Jan 26, 2021 Town Board - Work Session

TARA GREENBERG TOWN BOARD MEETING.

WELCOME

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TODAY IS, UH, JANUARY 26TH AT 6:07 PM AND, UM, WE'RE GONNA START, UM, WITH A MOTION FOR A VERY QUICK EXECUTIVE SESSION, UM, TO INTERVIEW SOMEBODY FOR A COMMITTEE.

IT IS JUST GONNA TAKE A FEW MINUTES.

YOU'RE MAKING THAT MOTION? I'M MAKING THE MOTION.

SECOND.

AND WE WILL BE COMING BACK VERY SHORTLY.

SO WE'RE BACK AT THE BOARD MEETING AND WE HAVE SOME EXCITING NEWS.

UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK MARK WEINGARTEN TO TELL US WHAT REGENERON WANTS TO DO.

GOOD EVENING, MR. SUPERVISOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

MY NAME IS MARK WEINGARTEN.

I'M A PARTNER IN THE LAW FIRM OF BILL BELLO DANNEL, WEINGARTEN WISE AND WHITAKER, AND IS INDEED MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING, REPRESENTING REGENERON INC.

IN CONNECTION WITH ITS SOON TO BE FILED.

REQUEST FOR AMENDED SITE PLAN, WETLANDS, STEEP SLOPES, AND TREE REMOVAL APPROVALS, AS WELL AS CERTAIN AREA S RELATING TO, UH, F A R AND REAR YARDS TO PERMIT THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN APPROXIMATELY 207,000 SQUARE FOOT LABORATORY BUILDING LOCATED ON PARCEL D OF THE REGENERON CAMPUS.

LOCATED AT 7 7 7 OLD SAWMILL RIVER ROAD IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.

THE ENTIRE CAMPUS, AS YOU KNOW, IS APPROXIMATELY 250 ACRES, INCLUDING APPROXIMATELY 70 IN THE TOWN OF MOUNT PLEASANT.

I MENTIONED THAT THIS APPLICATION IS SOON TO BE FILED.

WE REQUESTED THIS APPEAR TO SHARE WITH YOU OUR PLANS AND TO RECEIVE HIGH LEVEL COMMENTS FROM YOUR BOARD PRIOR TO FILING IN THE EVENT THERE WERE SUGGESTIONS OR CONCERNS WHICH WE COULD RESPOND TO BEFORE FINALIZING OUR PLANS.

SO WE'LL USE OUR TIME TO PRESENT THE PROPOSED PLAN AND LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR FEEDBACK TO HELP US FINALIZE OUR SUBMISSION.

AS YOU ARE WELL AWARE, REGENERON IS A WORLDWIDE LEADER IN BIOTECHNOLOGY, WHICH INVENTS LIFE TRANSFORMING MEDICINES FOR PEOPLE WITH SERIOUS ILLNESSES.

FOUNDED OVER 30 YEARS AGO AND LED BY WESTCHESTER RESIDENTS.

REGENERON IS HEADQUARTERED IN GREENBURG AND HAS CONSISTENTLY TRANSLATED SCIENCE INTO MEDICINE, WHICH HAS LED TO EIGHT F D A APPROVED TREATMENTS AND PRODUCTS, ALL HOMEGROWN IN ITS OWN LABS.

REGENERON WAS RECENTLY IN THE NATIONAL SPOTLIGHT WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS INFECTED WITH CORRO CORONA VIRUS.

THE DOCTORS AT WALTER REED HOSPITAL PRESCRIBED THE COURSE OF TREATMENT, WHICH INCLUDED THE REGENERON MONOCLONAL ANTIBODY TREATMENT.

THIS TREATMENT, AGAIN, WAS THE SUBJECT OF EXCITING STUDIES, WHICH WERE REPORTED TODAY IN THE NEWSPAPERS.

UH, REGENERON IS SIMPLY AT THE CUTTING EDGE, AND WE ARE PROUD THAT THE COMPANY IS HEADQUARTERED AND LOCATED HERE.

THE WESTCHESTER CAMP CAMPUS CURRENTLY EMPLOYS OVER 3000 PEOPLE.

I'M JOINED TONIGHT BY A SLEW OF PEOPLE.

I WILL INTRODUCE THOSE THAT YOU'LL HEAR FROM IN A MOMENT.

UH, YOU'LL HEAR FROM GEORGE PO POTH, OUR VICE PRESIDENT OF REAL ESTATE AND FACILITIES MANAGEMENT, WHO YOU ALL KNOW FROM, UH, OUR PREVIOUS, UH, UH, WORK BEFORE YOU ON THE LOOP ROAD PROJECT.

AND YOU'LL ALSO HEAR FROM STEVEN SPINA, WHO'S OUR ENGINEER FROM, UH, J M C, REPRESENTING J M C, WHO'S THE PROJECT MANAGER.

THERE ARE A HOST OF OTHERS, ARCHITECTS, REGENERON EMPLOYEES, AND OF COURSE MY PARTNER, JANET GERIS, THAT IS ALSO, UH, JOINING US THIS EVENING.

AND, AND IS THERE, UM, SO THIS FIRST, UH, SLIDE IS THE REGENERON CAMPUS.

YOU ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH IT.

UH, I DON'T HAVE AN INDICATOR, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, TO THE LEFT OF THE, THE RED AREA, YOU HAVE, UH, OLD SAWMILL RIVER ROAD THAT BISECTS THE CAMPUS.

UH, TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT IS, UH, MOUNT PLEASANT, AND TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT IS THE GREENBURG PORTION OF THE CAMPUS.

ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT IS THE LOOP ROAD, UH, IS THE LOOP ROAD AREA THAT WE'LL BE REFERRING TO.

UH, THE, UH, THE CAMPUS ITSELF, NOT, NOT INCLUDING LOOP ROAD, WAS ACQUIRED BY, UH, REGENERON IN A TRANSACTION IN MARCH OF 2017.

THE GREENBERG PROPERTY, UH, THE LOOP ROAD HOLDINGS WILL START WITH THAT, WHICH IS ALL THE WAY TO THE SOUTH TO THE RIGHT, UH, IS ZOOMED P E D.

IT IS NOT THE SUBJECT OF THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, BUT YOU'LL RECALL THAT BACK IN 2015, WE RECEIVED APPROVALS, SITE PLAN, SUBDIVISION WETLANDS, STEEP SLOPES, AND TREE REMOVAL PERMITS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF 1 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF RESEARCH DEVELOPMENT FACILITIES.

THE FRONT PORTION OF THE GREENBERG SITE, UH, IN BETWEEN MOUNT PLEASANT, THE MOUNT PLEASANT OR THE OLDS SOUL MILL RIVER ROAD, UH, AND THE, UH, LOOP ROAD IS APPROXIMATELY 65 AND A HALF ACRES.

IT'S LOCATED IN THE OFFICE BUILDING DISTRICT OF THE TOWN.

IT'S CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH THREE BUILDINGS.

IT CONTAINS APPROXIMATELY 360,000 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING.

WE REFER TO THEM AS BUILDING BUILDINGS,

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A, B, AND C.

YOU CAN SEE, UH, HOPEFULLY THE, THE SMALL PRINT PARCEL A, PARCEL B, AND PARCEL C, THAT THE CURSOR IS GOING AROUND.

UH, AND THEN FINALLY IN THE RED WE HAVE PARCEL D, WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION.

UH, JUST AS BRIEF BACKGROUND, PARCEL D UH, UH, CAME BEFORE YOUR BOARD BY THE PREDECESSOR TO REGENERON, WHICH WAS B M R LANDMARK AT EASTVIEW, UH, UH, REGENERON, UH, I'M SORRY, THE, THE B M R LANDMARK AT EASTVIEW RECEIVED AMENDED SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR PARCEL B B IN OCTOBER OF 2014.

THAT APPROVAL WAS FOR 128,500 SQUARE FEET, PLUS A PENTHOUSE, A FOUR STORY BUILDING WITH OFF STREET PARKING, LANDSCAPING, AND RELATED AMENITIES FOR AN R AND D AND OFFICE BUILDING.

SO 128,000 PLUS PENTHOUSE BUILDING.

UH, THEY RECEIVED THEIR SLEEP SLOPE AND WETLAND PERMIT APPROVALS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD IN NOVEMBER OF 2014.

THE PROPOSED PLAN THAT WE HAVE THAT WE'RE SHARING WITH YOU THIS EVENING IS TO BUILD ON THAT ORIGINAL APPROVAL FROM PARCEL D UH, AND AS YOU CAN SEE IT NOW IN A, IN A, IN A, IN A MORE, UH, WIDER SCREEN.

UH, AND YOU CAN, YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT THE P M P D BUILDING THAT WE'RE ADDING TO PARCEL D UH, AS YOU, AS I MENTIONED, WE HAD A 128,000 SQUARE FOOT FOUR STORY R AND D OFFICE BUILDING WITH AN ENCLOSED MECHANICAL PENTHOUSE COVERING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE ROOF APPROVED BACK IN 2014.

WE WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THAT PLAN TO A 207,000 SQUARE FOOT, TWO STORY R AND D BUILDING WITH ENCLOSED MECHANICAL PENTHOUSE COVERING ONLY 71% OF THE ROOFTOP.

SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO NOW IS INTRODUCE GEORGE POST TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT REGENERON AND THE CAMPUS AS A WHOLE, WHO WILL THEN BE TURNING IT OVER TO STEVE SPINA TO TAKE YOU THROUGH THE SPECIFICS OF THE SITE PLAN, UH, PROPOSAL, AND THEN, OF COURSE, OPEN IT UP TO FEEDBACK AND QUESTIONS.

SO, GEORGE, YOU WANNA TAKE IT FROM THERE? SURE WILL.

THANK YOU, MARK.

AND DID, UH, FOR THE RECORD, UH, MY NAME IS GEORGE POTH.

I AM VICE PRESIDENT OF REAL ESTATE AND FACILITIES MANAGEMENT AT REGENERON PHARMACEUTICALS, UH, LOCATED, UH, HERE IN GREENBURG.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU FOR LETTING US SHARE 15 OR 20 MINUTES WITH YOU THIS EVENING, AND IT IS SO GREAT TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN.

IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD, AND, UH, IT'S, I'M HOPING THAT EVERYONE IS, IS CERTAINLY STAYING SAFE AND HEALTHY.

AS MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW, UH, IN 2017, REGENERON PURCHASED A GREENBURG CAMPUS REPRESENTING ABOUT 1.4 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF, OF LAB AND OFFICE SPACE.

WHEN WE PURCHASED THE CAMPUS, IT WAS A MULTI-TENANTED CAMPUS, AND MANY OF OUR TENANTS HAVE MOVED OUT, AND REGENERON HAS RECAPTURED THEIR SPACE FOR OUR OWN GROWTH.

AND AS WE CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR DIFFERENT WAYS, UH, TO SATISFY OUR FUTURE GROWTH OF MANY OF OUR COMPANIES, DIFFERENT OPERATIONS, AND ONE IN PARTICULAR, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT EXPANDING OUR PRECLINICAL AND PROCESS DEVELOPMENT FUNCTION.

WE ALSO, IT'S, IT'S ALS ALSO REFERENCED, UH, YOU'LL SEE ON THE DRAWINGS AS AS P N P D.

THIS FUNCTION TRULY PLAYS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT ROLE AND ACTS AS THE GATEWAY BETWEEN OUR RESEARCH AND OUR PRODUCT SUPPLY ORGANIZATION.

AND THIS FUNCTION MAY FIT WELL IN THE AMENDED PARCEL D DESIGN THAT YOU'LL SEE IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES.

SO WHAT IS P M P D? UM, IN, IN GENERAL TERMS, P M P D PRODUCES, UH, GRAM SCALE QUANTITIES OF PROTEINS FOR PRECLINICAL STUDIES.

IN ADDITION, THEY SUPPLY PROTEIN TO OUR DISCOVERY GROUP, OUR R D GROUP, OUR QUALITY CONTROL TEAM, AS WELL AS EXTERNAL COLLABORATORS.

P M P D ALSO DESIGNS, DEVELOPS AND IMPLEMENTS PRODUCTION PROCESSES FOR G M P OR GOOD MANUFACTURING PRACTICE.

AND OF COURSE, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, UH, TO ENSURE HEALTHY AND AND REPRODUCIBLE CULTURE, THESE CELLS ARE GROWN FROM A, A, A VIAL, A SMALL VIAL, UH, INDUSTRIAL QUANTITIES.

UH, UH, THEY'RE GROWN FROM VIAL TO INDUSTRIAL QUANTITIES, UH, THROUGH THE PROCESSES DEVELOPED, UH, FOR ALL OUR CLINICAL PHASES AND BEYOND.

AND OF COURSE, YES, OUR TWO C OVID 19 ANTIBODIES THAT THE F D A HAS GRANTED AN EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZATION FOR HAVE GONE THROUGH OUR P M P D OPERATIONS.

SO, AS YOU'LL SEE IN A FEW MINUTES, OUR PROPOSAL FOR THIS AMENDMENT PLATING OUR SCIENCE TO MEDICINE, AND I HOPE THAT WE GAIN YOUR SUPPORT AND CONSIDERATION ON THIS PROPOSAL.

UH, I'D LIKE TO NOW INTRODUCE STEVE SPINA WITH J M C, OUR SITE DEVELOPMENT CONSULTANT.

STEVE WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THE PLAN, UH, THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING.

UH, FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.

THIS IS STEVE SPINA FROM J M C.

WE'RE THE SITE ENGINEER.

UM, WE'RE, UH, FAMILIAR WITH SEV, SEVERAL OF YOU, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING, UH, CLOSELY ON THIS, UH, CAMPUS,

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UM, THROUGHOUT, THROUGHOUT WITH, UH, SOME OF THE BOARDS AND MANY STAFF ON, ON, UH, PAST APPROVALS AS, AS HAVE BEEN MENTIONED, AND OUTSIDE AGENCY APPROVALS AS WELL.

UM, WE WERE OBVIOUSLY INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN THE 2014 APPROVALS, UH, WHICH WERE DONE FOR THE PREVIOUS, UH, LANDOWNER AS MENTIONED.

UM, AND SINCE THEN, THE, THE PROJECT HAS UNDERWENT, UH, VERY DETAILED ANALYSIS OF ALL THE PROGRAMS AND GROWTH.

AND BASICALLY NOW THEY KNOW WHAT THEY NEED AND, AND THE, THE TYPE AND SIZE OF SPACE THAT THEY NEED.

SO IT IS NOW A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR THE NEED.

AND, UH, AS YOU SEE ON THE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU, UM, UH, YOU, YOU MAY RECALL THE PRIOR, UH, UH, ENTITLEMENT, UM, HAD A, UH, UH, A DIFFERENT SHAPED PARKING GARAGE AND A, A DIFFERENT SHAPED BUILDING.

UM, BUT THERE ARE, UH, THE, THE BUILDING NOW IS, IS LARGER IN FOOTPRINT, UH, BUT SHORTER IN HEIGHT.

AND IT, IT WAS DESIGNED THAT WAY FOR THE USE THAT, THAT IT, UH, THAT IT'S SERVING.

AND, UH, THE PARKING GARAGE IS IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT LOCATION.

UH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, BUT, UH, IS, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE EFFICIENT AND, AND PROVIDING THE PARKING THAT IS NEEDED FOR THE USE.

UM, THERE ARE THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES TO THE RIGHT, UH, BETWEEN THE PROPOSED BUILDING THERE AND THE, AND THE, UH, EXISTING LOOP ROAD WHERE IT'S LABELED PARCEL D.

RIGHT? THERE'S SOME STORMWATER BASINS, SOME WETLANDS THERE.

AND, UH, AN IMPORTANT FACT TO NOTE IS THAT WE'VE REALLY RESPECTED THAT, UM, AREA IN TERMS OF WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

NOW.

THERE'S, UM, VERY SIMILAR AMOUNT OF DISTURBANCE TO THE WETLAND, BUFFER AND STEEP SLOPES.

UH, AND WE ARE NOT INCREASING THE, THE, UH, OR WE'RE NOT, UH, DECREASING THE DISTANCE FROM THE WETLANDS.

WE'RE FROM THE WETLANDS.

WE'RE, WE'RE MAINTAINING AT LEAST THE SAME DISTANCE AWAY IN TERMS OF TEMPORARY DISTURBANCE OR PERMANENT DISTURBANCE FOR BUILDING SIDEWALKS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, AND, UH, IF YOU, IF YOU, UM, JUST, UH, BRING UP THE, THE COMPARISON OF THE OLDER, UH, ORIGINAL, UH, APPROVED DRAWING WILL KIND OF APPEAR HERE.

YOU'LL SEE THAT IN YELLOW, WHERE THE, THE PRIOR BUILDING IS DASHED IN YELLOW ON THE BOTTOM THERE, WHERE, UH, IT, IT WAS A SMALLER FOOTPRINT, BUT TALLER.

AND, UH, IT HAD SOME CONNECTIONS TO THE ADJACENT BUILDINGS, WHICH WE ARE STILL PROPOSING.

UH, THERE IS A CONNECTION TO BUILDING FOUR ON THE LEFT AND A CONNECTION, A BRIDGE TO BUILDING SEVEN ON, ON THE BOTTOM THERE.

AND, UH, AND THE PARKING GARAGE WAS A LOT LARGER AND, UH, AND, AND, AND SHORTER, BUT, UH, IT WAS NOT CONNECTED AT ALL TO ANY OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS.

SO WE'VE TRIED TO CONTINUE THE WHOLE THEME OF CONNECTIVITY HERE, WHERE EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED.

SO THERE'S A BRIDGE TO THE NEW PARKING GARAGE NOW.

AND, UM, AS I SAID, OVERALL, UH, SIMILAR LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE.

UM, ESPECIALLY, UH, WE, WE PAID CLOSE ATTENTION NEAR THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS.

UM, SO THE NEXT, THE NEXT SLIDE WE'D LIKE TO JUST QUICKLY REVIEW WOULD BE THE, UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A SIDE BY SIDE BETWEEN THE TWO VERSIONS THAT YOU'VE SEEN.

SO THE 2014 APPROVED PLAN, YOU KNOW, HAD A TALLER RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT SLASH OFFICE BUILDING.

SO IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED, UH, AGAIN, THE PRIOR OWNER DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE USE WOULD BE, SO IT, IT WAS PLANNED FOR A SLIGHTLY MORE INTENSIVE USE WITH OFFICE.

SO, UM, THE, THE NEW BUILDING ON THE RIGHT WOULD BE A TWO STORY R AND D BUILDING, NOT OFFICE.

UM, AGAIN, BOTH HAD AN ENCLOSED MECHANICAL SPENT, UH, PENTHOUSE ON TOP, BUT THE NEW BUILDING IS RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT.

SO IT'S LESS OF AN INTENSIVE USE IN TERMS OF THE REQUIRED PARKING IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC GENERATION.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE, UH, UH, WE'VE ALREADY MET WITH THE, THE TOWN TRAFFIC CONSULTANT.

AND, UH, WE'VE DISCUSSED HIM WITH, WITH JOHN CANNING ABOUT THE, THE INTENSITY.

AND, AND HE FEELS VERY COMFORTABLE WE'RE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE, UH, AS COMPARED TO WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.

UM, AS DISCUSSED, I INTERJECT FOR A MOMENT.

ARE YOU GONNA BE BUILDING A TWO STORY BUILDING SO THAT IT'S, IT'S, UH, FOUNDATION CAN HANDLE MORE STORIES? OR ARE YOU BUILDING IT FOR A TWO STORY BUILDING JUST FOR A TWO STORY BUILDING? RIGHT.

THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, THIS, THIS IS THE BUILDING.

IT'S BEEN EXTENSIVELY STUDIED WHAT THEY NEED AND, AND THIS, THIS IS IT.

UM, AND, AND IT WILL HAVE, UH, THE SECOND BULLET THERE WOULD BE THE, THE PARKING GARAGE.

SO BOTH HAD A PARKING GARAGE.

UH, THE THREE LEVEL WAS JUST SPREAD OUT MORE AND LOWER.

AND THEN

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THE SIXTH LEVEL IS, UH, MORE COMPACT, MORE EFFICIENT, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN, THAN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.

AND THEN, UH, THE TWO BUILDINGS, EXCUSE ME, THE TWO BUILDINGS, UH, THE APPROVED VERSION, 128,000 ROUGHLY SQUARE FEET, UH, WITH A PENTHOUSE ON TOP, THAT, THAT COVERED THE ENTIRE ROOF.

UH, WHEREAS THE NEW ONE IS, THE NEW BUILDING IS, UH, LESS OF A, LESS OF A, UM, A HEIGHT, BUT A LARGER FOOTPRINT AND A PENTHOUSE THAT DOES NOT COVER THE ENTIRE ROOF AREA.

UH, IT, IT'S BEEN DESIGNED FOR THE SPACE, SO WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, UH, JUST ABOUT HOW BIG THAT PENTHOUSE WILL BE.

NOW, UM, BOTH IN INVOLVE WETLAND BUFFER AND STEEP SLOPES DISTURBANCE AS, AS WE MENTIONED, UH, WE THINK IS VERY COMPARABLE, AND WE REALLY TRY TO RESPECT THAT.

UM, AND, UH, AND THEN THE, THE, THE F A R AT HEIGHT VARIANCES, UM, WE'RE RECEIVED FOR THE APPROVED PLAN.

AND THE NEW PLAN WE'RE PROPOSING F A R, UM, UH, INCREASE WHAT WE NEED A VARIANCE, UH, BUT THERE IS A REAR SETBACK, UH, VARIANCE NEEDED, AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE LAST BULLET POINT THERE.

THERE'S A, A LOOP ROAD BRIDGE, A FUTURE BRIDGE PROPOSED TO CONNECT FROM THE EXISTING BUILDINGS ON THE CAMPUS THERE TO THE FUTURE LOOP ROAD HOLDINGS PROJECT.

AND THE REASON WE HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF THIS PROJECT IS BECAUSE IT'S LOCATED ON THE SAME LOT.

EXCUSE ME.

SO, UM, THIS, THIS IS THE, UH, THE LIST OF ENTITLEMENTS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD TO, UM, GO THROUGH.

UH, THE FIRST TIME FOR THE 2014 APPROVAL, UH, WILL BE BEFORE YOUR BOARD FOR THE AMENDED SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

AND THEN, UM, WE'LL BE BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD FOR THE WETLAND STEEP SLOPES TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.

AND THEN, AS MENTIONED VARIANCES, UH, FOR F A R AND FOR THAT REAR YARD SETBACK FROM THE ZONING BOARD, WHEN WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE, UH, IF YOU GET THE APPROVALS, UH, IF THE WORK WOULD START, UH, RIGHT NOW, THE, I'M SORRY.

NO, I WAS GONNA LET GEORGE ANSWER THAT.

I MEAN, UH, PAUL WOULD, WOULD YOU MIND IF WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION? WE'RE HAPPY TO DO, DO QUESTION, ANSWER AT THE END, AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE EACH OTHER AND HAVE THE APPROPRIATE PARTS AND ANSWER THE QUESTION.

THAT'D BE GREAT.

BE HAPPY TO.

SO, SO THIS, THIS JUST SHOWS A QUICK ILLUSTRATION OF THE TWO LEVELS AS DESCRIBED.

SO THE BLUE AND THE, AND THE KIND OF TAN ARE THE, THE, UH, THE AREAS WHERE, WHERE ALL THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT TAKES PLACE.

IN SOME QUARTERS ON THE LEFT, YOU CAN SEE LEVEL ONE, UH, IT DOES CONNECT TO BUILDING FOUR ON THE LEFT.

AND THEN, UH, LEVEL TWO HAS A CONNECTION TO BUILDING SEVEN, THE BRIDGE ON THE BOTTOM THERE, AN ELEVATED BRIDGE.

AND THEN ALSO ON THE LEFT SIDE OF LEVEL TWO, THERE'S AN ELEVATED BRIDGE TO THE PARKING STRUCTURE.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

AND, AND THESE ARE SOME ELEVATION, UH, VIEWS HERE.

UH, THE TOP ONE LOOKING WEST, UM, FROM THE E EXISTING KIND OF STANDING WITH YOUR BACK TO THE EXISTING, UH, BUILDING TO THE, TO THE WEST OR, OR PLAN SOUTH, UH, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE A BEAUTIFUL EXTENSIVE FACADE, UH, WITH AN ENCLOSED MECHANICAL PENTHOUSE ON TOP.

AND THEN, UH, SORT OF MAYBE TWO THIRDS OF THE WAY OVER, YOU SEE THE BRIDGE KIND OF COMING AT YOU OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING THERE.

RIGHT? AND THEN THE SOUTH ELEVATION, UH, LOOKING FROM THE EXISTING LOOP ROAD, UH, YOU KNOW, TO YOUR, TO YOUR BACK, LOOKING TOWARDS THAT WAY.

SO YOU SEE ON THE LEFT, YOU WOULD HAVE THAT ELEVATED BRIDGE TO BUILDING SEVEN, AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE, UH, THE REMAINDER OF THE BUILDING SORT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, WRAPPING AROUND THE, THE EXISTING, UM, WETLAND AREA, WETLAND BUFFER AREA TO THE, TO THE MIDDLE AND TO THE RIGHT THERE, UH, EAST ELEVATION.

UH, LOOKING TOWARD, LOOKING FROM THE, UH, LOCATION OF THOSE, THE EXISTING WETLANDS, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU SEE, UH, THE, THE MECHANICAL PENTHOUSE THERE.

AND THEN, UH, THE EAST ELEVATION, YOU KNOW, NOW YOU'RE LOOKING ON THE RIGHT SIDE WHERE THERE'S THE GARAGE, UH, UH, RIGHT THERE, THE GARAGE BRIDGE CONNECTING, UH, TO THE NORTH SIDE OF, OF THE BUILDING.

AND, UH, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A FEW LITTLE DOORS AROUND THERE WITH SOME SIDEWALKS.

AND THESE ARE JUST QUICK FLOOR PLANS OF THE, OF THE PARKING STRUCTURE.

SO EVERY FLOOR IS PRETTY SIMILAR IN TERMS OF ITS, UH, LAYOUT.

UM, THERE'S A, AN ENTRANCE ON THE GROUND LEVEL, UH, RIGHT THERE ON THE LEFT THERE, WHICH WOULD BE KIND OF ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER.

AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ENTRANCE ON THE OTHER SIDE

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OF THE PARKING GARAGE ON THE SECOND LEVEL, UM, THAT GOES OFF ONTO THE, UH, EXISTING RING ROAD.

AND THEN, UM, RIGHT, UH, AN IMPORTANT FEATURE WOULD BE THAT THERE'S, UH, SEVERAL ELECTRICAL CHARGING STATIONS PROPOSED ON THE PARKING GARAGE.

UM, YOU KNOW, AS ALWAYS, REGENERON IS LOOKING TO, UH, YOU KNOW, ADD ANY ELEMENTS OF SUSTAINABLE DESIGN AND ENCOURAGE THAT.

UM, BUT, UH, AND THIS IS A, A NICE ELEVATION IN THE PARKING GARAGE.

IT'S, UH, UM, IT'S SIX LEVELS AS MENTIONED.

UM, AND THERE'S A GROUND, A GROUND LEVEL THAT SORT OF WORKS ITS WAY INTO THE SLOPE.

AND THEN, AND THEN THE OTHER EL AND THEN THE OTHER LEVELS JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, WORK THEIR WAY OFF OF THAT.

THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL PRETTY MUCH SYMMETRICAL.

AND THEN, UH, THE, THE SOUTH ELEVATION THERE SHOWS THE BRIDGE THAT WOULD CONNECT FROM THE SECOND LEVEL OF THE GARAGE INTO THE BUILDING.

AND THEN THERE IS A POTENTIAL OF POSSIBLY INSTALLING, UH, SOME PHOTO OF PHOTOVOLTAIC SOLAR PANELING ON THE ROOF, UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS DONE, UH, ACROSS THE ROADWAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CAMPUS.

SO, UM, THAT, THAT WE'RE EVALUATING THAT AS PART OF THAT DESIGN.

AND, UH, THESE ARE JUST SOME NICE RENDERINGS, UH, THAT, UH, THAT FLAT HAD PUT TOGETHER.

UM, THE ARCHITECT, UH, UH, SOME, SOME VIEWS WITHIN THAT PLAZA AREA, UM, BETWEEN THE EXISTING BUILDING SEVEN AND THE PROPOSED BUILDING SHOWS, UH, THE BRIDGE THERE ACROSS, RIGHT BETWEEN BUILDING SEVEN AND THE, AND THE NEW BUILDING, A NICE ENTRY LOBBY.

UM, JUST A, A NICE AMENITY SPACE.

UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT SORT OF AERIAL VIEW ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF THE SCREEN THERE, UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S WITHIN THAT, UH, SPACE ON THE LEFT THERE, RIGHT, RIGHT IN THERE IS KIND OF WHERE THIS, UH, LITTLE, LITTLE AMENITY AREA IS THAT, UH, UM, RIGHT NOW IT'S A PARKING LOT AND, AND WE, WE THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT WOULD BE A REALLY ADDED, UH, AMENITY SPACE FOR, FOR EVERYBODY.

UM, THEN THERE'S ANOTHER VIEW ON THE PEDESTRIAN PLAZA ON THE TOP RIGHT, UH, SORT OF LOOKING FROM, UH, THE OTHER SIDE, UM, WITH THE NEW BUILDING ON THE LEFT AND THE EXISTING BUILDING ON THE RIGHT AGAIN.

SO THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, A A LOT OF NICE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES THAT WERE PUT INTO THIS.

UM, AND THIS, UH, THIS SLIDE, UH, AS WE TOUCHED ON EARLIER, THE LOOP ROAD BRIDGE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PROPOSED FUTURE BRIDGE TO THE FUTURE LOOP ROAD DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AGAIN, WE'RE SHOWING THAT ON THESE PLANS, BECAUSE IT IS LOCATED PARTIALLY ON THE LOT FOR THE P M P D BUILDING, UM, WE ARE, OR WILL BE ASKING FOR, UH, ADDITIONAL F A R UH, RELIEF BECAUSE OF THAT.

UH, IT IS AN ENCLOSED, UH, ELEVATED BRIDGE, AND THIS JUST, UH, ILLUSTRATES THE PROPERTY LINE THAT SORT OF SPLITS THE BRIDGE IN HALF.

SO, UH, THE LEFT SIDE WOULD BE THE, UH, GREENBURG CAMPUS LOT, UH, COMES OUT OF, UH, LEVEL TWO OF, UH, ONE OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS THERE, UH, BUILDING SIX, AND THEN, UH, RUNS ACROSS THE EXISTING PARKING LOT.

AND THEN BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATION DIFFERENCE, THERE'LL BE A CHANGE IN ELEVATION AT THAT LARGE AREA.

IN THE MIDDLE THERE.

THERE'D BE AN ELEVATOR, SOME STAIRS, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A NICE AMENITY SPACE IN THERE.

AND, UH, THEN IT WOULD CLIMB AN ELEVATION ACROSS THE EXISTING LOOP ROAD.

UH, THAT'S, THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE CAMPUS NOW ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF, UH, OF THAT SECTION.

SO, SO THANK YOU STEVE, AND WE APPRECIATE THE TIME OF THE BOARD.

AND HERE'S THE SECTION VIEW.

SO YOU CAN SEE AS YOU MOVE FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, UH, LEFT BEING THE GREENBURG CAMPUS, UH, THAT'S DEVELOPED NOW, THAT'S THE EXISTING BUILDING.

AND THEN, UH, BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATION DIFFERENCE, IT WOULD, IT WOULD CLIMB UP SORT OF TOWARDS THE MIDDLE, BUT THAT PROPERTY LINE THERE SPLITS THE TWO LOTS AND, AND THE PORTION THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, PROPOSED TO BE AT LEAST ENTITLED IN TERMS OF THE, UM, THE F A R AND, AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD BE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS, UH, SECTION.

IT'S JUST A VIEW FROM THE OTHER SIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING, UH, LOOKING WEST, UH, WESTWARD FROM THE EAST HERE.

UH, SO THE EXISTING BUILDING ON THE RIGHT.

AND, AND THEN THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL, UH, IMAGE THERE.

SO THE LOOP ROAD, UH, LOOP ROAD ON THE LEFT IMAGE THERE, THE LOOP ROAD HOLDINGS WOULD BE ON YOUR LEFT.

AND THERE'S THE EXISTING, UH, LOOP ROAD ITSELF, AND THEN THE EXISTING BUILDINGS TO THE RIGHT THERE WHERE WE'RE CONNECTING FROM.

SO YOU CAN SEE HOW IT TRAVERSES ACROSS THE EXISTING PARKING LOT OVER THE EXISTING LOOP ROAD, AND, UH, ELEVATES UP TO MEET THE, UH, FUTURE PROPOSED LOOP ROAD HOLDINGS PROJECT.

SO THERE'S SOME IMPROVEMENTS ON THE SITE NEEDED FOR THIS, SUCH AS JUST MINOR RELOCATIONS OF PARKING AND CURBS.

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I MEAN, JUST TO SUMMARIZE, I I, I DO WANNA MENTION ONE THING ON THE BRIDGE.

WE WILL NOT BE SEEKING A BUILDING PERMIT TO BUILD THAT BRIDGE.

WE'RE JUST SEEKING TO ENTITLE THE F A R.

WE WOULD BE COMING BACK FOR BUILDING PERMIT WHEN WE BUILD THE LOOP ROAD BUILDING ACROSS THE WAY TO CONNECT IT.

SO WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY BUILDING IT, WE'RE JUST, AGAIN, INCLUDING IT IN THE F A R, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK WHEN WE GO IN FOR THE SITE PLAN, FOR THE, UH, AND, AND, AND THE BUILDING PERMITS FOR THE, THE BUILDING ON THE OTHER SIDE.

SO IN SOME, WE THINK WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL MODERN CAMPUS, AS GEORGE EXPLAINED, THE, THE, THE NEED FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UH, OPERATION, UH, CREATED THE, THE REVISED DESIGN FOR THE BUILDING, AS YOU'VE SEEN IT TONIGHT.

UH, WE THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, AND WE THINK IT WORKS FOR, IT WORKS FOR THE DESIGN.

AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, FOR A, AN INPUT IMPACT STANDARD, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE TABLES, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AND GO THROUGH IT AGAIN WITH YOU WHEN WE'RE MORE FORMAL, UH, THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE USING THIS BUILDING, WHILE WE'VE DESIGNED IT FOR ZONING AND IT WILL CONFORM WITH THE ZONING FOR PARKING AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS, WE WILL HAVE MANY LESS PEOPLE UTILIZING THIS BUILDING.

THEN THE LAST BUILDING THAT WAS DESIGNED, BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER HAS THE OFFICE COMPONENT AND IT'S ONLY LAB, AND THERE'S SO MUCH MORE MECHANICAL AND EQUIPMENT, ET CETERA, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND WE DO, FOR EXAMPLE, WIND UP WITH MORE PARKING SPACES THAN WE NEED.

IT CAN ALWAYS BE OVERFLOW FOR SOME OF THE LATER, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, WORKS THAT WE HAVE.

SO WE'RE, AND AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T FINALIZED IT, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE FOR NOW, AND WE'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS, UH, FROM THE BOARD OR, OR YOUR PROFESSIONALS SO THAT WE, UH, CAN FINALIZE THIS AND GET GOING INTO THE PROCESS.

I JUST WANNA KNOW THE TIMETABLE THAT YOU, UH, THAT YOU'RE ANTICIPATING.

GEORGE, YOU WANNA ANSWER THAT? YEAH, SURE.

UM, SUPERVISOR FEINER, THE, UM, WELL, WE CAN'T COMMIT TO A DATE.

I MEAN, WE, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, OUR REAL ESTATE PHILOSOPHY AND, AND THE WAY I'VE BEEN HANDLING THE MATTERS FOR REGENERON IS, IS THAT WE, WE ALWAYS WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SHOVEL AND GROUND READY SPACE, BECAUSE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US.

'CAUSE WE, WE HAVE TO ACT QUICKLY ON, ON CERTAIN PROGRAMS THAT WE NEED, UH, BRICKS AND MORTAR, UH, TO PROVIDE.

AND, AND, AND OF COURSE, THIS, THIS, THIS PLAYS A, A, THIS, THIS REQUEST IS IMPORTANT TO US.

UH, YOU KNOW, ONCE, ONCE WE UNDERSTAND, UH, WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN, WE CAN DO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, THEN WE'LL TAKE THROUGH THE NORMAL CHANNELS AND, AND OBTAIN APPROVALS THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS WITHIN REGENERON, UH, AND THEN, AND THEN BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH, UH, A POTENTIAL START DATE.

YOU AN, SORRY, I JUST WANNA, SORRY, GO AHEAD, PAUL.

I JUST WANT, UH, YOU ANTICIPATE IN 2021 OR, OR LATER? YEAH, I, UH, PAUL, I HONESTLY, UH, I COULD NOT, UH, I COULD NOT GIVE YOU .

AND CAN I ALSO SUGGEST, MR. SUPERVISOR, AS WE'VE TOLD YOU BEFORE, WITH RESPECT TO THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY, IT IS PUBLICLY TRADED, AND YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT MAKING AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECT TO THAT.

SO WE WOULD ASK YOU TO SAY THAT GEORGE HAS GIVEN THE, THE MOST INFORMATION HE CAN GIVE, AND WE WILL, WHEN WE HAVE HARDER INFORMATION FOR YOU, WE WILL SHARE IT.

THE QUESTION I HAVE IS THIS, THIS BUILDING THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, IS THIS FOR REGENERON OR ARE YOU GONNA BE LOSING THIS PROPERTY OUT? THIS, THIS, THIS IS FOR REGENERON.

THIS IS FOR THE, THE, THE AS AS, AS GEORGE PUT IT, THE SCIENCE TO MEDICINE PIECE OF THE, OF WHAT REGENERON DOES.

SO THIS IS OWNER, OWNER OCCUPIED SPACE.

IT'S FOR THEM.

YOU KNOW, I, WE'VE HAD OTHER BUILDINGS AT REGENERON WHERE THEY'VE HAD JOINT VENTURE PARTNERS THAT HAVE COME IN WHERE THEY'VE DONE ALLIANCES, ET CETERA, BUT THIS IS REGENERON BUILDING.

AND THEN WHAT IS, WHAT IS, AND I'M SORRY, I HAVE ANOTHER ONE.

AND THEN WHAT IS YOUR ANTICIPATED TIME FOR THE BUILDOUT? AGAIN, AS, AS GEORGE, I THINK ANSWERED, UH, THE SUPERVISOR'S QUESTION, WE, WE JUST CAN'T ANSWER THAT YET TONIGHT.

I APOLOGIZE.

I MARK, I PROBLEM.

SO WHEN DO YOU THINK IT'LL BE DONE? ? YOU'RE REALLY TRYING GET IN TROUBLE, .

JUST BE TRYING.

I DO WANNA SAY, ALL KIDDING.

INSIDE THAT MANY TIMES WE SEE RENDERINGS AND WE LOOK AT THE RENDERINGS AND IT'S LIKE, YEAH, WE'LL NEVER LOOK LIKE THAT.

AND SO FAR, AND I ASSUME IT'LL CONTINUE FOR REGENERON, WHAT YOU BUILD IS GENERALLY WHAT THE RENDERINGS ARE.

SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT JUST PRETTY PICTURES.

REGENERON DOES A QUALITY, QUALITY PRODUCT.

AND THAT'S BASED ON EXPERIENCE.

YEAH, I THINK, UH, IT'S A GREAT PROJECT GEORGE HAD NOTHING TO DO ABOUT.

ON, YOU KNOW, ON THE MAP.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT AND IT'S A GREAT, UH, COMPANY.

AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY LUCKY IN THE TOWN THAT, UH, UH, YOU HAVE HELPED PUT GREENBERG

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AND TO SAY THAT I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS IS REALLY A UNDERSTATEMENT BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S REALLY GREAT THAT REGENERON IS SO SUCCESSFUL AND IS CONSTANTLY EXPANDING AND DOING A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, GOOD THINGS FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, HELPING US, UM, ADDRESS THE COVID CRISIS.

SO EVERYTHING ABOUT REGENERON, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

UH, AND I, I AGREE WITH PAUL.

UM, WHEN WE STARTED THIS JOURNEY, UH, ALMOST, I GUESS, WHAT IS IT, ALMOST NINE YEARS AGO NOW, IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I VOTED ON AS A NEWLY ELECTED COUNCIL MEMBER WAS THE EXPANSION OF REGENERON.

SO IT'S GLAD TO SEE YOU ALL BACK AGAIN, AND I'M GLAD THAT THE PROJECT IS STILL MOVING FORWARD.

UM, AT THAT TIME, WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UH, CONNECTING THE EXISTING, I THINK IT'S THE SOUTH COUNTY TRAIL AND THE NORTH COUNTY TRAIL WITH SOME TRAILS IN AND AROUND THE PROPERTY FOR THE EMPLOYEES THAT THE PUBLIC MIGHT ENJOY AS WELL.

UM, HAVE YOU DONE ANY OF THAT, OR IS THAT PLANNED FOR THIS PHASE OF THE DEVELOPMENT? I'VE BEEN IN CONTACT, UH, I, I, I DON'T RECALL THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME, BUT, UH, THERE WAS SOME WALKING TRAILS THAT, UH, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, PUTTING, UH, CONNECTING TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE CAMPUS THAT, UH, RUNS PARALLEL TO, TO ROUTE NINE MM-HMM.

, UH, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE CONNECTION WAS, YEAH, TO KIND GO UP AND AROUND BY HOME DEPOT, THAT AREA.

UH, THOSE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD ABOUT A YEAR AGO.

AND THEN I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING SINCE, I GUESS FOR OBVIOUS REASONS WITH THE, WITH THE COVID LOCKDOWN, I THINK THINGS CAME TO A, TO A HALT, BUT WE WERE HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT CONNECTION.

AND, AND I WOULD JUST MENTION THAT THE DIFFERENCE WHEN WE CAME BEFORE YOU, UH, COUNCILMAN THE FIRST TIME, UH, ON LOOP ROAD SINCE THAT TIME IS WHEN REGENERON PURCHASED THE BALANCE OF THE CAMPUS.

THERE WERE ONLY A TENANT AT THAT TIME, AND THEY HAD PURCHASED THAT, AND NOW THEY HAVE THE ENTIRE CONTROL, THE ENTIRETY OF IT.

AND SO IT'S CHANGED A BIT IN THE, IN, IN THE, UH, PLANNING STAGES AS TO HOW TO GO FORWARD, HOW BEST TO GO FORWARD.

, MARK AND, AND GEORGE, UM, WHAT I HAVE TO SAY HAS REALLY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PROPOSED, UM, UH, PLANS, HOWEVER, I HOPE THAT THEY DO, UM, UH, MANIFEST.

BUT I WANT TO JUST THANK YOU FOR OPENING YOUR ARMS EVERY YEAR FOR THE PAST SEVERAL SUMMERS TO THE INTERNS THAT THE TOWN HALL INTERNS, WE HAVE HAD AT LEAST, AND IT COULD BE MORE, A HUNDRED YOUNG PEOPLE FROM THE TOWN OF GREENBURG WELCOMED INTO REGENERON AND ESCORTED THROUGH THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, UM, UH, BUILDING GREETED BY THE YOUNG PROFESSIONALS AND SCIENTISTS.

AND, AND I, I TELL YOU, IT'S JUST AMAZING THE EXPERIENCE THAT THE STAFF PROVIDES FOR OUR INTERNS.

AND SO, UH, YOU ASK FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.

I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT I SURE HAVE A COMMENT.

AND, AND, AND THIS IS THE ONE.

THANK YOU, .

THANK YOU, JUDITH.

JUDITH, THANK YOU.

I'M SORRY, I KNOW TIM WAS INVOLVED, UH, WITH THOSE, WITH THOSE IN TERMS SCHEDULE.

TIM AND GARRETT.

AND PAUL AND MYSELF, AND RICH FAWN, AND WINSOME GORDON, JANELLE WALLACE, AND THE TOWN BOARD, BECAUSE WITHOUT THEIR SUPPORT, WE JUST COULDN'T DO IT.

