[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, April 7, 2021 – 5:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 8:00 p.m. ]
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UH, GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO, UH, THE APRIL 7TH, UH, 2021 MEETING OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
I'LL ASK, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT TO CALL THE ROLL CALL SHERIFF PERSON.
NOTE THAT, UH, BOARD MEMBERS HUGH SCHWARTZ AND JOHAN SNAGS ARE, ARE NOT WITH US AT THIS TIME.
NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
UH, FIRST WE'D LIKE TO, UH, GO BACK TO, UH, THE MINUTES OF NOVEMBER THE FOURTH.
UH, WE HAD, UH, UH, YOU GOT IN FRONT OF YOU A, UH, A, UH, CORRECTION OR A MODIFICATION OF THE MINUTES.
UH, THE ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN BR BROUGHT BEFORE, UH, UH, US AT THE, THAT WITH HUGH SCHWARTZ, MYSELF AT THE ZONING AND, UH, UH, APPEALS BOARD IS THE DEFINITION OF SOME WORDING.
AND, AND THE ISSUE RESOLVES AROUND WHEN DO WE HAVE OFFICIAL NOTIFICATION OF THE BUILDING'S, INSPECTOR'S INTERPRETATION OF THE, OF THE SPECIAL PERMIT LAW AS IT APPLIES TO THIS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IN THE MINUTES IT INDICATED THAT I ASKED FOR CONFIRMATION AND, UH, TO THE Z B A, THE INFERENCE WAS IF I ASKED FOR CONFIRMATION, I REALLY KNEW WHAT THE INFORMATION WAS, BUT I WAS JUST ASKING FOR THAT INFORMATION TO BE CONFIRMED.
SO WE WENT BACK TO THE TAPE, WE REVIEWED THE TAPE, AND SURE ENOUGH, I DID NOT SAY CONFIRM.
I SAID WE NEEDED CLARIFICATION, AND THAT'S A BIG DIFFERENCE.
CLARIFICATION IMPLIES THAT I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS, AND I WANTED TO BE CLARIFIED SO THAT, UH, SO WE HAVE THAT CLARIFICATION.
AND THEN IN THERE, THERE WAS A STATEMENT BY HUGH REGARDING, UH, A VERBAL CONVERSATION BETWEEN AARON AND, AND, AND GARRETT, WHERE, UH, UH, IT WAS VERBAL THAT AARON INDICATED THAT, UH, HE SPOKE TO GARRETT, AND HE BELIEVES THAT BASICALLY IT WAS VERBAL COMMUNICATION, NOTHING IN WRITING, SO IT WASN'T AN OFFICIAL COMMUNICATION.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR.
IT WAS SOMETHING THAT, UH, REFERRED TO US BY A CONVERSATION THAT GAR, UH, AARON HAD WITH GARRETT.
AND SO IT IS REALLY LIKE HEARSAY INFORMATION, NOT OFFICIAL INFORMATION.
SO WE WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT IN A MINUTE.
SO, SO WALTER, ARE YOU SAYING THAT WHAT'S REFLECTED HERE NOW IS VERBATIM FROM THE TAPE? YES.
SO IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE THREE AND, UH, AND, UH, AND THE, YOU SEE THE CORRECTIONS THAT THIS HAS COME, THIS COMES DIRECTLY FROM, UH, UH, REVIEWING THE TAPE.
UH, DAVID REVIEWED THE TAPE, AND, AND THIS IS WHAT, UH, WE SAY THIS REFLECTS WHAT WAS ACTUALLY SAID AT THE MEETING AFTER REVIEW.
LET ME, LET ME CLARIFY, UH, LET, LET ME RESPOND DIRECTLY, UH, TO TOM'S QUESTION.
IT'S NOT A, UM, IT'S NOT A QUOTE.
HOWEVER, THE WORDS THAT WERE USED WERE CLARIFICATION, NOT CONFIRMATION.
UH, THE REFERENCE THAT MR. SCHWARTZ ASKED THE OPINION, UM, AND THAT MR. SCHMIDT REPLIED THAT HE WOULD CHECK WHILE MIGHT, MAY NOT BE A DIRECT QUOTE, IS MUCH MORE ACCURATE THAN THE SUMMARY THAT WAS INITIALLY DONE.
AND BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THAT WAS, THERE WAS A QUESTION AS TO, WITH SPECIFICALLY WITH THIS PARAGRAPH, UH, AT THE Z B A, WE WENT BACK, UM, AND WE INITIATED A REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ACCURATE.
AND THIS IS, UM, SUBSTANTIALLY, UH, MORE ACCURATE THAN, UH, THAN THE SUMMARY THAT WE HAD BEFORE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, ON THAT? YEAH, I, UH, I THINK DAVID, UH, DOES THAT, OR, OR
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IT'S, OR, UH, WALTER, DOES THIS HAVE ANY IMPACT THE LATER THAT WE SEND IT TO, UH, TOWN BOARD OR ZONING BOARD? YEAH.ONCE, ONCE IF, IF WE APPROVE AMENDING THE MINUTES, THAT WILL BE TRANSMITTED TO THE Z B A.
BUT NO, MY QUESTION WAS THAT DOES THIS CHANGES, HAS ANY SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT ON THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS OR THE QUESTIONS THAT WE OH, IT COULD, IT COULD.
I THINK WHAT HE'S, WHAT WHAT NOT ASKING IS WHETHER THIS CHANGES THE RECOMMENDATIONS THE PLANNING BOARD MADE.
AND I THINK THE ANSWER, I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THE ANSWER.
I MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION.
NO, ACTUALLY, JUST TO BE FAIR, UH, WHAT IT DOEST, IT, IT ACTUALLY EXPRESSES BETTER WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD DID.
UH, MR. YEAH, MR. MARRON, UH, WE GOTTA CHECK YOUR AUDIO.
I THINK, UH, AARON MAY HAVE PUT YOU, UH, NOW, OR SOMEONE MAY HAVE MUTED YOU.
YOU SEEM TO HAVE REVERB WHEN, UH, WHEN YOU, UH, TAKE YOUR MIC OFF.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE AMENDMENTS? IF, IF THERE'S NOT, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AMEND THE ONE QUESTION.
SO THIS IS FOR CLARIFICATION FOR THE Z B A IN ORDER TO HELP THEM WITH THEIR DECISION PROCESS.
AM I CORRECT? THIS IS A PART OF IT, YES.
SO THE INFORMATION THAT THEY ARE REVIEWING IS ACCURATE.
THEY REVOLVE, THEY SPEND A LOT OF TIME SPENDING REVOLVING AROUND THE WORD CONFIRMATION THAT BROUGHT, UM, SEVERAL OF US TO GO BACK AND SAY, WELL, DID WE EVER REQUEST CONFIRMATION, THE PLANNING BOARD? AND THAT WAS NEVER THE CASE.
SO THAT CLA SO WE CLARIFYING THE LANGUAGE, WHICH WAS CLARIFICATION.
I MOVE, WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS AMENDED.
AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THAT IS FOR THE NOVEMBER 4TH, 2020 EAGLE ENERGY STORAGE CASE PB 2008 PB, UH, 2018.
JUST CLARIFICATION, MR. ANG JOINING US.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR THAT I JUST WANTED TO ANNOUNCE THAT MR. SNAG HAS JUST JOINED US.
SO JUST DAVID, ADD THAT CLARIFICATION.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS INCLUDED IN OUR VOTE.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF, UH, THE AMENDMENT AS CLARIFIED BY DAVID, PLEASE INDICATE AYE.
SO HE, HE'S JOINED US IF HE WANTS TO JOIN US.
THIS WAS FOR THE REVISIONS TO THE NOVEMBER 4TH MINUTES RELATING TO EAGLE ENERGY IF YOU WERE, UH, IF YOU WISH TO VOTE ON THAT AS WELL.
THEY WERE PROVIDED IN THE PACKAGES, THEY WERE RED LINED AND, AND WITH STRIKE THROUGH AS WELL.
THE CHAIR HAS ASKED, UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, IF WE COULD JUST HAVE EVERYONE RAISE YOUR HAND SO THAT WE CAN, I THINK WE HAVE THOMAS HAY.
WE'VE GOT MONA, WE'VE GOT IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT.
MICHAEL, HOW ABOUT YOU? MICHAEL IS SECONDED.
MICHAEL, ARE YOU IN, IN VOTING IN FAVOR? MICHAEL, CAN YOU HEAR US? I DON'T THINK HE CAN.
MICHAEL, ARE YOU INVO, ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF THE VOTE VOTING? YES.
OKAY, NOW LET'S GO ON TO THE, UH, TO, UH, LAST THE MINUTES OF MARCH SEVEN, THE MINUTES OF MARCH 17TH.
UM, I, UH, I THINK, I THINK THERE WAS ONE POINT, IF YOU GO TO, UH, D AT THE END OF THE PARAGRAPH, IT SAID, MR. SCHWARTZ ADDED THAT THIS ALLOWED SAFETY ISSUES,
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AND I THOUGHT THAT YOU ADDED SOME OTHER WORDS.AND I, UH, ASKED AARON TO CHECK WITH, UH, HUGH SINCE HE WOULD NOT BE HERE THIS EVENING.
AND DID YOU, YOU CHECKED WITH HIM OR WHAT ADDITION DID, UH, IF ANY, DID YOU WANTED TO ADD? YEAH, SO I DID CHECK WITH MR. SCHWARTZ AND, UH, WE HAD MATT BRITTON TAKE A LOOK AT THE TAPE AND THE SENTENCE WILL NOW READ, MR. SCHWARTZ ADDED THAT THIS ALLOWED SAFETY ISSUES SUCH AS FIREFIGHTER TRAINING, PROPER EQUIPMENT AND FACILITY LOCATIONS TO BE ADDRESSED BETTER AT THE LOCAL LEVEL.
I REVIEWED THAT WITH MR. SCHWARTZ AND HE AGREED ON THE REVISION, AND THAT MORE ACCURATELY REFLECTS WHAT WAS STATED AT THE MEETING.
AND THAT'S THREE D, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT IS, UH, THREE D ON PAGE TWO.
THERE WAS ONE OTHER CORRECTION THAT WE HAVE ON PAGE FOUR, ITEM C PB 1412 SOLANO SUBDIVISION.
THE FIRST PARAGRAPH, FIRST SENTENCE ON LINE TWO FOLLOWING THE COMMA, IT STATES CHAIRPERSON STEINMAN STATED THAT THE FINAL SUBDIVISION PLATT, IS THE SAME AS THE APPROVED PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLATT, FOR CHANGING THE WORD STATED TO REPORTED.
THOSE WERE THE TWO CORRECTIONS THAT I HAD FOR A MINUTE.
AND, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S, UH, IMPORTANT THAT, UH, I DID NOT MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
I RELIED ON DEPUTY SCHMIDT TO CONFIRM THAT NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
SO, UH, SO THAT'S WHY THAT DISTINCTION AND WORDING, UH, UH, WAS NECESSARY.
BUT ANY OTHER CORRECTION TO THE MINUTES? IF NOT, I ENTERTAIN A PROPOSAL TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS COR AS THE CORRECTED.
