Oct 13, 2026 Town Board - Work Session OLD

[Town Board - Work Session on October 13, 2026.]

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COME TO OUR GREENBERG TOWN BOARD WORK SESSION. UM, AS WE'VE DONE IN PREVIOUS YEARS, UH, THE TOWN BOARD AND I MEET WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEADS. UM, BEFORE, UM, THE BUDGET IS SUBMITTED ON OCTOBER 30TH. IT'S REQUIRED TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE TOWN BOARD BY MAY. BY OCTOBER 30TH. AND THEN THE TOWN BOARD HAS, UM, UNTIL DECEMBER 20TH. UH, TO, UM, APPROVE A BUDGET.

SO MY BUDGET'S ONLY PROPOSED BUDGET. THE BOARD THEN REVIEWS AND CAN MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS. UM, UH, YOU KNOW, DAY WON. SO TODAY WE'RE HEARING FROM DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT HEADS, AS WE DID LAST WEEK, WHERE THEY'RE GIVING US THEIR WISH LIST FOR THE 2020, SEVEN BUDGET. SO FIRST, UM, FRANK AND LIZ WILL DISCUSS ON THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, FOLLOWED BY THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. SURE. I MEAN, COMMISSIONER, COULD YOU MAKE IT A LITTLE BIGGER SO WE CAN READ IT? THAT'S NOT OURS. THAT'S OURS.

OH. THIS IS OUR.

OKAY.. TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. SO I'LL START WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. UM, BASICALLY, EVERYTHING HAS STAYED THE SAME. WE ARE MEETING OUR PROJECTIONS FOR THIS YEAR WITH REGARD TO THE NUMBER OF PERMITS THAT WE'VE BEEN TAKING. UH, REVENUE FEES. UM, THE PROFESSIONAL CONSULTING SERVICES LINE WE'VE BEEN USING FOR REGENERON LARGE SCALE PROJECTS, BRIGHT VIEW. UM, THE THE LARGER, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S GOING ON THROUGH THE TOWN. UM, WE DO ANTICIPATE REVENUE WISE FOR NEXT YEAR. WE DO HAVE SOME NEW INFRASTRUCTURE COMING IN. ELMWOOD IS SCHEDULED TO START FOR NEXT YEAR. AT LEAST THE THE ROADWAYS. UM, SO WE'RE ESTIMATING ABOUT 2.5 MILLION TO COME IN. UM, FOR NEXT YEAR FOR BUILDING PERMITS. ONLY 100. AGAIN.

I'M SORRY TO 2.5. ONE 150 FOR ELECTRICAL AND ABOUT 175 FOR PLUMBING PERMITS, WITH THE REMAINDER PERMITS. ABOUT 250.

AND WHAT WAS IT THIS YEAR? THIS YEAR? UM, WE HAVE TAKEN IN ABOUT TWO, MAYBE A TOTAL THAT UP. WE ARE AT CURRENTLY 1.7.

UM. BUT YOU SAID THAT YOU THOUGHT WE WERE GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE.

YEAH. SO WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF LARGER PERMITS THAT ARE COMING IN AT THE END OF THE YEAR. UM, I'M JUST WAITING FOR THOSE TO COME IN BEFORE I CHANGE THAT PROJECTION ANY FURTHER. UM, WITH REGARD TO INCREASING THE FEES THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT, WE HAVEN'T INCREASED FEE SINCE 2024. UM, I AM LOOKING AT MORE THE LEGALIZATION COMPONENT WHERE PEOPLE ARE DOING WORK WITHOUT PERMITS AND INCREASING THOSE, UM, MORE TO KIND OF DISSUADE PEOPLE FOR DOING WORK WITHOUT PERMITS. UM, IF THERE'S A HEFTY FEE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, IN ADDITION TO ANY FINES, THAT WOULD BE COLLECTED IN COURT.

UH, THE CONSULTING LINE, UM, IS GOING FROM ABOUT 252 TO 300. I SEE. , THAT'S THAT'S THE I'M SORRY, I APOLOGIZE. I COMBINED ALL OF THE TO MAKE IT EASIER. IF YOU GO TO THREE, UH, GO TO THE NEXT PAGE.

OKAY. TO GO TO WHICH.

GO TO, UM, LINE. BE 3620. IT STARTS OUT I HAVE IT ON THE, THE LEFT HAND SIDE. IT SAYS BUILDING.

OKAY. SEE. WE ARE CONTINUING WITH THE SCANNING PROJECT FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. WE ARE ABOUT 90% FULLY SCANNED OF ALL OF OUR RECORDS. UM, AND WE'RE CONTINUING DOING THAT AS THE PERMITS COME IN.

RIGHT. UM, YOU INDICATED THAT YOU FELT THAT THE SOME OF THE POSITIONS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN FILLED WEREN'T NEEDED. AND I'M WONDERING IF ANY OF THOSE POSITIONS ARE BEING ELIMINATED IN THE BUDGET. WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING ANY POSITIONS. WE'RE KEEPING VACANCIES UNTIL A NEED ARISES.

UM, THERE IS A SENIOR OFFICE, ASSISTANT OFFICE MANAGER POSITION THAT IS CURRENTLY VACANT. UM, THERE'S ALSO THE TWO ASSISTANT BUILDING INSPECTOR FULL TIME. WE DID

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OH YEAH. SORRY ABOUT THAT. NUMBERS WOULD BE HELPFUL. IT'S JUST HARD TO KEEP TRACK OF.

IN TERMS OF THE, UH, IS THERE LIKE ANY BACKLOG IN TERMS OF BUILDING PERMITS OR PEOPLE WHO WANT INSPECTIONS OR WHATEVER? BECAUSE I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY RECENT COMPLAINTS FROM PEOPLE.

NO, WE WE USUALLY RUN 24, 48 HOURS. UM, WHEN PEOPLE RESPECT AND REQUEST AN INSPECTION TO COMING OUT TO DO THE INSPECTION. SO THERE'S. I RECALL, UM, IN THE PAST WHEN WE HAD LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY COMING IN FROM REGENERON FOR WORK THAT IS GOING TO BE COMPLETED, THAT YOU HAD TO HAVE THAT SET ASIDE SO THAT YOU CAN THEN PAY OUT FROM THE FEES. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S INCORPORATED IN HERE AND HOW MUCH THAT WOULD BE. THAT THAT'S NOT.

MY CALLING PROPERTY. YOU ARE, YOU ARE. IT'S NOT INCORPORATED IN HERE. UM, KIMBERLY, I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S MONEY THAT'S PUT INTO. A IT'S THERE.

IS SOME MONEY RESTRICTED. BUT WE DID CHECK WITH OUR AUDITORS AND, UM, THEY ADVISED NOT TO RESTRICT ANY FUNDS FURTHER.

WELL, JUST THAT IT IT GIVES THE IMPRESSION THAT THERE IS MORE MONEY, IF I RECALL, AND THE FUND BALANCE THAT IS FUNGIBLE.

WHEREAS IF WE CAN IF THERE'S ANY WAY OF ISOLATING THE MONIES, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PAID OUT.

SO I TO THE ASSOCIATION OF TOWNS, THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE, AND PCO, O'CONNOR, DAVIES AND ALL ADVISED NOT TO RESTRICT THAT MONEY FOR BUILDING PERMITS. SO WE LEFT WHAT WAS IN THERE. IN THERE. OKAY.

OKAY. IS THERE ANY WAY OF NOTATING THAT? JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ON. SO WE COULD ADD A NOTE TO THE FINANCIALS AT YEAR END THAT WE ANTICIPATE SPENDING THIS PORTION OF FUND BALANCE FOR THOSE FEES.

THANK YOU. YES. SO I SEE THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES IS GOING DOWN FROM 1.2 MILLION TO 850,000.

YES, YES. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COST SAVINGS IN THE BUDGET? UM, WE DID REDUCE THE SERVICE CONTRACTS. UM, WE HAVE BEEN NEGOTIATING WITH MUNICIPAL. WE DID REDUCE SOME OF THE FEES THERE. UM, OTHER FEES THAT WERE REDUCED WERE THE MICROFILMS, THE SCANNING AS THAT IS RIGHT.

UM, GOING DOWN. UM, BOOKS. WE REDUCED A THOUSAND OTHER EQUIPMENT WAS REDUCED BY 53,000. UM, SO WE ARE REDUCING THE FEES, I BELIEVE, IN TOTAL. UM, IT'S APPROXIMATELY $500,000 WE CUT IN THIS COMING BUDGET. AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT TO DO WITH THE LARGE SCALE PROJECTS. THAT'S GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT LARGE INK, SOME LARGE INCREASES. RIGHT. UM, BUILDING MAINTENANCE. WEST. HELP. IS THAT OR IS THAT CONTINGENCY FUND? CONTINGENCY FUND? SORRY. MY LINE. OH, THAT'S IN DPW.

FOR DPW. RIGHT. I'M SORRY. BUILDING DEPARTMENT. OKAY.

AND I SAY THE EQUIPMENT, THE EQUIPMENT WENT FROM 83,000 LAST YEAR TO 30,000 THIS YEAR. YES.

BUT THE OVERTIME WENT FROM 3000 TO 25.

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I, WE COULD REDUCE IT. I KEEP IT AND WE'VE KEPT IT AT 25,000.

HISTORICALLY. BECAUSE AT TIMES WE DO NEED TO PAY OVERTIME. IF THERE'S LARGE SCALE EVENTS. UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, UM, REGENERON, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY HAVE IF WE'RE DOING INSPECTIONS IN AREAS THAT ARE OCCUPIED, THEY DO A LOT OF HIGH TESTING.

SO WE HAVE TO DO IT AT NIGHT WHEN THERE'S NOT THE SCIENTISTS AREN'T CONDUCTING. UM, TESTING. YEAH. YOU WOULD HAVE.

TO HAVE GONE UP TO 25,000. UH, IT WAS PROBABLY WHEN WE DID A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. UM, RIGHT WHEN THEY WERE.

DOING A LOT, SHOWING ONE YEAR DIFFERENCE. SO THAT'S NOT HISTORICAL. THAT'S ONLY ONE YEAR REFERENCE. SO IF WE HAVE SOME HISTORICAL SENSE, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

BECAUSE MAYBE YOU COULD SORT OF SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE AND SAY.

10,000 INSTEAD. OF, YEAH, I COULD LOOK, I COULD GIVE A HISTORY OF THAT. SURE. YEAH. TAKE A LOOK.

AND ALSO IF YOU NEED A YOU COULD ALWAYS GO INTO CONTINGENCY. OKAY.

I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE. ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SINCE THE LIBRARY IS ON OUR AGENDA ON HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT BOOKS ARE GOING FROM 3000 TO 2000.

YOU COULD TAKE. YOU COULD YOU COULD BORROW THE BOOKS. RIGHT? UH, UM, BUT, UM. YEAH. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? NOPE.

OKAY. NEXT. WE'LL GO NOW INTO PUBLIC WORKS.

OKAY. NOW, BY THE WAY, THE PICKLE, UH UH UH, BUSINESS ON, UH, CENTRAL AVENUE.

PICKLE. YEAH. GOT THEIR, UH, TEMPORARY CFO TODAY. GIVE IT TO.

THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY.

PERFECT. SO I'VE BEEN ASSISTING WITH RICH. FRANK. AND FORMERLY JASON, AND NOW TERRANCE. AND LOOKING AT THE FEE SCHEDULE IN ENGINEERING AND DPW, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED IN MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS. SO, UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND THE REVENUE LINES REFLECT A PROPOSED INCREASE IN FEES. UM, AND I WILL BE PRESENTING THAT TO THE BOARD. IT WILL REQUIRE A LOCAL LAW MODIFICATION BECAUSE THE FEES FOR ENGINEERING AND DPW LIE IN CHAPTER TWO. CHAPTER 230, WHICH WILL REQUIRE AN AMENDMENT. AND THEN I'M SUGGESTING THAT MOVING FORWARD, ALL OF THE FEES ARE DONE BY RESOLUTION WITH THE FEE SCHEDULE SIMILAR TO THAT WE DO IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, SO WE CAN UPDATE THEM MORE READILY WITHOUT HAVING A LOCAL LAW AMENDMENT. THAT'S GOOD.

SO DO YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN SOME OF THESE BIG INCREASES AND AND SOME OF THE NOT SO BIG INCREASES? SO, UM. WHERE WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE TO START THE CONSULTING FEES? WHY NOT? SO, UM, CONSULTING FEES, UH, IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ARE FOR THE OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS FOR THE LARGE SCALE PROJECTS.

SIMILAR THAT WE HAVE IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

ENGINEERING ALSO HAS TO INSPECT REGENERON. GREAT VIEW. THE LARGE, LARGER SCALE ONES. UM, SO THEY THEY, UM, NEED FUNDING FOR THAT. WE ARE ALSO ADDING, UM, CITY UM, TO ENGINEERING. SO THEY WILL BE ABLE TO USE A LINKED PROGRAM, LASER FUSION.

THE ICC IS ALSO BEING ADDED AND THEY ARE GOING TO START SCANNING THEIR RECORDS. SO WE. DON'T LOSE ANY OF THE IMPORTANT RECORDS THAT ENGINEERING MAINTAINS.

UM. AND IF A TOWN ENGINEER, UM, SO

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THAT. OH, SO THAT THOSE NUMBERS THAT ARE UNDERNEATH, I JUST BROKE THEM DOWN FOR CLARITY BECAUSE THE WAY THE BUDGET READS, IT ONLY GIVES A LUMP SUM BUDGET.

SO I JUST WANTED TO BREAK DOWN UNDERNEATH WHAT IT WAS, BUT I DIDN'T INCLUDE THE 2026 BUDGET LINES. UM, WHAT IT WAS IS THE THE 3% UNDER UNDER THAT NUMBER. OKAY.

YES. OKAY.

SO ENGINEERING. OKAY. AND WE HAVE A.

SO WHAT HAVE YOU ADDED? SO WHAT HAVE YOU ADDED TO THE BUDGET. WHAT HAVE YOU INCREASED.

THE. POSITIONS.

WENT FROM 396 TO 470 BECAUSE LAST YEAR WE GOT A BUNCH OF LAST MINUTE STORMS. YES. GOING OVER A LITTLE BIT THERE AND THE HAZARDOUS TREES ONE IS GOING FROM 202 TO 300 BECAUSE THE WIND CONDITIONS. OKAY.

WHERE ARE WE? NO, I'M READING THESE OFF THE.

OR. HE'S JUST HE'S JUST HIGHLIGHTING THE DRIVERS. YEAH.

FOR ENGINEERING. NOPE. THAT'S THE ONE I KNOW.

NICE. I'LL GIVE IT. I'LL GIVE YOU THE LINE NUMBER. MOVING FROM ENGINEERING.

SNOW AND ICE IS, UM, D 5142. IT'S UNDER HIGHWAY.

EFFORTS TOWARD FLOOD MITIGATION.

DRAINAGE. WHAT'D YOU SAY? NAME? FLOOD. NO. DRAINAGE IS WHAT IS GOING TO BE $30,000 OR HIGHER. IT'S GOING FROM 615 AND 30,000 ON DRAINAGE. IS THAT IS THAT GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT BASED ON YOUR ANALYSIS? NO, NOT.

BECAUSE WE HAVE CAPITAL. PROJECTS LOOKING FOR DRAINAGE.

YEAH. I SHOULD LOOK AT FOR THE STONES.

THESE. YOU'RE ON THE SIDE. YOU.

ANY OTHER, UM. THERE'S NO SOFTWARES.

OR ANYTHING TO HELP STREAMLINE. PROCESSES TO ENSURE.

THAT SIMPLICITY. THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. THE BUILDING.

DEPARTMENT. AND COMBINING IT INTO.

ENGINEERING CONVERSATION. YEAH. UH, THE WORK ORDER SYSTEM IS IN CAPITAL, THOUGH. IT'S ALL CAPITAL G.

OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE.

DOING BOTH LAST TIME WE DID BOTH. I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEAS.

I'M SURE YOU DID. I LIKE TO FIND.

FIVE. ONE. ONE TWO. EXCELLENT. THERE'S E AND. OKAY. ANY OTHER THINGS THAT YOU'VE SEEN? UM, COMMISSIONERS. SINCE IN THE ROLE THAT YOU THINK THAT YOU WANT TO ADJUST OR ANYTHING THAT YOU..

THOSE ARE THE BIG ONE. I'M SORRY. I'LL WAIT FOR THE COUNCIL. THERE'S NO NICE TO HAZARDOUS TREES. ANY DRAINAGE. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE THAT YOU NEED TO PUT YOUR MOST FOCUS ON TO.

SEE HOW THE TREES ARE BIG. ONE THAT'S RELATED TO THE DRAINAGE STUFF. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND YOU SEE THE IMPORTANCE OF IT BASED ON WHAT YOU. YES.

THAT'S THAT'S RIGHT. FROM 202 TO 300.

AND THAT'S GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT. IT'S JUST WHAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH FOR. THE LAST.

IF I WANTED TO PUT IT IN THE BUDGET LIKE A SNOW REMOVAL, UH, FOR SIDEWALK, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT I'VE SAID, YOU KNOW, I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT, UH, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH, LIKE, A SUGGESTED, UH, LIKE, LINE FOR THAT? LIKE I TALKED TO YOU BEFORE. I WORK ON THAT. AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO INCLUDE LIABILITY INSURANCE. YEAH, WELL, YEAH. WELL, YEAH.

YEAH. SO WE'RE DOING THAT. IS THAT GOING TO. WE MAY DO THAT. GOING TO INCREASE STAFFING.

YES. SO PRE STAFFING EQUIPMENT AND.

THE SO WHEN YOU GIVE WHEN YOU PROVIDE THE INFORMATION JUST MAKE SURE THEY INCREASE YOUR STAFFING AND AND ALL QUICK.

AND ALL. TOGETHER ALL LINE ITEMS. SO IT'S CLEAR AND HOW MUCH THAT INCREASES. AND THEN.

COORDINATE WITH INSURANCE. AND DO IT BEFORE.

YOU SUBMIT HIS BUDGET ON OCTOBER 30TH.

YEAH. PLEASE DON'T DO IT AFTERWARDS BECAUSE THEN IT'S US WHO ARE INFLATING THE BUDGET. YEAH.

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YOU KNOW, TEST IT OUT A LITTLE BIT.

I MEAN, HAVE WE IDENTIFIED WHAT.

WHAT TO WORK ON? WE'RE GOING TO.

YEAH. WE HAVEN'T. HAVE WE. IDENTIFIED THE.

AND WE'LL TRY TO DO. SUGGESTED A BUDGET WITH THAT.

NO I'M GOING TO SUGGEST. THAT HEAVILY.

TALK ABOUT THAT. YEP. RIGHT. BUT WE WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY WE. HAD A LIST.

RIGHT. WE DIDN'T. OKAY. ARE WE DOING MORE? WHAT IS THAT? ARE WE DOING. ORDER TO ENGINEER.

AND DOES THAT INCLUDE. YES. SNOW REMOVAL AND ICE REMOVAL OR DOES IT INCLUDE MAINTENANCE? WELL, WE'VE ALREADY WE ALREADY DO MAINTENANCE OF SIDEWALKS IN EDGEMONT. UM, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, I FEEL THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE.

