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AND WELCOME[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, December 2, 2020 – 5:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 8:00 p.m. ]
TO, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD'S MEETING OF WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER THE SECOND, 2020.I ASK THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER TO CALL THE, AND YOU CAN SHOW HERE, MR. GOLDEN.
WE'RE JUST WAITING ON MR. SNAG AT THE MOMENT, SO, UH, BUT I BELIEVE HE'S GOING TO BE JOINING US, SO WE'LL ASK THAT MATT ADMIT HIM AS SOON AS, UH, HE JOINS IN, PLEASE.
UH, I FIRST LIKE TO START OFF BY, UH, REMINDING, UH, EVERYONE THAT WE STILL HAVE A OPEN POSITION FOR ALTERNATE ON THE MINING BOARD.
UH, THOSE MEMBERS, ANY MEMBER OF, UH, THE TOWN WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED, I ASK YOU TO CONTACT, UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, GARRETT TAIN, AND HE WILL GIVE YOU ALL THAT INFORMATION NECESSARY TO BE CONSIDERED, UH, A FOR A, UH, AS THE ALTERNATE.
UH, I'D LIKE TO, THE NEXT THING I AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTE.
UM, I HAVE NO COMMENT ON THE MINUTES.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON MINUTES? I HAVE NO COMMENTS.
IF NOT, I, IF NOT, I ACCEPT MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
BY WHO? SECOND BY, UH, WHO? SECOND.
AND, AND, AND AS, AS USUAL, THE, THE MINUTES THAT ARE WRITTEN UP, UH, IS FIRST CLASS, AND, UH, IT'S VERY SELDOM DO WE HAVE A SERIOUS CORRECTION TO THE MINUTES.
AND, UH, I WANT TO COMPLIMENT MATT FOR HIS PERFORMANCE.
UH, IN GENERAL, BECAUSE OF ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS, I PROBABLY HAVE MORE CONTACT WITH MATT THAN ANYONE ELSE.
AND I, UH, HE'S BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT A YEAR, AND I HAVE TO SAY I'M VERY PLEASED WITH, UH, HIS CONTRIBUTION TO THE PLANNING BOARD WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT HE WAS, YOU KNOW, FRESH OUT OF SCHOOL WITH VERY LITTLE EXPERIENCE, CAME TO THE PLANNING BOARD, AND THEN HE HAD TO FACE THE COVID.
NORMALLY WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU START A JOB, YOU HAVE SOME TIME TO HAVE FACE-TO-FACE WITH YOUR MANAGER, AND THAT WAS LIMITED BECAUSE OF COVID.
BUT NEVERTHELESS, UH, HE WAS ABLE TO, UH, UH, STAY IN CONTACT WITH, UH, AARON.
AND AARON COULD ATTEST TO THIS ALSO, THAT HE JUST HAVE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB.
YOU WANT TO COMMEND
WE DID, WE DID MICHAEL'S CORRECT.
M LEE JOHAN, WE HAVE A, A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE DRAFT MINUTES.
DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO THE DRAFT? UH, NO, NO COMMENTS TO THE DRAFT.
ALL IN FAVOR, ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
UM, THERE'S ANY, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAD ANY ADDITIONAL CORRESPONDENCE THAT CAME IN.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT COMMISSIONER? OKAY.
SO WE'LL GO DIRECTLY TO OLD BUSINESS.
THAT'S K P 2019
WHAT'S GOING ON? ALRIGHT, THE HECK IS THAT WE HAVE, UH, A DRAFT, UH, UM, DECISION.
UM, UH, THE SEQL WAS DONE ALREADY, AND THIS IS THE TYPE TWO, THE SEQL WAS DONE IN NOVEMBER 18.
THAT WAS GREAT BECAUSE SHE LIKES TO BUSINESSES, UH,
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EVERYONE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ.IS ANY COMMENTS ON THE DRAFT APPROVAL? I ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
APPROVE THE, UH, THE 2019 FOR THAT MOVE.
WHO MOVED? WHO MOVED? WHO MOVED IT? A AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UH, AN AMENDED SITE PLAN.
OH, ONE OF THE THINGS GOING BACK TO THE MINUTE THE, UH, MATT DID INDICATE HELPFUL TO HIM IS, OR THERE'S NO BACKGROUND,
UH, THE NEXT THING IS TB 20 DASH OH NINE BRIDGE AND N IT IS A, I THINK A BOTH FOR THE SITE PLAN, SPECIAL PERMIT VOTE, AND THE PLANNING.
UH, WHAT IS THE PLANNING BOARD WAIVER? I CAN WALK THE BOARD.
CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT AND AS PERMIT ORDINANCE WITH RESPECT TO, UH, CHILD DAYCARE FACILITIES.
AND THAT PROVIDES FOR PLANNING AS OPPOSED TO AN APPLICANT NEED TO SEEK VARIANCES FOR CERTAIN CRITERIA, UH, IN THIS CASE.
AND AS PROVIDED FOR ON PAGE SIX OF THE DRAFT DECISION, THIS APPLICANT SAW, UH, TWO WAIVERS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, AND ONE WAS THE MINIMUM DISTANCE OR IS, UH, MINIMUM DISTANCE BETWEEN PAVED AREAS, UH, AND IMPERVIOUS SURFACES ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPOSED OUTDOOR ACTIVITY AREA TO ALL PROPERTY LINES.
THE REQUIREMENT IS 20 FEET, AND IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED 12.5 FEET TO THE NORTH SIDE YARD PROPERTY LINE, AND 12.75 FEET TO THE FRONT YARD PROPERTY LINE.
UH, THE SECOND WAIVER WAS RELATED TO THE MINIMUM DISTANCE BETWEEN THE OUTDOOR ACTIVITY AREA AND ALL OFF STREET PARKING AREAS.
THERE'S A 10 FOOT REQUIREMENT, IF YOU RECALL, ON THE SITE PLAN.
THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED, UH, ZERO FEET IN THIS CASE, BUT THE AREA IS FENCING.
SO THEY'VE REQUESTED WE'VE RUN THROUGH THOSE AND FOR DECISION THIS EVENING ALONE, SPECIAL PERMIT PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AS WELL.
TOM, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT? NO.
I KNOW WE DISCUSSED THOSE AS, UM, ISSUES, BUT I WASN'T CLEAR THAT IT WAS A WAIVER VERSUS, UM, A VARIANCE.
AND, AND AGAIN, ON THIS ONE, UM, UM, UH, THE C A WAS DONE, UH, AND IT'S, UH, UH, UNLISTED ACTION AND, UH, WITH A, WITH A MEG DECK.
AND, UM, AND, AND THE Z B A RULE RULE MADE THE DECISION ALSO ON THIS THOUGH.
SO NOW IT'S UP TO US TO MAKE, UH, TAKE A, UH, FOUR VOTES.
AND, UH, UH, THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE, UH, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, THE SITE PLAN.
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AYE.UH, UH, THE APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL FOR, UH, FOR THE, UH, THE, THE LIGHTBRIDGE ACADEMY, UH, MOTION.
UH, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS.
ANY, UH, ABSTENTION OF OBJECTION? SO MOVED.
UH, THE NEXT ONE IS THE PLANNING BOARD
I MAKE A MOTION THAT, UM, UH, THAT WE APPROVE THAT.
ANY OBJECTIONS? ABSTENTIONS? FINE.
AND, UH, AND THE LAST ONE IS THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, WAIVERS APPROVAL.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, UH, ACCEPT, APPROVE THE, THE PLANNING BOARD WAIVERS.
SO, UM, 20, OH, UH, APPLICATION HAS BEEN PAINFUL.
SO PRETTY MUCH WE'LL LOOK TO HAVE THAT DECISION, UH, BY THE END OF THE WEEK AND SEND, AND THAT, THAT GOES FOR ANYONE THAT APPLICATION.
I NOTICED THAT WERE STILL ON, ALTHOUGH THEY, THEY MAY NOT BE ON THE SCREEN ANYMORE.
UH, IF THEY HAD, IF THEY WEREN'T CLEAR, UH, THAT, UH, THAT MOTION HAS PASSED AND A DECISION WILL GET OUT TO YOU.
UH, UH, UH, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CASE T P 1802.
THIS IS FOR THE ELMWOOD PRESERVE, AND, UH, THIS IS IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE DRAFT E I S UH, UH, THIS MEETING.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING IS FOR US TO GET AS MANY QUESTIONS, GET ALL OUR QUESTIONS ON THE TABLE.
UH, WE DO NOT NEED TO GET AN ANSWER BECAUSE ONCE WE GET ALL OUR QUESTIONS ON THE TABLE, THE APPLICANT HAS TO GO BACK AND DRAFT A FINAL, UH, E I S.
AND IN THAT DRAFT FINAL E I S THE APPLICANT HAS TO ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT WE PO.
SO, FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO GET ALL THE QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE WILL GET THE ANSWERS IN THE DRAFT E I S AND WHEN IT COMES BACK, THAT DRAFT COMES BACK TO US.
THEN WE COULD OPINE AND ALL THE ANSWERS AND ASK ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS.
SO WE'LL HAVE THE FULL OPPORTUNITY TO ASK OUR QUESTIONS.
SO, SO TONIGHT'S GOAL IS NOT TO, UH, UH, GET ANSWERED, BUT MAKE SURE OUR QUESTIONS, UH, ARE REGISTERED.
UM, AND IF THE APPLICANT MIGHT BE ABLE TO, UH, ANSWER A QUESTION TONIGHT ON THE SPOT THAT JUST DON'T, THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO DEBATE THE ANSWER JUST AS INFORMATION, BECAUSE THE APPLICANT WILL STILL HAVE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION FORMALLY IN THE DRAFT, UH, THE FINAL DRAFT OF THE FINAL E I S.
SO WE, SO I, I SAY TO EVERYONE, JUST MAKE SURE YOU GET ALL YOUR QUESTIONS ON THE TABLE.
UH, WE DID MAKE A DRAFT OF, OF, UH, SOME ABOUT 20 QUESTIONS THAT ALREADY THE APPLICANT HAS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, UH, THIS IS THE TIME TO ASK THE QUESTION.
SO, WITH THAT SAID, I ASKED THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, ALWOOD PRESERVE, UH, UH, THE CONSULT.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, DAVID STEIN METZ, UH, FROM THE LAW FIRM OF Z AND STEIN METZ.
GOOD TO SEE YOU AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
OUR ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT TEAM IS HERE.
I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO MY CLIENT IN A MOMENT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WE ARE AWARE OF KIND OF THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT, UH, FOR THIS EVENING, AND GENUINELY APPRECIATE GARRETT AND AARON MAKING SURE WE SAW A NUMBER OF THOSE QUESTIONS
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ALREADY.JONATHAN REBO IS PREPARED TO ANSWER SEVERAL OF THOSE QUESTIONS BRIEFLY THIS EVENING.
UM, SO THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE ENTITLED TO HEAR THAT.
WE FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT ALL OF THE ANSWERS THAT WE'RE GIVING TONIGHT VERBALLY WILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IN WRITING IN THE F E I SS.
SO FOR FOR SAKE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, YOU MAY WANT TO HEAR, IT'D PROBABLY TAKE JONATHAN FIVE, SEVEN MINUTES TO GO THROUGH THE ANSWERS TO THE 10 OR 15 QUESTIONS WE GOT.
THEY WERE VERY GOOD QUESTIONS, UM, DIRECTLY RELEVANT TO A LOT OF THE ANALYSIS CON CONDUCTED AND SET FORTH IN THE D E I S.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THAT TONIGHT IF YOU WISH, MR. CHAIRMAN? OH, YEAH.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT IN TERMS OF PRIORITY IS MORE IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE ALL OUR QUESTIONS ARE ON THE TABLE.
AND IF WE HAVE TIME FOR YOU TO ANSWER OR YOU HAVE THE ANSWER TONIGHT, WELL, WE'LL WELCOME THAT UP.
WE'LL DEFINITELY WELCOME THAT.
AND JUST, MR. CHAIRMAN, SO THE BOARD MEMBERS AND THE PUBLIC IS AWARE THE, THE, THE ACTUAL DEADLINE TO SUBMIT QUESTIONS, WE'LL BE INTO JANUARY CONSIDERABLY SINCE THE TOWN BOARD'S PUBLIC HEARING ON THE D E I S IS, UH, IS NOTICED FOR JANUARY 27TH.
BUT WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF GET OUT IN FRONT AND HIT MAJOR TOPICS WITH YOU AND YOUR BOARD.
AND, AND SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JONATHAN TO DO THAT, UH, EXPEDITIOUSLY.
I COULD, UH, UH, IF I COULD CHAIRPERSON SIMON.
UM, I JUST WANTED PIGGY BACK ON A FEW OF, UH, UH, DAVID'S COMMENTS THERE.
THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING OF THE TOWN BOARD ON, UH, JANUARY 27TH.
AND, UM, WE, WE APPRECIATE THE RESPONSES THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO HEAR.
THEN WE'LL BE DOCUMENTED VIA THE MINUTES, AS ALWAYS.
UM, BUT AS MS. CORRECTLY MOVED BY MR. STEINMAN'S, UM, RESPONSES WILL BE, WILL MAKE THEIR WAY INTO THE F E I S.
I ALSO WANNA NOTE THAT IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT YOU THINK OF FOLLOWING THIS MEETING, THAT'S CERTAINLY FINE.
UM, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, SEND STAFF, UH, FOLLOWING THIS MEETING IF MORE QUESTIONS ARISE, UM, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT BACK TO ANSWER THEM, BUT WHAT THAT MEANS IS, UM, IF THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, SIMPLE TYPE QUESTIONS THAT WE, WE CAN RESPOND TO VIA THE DOCUMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, THEY CAN MAKE THEIR WAY INTO THE F E I S.
SO WE'LL COMPILE THE QUESTIONS TONIGHT ALONG WITH ANY OTHERS THAT YOU SEND US BY EMAIL FOLLOWING THIS.
AND, UM, WHAT WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND IS THAT AT THE JANUARY 20TH MEETING OF THE PLANNING BOARD, WE, WE, WE, WE, WE GIVE YOU IN ADVANCE OF THAT MEETING COMPILATION OF ALL THE SUBSTANCES QUESTIONS THAT YOU CAN THEN AFFIRM THAT YOU WANT THOSE SENT TO THE ON BOARD.
SO THAT, THAT'S THE PROCEDURE WE'LL RECOMMEND.
AND, UM, WITH WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I'LL, I'LL PASS IT ON BACK TO THE APPLICANT.
WELL, UH, TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, IT'S ALREADY ON THE AGENDA OF, UH, JANUARY 28, UH, 20TH.
THAT'S, UH, ON THE, I DON'T KNOW IF AARON HAD, UH, BECAUSE I, WE JUST DID THIS YESTERDAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF AARON HAD THE TIME TO, UH, SEND OUT THE UPDATED, UH, UH, UM, UH, WORK, UH, SCHEDULE, BUT THAT IS ON FOR THE 20 EXACTLY.
I DIDN'T WANNA INUNDATE THE BOARD WITH MORE PAPERWORK, UH, BEFORE THE MEETING, SO I FIGURED I'D SEND IT AFTERWARDS.
UH, JUST, JUST FOR, UH, THE APPLICANT, MR. GRUPO, UH, I DO HAVE THE QUESTIONS.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU INTENDED TO SHARE SCREEN AT ALL, SO YOU CAN LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU PREFER.
I WAS, I, I THINK THE BEST FLOW THAT I THOUGHT WAS, I, I WAS GONNA READ, YOU KNOW, SORT OF A SYNOPSIS OF THE QUESTION AND THEN HAVE A, AND THEN GIVE YOU AN ANSWER.
UM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS IT ANY FURTHER, I'M PERFECTLY HAPPY TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SMALL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE ITEMS OR FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY AS DAVID AND GARRETT POINTED OUT, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL NEED, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONS TO THE QUESTIONS WE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED 'EM IN WRITING, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE A DIALOGUE OR, OR ANSWER FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS AS YOU, AS YOU DEEM FIT.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF HOURS UNTIL OUR PARKS AND REC, UH, PARKS AND REC PRESENTATION TONIGHT.
SO, UH, WE FILLED OUR CALENDAR WITH, UH, GREENBERG, UH, WITH GREENBERG THIS EVENING.
UM, SO WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, ARE YOU OKAY? ME, ME, JUDGE, JUST JUMPING RIGHT IN.
SO THE FIRST QUESTION THAT, UM, THAT WE HAVE ON OUR LIST IS, IT'S, UH, AND THE APPLICANT'S PREFERRED 175 UNIT PROJECT ALTERNATIVE EXTRA DENSITY IS THOUGHT IS SOUGHT.
UM, THE QUESTION BEING ASKED IS ABOUT A 10% AFFORDABLE SET ASIDE.
UM, AND AS MENTIONED IN THE QUESTION, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD IS AWARE THAT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SET ASIDE IS, IS NOT REQUIRED.
BUT AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT OFF THE TABLE FOR DISCUSSION.
AND PART OF OUR COMMENTS THAT WE'VE, THAT WE'VE MADE TO THE TOWN BOARD
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AND PROFESSIONALS IS WE'D LOVE TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE TOWN'S COMMENTS AND CONCERNS AT ONE TIME, RATHER THAN DISCUSSING ONE ITEM.AND, AND FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, REALLY DRILLING DOWN ON ONE 'CAUSE WE KIND OF BELIEVE THAT, THAT IT'S ALL A COLLECTIVE, IT'S A COLLECTIVE DISCUSSION, NUMBER OF UNITS SET ASIDE, PARKS, REC, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT'S ONE THAT WE'RE THE TOWN HAS TALKED ABOUT AND ONE THAT WE'RE AWARE OF AND ONE THAT, THAT WE INTEND TO, TO ADDRESS AND COMMUNICATE ON THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.
UM, THE SECOND QUESTION WAS ABOUT, UM, NEW YORK STATE, D O T.
UM, AND HAVE THEY, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY INPUT ON, UM, OUR PROPOSED VEHICULAR INGRESS AND EGRESS AND DRIVEWAYS? UM, OUR PROFESSIONALS HAVE RECENTLY, UM, MET WITH AND HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE D O T.
THEY DID EXPRESS SOME INITIAL CONCERN ABOUT MULTIPLE CURB CUTS ON DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
UM, IF NECESSARY, WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO REMOVE THE SECONDARY ENTRANCE ACROSS FROM WESTCHESTER VIEW AND OR PUT A ROAD OUT ONTO WORTHINGTON.
WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY, WE DON'T REALLY LIKE PUTTING THE ROAD OUT ONTO WORTHINGTON JUST BECAUSE WE THINK WE'RE LOADING UP A MORE LOCAL ROAD WITH TRAFFIC AS OPPOSED TO KEEPING THAT ROAD, YOU KEEPING THE TRAFFIC ONTO DOBBS FERRY.
AND AS YOU'LL SEE IN OUR PLAN, WE'VE DONE IT, I THINK WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE ABILITY, WHICH IS A NICE CHANGE FROM SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENTS TO BE ABLE TO LINE UP OUR ENTRANCES DIRECTLY, YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY WITH ROADS THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET.
SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY, UM, THEY DID ACTUALLY MENTION THAT THEY LIKED THE CLUB DRIVEWAY MOVE ACROSS FROM WESTCHESTER VIEW LANE.
UM, SO WE, WE THINK THAT FROM A TRAFFIC AND AND VEHICULAR MOVEMENT FOR ALL OF DOBBS FERRY THAT WE DO LIKE OUR PLAN.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT, THAT, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT IT WITH THE D O T, THEY COULD CONSIDER THAT THE SECONDARY DRIVEWAY ON DOBBS FERRY, THE ONE ACROSS FROM WESTCHESTER VIEW COULD BE A RIGHT TURN IN RIGHT TURNOUT ONLY, SO THAT WE'RE NOT SENDING TRAFFIC OUT ACROSS, COULD TAKE IT OR LEAVE.
I DON'T REALLY SEE MANY PEOPLE USING THAT.
WE REALLY HAD PLANNED ON THAT BEING A SECONDARY ENTRANCE AND OR, UM, UH, SOMETHING THAT MAYBE PEOPLE WOULD COME IF THEY WERE COMING JUST TO THE CLUBHOUSE, IF IT WAS A PARTY OR, YOU KNOW, A GET TOGETHER AT THE CLUBHOUSE, SOMEBODY WOULD USE THAT RATHER THAN DRIVING IN AND OUT.
SO WE DON'T SEE IT BEING USED AS THE EVERYDAY IN AND OUT.
UM, THE D O T ALSO MADE A COMMENT ABOUT SUPPORTING THE SIDEWALK THAT WE'RE, WE'RE INTENDING TO PUT ON DOBBS FERRY ROAD FRONTAGE, UM, AS WELL AS THEY LIKED THE RELOCATION OF THE BROOK PARK DRIVEWAY FURTHER WEST AWAY FROM THE SPRAIN.
UM, AS WE CONCEPTUALLY SHOWED, AS I THINK I MENTIONED IN OUR FIRST, IN OUR FIRST MEETING, UM, THAT WE THINK WE GIVE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR THE STATE, THE TOWN AND THE PARK, AND FIGURING ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC OUT OVER THERE, WHICH IS, WHICH DOESN'T ALIGN AND IS, IS FRANKLY AS, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, I'VE ALMOST DRIVEN UP THE WRONG WAY TRYING TO GET INTO THE PARK.
UM, SO THE, THE NEXON ALSO ON VEHICULAR CONNECTION WAS AS THE APPLICANT'S CONSIDERED A VEHICULAR CONNECTION TO THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.
UM, WHICH SOME, WHICH I GUESS IS MAYBE MORE LOCALLY KNOWN AS FOR CHETTY SUBDIVISION OFF OF WORTHINGTON AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE TOTAL INGRESS.
UM, YES WE HAVE, BUT WE DON'T BELIEVE IT'S ALSO A, AN EXCLUSIVE INGRESS AND EGRESS.
SIMILAR FOR THE, FOR THE COMMENT ABOUT WESTCHESTER VIEW, EVEN MORE SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A VERY LOCAL, A LOCAL ROAD WHERE I DON'T REALLY WANT TO FIELD THE CALLS FROM THE NEIGHBORS OF THAT SUBDIVISION IF EVERYBODY WAS GOING IN AND OUT OVER THERE.
UM, BUT WE, WE THINK, AS I SAID, FROM A TR PLANNING AND TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE, WE'D BE REALLY PUTTING CARS ON LOCAL ROADS.
UM, WE COULD POSSIBLY CONSIDER THAT AS AN EMERGENCY, MAYBE WITH A GATE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF FOR SOME REASON.
UM, BUT YOU PROBABLY, YOU MIGHT HAVE KNOWN US OR YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE IN THE, UM, ZONING COMPLIANT PLAN.
WE DO HAVE A CONNECTION TO THAT, TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, IN THAT PLAN TO ALIGN WITH ONE OF THOSE STREETS.
UM, THE NEXT QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE PROPOSED HOMES BEING 4,500 SQUARE FEET SQUARE.
SO I DO AND DO, DO 55 AND OVER HOMEOWNERS WANT THAT.
THE ANSWER IS NO, LIKELY THEY DON'T WANT THAT.
BUT OUR TEAM IS REQUIRED BY CCRA TO DO A WORST CASE SCENARIO ANALYSIS.
UM, AND IT'S BETTER FOR THE IT FOR THE VALIDITY OF OUR PLAN AND SUBMISSION AS BIG AS POSSIBLE.
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DO THIS AS A PLANNING EXERCISE NORM IN OUR PLANS THAT WE SHOW A BIGGER PLAN EVENTUALLY BE BUILT, FINE TUNE THAT WHEN WE GET INTO THE FINAL CIVIL ENGINEERING PLANS.WE LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR DRAINAGE, ALL OF OUR ROADS, ALL OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT, THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY HOW SIZE ARE DESIGNED TO THE LARGEST AND, UH, UH, THE LARGEST POSSIBLE.
UH, SO FOR DRAINAGE TO OPEN SPACE SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'LL MEET ALL OF OUR CALCULATIONS.
REALISTICALLY, I THINK THAT THESE HOMES WILL BE IN THAT 2,400 SQUARE FOOT RANGE PLUS A BASEMENT, UM, FINISHED OR NOT FINISHED IS REALLY TYPICALLY WHAT WE'RE SEEING FOR THIS, FOR THAT MARKET, UM, FOR THAT MARKET OF, OF OF HOME AND END BUYER.
UM, CONTINUING ON THE QUESTIONS OF THE UNITS, UH, MOST, IF NOT ALL THE HOUSING ALTERNATIVES APPEAR TO OFFER MULTI-LEVEL UNITS.