DID WE HAVE A SECOND? DID WE HAVE A SECOND? I'M SORRY.
PARDON ME? DID WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND HONOR.
SO THE NEXT THING ON OUR AGENDA IS CORRESPONDENCE.
AND THE FIRST ONE IS FOR, UH, FIVE 70 FAXER ROAD IN GREENBURG.
AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR A 90 DAY EXTENSION, WHICH IS THE ONLY THING THAT IS ALLOWED ON A, UM, ON, ON A SUBDIVISION.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING.
UH, THIS, THE, THE APPLICATION THAT'S WITHIN IS IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.
AND WE KNOW TRADITIONALLY IT TAKES A LONG TIME, THEY GET THESE THING APPROVED AND, AND IT HAS BEEN OUR POSITION IN THE PAST.
IF THE APPLICANT HAS DONE EVERYTHING AND IT'S BEING HELD UP BY WESTCHESTER COUNTY, THEN WE WOULD, UH, GRANT, UH, GRANT THE EXTENSION.
UH, ANYONE HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH US GOING FORTH ON THIS, UH, GRANTING THE, THE 90 DAY EXTENSION? IF NOT, I MAKE A PROPOSAL THAT WE EXTEND, UM, THE PERMIT FOR THE SUBDIVISION PERMIT, 90 DAYS SECOND.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, THAT'S CASE NUMBER PV 19 DASH 12.
AND WE WILL FORWARD A COPY OF THE, UH, APPROVAL OF THE EXTENSION OFF TO THE APPLICANT'S TEAM.
THANK YOU, MR. THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS, IS PV 2026.
SO AS CHAIRPERSON SIMON STATED, NEXT CASE IS PV 2026 CO AND GH LOCATED AT THREE 40 SOUTH LY AVENUE PO.
SCARSDALE IN THE R TEN ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING.
DISTRICT PLANNING BOARD WILL BE CONSIDERING A DECISION ON THE APPLICANT'S, UH, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATIONS INVOLVING THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH AN AN ATTACHED TWO CAR GARAGE, FRONT AND REAR STAIRWAYS, A DECK AND RETAINING WALL, ALONG WITH RELATED AND IMPROVEMENT THIS PROPERTY VIA A PRIOR OWNER
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APPLICANT CAR SEAT.PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT FROM A PLANNING BOARD FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE UNDER CASE NUMBER PD 1714, WHICH WAS APPROVED ON DECEMBER 6TH, 2018.
AND WHICH HAS BEEN EXTENDED ONCE AND REMAINS VALID.
THIS CURRENT APPLICATION INCREASES THE AREA OF DISTURBANCE IN THE REAR YARD FROM WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
PLANNING BOARD CONDUCTED A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER DURING ITS MARCH 17TH MEETING.
NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED SINCE THE PUBLIC HEARING HELD.
THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A MODIFIED PLAN, WHICH INCLUDES A MODIFIED LIMITED DISTURBANCE TO PROTECT THE NORTHERLY NEIGHBORS FOR CYNTHIA HEDGEROW.
A DRAFT DECISION HAS BEEN PREPARED FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I DID, I DID WANNA BRING TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION, UH, JUST ONE SPECIFIC CONDITION, AND THAT'S CONDITION 4.18 ON PAGE SEVEN.
IT RELATES TO PROVIDING A FIVE FOOT, NO DISTURBANCE BUFFER ALONG THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE NORTHERLY PROPERTY LINE DURING THE ENTIRE COURSE OF CONSTRUCTION RELATED ACTIVITIES, UH, TO ENSURE THAT NO DAMAGE OCCURS TO THE OFFSITE FOR CYNTHIA HEADROW.
SO WE WANTED TO JUST BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S MORE OR LESS THE STANDARD CONDITIONS THAT APPLY TO STEEP SLOPE PERMITS AND TREE REMOVAL PERMITS.
AND, UH, THAT PROVISION 4.18 THAT WAS, UH, RAISED BY THE NEXTDOOR NEIGHBOR, AND WE FELT THAT THE CONCERNS OF THE NEXTDOOR NEIGHBOR WAS VALID, AND THIS IS HOW THAT WAS ADDRESSED.
ARE ANY OTHER, PARDON? I'M SORRY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IN REGARD TO THIS APPLICATION? UH, THIS APPROVAL? OKAY, IF NOT, THERE, THERE ARE THREE VOTES WE HAVE TO TAKE ON THIS.
THE SEEKER STEEP SLOPE AND TREE PERMIT.
UH, UM, THIS, UH, MAKE A PROPOSAL THAT THIS, UH, UM, APPROVAL FALLS IN, UH, LINE WITH THE SEEKER AS A TYPE ONE, UH, TYPE TWO.
UH, THE OTHER VOTE WE HAVE TO TAKE ON THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
AND THE LAST ONE IS THE TREE REMOVAL.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE TREE REMOVAL PERMITS.
IT'S P B OH FOUR DASH 33 BTO SUBDIVISION.
SO, UM, OTTO, I'LL, I'LL, I HAVE A BRIEF INTRO CHAIRPERSON SIMON, I CAN READ THROUGH.
JUST BRING THE BOARD MEMBERS IN PUBLIC UP TO DATE.
SO AS CHAIRPERSON SIMON MENTIONED CASE NUMBER PB OH FOUR DASH 33 BOTTLE AUTO SUBDIVISION AND STEEP SLOPE PERMIT LOCATED ALONG SPRINGWOOD AVENUE IN THE R 7.51 FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT PLANNING BOARD WILL BE CONSIDERING A NINTH EXTENSION REQUEST TO THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPROVAL FOR A PROJECT WHICH WAS APPROVED TO SUBDIVIDE FOUR EXISTING LOTS IN ORDER TO CREATE ONE NEW LOT FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONSTRUCTING ONE NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH A DRIVEWAY CONNECTION TO THE CORNER OF SPRINGWOOD AVENUE AND CHESTNUT AVENUE.
THE INITIAL PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT WAS GRANTED ON APRIL 21ST, 2011.
THE PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT IS CURRENTLY SET TO EXPIRE ON APRIL 5TH, SO THAT IT ACTUALLY EXPIRED TWO DAYS AGO ON APRIL 5TH, ALTHOUGH THE REQUEST FOR AN EXTENSION CAME IN PRIOR TO THAT EXPIRATION, THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT EXTENSION OF 180 DAYS, IF GRANTED, WOULD KEEP THE PROJECT VALID THROUGH OCTOBER 2ND, 2021.
UH, THE OWNER IS HERE THIS EVENING TO PROVIDE GREATER DETAIL, UH, WITH RESPECT TO ITS REQUEST AND ANSWER
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ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE.SO WE, WE HAVE MR. ROBERT BOTTO HERE THIS EVENING.
YEAH, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD THE LAST TIME WE GAVE AN EXTENSION, IT WAS A VOTE OF THE BOARD THAT, THAT IT WAS ABSOLUTELY THE LAST EXTENSION.
UH, BEFORE DISMISSING THIS, I FELT IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME IN AND TO EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD WHY THIS BOARD SHOULD PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL EXTENSION.
SO, WALTER, I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
UM, DO WE HAVE THE TEXT OF OUR LAST VOTE SAYING THAT IT'S THE LAST EXTENSION? YES.
UM, IN THE MATERIALS THAT WERE, UM, PROVIDED TO THE BOARD IN THE PACKAGE, UM, WHICH WAS DATED, THE MINUTES WERE, UM, DATED MARCH 4TH, AND THE DECISION WAS DATED MARCH 5TH, 2020.
IT DOES STATE IN THE DECISION THAT THE PLANNING BOARD INDICATED THIS IS THE FINAL EXTENSION IT INTENDS TO PROVIDE WITH RESPECT TO YOUR PROJECT.
SO THAT WAS CERTAINLY SOMETHING DISCUSSED.
WHAT DATE WAS THAT? THE MINUTES WERE MARCH 4TH, 2020.
THE DECISION WAS DATED MARCH 5TH, THE FOLLOWING.
SO, SO, SO THAT WAS A YEAR AGO AND THE INITIAL APPROVAL WAS 10 YEARS AGO.
IN ADDITION, IN LOOKING AT THE MINUTES FROM MARCH 4TH, WHEN WE SAID, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN THE SEVENTH EXTENSION WAS GRANTED, THE BOARD NOTED IT LIKELY WOULD BE ONLY COMFORTABLE CONSIDERING ONE ADDITIONAL ONE YEAR EXTENSION.
WE GAVE THE EIGHTH, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALREADY KIND OF SHORTENING THE WINDOW BACK THEN.
IS THAT CORRECT, AARON? THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
UM, AND I DO, I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT, UH, AS I SAID, MR. BOT'S HERE.
YEAH, HE, UM, I'D LIKE TO GIVE HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
HE DID PUT TOGETHER A COVER LETTER AND I CAN CONFIRM THAT CERTAIN ADMINISTRATIVE PERMITS ASSOCIATED WITH CARRYING OUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROJECT HAVE BEEN OBTAINED.
AND HE WAS WORKING THROUGH THOSE BACK IN EARLY 2020 BEFORE COVID HIT.
UM, SO I CAN LET HIM WELL, YEAH, I'D LIKE FOR HIM TO GO THROUGH IT.
I THINK OUR DISCUSSION SO FAR WAS JUST TO GIVE THE BACKGROUND, SO THAT'S WHY ABSOLUTELY.
I THOUGHT IT WAS NECESSARY TO GIVE THE BACKGROUND AND OUR PREVIOUS DECISIONS.
AND SO THE, THE, THE QUESTION STILL REMAINS, MY OR ORIGINAL QUESTION STILL REMAINS, UH, WHAT IS IT THAT MR. ALTO BATO CAN OFFER THIS BOARD TO CONVINCE THE BOARD TO PROVIDE HIM WITH ANOTHER EXTENSION? SO I WOULD LET MR. BATO EXPLAIN THAT TO THE BOARD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME THIS EVENING.
UH, AS MR. SCHMIDT HAD SAID, BACK IN JANUARY OF 2020, I MET WITH MR. SCHMIDT AND MR. ZACH CONCERNING MY BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION.
AND I LEARNED THAT AT THAT TIME I NEEDED A, A STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PERMIT.
AND, UH, SOON AFTER OUR MEETING, UH, COVID HIT MY, UH, ENGINEER'S OFFICE WAS CLOSED.
MY BUSINESS WAS CLOSED FOR THREE MONTHS.
IT TOOK MOST OF THE YEAR, BUT I DID RECEIVE THE STORM MANAGEMENT PERMIT FROM THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
I HAD SOME HEALTH ISSUES IN 2020 AND 2021, I, UH, TORE MY RO SHOULDER, MY ROTATOR CUFF.
I TORE MY BICEP TENDON COMPLETELY OFF IN SEPTEMBER.
ALSO, I HAD AN ARTHRITIC KNEE, WHICH IS VERY PAINFUL AND DIFFICULT TO WALK.