IT'S THE ENTIRETY. WE'VE DONE, WE'VE DONE, WE'VE BUT WE'VE WE'VE WE'VE DONE WE'VE DONE MANY, UH, IN THE TOWN ALREADY. AND I WANT TO. PICK UP ON THAT.

THAT'S NOT MY MY QUESTION IS FOR, FOR DEVELOPING A BUDGET.

WE NEED CLARITY ON WHAT IT'S WHAT IS INCLUDED. SO IF IT'S IF IF THERE ARE SOME SIDEWALKS THAT WE MAINTAIN BUT NOT ALL, THEN WE HAVE TO BE CLEAR IF THAT THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET. UM, ALL OF THE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE IN THE HEAVILY TRAFFICKED STREETS, IF WE'RE USING THAT'S THE LIST WE'RE USING AS CRITERIA. RIGHT. SO THERE'S A LIST OF HEAVILY TRAFFICKED STREETS. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUDGET ON. AND WE ALL AGREE. THAT.

DOING. THAT. AND THEN I'M JUST MAKING SURE IT'S OUT THERE. AND THEN AND THEN WE'RE RANDOM. AND THEN AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO INCLUDE MAINTENANCE FOR ALL THOSE SIDEWALKS AS WELL AS, UM, SNOW REMOVAL AND. REMOVAL AND INSURANCE. IS THERE AN EQUIPMENT.? RIGHT. AND STAFF. THE WHOLE THING.

AND THAT THAT INCLUDES THAT LIABILITIES FOR CLAIMS? WELL, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. YEAH. INSURANCE LIABILITY.

WELL, YOU'D HAVE TO PAY MORE FOR INSURANCE TO COVER THOSE STREETS AS WELL. RIGHT.

RIGHT. THAT'S ANOTHER THING. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. ARE THERE ANY LIKE, POSITIONS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN FILED THAT WILL STAY VACANT IN THIS BUDGET? WHAT DO YOU SAY. AT THIS POINT? AT THIS POINT? NO, NO. OKAY. WHERE DO YOU PUT ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT IN THE CUBICLE AREAS. AND YOU CAN HAVE. YOU KNOW, AND CIVIL ENGINEER IN THE CORNER. OFFICE IS.

YES. THOSE ARE ALL IN. YEAH, THEY'RE ALL CUBICLES UP THERE. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS ALL BUILT WHEN RICH WAS HERE.

CAN WE JUST. OH, OH. THAT'S WHY I DON'T HAVE IT. I CAN'T BELIEVE THERE'S A.

THEIRS WAS BIGGER THAN. I OPENED IT. I HAVE A COPY OF THAT. IT'S 1496. SO IF ANYTHING.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE? I, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. SO I JUST, I JUST. YES, IT IS. AND I.

DO FIND THE ORGANIZATION. OF IT A LITTLE BIT HARD TO..

YEAH. WE'LL SEND OUT THE ONES WITH THE PAGES MARKED OUT FOR YOU. YEAH, BUT I JUST I'M AND ALSO.

PUT THE GRID IN. THAT MIGHT BE EASIER.

TO FOLLOW. YES. GRID LINES. GRID LINE? YES. BUT THESE SALARIES ARE WRONG. BUT ALSO.

WHAT HAPPENS? OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? YES. OH.

SURE. GET OUT WHILE WE'RE GETTING GOOD.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO, MR. LEDERER, BEFORE, I JUST WANTED TO, UM. HOW LONG DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO NEED? I KNOW WE ALSO HAVE A LIBRARY.

YEAH. WELL, YEAH, WE'LL JUST DO THIS.

CAN I. CAN I SAY THERE'S A THERE'S A REASON WHICH I WILL NOT GO INTO THAT CHRISTINA IS NOT HERE. SO IF WE CAN RESPECT THIS, JUST UNDERSTAND THAT. AND AND I THINK SHE'S IN THE WAITING ROOM NOW, IS SHE? NO, SHE SHE SHE HAD. TO GO. SHE HAD TO GO.

YES. OKAY.

SO DO YOU HAVE THE. DO YOU WANT TO RESCHEDULE LIBRARY. DO YOU WANT TO DO. NO. DO WE NEED TO RESCHEDULE? WE DON'T NEED TO RESCHEDULE. SHE WAS TRYING TO BE PART OF

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CAN WE JUST CLARIFY? YEAH, WE WE HAVE THE BUDGET. WE CAN CERTAINLY ANSWER WHATEVER, WHATEVER QUESTIONS WE CAN.

ARE YOU OKAY TO WAIT FOR A FEW MINUTES? YEAH. WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER ALL. OKAY. OKAY, GOOD. HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED? IS THIS GOING TO BE LONG? WHAT'S THAT? WHAT'S LONG? WHAT'S NOT TOO LONG? IT'S UNDER TWO HOURS.

DEFINITELY. RIGHT? YEAH.

NO, NO, THIS IS GOING TO BE FUN. IT'S GOING TO BE.

FREE. BUT. SHOULD BE. SHOULD BE FIVE MINUTES. OKAY. FIVE MINUTES. OKAY. THAT WORKS. WE JUST HAVE. AND AGAIN WE WANT TO HEAR FROM. WE JUST HAVE A HEAVY SCHEDULE. TONIGHT AS WE CAN COME.

COME COME ON, COME ON. FIVE MINUTES.

TABLE. PRESS BOTH OF THEM TO TURN THE MICS ON, PLEASE. YES. PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELVES.

MIKES ARE OFF STILL. YOU NEED TO PRESS THE BUTTON ON THE SIDE TO TURN THEM GREEN. UP. UP TOP. HEY, JIM. HOW'S IT GOING? PRESS THE BUTTON. THERE YOU GO. THAT ONE'S.

ON. GOOD. IT'S ON.

IT'S ON. IT'S OKAY. GREAT.

THANK YOU. ERIC LEDERER.

LIVE AT. WELL, YES. I MEAN, I INTRODUCE MYSELF, SO I'M GOING TO I'M ERIC LEDERER. I LIVE AT 16 CALVIN COURT. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A BIT REDUNDANT, BUT I'M GOING TO START IT. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ERIC LEDERER. I LIVE AT 16 CALVIN COURT, WHERE I RESIDED FOR THE LAST 18 YEARS. UH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, CALVIN COURT WAS BUILT WITHOUT A PROPER MUNICIPAL STORM DRAIN SYSTEM IN THE 1950S. MY PROPERTY IS NEAR THE BOTTOM OF THE STREET AND HAS BECOME THE COLLECTION POINT FOR ROADWAY RUNOFF. THE TOWN RECOGNIZED THIS PROBLEM AND ADDRESSED IT AROUND 2012 BY INSTALLING A DRAIN PARALLEL TO MY DRIVEWAY TO DIVERT MUNICIPAL RUNOFF FROM THE PUBLIC ROADWAY. FOR MORE THAN A DECADE. THAT ARRANGEMENT GENERALLY WORKED. IT WAS NOT IDEAL, BUT IT WAS MANAGEABLE. OVER THE YEARS. I PERIODICALLY REQUESTED A TRADITIONAL STREET DRAIN. DPW AND ENGINEERING REPRESENTATIVES ACKNOWLEDGED THAT A STORM DRAIN WITH THE PROPER OUTLET WOULD BE THE PREFERRED SOLUTION. EASEMENT AND STATE APPROVAL WERE DISCUSSED, BUT THE SOLUTION NEVER MOVED FORWARD.

INSTEAD, THE TOWN INSTALLED THE DRAIN AND HUMP NEAR THE NORTHWEST INTERSECTION OF CALVIN COURT AND PINE RIDGE, NEAR MY PROPERTY, AND REMOVED THE ABSORBENT GRASS AND CONSTRUCTED A CATCHMENT OF APPROXIMATELY 30FT LONG AND NINE FEET WIDE, ALONG WITH AN ADDITIONAL RAISED HUMP INTENDED TO DIVERT AND SLOW WATER ENTERING THE DRAINS. I COOPERATED IN GOOD FAITH AFTER THE WORK, HOWEVER, I OBSERVED A SUBSTANTIALLY GREATER VOLUME OF WATER MOVING AT INCREASED VELOCITY DRAINS THAT HAVE MANAGED THE RUNOFF FOR YEARS BEGAN TO BECOME OVERWHELMED WITH REGULARITY. THE ATTEMPTED REMEDY APPEARS TO HAVE MADE A BAD SITUATION MUCH WORSE. UM.

SOME OF YOU HAVE RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM AMANDA MANGANO, AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU, HOPEFULLY YOU'VE READ IT. I DISAGREE WITH HER EXPLANATION THAT THERE IS. I'M SORRY. YES, SIR. I DISAGREE WITH HER EXPLANATION THAT THIS IS SIMPLY NATURALLY OCCURRING WATER REACHING A LOW LYING PROPERTY.

MY CONCERN IN THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF MY BEING HERE IS WHAT THE TOWN'S CONSTRUCTION CHANGED. LET ME REPEAT THAT.

BECAUSE ESSENTIAL TO THIS MATTER, MY CONCERN IS WHAT THE TOWN'S CONSTRUCTION CHANGED. THOSE CHANGES RAISE A SERIOUS QUESTION OF TOWN LIABILITY. MY COOPERATION WAS NOT IN AN AGREEMENT TO ACCEPT THE WORSENED CONDITION OR TO RELIEVE THE TOWN OF RESPONSIBILITY. I WANT TO BRING THE BOARD'S ATTENTION TO CHAPTER 248 OF GREENBERG'S OWN TOWN CODE, ENTITLED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, AND EXPLAINS HOW ITS PROVISIONS RELATE TO THE SITUATION. SECTION 2482 RECOGNIZES THAT THE DEVELOPMENT AND INCREASED IMPERVIOUS SURFACES CAN INCREASE RUNOFF RATES AND VOLUMES. SECTION 248.

TOUHY RECOGNIZES THAT IMPROPER DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF STORMWATER CONTROLS CAN INCREASE WATER VELOCITY. 248 TO BE RECOGNIZED AS IMPROPERLY MANAGED RUNOFF CAN INCREASE FLOODING AND ENDANGER PROPERTY AND LIFE. THOSE ARE THE VERY CONCERNS THAT I'M DESCRIBING. THE REMOVAL OF ABSORBING GRASS, CHANGES TO ROADWAY DRAINAGE, INCREASED RUNOFF VOLUME AND VELOCITY, AND OVERWHELMING OVERWHELM DRAINS. SECTION 2483 C, F, AND G ESTABLISH OBJECTIVES OF MINIMIZING INCREASED RUNOFF, REDUCING RUNOFF VOLUME, AND MAINTAINING EFFECTIVE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PRACTICES. HOW DID THE TOWN'S WORK FULFILL THOSE OBJECTIVES? WHEN THE RESULTING CONDITIONS ARE SUBSTANTIALLY WORSE? BEYOND THOSE FINDINGS AND OBJECTIVES.

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I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO PLEASE ALLOW HIM A FEW MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE TECHNICAL ISSUES, INCLUDING CHANGES IN DRAINAGE PATTERNS, RUNOFF VOLUME AND VELOCITY ACTING IN THE CAPACITY OF OPPRESSION. PROFESSIONAL CONSULTANT. THERE IS ALSO PHYSICAL DAMAGE TO MY PROPERTY. ENGINEERS, MASONRY SPECIALISTS AND DRIVEWAY PROFESSIONALS WHO EXAMINE THE CRACKED AND CRUMBLING CONCRETE CONFIRM THAT IN THEIR PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT, THE DETERIORATION WAS CAUSED BY PROLONGED EXCESSIVE EXPOSURE TO ROADWAY RUNOFF, SALTS, AND PLOWING, ALL INVOLVING THE TOWN'S DRAINAGE AND WINTER MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS. THOSE OPERATIONS CONTINUED ON PAVEMENT THAT THE TOWN HAD DECLARED PRIVATE, AND SAID IT WOULDN'T MAINTAIN. THOSE SAME PROFESSIONALS RAISED THE CONCERN OF NEGLIGENCE REGARDING THE ORIGINAL CONCRETE MIX, SAYING IT WASN'T PROPERLY SPECIFIED OR MIXED TO WITHSTAND ROAD SALT AND FREEZE THAW TEMPERATURES. THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL POTENTIAL CONTRIBUTING FACTOR. THE TOWN ACKNOWLEDGED THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT'S ROLE IN A DAMAGING THE TRENCH DRAIN. ON APRIL 28TH, 2026, ASSISTANT CIVIL ENGINEER VINNY FEDERICI INSTRUCTED ME VIA EMAIL FOLLOWING THE GUIDANCE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO FILE A NOTICE OF CLAIM FOR DAMAGE DONE BY OUR HIGHWAY CREW. HE THEN WROTE WE WILL SCHEDULE THE REPAIR THAT INSTRUCTION AND ASSURANCE WERE THE SOLE REASONS I FILED A NOTICE OF CLAIM AGAINST THE TOWN. YET THE REPAIR REMAINS UNRESOLVED AND THE MATTER WAS SUBSEQUENTLY DIRECTED TO MORANO BROTHERS AND ITS INSURER. WHY IS THE TOWN'S WRITTEN ASSURANCE NOT BEEN HONORED? SOMEONE HERE AMONGST YOU. PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME.

WHY ARE MY EMAILS DISMISSED AND NOT ANSWERED? THERE'S ALSO A TROUBLING ISSUE WITH THE INITIAL FOIL PRODUCTION.

VINNIE'S APRIL 28TH EMAIL AND OTHER RELEVANT COMMUNICATIONS WERE EXCLUDED. EMAILS I KNEW EXISTED BECAUSE I WAS EITHER THE SENDER OR THE RECIPIENT. THOSE OMISSIONS ARE PARTICULARLY SIGNIFICANT WITH THE TOWN'S CURRENT POSITION.

WHY WERE THOSE COMMUNICATIONS LEFT OUT? I'LL LEAVE THAT FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER, BUT IT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK. ONE LAST POINT. MARINO'S INSURER HAS OFFERED ME A MONETARY SETTLEMENT IN EXCHANGE FOR A RELEASE THAT PROTECTS THE TOWN AND INCLUDES ANY AND ALL UNKNOWN AND FUTURE CLAIMS CONNECTED TO THE IDENTIFIED INCIDENT. THE OFFER DOES NOT CORRECT THE ONGOING DRAINAGE PROBLEM OR PROVIDE THE NECESSARY REPAIRS. THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM IN PHYSICAL DAMAGE ARE SEPARATE BUT YET INTERTWINED, WHICH IS WHY I BROUGHT THEM BOTH UP TONIGHT. REPAIRING THE CONCRETE WITHOUT CORRECTING THE RUNOFF WITH EITHER CONDITIONS CAUSING THE DAMAGE IN PLACE.

I'M NOT SEEKING A CASH PAYOUT. I'M ASKING FOR THE DRAINAGE TO BE CORRECTED AND THE DAMAGE AREA IS PROPERLY PREPARED. IF YOU COULD PLEASE ALLOW MR. MEEHAN TO ADDRESS THE TECHNICAL ISSUES AND WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. I WILL PASS ALONG THE EMAIL THAT I WAS REFERRING TO WITH MR. FEDERICI.

WITH MR. FEDERICI. I'LL START WITH YOU. THANK YOU.

DO YOU HAVE. JUST THE ONE COPY? YEAH, I JUST HAD TO PASS IT AROUND.

SO YOU'RE SAYING. THAT THE WORK THAT THE TOWN DID MADE IT WORSE? SHOULD WE RESTORE THE ORIGINAL SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE NINE FOOT BUMP OUT? WE PUT BACK THE GRASS AND LEAVE IT ALONE. I WILL DEFER TO THE ENGINEER.

I'M SORRY, MR. MAN. DO YOU HAVE DRAWINGS? PICTURES? SOME THINGS THAT IT'S HARD FOR US TO PROCESS.

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US. I LIKE TO FIRST BRING UP THE CONCEPT THERE BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GET TO TALK ABOUT A SOLUTION. WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE ACTUAL PROBLEM IS. UH, GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. SOME OF YOU KNOW ME. FOR THOSE OF YOU DON'T, I'M. MY NAME IS JIM MEEHAN, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER. UH, FROM 2015 TO 2023, I WORKED FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBERG. THE POSITION OF SENIOR CIVIL ENGINEER. SO, UH, MR. LEDERER HAS RECENTLY CAME TO ME, ASKED ME TO ANALYZE THE SITUATION THAT'S BEEN DONE UP THERE AS A AS HE HAS STATED, UH, THE SPECIFIC DAMAGE TO HIS PROPERTY, I WILL DEFER TO HIM SINCE HE KNOWS THAT BETTER THAN I WOULD. BUT, UH, I SAW MY ANALYSIS INVOLVED WITH A FEW THINGS OVER HERE. I WENT OUT AND TOOK A VISUAL LOOK AT WHAT WAS ACTUALLY PLACED IN THERE. THERE SEEMS TO BE A CATCHMENT AREA. THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT THAT DREW MY ATTENTION. ONE OF THE SEEMS TO BE A TURNAROUND AREA, WHICH I WAS. I WAS TOLD BY MR. LETTER THAT IT WAS MEANT TO BE FOR YOUR SNOWPLOWS TO BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND INSIDE AND. BE ABLE TO PLOW THE ROAD ITSELF. I ALSO NOTICED A, UH, HIGHWAY SPEED BUMP WAS PLACED AT THE BOTTOM OF THE DEAD END STREET. I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MOMENT, BUT THE. CATCHMENT AREA, THE TURNAROUND AREA THAT WAS INSTALLED, UH, DOES NOT SEEM TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT DRAINAGE CAPACITY TO THIS. IT DOES APPEAR THAT I WILL PASS THAT AROUND. IF YOU LIKE. THE TOP IS OBVIOUSLY THE BEFORE AND AFTER PICTURE. SO BASICALLY GRASS AREA WAS TAKEN OUT. AND WHAT LOOKS TO BE CONCRETE WAS PLACED IN THERE WITH SOME TYPE OF HOLES, WHICH I ASSUME WERE ATTEMPTED TO BE SOME TYPE OF RETENTION SYSTEM, BUT IT'S A POORLY DESIGNED ONE. I'LL TELL YOU ABOUT THAT. I WANT TO FIRST ALSO, AS I WAS NOT THERE PRIOR TO THIS, I COULD ONLY ANALYZE THINGS, UM, BASED ON WHAT GOOGLE STREET MAPS SHOWS, AND I COULD NOT GET RATES OF FLOW, BUT IT DEFINITELY IS APPARENT THAT THIS AREA IS INCREASING, NOT JUST THE AMOUNT OF WATER FLOWING TO THE SYSTEM INTO OUR PROPERTY, BUT ALSO THE RATE AT WHICH IT DOES.

THIS AREA. THIS AREA, THIS. RIGHT, RIGHT BY WHERE THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED. YES, EXACTLY. ABOUT THE CATCHMENT AREA AND THE SPEED BUMP THAT WAS PLACED DOWN AT THE BOTTOM THERE. AND I'LL GET TO THAT MOMENTARILY. I WANT TO FIRST DRAW. YOUR TAKE THIS OUT.

WELL. WHY DON'T YOU, UH, I'LL MAKE A SUGGESTION ONE SECOND, BUT, UH, I CAN'T TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT THE WHAT THE POLICY OF THE TOWN IS GOING TO BE IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY WANT TO CONSTRUCT. IT WAS POORLY DESIGNED, AND IT NEEDS TO BE DONE BETTER. BUT I'M SORRY. WHEN DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT WAS COMPLETED? TIMING.