ARE ONE LEVEL HOUSING UNITS MORE APPROPRIATE AND OR MARKETABLE FOR AGING SENIORS? WILL THE AMENITIES WITHIN THE UNITS BE TARGETED TOWARDS SENIORS BEING ABLE TO REMAIN IN THEIR HOME AS LONG AS POSSIBLE? MASTER BEDROOM ON MAIN FLOOR, BATHROOM, SHOWER STALLS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS? THERE'LL ABSOLUTELY BE MASTER BEDROOMS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
IT'S THE NUMBER ONE MOST IMPORTANT THING OF A 55 AND OVER, UM, COMMUNITY, UH, MASTER BEDROOMS ON THE FIRST FLOOR IS, IS A DEFINITE, UM, WE REALLY DON'T LIKE IN SOME OF OUR ALTERNATIVES IN THE SINGLE FAMILY ACTIVE ADULT ALTERNATIVE.
WE MIGHT ACTUALLY, WE MIGHT ACTUALLY THINK ABOUT A ONE STORY IF I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GO THAT ROUTE.
BUT IF WE DID IN THAT TYPE OF DESIGN, WHEN YOU HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY, YOU DO SEE SOME MORE SINGLE STORY.
'CAUSE IT KIND OF FITS THE DESIGN AND THE CHARACTER OF, OF MAYBE A NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT IN A TRADITIONAL TOWN HOME, WE REALLY LIKE THAT, THAT COLONIAL TOWN HOME LOOK WHILE THE UPSTAIRS IS AVAILABLE.
UM, MY PARENTS FRANKLY LIVED FOR YEARS IN A HOUSE, LIKE A VERY SIMILAR TOWNHOUSE TO THIS.
THEY HAD THEIR HOME OFFICE UP THERE AND MY MY KIDS, THEIR GRANDKIDS WOULD STAY OVER AND, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD BEDROOMS UP THERE FOR, FOR THEM WHEN THEY CAME TO VISIT.
UM, THE NEXT QUESTION STILL ON THE, ON THE MARKETABILITY AS C OVID 19 ALTERED OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE MARKETABILITY FOR ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF TOWNHOUSE PROJECTS AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT.
WE REALLY HAVEN'T SEEN THAT THAT AFFECT IT.
WE'VE SEEN IT MORE IN MULTIFAMILY OR PLACES WITH MORE COMMON AREAS.
UH, WE'RE DESIGNING A, A MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT IN, IN, UM, BALTIMORE SUBURBS, AND WE'VE SPREAD EVERYTHING OUT.
WE'VE MADE EVERYTHING BIGGER, LESS TOUCH POINTS.
SO WE'VE DONE THAT MORE IN OUR MULTI-FAMILY PROJECTS, NOT, UH, NOT IN IN A FEE SIMPLE OR A, OR A NOT FEE SIMPLE IN A, UH, TOWN HOME PRODUCT.
UM, THERE WAS, I THINK THERE WAS ONE OTHER HOME QUESTION.
I'M SORRY, I'M JUST SKIPPING TO SEE IF THERE WAS NO, I'LL JUST KEEP GOING SO I DON'T LOSE MY PLACE.
UM, IT SAYS IN ALTERNATIVE B, IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT ANY STORE ORDER BASINS ARE PROPOSED.
UM, IS THAT, IS THE PROPOSED LAYOUT WITH 119 SINGLE FAMILY, UH, ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE FEASIBLE AS SOME OF THE USE, SOME USE OF ACREAGE APPEARS TO BE NECESSARY FOR STORMWATER.
UM, J M C DESIGNED THE 119 UNIT PLAN AS FEASIBLE, UM, AS A ICAL IN, IN GREENBERG, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FOR SINGLE FAMILIES IS HANDLED ON INDIVIDUAL LOTS, USUALLY WITH SERIES OF DRY WELLS.
UM, STORMWATER IS CONVEYED WITHIN THE INTERNAL ROADWAYS WOULD BE COLLECTED BY A SERIES OF CATCH BASINS AND INLETS AND HANDLED IN, IN DIFFERENT STRATEGIC AREAS BENEATH THE RIGHT OF WAY WITH SUBSURFACE DETENTION AND INFILTRATION.
UM, CONVERSELY THOUGH, OUR PROPOSED PLAN PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR CENTRALLY LOCATED TREAT LARGE BATCHES OF STORMWATER.
UH, THERE WE'D HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'D PROVIDE A GREATER REDUCTION IN VOLUME AND PEAK FLOW RATES AND, AND, AND THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD ENHANCEMENT TO THE WATER QUALITY.
UM, AND FROM AN OPERATIONAL PERSPECTIVE, IT'S, IT'S EASIER TO MAINTAIN A FEW LARGE BASINS RATHER THAN THE INDIVIDUAL, UH, THE INDIVIDUAL, UH, DRY WELLS ON THE LOTS.
UM, OKAY, GOING BACK, WE'RE BACK TO TRAFFIC.
THE INTERIOR SIDEWALKS PROPOSED WITHIN A SITE ARE A GOOD AMENITY FOR THE RESIDENCE.
THE PROPOSAL FOR A SIDEWALK CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO DRIVEWAYS IN THE APPLICANT'S PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE WOULD PUT SOME SIDEWALK ON THE NORTH SIDE OF DOBBS FERRY WITH THE REMAINDER EXISTING SIDEWALK NETWORK AND THE AREA OF THE SOUTH SIDE OF DOBBS.
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UH, FOR THE BENEFIT OF NEW RESIDENTS ON THE SITE AND THOSE RESIDING AND WALKING DISTANCE OF THE PROJECT, WOULD THE APPLICANT CONSIDER EXPLORING POTENTIAL FOR THE NEWLY PROPOSED SIDEWALKS ALONG DOBBS FERRY ROAD TO FILL IN THE GAPS? UM, HAS THE APPLICANT CONSIDERED A NEW SIDEWALK ALONG WORTHINGTON? UM, WE'RE DEFINITELY, AS I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, PLANNING ON SIDEWALKS ALONG OUR PROPERTY, FRONTAGE ALONG DOTS FERRY, AND THINK THAT THE WALK-IN CONNECTIVITY IS IMPORTANT.BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE ONLY CONTROL OUR OWN PROPERTY, SO IT'S HARD FOR US TO PUT SIDEWALKS SOMEPLACE ELSE.
UM, WE DO BELIEVE WITH THE AMENITIES ON OUR SIDE OF THE STREET, THAT THE GOAL SHOULD BE TO GET THE PEOPLE TO CROSS DOBBS FERRY TO THE NORTH SIDE SO THAT THEY COULD HAVE CONNECTION TO RUM BROOK PARK.
UM, WE ALSO ARE NOT OPPOSED TO SIDEWALKS ALONG WORTHINGTON, BUT UM, JUST AS A MATTER OF RECORD, WE HAVE ABOUT 200 FEET ON WORTHINGTON FROM DOBBS, UM, FROM DOBBS ALONG OUR PROPERTY LINE.
UM, WE HAVE ABOUT 200 FEET THERE.
WE'RE, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO SIDEWALKS.
UM, THE OTHER THING WE, WE DID DO IS YOU CAN, AS IF YOU REMEMBER FROM THE PLAN, IS WE'VE TRYING TO PULL THE NEIGHBORS FROM ON OUR NORTH AND WEST, UM, IN THROUGH THE WALKING TRAILS TO GET THEM TO NOT HAVE TO COME DOWN TO DOBBS TO GET TO, UH, TO GET TO THE PARK.
UM, QUICK, ANOTHER PROJECT QUESTION ON SIDEWALKS.
I, I KNOW YOU'RE PLANNING SIDEWALK, YOU'RE PLANNING TO HAVE SIDEWALKS ON THE INTERIOR, YOU KNOW, CONNECTING ALL THE, UM, TOWNHOUSES.
ARE THEY GONNA BE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET OR ONE SIDE? I DON'T REMEMBER.
JIM, DO YOU REMEMBER? OR JA I THINK JAMES' OTHER.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT WE PLANNED, TO BE HONEST.
DO YOU REMEMBER? I BELIEVE THE PLAN IS TO HAVE SIDEWALKS ON ONE SIDE OF THE INTERNAL, UH, ROADWAYS.
I, I SUPPORT THAT, BY THE WAY.
I'M GONNA BRING UP A MAP IN A MOMENT, BUT I DON'T WANT HIM STOP YOU.
UM, AND THEN ON OTHER PROJECTS THAT THE TOWN IS REQUIRED OFFSITE SIDEWALKS AND TARGETED LOCATIONS, AND IF THEY ASK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAPPY, WE'RE HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE THOSE SIDE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
UM, BUT WE THINK THAT THE, THE SUB, THE IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SIDEWALK ALONG DOBBS FERRY AND WORTHINGTON.
THE QUESTION STATES, I HAVE TRAFFIC CONCERNS BECAUSE THE POPULATION OF 55 AND OVER WILL STILL HAVE TWO VEHICLES AND WILL STILL IN MANY CASES HAVE TWO PEOPLE WORKING IN THIS AREA OF WESTCHESTER.
VERY FEW PEOPLE RELY TOTALLY ON MASS TRANSIT, STILL USING CARS.
THE TRAFFIC ON DOBBS FERRY, THE AM SCHOOL BUSES IS DIFFICULT AT BEST.
AND MEANING FOR ENTRANCE TO THE SPRINGING YOU GET TO 2 87.
WHAT CAN BE DONE TO ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC DURING PEAK HOURS REGARDLESS OF THE PLAN? UM, YOU ARE CORRECT.
I MEAN, PEOPLE OF 55 AND OVER WILL HAVE TWO CARS.
MANY WILL STILL WORK, BUT WE BELIEVE AND SO DOES THE DATA THAT WE WERE REQUIRED TO USE IN OUR CALCULATIONS, THAT THE COMPARISON SHOULD BE MADE BETWEEN THE ACTIVE ADULT AND ZONING COMPLIANT PLAN WITH CHILDREN.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DATA THAT WE'VE PROVIDED, THE ACTIVE ADULT TRAFFIC IS LESS AT THOSE PEAK HOURS.
SO WE THINK THAT OUR PLAN DOES SHOW, UM, WILL SHOW AND, AND THE DATA SUPPORTS, NOT THAT THEY'RE DRIVING LESS OR NOT THAT THEY HAVE LESS CARS, THEY JUST DON'T DRIVE AT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST NOT GOING OUT AT TO GET THEIR, CAN I INTERRUPT HERE? SURE, PLEASE.
UM, WHEN THE DATA WAS TAKEN, DID THIS INCLUDE CALLONS GOING IN THE, UM, NURSERY? JAMES WANNA JUMP IN ON DATA FOR ME?
UM, SO, AND THEN JUST A COUPLE OTHER NOTES ON, ON, ON, ON TRAFFIC.
UM, THE PRIMARY SITE DRIVER INCLUDES US ADDING A PROPOSED LEFT TURNING LANE INTO THE SITE FOR VEHICLES TRAVELING EASTBOUND ON DOBBS FERRY.
UM, WE THINK THIS WILL HELP MAINTAIN THE FLOW OF THAT THREE TRAFFIC THAT THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE, IN THE QUESTION SO THAT WE'RE NOT BACKING UP WHILE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT TURN IN.
UM, UH, WE, THERE'S ALSO, UM, SO I, I THINK THAT'S IT.
WE COULD GET MORE TECHNICAL IF ANYONE WANTS.
WE HAVE JAMES AND OUR WHOLE AND OUR WHOLE TEAM AND SOME MORE DATA.
BUT I'LL, I'LL KEEP MOVING ON.
JONATHAN, IF I COULD, I JUST WANNA, UM, BRING THAT UP IF WE COULD JUST REVISIT THAT SIDEWALK QUESTION.
SO, UM, THE CONTEXT OF THE, THE AREA HERE, YOU'VE GOT THE SITE AND I'M SORRY IT'S NOT COLORED IN, BUT IT'S, IF YOU CAN SEE MY CURSOR, UH, IT'S GENERALLY WHERE I'M
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GOING HERE.UH, THE BLUE REPRESENTS EXISTING SIDEWALK.
THIS, UH, SIDEWALK SPAN WAS, UH, BUILT AT THE, UH, ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY THAT'S NOW COMPLETE.
AND, UH, THERE WAS A SPAN HERE THAT WAS BUILT BY A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPER.
UH, I THINK WHAT THE COMMENT, YOU KNOW, SPEAKS TO IS, UM, THE APPLICANT PLANS TO BUILD THE INTERIOR SIDEWALK NETWORK, WHICH, WHICH THEY TALKED ABOUT AND UM, YOU KNOW, GOOD MEMORY.
AND THEN THEY INDICATED THAT, UM, THERE WOULD BE A CONNECTION, UM, I DON'T KNOW ROUGHLY FROM LIKE WHERE MY CURSOR IS HERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF DOBBS FERRY TO THE OTHER, UM, UH, DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE THAT'S CLOSER TO WORTHINGTON ROAD.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF I HAD A, UH, I COULD DRAW IN HERE, BUT IF YOU CAN PICTURE THE NORTH SIDE HERE, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, ENVISIONING THAT BUILT OUT, UM, YOU WOULD HAVE A SEGMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE, UM, AND THEN TWO SEGMENTS BOTH ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
SO, UM, IT, IT IS PERMISSIBLE FOR YOU.
UM, IF, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU ARE AGREEABLE TO IT, TO, UH, IN LIEU OF BUILDING ON THE NORTH SIDE, IF YOU KNOW, IN THE SPIRIT OF CONNECTIVITY YOU, YOU COULD BUILD ON THE SOUTH SIDE, ULTIMATELY IT'S IN THE STATE RIGHT OF WAY EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, ON YOUR SIDE OF THE STREET, IF YOU WILL.
UM, THAT THAT IS A PERMISSIBLE ACT AND YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE THROUGH SEEKER, UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE DEEMED TO ALL.
SO I GUESS THAT'S THE SPIRIT OF THE COMMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF HAVING KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE SECTION HERE ON THE SOUTH, THEN ON THE NORTH AND THEN BACK ON THE SOUTH, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE LOGICAL THING WOULD BE TO JUST KEEP EVERYTHING ON THE SOUTH AND SOUTH AND ULTIMATELY THE GOAL IS TO CONNECT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, UH, WEST HARSDALE AVENUE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IF THAT WERE DONE IT WOULD BE BEST THOUGHT ENOUGH TO BE ALL ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.
SO, YEAH, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
I, I ENVISION IT, LOOK YOU, YOU KNOW BETTER WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE ARE WALKING TO, BUT I ENVISION THEM WANTING TO WALK TO THE PARK FIRST AND FOREMOST.
UM, MAYBE NOT DOWN TO, MAYBE THEY WILL TO WEST HARTSDALE, BUT IF WE WERE GETTING, TRYING TO GET PEDESTRIANS TO GET TO THE PARK AND NOT USE THEIR CARS, THAT MAYBE WE'D BE BETTER.
AND, AND EITHER WAY, MAYBE IT'S SOME SOUTH THAN ACROSS WALK THAN TO NORTH.
EITHER WAY WE ARE COMMITTED TO GETTING THE, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON THE PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENT, UM, AROUND OUR SITE EITHER NORTH SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET.
EITHER WAY WE'RE COMMITTING TO HAVE SIDEWALK, UM, WHERE NECESSARY IN ORDER TO GET THE, UM, PEDESTRIANS WHERE THEY NEED TO GO OR WHERE THEY WANT, NOT MORE LIKE WHERE THEY WANT WANT TO GO.
UM, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE COULD BUILD THAT IN THE STATE.
WE COULD BUILD IF IT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
I THOUGHT IT WAS PRIVATE PROPERTY, SO GOOD.
WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT EITHER WAY.
CAN I ASK ONE QUICK QUESTION AT THIS POINT? 'CAUSE GARRETT, I WASN'T CLEAR IF YOU WERE JUST DISCUSSING THE PART OF THE SIDEWALK, WHERE IS THE GAP OR THE ENTIRE SIDEWALK IS THE PLAN FOR THE SIDEWALK TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE PARK? 'CAUSE YOU WERE ONLY SHOWING THAT ONE SECTION OF IT.
SO, UH, I'M GOING TO, UH, DRAW, DRAW MY UNDERSTANDING OF, UM, THIS, THE SIDEWALK THAT'S PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT AND YEAH, THIS IS ROUGH, BUT I FEEL THAT THE DRIVEWAY MAYBE IS LIKE SOMEWHERE IN HERE AND, UH, WOULD CONNECT, UM, UM, IT'S THE OTHER DRIVEWAY AND UH, I'LL JUST MAKE THIS A DIFFERENT COLOR SO IT POPS REAL QUICK.
UM, SO LIKE FOR INSTANCE, UM, YOU KNOW, JAMES, IF YOU THINK I'M UP HERE, BUT, BUT I THINK ROUGHLY, UM, THAT'S YOUR, YOUR YOUR SPAN, UM, AND UH, THAT THAT'S WHAT'S PROPOSED.
SO YEAH, I THINK IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SIDEWALK QUESTION WE CAN THINK ABOUT MORE AS THE PROJECT EVOLVES AND ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO TRAVEL TO.
UM, BUT TOM, THAT'S WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS AT THE YES, THAT'S ACCURATE ISN'T OKAY, BUT WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE SIDEWALK ON BERRY ROAD, BUT IN THE BACK OF THE COMPLEX, AREN'T WE TALKING ABOUT A WALK? I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S A PA WALK OR YEAH, A WALKWAY.
I HAVE THE PLAN THAT GARRETT, IF YOU WANT ME TO PULL UP MY PLAN, I HAVE IT OPEN.
IT'S MORE OF A PEDESTRIAN TRAIL.
JONATHAN, YOU'RE GONNA YEAH, I MAKE SURE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, WE TALKED ABOUT SIDEWALKS, WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE WALKWAYS.
ONE WOULD BE A CONCRETE WALKWAY ON DO FAIR ROAD.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, THE WALKWAYS MADE OF IN THE BACK, BUT NEVERTHELESS WILL BE, UH, ACCESS PATH ROAD OR SIDEWAYS.
I, I DON'T REALLY KNOW IF WE'VE GOTTEN FAR ENOUGH TO GET DOWN TO THE SPECIFICS OF THE, OF THE, YOU KNOW, TYPE OF, OF GROUND IT
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WOULD BE.BUT YOU COULD SEE HERE ON THE PLAN I ZOOMED IN, WE HAVE A CONNECTION FROM COUNTRY CLUB DRIVE OVER HILL ROAD AND VALLEY VIEW, ALL THOSE CUL-DE-SACS THAT BACK UP TO OUR PROPERTY.
WE'RE PULLING IN THE PEDESTRIANS FROM THAT COMMUNITY, FROM THOSE COMMUNITIES THERE, OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND RUNNING THAT ALONG OUR NORTHERN BOUNDARY AND THEN DOWN INTO THE PARK.
JONATHAN, IF I CAN JUST ADD, ALTHOUGH THIS IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, IT IS PROPOSED TO BE A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE PEDESTRIAN TRAIL EASEMENT, RIGHT? YEAH.
J AND THAT'S SOME OF OUR ON THE, ON THE SIDEWALK.
I'M SORRY, AND MAYBE YOU WERE JUST GONNA GET TO THAT JOHN, JONATHAN, BUT, UM, THE WAY I SAW IT WITH GARRETT, UM, MARKING UP THAT, THAT IMAGE WAS THAT THE SIDEWALK WOULD TERMINATE AT THAT MAIN ENTRANCE INTO THE SITE ALONG DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
WOULD THERE BE ANY SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, UH, EAST OF THAT MAIN ENTRY AND, AND TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THE, THE, THE CONED PROPERTY AND, AND TO THE ENTRANCE TO THE YEAH, I MEAN WE, YEAH, AARON, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
I, I, I, SO YOU COULD SEE, JUST TO ANSWER YOUR FIRST PART OF YOUR QUESTION, YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PLAN, YOU KNOW, THE SIDEWALK ON THE ONE SIDE OF THE STREET THAT JAMES WAS JUST SEEING ABOUT, THAT'S THE, THE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF THE SAME OUR HOUSE, YOU KNOW, OF OUR PROPOSED HOUSES.
BUT YOU CAN SEE IT, YOU KNOW, ON THE WAY IN, AND WE MAKE A GOOD POINT.
WE WOULD PROBABLY BE AMENABLE TO CONTINUING THE, THE SIDEWALK ALONG OUR PROPERTY.
I THINK THE THING THAT WE THOUGHT IS, IS WE WERE SORT OF TRYING TO GET PEOPLE OFF THE MAIN ROAD.
WE GOT 'EM INTO THE PROPERTY AND THEN, AND THEN DOWN TO THE PARK.
BUT IT IS A PRETTY BIG GAP GETTING THEM UP TO THE WALKING PATH.
SO WE, WE WOULD BE FINE IF WE, 'CAUSE WE HAVE ANOTHER SIDEWALK PROPOSED INSIDE THE PARK IF WE WERE, IF WE WERE TO PROGRAM IT.
SO YEAH, THE, WE CAN WORK ON THE CONNECTIONS.
AS I SAID, WE, WE'VE, WE THINK SIDEWALKS ARE A GREAT, ARE ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR AMENITIES IN THE COMMUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO WALK.
SO IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY MORE POPULAR RIGHT NOW THAN SOME OF THE MORE ACTIVE, ACTIVE, UM, AMENITIES THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING IN.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO CON OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, HAVE ANOTHER SECTION OF, OF SIDEWALK OR, OR EITHER ON THE NORTH OR THE SOUTH.
UM, I DO THINK FROM A SAFETY, MY OPINION FROM SAFETY, IT'S PROBABLY BETTER TO GET THEM TO THE NORTH SIDE.
IF THEY WERE TRYING TO CROSS DOWN MORE TOWARDS THE PARK ENTRANCE, IT GETS A LITTLE BIT MORE, MORE DANGEROUS.
AND WE'D HAVE, UM, DAVID, THERE'S A TRAFFIC YOU, THE CAPITOL SENIOR HOUSING HAS A TRAFFIC LIGHT IN RIGHT NOW.
IS THE TRAFFIC LIGHT IN NO, THERE IS, THERE IS NO TRAFFIC LIGHT AT NO, NO TRAFFIC LIGHT YET.
SO, AND JUST JUST SO THE RECORD IS CLEAR AND THEN, UM, THE, AS AS THE BOARD KNOWS, THE C S H PROJECT DID NOT GENERATE ENOUGH VEHICULAR MOVEMENT TO MEET WARRANTS.
UM, SO I THINK, AND JAMES CARAS, YOU CAN FOLLOW IN BEHIND ME HERE.
I THINK, UM, WE HAVE PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION AND JONATHAN HAS BEEN CONSISTENT, RIDGEWOOD IS PREPARED TO SIGNALIZE THAT JOINT, UM, ENTRANCE FOR BOTH C S H AND, AND ELWOOD PRESERVE IF D O T WOULD, WOULD OTHERWISE ALLOW IT.
JAMES, IS THAT, DID WE GET THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND CAPTAIN C WAS PULLED A LEFT TURN LANE, UM, AND WE WOULD OPPOSE THAT LEFT TURN LANE WITH OUR OWN LEFT TURN LANE INTO OUR SITE.
UH, AND WHAT OUR PROPOSED SITE DRIVEWAY DOES IS, UH, ALIGN THAT NICELY.
SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO INTERSECTION THAT'S, UH, GENETICALLY, UM, UH, CONVENIENT.
SO
UM, SO WE TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC, UH, YEAH, THAT WAS THE LAST ONE WE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE TRAFFIC.
UM, THE NEXT ONE IS THOUGH, ALTHOUGH PLAN D WOULD JET WOULD RENDER MAX TAX REVENUE, IT ALSO COULD PROVIDE LITTLE OR OR LESS STAKEHOLDERS FOR OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM ALONG THE ZERO, ALONG WITH ZERO SCHOOL CHILDREN, THE LAST SCHOOL BOND IN, IN GREENBURG CENTRAL FAIL BECAUSE GREENBURG IS PREDOMINANTLY SENIORS WHO DO NOT WANNA INVEST IN SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN.
CAN THIS BE FACTORED INTO THE CONTINUAL ANALYSIS OF THE PROJECT? UM, IT ABSOLUTELY CAN AND SHOULD BE FACTORED INTO DISCUSSION, BUT, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT ASSUMING THAT A 55 AND OVER BUYER IS GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THE BUDGET IN OUR OPINION ISN'T COMPLETELY ACCURATE.
UM, WE BELIEVE THAT TODAY'S SOPHISTICATED BUYER KNOWS THAT HAVING A GOOD AND PROPERLY FUNDED SCHOOL SYSTEM HELPS TO MAINTAIN OVERALL PROPERTY, PROPERTY VALUES.
UM, KEEP IN MIND NO ONE TALKING ABOUT TAX REVENUE PLAN D ALSO PROVIDES FOR FAR LESS REVENUE WITH OVER $35 MILLION LESS THAN ASSESSED VALUE.