IN JANUARY OF 2021, I HAD A KNEE REPLACEMENT.
AND A FEW WEEKS AGO AT THE END OF FEBRUARY, I HAD A ROTATOR CUFF, UH, OPERATION.
I THOUGHT I HAD ALL MY PAPERWORK IN ORDER.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT NEW REGULATIONS WERE PASSED IN 2020 AND I NEEDED TO UPDATE MY HOUSE PLANS.
IT'S A MODULAR HOUSE AND HAS TO GO THROUGH THE MODULAR FACTORY.
I WON'T BE ABLE TO GET THAT FOR WEEKS.
I WISH I HAD SUBMITTED THE, UH, BUILDING APPLICATION EARLIER AND LEARNED THAT MY PAPERWORK WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, UP TO DATE.
BUT I WAS PREOCCUPIED WITH MY HEALTH ISSUES.
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THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT MY DIFFICULTY IS.I HAD, I HAVE A VERY, UH, DESIRE AND WISH TO BUILD THE HOUSE BEFORE THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT EXTENSION EXPIRED.
UM, LOOK, I, I, MR. BAR, I DON'T, I'M SORRY ABOUT YOUR HEALTH ISSUES.
AND I, ROTATOR CUFF, I KNOW WAS A PAINFUL SITUATION, BUT, UM, ARE YOU THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY? YES, SIR.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ROLE IN THE DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS ENGINEER OR CONTRACTOR, OR ARE YOU JUST THE OWNER? I WOULD ALSO BE THE CONTRACTOR BUILDING THE HOUSE.
UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU COULD REFRESH US ON WHY IT, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T BUILT OR DEVELOPED FURTHER IN THE PRECEDING NINE YEARS, BECAUSE I WOULD'VE ASSUMED YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN YOU NEEDED A STORMWATER PERMIT BEFORE NOW, BUT I DON'T RECALL THE SEQUENCE OF EVENTS.
IF YOU COULD JUST KIND OF REFRESH US.
WELL, WHEN I ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED THE PLANS, UM, YEAH, THERE WAS NO SUCH THING THAT I NEEDED, BUT IT WAS JUST A FINANCIAL THING.
ME PERSONALLY, UM, THE, THE, UM, RECESSION AT THE TIME, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR SEVERAL YEARS IT WAS BAD FOR MY BUSINESS AND JUST TRYING TO GET MY AFFAIRS IN ORDER, WHICH I DID TAKE STEPS TO DO THAT.
I ACTUALLY SOLD MY HOUSE IN NOVEMBER OF 2019, AND I MET WITH MR. SMITH AND MR. ZACH IN JANUARY OF 2020.
I WAS GETTING ALL MY AFFAIRS IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO FINANCE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOUSE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, IS VERY EXPENSIVE.
AND THAT, THAT'S BASICALLY IT.
PERSONAL FINANCES, TRYING TO GET IT TOGETHER.
SO I GUESS ONE, ONE MORE QUESTION, WHICH IS ASSUMING YOU GET THE EXTENSION, YOU KNOW, HOW CONFIDENT ARE YOU THAT YOU CAN PROCEED GIVEN ALL THE, YOU KNOW, YOUR HEALTH SITUATION, FINANCIAL SITUATION? BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO BE HERE AGAIN, YOU KNOW,
I I CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA BE HERE AGAIN EITHER, BUT YEAH, I JUST NEED THE, THE PLANS UPDATED AND I'M GOING TO BE SUBMITTING A BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION.
ARE, ARE THEY, IS THE, IS THE MODULAR COMPANY ACTIVELY WORKING ON THE UPDATE TO THE DRAWINGS? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S IN PROCESS OR SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO NEGOTIATE WITH THEM? IT'S SOMETHING THAT I SUBMITTED TO THEM, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY SAID SEVERAL WEEKS AND, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT CONFIDENT ON, YOU KNOW, THE TIME THAT THEY SAY IT'S GONNA BE READY, IT WILL BE READY.
AS YOU KNOW, THE WAY ALL THE OTHER THINGS HAVE BEEN DIFFICULT DEALING WITH COVID.
EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE TAKING MUCH LONGER.
BUT YES, I, I'M IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING THE PLANS UPDATED.
AND IS THAT WITH A LOCAL MODULAR COMPANY? NO, IT'S A PENNSYLVANIA MODULAR COMPANY.
I THINK MY, MY QUESTION IS THAT HOW, I MEAN SINCE THIS IS A NINTH EXTENSION, SO WHAT GUARANTEES, UH, WHAT TO TOM HAS ASKED QUESTION IS THAT WE, IF WE GIVE YOU THIS, WHAT ASSURANCE YOU CAN GIVE OR IS THERE ANY MECHANISM, DAVID OR AARON, THAT WE, WE MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE DON'T IN THE SAME PLACE NEXT YEAR? WELL, I THINK THAT, UH, THE LAST TIME YOU CERTAINLY INDICATED THAT IT WAS THE INTENTION OF THE BOARD FOR THAT TO BE POTENTIALLY THE LAST ONE.
UH, IF YOU WERE TO CONSIDER EXTENDING IT THIS TIME, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE, HE WOULD BE WELL AWARE IF THE BOARD DECIDED THAT IT WANTED THIS TO BE THE LAST EXTENSION, THAT THAT WOULD BE IT.
AND IF IT EXPIRED AFTER THAT, ALL LIKELIHOOD HE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK AND FILE AN ENTIRELY NEW STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATION AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS LIKE ANYONE WOULD THIS DAY, UH, SUBMITTING A NEW APPLICATION.
LOOK, I, I HAVE, I HAVE ONE THOUGHT ON THIS, AND REALLY IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, TO ME IT'S THE ONLY THING I, I WOULD GIVE THE APPLICANT A COVID PASS.
I MEAN, THE LAST TIME IT WAS APPROVED WAS MARCH OF 2020.
THAT'S JUST BEFORE COVID BLEW UP.
YOU KNOW, HE IS HAD HEALTH PROBLEMS, SO ON AND SO FORTH, BUT I ASSUME MR. DELTO IS NOT GONNA BE ACTUALLY OUT THERE WITH THE PICK AND SHOVEL.
UM, WE'LL TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, UM, I WOULD GIVE 'EM A ONE YEAR EXTENSION AND I WOULD MAKE THE MINUTES AND THE APPROVAL ABSOLUTELY CLEAR.
WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT ANOTHER EXTENSION.
WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT A, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PERMIT, PROBLEMS WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT,
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PROBLEMS WITH, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY OF WESTCHESTER OR SO ON AND SO FORTH.THIS IS A COVID PASS, AND FRANKLY, IT'S HARD TO SECOND GUESS PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WHO HAVE PROBLEMS, WHO HAVE HAD PROBLEMS THIS PAST YEAR.
UH, I THINK, UH, MICHAEL, MY PROBLEM IS THAT THE LAST, I DON'T KNOW, SIX TIMES, SEVEN TIMES WE'VE BEEN EXTENDING IT.
AND IS THERE ANY MECHANISM OR SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, UH, I MEAN IT'S, I, IT, IT JUST, UH, SOMETHING ELSE COMES UP AND I THINK WE SETTING UP A BAD, BAD, VERY BAD PRECEDENCE FOR PEOPLE WITH, UH, UH, DIFFERENT THINGS TO COME UP.
SECOND QUESTION IS THAT, UH, AARON, HOW MUCH ONEROUS IS TO COME BACK AND DO THAT? MAYBE, MAYBE SOME SORT OF A SHORT APPROVAL PROCESS THAT COULD BE HELPFUL.
BUT I I, I'M, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SETTING UP THE PRECEDENTS FOR ONE REASON OR OTHER.
AND THIS IS AN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, HOW MANY EXCUSES ARE REMAINING NOW.
I I, I HAVE
UH, UH, MAYBE I COULD, UH, COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S IN BETWEEN THAT WILL ADDRESS, UH, MICHAEL'S CONCERN ABOUT THIS BEING A HARDSHIP CASE BECAUSE OF THE COVID.
AND, AND THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE ORIGINAL PERMIT WAS ISSUED IN TWO 11 AND, AND, AND RATHER THAN TO GIVE A BLANKET EXTENSION, WE COULD DO SOMETHING, UH, WE COULD CHECK TO SEE IF IN THE LAST 10 YEARS THERE, FOR INSTANCE, THE TREE LAW.
AND THEN HE WOULD HAVE TO, WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE PERMITTING PROCESS AGAIN, BECAUSE IF WE DENY IT, THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO, START FROM SCRATCH.
BUT IF WE SAY, OKAY, WE WILL LOOK AT THIS APPLICATION, SEE IF THERE HAVE BEEN ANY CHANGES IN THAT, AND THEN INCORPORATE THAT SO THAT THE, LIKE I SAID, THE TREE LAW WILL HAVE TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THAT.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAVE MADE PART OF OUR, UH, APPROVAL FOR PROPERTIES ON NARROW STREET IS THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE A FLAGMAN, THEY HAVE TO CONTROL TRAFFIC DURING CONSTRUCTION.
NOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE STARTED PUTTING IN, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE TWO, THREE YEARS AGO.
SO HE, HE WOULD HAVE TO, HE HAVE TO UPDATE THAT.
AND THEN, UH, AARON TO SPEAK TO THE ENGINEERING IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE NOT MADE, UH, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, REQUIREMENTS IN THE DRAINAGE OR WHATEVER IN THE LAST 10 YEARS THAT IS NOT INCORPORATED IN THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.
SO I WOULD AGREE WITH MICHAEL THAT WE SHOULD GIVE IT A CON, UH, EXTENSION, BUT MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICABLE CRITERIA ARE UPDATED BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN 10 YEARS.
AND THEN, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, UH, AGAIN, I WOULD ALSO AGREE THAT WE PUT IN, UH, SUPER STRONG LANGUAGE THAT SAYS, AT IN NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL THIS BE EXTENDED.
AND, UH, AND SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, UH, THE BOARD SHOULD, UH, CONSIDER.
ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? YEAH, IT, AARON, REMIND ME, WASN'T THE ORIGINAL REQUEST FOR 180 DAYS THAT SIX MONTHS NOT AN ENTIRE YEAR? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO I AGREE WITH MICHAEL ABOUT, UH, COVID CONSIDERATION AND EXTENDING IT OUT FOR A FULL YEAR, AND THIS ACTUALLY BEING THE LAST TIME THAT, UH, WE WOULD CONSIDER AN EXTENSION.
CAN I, WHAT ABOUT UPDATING, MAKE, MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE CODES THAT'S IN THAT 10 YEAR, UH, UH, APPROVAL ARE UP TO DATE.
LIKE I GAVE AN EXAMPLE, LIKE THE TREE LAW, RIGHT? IT MAY BE RUNNING THE ELECTRIC, YOU KNOW, UNDERGROUND FROM THE STREET WHO, RIGHT.
I THINK 10 YEARS, A LOT HAS CHANGED, AND IT'S A LONG TIME TO GRANDFATHER OLD LAWS.
I LIKE WHAT, UH, YOU'RE PROPOSING, WALTER.