IN THE. PAST, THERE WAS 25, 26. IT'S BEEN. IT'S RECENT.

THIS WAS AUTHORIZED BY COMMISSIONER RICH VAUGHN AT THE TIME. YES.

OKAY. SO, UM, I WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THE CHAPTER. 248 AS ERIC HAS, UH, FIRST OF ALL, THE TITLE THE TOWN SEEKS TO ACHIEVE FOR MOST SINGLE FAMILY AND TWO FAMILY RESIDENCES, THE MANAGEMENT OF STORMWATER RUNOFF BY INSTALLATION OF ONE OR MORE COMBINATION OF THE FOLLOWING DRY WELLS, RECHARGE SYSTEMS, DETENTION SYSTEMS, CATCH BASINS, DRIVEWAY AND OR CURTAIN DRAINS, OR PIPING TO NEARBY EXISTING MUNICIPAL STORM DRAIN SYSTEMS. NONE OF THESE WERE IMPLEMENTED IN THIS SYSTEM. HERE YOU BASICALLY INCREASED YOUR IMPERVIOUS AREA, INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF STORMWATER FLOW THAT GOES IN THE ACTUAL VOLUME AND DID NOT ACCOUNT FOR DRAINAGE IN THERE. I MEAN IT, I'M GUESSING AT THIS, BUT IT APPEARS THAT THOSE HOLES ARE PLACED IN THE CONCRETE WHERE HAD THE INTENTIONS OF DRAINING, BUT THEY DON'T WORK. AND I'LL TELL YOU EXACTLY WHY. STORMWATER ITSELF. FIRST OF ALL, I'M SORRY BEFORE I TELL YOU THAT I DO HAVE TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO ONE THING. IF YOU ALSO REFER TO WE KNEW WE KNEW THIS IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WHEN I WAS WORKING IN THERE. IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE CONSIDERED ALL ASPECTS OF DESIGN. THE DEFINITION, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, THE SUM OF ALL HORIZONTAL AREA OF COVERAGE, OF FOOTPRINT OF ALL BUILDINGS, STRUCTURES, PAVED AREAS, PATIOS AND OTHER IMPROVED SURFACES ON A LOT, PREVENTING PREVENTING NATURAL RUNOFF TO PERCOLATE INTO THE SOIL MEASURED IN SQUARE FEET.

AREAS. PAVED AREAS PAVED WITH GRAVEL, CRUSHED STONE, AND OTHER MATERIALS USED TO SUPPORT VEHICLES SHALL BE CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS SURFACES. FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS CHAPTER. SO BASICALLY, YOUR OWN DEFINITION SAYS THAT THIS POSSIBLE THIS LITTLE EXTENSION AREA IS NOT PERMEABLE. IT'S IMPERVIOUS. IT IS COLLECTING RAINWATER. NOW, THE WAY IT IS PITCHED, I MANAGED TO MEASURE THE ANGLE OF REPOSE ON ALL THOSE AREAS. IT PITCHES THAT A IT VARIES, BUT PITCHES OUT OF 1% TO THREE AND A HALF IN A DIAGONAL, PITCHES UP TO 4%. THAT SENDS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RUNOFF. ANYTHING COLLECTED IN THERE GETS DOWN INTO THE BOTTOM OF THAT CORNER WHERE IT GOES, JUST

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BUT THERE ARE OTHER EXAMPLES OF IT. I'M FAMILIAR WITH WHERE I LIVE, SO I'M JUST SAYING. WHERE IS THE PUMP? I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT. IS THAT ON. THE PUMP? I'M SORRY, WHAT IS THAT ON A PRIVATE PROPERTY? IS THAT DEPICTION? DO YOU HAVE A PLAN TO SHOW YOU.

A SPEED, A SPEED BUMP? WHERE IS WHERE? IT'S RIGHT ONTO THERE. SO IT'S PLACED DOWN AT THE.

BOTTOM WHERE. THE BOTTOM OF THE DRIVEWAY.

IT'S PLACED? NO, IT'S PLACED AT THE BOTTOM OF THE ROAD JUST BEFORE HIS DRIVEWAY. IT'S A PLAN OF THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. I DON'T HAVE IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWING OVER HERE, I DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT PER SE, BECAUSE. THERE'S NO SPEED BUMP IN THIS.

CAN I SEE THAT? BECAUSE HE HAS AN UNUSUAL PROPERTY IN THAT THE ROADWAY IN FRONT OF HIS PROPERTY IS STILL HIS PROPERTY. IT'S NOT THE TOWN'S PROPERTY. RIGHT.

YOU'RE AWARE THIS THIS THIS IS. YES. THIS IS ON THE TOWN. RIGHT OF WAY. RIGHT OVER THERE. THAT'S THE BEGINNING OF THAT SPEED BUMP. WHICH IS. AND IS THIS THIS HOUSE? NO, NO, IT'S HOUSES DOWN THERE ON THE OTHER END. THERE. SO. YOU'RE READING CURRENT REGULATIONS THAT WEREN'T IN PLACE WHEN HIS HOUSE WENT IN, RIGHT. OF COURSE THEY HAVE THE THESE ARE THIS IS CHAPTER 248. THIS HAS BEEN IN, UH, YEAH, YEAH. NO NO NO NO. THAT'S THAT THAT'S PEOPLE WAS JUST RECENTLY PUT IN THERE. YES. THAT'S WHAT SEEMS LIKE WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING ACCORDING TO. HAVE YOU READ THE MCGUINNESS EMAIL. I'VE BEEN MADE AWARE OF THAT.

YES. SO WE TRIED TO MITIGATE A PROBLEM. BUT IF IT'S NOT WORKING, WE COULD RESTORE IT TO THE WAY IT WAS. WELL, AGAIN, IT'S YOU'RE FREE TO THE ACTUAL IDEA OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU YOU'RE OBLIGED TO TRY TO RESOLVE STORMWATER ISSUES. ONE THING, BUT YOU TO ERIC'S POINT, YOU'VE TAKEN A BAD SITUATION AND YOU MADE IT WORSE. SO YOU COULD SIMPLY REMOVE EVERYTHING THERE, REMOVE THAT. I WOULD CERTAINLY RECOMMEND DOING SOMETHING TO THAT AND CERTAINLY TRY TO RECOVER ANY OF THE DAMAGES THAT WAS DONE TO HIS HOUSE BECAUSE OF THIS. BUT THAT SPEED BUMPED DOWN AT THE BOTTOM BECAUSE YOU HAVE BROUGHT A SMALL AREA DOWN RIGHT AT THE CORNER THERE. AND THIS IS THE POINT I WANTED TO MAKE, IS THAT YOU HAVE INCREASED THE FLOW RATE GOING INTO HIS DRIVEWAY AND TO HIS PROPERTY. PICTURE YOURSELF.

RECALL YOU EVER SEE, UH, YOU HAVE A WATER HOSE, YOU HOLD YOUR THUMB ON THE SIDE OF IT, IT SHOOTS THE WATER FASTER.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE DONE WITH THIS. SO YOU'VE INCREASED THE AMOUNT OF WATER BY PUTTING IN THIS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE WHERE TRUCKS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND WITHOUT A PROPER DRAINAGE SYSTEM. THEY THEN. UP ON THE VIDEO.

AND THEN WHAT YOU DID WAS BUT THIS, THIS SPEED BUMP, THOSE PLACED AT THE BOTTOM CHANNELS THAT AND MAKES IT GO FASTER, SHOOTS IT DOWN INTO THERE. SO THE EXACT DAMAGE, ERIC WILL GIVE YOU MORE EXPLANATION ON. SO FOR FOR THIS TO BE UNDONE.

YES. THE ENTIRE SYSTEM, THE SPEED BUMP WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED. AND THAT TURNAROUND AREA ITSELF.

HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK THE REPAIRS WERE? HOW MUCH? YEAH.

HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK? UH. YOU KNOW, DOING THE WORK THAT YOU ARE ASKING WOULD COST THE TOWN? I DON'T I WILL NOT SPECULATE ON THAT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT WAS FOR THIS THERE. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU IS YOU WANT TO REPLACE IT WITH. AND HAVE YOU TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME MEGA STORMS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE, WHICH OF COURSE IS CAUSING FLOODING ISSUES.

ALTHOUGH I DEFINITELY THINK THERE'S MY PROFESSION TO TAKE THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION. BUT THAT. BUT I GUESS AS I STATED, IT'S ONE THING TO SAY THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO TRY TO RESOLVE A STORMWATER SITUATION WHICH CAN BE APPROACHED, BY THE WAY, BUT IT'S SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY THAT, OKAY, I'M GOING TO BUILD THIS AND MAKE A SITUATION WORSE WITHOUT ANY REPERCUSSION. I'M NOT I'M NOT ARGUING ANY OF IT. I'M JUST ASKING. AND AND CERTAINLY.

AS A CIVIL ENGINEER, I'VE ALWAYS CONSIDERED THE ATTENTION OF STORMS. NOAH HAS TALKED ABOUT INCREASE IN STORM DAMAGES IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, WHICH IS ALL THE MORE REASON THAT YOU NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT ANYTHING, THAT YOU PUT DOWN, ANY INFRASTRUCTURE YOU PUT IN THE TOWN RIGHT AWAY. YOU NEED TO HAVE A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER ACTUALLY EXAMINE, SEE, WILL THIS CAUSE ANY PROBLEM? WILL THIS HAVE REPERCUSSIONS? THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED BEFORE ANYTHING THAT'S. WELL. CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? RESPECTFULLY. UM. WELL, WHY DON'T YOU FINISH UP YOUR PRESENTATION? WE ARE RUNNING NOW VERY LATE, AND WE WILL REVIEW BOTH THE LEGAL TEAM AND THE ENGINEERING TEAM TO PROPERLY RESPOND TO ALL THE CLAIMS MADE TONIGHT. COULD I JUST SAY ONE MORE THING, MR. LUTTER, IF YOU COULD FOLLOW UP IN A REPLY TO AMANDA MCGUINNESS AUGUST 12TH, EMAIL, WHAT YOUR STATEMENT YOU MADE TONIGHT, I THINK YOU SKIPPED A FEW SECTIONS FOR TIME PURPOSES. YOU SAID IF YOU COULD JUST INCLUDE THAT INFORMATION IN THERE AS WELL, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

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WELL. BUT I WILL DEFINITELY SEND A RESPONSE. I'LL HAVE IT FOR TOMORROW.

THANK YOU. SO, JIM, WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THE ONLY WAY TO SOLVE FLOODING ON THIS LETTER IS PROPERTY IS FOR HIM TO CHANNEL THE WATER PAST HIS PROPERTY, TO THE PROPERTY BEHIND IT, TO A STATE ROAD.

NO, NO, THAT'S NOT THE ONLY WAY. THERE ARE A FEW.

DO YOU HAVE PLANS THAT SHOW HOW IT WOULD BE DONE SO THAT HE.

CAN DO IT? WELL, I WAS NOT RETAINED. BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DESIGNING A STORM SYSTEM TO TAKE THE TOWN'S WATER OUT TO THERE SOMEPLACE ELSE. SO THAT WOULD THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I, AS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, CAN DO.

I HAVE NOT BEEN RETAINED BY THE TOWN, AS YOU KNOW, TO DO SUCH A THING, I WILL I WILL SAY THAT I MIGHT I COULD ONLY ADVISE ON THIS PART. BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO KEEP THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE FOR WHATEVER REASON, IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THAT TURNAROUND THERE, YOU EVALUATE THE SITUATION, YOU RETAIN THE SERVICES OF A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER WHO WILL EVALUATE THE ONE. HE COULD LOOK INTO THE CONCEPT OF TYING INTO THE NORWOOD ROAD, WHICH I KNOW IS CHALLENGING AT TIMES. I'M NOT THERE, BUT IT CERTAINLY IS TRUE. WORTH A SHOT. BUT THE NEXT STEP AFTER THAT, IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, IS TO LOOK INTO RETAINING SYSTEMS WHERE ENGINEERS MOST. A GOOD ENGINEER WILL MOST LIKELY TAKE BORING SAMPLES TO SEE GROUNDWATER LEVELS AND.

APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, AS AS. I'M STILL ASKING, ANSWERING THIS QUESTION. HOW MANY CONTACTS DOES HE HAVE ON HIS PROPERTY? YOU SAID RETAINING WATER.

RETAINING WATER? YES. HIS HIS PROPERTY WAS BUILT BEFORE ANY OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS WERE IN PLACE.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT REQUIREMENTS. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE THE. AUTHORITY BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO THIS ACCORDING.

TO YOU ARE BECAUSE YOU INCREASED YOUR IMPERVIOUS AREA AND YOU'RE SENDING WATER IF YOU IF YOU HAD YOU ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY, YOU'D HAVE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. YOU SET IT ON YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE WITH THIS SYSTEM THAT YOU PUT IN.

WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED. AND MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST TAKE THIS ALL OUT AND THEN RELY ON THE LEGAL ANALYSIS THAT OUR FIRST DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY DID, WHICH SAYS WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT WATER. WE TRIED TO DO SOMETHING, BUT APPARENTLY IT'S NOT WORKING. SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING ELSE. I CAN'T TELL YOU WHETHER OR NOT YOU SHOULD TRY TO, UH, REHABILITATE THE STORMWATER SYSTEM DOWN THE AREA, BUT I CERTAINLY WOULD. I CERTAINLY THINK WOULD EITHER BE A GOOD IDEA TO EITHER REMOVE THAT SYSTEM, REMOVE THE STRUCTURES THAT YOU PLACED IN THERE WITHOUT CONSIDERING DRAINAGE, OR TRY TO REMEDIATE. SO SO IT CAN BE ACCOUNTED FOR. THAT SYSTEM CAN BE ACCOUNTED TO ALLEVIATE SOME DRAINAGE. THERE ARE OTHER METHODS.

WELL, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, SINCE YOU HAVEN'T DONE THE THE WORK AT THIS POINT AND YOU KNOW, MUCH APPRECIATED. BUT WE YOU WERE NOT ON THE AGENDA. WE'VE GONE FROM 5 MINUTES TO 20 MINUTES AND WE, WE WE AND AS I SAID, WITH WITH RESPECT, WITH RESPECT, WE UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE AN ISSUE AND WE WILL CERTAINLY LOOK AT IT FURTHER. UM, NOW THAT THAT YOU'VE PRESENTED. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

COULD WE GIVE YOU LIKE AN ESTIMATED TIMETABLE. JOE, WHEN WE COULD GET BACK. SO THIS WAY, YOU KNOW, WE COULD. YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING. ABOUT 2 OR 3 WEEKS.

SO SHOULD WE SAY. SHOULDN'T WE HAVE A LEGAL ANALYSIS TO ABANDON US? I MEAN, I KNOW YOU DISAGREE WITH IT, BUT UNLESS YOU'RE A, UH. SHE WROTE UP BASICALLY A LEGAL JUSTIFICATION FOR US NOT HAVING TO FIX YOUR PROBLEM ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO DON'T SAY ANYTHING.

TRUST ME ON THAT. BUT I WILL TAKE MY PAPERWORK BACK THAT I GAVE YOU GUYS WITH. GREAT. I WILL TAKE BACK THE.

THERE'S ONLY ONE COPY THAT WAS PASSED ON.

THE ONE COPY. OKAY. SO.

SO COULD WE PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA? SAY, GET A COPY? CAN WE PUT THIS ON AGENDA, LIKE THREE WEEKS FROM TODAY? JUST SO.

WELL, IT'S NOT AN AGENDA ITEM NECESSARILY.

I THINK WE COULD SEND THE RESPONSE WITHIN 2 TO 3 WEEKS.

THREE EMAIL. RIGHT.

YOU'RE STILL PLAYING THE BAGPIPES? I AM. THANK YOU. JIM WOULD GO OUT IN THE CAFETERIA OUTSIDE THE DOOR AND PLAY THE BAGPIPES, AND EVERYONE IN THE BUILDING. YOU'RE.

NOT EVERYONE. I JUST WANT TO GET TOGETHER.

THAT'S IMPRESSIVE. ANYONE CAN PLAY BAGPIPES.

IT DEPENDS ON HOW WELL YOU HEAR US..

WE'D THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR. THANK YOU.

OKAY. NEXT. NEXT IS THE LIBRARY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. YES. YOU SHARED IT. AND PLEASE SEND APOLOGIES TO CHRISTINA. THANK YOU. I'LL SEND MYSELF. IS THE ONLY ONE. NO. THERE'S NO WAY. CAN YOU PASS THE COPIES? YEAH. SO IT'S ACTUALLY LESS THAN LAST YEAR. IT IS. IT'S LESS THAN LAST

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BOARD DOESN'T HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM THE BOARD TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. YOU WOULD INTRODUCE YOURSELVES.

LET'S START WITH INTRODUCTION. IF YOU COULD PULL THAT MIC CLOSER. SORRY. AND THIS ONE NEEDS TO BE TURNED ON. IT'S READ RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. UM. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ALISON SHERWIN. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES FOR THE GREENBURG PUBLIC LIBRARY.

AND I'M ELIANA WEISSMANN, MEMBER OF THE BOARD.

SO THE QUESTION I HAVE. SO DO WE LOSE AN DO WE LOSE AN EMPLOYEE? I SEE THAT THE SALARIES WENT DOWN. AND THEN I NOTICED THE SALARIES WENT DOWN. IN ADDITION, THE, UM, THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE THAT WENT DOWN AND THE LONGEVITY WENT DOWN. SO DO WE. THERE'S SOMEONE WE. HAD A LONG TERM EMPLOYEE WHO RETIRED, AND THEN THEY WERE REPLACED WITH SOMEONE WHO CAME IN AT A LOWER SALARY. AND SO THAT'S THE THE SAVINGS THERE.

ON THE BACK PAGE OF THIS. AM I READING THIS? BUT THE DIRECTLY NEXT 2,053,000. I'M SURE SHE WISHES.

WHY ISN'T IT BREAKING IT DOWN FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL SALARY? SO WE KNOW WHAT THE INCREASES ARE. IS WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE? OH, I BUMPING THEM ALL HERE. IT'S ONE SALARY LINE, SORT OF BY POSITION. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? ALL RIGHT. BUT IT'S A DIRECTOR.

YES. IT'S NOT ITEMIZED DOWN.

YEAH. IT SHOULD BE.

YEAH, YEAH. WHAT IS IT? AND WHAT ARE THE INCREASES YOU'RE PROJECTING? YEAH.

THE INCREASES IN. SALARIES.

SALARIES ACTUALLY ARE. DECREASING OUT HERE. BUT IT'S.

THE DETAIL IS HERE. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN SOMEBODY IS NOT GETTING 10% INCREASE. LOSING. WE DON'T HAVE THAT DETAIL. IT LOOKS. LIKE WE'RE GOING TO NEED THAT.

