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GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, March 3, 2021 – 5:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 8:00 p.m. ]
TO THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING OF WEDNESDAY, MARCH THE THIRD, 2021.I ASKED DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, EXCUSE ME, UH, SMITH TO CALL THE ROLL CALL CHAIRPERSON.
NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. DESAI WILL NOT BE JOINED THIS EVENING.
UH, THE FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS THE MINUTES OF FEBRUARY THE 17TH.
UH, THEN I WILL ASK OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD IF THEY HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, UH, ON, UM, TWO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
UH, SECOND LINE, IT SAYS, UH, IS A MEMBER OF GRACE CHURCH.
UM, GRACE CHURCH IS A VERY COMMON NAME OF CHURCHES, AND IN THE EPISCOPAL CHURCH IS ALMOST LIKE SAYING JOE SMITH.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION OF SAYING GRACE EPISCOPAL CHURCH, WHITE FLAMES TO CLEARLY IDENTIFY WHICH CHURCH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THEN ON PAGE TWO, UM, FIRST GRAPH PARAGRAPH, UM, UH, NEXT TO THE LAST SENTENCE, UH, CONSIDERING TRAFFIC SAFETY CONCERNS, UH, MR. CUNNING, UH, ALSO INDICATED THAT ALTHOUGH HE FELT THAT THE, THE M U T C O I, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE, THE ORGANIZATION THAT THAT STANDS FOR? I KNOW IT'S THE TRAFFIC.
UH, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE, UH, INITIALS ACTUALLY STAND FOR? I KNOW IT'S THE, UH, SOME SORT OF STATE OR FEDERAL, UH, TRANSPORTATION, BUT NONETHELESS, UH, HE, THE MANUAL UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES.
HE, HE INDICATED THAT THE PROPO, ALTHOUGH THE PROPOSALS IN THE DRAFT SEEMS REASONABLE, HE SUGGESTED THAT WE DO NOT CHANGE OUR CODES UNTIL THE, UNTIL THESE CODES ARE FINALIZED.
UH, HE MADE THAT STATEMENT TILL THE WITNESS SHOULD, SHOULD STATE THAT, THAT, UH, MR. CONNER, UH, CUNNING, UH, UH, SUGGESTED THAT WE DO NOT CHANGE OUR CODES UNTIL, UH, THOSE, UH, FEDERAL CODES ARE INDEED, UH, FINALIZED.
I HAVE, I HAVE NO OTHER COMMENTS REGARDING THE MINUTES.
DO ANY OF MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAVE COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? IF NOT, I PROPOSE THAT WE, UH, APPROVE THE MINUTES AS CORRECTED.
SO, WALTER, YES, I DO HAVE ONE COMMENT.
I WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING, AND AS SUCH, I LISTENED TO THE MEETING ONLINE.
AND I HAVE TO SAY, I SENT AN EMAIL TO AARON TO LET HIM KNOW THE AUDIO IS JUST HORRENDOUS AND WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING DONE TO ADDRESS IT.
AND AARON DID TELL ME THAT THE TOWN IS WORKING ON IT.
IT, WE, NO ONE CAN LISTEN TO IT.
UH, THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA CORRESPONDENCE AND, UH, FOR YOUR INFORMATION, UH, I HAD, UM, THE COMMENTS FROM THE, UH, Z B A DISTRIBUTED AMONG THE BOARD MEMBERS.
THERE'S NO ACTION FOR US TO TAKE, BUT I JUST DID THAT.
SO YOU ARE KEPT UP TO DATE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN, UH, OUR APPEAL PROCESS.
AND THE LETTER INDICATE THERE ARE CERTAIN QUESTIONS THAT, UH, ARE BEING ASKED.
AND, UH, YOU AND I WILL ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AS UH, REQUIRED.
SO, UH, WE HAVE TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS BY THE 10TH, AND THE NEXT TIME WE WILL APPEAR BEFORE THE Z B A I BELIEVE IS MARCH 18TH.
SO THIS IS JUST TO KEEP YOU UP TO DATE AS TO WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE
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APPEAL OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S, UH, DECISION, UH, OUT TO OLD THIS USE.THE, THE NEXT CASE IS PB 2012.
SO CASE NUMBER PB 2012 JELAGE LOCATED AT 65 MERCER AVENUE PO HARTSDALE, THE R 7 5 1 FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT PLANNING BOARD WILL BE CONSIDERING A DECISION ON THE APPLICANT'S PLANNING BOARD DEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TRUE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATION INVOLVING A PROPOSAL THAT CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH AN ATTACHED TWO CAR GARAGE WHILE THE FLAGSTONE PATIO, ASPHALT PATIO, STONE PATIO, AND RETAINING WALL PLANNING BOARD CONDUCTED PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THIS MATTER DURING ITS FEBRUARY 3RD AND FEBRUARY 17TH MEETING, ADDITIONAL EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE WAS RECEIVED FROM A NEIGHBOR TO THE PROJECT SITE DURING THE OPEN WRITTEN RECORD PERIOD, WHICH WAS FORWARDED TO THE BOARD, TO THE APPLICANT, AND MADE PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD.
THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A RESPONSE WHICH WAS FORWARDED TO THE BOARD AND MADE PART OF THE RECORD DRAFT DECISION BEING PREPARED FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING.
I'M HAPPY TO REVIEW THE DECISION AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.
WELL, ONE, ONE OF THE STATEMENTS I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MAKE IS, UM, DURING THE DISCUSSION, THERE WAS TWO ISSUES THAT WAS, UH, THE SURFACE AMONG THE NEIGHBORS.
ONE WAS THE, UH, BLASTING AND CHIPPING, UH, I BELIEVE SINCE THE FIR THIS FIRST TIME IT CAME BEFORE US.
UH, WE, THE LAW WAS IN EFFECT, BUT IT WAS NOT, UH, I BELIEVE INCORPORATED IN OUR DECISIONS.
WHAT WE DID HERE TO MAKE SURE, UH, WE ARE DOING HAVE SINCE INCORPORATED THE BLASTING AND CHIPPING LAW INTO OUR, UM, APPROVAL.
AND IN THIS DOCUMENT, ALL OF 10 REFERS TO OUR SHIPPING AND BLASTING CODE, AND THAT IS INCORPORATED INTO THE DRAFT DECISION.
UH, UH, THE OTHER THING IS, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT 11, THE ISSUE OF SAFETY MANAGEMENT, THAT IS ALSO SPELLED OUT IN THE DECISION.
AND, UM, THE OTHER THING IN TERMS OF THAT TREE, UH, ANOTHER NEIGHBOR WAS CONCERNED ABOUT REMOVING THAT TREE.
UH, WE HAD, UH, THREE DIFFERENT ARBORISTS, INCLUDING OUR OWN, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER LOOK AT THAT TREE.
AND THEY, UH, THE ALL THREE AGREED THAT THAT TREE, UH, ITS LONG TERM SURVIVAL WAS DEFINITELY IN QUESTION, AND THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE IT WOULD BE, UH, THAT TREE WILL SURVIVE LONG TERM.
PLUS IF YOU MOVE THE DRIVEWAY IN THE OTHER END, IT COULD DAMAGE THE ROOT SYSTEM.
UH, I HAD THE, UH, THE APPLICANT DETAIL EXACTLY WHAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN MOVING THE DRIVEWAY TO THE OTHER SIDE.
AND YOU SAW, YOU SAW THE APPLICANT'S REPORT THAT WOULD INDICATE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PUT UP A, INSTEAD OF A TWO FOOT WALL, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PUT UP A NINE FOOT WALL.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO, UH, REMOVE, UH, AT HOW MANY SQUARE YARDS OF ROCK, I THINK IT WAS A THOUSAND SQUARE YARDS OF ROCK, AND DIG INTO THE STEEP DIG, DIG INTO THE STEEP SLOPE EVEN MORE.
AND, AND, AND, AND I WOULD BE ONLY TO SAVE A TREE THAT THREE ARBORISTS INDICATE THIS LONG-TERM SURVIVAL IS DOUBTFUL.
SO I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT, THAT, UH, UH, THAT WILL, THE CONCERNS OF BOTH, UH, RESIDENTS, UH, NEIGHBORS WERE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN THE DRAFTING OF THIS, UH, UH, DRAFT APPROVAL.
SO I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT.
IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS DRAFT, UH, APPROVAL? IT NOT YOU HAVE, I'M SORRY.
THREE VOTES TO TAKE IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
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SEEKER STANDPOINT, THE PROJECT DOES QUALIFY AS A TYPE TWO ACTION, AND YOU WOULD, THE BOARD WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER VOTING UPON THAT PRIOR TO MAKING A DECISION ON THE PROJECT ITSELF.SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER, UH, COMMENTS ON THIS, UH, DRAFT PROPOSAL, THEN I, I MAKE A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLASSIFY THIS AS A TYPE TWO ACTION.
SECOND, ALL, ALL APPRO, ALL IN APPROVAL.
UH, THE OTHER THING WE HAVE TO VOTE UPON IS THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
I, UH, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT FOR THIS APPLICATION.
AND THE LAST ONE IS THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVAL.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, TO GRANT A TREE, UH, REMOVAL PERMIT? SOME OF WHOM? SECOND.
SECOND, I CAN I GIVE YOU THE MOVER? I'LL BE THE SECOND.
WE'LL, UH, FINALIZE THAT DECISION AND GET IT OFF TO THE APPLICANT IN THE NEXT ONE OR TWO BUSINESS DAYS.
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE, SORRY, UH, IF EVERYONE COULD KEEP THEIR MICS MUTED.
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CASE NUMBER PB 17 DASH SIX N R S F SUBDIVISION, LOCATED ALONG ARLEY ROAD, EAST OF THE INTERSECTION OF OLD SPRING ROAD AND ARLEY ROAD, PO SCARSDALE, AND THE R 21 FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING.
DISTRICT PLANNING BOARD PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED THIS PROJECT AT WORK SESSIONS ON JUNE 3RD, 2020 AND OCTOBER 7TH, 2020.
THE PROJECT INVOLVES THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION OF ONE EXISTING LOT INTO FOUR LOTS, THREE NEW RESIDENTIAL LOTS, AND ONE LOT ASSOCIATED WITH A NEW PRIVATE CUL-DE-SAC ROADWAY TO BE BUILT TO TOWN.
ACCESS TO EACH OF THE THREE RESIDENTIAL LOTS WOULD BE PROVIDED BY A NEWLY PROPOSED CUL-DE-SAC ROADWAY THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED OFF OF LEY ROAD.
THE APPLICANT APPEARED BEFORE THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 12TH, 2020, AND JANUARY 8TH, 2021.
THEY RECEIVED A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION WITH CONDITIONS FROM THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING TO PROVIDE FURTHER UPDATES ON THE PROJECT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.
AND PLEASE, KEITH ROBERTS HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
LET, UM, UH, ADMIT, UH, KEITH ROBERTSON TO, TO THE MEETING HE COULD PRESENT, UH, HIS, UH, APPLICATION.
HI, MR. SIMON, CHAIRMAN SIMON.
YOU, YOU TOOK MY JOB FROM ME AND I APPRECIATE IT.
UM, I JUST WANNA SAY FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS KATE ROBERTS WITH THE LAW FIRM OF ZAIN AND STEIN METZ.
ALSO WITH ME THIS EVENING IS DAVID LOMBARDI FROM J M C, WHO'S THE PROJECT ENGINEER, AS WELL AS JOHN IAN FROM NATIONAL ROAD SAFETY FOUNDATION, WHO'S THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
SO, UM, JUST, WE DON'T WANNA TAKE UP TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME.
WE'RE REALLY JUST HERE TONIGHT TO REINTRODUCE THE BOARD TO THIS PROJECT.
WE'VE, AS ERIN SAID, BEEN GONE FOR A FEW MONTHS, UM, REALLY DELVING INTO A LOT OF DETAILS WITH THE C A C.
WE APPRECIATE THEIR FEEDBACK AND THEIR POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
AND AGAIN, WE JUST WANTED TO REINTRODUCE OURSELF.
WE'RE GONNA BE COMING BACK BEFORE THE BOARD.
UM, SO WE WANTED TO REFAMILIARIZE YOU, YOU GUYS WITH THIS PROJECT.
SO THE PLAN THAT DAVE IS GONNA, UM, HOPEFULLY SHARE UP ON THE SCREEN IS A PLAN THAT, UM, COMBINES COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE PLANNING BOARD LAST YEAR, AS WELL AS COMMENTS FROM THE C A C.
UM, AS PREVIOUSLY SAID, WE WERE BEFORE THE C A C FOR THE PAST FEW MONTHS FOR A REFERRAL THAT WAS ON THE REQUESTED WETLAND PERMIT.