AND THE, AND THE OTHER THING IS THIS, WALTER, YOU KNOW, YOU GAVE MR. OTTO THE COURTESY OF COMING HERE TO ARGUE HIS CASE, BUT I WOULD SAY, AND I'D LIKE THIS TO BE IN THE MINUTES, THAT IF ANOTHER EXTENSION IS REQUESTED WHEN THIS ONE EXPIRES, I AM NOT INCLINED TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
SO, UH, AS FAR AS THE COMPROMISE
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IS CONCERNED, WHAT IF EVERYTHING REMAINS STATUS QUO FOR THE APPROVAL FOR 180 DAYS? WE'LL LEAVE IT UP TO THE APPLICANT TO CHOOSE EITHER HE ACCEPTS THE 180 DAYS WITH EVERYTHING STATUS QUO AS WE'VE AL AS THE BOARD HAS ALREADY APPROVED, OR THE EXTENSION WILL BE UP TO A YEAR WITH ALL THE UPDATES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED NOW AS PART OF THE STANDARDS THAT WE'VE ALREADY HAD.I DON'T THINK
I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION, I DON'T THINK GET AT THIS POINT.
I THINK, YEAH, I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE FOR THE BOARD TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
AT BELIEVE THAT'S THE APPLICANT.
I'M SORRY, CAN WE, UH, BUT I THINK I LIKE, UH, JOHN'S, UH, REQUEST BECAUSE CAN WE GIVE HIM A SIX MONTHS AND SEE WHETHER HE MOVES SOMETHING, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A, IT'S BEEN LIKE ONE YEAR AND THEN WE FORGET WHAT WAS THE LAST EXTENSION? THE REASON FOR LAST EXTENSION WAS, OKAY, WE'LL BE IN THE MINUTES.
WE'LL, ACTUALLY A, WE HAVE ONLY ONE EXTENSION FOR LAST EXTENS, I MEAN MINUTES OF THE LAST EXTENSION.
UH, I THINK MAYBE, MAYBE AARON, IF YOU CAN SUBMIT ALL THESE NINE, EIGHT EXTENSION AND WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR IT? AND, AND WE ARE SORT OF, UH, AT LEAST WE KNOW THAT, UH, THE, THE APPLICANT DOESN'T COME BACK WITH A REASON THAT HE USED IN A THIRD EXTENSION.
SO I, I, I MEAN, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE A, A SORT OF BROKEN RECORD.
I MEAN, I, I, I, I'M KIND OF, UH, NOT VERY COMFORTABLE SETTING UP THIS PRECEDENCE, BUT WITH THE COMPROMISE, I THINK WE CAN SAY IT'S A SIX MONTH OR, UH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THEN LET'S SEE WHAT ANY PROGRESS THEY MAKE.
I THINK AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.
WE JUST PUT, WE PUT THE, THE PROPOSAL TO A VOTE AND, AND WE DETERMINE, UH, HOW WE DO IT.
SO, UH, ONE PROPOSAL IS TO A IS, UH, UH, WHICH IS MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO A, A, A, UH, A, UH, ONE YEAR EXTENSION, UH, UH, BASICALLY A HARDSHIP EXTENSION, ONE YEAR EXTENSION THAT ALL, ALL THE, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE APPLICATION HAVE TO BE UPDATED TO MAKE SURE IT INCORPORATES ALL THE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE MADE IN, UH, IN THOSE LAST 10 YEARS.
UH, UH, A STATEMENT THAT THAT SAYS THAT WE WILL NOT, UH, EXTEND AND WE WILL NOT ENTERTAIN, UH, UM, UH, A MEETING WITH THE APPLICANT.
THAT, THAT IS THE FINAL, THAT THAT'S MY PROPOSAL.
AND THEN THERE IS A, A, A SECOND PROPOSAL THAT WE GIVE A SIX MONTH.
I WOULD SUGGEST YOU, CAN I SPEAK FOR ONE MINUTE PLEASE, WALTER? YEAH.
IN REGARDS TO THE SIX MONTHS I AM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S ENOUGH TIME BECAUSE CONTRACTORS AND SUPPLIES ARE STILL IN SHORT.
UM, I SAID ONE YEAR, I SAID, I KNOW, I KNOW.
I JUST WANNA SPEAK AGAINST THE SIX MONTHS FOR, YOU KNOW, THE
COR UM, I THINK WE HAVE TO GO FOR THE ONE YEAR.
HE'S NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THINGS DONE IN SIX MONTHS BECAUSE THEY'RE HAVING SO MUCH TROUBLE.
THE CONTRACTOR'S GETTING SUPPLIES AND HE'S GOING TO FAIL IF WE GIVE HIM SIX MONTHS.
THERE, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THEY'RE STILL HAVING A LOT OF TROUBLE CONTRACTORS GETTING SUPPLIES.
MONA, I, I'M JUST REQUESTING THAT THEY SHOW SOME PROGRESS.
I KNOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH PROGRESS TO SHOW YEARS.
SO YOU NOT GONNA, ANYMORE WE SPENT OKAY.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE WALTER'S MOTION.
NO, WALTER, I'M IN, UH, I'M OPPOSED.
I ORDER TO KIND OF GIVE A OKAY, THAT'S FINE.
AND THE REST, OR, UH, IN FAVOR OR DO, OR AM I WRONG ON THAT? I, I DIDN'T SEE WHAT JOHANN DID.
EVERYONE'S IN FAVOR EXCEPT FOR MS. AYE.
AND, AND YOU COULD NOTE IN THE MINUTES, UH, THAT COR, UH, VOTED NO BECAUSE HE
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FELT THAT SIX MONTHS, UH, UH, A YEAR WAS TOO LONG AND IT SHOULD BE SIX MONTHS.NOT TO BELABOR THE POINT, BUT I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
UM, THE EXTENSION, THE LAST EXTENSION EXPIRED ON MONDAY.
IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME BEFORE THE EXPIRATION AND MAKE ANOTHER REQUEST, OR IS THAT GOING TO BE FORBIDDEN AS PART OF OUR CONDITION AS WELL? THIS WOULD BE THE LAST EXTENSION.
THERE WOULD BE NO FURTHER EXTENSIONS THE WAY THAT I UNDERSTAND IT.
EVEN BEFORE THIS EXTENSION EXPIRES.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, TO POINT, IF HE COMES SIX MONTHS FROM NOW AND HE SAYS THAT THEY'RE HAVING SUPPLY ISSUES, I NEED ANOTHER SIX MONTHS ON TOP OF THE YEAR THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT HAPPENING, CORRECT? NO, THE, THE WAY I, I INTEND TO WRITE IT UP IS THAT THIS WILL BE A PLANNING BOARD'S FINAL EXTENSION, WHICH IS SET TO EXPIRE ON APRIL 5TH, 2022.
AND TECHNICALLY, I THINK IT'S, YOU UNDERSTAND IN, UM, AARON, IF YOU CAN PROVIDE THE LIST OF, UH, ALL THE EXTENT THE, THE REASON FOR PAST EXTENSION WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL WHEN WE DO, UH, THE NEXT IN, UM, CONSIDERING THE PAST HISTORY THAT MIGHT HAPPEN AGAIN.
SO JUST WANTED TO HAVE, AS PART OF THE APPROVAL, WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR LAST EIGHT EXTENSION, IF YOU CAN ADD THAT INTO THE I'LL, DOES THE WHOLE WHOLE BOARD WANT THAT? A LIST OF, I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY.
WE, WE WENT OVER THE WHOLE HISTORY, NOT UNLESS THE VOTE WOULD'VE PUT IT IN, BUT WE WENT OVER THE WHOLE HISTORY AND WE HAVE THE HISTORY OF ALL THE EXTENSIONS.
UM, I DON'T, WELL, I DON'T REMEMBER ALL THE HISTORY OF ALL THE EIGHT EXTENSION, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN, THE MINUTES DOESN'T SAY WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE LAST EXTENSION EITHER.
WE CAN FORWARD ALL THAT TO YOU, BUT THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT TO PUT THAT IN THE YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
AND, AND ONE OTHER IF, UH, MICHAEL, UH, BECAUSE YOU MADE THE MOTION, I HAVE ONE OTHER SUGGESTION ONLY BECAUSE OF THE LANGUAGE, AND YOU'LL LIKE THIS, I HOPE, IS THAT YOUR MOTION BE THAT THE, UH, APPROVAL BE NC PROTON TO WHEN? APRIL 5TH? UH, WHEN, WHEN THE EXPIRATION WOULD'VE BEEN, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN APRIL 4TH.
LOOK, LOOK IN, IN TERMS IN TERMS OF THE PREVIOUS APPROVALS, YOU KNOW, THE EXTENSIONS AND THE RATIONALE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA PUT AARON TO A LOT OF WORK.
I MEAN, I WOULD SUGGEST, KURT, IF THIS IS OKAY WITH YOU, THAT IF THEY ASK FOR ANOTHER EXTENSION A YEAR FROM NOW, THEN LET AARON DO A LITTLE HOMEWORK AND COME UP WITH THE, UH, CHRONOLOGY AND, YOU KNOW, LET US KNOW THE REASONS EVERY TIME.
BUT I HATE TO SEE, I JUST HATE TO SEE AARON DO EXTRA WORK.
UNLESS, HEY, MICHAEL, I, I'M JUST ASKING FOR, I'M NOT ASKING THAT IT SHOULD BE PART OF RECORD.
COR UH, WE HEARD YOUR REQUEST, UM, UH, UM, MICHAEL INDICATED WHY HE DIDN'T FEEL IT'S NECESSARY UNLESS THERE IS A, UH, UH, THE BULK OF THE BOARD FEELS THAT WE SHOULD DO THAT WORK.
NOW, UH, I SAY THAT NOW, WE, I AGREE WITH, UH, MICHAEL, THAT IT SHOULD NOT BE DONE NOW.
AND IF, UH, AND IF IN THE FUTURE WE THINK IT'S NECESSARY TO DO IT, THEN AT THAT POINT WE'LL DO IT.
NO, WALTER, I, I DISAGREE BECAUSE ALL I'M REQUESTING THAT, THAT I, I WAS PROVIDED WITH THE INFORMATION.
I'M NOT SAYING TOMORROW NEXT WEEK, BUT WHENEVER AARON GETS THE TIME TO DO IT, BECAUSE THIS IS A LONG AS EXTENSION WE HAVE APPROVED AS A BOARD.
SO LET ME JUST JUMP IN AND SAY, I, I'VE HEARD YOU AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT WE WILL GET YOU ALL THAT INFORMATION IN SHORT, THANK YOU.
RELATIVELY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
UH, THE, WE, THE NEXT THING IS, UH, UH, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, EXCUSE ME, MAY I JUST SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR GENEROUS DECISION.
WELL, I HOPE EVERYTHING WORKS OUT WELL FOR YOU, NOT ONLY FOR YOUR BUSINESS, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY YOUR HEALTH.
AND MR. BOTTO, WHILE YOU'RE ON, WE WILL GET YOU, UM, THE, THE INFORMATION.