SO EVERYONE HERE IS TO BE THANKED.

WE LOVE HAVING YOU , AND WE CAN'T WAIT TILL WE CAN DO IT AGAIN.

ERIC, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, JUST A FEW COMMENTS, A FEW PLANNING AND MANUS CONSIDERATIONS.

UM, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT AND WHAT WE HAVE PRE-APPROVED ON THE, UH, OUTER LOOP, UM, YOU KNOW, EXHIBIT HIGH CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, THE RISK DENSITY BONUSES THAT, UH, YOU TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE MILLION SQUARE FEET.

UM, AND, AND, AND THIS, THIS, WHAT YOU PRESENTED TODAY, JUST, YOU KNOW, CONTINUED TO EXHIBIT CONSISTENCY WITH, YOU KNOW, THE VISION THAT THE TOWN OF GREENBURG ESTABLISHED IN ITS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO, APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, ON THE PLANNING SIDE OF THINGS, OR THE, UH, PROCESS SIDE OF THINGS, I SHOULD SAY, UH, WE ENVISION A COORDINATED SEEKER REVIEW.

UM, THE TOWN BOARD HAS CONSISTENTLY BEEN LEAD AGENCY FOR PROJECTS, UH, ON YOUR CAMPUS, AND I WOULD NOT ANTICIPATE ANYTHING DIFFERENT.

YOU HAD INDICATED THAT, UH, WE HAD ENGAGED, UM, JOHN CANNING TRAFFIC CONSULTANT PREVIOUSLY, AND THAT'S CORRECT.

UM, WE HAD, WE HAD MET WITH HIM ON THE FALL, AND HE HAD, UH, WALKED HIM THROUGH, UH, YOUR PROPOSAL AND HOW THE INTENSITY, UH, VARIES, UH, ACTUALLY TO, TO A DEGREE WHERE, UH, LESS INTENSE FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE.

UH, WE WILL REENGAGE JOHN CANNING FOR YOUR FORMAL, UH, SUBMISSION.

AND, UH, YEAH, WELCOME YOU AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING ON THIS APPLICATION.

ANY WORK HAS BEEN DONE, ONLY ARTIFACTS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, COLLECTED AND SAVED AND THAT WHOLE AREA BEING PRESERVED ON THE CAMPUS, AND WHETHER THERE WAS ANY MORE WORK THAT HAD BEEN DONE WITH THE MATERIALS THAT WERE FOUND, GEORGE? NO.

THANKS, KARA.

I WAS, I WAS CURIOUS, MARK, WHETHER OR NOT ANY,

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UH, TO, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, DIANA, I, I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING OF, OF, OF WHERE THE ARTIFACTS.

UH, THERE WAS GENTLEMAN THAT, UH, I, I, I BELIEVE, UH, DID COLLECT SOME OF THEM, UH, PRIOR TO US, UH, UH, SEEKING THE, OUR APPLICATION.

BUT, UH, I, I REALLY HAVEN'T HEARD, HEARD MUCH IN THE LAST THREE, OR PROBABLY IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS AS TO WHERE THEY RESIDE.

IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED? OH, I COULD BE, I COULD, I COULD DEFINITELY PUT YOU IN CONTACT WITH THE INDIVIDUAL THAT, THAT, THAT HAS THE ARTIFACTS WITHOUT A DOUBT.

WELL, WE, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

WE WILL TAKE THE COMMENTS DOWN.

WE WILL FINALIZE OUR SUBMISSION, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU SOON.

WE HOPE WE'LL, UH, SEE YOU AT THE GROUNDBREAKING, WHICH MAYBE WILL BE NON-VIRTUAL .

WE ALL HOPE FOR THAT, SO THANK YOU.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU, PAUL.

TAKE CARE, EVERYBODY.

OKAY, NEXT WE HAVE, UM, A PRESENTATION, UM, A FIRE SAFETY CONSULTANT INTERVIEW RELATING TO, UH, THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM.

AND WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM OOP ENGINEERS, UH, GARRETT.

THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR FRYER.

AND, UH, WE HAVE GUESTS, UH, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS, ROBERT ACOSTA AND MICHAEL OF , UM, WHO, UH, WE'LL BE HEARING FROM AND LEARNING ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCE, UH, AS AN ENGINEERING FIRM, AND PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS AS THE TOWN, UH, NAVIGATES THROUGH THE CREATION OF A LOCAL LAW FOR THAT, THAT EMERGING ROOTS.

AND, UM, THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING TODAY IS FOR THE TOWN BOARD TO HEAR A BRIEF PRESENTATION AND, UH, AS, AS WE LOOK TO, UH, BRING ON A CONSULTANT TO ASSIST THE TOWN AS WE CONSIDER SAFETY CONCERNS WITH THESE USES, UM, AND WORK WITH OUR, UM, UH, SENATE FORMS COMMITTEE ON THAT LOCAL LAW.

SO, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, UH, ROBERT ACOSTA, ARE YOU, UH, READY TO TAKE IT AWAY OR WAS, UH, MIKE GOING TO START? I THINK ROB'S, ROB'S GONNA START.

UH, THAT I AM, LEMME JUST SHARE MY SCREEN HERE.

LET ME SEE.

YOU GUYS SEEING THE PRESENTATION NOW? YES.

BE, UH, OUR ENERGY BUSINESS.

ALL.

WELL, FIRST OFF, I JUST WANNA THANK, UH, THANK YOU TO THE COMMISSIONER AND THE, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG FOR INVITING AR TO, TO JOIN TONIGHT'S MEETING.

UM, I'M JUST GONNA GIVE A BRIEF INTRODUCTION TO, TO ARUP AND, AND OUR QUALIFICATIONS RELATED TO, UH, BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. SO, JUST QUICKLY, UH, ABOUT THE TEAM THAT, THAT WE BROUGHT TONIGHT, MYSELF, ROBERT ACASA, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF APPOINTED ON THE PROJECT WOULD BE THE PROJECT MANAGER, UH, FOR THE PROJECT.

AND, UH, I'VE BEEN WITH AR FOR ABOUT 12 YEARS NOW, CURRENTLY PART OF THE LEADERSHIP TEAM FOR OUR FIRE, FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY PRACTICE OUT OF OUR NEW YORK CITY OFFICE.

UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT ME AND PAST PRESIDENT OF THE NEW YORK METROPOLITAN CHAPTER OF THE SOCIETY OF FIRE PROTECTION ENGINEERS AND CURRENTLY SERVE ON THE TECHNICAL COMMITTEE'S, UH, SUPPORTING THE NEW YORK CITY CODE CONSTRUCTION REVISION.

UM, MIKE LAPSO, UH, HE, HE ALSO, UH, WOULD BE JOINED THE TEAM.

UH, MIKE WOULD BE ONE OF OUR, UH, BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM, TECHNICAL EXPERTS, PRIMARY FOCUS ON FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY.

UH, MIKE'S BEEN WITH ERIC FOR A LITTLE MORE IN SIX YEARS NOW, AND, AND BRINGS MORE THAN 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, UH, IN THE ENERGY SCIENCE AND, AND INDUSTRY SECTORS.

SO, ARUP AS A FIRM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE AT THE HEART OF MANY OF THE, THE WORLD'S MOST PROMINENT PROJECTS.

WE'VE GOT 89 OFFICES IN, IN 33 COUNTRIES, UH, WITH MORE THAN 15,000 ENGINEERS, PLANNERS, DESIGNERS, AND, AND CONSULTANTS, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE LOCALLY HERE IN NORTH AMERICA.

WE'VE GOT 11 OFFICES, ABOUT 1400, UH, MEMBERS OF THE STAFF.

AND, AND OUR CLOSEST OFFICE TO, TO THE TOWN OF GREENBURG IS, IS DOWN 77 WATER STREET IN DOWNTOWN MANHATTAN.

SO, IN TERMS OF THE BUSINESSES THAT WE SUPPORT, WE, YOU KNOW, WE SUPPORT DEVELOPERS, ARCHITECTS, AND, AND GOVERNMENT AGENCIES LIKE YOURSELF, UH, YOU KNOW, ON, ON ALL THESE VARIOUS SECTORS.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FOCUS HERE WOULD, WOULD

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AND THEN WITH WITHIN THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR OFFERINGS SPAN A, A WIDE BREADTH OF, OF SERVICES SHOWN HERE.

AND JUST BASED ON THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE COMMISSIONER THUS FAR, YOU KNOW, I'D EXPECT, UH, THE SERVICES THAT ARE, THAT ARE BOLDED THERE TO, TO COME INTO PLAY AND, UH, TO HELP BE SOME TECHNICAL ADVISORS FOR SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT, UM, THE, THE BOARD HAS AT, AT HAND.

AND WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO, TO MIKE TO DISCUSS, UH, SOME OF OUR MORE RELEVANT, UH, BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM PROJECTS.

HEY EVERYONE.

UM, I'M MIKE LATO.

I'M ACTUALLY THE WESTERN SLIGHTLY LESS DUBON AIR COMPONENT TO ROB OUT OF OUR SAN FRANCISCO OFFICE.

I LEAD OUR SAN FRANCISCO FIRE TEAM OUT HERE.

UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH BATTERIES AND BATTERY TECHNOLOGY ON AND OFF NOW FOR ABOUT 15 PLUS YEARS.

UM, SOME OF THE PROJECTS, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT, ESSENTIALLY GRID LEVEL STORAGE, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING PURPLE.

I HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE LIGHTING IN MY ROOM.

UM, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT A GRID LEVEL STORAGE SYSTEM, AND THESE ARE JUST HIGHLIGHTS OF SOME OF THE PROJECTS WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED ON.

UM, THE CONFIDENTIAL CLIENT IS NOT QUITE AS CONFIDENTIAL ANYMORE FROM WHEN IT STARTED.

THAT'S THE APPLE, MAINE CAMPUS.

THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF BATTERY STORAGE SO THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY RUN SELF SUFFICIENTLY FOR QUITE AN AMOUNT OF TIME.

UM, THAT'S A COMBINATION OF GRID LEVEL STORAGE AND LOCAL LEVEL STORAGE.

UH, THE MASSACHUSETTS DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY RESOURCES WAS A, A PROJECT WHERE WE HELPED IDENTIFY GRID LEVEL STORAGE THAT MASSACHUSETTS WOULD USE IN DIFFERENT FACILITIES.

UH, JOHN WAYNE AIRPORT IS ACTUALLY VERY PERTINENT TO, TO THE PARTICULAR JOB IN GREENBURG.

IT'S A SECONDARY AIRPORT IN, UM, THE LOS ANGELES AREA.

AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE SEVERAL TESLA MAGA PACKS, WHICH PROVIDE BACKUP POWER FOR THEIR CENTRAL UTILITY PLANT.

THIS WAS ACTUALLY DONE A FEW YEARS AGO BEFORE THE STANDARDS HAVE BECOME STANDARDIZED, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY OF SAYING IT.

AND SO PART OF WHAT WE DID THERE WAS A HAZARD MITIGATION ANALYSIS, AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT, IN A FAILURE MODE, WHAT WAS THE EXPOSURE TO SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND SURROUNDING AREAS.

IN THIS CASE, THERE'S A MAIN ROAD THAT GOES RIGHT PAST THE C U P AREA, AND THERE WAS CONCERN OF IMPACTING THAT ROAD DURING AN INCIDENT.

UM, MARS VINEYARD IS MORE OF A TRADITIONAL THING OF ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORT.

AND HOW DO YOU MANAGE THE BATTERIES FOR THAT? SO THE, THE, THE OVERVIEW OF THESE IS INTENDED TO JUST SHOW THAT WE'VE DONE DIFFERENT THINGS IN THE ENERGY SECTOR, NOT JUST GRID LEVEL STORAGE, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE DONE GRID LEVEL STORAGE.

UH, WE'VE DONE SEVERAL FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, OR I'M SORRY, SAN DIEGO GAS AND ELECTRIC.

WE HAVE PLANTS GOING IN THERE.

WE'VE DONE SOME IN, UM, AUSTRALIA, IF YOU'D POPPED IT A SECOND SLIDE THERE, ROB, IF IT GOES.

SO THIS IS A LIST OF PROJECTS THAT WE'VE WORKED ON RELATIVELY RECENTLY THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, THROUGHOUT THE FIRM.

IT'S, IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT ROB AND I HAVE BEEN ON EVERY SINGLE PROJECT.

WE'VE PARTICIPATED IN SOME, OUR ROLE HAS BEEN DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON, OBVIOUSLY THE CLIENT.

UM, GRID LEVEL STORAGE HAS EVOLVED A LOT JUST IN THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS.

SO THE IDEA OF A LARGE BATTERY, ESSENTIALLY A MASSIVE NUMBER OF BATTERIES IN A BOX, PROVIDING A BUFFER IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING FORWARD.

I WOULD SAY VERY QUICKLY HERE IN CALIFORNIA, MOSS LANDING, UM, FORMER DUKE ENERGY POWER PLANT JUST INSTALLED 300 MEGAWATTS OF BATTERIES TO PUMP BACK INTO THE GRID FOR, UM, PEAK TIME FOR US.

AND IN DOING THAT, THOUGH, THE SAFETY HAS INCREASED AND CHANGED A LOT.

UH, I WOULD IMAGINE MOST PEOPLE HAVE HEARD ABOUT THE INCIDENT IN ARIZONA WHERE A BATTERY STORAGE UNIT ACTUALLY EXPLODED DURING AN INCIDENT THAT, UM, WHAT OCCURRED THERE IS BASICALLY BEEN DESIGNED OUT IN THE NEW, IN NEW STORAGE UNITS, IT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO OCCUR AGAIN BECAUSE OF THE WAY, WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY EVER, BUT IT SHOULDN'T EVER OCCUR AGAIN BECAUSE THE WAY THE STORAGE UNITS THEMSELVES ARE VENTILATED.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND, THAT EVEN THOUGH THERE HAVE BEEN SOME INCIDENTS, A LOT OF TIMES THE TECHNOLOGY IS MOVING SO QUICKLY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED A YEAR AGO, MAY HAVE BEEN CHANGED OUT.

IT OBVIOUSLY DEPENDS ON VENDORS AND STUFF TOO.

SO I, I COULD GO ON AND ON, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT JUST BE EASIER IF WE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US OR IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT OUR BACKGROUND TO SHARE THAT RATHER THAN JUST TALKING ABOUT HYPOTHETICALS.

AND I THINK ONE THING TO JUST CLOSE OUT HERE, MIKE TOO, IS, IS THAT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SNAPSHOT OF THESE PROJECTS, THEY'VE RANGED FROM ANYWHERE FROM FEASIBILITY STUDIES TO DESIGN TO, TO BEING TECHNICAL ADVISORS ON THE PROJECTS.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MIKE, MIKE MENTIONED SOME SPECIFICS OF SOME OF THE, THE PROJECTS AND, AND THE TESLA, UH, PRODUCT THAT, UH, WAS USED OUT AT JOHN WAYNE AIRPORT.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE

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GOT CONNECTIONS AND PROFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIPS, NOT ONLY TO SOME OF THE TESTING LABORATORIES, BUT ALSO THE, THE BATTERY MANUFACTURERS.

SO I, I THINK WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO, UH, TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE, THE BRIEF INTRO, HOW MANY OF THESE, UH, PROJECTS THAT YOU HAVE LISTED HERE ARE ABOUT 20 MEGAWATTS AND IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS? UM, CAN, CAN YOU POP BACK TO THE LIST, ROB? I CAN TRY TO PULL OUT YEAH.

SPECIFICALLY 20 MEGAWATTS IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY 20 MEGAWATTS IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, JUST BECAUSE THE ABSOLUTES.

UM, MOST OF THESE HAVE EITHER BEEN IN, IN MORE RURAL AREAS, AND WHEN A, A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IN MY MIND IS, IS A SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE I LIVE IN HERE IN SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA WHERE MY NEIGHBORS ARE 20 FEET, 10 FEET AWAY, HOUSE TO HOUSE.

UM, SO GOING THROUGH THESE, THE, THE BB, THE B B C, BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE, THE METRO TRAINS, MELBOURNE, UM, THOSE WOULD BE SOMEWHAT SIMILAR OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

UH, THE EAST BAY COMMUNITY ENERGY THAT WAS LOOKING AT ESSENTIALLY.

SO, UM, CAPTURING THE SOLAR THAT WE HAVE OUT HERE IN CALIFORNIA AND THEN BEING ABLE TO USE IT AT NIGHT, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A, A CLOSER ONE.

OAKLAND IS A, A HILLY AREA HERE BY THE BAY, BUT THAT'S MORE RESIDENTIAL ORIENTED, I WOULD SAY THAT'S VERY CLOSE.

UM, THE SAME WITH THE DEMOCRACY PARK.

THAT'S NOT FAR FROM WHERE I LIVE IN THE SOUTH PART OF THE BAY AREA.

THAT'S VERY, THE WHOLE BAY AREA IS A VERY SUBURBAN AREA AND MA MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL.

UM, THO THOSE WOULD BE, I WOULD SAY DIRECTLY APPLICABLE, IF YOU WILL.

UM, THE U C L U C L A HEALTH SYSTEM IS MORE URBAN AREA AND IT'S A DIFF IT'S REALLY A DIFFERENT, UM, IT'S A DIFFERENT APPLICATION THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.

IN THAT CASE, THE, UH, YORKSHIRE ONE I'M ACTUALLY NOT FAMILIAR WITH, SO I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT MORE.

UH, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR? UH, YEAH.

IN GENERAL, THE, I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT WE'RE ULTIMATELY LOOKING FOR IS THAT, UM, CAN THESE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS BE INSTALLED IN A TOWN LIKE THE TOWN OF GREENBURG? AND THEY'LL SHOW, UM, WHAT ZONING DISTRICTS WOULD, WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THEM, AND WOULD IT BE, UM, UNSAFE TO PUT THEM ON SAY, A LARGE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY? SO I, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU HIT UPON IT RIGHT THERE, WHEN YOU SAY LARGE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, REALLY THE, THE SAFETY FACTOR THAT COMES IN WITH ALL, ALL THESE ENERGY STORAGE UNITS, REGARDLESS OF WHO THE MANUFACTURER IS, IS IT'S, IT'S A DISTANCE QUESTION.

OBVI, OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T WANT IT FIVE FEET FROM SOMEONE'S HOUSE.

'CAUSE IF THERE'S AN INCIDENT, IT'S JUST LIKE HAVING ANY OTHER INCIDENT FIVE FEET FROM SOMEONE'S HOUSE.

WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO 20, 50, A HUNDRED FOOT DISTANCES, YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE AN INCIDENT IN THE UNIT ITSELF DOESN'T IMPACT OUTSIDE OF THAT PROPERTY OF ANY, ANY REAL SIGNIFICANCE.

OBVIOUSLY IF YOU HAVE A FIRE, YOU WILL HAVE SMOKE IMPACT.

THAT'S, THAT'S A GIVEN.

YOU CAN'T MAKE SMOKE GO AWAY.

UM, BUT WHEN I SAY IMPACT, I'M TALKING ABOUT RADIANT HEAT, DIRECTLY IMPINGING, DAMAGING ADJACENT PROPERTIES, ADJACENT STRUCTURES, UM, FOR THE MOST PART, ALL THE MANUFACTURERS.

NOW TO SIMPLIFY IT, IT'S A BUNCH OF BATTERY CELLS, WHICH IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR, THE BATTERY CELLS ARE ESSENTIALLY LIKE A LARGE AA BATTERY.

SO WHEN I SAY A BUNCH, I'M TALKING THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS.

BUT THOSE ARE IN METAL MODULES, WHICH LOOK LIKE TRAYS ESSENTIALLY, WHICH SIT INSIDE OF RACKS, WHICH ARE THEN IN AN ENCLOSURE.

AND AS ALL THAT IS PUT IN WHAT APPEARS TO BE A SHIPPING CONTAINER, THERE'S A LOT MORE ENGINEERING AND SAFEGUARDS THAT GO INTO ALL THAT.

BUT THAT'S KIND OF A SIMPLIFIED VERSION OF IT.

UM, THE CURRENT STANDARD FOR TESTING IS UL 95 40, WHICH HAS THREE FAILURES.

FIRST YOU TEST THE BATTERY ITSELF, THE LITTLE CELLS.

IF THAT FAILURE PROPAGATES TO THE OTHER CELLS, WHICH IT USUALLY DOES, THEN YOU HAVE TO TEST THE MODULE.

THE THING THAT LOOKS KIND OF LIKE A, A GIANT, UM, FOOD TRAY, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY OF SAYING IT, IT'S A USUALLY STEEL CLAMSHELL WITH THE BATTERY CELLS INSIDE.

IF THE PROMULGATION GOES OUTSIDE OF THAT MODULE INTO THE RACK, THEN YOU TEST THE WHOLE ENTIRE ENCLOSURE TO SEE THAT GOES THROUGH.

IF AT ANY POINT YOU STOP THE FIRE, YOU STOP THE PROMULGATION, THEN YOU'VE MET THE SAFEGUARD STANDARDS.

IF YOU DON'T, YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND REDESIGN IT.

SO THEORETICALLY YOU COULD HAVE A CELLULAR FAILURE AND STOP IT AT THE MODULE.

IF IT DIDN'T STOP AT THE MODULE, THEN THE ENCLOSURE HAS TO STOP IT.

IF IT DOESN'T STOP AT THE ENCLOSURE, THEN IT'S NOT LISTED.

UM, IN GENERAL, NO ONE WOULD ACCEPT THAT IN THEIR JURISDICTION

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IF IT'S NOT LISTED.

IN THE CASE OF THE JOHN WAYNE PROJECT, IT WAS ACTUALLY NOT LISTED AT THE TIME BECAUSE THE UL STANDARD WAS STILL DEVELOPING AND THE MANUFACTURER WAS STILL IN THE PROCESS OF TESTING IT.

SO WE LOOKED AT IT FROM THE ENGINEERING STANDPOINT BASED ON WHAT WE KNEW TO BE THE NEW STANDARDS COMING FORWARD AND BASED ON OUR OWN EXPERIENCE AND MITIGATION OF HAZARDS AND SAID, OKAY, WE, WE SEE THESE SAFEGUARDS AS THE PERFORMANCE WE EXPECT.

WE ALSO ENDED UP DOING ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS ON THE EXPOSURE.

SO IN THE CASE OF YOUR PARTICULAR SCENARIO, I WOULD EXPECT THAT YOU WOULD ALREADY BE ENGAGED WITH MANUFACTURERS WHO ARE ONLY OFFERING A LISTED PRODUCT.

WHEN I SAY A LISTED PRODUCT, I'M REFERRING TO UL OR ANOTHER NATIONAL STANDARD.

UM, FOR REFERENCE, YOU'RE BASICALLY EVERYTHING ELECTRICAL IN YOUR HOUSE HAS A UL LISTING ON IT.

IT'S THE NA, IT'LL BE A NATIONAL STANDARD.

THE PRODUCT WAS TESTED TO IT TO SHOW IT'S SAFE.

MOST MOST UL THINGS ARE ELECTRIC RERATED.

THERE'S OTHER UL THINGS THAT ARE NOT, BUT EXAMPLE, EVEN THE WIRE IN YOUR HOUSE, IF YOU LOOK AT IT CLOSELY, YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE UL AND A NUMBER ON IT, WHICH IS TELLING YOU WHAT UL STANDARD THAT'S LISTED TO.

SO IF YOU THINK, OH, I'M SORRY, YOU GO AHEAD.

YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU THINK OF IT THAT WAY, THE ENTIRE ENERGY PACK IS UL LISTED.

SO THERE'S A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT STANDARDS THAT THAT FEED INTO THAT 95, 40 STANDARD.

BUT THAT IS THE, I I WOULD SAY THE BASE STANDARD THAT YOU WOULD WANT IT LISTED TO AS A MINIMUM.

UM, YOU MIGHT NOT.

MIKE, IF, IF I COULD JUST ADD TO THAT.

IN, IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, THE, THE CODES AND STANDARDS HAVE HAVE COME A LONG WAYS RELATED TO, TO THE BEST SYSTEMS. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IN IN THE, THE FIRE PROTECTION WORLD, THE N F P A 8 5 5 WAS THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE GOVERNING STANDARD FOR, FOR MANY YEARS.

UH, I SHOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE FIRST STANDARD AND THEN THAT MANY OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS HAVE NOW SINCE BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE FIRE CODES.

UM, SO TO ADDRESS YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, I, I THINK THE, THE CODES ARE, ARE NOW, YOU KNOW, COMING UP TO SPEED TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, YOUR SPECIFIC CONCERN ABOUT THESE INSTALLATIONS.

UM, YOU KNOW, NOW BEING PUT INTO, UH, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS PROPERTIES AND OR OUTDOOR, UM, YOU KNOW, FACILITIES HAVE YOU RECORDS, I'M SORRY, YOU COULD CONTINUE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

I SEE KEN HAS HIS HIS HAND UP TOO, IT LOOKS LIKE.

I THINK, UM, SO TO, TO ROB'S POINT, NFP 8 55 IS A NATIONAL STANDARD.

UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE NEW YORK STATE CODES AND ANY LOCAL AMENDMENTS.

SO IT'S, IT'S NOT A CASE OF SOMEONE CAN JUST COME IN AND DROP ONE OF THESE ON ANY, ANY PIECE OF PROPERTY AND HAVE NO REGULATION ALREADY IN PLACE TO ADDRESS IT.

THERE ARE EXISTING REGULATIONS, UM, WHERE LIKE THE ENGINEERING PEOPLE COME IN IS IF WE, IF THERE'S A LOOPHOLE SO TO SPEAK, WHICH IS NEVER REALLY A LOOPHOLE, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT THE REGULATION DOESN'T COVER, WOULD BE FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, IS IT STILL SAFE? AND IF NOT, DO WE NEED TO MAKE IT SAFE? SO I, I THINK TO ROB'S 0.6 YEARS AGO, SEVEN YEARS AGO, THAT IT WAS SOMEWHAT THE WILD, WILD WEST.

UM, SO EACH JURISDICTION WOULD'VE MADE THEIR OWN CALL.

NOW THAT'S BECOME MUCH MORE STANDARDIZED AND MUCH MORE, MUCH MORE REGULATED AND CONTROLLED.

WELL ME, UM, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS OF, AS WOULD THE PROJECT MANAGER, IF YOU'RE BASED IN CALIFORNIA, WOULD YOU BE, UM, LOOKING AT THE SITES, UH, THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING? SO, SO ROB WOULD BE OUR PM ON THIS 'CAUSE HE'S IN NEW YORK AND HE'S A LICENSED NEW YORK FIRE PROTECTION ENGINEER WHERE I'M A LICENSED CALIFORNIA FIRE PROTECTION ENGINEER.

SO I WOULD BE PROVIDING TECHNICAL SUPPORT, UM, AND ASSISTING ROB AS HE NEEDS IT.

AND BASICALLY I WOULD BE HIS, HIS LACKY TO DO HIS BIDDING ON THIS.

UM, BUT I, I WOULD BE SUPPORTING ROB, I WOULD NOT BE THE PRIMARY CONTACT FOR YOU THAT WOULD GO THROUGH OUR NEW YORK OFFICE WITH ROB.

ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, HAVE YOU EVER, UH, BEEN INVOLVED IN, UM, A SHOPPING CENTER? WE HAVE, UH, BASICALLY A COUPLE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, UM, A SHOPPING CENTER IN THE NAZAR ONE SECTION AND, UM, A COUNTRY CLUB, UM, IN, UH, NEAR NEAR THE TOWN HALL.

SO WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE AT, SAY, DO YOU MEAN A B A BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM ON THIS SCALE IN INSIDE A SHOPPING CENTER? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? UH, RIGHT OUTSIDE OF SHOPPING CENTER, RIGHT.

UM, NOT OUTSIDE OF SHOPPING CENTER, BUT OUTSIDE OF AIRPORT TERMINALS.

UM, AND OUTSIDE OF SOME LARGE OFFICE PARKS THAT HAVE VERY, UH, SHALL WE SAY LARGE COMMUNAL SPACES FOR CAFETERIAS.

SO THEY, THEY HAVE BEEN DONE.

UM, I'VE NEVER DONE ONE SPECIFICALLY NEXT TO A SHOPPING CENTER, UH, FROM A STANDPOINT OF SAFETY AND BUILDABILITY THAT YOU WOULD APPLY THE SAME BASIC PRINCIPLES AS YOU WOULD FOR ANY OCCUPANCY THAT HAS LARGE, LARGE PUBLIC ACCESS TO IT.

TO RESIDENTIAL HOMES AND ALSO THE NUMBER OF, UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THE PARKING AREA? YEAH, SO IN, IN THE CASE OF A BSS LIKE THIS, I I WOULD NOT EXPECT IT TO JUST SIT OUT NAKED, SO TO SPEAK, IN THE, IN THE PARKING LOT.

UM, SO WOULD OUR CONCERNS BE, UM, IN TERMS OF THE PROXIMITY

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I WOULD PRO ASSUME IT WOULD BE SCREENED WITH SOME TYPE OF, UM, EITHER C M U OR OTHER NON-COMBUSTIBLE CONSTRUCTION WALL.

OBVIOUSLY SETBACKS AND DISTANCES ARE GONNA BE LOOKED AT.

SO HOW FAR IS IT FROM PUBLIC ACCESS IN THE PARKING LOT? HOW FAR IS IT FROM THE, THE SHOPPING MALL ITSELF? AND THEN WE WOULD TAILOR THOSE, THOSE WALLS TO THAT LEVEL OF PROTECTION NECESSARY.

IN GENERAL, IF YOU TAKE A C M U WALL AND, AND MORTAR FILL IT WITH GROUT, YOU HAVE THREE TO FOUR HOUR BARRIER AGAINST ANY SIGNIFICANT FIRE EVENT, BASICALLY EVERYTHING WOULD GO UP.

SO IT'S A, IT'S A RELATIVELY ROBUST LEVEL OF PROTECTION AND YOU CAN ALSO MAKE IT NON-PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE PRETTY EASY BY JUST LOCKING THE DOOR THAT GOES TO THE AREA.

AND, AND, AND TO, TO ADD ON MIKE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT MIKE HAD SAID, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE CODES AND STANDARDS NOW ALSO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO, UH, SECURITY MEASURES, UH, AROUND THESE SY THESE SYSTEMS. UM, AND THE, THE REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, REALLY REGARDLESS OF THE OCCUPANCY, YOU KNOW, STILL APPLY.

SO WHETHER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, NEXT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SHOPPING MALL OR OR ANOTHER FACILITY, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE, THE CODES AND STANDARDS ARE OUT THERE TO, YOU KNOW, PROTECT, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC AND, UM, YOU KNOW ANYBODY FROM ACCESSING THE SITE AS WELL.

UH, WHAT ABOUT TOXIC FUMES ON, YOU KNOW, WHICH TESLA SAYS YOU IT COULD EXIST? SO YEAH, IN ANY, ANY FIRE YOU'LL DEVELOP, BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY INCOMPLETE BURNING, YOU'RE GONNA DEVELOP VARIOUS TOXIC GASES.

IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE BURNING.

AND IN SOMETHING LIKE AN ELECTRICAL STORAGE SYSTEM, YOU'LL GET A LOT OF HALOGENATED GASES BECAUSE IT'S VERY COMMON TO USE P V C POLYVINYL CHLORIDE.

IT'S THE PLASTIC THAT YOU USE IN YOUR SPRINKLER PIPES OUT OUTSIDE.

UM, INCOMPLETE COMBUSTION OF THAT LEADS TO HYDROGEN CHLORIDE GAS.

YOU COULD ALSO HAVE STUFF UNRELATED TO A BATTERY.

I'M JUST AN EXAMPLE, IF, IF YOU BURN UP YOUR, YOUR COUCH IN YOUR HOUSE, YOU'RE GONNA GET TOXIC GASES COMING OUTTA THAT TOO.

UM, THE CONCERN OFTEN WITH THESE BATTERY SYSTEMS IS BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE A DEGREE OF FLUORINE IN SOME OF THE CHEMISTRY IS THAT YOU GET HF GAS.

BUT COMPARATIVELY SPEAKING TO THE TOTAL VOLUME OF COMBUSTION GASES, REGARDLESS OF THE SOURCE, IT'S NOT PARTICULARLY ANY MORE OR LESS TOXIC THAN A REGULAR FIRE INVOLVING PLASTIC AND OTHER ORGANIC MATERIALS.

IT'S, IT'S NOT EQUIVALENT TO HAVING SOMEONE SAY, OPEN UP A CYLINDER OF PURE HF GAS AND HAVE THAT VENT OFF.

IT'S, THAT WOULD BE A, WOULDN'T BE AN INAPPROPRIATE COMPARISON.

UM, IF YOU HAD A FIRE IN A FURNITURE STORE, YOU WOULD EXPECT JUST AS MUCH TOXIC GAS AS YOU WOULD IN A BATTERY SYSTEM.

UM, I, YEAH, YOU, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CHEMISTRY OF THE INDIVIDUAL BATTERIES.

UM, IN THE CASE OF TESLA BATTERIES IN PARTICULAR, I HAVE A, PROBABLY A SLIGHTLY HIGHER LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE DUE TO SOME PROJECTS I'VE WORKED ON, AND THEY, THEY WILL EVOLVE HF IN A FIRE.

THEY WILL NOT EVOLVE IT TO ANY DEGREE.

THAT IS A HAZARD IN THE SENSE THAT UNLESS A PERSON IS STAYING IN THERE AND CHOKING ON THE SMOKE, THE EXPOSURE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY WORSE THAN REGULAR SMOKE FROM A NORMAL, A NORMAL FIRE, AUTOMOBILE, AUTOMOBILE FIRE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO PICK.

BASICALLY ANY, ANY FIRE WITH PLASTICS IS GONNA HAVE TOXIC BYPRODUCTS.

EVEN FIRE WITH REGULAR ORGANICS HAS TOXIC BYPRODUCTS.

BUT I THINK WE'RE ALL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH A CAMP FIRE, SO TO SPEAK, THAN WE ARE WITH A, A CAR OR ELECTRICAL FIRE.

WELL, DO YOU HAVE MORE? THAT'S IT.

I I I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, DO YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH WORKING WITH MUNICIPALITIES, WRITING A CODE, WHICH IS ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE, SO THAT IF WE WERE TO WRITE A CODE, WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OH, NO, THAT SETBACK IS NOT APPROPRIATE.

IT REALLY SHOULD BE X, Y, Z.

UM, PERHAPS AROUND THIS, THERE SHOULD BE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF A ROLE.

UM, IT SHOULD BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF S AROUND, YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, OR IT'S JUST NOT APPROPRIATE THERE.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

INSPECTOR FOR THEM BEFORE I LEFT AND CAME BACK INTO PRIVATE INDUSTRY.

SO I WAS, I WAS GONNA SAY, SORRY FOR, FOR SMILING.

UM, I ACTUALLY, WHAT ROB DIDN'T TELL YOU, AND NEITHER DID I, I WORKED FOR THE CITY OF SAN SAN JOSE FOR ALMOST 12 YEARS AS A FIRE

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SO I, I DO HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH CODES AND STANDARDS AND HOW THEY'RE WRITE 'EM, UM, AND WORKED A LOT WITH OUR ZONING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT ON SOME OF THE LOCAL REGULATIONS THAT WE HAD AT THE TIME, AND DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF, ROB.

SO I'LL LET YOU GO NOW.

AND, AND FURTHER TO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, AS I, I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING, YOU KNOW, I'M ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN, IN THE CODE REVISION PROCESS DOWN IN, IN NEW YORK CITY, UH, YOU KNOW, IN, UH, WRITING THE NEXT, OR WRITING THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE NEXT REVISION TO THE NEW YORK CITY BUILDING CODE.

UH, YOU KNOW, BEEN DOING THAT FOR THE LAST, UH, YOU KNOW, SIX OR SO YEARS.

UM, AND ASIDE FROM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LOCAL JURISDICTION, WELL LEVEL ALSO INVOLVED AT, UH, THE NATIONAL LEVEL WITH SOME N F P A STANDARDS IN, UH, YOU KNOW, WRITING REVISIONS TO, TO THOSE LOCALS, THE, THOSE STANDARDS.

SO YES, I, I THINK OVERALL, YES, YOU KNOW, WE AT AR ARE, ARE, UH, HAVE EXPERIENCE AT, UH, YOU KNOW, WRITING AND, AND PROVIDING INPUT INTO CODE REVISIONS, UH, AND OR CODE LANGUAGE.

AND, AND I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT ON THE LOCAL LEVEL THAT YOU USE THE OPPORTUNITY AS A LOCAL JURISDICTION TO TAILOR THE CODE TO THE LOCAL CONDITIONS, BUT NOT PRECLUDE ANY PARTICULAR TECHNOLOGY OR PARTICULAR MANUFACTURER.

WHAT YOU WANNA ADDRESS ARE SPECIAL LOCAL CONDITIONS THAT, THAT ARE ADDRESSED IN A UNIFORM WAY SO THAT IT DOESN'T DISADVANTAGE OR GIVE AN ADVANTAGE TO ANY PARTICULAR GROUP OR MANUFACTURER.

TRYING, TRYING TO DEVELOP A TECHNOLOGY YOU WANNA MAKE PROTECTIVE OF THE COMMUNITY AND THEN GO FROM THERE AND, AND TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THOSE LOCAL CONDITIONS.

SO THE CLASSIC EXAMPLE OUT HERE IN CALIFORNIA IS WE HAVE THESE EARTHQUAKE THINGS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.

THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN YOU WANT TO GO AND HAVE A STRONG EARTHQUAKE CODE IN SOMEWHERE THAT DOESN'T HAVE EARTHQUAKES COMING THROUGH.

CONVERSELY, I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT TORNADOES FOR THE MOST PART.

SO OUR WIND, OUR WIND RESISTANCE REQUIREMENTS CAN BE REDUCED.

DO, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UM, EXPERIENCE WITH PUTTING NOT SO MUCH 20, UH, MEGAWATTS, BUT YOU KNOW, MORE, MORE THAN SAY 800 KILOWATTS IN A SHOPPING CENTER? IN, IN TERMS OF INSIDE THE BUILDING? IS THAT YOU PREFER A LOT ARE OUTSIDE THE BUILDING.

THE NEW YORK CITY ONE DEFINITELY HAS SOME MORE CHALLENGES TO ADDRESS.

SO YEAH, OUT OUTSIDE THE BUILDING, 800 KILOWATTS, IT'S 800 KILOWATTS IS NOT REALLY A CHALLENGE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

UM, YOU HAVE THE ENCLOSURES IN WHICH THE, THE BATTERY U P SS SYSTEM SIT, THEY, THEY, YOU DON'T HAVE HEAT BUILDUP ISSUES.

IF YOU DO HAVE A FIRE ISSUE, YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE A IMPACT TO THE STRUCTURE, TO THE, PEOPLE KEEP CAPTURING THE SMOKE WITHIN THE BUILDING.

SO AN OUTDOOR INSTALLATION IS PRETTY EASY TO SET UP AND TAKE CARE OF.

UM, I'VE, OH, GO AHEAD, ROB.

YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, MIKE, THE, SOME, SOME OF THE, THE INSTALLATIONS THAT THE, THE FOUR EXAMPLES THAT THE MIKE HAD DISCUSSED ON THE, ON THE SLIDE, UM, I BELIEVE ALL OF THOSE WERE LARGER THAN THE, THE 800 KILOWATTS THAT, UH, UH, YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT.

I'M JUST SAYING IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE ONE.

YEAH, WE ACTUALLY, UM, BACK, WE DO A LOT OF DATA CENTERS THAT, AND PRIOR TO THE CURRENT GENERATION IN WHICH EVERYTHING SITS INSIDE RACKS IN THE BUILDING, THE WAY IT USED TO BE DONE IS YOU'D HAVE A LOT OF YOUR U P S SYSTEMS EITHER IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT OR IMMEDIATELY OUTSIDE THE FACILITY, AND THE SIZE OF THOSE CAN GO INTO THE TENS, TWENTIES, HUNDREDS OF MEGAWATTS.

UM, IT'S PREFERABLE FROM OUR STANDPOINT OF SAFETY PEOPLE TO DO THAT.

'CAUSE IF WE HAVE IT OUTSIDE, IT'S, UH, IT'S EASIER TO CREATE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AS PREFERABLE FROM ENERGY STANDPOINT OF MANAGING AND PROTECTING FROM THE ELEMENTS.

BUT IN, IN THE CASE OF AN 800 KILOWATT SYSTEM, HONESTLY, IT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL SYSTEM AND IT'S ALL WEATHERIZED AND CONTAINED.

SO IT, IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO PRETTY MUCH JUST PROTECTING THE SYSTEM FROM THE COMMUNITY AND ISOLATING IT, WHICH IS VERY EASY TO DO IF, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE OUTSIDE AND YOU HAVE SPACE, IT'S, IT'S NOT A, A HUGE TECHNICAL CHALLENGE TO DO THAT.

ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE, UH, ER MODEL LAW THAT WAS RELEASED IN DECEMBER, UH, FOR A LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES TO USE AS A BASICALLY A BOILER PLATE? UH, YEAH.

GUIDANCE AND TO GIVE, UH, GUIDANCE, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY MUNICIPALITY THAT'S ACTUALLY WORKING WITH THAT AND USING IT TO COME UP WITH A LOCAL LAW? SO, UM, SPECIFICALLY USING THAT? NO, UH, NEW YORK CITY DOES HAVE A LOCAL LAW THAT THEY DID RELEASE, UH, BACK IN, I BELIEVE IT WAS LATE 2019, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSES, YOU KNOW, INSTALLATIONS WITHIN NEW YORK CITY.

DO YOU THINK THE NEW YORK CITY ONE IS STRICTER THAN THE MODEL ONE? UM,

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SO, UH, I WOULD SAY IT'S, IT'S A FAIR PRESUMPTION, YES.

AND, AND YOU WOULD FEEL CONFIDENT GIVING US GUIDANCE ON THE NEW YORK CITY ONE IF IT'S, UM, WAS A HIGHER STANDARD THAN, THAN ERDA? YEAH, I MEAN, I, I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, THE, IN MANY INSTANCES, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICATION WITHIN, UH, YOU KNOW, NEW YORK CITY IS, IS, UH, SOMEWHAT UNIQUE BECAUSE OF THE, THE DENSE, YOU KNOW, POPULATION OF, OF BUILDINGS.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, IT, IT REQUIRE A GOOD LOOK TO, TO SEE THE DEMOGRAPHIC OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TOWN OF GREENBERG AND SEE WHAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE OR OR OVERLY RESTRICTIVE FOR YOUR JURISDICTION.

YEAH, THE, THE NEW NEW YORK CITY IS EXTREMELY RESTRICTIVE IN THE USE AND LOCATION OF BATTERIES.

I'M VERY, I'M VERY WELL AWARE THAT , IT'S, IT'S EXTREMELY .

THEY HAVE THEIR OWN REGULATIONS, BUT, UH, FOR THOSE THAT ARE CONCERNED THAT IT, IT, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE DEALING WITH, YOU KNOW, WE GET ABOUT 20 TO 30 FEET BETWEEN HOUSES HERE, NO SPACE BETWEEN HOUSES IN MANY CASES IN NEW YORK CITY.

UM, SO OBVIOUSLY THEY MIGHT, THEY, THEY MIGHT HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS.

SO, AND ANOTHER, UM, THOUGHT AND CONCERN IS IN THE LOCATION OF, OF THE BSS SYSTEM, IT IS ALSO POSSIBLE TO LOOK AT IF, IF THERE IS A FAILURE, WHAT, WHAT IS THE EXPOSURE DOWNWIND, LITERALLY, UM, TO IDENTIFY BETTER, A BETTER LOCATION.

IF THERE'S A CONCERN THAT A PARTICULAR LOCATION COULD FAIL, IMPACT A SENSITIVE RECEPTOR LIKE A SCHOOL, A CHURCH, A HOSPITAL.

THAT'S WHEN YOU LOOK AT, IS THIS A GOOD LOCATION OR DO WE RELOCATE IT TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY OR, OR A DIFFERENT PLACE.