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UM, INTERESTINGLY, WE HAD, GARRETT HAD SET UP, UM, A CONVERSATION FOR US WITH, UH, THE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE ELMSFORD UNION SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND HE ACTUALLY MADE THE COMMENT THAT HE SAID HE DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT SENIORS ACTUALLY VOTE AGAINST SUPPORTING SCHOOLS.UM, SO IT'S DEFINITELY A CONVERSATION TO ALL HAVE AND ONE THAT I'M SURE WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN OUR EXPERIENCE WITH, WITH SCHOOLS AND, AND BUYERS.
UM, I'M SORRY, I HAVE A QUESTION.
I WAS GONNA WAIT, BUT SINCE YOU KIND OF WAITED INTO THE TAX ISSUE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER ON, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE ACTUAL UNITS WOULD PROBABLY BE SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER THAN, THAN WHAT WAS STATED BECAUSE YOU WERE GOING WITH THE, THE LARGEST SIZE WORST CASE.
HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT THE TAX CALCULATIONS THAT WE SAW ON THE, THE COMPARISON? YEAH, GREAT QUESTION.
WE PLAN FOR THE UNIT TO BE A, IN OUR TAX CALCULATION, WE PLAN FOR OUR UNIT TO BE THE SIZE AND PRICE THAT WE THINK SELL.
SO WE THINK THAT THAT THE 24, YOU KNOW, A 2,400 SQUARE FOOT HOME, YOU KNOW, WE PLANNED FOR THAT NUMBER.
WE DIDN'T PLAN FOR A 4,500 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE SELLING FOR, FOR SOME CRAZY, SOME CRAZY NUMBER.
SO THAT'S INCORPORATED IN OUR THINKING.
I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING WHAT THE REDUCED SIZE HAVE AN IMPACT ON WATER DEMAND AND SEWER GENERATION? UM, JAMES? OH, THERE YOU ARE.
UM, JAMES, COULD YOU JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT USAGE? UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'VE CALCULATED AND, AND IF
UM, IN DISCIPLINARY STAGE, YOUR HONOR, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT, UH, USAGE NUMBERS, UH, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT, UH, WE APPROACHED THE, UH, GREENBERG CONSOLIDATED, UH, WATER DISTRICT, UM, AND, UM, WE HAVE, UH, RECEIVED A, A WILL SERVE LETTER, UH, INDICATING THAT, UH, THE DISTRICT HAS CAPACITY TO PROVIDE, UH, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT WITH WATER AND THAT THE, THE, UH, SEWER IS ALSO ABLE TO CONVEY, UH, THE FLOWS FROM THE SITE.
AND THERE ARE NO KNOWN, UM, DOWNSTREAM ISSUES THAT, UH, WE'RE AWARE OF, UH, FOR THAT.
SO, UM, WE DO HAVE, THAT WILL SERVE LETTER FROM GREENBERG CONSOLIDATED, UH, DISTRICT NUMBER ONE.
UM, SO, UH, THAT IS, UH, AS A STATUS OF THAT.
JAMES, I THINK THE QUESTION WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF, IF THE HOMES WERE A LITTLE BIT, IF, DID WE, DID WE ACCOUNT IN OUR NUMBERS AT THIS POINT FOR SIZE OF HOMES AS FAR AS USAGE OR, AND IF WE BUILD A SMALLER HOME, OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE LESS USAGE.
SO I THINK IF SIR, IF I'M CORRECT, THE QUESTION WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, UM, WOULD OUR USAGE FIGURES BE DIFFERENT OR ARE WE NOT THAT FAR ALONG? I THINK JIM RYAN LOOKS LIKE YOU.
IT'S, IT'S BASED ON, UH, WHAT WE CONSIDER FOR AVERAGE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS PER UNIT.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAS, YOU CALCULATE IT TO, SO, UM, THE, THESE 2,500 SQUARE FOOT UNITS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT AVERAGE THREE AND POSSIBLY A FOUR BEDROOM.
UM, SO IT WAS ALL CALCULATED BASED ON THAT NUMBER.
NOT REALLY THE SIZE OF SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE UNITS, BUT THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
BUT JAMES, IF YOU, I LOOK AT THE TABLE AND, UH, THE NUMBER OF, I MEAN FOUR BEDROOM UP, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S I, I I ORIGINALLY THOUGHT THE SAME THING, THAT IT'S BASED ON THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS. RIGHT.
UM, BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE NUMBERS IN THE TWO BOTTOM ROW, IT'S SORT OF NOT VERY CONSISTENT.
IT GOES FROM 41,000, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THIS, THIS IS NOT THE VENUE TO DEBATE THEIR NUMBERS, IT'S THE TIME FOR YOU.
WHAT YOU SHOULD DO, MAKE THAT A QUESTION.
THIS IS A PERFECT QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, INFORMATION ON THAT POINT, AND THEN LET THEM FORMALLY ANSWER YOU, WE WILL RESPOND.
SO WHAT YOU'LL SAYING, JUST, JUST PUT THAT IN THE
SO YEAH, QUESTION, WE'LL BE PREPARED ON THAT ONE.
UM, CAN YOU PULL UP THE, UH, SITE PLAN? SURE.
UM, LET, MAKE SURE I STILL, YEP.
ALL, I'M JUST GONNA ZOOM OUT A BIT.
CAN YOU SEE IT? UH, YOU GOT THE GOLF COURSE.
IT SHOULD, THERE IT'S, YOU GOT IT.
AND, AND LOOK, I, I SUPPORT THIS PLAN.
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AND OLDER IS A GREAT IDEA.OKAY, SO I'M WITH YOU, BUT FROM THE MINUTE I SAW THIS PLAN UNTIL THE CURRENT TIME, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A BIG CIRCLE AROUND THE OUTSIDE, NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AND THEN YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE ANOTHER ROAD THAT CUTS THE CIRCLE IN HALF.
I MEAN, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE SO MUCH LAND AND SO MUCH OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY WITH IT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THESE TOWNHOUSES AROUND THE CIRCUMFERENCE WITH THE INSIDE, NOT CUT BY A ROAD, BUT WITH A PARK, A GAZEBO, A PLAYGROUND.
BECAUSE 55 AND OLDER, THEY'RE GONNA BE HAVING THEIR KIDS, THEIR GRANDCHILDREN, THEY'RE GOING TO WALK, THEY'RE GONNA GO TO THE SWINGS, THEY WANNA GO TO THE PLAYGROUND, MAYBE A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, UM, POOL OR FOUNTAIN OR GAZEBO.
UM, THERE'S NO FOCAL POINT TO THIS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A, THAT THERE'S A, A, UM, COMMON, COMMON RECREATION FACILITY ON THE ONE LEFT WHERE EVERYBODY HAS TO WALK ALONG THE ROAD TO GET THERE.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS T YOU BE MORE CREATIVE WITH THIS DESIGN SO THAT THE INTERIOR IS MORE LIKE A LITTLE PARK.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WOULD'VE TO TAKE 2, 4, 6, 8, MAYBE NINE TOWNHOUSES AND SPREAD THEM AROUND A LITTLE BIT MORE.
BUT FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER, YOU'VE GOT SPACE TO PUT MORE TOWNHOUSES, YOU KNOW, SO THIS IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER
SO WE'VE CONSIDERED, SO JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART.
WE GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE, FROM THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT HAVING A BUFFER FROM THEIR, FROM THEIR HOUSES TO, UM, TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A COMMON THING WE GET THROUGHOUT ALL PLANNING.
SO WHAT WE TRIED TO DO WAS MOVE THE UNITS AWAY FROM THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PROPERTY, UM, AND TRY TO CENTER THE UNITS THERE, AND THEN HAVE OPEN SPACE, OPEN SPACE SURROUNDING, UM, SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY.
UM, GUESS ON THE CLUBHOUSE, WE ARE, WE WERE TRYING TO REUTILIZE, YOU KNOW, UTILIZE THE TENNIS COURTS IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE POOL AREA THAT'S ALREADY THERE.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHY THE CLUBHOUSE IS IN, ITS IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION.
UM, AND THEN GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER WALK THERE OR WALK TO THE WALK TO THE PARK.
SO THAT WAS REALLY THE GENESIS.
I THINK YOUR COMMENT IS, IS VERY WELL TAKEN, BUT I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU ONE, WE DID THINK OF IT, AND TWO, THAT WAS JUST WHY WE ENDED UP AT THIS DESIGN.
LOOK, I, I UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, LOOK, IF IT WERE ME, I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT A GOLF COURSE IN A 360 DEGREE VIEW, OKAY? IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.
AND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'VE GOT A 200 FOOT BUFFER.
150 FEET WOULD ALSO WORK, WORK BECAUSE I ASSUME YOU'RE GONNA PLANT A LOT OF TREES.
YOU'VE GOT THAT NORTHEAST CORNER, YOU COULD SNEAK A FEW OTHER, YOU KNOW, TOWNHOUSES IN THERE.
ALL I'M SAYING IS JUST RETHINK THIS BECAUSE I THINK, I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME ENOUGH SUCH GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE THAT CENTER PART.
NOT FILL IT WITH A BUNCH OF TOWNHOUSES, BUT FILL IT WITH HEADS, TREES, GAZEBOS SEATS, YOU KNOW? SO I LOVE IT.
BUT YOU KNOW HOW, YOU ALSO KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO SATISFY AND WHAT WE GET DOES, THE COMMENT IS, WELL, YOU'RE ONLY DOING THAT FOR THE BENEFIT OF YOUR COMMUNITY AND NOT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.
AND IF YOU HAVE TO DISAPPOINT THE FIELD, YOUR NEIGHBORS BY 50 FEET, 150 INSTEAD OF 200, JUST THINK ABOUT IT.
THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING, BECAUSE, UM, I'M GONNA INVITE YOU TO THE TOWN COUNCIL HEARING.
IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD ONE, JONATHAN.
WE HAVE A, UH, AND BOARD MEMBERS, WE HAVE, UH, A COMMENT OR A QUESTION FROM MR. SCHWARTZ.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO, WHICH KIND OF SURPRISED ME ON YOUR BUILD OUT OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, YOU WOULD, ASSUMING YOU'RE 4,500 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
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NO.SO, SO WHAT WE DID IS, IS NO, WE, WE IN THE DOCUMENT, YES, WE ARE, BECAUSE WE DESIGNED IT AS I WAS SAYING BEFORE, WE, WE DESIGNED IT TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT COULD BE THE LARGEST UNIT.
UM, I'M JUST GOING BACK TO MY NOTES, IF YOU JUST GIMME ONE SECOND.
'CAUSE, UM, WE ARE, WE'RE REQUIRED BY SECRET TO DO A WORST CASE SCENARIO ANALYSIS FOR THE VALIDITY OF OUR PLANS AND SUBMISSIONS.
SO WE DID HAVE OUR ARCHITECTS LAY OUT WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE THE BIGGEST BOX.
MY COMMENT REALLY WAS IS THAT I THINK IN, IN REALITY, WHAT THE, WHAT THE UNITS WILL END UP BEING IS A IS APPROXIMATELY A 2,400 SQUARE FOOT UNIT WITH BASEMENT.
OKAY? I DON'T THINK YOU'RE SATISFYING THE NEEDS, OUR SECRET NEEDS BY DOING THAT.
OKAY? THE REAL ISSUE HERE ISN'T, UM, WELL, THERE ARE TWO, TWO ISSUES.
THERE'S ONE, YOU KNOW, NO BUILD VERSUS BUILD, IT'S ALWAYS AN ISSUE SEEKER, OKAY? YOU'RE TAKING A GOLF COURSE AND TURNING INTO DEVELOPMENT.
OKAY? YOU'VE DONE A, A, AN ADEQUATE JOB OF THAT, BUT YOU'RE ALSO DOING A D I S BASED ON SEVERAL OPTIONS HERE.
UM, TWO I THINK ARE PROBABLY THE LEADING OPTION, WHICH IS THE CLUSTER VERSUS THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
OKAY? BUT, BUT YOU NEED TO DO A REALISTIC COMPARISON TO DO THE SEEKER CORRECTLY.
FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT IS THE, I NEED, I NEED TO KNOW WHEN I'M LOOKING AT 175, UH, POUND HOUSES, WHAT IS THE IMPACT FROM A PERMEABLE SURFACE BASIS VERSUS AS OF RIGHT BUILDING A HUNDRED NINETEEN TWENTY FOUR A HUNDRED SQUARE FOOT HOMES, NOT 4,500 SQUARE FOOT HOMES, BECAUSE THAT'S THE REALITY.
WITHOUT THAT, I DON'T SEE HOW WE, WE COULD DO THAT.
UNDER JUST ONE THING, BETWEEN YOU AND HUGH, SO I MAKE SURE JAMES AND MAX, I WANNA MAKE, I NEED SOME HELP HERE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT GETTING CONFUSED.
THE 4,500 WAS WITH REGARD TO THE TOWNHOUSE LAYOUT OR THE SINGLE NO, JAMES, THE TOWNHOUSE LAYOUT.
HUGH, WE WERE TALKING HUGH, THE, THE, THE ISSUE THAT JONATHAN ADDRESSED EARLIER, AND, AND I MAY BE MISUNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION.
WE GOT A WRITTEN QUESTION FROM AARON AND GARRETT THAT INDICATED THAT OUR D E I S IDENTIFIED OUR TOWNHOUSE UNITS AS 4,500 SQUARE FOOT STRUCTURES.
JONATHAN'S ANSWER, AND I BELIEVE A CORRECT ANSWER, WAS THAT THE BOXES WE SHOWED ON THE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT NOW, WE'RE DESIGNED TO PRESENT A WORST CASE SCENARIO AS REQUIRED BY
WE KNOW THAT THE UNITS WITHIN THOSE BOXES WILL ALMOST ENTIRELY BE SMALLER.
AND, AND WHAT, AND LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION THEN.
UH, GUYS, WHAT IS THE, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE ASSUMED ON THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? THAT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO MAKE SURE YOU AND JONATHAN DIDN'T.
I WANNA, I WANNA KNOW BOTH, BOTH, DAVID.
AND JAMES, OR, OR MAX, CAN YOU LOOK THAT UP WHILE WE'RE, WHILE I JUST YOU, THAT THE, THE FORD DID INCLUDE BASEMENT, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
SO IN ESSENCE IT WAS THREE, YOU KNOW, THREE LEVELS OF HOME IN THAT, IN THAT 4,500.
SO, AND SHOULD THE REASON WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP.
THE REASON I'M BRINGING ALL THIS UP NOW.
AND THE REASON WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, AND, AND I'M REALLY TRYING TO HELP YOU HERE, YOU'LL SEE WHY IN A SECOND.
YOU'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO HELP US.
UM,
SO IT'S GOTTA BE AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON.
AND RIGHT NOW, WHAT YOU'VE GOT IN THERE, IT'S OKAY VERSUS NO BILL VERSUS POSSIBLE CASE VERSUS NO BUILD THAT'S REQUIRED.
THAT'S REQUIRED, REQUIRED BY, BY SEEKER.
BUT TO BE EFFECTIVE HERE, YOU NEED TO SHOW MORE THAN THAT.
YOU NEED TO SHOW THE IMPACT, RELATIVE IMPACT OF WHAT YOU PLAN, WHAT YOU PLAN, YOU THINK YOU WOULD BUILD WITH TOWNHOUSES VERSUS WHAT YOU THINK YOU WOULD BUILD FOR, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE ANALYSIS AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S GONNA DETERMINE WHAT WE DO HERE.
MAX OF THE HOUSE, ARE WE CLEAR OF, UH, UH, YOU'VE QUESTIONED, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE THIS RESULT
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INTO A QUESTION AND WE DON'T HAVE A PHILOSOPHICAL, I'LL PUT IT AS A QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN.PUT AS A PUT IT AS A QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE QUESTION.
THE QUESTION, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
CAN I PUT IT AS A QUESTION? YES, GO AHEAD.
THE QUESTION WOULD BE, WHAT IS THE COMPARATIVE IMPACT, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF WHAT YOU WOULD REALISTICALLY BUILD, ASSUMING TOWNHOUSES VERSUS WHAT YOU'D REALISTICALLY BUILD? ASSUMING THE QUOTE AS OF RIGHT, WE HATE THE WORD AS OF RIGHT, BUT WE KNOW WHAT WE MEAN UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING IN SINGLE FAMILY.
THAT IS THE QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN, IN THE, UH, IN, IN THE ASK TO MIND.
JUST TO CLARIFY, HUGH, IF I CAN JUST, YOU WANT THAT AS TO IMPERMEABLE SURFACE AREA FOR STORM WATER, IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC.
IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE REALLY IN TERMS OF, UH, REVENUE.
IT'S REALLY A QUESTION OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND ENGINEERS, THE ENVIRONMENTAL THINGS.
ALTHOUGH I CAN'T TELL YOU, DAVID, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT IT FROM A POPULATION POINT OF VIEW, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK IT'D BE OF INTEREST AS WELL BECAUSE, AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A WASH WHEN I DID THE MATH OR PRETTY CLOSE TO A WASH, BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD, YOU HAVE, YOU SHOULD PUT THE QUESTION, WHAT'S THE IMPACT OF POPULATION TOO? ALL THE IMPACTS, I THINK.
UM, MAX OR JAMES, IF YOU HAVE THE HOUSE, THAT'S ALL WE WANT RIGHT NOW.
I HAVE
WE'RE, UH, UH, FOOTPRINTS THAT YOU SHOWN THE
AND JAMES, IF I MAY ADD SOME COLOR TO THAT, UH, IN THE BUY RIGHT DEVELOPMENT, SO SPECIFICALLY THE HOMES WOULD BE IN THE R 20 DISTRICT AT 4,000 SQUARE FEET.
WELL, THE HOME IN THE R 30 DISTRICT AT 5,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH AVERAGES THAT TO 47 56.
UM, FOR YOUR ANALYSIS, ULTIMATELY, I'M GONNA BE CLEAR THAT THE BASEMENTS ARE EXCLUDED, UH, UNDER CERTAIN SCENARIOS.
SO WE'LL WORK WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S ACCURATE.
THAT'S FINE IN THAT REGARD, BUT IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S MARKETABLE TO OVER 55 IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
I'M NOT SURE 5,000 SQUARE FOOT, EVEN FOUR
BUT THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE, AS A I, I KNOW ZONING COMPLIANT.
DAVID INSTRUCTED ME TWO YEARS AGO.
I'M SUPPOSED TO SAY ZONING COMPLIANT PLAN, NOT AS A RIGHT.
JOHN, I UNDERSTAND YOU NEEDED TO DO THAT BY, BY LAW.
YEAH, I THINK THE OTHER NO, NO, NO.
BUT THE, EVERYONE HOLD UP EVERYONE.
I KNOW THAT CHAIRMAN WANTS, WE'RE GETTING INTO DEBATING WHAT'S BEST.
THE PURPOSE IS TO GET THE QUESTION OUT, CLEARLY ARTICULATE THE QUESTION, SO WE COULD GET ANSWERS WHEN YOU COME BACK TO US WITH, UH, THE DRAFT OF THE FINAL.
SO I DON'T WANT TO SPEND TIME YES, SIR.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE CLEARLY ARTICULATE THE QUESTION.
WE GOT IT, HUGH, AND WE'LL, WE'LL ADDRESS.
ONE OTHER QUESTION WHILE I'VE GOT THE FLOOR, UH, EMERGENCY ACCESS, IS IT ONLY GOING TO BE THROUGH THE, UH, THE ACCESS ROADS, THE TWO AXIS ROADS IN DOBBS FERRY? UH, HOLD ON, LET ME JUST GET MY SCREEN BACK ON SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL LOOKING.
WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT, JONATHAN, WE HAVE A BOULEVARD ENTRANCE AT THE FRONT TOO.
SO TECHNICALLY WE HAVE TWO WAYS IN, TWO DIFFERENT PATHWAYS AT THE FRONT.
UH, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE WESTERN ENTRANCE THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN.
AND WE HAD, WE DIDN'T SHOW ANYTHING AT THE REAR OF JONATHAN, IF YOU, IF YOU ZOOM OUT.
BUT THERE IS, AS YOU KNOW, THERE IS THE CAPABILITY OF HAVING ADDITIONAL CONNECTIONS SHOULD, UH, IT BE REQUIRED GOING THROUGH THOSE BUFFER AREAS.
I SHOULD SAY EMERGENCY ACCESS CONNECTIONS.
IT WOULD BE EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY, IS MY QUESTION, DAVID? CORRECT.
IT'S A SITE PLAN, FINAL DETAIL THAT COULD CERTAINLY BE SHOWN AT ANY TIME.
THE NEXT QUESTION WAS ONE OF, ARE THERE ANY SITUATIONS WHERE ONE OR MORE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY COULD BE UNDER THE AGE OF 55, INCLUDING NOT LIMITED TO A SPOUSE OR CHILD OR GRANDCHILD, UM, LEGAL CUSTODIAN OR A CHILD OF A SUPERVISOR LIVING ON PREMISES? YES.
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UNDER 55, UM, BUT MORE, BUT NO PERSON UNDER 19 SHALL OCCUPY A UNIT FOR MORE THAN 120 DAYS.SO IN, IN PLAIN AND SIMPLE MEANING THAT THE CHILDREN, THAT CHILDREN WOULD BE ALLOWED TO LIVE THERE FOR FOUR MONTHS A YEAR, SO THAT THE KIDS COULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO STAY WITH THEIR PARENTS OR THEIR GRANDPARENTS WHEN THEY'RE NOT IN SCHOOL.
THAT WAS, I'M SORRY, I SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT THAT WAS MY QUESTION, BUT, UH, THAT WASN'T EXACTLY THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN WASN'T EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT.
IN THE QUESTION AND THEN YOU CAN ANSWER.
THERE'S TWO SEPARATE SITUATIONS.
YOU HAVE A SITUATION WHERE A PERSON KNOWINGLY WHEN THEY PURCHASE THAT A CHILD, UH, CHILDREN ARE NOT SUBMITTED FOR, THERE'S A RESTRICTIVE, UH, PERIOD WHERE A CHILD COULD BE ON THE PREMISES.
SO YOU BUY THE PROPERTY WITH THAT FULL KNOWLEDGE.
MY QUESTION WAS IF, UH, UH, ONCE A PERSON OWNS THE PROPERTY AND GOD FORBID, UH, UH, THEIR, UH, THE PARENTS ARE ILL OR DIE OR, AND, UH, SAY THE GRANDPARENTS GET LEGAL CUSTODY OF THAT CHILD, WHAT, WHAT RULES APPLY IN? DOES THE SAME RULE APPLY? THAT'S, YOU HAVE TO MOVE.
DA DAVID, WOULD YOU HAND THAT FROM THE LEGAL FRONT FOR ME? YEAH.
SO, SO, UM, I THINK MR. CHAIRMAN, THE BEST WAY TO ANSWER THAT IS LET US TAKE A LOOK AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT PROPOSED DECLARATIONS OF COVENANTS AND EASEMENTS THAT GOVERN AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITIES AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF EMERGENCY EXCEPTION BUILT IN, LIKE YOU'RE SUGGESTING.
I DON'T WANNA ANSWER IT ON THE FLY, 'CAUSE IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DOCUMENTED IN THAT DECLARATION AND IT PROBABLY HELPFUL.
I JUST WANTED MY QUESTION TO BE CLEAR.
ALRIGHT, UM, THE NEXT QUESTION WAS, CAN THE PREFERRED PLAN, THE PUD 55 AND OVER PUBLIC PARK MULTI-FAMILY BE BUILT WITH FEWER UNITS? IF NOT, WHY NOT? SO, YES, THE ANSWER IS, IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE BUILT PHYSICALLY BUILT WITH LESSER UNITS.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS, AS YOU'LL SEE IN OUR DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES, HAS BEEN THE DIFFERENT DIFFERENTIATING FACTOR IS OUR, IS OUR, UM, PROGRAMMING OF THE PARK.
SO WE'RE WILLING TO SPEND OUR OWN FUNDS OR DEDICATE FUNDS TO THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT, UM, FOR THE ACTUAL BUILDING OF THE PARK FACILITY, NOT JUST THE DEDICATION OF THE LAND.
UM, DOES THE APPLICANT PLAN TO BUILD IN TWO PHASES SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS DONE AT HOUSES BUILT ON THE EXTENSION OF GREENVILLE CIRCLE IN THE JUNIPER HILL SECTION OR AVALON ON TAXTER? THIS IS WHAT IS ALSO BEING DONE WITH THE LA LATEST TWO NURSERY SCHOOLS.
IF NOT, WHY NOT? BUILDING TWO PHASES ALLOWS THE TOWN TO DETERMINE IF THE DEVELOPMENT HAS ANY UNANTICIPATED EFFECTS ON THE TOWN AND ALLOW TIME TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS IF NEEDED PRIOR TO, TO FULL BUILD OUT? UM, THOUGH WE, IT, IT, THE, THE ANSWER IS REALLY NO.
