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          GOOD EVENING 
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EVERYBODY. 
          UH, WELCOME TARA GREENBERG TOWN BOARD, UH, WORK SESSION. 
          IT'S, UH, JANUARY 19TH, 2021, AND IT'S, UM, ABOUT 6:15 PM WE'RE GONNA START THE MEETING. 
          WE'RE GONNA EXECUTIVE SESSION, AND, UH, WE'RE INTERVIEWING SOMEBODY FOR THE HUMAN RIGHTS, UM, COMMITTEE. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE GO INTO A VERY QUICK EXECUTIVE, UM, SESSION. 
          ANYONE LIKE TO SECOND? I DON'T BELIEVE SHE, I'M SORRY. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE SHE'S HERE YET. 
          UM, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          UH UH. 
          SO, UM, UH, THERE WAS A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING NATIONAL GUN VIOLENCE SURVIVOR WEEK. 
          IT WAS A REQUEST. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE SAID BEFORE THE MEETING, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S FOR GUN VIOLENCE. 
          UM, UH, AND I'M WONDERING IF THE BOARD WOULD OKAY. 
          THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA PUT IT ON THE, UM, THE, THE NEXT WORK ON THE NEXT SESSION. 
          RIGHT? WE'LL PUT IT ON THE NEXT TOWN BOARD MEETING. 
          WHAT'S THAT? WE CAN, WE'LL DO IT AT THE, WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS WE'LL DO IT AT THE NEXT REGULAR TOWN BOARD MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          MAKES SENSE. 
          THEY SENT A, UH, BOILER PLATE THERE. 
          ARE WE SUPPOSED TO ADOPT A BOILER PLATE OR CAN WE ENHANCE IT? WELL, UM, I THINK WE, WE JUST DO THE BOILER PLATE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, DO WE WANNA, UM, START WITH, UM, ONE OF DISCUSSIONS OR DO WE WANNA DO SOME OF THE LESS CONTROVERSIAL STUFF? WE CAN GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          OUR SIX O'CLOCK IS HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, GREAT. 
          GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          UH, FOR, FOR A COMMITTEE? AYE. 
          ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA STOP THE RECORDING. 
          GOOD EVENING AGAIN, WE'RE BACK. 
          AND, UM, THE FIRST ITEM IS A DISCUSSION OF THE BATTERY STORAGE, ANY ENERGY SYSTEM. 
          IT'S A QUESTION. 
          ANY ANSWER WITH I P P, SOLAR AND STRAT, UM, UH, SOLAR, UH, REPRESENTATIVES ON BEST SIDING IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY, IN NEW YORK STATE. 
          THIS IS THE FIRST OF THREE TOWN BOARD, UM, FORUMS. AND, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, REPRESENTATIVES OF NYSERDA. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT FIRE SAFETY, UM, AND OTHER ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP. 
          SO IT SHOULD BE AN INFORMATIVE, UH, DISCUSSION. 
          AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO, UH, GARETH MCCAIN, OUR COMMISSIONER OF, UH, PLANNING. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR FINER. 
          AND, UH, BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO OUR GUESTS IN THE TOWN BOARD FOR A SERIES OF QUESTIONS TO, UH, OUR INDUSTRY EXPERTS THAT ARE HERE TODAY. 
          I DID WANT TO, UH, JUST HAVE A FEW REMARKS, UM, AS, AS A PRECURSOR TO THAT DISCUSSION. 
          AND, UM, WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS JUST RECITE A FEW, UH, NOTES HERE FROM NEW YORK STATE, UH, BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM GUIDEBOOK, WHICH, UH, WAS PUT OUT RECENTLY BY, UH, NYSERDA, NEW YORK STATE. 
          AND, UM, JUST SOME INFORMATION HERE. 
          IN DECEMBER, 2018, THE NEW YORK PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION ADOPTED GOVERNOR CUOMO'S 1,500 MEGAWATT ENERGY STORAGE TARGET BY 2025, AND ESTABLISHED A 3000 MEGAWATT TARGET BY 2030, OVER $350 MILLION IN NEW YORK STATE INCENTIVES HAVE BEEN AUTHORIZED TO ACCELERATE THE ADOPTION OF ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. IN AN EFFORT OF BUILDING A SELF SUSTAINING INDUSTRY, ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS WILL SERVE MANY CRITICAL ROLES TO ENABLE NEW YORK'S CLEAN ENERGY FUTURE AS INTERMITTENT RENEWABLE POWER SOURCES SUCH AS WIND AND SOLAR PROVIDE A LARGER PORTION OF NEW YORK'S ELECTRICITY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS WILL BE USED TO SMOOTH AND TIME SHIFT RENEWABLE GENERATION AND MINIMIZE CURTAILMENT. 
          AS NEW YORK'S GRID BECOMES SMARTER AND MORE DECENTRALIZED, THE SYSTEMS WILL DISPATCH STORED ENERGY WHEN AND WHERE IT IS NEEDED THE MOST. 
          FURTHER ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS WILL ALLOW NEW YORK TO MEET ITS PEAK POWER NEEDS WITHOUT RELYING ON ITS OLDEST AND DIRTIEST PEAK GENERATING PLANTS, MANY OF WHICH ARE APPROACHING THE END OF THEIR USEFUL LIVES. 
          SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS I'M GOING TO SOON INTRODUCE, UM, OUR GUESTS. 
          UM, BUT AS, AS THE SUPERVISOR NOTED, THIS IS THE FIRST OF, UH, A SERIES OF THREE PART Q AND AS. 
          AND THE GOAL OF THESE INFORMATIONAL SESSIONS, IF YOU WILL, ARE TO REALLY, UH, GAIN INFORMATION FROM THE INDUSTRY, UH, GAIN INFORMATION FROM OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES, AND THEN ALSO GAIN INFORMATION FROM, UH, FIRE SAFETY AND ENGINEERING, UH, EXPERT, UM, REGARDING THE SAFETY ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THE BATTERY ENERGY 
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STORAGE SYSTEMS, ALL WITH THE GOAL OF HELPING THE TOWN, UH, FORMULATE A LOCAL LAW SO THAT WE CAN ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, HAVE ZONING IN PLACE SO THAT THESE SYSTEMS CAN BE, UM, PROPERLY REGULATED IN, IN, IN APPROPRIATE PLACES IN THE TOWN. 
          UM, FROM WHAT I I READ THERE AT THE OPENING, UM, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S VERY OBVIOUS THAT THIS IS AN EMERGING TECHNOLOGY AND, UM, IT'S GONNA BE EVER MORE PREVALENT. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE, UM, BUT EMBRACE THE, EMBRACE THE SYSTEM AND THESE CHANGES. 
          BUT AT THE SAME TIME, BE RESPECTFUL OF OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR, THE CHARACTER OF THE TOWN OF GREENBERG. 
          UM, SO WHAT WE HAVE TODAY IS WE HAVE, UH, JAMES ROBINSON. 
          JAMES IS WITH STRATUS SOLAR. 
          AND, AND JAMES HAS EXPERTISE IN THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM, UH, INDUSTRY, UM, WITH, WITH, WITH, UH, SOMEWHAT OF A SPECIALIZATION IN THE LARGER SIZE SYSTEMS. AND, UM, AND, AND, AND IN FACT ACTUALLY HAS PROPOSED, UH, A SITE IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG AS, AS MANY OF US KNOW. 
          UM, SO WE WE'RE, WE'RE GLAD JAMES CAN JOIN US AND GIVE US SOME OF HIS INSIGHTS. 
          AND WE ALSO HAVE, UH, MAAR, UH, DELLY, UH, MAAR, I APOLOGIZE BY, UH, MISPRONOUNCED YOUR LAST NAME THERE. 
          UM, MAAR HAS, UH, EXPERIENCE, UH, IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY, UM, WITH SOME OF THE SMALLER SCALE, UH, ENERGY SYSTEMS, UH, FACILITIES AND, AND INDEED HAS, UH, EXPERIENCE, UH, WITH B E S S FACILITIES ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, SO COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS. 
          SO, UM, WE HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS DESIGNED TO REALLY GET GOOD INFORMATION FROM THEM. 
          INFORMATION. 
          AND, UH, AND, UH, IF MAYBE BEFORE WE GET STARTED, UH, ZIAR, IF YOU JUST WANNA SAY A QUICK HELLO IN, IN THE SAME FOR, UH, FOR, FOR JAMES AND MAAR, IF YOU WANNA START. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, SIR. 
          UH, GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, FOR, UH, HAVING US AND MANY THANKS TO GARRETT AS WE'VE BEEN, UH, SPEAKING FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS AND IT'S BEEN ALWAYS, UH, GREAT TO, TO INTERFACE WITH ON THIS PROJECT. 
          UM, SO MY NAME IS MAISY DELIA, I'M ONE OF THE, UH, CO-FOUNDERS OF THE I P P SOLAR. 
          WE ARE A SOLAR COMPANY BASED IN NEW YORK CITY. 
          WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS SINCE 2008. 
          WE ARE FOCUSING ON THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL SPACE. 
          UH, WE HAVE DEVELOPED CLOSE TO A HUNDRED PROJECTS, UH, IN THE NEW YORK METROPOLITAN AREA, NEW JERSEY AND CONNECTICUT. 
          UM, WE, UH, HAVE AN APPROACH WHERE, UH, WE, WE PARTNER OFTEN WITH, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS AND, UH, WE DEVELOP A COMBINATION OF SOLAR AND BATTERY, UH, AT THEIR SITES. 
          IN THIS CASE, UH, LANDLORD, UH, YOU KNOW, IS, IS A COMPANY, IS LITERALLY, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST, UH, CLIENT THAT, THAT WE, WE GOT SINCE 2010. 
          WE'VE INSTALLED 20 PLUS SYSTEMS WITH THEM. 
          AND SO, UH, THE, WE DID ONE FIRST PROJECT IN, UH, YORKTOWN HEIGHTS, UH, WHERE, UH, WE INSTALLED THE TWO MEGAWATT HOUR, UH, SYSTEM, UH, SIMILAR BRAND, I MEAN, SAME BRAND TEST LAB, BUT, UH, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT MODEL. 
          AND, AND SO WE HAVE HERE, UH, TWO PROJECTS, ONE AT THE MIDWAY SHOP. 
          I DON'T WANNA CUT YOU OFF, BUT I APOLOGIZE. 
          JUST WANTED A QUICK INTRO AND WE'RE GOING TO, UM, DO THE Q AND A. 
          NO, UH, YOUR SITE SPECIFIC STUFF WILL FOLLOW. 
          UM, PROBLEM. 
          AND JAMES, UH, IF YOU COULD, YOU COULD SAY, UH, HELLO THERE AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE. 
          YEAH, THANKS, GARRETT. 
          THIS IS JAMES ROBINSON AND I WORK FOR STRATA SOLAR. 
          UH, STRATA IS BASED OUTTA NORTH CAROLINA. 
          I PERSONALLY AM BASED OUT OF WESTCHESTER. 
          UM, WE'VE DEVELOPED OVER 250 PROJECTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, OVER 2000 MEGAWATTS OF INSTALLED CAPACITY. 
          UM, ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF IS A A HUNDRED MEGAWATT STORAGE PROJECT OUT IN CALIFORNIA. 
          UM, THIS IS, UH, THIS WOULD BE OUR FIRST PROJECT IN NEW YORK, BUT I PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN DEVELOPING ENERGY STORAGE IN NEW YORK AND IN NEW YORK CITY FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS. 
          UM, HAVE A COUPLE PROJECTS IN NEW YORK CITY IN CONED TERRITORY THAT, UH, IN, IN THE ONE MEGAWATT SIZE RANGE THAT, THAT I HAVE DEVELOPED AT MY PREVIOUS COMPANY. 
          UM, SO YEAH, THANKS GARRETT, FOR, FOR SETTING ALL THIS UP AND I LOOKING FORWARD TO ANSWERING ANY, ANY QUESTIONS AS MUCH AS I CAN. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THANK YOU JAMES AND ZIAR. 
          AND, UM, AT THIS POINT, UH, TOWN BOARD MEMBERS, UH, ARE, ARE READY, UH, WANNA OPEN UP THE, THE FLOOR TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE FOR, FOR, FOR, UH, JAMES AND MAISY ARE, I HAVE A QUESTION, GARRETT. 
          PLEASE DO. 
          AFTER, YOU KNOW, AFTER HAVING SEEN THE, THE, UH, PROPOSAL THAT'S BEEN KNOWN WITH, UH, COUNTRY CLUB, I THINK ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M INTERESTED IN, AND I BELIEVE THAT, UM, A A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS WERE ALSO INTERESTED IS HOW DO, HOW WILL THIS, UH, FACILITY CONNECT INTO, 
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UH, OTHER CON EDISON SUBSTATIONS? SO THERE IN GREENBURG, WE HAVE TWO CON, UH, SIGNIFICANT CON ED SUBSTATIONS IN THE TOWN, EAST VIEW NEAR MADISON SQUARE GARDEN, AND THE SUBSTATION, UH, ON ONE 19 IN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD. 
          SO DOES A SUBSTATION OF THIS VARIETY HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR MULTIPLE BEST FAC FACILITY CONNECTIONS SIMILAR TO THAT PROPOSED AT THEOLA COUNTRY CLUB? OKAY. 
          AND, UM, JAMES, DO, DO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, UH, CHI CHIME IN FIRST THERE? THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, SURE. 
          SO THE, THE, THE WAY THAT, UM, THAT THE INTERCONNECTION PROCESS WORKS IN NEW YORK IS THAT A, A DEVELOPER SUCH AS, SUCH AS STRATA OR, OR, OR I P P, UM, WOULD, WOULD PROPOSE A PROJECT TO CON EDISON AND THEN CON EDISON, UH, LETS THE DEVELOPER KNOW, UM, WHETHER AND WHETHER A, A PROJECT CAN BE INSTALLED AT THAT PROPOSED LOCATION. 
          UM, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE DON'T HAVE A TON OF VISIBILITY NECESSARILY INTO WHAT CON EDISON IS LOOKING AT AND HOW THEY ARE EVALUATING, UH, WHETHER OR NOT BATTERY, A BATTERY STORAGE PROJECT CAN BE INSTALLED AT A PROPOSED LOCATION. 
          UM, BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT, UH, A A 20 MEGAWATT PROJECT, WHICH IS THE SIZE THAT WE'VE PROPOSED AT, AT NORWOOD, IS, IS ON THE LARGER SIDE OF WHAT CAN BE, WHAT CAN BE CONNECTED ON THE DISTRIBUTION PART OF CON EDISON'S SYSTEM AS OPPOSED TO THE TRANSMISSION PART, WHICH WE CAN DISCUSS LATER. 
          AND BECAUSE IT'S ON THE LARGER SU THE, THE LARGER, UM, END OF THAT SPECTRUM, IT IS UNLIKELY THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE MANY 20 MEGAWATT PROJECTS ON A SINGLE SUBSTATION. 
          UM, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE MORE LIKELY LIKE ONE OR TWO. 
          YEAH, WELL THAT, SO THAT IF WE'RE DOING SOME KIND OF PLANNING, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AS WELL. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? SO I HAVE SOMETHING ELSE THAT, THAT IS, UH, A FOLLOW UP. 
          'CAUSE IT DOES LOOK AT TRANS AT THE TRANSMISSION LINES. 
          AND SO THAT, SO THAT SAME, UM, PROPOSED, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LARGE SCALE BEST THAT'S, UH, PROPOSED AT NORWOOD COUNTRY CLUB HIGH INTO THE, UM, CON EDISON, UH, WROTE TRANSMISSION LINES THAT WERE IN BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH IN THE TOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          SO GREAT QUESTION. 
          SO OUR PROJECT COULD NOT TIE INTO THAT TRANSMISSION LINE, AND THAT'S BECAUSE IT IS, UM, IT'S OF THE SIZE RANGE THAT IS, UH, SPECIFIED TO BE TIED INTO DISTRIBUTION LINES. 
          UM, A LARGER PROJECT THAN WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED COULD APPLY TO, UH, TIE INTO TRANSMISSION LINES. 
          AND CON EDISON WOULD DO, IT WOULD RUN AN EVALUATION WHICH THE DEVELOPER WOULD PAY FOR AND, AND WOULD LET THE DEVELOPER KNOW WHETHER IT WAS FEASIBLE FOR THAT LARGER PROJECT TO TIE IN. 
          UM, TYPICALLY SPEAKING, YOU'RE GONNA HA SEE PROJECTS THAT ARE MUCH LARGER THAN 20 MEGAWATTS BECAUSE IT IS EXPENSIVE TO TIE INTO THE TRANSMISSION LINES. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF EXTRA EQUIPMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE, UH, PAID FOR IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THAT INTERCONNECTION. 
          SO YOU NEED A PROJECT THAT'S VERY LARGE TO BE ABLE TO BEAR THAT COST. 
          SO YOU'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, 80, A HUNDRED MEGAWATTS MUCH LARGER THAN WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, BUT I'M GOING BACK TO THE, TO YOUR ANSWER TO THE, THE FIRST QUESTION I ASKED. 
          SO IF, IF IN FACT, THE PROPOSAL THAT YOU HAVE THAT'S AT NORWOOD, UM, WOULD USE, WOULD BE USING THE CAPACITY THAT MEANS THAT WE COULDN'T HAVE ANOTHER, UH, THAT CONNECTS IN INTO THE, UH, DISTRIBUTION LINES, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. 
          AM I UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY? UM, LIKE IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE SPECIFICS AND KIND OF HAVE TO EVALUATE THAT. 
          SO THE TRANSMISSION AND THE DISTRIBUTION CONNECTED ARE SEPARATE, SO OUR PROJECTS SHOULDN'T, WOULDN'T AFFECT ANYTHING THAT IS SEPARATELY PROPOSED ON THE TRANSMISSION LINE. 
          IN TERMS OF THE DISTRIBUTION LINE, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S TRUE TO SAY THAT THERE WOULD BE NO OTHER PROJECTS THAT COULD CONNECT TO CON'S DISTRIBUTION NETWORK, BUT THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO CONNECT WITHOUT SUBSTANTIAL UPGRADES WOULD BE IF I, I'M SPECULATING, BUT ONE, TWO OR THREE, NOT 10, 20, OR 30, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          WHO WOULD, WHO WOULD END UP DOING UPGRADES THEN, JAMES? UM, THE WAY IT WORKS IS THAT THE DEVELOPED CON EDISON WOULD, WOULD RUN A STUDY AND EXPLAIN WHAT THE UPGRADES, HOW MUCH THEY WOULD BE AND WHAT, HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST AND WHAT THEY WOULD ENTAIL. 
          AND THEN THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THE UPGRADES, UM, IF THEY DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO GREAT QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU, DIANA. 
          UM, COUNCILMAN JENNER. 
          SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, UM, TH THIS GRAPHIC THAT I'VE SHARED, UM, WHEN YOU HEAR TRANSMISSION LINES, UM, THESE ARE THE, UH, YOU KNOW, 150 FOOT HIGH, UH, LINES THAT RUN NORTH SOUTH IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG. 
          AND THERE'S TWO PARALLEL LINES, UM, VERSUS IN THIS EXAMPLE, THIS ADJACENT, UH, UM, SUBSTATION, WHICH IS ON 
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ROUTE ONE 19 CLOSE TO THE, UH, SPRAIN OVERPASS. 
          UM, SO JUST, AND I JUST WANNA LIKE RECAP AND, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UH, JAMES, FOR THE DISTRIBUTION LINES, YOU HAD INDICATED THAT, UM, THE MOST LIKELY FEASIBILITY OF A B E S S FACILITY, UM, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THESE, UM, POWER ATTENTION LINES, UM, WOULD BE A MUCH LARGER FACILITY, UM, LIKE GREATER THAN 20 MEGAWATTS. 
          AND WE EVEN WENT SO FAR AS TO SPECULATE THAT IT COULD BE LIKE A 80 TO A HUNDRED MEGAWATT FACILITY, UM, JUST FOR FEASIBILITY PURPOSES. 
          THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE EXPECTED IN TERMS OF DELIVERING ENERGY STORAGE. 
          UM, SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING. 
          I MEAN, THAT DEFINITELY HELPS ME THINK ABOUT ZONING AND, UM, , YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AN 80 MEGAWATT SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, NOT SEEM APPROPRIATE FOR ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT. 
          UM, UM, SO IT'S VERY HELPFUL. 
          AND THEN, RIGHT. 
          JUST, SO I JUST WANTED, UH, VIEWERS TO UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU MENTIONED DISTRIBUTION LINE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE HIGH, UH, TENSION POWER LINES VERSUS, UM, THE, UH, SUBSTATION, WHICH IS SHOWN, THEY'RE BOTH SHOWN IN THIS GRAPHIC ACTUALLY THERE. 
          SO WE, I JUST HAVE A QUES A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. 
          WOULD WE THEN BE INCLUDING THIS IN, INTO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, IN OTHER WORDS, AND TRYING TO FIGURE IF WE'RE DEVELOPING SOME KIND OF POLICY, ARE WE LOOKING TO SEE WHAT WHAT MIGHT WORK FOR, FOR EITHER DISTRIBUTION OR TRANSMISSION LINES AND WHERE THEY MIGHT FIT? I, I THINK IT'S HELPFUL TO HAVE THE BEST KNOWLEDGE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY, THEY WOULD MOST LIKELY THE INDUSTRY WOULD WANNA CITE THEM JUST PURELY ON A FEASIBILITY AND WHAT THE, WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE EXISTS. 
          AND THEN IT'S UP TO THE TOWN TO EVALUATE KNOWING WITH THAT KNOWLEDGE, YOU KNOW, HOW IT CAN OR CANNOT ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, THOSE, WHATEVER NEEDS THE INDUSTRY HAS. 
          UM, SO YEAH, ULTIMATELY THIS WILL ABSOLUTELY, YOU KNOW, ALL IS, ALL OF THIS I FEEL IS, YOU KNOW, IS GONNA BE SUPER VALUABLE AS WE THINK ABOUT A LOCAL LAW. 
          I THINK SO TOO. 
          I I THINK YOU MAY HAVE POINTED TO TRANSMISSION LINES AND CALL THEM DISTRIBUTION LINES, JOE. 
          UH, AND THAT'S , THAT'S ANOTHER DISTINCTION THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          AND, UM, RIGHT , IT'S NOT GOOD IF I DID THAT, TRANSMISSION LINES BEING THE, THE LARGE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE 150 FOOT HIGH TOWER VERSUS DISTRIBUTION LINES, WHICH ARE MORE COMMONLY ON, ON OUR RIGHT OF WAY AREAS. 
          UH, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT AND I APOLOGIZE FOR MISSPEAKING THERE. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          AND I KNOW MAIS, I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, YOUR SPECIALIZATION IS MORE ON THE SMALLER SIDE, BUT, UM, ARE, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON THOSE TWO QUESTIONS OR ARE YOU OKAY IF WE MOVE ON? I THINK THINK, I MEAN, UH, YEAH, JAMES PRETTY COVERED, DID PRETTY WELL. 
