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EVERYONE.[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS GREENBURGH TOWN HALL AGENDA THURSDAY, December 17, 2020 – 8:00 P.M. ]
ON THIS, UH, AFTER STORM DAY, WE HAVE THE MEETING OF THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, AND TODAY IS DECEMBER SEVEN, UM, 17TH, 2020.ON TODAY'S AGENDA, I HAVE A CASE NUMBER 2022 IS CLOSED FOR DECISION ONLY.
PLEASE NOTE THAT THE ZONING BOARD WILL HAVE OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING ON JANUARY 21ST.
AND, UM, I ASSUME WE WILL BE MEETING AT THIS SAME REGULAR NOW ESTABLISHED REGULAR TIME OF FOUR O'CLOCK.
AS USUAL, IF WE CANNOT COMPLETE HEARING ANY CASE TODAY, IT WILL BE ADJOURNED FOR ANOTHER MEETING, HOPEFULLY TO BE COMPLETED AT THAT TIME.
ALSO, AS AS USUAL, TO SAVE TIME, WE'LL WAIVE THE READING OF THE PROPERTY LOCATION AND THE RELIEF SAW FOR EACH CASE.
HOWEVER, THE REPORTER WILL INSERT THIS INFORMATION IN THE RECORD.
AND THIS INFORMATION ALSO APPEARS IN THE AGENDA FOR, UM, TODAY'S MEETING.
AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING OF TODAY'S CASES, THE BOARD MEETS IN A, A ZOOM ROOM TO DISCUSS THE CASES WE'VE HEARD TODAY.
EVERYONE IS PERMITTED TO LISTEN TO OUR DELIBERATIONS AT THAT TIME, BUT THE PUBLIC WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK OR PARTICIPATE DURING OUR DELIBERATIONS.
AFTER OUR DELIBERATIONS, WE GO BACK ON THE FORMAL RECORD TO ANNOUNCE THE BOARD'S DECISION, AND FOR THAT TO BE BROADCAST AND PROVIDED TO THE COMMUNITY.
IF YOU'RE NOT, UH, GOING TO, IF YOU, I'M SORRY.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO SPEAK TODAY CLEARLY STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, OR YOUR PROFESSIONAL AFFILIATION.
IF YOU'RE NOT A NAMED APPLICANT, PLEASE SPELL YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
UM, WE HAVE HEARD SOME EVIDENCE ON THE CASE TODAY AND ANYTHING THAT IS PRIOR AND HAS BEEN PUT ON THE RECORD AT, UH, ANOTHER MEETING SHOULD NOT BE REPEATED.
AND TODAY'S FIRST CASE TO BE HEARD IS CASE 2026 REEM KHAN.
AND WHO IS HERE ON THAT MATTER.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN.
UH, LEN BRANDIS, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, I CAN.
UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I'M HERE TO, UH, REVIEW THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WAS REQUESTED.
I KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION OF WHETHER ANY OTHER VARIANCES WERE GIVEN TO SIMILAR SITUATIONS.
UH, CAROL WALKER AND HER TEAM WERE ABLE TO FIND SEVERAL VARIANCES THAT WERE VERY SIMILAR IN NATURE, UH, LOOKING FOR A VARIANCE FOR THE DRIVEWAY SIDE.
AND, UH, I HAD SUBMITTED A LETTER TO THE BOARD AND ITS MEMBERS, UH, A FEW DAYS AGO, UH, REGARDING THESE APPLICATIONS AND COPIES OF THESE APPLICATIONS.
UH, THERE ARE THREE THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE A TWO FOOT SETBACK.
UH, MAY I SHARE THE SCREEN? YES.
EVERYBODY CAN SEE THAT, I HOPE.
AND BASICALLY JUST SAYING THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT A DRIVEWAY, UH, ALONGSIDE THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY THAT'S THERE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS IMAGE RIGHT HERE, THAT THE TWO DRIVEWAYS, THIS IS OUR NEIGHBOR.
THIS IS OUR, OUR DRIVEWAY OVER HERE.
IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT, UH, WE HAVE NOW.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE SAME ENTRANCE.
THERE'S AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT IS OVER HERE THAT LOOKS LIKE A GARAGE, THAT'S A LARGER VERSION OF THIS RIGHT HERE, LIKE AN IMAGE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE GARAGE DOORS.
UH, BUT THIS WAS CONVERTED MANY YEARS AGO TO A DEN.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF DRIVEWAY OVER HERE IN FRONT OF THIS GARAGE AND HAVE A DRIVEWAY THAT GOES TO ACTUALLY TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
THIS PROPERTY'S FROM 1880S AND DID NOT, AND IT WAS SUBDIVIDED INTO THE OTHER PROPERTIES AROUND IT.
AND THIS WAS THE ONLY AVAILABLE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY.
IT'S THE ONLY REASONABLE ACCESS THAT YOU CAN HAVE.
UH, THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IS VERY STEEP.
YOU, OR AROUND AS WE GO AROUND THE PROPERTY, UH, YOU CAN SEE THIS, IT'S ON A CORNER.
THIS IS A BIG CORNER OVER HERE, AND THEN IT BECOMES AN EXTREMELY STEEP HILL OVER HERE.
SO CREATING AN ENTRANCE OVER HERE.
AND THIS IS ALSO WHERE THE POOL IS OVER HERE, UH, THAT WE CANNOT REALLY ENTER FROM THIS SIDE 'CAUSE IT'S A VERY STEEP GRADE.
SO WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH THAT, UH, MAKES THE ONLY PLACE TO REALLY GO IS TO CONTINUE WHERE THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY IS.
OUR A NEIGHBOR OVER HERE, UH, WOULD STILL BE THE SAME DISTANCE OVER HERE IN THE FRONT OF THE ROAD.
THERE ALSO IS A NON-CONFORMING EXISTING DRIVEWAY, UH, MUCH WIDER AREA TO THE STREET PRESENCE ONE'S.
UH, THE OTHER ONES THAT WE HAVE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A TWO FOOT, UH, TOTAL SETBACK.
AND THE AREA THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IS, I'M GONNA SEE IF I CAN PULL THAT UP.
WANNA GET A, A DRAWING UP THAT'S, I'M WORKING ON A COMPUTER THAT'S NOT MINE.
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THERE WE GO.SO THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY RIGHT NOW, CAN EVERYBODY STILL SEE THE SCREEN WITH THE FLOOR PLAN? YES.
UM, THE THE SITE PLAN, DO YOU SEE THE SITE PLAN? YES.
AND THE SITE PLAN IS, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL DRIVEWAY HERE.
THE ORIGINAL DRIVEWAY THAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW GOES THIS WHOLE AREA OVER HERE.
AND WE'RE GOING TO RETAKE THIS ALL OUT, BRING THAT BACK TO LAWN.
AND OUR PROPOSAL IS TO CONTINUE TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
WELL, ACTUALLY THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
'CAUSE THE FRONT ENTRANCE TO THE HOUSE IS ACTUALLY OVER HERE.
AND WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT US A ONE CAR GARAGE OVER HERE.
THERE'S NO SETBACK REQUIRED OVER HERE.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, SIR, SIR, YOU'RE DISPLAYING, UM, THE PHOTOGRAPHS AGAIN, UH, STILL I SHOULD SAY.
SO IF YOU STOP, SHARE AND THEN, UM, SHARE AGAIN IS MY RECOMMENDATION.
CAN YOU SEE THE SITE PLAN NOW? YES.
UH, SO WHAT I WAS SAYING BEFORE IS THAT THE, THE ENTRANCE IS STAYING THE SAME.
THIS IS THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE RIGHT NOW.
AND RIGHT NOW THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY IS ACTUALLY GOING TOWARDS THE FORMER GARAGE, WHICH IS OVER HERE.
AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT AREA BACK INTO LAW IN THIS WHOLE AREA AND THEN CREATE A NEW DRIVEWAY TOWARDS THIS PART OF THE HOUSE ALONG THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
THE EXISTING FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS OVER HERE AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN SINCE THE 1880S.
UH, THAT'S THE FRONT OF THE FARMHOUSE.
AND WE'RE ADDING A ONE CAR GARAGE OVER HERE, WHICH DOES NOT NEED ANY VARIANCES.
WE DON'T NEED ANY VARIANCES FOR ANYTHING.
BUT THIS WOULD, UM, LOT COVERAGE ARE VERY LOW.
UH, WE CERTAINLY HAVE A LOT MORE LOT COVERAGE, SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE CREATING ANY HAZARD.
THERE ARE OTHER HOUSES, SUCH AS OUR NEIGHBOR HAS VERY SIMILAR PROPERTY TO OURS.
UH, HERE'S THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY AND HERE'S THE STEEP SLOPES THAT WE HAVE AROUND AND STEEP SLOPE OVER HERE.
SO THERE IS NO OTHER FEASIBLE METHOD, UH, WAY TO ENTER THE PROPERTY EXCEPT OVER HERE.
AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CREATE A PARKING AREA OVER HERE AND ACTUALLY TAKING CARS FROM THE VISIBILITY OF THE STREETS OVER HERE, TAKING THIS WHOLE AREA OUT.
AND, UH, AS I SAID, THE OTHER, UH, VARIANCES THAT WERE LOOKED FOR, UH, WERE SHOWN THAT HAD EITHER, UH, OTHER AREA IN ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE VARIANCES THAT WERE DENIED.
UH, THEY HAD SPACE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY OVER HERE.
IF THIS WAS THE DRIVEWAY, THEY HAD LOTS OF ROOM TO PARK THEIR CARS.
THEY WANTED TO HAVE NINE CARS PARKED THERE, UH, INSTEAD OF THEIR FOUR TO SIX CARS THAT THEY HAVE.
ANOTHER ONE WAS DENIED BECAUSE THEY WERE, UH, AT OVER 50% OF LOT COVERAGE WHEN THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED A LITTLE OVER 40.75%.
SO THEY'RE WAY OVER COVERAGE ON THE HOUSE.
UH, AND, UM, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, THE OTHER ONE WAS ALSO THAT THEY HAD BUILT IT BEFOREHAND AND WAS GIVEN, UH, VIOLATIONS FOR DOING CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT, UH, A VARIANCE OR GOING BEFORE ANY BOARDS OR GETTING A PERMIT.
SO I THINK THAT THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE ACCEPTED WERE SIMILAR SITUATIONS WHERE THEY HAD NO OTHER CHOICE EXCEPT TO USE THIS AREA, THEIR ONLY AREA FOR THE, UH, PARKING AREA, SUCH AS WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, THAT'S THE ONLY ACCESS THAT WE CAN GET TO THIS PROPERTY.
AND ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS OVER HERE, AND THAT'S WHERE WE WANNA PARK THE CAR.
AND WE JUST HAVE A TURNAROUND AND BE ABLE TO GO OUT.
SO NOW WE'RE NOT ADDING MORE PARKING IN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, WE'RE ADDING ALL THE PARKING AREAS IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY WHERE IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE? I DO NOT BELIEVE ANYONE SIGNED UP.
WELL, HEARING NO QUESTIONS BEING ASKED, UM, I ASSUME THAT WE ARE PREPARED TO, UH, TAKE THIS UNDER DELIBERATION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
AND THE NEXT CASE WE HAVE ON TODAY'S AGENDA IS CASE 20 27 70.
I AM THE APPLICANT FOR 70 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
UM, WE HAVE APPLIED TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS TO BE ABLE TO REDUCE THE SETBACKS BEHIND THE FENCE FOR EXTERIOR STORAGE AT OUR LOCATION ON SAWMILL RIVER ROAD FROM 25.
THIS IS VARIOUS FOOTAGES FROM SEVEN FEET TO ZERO FEET.
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YOU WANNA GIVE US A REASON,WE'VE GOT A STORE, OUR WARES OUTSIDE.
UM, IF WE WERE TO, UH, CONFORM TO THE 25 FOOT SETBACK, WE'D HAVE
UM, WE'VE PUSHED IT BACK AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
AND WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SET UP, GETTING A VARIANCE WOULDN'T REALLY CHANGE THE, THE ASPECT OF THE, WHAT AM I TRYING TO SAY? THE, UM, IT WOULDN'T CHANGE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHATSOEVER.
IT'S A, IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL AREA, AND WE ARE TRYING TO STORE EXTERIOR STORE MATERIAL UP AGAINST THE FENCE, UM, WHICH WILL BE SCREENED, BY THE WAY, IN TWO TO THREE DAYS, SATURDAY EARLY DAY.
WHEN, WHEN YOU SAY, UH, MATERIAL? YES, MA'AM.
CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC? UH, IRRIGATION WHOLESALER.
SO WE HAVE P V C PIPE, UH, POLYETHYLENE PIPE, DRAINAGE PIPE.
UM, WHAT ELSE? THERE'S, UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH MOST EVERYTHING THAT WOULD BE STORED OUTSIDE.
NOW ARE THESE ITEMS THAT YOU ARE USING IN YOUR BUSINESS OR IS IT ITEMS THAT YOU'RE SELLING? SELLING.
AND, UM, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN THE BUSINESS OF SELLING THESE ITEMS? OH, THEY'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS STARTING IN, ON THE WEST COAST, IN THE BAY AREA SINCE THE FIFTIES.
HOW ABOUT AT THIS LOCATION? LESS THAN A YEAR.
AND WHAT, WHAT DIFFICULTY HAS BEEN PRESENTED BY NOT BEING ABLE TO STORE IN THE MATTER THAT YOU'VE BEEN DESCRIBING TO US? NOW, THE SIZE OF THE MATERIAL CAN'T BE STORED INSIDE THE BUILDING, SO WE'VE GOTTA STORE IT OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THE PIPE LIFTS COME IN 20 FOOT SECTIONS.
THEY'RE 20 FEET LONG, TWO FEET HIGH, UM, AND THE, THEY WON'T FIT INSIDE THE BUILDING AND ACCORDING TO THE CODE, UM, SUCH STORIES SHOULD BE AT LEAST NOT ONLY 25 FEET FROM A LOT LINE, BUT NO MORE THAN SIX FEET IN HEIGHT.
SO WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER CONDITIONS THAT NORMALLY WOULD BE REQUIRED? WE CAN STAY WITH UNDER SIX FEET, AND WE, I'VE CONTRACTED A FENCE COMPANY TO INSTALL FENCE SLATS IN THE FENCE, THE EXISTING FENCE, UM, TO WHERE IT WILL BE SCREENED.
LET'S, LET ME HEAR FROM THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS.
ANYONE ELSE? UH, WHAT, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES, SIR.
WHAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING WERE YOU PLAN ON USING IT? WOULD THIS BE THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING WHERE THE PARKING IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE SIDE? UH, SO THAT'D BE THE SOUTH SIDE AND THE WEST SIDE? YES, SIR.
THE SIDE THAT FACES THE ROAD AND THE SIDE THAT FACES, UH, AND THE, AND THE LENGTH OF THE IRRIGATION MATERIAL, YOU SAID WOULD BE 20 FOOT LONG.
THEY'RE 20 FOOT, 20 FEET LONG EACH? YES, SIR.
AND THEY WOULD THEN, WHAT? LAY ON THE GROUND OR THEY'D BE ON SHELVING? YES, THEY LAY ON THE GROUND AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN STORE I THINK THREE STACKS OF THEM BEFORE YOU WOULD APPROACH, UH, SIX FEET.
WE CAN STAY UNDER THE SIX FEET DIMENSION.
SO THAT'D BE 20 FOOT IN LENGTH COMING FROM, I GUESS, EAST THE REAR PORTION OF THE PROPERTY COMING FORWARD, OR WOULD THAT BE LEFT TO RIGHT? SOUTHWEST AND SOUTH? I BELIEVE IT WOULD GO LEFT TO RIGHT.
LEFT TO RIGHT ON THE, UM, ALONG THE, THAT'D BE THE WESTERN SIDE, WHICH IS THE SIDE THAT FACES SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
SO THERE'S SO, AGAIN, SIDE ALONG THAT PLACE TO HELP US HELP YOU.
HOW CLOSE TO THE REAR LOT DOES IT HAVE TO BE? IS THE REAR LOT, UM, OR MEANING THE, THE, THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THE EAST SIDE IS A, IT'S A, I MEAN, IT'S NOT A CLIFF, BUT IT'S ALMOST A STRAIGHT UP HILL.
BUT THAT SIDE'S ALMOST IN THAT SIDE'S FILLED WITH OTHER MATERIAL THAT'S NOT, UH, WITHIN VIOLATION OF THE, OF THE 25 FOOT LOT LINE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO, YEAH.
SO THAT'S WHY I THINK I, MAYBE I'M CONFUSED IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY FROM SAW MILL ROAD AND WE'RE GOING TO THE RIGHT OF THAT PROPERTY.
SO THAT, THE BOTTOM OF THAT IS THE SOUTH SIDE, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
SO NOW LOOKING AT THIS ALONG THE 1 25 TO SEVEN, UH, 125 FEET BY 0.7? YES, SIR.
ARE WE GOING FROM, FROM EAST TO WEST THERE, OR IS COMING TO THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY? UH, BOTH ACTUALLY.
SO WE'D HAVE PIPES STORED ALONG THE FRONT ON THE NORTH, SOUTH PROPERTY LINE, AND THEN WE'D HAVE MATERIALS STORED ON THE, THAT WOULD BE THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE.
ALL SCREENED, NOT VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANY OTHER MEMBERS?
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ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE? I, NO COMMENTS.I, UH, I DO SEE, UH, MSLA, UH, HAS HER HAND UP.
UH, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO MAKE COMMENT.
CAN I, SHOULD I SPEAK? YES, YES, PLEASE DO.
SO, UM, MY NAME IS HEIDI GOLA.
I LIVE AT ONE 11 HEATH, WHICH IS SORT OF BEHIND PART OF THE PROPERTY THERE.
AND I JUST HAVE A, A QUESTION.
I MEAN, I'VE DRIVEN BY, AND THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF ALREADY SORT OF THERE.
UM, DOES THIS REPRESENT A CHANGE FROM WHAT'S ALREADY THERE OR THIS IS BASICALLY JUST GETTING A VARIANCE FOR WHAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING, GETTING A VARIANCE FOR WHAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING? NOTHING WOULD CHANGE FROM WHAT IT IS NOW IN THE FUTURE.
SO THIS IS NOT AN EXPANSION IN ANY WAY OR A CHANGE IN ANY WAY OTHER THAN WHAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.