THE WAY THAT THE PLAN LAYS OUT OUR VISION IS, IS THAT WE WOULD GO IN, WE WOULD IMPROVE THE PROPERTY, UM, PUT IN THE ROADS, PUT IN THE DRAINAGE, PUT IN ALL THE HORIZONTAL IMPROVEMENTS, AND THEN THE UNITS WOULD BE BUILT OUT, WOULD BE BUILT OUT OVER TIME.
SO WE'RE NOT REALLY PLANNING TO, TO PHASE IT.
UM, FRANKLY, IT CAN BE, IT CAN BE MORE COSTLY AND CREATE A BIGGER DISTURBANCE AND IMPACT DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, IF WE WERE TO COME IN MULTIPLE TIMES AND, AND BUILT, SO NORMALLY I WOULD TELL YOU THAT IN OUR PROJECTS, WE GO IN AND WE BUILD, WE PUT IN ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS AND, AND THEN BUILD, BUILD HOMES.
MY MAIN QUESTION IS WHETHER 175 UNITS IS THE RIGHT NUMBER FOR THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT 175 UNITS IS AN INCREASE OF DENSITY OVER THE CURRENT ZONING AS IT EFFECTIVELY, EFFECTIVELY TREATS THE ENTIRE PARCEL AS R 20, I BELIEVE IT WAS 175 UNITS AT THREE BEDROOMS FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT VERSUS 119 UNITS AT FOUR BEDROOMS IN HIS ZONING COMPLIANCE, SINGLE FLAM, SINGLE FAMILY PLAN B.
WHY NOT 155? WHAT'S THE MAGIC NUMBER TO 1 75? BESIDES MORE INCOME TO THE APPLICANT, UM, I BELIEVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DISCUSSED NOT INCREASING DENSITY.
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SO I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT SHOULD BE ALLOWED.UM, I DID GET INTO THE PART ABOUT THE, THERE'S SORT OF NO, UH, LEMME DO THIS AGAIN.
YES, THE ANSWER IS CORRECT, OR THE FIRST PART IS CORRECT ABOUT THE R 20 AND THE 175 UNITS ASSUMES THAT THERE'S AN R 20 ZONE ACROSS THE ENTIRE PROPERTY BEFORE THAT THE PUD BEFORE THE P.
UM, SO, UH, THERE'S ALSO A NUMBER OF OPTIONS AVAILABLE FOR THE SITE, BUT WE THINK THAT OUR PROPOSED PLAN GIVES THE BEST COMBINATION OF BENEFITS SO THAT, UM, WHICH INCLUDE TAX DOLLARS, OPEN SPACE PARK EXPANSION, THE PROGRAMMING AS I JUST MENTIONED OF THAT, UM, ALONG WITH THE BUFFERS FROM THE EXISTING HOMES, WALKING TRAILS, AND THEN LESS TRAFFIC WITH THE, WITH THE 55 AND OVER.
UM, SO WE, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE MORE UNITS THAN A ZONING COMPLIANT DEVELOPMENT, AS I SAID ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE, WE HAVE 45 ACRES OF PASSIVE OPEN SPACE ALONG WITH THE 14 POINT ACRE LAND DEDICATION AND PROGRAMMING.
AND, AND MAX, YOU CAN, YOUR, YOU'RE, UM, AUDIO DO CALL GARBLED.
DON'T WE ALL WISH WE KNOW WHAT MAX WAS GONNA SAY.
NEXT QUESTION, JONATHAN, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE END OF THE LIST THAT WE WERE PROVIDED.
MAX, DO YOU WANNA TAKE ANOTHER SHOT THERE? SEE IF YOUR AUDIO'S CORRECT.
ANY CHANCE THIS IS BETTER? GOT MUCH BETTER.
I MOVED AN INCH AND THAT CLICKED IN.
UM, BUT I WAS JUST GONNA ADD ON, JONATHAN, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN REGARDS TO THE LAST QUESTION.
UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE 119 UNITS BY, RIGHT, AND JONATHAN, YOU WERE ALREADY SPEAKING TO THIS, BUT JUST WANT, I JUST WANTED TO ARTICULATE THAT WITH THOSE 119 UNITS BY RIGHT ZONING COMPLIANT, YOU DON'T SEE THAT KIND OF SIGNIFICANT OPEN SPACE, BOTH PASSIVE AND ACTIVE WITH THE LAND DEDICATION AS COMPARED TO OUR P U D PROPOSAL.
SO GARRETT AND AARON, THAT'S, THAT'S SOME QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, UH, WOULD LIKE TO ADD AT THIS POINT SO WE CAN, IT LOOKS LIKE MS. F*G HAS A QUESTION OR COMMENT.
I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT I THOUGHT OF AS THEY WERE DISCUSSING PLANS.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION OF DOING COMBINATION OF TOWNHOUSE AND SINGLE FAMILY? UM, WE DID THINK ABOUT IT.
UM, WE, WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT, BUT WE REALLY DIDN'T.
WE REALLY, IT, IT, IT, IT'S, WE DIDN'T THINK IT LAID OUT RIGHT FOR IT, OR WE, WE REALLY THINK THAT TOWN HOMES WAS THE BEST.
WE DEFINITELY DON'T LIKE A MIX BETWEEN ACTIVE ADULT AND NOT ACTIVE ADULT.
UM, IT COULD STILL BE 55 PLUS.
GIVEN, GIVEN PEOPLE, UM, OPTIONS OF HOW THEY CHOOSE TO LIVE.
SOME PEOPLE WANT A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE, OTHERS WANT A LITTLE LESS SPACE, WANT SOME WANT TO DOWNSIZE, SOME WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE MORE SPACE AS THEY MOVE FROM PERHAPS A LARGE, LARGER HOUSE TO MAYBE A LITTLE SMALLER, BUT NOT QUITE AS SMALL.
UM, IS THAT AN OPTION? AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE LESS THAN 175, BUT MORE THAN 119, YOU KNOW, LIKE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN.
IS THAT NOT ON THE TABLE? WELL, THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT THEY, THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED, SO, OKAY.
CAN THAT BE ANSWERED THE QUESTION? NO, THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION IN THE DRAFT IN THE, UH, FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL.
SO JUST TO RECAP, CHAIRPERSON, SO JUST TO RECAP, UM, UH, SO WE HAVE THE QUESTIONS THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, ANSWERED THIS EVENING.
SO THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE START OF THE LIST.
AND I HAVE, UH, FROM TONIGHT, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, OR FIVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
AND YOU, BEFORE YOU DO, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THAT AS I, AS I STATED BEFORE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK OF SOMETHING, UM, OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS, TELL ME, JUST EMAIL THEM INTO STAFF AND WE'LL ADD THEM TO THIS LIST.
THEN AS, AS WE NOTED JANUARY 20TH, WE'LL PRODUCE THAT LIST TO YOU AND YOU'LL JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, VIA MEMO, UM, AS AN INVOLVED AGENCY VOTE THAT IT'S ACCURATE, WE'LL SEND THAT TO THE TOWN BOARD AND, UM, YOU'LL HAVE HEAVILY CONTRIBUTED TO THE D E I S AS AN INVOLVED AGENCY.
I, IT GOES BACK TO MY, MY THEME, BUT ON, ON A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT PART.
IT'S BEYOND JUST ENVIRONMENTAL.
UM, I'D LIKE TO LOOK, I THINK I THE QUE I'LL DO IT IN A QUESTION FORM.
WHAT IS, DID I DUNNO, BY THE WAY, WE
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HAVE TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT TONIGHT.WALTER SIMON WAS LEAVING THE PLANNING BOARD TO, TO REPLACE ALEX TREBEK AS, UH, THE, THE, UH, HOST ON JEOPARDY STARTING, UH, IN JANUARY.
I JUST THOUGHT EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW THAT.
SERIOUSLY, BACK TO THIS FINANCIALLY, IS THERE A COMPARISON? WHAT WOULD THE COMPARISON FROM A TAX REVENUE POINT OF VIEW B FOR AS YOU WOULD PLAN TO BUILD THE TOWNHOUSES VERSUS AS YOU PLAN TO BUILD THESE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? THE ANSWER IS YES.
I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT ALREADY, BUT WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE DO.
I'M TALKING ABOUT AS YOU PLAN TO BUILD, JONATHAN, UNDERSTAND.
MY POINT WAS, IS THAT THE ECONOMICS THAT YOU'VE SEE IN THERE ARE BASED UPON WHAT WE ON THE PRICES AND THE VALUES.
BUT WE WILL CLARIFY THAT FOR SURE.
BOTH OF YOUR POINTS ON SIZE ARE GREAT POINTS, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS ACCURATE.
THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION TO ADD.
UH, WALTER, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, I KNOW THAT THIS IS A ALL ON, UH, KIND OF LAYOUT, UH, EXERCISE, BUT, UH, WHAT IS SOME OF THE DETAILS OF, UH, IMPERVIOUS SURFACES AND, UH, UH, DIFFERENT IDEAS FOR SUSTAINABILITY, UH, HAVING AOUS, UH, PAVERS AND, UH, UM, ALSO WHAT KIND OF SORT OF THINGS CAN LOOK LIKE SIMILAR TO WHAT MICHAEL'S QUESTION ABOUT THE KIND OF THE FEEL FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE, UH, LOOK OF THE COMMUNITY.
SO IF YOU CAN COME BACK AND TELL JONATHAN, THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE SHOULD DO IN WRITING.
I DON'T, IT'S IN SHORT, I DUNNO THE ANSWER TO THAT ONE ANYWAY, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? OKAY.
NOW AS THE, AS THE INDICATOR DAVID, DAVID FRIED HAS A COMMENT, UH, CHAIR.
I JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE POINTS THAT YOU RAISED ARE VERY, VERY GOOD.
UM, I DON'T WANNA GET LOST ON OR, OR LIMITED NECESSARILY TO WHAT HE SAID, IF THE APPLICANT THINKS WITH RESPECT TO OTHER ITEMS THAT WERE NOT NECESSARILY ADDRESSED SPECIFICALLY BY YOU WITH WHAT IS, WHAT YOU HAD TO DO UNDER C AND DOING THAT NATIONAL BUILD OUT TO WHAT YOU REALLY WOULD END UP DOING.
SO THAT EFFECTS HAVE BEEN, INVOLVES IMPERVIOUS, INVOLVES, UH, REVENUE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT MIGHT BE AS IT MIGHT ASSIST THE BOARD AND THE TOWN BOARD TO SEE THAT COMPARISON.
UH, AS WELL AS BEST AS YOU CAN.
YOU DON'T WANNA, YOU KNOW, GO CRAZY HERE, BUT, UH, IT MAY BE VERY HELPFUL FOR EVERYONE.
MR. UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I WOULD REMIND, UH, UH, THE, THE BOARD THAT, UH, THE TIME WHEN WE WILL EVALUATE THE TOTAL LIST IS ON JANUARY THE 20TH.
SO YOU HAVE, WHAT'S THAT, UH, UH, A GOOD SIX WEEKS OR SO TO, UH, TO THINK ABOUT THIS AND COME UP WITH ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
IF YOU DO, SHOOT THEM OFF TO GARRETT AND HE WILL COMPILE THAT LIST.
AND THEN ON THE 20TH WE WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE LIST THAT WE WANT TO SPEND.
UH, THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE WANT TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE FINAL, UH, E I S.
SO I JUST REMIND THE BOARD MEMBERS WE HAVE TO SAY THE WEEK BEFORE OUR 20TH MEETING TO, UH, TO SUBMIT ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, UH, CONTINUE WORKING WITH, WITH YOU ON THE PROJECT.
UH, TO FINE TUNE, UH, THE PROJECT TO MAKE SURE IT'S THE BEST POSSIBLE PROJECT FOR NOT ONLY THE APPLICANT, BUT ALSO FOR THE TOWN.
SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND COMING UP WITH, UH, A, A, UH, GOOD FINAL PRODUCT.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING US AGAIN.
AND THANK YOU, THANK MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST IN THE PROJECT.
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WE WILL CONTINUE WORKING ON OUR F E I SS.WELL, ENJOY THE HOLIDAY, SEEING HOW WE WON'T SEE YOU IN UNTIL JANUARY.
I'LL FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET IN HERE ONE MORE TIME IF I CAN.
SO,
I'LL JUST BOTHER GARRETT AND AARON.
UH, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE, THE AGENDA IS TB 2009.
THAT'S OUR PLANNING BOARD 2018.
I, I WANT TO GO OVER THE PROCESS THAT, OKAY.
FIRST OF ALL, WE, UH, UH, THE GOAL HERE IS TO, UH, UH, COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION, UH, AS YOU, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND GARRETT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I, UH, I TOOK THIS FROM THE TAPE RECORDING OF THE PLANNING OF THE TOWN BOARD THAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR, UH, US TO MAKE A DECISION TO, UH, TONIGHT.
AND THEN THEY WILL THEN, UH, I TAKE, THEY PLAN TO HAVE TWO MEETINGS IN DECEMBER.
I, I WOULDN'T SAY TELE BOARD'S LOOKING FOR YOU TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, THEY REFERRED YOU AN APPLICATION AND, UM, RIGHT.
SO YEAH, I'M, UH, OKAY, MAY I PHRASE IT DIFFERENTLY? ACCORDING TO THEIR SCHEDULE, THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A DECISION, I BELIEVE ON THE, THAT THEY HAVE TWO MEETINGS IN, IN DECEMBER.
AND, UM, UH, AND THEY WOULD, IF WE MAKE A DECISION TO, UH, TONIGHT, THEY COULD, UH, REVIEW THAT THE FIRST MEETING, AND THEN AT THE SECOND MEETING IN DECEMBER, THEN THEY COULD, UH, UM, UH, MAKE A DECISION BEFORE YEAR END.
SO I, I THINK THAT IS THE TOWN'S BOARD, UH, UH, UH, SCHEDULE.
THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, UH, DO, DOES THAT FIT INTO OUR SCHEDULE? AND CAN WE ACCOMMODATE THAT SCHEDULE AND DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE? AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DO DUE DILIGENCE TO ALL THE PLANS THAT IS BEFORE US.
I BELIEVE WE CAN, AND I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST MAKE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO DO THAT THIS EVENING.
AND WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS, IS, IS, IS THE RECOMMENDATION IS, IS IN TWO PARTS.
THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THE, UH, THE CODE ITSELF, THE FACT THAT THIS IS IN A ONE FAMILY DISTRICT.
UH, ALTHOUGH THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PLAN MIGHT WORK FOR NORWOOD, IT STILL WAS SETTING THE PRECEDENT AND, AND, AND THIS CONCERNS ON THE CODE ITSELF.
SO I WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO DISCUSS THE CODE ITSELF, ASIDE FROM THE APPLICATION, THE CODE ITSELF, AND WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT THE CODE.
AND THAT WOULD BE WHAT, UH, AND WE MAKE A DECISION WHAT, AND MAKE A STATEMENT ABOUT THE CODE.
THE OTHER PART IS, IS, IS TO LOOK AT THE APPLICATION THE SAME WAY WE WOULD LOOK AT ANY APPLICATION.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE STEEP SLOPES, THE WETLANDS, THE, UH, THE SCREENING OF, UH, SAFETY.
NO, LIKE ANY OTHER APPLICATION, WE GO THROUGH THAT AND, UH, AND WE MAKE AN EVALUATION ON THAT APPLICATION, AND WE MAKE A STATEMENT ON THAT APPLICATION.
UH, IF WE THINK, UM, OUR ANSWERS, ALL OUR ANSWERS ARE ADDRESSED.
ONE THING, IF WE THINK SOME OF THEM ARE ADDRESSED AND SOME WERE NOT ADDRESSED, WE SHOULD STATE THAT ALSO.
BUT, UM, SO THAT'S THE WAY HOW I WISH TO PROCEED.
AND I THINK FROM THAT, WE'LL COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION.
COULD BE, IT COULD BE POSITIVE, NEGATIVE, OR NEUTRAL.
WE, IT, YOU KNOW, WE, IT SHOULD BE BASED UPON THIS BOARD LOOKING AT ALL THE DATA AND COLLECTIVELY COMING UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION.
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I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE DISCUSSION ON THE CODE, JUST THE CODE AND WHAT ISSUES THAT IS THAT THIS PARTICULAR CODE PRESENT.UH, I, I, I KNOW IF YOU HAD SOME, UH, UH, EXPRESSED SOME STRONG OPINION ABOUT THAT.
SO I'LL START OFF WITH YOU AND, AND YOU, YOU TO TALK ABOUT THE CODE, NOT THE APPLICATION, THE CODE.
AND, AND MR. SCHWARTZ, I'M SORRY, BEFORE YOU START, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE BOARD THAT GOING INTO THE LAST MEETING ON NOVEMBER 18TH, UM, STAFF DID PREPARE FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, YOUR CONSIDERATION, A DRAFT RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD WITH RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, A POTENTIAL, UH, ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT.
SO WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE YOUR, YOU KNOW, FEEDBACK COMMENTS, UM, AND WHATNOT FROM TONIGHT, AND THEN ADD TO THAT RECOMMENDATION, IF YOU WILL.
SO WE ALREADY HAVE THE FRAMEWORK FOR THAT IN PLACE.
I JUST DIDN'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT WE'RE KIND OF STARTING FROM SCRATCH HERE, RIGHT? SO, UM, JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE.
AND, AND, AND, UH, SO YOU, I LIKE THIS STUFF FROM YOU AND, AND, AND, AND CONSIDERING WHAT, UM, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, UH, UH, SAID THAT WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANNA STOP, UH, IF ANY OF THE ISSUES IN THE DRAFT, YOU AGREE WITH DISAGREE.
BUT ANYHOW, I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO STOP THE BALL ROLLING.
I DON'T THINK THAT THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAVE, UH, GOTTEN FROM, FROM THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE, FROM STAFF, UM, ACTUALLY SOLVES THE PROBLEM.
'CAUSE THE PROBLEM STARTS WITH THIS PARTICULAR, WITH THIS PROJECT, NOT THE NEXT PROJECT.
UM, AND THAT'S MY, MY, MY CONCERN FROM A LEGAL POINT OF VIEW.
UM, THE, UH, SPECIAL PERMIT LAW THAT THEY'RE U THE SPECIAL PERMIT PROVISION THAT THEY'RE USING IN THE CODE, UH, DATES FOR WAY BEFORE ANYBODY THOUGHT OF, UH, OF TESLA AND, UH, AND ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE DONE.
SO IT DID NEVER ANTICIPATED A FACILITY SUCH AS THIS.
UM, SO I FIND IT VERY DIFFICULT TO, TO, UH, BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD BE, THAT THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO USE A SPECIAL PERMIT, RATHER, COULD NOT HAVE ANTICIPATED THIS TO DO THIS.
IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN WIND FARMS WEREN'T ANTICIPATED, UNLESS YOU WERE DUTCH, I GUESS, AND, AND LIVED IN HA LIVED IN HOLLAND AND LOWLANDS, BUT WIND, UH, WIND POWERS.
WE KNOW TODAY, WIND FARMS COULD ANTICIPATED EITHER, UH, COULD WE USE THE SAME THING TO, TO DO WIND FARMS? SOLAR FARMS WEREN'T, WEREN'T ANTICIPATED BACK WHEN THAT LAW WAS WRITTEN EITHER.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN.
MY BET IS IT WAS SOMETIME AND NOT IN THE LAST 30 OR 40 YEARS, IS MY GUESS, IS WHEN THAT LAW WAS UPDATED.
THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW, THE THINGS THAT IT, THAT IT ACTUALLY PROHIBITS ARE LARGE, I HATE TO CALL 'EM STRUCTURES, BUT YOU ALMOST HAVE TO, IT, IT PROHIBITS, UM, OFFICE BUILDINGS.
IT, IT PROHIBITS SUBSTATIONS AND IT PROHIBITS STORAGE YARDS.
THE PROBLEM IS, IT DOESN'T TELL YOU WHAT, IT ACTUALLY DOESN'T PREDICT WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS AUTHORIZING.
MY GUESS IS IT'S FOR SMALL TRANSFORMERS OR SWITCHING STATIONS ARE, ARE, ARE PUTTING ON, ARE PUTTING A, HAVING TO PUT A POLE ON SOME ON, ON A PROPERTY IS AN EASEMENT.
WHAT, I CAN'T ANTICIPATE THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
IT'D BE BEING FOR A PIECE OF, FOR A FACILITY I'LL CALL IT, INSTEAD OF A STRUCTURE THAT'S AN ACRE IN SIZE.
SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT, UM, WE SHOULD BE USING THIS PERMIT TO, UH, TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE THIS PROJECT.
CAN I PICK UP ON THAT? UM, YEAH, PLEASE.
LOOK, UH, IT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE THE PLANNING BOARD.
WE'RE NOT THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
AND, UM, WE DON'T OPINE ON, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S ZONING COMPLIANT.
BUT I WOULD JUST MAKE THIS COMMENT, WHICH I THINK SHOULD BE IN OUR
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RECOMMENDATION.IT SHOULD BE A NOTE, UM, UNDER, UNDER, UH, 25 DASH 10 IN FOUR.
YOU KNOW, UM, YOU CAN GIVE A SPECIAL PERMIT IN AN R 30 OR 40 ZONE FOR A PUBLIC UTILITY STRUCTURE.
OKAY? A PUBLIC UTILITY STRUCTURE AS DEFINED IN 2 85 DASH FIVE PUBLIC UTILITY IS ANY PERSON, FIRM, CORPORATION OR GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY DULY AUTHORIZED TO FURNISH TO THE PUBLIC UNDER GOVERNMENTAL REGULATION.
OKAY? SO IT HAS TO BE UNDER GOVERNMENTAL REGULATION.
THIS, THIS, YOU KNOW, BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM IS NOT UNDER GOVERNMENTAL REGULATION.
NUMBER TWO IS THAT, AND I THINK WE SHOULD ALSO POINT THIS OUT TO THE TOWN.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD, THEY COULD BE PERMITTED WHEN SAID FACILITIES ARE NEEDED TO SERVE THE TOWN OR THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD SUBJECT TO A DETERMINATION BY THE TOWN BOARD, THEN NO OTHER REASONABLE LOCATION IN THIS DISTRICT OR IN A LESS RESTRICT RESTRICTED DISTRICT CAN BE UTILIZED.
SO THE QUESTION IS FIRST, IS IT A PUBLIC UTILITY? LOOK, I DON'T THINK IT IS, BUT I'M NOT RENDERING A FORMAL LEGAL OPINION.
SECOND, THE QUESTION IS WHETHER IT CAN BE LOCATED IN A LESS RESTRICTED DISTRICT.
THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL ZONE, IT'S A GOLF COURSE, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
AND I'M CONCERNED THAT IT WOULD SET A PRECEDENT FOR LOCATED THESE FACILITIES IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
I MEAN, I DON'T WANT ONE NEXT TO ME.
I DON'T WANT ONE, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED YARDS FROM ME.
SO IF, IF, IF THE TERM APPROVES THIS, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRESIDENT PRESIDENTIAL VALUE, I'M DONE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS FROM ANY OF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS REGARDING THIS? THE CODE? JUST THE CODE.
WALTER, I JUST WANNA ADDRESS, UM, WHAT MICHAEL SAID.
'CAUSE HE IS RIGHT IN TERMS OF OUR POLICY, WHAT IT HA WHAT OUR, THE PLANNING BOARD POLICY IS AND HOW WE SHOULD DEAL WITH IT.
UM, WE AS A BOARD HISTORICALLY, HAVE NEVER ACTUALLY APPEALED OURSELVES A, UH, BUILDING INSPECTOR DECISION.
THAT HAS BEEN THE POLICY OF THIS BOARD FOR THE 20 YEARS, ALMOST THAT I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD.
UM, HOWEVER, I DO THINK WE HAVE THE RIGHT IN OUR RECOMMENDATION TO URGE THE TOWN BOARD TO QUE TO TO DO THAT, REFER IT TO THE ZONING BOARD.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND AT THIS POINT THAT IT KEEPS WITH OUR TRADITION, IT UNDERSCORES WHAT MICHAEL SAID AND THE POINTS THAT I'VE MADE IN TERMS OF THIS.
THE, UM, CORRECT ME IF I, IF PLEASE, IF I STRAY OFF OF THE INTENT OF THIS DISCUSSION.
OVERALL, THE, UH, PRECEDENT CONCERN, I'M ON BOARD WITH THAT.
UM, ONLY BECAUSE TRADITIONALLY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT DEALS WITH, UH, ENERGY SOURCES OVER THE YEARS, WE'VE COME TO REALIZE THAT POWER LINES CAN BE A SOURCE OF CANCER, RIGHT? WE DON'T KNOW, UH, 50 YEARS FROM NOW WHAT THE EFFECT OF LITHIUM BATTERIES COULD BE ON SOCIETY AS A WHOLE.