BUT WE REALLY DON'T BECAUSE THE LIBRARY DOESN'T. IT COULD DO ANYTHING THEY WANT WITH THE SALARIES. AND THEY ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY. IT'S THE ONLY DEPARTMENT YOU CAN MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS YOU WANT WITHOUT THE TOWN BOARD. UH, APPROVING OR REJECTING IT. WE THE ONLY THE ONLY IN TERMS OF THE LIBRARY BUDGET, YOU KNOW, BY STATE LAW, THE ONLY ACTUALLY THE ONLY THING IS REALLY THE BOTTOM LINE, YOU KNOW, WAS 3,000,004 42310 AND 2026 AND 2027 IS GOING DOWN TO 3,428,549. SO THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY, UM, THE ONLY LEGAL POWER WE HAVE IS TO GIVE YOU A FINAL DOLLAR AMOUNT.

THAT'S RIGHT. EXACTLY. ISN'T THAT TRUE? YES. I BELIEVE SO.

WE'VE LEARNED THE HARD WAY. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, UM, THAT RATHER THAN BE DEERS IN THE HEADLIGHTS, THAT WE THAT WE POSTPONE UNTIL CHRISTINA CAN BE HERE WITH US.

YEAH. I JUST ALSO WANT TO JUST. I THINK.

OKAY. COMPLIMENT THE LIBRARY, BECAUSE EVERY TIME I GO THERE, LIKE, I, I'M LIKE. OR I LOOK ON THE WEBSITE, I'M LIKE, SO AMAZED AT EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE DOING.

AND, YOU KNOW, I FEEL THAT THERE'S SO MANY FABULOUS SERVICES. AND I THINK THAT ANYONE WHO, UH, TAKES ADVANTAGE OF EVERYTHING THAT THE LIBRARY OR ANY OF THE PROGRAMS THE LIBRARY HAS, THEY'LL BE AMAZED THAT YOU COULD GO TO MUSEUMS. YOU COULD GET TECHNICAL, YOU COULD GET HELP WITH COMPUTERS, YOU COULD, UM, THERE'S FABULOUS PROGRAMS. YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THEY'RE DOING AN ACCEPT YOU'RE DOING AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB. ABSOLUTELY. BUT I HAVE A QUESTION, THOUGH, KIMBERLY, ACTUALLY, FOR YOU. I MEAN, DO YOU PROVIDE A TEMPLATE FOR THEM FOR THE DEPARTMENTS TO THEN FILL THE FILL? THEY ALL GO INTO MUNIS WITH LIKE THIS AND THEY FILL IN THEIR BUDGETS.

OKAY. SO HOW. RIGHT. THERE'S A TEMPLATE IN MUNIS OKAY. SO BUT BUT THIS DOES NOT FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT YOU PROVIDED HERE.

THAT'S RIGHT OUT. OF MUNIS.

RIGHT. BUT THAT DOESN'T SHOW AS THE PRIOR. YOU KNOW THE YEAR AS. WE KNOW IT. UNFORTUNATELY THE MODULE DOESN'T BRING THAT IN. NO. YEAH. NOT FOR THE SALARIES I KNOW I I'VE TRIED OKAY. BUT CHRISTINA COULD PREPARE THE BUDGET. UM, SO SHE DOES BREAK DOWN THE SALARIES ON THE LAST PAGE OF THIS SUPPLEMENTAL, BUT IT DOESN'T SHOW. REALLY DID THAT OR KIMBERLY DID. EXCUSE ME, BUT. SO IT DOESN'T CORRELATE. BUT WE HAVE ONE THAT DOES

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RIGHT. WE CAN'T PROVIDE THAT BECAUSE.

THAT'S NOT IN CENTRAL BUDGET ENTRY. NO.

SO WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT OVERALL THIS IS NOT JUST FOR THE LIBRARY, THAT THEY'RE WHAT WE ASK FOR, HAS A COMPARISON FOR SALARIES TO, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO.

SO MY METHODOLOGY IS THAT I RUN EVERYONE'S SALARY AND THEN I HAVE A TABLE SEPARATED BY DEPARTMENT AND FILTERED, SORTED BY DEPARTMENT. AND THEN I ADD IN WHATEVER INCREASES ARE DISCUSSED WITH EITHER THE DEPARTMENT HEAD OR THE SUPERVISOR AT THAT LEVEL, OR THE BOARD AT THE BOARD'S LEVEL.

AND THEN THAT SPREADSHEET IS USED TO UPDATE THESE SALARIES AND THE SYSTEM. SO ON THAT MASTER SPREADSHEET, I CAN SEE LAST YEAR'S SALARY VERSUS THIS YEAR'S SALARY, BUT THERE ISN'T ANY WAY, BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT MYSELF IN CENTRAL BUDGET FOR ME TO RUN THAT NOT IN THE SALARY SECTION, BECAUSE WHAT IT DOES IS IT THERE'S LIKE A LITTLE A TAB TO TAB INTO THE SALARIES, BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE LIBRARY'S ENTIRE BUDGET, IT JUST GIVES ME THE FULL SALARY LINE. IT DOESN'T GIVE ME GIVE IT TO ME ITEMIZED OUT. UNLESS I CLICK ON THAT LINE. BUT IT DOESN'T SHOW ME ANY OTHER YEAR'S.

RIGHT. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CHRISTINA COULD PROVIDE, RIGHT? SHE COULD. SO WHAT I COULD DO IS I COULD TAKE HER SECTION OUT OF MY MASTER SPREADSHEET, COPY IT, AND GIVE THAT TO HER. SO. WELL, OR SHE COULD JUST. IN OTHER WORDS, I'M SAYING WHEN WHEN BUDGET INFORMATION COMES IN, WE COULD REQUEST OF THE DEPARTMENTS, PLEASE DO THIS.

EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO DO IT.

RIGHT. YES. AND EVEN THE FORMATTING, IF WE CAN MAKE THAT MORE CONSISTENT, IT WOULD BE EASIER TO COMPARE.

YEAH. UM. I KNOW BECAUSE I THINK YOU HAVE THE PRESENTATIONS THAT I'M PULLING OUT OF MUNIS, BUT THEN THE DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE EACH MAKING THEIR OWN PRESENTATIONS, WHICH IS A LOT OF PAPERWORK AND CONFUSING.

THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, TO WE CAN COME UP WITH A UNIFORM.

TEMPLATE. YEAH, A TEMPLATE EXACTLY WHERE I STARTED. SO NOT NOT TO YOU. JUST I MEAN, THIS BUDGET LOOKS PRETTY CONSISTENT TO ME. THERE ARE SEVERAL DECREASES, I THINK THERE I NOTICED ONE INCREASE IN UH, WAS IT CONTRACTUAL? UM.

THERE WAS AN INCREASE FOR THE SECURITY GUARD.

OH, RIGHT. SECURITY? YEAH.

OH. SERVICE CONTRACTS. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, SHE'S PRETTY MUCH STAYED FLAT WITH EVERYTHING.

UM, KIMBERLY. UM, YES, WE HAVE.

I THOUGHT LAST TAYLOR WAS REQUESTED THAT WE HAVE THE NOTES. LIKE, IF THERE WAS NOTES AND STUFF.

IN THERE. SO IF THEY PUT NOTES IN, I PUT THEM AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. MOST OF THE DEPARTMENTS DID NOT PUT NOTES IN. UM, SO THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR ME TO PUT THE NOTES ON THE SIDE BECAUSE THEY DON'T USE RAP TEXT. SO IT'S JUST AN ONGOING TO NEVER NEVERLAND, AND IT DOESN'T FIT ON THE PAGE. SO JUST CLICKING A BUTTON.

YES. RIGHT. SO I'VE ADDED THE NOTES AT THE BOTTOM FOR THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT PUT NOTES IN. IF THERE'S IF THERE ISN'T ANYTHING THEN THEY DIDN'T ADD A NOTE. LIKE LIZ ADDED A LOT OF NOTES. THAT WAS GREAT. SO. SO DO YOU FEEL THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH THIS BUDGET PEOPLE OR DO WE WANT CHRISTINA COME IN FOR A SHORT SUMMARY NEXT WEEK OR A COUPLE.

OF WEEKS? I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY.

BECAUSE I'M. OKAY.

WITH THIS. BASICALLY IT'S FINE. LESS THAN LAST YEAR WHEN YOU KNOW THERE'S NOT THAT MANY GOVERNMENT BODIES THAT ARE DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING. AND, UM, I ALSO THINK THAT WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THE LINE ITEMS ANYWAY. IN THE BUDGET. SO IF. THE CONTROL OVER THE TOTAL.

WE HAVE ONLY JUST A TOTAL. SO, YOU KNOW, WE ALL WANT THE LIBRARY TO CONTINUE FUNCTIONING LIKE THEY ARE. SO IF YOU FEEL YOU COULD FUNCTION, YOU KNOW, WITH LESS THAN YOU DID IN 2027, THAN 2026, I DON'T I THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE IT ALONE BEFORE YOU. CHANGE IT. AND I CAN.

REVIEW HER CAPITAL. SHE HAD TWO CAPITAL ITEMS. ONE WAS THE FLOORING, THE CARPET, AND THE OTHER WAS THE AC. THAT WAS IT.

SO IT'S BEEN IN THE BUDGET NOW. YEAH. SO THERE IS ADDITIONAL FUNDING NOW FOR THE AC BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL BUDGET THAT WE HAD WAS UM, TO FOR REPAIRS AND NOW THE SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. SO THOSE HAVE BEEN ROLLED UP INTO THE DPW BUDGET.

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THOSE. RIGHT. UM, I ALSO KNOW THAT THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT HEATING. SO I DON'T KNOW.

IF IT'S A HVAC COMBINED HEATING AND AIR CONDITIONING.

I THINK THE CONCERN IS JUST WITH WINTER COMING. SO I DON'T KNOW. IN TERMS OF SCHEDULING.

MAKING SURE THAT THERE IS HEAT. KIMBERLY, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, JUST THE HEATING AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE THE HVAC, IF WE DEFER, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CAPITAL BUDGET, CAN WE DO A SHORT TERM? WE COULD DO SHORT TERM BORROWING SO WE COULD GET THIS DONE WITHOUT DOING A REGULAR CAPITAL. IF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DELAYING THE CAPITAL BUDGET, RIGHT.

OH, WE SHOULDN'T DELAY THE CAPITAL BUDGET. WELL, PARTICULARLY IF YOU'RE GOING TO DELAY IT AND THEN DO ALL THESE.

I MEAN, I THINK I THINK THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DELAY, SUCH AS THE HVAC SYSTEM FOR THE LIBRARY. NO, I'M SAYING I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FUND THE HVAC AND GET THAT DONE. BUT, YOU KNOW, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF WE I WANT OUR BASICALLY, AS I SAID LAST WEEK, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CLEAR UP ALL THE ON UNSPENT DOLLARS THAT WE PUT IN PREVIOUS CAPITAL BUDGETS BEFORE I RECOMMEND ANOTHER CAPITAL BUDGET FOR 2027. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THIS IS AN EMERGENCY. I FEEL THIS HAS TO BE DONE. SO IF THE IF WE'RE GOING TO DELAY THE CAPITAL BUDGET, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, SAY A COUPLE MONTHS OR WHATEVER.

, FRANK HAS BEEN DEALING WITH THIS.

JUST I'M ASKING, I'M ASKING. BUT BUT FRANK HAS BEEN DEALING WITH IT. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE SOME CONVERSATION WITH HIM ABOUT WHERE HE WHERE HE IS IN TERMS OF THE BUDGET AND ADDITIONAL CAPITAL MIGHT HAVE COME FROM THE EMERGENCY LINE.

COUNCILWOMAN. I THINK WE AGREED WE WEREN'T GOING TO TALK ABOUT. CAPITAL TONIGHT. OKAY.

OKAY. SO SO IT MIGHT NOT IMPACT.

BUT. IT MIGHT NOT.

NEED TO HAVE THE COMMISSION JUST.

HAVE. EXACTLY AN APARTMENT..

AND THEY'RE A COMPONENT OF US. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M OKAY PRESENTING. THEIR CAPITAL TONIGHT.

SO YEAH. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION. I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH COUNCILWOMAN JACKSON THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THE COMMISSIONER HERE SO THAT WE CAN.

ADDRESS IT FOR THE ENTIRE CAPITAL. YES, WE CERTAINLY DO.

YES. YOU NEED TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS BEHIND THE SCENES SO YOU CAN COME TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WHAT YOU GUYS WANT TO PRESENT. WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, COME TO SOME TYPE OF AN AGREEMENT SOMETIMES. YES. I MEAN.

I, I THINK COMMISSIONERS IN THE PAST NEED TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS BEFORE IT COMES TO US. SO THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THAT CHRISTINA OR MAYBE I KNOW SHE'S BEEN TALKING TO, TO FRANK, BUT THOSE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS I KNOW.

COUNCILMAN HABER. I MEAN, UM. HENDRICKSON, HMD.

OKAY, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO SPELL IT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE. YOU FOR THAT.

UM, BUT HAVE BEEN HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS. SO IF I CAN PUT YOU AT SOME EASE, IT IS ON THE FOREFRONT OF OUR MINDS. SO WE DO HAVE OUR COMMISSIONER IS REALLY WE HAD A LONG WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS ACTUALLY LAST WEEK. SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO WALK AWAY FEELING IT'S JUST ANOTHER PROJECT. JUST GOING TO JUST SIT ON THE SHELF. THAT'S NOT THE CASE. SO WE ARE FULLY AWARE WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR OUR LIBRARY PATRONS. AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THE GUESTS THAT COME THROUGH SO GREAT. JUST SO CHRISTINE AND FRANCO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND COUNSEL AND KENDRA HENDRICKS, THANK YOU. AND I WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR RESPECTIVE, UM, DEPARTMENT HEADS. YEAH. GREAT. OKAY. THAT'S WONDERFUL. YEAH.

THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU.

SO WHERE DID YOU SAY YOUR NAME WAS? OKAY. THANK YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM.

OKAY. OKAY.

NEXT. UH. THE QUALITY.

READ. GOOD EVENING. ON.

GOING TO TELL ME SOME GOOD NEWS, PETER.

I HAVE ALL SORTS OF GOOD NEWS. ALL RIGHT, ALL MY PROJECTS ARE COMPLETED. WE'RE WORKING ON THEM. WE HAVE, UH, MUNIS FOLK COMING OUT HERE ON THURSDAY TO GIVE US A LITTLE MORE GUIDANCE. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T WANT TO STILL GET THAT. UH, MY NAME IS PETER. I AM THE MANAGER OF IT. AND CABLE ACCESS. UH, THE BUDGET I SUBMITTED DOES NOT INCREASE ANY OF OUR EXPENDITURES. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF SOME EXISTING PROGRAMS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE, AS WELL AS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF SOME, UH, SERVICES PROVIDED BY THE STATE OF NEW YORK, ONE OF WHICH IS THE KEY FOB. SECURITY KEY FOB WILL BE GETTING HOPEFULLY IN ABOUT A MONTH. UM, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS HAVING A PENETRATION TEST OR A SECURITY TEST, WHICH

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IT DOESN'T LET US CONTRACT. YOU PIGGYBACK IN.

MY PHONE. IT'S ACTUALLY FREE.

IT'S A FREE FREE. IT'S FREE SERVICE.

YEP. AND WHO IS IT.

THROUGH WHAT? WHAT AREA UNDER THE STATE.

IT'S HOMELAND SECURITY. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO AN IT POINT I THEY HAVE A LOT OF ACRONYMS MORE SO THAN US.

OKAY. SO YOUR YOUR DEPARTMENTS WILL INCREASE ON SALARY. IS THAT JUST A STANDARD THREE PIECE PER. CONTRACT TO BE.

A. I DON'T KNOW 70 INCREASED.

RIGHT. YEAH.

NOT MUCH. YEAH. THOSE NUMBERS COME DIRECTLY FROM.

PAYROLL. LIKE THE EQUIPMENT NUMBERS.

WELL, ONE THING WE'VE DONE IS, IS DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, MADE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING THE RIGHT PURCHASES, ESPECIALLY IN CABLE ACCESS, WHICH IS ACTUALLY NOT PART OF THIS. BUT RATHER THAN THE OLD WAY OF, OF LOCK STOCK REPLACING EVERYTHING, NOW WE'RE DOING IT ON A MORE SPECIFIC, UH, YOU KNOW, PROCESS. AND TERENCE AND SAM HAVE DONE A LOT TO SAVE THE TOWN, A LOT OF MONEY. BY THE WAY, UH, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, WE'VE BEEN HAMMERED. UH, I WAS WORKING WITH, UH, COUNCILWOMAN HENDRIX ABOUT IT. UH, YOU GUYS GOT A COUPLE HUNDRED EMAILS ABOUT IT? WE ARE NOW. OKAY, WE'RE UP TO, BUT WE'VE ALREADY DELETED ABOUT 10,000. WOW. AND THEY KEEP COMING. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENS BEHIND BEHIND THE SCENES. SOME ARE MAKING IT THROUGH.

YEAH, IT'S TOUGH. UH. CHANGING THE TITLE.

AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY, UH, ACTIVE EMAILS. SO ALL THOSE SECURITY THINGS THAT WE LOOK FOR TO STOP THEM, WE CAN'T, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A LEGITIMATE EMAIL.

RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

I ANSWERED EVERY ONE OF. THEM. WELL.

YOU'VE BEEN BUSY. I LIKE OUR RESPONSE.

YOU DID. I GOT EVERY EVERY ONE THAT CAME OUT THAT TOOK ME HOURS. AND I RESPONDED.

TO EVERYONE. BUT THEN PEOPLE WERE THANKING ME. WELL, WHAT DID YOU SAY? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T INTERFERE WITH A PLANNING BOARD.

WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING? NO, THIS WAS NO, THIS.

IS THE. HASTING.

THAT WAS THE. YES, HASTINGS. YEAH, THIS IS THE HASTINGS.

WELL, YEAH. THAT'S THE WE. THE ONLY ONE THAT WE CAN EXPAND, RIGHT? WHICH WE HAVE.

NO. UH, THAT'S THE BIGGEST ONE.

YEAH. NOTHING.

YEAH. WE CONSTANTLY GETTING JUNK AND, YOU KNOW, BUT THIS WAS AN ACTUAL CAMPAIGN. YOU COULD SEE WENT FROM 0 TO 60. AND, UH, OVER THE LAST, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, I'VE DELETED 10,000 EMAILS THAT HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO YOUR EMAIL BOXES. YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THEM BECAUSE WE DELETE THEM RIGHT WHEN THEY HIT OUR SYSTEM BASED ON THE ON THE SUBJECTS THEY'RE USING.

SO SOMEBODY STOLE THE EMAIL ADDRESS? I'M NOT REALLY SURE. WE'RE STILL INVESTIGATING, BUT AS I SAID, THEY'RE ACTIVE EMAIL ADDRESSES. SO IT'S LIKE A BOTNET. LIKE ALL THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, HAVE CRAP RUNNING ON THEIR COMPUTERS THAT'S ACTUALLY SENDING EMAIL FOR SOMEBODY FOR THEM AND THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW IT. SO UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S NOT AN EASY WAY TO RESOLVE THIS. UM, WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR SECURITY PROVIDER. UM, WE'RE GOING TO BE REACHING OUT TO THE STATE TOMORROW AND TALKING TO THEM. MAYBE THEY HAVE SOMETHING THEY CAN DO FOR US. UM, BUT FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW, YOU SHOULDN'T BE SEEING ANY MORE OF THAT UNLESS THEY CHANGE THE SUBJECT AGAIN AND GETS AROUND WHAT WE'RE TRYING. TO STOP.

