[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL Agenda THURSDAY, December 10, 2020 – 6:30 P.M. ]
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I THINK WE'RE GONNA KIND OF SKIP AROUND A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT.WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS APPROVE THE MINUTES, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE BLOWER LAW, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GO INTO THE, UM, EAGLE ENERGY SO THAT WE HAVE QUITE A BIT TO COVER IN A RATHER SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
I, I THINK THAT PETER DID AN ABSOLUTELY MASTERFUL JOB ON THE MINUTES.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES OR CORRECTIONS? YEAH, PULITZ SURPRISE CORRECTIONS, BUT I WOULD REQUEST, I AGREE THAT ONE PIECE AND, AND IT'S AN A PLUS ONE, ONE PIECE,
THERE'S PROBABLY A HALF AN HOUR OF DISCUSSION ON THE MINUTES.
UM, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PARTICULARLY, UM, UH, EAGLE ENERGY, PARTICULARLY, UH, SENSITIVE, AND THERE'S PROBABLY A HALF AN HOUR OF DISCUSSION.
AND, UH, IT IS JUST, UH, I, I, I THINK WE HAVE TO DO THE OTHER STUFF, AND I WOULD JUST REFER, REQUEST, WE JUST FLIP THAT TILL JANUARY, WHERE HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE MORE PEACE, PEACEFUL TIME.
I MEAN, I GUESS I DID NOT SEE ANYTHING WHEN I WAS READING THE MINUTES.
THAT GOT ME TOO PERTURBED, BUT OBVIOUSLY YOU DID MIKE, SO MINUTES JUST REFLECT A RECORD THAT, I MEAN, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS, WHAT IS HALF AN HOUR OF DISCUSSION ON THE RECORD.
UM, I, I, I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING, I, IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME THAT THERE WAS A CLEAR PATH TO EITHER, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THEY WERE GONNA PROCEED OR NOT.
IT, IT SEEMED TO ME THAT SOME THINGS ARE STILL KIND OF UP IN THE AIR.
DO YOU KNOW, WELL, I GUESS, BUT WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING EAGLE ENERGY.
WE'RE DISCUSSING THE RECORDING OF THE MINUTES.
AND I GUESS PETER RAISED A QUESTION, MIKE, THAT I, I, I WOULD HAVE ALSO, I THINK PETER RECORDED WHAT TOOK PLACE.
DO YOU FEEL THAT IT'S NOT, IT'S TOO DETAILED OR, WELL, I, WELL, OKAY.
WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION NOW, BUT I THINK WE'RE REALLY WASTING VALUABLE TIME.
WELL, I, I THINK A VERY QUICK COMMENT AS TO WHY WE'RE DELAYING IT.
I THINK PETER'S OWED THAT TO BE VERY HONEST.
UH, WE'RE IN A HIGHLY LITIGIOUS SITUATION.
THERE ARE QUESTIONS IN HERE AS TO WHETHER IT'S ACCURATE.
IT'S PETER'S RECOLLECTION OF WHAT IS WAS SAID.
AND THE TAPE, THE TAPE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF, PETER.
AND THEREFORE, WE NEED MINUTES OF THIS.
WHEN THIS IS ON TAPE, WE DON'T NEED MINUTES LIKE THIS.
WE REALLY JUST NEED THE FACT THAT THE DISCUSSION WAS HAPPENING.
THERE ARE QUESTIONS IN HERE, FOR EXAMPLE.
I MEAN, OKAY, WELL DO THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A GOOD USE OF TIME.
UH, IT SAYS, I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE.
OKAY? IT SAYS, IN ANSWER THE C A C QUESTIONS, THE APPLICANT AGREED IT WAS NOT A REGULATED INDUSTRY, WAS UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE NEW YORK CORPORATE SERVICE.
MY NOTES CLEARLY SAY
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS SAYS.
OH, WELL THEN THAT, THAT'S JUST A, THAT'S AN ERROR.
AND THEN, AND THEN IT SAYS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE APPLICANT HAS NOT RETAINED AN OWNERSHIP INTEREST AND ALL THE PROBLEM WHO IS THE APPLICANT? AND YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE PETER WHO REPRESENTS WHO.
JAMES ROBINSON IS AN OFFICER OF STRATA.
YOU HAVE HIM AS AN OFFICER OF EAGLE.
UM, THEN YOU HAVE, UH, HE'S THE HEAD OF E HE'S THE HEAD OF EAGLE.
HE MAY BE AN EMPLOYEE OF, HE MAY BE AN EMPLOYEE OF STRATA, BUT HE REPRESENTED HIMSELF AS A ALL, LISTEN, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S ALL IN THE MIKE.
I THINK YOUR POINT IS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE RIGHT WHEN YOU HAVE TIME.
AND BY THE WAY, MIKE HAS BEEN VERY BUSY BECAUSE ASIDE FROM EVERYTHING, MIKE, WHY DON'T YOU JUST, WHY DON'T YOU JUST, HE'S BEEN WORKING ON PUT THE COMMENTS IN WRITING AND I'LL CHECK THEM.
WELL, WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD DO IS, I THINK I'M MORE, I THINK A MORE, AND REMEMBER IT'S 6 43.
NOW, A MORE SERIOUS ISSUE WE NEED TO DISCUSS IS WHY DO WE WANT MINUTES LIKE THIS WHEN WE HAVE RECORDING? OKAY.
WE, BUT THIS IS NOT, WHEN WE HAVE 15 MINUTES THE RIGHT DISCUSSION WE NEED TO HAVE.
MIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO GO QUICKLY TO THE BLOWER, JUST TO GIVE EVERYONE AN UPDATE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED.
THERE WAS ANOTHER TOWN BOARD MEETING ABOUT THE BLOWER, LORD, A WORK SESSION, UH, AFTER A GREAT DEAL OF BACK AND FORTH TRYING TO SANDBAG IT BY SAYING, UH, THERE WERE ISSUES IN TERMS OF THE, ALMOST ALL THE BLOWERS HAVE A, A, A LEVEL OF NOISE THAT EXCEEDS THE TOWN NOISE ORDINANCE AND
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KEPT WISHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES.AND IT FINALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, DIANA JUNA PICKED UP ON THAT, THAT, LET'S JUST PUT IT ASIDE.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE LOWER, LOWER LAW.
HE WANTED TO GET IT MOVING TO AN AGENDA SO THAT THERE WOULD BE AN UP OR DOWN VOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY AND THE CAC ARE BOTH OWED THIS HAPPENING.
SO AFTER MUCH BACK AND FORTH, IT CAME DOWN TO, THERE WAS A MINOR CHANGE ON THE LAST RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS MADE THAT, UM, THERE SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF A TIGHTENING IN THE WAY THE LANGUAGE EXPRESSED WHAT, UH, THE LIMITATIONS WERE ON D P W TO BE MORE TIGHT THE WAY THEY ARE ON PARKS AND RECS.
THERE ALSO WAS A REC A REQUEST THAT IT REFLECT SOME WAY THAT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE USING BLOWERS IN THE PERIOD WHEN THEY WERE ALLOWED WOULD NOT BE PENALIZED UNDER THE, UM, CURRENT TOWN NOISE ORDINANCE.
UM, MIKE FEELS THAT'S NOT AN ACCEPTABLE THING TO PUT INTO A RECOMMENDATION FOR ALLURE AND PERHAPS WITH
MIKE'S FINAL SUGGESTION WAS PERHAPS THEY SHOULD, SHOULD, UM, GET RID OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT'S UNENFORCEABLE AND IT BASICALLY, PRACTICALLY EVERYTHING OUT THERE IS NOISIER THAN THAN THE LEVEL IT'S AT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT.
BUT IT, THE BLOWER LURE IS, IS SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON JANUARY 27TH.
ON FEBRUARY 10TH, THERE'LL BE A SECOND HEARING, WHICH WILL BE CLOSED, AND ON FEBRUARY 24TH, THERE WILL BE A VOTE.
SO PRESUMABLY ANYONE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS A PROBLEM WITH THE BLOWER LAW WILL BE COMING OUT IN JANUARY AND EARLY FEBRUARY TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS.
UM, I EXPRESSED THAT WE FELT THERE WAS NO WAY TO EXEMPT NON-GOVERNMENTAL GROUPS BECAUSE WHAT, THERE'S NO FAIR WAY TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN ONE PRIVATE USER VERSUS ANOTHER.
AND THAT WE HAD WORKED WITH THE, UM, PARKS AND RECS AND D P W, AND THEY HAD SCALED BACK AND WERE VERY COOPERATIVE IN TERMS OF HAVING A VERY LIMITED REQUEST FOR USING THE BLOWER.
AND IT HAD TO DO WITH PUBLIC SAFETY ON ROADWAYS AND THE TIMES THAT WERE, UH, PROHIBITED, UH, JUST F Y I, THE LETTER THAT WE REQUESTED TO HAVE SENT IN SUPPORT OF RENEWING THE AGREEMENT FOR SWAP S W B WAS SENT.
AND WITH THAT, LET'S SHIFT OVER TO EAGLE ENERGY AS WE RUN ALONG HERE.
UM, BEFORE, BEFORE WE DO THAT, LET ME GET, UH, ONE, TWO OTHER QUICK ALSO ON THE AGENDA IS, UM, UH, THE ACCESS FOOD ACT.
UH, UM, THE GOVERNOR STAFF HAD BEEN APPROVED BY BOTH THE SENATE AND THE ASSEMBLY, AND HASN'T BEEN SENT TO THE GOVERNORS YET, BUT THE GOVERNOR STAFF CONTACTED THE ASSEMBLY STAFF AND SAID THE GOVERNOR, UH, UH, HAS BIG PROBLEMS WITH IT BECAUSE IT IS INCONSISTENT WITH A BILL THAT HE PUT IN THE BUDGET AND ALREADY, WHICH ALREADY TAKES CARE OF THE PROBLEM.
SO, UH, BEING QUITE PUZZLED BY THAT, I ASKED FOR A COPY OF WHAT BILL IT WAS, AND IT'S A BILL THAT DEALS WITH INORGANIC WASTE, UH, FROM LARGE, UH, USERS INCLUDING SHOPPING, INCLUDING, UM, UH, UM, SUPERMARKETS, BUT ALSO OTHER LARGE JUICES.
UM, AND THEN, UM, I LOOKED AT THE DEFINITION OF INORGANIC WASTE IN THE BILL.
YEAH, WHAT'S THAT? AND IT IS DEFINED TO BE INEDIBLE FOOD.
OUR, SO OUR LAW, AS EVERYONE KNOWS, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE FOOD TO BE SUBJECT TO THE LAW THAT THE C A C PROPOSED IS THAT IT'D BE EDIBLE.
WE DID NOT PROPOSE THAT INEDIBLE FOOD GIVEN TO THE NEEDY.
UM, WE, WE HAVE, UH, HAD DISCUSSIONS, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN JONES AND I HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE, UH, ASSEMBLY WITH, UH, UH, UH, ASSEMBLYMAN ABERNATHY STAFF AND WITH, AND WITH ASSEMBLY ABERNATHY HIMSELF.
UH, THEY'RE TALKING WITH, UH, THE GOVERNOR'S STAFF, AND HOPEFULLY THIS IS SIMPLY JUST A MISUNDERSTANDING ON, I'M SURE IT'S NOT THE GOVERNOR HIMSELF.
HE'S OBVIOUSLY QUITE TIED UP WITH COVID.
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UH, HOPEFULLY THIS IS JUST A MISUNDERSTANDING ON SOMEONE ON THE STAFF OF THE GOVERNOR WHO, WHO, WHO SOMEHOW THOUGHT BOOTS SCRAPS WERE THE SAME THING AS WELL.INEDIBLE FOOD SCRAPS, WHICH ACTUALLY, UH, DEFINES AS BEING INEDIBLE ARE THE SAME THING THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
SO, ANYWAY, THAT IT WILL HOPEFULLY GET WORKED OUT.
BUT THAT'S, UM, THAT'S REPORTED A LOT.
SO, SO MIKE, I'M REMINDED OF YOUR, UM, YOUR EXPRESSION.
DON'T GIVE OUT THE GAME BALL DURING HALFTIME.
YOU ABSOLUTELY DON'T GIVE OUT GAME BALLS DURING HALFTIME
IS, IS THAT WHAT THEY SAY? STEPHANIE, YOU KNOW WHO TOLD ME, YOU KNOW, WHO, WHO, WHO TOLD ONE OF MY FLOOR PARTNERS USED TO SAY THAT HE PLAYED FOOTBALL AT HOLY CROSS.
AND HE SAID THAT WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, AS WE LEARNED, DON'T GIVE OUT GAME BALLS AT, AT, UH, AT GAME, AT HALFTIME.
UH, EGO ENERGY, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S BEEN QUITE, THAT WAS BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD LAST EVENING.
AND, UM, THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF GOING BACK AND FORTH.
UM, THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, SENT OUT A VERY DETAILED, UM, RECOMMENDATION.
RECOMMENDATION THAT SAID THEY COULD NOT GIVE A RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE FIRST TIME THEY'VE EVER DONE THAT.
THEY SAID THEY JUST REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION, BUT THEY DID VERY, VERY STRONGLY RECOMMEND AS WE DID THAT THE, UM, WHOLE ISSUE OF THE ZONING THAT, UM, WOULD ALLOW THIS SHOULD BE LOOKED AT.
AND THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDED THAT THE TOWN BOARD EITHER MAKE THE DECISION THEMSELVES OR SEND IT TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION.
IN THE COURSE OF THE EVENING, SOMETHING CAME OUT.
WE'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON THE GOLF COURSES, AND SOMEWHERE IN THE EVENING, SOMEONE IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR MADE THE COMMENT AND SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T CHANGE THIS AND THIS BECOMES PRECEDENT, THEY BASICALLY COULD PUT ONE OF THESE BATTERY FACILITIES IN ANY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND IT WAS SORT OF LIKE, YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE, BECAUSE IF YOU SAY IT'S AN ALLOWABLE USE IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S AN ALLOWABLE USE IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS
SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS TO TALK ABOUT HERE, AND I'M GONNA SWITCH OVER TO MIKE ON THIS.
ONE IS, I THINK WE PROBABLY TRADITIONALLY, WHEN WE'VE SENT A LETTER AS WE DID ON THE FOURTH TO THE TOWN BOARD, WE DO RATIFY, UM, IT AT OUR C A C MEETING, THAT WE ARE IN FAVOR OF IT SINCE WE HAD, UH, SENT IT, BUT WE WAS GOING THROUGH FINAL EDITING.
UM, SO I THINK THAT WE COULD JUST HAVE SOMEONE SAY THAT THEY, UM, WANT TO APPROVE THE FACT THAT THE LETTER WAS SENT AND SECOND IT AND DO A VOTE.
KEN, KEN, KEN, UH, AFTER THIS VOTE, I'LL COME BACK TO KEN.
COULD SOMEONE SECOND THAT PLEASE? SECOND.
IS THERE ANY MORE DEVELOPMENTS, UH, WITH THE GOVERNOR'S STAFF? UH, I JUST RE HAD REPORTED ON THE BIZARRE COMMENT OF THE GOVERNOR'S STAFF THAT, UH, UM, AND THAT FOOD SCRAPS, WHICH ARE DEFINED AS AN EDIBLE FOOD ARE THE SAME THING AS WHAT WE PROPOSED, WHICH ARE A KEY, A KEY WORD IN THE DEFINITION OF WHAT WE PROPOSED IS IT MUST BE EDIBLE FOOD FOR THE NEED.
ANY, ANY, DID ANY, DID ANY MORE DEVELOPMENTS HAPPEN IN THE LAST 48 HOURS? NO, I DID NOT HEAR ANYTHING ADDITIONAL.
WELL, KEN AND I ARE IN TOUCH WITH, UH, ASSEMBLYMAN BERNAN, AND WE'LL REPORT ON THAT AS IT HAPPENS.
MIKE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE REC, UH, THIS SECRET RECOMMENDATION WHICH WE DISTRIBUTED TO THE MEMBERS THIS MORNING? OKAY.
THIS IN CONNECTION WITH STRATA SLASH EAGLE, THERE ARE A WHOLE SERIES OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO COME TOGETHER, UH, FOR THE PERMIT TO HAPPEN.
UM, ONE IS A SPECIAL PERMIT, AND AS TERRY JUST REPORTED, THERE'S A PREDICATE ISSUE OF IS EVEN, IS THIS EVEN AN ALLOWED USE, UH, ON ANY LAND OR ANY RESIDENTIAL LAND, UH, IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG? AND, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD IS RECOMMENDED THAT THE, UH, UM, UM, TOWN BOARD, UH, EITHER CONSIDER THAT WITH THE, UH, BUILDING INSPECTOR OR ASK THE Z B A TO, UH, FOR A, UM, UM, TO LOOK AT IT AND GIVE AN ISSUE, A RULING, UM, BECAUSE ACTUALLY ONLY THE Z B A CAN OVERRIDE THE, UH,
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BUILDING INSPECTOR, THE TOWN BOARD REALLY CAN'T.UM, THAT'S THE WAY NEW YORK STATE LAW IS STRUCTURED.
UM, AND SO THERE'S THAT, THERE'S A SITE PLAN.
UH, IF IT ISN'T ALLOWED USE, THEN THERE'S AN ISSUE OF THE TOWN BOARD ISSUING A SPECIAL PERMIT.
AND THEN THERE'S THE ISSUE OF THE SOUTH TOWN BOARD ISSUING, UH, AN AMENDED SITE PLAN.
AND THEN THERE'S, AS AARON HAS POINTED OUT TO US, THERE'S SEVERAL, UH, UH, OTHER PERMITS HAVE TO BE GRANTED.
UM, NOW, UM, THERE'S ALSO THE ISSUE OF, UH, A
AND, UM, THERE WAS DISCUSSION LAST NIGHT, THE CA THE C A C RAISED ABOUT, UH, WHETHER OR NOT, UM, UH, THERE SHOULD, UH, WHAT THE STANDARDS WERE, WHAT THE STATUTORY STANDARDS WERE, AND WHETHER OR NOT, UM, UH, THE TOWN BOARD, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN AND, UH, THAT DECISION WILL BE MADE AND, AND, AND OUR PARTICIPATION IN THAT DECISION.