UM, THESE A S C OUR PHONES ARE CONSIDERED, UH, ACTUALLY RADIOACTIVE DEVICES BECAUSE IT ADMITS RADIATION.
SO, UM, WITH REGARDS TO THE ULTIMATE FATE OF THE GOLF COURSE DOWN THE ROAD, AND IF IT'S HERE 50 YEARS FROM NOW ON AND BECOMES A, A RESIDENTIAL AREA, UM, BECAUSE THE, UH, THIS, THIS FACILITY IS WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE, I TOO SHARED A CONCERN ABOUT, UM, THE POTENTIAL IMPACT IT MIGHT HAVE IN THE FUTURE.
SO THE PRECEDENT OVERALL THAT MICHAEL BROUGHT UP, I THOUGHT IT, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO CONSIDER.
SO FROM A, A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, AND AGAIN, LET ME KNOW IF I'M GOING OFF, OFF TOPIC.
WOULD IT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO HAVE WRITTEN IN AS PART OF THE TOWN CODE WHERE IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR THESE TYPE OF FACILITIES TO EXIST, BEING THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A CHANCE THAT THERE'LL BE MORE OF THEM COMING EVEN AFTER THIS PROPOSAL? NO, THAT,
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THAT, THAT'S ABOUT, THAT'S ABOUT A COMMENT IN THAT, AND I THINK IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER COMMENTS IN TERMS OF THE CODE IS THAT THE CO THE, THE CURRENT CODE DOES NOT CLEARLY SET STANDARD FOR THESE TYPE OF FACILITIES IN RESIDENTIAL AREA.SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CODE ITSELF.
SO IT, THAT IS A, A, A SHORTCOMING, UM, IN THE CODE AND I THINK IN, UH, UH, OUR RECOMMENDATION THESE, THAT THESE ARE VALID POINTS TO, UH, TO BRING UP.
SO, UM, NO, YOU'RE NOT OFF COURT.
SO THESE ARE VALID POINTS TO BRING UP.
UH, ARE THERE, I'D SAY, I'M TRYING TO JUST HIGHLIGHT THE KEY THINGS THAT WE WOULD PUT IN OUR STATEMENT ABOUT THE CODE BEFORE WE GET SIMON.
I THINK MS.
I AGREE WITH WHAT HUGH AND MICHAEL WERE SAYING ABOUT OVERRIDING THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
I, UM, COMMISSIONER, I DON'T SEE US, UM, OVERRIDING HIM.
UM, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, QUITE FRANKLY, AND YET I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH SAYING, UM, THAT THIS FITS WITHIN OUR CODE BECAUSE IT CLEARLY DOES NOT QUITE FIT THERE.
UM, I LIKE WHAT HUGH WAS SAYING ABOUT GOING BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD AND ASKING THEM TO TAKE ANOTHER HARD LOOK AT THIS.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I AM COMFORTABLE WITH, AND I THINK PERHAPS THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO SAY.
UM, THAT SITS BETTER WITH ME THEN, YOU KNOW, SAYING, GOING BACK AFTER 20 YEARS, I DIDN'T KNOW IT'S A 20 YEAR, UM, TIMEFRAME THAT WE'VE NEVER GONE AGAINST THE, UM, BUILDING COMMISSIONER.
I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE FOR TWO YEARS.
THAT'S NEWS'S BEEN HERE FOR 20 YEARS.
WELL, IT'S PROBABLY A BIT LONGER THAN THAT,
IT'S THE BATTERIES, WHAT WILL IT BE TOMORROW? THERE ARE MORE AND MORE THINGS COMING UP, AND THESE THINGS ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO COME AT US WITH NEW THINGS IN THE CODE.
AND I DON'T KNOW, THERE HAS TO BE A PLAN OF HOW WE WILL ATTACK THEM OR HOW WE WILL DEAL WITH THEM.
SO THERE HAS TO BE A WAY FOR US TO, UM, HANDLE THESE INCIDENTS AS THEY COME UP.
SO WILL IT ALWAYS BE A SPECIAL PERMIT? HOW WILL WE CONTINUOUSLY HANDLE THESE TYPES OF SITUATIONS? DAVID, THANK YOU.
OKAY, SO LET ME, I I'LL ANSWER HIS QUESTION FIRST AND I'LL GO BACK TO, UH, TO WALTER.
SO I, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WALTER SAID AT THE FIRST MEETING, THIS, THIS CAME UP, UM, UH, HE RECOGNIZED AND, AND EVERYONE RECOGNIZES, UH, THE NEED TO, UH, MAKE A CODE CHANGE REGARDLESS OF ANY FEELINGS ABOUT THIS APPLICATION.
UH, IT, IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED.
AND I THINK, UH, EVERYONE, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE'S STAFF, UH, ENCOURAGES THAT, AND I THINK EVERYONE ON THE BOARD AGREES WITH THAT.
AND SO THAT, UH, I THINK ANSWERS THAT QUESTION.
SO WE'RE NOT QUITE IN THIS POSITION.
UM, WALTER, I THINK YOUR QUESTION WAS WITH RESPECT TO, AS TO, UM, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
THE, THE LAW IS THE BUILDING INSPEC INSPECTOR MAKES, UH, HIS RECOMMENDATION.
IT CAN BE CHALLENGED, IT CAN BE CHALLENGED BY, UH, RESIDENTS.
IT CAN BE CHALLENGED BY AN APPLICANT IF THE APPLICANT DOESN'T LIKE IT.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, IT GOES TO THE Z B A AND THE Z B A MAKES A DETERMINATION ON THAT.
SO PRIVATE CITIZENS CAN, UH, IT HAS NOT BEEN TRADITION, UH, OF THE BOARD, UH, TO MAKE THAT, UH, TO MAKE THAT CHALLENGE.
UM, I THINK HUGH'S SUGGESTING, UH, THAT THE, UH, TOWN BOARD, UH, MAKE THAT CONSIDERATION.
AND IF THE TOWN BOARD WANTS WISHES TO CHALLENGE IT OR ASK THE BUILDING INSPECTOR TO, TO, TO LOOK AT IT, THAT'S
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FINE.I'M NOT GOING, I'M NOT PUTTING WORDS INTO WHAT HUG SAID DAVID, DAVID EX, EXCUSE ME FOR ONE SECOND.
I THINK WHAT YOU SAID IS, IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, EXCEPT LEGALLY WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE UNDER THE CODE COULD A ACTUALLY CHALLENGE ABILITY REFER TO THE Z B A OURSELVES? OH, SURE, SURE.
IT'S JUST NOT BEEN TRADITION FOR US TO DO IT.
ANYONE, ANY BOARD CAN DO IT, UH, CAN DO THAT.
AND, AND, AND, AND, AND JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT, UH, MISQUOTING WHAT YOU SAID YOU EITHER, IS THAT WE, AND, AND PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION, UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT, UH, UH, MICHAEL'S POINT, THAT, UH, IT'S, UH, UH, WHETHER THAT IS A PUBLIC UTILITY AND IT'S SUBJECT TO GOVERNMENT REGULATION INVESTMENT, THE CASE.
AND, UH, AND UH, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE WANT TO ALSO POINT OUT THAT WE'RE SETTING THE PRECEDENT BY GOING INTO A, UH, UM, A RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
AND THEN IN ADDITION, WHEN, UH, ANOTHER POINT WOULD BE THAT WE, UH, RECOMMENDED THE TOWN BOARD CHALLENGE THE CODE.
WELL, YEAH, BUT IN TERMS OF THAT, WALTER MICHAEL, SP SPENCER ARE VERY GOOD ONES.
BUT THERE WERE ALSO THE POINTS I MADE THAT THE LAW WAS DRAFTED.
THAT, THAT THIS PROVISION IN THE LAW WAS DRAFTED BEFORE, UH, ELON MUSK WAS A HOUSEHOLD NAME.
OKAY? SO I HAVE THAT IN MY NOTE, COULD HAVE BEEN BEEN ANTICIPATED.
AND THE FACT THAT WHAT IS PROHIBITED ARE LARGE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANNA CALL THEM NOW, MAYBE WE COULD FIGURE OUT WHERE, WHERE FACILITIES, SIGNIFICANT FACILITIES ARE ACTUALLY PROHIBITED IN THE FORM CURRENTLY OF THE THINGS THEY DID ANTICIPATE AT THE TIME, WHICH ARE, ARE STORAGE YARDS, OFFICES AND SUBSTATIONS OKAY.
ARE PROHIBITED UNDER THIS, THIS CODE.
YEAH, I, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE LAW, YOU, THE, THE, THE DEFINITION OF PUBLIC UTILITY WAS LAST AMEN.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, I AM NOT SUGGESTING WHAT, WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD DO IS JUST POINT OUT, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUES AND SEND IT TO THE TOWN BOARD TO LET THEM MAKE A DETERMINATION.
I DON'T THINK THE PLANNING BOARD HAD EVER SUGGESTED WE SHOULD NOT GO TO THE, UH, Z B A.
NO, I, I'M AGREEING WITH THAT, MICHAEL.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE SHOULD RECOMMEND THAT THEY RECONSIDER WHETHER THIS, THIS FACILITY, I'M SAYING 23 YEARS OLD, THE DEFINITION OF PUBLIC UTILITY.
IT'S, IT'S, I'M SAYING NO, BUT IT'S, IT THAT'S, THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR SIDE.
THAT'S WHY I WANT TO KEEP THE TWO ISSUES.
WE, WE, WE SHOULD HAVE ONE SECTION THAT'S TALKING ABOUT THE LAW, AND WE BRING UP ALL THESE POINTS THAT WE DISCUSSED WHY THESE ARE, THESE ARE MAJOR CONCERNS FOR THE PLANNING BOARD.
WELL, I'VE DOCUMENTED THEM ALL FOR YOU.
DO YOU HAVE TO DISCUSS THIS COMPONENT MORE? ARE WE READY TO
MICHAEL DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF ACTUALLY TYING IT TO THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH HIS CONCERN ABOUT PRECEDENT, WHICH I A HUNDRED PERCENT AGREE WITH.
IT'S NOT ONLY YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A, SO IT'S TIED TO THIS PROPERTY AS WELL.
SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE OUR, YOU KNOW, THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE LAW THAT THESE ARE ALL, UH, UH, OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE LAW.
AND, AND, AND THAT SHOULD BE ONE SECOND.
IF, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE ISSUES ABOUT THE LAW ITSELF? ANY OTHER, UH, POINTS OF, OF, OF, YOU KNOW, OF CONCERN ABOUT THE LAW? I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT WHAT SIX POINTS THERE THAT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER CONCERNS ABOUT THE LAW? WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD IDENTIFY, IF NOT YOU, YOU HAVE THOSE POINTS, GARRETT, THAT THE BOARD FEAR THAT, UH, ON THE LORD ITSELF, WE THINK IT, UH, UH, IS, IS NOT, UH, UH, UH, I COULD GO THROUGH MY NOTES IF YOU WANT REALLY QUICK JUST TO SUMMARIZE.
SO THIS IS NOT LIKE A NEUTRAL NEGATIVE OR A POSITIVE VOTE.
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MAKING A, FINDING THAT, UM, THE SUBJECT APPLICATION AND USES LIKE IT, UM, NOT, THE COURT DOES NOT FEEL THAT THEY FIT WITH AS A PUBLIC UTILITY BY THE CODE.WE'LL GIVE SOME RATIONALE THERE.
YOU TALKED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE PROHIBITED, LIKE STORAGE YARDS, THE NOT UNDER GOVERNMENT REGULATION TO FORMULATE THE BASIS FOR WHY YOU FEEL THAT IT'S NOT, UM, PROPER.
UNDER THAT SPECIFIC CODE SECTION, WE'LL IDENTIFY THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRECEDENT OF ALLOWING THIS TYPE OF USE IN ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT, WE CAN TACK ON AS WELL AS THINGS LIKE WIND FARMS AND SOLAR FIELDS WITHOUT SPECIFIC REGULATIONS FOR THE ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICTS.
UM, YOU CAN URGE THET BOARD TO REVISIT, UM, THIS USE, UH, QUESTION.
UM, AND THEN YOUR CONCERN, YOUR CONCERNS RISE TO THE LEVEL WHERE YOU FEEL THAT THE CODE SECTION SHOULD BE UPDATED.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE SUMMARY WE WOULD WRITE UP ON THAT ASPECT.
UM, AND IF YOU WANNA VOTE ON THAT, MAYBE THAT MAKES SENSE.
UM, GARRETT, I, I THINK ALSO IT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT WE WANNA CONSIDER USES BEYOND THIS FOR THE CODE.
SO OTHER ENERGY RELATED ENERGY GENERATION, YOU KNOW, WIND FARM.
WELL, I MENTIONED THAT GENERATION'S VERY DIFFERENT THAN STORAGE, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF CHANGE GOING ON IN THE ENERGY INDUSTRY, ALL PANELS.
WE'LL WRITE THIS UP, WE'LL SEND IT TO YOU TOMORROW, THE NEXT DAY.
AND THEN THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CLOSE THE LOOP ON THAT COMPONENT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT RISES TO THE LEVEL, LEVEL OF YOU VOTING, DAVID, MAYBE YOU CAN HELP, OR, OR IF WE CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND DO THAT AND, UM, SEND THAT.
I THINK YOU, I THINK YOU DO YOU ROW ON THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE, ONE ASPECT I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD POLL THE MEMBERS.
DON'T TAKE A VOTE, JUST SEE WHAT EVERYBODY THINKS.
IS THERE ANY MEMBER WHO DISAGREES WITH THIS APPROACH? GOOD.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UNDER THIS CODE SECTION, UM, MORE SITE SPECIFIC FOR THIS APPLICATION.
SO, UH, WE CAN DRAFT UNANIMOUS AGREEMENT.
AND WE CAN DRAFT UP, UH, SOMETHING.
UM, IF YOU WANNA TAKE A VOTE, UH, THAT'S FINE.
AND THAT WAY IT, IT GOES OUT THE VOTE.
OTHERWISE WE CAN JUST SAY THE PLANNING BOARD EXPRESSED ITS CONCERNS.
BUT I THINK YOU, I THINK WHAT YOU DO WANT IS A VOTE.
I THINK WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL, UNTIL WE, I THINK WE SHOULD PUT THIS IN ONE RECOMMENDATION.
TO, TO, I'VE JUST PUT IT IN A SEP DAVID.
IT SHOULD BE IN A SEPARATE SECTION AS WALTER POINTED OUT FOR SURE.
WE SHOULD HAVE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION OF THIS, BUT I WOULD PUT IT ON ONE RECOMMENDATION OKAY.
ABOUT AT THE END OF TONIGHT ON THE ENTIRE RECOMMENDATION.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT LOUIS, THAT, THAT'S MY PET ISSUE.
WELL, I, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSIONER SENT OUT SOME POINTS, UM, THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED BY EMAIL, WHETHER THE PLANNING BOARD DECIDES, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION IT DECIDES TO MAKE BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THE AMENDED SITE PLAN, UM, REFERRAL.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE PUT TOGETHER SOME POINTS AND HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THOSE ONE BY ONE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WERE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THEM.
SOUNDS LIKE MICHAEL HAS A QUESTION RELATED TO NOISE.
AND THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT ULTIMATELY HAS TO BE DIRECTED TO THE APPLICANT WHO'S HERE TONIGHT THIS EVENING TO SPEAK.
UM, SO HOWEVER YOU WISH TO DO THAT.
THIS IS WHAT OUR POSITION IS ON THE CODE.
NOW WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE APPLICATION AND TREAT IT THE SAME WAY WE WOULD TREAT ANY APPLICATION IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT, UH, STEEP THROATS, WETLANDS, THE SAFETY, UH, SCREENING NOISE, AND JUST GO THROUGH THE APPLICATION NOW AND, AND, AND, AND, UM, THE SAME WAY AND, AND MAKE A DECISION, UH, UH, ON THE APPLICATION.
THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO, UH, OR MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE APPLICATION BECAUSE, UH, FAIR.
WELL, THE STEEP SLOPE LAND, THAT'S WITHIN OUR, OKAY.
SO WE'VE GOT STATE LAND RECOMMENDATION TO DISCUSS HERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, BOARD MEMBERS HAVE COMMENTS SAID, LET LET THE APPLICANT LET THE APPLICANT MAKE THE PRESENTATION.
AND WE GO THROUGH EACH SECTION AND WE, AND WE MAKE THE COMMENTS ABOUT IT
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LIKE WE DO IN ANY OTHER, UH, SITE PLAN.SO I LIKE TO START WITH THE APPLICANT MAKING A PRESENTATION.
THANK, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UH, CAN, CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME OKAY? YES, WE CAN.
MR. SHRED, BUT BEFORE YOU START, I, I, I JUST, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS GONE THROUGH, YOU KNOW, AND EXPLAIN THE PROPOSAL TO THIS BOARD, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST ONCE AND PROBABLY AT MULTIPLE MEETINGS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO DO THAT.
UM, AT THIS STAGE, I FEEL LIKE THERE WERE QUESTIONS ASKED, UH, AT THE LAST MEETING AND BETWEEN THE LAST MEETING AND TODAY THAT WERE FORWARDED TO THE APPLICANT, UM, THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO ANSWER THOSE.
AND THEN ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS, UH, MAY HAVE OR ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY, IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT FOLLOWING THAT, THAT THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER AND PERHAPS PULL THE BOARD ON, ON WHAT DIRECTION IT WANTS TO GO TO WITH RESPECT TO A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
YEAH, AARON, I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK ALL OF US ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS APPLICATION.
WE DON'T DO RESPECT TO, UH, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TO HEAR THIS AGAIN.
SO JUST START WITH THE QUESTION.
YEAH, IF I COULD JUST SPEAK IN JUST TO LET EVERYONE KNOW, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US THIS EVENING.
I JUST WANNA INTRODUCE WHO'S ON THE TEAM THAT'S ON TONIGHT THAT'S GONNA BE FEELING THESE QUESTIONS FROM YOU ALL.
SO JUST, YOU HAVE ME AS COUNSEL, UH, FROM STRATA, YOU HAVE JAMES ROBINSON, WHO'S OUR DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.
YOU ALSO HAVE STEVE MAFIAA FROM THE ASSOCIATES ON ANY TRAFFIC ISSUES.
UH, FROM INSIGHT NORTHEAST ENGINEERING, WE HAVE JOHN ROMEO.
AND THEN FROM ENERGY STORAGE RESPONSE GROUP, WE HAVE PAUL ROGERS TO ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS.
UM, WE DID SUBMIT, UH, RESPONSES TO SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD THE LAST TIME THAT YOU WERE HERE.
AND WE DO, LIKE I SAID, I KNOW TONIGHT, TODAY RATHER, THERE WAS A SITE VISIT.
I KNOW SOME OF YOU, UH, HAD, HAD PARTICIPATED IN THAT, AND I KNOW, UH, I'M SURE YOU'LL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AS A RESULT OF THE SITE VISIT TODAY.
SO, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I WILL TURN THIS OVER, UH, TO ADDRESS AT LEAST TO JAMES, UH, FROM STRATA TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD AT THE LAST MEETING.
I, I JUST WANNA KNOW, JUST FOR THE RECORD, AS AN ASIDE, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN, UH, DISCUSSION AND GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CODE AND THE RECOMMENDATION.
YOU KNOW, WE ARE BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD.
WE STARTED AS A PUBLIC HEARING THERE, UH, ON THE SPECIAL PERMIT.
UH, YOU KNOW, I WANNA REITERATE, I KNOW THE BUILDING INSPECTOR MADE A DETERMINATION WITH RESPECT TO THIS PROPOSED USE BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE SPECIAL PERMITTED USE IN, IN THIS DISTRICT.
AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, I KNOW SOME OF THE MEMBERS STATED THAT WE'RE NOT A PUBLIC UTILITY.
UH, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THE BUILDING INSPECTOR HAS STATED THAT WE, WE DO QUALIFY AS A PUBLIC UTILITY.
YOU KNOW, WE ARE REGULATED BY THE FEDERAL, FEDERAL REGULATORY COMMISSION, THESE BATTERY UNITS.
UM, SO I, I WANNA MAKE SURE, I DON'T WANNA GET SIDETRACKED.
YOU'RE GONNA MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION, BUT IN TERMS OF THE SPECIAL PERMIT, WHICH WE HAVE TO CONVINCE THE TOWN BOARD OF, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST, I KNOW THERE ARE COMMENTS BEING MADE, BUT WITH THE TOWN BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THEY, THEY THINK WE DO QUALIFY AND WE DO QUALIFY AS AS A PUBLIC UTILITY.
SO I DON'T WANNA GET SIDETRACKED FROM THAT DISCUSSION.
BUT OVERALL, WITH RESPECT TO THIS FACILITY, AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THAT PRESENTATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
WE WE'RE HERE TONIGHT REALLY TO ADDRESS THE SAFETY ISSUES THAT YOU HAD.
UH, WE ALSO HAD ISSUES REGARDING THE NOISE THAT MR. GOLDEN RAISED AT THE LAST MEETING, INSURANCE DECOMMISSIONING, AND ALSO THE ETHYLENE GLYCOL, UH, ISSUE THAT YOU RAISED MR. SIMON, CHAIRMAN SIMON, AT THE LAST MEETING.
SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET THAT IN AN E PACKAGE FREE.
HOPEFULLY YOU ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS TONIGHT.
SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, WE CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE NOW WITH OUR TEAM.
BUT IF THE PLANNING BOARD HAS ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS RIGHT OFF THE BAT, WE WILL DO THAT.
I THINK IT'S BEST YOU GO INTO YOUR PRESENTATION, AND THEN AFTER THAT, THE BOARD CAN GO AROUND, EITHER ASK QUESTIONS OR MAKE THEIR COMMENTS AND, UH, PERHAPS, UH, YOU KNOW, INDICATE, UH, HOW THE, HOW THE EACH MEMBER WANTS TO PROCEED ON, ON THIS.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, UM, I'LL, I'LL TURN THIS OVER TO JAMES.
JAMES, DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS SOME OF THE POINTS THAT WERE RAISED IN OUR CORRESPONDENCE, UH, THAT WE SUBMITTED BACK ON THE NOVEMBER 25TH TO THE PLANNING BOARD? UM, YEAH, SURE.
SO THIS IS THE LIST OF THE 12 QUESTIONS THAT CAME ACROSS YESTERDAY, CORRECT? YES.
AND ALSO, YEAH, AND FOLLOWING UP SOME OF THE, THE ITEMS THAT WERE MM-HMM.
SO IF YOU CAN ADDRESS YOUR COMPONENT OF THAT, AND THEN WE'LL TURN IT OVER, UH, TO PAUL AND HE CAN JUMP IN AS WELL ON THOSE, ON THE SAFETY.
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LET'S START WITH THE NOISE, SINCE I KNOW THAT THAT'S OF, UH, YOU KNOW, A BIG, A BIG TOPIC OF CONCERN.AND WE DID HAVE THAT SIDEWALK WALKTHROUGH TODAY.
UM, WE SUBMITTED, UH, SOME INFORMATION BACK ON THE 25TH THAT HAD TAKEN A LOOK AT NOISE READINGS, UH, AT THE SITE CURRENTLY, AS WELL AS AT SOME OFFSITE LOCATIONS, UM, INCLUDING THE NEAREST BUILDING THAT IS NOT AFFILIATED WITH THE COUNTRY CLUB, WHICH IS 500 FEET AWAY FROM THE SITE.
UM, AS WELL AS AT THE, UH, SOME, SOME TESLA UNITS THAT ARE SIMILAR, ALBEIT SMALLER THAN THE PROPOSED SYSTEM AROUND THE AREA.
UM, SO THERE ARE, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE NUMBERS THAT WE SUBMITTED BACK IN THE MEMO, BUT THE, THE GIST OF IT WAS THAT THE NOISE THAT WE ARE EXPECTING FROM THE PROJECT WILL NOT SIGNIFICANTLY CONTRIBUTE TO ANY, TO THE OVERALL NOISE LEVELS AT ANY BUILDINGS THAT ARE NOT AFFILIATED WITH THE COUNTRY CLUB.
UM, AND SO IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE METROPOLITAN GOLF CENTER, WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT THE BACKGROUND READING, WHICH IS CURRENTLY 62 TO 67 DECIMALS DURING THE DAY WOULD BE INCREASED TO ROUGHLY 62.3, UH, TO 67.1 DECIBELS WITH THE PROJECT, WHICH IS A ALMOST, UH, NEGLIGIBLE AMOUNT.
UM, SINCE THEN, WE'VE ALSO, UH, TAKEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE, UH, THREE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD ON THE SITE AND AS ALSO VISITING A NEARBY TESLA PROJECT.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO OPEN THIS SOFTWARE DISCUSSION ON THE NOISE ISSUE IN PARTICULAR.