WHAT HAPPENS? YEP. OKAY. YEAH. BUT YOU DELETED 10,000. OVER 1000 GOT THROUGH. RIGHT? RIGHT.

ANYTHING ELSE? BUT YOU'RE REALLY.

GOOD. YEAH, I THINK SO.

ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? LOOKS LIKE. IT'S EITHER LEVEL OR WENT DOWN. WE'RE TRYING VERY.

HARD. ALL RIGHT, WELL, PETE, I DON'T

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WELL. IF YOU WOULD.

LIKE TO, YOU KNOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND. GOOD. NEXT.

PLEASE. OKAY. COME. DID I? PLEASE.

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. GOOD EVENING. SIR.

OKAY. I LOVE THAT.

PINK PRESENTATION. YES. AWESOME.

OKAY. GOOD EVENING. I AM KOBIE POWELL, CHIEF OF POLICE. I AM ACCOMPANIED BY CAPTAIN DANIEL VALENTINE, DIVISION COMMANDER FOR OUR STAFF SERVICES DIVISION. UM, WE ARE HERE TONIGHT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PRESENTING AND DISCUSSING OUR 2027 OPERATIONAL BUDGET. AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS PARTICULARLY LARGE DEPARTMENT, WHICH NOT ONLY PROVIDES POLICE SERVICE AND EMS SERVICE FOR THE UNINCORPORATED TOWN, BUT ALSO ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT, EMS, ANIMAL CONTROL AND SPECIAL OPERATIONS FOR THE INCORPORATED VILLAGES. IT EMPLOYS APPROXIMATELY 160 EMPLOYEES WITHIN NUMEROUS UNITS AND AREAS OF SPECIALIZED WORK.

IN AN EFFORT TO START WITH GOOD NEWS OTHER THAN PERSONNEL COSTS. ONLY THREE OF OUR BUDGET LINES CHANGED AT ALL. FOUR LINES WERE REDUCED, 41 WERE HELD FLAT AT FISCAL YEAR 2026.

I'M SORRY. AT FISCAL YEAR 2026 LEVELS. THERE WAS A 9% INCREASE IN THE BUDGET, 8.28% OF THAT IS DUE TO PERSONNEL COSTS.

SALARIES IN THE 2026 BUDGET WERE BASED ON 2023 SALARIES, WITH THE NEW CONTRACT BEING SETTLED AFTER MULTIPLE YEARS OUT. I'M SORRY, WITH THE NEW CONTRACT BEING SETTLED AFTER MULTIPLE YEARS SALARIES, LONGEVITY, HOLIDAY PAY ALL ROSE. IF PERSONNEL COSTS HAD REMAINED FLAT, THE BUDGET WOULD HAVE ONLY GROWN 0.72% INSTEAD OF NINE. UM, IN THE END, WE HAVE A FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE BUDGET WITH VERY FEW INCREASES, EXCEPT FOR THOSE RELATED TO CONTRACTUALLY AGREED UPON SALARY INCREASES. BUT IF ANYONE HAS ANY.

QUESTIONS. THAT WAS OVERTIME. LEFT OVERTIME.

FLAT FROM WHAT IT WAS THIS YEAR.

I MISUNDERSTOOD. THAT'S EVEN WITH THE SALARY.

CHANGES. THAT'S WHY. DO YOU THINK YOU WERE ABLE TO KEEP IT FLAT IN A, YOU.

KNOW. ANY POLICY CHANGES IN TERMS OF.

WELL, THERE'S ALWAYS SOME WIGGLE ROOM WITH THAT. THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO STAFF AND FULFILL, YOU KNOW, UM, FEEL WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. WE'RE DEALING WITH, YOU KNOW, WEATHER INCIDENCES. BUT THERE ARE OTHER WAYS WHERE, YOU KNOW, IN AN EFFORT TO BE GOOD PARTNERS, WE ASSIGN OFFICERS AND TAKE ON SOME EXTRA RESPONSIBILITIES AT A TIME. UM, THAT, UM, IF NECESSARY, NEXT YEAR, WE MAY, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO CUT BACK ON SOME OF THAT, BUT IT'S A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MOVE FORWARD PLANNING ON OPERATING THE WAY WE'VE BEEN OPERATING. BUT IF WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME CONCESSIONS, THAT'S AN AREA. I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE A LOT OF INCREMENTAL, SMALLER REDUCTIONS, QUITE A FEW OF THEM, AS YOU MENTIONED, THAT COMPENSATE FOR THE VERY LARGE INCREASES. SO IN THE COMMUNITY POLICING, HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE HANDLED NEXT YEAR? UM. IT'S GOING GREAT. I WOULD LOVE TO DO EVERYTHING NEXT YEAR THAT WE DID THIS YEAR. UM, IF CIRCUMSTANCES ARE SUCH THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO ADJUST.

YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, THAT WOULD BE A CONVERSATION FOR ANOTHER NIGHT. BUT, UM, IT'S A BIG PART OF WHY WE HAVE THE RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE, AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MAINTAIN IT REALLY FOR DECADES. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THE OBVIOUS RETURNS AND THE NOT SO OBVIOUS RETURNS. AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO DESIGNATE ANY PARTICULAR UNIT OR, SORRY, I WOULDN'T WANT TO DESIGNATE ANY UNIT OR DIVISION AS WHERE I WOULD LOOK FIRST TO TRY TO SAVE, ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW AT A PUBLIC MEETING WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO REVIEW AND LOOK INTO LATER, WE ALWAYS CAN. WE ALWAYS WILL. AND WE COULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AT THE APPROPRIATE PLACE AND TIME. I WILL, UH. SERVICE CONTRACTS,

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ON THE SECOND PAGE OF WHAT DOES.

UM. SERVICE CONTRACTS. 54490, WHICH IT'S ON. IT'S FROM KIMBERLY'S. WHICH BUDGET.

BE? 3120 BE. OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M SORRY.

JUST GIVE ME. A MOMENT.

SERVICE CONTRACTS. WHAT'S THE NUMBER? OKAY. FIVE. 54490.

ACTUALLY HAVE. THIS.

BUT, UM. ANYWAY. DATE. YOU KNOW WHAT? I'LL START AND I'LL ASK THE GOOD CAPTAIN TO JUMP IN WHEN I FALL SHORT OF EXPLAINING EVERYTHING THAT I COULD WITH THIS. UM, AS WE ALL KNOW, COSTS RISE AND WE HAVE SERVICE CONTRACTS WITH, UM, FOR OUR BODY CAMERA PROGRAM. THE CAT. ARMS, YOU KNOW, EVIDENCE.

AND THESE ARE OPERATIONALLY ESSENTIAL. UM, YEAR TO YEAR.

YOU KNOW, THESE COSTS DO GO UP. WE'VE TRIED TO MINIMIZE HOW MUCH THEY'VE GONE UP. I KNOW FIRSTHAND HOW THE CAPTAIN AT TIMES WILL NEGOTIATE WITH THEM WHEN WE HAVE TO ENTER INTO NEW CONTRACTS. BUT, UM, REALLY, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE, UM, THE SERVICE CONTRACTS THAT WE REQUIRE TO MAINTAIN OUR OPERATIONS. UM, THEY ARE ALL ESSENTIAL FUNCTIONS. AND, CAP, IF I LEFT ANYTHING OUT OF THAT. FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR TO THIS YEAR WENT UP 100,000. THIS TIME IT'S GOING UP 200,000.

OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT? ANY PARTICULAR THING? SO LAST YEAR WE ADDED THE DRONE FIRST RESPONDER PROGRAM, WHICH WAS A JOINT EFFORT WITH DPW.

IT'S $150,000 PER YEAR PROGRAM THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FUNDS, 100,000 AND DPW FUNDED THE 50. UM, SO THAT WAS A $100,000 INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR. THIS YEAR, WE'VE TAKEN THE TOTAL 150 RESPONSIBILITY. UM, AND TALKING WITH DPW AT SOME POINT ABOUT TRANSFERRING FUNDS IN AND OUT, BUT WE HAD A BUDGET FOR IT TO MAKE THE PAYMENT. UM, THE REMAINING INCREASE OF ROUGHLY $50,000 WENT TOWARDS OUR, UH, CENTRAL SQUARE RECORDS MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE. AND, UH, CAD STUFF.

SO THIS BUDGET LINE ENCOMPASSES ABOUT 34 SEPARATE PROFESSIONAL SERVICE CONTRACTS THAT DEAL WITH, UM, EVERYTHING IN THE BUILDING THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR.

SO IF I, IF I MAY, UM, JUST WONDERING IF THERE WAS AN OFFSET TO THE DRONE NOW THAT WE HAVE, WE PAID FOR AND ARE BEING GREATLY ASSISTED BY THE DRONE PROGRAM. DOES THAT OFFSET ANY OTHER COSTS TO. THE DRONE? NO, IT'S A RECURRING COST. THAT'S A FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT.

RIGHT. BUT BECAUSE IT PROVIDES A SERVICE THAT WAS ADDRESSED IN OTHER WAYS BEFORE, I'M ASSUMING OR DOES IT JUST GIVE A WHOLE NEW DIMENSION. TO IT ENHANCES.

IT'S AN. ENTIRELY NEW DIMENSION.

IT'S MORE OF AN ENHANCEMENT THAN A.

REPLACEMENT. BUT COULD YOU SEE, WITH TECHNOLOGY MAKING SO MUCH, UH, PROGRESS, COULD YOU SEE, SAY, TEN YEARS FROM NOW, A POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, BEING ABLE TO FUNCTION WITH LESS, YOU KNOW, WITH FEWER PEOPLE? MORE. YEAH.

AND I'M JUST WONDERING, BECAUSE, I MEAN, THERE'S SO MUCH WITH TECHNOLOGIES HAPPENING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS OF THE FUTURE ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT THAN THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS AS WE KNOW IT NOW.

I'M CERTAIN THEY'LL. BE DIFFERENT, BUT.

WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO NEED BOOTS ON THE GROUND. BUT IT DOES, YOU KNOW, IT DOES PROVIDE FOR SOME ADVANTAGES WITH REGARDS TO, YOU KNOW, UM, WE'RE RESPONDING TO A SCENE. MAYBE THERE'S A SUSPECT, MAYBE THERE'S SOME CONFUSION ABOUT WHETHER THEY'RE ARMED OR NOT. YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A CHILD WITH AUTISM THAT WANDERS OFF, AND NOW INSTEAD OF JUST JUST HAVING A BUNCH OF COPS DRIVING AROUND WHILE, YOU KNOW, WE CHECK AN AREA, WE ACTUALLY HAVE EYE IN THE SKY THAT WE CAN PUT UP FOR OURSELVES AND HELP. LOOK, UM, IT'S IT'S DEFINITELY TOO NOT JUST THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT THE TOWN'S BENEFIT. BUT, YOU KNOW. YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE NOT READY TO REPLACE PEOPLE WITH THEM YET. THANK YOU FOR SAVING SOME JOBS.

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BE 3120? IS THAT THE TOP LINE? 83989. UM. 54497.

THAT'S NOT US. I BELIEVE THAT HAS TO DEAL WITH TOWN HALL SECURITY. PUBLIC SAFETY.

YEAH, THAT DOESN'T FALL UNDER OUR.

SO HOW. IS BUDGET? I THINK IT WAS AN.

ERROR. BECAUSE THIS IS THIS. YOU SAID THIS SECURITY. I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

YEAH. KIMBERLY.

DO YOU KNOW. PUBLIC SAFETY? BE 30. OH, IS IT BE. IT'S THE FACILITY.

398902. IT'S ON THE TOP SHEET OF WHAT YOU HANDED OUT. WHAT? KIMBERLY. YES.

I WAS TALKING TO.. I THINK SHE'S AN 83989.

YEAH. I WAS GONNA SAY I DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT. IN. SO WHY IS IT? HUH? SO WHY IS. IT HERE? BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE. I DIDN'T.

REALIZE THAT. OKAY. BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE, I. I DIDN'T REALIZE DPW WAS MOVED. AND SO I SENT AN EMAIL OUT TO FRANK AND TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO ASK THEM WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS BUDGET. RIGHT. AND SO THEN THEY WROTE BACK AFTER THE FACT, OKAY. AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE IT. BUT I WANTED TO GET THE BUDGET. OUT. OH, ACTUALLY.

I'M NOT FINISHED. BUT IT WENT UP SIGNIFICANTLY BY $100,000. FRANK'S GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER.

YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S.

A VERY BIG INCREASE. WE TALKED YESTERDAY JUST ABOUT THE HALLOWEEN SITUATION. SO BEFORE I FORGOT CONSIDERING.

WAIT, WAIT. BECAUSE LET'S LET'S GO. INTO THE BUDGET. YEP.

CHEAP. IS THERE ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO PRESENT TO US BEFORE.

CLAIMS? YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S TRUE.

YEAH. YEAH. SO I JUST WANT TO, UH.

YEAH, I'VE GOTTEN MANY, MANY EMAILS AND CALLS FROM PEOPLE WHO WERE VERY UPSET ABOUT THE REQUIREMENT OF, UH.

WE'RE NOT READY TO TALK. ABOUT THAT. NO, YOU JUST SAID.

NO, NO. WE'RE NOT. NO. WELL, WE HAVEN'T. FOR WHAT. WE HAVE. YEAH. I JUST.

WANT TO PUT THAT. BUT WE ARE FINISHING THE BUDGET. OKAY. WE HAVE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THAT. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT THAT'S WE HAVE TO FINISH THE BUDGET DISCUSSION. YES, PLEASE. I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IT ALSO.

OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? I.

IF THE BOARD HAS NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

OH OKAY. SO WHAT IS JUDGMENTS AND CLAIMS. WHY IS THAT PART OF THIS BUDGET CHAIR I. DON'T KNOW WHY THOSE SHEETS MUST. BE COMMINGLED. THAT'S NOT PART OF THEIR.

BUDGET. I WOULDN'T THINK SO. I YEAH.

SURE. THANKS. WE DO HAVE SIX BUDGETS. THAT'S NOT MINE. I DON'T HAVE $2 MILLION IN MY BUDGET.

I WISH. OKAY.

BUT THAT SHOULDN'T BE. IN WITH.

OH, THAT MUST BE. THAT WOULD. MAKE SENSE.

THAT'S PART OF THE COURT CHORUS. OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE.

I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY WERE. I'M GUESSING THAT SHE JUST PRINTED THEM AND STAPLED THEM ALL TOGETHER. HOLLY. BUT THAT'S. ALL NOT PART OF THEIR BUDGET.

OKAY, OKAY, SO WE'LL GET IT SORTED OUT. YES. ALL RIGHT.

THANKS. ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. QUESTIONS. RESOLUTION ON TOMORROW NIGHT.

WE'RE BUYING FOUR MORE VEHICLES. YOU MENTIONED SOME KIND OF A POLICY, A TURNOVER VEHICLE POLICY OR WHATEVER YOU CALLED IT. COULD YOU SHARE THAT WITH WHATEVER THAT POLICY IS BASED ON AGE AND MILEAGE? THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS IN THE RESOLUTION BASED ON AGE AND MILEAGE. YOU REPLACE VEHICLES, OKAY. THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE. YOU'RE ASKING WHAT WE BASE REPLACING THE VEHICLES ON.

WELL I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE IS. WHAT DO YOU BASE IT ON. AND FOR THE FOUR VEHICLES THAT YOU'RE GETTING, WHAT WHAT THE VIN NUMBERS ARE FOR THE AND THE MILEAGE AND THE AGE OF THE ONES THAT YOU'RE REPLACING. AND WHERE DO WE EXPECT THOSE TO GO? OH, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT.

SO GOING BACK TO, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN ABOUT THE HALLOWEEN, UH, STREET ACTIVITIES, YOU KNOW, WE SPOKE YESTERDAY AND

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AND WE CAN DO THAT IN AGENDA REVIEW.

BUT THE POLICE CHIEF, I DON'T WANT TO KEEP THE POLICE CHIEF AND THE CAPTAIN HERE FOR THE NEXT TWO HOURS. SO THE THING IS, THEY'RE HERE NOW. SO I'D JUST LIKE TO GET THIS OUT.

HE JUST SAID IT'S NOT UP TO HIM. WELL.

WELL, I'D LIKE THEM. I'D LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION. IT WILL TAKE FIVE, FIVE MINUTES BECAUSE JUST SAY WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK. WE'RE GOING TO. KEEP THE I CAN SAY WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY, AND I CAN SAY IT IN LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES. UM, A FEW YEARS AGO NOW, THIS ISN'T NEW. WE HAD CONCERNS FOR LIABILITY WITH REGARDS TO AN UNSTAFFED BARRICADE. YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY GIVING THE FALSE ILLUSION THAT THERE'S A FORCE FIELD PROTECTING AN AREA FROM SOMEONE DRIVING INTO IT. AND WHETHER IT'S SOMEONE THAT'S HIGH, THAT'S DRUNK, IT'S NOT PAYING ATTENTION OR, GOD FORBID, SOMEONE YOU KNOW, INTENTIONALLY DESIROUS OF A VIOLENT ACT. THERE IS A CERTAIN CONCERN FOR THAT. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POLICE OFFICERS TO PUT A SINGLE POLICE OFFICER AT EACH BARRICADED STREET CORNER. SO THE IDEA THAT WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS ASKED FOR THE BARRICADES TO HAVE THEIR EVENTS, YOU KNOW THAT THERE BE A RESPONSIBLE ADULT, MORE OR LESS WITH EYES ON THAT PARTICULAR BARRICADE INTERSECTION, SO THAT IF THERE IS EXCUSE ME, IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN REACH OUT TO OTHER PEOPLE HOSTING THE EVENT, THEY CAN CONTACT THE POLICE, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, VERSUS THEY'RE JUST THE RISKS THAT WE FEEL ARE POTENTIALLY POSED POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, BY A BARRICADE SITTING, NO ONE WATCHING. IT WAS REALLY ABOUT LIABILITY WITH REGARDS TO WHETHER IT'S JUST A LIABILITY WAIVER, INDEMNIFICATION OR REQUIREMENT FOR INSURANCE. OBVIOUSLY, THAT WOULD BE DECISION LEFT UP TO LEGAL THE TOWN BOARD. BUT IT WAS REALLY INITIALLY ABOUT LIABILITY. UM, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY I.

ULTIMATELY IT'S ABOUT SAFETY. YES. WELL, YES. YOU KNOW, AND PERSONALLY I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THE EVENTS. I THINK, YOU KNOW, COMPARED TO JUST SOME OF THE THE FREE RAIN IN SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS YEARS AND YEARS AGO. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MORE RESPONSIBLE ADULTS OUT WITH YOUNG CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, ENJOYING THE CANDY AND THE COSTUMES AND, UM, WE STILL, YOU KNOW, PUT OUT A LARGE NUMBER OF OFFICERS, ASSIGN THEM TO AREAS.

AND WE'VE BEEN BLESSED WHERE HALLOWEEN HAS BEEN GOING VERY WELL THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. NOT TRYING TO UPSET THAT APPLE CART, BUT ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, WE JUST THE IDEA THAT A BARRICADE SITTING AT AN INTERSECTION INHERENTLY MAKES EVERYTHING ON THE OTHER SIDE SAFE IS A FALLACY.