UM, AND THEN, ALTHOUGH NOT TECHNICALLY BEFORE THE C A C, WE DID SPEND A LOT OF TIME DISCUSSING TREE REMOVAL AND J M C AND ANOTHER COMPANY CALLED DAVIES THAT WE HIRED, UM, TO, TO BASICALLY BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE TOWN'S NEW TREE ORDINANCE.
DID A LOT OF WORK OVER THESE PAST FEW MONTHS, PUTTING TOGETHER, UM, ALL OF THE REQUIRED MATERIALS ABOUT TREE REMOVAL, TREE REPLACEMENT, AND A MITIGATION PLAN.
SO WE HAVE ALL OF THOSE MATERIALS THAT WE ARE, WE'VE
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SUBMITTED TO AARON AND I BELIEVE, UM, THE, THE FORESTRY ADVISOR FOR THE TOWN.UM, AND WE'LL ALSO BE SUBMITTING TO YOUR BOARD.
UM, AS ERIN SAID, THE C A C DID GIVE US A POSITIVE REFERRAL AT LAST MONTH'S MEETING.
THEY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE WETLAND HAS MINIMAL FUNCTION AND THAT THE PROPOSED MITIGATION PLAN FOR THE WETLAND IS ADEQUATE.
SO AGAIN, JUST BACK BEFORE YOUR BOARD TO SHOW YOU THE REVISED PLAN.
AND BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO DAVE TO GO THROUGH SOME, UM, MORE DETAILS OF THE PLAN, I DID WANT TO SORT OF TOUCH ON ONE BIG PICTURE ITEM THAT HAS CHANGED WITH RESPECT TO THE PLAN.
I THINK THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, WE HAD INFORMED YOUR BOARD THAT, UM, MR. MARIN WAS WILLING TO ENTER INTO THE SHARED DRIVEWAY WITH THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION.
SO WE ARE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH MR. MARIN OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS TO PREPARE A, I GUESS I'LL CALL IT, UM, AARON, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M STATING THIS WRONG, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF A RE SUBDIVISION FOR HIM, AS I THINK YOU'RE ALL AWARE, ED TECHNICALLY HAS A, UH, THREE LOT SUBDIVISION ON HIS PROPERTY THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED YEARS AGO.
ONLY ONE OF THE LOTS IS DEVELOPED.
IN FACT, I THINK HIS POOL, HIS EXISTING POOL IS ON THE SECOND LOT.
AND IF THAT LOT WAS EVER DEVELOPED, HE WOULD NEED TO REMOVE THAT IN ORDER FOR, FOR THE SUBDIVISION TO WORK.
NEVERTHELESS, IT'S AN APPROVED SUBDIVISION, SO WE DO NEED TO ADJUST THOSE LOTS SLIGHTLY TO MEET THE FRONTAGE REQUIREMENTS ON THE NEW CUL-DE-SAC.
UM, I'LL, I'LL LET DAVE GO INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, BUT I DID WANNA LET YOUR BOARD KNOW THAT THE NEXT TIME WE MAKE A SUBMISSION, WE'LL ALSO BE HELPING ED AND, AND MAKING A SUBMISSION ON HIS BEHALF.
WE'VE, WE'VE AGREED TO PAY FOR IT SO THAT HE DOESN'T INCUR COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH DOING THIS.
BUT, UM, WE WILL BE SUBMITTING THAT AND WE WOULD ASK FOR YOUR BOARD TO REVIEW BOTH APPLICATIONS SIMULTANEOUSLY.
UM, SO I'M GONNA TURN, STEVE, IF HE HAS ANYTHING TO ADD, DAVE, I THINK WE CAN KEEP IT AT BIG, BIG PICTURE.
AGAIN, JUST REINTRODUCING THE PROJECT AND WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO BE BEFORE YOUR BOARD AGAIN.
J M C WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT REGARDING THE ROADWAY SURFACE AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
WE PROPOSED A POROUS ASPHALT ROADWAY, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT A HYBRID OF TOWN STANDARD PAVEMENT IN THE CENTER AND PREFABRICATED FOREST CONCRETE GUTTERS, UH, ALONG THE SIDES, WHICH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, UH, SEEMS TO BE VERY RECEPTIVE TO.
AND DAVE, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO JUST BRIEFLY EXPLAIN WHAT THE CONCRETE GUTTERS FUNCTION WOULD BE RELATIVE TO THE PROJECT, IF, IF YOU WERE ABLE TO DO THAT? SURE.
IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO, UH, THE POROUS ASPHALT ROADWAY, WHICH HAS POROUS ASPHALT AND, UH, A FOOT OR SO OF STONE UNDERNEATH THAT TO TEMPORARILY DETAIN THE RUNOFF, WHICH WILL THEN INFILTRATE INTO THE SOIL.
AND WITH THE POROUS CONCRETE, THE RUNOFF WOULD GO FROM THE CENTER OF THE ROAD TO THE GUTTER, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT FOUR FEET WIDE, GO THROUGH THE POROUS CONCRETE INTO THE STONE BENEATH, AND THEN INFILTRATE INTO THE SOIL.
JUST TO UPDATE, I'M SORRY, JUST TO UPDATE THE BOARD, I DID HAVE A CONVER BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH A MEMBER OF OUR BUREAU OF ENGINEERING THIS AFTERNOON, ADVISED ME THAT THEY HAVE HAD POSITIVE DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. UH, RELATED TO THIS TYPE OF LAYOUT FOR THE ROAD AND THE ROAD EDGE.
COULD YOU COMPARE THE CURRENT LAYOUT, UH, WITH WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED SO WE COULD SEE EXACTLY WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED? WE HAVE, UH, UM, A COUPLE OF BOARD MEMBERS WHO I DON'T THINK WAS INVOLVED WITH THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD POINT, DAVE.
UM, DAVE, IF YOU COULD TRY TO GO BACK AND, AND PULL UP EVEN THE, UH, INITIAL APPLICATION THAT WAS MADE YEARS AGO.
I CAN, I CAN SORT OF START TO EXPLAIN IT, BUT WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE, UM, THE, THE SORT OF LARGE VACANT PROPERTY, UM, THAT, THAT DAVE JUST OVERLAID OUR PLAN ONTO.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROPERTY THAT WE, UM, N S R F OWNS.
AND WE'RE LOOKING TO GET PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL ON,
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UM, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.AND WHEN THE APPLICANT ORIGINALLY CAME TO THE PLANNING BOARD, I WOULD SAY TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO NOW, UM, IT HAD PROPOSED, UH, OF, I GUESS I WOULD CALL IT A FIVE LOT SUBDIVISION, RIGHT? SO THERE WERE FOUR HOUSES PROPOSED AND THE SHARED ROADWAY, WHICH COUNTED COUNTS AS AN ADDITIONAL LOT BASED ON CONVERSATIONS WITH YOUR BOARD.
THE APPLICANT REDUCED THEIR PLAN TO A, A THREE HOUSE SUBDIVISION.
UM, REALLY BECAUSE THE LOT AT THE BOTTOM OF YOU SAY THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL, IT WAS WAY MORE IMPACTFUL.
THE BOARD FELT IT WAS OVERCROWDED AND THE APPLICANT WAS WILLING TO AGREE.
AND SORT OF BACK OFF, UM, ON THAT A LITTLE, LITTLE BIT, THE MORE RECENT CHANGE THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WITH ED MARIN IS, UM, DAVE, IF YOU COULD ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT ON THE SHARED ROADWAY, THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL.
'CAUSE YOU CAN SORT OF SEE, THANK YOU.
COULD YOU PUT THE CURSOR OVER WHERE ED'S CURRENT DRIVEWAYS, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND? KATE, WOULD YOU MIND IF I JUST ADDED ONE THING THAT, UH, THE REASON WHY, UM, YOU APPROACHED, UH, MR. MARIN WAS AT, YOU KNOW, AT THE REQUEST OF STAFF AND THE BOARD, THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME FROM THE TOWN? YES.
THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME DIRECTLY FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND THE POINT WAS, I JUST, I DO WANNA PULL UP, UM, LENE, I'M GONNA TRY TO PULL UP GOOGLE MAPS ACTUALLY AND SEE IF, LET'S SEE HERE.
I WANNA SEE IF SATELLITE SORT OF IS ABLE TO SHOW WHAT ED'S DRIVEWAY LOOKS LIKE.
IT DOESN'T SHOW IT WELL, BUT, UM, OKAY.
BUT DO YOU HAVE A, A, UH, A CHART THAT JUST SHOWS WHAT EXISTS THERE TODAY AND THEN, AND THEN WE CAN SEE, UH, HOW WHAT CHANGES ARE MADE, UH, BEING MADE TO PUT ON THE THREE HOWS AND TO TIE IN THE DRIVEWAY? YEAH.
DAVE, COULD YOU PUT THOSE MAYBE SIDE BY SIDE, ZOOMED IN LIKE THIS? YEAH, THAT'LL BE HELPFUL.
UH, JUST EVERYONE, FOR EVERYONE TO BE CLEAR, IT'S UNDEVELOPED AT THIS POINT.
MAINLY, UM, THE, IT IS THE ROADWAY.
WELL, WE KNOW THE HOMES ARE GOING THERE, BUT REALLY THE ROADWAY, WHAT CHANGES ARE BEING MADE TO THE ROADWAY? THERE IS NO ROADWAY.
UH, OTHER THAN WHERE TO MR. MARIN'S, UH, HOUSE, UH, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE, UM, WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IS TO SHOW THEM, I CAN START TO TRY TO EXPLAIN IT AND THEN WHEN DAVE GETS IT UP, IT'LL BE HELPFUL TO VISUALIZE.
BUT BASICALLY OUR PROPOSED SHARED ROADWAY, ED MARIN HAS A REALLY LONG DRIVEWAY THAT HIS LOT IS SORT OF A FLAG LOT ON ARDSLEY ROAD, AND HE HAS A VERY LONG DRIVEWAY.
DAVID, IF YOU COULD RUN YOUR CURSOR OVER IT ON THE SCREEN ON THE LEFT, UM, AND THEN CIRCLE WHERE ED'S HOUSE IS, HE HAS A LONG DRIVEWAY THAT RUNS ALL THE WAY BACK AND BASICALLY WOULD'VE BEEN PARALLEL TO OUR PROPOSED ROADWAY.
AND WHAT THIS BOARD SUGGESTED IS IF YOU COULD COMBINE THOSE TWO, YOU WOULD REDUCING PERVIOUS COVERAGE.
WE ALSO ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO PLANT TREES WHERE ED'S CURRENT LOT IS.
UM, IT'LL HELP STORM WATER AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT REDUCES CURB CUTS FOR, FOR SAFETY PURPOSES.
IT'S JUST BETTER NOT TO HAVE SO MANY CURBS CLOSE TO EACH OTHER COMING OUT AND ONTO LEY ROAD.
FOR CLARITY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, COULD YOU POINT TO THE HOUSE? THAT'S THE HOUSE ON THE FAR LEFT, AND SO THEY COULD SEE HOW THAT ROADWAY GOES ALL THE WAY OUT TO AUDREY ROAD, WHERE THE NEW, WHERE THE NEW ROAD WOULD GO INTO THE CUL-DE-SAC AND OUT.
DAVE, CAN YOU RUN, CAN YOU RUN YOUR CURSOR IF YOU, IF POSSIBLE, WHOEVER'S CONTROLLING THE SCREEN, COULD YOU RUN YOUR CURSOR OVER, UM, WHERE ED'S DRIVEWAY CURRENTLY GOES TO AND THEN MAYBE CIRCLE AROUND HIS HOUSE AND THEN DO THE SAME THING ON ON THE NEW? EXACTLY.
SO I'LL MAKE IT CLEAR TO ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN TO THE SITE OR YES.
OR WAS NEVER INVOLVED WITH THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.
AND MAYBE IF YOU HAVE CONTROL, UH, YOU CAN DO YOU, ARE YOU ABLE TO CONTROL GUYS? I'M SORRY.
I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT EVERYONE COULD ACTUALLY SEE MY MOUSE SO THAT NO, WE CAN'T.
AARON, DO YOU HAVE THE, DO YOU HAVE THESE PLANS YOU COULD PUT UP AND CONTROL IT? YOU'RE ON MUTE, YOU'RE MUTED.
I JUST REQUESTED, I JUST REQUESTED REMOTE CONTROL.
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IS THAT, UM, ROSS, IS THAT GONNA WORK? MAYBE? YES.CAN EVERYBODY SEE MY MOUSE MOVING AROUND? NO.
I WANNA SEE IF I CAN DO, OKAY, SO IF YOU GO TO A DETAIL EXPLANATION OR MAYBE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COULD FOLLOW IT THEN IF YOU CAN'T GET THE MOUSE TO OPERATE, HE'S STILL HERE.