UH, THE AUDIO WAS NOT SO, NOT SO GOOD AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
AND MY HEARING IS SO GOOD ANYMORE,
UH, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE I FULLY UNDERSTAND.
AT FIRST I HAD THOUGHT I UNDERSTOOD, BUT THEN I DID OBVIOUSLY HAD NOT EXACTLY UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE TIMING WAS.
BUT, UH, UH, SO, BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO STATE IN WRITING TO THE TOWN BOARD WHAT WE BELIEVE ARE THE OPERATIVE RULES, UH, WITH REGARD TO, UM, UH, THE DETERMINATION OF, UM, UH, OF, UH, WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE AN E I S.
AND THEY BASICALLY ARE, UH, THE TOWN BOARD HAS TO DETERMINE, UM, IN ORDER FOR THERE NOT TO BE AN E I S, THAT THAT THERE WILL BE NO SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
UH, IF YOU HEARD THE MEETING LAST NIGHT, AND IF YOU'VE LOOKED AT THE C A C REPORT AND YOU'VE LOOKED AT THE PLANNING BOARD REPORT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY HARD STRETCH TO FIND AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN WHAT THE ANSWER WILL BE AT THE END OF AN E I S PROCESS, BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S PRETTY HARD TO DETERMINE NOW BECAUSE THE APPLICANT IS PRESSING THAT THERE BE A DECISION IN THE YEAR OF 2020, UH, THAT THE TOWN BOARD DETERMINED THAT THERE'S NO ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES HERE.
UM, THE, UM, NUMEROUS PEOPLE, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE'RE PREPARED TO DO.
AND I, I WAS GONNA END UP SAYING NO, I WAS GONNA SAY TWO OTHER THINGS.
NUMEROUS PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY RAISED THE ISSUE OF VARIOUS ISSUES, AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE ON FROM THE COMMUNITY ARE JUST OBNOXIOUS SOCKS OFF, UH, IN TERMS OF THEIR KNOWLEDGE.
UH, ONE OF 'EM IS ON THE BOARD THAT ADVISES ABOUT, UH, UH, STATIONARY BATTERY STORAGES.
UH, ONE DID, ONE, ONE MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY DID A WORLDWIDE SEARCH OF FIRES AND DAMAGES TO FIREMEN AND FIGHTING THE FIRES OF, UH, OF THESE TYPE OF FACILITIES.
AND, UM, IT, IT WAS REALLY IMPRESSIVE.
AND JUST THERE WAS COMMENT, COMMENT ABOUT THE NEEDS OF THE TOWN TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, EXPERT ADVICE.
UH, WE OFFERED, UH, WE SUGGESTED, TERRY AND I SUGGESTED THAT THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE C A C HAVE SOME, UH, CONSULT CONSULTING ROLE IN THE SELECTION OF THAT, UH, UM, UH, CONSULTANT FOR THE TOWN IF, UH, IF THE TOWN BOARD THOUGHT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE.
AND THEN AT THE END OF THE MEETING, I THINK THERE WERE AT LEAST THREE MEMBERS, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN JONES, UH, OUR LIAISON FROM THE TOWN BOARD, COUNCILWOMAN, UH, JUNA AND COUNCILWOMAN, UH, JACKSON, THAT INDICATED THEY WERE, UH, VERY UNCOMFORTABLE IN, UM, IN MAKING A, A FINAL DECISION ON, ON THAT.
THERE WILL BE NO, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THOUGH, IT WAS NOT AN OFFICIAL ACT, OFFICIAL DECISION AT THE TOWN BOARD.
KEN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE? 'CAUSE I MEAN, I JUST WANNA SAY, UH, FROM WHAT PARTICULARLY, BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING THAT THIS FACILITY IS GONNA BE THE EQUIVALENT OF 10 NEW MEMBERS TO THE COUNTRY CLUB ANNUALLY, THAT'S NOT GONNA SAVE THE COUNTRY CLUB.
SO IF THE COUNTRY CLUB STILL, YOU KNOW, IF THE COUNTRY CLUB IS GONNA GO UNDER ANYWAY, THEN WE HAVE TO BE AS SPECIFICALLY MINDFUL OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN AFTERWARDS AND WHAT THAT MEANS.
I, I DON'T THINK HOW THEY GET OUTTA THE, I, YEAH, YOU CAN, KEN, AS, AS EVERYONE KNOWS YOU AND THE MOUSE KNOWS, IT'S, IT'S WRITTEN INTO SEQUEL THAT YOU CANNOT, UM, THAT WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS,
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UM, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER, UM, UH, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER, UH, YOU, YOU, YOU CAN'T SEGMENT IT.YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT, AT, AT THE WHOLE THING.
AND, UM, UM, THEY, SOMEONE IS PAYING, I MEAN, THIS IS PUZZLING.
UM, SOMEONE IS PAYING $4 MILLION, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, TO MANAGE THIS CLUB.
NOW THIS CLUB HAS LOST HALF OF ITS MEMBERS THE LEASE, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO SAVE THE DAY, UM, IS THE EQUIVALENT OF 10 MEMBERS.
THEY'VE LOST ABOUT 200 AND OVER 200 MEMBERS.
THIS LEASE GIVES THEM THE EQUIVALENT OF 10 FULL MEMBERS.
SOMEONE'S PAYING $4 MILLION TO BE THE MANAGER OF THIS CLUB.
NOW, YOU KNOW, JUST ROUND FIGURES, MARGARET WOULD PROBABLY KNOW IF THIS IS RIGHT AND WRONG.
PRESUMABLY, IF SOMEONE, MARGARET IS PAYING 4 MILLION BUCKS TO BE THE MANAGER OF THE CLUB, DON'T THEY WANNA MAKE 400,000 A YEAR, 500,000 A YEAR? DON'T THEY WANT TO GET A 10 OR 12% RETURN ON THAT? OKAY, THAT'S RICH.
PARDON? THAT'S RICH IN THE CURRENT INTEREST RATE ENVIRONMENT, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
YOU WANNA GET THAT, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BUT HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK THEY'D WANT TO MAKE, MAKE IT PROFIT A YEAR TO MAKE IT PROFITABLE? YOU KNOW, SIX TO 7%.
AND HERE'S, HEY GUYS, I JUST, I DON'T WANNA DISCOURAGE THE CONVERSATION OR, OR I DON'T WANNA CUT YOU OFF.
SO I, I'M GONNA LET YOU GET BACK TO IT IN A SECOND.
I JUST DO WANNA LET YOU KNOW, UM, THERE'S A WAIT FULL WAITING ROOM.
AND JUST IN TERMS OF OPEN MEETINGS, I, I'M GONNA LET THEM ALL IN AND, UH, AND THEN DON'T BE RUSHED.
SO YOU CAN CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION AS LONG AS YOU FIVE OR 10 MINUTES.
BUT FINE, WE DO WANT CAN LET THEM IN.
I'LL IN, AND THEN, UH, FEEL FREE TO GO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL LET THEM KNOW.
WE'LL GET TO THEM, UM, IN DUE TIME.
SO THEN YOU GET TO THE ISSUE OF WHY IS SOMEONE BUYING A, WHY IS SOMEONE GETTING A LEASE? THE ISSUE KEN'S RAISING, WHY DO, ARE YOU, WHY IS SOMEONE PUTTING UP $4 MILLION TO RUN A FACILITY THAT'S LOSING MONEY? AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE LIGHT ON THE HORIZON IS A LEASE THAT GIVES THEM 10 MEMBERSHIPS.
AND WHEN YOU, SO THEN THE ISSUE IS THIS COMPANY THAT'S TAKING OVER THE FACILITY AND MY RIGHT HAND HAS AN OPTION TO BUY THE LAND.
SO I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE OPTION.
I I DON'T RE I DON'T RECALL THAT SPECIFICALLY.
WELL, I, I ACTUALLY DO RECALL SPECIFICALLY THE OPTION BECAUSE THE, BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S GOTTA BE, I MEAN, PEOPLE DON'T DO THINGS THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE, YOU KNOW? OH, YES, THEY DO, MIKE EVERY DAY
WELL, NOT IF THEY'RE ADVISED BY YOU, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS JUST DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOTTA SOMEHOW A HUNDRED ACRES SITTING IN SOUTHERN WESTCHESTER, YOU KNOW, IS, HAS GOTTA BE THE PRIZE HERE.
AND SQUA SAYS THAT, UM, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT, UM, YOU HAVE TO LOOK, UH, THAT SEGMENTATION IS CONTRARY IN READING.
SE SEGMENTATION IS CONTRARY TO THE INTENT TO SEEK THE ENTIRE SET OF ACTIVITIES OR STEPS MUST BE CONSIDERED THE ACTION.
WHETHER THE AGENCY DECISION MAKING RELATES TO THE ACTION AS A WHOLE OR ONLY TO A PART OF IT.
THIS INCLUDES RELATED LONG-TERM, SHORT-TERM, DIRECT, INDIRECT, AND CUMULATIVE IMPACTS.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND, AND I HOPE THAT KEN, THE TOWN BOARD CAN HELP.
'CAUSE I MEAN, HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON SO WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT.
UM, AND, UM, DOES THE TOWN BOARD KEN HAVE ANY, CAN THE TOWN BOARD ASK TO SEE THE LEASE? THEY SAID, I, THEY SAID THEIR RECORDS WERE OPEN.
CAN WE ASK TO SEE THE LEASE? UH, NOT WE SEE C BUT THE TOWN BOARD ASKED TO SEE THE LEASE AND THE TOWN BOARD ASKED TO SEE THE, UM, UH, THE, UM, MA THE PROPOSED MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE OPTION TO BUY.
I, I BELIEVE, I THINK I HEARD THE QUESTION ABOUT, I, I BELIEVE FRANCIS ASKED FOR THAT TODAY.
AND THEN, AND THEN THE POTENTIAL BOND FOR DECOMMISSIONING ISN'T THAT IMPORTANT? YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED.
AND, AND, AND THE, AND THE TOWN BOARD MEMBERS WERE VERY COGNIZANT.
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TO THAT RECOMMENDATION FROM BOTH THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE CAC.I'M, I'M, THERE ARE REAL ISSUES THERE OF LIABILITY, UM, NOT JUST WITH THE DECOMMISSIONING, BUT THERE ARE LIABILITY ISSUES THAT ARE ONGOING.
BUT THE, IF IN FACT THIS IS AN APPROVED, APPROVED, UM, PROJECT, BUT I'VE HEARD THAT GETTING BACK MIKE, TO TO, TO THE LE UH, THE LETTER TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THE NEED FOR SECRET.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO VOTE
I'M SORRY, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, BUT I GO RIGHT AHEAD.
I THOUGHT I HEARD, I THOUGHT I HEARD WHEN THEY WERE IN FRONT OF US THAT THEY'RE NOT IN A FLOODPLAIN, BUT THEN I SAW IN THE SECRET LETTER THAT THEY'RE IN A FLOODPLAIN.
UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT C A C DIDN'T PICK UP.
GARRETT PICKED THIS UP THAT THEY ARE IN A FLOODPLAIN UNDER OUR LOCAL LAW, AND GARRETT PICKED THAT UP.
AND ARE THEY, WHAT ARE THEY? THEY'RE THREE INCHES OFF THE GROUND.
LIKE, I WAS LIKE, CAN'T YOU PUT IT UP HIGHER? AND THEY WERE LIKE, NAH, WE CAN'T REALLY DO THAT.
CAN EXPLAIN IT BECAUSE HE STUDIED THIS AND HE'S QUITE RIDING WHAT HE DID.
UM, YEAH, WELL, YEAH, THERE, THERE'S A, UH, STREAM THAT GOES UNDERNEATH THE PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF THE, THE AREA WHERE THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO PUT THE, UH, BATTERY STORAGE AND IT'S PIPED UNDERNEATH THAT PARKING LOT.
AND IT OUTLETS, UH, IN A SOUTHERLY PORTION OF THAT PAR, UH, PARKING LOT.
AND THEN IT OPENS UP AND, UM, USED TO BE AN OPEN CHANNEL.
AND I THINK AT THAT POINT, DOWNSTREAM AREAS ARE PRONE TO FLOODING.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IN SPEAKING TO PEOPLE, UH, ON THE SITE THAT HAVE BEEN MEMBERS, UM, THERE HAVE NEVER SEEN AN INSTANCE WHERE THE PARKING LOT ITSELF FLOODS.
AND I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE 'CAUSE IT DOES KIND OF SLOPE TO THE SOUTH.
UM, BUT ON A MAP, IT DOES SHOW THAT AREA IN A FLOODPLAIN.
SO, UM, THEY'RE DESIGNING IT CONSISTENT WITH THE MAP, UM, SHOWS SO THAT, UM, THEIR EQUIPMENT WOULD BE ABOVE WHAT THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION IS MAPPED AT.
UM, SO I THINK THEY'RE TAKING THE RIGHT STEPS IN TERMS OF THEIR DESIGN, UH, IN RELATION TO THE FLOODPLAIN THERE.
UM, BUT YES, THERE ARE MAPPED, UH, FLOOD FLOODPLAIN AREAS IN THE VICINITY OF THE PROJECT FOR SURE.
I THOUGHT THE PARKING LOT WAS ABOVE IT.
UM, WELL THERE, UM, THE PARKING, THERE'S, THERE'S A PARK, THE PARKING LOT, AND THEN, UM, ROAD, UH, TOWARDS MILLWOOD ROAD.
THERE'S KIND OF LIKE, UH, THE OLD TENNIS COURT.
AND MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT'S SLIGHTLY HIGHER, UM, WHICH I THINK IS ACTUALLY BETTER, WHICH LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT THAT AREA IS LE LESS PRONE TO FLOODING THAN EVEN THE, THE, THE PARKING AREA.
SO, I MEAN, I, I JUST DON'T THINK THERE'S FLOODING IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY DESPITE WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE MAP.
BUT NONETHELESS, WE WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE MAP AND THEY'RE DESIGNING IT, UM, AS IF THERE'S THE, THE POTENTIAL FOR IT TO FLOOD TO THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION THAT'S MAPPED AND THAT TRIGGERED THE TYPE ONE ACTION.
IF, UM, IT WEREN'T MAPPED IN THAT FASHION, THIS WOULD BE AN UNLISTED ACTION.
BUT SIMILAR, WE WANNA BE TAKE A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH AND, YOU KNOW, DEEM IT A TYPE ONE AS OPPOSED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING THAT THERE'S NO FLOODING POTENTIAL THERE.
SO, SO, SO BASED ON THAT, ARE THEY CHANGING ANY, ANY, ARE THEY WORKING RE REWORKING IT OR IT IS WHAT IT'S, WELL, YEAH, THEIR CABINETS WILL BE RAISED, UM, TO A HEIGHT THAT'S ABOVE THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION.
WHEREAS IF IT WEREN'T MAPPED THAT WAY, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WOULDN'T RAISE IT THAT EXTRA FOOT OR WHATEVER IT IS NOT RAISED TO BE.
THEY'D HAVE DIFFICULTY SERVICING THE UNITS THEY TO SAID IF IT WAS RAISED, YOU KNOW, YEAH, MORGAN RAISED THE ISSUE, COULD THEY RAISE IT HIGHER? AND THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T, THEY COULDN'T, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO COME IN THROUGH AN ENTRANCE WAY AND THAT IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO SERVICE THE UNITS.
I GUESS, SO WHAT THIS, UM, SO THAT, THAT ISSUE IS PUT IN AN INNOTE IN THE SUGGESTED, UH, UH, REPORT WE SEND TO THE, UM, TOWN BOARD.
UM, UH, UM, AS I SAID, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSIONER CORRECTLY FOCUSED ON, AND IT WAS SOME WE HAD FOCUSED ON, BUT HE, HE'S UNDOUBTEDLY CORRECT ABOUT THAT.
AND, UH, BUT PUT IT, IT'S IN THE END OF IT.
BUT THE BASIC THRUST OF THIS SAYS IS THAT, UM, UH, IT JUST QUOTES THE S Q L STANDARDS, UH, UH, TO CONCLUDE THERE'S NO E I S, THERE SHOULD NOT BE AN E I S ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
THAT THE LINE IS, THERE WILL BE NO SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS RESULTING FROM THE PROJECT.
AND, UH, THE TOWN HAS TO GIVE A WRITTEN ELABORATION.
UH, THEY HAVE TO TAKE A HARD LOOK, BUT THAT'S JUST THE PROCEDURAL POSTURE, NOT TAKING A HARD LOOK'S, NOT THE ANSWER.
THEY HAVE TO TAKE A HARD LOOK, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO WRITE UP SOMETHING
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AS TO WHY, BASED ON THE HARD LOOK.UH, IT'S, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY MEET THE STANDARD.
THE STANDARD IS NOT LIKE, IT'S MORE LIKELY THAN NOT, NOT 51 49, THERE IS, UH, GONNA BE ENVIRONMENTAL HARM, OR THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ENVIRONMENTAL HARM.
THE STANDARD IS KIND OF, UH, IT'S A TILTED STANDARD.
UH, IT'S VERY LOW FOR THERE TO BE IN E I S, THAT'S WHAT THE COURT SAY.
IT'S A LOW DELIVERY SET BY THE LEGISLATURE, A LOW STANDARD THAT THERE MAY BE AN ENVIRONMENTAL HARM, AND IT'S A VERY HIGH STANDARD FOR THERE NOT TO BE AN E I S OR A PROJECT LIKE THIS.
AND THERE HAS TO BE, THERE WILL BE, NO, AND WHAT THE RECORD NOW, I MEAN, LAST NIGHT SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS WERE JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, ON THE BORDERLINE ARE SCARY.
AND, UH, ALMOST EVERYONE SAID THE TOWN NEEDS SOME HELP HERE.