UM, BECAUSE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ACUTE HAZARD, THEN THAT'S USUALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE A ACUTE SHORT TERM, DOES IT KILL YOU THIS INSTANT HAZARD? BUT THERE'S ALSO A CONCERN OF EXPOSURE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO AN INCIDENT.

EVEN THOUGH THAT INCIDENT MIGHT ONLY HAPPEN ONE IN 10,000, ONE IN A MILLION, IT'S STILL SOMETHING YOU WANT TO CONSIDER IN YOUR LOCATION, IN YOUR SIGHTING OF, OF ANY SYSTEM THAT HAS A HAZARDOUS POTENTIAL.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP SEVERAL TIMES IS THE UNLIKELY CASE THAT THERE IS A FIRE.

UM, WE'VE SEEN PICTURES, YOU PROBABLY SAW THE SAME ONE IN SOUTH KOREA.

THEY'RE SHOWING YOU BATTERY, BASICALLY ZOOM WITH THE DOOR OPEN AND FLAMES COMING OUT AND YOU KNOW, IT'S TOXIC AND YOU JUST HAVE TO LET IT BURN OUT.

I ALWAYS WONDER WHY THEY OPEN THE DOOR.

'CAUSE THAT'S JUST GOING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION, , BUT, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD PICTURE.

UM, ARE THERE METHODOLOGIES THAT CAN BE USED SHOULD THE UNUSUAL CASE OF A FIRE HAPPENING, UH, THAT WOULD CAUSE ANY FUMES THAT COME OFF TO REDIRECT AND, AND BE FUNNELED VERTICALLY AS OPPOSED TO, UM, PASSING TO WHATEVER HAPPENS TO BE NEXT DOOR? HIM HORIZONTALLY? YEAH, IF YOU, YOU COULD INFECT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH AN ENCLOSED SPACE AND, AND ESSENTIALLY UP BLAST FANS, WHETHER THAT WOULD BE PRACTICAL OR NOT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT CONSIDERATION.

UM, IN TERMS OF THE COST, THE LIKELIHOOD OF IT HAPPENING, AND THE FACT THAT IF YOU DO HAVE A FIRE EVENT, ESPECIALLY OUTDOORS, IT'S ALREADY, ITS TENDENCY IS GOING TO BE GO VERTICAL SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE BUOYANCY OF THE HEAT COMING OFF OF THE FIRE.

UM, IN, IN FACT, IN SOME CASES, AS YOU WERE SAYING, IT'S BETTER TO LET THINGS BURN THAN TO NOT LET THEM BURN.

IN THE CASE OF A, A LOT OF THE FAILURES THAT YOU'VE SEEN, LIKE YOU SAID, BY OPENING THE DOOR, YOU ACTUALLY CAN INTRODUCE A FAILURE THAT WOULD NOT HAVE EXISTED OTHERWISE.

SO THAT KIND OF LEADS TO A, A SEPARATE TOPIC OF, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE FIRST RESPONDING AGENCIES UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH AND NOT NECESSARILY RUN IN AND DO WHAT THEY WOULD DO IN A NORMAL FIRE.

UM, AND THAT'S A, THAT'S AN ISSUE OF TRAINING.

MOST OF THE MANUFACTURERS WILL PROVIDE THAT AS, AS PART OF THE PURCHASE, BUT IT'S, IT IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.

I, I WOULD SAY IN GENERAL, IN AND OUTDOOR INSTALLATION, I WOULD NOT ACTUALLY TRY TO FORCE THE SMOKE TO GO ANYWHERE, BUT LET IT GO WHERE IT'S GONNA GO NATURALLY.

THE REASON BEING IS BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A RARE EVENT, 364 DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR, THE WIND'S ALWAYS GONNA BLOW TO THE SOUTH.

BUT THEN THAT ONE DAY THAT THE EVENT'S HAPPENING, IT'S BLOWING TO THE NORTH AND THE WHOLE SYSTEM'S DESIGNED TO BLOW IT TO THE SOUTH, IT'S, IT'S NOT A GOOD, IN MY OPINION, NOT A GOOD APPROACH TO TRY TO BEAT MOTHER NATURE.

YOU, YOU USUALLY LOSE AT THE END OF THE DAY.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I SHOULD MENTION, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY SAID THAT, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CANNOT EXTINGUISH

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ELECTRICAL FIRES SUCH AS BURNING OR, UH, OR ARING WIRES OR SPARKING WIRES THAT HAVE BEEN HIT BY FAR AND OBJECTS ONLY KIND THAT HAS THE CAPABILITY OF TURNING THE POWER AND RESOLVING THE SITUATION.

UM, UM, SO THE ISSUE IS, UM, HOW COULD A FIRE DISTRICT SIGN OFF ON A BATTERY FACILITY THAT IS AMEND? I'M NOT, I'M NOT QUITE UNDERSTANDING.

UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD, WHY WOULD THEY SIGN OFF ON IT? IS THAT THE QUESTION? HOW, HOW, HOW IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO EXTINGUISH ELECTRICAL FIRES IN ENERGIZED ELECTRICAL CONDUCTORS.

YOU, YOU MISINTERPRETED, UH, WHAT, UH, WHAT WAS WRITTEN THERE? CONED IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN DEGEN WELL, THERE, THERE ARE CERTAIN CERTIFIED PEOPLE.

WE HAVE ONE IN, IN TOWN.

UH, BUT IN GENERAL, CONED HAS TO DE-ENERGIZE THE WIRES BEFORE ANYBODY CAN DO ANYTHING.

OUR TOWN CAN'T GO IN AND JUST START CUTTING TRAINS AROUND WIRES.

CONED HAS TO DE-ENERGIZE THE WIRES.

SO, SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS, UM, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S NOBODY GOING TO BE AT THE ENERGY STORAGE FACILITY, UM, SO CALLED MANNING IT, UM, HOW, HOW COULD THAT POSSIBLY BE APPROVED? UH, UH, I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT PARTICULAR QUESTION MYSELF, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE TRANSFORMERS IN EVERY POLE, AND THEY CAN GO ON FIRE AND GIVE ALL VERY TOXIC GASES, AND YOU DON'T HAVE A CONED PERSON OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, WAITING TO SEE IF THAT HAPPENS.

BUT IT'S, IT'S A VERY RARE EVENT.

BUT THE QUESTION IS, THE QUESTION I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS, SHOULD A FIRE OCCUR, HOW IS ENERGY, UM, DISCONNECTED FROM THE ENTIRE SITE? OR IS IT DISCONNECTED FROM THE INDIVIDUAL COMPARTMENT? IS THAT ALL, IS THAT ALL DONE REMOTELY OR AUTOMATICALLY? OR HOW IS IT EVEN IN ADVANCE OF SOMEBODY COMING AND ADDRESSING THE FAILURE? OKAY.

YOU KNOW? YEAH.

MIKE, IF I, IF I COULD JUST STEP IN, YOU KNOW, I THINK ALL, YOU KNOW, NO MATTER THIS FACILITY OR, OR REALLY ANY FACILITY, IT, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF EMERGENCY ACTION PLAN WOULD, WOULD NEED TO BE IN PLACE AND, AND COORDINATED WITH ALL THE APPROPRIATE, UH, YOU KNOW, PARTIES.

UM, AND IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU, WE COULD, WE COULD ADVISE ON AND, AND GIVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY COULD ANSWER AND, AND, UH, PROVIDE GUIDANCE ON.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU, MIKE, IF IF YOU JUST, IF YOU'VE GOT SOME, UM, YOU KNOW, QUICK, HIGH LEVEL ADVICE MAYBE, WELL, YEAH, I WAS JUST, I WAS GONNA SAY, IN IN GENERAL WITH B E S SYSTEMS, WITH, ESPECIALLY WITH LITHIUM ION TECHNOLOGY OR LITHIUM, WELL, YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE LITHIUM ION HERE.

UM, ESSENTIALLY THE POWER FEED FROM CON ED WOULD BE DISCONNECTED, I'M ASSUMING, THROUGH A REMOTE BREAKER, USUALLY CONTROLLED EITHER BY CON ED AND OR THE POWER SYSTEM ITSELF.

UM, ALL THE SYSTEMS ARE MONITORED REMOTELY BY THE MANUFACTURER.

THEY LOOK AT, UM, INDIVIDUAL CELL VOLTAGES, THAT'S AND DISCHARGE.

THAT'S HOW THEY START TO PREDICT, TRY TO PREDICT IF A FAILURE'S OCCURRING.

BUT IF A FIRE DOES OCCUR, ESSENTIALLY THE BATTERY SYSTEM'S DISCONNECTED FROM THE ENERGY GRID AND THEN THE DECISION WOULD NEED TO BE MADE.

DO YOU, DO YOU TRY TO EXTINGUISH IT OR DO YOU LET IT BURN OUT? UM, IN GENERAL, THE BEST WAY TO EXTINGUISH THESE BATTERY FIRES IS MASSES OF WATER.

IT, IT'S, YOU'RE TRYING TO TAKE THE HEAT AWAY FROM THE INDIVIDUAL CELL, AND AT THE POINT THAT A FIRE STARTED, YOU'RE NO LONGER WORRIED ABOUT SHORTCIRCUITING THINGS.

SO HUGE HOSE STREAMS ARE A GREAT WAY TO CONTROL THE FIRE.

FRANCIS, MAY I? YES, WILL.

HI, MY NAME'S WALTER GRODEN.

I'M AN 8 55 COMMITTEE MEMBER, AND I'VE MET MR. ACOSTA BEFORE.

UH, PART OF THE ISSUE THAT IS GOING ON WITH THIS QUESTIONING IS CONSOLIDATING ANDERSON, OUR LOCAL ELECTRIC UTILITY DOES DO EMERGENCY RESPONSE, AND WE LOOK AT THEM AS ONE OF THE COPOS TO THE FIRE SERVICE WHEN THEY COME IN, AND THEY ASSIST US A GREAT DEAL, AND WE DON'T TAKE EXTINGUISHING ACTION UNTIL THEY RENDER SAFE.

UH, AND ONCE THEY DO THAT, THEN WE WILL TAKE EXTINGUISHING ACTION.

PART OF THE ISSUE HERE IS THE BEST IS PRIVATELY OWNED.

IT STILL CONTAINS STRANDED ENERGY.

, WE DO NOT KNOW AT THIS POINT WHAT THE UTILITY WILL OR WILL NOT DO.

THE SECOND ISSUE IS, EVEN IF IT IS DISCONNECTED FROM INCOMING AND OUTGOING VOLTAGES,

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AND THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT CONCERN FOR FIRST RESPONDERS.

AND HOW THAT GETS DEALT WITH THE EMERGENCY ACTION PLAN, WHICH YOU REFERRED TO, MIKE, SHOULD HAVE ADDRESS THAT IN SOME EXTENSIVE DETAIL.

SO THE FIRE SERVICE AND THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS WILL BE TO GET EQUIPMENT THERE TO DEAL WITH THE STRANDED ENERGY, THE TIME IT WILL TAKE IF THERE IS OVERTIME INCURRED ON THE PART OF FIRE SERVICE OR PD PEOPLE, UH, AND WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.

THOSE ARE THE PART OF THE ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE LEARNED ON THIS SIDE OF THE COUNTRY FOR AN INITIAL BEST INSTALLATION WHERE THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN IT IN A SUBURBAN AREA.

THE CITY HAS DONE THESE BEFORE AND HAS THOUGHT SOME OF THIS STUFF OUT.

WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT SIMILAR, UH, PRIVILEGE YET.

THAT'S ONE OF THE AREAS I THINK IF RETAINED YOUR FIRM WOULD BE, UH, UH, ASSISTING THE COMMUNITY WITH NO, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HE SAID.

WALT, THE, UM, WHAT HAPPENED IN ARIZONA WAS, I MEAN, YOU CAN GET INTO THE LEGALITY OF IT BACK AND FORTH, BUT IT WAS ESSENTIALLY A FAILURE OF COMMUNICATION WITH THE RESPONDING AGENCY CAUSED BY, THERE WERE VARIOUS FACTORS THAT CAUSED IT, BUT HAD THEY BEEN BETTER INFORMED, THEY NEVER WOULD'VE OPENED THE DOOR, LITERALLY.

SO WHAT WE WOULD NEED THEN, AS PART OF OUR PROPOSED LOCAL LAW IS GUIDANCE IN THOSE TYPE OF BEST PRACTICES.

AND WHAT TRAINING IS NECESSARY AND WHAT WE SHOULD REQUIRE BE PROVIDED TO OUR LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND FIRE COMPANIES.

IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN PROVIDE? YEAH, I MEAN, SO SOME OF THAT'S ALREADY COVERED IN THE STANDARDS, THE MINIMUMS THAT'S REQUIRED.

UM, FROM A ACTUAL TRAINING STANDPOINT, I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST DEFERRING STRONGLY TO THE MANUFACTURER OF WHATEVER B E S IS SELECTED, WE COULD REVIEW AND SAY WHETHER WE OR NOT AGREE YOU WOULD.

I THINK YOU WOULD ALSO WANT THAT REVIEW TO INCLUDE THE FIRE AGENCY THAT'S RESPONDING AND IT, AND CONED TOO, TO MAKE SURE IT'S WITHIN THE CAPABILITIES THAT THEY POSSESS.

BECAUSE A MANUFACTURER CAN SAY, DO X, Y, Z, BUT IF I DON'T HAVE AN ENGINE, OR I'M ONLY CARRYING A THOUSAND GALLONS OF WATER AND I DON'T HAVE A HYDRANT TO TAP, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.

IF I'M SUPPOSED TO PUT 10,000 GALLONS OUT, I CAN'T.

SO IT'S, IT'S CAN'T JUST BE ARUP PROVIDING GUIDANCE.

ARUP CAN PROVIDE REVIEW AND COMMENT AND THEN MAKE SURE WE'RE TRYING TO GET ALL THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO THE TABLE.

ANYONE ELSE? VERY GOOD.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, MIKE? YEAH.

AGAIN, THIS MIGHT, THIS MIGHT BE AN IGNORANT QUESTION, BUT I'D LIKE TO ASK IT ANYWAY, BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA, UM, OF THESE PROPOSED FACILITIES HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS.

WE'VE HEARD, UM, WHAT, UH, ROB AND MIKE, YOU BOTH SAID ABOUT THE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF WATER USED, UH, IF THERE SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE UNFORTUNATE EVENT, AN UNLIKELY EVENT OF A FIRE, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, UH, PARTICULARLY WITH REGARD TO, UM, UH, WITH REGARD TO THE SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, FULL OF LOCAL RESIDENTS, UM, DOES THAT WATER THAT USED TO PUT OUT THE, UM, NOT NECESSARILY TO PUT OUT, BUT TO CONTAIN THE, THE FIRE FROM SPREADING, DOES THAT CARRY ELECTRICITY WITH IT? YEAH, SO NO TO, WELL, ASSUMING THAT THE ELECTRICITY HAS BEEN CUT OFF THE, THE CON ED SERVICE OR WHOEVER'S PROVIDING THE ELECTRICAL SERVICE TO THE BUILDING, TO THE SITE, THE, THE WATER GOING THROUGH THE BATTERY PACK AND THEN COMING OUT DOES ISN'T ENERGIZED.

THE BA THE BATTERIES ARE SHORTING OUT IN THE FIRE, AND THEY WOULD ALSO SHORT OUT AND DISCHARGE AS THE WATER GOES THROUGH.

BUT IT, IF YOU WERE TO HAVE A, A RUNOFF COMING ACROSS, SAY THE, THE PARKING LOT, THAT SHOULD NOT BE ENERGIZED.

WOULD BE THE SAME AS IN ANY, ANY STRUCTURE OR, OR BUILDING FIRE.

SO THAT, THAT, THAT SHOULD NOT BE ENERGIZED AND GROUND BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY GROUNDED.

IT'S, IT'S ALREADY SITTING ON THE GROUND, AND IT'S ALSO NOT CONNECTING TO CONDUCTORS.

THE, THE CONNECTION OF THE CONDUCTORS IS OCCURRING INSIDE THE, THE B E S UNIT, THE BATTERY UNIT ITSELF.

IT'S NOT OCCURRING ON THE WATER THAT'S, THAT'S GOING ON OUT.

SO IF, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE MIKE, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE A SHUTOFF AT THE BEGINNING, WOULD THERE BE ELECTRIFIED WATER? I, IT'S, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY, IF SAY THE, UH, THE MAIN POWER TO THE BUILDING IS NOT SHUT OFF, THEN THEORETICALLY A PERSON COULD END UP BEING THE GROUND POINT BETWEEN WHEREVER THAT FEED COMES IN AND THE WATERS THE CONDUCTOR OVER TO THEM.

THAT

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BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S UNLIKELY, BUT IT, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT SCENARIOS THAT THAT COULD OCCUR.

UM, AN EXAMPLE COULD BE IF, IF YOU HAD A HOT TUB AND A CONDUCTOR WAS EXPOSED, AND SOME, I ASK HIM ABOUT HOT TUB, I'M JUST SAYING, WHAT IF, WHAT IF THE, THERE'S A FIRE AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AUTOMATICALLY TURNED OFF AND WHATEVER.

AND I'M NOT CLEAR ON WHAT THE SYSTEM IS TO TURNING IT OFF, WHETHER IT'S CON OR WHETHER IT HAPPENS REMOTELY BY THE OPERATOR, OR WHETHER IT HAPPENS BY THE MANUFACTURER.

WHATEVER THE SYSTEM IS OF TURNING OFF, WHAT IF THAT DOESN'T WORK PERFECTLY? AND THERE'S STILL A TIME PERIOD BEFORE THE CUTOFF THAT WATER IS USED, OR YOU'RE SAYING WATER SHOULD NOT BE USED UNTIL THE CUTOFF.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

YEAH, TO YOUR, TO YOUR POINT, MIKE, THEY, THEY SHOULD NOT START ANY SUPPRESSION EFFORT UNTIL THEY'VE GOT CLEARANCE FROM THE ELECTRICAL UTILITY BEFORE THEY, YEAH.

IF, IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SHOWED UP AND JUST STARTED HOSING IT DOWN, THAT WOULD NOT BE A GOOD THING.

AND TO WHAT WALT WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, THAT'S THE EXACT TYPE OF THING YOU WANNA PREVENT FROM HAPPENING.

SO, SO IT'S A, IT'S A PLANNING AND COORDINATION THING THAT WE HAVE TO OKAY.

AND, AND FRANCIS, IT'S JUST ONE FOLLOW UP.

IF, IF, IF WE HAD A CODE THAT SAID THE VARIOUS TYPE OF HAZARDOUS PLAN, YOU KNOW, EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLANS, COORDINATION PLANS, HAZARDOUS, UH, SHUT OFF PLANS HAD TO BE SUBMITTED IN WRITING, DOES YOUR, WOULD YOUR FIRM, OBVIOUSLY, FOR A FEE PAID FOR BY THE APPLICANT, WOULD THEY REVIEW AND CONSULT ON THE SUFFICIENCY OF THOSE IN THE PARTICULAR SITUATION? YEAH, WE, WE COULD DO THAT.

AND AS I WAS SAYING EARLIER, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO COORDINATE THAT WITH THE FIRST RESPONDERS.

UM, IT WOULDN'T JUST, I, I COULD MAKE MY COMMENTS, BUT I WOULD HONESTLY, I WOULD INSIST THAT THEY ALSO MAKE THEIR COMMENTS.

OH YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

UM, BUT YEAH, WE, WE COULD CONSULT ON THOSE.

AND I WOULD ACTUALLY SUGGEST THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MIKE, IS AN APPROPRIATE ACTION TO TAKE IT, IT SHOULD BE IN WRITING, IS APPROPRIATE OR INAPPROPRIATE.

IT IS APPROPRIATE.

IT'S APPROPRIATE.

THEY, THERE, IT SHOULD BE, THERE SHOULD BE NO QUESTION THAT THERE'S A WRITTEN EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN PROVIDED WITH ANY SYSTEM THAT GOES IN THAT, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S A GIVEN THAT HAS TO BE DONE.

IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT TO PUT ONE IN AND NOT HAVE ANY PLAN IN PLACE.

THAT, THAT WOULD JUST NOT BE A GOOD IDEA AT ALL.

THANK YOU, FRANCIS.

ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ROBERT.

REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

NEXT WE HAVE THE PURCHASE ORDERS AND THEN THE AGENDA REVIEW.

AND, UM, GARRETT, WOULD YOU, UH, I THINK WE SAID, UH, TO WALTER AND YOU THAT WE WERE GONNA, UH, UM, EMAIL THEM A COUPLE MINUTES BEFORE? WILL DO, WILL DO.

I JUST SENT HIM A NOTE.

OH, SORRY.

GOOD EVENING.

UH, THIS IS GONNA BE QUITE SHORT.

UH, THERE'S ONLY TWO REQUISITIONS, UH, THAT I HAVE ON THE SPREADSHEET.

UH, THE FIRST ONE IS FROM THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

IT'S FOR $3,995.

IT'S FROM VINYL FLOORING TO BE PUT IN THE ADMINISTRATION AREA, UH, AND THE SECRETARY NUTRITION AREAS.

UM, I HAD ASKED JOE OR JERRY TO BE HERE TO TRY AND EXPLAIN THAT I'M HERE.

JOE'S HERE.

JERRY, YOU ON? I'M HERE.

AN IDEA OF HOW MANY SQUARED MEAT THAT WOULD BE? UM, I, WE HAD IT DOWN, UM, THE EXACT AMOUNT I DON'T HAVE.

AND JERRY'S HERE TOO.

YOU GUYS AGAIN? YEAH, I, I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A QUICK, UM, OVER, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UH, ABOUT ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, WE PUT IN A, UH, CARPET SYSTEM.

UH, WE HAD SOME FLOODING CALLED LITTLE, UH, MOLDING.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO CLEAN IT UP TO MAKE IT SAFE.

UM, AND WE THOUGHT WITH COVID, UH, TRYING TO SANITIZE THE FLOORS EASIER, UH, SINCE THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC SOMETIMES FROM THE KITCHEN THAT GOES THROUGH A SECRETARY'S OFFICE TO THE NUTRITION OFFICE, THAT WE WOULD DUPLICATE THE SAME FLOORING SYSTEM WE HAVE IN ADMINISTRATION BUILDING FOR ALL THE HALLWAYS, UH, ALL THE WAY, UH, THE BACK OFFICES, UH, ALONG WITH, UH, THE REGISTRATION AREA.

SO WE THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PRICE, IT'S, UH, VERY WELL WORTH IT, UH, TO EXTEND IT INTO THOSE TWO OFFICES.

DO YOU HAVE

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I CAN GET THAT TO YOU BEFORE THE MEETING.

'CAUSE WE DID, WE DID GET A PRICE CODE ON THE REQUISITION.

I DON'T KNOW IF PETE HAS IT ON THE REQUISITION AND I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.

THE ONLY WAY WE'LL KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS.

WELL, I JUST SQUARE FOOTAGE.

IT'S, IT'S TOO, IT'S, IT'S A REALLY GOOD PRICE.

I, I, I CAN GET THAT TO YOU AND SEND IT TO THE BOARD, UH, TOMORROW MORNING.

YEAH, JERRY, IT'S THREE.

PRICE IT OUT.

SO, AND IT SEEMS TO BE A VERY FAIR PRICE COMPARED TO, UH, THE GOING RATE.

SO SOMETHING, SO YOU'VE SEEN THE SQUARE PRICE? UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS ON THE REQUISITION.

I DON'T HAVE THE REQUISITION IN FRONT OF ME.

I WONDER YOU HAVE IT AND YOU THINK IT'S A FAIR PRICE, BUT, UM, IT SEEMED LIKE A, A FAIR PRICE AS WITH ALL THE THREE, UH, PRICE QUOTES THAT WE'VE GOTTEN.

UM, AS WILL BE AN ENTRY POINT FOR THE NEW TRANSMISSION MAIN THAT WE'RE PUTTING, UH, FROM RUM BOOK TO THE EXISTING STATION.

AND THE OTHER ONE IS THE CUSTOM WATER PANEL.

THE, THE NEXT ONE IS THE CUSTOM WATER PANEL FOR THE WATER DEPARTMENT.

UM, IT'S, THEY, THEY'VE REQUESTED IT TO GO THROUGH HACK, UH, WHICH IS ONE THE MANUFACTURER THAT HAS MOST OF OUR, UH, EQUIPMENT IN THE WATER SHOP IN OUR WATER DEPARTMENT.

UH, THIS IS NEEDED, UH, ACCORDING TO THE WATER DEPARTMENT FOR MONITORING WATER COMING IN.

AND IT'S, UH, DICTATED BY THE E P A.

UH, I HAD ASKED, UH, RICH FINE TO COME IN AND, UH, EXPLAIN THAT.

I'M HERE.

PETE RICH, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE? SURE.

SO THE, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE WATER DEPARTMENT, UH, MONITORS AND DELIVERS THE WATER TO THE TOWN.

THIS, UH, PUMP STATION IS ALSO HALF OWNED BY THE VILLAGE OF IRVINGTON.

SO WHATEVER WE DO PAY, ULTIMATELY IRVINGTON IS GONNA HAVE TO PAY HALF.

THIS IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE SECONDARY PUMP STATION AND THE MAIN PUMP STATION SCADA SYSTEM TELLS US THE PUMPS THAT ARE ON THE TANK LEVELS, UH, BASICALLY THE BRAINS OF THE OPERATION.

SO OUR OPERATOR, WHO'S UP ON THE SECOND FLOOR, WHICH IS MAN 24 7 OR IS OCCUPIED 24 7, UH, CAN SEE THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.

SO THIS ALLOWS THEM TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE, THE OTHER, UH, PUMP STATION.

I WILL TELL YOU, UM, THERE'S ANOTHER ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

THE PUMP STATION WAS DOWN EARLIER IN THE WEEK OR THIS PAST WEEKEND, UM, DUE TO THE, UH, YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE N I C SYSTEMS IN OUR, UH, PURCHASING, UM, IN THE PUBLIC WORKS.

AND THIS HAD TO GET DONE.

SO IT WAS, IT WAS EMERGENCY TYPE WORK.

I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE THOUGH IS, WHO SAID THAT YOU REALLY WANTED TO USE THIS ONE COMPANY, WHICH MEANS THERE WASN'T A BIDDING PROCESS INVOLVED? YES, WERE GETTING A GOOD PRICE.

SOME OF THIS IS PROPRIETARY.

UH, I DO KNOW THAT, UH, CHUCK MARTINS AND ANDY DONNELLY ARE CONSTANTLY OUT TRYING TO IMPROVE THE SYSTEM AND SAVE MONEY.

UM, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO GET ANY OTHER INFORMATION YOU NEED IN RESPECT IT ON CONTRACT.

IS IT ON, IS IT, OR ARE WE JUST STATING THAT THIS IS THE ONLY COMPANY WE WANT USE? YOU MEAN, UH, LET ME UNDERSTAND.

IS THERE, SO IS THERE ANY OTHER CONTROL PANEL THAT, UM, CAN INTERFACE WITH THIS OR IS IT THAT WE HAVE TO, WE'RE KIND OF OBLIGATED TO GO TO THIS COMPANY? NO, THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS ON STATE NEW YORK STATE CONTRACT.

SO WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU GO TO, YOU KNOW, MOST OF WHAT WE GET IS EITHER DONE THROUGH BID NET OR WE, WE, UH, GO TO STATE CONTRACT THINGS THAT WE, WE DO PUT OUT TO BID OR LIKE THE MATERIALS AND SUCH.

BUT A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS, YOU KNOW, IS ON A CONSORTIUM NEW YORK STATE.

IT'S JUST, HONESTLY, IT'S EASIER FOR US IN A LOT OF RESPECTS.

AND WHEN WE COME TO YOU GUYS, IT'S ALREADY BEEN VETTED.

SO THIS IS OFTEN NEW YORK STATE CONTRACT, AND IT'S EASIER TO GO TO, UH, ONE VENDOR AS OPPOSED TO, UH, INDIVIDUAL VENDORS.

UH, USUALLY GOING BY INDIVIDUAL, UH, CONTRACT, YOU'LL GET A CHEAPER PRICE THAN IF YOU GO OUT AND HIRE PLUMBERS TO DO ONE SECTION, ELECTRICIANS TO DO ANOTHER SECTION, UH, ANOTHER COMPANY TO, TO, UH, DESIGN THE CONTROL PANEL.

UH, SO IT'S ALWAYS A LOT CHEAPER, UH, WHEN YOU'VE USED ONE PARTICULAR VENDOR FOR EVERYTHING.

AND I WILL NOTE THAT CHUCK ALSO PUT IN HERE THIS WATER QUALITY MONITORING IS REQUIRED AS PART OF THE SAFE WATER DRINKING ACT,

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AND IT'S ALSO EASIER TO GO ON STATE BIDS AND TO DEAL WITH PETE.

SORRY, PETE.

NO, IT'S .

AS LONG AS IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S ON STATE CONTRACT.

YES, THAT'S FAIR.

YEP.

IT'S MY INITIAL HEARING OF IT WAS, YOU LIKE THIS COMPANY, SO WE JUST WANTED TO GO WITH THEM, EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT NO, THEY, THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, AT THE WATER DEPARTMENT, A LOT OF THE EQUIPMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES JUST NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED OR TWEAKED.

SO SOMETIMES THAT DOES HAPPEN, BUT IT IS ON STATE BID.

OKAY, THANKS PETE.

I ONLY HAVE, I HAVE ONE MORE THAT I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO PUT ON THE, UH, SPREADSHEET.

AND ONE IS FROM, FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

IT'S FOR 14 NEW BULLETPROOF VESTS.

UH, THE COST IS APPROXIMATELY A LITTLE OVER $9,000.

UH, I CHECKED WITH, UH, CAPTAIN VALENTINE AND ASKED IF WE NEED 14 VESTS.

AND, UH, HIS ANSWER WAS, A LOT OF THE VESTS ARE, ARE WORN, UH, THEY HAVE TO BE REPLACED.

AND THERE'S A FEW THERE THAT WILL BE, UH, FOR NEW POLICE OFFICERS.

UM, SO YOU KNOW WHAT THE NEXT QUESTION IS, ? WAS, WAS THIS PUT OUT TO BID? IS IT ON STATE CONTRACT? IT'S ON STATE CONTRACT.

THIS VENDOR IS ON STATE CONTRACT.

THE ONLY REASON I'M BRINGING IT UP IS BECAUSE IT, IT IS $9,000, AND I KNOW YOU PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW WHERE, WHERE YOUR MONEY'S GOING.

UH, BUT I DID, UH, I DID CHECK WITH CAPTAIN VALENTINE, AND, UH, THE QUESTION WAS, DO WE NEED 14 OR CAN WE GET AWAY WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, HALF OF THAT? AND HE SAID, NO, HE, THE, THE, UH, THE NUMBER OF VESTS HAVE, UH, SEEN BETTER DAY, AND HE WANTS, UH, ONE OR TWO FOR , UH, AS HE GETS HIRED.

WELL, THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PROCEDURE FOR THESE THINGS TO BE, YOU KNOW, A FEW THEM EACH YEAR, UH, BEING REPLACED AND OPPOSED TO HAVING MORE COME UP AT ONCE.

SO IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE THAT POLICY, I ASSUME THE CHIEF IS NOT ON, SO WE'LL HAVE TO ASK HIM.

I I'LL MENTION THAT TO CAPTAIN VALENTINE.

AND, UH, IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO REPLACE, UH, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE IN A YEAR AS OPPOSED TO 14 AT ONE TIME.

UH, I WILL MENTION THAT TO CAPTAIN BOW WHEN I TALK TO HIM TOMORROW.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

SO SHOULD WE MOVE ON NOW WITH THE GENDER REVIEW? MAY? JUST A MOMENT.

I'M NOT HOME.

I'M ON THE, AT THE BOARD MEETING NOW.

ALL.

HEY, PETE, I SENT YOU AN EMAIL.

IF YOU CAN JUST, UM, TOUCH BASE WITH ME TOMORROW.

YEAH, SURE.

WE HAVE, UH, TWO MOMENTS OF SILENCE.

WELL, WE'LL INCLUDE PICTURES BY TOMORROW.

ARE THERE ANY PRESENTATIONS, PAUL? YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING, I HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW AT SIX 30, UM, TO, UH, SEVEN 30 THROUGH THE COVID ANGEL, UH, COMMITTEE.

AND, UM, I'M THINKING OF, UH, INVITING THEM.

UH, THEY'RE REALLY DOING LIKE AN, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY MAY STILL BE MEETING WHEN, UH, WHEN WE HAVE OUR, OUR MEETING.

IT'S REALLY AMAZING.

THEY HAVE 150, UM, VOL PLUS VOLUNTEERS SO FAR.

UH, THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF TEAM LEADERS.

UM, UM, THEY HAVE SUCH AN AMAZING, UH, ORGANIZATION THAT THEY PULL TOGETHER, UH, USING, UM, GOOGLE DOCS, UH, ASSIGNING PEOPLE TO VOLUNTEERS.

THEY HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE, UH, GONNA BE TRAINING THE VOLUNTEERS ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW THEY SHOULD DEAL WITH PEOPLE.

UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAVE A GROUP THAT'S, UH, INTERACTING WITH PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY WHO WANNA DO SOMETHING SIMILAR.

SO, BUT, AND I THINK THEY'RE GONNA START ACTUALLY MAKING THE PHONE CALL REACH TO AT LEAST 2,800 PEOPLE SENIORS, UM, OVER THE WEEKEND.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE ABLE TO, UM, COME TOMORROW, I'D, I'D INVITE THEM OTHERWISE, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, TWO WEEKS FROM NOW AFTER

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THEY REALLY GET STARTED.

BUT THIS IS BEYOND, UM, ANY EXPECTATIONS THAT I, THAT I HAD.

CAROL ALLEN'S DOING IT.

NOT AN AMAZING JOB, MORE THAN AN AMAZING JOB.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST REALLY VERY FORTUNATE THAT, UH, WE HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE SO OUTSTANDING.

SO THIS MAY BE COVID ANGELS.

WHAT? SO WE MAY HAVE COVID ANGELS ON HERE, PO YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY.

UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE YET.

YOU KNOW, IF THEY, IF THEY COULD SHOW UP, I'LL JUST CALL THEM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.

SO A QUESTION WAS RAISED REGARDING THE, UH, GLENVILLE FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT, UM, UM, THAT WE, THAT WE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT BEFORE.

SO IF WE CAN'T RESOLVE THAT BY TOMORROW NIGHT, WE'LL, WE'LL BE HOLDING THIS OVER.

AND THEN WE ARE GETTING QUITE A FEW PEOPLE REQUESTING, UH, THE LINK FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE, UH, RIDGEWOOD ELWOOD OWNER, RIDGEWOOD ELMWOOD OWNER, WHICH, UH, WE ALL KNOW IS ON FERRY ROAD.

WE'RE GONNA BE HOLDING OVER THE GLENVILLE FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT CONTRACT FOR 2020, UH, BECAUSE OF A NOTICING ISSUE.

VERY WELL.

LEMME JUST ASK YOU A QUESTION FOR, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, ELMWOOD, YOUR MAJOR CONCERN WAS THE TAXES.

AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT TAXES OF FUTURE.

UM, YOU KNOW, KIND THOSES, WE THINK WE COULD ASK, UM, JOAN TO, UM, SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH, UM, SENATOR COUSINS AND ASSEMBLYMAN ANTE, UH, JUST TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSAL LEGISLATION THAT WOULD TREAT, UM, FUTURE, UM, DEVELOPMENTS AS, AS RESIDENTIAL.

UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A, A FACTOR IN THIS WHOLE ISSUE THAT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE.

I DON'T THINK SHE'S ON, I THINK SHE'S .

WELL, MAYBE WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, SEE IF WE COULD SCHEDULE HER, UH, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONERS.

SO ADVANCE IN ZOOM AND HAVING OUR EXECUTIVE SESSIONS WHERE YOU CAN APPOINT THE PERSON PUT ON THE AGENDA IMMEDIATELY.

SO WE HAVE THESE TWO PEOPLE FOR APPOINTMENT TOMORROW.

WE HAVE TO GET THE TERMS WHEN THEIR EXPIRATION DATE IS.

NOW WE SHOULD HAVE SOME TEARDROPS OVER HERE ACCEPTING, UH, BANDAID, ANDRE, EARLY ABANDONMENT CAST MACHINE.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE THAT EDITED TO REFLECT THE COMMISSIONER OF THE DEPARTMENT AS OPPOSED TO THE FACILITY? OH, COMMISSIONER.

OH, IS THAT BETTER? NO, NO.

THE HUMAN RESOURCES, THE RESOURCES.

OH, YOU DON'T .

THAT'S RIGHT.

OH, IS THAT BETTER? DOES THAT MEET YOUR APPROVAL, COMMISSIONER? YES, IT DOES.

ON THE JOB TILL THE END, .

HEY, WHO KNOWS? I MIGHT RESEND .

THAT'S A THREAT, RIGHT? NO, I'M SURE .

WHOA, WHOA.

JOE TOUGH CROWD TONIGHT.

UNBELIEVABLE.

YEAH, NO WONDER HE IS LEAVING.

ALRIGHT, SO TV ONE IS NOT NATIONAL GUN VIOLENCE SURVIVING NEED.

UH, DID WALTER OR, UH, A FEW PEOPLE WANNA SPEAK ABOUT TB TWO BEFORE? YES, I WOULD.

I'M, I'M RIGHT NOW I'M BETWEEN TWO MEETINGS AND IF, IF THERE, I LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE COULD BE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT TONIGHT.

IF NOT, I'LL GO BACK TO MY OTHER MEETING.

IF YOU ARE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THIS ISSUE TONIGHT, THEN I'LL STAY.

WHAT'S YOUR CONCERN? SO MY QUESTION IS, WILL YOU BE DISCUSSED HAVING ANY DISCUSSION ON MS TONIGHT? WE'RE DOING IT.

WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW, THE DISCUSSIONS.

WHY, WHAT CONCERNS DO YOU HAVE? OH, WELL, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND, WHAT IS THE, UH, WHAT IS IT THAT THE TOWN BOARD WOULD IS LOOKING AT TO, UM, PROPOSING, UH, FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO DO, UH, HOW THE STRUCTURE OF THE COMMITTEE, WHAT WILL BE THE MANDATE OF THAT COMMITTEE? UH, WHEN DO YOU EXPECT THE, UH, RESPONSE OF THE COMMITTEE? IS THE COMMITTEE LOOKING AT THE LAW A POSSIBLE LAW, OR IS THE COMMITTEE LOOKING AT A MEMBER, UH, MORATORIUM OR BOTH? SO I'D JUST LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR CONCERN, WALTER? PLUMBING? WHAT,

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COULD YOU PULL UP THE RESOLUTION SO THIS WAY PEOPLE COULD SEE IT? I MADE A LITTLE SMALLER BECAUSE THE ROAD ARE GOING TO BE CUT OFF ON CABLE BECAUSE OF THE PICTURE SUPERVISOR.

AND, AND IF I COULD, UH, IN SHORT, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR, SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS, WALTER? YES.

UM, I, I, I SEE, I SEE THE COMMITTEE.

JARED.

JUST LET US READ THIS.

UH, I WOULD CERTAINLY WANNA HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT CAN WE JUST HAVE A ANOTHER COUPLE MINUTES TO READ THIS, PLEASE? COULD YOU SCROLL IT UP, FRANCIS? I GOT THE FIRST FOUR WAREHOUSES AND A FULL A SCROLLING DOWN.

FIVE WAREHOUSES.

AND THEN, THEN OF COURSE WE GET HAVE A CONTACT TO READ IT THAT ALL THE TIME.

ME.

KEEP GOING UP PLEASE.

ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S IT.

GOT IT.

THANK, UH, THANK YOU.

UM, OKAY, GARRETT, I'M SORRY.

I APOLOGIZE FOR CUTTING YOU OFF.

NO PROBLEM.

NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I ENVISION THIS FUNCTIONING VERY SIMILAR TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE C C F, UH, UH, UH, PRIOR TO THE C C F LEGISLATION, UM, THAT USE IS NOT PERMITTED IN THE TOWN.

UH, WE WORKED WITH, UH, RESIDENTS AND, YOU KNOW, UH, DISCUSSED IDEAS, DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, IMPACTS NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER AND, UH, JUST WORKED COLLABORATIVELY IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF A LOCAL LAW.

SO I KNOW, YOU KNOW, MANY ON THE CALL HERE, UH, THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE, WE'RE A PART OF THAT PROCESS.

SO I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

IT'S NOTHING, UH, MORE COMPLEX.

ONE QUESTION.

UH, I DID NOT, UH, YOU TOOK IT, YOU TOOK THE SCREEN OFF BEFORE I READ EVERYTHING.

I'M NOT QUITE A FAST READER AT AS, UH, MIKE, BUT DID WE, DOES IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A MORATORIUM IN THIS PROPOSAL? IT DOES NOT, NO.

COME UP WITH A LOCAL LAW, UM, RELATIVELY QUICKLY, BUT NOT OF COURSE, AT THE EXPENSE OF COMING UP WITH A GOOD AND SAFE LAW.

IT DOES NOT.

SO IF THE COMMITTEE IS STRICTLY TO COME UP WITH AN APPROPRIATE CODE THAT WE COULD PUT IN PLACE PRIOR TO THE, UH, APPROVAL OF ANY BATTERY STORAGE, WINDMILL, UH, OR, OR, UM, SOLAR PREMISE, UH, FACILITY, THIS PARTICULAR RESOLUTION WAS NOT ADDRESSED.

WINDMILL OR SOLAR, UH, GARRETT CAN DO THAT IN PARALLEL, UH, WITH A FAIRLY QUICK, UH, CHANGE TO THE LAW, WHICH BASICALLY GIVES US TIME.

WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON THE BATTERY ENGINE STORAGE SYSTEMS FIRST.

UM, OKAY.

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT THAT, THAT, TO MAKE SURE THIS IS DONE QUICKLY.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE CAN PUT THROUGH A MINOR CHANGE TO THE CODE THAT WOULD BASICALLY NOT ALLOW THE, UM, WIND MILLS AND THE, UH, THE TURBINES AND THE SOLAR SIMILAR FARMS UNTIL WE GET TO ADDRESS IT, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE THOROUGHLY.

AND SO WE, WE CAN DO THAT, WE CAN DO THAT, UH, SIMILARLY, BUT THE FOCUS OF THIS IS FOR THIS GROUP TO HELP GARRETT WORK WITH GARRETT TO

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BUT RELATIVELY QUICKLY COME UP WITH A LOCAL LAW.

THE DATE ON HERE IS TO PRESENT IT TO THE TOWN BOARD NO LATER THAN APRIL 9TH.

AND I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT'S A VERY OUTSIDE DATE BECAUSE THERE STILL HAS TO BE THE APPROVAL PROCESS, SENDING IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD, GETTING IT BACK, APPROVING IT, AND GETTING IT INTO PLACE.

FRANCIS, I WOULD THINK THAT THE DATE IS DOABLE CONTINGENT ON THE TOWN HIRING THE EXPERT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

UH, THAT'S ALSO THE MOTIVATION, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT WAS, IT IS THE, I MEAN, THE INFORMATION WE GOT TONIGHT IN THAT TOP LINE PRESENTATION, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I I'M SURE YOU DID.

YOU ASKED TERRIFIC QUESTIONS AND I LEARNED A LOT.

UM, AND I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE HELPFUL.

I AGREE.

THE QUESTION I HAVE RIGHT NOW IS WE'VE GOT A STAY ON, UM, NO WOULD TILL THE, UM, TILL THE, UH, ZONING BOARD RULES ON, ON, ON BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OPINION.

WHAT IS THE STATUS ON CENTRAL AVENUE? DO, HAS ANYBODY ASKED THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AT THIS POINT FOR AN OPINION ON THOSE TWO PROJECTS? BECAUSE AGAIN, WHEN I HEARD THE PRESENTATION LAST WEEK, THEY SEEMED TO THINK, OH, WE'RE AT ACCESSORY USE AND WE CAN RUN AHEAD.

UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY THE CASE UNDER OUR CODE.

AND, UM, IF INDEED WE ENDED UP IN A SITUATION LIKE NORWOOD, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS AND HAVE TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD AGAIN.

I WOULD HOPE WE COULD CIRCUMVENT THAT.