          UH, YEAH, I THINK IF YOU, IF, IF THE GOAL IS FOR YOU TO, UH, THINK IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, A LAW, UH, GOING FORWARD FOR FUTURE INSTALLATIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LARGER INSTALLATIONS WOULD BE REALLY FOR INDUSTRIAL, UH, TYPE ZONE PROPERTIES, UH, VERSUS, YOU KNOW, THE SMALLER ONES, UH, WOULD BE FOR COMMERCIAL, UH, COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES. 
          AND I THINK, UH, YEAH, IF, IF SOMEBODY, UH, WA WHO WANTS TO DO A HUNDRED MEGAWATT, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE MOST LIKELY, UH, AN INDUSTRIAL, UH, INDUSTRIAL ZONE, YOU KNOW, PARCEL CONSIDERATIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I, I, I, I, I WONDER IF I COULD JUST INTERJECT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WE'RE GATHERING IS INFORMATION THAT'S NOT, UH, SPECIFIC TO A PARTICULAR APPLICATION. 
          WE'RE JUST TRYING TO LEARN ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S OUT THERE, THE AVAILABILITY OF PRODUCT, UM, REGARDING THESE, UM, THESE, UM, BEST SYSTEMS. AND SO B E S S SYSTEMS. SO ANYTHING YOU CAN TELL US, YOU KNOW, GENERICALLY IS, IS AS IMPORTANT AS ANYTHING ELSE. 
          SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SMALLER SYSTEMS, HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE THE SMALLER SYSTEM AND WHAT WOULD THEY BE USED FOR? SO, UH, THE SMALLER SYSTEMS YOU HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, YOU KNOW, CATEGORY AND SORT OF MORE COMMERCIAL, UH, THE MOST WELL KNOWN RESIDENTIAL IS THE POWER WALL, AND THEY ARE OFTEN MOUNTED ON THE WALL IN A GARAGE OR ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. 
          AND I THINK THAT THOSE, UH, AS LONG AS VERY, UH, STANDARD PROCEDURES AND, UH, THE, THE TYPICAL, UH, YOU KNOW, UL LISTINGS AND AND SO ON ARE FOLLOWED, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE REALLY MUCH CONCERN ABOUT 
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PERMITTING THOSE, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THEY WOULD REALLY POSE, UH, REALLY MUCH RISK. 
          AGAIN, AS LONG AS THE, THE USUAL, YOU KNOW, N E C AND FIRE SAFETY BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS FOLLOWED. 
          THOSE ARE PRETTY, UH, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. 
          UM, THEN YOU HAVE PROJECTS THAT ARE SORT OF THE MORE COMMERCIAL, AND THAT'S THE TYPE OF, UH, PROJECTS WE ARE PROPOSING. 
          UM, I INVITE EVERYONE TO READ THE, UH, NEW YORK CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, SORT OF GUIDEBOOK. 
          IT'S A HUNDRED PAGES, BUT IT REALLY COVERS IT SUPER WELL. 
          AND I THINK ONCE YOU HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT, YOU WILL GET A VERY GOOD FEEL ABOUT WHAT THIS IS, IS, YOU KNOW, OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS YOU HAVE HAD, UH, MANY INSTALLATIONS, BUT IN THE EARLIER YEARS YOU HAD A LOT OF ISSUES AND, AND THEN ALL THE, THE GREAT MINES AND, YOU KNOW, REGULATORS CAME UP WITH, UH, SOME MORE STRICT STANDARDS. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE GETTING TO A POINT WHERE ON THE LARGER COMMERCIAL INDUS COMMERCIAL INSTALLATIONS, WE HAVE REACHED A, A, A, A GOOD LEVEL OF SAFETY. 
          BUT AGAIN, YOU, YOU NEED IT, IT'S GOOD TO FOLLOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THE F D N Y, UH, PROCEDURES, FOR EXAMPLE, STAY 10 FEET AWAY FROM A BUILDING, UH, DON'T PUT IT UNDER POWER LINES, UH, HAVE 24 7 MONITORING. 
          I MEAN, THOSE ARE KIND OF, I MEAN, ONLINE MONITORING, THOSE ARE KIND OF COMMON SENSE. 
          AND IF THOSE THINGS ARE, ARE IMPLEMENTED, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU WILL BE ABLE TO, UH, TO HAVE A SAFE INSTALLATION. 
          SO I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS SORT OF MORE DETAIL. 
          I HOPE THAT SORT OF COVERED REALLY PART OF YOUR QUESTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAAR, COUNCILWOMAN JACKSON, WHO'S THE QUESTION NEXT? YES, GOOD EVENING. 
          UM, IS IT INSPECTED THAT, UH, INSTITUTIONAL USES BY PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS WILL SEEK SMALLER SCALE B E S S ON THEIR SITES WITH THE ONSITE ENERGY NEEDS? YES. 
          I WOULD SAY THAT EVERYWHERE YOU HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING SOLAR PANELS, UH, MOST LIKELY PEOPLE ARE GONNA THINK ABOUT PUTTING BATTERY STORAGE. 
          THE, THE, THE MOST LOGICAL, THE MO, THE, THE, THE MAIN REASON WOULD BE, UH, I THINK, UH, EMERGENCY POWER BACKUP. 
          I THINK WE HAVE ALL EXPERIENCED LOTS OF PROBLEMS WITH THE GRID, AND THOSE ISSUES ARE NOT GONNA GO AWAY. 
          IN FACT, THEY'RE GONNA BE PROBABLY EXACERBATED. 
          SO EVERYONE NEEDS TO THINK ABOUT, UH, THIS ISSUE AND, YOU KNOW, FIND SOLUTIONS BECAUSE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE GONNA ASK FOR POWER BACKUP. 
          AND, AND SO, UH, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO, TO BE, UH, THE, THE TREND GOING FORWARD. 
          AND JAMES, DO YOU, DO YOU FEEL THAT, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UM, KNOWLEDGE, DO YOU FEEL THAT ON INSTITUTIONAL USES SUCH AS, UM, UH, SCHOOLS, UM, AND OTHER BIG PUBLIC BUILDINGS, UH, DO, DO YOU SEE THAT BEING THE NORM? OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU FORESEE? YES, DEFINITELY. 
          I, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE INCREASINGLY COMMON. 
          UM, AND, AND THE SYSTEM, SOME OF THEM WILL BE PAIRED WITH SOLAR, OTHERS WON'T BE PAIRED WITH SOLAR. 
          UM, AND I THINK MANY OF THEM WILL BE FEEDING BACK INTO THE GRID, UM, CHARGING FROM THE GRID AND FEEDING BACK INTO THE GRID, WHICH I BELIEVE IS WHAT, UM, ZIAR SYSTEMS WILL, WILL BE DOING. 
          AND THAT, THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE, UH, REGULATORS HAVE SET UP, UH, THE TARIFFS TO INCENTIVIZE THE SYSTEMS TO DO THAT. 
          AND THEY, THEY UNDERSTAND THAT SYSTEMS ARE PROVIDING A VALUE BY, BY BEING CITED ON A CUSTOMER SITE, BUT THEN BEING CHARGING AND DISCHARGING FROM THE GRID, UM, AND THAT THERE'S A, A VALUE TO THE GRID OVERALL BY ALLOWING THEM TO DO THAT. 
          AND, AND SO A LOT OF THE MECHANISMS ARE IN PLACE TO INCENTIVIZE AND PAY, UH, SYSTEMS TO, TO BE DOING THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COUNCILMAN JACKSON? YES. 
          SO FOR, SO FOR THESE SMALLER TYPE OF SCALE BEST PROJECTS, UM, WHAT ARE THE ENERGY CONNECTION NEEDS TO THE EXISTING KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE? WOULD IT BE THE, IS IT THE TYPICAL 13, UM, BOAT LINES ALONG THE LOCAL AND STATE ROADS? YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY PARTICULAR, UH, RE YOU KNOW, HARD REQUIREMENTS. 
          THE, THE, THE, THE SERVICES THAT YOU HAVE IN THE BUILDINGS, UH, RIGHT NOW OR AT HOMES ARE, ARE SUFFICIENT FOR BATTERY STORAGE IN ORDER 
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TO PROVIDE THAT KIND OF POWER BACKUP THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR. 
          UH, SO YOU, YOU SHOULD NOT BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT PART. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WILL BECOME, UH, I THINK, UH, MORE OF AN ISSUE IN LOCATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE SOME, UH, PARTICULARLY, UH, UNUSUAL APPLICATIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, ELECTRIC CARS. 
          ELECTRIC CARS PULL A LOT OF POWER IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. 
          AND SO, UH, IN THOSE AND THOSE SITUATIONS, UH, YOU, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT REALLY ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN I HAVE A SECOND QUE WELL, A THIRD QUESTION. 
          UM, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG HAS NUMEROUS PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS LIKE TOWNHOUSES, TOWNHOUSE STYLE, CLUSTER DESIGN, AND NUMEROUS MULTIFAMILY FREE STANDING BUILDINGS SHOULD, DIDN'T BE EXPECTED, UM, THAT, THAT'S LIKELY TO BE CONSIDERED A PROPOSAL AT RESIDENTIAL USES LIKE THESE ON FOR ONSITE ENERGY NEEDS. 
          JAMES, DID YOU WANNA TAKE THAT OR DID I COMPLETELY, I'M SORRY. 
          , , I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ALL THE TIME, . 
          NO, IT'S OKAY. 
          UM, I MEAN, I THINK YOU, UH, MY MY OPINION IS THAT YES, IT WILL BE INCREASINGLY COMMON FOR, UM, FOR BATTERY STORAGE SYSTEMS TO BE PLACED ON THOSE TYPES OF BUILDINGS AS WELL. 
          AND AGAIN, THERE WILL BE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT BUSINESS MODELS THAT CAN BE USED. 
          UH, EVERYTHING FROM PROVIDING BACKUP GENERATION, REDUCING ELECTRICITY COSTS TO THE LOCAL BUILDING, UM, ALL THE WAY THROUGH BEING ABLE TO DISCHARGE ONTO THE GRID. 
          AND, AND, UH, THAT'S THE COMMUNITY STORAGE MODEL WHERE THEY ARE DISCHARGING ONTO THE GRID AND THEN ACTUALLY SAVING CUSTOMERS AND RESIDENTS THEIR BILLS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE CUSTOMERS THAT ARE RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE THE SURGE IS LOCATED. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND, AND IF I CAN, UH, COMPLIMENT WHAT, UH, JAMES SAID IN TERMS OF BUSINESS MODELS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT BATTERIES IS THAT THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS OUT THERE THAT, AND THEY ALL HAVE THEIR BENEFITS. 
          UH, SO YES, YOU CAN HAVE OBVIOUSLY POWER BACKUP, THAT'S THE, THE, THE MOST OBVIOUS ONE, BUT YOU HAVE MORE TECHNICAL ONES WHERE YOU, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, THE MAKE THE GRID MORE STABLE BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE ELECTRICITY FOLLOWS LIKE THE SINE WAVE AND, AND SO THAT FREQUENCY CAN, MAY NOT BE ALWAYS STABLE, SO YOU USE BATTERIES TO MAKE THE GRID MORE STABLE, SO IT IMPROVES THE QUALITY OF POWER. 
          AND, AND THEN, SO I CAN GO ON. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, THE BATTERIES ARE JUST AN AMAZING PRODUCT. 
          THEY WILL BRING UP SO MANY, UH, INNOVATIONS AND, AND QUALITIES TO PEOPLE'S LIVES, UH, I BELIEVE MM-HMM. 
          . 
          THANK YOU BOTH. 
          AND, UH, THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN JACKSON. 
          UH, COUNCILMAN JONES. 
          UH, I'M SORRY. 
          UH, YOU'RE MUTED THERE, KEN. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THAT YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE IN TERMS OF, UH, ENERGY STORAGE. 
          UM, A COUPLE OF OFFICE PARKS IN THE TOWN, UM, HAVE ALREADY, UM, ESTABLISHED, UH, BEST ASSISTS, UH, AT THEIR SITES. 
          UM, SO IS IT TRUE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN PROBABLY EXPECT THESE TYPES OF PROPOSALS FOR OTHER INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE AND FLEX SPACE BUILDINGS? I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID, RIGHT? THAT IT'S THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          SO MAYBE THE LAST ONE WE FOCUSED ON, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE QUESTION WAS MORE GEARED TOWARDS, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL AND, AND, AND, UM, SCHOOLS AND INSTITUTIONAL. 
          SO, UH, RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE SEEING IT IN THE OFFICE, YOU KNOW, UH, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, I GUESS, UH, IS, IS A CONTINUED, UH, YOU KNOW, TREND. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          I MEAN, UM, UH, IN THE CASE OF, UH, WAREHOUSES, AND I MEAN, LOOK, LET'S TAKE THE CASE OF, UH, MIDWAY. 
          YOU HAVE A SHOPRITE THERE, SHOPRITE THERE THAT SHOPRITE USES, UH, REFRIGERATION AND CONDITIONERS AND SO ON AND SO ON. 
          AND THOSE, UH, YOU HAVE ALL OF A SUDDEN A SPIKE AT A CERTAIN MOMENT IN TIME, AND THAT LITTLE SPIKE IN THE NEXT, IN THE, THE COUPLE OF MINUTES CAN REALLY PUSH UP THE, UH, THE, THE CONED BILL THAT, THAT SHOPRITE IS GETTING. 
          AND SO WITH THE BATTERIES, YOU CAN REDUCE THE IMPACT 
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OF THOSE SPIKES, AND SO REDUCE THE ELECTRIC BILL OF THAT SHOPRITE, WHICH ULTIMATELY IN SOME WAYS IS GOING TO BENEFIT THE, UH, THE CUSTOMERS. 
          MM. 
          MM-HMM. 
           AND, UM, DO, ARE, ARE, HOW, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE, OR HOW IS IT DETERMINED WHETHER, UM, THE, UH, BEST ASSIST IS A COMBINATION WITH SOLAR OR, OR HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER TO INCLUDE SOLAR OR NOT TO INCLUDE SOLAR IN, UH, THE BEST SYSTEMS? THAT'S ACTUALLY A, A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION, UH, BECAUSE LET ME EXPLAIN. 
          THE PROBLEM WITH SOLAR IN WESTCHESTER IS REAL ESTATE, THERE IS JUST NO REAL ESTATE. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO LITTLE SPACE TO PUT SOLAR PANELS. 
          WE JUST NEED A LOT OF SPACE TO GENERATE A LOT OF ELECTRICITY FROM, UH, SOLAR. 
          AND SO, UH, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THERE IS SUCH A PUSH FOR DEVELOPMENT OF BATTERY STORAGE IN, IN WESTCHESTER AND NEW YORK CITY IS BECAUSE OF, UH, THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO, NO REAL ESTATE FOR SOLAR. 
          AND SO THE IDEA IS TO USE BATTERIES TO CHARGE THEM AT NIGHT WHEN THERE IS LITTLE DEMAND FOR ELECTRICITY, EVERYONE IS ASLEEP. 
          AND THEN, UH, DISPATCH THAT POWER DURING THE DAY, UH, WHEN THERE IS A HIGH LEVEL OF DEMAND. 
          AND SO IT'S A, IT'S THE BEST ALTERNATIVE WE HAVE FOUND TO SOLAR, REALLY, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHY YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF BATTERIES IN, IN, IN THE AREA. 
          BUT THE, I BELIEVE, I, I BELIEVE THE UNITS PROPOSED FOR THE MIDWAY SHOPPING CENTER ARE A COMBINATION OF, OF SOLAR AND, AND BATTERY POWERED. 
          UM, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU DECIDE, UM, WHERE OR WHEN TO DO SUCH A THING LIKE THAT? FIRST OF ALL, WE WERE, UH, FORTUNATE AND, UH, PLEASED TO INSTALL A SOLAR ARRAY OVER THE ROOF THREE YEARS AGO. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE SATELLITE IMAGES, UH, SOFTWARE WILL DO THE REST IN TERMS OF DECIDING WHEN TO USE THE SOLAR POWER TO CHARGE THE, THE BATTERIES VERSUS THE GRID. 
          SO IT'S ALL DRIVEN BY THE SOFTWARE. 
          AND, AND THEN OF COURSE, THE, UH, THE, THE TARIFFS, THE, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE LOAD FROM THE, THE, THE SHOPPING CENTER. 
          SO IT'S JUST A LOT OF DIFFERENT PARAMETERS THAT ARE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. 
          AND THEN THE SOFTWARE WILL DO THE DECISION MAKING. 
          SO WHERE, WHERE, WHERE SOLAR, WHERE SOLAR IS INCLUDED, THE SOFTWARE WILL DECIDE WHERE THE ENERGY'S DRAWN FROM AND, AND WHETHER IT'S STORED OR DISTRIBUTED. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO IN FACT, IN THE PROJECT WE DID AT YORKTOWN HEIGHTS, UH, WE HAVE, UH, SOLAR PLUS BATTERY STORAGE. 
          AND WHAT, UH, HAPPENS IS IN THE MORNING, THE, UH, THE SOLAR IS, UH, GENERATING ELECTRICITY, AND THE BATTERY IS STORING ALL THE ENERGY FROM THE SOLAR, UH, UH, DURING THE DAY. 
          AND THEN FROM 4:00 PM TILL 8:00 PM DURING THE SUMMER, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE PEAK LOAD, THEN THE, THE, SO THE SOLAR IS GOING TO, TO TELL THE, UH, THE BATTERIES TO DISCHARGE OR POWER INTO THE GRID TO REDUCE THE STRESS ON THE GRID. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO IS IT, IS IT, IS IT PREFERRED TO HAVE THE COMBINATION OR JUST TO HAVE OR, OR TO HAVE ONE OR THE OTHER? IF WE COULD CHOOSE, I WOULD PUT SOLAR ALL DAY, BUT THERE IS JUST NOT ENOUGH SPACE. 
          WE, UH, WE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MIDWAY, WE USED EVERY SQUARE INCH WE COULD TO PUT SOLAR PANELS. 
          THERE IS NO SPACE TO PUT SOLAR PANELS IN, IN WESTCHESTER. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , IT'S LIKE UNBELIEVABLE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , I MEAN, THERE IS, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT NOTHING. 
          COMPARE NOTHING NEAR NEW JERSEY. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, YOU GO TO, YOU GO TO NEW JERSEY, YOU HAVE TWO, 300,000 SQUARE FEET WAREHOUSES CLOSE TO NEWARK MM-HMM. 
          , SO YOU PUT FEWER OF THOSE. 
          AND THEN NEWARK IS, IS, WELL, YOU KNOW, SERVED MM-HMM. 
           MM-HMM. 
           IN NEW YORK CITY, THERE IS NOTHING YOU GO, YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY, ALL THE WAY TO PUT THEM COUNTY TO FIND SOME SPACE MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THEN IN MOST PLACES, WE CAN EXPECT DIRECT CONNECTIONS TO THE GRID RATHER THAN SOLAR HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE HAVE TO USE BATTERIES. 
          THERE'S JUST NO WAY AROUND IT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND CHARGE AT NIGHT FROM THE POWER COMING FROM CANADA. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MM-HMM. 
          , THAT'S JUST THE, THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY THE BUSINESS MODEL CHARGE AT NIGHT FROM CANADA AND THEN DISPATCH IT, UH, IN 
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THE AFTERNOON, IN THE SUMMER WHEN IT'S A HUNDRED DEGREES OUT. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE YOUR ALTERNATIVE, YOUR ALTERNATIVE TO PUTTING THE BATTERIES IS GOING TO BUILD MORE SUBSTATIONS AND UPGRADE THOSE DISTRIBUTION LINES FROM 13,000 VOLT TO, UH, 34,000 VOLTS. 
          AND THAT'S GONNA COST MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, AND YOU'RE GOING TO USE THAT EXTRA CAPACITY, LIKE PROBABLY NO MORE THAN 10 DAYS IN THE YEAR. 
          SO IT'S JUST COMPLETE WASTE. 
          MM-HMM. 
           MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO WE NEED TO INSTALL THESE BATTERIES, BUT OF COURSE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS COMFORTABLE, THAT NOBODY'S SCARED, EVERYONE FEELS SAFE. 
          SO, AND THAT'S, WE'RE HERE TO HOPEFULLY SHARE OUR INSIGHTS AND, AND YOU GUYS HOPEFULLY, UH, FEEL THAT THIS IS DONE RIGHT AND YOU CAN GIVE US PERMITS. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NO, I DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL REQUEST FOR THE, UH, F D N Y HANDBOOK, WHICH I SENT OUT. 
          UM, I THINK IT WOULD ALSO MAKE SENSE, WE'LL PUT THAT ON THE, ON, ON THE TOWN WEBSITE ALONG WITH A LOT OF THE NYSERDA DOCUMENTATION. 
          SO, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL PERHAPS SUPERVISOR FINER COORDINATING EBLAST SO WE CAN GET ALL THIS INFORMATION OUT ALONG WITH THE LINK. 
          UM, BUT THANK YOU COUNCILMAN JONES AND, UH, COUNCILMAN SHEEN. 
          UH, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS YOU'D LIKE TO ASK? I DO, BEFORE I DO, I JUST WANTED TO JUST REACT TO ONE SMALL THING THAT YOU MENTIONED. 
          WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR THE PUBLIC TO JUST FEEL SAFE. 
          WE WANT THEM TO BE SAFE, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING TWO DISCUSSIONS. 
          AND I, I, I'M SURE THAT'S WHAT YOU MEANT, UM, BUT I'M STILL GRAPPLING, LIKE I DID AT THE BEGINNING OVER LARGE SCALE VERSUS SMALL SCALE. 
          AND WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE? BUT FOR EXAMPLE, WITH SMALLER SCALE, UH, BEST THESE, UH, UH, THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS, LET'S SAY ON EITHER NON-COMMERCIAL OR NON-RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL USAGE, THE SMALLER ONES, HOW PREVALENT IS IT THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE INSTALLED BASICALLY TO PUT, TO GET THE ENERGY OFF THE GRID AND THEN PUT IT BACK ON THE GRID AS OPPOSED TO, UM, PROVIDING ENERGY FOR THE, UH, ONSITE STRUCTURES ITSELF. 
          IS THAT COMMON? UH, JAMES, DO YOU WANNA TAKE IT OR, YEAH, I CAN TAKE IT. 
          SO IT IS COMMON, AND THE REASON IT'S COMMON IS BECAUSE THE STATE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED THEIR, IN THEIR, THEIR TARIFF STRUCTURE SO THAT IT IS FINANCIALLY VIABLE TO DO THAT. 
          AND THAT WAS AFTER A LONG MULTI-YEAR PROCESS OF, OF THE STATE AND THE REGULATORS AND ALBANY TRYING TO DETERMINE HOW TO BEST GET THESE BATTERIES WHERE THEY WANT THEM AND TO DO WHAT THEY WANT THEM TO DO. 
