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UM, WELL, I DON'T CARE.I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ON MY SCREEN EXCEPT MYSELF, SO IF YOU WANNA PUNCH ME IN SO PEOPLE CAN SEE FINE.
UM, I'D LIKE TO DO THE ROLL CALL BILL
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HERE, CORRECT HERE MYSELF.UM, AND THAT'S TRYING TO COME IN.
UM, I KNOW THAT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE WE HAVE LOUISE AND WE HAVE DIANA.
SO I WILL, UM, I NEED THE FOUR OF YOU SO THAT I CAN'T APPROVE THE MINUTES, BUT I CAN GIVE YOU SOME PIECES OF INFORMATION.
UM, I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM FRANCIS STERN OF THE NEW YORK STATE PARKS RECREATION AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AND ON DECEMBER 3RD, FIRST THROUGH THIRD, THERE IS A SEMINAR AND IT HAS TO DO WITH THE C L G STATUS THAT GREENBERG HOLDS, WHICH IS THE CERTIFIED LAND GRANT.
AND AT LEAST ONE REPRESENTATIVE, IF I UNDERSTOOD WHAT SHE SENT ME, CAN GO FOR FREE.
UM, I WILL, UH, ASK CAROL, UM, TO EMAIL YOU THE FLYER THAT FRANCIS SENT TO ME.
I LOOKED AT IT, I COULDN'T DECIDE WHETHER IT BENEFITED US OR NOT.
UM, FOR FREE, IF NOBODY HAS ANYTHING TO DO ONE OF THOSE THREE DAYS, WE MIGHT JUST AS WELL TAKE THE COURSE.
THEY'LL OWE US TIME BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY DONE OUR, OUR FOUR HOURS.
UM, AND I THINK IF, IF THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE A BETTER EXPLANATION OF HOW TO USE CERTIFIED LAND GRANT STATUS, I THINK THAT WOULD BENEFIT US.
MADELINE, WELL, IT SAYS FREE AS, UH, AND AS A C L G REPRESENTATIVE, YOU ARE ENTITLED TO A FREE REGISTRATION THROUGH OUR C L G SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM.
BUT IF, IF SOMEBODY, LET'S SAY THERE WERE TWO PEOPLE WANTED TO GO, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.
NO, IT GOT NO, THERE'S NO MONEY MENTIONED AT ALL.
THERE ARE PHONE NUMBERS AND EMAIL AND, UM, EMAIL ADDRESSES.
SO THAT I'M THINKING IF I, UM, SEND THIS TO CAROL, ACTUALLY, IF MY SON-IN-LAW SENDS THIS TO CAROL, SHE CAN SEND IT OUT TO EVERYBODY.
I THINK WE COULD ALL BENEFIT FROM, UH, OF DEEPER KNOWLEDGE OF HOW TO USE THE C L G STATUS THAT WE'VE HAD SINCE OUR INCEPTION.
UM, WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT WE, THE HISTORIC BOARD, AND THERE ARE, I THINK, WELL, THERE ORIGINALLY WERE THREE AND THE LAST I KNEW THERE WERE SIX OR EIGHT, THE C THE HISTORIC BOARDS, UM, CAN LANDMARK DESIGNATION WORTHY HOMES WITHOUT THE HOMEOWNERS EXPRESS APPROVAL? UM, THE DOWNSIDE AND MAJOR DOWNSIDE TO THAT IS IT ONLY GETS TO GO AS FAR AS THE COUNTY.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT WOULD BE THE TOWN AND THEN THE COUNTY.
IT WOULD, ANY, ANY, UM, HOME OR BUILDING OR WALL OR TREE LANDMARK THAT WAY WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR ANY GRANTS OR ANY ASSISTANCE, ANY TAX INCENTIVES, NOR COULD IT BE ON THE, UH, NATIONAL REGISTRY.
SO, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, WHILE IT MIGHT PRESERVE SOMETHING, IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T HELP A HOMEOWNER IN ANY WAY, UM, HELP TO MAINTAIN A HISTORIC, WHAT MIGHT BE A HISTORIC SITE.
UM, THE OTHER, UM, BIT OF EMAIL THAT I, I MYSELF GENERATED WAS, UM, I HAD A LOT OF TROUBLE.
AND IT'S, I WILL BLAME THE UNITED STATES POST OFFICE GETTING THE PLANS TO TODAY'S MEETING.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE SHOULD HAVE DONE IT LAST WEEK, SO THAT IF IN THE FUTURE WE CAN, UM, PERSUADE THE APPLICANTS, NOT THAT WE DON'T WANNA MEET WITH THEM, BUT IF THEY WOULD GIVE US THE APPLICATIONS AT LEAST A WEEK IN ADVANCE, MUCH LIKE THE ZONING BOARD AND THE PLANNING BOARD REQUIRE, IT WOULD MAKE OUR LIVES MUCH EASIER.
AND THEN IF ANY OF US HAD TO GET SOMETHING MAILED, WE WOULDN'T BE AT THE MERCY OF THE, UH, US POSTAL SERVICE.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO POINTS OF BUSINESS.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY BUSINESS SUCH AS THIS AND CORRESPONDENCE TO BRING UP FOR US? UH, MADELINE, I, I, I HAVE AN UPDATE ON ODELL HOUSE, BUT OUTTA RESPECT FOR THE APPLICANTS IN THE ROOM.
UM, IF IT'S OKAY IF I DO THAT TOWARDS THE END OF THE MEETING.
UM, IF WE'RE ALL HERE, HOW ABOUT WE INTRODUCE OURSELVES TO THE APPLICANTS? ARE WE ALL HERE?
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GARRETT? IS EVERYBODY OH, YES.I'M MADLAN, OSHA, THE TWO APPLICANTS THAT ARE HERE.
T WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF? YES.
I'M A BOARD MEMBER AND, UH, UH, ALWAYS ENJOY, UH, REALLY, UH, INTERESTING PROJECTS TOO.
KURT IS ALSO OUR RESIDENT ARCHITECT.
ARE YOU ON? UNFORTUNATELY, UH, I SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THAT BACK.
UH, UNFORTUNATELY, ANNETTE HAD TROUBLE, UH, GETTING ON.
UM, SHE'S WENT TO A DIFFERENT COMPUTER.
I HOPE THAT, UM, SHE COMES ON.
UH, BILL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE? YES.
I'M BILL MORRIS HERE, A LONGTIME, UH, GREENBERG RESIDENT AND, UH, INTERESTED IN THIS AREA.
I'M A MEMBER OF THE TOWN BOARD, AND I'M LIAISON TO THIS COMMITTEE OR THIS BOARD, I SHOULD SAY.
UH, LOUISE, ARE YOU THERE? YES.
WELL, IF YOU'RE IN, DO YOU WANNA JUST GIVE YOUR NAME? WE'RE OUT AGAIN.
UM, I'D LIKE TO TAKE CHA FIRST IF NOBODY MIND, BECAUSE I THINK THAT YES, GO AHEAD.
I THINK SHE'S STILL BREAKING UP.
YOU'RE STILL BREAKING UP, LOUISE? YEAH, I CAN INTRODUCE MYSELF.
AARON SCHMIDT, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND CONSERVATION WITH THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, GARY.
GARY DUQUE, COMMISSIONER OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND CONSERVATION.
UM, ON CHALFORD, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO START THE DISCUSSION? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY FROM YOUR, UM, PROFESSIONAL STANDPOINT? FOR THE, THE ONE THAT'S, UH, OKAY.
LET, CHALFORD IS THE ONE WITH THE FRONT PORCH.
THE ONE THAT'S, UH, YEAH, I THINK, UH, UH, MY OVERALL COMMENT IS THAT, UH, UM, UH, THE, THE PROPOSED ADDITION CHANGES THE CHARACTER OF THE, THE WHOLE BUILDING AND, UH, UM, BUT, UH, BUT WHAT IS REALLY END, END RESULTS OR END PRODUCT IS A, UH, IS PRETTY GOOD.
SO I DON'T HAVE MUCH OBJECTION TO IT.
UH, BILL, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT ON CHALFORD? IT SEEMED TO LOOK, IT LOOKED FINE TO ME.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANNETTE'S ON YET.
UM, I HAVE A WRITTEN COMMENT FROM ARMENIA WHO IS TRAVELING AS WE'RE, AS WE'RE TALKING, AND, UM, SHE SAYS, FIVE CHA ALFRED, I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THE ADDITIONS AND OTHER INTERIOR CHANGES NOTED ON THE DRAWINGS RECEIVED.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THE FRONT PORCH IS REALLY INDICATIVE OF A CENTER HALL COLONIAL.
UM, AND IT WOULD TEND TO CHANGE THE STYLE OF THE HOUSE, BUT WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO LANDMARK THIS HOUSE, SO, UM, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE FINE TO GO AS WELL.
AND I WILL ASK CAROL TO WRITE A LETTER.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING, IF ANY, UH, OTHER PERMITS ARE NEEDED, BUT WE SHOULD INCLUDE, AS ALWAYS OUR DISCLAIMER THAT WE'RE JUST DOING IT FROM A HISTORIC PERSPECTIVE.
IS THAT, IS EVERYBODY AGREE TO THAT? I AGREE.
AND, AND ARMENIA DOES BY WRITTEN WHAT'S IN FRONT OF ME, AND I'M HOPING THAT ANNETTE WILL, WHEN SHE EVER, YOU KNOW, GETS ON.
SO, WE'LL, WE WILL, UH, WE WILL WRITE UP THAT, UM, AS YOU'VE NOTED, AND, UH, THANK YOU TO THIS VOINOVICH FAMILY.
AND, UM, STEVEN, UH, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN THE BUILDING PERMIT IS READY.
UH, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
CHAIRMAN, MADAM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YEAH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
RIGHT? HAVE A GOOD EVENING TOO.
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HILL ROAD, AND I HAVE TO BE HONEST, I DO NOT KNOW IF WE ARE GOING TO GET TO EVERYTHING IN ONE MEETING.UM, THERE IS AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT.
UM, I'M GONNA LEAD OFF BECAUSE I THINK I, I, I THINK IT'S FAIR BECAUSE I'M NOT GONNA APOLOGIZE.
I LOVE THIS HOUSE, AND UNLESS SOMETHING HAS HELLO? HEY, BILL, WE'RE GONNA PAUSE FOR A MOMENT.
WE'LL, WE'LL SEE IF MADELINE COMES BACK AND IS BACK WITH HER AUDIO.
UM, I'M, I'M GETTING LIKE BANJO MUSIC, RIGHT? I KNOW IT'S MAKING THAT NOISE.
ALSO, ONCE MADELINE COMES BACK, WE'LL LET HER, THAT SHE'LL HAVE TO REPEAT THIS.
UM, SO JUST BE PATIENT PLEASE.
I JUST FELT THAT THE, UM, I LOVE THE HOUSE.
I MEAN, I'M NOT APOLOGIZING FOR IT.
MADELINE, WHAT? UM, SO YOUR CONNECTION WENT IN AND OUT, SO UNFORTUNATELY WE DIDN'T HEAR, UM, MUCH OF WHAT YOU SAID.
SO IF YOU COULD JUST PLEASE REITERATE THAT, UM, IT WAS INDECIPHERABLE, BUT IT WAS INTERNET.
UM, I LOVE THIS HOUSE, TWO 50 FORT HILL ROAD.
UM, UNLESS SOMETHING HAS RADICALLY CHANGED, WHEN NEW YORK, WHEN THE NEW YORK STATE REPRESENTATIVE CAME TO LOOK AT IT, WHEN LOUISE FIRST HAD IT ON THE MARKET, HE ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT AS WELL.
UM, THE HOUSE ITSELF HAS AN IMPORTANT UNIQUE PLACE IN THE HISTORY OF GREENBERG, UM, BECAUSE IT SPANS SO MANY GENERATIONS.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF WHAT I'VE COME TO KNOW OF, UM, GREENBERG AS BEING AN AGRICULTURAL TOWN.
UM, AND IT'S ALSO DEFINITIVE OF THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE 1850S WITH A LITTLE SOUTHERN THROWN IN.
UM, SO THAT THE HOUSE AND ITS ARCHITECTURE AND ITS HISTORY PLAY A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF GREENBERG IN 2021.
MY FEELING IS THAT IT'S WORTH PRESERVING.
I KNOW THAT THE NEW OWNERS ARE LOOKING TO DO SOME RENOVATIONS.
I THINK THAT SOME OF THE RENOVATIONS ARE GOING TO RENDER IT HISTORICALLY INACCURATE, AND IT'S GOING TO.
UM, AND SO I'M HOPING THAT THROUGH DIALOGUE TODAY, AND MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, THAT WE CAN COME TO, UM, SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT ON THE PRESERVATION OF THIS HOUSE.
UM, SOME OF THE RENOVATIONS ARE GREAT.