UM, AND THEY HAVE OUR REPORT WITH LISTING, UH, SAFETY ISSUES, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT ISSUES, QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES, UH, AND THE, AS TERRY REPORTED, THE PLANNING BOARD SPECIFICALLY SAID THERE ARE TWO, IT'S, THIS IS A QUOTE IN THE DRAFT, IT'S OUT.
THERE ARE QUOTE TOO MANY UNKNOWNS.
SO, UH, ALL WE DO IS IN ABOUT A PAGE, JUST SAY, UM, THIS IS WHAT WE BELIEVE, UH, THE FRAMEWORK THE TOWN BOARD NEEDS TO MAKE A DECISION IN.
AND OF COURSE, WE ARE NOT EXPRESSING ANY OF YOU AS TO WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT PEOPLE, WHAT WE AS C A C WOULD THINK AT THE END OF THE PROCESS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THE PROCESS.
IS THERE ANYTHING, HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT SENDING, UH, QUESTIONS? UM, THEN I MOVE THAT WE SEND THIS.
DONNA, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? THEN I MOVE THAT WE SEND THIS.
WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO SECOND THAT? SECOND PETER SECONDS.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO LOOK AT THIS BEFORE WE, UH, IT'S VERY SHORT.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SEND THIS TO YOU REALLY QUICKLY? AND YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU THINK WE SHOULD ADDRESS THAT WE DIDN'T ADDRESS, OR ANYTHING THAT'S AN ISSUE? UH, BEFORE WE A IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, WE COULD CHANGE IT BEFORE WE SENT THE FINAL.
AND IT, IT'LL TAKE YOU FIVE MINUTES.
IT'S VERY SHORT, BUT IN CASE THERE'S SOMETHING FROM A TOWN BOARD PERSPECTIVE YOU'D LIKE US TO ADDRESS THAT WE DIDN'T, WE OBVIOUSLY CAN, CAN FIX IT UP TONIGHT AND SEND IT RIGHT TO YOU.
WELL, IN THE MEANTIME, WE CAN LET OUR, OUR GUESTS FOR ELM WAS START TO BECOME VISIBLE.
UM, THEY'LL BE, THEY'LL BE STARTING VERY SHORTLY.
WE CAN SEE BRETT, BUT WE CAN'T SEE ANY OF THE OTHER FOLKS.
SO I GUESS THEY GAVE UP ANY HOPE OF OUR EVER ENDING AND GETTING TO YOU.
IT'LL JUST BE A MOMENT AND THEN WE'LL, UH, OH, JESUS.
GOOD TO SEE ALL OF YOU, DAVID.
JAMES, WHERE'D THAT BEARD COME FROM? I DON'T, I DON'T RECALL SEEING A BEARD ON YOU THE LAST TIME I SAW YOU.
I THINK HE GREW FROM LAST WEEK.
NOW YOU'RE TRYING TO INTIMIDATE EVERYBODY THAT HE'S, HE'S JUST SUCH A MACHO GUY.
I SHAVE ONCE EVERY TWO WEEKS AND I DID YESTERDAY.
SO, UH,
I REALLY SHOULD HAVE SENT IT TO YOU THIS MORNING.
LAUREN WOULD, WILL BE WITH US IN JUST A SECOND.
IN ADDITION TO THE APPLICANT, I WANNA NOTE WE HAVE, UH, KAREN LAB BRUTO FROM CHASIN HERE, UM, ENGINEERING AND PLANNING CONSULTANT, WORKING ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN, UM, ASSISTING IN THE PROCESS HERE.
SO, KAREN, KAREN IS THE TOWN'S CONSULTANT HERE, GARRETT? YES.
KAREN WAS, UH, AND, AND HER FIRM'S BEEN VERY ACTIVE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, WITH THE SCOPING DOCUMENT AND REVIEWING THE D E I S.
SO YES, I'VE BEEN HERE ALL ALONG.
PETER, DO YOU HAVE ALL THE NAMES OR DO YOU NEED MORE TIME, OR HOW ARE YOU NO, I HAVE THE NAMES.
I JUST DUNNO WHO THE HELL THEY ARE.
WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA CALL OUT A NAME, AND THEN IF YOU COULD TELL PETER, UM, WHAT YOUR FUNCTION IS AND WITHIN THE PROCESS.
MAXIMILIAN MAHALICK, ASSOCIATE WITH ZAIN AND
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STEINZ REPRESENTING RIDGEWOOD.I'M, UH, A PRINCIPAL WITH THE O I'M THE, UH, PRINCIPAL WITH THE OWNERSHIP GROUP.
WHEN BY YOU SAY, EXCUSE ME, THE OWNERSHIP GROUP, UH, WOULD YOU GIVE A NAME? NO, I MEAN, I'M THE OWN ELMWOOD.
I'M THE, UH, MANAGING PARTNER OF RIDGEWOOD ELMWOOD.
AND THAT'S THE PROPOSED DEVELOPER, CORRECT.
WE'RE THE OWNERS OF ELMWOOD COUNTRY CLUB.
YOU, YOU OWN IT NOW? WE DO, YEAH.
READY, PETER? YEAH, BRETT, UH,
SO YEAH, I'M WITH BRIDGEWOOD REAL ESTATE PARTNERS.
WHO? UH, THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT FOR BRIDGEWOOD.
WE ARE THE PLANNERS AND ENGINEERS FOR ELWOOD PRESERVE.
DAVID, YOU'RE SUCH A FREQUENT GUEST.
I THINK WE GOT EVERYBODY RIGHT? YEP.
MAKES IT MUCH EASIER FOR PETER TO GET THE MINUTES STRAIGHT SINCE WE CAN'T COLLECT BUSINESS CARDS.
I GUESS AT THIS POINT WE'RE OPEN TO HAVING, IS GARRETT AROUND TO HELP YOU GUYS IF YOU NEED TO SHOW US SOMETHING WE MISSING? UH, YEAH.
SO, UH, TERRY, IF IT'S ALL RIGHT, I JUST WANNA, UH, SAY A FEW OPENING REMARKS AND THEN I'LL, I'LL TURN IT OVER, TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT FOR A PRESENTATION.
SO, UH, YEAH, THANKS FOR, THANKS FOR HOSTING AND, UM, WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF, UH, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT PROCESS FOR THE, UH, LMM ONE COUNTRY CLUB.
AND, UH, THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL WAS IDENTIFIED AS, YOU KNOW, AS A, UH, IN, UH, INTERESTED AGENCY IN THE SEEKER PROCESS.
AND, UH, I KNOW YOU ALL RECEIVED THE EMAIL WITH THE LINK TO THE D E I SS WITH AN EXPLANATION, A BIT OF THE PROCESS, BUT I JUST DID WANNA REMIND YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVE SOME CONTEXT TO WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS.
UM, SO THE D E I S, UH, WAS PREPARED BY THE APPLICANT AND REVIEWED BY CHAZEN.
IT WAS DISTRIBUTED TO ALL, UH, INTERESTED IN INVOLVED AGENCIES.
AND THE TOWN BOARD IS LEAD AGENCY WILL BE HOSTING A PUBLIC HEARING ON JANUARY 27TH.
UH, AND THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON THE D E I S.
AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN THE LEAD UP IS, UM, WE'VE, UH, AS STAFF, WE'VE BEEN FACILITATING, UM, THE APPLICANT APPEARING BEFORE INTERESTED IN INVOLVED AGENCIES, YOU KNOW, AS A COURTESY REALLY TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WALK, WALK, YOU WALK YOU THROUGH THE PROJECT, AND WE HAVE USED IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, FOR, FOR BOARDS, UH, LIKE YOURSELF TO POSE QUESTIONS IF THERE'S THINGS YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, UM, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR, OR IDEAS ABOUT THE PROJECT MITIGATIONS, UH, THINGS THAT YOU THINK COULD IMPROVE THE PROJECT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, UH, FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION TO MAKE THOSE COMMENTS.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS SIMILARLY MET WITH, UH, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, TWICE, UH, PLANNING BOARD'S, AN INVOLVED AGENCY, UH, APPLICANT MET WITH THE, UH, SCHOOL DISTRICT AND, UM, THE APPLICANT RECENTLY MET WITH THE PARKS AND REC BOARD.
UM, THE PLANNING BOARD AS AN EXAMPLE, UM, I THINK POSED ABOUT 10 TO 15 QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT.
AND THE APPLICANT, UM, GIVES, GAVE ANSWERS WHICH WERE HELPFUL TO THE PLANNING BOARD'S KNOWLEDGE OF THE PROJECT.
UH, IN TERMS OF PROCESS, UH, WHAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IS WHILE YES, WE DOCUMENT THOSE ANSWERS THAT THE APPLICANT GAVE IN THE MINUTES, UH, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THOSE PLANNING BOARD QUESTIONS TO ULTIMATELY BE SENT TO THE TOWN BOARD AS LEAD AGENCY SO THAT THOSE, UH, QUESTIONS CAN MAKE THEIR WAY INTO WHAT'S CALLED THE FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
SO THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, FURTHER, UH, DOCUMENT THEIR, THEIR RESPONSES TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
AND WHAT'S VERY IMPORTANT IS THAT, UM, EVERY INVOLVED AND INTERESTED AGENCY AND RESIDENTS IN THE TOWN, UM, IN ULTIMATELY READING THAT FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT WILL HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THE QUESTIONS THE PLANNING BOARD ASKS, AND THAT THE APPLICANT ANSWERED.
SO YOUR QUESTIONS, UH, WILL ULTIMATELY BE SENT TO THE TOWN BOARD, AND WHILE THE APPLICANT WILL LIKELY GIVE GOOD RESPONSES TONIGHT, UM, THEY WILL BE FORMALIZED IN THE F E I S FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL.
UM, JUST THE OTHER THING I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND IS, UM, AT THIS POINT OF THE D E I S, UM, SORT OF THE GOAL IS, IS WHILE YOU ASK QUESTIONS AND YOU RECEIVE ANSWERS, AND YOU KNOW, YOU'RE FORMULATING IDEAS ABOUT HOW YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT CAN BE THE BEST IT CAN BE.
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UM, THE, THE END GOAL I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND, UM, IS NOT TO, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THIS MEETING, SAY, UH, OR MAKE, YOU KNOW, DEFINITIVE CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THE END USE.YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE IDEA IS NOT TO WALK AWAY FROM HERE THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO, UH, COME TO A CONCLUSION AND VOTE AS AN INTERESTED AGENCY THAT, OH, I LIKE, YOU KNOW, UH, VERSION SS OF THE PLAN OR VERSION C OF THE PLAN.
UM, THE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT, IT'S IN NEED OF PROCESS.
AND, UM, WE'RE SORT OF IN THE, THE INFORMATION GATHERING AND QUESTION ASKING, ASKING, UH, PORTION OF IT.
SO THERE WILL BE A TIME WHERE, UH, AN INTERESTED AGENCY LIKE YOURSELF, UM, WILL, YOU KNOW, HAS THE OPTION TO SEND FINDINGS TO THE TOWN BOARD, UH, THAT THAT TIME WILL BE SOMETIME AFTER THE F B I S.
SO, UM, I HOPE THAT'S HELPFUL CONTEXT.
UM, BUT THE LAST THING I'LL CLOSE WITH BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT IS MY RECOMMENDATION TO ALL INTERESTED AND, UH, INVOLVED AGENCIES IS TO ULTIMATELY COLLECT THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU ASK TONIGHT.
AND IF YOU HAVE OTHERS THAT YOU THINK OF BEFORE JANUARY 27TH AND PRIOR TO THAT MEETING AS A C A C, UM, YOU MAY WANNA SEND OVER A WRITTEN LETTER AS, AS AN INTERESTED AGENCY TO THE TOWN BOARD TO SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HEARD AN OR, OR A, A, A PRESENTATION, AND WE HAVE THIS LIST OF FIVE OR 10 OR 15 QUESTIONS THAT WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER FOR THE F E I S.
AND THAT'S REALLY A GREAT WAY FOR AN INTERESTED AGENCY TO PARTICIPATE.
SO, UH, I HOPE THIS IS HELPFUL, AND, UM, IF THERE'S ANY, ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.
OTHERWISE, I THINK IT'S, UH, A GOOD TIME TO TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT.
OH, UH, YEAH, GARRETT, UH, THAT, THAT WAS VERY, VERY HELPFUL.
YEAH, LET, LET ME JUST BE SURE SO THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT WE NEED TO GET YOU IN DOING AND WE, AND THAT WE DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.
UM, SO IF, IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT THE C A C HAS, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY DISCUSS IT, HAVE SOME DISCUSSION THAT, BUT YOU NEED OUR SECRETARY TO SEND YOU A LETTER THAT SAYS, WE HAD THIS MEETING AND THAT THE FOLLOWING OR THE QUESTIONS, NO CONCLUSIONS, BUT THE FOLLOWING OF THE QUESTIONS.
AND SO YOU NEED SOMETHING FROM OUR SECRETARY AS TO WHAT THE QUESTIONS ARE.
THERE'S ONLY SECRETARIAT
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO PUT IT.
UM, JUST COLLECT THOSE QUESTIONS AND, AND ULTIMATELY, UH, YOU COULD SEND 'EM TO STAFF AND THEN, OR, OR THE TOWN BOARD DIRECTLY.
UM, AND THEN YES, THE TOWN BOARD WILL TAKE QUESTIONS FROM YOU, TAKE QUESTIONS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, TAKE QUESTIONS FROM THE PARTS AND REC BOARD, UM, AND THEN AT THAT PUBLIC HEARING, THEY'RE GOING HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AND REALLY COMPILE THEM ALL.
AND THEN THE, THAT WILL CONTRIBUTE TO WHAT'S IN THE F B I S.
SO THE WAY YOU DESCRIBED IT, MIKE, I THINK WAS ACCURATE.
THE, THE FINAL, WHEN DO YOU NEED IT BY? SO WE DON'T, UH, YOU KNOW, SCREW UP THE PROCESS.
WHEN, WHEN DO YOU NEED THESE BY? I MEAN, IN MY OPINION, UM, I, I WOULD, SO THAT THERE'S A JANUARY 27TH, THERE'S A TOWN BOARD PUBLIC HEARING, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I WOULD, I, WE RECOMMEND IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, WELL, AT LEAST THEY HEARD TWO PRESENTATIONS AND WE ASKED THEM TO COMPILE THEIR QUESTIONS SO THAT THEY'RE IN A POSITION ON JANUARY 20TH TO VOTE, UM, THAT, HEY, THIS IS THE LIST OF QUESTIONS WE'D LIKE TO SEND AS A PLANNING BOARD TO THE TOWN BOARD, UM, SO THAT THE TOWN BOARD WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE THAT, UM, IN THEIR HAND.
IT WOULD BE MADE PART OF THE RECORD FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT A DROP DEAD DATE, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE RECOMMENDED TO THE TOWN BOARD.
SO I THINK LIKE SOME TIME IN THE MONTH OF JANUARY WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
WE CAN, WE CAN GET AS WE CAN GET TO YOU THIS MONTH, YOU JUST DON'T NEED IT IN THE NEXT 48 HOURS OR ANYTHING.
YEAH, NO, I WOULD SAY SOMETIME BEFORE JANUARY 27TH.
AND I WOULD GIVE YOURSELVES THE EXTRA TIME BECAUSE YOU MAY THINK OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS AND THAT YOU HEAR TONIGHT, SO DO NOT FEEL RUSHED.
BUT MY ADVICE WOULD BE BEFORE JANUARY 27TH.
YEAH, I WOULD THINK GIVE THEM, GIVE THEM TWO WEEKS.
YOU KNOW, YOU GET IT ONE WEEK, YOU CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU.
I CAN'T, I HAVE SO MUCH TO DO.
WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL BE ABLE TO MEET THAT SCHEDULE AND, AND IT'S OKAY IF WE DON'T HAVE A QUESTION TONIGHT, BUT WE THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S SOMETHING WE HAPPENS TONIGHT AND SOMEONE SAYS, GEE, I JUST WONDER IF IT'S OKAY IF IT COMES UP, UH, IN SUBSEQUENT C A C DISCUSSIONS.
MOST DEFINITELY, MOST DEFINITELY FINE TO, UH, SEND IN AND COLLECT QUESTIONS OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS.
APPRECIATE THAT, THAT VERY HELPFUL DISCUSSION.
SO THEN, LAURA, TURN IT OVER BECAUSE I GUESS THEY'RE GONNA WANNA SHOW US SOME VISUALS TAKE OVER THE SCREEN AND WE'RE GONNA HOLD OUR QUESTIONS TILL THE END.
RIGHT? I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE APPLICANT.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN INTERRUPT ME,
YOU DON'T WANT ME TO INTERRUPT YOU? OKAY.
I'M JONATHAN REBO, AND GARRETT, THANKS AS ALWAYS FOR, UH, THE WONDERFUL INTRODUCTION AND, AND, AND REALLY
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SETTING THE STAGE ON, ON THE PROCESS.SO GARRETT GAVE US THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE, AND THE TOWN BOARD WHEN THEY SCHEDULED THE DATE OF JANUARY 27TH, TO BE ABLE TO COME BEFORE INTERESTED, INTERESTED PARTIES TO, UH, TO PRESENT OUR PLAN AND REALLY GET THE CONVERSATION GOING.
AND IT'S GOOD FOR, FOR YOU, BUT IT'S ALSO GOOD FOR US TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE QUESTIONS ARE COMING FROM AND BE ABLE TO FOCUS ON, ON ANSWERING A LOT OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
SO I HAVE, I'M GONNA SHARE MY SCREEN, BUT I HAVE PROBABLY A FIVE MINUTE, MAYBE SEVEN MINUTE PRESENTATION, UM, TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE PROJECT, THE SCOPE, THE SCALE, UH, WHAT OUR GOALS AND INTENTIONS ARE.
AND THEN, UM, I'M HAPPY TO FIELD QUESTIONS.
UM, I'M HAPPY FIELD QUESTIONS FOR A LITTLE BIT.
MY KIDS ARE WAITING FOR ME TO START HANUKKAH, SO HAPPY HANUKKAH TO ANYBODY, UH, ANYBODY ELSE WHO'S, UH, WHO'S CELEBRATING TONIGHT.