UM, SO, BECAUSE WHAT'S I, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN LIVING WITH WHAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING AND, AND WHAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING SEEMS OKAY.
THE SOUND LEVEL IS NOT WONDERFUL, BUT I CAN LIVE WITH IT.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE NOTHING WAS GONNA CHANGE.
UM, ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU SUBMITTED, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE YOU'RE BACKING ANY CLOSER ON THE BACK PART OF THE LOT, YOU KNOW, TOWARD WHERE WE ARE.
UM, AND IF IT'S REALLY MORE ABOUT THE SIZE AND THE FRONT, THEN, UM, I'VE BEEN LIVING WITH WHAT'S THERE ALREADY, SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
UM, I DO WANT THE APPLICANT TO BE AWARE, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID IT'S, UM, IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.
IT IS, BUT IT DOES BACK UP TO, UM, A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
AND I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING THIS SHOULDN'T BE APPROVED OR WHATEVER, BUT I ALWAYS LIKE TO JUST MENTION THAT SO THAT WE CAN ALL BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, THAT YOU SHOULD JUST BE AWARE THAT, UM, YOU ARE IN A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, BUT YOU DO BACK UP TO RESIDENTIAL AND THAT YOU SHOULD HOPEFULLY CONTINUE TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT YOU SHARE A PROPERTY LINE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE SO THAT WE CAN BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND GET ALONG.
WE, AND WE WILL DO AS SUCH, UM, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT IS SOMEWHAT SCREENED FROM, FROM THE DIFFERENCE IN ELEVATION.
UM, BUT EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN THERE SO FAR FOR THIS, THE, FOR THE FIRST YEAR THAT THEY'VE, THEY'VE BEEN THERE WILL CONTINUE AS SUCH.
THERE WON'T BE ANY, ANY CHANGES.
UM, UM, THE PERMIT DENIAL DOES MENTION A HEIGHT REQUIREMENT NOW, BUT I BELIEVE YOU SAID THAT, THAT YOU WOULD STAY UNDER THE, THE SIX FEET.
WOULD, WOULD THAT, UM, ED, WOULD THAT SATISFY THE, THE F THE, THE FACT THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE ASKING FOR THAT, UH, AS A VARIANCE? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.
I THINK YOU PROBABLY SHOULD ASK, UH, ANTHONY THAT QUESTION.
SO, SO WE WOULD BE REMOVING THE INCREASE RATE OF PILE ONE FROM SIX FOOT TO EIGHT.
AND, UH, EVE, WHAT YOU COULD DO POSSIBLY IS THERE'S A LOT OF BACKGROUND NOISE FROM SOMEONE.
I, SORRY, I JUST SAW THAT AND I UNMUTED THEM.
YES, ED, YOU MIGHT, YOU, YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DO, UH, CONSIDER, UH, SCREENING TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE, UH, OF THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF, UH, WHATEVER THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S CALLED COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THEY DID SAY THAT THEY WOULD SCREEN, AND I BELIEVE THE CODE REQUIRES THAT ALSO THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD COMPLY WITH EVERY OTHER CONDITION THAT'S IN THE CODE ED.
I BELIEVE THE SCREENING, THE SCREENING IS GONNA BE A FENCE.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GONNA BE LANDSCAPING.
IT'S A, IT'S A FENCE WITH SLATS.
WELL, AS, AS LONG AS THAT SATISFIES SOMEONE IN THE TOWN IS WHO IN CHARGE OF SCREENING, THAT'S FINE.
THERE'S NO, WELL, OBVIOUSLY IF THERE'S NO LANDSCAPING, THERE'S NO LANDSCAPING PLAN.
THAT, THAT, THAT'S ALL THE WHY.
IT'S ALL THE MORE IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOMEBODY REVIEW WHAT THEY PUT IN EVENTUALLY.
UH, MR. MCCONNELL, IF I COULD ASK, UH, DO YOU FEEL THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR
UM, IT DOES NOT COVER UP TO SIX FEET.
IT DOES, THEY'RE MORE SHRUBS THAN THEY ARE SMALL TREES.
UM, THERE COULD BE DEFINITE POTENTIAL FOR
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LANDSCAPING, UH, TO COVER THAT FRONT FENCE.AND, AND ONE OF THE CONCERN REAR RESIDENTS THAN, UH, IN THE FRONT ON SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
I WAS MORE CONCERNED FOR THE, UH, SCREENING IN THE REAR, UH, FROM THE RESIDENCE.
THE, UM, THE REAR PROPERTY LINE IS ALMOST, IT'S NOT A CLIFF, BUT IT'S EXTREME.
THE LADY THAT THAT SPOKE A MOMENT AGO MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP ME DESCRIBE THE ELEVATION, THE DIFFERENCE IN ELEVATION, BUT IT'S GOTTA BE 80 FEET, UH, BETWEEN OUR STREET LEVEL AND THEIR STREET LEVEL.
SO IF, EVEN IF, EVEN IF WE LANDSCAPED THE BACK, IT, I MEAN, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE TREES THAT WERE FULLY MATURE AT, AT 80 FEET TALL TO BE ABLE TO SCREEN ANYTHING.
I, I DON'T SEE WHERE THEY COULD GO REALLY.
UH, YOU'RE, YOU ARE, YOU'RE VERY CORRECT.
THE ONLY OTHER THING, MY, THE THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD ASK IN LINE OF THE, WHAT WE HAVE JUST MENTIONED, SINCE THERE DOES SEEM TO BE, AS YOU SAY, SOME SHRUBBERY, UH, IN FRONT OF THE FENCE, WHICH DOES ADD TO, UM, A MORE ATTRACTIVE LOOK.
COULD YOU MAINTAIN SOME TYPE OF SHRUBBERY THERE TOGETHER WITH THE FENCE THAT YOU'RE PUTTING UP? YES, MA'AM.
E THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL DO THIS WHEN WE DISCUSS IT IN, UM, IS DO WE WANT A SCHEMATIC FOR THESE VARIOUS PILES SO THAT WHAT WE'RE APPROVING, IF WE SHOULD APPROVE IT, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT EXACTLY WHAT THAT SCHEMATIC WOULD LOOK LIKE.
WE CAN TAKE THAT UP IN OUR DELIBERATIONS.
UH, BUT YOU DID HEAR WHAT WAS SAID MR. UH, MCCONNELL, CORRECT? YES.
SOMETHING THAT WOULD DEMONSTRATE TO US WHAT IT IS THAT, UH, THE VARIANCE IS PERMITTING YOU TO DO.
UM, WELL, OTHER, OTHER THAN SIMPLY TO REDUCE THE, UM, THE, THE, UH, SETBACK OF THE LINE, UH, TELL ME THAT AGAIN, IF YOU WILL PLEASE.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT MY BOARD MEMBER MENTIONED IS THAT THEY WOULD, THAT HE, HE PARTICULARLY DREW ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE PERMITTING YOU TO DO OTHER THAN TO REDUCE, YOU KNOW, THE, YOUR, YOUR USE OF THE, THE LAND BY BRINGING IT OUT, UH, BEYOND THE WHAT'S PERMITTED AS FAR AS A SETBACK.
AND WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WOULD BE DOING WITH THAT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU MENTIONED, UH, STORING CERTAIN, UH, MATERIALS, BUT HE'S SAYING, IS IT POSSIBLE TO GIVE SOME TYPE OF SCHEMATIC THAT SHOWS EXACTLY WHAT YOU WOULD BE USING IT FOR, FOR, FOR THE PURPOSES THAT YOU'RE SEEKING? YES, MA'AM.
I MEAN, I COULD GET A, A SITE PLAN DONE THAT WOULD SHOW STORAGE AREA ALONG THE FRONT AND SOUTHERN, OR THE WESTERN AND SOUTHERN BOUNDARIES, UM, AND SLIGHTLY ON THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY.
UM, WE COULD, WE COULD PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT WOULD SHOW THAT IT WOULD BE, IT WOULDN'T BE SUCH A DETAILED SCHEMATIC WHERE IT WOULD SHOW SPECIFIC MATERIALS, BUT IT WOULD, IT CAN SHOW AREAS THE MATERIALS ARE, ARE SOMEWHAT MALLEABLE.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL CHANGE PER THE SEASON, UM, BETWEEN DIFFERENT PIPE SIZES AND DIFFERENT PIPE.
BUT IT WOULD ALL BE A CONSISTENT, SOMEWHAT CONSISTENT IN THE INDUSTRY LANDSCAPING INDUSTRY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IF THERE'S ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT HASN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK AND WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION, IF YOU COULD PLEASE JUST UNMUTE YOURSELF AND DO SO.
UM, OR IF YOU HAVE ALREADY SPOKE, YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT, IT'S FINE.
OTHERWISE, IT LOOKS AS IF THERE ARE NO OTHER SPEAKERS.
IS THERE ANYONE RAISE THEIR HAND IF YOU CAN'T UN IF YOU CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO UNMUTE, BUT YOU WANNA SPEAK.
THE NEXT CASE ON TODAY'S AGENDA IS CASE 2028.
JEFFREY STREIS, PROPERTY AT SEVEN ANDOVER ROAD, HARTSDALE.
AND WHO DO WE HAVE TO SPEAK WITH REGARD TO THIS MATTER? MATTER.
IS THERE AN APPLICANT PRESENT FOR THIS APPLICATION? PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE? UH, UH, THAT, UH, SO WE'RE ON CASE 2028.
JEFFREY STREIS, THOUGH, IS THAT RIGHT?
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YES.UM, WELL, I DON'T SEE ANYONE STEPPING UP TO SPEAK.
I DON'T SEE THAT NAME AS I'M GAZING AROUND.
MR. UH, FEL ARE YOU, ARE YOU HAVING TROUBLE CONNECTING TO AUDIO? I SEE, UH, BARBARA STREIS FEL.
I JUST, UH, I, I SEE SOMEONE IDENTIFIED BARBARA STREIS FEL, BUT I'M NOT HEARING ANY AUDIO.
UH, MAYBE WE SHOULD GO TO THE NEXT CASE AND IF THEY GET THEIR AUDIO, UM, SITUATION CORRECT, WE CAN RETURN TO THAT.
UM, GOING TO, AND IF I COULD, I JUST WANNA, I WANNA REMIND, UM, EVERYONE ON THE, ON THE CALL TO PLEASE MUTE YOURSELF IF YOU'RE NOT ACTIVELY SPEAKING, SO WE CAN MAINTAIN THE AUDIO QUALITY.
NEXT CASE ON TODAY'S AGENDA IS CASE 2029.
ERIC MARUCCI, PROPERTY AT 33 MORRIS BOULEVARD.
HI, HOW ARE YOU? GOOD EVENING.
33 FOREST BOULEVARD, ALEY, NEW YORK.
AND WHAT ARE YOU ASKING US? UH, SO I'M, I'M HERE ACTING, I'M, I'M ACTING ON MYSELF ON BEHALF OF MYSELF FOR THE VARIANCE FOR THE, UH, THE DECK PROJECT THAT I'M TRYING TO, UH, PROCEED FORWARD IN MY BACKYARD.
I'M AT WORK, SO IT'S THE ONLY WAY I CAN DO THIS.
SO, UM, YEAH, SO, UH, APPARENTLY MY, UH, INITIAL BUILDING PERMIT WAS DECLINED BECAUSE OF SOME, UH, SETBACK ISSUES.
AND I RESUBMITTED, AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW I COULD MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE IT, THERE'S NO IMPEDING ON MY NEIGHBORS.
UM, I, I, I SENT PICTURES INTO EVERYONE AND THERE WAS ALREADY A SET OUT, I GUESS, PLAY AREA THAT WAS IN PLAY FOR THE SIZE OF A, UH, 16 BY 24 DECK IN MY BACKYARD.
SO IT HAS NOT IMPEDED ON ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID.
SO I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHY I'VE BEEN NOT DENIED FOR THE, UH, BUILDING PERMIT.
WHEN YOU REFER TO THE PLAY AREA, YOU MEAN THE AREA THAT IS, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE I I SENT THE, YEAH, I SENT THE PICTURES, UH, REFERRED TO, IT'S A 16, 16 BY 24.
THOSE ARE RAILROAD, THOSE ARE RAILROAD TIES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE, THAT HAS BEEN ZONED OFF FOR A PATIO ALREADY PRIOR TO OUR EXISTENCE IN BUYING A PROPERTY.
NOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU USE THE TERM ZONED FOR, FOR PROPERTY FOR PROPERTY, WHAT DO YOU, WAS THERE A PERMIT ISSUED? WAS SOME, WAS SOMEBODY PRIOR TO YOU OWNING THE PROPERTY, UH, THEY OBTAINED SOMETHING? YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, MA'AM.
UH, WHEN WE, WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, IT SAID THAT IT, THERE WAS GOING, THERE WAS A, A PLAY AREA WITH THE RAILROAD TIES THAT WERE TIED OFF.
AND SO I ASSUMED THAT IT WAS ALREADY, YOU KNOW, ZONED OR PRO OR PERMITTED BY THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TO BE, YOU KNOW, FOR AN, UH, MAYBE AN EXISTING STRUCTURE.
SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, ALL WE WANTED TO DO WAS TO BUILD A DECK OFF OF OUR BACK YARD ONTO THE SAME DIMENSIONS OF 16 BY 24, WHICH WE PRESENTED.
AND THEY SAID THE MAIN REASON AND OUR VARIANCE WAS DENIED WAS BECAUSE OF OUR SETBACK.
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY, BECAUSE LIKE, WHAT, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO RECTIFY THAT? AND IT, AND IF YOU, IF YOU LOOKED IN AND THE PICTURES I SUPPLIED FOR, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR BOARD, THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPEDED.
THERE'S NO OTHER YARD IMPEDED, AND THERE'S A WATERSHED NEW YORK WATERSHED BEHIND US.
SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT IS BEING IMPEDED OR INFECTED OR, OR AFFECTED BY OUR STRUCTURE.
YOU UNDERSTAND? SO I JUST DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND.
I WAS GONNA SAY, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE CODE, UH, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF YOUR, YOUR PROPERTY HAS CERTAIN SETBACKS.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY DON'T WANT THE HOUSES TO BE NEXT, YOU KNOW, TOO CLOSE TO
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THE LINE, TO THE NEXT HOUSE.AND LIKEWISE, IF YOU ADD SOMETHING TO YOUR HOUSE, THERE IS A LIMIT BY WHICH HOW FAR YOU CAN EXTEND YOUR HOUSE INTO THE REAR.
THIS HAPPENS TO BE, IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE A PLAY AREA THAT'S ON THE GROUND THAT YOU OBVIOUSLY YOU COULD PLAY IN THE ENTIRE YARD PROBABLY, BUT NOW YOU WANNA PUT A STRUCTURE ON IT, WHICH IS, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT IS, HAS TO BE BUILT.
UM, IT DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY MEAN IT COULD GO ON WHAT WAS YOUR PLAY YARD? SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE CODE, IT SAYS THAT 23 FEET IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN ANY STRUCTURE AND YOUR REAL LINE, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT YOU HAVE PROPOSED IS 19.5 FEET.
SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S CLOSER TO THE LINE THAT NORMALLY WOULD BE ALLOWED.
SO, SO, AND EVEN THOUGH THE ELEVATION OF THE STRUCTURE'S ONLY GONNA BE A COUPLE OF, LIKE, IF YOU SAW THE RAILROAD TIES THAT WERE TIED OUT FOR THE PLAY AREA, MA'AM, IT, IT'S THE SAME EXACT AREA AND IT'S RAISED AT TO CODE ONLY, NOT EVEN TWO FEET OFF THE GROUND.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOUR DECK WILL NOT, UM, WE'LL NOT ATTACH TO THE HOUSE SO THAT WHEN YOU STEP OUT OF THE DOOR, YOU STEP OUT ON THE DECK, YOU'RE GOING DOWN FROM THE, FROM THE DOOR, THE REAR DOOR, AND THEN STEPPING UP TO THE DECK? IT'S, NO, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A FLOATING STRUCTURE.
SO YOU STEP OUT THE DOOR ONTO THE DECK, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, UH, A, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE FIXED IN THE YARD, NOT ONTO THE, ONTO THE HOUSE.
YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? SO I UNDERSTAND.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE DECK NECESSARILY EXTEND BACK TO WHERE THE RAILROAD TIES ARE ON THE REAR.
YOU COULD MAKE IT COME IN A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE HOUSE, COULD YOU NOT? YES, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S MY PLAN IS TO HAVE IT CLOSER TO THE HOUSE OFF THE DECK.
AND IT WOULD EXTEND TO THE EXTENT OF THE RAILROAD TIES, WHICH IS, UM, 16 FEET.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS, COULD YOU POSSIBLY NOT EXTEND IT TO 16 FEET, WHICH WOULD PUT YOU WITHIN THE SETBACK? AND WE WOULD NOT NEED TO, UM, ADDRESS THIS, THIS MATTER.
SO HOW, SO WHAT WOULD I, WHAT WOULD I NEED TO DO TO MAKE THIS FALL IN BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING BECAUSE FROM THE BACK OF THE HOUSE TO THE DOOR TO THE, THE END OF THE RAILROAD TIE IS WHERE THE DECK WOULD BE AND THE 24 FEET WOULD BE THE EXACT DISTANCE THE RAILROAD TIES GOING, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WIDTH-WISE.
SO WHAT WOULD I NEED TO DO TO ADHERE JUST SO I COULD MAKE SURE THAT I COULD, YOU KNOW, MAKE THIS HAPPEN,
YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY MAKE THE DECK, UH, LONGER LENGTHWISE GOING FROM SIDE TO SIDE AS THAT THAN WHAT YOU'VE OUTLINED WITH THE RAILROAD TIES.
BUT THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO PULL THE, THE RAILROAD TIE THAT'S ON THE REAR OF IT IN SLIGHTLY TO MAKE IT COMPLY.
SO, SO AS FAR AS THE RAILROAD TIES, AS FAR AS IN MEANING FROM THE CLOSER, FROM THE CLOSER, CLOSER TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE, THE BACK CLOSER TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE.
SO, OKAY, SO I'D HAVE TO MOVE THAT IN.
SO IF YOU LIKE, WHAT WOULD BE THE DIMENSIONS THAT WOULD ADHERE OR, OR WHAT I'D HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DO? THAT'S WHAT I, I, I KNOW, AND I CAN'T TELL YOU.
