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EVERYBODY,[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL MEETING TO BE HELD VIA ZOOM-ENABLED VIDEO CONFERENCE Agenda THURSDAY, January 28, 2021 – 6:30 P.M. ]
UH, OBVIOUSLY TO THIS EVENING'S C A C MEETING.AND SINCE WE HAVE FOUR PEOPLE HERE, WE CAN START TO DO THE MINUTES.
ALL IN FAVOR OF, I SHOULD SAY.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? NO.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE, OF ACCEPTING THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
OKAY, SO THEN I THINK WE'RE ONTO OUR APPLICATION FOR TONIGHT.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADMIT THE PEOPLE AND I, I'M GONNA RUN AND GET MY DOCUMENTS.
I REALIZE I DON'T HAVE THEM HERE.
UH, PETER, I JUST, I I, I MUTED YOU WHILE YOU WALKED AWAY, SO I JUST WANTED YEAH, I KNOW.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO OPEN THEM UP.
'CAUSE I, WHEN I LOOKED AT THEM, I USED THE DINING ROOM TABLE TO OPEN THEM.
THANK YOU FOR COMING FOR ALL THESE MEETINGS.
SO, UM, I SEE BETH IS COMING IN, SO I THINK OUR APPLICANTS ARE COMING IN, SO YEAH, I SEE JOHN, IAN.
SO I GUESS, SHARON, ARE YOU THERE? YOU'VE, WE'VE LOST YOUR IMAGE AND YOUR, YOUR, UH, VOICE, SHARON.
ME, SHARON BACK TO DO BUSINESS.
WE DID HAVE A QUORUM AND I WANTED TO START, BUT WE SEEM TO HAVE LOST ONE OF THE QUORUM MEMBERS.
WELL, UNFORTUNATELY YOU'RE MUTED AND WE COULDN'T HEAR YOU.
YOU THERE? YOU CAN'T HEAR ME? NOW WE CAN, YES.
WE CAN'T HEAR YOU, BUT WE CAN'T SEE YOU, HONEY.
SO LONG AS WE CAN HEAR YOU AND YOU'RE PARTICIPATING AND MIKE IS COMING IN, SO WE'LL DEFINITELY HAVE A QUO.
PETER, DO YOU HAVE ALL THE NAMES OR DO YOU WANT ME TO ASK EVERYONE WHO IS NOT A MEMBER, BUT TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES? I'M GETTING THEM FROM THE, FROM THE, THE SCREEN.
AND I HAVE, I THINK I HAVE THEM FROM, UM, FROM THE PREVIOUS.
IS THERE ANYBODY WHO HASN'T BEEN HERE BEFORE? HI, MY NAME IS ROSS ALBANO RICHARDSON.
I WORK UNDER DAVID LOMBARDI AT J M C.
WHO, WHO'S THE PERSON FROM J M C? IT'S DAVID LOMBARDI AND ROSS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND YOU ON THE, UH, NOW.
AND WHO ELSE? I GOT THE, I PRETTY MUCH HAVE THE LONGEST NAME IN THE WHOLE CHAT.
ROSS DON'T HAVE HIS, HE DOESN'T HAVE HIS CAMERA ON SO YOU DON'T SEE HIS FACE.
YOU JUST SEE HIS NAME? YEAH, I DON'T SEE HIS FACE.
AND WE HAVE MARY BODEN, WHO'S A, A RESIDENT.
AND WE'VE GOT DOREEN LIPSON, WHO'S A RESIDENT ALSO.
OKAY, PETER, THEN I WANNA THINK WE CAN START WITH THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
WHENEVER YOU FOLKS ARE READY TO GO, IT'S YOURS TO TAKE OVER.
UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US AGAIN THIS EVENING.
AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE LAST APPEARED BEFORE YOUR COUNT, NOVEMBER OF 2020.
UM, WE TOOK A FEW MONTHS TO, UH, TO CONDUCT A SITE WALK WITH I, I THINK AT LEAST ONE MEMBER OF THE BOARD WAS THERE AS WELL AS BETH EVANS.
MARGARET, YOU WERE THERE WITH BETH EVANS.
AND I THINK AARON WAS THERE AS WELL.
UM, SO YOU GOT TO SEE THE WETLAND IN QUESTION AND THE PROPERTY, AND I HOPE THAT THAT WAS HELPFUL.
UM, AND WE ALSO MADE SOME MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE PLAN AND SUBMITTED SOME EXTRA MATERIALS TO YOUR BOARD, INCLUDING THE REQUESTED TREE SURVEY, WHICH IS A NEW REQUIREMENT UNDER THE CODE.
UM, IT'S A, IT'S A BIG JOB AND SO IT TOOK US A BIT OF TIME.
ERIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
UM, WE ALSO SUBMITTED A PRELIMINARY SW UM, AND A COMMENT FROM J M C THAT ADDRESSED ONE COMMENT THAT I'M GOING TO SPEAK
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TO QUICKLY THAT YOUR BOARD RAISED, AND THEN I'M GONNA TURN IT TO DAVE TO GO INTO THEUM, THE ONE LEGAL COMMENT THAT WAS RAISED AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING WAS, UM, MAINTENANCE OF THE WETLAND IN THE FUTURE.
SO BASED ON DISCUSSIONS WITH AARON AND OTHER MEMBERS OF, UM, TOWN STAFF, IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED THAT THE SHARED ROADWAY IS GOING TO BE A PRIVATE ROADWAY.
UM, AND IT WILL BE A SEPARATE LOT THAT'S GOING TO BE OWNED BY AN H O A FOR ALL OF THE HOUSES THAT UTILIZE THAT SHARED ROADWAY.
SO WE WOULD PROPOSE, AND WHAT WE PUT INTO OUR SUBMISSION MATERIALS IS THAT THE H O A WILL MAINTAIN THAT LAND IN THE FUTURE.
UM, AND, AND THAT WAY I HOPE THAT YOUR BOARD HAS COMFORT, UM, THAT THERE WILL NEVER BE AN INSTANCE WHERE THAT WETLAND IS, IS NOT MAINTAINED.
I'M, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, UM, NOW, OR WE CAN TURN IT TO DAVE TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE OTHER SUBMISSION MATERIALS AND WE CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS ALL AT ONCE.
I, I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR H O I I DON'T MEAN TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE ANY JUDGMENTS ON THAT, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS IN THE PAST, UM, THAT, UM, AND I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH 'EM AS, I THINK THERE'S SOME OTHER PEOPLE IN THE C A C AND, AND PERHAPS, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, UH, THAT HAVE MADE PROMISES, UM, THAT DID NOT, UM, MATERIALIZE.
HAVE, HAVE YOU DISCUSSED WITH COMMISSIONER SCHMID, UM, HOW THIS ALL WOULD WORK TO BE SURE THAT THE PROMISES TO GET WORKED OUT? UH, YEAH.
UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT QUESTION.
AND MR. SIEGEL, I HAVEN'T HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH AARON, BUT I KNOW DAVE HAS HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS AND I CAN, I CAN REPORT BACK 'CAUSE THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING CONVERSATION THAT JOHN MAN, DAVE AND MYSELF HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE, UM, THIS IS COMFORTABLE WITH.
SO WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE IS ACTUALLY THEN ALSO GIVING THE TOWN AN EASEMENT OVER THESE AREAS WITH THE RIGHT TO COME ON AND PERFORM WORK IF FOR SOME REASON THE H O A DOES NOT PERFORM THE WORK AND TO GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO THEN SEEK, UM, COMPENSATION FROM THE H O A FOR THE COST OF THAT WORK.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK WITH, UM, AARON AND, AND THE TOWN'S ATTORNEY TO DRAFT AND, AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE COMFORTABLE.
AARON, I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE THAT WITH OTHER PROJECTS IN THE TOWN.
IT'S SOMETHING DAVE, UM, IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH.
A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS WE HAVE TO DO THIS.
SO I HOPE THAT THAT GIVES YOU THE COMFORT THAT YOU NEED.
YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT, MIKE? 'CAUSE I DIDN'T REALLY HEAR AN ANSWER.
WELL, I I, I'LL LET MS. ROBIN, YOU'RE GOOD.
BUT IT WAS, UH, IF MIKE'S GOOD, I'M GOOD, BUT I DIDN'T REALLY HEAR AN ANSWER.
IT, UM, HE'S GONNA WORK OUT SOMETHING WITH AARON AND THE ATTORNEYS, BUT THE BASIC FRAMEWORK, WHAT MS. ROBERTS SAID SEEMED TO ME, RIGHT THERE WOULD BE PROMISES TO MAINTAIN IT.
IF THAT PROMISE DID NOT MATERIALIZE IN THE FUTURE, THE TOWN WOULD HAVE AN EASEMENT TO GO INTO THE LAND AND TO, UM, UH, MAINTAIN IT ITSELF.
AND EXCEPT THE, EXCEPT THE, WELL HOLD ON, MARK.
AND WHAT NORMALLY HAPPENS, I BELIEVE IS THEN IF THE TOWN'S EXPENDITURES, UH, UH, BECOME, UM, THE H O A BECOMES OBLIGATED TO PAY THE TOWN'S EXPENDITURES.
AND THE ONE MINOR LITTLE TECHNICAL LEGAL DEF DEF UH, DETAIL THAT LEFT ALBERTS PROBABLY CONTEMPLATED IS THAT IF THE, THOSE EXPENDITURES ARE NOT PLA ARE PAID, IT BECOMES A LIEN ON THE LAND.
AND I'M SORRY I DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT DETAIL, BUT YES, I MEAN, STEP ONE WOULD BE THE TOWN WOULD, I'M, I'M SURE THE TOWN WOULD SEND A LETTER TO THE H O A AND REQUEST PAYMENT.
MAYBE THERE'S A LEGAL ACTION OR A LIEN GETS FILED.
I MEAN, THERE'S SORT OF THIS SERIES OF STEPS.
UM, YOU KNOW, MY HOPE IS THAT IT WOULD NEVER GET TO THAT POINT, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE I THINK, AS BETH SAID AT THE LAST MEETING, THE PLANTINGS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING TO PUT IN THE WETLAND AREA DON'T NEED A WHOLE LOT OF MAINTENANCE.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS DONE ON PURPOSE, OBVIOUSLY, BUT I THINK RIGHT.
PROTECTIONS TO THE TOWN THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ARE FAIRLY TYPICAL FOR PROJECTS.
UM, AND I THINK AARON WAS COMFORTABLE WITH, UH, IN THE CONVERSATIONS HE HAD WITH DAVE.
I DO THINK THAT THIS ALSO REALLY GIVES US TWO LEVELS OF PROTECTION.
ONE THROUGH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, AND THEN THE BURDEN BECOMES THE TOWN.
SO IF THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION IS NOT MEETING THEIR BURDEN, THEN THE, IT SETS IT UP THAT THEN AS A COMMUNITY OR AN INDIVIDUAL, YOU CAN PUT PRESSURE
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ON THE TOWN TO DO IT BECAUSE THE TOWN HAS NO IMPEDIMENT TO GOING FORWARD AND EXECUTING.UH, THE, THE ACTIONS THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE ACCESS, THEY HAVE, UM, THE WAY TO A RECOURSE TO BE, TO GET THE MONEY BACK BECAUSE A LIEN BASICALLY WOULD TIE UP EVERYONE'S PROPERTY, WHICH IS A REALLY NICE CLUB, BECAUSE THEN IF YOU HAVE ONE NEIGHBOR WHO DOESN'T WANNA SUPPORT THE H O A, IT'S GONNA BE THE OTHER TWO NEIGHBORS GETTING ON THEM THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THIS BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S HIGHING UP ALL OF THEIR PROPERTIES.
THE, SO MARGARET GOT AS MUCH PROTECTION AS WE COULD GET.
MIKE, MARGARET, DID YOU HAVE A NO, THAT SOUNDED WHAT MS. ROBERT DESCRIBED.
UH, UH, MARGARET, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH? 'CAUSE WE MAY HAVE OVERLOOKED SOMETHING THAT WAS, THAT WAS BOTHERING YOU.
I, UM, YEAH, I, I JUST, I JUST WONDER, YOU KNOW, HOW, UM, HOW THIS GETS BUILT IN AND IT'S REALLY TRUE.
HOW, WHAT, HOW, WHAT BUILT IN MARGARET, UM, THE H O A GETS BUILT IN.
IT'S REALLY TRUE AND WE CAN REALLY HAVE IT, UH, BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, MR. MAN IS SHARING IS A LOVELY MAN, LOVELY MAN, AND HE DOESN'T WANNA DO ANYTHING BAD TO US.
RIGHT? BUT HE'S GONNA SELL IT TO SOMEBODY.
AND, UM, MAYBE KATE CAN SAY, YEAH, MARGARET, I, ONCE HE SELLS IT, HOW DO WE REALLY KNOW WE'RE GONNA GET AN H O A, THE APPROVAL? AARON, AARON LET, LET HER SET.
AARON'S NOT HERE, MIKE, BUT THE APPROVAL, IF IT'S IN THE APPROVAL, MARGARET OF THE SUBDIVISION, IT HAS TO HAPPEN TO WHOM? WHOMEVER TO WHOM? WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN, MARGARET? I MEAN, TO IT, IT'S A WHOLE SPREAD OUT THING.
RIGHT? SO WHO HAS, WHO HAS THE OBLIGATION? I THINK WHOEVER BOUGHT, DIDN'T THEY? YEAH.
SO I JUST WANT ANSWER, UH, MS. BOB, LEMME ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION.
JUST, UH, PRESUMABLY THESE PROMISES, I MEAN, I THINK THE STRUCTURE HERE IS FINE.
UM, UM, THE PROMISES WOULD BE RECORDED SOMEPLACE THAT THEY WOULD GO WITH THE, THE FLIPPING AFTER THE FLIP.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S A FEW A FEW THINGS I WANNA, UM, SORT OF TOUCH ON TO ANSWER BOTH, UM, YOUR QUESTION, MR. SIEGEL, AND TO ADDRESS SOME OF WHAT MS, UM, BEAL WAS SAYING.
SO, UM, NUMBER ONE, THE SUBDIVISION IS ACTUALLY A PROPOSAL FOR FOUR LOTS.
UM, THREE OF THEM WOULD BE THE HOUSES AND THE FOURTH LOT WOULD BE THE SHARED ROADWAY, UM, DRIVEWAY.
UM, AND SO THERE, THERE NEEDS TO BE AN H O A 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO OWN THAT FOURTH LOT.