SO MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION? UM, SO IF WE WERE TO INCLUDE THAT EACH NEIGHBORHOOD MAN OR WOMAN STAFF BARRICADE. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER CANE. AND WOULD YOU PROVIDE TRAINING FOR THEM? I MEAN, WITH REGARDS TO THAT, HALLOWEEN'S IN ABOUT TWO AND A HALF WEEKS, IF THAT. YOU KNOW, WITH REGARDS TO SOME GUIDELINES THAT, YOU KNOW.

IF IT'S POLICY THAT WE'RE ESTABLISHING.

WITH REGARDS TO POLICY, I WOULDN'T WANT IT TO BE RUSHED, WRITTEN IN STONE, LIKE IN A WEEK'S TIME. BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WHERE THERE ARE SOME COMMON SENSE GUIDELINES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD REQUEST FROM THE START.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE COULD SIT DOWN AND CONTINUE TO PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER. AND, UM, IF THERE'S TWEAKS THAT NEED TO BE MADE, HOPEFULLY EACH YEAR, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE SAFER FOR EVERYONE AND WOULD MAKE SENSE.

I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH DYLAN, WHICH IS WHY, BECAUSE HE DID. HE DID STAFF BARRICADES LAST YEAR, AND HE HAD.

NO THERE THERE. THERE ARE FEW EVENTS WHERE THEY DO THAT. AND I YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN WHERE. BUT IF YOU AND ME CONTINUE, UM, HE WAS CONFRONTED WITH SITUATIONS AND PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T WANT TO COMPLY. SO AND WHERE HE WAS UNABLE TO COME UP WITH THE PROPER AUTHORITY. AND SO THAT'S THE KIND OF TRAINING, UM, I MEAN, AND EVEN KNOWING WHAT HE CAN OR SHOULD NOT SAY.

RIGHT. I MEAN, ULTIMATELY IN ANY KIND OF DISPUTE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A NEIGHBOR, A RESIDENT, SOMEONE JUST TRYING TO IMPLORE SOMEONE ELSE TO USE COMMON SENSE AND RESTRAINT, YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMETIMES PEOPLE WILL LISTEN, SOMETIMES THEY WON'T. IF THERE'S A DISPUTE, WE SHOULD BE CONTACTED. WE WILL RESPOND. UM, BUT WITH REGARDS TO SOME BEST PRACTICES, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I THINK FROM A COMMON SENSE STANDPOINT WE COULD SUGGEST, BUT ALSO IT WOULD BE A MATTER OF IF YOU HAVE THAT PERSON THAT'S JUST INDIGNANT, REFUSE TO DRIVE AROUND OR LISTEN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CALL US. WELL, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE

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AND HISTORICALLY, I BELIEVE. FALLS ON THAT. WHOSE ROLE IS THAT? I WOULD SAY THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I JUST WANTED TO BE.

YEAH. WELL, HISTORICALLY, I WAS I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY WERE DOING THAT FOR THE MOST PART. BUT OF COURSE, THERE MAY ALWAYS BE THE PERSON THAT DOESN'T GET IT, DOESN'T CHECK THEIR EMAIL, OR THAT THEY CAN'T GET AHOLD OF. OH, BUT.

WE DO THE OLD FASHIONED. WAY. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET INTO A FISTFIGHT OVER IT RIGHT NOW. SEEN THAT HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE SUPERVISOR PUT OUT IT'S SAFER. AND WHEN THESE STREETS ARE CLOSED WITH BARRICADES. BUT WE ALL KNOW OF INSTANCES WHERE THEY WERE INSIDE THE BARRICADES AND THEY WERE COMING OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAY.

AND WITHIN THE BARRICADE. FOR HALLOWEEN. AND, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF KIDS IN THE STREET, THEY'RE GETTING OUT IF THEY WANT TO GET OUT. YES, WE FIRSTHAND WITNESSED THAT. SO I THINK YES, I KNOW AND AND SO WHAT I, I THINK THE WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS SO THAT WE DO HAVE THESE HALLOWEEN PARADES AND YOU'LL SEE ME IN MY DINOSAUR COSTUME AGAIN, I THINK I HAVEN'T WORN IT IN TWO YEARS.

UM, I THINK ONE OF THE WAYS WE CAN DEAL WITH THIS IS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PROPOSING THE EVENT OR ORGANIZING THE EVENT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY TAKE RESPONSIBILITY, THAT THEY WILL HAVE PEOPLE MAKING SURE THOSE BARRICADES DON'T GET MOVED. I KNOW I MENTIONED TO YOU WHEN WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A STREET CLOSING ON MY BLOCK, I ACTUALLY TAKE MY CAR AND BLOCK IT. BUT I'M ALWAYS WITH THAT CAR IN CASE THERE'S AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE THAT HAS TO GET IN. I CAN MOVE THE CAR, BUT THAT'S THE SAFEST WAY, BECAUSE THOSE WOODEN BARRICADES MEAN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. AND, YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED ON THE WEST SIDE HIGHWAY NOT TOO LONG AGO. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WELL-INTENTIONED PEOPLE WHO JUST AREN'T THINKING AND COMING OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAY AND SOMEHOW NOT KNOWING THERE'S A THERE'S A HALLOWEEN EVENT GOING ON RIGHT OUTSIDE THEIR DOOR.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, IN A WAY, IT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE WE'RE ADVERTISING WHERE THE BIGGEST CROWDS ARE GOING TO BE. AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHAT THEY ARE NOW BECAUSE OF THE EMAILS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING AROUND. AND SOMEBODY WHO HAS ILL WILL, UM, BAD INTENTIONS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE WE WE CAN'T JUST SAY WE'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM BEFORE BECAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE. WE'VE BEEN REALLY LUCKY WITH THE PERSON THAT PULLED OUT. AND THEN WHEN THEY TRIED TO STOP HER, SHE SPED UP. RIGHT. THIS IS DANGEROUS STUFF. AND THAT'S WITHIN THE BARRICADES. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO COME HOME AND THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT LATE, BUT THEY THEY JUST WANT TO GET INTO THEIR DRIVEWAY. YEAH. BUT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT THE TOWN ATTORNEY HAS, UM, WORKED ON BASICALLY AN INDEMNIFICATION CLAUSE THAT, UM, I DON'T THINK YOU REQUIRE INSURANCE ANYMORE. RIGHT.

I HAVE NEVER SPECIFICALLY. STATED THAT INSURANCE WAS REQUIRED. I SAID I'D LOOK INTO IT, BUT THAT THE INDEMNIFICATION CLAUSE, WHICH WAS REQUESTED FROM PD AND THE CLERK'S OFFICE, MADE SENSE AND WAS A GOOD POLICY TO HAVE IN PLACE. SO WE'RE NOT REQUESTING INSURANCE POLICIES THIS YEAR. CAN WE MAKE.

THAT. HOWEVER IT MAY BE? IT MAY BE IN THEIR INTEREST. TO JUST SAY.

YES, WE ARE. WELL, SHE DOESN'T DETERMINE THAT. NO, I KNOW, BUT SHE JUST SAID IT. SO THIS IS WHY WE SHOULD. BUT THAT'S NOT THE REASON TO INTERRUPT ME. I.

I'M PROPOSING THE INDEMNIFICATION RIGHT.

THE INDEMNIFICATION CLAUSE NOW BECAUSE OF THE INDEMNIFICATION CLAUSE, THEY MIGHT WANT TO HAVE INSURANCE BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S ON THEM. SO IT MIGHT BE IN THEIR BEST INTEREST TO HAVE INSURANCE, BUT WE'RE NOT REQUIRING IT.

OKAY. BUT IT'S JUST A TOWN SPONSOR.

I'VE BEEN WAITING. TO SEE.

YOU KNOW. YOU ALWAYS INTERRUPT ME CONSTANTLY EVERY TIME I WENT OUT.

SO TALK. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, I THINK THAT FOR THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW, WE ARE RIGHT UPON HALLOWEEN, SO WE HAVE TO. I THINK, RESPECT PLANS OF PEOPLE OF RESIDENTS HAVE ALREADY MADE FOR THIS YEAR AND MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE TO BE AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE. BUT I THINK THAT GOING FORWARD, I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THAT UNLESS IT'S AN ACTUAL EVENT, LIKE A PARADE, I DON'T THINK TRICK OR TREATING SHOULD BE CONTAINED ON STREETS WITH BARRICADES. TRICK OR TREATING IS A PUBLIC EVENT. IT'S NOT AN EVENT. IT'S A PUBLIC ACTIVITY.

IF YOU WANT TO HAVE AN EVENT, THERE ARE SCHOOLS WHERE WE COULD HAVE TRICK OR TREATING. PEOPLE CAN GO THERE. THERE'S NO ISSUE THEN OF CLOSING OFF STREET OCTOBERFEST.

WHAT SPOOK TOBER. FEST EXACTLY. UM, AND I THINK WE HAVE TO MAYBE LOOK AT THIS IN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WAY

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AND THAT ALSO WOULD, UM, ALLEVIATE THIS THING ABOUT HAVING IT BE AN ATTRACTOR FOR PEOPLE WITH BAD INTENT OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE THERE WOULDN'T BE A THING. NOW THERE'S A PARADE THAT'S DIFFERENT, LIKE A SPECIFIC PARADE, AND THAT'S USUALLY EARLIER IN THE DAY. UM, AND THEN THEY DO THEIR TRICK OR TREATING AFTER. SO I THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING TOWARDS GOING FORWARD.

BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE I WANT TO UNDERSTAND BETTER WHAT WE'RE DOING THIS YEAR BECAUSE I'M NOT CLEAR.

I THINK I THINK THAT WE SHOULD NOT REQUIRE THE INDEMNIFICATION CLAUSE. AND I THINK THAT BASICALLY THE TOWN BOARD, THE TOWN SHOULD SAY WE'RE SPONSORING IT, JUST LIKE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE HAVE SOMETHING AT THE THEATER YOUNG COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH IS A FABULOUS PROGRAM. THE TOWN SPONSORS IT TO TOWN PROGRAM, THE TOWN I ATTENDED EVERY YEAR.

AND THEY GET A LOT OF PEOPLE. IT'S THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, AT THE CENTER AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S HUNDREDS OF KIDS AND PARENTS WHO ATTEND. I FEEL THAT, UH, FOR THIS YEAR, WE SHOULD BASICALLY SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A TOWN SPONSORED EVENT.

WE'RE ENCOURAGING STREETS TO BE CLOSED. I THINK IT'S MUCH SAFER, UM, FOR FOR, UH, FOR CHILDREN TO BE, UM, UH, NOT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT THE CARS. I THINK THAT IT'S SAFER WHERE THEY THEY DON'T HAVE TO, UM, RING DOORBELLS BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE, UM, LEAVE THE TRUCK LIGHTS OUTSIDE THEIR HOMES SO THEY DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT KNOCKING ON DOORS OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE. IF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO PARTICIPATE, THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE OUTSIDE. AND MOST PEOPLE, MOST OF THE KIDS AREN'T GOING TO, YOU KNOW, GO UP TO THEIR THEIR HOMES. AND, YOU KNOW. I THINK THEY'RE NOT TRICK OR TREATING WHEN THE STREETS ARE CLOSED.

WHEN THE STREETS ARE CLOSED, MOST LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE STREETS ON OFF JULIUS ROAD, MOST PEOPLE LEAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY STAY OUTSIDE AND THEY LEAVE, YOU KNOW, AND PEOPLE JUST GO UP TO THE CURB AND THAT'S WHERE THEY GET, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CHOCOLATES, UM, THE SAME, YOU KNOW, WHEN I'VE GONE TO THE PARKWAY HOMES AND THE PARKWAY GARDENS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIG HILL. IT'S THE SAME TYPE OF THING. UM, SO I SORT OF FEEL THAT IF THE TOWN WOULD SAY WE'RE SPONSORING IT, WE'RE NOT MAKING IT. IT'S ONLY TWO WEEKS. A COUPLE OF WEEKS.

LEFT THE QUESTION, WHY. WOULD YOU? WHAT'S YOUR REASONING FOR NOT HAVING AN INDEMNIFICATION? IT'S NOT ASKING ANYONE TO GET INSURANCE OR ANYTHING BECAUSE.

BECAUSE I FEEL THAT RIGHT NOW, UH, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING THIS RATHER THAN DOING ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO DISCOURAGE. WHAT'S DISCOURAGING ABOUT. AND.

WELL, YOU INDICATED TO ME THAT IF THEY SIGNED OUT, THEN THERE'S MORE THAN THERE'S MORE, YOU KNOW, LIABILITY ON THAT.

BUT IT'LL ALSO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE MAKING SURE THOSE BARRIERS DON'T GET MOVED. WELL, I DON'T.

THINK THAT PUTTING THE BURDEN ONTO.

THAT, BUT. LET'S BE VERY CLEAR, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SAY THIS, BUT I WILL. WE ARE VERY CLOSE TO NOT HAVING INSURANCE IN THIS TOWN BECAUSE OUR LIABILITIES ARE SO HIGH AND NOT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS WE TAKE WHAT OUR POLICE CHIEF HAS IDENTIFIED SERIOUS LIABILITY ISSUES WITH THESE HALLOWEEN. AND THIS HAPPENED. IT MAY HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, BUT IT DEFINITELY WAS LAST YEAR. AND WE WERE SITTING AT THIS TABLE WHEN THERE WAS A SUGGESTION.

LET'S ASK THE VILLAGES FOR MORE BARRICADES SO WE CAN BRING THEM IN TO THE UNINCORPORATED AREA SO WE CAN HAVE EVEN MORE STREET CLOSINGS. AT THE SAME TIME. AND IT'S A STRAIN ON OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT'S A STRAIN. ON I'M HAVING TROUBLE HEARING YOU. IT'S A.

STRAIN. I'LL SPEAK LOUDER HERE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A STRAIN ON OUR TRAFFIC DIVISION, BECAUSE THESE BARRICADES DON'T JUST MAGICALLY BY AMAZON BE DRONED OVER AND DROPPED OR REMOVED. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO SHOW OUR INSURANCE COMPANIES ONLY ONE INSURANCE COMPANY BID. AND IF THAT COMPANY DIDN'T BID, WE WOULD HAVE NO INSURANCE. I DON'T THINK THAT. YOU'RE IN DANGER OF HAVING NO INSURANCE. YEAH. INTERRUPTING.

DIDN'T KNOW. I DIDN'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.

I DIDN'T INTERRUPT YOU. WELL, THE IF THAT INSURANCE COMPANY DIDN'T DID, WE'D HAVE NO INSURANCE. AND EVERY CLAIM THAT COMES IN OUR TAXPAYERS WHEN WE SAY THE TOWN HAS TO PAY. NO, IT'S THE TAXPAYERS THAT HAVE TO PAY. SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, BUT MOSTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO ASK FOR A STREET CLOSING ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THERE'S A RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE THAT SAFE AND NOT LEAVE IT TO, HEY, THERE'S SOME WOODEN BARRICADES LAID ON THE SIDE OF SOMEBODY'S LAWN. YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY YOU PUT THEM UP BEFORE THE THING STARTS. HOPEFULLY YOU TAKE THEM DOWN LATER AND HOPEFULLY NOBODY MOVES IT. AND FRANKLY, THAT'S A LIABILITY. I DON'T THINK ANY INSURANCE COMPANY WANTS US TO

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TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY POLICING, POLICING EARLIER, THAT'S A RESPONSIBILITY OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS. BUT IT'S ALSO A RESPONSIBILITY, AS I INTERPRET IT, OF OUR COMMUNITY.

THAT'S COMMUNITY. WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER. AND SO, UH, WHICH YOU'RE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF. SO I, I PERCEIVE THIS AS A WAY FOR US ALL TO BE TAKING ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF MAKING SURE OUR COMMUNITY IS SAFE. WE HAVE, LIKE OCTOBERFEST, WHICH WE'RE HAVING THIS SATURDAY. RIGHT. AND THAT'S THE TOWN SPONSORS. AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF KIDS, LET ME JUST SAY, WITHOUT INTERRUPTING YOU, YOU SO MUCH. AND SO, SO BASICALLY, UH, WE HAVE OCTOBERFEST OF THE TOWN SPONSORS. WE HAVE THE THEATER YOUNG COMMUNITY CENTER THAT THE TOWN SPONSORS.

HALLOWEEN IS A SPECIAL NIGHT THAT A LOT OF, UH, CHILDREN ALL OVER THE WORLD, YOU KNOW, LOOK FORWARD TO. AND ALL OVER THE TOWN LOOK FOR IT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO. AND I SORT OF FEEL THAT IF WE SAID, YOU KNOW, THE FOR THE HANDFUL OF, YOU KNOW, MAJOR STREET CLOSURES, WHETHER IT'S AN EDGE MONEY IRVINGTON, UM, PARKWAY GARDENS, UM, ON OFF SEEKER ROAD AND HARTSDALE.

THERE'S THERE'S SOME REALLY EXCELLENT ONES. I FEEL WE SHOULD JUST SAY THIS IS A TOWN SPONSORED, UM, PROGRAM, JUST LIKE. NO, BUT BUT I. THINK ALL OF THE EXAMPLES THAT YOU HAVE JUST SHOWN ARE THE EXAMPLES OF EVENTS HAPPENING BEHIND GATES, BEHIND ON CAMPUSES, NOT ON PHYSICAL STREETS, NOT IN FRONT OF PEOPLE'S HOMES.

THE TOWN. STAFF RUN BIKES. SO SO WE WE DON'T AGAIN, I THINK WHAT EVERYONE IS TRYING TO SAY HERE THAT WE DO NOT MIX ORANGE AND APPLES HERE. IT'S TWO SEPARATE TYPE OF AN EVENT. YOU HAVE AN EVENT THAT'S IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU'RE WALKING ON STREETS, AND YOU HAVE ANOTHER TYPE OF EVENT THAT'S ON CAMPUSES, ONE THAT'S ON HARTSVILLE GROVE. AND WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE? WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE? THE AND ONE AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH IS OFF CAMPUS, WHICH IS NOT IN A ROAD. SO WHEN YOU GIVE THE EXAMPLES, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY MAKE SURE THAT THEY MATCH UP TO WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DESCRIBE, BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT, TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. THE THING THAT I THE LAST THING I'M GOING TO SAY, AND THEN I'LL KEEP QUIET IS I JUST KNOW THAT THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE REALLY LOOKED FORWARD TO, UM, THESE EVENTS. AND I THINK THAT IF THEY'RE CANCELED, I THINK IT REALLY WILL BE VERY. VERY SUGGESTING. YOU CAN'T SAY, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE IT AWAY. WE JUST WANT THEM PEOPLE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR FOR. BUT ALONG WITH.

US, LET ME JUST SAY ONE LAST THING. WHEN WE WERE HAVING THE OPENING OF THE SUPERMARKET, UM, IN, IN THE HARTSDALE VILLAGE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD NOT ACCEPT US PUTTING BARRICADES UP FOR PEOPLE THAT WERE GOING TO BE STANDING IN THE STREET. WE BROUGHT IN CONCRETE JERSEY BARRIERS TO HELP PEOPLE, TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM GETTING HIT. THAT'S NOT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THESE STREET CLOSINGS. WE DID NOT ALLOW THAT PLACE TO OPEN UNTIL A WHOLE SERIES OF JERSEY BARRIERS WERE BROUGHT, SO THAT NOBODY IN THE STREET WOULD GET HIT. AND I THINK IF WE'RE PROTECTING ADULTS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE PROTECT.

