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WE HAVE THE MINUTES TO APPROVE[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL Agenda THURSDAY, November 12, 2020 – 6:30 P.M. ]
FROM OCTOBER 22ND, AND THERE WERE TWO COMMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, ONE BY MIKE TO MAKE A CHANGE AS TO THE FACT THAT WE SUPPORTED THE, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE, UH, TOWN JANUARY 14TH PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO MOVE THE TREE LAW TO BECOME OPERATIVE ON JANUARY 4TH.AND I HAD A COMMENT THAT THE, ON THE STYROFOAM THAT, UM, IT DIDN'T COME FROM WESTCHESTER COUNTY, BUT IT, IT, THEY WERE ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO RECEIVED IT, THE BOARD OF LEGISLATURES.
UM, AND I THINK YOU ALL, I SENT YOU THE, THE LETTER BACK FROM THE BOARD, WHICH WAS EXACTLY WHAT WE SAID.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T CONTROL STYROFOAM LOCALLY AND SHIPPING PACKAGES.
SO IF THERE ARE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER CHANGES TO BE MADE TO THE MINUTES? IF NOT, CAN WE HAVE A VOTE TO BE IN FAVOR OF THEM AS AMENDED? SO MOVED SECOND.
I KNOW SOMETIMES YOU'RE NOT GETTING ALL THE DOCUMENTATION WE'RE GOING THROUGH, SO I, I, I APOLOGIZE.
I DON'T KNOW IF ERIN, I GUESS IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE TO SEND SOME OF THIS STUFF TO HER.
I KNOW, BUT I GET MOST OF, I DIDN'T, I JUST DON'T, I HAVEN'T GONE THE ZOOM LINKS FOR THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS.
OH, HAVE YOU GOTTEN THE APP, THE, UH, CASES THOUGH? HAVE, HAS SHE BEEN? YEAH, I, I THINK THREE OF THEM.
I'VE BEEN LOOKING THROUGH THEM WHEN I HAVE LIKE FREE TIME AND ALL THAT.
BECAUSE A REALLY GOOD LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR YOU.
STEPHANIE, WHAT WE'LL DO IS, UM, I'LL MAKE SURE WE GET YOU BACK ON THE DISTRIBUTION LIST.
AND, UM, SO YOU'LL GET NOT ONLY THE LINKS, BUT ALL THE, UM, MATERIALS THAT WE SEND ALONG ELECTRONICALLY.
SHARON'S NOT GONNA MAKE IT TONIGHT.
SHE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT IT EARLIER IN THE WEEK.
SHE EMAILED ME WITH A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT WE WERE DOING.
SO DOES ANYONE KNOW IF HER PHONE NUMBER HAPPENS TO BE (914) 879-6056? 'CAUSE THERE'S SOMEONE, I HAVE IT.
OH, MAYBE SHE CAN GET THE VIDEO.
WHERE, WHERE'D YOU GO? WHERE'D YOU GO? YOU WENT HERE THIS TIME? UM, I, I WAS GONE FOR TWO.
WE RENTED A HOUSE UP IN WOODSTOCK FOR THE FOLIAGE SEASON AND STAYED THERE FOR A MONTH.
I HAVE, UH, 4 5 0 9 4 5 9 FOR SHARON.
IT MUST BE SOMEONE ON BEHALF OF ONE OF THE APPLICANTS MAYBE.
AND WHEN, WHEN, WHEN YOU ALL ARE READY TO MOVE TOWARDS THOSE APPLICATIONS, WHAT I'M GOING TO DO, JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE 10 PEOPLE, AND I'M NOT CERTAIN OF EVERYONE THAT REPRESENTS EACH OF THE TWO PROJECTS, I'M JUST GONNA INVITE EVERYONE IN.
YOU CAN ASK THEM TO MUTE THEIR MICS.
BEFORE WE DO THAT, WE'RE GONNA DO ONE OR TWO, UH, UH, ONE OR TWO THINGS.
ONE IS, UM, ON THE EXCESS FOOD ACT, I THINK AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, NEW YORK STATE ASSEMBLY AND THE NEW YORK STATE SENATE HAVE, HAVE ADOPTED IT.
IT'S, UH, SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE GOVERNOR.
UH, UH, IT IS EXPECTED TO GET, WE HEARD FROM THE TOWN'S LOBBYISTS.
IT WAS EXPECTED TO GO TO THE GOVERNOR SHORTLY AFTER, UM, THE ELECTION.
UM, UH, KEN JONES, I DON'T KNOW IF KEN'S ON, HEY SHARON.
UM, ASKED, UH, THAT THE C A C PREPARE A LETTER FOR THE TOWN BOARD TO SEND TO THE GOVERNOR? UH, I THINK I, I THINK I SENT IT AROUND.
I GOT NO COMMENTS, SO I, I JUST WANNA BE SURE EVERYONE SAW IT.
AND, UM, OH, I THINK THAT'S IT.
ACTUALLY I HAVE SOME, SOMETHING ELSE THAT I THOUGHT OF SINCE WE HAVE IN DECEMBER THE RATHER LARGE ELMWOOD APPLICATION.
UM, I WOULD ASK EVERYONE TO TRY AND, AND LOOK THROUGH THE MATERIALS.
AND I KNOW I HAD ASKED DONNA TO BE KIND OF OUR POINT PERSON ON THIS TO SEE IF WE CAN GO THROUGH IT, UM, AND BE SURE THE E I S HAS COVERED EVERYTHING.
SO THAT, JUST REMEMBER THAT WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT MEETING IN DECEMBER.
DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THEY, THEY WILL BE NOT ATTENDING IN DECEMBER? 'CAUSE WE DEFINITELY WON'T HAVE A QUORUM.
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WHAT'S THAT DATE AGAIN? THE 12TH? I FORGET.I'M SUPPOSED TO HAVE A VIRTUAL HOLIDAY PARTY, BUT I I I CAN SKIP THAT.
HOW DO YOU DO A VIRTUAL HOLIDAY PARTY? IT'S RIDICULOUS.
SO WE'RE GONNA, THAT MEANS WE'LL PUT OFF, UM, THE CQA REVIEW TILL JANUARY.
IT'S GONNA TAKE ALL, UH, STEPHANIE, I SENT YOU THAT STUFF ON SQL, RIGHT? THE UM, THE WHAT SEEKER BIG WRITEUP EXPLAINING HOW THE SECRET LAW WORKS.
I, YOU KNOW, MIKE, THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL FOR ME 'CAUSE I REALLY NEVER UNDERSTOOD IT.
I STILL DON'T HAVE, I SAY I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND.
I HAVE SUCH A HARD TIME WITH IT.
I'D LOVE TO HAVE, IT WAS VERY HELPFUL.
AND STEPHANIE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT, I CAN, I CAN SEND IT TO YOU.
MARGARET, CAN YOU SEND IT TO ME TOO, PLEASE? SURE.
I KNOW I'M SUPPOSED TO SEND IT TO YOU, BUT I MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN STEPHANIE.
YEAH, I DON'T THINK I, I DON'T THINK I GOT IT.
I THINK MAYBE MIKE'S GOING INTO YOUR JUNK.
STEPHANIE FOR SOME REASON GOES INTO MY, UM, NOT INTO MY FOCUSED FOLDER.
SHE GOES IN WITH THE, THE STUFF FROM THE METROPOLITAN MUSEUM OF ART AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
CAN YOU RESEND THAT? MAYBE? UM, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL RESEND IT 'CAUSE IT, UH, I'LL, I'LL RESEND IT TO EVERYBODY.
UH, IF, IF, IF PLEASE, MARGARET, IF YOU DON'T GET IT BY, UH, BY MONDAY, IF I DON'T DO IT OVER THE WEEKEND, PLEASE SEND ME AN EMAIL.
BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER THINGS.
I DID HAVE ONE OTHER ITEM, UM, VERY QUICKLY, IF I MAY.
UM, SO, AND SHARON, UM, MAY BE AWARE OF THIS, BUT, UM, THE COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER DUANE HAD ADVISED ME THAT, UH, GROUNDWORK HUDSON VALLEY AND THE SAWMILL RIVER COALITION HAD A, UM, SAWMILL ADVISORY BOARD MEETING.
AND, UM, WE DID RECEIVE A FOLLOW-UP EMAIL, UM, REQUESTING THAT THE TOWN RENEW ITS COMMITMENT TO THE MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT WITH RESPECT TO THE SAWMILL RIVER WATERSHED.
WE SIGNED, UM, OR ISSUED A RESOLUTION IN FAVOR OF THE MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT BACK IN 2007.
THE SAWMILL RIVER COALITION, UM, HAS PREPARED A FIVE-YEAR ACTION PLAN AND, UH, IT HAS PASSED THAT ALONG.
SO COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE ASKED ME, UM, AND I CAN FORWARD ALONG THE MATERIALS TO THE C A C IF IT WISHES, BUT, UH, IF THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT THE C A C WOULD WANT TO FORMALLY SUPPORT THE TOWN IN RENEWING THAT COMMITMENT.
IF I CAN ADD SOMETHING, UM, I HAVE A LINK TO THE, UH, P D F OF THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS DONE THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING ABOUT, UH, WHAT DO THEY CALL IT? GREEN GI.
IT'S SOMETHING GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND, UH, BUT IT WAS VERY INTERESTING.
SO I, I'D LIKE TO PASS THAT AROUND.
UH, ONE, ONE OTHER THING I, UH, SO WE SHOULD DO, YOU'LL DO, YEAH.
I MEAN IT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, UM, IT DOESN'T, I DON'T THINK HAVE TO BE A RESOLUTION OF THE C A C, BUT IT CAN BE AN EMAIL, HOWEVER YOU GUYS PREFER TO DO IT.
WHEN DO YOU, WHEN DO YOU NEED IT BY? SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
I WOULDN'T WANNA WAIT UNTIL THE DECEMBER MEETING ONLY BECAUSE, UM, THEY WANT US TO GET THIS DONE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
AND SO WHY, WHY DON'T WE PUT IN THE MINUTES SAD, DONNA, THAT THE C I'M DOING THE MINUTES, MIKE.
OH, YOU OKAY, PETER, WHY DON'T WE DO THE MINUTES THAT THE C A C IN GENERAL APPROVED, UH, SUBJECT TO, UM, CONFIRMATION BY EMAIL AFTER SEEING THE DOCUMENT OR SOMETHING, IS THAT THEN WE CAN GET SUPPORTED THE RENEWED COMMITMENT OF THE TOWN YEAH.
SUPPORTED THE RENEWED COMMITMENT OF THE TOWN.
AND AARON, MAYBE YOU'LL SEND PETER
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THE ACTUAL TECHNICAL WORDING.UH, I CERTAINLY WILL, YOU KNOW, SUBJECT TO, UH, REVIEWING THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT AND, UH, CONFIRMING THE EMAIL AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE IT NEXT WEEK.
AND, AND ONE OTHER THING, AND THIS GOES BACK TO SENIOR HOUSING.
WE, UM, APPROVED A RESOLUTION IN AUGUST, I BELIEVE IT WAS TO SUPPORT, UM, UH, OR TO ASK THE, THE TOWN BOARD TO SET UP A, UM, SENIOR HOUSING ADVISORY, UH, COMMITTEE TO, UM, LOOK AT THE BROAD RANGE OF SENIOR HOUSING.
UH, PRINCIPALLY TWO COMPONENTS.
ONE IS SENIOR HOUSING FACILITIES, AND THE OTHER COMPONENT IS BROADER ISSUES OF, UH, AGING IN PLACE AND, UM, UM, UM, PERHAPS CLUSTER, UH, CLUSTER HOUSING AND, UH, SMALLER RESIDENCES WITH CLUSTER HOUSING.
THE, THE WHOLE BROADER ISSUE OF, OF, OF SENIOR HOUSING FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT TO GO INTO FACILITY.
UM, AND IT WOULD BE A MEMBER OF THE TOWN BOARD, A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING BOARD, A MEMBER OF THE C A C A, MEMBER OF THE, UH, Z B A AND EITHER THE COMMISSIONER OR THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER OF CD AND C.
AND, UM, UM, THIS IS, I THINK, GONNA BE HEARD BY THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, NOVEMBER 18TH NEXT WEEK.
AND I JUST, UH, AND I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO RENEW, UH, SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE, UH, PETER SAY THAT WE RENEW OUR, UH, SUPPORT OF THE, UH, UH, SENIOR HOUSING? THE RESOLUTION HASN'T CHANGED EXCEPT FOR THE MOST MINOR DETAIL.
FEW COMMENTS FROM THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING COMM COMMISSIONER.
SHOULD, SHOULD WE SAY THAT WE RENEW OUR SUPPORT OF THE TOWN BOARD APPOINTING A SENIOR HOUSING, UM, ADVISORY COMMISSION? SURE.
NOW LET'S GET TO THE FUN STUFF.
SO, I, I WILL ADMIT ALL, UM, EVERYONE IN THE WAITING ROOM, THERE ARE 10 FOLKS REPRESENTING TWO.
IS THERE SOME WAY BEFORE YOU DO IT, IS THERE SOME WAY WE CAN GET THEIR NAMES AND WHAT THEY'RE ABOUT WITHOUT ME TRYING TO SCRAMBLE THEIR NAMES SHOULD COME UP ALONG WITH THEIR PHOTOS, BUT WE CAN GO AROUND THE ROOM IF, IF THAT'S CORRECT.
SINCE THERE'S SO MANY, I, I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME WAY OF LIKE, SLOWLY GETTING, GETTING NAMES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH EACH PROJECT, BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE HAS THEIR NAME AND PETER'S TRYING TO TAKE MINUTES.
AND IF PEOPLE START TALKING, HE CAN'T REALLY LOOK AT THE SCREEN AND START COPYING NAMES.
WHAT I THINK DO WE WANT PEOPLE BOTH PROJECTS AT THE SAME TIME OR, YEAH.
I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME THING.
AARON, YOU COULD SUGGEST TO THE PEOPLE FOR THE SECOND PROJECT, THEY CAN GET OFF THE CALL, UM, WHILE WE'RE DOING THE FIRST PROJECT.
WELL, WELL, THE FIRST PROJECT MAY GO VERY QUICKLY, MIKE.
SO I, I, I THINK, I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT WE IDENTIFY WHICH PROJECT THEY'RE THERE FOR.
WHICH IS THE FIRST, SO MY THOUGHT WAS THE SUBDIVISION, I THINK THE ENERGY, YEAH, THE
SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS ADMIT EVERYONE THEN IF YOU'D LIKE, I CAN ANNOUNCE WHICH PROJECT OR IF TERRY WANTS TO DO THAT, THAT'S FINE.
AND THEN WE'LL JUST ASK EACH INDIVIDUAL THERE ON BEHALF OF THE ARDSLEY ROAD SUBDIVISION PROJECT TO PLEASE, YOU KNOW, STATE THEIR NAME AND AFFILIATION.
THAT WORK? YES, THAT WOULD HELP.
AND THEN WE'LL DO THE SAME FOR THE SECOND ONE.
AND ASK THE SECOND AND ASK THE PEOPLE FOR THE SECOND ONE TO STEP OUT BOUT, I DON'T KNOW,
UH, MAYBE THAT'S NOT, MAYBE YOU CAN'T ALL RIGHT.
I JUST DON'T KNOW EVERYONE FOR EACH OF THE TWO PROJECTS I KNOW MOST.
WELL, AND MAYBE WHAT WE CAN DO IS ONCE YOU GET EVERYONE ON, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY, THEY JUST, I SEE A LOT OF NAMES.
AND IS THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T COME IN YET OR THEY'RE NOT COMING IN VISUALLY? THEY'RE STARTING TO COME IN.
SO ONCE WE GET EVERYONE ON VISUALLY, UM, LET, I THINK I HAVE A WAY OF DOING THIS.
TWO MORE PEOPLE TO COME ON VISUALLY.
UH, IS, ARE GEORGE AND JERRY GONNA BE ON VISUALLY OR ARE THEY JUST GONNA BE THEIR NAME? WELCOME TO THE CONSERVATION DRY STREET COUNCIL.
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TORI, I'M THE CHAIR.I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO HELP US OUT WITH SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM WITH ME, UH, SOMETIMES WITH ZOOM MEETINGS WITH NAMES.
SO WHAT I'M GONNA ASK IS, ARE THE PERSON WHO'S TAKING THE MINUTES WOULD LIKE TO GET THE NAMES CORRECTLY AND FOR THE PROJECT.
SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA, MAYBE THIS'LL WORK IS I'M GONNA SEE THE NAME I SEE ON MY SCREEN, AND HOPEFULLY, UM, AT THAT POINT WE CAN COPY IT DOWN AND THEN I'M GONNA ASK YOU WHICH PROJECT YOU'RE WITH.
SO I'M GONNA START OUT WITH JOHN.
I APOLOGIZE IF I'M PRONOUNCING THAT WRONG, BUT JOHN, COULD YOU TELL US WHICH PROJECT YOU'RE WITH? SURE.
OKAY, THE NEXT ONE IS JAMES ROB ROBINSON.
I'M WITH EAGLE ENERGY STORAGE.
YES, MYSELF AND, UH, LENO JOR, UH, JERRY POST AND GEORGE HOWELL ARE ALSO ALL WITH EAGLE ENERGY STORAGE.
WELL THEN WE'RE JUST GONNA DO YOU ONE AT A TIME.
SO YOU'RE WITH EAGLE, RIGHT? YES.
AND BETH, YOU'RE WITH ALEY ROAD, CORRECT? YEP.
WAIT, WHO, WHO IS WITH ALEY ROAD? I'M SORRY? BETH EVANS.
I'M, 'CAUSE I'M, I'M TRYING TO LOOK FOR HER NAME.
IT'S JUST THAT WE'VE HAD BETH BEFORE US SO MANY TIMES NOW SHE'S SORT OF, SO AN OLD FRIEND OF THE CAAC.
I'M, UM, ALSO HERE FOR THE LEY ROAD PROJECT LEY ROAD.
UH, MADAM CHAIRNO SHERETTA WITH, UH, EAGLE STORAGE.
WHERE DO I SAY? OH, THERE YOU GO.
I, UH, GEORGE HOWELL EAGLE STORAGE.
DID WE GET EVERYBODY? I THINK SO.
DID ANYBODY NOT GET KIDDING?
WOULD LIKE TO, ARE YOU GOOD? YEAH, THERE PERSON, TORI.
UM, IT'S COMPLETELY UP TO YOU, BUT I CAN DO ONE OF TWO THINGS.
I CAN LEAVE THE FOLKS, UM, THAT ARE HERE FOR ARDSLEY ROAD SUBDIVISION, YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN THE ROOM, AND PUT THE OTHERS INTO THE WAITING ROOM UNTIL THE SECOND PROJECT COMES UP.
OR WE CAN JUST LEAVE EVERYONE IN HERE AND ASK THEM TO KEEP THEIR MICS MUTED.
DO YOU FOLKS HAVE A PREFERENCE? I HAVE A PREFERENCE.
IF THERE'S LESS PEOPLE ON, I CAN SEE MORE OF THE APPLICANTS AT THE SAME TIME.
SO THEN WE WOULD ASK MAYBE THAT WE DO THAT, AARON, IF YOU COULD.
WE'LL BE STARTING WITH LEY ROAD.
I, I THINK I HAVE IT AND I'M GONNA ASK WHEN PEOPLE SPEAK, JUST THAT YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF.
UM, A AND PERHAPS ALSO IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU AN ENGINEER OR YOU'RE A LAWYER OR ARE YOU A VICE PRESIDENT OF THE APPLICANT OR OWNER? THE OWNER OF, I MEAN, WE KNOW WHO BETH EVANS IS, BUT THE REST OF, I DON'T THINK WE
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DO BETTER BEHAVE MYSELF TONIGHT.SO WE'D LIKE TO START THIS UP.
AND I GUESS AARON, THE APPLICANT IS PROBABLY GONNA PRESENT US THE PROJECT.
IS THAT THE PLAN FOR TONIGHT? OR, YES, THAT'S RIGHT.
AND WE'VE ALLOWED THE SHARE SCREEN FUNCTION, UH, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE APPLICANT.
SO, UM, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO, UH, UTILIZE THAT IF YOU WISH.
AND, UH, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MS. ROBERTS.
MEMBERS OF THE, UM, THE COMMITTEE.
I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH THE LAW FIRM OF ZAIN AND STEINMETZ.
I AM HERE TONIGHT WITH BETH EVANS FROM EVANS ASSOCIATES, THE, THE PROJECTS WETLAND CONSULTANT.
UM, JOHN MAN WHO IS HERE FROM NATIONAL ROAD SAFETY FOUNDATION, WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY.
AND DAVE LOMBARDI, UM, FROM J M C, WHO IS THE PROJECTS ENGINEER.
UM, WE ARE HERE THIS EVENING SEEKING A WETLAND AND WATER COURSE PERMIT ASSOCIATED WITH A THREE LOT SINGLE FAMILY HOME SUBDIVISION PLAN.
UM, WE HAVE BEEN BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD FOR SEVERAL MONTHS NOW AND HAVE RECEIVED MANY COMMENTS FROM THAT BOARD THAT WE ARE INCORPORATING INTO OUR PLANS.
UM, JUST FOR SOME BACKGROUND, THE PLANNING BOARD AND ITS STAFF CONDUCTED TWO SIDEWALKS OF THE PROPERTY IN THE FALL OF LAST YEAR.
AARON WAS THERE, UM, ON, ON THOSE SIDEWALKS.
AND ONE OF, UM, THE MAIN COMMENTS ON THAT SIDEWALK WAS, UM, I DUNNO, PREVIOUS, SORRY, SPEAK ME JUST SO THAT, UH, UM, MR. GUGGENHEIM GUGGENHEIMER CAN HAVE ACCURATE, UM, MINUTES.
COULD YOU LIKE, SLOW DOWN ABOUT 10%? YEAH, OF COURSE.
UM, SO AS I WAS SAYING, WE'VE BEEN BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD FOR, FOR SEVERAL MEETINGS, AND THE PROJECTS STARTED OFF AS A FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION, UM, PROBABLY, UM, TWO YEARS AGO.
AND BASED ON BOARD FEEDBACK, WE, UM, HAVE MODIFIED THE PROJECT TO BE A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION BASED ON SITE WALKS.
WE HAVE CHANGED THE LAYOUT OF THAT THREE LOT SUBDIVISION AND SHIFTED ONE OF THE HOUSES TO AVOID SOME STEEPS AND, UM, SOME ROCK OUT CROPPINGS BASED ON REALLY GREAT COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, AND ANOTHER ONE OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD WAS TO TRY TO GET A SHARED ROADWAY WITH ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A LONG DRIVEWAY, AND WHEN DAVE PULLS UP THE PLAN, I THINK IT'LL BE EASIER TO SEE.
BUT, UM, THERE'S A LONG DRIVEWAY THAT WOULD BE ADJACENT TO OUR PROPOSED ROADWAY, AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET THE NEIGHBOR TO AGREE TO, TO A SHARED DRIVEWAY PLAN THAT'S REALLY HELPED WITH A FEW THINGS, INCLUDING IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA, AS WELL AS, UM, ALLOWING US TO REPLANT ADDITIONAL TREES.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE DONE IS SUBMITTED A WETLAND NARRATIVE FROM EVANS ASSOCIATES.
UM, THE REPORTS STUDIED THE ONSITE WETLANDS,
UM, THE REPORT GOES ON TO SAY THAT THE WETLAND IS LOW FUNCTIONING AND CONTRIBUTES VERY MINIMAL FUNCTIONAL VALUE, UM, DUE TO THE LIMITED WATERSHED FEEDING, UM, AND THE, THE VEGETATIVE COVER.
UM, I'M GONNA LEAVE IT TO BETH TO ALSO TALK ABOUT THE MITIGATION PLAN THAT WE'VE, UM, MITIGATION NARRATIVE THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED.
UM, BUT I'LL JUST ADD BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO BETH, THAT ON THE SIDEWALK, SEVERAL OF THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, UM, ALSO ACKNOWLEDGED THE LOW FUNCTIONALITY OF THE WETLAND AND THAT IT, IT CONTRIBUTES MINIMAL VALUE.
UM, BUT WITH ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO BETH AND TO DAVE TO GO OVER SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THE PLAN.
AND WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR BOARD'S QUESTIONS, EITHER DURING THE PRESENTATION OR AT THE END, HOWEVER YOU'D PREFER.
UH, BETH EVANS, THE WETLANDS CONSULTANT ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, AS KATE SAID, WE HAVE DELINEATED THIS WETLAND.
ACTUALLY, WE HAVE DELINEATED IT, UH, TWICE FOR THE, FOR THE APPLICANT.
UH, BUT MOST RECENTLY WE DELINEATED IT LAST, UH, YEAR.
AND THIS IS REALLY A POCKET WETLAND, UH, AT THE BASE OF STEEP SLOPES THAT, UH, MAY HAVE BEEN LARGER WHEN THERE WERE LESS HOUSES AROUND IT.
BUT RIGHT NOW IT IS AN ISOLATED WETLAND POCKET.
IT'S DEFINED MOSTLY BY WETLAND SOILS.
UH, THERE'S VERY LITTLE VEGETATION, UH, IN THE MAJORITY OF THIS WETLAND.
THERE ARE SOME TREES, UH, SOME RED MAPLES AND SOME,
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UH, AMERICAN ELM.BUT, UH, THE, THE FLOOR OF THE WETLAND, THE BASE OF THE WETLAND REALLY IS, UH, LARGELY UNVEGETATED, MOSTLY BECAUSE THE, UM, UH, LIGHT SIMPLY DOESN'T GET DOWN THERE THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE OVERSTORY CANOPY.