UM, BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THE LONGER LIST OF, OF QUESTIONS, UH, UH, I HAD A QUESTION AT THE SITE TODAY.
UM, YES, UH, WE VISIT THE UNIT AND CLEARLY NO WAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF NOISE, BUT THE UNIT WAS SUBSTANTIALLY SMALLER.
I THINK IT'S COORDINATED LESS COMPARED TO 20.
SO I DID SAY MEGAWATTS, I'M SORRY.
UH, I DID A ASK IF THERE IS ANY, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY CALCULATION THAT CAN, UH, SAY IF YOU HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DECIBELS AT, UH, THAT, UH, AT THIS SIZE UNIT, UH, THEREFORE YOU CAN EXTRAPOLATE WHAT WILL SOUND LIKE WITH THE LARGER UNIT.
I DON'T KNOW IF SUCH A ENGINEERING CALCULATION EXISTS WHERE YOU COULD DO THAT EXTRAPOLATE, BUT I DID ASK IF THERE WAS AN ENGINEERING EXTRAPOLATION EQUATION THAT WILL DO THAT.
AND, AND THERE IS AN EQUATION THAT WOULD TAKE DECIBEL READINGS FROM A GIVEN SOURCE AND THEN MULTIPLY IT BY X NUMBERS OF THAT SAME SOURCE.
UM, I THINK THE ISSUE IS THAT THE DECIBEL READING AT THE SITE WAS SO LOW, UM, AS TO BE INDISTINCT INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM BACKGROUND, THAT IT'S NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR LIKE WHAT THAT READING THAT WE WOULD THEN MULTIPLY BY, BY THE 40 X WOULD, WOULD BE.
UM, BUT JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, IF WE WERE TO TAKE, UH, THE, THE 60 DECIBELS, WHICH IS A BACKGROUND READING, SO NOT REALLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE SYSTEM, AND TO MULTIPLY BY 10 10, YOU WOULD END UP WITH, WITH 70 DECIBELS.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE A, YOU DON'T MULTIPLY BY THE 10, BUT YOU, SO IT WOULD GO UP, UM, BUT NOT AS MUCH AS, UM, AS YOU WOULD THINK, JUST FROM THE, JUST FROM THE, UH, NORMAL MATH.
UH, BUT, BUT WITHOUT REALLY BEING ABLE TO HAVE, UM, ANY DECIMAL READING HIGHER THAN BACKGROUND, IT'S JUST NOT REALLY CLEAR WHAT WE WOULD BE MULTIPLYING.
I I, I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS, UM, JAMES AND YOUR TEAM.
I, I, I APPRECIATE, I I I DO APPRECIATE THE EXTENSIVE EMAIL YOU SENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, NOVEMBER 25TH, I, I KNOW YOU'RE REALLY MAKING A, UH, BIG ATTEMPT TO EXPLAIN WHAT DECIBELS MEAN TO US.
UM, BUT IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND DECIBELS READING NO PIECE OF PAPER.
HOWEVER, WE WERE AT THE, WE WERE AT THE SITE TODAY, AND THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF AMBIENT NOISE COMING FROM THE VARIOUS HIGHWAYS, UM, TO 87, YOU KNOW, UM, NORWOOD ROAD.
AND THEN THE AMBIENT NOISE WAS 60 62 DECIBELS, UM, WHICH IS RELATIVELY HIGH, IT SEEMS TO ME.
AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE WENT TO ANOTHER SITE, IT, IT, IT, TO LOOK AT BATTERIES.
THEY WERE ONE 40TH OF THE SIZE.
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I RIGHT ABOUT THAT? I THINK SO.ONE 40TH OF THE SIZE OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT, IT, IT, IT, IT DIDN'T REALLY HELP VERY MUCH.
I, ALTHOUGH I'M, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW YOU WERE DOING THE BEST YOU COULD, BUT HERE'S MY CONCLUSION.
MY CONCLUSION IS THIS, UM, THE, THE BATTERY'S GONNA BE PUT INTO SORT OF A BOWL.
I MEAN, EVERYTHING FROM THAT SITE IS UPHILL, WHICH SCREENS THE SOUND SIGNIFICANTLY.
THE, THE, THE, THE LOCATION THAT WILL RECEIVE MOST OF THE NOISE IS NO WOOD COUNTRY CLUB, WHICH IS MAYBE 150 FEET FROM THE BATTERIES.
WELL, YOU KNOW, TOUGH ON THEM.
THEY'VE APPROVED THIS, THEY LEASED IT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT.
UM, MY FEELING IS THIS, I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE BATTERIES SOUND LIKE.
I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY SOUND LIKE WHEN THEY'RE CHARGING, DISCHARGING, COOLING, WHINING, PURRING, HUMMING, YOU KNOW, COUGHING, WHATEVER, BARKING.
UM, BUT IN TERMS OF THE NOISE, NOISE, UM, I'M NOT CONCERNED.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST ADD, HAVING BEEN HERE TODAY AS WELL, UM, EVEN THOUGH THE TESLA UNITS WERE A FRACTION OF WHAT THIS WOULD BE, THEY WERE SO QUIET.
I MEAN, WE REALLY HAD TO GET UP AND PUT YOUR EAR TO THE CABINET TO TO HEAR SOMETHING.
I'M NOT CONCERNED EITHER IN THAT SENSE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU MULTIPLY IT BY, YOU KNOW, THE ADDITIONAL UNITS, WHAT THAT DECIBEL LEVEL IS, BUT I DON'T SUSPECT IT'S GOING TO BE VERY HIGH.
AND, AND MICHAEL BRINGS UP AN EXCELLENT POINT THAT IT IS, IS, IS IN A BOWL AND YOU HAVE, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY FEET, 40 FEET OR WHATEVER THE, THE HEIGHT IS OF, UH, A MAN AND BACK ITSELF ACT AS A SOUND BARRIER.
CAN YOU MOVE ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION THEN? I I JUST HAVE A COMMENT SINCE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT NOISE.
UM, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, SO IN THE EMAIL THAT WAS PROVIDED, UM, THERE WAS A BULLET POINT UNDER THE SECTION ON LANDSCAPING NOISE AND, AND WETLANDS.
UM, AND IT STATED, UM, YOU KNOW, TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION IN NYSERDA NEW YORK BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM GUIDEBOOK FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ISSUED OCTOBER, 2020, THAT THE AGGREGATE NOISE LEVEL FROM THE BATTERY SYSTEM AND ALL ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT NOT EXCEED 60 DECIBELS MEASURED AT THE NEAREST OCCUPIED BUILDING.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS IN THERE.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WOULD BE INTERESTED IN PUTTING INTO A RECOMMENDATION, BUT WE DO HAVE THAT LANGUAGE, AND I JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF IT IF YOU HADN'T SEEN IT, BECAUSE I KNOW IT CAME MIGHT BE TO PUT IN AND I I WOULD BE, I WOULD BE NOT THE NEAREST OR UH, UH, UH, UH, UH, OH, IT SAID RESIDENT OR BUILD NEAREST OCCUPIED BUILDING.
NOW, NOW CAN, CAN THE APPLICANT MEET, CAN THE APPLICANT MEET THAT STANDARD? YES, LET'S HEAR FROM YOU.
60 DECIBELS AT THE NEAREST OCCUPIED BUILDING, WE CAN MEET THAT STANDARD.
SO IT'S 70, IT'S 75 DECIBELS OF ONE YARD, AND THEN IT, IT, IT'S WHAT IT, IT REDUCES EXPONENTIALLY BY DISTANCE.
UM, I CAN PULL UP THE CALCULATION, BUT I, WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS PREVIOUSLY, WE WERE WELL BELOW THE 60 DECIBEL LIMIT AT THE NEAREST OCCUPIED BUILDING.
THEY WERE IN THE THIRD, JUST PUT THAT IN AS A CONDITION.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE MEMOS THAT CAME THROUGH.
OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT, THE NEXT QUESTION.
UH, WILL THE APPLICANT ONCE, OH, I'M SORRY.
OKAY, SO NEXT I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO TALK ABOUT, UM, THE TESLA ENVIRONMENTAL SAFETY.
UM, THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ETHYLENE GLYCOL THAT IS USED IN THE EQUIVALENT SYSTEM.
I, I, I'M GONNA LET JOHN, UH, SPEAK TO THAT IN A SECOND BEFORE I DO, I, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, THIS IS TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THE NOVEMBER 25TH MEMO THAT WE, WE ARE AGREEING TO CARRY INSURANCE ON THE PROJECT AND TO NAME THE TOWN AS ADDITIONAL INSURED.
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AND A PART OF THAT INSURANCE THAT WE'RE COMMITTING TO COVER COVERING IS, UM, $1 MILLION AT LEAST FOR SUDDEN AND ACCIDENTAL POLLUTION.UM, SO THERE IS SOME COVERAGE THERE THAT, THAT THE TOWN WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, HAVE, UH, IN, IN THE CASE OF, IN THE CASE OF A LEAK.
AND, UM, THAT'S IN ADDITION TO THE DECOMMISSIONING BOND THAT WE HAVE ALSO AGREED TO, UM, TO CARRY.
UH, SO THERE IS SOME FINANCIAL COVERAGE.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, JOHN, CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE, TO THE ENGINEERING PROTECTIONS THAT WE CAN OFFER? YES, THANK YOU JAMES.
MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
UH, CHAIRMAN SIMON, I DID GET YOUR QUESTION.
UH, WE TRIED TO ANSWER IT IN THE MEMO, UH, BUT WE ALSO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WE CAN SHARE THIS EVENING.
SO AS I MENTIONED IN THE MEMO, THE THE USE OF BE AND GLYCOL IS FAIRLY UBIQUITOUS.
IT'S FOUND IN ALL, YOU KNOW, VEHICLES ON THE ROAD, A LOT OF COOLING SYSTEMS IN COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS ON MANY BOATS, AND OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE USED GENERALLY IN THE ENVIRONMENT AT LARGE.
UM, WHILE IT IS SOMEWHAT TOXIC, IT IS GENERALLY CONSIDERED FAIRLY SAFE DUE TO ITS QUICK HALF-LIFE.
TESLA HAS INSTALLED SEVERAL THOUSAND OF THESE TYPES OF BATTERY, BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS, BOTH LARGE AND SMALL IN BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS WITHOUT THE NEED FOR ANY SUPPLEMENTAL CHEMICAL CONTAINMENT SYSTEMS BEYOND WHAT'S TYPICALLY PROVIDED WITH THE STOCK SYSTEM ITSELF.
UM, TO THAT END, YOU KNOW, WE'RE COMMITTED AS A, THE APPLICANT AND DEVELOPERS COMMITTED TO NOT IMPACTING THE, THE ENVIRONMENT AS HE MENTIONED HE IS.
THEY'RE PROVIDING THAT INSURANCE.
UM, AND UH, IF THAT'S A CONDITION THAT YOU ARE GOING TO REQUIRE IS TO PROVIDE SOME SUPPLEMENTAL INSURANCE, THEY WILL COMMIT TO PROVIDING THAT SUPPLEMENT, OR SORRY, THAT A SUPPLEMENTAL SECONDARY CONTAINMENT ON THE SITE.
THEY WILL COMMIT TO PROVIDING SOME FORM OF SUPPLEMENTAL CONTAINMENT ON THE SITE.
WE JUST HAVE TO WORK WITH TESLA TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYTHING THAT WE PROPOSE DOES NOT CONFLICT WITH THEIR STANDARD ENGINEERING DESIGN SINCE THEY HAVE NOT HAD TO PROVIDE ANY OTHER CONTAINMENT, UH, OUTSIDE OF WHAT'S ALREADY PROVIDED.
CAN YOU JUST ASK WHAT YOU MEAN WHAT SUPPLEMENTAL CONTAINMENT? SO SUPPLEMENTAL CONTAINMENT, SO THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO OBVIOUSLY NOT LEAK, IT'S A CLOSED LOOP SYSTEM, SO THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED PRIMARY CONTAINMENT IS THE, THE CHEMICAL, THERE'S NO WAY FOR IT TO NECESSARILY SPILL OUT.
SECONDARY OR SUPPLEMENTAL CONTAINMENT WOULD BE SOME FORM THAT SHOULD LEAK IN AN EVENT WHERE THE HOSES BREAK BURST SOME, SOMETHING HAPPENS THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, UNFORESEEN, THE ETHYLENE GLYCOL WOULD BE CONTAINED IN A SECONDARY MEASURE OUTSIDE OF THAT PRIMARY CONTAINMENT.
THAT, AND, AND THAT WAS EXACTLY MY POINT IS THAT, UM, UH, UH, YOU NEED
UH, AND, AND, UM, AND ETHYLENE GLYCOL IS A TOXIC PRODUCT.
YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS, IT IS A, IT HAS A, A, A PRETTY HIGH LEVEL OF TOXICITY.
SO WE DO NOT WANT TO THAT TO GO INTO THE GROUND YET.
WE, MONETARY COMPENSATION IS GREAT AND WE WOULD WANT THAT, BUT WE DON'T WANT GET TO A POINT WHERE WE, UH, SEEKING MONETARY COMPENSATION, WE JUST DON'T WANT IT TO GET INTO THE GROUND.
SO A SECONDARY CONTAINMENT I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT DEFINITELY, UH, UH, UH, REQUIRED.
AND THERE'S ALL SORTS OF WAYS YOU COULD DO IT WITHOUT ACTUALLY IMPACTING, UH, THAT, UM, THE, THE BATTERY PACK, YOU KNOW, YOU MEAN BY PUTTING SOMETHING UNDER IT OR YOU LINING THE CONCRETE OR BLOCK.
THERE ARE MANY WAYS OF, UH, UH, PREVENTING PRODUCT GOING INTO THE GROUND WITHOUT AFFECTING THE OPERATION OF THE BATTERY PACK.
AND, UH, ONE MORE POINT THAT I NEGLECTED TO MENTION, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS WAS ACTUALLY DIRECTLY TO FROM YOUR, UH, COMMENT WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WILL WORK WITH TESLA TO SEE IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO SWAP OUT THE COOLING AGENT TO A LESS TOXIC SUBSTANCE SUCH AS THE PROPYLENE GLYCOL INSTEAD OF ETHYLENE GLYCOL.
UM, WE JUST, WE CAN'T PUT WORDS IN TESLA'S MOUTH ON THAT.
WE HAVE TO, TO CONFIRM WITH THEM THAT IT IS COMPATIBLE.
WELL, THE, THE PROPYLENE GLYCOL IS NOT AS, IN TERMS OF THE FREEZING POINT IS NOT AS EFFECTIVE AS ETHYLENE GLYCO NOT BRINGING IT TO A LOWER REASON POINT.
SO, SO IN TERMS OF PERFORMANCE, ETHYLENE GLYCO IS ACTUALLY A BETTER PERFORMANCE.
THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THAT DIFFERENTIAL IN
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PERFORMANCE WILL STILL ALLOW THE BATTERY PACK TO OPERATE EFFICIENTLY.HOW MANY OF THESE FACILITIES DO YOU ALREADY HAVE OPEN JOHN OR, OR, UH, JAMES.
SO, UM, STRATA IS OPERATING, UH, TWO FACILITIES DOWN IN NORTH CAROLINA, AND WE'RE ALSO BUILDING A A HUNDRED MEGAWATT FACILITY IN CALIFORNIA, WHICH WILL BE OPERATIONAL IN A FEW MONTHS.
THE TWO IN CAROLINA ARE ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS THIS ONE.
HOW MUCH SMALLER? SO THEY'RE ROUGHLY ONE MEGAWATT, AND THIS IS 20.
SO THIS WOULD BE THE LARGEST ONE THAT YOU'VE BUILT OUTSIDE OF THE WONDER BUILDING OUT IN CALIFORNIA NOW.
I, THERE'S LIKELY MORE OF THEM THAT ARE AHEAD OF THIS ONE IN OUR PIPELINE, BUT I'M SURE IF WERE, I'M TALKING ABOUT HISTORICALLY JAMES MM-HMM.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT GOING FORWARD.
UM, HAS ANYBODY BESIDES US ASKED YOU ABOUT INSURANCE OR, UH, A BOND? A BOND? UM, INSURANCE IS SOMETHING WE CARRY STANDARD, WHETHER OR NOT, UM, THE TOWN REQUIRES IT, UH, OBVIOUSLY PUTTING YOU AS THE ADDITIONAL INSURED IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO AND THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
AND IT IS A STANDARD THING THAT WE ARE ASKED QUITE OFTEN, UM, IN TERMS OF DECOMMISSIONING BOND, THAT, THAT VARIES CASE TO CASE, BUT IT'S NOT AN UNCOMMON REQUEST.
FROM, FROM, FROM, IN TERMS OF THE INSURANCE, IF YOU CAN TELL ME MM-HMM.
I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK THE NUMBERS, BUT IT'S GENERALLY REPORTS.
ONE OF MY PROBLEMS, JAMES, AT THIS POINT IS I DON'T KNOW WHAT CAN GO WRONG WITH THIS
I DON'T, I DO KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP CAN BE.
YOU COULD BURN UP A MILLION DOLLARS PRETTY EASILY IF THERE WERE MAJOR SPELL.
WHAT I WAS COMFORTED BY, AND THANK YOU, BY THE WAY, WHOEVER DRAFTED THAT MEMO ON THE 25TH, BECAUSE HAVING THE INTERNAL CONTAINMENT WAS EXTREMELY HELP HELPFUL TO ME.
SO THE CHANCES OF 80 OF THESE THINGS BREAKING DOWN AT ONCE ARE PROBABLY NOT THAT LIKELY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, INSURANCE IS FOR DISASTERS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO VALUE THE RESTORATION BOND EITHER.
AND I'M NOT SURE WHO IN OUR TOWN HAS THE EXPERTISE TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, NOT TO PUT WORDS INTO JAMES'S MOUTH, BUT THE DECOMMISSIONING, I THINK WE, WE HAD A NUMBER IN THERE, JAMES, I THINK IT WAS CLOSE TO LIKE, ABOUT 125,000 TO DECOMMISSION THESE THINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE DECOMMISSIONING BOND, GIVE OR TAKE, IT WAS IN OUR, IT WAS IN OUR MEMO.
UM, BUT I, I HEAR YOU POINT YOU IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD POINT.
'CAUSE LISTEN, THIS IS, IT'S A FAIRLY, WELL LITHIUM ION BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
YOU KNOW, THESE ARE JUST STARTING NOW TO POP UP.
BUT AGAIN, OTHER TYPES OF BATTERY PACKS OR IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, BUT THIS WILL BE ONE OF THE FIRST IN, IN THIS AREA, OTHER THAN THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE FOR THE NORTH.
SO I HEAR YOU AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN SAY IS WE COULD LOOK AT THE INSURANCE ISSUE AND REVISIT THOSE NUMBERS, BUT FROM, FROM, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, WE THINK, AGAIN, WE BELIEVE IT IS SUFFICIENT GIVEN THAT YOU'RE COUPLING THAT WITH THE POLLUTION, ALSO THE, THE INSURANCE ITSELF, PLUS THE FACT THAT WE'RE ALSO DOING DECOMMISSIONING.
SO I, I THINK, I THINK THE TOWN IS PROTECTING THAT REGARD, PARTICULARLY SINCE THESE THINGS ARE, ARE NOT DESIGNED TO LEAK.
I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONTAINED.
AND, AND I'M GLAD YOU, YOU READ THE MEMO AND YOU SEE WHAT, WHAT, WHAT GOES INTO THESE THINGS.
NEITHER OIL, NEITHER ARE UNDERGROUND OIL TANKS THAT ARE DOUBLE WALLED, BUT THEY DO LEAK.
I I, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN, IN, IN PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO ENVIRONMENTAL.
SO SITUATIONS AS SAYS MR. SIMON, I KNOW TOO.
'CAUSE HE WORKED FOR THE SAME COMPANY AT ONE POINT, AND I'M GONNA GET THOSE INVOLVED IN THAT.
SO, ANSWER, I, I THINK TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YOU, UH, IS THAT, UH, WHILE IT'S NOT IN OUR EXPERTISE IN THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WE DO HAVE INSURANCE BROKER.
AND THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT ONCE WE GOT THE INF YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET FULL INFORMATION, UH, FROM THE APPLICANT, WE CAN CHECK WITH OUR BROKER.
AND IF OUR BROKER IS NOT HAS EXPERTISE, CAN UH, UH, YOU KNOW, LOOK INTO THAT AS WELL.
AND PART OF THE PROBLEM IS WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE BREAKING NEW PART OF THE PROBLEM, DAVID, EVEN WITH THE BROKER.
AND I THINK THE TOWN BOARD NEEDS TO DO THAT.
AND WE SHOULD PROBABLY INCORPORATE THAT INTO OUR RECOMMENDATION.
OUR PROBLEM IS WE'RE BREAK, WE'RE BREAKING NEW GROUND.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ASSESS THE RISK PERSONALLY ON THIS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN EXPERT WHO DOES.
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MAY BE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ONE IN TIME ON THIS BOARD WITH REGARDS TO THE DECOMMISSIONING BOND, UH, THAT NUMBER WAS ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER BY, UH, MY OFFICE, OUR OFFICE, WHICH IS FAIRLY TYPICAL, UH, WITH OTHER TYPES OF SOLAR PROJECTS THAT I'VE WORKED ON.WE TYPICALLY WORK TOGETHER WITH THE TOWN ENGINEER WHEN WE GET TO THAT STAGE, YOU KNOW, UH, BEYOND INITIAL PERMITTING WHERE WE HAVE A BACK AND FORTH DISCUSSION REGARDING ALL OF THE, THE ITEMS, WE WILL BE GENERATING A VERY DETAILED LIST GOING THROUGH THAT FULL REVIEW BY THE, THE BOARD EVENTUALLY.
BUT THAT, THAT'S SEVERAL STEPS DOWN THE ROAD.
I, I HAVE A COMMENT, I HAVE A COMMENT ON THE LOOK, THE LIABILITY, DID YOU SAY A MILLION DOLLARS? THAT WAS FOR THE POLLUTION IN PARTICULAR? IT'S A MILLION FOR POLLUTION, MICHAEL.
BUT, BUT THE DECOMMISSIONING BOND OF 125,000 SOUNDS VERY LOW TO ME.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT ANYBODY LOOKING INTO IT, MOVING INTO IT MORE CAREFULLY BECAUSE 125,000, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA DO IT.
THAT'S, THEY SAID ON THE TOWN BOARD THAT, UM, TESLA'S TAKING CARE OF THE DECOMMISSIONING THE BULK BULK OF IT, THEY WILL BE TAKING THE BATTERIES THEMSELVES.
BUT WE WOULD BE OUR, THE INITIAL CALCULATIONS THAT WE CAME UP WITH INCLUDED TRANSPORTATION TO THE TESLA FACILITY IN BUFFALO.
AND THAT ASSUME, THAT ASSUMES THAT THERE'S BEEN NO POLLUTION OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL, WHICH WON'T BE COVERED UNDER THE INSURANCE AT THAT POINT.
THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN, YOU GONNA HAVE TO DO A CLOSER PLAN? I WOULD THINK WE CORRECT.
YOU HAVE TO DO A CLOSURE PLAN ON THAT IF YOU, IF YOU YEAH, I WOULD THINK SO.
SO I DID WANT TO, UM, TAKE ONE STEP BACK.
IT'S, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT THE COOL, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE COOLANT.
AND, UH, IN THE UNLIKELY EVENT OF, OF A SPILL, UM, AND YOU TALKED ABOUT PRIMARY AND SECONDARY CONTAINMENT.
UM, ONE COMMENT WAS IF, UM, THE APPLICANT WOULD PUT TOGETHER AN OFFSITE DISPOSAL PLAN IN THE EVENT, IN THE UNLIKELY EVENT OF A SPILL, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, UH, WAS WITHIN OUR NOTES AND I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE APPLICANT.
THE BOARD ONLY ONLY WORKS IF YOU CONTAIN IT THOUGH.
IF YOU DON'T CONTAIN IT, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T GET RID OF IT.
AARON, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU BECAUSE THERE'S ONE THING I FOUND IN THE 25TH WHEN I WENT THROUGH THE, THE NOVEMBER 25TH ME MEMO.
UH, AND IT, IT HAS TO DO WITH WATER COURSES AND WHETHER IT'S A GOOD OR BAD IDEA TO DIRECT WATER INTO, INTO THESE WATER COURSES.
AND I WANTED YOUR OPINION ON THAT.
'CAUSE I I WASN'T SURE WHETHER WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT, UH, AND THE TOWN AS A GOOD OR A BAD ENVIRONMENTAL THING DIRECTING THE WATER THERE.
SO I ACTUALLY HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT MYSELF, AND I REACHED OUT TO MR. ROMEO ON THAT.
UM, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT ESSENTIALLY, UH, WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS A, AS YOU, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, THERE'S A, A SIGNIFICANT SLOPE UP ABOVE, UM, OFF OF NORWOOD ROAD THAT SLOPES DOWN TO THIS AREA WHERE, WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING, UM, THE BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY.