SO HAS ANYBODY AT LEAST REACHED OUT TO MR. REIC AND GOTTEN AN OPINION YET? UH, WE WERE, WE WERE INTENDING TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AT THE MEETING THIS AFTERNOON.

AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A, A BIT OF A, A MEDICAL ISSUE WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT MM-HMM.

AND SO, UM, WE WILL GET, WE WILL GET THAT ANSWER.

HOW, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY MINDFUL IN THE CA MIXED USE DISTRICT IF, IF SOMETHING IS NOT SPECIFICALLY PERMITTED, IT'S PROHIBITING, I THINK AN ARGUMENT COULD BE MADE THAT IF YOU'RE BASICALLY GENERATING MORE, UM, UH, IF YOU'RE GENERATING MORE ENERGY THAN THAT'S BEING USED ON THE SITE AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY PUTTING IT BACK ON THE GRID, I THINK THERE COULD BE AN ARGUMENT THERE THAT THAT'S REALLY NOT ACCESSORY.

I, I, I, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

I'M JUST CONCERNED AS THIS THINGS COME IN AND, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, YOU I THINK HAVE AN INTERESTING IDEA ON THE, UH, WINDMILLS AND ON ON THE SOLAR FARMS. I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT WE DO, WE, I WANNA, I'M CONCERNED THAT THERE, THAT THERE MAY BE A FLOOD OF THESE THINGS AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER PLACES WHERE THERE MAY BE LOOPHOLES IN THE TOWN.

WELL, I'D ALSO HOPE THAT WE HAVE A LOCAL LAW IN PLACE.

I IMAGINE THE APPEAL TO THE ZONING BOARD IS GOING TO TAKE THREE MONTHS.

IT MAY TAKE TWO MONTHS, BUT MY GUESS IS IT'S GONNA TAKE THREE MONTHS.

I WOULD HOPE THERE'S A LOCAL LAW IN PLACE BY THE TIME THAT HAPPENS.

UH, BUT THE ZONING BOARD DOESN'T PROTECT ANYTHING.

BUT THE, BUT, BUT THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, FRANCIS, THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

THE, THE STAY IS NOT FOR ANY OTHER ZONE IN THE TOWN.

AND MY CONCERN, I MEAN, TRUTHFULLY, THE OBJECTIVE I BELIEVE IS TO GET THIS LAW WRITTEN AS QUICKLY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.

SO WE DON'T RUN INTO THIS PROBLEM, BUT MY CONCERN CONTINUES TO BE, UM, NOT KNOWING IF THERE ARE HOLES IN, YOU KNOW, CENTRAL.

I THINK WE DO HAVE THE ISSUE OF THE ACCESSORY USE FOR THIS PARTICULAR THING.

UM, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT, THAT DEFINITION TOO.

BUT IS IT TRUE ON ONE 19? IS IT TRUE ON NINE EIGHT? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT RIGHT NOW.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE MAY WANT ADDRESS THAT, UM, AS WE GO FORWARD, AS WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THIS LAW.

BECAUSE AS I SAID, I, I DON'T THINK THE C B A IS GONNA TAKE THAT LONG.

I REALLY DON'T.

BUT IF THEY, BUT IT'S IRRELEVANT.

IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T PROTECT ANYTHING BUT THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

SO THAT'S MY CONCERN OF HOW WE, HOW WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH THAT WHILE WE WRITE A LAW THAT MAKES SENSE.

WELL, PARTICULARLY RESIDENTIAL AREAS IS NOT A TRIVIAL THING.

, I DIDN'T SAY FRANCIS.

DON'T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH.

I NEVER SAID UNDERSTAND.

POSSIBLY CAN, AND THAT NOTHING GETS APPROVED UNTIL WE HAVE THAT LOCAL.

BUT THE, I, I WANT US TO FOCUS ON AND LIKE LATE, AND I WANNA MAKE IT VERY CLEAR, THE GOAL IS FOR US TO HAVE IN THE LOCAL LAW AS SOON AS WE

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HOWEVER, I, I DON'T WANT TO GET SIDETRACKED ON ANY OTHER ISSUE OTHER THAN I WOULD LIKE ACTUALLY, ONCE THE COMMITTEE IS FORMED TOMORROW NIGHT, UH, IF WE CAN MEET ON, UH, FRIDAY JUST TO, YOU KNOW, KICK OFF, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE WE GOING FROM HERE SO WE CAN START THE BALL ROLLING.

ABSOLUTELY.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

AND, AND, AND THE OTHER THING, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE FOCUS JUST ON STORAGE BATTERIES, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ISSUE IN FRONT OF US.

BUT IF SOMEHOW WE CAN DENOTE THAT, UH, THAT WE SOMEHOW LEGALLY SAY THAT WE ARE NOT, UH, UH, WILL NOT LOOK AT, UH, UH, WINDMILLS OR SOLAR PANELS UNTIL WE HAVE A LOT IN PLACE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THAT LEGALLY, BUT I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT WAY OF DOING IT.

SO WE CONCENTRATE ON THE ISSUE BEFORE US, AND WE DON'T MAKE THE SAME OR RUN INTO THE SAME DIFFICULTY WHEN IT COMES TO THESE OTHER ULTIMATE, UH, SOURCES OF ENERGY.

MEANS THE, THE ONE POINT I DO WANNA MAKE THOUGH IS YOU MAY HAVE AS MUCH OF AN IMPACT OR MORE OF AN IMPACT WHEN IT'S IN A COMMERCIAL ZONE, AS ON RESIDENTIAL HOUSING AS YOU DO IN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE, FOR EXAMPLE, BEHIND MIDWAY, YOU'RE ACTUALLY IMPACT, YOU'RE CLOSER TO ANY, MUCH CLOSER TO HOUSES OR, OR GREENVILLE, MUCH CLOSER TO RESIDENTIAL AREA THAN YOU ARE AT NO TO A HOUSE THAN RESIDE THAN YOU ARE AT NORWOOD, FOR EXAMPLE.

WHICH IS WHY I SAID WE GOTTA BE REAL CAREFUL AND AS LONG AS WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE IN AGREEING THAT WE NEED TO GET THIS LAW PLACE BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY OF THESE PROJECTS, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

UM, WHILE WE'RE WORKING ON THE BATTERIES.

, IF THAT'S THE POSITION OF THE SPORT.

AND JARED'S ALREADY WORKED UP FOUR TIER FOR CONSIDERATION INSTEAD OF THE TWO IN THE MODEL LAW, UH, WHICH WILL DEAL WITH A DIFFERENT ZONING.

BUT THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO, WE DON'T HAVE ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED MY CONCERNS.

AND, UH, I THINK BASED UPON THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

UH, FRANCIS, CAN I RAISE SOME ISSUES? UH, ACTUALLY IF YOU COULD FLIP UP THE RESOLUTION, THAT'D BE GOOD.

DID YOU HEAR? YEAH.

UM, THAT'S THE RESOLUTION.

, , UH, OKAY.

F UH, FIRST OF ALL, FRANCIS, UM, CAN I JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT? UH, I, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU ON CENTRAL AVENUE ABOUT THE, THE ISSUE THAT, UH, YOU AND HUGH WERE DISCUSSING ABOUT, IS IT PERMIT, IS THAT A PERMITTED USE IN THAT PARTICULAR ZONE, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN DEFINED OWNED BY ANYBODY? UM, I, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID.

THAT THERE'S A SERIOUS ISSUE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IF IT GOES BACK INTO GRID, THIS IS AN ACCESSORY USE.

UM, BUT I WOULD POINT OUT, AND I, AND I AGREE.

I'M SORRY.

I THINK YOU SAID THAT, AND I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID, THAT THAT PARTICULAR MIS MIXED USE DISTRICT SAYS IF IT AIN'T LISTED, YOU CAN'T DO IT.

UM, NOW I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THAT PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICT, UH, UH, CENTRAL AVENUE MIXED USE, UM, LIST A NUMBER ABOUT A DOZEN OF ANCILLARY USES.

IT DOESN'T JUST LIST PRINCIPAL USES.

IT ACTUALLY LISTS SPECIFIC ALLOWED ANCILLARY USES.

SO YOU HAVE THE, EVEN BEFORE YOU GET TO THE ISSUE OF WHETHER WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS AN ANCILLARY USE, EVEN IF HYPOTHETICALLY IT IS AN ANCILLARY USE, I, MY GUESS IS VERY FEW PEOPLE WOULD READ WHAT ARE THE LISTED ANCILLARY USES AND SAY STORING ENERGY AND BATTERIES IS AN ANCILLARY USE.

SO I THINK THAT ISSUE ALSO EXISTS WHEN THE, WHEN THE TOWN BOARD LISTED, YOU KNOW, 12 THINGS OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS AND DIDN'T LIST THIS ONE, UM, ON THE ISSUE OF WIND AND SOLAR, UM, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THE DISCUSSION THAT IT'S GOTTA GET FOCUSED ON.

AND I AGREE WITH THE DISCUSSION THAT IT'SS NOT, UM, IT'S, IT'S THE SECOND TIER.

AND I THIRDLY, I, I AGREE WITH THE CONCERN OF HOW DO WE PREVENT US GETTING FACED WITH A APPLICATION FOR WIND SOLAR,

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AND, AND I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND, ARE YOU, ARE YOU ARE TRADITIONAL WAY OF DOING THAT IS THE STOP MOR TURN SAYING WE'RE GONNA WORK ON WIND AND SOLAR AND HAVE A MORE TO FOR THEM.

BUT IF WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A MORE TERM ON WIND AND SOLAR, I DON'T THINK I COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN 'CAUSE I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND IT.

WE'RE GONNA, I'M HAPPY TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU ON FRIDAY IF WE NEED, BUT THIS IS REALLY ON WHETHER OR NOT WE CREATE THE COMMITTEE OR NOT.

IT'S NOT WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE A MORATORIUM.

UH, AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE I DON'T WANNA GET SIDETRACKED.

THIS IS CREATING THE COMMITTEE.

WELL LET, LET'S TALK, LET'S TALK ABOUT, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE COMMITTEE, BUT, BUT WE, WE, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A PLAN , WE CAN ADDRESS THAT AND UH, WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS IT WITH YOU.

WELL THIS, THIS IS, HERE'S HOW IT, IN MY MIND, YOU MAY DISAGREE HOW MY, IN MY MIND IT FEEDS INTO NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF A LOCAL LAW REGULATED.

IF, AS YOU SAID, WE WOULD DISCUSS WIND AND SOLAR ON FRIDAY, BUT, UM, THIS IS, SO THE COMMUNITY IS SOLELY FOCUSED ACCORDING TO THIS RE RESOLUTION ON BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE.

NO, WHAT I'M SUGGESTING YOU, UH, LET ME JUST INTERRUPT 'CAUSE UH, MAYBE I WASN'T CLEAR.

GARRETT HAS A, A FAIRLY QUICK FIX TO OUR CODE THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY PUSH FORWARD AS A LOCAL LAW, STANDALONE LOCAL LAW DOESN'T NEED A LOT OF DISCUSSION AMONG THE GROUP THAT WOULD THEN BUY US TIME, APPROPRIATE TIME TO GIVE THE FULL DELIBERATION THAT IS NECESSARY FOR THE, THE SOLAR FARMS AND THE TURBINES WHILE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

AND SO WHY DON'T YOU GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY JUST TO EXPLAIN IT.

IT'S NOT THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS TO TAKE THIS ON THE, THE SOLAR RIGHT NOW, BUT MAYBE NEXT YEAR, MAYBE THE END OF THE YEAR, MAYBE AFTER WE ADOPT THIS LOCAL LAW, BUT NOT NOW.

THE, UM, THAT PROCESS, I MEAN, THAT WAY OF ADDRESSING THE ISSUES PERSONALLY, I DUNNO WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK IS FINE WITH ME, BUT I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND IT WHEN YOU YOU SAID IT, BUT THAT, THAT KIND OF ENHANCED EXPLANATION.

I UNDERSTAND IT.

THE FINAL QUESTION I HAVE IS, IS IT CLEAR THAT THE COMMITTEE WILL HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO THE CONSULTANT? YES OR NO? AND IF SO, WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT? WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT'S BEING DIRECT ACCESS.

UH, WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER IT.

NO.

WOULD WE, WOULD WE, WOULD WE BE MEETING DIRECTLY IF THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO MEET WITH THE CONSULTANT, WOULD WE BE MEETING DIRECTLY WITH THE CONSULTANT OR WITH OUR, OR WITH THE COMMITTEE'S INPUT FROM THE CONSULTANT, BE GOING THROUGH SOMEONE ELSE AND THEN WE CONVEYED TO THE COMMITTEE? WOULD WE HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO THE CONSULTANT AT COMMITTEE MEETINGS? AT WHICH COMMITTEE MEMBERS COULD ASK THE CONSULTANT QUESTIONS? I, I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

GARRETT IS THE ONE THAT IS GOING TO BE BASICALLY STEERING THE SHIP AND IT WOULDN'T BE ANYBODY IN BETWEEN YOU AND GARRETT DEALING WITH THIS.

IT DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S NEGOTIATED WITH THE CONSULTANT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, YEAH.

HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT COUNCIL MACHINE IF I COULD.

AND THE INTER LAYERED AND INTERRELATED AS, AS WALTER, UH, GRODEN HAS POINTED OUT, UM, UM, ISSUES INVOLVED IN THIS.

I ULTIMATELY, WE JUST WANNA BE COST EFFECTIVE, RIGHT? UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE COMMITTEE SAID WE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED THIS CONSULTANT AT EVERY, YOU KNOW, MEETING, RIGHT? THAT'S GONNA DRIVE UP THE TAX, YOU KNOW, TAXPAYER COSTS AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD DEEM THAT WE WOULD DEEM THAT LIKELY UNREASONABLE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA SAY THAT IF THERE CAN BE A VERY CONCISE MEETING WITH THE CONSULTANT SO THAT WE CAN GET, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANT INFORMATION, UM, CERTAINLY OPEN TO THAT.

BUT WE JUST WANNA BE MINDFUL AND COST EFFICIENT.

WELL, LET, LET, OR LET ME, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT CAN'T BE A CLEAR YES THEN, UH, FRANCIS, BECAUSE BASED ON WHAT GARY SAID, BECAUSE, UM, HOW COULD THE COMMITTEE MAKE AN INTELLIGENT RECOMMENDATION WITHOUT DIRECT ACCESS? YOU, YOU JUST HEARD THE TECHNICAL ISSUES INVOLVED AND THE MULTIFACETED AND MULTI-LAYERED

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HOW COULD THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS BE REASONABLY EXPECTED TO MAKE AN INTELLIGENT RECOMMENDATION AND STAND BEHIND THAT RECOMMENDATION IF THEY DID NOT HAVE ACCESS DIRECTLY TO THE CONSULTANT? AND IT'S REALLY NOT A, UH, I DON'T THINK ANYONE, I MEAN, MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON ALL THE PEOPLE ON THIS COMMITTEE ARE TAXPAYERS.

UM, I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S TRYING TO DRIVE UP THE COST OF THIS, BUT IT, IT, IT, BUT WITHOUT FOUNDATION ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I CONFESS, I DON'T KNOW A DAMN THING ABOUT.

UM, AND THERE'S NO WAY I COULD BE USEFUL AND HELP AND HELP DEVELOP A LOCAL LAW.

CAN I SUGGEST A SOLUTION HERE? OKAY, SURE.

I I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF DEGREE.

I UNDERST I I, I'M SENSITIVE TO WHAT GAR SAYING IN THAT WE DON'T WANT INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS CALLING UP THE CONSULTANT BECAUSE HE CAN RUN UP A HUGE, HUGE BILL THERE.

AND I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT.

HOWEVER, I ALSO UNDERSTAND WHAT MIKE'S SAYING AND THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A SEANCE AS A GROUP WITH HIM.

WE'RE PREPARED.

IN FACT, WHAT WE COULD DO, IF HE REALLY WANTED TO DO THIS EFFICIENTLY, WE COULD HAVE A EITHER A, A SEANCE WITH ONLY OUR COMMITTEES OR I HAD THE TOWN BOARD THERE SO THEY'RE LEARNING AT THE SAME TIME.

WE ARE, OR, YOU KNOW, KNOW IT'S ZOOM.

IT COULD BE, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD COULD BE BE THERE ON THE CAC C THERE'S MAYBE TOO MANY.

BUT ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WE NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE, ONE DIRECT QUESTION OR ONE OR TWO DIRECT QUESTION OR ANSWERS WITH A CONSULTANT AS A GROUP.

NOT AS INDIVIDUALS.

AS INDIVIDUALS MAKES NO SENSE.

NO SENSE.

THAT'S WHY I SAID WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY DIRECT? OKAY.

DOES THAT HELP FRANCIS? DOES THAT HELP? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY THE IDEA IS IF, IF WE'RE DOING THAT AS A COMMITTEE, MATTER OF FACT, I THINK THE BEST THING, 'CAUSE FRANKLY THIS IS GONNA BE ON TAXPAYER DIME BECAUSE WE'RE DOING A LOCAL LAW, WE CAN'T ASK AN APPLICANT.

'CAUSE THIS APPLIES TO MORE THAN ONE PROJECT.

SO THIS IS ALL GOING TO BE ON, YOU KNOW, THE TAXPAYER'S DIME.

SO IF WE COULD POOL QUESTIONS DURING OUR, OUR, YOU KNOW, BACK AND FORTH AND DEVIL'S ADVOCATE AND ALL THIS OTHER KIND OF THING, AND COME UP WITH QUESTIONS SO THAT WHEN THE APPLICANT, OR WHEN THE CONSULTANT DOES COME IN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, RAPID FIRE, UH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

BUT IN, IN OTHER SITUATIONS, DIRECT ACCESS VENT, ANYBODY CAN CALL THEM AT ANY TIME.

AND HOURS, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME.

I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.

YEAH, WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.

I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.

WELL, FRANCIS, COULD YOU ADD THAT THE COMMITTEE AND AS A GROUP CAN HAVE APPROPRIATE DIRECT? WE TALK, THEY TALK, WE ASK QUESTIONS, THEY GIVE ANSWERS.

WE SAY, HUH, I'M SORRY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT YET.

COULD YOU DO, GO OVER IT AGAIN? COULD YOU WRITE SOMETHING THAT SAYS THE COMMITTEE AT A GROUP CAN HAVE DIRECT COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE EXPERT? 'CAUSE I DO NOT DO THAT BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE TO DEFINE DIRECT.

WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME TRUST IN GARRETT THAT HOW ABOUT REASONABLE, FOR INSTANCE, HOW ABOUT REASONABLE ACCESS OR, OR YOU SAY SOMETHING FROM TIME TO TIME THE COMMITTEE MIGHT REQUIRE TO HAVE A A, A MEETING WITH, UH, IN PERSON.

WELL, ZOOM MEETING, NO, BUT, UH, IN-PERSON MEETING WITH A CONSULTANT, THAT'S ALL.

FRANCIS, I THINK YOU'RE RAISING, UH, UM, RED HERRINGS THAT DON'T EXIST.

YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE ON THE COMMITTEE.

ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THEY'RE GONNA GO BEHIND GARRETT'S BACK, OR ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING APPOINTED BY THE TOWN BOARD THAT YOU'VE KNOWN FOR DECADES ARE GOING TO DO THE, THE, THE FEARS THAT YOU'VE RAISED? I, I DON'T SEE WHY YOU CAN'T SAY WHAT WALTER SAID.

I DON'T THINK THESE ARE PROBLEMS FOR THE TECH.

I THINK THE SUGGESTION, IT'S NOT SOMETHING NORMALLY PUT INTO A RESOLUTION WORKING WITH A CONSULTANT AND YOU ARE WORKING WITH A CONSULTANT, AND WE'VE JUST SAID THAT THERE WILL BE A MEETING WHERE YOU'LL DIRECTLY IN INTERACT WITH THE CONSULTANT.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU NEED THAT IN WRITING AS IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

WHY DOES IT HURT YOU IF, WHY DO YOU HURT YOU? IF YOU DO WHAT WALTER SAID? WHY DO YOU NEED IT? WELL, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT

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WE, WE NEED TO MOVE ON.

I MEAN, THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING THAT I CAN SAY BECAUSE I'VE BEEN QUIET IS, YOU KNOW, MY FEELING IS THAT ONE OF THE, THE PURPOSES OF THIS COMMITTEE, AND ONE OF THE REASONS I I FELT STRONGLY ABOUT THE COMMITTEE IS WE WANNA BUILD TRUST AMONG THE COMMUNITY.

THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO, UH, THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S BEING USED ALL OVER THE WORLD.

UH, YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNOR SAID IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN ALL OVER, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF SKEPTICISM.

UH, SOME PEOPLE ARE CONS.

UH, THERE'S A LITTLE FEAR BECAUSE PEOPLE REALLY ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE TECHNOLOGY.

SO MY FEELING IS THAT IF THE WORDING OF THE RESOLUTION WOULD SAY THE COMMITTEE WILL MEET FROM TIME TO TIME WITH THE CONSULTANT WHEN APPROPRIATE FROM TIME TO TIME WITH THE CONSULTANT, DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING.

UH, WE WE'RE GONNA DO IT ANYWAY.

IF IT MAKES PEOPLE FEEL BETTER ABOUT THE PROCESS AND IT WILL MAKE PEOPLE HAVE MORE CONFIDENCE, AND THAT WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER TO TRY COMING UP WITH THE BEST, UM, YOU KNOW, POSSIBILITIES.

I DON'T SEE REALLY A BIG DEAL DEAL ABOUT IT.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOBODY, IT IS GONNA HAPPEN ANYWAY.

THROW IT IN, GIVE THEM, UH, GIVE THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, SHOW OKAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUTTING THAT IN.

THEY'LL BE HAPPIER.

UH, AND THEN WE COULD ALL WORK TOGETHER, UH, TO COME UP WITH A LAW THAT IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, GREAT FOR THE TOWN.

BECAUSE MY GUT FEELING IS, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE ONE OF THE EASIEST END USE ISSUES TO RESOLVE.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT PROBABLY 99% OF US ARE PRETTY MUCH IN AGREEMENT AS TO WHAT, YOU KNOW, IS GONNA LAND UP BEING RECOMMENDED.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE THIS BEING THAT REALLY THAT CONTROVERSIAL.

IT, IT'S, IT'S GOING, IT'S NOT GONNA BE AS EASY, YOU THINK IF THERE'S NOT EVEN TRUST THAT WE WILL HAVE THE KEY, THE CONSULTANT WORKING WITH THE GROUP AT A MEETING.

MAJORITY, MAJORITY OF THIS COMMITTEE, VERY OPTIMISTIC.

THE MAJORITY OF THIS COMMITTEE REALLY LIKE TO MOVE THE AGENDA.

NO, I, THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.

I'M SORRY, FRANCIS.

I, I THINK YOU HAVE, LISTEN PLEASE, TO WHAT THE COMMITTEE AND WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE SAYING.

YOU, YOU SEEM TO BE A MINORITY OF WARREN ON THIS.

I'M SORRY, I CUT SOMEBODY OFF.

I, I DON'T KNOW WHO I CUT OFF.

GO AHEAD, MICHAEL.

GO AHEAD.

I'M JUST SO CONFUSED.

I'M JUST SO CONFUSED WHAT THE ISSUE IS.

AND WHEN I SAY AND, AND I, IF YOU HAVE DIRECT, IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE CONSULTANT AND YOU HAVE GARRETT, AND WE'RE ALL, JUST LIKE EVERYONE SAYS, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER FOR YEARS AND WE ALL TRUST EACH OTHER.

WHAT IS THE ISSUE, MIKE? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

WELL, IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT WE I TO BE WRITING'S NOT, I MEAN, WE, IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DOING THESE COMMITTEES FOR A WHILE NOW.

I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY, WHY IT'S IMPORTANT.

GINA IS THIS, I DON'T KNOW.

AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE ON THE COMMITTEE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.

IF WE DON'T HAVE DIRECT ACCESS AS A GROUP FROM TIME TO TIME WITH THE CONSULTANT, THERE IS NO WAY WE WILL HAVE A KNOWLEDGE BASE TO BE HELPFUL.

SO WOULDN'T THAT BE THE COMMUNICATIONS WHEN YOU MEET? WOULDN'T THAT BE THE DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU HAVE TO LEARN FROM WHAT YOU, FROM WHAT YOU MEET WHEN YOU TALK WITH THE COMMITTEE, WHEN MEAN, WHEN YOU TALK WITH THE CONSULTANT? WELL, THAT'S THE PART WE WOULD LIKE, SAY .

IT'S A MEETING AS A GROUP WITH, WITH GARRETT.

GARRETT PRESENT AND WITH TWO TOWN BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT.

SO IT'S, IT'S STILL A GROUP.

SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY, DANA, WHAT HAPPENED AND ALL.

LET ME EXPLAIN.

I THINK WHAT HAPPENED, OKAY.

IT WAS THE WAY THE RESOLUTION, THE THIS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AGENDA, AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS MEANT THIS WAY.

UH, I, I THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

OKAY? AND THIS IS PUBLIC RECORD, YOU KNOW, THIS IS BEING RECORDED.

SO THEY, THE TAB BOARDS MADE THE COMMITMENT, THE CONSULTANT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ACCESS TO THE CONSULTANT.

SO I'M FINE WITH WHETHER IT'S IN, IN WRITING OR NOT AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE IT IS A, A COMMITMENT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IF THAT'S THE WAY IT'S VOTED.

THE PROBLEM WAS THE WAY THE AGENDA WAS WRITTEN, IT TALKED ABOUT THE CONSULTANT AND DID NOT TALK ABOUT IT, TALKED ABOUT THE CONSULTANT AND THE TOWN BOARD.

IT NEVER REALLY TALKED ABOUT IT WITH THE COMMITTEE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE WAY, WAY, WAY IT WAS WRITTEN, IT JUST COULD HAVE BEEN WRITTEN A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

IT'S, I THINK, YOU KNOW, LOOK, WE HAD A FANTA I THINK WE ALL DID A, WE HAD A GREAT, AND IT WAS CONTROVERSIAL AS FRANCIS WELL KNOWS, WHEN WE DID THE C C F, THERE WERE PEOPLE AT EACH OTHER'S THROATS WHEN THAT THING STARTED.

OKAY? AND BY THE END, WE CAME UP WITH A GREAT LAW.

WE HAD TO CONVINCE CERTAIN PEOPLE WHO WERE CURRENTLY IN THE LEFT HAND.

QUARTER OF MY SCREAM THOUGH, UM, BOB BERNSTEIN CAME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT NONE OF US BELIEVED WE'D EVER GET THROUGH.

AND IT TURNED OUT WE COULD, AND WE ENDED UP WITH A LAW, NOT A LAW THAT WORKED.

I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT WE CAN DO THE SAME THING HERE.

WE'VE GOT AN EXPERIENCED GROUP OF PEOPLE, BUT I THINK WHAT MIKE IS UNDERSCORING, IT'S REALLY

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IMPORTANT.

THIS LAW ONLY HAPPENS IF WE HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF THAT EXPERT.

THIS GROUP HAS A KNOWLEDGE OF THE EXPERT.

I, I THINK THAT'S THE POINT TO BE MADE.

AND IF I'M, UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN, THE TOWN BOARD HAS COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE WE HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE.

I CORRECT IN THAT.

YOU ARE.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

ALRIGHT, LET ME GO THEN TO THE FINAL POINT I HAD OF WHICH IS, LET ME USE AN EXAMPLE.

THE INSURANCE COMMITTEE.

INSURANCE COMMITTEE THAT I WORKED ON WITH OUR KAPLAN AND UM, UM, CHRISTINA, UH, HANSBURY FOR MONTHS, WE MADE FIVE WRITTEN REPORTS TO THE TOWN BOARD.

WE DID NOT MAKE, THAT'S WHO WE GAVE OUR REPORTS TO.

NOW, IS THIS COMMITTEE NOT COMMITTED TO MAKE REPORTS TO THE TOWN BOARD? BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT REPORTING TO THE TOWN BOARDS.

THE WORD FRAN, THE WORDS FRANCIS IS USED WAS TO COME UP WITH A LOCAL LAW TO PRESENT TO THE TOWN BOARD.

WELL, CAN THE COMMITTEE MAKE A REPORT TO THE TOWN BOARD? WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT? YEAH, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT WE CAN MAKE A REPORT TO THE TOWN BOARD.

AND SO IN OTHER WORDS, SO CAN IT BE, IF YOU FLIP BACK UP AT THE SCREEN FOR ONE SECOND, FRANCIS, CAN YOU ADD THE WORDS AND THE TOWN BOARD? THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

IT DOESN'T SAY IT.

CAN YOU ADD THE WORDS? IT'S NOT THERE FOR A REASON.

WE HAVE A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER ON STAFF TO HAVE THE PROFESSIONAL PLANNER WORKING ON A LOCAL LAW AND HAVING A GROUP, A COMMITTEE, WORKING ON A SEPARATE LOCAL LAW, BOTH THEN PRESENTING THEM AT SOME POINT TO THE TOWN BOARD.

AND WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHICH ONE IS BETTER.

MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.

THIS IS WRITTEN, I REALLY DON'T WANNA SPEND MUCH MORE TIME ON THIS.

YOU KNOW, HAVING THEM REPORT YOU TO THE TOWN BOARD, BUT I ALSO FEEL THAT IT DOES, IF YOU READ THE RESOLUTION, THERE'S TWO MEMBERS OF THE TOWN BOARD WHO ARE LIAISONS, UM, TO, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THE COMMITTEE.

BUT TO, TO STATE THAT YOU WANT TO BYPASS OUR PLANNER SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE YOUR REPORTS DIRECTLY TO THE TOWN BOARD AS OPPOSED TO THROUGH OUR PLANNER AND HAVE ONE UNIFIED LOCAL LAW COMING TO THE TOWN BOARD FOR US TO ADOPT IS ANOTHER WAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO SLOW DOWN THIS PROCESS AND NOT HAVE A LOCAL LAW.

BECAUSE WHEN IT GETS TWO LOCAL LAWS GET TO THE TOWN BOARD, WE NOW HAVE TO DECIDE WHICH ONE DO WE DO.

AND THAT'S GONNA BE EVEN MORE CONTROVERSY.

WELL, BUT WAIT MINUTE, LEMME INTERJECT AT THIS POINT, THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE SAYING HERE.

BECAUSE IF WE GO BACK IN THE, WHEREAS, UH, THE COMMISSIONER IS THE CHAIR, IF YOU WILL, OF THIS COMMITTEE, AND, AND THE COMMITTEE MAKES ONE, AND WE MAKE A REPORT THE SAME WAY.

IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THIS, THE, THE YEARS THAT WE SPENT ON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMITTEE, AND YOU WERE THE CHAIR OF THAT, YOU DIDN'T HAVE, WE CAME TOGETHER AS A GROUP AND WE CAME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION.

IF YOU WERE THE CHAIR, WE DISCUSSED IT, WE ALL AGREE ON THE RECOMMENDATION, AND THAT WAS REPORTED TO THE TOWN BOARD.

I SEE NO REASON WHY THIS SHOULD NOT ACT THE SAME WAY THE COMMISSIONER IS THE CHAIR AND WE AS THE COMMITTEE, AS A COMMITTEE TO COME UP WITH A, WITH A REPORT TO THE TOWN BOARD.

SO YOU, SO, UH, BY NO MEANS, OR AT LEAST I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULD GO AROUND THE COMMISSIONER, I SEE THAT IT SHOULD BE ONLY ONE.

SO I DON'T SEE A CONFLICT HERE.

DON'T SEE IT AT ALL.

SO, SO, SO I, I THINK THAT, UH, THE ARGUMENT THAT YOU ARE CREATING TWO COMMITTEES, UH, THAT'S NOT, AT LEAST THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.

WELL, WELL, AND I, AND I HOPE NOT, BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN AS PRESENTED TO ME, IS THAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD MAKE, WOULD MAKE A REPORT DIRECTLY TO THE TOWN BOARD, NOT TO THE COMMISSIONER.

WELL, LET'S FOCUS ON COMMISSIONER, CLARIFY.

LET'S FOCUS ON THE LINE, FRANK, YOU KNOW, FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, IF WE HA IF IF WE SHOULD HOLD THIS OVER TO TOMORROW NIGHT, THEN MAYBE WE SHOULD HOLD IT OVER.

BUT THAT BE A REAL SHAME.

BUT WE REALLY HAVE TO MOVE ON WITH OUR AGENDA.

WE HAVE MUCH MORE .

ONLY THING, WALTER, WE HAVE, WE HAVE HOURS TO DO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

LEMME, LEMME JUST ASK, UH, UH, THE ONLY OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, I, TO ME, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, BEFORE I WOULD SUPPORT, UM,

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SO IN EFFECT, THIS IS REALLY GONNA BE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TOWN BOARD.

UM, AND, UM, UM, AND THE COMMITTEE, ANYWAY, IT'S NOT REALLY THE WORDING BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU HAVE TWO LIAISONS FROM THE TOWN BOARD SERVING ON THIS COMMITTEE, AND YOU KNOW, BOTH OF THE LIAISONS, YOU KNOW, KEN AND FRANCIS ARE INTERESTED, YOU KNOW, IN THE ISSUE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD IS HEAVILY INVOLVED AND INVESTED IN, UM, THE SUCCESS OF THE COMMITTEE AND IS GONNA BE INVOLVED IN, UM, PARTICIPATING IN THE, THE RECOMMENDATION.

SO I, I SORT OF FEEL THAT I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS REALLY A JOINT, UH, PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITIZENS, UM, THE, UH, THE COMMITTEE, UM, AND, AND THE TOWN BOARD AND COMING UP WITH COMING UP WITH A LAW THAT REALLY MAKES, YOU KNOW, MAKES SENSE.

SO WHILE I WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS UP TO ME ALONE, I WOULD GO ALONG WITH, YOU KNOW, YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

I REALLY FEEL THAT IN PRACTICE, NOT, YOU KNOW, IN WORDING IN PRACTICE, WE'RE GONNA LAND UP DOING EVERYTHING THAT, UM, THAT, UM, THAT EVERYBODY BASICALLY WANTS, YOU KNOW, NO MATTER WHAT THE WORDING.

UM, ACTUALLY WE PROB HOPEFULLY WE WON'T DO ANYTHING EVERYBODY WANTS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'D END UP WITH.

I'M TALKING, I'M TALKING ABOUT IT'LL BE CONSENT, PAUL.

IT'LL BE CON I LOOK AGAIN, I THINK WE HAVE A MODEL COMMITTEE.

IT'LL GONNA BE A CONSENSUS COMMITTEE, RIGHT? I THINK WE HAVE A MODEL COMMITTEE THAT'S, I I REALLY FEEL THAT IF YOU, THE CCF WAS A MODEL FOR THIS, RIGHT? I REALLY FEEL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD, I USED TO HAVE DEPUTY SUPERVISORS FOR PROJECTS AND, AND YOU KNOW, I FELT THAT IT WAS EFFECTIVE.

THERE WERE TIMES, YOU KNOW, I HAD WORKED, UM, WITH THE POLISH CO CIVIC ASSOCIATION FOR YEARS ON LAND USE ISSUES AND WORK WITH THE FRANK'S NURSERY.

WE WORKED WITH, UH, DOREEN LIPSON'S NEIGHBORHOOD ON GETTING THE ASSISTED LIVING.

AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A WHOLE COMMUNITY INVOLVED IN THAT AND THAT WORK, WE'VE DONE IT EAST IRVINGTON WITH TECH, WITH AVALON, WE WORKED WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THAT, THAT WORKED.

SO I FEEL THAT, UM, IF EVERYBODY WOULD GIVE US A CHANCE TO, IT'S A FOUR MONTH COMMITTEE.

I, I'M WILLING TO BET, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, BET EVERY ANYTHING THAT THE COM THAT, THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WILL HAVE A GOOD LOCAL LAW THAT THE COMMUNITY WILL FEEL, UM, WAS RESPONSIVE TO THE CONCERNS.

AND, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FROM THERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE COULD ALSO WORK ON, UH, THE WIND AND THE SOLAR ISSUES THAT I THINK THAT, YEAH, LET'S, LET'S TAKE ONE STEP AT A TIME.

AS FRANCIS SAID, THE PRIORITY RIGHT NOW IS TO GET A BATTERY.

WELL, AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IF IT DOESN'T WORK, THEN WE COULD ALWAYS, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT? IF THERE'S PROBLEMS AND IT DOESN'T WORK, THEN WE COULD ALWAYS, UM, COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE WANNA MAKE A MODIFICATION.

JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE A RESOLUTION NOW DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T CHANGE LATER ON.

AND THE TIME BOARD, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE COMMITTEE TO THE, THOSE VOLUNTEERS APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND, UH, CAN'T WAIT TO MEET FRIDAY, POTENTIALLY.

C O TWO IS TO, UH, ISN'T SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN A SOURCE OF DISCUSSION FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME.

AND I THINK I WANNA THANK THE TOWN BOARD FOR, YOU KNOW, COMMITTING TO WHAT WILL BE HAPPENING, BECAUSE I THINK THE CONCERN, AND, YOU KNOW, I STILL THINK YOU MIGHT WANNA GO BACK AND WORDSMITH AND PUT SOME STUFF IN, BUT I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING, YOU ARE ON THE RECORD NOW AS TO HOW THIS WILL WORK, SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION, AND I THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

YEP, YEP.

I THINK IT'S GOOD.

FULL SPEED.

ED TB THREE, UH, THIS MAY GET HELD OVER, I'M NOT SURE YET WHERE IT'S, WHERE, UH, HAVING A QUESTION WAS ASKED THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING LAST TIME.

AND, UH, THE ASSESSOR IS TALKING WITH, UH, THE VILLAGE, UH, TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT PARTICULAR ANSWER.

WE HAVE A PROPERTY DAMAGE CLAIM, REGAINING OUTSIDE COUNSEL ATTACKER.

GARY, DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS COMING UP? SURE.

THIS IS FOR THE PROPOSED, UH, CONTINUUM OF CARE FACILITY AT DOBBS FERRY ROAD.

WE HAD JUST REFERENCED IT A MOMENT EARLIER.

AND, UM, UH, AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS ISSUED A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE, UH, SPECIAL PERMIT AND AMENDED SITE PLAN, UH, ASPECT OF THE PROPOSAL.

AND, UH, THIS WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR BOTH OF THOSE, UH, APPLICATIONS.

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UH, CHAPTER 3 73, THE HOTELS, MOTEL ROOMING HOUSES.

YOU'D BE AMAZED AT WHAT IS IN THAT CODE.

IT IS OBOLE, IT'S ABSURD.

UH, IT'S GOTTA GO.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT, OKAY, YOU'RE UP AGAIN, ERIC.

UM, SO CD ONE IS A SECRET DETERMINATION FOR THE HILLSIDE AVENUE SIDEWALK.

WE HAVE AN INDEPENDENT, UM, UH, CONSULTANT WORKING FOR US.

IT'S THROUGH THE, UH, NEW YORK, THE TAP PROGRAM, TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES PROGRAM.

SO THIS IS A, A, A $1 MILLION GRANT THAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING.

AND, UM, WE, AT THIS POINT, WE'VE MET WITH RESIDENTS.

WE HAD AN INFORMATIONAL ZOOM MEETING.

IT'S VERY, VERY, UH, WELL ATTENDED.

AND, UM, THE DESIGN IS, IS WELL ALONG, AND WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THE SIDEWALK, UH, NOT, NOT ONLY WILL NOT HAVE NEGATIVE IMPACTS, WE KNOW, UH, OF COURSE, THAT IT'S GONNA BE A POSITIVE, UH, PROJECT FOR THE COMMUNITY.

SO THIS IS THE, UH, SEEKER DETERMINATION.

AND JUST QUICKLY, UH, THE, THE, THE TRACK THAT THIS PROJECT IS ON IS FOR A 2022 BUILD, AND IT'S A SIDEWALK EXTENDING ON HILLSIDE AVENUE FROM TOWN HALL NORTH TO NORTH ROAD.

THAT'S GREAT.

THAT IS SO EXCITING.

AND YOU'VE DONE AN AMAZING JOB ON THAT.

VERY EXCITING PROJECT.

YEAH, I THINK THIS IS A, A, THE SIDEWALKS, THIS IS THE MOST EXCITING, ONE OF THE MOST EXCITING SIDEWALKS THAT WE'VE, UH, UM, WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN.

AND, UM, I THINK THIS IS REALLY GONNA HAVE SUCH AN ENORMOUS POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE WHOLE, UH, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU.

YOU KNOW, WITHOUT YOUR EFFORTS, IT NEVER WOULD'VE HAPPENED.

, UH, ANOTHER EXCITING PROJECT, UM, AGAIN, A GRANT, UH, ODELL HOUSE.

UH, THIS IS WITH STABILIZATION, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS SHORING.

SO AT THIS POINT, UM, THERE'S BEEN AN ARCHITECT ON BOARD STEVE UTILITY ARCHITECTS, AND THEY'VE DRAWN UP PLANS TO STABILIZE THE HOUSE FOR, UM, THE DURATION OF THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION PROJECT THAT WILL, UH, ENSUE, UH, ULTIMATELY, UH, AND OBVIOUSLY BRING THAT, THAT HOUSE BACK TO RESTORATION, UH, AND RESTORE THE ODELL HOUSE.

SO, UH, THIS IS FOR THE SHORING CONTRACT, AND, UM, WE WOULD HOPE THAT THAT WORK COMMENCES PERHAPS EVEN, UH, IN THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY.

SO, UM, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE, IN THE, IN THE TRUE RESTORATION OF THE HOUSE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN BOARD'S BEEN SO SUPPORTIVE SINCE THE TOWN, UH, TOOK POSSESSION OF, OF ODELL HOUSE, AND, UM, JUST A LOT OF POSITIVE MOMENTUM.

THERE'S, UM, AN ODELL HOUSE RESTORATION GROUP LED BY SUSAN SEALE, WHO'S BEEN INSTRUMENTAL, UM, IN, IN ADVOCATING FOR ODELL HOUSE.

AND, UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A WONDERFUL PROJECT.

GLAD TO BE A PART OF IT.

NOW, WE HAD GOTTEN SOME GRANTS, UH, LIKE A YEAR AGO, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO THIS IS, UM, PART OF THE $1.2 MILLION, UH, PHASE ONE RESTORATION.

THERE WAS $600,000 GRANT FROM, UH, NEW YORK STATE THAT, THAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING HERE.

THIS IS ALSO EXCITING.

AND ANOTHER THING THAT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED WITHOUT YOUR HELP, SO I'M TRYING TO MAKE UP FOR ALL THE EMAILS I SEND YOU BY PRAISING YOU.

NOW WE HAVE, UH, SOME BUDGET TRANSFERS, AND UNFORTUNATELY, I DIDN'T PICK 'EM UP, UH, PULLED 'EM UP BEFORE I STARTED TO SCREEN SHARE, SO I CAN'T DO IT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE CAN DO THAT TOMORROW.

UH, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO, UH, WE HAVE, UH, UH, ISSUANCE OF, UH, BONDS MARKS, JERRY.

SURE.

UH, WE HAVE A, UH, RESOLUTION, UH, AUTHORIZED MATAN OF GREENBERG TO ALLOW THE NEW YORK NEW JERSEY TRAIL CONFERENCE TO TREAT INVASIVE SPECIES IN THE, UH, DESIGNATED AREAS ON THE HARTSBURG PARK AND PRESERVE.

THAT'S AN AREA WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF LOGS OVER THE YEARS THAT WERE JUST BEING USED AS A, UH, DUMPING GROUND THAT HAPPENED BEFORE WE, UH, PURCHASED A PROPERTY.

WE CLEARED IT.

AND NOW, SINCE THAT TIME, THERE'S SOME OTHER INVASIVE, UH, SPECIES.

THEY'RE COMING THERE AND, UH, GIVE A, A TREATMENT FOR IT, I THINK, UH, ONCE A YEAR, I THINK FOR THE NEXT, UH, THREE YEARS.

AND, UH, UH, THEY'RE DOING THIS AT, UH, NO COST TO THE TOWN, BUT THE ONLY RESPONSIBILITY IS THAT AS WE OVERLOOK THE PROGRAM WITH THEM, UH, THAT WE WAIVE LIABILITY.