SO, YOU KNOW, TO MS. BE'S POINT, IS THERE, HOW DO WE KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE AN H O A? THERE HAS TO BE, BECAUSE THE H O A HAS TO OWN THE ROADWAY, THE DRIVEWAY, UM, TO YOUR POINT, MR. MR. SIEGEL, UM, THE, SO H O A DOCUMENTS ARE NOT TYPICALLY RECORDED, BUT WHAT WILL BE RECORDED IS A SUBDIVISION PLATT, WHICH WILL LIKELY REFERENCE THE H O A.
AND IT'S ALSO AN OBLIGATION UNDER NEW YORK STATE LAW FOR ANYBODY WHO, UM, IS A SELLER OF ONE OF THESE LOTS TO DISCLOSE H O A DOCUMENTS TO THE BUYER.
SO A BUYER IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE ON NOTICE THAT AN H O A EXISTS.
OKAY? LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE NOT RECORDED.
YOU NEVER FIND H O A DOCUMENTS RECORDED, BUT THEY WILL BE PUT ON NOTICE.
AND I THINK THE SUBDIVISION PLAT WILL REFERENCE THAT.
THERE'S AN H O A, UM, AND WHEN YOU RUN TITLE BEFORE YOU BUY A HOUSE, YOU'LL SEE THE SUBDIVISION.
SO I, I HAVE COMFORT THAT ANY BUYER, UM, OR SELLER WILL, WILL HAVE TO DISCLOSE THESE AND WE'LL KNOW ABOUT IT.
PETE, PETER, IN YOUR MINUTES, MIGHT I SUGGEST THAT YOU GET THE SALIENT FEATURES OF WHAT MR. ROBERT SAID, UH, WHICH I'M SURE YOU'VE ALREADY TAKEN DOWN, UM, AND NO, I HAVEN'T BEEN, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
WELL, BASICALLY THE SALIENT FEATURES ARE THERE'LL BE A PROMISE FROM THE H O A TO MAINTAIN IF, IF THEY DON'T LIVE UP TO THAT PROMISE.
UH, THE, UH, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG WILL BE THE TOWN OF GREENBURG SOON BE GIVEN A, UH, AN EASEMENT EASEMENT OVER THE LANDS OVER THAT PLOT, UH, OVER THAT, UH, FOURTH PLOT, SO THAT THE TOWN OF GREENBURG CAN ENTER ONTO THE PROPERTY AND DO THE MAINTAINANCE.
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TOWN OF GREEN, THE, HOLD ON, MORGAN, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG WILL, UH, HAVE THE RIGHT FOR REIMBURSEMENT OF THEIR EXPENSES.IF THE, UM, IF THE, UM, UH, IF THEY'RE NOT REIMBURSED, IT CREATES A LIEN ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY, ON THE LAND, AND, UM, THE SUBDIVISION.
UH, MS. ROBERTS, IS IT ON ALL FOUR OR JUST ON ON ON NUMBER FOUR.
SORRY, WHICH, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? THE QUESTION THE, IS THE, IS THE LIEN ON ALL FOUR PROPERTIES? WOULD THE LIEN BE ON ALL FOUR PROPERTIES? THE ANSWER HAS TO BE YES.
I'LL LEAN ON ALL FOUR PROPERTIES.
AND, UM, THE FINAL THING, BUT MR. ROBS CORRECT ME IF I DON'T GET IT QUITE RIGHT.
UH, YOU HAVE MORE EXPERTISE THAN I DO ON THIS, THAT, UM, THE, UM, SUBDIVISION PLATT WILL REFERENCE, UH, THE H O A, UM, UM, UM, ARRANGEMENTS, OR SOMETIMES CAN YOU REFERENCE THAT AN H O A EXISTS AND IS GOING TO CONTROL THE FOURTH LOT, WHICH IS THE SHARED ROADWAY.
UM, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE SUBDIVISION PLAT TO SPEAK TO DETAILS OF AN H O A AGREEMENT, BUT, WE'LL, WHY NOT? TYPICALLY, THAT'S A PRIVATE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THAT'S TYPICALLY, WHY NOT DO IT THIS TIME? I MEAN, IT'S JUST ABNORMAL.
IT WOULD BE, THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S NOT A LEGAL ANSWER.
SO, UM, WHY, WHY, WHY, WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T WE, EXCUSE ME.
WHY DON'T WE SAY, PETER, THAT THE SUBDIVISION PLATT WILL HAVE A REFERENCE TO THE
WOULD THERE BE OKAY, MR. ROBERTS? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE FINE.
ALL I WAS GONNA SAY IS A SUBDIVISION PLATT OFTEN HAS A BOX THAT HAS CONDITIONS, BUT I KNOW I'VE SEEN THEM LIKE, YOU KNOW, SENTENCES AND PARAGRAPHS THAT ARE GONNA BE IN AN H O A WOULD JUST BE, IT DOESN'T, IT JUST HAS TO SAY WHAT THE H OA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR.
CAN I RAISE MY HAND? SORRY GUYS.
DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN SAY SOMETHING WRONG.
ALRIGHT, CAN I, CAN I RAISE MY HAND? UM, I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING OUT, UH, A DRIVEWAY, A ROADWAY, RIGHT? WE'RE DIGGING IT UP.
WE'RE PUTTING SOME TREES THERE.
WHO WANTS THEM? THAT IS GONNA BE, OKAY.
SO NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENT ISSUE, WHICH IS, UM, YEAH, YEAH.
ED MARIN, UM, HIS CURRENT DRIVE, SHARED ROADWAY, OR HIS DRIVEWAY THAT GOES TO HIS BACK LOT.
HE HAS AGREED AND WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE REMOVED SO THAT HIS LOTS CAN, UM, CAN UTILIZE THE NEW ROADWAY AND THOSE TREES.
THE NEW TREES ARE GOING TO BE ON ED MERRIN'S LOT WHERE HIS DRIVEWAY CURRENTLY EXISTS.
WHO, WHO'S IT, WHO, WHO, WHO IS GONNA MAKE SURE THOSE TREES LAST AND LIVE? UM, THOSE ARE ON ED'S PROPERTY.
ED, WHO'S ED? ED MARIN, HE'S THE OWNER OF, HE'S THE CURRENT HOMEOWNER.
AND I HE'S THE GUY THE SIDE, YEAH, HE'S GUY SIDE.
AND I HAD A MEETING WITH HIM AT HIS HOME WITH, WITH, UH, MR. MARIN AND HIS WIFE.
AND I BELIEVE IT WAS HIS UNDERSTANDING AS WELL THAT THE TREES ULTIMATELY WOULD BECOME HIS RESPONSIBILITY BEING ON HIS PROPERTY.
THEREFORE, THEY WANTED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME, UH, WANTED TO HAVE SOME INPUT INTO WHAT TREE SPECIES WOULD BE SELECTED.
AND WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
I BELIEVE HE THEN HAD A, A FOLLOW UP WITH THE APPLICANT OR, OR THE APPLICANT'S TEAM.
SO, UH, THERE'S BEEN GOOD COMMUNICATION AND COORDINATION IN THAT REGARD.
SO I JUST WANTED, SO IT'S A NEIGHBOR, SO A NEIGHBOR, A NEIGHBOR IS ACTUALLY RIGHT.
BECAUSE THEY, I GUESS THEY'RE INTERCONNECTING TO THE DRIVEWAY.
WOULD IT BE HELPFUL TO, UH, DID YOU WANT TO DO A PRESENTATION THIS EVENING, OR HOW DID YOU FOLKS WANT TO PROCEED? UM, UM, SO, SO THAT WAS THE END OF MY PART OF THE PRESENTATION.
I WAS GOING TO KICK IT OVER TO DAVE TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, MATERIALS THAT WE MADE IN OUR SUBMISSION, INCLUDING THE TREE SURVEY AND SOME OF THE DETAILS FROM THE SWIP BASED ON COMMENTS FROM THE LAST MEETING.
I, I'M HAPPY TO DO IT THIS WAY, WHERE WE'RE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE ASKING THESE QUESTIONS WHEN THEY'RE ON POINT.
IF THAT'S QUICKER, IT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE MORE EFFICIENT THAT WAY WHILE WE'RE SPEAKING, I'M HAPPY TO DO IT HOWEVER YOU WANNA.
SO I JUST WANNA, FOR THE RECORD, SINCE I'M CREATING THE RECORD, UM, WE'RE SAYING
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THAT THE SUBDIVISION PLATT IS GONNA REFERENCE THE H O A AND OTHER PROVISIONS SATISFACTORY TO THE TOWN BOARD.IS THAT, IS THAT THE EXTENT OF IT? UM, I WOULD SAY THE TOWN ATTORNEY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT APPEARING BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD AT ALL.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH MY IPAD.
IF IT SHUTS OFF, I'M GONNA PLUG BACK IN ON ANOTHER DEVICE.
WE'VE ALREADY LOST AARON TO SOMETHING ALREADY.
THAT WAS WHAT I WAS ON THE PHONE WITH AARON.
I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING ON THE PHONE, BUT IT WAS AARON CALLING ME, SO
SO WHY DON'T WE LET THE APPLICANT PROCEED WITH A LITTLE BIT WITH THEIR PRESENTATION, AND THAT'LL PROBABLY GIVE US MORE QUESTIONS AND OR CLEAR THEM UP SO WE DON'T SPEND TIME ASKING THEM.
UM, DAVE, DO YOU WANNA TAKE IT OVER? YEAH, THANK YOU.
EVERYONE SEE MY SCREEN NOW? YES.
JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT LAST QUESTION.
UM, YOU CAN FOLLOW THE HAND HERE.
THIS ED MARIN'S EXISTING DRIVEWAY TO EXISTING EXISTING HOME, WHICH IS HERE.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO TIE INTO THE PROPOSED PRIVATE ROADWAY AND REALIGN HIS DRIVEWAY TO TIE IN AND ALSO HAVE ANOTHER CURB CUT FOR THE APPROVED LOT, UH, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO HIM FOR, UH, FUTURE HOME WHEN THAT LOT IS SOLD.
LET ME JUST GO TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
YEAH, DAVID, REMIND EVERYBODY HOW MANY TREES ARE TAKEN DOWN.
I JUST WANT TO GO OVER THE, THESE ARE THE TREES AND SHRUBS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO PLANT IN THE LOCATION OF THE EDGE DRIVEWAY THAT'S BEING REMOVED HERE.
AND THOSE ARE, THAT'S IT, RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT PUTTING ANYTHING ELSE UP THE HILL UP IN THE WOODS? NO, NO.
THIS, THIS IS, THESE ARE THE TREES THAT ARE GONNA BE ON MR. MARIN'S PROPERTY.
WHERE'S HIS HOUSE PLEASE? THIS IS HOUSE.
AND HOW DOES THAT DRIVEWAY LEAD TO HIS HOUSE? THERE YOU GO.
IT'S ON THE, HIS EXISTING DRIVEWAY.
THE, THE NEW THE NEW DRIVEWAY.
OH, THE NEW DRIVEWAY TIES IN OFF THE PROPOSED ROAD RIGHT HERE.
AND GOES THIS, AND YOU'RE GONNA PUT AND THE ONES IN CIRCLES WHAT YOU'RE PLANTING ALONG THE NEW ROAD.
IS THAT RIGHT? AND THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE'RE PLANTING IN EDGE DRIVEWAYS.
THESE ARE THE PROPOSED STREET TREES RIGHT ON THE SIDE OF THE PROPOSED ROAD.
AND THIS IS THE LANDSCAPING IN THE CENTER OF THE CUL-DE-SAC, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS, UH, THAT WAS REQUESTED.
WE ORIGINALLY ONLY HAD, UH, GRASS PAVERS IN THIS CENTER OF THE ISLAND.
NOW WE HAVE A SMALL LANDSCAPED AREA.
UM, COULD YOU MOVE OVER A LITTLE BIT ON, ON THE, YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY THERE? HOW IS THIS OTHER, OTHER LOT BEING ACCESSED BY THE DRIVEWAY THAT HE'S, HE'S CLOSING.
IT'S A LITTLE SHIFT IS A PROPOSED CURB CUT RIGHT HERE TO THIS
SO THERE'S NO REASON HE WOULD EVER RETURN TO HAVING A DRIVEWAY WHERE THE TREES ARE BEING PLANTED ON HIS PROPERTY? NO.
AND THE ADVANTAGE OF THIS IS DURING CONSTRUCTION, THAT WAS ONE OF MR. MARIN'S CONCERNS THAT HE COULD UTILIZE HIS DRIVEWAY UNTIL THE NEW ROADWAY IS CONSTRUCTED.
HIS DRIVEWAY WOULD BE TIED IN AND THEN HIS DRIVEWAY WOULD BE REMOVED SO HE WOULDN'T BE INCONVENIENCED.
DAVID, DAVID, SHOW EVERYBODY ALL THE TREES YOU'RE TAKING DOWN.
WE'LL ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR THREE HOUSES AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS OKAY WITH THIS.
WHERE ARE THE THREE HOUSES JUST TO START? THOSE ARE THE THREE BOXES KIND OF ON THE NORTH SIDE.
ARE THEY, ARE THEY BEING BUILT AT FIRST OR ARE THEY JUST POSSIBLE PLACES THE HOUSE WOULD BE AND YOU'RE SELLING THE LOTS? NO, THAT'S IT.
THERE ARE POTENTIAL PLACES TO, TO BUILD HOUSES.
THERE'RE POTENTIAL PLACES TO BUILD HOUSES.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT BEING BUILT AT FIRST.
NO, BUT TERRY, DO YOU WANT ASK YOUR, YOU WANT TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, MIKE, WAIT.
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SHOW EVERYBODY ALL THE TREES.YOU'RE TAKING DOWN ALL THE TREES THAT HAVE XS XES ON THIS PEN.
YOU REALLY EXPECT OLD MAN LIKE ME TO FIND THOSE XES.
YOU GOTTA GO CLOSE TO THE, I GUESS THE QUESTION CAN, OH, I, I SEE, I SEE.
IF YOU MAKE IT BEAR, BEAR WITH ME.
NOW, ARE WE SAYING THAT WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US IS A CONCEPTUAL DIAGRAM OF WHERE THE HOUSES WOULD BE LOCATED? THAT'S CORRECT.
WE, UM, I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY.
WE'RE BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD FOR A SUBDIVISION, NOT A SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
SO WE'RE SEEKING TO SUBDIVIDE THESE LOTS FOR THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF THESE THREE HOMES.
BUT THIS IS NOT THE EXACT SITE PLAN.