AND, UH, DURING PARTS OF THE YEAR, LATE FALL, WINTER, AND EARLY SPRING, UH, THERE'S EVIDENCE THAT THERE'S PONDED OR STANDING WATER IN THIS, UH, WETLAND BASIN FOR A GOOD DEAL OF THE TIME.
UH, THE WETLAND, IT DOES HOWEVER, POND WATER FOR LONG ENOUGH TO CREATE WETLAND SOILS.
AND SO WHAT WE HAD FLAGGED WAS THE BOUNDARY OR THE PERIMETER OF THOSE WETLAND SOILS.
UM, HOWEVER, FROM A A WILDLIFE POINT OF VIEW, WETLAND DOESN'T HOLD WATER LONG ENOUGH TO PROVIDE BREEDING HABITAT FOR, UH, AMPHIBIANS, REPTILES.
IT, IT IS SIMPLY NOT PONDED FOR A LONG ENOUGH PERIOD OF TIME TO SUPPORT, UH, THAT TYPE OF WILDLIFE.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, UH, WHAT WE'VE SEEN AS WE'VE BEEN OUT THERE OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS IS THAT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, THEIR LANDSCAPERS OR, OR PERHAPS THE HOMEOWNERS THEMSELVES, HAVE SORT OF USED THE EDGE OF THIS WETLAND AS A DUMPING AREA.
SO, UM, DAVE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN COME, UH, GET THE MITIGATION PLAN, UH, UP FOR THE, UH, UH, THE IDEA REALLY OF THE MITIGATION PLAN IS TO REPLANT THE ZONES AROUND THIS WETLAND SO THAT, UH, IT IS SUPPLEMENTING THE VEGETATION THAT'S THERE IN AN EFFORT TO TRY TO PROTECT THE, THE CENTER OF THE WETLAND AND ENHANCE THE, THE AREA AROUND IT, THE BUFFER AREA AROUND IT, UH, WITH, WITH PLANTINGS THAT ARE MORE CONDUCIVE TO, UH, WETLAND SPECIES OF WILDLIFE, BIRDS AND, AND SMALL MAMMALS SPECIFICALLY.
SO THAT'S REALLY, UM, WHAT, WHAT WE FOUND GOING OUT THERE.
I SUSPECT I WASN'T OUT THERE THIS SUMMER, BUT I SUSPECT IF I HAD GONE OUT, UM, THIS WETLAND WOULD'VE BEEN COMPLETELY DRY FOR A LONGER PERIOD THAN IT HAD BEEN THE TWO, THE TWO YEARS THAT WE WERE OUT THERE.
UM, AND, AND, UH, IT'S NOT GOT A BIG WATERSHED CONTRIBUTING TO IT.
IT'S NOT FED BY GROUNDWATER, IT'S JUST PERCHED PRECIPITATION MOSTLY.
I I, CAN I ASK A QUESTION PLEASE? SO, I'M FAMILIAR WITH, UM, THE NATIONAL ROAD SAFETY FOUNDATION AND THE PROJECT THAT WAS SOLD TO TOLL BROTHERS ADJACENT TO THIS PROJECT.
AND, UM, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, UM, A LARGE SWATH OF PROPERTY THAT NO ONE IS CARING FOR, INCLUDING THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BASIN THAT THEY PUT IN THAT WAS A BASIN THAT NEEDED, WE NEEDED A COLLECTION BASIN.
WE WERE TOLD OUR, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORS WERE TOLD THERE WOULD BE AN H S A, THERE WAS NEVER AN H S A.
SO WHO'S GONNA TAKE CARE OF THIS PROPERTY AROUND THIS WETLANDS? IT SOUNDS WONDERFUL TO TAKE CARE OF THE BIRDS AND THIS AND THAT, BUT WHO'S GONNA TAKE CARE OF IT? BETH? UM, I'M GONNA TURN THAT QUESTION OVER, IF I MAY, TO, UH, THE, THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE APPLICANT.
UH, THAT'S YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S FINE, BETH.
UM, SO, UH, TO BE, TO BE HONEST, CAN YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF, PLEASE? OH, OH, THAT'S YOU, KATE, I'M SORRY.
UM, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH, UM, THE TOLL BROTHERS PROJECT.
I'M, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROJECT AND IT'S A THREE LOT SINGLE FAMILY HOME SUBDIVISION.
SO EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL OWNERS WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR RESPECTIVE PROPERTIES, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE, UM, MAINTAINING LANDSCAPING AND, AND TREES.
BUT THIS DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ON THE THREE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES, IT SEEMS. UH, OH, MAYBE IT IS.
WHO'S GONNA TAKE CARE OF THIS? I, I THINK THIS IS ON LOT ONE.
UM, DAVE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, OR MAYBE THAT'S LOT THREE.
I I I ALWAYS GET THEM MIXED UP.
WHICH ONE'S? ONE AND THREE, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S A PART OF, UM, ONE OF THE LOTS AND HOW WE, I HAVE A COMMENT.
I, I NOTICED THAT THE, THE SUBDIVISION IN TERMS OF PROPERTY ACTUALLY WAS FOUR LOTS.
IT'S, I THOUGHT ONE OF THE THINGS I SAW THAT THE ROADWAY, IT LOOKED AS THOUGH IT WAS SEGREGATED OUT.
I'M ASSUMING THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME SORT OF COMMON OWNERSHIP OF THE ROADWAY.
YEAH, SO ACTUALLY, UM, CHAIRPERSON TORY, WE'RE ACTUALLY IN COMMUNICATION WITH
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THE TOWN.AND, UM, THERE, THERE'S A, A LIKELIHOOD THAT THE TOWN IS ACTUALLY GOING TO, UM, BE THE OWNER OF THIS ROAD.
SO WE DID CREATE THE ROAD AS A SEPARATE LOT.
UM, IF THE, IF THE TOWN WAS UNWILLING TO, UM, TO TAKE THE ROAD, THERE WOULD BE AN H O A THAT WOULD MAINTAIN THE ROAD.
BUT, UM, DAVE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA ENLIGHTEN THE BOARD ON COMMENTS THAT, OR
WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING THE SURFACE OF THE ROADWAY AS POROUS ASPHALT, AND THAT WOULD BE THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, UH, FOR THE ROADWAY ITSELF.
CURRENTLY, THE TOWN DOES NOT HAVE ANY TOWN ROADWAYS THAT ARE POROUS ASPHALT.
BUT IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH B W, UM, IT SEEMS THEY MAY BE WILLING TO ACCEPT IT AS A TOWN ROAD.
AND WE'VE GIVEN THEM A LOCATION FOR THEM TO GO LOOK AT POROUS ASPHALT THAT'S BEEN INSTALLED IN, UH, NORTH WHITE PLAINS.
BECAUSE I GUESS IF, IF THERE WERE AN H O A, THEN, THEN, THEN WE COULD, WE COULD MAKE ONE OF THE APPROVAL THINGS BE THAT THE H O A AND NOT THE HOMEOWNER BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THE WETLANDS.
BUT WHAT IF THEY DON'T? WHAT IF THEY DON'T FORM AN H HOA? THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
IF THEY DON'T FORM AN H HOA, THEN THERE'S A PROBLEM.
KATIE, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED? YOU, ARE YOU FORMING AN, UH, HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION OR NOT? SO, UM, WE'RE, AS DAVE SAID, WE'RE IN COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE TOWN, UM, TO SEE IF THE TOWN WOULD LIKE ON THE TOWN.
I'M ABOUT, UH, MARGARET'S QUESTION ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE OF THE WETLAND.
ARE YOU FORMING AN H O A OR NOT? UM, WE HAD DISCUSSED FORMING AN H O A TO TAKE CARE OF THE ROADWAY, BUT NOT IN PARTICULAR THE WETLAND.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS IF THE TOWN TAKES THE ROAD, UM, TAKES THE, TAKES THE ROAD AS A TOWN ROAD, THE OWNER OF THE, THE PROPERTY THAT THE WETLAND IS LOCATED ON WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THAT AREA.
AND I MEAN, THAT COULD BE A, A CONDITION OF PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL.
UM, CAN CAN, CAN YOU SHOW 'CAUSE I CAN'T SEE, IT MAY JUST MATTER.
CAN CAN YOU TAKE A LITTLE CURSING? WHERE IS, WHERE WOULD ONE, TWO, AND THREE, HOW WOULD THAT THE WETLAND AND THE BUFFER DIVIDE UP? WHERE, HOW, HOW MUCH WOULD BE ON LOT ONE? HOW MUCH WOULD BE ON LOT TWO? HOW MUCH BE ON LOT? IT'S ALL ON LOT ONE.
THIS IS LOT THREE ON LOT THREE.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE BUFFER ON LOTS TWO AND THREE.
I MEAN, ONE AND TWO THE BUFFER, RIGHT? WHERE, WHERE'S THE BUFFER ON TWO? HERE, THERE, THAT LINE.
BUT THE WETLAND IS ON ONE IS ON THREE, CORRECT.
ON THREE DOWN, DOWN TOWARDS THE SOUTH.
WHERE IS THAT? THAT'S PART OF ONE.
THAT'S SAME AS IF, IF YOU END UP THAT WAY, IF, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION AND YOU END UP WITH THE WETLAND AND MOST OF THE BUFFER BEING A ONE, UH, ISN'T IT GOING TO HAVE TO BE THE CASE THAT, THAT THAT'S GONNA, THAT ANY OBLIGATIONS IN ORDER TO MAKE IT RUN WITH THE LAND ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ON THE, IN THE DEEDED? UM, WELL, I CAN, I CAN STEP IN JUST FOR A MOMENT TO INDICATE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BASED ON THIS PLAN, THE MITIGATION, UM, PLANTINGS PROPOSED IN CONNECTION WITH THE WETLAND DISTURBANCE.
ALL APPEAR TO BE SITUATED ALONG LOT ONE OR ON LOT ONE ON LOT THREE.
AS WE DISCUSSED, UM, THE, THE, THE PLANNING BOARDS, IF THE PLANNING BOARD WERE TO APPROVE THE SUBDIVISION AND THE WETLAND PERMIT AS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, THE, UNLESS IT WAS SET UP IN A DIFFERENT WAY, THE OWNER OF LOT THREE WOULD HAVE THE OBLIGATION OF MAINTAINING ALL THAT MITIGATION.
SO IF PLANT MATERIAL DIED, UM, IT WOULD, IT WOULD NEED TO BE REPLACED.
UM, THERE WOULD BE AN APPROVED PLAN THAT WOULD NEED TO BE IN, UM, THAT IT WOULD, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE COMPLIANCE WITH IT.
AND THAT COULD BE LAID OUT ALL AS PART OF A PLANNING BOARD DECISION.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
UM, HOWEVER, VICE CHAIR SIEGEL NOTED THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AT TIMES, AND IT IS WITHIN THE WET AND WATER COURSE ORDINANCE THAT, UM, CERTAIN, UM,
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RESTRICTIONS, COVENANTS, WHAT HAVE YOU, UM, CAN BE PLACED ON A PROPERTY OR PROPERTY OWNER FOR, UM, CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS.AND THAT COULD BE FILED WITH THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY, UM, CLERK'S OFFICE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO LAY OUT KIND OF BOTH OPTIONS.
THE, UM, THE ISSUE, AARON, IS THAT IF, UM, SOME FUTURE LANDOWNER COMES IN AND SAYS, OH, GEE, I DIDN'T KNOW I HAD TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S A DISPUTE AS TO WHETHER HE, HE OR SHE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT WHAT WAS IN THE SUBDIVISION, UM, YOU KNOW, CONDITION MM-HMM.
I MEAN, THE SUBDIVISION IS, BUT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL AND THE LIST OF CONDITIONS ISN'T FILED A PUBLIC RECORD.
IF, IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE IT IN THE DEEDED, THEN THE QUOTE RUNS WITH THE LAND AND THEY CAN'T SAY, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
YEAH, BUT CAN, CAN I, BUT IF YOU HAVE A, I'M SORRY.
WHAT? TERRY, ARE YOU, ARE YOU FINISHED, MIKE? I'M SORRY.
YEAH, NO, I, I WAS LY FINISHED.
I, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PHOTOS OF THE WETLAND, AND I KNOW THERE WAS AN EMAIL RESPONSE THAT IT WAS LIGHT IN THE PHOTOGRAPHY
THERE WERE TWO PICTURES MM-HMM.
RIGHT? IT'S, UH, IF I MAY, I TOOK THOSE PICTURES.
SO, UM, I'M TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM.
IT'S DAPPLED SUNLIGHT IS, HERE'S MY REPORT.
UH, IT'S DAPPLED SUNLIGHT IS WHAT YOU'RE SEEING.
IT'S LITTLE, UH, PINS OF LIGHT COMING THROUGH THE TREE CANOPY ONTO THE, ONTO THE WETLAND FLOOR.
AND I TOOK THOSE PICTURES MORE TO, UH, DEMONSTRATE WHAT WAS ON THE FLOOR OF THE WETLAND RATHER THAN THE, THE LIGHT ITSELF.
BUT, UH, IT IS DAPPLED SUNLIGHT.
AND, AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, UH, THE CENTER OF THE WETLAND WHERE THERE'S LESS VEGETATION IS, UH, PRETTY WELL SHADED.
UH, UH, ABOUT HOW MANY TREES ARE GONNA REMAIN.
I'M SORRY, HOW ARE, I'M SORRY TO JUMP IN HERE, BUT MY QUESTION IS, YOU ARE REMOVING TREES FOR CONSTRUCTION.
AND YOU'RE DOING SOME MEDIATION MITIGATION, UH, REPLANTING, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY TREES ANYWHERE IN THE AREA OF THE WETLAND.
AND IT SEEMS TO ME THE PLANTING MATERIAL YOU ARE USING IS REALLY NOT THAT CONDUCIVE TO RETAINING THE WETLAND.
UM, ACTUALLY, IF I MAY, THE, THE PLANTINGS THAT I SUGGESTED, UM, TUSSIC EDGE AND BUTTON BUSH IN THE VERY CENTER OF THE WETLAND WHERE THERE'S VERY LITTLE GROWING NOW, UM, THE TUSSIC EDGE IN THE BUTTON BUSH, UH, WILL THRIVE UNDER SHADY CONDITIONS.
THEY'RE NOT, UH, THEY'RE NOT LIGHT DEPENDENT SPECIES, AND THEY ALSO DON'T REQUIRE, UH, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES ANY LANDSCAPE CARE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY SELF-SUSTAINING.
AND AROUND THOSE I HAD PROPOSED, UH, FERNS, WHICH AGAIN, ARE RELATIVELY DEER RESISTANT AND REQUIRE VERY LITTLE, UH, MAINTENANCE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE THINGS THAT, UH, MANY HOMEOWNERS, UH, ENJOY HAVING BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE FERTILIZED.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE TRIMMED, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE RAKED.
UM, AND THEY DISAPPEAR IN THE WINTER.
SO, UM, WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PLANTING THINGS IN THE WETLAND ITSELF, IN THE CENTER OF THE WETLAND THAT ARE SHEA TOLERANT AND, UH, ARE, ARE CONDUCIVE TO VERY LITTLE MAINTENANCE AND SPREADING ON THEIR OWN.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU ARE REMOVING TREES, BUT I CAN'T MAKE OUT HERE WHAT TREES YOU ARE PLANTING REPLACING AROUND THE WETLAND TO MAINTAIN THE SHADE.
BUT, BUT, BUT SHE, AS I UNDERSTOOD WHAT BETH SAID, SHE'S PLANTING THEM IN THE ACTUAL WETLAND, RIGHT? IS THAT RIGHT, BETH? THAT'S CORRECT.
SHE'S PLANTING IN THE WETLAND FOR A SHADED AREA, CORRECT? SHE'S NOT, SHE'S NOT PUTTING IN TREES TO PROVIDE THE SHADE.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE MATURE RED MAPLES AND, UH, AMERICAN ELM THAT ARE SHADING THAT WETLAND THAT WOULD NOT NEED TO BE REMOVED FOR, FOR CONSTRUCTION.
WHAT, WHAT IS GROWING IS GROUND COVER NOW.
IT SEEMS SO UNNATURAL THAT NOTHING WOULD BE GROWING THERE, SINCE THE TYPES OF THINGS YOU'RE PLANTING ALWAYS SEEM TO APPEAR SORT OF WITHOUT HELP IN,
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IN, IN AN AREA THAT SAYS UN UN UMTO AS THIS AREA SEEMS. THEY, THEY DO, UH, THERESA, IF THEY'RE NEARBY IN THIS CASE, THERE'S NOTHING, NOTHING EVEN REMOTELY NEAR THIS THAT WOULD PROVIDE A SEED SOURCE OR A, A, UH, UH, RHIZOME SOURCE FOR THE FERNS OR, OR THE, THE SEED FOR THE HEDGES OR, OR BUTTON BUSH.SO THAT'S WHY I JUST, IT'S SO BARE RIGHT NOW.
I THOUGHT, UM, THIS IS A GOOD CHANCE TO BRING IN, UH, MATERIAL AND GET IT ESTABLISHED THERE.
I THINK IT WOULD, IT WOULD DO VERY WELL.
SO WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA MAINTAIN IT.
WE DON'T KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S LOT THREE, UM, WHAT IF LOT THREE DOESN'T SELL? YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? I GUESS WE, I MEAN, RESPECTFULLY, IF LOT THREE DOESN'T SELL, THERE'S ALWAYS STILL AN OWNER.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT NOBODY OWNS THE LOT.
IT'S THAT PERSON HASN'T BOUGHT IT YET, AND MM-HMM.
BUT IF WE'RE PUTTING IT ON THE DEEDED, WE CAN'T PUT IT ON AN EXISTING DEEDED.
SO WE LAW WOULD PRESENTS A, A QUANDARY THERE, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER WAYS THAT YOU, THAT WE COULD DO IT TOO, RIGHT? THERE'S A SUBDIVISION PLAT THAT NEEDS TO BE FILED, AND WE COULD INCLUDE NOTES ON THE SUBDIVISION PLAT, UM, REQUIRING MAINTENANCE.
WE COULD, UM, DRAFT SOME SORT OF, UM, LEGAL DOCUMENT THAT CAN BE RECORDED AGAINST THAT PIECE OF LAND.
AND WHEN A PERSON GOES TO BUY THE PROPERTY, THE TITLE SEARCH WOULD PULL UP THAT, UM, RECORDED DOCUMENT.
SO, UM, WAYS WE CAN HANDLE THAT.
UM, IT, IT ALSO, UM, IF I MAY JUST ADD ONE MORE THING.
THE, THE REASON THAT I CHOSE THE PLANTS THAT I DID FOR THIS MITIGATION PLANTING AREA, UM, AS I SAID, THEY DON'T NEED TO BE MAINTAINED ONCE THEY'RE PLANTED.
UM, I, I BELIEVE THEY'LL DO VERY WELL IF THERE'RE, IF THERE'S SOME DEER PROTECTION, UH, UH, EARLY THAT ALLOWS THEM TO ESTABLISH THEIR ROOT SYSTEMS. UM, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF MAINTENANCE, UH, REQUIRED HERE.
SO MY HOPE WOULD BE THAT THIS WAS AN AREA THAT COULD BE PLANTED EARLY AS, AS, AS THE ROADS BEING BUILT AND THE SUBDIVISION WAS BEING LAID OUT AND THEN, UH, ALLOWED TO MATURE, UH, AS THE LOTS WERE DEVELOPED AND SOLD.
SO I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS IS IF THERE WERE SOMETHING ON THE DEEDED, AND THEN WITH THE NEW TREE ORDINANCE, IT SORT OF SOLVES THE PROBLEM THAT WE USED TO HAVE WHERE SOMEONE COMES IN LATER AND DECIDES THEY NEED A SOCCER FIELD FOR THEIR KIDS
BUT NOW THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME IN FOR A TREE PERMIT.
SO THAT'LL KICK IN A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH THAT THE TREES YOU'RE TAKING DOWN ARE IN, IN WETLANDS.
IT'S A LITTLE, UH, LITTLE, LITTLE BIT EASIER THAT WAY.
TERRY IS THIS, IS THIS SUBDIVISION SUBJECT TO THE NEW TREE LAW? YES.
THEY DID RESPOND THAT THEY WILL NOT BE GETTING THEIR APPROVAL UNTIL AFTER JANUARY 4TH.
AND IT DOES COME IN UNDER THE TREE LAW.
UH, WE, WE ASKED THE QUESTION AND THEY DID RESPOND.
IT IS CONSIDERED, UH, A FORESTED AREA THAT HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED.
AND THEY WOULD BE COMING IN WITH A 30% REPLACEMENT, 30% OF THE, OF, OF THE, UM, VALUE, YOU KNOW, THE ENVIRONMENTAL VALUE VALUE.
I SAW THE TREES COMING OUT AND THE TREES GOING IN.
I SAW EVERY TREE COMING OUT WAS IN GOOD CONDITION.
I HEARD TODAY SOME OF 'EM WERE NOT IN GOOD CONDITION.
WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
TO THAT POINT, WE, WE'VE HIRED, UM, DAVIES, UM, WHO IS A TREE COMPANY THAT'S DOING A THOROUGH STUDY PER THE NEW TREE ORDINANCE OF, OF EVERY SINGLE TREE THAT'S COMING DOWN.
UM, DAVE, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THAT AND JUST SHED SOME LIGHT ON HOW YOU GOT THE INFORMATION THAT WE GAVE TO THE, TO THE COUNCIL TODAY? I MEAN, IT WAS BASED ON DAVEY'S STUDIES OF THE, OF THE TREES
THE INFORMATION THAT'S SHOWN IN ON OUR TREE CHART, CAN I JUST, CAN I, JUST BEFORE YOU START, I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR US IF YOU COULD SHOW US WHERE THE TREES ARE COMING OUT AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING BACK IN, BECAUSE ALTHOUGH YOU SENT US THE MATERIALS, I DID PERSONALLY FIND IT A LITTLE BIT, BIT HARD TO, TO FOLLOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY WERE COMING OUT.
'CAUSE THERE WAS A LOT GOING ON.
THAT, THAT'S THE KIND OF PLAN THAT PICTURE.
I THINK THAT WOULD REALLY HELP US.
BETH, HAVE YOU SEEN THE NEW, UH, TOWN OF GREENBERG, UH, TREE NURSES COME INTO EFFECT IN JA IN JA BEGINNING OF JANUARY?
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I HA I GAVE IT A QUICK REVIEW.SO WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE? DAVID IS TRYING TO GET HIS, HIS VISUAL IN ORDER.
SO THE, THE TREE LIST THAT IS ON, UH, THIS DRAWING HERE WAS FROM OUR SURVEYOR THAT WENT OUT AND SURVEYED THE LOCATIONS OF ALL THESE TREES.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS SIS SINCE HIRED DAVEY RESOURCE GROUP WHO WAS GOING TO BE EVALUATING THE EXISTING TREES TO BE REMOVED.
AND THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS PUTTING TOGETHER THEIR TREE REPORT AND A TREE PRESERVATION, UH, AND PROTECTION PLAN.
WHAT WE'VE SHOWN ON HERE SO FAR IS OUR STREET TREES ALONG THE SIZE OF THE ROAD, UH, ONE LARGE TREE IN THE CENTER OF THE CUL-DE-SAC, AS WELL AS NEW TREES WHERE THE DRIVEWAY TO THE ADJOINING PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE REMOVED.
WE'LL BE ADDING ADDITIONAL TREES ON EACH OF THE THREE LOTS ONCE WE DETERMINE WHAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL VALUE IS OF THE TREES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED.
AND WE DETERMINE WHAT NUMBER NEED TO BE REPLACED.
SO WE WILL ADD TO WHAT IS SHOWN HERE ALREADY ON THE THREE LOTS.
SO WHAT WE GOT TODAY OR YESTERDAY IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT YOU ACTUALLY ARE GONNA DO.
THE
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UH, DAVID THEN IN THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LAND WOULD BE COMING DOWN TOWARDS THE WETLAND? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THERE'S REALLY NOTHING BETWEEN THE NEW STRUCTURES.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS, I GUESS YOU GOT MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES LOWER YOU, YOU GOT MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES THAT ARE GONNA BE DRAINING INTO THE WETLANDS THAN BEFORE.
SO THE PLACEMENT OUT OUR NEW TREE LAW, AND YOU'LL HAVE TO WORK THIS OUT WITH DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, BUT I ONLY TREE LAW HAS A, THE DUAL REQUIREMENT OF AN UN FORESTED, UNDEVELOPED FORESTED PROPERTY SUCH AS THIS 30% REPLACEMENT VALUE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL REPLACEMENT VALUE EQUAL TO, UH, WHAT'S TAKEN OUT.
BUT IT ALSO HAS, YOU'LL HAVE TO WORK THIS OUT WITH THE COMMISSIONER.
UM, THE PLACEMENT OF THEM, UM, HAS TO BE SATISFACTORY TO HIM SO THAT IT PICKS UP, UH, THE STORM WATER RUNOFF.
IT CAN'T JUST BE, YOU KNOW, ANY PLACE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE THAT YOU, YOU GUYS, UH, YOU KNOW, TALK TO THE COMMISSIONER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PLACEMENT ISSUES.
AND, AND WE HAVE BEGUN TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
UM, I, I DO BELIEVE THAT, UH, AND DAVID, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW, A CONCEPTUAL LOT LANDSCAPE PLAN PUT TOGETHER FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PLANNING BOARD AT ONE OF ITS WORK SESSIONS.