WELL, LET ME, LET ME TRY THIS.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, DIAGRAM ON THE RIGHT WHERE YOU SEE THE CUL-DE-SAC BELOW THE CUL-DE-SAC, THERE IS A RECTANGULAR, UM, AREA.
AND, UH, AND THEN IT JOGS TO THE RIGHT TO LEY ROAD THAT ESSENTIALLY IS, UH, MR. MARIN'S ROAD.
AND IF YOU SEE IT ON THE NEXT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THE, UH, AREA ON THE LEFT, UH, YOU CAN SEE IT THERE.
WELL THE, THE SIMPLEST WAY TO LOOK AT THIS IS YOU SEE THE NEW, THE NEW DRIVEWAY, MR. MARIN'S NEW DRIVEWAY THAT CONNECTS TO THIS HOUSE THAT COMES OFF THE CUL-DE-SAC AT THE BOTTOM, RIGHT? RIGHT, MM-HMM.
AND IT CROSSES WHAT WOULD BE MR. MARIN'S CURRENT DRIVEWAY, WHICH WOULD BE PARALLEL TO THE ROAD, CORRECT? CORRECT.
YEAH, YOU CAN SEE THE, IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU FALL FROM MR. MARIN'S HOUSE DOWN BEYOND THE NEXT TWO HOUSES, YOU CAN SEE IT, UH, ACTUALLY THE CURB CUT ONTO ARDSLEY ROAD, THE CON CURB CART ONTO ALEY ROAD RIGHT NOW, MR. THAT, THAT OLD DRIVEWAY WILL BE REMOVED AND AND VEGETATION WILL BE PUT THERE, HOW WOULD THAT BE? LANDSCAPE? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THERE IS A LANDSCAPING PLAN, UM, THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER, VERY PRELIMINARY LANDSCAPE PLAN.
I, I THINK IT'S CALLED A CONCEPT PLAN.
AND WE WOULD BE WORKING WITH ED TO PICK OUT EXACT TREES AND VEGETATION, BUT, UM, NATIONAL ROAD SAFETY FOUNDATION HAS COMMITTED TO, TO PAYING FOR THAT LANDSCAPING.
I THINK
THIS PLAN IS LIGHT YEARS BETTER THAN BEFORE, BEFORE THAT WAS GOOD JOB GETTING MR. MAREN TO AGREE TO THAT.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN, I THINK IT WOULD'VE BEEN PROBLEMATIC THE OTHER WAY.
YEAH, I'M REALLY HAPPY WITH THE WAY IT CAME OUT AND I APPRECIATE, UM, THE BOARD PUSHING US TO DO THAT, BUT ALSO FOR MR. MARIN TO BE SO WILLING TO AGREE YEAH.
SO HE'S BEEN, HE'S BEEN GREAT AND WE ARE HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH HIM.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS SO WE COULD GIVE, UH, THE APPLICANT A GOOD FEEL OF WHAT, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO BE INCLUDED IN THE FINAL PLAN? UH, THERE WERE, THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS, WALTER, FROM THE H O A, UH, FROM THE, UH, C A C REGARDING THE H O A AND THE MAINTENANCE, UH, OF THE STREET.
UH, MS. ROBERTS, COULD YOU YOU COMMENT ON THAT FOR US PLEASE? SURE, SURE.
SO, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN OUR TEAM AND THE TOWN ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ABOUT WHETHER THE PROPOSED ROAD, UM, DRIVEWAY, I'LL CALL IT WAS GOING TO BE A TOWN ROAD OR WHETHER IT WAS JUST GOING TO BE A SHARED ROADWAY THAT THE H O A WOULD MAINTAIN AND, UM, BECAUSE OF THE IMPERVIOUS PAVEMENT THAT'S BEING USED THERE, UM, THE TYPE OF PAVEMENT THE TOWN WOULD PREFER FOR IT TO BE A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY, A ROADWAY.
SO WE ARE GOING TO BE FORMING AN H O A, UM, THAT WILL OWN THAT LOT.
AND THEY ALSO, THE C A C HAD A BIG CONCERN ABOUT THE WETLAND MITIGATION.
UM, THAT'S GONNA BE LOCATED ON ONE OF THE LOTS.
STEVE OR ROSS, CAN YOU ZOOM INTO THE WETLAND AREA, UM, IS GOING TO BE SOME PLANTINGS THAT WE PUT INTO THE WETLAND AREA PROPOSED BY BETH EVANS, WHO'S OUR WETLAND CONSULTANT, AND WHAT WE AGREED TO AT THE C A C, UM, BASED ON THEIR CONCERN THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF THAT LOT OWNER DOESN'T DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO MAINTAIN THE WETLAND AREA, WE AGREED FOR THE H O A TO ALSO, UM, HAVE MAINTENANCE OBLIGATIONS OF THE WETLAND AREA.
SO, UM, YEAH, WE'LL BE PUTTING TOGETHER, I I IMAGINE AS A CONDITION OF SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, AN H O A WILL NEED TO BE FORMED.
WOULD THAT BE A DEEDED, UH, A DEEDED, UH, EASEMENT ONTO THE, THAT PROPERTY THEN? SO THERE WOULD BE A FEW THINGS GOING ON.
THERE WOULD BE AN H O A FORMED THAT WOULD OWN THE LOT FOUR, I'LL CALL IT, WHICH IS THE SHARED ROADWAY,
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AND THEN THERE WOULD BE AN EASEMENT, UM, IN FAVOR OF THE H O A OVER THE LOT THAT HAS THE WETLANDS.THAT'S WHAT I WAS, THAT'S ONE.
AND SO THEY WOULD BE MAINTAINING, AND THEN THE TOWN WOULD ALSO BE A PARTY TO THAT EASEMENT.
AND ESSENTIALLY THE REASON FOR THAT IS, UM, IN CASE FOR WHATEVER REASON THE H O A DOES NOT DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, THE TOWN HAS THE RIGHT TO COME ON AND DO THE WORK AND THEN CHARGE THE H O A.
UH, IT'S FAIRLY TYPICAL AND WE WERE HAPPY TO AGREE TO THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S FAIR AND DAVE AND I THAT COMMONLY IN OUR PRACTICE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS, WALTER, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF, UM, EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS ROADWAY, IS THERE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT? SO WE HAD, UM, J M C HAD A BUNCH OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UM, ONE OF THE CACS BIGGEST COMMENTS WAS ACTUALLY ABOUT, UM, THE PUTTING OR, OR MAYBE IT WAS YOUR BOARD, ABOUT PUTTING LANDSCAPING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROUNDABOUT.
AND SO WE DID TALK TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ABOUT THAT.
THEY WERE WITH, WITH US DOING THAT.
AND I, I BELIEVE HE ALSO WIDENED ONE OF THE, UM, DRIVEWAYS, I THINK IT WAS ON, UM, LOT ONE TO ACCOMMODATE FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUESTS.
AND NOW THEY, THEY ARE SATISFIED WITH THE PLANS.
AND THEY HAVE NO ISSUES WITH DRIVING ON THIS TYPE OF ROADWAY OR ANY OTHER EQUIPMENT ON THIS ROADWAY? NO ISSUES.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, IF NOT, THEN, UH, UH, WE WOULD LOOK FORWARD TO YOU COMING BACK WITH, UH, WITH, UM, PROPOSED FINAL PLANS, AND THEN HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THAT WILL TAKE YOU TO DO OR SO, UM, REALLY, I, I GUESS THE, THE THING THAT WILL TAKE THE LONGEST IS PROBABLY JUST WORKING WITH ED TO GET HIM TO SIGN OFF ON, ON THE PLANS.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S REALLY A MINOR MODIFICATION, BUT COMMUNICATION WITH ED, ESPECIALLY DURING COVID ISN'T ALWAYS THE QUICKEST.
SO THE HOPE WOULD BE THAT WE'LL BE BACK BEFORE YOUR BOARD IF WE CAN'T, CAN'T MAKE A SUBMISSION IN TIME FOR THE MONTH, THE MEETING LATER THIS MONTH TO BE ON THE FIRST MEETING IN YOUR APRIL, APRIL AGENDA.
SO YOU THINK YOU'LL BE READY TO COME BACK THE FIRST MEETING IN APRIL? THAT'S THE GOAL, RIGHT, DAVE? OKAY.
YOU HAVE, UH, UH, I, WE FINALIZE THE AGENDA AT LEAST, UH, A WEEK AHEAD OF TIME, SO IT'D BE GOOD IF YOU KEEP IN CONTACT WITH, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT AND LET HIM KNOW BEFORE I SIT DOWN WITH HIM AND MAKE UP THE APRIL AGENDA.
SIMON, WE ARE IN, UM, A LOT OF CONTACT WITH AARON AND WE APOLOGIZE TO HIM, BUT REALLY APPRECIATE HIS HELP ALL THE TIME.
SO, UH, WE WILL DEFINITELY BE IN POST COMMUNICATION AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH PEOPLE.
I JUST WANTED, I JUST WANTED TO ADD, I KNOW YOU TOUCHED ON THE REESE SUBDIVISION APPLICATION, MR. MARIN.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR ANY ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE FROM THE BOARD? ARE YOU GUYS READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT APPLICATION? AND I APOLOGIZE IF YOU ALREADY TOUCHED ON IT.
YEAH, I SPOKE ABOUT IT AT THE BEGINNING.
UH, I THINK I CHARACTERIZED IT AS A RE SUBDIVISION AS LONG AS THAT'S HOW YOU CHARACTERIZE IT, AARON, IN THE PLANNING BOARD, AND IT'S NOT, IT'S, I, I I'M NOT HERE LINE, IT'S SORT OF A LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT, BUT I THINK THE WAY THE TOWN HANDLES IT IS A RE SUBDIVISION EITHER WAY.
AND THE WAY WE LOOKED AT IT IS, IS THAT IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, OF THE PRESENTATION, IN TERMS OF THE HEARING, YOU COULD COMBINE IT, BUT THEN THE DECISION WILL BE TWO SEPARATE DECISIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY, BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO GO THROUGH, UH, THE, UH, WORK SESSION AND THEN GO THROUGH THE SAME FOR THE OTHER ONE WHEN THEY'RE REALLY INTERCONNECTED.
SO OUR FINAL DECISION WILL BE SEPARATE, BUT WE WILL GO THROUGH THE PROCESSES ONE APPLICATION.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH AND WE WILL SEE YOU IN A FEW WEEKS.
WE WILL NOW GO INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, UM, SESSION.
WE HAVE, UH, ONE, ONLY ONE ITEM ON
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THE AGENDA THAT'S, UH, PB 1913.AND I'M HAPPY TO SET THE ROLE CHAIR PERSON.
NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT BOARD MEMBER
UH, AS CHAIRPERSON, SIMON MENTIONED THE NEXT ITEM, THE NEXT ITEM AND THE ONLY ITEM ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING IS CASE NUMBER PB 1913 THOMPSON, LOCATED AT 2111 SAW MILL RIVER ROAD PO WHITE PLAIN ON R 21 FAMILY RESIDENCE.
CIVILIAN DISTRICT PROJECT INVOLVES THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW DETACHED 1700 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE STRUCTURE AND RELATED 1,157 SQUARE FOOT DRIVEWAY EXPANSION, WHICH ENTAILS REGULATED STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE AND REGULATED TREE REMOVALS.
CONCURRENTLY THE APPLICANTS SEEK LEGALIZED THROUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED SITE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING THE REPAIR AND EXPANSION OF PATHWAYS AND RELATED STAIRWAYS REPAIR AND CONSTRUCTION OF RETAINING WALLS, REGRADING ACTIVITIES AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, AND VARIOUS BUILDING AND PATIO ENCLOSURES.
THE APPLICANT LAST APPEARED BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD AT A WORK SESSION ON FEBRUARY 17TH, 2021.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT THIS EVENING WITH DETAIL OF THE PROJECT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTION ON THE BOARD OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY HAVE.
SO MR. ESS IS HERE? YES, I HAVE.
THE DRAWING I CAN SPLIT UP FOR YOU TO SPEAK TO.
JUST BEAR WITH ME FOR A MOMENT.
THANK YOU FOR THAT INTRODUCTION.
UH, GENTLEMEN, I, I WAS CAUGHT IN MY CLASS IN W C C, BUT THESE PHONES AND THESE CHILDREN HERE, THE, THE, THAT MY STUDENTS HELPED ME TO HOOK UP.
SO I AM SO HAPPY THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO, UH, CAN YOU PLEASE PUT THE OVERALL SITE PLAN SO THAT I CAN, UH, GIVE THEM AN OVERALL VIEW OF, OF THE PROJECT? UM, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED HERE IS THE, UH, OWNER, MR. THOMPSON PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY.
UM, AND, AND WHEN HE BOUGHT IT, HE WAS IN A PRETTY DISHEVELED, EXCUSE ME, DISHEVELED CONDITION.