IT'S LIKE THREE AND A HALF FEET.
WELL, LISTEN, I'M SORRY, DID YOU, IT'S ABOUT THREE AND A HALF FEET.
SO I WOULD HAVE TO CUT BACK FROM, SO THREE AND A HALF FEET FROM TO THE WALL.
SO I'D HAVE TO CUT BACK, SAY INSTEAD OF 16, LIKE THE, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 24 FEET OR THE SIX 16 FEET.
SO FROM THE, FROM THE BACK OF THE DECK, THAT'S TOWARDS YOUR REAR PROPERTY LINE.
YOU'D HAVE TO BRING THAT IN THREE AND A HALF FEET.
SO THAT THREE AND HALF FEET, THE BACK OF THE DECK TO THE EDGE, TO THE BACK OF YOUR PROPERTY LINE, I GOT, SO IT ABOUT 12 AND A HALF FEET.
IT'D HAVE TO BE, IF YOU WANT, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GET THE VARIANCE, IT WOULD'VE TO BE 23 FEET FROM THE BACK OF THE DECK TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, NO, I'M SORRY,
YEAH, BASICALLY YOU'D HAVE TO CUT IT BACK IN HALF BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY EIGHT AND A HALF FEET THAT YOU HAVE TO, UM, NOT BUILD TO, IN ORDER TO BRING IT WITHIN THE REAR YARD SETBACK.
SO YOU'D END UP WITH A VERY LONG AND NARROW DECK IF YOU WERE TO DO THAT.
SO, I MEAN, ALRIGHT, SO THAT I, I MEAN, AND, AND, AND I'M SURE THAT YOU SEE THE INCLUDED PICTURES THAT I'VE INCLUDED AS FAR AS RIGHT.
WITH THE RAILROAD TIES, EVERYBODY HAS THAT.
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YES.SO, I MEAN, THAT'S THE EXACT SIZE OF THE DECK OFF THE BACK OF MY HOUSE.
AND SO I, I WOULD HAVE TO CUT THAT DOWN TO A 12 BY 24 OR IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME, SIR? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS OFF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, YOU, YOU CAN MAKE IT LONGER.
IT'S JUST GOING BACK TOWARDS THE REAR OF YOUR, UH, THE REAR OF YOUR YARD THAT IT HAS TO COME IN CLOSER.
SO I MEAN, BEFORE, BEFORE YOU CAN ASK FOR THE VARIANCE.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO YOU
I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO ADD TO THE VARIANCE BECAUSE I MEAN, UN UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, NO, NO, NO, NOT ADD TO IT.
STAY ON, STAY THE COURSE AND SEE IF WE GRANT YOU THE VARIANCE REQUEST.
I, I, I, THAT'S, I I WOULD LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO STAY THAT COURSE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? 'CAUSE A AS YOU CAN SEE WHAT I'VE PROVIDED FOR YOU, I'M NOT TRYING TO BUILD A, YOU KNOW, A RESPONSIVE, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S IN MY, IN THE PROPERTY OF, AND I KNOW THE SETBACK IS UNDER.
UNDERSTAND MR. MARCI, THAT WE ON THE BOARD TRY OUR BEST TO MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF VARIANCE OR VARIANCE REQUESTS THAT COME BEFORE THE BOARD.
BUT I AGREE, WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO, IF YOU WERE TO BUILD THAT DECK AND STAY WITHIN THE LIMITATIONS OF THE REAR YARD SETBACK, YOU WOULD END UP WITH A DECK THAT WOULD NOT BE VERY FUN FOR YOUR CHILDREN TO PLAY ON OR FOR YOU TO USE THE OUTDOOR DINING.
SO, UM, THE BEST THING IS FOR YOU TO STAY THE COURSE AND SEE IF WE CAN GRANT THE
I WOULD LIKE TO STAY THE COURT, SIR.
I'D LIKE TO STAY THE COURSE BECAUSE THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I KNOW THAT I, I I I I I, I APPRECIATE IT AND I, I, I'D LIKE TO STAY THE COURSE AND, AND SEE HOW YOU GUYS DECIDE TO, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD.
MR. MARUCCI, HERE'S WHAT, UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THE CHAIR WAS SAVED.
IT SEEMS LIKE IF YOU CAN MOVE IT CLOSER TO THE HOUSE SO THAT WHEN YOU STEP OUT OF YOUR HOUSE, RIGHT, YOU STEP RIGHT ONTO THE DECK AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S AVAILABLE.
IT LOOKS LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE THREE FEET THAT'S AVAILABLE.
SO IF YOU MOVE IT CLOSER, WOULD YOU BE, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE OFF THE THREE AT THE END OF THE DECK SO YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO GO, IF YOU MOVE IT CLOSER TO THE HOUSE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO WHERE THE RAILROAD GUYS ARE AND YOU KNOWS, SIR? IT DOES.
IT, IT DOES GO NO, IT, IT DOES STEP, IT'S A STEP.
IT DOES STEP DIRECTLY OUT OF MY BACK DOOR ONTO THE DECK.
LIKE, I MEAN, I'M TALKING, IT'S, PLUS IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S A FLOATING, BUT, UH, RIGHT FROM THE HOUSE.
SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT FAR OUT FROM THE RAILROAD TIES.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE I'M NOT GONNA BUILD IT FROM THE TIES.
IT'S GONNA BE CLOSER TO THE HOUSE.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE DIMENSION, SIR? WHEN YOU 16? LIKE, IT'S 16 BY 24, MA'AM.
SO IT'S 16 AS YOU WALK BACK TOWARDS THE REAR OF YOUR YARD.
YOU FROM THE HOUSE AND I FROM, YEAH, FROM YOUR, FROM THE DOOR, FROM THE BACK DOOR, WHICH THE PITCHERS DON'T DO, DO, DO PORTRAY.
YOU WALK 16 FEET OUT, AND THEN 24 IS THE RAILROAD TIES THAT YOU SEE THIS WAY.
UM, AND NOW YOU HAVEN'T BUILT THIS YET, CORRECT? NO, MA'AM.
I WOULD IF I BUILT THIS YET, BUT I, I'D BE SENDING YOU CHRISTMAS CARDS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, GET
WHEN DID YOU PURCHASE THE PROPERTY OR HOW, WHEN DID YOU PURCHASE THE PROPERTY? I, I, WE, WE, WE, WE, WE SAW, WE SETTLED IN ON THE END OF JANUARY, FEBRUARY, WELL, NOT EVEN A YEAR.
WE'RE BRAND NEW, SO WE'RE STILL NEW TO THE AREA.
UM, SPEAKING TO OUR, OUR RESIDENT ARCHITECT, MR. CRITCHLOW, WHAT NORMALLY WOULD BE THE DIMENSIONS FOR A DECK? JUST TO HAVE A DINING TABLE.
AND THE ONLY REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE, UM, OF, OF PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE, 16 FEET SEEMS FAIRLY GENEROUS TO ME.
BECAUSE TAKING THREE FEET OFF AND MAKE IT 14 FEET WIDE, ME AND D I'M SORRY, AT WHAT POINT, AT WHAT POINT WAS IT DESCRIBED THAT YOU JUST WANTED THIS STICK?
AT WHAT POINT WAS IT STRESSED, EXPRESSED THAT HE'S LOOKING FOR THE DECK TO BE JUST A DINING AREA, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, A 10 FOOT BY 10 FOOT.
A 10 FOOT BY 10 FOOT DECK WOULD BE SUFFICIENT
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FOR A 60 INCH ROUND TABLE THAT COULD SEAT ABOUT FIVE OR SIX PEOPLE.I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET A PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S ALL.
WELL, I MEAN, AND, AND JUST TO, JUST TO, TO ADD ON THAT, FOLKS, MY MAIN, MY MAIN PERSPECTIVE IS LIKE, I HAVE TWO LITTLE KIDS.
I, I'D LIKE TO LIKE, ADD ON TO OUR HOME JUST TO HAVE AN OUTIE AREA TO PLAY AND TO FIT AND TO ENTERTAIN.
AND IT, AND IT JUST, IT DOES NOT IN, IT DOES NOT INVOKE ON ANYBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.
SO I MEAN, I, I CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AS YOU CAN SEE, LIKE IT'S NOT JUST FOR A 60 INCH ROUND TABLE.
I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO JUST HAVE LIKE MY TWO LITTLE BOYS, TWO AND A HALF AND, AND NINE MONTHS OLD CHILD JUST TO, YOU KNOW, TO GROW UP ON THE DECK.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT IMPEDING ON ANYBODY'S PROPERTY.
IF I COULD, IF I COULD JUST ADD ONE THING, 'CAUSE MAYBE I, I KIND OF CONCUR WITH WHAT CHRISTY WAS SAYING, BUT JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM THE REAR OF THE HOUSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE IS 36.6, THE SETBACK SHOULD BE 19.6.
WHEN YOU DIVIDE THAT, THAT GIVES 17 FOOT BETWEEN WHERE THE SETBACK SHOULD BE.
SOMETHING'S NOT ADDING UP HERE.
DOES EVERYONE SEE IT ON, UM, ON THE, YEAH, APPARENTLY.
IT IS 19.6 TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY FROM, FROM THE PROPOSED, AND THEN THE EXTENSION IS 30 FAR LEFT, SAYS 36.
THEY GIVE YOU, UM, AN EXTRA THREE FEET WITH A DECK, RIGHT? EIGHT.
NO, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
EVERYONE'S GETTING CONFUSED HERE.
REQUIREMENT IS 28 FEET AND SAYS ON THE SITE FLAT, THE 19, THE 19.5 FEET IS THE, HAS THE REAR YARD SETBACK.
THE AGENDA HAS 23 THE DECK, BUT IT'S CORRECT.
WHAT'S THE, THE DECK IS ALLOWED.
WE HAVE A STENOGRAPHER WHO CANNOT TAKE DOWN FOUR PEOPLE AT ONCE, PLEASE.
EEC IS ALLOWED A FIVE FOOT ENCROACHMENT INTO THE REAR YARD.
SO THE REQUIRED REAR YARD SETBACK IS 23 ON THIS FILE.
SO ENCROACHMENT TO WHAT, SIR? I JUST WANNA UN UNDERSTAND, LIKE, WHAT AM I ENCROACHING UPON?
I MEAN, IN MY, IN MY BACKYARD, I, I'M, I MEAN, LISTEN, I'M SORRY.
I'M A BRONX BOY, SO I DON'T KNOW, UNDERSTAND, LIKE ENCROACHMENT ON WHAT? I MEAN, IT'S IN THE BACKYARD.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE TELL YOU WHERE YOU CAN PUT THINGS ON YOUR PROPERTY,
CAN'T, AND YOU CAN'T PUT IT UP TO THE LINE.
THAT MIGHT SOUND YOU A LONG LINE.
THAT MIGHT SOUND A BIT TOO DOGMATIC.
IT'S NOT WHERE WE CAN'T TELL YOU WHERE YOU CAN PUT THINGS.
WE CAN'T, WE CAN TELL YOU WHERE YOU CAN'T BUILD A STRUCTURE.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AS FAR AS LIKE, IF YOU SEE IT VISUALLY, LIKE I SENT THE PICTURES, LIKE IT'S NOT ENCROACHING UPON ANYTHING THAT IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE'S NOTHING BEHIND ME.
SO AS FAR AS THE, AS FAR AS THE, AS FAR AS THE SLOPE, THAT'S WHERE IT FEELS LIKE IT'S ENCROACHING UPON.
SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S ENCROACHING ON THE CODE.
OUR CODE TELLS YOU WHAT THE SETBACK SHOULD BE.
AND IF YOU, YOU CAN'T STAY WITHIN THAT SETBACK, YOU CAN ASK FOR VARIANCE.
WE ARE SAYING, WELL, AT LEAST I'M SAYING THAT I DON'T SEE THAT YOU HAVE TO, UH, NOT BE ABLE TO MEET THE SETBACK THAT THE CODE REQUIRES AND STILL HAVE A, A BEAUTIFUL PLAY AREA FOR YOUR CHILDREN.
SO, SO I'M ASKING, BUT YOU'LL DISAGREE WITH ME AND I'M TRYING TO HEAR YOUR, YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR DISAGREEMENT.
ALL, ALL I'M ALL, I'M TRYING TO, WHAT DO I NEED TO DO TO MAKE IT WORK? THAT'S IT.
SO, 'CAUSE I WANNA BUILD A DECK.
I WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING, A NICE LITTLE PLAY AREA FOR MY LITTLE BOYS AND NOT FEEL LIKE I'M ON A LITTLE, LITTLE, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE SLAB, YOU KNOW? AND I, I WISH I, I'D INVITE YOU OVER.
I'LL, I'LL, I'LL BUY YOU DINNER.
YOU COULD SEE MY BACKYARD
I'LL, I'LL, I'LL COOK YOU SOME POT, WHATEVER YOU WANT.
I'M SURE, I'M SURE IT'D BE WONDERFUL.
YOU KNOW, I, I'M JUST SAYING, LISTEN, MR. MARUCCI, LISTEN.
YOU'RE GONNA NEED SOME OF THAT BACKYARD SPACE TO KICK THE BALL.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE YOU GET A DECK THAT'LL WORK FOR YOU AND STILL GIVE YOU SOME SPACE IN THE BACKYARD TO GO PICK THE BALL.
AND I UNDER, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY WHOLE PREMISE OF
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BUILDING THIS DECK, BECAUSE I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.IF YOU STOOD LISTEN AS YOU COME OVER AND YOU STOOD IN THE BACKYARD AND SEE WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, NOT FROM A POLAROID PICTURE, THEN YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I, I, I, YEAH.
SO I, I I, I, I THOUGHT THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND THE VARIANCES AND I UNDERSTAND THAT I, I'M ENCROACHING UPON, BUT I, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE A WASTE OF TIME.
I WANT TO MAXIMIZE AND I WANT DO THE RIGHT THING BY THE TOWN OF GREENBURG AND BY MY FAMILY.
YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY.
AND I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP AND I APPRECIATE, UNDERSTOOD WHATEVER, LIKE, AND YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU, YOU WANT ME NEED ME TO DO AND 'CAUSE I WANNA MOVE FORWARD AND I WOULDN'T BE DOING THIS IF OTHERWISE.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, WE, WE, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO DELIBERATE THIS AND DECIDE AS A, AS A GROUP HOW MANY, DEPENDING ON WHAT VOTES YOU GET FOR WHAT YOU WANT VERSUS TAKE, PERHAPS YOU DON'T GET VOTES FOR WHAT YOU WANT.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IF YOU SAY, OKAY, I UNDERSTAND.
SO I CUT THE DECK BACK A FEW, PETE, BUT I CAN STILL PUT IT UP.
AS LONG AS I STAY WITHIN THAT 19.5 FEET AS OPPOSED TO 23 FEET, I CAN BUILD IT.
SO ALL I WOULD NEED FROM YOU IS EXACT DIMENSIONS OF WHAT I'M ALLOWED TO DO AFTER YOU GUYS DELIBERATE.
AND IF YOU DECIDE, I'M HOPING IN MY FAVOR,
I MEAN, I, I, I, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I NEED TO KNOW, I THINK.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I JUST WANNA WORK WITH YOU GUYS.
'CAUSE I'M NOT, I, I MEAN I'M, I, I'M, I'M, I JUST WANNA BUILD THE HOME FOR MY FAMILY, THAT'S ALL.
I BELIEVE THERE GUYS', IF THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE ON HIS MATTER.
I BELIEVE THERE'S AT LEAST ONE SPEAKER.
UH, MR. WEISS, DID YOU INTEND TO SPEAK? IF YOU DO, IF YOU COULD UNMUTE YOURSELF? NO, I, I I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT, UH, I'M IN TOTAL SUPPORT FOR ERIC'S CASE.
WE HAVE A SPECIAL BLOCK WHERE THERE'S ONLY FOUR HOUSES ON THE BLOCK AND WE EACH OWN A QUARTER OF IT.
AND LIKE THIS MORNING, NO ONE SHOVELS, UH, NO ONE, THE CITY DOESN'T SHOVEL OUR BLOCK.
AND MR. MARUCCI IS NICE ENOUGH TO COME OUT AND SNOWPLOW MINE.
SO HE'S VERY HELPFUL FOR EVERYONE ELSE.
AND I WOULD, I'M NOT TOTALLY, I'M NOT AGAINST THIS AT ALL.
I KNOW HE EXERCISED, YOU KNOW, RIGHT.
TIMES OF WHEN TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, NOT SO EARLY IN THE MORNING, NOT 6:00 AM START OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT THAT HE, HE SHOULD, UH, BE GRANTED, I THINK AS, AS IN ANYONE ELSE.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE, THE, THE ONE PERSON THAT WANTED TO SPEAK.
UM, SO YOU HAVE SOME SUPPORT, MR. MARUCCI, FROM YOUR NEIGHBOR.
I KNOW, I KNOW MR. RON WEISS IS A GREAT NEIGHBOR.
AND, UH, I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU GUYS ARE INVITED OVER FOR DINNER.
LET'S, LET'S DO IT ON THE DECK.
BUT THEN YOU, THE KIDS WILL BE PLAYING WHILE WE'RE EATING.
IF HE'S KICKING, IF HE'S COOKING LINGUINI, I'LL BE THERE.
I I I'LL BE COOKING IT FOR YOU TOMORROW.
AND THE NEXT CASE ON TODAY'S AGENDA, LET, LET ME CHECK, WOULD MR. SEINFELD, IS HE STILL HERE? REFE? I'M SORRY.
MR. STREIS SPELL, ARE YOU THERE? YES.
I THINK THEIR AUDIO SITUATION WAS CORRECTED.
LET'S, LET'S THANKS FOR REMINDING ME.
LET'S, LET'S SEE IF THAT IS CORRECTED.
UH, JEFF GRAY, STREIS PROPERTY AT SEVEN AND DOVER.
OKAY, SIR, YOU JUST HAVE TO UNMUTE YOURSELF AND THEN YOU CAN START TO UNMUTE IT.
SO YOU WANT ME TO TALK? IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? WE WANT YOU TO PRESENT TO US THE REASON WHY YOU NEED THIS VARIANCE.
I, I BOUGHT THIS HOUSE IN 1977 WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOUSE FROM, FROM THE PEOPLE WHO SOLD, SOLD WITH ME, THE FISHERS.
THERE WAS A LOWER DECK NOT ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE.