UM, SO, UH, THE, LUCKILY THE SSS ARE SITTING IN MY ROOM, MY OFFICE, AND THEY KNOW THEY CAN'T COME AND GET 'EM WHILE I'M ON A ZOOM, SO, UH, SO, SO I'LL GET A FEW MORE MINUTES.
WHAT'D YOU SAY? THESE ARE NOT THEIR PRESENCE.
WHAT AM I LOOKING AT?
SO, UM, AS I SAID BEFORE, I'M JONATHAN REBO.
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF RIDGEWOOD REAL ESTATE PARTNERS.
WE ARE, UH, WE ARE THE OWNERS OF, OF RIDGEWOOD ELMWOOD, UH, OWNER, L L C, WHICH OWNS THE FORMER ELMWOOD COUNTRY CLUB, WHICH WE'RE CALLING ELMWOOD PRESERVE.
I ASSUME MY SCREEN'S UP, CORRECT? YES, IT IS.
SO, UH, ELMWOOD PRESERVE, OR THE ELMWOOD COUNTRY CLUB, JUST SO WE CAN GET A POINT OF REFERENCE, IS 106.8 ACRES THAT GOES FROM THE SPRAIN TO WORTHINGTON ON THE NORTH SIDE OF DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
UM, THE PROPERTY DOES HAVE, IT SITS ABOUT 14 ACRES ON THE, ON THE EAST SIDE, UM, WITH THE REMAINING, WITH THE REMAINING, UH, 92 ACRES ON THE WEST SIDE OF A CONED POWER LINE.
UM, INTERESTINGLY, AS I, AS I LIKE TO POINT OUT, THE CONED POWER LINE IS NOT AN EASEMENT.
SO IT DOES BISECT, UM, DOES BISECTS OUR PROPERTY INTO, INTO ONE LARGE PIECE AND ONE SMALLER PIECE.
UH, THE PROPERTY HAS, THE PROPERTY HAS, UM, SO I'LL JUST GO BACK.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED BOTH R 20 AND R 30, SO 20,000 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY, UH, WHICH SITS JUST ABOUT THIS NORTHWEST RECTANGLE IS R 20.
WHILE THE REST OF THE PROPERTY IS R 30 OR 30,000 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILIES, OUR PROPOSAL IS TO TAKE THIS, IS TO TAKE THE PROPERTY AND DEVELOP IT INTO 175 UNIT, UH, ACTIVE ADULT OR 55 AND OVER PUD DEVELOPMENT.
OUR PLAN IS TO HAVE, UM, MOSTLY THROUGH, UH, FOUR PACK BUILDINGS OF TOWN HOMES IN A TRADITIONAL, UH, A TRADITIONAL TWO STORY PRODUCT.
THIS PLAN, AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, HAS ALSO IN ON THE EAST SIDE, WE'RE PROPOSING TO DONATE AND TO PROGRAM OR BUILD OR, UH, THE LAND AND THE DOLLARS NEEDED FOR AN EXPANSION TO RUM BROOK PARK.
UM, COUPLE OF THINGS I'D JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT ABOUT THE PARK.
UH, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT A NEW ENTRANCE IN.
SO AS WE ALL KNOW, IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF AN AWKWARD ENTRANCE WITH WHERE THE SPRAINING COMES OUT.
UM, SO, SO YOU'LL SEE, I CAN, WE CAN ZOOM IN AND TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER, BUT, SO THERE'S A 14 ACRE PARK FOLLOWED BY 175 UNITS OF ACTIVE ADULT.
OVER HERE ON THE WESTERN SIDE IS OUR AMENITY AREA DOWN HERE, UH, WHICH INVOLVES A CLUBHOUSE, A POOL, TENNIS COURTS.
UM, SO AS I MENTIONED, OUR CURRENT ZONING IS R 20 AND R 30.
WE'RE APPLYING FOR A PUD DESIGNATION, WHICH ALLOWS FOR A FLEXIBLE USE AND DESIGN REGULATIONS THAT ALLOW FOR US TO, TO HAVE A SELF-CONTAINED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD OF VARYING SCALES.
OUR GOAL IS TO BE ABLE TO PRESERVE OPEN SPACE, PROMOTING MORE EFFICIENT USE OF THE LAND.
UM, WE'RE SURROUNDED AT, UH, WE'RE SURROUNDED, IF I GO BACK IN THIS THING, WE'RE SURROUNDED BY A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT USES.
UH, WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY TO OUR NORTH AND WEST.
UH, WE HAVE THE, UM, THE ASSISTED LIVING SENIORS, UM, PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET ON DOBBS FERRY, WHICH LINES UP DIRECTLY WITH OUR PROPOSED ROAD.
UH, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE DRIVING RANGE, AND THEN SOME LARGER HOMES ON WESTCHESTER.
ON WESTCHESTER VIEW, OUR PROVO OUR, WE BELIEVE OUR PROPOSAL PROVIDES MORE HOUSING CHOICES FOR THE RESIDENTS OF GREENBERG IN THOSE IN THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
UM, THE FORMER COUNTRY CLUB HAS GRADUAL UNDULATIONS AND A VARIABILITY AND TOPOGRAPHY
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WITH, WITH LIMITED STEEP SLOPES.THE INTENT OF OUR GRADING PLAN WILL BE TO BALANCE THE EARTHWORK SO THAT NO EXCESS MATERIAL WILL BE NEEDED, MINIMIZING THE NEED FOR ANY IMPORT OR EXPORT.
MY, MY FAVORITE PART OF OUR DESIGN IS REALLY THAT WE'RE ABLE TO ACHIEVE, UH, MORE THAN 50% OF THE LAND FOR OPEN SPACE OR PARKS.
WE HAVE 45 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE THROUGHOUT OUR PROJECT, AND THE 14 ACRE PARK THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE, WHICH LEAVES ABOUT 45, 47 ACRES FOR THE HOUSING AND, AND ROADS AND THE AMENITIES.
UM, THIS JUST GIVES YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THE GREEN SPACE THAT IS WITHIN THE DEVELOP, SORT OF WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE DEVELOPMENT PARCEL ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CONED, UH, THE CONED POWER LINES.
SO YOU COULD SEE WE HAVE A 200 FOOT BUFFER AROUND OUR PROPERTY, BOTH ON THE NORTH AND WEST.
UH, WE CAME UP WITH THAT BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT THE WIDTH OF A FAIRWAY.
SO OUR NEIGHBORS WERE USED TO SEEING A GOLF COURSE.
SO WE, WE WANT, WHEN WE LAID THIS OUT AND WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT, WE, WE KEPT THE, THE 200 FOOT BUFFER AROUND THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, AS I SAID, WHICH IS, IS VERY SIMILAR TO, TO THE WIDTH OF THE, OF THE GOLF HOLES THAT THEY USED TO, THEY USED TO HAVE ON THEIR BORDERS BEFORE.
UM, WE'RE DISTURBING, UH, 75 ACRES OF LAND, UH, IN OUR BUYRIGHT ZONING SCHEME, WHICH IS, UH, I SHOULD MENTION IS 119 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WHICH CAN BE FIT IN OUR BUYRIGHT.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THAT PLAN TOWARDS THE END OF OUR PRES OF MY PRESENTATION.
IN THAT PLAN, WE HAVE 95 ACRES OF DISTURBANCE.
I MENTIONED THE 200 FOOT OPEN SPACE, UH, WHICH INCLUDES GENEROUS SCREENING FROM OUR ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
OUR LANDSCAPING PLAN, UM, TAKES ADVANTAGE OF OUR EXISTING SITE FEATURES WHILE CREATING, UH, WHAT WE BELIEVE IS AN, IS AN ATTRACTIVE SETTING FOR RESIDENTS AND THEIR GUESTS.
UM, CONSISTENT WITH THE GRADING AND DRAINAGE REQUIREMENT, A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF TREES WILL EITHER BE PRESERVED OR PLANTED.
UM, THERE ARE 606 TREES WITHIN THE LIMIT OF OUR DISTURBANCE.
WE'RE ABLE TO KEEP 91 OF THEM, UM, WITH SEVEN HUNDRED AND NINETY SEVEN, SEVEN HUNDRED AND NINETY THREE TREES PLAN TO BE PLANTED FOR A NET GAIN OF 278.
THEY'RE BROKEN DOWN AS FLOWERING, DECIDUOUS AND EVERGREEN.
UM, OUR PLAN IS TO HAVE A MAIN BOULEVARD ENTRANCE, UH, AND THEN, AND INTERNAL STREETS BOTH LINED WITH LANDSCAPING, INCLUDING A UNIFORM PLANNED PALETTE, UH, WHICH WE HOPE CREATES A CONSISTENT VISUAL RHYTHM AND PROVIDING UNIFYING EL ELEMENTS.
UM, ALSO INTRODUCING A VARIETY OF SPECIES WITH CHARACTERISTICS TO PROVIDE A VISUAL INTEREST THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN A LOT OF GOLF COURSES AROUND THE COUNTRY, UM, BUT PARTICULARLY IN THE NORTHEAST, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF NON-NATIVE, NON-NATIVE TREES THAT HAVE BEEN PLANTED THROUGHOUT GOLF COURSES.
THEY WERE USED AS QUICK GROWING AND SEPARATION BETWEEN FAIRWAYS.
SO WE FIND A LOT OF THAT IN, IN OUR PROJECTS.
SO WE END UP PLANTING A LOT OF, A LOT OF NEW TREES IN ORDER TO, TO SUPPLEMENT, UM, AND THEN LAWN AREAS AROUND THE UNITS.
BUT OUR GOAL IS TO TAKE A LOT OF THE OPEN SPACE AND LET IT GO BACK AND BE MAINTAINED AS, AS A MEADOW.
UM, THE NEW YORK STATE OFFICE OF PARKS AND REC AND HISTORIC HISTORIC PRESERVATION HAVE ISSUED A LETTER OF NO EFFECT FOR ELMWOOD PRESERVE PROJECT, UM, STATING THAT THE PROJECT WILL HAVE NO IMPACT ON HISTORIC OR CULTURAL RESOURCES.
UM, AND THE SITE DOES NOT CONTAIN ANY ENDANGERED OR THREATENED OR RARE OR SPECIAL CONCERNED SPECIES OF PLANT OR ANIMAL.
UM, WE HAVE NO GROUNDWATER MITIGATION NECESSARY, UM, TO UTILIZE OUR BEDROCK IRRIGATION WELL.
SO THE COUNTRY CLUB HAD AN IRRIGATION WELL THAT, UM, THAT'S BEEN, THAT'S ON SITE AND WAS IN USE FOR IRRIGATING THE, THE GOLF COURSE.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND BE ABLE TO USE, UM, USE THAT WATER FOR NON-POTABLE PURPOSES FOR THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM, WHILE THE MUNICIPAL WATER WILL COME FROM GREENBURG CONSOLIDATED DISTRICT ONE.
UM, AND THEN AS MENTIONED, THERE'S, WE, WE DON'T PERCEIVE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS TO THE GROUNDWATER RESOURCES, UH, WATERCOURSE AND WETLANDS.
WE HAVE NO DIRECT WETLAND OR WATER CLO WATERCOURSE IMPACTS PROPOSED.
UH, IN FACT, WE'RE ENHANCING THE POND AND THE SMALL WATERCOURSE THAT ARE ON THE, ON THE SITE.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, PREPARED TO MITIGATE POTENTIAL HYDRAULIC HYDRAULIC CHANGES THAT COULD IMPACT ON OR OFFSITE WETLANDS AND WATERCOURSE.
UH, WE HAVE 2.43 ACRES OF WETLAND DISTURBANCE.
UM, A NET DECREASE IN IMPERVIOUS AREA BY 0.4 ACRES.
UM, ANY IMPERVIOUS SURFACES WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE BUFFER, UH, WILL BE REPLANTED IN ADDITION TO AN ENHANCEMENT PLANTINGS AROUND OUR POND.
UH, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'LL HAVE FLOWERING AND SHADE TREES.
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UM, ALSO THE ENTIRE BUFFER WILL BE PLANTED WITH A WILDFLOWER MIX AND RYE GRASS.SO THIS JUST GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF SENSE OF THE, THE WATERCOURSE OR THE WETLANDS THAT WE HAVE ON OUR PROPERTY.
UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THIS WAS THE MAIN SOURCE OF IRRIGATION WAS THE POND THAT IS, UH, JUST OFF DOBBS FERRY ROAD ABOUT CENTER OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A BIT OF, UH, A SWATH OF, OF WATERCOURSE THAT, UH, 600 AND UH, 602 FEET AND AN AVERAGE WIDTH OF FIVE FEET, UM, IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER.
UM, JUST SORT OF MENTION THE POND AREAS, ABOUT 1.3 ACRES WITH A BUFFER AREA OF JUST, UH, A THOUSANDTH UNDER FOUR ACRES.
SO IT'S, UH, SO JUST FIVE FIVE AND A THIRD ACRES DOWN THERE.
UM, OUR STORM ORDER PRACTICES WITH INFILTRATION TO PROVIDE WATER QUALITY AND RUNOFF REDUCTION THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY IMPLEMENTED ON THE SITE.
UH, OBVIOUSLY PEAK RATES OF RUNOFF EXITING SITE WOULD BE REDUCED FOR EACH MODEL STORM EVENT, AND WE DON'T PERCEIVE ANY ADVERSE STORMWATER IMPACTS TO THE SITE OR ITS DOWNSTREAM AREAS.
UM, ON THE SANITARY SEWER FRONT, UH, WE'RE LOCATED IN THE SAWMILL RIVER, UH, SAWMILL SEWER DISTRICT, UH, SERVED BY YONKERS JOINT WATER RESOURCE RECOVERY FACILITY.
UH, THERE'S PLENTY OF CAPACITY IN THE YONKERS FACILITY, AND GREENBERG CONSOLIDATED WATER AND SEWER HAVE PROVIDED A WILL SERVE LETTER, UH, THAT THERE'S SUFFICIENT CAPACITY, AND WE DON'T, UH, THERE'S NO INDICATION OF ISSUES REGARDING OUR DOWNSTREAM INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, THERE'S SOME ENVIRONMENTAL CONTAMINATION THAT'S COMMONLY FOUND, UH, ON GOLF COURSES IN 2019.
WE FOUND ARSENIC LEAD D ELDRIN, AND SOME PESTICIDES, WHICH EXCEED THE NEW YORK STATE SOIL CLEANUP STANDARD OBJECTIVES.
UM, FRANKLY, IT'S VERY COMMON ON GOLF COURSES.
UH, WE HAVE HAD THEM ON EVERY GOLF COURSE WE HAVE DONE, WHICH I THINK IS 12 OR 13 NOW, EXCEPT FOR ONE.
UM, WHICH WAS A, A MORE RECENT COURSE YOU FIND 'EM.
UH, THESE PESTICIDES WERE, WERE APPLIED IN THE SIXTIES, SEVENTIES, AND EARLY EIGHTIES.
UM, SO THE CONDITIONS WILL BE REMEDIATED DURING DIS DURING CONSTRUCTION AS, UH, AS YOU CAN FIND IN OUR SOIL MANAGEMENT PLAN.
UM, AND THE EXISTING GROUNDWATER WELL IS STILL ACCEPTABLE FOR IRRIGATION EVEN WITH, UM, EVEN WITH THE, UH, THE PESTICIDES THAT HAVE BEEN FOUND ON THE SITE.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA TAKE THE NEXT COUPLE, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA SWITCH SHEETS.
DID THIS, DID MY MAP CHANGE? YES.
SO, AS GARRETT POINTED OUT BEFORE, PART OF OUR PART OF OUR STUDY WAS TO LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE, UH, WE WERE ASKED TO STUDY DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES FOR DEVELOPMENT THROUGHOUT, FOR OUR PROPERTY.
SO WE HAVE STUDIED, WE WERE ASKED TO STUDY A NUMBER OF WHICH I'LL FLIP THROUGH.
WE WERE ASKED TO STUDY A NUMBER OF ALTERNATIVES, WHICH ARE LABELED FROM E TO F IN, UH, IN THE PACKAGE THAT YOU RECEIVED.
UM, I'M JUST GONNA, I LIKE TO START HERE BECAUSE IT POINTS YOUR ATTENTION THAT THERE'S A COMPARATIVE CHART AT THE END.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO STUDY THIS NOW, BUT IN THE PACKAGE THAT GARRETT, UM, HAD CIRCULATED, YOU'LL SEE AT THE END, UM, THIS CHART.
AND IT'S A GOOD WAY FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF LOOK AT THE PICTURES AND LAY IT OUT AND, AND SEE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN EACH THING.
SO IT MIGHT TELL YOU HOW MANY AREAS OF DISTURBANCE OR HOW MUCH CUT AND FILL IS GONNA HAPPEN, AVERAGE UNIT SIZE, NUMBER OF BEDROOMS, AND IT COMPARES THEM BETWEEN ALL OF THE DIFFERENT, ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PLANS.
SO I'LL JUST GO BACK AND SO THIS IS THE PLAN THAT, SO NUMBER ONE IS OUR APP IS OUR PREFERRED PROPOSAL, WHICH IS THE ONE I JUST SPENT TIME TALKING TO YOU ABOUT IS 175, UH, MULTI TOWNHOUSES, MULTIFAMILY TOWNHOUSES WITHIN 55 AND OVER AGE RESTRICTION.
AND THIS, THIS, I, HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
I KNOW I SAID I WASN'T GONNA ASK A QUESTION.
YOU SAY WHAT? 280 PEOPLE? YEP.
HOW COME, UH, HOW COME WE SAY 280 PEOPLE? YEAH.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THREE BEDROOMS. I MEAN, I GAVE BIRTH TO MY FIRST CHILD WHEN I WAS 40.
OH, I SHOULD ACTUALLY ADDED, I SHOULD ADD THAT POINT.
THERE ARE NO THANK, THERE ARE NO CHILDREN ALLOWED IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO, SO IF I WAS 55 AND I WANNA MOVE IN THERE WITH MY LITTLE BABY BOY, I'M NOT ALLOWED.