IT'S BASICALLY VOLUNTEERS COMING ON THE PROPERTY.

AND, UH, WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE GREENBERG SCHOOL DISTRICT REGARDING THE PLAYGROUND AND

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DEMONSTRATION.

YES, THIS IS THE PROJECT THAT, UH, HAS BEEN TALKED AROUND FOR, UH, UH, NUMEROUS YEARS.

UH, THE GREENBERG SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS ALREADY EXECUTED THE AGREEMENT.

UH, EARLIER, UH, THIS MONTH, UH, THE PARK AND REC ADVISORY BOARD RECOMMENDED THAT WE RELEASE $75,000 OF PARKLAND FUNDS.

UH, LAST WEDNESDAY I MET WITH THE PLANNING BOARD AND PRESENTED THIS PROPOSAL OF RELEASING $75,000, UH, FOR BUILDING A PLAYGROUND ON SURPLUS SURPLUS SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTY.

UH, THEY PASSED A, UH, UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION, AND NOW IT'S BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD, UH, TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE AGREEMENT AND AT THE SAME TIME, UH, RELEASE $75,000 OF PARKLAND FUNDS.

I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT THIS PLAYGROUND WILL BE, UH, ON SURPLUS SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTY, WHICH IS BASICALLY A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, AGING PLAYGROUND THEY HAVE THERE.

UH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS ALREADY COMMITTED, UH, A MINIMUM OF $75,000, AND I THINK IT MAY GO ALL THE WAY UP TO, UH, 90 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN ADDITION TO OUR $75,000.

THIS IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF DOING A LOT OF WORK NEGOTIATING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND THEN THE APPROVAL BECOMES FAIRLY QUICK RIGHT AFTER THAT.

BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK THAT WENT INTO THAT TO MAKE IT SO THAT IT WAS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF HEALTH FIRMS. UH, PUBLIC WORKS.

RICH, I'M HERE.

SO THE PW ONE IS A RESOLUTION, UH, BASICALLY GOING BACK TO AN AGREEMENT WITH REF TEIS FINANCIAL CONSULTANTS.

A AS YOU REMEMBER, YEARS BACK, THEY DID, UH, THROUGH THE WATER ADVISORY BOARD, A REAL LOOK AT THE, UH, FUTURE PROJECTIONS THAT THE WATER SHOP IS GOING TO NEED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.

AND, UH, THE ADVISORY BOARD, ALONG WITH THE, A LOT OF HELP FROM ROBERTA ROMANO, WHO'S BEEN REALLY FANTASTIC WITH HELPING US OUT.

UH, WE DECIDED THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THEM TO RE-LOOK AT EVERYTHING.

UM, AND THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THAT PROJECT.

AND EXCELLENT.

NUMBER TWO IS, AGAIN, BACK TO THE ROMBERG KNOLLWOOD TRANSMISSION MAIN PROJECT.

UH, THIS IS A PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH N I C SYSTEMS CORP.

THEY DO ALL OUR CONTROL WORK.

UM, AND THIS IS FOR THE, THE, UH, HUGE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT.

I THINK COUNCIL MACHINE POINTED OUT SOME, SOME, UM, WEEKS BACK WHERE WE'RE CONNECTING THE TWO PUMP STATIONS.

SO THIS IS, SO THAT, AGAIN, EVERYTHING TALKS TO EACH OTHER IN A, AS A MATTER OF FACT, I BELIEVE IT STAYED THE BIGGEST INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT THAT THE TOWN HAS EVER ENGAGED IN, OTHER THAN I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU BUILDING, BUILDING THE TOWN, .

UH, PUBLIC WASTE NUMBER THREE.

THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF OUR, UH, REBUILDING OF THE H V A C SYSTEM AT TOWN HALL, WHICH ANYBODY WHO'S BEEN HERE OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS SEEN THE FAILURES OF IT.

WE ARE CONTINUING TO GO ON WITH O L A AS THEY HAVE INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE OF THE SYSTEM.

SYSTEM.

AND THIS IS, UH, FOR A LOT OF THE CONTROLS AND THE PHASE TWO OF THE PROJECT.

WILL THIS, UH, HELP ENSURE THAT THE SYSTEM WILL BE ABLE TO HANDLE AT LEAST, UH, MERV 13 FILTERS THAT, YEAH.

SO MIKE BRODER, WHO, UH, YOU ALL KNOW, HAS BEEN PUTTING THOSE FILTERS IN, UH, THROUGHOUT ALL OUR BUILDINGS, HE'S BEEN UPGRADING AND PUBLIC WORKS.

NUMBER FOUR IS, UH, CONTINUATION WITH LAW THROOP ASSOCIATES.

THIS IS FOR THE PROPOSED NEW POLICE AND COURT FACILITY.

UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY WALK WORKING THROUGH THE PLANS TO NOW VALUE ENGINEER IT OR BRING THE COST DOWN, UM, WHICH IS GONNA REQUIRE ADDITIONAL WORK BY LAW.

THROOP VALUE ENGINEERING IS ALWAYS A WONDERFUL TERM.

IT MAKES, BASICALLY MEANS CUT, CUTTING THINGS OUTTA THE .

IT SOUNDS SO NICE.

VALUE OF ENGINEERING.

WELL, KEN JONES HAS BEEN AT THESE MEETINGS.

HE'S, UH, BEEN INTIMATELY INVOLVED.

IT'S QUITE A PROCESS.

, THAT IS THE AGENDA.

NOW WE HAVE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS.

AND WE ALSO NEED SOME LEGAL ADVICE ABOUT SOME CONTRACTS.

EVERYONE, I ALSO, UH, MOVE REGARD TO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSES OF, UH, DISCUSSING, UH, PERSONNEL MATTERS AND CONTRACTUAL ISSUES AND LEGAL ISSUES.

AND, AND,

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UM, SECOND.

NO, ONE SECOND.

SO I GUESS WE COULD LEAVE.

I DID, THERE WERE TWO SECONDS FIRST THEN, THEN FRANCE IS SECOND.

LET GINA HAVE THIS SECOND.

LISTEN, WHATEVER WORKS.

WHATEVER WORKS.

HOW ABOUT VOTING? AYE.

AND, UM, BYE EVERYONE.

WE'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW EVENING AND WE'LL NOT BE COMING BACK.

WE'LL BE BACK.

BYE-BYE.

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WE ARE WELCOME.

TARA GREENBERG TOWN BOARD MEETING.

TODAY IS, UH, JANUARY 26TH.

IT'S 6:07 PM AND, UM, WE'RE GONNA START, UM, WITH A MOTION FOR A VERY QUICK EXECUTIVE SESSION, UM, TO INTERVIEW SOMEBODY FOR A COMMITTEE.

IT IS JUST GONNA TAKE A FEW MINUTES.

YOU'RE MAKING THAT MOTION? I'M MAKING THE MOTION.

SECOND.

AND WE WILL BE COMING BACK VERY SHORTLY AND THIS WON'T BE ONE.

GO AHEAD.

SO WE'RE BACK AT THE BOARD MEETING AND WE HAVE SOME EXCITING NEWS.

UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK MARK WEIN GARDEN TO TELL US WHAT REGENERON WANTS, UH, DO.

CAMPUS ITSELF, NOT, NOT INCLUDING LOOP ROAD, WAS ACQUIRED BY, UH, REGENERON IN A TRANSACTION IN MARCH OF 2017.

GOOD EVENING, MR. SUPERVISOR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

MY NAME IS MARK WEINGARTEN.

I'M A PARTNER IN THE LAW FIRM OF DELBELLO DANNEL, WEINGARTEN WISE AND WHITAKER.

AND IS IT INDEED MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING? REPRESENTING REGENERON INC.

IN CONNECTION WITH ITS SOON TO BE FILED REQUEST FOR AMENDED SITE PLAN, WETLANDS, STEEP SLOPES, AND TREE REMOVAL APPROVALS, AS WELL AS CERTAIN AREA S RELATING TO, UH, F A R AND REAR YARDS TO PERMIT THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN APPROXIMATELY 207,000 SQUARE FOOT LABORATORY BUILDING LOCATED ON PARCEL D OF THE REGENERON CAMPUS.

LOCATED AT 7 7 7 OLD SAWMILL RIVER ROAD IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.

THE ENTIRE CAMPUS, AS YOU KNOW, IS APPROXIMATELY 250 ACRES, INCLUDING APPROXIMATELY 70 IN THE TOWN OF MOUNT PLEASANT.

I MENTIONED THAT THIS APPLICATION IS SOON TO BE FILED.

WE REQUESTED THIS APPEARANCE TO SHARE WITH YOU OUR PLANS AND TO RECEIVE HIGH LEVEL COMMENTS FROM YOUR BOARD PRIOR TO FILING IN THE EVENT THERE WERE SUGGESTIONS OR CONCERNS WHICH WE COULD RESPOND TO BEFORE FINALIZING OUR PLANS.

SO WE'LL USE OUR TIME TO PRESENT THE PROPOSED PLAN AND LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR FEEDBACK TO HELP US FINALIZE OUR SUBMISSION.

AS YOU WERE WELL AWARE, REGENERON IS A WORLDWIDE LEADER IN BIOTECHNOLOGY, WHICH INVENTS LIFE TRANSFORMING MEDICINES FOR PEOPLE WITH SERIOUS ILLNESSES, FOUNDED OVER 30 YEARS AGO AND LED BY WESTCHESTER RESIDENTS.

REGENERON IS HEADQUARTERED IN GREENBURG AND HAS CONSISTENTLY TRANSLATED SCIENCE INTO MEDICINE, WHICH HAS LED TO EIGHT F D A APPROVED TREATMENTS AND PRODUCTS, ALL HOMEGROWN IN ITS OWN LABS.

REGENERON WAS RECENTLY IN THE NATIONAL SPOTLIGHT WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS INFECTED WITH COR CORONAVIRUS.

THE DOCTORS AT WALTER REED HOSPITAL PRESCRIBED THE COURSE OF TREATMENT, WHICH INCLUDED THE REGENERON MONOCLONAL ANTIBODY TREATMENT.

THIS TREATMENT, AGAIN, WAS THE SUBJECT OF EXCITING STUDIES, WHICH WERE REPORTED TODAY IN THE NEWSPAPERS.

UH, REGENERON IS SIMPLY AT THE CUTTING EDGE, AND WE ARE PROUD THAT THE COMPANY IS HEADQUARTERED AND LOCATED HERE.

THE WESTCHESTER CAMP CAMPUS CURRENTLY EMPLOYS OVER 3000 PEOPLE.

I'M JOINED TONIGHT BY A SLEW OF PEOPLE.

I WILL INTRODUCE THOSE THAT YOU'LL HEAR FROM IN A MOMENT.

UH, YOU'LL HEAR FROM GEORGE POTH, OUR VICE PRESIDENT OF REAL ESTATE AND FACILITIES MANAGEMENT, WHO YOU ALL KNOW FROM, UH, OUR PREVIOUS, UH, UH, WORK BEFORE YOU ON THE LOOP ROAD PROJECT.

AND YOU'LL ALSO HEAR FROM STEVEN SPINA, WHO'S OUR ENGINEER FROM, UH, J M C, REPRESENTING J M C, WHO'S THE PROJECT MANAGER.

THERE ARE A HOST OF OTHERS, ARCHITECTS, REGENERON EMPLOYEES, AND OF COURSE, MY PARTNER, JANET GARRIS, THAT IS ALSO, UH, JOINING US THIS EVENING.

AND, AND IS THERE, UH, SO THIS FIRST, UH, SLIDE IS THE REGENERON CAMPUS.

YOU ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH IT.

UH, I DON'T HAVE AN INDICATOR, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, TO THE LEFT OF THE, THE RED AREA, YOU HAVE, UH, OLD SAWMILL RIVER ROAD THAT BISECTS THE CAMPUS.

UH, TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT IS, UH, MOUNT PLEASANT.

AND TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT IS THE GREENBERG PORTION OF THE CAMPUS.

ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT IS THE LOOP ROAD, UH, IS THE LOOP ROAD AREA THAT WE'LL BE REFERRING TO.

UH, THE, UH, THE

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THE GREENBERG PROPERTY, UH, THE LOOP ROAD HOLDINGS, WE'LL START WITH THAT, WHICH IS ALL THE WAY TO THE SOUTH TO THE RIGHT, UH, IS ZONED P E D.

IT IS NOT THE SUBJECT OF THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, BUT YOU'LL RECALL THAT BACK IN 2015, WE RECEIVED APPROVALS, SITE PLAN, SUBDIVISION, WETLAND, STEEP SLOPES, AND TREE REMOVAL PERMITS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF 1 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT FACILITIES.

THE FRONT PORTION OF THE GREENBERG SITE, UH, IN BETWEEN MOUNT PLEASANT, THE MOUNT PLEASANT, OR THE OLDS SOIL MILL RIVER ROAD, UH, AND THE, UH, LOOP ROAD IS APPROXIMATELY 65 AND A HALF ACRES.

IT'S LOCATED IN THE OFFICE BUILDING DISTRICT OF THE TOWN.

IT'S CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH THREE BUILDINGS.

IT CONTAINS APPROXIMATELY 360,000 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING.

WE REFER TO THEM AS BUILDING BUILDINGS, A, B, AND C.

YOU CAN SEE, UH, HOPEFULLY THE, THE IN SMALL PRINT PARCEL A, PARCEL B, AND PARCEL C, THAT THE CURSOR IS GOING AROUND.

UH, AND THEN FINALLY IN THE RED, WE HAVE PARCEL D, WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION.

THAT APPROVAL WAS FOR 128,500 SQUARE FEET, PLUS A PENTHOUSE, A FOUR STORY BUILDING WITH OFF STREET PARKING, LANDSCAPING, AND RELATED AMENITIES FOR AN R AND D AND OFFICE BUILDING.

SO 128,000 PLUS PENTHOUSE BUILDING.

UH, THEY RECEIVED THEIR SLEEP SLOPE AND WETLAND PERMIT APPROVALS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD IN NOVEMBER OF 2014.

THE PROPOSED PLAN THAT WE HAVE THAT WE'RE SHARING WITH YOU THIS EVENING IS TO BUILD ON THAT ORIGINAL APPROVAL FROM PARCEL DATE.

UH, AND AS YOU CAN SEE IT NOW IN A, IN A, IN A, IN A MORE, UH, WIDER SCREEN.

UH, AND YOU COULD, YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT THE P M P D BUILDING THAT WE'RE ADDING TO PARCEL D UH, AS YOU, AS I MENTIONED, WE HAD 128,000 SQUARE FOOT FOUR STORY R AND D OFFICE BUILDING WITH AN ENCLOSED MECHANICAL PENTHOUSE COVERING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE ROOF APPROVED BACK IN 2014.

WE WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THAT PLAN TO A 207,000 SQUARE FOOT, TWO STORY R AND D BUILDING WITH ENCLOSED MECHANICAL PENTHOUSE COVERING ONLY 71% OF THE ROOFTOP.

SO, GEORGE, YOU WANNA TAKE IT FROM THERE? SURE WILL.

THANK YOU, MARK.

AND GOOD EVENING.

UH, FOR THE RECORD, UH, MY NAME IS GEORGE POTH.

I AM VICE PRESIDENT OF REAL ESTATE AND FACILITIES MANAGEMENT AT REGENERON PHARMACEUTICALS, UH, LOCATED, UH, HERE IN GREENBURG.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, THANK YOU FOR LETTING US SHARE 15 OR 20 MINUTES WITH YOU THIS EVENING, AND IT IS SO GREAT TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN.

IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD, AND, UH, IT'S, I'M HOPING THAT EVERYONE IS, IS CERTAINLY STAYING SAFE AND HEALTHY.

AS MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW, UH, IN 2017, REGENERON PURCHASED, UH, GREENBURG CAMPUS, REPRESENTING ABOUT 1.4 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF, OF LAB AND OFFICE SPACE.

WHEN WE PURCHASED THE CAMPUS, IT WAS A MULTI-TENANTED CAMPUS, AND MANY OF OUR TENANTS HAVE MOVED OUT, AND REGENERON HAS RECAPTURED THEIR SPACE FOR OUR OWN GROWTH.

WE ALSO, IT'S, IT'S ALS ALSO REFERENCED, UH, UH, YOU'LL SEE ON THE DRAWINGS AS AS P M P D.

THIS FUNCTION TRULY PLAYS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT ROLE AND ACTS AS THE GATEWAY BETWEEN OUR RESEARCH AND OUR PRODUCT SUPPLY ORGANIZATION.

AND THIS FUNCTION MAY FIT WELL IN THE AMENDED PARCEL D DESIGN THAT YOU'LL SEE IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES.

SO WHAT IS P M P D? UM, IN GENERAL TERMS, P M P D PRODUCES, UH, GRAM SCALE QUANTITIES OF PROTEINS FOR PRECLINICAL STUDIES.

IN ADDITION, THEY SUPPLY PROTEIN TO OUR DISCOVERY GROUP, OUR R D GROUP, OUR QUALITY CONTROL TEAM, AS WELL AS EXTERNAL COLLABORATORS.

P M P D ALSO DESIGNS, DEVELOPS, AND IMPLEMENTS PRODUCTION PROCESSES FOR G M P OR GOOD MANUFACTURING

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PRACTICE.

AND OF COURSE, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, UH, TO ENSURE HEALTHY AND AND REPRODUCIBLE CULTURE, THESE CELLS ARE GROWN FROM A, A, A VIAL, A SMALL VIAL, UH, INDUSTRIAL QUANTITIES.

UH, UH, THEY'RE GROWN FROM VIAL TO INDUSTRIAL QUANTITIES, UH, THROUGH THE PROCESSES DEVELOPED, UH, FOR ALL OUR CLINICAL PHASES AND BEYOND.

AND OF COURSE, YES, OUR TWO C OVID 19 ANTIBODIES THAT THE F D A HAS GRANTED AN EMERGENCY USE AUTHORIZATION FOR HAVE GONE THROUGH OUR P M P D OPERATIONS.

SO, AS YOU'LL SEE IN A FEW MINUTES, OUR PROPOSAL FOR THIS AMENDMENT PLAYS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT ROLE IN MOVING OUR SCIENCE TO MEDICINE.

AND I HOPE THAT WE GAIN YOUR SUPPORT AND CONSIDERATION ON THIS PROPOSAL.

UH, I'D LIKE TO NOW INTRODUCE STEVE SPINA WITH J M C, OUR SITE DEVELOPMENT CONSULTANT.

STEVE, WE'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE PLAN, UH, THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING.

ON TOP, BUT THE NEW BUILDING IS RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.

THIS IS STEVE SPINA FROM J M C.

WE'RE THE SITE ENGINEER.

UM, WE'RE, UH, FAMILIAR WITH SEV, SEVERAL OF YOU, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING, UH, CLOSELY ON THIS, UH, CAMPUS, UH, FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW.

UM, THROUGHOUT, THROUGHOUT WITH, UH, SOME OF THE BOARDS AND MANY STAFF ON, ON, UH, PAST APPROVALS AS, AS HAVE BEEN MENTIONED, AND OUTSIDE AGENCY APPROVALS AS WELL.

UM, WE WERE OBVIOUSLY IN INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN THE 2014 APPROVALS, UH, WHICH WERE DONE FOR THE PREVIOUS, UH, LANDOWNER AS MENTIONED.

UM, AND SINCE THEN, THE, THE PROJECT HAS UNDERWENT A VERY DETAILED ANALYSIS OF ALL THE PROGRAMS AND GROWTH.

AND BASICALLY NOW THEY KNOW WHAT THEY NEED AND, AND THE, THE TYPE AND SIZE OF SPACE THAT THEY NEED.

SO IT IS NOW A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR THE NEED.

AND, UH, AS YOU SEE ON THE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU, UM, UH, YOU, YOU MAY RECALL THE PRIOR, UH, UH, ENTITLEMENT, UM, HAD A, UH, UH, A DIFFERENT SHAPED PARKING GARAGE AND A, A DIFFERENT SHAPED BUILDING.

UM, BUT THERE ARE, UH, THE, THE BUILDING NOW IS, IS LARGER IN FOOTPRINT, UH, BUT SHORTER IN HEIGHT.

AND IT, IT WAS DESIGNED THAT WAY FOR THE USE THAT, THAT IT, UH, THAT IT'S SERVING.

AND, UH, THE PARKING GARAGE IS IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT LOCATION.

UH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, BUT, UH, IS, UM, YOU KNOW, MORE EFFICIENT AND, AND PROVIDING THE PARKING THAT IS NEEDED FOR THE USE.

UM, THERE ARE THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES TO THE RIGHT, UH, BETWEEN THE PROPOSED BUILDING THERE AND THE, AND THE, UH, EXISTING LOOP ROAD WHERE IT'S LABELED PARCEL D.

RIGHT? THERE'S SOME STORMWATER BASINS, SOME WETLANDS THERE.

AND, UH, AN IMPORTANT FACT TO NOTE IS THAT WE'VE REALLY RESPECTED THAT, UH, AREA IN TERMS OF WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING NOW.

THERE'S, UM, VERY SIMILAR AMOUNT OF DISTURBANCE TO THE WETLAND, BUFFER AND STEEP SLOPES.

UH, AND WE ARE NOT INCREASING THE, THE, UH, OR WE'RE NOT, UH, DECREASING THE DISTANCE FROM THE WETLANDS.

WE'RE, WE'RE MAINTAINING AT LEAST THE SAME DISTANCE AWAY IN TERMS OF TEMPORARY DISTURBANCE OR PERMANENT DISTURBANCE FOR BUILDING SIDEWALKS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, AND, UH, IF YOU, IF YOU, UM, JUST, UH, BRING UP THE, THE COMPARISON OF THE OLDER, UH, ORIGINAL, UH, APPROVED DRAWING KIND OF APPEAR HERE, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN YELLOW, WHERE THE, THE PRIOR BUILDING IS DASHED IN YELLOW ON THE BOTTOM THERE, WHERE, UH, IT, IT WAS A SMALLER FOOTPRINT, BUT TALLER.

AND, UH, IT HAD SOME CONNECTIONS TO THE ADJACENT BUILDINGS, WHICH WE ARE STILL PROPOSING.

UH, THERE IS A CONNECTION TO BUILDING FOUR ON THE LEFT AND A CONNECTION, A BRIDGE TO BUILDING SEVEN ON, ON THE BOTTOM THERE.

AND, UH, AND THE PARKING GARAGE WAS A LOT LARGER AND, UH, AND, AND, AND SHORTER, BUT, UH, IT WAS NOT CONNECTED AT ALL TO ANY OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS.

SO WE'VE TRIED TO CONTINUE THE WHOLE THEME OF CONNECTIVITY HERE, WHERE EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED.

SO THERE'S A BRIDGE TO THE NEW PARKING GARAGE NOW.

AND, UM, AS I SAID, OVERALL, UH, SIMILAR LIMITED DISTURBANCE, UM, ESPECIALLY, UH, WHERE WE, WE PAID CLOSE ATTENTION NEAR THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS.

UM, SO THE NEXT, THE NEXT SLIDE WE'D LIKE TO JUST QUICKLY REVIEW WOULD BE THE, UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A SIDE BY SIDE BETWEEN THE TWO, UH, VERSIONS THAT YOU'VE SEEN.

SO THE 2014 APPROVED PLAN, YOU KNOW, HAD A TALLER RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT SLASH OFFICE BUILDING.

SO IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED, UH, AGAIN, THE PRIOR OWNER DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE USE WOULD BE.

SO IT, IT WAS PLANNED FOR A SLIGHTLY MORE INTENSIVE USE WITH OFFICE.

SO, UM, THE, THE NEW BUILDING ON THE RIGHT WOULD BE A TWO STORY R AND D BUILDING, NOT OFFICE.

UM, AGAIN, BOTH HAD AN ENCLOSED MECHANICAL SPENT, UH, PENTHOUSE

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SO IT'S LESS OF AN INTENSIVE USE IN TERMS OF THE REQUIRED PARKING IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC GENERATION.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE, UH, UH, WE'VE ALREADY MET WITH THE, THE TOWN TRAFFIC CONSULTANT.

AND, UH, WE'VE DISCUSSED HIM WITH, WITH JOHN CANNING ABOUT THE, THE INTENSITY.

AND, AND HE FEELS VERY COMFORTABLE WE'RE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE, UH, AS COMPARED TO WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.

UM, AS DISCUSSED, I JUST INTERJECT FOR A MOMENT.

ARE YOU GONNA BE BUILDING THE TWO STORY BUILDING SO THAT IT'S, IT'S, UH, FOUNDATION CAN HANDLE MORE STORIES OR ARE YOU'RE BUILDING IT FOR A TWO STORY BUILDING JUST FOR A TWO STORY BUILDING? OKAY.

AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE, UH, THE REMAINDER OF THE BUILDING SORT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, WRAPPING AROUND THE, THE EXISTING, UM, WETLAND AREA, WETLAND BUFFER AREA TO THE, TO THE MIDDLE AND TO THE RIGHT THERE, UH, EAST ELEVATION.

THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, THIS, THIS IS THE BUILDING.

IT'S BEEN EXTENSIVELY STUDIED WHAT THEY NEED, AND, AND THIS, THIS IS IT.

UM, AND IT, AND IT WILL HAVE A, THE SECOND BULLET THERE WOULD BE THE, THE PARKING GARAGE.

SO BOTH HAD A PARKING GARAGE.

UH, THE THREE LEVEL WAS JUST SPREAD OUT MORE AND LOWER.

AND THE, THE SIXTH LEVEL IS, UH, MORE COMPACT, MORE EFFICIENT, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN, THAN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.

AND THEN, UH, THE TWO BUILDINGS, EXCUSE ME, THE TWO BUILDINGS, UH, THE APPROVED VERSION, 128,000 ROUGHLY SQUARE FEET, UH, WITH A PENTHOUSE ON TOP, THAT, THAT COVERED THE ENTIRE ROOF.

UH, WHEREAS THE NEW ONE IS, THE NEW BUILDING IS, UH, LESS OF A, LESS OF A, UM, A HEIGHT, BUT A LARGER FOOTPRINT AND A PENTHOUSE THAT DOES NOT COVER THE ENTIRE ROOF AREA.

UH, IT, IT'S BEEN DESIGNED FOR THE SPACE, SO WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, UH, JUST ABOUT HOW BIG THAT PENTHOUSE WILL BE.

NOW, UM, BOTH IN INVOLVE WETLAND BUFFER AND STEEP SLOPES DISTURBANCE AS, AS WE MENTIONED, UH, WE THINK IT'S VERY COMPARABLE, AND WE REALLY TRY TO RESPECT THAT.

UM, AND, UH, AND THEN THE, THE, THE F A R AND HEIGHT VARIANCES, UM, WE'RE RECEIVED FOR THE APPROVED PLAN.

AND THE NEW PLAN WE'RE PROPOSING F A R, UM, UH, INCREASE WHAT WOULD NEED A VARIANCE.

UH, BUT THERE IS A REAR SETBACK, UH, VARIANCE NEEDED, AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE LAST BULLET POINT THERE.

THERE'S A, A LOOP ROAD BRIDGE, A FUTURE BRIDGE PROPOSED TO CONNECT FROM THE EXISTING BUILDINGS ON THE CAMPUS THERE TO THE FUTURE LOOP ROAD HOLDINGS PROJECT.

AND THE REASON WE HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF THIS PROJECT IS BECAUSE IT'S LOCATED ON THE SAME LOT.

EXCUSE ME.

SO, UM, THIS, THIS IS THE, UH, THE LIST OF ENTITLEMENTS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD TO, UM, GO THROUGH, UH, THE FIRST TIME FOR THE 2014 APPROVAL.

UH, WE'LL BE BEFORE YOUR BOARD FOR THE AMENDED SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

AND THEN, UM, WE'LL BE BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD FOR THE WETLANDS STEEP SLOPES, TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.

AND THEN, AS MENTIONED VARIANCES, UH, FOR F A R AND FOR THAT REAR YARD SETBACK FROM THE ZONING BOARD, WHEN WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE, UH, IF YOU GET THE APPROVALS, UH, THAT THE WORK WOULD START? UH, RIGHT NOW, THE, I'M SORRY.

NO, I WAS GONNA LET GEORGE ANSWER THAT.

I MEAN, UH, PAUL, WOULD YOU MIND IF WE GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION? WE'RE HAPPY TO DO, DO QUESTION, ANSWER AT THE END, AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE EACH OTHER AND HAVE THE APPROPRIATE PER AND ANSWER THE QUESTION? THAT'D BE GREAT.

BE HAPPY TO.

SO, SO THIS, THIS JUST SHOWS A QUICK ILLUSTRATION OF THE TWO LEVELS AS DESCRIBED.

SO THE BLUE AND THE, AND THE KIND OF TAN ARE THE, THE, UH, THE AREAS WHERE, WHERE ALL THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT TAKES PLACE.

IN SOME QUARTERS ON THE LEFT, YOU CAN SEE LEVEL ONE, UH, IT DOES CONNECT TO BUILDING FOUR ON THE LEFT.

AND THEN, UH, LEVEL TWO HAS A CONNECTION TO BUILDING SEVEN, THE BRIDGE ON THE BOTTOM THERE, AN ELEVATED BRIDGE.

AND THEN ALSO ON THE LEFT SIDE OF LEVEL TWO, THERE'S AN ELEVATED BRIDGE TO THE PARKING STRUCTURE.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

AND, AND THESE ARE SOME ELEVATION, UH, VIEWS HERE.

UH, THE TOP ONE LOOKING WEST, UM, FROM THE EXISTING KIND OF STANDING WITH YOUR BACK TO THE EXISTING, UH, BUILDING TO THE, TO THE WEST OR, OR PLAN SOUTH, UH, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE A BEAUTIFUL EXTENSIVE FACADE, UH, WITH AN ENCLOSED MECHANICAL PENTHOUSE ON TOP.

AND THEN, UH, SORT OF MAYBE TWO THIRDS OF THE WAY OVER, YOU SEE THE BRIDGE KIND OF COMING AT YOU OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING THERE.

RIGHT? AND THEN THE SOUTH ELEVATION, UH, LOOKING FROM THE EXISTING LOOP ROAD, UH, YOU KNOW, TO YOUR, TO YOUR BACK, LOOKING TOWARDS THAT WAY.

SO YOU SEE ON THE LEFT, YOU WOULD HAVE THAT ELEVATED BRIDGE TO BUILDING SEVEN,

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UH, LOOKING TOWARD, LOOKING FROM THE, UH, LOCATION OF THOSE, THE EXISTING WETLANDS, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU SEE, UH, THE, THE MECHANICAL PENTHOUSE THERE AND THEN, UH, THE EAST ELEVATION, YOU KNOW, NOW YOU'RE LOOKING ON THE RIGHT SIDE WHERE THERE'S THE GARAGE, UH, UH, RIGHT THERE, THE GARAGE BRIDGE CONNECTING, UH, TO THE NORTH SIDE OF, OF THE BUILDING.

AND, UH, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A FEW LITTLE DOORS AROUND THERE WITH SOME SIDEWALKS.

AND THESE ARE JUST QUICK FLOOR PLANS OF THE, OF THE PARKING STRUCTURE.

SO EVERY FLOOR IS PRETTY SIMILAR IN TERMS OF ITS, UH, LAYOUT.

UM, THERE'S A, AN ENTRANCE ON THE GROUND LEVEL, UH, RIGHT THERE ON THE LEFT THERE, WHICH WOULD BE KIND OF ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER.

AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ENTRANCE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PARKING GARAGE ON THE SECOND LEVEL, UM, THAT GOES OFF ONTO THE, UH, EXISTING RING ROAD.

AND THEN, UM, RIGHT, AN IMPORTANT FEATURE WOULD BE THAT THERE'S, UH, SEVERAL ELECTRICAL CHARGING STATIONS PROPOSED ON THE PARKING GARAGE.

UM, YOU KNOW, AS ALWAYS, REGENERON IS LOOKING TO, UH, YOU KNOW, ADD ANY ELEMENTS OF SUSTAINABLE DESIGN AND ENCOURAGE THAT.

UM, BUT, UH, AND, AND THIS IS A, A NICE ELEVATION OF THE PARKING GARAGE.

IT'S, UH, UM, IT'S SIX LEVELS AS MENTIONED.

UM, AND THERE'S A GROUND, A GROUND LEVEL THAT SORT OF WORKS ITS WAY INTO THE SLOPE.

AND THEN, AND THEN THE OTHER EL AND THEN THE OTHER LEVELS JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, WORK THEIR WAY OFF OF THAT.

THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL PRETTY MUCH SYMMETRICAL.

AND THEN, UH, THE, THE SOUTH ELEVATION THERE SHOWS THE BRIDGE THAT WOULD CONNECT FROM THE SECOND LEVEL OF THE GARAGE INTO THE BUILDING.

AND THEN THERE IS A POTENTIAL OF POSSIBLY INSTALLING, UH, SOME PHOTO OF PHOTO VOLTA, SOLAR PANELING ON THE ROOF, UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS DONE, UH, ACROSS THE ROADWAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CAMPUS.

SO, UM, THAT, THAT WE'RE EVALUATING THAT AS PART OF THAT DESIGN.

AND, UH, THESE ARE JUST SOME NICE RENDERINGS, UH, THAT, UH, THAT FLAD HAD PUT TOGETHER.

UM, THE ARCHITECT, UH, UH, SOME, SOME VIEWS WITHIN THAT PLAZA AREA, UM, BETWEEN THE EXISTING BUILDING SEVEN AND THE PROPOSED BUILDING SHOWS A, THE BRIDGE THERE ACROSS RIGHT BETWEEN BUILDING SEVEN AND THE, AND THE NEW BUILDING, UH, NICE ENTRY LOBBY.

UM, JUST A, A NICE AMENITY SPACE.

SO THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, A A LOT OF NICE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES THAT WERE PUT INTO THIS.

UM, AND THIS, UH, THIS SLIDE, UH, AS WE TOUCHED ON EARLIER, THE LOOP ROAD BRIDGE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PROPOSED FUTURE BRIDGE TO THE FUTURE LOOP ROAD DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AGAIN, WE'RE SHOWING THAT ON THESE PLANS, BECAUSE IT IS LOCATED PARTIALLY ON THE LOT FOR THE P M P D BUILDING, UM, WE ARE OR WILL BE ASKING FOR, UH, ADDITIONAL F A R UH, RELIEF BECAUSE OF THAT.

UH, IT IS AN ENCLOSED, UH, ELEVATED BRIDGE, AND THIS JUST, UH, ILLUSTRATES THE PROPERTY LINE THAT SORT OF SPLITS THE BRIDGE IN HALF.

AND THEN BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATION DIFFERENCE, THERE'LL BE A CHANGE IN ELEVATION AT THAT LARGE AREA IN THE MIDDLE.

UH, THERE'D BE AN ELEVATOR, SOME STAIRS, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A NICE AMENITY SPACE IN THERE.

AND, UH, THEN IT WOULD CLIMB AN ELEVATION ACROSS THE EXISTING LOOP ROAD.

UH, THAT'S, THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE CAMPUS NOW ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF, UH, OF THAT SECTION.

PROPERTY LINE THERE SPLITS THE TWO LOTS AND, AND THE PORTION THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, PROPOSED TO BE AT LEAST ENTITLED IN TERMS OF THE, UM, THE F A R AND, AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE WOULD BE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS, UH, SECTION.

AND HERE'S THE SECTION VIEW.

SO YOU CAN SEE AS YOU MOVE FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, UH, LEFT BEING THE GREENBURG CAMPUS, UH, THAT'S DEVELOPED NOW, THAT'S THE EXISTING BUILDING.

AND THEN, UH, BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATION DIFFERENCE, IT WOULD, IT WOULD CLIMB UP SORT OF TOWARDS THE MIDDLE, BUT THAT

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IT'S JUST A VIEW FROM THE OTHER SIDE, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING, UH, LOOKING WEST, UH, WESTWARD FROM THE EAST HERE.

UH, SO THE EXISTING BUILDING ON THE RIGHT.

AND, AND THEN THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL, UH, IMAGE THERE.

SO THE LOOP ROAD, UH, LOOP ROAD ON THE LEFT IMAGE THERE, THE LOOP ROAD HOLDINGS WOULD BE ON YOUR LEFT.

AND THERE'S THE EXISTING, UH, LOOP ROAD ITSELF, AND THEN THE EXISTING BUILDINGS TO THE RIGHT THERE WHERE WE'RE CONNECTING FROM.

SO YOU CAN SEE HOW IT TRAVERSES ACROSS THE EXISTING PARKING LOT OVER THE EXISTING LOOP ROAD, AND, UH, ELEVATES UP TO MEET THE, UH, FUTURE PROPOSED LOOP ROAD HOLDINGS PROJECT.

SO THERE'S SOME IMPROVEMENTS ON THE SITE NEEDED FOR THIS, SUCH AS JUST MINOR RELOCATIONS OF PARKING AND CURBS.

SO, SO THANK YOU STEVE, AND WE APPRECIATE THE TIME OF THE BOARD.

I MEAN, JUST TO SUMMARIZE, I I, I DO WANNA MENTION ONE THING ON THE BRIDGE.

WE WILL NOT BE SEEKING A BUILDING PERMIT TO BUILD THAT BRIDGE.

WE'RE JUST SEEKING TO ENTITLE THE F A R.

WE WOULD BE COMING BACK FOR BUILDING PERMIT WHEN WE BUILD THE LOOP ROAD BUILDING ACROSS THE WAY TO CONNECT IT.

SO WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY BUILDING IT, WE'RE JUST, AGAIN, INCLUDING IT IN THE F A R, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK WHERE WE GO IN FOR THE SITE PLAN, FOR THE, UH, AND, AND, AND THE BUILDING PERMITS FOR THE, THE BUILDING ON THE OTHER SIDE.

UH, WE THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING, AND WE THINK IT WORKS FOR, IT WORKS FOR THE DESIGN.

AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, FROM A, AN INPUT IMPACT STANDARD, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE TABLES, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AND GO THROUGH IT AGAIN WITH YOU WHEN WE'RE MORE FORMAL, UH, THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF PEOPLE USING THIS BUILDING, WHILE WE'VE DESIGNED IT FOR ZONING AND IT WILL CONFORM WITH THE ZONING FOR PARKING AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS, WE WILL HAVE MANY LESS PEOPLE UTILIZING THIS BUILDING THAN THE LAST BUILDING THAT WAS DESIGNED BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER HAS THE OFFICE COMPONENT AND IT'S ONLY LAB, AND THERE'S SO MUCH MORE MECHANICAL AND EQUIPMENT, ET CETERA, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND THEN WE DO, FOR EXAMPLE, WIND UP WITH MORE PARKING SPACES THAN WE NEED.

IT CAN ALWAYS BE OVERFLOW FOR SOME OF THE LATER, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, WORKS THAT WE HAVE.

I JUST WANNA KNOW THE TIMETABLE THAT YOU, UH, THAT YOU'RE ANTICIPATING.

GEORGE, YOU WANNA ANSWER THAT? YEAH, SURE.

UH, SUPERVISOR FINER THE, UM, WHILE WE CAN'T COMMIT TO A DATE, I MEAN, WE, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, OUR REAL ESTATE PHILOSOPHY AND, AND THE WAY I'VE BEEN HANDLING THE MATTERS FOR REGENERON IS, IS THAT WE, WE ALWAYS WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SHOVEL AND GROUND READY SPACE, BECAUSE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US.

'CAUSE WE, WE HAVE TO ACT QUICKLY ON, ON CERTAIN PROGRAMS THAT WE NEED, UH, BRICKS AND MORTAR, UH, TO PROVIDE.

AND, AND, AND OF COURSE, THIS, THIS, THIS PLAYS A, THIS, THIS REQUEST IS IMPORTANT TO US.

DID YOU AN, OH, SORRY, I JUST WANNA, SORRY, GO AHEAD, PAUL.

I JUST WANT, UH, YOU ANTICIPATE IN 2021 OR, OR LATER? YEAH, I, UH, PAUL, I HONESTLY, I I COULD NOT, UH, I COULD NOT GIVE YOU A, AND CAN I ALSO SUGGEST, MR. SUPERVISOR, AS WE'VE TOLD YOU BEFORE, WITH RESPECT TO THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY, IT IS PUBLICLY TRADED, AND YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT MAKING AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECT TO THAT.

SO WE WOULD ASK YOU TO SAY THAT GEORGE HAS GIVEN THE, THE MOST INFORMATION HE CAN GIVE, AND WE WILL, WHEN WE HAVE HARDER INFORMATION FOR YOU, WE WILL SHARE IT.

THE QUESTION I HAVE IS THIS, THIS BUILDING THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS JUST FOR REGENERON? OR ARE YOU GONNA BE LEASING THIS PROPERTY OUT? TH THIS, THIS IS FOR REGENERON.

THIS IS FOR THE, THE, THE, AS AS, AS GEORGE PUT IT, THE SCIENCE TO MEDICINE PIECE OF THE, OF, OF WHAT REGENERON DOES.

SO THIS IS OWNER, OWNER OCCUPIED SPACE.

IT'S FOR THEM.

YOU KNOW, I, WE'VE HAD OTHER BUILDINGS AT REGENERON WHERE THEY'VE HAD JOINT VENTURE PARTNERS THAT HAVE COME IN WHERE THEY'VE DONE ALLIANCES, ET CETERA.

BUT THIS IS REGENERON BUILDING.

THEN WHAT IS, WHAT IS, AND I'M SORRY, I HAVE ANOTHER ONE.

AND

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AND THEN WHAT IS YOUR ANTICIPATED TIME FOR THE BUILD OUT AGAIN? AS, AS GEORGE, I THINK ANSWERED, UH, THE SUPERVISOR'S QUESTION, WE, WE JUST CAN'T ANSWER THAT YET TONIGHT.

I APOLOGIZE.

I, MARK, I APOLOGIZE.

SO WHEN DO YOU THINK IT'LL BE DONE? NO, , YOU'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET ME IN TROUBLE.

WE JUST KEEP TRYING.

I DO WANNA SAY, ALL KIDDING ASIDE, THAT MANY TIMES WE SEE RENDERINGS AND WE LOOK AT THE RENDERINGS AND IT'S LIKE, YEAH, IT WILL NEVER LOOK LIKE THAT.

AND SO FAR, AND I ASSUME IT'LL CONTINUE FOR REGENERON, WHAT YOU BUILD IS GENERALLY WHAT THE RENDERINGS ARE.

SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT JUST PRETTY PICTURES.

REGENERON DOESN'T QUALITY, QUALITY PRODUCT.

AND THAT'S BASED ON EXPERIENCE.

I THINK, UH, IT'S A GREAT PROJECT.

GEORGE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.

I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT AND IT'S A GREAT, UH, COMPANY.

AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY LUCKY IN THE TOWN THAT, UH, UH, YOU HAVE HELPED PUT GREENBERG ON, YOU KNOW, ON THE MAP.

SO EVERYTHING ABOUT REGENERON, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

UH, AND I, I AGREE WITH PAUL.

UM, WHEN WE STARTED THIS JOURNEY, UH, ALMOST, I GUESS, WHAT IS IT, ALMOST NINE YEARS AGO NOW, WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I VOTED ON AS A NEWLY ELECTED COUNCIL MEMBER WAS THE EXPANSION OF REGENERON.

SO IT'S GLAD TO SEE YOU ALL BACK AGAIN, AND I'M GLAD THAT THE PROJECT IS STILL MOVING FORWARD.

UM, AT THAT TIME WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UH, CONNECTING THE EXISTING, I THINK IT'S THE SOUTH COUNTY TRAIL OR THE NORTH COUNTY TRAIL WITH SOME TRAILS IN AND AROUND THE PROPERTY FOR THE EMPLOYEES THAT THE PUBLIC MIGHT ENJOY AS WELL.

UH, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE CONNECTION WAS TO, TO KINDA GO UP AND AROUND BY HOME DEPOT EXACTLY.

AREA, UH, THOSE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD ABOUT A YEAR AGO.

AND THEN I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING SINCE, I GUESS FOR OBVIOUS REASONS WITH THE, WITH THE COVID LOCKDOWN, I THINK THINGS CAME TO A, TO A HALT, BUT WE WERE HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT CONNECTION.