UM, SOME ARE, ARE, UM, WILL, WILL REALLY MAKE IT UN UM, I DON'T KNOW, UN HISTORIC.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE, AND I WOULD LIKE MY GROUP TO HELP ME.
THE BENEFITS OF LANDMARKING, I WILL GIVE YOU THE DOWNSIDE ALSO, BECAUSE THEY'RE, WE'RE ALL GOOD.
THERE HAS TO BE A BAD, UM, IT'S A UNIQUE HOUSE AND, UM, THE VAN NESS FAMILY HAS BOUGHT SOMETHING THAT IS PHENOMENAL, UM, BECAUSE IT'S SO UNIQUE, BECAUSE IT'S SO HISTORICALLY RELEVANT.
UM, THE OWNERS COULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR GRANTS AND FOR TAX INCENTIVES FROM BOTH THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
THE HOUSE HAS TO BE LANDMARKED FIRST.
UM, YOU WITH, IF YOU LANDMARK IT, YOU CAN A ADD ON TO THE REAR AND THE REAR OF THE, THE SIDE REAR OF THE HOUSE.
YOU CAN REPLACE THE WINDOWS IN LIKE, AND KIND AS THEY ARE.
UM, YOU CAN ALTER FEATURES IN THE, IN, YOU CAN ALTER THE INTERIOR UNLESS SPECIFIC ROOMS ARE LANDMARKED WITHOUT ANYTHING, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.
YOU CAN RENOVATE THE EXTERIOR WITHIN THE ACCEPTABLE GUIDELINES AS DEFINED BY THE, UH, NATIONAL REGISTRY.
AND MAYBE ONE OF THE BEST INCENTIVES, AGAIN, IS THE FACT THAT YOU CAN APPLY FOR NEW YORK STATE HISTORIC
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HOME OWNERSHIP, REHABILITATION TAX CREDIT, AND THAT WOULD HELP WITH WINDOWS.IF I REMEMBER THE LITERATURE I READ THAT WOULD HELP WITH LEADERS AND GUTTERS.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL ELSE, THE MAJOR DOWNSIDE IS YOU CANNOT DEMOLISH THE HOUSE, BUT THIS HOUSE IS, I MEAN, I'M, SO IF ANYBODY ON THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE BENEFITS OF LANDMARKING OR DEMOLITION, AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO, I HAVE SIX PAGES, UM, OF WHAT I'VE PICKED UP ON THE SCOPE OF THE WORK THAT I WOULD LIKE MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
SO, K DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD ABOUT LANDMARKING? UH, NO.
I THINK, UH, YOU SUMMED UP VERY WELL.
BILL, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO, YOU DID A GOOD JOB.
UH, AARON, GARRETT, DIANA, ANYBODY WANNA THROW IN THEIR COMMENTS HERE? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD.
NO, I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT, UM, REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT IS HERE, UM, AND, AND LIKELY WOULD WANNA, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE SOME COMMENTS.
IS, IS THIS CINDY, IS THAT WHO'S HERE? OR IS, UH, ONE OF THE NESS FAMILY HERE? WE'RE BOTH HERE.
I'M HERE WITH CHARLIE NESS, WHO'S THE OWNER.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT HOPEFULLY I CAN ANSWER ON THE BENEFITS OR, UM, DOWNSIDE OF LANDMARKING? NO, NOT AT THIS TIME.
UM, K DO YOU WANNA START OFF SINCE IT'S, UM, I THINK OKAY.
LET'S, SOMEBODY'S, SOMEBODY'S PHONE IS HERE.
UH, I THINK BENEFIT OF, UH, UH, SORT OF EVERYBODY INVOLVED, I WOULD LIKE THE, UH, ARCHITECT TO KIND OF TELL US IT BRIEFLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING WITH IT, WHAT CHANGES AND WHAT, UH, OUR PROPOSED ALTERATION ARE WILL BE GOOD TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE IT IN.
CAN YOU HEAR ME ALL RIGHT WITH MY MASK ON? YES.
SO, UM, WE ARE, IF WE CAN, SORRY, BUT, UH, EITHER GARRETT OR ERIN, IF YOU CAN PUT UP THE PLAN OR SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT OR, YEAH.
UH, MA'AM, WOULD, DO YOU, DO YOU DESIRE TO SHARE CERTAIN PLANS OR, I HAVE, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PLANS HERE, AND I CAN PUT UP WHATEVER'S HELPFUL IF YOU, UM, LET ME KNOW.
UH, I THINK THE, THE MOST HELPFUL THING WOULD BE TO PUT UP THE FIRST FLOOR CONSTRUCTION PLAN, WHICH OUTLINES WHAT WE'RE, UH, HOPING TO DO.
I'LL, I'LL GET THAT QUEUED UP.
AND IF YOU WANNA GO AHEAD, UH, SORRY FOR THE INTERRUPTION.
UM, SO THE MA THE MAJOR, UH, THING THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR, UH, OR, OR THAT WE ARE HOPING TO DO IS TO ADD A, ADD A TWO CAR GARAGE TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
WE'VE PUSHED IT ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, THERE ARE NO WINDOWS ON THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
UM, IT, UH, IS ON THE SIDE THAT IS, UM, NEXT TO A FLAG LOTT DRIVEWAY.
UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, ACTUALLY, I SHOULD START OUT BY SAYING THAT OF COURSE, WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO DEMOLISH THE HOUSE.
UM, THE VAN NESSES PURCHASED IT BECAUSE THEY, UM, THOUGHT IT WAS WONDERFUL TO BE, BECOME A PART OF THE HISTORY OF THE COMMUNITY, AND THEY'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
AND THAT BEING SAID, UM, THEY DO NEED TO, UH, BRING IT UP TO, UH, THE SORT OF, UM, LIFESTYLE OF SOMEONE IN, UH, 2020.
AND PART OF THAT WOULD BE TO ADD THE TWO CAR GARAGE.
UM, WE ARE RETAINING THE FRONT AND SIDE PORCHES, UM, AND ALSO RETAINED THE EXTENSION OF THE PORCH ON THE NEW GARAGE SIDE, SO THAT FROM THE FRONT, IT IS STILL APPEARS THAT THE, UM, PORCHES WRAP AROUND AND THE GARAGE IS SET WAY BACK, UH, AT THE VERY BACK OF THE HOUSE.
UM, THE, AND THEN CONNECTION TO THE, UM, TO THE KITCHEN AND THE FAMILY LIVING QUARTERS WOULD BE THROUGH THE, UM, EXISTING PORCH THAT WE WOULD ADD ONTO A LITTLE BIT TO HAVE SOME OVERHEAD, UH, COVERAGE AS YOU GET BACK INTO THE KITCHEN.
UM, WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IN THE DINING ROOM, FRONT HALL OR LIVING ROOM, EXCEPT TO CHANGE THE PAIR OF DOORS THAT ARE IN THE LIVING ROOM TO SINGLE DOORS SO THAT IT ALLOWS FOR MORE LIGHT.
UM, AND ALSO WE HAD THOUGHT TO CHANGE THE
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DINING ROOM DOORS TO WINDOWS, TO DOORS AS WELL.UM, THOSE, IT HAPPENS THAT THOSE TWO WINDOWS IN THE DINING ROOM HAVE WOOD PANELS BELOW THEM.
SO IT, IT'S POSSIBLE, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE ABOUT THIS, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY IS POSSIBLE THAT THERE WAS, UH, THERE WERE DOORS THERE ORIGINALLY, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THAT EITHER WAY.
UM, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THE FRONT ENTRANCE HALL OTHER THAN TO REMOVE THE, UM, THE, UH, FRENCH DOORS AND GLASS PARTITION.
REALLY, THAT WAS ADDED AT SOME POINT BETWEEN THE FRONT HALL AND THE LIVING ROOM, UM, AND IS NOT ORIGINAL, UH, CLEARLY FROM YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PHOTOS.
UM, THEN, THEN THE MAJOR RENOVATION HAPPENS IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
UM, SOME OF THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT.
UM, WE WERE PROPOSING TO, UH, USE THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT, NOT ADD ANYTHING TO THE FOOTPRINT AND RAISE THE WALL SO THAT WE HAVE A CONSISTENT CEILING HEIGHT THROUGHOUT THE FIRST FLOOR.
CURRENTLY, THE KITCHEN HAS A VERY LOW CEILING HEIGHT.
UM, SO THAT'S MANY OF THE FIREPLACES, UM, THAT ARE IN THE HOUSE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE FOUR, UM, OR THREE ON THIS FLOOR.
THERE WAS A, THERE IS A FOURTH THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE, AND THAT ONE WAS APPARENTLY, UM, UH, THE, THE WORK, UM, THERE WAS A BUNCH OF WORK THAT WAS DONE TO THAT PART OF THE HOUSE IN THE 1970S.
SO IT, IT'S CLEAR THAT THAT WAS NOT ORIGINAL.
UM, THE HISTORICAL INFORMATION THAT I REFERENCED IN THE DOCUMENT THAT I INCLUDED IN OUR APPLICATION CAME FROM THE FORMER OWNER, UH, MRS. CLARK, UM, WHO, UM, STATED THAT THEY HAD DONE THE RENOVATION IN THAT AR PART OF THE HOUSE, UM, IN THE 1970S.
UM, AND THE OTHER OF THE OTHER FIREPLACES ON THAT FLOOR.
UH, ONE IS ALREADY CLOSED UP AND DOESN'T HAVE A SURROUND OF ANY SORT.
THAT'S THE ONE, UM, ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE LIVING ROOM.
AND THE OTHER TWO, UM, ARE OPEN.
BUT, UM, THE SURROUNDS ARE IN, UM, IN VERY, UM, UH, HAVE, HAVE, ARE, ARE NOT IN VERY GOOD SHAPE AND NEED A LOT OF, UH, T L C, UH, THE, THE STONE IS CRACKED AND THE, AND THE, UM, IT'S, IT'S QUESTIONABLE WHETHER THEY'RE WORKING OR NOT.
UM, SO THAT'S THE SUMMARY OF THE FIRST FLOOR.
UM, THE PORCH WILL REMAIN, UH, THE COLUMNS WILL REMAIN.
UM, THE PORCH FLOORBOARDS, UM, WILL BE, UM, REPLACED WITH NEW BOARDS IN KIND.
UH, THE CEILING WILL BE, UM, IT'S NOW IN SOME KIND OF A PLYWOOD OR M D F PANELS, AND THAT WILL BE REPLACED WITH B BOARD.
UM, THE, THE, THE CURRENT, THE EXISTING PORCH DOES NOT HAVE ANY, UM, ANY RAILINGS ON IT.
UM, THERE IS AN OLD, UH, PHOTO OF THE HOUSE THAT HAD, UH, RAILINGS BETWEEN THE COLUMNS AT SOME POINT.
UM, BUT THAT WAS PRIOR TO 1912, I BELIEVE.
AND, UM, AT SOME POINT THOSE WERE REMOVED.
SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UM, CHANGE TO THE HOUSE OVER THE COURSE OF ITS LIFE SINCE 1850.
UM, THE, UH, FACADE WAS NOT ORIGINALLY STUCCO.
UM, THERE WAS NOT ORIGINALLY A PORCH.
UM, THE PORCH WAS ADDED SOMETIME AROUND THE BEGINNING OF THE 20TH CENTURY.
UM, ACCORDING TO MRS. CLARK, UM, THERE WAS NOT A SET OF STAIRS AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE THAT'S, THAT'S NEW.
UM, THE SIDE STAIRS, I, I ASSUME CAME WITH THE, UM, CAME WITH THE, UH, WHEN THE PORCH WAS ADDED.
AND AT SOME POINT THERE WAS A PORT CHER ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT HAS SINCE BEEN REMOVED.
SO I THINK THAT YOU CAN, FROM THIS DESCRIPTION, YOU CAN SEE THAT MANY THINGS HAVE CHANGED OVER TIME AT THE HOUSE.
UM, THE OTHER, WE'RE DOING SOME MINOR PROPO PRO PROPOSING SOME MINOR CHANGES ON THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOORS, UM, MOSTLY TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, THE FAMILY, UH, BUT NO CHANGES TO THE CENTER HALL OR THE STAIR.
UM, AND NO CHANGES TO ANY OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS OTHER THAN TO PROPOSE, YOU KNOW, UPDATING THE WINDOWS TO, UM, NEW DOUBLE GLAZED WINDOWS TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, THE ENERGY CODE AND ALSO TO BE USEFUL.
UM, THE CURRENT WINDOWS DON'T REALLY FUNCTION VERY WELL, IF AT ALL.
UM, WE ARE PLANNING TO PRESERVE TWO STAINED GLASS WINDOWS, UM, THAT ARE IN THE BATHROOMS. UM, THEY'RE IN, PHOTOS OF THEM ARE INCLUDED IN THE, UH, PACKET THAT I, UH, SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD.