AND THE PLANNING BOARD KNOWS THAT EVERY, THE PLANNING BOARD IS AWARE THAT I HAVE, I HAVE ANOTHER
NO, BUT I, WE, I HAVE A, I HAVE A TIE IN QUESTION.
WELL, MS. ROBERTS, YOU NEED TO LISTEN AND, AND YOUR GROUP PLEASE NEEDS TO LISTEN.
LET THE CHAIR OF THE C A C WE'VE HAD THIS PRO THIS ISSUE BEFORE WE HAD ON THE CARVILLE ESTATES.
I, I, I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD LISTEN TO GET THE SAME DATABASE OF WHAT THE CA'S POLICY IS.
AND THEN LET THE CHAIR OF THE C A C TALK ABOUT THIS.
BECAUSE WE HAVE DONE THIS, AS MIKE SAID ON SEVERAL, SEVERAL LOCATIONS OVER THE YEARS, IS THAT SINCE AT THIS POINT WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHERE ON THE PROPERTY THE HOUSES WOULD BE LOCATED OR WHAT SHAPE THAT HOUSE WOULD TAKE VIS-A-VIS WHAT'S ALLOWABLE UNDER THE, UM, BUILD OUT FOR THE LOT IN QUESTION.
WE IN THE PAST HAVE ASKED, AND PEOPLE HAVE AGREED THAT THE REMOVAL OF THE TREES BE DELAYED UNTIL THE ACTUAL DESIGN OF THE HOUSE IS DONE.
BECAUSE IN EFFECT, WE'RE TAKING DOWN PERHAPS MORE TREES THAN NEED TO COME DOWN.
AND WE ALSO ARE TAKING DOWN TREES IF WE DO THEM NOW, THAT MAY LEAVE BARE SPACES.
AND IT JUST SEEMS THAT IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO WAIT FOR THE TREE REMOVAL TO TAKE PLACE AT THE TIME IS ACTUALLY A SUBMITTAL OF NOT, OF AN ACTUAL BUILDING PLAN VERSUS A SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.
IF I MAY, IF I MAY JUMP IN JUST FOR A MOMENT AND, UM, MAYBE EXPLAIN AND CLARIFY FOR EVERYONE, UM, HOW I ENVISION THIS AND HOW WE'VE DONE IT WITH THE PLANNING BOARD BEFORE.
SO FIRST OFF, RIGHT, THESE ARE CONCEPTUAL, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSES ON THE PLAN TO SHOW WHAT'S ENVISIONED IN TERMS OF DEVELOPMENT.
THE HOUSES THAT ARE LIKELY TO BE BUILT WILL NOT BE EXACTLY LIKE THIS.
THE APPLICANT IN PROBABLY ANOTHER DRAWING SHOWS WHAT'S CALLED A LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE.
UM, IN ANY OF THE THREE LOTS THAT ARE DEVELOPED, WHOEVER BUYS ONE OR MORE OF THE LOTS WILL BE REQUIRED TO STAY WITHIN THE LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE.
AND IF THEY DON'T, THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
UH, WITH RESPECT TO TREE REMOVAL, WE WOULD ENVISION IT BEING DONE IN PHASES.
SO THEY WOULD LIKELY COME TO THE TOWN TO BUILD THE ROAD, UM, AND MAYBE SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST.
UM, THEY MAY DO IT AS PART OF THE FIRST HOUSE.
WE'RE NOT SURE, AND WE CAN HEAR FROM THEM THIS EVENING.
BUT WHAT WE'VE DONE IN OTHER INSTANCES IS PHASE THE TREE REMOVAL.
SO IT WOULD NOT BE A CLEAR CUT OF 200 AND SOME ODD TREES IN ONE FAILED SWOOP, UM, FOR THE LAND TO POTENTIALLY SIT THERE FOR WHO KNOWS HOW LONG UNTIL A BUYER COMES ALONG AND THEN PUTS IN A HOUSE, A DRIVEWAY, AND THE FINAL LANDSCAPING.
THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT HOW IT THINGS OPERATE FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT, A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT WOULD NOT BE ISSUED UNTIL A BUILDING PERMIT IS SOUGHT.
SO I HAVE A TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
WHAT IS, IS THIS APPLICANT GONNA BE PUTTING THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN? NO.
IS THIS IS A QUESTION YOU'RE GONNA ASK THE APPLICANT TO RESPOND? YEAH, SO, UH, I, I CAN ANSWER THAT.
UM, WE'RE, WE CERTAINLY DON'T INTEND TO BUILD THE HOMES.
I THINK, UM, MOST LIKELY WE WOULD MARKET IT.
UM, IF WE'RE ABLE TO GET AN APPROVAL, WE WOULD MARKET IT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE
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APPROVAL AND NOT, UH, IMPROVE THE, UH, LAND, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER WORDS, NOT PUT THE ROADS IN, ET CETERA.UM, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE'LL PUT THE ROADS IN, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT BUILDING THE HOMES IS, IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE, UH, INTENDING TO DO AT ALL.
AARON, LEMME JUST BE CLEAR, UH, ON WHAT YOU SAID BECAUSE, UH, ZOOM IS REALLY GOOD, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S GARBLE.
AARON, CAN I, CAN I, CAN I, CAN THIS THING FLIP SO I CAN SEE AARON'S FACE? HOW DO I DO THAT? YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO CYCLE THROUGH.
I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS WITH AN IPAD, BUT DAVE, DO YOU WANNA STOP SHARING THE SCREEN FOR A SECOND SO THAT EVERYBODY'S FACES ARE, THERE WE GO.
AND I JUST WANNA, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, I, I WANT TO KEN TO BE SURE THAT HE'S CLEAR ON THIS.
UM, AND CONSISTENT WITH SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN DOING, AT LEAST SINCE THE CARVILLE ESTATES, UM, ROAD, HUH? DRUM ROAD IS THE FIRST TIME.
ROAD'S ANOTHER ONE THAT YOU DON'T ISSUE BUILDING PERMITS UNTIL IT'S REAL.
YOU DON'T ISSUE 'EM ON WHAT IT MIGHT BE.
WHEN THEY NEED TO DO, WHEN THEY NEED TO DO A ROAD, YOU'LL GIVE 'EM THE BUILDING PERMITS FOR THE ROAD.
I'M SORRY, THE TREE PERMITS FOR THE ROAD.
WHEN THEY NEED TO DO INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU, WHOEVER DOES THE ROAD, WHOEVER IT IS, PRESENT OWNER OR FUTURE OWNER, YOU GIVE THEM THE TREE PERMIT WHEN THEY NEED TO THE ROAD OR THEY NEED TO DO THE UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU GIVE 'EM THAT WHENEVER SOMEONE DOES IT, THEN AFTER SOMEONE BUYS A HOUSE.
'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER SOMEONE'S GONNA SAY, OH GEE, I WANT A LITTLE PLACE IN THE WOODS.
I, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE'S GOT AN APARTMENT IN THE CITY AND SAYS, I GOT, I WANT A PLACE IN THE WOODS IN THE COUNTRY AND THIS IS ONLY, YOU KNOW, 40 MINUTES AWAY OR 35 MINUTES AWAY.
THEY KEEP, MAYBE THEY KEEP A LOT OF 'EM, OR YOU HAVE SOMEONE ELSE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, I WANT A YARD FOR THE KIDS TO PLAY.
AND YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF THEY THAT EVERYONE, EACH HOMEOWNER INDIVIDUALLY COMES TO YOU.
AND WHEN IT'S, IT'S WHEN IT'S PRESENT.
SO, SO PETER, UM, THAT WASN'T ALL THAT VERY ARTICULATE, BUT WOULD YOU BE SURE THAT THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS WHEN YOU DO THE MINUTES AND AARON CAN LOOK RIGHT.
SO TO TO, TO BE CLEAR, TREE REMOVAL WILL NOT TAKE PLACE UNTIL BUILDING PERMITS ARE FILED FOR CERTAIN ACTIONS AND ACTIVITY ON THE SITE.
AND UNTIL THOSE PERMITS ARE READY TO BE ISSUED.
I HAVE A FINAL QUESTION, MARGARET.
LEMME GET SOMETHING IN THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE NUMBER OF SUBDIVISIONS THAT WE'VE, UH, WORKED THROUGH OVER THE LAST FIVE TO 10 YEARS.
THERE'S ANOTHER ONE KNOWN AS, UM, THE CARRIAGE HILL SUBDIVISION OFF S FERRY ROAD.
THAT ONE HAD WETLANDS AND STEEP SLOPES AND A VERY SIMILAR, UH, I THINK THAT WAS 12 OR 13 LOTS, BUT VERY SIMILAR FASHION IN TERMS OF HOW THE TOWN WILL BE PROCESSING PERMITS ASSOCIATED WITH DEVELOPMENT.
AND AARON, WOULD YOU PLEASE LOOK AT THE DRAFT OF, NO, YOU DON'T NORMALLY LOOK AT OUR MINUTES, WOULD YOU? BUT WOULD YOU PLEASE LOOK AT, UH, PETER'S MINUTES, THE DRAFT TO BE SURE WE GET THIS CORRECT.
I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE PLOT.
THERE'S AN, THERE'S AN UNBUILT SITE, IT SEEMS TO ME, ALL THE WAY ON THE LEFT OF THE PLOT PLAN.
WHAT, WHAT ARE THE INTENTIONS? I MEAN, IT SEEMS TO ME, BASED ON THE OTHER HOUSES IN THE AREA THAT THAT'S A BUILDABLE SITE.
WHAT IS THE, UM, IT'S NOT MARGARET.
WHY ARE YOU SHAKING YOUR HEAD? I'M, SO I THINK WE'VE, I'VE BEEN THERE, I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WE WOULD BE PUTTING A NO BUILD RESTRICTION ONTO.
IT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE A FOURTH LOT.
AND WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO, I THINK AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, BEFORE YOUR COUNCIL, AND WE'VE DEFINITELY COMMITTED TO THAT BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD.
JUST TO TAKE A STEP BACK, THIS APPLICATION FIRST STARTED OUT AS A FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION WITH A HOUSE ON THAT PORTION OF LAND.
I MISSED THAT INCEPTION AND WE GOT RID OF IT BECAUSE THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, YOU KNOW, BASED ON CONVERSATIONS WE AGREED WE'LL JUST STICK WITH A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION.
WE'LL PUT NO BUILD RESTRICTIONS ON THAT PORTION.
UH, MS. ROBS, HOW DOES, WHERE, WHERE IS THE NO BUILD RESTRICTION DOCUMENTED? WHERE WILL IT BE DOCUMENTED? NO, BUILD RESTRICTIONS ARE, ARE FILED IN THE COUNTY.
IT'LL, WE COULD ALSO PUT A NOTE ON THE SUBDIVISION PLAT, BUT, UM, SO, SO IT COULD BE A NOTE ON SUBDIVISION PLAN AND IT IT WILL BE FILED.
I, I CAN'T, SO IT'S ALSO A COMPONENT OF THE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL IF THE
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PROJECT WERE APPROVED.KEN, I JUST WANNA BE, UH, JUST SEE IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS NOW FOR, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS OR SO.
WE'VE GOT SEVERAL SIMILAR THINGS.
AND WHAT AARON, THE C A C AND AARON HAVE WORKED OUT IS DESIGNED SO THAT WHAT GETS CUT IN TERMS OF TREES IS WHAT'S NEEDED.
BUT SINCE DIFFERENT PEOPLE CAN HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS ON WHAT THEY WANT ON THEIR LOT, WE TRY TO PRESERVE IT UNTIL WE GET SOMETHING THAT'S PRESENT.
AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS OR SO THAT THIS, UH, WE WORKED OUT, UH, WITH AARON AND, UH, AND ALL THE APPLICANTS.
WE HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM WITH ANY APPLICANT OBJECTIONS.
MARGARET, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY? MARGARET? IS THERE GONNA BE A BLASTING? I THINK KEN WAS ABOUT TO, UM, MAKE A COMMENT.
OH, AARON, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU OR I HAVE CONTROL, BUT, UH, WE HAVE TO GET MR. CHERIAN BACK IN.
YEAH, BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE IT.
WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S TRYING TO GET BACK.
IS THERE GONNA BE THE BLASTING MARGARET? HOLD ON, KEN.
NO, I WAS JUST SAYING THAT IT MADE SENSE.
WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU SAID MADE SENSE.
NO, NO, I KNOW YOU UNDERSTAND.
I JUST WANNA SEE IF YOU HAD ANY COMMENTS ON, ON HOW WE NOT YET.
WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THERE'S GONNA BE BLASTING.
NOW, DAVE, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE BLASTING, EVEN THOUGH YOU DO SEE ROCK OUTCROPS ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, WE'VE GONE OUT AND DONE SOME PRELIMINARY, UH, TEST HOLES AND THERE IS, UM, ADEQUATE SOIL.
WE DID TEST PITS ON EACH LOT AND WE ALSO DID SOME TEST PITS IN THE ROADWAY.
THERE MAY BE SOME, SOME CHIPPING
H HOW DEEP IS YOUR, UH, ARE YOU, YOU GOT OUTCROPPING, SO YOU'RE NORMALLY, WHAT, TWO TO FOUR FEET, UH, TO BEDROCK ON? OR IS IT MORE, OR, OR IS IT VARY THROUGHOUT THE, THE OLD LAND? HOW'S THAT WORK? YEAH, IF I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN AGAIN, I'LL, I'LL SHOW YOU WHERE THE OUTCROPPINGS ARE.
CAN YOU SEE MY SCREEN NOW? NOT YET.
WHERE THESE AREAS WITH THE HATCH ARE THE ROCK OUT CROPPINGS? YEAH.
WHICH, WHICH ARE FARTHER, UH, UP THE HILL.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE PUT THE HOUSES IN BETWEEN THEM.
SO, SO THE WATER DRAINS OFF TOWARDS THAT CENTER OF THE CIRCLE, OF COURSE DOWN TO THE NEIGHBORS.
DO DO YOU MEAN ACROSS THE ENTIRE SITE? BECAUSE THERE'S SOME DIFFERENT DRAINAGE PATTERNS AND, UM, PROPOSAL IN TERMS OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE THE APPLICANT TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AND THE DRAINAGE AND POSSIBLE AND POSSIBLE BLESSING.
DAVID, COULD YOU ADDRESS THAT FOR US? SURE.
EACH ONE OF THE PROPOSED HOUSES, UH, WILL HAVE A SUBSURFACE CHAMBER SYSTEM TO DETAIN AND INFILTRATE THE RUNOFF FROM THE ROOF OF THE HOUSE, FROM THE ROOF OF EACH HOUSE.
SO THAT'S INDEPENDENT OF THE SYSTEM.