UM, JUST TO GIVE A SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT THE LANDSCAPE MIGHT LOOK LIKE, UM, AS THEY MOVE FORWARD AND, AND FURTHER DEVELOP THE PLANS.
BUT JUST TO GIVE A SENSE, KNOWING THAT THERE WOULD LIKELY BE SOME CHANGES, UM, AFTER THEY HAVE THE TOTAL ENVIRONMENTAL VALUE OF THE TREES COMING OUT.
BUT, UM, THEY DID PUT THAT TOGETHER AND I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL.
YEAH, I, I THINK LOOKING AT THIS, I HAVE A CONCERN, UM, THE TREES THAT ARE BE TAKEN OUT FOR THE BACKYARDS, BACKYARDS, I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS AS THOUGH, UM, WE'RE TAKING OUT A LOT OF TREES THAT, THAT I ASSUME ARE ABSORBING WATER BEFORE IT REACHES THE WETLANDS.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING LIKE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WITH THE HEAVY RAINS WE'VE BEEN HAVING AND THE WAY THIS PROPERTY IS KIND OF SLOPED AND WHERE IT IS WHEN IT COMES DOWN, COULD WE LAND UP WITH, WITH THIS CHANGE IN SORT OF HAVING, UH, FLOODING, I MEAN, 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE AN INORDINATE NUMBER OF TREES ARE COMING OUT IN THE BACKYARDS WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE, UM, MATERIALS THAT WERE SET.
AND IS THIS ANY POSSIBILITY OF RECONSIDERING IF THE TREES ARE HEALTHY? 'CAUSE THEY WERE ALL MARKED ON THE MATERIALS WE RECEIVED AS GOOD, PERHAPS RETAINING MORE OF THOSE TREES? OR WAS THE IDEA JUST TO TAKE THEM OUT? 'CAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE A LOT OF GREEN AREA IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
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PEOPLE MAY NOT WANT THAT MUCH GREEN AREA.YOU KNOW, IT'S, AND AND WHAT, WHAT IS, I'M ASSUMING MANY OF THESE TREES ARE FAIRLY MATURE AND THEIR SPECIES THAT WAS LOST IN THE AREA.
WHICH WOULD, WHICH WAS MY CONCERN IS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF THE, UM, TREES THAT WE DON'T SEE ANYMORE, LIKE A HICKORY.
AND IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THE TREES THAT WERE COMING OUT WERE ONES THAT ARE, UM, NATIVE TO THE AREA AND HAVE BEEN BEEN DISAPPEARING.
I SAW 37, 37 TREES WITH GREATER THAN 20 INCH CALIPERS COMING DOWN.
UM, BETH, IF YOU REMEMBER IN, I THINK IT WAS CARVE SUBDIVISION YEAH.
THAT YOU DEVELOPED A PLAN WHERE YOU PERMITTED A LOT OF THE BACKYARD TREES TO BE PRESERVED UNTIL THE OWNER DECIDED WHAT SHE OR HE WANTED TO DO.
AND I THINK IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT'S BASICALLY THE INTENT HERE.
AND I THINK, UH, THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING FOR INPUT FROM DAVEY TO, UH, IDENTIFY THE, THE TREES THAT REALLY HAVE THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY AND THE, THE VALUE, UH, THAT SHOULD BE SAVED.
AND I'M SURE THAT WILL, WILL, UH, INFLUENCE THE, THE ULTIMATE TREE REMOVAL AND LANDSCAPING.
OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THE TREES HAVE TO COME DOWN TO ACCOMMODATE THE STRUCTURES, BUT, UM, YOU CAN SEE AROUND THE WETLAND THAT, UM, THE TREES THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT AS, AS BEING SHADED, UM, BEING SHADING, EXCUSE ME, ARE, ARE MOST OF THEM ARE STAYING.
SO, YEAH, NO, IT WAS ON THE OTHER TWO LOTS WHERE I THINK IN THE BACK THERE WERE, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE IN THE BACK OF THE OTHER TWO LOTS, THERE WERE AN AWFUL LOT OF TREES COMING DOWN.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND YOU NEED WHERE THE, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE IS.
OBVIOUSLY THE TREES ARE COMING DOWN TO GET THE HOUSE IN AND TO HAVE SPACE FOR CONSTRUCTION.
BUT IF YOU WOULD MOVE THE PICTURE OVER TO THE OTHER TWO PROPERTIES, CAN WE GET THAT
THAT WAS JUST CONCEPTUAL FOR THE ONE LOT.
BUT THEY DO HAVE THE LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE AND TREE REMOVAL PLAN.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT DAVID'S GONNA BRING UP.
I THINK HE, HE'S LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S OKAY.
UH, DAVID, DO YOU THINK THAT, UH, YOU COULD HAVE THIS TO US? UM, OKAY.
NOW THAT, DOES THAT HAVE, THAT'S NOT THE TREES THAT SHOWS HOW NO, THIS IS THE GRADING.
THIS SHOWS THE GRADING THAT'S REQUIRED IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT THE, THE HOUSES AND THE RETAINING WALLS BEHIND THE HOUSE.
SO IT'S THE GRADING, THAT'S THE REASON YOU HAVE TO
BUT YOU HAVE TO GRADE IT 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE A BIG SLOPE BEHIND A HOUSE.
SO MAYBE THIS, YOU KNOW, REALLY.
SO YOU GOTTA GRADE THIS, TAKE THE TREES DOWN TO PUT THE HOUSES UP, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE SIGNIFICANT WATER RETENTION LIKE CALEX ON THIS PROPERTY.
WELL, HOW ARE YOU HANDLING ALL THE RUNOFF? UH, WHO'S TAKING CARE OF THOSE? EACH, EACH HOUSE WILL HAVE ITS OWN SYSTEM FOR THE ROOF AND THE DRIVEWAYS AND THE, THE ROADWAY ITSELF WILL BE THE, THE POROUS ASPHALT AS WELL AS THE CENTER OF THE CUL-DE-SAC HERE WILL BE, WILL BE GRASS PAVE.
THAT WILL BE GRASS, BUT IT WILL ALLOW FOR FIRE TRUCKS TO DRIVE, UM, THROUGH THE CUL-DE-SAC.
UH, DAVE, I I'VE GOT TWO QUESTIONS.
ONE IS, OH, WILL YOU BE ABLE TO HAVE A REPORT FROM DAVIES AND REVISED PLAN FOR OUR NEXT MEETING IN TWO WEEKS? UH, NO.
IT'S MIKE, OUR NEXT MEETING'S IN A MONTH.
WHEN'S OUR NEXT MEETING, PETER? DECEMBER 10TH.
WILL YOU BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT BY DECEMBER 10TH? UH, DAVID, I KNOW I WILL AT LEAST HAVE THE REPORT FROM DAVEY AND HOPEFULLY, UH, BE ABLE TO HAVE OUR LANDSCAPING PLAN.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE SUBMITTED, A TREE REMOVAL PRESERVATION, A LANDSCAPING PLAN, WE'RE GONNA SEPARATE IT INTO TWO SEPARATE PLANS.
ONE PLAN IS GONNA BE THE TREE REMOVAL, PROTECTION AND PRESERVATION, WHICH DAVEY IS GOING TO PREPARE.
AND THEN WE'LL BE DOING THE LANDSCAPING PLAN SHOWING WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO REPLACE WHAT'S BEING REMOVED.
BUT AT, AT, AT THE BOARD, AT THE BOARD LEVELS, WE'RE GONNA INTEGRATE THOSE.
UM, NOW THE OTHER SECOND QUESTION I HAD IS, UH, IS THERE AN ANALYSIS THAT CALCULATES, WHAT'S THE RUNOFF NOW THERE'S, THERE'S LESS RUNOFF.
MIKE, LET ME TELL YOU THE ANSWER.
THERE'S, WHAT WAS HE GONNA TELL YOU? THERE'S LESS RUNOFF.
NO, NO, MIKE, MIKE IS ASKING, THE MIKE IS STARTING TO ASK THE QUESTION THAT I HAD.
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THE ROOFTOP WARD IS GONNA GO INTO THE CULEX, BUT WHEN BACK OF THOSE HOUSES THERE USED TO BE TREES AND NOW THOSE TREES ARE COMING OUT AND WE'VE GOT A PRETTY STEEP GRADE THAT'S COMING OUT.THE GRADE IS COMING OUT, THEY'RE BLASTING, THEY'RE GRADE.
AND WE, WE WILL BE REPLACING SOME OF THE TREES ON THESE REGRADED SLOPES WITH NEW TREES.
BUT, BUT IS SO WE CAN'T LEAVE THE TREES THAT ARE THERE IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT THE HOME.
ALSO THERE'S, WE STAND THAT DAVID, BUT LISTEN TO TERRY'S QUESTION.
THE QUESTION I HAVE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF AARON IS STILL ON IN THE PART OF THE CALCULATION, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT THERE'S A NEW YORK STATE LAW THAT YOU BASICALLY CAN'T HAVE MORE RUNOFF ON A PROPERTY WHEN YOU GET DONE THAN WHEN YOU STARTED.
NOW IT WOULD SEEM TO ME, IF WE HAVE SOME REALLY BIG TREES, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ABSORBING A LOT OF WATER AND I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WANT TO GRADE BACK AND YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TRYING TO DO AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY.
BUT I'M LEFT WONDERING, I UNDERSTAND THE ROOF WATER'S GONNA GO INTO A COAL TECH DEVICE, BUT HOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S NICE TO SAY EVENTUALLY THE TREES YOU'RE PLANTING GONNA ABSORB IS MUCH, BUT IN WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT INCREASED RUNOFF THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BECAUSE THERE ARE LESS TREES BECAUSE WE HAVE REMOVED TREES TO DO THE GRADING.
SO J M C IS PREPARING A SLIP AND I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, DAVE, FOR, FOR YOU, WHEN, WHEN THAT'S FINALIZED AND SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO ALSO SUBMIT IT TO THIS BOARD SO THAT THEY CAN SEE THE METHODOLOGIES AND CALCULATIONS.
SO I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD THAT WHAT THE APPLICANT IS OBLIGATED TO DO UNDER THE CODE IS THROUGH THE STORMWATER POLLUTION PREVENTION PLAN, WHICH IS ALSO KNOWN AS THE SWIP THROUGH CALCULATIONS AND, AND DOCUMENTATION TO PROVE OUT TO THE TOWNS BUREAU OF ENGINEERING THAT THERE WILL BE NO NET INCREASE IN RUNOFF FROM THE SITE PRE VERSUS POST.
AARON, AND WHAT DOES THE ACRONYM MEAN AGAIN? COULD YOU JUST HELP ME OUT? SURE.
AND DO WE WE DON'T HAVE THAT YET, RIGHT ERIN? SO, UM, NO, WE'RE STILL, WE DO NOT.
AND AND TYPICALLY AN APPLICANT WILL PREPARE WHAT'S CALLED A PRELIMINARY SWIP FOR THE TOWN ENGINEER, UH, TO REVIEW AND IF THE BOARDS WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT FOR THEM TO ALSO GET A COPY.
YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO SEE A COPY.
YEAH, THAT CARRIES THROUGH TYPICALLY UNTIL, AND IF THERE'S AN APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT, THEN THE SWIP IS FINALIZED AND HAS TO RECEIVE APPROVAL FROM THE TOWN ENGINEER.
AARON, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE DAVE IS WAITING TO, UM, FOR SOME ANSWERS FROM THE, THE TOWN ENGINEER BEFORE WE CAN FINALIZE OUR PRELIMINARY SLIP.
DAVE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO REACH OUT TO, UM, THE TOWN TO, TO FINALIZE THINGS SO THAT WE CAN SUBMIT THAT YOU NEED MY ASSISTANCE ON THAT.
AND WHAT IS THE STANDARD IS, IS IT JUST BE SURE WE ALL HEARING THE SAME THING.
THE STANDARD AND PETER, YOU CAN PUT IT IN THE MINUTES.
NO NET INCREASE IN RUNOFF FROM THE SITE POST-CONDITION VERSUS PRE-CONDITION.
THE RATE OF THE RUNOFF, AARON, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THAT'S IS IT, IS IT QUANTUM OR QUANTUM OR RATE? RIGHT? I BELIEVE IT'S RATE.
I CAN, I CAN, WHAT I CAN DO IS, OH, SO, SO FLOOD EVERYBODY JUST DO IT MORE SLOWLY.
BUT AARON HIT HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
SO I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT WHILE YOU CONTINUE TO DISCUSS, I'M GONNA PULL UP THE CODE AND THEN I'LL BE ABLE TO RECITE.
NO, ARE YOU GONNA BE ABLE TO LISTEN? YES.
UM, HOPEFULLY I CAN COME BACK TO YOUR NEXT MEETING AND ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT BETH, CAN YOU STAY ON FOR THIS ONE COMMENT? I CAN.
THE ONE COMMENT IS WE ARE GONNA BE INTERESTED IN NOT JUST RUNOFF FROM THE SITE, ERIN AND BETH, WE ARE GONNA BE INTERESTED WITH REGARD TO THE ONE ON THE RIGHT HAND.
I IT'S ONE OR THREE, WHATEVER IT IS, RIGHT? WE'RE INTERESTED IN THE RATE OF THE RUNOFF INTO THE WETLAND.
I, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S NOT THE STATE STANDARD, BUT SINCE YOU'VE GOT MOST OF THE, THE CORE OF THE WETLAND IS ON SITE ON THAT SITE, SITE THREE, I GUESS THERE'S,
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WE'RE GONNA BE INTERESTED, UH, AARON AND BETH OF THE RATE OF THE RUNOFF INTO THAT WETLAND BECAUSE OUT BOTH THE RATE AND THE QUANTITY, I'M SURE THAT YOU, AND WE WILL CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, UH, BEFORE YOUR NEXT MEETING.I WOULD LEAVE THAT TO THE APPLICANT TO, UH, BE ABLE TO SHOW TO THE CONSERVATION.
SO I, I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THE APPLICANT COME BACK 'CAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF OPEN QUESTIONS.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE PREMATURE FOR US TO MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER SINCE THERE ARE SO MANY ITEMS THAT SEEM TO BE UNRESOLVED.
UM, SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO, AARON, IS RESCHEDULE THEM, UM, AND WHEN THE MATERIALS ARE AVAILABLE BECAUSE THERE'S NO SENSE IN RESCHEDULING AND IF WE DON'T HAVE THE MATERIALS TO WORK WITH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'VE BEEN SIGNIFICANT QUESTIONS RAISED THIS EVENING ABOUT HOW WE'LL, UM, MAINTAIN THAT WETLANDS IN THE FUTURE SINCE IT'S TIED TO ONE PROPERTY.
BUT, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY THERE'S REALLY ISSUES AND QUESTIONS ABOUT WHICH TREES ARE COMING DOWN BECAUSE OF CONDITION, WHICH TREES ARE COMING DOWN BECAUSE OF, UH, GRADING.
GRADING AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS WITH ALL OF THIS GRADING WITH SO MUCH TREE REMOVAL IN THAT AREA IN TERMS OF WATER RETENTION AND HOW THAT FLOW OF WATER IS GOING TO, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO IT.
SO THERE IS SOME REALLY OPEN THINGS THERE AND ONCE WE CAN SORT OF HAVE THAT RESOLVED, THEN I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO BRING THE APPLICANT BACK.
AND, AND THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE APPLICANT, BUT I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THE C A C WAS NEVER INVITED TO WALK THIS PROPERTY.
WE WOULD, UM, MS. BELA, I APOLOGIZE.
UM, IT WAS NO, YEAH, IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT.
UM, BUT TO, TO YOUR POINT, WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SCHEDULE A SITE WALK WITH ANY MEMBERS THAT WOULD, WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND.
UM, I I WOULD, I YOU KNOW WHAT? I'LL TAKE YOU UP ON THAT AS LONG AS IT'S NOT FREEZING COLD RAIN.
UM,
WE'LL WE'LL SEND, UM, AARON, IF YOU LET'S DO IT.
EVERYBODY WEAR YOUR MASKS AND WE'LL SEE.
THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY I'M HAPPY TO, UM, YOU KNOW, ASSIST WITH ARRANGING THAT THE ONLY THING IS THAT, UM, THE C A C WILL NOT BE PERMITTED MUCH LIKE THE PLANNING BOARD TO HAVE MORE THAN THREE MEMBERS AT A TIME OUT ON THE SITE.
OTHERWISE IT MEETING OF THE BOARD OR FORM OF THE BOARD.
SO IF, IF THERE'S, THEN IT'S QUORUM, IT'S A MEETING, IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING, YOU HAVE TO POST THAT.
IF THERE'S OVER THREE PEOPLE, WE'D HAVE TO BREAK IT UP INTO TWO VISITS.
WE JUST HAVE TO SAY IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING, RIGHT.
UH, YOU HAVE TO NOTICE IT AND, UM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT OPEN.
AARON, WE CAN, WE CAN DO TWO SITE WALKS, THAT'S FINE.
IF EVERY, IF MORE THAN THREE MEMBERS WOULD LIKE TO ATTEND, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO TWO
BUT WE, WE SHOULD BE, WE A WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A SUBGROUP, UH, UH, DO IT, DON'T YOU THINK GARY? YEAH, SURE.
SO THAT, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT, KATE.
WE, WE'LL, WE'LL WE'LL COME UP WITH A SUBGROUP, BUT PROBABLY BE MARGARET, SHARON, AND ONE OTHER.
WE'LL COORDINATE THAT THROUGH, UM, AARON IF HE WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT FOR US.
AND, UM, WE'LL GET THAT SCHEDULED IN ADVANCE OF THE NEXT MEETING.
HEY, JUST GET OFF ANY MORE QUESTIONS YOU WANNA ASK OF THE CAC BECAUSE I MEAN, WE, WE WANT THIS TO THING TO GO AS SMOOTHLY AS WE CAN.
SO IF YOU GOT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, NOW IF THEY COME UP, JUST PASS 'EM ON THROUGH.
UM, I THINK WE HAVE OUR MARCHING ORDERS, UM, AS TO THE, TO THE OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS NOW, BUT AS THINGS, UM, COME UP, WE WILL DEFINITELY, UM, WE'LL DEFINITELY TAKE YOU UP ON THAT.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR ATTENTION.
UM, WE THANK YOU ALSO TONIGHT FOR COMING AND BEING SO INFORMATIVE AND WORKING WITH US.
CAN WE TAKE, CAN WE TAKE A COUPLE MINUTE BREAK BEFORE WE, WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT PETER.
YOUR YOUR NOTES ARE GONNA BE UNBELIEVABLE.
I'M, I'M GETTING RIGHT AS CRAMP
GIVE YOUR HA GIVE YOUR HAND A BREAK BEFORE WE DO THE NEXT ONE.
I SHOULD HAVE COME BACK TWO WEEKS.
I SHOULD HAVE STAYED UP IN UPSTATE TWO WEEKS.
NO, NO, YOU, YOU'RE, WHERE YOU BELONG.
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UH, I HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE, SO I GUESS I CAN GO ANOTHER ROUND.WHAT'S THIS ONE GONNA BE? I DON'T KNOW.
I DIDN'T THINK THIS WAS GONNA GO ON FOR SO LONG, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU STARTED TO LOOK AT IT MORE CLOSELY.
UM, I DON'T THINK WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE MATERIALS I ASSOCIATED THE TREES THAT WERE COMING DOWN WITH THE FACT THAT THEY WERE TAKING OUT ALL OF THE SOIL AROUND IT, YOU KNOW, I JUST THOUGHT, AND THEN THERE WAS THE ISSUE THAT BOTH MARGARET AND I NOTICED, THEY'RE TAKING OUT TREES THAT ON THE MATERIALS THEY GAVE US WERE RATED AS GOOD.
AND THEN THEIR RESPONSE TO US THIS AFTERNOON WAS THAT THEY WEREN'T HEALTHY.
YOU KNOW, SO WE WERE DEALING WITH MATERIALS THAT DIDN'T MATCH UP WITH WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD REVIEWED.
WELL, YOU, YOU KNOW, THE DEFINITION OF A NON-HEALTHY TREE, ANY TREE THAT STANDS IN THE WAY OF DEVELOPMENT
WELL, THAT, THAT'S WHY, THAT'S THE IMPORTANCE OF THE NEW LAW AND REQUIRING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT BE INDEPENDENTLY CERTIFIED BY PROFESSIONAL ARBOR, YOU, YOU AND ZEN AGAINST THE WORLD VERSUS THE WORLD.
WE, WITH ALL OF OF AARON, WE NEED TO TAKE A PICTURE OF AARON SCH WENT AND, YOU KNOW, EMBODY ALMO WITH THE LAND.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO ENGINEERS, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO ENGINEERS, THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME SENSE OF EVEN TREE SPECIES, YOU KNOW, THAN HAVING A CERTIFIED ARBORIST INVOLVED.
AND DAVIE RESOURCE GROUP IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD GREAT INTERACTIONS WITH THEM OVER THE YEARS.
THEY JUST DID THES STREET TREE INVENTORY.
UH, THEY'RE KNOWN, THEY'RE VERY WELL KNOWN.
THEY'RE ON THE SAME LEVEL AS BARTLETT.
UM, WHO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU KNOW BARTLETT, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN LABORATORIES WHERE THEY'RE STUDYING, YOU KNOW, TREE DISEASES AND RESPONSES TO DISEASE AND TRYING TO COME UP WITH SPECIES THAT ARE DISEASE RESISTANT.
WE'LL GET A BETTER PROJECT OUTTA THIS.
WE MOST CERTAINLY WILL, I BELIEVE.
WHEN YOU'RE READY, I'M HAPPY TO BRING IN THE, UH, THE TWO PREMIER ONES.
THEY ARE AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL, IN MY OPINION.
WE, WE READY TO GO BACK INTO, UH, I THINK WE JUST LOST MARGARET AND WE DON'T HAVE SHARON BACK YET.
AND MAYBE YOU CAN START TO BRING THE PAPER BACK.
IS THAT, I JUST HAD TO EAT SOMETHING BACK.
IT'S GONNA TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO GET EVERYBODY ON.
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OKAY.I GUESS WE HAVE TO UNMUTE OUR GUESTS.
YEAH, THAT'S 'CAUSE MY DOG KEEPS BARKING, SO I DON'T WANNA
I THOUGHT WE SAW YOU A CAT LAST TIME.
WAS IT YOUR DOG OR YOUR CAT? A DOG.
BEFORE WE START WITH, UM, THE ONE THING THAT WE ASKED, UH, WE WOULD ASK IS THAT WHEN YOU SPEAK, IF YOU KINDA IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, WHAT PERSPECTIVE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
ARE YOU A, UH, OUTSIDE COUNSEL OR ARE YOU, UH, AN OFFICER OF ONE OF THE OWNERS, OR ARE YOU AN ARCHITECT OR YOU A ENGINEER OR WHAT? JUST SO WE UNDERSTAND, UH, BECAUSE I, I MEAN, SOME OF THE PEOPLE WE REGULARLY SEE THE C A C, BUT, UH, NOT SURE I RECOGNIZE ANY FACES.
SO, UM, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE ON BEHALF OF ENERGY, UH, EAGLE ENERGY STORAGE.
UM, I'LL PASS ALONG, UH, TURN THINGS OVER TO MR. SHERETTA, UH, AND THEN HE'LL UM, TURN THINGS OVER TO THE PROJECT TEAM.
AND THEN ANY QUESTIONS THAT COME UP, UH, THEY'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.
AND I'M ALSO HERE TO ASSIST IF NECESSARY.
UH, GOOD EVENING, CHAIR TORE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
MY NAME IS LENO SHERETTA, PARTNER WITH THE FIRM, MALCON AND FRANK ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
UM, JUST BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, I KNOW YOU MET THE TEAM, UH, AT LEAST IDENTIFIED THEM EARLIER, BUT WITH ME THIS EVENING, WHO WILL BE SPEAKING? WE HAVE FROM STRATUS SOLAR, WE HAVE JAMES ROBINSON, UH, FROM FARINO AND ASSOCIATES, WHO'S OUR TRAFFIC, UH, CONSULTANT.
WE HAVE JERRY POST ALSO SPEAKING, WE'LL HAVE THIS EVENING WE HAVE, UH, JOHN ROMEO FROM INSIGHT NORTHEAST ENGINEERING.
AND LASTLY WE HAVE PAUL ROGERS AND GEORGE, HOW FROM ENERGY STORAGE RESPONSE GROUP.
SO WITH THAT, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE'RE, WE'RE EXCITED HERE.
THIS IS A PROJECT, UH, WITH RESPECT TO A, A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S LOCATED AT, UH, NORWOOD COUNTRY CLUB AT 200 NORWOOD ROAD.
UM, THIS PROJECT, WHICH WILL ENABLE CLEAN RENEWABLE ENERGY, SUCH AS SOLAR AND WIND, TO BE STORED IN BATTERIES THAT ARE HOUSED IN CUSTOMIZED CABINETS.
AND THE, THE, THE IDEA IS TO TAKE THIS, THE, THE STORAGE OF THIS ENERGY TO UTILIZE DURING PEAK PERIODS WHEN PEOPLE NEED IT MOST.
UH, THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM, WHICH WE CALL B E S S, UH, CREATES ZERO CARBON EMISSIONS AND WE PRODUCE ENOUGH POWER TO POWER 5,000 HOMES, UH, WHEN NEEDED, UH, ON FOR AN ENTIRE DAY WITHOUT A CHARGE.