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FOR A NEW FACILITY.IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM WITH THREE BEDROOMS AND WITH THREE BEDROOMS AND TWO GARAGE, SAY, AND MR SPEAKING FROM SOMEONE WHO SINGLE HER WHOLE LIFE, IT JUST SEEMS AN ODD THING THAT THERE WOULD BE THAT MANY OF THESE ONE PERSON WITH A TWO CAR GARAGE AND, AND, AND THREE BEDROOMS. WHAT, WHAT DO THESE THINGS COST? WHAT DO THESE COST? UM, YOU'RE TALKING THESE WOULD BE $900,000 HOMES FOR LIKE ONE PERSON, TWO PEOPLE.
SO, UM, SO AS I WAS SAYING, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS THE PROPOSED PLAN THAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH.
UM, THE NEXT ONE, THE NEXT PLAN IS THIS IS THE ZONING COMPLIANT ONE FAMILY SUBDIVISION PLAN WITH NO AGE RESTRICTION.
SO THIS IS THE, OH, JONATHAN, YEAH.
I THINK TERRY ASKED A QUESTION AND THEN I THINK, UM, THERE WAS SOME MULTI, MULTIPLE QUESTIONS GOING ON.
I GUESS, UM, JUST TO, JUST TO BUILD QUICKLY BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, ON TERRY'S QUESTION.
SO AT THE 1 75, UM, AND THE TWO 80, I MEAN, IF, IF THERE WAS, IF YOU ASSUMED A 1 75 WITH, UH, HUSBAND AND WIFE OR JUST, YOU KNOW, TWO PEOPLE, UM, TWO PARTNERS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU DOUBLE THAT YOU GET TO 3, 3 50, I GUESS YOUR PROJECTION IS THAT THERE'S X PERCENT THAT IT WOULD JUST BE, YOU KNOW, A LOAN, A LOAN HOUSEHOLD.
IT, IT IS JUST AS SIMPLE AS THAT WOULD BE THE, UM, RESPONSE.
UM, JAMES, I THINK JAMES IS HERE SOMEWHERE.
JAMES, DO YOU KNOW HOW THE CALCULATION IS? WHAT, WHAT, UH, I'M SURE YOU FOLLOWED A, UH, THE, THE PLANNER'S, UH, INFORMATION.
DO YOU KNOW HOW, WHAT THE FORMULA IS? UM, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, UM, I DON'T, BUT THE, UM, THE ECONOMIC, UH, AND, UM, DEMOGRAPHIC CONSULTANT, PHILLIPS PRICE, UH, INCLUDED THAT INFORMATION IN THERE.
UM, ECONOMIC ANALYSIS, WHICH IS OH, SO MUCH.
THERE WAS SO MUCH INFORMATION IN THE PACKAGE.
HERE'S WHAT I GOTTA SAY THOUGH.
IF YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TWO, YOU HAVE AN OLD HUSBAND, OLD WIFE, YOU KNOW, DON'T PEOPLE HAVE TO COME IN AND HELP THEM, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TWO CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY, OR, OR THE CHILDREN COME AND, OR THEY'RE HANGING ON THE DRIVEWAY AND WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE AS FEW CARS AS YOU THINK.
WELL, I, I WANNA GO BACK TO ASHLEY.
THAT WAS MY QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE PROJECTION OF THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS, BECAUSE THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS YOU'RE PROJECTING WOULD THEN HAVE BEEN UNDERLYING YOUR ESTIMATES OF THE TRAFFIC, IF I'M CORRECT.
THAT BECOMES SOMETHING, THE TRAFFIC ACTUALLY A FORMULA SET BY THE STATE BASED UPON THE DESIGNATION OF THE, UH, OF THE COMMUNITY.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO.
I KNOW, BUT THERE, SO, EXCUSE ME, MARGARET, SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE, THE BASIS OF OCCUPANCY THAT WAS USED FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS HIGHER THAN WHAT YOU'RE PROJECTING? NO.
AS THE POPULATION? NO, I, I WASN'T, I WAS JUST SAYING THAT IT'S A SET, THE TRAFFIC IS BASED UPON A SET FORMULA SET BY THE STATE FOR THE TYPE, THE FORMULA IS SET, BUT YOU'RE USING A NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS AND I'M, AND I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW YOU ARRIVED OR WHAT YOUR SOURCE IS FOR THAT.
WE, WE'LL, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT ONE.
WELL, IT DOES THIS SHOW, IF IT DOES, I PAUSE, I CAN'T FIND IT.
DOES THIS PART SHOW WHAT YOU ARE PROJECTING UNDER EACH ALTERNATIVE FOR THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS? IF SO, WHERE IS IT? NO, IT DO YOU MEAN THE ACTUAL PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIVE THERE? YEAH.
ON THE, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YES, YOU DO.
YOU HAVE A POPULATION ON THE, YEAH, THE TOTAL POPULATION IN SCHOOL CHILDREN.
UM, IT'S A, YEAH, I, A BIG OBJECTION WITH THAT, BRAD.
DOES IT STUDY EACH INDIVIDUAL ALTERNATIVE, THAT TOTAL POPULATION? YEAH.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE, WHAT DO YOU THINK THE MAX IS? BECAUSE I THINK PERSONALLY, I THINK YOU HAVE THREE BEDROOMS, AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO HAD KIDS LATE IN LIFE.
I THINK YOU HAVE 700 PEOPLE HERE, BUT THERE'S NO, FIRST OF ALL, WE CAN'T, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE 700 PEOPLE.
YOU NOT TO HAVE ALLOWED, ALLOWED TO HAVE CHILDREN.
YOU KNOW, I, THEY, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THE FIGURE YOU USED ON THE COMPARISON IS 280 PEOPLE.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE? WHO ARE THOSE OTHER PEOPLE? YOU HAVE THREE BEDROOMS FOR GENERAL LAB TO HAVE TWO PEOPLE.
THEY HAVE CHILDREN OF 19 OR OLDER, AND THAT'S QUITE POSSIBLE.
BUT THOSE PEOPLE CANNOT BE PERMANENT UNITS NEED THREE BEDROOM UNITS.
UNITS, BUT YOU ONLY HAVE TWO PEOPLE.
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WHAT, WHAT I WAS WHY WOULD BUY THAT? WHAT I COULD SUGGEST, WHY DON'T I FINISH GOING DO IT.HOW DO YOU, ENFOR HOW DO YOU ENFORCE THIS? YOU DO YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE, UH, ELMWOOD PRESERVE SECURITY THAT GOES IN? YEAH.
SO
AND DAVID, DAVID COULD GO INTO AN HOUR OF DETAIL ON THAT.
BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHAT'S INTERESTING IS WHAT'S, WHAT'S INTERESTING IS, IS FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S COMMUNITIES LIKE THIS ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE NO PROBLEM ENFORCING, ENFORCING THEIR REGULATIONS.
HOW DO YOU ENFORCE IT? UH, FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVE H O A DOCUMENTS.
YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE YOUR CCNRS, IT'S ALL RECORDED AGAINST THE PROPERTY.
HOW, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU ENFORCE IT ON THE LAND? WELL, I UNDERSTAND.
HOW DO YOU ENFORCE IT ON THE LAND? JONATHAN, LEMME JUST GO AHEAD HERE.
MARGARET MAR, MARGARET'S CHILD COMES HOME FROM SCHOOL.
SHE'S GOT TWO, AND ONE IS ABOVE THAT AGE AND BOTH, AND ONE IS BELOW THAT AGE, AND THEY BOTH COME HOME.
AND HOW DO YOU ENFORCE THAT AND TELL HER AND, AND SAY, HEY, JUNIOR, THE YOUNGER ONE, GET THE HELL OUTTA HERE.
SO, SO MIKE, THE SHORT ANSWER THAT JONATHAN ALREADY GAVE YOU REALLY IS THE MOST ACCURATE, WHICH IS THE DECLARATION OF COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS.
THE TOWN BOARD ASKED US THIS QUESTION ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
WE ACTUALLY WROTE THEM A MEMO, MIKE, AND SUPPLIED SOME CASE LAW WHERE HOAS THEMSELVES DID ENFORCE THESE TYPES OF PROVISIONS.
SO THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IT'S REALLY ENFORCED BY YOUR NEIGHBORS.
JUST LIKE IN A COMMUNITY LIKE THAT, UH, YOU CAN'T HAVE A BUSINESS OPERATING OUTTA YOUR, OUTTA YOUR HOME.
YOU CAN'T HAVE PEOPLE LIVING THERE WHO AREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE LIVING THERE.
SO THE H O A WOULD ENFORCE IT, AND WE WOULD MAKE THE TOWN AN ADDITIONAL, UH, ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY SHOULD THE TOWN BOARD WISH TO REQUIRE A CO VIOLATION BY HAVING, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT.
THAT IS REALLY INTERESTING TO ME.
COULD YOU, COULD YOU AND MAKES ME EXCITED.
PLEASE, COULD YOU PLEASE SEND US A COPY OF THE MEMO? BUT I CAN SEE CHRIS GOING IN TOING DOWN.
I DON'T THINK CHRIS, CHRIS IS OUR CHIEF OF POLICE.
I DON'T THINK CHRIS GONNA DO THAT.
SO, SO THE GOOD NEWS IS, CHRIS, IS GOOD NEWS IS CHRIS ISN'T GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE I THINK, UM, AND I THINK AS THE BOARD PROBABLY KNOWS, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST AGE RESTRICTED ACTIVE ADULT COMMUNITY IN NEW YORK STATE IN THE UNITED STATES.
SO WE'RE NOT BREAKING UNCHARTED TERRITORY HERE.
SO AS JONATHAN SAID, WE'LL ADDRESS THIS IN THE F E I S, WE'LL PROVIDE SOME WRITTEN INFORMATION, UM, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
I THINK WE WANNA LET JONATHAN GO ON WITH THE PRESENTATION.
OTHER THINGS YOU'D LIKE TO DO THIS EVENING.
UM, SO I, I'D JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'D LOVE FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT DURING THIS PRESENTATION, THE FUTURE, THE QUESTIONS, IS THE COMPARISON BETWEEN THE ZONING AND COMPLIANT PLAN AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, BECAUSE WE THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, ESPECIALLY SOME OF, OF THE THINGS THAT YOU TALK ABOUT, NUMBER OF RESIDENTS, UH, TRAFFIC AREAS OF DISTURBANCE, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, WE COULD ALL GET INTO A LENGTHY DISCUSSION ABOUT, ABOUT DO WE THINK IT'S RIGHT, DO WE THINK IT'S WRONG? DO WE THINK THAT THERE IS THE RIGHT NUMBER OF PEOPLE? BUT TRULY, I WANT TO JUST POINT YOU TO THE COMPARISON OF WHAT WE THINK REALLY MAKES OUR PLAN STAND OUT.
AND THAT IS THAT WITH THE ACTIVE ADULT PROJECT, YOU HAVE LESS TRAFFIC AND LESS DISTURBANCE AND MORE OPEN SPACE.
AND WE'RE GONNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME OVER THE NEXT NUMBER OF MONTHS AND IN FRONT OF THE TOWN BOARD.
AND THE INTERESTED, UH, I'LL LEAVE THAT IN TALKING ABOUT THAT.
SO THE NEXT, WHAT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU AND WHAT'S BEEN UP ON THE SCREEN, THIS IS THE ZONING COMPLIANT PLAN, WHICH IS THE, WHICH IS 119 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON 20,000 AND 30,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.
UM, THE NEXT, UH, THING THAT WE WERE ASKED TO STUDY, WHICH IS ALTERNATIVE C, THIS IS 126, UH, 126 UNITS, SINGLE FAMILY, SMALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH, UH, NO AGE RESTRICTION.
SO THIS CALCULATION OF THE DENSITY IS BASED UPON, UH, KEEPING THE CURRENT ZONING IN PLACE WITH NO PUD.
UM, THE NEXT PLAN IS ALTERNATIVE D, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR, EXCEPT THIS HAS A 55 AND OVER AGE RESTRICTION ON IT.
UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I SHOULD POINT OUT IS, IS THAT IN SOME OF THESE PLANS, WE ARE OFFERING TO DEDICATE THE, UM, DEDICATE THE, THE PARK, UM, THE LAND FOR THE PARK, BUT IN NO PLAN.
BUT OUR 175 UNIT ARE WE WILLING AND, AND ARE PROPOSING TO,
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UH, ACTUALLY PROGRAM THE PARK.WE EXPECT IT TO BE ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLAR, UH, PARK EXPANSION.
WHEN YOU SAY TO PROGRAM IT, YOU'RE GONNA PAY FOR LIKE WHATEVER THEY NEED THERE, PAY FOR IT ALL.
I'LL SHOW YOU A ZOOMED IN PICTURE ON IT.
THAT'S VERY NICE IN A, IN A MINUTE.
SO, UM, THIS IS OUR SIMILAR PLAN, 175 UNITS.
THIS IS THE POD, BUT THERE IS NO AGE RESTRICTION ON HERE.
UM, AND THEN THIS, UM, THIS IS ALTERNATIVE F WHICH IS A ZONING COMPLIANT 55 AND OVER TOWN HOME PLAN.
SO THIS IS 126 UNITS SIMILAR TO THAT SINGLE FAMILY PLAN.
UM, THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS, UH, AGE RESTRICTED 126 UNITS.
BEFORE I WRAP UP, JUST JONATHAN, JONATHAN, WHY DO YOU JUST, I'M SURE THERE'S AN ANSWER TO THIS, BUT EXPLAIN TO ME LIKE AN F WHY IS THAT ZONING COMPLIANT? SINCE I THOUGHT IT WAS 119, UM, I USED THE WORD ZONING COMPLIANT.
WHAT I SHOULD HAVE SAID IS IT IS BASED UPON THE CURRENT ZONING.
SO IN OUR PROPOSAL TO GET TO 175 UNITS, THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS ZONED FIRST TO R 20 FROM THE MIX AND THEN THE PUT ON TOP.
SO THE CALCULATION GETS YOU TO 175 UNITS IN THIS PLAN, WHAT WE CALL ZONING COMPLIANT, WHICH MAYBE ISN'T THE MOST PERFECT LANGUAGE, BUT IT IS BASED UPON THE DENSITY THAT WOULD BE CALCULATED, UM, UNDER A PUD WITH AN R 20 R 30 SPLIT.
SO THEY THE FORMULA, RIGHT? SO, SO, SO, AND THAT'S WHY MIKE, THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THAT THE 126 UNIT THEME IN A COUPLE OF THESE ALTERNATIVES ARE BASED UPON THAT ZONING CALCULATION.
AND, AND THE ONLY ONE THEN YOU NEED AN AMENDMENT FOR IS, UH, THE 1 75.
UH, WE WOULD NEED A ZONING, DAVID, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE WOULD NEED A ZONING AMENDMENT, UM, BEFORE THE P SOME OF THESE WE WOULD, IF IT'S 1 26, WE JUST NEED THE PUD, RIGHT, DAVID? THAT'S CORRECT.
THERE, THERE, THERE'S A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES HERE.
THEY HAVE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF THE AMENDMENT THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY.
BUT THE, THE PLAN THAT WE'RE SEEKING APPROVAL FOR, ALTHOUGH WE'VE STUDIED THESE ALTERNATIVES, THE PLAN, THE BASE PLAN REQUIRES FIRST A REZONING TO THE ENTIRE SITE IS R 20, WHICH JONATHAN EXPLAINED.
'CAUSE IT'S SPLIT ZONED NOW R 20 AND R 30.
AND THEN SECONDARILY TO PUT THE PUD ON TOP OF THAT, THAT GETS US TO THE DENSITY OF THE 175.
IT ALLOWS THE CLUSTERING AND CONSOLIDATION INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE.
SO THE LAST THING, AND THEN I'M HAPPY TO TAKE A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS IS I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A ZOOMED IN ON WHAT OUR PROPOSAL IS FOR THE PARK.
UM, THIS IS NOT WRITTEN IN STONE, BUT THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT CAN BE, WHAT CAN BE DONE, UM, WHAT CAN FIT, WHICH IS TWO BASEBALL FIELDS, BASEBALL OR SOFTBALL FIELDS, PLAY AREA.
UM, THIS IS A REGULATION SIZE SOCCER FIELD, WHICH ALLOWS FOR ALL FIELD SPORTS TO BE PLAYED.
THE REGULATION SOCCER FIELD IS ACTUALLY THE LARGEST, UH, THE LARGEST FIELD THAT IS NEEDED.
AND THEN IT'LL DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS NEW ENTRANCE TO OR, OR CONNECTION TO BROOK PARK, UH, TO BROOK PARK ALLOWING, UM, THIS INTERSECTION, WHICH WE'VE MENTIONED TO NEW YORK STATE ALREADY WHEN WE MET WITH THE D O T, COULD ALLOW FOR THEM TO COME IN AND DO A REALIGNMENT OF THIS INTERSECTION IN THE, IN WHICH WE THINK IS A, WHICH IS A, A NICE ADDED BENEFIT IF, IF THEY SO DESIRE.
UM, SO THAT'S MY, UH, THAT'S MY PRESENTATION AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE REALLY GO AHEAD, MARGARET.
OH, I, YOU KNOW, I HAVE, UH, A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS.
UM, SO HOW DO WE KNOW, HOW DO WE HAVE AN ASSURANCE THAT AN H O A IS GONNA BE FORMED? WE'VE ALREADY INDICATED THAT IN OUR DOCUMENTS, THE FINDING STATEMENT ULTIMATELY WILL, UH, INDI WILL ALSO SPECIFY THAT, AND OUR APPROVAL WILL BE PREDICATED UPON THAT.
YEAH, BUT SO WHAT, SO HOW IS, HOW IS IT ENFORCED, MARGARET? WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WE DON'T GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
WE PROBABLY DON'T EVEN GET A BUILDING PERMIT WITHOUT THAT H O A DOC DOCUMENT BEING APPROVED BY TIM LEWIS AND ON FILE.