UM, WE WILL TAKE THEM OUT WITH CARE TO PROTECT THE GLASS AND, UH, WE ARE PLANNING TO REUSE THEM, BUT WE'RE NOT SURE YET
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WHERE THEY WILL BE USED, BUT THEY'RE, THEY WILL BE USED SOMEPLACE IN THE HOUSE.SO THAT'S, I THINK, A GOOD SUMMARY.
UM, AS YOU MAY ALL KNOW, UM, THE PROPERTY IS IN THE PROCESS OF, UM, REQUESTING A SUBDIVISION.
I THINK THAT, UM, APPLICATION HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR ABOUT A YEAR.
UM, THE TOWN ARBORIST CAME OUT AND, UM, AND MET WITH THE NEW OWNERS AND WITH MR. S, WHO IS, HAD BEEN GUIDING THE APPROVAL PROCESS FOR THE SUBDIVISION.
AND HE, UM, AND THEY ALL CAME TO THE CONCLUSION ABOUT WANTING TO SAVE SOME OF THE BEAUTIFUL TREES ALONG THE, UH, NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND IN DOING THAT, UM, WE WOULD LIKE, ARE PLANNING TO MOVE THE DRIVEWAY SO THAT THE DRIVEWAY, INSTEAD OF COMING UP THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE ON, ON THE NORTH SIDE WOULD COME IN, UM, CENTERED ON THE FRONT DOOR, UM, TO A KIND OF ROUNDABOUT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
AND THANKS TO A, SOME DOCUMENTS IN A BOOK THAT MRS. CLARK GAVE TO THE VAN NESSES, IT APPEARS THAT THAT'S WHERE THE DRIVEWAY WAS AND ABOUT 1860, SO WE'RE, UM, UH, RESTORING AS IT WERE,
AND THEN THERE'LL BE, UH, WOULD BE A LEG OFF OF IT TO THE NORTH TO ENTER, UM, INTO THE SIDE YARD TO GET TO THE, TO THE GARAGE.
SO I THINK THAT'S A SUMMARY OF MOST OF WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO.
UM, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
YEAH, I THINK THE MAJOR, UH, WELL, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DETAILS.
YOU'RE ADDING A STAIR TO THE BASEMENT.
WELL, THE, YES, THE CURRENT STAIR TO THE BASEMENT WAS, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, IT'S IN A PART OF THE HOUSE THAT CLEARLY WAS EXTERIOR AT ONE POINT, AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS A, UM, A BULK, A BULKHEAD DOOR, AND IT'S VERY STEEP AND VERY, UM, UH, NOT SAFE.
SO OUR PROPOSAL WAS TO PUT A STAIR TO THE BASEMENT UNDERNEATH THE FRONT STAIR, WHICH IS A VERY TRADITIONAL THING TO DO, UM, SO THAT THE STAIR WOULD ACTUALLY BE CENTERED WITHIN THE EX, THE BASEMENT SPACE AND WOULD, UM, NOT BE, UH, SORT OF QUASI EXTERIOR PORTION OF THE HOUSE.
I THINK YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE THAT IN THE DRAWINGS OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT I, UM, INCLUDED IN MY SUBMISSION.
I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A ONE AND A, OR SORRY, A TWO AND A THREE.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT IT IS A STRUCTURALLY, UH, SAFE TO DO THAT, UH, EXISTING, UH, RAFTER AND, UH, UH, PUTTING ANOTHER BEAM OR SOMETHING TO CREATE A, UH, AND, AND A KIND OF A SUPPORTING COLUMNS TO, TO HOLD UP THE STA ABOVE, WHICH IS, I THINK, THE BEST PART OF THE WHOLE HOUSE.
WE, YES, WE'VE DONE IT MANY TIMES AND IT'S, UM, QUITE POSSIBLE TO DO WITHOUT DISTURBING WHAT'S THERE.
THERE ARE ACTUALLY OKAY, QUITE A FEW, UM, PLACES, PARTICULARLY NEAR THE STAIR WHERE THE FLOOR IS NOT LEVEL.
AND OUR PLAN WOULD BE TO USE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO STABILIZE THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T GO OUT OF LEVEL EVEN FURTHER.
AND TO, UM, SORT OF TUCK THE STAIR IN THERE WHERE IT, WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM ANY OTHER, UH, ROOM IN THE HOUSE AND IS VERY, IT'S VERY PRACTICAL LOCATION.
UM, THERE IS NO PROBLEM TO SUPPORT THAT.
IN FACT, YOU KNOW, OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER HAS ALREADY, UM, TOLD US WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REALLY NOT, UM, DIFFICULT TO DO IT ALL.
UH, AND, AND, UH, IS THE NEW STAIR WOULD BE A MORE KIND OF, UH, WILL MATCH WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSE, OR WOULD BE MORE FUNCTIONAL? NO, WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE EXISTING STAIR.
WE'RE ONLY ADDING A BASEMENT STAIR.
SO IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT AN ARCHITECTURAL STAIR, IT'S ONLY OPEN TO THE STORAGE AREA AND MECHANICAL SPACE IN THE BASEMENT.
IT WILL NOT HAVE ANY IMPACT AT ALL ON THE BEAUTIFUL EXISTING STAIR THAT ALL STAYS JUST AS IT IS.
WE JUST OP, MAKE AN OPENING IN THE FRAMING BELOW IT AND ADD A STAIR BELOW, UM, THAT GOES TO THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF THE EXISTING STAIR.
SO AS THAT ONE GOES UP, WE START AT THE HIGH POINT AND GO DOWN UNDERNEATH IT AND YOU, IT, WE WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW IT WAS THERE AT THE END OF THE DAY.
AND YOU ARE NOT, UH, YOU ARE KEEPING THE ORIGINAL FLOORING, UH, FOR THE, ACTUALLY THE, THE FLOORING IS NOT ORIGINAL.
UM, IN THE KITCHEN AREA WHERE WE ARE, UM,
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MAKING A NEW OPEN PLAN, THAT FLOORING HAS ALL BEEN ADDED.UM, THE WHOLE SECOND FLOOR, THERE WAS FLOORING ADDED ON TOP OF THE ORIGINAL FLOORING.
UM, AND THAT FLOORING IS, UM, WAS ADDED AT SOME POINT PROBABLY IN THE EARLY 20TH CENTURY.
SO, UM, WE ARE, AND IT HAS ACTUALLY CAUSED PROBLEMS AROUND THE STAIR.
UM, SO WE ARE ACTUALLY PLANNING TO PUT NEW FLOORING IN THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE OR, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO WHAT'S THERE HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE.
MY ONLY, ONLY REQUEST WOULD BE TO KEEP THE, THE ENTRANCE HALL, THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, UM, FLOORING, BECAUSE THAT, THAT IS ONE OF THE CLASSIC, UH, IDENTIFIER OF 18TH CENTURY, UH, TENANT HOUSES.
IT'S LIKE SEVEN AND A HALF INCH WIDE BOARDS.
NO, IT'S NOT, NO, IT'S NOT SEVEN AND A HALF INCHES WIDE.
THERE'S ONE AREA IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE IN THE KITCHEN WHERE THERE IS, THERE ARE WIDE FLOORBOARDS, BUT MRS. CLARK AND HER FAMILY ADDED THOSE, UM, ACCORDING TO THE DOCUMENTS SHE GAVE US, THOSE WERE DONE BACK IN THE 1970S.
SO THOSE ARE NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE.
THE FLOORBOARDS IN THE FRONT ARE ONLY ABOUT TWO AND A HALF INCHES WIDE.
THEY'RE VERY STANDARD OAK, OAK TWO AND A HALF INCH WIDE FLOORBOARDS.
NO, WHAT I MEANT WAS IN THE HALLWAY.
THAT'S THE CASE IN THE HALLWAY AS WELL.
ALSO THERE IS NOT THERE, IT'S, IT'S COMMON OAK FLOORING.
I WAS, OKAY, SO THE ORIGINAL FLOORING IS UNDERNEATH THAT OR, UH, MAYBE LOOSE.
THERE'S, IT'S A SUBFLOOR SUBOR, BUT IT'S JUST A SUBFLOOR.
THERE WAS NEVER ANY ORIGINAL FINISHED FLOORING.
IT WAS JUST A SUBFLOOR THAT WAS ALSO COMMON IN THE 19TH CENTURY TO, TO HAVE A SUBFLOOR, WHAT WE THINK OF AS SUBFLOOR AND NOT HAVE A FINISHED FLOOR ON TOP OF THAT.
SO THE, YOU CAN SEE ACTUALLY IN PHOTOS BY THE STAIRWAY, UM, WHERE THE, WHERE AT SOME POINT A NEW FINISHED FLOOR WAS ADDED AND THEY DIDN'T TAKE THE RAILING OUT, UM, TO ADD THE FLOOR.
SO YOU SEE THE ORIGINAL SUBFLOOR UNDERNEATH THE, UM, THE RAILING.
BUT WHATEVER YOU DO WOULD, WOULD MATCH WITH THE, UH, UH, YES.
AND IT HAS A, IT HAS A NICE PATTERN AROUND, YES.
I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST A STRAIGHT FLOOR.
YOU CAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTO OF THE FRONT HALL THAT I, I INCLUDED IN MY PACKAGE, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT, IT'S A NARROW BOARD OAK FLOORING THAT RUNS THE WIDTH OF THE HALL.
AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STAIR AND YOU FIND THAT STAIR PICTURE IN THE PACKAGE THAT I GAVE YOU.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE STAIR, THAT'S THE FRONT HALL VIEW OF THE STAIR, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE FIRST RISER IS A LOT LESS THAN ALL THE OTHER RISERS.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE FLOORING WAS ADDED ON THE FIRST FLOOR AFTER THE HOUSE AND THE STAIR WERE BUILT.
AND WHAT'S THERE HAS NO PATTERN.
IT JUST IS A STRAIGHT RUNNING, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMON OAK FLOORING PATTERN.
THERE'S, AND THE AREA WHERE YOU SEE THE WHITEBOARDS THAT WAS ADDED IN THE SEVENTIES, AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE LIVING ROOM PHOTO, IT'S THE SAME FLOORING.
THERE IS NO PATTERN, THERE'S NOTHING, UM, THAT IS, HAS ADDITIONAL HISTORICAL, UM, SIGNIFICANCE IN THAT, IN THAT FLOORING.
I THINK WHAT I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT, AND I APOLOGIZE TO BOTH OF YOU.
I THINK WHAT CORRI IS, WELL, MAYBE TRYING TO SAY, I KNOW THAT I WOULD ASK ALSO IS THAT, IS THERE ANY ATTEMPT GOING TO BE MADE TO WHEN THEY, WHEN YOU REDO THE WOODEN, THE WOOD FLOORS IN THE HALLWAY, THE DINING ROOM AND THE LIVING ROOM TO GO BACK TO THE WIDE BOARDS TO KEEP THE CONSISTENCY OF THE HISTORIC VALUE OF THE HOUSE? I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT IF YOU GO TO A CLOSET ON THE SECOND FLOOR, AND I MAY OR MAY I HAVE BEEN IN THE HOUSE MANY TIMES AND POURED OVER IT, UM, THERE, THERE MAY BE A REPLIC, UM, A COUPLE OF PIECES OF THE ORIGINAL FLOORBOARD IN ONE OF THE CLOSETS ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
IS ANY ATTEMPT GOING TO BE MADE TO PUT IN A HISTORICALLY ACCURATE FLOOR IN THE, AT LEAST ON THE FIRST FLOOR AS OPPOSED TO MODERN, WHATEVER COR IS TALKING ABOUT? WELL, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE THE FLOOR GOES IN THE CORRECT DIRECTION FOR THE HOUSE, BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT PLYWOOD
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WHEN THE HOUSE WAS BUILT.AND THE FLOORING, THE SUBFLOORING THAT I'M REFERRING TO IS BOARDS THAT ARE, UH, THREE AND A HALF TO FIVE INCHES WIDE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND SO WE NEED TO GO IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF THAT, FIRST OF ALL.
UM, SECOND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF I, I I THINK THAT IT, IT, TO ME IT'S, IT IN, IN DEALING WITH MANY OLD HOMES, I'VE FOUND THAT THAT WIDER BOARDS WERE NOT ACTUALLY OFTEN USED.
UM, UNLESS THE HOUSE WAS, UM, A MUCH, UH, MORE INFORMAL HOUSE THAN THIS ONE IS.
AND AS I SAID, THE, THE WHITEBOARDS THAT ARE IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE WERE NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL JOB OR ORIGINAL HOUSE.
YEAH, I, SO, WELL, I WOULD I, OKAY.