SO HE BEGAN TO DO WHATEVER YOUR HOMEOWNER DOES IS TO FIX, CUT, REPAIR A CLEAN.
AND, UM, UM, THE, THE FIRST TIME THAT WE, UH, MET WAS BECAUSE THE TOWN HAD GIVEN HIM A VIOLATION BECAUSE HE CUT A TREE THAT HE WASN'T SUPPOSED TO CUT.
THEN OF COURSE, WE, WE FOUND OUT THAT HE FOUND OUT WHAT THE RULES WERE.
WE, WE BEGAN TO WORK TOGETHER AND THE PROJECT BEGAN TO GROW INTO FIXING THE HOUSE, UH, MAKING IT, UH, MORE LIVABLE AND AT THE SAME TIME DEVELOPED THE PROCESS OF, OKAY, WELL, HOW ARE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO HOUSE THE VEHICLES THAT I HAVE? SO THE, THE CONCEPT OF DESIGNING AN ANCILLARY STRUCTURE FOR THE CARS BECAME A REALITY.
UH, IN DOING SO, UH, THE EXCAVATION, UH, THAT'S WHERE THE GREEN SHADED AREA IS, THE EXCAVATION, UM, OF THE, UH, PARTIALLY, UM, AIR, THERE'S AN AREA THERE THAT WAS MOVED BEFORE US.
IT WAS EXCAVATED BEFORE US, AND THERE WAS BASICALLY A, A LUMP OF SOIL THAT WAS, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOT THERE, BUT IT, IT, IT NEEDED TO BE EXCAVATED IN ORDER FOR THE GARAGE TO BE ABLE TO EXIST RIGHT NEXT TO THE POOL SO THAT IT CAN DOUBLE AS A POOL HOUSE AS WELL.
THE PURPLE AREA IS THE NEW AMOUNT OF PAVEMENT THAT HAS TO BE BUILT FROM THE EDGE OF THE EXISTING, AS YOU CAN SEE, WHERE THE PAVEMENT, UH, WHERE THE WHITE PAVEMENT ENDS AND THE PURPLE BEGINS.
SO THE, THE, THE GREEN REPRESENTS THE FOOTPRINT OF THE NEW GARAGE.
IT'S A FOUR CAR GARAGE, AND THE PURPLE REPRESENTS, UH, AN EXTENSION OF THE PAVEMENT TO GET TO THE GARAGE.
UM, THERE, THERE WAS A ALSO, AT THE TIME THAT, UM, UH, ALL THIS WAS HAPPENING, UH, MR. THOMPSON UPGRADED HIS HOUSE.
UNBEKNOWNST TO HIM, HE, HE ENCLOSED A PORCH IN THE BACK OF THE, UH, HOUSE AS WELL AS UNDERNEATH THE HOUSE, WHICH WAS AN OPEN GARAGE.
AND HE, HE CREATED A, A MORE SAFE ENVIRONMENT AND, UH, WITH HEAT AND WITH, WITH, WITH, UH, ENERGY LOSS AND SO ON.
SO, BUT OF COURSE, HE DID THAT WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF A BUILDING PERMIT.
WE, WE, WE SUBMITTED TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, UM, AND WE, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF OBTAINING A BUILDING PERMIT AND A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR ALL THE WORK.
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THAT, THE BEAUTIFICATION OF THE SITE PLAN INVOLVED, UH, UPGRADING SOME OF THE RETAINING RULES THAT WERE FALLING AND DANGEROUS FOR THE CHILDREN.IN OTHER WORDS, HE, HE BEAUTIFIED THE HOUSE.
HE PREPARED THE HOUSE FOR HIS FAMILY TO COME AND LIVE IN THERE.
UM, AND, AND, UH, OF COURSE, WE, WE NEED TO, WE NEED THE PERMISSION OF THE BOARD TO, UH, UH, CONTINUE WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT APPROVAL PROCESS.
UM, AND OF COURSE, WE CUT FOUR TREES, BUT THE TREES TWO, ONE OF THEM DIED, AND IT'S NOT PRESENT IN THE JOINTS BECAUSE IT FELL IN, IN, AGAINST THE HOUSE DURING ONE OF THE STORMS. UH, THE OTHER FOUR THAT YOU SEE THERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE ARE LOCUST TREES, AND THEY'RE VERY, VERY OLD.
AND, UH, TWO OF THEM ARE DEAD, AND TWO OF THEM ARE QUITE OLD AND QUITE DANGEROUS.
THEY HAVE TO BE TAKEN, THEY SHOULD BE TAKEN DOWN THE ARBORISTS, UM, THAT WE SPOKE TO.
UH, AND I BELIEVE ALSO AARON, UH, AGREES WITH THAT, WITH THAT CHOICE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A WHOLE SERIES OF PLANTING SCHEDULED SHRUBS AND NEW TREES THAT ARE PART OF THIS APPLICATION THAT OF COURSE WILL BE, WILL BE CARRIED OUT, UH, WITH LOTS OF JOY FROM THE OWNERS.
UH, SO THAT NOW THAT THE SPRING IS COMING, WE CAN FINALLY, UH, UH, BEAUTIFY THE, THE GARDENS, THE EDGES, AND BEGIN TO BEGIN TO MAKE THE GARAGE A REALITY.
THAT IN ESSENCE IS, IS THE PRESENTATION.
YOU CAN SEE IN THESE PICTURES, THE UPGRADING OF THE WALLS THAT WERE, UH, TOTALLY DISHEVELED WHEN THE HOUSE WAS PURCHASED.
IT IS NOW A MUCH MORE, UH, ENJOYABLE, UH, UH, PATH FOR THE ENTRY AND FOR THE FAMILY AND FOR THE VISITORS AND SO ON.
WE ALSO, WE ALREADY HAD PLANTED A FEW, UH, ABU AT THE ENTRANCE, UM, TO KIND OF SHIELD US FROM THE, FROM THE TRAFFIC.
UH, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE PLANNING TO DO MORE, UH, MORE OF THAT, MORE OF THE SAME.
AND, AND THE OWNER IS, IS VERY, UM, UH, EAGER TO BEGIN THE EMBELLISHMENT OF THE GARDENS.
UM, THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE AREA OF THE GARAGE THAT WAS ENCLOSED.
IT WAS ALREADY A GARAGE UNDER THE STRUCTURE, BUT IT HAD NO WALLS.
SO MR. THOMPSON SIMPLY ENCLOSED IT, UM, UH, FOR THE SECURITY.
HE HAS TWO DOGS THAT HE DIDN'T WANT TO MEANDER ABOUT.
SO IT WAS BASICALLY, UH, SECURING THE HOUSE AND, UH, BUT UNFORTUNATELY DID IT WITHOUT, WITHOUT A PERMIT.
BUT I WENT AND I VERIFIED THE CONDITION OF THE STRUCTURE SIGNED OFF ON IT IS, IT IS COMPLETELY FOLLOWING CODE.
UH, THE GARAGE DOOR IS INSTALLED PROPERLY.
EVERYTHING, UM, WE STRUCTURALLY, UM, BUT AGAIN, WE NEED, WE NEED OUR PERMISSION TO CONTINUE IN THE PATH OF THE EMBELLISHMENT OF THE HOUSE.
ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT WHEN WE, WHEN THIS APPLICATION CAME BEFORE THE BOARD, IT WAS, UH, UH, PRESENTED AS A LEGALIZATION OF THIS PROPERTY BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND I INDICATED PREVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE THE POWER OR THE EXPERTISE TO LEGALIZE THE BUILDING THAT IS CLEARLY WITHIN THE BUILDING'S DEPARTMENT PURVIEW.
OUR ROLE, OUR, UH, ROLE IS TO LOOK AT THE STEEP SLOPE, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE LANDSCAPING, AND, UH, UH, AND MAKE A DECISION ON THAT, WHETHER OR NOT THE WALLS WERE IMPROPERLY INSTALLED WITHOUT A PERMIT.
THAT'S STRICTLY WITHIN THE BUILDING'S DEPARTMENT.
UH, SO OUR ROLE TONIGHT SHOULD FOCUS ON THOSE ITEMS, OUS, SURFACE, STEEP SLOPE, LANDSCAPING, UH, DRAINAGE, UM, WETLANDS.
YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT AND EVALUATE IN THIS APPLICATION.
I, I DID NOT DWELL ON THE WETLANDS.
UH, BUFFER IS MAGICALLY 100 AND SOMETHING FEET FROM THE AREAS OF DISTURBANCE I FORGOT TO MENTION.
UH, BUT NEVERTHELESS, WE ARE CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE A CONCERN TO THE BOARD.
THE, THE, THE METHODS OF OIL EROSION.
THE MOST WE WILL BE DOING IS EXCAVATING FEET DEEP.
AND IT IS A TRENCH THAT FOLLOWS THE
UM, THAT IS THE FIRST THING THAT ACTUALLY OCCURS.
WE, WE, WE POUR THE FOOTINGS, WE DO THE FROST WALLS, AND WE CAN BACKFILL AND
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STABILIZE THE SOIL RIGHT AWAY.IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT STAYS OPEN TO THE WEATHER AND THE STORM WATER EFFECTS.
UH, WE OF COURSE HAVE A PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND APPROVED BY ENGINEERING FOR THE STORMWATER CONTROL, FOR THE ADDITIONAL PAVEMENT AND THE ROOF, UH, MATERIAL OF THE, OF THE STRUCTURE.
SO THAT ALSO HAS BEEN APPROVED BY ENGINEERING.
UH, AND AGAIN, IT'S A VERY BIG HEIGHT.
WE ARE LUCKY IN THE SENSE THAT WE, WE HAD PLENTY OF CHOICES OF WHERE TO PUT IT.
UH, THERE'S AN EXISTING POOL AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT WHERE, AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE, AND IT HAS BEEN REHABILITATED, AND WE'RE THEN USED DOUBLE THE, THE GREEK THAT, THE GREEN SHAPE THAT'S THERE TO DOUBLE UP AS A, AS A POOL, UM, UM, HOUSE, A POOL, REST AREA.
UM, AND IT'S, IT'S REALLY ENCOMPASSING THE, THE, THE, THE VERY LARGE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, UH, UNITE ALL THE ELEMENTS, THE, THE ANCILLARY STRUCTURE, THE MAIN HOUSE, UH, AND THE POOL SO THAT THE COMPLEX BECOMES MORE, UH, MORE USABLE IN THE SENSE OF, UH, OF, OF EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING BEING COMPLIMENTARY TO EVERYTHING ELSE.
YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S YOUR OVERALL PLAN, BUT I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO WALK US THROUGH EACH COMPONENT IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, SLEEP, THE STEEP SLOPE, WHAT EXACTLY THE PLAN, HOW MUCH SOIL YOU'RE REMOVING IN TERMS OF THE DIFFERENTIAL IN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE NOW COMPARED TO WHAT YOU'LL HAVE WHEN THE PROJECT IS FINISHED? UH, UM, WALK US THROUGH THE FACT THAT YOU'RE TAKING DOWN THESE TREES AND, AND THE LE THANK YOU, YOU'RE PUTTING IN PLACE OF IT.
THE, THE, THE, LET'S DISCUSS THE STEEP SLOPE, UH, ASPECT OF IT.
AND THE ONLY AREA THAT AFFECTS STEEP SLOPE WOULD BE MAYBE ONE THIRD OF THAT SHAPE IN GREEN.
IF, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONTOURS, THE STEEP CONTOURS, UH, OCCUR, UH, FROM HALF OF THE GREEN SHAPE TO THE LEFT, NOT EVEN, IT'S PROBABLY ONE THIRD OF THAT.
AND LIKE I SAID, THAT AREA SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN UNNATURALLY BUILT UP, UM, INTO A MOUND BECAUSE, UM, THERE'S A QUICK, THERE'S A QUICK DROP AT, AT A CERTAIN PORTION.
HALF OF THE HALF OF THE GARAGE IS ON A VERY FLAT AREA, AND HALF OF IT IS ON A VERY STEEPLY, UH, ARTIFICIALLY CREATED MOUNT.
UM, SO THAT'S THE ONLY PORTION OF THE STEEP SLOPE, UH, UM, UH, INTRUSION.
THE, UH, THE, THE, THE PURPLE AREA WOULD PROBABLY OBJECT, EXCUSE ME FOR MINUTE.
AS YOU GO THROUGH, CAN YOU QUANTIFY IT? YOU SAID THAT'S THE ONLY SPOT? HOW MANY SQUARE FEET IS THAT, THAT YOU'RE, I I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S ABOUT, I WOULD SAY TWO BETWEEN TWO 50 AND 300 SQUARE FEET OF FEET.
OF SQUARE FEET AND, AND OH, IT'S CUBIC FEET THAT WE NEED TO KNOW? WELL, NO, THE CU THE CUBIC FEED WOULD BE TIMES FIVE.