WHAT THIS PROJECT WILL DO IN THIS FACILITY, IT WILL INCREASE, UH, GRID EFFICIENCY, RELIABILITY, AND PRODUCE ENOUGH POWER, UM, TO BASICALLY REDUCE THE NEED FOR WHAT WE CALL TRADITIONAL CARBON EMITTING SOURCES OF ENERGY, WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO INSTALL ON THE NORWOOD COUNTRY CLUB SITE, THE PARKING LOT, THE LOWER PARKING LOT PORTION, WHICH IS KIND OF TUCKED AWAY AND WE'LL GET INTO THE SITE PLAN OF IT.
UH, WE'RE PROPOSING TO INSTALL A 20 MEGAWATT ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM ON A SECLUDED PIECE OF THE COUNTRY CLUB PROPERTY WHEN IT'S BUILT.
THE PROJECT WILL LOOK SIMILAR TO, UH, A SHIPPING CONTAINER, BUT REALLY IT'S, IT'S AN ENCLOSED CABINET AND WE'LL SHOW YOU THAT IN OUR PRESENTATION.
SO WE DO REQUIRE FOR THIS PROJECT, 'CAUSE WE ARE DEEMED A UTILITY, WE REQUIRE A SPECIAL PERMIT FROM THE TOWN BOARD.
AND WE ARE HERE TONIGHT THIS EVENING BECAUSE OF THE WETLANDS AND WATERCOURSE PERMIT THAT WE ARE REFERRED TO, TO THE C A C, UH, MR SHEER, I, CAN I INTERRUPT YOU? ARE YOU, ARE YOU DEEMED A PUBLIC UTILITY OR JUST YES, WE ARE.
WE ARE PUBLIC UTILITY UNDER THE CODE AND WE'VE ACTUALLY SUBMITTED INFORMATION ON THAT TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND ALSO TO THE TOWN BOARD.
BUT IT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED THAT WE ARE A, A PUBLIC UTILITY UNDER THE CODE.
AND AND THAT'S EAGLE ENERGY OR YOUR FIRM? I'M SORRY, MA'AM.
WHO IS THE, WHICH IS THE PUBLIC UTILITY? OH, THAT, THAT IS THE APPLICANT, EAGLE ENERGY? CORRECT.
AND YOU'RE THE ATTORNEY? I'M THE ATTORNEY.
SO TO PICK UP, UH, WHERE I WAS, WHAT I WAS SAYING, UH, BOARD THIS, WE, WE, SINCE THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED, WE'VE MET WITH THE PLANNING BOARD A COUPLE OF TIMES.
WE'VE ALSO HAD A SITE VISIT WHERE WE'VE HAD TOWN AND VILLAGE OFFICIALS 'CAUSE A PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, THE CONDUITS, IF YOU WILL, THE, THE LINES WILL BE RUNNING THROUGH THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD.
SO WE DID HAVE A SITE VISIT WHERE WE MET WITH, UH, VARIOUS TOWN AND BUILD OFFICIALS, INCLUDING MEMBERS OF THEIR RESPECTIVE FIRE DEPARTMENTS THAT WERE ON SITE.
AND WE TOOK SOME OF THE COMMENTS AT THAT SITE VISIT AND INCORPORATED THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS INTO OUR PLAN.
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UH, WE ALSO, THIS EVENING, PRIOR TO TONIGHT, UH, THANKS TO DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, WE DID RECEIVE SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE THIS EVENING.WE THANK YOU FOR THAT AND WE WILL, UH, HOPE TO ADDRESS AND ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS THIS EVENING.
SO I WANT TO THANK YOU AHEAD OF TIME.
IT'S NICE TO HAVE THOSE, UH, BEFORE COMING INTO A MEETING, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
SO, UH, UH, CAN I SAY SOMETHING? SURE.
THANK YOU FOR WEARING A SHIRT AND A TIE,
OH, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS 25 YEARS.
I ALWAYS WEAR TIE, WHETHER IT'S VIRTUAL OR NOT.
YOU'RE THE FIRST ONE WHO'S NOTICED, SO THANK YOU.
UM, SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I WILL NOW TURN THIS OVER, UH, TO JOHN ROMEO OF INSIGHT.
AND AGAIN, WE HAVE JAMES ROBINSON FROM THE APPLICANT ALSO WHO WILL BE ADDING SOME, UM, FILLING IN WHERE, WHERE HE NEEDS TO.
SO WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THE END OF THIS AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, YOUR COMMENTS AND, AND QUESTIONS.
SO, UH, WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION POWERPOINT.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO JOHN AND TAKE IT AWAY.
I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER ON THIS PROJECT, AND I HOPE EVERYBODY CAN SEE MY SCREEN THAT I HAVE SHARED.
UH, THIS IS THE OVERALL LAYOUT FOR THE PROJECT WHERE WE'LL BE CONNECTING INTO THE CON EDISON, UH, SUBSTATION IN ELMSFORD.
AND THEN WE'LL BE RUNNING THROUGH TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS, THE INTERCONNECTION ROUTE BEFORE WE ARRIVE AT OUR PROJECT SITE IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
THE PROJECT AREA IS LOCATED ON THE NORWOOD COUNTRY CLUB, AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT IT IS SITUATED DOWN SLOPE AND TO THE EAST OF NORWOOD ROAD.
I ALSO WANNA JUST SHOW EVERYBODY HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THE INTERSTATE 2 87 CORRIDOR.
SO IT IS PERFECT FOR THIS PROJECT ABOUT EAGLE ENERGY STORAGE.
I KNOW LENA WENT INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT.
IT'S A 20 MEGAWATT OR 80 MEGAWATT HOUR SYSTEM.
THE PROJECT ENCOMPASSES LESS THAN ONE ACRE, UH, FOOTPRINT.
UM, AND AS I NOTED IT, IT CONNECTS TO THE ELMSFORD SUBSTATION.
SOME INTERESTING THINGS ABOUT THIS.
WITH THE RETIREMENT OF THE INDIAN POINT, UH, SYSTEM OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, THIS WILL CONTRIBUTE APPROXIMATELY 1% TOWARDS THE REPLACEMENT OF IT WHEN IT'S NEEDED.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT IT IS, IS A BATTERY SYSTEM, SO IT IS GOING TO BE CHARGED AND DISCHARGED AT RANDOM HOURS THROUGHOUT THE TIME.
AND THE SITE WILL BE OPERATIONAL FOR A MINIMUM OF 30 YEARS WITH TWO FIVE-YEAR EXTENSION PERIODS.
THESE ARE, I HAVE A COUPLE PHOTOS JUST SHOWING A PROJECT SITE.
THIS IS LOOKING TOWARDS NORWOOD ROAD.
WE ARE APPROXIMATELY 30, 35 FEET LOWER THAN NORWOOD ROAD.
UM, SO WE ARE VERY WELL SCREENED AND SITUATED PERFECTLY TO HIDE THE PROJECT SITE FROM ANY PUBLIC VIEW.
THE SITE CAN ONLY BE SEEN EITHER FROM OVERHEAD OR FROM THE NORWOOD COUNTRY CLUB, UH, DIRECTLY.
SO THIS IS LOOKING TOWARDS NORWOOD ROAD, WHICH WOULD BE TOWARDS THE EAST.
THIS IS, UH, LOOKING IN THE SAME SPOT, LOOKING TOWARDS THE NORTH.
UM, THIS PARKING LOT IS WHERE THE FACILITY, THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM WILL BE INSTALLED.
AND AS, UH, SHOWN ON THE PREVIOUS PHOTO, WE WILL BE, UH, YOU KNOW, CUTTING INTO THE TREE LINE SLIGHTLY.
UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH A REMOVAL OF TOTAL OF 48 TREES, THESE, THE TREE REMOVAL, WHILE NOT A HUNDRED, NOT ALL OF THEM ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE THE FOOTPRINT.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT DIGGING NEAR A CANOPY MAY HURT THE TREES.
SO WE CHOSE TO PERMIT THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF TREES WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE OUT WITH, UH, REGARDS TO THE SITE PLAN IN CASE WE HAVE TO, TO HURT THEIR, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ROOT ROOT SYSTEM.
SO THE 48 TREES THAT WE'LL BE TAKING OUT AS PART OF THIS PROJECT REPRESENTS THE ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM THAT WE'D BE TAKING OUT.
AND WE MAY ACTUALLY FIND THAT DURING CONSTRUCTION WE MAY BE TAKING OUT CONSIDERABLY LESS.
WITH THAT, THIS IS OUR TREE REMOVAL PLAN, WHICH I BELIEVE YOU HAVE ALL REVIEWED.
AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THIS LINE, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, THIS DASHED LINE HERE REPRESENTS OUR TOTAL LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE.
OKAY? SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE ARE SOME TREES THAT ARE, THAT ARE BEYOND THAT.
AND THIS LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE, WE WERE FAIRLY CONSERVATIVE WITH.
UH, SO WE MIGHT NOT ACTUALLY NEED TO REMOVE ALL SOME OF THESE TREES THAT ARE LOCATED BACK HERE.
OKAY? THIS IS THE EXISTING PARKING LOT LIMITS.
ON THE NEXT SLIDE YOU'LL SEE THIS IS OUR STEEP SLOPE ANALYSIS PLAN, WHICH I BELIEVE YOU HAVE ALSO BEEN PROVIDED.
YOU'LL NOTICE HERE, THIS IS THE SMALL WETLAND AREA THAT WE'VE LOCATED ON OUR PROJECT IN THE VICINITY OF OUR PROJECT AREA.
IT'S LOCATED OUTSIDE OF OUR SITE.
WE ARE NOT IMPACTING THE WETLAND AREA IN ANY WAY.
WE DO HAVE SOME WETLAND BUFFER IMPACTS, BUT THE EXISTING PROJECT SITE ALSO HAS EXISTING WETLAND BUFFER IMPACTS.
AS PART OF OUR PROJECT, WE'RE ACTUALLY REDUCING THE WETLAND BUFFER IMPACTS AND WE WILL BE PROVIDING TREE PLANTINGS IN THAT WETLAND BUFFER AREA, WHICH I'LL GO THROUGH.
YOU'LL NOTICE WE COLOR CODED OUR TOTAL, UH, OUR DISTURBANCE AREAS, EVERYTHING WITHIN, OBVIOUSLY THE PARKING LOT IS GENERALLY FLAT.
AND THEN WE GO UP WITH INCREASING SLOPE.
UM, UH, UP THIS WAY I WILL NOTE THAT THE SURFACE THAT WE USE IS OBVIOUSLY IMPERFECT, BUT WE USED IT EVERYWHERE WHERE WE COULD, WHERE THIS SHOWS A
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25 TO 35% SLOPE.I WILL NOTE HAVING BEEN ON THE SITE SEVERAL TIMES, THIS IS NOT A, A 35% SLOPE IN THAT AREA, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE SHOWING THAT WE ARE CONSERVATIVE.
NOW, I'M GONNA ZOOM IN AND SHOW YOU WHERE THIS IS, REPRESENTS THE STEEPEST SLOPES ON HERE.
WE UTILIZED THE RETAINING WALL TO TRY TO MINIMIZE OUR DISTURBANCE TO THESE SLOPES.
WE ALSO, AS PART OF OUR SITE DESIGN, INITIALLY, WE HAD THE, THE SITE FURTHER TURN NORTH WHERE WE HAD NO DISTURBANCE TO ANY OF THESE STEEP SLOPES, BUT WE OBVIOUSLY ENCROACHED ON THE WETLAND AREA THROUGH SOME SITE DESIGN EFFORTS, WE DECIDED THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO PRESERVE THE WETLAND AREA, REDUCE THE BUFFER, AND HAVE A MORE COSTLY OPTION OF INSTALLING A SLIGHT RETAINING WALL HERE AND TO PRESERVE THE SLOPES.
SO IT'S A BALANCING ACT WITH ALL THESE, THESE ITEMS, BUT WE, WE THINK THAT WE'VE DONE A, A DECENT JOB WITH IT.
ALRIGHT? THE PROJECT IS SAFE BY DESIGN.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A HYDRANT ON SITE.
IT EXCEEDS ALL THE FIRE SAFETY REGULATIONS WE'VE DISCUSSED AND MET WITH THE, UH, FIRE CHIEF AND THE TOWN AND THE VILLAGE ABOUT THIS.
UH, AS I NOTED, WE'RE UNDER AN ACRE OF SITE DISTURBANCE.
WE HAVE MINIMAL IMPACTS, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS FOR THE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD THIS PROJECT TO TAKE POWER FROM UPSTATE NEW YORK WHERE THERE'S A LOT MORE LAND AVAILABLE RATHER THAN DOWNSTATE, WHERE WE, WE HAVE A LOT HIGHER DENSITY TO PROVIDE THAT AND, AND DISTRIBUTE THAT TO EVERYBODY THERE.
THERE'S A BOTTLENECK WITH GETTING THIS POWER OUT TO EVERYBODY.
AND THIS, THIS SYSTEM WILL PROVIDE POWER IN THE EVENT THAT POWER GOES OUT OR WHEN THERE'S A, A NEED FOR IT DURING HIGH DEMAND TIMES FOR UP TO 5,000 HOMES.
UM, WE ARE PROVIDING 46 NEW TREE PLANTINGS AS PART OF THIS.
WE HAVE SOME ARBOR, UH, PROVIDED TO PROVIDE SOME SCREENING AS WELL AS SOME BOTH DECIDUOUS AND CONIFEROUS TREES TO THE NORTH IN THAT WETLAND BUFFER AREA.
UM, AS I NOTED, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE OBVIOUSLY RETAINED WALL TO MINIMIZE THEIR SLOPE DISTURBANCE.
AND WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH SEVERAL ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW APPLICATIONS AND FORMS AND THERE WERE NO RARE PLANTS OR ANIMALS THAT ARE IMPACTED AS PART OF THAT.
HEY, WASN'T THERE A BIRD? WASN'T THAT, DIDN'T I SEE A BIRD OF THAT WAS NOTED TOLER, THAT WAS NOTED BIRD.
SO THAT WAS NOTED TO EXIST WITHIN THE TOWN, BUT NOT WITHIN THE PROJECT SITE.
UM, OKAY, ONE OTHER THING TO NOTE AND WE'LL GET TO ALL OF THE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, UM, THAT, UH, YOU ALL HAD PROPOSED, UH, RIGHT AT THE TAIL END OF MY PRESENTATION.
UM, BUT THE PROJECT SITE IS ACTUALLY OUTSIDE OF FLOODPLAIN AND FLOODWAY AREA.
UM, THIS IS OUR, OUR PROJECT SITE.
SO IF YOU'LL NOTICE, UH, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL GO THROUGH THIS WITH THAT LAST POINT.
THE FLOODWAY IS THROUGH THIS PARKING LOT.
OKAY? AND THE FLOOD ELEVATION FOR THE 100 YEAR STORM EVENT HAS IT AT FLOOD ELEVATION OF 270 FEET.
OUR PROJECT SITE HAS A MINIMUM ELEVATION OF 272 FEET HERE, WHICH MEANS THAT BY DEFINITION, WE ARE LOCATED ABOVE THE FLOODPLAIN AND OUTSIDE THE FLOODPLAIN AND FLOODWAY AREA.
OUR BATTERIES ARE ACTUALLY LOCATED 273 FEET MINIMUM, SO WE'RE MORE THAN THREE FEET ABOVE ANY FLOOD ELEVATIONS AND THAT COMPLIES WITH ALL ELECTRICAL AND CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS PROJECT.
WE DO HAVE SOME SCREENING, AS I NOTED BETWEEN THE COUNTRY CLUB.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, OUR VINES THAT WE'D BE PROVIDING.
WE ARE LIMITED ON THE HEIGHT OF THE SCREENING TREES THAT WE CAN PROVIDE HERE BECAUSE THERE ARE EXISTING OVERHEAD LINES.
SO WE DO NOT WANT TO TRY TO PUT TREES IN HERE.
THAT WOULD HAVE TO JUST BE CUT TO A REGULAR HEIGHT, WHICH WOULD IMPACT THE HEALTH OF THE TREES.
SO WE ARE LIMITED ON THE PLANTING, SO WE CAN PUT ON THE SITE, BUT WE PROVIDED THEM WHERE WE COULD ON THE NORTH SIDE.
AT THE REQUEST OF THE PLANNING BOARD, WE DID INCLUDE SOME ADDITIONAL TREES.
WE HAVE SOME WHITE SPRUCES, SOME RED MAPLE, AND SOME AMERICAN TULIPS TO SUPPLEMENT SOME OF THE TREES THAT WE ARE REMOVING ON THE PROJECT SITE.
AND AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL LOCATED WITHIN THE WETLAND BUFFER AREA.
AS YOU'LL NOTICE, THIS IS OUR WETLAND BUFFER AREA.
AGAIN, AS I'VE NOTED, THIS PROJECT SITE IS LOCATED SIGNIFICANTLY DOWN SLOPE FROM THE NORWOOD ROAD PROPERTY.
WE ARE NOT ANTICIPATING THIS TO BE SEEN FROM NORWOOD ROAD, AND IF IT IS, IT WOULD ONLY BE DURING THE, THE WINTER PERIODS FOR A VERY SMALL SECTION AT THE, UM, AT, AT THE, UH, CLOSEST CORNER.
OTHER THAN THAT, THIS IS DOWN SLOPE AND OUT OF THE WAY.
THE ONLY PLACE YOU'LL SEE IT FROM IS THE, UH, COUNTRY CLUB.
WE ARE PROVIDING SOME S SWALES WITH CHECK DAMS TO MANAGE STORMWATER.
AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE PROVIDING, AS PART OF THIS, WE'RE GONNA BE ROUTING SOME OF THE WATER, WHICH RIGHT NOW JUST SHEET CLOSE ACROSS THE PARKING LOT, UM, AND DOWN THE SLOPE AT A HIGH VELOCITY.
AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE ROUTING THAT TO THE WETLAND AREA AND TO OUR NEW PLANTINGS WHERE EVERYTHING WILL THRIVE MORE THAN IT CURRENTLY IS.
WE ALSO HAVE SOME, SOME RENDERINGS FOR THIS PROJECT SITE.
UH, THE WHOLE SITE WILL BE SURROUNDED WITH A CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH EARTH TONE, UH, VINYL SLATS THAT'S AT THE REQUEST.
AND IN COORDINATION WITH THE COUNTRY CLUB, THIS WILL REDUCE ANY NOISE ON THE PROJECT SITE INCLUDING, UH,
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YOU KNOW, THE VEGETATION THAT SURROUNDS IT AND THE NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY.WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING THE SITE, UH, BEING HEARD OFFSITE AND IT PROVIDES A, A GOOD AESTHETIC APPEAL TO IT AS WELL.
WE CAN LOCK THE GATES, WE CAN PROVIDE SOME SECURITY ON TOP AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IN GENERAL JUST MAKE THE SITE LOOK AS AS GOOD AS IT CAN.
WE HOPE THIS, UH, TO BASICALLY EXIST WITHOUT ANYBODY REALLY KNOWING IT'S HERE.
NOW, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO JAMES ROBINSON TO JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMPANY, UM, STRATUS SOLAR AND EAGLE ENERGY STORAGE, I JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD ALL HAD.
UH, AS FAR AS SAFETY, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE BATTERIES GET INUNDATED WITH WATER? YOU KNOW, SO AS I'VE NOTED, WE ARE ABOVE THE FLOODPLAIN, BUT IN THE EVENT THAT SOMETHING THE WORLD GLOBAL CATASTROPHE, UH, IN THE, IN A THERMAL RUNAWAY EVENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDS FLOODING THE SYSTEMS. SO THAT MEANS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS ACTUALLY RECOMMENDING THAT WE FLOOD THE SYSTEMS. IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN, UM, IN THE EVENT OF AN EXTERNAL FLOOD, THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WOULD, WOULD AUTOMATICALLY DETECT THE FAULT AND SAFELY SHOVE IT DOWN.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE BATTERIES IN EXTREME HOT TEMPERATURES? WAIT, CAN YOU SLOW DOWN? CAN YOU SLOW DOWN? YES.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE, SO IT GETS, IT GETS FLOODED WITH WATER AND THE, AND THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COMES AND GIVES IT MORE WATER.
WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? NO, EXPLAIN.
WHAT I WAS SAYING IS THAT THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS ACTUALLY RECOMMENDED THAT IN THE EVENT OF A, UH, A FIRE OR SOME SOMETHING ON THE SITE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS RECOMMENDING THAT YOU USE WATER TO EXTINGUISH.
SO, SO WATER IS NOT A, SO THIS IS A THERMAL, THIS IS A THERMAL RUNAWAY EVENT.
NOW IN THE EVENT THAT AN EXTERNAL FLOOD, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT INTENDED TO OBVIOUSLY BE FLOODED WITH WATER, UH, RIGHT.
THE THE SYSTEM WOULD SHUT ITSELF DOWN.
THERE ARE CENTERS IN PLACE BOTH ONSITE AND OFFSITE.
IT SHORTS OUT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
JOHN, I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION.
I WAS AMAZED AT THE IDEA AT AN ELECTRICAL FACILITY, THERE WOULD BE WATER BEING USED TO PUT IT OUT AND THEN IF YOU WERE USING THE WATER WOULDN'T, WELL, THE SYSTEM WOULD TURN ITSELF OFF AUTOMATICALLY.
BUT YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT THEY WOULD BE USING WATER TO PUT OUT A FIRE, AN ELECTRICAL FIRE.
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED THAT WE INCLUDE A HYDRANT ON SITE TO PROVIDE, WELL, THAT'S THE GRASS SURROUNDING, NOT, NOT, NOT THE BATTERIES, BUT IF YOU HAD A A SOMETHING HAPPEN, YOU WOULD HAVE THE GR THE GRASS, THE GROUND CATCHING FIRE THAT I COULD SEE.
THAT, SO THE SYSTEM, THE SYSTEM ITSELF IS DESIGNED TO BURN ITSELF OUT SAFELY.
THAT'S THE WAY THAT THIS IS DESIGNED.
THERE ARE EVENTS AT THE TOP OF A DEFLATION.
UH, EVERYTHING IS CONTAINERIZED.
THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, WE GOT INTO A BIG SAFETY DISCUSSION, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON SITE AND WITH TOWN STAFF AT, ESPECIALLY AT THE LAST PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
UM, AND ESSENTIALLY THESE SYSTEMS ARE ALL CONTAINERIZED.
THEY'RE INDIVIDUAL COMPARTMENTS WITHIN EACH CONTAINER AND EVERYTHING.
WE HAVE 28 DIFFERENT CONTAINERS ON THE SITE.
SO EVERYTHING IS VERY SAFE AND ISOLATED FROM, FROM EACH OTHER.
THERE'S NOTHING FOR PEOPLE TO ENTER IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.
I I, I WON'T TELL YOU YOU'RE TALKING SO FAST.
NO ONE'S HAVING A CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS AND WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA BE EFFICIENT THIS WAY.
AND COULD YOU PLEASE SHOW US WHERE YOU ARE PUSHING? FILL ON THIS SLIDE WHERE WE'RE PLACING FILL? YEAH.
WHERE ARE YOU PLACING THE FILL? WE'RE PLACING FILL UNDERNEATH THE ENTIRE FOOTPRINT UNDER THE ENTIRE, SO THE FILL GOES UNDER, YOU KNOW, UH, UNDER THE CONCRETE.
SO SITE IS WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING.
SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, UH, NATURAL GRADE IS RIGHT AROUND HERE, AGAIN, ABOVE FLOOD PLAIN.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE OUR RETAINING WALL HEIGHTS AND OUR IMPACTS TO SLOPES.
SO WE'VE ADDED FILL TO THE SITE AS WE COME UP.
AND THEN WE'LL BE PLACING GRAVEL ON TOP WITH THE CONTAINERS PLACED ON TOP OF THAT.
SO, SO NOW YOU, YOU, YOU, YOUR, YOUR WRITTEN STATEMENT SAYS IT'S GONNA BE ON CONCRETE, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S NOT TRUE.
THE CONTAINERS THEMSELVES WILL BE PLACED ON CONCRETE OR SOME SORT OF PAD FOOTING.
THIS ITSELF WILL BE GRAVEL AND IT NOTICES GRAVEL.
HOW HIGH? AND NOW, NOW GOING BACK FURTHER NORTH, GOING BACK FURTHER NORTH, WHERE'S THE SLOPE HERE? THERE'S A SLOPE.
GO NORTH, OR DOES IT GO SOUTH OR EAST OR WEST? THIS SLOPE? YEP.
THE SLOPE SLOPES FROM THE EAST TOWARDS THE WEST DOWNHILL.
SO THIS WETLAND AREA IS LOW AND THERE'S AN EXISTING STREAM LOCATED HERE, WHICH GOES INTO A CULVERT.
AND THAT'S NO, NO, THIS SLOW DOWN, SLOW DOWN, JOHN.
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NOW YOU, THE FILL IS GOING UNDER THIS, UH, CONCRETE SLAB ON WHICH THE GRAVEL, THE GRAVEL THE, WELL AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THERE'S THIS FIRST GOING TO BE, THIS IS WHAT I WANNA TRY TO GET CLEAR.THERE'S GONNA BE FILL AND THEN THERE'S GONNA BE GRAVEL, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CONCRETE SLABS.
AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE, UM, THESE CABINETS.
NOW, MIKE, CAN I, MIKE, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? SURE.
HOW HIGH, HOW HIGH OVER THE GROUND ARE THE BATTERIES GONNA BE? LESS THAN EIGHT FEET.