I WOULD LIKE, UM, TO THAT, I, I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU'RE DOING SOME MORE, UM, RESEARCH ON THE BOARDS BEFORE WE COMMIT TO, UM, UH, ON, UM, BEFORE ANYBODY COMMITS TO, UM, I WOULD HATE TO HAVE, BECAUSE THE, UM, IN THE, IN THE FIRST FLOOR, THE LIVING ROOM STAIRCASE, DINING ROOM HALLWAY ARE WHAT ARE SO IMPORTANT TO THE HISTORIC ACCURACY OF THE HOUSE.
AND IT'S WHAT PEOPLE WHO COME TO VISIT THE FAMILY WILL SEE FIRST.
SO IF WE COULD, UM, I MEAN, CINDY, IF, IF IT'S NOT YOUR LEVEL OF EXPERTISE, THERE'S UM, HISTORIC ARCHITECT WHO IS HELPING THE TOWN WITH THE ODELL HOUSE, AND YOU MIGHT SEE IF HE WOULD, UM, IF HE HAS ANY THOUGHTS ON THE SUBJECT.
UM, I'M LOOKING TO KEEP AS MUCH HISTORIC ACCURACY AND GIVE THE FAMILY A FLUIDITY AND A MODERN HOUSE.
AND IF THE FLOORBOARDS ARE GOING TO SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE SOMETHING, THEN I THINK WE NEED TO RE I I WOULD HOPE YOUR CLIENT WOULD RE-LOOK AT THEM.
WELL, THIS, HE'S HERE, HE'D LIKE TO SPEAK.
MY, MY MY PLAN IS TO DO A FIVE, FIVE AND A HALF INCH WIDE PANEL IN THERE, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH THE WIDEST BOARD, UH, BOARD THAT YOU'RE GONNA DO.
'CAUSE ONCE YOU'RE STILL GOING WITH A WIDER BOARD, YOU'RE GONNA GET DEFLECTION EVENTUALLY AND CUPPING IN THE, IN THE PANELS.
SO THE WIDEST BOARD THAT I THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO LIVE WITH WITHOUT HAVING PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE IS FIVE, FIVE AND A HALF INCHES.
SO, AND, AND THAT'S OUR INTENTION.
UM, WE DO NEED, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, WE DO IT, IT IS KIND OF OUR HOUSE, AND WE STILL WANNA, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE BEING IN, YOU KNOW, WE LIKE TO MAKE YOU GUYS HAPPY AS MUCH AS WE CAN, BUT WE DO, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE DO WANNA BE ABLE TO LIVE IN THE HOUSE THE WAY WE WANT TO.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, OUR PLAN HERE.
SO WE, WE'D LIKE TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS AS MUCH AS WE CAN, AND WE LIKE TO KEEP THE HOUSE AS MUCH, YOU KNOW, AS A HISTORICAL, AS WE, AS WE ARE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I'M PAYING THE BILLS
SO, UH, IS THE, THAT YOU'RE, SORRY, UH, IS THE COLUMN THAT YOU'RE REMOVING BETWEEN HALLWAY AND UH, UH, I THINK DINING ROOM, UH, THE LIVING ROOM.
SO WOULD THAT BE KIND OF A, UH, I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT GOING TO MAKE IT A ONE CONTINUOUS SPACE BETWEEN HALLWAY AND THE LIVING ROOM? SO, UH, HAVE YOU DONE ANY EXPLANATORY, UH, WORK THAT, WHAT IS UNDERNEATH THAT, THAT SOME OF THE COLUMNS OR I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE MOSTLY A DECORATING? UH, YES.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRIMARILY DECORATIVE.
THEY'RE HOLLOW AND THEY'RE, BUT THEY ARE SITTING ON THE FOUNDATION WALL IN THE BASEMENT BETWEEN THE FULL HEIGHT SPACE AND THE CRAWL SPACE.
UM, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THERE WERE SO MANY ADDED IN THE WAY THAT THEY ARE, BUT, UM, CLEARLY IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO, I THINK PROBABLY WITH KEEPING THE HEAT IN THE LIVING ROOM OR, UM, MAY MAYBE BEING ABLE TO AIR CONDITION THE LIVING ROOM BECAUSE AT SOME POINT AN AIR CONDITIONER WAS CUT THROUGH THE DOORS BETWEEN THE LIVING ROOM AND THE FRONT PORCH.
UM, AND IT, AND I THINK IT'S THE ONLY ROOM THAT HAD AIR CONDITIONING, UM, OF THAT SORT.
SO PERHAPS THE DOORS WERE ADDED IN ORDER TO AIR CONDITION THAT SPACE.
UM, SO, UH, THE, THE COLUMNS DO NOT APPEAR TO BE IN ANY WAY.
UM, STRUCTURAL, UH, I IMAGINE THAT IT'S, ORIGINALLY IT WAS TWO ROOMS, A FRONT PARLOR AND A REAL PAR PARLOR.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE WITH THE COLUMNS THAT WE'VE LEFT, WE'VE TRIED TO DEFINE OPENINGS THAT ARE BALANCED WITH THE, UH, ORIGINAL FIREPLACES AND WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, DROPPED
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BEAMS, UH, BETWEEN THE FRONT AND THE REAR PORTIONS OF THE SPACE.UM, SO THAT IT FEELS LIKE IT'S MAKES SENSE RIGHT NOW.
THE COLUMNS DO NOT RELATE AT ALL TO THE BEAMS THAT RUN ACROSS THE LIVING ROOM, LIVING ROOM.
UM, SO THEY SEEM VERY, UM, HAPHAZARD ALMOST.
UM, THEY'RE NOT, UH, AND NOT STRUCTURAL.
UH, SO THE REMAINING COLUMNS THAT YOU SHOW ON THE PLAN, THEY ARE STRUCTURAL? THEY WILL BE STRUCTURAL YES, BECAUSE THE, THE BEAM, UH, THAT BEAM HAS DEFLECTED.
UM, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T, UM, DEFLECT ANY FURTHER.
AND WE'D LIKE TO PRESERVE ALL OF THE PLASTER MOLDINGS, UM, AND KEEP THEM FROM, UM, HARM.
SO WE ARE GOING TO, UH, PROBABLY REINFORCE THAT, UH, AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, UH, SUPPORTED, UM, WHERE THE, THERE'S A BREAK IN THE BEAM.
UM, THE BEAM IS NOT CONTINUOUS FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
SO WHERE WE HAVE PLACED THE COLUMN COLUMNS, UM, PICKS UP THE ENDS OF THE, OF THE BEAMS TO PROPERLY SUPPORT THEM AND TO PRESERVE THE, UM, PLASTER MOLDINGS ON THE LIVING ROOM SIDE AND, AND THE DINING AND THE, AND THE FRONT HALL SIDE.
NO, I THINK THAT, UH, UH, THAT, UH, UH, MAKES THE WHOLE HOUSE AND SPACE LOOKS NICER AND CONTEMPORARY.
SO, UH, I LIKE THAT SORT OF INNOVATION.
WELL, I THINK IT ALSO MAKES MORE ROOM FOR THE STAIR TO BE ENJOYED FROM THE LIVING ROOM.
'CAUSE THE STAIR IS A WONDERFUL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE, AND RIGHT NOW WITH ALL OF THE DIVISIONS OF THE FRENCH DOORS AND THE UNEVEN SPACING AND, UM, IT'S HARD TO REALLY APPRECIATE THAT OR APPRECIATE THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FRONT HALL FROM THE REST OF THE HOUSE.
SO I THINK THAT'LL HELP WITH THAT TOO.
UH, MY, MY MAJOR, THE LAST AND MAJOR CONCERN IS THAT ADDITION OF A GARAGE ON THE SIDE.
AND, UH, IT TOTALLY, I KNOW THAT YOU, YOU NEED TO HAVE IT TO A FUNCTIONAL HOUSE.
UH, BUT IS, IS THERE SOME WAY IT COULD BE, UH, ADDED IN A WAY SO THAT IT DOES NOT LOOK IN FRONT ELEVATION? WELL, THE PROBLEM IS THAT, UM, IT, THAT WE CAN'T HAVE THE, YOU CAN'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY IN THE SETBACK AND WHERE THE WAY THE HOUSE IS PLACED ON THE PROPERTY, WE CAN JUST BARELY FIT A TWO CAR GARAGE IN BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE SETBACK.
AND SO WE CAN'T HAVE THE DOORS ON THE SIDE BECAUSE THEN THE DRIVEWAY WOULD HAVE TO GO UP THE SIDE THROUGH THE SETBACK.
UM, AND IT'S JUST DEEP ENOUGH THE WAY WE'VE DRAWN IT TO HAVE CARS, UM, UH, HAVE CARS, UH, PULL IN AND BE ABLE TO LEAVE SAFELY AND GO AROUND THE, UH, EXTENSION OF THE FRONT PORCH.
SO, UM, UH, WE WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE PUT THE, THE, THE DOORS ON THE SIDE, BUT IT ISN'T ALLOWED, UM, BY THE, UH, CURRENT CODE, UH, WELL, AND ACCESS.
BUT IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE THE GARAGE, UH, SINCE YOU HAVE A VERY LARGE PROPERTY? UH, AND I DON'T KNOW THE, UH, HOW THE LEASE KIND OF MANAGE THE CARS IN, IN, IN, IN, IN, ON THE PROPERTY AND IN A HOUSE, BUT IT WOULD BE, IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE THE GARAGE SORT OF TUCKED BEHIND THE HOUSE AND HAVE THE DRIVE, HAVE THE SORT OF DRIVEWAY GOES INTO THE, UH, BACK OF IT, AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE A GARAGE FACING TO THE, UH, TO THE PROPERTY.
SO IT WOULD NOT REALLY, UH, UH, IT, IT, IT WOULDN'T, IT'LL KEEP THE ORIGINAL CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS, UH, I THINK IT MAKES IT A VERY, UH, UM, VERY MAGNIFICENT HOUSE, UH, WITH A, UH, VERY SYMMETRICAL, UH, ELEVATION.
UH, AND, UH, I THINK IT'LL ALSO ADD IT AT ITS SPACIOUSNESS FALLING AROUND.
SO, UM, WE CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT IT BEHIND THE LIVING ROOM BECAUSE THAT WOULD BLOCK, THERE ARE ONLY FOUR, UH, SOURCES OF LIGHT IN THE LIVING ROOM, UM, THE DOORS AT THE, UM, AT EACH END.
SO WE CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT A GARAGE TO BLOCK THAT.
AND THEN THE FAMILY LIVING SPACES ACROSS THE BACK OF THE HOUSE LOOKING OUT TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY THE YARD.
AND I THINK THAT PLACING A GARAGE BACK THERE WOULD ALSO NOT BE WHAT THE FAMILY WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT.
UM, WE THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING THE GARAGE ON THE OTHER SIDE NEAR THE KITCHEN, BUT WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM AS, AS YOU, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE IS A SUBDIVISION, UM, APPROVAL IN THE PROCESS.
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AND, UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, VANESSA'S WANTED TO CONTINUE, UM, TO DO AND WHAT MRS. CLARK HAD ORIGINALLY PLANNED TO DO.UM, AND IF THE SUB WITH THE SUBDIVISION, THERE IS NOT ROOM FOR THE, UM, FOR A GARAGE TO BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
SO, UM, WE FELT THAT THIS REALLY WAS THE, THE BEST OPTION TO PRESERVE THE, THE FRONT PORCH TO PUT THE GARAGE AS FAR BACK AS POSSIBLE ON THE PROPERTY SO THAT IT, UH, ON THE HA ON THE ELEVATION, SO THAT IT HAD AS, AS LITTLE IMPACT AS POSSIBLE ON THE, UM, FRONT ELEVATION AND, UM, ON AN ELEVATION THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY WINDOWS.
AND, UM, ALSO NEXT TO A FLAG LOT DRIVEWAY, SO IT WOULDN'T BOTHER, UH, ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS AND ALSO, AND THEN IT WOULD PRESERVE THE VIEWS AND THE LIGHT TO THE WEST FOR THE FAMILY, FROM THE FAMILY LIVING PORT.
SO, UM, WE FELT THAT IT WAS THE BEST COMPROMISE, UM, TAKING ALL OF THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION.
IF I'M LOOKING AT THIS CORRECTLY THOUGH, THERE IS NO, THERE'S A BACK, THERE'S AN EXIT AT THE BACK OF THE GARAGE.
BUT THERE'S NO WAY FROM GETTING FROM THE GARAGE INTO THE HOUSE.
YOU HAVE TO GO ACROSS THE BACK PORCH, LEMME TELL YOU, I, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO DO WITH MY GARAGE.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT? WHEN IT'S COLD AND WET AND SLIPPERY, IT'S DANGEROUS.