ULTIMATELY, THAT LOWER DECK ROTTED OUT AND I REPLACED IT WITH A PATIO IN THE SAME FOOTPRINT AS THE LOWER DECK.
UH, BETWEEN THAT PATIO AND MY HOUSE, I COULDN'T GROW GRASS BECAUSE THE WATER RAN FROM THE HILL BEHIND MY HOUSE RAN OFF AND IT
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JUST WOULDN'T GROW.SO I THEN BUILT A DECK ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE, WHICH WAS ALSO ATTACHED TO THE PATIO.
ALRIGHT? THAT EXISTED FOR 40 YEARS.
ULTIMATELY WHEN I, WHEN I BUILT IT WITHOUT A PA, UH, WITHOUT A PERMIT.
ULTIMATELY WHEN I WENT TO LEGALIZE THE DECK, I FOUND THAT I WAS IN THE SETBACK.
UH, AS I SAID, MY NEIGHBOR WHO WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS DECK AND THIS PATIO WHO LIVES ON THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, HAS NEVER SAID ANYTHING IN 30 OR 40 YEARS, NEVER OBJECTED TO IT.
ALL I'M TRYING TO DO NOW IS LEGALIZE WHAT'S THERE PRESENTLY.
QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NO, NO QUESTION.
UM, JUST THE OTHER, ONE OTHER POINT IS THE NEIGHBOR TO THAT SIDE PUT UP A, A FENCE.
THAT FENCE IS MORE THAN 20 FEET INSIDE THE LOT LINE.
I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE ALWAYS, WE'VE ALWAYS, UH, ACTED BETWEEN US AS IF THAT FENCE, THAT, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, CORRAL FENCE WAS THE BOUNDARY LINE, WHEN IN FACT IT WASN'T.
BUT THE NEIGHBOR ALWAYS KEPT INSIDE THAT FENCE, EVEN THOUGH SHE OWNED MORE THAN 20 FEET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME ANY ENCROACHMENT INTO THE SETBACK HAS NO ADVERSE EFFECT ON HER, BECAUSE SHE'S ALWAYS OPERATED AS IF THE, THE, THE BOUNDARY LINE WAS THIS THAT SHE PUT UP.
YOU FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING? DO YOU USE IT? AND UNFORTUNATELY, NOW THAT YOU HAVE STATED THIS, WHOEVER BUYS YOUR HOUSE OR WHOEVER BUYS THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR, THERE'S GOING TO BE A WAR PROBABLY
WELL, PROBABLY BECAUSE WE'VE EXPLAINED, WE'VE EXPLAINED IT TO THE PEOPLE WHO WERE BUYING THE HOUSE.
THEY JUST WANTED, THEY JUST WANT IT LEGALIZED.
YEAH, THAT'S ALL I I UNDERSTAND
SO SHE'S NICE ENOUGH TO LET YOU USE HER PROPERTY ALL THESE YEARS.
WELL, THAT IN EFFECT, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED.
I MEAN, I MEAN, BUT THERE'S A, A WHOLE BUNCH OF PROPERTY THAT'S STILL IN BETWEEN WHERE MY PATIO ENDS AND, AND WHERE HER FENCE BEGINS.
THERE'S STILL ALL THIS PROPERTY THAT NO ONE HAS EVER UTILIZED FOR 30, 40 YEARS.
SHE WANTED TO STAY AWAY FROM YOUR PATIO.
ANY COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? LET ME ASK YOU, UM, MR. STREIS FELT, WHEN DID YOU FINALLY PUT THE PATIO INTO PLACE, UM, WHERE YOU COULDN'T EXPRESS? THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD, UH, ALL RIGHT.
AS I SAID, THE LOWER DECK WAS THERE AND IT PROBABLY REMAINED MAYBE 10 OR 15 YEARS.
UM, SO I'M GUESSING THE LOWER PATIO WAS PUT IN SOMETIME IN THE EARLY NINETIES.
THE UPPER DECK, THE DECK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE UPPER DECK WAS BUILT IN 19 80, 40 YEARS AGO.
BUT THE LOWER PA, SO THE UPPER DECK CONNECTED TO THE LOWER DECK.
WHEN THE LOWER DECK ROTTED OUT, I REPLACED IT WITH A STONE PATIO RATHER THAN PUT WOOD.
THE STONE PATIO WAS PROBABLY BUILT AROUND 92.
THE WOOD DECK, THE UPPER DECK, AS I REFER TO IT, WAS, UH, BUILT IN 19
THE PATIO IS JUST PAVERS, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A, UH, LIKE A RETAINING, A STONE RETAINING WALL.
UH, WHEN I, WHEN I ORIGINALLY BOUGHT THE HOUSE, THEY WERE RAILROAD TIES HOLDING THAT WALL BACK, BUT THOSE TIES ALSO ROTTED.
SO TO RE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROPERTY DIDN'T COLLAPSE, I PUT UP A STONE.
NOW THE SHRUBBERY THAT WE SEE, WHICH IF THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN THIS YEAR, IS OBVIOUSLY GORGEOUS WHEN, RIGHT.
UH, AT THE TIME, IS THAT YOURS OR IS THAT ANY OF THAT, YOUR NEIGHBOR'S? THE SHRUBB? WELL, ALRIGHT,
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THE SHRUBBERY IS MINE.UH, AS I SAID, MY NEIGHBOR, WHO'S A VERY NICE LADY, SHE NEVER DID ANYTHING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS HER PROPERTY.
AND I'VE ALWAYS MAINTAINED THAT.
AND SHE'S NEVER MAINTAINED IT OR SAID ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
NOW, THE DRIVEWAY THAT WE SEE IN THE PICTURE, IS THAT YOUR DRIVEWAY OR SOMEONE ELSE'S? THAT'S MY DRIVEWAY.
IT'S A DRIVEWAY THAT GOES UP THE, UP THE HILL? YES, IT'S MY DRIVEWAY.
WHAT'S THE DIMENSION OF YOUR DECK? SINCE WE JUST, UH, HAD ANOTHER CASE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT? WHAT IS A REASONABLE DIMENSION? YOU KNOW, I DON'T REMEMBER.
I MEAN, I HAVE A, MY ARCHITECT SUBMITTED PLANS.
I'M LOOKING AT IT, I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I HIRED AN ARCHITECT.
YOU HAVE YOUR PHONE GONNA CALL.
I'M LOOKING AT IT AND I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT, BUT I DIDN'T, I MAYBE I'M NOT, NOT READING IT RIGHT, BUT I COULDN'T SEE AND I DON'T WANT TO GUESS.
WELL, ALRIGHT, I HAVE A, LET ME SEE.
I HAVE A COPY OF THE PLANT, SO LET'S SEE IF I CAN MAKE HIDE OR HAIR OF IT.
I'M LOOK ACTUALLY THE SIDE PLAN, JUST THE, THE ONE PAGE HERE.
UM, ALL RIGHT HERE, LET ME SEE IF I CAN SEE WHAT IT SAYS.
THE WOOD DECK IS 675 SQUARE FEET.
BUT WHAT'S THE DIMENSION? 1214, UH, 16.
THE PLANS, THE PLANS DON'T ACTUALLY SAY THAT, BUT LET'S FIGURE IT OUT.
IT'S PRETTY, HOW, HOW WIDE IS THE HOUSE? SAY IT ONCE AGAIN, MA'AM.
HOW WIDE IS THE HOUSE? UH, LET'S SEE.
UM, LET ME SEE IF I HAVE ANYTHING.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE DECK ABOUT 14 OR 15 FEET DEEP.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT 31 FEET LONG.
WELL, WE, WE HAVEN'T, I THINK WE GOT IT.
I THINK WE HAVE IT AN ESTIMATE FOR OUR BOARD MEMBERS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OTHER THAN, YEAH, NOW IS THIS, ANTHONY, IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN TO ME THE, THE DECK FRONT YARD.
WHERE IS THE FRONT YARD VERSUS THE SIDE YARD? AS WE LOOK AT THE, UM, I THINK ANTHONY STEPPED AWAY FOR A MOMENT.
I'M FROM HOME TODAY, SO I DON'T HAVE THE PLANS AT MY DISPOSAL.
ANTHONY, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, THE FRONT AND THE SIDE YARD.
UH, SORRY, IF YOU COULD RESTATE THE QUESTION, PLEASE.
IT APPEARS THAT THE VARIANCE FALLS FOR A REDUCTION IN THE DECK FRONT YARD.
LOOKING AT THE, AT THE DRAWING, I'M TRYING TO SEE WHERE THE FRONT YARD IS VERSUS THE REAR YARD.
FOR THE FAVOR FOR THE PATIO OR SIDE YARD? FOR THE PATIO.
WHEN I PULL WHILE I PULL IT OUT.
LOOKS LIKE THE FRONT IS A SIDE FACING ANDOVER ROAD.
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BUT I DON'T SEE THE DECK THERE.THAT'S WHAT'S THROWING ME OFF.
I SEE THE DECK AND, AND THE PAPER IN THE SIDE THERE, THERE'S A PORTION OF IT THAT IS EXTENDING INTO THE FRONT YARD SET THAT, OH, OKAY.
SO, SO THE DECK, THE DECK WRAPS AROUND THE FRONT OF THE PATIO MM-HMM.
SO, AND AS YOU COULD SEE, THERE'S, THERE'S 11, UH, FOOT TWO INCHES THAT, THAT SETBACK IS TO THE DECK.
SO, SO, SO THAT'S WHY THAT VARIANCE IS FOR THE DECK TO THE FRONT YARD.
THAT'S THE VARIANCE THAT'S REQUIRED THERE, THE VARIANCE THAT'LL BE LISTED.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? E YEAH, I GUESS SO.
AND THE, THAT THE PATIO IS IN THE SIDE YARD.
UM, AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A CORNER OF THE DECK THAT'S ALSO IN THE SIDE.
IS THE PROPERTY SOLD YET, SIR? PARDON ME? YES.
LAST TUESDAY WITH, WITH, UH, A PROVISO THAT, UH, THAT I FINISH WHAT HAS TO BE FINISHED TO LEGALIZE IT.
OH, ARE YOU, ARE YOU HOLDING MONEY IN ESCROW? YEAH, I'M HOLDING $15,000 IN ESCROW.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T GET IT LEGALIZED? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
THE, THE, UM,
I CAN'T GET THE MONEY OUT OF ESCROW UNTIL I LEGALIZE IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE POINT.
IT DOESN'T SAY I FORFEIT THE MONEY.
IT JUST SAYS THAT THE MONEY CAN'T COME OUT OF ESCROW UNTIL IT'S LEGALIZED.
IF IT'S NOT LEGALIZED, I GUESS WE'D HAVE TO, I'D HAVE TO WORK SOMETHING OUT TO REDUCE THE DECK OR REDUCE THE PATIO.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I COULD SAY TO YOU.
UM, UM, OTHER THAN THE NEIGHBOR THAT'S VERY FRIENDLY NEXT DOOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM ANY OTHER NEIGHBORS? WELL, THE ONLY, I MEAN, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME ARE GOOD FRIENDS AND THEY HAVE NO, I MEAN, THEY VERBALIZED TO ME THAT THEY DON'T CARE.
BUT AS I SAID, UH, WE'VE LIVED THIS WAY FOR 30 TO 40 YEARS WITHOUT ANYONE OBJECTING.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.
THANK YOU FOR BEARING WITH ME WHEN I HAD THE AUDIO PROBLEM.
UH, PROPERTY LOCATED AT 31 HIDDEN GLEN ROAD, SCARSDALE.
AND WHO DO WE HAVE ON THAT CASE? HELLO, MR. LAPEL.
UM, IF YOU COULD UNMUTE YOURSELF AND, UH, INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE BOARD AND YOUR PROJECT, UNLESS YOU HAVE A, UM, DESIGN PROFESSIONAL THAT'S GOING TO INTRODUCE THE PROJECT.
MR. LAPEL IS, IS, YOU CAN FEEL FREE TO SAY HELLO.
AND, UM, AND IS MR. ESCAL? YEAH.
UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, SIR.
UH, UH, ACTUALLY, EMILIO ESCALADES IS REPRESENTING US IN THIS CASE.
UM, MADAM CHAIR AND, UH, HOPEFULLY EMILIO.
SO, EMILIO, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, I JUST, UH, ASKED YOU TO UNMUTE YOUR MIC.
UM, SO IF YOU JUST UNMUTE YOURSELF AND, UH, PLEASE PRESENT THE PROJECT.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, SIR.
NOW I CANNOT SEE YOU GUYS, SO I'M LIKE SPEAKING AS A BLIND MAN.
AND YOU GUYS HAVE KEPT ME AMUSED FOR THE LAST HOUR.
IT'S, IT WAS AN, IT'S AN INTERESTING TV PROGRAM I'M WATCHING.
AND I'M LEARNING FROM ALL YOU GUYS THAT THIS, THE, THE PATIENCE AND THE, THE, THE JUSTICE THAT YOU HAVE AT YOUR FINGERTIPS.
THE POWER IS, ANYWAY, IT SEEMS LIKE, IT SEEMS LIKE TODAY IS THE DECK DAY, BECAUSE I ALSO HAVE A SIMILAR ISSUE.
UH, THIS PROPERTY HISTORICALLY IS THE SECOND HOUSE THAT I EVER
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DESIGNED IN MY LIFE.AND I DID IT FOR PROJECT, UH, I DID MAYBE ANOTHER 12 HOUSES IN THAT SUBDIVISION.
AND IT WAS A, FOR ME, IT WAS A MOMENTOUS LOCATION.
IT WAS LIKE, I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M BUILDING HOUSES AFTER I WAITED NINE YEARS OF STUDIES.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE GIFTS THAT GOD GIVES YOU AS YOU BECOME AN ARCHITECT.
AND THIS HOUSE WAS, UH, PURCHASED, THE LOT WAS PURCHASED BEFORE.
IT WAS BUILT BY MR. COWMAN, UH, WHO WAS THE BUILDER AND THE OWNER OF THE PROJECT.
UH, MR. AND MRS. LAPEL BOUGHT IT.
THEY WERE RECENTLY MARRIED, OR THEY WERE GONNA GET MARRIED, I WASN'T SURE.
AND I WAS ALSO GOING TO GET MARRIED.
SO, UM, BIG MISTAKE ON THAT, ON MY END.
BUT I REMEMBER GOING THERE WITH MY FIRST WIFE LOOKING AT THE FOUNDATIONS AND SO ON.
AND ANYWAY, I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU A PICTURE THAT THIS IS A HISTORICAL, UM, UM, KIND OF ARCHITECTURAL PIECE FOR ME.
MR. AND MRS. LAPEL CALLED ME, UH, WHEN THEY WERE TELLING ME THAT WE'RE SELLING THE HOUSE, AND WE FOUND SOMETHING THAT IT, THEY WERE VERY NERVOUS.
AND I SAID, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DID YOU FIND? YOU DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE HOUSE.
SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT YOU HAVE IN THE SUBMISSION WILL GIVE YOU A CLEAR, AN IDEA OF WHAT THE WHOLE ENSEMBLE LOOKS LIKE.
THERE'S SOME AERIAL PICTURES THAT DISPLAY THE HOUSE QUITE WELL.
AND WHAT WE HAVE IS A FAIRLY, UH, UH, MODERN HOUSE WITH A DECK IN THE REAR THAT IS SPRAWLING DOWNWARD TOWARDS THE GROUND.
THERE'S ALSO A DECK ON THE, IF YOU FACE THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT SIDE, WHICH TUMBLES OUT TO THE LITTLE MINI SIDE YARD.
BUT I WANTED THAT TO BE AN EXPERIENCE TO BE, TO BE, TO BE HAD FROM THAT SMALL ROOM.
AS A RESULT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SURVEY THAT WAS SUBMITTED UPON, UH, THE, UH, THE TITLE SEARCH, IT WAS FOUND THAT THERE WERE TWO ISSUES THAT WERE ILLEGAL.
AND, AND I, AND I SAY THIS IS THE EXISTING SAME HOUSE THAT THEY PURCHASED 34 YEARS AGO FROM THE BUILDER.
SO THEY HAVEN'T ADDED TO THIS AT ALL.
THIS IS WHAT THEY BOUGHT WHEN THEY GOT MARRIED.
ONE OF THE ISSUES IS ON THE SIDE YARD, WHICH IS ON, ON THE NARROW PORTION.
AND IT IS, WE'RE, WE'RE SEEKING, UH, A VARIANCE TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
AND THAT TRANSLATES TO A NUMBER THAT IS 12 FOOT SIX, JUST JUST SO THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT.
SO THERE'S A 12 FOOT SIX VARIANCE THAT WE NEED, WHICH IS SHORTER BY A FEW FEET.
I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY, BUT IF WE NEED TO, I'LL FIND OUT.
AND THE ONE IN THE REAR, WHICH NEEDS TO BE 23, LIKE THE OTHER, UH, GUY THAT'S GONNA INVITE YOU FOR DINNER, I CAN INVITE YOU FOR DINNER AS WELL.
I WANT YOU TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
WHAT ARE YOU COOKING? I CAN COOK.
I, ESPECIALLY WITH LEFTOVERS, HE'S GETTING LINGUINI, SO, OH, NO, NO, NO.
AND I DO VIEJA, WHICH IS THE RIPPED BEEF.
OH, WITH VINEGAR AND WINE AND ONIONS.
ARE YOU KIDDING? YOU WOULD BE LICKING YOUR FINGERTIPS.
ANYWAY, THE BACK, INSTEAD OF BEING, NEEDING TO BE 23, I, I ONLY HAVE 14.
NOW, MIND YOU, THIS WAS BUILT.
I THINK THAT'S THE, UH, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE AGE OF THE OLDEST BOY.
UM, SO NOW THEY HAVE A HOUSEHOLD, THE, THE HOUSEHOLD IN A WEEK, BECAUSE IT'S ESCALADAS DESIGN, IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
AND THEY WERE VERY NERVOUS ABOUT THIS MEETING.
I SAID, LOOK, WE'RE GOING TO ATTEMPT TO TELL EVERYBODY THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED.
AND NOW THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF CAVEATS HERE, WHICH FAVOR US.
AND IT, AND IT'S ALWAYS ONE THING THAT I ASK MY APPLICANTS AND SAY, LOOK, GO TO YOUR NEIGHBORS, AND HOPEFULLY THEY HAVE THIS NICE RELATIONSHIP.