THE DRIVEWAYS FOR EACH HOUSE, UH, WILL DRAIN DOWN TO THE CUL-DE-SAC AREA.
SORRY, I'M JUST GOING BACK TO THE LAYOUT PLAN.
THIS DRIVEWAY WAS WIDENED AT THE REQUEST OF THE ARLEY FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND THIS RUNOFF WILL RUN DOWN TO THE POROUS ASPHALT ROADWAY, WHICH HAS ABOUT A FOOT OF STONE UNDERNEATH IT.
WHICH WILL BE UTILIZED FOR DETENTION IN THE INFILTRATION OF THE RUNOFF FROM THE DRIVEWAYS AND FROM THE ROADWAY ITSELF.
BUT DAVE, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT STONE THAT YOU'LL BE BRINGING CRUSHED STONE FOR INFILTRATION PURPOSES,
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RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.AND GOING BACK TO GRADING PLAN, UH, THE INTENTION IS THE RUNOFF THAT'S COMING DOWN THE HILL TOWARDS THE CUL-DE-SAC.
WE HAVE A SERIES OF CATCH BASINS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL BEHIND THE CURB THAT WILL BYPASS THIS RUNOFF THAT'S COMING OFF THE HILL FROM THE WOODS AND FUTURE LANDSCAPED AND TURF AREAS AND BYPASS IT.
SO IT DOES NOT GO THROUGH THE, UH, OR ASPHALT SYSTEM.
SO THEN WHERE WILL IT GO? WHERE WILL THOSE CONDUITS GO IF IT'S GOING INTO, OKAY, IT'S GOING DETACH BASINS AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS? YEP.
IT GOING TO THESE CATCH BASINS? UH, LEMME GUESS, GUESS IS MY, MY GUESS IS IT'S GOING INTO THE SPRINGBROOK.
WELL, WHY DON'T WE LET THE APPLICANT TELL US WHERE IT'S GOING? YEAH, WE'LL GO, WILL GO INTO PROPOSED STORM PIPES IN THE PROPOSED ROAD, WHICH WILL LEAD OUT TO ARDSLEY ROAD AND TIE IN TO THE STORM SYSTEM IN ALEY ROAD.
IS THAT STORM SYSTEM ON ALEY ROAD ADEQUATE, HAS THAT BEEN APPROVED? UM, OF THE PRELIMINARY SLIP HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO ENGINEERING, UH, WHICH THEY'RE REVIEWING IT, BUT THERE ARE, I THINK IT'S A 24 INCH, UH, DIAMETER STORM LINES GOING DOWN ARLEY ROAD.
NOW I THINK WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT, THE MATERIALS WE WERE SENT, THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT AN OPEN PIPE SOMEWHERE ON THE PROPERTY.
IS THAT RINGING ANY BELLS WITH ANYBODY? 'CAUSE I COULDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHY THERE WAS AN OPEN PIPE.
YEAH, THERE, THERE IS AN OPEN PIPE TO THE SIDE OF MR. DR, UH, MR. MARIN'S DRIVEWAY RIGHT HERE.
SO THERE WAS THAT PART OF MR. MARIN'S BUILDING THE DRIVEWAY OR THAT'S PART OF HIS EXISTING DRIVEWAY.
SO THIS IS MR. MARIN'S PIPE, RIGHT.
AND IT'S ON MR. MARIN'S PROPERTY, NOT YOURS? CORRECT.
AND OBVIOUSLY, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT DRIVEWAY IS GOING TO BE GETTING REMOVED AND, UM, THE PIPE, DAVE, I ASSUME WILL REMOVE THE PIPE, THE CALCULATIONS WE'VE DONE AS FAR AS STORM WATER FACTOR IN OUR NEW DRIVEWAY AND, AND OUS FROM THE OTHER DRIVEWAY.
DAVID, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU OR ARE YOU THINKING, UM, HELLO? I'M TRYING TO MOVE THE PLAN AROUND HERE.
WITH ZOOM, YOU HAVE TO LIKE BLINK EVERY, NOW IT'S SORT OF LIKE BEING IN OFFICE WITH ONE OF THOSE LIGHTS TURN OFF.
YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, YOU VERY INTENT ON YOUR COMPUTER SCREEN, BUT YOU HAVE TO MOVE YOUR ON EVERY NOW AND THEN HAVE ONE OF THOSE WHEN I WORK.
GOTTA LET US KNOW YOU'RE THERE AND WE'RE STILL HOOKED UP.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO GO OVER, UM, THE TREE PRESERVATION PLANS PREPARED BY THE DAVY RESEARCH GROUP.
UH, AARON, ARE YOU STILL ON AARON? YES, I'M HERE.
MIKE, I JUST ALWAYS SURE YOU WERE ON FOR THIS WAITING FOR THE DRAWING TO COME UP.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S LOADING VERY SLOW.
I'LL TELL YOU GUYS I WAS THERE.
DAVEY RESSER, UH, RESOURCE GROUP PREPARED THESE TREE PRESERVATION PLANS, WHICH TREES ARE, OH, BY THE WAY, DAVEY'S SO GOOD.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE, DAVID, GO AHEAD PLEASE.
AND THEY'RE ALSO SHOWING WHICH TREES ARE BEING PRESERVED AND PROTECTED, WHICH ARE THE ONES THAT ARE AROUND THE PERIMETER.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS OUR LIMITED
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DISTURBANCE.THE TREES THAT ARE CLOSE TO THAT ARE ONES THAT ARE BEING PROTECTED.
DAVE, ARE YOU ABLE TO ZOOM IN A BIT ON THAT? SURE.
WHAT DOES THE X MEAN? THE TREES ARE BEING REMOVED WITH THE RED XS, BUT I, I'M CONFUSED ON THE PREDICATE.
NOTHING'S BEING REMOVED UNTIL SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING.
THIS, YEAH, THIS IS ON WHAT AARON WAS TALKING ABOUT, THE, THE LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE.
SO WE STUDY, UH, AN AREA OF DISTURBANCE THAT WE THINK THE BUILDING WOULD FALL INTO.
AND DAVE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THIS, UH, AS PART OF OUR, OUR SUBDIVISION APPLICATION, IF A PERSON CAME IN AND CHANGED THE PROPOSAL AND THE PROPOSAL WENT BEYOND WHAT OUR STUDIED LIMIT OF DISTURBANCES, THEY WOULD GO BACK BEFORE THE BOARDS TO GET APPROVALS FOR THAT.
WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS THE TREES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE REMOVED TO BUILD THE HOUSE ON LOT ONE.
BUT, BUT WAIT A MINUTE, AARON, HELP ME.
WE JUST SAID, I THOUGHT WE DON'T DEAL WITH TREES UNTIL SOMEONE BUYS IT AND COMES IN WITH A, SEEKS A BUILDING PERMIT.
WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T PROCESS THE PERMIT TO REMOVE THE TREES AS IN CONNECTION WITH THE SUBDIVISION.
UH, IT'S VERY CUSTOMARY FOR, UH, A DEVELOPER, AN APPLICANT TO SHOW THE HOMES TO SHOW, UH, A DRIVEWAY CONCEPTUAL AND A LIMITED DISTURBANCE, PARTICULARLY WITH DISTURBANCES TO STEEP SLOPE AREAS, WETLANDS AND WETLAND BUFFER AREAS.
THAT HAS TO BE SHOWN FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO BE ABLE TO PROPERLY AND ACCURATELY CARRY OUT THE SEEKER PROCESS.
BECAUSE AS YOU MAY KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON ITS OWN COULD VERY EASILY CONSTITUTE A TYPE TWO ACTION.
SUBDIVISIONS ARE NOT TYPE TWO ACTIONS.
AT A MINIMUM, THEY'RE UNLISTED ACTIONS REQUIRING AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM AND POTENTIALLY MORE THAN THAT.
UH, SO THIS IS TO ESTABLISH THE LIMITED DISTURBANCE TO SHOW WHICH TREES FALL WITHIN THE LIMITED DISTURBANCE, WHICH TREES MAY BE PRESERVED.
AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN, LET'S WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOT ONE, LOT ONE, THE SUBDIVISION, LET'S SAY DOWN THE ROAD IS APPROVED WITH THIS LIMITED DISTURBANCE.
THEN SOMEONE COMES TO BUY LOT ONE AND BUILD IT.
THE TREES ARE ALL STILL THERE ON LOT ONE, NOT ONE TREE HAS BEEN REMOVED.
THEY WANT TO BUY IT, THEY WANT TO DEVELOP IT.
THEY COME UP WITH THEIR PLAN TO BUILD.
WELL, IT HAS TO CONFORM TO THIS PLAN IN TERMS OF THE LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE.
IF THEY WANNA DO LESS, UH, BECAUSE THEY WANT THAT WOODED HOUSE IN THE COUNTRY, THEY'RE FREE TO DO SO.
BUT IF THEY WANTED TO EXPAND OUT BEYOND THAT, THESE LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND POTENTIALLY THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL FOR FURTHER REVIEW.
SO THIS IS SORT OF THE, IT, IT IS THE LIMITED DISTURBANCE AND IT'S IT'S THE MAX ANYONE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHEN THEY CAME INTO DEVELOP.
UH, JUST ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP QUESTION, AARON.
UH, IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND WANTS TO DO ALL THE XSS, ALL THE WHAT XS? IF SOMEONE WANTS TO TAKE DOWN ALL THE XS YEAH, YEAH.
MIKE DID, THEY DIDN'T HAVE, JUST BECAUSE IT SHOWS UP ON THIS, DO THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT? YEAH, I'M SORRY.
THEY, IF IF THEY, IF SOMEONE BOUGHT A LOT ONE JUST FULLY TREE AND THEY CAME IN WITH A PLAN THAT COMPLIED WITH THIS PLAN IN TERMS OF LIMITED DISTURBANCE, THIS IS A PRE-APPROVAL ESSENTIALLY FOR SOMETHING FOR THIS PLAN.
THEY WOULD BE ABLE, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO, HAS TO BE, HAS TO RETURN TO C A C, ANYTHING THAT'S LESS THAN IT IS AUTOMATICALLY.
THIS GOES THROUGH, RIGHT, RIGHT.
AND, AND AND ALSO WITH THAT, THERE WOULD BE A LANDSCAPING PROPOSAL THAT CONFORMS WITH THE TREE ORDINANCE.
SO THEY WOULD BE NOW IF THEY WANTED TO, SO WE WOULD REVIEW THAT BEFORE THE TREE REMOVAL PERMITS ISSUED,
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WE WOULD REVIEW THAT AND IF IT DIDN'T CONFORM, THEY WOULDN'T GET APPROVAL TO REMOVE THE TREES.AND, AND THAT'S HOW IT'S WORKED FOR MANY YEARS NOW.
SO, AND, AND WOULD WORK UNDER THE CURRENT AND THE NEW LAW, I SHOULD SAY SEC MARGARET.
SO I THINK, AND I THINK THE OTHER IN MIND THAT BY DOING IT THIS WAY BEFORE THE, IS HOW, HOW THEY REACHED THE TYPE OF THING WHERE THEY ELIMINATED THE FOURTH LOT.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAD THE FOURTH LOT, YOU ALSO HAD A SCHEMATIC FOR THE FOURTH LOT LIKE THIS, WHICH THEN LED PLANNING BOARD TO SAYING THAT'S TOO MUCH.
AND THE APPLICANT HAS ELIMINATED THE FOURTH LOT AS A BUILDABLE LOT.
SO IT'S PLANNING TOOL AS AARON HAS SAID.
AND I THINK THAT THE THING IS, THE OTHER THING IS NOW THAT WE HAVE OUR COMMUNITY TREE, MA TREE TREE, WHAT, WHAT IS IT? COMMUNITY TREE MANAGEMENT MANAGEMENT LORE.
WHEN THESE TREES COME DOWN, THEN THEY WILL BE PUTTING IN THE ONES TO CO THE, UH, PROPORTIONATE TO COMPENSATE FOR WHAT THEY'RE TAKING DOWN.
THERE'S, THERE ARE, THERE ARE TREES THAT ARE XED OUT THAT, OH, I SEE.
I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE LIMIT, WHY THE LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE ARE DRAWN ALL THE WAY UP TO THAT ROCK OUTCROPPING.
DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE, THE, THE ADJACENT BUILDABLE LOT? I WILL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO IT, BUT I BELIEVE IT HAS TO DO WITH GRADING IN ORDER TO PROVIDE PROPER GRADING ON THAT LOT ABOVE.
I'M GONNA LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO IT, BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
AARON'S CORRECT PROPOSED GRADING.
DOES THIS, DOES THIS ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE REPLANTED UNDER THE, THE NEW TREE LAW? SO I'M GONNA LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THAT AS WELL.
I BELIEVE WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS THEY'VE PREPARED WHAT'S CALLED A CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPE PLAN, MUCH LIKE THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL BUILDING PLAN, CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPE PLAN.
AND I'M GONNA LET THEM WALK, WALK US THROUGH THAT, WHICH IS BASICALLY GOING TO BE THE MINIMUM THAT A LOT DEVELOPER OR BUILDER WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH IN THE FUTURE TO MEET THE STANDARD.
NOW THEY COULD DO MORE, MUCH LIKE THEY CAN REMOVE LESS, THEY CAN PLANT MORE, BUT THERE WILL BE A MINIMUM.
BUT, BUT, BUT YOU HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT.
AND BUT TO QUITE ADDRESS, WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND SAYS, I WILL REMOVE ALL THESE XS AND I WANNA REPLANT JUST WHAT'S ON THE CONCEPTUAL, DO YOU HAVE THE POWER UNDER THE NEW TREE LAW TO SAY NO MORE PLANTINGS ARE NEEDED.
WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE THEM TO COMPLY IN FULL WITH THE NEW TREE LAW.
SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF THEY WERE TO APPLY THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, WHICH I'M GONNA ASK THEM TO SHOW US.
AND THAT, AND THAT PLAN MEETS THE THRESHOLD.
SO THIS DOES FALL UNDER THE, UM, UNDEVELOPED FORESTED PROPERTY.
SO IT'S A 30% PLACEMENT REQUIREMENT.
EACH LOT IS GOING TO HAVE TO MEET THE 30 PLATE, 30%.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SITE-WIDE.
SO I JUST WANT YOU TO BE, I WANT EVERYONE TO BE AWARE OF THAT AS WELL.
IT'S NOT LIKE THEY CAN HYPER FOCUS TREES ALONG ALONG THE ROAD TO MEET THE 30 AND THEN SAY, OH, WE HAVE VERY LITTLE, WE NEED TO DO ON LOT ONE OR LOT THREE OR LOT TWO.