COULD YOU DO MORE? LIKE CAN'T YOU DO MORE? CAN I DO MORE? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? CAN I DO MORE? HIGHER.
CAN YOU MAKE 'EM HIGHER? CAN WE MAKE THE BATTERIES HIGHER? YEAH.
WHY? WHAT? THEY'RE IN CONTAINERS.
UM, THEY'RE, OH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING ABOVE THE FLOOD PLANE? YEAH, YEAH.
HOW C HOW COME EIGHT FEET? UH, THAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE CONTAINER ITSELF.
I, I MIS I I MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU WERE ASKING.
HOW HIGH ABOVE THE EXISTING ROUND IS YOU'RE ASKING IS THEY'RE THREE FEET ABOVE THE FLOODPLAIN.
THEY'RE THREE FEET ABOVE THE FLOODPLAIN.
CAN YOU DO ALL WE DON'T WANNA MAKE THEM HIGHER DUE TO THE WHY.
YOU DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO SEE THEM.
WHY EXPLAIN WHAT THE IMPACT IS.
WHAT IS THE IMPACT YOU'RE TRYING THAT YOU DON'T WANNA RAISE THEM HIGHER? UH, VISUAL IMPACT.
VISUAL IMPACT IS A, IS A RAISE THEM LIKE YES.
YOU KNOW, PAINT THEM WITH CAMOUFLAGE, YOU KNOW, MINIMUM, HIGHER, MINIMUM HEIGHT ABOVE THE FLOODPLAIN.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S THREE FEET ON THE SITE AS WE GO UP, WE'RE HIGHER THAN THAT.
THE FURTHER WE BUILD THIS UP, THE MORE IMPACTS WE'LL ACTUALLY HAVE TO THE WETLAND BUFFER.
UH, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO, TO MITIGATE THIS.
WE'D HAVE A HIGHER IMPACT THEN WE HAVE SLOPE ISSUES COMING INTO THE PROJECT SITE.
VISUAL, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO VISUAL, BUT, BUT NOT FLOOD.
THEN I'VE GOT SOME MORE QUESTIONS.
I'M GONNA GO, I'M GONNA GO ON MUTE.
I NO, GO ON, GO WITH YOUR QUESTIONS.
IT JUST SEEMS TO ME YOU WANNA HIDE 'EM FROM EVERYBODY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, CAN'T YOU RAISE 'EM AND, AND, AND JUST DO SOMETHING ELSE? IF THERE'S YOU'RE DOWN SLOPE.
YOU JUST SAID YOU'RE DOWN SLOPE.
BUT LIKE, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 'EM, MAKE 'EM LAST, DON'T LET THE WATER COME DOWN THROUGH THEM AND WRECK 'EM.
SO FROM THIS SLOPE, WE HAVE TWO, UH, WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER IS THAT WE HAVE THE RETAINING WALL AND WE HAVE A SWALE THAT GOES TO THE NORTH, AND ANOTHER ONE THAT'LL INTERCEPT ANY WATER COMING DOWN THE SLOPE TO THE SOUTH.
SO WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY WATER ON THE SITE OTHER THAN THE WATER THAT NATURALLY FALLS IN IT FROM THE RING.
UM, WE ARE LIMITED BASED ON, YOU KNOW, OUR HEIGHT OBVIOUSLY IS, UH, WE'RE CONTROLLING IT TO MINIMIZE OUR VISUAL IMPACT.
BUT THERE'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, LOGISTICS WITH THIS.
YOU CAN'T JUST RAISE THE SITE INDEFINITELY.
YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT IN THERE.
UM, AND WE'RE, WE'RE ING DOWN, DOWN, WELL, THEY'RE HEAVY.
THEY'RE, I KNOW THEY'RE HEAVY.
I KNOW THIS IS GONNA BE VERY, VERY HARD.
THEY'LL RAISE 'EM UP AND PROBABLY BE EXPENSIVE.
NO, IT'S, IT'S TO BE ABLE TO, WE HAVE TO GET DRIVABLE ACCESS INTO THE SITE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND WE CAN'T HAVE, UH, AN INFINITELY TALL, UH, DRIVABLE DRIVEWAY INTO THE SITE AND HAVE MACHINES BE ABLE TO, AND PEOPLE BE ABLE TO ACCESS THESE.
UM, YEAH, THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE CONTROLLED WITH THE ELEVATIONS THAT, THAT WE HAVE ON THE SIDE.
OKAY, JOHN, LET'S GO BACK SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE FILL, YOU'RE GONNA GO GRAVEL, YOU HAVE CONCRETE, AND ON TOP OF THAT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE CABINET.
NOW, UM, AND THIS IS A HIGHER ELEVATION THAN THE WETLAND, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS.
AND THE SECOND QUESTION IS, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU ANSWERED THE CHAIR'S, THE CHAIR OF THE CACS QUESTION.
SHE SAID, WHAT IF THESE THINGS CATCH ON FIRE? AND YOU SAID, OH, WE, WE GOT A, A HYDRO, WE'LL, WE'LL PUT WATER ON IT OR SOMETHING.
UM, AND THEN SHE SAID, WELL, SURE, THAT'S IF THE VEGETATION CATCHES FIRE.
BUT HOW ABOUT IF THE, THE BATTERIES CATCH FIRE, SAY THEY, THEY'RE MIS UH, MANUFACTURED AND THEY CATCH FIRE OR SOMETHING, OR THEY'RE NOT MAINTAINED PROPERLY AND THEY CATCH FIRE.
I MEAN, YOU BATTERIES, THESE TYPE OF BATTERIES HAVE CAUGHT FIRE BEFORE.
I DON'T KNOW THESE PARTICULAR TESLA ONES, BUT CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHEN SAMSUNG CAME OUT WITH A NEW SMARTPHONE, THEY WOULDN'T LITHIUM IONS.
JOHN, JOHN, UH, I'M GONNA ASK, JUST HOLD ON.
I KEEP ASKING THE QUESTION NOW TO THE CHAIR, YOU SAID, OH,
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THEY ARE SELF-CONTAINED.I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTAND THAT TO BE AN ANSWER, THAT THEY'RE SELF-CONTAINED.
THAT WHAT IF THERE'S A FIRE? SO WOULD YOU PLEASE SLOWLY ADDRESS THAT QUESTION OF WHAT, IF THERE'S A FIRE IN THE BATTERIES, I CAN TAKE THAT ONE.
I'M WITH RAA, THE COMPANY DEVELOPING THIS PROJECT.
AND SO IN TERMS OF THE FIRE SAFETY, THE BATTERY MANUFACTURER, TESLA HAS RECOMMENDED THAT IF A FIRE WERE TO OCCUR IN THE, IN THE CABINET, THAT THE BEST THING TO DO IS JUST TO LET IT BURN OUT.
AND THAT THE CABINET IS DESIGNED SO THAT THE FIRE WON'T BE ABLE TO SPREAD TO ANY ADJACENT CABINETS OR ANY ADJACENT EXPOSURES THAT, SO THE CABINET, THE CABINET WILL CONTAIN THE, UM, THE FIRE AND IT, IT'S, IT'S A MAGIC CABINET.
HEY, CAN I, THIS IS, UH, JAMES, THIS IS LENO.
I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, MADAM SHERIFF, IF EVERYONE CAN SEE WHAT'S, UH, ON THE SCREEN, THE CABINET? YEAH.
SO YOU KNOW, JAMES, JAMES OR JOHN, IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN, JUST AGAIN, I THINK PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, JUST FROM A LAYMAN'S POINT OF VIEW, YOU HAVE THIS CABINET AND YOU HAVE A, A CABINET WITH ANY CABINET.
SO, AND THEN YOU HAVE VENT THAT FLARE OUT SO THAT, SO THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
BECAUSE I THINK THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, HOW IS THIS SAFE WITH RESPECT FROM A FIRE STANDPOINT, HOW IT'S NOT GONNA CATCH ON FIRE.
SO IF YOU COULD JUST U USING THIS, THIS SLIDE, JUST EXPLAIN IT AND JUST USE A CURSOR IF YOU CAN, AND EXPLAIN HOW IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CONTAINED.
IF YOU CAN MAKE IT LARGER, I THINK THAT WILL BE HELPFUL.
I'LL, I'LL TRY TO TALK SLOWLY.
SO I, I WENT THROUGH THIS PREVIOUSLY BEFORE, UH, BRIEFLY.
THIS IS A NON WALK-IN TYPE ENCLOSURE, WHICH MEANS THAT PEOPLE CANNOT ENTER IT.
SO IT'S INHERENT SAFER BECAUSE PEOPLE CANNOT ENTER IT.
THIS IS NOT A BUILDING WHERE PEOPLE WILL NEED TO EXIT.
WE HAVE ALL OF THESE CONTAINERS SEPARATED BY MINIMUM DISTANCES, AND EACH ONE OF THEM, THERE'S 28 SEPARATE ONES, ARE ALSO SEPARATED BY MINIMUM DISTANCES TO PREVENT ONE CABINET FROM IN LIKE BASICALLY AFFECTING ANOTHER CABINET.
WITHIN EACH CABINET, THERE ARE INDIVIDUAL BAT BATTERY MODULES.
AND EACH ONE OF THESE INDIVIDUAL, UH, BATTERY MOD, UH, MODULES IS INDIVIDUALLY MONITORED THROUGH THE, UM, THROUGH THE, UH, INTERFACE AND THROUGH THE, UM, YOU KNOW, SYSTEM ITSELF.
THEN THERE ARE INDIVIDUAL RACKS, LIKE INDIVIDUAL SECTIONS.
UH, WHICH FURTHER PREVENT ANY CONATION EVENT FROM IMPACTING ANY OTHER BATTERIES WITHIN THE SYSTEM.
SHOULD ALL OF THOSE SAFETY ISSUES FAIL? THERE ARE VENTS AT THE TOP OF THIS CABINET.
REMEMBER THAT THIS IS A STEEL CABINET.
SO THERE ARE PANELS THAT GO ON THE OUTSIDE OF ALL OF THIS.
THESE VENTS AND THE INTERIOR OF THIS ARE DESIGNED TO ROUTE ALL VENTED, UH, FLAMES OUT THE TOP.
WE HAVE NO VEGETATION OR ANYTHING ELSE ABOVE THIS THAT WOULD IMPACT AND CATCH FIRE AS PART OF THIS.
THEY'RE ALL MINIMALLY SEPARATED.
THE VENTS ARE ALL POINTED AWAY FROM EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND EVERY, THERE'S MINIMUM DISTANCES HERE TO PREVENT ANY SYSTEM FROM CATCHING ANYTHING ELSE ON FIRE.
SO OUTSIDE OF THE VEGETATION CATCHING ON FIRE, WHICH YOU HAVE ALL NOTED, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, HAS REQUESTED A FIRE HYDRANT FOR THE, THE WATER CAN ALSO BE UTILIZED TO SHORT CIRCUIT ADJACENT MODULES.
SO THE WATER IS THERE TO PREVENT THIS FROM SPREADING TO FIRES ANYWHERE ELSE.
'CAUSE YOU COULD PRE-WET OTHER, OTHER MODULES.
DOES THAT SATISFY EVERYONE'S SAFETY WITH, UH, CONCERNS WITH REGARDS TO FIRE? WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, JOHN.
BUT NOW DO YOU HAVE A WRITTEN REPORT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? WE HAVE A LETTER STATEMENT, UH, AT LEAST IN AN EMAIL FROM THEM WITH CONCERNS, UH, REGARDING, UM, ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND THAT THEY HAD NO CONCERNS.
CAN YOU, UH, HAS THAT BEEN SUPPLIED TO THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER? I BELIEVE SO.
THE TOWN, AARON, I BELIEVE YOU WERE COPIED ON THAT EMAIL.
UH, CAN I, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? IS THIS THE FIRST ONE OF THESE, UM, FACILITIES TO BE LOCATED IN GREENBURG? AND DOES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE IN THIS REGARD? UH, IT IS THE FIRST FACILITY, BUT I'M GONNA LET GEORGE HOWELL, WHO'S OUR EXPERT ON THIS FIRE SAFETY, UH, GET
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A MOMENT TO SPEAK, IF THAT'S OKAY.SO, UH, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, THE, THESE TESLA SYSTEMS UNDERWENT SOME VERY RIGOROUS TESTING, UM, TO A STANDARD THAT WAS DEVELOPED BY UNDERWRITER LABS, UL 95, 40 A, THE FOURTH GENERATION OF TESTS THAT WERE REQUIRED.
AND IT WAS THROUGH THIS RIGOROUS TESTING WHERE THEY TESTED IT AT THE CELL LEVEL, WHICH IS THE INDIVIDUAL BATTERY LEVEL, WHICH IS A, A, YOU KNOW, A VERY SMALL BATTERY, A COUPLE INCHES LONG.
AND THERE'S A BUNCH OF THOSE CELLS THAT MAKE UP A MODULE.
AND THEN YOU SEE THE INDIVIDUAL MODULES IN THE SCREEN HERE, AND THERE'S ABOUT 17 MODULES IN THE WHOLE ENCLOSURE, WHICH IS THE UNIT.
SO THEY TEST IT AT THE CELL LEVEL, AT THE MODULE LEVEL AND AT THE UNIT LEVEL.
AND, AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY BURNED A WHOLE UNITS AND SEEN THAT IT WILL NOT PROPAGATE OUTSIDE OF THE UNIT TO THE ADJACENT UNITS THAT ARE NEXT DOOR TO IT.
SO THE WHOLE PHILOSOPHY THAT THEY HAVE IS THAT THERE'S REDUNDANCY IN TERMS OF THE MONITORING.
THERE'S A, A COMPUTER IN THERE THAT'S THE BRAINS OF THE SYSTEM.
IT'S CALLED THE BATTERY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
THE BMS MOUNT, IT MONITORS ITSELF.
LIKE WHAT, HOW DOES THAT WORK? IT, IT DOES AUTONOMOUS MONITORING OF THE TEMPERATURE, VOLTAGE AND COMMUNICATIONS, AND IT SENDS THIS INFORMATION REMOTELY TO TESLA, TO THEIR NETWORK OPERATION CENTER, WHICH IS RUNNING 24 7.
AND THAT KEEPS TRACK OF THE HEALTH AND THE STATUS OF THE SYSTEM.
AND IF THERE ARE ANY PROBLEMS, THEY CAN REMOTELY DISCONNECT THE INDIVIDUAL MODULE AND ALSO THE ELECTRICITY, THE AC ELECTRICITY GOING TO THE WHOLE, UH, MEGA PACK UNIT.
AND SO BY DOING THAT, THEY, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY CUT DOWN ON THE RISK OF A PROPAGATING FIRE WITHIN THE UNIT.
AND IF, SO, IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE SAYING EAGLE IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MONITORING OF THE SYSTEM, SHUTTING IT DOWN AND THE SAFETY OF IT.
TESLA IS, IS THAT CORRECT, JAMES? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THAT, THAT'S NOT, I THINK IT, IT WOULD BE FAIR TO SAY THAT BOTH COMPANIES WOULD BE, WOULD BE, WELL, HOW DOES EAGLE MONITOR IT OUTSIDE OF WHAT TESLA DOES? YEAH, GOOD.
SO, SO STRATA SOLAR, WHO WE ARE, THE, THE OWNERS OF EAGLE, UM, WE HAVE ALSO A 24 7, UH, STAFFED KNOCK NETWORK OPERATIONS CENTER, WHICH IS, UH, DOWN IN NORTH CAROLINA, OUR HEADQUARTERS.
AND SO WE WILL, WOULD BE MONITORING IT FROM THAT LOCATION.
AND DO YOU MONITOR, DO YOU MONITOR THE SAME FUNCTIONS THAT TESLA DOES? UM, SO I BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD BE MONITORING, WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO MONITOR THE SAME FUNCTIONS, AND LIKELY WE WOULD BE TAKING THE MOST CRITICAL ONES INTO, INTO OUR COMMAND CENTER.
AND TESLA MAY HAVE ALL OF 'EM, RIGHT? SO IF THERE WAS A LIABILITY ISSUE, UM, IF SOMETHING HAPPENED, LET'S JUST AN UNNAMED EVENT FROM A LIABILITY STANDPOINT OF VIEW, WOULD THIS BECOME AN ARGUMENT BETWEEN, IF LET'S SAY YOU DIDN'T SHUT DOWN IN TIME BEFORE THE BAD THING HAPPENED, WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE TESLA OR STRATUS? WITH, WITH, WITH, UH, JUST WITH ALL DUE RESPECT ON THAT QUESTION.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY COULD SUE ANYBODY
WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE? WE, WE, WE AS EAGLE, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO, THERE'S MONITORING BY EAGLE.
TESLA HAS THEIR MONITORING SYSTEMS. I, I, I GUESS I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHERE IS IT TO THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT OR, I MEAN, I GUESS WHAT, WHAT'S THE, THE, THE QUESTION REALLY THAT WE'RE ASKING? WELL, LET, LET ME, LET ME EXPLAIN SOMETHING TO YOU.
WE HAVE, WE, YOU NOW HAVE AN APPLICATION HERE.
WE'RE HEARING ABOUT STRATUS SOLAR, RIGHT? WE'RE HEARING ABOUT EAGLE.
THERE SEEMS TO BE, I MEAN, I'M CERTAINLY NOT CLEAR AS TO WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP OF EAGLE TO STRATUS? WHAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF ENTITIES ARE YOU, I KNOW WHAT TESLA IS AND DOES, AND I WANNA TRY AND UNDERSTAND WHO'S GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS.
WHAT ARE UTILITY STRUCTURE IN OUR TOWN? WHAT ARE YOUR RESOURCES? WHAT ARE YOUR RESOURCES? BUT CAN I INTERJECT BEFORE WE EVEN GET TO THAT QUESTION? I I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THE MONITORING ITSELF.
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SENDING SIGNALS TO BE MONITORED.ARE THE THESE SIGNALS BEING MONITORED BY ANOTHER COMPUTER OR ARE THEY BEING MONITORED BY A PERSON? WE WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY IN THE COMMAND CENTER AT ALL TIMES.
AND IF SOMETHING WERE TO GO WRONG, A COMPUTER WOULD SOUND AN ALARM AND THE PERSON STAFFING THE COMMAND CENTER, THEIR ATTENTION WOULD BE, WOULD BE DRAWN TO THAT AND WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION.
UM, SEPARATELY FROM THAT, THERE ARE AUTO AUTOMATED SHUTDOWNS.
SO EVEN IF THE PERSON DID NOT, UH, FOR WHATEVER REASON IT WASN'T, DIDN'T DECIDE TO SHUT THE SYSTEM DOWN, THE SYSTEM WOULD SHUT ITSELF DOWN IF CERTAIN CONDITIONS WERE WERE VIOLATED.
IS THAT WE STRATA OR IS THAT TESLA? THIS WOULD ALL BE HAPPENING VIA THE, THE STRATA.
SO STRATA HAS, WOULD, HAS BOUGHT EQUIPMENT OR WOULD BUY EQUIPMENT FROM TESLA.
SO WE WOULD BE UTILIZING THE EQUIPMENT WE BOUGHT TO SET THOSE PARAMETERS AND WOULD BE MONITORING THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE BOUGHT USING BOTS.
IS THIS GOING TO A TESLA SITE WHEN YOU SAID IT WAS A TESLA MONITORING, OR IS IT GOING TO TESLA EQUIPMENT IN STRATA? SO I THINK THE, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT IT'S GOING TO THE STRATA MONITORING STATION.
I DON'T WANNA KNOW WHAT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS.
SO THEN MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS GOING TO BE MONITORED BY, WHICH GOES TO PETER'S QUESTION, IS THIS GOING TO BE MONITORED AT A TESLA FACILITY? AND IF IT'S AT A TESLA FACILITY, IS IT BEING MONITORED BY A PERSON OR A MACHINE? OR IS IT BEING MONITORED ON TESLA EQUIPMENT AT STRATA WHERE IT WILL ALSO BE MONITORED BY A PERSON? SO COULD WE KIND OF CLEAR THAT UP? I MEAN, EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING.
I'M, I'M HERE AND THERE'S A PROBLEM IN, IN THE BATTERY PACK AND THE INTELLIGENCE SYSTEM MONITORING IT IN, IN THAT UNIT SAYS, I'VE GOT A PROBLEM.
IT SENDS AN ELECTRONIC SIGNAL TO WHERE? TO STRATA'S NETWORK OPERATION CENTER? NO, IT'S NOT, TESLA IS NOT INVOLVED IN RECEIVING ANY OF THIS INFORMATION.
TESLA WOULD LIKELY ALSO BE MONITORING IT, BUT THEY WOULD NOT BE ACTIVELY DOING ANYTHING.
WHERE WOULD THEY BE MONITORING IT? WOULD THE SIGNAL GO TO A TESLA FACILITY OR WOULD THEY TESLA BE MONITORING YOUR INFORMATION AT STRATA? I BELIEVE THAT THE SYSTEM WOULD GO TO A TESLA FACILITY THAT, THAT THEY MAINTAIN, UM, UH, MONITORING OVER ALL OF THEIR BATTERIES OUT IN THE FIELD.
UH, BUT I, I COULD FIND THAT OUT FOR SURE.
BECAUSE EARLIER YOU SAID THIS WAS WHAT HAPPENING AND WHAT I THINK WE ARE HEARING NOW IS IT'S A LITTLE HAZY AS WHERE THE MONITORING IS GOING.
I WANNA JUST JUMP IN HERE QUICK.
PETER, JOHN, I'M SORRY, TERRY, WHAT? I'M SORRY, I INTERRUPTED YOU ON THE, ON THE STRUCTURE, WHICH I LET, LET, LET'S GET ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS THAT, UH, PETER AND MARGARET HAVE, AND TO SOME DEGREE I THINK CARRIE'S HAD, YOU KNOW, WHO'S ON FIRST, WHO'S ON SECOND.
JUST EXPLAIN THIS VERY SLOWLY TO US PLEASE.
OKAY, JOHN, THE, THE FIRST THING, LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT WHO WE ARE AND, AND JAMES JUST, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN STRATUS SOLAR AND EAGLE ENERGY.
I MEAN, SO, AND JAMES CAN, CAN ANSWER THAT PRETTY SIMPLY IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE STRATUS SOLAR IS I'LL, I'LL CALL THE UMBRELLA COMPANY, AND THEN YOU HAVE EAGLE ENERGY AND JAMES JUMP IN.
IS THE SINGLE PURPOSE ENTITY UNDER THE STRATA FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE? AM I, AM I CORRECT JAMES, IN, IN JUST SIM AGAIN SIMPLIFYING THAT? YES, THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT.
SO THEN WITHOUT JUST NOW ANSWER MARGARET'S QUESTION, WHAT'S THE CAPITALIST, UH, MARGARET, YOU ASKED IT BETTER THAN I DO, BUT AS I UNDERSTAND WHAT MARGARET'S ASKING IS, WHAT'S THE CAPITAL? SO STRATA OWNS EAGLE ENERGY, WHICH IS SINGLE PURPOSE ENERGY.
WHAT'S THE CAPITALIZATION OF EAGLE OR WHATEVER, MARGARET, IF THAT'S NOT RIGHT, CORRECT ME.
SO EAGLE ENERGY STORAGE WOULD OWN THE BATTERY THAT WHICH IS A, AN EXPENSIVE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
AND WE WOULD ALSO HAVE VARIOUS CONTRACTS BETWEEN EAGLE ENERGY STORAGE AND FOR EXAMPLE, THE GOLF COURSE AND THE, UH, UTILITY THAT ENABLES US TO INTERCONNECT.
SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS COMBINED, UM, ARE BOTH EXPENSIVE AND ALSO, UM, ALLOWED THE BATTERY TO MAKE MONEY ONLY NOT LEAST HAD A BALANCE SHEET.
WE HAD A BALANCE SHEET OF EAGLE AS OF 12 31 20.
WHAT'S ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE AND WHAT'S ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF OF EAGLE THERE WOULD BE, UH, BECAUSE THE BATTERY'S NOT YET BEEN BUILT, UM, VERY
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LITTLE ON THE BALANCE SHEET, WHAT WOULD BE THE EQUITY ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE? I'M NOT TOTALLY SURE OF THE ANSWER TO THAT.UM, BUT I, WHAT I'LL SAY IS THAT STRATA OWNS A HUNDRED PERCENT OF EAGLE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE QUESTION, BUT WAIT, I'M SORRY, MARGARET, GO AHEAD.
AND STRATUS AND L L C EAGLE HAS NOTHING.
EAGLE CURRENTLY HAS THE CONTRACT THAT HAS BEEN SIGNED BETWEEN EAGLE AND THE GOLF COURSE.
BUT IT'S CORRECT THAT EAGLE HAS HAS VERY LITTLE ASSETS THAT THAT IS CORRECT.
BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT EVEN WHEN YOU GET THE CONTRACT, BUT EVEN WHEN YOU'RE UP AND RUNNING THE, AND YOU'VE GOT THESE BATTERIES, WHAT'S THE EQUITY THAT EAGLE'S GOING TO HAVE? CAN I JUST, WHAT'S THIS ACCOUNT? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S GONNA BE IN THIS BANK ACCOUNT? YEAH, BUT CAN I, CAN I JUST INTERJECT HERE FOR A SECOND? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
I WANT THE ANSWER THE QUESTION BEFORE YOU INTERJECT.
YOU KNOW, BUT THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING, AGAIN, I DON'T, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BANK ACCOUNTS AND, AND AGAIN YEAH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESOURCES FOR A PROBLEM IN OUR ACCOUNT.