AND, AND THE, THE AREA IN PURPLE.
AND I'M GLAD THAT, UH, THAT AARON, UH, COLORED IT BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE IT VERY QUICKLY, VERY DRAMATICALLY WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE DRIVEWAY.
IT'S A VERY LONG DRIVEWAY FROM SAWMILL TO THE EXISTING HOUSE AND BEYOND.
UM, AND, AND SO THAT PURPLE AREA WAS SIMPLY TOO, AND THE AREA THERE IS DEAD FLAT.
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THE COMPARISON AND PERCENTAGE OF THE WHITE PAVEMENT TO THE PURPLE AREA WOULD PROBABLY REPRESENT 10 TO 12% OF AN ADDITIONAL, UH, AMOUNT OF PAVED SURFACE OF, OF DRIVEWAY SURFACE.
IF YOU INCLUDE THE PAVED AREA OF THE, OF THE HOUSE AND THE WALKWAYS AND THE POOL SURFACE, IT PROBABLY REPRESENTS 5% IN ADDITION TO, TO THE IMPERMEABLE SURFACE.
BUT ALL OF THAT, OF COURSE, IS BEING PICKED UP AND BEING DELIVERED, UH, TO A CULTEC SYSTEM, UM, FOR A ZERO NET GAIN, UH, FOR A 25 YEAR STORM.
UH, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE THERE.
ANY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS APPLICATION? YES.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE DRAWING WITH THE PURPLE THAT WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT.
UH, SO FIRST OF ALL, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LINE IS TO THE RIGHT OF THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
I SEE ALL THE WAY FROM THE STREET UP TO THE PURPLE.
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A HARD LINE.IT SAYS EXISTING DRIVEWAY, THEN THERE'S ANOTHER LINE WITH SOME DOTS IN IT.
WHAT DOES THAT LINE REPRESENT? THAT THAT WOULD BE THE, UH, LOCATION OF THE SILT FENCE.
BECAUSE THE EDGE, THE FIRST LINE THAT YOU MENTIONED IS THE VERY, VERY, UH, CLEAR LINE WHERE THE PAVEMENT ENDS AND THE STEEPS STEEPS SLOPE BEGINS.
THIS IS ALMOST LIKE A, LIKE A ROAD CUTTING THROUGH A A VALLEY.
IT'S, IT'S THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT.
THIS IS NOT CREATED BY US, THIS IS EXISTING.
SO THE SECOND LINE IT, YEAH, THE SECOND LINE IS THE LINE WHERE THE, THE, THE SOIL, UH, UH, UH, BLOCKING DEVICE, THE, THE SILT FENCE WOULD BE PLACED.
I, I UNDERSTAND THE SELF FENCE.
MY NEXT QUESTION IS ABOUT THE PURPLE.
'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY A VERY LARGE DRIVEWAY.
THAT'S A LOT OF ASPHALT ALREADY.
AND IF IT'S REALLY GOING TO A GARAGE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE NEW AREA, THE PURPLE AREA, NEEDS TO BE THAT WIDE.
IT SEEMS LIKE FOR CAR ACCESS, IT WOULDN'T NEED TO BE FOR BACKING OUT.
WOULDN'T HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT SHAPE AND THAT SIZE.
IF, IF, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO WALK THE PROPERTY, BUT IF YOU WERE TO STAND AT THE EDGE OF THE EXISTING PAVED AREA AND YOU WERE TO IMAGINE A FULL TURNING RADIUS FOR A CAR, UM, AND IF YOU WERE TO SEE THE EDGE OF THE PURPLE ON THE RIGHT SIDE, YOU WOULD BE VERY AFRAID THAT IF YOU HAD TO, UM, HAVE TO WORK, UM, UM, UM, HAVE TO WORK THE GEOMETRY OF A VEHICLE AT NIGHT, FOR EXAMPLE, I'M ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT, UH, THIS SITUATION.
AND NOT ONLY IN THIS CASE, BUT IN ANYWHERE IT HAPPENS, IT'S A VERY STEEP AREA.
IT'S NOT A RAVINE, BUT IT DROPS SIX TO EIGHT FEET.
IT IT NOT THAT, NOT THAT THAT GIVES US PERMISSION TO DO THE IMPOSSIBLE, BUT, UH, IT, IT, THE, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM, UH, UH, WHY THE PURPLE IS THE PURPLE IS BECAUSE OF THE NEED FOR THE GEOMETRY OF THE TURNAROUND FOR A VEHICLE COMING IN AND OUT OF THE, UH, UH, UH, OF THE SAFETY SAKE.
NOW WE COULD, WE COULD, IF, IF THE BOARD CONSIDERS IT NECESSARY, UH, PUT AN IMPERMEABLE TYPE OF PAVEMENT THERE.
UM, BUT, BUT, UH, THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE ALREADY IS PICKING UP THAT WHOLE AREA.
I, BUT THE BASIC, THE, THE MAIN ANSWER TO YOUR, TO YOUR QUESTION IS THAT THE GEOMETRY AND THE TURNING RADIUS IS THAT ARE, WOULD SAFELY WORK, WOULD HAVE TO BE AT LEAST THAT WIDE.
IF I DON'T HAVE THAT WIDTH, IF I LIMIT IT, UM, AND THAT RAVINE ON THE SIDE, IT'S JUST, IT, IT MAKES ME, UM, OF, OF, OF EVEN ALLOWING A GARAGE TO BE THERE.
HELP ME UNDERSTAND EMELIA, 'CAUSE I HAVE NOT BEEN TO THE PROPERTY.
IT LOOKS LIKE JUST BELOW THE PURPLE THERE'S A BIG EXPANSIVE ASPHALT.
I I BELIEVE YOU SAID IT'S MAYBE ON A STEEP GRADE.
AND, AND WHY CAN'T I CAN MOVE THE GARAGE TO THE, I CAN MOVE THE NO, IT IS, THAT'S, THAT'S A TURNAROUND RIGHT NOW FOR THE GARAGE.
'CAUSE THE GARAGE YOU CAN ENTER, UH, FROM THE FRONT AND YOU CAN ENTER FROM THE BACK.
SO IT, IT, IT WAS DONE THAT WAY IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE THE INTRUSION TO THE WETLANDS BECAUSE AFTER, AFTER THAT PAVEMENT ENDS, YOU HAVE A SEVERE DROP AND YOU HAVE THE BROOK.
SO BY DEFINITION, WE HAVE TO STAY WITHIN THOSE SAME PHYSICAL LIMITS.
THE ONLY REASON WHY THE PURPLE IS EXTENDED FURTHER BACK IS SO THAT THE MASS OF THE GARAGE CAN PLAY WITH THE CENTER LINE OF THE POOL AND, AND THAT IT JUST ADDS, UH, UH, MORE ELEGANCE TO ALL THE, BOTH MASSES.
IF WE PUT IT TOGETHER, UM, IT, IT DOESN'T LOOK AS HIGH.
SO IT'S AN AESTHETIC DECISION AS WELL AS A DECISION FOR ALLOWING AN EASIER TRANSIT FROM THE EXISTING GARAGE AND FROM THE NEW GARAGE.
BECAUSE IF I, IF I, IF I PUT 'EM TOO CLOSE TOGETHER, YOU MIGHT, WE MIGHT, I MEAN, IT CAN BE DONE.
UH, I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S THE LUXURY THAT WE GAVE OURSELVES BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE LOT THAT WE HAVE.
WE'RE TRYING TO USE IT IN AN ARCHITECTURALLY MORE CEREMONIOUS WAY BETWEEN THE POOL AND THE POOL HOUSE AND, AND, UM, AND GIVE OURSELVES A LITTLE BIT MORE LEG ROOM.
BUT EVEN, YOU MEAN YOU LEAVE THE GARAGE WHERE IT IS, I'M STILL NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY THE PURPLE AREA, THE NEW PART OF THE DRIVEWAY NEEDS TO BE THAT WIDE.
I'M ASSUMING YOU HAVE WHAT, TWO? WELL, THE, WELL THE SIDE GARAGE SIDE BY SIDE'S, TWO DOOR GARAGE.
PARDON? IT'S, YES, IT'S TWO, THERE'S TWO DOORS THERE SIDE BY SIDE.
SO WE, WE, BY DEFINITION, YOU NEED EVERY BIT OF, YOU KNOW, 20 SOMETHING.
UM, IF, IF, IF YOU, IF IF YOU GO, IF YOU GO STRAIGHT IN, UM, I LOST THE IMAGE YET YOU, CAN YOU SEE ME GUYS? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
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IF, IF WE WERE TO, IF WE WERE TO IMAGINE GOING STRAIGHT IN, IT WOULD BE AT LEAST A 20 FOOT ELEMENT.I THINK THAT ELEMENT RIGHT NOW, IF ANYTHING IS MAYBE 30 FEET IT, AND YOU SEE, YOU SEE IT CLEARER THERE.
IF YOU ENLARGE IT, YOU SEE ONE CAR TO THE RIGHT, ONE FOOTPRINT OF THE CAR TO THE LEFT.
AND, AND UH, AND THEN THE DOOR, THE, THE ACCESS TO THE STAIRS TO THE LEFT.
UH, SO, SO EVERYTHING, EVERY AND, AND THEN, AND THEN ALSO I, I'M TRYING TO NOT CREATE SOME, SOME TYPE OF STRANGE SHAPE IN, UM, IN, IN, IN, IN THE PAVEMENT.
I'M, IT'S JUST A CONTINUITY OF THE PAVEMENT BACK TO BACK TO TAPE OF THE GARAGE.
I, UM, THERE'S A RETAINING WALL THERE THAT KIND OF PLAYS WITH THE GARDEN BETWEEN THE, THE POOL AND, AND, AND THE MASS OF THE GARAGE.
AND THEN THERE'S A SET OF STAIRS THERE, CONCRETE STEPS THAT, THAT ARE COMING DOWN TO THE EXISTING PAVED, UH, UH, UH, DRIVEWAY.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A BALANCE, I SUPPOSE, UM, OF, OF WHERE THE EDGE OF THE ENTRANCE OF THE GARAGE IS AND WHERE THE TRANSITION, THE SAFE TRANSITION BETWEEN THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY AND THE NEW EDGE OF THE GARAGE.
I, I THINK I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S THE RIGHT, UH, IT'S THE RIGHT TRANSITION.
I, I MEAN, MAKING IT SMALLER AGAIN, THAT EDGE ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS KIND OF DANGEROUS.
I WOULDN'T WANNA, UH, UH, AND THEN, OR I COULD INCREASE, I CAN PUT A PLANTER BETWEEN THE STONE WALL.
UH, I CAN CREATE A, A SMALL PLANTER.
BUT, UH, IT COULD BE DONE, IT COULD STILL BE AN ATTRACTIVE, UH, ELEMENT TO PUT A PLANTER OF FOUR FEET IN WIDTH BETWEEN THE FENCE, THE, THE NEW PROPOSED WALL AND THE, UH, AND, AND A NEW EDGE.
WE CAN PUT A PLANTER THERE AND THEN WE CAN STREAMLINE THE SHAPE IF THAT'S WHAT THE, THE DESIRED IS.
WELL, I, IT JUST, I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT.
'CAUSE IT SEEMS THAT IF YOU HAVE TWO GARAGE DOORS FOR ENTRANCE, THAT THE DRIVEWAY NORMALLY WOULD COME PRETTY STRAIGHT OUT FROM THAT ON THE LEFT.
I'M TRYING TO UNDERST UNDERSTAND THE PART THAT'S BEYOND THAT ON THE LEFT AND WHY IT'S PURPLE.
IF THE BOARD FEELS THAT THAT'S A, THAT'S A GAME.
I'M WILLING TO AGREE WITH THAT.
WE, WE THOUGHT OF PUTTING A GARDEN THERE, BUT THEN THE MAINTENANCE AND THE CARS AND THE WHEELS OVER THE CURB AND YOU KNOW, WE SAID, NOW YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S JUST LEAVE THAT AS A TRANSITION, VEHICULAR TRANSITION.
AND, AND, AND THIS WAY WE CAN ALWAYS, UM, WE, WE ALSO NEED TO WALK, THERE'S A SET OF STAIRS RIGHT ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE GARAGE, UM, THAT BRINGS US NO TO THE RIGHT.
GO TO THE RIGHT, TO THE CORNER, TO THE CORNER, LEFT CORNER OF THE GARAGE.
THERE'S A SET OF STAIRS THAT GOES UP TO THE, THE LANDING.
SO AGAIN, THE, THE, THE, THE LEFTOVER AREA FOR A PLANTER WOULD BE QUITE SMALL.
IT WOULD BE LIKE AN ELLIPTICAL SHAPE BETWEEN THAT, WHERE THE ARROW IS AND WHERE THE AIR, THE, THE EXISTING STAIR ENDS.