SO IF THERE ARE UP, THERE'S SOME UPDATED, UM, REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU HAVE THEM AND GOING FORWARD UNTIL YOU'RE AWARE OF THEM.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND THANK YOU.
FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME WITH ANY QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY.
SO WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING COMPONENT, AND I SEE THAT BARBARA'S HERE.
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HI, BARBARA.SIMON, I'M HAPPY TO CALL THE ROLL.
NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. SCHWARTZ IS NOT HERE THIS EVENING.
THE NEXT CASE OR ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
WELL, BEFORE WE GO INTO THAT, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE STATEMENT THAT IS UNDER, UH, THE PUBLIC, UH, DISCUSSION.
AND, UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THIS STATEMENT GOES INTO, UH, OUR PUBLIC, UH, HEARINGS TO, TO EMPHASIZE THE OBLIGATION OF BOTH THE BOARD AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO COME TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD.
IS THAT UNLIKE, UH, THE OPEN MIC THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AT PORTIONS OF THE TOWN BOARD MEETING WHERE PEOPLE COULD COME UP AND SPEAK ABOUT AT ANY ISSUES? AT, AT THE, UM, AT THE LAND USE BOARDS? THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
WE HAVE A SPECIFIC ITEM ON THE AGENDA, AND THE PUBLIC HAS THE RIGHT AND THE OBLIGATION TO SPEAK ON THESE ISSUES.
AND, UH, THIS BOARD HAS THE OBLIGATION TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC AND GET INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC.
AS CHAIR, I HAVE THE ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITY OF MAKING SURE THESE MEETINGS ARE CONDUCTED IN A PROFESSIONAL AND, UH, UH, UH, A MANNER THAT, UH, THAT, UH, SPEAKERS SPEAK TO THE ISSUES AT HAND.
AND WE MAINTAIN A SE SEVERAL, UH, CERTAIN LEVEL OF THE QUORUM.
THE QUORUM, UM, UH, UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE PLANNING BOARD IS NOT TO DENY PEOPLE FROM BILLING ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY, UH, ACCORDING TO THAT IS CALLED A TAKEN.
WE CANNOT DENY THEM, BILL ON WHAT THE ROLE OF THE PLANNING BOARD IS TO SAY, IF YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD ON YOUR PROPERTY, THEN YOU HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE TREE LAW, THE STEEP SLOPE LAW, THE WETLANDS LAW.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE SCREENING AND, AND IF A APPLICANT DO AND LISTEN TO THE OPINION OF THE PUBLIC, AND IF THE APPLICANT APPLICANT ABIDE BY ALL OF THOSE ISSUES AND DO ALL THE REQUIRED MITIGATION, WE CANNOT DENY THE APPLICATION.
SO SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS THE POWER JUST TO DENY APPLICATION, SO THAT NEED TO BE MADE CLEAR.
SO I THINK IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THIS AT BEFORE PUBLIC HEARING SO EVERYONE IS CLEAR OF WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD CAN AND CANNOT DO.
WHAT IS THE EXPECTATION OF THE PLANNING BOARD AND WHAT IS THE EXPECTATION OF ANYONE WHO COME TO A TO TESTIFY AT A PLANNING BOARD HEARING? WITH THAT SAID, I'D LIKE TO CALL THE FIRST CASE PB 20 DASH 25.
THIS CHAIRPERSON SIMON INDICATED CASE NUMBER PB 20 DASH 25 CORREA LOCATED AT FIVE TERRAMAR WAY P O WHITE PLAINS IN THE R TEN ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT PROJECT INVOLVES THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH RELATED IMPROVEMENTS.
PROJECT INVOLVES REGULATED STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE, AND REGULATED TREE REMOVALS.
PROJECT SITE PREVIOUSLY CONTAINED A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, WHICH WAS DEMOLISHED IN 2017 BY THE TOWN.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING CURB CUT FOR THE DRIVEWAY TO THE NEW RESIDENCE.
THE PLANNING BOARD LAST DISCUSSED THIS MATTER AT ITS MARCH 17TH MEETING, AND THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
UM, DOES EVERYBODY HEAR ME? AND CAN YOU SEE MY SCREEN? YES.
UM, WELL JUST TO BRIEFLY SUMMARIZE WHAT, WHAT AARON SAID, UH, UH, PLEASE JUST STATE YOUR
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NAME FOR THE RECORD.MY NAME IS GREGORY OLE FROM GABRIEL S'S OFFICE.
UH, WE ARE THE ENGINEERS ON THE PROJECT.
UM, SO, SO THE EXISTING LOT AS IS, IS VACANT.
UH, THERE WAS A HOME THAT WAS DEMOLISHED IN 2017, UH, BY THE TOWN.
THE LOT IS APPROXIMATELY, UH, 10,300 SQUARE FEET.
UH, THE, THE SITE DOES NOT HAVE ANY, UH, ROCK THAT WE KNOW OF.
SO, UH, THEREFORE WE PROPOSED A, UH, A PERCOLATION TYPE STORM WATER SYSTEM, UH, TO CAPTURE ANY IMPERVIOUS RUNOFF FROM THE SITE.
UM, WE'VE CREATED A, UH, NEARLY NET ZERO, UH, FILL OF CONSTRUCTION PLAN SINCE, UM, THE EXISTING SITE IS LOCATED, IT'S, IT'S SLOPES FROM TERRAMAR WAY TO THE REAR.
UH, THE HOUSE IS GONNA BE SITUATED IN THE CENTER OF THE LOT.
SO ANY EXCAVATION THAT COMES OUT OF, OUT OF, UH, THIS PIT, THE EXCAVATION PIT WILL BE USED AS FILL FOR THE REAR YARD.
SO, UH, WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE ANY, UH, TRUCKING OR MINIMAL TRUCKING.
AND, UH, ADDITIONAL BILL, UM, WE DID RECEIVE SOME PRELIMINARY COMMENTS FROM ENGINEERING, UH, THE TOWN ATTORNEY AND, UH, THEY WERE IN REGARDS TO WHEN THE HOUSE WAS DEMOLISHED, WHEN IT WAS SUBDIVIDED, WE DID ADDRESS THOSE.
UM, AS FAR AS ENGINEERING GOES, THEY HAD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS IN REGARDS TO, UM, LABELING, UH, OR ACKNOWLEDGING THESE EASEMENTS AND, AND IDENTIFYING, UH, WHAT WAS GOING ON WITHIN THE EASEMENTS.
UH, BUT THERE IS SOME FURTHER INVESTIGATION THAT WE WILL DO PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION.
UM, HERE'S A, A, A VISUAL OF THE TREE REMOVALS FOR THE SITE.
UM, SO ALTOGETHER WE ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE 13 TREES.
AND, UH, ALL OF THEM ARE MAINLY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO FILL, UH, AND, AND THAT CAUSES US TO, CAUSES THE REMOVALS.
OTHERWISE, WE DID OUR BEST TO PRESERVE WHAT WE COULD BASED OFF OF THE GRADING.
UM, AARON DID A, UH, REQUEST THAT I PUT TOGETHER A CROSS SECTION OF THE PROPERTY SO YOU CAN GET A BETTER IDEA OF, UH, WHAT'S EXISTING AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
SO I DID THAT THROUGH THE CENTER.
IF YOU COULD SEE SECTION AA RIGHT HERE? NO.
COULD YOU MOVE THAT UP FROM THE BOTTOM? I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE CROSS SECTION IS LEFT.
I'M, FIRST, I'M SHOWING YOU THE PLAN VIEW.
SO SECTION AA COMES THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE LOT RIGHT HERE, AND THAT'S THE CROSS SECTION THAT I'LL BE SHOWING YOU.
I JUST WANTED YOU TO SEE THAT LOCATION.
SO THE CROSS SECTION IS THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE LOT, AND THIS IS THE CROSS SECTION.
UM, SO AT THE CURB LINE, WE HAVE AN ELEVATION OF, UH, 2 37.
UM, THEN AT THE PROPERTY LINE WE SLOPE DOWN TO APPROXIMATELY AN ELEVATION OF 2 35.
AND THEN, UH, THE EXISTING, WELL PROPOSED GRADE AT THE FACE OF THE HOUSE ABOUT 54 FEET OFF OF THE CURB, UH, IS 2 31 0.7.
UM, AS IT IS, YOU KNOW, THE SLOPE IS MUCH STEEPER, SO WE ARE SOFTENING THE SLOPE IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
AND THEN, UH, IN THE REAR, UH, WE HAVE A WALKOUT BASEMENT SCENARIO.
SO, UH, THE FINISHED GRADE HERE IS AT 2 21 0.7 TO ALLOW FOR THE POTENTIAL HOMEOWNER TO JUST WALK OUT OF THEIR BASEMENT ONTO THE REAR YARD.
AND, UH, WE DO PROPOSE A FOUR FOOT RETAINING WALL IN THE REAR, UH, SO THAT THEY HAVE A USABLE YARD.
AND, UH, THERE IS A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT AS WELL AS A PROPOSED FENCE THAT, UH, THAT WE DID PROVIDE AS PART OF THE REVISIONS FOR THIS MEETING.
UM, THE FENCE IS GONNA BE A 36 INCH HIGH BLACK CHAIN LINK FENCE, UH, SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
AND, UM, THE WALL THAT WE WILL BE, THAT WE'RE PROPOSING,
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HERE'S A PHOTO OF THE WALL, SAME COLORS, SAME STYLE, UH, SO, SO IT'LL BE THIS RETAINING WALL ALONG THE REAR WITH A BLACK CHAIN LINK FENCE IN CONJUNCTION WITH, UH, THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING THAT WE, UH, THAT WE HAVE ON OUR LANDSCAPE PLAN, WHICH WILL BE, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THE FACE, THAT WALL FACE WILL BE FACING THE NEIGHBOR, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.SO THE, THE BOTTOM OF THE WALL IS GOING TO BE FACING THE REAR OF THE LOT, SO THAT'S WHO WILL BE SEEING THE WALL.
AND THEN ON OUR SIDE, THERE IS PLANTINGS AND GREENERY ON TOP OF THE WALL, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN REVIEWED, UH, ACCORDING TO OUR TREE REMOVALS.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DID OUR BEST TO, TO COMPENSATE FOR THE, THE STORM WATER RUN OFF AND THE, THE CARBON DIOXIDE, UH, THAT THE TREES REMOVED FROM THE ENVIRONMENT.
UM, AND THAT'S MY GENERAL, I GUESS, INTRODUCTION FOR NOW IS THE, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL DEFINITELY, I'M WILLING TO ANSWER THEM.
FROM BOARD MEMBERS ON THIS APPLICATION? NO.
UM, I HAVE ONE, UH, IN THE PAST ON TOP OF WALLS WHEN APPLICANTS CAME IN WITH A CHAIN, A CHAIN LINK FENCE, WE INVARIABLY ASK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CHANGE IT FROM A CHAIN LINK FENCE TO, YOU KNOW, A, A TYPE OF FENCE WITH THE POLES OR, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL THOSE TYPES OF FENCE, BUT BASICALLY A FENCE THAT, UH, UH, THAT HAS, UH, SOLID A BATTLE FENCE OR SOMETHING LIKE ARO.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN ALUMINUM STYLE OF A, YOU KNOW, A RAW THING FENCE.