SO CAN YOU LET LET THE GUY ANSWER? BUT I, BUT I, BUT I THINK I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I, BUT I THINK ALSO THERE, THERE ARE WAYS ALSO, I MEAN THERE, WHEN WE DO THESE PROJECTS, WHETHER IT'S CELL TOWERS, WHETHER IT'S THIS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PERFORMANCE BONDS, THERE'S DECOMMISSIONING BONDS, THERE'S BORROWING, THERE'S BORROWING.
LET'S LET THE MAN ANSWER THE QUESTION.
CAN YOU, I I, I, IF YOU WANNA ANSWER, THAT'S FINE, BUT AGAIN, BRING IT BACK TO THE, THE RELEVANCY OF, OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE RELEVANCY IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THESE BATTERIES PLACED IN OUR TOWN IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
THEIR, THEIR MAINTENANCE BEING, THEY'RE BEING A VIABLE COMPANY, MAINTAINING THEM.
WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHEN THEY GET DECOMMISSIONED, WHO THE CONTRACTS IN TERMS OF ASKING FOR BONDING SHOULD TAKE PLACE WITH.
NOW WE HAVEN'T IN OUR CAC TO HAVE AN ODD COMBINATION OF SKILLS, WHICH YOU MIGHT THINK NORMALLY YOU'RE COMING FOR BEFORE A GROUP THAT'S PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON EARTH DAY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE'RE NOT, WE ARE VERY HOLISTIC AND WHAT WE LOOK AT AND HOW IT INFECTS THE ENVIRONMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY, I THINK THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING ASKED ARE VERY PERTINENT TO WHAT'S BEING, BEING ASKED OF THIS TOWN.
LIKE IS THE, IS THIS PROJECT SUSTAINABLE? YEAH.
IS THIS PROJECT SUSTAINABLE? IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, THAT'S WHAT WE WANNA HEAR AND WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY, ANY ANSWERS TO THAT.
AND I REALLY DON'T, NO, I REALLY DON'T APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT TO TRY TO TELL US WE CAN'T ASK THESE QUESTIONS.
GIVE AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION THAT PETER ASKED AND MORGAN ASKED, WHAT'S THE CAPITAL OF THIS COMPANY? WHAT CASH DOES IT HAVE? IF THIS THING AS A PROBLEM, WHAT CASH DOES IT HAVE? WHAT CAPITAL DOES IT HAVE? IF THIS THING NEEDS DECOMMISSIONING, RIGHT, PLEASE ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
SO THE BIGGEST ASSET THAT THE EAGLE ENERGY STORAGE L L C WILL HAVE IS THE BATTERY ITSELF, WHICH IS VERY EXPENSIVE AND ALSO HAS SIGNIFICANT SALVAGE VALUE.
SO THAT'S WHY I SAID AS OF NOW, THERE'S BEEN NO ASSETS THAT MORE OR LESS SO IS THIS, IS THIS EAGLE'S FIRST PROJECT? SO EACH OF STRATA'S PROJECTS IS TYPICALLY UNDER A DIFFERENT L L C.
IS THIS EAGLE'S FIRST PROJECT? YES.
IN NEW YORK YOU HAVE HAD, EAGLE HAS HAD A PROJECT ELSEWHERE.
NO, THIS IS EAGLE'S FIRST PROJECT.
IT'S NOT STRATAS, BUT IT IS EAGLE'S.
O O OKAY, SO, SO WE'RE GOING, SO, SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THIS EAGLE IS A SPECIAL PURPOSE VEHICLE WITH NO ASSETS.
NO, IT'S THAT WITH, WITH NO ASSETS OTHER THAN THE BATTERY.
WELL, IT'LL HAVE, IT'LL HAVE, IT'LL HAVE THE, UM,
EAGLE WILL BE FULLY FUNDED BY STRATA.
YOU DON'T HAVE, IT'S FUNDED BY STRATA AND THERE'S NO, I MAYBE WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT STRATA.
THERE'S NO FUNDING AGREEMENT BETWEEN EAGLE AND STRATA.
STRATA, JUST, IS THAT RIGHT? UH, THERE'S NO FUNDING AGREEMENT BETWEEN EAGLE AND STRATA.
NO FUNDING AGREEMENT FROM STRATA TO EAGLE TO SUPPORT EAGLES.
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UH, NECESSARY EXPENSES.IT'S ALL EQUITY INFUSIONS OR DEBT INFUSIONS AT THE WILL OF STRATA.
DOES STRATA HAVE A BALANCE SHEET? MARGARET, YOU, YOU KNOW, IN THE, I DON'T KNOW, IS STRATA A STRATA ON THE CALL? SO I REPRESENT STRATA.
WHAT IS IT A PUBLIC, HOW DO YOU REPRESENT? YOU REPRESENT STRATA AND YOU ALSO OH, YOU OWN THEM BOTH? WELL, I DON'T OWN EITHER, BUT I'M A REPRESENTATIVE OF STRATA AND STRATA OWNS AN EAGLE.
ALRIGHT, SO TELL US ABOUT STRATA.
SO, SO STRATA WAS FORMED IN 2008.
IT'S A FAMILY OWNED COMPANY WITH OVER 400 FULL-TIME STAFF.
SO STRAT, SO CAN YOU JUST START AGAIN? STRATA IS, SO STRATA WAS FORMED IN 2008, RIGHT? WE ARE A FAMILY OWNED COMPANY AND WE HAVE 400, OVER 400 FULL-TIME STAFF.
THE COMPANY IS BASED OUT OF DURHAM, NORTH CAROLINA.
WE HAVE A NEW YORK OFFICE, WHICH IS WHAT I'M BASED OUT OF.
SO, SO YOU'RE WAIT, YOUR FAMILY OWNS SO YOU'RE NOT SO YOU'RE NOT PUBLIC.
THE COMPANY IS NOT PUBLIC? NO, IT'S A FAMILY OWNED COMPANY.
IT'S YOUR, IT'S YOUR FAMILY JIM.
SO I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO MR. JUST, I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A PRESENTATION, BUT MR. SHERETTA SAID THE COMPANY HAD BEEN FOUND TO BE A PUBLIC UTILITY.
UM, I KNOW PRIVATE COMPANIES CAN BE UTILITY COMPANIES, BUT, UM, GREENBERG, WHO WAS THAT FOUND? HOW WAS THAT FOUND? WHO FOUND THAT? SO I CAN ANSWER THAT.
SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE SUBMIT THIS APPLICATION, UM, ACTUALLY AS EARLY AS, UH, LATE 2019 AND ALSO AS PART OF THE SUBMISSION, WE HAD, UH, STRATA'S OUTSIDE COUNSEL, UH, HAD SUBMITTED A LETTER REGARD.
AND IN ESSENCE, THERE'S A BODY OF CASE LAW REGARDING, UH, WHERE YOU CAN HAVE A PRIVATE COMPANY DEEMED A PUBLIC UTILITY.
AND THOSE ARE CASES THAT TALK CELLULAR COMPANIES AND ALSO REFER TO THESE TYPES OF RENEWABLE ENERGY SOURCES AS WELL.
UM, SO THAT LETTER, UH, MR. GUGGENHEIMER WAS SENT TO THE TOWN, TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
UH, WE SPOKE WITH THEM AND IT WAS DETERMINED.
AGAIN, ULTIMATELY THE TOWN BOARD WILL, WILL, WHEN THEY HOPEFULLY GRANT A SPECIAL PERMIT, WILL HAVE THAT IN THEIR, IN THEIR RESOLUTION.
BUT IT WAS DETERMINED BY THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND WORKING WITH THEM AND STAFF THAT THIS OKAY.
AND THEN YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION.
IT WAS DETERMINED BY THE TOWN ATTORNEY THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC UTILITY.
THEY AGREED WITH THE FINE, WITH THE, WITH THE LETTER THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND ALSO THE CASE LAW.
WHAT, WHAT INDIVIDUAL AGREED WITH THAT LETTER? I I'M SORRY, WHAT? THE NAME OF THE INDIVIDUAL AND THE WE KNOW THEM ALL.
WHAT IS INDIVIDUAL AGREED WITH THAT LETTER? THE INDIVIDUAL, WE, THEY AGREED WITH IT.
SO IT WAS THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THAT I, THAT I SPOKE TO.
AND THEN THEY WERE GONNA RAISE THIS ISSUE AT THE, AT THE SPECIAL MEETING WITH THE TOWN BOARD.
WHO, WHO WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PHONE THAT SAID THEY AGREED.
WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE INDIVIDUAL? THE NAME? OH, YOUR TOWN ATTORNEY.
SO TIM HAS SAID THIS IS A PUBLIC UTILITY? YES.
AGREE WAS IN AGREEMENT THAT THIS IS DEEMED A PUBLIC UTILITY? CORRECT.
WHEN I GOOGLE STRATA, THERE WERE TWO STRATAS INCORPORATED.
I JUST HAVE, WHO IS THIS? AM I RIGHT THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC UTILITY? WHO IS THIS STRATA OR EQUAL? IT'S, IT'S THE USE THAT'S DEEMED THE PUBLIC UTILITY.
SO THE USE FOR, FOR BAT FOR BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM IS, IS DEEMED THE, THE PUBLIC UTILITY.
SO FOR FOR PURPOSES APPLICATIONS, EAGLE EAGLE STORAGE IS THE APPLICANT.
I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE TOWN DEFINITION OF PUBLIC UTILITY AND SEE IF, IF IT REALLY CONFORMS. I MEAN, UM, I DON'T KNOW MIKE IF YOU HAD TALKED TO TIM AT ALL ABOUT THIS, BUT, UM, THE TOWN, THE TOWN DEFINITION IS IN 2 85.
AND UM, SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT WHO HE TALKED TO.
NO, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO TIM ABOUT IT, BUT YEAH.
DO YOU, DO YOU, UH, NOW YOU SENT TIM A LE YOU SENT THE TOWN ATTORNEY TIM LEWIS A LETTER, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND IN THAT LETTER WE CITED, 'CAUSE THERE, THERE ARE CASES THAT ARE VERY PERTINENT TO THIS AS THE ROSENBERG CASE THAT WAS VERY FAMOUS AS A RESULT OF THESE UTILITIES.
BUT THAT WAS CELL TOWERS, RIGHT? CELL TOWERS.
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WAS ALSO LATER CASES THAT TALK ABOUT ALSO RENEWABLE ENERGIES AS BEING DEEMED A PUBLIC UTILITY.AND THAT CAME, THAT CAME LATER.
ARE YOU GOVERNED BY THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION? I READ, DO YOU HAVE ANY OBLIGATION TO MEET PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION DIRECTIVES? WE ARE NOT REGULATED BY THE P S C.
UH, THE, I I, I'VE READ THE LETTER NOW, WHICH CASE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? BECAUSE, UH, UH, PETER'S RIGHT, UH, THE ROSENBERG CASE IS NOT ON, UM, NOT ON POINT.
NO, BUT THE ROSE, THE ROSENBERG CASE WAS ALSO EXTENDED TO, TO CASES THE BEAKMAN TOWN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION CASE AND ALSO THE WIND, WIND POWER ETHICS GROUP.
IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE, BUT EXCUSE ME, YOU KNOW, JUST IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE CASES, THE, THOSE CASES ARE ABOUT ELEMENTS OF THE GRID OR, OR, OR UTILITY OR SERVICE THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY FOR THE SERVICE TO BE PROVIDED.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU DON'T HAVE CELL TOWERS, YOU CANNOT PROVIDE CELL SERVICE.
THIS IS A PRIVATE COMPANY SELLING POWER TO CON ED.
YOU'RE NOT NECESSARY FOR, I MEAN, YOU, YOU MAY BE DESIRABLE AND IT MAY BE IMPORTANT FOR A NON-CARBON FUTURE TO HAVE BATTERY STORAGE, WHICH I HAPPEN TO BELIEVE IS TRUE.
BUT YOU'RE A PRIVATE COMPANY SELLING POWER TO CONED IN A PRIVATE, IN A PRIVATE DEAL THAT'S NOT GOVERNED BY P S C.
I DON'T SEE HOW YOU'RE A PRIVATE, I DON'T SEE HOW YOU'RE A PUBLIC UTILITY.
BUT
UM, AND OVER THE YEARS I WAS JUST, AGAIN, HAVING, HAVING
WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS ARBITRAGING ENERGY.
THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT VERIZON DOES.
YOU'RE BUYING IN ONE MARKET, YOU'RE SELLING ANOTHER MARKET.
BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S THAT YES, THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME WITH, WITH RESPECT TO THE ENERGY ITSELF, WE ARE, WE ARE PROVIDING BATTERY ENERGY, WHICH TECHNOLOGY NOW HAS ALLOWED US TO, IN ESSENCE, UH, DO WITH THE COST, WITH THE COST BENEFIT.
'CAUSE LITHIUM ION THE COST OF IT NOW COMPARED TO WHAT IT WAS 2010 YEARS AGO, UH, THIS, THIS ALLOWS THIS TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY TO GO FORWARD BECAUSE OF THE, IT'S CHEAPER TO MAKE LITHIUM BATTERY NOW.
AND SO THIS IS, IT'S, IT'S A FAIRLY NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT'S BEEN PERMITTED BECAUSE OF THE LOWER COST IN LITHIUM ION BATTERY CONSTRUCTION.
SO AGAIN, WHETHER IT COMES TO WIND, WHETHER IT'S BATTERY ENERGY, IT, IT IS CONSIDERED A RE YOU KNOW, A RENEWABLE ENERGY SOURCE.
SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT'S NOT THE SAME THING AS A PUBLIC UTILITY.
ONE OTHER NOTE, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT'S A, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT'S A NEW SOURCE.
I AGREE WITH YOU THAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PROVIDING IT, BUT THAT STILL DOESN'T MAKE YOU A PUBLIC UTILITY.
ONE OTHER ITEM TO NOTE, AND WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET TO THE END OF THAT, UM, ISSUE, WE CERTAINLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE TOWN, UM, UH, CODE TO SEE THEIR DEFINITION OF PUBLIC UTILITIES.
BUT, UM, AND MIND YOU, I'M NOT AGAINST BATTERY STORAGE.
SO YEAH, THAT'S THE HOLY GRAIL, PETER.
IF WE CAN GET BATTERIES TO STORE THE STUFF, I KNOW THAT I THINK WE'VE KIND OF, I'M WHAT THE BATTERIES ARE NOT EFFICIENT AND THE BATTERIES ARE DANGEROUS.
OKAY, LET'S GO BACK TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS.
AND I HAD A QUICK QUESTION ON EAGLE.
WHEN I, WE, WHEN I LOOKED UP EAGLE, THERE WERE TWO EAGLES INCORPORATED.
ONE WAS, SEEMED TO BE A, UM, INCORPORATED IN THE UNITED STATES AND THE OTHER ONE SEEMED TO BE INCORPORATED.
I GUESS, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHICH EAGLE IS THIS? WHICH STRATA STRATAS? SO THE STRATA IS INCORPORATED IN, IN NORTH CAROLINA, I BELIEVE.
AND, BUT TWO EAGLES INCORPORATED.
WHICH EAGLE ARE YOU? UH, UH, EAGLE WOULD EITHER HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED OR IN NORTH CAROLINA OR IN NEW YORK.
WELL I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW WHICH ONE YOU WERE BECAUSE THE ONE IN NEW YORK WAS LISTED ON THE SITE.
I WAS AS A FOREIGN COMPANY, WHICH WAS SORT OF STRANGE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHICH ONE YOU CAN ANSWER THAT ONE ALONG WITH THE OTHER QUESTIONS.
YEAH, WE WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT A FOREIGN COMPANY, SO I, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WE'RE PROBABLY THE ONE THAT'S INCORPORATED IN NORTH CAROLINA.
AND THEN YOU GUYS ARE GONNA, YOU GUYS GONNA FORGIVE ME, BUT I HAD A STEP OUT HERE.
BUT DOES STRATA HAVE ANY REVENUES? DOES STRATA HAVE ANY RESOURCES? YES.
SO STRATA HAS DEVELOPED OVER 250 PROJECTS, MAINLY, MAINLY SOLAR ENERGY.
UM, AND WE OWN OVER 800 MEGAWATTS OF, OF SOLAR.
SO A SUBSET OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED, WE OWN OTHER PROJECTS WE HAVE DEVELOPED FOR OTHER COMPANIES.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE UTILITIES IN THE SOUTH USE OUR SERVICES TO DEVELOP SOLAR, UM, QUITE OFTEN.
SO WHAT WAS, WHAT WOULD BE LIKE AN ANNUAL,
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YOU KNOW, ANNUAL TOP LINE REVENUE NUMBER? I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I COULD FIND IT, IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, SINCE, SINCE EAGLE HAS NOTHING, IT'D BE NO IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT STRATA COULD BACK UP EAGLE AND IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR US TO MM-HMM.'CAUSE EAGLE IS THE APPLICANT.
AND SO LEMME JUST SAY THAT THE, THE, THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE ASKING ARE REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS, AND THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT WE GET ALL THE TIME WHEN WE'RE DEVELOPING THESE PROJECTS, AND I THINK, UM, WE'RE COMPLETELY COMMITTED TO HELPING YOU SOLVE THEM.
SO I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED IN THE LIST OF QUESTIONS WAS THE, A DECOMMISSIONING BOND.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO FIGURING OUT, UM, WHAT WHAT LEVEL OF DECOMMISSIONING BOND, UH, YOU WOULD NEED TO BE COMFORTABLE RIGHT.
AND I THINK, UH, WE, SO WE CAN DEFINITELY GO, GO THROUGH THAT EXERCISE AND AS LONG AS IT'S TIED TO THE, THE REALISTIC COST OF DECOMMISSIONING THE SYSTEM, BUT WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
UH, I'LL ASK JAMES, WOULD YOU SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME, BECAUSE WE ARE GONNA TALK ABOUT DECOMMISSIONING A LITTLE BIT LATER.
JUST SAY, I'M NOT QUESTIONING YOU.
JUST SAY IT ONE MORE TIME BECAUSE I WAS WRITING SOMETHING.
WE SURE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT DECOMMISSIONING COSTS.
SO WHAT I SAID WAS THAT THE, THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ARE GETTING AT AROUND WHY EAGLE HAS NO BALANCE SHEET AND WHAT RISK THAT PUTS ONTO THE TOWN ARE VERY GOOD QUESTIONS.
AND THESE QUESTIONS COME UP ALL THE TIME DURING THE PROJECT DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO, UM, IT MAKES SENSE THAT YOU'RE ASKING THEM, AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SOLVE THEM IN VARIOUS WAYS, INCLUDING THE POTENTIAL OF PROVIDING SOME LEVEL OF DECOMMISSIONING BOND, WHICH WOULD THEN EVEN IN A WORSE CASE SCENARIO WHERE, UM, FOR WHATEVER REASON WE DISAPPEARED, WOULD ALLOW YOU TO, UM, TO HAVE THE RESOURCES TO SAFELY DECOMMISSION THE SYSTEM.
CAN I, UH, ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION? I'M SORRY.
I DON'T MEAN TO BE NOSY, BUT SO, SO STRATA'S A A, YOU KNOW, OF THE ESTABLISHED BUSINESS, RIGHT? STRATA'S ESTABLISHED AND OUR REVENUES ARE IN THE MI TO MILLIONS, PROBABLY THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS, BUT I, I JUST DON'T WANNA SAY ANYTHING BEFORE CHECKING.
I HAVE, I HAVE A SLIDE UP FOR STRATAS SOLAR RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS THE PUBLIC WEBSITE YOU SHOULD ALL BE ABLE TO SEE.
SO, SO WHY, WHY DO WE NEED EAGLE TO COME IN HERE? TO, TO, TO GREENBERG? WHY CAN'T GET ESTRADA COMING IN HERE? WHO IS THE EAGLE IN RELATION TO GREENBERG? CAN YOU GIMME THE COLOR? LIKE WHOSE EAGLE IS, LIKE, WHAT'S LITTLE SPECIAL PROJECT IS THIS OF STRATA? WHY DOES STRATA COME INTO GREENBURG? SO A BIG PIECE OF IT IS THAT STRATA'S STRATA'S, UH, SPECIALTY IS DEVELOPING PROJECT.
SO IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S WORKING WITH TOWNS TO FIND, TO FIND LAND THAT, UM, THAT, THAT IS SUITABLE FOR THE PROJECT AND GOING THROUGH THE INTERCONNECTION WITH THE UTILITY, WORKING WITH TESLA AND OR OTHER SUPPLIERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SYSTEMS ARE THE RIGHT ONES AND THAT THEY'RE INSTALLED SAFELY.
UM, AND STRATA TO, LIKE I SAID, WE DO OWN 800 MEGAWATTS WORTH OF, UM, WORTH OF PROJECTS, BUT WE'VE DEVELOPED OVER 2000 MEGAWATTS.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT A LOT OF WHAT WE DEVELOP, WE NEED TO FIND OTHER MONEY TO PAY FOR, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPITAL TO OWN ALL 2000 MEGAWATTS THAT WE WOULD DEVELOP.
SO THE, THE, THE SS P E STRUCTURE OF, OF HAVING EAGLE SITTING IN ITS OWN LITTLE COMPANY IS TO HELP FACILITATE BRINGING MONEY INTO THAT COMPANY TO HELP FUND THE BUILD OUT OF THE BATTERY.
IT'S NOT REALLY SUPPOSED TO BE PROTECTING US FROM LIABILITY ALONG THE LINES OF, UM, IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG WITH DECOMMISSIONING.
AND, AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO FIND OTHER WAYS AROUND THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, THAT WE DO ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO HAVE TO MAKE THAT, UH, A DECOMMISSIONING HAPPEN PROPERLY.
JAMES, MAYBE YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO US, UM, YOU HAVE A 20 MEGAWATT FACILITY, RIGHT? BUT IT COULD, IT COULD SUPPORT 80 MEGAWATT HOURS MM-HMM.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO, TO THE, TO US MM-HMM.
SO IT'S, IT IS LIKE THE WATER GOING UNDER THE BRIDGE.
SO, SO MEGAWATTS IS LIKE A FLOW RATE.
IT'S HOW QUICKLY THE POWER CAN GO IN AND OUT.
AND MEGAWATT HOURS IS A, LIKE A, A VOLUME, LIKE A BUCKET.
SO THE BATTERY CAN PUSH IN AND OUT 20 MEGAWATTS AT ANY TIME AND IT CAN HOLD 80 MEGAWATT HOURS.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT IT CAN PUSH IN OR CAN CHARGE FOR FOUR HOURS STRAIGHT AND GET UP TO 80, AND THEN IT CAN DISCHARGE FOR FOUR HOURS STRAIGHT, GO DOWN TO ZERO, OR IT CAN BOUNCE AROUND IN THE MIDDLE.
UM, AND BOTH OF THOSE UNITS ARE IMPORTANT TO, YOU KNOW, THE, TO THE SPECIFICATIONS OF THE SYSTEM.
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I JUST WANNA READ INTO THE RECORD OF THIS MEETING SINCE IT'S RECORDED.THE TOWN OF GREENBERG DEFINITION OF A PUBLIC UTILITY.
IT'S ANY PERSON, FIRM, CORPORATION, OR GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY YOU QUALIFY DULY AUTHORIZED TO FURNISH TO THE PUBLIC UNDER GOVERNMENTAL REGULATION, ELECTRICITY, GAS, WATER, SEWAGE TREATMENT, STEAM OR COMMUNICATION SERVICES.
THIS DEFINITION SHALL NOT BE STOW ANY SPECIAL STATUS OR STANDING NOT ALREADY PROVIDED BY STATE OR FEDERAL LAW.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT LAST SENTENCE MEANS, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU DON'T QUALIFY AS A PUBLIC UTILITIES BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT UNDER GOVERNMENTAL REGULATIONS.
AND THAT'S JUST, AND WELL, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, I MEAN, WE SHOULDN'T, I MEAN, THEY SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BE EVEN APPLYING FOR THIS, UM, AS A PUBLIC UTILITY.
THE WHOLE, I MEAN, THE, THE WHOLE PREMISE OF THE APPLICATION IS FLAWED.
AND AGAIN, I'LL SAY TO YOU, JAMES, I AM NOT, UH, ANTI BEST SYSTEMS. I THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE AN IMPORTANT PART OF FUTURE ENERGY DELIVERY, BUT WE GOTTA DO IT BY THE LAW THAT EXISTS.
I MEAN, THE, THE, THE QUESTION THAT WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH, UM, IS I DON'T THINK ANY OF US REALLY ARE AGAINST THIS.
THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT THESE IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS? THAT'S RIGHT.
IF WE ALLOW THIS IN, THIS IS ON THE EDGE OF A GOLF COURSE, YOU WE UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT'S AN R 30 ZONE AND ONCE YOU START, ONCE YOU ALLOW IT IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, UH, THERE ARE PLENTY 1.6 ACRES IN RESIDENTIAL ZONES THAT ARE SET A PRECEDENT.
SO YOU ARE IN AN IL ZONE, YOU KNOW, THERE'D BE A LOT LESS FRICTION.
SO I DON'T WANNA SPEAK OUT OF TURN, AND I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF THIS, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, UM, IS, IS WORKING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT SYSTEMS LIKE THIS CAN BE INSTALLED IN AREAS LIKE THE GOLF COURSE WHERE WE ARE, BUT NOT IN MORE DENSELY PACKED RESIDENTIAL ZONES.
BUT EXCEPT THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE FACE NOW, IF YOU CAN DO IT ON A PORTION OF A GOLF COURSE, WE CAN HAVE AN ENTIRE GOLF COURSE BECOME POPULATED WITH THESE.