OUR CHILDREN. AND HAVING SAID ABOUT THE STREET CLOSINGS, UM, IT'S A TRADITION, JOYCE ROAD. IT'S NOT JUST THE CHILDREN HAVE A GREAT TIME, IT'S THE ADULTS. YOU GET SOME FOOLISH PEOPLE WALKING AROUND IN A DINOSAUR'S OUTRAGE.

WHICH NOT JUST JOYCE. IT'S A GOOD THING THAT YOU'VE SEEN IT. I THINK YOU'VE SEEN IT.

UM, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE, UM, KEN JONES GOING AROUND IN AN OUTFIT AND YOU WOULD NEVER RECOGNIZE IT'S HIM UNTIL HE TELLS YOU IT'S ME. SO IT'S FOR ADULTS AS WELL. AND IT'S A GREAT WAY.

GENERATIONAL WAY OF GETTING TOGETHER. AND BUT SOMEHOW WE CAN'T BE BLIND, BLINDED TO THE REALITIES OF. THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO HAVE ILL WILL. THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT WITH ALL GOOD INTENTIONS, THEY JUST WANT TO GET IN. AND, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU'RE DOING. SO I THINK YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE IT SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE ASK FOR THESE STREET CLOSINGS, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S ALSO A RESPONSIBILITY AND GET PEOPLE TO STAND THERE AT EACH ONE OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS AND NOT HAVE THOSE THOSE BARRIERS MOVE.

IF I MAY. ADD.

UH. JOE.

CAN YOU DO ME A FAVOR AND. CAN YOU JUST READ THROUGH THE INDEMNITY ACTION STATEMENT AND THEN I CAN ADDRESS WHAT YOU WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT THE CERTIFICATE OF INSURANCE? OKAY. UH.

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ALL RIGHT. THERE'S A SLIGHT UPDATE SINCE YOU SAW IT, SO I'LL READ THE WHOLE THING. OKAY. OF COURSE. IT'S PURSUANT TO ADOPTION BY THE TOWN BOARD. I CAN'T UNILATERALLY MAKE THIS INDEMNIFICATION CLAUSE, BUT THIS IS WHAT I'M PROPOSING. THE UNDERSIGNED AGREE THAT THEY WILL MAINTAIN ALL RESPONSIBILITIES TO ENSURE A SAFE AND LEGAL STREET CLOSURE, AND SHALL INDEMNIFY AND HOLD HARMLESS THE TOWN, ITS OFFICIALS, EMPLOYEES AND AGENTS FROM ANY LIABILITY, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, CLAIMS, DAMAGES, LIABILITIES, LOSSES AND REASONABLE COSTS RESULTING FROM THE USE OF SAID TOWN STREET APPROVED BY THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, AND HEREBY WAIVE ALL RIGHTS OF SUBROGATION AGAINST THE TOWN OF GREENSBURG, ITS OFFICIALS, EMPLOYEES AND AGENTS, AND HEREBY CONFIRM THAT ALL BARRICADES SUPPLIED BY THE TOWN SHALL REMAIN IN PLACE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY OF THE EVENT. SO IT WAS THAT STATEMENT THAT THE EACH PERSON WHO REQUESTER WAS LIKE, WE'RE GOING TO GET INSURANCE. SO IT WAS NOT, LIKE YOU SAID, A REQUIREMENT. BUT BEING RESPONSIBLE, THE THE REQUESTERS. THEN WHERE DO WE GET INSURANCE, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH DO WE NEED IT FOR? AND THEN THAT'S HOW THAT THAT NEXT STEP CAME WITH THE INSURANCE.

HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. WE DID NOT REQUIRE IT. BUT THOSE THERE AND OF THOSE WHO REQUESTED EVERYBODY HAS UH PROVIDED A CERTIFICATE OF UH, INSURANCE EXCEPT FOR ONE OF ALL THE REQUESTERS. RIGHT. SO I AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THE HESITATION, BUT AGAIN, WE ARE SAFETY. SAFETY FIRST. AND THEN, UM, ENSURING THAT THERE'S, UH, NO OPEN LIABILITY TO THE TOWN.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

OF COURSE. I WOULD LIKE TO READ SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT'S BEEN WORKED ON TODAY. THE TOWN BOARD UNDERSTANDS THAT HALLOWEEN EVENTS ARE MEANT TO BRING FUN TO THOSE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY THE CHILDREN.

HOWEVER, WE ALSO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THOSE WHO PLAN EVENTS AND PUBLIC ROADWAY PROVIDE A SAFE, ROADWAY FREE FROM VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND A DUTY TO PROTECT THE TOWN FROM UNWANTED FINANCIAL LIABILITIES. AFTER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD IDENTIFIED POTENTIAL RISKS WITH THE CLOSURE OF STREETS USING THE TOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT, BARRICADES WITHOUT POLICE PRESENCE, POTENTIALLY EXPOSING PEDESTRIANS TO UNANTICIPATED VEHICULAR TRAFFIC IN A ROADWAY THOUGHT TO BE CLOSED, THE TOWN ATTORNEY WAS TASKED WITH CREATING AN INDEMNIFICATION CLAUSE TO ENCOURAGE EVENT ORGANIZERS TO BETTER PROTECT PEOPLE WALKING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND LIMIT THE TOWN'S LIABILITY ASSOCIATED WITH THESE TYPES OF EVENTS. IN NO WAY DOES THE TOWN BOARD WISH TO DECREASE THE NUMBER OF EVENTS OCCURRING WITHIN OUR BOUNDARIES, BUT WE RECOGNIZE THAT THESE EVENTS SHOULD OCCUR WITHIN CERTAIN PRECAUTIONS AND WITH CERTAIN PRECAUTIONS IN PLACE. WHILE THE TOWN PREFERS THAT THESE EVENTS WERE ALSO ENSURED BY THE ORGANIZERS, WE RECOGNIZED THAT THIS MAY NOT BE FEASIBLE AND THUS WILL NOT MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT. THE INDEMNIFICATION, HOWEVER, IS A MUST AND IS COMMON PRACTICE WITHIN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.

THE TOWN CONTINUES TO AMEND PAST PRACTICES IN AN ATTEMPT TO BETTER PROTECT RESIDENTS, DECREASE LIABILITIES, AND LIMIT TAX EXPOSURE, AND THEN IT GOES INTO THE IDENTIFICATION CLAUSE.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO.

THAT? WELL, I FIRST OF ALL, I WENT TO LAW SCHOOL. AND IF SOMEBODY GETS INJURED FROM ANY OF THESE THINGS, THEY STILL ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUE THE TOWN. UH, BECAUSE ISN'T THAT TRUE, JOE? YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S NOT.

YES, BUT IT WILL BE A DEFENSE OF THE TOWN TO HAVE THIS SIGNED. I DON'T WRITE BECAUSE I REMEMBER THIS IS WHAT I REMEMBER IN LAW SCHOOL, YOU KNOW? YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY THINK IT'S GOING TO. I THINK THAT BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE DISCOURAGING. UM, YOU KNOW, THESE EVENTS FROM HAPPENING. AND I FEEL THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T DO IT IN THE PAST. AND THERE WAS NEVER, YOU KNOW, PROBLEM. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A SHAME IF WE IF SOME OF THESE, UH, HALLOWEEN CLOSURES DON'T, DON'T HAPPEN BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE DISCOURAGING HAPPENING.

IT HASN'T. WHAT ONE, ONE. THERE'S ONE WITH.

JOE'S OR SOME. WHICH I THINK THE POLICE CHIEF CAN ANSWER TO THAT. I THINK IT WAS A MATTER OF HAVING THE THE PERSONNEL IN A MATTER OF HAVING. OKAY, WELL, WE'LL.

SEE THE BACK. I MEAN, THEY'VE THEY'VE ALL BEEN TO MY KNOWLEDGE, JUMP IN. IF I APPROVED. AND THERE'S

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REMEMBER THAT WAS THE NUMBER 12.

IT ONE. IS UH, IS THE ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, GETS THE LARGEST TURNOUT. I HAVE A QUESTION FROM MADAM CLERK. WHO WHO DID YOU SAY DID NOT? WHICH ONE DID NOT? I'M GOING TO BE. VERY HONEST. I WANT TO SAY.

I WON'T SPECULATE. WHY NOT? AT LEAST TWO IN EDGEMONT THAT HAVEN'T AGREED TO IT YET.

HAVE NOT? YES. OKAY. SO THEN IT'S THIS ONE.

OKAY. SO THEN ONE. ONE IS THE ONE. YOU'RE YOUR ONE. YOU'RE SPEAKING. OF LONGVIEW AND COTSWOLD.

COTSWOLD. ROAD.

I THOUGHT YOU HAVE ENJOYED. WELL, THE SEC IS WE HAVE INSURANCE. WE HAVE NOT AGREED TO APPLY IT OKAY TO THIS. OKAY.

WE APPLIED IT TO OUR HALLOWEEN PARADE, WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM THESE ARE TRADING EVENTS, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND THAT WAS THE DISTINCTION I WAS MAKING THAT RIGHT. TRICK OR TREATING IS NOT AN EVENT LIKE A PARADE. IT'S IT'S A PUBLIC ACTIVITY. SO I THINK WE WOULD HAVE A LOT OF THESE PROBLEMS IF WE LOOK AT IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY, MAYBE NEXT YEAR. THANK YOU, DYLAN, FOR THE CLASS CLARIFICATION. AND TO THE EXTENT THAT DCC HAS SUBMITTED OUR INSURANCE TO THE TOWN, THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY, UM, I THINK ON A CASE FOR SURE. OKAY.

I GIVE YOU MY CHAIR SPEAKING, THOUGH, I'LL JUST I WILL GIVE YOU. MY STAND. UM. YEAH. I THINK TO THE EXTENT THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED OUR INSURANCE FOR THE HALLOWEEN PARADE, UM, I THINK ON, ON AN EVENT BY EVENT BASIS, ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY DURING THIS TRANSITION. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BLANKET. UH, BLANKET. CONSENT TO APPLY THE INSURANCE TO TO ANY TRICK OR TREATING OR TO ANY EVENT. WE DO. AND I THINK ESPECIALLY THE TRICK OR TREATING, I THINK THERE IS A NUANCE TO WORK OUT BETWEEN WHAT IS A COMMUNITY ACTIVITY AND WHAT IS AN EVENT THAT IS SORT OF ACTIVELY GATHERING PEOPLE TOGETHER JUST FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF A BLOCK PARTY OR OR A PARADE OR A TREE LIGHTING OR SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY INTENTIONAL. UM, BUT YEAH. SO AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT LONGVIEW AND COTSWOLD HAS NOT, UH, APPLIED THE INSURANCE POLICY OR ANY INSURANCE POLICY TO THOSE TRICK OR TREATING EVENTS YET. OKAY. ONCE AGAIN, I WAS ONLY.

AWARE OF ONE. FOR THEM TO APPLY. IT WAS JUST DRAFTED AS. TODAY.

WELL, SO WE WERE ASKED FOR INSURANCE EARLIER. EARLIER, LATER LAST WEEK? YES. THESE OTHER ONES.

ALL RIGHT. SO IN TERMS OF.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET INSURANCE NOW.

RIGHT. I THINK THEY'LL HAVE TO DECIDE. WE'LL HAVE TO DECIDE IF THE INDEMNIFICATION IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH. UM. WELL, YOU SEE, THAT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THEY NOT MIGHT NOT WANT TO INDEMNIFY US.

AT THE SAME TIME, THEY'LL SAY THERE'S NOTHING EVER HAPPENS AT THESE THINGS. EVERYTHING'S FINE. RIGHT? BUT WHEN YOU WHEN WHEN YOU'RE NOW PUT IN A RESPONSIBLE POSITION OF RESPONSIBILITY, NOW YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE THINGS LIKE WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'M LOOKING AT IS I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE INSURANCE COVERAGE CORRECT.

I WILL SAY, UM. JUST TAKE THE WHOLE THING.

SURE. TO TO COUNCILWOMAN HENDRICKS, POINT ABOUT NOTICING I KNOW SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED WITH ROAD CLOSURES, HALLOWEEN PARTICULARLY, BUT REALLY ALL OF THE ROAD CLOSURES THAT WE MIGHT DO THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, NOTICING HAS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE I HAVE NOT BEEN AWARE OF, OF AN EXPLICIT NOTICING REQUIREMENT. UM, WHAT WHAT MAY BE HELPFUL, SIMILAR TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT AN APPLICANT WOULD DO WITH THE PLANNING BOARD OR THE ZONING BOARD WHEN THEY GET A LABEL SHEET AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO NOTICE? I THINK IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO CONSIDER WHEN YOU HAVE A ROAD CLOSURE APPROVAL TO PROVIDE A LABEL SHEET AND REQUIRE THE REQUESTER TO SEND A POSTCARD OR SEND SOME SORT OF NOTICE. AND I THINK THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY FOR HALLOWEEN, BUT WOULD REALLY GO A LONG WAY FOR FOR EVERY ROAD CLOSURE THAT OCCURS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR..

THERE'S AN EXPENSE TO THAT. I MEAN.

WELL, AND THAT'S UP TO THE THAT'S UP TO THE REQUESTER TO DETERMINE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT.

OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. RIGHT. YEAH. YOU COULD EASILY GET.

UM. A REAM OF PAPER, YOU KNOW, PRINT OUT NOTICES. RIGHT. IT'S USUALLY A REQUIREMENT FOR NOISE WAIVERS. AND THAT USUALLY ACCOMPANIES THE NOTICES. A REQUIREMENT FOR A, UM, UH, FILMING OR SOMETHING TO THAT NATURE. BUT, UH, THAT IS NOT A PROBLEM FOR US TO INCORPORATE. I'M NOTICING. NO, I'M SUGGESTING THE NEIGHBORHOODS DO THE NOTICING, NOT US.

YES. NO. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S THAT'S A PART OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR, UM, FILMING. RIGHT. IT'S A OKAY.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE, UH, MAYBE ONE OF THE. I JUST HAD AN IDEA.

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NO. NO, I'M SAYING.

YOU'RE NOW TALKING ABOUT. IT.

NO, WE'RE WE'RE CHARGING THEM. WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CHARGING. THEY BASICALLY WANT TO COME TO GREENBURG. AND BASICALLY THEY'RE INCONVENIENCING, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS, UH, WHEN THEY WHEN THEY SHOW UP AT THE SAME TIME, MANY TIMES WHEN THEY COME, WHEN THEY COME IN TO THE COMMUNITY, THEY SAY, WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE COMMUNITY, LIKE THEY'RE RIGHT NOW. UH, THEY WERE HELPING THE LIBRARY, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR. SO I'M SAYING IF WE HAD A SPECIAL HALLOWEEN, FESTIVITIES AND WE HAD, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAD, UH, NON TAXPAYER DOLLARS PAYING FOR THE, UM, THE INSURANCE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT GOING FORWARD, THANKS TO THE FILM, FILM PRODUCTIONS THAT WE DO, YOU KNOW, COULD.

HAVE WE MOVE ON TO THE BUDGET FOR THE BUDGET PART.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. WE HAVE THE WE HAVE THE TOWN ATTORNEY. THANK YOU SO MUCH, GENTLEMEN. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU GUYS. WELCOME. GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE.

GOOD NIGHT. UM. THANK YOU.

KNOW. PUT IT ON YOU. OH.

I THOUGHT. THERE WAS ONLY ONE COPY.

NO FILMING FEES. WORK. HERE. THIS ONE? YEAH.

OKAY. THANKS. OKAY. OH, THIS IS MY.

YOU OKAY? SO I JUST HANDED MY BUDGET AROUND. I THOUGHT IT WAS IN YOUR PACKET ALREADY, BUT I'M HAPPY I PRINTED OUT EXTRAS. UM, SO IF YOU GO UP AND DOWN MY BUDGET, YOU'LL SEE MOST LINE ITEMS STAY CONSISTENT WITH THE 2026 ORIGINAL BUDGET AND THE 2026 REQUESTED ACTUALS, EXCEPT FOR A FEW. SO I'LL GO THROUGH THEM AT THIS TIME. UM, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SALARY LINE, WHICH IS THE TOP LINE, YOU'LL SEE THERE IS LESS THAN A 3% INCREASE THERE. AND THAT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE DONE SOME RESTRUCTURING WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. UM, SHIFTED SOME RESPONSIBILITIES AND HAVE DECREASED THE NUMBER OF POSITIONS NEEDED IN THE DEPARTMENT. WHEN THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES SHIFT. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A PART TIME PARALEGAL RIGHT NOW. UM, NEXT YEAR WE ARE ANTICIPATING EVEN LESS PART TIME WORK FOR THE PARALEGAL. AND SOME OF THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES TO BE SHIFTED TO OUR CLAIM SPECIALIST AND THE CONFIDENTIAL SECRETARY. UM, IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE FOURTH LINE, WHICH IS PART TIME, YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT IS A SUBSTANTIAL DECREASE AS WELL, BASED ON THAT SHIFTING OF RESPONSIBILITIES.

UH, WE DO FIND IT IS SOMEWHAT OF A STRUGGLE TO KEEP UP WITH THE CONSTANT AMOUNT OF CASES WE HAVE. AND, UM, I THINK SOME PEOPLE EXPLOITING THE USES OF, OF AI AND OTHER TECHNOLOGY TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF WORK WE'RE GETTING. HOWEVER, WE ALSO HAVE FOUND THAT IT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT TO FIND PEOPLE WITH MUNICIPAL EXPERIENCE WHO WE BELIEVE WE CAN TRUST, AND WE DON'T WANT TO INCREASE THE LIABILITIES BY SOMEWHAT BRINGING SOMEONE IN. WE DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE. SO, UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH OUR LEGAL TEAM AS CURRENTLY SITUATED, SO THAT'S WHY WE TRIED TO DO SOME RESTRUCTURING TO NOT ONLY KEEP THE COSTS AT THE CURRENT LEVEL, BUT TO ACTUALLY DECREASE THEM MOVING FORWARD. UM, IF YOU GO DOWN A FEW MORE LINES, I THINK IT'S THE SEVENTH OR EIGHTH LINE LAW BOOKS. YOU'LL SEE, JUST BASED ON PERCENTAGE WISE, A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE. WE REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH OF A SAY IN THAT WE NEED WHAT WE NEED. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR MORE ITEMS. IT'S JUST THE WAY OF THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. WITH EVERYTHING INCREASING IN COSTS. UM, ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT INCREASE. IT'S ABOUT THREE QUARTERS DOWN THE PAGE.

PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, TAX, FORECLOSURES. WE HAVE DETERMINED, AND THIS HAS BEEN PART OF OUR DISCUSSION THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, THAT IT WAS MORE WORK THAN WE WERE ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATING, BASED ON PAST DEFECTS AND BASED ON THE RIGID REQUIREMENTS OF THE REAL PROPERTY TAX LAW. ARTICLE 11. UM, I BELIEVE THE NUMBER I PUT IN THERE IS A FAIR ESTIMATE MOVING FORWARD, EVEN WHEN YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT INCREASE. UM, IF YOU ADD THAT TO THE PART TIME LINE AND THE SALARY LINE, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT A DECREASE FROM THE 2026 TO 2027 BUDGET YEAR. SO THAT IS FOR THE CONSULTANT.