THIS IS, UH, THIS IS A COVERED, COVERED PORCH, UM, THAT EXTENDS TO THE DOORS THAT GO INTO THE FAMILY LIVING SPACE, UM, FROM UNDER, UNDER, UNDER THE ROOF.
AND THE, WE, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, IT'S NOT AS CONVENIENT AS IF THE GARAGE WERE ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE, BUT THE OWNERS FELT THAT THIS WAS THE BEST COMPROMISE TO, UM, MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF THE LIVING ROOM AND THE, AND THE DOORS AT EACH END AND TO, UH, MAINTAIN THE, UM, THE FRONT PORCH BECAUSE WE, OUR ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO, TO, TO TUCK THE GARAGE INTO THE L CREATED BY THE KITCHEN AND THE DINING ROOM, BUT THAT WOULD'VE HAD MORE OF AN IMPACT ON THE PORCH.
AND WE FELT THAT THAT WAS LESS DESIRABLE, BOTH IN TERMS OF WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE, HOW CLOSE IT WAS TO THE FRONT ELEVATION, AND, UM, AND WITH, AND, AND, AND BESIDES THAT, IT, THE, UM, THE DRIVEWAY WOULD HAVE TO BE IN THE SETBACK ON THAT SIDE AS WELL.
SO THIS IS THE ONLY LOCATION THAT, UM, THEY FELT MET ALL OF THEIR REQUIREMENTS AND ALSO COULD BE DONE WITHOUT, UM, UH, HAVING A PROBLEM WITH THE, UM, WITH SETBACKS.
NOW, THE, THE PATIO THAT IT'S GOING OUT ONTO, IS THAT ALREADY A COVERED PATIO OR ARE YOU GOING, ARE THEY GOING TO MAKE IT A, IT'S ALREADY A COVERED PATIO, A COVERED PATIO ALREADY? YES, IT'S ALREADY A COVERED PATIO.
YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE PHOTOS THAT I INCLUDED IN THE, UM, IN THE PACKET THAT I GAVE.
UM, THE, THE CURRENT SIDE OF NORTH SIDE OF THE WRAPAROUND PORCH STOPS AT THE END OF THE LIVING ROOM, AND THEN THAT PORCH EXTENDS BEYOND THE LIVING ROOM AND EXISTS THERE WITH THAT, UM, UH, WITH AN OVERHANG THERE.
WE'RE ADDING THE COVERED PORCH FROM THERE TO THE NEW DOORS INTO THE, INTO THE KITCHEN FAMILY ROOM AREA.
I JUST HAVE ONE MORE, UH, I'M BEING ARCHITECT.
I CANNOT LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY OF, UH, UH, ACHIEVING THE KIND OF THINGS THAT YOU WANTED TO HAVE IT.
AND WHAT I KIND OF SEE AS A, UH, SORT OF MAJOR, UH, UH, DRAWBACK IN WHAT I HAVE YOUR PROPOSED FOR THE GARAGE.
UH, WAS THERE EVER ANY TIME A GARAGE ON THIS PROPERTY? THERE WAS A PORT, THERE WAS A PORT KOSHER, BUT THERE WAS NEVER, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, A GARAGE, UH, OKAY.
UH, AND YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD LIKE TO PRESERVE ROOM FOR THE POTENTIAL FOR A POOL IN THE BACK AND FOR PLAY SPACE FOR THEIR FAMILY.
AND SO, UM, THAT ALSO, YOU KNOW, SPEAKS TO LOCATION.
UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MENTION THAT, YOU KNOW, THE GARAGE AS WE HAVE PLACED IT IS MORE THAN 25 FEET, BUT IT'S ABOUT 25 FEET BACK FROM THE FRONT FACE OF THE HOUSE, AND THEN THEREFORE ON A, ABOUT 32 FEET BACK FROM THE FRONT PORCH.
SO IT'S QUITE, QUITE FAR IN THE, IN THE BACKGROUND THERE.
IT'S HARD TO TELL THAT FROM THE DRAWING, BUT, UM, AS, AS THERE'S
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A LOT OF, THERE ARE A LOT OF TREES ON THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IT IS ACTUALLY, UM, GOING TO HAVE FAIRLY MINIMAL IMPACT ON, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE RETAINED THE PART OF THE PORCH THAT EXTENDS TO THE NORTH, BEYOND THE NORTHWEST CORNER OR NORTHEAST CORNER, SO THAT IT, IT GIVES THE APPEARANCE THAT THE, THAT THE PORCH IS, IS CONTINUOUS THERE.UM, BILL, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UM, WOULD YOU ADD SOME COMMENTARY TO THIS, PLEASE? UH, I WOULD JUST SAY I THINK THAT THE, THE NEW OWNERS HAVE DONE A VERY REASONABLE JOB IN TRYING TO MAINTAIN AS MUCH AS THEY CAN OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE.
AND I THINK ANYTHING MORE THEY CAN DO WOULD BE GREAT.
BUT WHAT I SEE IS, UH, PRETTY DARN GOOD.
I HAVE, UM, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD, CINDY.
CAN I JUST, I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
STATEMENT, UM, IN THE HALLWAY, LET'S SEE, UM, THE DIVIDER, THE, THE, UM, THE GLASS.
OH, THE GLASS PANELS WITH THE COPPER, RIGHT.
THEY CAN GO, GO ON THE BOTTOM.
THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE GOING TO, ONE FIREPLACE IS CLOSED AND NOT FUNCTIONAL.
UM, I, DID YOU HAVE INTENTIONS OF REMOVING THAT OR NO, THE FIREPLACE? NO.
AND THE, UM, THE PICTURE UNDER IT SHOWS WHERE EVIDENTLY A, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IS, WAS A, A WALL TAKEN DOWN, DO YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY.
WHERE THERE, UH, THE PICTURE UNDERNEATH OF WHERE THE COLUMNS ARE IN THE LIVING ROOM TO THE, I GUESS THE, UH, STUDIO OR A DEN AREA.
OH, FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
OH, WHERE WE, WHERE WE WROTE FAMILY ROOM, THAT PHOTO THAT, THAT PART OF THE HOUSE.
WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON? HOLD ON.
THE FAMILY ROOM IS PART OF THE KITCHEN, ISN'T IT? THERE THERE WAS ANOTHER, IF YOU GO TO THE EXISTING PLAN, I BELIEVE IT'S ON A, UH, A THREE.
I'M WORKING AT A DISADVANTAGE HERE.
I'M ACTUALLY IN MY OFFICE AND NOT AT THE, UH, MY HOME DESK.
THAT, SO THERE IS A ROOM THERE THAT IS A SEPARATE ROOM.
UM, THAT'S WAS KIND OF LIKE A OFFICE STUDY.
AND IT'S SOME POINT, IT HAD, UH, BOOKCASES WERE ADDED AROUND THE ROOM, BUT IT IS DEF DEFINITELY NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE.
UM, THE ROOM WAS, I'M SURE, BUT THE, BUT IT DIDN'T HAVE THE, THE, THE, UM, THE BOOKCASES ARE CLEARLY NEW, UM, AND, UM, CAN, YOU CAN TELL THAT BY THE WAY THEY WERE BUILT? YEAH, NO, I, I REMEMBER SEEING THEM.
UM, AND NOW WHEN YOU TAKE, AND ARE YOU TAKING OUT THAT FIREPLACE THAT'S IN THE KIT, THE, UH, KITCHEN AREA? YES.
BUT THAT WOULDN'T HURT ANYTHING STRUCTURALLY, CORRECT? NO, I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE, UM, WE WILL DO INFILL, UM, STRUCTURAL WORK WHERE IT'S COMING OUT AND AT THE ROOF.
WE'RE PLANNING TO, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE ELEVATION THAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN, WE'RE ADDING A MATCHING DORMER WHERE WE'VE, UM, TAKEN OUT THE CHIMNEY.
RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY THERE ARE ONLY TWO DORMERS ON THAT FLOOR, AND, UM, WE'RE ADDING THE THIRD.
AND, AND I HOPE YOU SEE THAT ON THE ORIGINAL BLOCK OF THE HOUSE.
WE HAVE NOT CHANGED ANY OF THE WINDOWS OTHER THAN TO ADD THIS ONE DORMER, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE BEDROOM WINDOWS, THE HALL WINDOWS, THE ORIGINAL DORMER WINDOWS.
WE HAVEN'T TOUCHED ANY OF THOSE.
WE, EVERYTHING IS STAYING AS, UM, AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY.
NOW, ON THE FRONT, ON THE FRONT, ON THE FRONT PORCH, ON IN THE FRONT DOOR, YOU HAVE A DOOR THERE THAT HAS 2, 4, 6 8 SQUARES, AND THEN THE TRANSIT AT THE TOP.
IS THAT THE TYPE OF DOOR YOU'RE PUTTING IT IN, BECAUSE THAT YEAH.
THAT DOESN'T REALLY GO WITH THE PERIOD OF THE HOUSE? WELL, ACTUALLY, THE, THE, WELL, THE ORIGINAL DOORS WERE ACTUALLY PANELED DOORS.
UM, THEY DID HAVE GLASS, UM, GLASS IN THEM, UH, SMALL.
ARE THOSE GLA, THE, THOSE THE LITTLE SQUARES, DO THEY HAVE GLASS IN THEM OR ARE THEY SOLID? NO, NO, THEY'RE SOLID WOOD PANELING.
UM, LIKE THE PANELS THAT ARE ON THE, THE DOORS NOW.
AND THEN YOU'RE LEAVING THE, ARE THOSE
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THE WINDOWS THAT ARE THERE? YOU'RE NOT TOUCHING THEM, ARE YOU? THE ONLY ONES WE, THERE'S ORIGINAL WINDOWS IN THE LIVING ROOM.THE, THOSE ARE DOORS IN THE LIVING ROOM NOW, AND THEY'RE GOING TO STAY DOORS.
ONE OF THOSE PAIRS OF DOORS HAS BEEN CUT, UH, ACROSS THE BOTTOM AND AN AIR CONDITIONER STUCK OUT OF IT.
I THINK YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE THAT IN ONE OF THE PHOTOS THAT I INCLUDED.
UM, AND THE, THE ONE CHANGE IS THE DINING ROOM.
THE DINING ROOM CURRENTLY HAS TWO WINDOWS IN IT.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THOSE TWO DOORS, WHICH I THINK LOOKS LIKE HOW THE HOUSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ORIGINALLY, EVEN IF IT, IT, IT'S, IT JUST SEEMS VERY BALANCED.
COULD I SAY SOMETHING? OF COURSE.
UM, I'M, I'M HAVING TROUBLE WITH MY RECEPTION HERE,
UH, I THINK THOSE WINDOWS IN THE DINING ROOM WERE DEFINITELY ORIGINAL.
UM, THEY HAVE THE OLD POURED GLASS IN THEM, AND THE, THE WOOD PANELS BELOW ARE REPEATED THAT I THINK THAT THEY WERE DESIGNED FOR THE DINING ROOM.
THEY WERE REPEATED, UH, UNDER THE FRONT TWO WINDOWS ON THE SIDE WINDOW.
AND THEN AT, AT ONE TIME, THE DINING ROOM EXTENDED INTO WHAT'S NOW THE MUD ROOM.
THIS IS, UH, THERE'S ANOTHER WINDOW THERE THAT HAD THE WOOD PANELS THERE.
SO THEY WERE, THEY WERE ORIGINAL FEATURES.
UM, THAT, THAT'S ONE THING I WANTED TO SAY.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE FIREPLACE IN THE MUD ROOM, UH, WAS NOT PUT IN IT, IT WAS ORIGINAL.
WE FOUND IT, IT HAD BEEN COVERED OVER BY, UM, UH, PLYWOOD PANELING.
AND, AND I WAS SURE THERE WAS A FIREPLACE THERE.
AND WE, WE OPENED IT UP AND WE FOUND IT, AND WE INDEED FOUND THE OLD FIREPLACE.
THE ONLY THING CHANGED IS THAT THE FRONT THAT THE BRICK FACING, THE BRICK FACING ON THAT FIREPLACE WAS VERY DAMAGED.
SO WE PUT IN NEW BRICK FACING IN THE SAME PATTERN AS THE OLD BRICK FACING.
SO THAT, THAT, THAT WAS DEFINITELY AN ORIGINAL FEATURE OF THE HOUSE, NOT, NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS ADDED.
UM, I WASN'T TRYING TO INDICATE THAT IT WAS ADDED, BUT THAT MORE, MORE THAT IT WAS RENOVATED IN THE SEVENTIES, THAT IT WASN'T, UM, ORIGINAL.
THE, THE, IT WAS THE ORIGINAL PATTERN OF THE BRICK AND THE, ALL, ALL THE BACK, BACK PART OF THE FIREPLACE IS THE ORIGINAL BRICK.
THE, UH, THE ORIGINAL BRICK IS THERE, BUT IT JUST HAS A NEW FACING ON THE FRONT OF IT.