SO THERE ARE REAL SIGNIFICANT, AND THAT THAT IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE BECAUSE THESE IN GOLF COURSES RIGHT NOW ARE PROVIDING IN AN AREA THAT HAS AIR QUALITY ISSUES, ARE PROVIDING A SAFE PLACE.
AND EVEN IF SOMEDAY THEY WERE DEVELOPED INTO RESIDENTIAL HOUSING, THEY ARE ZONED FOR LARGE, VERY LARGE LOTS.
SO YOU WOULD STILL HAVE A LOT OF TREE COVER, EVEN IF THEY WERE DEVELOPED FOR HOUSING.
AND ALL THE GOLF COURSES ARE ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE, THE TOE UNDER THE TENT THAT THIS IS WHY WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
AND THEN I THINK PETER HAS HIT ON IT.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS GOING INTO AN INDUSTRIAL ZONE AND GOING INTO SOMEPLACE THAT'S ZONED RESIDENTIAL.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO FINISH TONIGHT.
I WOULD APPRECIATE ON THAT VERY LONG LIST.
THOSE ITEMS THAT WERE TECHNICAL.
UM, CERTAINLY THINGS LIKE BATTERY LIFE AND THEIR, THEIR AREA, THEIR TIME OF, UH, FUNCTION DETERIORATION.
THOSE ARE THINGS I THINK THINK YOU COULD EMAIL BACK TO US, BECAUSE I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, WE DO NEED THE TECHNICAL ANSWERS.
YEAH, NO, THOSE YOU DON'T, WE DON'T NEED TO DISCUSS TONIGHT.
I THINK WHAT WE DO NEED, WE PROBABLY WILL NOT SIGN OFF ON THIS TONIGHT, BUT COME BACK TO IT, UH, IN TERMS OF OUR FULL RECOMMENDATION, I THINK THAT, UM, I WOULD LIKE ASK THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE C A C DO THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT THAT THEY DEFINITELY WANT TO HAVE ANSWERED TO TONIGHT? I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, TERRY, FOR JAMES.
JAMES, I, RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD IS AN IL DISTRICT AND IT CONTAINS THE SUBSTATION THAT YOU'RE LINKING WITH, UM, VIA THE, VIA THE NEW LINES.
DID YOU EVER GO TO CONED AND ASK THEM IF THEY HAD ROOM ON THEIR SITE FOR YOUR BATTERY FARM? WE DID LOOK EXTENSIVELY FOR, UH, PROPERTY ON THAT SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY.
CON EDISON IS NOT, UH, ABLE OR WILLING TO, TO LEASE PROPERTY TO A, TO A DEVELOPER.
UM, AND, AND ALSO CON EDISON IS NOT LEGALLY ALLOWED TO OWN GENERATING EQUIPMENT.
UH, SO IT WOULD BE A BIT OF A GRAY AREA WHETHER THEY RIGHT.
WOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT, UH, OR A PROFIT FROM, AND EVEN INDIRECTLY FROM, FROM GENERATING EQUIPMENT LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT, BUT WE, BUT WE DID LOOK EXTENSIVELY ON, ON THE OTHER, ON THE CONED
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SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY AND, AND WE WERE NOT ABLE TO FIND A SUITABLE SITE FOR THE PROJECT.AND, AND JUST TO PICK UP ON A POINT THAT MADAM CHAIR THAT YOU RAISED ABOUT THE, THE CONCERNS, I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT IF YOU SAW THE LAST PLANNING BOARD MEETING, YOU KNOW, WHILE THE PLANNING BOARD SEEMED TO TO BE, UH, THEY WERE LEANING TOWARDS, I GUESS A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION OF THIS PROJECT, BUT THE CHAIR, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING BOARD DID HAVE THAT CONCERN THAT YOU JUST STATED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FUTURE APPLICATIONS, UH, AND HOW TO DEAL WITH THEM WITH RESPECT TO THE NEW REALITY THAT WE'RE IN.
SO, UH, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND, AND, BUT HE KIND OF LIKE AT THE MEETING SAID THERE'S, THERE'S TWO ISSUES, IS THAT THERE'S THE PROJECT THAT WE HAVE ON THE TABLE, BUT THEN ALSO ADDRESSING YOUR LOCAL LAW AND HOW TO DEAL WITH FUTURE PROJECTS.
SO WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT AND, AND I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ON, ON THAT ISSUE.
YEAH, NO, I, I DO THINK VIEWING IT, TERRY, LET, LET ME LET, I, I, THERE'S SOMETHING I'VE GOTTA SAY, BUT I WANT TO ASK BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING ELSE THE APPLICANT WANTS TO SAY TO US.
THEN I'VE GOT SOMETHING I WANNA ADDRESS WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE CSC.
I GOT, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT THERE.
THERE WAS ONLY ONE, ONE THING I WOULD ADD ALSO BEFORE THAT, MIKE.
OH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT, UM, MR. IS CORRECT.
I WAS GONNA ACTUALLY MAKE THAT COMMENT MYSELF.
THE PLANNING BOARD AT ITS LAST MEETING DID DISCUSS, UM, THE POTENTIAL TO SEND A SEPARATE RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD RELATED TO, UH, THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND HOW IT REGULATES, UM, THESE AND OTHER TYPES OF ENER ENERGY GENERATION, UH, USES.
AND, UM, IT'S GONNA BE CONSIDERING THAT AT ITS MEETING NEXT WEEK.
I SAY SOMETHING MY, WAIT, HOLD ON.
MAY I SAY SOMETHING? I WATCHED THE, THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
I THINK THAT YOUR RESPONSE AS TO WHAT WENT ON IS CORRECT, HOWEVER, I DO NOT SEE, I SEE A GREAT CONCERN THAT IF WE PUT THE PROJECT BEFORE THE LAW, WE ARE STUCK WITH SOMETHING.
I ALSO THINK SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE RAISED, I JUST WOULD LIKE ANSWERS ON SOME OF THEM ACTUALLY DEVELOPED FROM TWO AREAS OR THREE, READING YOUR MATERIALS, READING THE NYSERDA GUIDE FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT.
AND ALSO BUILDING OFF OF SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE SORT OF HALF RAISED BY MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD AND NOT FULLY PURSUED, HAVING HAD THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING OTHER THINGS GO BEFORE US, IT SORT OF GENERATED ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT I DO THINK NEED TO BE ANSWERED.
UH, I THINK MONA FRY STARTED TO RAISE ISSUES ABOUT THE WIRES AND THEIR SAFETY, AND I THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE AGAIN, LIKE ANSWERED, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO ANSWER IT TONIGHT.
AND I DO KNOW MIKE WOULD LIKE TO TALK WITH THE CAC.
SO I THINK MAYBE AS A PLAN GOING FORWARD, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU, AGAIN, THAT YOU ANSWER THE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS VIA EMAIL.
UM, PROBABLY WILL NOT BE ISSUING ANYTHING PERMANENT ADDED TONIGHT.
AND I THINK, MARGARET, DO YOU HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION? I DO.
I DON'T KNOW WHY I I'M RAISING MY HAND.
AND I, I HEARD, UH, EVERYBODY'S HERE.
I HEARD HORN STRATA AND THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, FROM 2008, NORTH CAROLINA.
EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS HUG, WHO OWNS EAGLE STRATA.
WHO OWNS EAGLE? EAGLE OWNS STRATA.
SO WHO ARE THE EAGLE PEOPLE? WHO ARE THESE EAGLE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA RUN THIS THING? STRATA OWNS EAGLE AND EAGLE OWNS THE BATTERY.
SO STRATA WILL BE, EAGLE DOESN'T, THERE'S NO BATTERY.
EAGLE OWNS THE IDEA OF THE BATTERY.
WHO ARE THE PEOPLE? WHO ARE THE PEOPLE? WHO ARE THOSE PEOPLE? CAN YOU TELL ME? THERE'S EAGLE.
THEY WOULD BE STRATA EMPLOYEES OR, UM, OTHER, OR WE WOULD HIRE COMPANIES, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE TESLA AND IT WOULD BE THEIR EMPLOYEES WHO WOULD DO PARTS OF THE INSTALLATION.
OH, IT'S NOT EVEN, YOU'RE JUST MADE UP.
I MEAN, WE HAVE A DETAILED PLAN FOR EXACTLY WHO WE CONTRACT AND WHO WHAT WE DO IN HOUSE.
UM, A LOT OF THE WORK, WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF DOING OURSELVES.
WE HAVE WHAT'S CALLED E P C GROUP, UM, THAT INSTALLS A LOT OF OUR SOLAR FARMS. WE HAVE CREWS OUT ON THE, IN THE FIELD RIGHT NOW DOING THAT.
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SO PIECES WE'LL DO OURSELVES AND OTHER PIECES THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO DO, WE WOULD, WE WOULD PAY ANOTHER COMPANY TO DO.MIKE, I WONDERED LIKE, IS THERE, IT'S LIKE SOMEBODY IN CHARGE OF EAGLE, I MEAN, JAMES.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN CHARGE OF EAGLE OR IS IT STRATA? WHO'S IN CHARGE OF EAGLE AND IT'S JUST US SUBTERFUGE.
IS THERE SOMEBODY ELSE IN CHARGE OF EAGLE? JUST A SHELL.
THERE'S NO EAGLE HAS NO EMPLOYEES.
IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, RIGHT? I THINK THAT IS WHAT SHE'S ASKING.
SO I'VE BEEN TRYING TO JUST TALK FOR THE LAST HALF HOUR, JUST REAL QUICK, A COUPLE THINGS, UH, BUT I HAVEN'T WANTED TO INTERRUPT.
A COUPLE THINGS, A COUPLE THINGS.
YOU HAVE TO SPEAK QUIETLY, QUICKLY, SLOWLY, SLOWLY.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE A TIME CRUNCH.
UM, THE NYSERDA, I HEARD PEOPLE MENTION NYSERDA.
UM, THERE IS NYSERDA FUNDING THAT SUNSETS AT THE END OF THE YEAR, UM, WHICH DRASTICALLY IMPACTS THE PROJECT VIABILITY FOR THIS.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING, UH, I KNOW THAT OBVIOUSLY YOU, YOU ARE ALL LOOKING TO WRAP UP THIS EVENING.
WE'LL BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE EVERYTHING THROUGH EMAIL.
I DON'T KNOW, WE'RE NOT WRAPPING UP THIS EVENING.
WE'RE NOT WRAPPING UP THIS EVENING.
I SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT I SAID THAT WE WILL HAVE TO RETURN TO THIS.
WE'RE NOT WRAPPING IT UP THIS EVENING, BUT I DON'T SEE KEEPING PEOPLE HERE TO MIDNIGHT AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN REACH A CONSENSUS OR HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION.
AND THAT IS THE BIG THING IS THE INFORMATION FLOW.
I, WE CAN ALL, CAN YOU ALL OF YOU HEAR ME? OKAY.
I SAID WRAPPING UP THE MEETING? YES.
NOT WRAPPING UP ALL THE, THE I THE ITEMS. RIGHT.
UM, SO WE HAVE A FUNDING, A FUNDING ISSUE, SLOW DOWN, SLOW, THAT, THAT BECOMES SLOW DOWN.
THERE'S, THERE'S A FUNDING ISSUE AT THE END OF THE YEAR.
UM, SO WE HAVE THAT ITEM, UM, THAT WE, WE WOULD LIKE SOME CONSIDERATION WITH, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOUR NEXT MEETING IS.
WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN TRY TO ANSWER EVERYTHING VIA EMAIL IF THERE'S ANY OTHER ACCOMMODATIONS THAT YOU ALL WOULD BE, UH, ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THROUGH A SPECIAL MEETING TO TRY TO HELP ADVANCE US.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE TOWN BOARD WITH THIS AMONGST, UH, OBVIOUSLY ALL OF YOU AND ANY OF THE OTHER CIVICS GROUPS IN THE AREA.
UM, COUPLE OTHER ITEMS, JUST BRIEF TO, TO NOTE WITH THE PROJECT THAT WE, OUR PRESENTATION DIDN'T GET FULLY FINISHED.
UH, THE BIGGEST ONE, UM, I KNOW EVERYBODY HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT BENEFIT THIS PROVIDES TO EVERYBODY AS WE NOTED IT.
IT, IT CAN PROVIDE POWER TO ABOUT 5,000 HOUSES.
THIS ALSO IS ABLE TO BE PROVIDED IN THE EVENT OF A POWER OUTAGE.
UM, AND WE DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT THAT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFITS TO THAT AS IF THE GRID ITSELF IS DAMAGED IN SOME WAY, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE'S A POWER OUTAGE, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S TREES FALLING DOWN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AS LONG AS THAT'S DOESN'T OCCUR BETWEEN THE ONE OR TWO LINES THAT WE HAVE BETWEEN OUR SYSTEM AND THE CONED SYSTEM, THIS WILL PROVIDE BACKUP POWER FOR 5,000 HOMES IN THE TOWN.
UH, AND THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT BENEFITS TO, TO THAT, UH, TO THAT PORTION.
UM, OKAY, I HAVE TO STOP YOU RIGHT THERE.
IN THE LAST PROBABLY 60 YEARS, THE GRID HAS GONE DOWN IN THIS AREA THREE TIMES.
NOW ALL WE GET A LOT OF DAMAGE FROM TREES COMING DOWN ON LOCAL LINES ON YOUR STREET.
BUT THE ACTUAL GRID GOING DOWN WAS, UH, 2000.
AND I THINK THOSE ARE THE ONLY GRID ONES GOING DOWN.
I CAN REMEMBER, I COULD BE WRONG.
I MIGHT HAVE, AND EVERYBODY BOUGHT, EVERYBODY BOUGHT, UM, GENERATORS.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, OUR ISSUES ARE ISSUES IN TERMS OF POWER AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING 4,000 HOMES, THAT 4,000 HOMES, WE, WE WE'RE IN A, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TOWN THAT HAS, UM, 60,000, 40,000 RESIDENTS IN UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG, SO MM-HMM.
BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
SORRY, ALL, I HADN'T STOPPED ON THAT ONE.
SO I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOU GUYS WANNA, UM, YOU KNOW, END THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING.
UH, WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN ANSWER ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS VIA EMAIL AND WE WILL, WE WILL DO THAT.
CAN WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY THAT POSSIBLY TO, TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING? I KNOW THAT OUR DECEMBER 10TH MEETING IS A VERY FULL MEETING.
WE'RE A VERY BIG PROJECT COMING IN, UM, COMING.
I SYMPATHIZE THAT YOU HAVE, UM, ISSUES IN TERMS OF FUNDING POSSIBLY DISAPPEARING
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OR HAVING TO REAPPLY FOR FUNDING IN 2021, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT CAN BE AN IMPEDIMENT TO OUR DOING ALLERGY SERVICE ON REVIEWING THE PROJECT.I MEAN, THAT IS AN ISSUE OF YOUR COMPANY AND IT'S A BUSINESS ISSUE FOR YOU FOLKS.
SO, WELL, I MAY, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY FEEL, FEEL FOR YOU? I CAN'T, IN ALL HONESTY, SAY IT HAS TO BE A FACTOR FOR US TO CONSIDER WHEN TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION.
THE DECISION HAS TO BE BASED ON THE MATERIALS BEFORE US IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE TOWN.
AND I THANK YOU FOR HAVING SPENT A LOT OF TIME TONIGHT AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE ADDITIONAL MATERIALS YOU'RE GOING TO SEND US.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE, FOR THE FOLKS FROM EAGLE? NO.
AND IF WE, IF WE DECIDE TO SEND US, IF WE DECIDE TO CONVENE A SPECIAL MEETING, UM, BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING, UM, I GUESS AARON WILL NOTIFY THE APPLICANTS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
DON'T YOU HATE THE ONE YOU HAVE, TELL PEOPLE YOU MUTED? I WOULD JUST SAY, UM, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN MAKE IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MEETING SCHEDULE.
I DON'T KNOW BEN, BUT, UM, I'LL TRY.
WE WE'VE GOT ONE MORE THING, TERRY, TO DISCUSS.
SO YEAH, WE DO WITH OUR, YEAH, YEAH.
LET'S DO, DO YOU WANNA TALK IT WITH, WITH, WITH YOU? I MEAN, WE CAN, CAN WE LET THE, THE, THE APPLICANT GO BEFORE WE TALK, BUT WE JUST TALK AMONG OURSELVES? WE'RE WELCOME.
THANK, THANK, THANK YOU FOR, UM, FOR, YEAH, YEAH, THANK YOU.
AND WE UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE FUNDING ISSUE, BUT ALL, ALL WE ASK MADAM CHAIR IS, WELL, I, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT IN WHAT YOU SAID, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU CAN, UH, GIVE US SOME CONSIDERATION, UH, WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
THAT'S REALLY ALL, WE CERTAINLY WILL TRY.
AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR, AND YOUR EXCELLENT QUESTIONS AND, UH, WE HOPE TO SEE YOU BACK, UH, SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
CAC MEMBERS DO NOT GO ANYWHERE.
AARON, CAN YOU PAUSE, STAY SURE.
UH, AS I, I SPENT A HELL OF A LOT OF TIME READING THIS STUFF TODAY.
AND WHICH STUFF? WHICH STUFF? THE, UM, EAGLE STORAGE STUFF.
SO IF I MAY ONE, JUST FOR ONE SECOND, I'M SORRY.
THERE'S ONE OTHER, I TURNED OVER THE HOST DUTIES TO TERRY AND THERE IS ONE OTHER, UM, PERSON WHO'S BEEN LIKE TRYING TO CONNECT AUDIO FOR THE LAST HOUR.
UM, TERRY, WHAT YOU CAN DO IS IF YOU HOVER YOUR CURSOR OVER THAT PERSON'S NAME THERE, THERE SHOULD BE A LITTLE BOX THAT COMES UP WITH THREE DOTS.
I THINK IT GIVES YOU AN OPTION TO PUT THAT PERSON IN THE WAITING ROOM, OR JUST LET THEM IN, WHOEVER IT IS.
WHO IS IT? I I TRIED IT AS AN IN BEFORE.
I THINK IT, IT'S EITHER SOMEONE THAT WAS UNABLE TO CONNECT, UM, TO, WAS AFFILIATED WITH.
I JUST PUT THEM IN THE WAITING.
DONNA IS TRYING TO FIX HER HAIR.
SHE DOESN'T KNOW LIKE, WHO'S COMING.
SO THEY'RE IN THE WAITING ROOM NOW.
THEY DISAPPEAR, RIGHT? THEY'RE IN THE WAITING ROOM.
LIKE, WHO DO, THAT'S JUST FINE.
THAT JUST MEANS, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THAT PERSON CAME ONLINE, LET'S TRY.
YOU WERE HAVING, YOU KNOW, A CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, NOW WE GOTTA LET THE PUBLIC IN.
I, I'D LIKE TO, I STARTED MAKING SOME NOTES AND THEN MY NOTES BECAME, JUST SO YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHO CAN READ YOUR, WHO CAN READ YOUR HANDWRITING? I, I STARTED THEN I JUST PULLED OUT THE IPAD AND STARTED DRAFTING SOMETHING.
UH, BUT I, I DIDN'T WANNA SEND IT OUT BECAUSE I WANTED HEAR WHAT THE APPLICANT'S SAID, BUT BASICALLY WHAT THE APPLICANT SAID WAS WORSE THAN I THOUGHT.
I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA, I THOUGHT THIS WAS GONNA BE LIKE AN EASY THING.
I, I, YOU KNOW, SO, SO I, I PETER'S RAISING SOME QUESTIONS AND MORTGAGE RACING QUESTIONS.
SO AT THAT PART OF IT, I'LL JUST ADD INTO IT.
BUT THE REASON FOR DOING THIS IS THIS IS GOING TO THE PLANNING BOARD ON WEDNESDAY.
THEY WILL PROBABLY MAKE A WEDNESDAY.
THEY'RE GONNA PASS IT, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO GET SOMETHING TOMORROW.
UH, AARON NEEDS THIS STUFF BY ONE O'CLOCK TOMORROW TO GO INTO THE WHY DO YOU HAVE IN MIND TO THE PACKAGE FOR THE PLANNING BOARD? SO HERE'S A DRAFT OF WHAT I'M PROPOSING AND, UM, IF IT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THE GROUP, YOU, UH, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS TO GET IT TO ERIN BY ONE TOMORROW.
BUT, UH, AND IT, HERE IT GOES.
IT'S TO THE PLANNING BOARD FROM C A C RAY EAGLE ENERGY, BAT BATTERY, ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM, AND NORWOOD
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COUNTRY CLUB.THIS PROJECT, AT LEAST 1.6 ACRES FROM THE NORWOOD COUNTRY CLUB TO CONSTRUCT AND OPERATED BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM BEST WAS FIRST PRESENTED TO THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 13TH.
THE PROJECT IS IN A ARTHUR 12TH.
WHAT? LISTEN, LET HIM GO NOVEMBER 12TH, RIGHT? WELL, OKAY.
THIS PROJECT IS IN A ARTHUR 31 FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT AND INVOLVES ONE, A SPECIAL PERMIT AND AMENDED SITE PLAN FOR THE TOWN BOARD, WHICH IS BEING REFERRED TO THE PLANNING BOARDS OF RECOMMENDATION TWO, A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND THREE, A PLANNING BOARD WETLANDS WATERCOURSE PERMIT.
THE FACTORY CONSISTS OF SELF-CONTAINED PRE-MANUFACTURED CABINETS, WHICH CONNECTED TO THE CONCENT GRID BY COMBINATION OF UNDERGROUND CABLES, 8.2 KILOWATT OVERHEAD POWER LINES.
THE CABINETS ARE ANCHORED TO CONCRETE FOUNDATIONS.
THE CABINETS ARE NOT HOUSED IN THE STRUCTURE.
A RENDERING IS SHOWN ON PAGE TWO OF APPENDIX A TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM, DATED DATA, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
THE FACILITY WILL RECEIVE ENERGY FROM THE CONED GRID AND STORE IT ON SITE UNTIL IT'S TRANSFERRED BACK TO THE CONED GRID.
APPLICANT'S COUNSEL IN RESPONSE TO A C S E QUESTION, DESCRIBE THE APPLICANT'S BUSINESS AS ARBITRAGING ENERGY.
APPLICANT STATED THAT THE APPLICANT'S A PUBLIC UTILITY UNDER NEW YORK LAW.
WELL, THAT SEEMS TO BE QUESTIONABLE SINCE IT IS NOT GOVERNMENTALLY REGULATED AND SINCE ITS ACTIVITIES OF ARBITRAGE ARE NOT NECESSARY TO THE PROVIDING OF PUBLIC SERVICE.
THEY'RE NOT A PUBLIC UTILITY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REGULATED BY THE GOVERNMENT.
AND, UM, THEY'RE NOT AND THEY'RE NOT NECESSARY.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE.
CAN I JUST SAY SOMETHING RIGHT NOW? I JUST GOT A THING ON MY SCREEN THAT MY BATTERY IS RUNNING LOW, SO I MAY DISAPPEAR.
I HAVE TO GO RUN, GET THE PLUG.
APPLICANT'S COUNSEL STATED THE FACILITIES A STORAGE PROJECT AND WE'LL LOOK SIMILAR TO A SHIPPING CONTAINER ON THE SITE.
THE FAMILY DISTRICT ALLOWS BY SPECIAL PERMIT UTILITY STRUCTURES EXCLUDING STORAGE YARDS AND ELECTRIC SUBSTATIONS.
SO WE WERE TOLD BY THE APPLICANT IS A STORAGE PROJECT AND IT LOOKS LIKE DIFFERENT CONTAINER.
IT DOES, YOU KNOW, IN THE LIGHT OF THE PLANNING BOARD BEING SCHEDULED TO ADDRESS THIS PROJECT AT ITS NEXT MEETING, NOVEMBER 18TH, WANTED TO PROVIDE THE PLANNING BOARD A PRELIMINARY REPORT FOR THIS RECOMMENDATIONS AT THIS POINT ON ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.
AND THERE ARE TWO SUBHEADINGS.
ONE IS SPECIAL PERMIT, ONE IS WETLAND OR WATERCOURSE PERMIT.
AND THEN THERE'S, I MOVE YOUR CAMERA SO I CAN SEE YOUR WHOLE FACE.
ZONING CODE, BLAH, BLAH BLAH, PROVIDES THAT IN GRANTING A SPECIAL PERMIT IN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE, THE TOWN BOARD MAY IMPOSE QUOTE, SUCH CONDITIONS AS THE TOWN BOARD MAY DE APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROTECTION OF ADJOINING USES AND OF THE CHARACTER OF THE GIVING DISTRICT.
THEN UNDER THAT GOT RECOM RECOMMISSIONING AND SITE STORAGE.
THE NEW YORK BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM GUIDE FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ISSUED OCTOBER 20 BY SERTA RECOMMENDS THE B E SS S APPLICANTS BE REQUIRED TO POST A BOND LETTER OF CREDIT OR SECURITY PAYABLE TO THE MUNICIPALITY IN ORDER TO RECOVER REMOVAL OF BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM CABINETS, COMPONENTS, EQUIPMENT, SECURITY BLANKETS, AND OVERHEAD POWER LINES FROM THE SITE DISPOSAL OF SOLID AND HAS THIS WASTE IN ACCORDANCE WITH LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL LAW,
IN THE EVENT THE APPLICANT IS FINANCIALLY UNABLE TO DO SO OR MANAGE THE PROJECT, WHICH HAS DEFERRED, WHICH ASSERT DEFINES AS CEASING TO OPERATE THE SYSTEM FOR MORE THAN ONE YEAR.