AND, AND I WOULD JUST MENTION THE, THE DIFFERENCE WHEN WE CAME BEFORE YOU, UH, COUNCILMAN THE FIRST TIME, UH, ON LOOP ROAD SINCE THAT TIME IS WHEN REGENERON PURCHASED THE BALANCE OF THE CAMPUS.

THERE WERE ONLY A TENANT AT THAT TIME, AND THEY HAD PURCHASED THAT, AND NOW THEY HAVE THE ENTIRE CONTROL, THE ENTIRETY OF IT.

AND SO IT'S CHANGED A BIT IN THE, IN, IN THE, UH, PLANNING STAGES AS TO HOW TO GO FORWARD, HOW BEST TO GO FORWARD.

, MARK AND, AND GEORGE, UM, WHAT I HAVE TO SAY HAS REALLY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PROPOSED, UM, UH, PLANS, HOWEVER, I HOPE THAT THEY DO, UM, UH, MANIFEST.

BUT I WANT TO JUST THANK YOU FOR OPENING YOUR ARMS EVERY YEAR FOR THE PAST SEVERAL SUMMERS TO THE INTERNS THAT THE TOWN HALL INTERNS, WE HAVE HAD AT LEAST, AND IT COULD BE MORE, A HUNDRED YOUNG PEOPLE FROM THE TOWN OF GREENBURG WELCOMED INTO REGENERON AND ESCORTED THROUGH THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, UM, OF BUILDING AND GREETED BY THE YOUNG PROFESSIONALS AND SCIENTISTS.

AND, AND I, I TELL YOU, IT'S JUST AMAZING THE EXPERIENCE THAT THE STAFF PROVIDES FOR OUR INTERNS.

AND SO, UH, YOU ASK FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.

I DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT I SURE HAVE A COMMENT.

AND, AND, AND THIS IS THE ONE.

I KNOW TIM WAS INVOLVED, UH, WITH THOSE, WITH THOSE INTERNS SCHEDULE.

TIM AND GARRETT.

AND PAUL AND MYSELF AND RICH VAUGHN, AND WINSOME GORDON, JANELLE WALLACE, AND THE TOWN BOARD, BECAUSE WITHOUT THEIR SUPPORT, WE JUST COULDN'T DO IT.

SO EVERYONE HERE IS TO BE THANKED.

WE LOVE HAVING IT.

CAN'T WAIT TILL WE CAN DO IT AGAIN.

LOOP, UM, YOU KNOW, EXHIBIT HIGH CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, THE RISK DENSITY BONUSES THAT, UH, YOU TOOK ADVANTAGE OF FOR THE MILLION SQUARE FEET.

AARON, YOU HAD A QUESTION? YEAH, JUST A FEW.

YEAH, JUST A FEW COMMENTS.

A FEW PLANNING AND LAND USE CONSIDERATIONS.

UM, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT AND WHAT YOU HAVE PRE-APPROVED ON THE, UH, OUTER

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UM, AND, AND, AND THIS, THIS, WHAT YOU PRESENTED TODAY, JUST, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO EXHIBIT CONSISTENCY WITH, YOU KNOW, THE VISION THAT THE TOWN OF GREENBERG ESTABLISHED IN ITS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO, APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, YOU KNOW, ON THE PLANNING SIDE OF THINGS, OR THE, UH, PROCESS SIDE OF THINGS, I SHOULD SAY, UH, WE ENVISION A COORDINATED SEEKER REVIEW.

UM, THE TOWN BOARD HAS CONSISTENTLY BEEN LEAD AGENCY FOR PROJECTS, UH, ON YOUR CAMPUS, AND I WOULD NOT ANTICIPATE ANYTHING DIFFERENT.

YOU HAD INDICATED THAT, UH, WE HAD ENGAGED, UM, JOHN KENNING TRAFFIC CONSULTANT PREVIOUSLY, AND THAT'S CORRECT.

UM, WE HAD, WE HAD MET WITH HIM ON THE FALL AND YOU HAD, UH, WALKED HIM THROUGH, UH, YOUR PROPOSAL AND HOW THE INTENSITY, UH, VARIES, UH, ACTUALLY TO, TO A DEGREE WHERE, UH, LESS INTENSE FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE.

UH, WE WILL REENGAGE JOHN CANNING FOR YOUR FORMAL, UH, SUBMISSION.

AND, UH, YEAH, WELCOME YOU AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING ON THIS APPLICATION.

THANKS, KARA.

I WAS, I WAS CURIOUS, MARK, WHETHER OR NOT ANY, ANY WORK HAS BEEN DONE ON THE ARTIFACTS THAT HAD BEEN, UH, COLLECTED AND SAVED AND THAT WHOLE AREA BEING PRESERVED ON THE CAMPUS, AND WHETHER THERE WAS ANY MORE WORK THAT HAD BEEN DONE WITH THE MATERIALS THAT WERE FOUND, GEORGE? NO.

UH, TO, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, DIANA, I, I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING OF, OF, OF WHERE THE ARTIFACTS.

UH, THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN THAT, UH, I, I, I BELIEVE, UH, DID COLLECT SOME OF THEM, UH, PRIOR TO US, UH, UH, SEEKING OUR APPLICATION.

BUT, UH, I, I REALLY HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH IN THE LAST THREE, OR PROBABLY IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS AS TO WHERE THEY RESIDE.

IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED? OH, I COULD DEF, I COULD, I COULD DEFINITELY PUT YOU IN CONTACT WITH THE INDIVIDUAL THAT, THAT, THAT HAS THE ARTIFACTS WITHOUT A DOUBT.

WELL, WE, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

WE WILL TAKE THE COMMENTS DOWN.

WE WILL FINALIZE OUR SUBMISSION, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU SOON.

WE HOPE WE'LL, UH, SEE YOU AT THE GROUNDBREAKING, WHICH MAYBE WILL BE NON-VIRTUAL .

WE ALL HOPE FOR THAT, SO THANK YOU.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU, PAUL.

TAKE CARE, EVERYBODY.

OKAY, NEXT WE HAVE, UM, A PRESENTATION, UM, A FIRE SAFETY CONSULTANT INTERVIEW RELATING TO, UH, THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM.

AND WE'RE GONNA LOOK, HEAR FROM OUR ENGINEERS, UH, GARY? YES.

THANK YOU, SUPERVISOR FINER.

AND, UH, WE HAVE GUESTS, UH, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS, ROBERT ACOSTA AND MICHAEL OF OOP, UM, WHO, UH, WE'LL BE HEARING FROM AND LEARNING ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCE, UH, AS AN ENGINEERING FIRM, IN PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS AS THE TOWN, UH, NAVIGATES THROUGH THE CREATION OF A LOCAL LAW FOR THAT, THAT EMERGING USE.

AND, UM, THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING TODAY IS FOR THE TOWN BOARD TO HEAR A BRIEF PRESENTATION AND, UH, AS, AS WE LOOK TO, UH, BRING ON A CONSULTANT TO ASSIST THE TOWN AS WE CONSIDER SAFETY CONCERNS WITH THESE USES, UM, AND, AND WORK WITH OUR, UM, UH, SOON TO BE FORMED COMMITTEE ON THAT LOCAL LAW.

SO, WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, UH, ROBERT COSTA, ARE YOU, UH, READY TO TAKE IT AWAY, OR WAS, UH, MIKE GOING TO START? I THINK ROB'S, ROB'S GONNA START IT.

UH, THAT I AM, LEMME JUST SHARE MY SCREEN HERE.

LET ME SEE.

YOU GUYS SEEING THE PRESENTATION NOW? YES.

ALSO, UH, WOULD BE JOINED THE TEAM.

ALRIGHTY.

WELL, FIRST OFF, I JUST WANNA THANK, UH, THANK YOU TO THE COMMISSIONER AND THE, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG FOR INVITING ARUP TO, TO JOIN TONIGHT'S MEETING.

UM, I'M JUST GONNA GIVE A BRIEF INTRODUCTION TO, TO ARUP AND, AND OUR QUALIFICATIONS RELATED TO, UH, BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. SO, JUST QUICKLY, UH, ABOUT THE TEAM THAT, THAT WE BROUGHT TONIGHT, MYSELF, ROBERT ACOSTA, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF APPOINTED ON, ON THE PROJECT WOULD BE THE PROJECT MANAGER, UH, FOR THE PROJECT.

AND, UH, I'VE BEEN WITH ERIC FOR ABOUT 12 YEARS NOW.

CURRENTLY PART OF THE LEADERSHIP TEAM FOR OUR FIRE, FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY PRACTICE OUT OF OUR NEW YORK CITY OFFICE.

UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT ME AND PAST PRESIDENT OF THE NEW YORK METROPOLITAN CHAPTER OF THE SOCIETY OF FIRE PROTECTION ENGINEERS, AND CURRENTLY SERVE ON THE TECHNICAL COMMITTEES, UH, SUPPORTING THE NEW YORK CITY CODE CONSTRUCTION REVISION.

UH, MIKE LAPSO, UH, HE, HE

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UH, MIKE WOULD BE ONE OF OUR, UH, BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM, TECHNICAL EXPERTS, PRIMARY FOCUS ON FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY.

UH, MIKE'S BEEN WITH ERIC FOR A LITTLE MORE IN SIX YEARS NOW, AND, AND BRINGS MORE THAN 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, UH, IN THE ENERGY SCIENCE AND, AND INDUSTRY SECTORS.

SO, ARUP AS A FIRM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE AT THE HEART OF MANY OF THE, THE WORLD'S MOST PROMINENT PROJECTS.

WE'VE GOT 89 OFFICES IN, IN 33 COUNTRIES, UH, WITH MORE THAN 15,000 ENGINEERS, PLANNERS, DESIGNERS, AND, AND CONSULTANTS, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE LOCALLY HERE IN NORTH AMERICA.

WE'VE GOT 11 OFFICES, ABOUT 1400, UH, MEMBERS OF THE STAFF.

AND, AND OUR CLOSEST OFFICE TO, TO THE TOWN OF GREENBURG IS, IS DOWN 77 WATER STREET IN DOWNTOWN MANHATTAN.

SO, IN TERMS OF THE BUSINESSES THAT WE SUPPORT, WE, YOU KNOW, WE SUPPORT DEVELOPERS, ARCHITECTS, AND, AND GOVERNMENT AGENCIES LIKE YOURSELF, UH, YOU KNOW, ON, ON ALL THESE VARIOUS SECTORS.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FOCUS HERE WOULD, WOULD BE, UH, OUR ENERGY BUSINESS.

AND THEN WITH WITHIN THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR OFFERINGS SPANNED A, A WIDE BREADTH OF, OF SERVICES SHOWN HERE.

AND WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO, TO MIKE TO DISCUSS, UH, SOME OF OUR MORE RELEVANT, UH, BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM PROJECTS.

HEY EVERYONE.

UM, I'M MIKE LIPO.

I'M ACTUALLY THE WESTERN SLIGHTLY LESS DUBON AIR COMPONENT TO ROB OUT OF OUR SAN FRANCISCO OFFICE.

I LEAD OUR SAN FRANCISCO FIRE TEAM OUT HERE.

UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH BATTERIES AND BATTERY TECHNOLOGY ON AND OFF NOW FOR ABOUT 15 PLUS YEARS.

UM, SOME OF THE, THE PROJECTS, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT, ESSENTIALLY GRID LEVEL STORAGE, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING PURPLE.

I HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE LIGHTING IN MY ROOM.

UM, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT A GRID LEVEL STORAGE SYSTEM, AND THESE ARE JUST HIGHLIGHTS OF SOME OF THE PROJECTS WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED ON.

UM, THE CONFIDENTIAL CLIENT IS NOT QUITE AS CONFIDENTIAL ANYMORE FROM WHEN IT STARTED.

THAT'S THE APPLE, MAINE CAMPUS.

THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF BATTERY STORAGE SO THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY RUN SELF SUFFICIENTLY FOR QUITE AN AMOUNT OF TIME.

UM, THAT'S A COMBINATION OF GRID LEVEL STORAGE AND LOCAL LEVEL STORAGE.

UH, THE MASSACHUSETTS DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY RESOURCES WAS A, A PROJECT WHERE WE HELPED IDENTIFY GRID LEVEL STORAGE THAT MASSACHUSETTS WOULD USE IN DIFFERENT FACILITIES.

UH, JOHN WAYNE AIRPORT IS ACTUALLY VERY PERTINENT TO, TO THE PARTICULAR JOB IN GREENBURG.

IT'S A SECONDARY AIRPORT IN, UM, THE LOS ANGELES AREA.

AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE SEVERAL TESLA MAGA PACKS, WHICH PROVIDE BACKUP POWER FOR THEIR CENTRAL UTILITY PLANT.

THIS WAS ACTUALLY DONE A FEW YEARS AGO BEFORE THE STANDARDS HAVE BECOME STANDARDIZED, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY OF SAYING IT.

AND SO PART OF WHAT WE DID THERE WAS A HAZARD MITIGATION ANALYSIS, AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT, IN A FAILURE MODE, WHAT WAS THE EXPOSURE TO SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND SURROUNDING AREAS.

IN THIS CASE, THERE'S A MAIN ROAD THAT GOES RIGHT PAST THE C U P AREA, AND THERE WAS CONCERN OF IMPACTING THAT ROAD DURING AN INCIDENT.

UM, MARS'S VINEYARD IS MORE OF A TRADITIONAL THING OF ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORT.

UH, WE'VE DONE SEVERAL FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, OR I'M SORRY, SAN DIEGO GAS AND ELECTRIC.

WE HAVE PLANTS GOING IN THERE.

WE'VE DONE SOME IN, UM, AUSTRALIA.

IF YOU WOULD POP TO A SECOND SLIDE THERE, ROB, IF IT GOES.

SO THIS IS A LIST OF PROJECTS THAT WE'VE WORKED ON RELATIVELY RECENTLY THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, THROUGHOUT THE FIRM.

IT'S, IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT ROB AND I HAVE BEEN ON EVERY SINGLE PROJECT.

WE'VE PARTICIPATED IN SOME, OUR ROLE HAS BEEN DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON, OBVIOUSLY THE CLIENT.

UM, GRID LEVEL STORAGE HAS EVOLVED A LOT.

IT JUST IN THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS.

SO THE IDEA OF A LARGE BATTERY, ESSENTIALLY IT'S A MASSIVE NUMBER OF BATTERIES IN A BOX, PROVIDING A BUFFER IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING FORWARD.

I WOULD SAY VERY QUICKLY HERE IN CALIFORNIA, MOSS LANDING, UM, FORMER DUKE ENERGY POWER PLANT JUST INSTALLED 300 MEGAWATTS OF BATTERIES TO PUMP BACK INTO THE GRID FOR, UM, PEAK TIME FOR US.

AND IN DOING THAT, THOUGH, THE SAFETY HAS INCREASED AND CHANGED A LOT.

UH, I WOULD IMAGINE MOST PEOPLE HAVE HEARD ABOUT THE INCIDENT IN ARIZONA WHERE A BATTERY STORAGE UNIT ACTUALLY EXPLODED DURING AN INCIDENT THAT, UM, WHAT OCCURRED THERE

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IS BASICALLY BEEN DESIGNED OUT IN THE NEW, IN NEW STORAGE UNITS, IT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO OCCUR AGAIN BECAUSE OF THE WAY, WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY EVER, BUT IT SHOULDN'T EVER OCCUR AGAIN BECAUSE THE WAY THE STORAGE UNITS THEMSELVES ARE VENTILATED.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND, THAT EVEN THOUGH THERE HAVE BEEN SOME INCIDENTS, A LOT OF TIMES THE TECHNOLOGY IS MOVING SO QUICKLY THAT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED A YEAR AGO MAY HAVE BEEN CHANGED OUT.

IT OBVIOUSLY DEPENDS ON VENDORS AND STUFF TOO.

YEAH, AND I THINK ONE THING TO JUST CLOSE OUT HERE, MIKE, TOO, IS, IS THAT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SNAPSHOT OF THESE PROJECTS, THEY'VE RANGED FROM ANYWHERE FROM FEASIBILITY STUDIES TO DESIGN TO, TO BEING TECHNICAL ADVISORS ON THE PROJECTS.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MIKE, MIKE MENTIONED SOME SPECIFICS OF SOME OF THE, THE PROJECTS AND, AND THE TESLA, UH, PRODUCT THAT, UH, WAS USED OUT AT JOHN WAYNE AIRPORT.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT CONNECTIONS AND PROFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIPS, NOT ONLY TO SOME OF THE TESTING LABORATORIES, BUT ALSO THE, THE BATTERY MANUFACTURERS.

SO I THINK WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO, UH, TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE, THE BRIEF INTRO, HOW MANY OF THESE, UH, PROJECTS THAT YOU HAVE LISTED HERE ARE ABOUT 20 MEGAWATTS AND IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS? UM, UM, CAN, CAN YOU POP BACK TO THE LIST, ROB? I CAN TRY TO PULL OUT YEAH.

SPECIFICALLY 20 MEGAWATTS IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY 20 MEGAWATTS IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THERE, JUST BECAUSE OF THE ABSOLUTES.

RACKS, WHICH ARE THEN IN AN ENCLOSURE.

UM, MOST OF THESE HAVE EITHER BEEN IN, IN MORE RURAL AREAS.

AND WHEN A, A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IN MY MIND IS, IS A SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE I LIVE IN HERE IN SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA, WHERE MY NEIGHBORS ARE 20 FEET, 10 FEET AWAY, HOUSE TO HOUSE.

UM, SO GOING THROUGH THESE, THE, THE BB, THE B B C, BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE, THE METRO TRAINS, MELBOURNE, UM, THOSE WOULD BE SOMEWHAT SIMILAR OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

UH, THE EAST BAY COMMUNITY ENERGY THAT WAS LOOKING AT ESSENTIALLY.

SO, UM, CAPTURING THE SOLAR THAT WE HAVE OUT HERE IN CALIFORNIA AND THEN BEING ABLE TO USE IT AT NIGHT, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A, A CLOSER ONE.

OAKLAND IS A, A HILLY AREA HERE BY THE BAY, BUT THAT'S MORE RESIDENTIAL ORIENTED, I WOULD SAY.

THAT'S VERY CLOSE.

UM, THE SAME WITH THE DEMOCRACY PARK.

THAT'S NOT FAR FROM WHERE I LIVE IN THE SOUTH PART OF THE BAY AREA.

THAT'S VERY, THE WHOLE BAY AREA IS A VERY SUBURBAN AREA AND MAY MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL.

UM, THOSE, THOSE WOULD BE, I WOULD SAY DIRECTLY APPLICABLE, IF YOU WILL.

UM, THE U C L U C L A HEALTH SYSTEM IS A MORE URBAN AREA, AND IT'S A DIFF IT'S REALLY A DIFFERENT, UM, IT'S A DIFFERENT APPLICATION THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.

IN THAT CASE, THE, UH, YORKSHIRE ONE I'M ACTUALLY NOT FAMILIAR WITH.

SO I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT FOR, UH, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR? UH, YEAH.

IN GENERAL, THE, I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT WE'RE ULTIMATELY LOOKING FOR IS THAT, UM, CAN THESE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS BE INSTALLED IN A TOWN LIKE THE TOWN OF GREENBURG? YEAH.

AND IF SO, UM, WHAT ZONING DISTRICTS WOULD, WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THEM, AND WOULD IT BE, UM, UNSAFE TO PUT THEM ON, SAY, A LARGE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY? SO, I, I THINK YOU'RE, YOU HIT UPON IT RIGHT THERE, WHEN YOU SAY LARGE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, REALLY THE, THE SAFETY FACTOR THAT COMES IN WITH ALL, ALL THESE INGEN STORAGE UNITS, REGARDLESS OF WHO THE MANUFACTURER IS, IS IT'S, IT'S A DISTANCE QUESTION.

OBVI, OBVIOUSLY, YOU DON'T WANT IT FIVE FEET FROM SOMEONE'S HOUSE.

'CAUSE IF THERE'S AN INCIDENT, IT'S JUST LIKE HAVING ANY OTHER INCIDENT FIVE FEET FROM SOMEONE'S HOUSE.

OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU HAVE A FIRE, YOU WILL HAVE SMOKE IMPACT.

THAT'S, THAT'S A GIVEN.

YOU CAN'T MAKE SMOKE GO AWAY.

UM, BUT WHEN I SAY IMPACT, I'M TALKING ABOUT RADIANT HEAT, DIRECTLY IMPINGING, DAMAGING ADJACENT PROPERTIES, ADJACENT STRUCTURES, UM, FOR THE MOST PART, ALL THE MANUFACTURERS.

NOW, TO SIMPLIFY IT, IT'S A BUNCH OF BATTERY CELLS, WHICH, IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR, THE BATTERY CELLS ARE ESSENTIALLY LIKE A LARGE AA BATTERY.

SO WHEN I SAY A BUNCH, I'M TALKING THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS.

THOSE ARE IN METAL MODULES, WHICH LOOK LIKE TRAYS, ESSENTIALLY, WHICH SIT INSIDE OF

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AND AS ALL THAT IS PUT IN WHAT APPEARS TO BE A SHIPPING CONTAINER, THERE'S A LOT MORE ENGINEERING AND SAFEGUARDS THAT GO INTO ALL THAT.

BUT THAT'S KIND OF A SIMPLIFIED VERSION OF IT.

UM, THE CURRENT STANDARD FOR TESTING IS UL 95 40, WHICH HAS THREE FAILURES.

FIRST YOU TEST THE BATTERY ITSELF, THE LITTLE CELLS.

IF THAT FAILURE PROPAGATES TO THE OTHER CELLS, WHICH IT USUALLY DOES, THEN YOU HAVE TO TEST THE MODULE.

THE THING THAT LOOKS KIND OF LIKE A, A GIANT, UM, FOOD TRAY, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY OF SAYING IT, IT'S A USUALLY STEEL CLAM SHELL WITH THE BATTERY CELLS INSIDE.

IF THE PROMULGATION GOES OUTSIDE OF THAT MODULE INTO THE RACK, THEN YOU TEST THE WHOLE ENTIRE ENCLOSURE TO SEE THAT GOES THROUGH.

IF AT ANY POINT YOU STOP THE FIRE, YOU STOP THE PROMULGATION, THEN YOU'VE MET THE SAFEGUARD STANDARDS.

IF YOU DON'T, YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND REDESIGN IT.

SO THEORETICALLY, YOU COULD HAVE A CELLULAR FAILURE AND STOP IT AT THE MODULE.

IF IT DIDN'T STOP AT THE MODULE, THEN THE ENCLOSURE HAS TO STOP IT.

IF IT DOESN'T STOP AT THE ENCLOSURE, THEN IT'S NOT LISTED.

UM, IN GENERAL, NO ONE WOULD ACCEPT THAT IN THEIR JURISDICTION IF IT'S NOT LISTED.

IN THE CASE OF THE JOHN WAYNE PROJECT, IT WAS ACTUALLY NOT LISTED AT THE TIME BECAUSE THE UL STANDARD WAS STILL DEVELOPING, AND THE MANUFACTURER WAS STILL IN THE PROCESS OF TESTING IT.

SO WE LOOKED AT IT FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, BASED ON WHAT WE KNEW TO BE THE NEW STANDARDS COMING FORWARD, AND BASED ON OUR OWN EXPERIENCE AND MITIGATION OF HAZARDS, AND SAID, OKAY, WE, WE SEE THESE SAFEGUARDS AS THE PERFORMANCE WE EXPECT.

WE ALSO ENDED UP DOING ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS ON THE EXPOSURE.

SO IN THE CASE OF YOUR PARTICULAR SCENARIO, I WOULD EXPECT THAT YOU WOULD ALREADY BE ENGAGED WITH MANUFACTURERS WHO ARE ONLY OFFERING A LISTED PRODUCT.

WHEN I SAY A LISTED PRODUCT, I'M REFERRING TO UL OR ANOTHER NATIONAL STANDARD.

UM, FOR REFERENCE, YOU'RE BASICALLY EVERYTHING ELECTRICAL IN YOUR HOUSE HAS A UL LISTING ON IT.

IT'S THE NA, IT'LL BE A NATIONAL STANDARD.

THE PRODUCT WAS TESTED TO IT TO SHOW IT'S SAFE.

MOST MOST UL THINGS ARE ELECTRIC RERATED.

THERE'S OTHER UL THINGS THAT ARE NOT.

BUT EXAMPLE, EVEN THE WIRE IN YOUR HOUSE, IF YOU LOOK AT IT CLOSELY, YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE UL AND A NUMBER ON IT, WHICH IS TELLING YOU WHAT UL STANDARD THAT'S LISTED TO.

SO IF YOU THINK, OH, I'M SORRY, KEEP GOING.

OH, IF, IF YOU THINK OF IT THAT WAY, THE ENTIRE ENERGY PACK IS UL LISTED.

SO THERE'S A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT STANDARDS THAT THAT FEED INTO THAT 95, 40 STANDARD.

BUT THAT IS THE, I I WOULD SAY THE BASE STANDARD THAT YOU WOULD WANT IT LISTED TO AS A MINIMUM.

UM, AND MIKE, YOU WOULD NOT.

MIKE, IF, IF I COULD JUST ADD TO THAT.

IN, IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, THE, THE CODES AND STANDARDS HAVE, HAVE COME A LONG WAYS RELATED TO, TO THE BEST SYSTEMS. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IN IN THE, THE FIRE PROTECTION WORLD, THE N F P A 8 5 5 WAS THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE GOVERNING STANDARD FOR, FOR MANY YEARS.

UH, OR I SHOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE FIRST STANDARD.

AND THEN THAT MANY OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS HAVE NOW SINCE BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE, THE FIRE CODES.

UM, SO TO ADDRESS YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, I, I THINK THE, THE CODES ARE, ARE NOW, YOU KNOW, COMING UP TO SPEED TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, YOUR SPECIFIC CONCERN ABOUT THESE INSTALLATIONS.

UM, YOU KNOW, NOW BEING PUT INTO, UH, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS PROPERTIES AND OR OUTDOOR, UM, YOU KNOW, FACILITIES.

HAVE YOU REFERENC, I'M SORRY, YOU COULD CONTINUE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

UH, BEEN INVOLVED IN, UM, A SHOPPING CENTER? WE HAVE, UM, BASICALLY A COUPLE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, UM, A SHOPPING CENTER IN N ONE SECTION AND, UM, A COUNTRY CLUB, UM, IN, UH, YOU KNOW, NEAR THE TOWN HALL.

I SEE KEN HAS HIS, HIS HAND UP TO IT LOOKS LIKE, I THINK.

UM, SO IT'S, SO ROB'S POINT, NFP EIGHT 50 FIVE'S A NATIONAL STANDARD.

UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE NEW YORK STATE CODES AND ANY LOCAL AMENDMENTS.

SO IT'S, IT'S NOT A CASE OF SOMEONE CAN JUST COME IN AND DROP ONE OF THESE ON ANY, ANY PIECE OF PROPERTY AND HAVE NO REGULATION ALREADY IN PLACE TO ADDRESS IT.

THERE ARE EXISTING REGULATIONS, UM, WHERE LIKE THE ENGINEERING PEOPLE COME IN IS IF WE, IF THERE'S A LOOPHOLE, SO TO SPEAK, WHICH IS NEVER REALLY A LOOPHOLE, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT THE REGULATION DOESN'T COVER, WOULD BE FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, IS IT STILL SAFE? AND IF NOT, DO WE NEED TO MAKE IT SAFE? SO I, I THINK TO ROB'S 0.6 YEARS AGO, SEVEN YEARS AGO, THAT IT WAS SOMEWHAT THE WILD, WILD WEST.

UM, SO EACH JURISDICTION WOULD'VE MADE THEIR OWN CALL.

NOW THAT'S BECOME MUCH MORE STANDARDIZED AND MUCH MORE, MUCH MORE REGULATED AND CONTROLLED.

PAUL, UH, ME, UM, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

UH, AS WOULD THE PROJECT MANAGER, IF YOU'RE BASED IN CALIFORNIA, WOULD YOU BE, UM, LOOKING AT THE SITES, UH, THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING? SO, SO ROB WOULD BE OUR PM ON THIS 'CAUSE HE'S IN NEW YORK AND HE'S A LICENSED NEW YORK FIRE PROTECTION ENGINEER, WHERE I'M A LICENSED CALIFORNIA FIRE PROTECTION ENGINEER.

SO I WOULD BE PROVIDING TECHNICAL SUPPORT, UM, AND ASSISTING ROB AS HE NEEDS IT.

AND BASICALLY I WOULD BE HIS, HIS LACKY TO DO HIS BIDDING ON THIS.

UM, BUT I, I WOULD BE SUPPORTING ROB, I WOULD NOT BE THE PRIMARY CONTACT FOR YOU THAT WOULD GO THROUGH OUR NEW YORK OFFICE WITH ROB.

ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, HAVE YOU EVER,

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SO WHEN, WHEN YOU SAY, DO YOU MEAN A BE A BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM ON THIS SCALE IN INSIDE A SHOPPING CENTER? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? UH, RIGHT OUTSIDE THE SHOPPING CENTER.

UM, NOT OUTSIDE OF SHOPPING CENTER, BUT OUTSIDE OF AIRPORT TERMINALS.

UM, AND OUTSIDE OF SOME LARGE OFFICE PARKS THAT HAVE VERY, UH, SHALL WE SAY LARGE COMMUNAL SPACES FOR CAFETERIAS.

SO THEY, THEY HAVE BEEN DONE.

UM, SO WOULD OUR CONCERNS BE, UM, IN TERMS OF THE PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL HOMES AND ALSO THE NUMBER OF, UH, PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THE PARKING AREA? YEAH, SO IN, IN A CASE OF A B E S LIKE THIS, I, I WOULD NOT EXPECT IT TO JUST SIT OUT NAKED, SO TO SPEAK, IN THE, IN THE PARKING LOT.

I WOULD PRO ASSUME IT WOULD BE SCREENED WITH SOME TYPE OF, UM, EITHER C M U OR OTHER NON-COMBUSTIBLE CONSTRUCTION WALL.

OBVIOUSLY, SETBACKS AND DISTANCES ARE GONNA BE LOOKED AT.

SO HOW FAR IS IT FROM PUBLIC ACCESS IN THE PARKING LOT? HOW FAR IS IT FROM THE, THE SHOPPING MALL ITSELF? AND THEN WE WOULD TAILOR THOSE, THOSE WALLS TO THAT LEVEL OF PROTECTION NECESSARY.

IN GENERAL, IF YOU TAKE A C M U WALL AND, AND MORTAR FILL IT WITH GROUT, YOU HAVE THREE TO FOUR HOUR BARRIER AGAINST ANY SIGNIFICANT FIRE EVENT, BASICALLY EVERYTHING WOULD GO UP.

SO IT'S A, IT'S A RELATIVELY ROBUST LEVEL OF PROTECTION, AND YOU CAN ALSO MAKE IT NON-PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE PRETTY EASY BY JUST LOCKING THE DOOR THAT GOES TO THE AREA.

AND, AND TO, TO ADD ON MIKE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT MIKE HAD SAID, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE CODES AND STANDARDS NOW ALSO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO, UH, SECURITY MEASURES, UH, AROUND THESE SYS THESE SYSTEMS. UM, AND THE, THE REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, REALLY REGARDLESS OF THE OCCUPANCY, YOU KNOW, STILL APPLY.

UH, WHAT ABOUT TOXIC FUMES ON, YOU KNOW, WHICH TESLA SAYS, YOU KNOW, COULD EXIST? SO, YEAH, AND ANY, ANY FIRE YOU'LL DEVELOP, BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY INCOMPLETE BURNING, YOU'RE GONNA DEVELOP VARIOUS TOXIC GASES.

IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE BURNING.

AND IN SOMETHING LIKE AN ELECTRICAL STORAGE SYSTEM, YOU'LL GET A LOT OF HALOGENATED GASES BECAUSE IT'S VERY COMMON TO USE P V C POLYVINYL CHLORIDE.

IT'S THE PLASTIC THAT YOU USE IN YOUR SPRINKLER PIPES OUT OUTSIDE.

UM, INCOMPLETE COMBUSTION OF THAT LEADS TO HYDROGEN CHLORIDE GAS.

YOU COULD ALSO HAVE STUFF UNRELATED TO A BATTERY.

AND JUST AN EXAMPLE, IF, IF YOU BURN UP YOUR, YOUR COUCH IN YOUR HOUSE, YOU'RE GONNA GET TOXIC GASES COMING OUTTA THAT TOO.

UM, THE CONCERN OFTEN WITH THESE BATTERY SYSTEMS IS BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE A DEGREE OF FLUORINE IN SOME OF THE CHEMISTRY IS THAT YOU GET HF GAS.

IT'S, IT'S NOT EQUIVALENT TO HAVING SOMEONE SAY, OPEN UP A CYLINDER OF PURE HF GAS AND HAVE THAT VENT OFF.

IT'S, THAT WOULD BE A COMP WOULDN'T BE AN APPROPRIATE COMPARISON.

UM, IF YOU HAD A FIRE IN A FURNITURE STORE, YOU WOULD EXPECT JUST AS MUCH TOXIC GAS AS YOU WOULD IN A BATTERY SYSTEM.

UM, I, YEAH, YOU, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CHEMISTRY, THE INDIVIDUAL BATTERIES.

UM, IN THE CASE OF TESLA BATTERIES IN PARTICULAR, I HAVE A, PROBABLY A SLIGHTLY HIGHER LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE DUE TO SOME PROJECTS I'VE WORKED ON.

AND THEY, THEY WILL EVOLVE HF IN A FIRE.

THEY WILL NOT EVOLVE IT TO ANY DEGREE.

BASICALLY, ANY, ANY FIRE WITH PLASTICS IS GONNA HAVE TOXIC BYPRODUCTS.

EVEN FIRE WITH REGULAR ORGANICS HAS TOXIC BYPRODUCTS.

BUT I THINK WE'RE ALL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH A CAMPFIRE, SO TO SPEAK, THAN WE ARE WITH A, A CAR OR ELECTRICAL FIRE.

PAUL, DO YOU HAVE MORE? THAT'S IT, KEN,

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YOU'RE ON MUTE.

KEN.

NO, I'M GOOD, THANK YOU.

I I I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, DO YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH WORKING WITH MUNICIPALITIES WRITING A CODE, WHICH IS ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE, SO THAT IF WE WERE TO WRITE A CODE, YOU COULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OH NO, THAT SETBACK IS NOT APPROPRIATE.

IT REALLY SHOULD BE X, Y, Z.

UM, PERHAPS AROUND THIS, THERE SHOULD BE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF A WALL.

UH, THERE SHOULD BE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF BALLS AROUND, YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF THINGS, OR IT'S JUST NOT APPROPRIATE THERE.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

SO, UM, SO I WAS, I WAS GONNA SAY, SORRY FOR, FOR SMILING.

UM, I ACTUALLY, WHAT ROB DIDN'T TELL YOU, AND NEITHER DID I, I WORKED FOR THE CITY OF SAN SAN JOSE FOR ALMOST 12 YEARS AS A FIRE INSPECTOR FOR THEM BEFORE I LEFT AND CAME BACK INTO PRIVATE INDUSTRY.

SO I, I DO HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH CODES AND STANDARDS AND HOW TO WRITE 'EM, UM, AND WORKED A LOT WITH OUR ZONING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT ON SOME OF THE LOCAL REGULATIONS THAT WE HAD AT THE TIME, AND DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF, ROB.

SO I'LL LET YOU GO NOW.

AND AND FURTHER TO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, AS I I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING, YOU KNOW, I'M ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN, IN THE CODE DIVISION PROCESS DOWN IN, IN NEW YORK CITY, UH, YOU KNOW, IN, UH, WRITING THE NEXT, OR WRITING THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE NEXT REVISIONS OF THE NEW YORK CITY BUILDING CODE.

UM, YOU KNOW, BEEN DOING THAT FOR THE LAST, UH, YOU KNOW, SIX OR SO YEARS.

UM, AND ASIDE FROM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LOCAL JURISDICTION, WELL LEVEL ALSO INVOLVED AT, UH, THE NATIONAL LEVEL WITH SOME N F P A STANDARDS IN, UM, YOU KNOW, WRITING REVISIONS TO, TO THOSE LOCALS, THE, THOSE STANDARDS.

SO YES, I, I THINK OVERALL, YES, YOU KNOW, WE AT AR ARE, ARE, UH, HAVE EXPERIENCE AT, UH, YOU KNOW, WRITING AND, AND PROVIDING INPUT INTO CODE REVISIONS, UH, AND OR CODE LANGUAGE.

WHAT YOU WANT TO ADDRESS ARE SPECIAL LOCAL CONDITIONS THAT, THAT ARE ADDRESSED IN A UNIFORM WAY SO THAT IT DOESN'T DISADVANTAGE OR GIVE AN ADVANTAGE TO ANY PARTICULAR GROUP OR MANUFACTURER TRYING, TRYING TO DEVELOP A TECHNOLOGY.

YOU WANNA MAKE IT PROTECTIVE OF THE COMMUNITY AND THEN GO FROM THERE AND, AND TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THOSE LOCAL CONDITIONS.

SO THE CLASSIC EXAMPLE OUT HERE IN CALIFORNIA IS WE HAVE THESE EARTHQUAKE THINGS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.

THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN YOU WANT TO GO AND HAVE A STRONG EARTHQUAKE CODE IN SOMEWHERE THAT DOESN'T HAVE EARTHQUAKES COMING THROUGH.

CONVERSELY, I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT TORNADOES FOR THE MOST PART.

SO OUR WIND, OUR WIND RESISTANCE REQUIREMENTS CAN BE REDUCED.

SO YEAH, OUT OUTSIDE THE BUILDING, 800 KILOWATTS, IT'S 800 KILOWATTS IS NOT REALLY A, A CHALLENGE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

UM, YOU HAVE THE ENCLOSURES IN WHICH THE, THE BATTERY U P S SYSTEM SIT, THEY, THEY, YOU DON'T HAVE HEAT BUILDUP ISSUES.

IF YOU DO HAVE A FIRE ISSUE, YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE A IMPACT TO THE STRUCTURE, TO THE, PEOPLE KEEP CAPTURING THE SMOKE WITHIN THE BUILDING.

SO AN OUTDOOR INSTALLATION IS PRETTY EASY TO SET UP AND TAKE CARE OF.

UM, I'VE, OH, GO AHEAD, ROB.

YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, MIKE, THE, SOME, SOME OF THE, THE INSTALLATIONS THAT THE, THE FOUR EXAMPLES THAT THE MIKE HAD DISCUSSED ON, ON THE SLIDE, UM, I BELIEVE ALL OF THOSE WERE LARGER THAN THE, THE 800 KILOWATTS THAT, UH, YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT.

I'M JUST SAYING IN GENERAL, THERE COULD BE ONE OTHER ONE.

REALLY COMES DOWN TO PRETTY MUCH JUST PROTECTING THE SYSTEM FROM THE COMMUNITY AND ISOLATING IT, WHICH IS VERY EASY TO DO IF, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE OUTSIDE AND YOU HAVE SPACE, IT'S, IT'S NOT A HUGE TECHNICAL CHALLENGE TO DO THAT.

WE ACTUALLY, UM, BACK, WE DO A LOT OF DATA CENTERS THAT, AND PRIOR TO THE CURRENT GENERATION IN WHICH EVERYTHING SITS INSIDE RACKS IN THE BUILDING, THE WAY IT USED TO BE DONE IS YOU'D HAVE A LOT OF YOUR U P S SYSTEMS EITHER IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT OR IMMEDIATELY OUTSIDE THE FACILITY, AND THE SIZE OF THOSE CAN GO INTO THE TENS, TWENTIES, HUNDREDS OF MEGAWATTS.

UM, IT'S PREFERABLE FROM OUR STANDPOINT OF SAFETY PEOPLE TO DO THAT.

'CAUSE IF WE HAVE IT OUTSIDE, IT'S, UH, IT'S EASIER TO CREATE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT.

IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AS PREFERABLE FROM ENERGY STANDPOINT OF MANAGING AND PROTECTING FROM THE ELEMENTS.

BUT IN THE, IN THE CASE OF AN 800 KILOWATT SYSTEM, HONESTLY, IT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL SYSTEM AND IT'S ALL WEATHERIZED AND CONTAINED.

SO IT, IT

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ROBERT, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE, UH, NYSERDA MODEL LAW THAT WAS RELEASED IN DECEMBER, UH, FOR LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES TO USE AS A, BASICALLY A BOILER PLATE, UH, YEAH.

GUIDANCE AND, AND TO GIVE, UH, GUIDANCE.

DO YOU KNOW OF ANY, ANY MUNICIPALITY THAT'S ACTUALLY WORKING WITH THAT AND USING IT TO COME UP WITH A LOCAL LAW? SO, UM, SPECIFICALLY USING THAT NOTE, UH, NEW YORK CITY DOES HAVE A LOCAL LAW THAT THEY DID RELEASE, UH, BACK IN, I BELIEVE IT WAS LATE 2019, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSES, YOU KNOW, INSTALLATIONS WITHIN NEW YORK CITY.

DO YOU THINK THE NEW YORK CITY ONE IS STRICTER THAN THE MODEL LAW? UM, NEW YORK CITY ONE DEFINITELY HAS SOME MORE CHALLENGES TO ADDRESS.

SO I, I WOULD SAY IT'S, IT'S A FAIR PRESUMPTION, YES.

AND, AND YOU WOULD FEEL COMPETENT GIVING US GUIDANCE ON THE NEW YORK CITY ONE IF IT'S, UM, HAS A HIGHER STANDARD THAN, THAN NYSERDA? YEAH, I MEAN, I, I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, THE, IN MANY INSTANCES, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICATION WITHIN, UH, YOU KNOW, NEW YORK CITY IS, IS, UH, SOMEWHAT UNIQUE BECAUSE OF THE DEBT, THE DENSE, YOU KNOW, POPULATION OF, OF BUILDINGS.

YEAH, THE, THE NEW NEW YORK CITY IS EXTREMELY RESTRICTIVE IN THE USE AND LOCATION OF BATTERIES.

I'M VERY, I'M VERY WELL AWARE.

THAT'S WHY I , IT'S, IT'S EXTREMELY .

THEY HAVE THEIR OWN REGULATIONS, BUT, UH, FOR THOSE THAT ARE CONCERNED THAT IT, IT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY DEALING WITH, YOU KNOW, WE GET ABOUT 20 TO 30 FEET BETWEEN HOUSES.

YOU HAVE NO SPACE BETWEEN HOUSES IN MANY CASES IN NEW YORK CITY.

UM, SO OBVIOUSLY THEY MIGHT, THEY THEY MIGHT HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS.

SO, UH, AND, UH, ANOTHER, UM, THOUGHT AND AND CONCERN IS IN THE LOCATION OF, OF THE BS SYSTEM, IT IS ALSO POSSIBLE TO LOOK AT IF, IF THERE IS A FAILURE, WHAT, WHAT IS THE EXPOSURE DOWNWIND, LITERALLY, UM, TO IDENTIFY BETTER, A BETTER LOCATION.

IF THERE'S A CONCERN THAT A PARTICULAR LOCATION COULD FAIL, IMPACT A SENSITIVE RECEPTOR LIKE A SCHOOL, A CHURCH, A HOSPITAL.

THAT'S WHEN YOU LOOK AT, IS THIS A GOOD LOCATION OR DO WE RELOCATE IT TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY OR, OR A DIFFERENT PLACE.

UM, BECAUSE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ACUTE HAZARD, THEN THAT'S USUALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE A ACUTE SHORT TERM, DOES IT KILL YOU, THIS INCIDENT HAZARD? BUT THERE'S ALSO A CONCERN OF EXPOSURE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO AN INCIDENT.

EVEN THOUGH THAT INCIDENT MIGHT ONLY HAPPEN ONE IN 10,000, ONE IN A MILLION, IT'S STILL SOMETHING YOU WANT TO CONSIDER IN YOUR LOCATION, IN YOUR SIGHTING OF, OF ANY SYSTEM THAT HAS A, A HAZARDOUS POTENTIAL.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP SEVERAL TIMES IS IN THE UNLIKELY CASE THAT THERE IS A FIRE, UM, WE'VE SEEN PICTURES, WE PROBABLY SAW THE SAME ONE.