THAT IS FOR OUR ATTORNEY OF COUNSEL. YES. WHITEMAN OSTERMAN. DYLAN HARRIS HAS PRESENTED A FEW TIMES. THAT IS FOR THEIR FIRM TO CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE GOAL OF

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RIGHT. IF WE WERE TO STAFF UP TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, IT WOULD BE CONSIDERABLY MORE OR EQUAL TO THAT AMOUNT, ROUGHLY.

I WOULD EXPECT. YES. I, I COULD NOT THINK OF A WAY TO HAVE SOMEONE EXPERIENCED ENOUGH TO COME IN TO COST LESS THAN THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY, RIGHT? YEAH. ARTICLE 11 HIGHLY, HIGHLY DETAILED, HIGHLY SPECIFIC. YOU MESS UP ONE AREA. THE ENTIRE PETITION FOR THAT PROPERTY IS, UM, IS GONE.

SO SO WE'VE HAD THIS AT THE HAD THAT DISCUSSION BEFORE THAT IT IS NOT ULTIMATELY AN ADDITIONAL COST TO THE TOWN THAT IN FACT, IT MIGHT EVEN COST MORE IF YOU WERE TO HAVE SOMEONE ON STAFF.

I BELIEVE IT WOULD COST MORE. AND ALSO TO HAVE SOMEWHAT HIGHER AMOUNT TO THESE PROFESSIONALS ENSURES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE COLLECTING MORE AND HOPEFULLY UNDO THE MAJOR ISSUE THAT WAS IN THE FORENSIC AUDIT FROM EARLIER THIS YEAR. AND TO NOT HAVE THAT, UH, THOSE PAYMENTS ADD UP OVER TIME. WHICH ULTIMATELY THAT SHOULD DICTATE THAT WITHIN A X AMOUNT OF YEARS TIME, WE WON'T HAVE AS GREAT AN EXPENDITURE BECAUSE IT WILL BE MANAGED.

THAT IS CORRECT. AND THERE WILL BE HOPEFULLY. YEAH, QUICKER TURNAROUND FOR THOSE FORECLOSURES. UM, HOPEFULLY NOW THAT THE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE BEEN TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE SITUATION SEE THAT THE TOWN IS SERIOUS ABOUT COLLECTING THESE MONIES, ALSO DECIDE NOT TO RISK IT AND TO HAVE THOSE INTEREST AND PENALTIES BUILD UP SO GREATLY OVER THE YEARS AS WELL.

DOES THIS INCLUDE THE AUCTION HOUSE ITSELF? THE AUCTIONS? THE AUCTIONEERS ARE PAID WHEN THE AUCTIONS OCCUR. SO NO, IT'S NOT COMING OUT FROM THE TOWN'S OPERATION.

OPERATIONAL BUDGET. IT'S COMING OUT OF THE SALES NUMBERS.

SALES FIGURES PART OF THE BID? YES.

EXACTLY. WE HAVE. YEAH. VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. AGENDA REVIEW.

I'LL BE SENDING A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR, UH, REVEREND LAMONT GRANBY, WHO SUDDENLY PASSED AWAY LAST WEEK. YEAH.

UM, SO WE CONTINUE TO KEEP HIM ON THE AGENDA. HE KEEP HIS.

I'M SORRY. HERE. I DON'T THINK.

WE'VE GIVEN UP. GO ON. UM, SO WE WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE WE KEEP HIS FAMILY. AND, UM, HE WAS A BIG, BIG PILLAR IN THE COMMUNITY. SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP HIS FAMILY AND. AND EVERYONE WHO KNEW HIM IN OUR PRAYERS. SO YOU'RE ADDING THAT INTO THE.

YEAH. YES.

OKAY, SO HOLLY KNOWS. THAT. NO, I'M EXTENDED. AND WHEN I GET A CHANGE, OKAY. I'M ASKING THAT PO TWO IS HELD OVER. BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, WE'RE STARTING AT SEVEN. JUST LETTING PEOPLE KNOW FOR HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH. 7 P.M. START. UM, I'M ASKING THAT YOU HOLD OVER PO TWO BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT FINALIZED THE AGREEMENT. WE EXPECT IT WILL BE FINALIZED BY THE OCTOBER 28TH MEETING. AND WE'RE HOLDING OVER THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ONE. LAWRENCE.

AS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT. YES.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO HOLD OFF ALSO ON THE CITY. UM, IT'S NOT.

ON. CITY.

I'M SORRY. WHAT DID YOU SAY, AL? WHAT DID YOU SAY? CITY. YOU WANT TO DO WHAT.

YOU KNOW? YEAH.

YEAH, TECHNICALLY, ACCORDING TO THE RULES AND PROCEDURES, YOU CAN ONLY HOLD IT OVER ONCE. WHAT DO YOU WANT? TO HOLD.

IT OVER, RIGHT. BECAUSE THERE WAS ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE THAT, UM, THAT GARRETT.

WAS EXPLORING. BUT HE'S GOING TO BE ON VACATION, SO IT'S NOT.

CAN HE. PULL IT? WELL, WOULD.

YOU. WANT TO DO IT? MUNICIPALLY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT NUMBER THAT IS. WELL, IT'LL.

BE IT'D BE A. MAJOR SWITCH OVER.

YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S. YEAH. WE GOTTA REMEMBER IT GOES A LOT INTO IT GOES A LOT INTO CHANGING OVER. SO YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE TALKING TO OUR CITIZENS. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT THE LAST TIME. SO YEAH. NO I KNOW, BUT IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WILL ACHIEVE THE SAME THING AND MORE AND WILL COST WILL NOT BE AT A HUGE COST IF IT IS FUNCTIONALLY WORKABLE WITH THE SYSTEM, THEN IT WAS A POSSIBILITY THAT HE WAS GOING

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NEW. IT'S NOT HE WANTS. HE'S EXPLORING IT. HE DOESN'T NECESSARILY WANT, BUT HE'S WILLING TO. HE'S DID HE HAVE OTHER CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS WHO WILL BE UTILIZING THIS? SO THAT WAS THE PROBLEM.

BECAUSE HE DID NOT HAVE IT AND HE'S GOING ON VACATION.

OKAY. I MEAN WE CAN'T. KEEP THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH HIS HOLDING IT OVER BECAUSE THE ONLY PERSON THIS AFFECTS IS HIS DEPARTMENT, RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO ADD HIM INTO IT, RIGHT? HE WANTS IT HELD OVER.

YES. OKAY.

OKAY. SHOULD WE DO THIS AS IS OR DO WE DO THAT? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I THINK. I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CODE.

OKAY. IF THAT'S WHAT WE DO. OKAY.

I THINK. IT IS. I THINK WE DO.

WE THINK. WE I THINK A POINT.

WELL, IT JUST SAYS, OKAY. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? CAN I BE PART OF THIS. DISCUSSION IS TO DO WE APPOINT THE CHAIR. OF THE OR.

OR JUST AS A MEMBER? THEIR DECISION TO MAKE WHAT ISN'T THEIR DECISION TO ELECT HIM AS CHAIR? WELL, THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT WORKS WITH OTHER BOARDS. I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. THAT CAN'T POSSIBLY BE.

RIGHT. OH, GOD. OKAY.

SO THE BOARD OF ETHICS ELECTS ITS OWN CHAIR AND SECRETARY.

ACCORDING TO THE CODE OF. ETHICS.

WE. WELL, YOU APPOINT, APPOINT. SO YOU DON'T APPOINT. WE'RE APPOINT.

AS A MEMBER. CHAIR. YOU REAPPOINT AS A MEMBER. YEAH.

RIGHT. AS FAR AS CHAIR. YES. YEAH. OKAY. JUST CLARIFYING.

DID YOU SAY W1 AND W2? YOU KNOW.

I HAVEN'T GOT THERE YET. OKAY. BECAUSE WE SHOULD REALLY HAVE THE ENGINEER. I'M ASKED I'M ASKED AND ASKED.

UM, WHAT'S THE AMENDMENT FOR. WHAT IS THE AMENDMENT TO THE LEASE.? AN ADDITIONAL INCREASE OF $200 PER MONTH. BUT ALSO. EXTENDING IT. BECAUSE IT EXPIRED? YES, A MONTH, A MONTH? YES. SO IT'LL EXTEND IT TO. IT'S UNFINISHED.

OH, OKAY. THAT'S GOOD.

SO ONE PARTY TERMINATES. YEAH. OKAY.

SO BEFORE IT HADN'T AN EXPIRATION DATE, BUT NOW IT'S GOING TO BE MONDAY OKAY. AND I DON'T THINK WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET A YEAR OUT OF IT. NO. UM TB FOR.

AND FOR THOSE LISTENING THAT IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT LEASES THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 200 TARRYTOWN ROAD. OKAY. FOR ABOUT, I WANT TO SAY A YEAR AND CHANGE SO.

FAR. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THIS MIGHT BE, JOE? A SINGLE PRIME BIDDER.

IS THAT A SOURCE? OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I'M NOT SURE I'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT.

THE CONTRACT. , SINGLE PRIME..

AND THE ONLY PLACE IT IS IS IN THE.

I DON'T RECALL SEEING THAT, BUT I'LL LOOK INTO IT.

ALSO ON THE EAST NORTH WASHINGTON AVENUE, IT TALKS ABOUT A BULK PAYMENT. DO WE PAY THEM UPFRONT. THAT GOES TO 30, 60, AND 90% COMPLETION? YEAH.

WHY WAS THE LUMP SUM. INTO A LUMP SUM.

BECAUSE IT SAYS LUMP SUM. NO, NO. WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT.

THAT'S NOT STANDARD RIGHT. THAT'S MY POINT. SO I'M TRYING TO FIND WHERE. I'VE BEEN NOTIFIED THAT FOR CL THREE, THE LONGVIEW CIVIC ASSOCIATION NO LONGER EXISTS.

AND IT SHOULD BE IC. GLENVILLE. WHEN DID GLENVILLE

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SCHEDULING A PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY, I'M NOT SURE YET. UM, OKAY. WHAT'S THAT FOR? 1028? I THINK IT'S OUR FEES.

WHAT? PROBABLY THEIR FEES FOR THEIR POLICE OFFICER THAT DOES THE PARKING METER.

PULL. DIDO. RIGHT? YES. WHAT IS IT? WHAT IS IT? NO. WHAT? IT SAYS FINE. IT SAYS RESOLUTION. UH, IT'S FOR AMENDMENTS TO THE HARTSDALE PARKING DISTRICT. AND SINCE SYLVIA'S 11, WE THOUGHT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY. WERE BETTER UPDATED REGULATIONS.

OKAY, OKAY. WELL, I DIDN'T LOOK TO SEE THE. I DIDN'T GET TO CHECK THE AGENDA YET, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS SHOWS THE BACKUP. UM, OKAY. YOU DIDN'T. YEAH, I DON'T, BUT I CAN'T I CAN'T HANG OUT WITH HIM TODAY.

WHAT'S A MINI BID? YEAH.

A MINI BED. THAT'S A BIG CHAIRMAN TERM.

IT'S AT THE CHAIRMAN. OH.

OKAY. OH, NO, THAT'S. THIS IS ABOUT THE. NO, NO, NO, THIS MINI BID IS FOR THE, UM, PO ONE. MM. SO I STILL HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT P1, ACTUALLY, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ACQUIRING PROPERTY. IT'S OWN. IT'S THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. PROPERTY. AND IT'S IN THE THE RIGHT OF WAY. I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE'S AN I STILL CANNOT GET AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION. WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? WHY WE'RE GOING TO PAY? UH, THIS ENGINEERING, UH, SURVEYING AND ENGINEERING COMPANY FOR PROPERTY THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING WITH AND WE DON'T NEED.

BUT WHAT IS THE SURVEYING FOR? THIS IS FOR THE NORTH WASHINGTON SAMPLE. WHAT IS THE SURVEYING FOR? WHAT ARE THEY SAYING? LAND ACQUISITION. WE DON'T NEED LAND ACQUISITION IS MY POINT. THE LAND IS OWNED BY THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, BUT IT SAYS PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.

SO THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. IS THAT NOT THAT NOT TESTING.

THAT'S TESTING. IT'S NOTHING TO DO.

WITH TESTING. THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT WAS.

THAT NOTHING. TO DO, IF I RECALL, THEY'RE GOING TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S A WAY TO THROUGH THEIR SURVEY TO NOT TAKE LAND. WHAT DO YOU MEAN TO NOT TAKE LAND? DO NOT TAKE LAND, NOT DO IT.

TAKE, UM, IN ORDER TO PUT THE SIDEWALK DOWN, I CAN LOOK IT UP, BUT THAT'S THAT'S. WELL, I'D LIKE TO GET CLARIFICATION OF THAT. LET'S SEE.

WHAT IS CD5 REFERRING TO ON WAREHOUSE LANE? I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THAT ONE PACKAGE.

HI, THIS IS GARRETT. UH, THAT'S A IMPROVEMENT TO THE PARKING LOT IN AN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. THAT'S A SITE PLAN AMENDMENT, REFERRAL TO PLANNING BOARD. OKAY, UM, BY WHAT ENTITY? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? UH, THE BUILDING OWNER. UH, YEAH. THAT BUILDING OWNER. WHO? WHICH BUILDING OWNER AND WAREHOUSE LANE.

OKAY, I WILL, UM, SHARE A MAP IN JUST A SECOND HERE.

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IT'S PRETTY. IT'S PRETTY LOW IMPACT IMPROVEMENT.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

JUST A COUPLE NOTES, WHILE, AGAIN, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ONE LAWRENCE STREET, WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL. I'M SORRY IF THIS WAS ALREADY DISCUSSED, BUT THEY QUICKLY ADJOURNED TILL OCTOBER 28TH. YES. WE SAW.

CD SIX. UH, JUST REQUEST A LITTLE MORE TIME BEFORE THAT MUNICH CITY. UH, RESOLUTIONS APPROVED. SO I WOULD ASK HOLLY TO REMOVE THAT AS WELL. WHAT? WHAT ARE.

WE DOING? SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROGRAM THAN MUNICH CITY CARROT. UM, NOT. I'M JUST ELLEN AND ASKED ME TO DO SOME DUE DILIGENCE ON ANOTHER PROGRAM THAT I BELIEVE WOULD POTENTIALLY SUPPLEMENT UNICITY.

UM. THOSE THAT ARE CURRENTLY USING IT, DO THEY WANT TO SWITCH? AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR MORE TIME. I JUST WANTED TO DISCUSS INTERNALLY. UM, THAT'S NOT MY UNDERSTANDING. NO. OKAY. UH, WHICH ONE WAS.

DID YOU. EVER QUIT? THANK YOU. GARRETT.

WHICH ONE? DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION.

ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT GARRETT'S QUESTION? NO, I. KNOW FOR, UM, BW ONE.

RIGHT OVER YOUR SHOULDER. I CAN'T I CAN'T SEE.

UH, THE AUTHORIZATION PROVIDED HEREIN SHALL NOT CONSTITUTE A DETERMINATION THAT ADDITIONAL PROPERTY ACQUISITION IS REQUIRED FOR THIS PROJECT. AND NO PROPERTY ACQUISITION SHALL BE UNDERTAKEN UNLESS AND UNTIL THE TOWN DETERMINES THAT SUCH ACQUISITION IS NECESSARY AND ANY REQUIRED APPROVALS ARE OBTAINED. UH, BUT IF WE GO TO THE. MIXING JOBS HERE.

WELL, OKAY, I HEAR YOU. UH.

DID YOU SAY WE'RE HOLDING OVER PO PO TWO? OH TWO. THE RED LIGHT CAMERAS? YEAH. WHY? WHY? NO, I THOUGHT I'M ASKING. I THOUGHT SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. NO. OKAY. OKAY.

PERCEPTION OPTIC. YES. YES, YES, THAT'S THE ONE I ASKED. SO HOLD OVER UNTIL OCTOBER 28TH.

YEAH. OKAY. TO FINALIZE THE LAST REMAINING ITEMS WITHIN THE CONTRACT. OKAY.

ANY CHANCE THIS IS GOING TO ACTUALLY HAPPEN BEFORE THE LEGISLATORS START THEIR SESSION IN JANUARY? UM. I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T. ANSWER THAT.

WELL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIGHTS. DO YOU HAVE ANY UPDATE ON THE OR. ISLEY ROAD? UH, FORT HILL, YOU KNOW, ROAD LIGHT BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WE TOLD PEOPLE WE WERE GOING TO GET THAT LIGHT, NOT ISLEY ROAD. YEAH. FORT HILL, YOU KNOW, THAT LIGHT NEVER. I MEAN, WE PROMISED PEOPLE IT WAS GOING TO BE DONE THIS YEAR. AND, YOU KNOW.

IS THAT THE CAMERA WE WERE JUST REFERRING TO? NOT THAT.

THIS BLINKING LIGHT ON ARDSLEY ROAD.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. IT'S ARDSLEY AND AND, UM, THE ONE IS ON FORT HILL. THIS IS WHY.

WERE WE. I DON'T HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. NO, THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A GARRETT QUESTION. RIGHT. OR NOW I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. YEAH, I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THAT.

BECAUSE THEY WERE SAYING YOUR OFFICE WAS DEALING WITH AN EASEMENT ISSUE. THAT'S WHAT. I'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO IT. OH, MAN. THAT MIGHT BE WORKING. PROPERTY OWNERS.

YEAH. THAT'S IT. YEAH. BECAUSE EVERY TIME I. YES.

ARE THERE THREE PROPERTY OWNERS.

AND THIS IT'S ILLEGAL BEFORE THE LEGAL ISN'T THAT YEAR. WHAT THEY SAID TO YOU. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR YOU UNLESS YOU'RE, UM. MIKE. COME ON.

UP. THEIR LEGAL.. WHY IS IT ILLEGAL.? SINCE IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, I HAVEN'T PREPARED, SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW. I'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO IT. OKAY.

YEAH. MY MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE.

I THINK. THAT'S ALL.

A LITTLE. ALL RIGHT. MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE THERE IS ONE POTENTIALLY TWO EASEMENTS THAT STILL NEED TO BE SIGNED BEFORE THE THE SIDEWALK WORK CAN MOVE FORWARD ASSOCIATED WITH THE, UH, THE SMART CAMERA AT THE INTERSECTION OF FORT HILL AND ARDSLEY ROAD.

YOU KNOW, IF THE OWNERS ARE STILL RESISTING IT OR IS IT.

UH, THAT I DON'T KNOW. IF POSSIBLE. OKAY. A TON OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT SAVING. I GET.

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OKAY? AND I THINK THAT. OKAY.

ARE YOU MAKING A. MOTION? MOTION? UM. YOU DIDN'T DECIDE ABOUT OUR LIAISON. MOTION FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSE OF. DISCUSSING EXACTLY RIGHT.

PERSONAL MATTER, WE SHOULD. SAY INVOLVING SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS AND TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE IN VARIOUS MATTERS. I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT. SECOND IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE. AND WE STARTED SEVEN TOMORROW

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