APPLICANT'S PARENTS STATED IT IS WILLING TO GIVE SOME LEVEL OF COMFORT TO COVER DECOMMISSIONING HAPPENING PROP PROPERLY, SUCH AS, WAIT, WAIT, SAY THAT AGAIN.
APPLICANT'S PARENT STATED THAT IT IS WILLING TO GIVE SOME LEVEL OF COMFORT TO COVER DECOMMISSIONING HAPPENING PROPERLY SUBJECT TO IT SUCH AS A DECOMMISSIONING BOND THAT THIS, THIS APPLICANT THAT WE JUST TALKED TO.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT HE SAID AT THE END.
I MEAN, NOW WE'RE STANDING WITH THE LAWYER SAID, WHY YOU ASKING THESE QUESTIONS? HE UNDERSTOOD PERFECTLY WHY, WHY WE'RE ASKING THESE QUESTIONS.
ADDITIONALLY, ERDA RECOMMENDS THAT THE AGGREGATE NOISE LEVEL FROM THE SYSTEM AND ALL ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT NOT EXCEED 60 DECIBELS MEASURED AT THE NEAREST OCCUPIED BUILDING IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE TOWN'S ENVIRONMENT AND ITS RESIDENTS.
THE C A C RECOMMENDS ANY SPECIAL PERMIT GIVEN TO A B
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E S S APPLICANT CONTAINED ONE, THE REQUIREMENT FOR FINANCIAL SECURITY FOR DECOMMISSIONING AND SITE RESTORATION COSTS.AND TWO, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT.
HUH? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT.
I DON'T WHAT YOU SAYING I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE FINANCIAL SECURITY FOR OUR COMMISSION HAS EVERYTHING MARGARET NANCY'S ASKING FOR THIS.
LEMME READ IT AGAIN, MARGARET.
IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE TOWN'S ENVIRONMENT AND ITS RESIDENCE, THE C A C RECOMMENDS ANY SPECIAL PERMIT GIVEN TO A B E S S APPLICANT CONTAINED, ONE, THE REQUIREMENT FOR FINANCIAL SECURITY FOR DECOMMISSIONING AND SITE RESTORATION COSTS, AND TWO, THE CONDITION THAT THE NOISE LEVEL FROM THE PROJECT NOT EXCEEDS 60 DECIMALS MEASURED AT THE NEAREST OCCUPIED BUILDING.
THE REASON FOR DOING THESE THINGS IS IT'LL PROBABLY GET APPROVED NEXT WEDNESDAY.
SO THAT'S WHY I HAVE TO MAKE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS TOMORROW, WHICH ERIN NEEDS BY ONE O'CLOCK TOO.
WAIT, YOU WANNA GET, YOU WANNA GET THIS THROUGH, YOU WANNA GET THIS THROUGH, BUT MIKE, LET ME ASK YOU ONE THING.
SHOULDN'T WE SAY SOMETHING IN OUR, IN OUR, IN OUR, UH, RECOMMEND IN OUR LETTER OR WHATEVER IT IS ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS SHOULDN'T EVEN BE CONSIDERED BECAUSE THERE'S, I IT'S UNCONVINCING THAT THEY'RE REALLY A, A PUBLIC UTILITY.
THIS SHOULD NEED TO BE, MAN, LEMME GET THROUGH THAT.
LET, LET'S, LET'S GET, I'VE GOT A
I THOUGHT YOU WERE DONE WETLAND WATERCOURSE.
THE PROJECT INVOLVES DISTURBANCE OF APPROXIMATELY 40% OF THE WETLAND BUFFER.
THIS PORTION OF THE BUFFER HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY DISTURBED TENNIS COURT, AN OVERFLOW PARKING LOT, THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND CONSERVATION SEATING, AND C HAS ADVISED THE C A C THAT APPLICANT SHOULD INSTALL A MULTI-TIERED PLANTING SCHEME OF NATIVE SHRUBS, OF NATIVE TREES, SHRUBS, AND GROUND COVER.
AND THE NORMAL COURSE THE C A C WOULD REQUEST THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE, TO PROVIDE A REVISED PLANTING PLAN TO IT AND THE C D N C AT THE NEXT C A C MEETING IN TWO WEEKS.
BUT THAT MAY MAY NOT BE PRACTICABLE HERE IF THE PLANNING BOARD ACTS ON THIS PROJECT ON NOVEMBER 18.
THUS, THE C A C RECOMMENDS THAT THE WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT BE CONDITIONED UPON A, THE 19 C, D AND C RECOMMENDATION IN THIS NOVEMBER 6TH REPORT TO THE C A C AND B APPLICANT PRESENTING A REVISED PLANTING PLAN TO THE C A C AND C D N C FOR REVIEW AND ANALYSIS.
AND UPON THE SIGN OFF BY THE C A C AND C D N C, THE PLANTING PLAN IS SATISFACTORY THE PROJECT, THE PROJECT ALSO INVOLVES BRINGING INTO THE SITE 1000 CUBIC YARDS OF IMPORTED FIELD.
IN RESPONSE TO C A C INQUIRY, APPLICANT STATED THAT THE IS SUCH THAT THE I IMPORTED FIELD IS AT A HIGHER ELEVATION THAN THE WETLANDS.
THE C A C ALSO RECOMMENDS THAT THE WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT BE CONDITIONED UPON THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE C D N C BE SATISFIED THAT THE I FUEL DOES NOT CONTAIN SUBSTANCES WHICH POTENTIALLY ARE HARMFUL TO THE WETLANDS, WHICH IS A PROTECTING NATURAL RESOURCE UNDER THE TOWN CODE.
THEN WE GET INTO THE ISSUE THAT YOU START THAT THIS, AND THIS IS NOT WELL DONE YET.
MAYBE THE REST OF IT'S NOT WELL DONE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THIS IS LESS WELL DONE.
OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, THE C A C RAISED A NUMBER OF OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES WITH THE APPLICANT.
THESE REQUIRE MORE STUDY AND ANALYSIS AND THE C A C MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL COMMENTS AS NOTED ABOVE.
THE C A C WANT TO PROVIDE THE PLANNING BOARD WITH A PRELIMINARY REPORT WITH ENVIRONMENTAL RECOMMENDATIONS AT THIS POINT TO DOVETAIL WITH THE PLANNING BOARD'S NOVEMBER 18TH MEETING.
IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NEXT WEEK.
WELL, OKAY, THERE'S THE PIECE MISSING HERE.
WHEN THE PLANNING BOARD LOOKED AT THIS, THE DECOMMISSIONING NEVER CAME UP.
SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT SOMETHING GO OUT THAT TALKS ABOUT THE DECOMMISSIONING BECAUSE OTHERWISE THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, MIKE FOUND THIS NICE SERTA THING AND YOU START TO READ IT WHEN THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THEY STRESS THE COURSE.
YEAH, AND OF COURSE ONE OF THE THINGS A ANY OF US, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU SAY, WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IN THE END? SO I THINK WHAT MIKE WOULD LIKE US TO DO IS TO SEND IT IN.
I HAVE A DEER, I HAVE A DEAR FRIEND THAT WORKS FOR NYSERDA AND HE WAS VERY DISTURBED THAT IT WOULD BE DOWN SLOPE AND THERE WOULD BE WATER.
UM, AND THE LITHIUM WOULD GO IN TO THE WATER SOURCE.
I JUST, I GOTTA SAY, AND, UM, GO, GO TERRY.
OKAY, SO MIKE WOULD LIKE TO GET THIS OUT SO IT GOES OUT IN THE PACKETS TOMORROW TO THE
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PLANNING BOARD.SO WE HAVE A BIT OF A TIME CRUNCH.
THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO END THE MEETING ASIDE FROM THE FACT WE'RE ALL READY TO EAT THE PAPER IN FRONT OF US.
UM, SO I'VE GIVEN UP TAKING NOTES, BY THE WAY,
SO AT ANY RATE, WHAT MIKE WOULD LIKE US TO DO IS HE'S GONNA SEND THIS OUT.
HE'S GONNA, HE'S GONNA GET OFF WITH US.
HE'S GONNA BE KIND OF CLEAN IT UP, SEND IT OUT, AND WHAT HE'D LIKE US TO DO IS TO READ IT EITHER LATE TONIGHT, DEPENDS ON WHETHER YOU'RE A NIGHT PERSON OR A MORNING PERSON.
READ IT, MAKE ANY COMMENTS, GET THEM TO HIM BY 10 O'CLOCK TOMORROW MORNING BECAUSE HE HAS TO LEAVE HIS POEM BY NOON AND WE HAVE TO GET A FINAL COPY TO AARON SO HE CAN PUT IT IN THE PACKETS.
SO, SO, SO DOING IT THIS WAY DOESN'T PRECLUDE US FROM RAISING OTHER ISSUES.
NO, WE, THAT'S THAT LAST SENTENCE BECAUSE OH, BUT STILL, BECAUSE LET ME, WE HAVEN'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANSWERS TO ANY OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAD TO DO WITH TECHNICAL STUFF.
AND I WILL SAY, WELL, BUT IT'S NOT JUST TECHNICAL.
I, I MEAN, OH, IT'S ALSO THE ISSUE OF WHETHER THIS IS A UTILITY.
SO I THINK THERE ARE ISSUES, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY OUTSIDE, OUTSIDE OF OUR NORMAL PURVIEW WITHOUT, SORRY, OUTSIDE OF OUR NORMAL PURVIEW, RIGHT.
WE HAVE QUESTIONS AND THEY HAVE TO ANSWER.
TERRY, GO AHEAD AS YOU SUGGEST TO GET THE DRAFT.
WE'LL COMMENT ON IT, WE'LL GET IT OUT AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON FROM THERE.
I THINK THAT'S, THANK YOU SHARON.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S OUR BEST HOPE OF AT LEAST DOING SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT.
'CAUSE THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS THIS DECOMMISSIONING AND RIGHT NOW THE PLANNING BOARD HAD NOT CONSIDERED DECOMMISSIONING WELL ALSO OVER THERE, I JUST WANTED TO RAISE, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO RAISE THREE, THREE POINTS IF I COULD.
SO, UM, ONE IS, ONE IS THAT, UM, I, I WAS ASKED, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE PACKETS GO OUT TO THE PLANNING BOARD NOW I JUST, AND, AND THAT IS TOMORROW, SHORTLY AFTER ONE O'CLOCK.
WHAT I WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW IS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD ALSO GETS AN EMAIL EMAILED PACKAGE, AND I CAN DO THAT LATER IN THE DAY, WHICH COULD BUY YOU A FEW HOURS IF YOU NEED IT.
UM, SO IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY, IT WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE HARD COPY PACKAGE, BUT IT WOULD BE SENT BY EMAIL AND I CAN, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN BE DONE ALSO IF FOR ANY REASON, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU COULDN'T GET IT DONE FOR TOMORROW.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE PLANNING BOARD'S JUST NOT GONNA LOOK AT WHATEVER YOU SEND IT.
SO AS LONG AS IT'S IN BEFORE THE MEETING ON WEDNESDAY, IT WILL GET SENT TO THEM DIRECTLY FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO THEM CONSIDERING ANY RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THE REFERRAL.
AND, AND THAT'S MY SECOND POINT, WHICH IS THE PLANNING BOARD WON'T BE MAKING ANY DECISIONS ON THE PROJECT ITSELF NEXT WEDNESDAY, THE PROJECT RIGHT.
THE WELL, MARGARET, LET, LET US HEAR FROM ERIN.
RIGHT, SO THE PLANNING BOARD, WHAT IT, WHAT I ANTICIPATE THE PLANNING BOARD DOING IS ISSUING ITS RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THE AMENDED SITE PLAN REFERRAL.
I ANTICIPATE THEM DOING THAT ON WEDNESDAY AS OF RIGHT NOW.
I ALSO ANTICIPATE THEM, AS I SAID BEFORE, SENDING A SEPARATE RECOMMENDATION RELATED TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE NEED TO PROPERLY IN THEIR, YOU KNOW, IN THEIR ESTIMATION REGULATE THESE AND OTHER SIMILAR TYPE USES.
SO I WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA MAKE ANY DECISION ON THE WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT NEXT WEDNESDAY.
THEY HAVEN'T EVEN HAD A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT YET, AND THEY WON'T DO THAT UNTIL SOMETIME PROBABLY, UM, AT THE EARLIEST THE FIRST WEEK IN DECEMBER, BUT MORE LIKELY PROBABLY NOT UNTIL THE NEW YEAR.
SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
UM, LASTLY, I JUST WANTED TO LET PETER KNOW THAT WE DO RECORD THE MEETING.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOUR HAND STARTS FALLING OFF AND YOU NEED TO REFER BACK TO THE VIDEO TAPE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET YOU A LINK SO THAT YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, LISTEN TO IT.
IF I NEEDED A, IF I THINK I NEEDED AARON, I'LL CONTACT, WE DO THE SAME THING IN OUR OFFICE WITH THE PLANNING BOARD.
I THINK, LET ME RAISE THIS QUESTION THEN.
DO YOU, DO YOU WANT TO GUYS AIM TO SEND THIS OUT ON MONDAY AND WE HAVE THE WHOLE WEEKEND
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TO WORK ON IT? OR DO YOU WANT TO TRY TO GET THE HARD COPY INTO THE PACKAGE IF WE WANT? I JUST SAY GET THE HARD COPY IN THE PACKET, MIKE, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S MUCH MORE WE CAN ADD AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, UNLESS YOU WANNA ADDRESS MORE IN, IN IT MORE, MORE THE WHOLE IDEA THAT SHOULD THIS BE GOING FORWARD BECAUSE IT ISN'T REALLY A PUBLIC UTILITY.I, I KNOW ENOUGH FROM WHAT PETER SAID, UH, AND I KNOW ENOUGH WHAT MORTGAGE SAID TO DO IT.
RIGHT? THAT'S, HOW IS YOUR TIME SCHEDULED FOR TOMORROW? WHAT YOU MEAN? I THOUGHT YOU NEEDED TO BE DONE BY A CERTAIN TIME.
I NEED TO LEAVE, I NEED TO GET IN THE CAR AT NOON.
SO I NEED COMMENTS AT 10:00 AM BECAUSE I, I CAN'T GET THE COMMENTS AT FIVE MINUTES NOON AND LEAVE AT NOON.
MIKE, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SAY, DO YOU HAVE MY CARP BLANCHE? I CAN'T.
UH, I GOT, I'M SO PACKED TOMORROW UNTIL LIKE FOUR.
WELL, THAT, THAT'S REALLY THE QUESTION.
DO WE WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE MORE TIME TO LOOK AT IT? NO, I CAN DO IT.
I, I'M GOING TO EAT SOMETHING NOW AND THEN I'M GONNA WORK TILL ME TOO, BUT THEN I'M GO TO BED, I EAT AND GO TO, IT'S TERRIBLE.
YOU ARE EATING, GOING TO THE LOOK AT ME.
I'M SO FAT AFTER EAT AND GO TO BED.
BUT DO YOU WANNA PUT IT IN THE PACKAGE? I, I'M, I'LL STAY UP AND DO IT.
TERRY, WHAT DO YOU WANT ME, WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO DO? BUT I GOTTA HAVE YOUR COMMENTS BY TEAM.
I, I THINK WHAT I WANT, I THINK, I THINK WHAT IS SHOULD BE DONE IS MIKE HAS ASKED A QUESTION, SO I THINK IT'S SHARON, PETER, YOU, DONNA? I CAN, I CAN READ IT WHENEVER YOU SEND IT, MIKE, WHAT'S THE QUESTION? IS, IS, WELL, I THINK THE QUESTION IS IF YOU HAVE CHANGES, DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT MIKE WRITES? THAT YOU WANT HIM TO WAIT RATHER THAN GETTING, YOU KNOW, I SEE COMMENTS BY 10 TOMORROW.
I MEAN, I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH THERE I WOULD CHANGE IN WHAT HE HAS WRITTEN AND GOD LOVE HIM FOR DRAFTING IT AHEAD OF TIME.
SO I THINK THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, MANY OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE OUTSTANDING ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO COMMENT ON, BUT WE DO HAVE A, A CAVEAT SENTENCE IN THERE SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MORE TO SAY.
SO THE QUESTION IS FOR THE FOUR OF YOU, DO YOU FEEL YOU WANT MIKE TO DELAY THIS BEYOND MIDDAY TOMORROW? AND COULD YOU GET ANY READ COMMENTS ON READING IT TO HIM BY 10 O'CLOCK TOMORROW? SO MIKE, I COULD GET COMMENTS TO YOU, UM, BY SEVEN O'CLOCK TOMORROW, BUT FRANKLY IF YOU TELL ME THAT YOU'RE GOING TO INCLUDE SOMETHING ABOUT, UM, QUESTIONING THE BASIC PREMISE OF HAVING, OF THIS APPLICATION JUST FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT.
I JUST WANT, I'M JUST HOPING THAT WE CAN GET THAT IN THERE.
YEAH, I, I CAN GET IN EASILY ENOUGH.
UM, UM, OKAY, SO YOU HAVE MY CARTE BLANCHE ALSO THEN.
WELL SHARON, AND THE ONLY THING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ADDED IS MARGARET'S FRIEND'S CONCERN ABOUT THE LEAKING OF, I I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE BATTERIES LEAKING THE LITHIUM ION.
UH, WE WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO QUOTE SOMEONE WHO WAS QUOTED BY SOMEONE.
I'M NOT, WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.
THAT'S WHY WE HAD THAT SENTENCE IN THERE THAT WE HAVE MORE.
I JUST WANTED FINISH SPEAKING.
OH, SHARON, GO SAY I, THIS IS A, THIS IS A CONCERN THAT I WAS GOING TO RAISE IS THAT THERE COULD BE LEAKAGE INTO THE GROUNDWATER AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS, IT WAS OUR CONCERN.
I'LL MENTION THAT AS ONE OF THE LEAKAGE INTO THE GROUNDWATER IS SOMETHING I WILL MENTION AS AN EXAMPLE OF FUTURE ISSUES WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT.
I, I WILL PUT THAT AND HERE'S SOME IN SOME OF THE EXAMPLES OR, YOU KNOW, UM, TAKE A LOOK AT IT IN THE MORNING FOR MY OWN SATISFACTION.
SO THERE, OKAY, DONNA, CAN YOU HAVE ANY CHANCE YOU CAN LOOK AT TOMORROW MORNING FOR YOU? UH, DONNA, DONNA HASN'T SAID ANYTHING.
YES, I CAN LOOK AT IT IN THE MORNING.
AND SO THEN I THINK WE AGREED THE WHEN TO GOING FORWARD IS MIKE WILL FINISH THIS UP TONIGHT, SEND IT OUT AND WE'LL GET BACK TO HIM BY 10 O'CLOCK TOMORROW MORNING.
NOW ONE, AND THEN WE'LL SEND IT ON BEFORE WE DO THIS, AARON, DID YOU HEAR WHAT I READ? I DID.
IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG IN THAT?
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UH, NOT THAT I HEARD, NO.AND, UH, IN FACT I THOUGHT IT WAS QUITE WELL WRITTEN AND I APPRECIATE THE CA'S TIME SPENT ON THIS MATTER AND THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED.
I DID WANT TO ADD ONE OTHER PIECE OF INFORMATION JUST FOR THE CA'S INFORMATION, THE PLANNING BOARD AND, AND THIS WAS GONNA BE ONE OF MY POINTS, UH, FIVE MINUTES AGO, BUT I HAD FORGOTTEN MOMENTARILY
UM, THE, THE, THE, YEAH, I'M, I'M, I'M FAIRLY TIRED.
UM, THE PLANNING BOARD WAS SIMILARLY CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROJECT MET THE EXISTING TOWN ZONE ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION RELATED TO SPECIAL PERMIT.
WHICH ONE? THE ENERGY PUBLIC UTILITIES FOR PUBLIC UTILITIES.
IT ASKED, SO I HAD NOTED, AND THIS WAS AT THE MEETING THAT, UH, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR HAD OPINED THAT IT DOES MEET THAT SECTION.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD ASKED FOR CONFIRMATION OF THIS IN WRITING, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR INTERPRETS THE CODE, AND THAT'S WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD WAS ASKING, UM, IN, IN HIS, YOU KNOW, IN INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE.
DOES THIS APPLICATION MEET THE CRITERIA FOR FILING A SPECIAL PERMIT UNDER THIS CODE SECTION? WE DID RECEIVE THAT, UH, INTERPRETATION THIS AFTERNOON, AND THAT WILL BE GOING IN THE PACKAGE.
SO I JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO BE AWARE OF IT.
WHETHER IS THAT, IS, IS THAT, CAN YOU SEND US A COPY? I'LL CONFIRM WITH GARRETT, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S PART OF THE FILE, SO I WILL FORWARD IT FIRST THING IN THE MORNING UPON, BECAUSE, BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF AWKWARD.
IT'S AWKWARD, BUT I I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A PRIVILEGED DOCUMENT.
UM, I CAN TEXT GARRETT RIGHT NOW IF YOU THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, BUT PETER, PETER, HOW DO WE HANDLE THIS, PETER? IF, IF, IF, IF THE TOWN SAYS THEY CAN DO THIS, WHAT ARE WE DOING? I THINK WE JUST ASK FOR THE TOWN TO EXPLAIN TO US HOW WHEN THE PLAIN LANGUAGE SAYS IT HAS TO BE REGULATED BY THE GOVERNMENT AND IT'S NOT HOW IT MEETS THE DEFINITION.
I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR, UH, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT TONIGHT.
YOU GIMME, GIMME, GIMME ONE MORE THING I'M TAKING OFF, MIKE.
I CAN STAY ON WITH YOU IF YOU WANT.
I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND, I GOTTA GO, GO WORK TO DO THIS, BUT HOW IN THE HELL DO WE TIE THIS TO THE ENVIRONMENT? WHATEVER.
JUST IT CAN JUST IT DOES MIKE.
IT DOES BECAUSE IT SETS A PRECEDENT FOR THE USE OF THIS LAND, LAND CURRENTLY WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO HAVE, UM, AFFECTED AND IT COULD SET A PRECEDENT FOR ALL OF OUR GOLF COURSES TO BECOME SOLAR FARMS AND, AND BATTERY FARMS. AND WE'D LOSE ALL THAT GREEN SPACE AND GOT, GOT, GOT ZONED OFF 30.
EVEN WITH A BIG HOUSE ON A NORTH 30 LOT, THERE'S STILL GONNA BE A LOT OF TREES.
FIND YOUR TEETH THAT, THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH.
I JUST WANT, JUST NEED A NEXUS.
GOING, I GUESS YOU'RE GOING MIKE, UM, UH, I TEXTED GARRETT.
IF I HEAR BACK FROM HIM BEFORE I BASICALLY SHUT DOWN FOR THE NIGHT.
I TEND TO THINK I CAN, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A PRIVILEGED DOCUMENT.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S PART OF THE FILE, SO YOU CAN EXPECT TO GET IT FROM ME.
WELL IF YOU, IF YOU, AND THAT'S GREAT.
IF YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND.
IF NOT, IT WOULD BE FIRST THING IN THE MORNING, BUT I'M GONNA TRY AND DO IT FOR TONIGHT SINCE SPENDING THE TIME.
THIS WAS, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA HAVE GOOD NIGHT.
I'M GONNA SEND YOU A COPY OF WHAT I SEND OUT.
HOPEFULLY YOU'RE IN BED OR SLEEP, BUT IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO READ IT OR WHEN YOU GET UP EARLY AFTER KIDS, YOU KNOW, GO GET OFF TO SCHOOL OR DO OR GET ON THE ZOOMS FOR SCHOOL OR WHATEVER, IF THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS PROJECT WE DO, THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG STEP WE'RE TAKING AND WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A HELL OF A LOT OF DOCUMENTS TO READ.
THEY'RE VERY TECHNICAL, THEY'RE VERY, I MEAN, THEY WELL WRITTEN, BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO ABSORB THIS AND, YOU KNOW, WITH A LOT OF OPEN QUESTIONS.
SO I I WE DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING THAT WE SAY, ANYTHING THAT'S WRONG,
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YOU KNOW? SO IF YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT'S WRONG, JUST LET US KNOW.WHAT THE ONE THING THAT I MIKE ABOUT WHO SAYS WHETHER OR NOT THIS LAW, THEIR PUBLIC UTILITY, IT, THEY'RE SAYING THAT THE LORD THAT TIM LEWIS TOLD THEM IT WAS, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE NO CONCERNS ABOUT IT, ABOUT QUESTIONING SOMEONE'S DECISION.
IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT IT'S PERFECTLY FAIR TO QUESTION SOMEONE'S DECISION OF WHAT IT IS AND AN INTERPRETATION OF THE LAW.
UH, IT'S ALL BUT AS LONG AS WE HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL NEXUS, RIGHT, WHICH WE DO IN TERMS OF WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH ALL THIS OPEN SPACE.
OKAY? SO, SO LOOK AT WHAT I WRITE BECAUSE IT AIN'T GONNA BE THE BEST I EVER DID BECAUSE I'M REALLY TIRED AND I HAVEN'T EATEN
CAN YOU ONE, LOOK, LOOK AT WHAT, LOOK AT WHAT I DO AND, AND GIVE YOUR COMMENTS ON IT AND WE'LL FIX IT.
AARON, YOU GONNA END THE MEETING? YOU THERE TO END IT? I AM, I WILL, I WILL END THE RECORDING AND THEN END THE MEETING.