I THINK WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WAS TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE GREENERY AT THE TOP OF THE WALL, AND I THINK THAT WOULD ACCOMPLISH IT AS WELL.
YEAH, THAT WOULD, THAT, THAT'S IN A MORE ATTRACTIVE MANNER.
I DON'T THINK OUR CLIENT HAS A PROBLEM DOING THAT AT ALL.
WE, WE DO HAVE ONE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK CHAIRPERSON SIMON.
THE, UH, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAVE NO QUESTIONS ON THIS APPLICATION.
IF THEY DON'T, THEN YES, PLEASE HAVE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC SPEAK MAIL.
COULD YOU PLEASE STOP THE SCREEN SHARING? SURE.
SIMON, I NEED TO PRESENT A LITTLE BACKGROUND AS TO WHY MY COMMENTS ON THIS PROPOSAL ARE, UH, MR. BOWDEN, DO I GET TO SPEAK WITHOUT YOUR INTERRUPTION OR NOT? NO, YOU GET TO SPEAK ON THE SPEAK FIRST PROVIDING, LIKE I SAID, THIS MEETING IS TO SPEAK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE APPLICATION BEFORE US.
IT'S NOT TO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE IDEAS, SOME OF WHICH I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU, BUT IT IS NOT THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO GO INTO THAT.
NOW, IF YOU HAVE SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT DIRECTLY RELATES TO THIS APPLICATION, PLEASE SPEAK TO THAT ISSUE.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO BRING IN ALL A LOT OF ANCILLARY ISSUES THAT DOES NOT SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE, THIS APPLICATION, I WILL INTERRUPT YOU.
STICK TO THE, UH, THE ISSUES OF THIS APPLICATION, OR I WILL INTERRUPT YOU.
THE SELECTION OF TREES FOR THIS PROJECT AS GLOBAL WARMING AND A NEW AND A DIFFERENT STYLE TREE BEEN CONSIDERED.
TWO, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THE CONSTRUCTION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO MOVING EARTH, IS THIS THE LEAST ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGING WAY OF DOING IT? DOES THE TRUCKS HAVE THE MINIMAL AMOUNT OF USING OF FOSSIL FUELS TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOAL THAT YOU'RE DOING? SO THAT
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IS YOUR QUESTION.THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE TWO QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE TO START WITH.
WHAT I'VE BEEN FORCED TO DO IS TO REFORMULATE MY PRESENTATION OKAY.
TO FOLLOW THE RULES THAT CHAIRMAN, WELL, SIMON HAS IT, BUT THESE ARE REASONABLE QUESTIONS AND I THINK THEY DESERVE AN ANSWER TO START.
NO, WE'RE NOT HAVING A BACK AND FORTH MR. BODEN.
YOU MAKE YOUR COMMENTS AND THEN, UH, AND IF ANYONE ELSE IN THE, UH, HAS COMMENTS, YOU MAKE THE COMMENTS AND THEN THERE WERE RESPONDENT TO, WE DO NOT HAVE BACK AND FORTH.
HOWEVER, IF YOU DO NOT FOLLOW THE RULES, YOU'LL BE CUT OFF.
AND, AND IT WOULD BE PREFERABLE, UH, TO, IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU KNOW ALL YOUR QUESTIONS JUST TO ASK THEM, AND THEN THE APPLICANT CAN ANSWER THEM.
THAT WILL BE THE PREFERABLE WAY OF DOING IT.
IF, IF ASK ALL YOUR QUESTIONS AND, UH, THE, THE APPLICANT WILL TAKE NOTE OF IT AND THE BOARD WILL BE LISTENING TO HOW THE APPLICANT RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTIONS.
AND IF WE FEEL THAT THE APPLICANT HAS NOT DONE A GOOD JOB AT ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION, WE WILL FOLLOW UP AND MAKE SURE THAT YOUR QUESTIONS ARE APPROPRIATELY ANSWERED.
CHAIRMAN SIMON, I'M 87 YEARS OLD.
MY MIND IS NOT FUNCTIONING THE WAY IT DID 20 YEARS AGO, EVEN FIVE YEARS AGO.
SO WE'LL GO WITH YOUR FIRST THREE QUESTIONS.
LET THE, LET THE, UH, APPLICANT RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTIONS.
UH, THERE WAS TWO QUESTIONS, CORRECT.
SO, UH, THE TREE PLANTINGS, WE ACTUALLY DID GO BACK AND FORTH EXCESSIVELY, I THINK LIKE THREE OR FOUR TIMES WITH, UH,
UM, AND THE TREE LAW CERTAINLY, UH, REQUIRES US TO ADDRESS EVERY ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN, WHETHER IT BE GLOBAL WARMING OR, UH, STORM WATER RUNOFF.
AND EVEN I THINK CARBON DIOXIDE IS ACTUALLY RELATED TO THE GLOBAL WARMING ASPECT.
SO YES, AS PART OF THE TREE REMOVALS, WE CALCULATED THE AMOUNT OF CARBON DIOXIDE, THE TREES THAT EXIST CURRENTLY REMOVE FROM, UH, THE ENVIRONMENT, FROM THE ATMOSPHERE.
AND WE CALCULATED THE AMOUNT OF STORM WATER RUNOFF THAT THEY CURRENTLY REMOVE, UH, DURING RAIN EVENTS.
AND, UH, WHAT WE PLANTED COMPENSATES FOR THE VOLUME, UH, AND THE AMOUNTS OF CARBON DIOXIDE AND STORM STORMWATER, UH, THAT IS BEING REMOVED, UH, THAT THESE TREES WERE CAPTURING, WHICH ARE NOW BEING REMOVED.
THERE'S ACTUALLY CALCULATIONS TO SUPPORT THAT AS PART OF THE TREE REMOVAL APPLICATION, WHICH IS ACTUALLY ON FILE.
UM, ALSO THE, UH, CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, I, I DID MENTION IT BRIEFLY, BUT, UH, THE EXCAVATION OF THE PROPOSED HOUSE, WHAT, WHAT WE TRIED TO ACCOMPLISH AND WHAT WE DID ACCOMPLISH WAS TO NOT BRING IN EXCESS FILL AND HAVE ALL THE, AND HAVE TRUCKS COMING IN AND OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.
SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE GRADED IN A MANNER THAT REQUIRES THE CONTRACTOR TO EXCAVATE THE HOUSE AND USE THIS FILL THAT HE EXCAVATES TO THEN BACKFILL THE PROPERTY AND NOT HAVE TO DO ANY TRUCKING INTO OR AWAY FROM THE SITE.
SO YES, WE DID TAKE THOSE TWO THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION IN OUR DESIGN.
UH, I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
MR. BOWDEN, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? I, I THANK THE GENTLEMAN FOR HIS CONSIDERATION AND WE'LL GO FORWARD FROM HERE.
IT'S A START AND I APPRECIATE THANK YOU, SIR.
AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU ABIDED BY THE PROTOCOL OF THE PLANNING BOARD, SO THAT IS DEFINITELY APPRECIATED.
UH, IF THE, UH, NO, ARE THERE ANY OTHER, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS? IF NOT, I MAY HAVE, UH, INTENDED A PROPOSAL TO CLOSE THE HEARING ON THIS APPLICATION AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL, WHAT IS THE DATE? THE WEDNESDAY BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING, AARON? APRIL 14TH.
UH, KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL APRIL 14TH.
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DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.THAT IS THE ONLY THING ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING, SO I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING AND GO BACK INTO WORK SESSION SECOND.
OKAY, CASHIER AND THANK YOU, BARBARA.
WE ASK MR. CATCHY THAT YOU GET US THE UPDATED PLAN WITH THE MODIFIED FENCE.
UM, CAN YOU DO THAT FOR MONDAY? UH, WE'LL SEND AN EMAIL,
YEAH, I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH HIS OFFICE.
I AM SURE HE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
I JUST WANNA GET THAT UP ONTO THE WEBSITE AND THE EVENT, A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AT A COMMENT WITH RESPECT TO THE MODIFIED PLAN.
SO I WILL FOLLOW UP BY EMAIL IN THE MORNING.
OKAY, NOW WE GO BACK INTO THE WORK SESSION AND, UH, UM, THE NEW BUSINESS AND WORK SESSION IS CASE PB 2101.
AND THAT'S, UM, CHUNG AND WONG LOCATED AT 18 MOUNT PLEASANT LANE PO IRVINGTON IN THE R TEN ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT SEEKS STEEP SLOPE AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS THROUGH THE PLANNING BOARD FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW IN-GROUND POOL AND SPA WITH RELATED DECKING AND A PATHWAY LEADING FROM THE HOUSE TO THE POOL AND SPA AREA.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE REMOVAL OF TWO REGULATED TREES AND IS PREPARED A LANDSCAPING PLAN PROVIDING FOR THE PLANTING OF SIX NEW TREES AND VARIOUS SHRUBS AS REPLACEMENT.
THE APPLICANT'S BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE TOWN FORESTRY OFFICER REGARDING ITS LANDSCAPING PROPOSAL.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD MEMBERS MAY HAVE.
AND I BELIEVE, UH, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, MR. SCHWEITZER, HAS ASKED ME TO SHARE THE PLANS.
IS THAT ACCURATE, MR. SCHWEITZER? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO I'LL MOMENTARILY PUT THOSE UP FOR YOU.
CHAIRMAN SIMON AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
I AM LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT ROBERT SCHWEITZER AND, UM, APPLICANT FOR OWNERS RICKY WONG.
SO, UH, AND ANNIE, ANNIE CHUNG.
UM, THIS IS, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANNA SAY THERE'S ONLY ONE TOWN REGULATED TREE, NOT TWO TO BE REMOVED.
UH, THAT IS ONE MAPLE, WHICH IS A, HAS TWO, TWO TRUNKS ON IT, AND IT HAS A 14 AND 20 INCH TRUNK.
AND THAT'S ON THE BACK, UH, SOUTHEAST PROPERTY LINE.
THAT TREE IS, UM, THE ROOTS ARE EXTENDING INTO THE CONSTRUCTION ZONE.
THERE WAS A LAWN TERRACE, UM, JUST, UH, AS YOU MOVE, UH, WEST AND AND NORTH.
AND SO, UH, WE FELT THAT THAT TREE, UH, WOULD BE IMPACTED AND, UM, THEREFORE DECIDED TO HA, UH, MADE THE DECISION TO REMOVE THE TREE.
UH, THIS PROPOSAL IS FOR AN IN-GROUND GUNITE SWIMMING POOL WITH, UM, WITH AN INCLUDED SPA.
THERE IS A SHORT, UH, DECK, UH, THAT IS ATTACHED TO THE POOL, UH, ON, ON THE, UH, ON THE SOUTH SOUTHWEST SIDE OF THE POOL.
UH, THERE WE ARE, WE ARE AT OUR LIMIT WITH, WITH, UM, COVERAGE.