WHEN THEY DO, THEY HAVE A LETTER IN, I THINK IT'S A ADDENDUM TWO, THAT SHOW SHOWS THE, UH, NEIGHBORS TO THE RIGHT AND TO THE LEFT.
UM, TRYING TO GET THIS TOO MUCH PAPER HERE.
I HAVE IT AS ADDENDUM FOUR IS, TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN, MISS MR. DAVID HARGRAVE HARGRAVES AT 29 HIDDEN GLEN AND PHYLLIS BECKER AT 30 HIDDEN GLEN.
IT SAYS, THE LETTER, THIS LETTER IS TO ACKNOWLEDGE SUPPORT FOR THE APPLICATION TO LEGALIZE THE DECKS AT THE PROPERTY OF 31 HIDDEN GLEN SCARSDALE, NEW YORK, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
SO THEY WERE KIND ENOUGH TO SAY TO YOU, FOLKS, LOOK, WE'RE THE NEIGHBORS.
WE HAVE BEEN LIVING WITH THIS CONDITION FOR SO MANY YEARS.
WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
THE OTHER GOOD ADDENDUM, UH, ARE PIECES OF PAPER THAT, UH, SOMETIMES ARE WRITTEN AT THE RIGHT TIME.
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WENT TO THE, UH, REAR PROPERTY OWNERS, WHICH IS ANDREW ANDREW'S, UM, ST.ANDREW'S COMPANY, WHICH IS, UH, ST.
ANDREW'S COMPANY, WHICH IS THE GOLF COURSE.
AND BASICALLY, THIS DOCUMENT SAYS, WE ARE AWARE, YOU'RE IMPINGING, YOU ARE, WE DON'T CARE.
THE REASON WHY THEY DID THAT IS BECAUSE I THINK MR. KAMAN HELPED, UH, ST.
ANDREW'S GET A WATERLINE AS PART OF THE, UH, EASEMENT, OR I DON'T REMEMBER THE MACHINATIONS, THAT KAMAN HAD A LOT OF MACHINATIONS, AND HE WAS ABLE TO DO SOMETHING GOOD AND GET SOMETHING IN RETURN.
SO THAT WAS, THAT'S THE NEIGHBOR IN THE REAR, THE BIG NEIGHBOR.
THE, THE, UH, THE, THE GOLF COURSE.
THEY ALSO HAVE ANOTHER UNDERSTANDING HERE FROM ST.
I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT I SOMETIMES WANT TO BE.
AND IT SAYS, THE REGRADING OF THE LAND IS ACCEPTABLE, AND WE ARE AWARE OF THE ENCROACHMENT PERIOD.
THE TOWN IS, THE TOWN IS HELD HARMLESS FOR ANY ENSUE, AN ACTION, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
WHATEVER THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT AT THE TIME.
BUT THEY WERE, THEY WERE AWARE THAT THIS WAS, THAT WAS, THIS WAS A FACT.
THEN THERE IS THE QUESTION OF THE EASEMENT CON EDISON EASEMENT ON THE RIGHT SIDE, WHICH IS WHERE THE DECK IS STRUCTURALLY FLOATING OVER.
AND THERE'S ALSO A LETTER HERE FROM, UH, A RELEASE EASEMENT IS ADDENDUM.
I ACTUALLY SHOULD BE ADDENDUM FIVE, NOT ADDENDUM FOUR.
I LEAVE THAT IN YOUR HANDS FOR YOU TO REVIEW AND ACCEPT AS ADEQUATE FOR THIS, UH, UH, INTRUSION.
UM, LUCKILY, THE, THE REAR WITH ST.
ANDREWS IS RECOGNIZED BY THEM BACK THEN.
AND LUCKILY, THE INTRUSION INTO THE EASEMENT FOR, UH, CON EDISON WAS ALSO ADDRESSED IN A DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAVE, YOU WILL READ IT AND YOU WILL, UH, UH, PASS JUDGMENT ON THAT.
I FELT THAT WHEN I READ IT, IT WAS OKAY.
UM, BUT TECHNICALLY I NEED TO GO TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND SHOW THEM, YES, I'M IN VIOLATION OF THESE DISTANCES.
I GOT THE BLESSING FROM, UH, UH, UH, FROM THE GODS AND, AND I CAN PROCEED WITH THE APPLICATION FOR A NEW DECK.
'CAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT, OF THAT DECK THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT DOESN'T HAVE.
SO I HAVE TO DRAW THE STRUCTURAL DRAWINGS OF THAT DECK SUBMITTED WITH THE, UH, UH, ALLOWANCE OF THIS VARIANCE.
AND THEN I CAN GET A BUILDING PERMIT.
MAYBE THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE REPAIRED, REPLACED.
I, I'LL SEE WHEN I, UH, IF I'M LUCKY ENOUGH TO GET THE VARIANCE, THEN I'LL GO AND I'LL, I'LL INSPECT EVERYTHING.
I'LL DRAW WHAT HAS TO BE DONE AND, UH, AND GET A BUILDING PERMIT, REPAIR IT, AND GET A C O O.
BY THE WAY, THE HOUSE IS SOLD, THE HOUSE IS SOLD AS WELL.
SO IT'S ADDITIONAL PRESSURE ON YOU FOLKS.
THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE HAVE.
I WAS WAITING FOR, UH, AND, AND NO, I WAS, NO, I WAS WAITING FOR ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS TO ASK WHAT THE ESCROW WAS.
HE, HE HEARD, HE HEARD THE OTHER ONE EVEN.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING UPFRONT BECAUSE IT'S IN, IT'S IN YOUR SUBMISSION THAT, YOU KNOW, AT THE TIME YOU SAID YOU WERE SELLING IT, SO IT SOUND LIKE IT WAS RECENTLY SOLD.
WE'VE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH ENOUGH OF THESE THAT EVE BY NOW, WE KNOW, UH, THAT IT'S SOME KIND OF SALE AND MONEY HELD IN ESCROW, AND THEY HAVE TO CLEAN IT UP.
BUT IT'S ALWAYS BETTER THAT IT'S SOLD.
SO YOU'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT HOLDING IT UP FROM BEING, FROM, FROM, UM, FROM BEING SOLD.
BUT THE POINT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO THE BOARD IS THAT THIS IS AN, THIS IS A STRUCTURE THAT'S BEEN LIKE THAT FOR 34 YEARS.
OTHER QUESTIONS? ONE LETTER FROM THE NEIGHBOR.
IS IT THE NEIGHBOR TO THE LEFT OF THE PROPERTY? THE, WELL, THERE ARE TWO, THE TWO NEIGHBORS.
UH, THE NUMBERS ARE, LET ME SEE.
UH, SO BOTH NEIGHBORS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE ARE IN AGREEMENT? YES.
IT'S, IT'S NUMBER 29 AND NUMBER 30.
SO I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, I, IRA, I NEED YOU NOW 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW.
SO YOU'RE IN, YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TWO NEIGHBORS, OKAY.
YOU'VE BEEN, YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE THERE FROM THE ORIGINAL PURCHASE, RIGHT? OR YOU'RE THE THERE'S ONLY ONE MORE, MR. MENDEL.
MR. MENDEL IS YOUR NEIGHBOR ALSO.
BUT HE'S AT A HOUSE OVER FURTHER AWAY.
BUT, BUT IF MR. MENDELA WAS ASKED RIGHT NOW, HE WOULD SAY ABSOLUTELY.
GIVE THEM THE, GIVE THEM THE, UH, VARIANCE, RIGHT? YES.
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WELL.I THINK HE HAD A CHICKEN IN THE BACK THERE ONE DAY.
EVERYBODY KNEW WHEN IT WAS FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, CORRECT.
THIS IS WHAT MAKES A NICE HISTORY OF A VILLAGE.
YOU KNOW, WE ARE STILL A VILLAGE, OR HOPEFULLY WE SHOULD BE A VILLAGE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE HOW, HOW, HOW, HOW, HOW, WHAT'S THE LENGTH, I GUESS, OF THE STAIRCASE? 'CAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE IT'S FAIRLY LONG.
DO YOU KNOW MISS ESCAL? IT'S, IT'S ABOUT FIVE RISERS.
SO FIVE TIMES 10, IT WOULD BE 50 INCHES EACH TREAD.
UH, UM, WELL, THERE'S ONLY ONE.
THERE'S ONE TREAD LESS THAN THE NUMBER OF RISERS.
SO IT'S FOUR TIMES 10, 40, I WOULD SAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE? I LOVE THE SILENCE.
I THINK YOU'VE, UH, EXPLORED THIS EFFICIENTLY, MR. DEDIS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING DOING THIS.
THIS IS A, THIS IS A GREAT EFFORT IN YOUR PART.
YOU KNOW, I'M SITTING HERE WATCHING AND IT'S A, IT'S NOT EASY.
THE NEXT CASE ON TODAY'S AGENDA IS CASE 2031, FRANCINE GALLUS AND MICHELLE PUCCI PROPERTY AT 1 35 OLD ARMY ROAD ENROLLED, AND THEY DON'T WANT A DECK.
UH, THIS IS ELLIOT SINOR FOR THE APPLICANT ENGINEER SURVEYOR ON CENTRAL AVENUE IN HARTSDALE.
WE DON'T, UM, WE DON'T WANNA, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A DECK.
AND, UM, I MAKE A MEAN, UH, SMOKED BRISKET IF YOU, UH, YOU KNOW, SINCE EVERYBODY'S F*****G
UH, THIS APPLICANT WAS GRANTED A SUBDIVISION, UH, A YEAR AGO SEPTEMBER.
IT'S BEEN, UH, MORE THAN A YEAR.
UH, AND THEY HAVE SOLAR PANELS THAT ARE POWERING THEIR HOUSE OR SUPPLEMENTING THE AIR, THEIR, THEIR HOUSE, UM, ELECTRICITY ON THE VACANT, UH, WHAT WOULD, WOULD BE CREATED A VACANT LOT.
UM, SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS.
THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED, UH, AT THE MOMENT IN SELLING THEIR PROPERTY.
I GUESS EVERYBODY ELSE IS SELLING.
UM, AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE, UH, VERY GOOD LUCK FINDING ANYBODY WHO WOULD RE WHO WOULD REMOVE THE SOLAR PANELS ONTO THEIR, THEIR HOUSE LOT.
UM, SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE TO ESSENTIALLY KEEP THE, UH, THE SOLAR PANELS ON THE LOT, UH, UM, BY THEMSELVES.
WE, UH, I GUESS AT THIS POINT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
UH, 'CAUSE IT IS, UH, CERTAINLY LONGER THAN, UH, THAN A YEAR.
SO YOU COULD SEE THE SOLAR PANELS IN, UH, GARRETT PUT UP THE, OR AARON PUT UP THE PLAN.
YOU SEE THE SOLAR PANELS ON THE BOTTOM.
THEY'RE BASICALLY, UM, 12 BY 40, AND THE HIGHEST POINT IS, UH, 12 FEET HIGH.
UM, THAT'S IN, WITHIN THE, UH, REQUIRED SETBACK.
SO WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY, ANY VARIANCES LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT THEY'RE NOT PLANNING ON SELLING A HOUSE.
AND, AND I THINK THAT IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE IT A CONDITION THAT THEY'D HAVE TO MOVE THE PANELS, UM, AT THAT TIME, THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
ALTHOUGH THE PANELS COULD BE USED FOR THE NEW HOUSE, DEPENDING ON WHAT A, UH, A NEW HOUSE WOULD BE.
WE'RE LOOKING, ASKING FOR, UH, BEARINGS TO HAVE A, UM, AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON A LOT, UM, THAT WOULD NOT BE ACCESSORY TO A PRIME STRUCTURE AFTER THE SUBDIVISION IS COMPLETE.
WHEN, WHEN DID THE PANELS GO UP? UM, I WOULD SAY THEY'RE PROBABLY ABOUT 8, 8, 8 YEARS AGO.
AND WHEN, UH, THEY OWNED THE PROPERTY BEFORE THAT? UH, YEAH, THEY BUILT THE HOUSE.
THIS IS A RELATIVELY NEW HOUSE.
UM, AND THEY PUT THE SOLAR PANELS, UH, UP AT APPROXIMATELY THE SAME TIME, I THINK.
AND THEY, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY TRIED TO FIND A CONTRACTOR IN THE SPRING, BUT OF COURSE THEN AT THAT POINT IT WAS COVID AND THERE WAS A SHUTDOWN.
AND, AND THE PRICES THAT THEY DID GET IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN BUILDING NEW SOLAR PANELS.
'CAUSE I GUESS NOBODY, EVERYBODY WANTS TO SELL SOLAR PANELS.
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REINSTALL THEM.SO TELL US, SINCE THEY BUILT THE HOUSE AND THE PANELS WENT UP AT ABOUT THE SAME TIME, WHAT WAS THE THINKING IN PUTTING THEM WHERE THEY ARE, KNOWING THAT, UH, THEY WERE ON A LOT THAT YOU NOW WANNA SUBDIVIDE? WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WANTED TO SUBDIVIDE AT THE TIME, BUT IF YOU'LL NOTICE THE TREE, UH, THE TREES IN THIS, IN THIS PICTURE, UM, ALL THE TREES IN THE BACKYARD OR THE TREES TO THE NORTH OF WHERE THEY ARE NOW WOULD INTERFERE WITH, WITH THE SOLAR PANELS OR BEING THERE WAS, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE EXISTING OPEN TO THE SKY WOULDN'T REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL TREES TO BE REMOVED.
UM, BUT IT IS NOTICED, THE, THE TREE'S BE JUST BEHIND IT AND THAT BIG, BIG TREE ON THE RIGHT.
UM, SO IT WAS THE ONLY LOCATION THEY CAN PUT IT IN AT THE TIME.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
ANYONE ON THE BOARD? YEAH, PERHAPS YOU SAID IT AND I MISSED IT.
UM, THE, THE CURRENT OWNER, WHEN THEY MOVED IN, THEY PUT IN THE SOLAR PANEL OR THEY BOUGHT IT LIKE THAT.
WELL, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY, IT PUT IT IN, THERE WAS A NEW HOUSE.
I THINK THE SOLAR PANELS WENT IN ABOUT THE SAME TIME AS THE HOUSE WAS BUILT.
AND IN YOUR APPLICATION, YOU SAID, UH, IT IS, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO RELOCATE IT.
SO YOU WERE CONTEMPLATING RELOCATING IT AT SOME POINT? UH, WE WERE, I MEAN, ORIGINALLY WE WERE CONTEMPLATING, OR YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN CONTEMPLATING RELOCATING IT.
THE PLANNING BOARD HAD SUGGESTED WE GO FOR A VARIANCE, BUT AT THE TIME, UH, WE, WE FELT THAT MOVING 'EM WOULD BE CLEANER, BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO, THE CONTRACTORS, THE SOLAR COMPANIES, THEY DID CONTACT THEM, HAVE 'EM MOVED.
YOU DID SAY THAT WERE VERY EXPENSIVE AND, OR, YOU KNOW, THEY WANNA, IT WAS THE SAME COST OF, OF INSTALLING NEW ONES.
THEY, THEY BASICALLY DON'T WANT TO DO THE JOB, SO THEY PROBABLY THROW A HIGH NUMBER AT IT.
ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBER? WELL, THEY FIT ON THE ROOF OF MY HOUSE.
WELL, I KNOW A GOOD COMPANY WILL DO IT FOR YOU, BUT, YOU KNOW,
AND, UM, I HAVEN'T HAD A UTILITY BILL IN THE LAST TWO YEARS SINCE I'VE INSTALLED THEM.
UM, ANYONE IN THE, NO ONE IN THE AUDIENCE.
WE WILL, UM, GIVE THIS SOME CONSIDERATION.
AND THE LAST CASE WE HAVE ON TODAY'S AGENDA IS CASE 20, CASE 2032.
CAROLYN JONES, PROPERTY AT 53 RIVERVIEW AVENUE LEY.
AND WHO IS HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT? QUIET.
ALRIGHT, MS. JONES, WE, WE NEED YOU TO SPEAK UP.
WE SEE YOU OR IF YOU'RE DESIGN PROFESSIONALS ON AND DESIGN PROFESSIONALS ON, AND, UH, DEAN OR STRAUSS IS THE PROFESSIONAL.
IF YOU COULD, UH, PLEASE UNMUTE YOUR MIC AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE BOARD.
UH, I DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO UNMUTE THIS GENTLEMAN, SO, UM, YOU'LL HAVE TO DO THAT.
I'M GOING TO HIT THE ASK TO UNMUTE IF YOU CAN UNMUTE YOURSELF AND, UH, LET US KNOW IF YOUR ARCHITECT IS AVAILABLE TO SPEAK.
UM, UH, MAYBE, UM, MR. STRAUSS, IF HE PRESSES STAR SIX, IT WILL UNMUTE HIM.
UM, MR. STRAUSS IS THE ARCHITECT THAT DREW UP THE PLANTS.
BASICALLY WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING IS TO BE ABLE TO PUT A PORTICO OVER EXISTING STEPS.
THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1959, AND WE ARE THE SECOND OWNERS.
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HUSBAND IS ORTHOPEDICALLY DISABLED, UM, AND I'M 72.WE REALLY NEED THIS FOR HEALTH REASONS.
IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE PICTURES THAT I PRESENTED AT THE VERY, UH, FRONT OF THE, UM, UH, OF YOUR PACKET, WHICH WE PREPARED 11 PACKETS FOR YOU.
UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE STEPS HAVE NO RAILINGS AND THEY ARE COMPLETELY UNCOVERED.
UM, WHEN IT SNOWS THE, UM, STEPS ICE OVER AND WE ARE UNABLE TO ENTER THE HOUSE FROM THE FRONT.
WE HAVE TO GO IN THROUGH THE GARAGE.
WE REALLY, EVEN GOING IN THROUGH THE GARAGE, OUR PROPERTY IS BELOW GRADE AND GOES AT A SLANT.
AND THAT CAUSES DIFFICULTY FOR US TO WALK, TO GET INTO THE GARAGE.
SO WE ARE REQUESTING THAT YOU GIVE US A VARIANCE TO PUT A PORTICO OVER THE STEPS WITH RAILINGS, WHICH IS WHAT THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS SHOW.
WE ALSO INCLUDED IN THE PACKET, UM, UH, SIGNED LETTERS FROM THE THREE PROPERTIES THAT ARE NEAR US, UM, THE ONE TO THE LEFT OF US OR HAS A PORTICO.