          AND THE, THE DETERMINATION WAS THAT BY ALLOWING A BATTERY TO BE ATTACHED OR INTERCONNECTED DIRECTLY TO CON EDISON OR THE DISTRIBUTION UTILITIES WIRES, WITHOUT HAVING TO BE BEHIND A, A SPECIFIC CUSTOMER'S METER, UM, THAT, THAT YOU COULD HAVE BATTERIES THAT ARE MORE COST EFFECTIVE 'CAUSE THEY CAN BE A BIT LARGER. 
          AND ALSO THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO FOLLOW PRICE SIGNALS THAT ARE COMING FROM THAT, THE ENERGY MARKETS. 
          AND SO THEY'LL BE, THEY'LL BE DISPATCHED, CHARGED AND DISCHARGED WHEN, UH, WHEN THE OVERALL GRID NEEDS THEM, NOT JUST WHEN AN INDIVIDUAL CUSTOMER NEEDS THEM. 
          UM, AND SO THAT, THAT THEY, THEY ROLLED THAT OUT MAYBE FOUR YEARS AGO NOW, AND THAT'S, UH, UH, PROBABLY THE MOST POPULAR BUSINESS MODEL THAT, THAT BATTERY DEVELOPERS ARE LOOKING AT. 
          NOW. 
          THERE, THERE ARE OTHER BUSINESS MODELS INCLUDING, INCLUDING HAVING IT, UH, BEHIND A CUSTOMER METER AND SPECIFICALLY BEING USED TO REDUCE THE CUSTOMER'S PEAK LOAD, LIKE IN THE GROCERY STORE EXAMPLE THAT, THAT ER GAVE. 
          UH, AND, AND THOSE ARE VIABLE ALSO, BUT, BUT I BELIEVE THAT MORE BATTERIES WOULD, ARE GONNA BE GOING THE DIRECT TO THE GRID METHOD THAN, THAN OTHERWISE. 
          WOULD THAT BE EXCLUSIVELY AND NOT SERVING ANY PURPOSE FOR THE, THE HOME, FOR EXAMPLE, OR THE TOWNHOUSE? THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD PUT IN THESE BATTERY SYSTEMS JUST SOLELY TO DO THE GRAB FOR THE GRID, FOR THE BACK OF THE GRID AND JUST CONTINUE TO USE THE GRID FOR THE HOUSE ITSELF. 
          SO THE, THE OWNER OF THE LAND IS ALWAYS GOING TO GET SOME VALUE OUT OF IT. 
          'CAUSE OTHERWISE THEY WON'T AGREE TO HOST IT. 
          SO I THINK THE THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT IT'S MORE EFFICIENT JUST TO ESSENTIALLY HAVE THEM PAID IN, IN JUST A LEASE PAYMENT, UH, FOR THESE OF THEIR LAND THAN TO TRY TO HAVE THEM SAVE THAT SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY ON THE ELECTRIC BILL. 
          UM, IT, IT, IT'S A MORE EFFICIENT MODEL TO PAY THEM WHAT THEY, HOW THEY VALUE THEIR LAND, AND THEN HAVE THE BATTERIES DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE GRID, NOT WHAT IS NECESSARILY BEST FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL CUSTOMER'S BILL, IF THAT 
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MAKES SENSE. 
          DID YOU GIVE US THE, UH, PRI VERSION OF THE TARIFF SYSTEM? YOU KEPT USING THE TERM TAROT? YEAH, YEAH. 
          UM, YEAH, ACTUALLY, YEAH. 
          IF YOU CAN, IF I CAN ADD TO THIS, UM, MAYBE, UH, A, A A STEP BACK. 
          SO IN THE EARLY DAYS OF THE INDUSTRY, IT WAS VERY LOGICAL FOR PEOPLE TO TIE THEIR SOLAR ARRAY BEHIND THEIR METER. 
          BUT THEN WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT SOME FARMERS UPSTATE SAID, LOOK, I HAVE MY BARN HERE, I HAVE MY HOUSE THERE, I HAVE THIS OTHER MACHINE ON THE OTHER SIDE, AND THIS IS VERY EXPENSIVE AND VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE A SOLAR ARRAY, TINY SOLAR ARRAY BEHIND EVERY SINGLE METER. 
          SO THE STATE AND NYSERDA SAID, LOOK, LET'S FIND A SOLUTION. 
          AND THEY ALLOWED PE TO, TO HAVE INSTALLATIONS THAT YOU CALL REMOTE, THAT METERING, WHERE YOU PUT THE SOLAR PANELS FOR THE ENTIRE LOAD OF ALL YOUR METERS AT ONE LOCATION, AND THEN YOU JUST DO AN ACCOUNTING, THE UTILITY JUST DOES AN ACCOUNTING AND GIVES A CREDIT FOR THE EXCESS PRODUCTION ON ONE METER AND, AND, YOU KNOW, MATCHES WITH THE, UH, THE, THE BILLS ON THE OTHER METERS. 
          AND THEN AFTER A WHILE THEY SAID, LOOK, THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD SOLUTION. 
          UH, WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE, UH, UH, SYSTEM CONNECTED DIRECTLY TO THAT LOAD. 
          LET'S HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, A SOLAR SYSTEM AT ONE LOCATION AND THEN HAVE A LINK A BUNCH OF METERS TO, TO THAT SOLAR SYSTEM AND THEY COULD BE MILES AWAY. 
          AND THEN AFTER THAT, THE COMMUNITY SOLAR PROGRAM WAS BORN, THEY SAID, WELL, THIS IS GREAT BECAUSE WE CAN HAVE HUNDREDS OF HOMES WHO ARE IN THE SAME UTILITY ZONE SUBSCRIBE TO THAT SOLAR FARM THAT IS MAYBE 50 MILES AWAY, AND THEY CAN ALL GET A DISCOUNT ON THEIR ELECTRIC BILLS. 
          AND SO THEY TOOK THAT CONCEPT AS WELL FOR BATTERY STORAGE. 
          SO YOU CAN HAVE BATTERY STORAGE AT ONE LOCATION, AND THEN GET HOMEOWNERS WHO COULD BE IN THAT SAME ELECTRIC ZONE, UH, BENEFIT FROM THAT BATTERY STORAGE AND GET SOME, UH, DISCOUNTED RATE, WHICH IS, BY THE WAY, WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO. 
          IT'S, OUR APPLICATION MAY NOT BE THE APPLICATION SPECIFICALLY OF JAMES PROJECT, SO THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE WAY THE PROJECTS ARE, ARE BUILT AND TIED IS VERY CONNECTED TO THE TYPE OF INCENTIVES. 
          AND WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL A V PROGRAM WHERE FOR EVERY SINGLE LOCATION, THERE IS A, THERE IS A, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A SO, UH, SPREADSHEET THAT EVERYONE CAN DOWNLOAD FROM NYLA'S WEBSITE, AND YOU PUT A BUNCH OF PARAMETERS IN THERE, AND THEY WILL TELL YOU HOW MANY CENTS A KILOWATT HOUR YOU CAN GENERATE BY, UH, PRODUCING ELECTRICITY FROM YOUR SOLAR PANELS OR FROM YOUR BATTERY STORAGE AT A GIVEN MOMENT IN TIME. 
          I MEAN, I HAVE TO SAY, WHAT NEW YORK HAS PUT IN PLACE IS LIKE ABSOLUTELY AMAZING, INCREDIBLE. 
          THERE IS NO OTHER PLACE I CAN THINK OF IN THE PLANET THAT HAS SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, A FEW YEARS FROM NOW, EVERYONE IS GONNA COPY NEW YORK'S MODEL BECAUSE IT'S JUST INCREDIBLE. 
          UH, SO, BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THE WAY WE ARE BUILDING OUR PROJECTS IS VERY MUCH DRIVEN BY THAT VE PROGRAM THAT NYSERDA HAS PUT IN PLACE. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHICH GETS, WHICH GETS TO ANOTHER QUESTION AS TO, DOES THIS WHOLE, UH, BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM TECHNOLOGY, IS IT REALLY DEPENDENT ON STATE GRANTS OR OTHER INCENTIVES FOR IT TO ACTUALLY WORK? NO, NOT YET. 
          WELL, IT DEPENDS. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, UH, IT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU ARE. 
          IF YOU GO TO LONG ISLAND, THERE IS NO MORE NICER INCENTIVE FOR, FOR SOLAR. 
          SOLAR STAND IS STANDING ON ITS OWN FEET FEE. 
          IF YOU HAD SPACE IN NEW YORK CITY, YOU COULD DO PROJECTS WITHOUT  INCENTIVES, BUT THEY, THEY WANNA ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO DO MORE, SO THEY THROW MONEY BECAUSE IT WILL COST MONEY TO UPGRADE THE SUBSTATIONS OR BUILD MORE SUBSTATIONS. 
          SO THEY WANNA JUST THROW MONEY AT YOU AND SAY, HEY, JUST DO MORE SOLAR, PLEASE. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S VERY LOCATION TO GO TO. 
          IF YOU GO TO TEXAS NOW, THERE ARE LIKE GIGANTIC SOLAR FARMS THAT ARE BEING BUILT, AND THERE ARE NOT REALLY ANY TEXAS, UH, INCENTIVES FOR SOLAR. 
          THE, THE NUMBERS, JUST THE, SO 
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SOLAR STANDS ON ITS FEET IN MANY, MANY LOCATIONS. 
          YEAH, MUCH. 
          WHICH, UH, MY INITIAL, UH, QUESTION REGARDING THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS SO GOOD AND HELPFUL TO CONED, WHY ISN'T CONED JUST BUILDING THESE, UH, BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GONNA GIVE YOU A BETTER SINE WAVE, UH, ALL OF THIS IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF CONED. 
          I ASSUME THE ANSWER IS THEY DON'T HAVE TO PUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT IN, OR CAN'T AFFORD TO DO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. 
          THEY WOULD RATHER HAVE OTHER PEOPLE DO IT AND THEN BASICALLY, UM, PAY FOR THE ENERGY THAT COMES OUT OF THESE BATTERY STORAGE SYSTEMS. IS THAT CORRECT? NO, BECAUSE CONED, ACTUALLY, IT'S CON ED'S JOB IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SYSTEM WORKS. 
          THEY, THEY BASICALLY, UH, LIKE THE NEW YORK STOCK EXCHANGE, UH, IN THE NEW YORK STOCK EXCHANGE, YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO BUY, AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO SELL SHARES, NEW YORK STOCK EXCHANGE, NOT EITHER SIDE, RIGHT? THEY JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE MARKET WORKS. 
          AND THAT'S THE ROLE THAT THE REGULATED PART OF CONED IS, IS NOW CONED HAS A NON-REGULATED PART THAT MAY DO INVESTMENTS, BUT THERE ARE NO, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MORE PREFER DIFFERENTIAL TREATMENT, UH, RELATIVE TO, YOU KNOW, TO JAMES OR MYSELF. 
          THEY ARE AT THE SAME LEVEL. 
          SO , THE REGULATED PART DOES NOT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, HAVE ANY PARTICULAR INCENTIVE PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, UH, TREATMENT TO, TO DO THESE PROJECTS. 
          JAMES, DO YOU WANNA ADD SOMETHING? YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          AND EVERY DOLLAR THAT CON EDISON SPENDS, THEY GET A DOLLAR 10 BACK FROM US AS RATE PAYERS WHO LIVE IN NEW YORK CITY. 
          UM, BATTERIES ARE A RELATIVELY NEW TECHNOLOGY, AND CON EDISON ISN'T ALLOWED TO GO AROUND SPENDING A BUNCH OF MONEY ON BATTERIES AND THEN AUTOMATICALLY GETTING THEIR MONEY BACK WITH, WITH A RETURN FROM ALL OF US. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW, AT LEAST BATTERIES ARE SOMETHING THAT DEVELOPERS LIKE US ARE, ARE GOING TO INVEST IN, AND WE WILL EITHER MAKE A RETURN OR NOT MAKE A RETURN BASED ON WHETHER OR NOT WE DO OUR JOB RIGHT, AND, AND GET THEM IN A GOOD PLACE AND HAVE SOMETHING GOOD TO DO WITH THEM, UH, TO GET PAID. 
          AND, AND SO THE, THE PUBLIC ISN'T AT RISK FROM THAT AND, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT'S SET UP IN THAT WAY SO THAT THERE'S THESE MARKET SIGNALS THAT, THAT SAY, CONED GETS A CERTAIN VALUE FROM THESE SYSTEMS. AND SO CONED WILL PAY IF THEY'RE CITED IN THE RIGHT PLACE A CERTAIN AMOUNT FOR THE SYSTEMS. AND WHETHER THAT OR NOT, THAT'S ENOUGH TO, TO MAKE A RETURN ON THE BATTERY OR NOT, THAT'S NOT CON'S PROBLEM. 
          AND IT'S NOT THE PUBLIC'S PROBLEM EITHER. 
          IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THE, THE PRIVATE MONEY THAT WENT INTO IT, THEN THEY, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE THAT MONEY AT RISK. 
          SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS CONED HAS NOTHING TO LOSE BY YOU DOING THIS FOR AS LONG AS YOU CAN DO IT AND IT'S ECONOMICALLY VIABLE. 
          YEAH, IT'S ACTUALLY, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RATE PAYER IS GIVEN A CHOICE ULTIMATELY BETWEEN SAYING, HEY, CONED, YOU PROVIDE ME POWER, AND CONED IS GONNA SAY, OKAY, IT'S GONNA COST $50 MILLION TO BUILD THE SUBSTATION AND YOU GUYS ARE GONNA PAY FOR IT. 
          VERSUS BAIER AND JAMES ARE RUNNING AROUND FINDING SITES, PUTTING BATTERIES, AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE EQUAL OR BETTER QUALITY AT THE LOWER COST. 
          SO I THINK THESE ARE SORT OF THE TWO ALTERNATIVES THAT WILL BE EMERGING HERE FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC. 
          DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT THE LOCAL CUSTOMERS, BECAUSE OF HOW IT, THE, UM, THE WEALTH IS SHARED, SO TO SPEAK, THEY SEE A DECREASE IN THEIR, IN THEIR ELECTRIC BILLS BECAUSE OF THESE BEING INSTALLED? IF YOU, IN THE PROJECT WE DID IN YORKTOWN, WE HAVE 150 SUBSCRIBERS, AND WE OFFERED THEM A 10% DISCOUNT ON THEIR ELECTRIC BILL, WHICH THEY ARE, YEAH. 
          THEY'RE ACHIEVING 10% SAVINGS ON THE ELECTRIC BILL. 
          NOW, IS THAT BECAUSE OF BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS OR BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY SOLAR? UH, BOTH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          FOR, AND FOR OUR PROJECT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT QUITE AS DIRECT TO CONNECTION BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, UM, PARTICIPATING IN THIS COMMUNITY SOLAR PROGRAM. 
          BUT IN THE BROADER SCHEME OF THINGS, IT, IT IS TRUE TO SAY THAT IF, IF THE GOAL IS TO GET RENEWABLES INTO, INTO WESTCHESTER, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE TO BUILD THEM IN WESTCHESTER, THEN ON A, ON A HIGH, AT A HIGH LEVEL, YOU CAN HAVE BATTERIES LIKE THIS ONE, OR YOU CAN HAVE A BUNCH OF WIRES UPSTATE AND A BUNCH OF SUBSTATIONS, 
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AND THOSE WOULD ALL BE FACTORED INTO UTILITY BILLS. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          GREAT. 
          ENROLLMENT. 
          WE'RE GONNA GO TO SUPERVISOR FINDER. 
          I JUST DID WANNA QUICKLY ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, TOMMY CHESTNUT IS ON WITH US. 
          HE'S A, UH, HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT AT SCARSDALE, UH, DOING AN INTERNSHIP PROGRAM. 
          AND, UH, TOMMY'S BEEN CHECKING IN WITH ME, UH, ALMOST DAILY AND, UH, WORKING VERY HARD ON, ON A LOT OF LOCAL LAW RESEARCH. 
          SO TOMMY, UH, REALLY APPRECIATE YOU AND, UM, GLAD YOU'RE HERE, UH, SUPERVISOR. 
          FINE. 
          GREAT. 
          UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THIS IS VERY, UM, INTERESTING. 
          UM, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I, I HAD, ARE YOU INVOLVED OR AWARE OF ANY BEST INSTALLATIONS THAT ARE BUILT WITHIN ENCLOSED, UH, UTILITY SHELTERS OR, UH, BUILDINGS? I'VE SEEN, UM, SOME, UM, PHOTOS OF, UM, OTHER, UM, BATTERY STORAGE FACILITIES AND IT LOOKS REALLY PRETTY UGLY. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, SHEDS AND I'M WONDERING IF IT COULD BE CAMOUFLAGE WHILE BEING PLACED, UM, INSIDE A BUILDING. 
          NO, WE, UH, WE, I MEAN, WE ARE AT I P P, WE INSTALLED TESLA, UH, IF YOU LIKE TESLA CARS, IF YOU LIKE, YOU'RE GONNA LIKE THE TESLA BATTERIES. 
          I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY SLICK DESIGN. 
          I CAN SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES IF YOU WANT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DONE AN INSTALLATION IN YORKTOWN THAT'S, I THINK ALSO AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. 
          IF YOU, CAN YOU, DO YOU HAVE THE PHOTO ILLUSTRATION? OH, CAN I, CAN I SHARE THE SCREEN? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          YEAH. 
          YES, I WOULD BE, I WOULD BE DELIGHTED TO, TO DO THAT. 
          ALLOW ME A SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LET ME SHOW YOU A FEW PICTURES THAT I HAVE HERE. 
          UH, ONE SECOND. 
          I MIGHT WANNA MAKE 'EM A LITTLE BIGGER. 
          . 
          NO, NO, UH, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT, UH, FOLDER FOR NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          HERE IS, UH, HERE IS THE INSTALLATION WE DID IN, UH, IN YORKTOWN. 
          IT'S COMING UP. 
          HERE IS A SECOND. 
          SO WHITE. 
          YES. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE, I MEAN, FOR SAFETY REASONS, UH, THEY ASKED US TO PUT, UH, A FENCE AROUND IT, BUT THERE IS NOT COMPLICATED. 
          IT'S JUST A CONCRETE PAD, UH, WITH, UH, THESE ARE THE UNITS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, YOU HAVE 24 7, UM, ONLINE MONITORING. 
          YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS, THIS PRODUCT IS INCREDIBLY SOPHISTICATED, JUST LIKE THE CARS. 
          EVERY SINGLE LITTLE BATTERY THAT YOU CAN SEE IS JUST LIKE YOUR, UH, TRIPLE A BATTERIES IN YOUR, UH, REMOTE CONTROL. 
          UH, THEY HAVE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, 10, 20 OF THEM ARE ALL MONITORED. 
          THE TEMPERATURE IS MONITORED, THE, UH, THERE IS ANY GAS DISCHARGE OR WHATEVER, EVERYTHING IS MONITORED, AND THEY SEND SIGNALS EVERY MINUTE. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ATTACH ANY POTENTIAL ISSUES FROM THE, UH, FROM THE ONLINE MONITORING SYSTEM. 
          WE WENT BEYOND THAT PUTTING, YOU KNOW, UH, INFRARED CAMERAS AND, AND, AND, AND THEN, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS CONNECTED TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SO THAT THEY, UH, THEY CAN JUST IMMEDIATELY COME TO THE, UH, TO THE SITE IF NEEDED. 
          UH, WE TRAIN THE, UM, FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, THROUGH A SESSION. 
          THERE ARE LIKE NUMEROUS, I MEAN, SIGNAGE, THERE IS NUMEROUS. 
          I MEAN, IT'S LITERALLY WHAT YOU, YOU WILL FIND IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          NEW YORK FIRE DEPARTMENT GUIDEBOOK, UH, WE IMPLEMENTED. 
          AND, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I HAD THE SAME SORT OF CONVERSATION WITH THE YORKTOWN TOWN BOARD. 
          AND THE BEGINNING, EVERYONE WAS VERY SKEPTICAL, BUT IN THE END THEY WERE SUPER PLEASED. 
          AND, UH, THEY WANNA, THEY, THEY WANT US TO DO MORE. 
          IN FACT, IF, UM, IF, UM, LET'S SAY THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, OR THE TOWN BOARD WOULD WANT IT ENCLOSED, IS THERE ANY, YOU KNOW, IN, IN INSIDE A BUILDING, UM, FOR AESTHETIC PURPOSES? I'M NOT SAYING THEY WOULD, OR, YOU KNOW, WOULDN'T, IS THERE ANY, UH, SAFETY ISSUES IF YOU PUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN A, IN A BUILDING BECAUSE THAT WOULD SORT OF CHANGE, THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE THE FENCING AND, UM, IT MAY BE MORE AESTHETICALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, PLEASING. 
          ACTUALLY, UH, UNFORTUNATELY IT'S AT THIS POINT, AT THIS POINT OF WHERE THE TECHNOLOGY IS, IT'S NOT RECOMMENDED FOR THIS SIZE INSTALLATION TO BE, UH, INDOOR. 
          UH, THEY, UH, IT'S BETTER TO PUT IT OUTDOOR, UH, JUST AWAY FROM EVERYTHING. 
          UH, THAT'S THE SAFEST CLAY, BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A SMALL 
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CHANCE, UH, I'M NOT GONNA DENY IT. 
          NOTHING IS A HUNDRED PERCENT THAT YOU CAN HAVE BUILDUP OF GAS, AND YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE A BUILDUP OF GAS IN THE BASEMENT OF A BUILDING OR A WAREHOUSE. 
          'CAUSE IF THERE IS A SPARKLE OF SOME SORT, THEN YOU CAN HAVE REALLY A SERIOUS ISSUE. 
          WHEREAS WHEN IT'S OUTDOOR LIKE THIS, IT JUST, YOU KNOW, DISSIPATES. 
          AND EVEN IF YOU HAVE A, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A FIRE, UH, GOD FORBID, UH, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE EASILY CIRCUMSTANCE SCRIBE LIKE THIS AS OPPOSED TO, UH, AN INDOOR INSTALLATION. 
          JUST ONE LAST NOTE. 
          YOU CAN DO IT FOR RESIDENTIAL. 
          I THINK FOR RESIDENTIAL IT'S OKAY, BUT FOR COMMERCIAL, THIS SIDE, IT'S BETTER TO BE OUTSIDE. 
          HAVE THERE BEEN ANY FIRES IN IT, UH, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, DIAZ LEAKS, UM, IN ANY OF YOUR, UH, UH, OTHER BATTERY, UH, FACILITIES? UH, NO, UH, IN TRUTHFULLY, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS OUR, UH, EARLY INSTALLATION. 
          UH, WE, UM, OBVIOUSLY SPENT A, A LOT OF TIME TO REALLY UNDERSTAND, UH, ALL THE, UH, THE RISKS AND FIND MITIGATING FACTORS. 
          UH, LET ME JUST BE VERY STRAIGHT UP WITH YOU IF YOU HAVE, UH, ANY ISSUE WITH THIS. 
          AND IF THIS THING NEEDS TO GO, GO ON FIRE. 