SOUTH KOREA, THEY'RE SHOWING YOU BATTERY, BASICALLY ROOM WITH THE DOOR OPEN AND FLAMES COMING OUT AND YOU KNOW, IT'S TOXIC AND YOU JUST HAVE TO LET IT BURN OUT.

I ALWAYS WONDER WHY THEY OPEN THE DOOR.

'CAUSE THAT'S JUST GOING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION, , BUT, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD PICTURE.

UM, ARE THERE METHODOLOGIES THAT CAN BE USED SHOULD THE UNUSUAL CASE OF A FIRE HAPPENING, UH, THAT WOULD CAUSE ANY FUMES THAT COME OFF TO REDIRECT AND, AND BE FUNNELED VERTICALLY AS OPPOSED TO, UM, PASSING TO WHATEVER HAPPENS TO BE NEXT TO 'EM HORIZONTALLY? YEAH, YOU, IF YOU, YOU COULD INFECT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH AN ENCLOSED SPACE AND, AND ESSENTIALLY UP BLAST FANS, WHETHER THAT WOULD BE PRACTICAL OR NOT WOULD BE A, A DIFFERENT CONSIDERATION.

UM, IN, IN FACT, IN SOME CASES, AS YOU WERE SAYING, IT'S BETTER TO LET THINGS BURN THAN TO NOT LET THEM BURN.

IN THE CASE OF A, A LOT OF THE FAILURES THAT YOU'VE SEEN,

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LIKE YOU SAID, BY OPENING THE DOOR, YOU ACTUALLY CAN INTRODUCE A FAILURE THAT WOULD NOT HAVE EXISTED OTHERWISE.

UM, AND THAT'S A, THAT'S AN ISSUE OF TRAINING.

MOST OF THE MANUFACTURERS WILL PROVIDE THAT AS, AS PART OF THE PURCHASE, BUT IT'S, IT IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.

I, I WOULD SAY IN GENERAL, IN AN OUTDOOR INSTALLATION, I WOULD NOT ACTUALLY TRY TO FORCE THE SMOKE TO GO ANYWHERE, BUT LET IT GO WHERE IT'S GONNA GO NATURALLY.

THE REASON BEING IS BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A RARE EVENT, 364 DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR, THE WIND'S ALWAYS GONNA BLOW TO THE SOUTH.

YOU, YOU USUALLY LOSE AT THE END OF THE DAY.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I SHOULD MENTION, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY SAID THAT, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CANNOT EXTINGUISH ELECTRICAL FIRES SUCH AS BURNING OR, UH, OR ARING WIRES OR SPARKING WIRES THAT HAVE BEEN HIT BY FOREIGN OBJECTS ONLY KIND THAT HAS THE, THE CA CAPABILITY OF TURNING OF POWER AND RESOLVING THE SITUATION.

UM, UM, SO THE ISSUE IS, UM, HOW COULD A FIRE DISTRICT SIGN OFF ON A BATTERY FACILITY THAT IS UNMANNED? I'M NOT, I'M NOT QUITE UNDERSTANDING.

YES, I, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD, WHY WOULD THEY SIGN OFF ON IT? IS THAT THE QUESTION? HOW, HOW, HOW IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO EXTINGUISH ELECTRICAL FIRES IN ENERGIZED ELECTRICAL CONDUCTORS? YEAH, YOU, YOU, YOU MISINTERPRETED, UH, WHAT, UH, WHAT WAS WRITTEN THERE? CONED IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN DEGEN.

WELL, THERE, THERE ARE CERTAIN CERTIFIED PEOPLE.

WE HAVE ONE IN, IN TOWN.

UH, BUT IN GENERAL, CON ED HAS TO DE-ENERGIZE THE WIRES BEFORE ANYBODY CAN DO ANYTHING.

OUR TOWN CAN'T GO IN AND JUST START CUTTING TREES AROUND WIRES.

CON ED HAS TO DE-ENERGIZE THE WIRES.

SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS, UM, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S NOBODY GOING TO BE AT THE ENERGY STORAGE FACILITY, UM, SO-CALLED MANNING IT, UM, HOW, HOW COULD THAT POSSIBLY BE APPROVED? UH, UH, I DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT PARTICULAR QUESTION MYSELF, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE TRANSFORMERS IN EVERY POLE, AND THEY CAN GO ON FIRE AND GIVE ALL VERY TOXIC GASES, AND YOU DON'T HAVE A CONED DRESSING OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, WAITING TO SEE IF THAT HAPPENS.

IT'S, IT'S A VERY RARE EVENT.

BUT THE QUESTION IS, THE QUESTION I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS, SHOULD A FIRE OCCUR, HOW IS ENERGY, UM, DISCONNECTED FROM THE ENTIRE SITE? OR IS IT DISCONNECTED FROM THE INDIVIDUAL COMPARTMENT? IS THAT ALL, IS THAT ALL DONE ON REMOTELY OR AUTOMATICALLY? OR HOW IS IT EVEN IN ADVANCE OF SOMEBODY COMING AND ADDRESSING THE FAILURE? OKAY.

THE INDIVIDUAL CELL, AND AT THE POINT THAT A FIRE STARTED, YOU'RE NO LONGER WORRIED ABOUT SHORTCIRCUITING THINGS.

UM, AND IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU, WE COULD, WE COULD ADVISE ON AND, AND GIVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY COULD ANSWER AND, AND, UH, PROVIDE GUIDANCE ON.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, MIKE, IF IF YOU JUST, IF YOU'VE GOT SOME, UM, YOU KNOW, QUICK, HIGH LEVEL ADVICE MAYBE, WELL, YEAH, I WAS JUST, I WAS GONNA SAY, IN IN GENERAL WITH B E S SYSTEMS, WITH, ESPECIALLY WITH LITHIUM ION TECHNOLOGY OR LITHIUM, WELL, YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE LITHIUM ION HERE.

UM, ESSENTIALLY THE POWER FEED FROM CONED WOULD BE DISCONNECTED, I'M ASSUMING, THROUGH A REMOTE BREAKER, USUALLY CONTROLLED EITHER BY CONED AND OR THE POWER SYSTEM ITSELF.

UM, ALL THE SYSTEMS ARE MONITORED REMOTELY BY THE MANUFACTURER.

THEY LOOK AT, UM, INDIVIDUAL CELL VOLTAGES, THAT'S AND DISCHARGE.

THAT'S HOW THEY START TO PREDICT, TRY TO PREDICT IF A FAILURE'S OCCURRING.

BUT IF A FIRE DOES OCCUR, ESSENTIALLY THE BATTERY SYSTEM IS DISCONNECTED FROM THE ENERGY GRID AND THEN THE DECISION WOULD NEED TO BE MADE.

DO YOU, DO YOU TRY TO EXTINGUISH IT OR DO YOU LET IT BURN OUT? UM, IN GENERAL, THE BEST WAY TO EXTINGUISH THESE BATTERY FIRES IS MASSES OF WATER.

IT, IT'S, YOU'RE TRYING TO TAKE THE HEAT AWAY FROM

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SO HUGE HOSE STREAMS ARE A GREAT WAY TO CONTROL THE FIRE.

FRANCIS, MAY I? YES.

WELL, HI, MY NAME'S WALTER GRODEN.

I'M AN 8 55 COMMITTEE MEMBER, AND I'VE MET MR. ACOSTA BEFORE.

UH, PART OF THE ISSUE THAT IS GOING ON WITH THIS QUESTIONING IS CONSOLIDATED MEDICINE.

OUR LOCAL ELECTRIC UTILITY DOES DO EMERGENCY RESPONSE, AND WE LOOK AT THEM AS ONE OF THE COPOS TO THE FIRE SERVICE WHEN THEY COME IN.

AND THEY ASSIST US A GREAT DEAL, AND WE DON'T TAKE EXTINGUISHING ACTION UNTIL THEY RENDER SAFE.

UH, AND ONCE THEY DO THAT, THEN WE WILL TAKE EXTINGUISHING ACTION.

PART OF THE ISSUE HERE IS THE BEST IS PRIVATELY OWNED.

WE DO NOT KNOW IT'S AT THIS POINT WHAT THE UTILITY WILL OR WILL NOT DO.

THE SECOND ISSUE IS, EVEN IF IT IS DISCONNECTED FROM INCOMING AND OUTGOING VOLTAGES, IT STILL CONTAINS STRANDED ENERGY.

AND THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT CONCERN FOR FIRST RESPONDERS.

AND HOW THAT GETS DEALT WITH THE EMERGENCY ACTION PLAN, WHICH YOU REFERRED TO, MIKE, SHOULD HAVE ADDRESS THAT IN SOME EXTENSIVE DETAIL.

UH, AND WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.

THE CITY HAS DONE THESE BEFORE AND HAS THOUGHT SOME OF THIS STUFF OUT.

WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT SIMILAR, UH, PRIVILEGE YET.

THAT'S ONE OF THE AREAS I THINK IF RETAINED YOUR FIRM WOULD BE, UH, UH, ASSISTING THE COMMUNITY WITH NO, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID, WALT.

THE, UM, WHAT HAPPENED IN ARIZONA WAS, I MEAN, YOU CAN GET INTO THE LEGALITY OF A BACK AND FORTH, BUT IT WAS ESSENTIALLY A FAILURE OF COMMUNICATION WITH THE RESPONDING AGENCY CAUSED BY, THERE WERE VARIOUS FACTORS THAT CAUSED IT, BUT HAD THEY BEEN BETTER INFORMED, THEY NEVER WOULD'VE OPENED THE DOOR, LITERALLY.

SO WHAT WE WOULD NEED THEN, AS PART OF OUR PROPOSED LOCAL LAW IS GUIDANCE IN THOSE TYPE OF BEST PRACTICES AND WHAT TRAINING IS NECESSARY AND WHAT WE SHOULD REQUIRE BE PROVIDED TO OUR LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND FIRE COMPANIES.

IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN PROVIDE? YEAH, I MEAN, SO SOME OF THAT'S ALREADY COVERED IN THE STANDARDS, THE MINIMUMS THAT'S REQUIRED.

UM, FROM A ACTUAL TRAINING STANDPOINT, I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST DEFERRING STRONGLY TO THE MANUFACTURER OF WHATEVER BS IS SELECTED.

WE COULD REVIEW AND SAY WHETHER WE NOT AGREE, YOU WOULD, I THINK YOU WOULD ALSO WANT THAT REVIEW TO INCLUDE THE FIRE AGENCY THAT'S RESPONDING AND, AND CONED TOO, TO MAKE SURE IT'S WITHIN THE CAPABILITIES THAT THEY POSSESS.

BECAUSE A MANUFACTURER CAN SAY, DO X, Y, Z, BUT IF I DON'T HAVE AN ENGINE, OR I'M ONLY CARRYING A THOUSAND GALLONS OF WATER AND I DON'T HAVE A HYDRANT TO TAP, IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.

IF I'M SUPPOSED TO PUT 10,000 GALLONS OUT, I CAN'T.

SO IT'S, IT'S CAN'T JUST BE ARUP PROVIDING GUIDANCE.

ARUP CAN PROVIDE REVIEW AND COMMENT AND THEN MAKE SURE WE'RE TRYING TO GET ALL THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO THE TABLE.

ANYONE ELSE? VERY GOOD.

THE, THE CONED SERVICE OR WHOEVER'S PROVIDING THE ELECTRICAL SERVICE TO THE BUILDING, TO THE SITE, THE, THE WATER GOING THROUGH THE BATTERY PACK AND THEN COMING OUT DOES ISN'T ENERGIZED.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO.

MIKE, DO YOU HAVE A, YEAH, THIS MAY, THIS MIGHT BE AN IGNORANT QUESTION, BUT I'D LIKE TO ASK IT ANYWAY.

'CAUSE I THINK SOME OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA, UM, OF THESE PROPOSED FACILITIES HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS.

WE'VE HEARD, UM, WHAT, UH, ROB AND MIKE, YOU BOTH SAID ABOUT THE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF WATER USED, UH, IF THERE SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE UNFORTUNATE EVENT AND UNLIKELY EVENT OF A FIRE.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, UH, PARTICULARLY WITH REGARD TO, UM, UH, WITH REGARD TO THE SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, FULL OF LOCAL RESIDENTS, UM, DOES THAT WATER THAT USED TO PUT OUT THE, UM, NOT NECESSARILY TO PUT OUT, BUT TO CONTAIN THE, THE FIRE FROM SPREADING, DOES THAT CARRY ELECTRICITY WITH IT? NO.

SO NO TO, WELL, ASSUMING THAT THE ELECTRICITY HAS BEEN CUT OFF

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THE BA THE BATTERIES ARE SHORTING OUT IN THE FIRE, AND THEY WOULD ALSO SHORT OUT AND DISCHARGE AS THE WATER GOES THROUGH.

BUT IT, IF YOU WERE TO HAVE A, A RUNOFF COMING ACROSS, SAY THE, THE PARKING LOT, THAT SHOULD NOT BE ENERGIZED.

SO THAT, THAT, THAT SHOULD NOT BE ENERGIZED AND GROUND BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY GROUNDED.

IT'S, IT'S ALREADY SITTING ON THE GROUND, AND IT'S ALSO NOT CONNECTING TO CONDUCTORS.

THE, THE CONNECTION OF THE CONDUCTORS IS OCCURRING INSIDE THE, THE B E S UNIT, THE BATTERY UNIT ITSELF.

IT'S NOT OCCURRING ON THE WATER THAT'S, THAT'S GOING ON OUT.

SO IF YOU DID, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE MIKE, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE A SHUTOFF AT THE BEGINNING, WOULD THERE BE ELECTRIFIED WATER? I, IT'S, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY, IF SAY THE, UH, THE MAIN POWER TO THE BUILDING IS NOT SHUT OFF, THEN THEORETICALLY A PERSON COULD END UP BEING THE GROUND POINT BETWEEN WHEREVER THAT FEED COMES IN AND THE WATERS THE CONDUCTOR OVER TO THEM.

THAT WOULD BE THE SAME AS IN ANY, ANY STRUCTURE OR, OR BUILDING FIRE.

BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S UNLIKELY, BUT IT, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT SCENARIOS THAT THAT COULD OCCUR.

UM, AN EXAMPLE COULD BE IF, IF YOU HAD A HOT TUB AND A CONDUCTOR WAS EXPOSED AND SOME ASKING ABOUT HOT TUB, I'M JUST SAYING, WHAT IF, WHAT IF THE, THERE'S A FIRE AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AUTOMATICALLY TURNED OFF AND WHATEVER.

AND I'M NOT CLEAR ON WHAT THE SYSTEM IS TO TURNING IT OFF, WHETHER IT'S CONED OR WHETHER IT HAPPENS REMOTELY BY THE OPERATOR, OR WHETHER IT HAPPENS BY THE MANUFACTURER.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

YEAH, TO YOUR, TO YOUR POINT, MIKE, THEY, THEY SHOULD NOT START ANY SUPPRESSION EFFORT UNTIL THEY'VE GOT CLEARANCE FROM THE ELECTRICAL UTILITY BEFORE THEY, YEAH.

IF, IF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SHOWED UP AND JUST STARTED HOSING IT DOWN, THAT WOULD NOT BE A GOOD THING.

AND TO WHAT WALT WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, THAT'S THE EXACT TYPE OF THING YOU WANNA PREVENT FROM HAPPENING IS SO, SO IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A PLANNING AND COORDINATION THING THAT WE HAVE TO OKAY.

AND, AND FRANCIS, IT'S JUST ONE FOLLOW UP.

IF, IF, IF WE HAD A CODE THAT SAID THE VARIOUS TYPE OF HAZARDOUS PLAN, YOU KNOW, EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLANS, COORDINATION PLANS, HAZARDOUS, UH, SHUTOFF PLANS HAD TO BE SUBMITTED IN WRITING, DOES WOULD, DOES YOUR, WOULD YOUR FIRM, OBVIOUSLY FOR A FEE PAID FOR BY THE APPLICANT, WOULD THEY REVIEW AND CONSULT ON THE SUFFICIENCY OF THOSE IN THE PARTICULAR SITUATION? YEAH, WE, WE COULD DO THAT.

AND AS I WAS SAYING EARLIER, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO COORDINATE THAT WITH THE FIRST RESPONDERS.

UM, IT WOULDN'T JUST, I, I COULD MAKE MY COMMENTS, BUT I WOULD HONESTLY, I WOULD INSIST THAT THEY ALSO MAKE THEIR COMMENTS.

OH, YEAH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

UM, BUT YEAH, WE, WE COULD CONSULT ON THOSE AND I WOULD ACTUALLY SUGGEST THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MIKE, IS AN APPROPRIATE ACTION TO TAKE IT, IT SHOULD BE IN WRITING IS APPROPRIATE OR INAPPROPRIATE.

IT IS APPROPRIATE.

IT'S APPROPRIATE.

THEY, THERE, IT SHOULD BE, THERE SHOULD BE NO QUESTION THAT THERE'S A WRITTEN EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN PROVIDED WITH ANY SYSTEM THAT GOES IN THAT, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S A GIVEN THAT HAS TO BE DONE.

IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT TO PUT ONE IN AND NOT HAVE ANY PLAN IN PLACE.

THAT, THAT WOULD JUST NOT BE A GOOD IDEA AT ALL.

THANK YOU, FRANCIS.

ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

GOOD.

THANK YOU MUCH, MUCH, MIKE.

ROBERT, REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

NEXT WE HAVE THE PURCHASE ORDERS AND THEN THE AGENDA REVIEW.

AND, UM, GARRETT, WOULD YOU, UH, I THINK WE SAID, UH, TO WALTER AND YOU THAT WE WERE GONNA, UH, UM, EMAIL THEM A COUPLE MINUTES BEFORE? WILL DO, WILL DO.

I JUST SENT HIM A NOTE.

OH, .

SORRY.

GOOD EVENING.

UH, THIS IS GONNA BE QUITE SHORT.

UH, THERE'S ONLY TWO REQUISITIONS, UH, THAT I HAVE ON THE SPREADSHEET.

UH, THE FIRST ONE IS FROM THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

IT'S FOR

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$3,995.

IT'S FOR VINYL FLOORING TO BE PUT IN THE ADMINISTRATION AREA, UH, AND THE SECRETARY NUTRITION AREAS.

UM, I HAD ASKED JOE OR JERRY TO BE HERE TO TRY AND EXPLAIN THAT I'M HERE.

JOE IS HERE.

JERRY, YOU ON? I'M HERE.

AND JERRY'S HERE TOO.

YOU GUYS SEE HIM? YEAH.

I, I'LL JUST GIVE A A QUICK, UM, OVER, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UH, ABOUT ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, WE PUT IN A, UH, CARPET SYSTEM.

UH, WE HAD SOME FLOODING CALLED LITTLE, UH, MOLDING.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO CLEAN IT UP TO MAKE IT SAFE.

UM, AND WE THOUGHT WITH COVID, UH, TRYING TO SANITIZE THE FLOORS EASIER, UH, SINCE THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC SOMETIMES FROM THE KITCHEN THAT GOES THROUGH THE SECRETARY'S OFFICE TO THE NUTRITION OFFICE, THAT WE WOULD DUPLICATE THE SAME FLOORING SYSTEM WE HAVE IN THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING FOR ALL THE HALLWAYS, ALL, ALL THE WAY, UH, THE BACK OFFICES, UH, ALONG WITH, UH, THE REGISTRATION AREA.

SO WE THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PRICE, IT'S, UH, VERY WELL WORTH IT, UH, TO EXTEND IT INTO THOSE TWO OFFICES.

DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW MANY SQUARE FEET THAT WOULD BE? UM, I, WE HAD IT DOWN, UM, THE EXACT AMOUNT I DON'T HAVE.

I CAN GET THAT TO YOU BEFORE THE MEETING.

'CAUSE WE DID, WE DID GET A PRICE CODE ON THE REQUISITION.

I DON'T KNOW IF PETE HAS IT ON THE REQUISITION AND I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.

THE ONLY WAY WE'LL KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS.

WELL, I, THIS SQUARE FOOTAGE, IT'S, IT'S TOO, IT'S, IT'S A REALLY GOOD PRICE.

I, I, I CAN GET THAT TO YOU AND SEND IT TO THE BOARD, UH, TOMORROW MORNING.

YEAH, JERRY DID REPRICE IT OUT.

SO IT, IT SEEMS TO BE A VERY FAIR PRICE COMPARED TO, UH, THE GOING RATE.

SO SOMETHING, SO PETE, YOU'VE SEEN THE SQUARE FOOT? UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS ON THE REQUISITION.

I DON'T HAVE THE REQUISITION IN FRONT OF ME AS LONG AS YOU HAVE IT AND YOU THINK IT'S A FAIR PRICE, BUT, UM, IT SEEMED LIKE A, A FAIR PRICE AS WITH ALL THE THREE, UH, PRICE QUOTES THAT WE'VE GOTTEN.

AND THE OTHER ONE IS THE CUSTOM WATER PANEL.

THE, THE NEXT ONE IS THE CUSTOM WATER PANEL FOR THE WATER DEPARTMENT.

UM, IT'S, THEY, THEY'VE REQUESTED IT TO GO THROUGH HACK, UH, WHICH IS ONE THE MANUFACTURER THAT HAS MOST OF OUR, UH, EQUIPMENT IN THE WATER SHOP AND IN OUR WATER DEPARTMENT.

UH, THIS IS NEEDED, UH, ACCORDING TO THE WATER DEPARTMENT FOR MONITORING WATER COMING IN.

AND IT'S, UH, DICTATED BY THE E P A.

UM, I HAD ASKED, UH, RICH FAWN TO COME IN AND, UH, EXPLAIN THAT I'M HERE.

PETE RICH, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE? SURE.

SO THE, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE WATER DEPARTMENT, UH, MONITORS AND DELIVERS THE WATER TO THE TOWN.

THIS, UH, PUMP STATION IS ALSO HALF OWNED BY THE VILLAGE OF IRVINGTON.

SO WHATEVER WE DO PAY, ULTIMATELY IRVINGTON IS GONNA HAVE TO PAY HALF.

THIS IS THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE SECONDARY PUMP STATION AND THE MAIN PUMP STATION SCADA SYSTEM TELLS US THE PUMPS THAT ARE ON THE TANK LEVELS, UH, BASICALLY THE BRAINS OF THE OPERATION.

SO OUR OPERATOR, WHO'S UP ON THE SECOND FLOOR, WHICH IS MANNED 24 7, OR IS OCCUPIED 24 7, UH, CAN SEE THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.

SO THIS ALLOWS THEM TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE, THE OTHER, UH, PUMP STATION.

I WILL TELL YOU, UM, THERE'S ANOTHER ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

THE PUMP STATION WAS DOWN EARLIER IN THE WEEK OR THIS PAST WEEKEND, UM, DUE TO THE, UH, YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE N I C SYSTEMS IN OUR, UH, PURCHASING, UM, IN THE PUBLIC WORKS.

AND THIS HAD TO GET DONE.

SO IT WASN'T, IT WAS EMERGENCY TYPE WORK.

I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE THOUGH IS HE SAID THAT YOU ONLY WANTED TO USE THIS ONE COMPANY, WHICH MEANS THERE WASN'T A BIDDING PROCESS INVOLVED.

BID NET OR WE, WE, UH, GO TO STATE CONTRACT THINGS THAT WE, WE DO PUT OUT TO BID OR LIKE THE MATERIALS AND SUCH.

HOW YOU WERE GETTING A GOOD PRICE.

SOME OF THIS IS PROPRIETARY.

UH, I DO KNOW THAT, UH, CHUCK MARTINS AND ANDY DONNELLY ARE CONSTANTLY OUT TRYING TO IMPROVE THE SYSTEM AND SAVE MONEY.

UM, AND I'D BE HAPPY TO GET ANY OTHER INFORMATION YOU NEED IN RESPECT TO ON STATE CONTRACT, OR IS IT ON, IS IT, OR ARE WE JUST STATING THAT THIS IS THE ONLY COMPANY WE WANT TO USE? YOU MEAN, UH, LET ME UNDERSTAND THIS.

IS THERE, IS THERE ANY OTHER CONTROL PANEL THAT, UM, CAN INTERFACE WITH THIS OR IS IT THAT WE HAVE TO, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF OBLIGATED TO GO TO THIS COMPANY? NO, THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS ON STATE NEW YORK STATE CONTRACT.

SO WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU GO TO, YOU KNOW, MOST OF WHAT WE GET IS EITHER DONE THROUGH

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BUT A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS, YOU KNOW, IS ON A CONSORTIUM NEW YORK STATE.

IT'S JUST, HONESTLY, IT'S EASIER FOR US IN A LOT OF RESPECTS.

AND WHEN WE COME TO YOU GUYS, IT'S ALREADY BEEN VETTED.

SO THIS IS OFF A NEW YORK STATE CONTRACT, AND IT'S EASIER TO GO TO, UH, ONE VENDOR AS OPPOSED TO, UH, INDIVIDUAL VENDORS.

UH, SO IT'S ALWAYS A LOT CHEAPER, UH, WHEN YOU'VE USED ONE PARTICULAR VENDOR FOR EVERYTHING.

AND I WILL NOTE THAT CHUCK ALSO PUT IN HERE THIS WATER QUALITY MONITORING IS REQUIRED AS PART OF THE SAFE WATER DRINKING ACT, UM, AS WILL BE AN ENTRY POINT FOR THE NEW TRANSMISSION MAIN THAT WE'RE PUTTING, UH, FROM BROOK TO THE, THE EXISTING STATION.

AND IT'S ALSO EASIER TO GO ON STATE BID THAN TO DEAL WITH PETE.

SORRY, PETE.

NO, IT'S .

AS LONG AS IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S ON STATE CONTRACT.

YES, THAT'S FAIR.

YEP.

IT'S MY INITIAL HEARING OF IT WAS YOU LIKE THIS COMPANY, SO YOU JUST WANTED TO GO WITH THEM AND NOBODY ELSE.

BUT NO, THEY, THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, AT THE WATER DEPARTMENT, A LOT OF THE EQUIPMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES JUST NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED OR TWEAKED.

SO SOMETIMES THAT DOES HAPPEN, BUT IT IS ON STATE BID.

OKAY, THANKS PETE.

I ONLY HAVE, I HAVE ONE MORE THAT I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO PUT ON THE, UH, SPREADSHEET.

AND ONE IS FROM, FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

IT'S FOR 14 NEW BULLETPROOF VESTS.

UH, THE COST IS APPROXIMATELY A LITTLE OVER $9,000.

UH, I CHECKED WITH, UH, CAPTAIN VALENTINE AND ASKED IF WE NEED 14 VESTS.

AND, UH, HIS ANSWER WAS, A LOT OF THE VESTS ARE, ARE WORN, UH, THEY HAVE TO BE REPLACED.

AND THERE'S A FEW THERE THAT WILL BE, UH, FOR NEW POLICE OFFICERS.

SO, YOU KNOW WHAT THE NEXT QUESTION IS, ? WAS, WAS THIS PUT OUT TO BID? IS IT ON STATE CONTRACT? IT'S ON STATE CONTRACT.

THIS VENDOR IS ON STATE CONTRACT.

THE ONLY REASON I'M BRINGING IT UP IS BECAUSE IT, IT IS $9,000 AND I KNOW YOU PEOPLE LIKE TO KNOW WHERE, WHERE YOUR MONEY'S GOING.

UH, BUT I DID, UH, I DID CHECK WITH CAPTAIN VALENTINE, AND, UH, THE QUESTION WAS, DO WE NEED 14 OR CAN WE GET AWAY WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, HALF OF THAT? AND HE SAID, NO, HE, THE, THE, UH, NUMBER OF VESTS HAVE, UH, SEEN BETTER DAY AND HE WANTS, UH, ONE OR TWO FOR NEW PATROLMAN, UH, AS HE GETS HIRED.

SO THAT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PROCEDURE FOR THESE THINGS TO BE, YOU KNOW, A FEW OF THEM EACH YEAR, UH, BEING REPLACED AS OPPOSED TO HAVING MORE COME UP AT ONCE.

IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE THAT POLICY.

I SEE THE CHIEF IS NOT ON, SO WE'LL HAVE TO ASK HIM ANOTHER, I I WILL MENTION THAT TO CAPTAIN VALENTINE.

AND, UH, IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO REPLACE, UH, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE IN A YEAR AS OPPOSED TO 14 AT ONE TIME.

UH, I WILL MENTION THAT TO CAPTAIN VALENTINE WHEN I TALK TO HIM TOMORROW.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

SO SHOULD WE MOVE ON NOW WITH THE GENDER REVIEW? WE MAY.

MR. I'M NOT HOME.

I'M ON THE, AT THE BOARD MEETING NOW.

YOU KNOW, THEY MAY STILL BE MEETING WHEN, UH, WHEN WE HAVE OUR, OUR MEETING.

HEY, PETE, I SENT YOU AN EMAIL IF YOU COULD JUST, UM, TOUCH BASE WITH ME TOMORROW.

YEAH, SURE.

WE HAVE, UH, TWO MOMENTS OF SILENCE.

WELL, WE'LL INCLUDE PICTURES BY TOMORROW.

ARE THERE ANY PRESENTATIONS, PAUL? YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING, I HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW AT SIX 30, UM, TO, UH, SEVEN 30 ANGEL VA, UH, COMMITTEE.

AND, UM, I'M THINKING OF, UH, INVITING THEM.

UH, THEY'RE REALLY DOING LIKE AN, BUT

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IT'S REALLY AMAZING.

THEY HAVE 150, UM, VOLUN PLUS VOLUNTEER SO FAR.

UH, THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF TEAM LEADERS.

UM, UM, THEY HAVE SUCH AN AMAZING, UH, ORGANIZATION THAT THEY PULL TOGETHER, UH, USING, UM, GOOGLE DOCS, UH, ASSIGNING PEOPLE TO THE VOLUNTEERS.

THEY HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE, UH, UH, GONNA BE TRAINING THE VOLUNTEERS ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW THEY SHOULD DEAL WITH PEOPLE.

UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAVE A GROUP THAT'S, UH, INTERACTING WITH PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY WHO WANNA DO SOMETHING SIMILAR.

SO, BUT, AND I THINK THEY'RE GONNA START ACTUALLY MAKING THE PHONE CALL EACH TO AT LEAST 2,800 PEOPLE BE SENIORS, UM, OVER THE WEEKEND.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE ABLE TO, UM, COME TOMORROW, I'D, I'D INVITE THEM OTHERWISE, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, TWO WEEKS FROM NOW AFTER THEY REALLY GET STARTED.

BUT THIS IS BEYOND, UM, ANY EXPECTATIONS THAT I, THAT I HAD.

CAROL ALLEN'S DOING IT.

NOT AN AMAZING JOB, MORE THAN AN AMAZING JOB.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST REALLY VERY FORTUNATE THAT, UH, WE HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE SO OUTSTANDING.

SO THIS MAY BE COVID ANGELS.

WHAT? SO WE MAY HAVE COVID ANGELS ON HERE, PO YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY.

UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE YET.

YOU KNOW, IF THEY, IF THEY COULD SHOW UP, I'LL JUST CALL THEM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.

SO A QUESTION WAS RAISED REGARDING THE, UH, GLENVILLE FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT, UM, UM, THAT WE HAD, THAT WE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT BEFORE.

SO IF WE CAN'T RESOLVE THAT BY TOMORROW NIGHT, WE'LL, WE'LL BE HOLDING THIS OVER.

AND THEN WE ARE GETTING QUITE A FEW PEOPLE REQUESTING, UH, THE LINK FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR, FOR THE, UH, RIDGEWOOD ELMWOOD OWNER, RIDGEWOOD ELMWOOD OWNER, WHICH, UH, WE ALL KNOW IS ON DOT FERRY ROAD.

WE'RE GONNA BE HOLDING OVER THE GLENVILLE FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT CONTRACT FOR 2020, UH, BECAUSE OF A NOTICING ISSUE VERY WELL.

LET ME JUST ASK YOU A QUESTION FOR, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, ELM WITH YOUR MAJOR CONCERN WAS THE TAXES AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT TAXES OF FUTURE, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND THOSE YOU THINK WE COULD ASK, UM, JOAN TO, UM, SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH, UM, SENATOR COUSINS AND ASSEMBLYMAN ANTE, UH, JUST TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSAL LEGISLATION THAT WOULD TREAT, UM, FUTURE, UM, DEVELOPMENTS AS, AS RESIDENTIAL.

UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A, A FACTOR IN THIS WHOLE ISSUE THAT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE.

I DON'T THINK SHE'S ON, I THINK SHE'S .

WELL, MAYBE WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, SEE IF WE COULD SCHEDULE FOR, UH, WHAT, AND COMMISSIONERS.

SO THE ADVANTAGE OF ZOOM AND HAVING OUR EXECUTIVE SESSIONS, WE CAN APPOINT THE PERSON PUT ON THE AGENDA IMMEDIATELY.

SO WE HAVE THESE TWO PEOPLE FOR APPOINTMENT TOMORROW.

WE HAVE TO GET THE TERMS WHEN THEIR EXPIRATION DATE IS.

NOW WE SHOULD HAVE SOME TEARDROPS OVER HERE ACCEPTING THE RESERVATION.

ABANDONED ANDRE EARLY, UH, ABANDONMENT.

COUNCIL.

SHE, YES.

IS IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE THAT EDITED TO REFLECT THE COMMISSIONER OF THE DEPARTMENT AS OPPOSED TO THE FACILITY? OH, IS THAT BETTER? NO, HUMAN RESOURCES, DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY RESOURCES.

UH, YOU DON'T HAVE IPAD? THAT'S RIGHT.

UM, IS THAT BETTER? DOES THAT MEET YOUR APPROVAL, COMMISSIONER? YES, IT DOES.

ON THE JOB TILL THE END, .

HEY, WHO KNOWS? I MIGHT RESEND .

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NO WONDER HE IS LEAVING.

ALRIGHT, SO TB ONE, TB ONE IS NATIONAL GUN VIOLENCE SURVIVOR WEEK.

UH, DIDN'T WALTER OR, UH, A FEW PEOPLE WANNA SPEAK ABOUT TB TWO BEFORE? YES, I WOULD.

I'M, I'M RIGHT NOW I'M BETWEEN TWO MEETINGS AND IF, IF THERE, I LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE COULD BE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT TONIGHT.

IF NOT, I'LL GO BACK TO MY OTHER MEETING.

IF YOU ALL GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THIS ISSUE TONIGHT AND I'LL STAY.

WHAT'S YOUR CONCERN? SO MY QUESTION IS, WILL YOU BE DISCUSSED HAVING ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS TONIGHT? WE'RE DOING IT.

WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW, THE DISCUSSIONS.

WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR CONCERN, WALTER? PARDON ME? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT CONCERNS DO YOU HAVE? OH, WELL, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND, WHAT IS THE, UH, WHAT IS IT THAT THE TOWN BOARD WOULD IS LOOKING AT TO, UM, PROPOSING, UH, FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO DO? UH, HOW THE STRUCTURE OF THE COMMITTEE, WHAT WILL BE THE MANDATE OF THAT COMMITTEE? UH, WHEN DO YOU EXPECT THE, UH, RESPONSE OF THE COMMITTEE? IS THE COMMITTEE LOOKING AT THE LAW, THE POSSIBLE LAW, OR IS THE COMMITTEE LOOKING AT THE MEMO, UH, MORATORIUM OR BOTH? SO I'D JUST LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

COULD YOU PULL UP THE RESOLUTION SO THIS WAY PEOPLE COULD SAY IT? OKAY.

IT MADE A LITTLE SMALLER BECAUSE THE WORDS ARE GOING TO BE CUT OFF ON CABLE BECAUSE OF THE PICTURE SUPERVISOR.

AND, AND, AND IF I COULD, UH, IN SHORT, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR, SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS, WALTER? YES.

UM, I, I, I SEE, I SEE THE COMMITTEE.

JARED.

JUST LET US READ THIS.

UH, I, WE CERTAINLY WANNA HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT COULD WE JUST HAVE A ANOTHER COUPLE MINUTES TO READ THIS, PLEASE? COULD YOU SCROLL IT UP, FRANCIS? I GOT THE FIRST FOUR WAREHOUSES IN THE FAST RATE OR A FULL, I SCROLL IT DOWN.

THAT ALL PROPOSAL RECOMMENDATION.

FIVE WAREHOUSES.

AND THEN, THEN OF COURSE WE GET FROM, WE HAVE A CONTACT TO READ IT.

KEEP GOING UP PLEASE.

ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S IT.

I APOLOGIZE FOR CUTTING YOU OFF.

NO PROBLEM.

NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I ENVISION THIS FUNCTIONING VERY SIMILAR TO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE C C F, UH, UH, UH, PRIOR TO THE C C F LEGISLATION, UM, THAT USE WAS NOT PERMITTED IN THE TOWN.

UH, WE WORKED WITH, UH, RESIDENTS AND, YOU KNOW, UH, DISCUSSED IDEAS, DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, IMPACTS NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER AND, UH, JUST WORKED COLLABORATIVELY IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF A LOCAL LAW.

SO I KNOW, YOU KNOW, MANY ON THE CALL HERE, UH, THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE, WERE A PART OF THAT PROCESS.

SO I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

IT'S NOTHING, UH, MORE COMPLEX.

ONE QUESTION.

UH, I DID NOT, UH, YOU TOOK IT, YOU TOOK THE SCREEN OFF BEFORE I READ EVERYTHING.

I'M NOT QUITE A FAST READER AS, AS, UH, MIKE, BUT DID WE, DOES IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT A MORATORIUM IN THIS PROPOSAL? IT DOES NOT, NO.

THIS PARTICULAR RESOLUTION DOES NOT ADDRESS WINDMILL OR SOLAR.

IT DOES NOT.

SO IT, THE COMMITTEE IS STRICTLY TO COME UP WITH AN APPROPRIATE CODE THAT WE COULD PUT IN PLACE PRIOR TO THE, UH, APPROVAL OF ANY BATTERY STORAGE, WINDMILL, UH, UH, UH, UH, SOLAR PANEL, UH, FACILITY.

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UH, GARRETT CAN DO THAT IN PARALLEL, UH, WITH A FAIRLY QUICK, UH, CHANGE TO THE LAW, WHICH BASICALLY GIVES US TIME.

WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS FIRST.

UM, OKAY.

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT THAT, THAT, TO MAKE SURE THIS IS DONE QUICKLY.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE CAN PUT THROUGH A MINOR CHANGE TO THE CODE THAT WOULD BASICALLY NOT ALLOW THE, UM, WINDMILLS AND THE, UH, THE TURBINES AND THE SOLAR, SOLAR FARMS UNTIL WE GET TO ADDRESS IT, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE THOROUGHLY.

AND SO WE, WE CAN DO THAT, WE CAN DO THAT, UH, SIMILARLY, BUT THE FOCUS OF THIS IS FOR THIS GROUP TO HELP GARRETT WORK WITH GARRETT TO COME UP WITH A LOCAL LAW, UM, RELATIVELY QUICKLY, BUT NOT, OF COURSE, AT THE EXPENSE OF COMING UP WITH A GOOD AND SAFE LAW.

BUT RELATIVELY QUICKLY COME UP WITH A LOCAL LAW.

THE DATE ON HERE IS TO PRESENT IT TO THE TOWN BOARD NO LATER THAN APRIL 9TH.

AND I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT'S A VERY OUTSIDE DATE, BECAUSE THERE STILL HAS TO BE THE APPROVAL PROCESS, SENDING IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD, GETTING IT BACK, APPROVING IT, AND GETTING IT INTO PLACE.

FRANCIS, I WOULD THINK THAT THE DATE IS DOABLE CONTINGENT ON THE TOWN HIRING THE EXPERT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

UH, THAT'S ALSO THE MOTIVATION, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT IS, IT IS THE, I MEAN, THE INFORMATION WE GOT TONIGHT IN THAT TOP LINE PRESENTATION, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I I'M SURE YOU DID.

YOU ASKED SOME TERRIFIC QUESTIONS AND WE LEARNED A LOT.

UM, AND I THINK THEIR, THEIR HELP OR A SIMILAR, IF IT'S NOT THEM, SOMEBODY LIKE THEM HELP IS CRITICAL TO WRITING THIS NEW LAW.

I AGREE.

QUESTION I HAVE RIGHT NOW IS WE'VE GOT A STAY ON, UM, NORWOOD AT TILL THE, UM, TILL THE, UH, ZONING BOARD RULES ON, ON, ON BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OPINION.

WHAT IS THE STATUS ON CENTRAL AVENUE? HAS ANYBODY ASKED THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AT THIS POINT FOR AN OPINION ON THOSE TWO PROJECTS? BECAUSE AGAIN, WHEN I HEARD THE PRESENTATION LAST WEEK, THEY SEEM TO THINK, OH, WE'RE AN ACCESSORY USE AND WE CAN RUN AHEAD.

UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY THE CASE UNDER OUR CODE.

AND, UM, IF INDEED WE ENDED UP IN A SITUATION LIKE NORWOOD, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS AND HAVE TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD AGAIN.

I WOULD HOPE WE COULD CIRCUMVENT THAT.

SO HAS ANYBODY AT LEAST REACHED OUT TO MR. RETO AND GOTTEN AN OPINION YET? UH, WE WERE, WE WERE INTENDING TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AT THE MEETING THIS AFTERNOON.

AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A, A BIT OF A, A MEDICAL ISSUE WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT MM-HMM.

AND SO, UM, WE WILL GET, WE WILL GET THAT ANSWER.

HOW, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY MINDFUL IN THE CA MIXED USE DISTRICT IF, IF SOMETHING IS NOT SPECIFICALLY PERMITTED, IT'S PROHIBITED.

I THINK AN ARGUMENT COULD BE MADE THAT IF YOU'RE BASICALLY GENERATING MORE, UM, UH, IF YOU'RE GENERATING MORE ENERGY THAN THAT'S BEING USED OUT ON THE SITE AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY PUTTING IT BACK ON THE GRID, I THINK THERE COULD BE AN ARGUMENT THERE THAT THAT'S REALLY NOT ACCESSORY.

I, I, I, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

I'M JUST CONCERNED AS THESE THINGS COME IN AND, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, YOU I THINK HAD AN INTERESTING IDEA ON THE, UH, WINDMILLS AND ON, ON THE SOLAR FARMS. I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT WE DO, WE, I WANNA, I'M CONCERNED THAT THERE, THAT THERE MAY BE A FLOOD OF THESE THINGS AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER PLACES WHERE THERE MAY BE LOOPHOLES IN THE TOWN.

WELL, I'D ALSO HOPE THAT WE HAVE A LOCAL LAW IN PRE PLACE.

I IMAGINE THE APPEAL TO THE ZONING BOARD IS GOING TO TAKE THREE MONTHS.

IT MAY TAKE TWO MONTHS, BUT MY GUESS IS IT'S GONNA TAKE THREE MONTHS.

I WOULD HOPE THERE'S A LOCAL LAW IN PLACE BY THE TIME THAT HAPPENS.

I, BUT THE ZONING BOARD DOESN'T PROTECT ANYTHING.

BUT THE, BUT, BUT THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, FRANCIS, THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

BUT MY CONCERN CONTINUES TO BE, UM, NOT KNOWING IF THERE ARE HOLES IN, YOU KNOW, CENTRAL LAB.

THE, THE STAY IS NOT FOR ANY OTHER ZONE IN THE TOWN.

AND MY CONCERN, I MEAN, TRUTHFULLY, THE OBJECTIVE, I BELIEVE IS TO GET THIS LAW WRITTEN AS QUICKLY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.

SO WE DON'T RUN INTO THIS PROBLEM.

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I THINK WE DO HAVE THE ISSUE OF THE ACCESSORY USE FOR THIS PARTICULAR THING.

UM, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT, THAT DEFINITION TOO.

BUT IS IT TRUE ON ONE 19? IS IT TWO ON NINE A? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT RIGHT NOW.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE MAY WANT TO ADDRESS THAT, UM, AS WE GO FORWARD, AS WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THIS LAW.

BECAUSE AS I SAID, I, I DON'T THINK THE CBA IS GONNA TAKE THAT LONG.