THE ONE TO THE RIGHT OF US HAS A PORTICO, AND THE ONE DIRECTLY TO THE LEFT FRONT OF US DOESN'T.
BUT THEY, WE'VE BEEN NEIGHBORS FOR 44 YEARS AND NONE OF THEM HAVE ANY OBJECTION SINCE, SINCE YOU'VE LIVED IN THE HOUSE SO LONG, UH, WERE THOSE PROTOCOLS THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE THERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS? NO.
THE HOUSE, WELL, YES, SEVEN YEARS.
THE HOUSE DIRECTLY TO THE, TO, UM, IF YOU LOOKING AT THE HOUSE, IT'S TO THE RIGHT, THE PORTICO, THAT'S A BRAND NEW HOUSE WITHIN THE LAST, I GUESS SIX OR SEVEN YEARS THAT IT WAS BUILT.
SO IT WAS BUILT WITH A PORTICO.
THE ONE TO THE LEFT, UM, UH, IS, UH, AGAIN, THAT, UH, THEY'VE HAD A PORTICO FOR AS LONG AS I'VE LIVED HERE.
UM, IT'S A SMALLER PORTICO, UM, AND STEEL, BUT, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S LEGAL OR NOT, BUT IT IS, IT IS THERE.
UM, NONE OF THEM HAVE ANY OBJECTION.
THE PROBLEM WITH THIS WAS THAT WE WERE REQUIRED TO GO FOR VARIANCES BECAUSE WHEN THE HOUSE WAS BUILT, IT WAS BUILT.
UM, THE PROPERTY LINE IS LESS THAN THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF FEET, 20 FEET OR WHATEVER IT IS, TO THE, TO THEIR DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS, UH, LOOKING AT THE HOUSE TO THE RIGHT OF US, 55 RIVERVIEW.
THEY DON'T MIND, THEY DON'T CARE.
WE CAN PUT A PORTICO UP, BUT WE REALLY NEED RAILINGS AND WE NEED A PORTICO TO COVER.
RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE OF THIS SNOWSTORM, I DON'T HAVE ANY STEPS BECAUSE WE ARE THE DEAD END HOUSE ON THE STREET.
NOT ONLY DO WE GET SNOW THAT EVERYBODY ELSE GETS, BUT WE ARE LIKE THE SNOW BLOCKER AND WE GET ALL THE DRIFTS.
SO I, I COULDN'T EVEN GET OUT THE FRONT DOOR RIGHT NOW WITHOUT A PORTICO.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO ON THAT PORTICO IS TO PUT, UM, HEATING WIRING TO ALLOW, UM, IT NOT TO FREEZE OVER, WHICH WE HAVE ON THE CURRENT ROOF NOW.
SO WE'RE GOING TO EXTEND THAT.
DOES MR. STRAUS, UH, WAS HE ABLE TO GET ON? I THOUGHT FOR A MOMENT HE WAS.
MR. STRAUS, PRESS STAR SIX AND YOU WILL UNMUTE YOUR PHONE.
YOU KNOW, NONE OF US ARE TECH.
YOU HAVE TO REALIZE MR. STRAUSS IS ALSO BEYOND OUR AGE GROUP.
AND, UH, IT'S, THIS IS DIFFICULT.
I, I, I HAD A, UM, I HAD AN AERIAL VIEW.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD WAS SEEING THE RIGHT THING.
I HAD A, UH, A BLUE OR A TURQUOISE HOUSE BEFORE, AND I THINK THAT'S NOT IT.
SO, UM, YOUR HOUSE, UH, IS, IS IT, IT'S A GRAY HOUSE.
UM, AND I FEEL LIKE DOES THE BOARD UNDERSTAND THIS TO BE THE, THE, THE PROPER VIEW THAT'S HELPING YOU OUT RIGHT NOW? YES.
YEAH, BECAUSE LOOKING AT THE OTHER HOUSE, SOMETHING WASN'T ADDING UP
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THAT WAS ON THE SCREEN BRIEFLY, MA'AM.I WAS JUST TRYING TO SHARE AN AERIAL PHOTO AND I HAD THE WRONG ONE, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I WAS SHOWING THE RIGHT THING.
UM, ANY COMMENTS? BOARD MEMBERS, JUST, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE TO GET A VARIANCE, IF YOU OKAY.
IT IN ORDER FOR US TO BE ABLE TO LET FRANZO ALSO KNOW THAT THEY CAN GO AHEAD WITH IT.
WELL, WE DON'T ISSUE THE PERMIT, SO I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD GIVE YOU THAT ANSWER.
MAYBE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT COULD, I DON'T KNOW.
HOW LONG DOES THAT TAKE? SO MA'AM, THE, UM, THE, THE ZONING BOARD WILL SOON DELIBERATE ALL THE APPLICATIONS THEY HAVE HEARD TONIGHT.
UH, SOMETIMES THEY RENDER DECISIONS, UH, TONIGHT.
OTHERS THEY RENDER, UH, THEY CLOSE FOR DECISION AND RENDER NEXT MONTH.
SO I THINK WE'LL KNOW BETTER, UM, AFTER THE BOARD DELIBERATES, SO WE CAN ADVISE YOU, UM, ON TIMING ABOUT YOUR PROPOSAL.
HOW WILL I BE NOTIFIED? UH, YOU CAN CALL CAROL WALKER AND WE'LL BE IN CONTACT WITH YOU, UM, AT, AT ANY TIME.
I, I WANNA IMPRESS UPON YOU ALL HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS FOR MY HUSBAND AND MYSELF.
WE WANT TO STAY IN OUR HOME, AND AS WE AGE UP, I'M 72 AND HE'S 74.
WE NEED RAILINGS, WHICH IS CODE, AND WE NEED THE COVERAGE OVER THE STEPS.
UM, YOU ASSUME THERE'S NO ONE IN THE AUDIENCE ON THIS? NOPE.
AND NOTHING MR. STRAUS WANTED TO ADD, I BELIEVE.
I DON'T THINK HE'S ON, I DON'T THINK HE CAN SPEAK.
UH, SO WE'RE GOING TO, UM, ADJOURN AT THIS POINT FOR OUR DELIBERATIONS, AND AS WE, UH, WE INDICATED YOU CAN LISTEN, BUT YOU CANNOT PARTICIPATE AT THAT ALL.
SO WE WILL NEED A FEW MINUTE BREAK.
AND IT IS NOW, OH, HOLD ON ONE MINUTE, PLEASE.
MR. STRAUS IS ON THE OTHER PHONE.
OKAY, MR. STRAUSS, THEY CAN HEAR YOU.
YES, I WAS ON THE PHONE ALL THE TIME.
CAN YOU TELL THEM ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT THEM TO KNOW? I THINK YOU'VE COVERED IT PRETTY WELL.
I, SHE DID IT PRETTY WELL TOO,
I'M SAYING YOU DIDN'T SEE ME, BUT, UH, UM, UH, KEEP ME IF YOU WOULD.
UH, AM I ADDRESSING THE BOARD? YES, GO AHEAD.
OH, UH, WHEN THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT, THIS, THE ZONING WAS VERY DIFFERENT.
UH, AS YOU CAN NOTE FROM MY, MY PLAN, THIS IS A JUST UNDER 12,000 SQUARE FOOT ROUTE.
AT THE TIME IT WAS BUILT, IT REQUIRED ONLY 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO WHAT WAS CONFORMING AT THE TIME IT WAS BUILT, INCLUDING WHAT THE FRONT STEPS AND WHERE THE PORTICO WOULD GO, IS NOW NON-CONFORMING.
AND THAT IS A RESULT OF A, A CHANGE, A LASER CHANGE IN ZONING OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AS, UM, MRS. JONES INDICATED, THE NEIGHBORS HAVE ALL SEEN THESE DRAWINGS AND HAVE NO OBJECTIONS.
AND, UH, UH, WE FEEL THAT THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, NOT ONLY FOR, UH, A, UH, A STELLAR ADDITION TO THE HOUSE, BUT FOR THE SAFETY OF BEVERLY THEMSELVES WITH THEIR GUESTS.
SO WE WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR FAVORABLE CONSIDERATION OF THIS REQUEST.
THAT WAS A GOOD POINT THAT YOU BROUGHT OUT FOR US REGARDING THE ZONING.
I'M SORRY, I, YOU DIDN'T HEAR ME BEFORE.
OKAY, NOW I THINK WE CAN ADJOURN SO THAT WE CAN HAVE OUR DELIBERATIONS.
AND UPON COMPLETION OF THOSE, WE WILL COME BACK ON THE RECORD.
AS I SAID, WHAT TIME IS IT NOW? I, GARRETT, I GOT A QUESTION.
SO WHY DON'T WE COMMENCE AT, UH, 5 56 MINUTES? IS THAT GOOD FOR EVERYBODY? IS THAT OKAY? YES.
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OKAY.JANELLE, PAGE 2026, KAREEM KHAN, THAT IS REDUCING THE DRIVEWAY SETBACK FROM 12 FEET TO TWO FEET IN ORDER TO EXPAND THE DRIVEWAY.
AND I THINK WE HAD ASKED THEM TO PRODUCE SOME, UM, SUPPORT FOR THIS, AND THEY DID.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? AS, YOU KNOW, MY POSITION FROM THE LAST HEARING ON THIS, I THINK THINKING LIKE, I, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T GET, I DIDN'T GET THOSE.
I CHECKED MY PACKETS, SO I KNOW TO EMAILED THEM.
CAROL, DID YOU EMAIL THOSE, THOSE DECISIONS? I, I FIGURED THAT BECAUSE I, I WAS SITTING THERE.
I FIGURED IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T IN THE PACKET.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITH MY MIC.
I JUST SENT THE E AN EMAIL WITH THE
YEAH, I, I HEARD, I HEARD, HEARD.
I, I HEARD CAROL, I THINK YOU HAVE TO UNMUTE OR UNMUTE YOUR COMPUTER OR SOMETHING, BECAUSE AUDIO.
UM, HELLO? HELLO? GARY? HEY, ED? YES.
ALRIGHT, I SHOULD I, FOR, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M YELLING INTO THE PHONE AND NOTHING, NOTHING WAS HAPPENING.
I HAD TO CHECK OUT AND COME BACK IN, AND EVEN THEN IT WASN'T, YEAH, LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE BACK.
ED, ONE THING THAT CAME UP, UH, THE BOARD ASKED, UH, IF YOU COULD RECIRCULATE THE DECISION FOR, UH, I JUST, I JUST SENT TO CAROL TO YOU.
I'LL, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THE LAST TIME I, THAT SOMEHOW I GOT, I GET BACK INTO, WE'LL HAVE TO LET ME BACK.
IF, IF, IF, IF IT WAS EMAILED TO ME, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT.
MEAN, MEANWHILE, LET'S GO BACK TO CASE 2026.
ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? I, ROWAN I THINK YOU HAD, UH, EXPRESSED SOME.
YEAH, I, I WENT TO VISIT IT PROBABLY TWICE.
UM, I PASSED THERE ALL THE TIME.
AND, UM, AFTER IT WAS EXPLAINED, IT'S THE FRONT YARD, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IN LIGHT OF, UH, WHAT WE ARE FACED WITH TONIGHT, UM, I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN, WE, WE, WE, WE CANNOT APPROVE THAT.
BUT, UM, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.
AND I WAS IN FAVOR AND I WAS IN FAVOR.
SO, UM, WHO WANTS TO WRITE IT UP? HOW MANY DO WE HAVE? WE HAVE SEVERAL.
I MEAN, I CAN DO IT UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO DO ANOTHER ONE? NO.
WELL, UM,
CAROL, CAN YOU, CAN YOU EMAIL ME THE, UH, YOUR HONOR, A DECISION FORM FOR DECISION FORM? OKAY.
CHRISTIE, DO YOU HAVE ONE? I DO.
UM, I ASSUME IT'S A TYPE TWO ACTION.
I HAVE THAT, SO I HAVE A RESOLUTION.
DO WE HAVE 2022 YET, OR SHOULD WE GO ON TO THE NEXT CASE AS IT, I JUST GOT IT FROM GARRETT.
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RIGHT.SO I NEED THE DATES OF THE PLANS IF ANYONE HAS THAT HANDY.
DO I HAVE IT HERE? YOU CAN HAVE THIS EVERY SINGLE DAY, RIGHT? DON'T EVERYBODY SPEAK AT ONCE? I'M LOOKING.
NOW THERE'S A SITE PLAN THAT'S STAMPED ON IT, SEPTE, SEPTEMBER THE 10TH, 2020, ALTHOUGH IT SAYS THE DRAWING DATE WAS 2 11 20.
SO DO I GO BY 2 11 20 OR DO I GO BY SEP THE DATE WE RECEIVED IT, WHICH WAS SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2020.
ROHAN, WE EMAILED OUT THAT, UH, THAT P D F OF THE PLAN, UM, I'M SORRY TO JUST DRAFT DECISION FOR SAW MILL RIVER ROAD.
I DON'T SEE ANY CORRECTIONS THAT I WOULD RAISE, BUT I AWAIT HEARING ANY RESPONSE FROM YOU GUYS.
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E YES.I SPOKE WITH THE SECRET TO YOU, YOUR ROLE TYPE TWO.
I WAS READING AWAY AT THE TIME.
WELL, DID YOU GET IT ALSO? IT, I HAVE A COUPLE OF MINUTES.
WHAT CASE ARE YOU DISCUSSING NOW? WE, I WAS JUST GIVING EVERYONE AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ.
SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO CASE 20 27, 70 SOOMO RIVER ROAD.
SO IT SOUNDS AS THOUGH, UH, WILLIAM, YOU WANTED TO HAVE THEM PRESENT SOME TYPE OF SCHEMATIC.
WHAT, WHAT THOUGHTS DO THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE WITH RESPECT TO THAT? MY CONSIDERATION WAS ONLY JUST IN REFERENCE TO THE NEIGHBORS.
WE JUST WE'RE ABOUT TO PROVE 20 DASH 22.
THIS PROPERTY IS LITERALLY TWO OR THREE, UH, BUILDINGS DOWN FROM IT.
UM, AND IF THEY'VE AGREED TO REDUCE THE HEIGHT TO SIX FEET, I MEAN, EIGHT FOOT IS NOT CRAZY.
BUT AGAIN, ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE ABOVE THAT FENCE LINE JUST ADDS MORE, UM, MAKES IT MORE COMMERCIAL LOOKING THAN WHAT IT ALREADY IS.
AT THOROUGHFARE HEADING BACK TO THE HOUSE.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE CEMENTED RIGHT IN BETWEEN, UM, ON THAT CORNER OF JACKSON AVENUE AND ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING UP AND DOWN THAT HILL.
SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO FACILITATE THEM JUST A LITTLE BIT.
UM, BUT I DON'T WANNA CREATE AN UNDUE HARDSHIP FOR THE, THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS THAT IS THERE.
UM, AND I JUST WANNA SEE EXACTLY WHERE THOSE QUOTE UNQUOTE PILES PILE 1, 2, 3, AND I GUESS FOUR WOULD BE LOCATED, UM, JUST SO THAT THEY'RE WITHIN THE, IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY ARE ASKING OF US.
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I MADE THAT QUESTION.
WELL, THEY SAID THEY COULD, THEY SAID THEY COULD PROVIDE SOMETHING TO GIVE YOU, UH, I GUESS A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT, DEPENDING ON THE SEASON, WHAT IT WOULD BE, WHERE THEY WOULD BE.
ANYTHING ELSE ANYONE HAD ANY OTHER CONCERNS ABOUT? NO.
SO WE CAN SEND THEM A LETTER AND, UH, ASK THEM TO PRODUCE THAT SCHEMATIC, GIVING A ROUGH IDEA OF WHERE THE ITEMS THAT THEY WISH TO STORE OUT IN THE, UH, EXTERIOR WOULD BE LOCATED.
SO THIS WOULD BE ADJOURNED TO, TO JANUARY.
THE FIRST ONE ACTUALLY IS AN EXISTING DECK
I MEAN, I REALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE DECK PER SE GIVEN THE FACT THAT, UM, IT WAS THERE FOR SO MANY YEARS.
AND IT MAY BE THAT THIS PROPERTY FELL INTO A SIMILAR SITUATION AS ANOTHER ITEM.
SO THE APPLICANT DIDN'T BRING THAT UP, BUT CLEARLY IT'S BEEN A, A QUITE A FEW YEARS.
SO THE PATIO BOTHERS ME SOMEWHAT BECAUSE IT'S, NUMBER ONE, IT'S JUST PAVERS.
BUT NUMBER TWO, IT GOES RIGHT TO THE LINE.
I MEAN, WE, WE CAN'T, ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT WAY BECAUSE THIS NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR IS VERY GENEROUS WITH MOVING HER FENCE BACK INTO HER, HER, HER LOT LINE, QUITE A DISTANCE FROM THEIRS.
BUT CLEARLY THE PATIO IS RIGHT THERE.
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I I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.EVE, I, I COULD SEE LEAVING THE, UM, ACTUAL DECK.
AND ANTHONY, I JUST ACTUALLY HAVE TO ASK YOU ONE QUESTION.
IF THEY LEFT THE RETAINING WALL, COULD THAT REMAIN AND THEN THEY LIFT THE PAVERS OUT? YES, THE RETAINING WALL COULD REMAIN MM-HMM.
SO THEN TO ME, REMOVING WHATEVER THE FOOTAGE IS OF, TO BRING IT BACK INTO SOME BETTER COMPLIANCE, UM, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WERE SAYING IN TERMS OF THE WATER RUNOFF.
UM, TO ME THAT'S NOT, OTHER THAN DISPOSAL OF THE PAVERS, THAT'S NOT AS GREAT.
UM, A HARDSHIP AS HAVING TO REMOVE THE DECK AND THEN POSSIBLY, UM, BUILD ANOTHER ONE.
I MEAN, THE REALITY IS THEY HAVE A REALLY GENEROUS DECK.
SO CAROL, WE'LL SEND THEM A LETTER ASKING THEM, UH, TO EITHER PUT IT IN, PUT THE, THE PATIO IN COMPLIANCE, OR PRESENT SOMETHING AS AN ALTERNATIVE, UM, OTHER THAN WHAT IS THERE NOW THAT WE MIGHT APPROVE OR CONSIDER TO APPROVE.
LOU, DO YOU WANNA COMMENT ON THAT AT ALL? UH, I, I, IT HURTS MY HEART, BUT I'M IN AGREEMENT.