          THIS PRODUCT HAS BEEN DESIGNED WITH A, WITH A VENT ON THE TOP. 
          AND ESSENTIALLY IF YOU HAVE PRESSURE INSIDE THE CABINET, THE TOP IS GONNA GO. 
          AND IF THERE ARE FLAMES, IT'S ALL GONNA GO UP VERTICALLY. 
          IT'S BEEN DESIGNED NOT TO HAVE ANYTHING COMING FROM THE SIDE. 
          AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE FLAME OR ANY, ANY PROJECTION FROM, UH, TO THE TOP, IT'S A LOT SAFER. 
          NOW, UH, A BATTERY IS STORING ENERGY. 
          YOU HAVE TWO WAYS TO DISCHARGE THAT ENERGY. 
          YOU CAN EITHER DISCHARGE IT, UH, WITH ELECTRONS GOING THROUGH THE WIRES, OR YOU HAVE A FIRE EVENT. 
          BUT IF IT STORES A LOT OF ENERGY, YOU CANNOT, IF IT GOES ON FIRE, YOU HAVE A VERY LITTLE CHANCE OF, UH, EXTINGUISHING IT BECAUSE THAT ENERGY HAS TO EVENTUALLY GO SOMEWHERE. 
          SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          UH, AND THAT'S HOW, THAT'S WHAT THE MANUFACTURER IS SAYING. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOU CAN ASK THE NEW YORK, UH, CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          YOU JUST HAVE TO LET IT, UH, BURN LIKE A CANDLE. 
          AND EVENTUALLY, UH, ALL THAT ENERGY IS GONNA GO AWAY. 
          AND, UH, AND IT WILL BE, IT WILL BE DONE. 
          BUT THE, THE KEY IS TO HAVE ENOUGH DISTANCE, UH, TO HAVE A FIRE HYDRANT. 
          WE HAVE A FIRE HYDRANT HERE, AND IF YOU HAVE FIREFIGHTERS, THEY CAN JUST BE AROUND IT WITH, UH, WITH WATER, NO OTHER PRODUCT WATER. 
          UH, SO MAKE SURE THAT THE FIRE DOESN'T GO BEYOND THAT PERIMETER. 
          AND IF YOU JUST DO THAT, THEN IT WILL JUST CONSUME ITSELF. 
          AND AFTER A WHILE, IT'S JUST THAT IT WILL BE DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE THERE TOXIC FUMES ON THE FIRE? THEY COULD BE, THEY COULD BE TOXIC FUMES. 
          UH, THAT'S WHY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO COME WITH, UH, THEIR OWN GEAR. 
          UH, BUT AGAIN, IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO UP AND IF YOU ARE NOT CLOSE, UH, YOU SHOULD BE OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHY WE PUT DISPENSE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T GET TOO CLOSE. 
          UM, UM, YOU KNOW, I HAVE JUST ONE OTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, QUESTION, JUST HOLD ON FOR A SECOND. 
          UM, WHAT SIZE IS THAT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE SCREEN? UH, IT'S, YOU SEE, IT'S, UH, LITERALLY TWO PARKING LOTS WIDE BY MEANING WHAT? MEGAWATTS OR KILOWATTS? OH, THIS IS, THIS IS A 480 ISH KILOWATTS VERSUS, UH, TWO MEGAWATT HOUR OR 1.8 MEGAWATT HOURS. 
          SO IT'S, UH, IT'S PROBABLY, UH, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SUPER LARGE. 
          IT'S IT'S COMMERCIAL SIZE AS OPPOSED TO WHAT JAMES IS DOING, WHICH IS MORE INDUSTRIAL SIZE. 
          UM, ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, UH, TESLA, UH, LITHIUM ION BASED, UH, BEST, UH, FACILITY PROPOSALS HAVE BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE GOLD STANDARD OF THE TECHNOLOGY AND IT'S PREVALENT IN IN NEW YORK STATE. 
          IS THERE ANOTHER, UM, ORAL ALTERNATIVE BEST FACILITY, UH, MANUFACTURER THAT YOU WOULD FEEL IS ACCEPTABLE, UH, FOR THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES YOU PROPOSE IN LOCALITIES IN NEW YORK STATE? 
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UH, SO LET ME EXPLAIN WHY WE PICKED TESLA. 
          UH, AND WE PICKED TESLA, UH, A YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS AGO. 
          THAT WAS ACTUALLY NOT AT THE TIME AN OBVIOUS CHOICE BECAUSE THEY WERE CLOSE TO BANKRUPTCY, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE GONNA GO DOWN, BUT WE LOOKED AT THE NUMBER OF OTHER MANUFACTURERS WHO COME, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH A CONTAINER BASED, UH, INSTALLATION. 
          UM, THE PROBLEM WITH BATTERIES IS THAT YOU HAVE LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT NEED TO WORK TOGETHER, AND NOT ALL MANUFACTURERS MAKE ALL THE PIECES TO MAKE THE, THE WHOLE THING WORK TOGETHER. 
          AND THE ONLY GUYS WE COULD FIND AT THE TIME WHO, UH, WHO DO THIS IS REALLY TESLA. 
          AND, UH, NOW OF COURSE YOU HAVE SAMSUNG, LG, AND A BUNCH OF OTHER GREAT COMPANIES OUT THERE WHO ARE CONSTANTLY IMPROVING THINGS. 
          I CAN'T SAY, UH, NOTHING EXISTS IN THE MARKET NOW THAT IS, UH, AS GOOD, UH, I DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION. 
          UH, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASK, PERHAPS JAMES CAN HELP JAMES, OTHER GUYS. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          WE, WE, WE EVALUATE MANY DIFFERENT, UH, MANY DIFFERENT PRODUCTS THAT ARE ON THE MARKET, AND WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT. 
          UH, AND, UM, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT ARE, ARE THERE OTHER PRODUCTS THAT CAN BE INSTALLED SAFELY? YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          THERE ARE. 
          UM, AND, AND WE WORK WITH MANY DIFFERENT INTEGRATORS THAT, UH, THAT DO THAT PUT OUT GOOD PRODUCTS. 
          UM, WE CHOSE TESLA BECAUSE, UH, FIRST OF ALL, AS AZZIER SAID, UM, BECAUSE THEY INTEGRATE THE PRODUCTS THEMSELVES, THAT'S, IT'S ONE FEWER MANUFACTURER THAT WE NEED TO VET, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING INTO THE PRODUCT. 
          BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO THINGS BEYOND SAFETY THAT RIGHT NOW TESLA'S, MEGAPACK HAS THE ADVANTAGE ON, FOR EXAMPLE, NOISE. 
          UH, TESLA'S VERY QUIET PRODUCT. 
          AND SO WE, WE WANNA INSTALL SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE QUIET AND THAT IS GONNA BE NOT, UH, DISRUPTIVE TO, UM, THE SURROUNDING AREA. 
          UH, THINGS LIKE FOOTPRINT, UH, THE EQUIVALENT TESLA SYSTEM CAN BE SMALLER FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF CAPACITY THAN SOME OF THE OTHER PRODUCTS. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THAT WILL ALWAYS BE THE CASE. 
          YOU KNOW, THE OTHER, THE OTHER MANUFACTURERS ARE CONTINUING TO INNOVATE. 
          AND IF WE WERE GOING DOWN THIS PROCESS THREE YEARS FROM NOW, WE MAY VERY WELL CHOOSE A DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT MANUFACTURER IF TESLA'S LATEST PRODUCT ISN'T, ISN'T, UH, EQUIVALENT. 
          SO WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS LIKE, RATHER THAN THINKING ABOUT WHICH MANUFACTURERS YOU WANT OR DON'T WANT, LIKE, THINK ABOUT THE CRITERIA THAT, THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO YOU, WHETHER IT'S NOISE OR WHETHER IT'S OBVIOUSLY SAFETY FEATURES THAT ARE, THAT ARE NECESSARY. 
          AND, UM, IF A MANUFACTURER CAN MEET THOSE CRITERIA, THEN THAT'S GREAT. 
          THEY CAN BE INSTALLED, BUT OTHERWISE THEY, THEY CAN'T. 
          I, I HAD A FOLLOW UP QUESTION. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, ABOUT PLACING, UH, THESE ON FACILITIES AND, UM, SHOPPING CENTERS, BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TOXIC FUMES BEFORE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, CONCERN PEOPLE HAVE AS NOT TOO CLOSE TO, UM, PEOPLE'S HOMES. 
          UM, IS IT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE IT IN A SHOPPING CENTER THAT IS CLOSE TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA, UM, IS THAT POTENTIALLY A SAFETY, UH, YOU KNOW, RISK IN CASE, YOU KNOW, I, THERE'S STILL A REMOTE CHANCE THAT IT COULD BE, UH, UH, TOXIC FUMES. 
          THE, THE TOXIC FUMES ARE REALLY TAKING PLACE WHEN YOU HAVE A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE. 
          AND IF YOU HAVE A SERIOUS ISSUE WITH TOXIC FUMES, AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE 500 FEET AWAY IF YOU ARE JUST FEW FEET AWAY. 
          AND I THINK WE, UH, PICKED THE DISTANCE OF THE FENCE BASED ON WHAT THE MANUFACTURER AND CODE AND SO ON, UH, RECOMMENDED. 
          SO IF YOU ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, AWAY FROM THE, THE UNITS WHERE THE FENCES ARE, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE TOXIC TEAMS. BUT IF THERE, THERE'S STILL A POSSIBILITY THAT THERE COULD BE A PROBLEM, RIGHT? A REMOTE POSSIBILITY. 
          I'M SORRY, THERE'S A REMOTE POSSIBILITY THAT THERE COULD BE A PROBLEM. 
          NOT A LIKELY, BUT A REMOTE ONE. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THAT IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, THE ONLINE MONITORING, UH, ALL THE SENSORS ARE GOING TO INDICATE THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE, THERE ARE GOING TO BE ALARMS INDICATING THAT YOU HAVE EITHER TOXIC FUMES OR YOU HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME THERMAL RUNAWAY, ALL KINDS OF ISSUES. 
          AND THEN AT THAT POINT IN TIME, OBVIOUSLY, UH, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE IS SENT, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT CAN BE SENT ON SITE AND NO ONE CAN GET CLOSE 
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TO THE UNITS TO, TO BE IMPACTED BY, BY THOSE UNITS. 
          IF IF THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A, A TOXIC, YOU KNOW, A, A REMOTE CHANCE OF THERE'S A, UM, YOU KNOW, A PROBLEM, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW HOW QUICKLY DOES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAVE TO RESPOND TO AVOID SO PEOPLE, SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY HEALTH RISKS TO RESIDENTS TO LIVE NEAR THERE? UH, LIKE I'M SAYING, IF IT'S A, I MEAN, IS THERE LIKE A TIME WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WAIT, LIKE, IF IT'S A, IF IT TAKES 'EM FIVE MINUTES OR IF THEY'RE HAVING ANOTHER CALL, UM, DOES THAT, UH, CREATE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL RISKS OR DO THEY HAVE LIKE FIVE MINUTES AND IF, YOU KNOW, THEY GET THERE IN FIVE MINUTES OR 10 MINUTES OR WHATEVER, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PROBLEMS. I, I THINK AT THE TIME WHEN WE WERE ASKED THAT QUESTION, THE ANSWER WAS THAT IT'S NO WORSE THAN ANY OTHER FIRE THAT YOU HAVE. 
          IN FACT, IF YOU HAVE A BUILDING ON FIRE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, I, I CAN'T TELL YOU REALLY PRECISELY, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, PRESUMABLY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, IF THEY RECEIVE THE SIGNAL, SHOULD BE ON SITE RELATIVELY QUICKLY. 
          AND IF THEY DON'T YEAH. 
          AND PEOPLE ARE JUST, UH, GOING TO, TO THE LOCATION, YOU KNOW, WHO MAY HAVE ISSUES. 
          BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE PICK ON OUR CASE, UH, UH, A LOCATION THAT IS AWAY FROM, FROM PEOPLE IN THE BACK, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH SIGNAGE AND SO ON, SO THAT NO ONE WHO IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE IS NOT THERE. 
          SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE, THAT THE, THAT THE F THAT IF THERE WERE TOXIC FUMES, THAT THE TOXICITY OF THOSE FUMES IS NO WORSE THAN YOUR AVERAGE BURNING BUILDING? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND, AND SO IN TERMS OF YOUR AVERAGE BURNING BUILDING, THOSE FUMES GET CAUGHT UP IN THE WIND AND CAN TRAVEL FROM MILES AROUND. 
          ARE YOU SAYING, ARE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THIS IS THE SAME TYPE OF SITUATION? I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT NECESSARILY WORSE. 
          I MEAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY SUPPLY THE, UH, THE DETAILS OF WHAT THE MANUFACTURER HAS IN ITS, UH, IN ITS, UH, MANUAL IN TERMS OF WHAT COMPONENTS YOU HAVE IN THE, IN THE MIX. 
          UM, AND, UH, BUT AGAIN, IF YOU ARE, UH, FOLLOWING THE PROCEDURES, THERE IS PROPER SIGNAGE, FENCING, UH, ALARMS, IF ALL, EVERYTHING, AND IN NEW YORK CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE GUIDEBOOK SAYS IT, YOU NEED TO HAVE, UH, AN INSPECTION TWICE A YEAR. 
          THEY WANT AN INSPECTION ONCE A YEAR, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WORKS. 
          IF, IF THINGS, IF PEOPLE DO THIS RIGHT, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'RE GONNA BE FINE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , SO THERE WAS A, UM, THERE WAS A FIRE AT A BATTERY INSTALLATION IN ARIZONA. 
          I THINK MOST ARE AWARE OF THAT. 
          WE'VE DISCUSSED IT PREVIOUSLY. 
          THEY DID A STUDY AFTER THAT EVENT TO DETERMINE, UM, WHETHER OR NOT ANY TOXIC GASES OR OTHER, UH, PARTICLES ESCAPED THE SYSTEM IN ANY KIND OF QUANTITY THAT COULD BE HARMFUL TO, TO PASSERSBY. 
          AND THEY DETERMINED THAT THEY, THEY DID NOT, THERE WERE NO, WHAT THEY CALLED CONTAMINANTS OF CONCERN, UH, THAT ESCAPED THE, THE FACILITY THAT THE ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM WAS LOCATED ON, AND THAT WAS AT AN ACTUAL FIRE EVENT MM-HMM. 
          . 
          UM, BUT IT HASN'T, TESLA SAID IN THE PAST THAT CIVILIANS ARE AT DANGER FROM TOXIC FUMES. 
          I THINK, AND I REMEMBER READING SOMETHING, I THINK THAT THE, WHAT, WHAT I'LL SAY IS THAT OUR, THE, OUR PROPOSED SYSTEM, THE DISTANCE FROM A BUILDING, THERE'S NO WAY THAT ANYONE IN THOSE BUILDINGS COULD POTENTIALLY BE HARMED BY TOXIC FUMES THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK, AND WE WILL WORK WITH, UM, THE COUNTRY CLUB TO MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY IS IN THAT PARKING LOT LOOKING INTO THE FENCE AS THE SYSTEM BURNS. 
          BUT BEYOND THAT TYPE OF BEHAVIOR, UM, IT SHOULDN'T, IT SHOULDN'T CAUSE ANY KIND OF, UH, HARM TO ANY, ANY PASSERS BY RIGHT. 
          WHO DID THE, SAY THE SYSTEM BURDEN? WHO DID THE STUDY? I CAN CHECK ON THAT. 
          IT WAS A CONSULTING ENGINEER THAT THEY PAID TO BASICALLY DO A, A, A RETROACTIVE, UM, AN EVALUATION OF, OF THAT EVENT. 
          AND MY POINT WAS, YOU, YOU SAID, WHEN THE SYSTEM BURNS, LIKE AS IF IT'S A FOREGOING CONCLUSION, AT SOME POINT IT WILL, IT SHOULD, SORRY. 
          SHOULD, SHOULD THE SYSTEM BURN? SHOULD THE SYSTEM BURN, YEAH. 
          AND IN TERMS OF JUST, UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE, THE, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO, UH, REFLECT ON THE COMMENTS THAT PEOPLE HAVE, YOU KNOW, CONTACTED ME, YOU KNOW, ABOUT, SO, YOU KNOW, UH, THE MAJOR CONCERN REALLY THAT SOME RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY NEAR THE SHOPPING CENTERS, 
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UM, YOU KNOW, HAS, IS, UM, REALLY SAFETY. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY HAS SAID, YOU KNOW, IF THEY, IF THERE'S A PROBLEM AT A SHOPPING CENTER, DOES IT PROTECT, UH, IF THERE'S TOXIC FUMES, UH, DOES IT PROTECT THE, THE SHOPPERS? AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THE TOWN BOARD WANTS TO DO IS, UM, RETAIN THE SERVICES OF AN EXPERT WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, INDEPENDENTLY, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT ASSOCIATED, UM, WITH, WITH TESLA, UM, OR THE APPLICANT DETERMINED THAT THERE'S NO SAFETY, YOU KNOW, SAFETY RISK. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE, AS YOU KNOW, I'VE ADVOCATED A MORATORIUM. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS IS BECAUSE I WANNA BE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE I GIVE A STAMP OF APPROVAL FOR OR AGAINST, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT, I REALLY WANNA FEEL THAT I DID MY DUE DILIGENCE AND I WANT TO BE LIKE A HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAIN THAT WHAT I DO, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT I'VE BEEN EXTRA, YOU KNOW, EXTRA CAREFUL. 
          AND I DON'T LOOK BACK, YOU KNOW, YEARS FROM NOW AND SAY, OH, I, I'M, DO MY DUE DILIGENCE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ONE OF THE REASONS I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THE MORATORIUM, YOU WANNA HAVE A COMMITTEE, UH, UH, OF CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH A TOWN ON THIS IS BECAUSE I FEEL THAT, UM, IF EVERYBODY'S IN PARTNERSHIP IN RURAL, UH, DOING THE RESEARCH TOGETHER, UM, AND HAVING A DIALOGUE, UH, IT'S NOT GONNA BE US VERSUS THEM. 
          WE'RE JUST GETTING THE FACTS. 
          AND, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I FEEL IT'S MORE INFORMAL AND I FEEL THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, MORE QUICKLY REACH A CONSENSUS. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST MY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MY FEELING BASED ON, YOU KNOW, MY, MY EXPERIENCES DEALING WITH OTHER APPLICATIONS IN THE PAST. 
          SO, ON THAT NOTE, I JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DO INTEND TO, UH, BRING IN, UH, NYSERDA REPRESENTATIVE, UH, FOR SIMILAR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ABSOLUTELY COORDINATING, UH, FIRE SAFETY, UH, ENGINEER INDEPENDENT TO, TO GET THOSE TYPES OF IMPORTANT QUESTIONS ANSWERED. 
          SO, UM, UH, CAN I JUST INTERJECT AGAIN? SURE, PLEASE DO. 
          UM, SO YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE ARIZONA FIRE. 
          WAS THAT A TESLA FACILITY? NO, IT WAS NOT. 
          TESLA'S NEVER HAD A FIRE AT ANY OF THEIR FACILITIES THAT I'M AWARE OF. 
          AND, AND, AND DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY FACILITIES TESLA DOES HAVE NATIONWIDE? THEY HAVE THOUSANDS OF THEIR RESIDENTIAL SCALE FACILITIES. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE SOMEWHERE ON THE ORDER OF A HUNDRED OF THE FACILITIES THAT THAT ZIAR, UM, SHOWED, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT EXACT NUMBER IN FRONT OF ME. 
          UM, SOUND BOARD MEETING NOW. 
          AND HOW ABOUT OF THE 20 MEGAWATT RANGE OF THAT RANGE? FIVE TO SIX RIGHT NOW IN THIS COUNTRY, BUT PROBABLY MORE LIKE 20 AROUND THE WORLD. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THE ARIZONA ONE, WHICH WAS NOT A TESLA FACILITY, UH, YOU MENTIONED THAT THEY DID NOT FIND THAT THE PEOPLE WERE EXPOSED TO TOXIC. 
          DID THEY FIND OUT WHAT CAUSED IT? WHAT CAUSED THE FIRE? UM, IT'S, I I WOULD SAY IT'S STILL, THERE'S STILL SOME UNCERTAINTY AROUND THAT, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE A COMBINATION OF A FEW DIFFERENT FAILURES. 
          SOME AROUND, UM, THE MANUFACTURING OF THE CELLS, SOME AROUND THE INTEGRATION OF THE CELLS, MEANING HOW THEY PUT THEM TOGETHER INTO THE CONTAINER AND SOME AROUND THE OPERATION OF THE SYSTEM. 
          UM, SO IT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE ARE GOING WITH TESLA RIGHT NOW IS THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH THE MANUFACTURER AND THE INTEGRATOR, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT SCOPE BREAK. 
          AND SO WE BELIEVE THAT THAT MAKES IT, UM, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE BELIEVE THE TESLA SYSTEM TO BE, TO BE THE SAFEST ON THE MARKET RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, I WILL ALSO SAY THAT THE ARIZONA SYSTEM WAS A WALK-IN CONTAINER TYPE SYSTEM, WHICH, UH, AS MAAR POINTED OUT, THERE ARE SPECIFIC SAFETY CONCERNS AROUND THOSE TYPES OF SYSTEMS BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL FOR GAS TO BUILD UP INSIDE OF THEM, AND THEN FOR THE POTENTIAL FOR PEOPLE TO WALK INSIDE TO TRY TO, FOR MAINTEN EASIER TO PUT OUT THE FIRE OR WHATEVER. 
          AND, AND, UM, THE CABINET BASED SYSTEMS THAT TESLA IS PROVIDING DON'T ALLOW FOR THAT. 
          AND SO THEY'RE INTRINSICALLY SAFER, UM, THAN THE WALK-IN CONTAINERS. 
          UH, IF I CAN ADD, UH, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE ARIZONA EVENT AND THE PAST TWO, THREE YEARS, YOU HAVE HAD AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF IMPROVEMENT AND, OR, OR I SHOULD SAY, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS BY THE REGULATORS TO AVOID THAT KIND OF ISSUE BETWEEN THE NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE, THE, THE, UH, THE I F C, THE, THE FIRE CODE, AND THEN EVERY STATE AND PARTICULARLY NEW YORK CITY. 
          AND I SAW THEY ALL CAME UP WITH LIKE, LOTS OF NEW LAYERS OF SAFETY FEATURES THAT I WOULD 
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HAVE TO SAY THAT THE, WHAT HAPPENED THEN IN ARIZONA CANNOT POSSIBLY HAPPEN NOW. 
          UH, SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, BECAUSE THE BODY OF THE DESKTOP BATTERIES, UH, IS, IS, IS THE WAY IT'S BEEN DESIGNED, IS SO THAT IF THERE IS A PRESSURE BUILDUP, IT'S JUST GONNA GO OUT FROM THE TOP AND THEN IT'S JUST GONNA CONSUME ITSELF. 