EACH LOT IS GONNA BE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE 30%, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS TO SHOW COMPLIANCE AND DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE NOW.
AND IT HAS SO IN, OR WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM THEM.
BUT THEY WOULD DO SO IN THE FORM OF A CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND THEN THE PLANTINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THE ROADWAY, WHICH IS AS THEY NOTED GOING TO BE ON ITS OWN SEPARATE LOT, WHICH I WOULD BELIEVE WOULD BE LOT FOUR.
SO AARON, YOU, SO IN OTHER WORDS, AARON, THE, THE, IN OTHER WORDS AARON, IF, IF SOMEBODY WERE TO BUILD EXACTLY LIKE THIS CONCEPTUAL, UM, UH, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, INDICATION OF THE HOUSE AND ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE, UM, TAKEN DOWN AND THEY ALSO PLANTED EVERYTHING THEY SAID ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLANTING PLAN, WOULD THEY SATISFY THE TREE LAW REQUIREMENTS? IN OTHER WORDS, UH, YOU'RE ESTABLISHING A MAX AND IN, AND THE QUESTION IS, IS THE MIN SUFFICIENT?
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RIGHT.SO WE'RE GONNA ASK THE APPLICANT TO WALK US THROUGH THAT.
SO ALL THE TREES THAT ARE WITHIN THE LIMITED DISTURBANCE OR WITHIN 30 FEET OF THE LIMITED DISTURBANCE ARE SHOWN ON THEIR TREE SCHEDULE.
THAT'S HOW BAZILLION TREES COMING DOWN.
NOW THESE AREN'T JUST, THESE ARE THE OLDER TREES THAT WE'RE SURVEYED.
OKAY, MARK, LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, IT'S GOT THE TREE NUMBER, IT'S EXAMINER, THE COMMON NAME, BOTANICAL NAME, CONDITION RATING, WHETHER IT'S IF ANY OF THEM ARE DEAD AND APPROXIMATE CANOPY.
AND WHAT WE DID WAS TO TAKE THE INFORMATION FROM THE TREES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED AND WE IMPORTED THAT INTO THE EYE ECHO PROGRAM.
AND WE USED THAT PROGRAM TO EVALUATE THE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED IN TERMS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL VALUE OF TOTAL WATER AND GALLONS AND ALSO THE TOTAL C O TWO IN POUNDS FOR WHAT IS BEING RE WHAT WOULD NEED TO BE REMOVED TO BUILD THE ENTIRE PROJECT.
THEN WHAT WE DID WAS WE WENT TO OUR LANDSCAPING PLAN.
OH, WHICH CONSISTS OF THE STREET TREES, WHICH CONSISTS OF THE STREET TREES, THE TREES THAT WILL BE PLANTED ALONG EDNA DRIVEWAY, THE TREE IN THE CENTER OF THE CUL-DE-SAC, AS WELL AS WE HAVE PREPARED A CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPING PLAN FOR ONE OF THE LOTS.
AND WE HAVE A PLANT SCHEDULE JUST FOR THIS.
SO WE TOOK THE INFORMATION FOR THE PROPOSED TREES, STREET TREES, THE TREE IN THE CENTER OF THE CUL-DE-SAC, THE TREES WILL BE PLANTED IN MAR DRIVEWAY.
AND WE TOOK THE TOTALS FOR ONE OF THESE LOTS AND WE MULTIPLIED THE NUMBER OF TREES HERE BY THREE BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO OTHER LOTS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE SUMMARIZED IN THE TABLE THAT WE SUBMITTED WHEN WE DID THE EXISTING ENVIRONMENTAL VALUE, WE DID IT CONSERVATIVELY BECAUSE THERE ARE INVASIVE SPECIES TREES, UM, THAT ACCORDING TO THE TREE LAW HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL VALUE OF ZERO.
BUT WE INCLUDED THEM IN HERE JUST SO WE COULD SEE WHAT THE TOTAL C O TWO AND TOTAL WATER FROM THOSE TREES IS.
JUST TO CLARIFY, DAVE, I'M SORRY, THAT'S NOT TRUE.
IT'S, IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THE INVASIVES DON'T HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL VALUE.
WHAT THE CODE SAYS IS THAT YOU DO, YOU'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO REPLACE THE ENVIRONMENTAL VALUE FOR INVASIVE SPECIES.
BUT NEVERTHELESS, THE APPLICANT WENT SO FAR AS TO INCLUDE, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, DAVE, THEY DIDN'T JUST WRITE ZEROS OR NA WITH ALL THE INVASIVES.
THEY ACTUALLY UTILIZED THE VALUES THAT WERE PROVIDED THROUGH IRE TO COME UP WITH THE TOTAL VALUE FOR THE SITE IN ORDER TO COME UP WITH THE VALUE THAT'S REQUIRED IN TERMS OF REPLACEMENT.
SO THEY DIDN'T JUST ELIMINATE THOSE.
UH, UH, DAY ONE QUESTION, ARE THE LOTS APPROXIMATELY THE SAME? USE THE BASE ONE AND THEN MULTIPLY BY THREE.
ARE THE, ARE THE LOTS APPROXIMATELY THE SAME SIZE? UH, LEMME JUST GO BACK BUT JUST TELL ME.
I THINK IT'S MORE A FUNCTION OF A FUNCTION IS A LOT BIGGER AS YOU, I MEAN A LOT ONE, I'M SORRY.
LOT ONE, IT WOULD BE MORE A FUNCTION OF THE DISTURB AREA OF DISTURBANCE AND THE TREE REMOVAL VERSUS THE ACTUAL LOT SIZE, IN MY OPINION.
ABOUT, ABOUT, ARE THEY ABOUT THE SAME SIZE? THE DISTURBANCE IS ABOUT THE SAME SIZE FOR LOTS TWO AND THREE.
UH, THE DISTURBANCE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR LOT ONE AS YOU CAN SEE BECAUSE IT HAS THE LONGER DRIVEWAY.
SO THAT, SO THAT WHAT YOU DID WORKS FINE.
I WAS GONNA SAY, AARON, YOU SAID THAT THEY WOULD BE EVALUATED BY LOT ANYWAY, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.
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THEY FILE FOR TREE REMOVAL, WHETHER IT BE LOT ONE, LOT TWO OR LOT THREE, THEY'RE GONNA SHOW US THE ACTUAL TREE REMOVAL PROPOSED AT THE TIME OF THE BUILDING PERMIT SUBMISSION.AT THAT TIME THEY'LL HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE AS WELL.
SO THEY'RE SHOWING COMPLIANCE NOW AND THEY'LL AGAIN HAVE TO SHOW COMPLIANCE PRIOR TO ANY TREE COMING DOWN.
AND AT THAT TIME IT WOULD BE ADJUSTED UPWARD OR DOWNWARD DEPENDING ON WHAT WAS COMING DOWN.
SO THAT, SO WE'RE ALL UNDERSTANDING THIS, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING IT CORRECTLY, SOMETIMES IT HELPS TO REPEAT WHAT YOU THINK YOU UNDERSTAND THAT'S CORRECT.
IN THE AREA OF DISTURBANCE, IF SOMEONE CAME IN AND WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THE LITTLE CHALET IN THE WOODS AND THEY DIDN'T TAKE DOWN AS MANY TREES, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO REPLACE AS MANY.
CONVERSELY, IF FOR SOME REASON THEY CAME IN AND WANTED TO INCREASE THE AREA OF DISTURBANCE FOR SOME REASON THE AMOUNT OF TREES THEY WOULD BE TAKING DOWN WOULD INCREASE ACCORDING TO THE LAW THAT'S RIGHT.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, KEEP IN MIND THAT THE REASON WHY WE ALSO HAVE IT ON THE BACK END AND SORRY, SORRY TO JUMP IN MIKE, IS SO WE DON'T KNOW ARE, IS THIS SUBDIVISION GONNA GO THROUGH WITHIN THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY YEAR AND THEN THE LOTS ARE GONNA SELL QUICKLY OR ARE THEY NOT? WHO'S TO SAY? SO WE WANT ACCURATE INFORMATION AT THE TIME THE TREE REMOVAL OR PRIOR TO THE TREE REMOVAL TAKING PLACE.
UM, TREES COULD BECOME STORM DAMAGE FALL DOWN.
THERE COULD BE NEW TREES THAT, OR TREES THAT ARE UNDER THE THRESHOLD TODAY THAT ARE OVER THE THRESHOLD THREE YEARS FROM NOW.
SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ALL GET EVALUATED AT THE TIME AS MIKE AND OTHERS HAVE SAID RIGHT BEFORE THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
I, I'M SORRY, BEFORE THE BUILDING PERMIT IS ISSUED.
AARON, THE PROCESS SOUNDS RIGHT.
YEAH, IT IT DOES, IT SOUNDS GOOD AARON.
JUST BECAUSE, UH, WE, IT'S ALL A LITTLE NEW
AND IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT YOU WOULD'VE TIME BEFORE THIS THING ULTIMATELY GOES THROUGH, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD PROCESS? YOU COULD PUT ON ONE PAGE OR ONE AND A HALF PAGE, WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED TO US AND IT COULD BECOME PART OF THE PLANNING BOARD RECORD BOTH FOR THIS ONE AND FOR GOING FORWARD.
SO WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE AND IT'S ALL WRITTEN DOWN ONE PLACE.
I THINK WE CAN DO THAT FOR YOU.
IF THE CAC WOULDN'T MIND EMAILING ME THAT REQUEST, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
YEAH, YOU BE, YEAH, WE'LL DO THAT.
YEAH, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S A GOOD PROCESS TO HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN.
UH, AND IT'S THE SAME FOR THIS APPLICANT AND EVERY OTHER APPLICANT.
AND IT'S, AND IT'S CLEAR, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE RULES ARE TO THE NEW LAW AND IT'S, EVERYONE'S TREATED, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CLEAR WHAT IT IS AND IT'S WRITTEN DOWN.
WE CAN JUST PUT THIS AS PART OF THE RECORD OF, UH, YOU KNOW, OF, OF THE PLANNING BOARD PROCEEDINGS AND PUT IT ALSO PART OF THE RECORD IN ONE OF THE MINUTES OF, OF THE C A C.
DAVE, YOU WANNA GO CONTINUE WITH YOUR PRESENTATION, LISA? SURE.
SO WHAT WE, WE TOOK THE TREES FROM OUR LANDSCAPING PLAN AND THE TREE FROM THE CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPING PLAN.
AND AS I SAID, WE MULTIPLY THOSE TIMES THREE BECAUSE THERE'S THREE LOTS.
AND WE INPUT THE INFORMATION FOR THOSE TREES INTO THE I TREE DESIGN SOFTWARE, WHICH IS, UH, DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE WE COULDN'T USE THE ONE, UH, THAT WE HAD USED FOR EXISTING.
UH, SO WE HAD TO MANUALLY PUT THE TREES INTO IRE DESIGN, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE ENVIRONMENTAL VALUES THAT WE NEEDED, WHICH ARE THE TOTAL WATER AND TOTAL C O TWO.
SO WHEN WE COMPARE THE ENVIRONMENTAL OF THE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED AND THE PROPOSED TREES THAT ARE BEING PLANTED, WE REPLACED 42%, UH, OF THE WATER.
AND IF WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THE INVASIVES, THAT WOULD BE EVEN A HIGHER REPLACEMENT.
AND THEN IT ADD THE REPLACEMENT OF C O TWO ACTUALLY INCREASED INSTEAD OF DECREASED, WHICH WE WERE EVEN, WHICH WE WERE EVEN A LITTLE SURPRISED ABOUT.
BUT IT'S THE SPECIES THAT ARE BEING PLANTED.
AARON, EXCUSE ME, DID I UNDERSTAND YOU USED TWO DIFFERENT TOOLS? 'CAUSE I THOUGHT WE WAS AARON ARE YOU THERE? YES, I'M HERE
DID I UNDERSTAND THAT DAVID, TO SAY, AND I GUESS MAYBE THIS IS ACTUALLY A DAVID QUESTION, NOT AN AARON
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QUESTION, THAT YOU USED TWO DIFFERENT TOOLS TO DO THE CALCULATION.'CAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE COMMITTED TO ONLY USING ONE TOOL.
UH, YOU COULD PICK YOUR TOOL BUT YOU HAD TO USE THE SAME TOOL ON EITHER SIDE.
WE USE THE IRE ECHO, UH, SOFTWARE DUE TO THE NUMBER OF TREES THAT WERE
'CAUSE IN THAT PRO, IN THAT PROGRAM, YOU CAN IMPORT A SPREADSHEET OF ALL THOSE TREES WHERE IF YOU USE E I TREE DESIGN, YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUT THEM IN EACH TREE IN MANUALLY.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU, DID YOU USE THE SAME ONE WHEN YOU DID YOUR, UH, CALCULATION FOR THE REPLACEMENTS? THE SAME TOOL.
SO MAY I CHIME IN? ACTUALLY THIS IS JOHN.
SO YEAH, SO THE, BASICALLY THROUGH SOME CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE ACTUAL EYE TREE SUPPORT TEAM THEMSELVES, WE'VE ALL CAME TO THE SAME CONCLUSIONS THAT THEY ESSENTIALLY TOLD US.
AND ONE OF THOSE IS THE FACT THAT YOU CAN USE THE IRE ECO V SIX TOOL TO CALCULATE HYDROLOGY BENEFITS OF EXISTING TREES, BUT THERE'S NO WAY TO PROJECT HYDROLOGY BENEFITS OF PROPOSED TREES.
SO THAT, THAT ONE FACTOR ALONE DID NOT ALLOW US TO USE THAT SOFTWARE.
SO ESSENTIALLY WE USE THE EYE TREE DESIGN, WHICH IS WHAT I BELIEVE HAS BEEN USED ON OTHER PRO OTHER SMALLER SCALE PROJECTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE CURRENTLY.
AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU CAN DO IS YOU CAN PLUG IN ONE TREE OF A GIVEN SPECIES AND IT'S GONNA SPIT OUT A A C O TWO VALUE IN A WATER VALUE.
AND YOU CAN BASICALLY MULTIPLY IT BY THE AMOUNT THAT YOU HAVE.
AARON, HAVE WE, HAVE YOU OR ANYONE IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT CONFIRMED THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THE, THE SAME, SAME METRICS OUT OF THE TOOL THAT THEY USED FOR THE INPUT THAT WE GET OUT OF THE TOOL THAT WAS USED FOR THE OUTPUT? YES.