AND WHAT THEY WOULD BE DOING IS, UM, AT THE BASE OF THE SLOPE BEFORE YOU GET TO WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING IN THE, THE BATTERIES, THEY WOULD BE INSTALLING, UM, A, UH, A BURN AND A SWALE.
OKAY? SO ANY WATER THAT'S ALREADY COMING DOWN THE HILL THAT CURRENTLY FLOWS ACROSS THE PARKING LOT WOULD BE CAUGHT THROUGH THE SWALE AND, AND ROUTED AROUND AND TOWARDS THE WETLANDS AREA.
SO WE DO HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT.
IT DOESN'T CONSTITUTE A DIRECT DISCHARGE, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, PROHIBITED ACTIVITY UNDER CHAPTER TWO 80 OF THE CODE.
SO WE FOUND THAT, UH, TO BE, YOU KNOW, ACCEPTABLE.
UM, SO, UH, I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT
UM, JAMES OR JOHN, CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME WHERE IN NORTH CAROLINA YOUR OTHER, UH, FACILITIES ARE? UH, ONE SECOND.
ONE OF THEM IS IN THE CITY OF WILSON.
THE OTHER ONE IS IN GREENVILLE.
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I'M GONNA BE DOWN THERE IN DECEMBER.I MAY BE ABLE TO DO A SITE VISIT, IF POSSIBLE.
CAN I GET IN TOUCH WITH YOU? YES.
YEAH, THAT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM AT ALL.
WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO SET THAT UP.
TOM, YOU HAD A QUESTION? NO, NO, I WAS JUST SAYING MONICA WAS TRYING.
UM, I DID HAVE ONE OTHER COMMENT.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, INSURANCE, WE TALKED ABOUT DECOMMISSIONING BONDS, UM, IN THE, YOU KNOW, EVENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL, YOU KNOW, SOIL CONTAMINATION, LET'S SAY.
UM, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD THE BOND OR INSURANCE YOU'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, COVER THE COST OF ANY CONTAMINATION? OR ALTERNATIVELY, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD MAY THINK ABOUT, UH, RECOMMENDING THAT THERE BE A SEPARATE AND APPROPRIATE BOND TO COVER ANY POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, CONTAMINATE SOIL CONTAMINATION OR, UM, REALLY ANY ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION, YOU KNOW, REQUIRED IN THE UNLIKELY EVENT OF CONTAMINATION OF EITHER SOIL WETLANDS.
WE KNOW THERE'S A WETLAND IN THE AREA.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP AS WELL.
YEAH, THE CURRENT BOND WILL NOT COVER, UH, UM, UH, IF YOU HAVE A A, A SPLIT OF 5,000 OR, OR A, UH, UH, WOULD NOT COVER THAT, THEN YOU SAY YOU HAVE THE OF A MILLION.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO CONTAMINATING, UH, THE GROUND OR WATERWAY, I MEAN THE PRICE, UH, RECLAMATION COULD SKYROCKET, SKYROCKET VERY EASILY.
AND THIS STUFF LEECHES VERY QUICKLY INTO THE GROUND WA WATER, THE ALENE GLYCOL ACCORDING TO THE M S D S SHEET.
UM, BUT I HAVE ANOTHER, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION RELATED TO THE BOND AND THE INSURANCE.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT MICHAEL GOLDEN BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, WHICH IS CORPORATE STRUCTURE, UM, WHICH I DON'T THINK I SAW ADDRESSED ANYWHERE IN, IN YOUR CORRESPONDENCE, WAS WE WERE CONCERNED THAT THIS IS A, UH, IS A SEPARATE ENTITY FROM THE PARENT COMPANY AND OBVIOUSLY CONCERN OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF, AND I I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE VERY SUCCESSFUL, DON'T GET ME WRONG, BUT IN, IN THE CASE OF AN ECONOMIC DOWNTURN FOR YOU GUYS AND THAT WE CAN'T GET TO THE PARENT COMPANY, THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A QUESTION THAT, THAT I THOUGHT WERE GONNA, YOU WERE GONNA COME BACK TO.
WHAT DID YOU ADDRESS THAT WITH THE PARENT COMPANY, THE POTENTIAL OF, OF TYING THIS BACK OR GETTING ANY KIND OF GUARANTEE FROM THE PARENT COMPANY? SO BOTH THE INSURANCE AND THE BOND WILL BE HELD IN THE NAME OF THE PROJECT COMPANY.
SO IF THE PARENT COMPANY WENT BANKRUPT, ANYTHING IN THAT INSURANCE OR ON THAT BOND WOULD STILL BE GOING TO THE TOWN.
UM, AND I THINK I'M TALKING ABOUT THE OPPOSITE JAMES.
I THINK IT'S LIKELY THAT THE SMALLER COMPANY IS GONNA GO UNDER BEFORE THE PARENT COMPANY.
AND, AND WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT I THINK YOU'RE DOING, AND I UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE I'VE SET THESE UP TOO IN MY LIFETIME, IS YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROTECTING HIS FROM THE PARENT COMPANY.
SO WE, SO THE ANSWER IS NO, WE HAVE NO PROTECTION FROM THE PAR PARENT COMPANY.
YOU, YOU HAVE NO PROTECTION FROM THE PARENT COMPANY.
YOU HAVE PROTECTION FROM THE INSURANCE COMPANY AND THE COMPANY THAT IS ISSUING THE BOND, THOUGH, WHICH ARE
SO YOU, THE SOLUTION IS TO MAKE SURE THAT EAGLE HAS SUFFICIENT INSURANCE AND BOND.
SO WE CANNOT, WE CANNOT PAY, WE CANNOT RELY ON THE PARENTS.
SO THEY HAVE TO BE A STANDALONE ENTITY.
WELL, THE OTHER THING THOUGH, WALTER, IS IT'S SUFFICIENT ASSURANCE AND BONDS, BUT IN THE CASE OF SOMETHING HAPPENING, WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT WHERE WE WOULD BE IN THE PECKING ORDER OF COLLECTING, IT'S NOT, I MEAN, AS AN ADDITIONAL INSURED IN THE INSURANCE, WE MAY BE OKAY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENS IN A BOND.
YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE ARE WE IN THE, WHERE ARE WE IN THE LINE OF, OF COLLECTING IF SOMETHING HAP IF THEY, IF THEY HAPPEN TO GO CHAPTER 11 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO LOOK INTO.
SO THAT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT LOOKS INTO THAT, THAT WE'RE PROTECTED, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE, THAT THEY ARE STAND ALONE L L C, WE NEED TO BE PROTECTED.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT, BUT THE POINT WE SHOULD MAKE, THAT YOU HAVE TO STRUCTURE SOMETHING THAT WILL PROVIDE THAT PROTECTION MM-HMM.
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OKAY, THE BOND WILL BE ISSUED TO THE TOWN AND THAT'S IT.YOU WOULD BE THE ONLY ONE ON THAT BOND.
AND IF ANOTHER ENTITY NEEDED PROTECTION, WE'D HAVE TO ISSUE ANOTHER BOND TO THEM.
IT'S NOT LIKE BEING ACCREDITED.
THE NEXT QUESTION, WELL, DO I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? UM, YES.
IN REGARDS TO, UM, FIRE PROTECTION, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE ELMSFORD FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT IN GREENBURG WE DO A LOT OF MUTUAL AID.
AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU WOULD ARRANGE, UM, FOR TRAINING NOT ONLY FOR THE ELMSFORD, UM, POLICE DEPARTMENT, IF IT COULD BE A MUTUAL, UM, TRAINING FOR, UM, FIRE PROTECTION FOR THIS TYPE OF FACILITY WITH, UM, FAIRVIEW AND HARTSDALE AS WELL, SO THAT THEY KNOW PROPER TECHNIQUES FOR EXTINGUISHING ANYTHING THAT MAY POTENTIALLY HAPPEN AT THIS TYPE OF A FACILITY? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, THAT BRINGS UP A QUESTION OF MINE FROM LOOKING AT THESE QUESTIONS.
UM, WHAT IS THE PROPER WAY TO FIGHT OR FIRE WITH THIS? I SEE WE, AND ALL SORTS OF THINGS I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CHEMICALS.
I THINK TOM, I I, IF I CAN, I'D LIKE TO DIRECT THIS QUESTION TO PAUL, PAUL ROGERS FROM ENERGY STORAGE RESPONSE GROUP, UH, JUST TO HANDLE THAT ONE.
PAUL, YOU ON? UH, I AM ON, UH, AND, UH, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR AND, AND MEMBERS OF THE, OF THE TOWN BOARD.
UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ABOUT MYSELF, UM, THE FIRST TIME I'M SPEAKING, ALTHOUGH I'VE BEEN ON SOME OF THE, UH, CALLS BEFORE, UH, I'M RETIRED FROM THE NEW YORK CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT WHERE I WORKED IN OUR HAZARD INTERIOR UNIT.
I WORKED, WORKED FOR 30 YEARS WITH THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
AND, UM, I WAS, MY LAST FIVE YEARS IN THE NEW YORK CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT, I WAS PULLED OFFLINE IN ORDER TO WORK ON THESE ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS WITHIN NEW YORK CITY FOR SAFE INSTALLATION AND ALSO FOR WRITING PROTOCOL FOR NEW YORK CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE SOPS.
SO, UM, AS FAR AS FIGHTING THE FIRE, UH, WE FOUND, UH, WE, WE LOOKED AT, UH, WATER, WE LOOKED A LOT DIFFERENT SUPPRESSION AGENTS, BUT WATER WOULD BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY FIGHT THESE FIRES IF THEY WERE TO GO ON FIRE.
DO THE MEN NEED ANY PARTICULAR EQUIPMENT GOING INTO THIS TYPE OF FIRE? YOU KNOW, I, WE, I READ ABOUT P P E NECESSARY, YOU KNOW, AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
IS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFIC THAT THEY WILL NEED THAT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY ALREADY HAVE? MEN AND WOMEN? FIONA.
WE, WE LOOKED AT THAT OURSELVES.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, UH, RESPONDERS WERE ACTUALLY GONNA BE PROTECTED PROPERLY.
SO, UH, WE HAVE STRUCTURAL FIREFIGHTING GEAR.
IT'S MORE OF A DEFENSIVE OPERATION.
WHEN I DID SPEAK TO CHIEF MALONE FROM THE ELMS OF FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE SPOKE DIRECTLY ABOUT HOW THEY WOULD TRY TO EMPLOY A DEFENSIVE OPERATION WITHOUT GETTING, UH, INTIMATELY INVOLVED WITH THE ACTUAL FIREFIGHTING.
SO THAT THAT WOULD BE THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION.
BECAUSE AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED, IF THIS THING WERE TO HAVE AN EVENT, IT WAS A FIRE REALLY NOT SAVING ANYTHING.
I HAVE A QUESTION ALSO ALONG WITH THAT.
UH, IF YOU GO TO TEST OWN EMERGENCY RESPONSE GUIDE, THEY INDICATE THAT, UH, YOU'RE NOT REALLY FIGHTING THE FIRE.
THE WATER IS THERE TO POOL THE UNIT AND THE UNIT JUST BURNS OUT BY ITSELF, BY THEMSELVES.
AND, AND IN THE PROCESS IT IS EMITTING TOXIC FME AND IT, IT, THE FIRE COULD LAST LONGEST 24 HOURS TO BURN OUT COMPLETELY.
NOW, THIS IS A LARGE, THAT'S ONE BATTERY.
WALTER, IT COULD BE A LOT MORE THAN THAT'S ONE BATTERY.
SO, YEAH, SO, SO THIS IS TESLA'S OWN, UH, INFORMATION AND THEY, AND THEY'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE JUST USING WATER TO COOL IT AND IT BURNS OUT BY ITSELF EMITTING TOXIC FUME.
AND MY QUESTION THEN, WHY NOT PUT IN A VERY SIMPLE FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM LIKE YOU HAVE IN THE GAS STATION WHERE YOU HAVE A, UH, EVEN, UH, EITHER EITHER CARBON, UH, UH, DOC, UH, DIOXIDE OR A, A, UH, POWDER CHEMICAL OR POWDER CHEMICAL.
SO, AND, AND, UH, IF YOU HAVE A FIRE, THE WHOLE THING JUST SHOOTS OFF IMMEDIATELY
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AND DUSTS THE FIRE.NOW SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS NOT A VERY EXPENSIVE THING.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIRE STATION, YOU HAVE THESE TANKS, YOU HAVE SOME TUBING, UH, SOME PIPING, YOU HAVE A NOZZLE AND YOU HAVE A, UH, A, UH, A THERMAL SWITCH IN THE UNIT THAT SETS THE THING OFF.
SO WHY WOULD YOU NOT PUT THAT IN A UNIT LIKE THAT IN WHEN TESTERS ALL YOU IS SAYING IN THE OWN SAFETY MANUAL, THAT WHEN THE FIRE GOES OFF, THEN UH, THE FIREFIGHTERS SHOULD HAVE PROTECTIVE GEAR RESPIRATORS AND, AND TOES ARE EMITTING.
AND IT COULD BE FOR 24 OR HOW MANY HOURS, BUT MY QUESTION IS WHY NOT PUTTING IN A FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM? YEAH, AND THAT, AND THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
FIR FIRST, LEMME SAY THAT, UH, WHEN, WHEN TESLA WAS FIRST DOING SOME, UM, THEY WERE ACTUALLY BURNING UP THEIR SYSTEMS TO SEE HOW IT WOULD REACT.
UH, I ACTUALLY WAS, UH, THROWN OUT TO, UH, NEVADA TO ACTUALLY WITNESS THIS.
UM, AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, THEY PUT A FULL UNIT, UH, ON FIRE.
UH, I, I HAD NO PROTECTIVE GEAR.
I WAS STANDING THERE WATCHING.
I HAD NO PROTECTIVE GEAR, NO S E B A I WAS NOT AT ADVERSELY EFFECT.
NO ONE IN THE ACTUAL, UM, TESTING TEAM WAS HAD ANY OF THAT EQUIPMENT EITHER.
AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME WE WERE NOT FIGHTING THE FIRE.
UH, AS FAR AS YOUR QUESTION IS ABOUT THE DRY POWDER, UM, WHEN A BATTERY GOES INTO A THERMAL VENT, UM, IT UH, IT IS A REACTION.
THAT REACTION IS USUALLY INSIDE THE ACTUAL, UH, BATTERY ITSELF.
THAT'S INSIDE A, UM, THAT'S INSIDE A, UH, A MODULE THAT'S INSIDE NOW THE CLOSURE ITSELF.
SO IT'S ALMOST REALLY DIFFICULT TO GET ANYTHING ON IT AS FAR AS THE POWDER IS CONCERNED.
WHEN YOU HAVE A THERMAL EVENT AND YOU HAVE A REACTION, YOU NEED SOMETHING TO COOL THAT THE POWDER DOES NOT COOL ANYTHING, IT REALLY JUST SUPPRESSES.
SO IF YOU CAN'T COOL DOWN THE REACTION, YOUR REACTION WILL CONTINUE TO PROPAGATE.
PAUL, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
UM, DEFECTIVE IN THE GAS STATION AND WHY NOT CARBON DIOXIDE, WHICH WOULD, IT'S HEAVY THAN AIR WILL SIT DOWN AND GO THROUGH THE CRACKS OF THE UNIT AND AND PUT UP THE FACTS.
THAT IT'S SEALED THE INTERNET, ISN'T IT? YEAH.
ANOTHER, ANOTHER GOOD QUESTION.
UM, AND WE LOOKED AT THAT TOO WITHIN THE NEW YORK CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WHY NOT? WE USE SOME SORT OF CLEAN AGENT AS YOU'RE REFERRING TO, TO SUPPRESS IT.
UH, THE CLEAN AGENT'S A ONE SHOT DEAL AND ALSO IT, UH, THERE'S A WHOLE TIME THAT GOES ON ON THE INSIDE OF THAT THAT NEEDS TO TAKE OUT THE OXYGEN.
THESE, UH, THESE LITHIUM ION BATTERIES DO CREATE THEIR OWN OXYGEN.
AND THE REACTION, AGAIN, NOT HAVING ANYTHING TO COOL THAT REACTION, THAT REACTION WILL CONTINUE UNTIL ONCE THAT CLEAN AGENT IS REMOVED FROM THE ACTUAL ENCLOSURE, IT WILL START TO BURN AGAIN.
'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY, UH, GRABBING THAT AND STOPPING THE REACTION FROM TAKING PLACE.
I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE, UM, AS MOTOR SAID, THEY'RE THREE OR FOUR FIRE DISTRICTS THAT, THAT MAY BE INVOLVED IN THIS.
THEY'RE ALL FAIRLY SMALL FIRE DISTRICTS, UH, THAT DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES OF A NEW YORK CITY FIRE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS HE CAN, AND IT'S TURN, THERE IS SOME TURNOVER TOO.
UM, ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THIS IS NOT THE TYPE OF THING THAT THESE, THESE FIRE DEPARTMENTS HAVE EVER HAD TO DEAL WITH.
LUCKILY,
DO YOU, IS THERE ANY SERER SERVICE OR EXPERTISE THAT COULD BE, UH, GIVEN TO THEM IN, IN THE TIME OF AN EMERGENCY THAT COULD COME AND BE WITH THEM? AND COULD THAT BE PART OF OUR AGREEMENT WITH, WITH BESS? AND, UH, I, I BELIEVE, UH, MR. ROBINSON'S BETTER TO ANSWER THIS.
I THINK THEY DO HAVE SOME SORT OF EMERGENCY NUMBER THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A PHONE NUMBER.
I DON'T WANNA BE, I DON'T WANT THESE GUYS ON THE CELL CELL PHONE WHILE, WHILE WHILE EIGHT 80 BATTERIES ARE BURNING AND TOXIC FUMES ARE GOING IN THE AIR I'M TALKING ABOUT ON SITE.
SO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS YES, WE WILL COMMIT TO HAVING, HAVING SOMEBODY ON SITE, UM, IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY.
WE'RE THE LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL ARRIVE FIRST BECAUSE THEY'RE AROUND THE CORNER.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE THE FIRST RESPONDERS.
WE CAN'T COMMIT TO THAT, BUT WE CAN COMMIT TO HAVING SOMEBODY MEET THEM ON SITE, UM, IN THE CASE OF AN EMERGENCY.
W W WITH THAT SAID, UM, WOULD YOU KNOW THE APPLICANT BE AGREEABLE
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TO, YOU KNOW, PREPARING AND FILING AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN? YOU KNOW, JUST TO MEMORIALIZE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT? YES, ABSOLUTELY.THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE POINT, ONE OF THE THINGS AS WALTER POINTED OUT IS IF YOU'RE GONNA DO IT WITH WATER, AND I UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S A SEALED SYSTEM, IT'S, AND THE FIRE'S INTERNAL, WHICH WE WANNA DO, IS COOL IT RATHER THAN KILL IT.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT'S ALSO GONNA LET OFF IF EVENTUALLY SOME PRETTY TOXIC FUMES, WHICH IS WHY THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS CHOSEN, WHAT TESLA RECOMMENDS, BY THE WAY, IS A DEFENSIVE POSTURE IN FIGHTING THE FIRE THEN, RATHER THAN TRYING TO PUT IT OUT.
BUT THE DOWNSIDE OF THAT IS, ENVIRONMENTALLY YOU'RE GONNA PUT A LOT OF TOXIC FUMES INTO THE YEAR WHERE YOU'VE GOT HOUSES, UM, RIGHT NOW WITHIN 750 FEET.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD GOLF COURSES TURN WE HAVE ONE RIGHT BEFORE YOU.
THAT IS BECOMING A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ZONED FOR.
UM, I'M CONCERNED THAT YOU, YOU ALSO NEED TO HAVE AN EVACUATION PLAN IN PLACE TOO, AS PART OF THAT EMERGENCY RESPONSE PROGRAM.
SO IN TERMS OF, UM, EVACUATION, SO WE, WE HAVE GOTTEN INFORMATION FROM, FROM TESLA AND, AND, AND ELSEWHERE THAT SHOWS THAT THERE ISN'T ANY TOXIC GASES SPECIFIC TO THE BATTERY, MEANING DIFFERENT FROM A REGULAR FIRE THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING WITHIN, UH, MORE THAN LIKE 20 FEET DOWNWIND OF THE SYSTEM.
UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, THAT, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE EXPLOSIVE GASES.
THERE WILL BE NO EXPLOSIVE GASES WITHIN 20 FEET DOWNWIND OF THE SYSTEM.
UM, AND PAUL, THERE'S ALSO BEEN A BUNCH OF RESEARCH DONE AROUND THE COMPOSITION OF THE GASES THAT COME OFF THESE SYSTEMS. CAN CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT? YEAH.
SO, SO MOST OF THE GASES THAT DO COME OFF ARE USUALLY BURNT, RIGHT? UH, IF THEY DO GO ON FIRE, THEY'RE BURNT AWAY.
MOST OF THEM ARE HYDROCARBON, ARE ACTUALLY, UH, BURNT OFF.
SO, UM, WILL THERE BE SOME TOXIC GASES? ABSOLUTELY.
UH, IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE TO SAY THERE WOULD BE NO TOXIC GASES, BUT JUST LIKE ANY OTHER STRUCTURAL FIRE, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET THAT ARE WATCHING YOU PUT A FIRE, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME EXPOSURE.
IT WON'T BE IN AN IDEAL H I DON'T BELIEVE IT'LL BE IN AN IDEAL H LOOKING AT WHERE IT IS, WHERE IT'S GONNA BE LOCATED.
I, I, I BELIEVE THAT ANY GASES THAT, OR ANY COMBUSTIONS OR PRODUCT OF COMBUSTIONS THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE EMITTED FROM IT, UH, SHOULD BE DISSIPATED, UM, IN THE AIR, UH, IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA.
BUT JUST LIKE ANY FIRE, YOU CAN SMELL FIRES A DISTANCE AWAY, BUT YOU'RE NOT IN ANY TYPE OF, UH, UH, I D L H, WHICH IMMEDIATELY DANGEROUS TO LIFE AND HEALTH.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS USED BY, UH, THE NIOSH AND IN THE FIRE SERVICE IN ORDER TO, UH, LOOK AT TOXICITY LEVELS.
THAT IS CONCERNING FOR ANYONE WITHOUT ANY TWO.
WELL, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND NOW BECAUSE WE THE, RIGHT NOW, THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL, IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF A GOLF COURSE RIGHT NOW.
SOMETHING HAPPENS TO MOW A COUNTRY CLUB NEXT YEAR.
WE'VE HAD, SAY HALF PRECEDENT FOR THAT.
TWO COUNTRY CLUBS HAVE SOLD OFF PROPERTY IN THE LAST YEAR IN, IN OUR TOWN.
IT BECOMES A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
WHAT HAPPENS THEN AND WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE SEVEN 50 FEET ANYMORE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ZONED FOR.
REMEMBER, IT'S ZONE RESIDENTIAL.
THERE'S NO GUARANTEE IT'S GONNA STAY A GOLF CLUB.
IF I COULD JUST INTERJECT, IT'S ZONE RESIDENTIAL, BUT THIS TYPE OF STRUCTURE, AGAIN, IT'S ALLOWED BY SPECIAL PERMITS.
I I UNDERSTAND IT, I UNDERSTAND YOU, BUT I CAN'T, I'M NOT GONNA ARGUE THAT POINT BECAUSE AGAIN, IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A CALL THAT WAS MADE BY BILLING DEPARTMENT AND, AND I GOTTA MAKE THAT THE, THAT OBVIOUSLY THAT ARGUMENT HAS TO BE MADE AT THE TOWN BOARD.
WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU, YOU IS THAT IN A PROJECT IN THE FUTURE SAID SOMETHING, GOD FORBID HAPPENED TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA, YOUR BOARD IS GONNA LOOK AT THAT PROJECT ON ITS MERITS AND LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OKAY, WELL THERE'S A BATTERY, HOPEFULLY A BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM THERE.
AT, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SAY WHAT BUFFER, IF ANY, IS NEEDED AT THAT POINT, UH, AT, AT, AT THAT ANALYSIS.
SO YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES JUST LIKE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PROCEEDING APPLICATION.
AND YOU CAN TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE ENVIRONMENT AND, AND, AND MAKE A, A CALL WITH RESPECT TO WHAT BUFFERS ARE REQUIRED, IF ANY.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THE PRESENT SITUATION AS IS, WE, WE ARE FAR AWAY.
IT IS SEVEN 50 FEET, IN FACT, LIKE YOU SAID, FROM FROM THE NEAREST RESIDENCE.
SO GIVEN, GIVEN TODAY, AND I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT AS MANY FACTORS IN WHAT IFS THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THINK FOR TODAY'S PURPOSE, FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE RECOMMENDATION, YES, WE UNDERSTAND THAT NO ONE COULD GO AWAY.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT IF AND WHEN.