I REALLY DON'T.

BUT IF THEY, BUT IT'S IRRELEVANT.

IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T PROTECT ANYTHING BUT THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

SO THAT'S MY CONCERN OF HOW WE, HOW WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH THAT WHILE WE WRITE A LAW.

THAT MAKES SENSE.

WELL, PROTECTING RESIDENTIAL AREAS IS NOT A TRIVIAL THING.

I DIDN'T SAY FRANCIS DON'T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH.

I NEVER SAID THAT.

UNDERSTAND.

BUT THE, I, I WANT US TO FOCUS ON AND LIKE LATE, AND I WANNA MAKE IT VERY CLEAR, THE GOAL IS FOR US TO HAVE IN THE LOCAL LAW AS SOON AS WE POSSIBLY CAN, AND THAT NOTHING GETS APPROVED UNTIL WE HAVE THAT LOCAL LAW.

HOWEVER, I, I DON'T WANT TO GET SIDETRACKED ON ANY OTHER ISSUE OTHER THAN I WOULD LIKE, ACTUALLY, ONCE THE COMMITTEE IS FORMED TOMORROW NIGHT, UH, IF WE COULD MEET ON, UH, FRIDAY JUST TO, YOU KNOW, KICK OFF, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE WE GOING FROM HERE SO WE COULD START THE BALL ROLLING.

ABSOLUTELY.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

AND, AND, AND THE OTHER THING, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE FOCUS JUST ON STORAGE BATTERIES, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ISSUE IN FRONT OF US.

BUT IF SOMEHOW WE CAN DENOTE THAT, UH, THAT WE SOMEHOW LEGALLY SAY THAT WE ARE NOT, UH, UH, WILL NOT LOOK AT, UH, UH, WINDMILLS OR SOLAR PANELS UNTIL WE HAVE A LOT IN PLACE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THAT LEGALLY, BUT I THINK THAT THAT WILL BE AN EXCELLENT WAY OF DOING IT.

SO WE CONCENTRATE ON THE ISSUE BEFORE US, AND WE DON'T MAKE THE SAME RUN INTO THE SAME DIFFICULTY WHEN IT COMES TO THESE OTHER ALTERNATE, UH, SOURCES OF ENERGY.

THE, THE ONE POINT I DO WANNA MAKE THOUGH, IS YOU MAY HAVE AS MUCH OF AN IMPACT OR MORE OF AN IMPACT WHEN IT'S IN A COMMERCIAL ZONE AS THE, ON RESIDENTIAL HOUSING AS YOU DO IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE, FOR EXAMPLE, BEHIND MIDWAY, YOU'RE ACTUALLY IMPACT, YOU'RE CLOSER TO ANY, MUCH CLOSER TO HOUSES OR, OR GREENVILLE, MUCH CLOSER TO RESIDENTIAL AREA THAN YOU ARE AT NO TO A HOUSE THAN RE THAN YOU ARE AT NORWOOD, FOR EXAMPLE.

WHICH IS WHY I SAID WE GOTTA BE REAL CAREFUL, AND AS LONG AS WE'RE ALL COMFORTABLE AND AGREEING THAT WE NEED TO GET THIS LAW IN PLACE BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY OF THESE PROJECTS, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

, IF THAT'S THE POSITION OF THE SPORT, AND GARRETT'S ALREADY WORKED UP FOUR TIERS FOR CONSIDERATION INSTEAD OF THE TWO IN THE MODEL LAW, UH, WHICH WOULD DEAL WITH, UH, DIFFERENT ZONING.

BUT THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO, TO NO, WE DON'T NEED DO THAT.

I THINK WE DO HAVE ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED MY CONCERNS AND, UH, I THINK BASED UPON THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.

UH, FRANCIS, UH, CAN I RAISE SOME ISSUES? SURE.

UH, ACTUALLY, IF YOU COULD FLIP UP THE RESOLUTION, THAT'D BE GOOD THAT YOU HEAR, UM, THAT'S THE RESOLUTION.

, UH, OKAY.

F UH, FIRST OF ALL, FRANCIS, UM, CAN I JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT? UH, I, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU ON CENTRAL AVENUE ABOUT THE, THE ISSUE THAT, UH, YOU AND HUGH WERE DISCUSSING ABOUT, IS IT PERMIT, IS THAT A PERMITTED USE IN THAT PARTICULAR ZONE, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN OPIN OWNED BY ANYBODY? UM, I, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID, THAT THERE'S A SERIOUS ISSUE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IF IT GOES BACK INTO GRID, THIS IS AN ACCESSORY USE.

UM, BUT I WOULD POINT OUT, AND I, AND I AGREE WITH, I'M SORRY.

I THINK YOU SAID THAT, AND I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID, THAT THAT PARTICULAR MIS MIXED USE DISTRICT SAYS IF IT AIN'T LISTED, YOU CAN'T DO IT.

UM, NOW I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THAT PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICT, UH, UH, CENTRAL AVENUE MIXED USE, UM, LIST A NUMBER ABOUT A DOZEN OF ANCILLARY USES.

IT DOESN'T JUST LIST PRINCIPAL USES.

IT ACTUALLY LISTS SPECIFIC ALLOWED

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ANCILLARY USES.

SO YOU HAVE THE, EVEN BEFORE YOU GET TO THE ISSUE OF WHETHER WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS AN ANCILLARY USE, EVEN IF HYPOTHETICALLY IT IS AN ANCILLARY USE, I, MY YES IS VERY FEW PEOPLE WOULD READ WHAT ARE THE LISTED ANCILLARY USES AND SAY, STORING ENERGY AND BATTERIES IS AN ANCILLARY USE.

AND I AGREE WITH THE DISCUSSION THAT IT'S NOT, UM, IT'S, IT'S THE SECOND TIER.

AND I THIRDLY, I, I AGREE WITH THE CONCERN OF HOW DO WE PREVENT US GETTING FACED WITH A APPLICATION FOR WIND OR SOLAR, UM, WHILE WE'RE WORKING ON THE BATTERIES.

AND, AND I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND, ARE YOU, ARE YOU A TRADITIONAL WAY OF DOING THAT IS TO ADOPT A MORATORIUM SAYING WE'RE GONNA WORK ON WIND AND SOLAR AND HAVE A MOR TO INTO THEM.

BUT IF WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A MORATORIUM ON WIND AND SOLAR, I DON'T THINK I COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN? 'CAUSE I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND IT.

WE'RE GONNA, I'M HAPPY TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU AT FRIDAY IF WE MEET, BUT THIS IS REALLY ON WHETHER OR NOT WE CREATE THE COMMITTEE OR NOT.

IT'S NOT WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE A MORATORIUM.

UH, AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE I DON'T WANNA GET SIDETRACKED.

THIS IS CREATING THE COMMITTEE.

WELL LET, LET'S TALK, LET'S TALK ABOUT, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE COMMITTEE, BUT, BUT WE, WE, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A PLAN HOW WE CAN ADDRESS THAT.

AND, UH, WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS IT WITH YOU.

WELL, THIS, THIS IS, HERE'S HOW IT, IN MY MIND, YOU MAY DISAGREE HOW MY, IN MY MIND, IT FEEDS INTO THE, NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF A LOCAL LAW RATE LADY.

IF, AS YOU SAID, WE WOULD DISCUSS WIND AND SOLAR ON FRIDAY, BUT, UM, THIS IS, SO THE COMMUNITY IS SOLELY FOCUSED ACCORDING TO THIS RE RESOLUTION ON BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE.

NO, WHAT I'M GONNA, I DON'T SUGGEST TO YOU, UH, LET ME JUST INTERRUPT 'CAUSE UH, MAYBE I WASN'T CLEAR.

AND SO WHY DON'T YOU GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY JUST TO EXPLAIN IT.

IT'S NOT THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS TO TAKE THIS ON THE, THE SOLAR RIGHT NOW.

THERE MAY BE NEXT YEAR, MAYBE THE END OF THE YEAR, MAYBE AFTER WE ADOPT THIS LOCAL LAW, BUT NOT NOW.

I UNDERSTAND IT.

THE FINAL QUESTION I HAVE IS, IS IT CLEAR THAT THE COMMITTEE WILL HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO THE CONSULTANT? YES OR NO? AND IF SO, WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT? WELL, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU MEAN.

DIRECT ACCESS.

UH, WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER IT.

NO, WOULD WE, WOULD WE, WOULD WE BE MEETING DIRECTLY IF THE COMMITTEE WANTED TO MEET WITH THE CONSULTANT, WOULD WE BE MEETING DIRECTLY WITH THE CONSULTANT OR WITH OUR, OR WITH THE COMMITTEE'S INPUT FROM THE CONSULTANT, BE GOING THROUGH SOMEONE ELSE AND THEN CONVEYED TO THE COMMITTEE? WOULD WE HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO THE CONSULTANT AT COMMITTEE MEETINGS? AT WHICH COMMITTEE MEMBERS COULD ASK THE CONSULTANT QUESTIONS? WELL, I, I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

GARRETT IS THE ONE THAT IS GOING TO BE BASICALLY STEERING THE SHIP, AND IT WOULDN'T BE ANYBODY IN BETWEEN YOU AND GARRETT DEALING

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WITH THIS.

IT DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S NEGOTIATED WITH THE CONSULTANT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, YEAH.

HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT.

I, COUNCIL, COUNCIL MACHINE IF I COULD.

AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD DEEM THAT WE WOULD DEEM THAT LIKELY UNREASONABLE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA SAY THAT IF THERE CAN BE A VERY CONCISE MEETING WITH THE CONSULTANT SO THAT WE CAN GET, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANT INFORMATION, UM, CERTAINLY OPEN TO THAT.

BUT WE JUST WANNA BE MINDFUL AND COST EFFICIENT.

WELL, LET, LET, LET ME, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT CAN'T BE A CLEAR YES THEN, UH, FRANCIS, BECAUSE BASED ON WHAT GARY SAID, BECAUSE, UM, HOW COULD THE COMMITTEE MAKE AN INTELLIGENT RECOMMENDATION WITHOUT DIRECT ACCESS? YOU, YOU JUST HEARD THE TECHNICAL ISSUES INVOLVED AND THE MULTIFACETED AND MULTILAYERED AND THE ENTRY LAYERED AND INTERRELATED IS, AS WALTER, UH, GRODEN HAS POINTED OUT, UM, UM, ISSUES INVOLVED IN THIS.

HOW COULD THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS BE REASONABLY EXPECTED TO MAKE AN INTELLIGENT RECOMMENDATION AND STAND BEHIND THAT RECOMMENDATION IF THEY DID NOT HAVE ACCESS DIRECTLY TO THE CONSULTANT? AND IT, IT'S REALLY NOT A, I DON'T THINK ANYONE, I MEAN, MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON ALL THE PEOPLE ON THIS COMMITTEE ARE TAXPAYERS.

UM, I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S TRYING TO DRIVE UP THE COST OF THIS, BUT IT, IT, IT, BUT WITHOUT FOUNDATION A ABOUT SOMETHING THAT I CONFESS, I DON'T KNOW A DAMN THING ABOUT, UM, AND THERE'S NO WAY I COULD BE USEFUL AND HELP AND HELP DEVELOP A LOCAL LAW.

CAN I SUGGEST A SOLUTION HERE? OKAY, SURE.

I I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF DEGREE I UNDER, I, I'M SENSITIVE TO WHAT GARRETT'S SAYING IN THAT WE DON'T WANT INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS CALLING UP THE CONSULTANT BECAUSE HE GONNA RUN UP, UP A HUGE, HUGE BILL THERE.

AND I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT.

HOWEVER, I ALSO UNDERSTAND WHAT MIKE'S SAYING, AND THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A, A SEANCE AS A GROUP WITH THEM.

WE'RE PREPARED.

IN FACT, WHAT WE COULD DO, IF WE REALLY WANTED TO DO THIS EFFICIENTLY, WE COULD HAVE A EITHER A, A SEANCE WITH ONLY OUR COMMITTEES OR HAVE THE TOWN BOARD THERE SO THEY'RE LEARNING AT THE SAME TIME WE ARE, OR YOU KNOW, IT'S ZOOM.

IT COULD BE, WELL, THE PLANNING BOARD COULD BE BE THERE ON THE C A C.

THERE'S MAYBE TOO MANY.

BUT ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WE NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE, ONE DIRECT QUESTION OR ONE OR TWO DIRECT QUESTION OR ANSWERS WITH A CONSULTANT AS A GROUP.

THAT'S WHY I SAID, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY DIRECT? OKAY.

DOES THAT HELP FRANCIS? DOES THAT HELP? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY THE IDEA IS IF, IF YOU'RE DOING IT AS A COMMITTEE, MATTER OF FACT, I THINK THE BEST THING, 'CAUSE FRANKLY THIS IS GONNA BE ON TAXPAYER DIME BECAUSE WE'RE DOING A LOCAL LAW, WE CAN'T ASK AN APPLICANT.

'CAUSE THIS APPLIES TO MORE THAN ONE PROJECT.

SO THIS IS ALL GOING TO BE ON, YOU KNOW, THE TAXPAYER'S DIME.

SO IF WE COULD POOL QUESTIONS DURING OUR, OUR, YOU KNOW, BACK AND FORTH AND DEVIL'S ADVOCATE AND ALL THIS OTHER KIND OF THING, AND COME UP WITH QUESTIONS SO THAT WHEN THE APPLICANT, UH, WHEN THE CONSULTANT DOES COME IN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, RAPID FIRE, UH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

BUT IN, IN OTHER SITUATIONS, DIRECT ACCESS VENT, ANYBODY CAN CALL THEM AT ANY TIME.

NO.

AND IT'S HOURS.

YEAH, I THINK, AND THAT WE CAN'T HAPPEN.

I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME.

I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

YEAH, WE'RE ALL ON THE PAGE.

I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.

NOW, BUT, UH, IN-PERSON MEETING WITH A CONSULTANT, THAT'S ALL.

WELL, FRANCIS, COULD YOU ADD THAT THE COMMITTEE AND A, AS A GROUP CAN HAVE APPROPRIATE DIRECT? WE TALK, THEY TALK, WE ASK QUESTIONS, THEY GIVE ANSWERS.

WE SAY, HUH, I'M SORRY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT YET.

COULD YOU DO, GO OVER IT AGAIN? COULD YOU WRITE SOMETHING THAT SAYS THE COMMITTEE AT A GROUP CAN HAVE DIRECT COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE EXPERT? BECAUSE RATHER NOT DO THAT, BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE TO DEFINE DIRECT.

I THINK THEY HAVE TO HAVE SOME TRUST IN GARRETT THAT HOW ABOUT REASONABLE ACTS, FOR INSTANCE, HOW ABOUT REASONABLE ACCESS? OR, OR YOU SAY SOMETHING FROM TIME TO TIME.

THE COMMITTEE MIGHT REQUIRE TO HAVE A, A, A MEETING WITH, UH, IN-PERSON.

WELL, ZOOM MEETING

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FRANCIS, I THINK YOU'RE RAISING, UH, UM, RED HERRINGS THAT DON'T EXIST.

YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE ON THE COMMITTEE.

ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THEY'RE GONNA GO BEHIND GARRETT'S BACK? OR ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BEING APPOINTED BY THE TOWN BOARD THAT YOU'VE KNOWN FOR DECADES ARE GOING TO DO THE, THE, THE FEARS THAT YOU'VE RAISED? I, I DON'T SEE WHY YOU CAN'T SAY WHAT WALTER SAID.

I DON'T THINK THESE ARE PROBLEMS FOR THE TOWN.

I THINK THE SUGGESTION THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE NORMALLY PUT INTO A RESOLUTION.

IF WE WORKING WITH A CONSULTANT AND YOU ARE WORKING WITH THE CONSULTANT, AND WE'VE JUST SAID THAT THERE WILL BE A MEETING WHERE YOU WILL DIRECTLY IN INTERACT WITH THE CONSULTANT.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU NEED THAT IN WRITING AS IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

WHY DOES IT HURT YOU IF IT'S, WHY DO YOU HURT YOU IF YOU DO WHAT WALTER SAID? WHY, WHY DO YOU NEED IT? WELL, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT WE, WE NEED TO MOVE ON.

I MEAN, THE ONLY RE THE ONLY THING THAT I COULD SAY BECAUSE I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, QUIET IS, YOU KNOW, MY FEELING IS THAT ONE OF THE, THE PURPOSES OF THIS COMMITTEE, AND ONE OF THE REASONS I, I FELT STRONGLY ABOUT THE COMMITTEE IS WE WANNA BUILD TRUST AMONG THE COMMUNITY.

THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO, UH, THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S BEING USED ALL OVER THE WORLD.

UH, YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNOR SAID IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA HAPPEN ALL OVER, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF SKEPTICISM.

UH, SOME PEOPLE ARE, UH, THERE'S A LITTLE FEAR BECAUSE PEOPLE REALLY ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE TECHNOLOGY.

SO MY FAILING IS THAT IF THE WORDING OF THE RESOLUTION WOULD SAY THE COMMITTEE WILL MEET FROM TIME TO TIME WITH THE CONSULTANT WHEN APPROPRIATE FROM TIME TO TIME WITH THE CONSULTANT, DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING.

UH, WE WE'RE GONNA DO IT ANYWAY.

IF IT MAKES PEOPLE FEEL BETTER ABOUT THE PROCESS AND IT WILL MAKE PEOPLE HAVE MORE CONFIDENCE, AND THAT WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER TO TRY COMING UP WITH THE BEST, UM, YOU KNOW, POSSIBILITIES.

I DON'T SEE REALLY A BIG DEAL DEAL ABOUT IT.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOBODY, IT IS GONNA HAPPEN ANYWAY.

THROW IT IN, GIVE THEM, UH, GIVE THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, SHOW OKAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUTTING THAT IN.

THEY'LL BE HAPPIER.

UH, AND THEN WE COULD ALL WORK TOGETHER, UH, TO COME UP WITH A LAW THAT IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, GREAT FOR THE TOWN.

BECAUSE MY GUT FEELING IS, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE ONE OF THE EASIEST LAND USE ISSUES TO RESOLVE.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT PROBABLY 99% OF US ARE PRETTY MUCH IN AGREEMENT AS TO WHAT, YOU KNOW, IS GONNA LAND UP BEING RECOMMENDED.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE THIS BEING THAT REALLY THAT CONTROVERSIAL.

IT, IT'S, IT'S GOING, IT'S NOT GONNA BE AS EASY, YOU THINK IF THERE'S NOT EVEN TRUST THAT WE WILL HAVE THE KEY, THE CONSULTANT WORKING WITH THE GROUP AT A MEETING.

UH, IT'S THE MAJORITY, MAJORITY OF THIS COMMITTEE.

VERY OPTIMISTIC.

THE MAJORITY OF THIS COMMITTEE, I'D REALLY LIKE TO MOVE THE AGENDA.

NO, I, THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.

I'M SORRY, FRANCIS.

I I THINK YOU HAVE TO LISTEN PLEASE TO WHAT THE COMMITTEE AND WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE SAYING.

YOU SEEM TO BE A MINORITY OF ONE ON THIS.

I'M SORRY, I CUT SOMEBODY OFF.

I, I DON'T KNOW WHO I CUT OFF.

GO AHEAD, MICHAEL.

GO AHEAD.

I'M JUST SO CONFUSED.

I'M JUST SO CONFUSED WHAT THE ISSUE IS.

AND WHEN I SAY AND, AND I, IF YOU HAVE DIRECT, IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE CONSULTANT AND YOU HAVE GARRETT, AND WE'RE ALL, JUST LIKE EVERYONE SAYS WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER FOR YEARS AND WE ALL TRUST EACH OTHER.

WHAT IS THE ISSUE, MIKE? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

WELL, IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT WE WHY HAVE TO BE IN WRITINGS.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT, WE, IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DOING COMMITTEES FOR A WHILE NOW.

I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY, WHY IT'S IMPORTANT.

GINA IS THIS, I DON'T KNOW.

AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE ON THE COMMITTEE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.

IF WE DON'T HAVE DIRECT ACCESS AS A GROUP FROM TIME TO TIME WITH THE CONSULTANT, THERE IS NO WAY WE WILL HAVE A KNOWLEDGE BASE TO BE HELPFUL.

SO WOULDN'T THAT BE THE COMMUNICATIONS WHEN YOU MEET? WOULDN'T THAT BE THE DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU HAVE TO LEARN FROM WHAT YOU, FROM WHAT YOU MEET WHEN YOU TALK WITH THE COMMITTEE? I MEAN, WHEN YOU TALK WITH THE CONSULTANT, WELL, THAT'S THE PART WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO SAY A MEETING AS A GROUP WITH, WITH GARRETT.

GARRETT PRESENT AND WITH TWO TOWN BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT.

SO IT'S, IT'S STILL A GROUP.

SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY, DANA, WHAT HAPPENED IN ALL, LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT I THINK WHAT HAPPENED.

OR NOT AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE IT IS A, A COMMITMENT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IF THAT'S THE WAY IT'S VOTED.

IT WAS THE WAY THE RESOLUTION, THE THIS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AGENDA, AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS MEANT THIS WAY.

AND I, I, I THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

OKAY? AND THIS IS PUBLIC RECORD, YOU KNOW, THIS IS BEING RECORDED.

SO THEY, THE TOWN BOARD'S MADE THE COMMITMENT, THE CONSULTANT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ACCESS TO THE CONSULTANT.

SO I'M FINE WITH WHETHER IT'S IN, IN WRITING

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THE PROBLEM WAS THE WAY THE AGENDA WAS WRITTEN, IT TALKED ABOUT THE CONSULTANT AND DID NOT TALK ABOUT IT, TALKED ABOUT THE CONSULTANT AND THE TOWN BOARD.

IT NEVER REALLY TALKED ABOUT IT WITH THE COMMITTEE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE WAY, WAY, WAY IT WAS WRITTEN, IT JUST COULD HAVE BEEN WRITTEN A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

OKAY? AND BY THE END, WE CAME UP WITH A GREAT LAW.

WE HAD TO CONVINCE CERTAIN PEOPLE WHO WERE CURRENTLY IN THE LEFT HAND QUARTER OF MY SCREEN THAT IT WAS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO.

UM, BOB BERNSTEIN CAME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT NONE OF US BELIEVED WE'D EVER GET THROUGH, AND IT TURNED OUT WE COULD, AND WE ENDED UP WITH A LAW, A MODEL LAW THAT WORKED.

I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT WE CAN DO THE SAME THING HERE.

WE'VE GOT AN EXPERIENCED GROUP OF PEOPLE, BUT I THINK WHAT MIKE IS UNDERSCORING, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

THIS LAW ONLY HAPPENS IF WE HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF THAT EXPERT.

THIS GROUP HAS A KNOWLEDGE OF THE EXPERT.

I, I THINK THAT'S THE POINT TO BE MADE.

AND IF I'M, UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN, THE TOWN BOARD HAS COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE WE HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE.

AM I CORRECT IN THAT? YOU ARE.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

ALRIGHT, LET ME GO THEN TO THE FINAL POINT I HAD, UH, WHICH IS, LET ME USE AN EXAMPLE.

THE INSURANCE COMMITTEE THAT I WORKED ON WITH OUR KAPLAN AND UM, UM, CHRISTINA, UH, HANSBURY FOR MONTHS, WE MADE FIVE WRITTEN REPORTS TO THE TOWN BOARD.

WE DID NOT MAKE, THAT'S WHO WE GAVE OUR REPORTS TO.

NOW, IS THIS COMMITTEE NOT COMMITTED TO MAKE REPORTS TO THE TOWN BOARD? BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT REPORTING TO THE TOWN BOARDS.

THE WORD FRAN, THE WORDS FRANCIS IS USED WAS TO COME UP WITH A LOCAL LAW TO PRESENT TO THE TOWN BOARD.

WELL, CAN THE COMMITTEE MAKE A REPORT TO THE TOWN BOARD? WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT? YEAH, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT WE CAN MAKE A REPORT TO THE TOWN BOARD.

AND SO IN OTHER WORDS, SO CAN IT BE, IF YOU FLIP BACK UP AT THE SCREEN FOR ONE SECOND, FRANCIS, CAN YOU ADD THE WORDS AND THE TOWN BOARD? THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

IT DOESN'T SAY IT.

CAN YOU ADD THE WORDS? IT'S NOT THERE FOR A REASON.

AND WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHICH ONE IS BETTER.

MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.

THIS IS WRITTEN, I REALLY DON'T WANNA SPEND MUCH MORE TIME ON THIS.

MEANS, OR AT LEAST I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULD GO AROUND THE COMMISSIONER, I SEE THAT IT SHOULD BE ONLY ONE.

BUT TO, TO STATE THAT YOU WANT TO BYPASS, NOBODY SAID THAT BARR, OUR PLANNER, SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE YOUR REPORTS DIRECTLY TO THE TOWN BOARD AS OPPOSED TO THROUGH OUR PLANNER AND HAVE ONE UNIFIED LOCAL LAW COMING TO THE TOWN BOARD FOR US TO ADOPT IS ANOTHER WAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO SLOW DOWN THIS PROCESS AND NOT HAVE A LOCAL LAW.

BECAUSE WHEN IT GETS TWO LOCAL LAWS GET TO THE TOWN BOARD, WE NOW HAVE TO DECIDE WHICH ONE DO WE DO.

AND THAT'S GONNA BE MORE CONTROVERSY.

BUT, BUT WAIT A MINUTE, LEMME INTERJECT AT THIS POINT.

THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE SAYING HERE.

BECAUSE IF YOU GO BACK IN THE, WHEREAS, UH, THE COMMISSIONER IS THE CHAIR, IF YOU WILL, OF THIS COMMITTEE, AND, AND THE COMMITTEE MAKES ONE, WE MAKE, UH, A REPORT THE SAME WAY.

IF YOU LOOK BACK HOW THIS, THE, THE YEARS THAT WE SPENT ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMMITTEE, AND YOU WERE THE CHAIR OF THAT, YOU DIDN'T HAVE, WE CAME TOGETHER AS A GROUP AND WE CAME UP WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.

YOU WERE THE CHAIR, WE DISCUSSED IT, WE ALL AGREE ON THE RECOMMENDATION, AND THAT WAS REPORTED TO THE TOWN BOARD.

I SEE NO REASON WHY THIS SHOULD NOT ACT THE SAME WAY THE COMMISSIONER IS THE CHAIR, AND WE REFER AS THE COMMITTEE, AS A COMMITTEE TO COME UP WITH A, WITH A REPORT TO THE TOWN BOARD.

SO YOU, SO BY NO

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SO I DON'T SEE A CONFLICT HERE.

DON'T SEE IT AT ALL.

SO, SO, SO I, I THINK THAT THE, THE ARGUMENT THAT YOU'RE CREATING TWO COMMITTEES, UH, THAT'S NOT, AT LEAST THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.

LET'S FOCUS ON THE LINE, FRANK, YOU KNOW, FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, IF WE HA IF IF WE SHOULD HOLD THIS OVER TOMORROW NIGHT, THEN MAYBE WE SHOULD HOLD IT OVER.

BUT THAT'D BE A REAL SHAME.

BUT WE REALLY HAVE TO MOVE ON WITH OUR AGENDA.

WE HAVE MUCH MORE, THE ONLY, ONLY OTHER THING, WALTER, WE HAVE, WE HAVE HOURS TO DO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

LET, LEMME JUST ASK, UH, UH, THE ONLY OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, UH, TO ME, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID, YOU KNOW, BEFORE I WOULD SUPPORT, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING THEM REPORT, YOU KNOW, TO THE TOWN BOARD.

BUT I ALSO FEEL THAT IT DOES, IF YOU READ THE RESOLUTION, THERE'S TWO MEMBERS OF THE TOWN BOARD WHO ARE LIAISONS, UM, TO, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THE COMMITTEE.

SO IN EFFECT, THIS IS REALLY GONNA BE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TOWN BOARD.

SO WHILE I WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS UP TO ME ALONE, I WOULD GO ALONG WITH, YOU KNOW, YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

I REALLY FEEL THAT IN PRACTICE, NOT, YOU KNOW, IN WORDING IN PRACTICE, WE'RE GONNA END UP DOING EVERYTHING THAT, UM, THAT, UM, THAT EVERYBODY BASICALLY WANTS, YOU KNOW, NO MATTER WHAT THE WORDING.

UM, ACTUALLY WE PROB HOPEFULLY WE WON'T DO ANYTHING EVERYBODY WANTS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'D END UP WITH.

I'M TALKING, TALKING, I'M TALKING ABOUT IT'LL BE CONSENT, PAUL.

IT'LL BE CON I LOOK AGAIN, I THINK WE HAVE A MODEL FOR THIS.

IT'S GONNA BE A CONSENSUS COMMITTEE, RIGHT? I THINK WE HAVE A MODEL COMMITTEE.

THAT'S RIGHT.

I REALLY FEEL THAT IF YOU, THE CCF WAS A MODEL FOR THIS, RIGHT? I REALLY FEEL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD, I USED TO HAVE DEPUTY SUPERVISORS FOR PROJECTS AND, AND YOU KNOW, I FELT THAT IT WAS EFFECTIVE.

THERE WERE TIMES, YOU KNOW, I HAD WORKED, UM, WITH THE POST COINER CIVIC ASSOCIATION FOR YEARS ON LAND USE ISSUES AND THE WORK WITH THE FRANK'S NURSERY.

WE WORKED WITH, UH, DOREEN LIFTON'S NEIGHBORHOOD ON GETTING THE ASSISTED LIVING.

AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A WHOLE COMMUNITY INVOLVED IN THAT AND THAT WORK, WE'VE DONE IT EAST IRVINGTON WITH TECH, WITH AVALON, WE WORKED WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THAT, THAT WORKED.

SO I FEEL THAT, UM, IF EVERYBODY WOULD GIVE US A CHANCE TO, IT'S A FOUR MONTH COMMITTEE.

I, I'M WILLING TO BET, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, BET EVERY ANYTHING THAT THE COMM THAT, THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WILL HAVE A GOOD LOCAL LAW THAT THE COMMUNITY WILL FEEL, UM, WAS RESPONSIVE TO THE CONCERNS.

AND, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FROM THERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE COULD ALSO WORK ON, UH, THE WIND AND THE SOLAR ISSUES THAT I THINK THAT LET'S, LET'S TAKE ONE STEP AT A TIME.

AS FRED SAID, THE PRIORITY RIGHT NOW IS TO GET A BATTERY LAW.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IF IT DOESN'T WORK, THEN WE COULD ALWAYS, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT.

IF THERE'S PROBLEMS AND IT DOESN'T WORK, THEN WE COULD ALWAYS, UM, COME BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE WANNA MAKE A MODIFICATION.

JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE A A RESOLUTION NOW DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T CHANGE LATER ON.

SO THE TOWN BOARD, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE COMMITTEE TO THE, THOSE VOLUNTEERS APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND, UH, CAN'T WAIT TO MEET FRIDAY POTENTIALLY.

AND I THINK I WANNA THANK THE TOWN BOARD FOR, YOU KNOW, COMMITTING TO WHAT WILL BE HAPPENING.

'CAUSE I THINK THE CONCERN, AND, YOU KNOW, I STILL THINK YOU MIGHT WANNA GO BACK AND WORDSMITH AND PUT SOME STUFF IN, BUT I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING, YOU'RE ON THE RECORD NOW AS TO HOW THIS WILL WORK, SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION.

AND I THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

YEP.

YEAH, I THINK IT'S GOOD.

FULL SPEED, ED.

AT THE PUBLIC HEARING LAST TIME, AND, UH, THE ASSESSOR IS TALKING WITH, UH, THE VILLAGE, UH, TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT PARTICULAR ANSWER.

TB THREE.

UH, THIS MAY GET HELD OVER, I'M NOT SURE YET.

WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, HAVING A QUESTION WAS ASKED

[04:55:01]

THE TOWN ATTORNEYS, WE HAVE A PROPERTY DAMAGE CLAIM, REGAINING OUTSIDE COUNSEL, A TAX CERT.

GARY, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS COMING UP? SURE.

THIS IS FOR THE PROPOSED, UH, CONTINUUM OF CARE FACILITY AT DOBBS FERRY ROAD.

WE HAD JUST REFERENCED IT A MOMENT EARLIER.

AND, UM, UH, AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS ISSUED A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE, UH, SPECIAL PERMIT AND AMENDED SITE PLAN, UH, ASPECT OF THE PROPOSAL.

AND, UH, THIS WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR BOTH OF THOSE, UH, APPLICATIONS.

C O TWO IS TO, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN A SOURCE OF DISCUSSION FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME.

UH, CHAPTER 3 73, WITH HOTELS, MOTELS, GROOMING HOUSES.

YOU'D BE AMAZED AT WHAT IS IN THAT CODE.

IT IS OBSOLETE.

IT'S ABSURD.

UH, IT'S GOTTA GO.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT IT.

YOU'RE UP AGAIN, ERIC.

UM, SO CD ONE IS A, A SEEKER DETERMINATION FOR THE HILLSIDE AVENUE SIDEWALK.

WE HAVE AN INDEPENDENT, UM, UH, CONSULTANT WORKING FOR US.

IT'S THROUGH THE, UH, NEW YORK, THE TAP PROGRAM, TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES PROGRAM.

SO THIS IS A, A, A $1 MILLION GRANT THAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING.

AND, UM, WE, AT THIS POINT, WE'VE MET WITH RESIDENTS.

WE HAD AN INFORMATIONAL ZOOM MEETING.

IT WAS VERY, VERY, UH, WELL ATTENDED.

SO THIS IS THE, UH, SECRET DETERMINATION.

AND JUST QUICKLY, UH, THE, THE, THE TRACK THAT THIS PROJECT IS ON IS FOR A 2022 BUILD, AND IT'S A SIDEWALK EXTENDING ON HILLSIDE AVENUE FROM TOWN HALL NORTH TO NORTH ROAD.

THAT'S GREAT.

THAT IS SO EXCITING, AND YOU'VE DONE AN AMAZING JOB ON THAT.

VERY EXCITING PROJECT.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I THINK THIS IS OF THE SIDEWALKS.

THIS IS THE MOST EXCITING, ONE OF THE MOST EXCITING SIDEWALKS THAT WE'VE, UH, UM, WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN.

AND, UM, I THINK THIS IS REALLY GONNA HAVE SUCH AN ENORMOUS POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE WHOLE, UH, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU.

YOU KNOW, WITHOUT YOUR EFFORTS, IT NEVER WOULD'VE HAPPENED.

CD TWO, UH, ANOTHER EXCITING PROJECT.

UM, AGAIN, A GRANT, UH, ODELL HOUSE.

UH, THIS IS WITH STABILIZATION, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS SHORING.

SO AT THIS POINT, UM, THERE'S BEEN AN ARCHITECT ON BOARD, STEVE UTILITY ARCHITECTS, AND THEY'VE DRAWN UP PLANS TO STABILIZE THE HOUSE FOR, UM, THE DURATION OF THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION PROJECT THAT WILL, UH, ENSUE, UH, ULTIMATELY, UH, AND OBVIOUSLY BRING THAT, THAT HOUSE BACK TO RESTORATION, UH, AND RESTORE THE ODELL HOUSE.

SO, UH, THIS IS FOR THE SHORING CONTRACT, AND, UM, WE WOULD HOPE THAT THAT WORK COMMENCES PERHAPS EVEN, UH, IN THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY.

SO, UM, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE, IN THE, IN THE TRUE RESTORATION OF THE HOUSE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN BOARD'S BEEN SO SUPPORTIVE SINCE THE TOWN, UH, TOOK POSSESSION OF, OF ODELL HOUSE, AND, UM, JUST A LOT OF POSITIVE MOMENTUM.

THERE'S, UM, AN ODELL HOUSE RESTORATION GROUP LED BY SUSAN SEALE, WHO'S BEEN INSTRUMENTAL, UM, IN, IN ADVOCATING FOR ODELL HOUSE.

AND, UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A WONDERFUL PROJECT.

GLAD TO BE A PART OF IT.

NOW, WE HAD GOTTEN SOME GRANTS, UH, LIKE A YEAR AGO, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO THIS IS, UM, PART OF THE $1.2 MILLION, UH, PHASE ONE RESTORATION.

AND YES, THERE WAS $600,000 GRANT FROM, UH, NEW YORK STATE THAT, THAT WE'RE IMPLEMENTING HERE.

THIS IS ALSO EXCITING.

AND ANOTHER THING THAT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED WITHOUT YOUR HELP, SO I'M TRYING TO MAKE UP FOR ALL THE EMAILS I SEND YOU BY PRAISING YOU.

AND WE HAVE, UH, SOME BUDGET TRANSFERS.

UNFORTUNATELY, I DIDN'T PICK 'EM UP, UH, PULLED 'EM UP BEFORE I STARTED TO SCREEN SHARE, SO I CAN'T DO IT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE CAN DO THAT TOMORROW.

UH, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO, UH, WE HAVE, UH, UH, ISSUANCE OF, UH, BONDS

[05:00:07]

PARKS, JERRY.

SURE.

UH, WE HAVE A, UH, RESOLUTION, UH, AUTHORIZED IN GREENBERG TO ALLOW THE NEW YORK NEW JERSEY TRAIL CONFERENCE TO TREAT INVASIVE SPECIES IN THE, UH, DESIGNATED AREAS ON THE HARTSBURG PARK AND PRESERVE.

THAT'S A AREA WHERE THERE WAS A LOT OF LOGS OVER THE YEARS THAT WERE JUST BEING USED AS A, UH, DUMPING GROUND THAT HAPPENED BEFORE WE, UH, PURCHASED A PROPERTY.

WE CLEARED IT.

AND NOW, SINCE THAT TIME, THERE'S SOME OTHER INVASIVE, UH, SPECIES.

THEY'RE COMING THERE AND, UH, GIVE A, A TREATMENT FOR IT, I THINK, UH, ONCE A YEAR, I THINK FOR THE NEXT, UH, THREE YEARS.

AND, UH, UH, THEY'RE DOING THIS AT, UH, NO COST TO THE TOWN, BUT THE ONLY RESPONSIBILITY IS THAT AS WE OVERLOOK THE PROGRAM WITH THEM, UH, THAT WE WAIVE LIABILITY.

IT'S BASICALLY VOLUNTEERS COMING ON THE PROPERTY.

AND, UH, WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE GREENBERG SCHOOL DISTRICT REGARDING, UH, PLAYGROUND AND INDEMNIFICATION.

YES, THIS IS THE PROJECT THAT, UH, HAS BEEN TALKED AROUND FOR, UH, UH, NUMEROUS YEARS.

UH, THE GREENBERG SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS ALREADY EXECUTED THE AGREEMENT.

UH, EARLIER, UH, THIS MONTH, UH, THE PARK AND REC ADVISORY BOARD RECOMMENDED THAT WE RELEASE $75,000 OF PARKLAND FUNDS.

UH, LAST WEDNESDAY I MET WITH THE PLANNING BOARD AND PRESENTED THIS PROPOSAL OF RELEASING $75,000, UH, FOR BUILDING A PLAYGROUND ON SURPLUS SURPLUS SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTY.

UH, THEY PASSED A, UH, UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION, AND NOW IT'S BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD, UH, TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE AGREEMENT AND AT THE SAME TIME, UH, RELEASE $75,000 OF PARKLAND FUNDS.

I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT THIS PLAYGROUND WILL BE, UH, ON SURPLUS SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTY, WHICH IS BASICALLY A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, UH, AGING PLAYGROUND THEY HAVE THERE.

UH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS ALREADY COMMITTED, UH, A MINIMUM OF $75,000, AND I THINK IT MAY GO ALL THE WAY UP TO, UH, 90 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN ADDITION TO OUR 75,000 BUCKS.

THIS IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF DOING A LOT OF WORK NEGOTIATING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND THEN THE APPROVAL BECOMES FAIRLY QUICK RIGHT AFTER THAT.

BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF WORK THAT WENT INTO THAT TO MAKE IT SO THAT IT WAS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF HEALTHCARE.

UH, PUBLIC WORKS.

RICH, I'M HERE.

SO THE PW ONE IS A RESOLUTION, UH, BASICALLY GOING BACK TO AN AGREEMENT WITH ELLIS FINANCIAL CONSULTANTS.

AS YOU REMEMBER, YEARS BACK, THEY DID, UH, THROUGH THE WATER ADVISORY BOARD, A REAL LOOK AT THE, UH, FUTURE PROJECTIONS THAT THE WATER SHOP IS GOING TO NEED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS.

AND, UH, THE ADVISORY BOARD, ALONG WITH THE, A LOT OF HELP FROM ROBERTA ROMANO, WHO'S BEEN REALLY FANTASTIC WITH HELPING US OUT.

UH, WE DECIDED THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THEM TO RE-LOOK AT EVERYTHING.

UM, AND THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THAT PROJECT.

AND THE NEXT ONE.

OKAY, NUMBER TWO IS, AGAIN, BACK TO THE BROMBERG NORWOOD TRANSMISSION MAIN PROJECT.

UH, THIS IS, UH, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH N I C SYSTEMS CORP.

THEY DO ALL OUR CONTROL WORK.

UM, AND THIS IS FOR THE, THE, UH, HUGE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT.

I THINK COUNCIL MACHINE POINTED OUT SOME, SOME, UM, WEEKS BACK WHERE WE'RE CONNECTING THE TWO PUMP STATIONS.

SO THIS IS, SO THAT, AGAIN, EVERYTHING TALKS TO EACH OTHER IN A, AS A MATTER OF FACT, I BELIEVE IT'S THE, THE BIGGEST INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT THAT THE TOWN HAS EVER ENGAGED IN, OTHER THAN I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU BUILDING, BUILDING THE TOWN.

IS, UH, CONTINUATION WITH LAW THROUGH ASSOCIATES.

UH, PUBLIC WORKS.

NUMBER THREE, THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF OUR, UH, REBUILDING OF THE H V A C SYSTEM AT TOWN HALL, WHICH ANYBODY WHO'S BEEN HERE OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS SEEN THE FAILURES OF IT.

WE ARE CONTINUING TO GO ON WITH O L A AS THEY HAVE INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE OF THE SYSTEM.

AND THIS IS, UH, FOR A LOT OF THE CONTROLS AND THE PHASE TWO OF THE PROJECT.

WILL THIS, UH, HELP ENSURE THAT THE SYSTEM WILL BE ABLE TO HANDLE AT LEAST, UH, MERV 13 FILTERS THAT, YEAH.

SO MIKE BRODER, WHO, UH, YOU ALL KNOW, HAS BEEN PUTTING THOSE FILTERS IN, UH, THROUGHOUT ALL OUR BUILDINGS, HE'S BEEN UPGRADING AND PUBLIC WORKS.

NUMBER FOUR

[05:05:01]

THIS IS FOR THE PROPOSED NEW POLICE AND COURT FACILITY.

UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY WALK WORKING THROUGH THE PLANS TO NOW VALUE ENGINEER IT OR BRING THE COST DOWN, UM, WHICH IS GONNA REQUIRE ADDITIONAL WORK BY LOHR.

VALUE ENGINEERING IS ALWAYS A WONDERFUL TERM.

IT BASIC BASICALLY MEANS CUT, CUTTING THINGS OUT OF THE .

IT SOUNDS SO NICE.

VALUE ENGINEERING.

WELL, KEN JONES HAS BEEN AT THESE MEETINGS.

HE'S, UH, BEEN INTIMATELY INVOLVED.

IT'S QUITE A PROCESS.

THAT IS THE AGENDA.

NOW WE HAVE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS.

CAN EVERYONE MOVE THAT WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSES OF, UH, DISCUSSING, UH, PERSONNEL MATTERS AND CONTRACTUAL ISSUES AND LEGAL ISSUES, AND, AND WE ALSO NEED SOME LEGAL ADVICE ABOUT SOME CONTRACTS.

UM, SECOND.

NO, ONE SECOND.

SO I GUESS WE COULD LEAVE.

I DID, THERE WERE TWO SECONDS.

I SECOND FIRST THEN, THEN HOW, THEN FRANCIS IS SECOND.

LET GINA HAVE THE SECOND.

LISTEN.

WHATEVER WORKS.

JUST DON'T VOTE.

HOW ABOUT VOTING? RIGHT.