          SO THERE ARE VIDEOS OUT THERE, WE CAN SEND YOU LINKS OF, UH, HOW THIS WORKS. 
          PEOPLE TOOK HAMMERS, HITTING THE, THE BATTERIES TRYING TO CREATE THAT KIND OF EVENT WHERE THEY WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL. 
          AGAIN, REMEMBER, LET'S ALL REMEMBER THAT WE ALL CARRY A CELL PHONE IN OUR HAND, UH, AND IN OUR POCKET. 
          IT'S ALSO LITHIUM BATTERIES, AND THEN THE PEOPLE WHO DRIVE ELECTRIC CARS, WHO ALSO CONTAIN A, A LOT OF BATTERIES IN THERE. 
          SO I THINK THAT, UH, PERHAPS THAT CAN GIVE US ALL PERSPECTIVE ON, ON, ON THAT. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, ON THE, ON THE SIDE, I HAD ANOTHER QUE ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? UM, YES. 
          UH, ONE OF, UH, SOMEBODY HAD CALLED ME A COUPLE SECONDS AGO, WANTED TO KNOW IF, WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S LIGHTNING OR WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S AN EARTHQUAKE? DO YOU HAVE A LIGHTNING ROD? THEY JUST CALLED A FEW SECONDS AGO. 
          SO IT'S GROUNDED. 
          SO IF THERE IS ANY, UH, LIGHTNING, YES. 
          UH, YEAH, IT'S SUPPOSED TO. 
          YEAH, IT'S GROUNDED. 
          SO YOU ARE NOT GONNA HAVE, UH, ANY, ANY ISSUE IF YOU HAVE, UH, I MEAN, IF IT'S DONE PROPERLY, AND IF IT'S INSPECTED AND THE INSPECTOR FINDS THAT IT'S BEEN INSTALLED, UH, IT'S SUPPOSED TO, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A ANY ISSUE EARTHQUAKE. 
          UM, YOU'LL HAVE A, YOU CAN SEE YOU'LL HAVE A CONCRETE PAD ON WHICH THE, UH, UNIT IS, UH, SITTING, AND THAT THING IS 50,000 POUNDS. 
          SO YOU REALLY NEED A BIG EARTHQUAKE TO MAKE IT MOVE. 
          WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER BIG, UH, BIG EARTHQUAKE? UH, YOU KNOW, I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON EARTHQUAKES, SO I CAN'T TELL YOU, BUT, UM, YOU REALLY NEED TO HAVE VERY, UH, SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNTS OF, UH, TYPE FORCE, UH, YOU KNOW, , BECAUSE I THINK THIS AREA IS ON AN EARTHQUAKE FAULT, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, I HAD ACTUALLY AN EARTHQUAKE, UH, I DON'T MEAN A VERY MINOR ONE. 
          UM, UH, AND ODDLY, IN FACT, I, I, I REMEMBER, UM, UM, THE GAMUT PAPER, THE HEADLINE WAS, IT WAS LEYS FAULT. 
          UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I'LL NEVER FORGET THAT, BUT, UM, I THINK THERE WERE LIKE TWO VERY MINOR, UH, EARTHQUAKES, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN RECENT YEARS. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I REMEMBER BECAUSE I WAS, UM, CONCERNED ABOUT INDIAN POINT, AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD SAID AT THAT POINT THAT THIS AREA WAS DUE FOR A MAJOR EARTHQUAKE SOMETIME. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT MILLION YEARS, AND I'M IN THE NEAR FUTURE, BUT I, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WANNA HAVE, HAVE, UM, AN INDEPENDENT CONSULTANT, AND I WANNA REALLY RESEARCH IT. 
          I WANNA HAVE LIKE EVERY SINGLE POTENTIAL QUESTION, YOU KNOW, ANSWERED. 
          AND I WANNA BE ABLE TO LOOK PEOPLE IN THE EYE AND SAY, LISTEN, WE'VE DONE OUR RESEARCH. 
          WE, UH, WE'VE ANALYZED THIS, UM, AND THESE ARE INDEPENDENT, UH, ANALYSISES, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE REACTING BASED ON EMOTION RATHER THAN ON FACTS. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT'S REALLY THE REASON WHY I'VE BEEN PUSHING FOR A MORATORIUM. 
          SO THE, I'M REALLY TRYING TO, UM, GET, GET TO THE ACCIDENT DATA AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S HELPFUL THAT YOU DON'T KNOW OF ANY ACCIDENT, UM, FIRE THAT THE TESLA SYSTEMS HAVE HAD, BUT PRESUMABLY SINCE ALL OF THESE ARE GOING TO SOME MONITORING STATION AND THERE'S OVERSIGHT AND REGULATIONS THAT MUST BE KNOWABLE DATA AS TO WHETHER OR NOT TESLA HAS HAD AN ACCIDENT. 
          AND IF SO, HOW MANY AND WHAT WAS THE OCCURRENCE? WHERE WOULD WE GO TO LOOK FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? IS THERE A REGULATORY AGENCY OR IS, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT'S PUBLISHED THAT WE COULD HAVE SOME ASSURANCE AS TO WHAT THEIR ACCIDENT HISTORY IS OR IS NOT? UM, I, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY CENTRALIZED DATABASE FOR THAT. 
          UM, I CAN ASK TESLA OUR CONTACTS AT TESLA, IF THEY HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOW TO VERIFY THAT CLAIM. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF PUBLICITY TESLA GETS EVERY DAY, IT WOULD BE HARD TO IMAGINE THAT IF YOU HAD SUCH AN ISSUE, IT WOULD NOT BE ON THE FRONT PAGE OF EVERY NEWSPAPER. 
          WELL, I AGREE. 
          THAT'S WHY IT COULD BE NOBLE THEN, BECAUSE EVERYONE WANTS TO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UH, 
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I PERSONALLY AM A FAN OF, UH, ELON MUSK, BUT HE HAS ALSO A LOT OF ANTI FANS. 
          I'M SURE THAT IF THEY CAN PICK ON HIM, THEY WILL, UH, EASILY DO THAT. 
          SO WE HAVE NOT, WE'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY ACCIDENTS. 
          WE'LL ALSO POSE THAT TO OUR SERTA CONTACTS AND, UM, OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR, UM, IF HE HAS ANY CODE ENFORCEMENT, UM, CONTACTS THAT HE CAN REACH OUT TO, UH, WE'LL DEFINITELY SEEK OUT THAT, THAT THAT HISTORY THAT, THAT YOU AND, AND GARRETT ONE O YOU HAVE SOME OTHER, OBVIOUSLY SAFETY MECHANISMS. UH, YOU KNOW, THE BATTERY PROJECT BENEFITS FROM SERTA'S INCENTIVES. 
          SO IF WE DON'T DO THE INSTALLATION AS PER, UH, YOU KNOW, REQUIREMENTS, WE DON'T GET THE NYSERDA MONEY. 
          AND AFTER WE DID OUR INSTALLATION IN YORKTOWN, WE HAD, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD NOT BELIEVE HOW MANY INSPECTION WE HAD. 
          WE HAD INSPECTION FROM THE TOWN, WE HAD INSPECTION FROM THE BANK WHO WAS, UH, FUNDING THE PROJECT. 
          WE HAD INSPECTION FROM NYSERDA, AND THEY JUST WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE. 
          AND IF WE FAILED, THEY WOULD NOT GIVE US THE MONEY. 
          AND OF COURSE, CON EDISON HAD TO APPROVE THE PROJECT AS WELL, AND THEY HAD THEIR, UH, I, I CAN'T SAY THEY DID AN INSPECTION OF THE BATTERIES. 
          WELL, THEY HAVE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS OF THEIR OWN, UH, MEDICINE, BUT NOT, I THINK, FOR SAFETY REASONS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WELL, THIS IS, UH, VERY INFORMATIVE. 
          UM, ARE THERE ANY LAST QUESTIONS BEFORE THE BOARD, UM, AT THIS MOMENT? OKAY. 
          UM, SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS STAFF, WE'RE GONNA COORDINATE WITH NYSERDA AND THE, UH, FIRE SAFETY EXPERT. 
          AND, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY NEXT TUESDAY, BUT WE WILL SEEK TO GET OUR NYSERDA REP IN NEXT TUESDAY AND KEEP YOU INFORMED. 
          UH, JAMES AND ARD, THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. 
          UM, AND I, I BELIEVE MAAR WILL NOW DO A PRESENTATION, UM, SITE SPECIFIC. 
          UM, JAMES, YOU ARE WELCOME TO STAY, BUT, UH, I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          CAN I JUST, YOU KNOW, MENTION, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA BE LIKE A PAIN IN THE NECK, UH, OR, BUT, YOU KNOW, I REALLY FEEL, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, TO ME, EVERY TIME I'VE WORKED WITH CITIZENS COMMITTEES, I'VE ALWAYS FELT THAT, UM, THE PROCESS HAS BEEN MUCH MORE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE IT'S MORE INFORMAL. 
          UH, THERE'S MORE GIVE AND TAKE, THERE'S MORE OF A DIALOGUE. 
          UM, AND WHEN WE'VE WORKED, UH, YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO I USED TO HAVE DEPUTY SUPERVISORS, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS EARLY IN MY CAREER, AND WE ALWAYS WERE ABLE TO REACH, YOU KNOW, CONSENSUSES AND I FEEL, YOU KNOW, REALLY STRONGLY THAT ON, ON THIS PROJECT, THE TOWN BOARD SHOULD CREATE, UM, A FORMAL COMMITTEE, UM, THAT CONSISTS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THE AREA, PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THIS. 
          UM, AND I FEEL THAT THEY SHOULD MEET, YOU KNOW, WITH THE APPLICANTS, THEY SHOULD, UM, UM, BE PART OF THE, THE, YOU KNOW, ALMOST HELP HELP US SELECT THE CONSULTANTS BECAUSE I FEEL, YOU KNOW, FIND OUT ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY WANT ANSWERED. 
          BECAUSE I FEEL THAT IF THEY'RE PART OF THE PROCESS AND, UH, AND WE INVITE THEM TO BE PARTNERS, I FEEL THAT THERE'S A BETTER CHANCE THAT, UH, THEY WILL SUPPORT THE CONCLUSIONS. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, SO WHEN I'M SUGGESTING LIKE A MORATORIUM, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, COULD BE FOUR MONTHS OR WHATEVER, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND A COMMITTEE, I, I FEEL SO STRONGLY THAT IF WE DID THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A GOOD LOCAL LAW, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE THE FACTS, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ANALYZE THE PLUSES AND, AND MINUSES. 
          AND I, I REALLY HOPE THE, THE BOARD WILL, UM, WILL CONSIDER, UH, YOU KNOW, THE RECOMMENDATION. 
          YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE ON THIS, YOU KNOW, NOBODY, THEY'RE NOT OBSTRUCTIONISTS. 
          THEY BASICALLY JUST WANT INFORMATION. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I FEEL JUST, I JUST REALLY WANT AND INCLUDE EVERY, AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE, UM, IN, IN THE PROCESS, IN A CONSTRUCTIVE MANNER. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR LONG-TERM DELAYS. 
          I WANNA, I'M LOOKING FOR LIKE A SHORT, LIKE, MAYBE FOUR MONTH IN A PROCESS. 
          AND I, I THINK WE COULD GET ANSWERS IN, IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME, RIGHT? BUT LET'S JUST BE CLEAR THAT WE WERE, WE WERE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          YOU GAVE US A LIST OF NAMES OF PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE ON THE COMMITTEE THAT I THINK SHOULD BE ON. 
          AND WE PUT IT ON, WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, AND ONCE THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED, PEOPLE EMAILED US AND SAID, I DON'T WANT 
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MY NAME ON THERE. 
          I DON'T WANT MY NAME ON THERE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, AND MEANWHILE, WE'RE, WE'RE CONCENTRATING ON CREATING A COMMITTEE AS OPPOSED TO GETTING INFORMATION. 
          AND THERE'S NOTHING REALLY BEING DONE ON THE LOCAL LAW. 
          IT'S, IT'S IN CREATING A MORATORIUM AND YOU, YOU CREATE A COMMITTEE. 
          UH, AND, AND, AND, AND FRANKLY, I'M GETTING CONCERNED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HEAR, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE YOU ADVICE UNLESS I'M ON A FORMAL COMMITTEE, BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT MY LIABILITY IN MAKING A RECOMMENDATION. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR, YOUR HEALTH ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS THAT, AND IF, UNLESS YOU KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE ON THAT COMMITTEE, VERY NICE PEOPLE GIVING GREAT ADVICE, THEY WERE CONVINCED THAT THEY SHOULD BE PART OF A FORMAL COMMITTEE OR DON'T GIVE US ADVICE. 
          UM, WE GET ADVICE ALL THE TIME. 
          THERE WAS LOTS OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, I GIVE THE EXAMPLE OF ELLA PRIZE, SHE'S BEEN ON ONE COMMITTEE, FRANKLY, BECAUSE I BEGGED HER TO BE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STEERING COMMITTEE. 
          BUT SHE'S GIVEN US ADVICE ALL THE TIME. 
          AND IF SHE TOOK THE POSITION THAT, I'M NOT GONNA GIVE YOU ADVICE UNLESS I'M ON A FORMAL COMMITTEE, 'CAUSE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT LIABILITY, UH, WHERE WOULD WE BE? SO I, I'M, I'M, I'M JUST CONCERNED PARTICULARLY WHAT I SEE IN THE EMAILS, FLYING, FLYING BACK AND FORTH, UM, ALL OF WHICH ARE FOIBLE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S VERY, IT'S VERY TROUBLING TO ME THAT SO MUCH EFFORT, EMPHASIS, WHICH IS WHAT I PREDICTED IN DECEMBER, SO MUCH EMPHASIS IS PLACED ON LET'S, LET'S WORK ON A LOCAL LAW FOR A MORATORIUM. 
          LET'S WORK ON, YOU KNOW, PUTTING TOGETHER A COMMITTEE, WHICH WE COULD HAVE A COMMITTEE. 
          WE MET, WE DISCUSSED THINGS. 
          IT WAS A GREAT, GREAT MEETING, BUT THE FOCUS IS, IS NOT DIRECTED REALLY ON COMING UP WITH A LOCAL LAW. 
          SO WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT IS BASICALLY GENERATING DATA, WHICH WILL BE HELPFUL, A COMMITTEE OR NO COMMITTEE. 
          UM, AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD LIKE THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY EMBARRASSING TO PUT NAMES ON AN AGENDA. 
          AND THEN PEOPLE SAY, I DON'T WANNA BE PART OF THE COMMITTEE THAT YOU WANT ME, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU GAVE US THE LIST FOR. 
          SO, WELL, LET ME JUST SAY, LEMME SAY I, MY, MY FEELING IS THAT WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT WE BASICALLY, UH, AGREE TO FORM A COMMITTEE, BUT BEFORE THE COMMITTEE IS FORMED, THE TOWN BOARD, UM, WOULD, UM, WOULD, YOU KNOW, INTERVIEW, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, AND YOU KNOW, OTHER PEOPLE ON OTHER PEOPLE, UM, MAY WANNA, UM, YOU KNOW, APPLY AND ALSO BE CONSIDERED. 
          JUST BECAUSE I MAY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION DOESN'T MEAN THAT HAS TO BE THE COMMITTEE, UM, THAT THAT REFORMS. SO IF YOU THINK OF NAMES THAT YOU, OF PEOPLE WHO, UH, YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE IN AND YOU THINK, UH, WILL DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          NOW, LIKE, YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU DON'T NEED A COMMITTEE FOR A FORMAL COMMITTEE, BUT IF IT MAKES THE PEOPLE, UM, WHO ARE GONNA BE SPENDING ALL THIS EXTRA TIME, IF IT MAKES THEM FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND MORE APPRECIATED, AND THEY, THEY, THEY FEEL THAT THERE SHOULD BE A COMMITTEE TO ME FOR THE, YOU KNOW, THOUSANDS, HUNDREDS OF HOURS THAT THEY'RE GONNA SPEND, YOU KNOW, AS A VOLUNTEER, GETTING NO MONEY. 
          I FEEL THAT IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, WORTH IT. 
          UM, BECAUSE I THINK WE'LL GET, I THINK WE'LL GET, YOU KNOW, GOOD ADVICE. 
          AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IF THE BOARD DISAGREES WITH ME, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, NOBODY, JUST BECAUSE I'M MAKING A RECOMMENDATION DOESN'T MEAN THE BOARD, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO GO ALONG WITH IT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, MY FEELING IS IF THE BOARD DOESN'T LIKE THE IDEA OF THE COMMITTEE, MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST, WE COULD VOTE IT DOWN. 
          I'LL SAY I WAS FOR IT. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST, UH, I WANNA HAVE SOMETHING LIKE ON RECORD. 
          SO THIS WAY IF THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, YOU KNOW, IF IT HAPPENS WITHOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF IF AT SOME POINT, UH, THERE'S A PROBLEM, I JUST DON'T WANNA BE BLAMED BECAUSE I, I REALLY THINK THE COMMITTEE AND THE MORATORIUM CONCEPT, YOU KNOW, WOULD WORK. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE BLAME OF, YOU KNOW, IF I BASICALLY DISAGREE WITH, UH, WITH OTHER BOARD MEMBERS. 
          AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT EVERYTHING I'M RECOMMENDING IS CORRECT. 
          I'M, I'M JUST SAY, I JUST WANNA HAVE A, A COMFORT LEVEL AND YOU KNOW WHAT I'M DOING. 
          SO, AND WE HAVE LIKE A VOTE THEN. 
          AND YOU KNOW, IF THE BOARD SAYS, NO, WE WERE ONLY ON A COMMITTEE, THAT'S THE END OF IT. 
          I'LL JUST FORGET THE IDEA. 
          THE BOARD DOESN'T WANNA HAVE A MORE RETURN, THAT'S FINE TOO. 
          THEN AT LEAST I COULD BE ON RECORD SAYING I VOTED FOR IT. 
          AND EVERY, YOU KNOW, AND I WILL, I WAS OUT VOTED JUST, JUST CLARITY, I'M SORRY, THE COMMITTEE IS FOR WHAT? THE MORATORIUM 
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OR THE COMMITTEES TO DO THE WORK ON THE LOCAL LAW. 
          I, I WOULD LIKE THE COMMITTEE, UH, TO LOOK AT THE MORATORIUM AND LOOK INTO THE MORATORIUM AND HELP COME UP WITH THE MORATORIUM LANGUAGE AND ALSO, UH, LOOK AT, UM, UH, AT, AT THE LOCAL LAW. 
          I'D LIKE THE COMMITTEE TO DO TO, TO DO BOTH. 
          AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE THE COMMITTEE TO DO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO HELP OVERSEE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE RESEARCH BECAUSE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I DON'T LIVE NEAR THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TWO LOCATIONS, THREE LOCATIONS THAT ARE WHERE THERE'S A PROPOSAL, THERE'S PEOPLE WHO LIVE CLOSE BY AND THEY BASICALLY MAY HAVE SOME CONCERNS. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE THEM FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, THEIR PARTNERS WITH THE TOWN BOARD IN THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS. 
          AND, AND I, AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, FROM MY CONVERSATIONS, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE I RECOMMENDED HONESTLY WANTS FACTS. 
          I DON'T FEEL THAT ANYONE IS SAYING, NO, I DON'T LIKE THIS. 
          I'M TOTALLY AGAINST THIS. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA FIGHT IT. 
          I THINK THAT IF WE INCLUDE THEM IN THE PROCESS, I FEEL THEY'RE GONNA BE VERY OBJECTIVE, YOU KNOW, VERY REASONABLE. 
          AND I, I REALLY FEEL THAT IF THEY FEEL THAT THE TOWN BOARD IS WORKING WITH 'EM, YOU KNOW, ON THIS, I FEEL THAT TOGETHER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE'LL BE ABLE TO REACH A CONSENSUS, BECAUSE WE ALL WANT THE SAME THING. 
          EVERYBODY WANTS RENEWABLE ENERGY, EVERYBODY WANTS, UH, GREEN, EVERYBODY IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE PLANET, BUT EVERYBODY'S ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY. 
          SO THE, SO THIS TO ME SHOULD BE, IF WE INVOLVE PEOPLE, I AM 100% CONVINCED THAT WE'RE ALL GONNA DO THE RIGHT THING. 
          I DON'T HAVE ONE DOUBT IN MY MIND. 
          I'M JUST SAYING, JUST, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS SO MANY TIMES WITH DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS, AND I, I, I, I'VE, I'VE SEEN CON THINGS THAT ARE CONTROVERSIAL TURN INTO, UM, REAL, REAL PARTNERSHIPS WITH APPLICANTS BECAUSE EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY WORKED TOGETHER. 
          UM, SO I, I REALLY JUST, I'M ASKING EVERYBODY JUST TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHTS AND IF YOU WANNA REFLECT ON IT, AND WE COULD SAY, OKAY, WE'LL VOTE IT UP OR DOWN NEXT WEEK, THAT'S FINE. 
          AND AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE, IF THE BOARD, IF OTHER BOARD MEMBERS DISAGREE WITH MY PHYSICIAN, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA VOTE AGAINST IT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE THIS A WORLD CASE THING. 
          I'LL HAVE BEEN RECORDED AS SAYING, THIS IS MY, MY DECISION, EVERYBODY DISAGREED WITH ME, AND THAT'S IT. 
          AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON. 
          MY, MY, MY POSITION HAS BEEN IN DECEMBER, FIRST OF ALL, STATING THAT THIS WAS GOING TO OCCUR EXACTLY AS IT'S OCCURRING NOW, IS THAT THE FOCUS IS NOT ON DEVELOPING A MODEL LOCAL LAW. 
          IT IS ON HAVING MORATORIUM THAT, UM, AND, AND DRAFTING THAT LEGISLATION, UH, INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON THE LOCAL LAW. 
          NOW, YOU COULD DO BOTH OR ALL THREE, INCLUDING THE COMMITTEE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          AND I PREDICTED IT WASN'T GONNA HAPPEN. 
          AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE. 
          SO WHILE GATHERING FACTS BY HAVING PEOPLE COME IN, EVERYBODY BENEFITS, RIGHT? EVERYBODY BENEFITS FROM HEARING THIS. 
          BUT WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU WANT THE COMMITTEE TO DO THE RESEARCH, NO, NO ONE ON THAT COMMITTEE IS AN EXPERT IN THESE TYPES OF BATTERIES. 
          AND WHETHER OR NOT THE BATTERY HAS CAVIUM, IT DOESN'T HAVE CAVIUM, AND WHAT THE EFFECT THAT IS ON, ON FIRE, FIRE SAFETY. 
          THERE IS SOMEBODY OUT THERE WHO HAS ALL OF THIS INFORMATION WHO CAN BE OBJECTIVE, AND IT'S IN THEIR BRAIN. 