SO WE'VE HAD A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH WITH THE APPLICANT ON THIS AND WE HAVE CONFIRMED THAT.
THEY BROUGHT TO OUR, THEY DID BRING TO OUR ATTENTION THAT THE IRE ECO OR ECHO V SIX FOUR LARGER SCALE PROJECTS LIKE THIS IS GONNA BE, UH, MUCH EASIER TO USE.
AND IT WAS CONFIRMED THROUGH IRE AND WE VERIFIED IT AND WE HAVE ACCEPTED THIS FORMAT.
UM, IT HAS TO BE APPROVED, UM, BY US ON IN EVERY INSTANCE, BUT IT HAS IN THIS INSTANCE.
AND 'CAUSE WE, BECAUSE WE DID FIND WHEN WE WERE WRITING THE LAW, JUST SO YOU KNOW, DAVID, WHEN WE WERE WRITING THE LAW, WE FOUND THAT WE WERE HAVING, WITH THE TOOLS, UH, IF WE PUT IT IN ONE TOOL, WE GOT ONE RESULT.
IF WE PUT IT IN ANOTHER TOOL, WE GOT A DIFFERENT RESULT.
WHICH IS WHY WE WERE LOOKING FOR UNIFORMITY OF THE TOOL THAT WAS BEING USED, UH, BOTH THE INPUT OF WHAT WAS COMING DOWN AND FOR WHAT WAS GOING TO BE REPLACED.
BUT IF AARON SAYS HE'S CHECKED THIS OUT, THAT'S OKAY.
THAT IS SOMETHING WE DID, YOU KNOW, TOTALLY INTEND TO ABSOLUTELY HAVE IF POSSIBLE.
AND THEN JUST, YOU KNOW, THROUGH STUMBLING THROUGH THE PROGRAM OURSELVES, BEING THAT IT'S ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES WE'VE USED IT, WE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST REACHED CERTAIN PARAMETERS THAT BASICALLY WOULDN'T ALLOW US TO CONTINUE.
SO THROUGH TALKING BACK WITH IRE AND LIKE AARON SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'VE REACHED WHAT WE THINK IS THE BEST POSSIBLE SOLUTION.
IT IS COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES 'CAUSE THEY ARE COMPARING THE SAME VARIABLES, WHICH IS RUNOFF AVOIDED.
AND THE C O TWO SEQUESTRATION DID DAVE.
AND IT'S THE SAME DEBT DATABASE THAT'S BEING USED TO PROVIDE THESE CALCULATIONS, WHICH IS PET ITSELF.
DAVE, WHILE WHILE YOU ARE ON AND, AND, UH, EVAN'S ON ASK A SET, UH, QUESTIONS RELATED, YOU KNOW, THE TREE LAW IS NEW AND, UM, PRETTY SURE THERE MUST BE SOME GLITCHES WE HAVE, UH, IN THE, UM, APPLICATION PROCESS BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF A NEW APPROACH.
ARE THERE THINGS THAT, UH, YOU AND ROSS HAVE RUN ACROSS THAT ARE THINGS THAT SYSTEMATICALLY, UH, WE, UH, WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING TO IMPROVE THE EASE OF USE OF WHAT'S BEING ASKED IN THE APPLICATION? NOW ARE YOU REFERRING TO IRE SPECIFICALLY ANYWHERE? NO, JUST TO THE NEW, UH, THE APPLICATION UNDER THE NEW GREENBERG TREE LAW.
YEAH, ANYTHING BECAUSE WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT YOUR ADVICE, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOUR EXPERIENCE WAS AND WHAT YOUR COMMENTS WERE, WHAT YOUR ADVICE WAS, SO YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
I MEAN, I DO, I DO BELIEVE THAT, UH, ECO V SIX, FOR EXAMPLE, IS A GREAT TOOL TO USE BECAUSE IT ALLOWS YOU TO ESSENTIALLY TAKE A GIGANTIC SPREADSHEET, WHICH WAS BASICALLY TO PROVIDED TO US BY DAVY AND ESSENTIALLY FORMAT IT IN A WAY THAT YOU CAN INPUT IT AND GET ALL YOUR RESULTS ALL AT ONCE.
AND IT'S EASY BOOKKEEPING AND IT'S, YOU COULD SEE THE RESULTS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU VERY QUICKLY.
UM, BESIDES THAT, I MEAN, YES, THERE WASN'T, LIKE I SAID, THERE WASN'T A WAY TO USE THE SAME PROGRAM TO ALSO PROJECT THE PROPOSED, BUT YOU KNOW, THROUGH KIND OF JUST GOING THROUGH THE PROJECT AND STUMBLING THROUGH IT, WE'VE, IT, IT BASICALLY ENDED UP WORKING OUT AND WHERE WE FEEL CONFIDENT IN THE CALCULATION.
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JUST LIKE TO ADD, THE ONE THING ABOUT IRE ECHO WITH REGARDING WATER IS IT GIVE YOU WATER IN CUBIC FEET, NOT GALLONS.AND WE CONTACTED IRE TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY WAY WE COULD CHANGE THAT VARIABLE.
SO ONCE WE GOT OUR ANSWER IN CUBIC FEET, WE JUST CONVERTED THE GALLONS.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE TREE LAW HAS IN IT, RIGHT? WHICH WAS DEEMED ACCEPTABLE ON OUR END.
SO WHAT BASICALLY WHAT, UH, J M C AND, AND MY DISCUSSIONS WITH ROSS AT J M C IS THAT FOR IRE DESIGN AND, AND IRE MYRE AND THE NATIONAL TREE BENEFITS CALCULATOR, WHICH IS WHERE WE HAD RUN A BUNCH OF OUR SIMULATIONS, WHEN YOU'RE DOING 250 SOME ODD TREES, I'M JUST PICKING A NUMBER, PUTTING THEM IN ONE BY ONE AFTER GETTING A SPREADSHEET.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE ALL THE DATA IN A SPREADSHEET THAT YOU CAN THEN INPUT INTO A PROGRAM LIKE ECO IT, IT MAKES IT THAT, IT MAKES IT MUCH MORE EASY.
UM, AND IN THE DISCUSSIONS WITH IRE AND FOLKS FROM REPRESENTATIVES FROM IRE, YOU ARE GETTING THE VALUES.
THEY JUST HAD TO DO THAT CONVERSION FROM THE CUBIC FEET TO THE GALLONS, WHICH THEY WERE ABLE TO DO.
AND, UH, AND SO WE WERE, WE DEEMED THAT ACCEPTABLE, WHICH WE HAVE THAT ABILITY TO DO.
AND, UH, SO LARGE SCALE, WE WOULDN'T YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO JUST, NO, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
JUST THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THIS EXPERIENCE IS, YOU KNOW, WE, THIS IS A LITTLE TWEAK WE NEED TO ADD INTO THE, UH, INSTRUCTIONS THAT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ADD, UH, SOMETHING REGARDING ECO THAT MAY MAKE SENSE.
AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT THE INFORMATION THAT J M C WITH DAVEY AND WITH IRE, THE QUESTIONS THEY'VE ASKED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, IT'S BEEN HELPFUL TO OUR OFFICE, YOU KNOW, IN GETTING THESE QUESTIONS UP FRONT.
EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS, THEY'VE SOMEWHAT BEEN GUINEA PIGS OF THE NEW TREE LAW WITH RESPECT TO A LARGER, YOU KNOW, REMOVAL PALETTE.
AND SO THERE'S DEFINITELY BEEN GOOD BACK AND FORTH AND PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSIONS ALONG THE WAY.
SO I, I APPLAUD THEM IN THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE BECAUSE IT'S HELPED US AS WELL.
UM, I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA SAY, AARON, I WOULD ALSO LOVE TO ADD THAT, UH, IN THE FUTURE FOR PROPOSED TREES, LET'S SAY IT WAS EVEN A LARGER SCALE PROJECT AND IT WAS EVEN MORE, AND AGAIN, I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE WORSE THAN IT WAS NOT KNOWING THAT SHRUBS WEREN'T INCLUDED, BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT I'M THINKING IS YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR PLANT SCHEDULE THAT YOU HAVE OFF YOUR PLAN, YOU WOULD ESSENTIALLY PLUG IN ONE TRAY OF EACH OF THOSE, OF, OF EACH SPECIES AND THEN ESSENTIALLY PLUG IN THAT INFO.
LIKE LET'S SAY IT'S $10 WORTH OF WATER, $10 WORTH OF C O TWO, YOU PLUG THAT INFO INTO EXCEL AND THEN YOU JUST MULTIPLY IT BY THE QUANTITY YOU HAVE.
AND THEN THAT WOULD BE AN EASIER WAY, I THINK, TOO, TO ALSO PRODUCE THE NUMBERS THAT MAKES SENSE.
COULD BE SOMETHING WHERE WE MIGHT CONSIDER VERSUS GALLON JUST STRICTLY GALLONS AND POUNDS.
WE COULD LOOK AT ECO TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THEY DO GIVE DOLLAR VALUES AND COULD THAT BE AN ALTERNATE THAT'S NOT WRITTEN INTO THE CODE NOW AND THEY HAD TO DO SOME CONVERSIONS AND WHATNOT, BUT I HAVE NOTICED THAT THERE ARE DOLLAR DOLLAR VALUES GIVEN, SO THAT'S ONE THING WE CAN LOOK INTO.
WELL, I FIGURED THE, THE, THE GALLONS AND THE, UH, POUNDS WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE GIVEN THAT IT'S A, IT'S AN ACTUAL UNIT OF MEASUREMENT VERSUS USING SOME TYPE OF MARKET RATE FOR VARIOUS, YOU KNOW, FROM YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY TO ME, AARON DOLLAR VALUE IS NOT AN ENVIRONMENTAL METRIC.
UM, SO I THINK WE REALLY WANNA STICK WITH ENVIRONMENTAL METRICS.
I THANK YOU FOR BEING, BEING FORTHCOMING AND SHARING INFORMATION WITH US.
YEAH, AND AGAIN, YOU, AARON, YOU'LL JUST, YOU KNOW, LIST ALL, ALL THE ISSUES THAT HAVE COME OUTTA THIS VERY GOOD DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT AND YOU KNOW, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, YOU AND TERRY AND I WILL, UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT SOMEDAY IN THIS TIME.
SO, SO NOW THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE APPLICATION, I THINK IF THE TIME IS PASSING.
SO I THINK WE'VE DONE A LOT OF SIDEBARS, BUT I THINK ARE THERE OTHER ISSUES HERE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT TONIGHT? WE'VE LOOKED AT THE WETLANDS AND HOW IT WILL BE HANDLED.
UM, WERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THE WETLANDS THAT WE HAD OR ANYTHING ADDITIONALLY YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH US ON THE WETLANDS? I DON'T THINK ANYBODY AT THE WETLANDS AT ALL TONIGHT, WELL, ON, ON THE WETLAND.
I THINK MS. UH, MRS. EVANS WAS GOING TO ADDRESS THE, UH, UM, THE RATE AND THE QUANTUM AND, AND, AND
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TELL US WHAT SHE CAME UP WITH.I, UM, AS WE SAW THERE IS, UH, A, A POCKET WETLAND HERE AND, UH, THE DRAINAGE, AS DAVE POINTED OUT, IS BEING PICKED UP FROM THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES AND TAKEN TO THE COLLECTION SYSTEM, UM, IN THE COMMON ROAD.
AND I THINK THAT THE, UH, INTENT OF THE DESIGN FOR THIS LOT THREE IS TO KEEP THE AREA AROUND THIS POCKET WETLAND, UM, AS NATURAL AS CAN BE AND TO REPLANT AN AREA AROUND IT.
SO I THINK THE HYDROLOGY IN THIS WETLAND WON'T BE IMPACTED.
UM, THE STORM WATER'S BEING TAKEN ELSEWHERE, IT'S NOT BEING DIRECTED TOWARD THIS WETLAND SYSTEM.
SO, UM, I, THAT'S WHY WE, WE CAME UP WITH PLANTING ZONES FOR THE MITIGATION PLAN.
AND I WOULD JUST SAY IN TERMS OF THE, THE QUESTIONS EARLIER IN THE MEETING ABOUT, UM, MAINTENANCE AND, AND MONITORING OF THIS SYSTEM, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THIS BLOWUP.
IT, THIS, THIS WETLAND AREA IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE CUL-DE-SAC.
SO, UM, ANYONE GOING ONTO THE, THE PROPERTY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD, ANYONE DRIVING DOWN THAT ROAD GOING AROUND THE CUL-DE-SAC, WE'LL SEE THIS WETLAND AND I THINK THERE'S A, A VERY, UM, HIGH LIKELIHOOD THAT THE PLANTINGS WE'RE PROPOSING WILL TAKE AND, AND DO WELL THERE AND BE EASILY SEEN IF FOR SOME REASON SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THAT WETLAND SYSTEM.
AND THAT, AND BETH, THAT'S ALL PART OF THE PLAN.
WHAT'S YOU'RE PLANNING THERE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU, AND YOU SAY THAT GONNA, IT WON'T UPSET THE EITHER THE, THE, THE RATE OR THE QUANTUM OF, OF OF WATER IN THERE? NO, I THINK IT'LL, I THINK IT'LL, UM, DO JUST FINE.
AND I THINK I SAID AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, IN NOVEMBER, UH, IF ANYTHING THIS WETLAND COULD USE A LITTLE BIT MORE WATER.
SO, UM, I I THINK THAT THE PLANTS WILL THRIVE THERE AND IF ANYTHING BENEFIT FROM A SLIGHT INCREASE IN WATER, UM, IT, IT DRIES OUT PRETTY QUICKLY IN THE SPRING NOW AND THEREFORE HAS VERY LITTLE HABITAT VALUE IN TERMS OF AMPHIBIANS OR REPTILES BREEDING.
WHY DO YOU THINK THERE'LL BE AN, EXPLAIN TO ME THAT WHY THERE WILL BE AN INCREASE IN WATER? BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE WE'RE PUTTING IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THERE AND COLLECTING THE WATER, I'M ASSUMING IN SOME SORT OF CALTECH DEVICES OR SOMETHING.
SO WHERE IS THE ADDITIONAL WATER GOING INTO THE WETLANDS FROM THE ADDITIONAL WATER? TERRY WOULD JUST BECOME, UM, FROM, FROM LESS TREES AND, AND LAWN OR IT JUST, IF, IF I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY EVIDENCE THAT THERE WILL BE A, A HUGE INCREASE, BUT IF THERE IS AN INCREASE, IN MY OPINION, IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THIS, THIS SYSTEM.