SO, UH, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF, UM, ROOM TO WORK WITH IN TERMS OF HARDSCAPE.
UH, THE, THE WHOLE BACKYARD IS, IS SLOPING AND IT'S, MOST OF IT IS IN A, IN A REGULATED, STEEP SLOPE AREA.
SO IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS, UM, WORK, IT'S VERY TIGHT, BUT, UH, WE POSITION THE POOL WHERE YOU SEE IT IS SO THAT THERE WILL BE SOME LAWN, UH, BETWEEN THE REAR PATIO, WHICH AARON, COULD YOU JUST, UH, UH, PUT THAT SHOW, SHOW THE, SHOW THE BOARD WHERE THE PATIO IS BY THE HOUSE.
THAT'S AN EXISTING PATIO SYSTEM, AND THERE'S AN EXISTING RETAINING WALL THERE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE STEPS FROM
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THE PATIO THAT GO UP TO THE POOL ON THE SIDE, AND THEN, THEN YOU'LL TURN LEFT AND THERE'S A SHORT DECK THERE, AND WE'RE OUTTA COVERAGE AT THAT POINT.WE'VE DECIDED TO, UM, NOT, IF WE HAD TO CUT AND FILL IT WOULD, IT WOULD CAUSE THIS SLOPE TO INCREASE BETWEEN THE POOL AND THE HOUSE.
AND MY CLIENTS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A, AN AREA FOR THE KIDS TO PLAY.
SO WE DECIDED TO EXPOSE THAT ONE SIDE OF THE POOL.
UM, IT'LL HAVE AN EXPOSED EDGE WITH A, A DECORATIVE, UH, VENEER, STONE VENEER SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE POOL, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT AS A WALL, A SHORT WALL.
UM, IN TERMS OF EARTH WORK AND, AND EXCAVATION, WE'VE, UM, WE ARE WORKING ENTIRELY IN CUT AND THAT EARTH WILL BE REMOVED ALONG A TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION PATH, WHICH YOU SEE IS ALONG THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UM, AT THE SAME TIME, AS FAR AS GRADING IS CONCERNED, UH, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TWO SWALES BEHIND THE POOL TO, UH, UH, ROUTE STORM WATER OFF TO THE SIDES.
UH, THERE IS A, THERE IS A SLOT DRAIN AT THE EDGE OF THE EXISTING DECK, AND THAT IS, AND WATER WILL PITCH TO THAT FROM THE DECK.
AND THEN THOSE, THAT WATER WILL GO INTO, UH, SHALLOW INFILTRATORS THAT YOU SEE THERE.
SO IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE SITE WORK BEFORE I MOVE ON TO, UH, PLANTING? UM, YEAH.
DO YOU HAVE A CROSS SECTION TO THE SITE? YES, I DO, SIR.
WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO MOVE TO L I THINK IT'S L L SIX.
DO YOU KNOW IF THIS IS THE SHEET? I, I JUST HAVE TO ZOOM OUT.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT LOOKS LIKE THE SITE PLAN.
YOU WANT TO GO TO L SIX? AARON? THAT'S IT RIGHT THERE.
CAN YOU ROTATE THAT? OH, YEAH.
SO, UH, YOU SEE, UH, AT THE, AT THE RIGHT SIDE, YOU SEE THE, THE, THE PROPERTY LINE AT THE TOP OF THE HOUSE, ELEVATION, ONE 20 PLUS OR MINUS.
YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, THERE IS A BOULDER WALL AS YOU PROGRESS LEFT.
THAT'S, UM, RETAINING ABOUT THREE FEET.
SO BEHIND THE BOULDER WALL AND, AND THE PRO AND THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY DISTURBANCE, SOME SHRUBBERY AND PLANTINGS THAT WILL BE ON THE PLANTING PLAN.
SO YOU DROP DOWN FROM THE BOULDER WALL A FEW FEET, AND YOU ARE ON A LAWN TERRACE, AND THAT IS FLUSHED TO THE, UM, TO THE POOL BEAM.
AND THEN YOU GO ACROSS THE POOL BEAM, AND THERE, YOU SEE, AS YOU DROP DOWN, UH, SEVERAL FEET AT THE MOST, IT'LL SLOPE UP ON THE SIDES, BUT THAT'LL BE THE EXPOSED, UH, BEAM, WHICH WILL BE DEC, HAVE A DECORATIVE STONE VENEER ON IT.
AND THEN FROM THERE, THE, THE LAWN SLOPE REMAINS AS IT IS PRETTY MUCH, UH, UNDISTURBED.
AND THAT'S THE EXISTING RETAINING WALL THAT YOU SEE GOING DOWN TO THE PATIO.
NOW, MR. SCHWEITZER, IT LOOKS BASED ON THE NOTE AT THE BOTTOM THAT THIS IS AN EXAGGERATED, UM, PICTURE OF THE CROSS SECTION.
IS THAT CORRECT? YOU SAID VERTICAL, WHITE, HORIZONTAL.
THE VERTICAL WAS EXAGGERATED, JUST SO THAT YOU CAN SEE, SEE THE PICTURE MORE CLEAR.
BUT, UM, THE, THE, THE, THE GRADES ARE WHAT THEY ARE AS, AS YOU, AS YOU LOOK, UM, AT THE, AT, AT THE ELEVATIONS THAT ARE SHOWN.
SO THE DASH LINE RUNNING ACROSS IS, IS EXISTING GRADE.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE FROM THAT EXISTING GRADE THE CUTS.
SO AS YOU MOVE IN THE BACK, YOU SEE, YOU SEE THE CUTS, BUT THEN AS YOU GET TO THE EDGE THERE, THE EXISTING GRADE IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT IT IS TO THE EXISTING PATIO.
SO, MRS. WEISER, WHAT DID YOU HAVE EX ALREADY THEN? WELL, IF I IMAGINE IF I HAD JUST COMPRESSED THIS AND KEPT IT, UH, ONE FOR ONE, YOU WOULD, YOU, IT, IT, YOU SEE IT.
I'VE, I'VE EXAGGERATED THE VERTICAL SCALE.
TWICE, JUST SO IT'S, IT'S MORE CLEAR TO SEE, SIR.
UM, WHAT, WHAT WERE YOUR LIMITATIONS, WHY YOU DID NOT MAKE THAT BACKYARD, UH, FROM THAT WALL TO THE POOL, UH, FLAT, AS
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OPPOSED TO PUTTING THAT ON THE SLOPE? WHAT WERE THE LIMITATIONS, WHY YOU DECIDE NOT TO DO THAT? THE CHAIRMAN, SIMON, JUST, JUST REPHRASE THAT QUESTION ONE MORE TIME PLEASE.IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE RETAINING WALL AGAINST THE HOUSE YES.
AND, AND YOU LOOK AT THE POOL.
WHAT WAS THE, YOUR RATIONALE NOT TO MAKE THAT A STRAIGHT LINE, THAT THAT WILL LINE UP TO THE, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE POOL? WELL, IT WOULD, IT WOULD CREATE A LOT MORE CUT, UHHUH,
AND SO I WAS TRYING TO BALANCE OUT THE EARTH WORK.
AND I WAS TRYING, IF WE HAD TO DROP THE POOL DOWN, UH, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE, UH, NO, NOT, EXCUSE ME, NOT DROP DOWN THE POOL, DROP DOWN, UH, THE, THE LAND IN FRONT OF THE POOL TO MAKE THAT A STRAIGHT LINE THAT GOES FROM THE TOP OF THAT, UH, WALL AGAINST THE BUILDING.
IF YOU JUST DRAW A STRAIGHT LINE OR IT'LL RUN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE POOL.
JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHAT WELL, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD, FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO, UM, YOU HAVE TO INSULATE THE POOL FROM FROST.
SO YOU NEED, YOU NEED, YOU NEED SEVERAL FEET OF FROST CUSHION.
AND SO IF I, IF I, IF I HAD, IF I DID THAT, WE'D HAVE TO MAKE THE POOL DEEPER.
UH, DO YOU EXPECT TO HAVE A FENCE ON THAT WALL? UH, THE EXPOSED WALL OF THE POOL? I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT DROP IS FROM THE TOP OF THE POOL DOWN TO THE, WELL, YOU CAN, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT IF YOU JUST LOOK, IT'S, IT'S ROUGHLY ONE 14 AND IT GOES DOWN TO ONE 11.
AND NOBODY CAN GET ON THAT BEAM.
I MEAN, NOBODY, IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE, UH, UH, UM, ACCESSED.
BUT YOU HAVE A THREE F FOOT DROP.
IF, IF, CAN WE GO TO THE SITE PLAN FOR A SE A SECOND? WE CAN COME BACK TO THIS IF YOU WANNA SEE IT.
SO YEAH, THAT WOULD BE L ONE, OR NO? YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO IT HERE, AARON.
IF YOU PUT YOUR, PUT YOUR MARK WHERE IT SAYS, UH, ON THE MIDDLE OF THE POOL RIGHT THERE, THAT'S THE DEEPEST OR MOST EXPOSED PART OF THE WALL.
AND THEN THE GRADES COME UP TO THE CORNERS.
AND SO YOU START AT, AT A, AT A THREE FOOT EXPOSED PORTION WHERE IT SAYS ONE 10, AND THEN THE GRADES GO UP ON THE SIDES AND FLUSH OUT TO THE, UM, TO THE TERRACE AND, AND THE, UH, AND THE, AND THE COPING.
SO IT'S NOT A DECK WRAPPING A OH, NARROW DECK WRAPPING AROUND THAT SIDE OF POOL? NO, NOT AT ALL.
I'M NOT SURE IF I WAS READING THROUGH, I HOPE I DID NOT MIX UP, UH, THE APPLICATION, BUT I WAS READING SOMEPLACE WHERE THE AS IS DRAWING WERE NEVER FILED BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER.
AND IF THAT IS THE CASE HERE, WHERE WELL, UH, AND IF THIS IS APPROVED, IT SHOULD BE, THAT SHOULD BE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IF, UH, TO MAKE SURE THE AS IS DRAWING A FILE.
I THINK THIS IS, UH, THE AS BUILT AS BUILT, I THINK IT WAS IN THIS APPLICATION, BUT I CAN'T FIND IT READING THROUGH IT.
UH, AND, AND JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, CHAIR PERS AND SIMON, AND AS WELL AS MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WITH STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATIONS, THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING DOES REQUIRE THAT THE AS-BUILT PLAN BE FILED.
UH, IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WILL REQUIRE AS WELL, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY PICK THAT UP IN ANY CONDITION OF, OF IF THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD TO, IT WAS IN MR. SCHWEITZER'S LETTER AT THE, UH, SECOND PARAGRAPH ON PAGE TWO.
IT WAS ABOUT THE INFILTRATION CHAMBERS.
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE REFERRING TO, UH, CHAIRMAN SIMON, IS THERE WAS NO AS-BUILT DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
AND IN, IN MY INITIAL RESEARCH, WHEN I STARTED DESIGNING THIS, I WANTED TO SEE WHAT WAS UNDERGROUND.