          WE'RE NOT ASKING, AND THIS IS WHAT I SAID IN DECEMBER, NOT ASKING SOMEBODY TO GO OUT AND BUY A BUNCH OF TESLA BATTERIES AND STRESS TEST THEM TO SEE WHEN THEY FAIL, AND WHAT WAS THE EFFECT OF THAT FAILURE AND WHAT ARE THE FUMES THAT CAME OFF THAT WE'RE NOT DOING ORIGINAL RESEARCH. 
          SO THERE'S SOMEBODY OUT THERE THAT HAS THIS INFORMATION, AND ONCE WE GET THAT PERSON AND ASK THAT PERSON, WHAT, WHAT IS THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH THESE BATTERIES? I DON'T SEE WHY THIS TAKES MONTHS, BECAUSE IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THAT PERSON THEN, OR, OR SOMEBODY ELSE WHO'S DONE A STUDY AND HAVE THAT PERSON EVALUATE THAT STUDY. 
          BUT WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION EVERY WEEK AND EVERY WEEK, AND WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION EVERY WEEK AND, AND EVERY WEEK UNTIL THERE IS A MORATORIUM AND YOU PUT TOGETHER A, A, A COMMITTEE OF PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY WANT TO BE ON THERE, RIGHT? AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE WERE ABOUT TO DO THIS, AND THEN TWO PEOPLE SAID, I DON'T WANNA BE ON THERE. 
          SO, WELL, THAT'S FINE, BECAUSE WE COULD, WE DON'T NEED THEM. 
          WE'LL FIND PEOPLE. 
          LEMME JUST SAY ONE, ONE FINAL THING. 
          I FEEL THAT 
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WHEN EVERY, THE KEY TO HAVING A CONSULTANT IS FOR PEOPLE TO BUY INTO THE CONSULTANT. 
          IF WE HAVE A COMMITTEE AND THE COMMITTEE AND RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS WHO ARE IMPACTED BY THIS, UM, UH, A PART OF THE PROCESS OF SELECTING A CONSULTANT, JUST LIKE THEY'VE DONE, WE'VE DONE WITH OTHER LAND USE APPLICATIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST, THEN THEY WILL HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE RESULTS. 
          IF THEY ARE NOT PART OF THE PROCESS AT THE BEGINNING, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE AS MUCH CONFIDENCE IN WHAT, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS ARE MADE. 
          SO THE PROBABILITY IS THAT WHETHER WE HAVE A COMMITTEE OR NOT HAVE A COMMITTEE, WE MAY GET THE SAME CONSULTANT. 
          UH, BUT THE THING IS, THERE'S GONNA BE MORE DISTRUST OF THE PROCESS. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I REALLY WANT, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE, MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED. 
          I ALSO FEEL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT A ZONING CODE, BUT WE'RE BASING THE ZONING CODE ON PROPOSED APPLICATIONS FROM A PARTICULAR MANUFACTURER, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TESLA, THAT WE MIGHT WANNA, UM, AS WE GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS, I THINK WE SHOULD, UM, UH, BASE, UH, ZONING CODE ON MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, ONE, YOU KNOW, UM, APP, YOU KNOW, APPLICATIONS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, UH, THERESA TORRE I JUST SAW ON THE CHAT. 
          SHE, I THINK HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, THE BUFFER AREA AND WHAT'S AN ACCEPTABLE BUFFER, WHAT'S, WHAT'S, WHAT'S NOT AN ACCEPTABLE BUFFER. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOMEBODY LIKE HER WHO'S BEEN INVOLVED, UH, IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN MANY LAND USE ISSUES IN THE PAST INVOLVED IN THIS, I THINK ALSO WOULD BE, UH, HELPFUL. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, TO BE HONEST, I REALLY, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON THE TOWN BOARD IS DISAGREEING WITH, YOU KNOW, WE ALL WANT, EVERYBODY WANTS THE SAME THING. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THIS IS, THAT'S WHY I FEEL THAT THE MORATORIUM IS NOT THAT, UH, CONTROVERSIAL. 
          ALSO, THE COMMITTEE, UH, WOULD DO THE RESEARCH. 
          UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO, UM, ARE INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          I WANT PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I AM REALLY PROUD TO BE PART OF A TOWN WHERE THEY ARE INCLUDING US, AND ASKING US FOR ADVICE WHERE THEY RECOGNIZE THAT, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR OPINIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, COUNT OTHERWISE, THIS, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS THERE'S PEOPLE WHO FEEL LIKE LEFT OUT, OR, UH, THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK IS, UM, YOU KNOW, ALSO SLOWING, YOU KNOW, SLOWING THE, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS AND THE PEOPLE FEEL, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF THEY'RE NOT ON THE COMMITTEE, THEY MIGHT BE, UH, IF IT'S NOT A FORMAL COMMITTEE, THEY COULD BE, UH, SUED. 
          BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IF THEY ARE ON A COMMITTEE, UM, UH, THE TOWN INSURANCE WOULD, WOULD COVER THEM. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, JUST MAKE THEM A COMMITTEE. 
          IT'S NOT GONNA BE A LONG TERM COMMITTEE. 
          AND I'M, I, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA BE, UM, YOU KNOW, BE SUED ANYWAY, YOU KNOW? SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY JUST FIGURING OUT A WAY WHERE WE ALL CAN WORK TOGETHER AND, YOU KNOW, NO, I THINK WE SHOULD GET, I THINK WE SHOULD GET TO A POINT THAT WE MAKE A DECISION WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WRONG, MAKE A DECISION AND MOVE ON. 
          I MEAN, YOU'VE, I JUST THINK EVERYONE, EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS HOW THEY FEEL. 
          AND PAUL, WE, WE TRULY UNDERSTAND. 
          AND, AND YOU, YOU HAVE SAID ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS, YOUR POSITION, UM, ON THE COMMITTEE AND MOR MORATORIUM. 
          SO I THINK IT'S BEST THAT MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK IF THOUGH, FRANCIS, IF YOU WANNA FINISH YOUR COMMENT, UH, MAYBE YOU WANNA CONTINUE SAYING WHAT YOU, BECAUSE PAUL IS MAKING THIS BINARY, HE'S MAKING IT SEEM LIKE WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE INPUT OF THIS EXCELLENT GROUP. 
          I KNOW, I KNOW TERRY TORY VERY WELL. 
          SHE WAS ON A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STEERING COMMITTEE. 
          SHE WAS FANTASTIC. 
          SHE IS FANTASTIC. 
          SHE GIVES, SHE GIVES VERY GOOD ADVICE, RIGHT? THAT IT'S NOT AN ISSUE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE A GROUP. 
          WE HAD A GROUP, WE HAD A ZOOM MEETING, AND IT WAS A VERY GOOD ZOOM MEETING, RIGHT? BUT THEN IT, IT, IT BASICALLY WENT INTO WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT EVERYBODY ON THE GROUP, BUT YOU KNOW, SOME OF 'EM, AT LEAST ONE SAID, I'M NOT GONNA PARTICIPATE UNLESS I'M PART, THERE'S ALREADY A PLANNING BOARD MEMBER. 
          SO THEY'RE COVERED FROM LIABILITY. 
          IT'S JUST, I, I JUST DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT, THAT I WAS RIGHT. 
          WHAT I PREDICTED IS THAT THE FOCUS WAS GONNA BE ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN PUTTING TOGETHER A MODEL LAW AND MAKING THE BEST MODEL LAW WE CAN WITH THE INPUT OF VERY, VERY, UH, EXCELLENT PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE IN THE TOWN. 
          UM, AND, AND JUST MOVING THIS THING FORWARD, AND AGAIN, THERE'S NOT ONE WORD THAT'S BEEN DONE ON THE MODEL LAW SINCE 
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WE STARTED THIS, BUT THERE IS PLENTY OF WORK BEING DONE ON A MORATORIUM AND NOW TRYING TO COME UP WITH A COMMITTEE. 
          IT WAS OPPOSED TO PEOPLE WORKING ON THIS THING, BUT A COMMITTEE THAT REALLY WANTS TO BE ON THERE. 
          AND SO, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES HERE. 
          MAYBE WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, UH, AND IT'S GETTING LATE AND WE HAVE AT LEAST TWO OR THREE HOURS OF, UH, OF MEETINGS STILL LEFT. 
          UM, AND SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, REFLECT ON WHATEVER WE WANNA REFLECT ON, LIKE PAUL SAID, AND, UH, TALK ABOUT THE STRUCTURE OF THIS THING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'D HAVE TO KEEP GATHERING DATA AS OPPOSED TO PUSHING IT BACK. 
          AND AGAIN, MY CONCERN WITH THE MORATORIUM IS, OH, YOU GET FOUR MONTHS AND THE MORATORIUM HAS IN THERE THAT IT CAN BE EXTENDED, EVEN THOUGH PAUL SAID IT CAN'T. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FOUR MONTHS, THERE'S OTHER THINGS TO WORK ON. 
          WE HAVE FOUR MONTHS ON THAT, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, AND IT'S GONNA BE WORSE THAN IT HAS BEEN BETWEEN DECEMBER AND NOW WHERE NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE ON THE MODEL LAW. 
          I MAKE A SUGGESTION, JUST SO WE, SO I WON'T BE REPEATING MYSELF, , MYSELF, . 
          WOULD IT MAKE SENSE? WOULD IT MAKE SENSE JUST TO HAVE A VOTE? LIKE NOW SAYING WE CAN DO, WE LIKE THE COMMITTEE, OR WE DON'T LIKE THE COMMITTEE. 
          IF EVERYBODY VOTES ME DOWN, I WON'T EVEN BE ONE WORD OF COMMITTEE IF THEY DON'T LIKE MY IDEA OF THE MORATORIUM THIS WAY, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DID MY PART, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A VOTE IF THEY DON'T WANT IT. 
          THAT'S BASICALLY, UH, IF FOR ME, AND THEN I'LL MOVE ON AND DO WHATEVER. 
          I'LL, I'LL FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATION OF EVERYBODY ON THE TOWN BOARD. 
          I HAVE NO, BUT YOU KNOW, I SORT OF FEEL THAT, AS GINA SAID, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO MOVE ON. 
          YOU KNOW, I MADE MY POINT, YOU MADE YOUR POINT. 
          THE BOARD DISAGREES WITH ME. 
          NO HEART FEELINGS. 
          AND, UM, AND THAT'S BASICALLY IT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR. 
          UM, AND THEN WE, THEN WE CAN MOVE ON AND WE'LL EITHER USE A COMMITTEE APPROACH AND THE MORE RETIREMENT APPROACH OR, OR THE BOARD WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT PH DIFFERENT APPROACH, WHICH IS PERFECTLY FINE. 
          UH, WELL, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU NEED, SORRY, GO AHEAD. 
          I KNOW SOMEBODY ELSE WAS THAT'S OKAY AHEAD, DIANA. 
          GO AHEAD, DIANA. 
          OKAY. 
          I I JUST DON'T KNOW WHY YOU NECESSARILY, UH, NEED A MORATORIUM, UH, IN ORDER TO HAVE A COMMITTEE, YOU COULD HAVE A COMMITTEE HELPING TO WORK ON A MODEL LAW, GIVE SUGGESTIONS, AND, UM, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY TOO, BUT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT YOU NEED A MORATORIUM, RIGHT? I MEAN, I, THE REASON I, I FEEL IS I'M, YOU KNOW, I GOT AN EMAIL, UH,  FROM, UM, GARY STERN WHO'S, UM, A RESIDENT OF, OF GREENVILLE, AND HE IS THE CO-PRESIDENT OF THE SOUTHERN GREENVILLE ASSOCIATION. 
          AND HE SAYS HE'S A RESIDENT THAT LIVES, UM, ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET UP THE HILL FROM THE PROPOSED BATTERY, UH, STATION. 
          AND HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE, HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT THE CHANCE FOR EXPLOSION FIRE. 
          HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT CONTAMINATION, HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE, UH, NOISE AND TIMES THAT STATION NEEDS TO GET SERVICED. 
          AND, UM, HE IS CONCERNED, UH, THAT IT'S GONNA BE LOCATED BEHIND THE SHOPPING CENTER. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, HE FEELS AS, AS A COSMETIC OR FOR SAFETY. 
          SO HE HAS, HE HAS CONCERNS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I WANT, I WANT TO, I WANT HIM TO FEEL THAT I'M, YOU KNOW, AND I WANT, YOU KNOW, AND I FEEL THAT IF WE DO THE COMMITTEE AND WE DO THE MORATORIUM, I FEEL THAT AT THE END OF THE PROCESS, UM, AND HE'S PART OF IT, YOU KNOW, I FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BETTER CHANCE WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO, COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT HE AND HIS NEIGHBORHOOD WILL ACTUALLY, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, FEEL, YOU KNOW, GOOD ABOUT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, HE'S VERY REASONABLE. 
          THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ALWAYS BEEN VERY, VERY, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE. 
          YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT ADDRESSING, I, I STILL DON'T BELIEVE THAT. 
          UH, WE CAN HAVE A COMMITTEE AND WE CAN GET INPUT FROM PEOPLE SUCH AS THE PERSON YOU'RE DISCUSSING, BUT, BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED A MORATORIUM. 
          WE LIVED, I LIVED THROUGH A WHOLE MORATORIUM PROCESS BEFORE, AND IT CREATES SO MANY OTHER ISSUES FOR, FOR THE BOARD THAT I DON'T SEE THAT IT'S THE WAY TO GO. 
          I THINK WE CAN STILL GET HELP AND HAVE A DISCUSSION AND WORK TOWARDS THIS WITHOUT HAVING A MORATORIUM. 
          THE, THE O THE OTHER ADVANTAGE OF A MORATORIUM IS TO FULFILL NEW APPLICATIONS WHILE A NEW LAW IS ON . 
          NOW, THEN YOU HAVE HAVE HEARINGS, PAUL, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST TOTALLY BAN EVERYBODY. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WHEN, WHEN WE DID THIS THAT OTHER TIME. 
          AND SO THEN THE TOWN BOARD HAD TO HOLD HEARINGS TO FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS OKAY FOR THEM TO MOVE FORWARD OR NOT TO MOVE, OKAY. 
          NOT TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          THAT, THAT'S REALLY MY CONCERN. 
          I DON'T WANNA SEE US GET TIED UP IN THAT TOO. 
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I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHERE I'M CONCERNED. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT NOW TO MAKE A DECISION WHETHER GONNA VOTE TONIGHT TO GO FORWARD, OR WE GONNA VOTE TONIGHT TO HAVE TO SIT AND TALK AMONG OURSELVES TO FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE GOING TO BE. 
          BECAUSE I MEAN, WE DO HAVE A LOT TO GET TO THIS EVENING. 
          UM, AND WE WOULD, WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD. 
          'CAUSE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SPENT A CONSIDER AMOUNT OF TIME ON THIS. 
          SO I, WE SHOULD ALSO GET SOME, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LEGAL ISSUE REGARDING WHETHER OR NOT THEY COULD ACTUALLY BUILD SOMETHING ON CENTRAL AVENUE. 
          SO I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH OUR LEGAL COUNSEL AS WELL. 
          I AGREE. 
          SO THEN I THINK, I THINK NEXT STEPS WILL BE NOW THAT WE TABLE IT AND WE HAVE OUR MEETING WITH LEGAL COUNSELS, AND WE'LL COME BACK AND WE'LL LET EVERYONE KNOW WHAT WE DECIDED. 
          OKAY? SO, SO THEN SHOULD WE SAY NEXT TUES BY NEXT TUESDAY, WE'LL MAKE A DECISION. 
          WE GOTTA HAVE A DISCUSSION AND WE'LL COME RIGHT BACK TO YOU, PAUL, AND WE CAN TELL EVERYONE WHEN WE'RE GONNA COME BACK. 
          I DON'T, I, I HATE TO PUT OUT DATES BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, IF WE SAY NEXT TUESDAY, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN NEXT TUESDAY, THEN WE'LL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, WE'RE GIVING OUR WORD THAT SOMETHING'S GONNA HAPPEN AND IT DOESN'T. 
          SO LET'S JUST, AND WE WILL DEFINITELY COME BACK AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS AWARE OF WHAT OUR DECISION, I'M SURE IT WOULD BE TUESDAY, BUT I, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA MAKE PROMISES. 
          OKAY? OKAY. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          SO, GARRETT, WHERE ARE WE?  . 
          UM, WE ARE AT THE POINT WHERE, UH, I P P SOLAR, UM, WILL WALK YOU THROUGH A BRIEF PRESENTATION OF, UM, WHAT THEY WOULD ASPIRE TO DO AT, UH, GREENVILLE SHOPPING CENTER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, UH, JUST, THERE'S ONE POINT, UH, MY APOLOGIES. 
          I WANTED TO, TO MAKE HERE RAISE AWARENESS ABOUT MONEY. 
          ONE FACTOR THAT IS IMPORTANT, UH, AGAIN, WE'LL GO IN LENGTH. 
          WE'D BE DELIGHTED TO HELP EVERYONE AT THE TOWN, UH, TO MATURE THE DECISION. 
          BUT PLEASE EVERYONE HAVE IN MIND THAT, UH, THIS PROJECT AND JAMES' PROJECT ARE DRIVEN BY NYSERDA INCENTIVES WHO ARE FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE. 
          AND IF THE INCENTIVES ARE TAKEN BY PEOPLE IN OTHER TOWNS, UH, THEN THE PROJECT IS NOT ECONOMICALLY VIABLE ANYMORE. 
          AND SO WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE TO ALL BE COMFORTABLE ABOUT IT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO BRING YOU, UH, UH, RAISE AWARENESS ABOUT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NOW, UM, UH, CAN I SHARE MY SCREEN AGAIN? YES, IT, MA'AM. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          SO LET ME SHOW YOU, I HAVE SOME, UH, UH, DRONE FOOTAGE OF, UH, GREENVILLE, AND, UH, I CAN SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT. 
          UH, I BELIEVE THIS IS IT. 
          OKAY, SO, ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THIS IS THE, THE BACK OF THE SHOPPING CENTER. 
          AND, UH, WE WERE LOOKING TO PUT THE BATTERY PACKS HERE IN THE BACK 10 FEET DISTANCE, UH, RELATIVE TO THE BACK WALL. 
          AND SO THE BATTERIES WILL BE LITERALLY IN THIS RECTANGLE. 
          THEY WILL NOT GO BEYOND THE, THE YELLOW LINE HERE. 
          UH, THINK ABOUT IT. 
          YEAH, JUST LIKE A RECTANGLE FROM HERE ALL THE WAY HERE TO HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND SO THERE IS OBVIOUSLY 10 FEET DISTANCE TO THE BUILDING. 
          THERE WILL BE A FENCE AROUND IT. 
          AND, AND THEN HERE YOU HAVE THE DRIVEWAY AND YOU HAVE ANOTHER DRIVEWAY HERE. 
          WE BELIEVE THAT WE ARE REALLY AWAY FROM ANYTHING. 
          AND, AND SO THIS SHOULD BE, UH, DEEMED A SAFE INSTALLATION. 
          UH, BUT OF COURSE, WE'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS IF ANYBODY, UH, THINK THAT WE ARE, WE NEED TO MAKE CHANGES. 
          SO, UH, , MAYBE IT'LL BE HELPFUL. 
          UM, ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING HERE WOULD BE COMPARABLE TO THE IMAGE THAT YOU SHOWED THE TOWN BOARD, UH, OF YOUR YORKTOWN FACILITY. 
          UM, SIMILAR TYPE, SAME EXACT CABINETS, UH, UNLESS I'M WRONG. 
          UM, WITHIN A FENCED IN ENCLOSURE AT THE REAR. 
          THAT'S, IS THAT THE, THE, THE, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          AND ACTUALLY, YOU SEE HERE IN THE BOTTOM, I'M SORRY, AS, UH, IT'S NOT, UH, LET ME SEE IF I CAN ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT. 
          YOU'LL HAVE, UH, SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH, UH, TRANSFORMERS, WITH, UH, WITH A FENCE. 
          UH, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING SIMILAR. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE ARE IN THE BACK. 
          THERE IS NO ONE WALKING HERE, NOBODY'S SUPPOSED TO BE HERE, IS FOR STORAGE. 
          UH, SORRY FOR, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE ALL THESE, UH, DUMPSTERS, YOU HAVE DELIVERIES, 
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UH, YEAH, THE, THERE SHOULD NOT BE, THERE SHOULD BE, UH, DEEMED A SAFE, UH, SAFE INSTALLATION. 
          WE PUT THE CONCRETE PAD, BALLARDS. 
          IF ANYBODY HITS THOSE BALLARDS, IT'S NOT GONNA GET TO THE, UH, TO THE, UH, BATTERIES. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. 
          AND THIS WOULD NOT, UH, BE IN CONNECTION WITH SOLAR. 
          UH, IT LOOKS AS IF, IF THIS IS A NEW PHOTO, IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THERE'S SOLAR. 
          NO, THERE IS, UNFORTUNATELY. 
          YOU SEE, THE PROBLEM IN THE, THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT A LONG TIME AGO, AND THE STRUCTURE, WE HAVE DONE A UNUSUAL, UH, EVALUATION, AND THIS ROOF IS VERY WEAK. 
          I HAVEN'T SEEN VERY MANY, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THIS WEEK IS NOT ABLE TO, UH, TAKE THE WEIGHT OF THE SOLAR PANELS. 
          UM, TRUST ME, IF I COULD PUT, TAKE A SQUARE INCH SOMEWHERE TO PUT SOLAR PANELS, I WILL DO IT. 
          AND YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE I HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD AT, IF WE ARE ABLE TO FIND A SOLUTION, WE'LL DO IT BECAUSE THERE IS SIMPLY, IT'S SIMPLY MORE LUCRATIVE. 
          WHY WOULD WE NOT DO IT? BUT AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, UM, I CAN'T GUARANTEE THE SOLAR, BUT THE BATTERY IS, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, SHOULD, SHOULD BE DOABLE. 
          AND, UH, THE BATTERIES, BATTERIES BE CONNECTED TO THE, UM, TO THE, TO THE LOCAL POWER GRID IN WHAT FASHION WE WOULD RUN. 
          UH, THERE WOULD BE, UH, AN UNDERGROUND TRENCH. 
          WE WOULD RUN CONDUCTORS ON THE GROUND, AND WE'D CONNECT TO POTENTIALLY THE TRANSFORMER THAT IS HERE. 
          IT'S THE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY IT. 
          IT'S NOT. 
          AND WOULD THEY, UM, WOULD, WOULD THE SYSTEM PROVIDE, UM, BACKUP POWER TO THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING? UH, IN INSTANCES WHERE THE POWER WERE TO GO OUT? YEAH, WE'LL OFFER IT TO THE TENANTS. 
          I THINK THAT PROBABLY, UH, YOU SEE, YOU HAVE, UH, SOMEBODY WHO IS RUNNING REFRIGERATION HERE. 
          HE WOULD BE A GOOD CANDIDATE, UH, TO OFFER, UH, TO, TO BENEFIT FROM, UH, UH, POWER BACKUP. 
          UM, AGAIN, WE, ONE THING WE HAVE SAID, AND WE, WE SAID TO YORKTOWN, WE SAY TO, TO THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO SET UP A SORT OF, UH, UH, POWER BACKUP, UH, EMERGENCY BACKUP, UH, SITUATION. 