BUT JUST SO WHAT'S COMING DOWN NOW? WELL, EVEN WITH REPLANTING, YOU WE'RE ONLY PLANTING ONE THIRD AND THAT'S, AND THAT ONE THIRD IS CALCULATED IN MIDLIFE, SO THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE COMING DOWN RIGHT FROM WHERE IT COMES, THERE'LL BE MORE RUNOFF.
BUT JUST BECAUSE I THINK I, I THINK THERE'S LIKELY TO BE MORE COMING DOWN JUST FROM THE WEATHER PATTERNS WE'RE HAVING RECENTLY.
SO I, BUT AS I SAY, THIS IS A CASE WHERE RATHER THAN, UM, DOING HARM TO THIS WETLAND, I THINK IT'LL ACTUALLY HELP IT.
DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SHARE WITH US THIS EVENING? DOES THE C A C HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? OKAY, WHAT AARON, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? DO WE NEED TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION ON THIS NOW? I THINK IF, IF THE CAC C'S IN A POSITION TO FORMULATE A RECOMMENDATION, UM, THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS.
WHETHER YOU WANT TO VOTE ON IT TONIGHT OR FORMULATE SOMETHING AND THEN VOTE ON IT.
THE APPLICANT'S STILL WORKING THROUGH CERTAIN THINGS AND IT IS NOT CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR A PLANNING BOARD MEETING THIS MOMENT.
SO THEN WHY DON'T MOMENT? DON'T WE DO, SINCE WE, LAUREN, I THINK WITH THIS ONE WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE REVIEW PERHAPS BY YOU.
ERIN, WHY DON'T WE WRITE IT UP AND SEND, HAVE YOU LOOK AT A REQUEST FROM YOU SOME OF THAT INFORMATION AND WE'LL HAVE YOU LOOK AT IT.
AND THEN SINCE THEY'RE NOT CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR THE PLANNING BOARD, WE'LL VOTE ON IT AT OUR NEXT MEETING ON THE FEBRUARY 11TH.
DOES THAT SOUND CORRECT? EVERYONE THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA FROM THE CAC? YEAH.
LET LET ME ASK ONE, PETER, WERE YOU ABLE TO GET DOWN THE GIST OF WHAT MRS. EVANS SAID
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YES.ABOUT THE WETLAND? YEAH, SHE SAYS IT'S GONNA BENEFIT FROM MORE WATER AND THAT I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THE RATE OF RUNOFF OR VOLUME OF RUNOFF THAT YOU WERE, THAT YOU WANTED PUT IN THE MINUTES OF, UH, THE LAST, UH, MEETING.
I THINK, WELL IF I, I THINK MRS. EVANS SAID THEY WOULD BE UNAFFECTED AND THAT THE HYDROLOGY WOULD, WOULD THRIVE.
AM I WRONG, BETH? NO, YOU'RE CORRECT, MIKE.
THAT'S, I I I BELIEVE IF ANYTHING, UH, SO THERE ARE NO QUANTITIES, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE QUANTITIES.
NO, IT'S THIS, TO DO A WATER BUDGET FOR A WETLAND THIS SIZE IS REALLY A, AN ACADEMIC EXERCISE THAT I DON'T THINK HAS MUCH MEANING.
UM, WE CAN UH, UM, WE CAN PUT THIS TOGETHER AND THEN, UH, KATE, YOU WANNA LOOK, WE CAN SEND THIS TO, TO YOU AND SEE IF, UH, YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS.
AND ALSO, WHILE YOU'RE PUTTING IT TOGETHER, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US THAT YOU, OR IF YOU WANT ANY SPECIFIC, UM, FIGURES OR NUMBERS, PLEASE JUST LET US KNOW.
WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP IN ANY THE WAY THAT WE CAN TO GET THIS OVER THE FINISH LINE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE WERE HOPING TO GET BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD AT A LATE FEBRUARY MEETING.
SO I THINK THE TIMING HERE, UM, ERIN, IS, IS PRETTY PERFECT FOR US.
SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION AND I THINK WE'VE ALL LEARNED A LOT ABOUT THE NEW TREE ORDINANCE, WHICH HAS BEEN GREAT ON THIS.
IT WOULDN'T TAKE, LOOK, IT'S JUST THAT WE HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME COMPLEXITIES THAT ARE, THAT ARE A LITTLE NEW FOR ALL OF US.
AND, UH, UM, JUST YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT EVERYTHING AND BE SURE THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING IN INADVERTENTLY THAT'S AN ISSUE OR IF YOU HAVE ANY OR IF WE DID SOMETHING INADVERTENTLY, IT'S AN ISSUE WE CAN DISCUSS AT THE NEXT MEETING.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING IN AND SPENDING, SHARING YOUR TIME WITH US AND EXPLAINING YOUR PROJECT.
AND I THANK WILL, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND THANKS TO MY TEAM AS WELL.
I THINK THE CAC HAS A FEW MORE THINGS TO COVER THIS EVENING BEFORE WE GO.
SO, UM, WE UNDERSTAND IF YOU DON'T WANNA STAY FOR OUR MEETING, IT'S AN EVENING, YOU WANNA GET BACK TO YOUR LIVES.
SO PLEASE FEEL FREE TO, WE LEAVE US.
ALRIGHT GUYS, EVERYONE, THANK YOU.
YOU, YOU GONNA BE ABLE TO STAY BECAUSE I GET, THINK WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, UM, UH, ELWOOD.
UM, I WAS JUST WRITING IN THE CHAT THAT I WAS GONNA HAVE TO SIGN OFF.
OOH, I HAVE ANOTHER ENGAGEMENT.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I I HAVE ANOTHER 10, 15 MINUTES.
OKAY, WELL I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA GO MORE THAN 10 OR 15 MINUTES.
WE JUST NEED TO GET EVERYONE UP, UP TO SPEED ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH ELMWOOD AND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE BEST APPLICATIONS.
I, I DOREEN, HEY, I NEED POTTY BREAK.
ISN'T DOREEN HERE? DOESN'T SHE WANNA TALK ABOUT ELMWOOD? WELL, DOES I, I THINK, I THINK IF THERE'S GONNA BE, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT DOREEN CAME TO TALK ABOUT ELMWOOD.
I JUST THINK DOREEN LIKES TO ATTEND OUR MEETINGS.
DOREEN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? NO, NO, THANK YOU.
I I DIDN'T COME TO TALK ABOUT ELMWOOD.
I CAME TO LEARN ABOUT OTHER THINGS.
I THINK THE FIRST THING, LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT JUST QUICKLY ABOUT, UM, THE STORAGE BATTERY SYSTEMS THAT ARE COMING IN.
UM, I THINK MOST OF YOU'RE AWARE THERE IS TWO MORE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
UM, THE TOWN BOARD AT THEIR, UM, WORK SESSION ON TUESDAY INTERVIEWED A, A ENGINEERING FIRM TO BE THE ONES TO HELP THE TOWN WITH CRAFTING ALLURE AND PROVIDING TECHNICAL INFORMATION ABOUT THESE BATTERY SYSTEMS. THERE SEEMS TO BE A GREAT RANGE ON THE SIZE OF THEM, THE IMPACTS OF THEM, WHAT'S APPROPRIATE, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE.
AND IT LOOKED AS THOUGH, YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERYONE FELT WE NEEDED PEOPLE WHO KNEW ABOUT THIS TO HELP US.
THE TOWN BOARD ALSO AUTHORIZED AT, UM, LAST NIGHT'S MEETING, PUBLIC MEETING A GROUP TO STUDY AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD AND IN, IN TERMS OF HOW THIS LAW WOULD BE DRAFTED.
UM, MIKE AND I HAVE BEEN APPOINTED TO THAT GROUP.
WHO GOING TO STUDY IT? UM, WALTER, SIMON, YOU SCHWARTZ IS ON IT.
UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK WHO ELSE, MIKE, CAN YOU QUICKLY THINK OF.
THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY AS
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WELL, ONE OF WHOM SEEMS TO BE RATHER KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THIS.SO I THINK WE'LL WORK TOGETHER AND GET TOGETHER AND HOPEFULLY DRAFT SOMETHING THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF NEEDS OF GREENBERG WHILE STILL RECOGNIZING THAT THIS IS A TECHNOLOGY THAT DOES HAVE A PURPOSE IN OUR NEW PLANS FOR HANDLING ELECTRICAL POWER COMING INTO THE FUTURE.
IS ANY OF THE DISCUSSION GOING TO BE TERRY ABOUT THE, UM, POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC ASPECTS OF PLACING, UM, WHAT WILL BECOME INCREASINGLY, UM, VITAL PARTS OF THE GRID IN PRIVATE HANDS? I KEEP THINKING OF ENRON AND THE CALIFORNIA SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, UM, POWER SHORTAGES OF 2001.
AND UM, I'M CONCERNED THAT THESE BATTERIES CAN GET CONSOLIDATED AND BECOME, UM, ANOTHER TOOL FOR ENERGY BLACKMAIL.
THAT'S AN INTERESTING PROPOSITION.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S IN OUR FRAMEWORK.
I DO THINK IT'S NOT, I I DO THINK FROM MY PERSONAL, JUST TO SHARE WITH YOU PETER, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT FOR ME IS AN ISSUE IS THAT THESE, UM, SOME THIS, THERE'S A BIG RANGE HERE.
THERE'S A, THE THING WHERE SOMEONE IS COLLECTING SOLAR, THEN THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST ARBITRAGING ELECTRIC AND EVEN ON A SMALL SCALE, AND I PERSONALLY WANNA KNOW, TECHNICALLY ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, I KNOW MIKE KNOWS I'VE, I RAISED IT IN A CONVERSATION WE HAD IS I SAID, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND SINCE THIS IS USING THE DISTRIBUTION LINES, HOW THIS IS WORKING, HOW THIS IS IMPACTING US, WHEN IT CUTS OFF, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS, HOW WHO GETS THE POWER, WHO'S IN CONTROL HERE? AND WE HAD A COMMENT FROM SOMEONE FROM THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ISSUE ABOUT IS THERE AN AGREEMENT, UM, WITH CON ED TO TURN OFF THE ELECTRIC IF THE ELECTRIC NEEDS TO BE TURNED OFF, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR TURNING IT OFF? SO I THINK WE'RE FACING A LAUNDRY LIST OF THINGS THAT A GOOD CODE WOULD HAVE TO INCORPORATE.
OUR CODES ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT KIND OF ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH ON THE STATE LEVEL AND THROUGH THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION.
BUT SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE SHOULD KEEP IN THE BACK OF THEIR MINDS.
AND I DO THINK SOME OF THE THINGS, EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY BE DECIDED AT THE STATE LEVEL, THERE IS NOTHING THAT PREVENTS US IN A CODE TO SAY THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO, HAS TO PROVIDE US WITH PROOF OF SAYING ED IS GOING TO, THEY HAVE A CONTRACT WITH ED TO TURN OFF THE ELECTRIC.
SO, SO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS I THINK, AT LEAST FOR ME PERSONALLY, FOR MY, MYSELF BEING I WILL BE ADVOCATING FOR.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE JUST WANTED TO HAVE EVERYONE.
'CAUSE I KNOW SHARON ASKED ME WHY ARE WE, WHY, WHY ARE WE NOT TALKING? NO, WOULDN'T 'CAUSE I HAD PUT DOWN BATTERY STORAGE.
'CAUSE BATTERY STORAGE HAS GOTTEN MUCH MORE INCLU EXTENSIVE VERY, VERY QUICKLY.
AND SHARON, YOU HAVE YOUR HANDS UP.
YOU SAID THAT THERE ARE TWO MORE LOCATIONS BEING CONTEMPLATED ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
AND I WONDER IS DOES THE LOCATION MATTER? DOES IT HAVE CENTRAL IT AS HELL MATTERS? SHARON? SHARON, YES, IT MOST DEFINITELY DOES BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE SITES AND IT ALSO MATTERS ON THE SIZE OF THE BATTERY.
SO IT HAS TO REALLY BE SCALED, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S GOING, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING, I MEAN, WE START FROM THE MIDDLE ONE THAT SOMEONE HAS ON THEIR PRIVATE HOUSE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA, THEY DIDN'T PUT A GAS GENERATOR IN, BUT THEY PUT THIS IN AND THEY HAVE SOLAR PANELS ON THEIR HOUSE AND THEY DON'T WANNA LAND UP IN, IN A STORM WITHOUT ELECTRIC TO WHAT'S THEY'RE SORT OF SUGGESTING IN BACK OF THE TWO, TWO SHOPPING CENTERS ON CENTRAL AVENUE, WHICH IS A MEDIUM SIZED ONE TO THE ONE THAT'S BEING SUGGESTED FOR NORWOOD COUNTRY CLUB, WHICH IS GOING INTO A SUBSTATION AND IS MASSIVE.
UM, AND WE'VE GOT FOUR MONTHS TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING.
SO WE'RE HOPING THAT THE CONSULTANTS WE USE ARE GONNA BE VERY, VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT ISSUES IN TERMS OF WHAT SHOULD BE ALLOWABLE AND WHERE, YOU KNOW, I JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, MY THOUGHT WOULD BE IF YOU'RE LOOKING LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THE SIZE OF WHAT'S GOING NO WOOD, YOU REALLY NEED A SIZABLE AREA THAT NOTHING IS NEAR IT.
IF YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING LIKE THEY'RE SUGGESTING AT THE, AT THE SHOPPING CENTERS, YOU MIGHT NOT NEED QUITE AS MUCH A BUFFER OR QUITE, BUT YOU MIGHT NEED MORE PROTECTION.
'CAUSE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IN SOME LOCATIONS THEY HAD WALLS THAT WERE FILLED WITH CONCRETE BUILT AROUND THE, THE
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STORAGE BATTERY CABINETS, WHICH I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS, YOU KNOW, A CONCERN WITH THE CABINETS THAT SOMEONE COULD GET INTO THEM.SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET TO THEM.
SHARON? UH, WHAT LOCATION DOES THE BATTERY HAVE TO BE LOCATED NEAR THE AREA IT'S SERVING OR JUST HAS TO BE NEAR A CONED FACILITY SO THAT THEY CAN LOOP? WELL, SOME OF THEM NEED TO BE DEPENDING ON THE SIZE, THE BIG ONES NEED TO BE NEAR A SUBSTATION.
I WOULD THINK THE SMALLER ONES LIKE THEY WERE PUTTING AT THE SHOPPING CENTER, NOT THEY'RE GONNA SUPPOSEDLY GO RIGHT INTO THE DISTRIBUTION LINES THAT RUN DOWN OUR STREETS AND PROVIDE THE ELECTRIC TO YOUR HOME OR MY HOME.