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THAT HAPPENS, IF IT DOES.SO I JUST WANNA JUMP IN FOR ONE MOMENT.
CHAIRPERSON, SIMON, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE BOARD THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOW 7:42 PM UH, WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS PROJECT FOR OVER AN HOUR.
UH, I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GOOD BACK AND FORTH.
WE DO HAVE ONE OTHER ITEM, ALBEIT A SMALL ONE ON THE AGENDA.
I'M GONNA GET TO IT FOR A QUICK DISCUSSION.
AND IN MY PRE-MEETING WITH THE CHAIR, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, REMIND THE ENTIRE BOARD THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO WRAP THIS UP BY ABOUT 10 OF, WE'RE NOT GONNA, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GET TO THE OTHER ONE, BUT THIS IS MORE TONIGHT.
SO IF I COULD, I'D JUST LIKE TO QUICKLY CLOSE OUT OR AT LEAST, UH, CLOSE LOOP ON, ON THE RESIDENTIAL ISSUE.
SO ONE THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OF NEW YORK WENT THROUGH MULTI-YEAR PROCESS DETERMINING WHAT WAS AND WAS NOT SAFE FOR ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. PAUL WAS A PART OF THAT.
I, I WAS, UM, WORKING FOR A COMPANY DEVELOPING PROJECTS IN NEW YORK.
THE DETERMINATION AT THE END OF THAT MULTI-YEAR PROCESS WAS THAT BATTERIES COULD BE CITED, BUT THEY NEEDED TO HAVE AT LEAST A 10 FOOT SETBACK FROM OCCUPIED BUILDINGS.
AND THAT'S IN THE CURRENT CODE IN THE CITY OF NEW YORK.
IT'S NOT 80 BATTERY, IT ISN'T 80 BATTERY, UM, A ACRE OF BATTERY.
I MEAN, WE'RE WORKING ON ONE RIGHT NOW THAT IS 12, UH, 15 MEGAWATTS.
SO NOT 20, BUT NOT, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TINY ONES LIKE YOU SAW OR LIKE AT THE, UM, AT THE SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S ONE THING THERE.
THERE'S ALSO, UH, I KNOW THAT THERE'S THIS SPECT OF HAVING THE ENTIRE SYSTEM, THE ENTIRE INSTALLATION ON FIRE AND JUST THIS RAGING INFERNO COMING OUT OF EVERY SINGLE MEGAPACK.
AND I, I DID WANNA POINT OUT THAT TESLA'S LIT THEIR BATTERIES ON FIRE, SPECIFICALLY TO TEST HOW THE FIRE SPREADS.
AND THE CONCLUSION WAS THAT THIS FIRE COULD NOT SPREAD FROM MEGAPACK TO MEGAPACK.
SO, SO, UM, UM, I WOULD SAY A REASONABLE WORST CASE WOULD BE ONE MEGAPACK THAT IS, THAT IS ON FIRE, NOT NOT ALL OF THEM.
UM, THAT'S REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL.
AND, AND THIS WAS ALL, THIS WAS ALL, UM, THROUGH WHAT'S THE CERTIFICATION PROCESS CALLED? THE 95 40 A? IT'S THE TOP OF THE LINE CERTIFICATION.
IT'S, IT'S CAME OUT, AND PAUL CAN SPEAK TO THIS IN DEPTH.
IT CAME OUT, UH, ROUGHLY A YEAR OR TWO AGO.
IT'S VERY NEW AND IT, IT INVOLVES LIGHTING THE SYSTEM ON FIRE AND, AND MEASURING WHAT HAPPENS.
AND, AND TESLA WAS ABLE TO SHOW THAT THERE WAS NO SPREAD.
IS THAT, UM, THE, THE PROJECT DEMONSTRATING COMPLIANCE TO THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION, UL 95 40 STANDARD FOR ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS? NO, NO.
IT'S A, IT'S A DIFFERENT STANDARD.
UH, MR MR IT, THERE IS A UL 95 40, WHICH IS A SYSTEM LISTING, AND THEN THERE IS A UL 95 48, WHICH IS THE, THE STRUC TESTING WHAT MR. ROBINSON IS GOING OVER.
YOU KNOW, ONE CONCERN I HAVE IS THAT IF YOU HAD THIS TYPE OF DATA THAT SHOW THAT IT, IT CANNOT MOVE FROM ONE PACK TO THE NEXT PACK, WHY IS IT ONLY SURFACING NOW AT THE LAST MINUTE IF YOU HAD THAT INFORMATION? THAT'S AN ERROR IN OUR PART, SO I APOLOGIZE.
THIS WOULD, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD HAVE FACILITATED, YOU KNOW, WOULD'VE ANSWERED A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT WE WOULDN'T BE HERE AT THE 11TH HOUR TRYING TO COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION IF THAT TYPE OF DATA WAS PRESENTED EARLY ON.
SO ONE THING, IF I MAY JUST INTERJECT, I'D LIKE TO SHARE THE ORIGINAL TESLA SAFETY SLIDE, UM, JUST FOR EVERYBODY AGAIN.
UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW WE WENT OVER THIS, UH, SEVERAL WEEKS BACK.
UM, WE HAD DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN WITH, YOU KNOW, SPREADING FIRE.
WE HAD DISCUSSED THIS SPECIFIC ENCLOSURE, UM, AND THIS SPECIFIC SAFETY SHEET WAS, WHICH WAS PROVIDED TO EVERYBODY.
THE DEEP INTEGRATION VENTS, WHICH ARE LOCATED AT THE TOP, UM, ARE DESIGNED IN A, IN A, IN A WAY TO DIRECT THE, ANY FIRE IN A, IN CASE OF A THERMAL EVENT UPWARDS AND AWAY FROM, FROM OTHER SITES.
SO WHILE THE TESTING DATA MAY NOT HAVE BEEN SHOWN, I, I REMEMBER DISCUSSING, UH, THIS, THE INHERENT SAFETY FEATURES THAT WENT INTO THIS SYSTEM, ALONG WITH THAT IP 66 ENCLOSURE, WHICH PREVENTS ANY INTRUSION AND COMPLETELY PREVENTS ANY, UH, PEOPLE FROM ENTERING THESE SYSTEMS. UM, SO THE ADDITIONAL ITEM WITH REGARDS TO SAFETY IS THAT NOBODY CAN GET TRAPPED INSIDE THE SITE OR
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INSIDE THESE, THESE BATTERY ITEMS. THANK YOU.ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTION BY THE BOARD MEMBERS IN REGARD TO THIS APPLICATION? OKAY.
WE HAVE, UM, UH, UH, THE ITEMS THAT, UH, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED IS ONE OF THE LIABILITY AND INSURANCE, UH, TO COVER, UH, TO COVER THE TOWN IN CASE OF A SPILL OR FIRE.
UH, UH, THE OTHER ISSUE WAS THE, UH, THE NEED OF A SECONDARY, UH, UH, UH, TAX BASIN FOR THE ING.
SO IT DOES NOT GO INTO THE SOIL.
THERE IS, UH, APPARENT, UH, WE FEEL THAT OUR QUESTIONS ON NOISE HAVE BEEN SATISFACTORY, UH, ANSWERED EVEN THOUGH, UH, UH, ONE MEMBER MIGHT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE A UNIT IN, IN GREENVILLE, NORTH CAROLINA.
UH, UM, WERE THERE ANY OTHER POINTS THAT WE THINK SHOULD UH, YEAH, THE, THE ISSUE, THE ISSUE GO AHEAD.
OH YEAH, THE RESPONSE PERSON AND I, AND, AND ANOTHER THE RESPONSE PERSON AND, AND ACTUAL TRAINING BECAUSE WELL, AS, UH, ALTHOUGH NEW YORK CITY HAS A FIRST RATE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT A LOT OF EXPERTISE, SOME OF THE OUTSIDE DEPARTMENTS, UH, UH, VOLUNTEERS WHO DON'T HAVE THAT LEVEL OF EXPERTISE.
SO WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF, ON AN ONGOING BASIS, SOME SORT OF, UH, UH, TRAINING TO BRING, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT ONCE A YEAR OR WHATEVER THE CASE WOULD MAKE SENSE TO BRING IN THE LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND REFRESH THEM OF WHAT THE PRESTIGES ARE.
AND WE HAVE THAT, WE HAVE THAT WRITTEN DOWN AND, UH, WE WOULD ADD THAT INTO THE, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR SURE.
AND ALSO ALSO THE, THE, THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN TO, UH, YES, I HAVE THAT IN MY NOTES AS WELL.
WALTER, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION? I THINK IT'S THE NEXT QUESTION.
SO, UH, I THINK WHAT WE, WE SHOULD, OUR RECOMMENDATION SHOULD BE IN TERMS OF THE, OF, UH, THE CODE ITSELF.
WE AGREED UPON THAT THESE, THESE ARE, UH, OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE CODE.
UH, AND, AND, AND, AND THE OTHER ISSUE IS, IF WE LOOK THIS AT THIS APPLICATION AS A STAND ALONE APPLICATION, PUT THE CODE ASIDE THAT WE HAVE THE, THE CONCERNS WHICH WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
IF THE TOWN BOARD GOES, UH, LOOKOUT OUR, OUR RECOMMENDATION, AND THEY MAY SAY, YOU KNOW, WE STILL WANT TO GO FORWARD, THEN WE ARE SAYING THAT, THEN THESE OTHER POINTS SHOULD BE INCORPORATED IN THAT.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, SO THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE, WHAT IS THAT? DID WE SAY WE WERE ON THE, UH, UH, OVERALL NEUTRAL, NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION? TAKE A STRAW POLL.
I DUNNO IF MICHAEL GOLDEN STONE IS I'M SEE IN THE VIDEO.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD PROPOSE WE JUST SAY A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE CONCERNS ABOUT THE CODE AND THEREFORE WE CANNOT SAY, WE CANNOT GIVE THAT A RECOMMENDATION FOR THESE CONCERNS OF THE CODE.
UH, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, SUBSTANTIAL.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ONLY REASON YOU, I'M NOT SURE I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION, WALTER, BUT THE REASON OKAY, MY, I'M JUST, I'M, I'M PUTTING THAT OUT.
WE COULD NO, NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I DON'T THINK THE ONLY REASON FOR NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION OR WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION WE HAVE IS BASED ON THE CODE.
I THINK IT'S BASED ON ALL THE ISSUES WE JUST DISCUSSED, ALL THE UNKNOWNS AT THIS POINT AND LOOSE END THAT ARE THERE, UM, THAT NEED TO BE BUTTONED UP.
AND WHETHER THAT'S A NEUTRAL OR A NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION, I THINK WE NEED TO PULL THE BOARD AND SEE.
BUT YEAH, IT, IT'S BASED ON THE SITE ISSUES.
I MEAN, YES, WE HAVE THE LAW ISSUE THAT'LL GET RESOLVED ONE WAY
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OR THE OTHER.UH, THE BOARD, THE TOWN BOARD WILL EITHER DECIDE, GO TO THE CPA A CALL, CALL IN THE BUILDING INSPECTOR TO ASK HIM TO EXPLAIN HIS POSITION RELATIVE TO THE CONCERNS AND THAT'LL GET RESOLVED.
WHY, WHY DON'T YOU JUST TAKE A STROKE? YEAH, IT'S CLOSE, CLOSE TO EIGHT O'CLOCK.
SO WHY DON'T YOU TAKE A STROKE POLL, BUT LET'S MAKE SURE WE, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE TROUP WE'RE TAKING.
WE SAYING REGARDLESS, WE ARE GOING TO PUT IN OUR STATEMENT ABOUT THE CODE.
SO NOW WE ARE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ON THE APPLICATION ITSELF, CORRECT? CORRECT.
TAKE A STRAW HOW EVERYONE FEEL ON THE APPLICATION, WHETHER OR NOT IT SHOULD BE, UH, POSITIVE, NEGATIVE, OR NEUTRAL.
I'LL START WITH POSITIVE BECAUSE I THINK THE AMOUNT OF THE WORK AND OKAY, AND, AND THE INFORMATION THEY'RE GIVING, UH, IS, IS A PHO FOR THE STANDALONE APPLICATION.
IT'S A, UH, GOOD STEP AND GOOD FACILITY TO BRING INTO TOWN OF GREENBURG.
I WOULD ALSO VOTE ON STRAW VOTE POSITIVE WITH THE CONSIDERATIONS INCLUDED THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED.
I BELIEVE THAT THE ANSWERS I HEARD TONIGHT, UM, A LOT OF THESE AREAS ARE SUFFICIENTLY COVERED AND ANTICIPATED.
WHO ELSE? JOHAN? YEAH, I'LL GO WITH NEUTRAL ONLY BECAUSE SOME OF THE, UH, QUESTIONS THAT HAVE TO BE ANSWERED NEED TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE OVERALL DECISION.
IT COULD BE, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD AND, UH, TRYING TO FACILITATE, UM, THE, THE, THE FUTURE IN A SENSE, UM, WITH THIS TYPE OF CONSIDERATION.
BUT THERE'S SO MANY QUESTIONS IN, IN MY MIND THAT ARE UNANSWERED WITH REGARDS TO THE POTENTIAL IMPACT IN THE FUTURE THAT, UM, I'D HESITATE A LITTLE BIT TO OFFER A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
I LIKE THE IDEA, BUT I NEED THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED FIRST.
NONA, I'M POSITIVE WITH THE CAVEATS THAT WE ARE ADDING TO IT.
UM, ONCE THE, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE ADDED IN, I'M POSITIVE ON IT AND I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.
THE WORLD IS MOVING FORWARD AND WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
MICHAEL? UM, I'M GONNA GIVE IT A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS LISTENING TO THE TOWN BOARD AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AS OF THE SPRING, THE GOLF COURSE WAS UP FOR SALE AND I WOULDN'T LIKE THE GOLF COURSE TO BE SOLD.
I THINK, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER AS AN ALTERNATIVE.
UM, AS I SAID ABOUT THE NOISE, UM, I'M NOT THAT CONCERNED ABOUT IT, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE.
I KNOW I'M A LITTLE DARK HERE, BUT I MOVED.
UM, BUT I WOULD GIVE IT A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK HIS TESLA BATTERIES RAN OUT MYSELF.
UM, I WOULD GIVE IT, I WOULD GIVE IT A NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I JUST THINK IT'S, IT'S PREMATURE, UM, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
I THINK WE'RE RUSHING INTO SOMETHING WITH VERY LITTLE KNOWLEDGE.
UM, I DO THINK, UM, THAT IF IT IS GOING TO BE APPROVED AND YOU ENVISION A SPECIAL PERMIT, YOU WOULD HAVE A SPECIAL PERMIT WITH A, WITH A BUFFER ALREADY BUILT INTO IT, UH, RATHER THAN, THAN WAITING.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T BUILD A BUFFER IN TO AN AS OF RIGHT SUBDIVISION.
THAT'S NOT WHERE THE BUFFER GETS BUILT IN.
THEY'RE NOT THE DEFENDING PARTY.
SO, UM, IF THEY'RE GONNA DO THIS, I THINK THEY NEED TO RECONSIDER SPECIAL PERMIT FIRST AND PUT IN THE PARAMETERS AND THE PROTECTIONS THAT ARE NEEDED.
I JUST DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH OF ENOUGH CONCRETE INFORMATION.
THESE HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND THAT LONG, UM, IN THIS FORM AND THIS SIZE.
I DON'T, FRANKLY, I THINK THE BENEFIT OF THIS PARTICULAR ONE TO THE TOWN IS MARGINAL AT THIS POINT, EVEN THOUGH I DO BELIEVE IN THE FUTURE.
AND I, I JUST THINK RIGHT NOW IT SHOULD BE NEGATIVE.
I, I I, I WOULD TAKE A POSITION OF RECOMMEND A NEUTRAL, UH, BECAUSE I SEE THERE ARE STRONG ARGUMENTS, BOLT OF WHICH YOU
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JUST ARTICULATED YOU, UH, AND, UH, UH, AND I THINK THAT WE CAN'T DISMISS THOSE ARGUMENTS, BUT I ALSO FEEL THAT IT IS, UH, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS APPLICATION MOVE FORWARD.SO ALTHOUGH I AM NOT PREPARED TO STAY POSITIVE, BECAUSE, UH, I THINK IT'D BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO TAKE A NEUTRAL POSITION, THEN WE OUTLINE ALL OF OUR CONCERNS TO, UM, THE TOWN BOARD, WHICH WE ALREADY VOTED ON THOSE CONCERNS, AND THEN, AND LOOKING IT AS A STANDALONE APPLICATION.
WE IDENTIFIED ALL THE CONDITIONS WE FEEL THAT SHOULD BE IN THE APPLICATION, UH, TO MAKE IT A VIABLE PRODUCT, UH, PROJECT.
SO CONSIDERING THAT I WOULD COME DOWN ON NEUTRAL.
SO NOW, OKAY, HAVING SAID THAT WE NEED TO TAKE A FORMAL VOTE.
UH, CAN I PROPOSE SOMETHING? WALTER, LET ME PROPOSE SOMETHING AS A COMPROMISE.
I I JUST WANNA RECAP THE STRAW POLL JUST SO THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
SO I, WE'RE POSITIVE, WE'RE POSITIVE.
I'LL, I'LL MAKE MY, I I'LL SWITCH MY STRAW.
WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT WE FORWARD A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION SAYING THAT IT ISN'T THAT WE'RE AGAINST THIS AT ALL.
IT'S THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS AND, AND WE BELIEVE YOU COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE PROVISIONS.
OKAY? AND I THINK GARRETT AND AARON DID A VERY GOOD JOB OF LAYING OUT WHAT SOME OF THEM ARE.
AND WE SUGGEST THAT YOU DO IT WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY PASSING A NEW SPECIAL PERMIT PROVISION TO ALLOW FOR THIS KIND OF, OF FACILITY, INCLUDING CONSIDERING BUFFERS.
'CAUSE THE ONE QUESTION I DIDN'T ASK IS, WELL, 750 FEET IS ALL RIGHT, WELL, HOW MANY FEET ISN'T ALL RIGHT? OKAY.
SO IF WE COULD DO IT THAT WAY, MAKE IT NEUTRAL SO WE DON'T PUT A STIGMA ON THESE GUYS, I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH THE RINGER WITH US AND WITH THE CIC, AND DO IT THAT WAY AND SAY, LOOK, THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO CONSIDER.
YOU NEED TO CONSIDER REWRITING THE SPECIAL PERMIT TO, TO, TO ANTICIPATE THIS KIND OF FACILITY NOW AND WHAT KIND OF BUFFER YOU'D NEED.
AND THEN CONSIDER ALL THE OTHER FACTORS UNDER THAT CASE.
I'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION.
UH, YOU, YOU, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH NEUTRAL.
NOW WE'RE FOUR THREE THE OTHER WAY,
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION AND THEN YOU, UH, UH, UH, AND HOWEVER YOU WANT IT, IF YOU WANT TO ADOPT, UH, ADOPT HOW YOU SAID IT, AND THEN TAKE A VOTE AND SEE HOW THAT GOES.
WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT HOWEVER THIS GOES, THERE ARE GOING TO BE A WHOLE BUNCH OF, UH, CONDITIONS AND DISCUSSIONS, INCLUDING THE FIRST PART OF THE MEETING WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CODE.
ALL THAT WOULD BE IN THERE, ALL THAT WOULD BE, UH, WRITTEN UP AND WE'LL SHOW IT TO YOU, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL GET THAT VOTE.
WELL, I, I WOULD LIKE MY, WELL, WELL, SEEING HOW YOU, UH, MADE THE FIRST MOVE AND HE CAME UP WITH, UH, UH, THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO MAKE THE MOTION.
YEAH, I, I MOVE THAT WE GIVE THIS A NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION.
IT'S, IT'S A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION AND THAT THE BOARD CONSIDER, UH, CONSIDER REDOING THE SPECIAL PERMANENCE PART OF THIS AS WELL AS, UH, ADDRESSING ALL OF THE FACTORS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED DURING OUR WORK SESSION AND IN MR. DUANE'S MEMO TO US WHENEVER THAT WAS WRITTEN YESTERDAY OR WHENEVER WE GOT THAT MEMO.
YEAH, NO, NO, I, I SECOND THAT MOTION AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DRAFT OF THE RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT WE DISCUSSED IN THERE, WE'LL CERTAINLY GET THAT OFF TO THE BOARD.
NEED A VOTE BEFORE THE END OF YOU NEED TO VOTE.
SORRY, BEFORE THE END OF THE DAY.
I, I THINK I CONSIDERING MOTION
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AND SECOND, CAN I POLL THE, THE BOARD? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.OKAY, SO TWO POSITIVES AND FIVE
WHO OPPOSED? FIVE AND FIVE NEUTRAL.
WE, WE STARTED OUT WITH FOUR POSITIVES.
WHAT HAPPENS
AND THEN WE'LL GET THE WRITEUP.
AND ONE, UH, SO WE AT, UH, THAT WRITEUP AND, UH, WHEN DO YOU THINK YOU'LL GET IT TO US? UH, BY THE END OF THE DAY TOMORROW.
AND I THINK WE'RE GIVING, WE'RE GIVING THE BOARD MEMBERS, UM, UNTIL SOMETIME, YOU KNOW, MID OR LATE DAY MONDAY BE SUFFICIENT TO REVIEW SURE.
SO THAT WE CAN TRANSMIT IT TO THE TOWN BOARD ON TUESDAY.
OKAY, WELL WE, TWO MINUTES PAST OUR MEETING.
UM, SO THERE WAS ONE ITEM THAT WAS, UH, ON THE AGENDA.
I KNOW IT'S NOT THAT, UH, IT'S NOT LIKELY TO BE DISCUSSED, BUT I THINK HAVING SPOKEN WITH THE, THE CHAIR THERE WAS THE IDEA OF, UH, OF APPOINTING ONE OF THE MEMBERS OR, UH, AND MAYBE THAT'S, UH, IF THE CHAIR JUST WANTS TO BRIEFLY DISCUSS THAT, THEN THAT MAY MOVE THINGS ALONG A BIT.
DAVID, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, OH.
CAN WE LOG OFF IN TERMS OF THE EAGLES FOLKS? YES.
HAVE A SAFE AND HAPPY HOLIDAY.
THREE MINUTE, A THREE MINUTE DISCUSSION.
I SENT THAT, UH, UH, UH, WHEN WE PASSED, UH, THE, UH, APPROVED THE, UM, THE LAST ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY.
THE ISSUE CAME UP THAT WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT SENIOR HOUSING IN GENERAL.
AND HERE AGAIN, ANOTHER PROPOSAL WAS BEFORE US ABOUT SENIOR HOUSING.
AND, AND WHAT I RECOMMEND IS THAT WE ASK THE TOWN BOARD TO CONSIDER SETTING UP A COMMITTEE TO JUST THE LOOKING A SHORT TERM, WHICH A VERY SHORT GO THREE, FOUR MONTHS TO JUST TO COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS TO TOWN BOARD ON THE SENIOR HOUSING.
UH, ONE OF THE, UH, UH, THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IS EVEN ASSISTED LIVING.
UH, UH, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE A SYSTEM LIVING IN COMMERCIAL AREAS.
BUT, UM, AND SO JUST TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE ISSUE AND, UH, AND WHAT I WANNA MAKE THAT PROPOSAL, IF THE TOWN BOARD APPROVES THAT PROPOSAL, THEN I WOULD, UH, UH, LIKE TO APPOINT UH, MONA TO THAT BECAUSE SHE HAS, SHE HAD, SHE HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST IN DOING THAT.
SO THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE, UH, I'M ASKING THAT WE SEND THAT PROPOSAL TO THE TOWN BOARD AND THEN IF THE TOWN BOARD AGREES THAT THEY WANT TO SET UP THAT COMMITTEE, WE APPOINT MONA TO THAT.
AND THAT IS BASICALLY, UNLESS SOMEONE HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, I WOULD JUST, UH, I'D JUST LIKE TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT AND, AND PUT IT TO BACK.
AND I JUST HAVE IT UP AND I'M SLOWLY SCROLLING THROUGH IT IN THE EVENT.
ANYONE WANTED TO TAKE A A LAST LOOK AT YEAH.
AND IF ANYTHING ELSE WOULD RATHER DO IT.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO SEND THIS, UH, UH, PROPOSAL TO TOWN BOARD? SO MOVED, APPROVED.
WE'LL JUST SEND IT OFF THE TOWN BOARD AND, AND WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
HAPPY, HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYONE.
I KNOW YOU LIKE TO WRITE ME ABOUT GOING OVER AND MICHAEL ALSO, SO I ONLY WANT FIVE MINUTES.
IT WAS A MOTION BY, UH, MICHAEL, SECONDED BY TOM.
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YES.