I I I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AND
IN FACT, I'M CONSIDERING, UH, MENTIONING TO MY CLIENT TO PUT A, UM, A, A A SIGNIFICANTLY STRONG BARRIER TO ALERT ANYBODY THAT'S NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT IT, TO DRIVING AT NIGHT.
AND MAYBE WE'LL PUT SOME LIGHTING ON THE GARAGE JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EDGE IS VERY, VERY VISIBLE TO EVERYBODY.
WELL WHAT ABOUT, UH, UH, UH, A BALLOT WITH, UH, WITH A LIGHT ON IT AS A PERMANENT YES.
NO, NO, WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO IT WITH, WITH A, WITH A GARAGE LIGHT.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST, YOU'RE BRINGING TO MIND THE, THAT DANGEROUS CONDITION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND, AND I CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, EVERY JOB HAS, ITS AN EDGE OF TROUBLE.
THIS IS THE EDGE OF TROUBLE HERE.
AND WE HAVE TO
A HEAVY TIMBER A 10 BY 10 OR A 12 BY 12.
UH, LIKE THE CONNECTICUT, UH, UH, ROAD DIVIDER.
UH, IN THE MERRI PARKWAY, I'M ON THE MERRI PARKWAY.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE IF THE BOARD'S AGREEABLE TO MODIFY THE PLAN TO PROVIDE FOR THAT PLANTER AND THEN ALSO ADD THE TIMBER GUIDE RAIL.
'CAUSE YOU'VE MENTIONED IT A COUPLE TIMES.
NOW THAT IT'S A SAFETY CONCERN, THE BOARD WOULD CLEARLY GREAT IDEA CONCERN AS WELL.
AND GIVE US THE DETAIL ON THE DRAWING FOR THE TIMBER GUIDE.
AND THEN YOU CAN TAKE OFF THE I THAT WE STILL NEED TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT THOUGH HERE.
IF ANYONE PUBLIC HAS ANY COMMENTS BEFORE, BEFORE WE GO TO THE PUBLIC, I WANT TO, UH, ASK THE, UH, THE REST OF THE BOARD MEMBERS IF THEY
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HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THIS APPLICATION.IF NOT, THEN WE COULD GO TO THE PUBLIC.
IF NO OTHER COMMENTS, THEN WE'LL GO OVER TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT? I KNOW MR. BODEN SAID HE WAS NOT GOING TO SPEAK AND UM, HE'S NOT.
UM, THERE WAS A JOSEPH RAZA, BUT HE MAY BE WITH ANOTHER PROJECT AND NOT A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.
I DID NOT GET ANY PHONE CALLS OR EMAILS FROM INTERESTED MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WITH RESPECT TO THIS PROJECT.
IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME.
SEEING HOW THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM THE, FROM BOARD MEMBERS AND THERE'S NO QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC.
I'LL, UH, UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN OR SET THE WEDNESDAY BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS THAT DATE? THAT WOULD BE MARCH 10TH.
I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL MARCH 10TH.
I WOULD JUST ASK THAT, UH, MR. ESCALADES, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO GET US THE REVISED PLAN BY MARCH 8TH NEXT MONDAY? 100%.
THAT WAY WE CAN POST IT TO THE WEBSITE AND IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE INTERESTED, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE UH, AT LEAST 48 HOURS TO COMMENT ON IT.
UH, SUBMIT WRITTEN COMMENTS TO THE BOARD.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GO BACK INTO WORK SESSION.
I CAN GO RIGHT GUYS, I CAN GO RIGHT? YES.
YOU CAN STAY IF YOU'D LIKE TO.
DID SOMEONE SECOND THAT MO MY MOTION? YEAH, SOMEBODY DID.
OKAY, WE'LL GO BACK INTO, UH, WORK SESSION AND WE HAVE REMAINING A NEW CASE.
GOODNIGHT AS, UH, CHAIRPERSON.
SIMON MENTIONED THE LAST CASE ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING IS CASE NUMBER PB 20 DASH 26 2 AND GH LOCATED AT THREE 40 SOUTH TELY AVENUE, PO SCARSDALE AND THE R TEN ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT.
THE PROJECT INVOLVES THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH AN ATTACHED TWO CAR GARAGE, FRONT AND REAR STAIRWELL THE DECK AND RETAINING WALL ALONG WITH RELATED IMPROVEMENTS.
PROJECT INVOLVES REGULATED STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE AND REGULATED TREE REMOVALS THEREIN REQUIRING A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AS WELL AS THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
WE NOTE THAT THIS PROPERTY VIA A PRIOR OWNER SLASH APPLICANT, MR. KARSKI PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE UNDER CASE NUMBER PB 17 DASH 14, WHICH WAS APPROVED ON DECEMBER 6TH, 2018.
AND WHICH HAS BEEN EXTENDED ONCE AND CURRENTLY REMAINS VALID.
HIS CURRENT APPLICATION INCREASES THE AREA OF DISTURBANCE IN THE REAR YARD FROM WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED UNDER THE PRIOR APPLICATION.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT THIS EVENING IN DETAIL THE PROJECT FURTHER AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD MAY HAVE.
WE HAVE MS. LEFT PRESENT ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
UH, I JUST ASKED THE APPLICANT IS THAT SEEING HOW THIS CAME BEFORE US SEVERAL YEARS AGO BEFORE SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, UH, WERE ON THE BOARD.
SO THEY HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION.
SO IF YOU COULD START OFF BY EXPLAINING WHAT THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS AND WHAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING.
SO THAT WILL GIVE THOSE BOARD MEMBERS SOME BACKGROUND ON WHAT IS, UH, YOUR, YOU ARE, UH, PROPOSING.
MY NAME IS SHA PALES AND I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER AND I DID PREPARE A LITTLE PRESENTATION AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTION AND CLEAR TO NEW MEMBERS.
SO, UM, SO AS BEFORE IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE
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OR JE RESIDENCE PROJECT.THE, A PROPERTY OWNER IS, IS, UH, THE O AND, UH, MR. PETER G UM, THE APPLICANT IS WESTCHESTER MANAGER HOMES CORPORATION.
AND MR. JOE RAZZA IS ON THE LINE.
I SAW HIM PRESENT SO HE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTION YOU MAY HAVE AS WELL.
AND, UM, I'M
SO THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON 340 SOUTH HILL AVENUE.
IT'S, UH, PO POST OFFICE, DALE AND IT'S IN TOWN OF GREENBURG.
AND THE APPLICATION NUMBER HERE, THIS LOCATED IN RESIDENTIAL R 10 DISTRICT.
AND, UM, WE ARE HERE TO PRESENT YOU, UM, WE REQUIRE THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, CLEAR REMOVAL PERMIT, AND, UH, BUT ON CLEARANCE FORM WAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED IN OCTOBER, LAST OCTOBER.
UH, THESE PERMITS ARE REQUIRED TO OBTAIN, AMONG OTHER PERMITS TO OBTAIN THE BUILDING PERMIT BACKGROUND ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO THE AREA OF SOUTH HILLY AVENUE WHERE THE PROP PROPERTY IS LOCATED IS, UM, RUNNING PARALLEL TO CENTRAL AVENUE.
IT'S KIND OF HIDING BEHIND THE RIDGE LINE, AND IT THAT RIDGE LINE SEPARATES THE, UH, SOUTH HILLY AVENUE FROM THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OF CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE, UH, U S G U, SS G SS MAPS IN FROM 1949, IT APPEARS THAT THE AREA WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1950S BECAUSE, UH, 1949 U S G SS MAX SHOWS, UH, JUST, UH, UM, DASH ROAD, NO HOUSES.
IT SHOWS A SCREEN AND THE, THE MOST OF THE AREA WAS DEVELOPED WITH THE PROPERTY REMAINED UNDEVELOPED SINCE IT WAS CREATED IN 1950S.
THIS IS WHERE THE SITE IS ON THE, UM, AS, UM, AS, AS IT WAS SET IN 2018, A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT WERE ISSUED BASED ON SITE PLAN DRAWINGS PREPARED BY MR. UH, PAUL PETTI PE.
THE EXPIRATION ON THE PERMIT WAS SET, UM, TO BE TWO YEARS, AND IT WAS ABOUT TO EXPIRE PAST DECEMBER, BUT SINCE THERE WAS AN OPTION TO EXTEND THE PERMIT BY TWO MORE YEARS, UM, BY THE PERMIT HOLDER, UH, MR. KARSKI ON BEHALF OF A STATE OF, UH, MISS, UM, GENEVIEVE KARSKI APPLIED FOR TWO YEAR EXTENSION, WHICH WAS APPROVED IN, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S IN 2019.
UM, MS. COHH AND MS.
THIS IS WHERE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED.
AND, UM, WE HAVE R TWO ZONING, UM, THIS, UH, EXCEPTION OF BACKYARD GRADING MEASURE, AND I'LL COME TO THAT TOPIC, UM, LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.
SO THE EXISTING CONDITION, THE PROPERTY IS ALMOST 10,000 SQUARE FOOT PROPERTY.
UM, IT'S SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ALONG THE SIDE, PROPERTY LINES, AND BY A MULTI-FAMILY,
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UM, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.THE PO MR TOPOGRAPHY, THE PROPERTY IS DIVIDED KIND OF INTO THREE SEGMENTS.
THERE IS FRONT SEGMENT, MIDDLE SEGMENT, AND FREER SEGMENT.
THE FRONT SEGMENT IS ALONG THE, UH, STREET, RELATIVELY LEVEL, AND, UM, ABOUT 40 FEET WIDE.
I'M POINTING WITH MY FINGER TO THE SCREEN THAT DOESN'T KNOW, UM, 40 FEET WIDE.
THEN, UH, THERE'S THE ELEVATION TRANSITION FROM ELEVATION 300 TO ELEVATION ABOVE THREE 17, AND THAT'S WHERE ALL THE STEEP SLOPES APPEAR.
AND THEN BACK THERE IS ANOTHER LEVEL AREA, APPROXIMATELY 35 FEET WIDE, THE MID MIDDLE SEGMENT IN THE BACK SEGMENTS, THEY CONTAIN LOTS OF ROCK OUT CROPPINGS.
UH, YOU CAN SEE IT IN THIS PICTURE.
THIS, UH, THIS IS WHERE THE MIDDLE SEGMENT, WHERE THE STEEP SLOPES AREA IS, AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OUT CROPPINGS ALONG THE, UH, ON THE SURFACE, THE, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE CONDITION WILL BE SIMILAR TO WHAT SHOULD, WHAT SHOULD BE ENCOUNTERED.
WHEN WE DRIVE IN THE SOUTH HILL AVENUE, WHERE THE STREET CROSSES THE SAME RIDGE LINE, JUST THE FRONT AND THE BACK SEGMENTS ARE COVERED MOSTLY WITH INDIVIDUAL TREES, WHILE THE MIDDLE SEGMENT IS OCCUPIED BY, UM, CLUSTER OF TREES.
SO HERE WE HAVE THE FRONT SEGMENT, THERE ARE INDIVIDUAL TREES, AND, UM, BEHIND IS THE MIDDLE SEGMENT APPROXIMATELY LINE OF CHANGE.
AND, UM, THIS IS THE BACK, BACK SEGMENT ARGUMENT WHERE AGAIN, THERE ARE INDIVIDUAL TREES NOT TO, SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY TWO STORY MODULAR HOME.
THE PROPOSED BAREFOOT AREA OF THE HOUSE IS, UH, WAS ESTABLISHED BASED ON THE, UM, BUILDABLE AREA.
AND HERE IS ALL THE, THIS IS THE ZONING COMPLIANCE.
UH, EVERY, UM, EVERY ITEM, EVERY, UM, EVERY THREE YARD, FRONT YARD, EVERYTHING IS, UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE, UM, ZONING ORDINANCE.
THEY ARE, UM, CERTAIN, THE LOT SIZE IS SLIGHTLY SMALLER THAN 10,000 SQUARE FEET, AND THE WIDTH OF THE LOT IS, UM, 80 FEET, UM, VERSUS 100.
BUT THAT, UH, THAT PART IS, UM, COVERED WITH THE, UH, TOWN CODE WHERE THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR ZONING ORIGINS BECAUSE OF THIS, UM, VARIANCE.
I, I CAN JUMP IN JUST FOR A MOMENT.
BECAUSE IT, IT COULD BE CONFUSING TO BOARD MEMBERS IN THE PUBLIC AS TO WHY WE HAVE A LOT THAT'S LESS THAN 10,000 SQUARE FEET NOT REQUIRING A ZONING VARIANCE.
AND THERE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN MEMBERS THAT WEREN'T, UM, ON THE BOARD AT THE TIME THAT THE PRIOR PROJECT CAME THROUGH WHERE A DETERMINATION WAS MADE.