WHY DOES IT HURT YOUR HEART, LOU? BECAUSE IT'S VERY ATTRACTIVE.
IT'S, IT'S RIGHT ON THE RECORD LINE THOUGH.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, AFTER SEEING THIS, THE, THE, THE, THE ONE AT THE ONE THAT I HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE LAST TIME, I DON'T SEE HOW I COULD NOT VOTE FOR THAT ONE IF WE'RE GONNA APPROVE THIS ONE.
AND, AND SOME OF THE OTHERS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE HAVE TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE WOULDN'T RAN IF IT CAME IN BEFORE US.
THERE'S REALLY NO REASON FOR IT OTHER THAN HAVING SOME RUNOFF.
THAT'S NOT A REASON TO, REGARDLESS OF HOW LONG IT'S BEEN THERE ALSO.
YOU KNOW, SO, AND THEN WITH THIS, IT'S ALREADY SOLD, SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE GRASS THERE NOW.
SO WHAT? YEAH, WE, WE DID THAT, WE DID THAT ON A COUPLE OF THE PLACES IN EDGEMONT TOO.
WE HAD THEM CUT SOME OF THESE, UH, PATIOS BACK.
THEY KIND OF FILLED UP, YOU KNOW, THE YARD? YES.
THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE, WE'VE DONE PREVIOUSLY EXCEPT FOR THAT PRETTY ONE, UM, ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO OR SO, WHEN, WHENEVER IT WAS BEFORE US.
THAT WAS PRETTY WELL, THEY, THEY, THEY DID REMOVE SOMETHING.
THEY DID SOMETHING TO GIVE US A LITTLE, I THINK, TO THE SIDE, IN THE FRONT TO THE SIDE.
WHAT WERE YOU GONNA SAY, LOU? I FEEL LIKE THE CHRISTMAS GRINCH, BUT
YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA DO WHAT YOU GOTTA DO.
I WAS THINKING THAT EARLIER TOO.
I SAID, GEEZ, THIS IS BAD TO BE RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS.
THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA SPLIT SOME OF THAT MONEY IN ESCROW AND, AND MOVE ON, AND THEY'LL BE QUITE FINE.
THEY'RE GONNA, THEY, THEY'LL TAKE THE MONEY FOR GETTING GRASS THERE.
MONEY SITTING THERE, JUST WAIT, WAITING TO FIX THE PROBLEM.
SO IF IT HELPS YOU, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL BE ALL RIGHT.
OH, I, I, LIKE I SAID, I JUST FEEL BAD, BUT, UM, I'M IN AGREEMENT BECAUSE A, A LAWN THERE AS OPPOSED TO BRICK PAVERS IS JUST AS BEAUTIFUL.
EXCEPT MEANS SOMEBODY HAS BUT COMES SOMEBODY TO CUT THE GRASS THOUGH.
LOU, THE NEXT CASE THAT COMES IN AND THEY TELL US, WELL, THEY'RE GONNA PULL THIS ONE AND SAY, YOU WENT RIGHT TO THE RECORD LINE ON THIS ONE HERE.
HOW DO WE DENY THAT ONE? AND THAT'S THE ISSUE, YOU KNOW.
LET'S SEE WHAT THE OTHER ONES I COMING UP AND, AND SEE.
ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S GO TO MR. UCCI, WHO'S GONNA COOK US ALL DINNER.
YOU AGREE FOR THE DINNER OR YOU AGREE FOR THE PROPOSAL? UH, BOTH.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF THIS DECK? NALU OR THE DECK? UH, I JUST THINK IT WAS 24 FEET BY 16 FEET.
AND THE OTHER ONE THERE WAS 14.
AND EVE'S TRYING TO GET IT DOWN TO 13.
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THE WIDTH WOULD BE? I MEAN, THE DEPTH OF THE DECK.THE WIDTH, THEY CAN MAKE IT MUCH LONGER, OBVIOUSLY.
THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE ENTIRE HOUSE, AS YOU SAID.
I MEAN, IF YOU, AND YOU KNOW, THE REALITY IS, I, I LISTEN TO WHAT THEIR REASONING IS FOR WHY THEY WANNA DO SOMETHING.
AND THIS, IT WAS SAID, IT'S A PLAY YARD NOW, AND THEY WANNA MAKE THE DECK SOMETHING THAT CHILDREN CAN PLAY ON, WHICH I GET
BUT IF IT'S MORE SOMETHING FOR ME, ADULTS HAD CHILDREN MYSELF HAVING TO PLAY ON THE LONGER THE DECK SO THAT THEY CAN RIDE THOSE TRIS AND DO THOSE THINGS, THE MORE FUN.
IT'S NOT ABOUT SITTING AND HAVING DINNER NECESSARILY.
ALTHOUGH A 14, UH, YOU KNOW, WIDTH OF A DECK WOULD CERTAINLY ALLOW IT.
I THINK MY SON'S DECK, UH, IS PROBABLY 11 FEET AND HE'S GOT THE, OR 12 FEET.
HE IS GOT THE TABLE AND BIG CHAIRS AND EVERYTHING, AND THE UMBRELLA.
AND, YOU KNOW, I CONSIDER IT A SMALL DECK, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF FUN ON IT.
SO I'M, AND THAT'S MY FEELING.
UM, I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE I AM.
THE FACT THAT INHERITED THIS, THIS, THESE RAILROAD TIES IN A CERTAIN PLACE, HE MADE AN ASSUMPTION THAT THAT'S WHAT HE SHOULD BUILD ON.
HE DOESN'T HAVE TO BUILD ON THOSE RAILROAD TIES.
AND BUILD WHEREVER HE WANTS AS LONG AS HE IS WITHIN, YOU KNOW.
SO THEN IF HE REDUCES THE DEPTH TO 14 FEET, HE WOULD THEN BE WITHIN THE, UM, THE ZONING ORDINANCE? I DON'T THINK SO.
SO HE WOULD STILL NEED A VARIANCE.
YOU'RE JUST REDUCING THE, THE AMOUNT OF THE VARIANCE.
THAT'S A TRULY SPEAKING, WHAT THE BOARD DOES IN THIS SITUATION IS YOU, YOU WRITE A LETTER TO THE APPLICANT SAYING, WE REQUEST THAT YOU CONSIDER REDUCING THE VARIANCE.
THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THAT.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, IT DIDN'T SOUND LIKE HE HAD EVER SPOKEN TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND WHY, WHY? AND, AND, UM, I THINK WHAT YOU PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE DONE WAS JUST REFERRED HIM TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO, TO EXPLAIN THAT HE HAS TO UNDERSTAND, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK, EVE, YOU MAY HAVE MISSPOKE WHEN YOU SAID, UH, WE CAN TELL YOU WHAT YOU, WHERE YOU CAN BUILD, IT'S WHERE YOU CAN'T BUILD.
THE ZONING BOARD TELL YOU WHERE YOU CAN'T BUILD NUMBER ONE.
AND NUMBER TWO, I THINK IF IT WOULD BE MORE, UM, UNDERSTANDABLE IF YOU REFER TO THE SETBACK AS A BUFFER, BECAUSE THAT MAKES CLEAR THAT YOU CAN'T BUILD IN THAT THE SETBACK IS A BUFFER AND YOU CAN'T BUILD IN A BUFFER UNLESS YOU GET A VARIANCE.
UH, SO I THINK YOU PROBABLY SHOULD REFER HIM TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, AND SO THEY CAN EXPLAIN THIS TO HIM, AND MAYBE THEY, HE, HE, HE WILLING, AFTER THEY EXPLAIN IT TO HIM, TO REDUCE IT EITHER TO ZERO THE VARIANCE WHEN HE UNDERSTANDS THAT HE IS ENCROACHING ON SOMETHING, UM, I HOPE HE DOESN'T REDUCE IT TO ZERO ANYTHING
NO, I'M NOT SAYING I'M, OR REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF THE, OF THE VARIANCE, THE SIZE OF THE VARIANCE.
OR, OR, YOU KNOW, HE CAN RECONSTRUCT THE WHOLE DESIGN OF THE DECK.
HE JUST WAS TRYING TO FIT IT ON TOP OF THIS, YOU KNOW, EXISTING SPACE.
NO, I'LL CALL HIM, I'LL CALL THE, THE PROBLEM HERE IS THAT HE JUST WENT AHEAD ON HIS OWN AND THEN HE, HE RELIED ON YOU AND HE WAS GETTING YOU COLLECTIVELY, AND HE WAS GETTING DIFFERENT VERSIONS FROM EACH ONE OF YOU, IT SEEMS, WHICH WAS VERY CONFUSING AS TO WHAT HE WAS ENCROACHING ON AND WHAT HE HAD TO, WHAT HIS RIGHTS WERE AND, AND ALL THAT.
YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
AND I, I PICKED UP ON THAT AS
BUT
BUT, UM, AND LOU WAS GOOD TO TELL HIM, YOU KNOW, HOLD YOUR GROUNDS.
SO NOW, AND, AND A GREAT, GREAT SUGGESTION AND, AND IT'LL WORK OUT FOR HIM NEXT TIME.
SO YOU NEVER KNOW, UM, WE MIGHT BE GIVING HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A RELATIVELY SIMPLE RECTANGULAR DECK AND BRING IT CLOSER TO THE HOUSE, BUT COME UP WITH SOMETHING MORE LIKE, UH, EMILIO'S DECKS.
THOSE ARE SOMETHING FANTASTIC DECKS.
BOY, I'M TELLING YOU THAT IS A DECK, BUT WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE TALKING DECKS.
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THOSE ARE DECKS, BOY WITH A CAPITAL D.UH, SO THE ONLY THING I SEE IS THAT HE, UM, MR. UCCI ALREADY HAS PLANS BROUGHT UP, BUT, AND, AND BY THE WAY, YOU CAN SAY TO HIM OR WHOEVER IS SPEAKING, GOING TO SPEAK TO HIM, CAN SAY TO HIM, LOOK, YOUR KIDS CAN PLAY AND YOU CAN HAVE LAWN ALL THE WAY UP TO YOUR PROPERTY LINE.
'CAUSE HE'LL REALIZE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE, UH, A LONG ONE ALSO.
I THINK IT GOES OUT EITHER 12, 13 OR 14.
I WAS GONNA GO MEASURE IT, BUT THE SNOW IS OUT THERE.
AND I, AND I REMEMBER SPENDING A LOT OF TIME BACK THERE WITH, UH, BASEBALL, SOCCER, BASKETBALL.
YOU NEED FOR THE DECK TO, TO WORK ON THE DRIBBLING.
SO, UH, BUT YOU'RE GONNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THE LAWN.
HE, LET'S KEEP IN MIND HIS LINE.
LET'S KEEP IN MIND, HIS CHILDREN ARE, I THINK LIKE TWO AND A HALF YEARS OLD IN SEVEN MONTHS.
SO HE'S GOT SOME, HE'S GOT SOME TIME.
BEFORE HE'S OUT THERE PLAYING BALL AND BASKETBALL AND THROWING BASEBALL.
AS SOON AS, AS SOON AS, AS SOON AS THEY CAN WALK, HE'S GONNA HAVE THEM FROM WHAT I, I GATHER WITH HIM.
HE'S GONNA HAVE THEM OUT THERE.
IF THEY CAN RUN, THEY'RE GONNA BE ON THE GRASSROOTS.
OH, HE IS GONNA BE OUT THERE
MOVING RIGHT ON TO THE NEXT CASE OF THE EVENING.
MAN, LET US HAVE SOME FUN, MAN.
THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT WAS SOLD THE DECK.
SO IT'S ANOTHER, THIS IS THE DECK, RIGHT? LOU? THE DECK OF DECKS? YES.
I GRANT, I DON'T, I DON'T EVEN HESITATE.
I GRANT, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS EITHER.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT HE'S, WHAT HE'S GOING TO BE REPAIRING.
IF THEY ALREADY SOLD THE DECK, WHY IS HE DOING MORE WORK ON IT? AND IF HE'S DOING WORK ON IT, THEN HE COULD CUT IT BACK.
NO, ED, HE SAID, HE SAID THAT HE WOULD REVIEW IT AND IF THERE WAS ANY NEEDS FOR ANY REPAIRS SUBMITTED WHEN HE SUBMITTED THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS OF THE DECK, HE DIDN'T SAY HE WAS MAKING ANY CHANGES.
THIS ONE SEEMED LIKE, YOU KNOW, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS A MISTAKE TO ME.
WHO KNOWS? OH, THIS IS A SOLAR PANEL.
OH, YOU MOVED ON ALREADY? YEAH.
OH, WAIT, I NEED, WE'RE GONNA NEED SOMEBODY TO WRITE UP THE, I I I'LL WRITE THIS ONE.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT REAR PROPERTY DON'T BELONG TO THEM.
WHERE THE PLAYGROUND SET IS, OR ANY OF THE FENCES WHERE, WHAT'S THAT? WHAT'S THAT? WILL? YEAH, FOR THE, FOR HIDDEN GLEN.
I MEAN, ONCE, ONCE THE YELLOW DRAWING WENT UP AND SHOWED THE BOUNDARIES, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.
I MEAN, I'M, LISTEN, I'M NOT GONNA SAY NO, I'M JUST SAYING IT WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE FENCING IS, THAT IS CLEARLY ON ANO.
I DON'T WANNA BRING UP THE ADVERSE LAWS, BUT THEY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWING IN THE FENCE THAT'S IN THE BACK OF THE YARD AND WHAT WAS PLACED ON THE SCREEN, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT.
WHICH, WHICH, WHICH, WHICH, WHICH, WHO ARE TALKING ABOUT? WHICH CASE NUMBER ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WILL, ARE WE ON, ARE WE ON 2030? NO.
WE'RE, YEAH, WE ARE, WE'RE ON 2030, BUT I THOUGHT WE, WHAT? WHAT? NO, NO, GO WITH IT.
NO, TELL ME, TELL ME WHAT YOU'RE THINKING.
DID WHEN GARRETT PUT UP THE, THE, THE, THE IMAGE OF THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY, WHICH WAS IN YELLOW, THE SCHEMATIC OR THE PICTURES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH THE FENCE AND THAT SQUARED OFF AREA BEHIND THOSE DECKS, THAT WAS ALMOST A, A THIRD ON ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY.
YOU MEAN THE CHAIN LINK FENCE THAT'S ON THE GOLF CLUB.
IS IT THE, THAT'S NOT BEFORE THE BOARD, WILLIAM? YES.
BUT WHOSE FENCE IS IT? IT COULD BE THE, I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S NOT, IT COULD BE THE GOLF COURSE'S FENCE.
I GOTTA ADMIT I MISSED THAT WHEN IT CAME AROUND THE FIRST TIME.
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THERE WE GO.OKAY, NOW LOOK AT THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.
YOU SEE THE PLAYGROUND SET, RIGHT? WHERE 38 POINT 11 IS? I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS A PLAYGROUND SET.
AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE CHAIN LINK FENCE, THE CHAIN LINK FENCE DROPS WELL, BEHIND THE YELLOW LINE AND THEN CUTS ACROSS.
YEAH, IT'S ON THE GOLF, IT'S ON ST.
PROPERTY GOLF COURSE, BUT IT'S ON THE GOLF COURSE.
THEY'RE BIG, THEY'RE BIG BOYS.
SO, WILLIAM, WE'LL HAVE YOU CONTACT THE GOLF COURSE? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
THIS MAY BE BEFORE ADVERSE POSSESSION AT THIS POINT.
JUST BEFORE, BEFORE, JUST BEFORE CHRISTMAS, WE'LL HAVE
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
UM, ONTO OUR, UM, AND I, I, I SCREWED UP, I, I FORGOT TO NOTE THE FACT THAT THERE MAY HAVE SOLAR PANELS OVER THE SETBACK LINE, BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT.
I THOUGHT SOLAR PANELS WAS 2031.
EVE, THE, THE SOLAR PANELS ARE NOT OVER THE, UH, REQUIRED SETBACK.
'CAUSE IT'S AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, AND THEY HAVE AN 18 FOOT SETBACK.
AH, THAT'S GREAT THAT SEAN IS FOR THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING.
THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE, ANTHONY.
AND I WAS WONDERING, UM, THE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE FOR ED THOUGH, IS CAN WE CONDITION THIS ON THE FACT THAT WHEN THAT PROPERTY IS SOLD AFTER ITS SUBDIVISION, THAT THOSE PANELS WOULD NOT REMAIN THERE, OR THEY WOULD SOMEHOW BE ILLEGALIZED TO THE HOUSE THAT IS BEING YEAH.
THERE, WHAT YOU'D HAVE DO IS GET TO THE, UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 2031 NOW, RIGHT? RIGHT.
NO, WHAT, UH, IN ESSENCE, WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS A TEMPORARY VARIANCE.
UH, SO THAT IT, I THINK THE WAY YOU WOULD, UH, CONDITION IT WOULD BE TO SAY THAT ON SALE OF THE PROPERTY, THE EITHER THE PANELS SHALL BE REMOVED OR MOVED ONTO THE, UH, THE OTHER LOT, OR, YOU KNOW, TECHNICALLY WHAT'S CONFUSING ABOUT THIS IS THAT THIS IS A SUBDIVISION.
THE E A F IN SUPPORT OF THE SUBDIVISION SAID IT WAS TO BUILD A SECOND HOUSE.
THEY'RE NOT INTENDING TO DO NOW.
SO HAD THEY BUILT THE SECOND HOUSE, THEN THIS VARIANCE WOULDN'T BE NECESSARY, RIGHT.
BECAUSE IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO THE NEW HOUSE.
SO I THINK WHAT YOU'VE GOT, YOU CONDITION IT IS, UH, IT, UH, IT'S TEMPORARY, AND IT SHALL THE, UH, THE, UH, VARIANCE SHALL CEASE, UH, UPON SALE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND I'LL FIX IT UP, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES ACROSS MY DESK.
SPEAKING OF WHICH, ARE WE, YEAH.
ARE WE, ARE WE GOING TO READ, UH, FINDINGS TONIGHT OR ARE WE GOING TO GO HOME? WE CAN GO HOME.
WHAT ABOUT IF THERE'S ANOTHER CASE? I DIDN'T GET TO THE END YET.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, LET, LET'S JUST DO THE FINDINGS, LET YOU KNOW.
AND WE DON'T HAVE TO RUSH TO WRITE THEM.
I'M SITTING HERE IN THIS COLD OFFICE.