BUT IS IT, IS THE OLD FIREPLACE, WHICH WAS USED, UH, FOR THE, THE KITCHEN AND THE MUD ROOM AREA.
UM, THE, AS FAR AS THE STAIRWAY TO THE BASEMENT GOES, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD, UH, CONSIDERED DOING.
WE HAD AN ARCHITECT DRIVE UP DROP PLANS FOR IT.
AND, AND THAT I, I CONSIDER THAT VERY DESIRABLE TO PUT THE, THAT STAIRWAY DOWN INTO THE BASEMENT, UH, UH, MUCH BETTER THAN THE CURRENT ENTRANCE TO THE BASEMENT.
LOUIS, MAY I ASK YOUR OPINION ABOUT THE, THE GARAGE ADDITION SINCE YOU LIVED THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND NEVER ADDED A GARAGE? WE, WE, WE
WE CONSIDERED EXCAVATING UNDER THE KITCHEN FOR THE GARAGE AND, AND, UH, BEING ENTERED ABLE TO ENTER THE BASEMENT FROM THE, FROM THE GARAGE, BUT WE DIDN'T DO IT.
THERE, THERE WAS A GARAGE ON THE PROPERTY, BUT IT, IT WOULDN'T BE A FUNCTIONING GARAGE.
TODAY, IT'S IN VERY BAD SHAPE.
IT WAS A, UM, AN ANCIENT METALLIC GARAGE THAT SITS AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
BUT, UH, WE WERE ONLY ABLE TO USE IT FOR GARDEN TOOLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT, IT WAS TOO SMALL FOR MODERN CARS.
SO IT WAS A DETACHED GARAGE, UH, AT THE END OF THE PROPERTY, UH, UH, UH, THERE WAS A DETACHED GARAGE AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, AND ACCESS WAS FROM THE SIDE OF IT, OR? WELL, THERE WAS
THE, UH, SINCE WE WERE THERE, THERE WAS NO LONGER ACCESS.
IT HAD NOT BEEN USED AS A GARAGE FOR A LONG TIME, SO THERE WAS NO DRIVEWAY LEADING TO US.
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USED A PARKING AREA IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND, AND NEVER HAD A GARAGE.I MEAN, UM, IF THERE'S NO MORE MM-HMM.
NO, I WISH THE NEW OWNER CAN CONSIDER SOME ALTERNATE THAT, UH, UH, LOUIS MANAGED FOR 50 YEARS IN HER HOUSE.
SO
WELL, BUT IT, IT, I, I NEED TO AGREE, AND I HAVE NOTES FROM ARMENIA THAT IT, UM, IT SEEMS TO BE AN INTRUSION.
AND SO I HAVE, I, IN LISTENING TO EVERYBODY, I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS, BUT I'D LIKE TO READ WHAT ARMENIA HAS TO SAY AND THEN I'LL CHIME IN.
UM, WHAT THE FIRST, UH, ON TWO 50 FORT HILL ROAD, SHE SAYS, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ON THE DRAWINGS.
ONE WAS THE WRAPAROUND PORCH THAT IS ON THREE SIDES OF THE HOUSE, AN ORIGINAL FEATURE OF THE HOUSE.
UH, C COULD I COMMENT ON THAT? PLEASE DO, LOUISE.
'CAUSE I HAVE TO REPORT BACK TO ARMENIA WHEN SHE RETURNS.
UH, IS, I CAN TELL FROM THE, THE DRAWINGS THAT THE ORIGINAL OWNER DID OF THE HOUSE, THEY'RE VERY, VERY ROUGH.
BUT I, I BELIEVE THE PORCH, UH, ONCE EXTENDED IT.
UH, THERE WAS A PORCH, BUT IT WAS ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND NOT DOWN THE SIDES.
UM, I THINK THE WRAPAROUND PORCH WAS, UH, IT, IT, I, I THINK IT, THE, THE DAUGHTER OF CYRUS FIELD, THE MAN WHO LAID THIS TRANSATLANTIC CABLE, THE, THE DAUGHTER-IN-LAW, I BELIEVE, UH, OWNED THE HOUSE AT THE TURN OF THE CENTURY.
AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, SHE'S THE ONE WHO DID A LOT OF, UH, UM, MODERNIZATION.
SHE, I THINK SHE ADDED THE WRAPAROUND PORCH, AND, AND THE HOUSE WAS PROBABLY STOCK OUTED AT THAT TIME.
UM, AND I THINK PROBABLY SHE'S THE ONE WHO PUT IN THE, THE, THE STAINED GLASS WINDOWS AND, AND, AND, AND THE FLOORING AND THOSE FEATURES.
UM, THE, THE FRONT, THE, THE FRONT DOOR, THE PRESENT FRONT DOOR HAS, UM, UH, IT HAS, UM, IT DOES HAVE WINDOWS, UH, ON IT, UH, THROUGH WHICH THE VERTI VERTICAL, UH, THROUGH WHICH, UH, UH, THE KIND OF GLASS IS THAT HOBNAIL GLASS THAT YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH.
I KNOW, BUT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO.
BUT LOUIS, THAT, UH, UH, ORIGINAL DOOR, I, I MEAN, THE ENTRANCE DOOR IS ORIGINAL OR WAS ADDED.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CLEARLY VERY OLD, BUT I DON'T KNOW, UH, OKAY.
WHETHER THEY WERE THE ORIGINAL DOORS OR NOT.
THE, THE, UH, THE DOORWAY WAS EQUIPPED WITH A, UM, UH, A BELL, UH, THE, THE DOOR, A, A DOORBELL THAT YOU PULLED OH,
AND, UM, UM, I THINK THE DOORS ARE ORIGINAL, BUT I'M NOT POSITIVE.
UM, SHE WANTS TO KNOW IF THE, UM, GARAGE COULD BE A ONE AND A HALF CAR GARAGE SO THAT THE, UM, THIRD SIDE OF THE WRAPAROUND PORCH COULD BE MAINTAINED.
WELL, WHO, WHO'S GONNA BE THE ONE TO TELL MY WIFE SHE CAN'T PUT A CAR IN THE GARAGE?
UM, I WILL, I WILL PUT A QUESTION MARK IN HER ARMENIA CAN DEAL WITH THAT WHEN SHE GETS BACK POINT.
WELL, LET, LET, LET ME ANSWER THAT A A LITTLE, A LITTLE, A LITTLE, A LITTLE BETTER THAN THAT THOUGH.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF I, IF I GO THROUGH THE EXPENSE, SORRY, IF I GO THROUGH THE EXPENSE OF BUILDING, YOU KNOW, TO, TO SAVE EIGHT FEET, THE DIFFERENCE, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
'CAUSE IT, THE, THE WAY IT'S GONNA BE BACK, IT'S GONNA BE HIDDEN BACK THERE ANYWAY.
I DON'T THINK THAT EIGHT FEET THAT FAR BACK IN THE PROPERTY WILL MAKE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE IN, YOU KNOW, TO, TO NOT HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE IN THE YEAR TWO, YOU KNOW, 2021, IT'S IN, IN A PROPERTY THAT'S THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE IS KIND OF, I DON'T KNOW.
SO I, I WOULD THINK, OKAY, I WILL, I'VE TAKEN NOTE OF THAT, SIR.
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HER FOURTH POINT IS THE DINING ROOM WINDOWS HAVE UNIQUE GLASS, AND AS YOU I RECALL FROM VISITING THE HOUSE, AND IN ALL LIKELIHOOD ARE ORIGINAL, THESE ARE BEING CHANGED TO FRENCH DOORS TO MATCH THE LIVING ROOM SIDE.WERE THE LIVING ROOM DOORS OUT TO THE FRONT.
NOW YOU HAVE, NOW LET ME, LET ME UM, SAY SOMETHING HERE.
LOUISE LIVED IN THE HOUSE, BY MY RECOLLECTION, 53 YEARS.
THAT AUTOMATICALLY FULFILLS THE 50 YEAR REQUIREMENT.
SO IF THE DOORS AND THE WINDOWS OR THE FRONT THE DOORS WERE CHANGED, THE BEGINNING OF THE 19 HUNDREDS, THAT STILL IS CONSIDERED A HISTORIC FEATURE.
IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN FROM THE 1850, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO CONSULT, UM, NEW YORK STATE ON HOW THEY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
SO CAN YOU SOMEBODY TELL ME WHETHER FOR ARMENIA, WHETHER THE LIVING ROOM DOORS THAT I CAN SEE, THEY'D WANT CROSS VENTILATION THAT WENT OUT TO THE FRONT PORCH, AN ORIGINAL FEATURE? LOUISE, CINDY, ANYBODY WANNA HELP? I, I ALWAYS, I ALWAYS BELIEVED THEY WERE BECAUSE THEY HAD THE POURED GLASS.
UH, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND ABOUT CUTTING ONE OF THE DOORS.
IT WAS ONLY THE, THE DOORS WERE NOT CUT.
THE DOORS ARE, BOTH DOORS ARE THE SAME.
UH, IT WAS ONLY THE, UH, THE STORM WINDOW HAD TO BE RAISED AND TO HAVE AN AIR CONDITIONER THERE, IT WAS, UM, IT DIDN'T AFFECT ANYTHING INSIDE.
AND ALL THE DOORS WERE ABLE TO BE SHUT NOW.
SO, SO THAT YOU WANNA ANSWER THAT? YEAH.
SO THOSE, THOSE, THOSE DOORS, I WOULD, MY ASSUMPTION WAS ALWAYS THAT THEY WERE ORIGINAL.
I THINK THAT MAY HAVE BEEN THE ASSUMPTION OF NEW YORK STATE TOO, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO GO THERE.
UM, I HAVE ANOTHER, UH, OR I DON'T, ARMENIA DOES, I'LL GET TO MY QUESTIONS IN A MOMENT.
THE FIFTH POINT SHE HAS TO MAKE IS ONENOTE INDICATES THERE WILL BE REPLACEMENT WOOD WINDOWS WITH CARE TO PROTECT INTERIOR CASING, TRIM AND SILLS.
WILL THE WINDOWS THEMSELVES BE REMOVED WITH THE SAME CARE FOR REPURPOSING THOSE HISTORIC ONES, ESPECIALLY THOSE WITH UNIQUE ORIGINAL GLASS FEATURES? UH, YEAH.
I THINK I ALREADY, UM, ANSWERED THAT, THAT YES, WE, WE WANT TO REUSE THEM.
UM, AND SO WE WILL BE TAKING THEM OUT WITH CARE.
THE, THE TWO THAT I INCLUDED, THE PHOTOS OF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY BATHROOM WINDOWS.
UM, AND WE WILL SURELY TAKE THEM OUT WITH CARE TO PRESERVE THEM SO THAT THEY CAN BE, HE'S NOT TALKING ABOUT THOSE CINDY, SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE WINDOWS IN THE DINING ROOM AND THE LIVING ROOM, PARTICULARLY THE DINING ROOM HAVE THE ORIGINAL GLASS.
THE, AND HOW ARE THOSE GOING TO BE PRESERVED? APPEARS TO BE ARMENIA QUESTION.
WE WERE NOT PLANNING TO PRESERVE THOSE.
WE NEED TO MEET THE NEW YORK ENERGY CODE WITH REPLACEMENT WINDOWS, WHICH DO NOT HAVE THE HISTORICAL GLASS.
THEY ARE DOUBLE GLAZED WINDOWS, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE THE SAME SIZE, SHAPE, AND DIVISION OF LIGHTS THAT THE EXISTING DOORS AND WINDOWS HAVE.
UM, THE, THE EXCEPTION OF COURSE BEING THOSE TWO WINDOWS IN THE DINING ROOM THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE BE AS DOORS ALSO FOR, FOR CIRCULATION, FOR BALANCE.
UM, YES, I SEE THAT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THEY WERE ORIGINALLY ALWAYS WINDOWS.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, A, A REQUEST THAT THE, UH, HOMEOWNER HAS.
I WILL, UM, I WILL, I WILL TAKE THIS ARMENIA'S NOTE ON THIS AND GO INTO MY QUESTIONS.
I SPENT THREE DAYS WITH NEW YORK STATE, HALF ONE DAY OF WHICH WAS ON NOTHING BUT WINDOWS AND THE ABILITY TO REPURPOSE AN EXISTING WINDOW TO MEET CODE.
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I HAVE THE NAME OF ALL THESE PEOPLE.
SHOULD YOU BE INTERESTED BECAUSE ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT FEATURES ARMENIA APPARENTLY AGREES, UM, IS THE ORIGINAL GLASS IN THESE WINDOWS.