THERE'S A PROVISION IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH STATES THAT IF A LOT, A LOT CAN BE UNDER THE, UH, THE MINIMUM REQUIRED SQUARE FOOTAGE AND LOT WIDTH IF THE LOT IS ITS OWN SEPARATE INDIVIDUAL LOT AND WASN'T IN COMMON OWNERSHIP WITH ANY OF THE ADJACENT LOT.
AND WE REVIEWED THAT AT THE TIME THAT MR. KARSKI OR ON BEHALF OF, UH, GENEVIEVE KARSKI SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION AND CONFIRMED THAT THERE WAS NOT EVER A POINT IN TIME WHERE THERE WAS COMMON OWNERSHIP WHERE THE LOTS WOULD'VE EMERGED.
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THAT WAS REVIEWED BY OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND, UM, OUR BUILDING INSPECTORS AS WELL.AND THAT IS THE CASE IN THIS INSTANCE.
SO THEY'RE ABOUT SEVEN SQUARE FEET SHORT, BUT NO VARIANCE REQUIRED BECAUSE THEY DO NEED THE PROVISION.
AND I'M HAPPY TO PULL THAT PROVISION AND EMAIL IT OUT.
ANY BOARD MEMBERS, UH, MIGHT BE INTERESTED, IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UM, AND, UH, JUST THINKING FOR ONE SECOND, AARON, IF YOU'VE GOT A WRITTEN, ANYTHING WRITTEN ON THAT, I THINK IT'D BE GOOD TO SEND IT TO THE BOARD.
I'LL CHECK THE FILE ON THAT FOR SURE.
THE, UM, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENT OF THIS, UH, EXCEPTION, I GUESS, IS THAT THERE CANNOT BE ANY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY AND THAT THAT'S WHY THE, UH, UM, COLUMNS IS, UH, NOT APPLICABLE FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
SO IN ORDER TO CONFIRM WITH THE ZONING FRONTIER SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, THE TWO THIRDS OF THE HOUSE, THE REAR SIDES ARE GOING TO BE NESTLED IN THE MIDDLE BAND OF THE AREA OF STEEP SLOPES.
UM, THE BASEMENT LEVEL WILL BE EXPOSED, UH, TO ON THE STREET SIDE WHILE IT'LL BE FULLY, UM, CUPBOARD IN THE BACK.
AND, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT WILL RESULT IN CREATION OF IMPERVIOUS AREA, WHICH WILL BE ROOF, DRIVEWAY AND WALKWAYS.
AND TO OFFSET THE IMPACT FROM THE IMPERVIOUS AREA INCREASE, WE, WE DESIGNED TWO INFILTRATIONS FROM WATER MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, AND, UH, THEY WILL ASSURE THAT THE 25 YEAR STORM, UM, PEAK FLOWS WILL REMAIN BELOW, UH, THE, UH, EXISTING, EXISTING PEAK FLOWS.
AT THE SAME TIME, THE INFILTRATION PRACTICES WILL TAKE CARE OF THE MOTOR QUALITY STORM.
ONE YEAR STORM EVENT WE DID, UM, WE DID FIELD EXPLORATIONS IN SEPTEMBER, 2020, AND, UM, WE PREPARE STORM MOTION MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH WAS NOT SUBMITTED YET TO THE TOWN ENGINEER BECAUSE WE ARE WAITING FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE STEEP FLOW ENTRY REMOVAL APPLICATION.
UM, SO THIS IS A SITE PLAN WHICH, UH, SHOW THE, SHOWS THE BUILDING THE PROPOSED HOUSE ON A DRIVEWAY FOR WATER FACILITIES.
THERE ARE TWO INFILTRATION BASINS.
UH, HALF OF THE PROPERTIES DIRECTED.
HALF OF THE RUNOFF FROM THE PROPERTY IS DIRECTED INTO THIS BASIN.
AND WE HAVE A, THIS
THERE IS A SANITARY SEW SERVICE.
THERE IS A PROPOSED DECK BEHIND THE HOUSE, STEPS LEADING FROM THE DECK TO THE BACK SEGMENT OR THE LEVEL AREA AND A TREE WALL TO SAVE THIS, UM, TREE.
THE PROPERTY WILL RE, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY WILL REQUIRE REMOVAL OF 19 TREES.
MOST TREES NEEDS TO BE REMOVED TO ACCOMMODATE THE CONSTRUCTION FOOTPRINT AND, UH, SOME OF THE TREES LOCATION IN THE BACK AND ARE BEING REMOVED FOR, FOR SAFETY REASONS.
SO THIS LINE HERE REPRESENTS, UH, TREE PROTECTION ZONE.
UM, THIS IS, THESE ARE TREES TO BE REMOVED.
THERE ARE 19 OF THEM, AND THESE TREES ARE GOING TO REMAIN THE NEW TREE
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PLANTING.PLANTS CHOOSE NEW TREES TO BE PLANTED ON THE PROPERTY.
NEW TREES WERE SELECTED BASED ON THE DOWN IN GREENBERG RECOMMENDED TREE LIST AND CONSIDERATIONS WERE GIVEN TO THEIR LOCATION, SUITABILITY BASED ON THEIR SIZE AND THEIR INTERFERENCE WITH THE NEW, UM, INFRASTRUCTURES, SPECIFICALLY INFILTRATION BASINS.
AND SO THIS PLAN RESULTED, UM, WE HAVE THE EXISTING TREES REMAIN.
WE HAVE THREE TREES, WHICH ARE, UM, CONSIDERED, UH, I BELIEVE MEDIUM TREES.
THOSE TWO TREES, THESE BLACK COUPLES WERE PART OF THE PREVIOUS, UM, APPLICATION THEY WERE SELECTING BASED FROM THE DRAWING.
AND THEN WE SELECTED SMALLER TREES BECAUSE, UH, THERE'S A UTILITY LINES AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO INTERFERE WITH THE UTILITY LINES.
WE, UH, BANDED THE STORM LINE HERE TO ACCOMMODATE OUR TREE.
AND, UM, SO WHEN WE DID, AND TO STABILIZE THE SLOPE, WE ARE PROPOSING, WE PROPOSE, UH, CREEPING ERS OR ANOTHER TYPE OF, UH, CREEPING ERS, OR IF THE OWNERS DECIDE MAYBE DIFFERENT TYPE OF, UH, CROWN COVER.
THE, UM, THE, THIS PLAN, WHAT YOU JUST SAW, UM, IS, UH, FULFILLING THE REQUIREMENT, UH, OF THE TOWN GREEN DOWN TREE ORDINANCE WHEN COMPARING, UH, 30% OF TODAY'S BENEFITS OF TREES TO BE REMOVED, WHICH INCLUDES THE SUNWATER INTER INTERSECTION CAPABILITY AND, UM, C O TWO
AND THEY ARE COMPARED WITH THE NEW TREES WITH MATURITY.
AND BASED ON THOSE VALUES, WE ARE AT OR ABOVE REQUIRED BASED ON THIS METHODOLOGY.
NOW, UM, THE MAIN REASON, UM, WE ARE HERE IS BECAUSE, UH, OF THE DISTURBANCE AREA SIZE.
UM, APPARENTLY, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS WHEN WE INITIALLY SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION FOR STORM, UH, I'M SORRY, FOR SLOPE CLEARANCE HOME, I GOT A CALL FROM THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ASKING US IF WE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, COMPLY WITH THE EXISTING PERMIT.
AND THAT'S HOW WE LEARNED THAT THERE, THERE IS ACTUALLY AN EXISTING PERMIT ON THE PROPERTY.
SO, SO THE INCREASE IN DISTURBANCE AREA BETWEEN THE EB 1714 PERMIT AND ACTIVE APPLICATION IS RESULT OF DIFFERENT CREATING PROJECTS.
THE, WHEN WE COMPARE THE PLANS, THE PB 1714 PERMIT AND THE CURRENT APPLICATION BOTH SHOW THE REAR WALL OF THE HOUSE IN THE SAME PLANE.
THEY ALL HAVE SIMILAR TREATMENT FOR THE, UM, SPACE BEHIND THE HOUSE.
AND, UM, THE PROPOSED WALL ON PD 1714 IS SITUATED IN ALMOST IDENTICAL LOCATION AS THE CO GO ON THE PROPOSED FLOW UNDER CURRENT, AND HOPEFULLY THE GRAPHIC WILL BE LITTLE BIT.
SO, UM, THIS IS A SITE PLAN PREPARED BY, UH,
UM, WE HAVE A PROPERTY LINE HERE JUST FOR REFERENCE PURPOSES.
WE HAVE A LINE OF THE, UM, BUILDING WHERE THIS IS THE BACK FACE OF THE
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BUILDING, AND THEN WE HAVE A LINE WHICH REPRESENTS THE LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE LINE.WHICH DISTURBANCE LINE IN THIS CASE WAS BASICALLY THE BLUE LINE AND EVERYTHING SOUTH, I'M SORRY, IN THIS DIRECTION OF IT WAS TO BE DISTURBED AND THIS TO THE RIGHT WAS TO REMAIN.
UM, NOW I WILL SUPERIMPOSED THE CURRENT PLAN OVER THIS REMAIN THE PROPERTY LINE REMAINS.
THIS IS THE BASELINE OF THE BUILDING, AND THIS IS THE DISTURBANCE LINE OF THE ACTIVE PERMIT EB 1714.
AND THIS, THIS LINE HERE IS THE DISTURBANCE LINE OF POWER APPLICATION.
SO IN, IN, UH, THE LATEST ITERATION, THERE'S NO BACK WALL THERE? CORRECT.
SO THE, SO MAYBE I, SO THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE, UM, BASICALLY CATCHING THE, CATCHING THE GRADE IN THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION WAS CATCHING THE GRADE BY RETAINING POLE.
WHILE WE ARE PROPOSING ONE ON TWO FLOW, AND THE REASON WE SELECTED ONE AND TWO SLOW AMONG, THERE ARE OTHER REASON AS WELL, BUT, UH, ONE OF THEM IS THAT, UM, THIS, THIS WOULD BE CONDITION WHERE WE WOULD, WHERE TO CREATE, UH, RETAINING WALL.
THIS, THIS IS THE, UH, THIS IS THE LINE OF DISTURBANCE ON THE CURRENT APPLICATION.
AND, UM, SO IT, THE RETAINING WALL WOULD HAVE TO BE ABOUT SEVEN FEET HIGH.
IT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD REQUIRE SOME SORT OF FOOTING.
I'M, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER.
IT MAY BE DIFFERENT ROLES, SO THAT CAN BE TREATED DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT IT WOULD, COULD BE IMPACTING THE, UM, ONE AND TWO LINE OF, OF FOOTING INTERFERENCE HERE, AND IT ENCLOS THE SPACE.
SO ONE WOULD KIND OF FEEL CLOSE HERE WHILE THE ONE AND TWO SLOPE OPENS THE AREA UP PROVIDES MORE SPACE AROUND HERE.
AND IT'S, UH, KIND OF MORE OPEN AS FAR AS THE WORK WHICH IS REQUIRED.
IT'S EITHER, YOU KNOW, EXCAVATION BEHIND THE HOUSE, UH, BEHIND THE WALL HERE TO PROVIDE GRAVEL DRAINAGE LAYER OR JUST TO CREATE A SLOPE.
UM, UH, ONE
IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN WITH THE WALL, WOULD THE, UH, RESIDENT HAVE ACCESS TO THAT FLAT AREA ON THE TOP? UH, NO.
HOW WOULD THEY ACCESS THAT? WELL, UM, IN THAT PLAN CURRENTLY AS IT IS THERE WERE, THERE WAS NO ACCESS.
AND THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT BECAUSE THIS WOULD KIND OF, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, THE, THE OTHER REASON IS TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE BAG, BUT THE, THE ONE WHICH IS CURRENTLY, UM, UM, UNDER CONSIDERATE, UH, I'M SORRY, UM, ACTIVE THE APPLICATION, I GUESS ONE COULD CREATE STEPS SOMEWHERE SOMEHOW IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE RETAINING FORM.
BUT IT, IT WOULD MOVE THAT DISTURBANCE AREA, AREA TO SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT LOCATION TOWARDS MORE TOWARDS THE DISTURBANCE AREA, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE.
ALSO, THIS DISTURBANCE AREA, WHICH WE ARE PROPOSING, UM, UM, IS SHOWN PROBABLY ABOUT, UM, I WOULD SAY MAYBE EIGHT FEET
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FURTHER THAN MAY.WHAT MAY NOT MAY BE NECESSARY BECAUSE, UH, THERE IS A, UM, THE, THE LINE SLOPES DOES NOT NECESSARY SLOPES TOWARDS THE HOUSE.