          WHAT WHICHEVER FORMAT YOU TELL US, UH, WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY HERE TO, TO PROVIDE POWER BACKUP. 
          UM, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNTY BOARD? WELL, HOW CLOSE ARE YOU TO THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE SUPERMARKET, AND HOW CLOSE ARE YOU TO A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE? UH, I MEAN, WE ARE REALLY FAR . 
          I HAVEN'T MEASURED THE DISTANCE, TO BE HONEST. 
          UH, BUT WE ARE QUITE FAR, UH, FAR, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          FAR DOESN'T CUT IT. 
          , IT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING. 
          REMEMBER, UH, I THINK AT LEAST 50 TO 75 FEET. 
          AND THEN REMEMBER YOU HAVE HERE A FENCE, UM, AS WELL. 
          UM, AND YOU HAVE HERE, THIS AREA IS ELEVATED, SO IF THERE ARE HOMES OR THAT ARE REALLY ON THE FAR LEFT HERE, SO, UM, I I, I, I CAN'T SEE HOW THOSE PEOPLE CAN BE IMPACTED. 
          AND, AND HOW MANY DECIBEL LEVELS WOULD THIS BE AT THE PROPERTY LINE? YOUR PROPERTY LINE ARE THE SHOPPER. 
          THIS MAKES, NO, THERE, IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY NOISE. 
          THIS, THIS THING HERE, THESE VENTS ON THE ROOF WILL MAKE MORE NOISE THAN OUR STORAGE, UH, UNIT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S BATTERIES, IT'S CHEMICAL, UH, REACTION. 
          IT'S NOT, THERE IS NO MACHINES INSIDE. 
          IT'S, UH, IT'S IONS, IT'S CHEMICALS. 
          SO THERE IS NO NOISE. 
          WELL, IN ONE OF THE FACILITIES THAT WAS SHOWN TO US, THEY WERE, THEY WERE STATING THAT, UH, 65 DECIBELS AT THE NEAREST, UH, STRUCTURE, WHICH TO ME IS AN UN UNACCEPTABLE, UM, REGULATION. 
          UH, EVERYBODY HAS A RIGHT TO ENJOY THEIR BACKYARD. 
          IT, IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT THE DECIBEL LEVEL BECOMES A TOLERABLE AT YOUR, AT YOUR HOUSE. 
          IT SHOULD BE TOLERABLE AT YOUR, AT YOUR PROPERTY LINE. 
          BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOUR BATTERIES DO NOT MAKE ANY NOISE. 
          YEAH, THE, THE, I THINK THE REASON WHY THE OTHER INSTALLATION THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS MAKING NOISE IS BECAUSE THE CONTAINERIZED, UH, INSTALLATIONS, UH, THEY HAVE TO PUT VENTS 
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SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A GAS BUILT UP INSIDE THE CONTAINER. 
          AND SO YOU HAVE ALL KINDS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, AIR CIRCULATION AND VENTS AND MACHINES IN THERE, AND THOSE MAKE NOISE. 
          BUT AGAIN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. 
          AND YOU CAN MAKE THIS A CONDITION, UH, TO THE PROJECT IF IT MAKES MORE THAN, HONESTLY, DON'T THINK IT MAKES MORE THAN 10 OR 20 DAYS AGOS, UH, BARELY. 
          I MEAN, I HAVE BEEN MAKES, IT MAKES NO NOISE. 
          YOU HAVE TO , YOU KNOW, IT MAKES NO NOISE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CHEMICAL REACTION. 
          SO, BUT I'LL SEND YOU THE DA, I'LL SEND YOU THE MANUFACTURER'S, UH, DATA. 
          UH, NO PROBLEM. 
          YOU CAN. 
          AND HOW FAR WILL, HOW FAR WILL YOUR, YOUR, UH, BATTERY, UH, STORAGE SYSTEM BE FROM THE BUILDING ITSELF? WHAT WOULD BE THE 10, 10 FEET AWAY? WE WOULD BE, UH, WE WOULD BE COMPLYING BY THE, UH, REQUIREMENT. 
          UH, GARRETT CAN TELL YOU MORE, BUT, UH, WOULD BE 10 AS AN ACCESSORY WOULD BE 10 FEET AWAY FROM THE BE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND IS THERE ANY, IS THERE A REGULATION THAT IT CAN'T BE SITUATED NEAR WINDOWS AS THERE IS, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH A GENERATOR? UH, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY WINDOWS HERE. 
          UH, WE ARE BATTERY. 
          MY, THAT WASN'T MY QUESTION. 
          IS IT, IS IT, IS IT YOUR POLICY NOT TO SITUATE, UH, THESE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS BECAUSE THEY MAY GIVE OFF FUMES, UH, NEAR A WINDOW? IT, IT, WHAT I'M ASKING IS, IS IT ANY DIFFERENT THAN A GENERATOR WHICH CAN GIVE OFF FUMES? UM, IS IT ANY DIFFERENT WHERE A GENERATOR WHERE, UH, IT CAN'T BE SITUATED NEAR YOUR WINDOWS THAT MAY BE OPENED? AGAIN, I CAN GET BACK TO YOU IF YOU LIKE, WITH MANUFACTURERS, UH, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION. 
          UH, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, UNLESS YOU HAVE AN EXTREME EVENT, WHICH WOULD LEAD TO FIRST RESPONSE BEING ON SITE, YOU WILL NOT HAVE FUMES. 
          YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE IN A THREE, FOUR STANDARD DEVIATION. 
          UH, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, WHEN YOU ARE IN A DISASTER SITUATION, YOU WOULD HAVE FUMES. 
          YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE FUMES. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE A PROPANE TANK WHERE YOU WALK BY. 
          THERE'S ALWAYS SOME SMELL. 
          IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE, IF YOU DO HAVE A, YOU HAVE FUMES, IT MEANS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO EVACUATE AND SOMEBODY HAS TO GO AND DISMANTLE THAT THING AND MOVE IT TO SOME PLACE ELSE. 
          'CAUSE IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, HAVING ISSUES. 
          DO YOU KNOW WHEN THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN? UH, I TOOK IT MYSELF. 
          I THINK IT WAS A YEAR OR TWO AGO, A COUPLE YEAR OR TWO AGO. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT RECENT, ACTUALLY. 
          I CAN TELL YOU IF YOU WANTED TO. 
          NO, I'M JUST WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT WHAT'S IN THOSE BINS IS GARBAGE OR, UH, RECYCLED PAPER OR WHETHER OR NOT, UH, JULY 16, ACTUALLY I FLEW IT. 
          I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. 
          YOU HAD CLAIM FROM THE NEIGHBOR THAT WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL FOR FUMES, THE POTENTIAL FOR NOISE, THE POTENTIAL FOR IT BEING UNSIGHTLY, YOU KNOW, FRANKLY, UM, IF WE DON'T HAVE A REGULATION REGARDING IT LOOKS LIKE DUMPSTERS, UH, WE SHOULD BE SO THAT THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE THAT. 
          THE, THE DUMPSTERS WILL OBVIOUSLY BE, BE LOCATED. 
          THEY WILL NOT STAY HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE PLAN IS THIS, THE PLAN IS, YOU SEE, YOU HAVE HERE AN ENCLOSURE WITH SOME DUMPSTERS INSIDE, RIGHT? SO THE PLAN IS TO COMPLETELY REMOVE THESE WALLS, AND WE WILL, WE PLAN TO COMPLETELY REDO THIS, UH, THE BACK OF THIS, UH, THIS, UH, BUILDING. 
          UH, WE WILL INSTALL THE, THE, THE BATTERIES IN THE FAR BACK, ALL THE WAY THERE, ALL THE WAY TILL HERE, APPROXIMATELY WITH A FENCE AROUND IT. 
          AND THEN AT THE, AT THE, AT THE SAFETY, THE, THE, YEAH, THE DUMPSTERS WILL BE RELOCATED AGAIN. 
          WE'LL FOLLOW YOUR, UH, REQUIREMENTS. 
          UH, I, I, I'M NOT MANAGING THAT PROPERTY, SO IF YOU HAVE, IF ANYONE HAS ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE DUMPSTERS, WE CAN ADDRESS IT. 
          I'LL PASS IT ALONG TO THE PROPERTY MANAGER. 
          UM, BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE PUT DISTANCE FENCING, BALLARDS MONITORING SYSTEM, AND WE MET WITH, UH, THE, ONE OF THE FIRE CHIEFS ON SITE, AND WE EXPLAINED THE WHOLE INSTALLATION TO HIM, AND I THINK HE HAS A GOOD GRIP ON IT. 
          OF COURSE, YOU CAN DISCUSS WITH HIM. 
          HE, IF HE FEELS THAT, 
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UH, IT IS MEETING, UH, YOU KNOW, HIS, UH, UM, HIS, UH, REQUIREMENTS. 
          WHEN YOU MET WITH THE DALE, UH, THE GREENVILLE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHAT WAS THEIR, UH, YOU KNOW, REACTION TO THE PROPOSAL? I THINK THAT THE GENTLEMAN SEEMED FAIRLY KNOWLEDGEABLE, KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THE TOPIC. 
          IT SEEMED THAT HE HAS, HE HAD DONE A FAIR AMOUNT OF RESEARCH. 
          HE, HE DID NOT, YOU KNOW, I WAS ACTUALLY SURPRISED THAT HE USED SO MUCH ABOUT IT. 
          UM, AND, UH, HE SEEMED FINE. 
          I MEAN, GARRETT, YOU WERE THERE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WANNA  MISREPRESENT THINGS, UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE EXPLAINED TO HIM THE PROCEDURES WE PUT IN PLACE WITH, UH, YORKTOWN, AND HE SEEMED FINE WITH IT, BUT YOU ARE FINE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN I HEAR SOMETHING'S GONNA BE RELOCATED, WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE NEXT QUESTION IS WHERE, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT THOSE CLOSER TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE DETAILS ARE IMPORTANT, OBVIOUSLY. 
          I MEAN, LOOK, UH, UH, JUST, UH, LIKE I SAID, IF, IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES YOU WOULD HAVE, UH, IF YOU HAVE A GAS BUILDUP, YOU WILL JUST GO UP VERTICALLY. 
          AND SO WE ARE FAR AWAY FROM, FROM ANY RESIDENTS HERE. 
          ULTIMATELY, WHATEVER PROCESS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY AT THIS SITE, UM, WE INCLUDE AMENDED SITE PLANS. 
          SO THERE WOULD BE CONSIDERATIONS FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, ADEQUACY OF, OF, OF REFUSE. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THESE DUMPSTERS, HOW THEY'RE ENCLOSED, WHERE THEY WOULD ALTERNATELY BE CITED, UM, YOU KNOW, CONTINUED SAFE ACCESS TO THE BACK OF THESE BUSINESSES. 
          SO, UM, UH, YEAH, ULTIMATELY THE FIRE CHIEF, WE DID MEET OUT SITE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS NOT A FORMAL APPLICATION AT THE TIME. 
          SO, UH, THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WOULD BE EVALUATED AT THE TIME OF A FORMAL APPLICATION. 
          UM, BUT THE TYPES OF QUESTIONS YOU'RE ASKING CERTAINLY WOULD, WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE, BE OF A LAND USE BOARD, UM, CONSIDERATION. 
          SO HAVE YOU SPOKEN TO CON ED? WOULD THEY BE, DO THEY FIND IT ACCEPTABLE FOR YOU TO TIE INTO THE TRANSFORMER THAT'S THERE? WE SUBMITTED OUR, UH, APPLICATION FOR INTERCONNECTION TO CON EDISON, UH, SOMETIME IN THE EARLY DECEMBER. 
          WE HAD A PRELIMINARY CALL, AS IS THE PROCESS WITH THEM LAST WEEK, AND THEY TOLD US THAT WE NEED TO ENGAGE IN A FULL STUDY, UH, IN ORDER TO FIND OUT WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE. 
          AND, UM, WE DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST WANT TO FOR YOU, MAYBE THAT IS HELPFUL. 
          YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN CONNET DOES ITS EVALUATION, IT JUST WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, THOSE WIRES ARE SIZED TO TAKE THE CHARGE AND THE DISCHARGE OF THIS SIZE BATTERIES. 
          AND IF IT'S TOO SMALL, THEY MAY SAY YOU HAVE TO SPEND X DOLLARS TO HAVE THOSE WIRES UPGRADED. 
          UH, OR THAT TRANSFORMER UPGRADED, OR THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. 
          SO, BECAUSE IT'S JUST YOU, YOU KNOW, THE GRID IS, THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN THERE FOR DECADES AND THEY HAVE TO JUST, UH, GO TO THE, UH, TO THEIR SURVEY WORK AND, AND THEN THEY CAN TELL US WHAT, UH, WHAT WE CAN, WE CAN BUILD. 
          SO AS FAR AS YOU BELIEVE YOUR LIMIT OF WIRING IS, ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS TO GET TO THE TRANSFORMER, AND YOU MAY HAVE TO UPGRADE THE TRANSFORMER, BUT THE WIRES COMING FROM THAT TRANSFORMER TO THE DISTRIBUTION LINES, TO THE TRANSMISSION LINES, UM, THOSE WIRES WOULD BE SIZED CORRECTLY AS IT WORK. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT, THAT DISTRIBUTION LINE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THE 13,000 VOL, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT, I MEAN, THEY MAY SAY, LOOK, YOU HAVE TO SPEND $10 MILLION TO UPGRADE THOSE. 
          IN WHICH CASE WE'RE GONNA SAY NO. 
          THEN, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO RE REEVALUATE MAYBE, UH, DOWNSIZE THE PROJECT. 
          IT'S ALWAYS LIKE, UH, YOU HAVE TO DO THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS BETWEEN THE, UH, THE UPGRADE COST VERSUS, AND YOUR PROJECT COSTS AND SEE IF YOUR PROJECT COSTS CAN ABSORB THOSE UPGRADE COSTS, AND THEN WHAT KIND OF RETURN YOU CAN GET. 
          YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S JUST, UH, YEAH, VERY, VERY, VERY COMMON, UH, ECONOMIC AND, YOU KNOW, RETURN AND INVESTMENT CALCULATION THAT ULTIMATELY, YEAH, YEAH, IT'S VERY, VERY COMMON. 
          BUT, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT, AGAIN, I KNOW THAT SAFETY IS THE, THE, 
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THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE WE HAVE TO VIEW THAT IF WE FOLLOW THE NEW YORK CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT GUIDELINES, UH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, NO ONE SHOULD, YOU, YOU CAN'T BE WORSE THAN NEW YORK CITY. 
          AND IF NEW YORK CITY IS OKAY WITH THAT INSTALLATION, THEN EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT INSTALLATION. 
          SO WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING BEYOND THAT, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL PUT THE, THE BAR HIGH OURSELVES SO THAT NO ONE CAN SAY, HEY, THIS WAS NOT, IT WAS, THIS WAS DONE LIGHTLY. 
          BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT YOU HAVE A WAYS TO GO BECAUSE CONED IS NOT KNOWN FOR ITS SPEED. 
          UM, I HOPE MY LIGHTS STAY ON TONIGHT, BUT CONED IS NOT KNOWN FOR ITS SPEED. 
          AND YOU'VE PUT IN THE APPLICATION IN DECEMBER, UH, YOU HAVE TO DO SOME KIND OF A STUDY REGARDING THE SIZING OF THE, THE WIRES. 
          WELL, YOU JUST, YOU JUST HAVE TO ADMIRE, I I'M SURE THIS IS GONNA TAKE, DOESN'T TAKE IT OUTTA QUITE CON ED IN THAT THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING . 
          THEY'LL TELL YOU HOW MUCH IT'S GOING, YOU COST YOU TO DO THIS TO HELP THEIR SYSTEM. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, CAN I TELL YOU SOMETHING? CAN I TELL YOU SOMETHING? THIS PLAN? YEAH. 
          LEMME TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, I WAS SHOCKED HOW, HOW QUICKLY CONED GOT BACK TO US. 
          REALLY. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AT CONED. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY BACK THEM UP OR SOMETHING, BUT, YOU KNOW, HAVE, BASED ON FIRST OF ALL, ALL THE MAPS THAT THEY MAKE AVAILABLE TO DEVELOPERS AND HOW QUICKLY THE PROCESS, AND THEY GOT TO THIS POINT WITH US, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS SOMETHING IS GOING ON THERE AND THEY WANNA REALLY, THEY GOT, THEY GOTTEN BETTER. 
          SO I THINK THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE A RESPONSE FROM CONED ABOUT, BASICALLY THEY'RE GONNA SAY, OPTION ONE, YOU CAN INSTALL, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE MEGA PACK. 
          IT WILL COST YOU, FOR EXAMPLE, 25,000. 
          OPTION TWO, YOU CAN INSTALL THREE MEGA PACK IS GONNA COST YOU $300,000 OPTION THREE, CANCEL THE PROJECT. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA GET THAT, THOSE THREE OPTIONS IN THE NEXT FOUR WEEKS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO DIDN'T I HEAR YOU SAY BEFORE THAT THE, THE, THE SETUP THAT YOU SHOWED US BEFORE, THAT WAS 480 KILOWATT KILOWATTS? CORRECT. 
          AND THIS WAS GONNA BE THE SAME ONE. 
          WHY ARE YOU NOW TALKING ABOUT A MEGAWATT? OKAY. 
          UM, YEAH, FORGIVE ME. 
          LET ME, UH, LET ME SHOW YOU. 
          BASICALLY THE INSTALLATION THAT WE SHOWED YOU IS, IS SMALLER. 
          WE INTEND, WE ARE APPLYING FOR FOUR TIMES IN VOLUME. 
          WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT WE ARE SHOWING IN THE PICTURE HERE, LET ME BRING IT BACK. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAID. 
          WHAT YOU SAID IS THIS IS, YEAH, BECAUSE THIS, AND THEN YOU WENT TO THE, YEAH, REMEMBER THAT THE TECHNOLOGY OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS HAS EVOLVED AND WITH THE SAME VOLUME YOU CAN GET WAY MORE DENSITY. 
          AND SO FOR, WE, WE, WE, FIRST OF ALL, OUR, UH, APPLICATION IS FOR FOUR, FOUR TIMES THIS AS OPPOSED TO ONE YEAR. 
          AND WE DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WE GET THE APPROVAL FROM CONED ONLY FOR ONE, MAYBE FOR TWO. 
          UH, WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. 
          BUT FOR NOW, A BASE CASE IS TO PUT FOUR OF THOSE. 
          AND IF YOU ALLOW ME, I CAN, I CAN SHOW YOU THE, UH, THE PICTURE OF, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SET OF FOUR, A SET OF FOUR OF, OF A SET OF FOUR. 
          FOUR SETS OF FOUR. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          GIMME ONE QUICK SECOND. 
          AND MY APOLOGIES. 
          I, I JUST, UH, IT ESCAPED ME TO PREPARE THAT EARLIER. 
          WE'LL HAVE IT IN A, IN A IN A SECOND, BUT I'M GONNA SHOW YOU THE PICTURE OF WHAT WE INTEND TO, TO INSTALL. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A ME IT'S WHAT WE CALL, IT'S A ME MEGA PACK, TESLA MEGA PACK. 
          AND, UH, AND, UH, THIS IS THE PICTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          ACTUALLY HERE YOU HAVE FOUR MEGA PACKS. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'LL HAVE, UH, BEHIND GREEN GREENVILLE, THAT D EACH ONE OF THESE, EACH OF 
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THESE IS CALLED THE MEGA PACK. 
          AND ONE MEGA PACK HAS A, IS FIVE FEET DEEP, 22 FEET WIDE, AND ABOUT EIGHT FEET TALL. 
          NOW, ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT IT WOULD BE ONE MEGA PACK DEEP ALONG THE REAR, UH, OF THE BUILDING? OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT IT BEING TWO MEGA PACKS? D WE, WE PROPOSING FOUR MEGA PACKS, JUST LIKE THIS. 
          INSTALLATION TWO SETS PARALLEL. 
          SO FOUR MEGA PACKS. 
          YES. 
          AND THE FOUR MEGA PACKS, THEY WILL, UH, LOOK. 
          UM, SO YOU'RE NOW 20 FEET OFF THE BUILDING, NOT HAVING ANY SETBACK IN THE FRONT OF IT. 
          WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PARKING SPACES ACROSS THE WAY? WE ARE NOT GOING BEYOND THE YELLOW LINE HERE. 
          SO WE, BECAUSE IF WE GO BEYOND THE YELLOW LINE, WE WOULD NOT, WE WOULD VIOLATE THE, THE, THE DRIVEWAY REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO IS THAT 30 FEET TO THE BUILDING? UH, APPROXIMATELY, YES. 
          WELL, OBVIOUSLY WHEN THERE'S ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, THIS HAS GOT A WAYS TO GO YET ANYWAY, SO, BUT YOU KNOW, THE DETAILS ARE IMPORTANT AND THE NEIGHBORS EXPECT DETAILS. 
          WELL, WE HAVE, UH, PUT TOGETHER DRAWINGS, UH, THAT WE SUBMITTED WITH THE LAYOUT. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S, GARRETT HAS THEM AND WE CAN CIRCULATE IF YOU WANTED TO. 
          UH, BUT YEAH, THAT'S, UH, AND I ASSUME YOU'D WANT BALLARDS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE YEAH, OF COURSE. 
          THE COPS, OF COURSE, WILL PUT BALLARDS. 
          AND AGAIN, REMEMBER ONE THING IS THAT THE FIRST PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR INSTALLATION, UH, IS THE LANDLORD. 
          'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY ISSUES WHATSOEVER, ANYWHERE BETWEEN THEIR TENANTS COMPLAINING OR HAVING BOUGHT FORBID THE FIRE OR ANYTHING. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE GOT THE TENANTS, WE GOT LANDLORD COMFORTABLE AS WELL. 
          SO YES, DOLLARS, FENCING, YOU KNOW MM-HMM. 
          , WE WOULD PUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, BUMPS TO SLOW FOR ANY VEHICLE THAT WOULD DRIVE HERE TO, TO DRIVE SLOWER, YOU KNOW, TO LIMIT THE, THE SPEED, UH, SPEED LIMIT BUMPS, UH, ALL KINDS OF, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER TECHNIQUES ARE AVAILABLE TO MANAGE THE SPEED AND WHOEVER, YOU KNOW, CAMERAS, ALARMS, EVERYTHING. 