SO IT'S, YEAH, WELL, I, I GOTTA SAY, UM, LIVING IN THIS TOWN, LIKE MY, MY EXPERIENCE IS WE'VE BEEN BUILT UP, WE'VE HAD PROMISES OF HOAS.
NO ONE GOES IN AND SAYS, OH, YOU DIDN'T FORM YOUR H O A AND LIKE HIT HIM OVER THE HEAD WITH A BROOM.
SO I, I HAVE, SO WHAT'S THE LEGAL, WHAT'S THE LEGAL, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU MAKE AN H O A TAKE
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CARE OF ALL THIS OTHER PROPERTY? SO IS YOUR, IS YOUR QUESTION, HOW DO YOU MAKE THE H O A TAKE CARE OF PROPERTY? OR HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS AN H HOA? HOW DO H O A MAKE SURE THERE'S AN H O A THAT TAKES CARE OF THE PROPERTY? SO THE, THE, THE, THE COMMUNITY PROPERTY THAT NO ONE ELSE CARES ABOUT, THEY JUST WANNA LIVE.THEY CAME FROM NEW YORK, NOW THEY GOT A LITTLE BACKYARD, THEY'RE SO HAPPY AND THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS ADDRESS IN THE F E I S AND GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM AND THE BUDGET THAT WE THINK WOULD BE ALLOCATED BY THE H O A TO, TO ENSURE THAT THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
I I CAN ONLY ANSWER THAT IN A, IN A COMMUNITY LIKE WHAT JONATHAN HAS PROPOSED AND IS PLANNING AT THE PRICE POINT THAT THAT IS ANTICIPATED, THIS WILL BE A VERY WELL CARED FOR COMMUNITY.
IT'S NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE A, YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.
IT'S NOT FAIR TO MAKE, TO MAKE MY CLIENT TRY TO SOLVE ANY COMMUNITY IN THE TOWN THAT HAS NOT LIVED UP TO EXPECTATIONS.
ALTHOUGH I VISITED MANY OF THE CONDOS, HOAS, AND TOWNHOUSE COMMUNITIES IN GREENBURG, UH, SOME OF THE TOWN OFFICIALS LIVE IN THEM.
THEY'RE LOVELY AND THEY'RE WELL CARED FOR.
SO, BUT REGARDLESS OF THAT, UM, LET US RESPOND IN WRITING AND PROVIDE YOU WITH WHAT THE STANDARD THAT HE'S ANTICIPATING, UM, WILL BE THE, THE REQUIREMENT FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
I, I I, IS IT POSSIBLE TO PROVIDE THAT IF THE H O A DOESN'T DO WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO, THE TOWN HAS THE RIGHT TO AND CREATES AN AS ASSESSMENT ON THE PROPERTIES? SO I THINK THAT'S A TERRIFIC QUESTION, MIKE.
AND I WOULD THINK THAT THE TOWN, AND, AND I WANNA, I WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND I WANNA TALK TO, UM, TIM AND OTHERS.
I WOULD THINK THAT TO THE EXTENT THAT IT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT IN THE APPROVAL RESOLUTION THAT THE OPEN SPACE BE MAINTAINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH A PLAN THAT'S, UH, SPECIFIED IN THE F A I S, IF THAT'S VIOLATED, IT'S NO DIFFERENT MIKE THAN YOU OR MARGARET DOING SOMETHING UNLAWFUL AND IN VIOLATION OF THE CO ON YOUR PROPERTY.
SO YES, IT WOULD BE ENFORCEABLE BY THE TOWN.
I, I, I, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
BUT I, I HAVE SOMETHING I WANNA SAY HERE.
GETTING WHAT YOU PLANNED FOR THE H O A TO DO, IT SOUNDS TO ME AS THOUGH YOU NEED TO HIRE A PROFESSIONAL TO DO THOSE JOBS OF ABSOLUTELY.
EVERY HO A WE ALWAYS HIRE, THERE ARE HIRED PROFESSIONALS.
THERE'S PROFESSIONAL MANAGEMENT COMPANIES THAT RUN THE HOAS.
THERE WILL BE, THERE'LL BE A, THERE COULD BE A BOARD OF RESIDENTS, BUT THERE, THEY HIRE, WE DO AS THE, AS THE DEVELOPER.
AND THEN ONCE IT'S TURNED OVER TO THE RESIDENTS, THERE IS A MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT'S IN, THAT'S IN PLACE.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES WE HAVE DEVELOPED ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY.
UM, AS DAVID SAID EARLIER, WE ARE NOT BREAKING, UH, I WISH I WAS CREATIVE ENOUGH TO, UH, TO HAVE THOUGHT OF THIS ON MY OWN.
BUT, UH, I AM EMULATING MANY OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT, THAT NO, NOT ONLY HAVE WE DONE, UM, FROM ARIZONA TO LAS VEGAS, TO FLORIDA, TO MARYLAND, NEW HAMPSHIRE, WE HAVE PROJECTS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND EVERYONE HAS RULES, REGULATIONS, RECORDING DEEDS, RESTRICTIONS, UM, TO PRETTY COMMONPLACE THING.
YOU ACTUALLY, IN A WE OR A DEVELOPMENT, I SHOULD SAY THAT IS 119 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES HAS WAY LESS RESTRICTIONS IN COMMON MAINTENANCE THAN SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
WOULD, THE IDEA BEHIND HAVING A A MASTER PLAN OR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT IS YOU HAVE A VERY UNIFORMED APPROACH.
'CAUSE EVERYTHING IS MAINTAINED BY ONE BY ONE ENTITY.
I JUST, I JUST WANNA SAY I'VE SEEN A LARGE DEVELOPMENT GO IN, IN OUR TOWN WITH THE PLAN WAS AN H O A WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMMUNITY PROPERTY AND HOA HAS NEVER FORMED THE, THE, YOU KNOW, JIM LEWIS NEVER DID ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
AND IT'S LIKE A S**T SHOW I'VE SEEN.
I, I THINK, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO DO HERE IS LOOK AT THE, LOOK AT THE SOLUTIONS THAT CAN MAKE THAT NOT HAPPEN.
THAT IS A TOWN PROBLEM, NOT ONE.
IT'S A TOWN PROBLEM, BUT, YOU KNOW, LET'S, CAN THE BUILDERS, CAN THE BUILDERS DO ANYTHING TO COMPEL THE TOWN? I WAS JUST WONDERS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO WORK ON.
BUT LET'S, I HAVE A QUESTION, IF I MAY PLEASE.
I WAS WONDERING IF SOMEONE COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THE, UM, PLAN FOR MANAGING THE, UM, CHEMICALS THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO REMEDIATE ALL OF THAT ARSENIC AND OTHER THINGS THAT WERE LISTED OUT.
UM, AND YOU'RE NOT TAKING ANY OFF.
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JUST, YOU'RE JUST, YOU'RE JUST SHUFFLING IT AROUND.BRETT, COULD YOU DO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL WHAT WHAT WE DO HERE? SURE.
OUR, OUR PLAN IS TO, UM, THE, THE, THE SOIL WITH THE ARSENIC, IT'S NOT A HIGH LEVEL, BUT WE ARE NOT PLANNING ON REMOVING IT UNLESS THERE WE HIT THE HOTSPOT WHERE IT WAS VERY HIGH.
THAT ARSENIC WILL BE PLACED IN BERMS AND LANDSCAPED AREAS AND CAPPED WITH, UH, SOIL.
SO YOU WON'T COME IN CONTACT WITH IT? MOST OF IT.
WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF IT? UH, I MEAN, ANYTHING THAT IS NOT CAPPED WILL BE HAULED OFFSITE.
BUT OUR PLAN IS NOT TO HAUL OFF ANY, RIGHT NOW, WE DO NOT THINK WE HAVE TO HAUL ANY SOIL OFFSITE, BUT IF FOR SOME REASON WE FIND SOME, WE WILL HAUL IT OFF TO AN APPROPRIATE LANDFILL.
OTHERWISE IT'LL BE CAPPED ON SITE.
WHEN YOU SAY CAPPED IS, HOW IS IT SEALED? UH, IT HAS TWO FEET OF CLEAN SOIL OVER THE TOP AND THEN PLANTED WITH VEGETATION.
THERE'S ALSO A, UH, ORANGE GEOTECH STYLE FABRIC THAT'S RECOMMENDED TO BE PLACED BETWEEN THE LAYERS SO THAT THERE'S A CLEAR DELINEATION OF THAT.
WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO INDICATE ON THE MAP WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO PLACE THESE, UH, THIS SOIL? I MEAN, 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE A WETLANDS THERE THAT EVENTUALLY RUNS INTO THE RUM BROOK, WHICH EVENTUALLY RUNS INTO THE BRONX RIVER, WHICH EVENTUALLY RUNS INTO THE LONG ISLAND.
SO BRETT, I WOULD THINK YOU CAN DO THAT IN THE F E I S.
WE CAN, WE CAN ADDRESS THAT IN THE F E I SS.
I HAVE, UH, SOMETHING ELSE I, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT USING THE WELL IRRIGATION, BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO CONTAMINATED.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO CAP THE CONTAMINATED SOIL AND PUT DOWN FRESH FILL, WHICH I GUESS YOU ARE BRINGING IN.
AT ONE POINT, I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU WERE NOT GOING TO BRING IN ANY, ANY FILL, BUT THEN YOU'RE GOING TO IRRIGATE IT WITH THIS CONTAMINATED WATER.
SO, SO A COUPLE POINTS OF CLARIFICATION THERE.
THERE'S NO GROUNDWATER CONTAMINATION ON THE SITE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OCCURS WHEN ON GOLF COURSES LIKE THIS AND YOU HAVE CHEMICALS, UM, GOOD AND BAD, THOSE CHEMICALS DON'T, UM, UH, THEY DON'T DISSIPATE.
THEY ACTUALLY STAY IN A VERY HIGH TOP.
THEY STAY IN THE TOP LAYER OF DIRT.
THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T BREAK DOWN.
UM, SO IT MAKES FOR EASIER CLEANUP, BUT IT ALSO MAKES FOR, UM, IT ALSO MAKES THAT IT DOESN'T TRAVEL.
IT DOESN'T TRAVEL DOWN AND CONTAMINATE WELLS.
SO THE WELL IS, UH, HAS BEEN TESTED AND IS NOT CONTAMINATED.
UM, THE ARSENIC BINDS TO THE SOIL PARTICLES AND DOESN'T MIGRATE THROUGH THE SOIL.
IT STAYS WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU, AND THEN THE SECOND THING ABOUT BRINGING IN FILL, WE'RE NOT BRINGING IN FILL, THERE'S PLENTY OF CLEAN FILL.
YOU USE THE FILL THAT'S ON THE PRO, YOU USE THE DIRT THAT'S ON THE YEAH.
SO THAT'S WHY OUR CONCERN WAS YOU'RE GONNA DUST IT ALL UP AND PUT IT IN THE AIR AND KIDS AROUND WILL SNIFF IT UP AND GET SICK.
UM, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? UH, AN ECONOMIC QUESTION.
UM, YOU SAID THAT YOUR THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT THESE UNITS WOULD BE SELLING FOR $900,000.
WHAT WAS THE, UH, ESTIMATED COST OF THE HOUSES THAT YOU USED FOR YOUR CHART? WHAT DID YOU USE AS A DOLLAR FIGURE ON THE ESTIMATED COST OF, UH, THE HOUSE THAT YOU WOULD BE PROJECTING IN THE R 30 AND R 20 ZONES THERE? YOU MEAN ON A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE? ON A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, YES.
PROBABLY A SIMILAR PRICE POINT.
NOT A HIGHER ONE ON THE R THIRTIES, I MEAN, MAY, I MEAN A LITTLE BIT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S IN THAT RANGE, BUT IT, IT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PRETTY SOLID MILLION, YOU KNOW, A MILLION DOLLARS IS PROBABLY THE CAP.
GENERALLY SPEAKING, I MEAN, SOMEBODY MIGHT CHOOSE A PUT SOME EXTRAS IN, RIGHT.
BUT, BUT THE AVERAGE PRICE WILL BE IN THAT RANGE.
AND TERRY, IT WAS SO MUCH
I I WAS LOOKING OR ASSESSED IT OVER A MILLION.
SO I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT FIGURE YOU USED WE COMPARING, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES AND ORANGES TO ORANGES, BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE DOING THE TAX CALCULATION, IT DOES REALLY DEPEND.
AND YOU'LL FIND IN, IN OUR DOCUMENT IS ALL OF THOSE ECONOMIC AND TAX CALCULATION.
THEY, THEY'RE BURIED IN THERE SOMEWHERE WHERE I CAN GET WHAT, SOMEWHERE IN THAT 500 SOMETHING PAGES.
HOW ABOUT NOISE? SO, UM, I READ THERE WON'T BE ANY MORE NOISE, BUT NOW YOU HAVE LIKE A LOT MORE
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COWS MOOING IN THE BARNS, RIGHT? AND YOU DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ANY MORE NOISE SO THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THIS CIRCLE OF HOUSES AND THERE'S MORE PEOPLE MOOING IN HOUSES AND YOU DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA CARE AND THERE'S NO NOISE POLLUTION.I'M, I'M NOT SURE I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
SO NOISE, NOISE, NOISE IS ANNOYING.
NOISE IS ANNOYING, BUT, BUT I, I, COULD YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A BUILDING HERE, A BUILDING THERE, A BUILDING HERE, A BUILDING OR A BUILDING THERE.
AND THEY'RE ALL, EVERYBODY'S COMING OUT AND THEY'RE DUMPING IN THE ROAD TO GO TO LIKE THE LITTLE POOL OR WHEREVER YOU GO.
I MEAN, I COULD ALSO DEVELOP IT FOR 119 SINGLE FAMILIES AND DISTURB EVERY ACRE OF PROPERTY ON THERE.
MY ZONING COMPLIANT PLAN IS 119 UNITS.
IT'S YOU COULD, BUT I, I WOULDN'T APPROVE IT.
OKAY, MORGAN, LET'S, LET'S MOVE ON.
WHO ELSE HAS A QUESTION? DONNA, DO YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS? NO ONE CARESS ABOUT THE NOISE.
WHAT? FOR THE LIGHT POLLUTION, YOU ARE ONLY SAYING YOU'RE GONNA LIKE DISTURB, NOT DISTURB YOUR NEIGHBORS.
WHAT ABOUT THE PLANTS AND THE, LIKE, THE, THE, THE WILDLIFE? WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT IN, UH, IN THE WRITTEN FORM.
DONNA, I KNOW YOU WERE LOOKING AT THIS.
DO YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS? UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
I ALSO WATCHED THE, UM, THE PLANNING BOARDS MEETING, AND I THOUGHT THAT HUGH BROUGHT UP SOME GOOD POINTS AND I, I KNOW YOU'LL BE ADDRESSING THEM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT I AGREED WITH HIM ABOUT THAT.
RIGHT NOW, THE SINGLE FAMILY LAYOUT PLAN, THE HOUSES SEEM TO BE LARGER THAN YOU WOULD REALISTICALLY BUILD, AND HE WANTED TO SEE A PLAN THAT WAS, I THINK WITH SMALLER HOUSES, LIKE A 2,400 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE INSTEAD OF THE 4,500 SQUARE FOOT, UM, HOUSE, SO THAT HE COULD COMPARE REALLY WHAT YOU WOULD BUILD AND NOT THE MAXIMUM BUILD OUT.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT TOO, ESPECIALLY FOR BEING ABLE TO, UM, COMPARE IN PREVIOUS AREAS AND DISTURBANCE, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT DONNA, WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA DO THAT.
WE HEARD HUGH'S QUESTION LOUD AND CLEAR.
IF YOU WATCH IT, AND, AND I'M SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THE ANALYSIS THAT JONATHAN AND AND J M C DID WAS MUCH LIKE WHAT I DO WITH YOUR OFFICE ON OTHER PROJECTS, UH, WHERE WE DO A WORSE CASE, UH, ANALYSIS FOR SECRET PURPOSES.
SO BY NO MEANS WAS ANYBODY ANTICIPATING A MAXIMUM HOUSE WOULD BE BUILT ON EVERY LOT, BUT FOR ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY PURPOSES, JUST LIKE, AGAIN, LIKE D T S DOES, UM, J M C DID A THOROUGH ANALYSIS.
AND I TOTALLY LIKE, I I HEARD THAT RESPONSE YESTERDAY AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTOOD IT.
UM, AND I, I, I KNOW YOU SAID YOU WOULD DO IT, AND I JUST WANNA SAY I, I AGREE WITH HUGH'S COMMENT AND I APPRECIATE THAT, THAT YOU UNDERSTAND IT AND WE'LL RESPOND TO THAT.
UM, I ALSO WANTED TO, I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE FOR WHY THIS WOULD BE 55 PLUS AND NO KIDS.
UM, I KNOW SOME COMMUNITIES HAVE ISSUES WITH, UM, OVERPOPULATION IN THE SCHOOLS.
I DON'T THINK GREENBERG, UM, OR ELMSFORD HAVE THAT.
SO I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND BETTER WHY IT'S AGE RESTRICTED.
UM, UH, THE AGE RESTRICTION WAS CHOSEN BY US.
UM, IT WAS PART OF WHAT WE DECIDED WAS GOOD FROM A MARKETABILITY STANDPOINT.
IT'S A PRODUCT THAT REALLY DOESN'T EXIST IN THIS FORM IN WESTCHESTER, IN IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY, AND REALLY A LOT OF NEW YORK STATE OUTSIDE OF LONG ISLAND.
UM, SO THERE IS DEFINITELY A SIDE OF MARKETABILITY AND BRINGING A PRODUCT THAT IS A LITTLE BIT, OR, OR A, A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
UM, FRANKLY, IN A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED WHEN WE GO INTO MOST MUNICIPALITIES AND WE OFFER, UH, YOU KNOW, TO DO ACTIVE ADULT AND NO SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN, THAT THAT'S, UM, IT WAS SURPRISING TO COME HERE AND, UH, NOT PEOPLE NOT GO.
UM, WE HAVE TALKED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.
THEY DO HAVE ROOM FOR, UM, FOR SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN.
THEY AREN'T OPPOSED TO HAVING MORE KIDS.