SO MAYBE THE INTERCEPT, INTERCEPTED SWELL WILL NOT BE REQUIRED OR NOT THAT WIDE OR SOME OF THE FIELD CONDITION, BUT CONSERVATIVELY, THAT'S WHY WE SHOWED THE AREA HERE.
I, I PERSONALLY FEEL, AND THAT THE NEWLY CREATED SLOPE CAN PROVIDE OPPORTUNITY FOR ROCK GARDEN LANDSCAPING AND CAN CREATE A PLEASANT ENVIRONMENT.
AND, UH, I PUT SOME, SOME INTERNAL PICTURES AND UM, SURE IT WOULD LOOK NICE AND IT WOULD BE MORE PLEASANT THAN JUST, UH, ENCLOSED SPACE WITH THE, OKAY.
SO IN SUMMARY, THIS, UH, SUMMARY SHOWS, UM, KIND OF, UM, COMPARISON OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED NOW AND WHAT THE CURRENT PERMIT BE.
SO THE AREA REDUCTION FOR STEEP THROATS BETWEEN THOSE TWO PERMITS IS, THE DIFFERENCE IS 42 SQUARE FEET, UM, WHERE LOWER BY 42 SQUARE FEET, THE BUILDABLE LOT AREA IS LARGER BY 39 SQUARE FEET.
THE BUILDING COVERAGE IS BASICALLY IDENTICAL.
UM, IN PREVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE IS SLIGHTLY LESS DUE TO, UH, DIFFERENT TREATMENT OF THE, UM, OPEN SPACE BEHIND THE HOUSE.
UM, WE ARE WITHIN THE MAXIMUM GROSS FLOOR AREA RATIO, AND THERE WAS NONE INDICATED ON THE CURRENT PERMIT FRONT YARD, THEY ARE 25, 26 FEET, EVERYTHING VERY SIMILAR.
YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, REAR YARDS AND BACK, WHICH WHERE I WAS SAYING THAT THE FACE OF THE BUILDING IN THE REAR IS IDENTICAL.
THEY ARE WITHIN HALF A FOOT OF EACH OTHER BUILDING HEIGHT.
UM, WE ARE SHOWING, UM, TO BE 1.4 FEET HIGHER.
UM, THE STORIES, UH, NUMBER OF TREES TO BE REMOVED.
WE HAVE 19, THE PROPOSAL WAS 18.
UM, THE, UM, ONE TREE WE ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE EXTRA.
I, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT IT'S, UH, MOSTLY FOR SAFETY REASONS BECAUSE, UH, IT IS, UH, SITTING ON THE TOP OF THE HILL AND, UH, IT'S NOT IN MY OPINION, GREATEST SHAPE.
AND, UH, I WOULD BE WORRIED THAT, UH, IT COULD, UH, LEAN TOWARDS THE HOUSE EVENTUALLY.
UM, WE HAVE 15 TREES TO BE PLANTED.
THERE WERE 17 PROPOSED BEFORE.
UM, WE ARE COMPLYING WITH THE, UM, UH, GREENBERG TREE ORDINANCES AS FAR AS CUT ON VOLUME.
THE CHART SHOULD BE A POSITIVE, NOT A NEGATIVE.
IT'S 55 MORE, NOT 55, LESS NO CUT VALUE.
UH, HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? YEAH, I'M, I'M SORRY, 55 MORE? NO, FOR UM, CUT VALUE.
I'M SORRY, FOR SHOW VOLUME, WE ARE 44 MORE, BUT THE BALANCE TO BE EXPORTED FROM THE SITE AND THE SAME THING THAT SHOULD BE, PLUS THEY ALL SHOULD BE RIGHT.
YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M, I'M, I APOLOGIZE.
I BELIEVE I SWITCH THE APPLICATIONS.
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OOPS, SORRY.SHOULD I GO BACK TO THE TABLE? WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO BACK? NO, THERE'S WAIVERS INVOLVED IN THIS APPLICATION.
WELL, UM, SINCE THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY IS SO SIMILAR TO THE ACTIVE PERMIT OF STEEP CELL PERMITS AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR THE WAIVER FROM THE, THE REQUIREMENT OF PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE IN THE ACTIVE PERMIT IS, IT IS AN OPTION THAT IF THERE IS A, UH, CHANGE IN DISTURBANCE AREA, THE THE PERMIT HOLDER HAS TO COME TO THE, UM, UM, OKAY PLANNING BOARD FOR, FOR, UM, REVIEW.
AND THAT THE CHANGE IS NOT, UM, CONSIDERED TO BE EXTREME THEN, UM, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION DOES NOT HAVE TO HAPPEN.
UH, SO BASED ON THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE WERE HOPING TO, UH, YOU MAY CONSIDER.
AND THEN, UH, WE GOT, UH, COMMON PLEASURES FROM, UM, VARIOUS, UM, DEPARTMENTS.
AND ONE OF THE COMMENT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, TO TEST, UH, FIRE HYDRANTS IN SOUTH HILLY AVENUE.
UM, AND UM, WE FEEL THAT, UM, FOR THE ADE OF THE FLOW AND UM, WE FEEL THAT DUE TO THE PROJECT SIZE THAT REALLY, THAT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE OTHER.
I I CAN JUMP IN ON THAT VERY QUICKLY, UH, JUST TO INDICATE THAT THAT'S A, UH, A STANDARD REQUEST FROM THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT.
HOWEVER, HOW WE'VE HANDLED THIS IN THE PAST IS JUST THAT THE APPLICANT COORDINATES THE FLOW TEST, UH, THROUGH THE TOWN'S WATER AND SEWER DEPARTMENT SO THAT YOU WOULD GO AHEAD AND REQUEST THAT OUR WATER AND WATER DEPARTMENT CONDUCT THAT FLOW TEST AND THEN THEY WOULD CONDUCT THE TEST AND THE RESULTS WOULD BE FORWARDED TO THE TOWN SO THAT IT COULD BE FORWARDED TO THE FIRE DISTRICT.
SO, UH, IT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING WHERE THE APPLICANT WOULD ACTUALLY BE PERFORMING THAT TEST.
UM, JUST REQUESTING IT THROUGH THE WATER DEPARTMENT, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE.
UH, NUMBER ONE, UH, THERE'S TWO THINGS I DON'T KNOW IF, AND I'LL, I'LL REFER TO THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER AND OUR ATTORNEY WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE MISSED THE CASE.
UH, THE LEGAL RIGHT TO, UH, ELIMINATE A PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT'S THE ONE WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN LEGALLY DO IT.
AND THE SECOND ONE IS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO DO IT.
SO COULD IT I CAN, I CAN ADDRESS THAT.
THE FEW TIMES THAT WE WOULD DO THAT HAS BEEN WHERE WE'VE HAD THE SAME APPLICANT AND THEY HAVE RECONSIDERED, UM, YOU KNOW, MADE A A, A MINOR RECONSIDERATION OR SOMETHING HAPPENS OUT IN THE FIELD THAT REQUIRES, UH, THEM TO EXTEND, UM, THE AREA.
THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A DIFFERENT PLAN.
UM, AND WE CAN TALK WITH AARON FOR THE TIMING OF THIS AS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN GET THIS OUT FOR PUBLIC HEARING RATHER QUICKLY.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT IT, UH, BECAUSE OF THE, UM, TYPE OF CHANGE, UH, THAT'S BEING DONE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A SUBSTANTIAL, UH, AMOUNT OF CHANGE, UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND.
UH, BUT I THINK AS I SAID, THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THIS ON QUICKLY FOR PUBLIC HEARING SO IT WON'T HAVE A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON THE APPLICANT.
AND, AND MY POSITION WAS I'M GLAD YOU GOT, I GOT THAT LEGAL INTERPRETATION, BUT EVEN IF WE HAD THE RIGHT TO LEGALLY DO IT, I'M NOT INCLINED TO DO IT.
SO, AND SO I I WOULD AGREE THAT, UH, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD NOT DO AND, UH, SET IT OFF FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
I WELCOME ANY COMMENTS FROM OTHER BOARD MEMBERS IN THIS REGARD.
I, I AGREE WITH, I AGREE WITH YOU.
I THINK IT'S WORTH THE ONE, A PUBLIC HEARING.
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UH, I, I DID, I DID GO BY THIS, THE SITE AND UH, AND I DIDN'T WALK THE SITE AND, UH, I THINK THIS APPLICATION IS SUBSTANTIALLY BETTER IN THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION YOU DID NOT HAVE, THERE'S IS A SUBSTANTIAL FLAT AREA IN THE BACK.DO YOU KNOW THE DEPTH OF THAT FLAT AREA? IT'S ABOUT, UH, 35 FEET, UH, IS ONE OF THE RIGHT, IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL FLAT AREA, UH, UP ON TOP.
AND IN FACT THREE OTHER HOUSES TO, TO THE RIGHT OF THAT PROPERTY SITS ON THAT SAME ROUGH FORMATION.
AND IN EACH CASE THEY HAVE DONE THE SAME THING.
THEY HAVE A STAIRCASE UP TO THE TOP BECAUSE THERE'S A LARGE FLAT AREA UP THERE.
SO, UH, SO IT MAKES ABSOLUTE SENSE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT BACK PORTION BECAUSE THAT'S THE MAJOR PORTION OF THE BACKYARD IS UP ON TOP.
SO I THINK IT IS A, A IS A MAJOR IMPROVEMENT AND THE FACT THAT THE THREE HOUSES WRECK RIGHT NEXT TO YOU HAVE DONE EXACTLY THE SAME THING.
SO IT IS IN CONFORMITY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THAT'S MY ASSESSMENT OF THE VISIT I MADE TO THE PROPERTY.
ANY, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS? YEAH, I JUST WANNA COMMEND MS. LEFT FOR THE EXCELLENT GRAPHICS THAT WERE VERY DETAILED AND THOROUGH SO THAT WE COULD REALLY UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING.
I DON'T THINK I'VE SEEN A PROJECT THAT WELL PUT TOGETHER AND ESPECIALLY ON ZOOM, IT WAS VERY HELPFUL.
YOU WENT THROUGH A LOT OF TROUBLE.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO ECHO THOSE COMMENTS.
I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING AS I WAS LISTENING TO IS VERY COMPREHENSIVE.
WE SEE THINGS AS IN, IN GREAT DETAIL AND YOU WENT THROUGH IT PIECE BY PIECE.
IT'S CLEAR THAT YOU THOUGHT OUT VERY WELL, UM, WHY YOU'RE DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND EXPLAIN THAT VERY, VERY WELL.
I NEED TO CRUTCH, MY CRUTCH CREATED A NEW BENCHMARK FOR EVERYBODY ELSE THAT HAS TO PRESENT ON THE BOARD.
YOU SEE, AND SO FOR THOSE BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT ON THE BOARD, THAT I THINK YOUR EXPLANATION GAVE THEM EXCELLENT BACKGROUND OF THE PROJECT AND THEY HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROJECTS.
I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
WITH THAT DONE, UH, SAID WE HAVE TO JUST GET, UH, UH, THE WATER TESTING IN PLACE.
SO I SEE NO REASON WHY THAT COULD THAT BE DONE FOR THE NEXT, FOR THE, UH, APRIL 1ST MEETING? IF SO, UH, UH, I'LL PUT THAT ON.
SO, SO CHAIRPERSON TIME AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THE FLOW TEST, UM, TYPICALLY WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD DO IS CONDITION THAT AS PART OF ANY DECISION ON THE PROJECT BECAUSE IF THE PROJECT WERE TO NOT MOVE FORWARD, THEN UM, IT WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO COORDINATE.
WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST ON, ON A NUMBER OF PROJECTS.
SO WE WOULD JUST INCLUDE IT AS ANY CONDITION OF A DECISION AND THEN THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO CARRY OUT, UM, CONTACTING THE WATER DEPARTMENT AHEAD OF PULLING ANY BUILDING PERMIT.
SO THAT'S HOW I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU DO IT IN THIS CASE.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO A PUBLIC HEARING DATE, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND MARCH 17TH, TWO WEEKS FROM THIS EVENING.
WE DON'T HAVE MANY ITEMS ON THAT AGENDA, AND STAFF WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO PREPARE THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE AND GET IT TO THE APPLICANT TOMORROW.
SO WE'LL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR MARCH 17TH.
TWO WEEKS FROM, UH, THIS EVENING.
IT'LL MAKE SE THE SECRET DETERMINATION, AARON, AT THAT MEETING.
THE PROJECT DOES QUALIFY THE SITE TWO, SO WE'LL DO THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU IN OUR NEXT MEETING.
ALL THE HELP I GOT FROM COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT AND, UH, DON'T GIVE HIM TOO MUCH CREDIT.
A A LOT OF PRESENTATIONS AND THEY DON'T, DIDN'T COME OUT LIKE YOURS, SO NO.
HE, HE WAS, HE WAS ALSO WONDERFUL.
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OKAY.