UH, SO YOU ARE GRANTING 20 DASH THREE WITH A CONDITION YES.
AND WHO'S DOING IT? I'LL WRITE IT.
BUT WE'RE TURNING IT, WE'RE TURNING IT A TEMPORARY VARIANCE AS TEMPORARY VARIANCE SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
SO WE'RE NOT WRITING THE FINDINGS.
THOUGHT ED WAS GONNA WRITE THEM.
WELL, HE'S GOING TO, HE'S GOING TO CLASS IT UP FOR US, BUT WE HAVE TO PUT SOMETHING IN WE KNOW WE ARE RELYING UPON, RIGHT? YES.
WE ARE, WE ARE DISTINGUISHING WHY WE MADE THE DECISIONS WE MADE.
MOVING ON TO CAROLYN JONES, WHO DID AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION ON HER OWN BEHALF.
AS TO WHY SHE NEEDED THE PORTICO.
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FOR HER.UH, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WE SHOULD ASK EMILIO, WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE CONTRACTOR OR ARCHITECT WHO BUILT ALL THOSE HOMES? I GUESS IT WASN'T LEVITT, HUH? I MEAN, THERE'S SO MANY OF THESE COOKIE CUTTER HOMES ALL OVER GREENBURG.
AND THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME ON THE INSIDE.
OKAY, SO WHO WANTS TO WRITE WRITE CAROLYN JONES? UM, I COULD WRITE IT UP.
IF I COULD PRINT THIS FORM THAT CAROL JUST SENT ME, HAVING A DEVIL OF A TIME PRINTING IT.
UH, WILLIE, YOU WANNA WRITE IT UP? WRITE IT UP.
I'LL WRITE IT UP AT A PLUS OR MINUS AS TO WHICH WAY I WAS GONNA GO.
I WANNA SEE WHAT YOU ALL WERE GONNA SAY.
SO WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? NO, NO.
I, I COULDN'T DO THE MATH ON THIS ONE.
BUT I'LL FIG I'LL FIGURE IT OUT BECAUSE I, THE, TO ME, THE SETBACK 18 FROM 30 TO 18, THAT MEANS THAT'S OVER A 12 FOOT LONG PORTICO, WHICH DOESN'T SEEM FROM THE DRAWINGS THAT IT'S THAT LONG.
WELL, THAT COULD BE, I WOULD ASK ANTHONY, BUT THAT COULD BE BECAUSE THE UNCOVERED STEPS MAY NOT, YOU'VE GOT THE LANDING BEFORE YOU GET TO THE STEPS.
BUT I THINK IT'S COVERING THE ENTIRE STEPS.
IT'S NOT LIKE JUST OVER THE PORCH AREA.
ONCE YOU GET UP THE STEPS, I THINK IT COVERS ALL THE WAY TO THE BOTTOM OF THE STEP.
BECAUSE THEY WANT THE STEPS NOT TO ICE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND DON'T FORGET THE, THE POINT THAT THE ARCHITECT BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE FACT THAT AT THE TIME THE HOUSE WAS BUILT, THE ZONING, UH, CODE WAS DIFFERENT AND WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN, UH, BEAUTIFUL.
WELL, THE HOUSE, THE FACT THAT THE HOUSE ITSELF IS NON-CONFORMING DOESN'T REALLY IMPACT THE LEGALITY OF THE PORTICO, WHICH IS BEING DONE NOW.
NO, BUT IT WOULD, IT WOULD'VE MADE IT EASIER, I ASSUME, TO GET IT APPROVED THEN.
IT, IT WOULD'VE BEEN LESS OF A VARIANCE, BUT THIS STILL WOULD'VE REQUIRED A VARIANCE.
LET ME GO GET MY FORM AND FILL IT OUT AND WORK ON IT.
WHAT WAS THAT LANGUAGE AGAIN? NOT THAT IT'S NON-CONFORMING.
WHAT? WELL, NO, THAT, THAT GOES AGAINST THE GRANTING, SO I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T MENTION IT GOOD ENOUGH.
AND AND THEY'RE MERELY COVERING UP, COVERING UP WHY THERE ALREADY EXISTS.
DID YOU, WERE YOU AWARE OF THE FACT THAT IT WAS LEGAL? THE HOUSE ITSELF WAS LEGAL WHEN IT WAS BUILT? I WAS AWARE THAT THERE WAS, UH, THAT THE ZONE, THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE ZONING, BUT IT STILL WOULD'VE MANDATED A VARIANCE.
SO INSTEAD OF FROM A 30 FOOT REQUIRED, IT WOULD'VE BEEN A 25 FOOT REQUIRED.
I WAS AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THE ZONE CHANGED.
NO, THE ONLY REASON WHY I BRING IT UP IS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S AN INCREASE IN THE NON-CONFORMITY, SINCE IT WAS NON-CONFORMING.
BUT IT, WE LEAVE IT AS IT NO LEAVE.
LEAVE IT AS IT IS, ED, IT'S, IT'S FINE.
IS ANYBODY ELSE HAVING PRINTING PROBLEMS? I HAVE TWO DIFFERENT COMPUTERS AND I'M HAVING IF HE RIGHT THIS DIFFERENT PROBLEM R
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KEY? I THINK SO.ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS OKAY WITH ME? DO YOU NEED ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS? I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
ALL RIGHT, THEN I WANNA WISH EVERYONE A HAPPY, HEALTHY HOLIDAY SEASON TO YOU AND ALL YOUR FAMILIES.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU AROUND THE, ARE YOU AROUND THE TOWN HALL NEXT WEEK? WEEK? I'M GONNA BE ON VACATION TILL, UH, THE NEW YEAR.
I GUESS I'LL HAVE, I GUESS I'LL HAVE TO BRING YOU A GIFT AFTER THE NEW YEAR THEN.
LISTEN, I DRIVE BY YOUR OFFICE ALL THE TIME,
I, I'LL, WE'RE TALKING THAT SPECIAL POUND CAKE
I, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA MAKE ONE FOR EVERYBODY.
SO I JUST WANTED, I CAN'T DO IT BEFORE THE WEEKEND THOUGH, SO I JUST WONDERED IF YOU WERE AROUND NEXT WEEK OR NOT.
AND I'LL, I'LL DELIVER THEM IF YOU'RE AROUND.
IF YOU'RE NOT AROUND THEM, YOU'LL HAVE TO LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU WANT IT.
UH, MADAM CHAIR, I PUT MY ADDRESS IN THE CHAT FUNCTION OF THE ZOOM
AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, BECAUSE FOR SOME REASON, AND I THINK IT MUST HAVE TO DO WITH THE PANDEMIC THIS YEAR, I'VE ASKED PEOPLE, DO YOU WANT JUST A PLAIN POUND CAKE OR DO YOU WANT RUM CAKE,
WHAT, WHAT WAS THE POUND CAKE THAT WE NORMALLY HAD? EVE? IT'S WITHOUT THE RUM.
IT WAS WITH WITHOUT THE RUM, RIGHT? YEP.
WELL, I THOUGHT THAT CAKE WAS PERFECT.
IT IS, BUT IF YOU WANT IT, I'LL, YOU KNOW, LET ME KNOW.
I NEED, YEAH, I'LL NEED EVERYBODY'S ADDRESS AND I'LL DROP 'EM OFF.
A GREAT DAY TO YOU, ANTHONY, HAVE HAVE A WONDERFUL CHRISTMAS, CHRISTMAS VACATION.
ALL OF YOU ALSO STAY WELL, FAMILY.
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VACATION.14 FEET AND 24 FEET REQUIRED FOR A 10%.
I BELIEVE A FEW APPLICANTS ARE ON, UH, THE D P A IS JUST FINISHING UP THEIR DECISIONS AND PRETTY SOON JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THEY WILL GO INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE MEETING WHERE THE DECISIONS WILL BE RENDERED.
SO JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND, UH, BEGINNING TO THAT POINT SOON.
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HMM.ON THE VARIANCE WITH THIS SOLAR THING, THIS TEMPORARY VARIANCE, IT'S REALLY NOT A QUESTION OF SUBSTANTIAL, IS IT? IT'S A QUESTION OF NON-COMPLIANCE.
BECAUSE THERE'S, IT'S NOT A DIMENSIONAL, RIGHT? IT'S NOT A DIMENSIONAL VARIANCE.
SO SUBSTANTIALITY IS, UH, WELL, TECHNICALLY IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT PERMITTED.
SO IT'S SUBSTANTIAL IN THAT IT'S NOT, NOT PERMITTED BY ANY MEANS.
WHAT ARE WE WAITING ON? LOU IS, LOU IS NOT IN THE PICTURE.
WHERE'D HE GO? I, I'M ALL, I'M ALL SET.
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OKAY.LOU, ARE YOU THERE WITH US? READY? NOT READY.
SO GARRETT, I GUESS WE'RE READY? YEAH, I THINK WE'RE ALL SET.
I SEE DEBBIE, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE ALL, YOU'RE ALL SET TO GO.
UH, LET'S JUST WAIT UNTIL DEBBIE GIVES THE THUMBS UP.
AND WE'VE BEEN ROLLING LIVE, SO, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
WE HAVE, UH, COMPLETED OUR DELIBERATIONS FOR, UH, TODAY AND WE ARE PREPARED TO RENDER THE DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE MADE OR NOT MADE TODAY, AND THEREFORE THE CASE 2022 SAWMILL RIVER STONE AND MASONRY SUPPLY.
AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG, WHERE DID I PUT THEM? HAD 'EM A MINUTE AGO.
SEE, THINGS JUST MOVE AROUND HERE.
AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG Z B A HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE-REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO SECRET COMPLIANCE, AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG PLANNING BOARD AS LEAD AGENCY CONDUCTED A COORDINATED REVIEW AND DETERMINED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE ONE ACTION.
AND WHEREAS THE TOWN BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT PROPOSED ACTION WILL NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND ISSUED A NEGATIVE DECLARATION ON OCTOBER 21ST, 2020.
I WILL NOT, UH, WHERE AM I? WHERE'S MY MOTION? HERE WE GO.
WHERE DID MY MOTION GO? I'M HAVING A HARD TIME HERE.
I'LL JUST READ IT OFF THE SCREEN.
THE PRINTER STOPPED WORKING ON MY COMPUTER, THEN I HAD TO REBOOT ANOTHER COMPUTER.
I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE 2022 BE GRANTED PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT OBTAINED ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILED SAME WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
THAT CONSTRUCTION BEGAN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT AND PROCEED DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER.
AND CONFORMITY WITH THE PLANS DATE STAMP SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2020 SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION APPLICATION ARE AS SUCH OTHER PLANS MAY BE HEREAFTER MODIFIED BY ANOTHER PROVING BOARD OR AGENCY OR OFFICER OF THE TOWN.
PROVIDED THAT SUCH MODIFICATION DOES NOT REQUIRE A DIFFERENT OR GREATER VARIANCE THAN WHAT WE ARE GRANTING HEREIN.
THE VARIANCE GRANTED HEREIN IS FOR THE IMPROVEMENT SET FORTH ON THE APPLICATION, ANY FUTURE CONSTRUCTION OR MODIFICATIONS MUST COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, EVEN IF THEY ARE CON, EVEN IF THEY ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE SETBACKS AND OTHER APPROVALS.
GRANTED HEREIN, EFFORTS SHOULD BE TAKEN TO MAKE TRAFFIC FLOW IN THE SITE ONE WAY TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICABLE AND AS SUGGESTED BY THE APPLICANT'S TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, RIGHT TURNS OUT OF THE SOUTHERN DRIVEWAY ARE PROHIBITED.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'M SORRY, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
WITH RESPECT TO THE FINDINGS AND GIVEN THE STORM CONDITIONS AND LATENESS OF THE TIME NOW AND THE EXTENT OF THE FINDINGS, I AM GOING TO NOT READ THEM.
HOWEVER THEY WILL BE IN THE RECORD AND THEY WILL BE AVAILABLE AND AVAILABLE TO ANYONE WHO WISHES TO HAVE THEM AND CAN GET THEM FROM OUR SECRETARY, MS. WALKER.
AND MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT CASE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA CASE 2026 KAREEM ZA AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG Z B A HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE-REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO C A COMPLIANCE AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG Z B A HAS DETERMINED THE APPLICATION WILL NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRING NO FURTHER SECRET CONSIDERATION.
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I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE NUMBER 2026 BE GRANTED PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT WILL OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILE SAME WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THAT CONSTRUCTION BEGIN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT AND PROCEED DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER IN CONFORMITY WITH THE PLANS DATED FEBRUARY 12TH, 2020 AND RECEIVED OCTOBER 16TH, 2020 SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION, THE VARIANCES BEING GRANTED ARE FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THE PLANS SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.ONLY ANY FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK, OR OTHER VARIANCES WE HAVE APPROVED HEREIN.
AND AGAIN, UM, WE WILL WAIVE A READING OF THE FINDINGS AND HOWEVER THOSE WILL BE AVAILABLE AND IN THE RECORD FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS THEM AND CAN ALSO CONTACT OUR SECRETARY.
THE NEXT CASE WE HAVE TONIGHT IS CASE 20 27 70 SOL RIVER ROAD, L L C PROPERTY AT SEVEN 70 SOL RIVER ROAD, HASTINGS ON HUDSON.
AND THAT IS BEING ADJOURNED FOR ALL PURPOSES TO THE MEETING OF JANUARY THE 21ST, 2021 AND THE NEXT CASE IS CASE 2028.
JEFFREY STREIS SPELL PROPERTY AT SEVEN ANDOVER ROAD AND THAT MATTER ALSO IS BEING ADJOURNED TO JANUARY 21ST, 2021 AND FOR ALL PURPOSES.
AND THE NEXT CASE WE HAVE IS CASE 2029.
ERIC MARUCCI PROPERTY AT 33 FOREST BOULEVARD LEY.
AND THAT MATTER IS ALSO BEING ADJOURNED FOR ALL PURPOSES TO JANUARY 20, 20.
AND THE NEXT CASE ON OUR AGENDA IS CASE 2030 IRA LAPEL PROPERTY AT 31 HIDDEN GLEN ROAD AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG Z B A HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE-REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO C A COMPLIANCE AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG Z B A HAS DETERMINED THE APPLICATION WILL NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRING NO FURTHER SECRET CONSIDERATION.
AND DO I HAVE A MOTION
I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE NUMBER 2030 BE GRANTED PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT OBTAINED ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILE SAME WITH THE BILLING DEPARTMENT.
THAT CONSTRUCTION BEGIN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OFF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BILLING PERMIT AND PROCEED DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER IN CONFORMITY WITH THE PLANS DATED SEPTEMBER 28TH, 2020 AND DATE STAMPED BY THE Z B A NOVEMBER 18TH, 2020 UH, SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION, THE VARIANCE BEING GRANTED ARE FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THE PLAN SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION ONLY IN A FUTURE ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE OR ZONING ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT SETBACK OF OTHER VARIANCES THAT WE HAVE APPROVED HEREIN.
AND AGAIN, WE WILL HAVE, UH, WE WILL WAIVE A READING OF THE FINDINGS THIS EVENING, HOWEVER, THEY WILL BE INSERTED IN THE RECORD AND AVAILABLE TO ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SEE THEM BY CONTACTING THE SECRETARY.
AND THE NEXT CASE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS CASE 2031.
AND WHEREAS, AND THAT IS FRA UH, FRANCINE LUCAS AND MARK MICHELLE LUCCI, THAT'S PROPERTY AT 1 35 O ARMY ROAD AND WHEREAS THE GREENBURG Z B A HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE-REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO SECRET COMPLIANCE AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG Z B A HAS DETERMINED THE APPLICATION WILL NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRING NO FURTHER SECRET CONSIDERATION.
UH, I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE NUMBER 2031 BE GRANTED PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT WILL PROVIDE ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILE, SAME
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WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THAT CONSTRUCTION BEGIN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT AND PROCEED DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER IN CONFORMITY WITH THE PLANS DATE STAMPED NOVEMBER 19TH, 2020.SUBMITTED IN REPORT OF THIS APPLICATION, THE TEMPORARY VARIANCE BEING GRANTED IS FOR THE IMPROVEMENT SHOWN ON THE PLAN SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
ONLY ANY FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING CODE ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCE EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK, OR OTHER VARIANCES WE HAVE APPROVED HEREIN FURTHER.
SECOND FURTHER THAT THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS SHALL BE MET.
THE VARIANCE SHALL CEASE ON SALE OF THE PROPERTY UPON WHICH THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS LOCATED AND SHALL BE REMOVED OR OTHERWISE LEGALLY RELOCATED AHEAD.
AND AGAIN, WE WILL WAIVE THE READING OF THE FINDINGS AND MOVE ON HOWEVER THE FINDINGS WILL BE AVAILABLE.
AND OUR LAST CASE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS CASE 2032.
CAROLYN JONES PROPERTY AT 53 RIVERVIEW AVENUE HARTLEY.
AND WHEREAS THE GREENBURG Z B A HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE-REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO SECRET COMPLIANCE AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG Z B A HAS DETERMINED THE APPLICATION WILL NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRING NO FURTHER SECRET CONSIDERATION TO HAVE A SECOND.
I MOVE THAT APPLICATION IN CASE NUMBER 20 DASH 32 BE GRANTED PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT WILL OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILE THE SAME WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
THAT CONSTRUCTION SHALL BEGIN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT AND PROCEED DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER.
IN CONFORMITY WITH THE PLANS DATED NOVEMBER 30TH, 2020 SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION, THE VARIANCES, THE VARIANCES BEING GRANTED ARE FOR THE IMPROVEMENT SHOWN ON THE PLAN SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION ONLY.
ANY FURTHER OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONE ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK, OR OTHER VARIANCES WE HAVE APPROVED HEREIN.
AND AGAIN, WE WILL WAIVE A READING OF THE FINDINGS THIS EVENING, HOWEVER THERE WILL BE IN THE RECORD AND AVAILABLE THROUGH OUR SECRETARY.
AND WITH THAT, IT APPEARS THAT WE HAVE CLOSED OUT ANOTHER YEAR.
I I REALLY WANNA BRING SOMETHING OVER TO TOWN HALL SO YOU GUYS CAN SHARE IN IT.
ALL RIGHT, EVERYONE HAVE A HAPPY HOLIDAY AND UM, BYE EVERYONE.
AT LEAST I, I DON'T FEEL I'M IN THE SAME BOAT.