AND I THINK THAT IT, I, I MEAN I SPENT, AND SO DID SHE, AND I BELIEVE KARI AND ANNETTE AS WELL, SPENT A GOOD FOUR HOURS LEARNING ABOUT WINDOWS AND HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE AND HOW THEY CAN BE REUSED SO THAT THEY HAVE THE EXACT FEATURES,
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BUT MEET THE STANDARDS OF THE HOMEOWNER.AND I, FOR ONE, WOULD APPRECIATE BEING EXPLORED.
I'M PERFECTLY HAPPY TO SHARE WITH YOU.
I HAVE IT ALL IN THE NOTEBOOK, ALL THE PEOPLE WHO DID THE SPEAKING.
UM, I HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS OF MY OWN.
UM, I AM ASSUMING THAT THE, UM, BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU'VE SAID THAT THE BANISTER AND THE, I GUESS THE RENEWAL POSTS AND THE FRONT, THE GORGEOUS FRONT STAIRWAY IS JUST, IS GOING TO BE RE REHABBED SO THAT IT, ANY PART THAT ISN'T STURDY IS STURDY, BUT IT WILL REMAIN AS IT IS.
IS THAT AM AM I ASSUMING CORRECTLY? YES.
UM, I NEED TO GO BACK TO THAT FIREPLACE AND THE CHIMNEYS THAT ARE IN THE STUDY, THE FAMILY ROOM RIGHT NEXT TO THE KITCHEN.
UM, AS I SAID, I HAVE BEEN IN THAT HOUSE MANY TIMES.
I, I, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT HAPPY TRUTH BE TOLD WITH REMOVING ORIGINAL FIREPLACES.
BUT WHY NOW? TELL ME WHY THE CHIMNEY COULDN'T STAY THERE.
BECAUSE IN 1850, PRETTY MUCH THROUGH THE NINE, THE BEGINNING OF THE 19 HUNDREDS FIREPLACES IN HOMES OF THIS PROPORTION, AND IT IS A LARGE HOUSE.
UM, WE'RE USED FOR HEAT AND I'M IN A SMALL HOUSE.
I, I CAN GIVE YOU, I'M IN A, A, A TINY HOUSE, BUT AN ORIGINAL FISHERMAN'S COTTAGE.
UM, I'M COMING TO YOU FROM FLORIDA AT THE MOMENT BECAUSE I CAN'T GET BACK INTO NEW YORK STATE.
UM, AND WHEN THE HOUSE WAS RENOVATED AND ADDED ONTO TO, ALTHOUGH THE FIREPLACE WASN'T THERE ANYMORE, THE CHIMNEY REMAINED BECAUSE IT WAS THE FOCAL POINT OF THE ORIGINAL SECTION OF THE HOUSE.
WHY CAN'T WE KEEP THE FIRE IF WE'RE NOT KEEPING THE FIREPLACE? AND I REITERATE, I'M VERY UNHAPPY.
WHY CAN'T WE KEEP THE CHIMNEY SO THAT IT, IT'D BE THE OUTSIDE LOOKS LIKE THE ERA FROM WHICH IT CAME.
WELL, I WOULD SAY A COUPLE THINGS.
ONE IS THAT WE CAN KEEP IT, UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A STRUCTURAL, UM, HEADACHE I WOULD GUESS YOU WOULD SAY, BUT IT CAN, IT CAN DEFINITELY BE KEPT.
UM, THE, THE FIREPLACES ABOVE IT ARE NOT, ARE CLOSED, RIGHT? THEY'RE CLOSED, YEAH.
THE TWO FIREPLACES ABOVE IT ARE CLOSED AND NON-FUNCTIONAL.
UM, WE DON'T NEED THEM TO HEAT THE HOUSE, AND IN FACT, THAT CHIMNEY DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE OTHERS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE.
IT'S BEEN, UM, COVERED WITH STUCCO.
UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE ORIGINAL BRICK OR RECESSED BRICK PANEL THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THE CHIMNEY NEXT TO IT.
UM, AND UH, IT'S ALSO IN A DIFFERENT PLACE ON THE ROOF.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTOS, IT COMES OUT OF THE ROOF LOWER IN THE SLOPE THAN THE ONE AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
SO IT DOES NOT MATCH THE ONE IN THE DINING ROOM, THE ONE, THE CHIMNEY THAT COMES UP THROUGH THE DINING ROOM.
SO IT SEEMED TO US THAT, UM, PERHAPS IT WAS MORE BENEFIT TO THE HOMEOWNER INTO THE HOUSE, TO, UM, CREATE A, UM, MATCHING DORMER IN THAT LOCATION, WHICH WOULD BRING MORE LIGHT INTO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE THERE, AND ALSO WOULD, UH, ELIMINATE THE POSSIBILITY OF FUTURE ISSUES WITH AN UNUSED FIREPLACE COMING, VERY HEAVY MASONRY FIREPLACE COMING THROUGH SEVERAL FLOORS OF THE HOUSE OR, UM, THAT WAS NOT BEING USED.
HOWEVER, IF THERE ARE MAJOR OBJECTIONS TO IT, WE CAN LEAVE IT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO BUILD THE DORMER.
WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO SUPPORT IT, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE IT, IT HAS BEEN STUCCO OVER AND IT IS NOT, UH, ANY LONGER IN ITS ORIGINAL CONDITION.
UM, WELL, WE COULD TAKE THE STUCCO OFF, I WOULD IMAGINE.
UM, I, I'M JUST, I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT.
WE HAVE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE AS A GROUP HAVE NOT DISCUSSED VERY MUCH OF ANYTHING.
UM, I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE FIREPLACES THOUGH.
UM, EVEN AN UNUSED FIREPLACE IS PARTICULARLY ONE DATING BACK FROM ANYWHERE FROM 1850 TO 1900, I WOULD THINK WOULD BE MORE AESTHETICALLY VALUABLE THAN A WALL.
WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN IS, I, I HEARD YOU SAY, AND I KNOW THAT THE MANTLE IN ONE OF THE FIREPLACES IN THE, UM, LIVING ROOM NEEDS REPAIR.
I PRESUME YOU'RE GOING TO REPAIR THAT AND THE SURROUNDS IT OF IT, OR ARE YOU,
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BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IT'S MARBLE AND PROBABLY ORIGINAL.WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS FOR THAT? UM, IT'S ALL BROKEN.
IT, IT'S IN, IT'S IN, IT'S AN EXTREMELY POOR REPAIR.
YES, IT'S VERY HARD TO REPAIR MARBLE FOR IT TO, TO LOOK, UM, LIKE IT DID ORIGINALLY.
IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO RECREATE IT, BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S IN REPAIRABLE SHAPE.
UM, BUT I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR FIREPLACES THAT I WAS MENTIONING BEFORE.
I BELIEVE BOTH OF THOSE ARE CLOSED UP.
AND WHEN I SAID UNUSED, I MEANT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE UNUSED IN THAT THEY HAVE BEEN CLOSED UP, UM, RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND.
SO THERE'S NOTHING TO PRESERVE THERE.
UM,
UM, OKAY, I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE, UM, OKAY.
AS MUCH AS I LIKE THE HOUSE, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO MAKE BIGGER ROOMS AND MORE BATHROOMS AND MORE CLOSET SPACE ON THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR.
AS I SAID, I DO KNOW THE HOUSE.
I, MY CONCERN IS THE FIRST FLOOR.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED ABOUT THE, UM, FIREPLACES AND THE MANTLE PIECES.
UM, IT APPEARS THAT ALL OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE IN SOME WAY, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE INDICATIVE OF THE TIME WHEN THE HOUSE WAS BUILT, ALTERED QUITE YOUR APPARENTLY, AND THERE'S NO WAY TO PRESERVE SOME OF THEM.
SO WE, WE AREN'T ALTERING THE DINING ROOM OR THE LIVING ROOM.
WE, WE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY ARE, YOU CAN SEE ON THE PLAN THE HEARTH IS STAYING.
UM, WE HAVE NO PLANS TO, TO TRY TO GET RID OF THEM.
CERTAINLY, UM, THEY, THEY'RE INTERESTING FEATURES OF THE HOUSE, BUT THE SURROUNDS DO NEED TO BE REPAIRED OR REPLACED BECAUSE, UM, OF THE CONDITION THAT THEY'RE IN.
UM, AND THE OTHER ONE IN THE LIVING ROOM IS, YOU KNOW, IS, IS, DOESN'T HAVE ANY DECORATIVE FEATURES ANY LONGER.
IT'S BEEN CLOSED UP AND THE, UH, DECORATIVE FEATURES HAVE BEEN REMOVED.
AT THIS POINT, WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO REOPEN IT OR TO OH, NO, TO, TO PUT ANY FOR FURTHER DECORATIVE FEATURES THERE.
AND THE, THE ONE IN THE, THAT YOU'RE UNHAPPY WITH IN THE MUD ROOM IS, UM, YOU KNOW, MY, MY STATEMENT WAS NOT THAT IT WAS, UM, A NEW FIREPLACE PREVIOUSLY.
I WAS TRYING TO STATE THAT THE FINISHES THAT YOU SEE OF IT ARE NOT THE, THE ORIGINAL, THE LOCATION OF THE FIREPLACE IS ORIGINAL.
THE, THE INTERIOR FIREBOX MAY OR MAY NOT BE ORIGINAL, BUT IT, THE, THE, THE, WHAT YOU SEE THERE IS NOT THE ORIGINAL, UM, VISUAL OF THE, OF THE ORIGINAL FIREPLACE.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY.
I I, I, BUT IT, IT'S THE VISUAL BECAUSE IT WAS COPIED EXACTLY FROM THE, BUT IT'S THAT WE STOVE IN IT.
AND IT'S, AND IT HAS A STOVE IN IT.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A STOVE ORIGINALLY, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY A NEW STOVE IN IT.
SO YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S, IT IS IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS BEFORE, BUT, UM, IT IS NOT THE ORIGINAL.
THAT WAS THE ONLY THING I WAS TRYING TO SAY, UH, IN OKAY.
UM, I HAVE, UM, I'M, I'M WATCHING THE TIME BECAUSE WE HAVE A TIME LIMIT AND MRS. JUTTER HAS ANOTHER MEETING TO GO TO OF THE TOWN BOARD, WHICH WILL END UP POSSIBLY, UM, WORKING WITH US AS WELL AS THE PLANNING BOARD, MAY OR MAY NOT.
UM, SO, UM, I HAVE, I STILL HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS AND THERE ARE, UM, POINTS THAT I WOULD BE GRATEFUL IF YOU, CINDY, AND MR. VANNESS WOULD, UM, WOULD EXPLORE.
UM, AND I'LL GIVE THEM TO YOU BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO LEAVE IN ABOUT THREE MINUTES.
I, I CANNOT OVERSTAY MY WELCOME HERE.
UM, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU'LL EXPLORE THE WIDTH OF HISTORIC FLOORBOARDS.
I MEAN, AND, AND IF, AND IF YOU CAN, AND IF THEY DON'T MAKE THEM ANYMORE, I ALSO THINK THAT, UM, I DON'T, I I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO GIVE YOU ANY INFORMATION THAT I HAVE ACCUMULATED, LIKE HOW TO GET AHOLD OF STEVE TILLEY IF YOU DON'T HAPPEN TO KNOW.
UM, HAVE A FRIEND WHO IS A HISTORIC ARCHITECT, HOW TO FIND SOMEBODY WHO CAN CHAT WITH YOU IN NEW YORK STATE.
THE GENTLEMAN WHO SPOKE ABOUT WINDOWS WAS JUST ABSOLUTELY KNOWLEDGEABLE.
I, I JUST, I COULDN'T GET DOWN ALL HE WAS TRYING TO TEACH ME IN THE FOUR HOURS HE WAS TRYING TO DO IT.
UM, I THINK I HAVE A VERY SEVERE PROBLEM.
I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR A GARAGE.
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I'D BE THE LAST ONE TO SAY I WANNA TAKE ICE AND SNOW OFF MY CAR.IT JUST, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN MY, MY WAY OF LIFE.
UM, THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT STANDS OUT AND I, AND PLEASE, I DON'T MEAN TO BE RUDE, BUT LIKE A SORE THUMB.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S AS FAR BACK AS YOU CAN DO IT.
I HEAR YOU SAY THAT IF YOU MADE THE SIDE FACING, I GUESS IT'S EAST, NOT THE DOORS, BUT A SOLID PANEL MATCHING THE HOUSE, IT WOULD BE BETTER.
BUT THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SETBACKS.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOU EXPLORE WHAT VARIANCES YOU POSSIBLY WOULD NEED TO ENCROACH UPON THE SETBACK SO THAT YOU COULD COME IN FROM THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THAT GARAGE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN THE PLANS OR THE DRIVEWAY.
I, I'M SURE I CAN GET THEM SENT TO ME.
UM, I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT DO A BIT IN, UM, MAKING CURT FEEL A LITTLE BETTER, MAKING ARMENIA FEEL A LITTLE BETTER.