UM, SO, SO SOME OF IT WAS MARKETABILITY.
THIS WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF, IT WAS MARKETABILITY FOR, FOR A PROJECT.
UM, YEAH, I I THINK BOTH SCHOOL DISTRICTS, AS HE SAID, HAS AN, I'VE INDICATED THAT THEY, UH, ARE OPEN TO IT.
AND I THINK THAT'S, UH, A FAIR ASSESSMENT.
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THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER ADVERSE IMPACTS THAT COME WITH THE 119 UNITS.AND FROM A SMART PLANNING AND A SMART DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, WE LIKE OUR, WE LIKE OUR PLAN.
I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HAVE 175 UNITS, NOT AGE RESTRICTED, BUT IT'S PROBABLY, UH, IF, IF WE WANNA GO DOWN THAT ROUTE, IT'D BE MY PLEASURE.
BUT PROBABLY, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT, THAT AT THE HUNDRED 75, NO, 'CAUSE THERE ARE TAX ISSUES THEN YOU'RE GETTING INTO VERSUS THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
SO I I A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON, ON THE, ON THE R 30 LOTS GONNA PAY FOR THE PAY FOR THE SCHOOL, GET TAXES.
BUT I HAVE A QUESTION IN TERMS OF, YOU'RE SAYING YOU, YOU'VE DEVELOPED ALL OF THESE, DO YOU ACTUALLY BUILD THEM OR DO YOU JUST GET ALL THE ZONING, UH, APPROVALS AND THEN TURN IT OVER TO SOMEONE ELSE TO BUILD? UM, WE'RE NOT A, UH, WE'RE WE DO NOT GO VERTICAL.
WE DO, UM, BOTH THE ZONING AND ENTITLEMENT, AND THEN WE DO A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE WORK TOO.
SO WE'RE CURRENTLY BUILDING A NUMBER OF, UH, DEVELOPMENTS, BUT WE SELL TO BUILD, WE'LL SELL THEM TO BUILDERS.
YOU'LL SELL THEM TO BUILDERS TO ACTUALLY BUILD OUT.
SO WHAT, SO WHEN WE, WHEN YOU, YOU'LL BASICALLY BE TURNING OVER THE PROJECT AFTER THE EVE SITE IS PREPARED AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THAT IS THAT, UH, SOMETIME BETWEEN FI FINAL APPROVALS AND INFRASTRUCTURE BEING IN? YES.
SO THAT MEANS THAT ANYTHING THAT IS AGREED TO BY YOUR ORGANIZATION WOULD HAVE TO BE FINALIZED IN SOME WAY, LIKE ANY, ANY ARRANGEMENTS FOR THE P CLAND AND THE MONEY TO AB ABSOLUTELY BE, THOSE ARE THE VERY, VERY COMMONLY DONE IN LOT, YOU KNOW, IN A NUMBER OF, REALLY, IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT FORMS, EITHER IN TERMS OF, UM, A DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT OR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL OR, UM, YOU KNOW, DEEDS AND RESTRICTIONS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE DONE IN LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
TERRY, THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT FOR ME.
TERRY, ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA EFFECTIVE AGAINST A IS IS GONNA HAVE TO BE RECORDED IN THE, UH, IN THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY OFFICE.
YEAH, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO BE, TO BRING THAT UP AND SEE THAT WE ALL, WE, I UNDERSTOOD WHAT WOULD BE HAPPENING.
'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT HAD BEEN THE IMPRESSION I HAD.
I, YOU KNOW, I, TIME IS GETTING LATE AND I KNOW IT IS A HOLIDAY.
AND FOR THOSE, UH, YEAH, TERRY, I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS.
I DID NOT REALIZE THAT I'M ALL GOOD.
YOU SEE HOW LONG JONATHAN'S CANDLES KEEP BURNING? THAT'S GOOD.
ONE NICE DAVID WAY TO BRING THAT FULL CIRCLE.
I DID SEE MY YOUNGEST AT THE DOOR HERE, BUT I CHEW HER AWAY.
UM, ONE, NOT A QUESTION JUST TO COMMENT.
I, I THINK YOUR CONCEPT, JONATHAN, ABOUT HAVING THE 200 FOOT BUFFER IS AN EXCELLENT COMMENT.
I KNOW THERE WAS A COMMENT BY SOMEONE ON THE PLANNING BOARD ABOUT SHRINKING THAT SO THAT THERE'S MORE, UM, RECREATION IN THE MIDDLE.
I, I THINK THE C A C WOULD, UH, BE OF THE VIEW THAT YOU, THE TURN FOOT BUFFER IS, IS, IS A SUPERIOR IDEA WHAT YOU ORIGINALLY HAD PLANNED.
UM, THE, UM, UH, AND I I I MAY HAVE MISSED, AND I APOLOGIZE, I MAY HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD YOU.
I THINK YOU SAID YOU PLANT A LOT OF NON-NATIVE TREES? NO, NO.
WE, WE, WHAT YOU FIND IN GOLF COURSES THAT OVER, I WOULD SAY FROM THE NINETIES INTO THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS, THEY PLANTED A LOT OF NON-NATIVE TREES AS FAST-GROWING SEPARATION BETWEEN FAIRWAYS.
SO THERE'S NOT, YOU DON'T ALWAYS FIND IN GOLF COURSE DEVELOPMENTS, A LOT OF TREES THAT ARE WORTH SAVING BECAUSE THEY'RE EITHER DETERIORATING OR NON-NATIVE.
SO THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE IDENTIFIED, I THINK IF I REMEMBER 90 TREES TO SAVE AND THEN WE'LL SUPPLEMENT WITH, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS UPON HUNDREDS OF NEW WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO PLANT NATIVES OR NON-NATIVES? OH, NATIVES.
UH, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GONNA PLANT, I'M GONNA PLANT WHAT THE EXPERTS AND, UH, THE, THE TOWN PROFESSIONALS TELL ME TO PLANT.
WAIT, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT'S A POLICY OF THE C A C TO PLANT, UH, NATIVES, OF COURSE, BUT I AM, UH, I'M GOOD AT, UH, GARDEN AND THAT'S ABOUT IT.
UH, NEXT QUESTION I HAD IS, I, AND, AND I KNOW ON THE SOUTH SIDE, I THINK I GOT THIS RIGHT, ON THE SOUTH SIDE YOU HAVE A, A, A A POND, AND ON THE NORTHEAST YOU HAVE A, UH, UH, A A LITTLE, A LITTLE WATERWAY, UH, A WATERCOURSE.
WHAT IS THE TOPOGRAPHY? THERE'S THE LAND SLOPE DOWN TOWARDS THE POND.
DOES THE SLOPE INTO THE WATERWAY? WHAT IS THE DEPOSIT? YEAH, SO YOU HAVE, UM, I'M JUST GONNA SHARE MY SCREEN AGAIN.
IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
IT, IT GOES IN A COUPLE, YOU KNOW, YOU DEFINITELY HAD A PRETTY UNDULATING PIECE
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OF, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD A SEMI UNDULATING PIECE OF PROPERTY.UM, UH, THIS, UH, I WOULD SAY IN YOUR NORTHEAST CORNER OR YOUR NORTHEAST SIDE HERE, IT GOES TOWARDS THESE NEIGHBORS IN THIS BUFFER AREA IS GOING FROM THE HOUSING, PROPOSED HOUSING TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, AND THEN IT GETS A LITTLE HIGHER.
AND, AND ALSO FROM THIS NORTH PROPERTY LINE, SO IT SITS A LITTLE LOWER.
THIS IS THE OLD DRIVING RANGE THAT SAT LOWER.
UM, THEN UP HERE IN THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY OF THIS 200 FOOT BUFFER, IT GOES TO, IT GOES TO THE EAST.
YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A HIGH POINT SOMEWHERE AROUND THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY THAT GO, I MIGHT NOT HAVE THAT EXACT, BUT IT GOES TO THE EAST TO THAT WATERCOURSE THAT'S IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER.
UM, AND THEN YOU DO HAVE, ON THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, IT'S, IT'S GENTLE, BUT YOU DO HAVE, UH, IT DOES COME TOWARDS DOBBS FERRY ROAD, PROBABLY ALSO ABOUT A CENTER POINT COMING TO DOBBS FERRY.
THERE'S A FEW PLATEAUS, SOME UNDULATION.
IT GOES TO WATER IN THE NORTHEAST AND IT COMES TO THE POND IN THE, IN THE SOUTH.
CAN YOU, UH, FLIP, FLIP BACK SO WE CAN SEE EACH OTHER PLEASE?
SEE WHICH ONE SO WE CAN SEE EACH OTHER.
NOW THE, THE QUESTION I ASK IS, UM, COULD YOU PLEASE ADDRESS IN, UH, IN YOUR E UH, YOUR E I S UM, WHAT BUFFERING FILTERING YOU ARE GONNA PUT IN, UM, TO PROTECT THE WATER? AS YOU KNOW, UH, DAVID KNOWS IN THE TOWN OF GREENBERG, THOSE BODIES OF WATER ARE PROTECTED NATURAL RESOURCES.
UM, AND, UM, JUST WOULD YOU ADDRESS WHAT SPECIFIC BUFFERING YOU'RE GONNA PUT IN THERE? UH, IN TERMS THERE WOULD, YOU KNOW, FILTER WHATEVER.
IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S HUGE RUNOFF.
'CAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S, UH, YEAH, WE'LL BE SURE TO, UH, IF, IF WE'LL BE SURE TO ADDRESS THAT.
COULD WE PLEASE, NEXT QUESTION IS, COULD WE PLEASE GET A COPY, UM, OF THE MEMO THAT YOUR, UH, YOUR COUNCIL SENT THE TOWN BOARD REGARDING THE AGE RESTRICTIONS AND ENFORCEMENTS? SURE.
AND THE, THE FINAL QUESTION, MIKE, I ASSUME YOU'RE GONNA PUT ALL THESE IN YOUR QUESTIONS SO THAT WE COULD RESPOND TO THEM IN WRITING, RIGHT? YES.
IS THAT RIGHT, PETER? ARE WE GONNA PUT THESE IN IN OUR QUESTIONS? YEAH.
AND FINALLY, WHAT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO PLEASE RESPOND TO IS, UM, WOULD YOU PLEASE LOOK, UH, I'M SURE DAVID HAS A COPY IF YOU DON'T.
WE, WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO.
UM, UM, THERE'S A SECTION CALLED 11.64.
11.6 0.4, UM, AND THE SECOND SENTENCE READS, THERE ARE NO PLANNED POLICIES TO ALLOW A GREATER DENSITY OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN EXISTING ONE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONED DISTRICTS.
WOULD YOU PLEASE DISCUSS IN YOUR, UM, UM, UM, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT, UM, HOW YOUR PLANS THAT ARE NOT ONE 19, IF THAT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER.
I ASSUME YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER.
COMPLY WITH THE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I HAVE JUST ONE MORE SMALL ONE AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE POND.
ARE THERE PLANS TO DO ANYTHING TO, UM, SORT OF RE BANK THE POND? 'CAUSE CURRENTLY THE POND SPILLS OUT ONTO DOBBS FERRY ROAD WHEN IT RAINS HEAVILY.
I, IS THERE ANY PLAN TO DO ANY WORK AROUND THE POND TO, UM, JAMES, YOU WANNA, YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT? YEAH, CURRENTLY THERE'S VERY LITTLE STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE SITE.
OUR PLAN, UH, PROVIDES A SERIES OF, I THINK FIVE, UH, BOTH WET EXTENDED DE TENSION BASINS AND INFILTRATION BASINS AS WELL AS VEGETATIVE SWES.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE TAKING THE WHOLE PROPERTY, WE'RE GONNA BE DEALING WITH ALL THE STORMWATER ON THAT PROPERTY, WHEREAS A LOT OF IT'S GOING DIRECTLY THROUGH THAT POND AND THOSE PROBLEMS ON FERRY ROADS.
SO OUR PLAN REDUCES ALL THE RUNOFF, PEAK RATES, VOLUMES, AND PROVIDES MORE WATER QUALITY.
SO YES, THAT'S ADDRESSED AND THAT'S DETAILED IN OUR STORMWATER POLLUTION PREVENTION.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? WELL, WELL, TERRY, I THINK WE ALREADY ASKED OUR CONSULTANT IF SHE HAS ANY COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE.
WE ISSUED OUR COMPLETENESS, UM, COMMENTS AND THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT FED INTO THE ULTIMATE, UM, FINDING THAT THE D E I S WAS COMPLETE ALONGSIDE THE TOWN'S COMMENTS.
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BE TAKING, YOU KNOW, A MORE SUBSTANTIVE LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE REVIEWING ALL OF THE COMMENTS MADE BY ALL THE COMMITTEES AND PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT ARE COMING IN.AND, UM, UM, WE WILL BE ISSUING FURTHER COMMENTS.
OKAY, THANK YOU CARRIE, I'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION.
WILL THIS PROJECT BE SUBJECT TO THE NEW TREE LAW REQUIREMENTS? YES.
UNFORTUNATELY, THERE AREN'T VERY MANY TREES ON THE PROPERTY, SO WE'RE
IT'S, IT'S NOT, MY RECOLLECTION IS THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TREES ON THE PROPERTY NOT GOOD, AND THE ONES THERE ARE NOT.
UM, AND CAN, IF I COULD PLEASE LET ME SUPPLEMENT JUST, UH, ONE THING, JONATHAN AND DAVID, WHEN YOU ADDRESS 11.6 0.4, WOULD YOU ALSO PLEASE ADDRESS THAT IF A, IF THIS PROJECT IS PERMITTED TO HAVE MORE RESIDENCES THAN, UH, THE STATEMENT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS THAT THERE WOULD BE NO ADDITIONAL, UH, NO GREATER DENSITY PER ACRE, HOW THAT AFFECTS DEVELOPMENTS ON OTHER GOLF COURSES THAT ARE GOING TO OCCUR IN THE FUTURE.
IS THAT IT? THAT I WISH THOSE WHO ARE CELEBRATING HANUKKAH A HAPPY HANUKKAH.
I FEEL VERY SORRY FOR JONATHAN'S CHILDREN.
I DID NOT WANT A LOT OF ADULTS BETWEEN ME AND MY PRESENCE AT THEIR AGE.
SO YES, SHE'S, SHE'S NINE AND SHE IS WAITING.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR, UH, FOR YOUR TIME TODAY AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO, TO MEETING AGAIN AND ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS.
AND, UH, THANK I'M VERY HAPPY PRESENTATION.
CAC MEMBERS, I THINK WE PROBABLY GONNA DO A LOT OF WORK OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS OR SO VIA EMAIL, WHICH IS PROBABLY EASIEST.
RIGHT? TERRY? WE SHOULD HEAR FROM, UH, KEN IS, UH, IF HE AND KEN HAS LEFT, HAS LEFT.
UH, MIKE, I BELIEVE KEN LEFT AND, UH, HE HAD A, HE HAD ANOTHER MEETING AND UH, I ALSO HAVE TO GO, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UM, WORK WITH THE C A C I WILL TELL YOU, I MEAN, I BROUGHT IT DOWN, GARRETT.
WHEN, WHEN DID THE, WHEN WAS, WHEN DID THE PACKAGE GO OUT TO THE C A C MEMBERS FOR ELMWOOD? UM, LET'S SEE.
THAT WOULD'VE BEEN SHORTLY AFTER THE, UM, D E I S, UH, WAS
WELL, WE DIDN'T GET A PACKAGE.
WE HAD DID THIS ONLINE, ELECTRONIC, GOT IT.
I THINK I, I SENT DONNA A, A HARD COPY OF VOLUME ONE.
I'LL RESEND THE LINK TOMORROW AND, UM, IF ANYONE IS REALLY STRUGGLES WITH THE ONLINE, JUST GIVE US A CALL AND, UM, WE'LL SEE WHAT WE, WE WE CAN DO FOR YOU.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AS THE C A C MEMBERS.
I WILL TELL YOU A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS YOU ASKED TONIGHT ARE THE EXACT TYPE OF QUESTIONS THAT BELONG IN AN F E I S AND THEY'RE GONNA HELP OTHERS AS THEY READ THE RESPONSES.
I WAS MISLED BY THE SOIL AND GROUNDWATER TESTING RESULTS.
UH, THAT WAS WHY I THOUGHT THE WATER WAS CONTAMINATED.
IT SEEMS THAT APPARENTLY THE GREENS, THE THE AMOUNTS OF CONTAMINANTS ARE NOT IMPORTANT HERE.
WELL, NO, I THINK WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS THAT THE WATER ITSELF IS NOT CONTAMINATED.
IT'S NOT PORTABLE IN THE SENSE THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE SOMEONE DRINK IT.
'CAUSE IT MIGHT HAVE LIKE BACTERIA IN IT OR SOMETHING.
SO THEY'RE NOT PLANNING TO USE THE WATER.
OH, I UNDERSTOOD THAT FOR DRINKING.
BUT IT, IT'S USABLE TO FOR THAT.
I DO THINK THERE'S A QUESTION I THINK THAT NEEDS FURTHER PURSUING IN TERMS OF THEIR HANDLING OF THE POLLUTED SOIL.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING IT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, IF YOU'RE PUT, IF YOU'RE MOVING IT OVER AND YOU'RE BUILDING A MOUND OVER BY THE STREAM LITTLE STREAM THAT GOES INTO RUM BROOK, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GREAT LOCATION FOR IT.
SO I THINK THERE ARE SOME ISSUES ON THAT THAT WE NEED TO LOOK A LITTLE CLOSER TO.
I THINK YOU PICKED UP SHARON AND WHAT I DID THAT SEEMED TO BE THE ONE BIG, YOU KNOW, SORT OF FLAG ENVIRONMENTALLY WAS THE AMOUNT OF POLLUTANTS ON THE PROPERTY.
'CAUSE I'D ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THE POLLUTED SOIL IS.