SO IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING AT THIS POINT WE, I'M ANSWERING QUESTIONS BASED ON JUST WHAT I'VE HEARD, NOT WHAT I KNOW.
AND I WOULD NEVER SAY THAT WHAT I'M SAYING HERE COULD NOT HAVE CONTAIN ERRORS BECAUSE I HONESTLY DON'T FEEL I'M AT A LEVEL WHERE I COULD SPEAK WITHOUT MAKING ERRORS.
WELL, I WAS IMPRESSED BY THE CONSULTANT THAT KEN SPEAK.
I WAS IMPRESSED BY THE CONSULTANT THAT WE, UM, WE HAD AT THE MEETING.
UH, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, LETTING THEM, UH, EDIFY US MORE BECAUSE EXACTLY EXPERIENCE THAT THEY HAVE.
I I THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE REALLY HELPFUL HELPING US DRAFT THE LAW, UM, AND, AND GIVE US A GOOD IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE PARAMETERS OF THESE THINGS.
AND WE HAVE, ARE THEY, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT, AS WE WERE JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHAT SHOULD GO WHERE AND, AND EVERYTHING.
SO I, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
I DO THE ONLY OBSERVATION I'D, THEY, THEY HAVE TREMENDOUS EXPERIENCE AND VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE.
THEY DON'T SEEM TO HAVE YET HAVE HAD EXPERIENCE IN A COMMUNITY LIKE OURS.
THEIR EXPERIENCES SEEM TO BE IN WHERE THERE'S MORE LAND AND LESS PEOPLE IS ALMOST ALL OF THEIR EXPERIENCES THOUGH THE PERSON THAT IS NOT REALLY THE TECHNICAL PERSON THAT DOES THE STANDARDS IS IN NEW YORK CITY AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
UM, SO I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE TO EXPLORE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT, HOW TRANSFERABLE WHAT THEY SAY IS TO A SHOPPING CENTER IN, IN GREENBURG OR INTO A RESIDENTIAL AREA IN GREENBURG.
'CAUSE THE PROBLEM WITH NO WHERE THE COURSE IS FOR SOME REASON, WHICH I HAVE THE SLIGHTEST IDEA OF WHY THE HECK IS THAT WAY.
FOR SOME REASON, GOLF COURSES ARE RESIDENTIAL.
SO YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU LET 'EM PUT IT INTO NO AWARD, YEAH.
THEY CAN PUT IT, YOU KNOW, UP THE STREET FROM YOU OR UP THE STREET FROM ME.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW OF, OF THE CONCEPT OF, OF ZONING DISCRIMINATION, ONCE YOU LET YOU KNOW, UH, MIKE REALTY DO IT, THEY CAN'T SAY KEN REALTY CAN'T DO IT.
SO, UM, UH, THAT IS A THERE, ALL I'M SAYING IS THERE ARE ISSUES BEYOND THE TECHNICAL HERE.
I THINK WE ABSOLUTELY NEED THEM FOR THE PREDICATE OF THE TECHNICAL, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I TOTALLY THINK THAT THEY DRIVE THE ANSWER BECAUSE SOME OF THIS IS NOT MANDATED ON THE COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, UH, THERE MAY BE THE GOVERNOR'S GOAL, BUT IF YOU'RE READING THE NEWSPAPERS TODAY, YOU COULD SEE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE GOVERNOR HAS DONE.
UH, YOU KNOW, APPARENTLY, YOU KNOW, HIS, HE'S UNDERCOUNTED THE DEATHS OF, UH, AT, AT NURSING HOMES AND HIS POLICIES ARE RES WERE IN PART, IF NOT SUBSTANTIALLY, UH, RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENED.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS, BUT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR US.
UH, BECAUSE ANOTHER ISSUE IS WHAT ARE WE GETTING OUT OF THIS, WHICH IS A LOCAL ISSUE, NOT AN EXPERT ISSUE, BUT WHEN PEOPLE RENT, WHEN PEOPLE RENT FROM NORWOOD COUNTRY CLUB OR FROM THE OWNER OF THE SHOPPING CENTERS, WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING OUT OF IT.
MAYBE WE'RE GONNA GET A HUNDRED DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION FEE OR YOU KNOW, BUILDING PERMIT FEE OR SOMETHING.
BUT WHAT ARE WE GETTING OUT OF THIS? AND, AND KEN, THERE'S ONE OTHER ISSUE THAT IS A LOCAL ISSUE COURSE
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TOO.UH, YOU, IT'S CALLED UNDER THE, UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF CHARACTER OF, UM, OF THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS IN, UM, UM, IF OTHER COMMUNITIES DON'T LET THEM IN AND WE DO, IS THIS GOING TO ADV ADVERSELY AFFECT THE VALUE OF OUR HOUSES? IF SOMEONE IS LOOKING TO BUY IN LARGEMONT OR CHAPPAQUA OR GREENBERG OR YOU KNOW, RYE AND SOME COMMUNITIES HAVE WIND FARMS AND SOLAR FARMS AND BATTERIES AND YOU KNOW, ENERGY STORED IN BATTERIES AND OTHER COMMUNITIES DON'T, IS THE DEMAND FOR A COMMUNITY THAT HAS, THAT'S FULL OF THESE THINGS GONNA BE THE SAME AS A SOMEONE THAT'S LOOKING FOR SUBURBAN EXPERIENCE THAT'S, UH, NOT FULL OF THESE THINGS AND YOU KNOW, THE DEMAND SUPPLY YOU IS WHAT DRIVES, YOU KNOW, UH, WELL THAT COULD GO EITHER WAY, MIKE.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, TO HAVING I THINK AVAILABLE.
KEN? I THINK THE
I WAS JUST SAYING IT COULD GO EITHER WAY IN TERMS OF HOW HAVING THESE THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY AFFECTS PROPERTY VALUES.
IT, IT, IT, IT IS UNLIKELY TO BE A POSITIVE.
IT DEPENDS ON WHERE THEY ARE, HOW THEY'RE BUILT AND WHAT THEIR PURPOSE IS.
WELL IT DEPENDS ON WHERE THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE NOT IN RESIDENTIAL YES.
BUT IF THEY'RE IN RESIDENTIAL, I I'S UNLIKELY IT'S GONNA BE A POSITIVE.
YEAH, I THINK I POSITIVE I WOULD BE, I WOULD REINFORCE WHAT MIKE IS SAYING.
I THINK AS WE LOOK AT THIS, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS IN TERMS OF WHAT'S BEST FOR GREENBERG.
YOU KNOW, WE, 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS WHAT'S BEST FOR GREENBERG, WHICH I'M SURE THIS IS WHAT THE TOWN BOARD WILL DO.
ALSO LOOK AT WHAT'S BEST FOR GREENBERG, YOU KNOW, ECONOMICALLY IN TERMS OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE, IN TERMS OF DOING OUR PART TO BALANCE THE ENERGY LOAD.
SO I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION OF, OF BALANCING ACT BASED ON INFORMATION WHICH I THINK IS MOST IMPORTANT.
NOW SHARON, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? 'CAUSE AT ONE POINT YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP.
YEAH, I HAVE JUST WANTED TO ASK IF YOU COULD, UH, PASS ON INFORMATION THAT YOU LEARN ABOUT THAT SO THAT WE REMAIN UP ON WHAT'S HAPPENING.
AND MARGARET, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP? YOU'RE MUTED.
I WAS GONNA SAY THE, UM, PUTTING THE, PUTTING THIS STUFF IN OUR, IN OUR TOWN IS GONNA, UM, IT'S GONNA HURT OUR, OUR PROPERTY VALUES.
I THINK IN, IF WE'VE PUT IT, IF WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT CAREFUL WHERE WE PUT IT, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.
BUT THERE MAY BE LOCATIONS THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY THAT ARE SUITABLE AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
SO I JUST WANNA QUICK DO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ELMWOOD.
UM, THERE WAS A MEETING LAST NIGHT THAT THE TOWN BOARD, UH, PUBLIC, UH, MEETING
UH, WE ADDED A FEW FROM THE C A C AS THE MEETING WORE ON THE COMMUNITY.
UM, I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING AND IS NOTEWORTHY THAT BOTH SCHOOL DISTRICTS, ELMSFORD AND GREENBURG CENTRAL HAVE COME OUT SAYING THEY WOULD PREFER HOUSING WITH CHILDREN TO HOUSING WITH SENIORS.
UM, THAT THE, THERE, THERE, THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONING, WHICH REALLY ISN'T A C A C AREA ABOUT THE ECONOMICS INVOLVED.
UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER, WHETHER THERE'S, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE ECONOMIC GAIN THAT THEY'RE ADVANTAGE THAT THEY'RE PUSHING.
AND I WOULD SAY OVERALL FROM THE COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY THERE AND FROM THE TRUE SCHOOL BOARDS, THE GENERAL FEELING WAS THAT, UM, IT THERE WAS TOO MUCH OF A RISK, UM, IN TERMS OF CHANGING THE DENSITY, UM, THE ADVERSE IMPACTS IN TERMS OF PRECEDENT SETTING BEING A VERY BIG ONE.
UM, THE QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES AS WE GET MORE TRAFFIC, UM, THE TWO SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN TERMS OF THE NEED FOR JUST HAVING A BALANCED COMMUNITY RATHER THAN HAVING JUST SENIORS.
SO WHAT COMES FROM IT FROM THERE, WE'LL SEE AS IT GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS.
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BUT I WANT TO AT LEAST GIVE EVERYONE AN UPDATE.MIKE, OR DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? 'CAUSE YOU WERE WATCHING THE TWO LAST NIGHT.
YEAH, WHAT STRUCK ME, AND THIS IS WHY I WANTED TO SEE IF KEN HAD ANY THOUGHTS ON IT, WAS THE, THE, THE KEY TO THIS IS CHANGING OUR ZONING LAWS.
WE HAVE TO WHAT COLLOQUIALLY CALLED DOWN ZONE FROM R 30, WHICH ARE SUBSTANTIAL SIZE HOUSES TO UM, UH, PORT I THINK R 20 OR AT LEAST PORT R 20, PORT R 30.
I'M NOT TOTALLY CLEAR ON THAT, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THAT MADE ME, THAT DIDN'T SEEM QUITE RIGHT AT THE, AT THE END.
UM, THE LAWYER FOR THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL IS TELLING THE TOWN BOARD THEY SHOULDN'T BE CLO THEY, THEY SHOULD, THEY SHOULD CLOSE THE HEARING.
I DON'T THINK IT'S ANY OF HIS DAMN BUSINESS TO TELL THE TOWN BOARD WHETHER TO CLOSE HEARINGS OR NOT.
UM, SECONDLY, THE GUY THAT OWNED THE PROPERTY, UH, I FORGET HIS NAME, HIS NAME'S JONATHAN SOMETHING.
UH, UM, SAID, OH, YOU KNOW, I STARTED, IT'S ON TO PAUL.
PAUL TALKED TO ME FOR THREE YEARS.
HE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY ZONED AS R 30.
HE KNEW IT FOR SINGLE FAMILY ONLY.
HE MADE AN ECONOMIC GAMBLE THAT IF HE BOUGHT IT AS ZONED AS R 30, HE MIGHT HAVE TO SELL IT.
'CAUSE HE WOULD NEVER INTEND TO DO ANYTHING.
HE'D JUST BUY, HE JUST A, HE'S JUST LIKE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, HE, HE'S JUST A FLIPPER.
YOU KNOW, HE IS JUST A REAL ESTATE FLIPPER.
UH, JUST UH, UH, SO HE DOESN'T DO ANY, HE DOESN'T ADD ANY VALUE IN ANYTHING.
HE JUST BUYS, TRIES TO BUY CHEAP AND SELL HIGHER.
NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, BUT HE'S NOT ADDING ANY VALUE TO THAT TO OUR COMMUNITY.
AND WHAT HE WANTS TO COME IN TO DO IS NOT ONLY, UH, UH, FLIP IT, HE WANTS TO CHANGE OUR ZONING LAWS AND HE SEEMED TO THINK THAT HE HAD THIS KIND OF RIGHT TO CHANGE OUR ZONING LAWS AND COMPLAINING ABOUT BEING DELAYED TO DO IT.
HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY DAMN RIGHT TO CHANGE OUR ZONING LAWS.
UM, UM, WE HAD A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR SEVEN YEARS AND IT SAYS LIKE ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY UNEQUIVOCAL.
WE'RE NOT HAVING MORE DENSITY.
AND, UM, THE CON AND THE THING IS, YOU CANNOT NOT, I MEAN YOU PERSONALLY, BUT IT CANNOT BE, YOU CANNOT UH, CHANGE THE DENSITY FOR THIS A HUNDRED ACRES AND NOT AFFECT THE DENSITY OF THE OTHER 700 ACRES.
I MEAN THAT IS REALLY A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
THEY'RE INCREASING THE DENSITY BY 45%.
UM, AND ALL THOSE THINGS KIND OF STRUCK ME AT THE END INDEPENDENT OF KIND OF LIKE THE GOOD ISSUES THE DOREEN RAISED AND, AND, AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS RAISED.
UM, AND I THINK EVERY CIVIC ASSOCIATION THAT SPOKE CAME OUT AGAINST IT.
UM, BUT THERE'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WASN'T SITTING RIGHT WITH ME ABOUT, UH, THE APPLICANT'S LAWYER TELLING THE STAND, THE TOWN BOARD, UH, UH, HOW THEY RAN THEIR HEARINGS AND THE DEVELOPER COMPLAINING IT TOOK HIM SO LONG TO TO GET DOWN ZONE.
UM, UH, HE DIDN'T JUST RIGHT TO DOWN THE DOWN ZONE.
UM, UM, AND SO ANYWAY, THOSE WERE THOUGHTS THAT WENT THROUGH MY HEAD.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE REALLY ENVIRONMENTAL, PROBABLY NONE OF THEM.
THOSE ARE THOUGHTS THAT KIND OF WENT THROUGH MY HEAD AT THE END OF THAT MEETING.
WELL, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE OR IS THAT SORT OF IT? 'CAUSE IT IS GETTING LATE AND I KNOW KEN HAS ANOTHER MEETING TO GO TO.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE FOLKS? IT WAS GOOD SEEING YOU ALL.
UM, STAY HEALTHY AND THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN KEN FOR JOINING US.
MIKE, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO, I JUST SAYING THANKS, UH, KEN, TAKE CARE.