IT CERTAINLY WOULD MAKE ME FEEL BETTER.
I DO UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR A GARAGE, BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT IF WE COULD SAY THE HOUSE IS HISTORIC, THAT IF YOU NEEDED TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD, THAT THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD WOULD SEE ITS WAY CLEAR TO ASSISTING YOU IF THE HOUSE WERE CONSIDERED HISTORIC AND THEN EVERYBODY MIGHT BE HAPPY.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE YOU TO EXPLORE THE PROPER DOORS AND WINDOWS BEFORE ANY CHANGES ARE MADE.
I, I, I JUST THINK THAT, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY NEED TO BE MADE ENERGY COMPLIANT.
I WILL GIVE YOU THE NAME OF THIS GENTLEMAN AND YOU CAN ASK HIM FOR INFORMATION.
I THINK THAT WHAT IS THERE COULD PROBABLY BE REUSED AND MADE ENERGY COMPLIANT BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO, I WOULD, EXCUSE ME, I'M TRYING TO PRESERVE THE GLASS THAT IS ORIGINAL AND TAKING IT OUT AND PUTTING IT IN SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S MODERN.
ONCE YOU PUT MODERN WINDOWS IN THIS HOUSE, IT LOSES ALL VALUE AND THAT, THAT BECOMES A SEVERE PROBLEM FOR ME.
UM, AND I WOULD LIKE YOU TO EXPLORE, AND THIS PROBABLY AGAIN WOULD BE WITH SOMEBODY, UM, IN THE HISTORIC FIELD OF FIREPLACES AND SURROUNDS WHETHER ANY OF THOSE, UM, ARE WORTH REHABBING, ARE AFFORDABLY, CAN BE AFFORDABLY REHABBED, OR WHETHER THEY SHOULD JUST BE JUNK.
UM, I, THESE, THESE ARE THE FOUR THINGS THAT I WOULD NEED, UM, I WOULD NEED GONE INTO BEFORE I WAS READY TO GIVE ANY KIND OF VERDICT ON THIS HOUSE.
ANYBODY ELSE ON MY BOARD HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? YEAH, I THINK, UH, I WANT TO CHIME IN WITH WHAT, UH, MADELINE SAY THIS IS I THINK ONE OF THE, UH, BEST, UH, HISTORICAL, UH, HOUSE FOR THE PERIOD AND, UH, CREDIT TO LEWIS IS TAKING CARE OF IT THAT HAS PRESERVED THE HISTORY AND THE, UH, CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE.
AND I THINK WOULD BE, UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A PRACTICAL AND AND ECONOMIC CONSIDERATION, BUT THIS HOUSE COULD BE THE SHOWCASE OF THE TOWN OF GREENBERG AND WE ALL SORT OF REALLY
SO WITH THAT, I THINK I REQUEST YOU WHATEVER THE MAGDALENE HAS SAVED, BUT, AND I WILL HELP YOU IN ANY WAY I CAN.
UM, CINDY, YOU CAN ALWAYS REACH ME THROUGH CAROL WALKER IF YOU GIVE HER EITHER EMAIL INFORMATION OR UM, A PHONE NUMBER.
I WILL GET YOU ALL THE INFORMATION I HAVE.
IF I DON'T HAVE IT, I KNOW WHERE TO FIND IT FOR YOU.
UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE INTERESTED IN, IN, IN SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAD TO SAY.
ANNETTE, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTARY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SIGN OFF.
NO, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH ETTE THOUGH.
I THINK THAT AS MUCH OF THE, UM, ORIGINAL, UM, THAT CAN BE SALVAGED WOULD BE A GREAT BENEFIT TO NOT ONLY THE NEW OWNERS, BUT ALSO TO THE TOWN.
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YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THE VAN NESS FAMILY WOULD HAVE A SHOW PLACE THAT, UM, I CAN REMEMBER WHEN WE WELL GOING, BEING DRIVEN PAST IT AS ONE OF THE GREAT HOUSES OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, AND I'VE LIVED HERE MOST OF MY LIFE AND I'M OLD GUYS, SO I KNOW, UM, THAT THAT'S HOW I, THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.BILL, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTARY BEFORE WE CLOSE? I THINK HE'S HERE.
UM, AARON, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO WHAT OUR MEETING? I WAS JUST, UM, I SENT A CHAT.
UM, I, AND, AND FORGIVE ME BECAUSE I DID STEP AWAY FOR A FEW MINUTES TO TAKE A CALL.
I WASN'T SURE IF THE APPLICANT HAD PREPARED OR SUBMITTED A COLORED RENDERING OF THE EAST PROPOSED EAST ELEVATION.
AND IF NOT, IF THAT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL TO THE BOARD AND IF THE BOARD, UH, BELIEVED IT WOULD, IF THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THE APPLICANT COULD PROVIDE JUST A QUESTION FOR AND SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT IF, IF, IF YOU THINK THAT IT WOULD, IT WOULD HELP US.
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SEE ANYTHING.
JUST PLEASE REMEMBER, IT MUST BE SENT TO ME.
I CAN READ NOTHING ON THE COMPUTER.
SO, UM, I, I WILL LEAVE THAT UP TO, UM, MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE THAN I.
UM, AARON, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT MY, UM, IF, IF IT, IF I AM ASKED, UH, ABOUT MY SUPPLYING, UM, THE NAME OF THE GENTLEMAN WHO DID THE FENESTRATION, UM, SEMINAR AND, UM, A WAY OF GETTING AHOLD OF THE ONLY, UM, BUT I'M SURE THERE ARE MORE, UM, HISTORIC ARCHITECTS.
IS IS THAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE AND I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
UM, DO ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THE, ON THE RENDERING? UH, OR DOES THE APPLICANT OR ITS REPRESENTATIVE? UM, I AGREE WITH YOU, AARON.
I THINK IT WOULD MAKE IT A, UH, MUCH BETTER, UM, UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE ELEVATION AND, AND THE DISTANCE OF THE SORT OF SETBACK OF THE GARAGE.
SO YES, DEFINITELY I THINK THERE'S SOME KIND OF RENDERING WOULD BE A VERY USEFUL, THAT WAS MY THOUGHT AS WELL.
PLUS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO SHOW EXISTING, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE EXISTING TREES AND, AND WHATNOT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE WAY THAT THE, THE GARAGE IS SHOWN AND YOU SEE IT ON THE ELEVATION, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S VISIBLE.
BUT AS, UH, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, RE REPRESENTATIVE NOTED, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TREES ON THE PROPERTY, IT MAY NOT VERY WELL BE SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S SEEN.
AND I THINK A RENDERING MAY, UH, BE ABLE TO DEPICT THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.
AARON COULD, UM, IS, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THE APPLICANT TO, UM, IF, IF THEY WERE TO, UM, GO INTO THE BUFFER, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THEM TO KNOW WHAT VARIANCES OR HOW MUCH OF A VARIANCE OR, OR, OR WOULD BE NEEDED TO SEE WHETHER IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE IF, IF THE, UM, RENDERING STILL DOESN'T, I, I JUST, I JUST DON'T SEE IN AN 18 52, 1900 HOUSE SCENE GARAGE DOORS.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M WILLING, AND, AND YOU OF ALL PEOPLE KNOW THAT VARIANCE IS ON, I ARE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE, BUT TO PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THIS HOUSE, I COULD DEAL WITH VARIANCES AND TRY TO HELP THEM GET IT IF NECESSARY, OR A VARIANCE OR WHAT.
SO PERHAPS YOU COULD TELL ME AT SOME POINT AND TELL THE APPLICANT AT THE SAME TIME IF THEY WERE INTERESTED.
WELL, WE HAD STARTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT ON THE SITE VISIT BECAUSE THE, THE NEW OWNER WAS, YOU KNOW, AS I HAD MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, VERY OPEN AND, AND WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT MULTIPLE OPTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, WE WERE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THINGS ON THE FLY, UH, DURING THE SITE VISIT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL THAT, YOU KNOW, IN ONE LAYOUT OR ANOTHER, THERE COULD BE A VARIANCE OR VARIANCES, UH, NECESSARY.
HOWEVER, UM, IF WE GET A, A SKETCHUP OF AN ALTERNATIVE, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING THE APPLICANT WAS, UH, THE OWNER WAS WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, PUT FORTH, UH, AN ALTERNATIVE, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK AT IT, SEE IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN GET, UM, SETBACK
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MEASUREMENTS TO THAT NORTH PROPERTY LINE RIGHT, THEN I WOULD BE ABLE TO REVIEW IT, YOU KNOW, IN A PRELIMINARY FASHION WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE, UM, TO GIVE SOME GUIDANCE ON WHAT, IF ANY VARIANCE MIGHT BE REQUIRED.I, YOU KNOW WHAT? I DID NOT SAY, AND I APOLOGIZE, AND I REALLY, I'VE GOT ALL THESE PAPERS IN FRONT OF ME AND I WAS HAVING MY EYE ON THE CLOCK.
UM, THERE ARE THINGS LIKE, UM, DOORKNOBS AND HINGES AND THE IRON, UM, I, I WOULD ASSUME THEY'RE THE CAST IRON, UM, RADIATORS.
AND THOSE OBJECTS WOULD HAVE TO BE, BECAUSE WE HAVE DONE THIS WITH EVERY APPLICANT THAT'S COME BEFORE US, THEY WOULD GO TO A SALVAGE HOUSE OF YOUR CHOOSING.
AND OUR SECRETARY, CAROL WALKER HAS A LIST AND ONCE THEY, YOU EITHER GIVE IT TO THEM OR IT'S SOLD TO THEM, THEN THEY SEND A LETTER TO US SAYING THAT YOU HAVE DONE THAT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU'RE NOT GOING TO REPURPOSE AS FAR AS THE, UM, HINGES TO DOORS AND LATCHES AND DOORKNOBS.
SOME OF THESE OLD HOUSES HAVE WONDERFUL PORCELAIN DOORKNOBS AND SOME OF THEM HAVE THE, UM, IRON UH, HINGES.
THOSE I, IF YOU DON'T WANNA KEEP THEM, THAT'S FINE.
UM, BUT THEY WOULD THEN HAVE TO BE REPURPOSED.
THEY COULD NOT BE PUT INTO A DUMPSTER IS MY MEETING.
AND, AND WHO DO I GIVE THEM TO? THEY'LL GIVE US A LIST OF PEOPLE WHO WILL TAKE THEM OKAY.
OH, I, I, I'M, I'M, I, I LOVE THIS HOUSE SO MUCH, BUT OUR, OUR MISSION IS TO HELP THE APPLICANT PRESERVE AS MUCH HISTORY AS POSSIBLE AND THEREFORE ABSOLUTELY.
I WILL ASK CAROL, UM, TO GET IT UP FOR YOU AND I WILL FEED HER WHAT I HAVE SO THAT TODAY IS TUESDAY, GIVE HER TO THE END OF THE WEEK, THE BEGINNING OF NEXT WEEK, UM, TO, FOR US TO GET YOU THAT LIST.
'CAUSE I HAVE SEVERAL LISTS AND IF I, I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO GET YOU THE PERSON FOR THE WINDOWS AS WELL, BUT YOU JUST KEEP CALLING CAROL UNTIL SHE CAN COME UP WITH THE LIST THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU WANT.
UM, SO JUST WHILE I KNOW WE'RE, UH, UH, SHORT ON TIME, BUT IN TERMS OF PROCESS, SO, UM, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR.
UM, THE PROCESS WOULD BE TO, UM, RESPOND TO THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR, UM, AND BE AVAILABLE FOR YOUR NEXT MEETING.
'CAUSE UM, AS, AS I'M SURE YOU CAN IMAGINE, UM, THE VENICE FAMILY CURRENTLY OWN TWO HOUSES AND ARE VERY ANXIOUS TO PROCEED.
UM, AND SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO MOVE THINGS ALONG WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
I'VE BEEN IN THAT POSITION MYSELF, AS HAVE MOST PEOPLE, SO I DO APPRECIATE IT.
UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT HE KNOWS THAT HE'S, WHAT HE'S GOT HERE IS A HIGH POINT IN THE GREENBERG COMMUNITY TO WHICH WE HOPE THAT HE WILL BE A CONTRIBUTING MEMBER.
AND THEREFORE WE WANT TO HELP HIM DO THE BEST JOB POSSIBLE.
I THINK EVERYBODY, AND I'M GONNA SIGN OFF BECAUSE, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE GONE PAST THE TIME THAT WE HAVE AGREED TO MEET.
IF I DON'T TALK TO YOU ALL, HAVE A VERY HEALTHY, HAPPY THANKSGIVING.
AND STAY SAFE PLEASE, BECAUSE THE NUMBERS ARE CLIMBING.
THANK A, HAVE A THANK YOU BYEBYE.