YOU KNOW, IS IT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY OR IS IT JUST IN ONE LOCATION,
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WHICH HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED.I WAS VERY INTERESTED, INTERESTED TO HEAR THEM SAY THAT HAVING THE, UH, POLLUTED SOIL REMAIN THERE WOULD NOT, IT WOULD NOT BE AFFECT ANYTHING IN THE FUTURE.
IT WOULD REMAIN COVERED AND, AND NOT, YOU KNOW, NO WATER WOULD GO THROUGH IT AND, AND UH, DO ANYTHING TO THE GROUNDWATER.
YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THE POLLUTED SOIL INTO THE GROUNDWATER WOULD NOT HAVE ANY DETRIMENTAL.
I, I I THINK WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE QUESTIONING IN THAT AREA.
I, I THINK WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY HAVE TO DO SOME OF THIS VIA EMAIL.
'CAUSE OUR NEXT MEETING IS I THINK JANUARY, WHAT DO I PUT ON THIS THING? 14TH.
SO I THINK WE'LL BE DOING A BIT OF WORK VIA EMAIL PRIOR TO THAT TO GET OUR QUESTIONS AND LISTS TOGETHER SO THAT WE GET EVERYONE'S QUESTIONS.
'CAUSE I THINK ALSO WE NEED SOME TIME TO JUST THINK ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEN, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IN EMAILING BACK AND FORTH, WE USUALLY LEARN FROM EACH OTHER AS WE DO THAT AND IT RAISE OTHER ISSUES.
WELL, I WONDER WHAT HAPPENED TO THE, UH, PACKETS BECAUSE WORKING WITH IT ONLINE IS REALLY NOT FUN.
WORKING ON IT WITH IT ONLINE, I FOUND, I'LL SAY I FOUND IT VERY, UM, DIS I, DIFFICULT, I MEAN, AND, AND I HAD TO, EVERY TIME I WENT IN I HAD TO ENLARGE THE DOCUMENT SO I COULD SEE IT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT IT, IT TAKES TIME.
IT JUST IS IS IS ED'S TIME TO DOING IT? I HAVE TO WHERE I WOULD NORMALLY PUT A PAPERCLIP TO FLAKE SOMETHING, I HAVE TO WRITE IT DOWN SO IT TAKES LONGER TO GO THROUGH IT.
I WILL SAY THAT I DID FIND IT INCONVENIENT AND YOU CAN'T USE ILLUSTRATIONS WITH THE TEXT.
I I JUST WANTED TO SAY WE, WE HAD A LIMITED NUMBER OF HARD COPIES THERE, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF PAGES.
UM, EACH AND YOU KNOW, SO I KNOW THAT WE, WE TRIED TO SEND, MAKE SURE THAT IT, IT GOT OUT AT A MINIMUM, UM, ELECTRONICALLY.
UH, I BELIEVE TERRY AND MIKE SAID DONNA BEING, YOU KNOW, THE PRIMARY POINT THAT SHE SHOULD DEFINITELY GET A VOLUME ONE, EVEN IF WE HAVE TO GET THE APPLICANT TO SEND IN ANOTHER ONE, WE MADE SURE THAT, I DON'T BELIEVE I EVEN RECEIVED IT ELECTRONICALLY.
AARON, I'M SORRY, I D I DID I, UNLESS I MISSED SOMETHING, I DIDN'T RECEIVE IT ELECTRONICALLY EITHER.
PETER, CAN YOU ME, THERE WAS A LINK, THERE WAS AN EMAIL THAT WENT OUT AND THE LINK TO GET TO IT SEE ELECTRONICALLY WAS THERE.
YEAH, IF YOU EMAIL ME, WE'LL GET IT OUT TO YOU.
AND THEN IF YOU, IF YOU COME ACROSS, YOU KNOW, A SECTION OR UH, A NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, PLANS OR MAPS OR SOMETHING THAT YOU LIKE HARD COPIES, IF YOU EMAIL GARRETT AND I, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET THE HARD COPIES YOU'RE SEEKING.
BUT TO RUN OFF, YOU KNOW, A 700 PAGE DOCUMENT FOR GOT IT.
EVERYONE, I MEAN, I PREFER NOT TO DO THAT.
BUT, BUT I THINK AARON, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE FACING IS SOMETHING SHARON JUST SAID IS WHEN YOU WANNA FLIP, LIKE TO COMPARE A MAP TO SOMETHING YOU, YOU, IT TAKES A VERY LONG TIME ELECTRONICALLY TO DO IT.
AND MAYBE GOING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE, WE NEED TO FIND SOME ALTERNATIVE TO SENDING OUT THE ENTIRE PACKET TO SENDING OUT PORTIONS OF IT THAT WE COULD HAVE TO WORK WITH BECAUSE WE ARE REALLY, UM, IT'S HARD.
YOU MIGHT READ SOMETHING AND YOU'D SAY, OH, I'D LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THE DIAGRAM FOR THAT.
THEN YOU HAVE TO HUNT FOR THE DIAGRAM BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T PAPER CLIPPED IT AND YOU HAVE TO TAKE TIME SCROLLING BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW THE EXACT PAGE WHERE IT IS.
YOU HAVE TO SCROLL THROUGH PAGES.
I I DO THINK THERE IS, IT IS PROBLEMATIC.
UH, I UNDERSTAND NOT WANTING TO SEND OUT 700 PAGES, BUT I ALSO THINK CAN I, CAN I SUGGEST SOMETHING ALSO, I MEAN IN MOST, IN MANY JURISDICTIONS, IT'S NOT THE, IT'S NOT THE PLANNING STAFF THAT NEEDS TO PROVIDE THE, UM, BOARDS WITH THE, UM, MATERIALS.
AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE A REVIEWING BOARD AND UH, ONE OF THE PRIMARY ONES THAT WE SHOULD ASK THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE THEM, AND YOU GUYS SHOULDN'T BE BURDENED WITH THAT.
I MEAN, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DON'T WANNA GET INVOLVED IN ALL THAT PAPER PUSHING AND SHUFFLING.
YOU ACTUALLY HAVE REAL JOBS TO DO.
BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD PUT THAT, I THINK YOU SHOULD PUT THAT ON THE, THE APPLICANT THAT'S PART OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.
UH, WE HAVE DONE THAT IN CERTAIN INSTANCES, SO WE WILL CERTAINLY LOOK TO DO THAT IN THE FUTURE.
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ARE VERY HESITANT IN GIVING OUT ADDRESS INFORMATION FOR OUR BOARD AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT AT THE BOARD OR COUNCIL'S REQUEST, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO SO, SO THAT AN APPLICANT CAN OVERNIGHT OR SEND PRIORITY MAILS, MAILINGS, DIRECT TO BOARD OR COUNCIL MEMBERS.SO APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP.
I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE YOUR PROTECTING US, US, BUT I WOULD ACTUALLY, YOU'RE FREE TO GIVE OUT MY EMAIL TO ANY APPLICANT AND HAVE THEM SEND ME STUFF DIRECTLY.
EMAIL YOUR MAILING ADDRESS PETER MAIL.
I YOU CAN, THEY CAN HAVE MY MAILING ADDRESS.
THEY CAN DROP THE DRAWINGS OFF IF THEY WANT.
UH, AARON, WE LOOKED AT A CHART.
HE, HE FLEW UP A PUT UP A CHART IN THE NUMBER OF RESIDENCES ON EACH OF THE ALTERNATIVES.
AND HE SAID THE NEXT PAGE, BUT I DON'T THINK HE PUT IT UP WAS WHERE HE SAID THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS NO, NO BEDROOMS, NO.
THE, THE CHART HE PUT UP HAD HAD THE NUMBER OF OF HOUSES, BUT HE SAID THE NEXT PAGE HAD THE NUMBER OF ACTUAL PEOPLE.
AND THERE'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE THAT FORMULA WAS.
AND I I JUST WONDER IF, IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO, TO SOMEHOW YET THE CHART THAT SHOWS THE NUMBER OF, OF, OF UNITS PHYSICAL STRUCTURES ON THE FIVE ALTERNATIVES, THE SIX ALTERNATIVES, THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS LIVING THERE AND THE FORMULA.
BECAUSE I, I, I THINK IT WAS A MASS FASCINATING DISCUSSION THAT MARGARET INITIATED, BUT I COULDN'T FOLLOW IT.
IF YOU COULD EMAIL ME JUST ONE OR TWO LINES, JUST LIKE YOU MENTIONED, UH, EMAIL IT TO BOTH GARRETT AND I, WE WILL GET IT TO JONATHAN REBO AND HE'S VERY RESPONSIVE.
HE WILL GET THAT TO US IMMEDIATELY AND THEN WE CAN FORWARD IT OFF TO ALL OF YOU.
I I, I ASSUME IT, I ASSUME IT'S NOT, NOT THAT.
UM, OH, HE VERY WELL MAY HAVE IT.
YEAH, WELL THERE ARE TWO, THERE ARE TWO THINGS, TWO PARTS TO THIS.
ONE IS THE PAGES WHICH ARE RELATIVELY EASY FOR THEM TO PROVIDE WITH THE NUMBERS.
BUT THE QUESTION GOES TO HOW, WHERE THOSE NUMBERS CAME FROM BECAUSE I THINK THE BIG ONE, AS MARGARET RAISED IN, I THINK OTHER PEOPLE HAVE, AND I CERTAINLY FIND VERY BIZARRE THE IDEA THAT UM, AND ACTUALLY THEY HAVE TWO 80, IT JUST SEEMS FOR THE, THEIR PLANNED ONE, IT JUST SEEMS VERY STRANGE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE SO MANY, SO MANY UNITS THAT ONLY HAD ONE PERSON WITH THE UNITS BEING THE SIZE THEY ARE.
I MEAN, I WOULD THINK THAT THE TENDENCY IS PARTICULARLY WHEN PEOPLE HAVE BEEN COUPLES TO, UH, IF THEY, IF THEY FIND THEMSELVES, UH, SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN A COUPLE AND THEY'RE DOWNSIZING, THEY'RE GENERALLY NOT LOOKING FOR AS LARGE A SPACE.
I THINK IF SOMEONE HAS BEEN SINGLE ALL ALONG, THEY ALREADY OWN WHATEVER SIZE SPACE THEY WANTED AT THAT POINT IN THEIR LIFE.
SO, UM, IT, THERE JUST SEEMS TO BE A, A, UH, AN INCONGRUITY THERE IN TERMS OF HOW YOU HAVE ALL THESE AS A, AS I THINK MARGARET SAID, TWO CAR TWO, TWO CAR GARAGE, THREE BEDROOM UNITS WITH ONE PERSON.
AND I THINK THERE'S, IT JUST DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T RING TRUE.
SO IF, IF THEY HAVE THAT INFORMATION, MEANING IT'S BEEN DOCUMENTED TO THIS POINT, I BELIEVE WE CAN GET THAT RATHER QUICKLY.
IF IT'S SOMETHING, IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE SOMETHING THAT THEY SAY, OH, WE WILL RESPOND TO THAT AS PART OF THE F E I F IT'S OKAY.
I MEAN, BUT BECAUSE IT JUST, IT JUST, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T, DOESN'T, DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
WE'LL BE PUTTING THEM TOGETHER IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, IT ALSO GOES TO THEIR, UM, HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THEIR ESTIMATE ON THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE PRICES.
UM, RIGHT ON IT, BASED ON WHAT'S IN THE, BEING BUILT IN THE AREA THERE.
I THINK THEIR ESTIMATE IS A LITTLE BIT ON THE LOW SIDE, WHICH SKEWS THEIR NUMBERS THEN.
BECAUSE IF YOU, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SAYING LOOK AT THIS AND THEN LOOK AT IF WE GET OUR EXTRA UNITS, WHICH IS INCREASING THE DENSITY, WHICH IS A PRECEDENT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE ONE PROJECT, BUT IT'S WHAT IT MEANS IN TERMS OF PRECEDENT THAT WE HAVE TO REALLY CONSIDER.
I'M SURE WE'LL BE TALKING TO EACH OTHER VIA EMAIL.
UM, TERRY, TERRY, BEFORE WE SIGN OFF, I JUST WANTED TO LET PETER KNOW I FORWARDED HIM THE EMAIL THAT YOU HAD SENT THAT HAS THE LINK TO ALL THE PDFS.
I WAS JUST GOING HAPPY READING
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I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY AGAIN, IF THEY HAVE THAT INFORMATION, WHAT I WOULD, WHAT I WOULD PREFER IS IF YOU CAN EMAIL ME THAT QUESTION, WHAT YOU KNOW, AND IF IT'S A TWO PART OR THREE PART QUESTION, THAT'S FINE.I WILL FORWARD, GARRETT OR MYSELF WILL FORWARD IT TO MR. GBO REBO AND HIS TEAM.
IF IT'S SOMETHING THEY HAVE, I IMAGINE THEY WILL GET IT TO US SO THAT WE CAN FORWARD IT RIGHT OUT.
BUT KEEP THAT, IF YOU, IF WE DO NOT GET A RESPONSE, WE WANT YOU TO KEEP THAT QUESTION, UH, FOR WHAT YOU PUT TOGETHER TO THE TOWN BOARD SO THAT IT CAN BE RESPONDED TO APPROPRIATELY AS PART OF OF THE F E I S.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY SHARON? YEAH, I JUST WONDER, HAS ANYONE EVER ASKED WHY THREE BEDROOMS AND HAVE THEY ANSWERED THAT AARON FOR THE TOWN HOMES? YEAH, I DO KNOW THAT THE PLANNING BOARD ASKED WHY TWO STORY.
IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 55 AND OVER, YOU KNOW, WOULDN'T YOU PREFER A ONE STORY WITH THE MASTER BEDROOM ON THE FIRST FLOOR? THINGS LIKE THAT.
WHAT THEY RESPONDED TO AT THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING WAS THAT THE MASTER BEDROOMS WILL CERTAINLY BE ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, GUESTS OR GRANDCHILDREN, WHAT HAVE YOU, MIGHT STAY UPSTAIRS AND THERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, AN UH, IN-HOME OFFICE OR STUDIO OR SOMETHING THAT COULD VERY WELL BE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
NOT SUPER UTILIZED, BUT AVAILABLE IF NECESSARY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THE THREE BEDROOM, I CAN'T RECALL IF THE THREE BEDROOM QUESTION WAS SPECIFICALLY ANSWERED.
I CAN TELL YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS CAME UP TONIGHT 'CAUSE I STEPPED AWAY FOR A BIT.
OH, THERE, IT'S, UH, BUT THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ARE 4,500 SQUARE FOOT TOWN HOMES REALLY SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, 55 PLUS IS GONNA BE INTERESTED IN? AND WHAT MR. REBO HAD RESPONDED IS THAT FOR PURPOSES OF ANALYSIS, SEEKER REQUIRES THAT YOU STUDY, I DON'T WANNA SAY FOR THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, BUT FOR THE MOST SIGNIFICANT POTENTIAL IMPACT.
SO THEY STUDIED CERTAIN THINGS LIKE, UH, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE AND DRAINAGE AND STORMWATER RUNOFF ON A BIGGER SIZED UNIT THAN WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO CONSTRUCT.
UH, HE CAME BACK AND SAID THAT WHILE THEY STUDIED CERTAIN THINGS FOR A 4,500 SQUARE FOOT UNIT, THEY'D REALLY BE ALONG THE LINES OF ABOUT 26, 2700 PLUS A, A, A BASEMENT.
SO, AND, AND HE DID CLARIFY THAT WHEN TALKING TAX REVENUE, THEY DID UTILIZE THE ACTUAL SIZE UNIT, NOT THE, YOU KNOW, 4,500 SQUARE FOOT UNIT.
SO THERE WAS SOME, UM, SOME CLARITY THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAD ASKED FOR WITH RESPECT TO THOSE FIGURES.
AND, AND AS SOME FOLLOW UP, THAT WILL BE IN THE QUESTIONS RELATED, UH, TO THE F E I S SO THAT THE APPLICANT WILL BE REQUIRED IF WE GET COPIES OF THAT, OF WHAT THEY PROVIDE FOR THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO FOR THE PLANNING BOARD, WHAT THE APPLICANT DID WAS THEY RESPONDED, THE PLANNING BOARD ASKED ABOUT OR PUT IN WRITING ABOUT, I'M GONNA SAY 10 TO 12 QUESTIONS AHEAD OF ITS WORK SESSION, ITS SECOND WORK SESSION.
THEY DID HAVE TWO MEETINGS ON IT.
THE APPLICANT CAME IN AND BASICALLY RESPONDED TO MOST OF THAT AT THE SECOND WORK SESSION.
HOWEVER, THERE WERE SOME FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS AT THE WORK AT THE SECOND WORK SESSION THAT THE APPLICANT DID NOT RESPOND TO.
THAT WILL ALL BE WRAPPED INTO THE F E I S.
UM, THE, THE QUESTIONS THAT REQUIRE RESPONSES AS PART OF THE F E I S, THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, IS GOING TO BE MEETING ON JANUARY 21ST, JANUARY 20TH, I BELIEVE.
UM, AND THE CHAIRMAN HAS ASKED THAT ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT BOARD MEMBERS HAVE, YOU KNOW, AFTER REVIEWING THE DOCUMENTS IN, IN MORE DETAIL AND OVER A LITTLE MORE TIME OVER THE NEXT MONTH, UH, BE PUT INTO TOWN STAFF BY JANUARY 13TH.
AND WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD IS ANTICIPATING IS ON, ITS AT ITS JANUARY 20TH MEETING.
IT WILL GO THROUGH THE FINAL LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT IT WISHES TO PROVIDE TO
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THE TOWN BOARD.SO WE DON'T HAVE THOSE AS OF YET.
YEAH, NO, YOU DID A VERY THOROUGH AND GOOD JOB AS USUAL, AARON.
ANYTHING ELSE FOLKS? THEN IF WE, WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE EMAILING BACK AND FORTH AND, UH, SHARON, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
I KNOW IT WAS GIVING UP CONTACT WITH YOUR FAMILY, SO THAT WAS VERY NICE OF YOU.
IT WAS VERY NICE TO, I GOT THERE FOR THE LIGHTING OF THE CANDLES, SO THAT WAS THE IMPORTANT PART.