          ANYBODY, ANYBODY ELSE? ARE THERE ANY, UH, RESIDENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHO THE IDEA WHO WANNA PRIOR HAVE QUESTIONS? I THINK THERE WERE A FEW PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO BE ON THE ZOOM LINK. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UH, I THINK, UM, COLIN MCCARTHY IS ON FOR, ON BEHALF OF THE E C C. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF COLIN, UH, HAD HAD A QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          HI, HOW ARE YOU? C COULD YOU, ARE YOU SELLING THIS POWER BACK TO THE GRID HERE AS WELL AND, AND SUPPLYING THE, UM, THE SHOPPING CENTERS? OR IS THIS SOLELY FOR USE IN THE SHOPPING CENTER? UH, NO, THIS IS GOING TO BE UNDER THE COMMUNITY SOLAR PROGRAM, WHICH MEANS THAT EVERY SINGLE OF YOU GUYS WILL BE MORE THAN WELCOME TO SUBSCRIBE AND WE'LL OFFER 10% DISCOUNT ON THE ELECTRICITY BILL. 
          SO COMMUNITY SOLAR FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS IN THE TOWN. 
          I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND. 
          COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT AGAIN? I, I MEAN, ARE YOU'RE SELLING THIS BACK TO THE, TO THE TOWN SUPPLY? SO, SO COMMUNITY SOLAR IS A PROGRAM THAT HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE BY THE STATE WHERE IF YOU HAVE A CON EDISON ACCOUNT, YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE TO THE PRODUCTION OF THE RENEWABLE ENERGY, UH, RESOURCE IN YOUR ELECTRIC ZONE. 
          AND TECHNICALLY THE WAY IT WORKS IS THAT YOUR METER IS LINKED TO THE METER OF THE INSTALLATION, 
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AND THERE IS LIKE A FORMULA AND AN ALGORITHM, AND YOU WILL, UH, YOU WILL BE SUPPLIED BY THIS INSTALLATION. 
          NOT NECESSARILY, THE ELECTRONS ARE NOT NECESSARILY GOING FROM THIS BATTERY DIRECTLY TO YOUR HOME, BUT AT LEAST FROM A FINANCIAL POINT OF VIEW, IT WOULD BE SET UP THAT WAY. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S A MECHANISM THAT THE STATE HAS DEVELOPED. 
          SO PEOPLE WILL GET ENCOURAGED TO BUY INTO RENEWABLE RESOURCES. 
          YOU WON'T ACTUALLY SEE YOUR, YOUR ELECTRIC BILL DROP. 
          YOU HAVE TO, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO AFFIRMATIVELY APPLY AND GET INTO THE PROGRAM, AND THEN YOU GET THE 10% DISCOUNT. 
          YES. 
          THE CLOSEST COMPARISON IS THIS. 
          SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE, UH, AN ESCO, I'M SURE YOU HAVE BEEN GETTING A LOT OF CALLS FROM ENERGY SUPPLY COMPANIES, THE, UH, DIRECT ENERGIES OF THE WORLD. 
          IT WOULD WORK A ABOUT THE SAME WAY. 
          THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT DIRECT ENERGY SELLS YOU, UH, GAS OR COAL FUELED POWER, WHEREAS WE SELL SOLAR OR BATTERY STORAGE, UM, YOU KNOW, POWER. 
          BUT IT WORKS IN A VERY SIMILAR FASHION. 
          AND, AND YOUR PROFIT MARGIN DEPENDS ON THE RATES AT WHICH YOU SELL IT BACK TO CONNET. 
          SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THOSE RATES DROP AND THIS NO LONGER BECOMES FINANCIALLY VIABLE FOR YOU TO HAVE THIS INSTALLATION THERE? MOST OF ALL, VERY IMPORTANT. 
          WE DO NOT SELL TO CON EDISON. 
          CON EDISON IS JUST MANAGING THE PIPES. 
          THEY ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE JUST MANAGING THE PIPES. 
          THEY'RE GONNA MANAGE ACTUALLY THE BILLING AS WELL, BUT THE ECONOMICS OF THE PROJECT ARE LOCKED THE DAY THERE IS A FINANCIAL CLOSING BEFORE THE INSTALLATION. 
          AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THE PROJECT COST IS ESTABLISHED, SOMEBODY PAYS FOR IT, LET'S SAY LANDLORD. 
          AND, AND THEN WE, WE HAVE A PROJECTION OF OUR FUTURE CASH FLOWS FROM THE SALE OF ELECTRICITY TO, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE COMMUNITY SOLAR SUBSCRIBERS. 
          AND IF FIVE YEARS FROM NOW YOU, YOU CAN'T HAVE A VOLATILITY OR CHANGE IN THE PRICE, IN THE CASH FLOWS BECAUSE BASICALLY NYSERDA HAS ENGAGED, OR THE STATE HAS ENGAGED FOR US TO GET THOSE CASH FLOWS IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS. 
          SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE PRICE OF ELECTRICITY DOES, IT'S, WE, WE ARE, WE ARE LOCKED ON A CERTAIN RATE THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET FOR THE NEXT 10, 10 YEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE STATE TELLS YOU A PUT ON ELECTRICITY FOR 10 YEARS AND WHAT HAPPENS AT THE END OF THAT 10 YEAR PERIOD? IF RATES ARE LOW AT THAT POINT AND, AND THE INSTALLATION IS NO LONGER VIABLE, THEN WELL, ACTUALLY THE, THAT'S, YOU BRING UP A A VERY GOOD POINT THAT, UH, I'M SURE THAT THIS IS GONNA BE RAISED THE DECOMMISSIONING AT THE END, WHICH WAS ALSO THE CASE AT YORKTOWN, WHERE WE CAN HAVE WE HAPPILY PLACE A BOND AND IN 10, 15 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN THE, UH, THIS EXPIRES, UH, THE INSTALLATION WILL BE REMOVED, UH, SAFELY. 
          UH, BUT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THERE IS A STRONG LIKELIHOOD THAT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN 15 YEARS IS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A REPLACEMENT OF THE, UH, BATTERIES WITH MORE ADVANCED TECHNOLOGIES BECAUSE PROBLEM DOESN'T GO AWAY. 
          PEOPLE ARE GONNA NEED ELECTRICITY IN 15 YEARS AS WELL. 
          SO IT'S JUST GOTTA BE MORE EFFICIENT. 
          UM, I GOT A, SORRY. 
          I GOT A EMAIL FROM CAROLYN AND PETER ZI S AND THEY SAID, WE ARE WRITING TO EXPRESS OUR CONCERN REGARDING THE PROPOSAL BY GREENVILLE SHOPPING CENTER AND I P P SOLAR L L C, TO LOCATE A TESLA POWER, UM, PACK BATTERY STORAGE SYSTEM BEHIND THE T G I F IN THE GREENVILLE SHOPPING CENTER, AS YOU KNOW, THE REAR OF THE GREENVILLE SHOPPING CENTER, WHERE THE E S S IS PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED ABOVE THE RESIDENTIAL STREET. 
          IN ADDITION TO WHATEVER DANGERS THE E S SS WILL POSE TO PEDESTRIANS VISITING THE SHOPPING CENTER, THE E S SS WILL POSE A DANGER TO THE RESIDENCE OF DORCHESTER DRIVE. 
          FIRST, DESPITE THE REPRESENTATION THAT THE CHANCE OF AN EXPLOSION IS IN, IN DISMAL, THERE HAS BEEN, THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ENOUGH INSTALLATIONS OF THESE LITHIUM I I ON BATTERY SYSTEMS WITH A PROLONGED 
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OPERATING HISTORY TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT REPRESENTATION. 
          IN FACT, THAT SUCH A STATEMENT WOULD APPEAR IN THE PLANS PREPARED BY MAYFLOWER ENERGY ENGINEERING, A L L C MAYFLOWER IS ITSELF A RED FLAG. 
          FURTHERMORE, THERE ARE OTHER CONCERNS BESIDES EXPLOSION. 
          NAMELY, IF THERMAL RUNAWAY OCCURS, THE TWO LIKELY OUTCOMES ARE THE E S S WILL IGNITE AND CATCH FIRE OR THE E S S SYSTEM, UH, BENT. 
          S AS IT IS DESIGNED TO DO, AS ONE OF THE CAUSES OF EXPLOSIONS, IS A BUILD UP OF S FOR THESE REASONS, THESE SYSTEMS ARE NOT DESIGNED TO BE LOCATED IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          WHILE THE GREENVILLE SHOPPING CENTER MAY BE A COMMERCIAL ZONE, IT'S PROPERTY LINE ABOVE THE RESIDENTIAL STREET DORCHESTER DRIVE. 
          AND IT WAS NEVER CONTEMPLATED THAT RETAIL OFFICE COMMERCIAL ZONES WOULD INCLUDE POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS BATTERY STORAGE SYSTEMS. WE DO NOT NOW, BUT FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEMS, IF ANY, ARE DESIGNED FOR THE PROPOSED INSULATION, BUT REGARDLESS TO MAY FLOWER FOR HIMSELF SAYS IN THAT, IN THE EVENT OF A FIRE, IT IS BETTER TO LET THE FIRE BURN ITSELF OUT RATHER THAN TRY TO PUT IT OUT. 
          WATER ONLY DELAYS EVENTUAL COMBUSTION OF THE ENTIRE UNIT, AND THAT IT CAN POTENTIALLY BURN FOR OVER 24 HOURS. 
          THIS WOULD SEEM TO BE DANGEROUS, UH, CONDITION TO ALLOW IT TO EXIST NOT ONLY FOR THE SHOPPING CENTER ITSELF, BUT THE RESIDENTS ABUTTING THE CENTER AS WELL. 
          IN THE EVENT OF PROLONGED FIRE, UM, THE RESIDENTS WILL BE IMPACTED BY SMOKE BURNING AN EXTENDED PERIOD, AND POTENTIALLY WORSE IN THE EVENT THAT WHEN CARRIES EMBERS OR SPARKS UP TO THE BRUSH AND PALMS ON DORCHESTER DRIVE SEPARATELY, IF NOT JUST GAZ ARE ALLOWED TO VENT IN ORDER TO PREVENT EXPLOSION AS A MAY. 
          FLOWER TRANS INDICATE THE VENT ON THE TOP IS DESIGNED TO EVACUATE GAZ BUILDUP. 
          DEPENDING ON THE DIRECTION OF THE WIND, THE OBNOXIOUS GEARS WILL BE MIGRATING TO DORCHESTER DRIVE AND AFFECTING THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF ITS RESIDENTS. 
          THERE IS NO MENTION OF THE FREQUENCY EFFECT OF THIS, UH, OFF GAZING. 
          LASTLY, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT POTENTIAL OF NOISE FROM THE FACULTY SINCE THE FACILITY, SINCE THIS LOCATION IS UNDER A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE HOMES ON DORCHESTER DRIVE, WHILE WE BELIEVE IN SOLAR POWER AND RENEWABLE SUSTAINABLE ENERGY SYSTEMS THAT POTENTIALLY ENDANGER THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF RESIDENTS SHOULD NOT BE LOCATED IN OR AVOIDING RESIDENTIAL AREAS WOULD APPEAR THAT THERE WOULD BE A MORE ISOLATED PROPERTY THAT THESE SYSTEMS COULD BE LOCATED ON. 
          AND, UM, I'LL FORWARD THE EMAIL TO, UH, THE TOWN BOARD AND YOU, IF YOU WANNA RESPOND TO ANY OF HER CONCERNS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND, UH, AGAIN, WE, WE UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THE CONCERNS. 
          UH, ALL I CAN SAY IS FIRST, UM, THE, THE EQUIPMENT HAS A NUMBER OF UL LISTING THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, REQUIRED BY REGULATORS, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE STATE, THE, THE FIRE, YOU KNOW, CODE, THE NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE AND NYSERDA AND, AND SO ON. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE JUST INSTALLING WHAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED TO BE SAVED BY THE REGULATORS IF, UH, SO THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, UM, IF THERE ARE, WE ARE NOT REALLY THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO, TO THEN ADDRESS IT AT THAT POINT. 
          UH, MAKE SURE THAT I RECEIVE THAT EMAIL. 
          UM, THAT'S CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, THE TYPE OF, UH, SERIES OF QUESTIONS THAT WE WOULD HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, INDEPENDENT CO YEAH, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL EMAIL IT TO YOU NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          SO YEAH, THE, SO THEY, THEY COME UP WITH A TON OF YOUR LISTING, ALL KINDS OF CERTIFICATIONS, UH, THAT ARE DEEMED TO BE, YOU KNOW, ESTABLISHING SAFETY OF THE PRODUCT. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT, I KNOW NOISES, UH, HAS BEEN A CONCERN. 
          THEY WILL SEND YOU THE MATERIAL THAT DEMONSTRATE THAT THE DEVICE IS NOT NOISY. 
          UM, AND THEN WE DO THE INSTALLATION AS PER NEW YORK CITY FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT ALLOWS INSTALLATION IN A WAY MORE DENSE AREA, WHICH IS NEW YORK CITY. 
          I WOULD SAY THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE PROBABLY HAVE POWER WALLS IN THEIR HOMES. 
          MAYBE THAT NEIGHBORS, UM, HAS ANOTHER NEIGHBOR WHO HAS POWERWALL INSTALLATIONS IN THEIR HOME AND THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT. 
          AND THAT IS NO LESS OR NO MORE, UH, NO LESS SAFE THAN WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, I BELIEVE. 
          UH, SO , WE'RE NOT, CLEARLY, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO ANSWER ALL, ALL OF THOSE. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LENGTHY QUESTION THERE, BUT, UM, SO APPRECIATE IT. 
          BUT, YOU 
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KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET TO THE BOTTOM OF ALL THOSE QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          UM, BUT, UH, YEAH, SORRY, IT'S, UH, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S THE, THE SOLUTION WE ARE PROPOSING . 
          SO I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THIS FORUM WAS DESIGNED TO, UH, THE INITIAL FORUM WAS DESIGNED TO RAISE OUR AWARENESS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF INSTALLATIONS ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE OUT THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, WE ASK GREAT QUESTIONS. 
          UM, I ALSO THINK IT'S HELPFUL, YOU KNOW, TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE INTEREST THAT MAIS ZAR HAS AT THIS SITE SO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AWARE AS A TOWN WHEN WE THINK ABOUT CRAFTING A LOCAL LAW THAT ALRIGHT, THERE, THERE'S DEFINITELY INTEREST AT, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND, AND CLEARLY ON CENTRAL. 
          SO THESE ARE ALL THINGS WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT. 
          THINGS WE NEED TO ENGAGE. 
          WE'RE GONNA GET INFORMATION FROM NYSERDA, WE'RE GONNA LEAN HEAVILY ON A SAFETY CONSULTANT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT FUMES AND SETBACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE NATURE OF THE MEETING TONIGHT WASN'T FOR THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION TO SAY YES OR NO. 
          IT'S, UH, I WOULDN'T EVEN CALL IT A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE. 
          IT'S REALLY, AGAIN, I PUT IT MORE IN THE CATEGORY OF LET'S JUST RAISE OUR AWARENESS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE POTENTIAL IS OUT THERE, UM, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TAKE VIABLE NEXT STEPS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE THINK ABOUT A LOCAL LAW. 
          SO, UM, I, I JUST DID WANNA MAKE THAT COMMENT. 
          UM, OF COURSE. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          AND AT THIS POINT, DOES THE BOARD, UM, DESIRE I, SO MAY  HAD INTEREST AT THE NEIGHBORING, UH, MIDWAY, DID YOU WANT TO HEAR A BRIEFING ON, ON, ON THAT PROPOSAL? OR AT THIS POINT, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION, UM, YOU KNOW, , UM, PICTURES? I CAN SHOW PICTURES AS WELL, JUST SO EVERYONE HAS A QUICK IDEA. 
          AND THEN, DOES THAT SOUND GOOD? MIGHT AS WELL AT THIS POINT, . 
          YEAH, SO I DISAGREE. 
          I DISAGREE THAT WE MIGHT AS WELL AT THIS POINT. 
          YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO, I THINK WE NEED TO TALK TO OUR EXPERT. 
          WE NEED TO TALK TO OUR EXPERT ABOUT THIS GENTLEMAN'S PROPOSAL AND THEN ASK THIS GENTLEMAN SOME MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE EXPERT TELLS US. 
          AT THIS POINT, THIS GENTLEMAN IS JUST GOING TO BE TELLING US WHAT HE'S ALREADY SUBMITTED TO US. 
          SO HE'S BASICALLY GOING TO BE REPEATING HIMSELF. 
          I MEAN, UNLESS THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE PRESENT NOW THAT HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE ON. 
          I AGREE WITH KEN, YOUR HONOR. 
          I WOULD AGREE. 
          I AGREE. 
          OKAY, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          LEMME JUST ASK A QUESTION. 
          IF, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WOULD LIKE TO, UM, MEET WITH YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, INFORMALLY, UH, WOULD YOU BE AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, OVER ZOOM TO, UH, MEET WITH IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND GO OVER DETAILS OF YOUR PROPOSAL? ABSOLUTELY. 
          I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO MEET ANYBODY ZOOM MEETING ON SITE. 
          I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. 
          IF SOMEBODY CAME WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, UH, I I WOULD HAVE SIMILAR CONCERNS. 
          IT'S COMPLETELY LEGITIMATE. 
          AND, UH, AND WE'RE NOT COWBOYS. 
          WE'RE NOT COWBOYS. 
          WE'LL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN. 
          I MEAN, COWBOYS, UH, FORGIVE ME, I'M NOT . 
          IN OTHER WORDS, WE ARE HERE TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE'S CONCERNS AND, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN CONVINCE, UH, THE COMMUNITY THAT THIS IS, UH, SAFE AND THAT IT WILL BE BENEFICIAL. 
          AND UH, AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, IT DOESN'T WORK IT WE'LL DO WE'LL DO OUR BEST. 
          BUT PLEASE, YEAH, DO LET ME KNOW. 
          I'LL BE HAPPY TO MEET, UH, MEET YOU GUYS WHENEVER YOU LIKE. 
          THANK YOU MA. 
          GREAT SUGGESTION. 
          I KNOW MR. STERN LIVES CLOSER TO THE OTHER SUBMISSION, SO I KNOW HE HAS INTEREST THERE, BUT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, UM, I WILL CONNECT, UH, ZIAR WITH, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS, AS YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY INDICATE THEY'RE AVAILABLE. 
          SO, SO THANKS FOR THAT SUGGESTION AND THANK YOU ZIAR FOR YOUR TIME. 
          VERY HELPFUL. 
          UM, APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING AMAZING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GARY, YOU WERE RIGHT ON TARGET WHEN YOU SAID IT WAS GONNA BE 20 MINUTES, RIGHT? AND, AND WHEN YOU DO FOLLOW UP, IF YOU COULD LET US KNOW WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR CONED, UH, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO, UH, CONNECT INTO A TRANSFORMER ON SITE ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          I'LL, VERY GOOD. 
          HAVE A GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          BYE. 
          AYE, AYE. 
          SO PAUL, DID YOU DISCUSS THE TRANSPORTATION, UH, SAFE, THE TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMITTEE? YEAH. 
          I JUST WANTED TO 
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SEE IF WE COULD JUST FORMALIZE, UH, THE COMMITTEE AND MAYBE PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA WITH THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AND THEN WE COULD ALWAYS, UM, ADD, UH, YEAH, THE COMMITTEE, YOU, YOU AND OTHER PEOPLE LATER ON, BUT THIS WAY AT LEAST WE'RE, WE COULD START WORKING. 
          UH, DO, DO WE KNOW THAT THEY WANNA ACTUALLY BE ON IT? UH, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT, UM, WE COULD, UM, UM, INVITE THEM TO THE WORK. 
          YOU KNOW, WE COULD HAVE ASK JOAN TO INVITE ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE, UH, TO, UH, TO MEET WITH THE TOWN BOARD JUST LIKE WE DO WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          HAVEN'T THEY ALREADY FORMED THE COMMITTEE IS, AREN'T THEY ALREADY WORKING ? NO, THIS IS, THIS WAS A COMMITTEE THAT, UH, THEY, THEY RECOMMENDED. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST PUT IT ON A WORK SESSION, YOU KNOW, CALL 'EM AND UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE COULD, YOU KNOW, MOVE AHEAD AND THEN WE COULD CREATE THE COMMITTEE. 
          SO WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T YOU PUT TOGETHER THE NAMES WITH GEOGRAPHIC DIVERSITY THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR? UH, 'CAUSE IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THREE OF THE FOUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, LIVED ALONG THE CENTRAL AVENUE CORRIDOR DOOR, AND, UH, WE HAD, UH, WE HAD ONE THAT WAS OVER ON MANHATTAN AVENUE, AND I THINK SOMEBODY WAS WILLING TO BE PART OF THIS FROM TAXI ROAD AREA, BUT WE, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE ONE 19 AND NINE A. 
          SO, AND THERE MAY BE OTHERS, ANOTHER AREA NEAR JACKSON AVENUE, JUST, UH, SO THAT WE HAVE SOME GEOGRAPHICAL DIVERSITY ON THE COMMITTEE. 
          SO, SO WHY DON'T WE ADDRESS THAT IN THE INTERIM BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT WEEK? UM, OKAY, WE ALREADY DID THE GUN VIOLENCE. 
          THAT'S BASICALLY IT. 
          I THINK I SAW SOMETHING ABOUT A CLARIFICATION OF THE LETTER TO NYSERDA. 
          DID YOU ADDRESS THAT? OH, YEAH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WITH NYSERDA, I WROTE A LETTER IN MY LAST SENTENCE, UM, UH, OR THE LAST PARAGRAPH, I THINK I SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS AN IMPLICATION THAT I WOULD, THAT I WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICATION. 
          I REALLY WANTED TO CLARIFY IT AND MENTION THAT, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT FOR THE APPLICATION, I'M NOT AGAINST IT. 
          I'M OPEN-MINDED DEPENDING ON, UM, THE, UH, THE RESULT OF OUR ANALYSIS. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THAT THE BOARD THOUGHT THAT I SHOULD, UM, SEND A FOLLOW-UP LETTER TO THEM BECAUSE I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M MISREPRESENTING, YOU KNOW, MY POSITION OR, OR THE TOWN BOARD'S POSITION YOU SENT. 
          YOU SAID YOU SENT IT ALREADY, YOU CAN DO IT. 
          I SENT THE LETTER, BUT YOU KNOW, THE WORDING WASN'T, UM, YOU KNOW, AS EXACT AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. 
          YOU KNOW, I TAKE THE BLAME FOR THAT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UNLESS YOU CONTACT, UNLESS YOU CONTACT SOMEONE, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT THAT LETTER TO GET LOST AND, AND WE, WE LOSE IT. 
          I MEAN, YOU CAN SEND AN ADDENDUM JUST SO, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THIS STATEMENT. 
          UM, OKAY, THEN I'LL GET THAT OUT. 
          YOU CAN AT LEAST, AT LEAST THERE'S A RECORD OF IT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I WANT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN UH, ARE WE GONNA GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION? YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION, RIGHT? REGARDING CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS. 
          UM, YOU'RE SEEKING LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING, REGARDING THAT AND OTHER MATTERS, AND THERE SOME PERSONAL MATTERS RELATING TO INDIVIDUAL PERSONS. 
          SO YOU'RE MAKING THAT MOTION? YEP. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          A TONIGHT. 
          HAVE A GOOD, EVERYBODY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO.
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