AND SO I CONSULTED WITH, UM, THE TOWN ENGINEER, ONE OF THEM, AND SHE ADVISED ME THAT, UH, NOTHING WAS ON FILE.
SO, UH, WE HAD THE LITTLE RESEARCH, WE SPOKE TO THE BUILDER, UM, THAT DID THE, DID THE PROPERTY INITIALLY, AND HE ADVISED US, UM, AS TO, I WAS REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT IT, UH, PUTTING THIS POOL IN AN AREA THAT HAD EXISTING SUBSURFACE STORM WATER
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INFILTRATION.SO I READ THE, I READ THIS SENTENCE DIFFERENTLY, BUT I'M CLA GLAD YOU MATTER.
YOU, UH, CLARIFIED THAT IS IN DOING YOUR RESEARCH, THERE WAS NO ABU DOCUMENTS THAT SAID THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING UNDER THE GROUND THAT WOULD INTERFERE WITH YOUR CONSTRUCTION.
I GO ON RECORD AND, AND, AND, AND SAY THAT, YES.
'CAUSE I READ IT THAT THE, THE PREVIOUS OWNER DID THINGS AND NEVER FILED AN AD BILL.
SO I'M GLAD WE CLARIFIED THAT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON, UH, THIS APPLICATION? UH, CAN WE SEE THE LANDSCAPING PLAN AGAIN? UH, IF WE DID SEE IT, UM, YES, THAT WOULD BE, SO THERE'S A SERIES OF, OF SHRUBS AND PLANTINGS ALONG THE WALKWAY AND IN THIS OPEN YARD SPACE.
THEN THERE ARE, UM, A ROW OF EVERGREENS IN THE BACK TO SHIELD IT FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND OTHER PATCHES OF, OF, UM, PLANTINGS THROUGHOUT THE SIX TREES ARE IN THE REAR VIEW.
AND THERE'S, UH, AN EXISTING HEDGE ALONG OFF JUST OFF SITE.
SO THE HEDGE IS IN THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY, OR YES, IT IS, SIR.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE GONNA SUPPLY THE HEDGE OR NO, THAT'S, IT'S EXISTING.
SO AARON, MY QUESTION IS THAT THAT, UH, AR OR WHATEVER THE TREES ARE AMIDST THE DOWN TREE CODE OR TREE LOAD? SO THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL EXCEEDS THE REQUIREMENT UNDER THE TREE ORDINANCE.
UM, IT'S GOT SIX, UM, HEMLOCK TREES, WHICH ARE EVERGREEN GOING INTO THE REAR, AND THEN A, A, A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT SHRUBS AND OTHER, UH, GROUND COVER PLANTINGS, WHICH, WHICH AS I SAID, EXCEEDS, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE CODE.
AARON? I, I WOULD MAKE ONE SUGGESTION.
I MEAN, HEMLOCKS, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN DOING ALL THAT WELL AROUND HERE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD KIND OF MIX IT UP, MAYBE THREE HEMLOCKS AND THREE SOMETHING ELSE.
JUST A SUGGESTION, JUST TO THINK ABOUT IT.
I, I ACTUALLY BROUGHT THAT SAME OR SIMILAR COMMENT TO MR. SCHITZ, WHO'S ATTENTION, SO I'LL LET HIM ANSWER THAT.
UM, I DRAFTED A RESPONSE TO, I'M JUST TRYING TO PRONOUNCE THE MAN'S NAME, THAT THE, THE FORESTER, MR. HOLGER.
AND, AND, AND HE, HE HAD TWO, UM, SUGGESTIONS, UH, NOT TO USE HEMLOCKS, UH, BECAUSE OF THAT VERY POINT YOU MENTIONED, SIR.
AND MY, MY RESPONSE WAS BASED ON THE LOW LIGHT CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE, NUMBER ONE, UH, SOME OF THE TYPICAL TREES THAT PEOPLE WOULD USE, UM, NORWAY, SPRUCE OR HOLLY'S, THEY DON'T, THEY WILL NOT GET THE, THE SUFFICIENT LIGHT.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL SURVIVE, BUT THEY WILL NOT, I WANT THEM TO THRIVE.
AND, AND, AND THEY WILL NOT, IN MY OPINION.
THERE ARE SOME, UM, AREAS AS YOU MOVE LEFT, YOU'LL GET A LITTLE BIT MORE LIGHT.
BUT AS YOU MOVE TO THE RIGHT INTO THAT CORNER, IT, IT GETS, IT'S, IT'S LOWER.
SO THE HEMLOCKS TYPICALLY ARE AN UNDERSTORY TREE.
AND, UM, THEY ARE ACTUALLY, THEY WERE, THEY, THEY, YEARS AGO, THEY GOT HIT WITH THE, THE FEAR ARENA SCALE AND ADEL, WHAT DO YOU INDUL IN? AND THEY ARE UNDER ASSAULT.
THERE WAS NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
UM, I RESPONDED IN MY LETTER AS AN OUT, I'VE BEEN AN OUTDOORSMAN MY WHOLE LIFE, AND I, I JUST REMEMBER HIKING 30 YEARS AGO AND SEEING THESE BEAUTIFUL TREES DECLINE IN DECLINE BECAUSE OF THESE INSECT PESTS.
AND, UM, THEY ARE NOW THOUGH, ON THE REBOUND, UM, I'VE BEEN INTO THIS SAME AREA THAT I'VE, THAT I'VE HIKED OVER 30 YEARS AGO IN HARRIMAN PARK.
AND THEY ARE FLUSHING OUT OF THE GROUND.
AND I'VE LOOKED AT THE TREES AND THEY ARE NOT INFESTED, UM, WHERE THAT'S GONNA GO.
I HAVE A NUMBER OF, OF, UH, MATURING HEMLOCKS ON MY PROPERTY IN CONNECTICUT, AND THEY ARE ALL VERY HEALTHY.
THERE IS A, UH, THERE IS A PEST, BIOLOGICAL
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CONTROL WE CALL THIS, THAT WILL EAT THE, UH, THE FEE ARENA SCALE OR THE WOOLLY ADEL, AND IT'S THE LADYBUG AND LADYBUGS ARE, UM, ARE PUTTING THESE THINGS IN CHECK.SO, UM, I EXPLAINED ALL THAT IN MY LETTER.
AND, AND I'M ALSO STATED THAT THIS PEST, IF IT DOES COME BACK AND THE LADYBUGS AREN'T DOING THEIR JOB THE WAY THEY SHOULD, WE CAN CONTROL IT.
THERE IS SOME SUCCESS WITH OIL, BUT USUALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT, UM, THE ADEL WILL COME BACK AND YOU WILL HAVE TO USE A, AN INSECTICIDE, NOT A IDE.
YOU CLEAN THE TREES AND THEN YOU CAN KEEP IT MAINTAINED WITH IT, WITH AN OIL, WHICH COVERS THE EGGS.
AND, UH, WE'LL KEEP IT IN CHECK FOR, FOR, UH, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, AND THEN YOU MAY HAVE TO HIT IT AGAIN.
SO IN THE SUBURBAN SETTING, THESE TREES CAN BE MANAGED.
UM, THEY ARE A NATIVE, AND, UH, THINGS ARE, AS I SAID, FROM MY OBSERVATIONS, I SEE THEM FLUSHING UP, UH, ALL OVER HERE ON ROUTE SEVEN, WHERE I LIVE IN REDDING.
THEY'RE COMING UP ALL OVER, AND THEY ARE CLEAN.
SO, AS I SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS IS GONNA GO IF THE PESTS ARE GONNA COME BACK, BUT THAT WAS MY REASON FOR, FOR USING THE HEMLOCKS.
WE COULD USE, UM, A SERBIAN, UH, SPRUCE OR AN ORIENTAL SPRUCE.
IT'S NOT A NATIVE, IT WILL TAKE LOW LIGHT.
AND SO IF THE BOARD FEELS STRONGLY ABOUT THIS, UH, MY CLIENT IS PREPARED TO, UM, MAKE THAT CHANGE.
I, I, I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME INPUT FROM AARON, BECAUSE THEN, UH, AS I'M SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF, MIKE.
I, I, I, I, I, I REALLY APPRECIATED THAT EXPLANATION.
UM, LOOK, IT'S YOUR CLIENT'S PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, HE DOESN'T WANNA BE LIVING WITH DEAD TREES 10 YEARS FROM NOW.
I MEAN, MY ONLY THOUGHT IS NOT ALL HEMLOCKS THROWING A COUPLE OF SPRUCE, YOU KNOW, YOU GET SOME DIVERSITY, YOU GET DIFFERENT COLOR, AND, YOU KNOW, IF A COUPLE OF HEMLOCKS DIE, AT LEAST YOU HAVE A FEW TREES LEFT.
BUT I'M NOT STANDING MY GROUND ON THIS.
YOU DO WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT.
UM, SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE PERHAPS TO HAVE, UM, MAYBE TWO OF, OF THE OTHER TYPE OF SPRUCE, MAYBE ONE ON EACH END.
UM, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING FOR THE APP APPLICANT TO CONSIDER.
UM, WHEN WE RECEIVED THE FEEDBACK, WE WERE SATISFIED WITH THAT, AND WE JUST WANTED THE OWNER TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE COULD BE FUTURE MAINTENANCE OBLIGATIONS FURTHER, IF THE TREES, FOR WHATEVER REASON, YOU KNOW, BECAME INFESTED AND WERE NOT MAINTAINED, THIS IS A PLAN THAT SITS, UM, YOU KNOW, IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY.
AND THE TOWN WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE A RIGHT IF THE PROJECT WERE APPROVED TO REQUIRE THAT THE TREES BE REPLANTED IF THEY DID NOT SURVIVE.
SO THAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT WE WANTED TO BRING ACROSS TO MR. SCHWEITZER AND, AND ULTIMATELY TO HIS CLIENT.
BUT, UM, IN, IN THE DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD THIS EVENING, I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT BE CONSIDERED, UM, PERHAPS BRINGING IN TWO OF EITHER THE SERBIAN OR THE ORIENTAL SPRUCE, JUST TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE DIVERSITY, NOT, OR THREE AND THREE, I MEAN, HOWEVER YOU GUYS END UP DECIDING TO DO IT.
BUT THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION.
UM, I HAD A QUESTION COMPLETELY UNRELATED THAT JUST I'M CURIOUS, MR. MR. SCHWEITZER, YOU HAVE WHAT LOOKS LIKE A, A MAIN RESIDENCE, AND THEN IN THE BACK THERE, WHAT I'LL DESCRIBE AS AN WHAT'S THERE IN THE HOUSE.
THIS WAS THIS HOUSE, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE HISTORY, BUT THERE WAS A, A, AN ORAL, UH, A DIFFERENT HOME THAT PREDATED THIS HOUSE.
AND THEN IT WENT THROUGH, UM, RENOVATIONS THAT WERE COMPLETED, I BELIEVE, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
AND, UH, I CAN TELL YOU WHEN I, WHEN I'M AT THE SITE, AND I, AND I, AND I AM, I GO IN AND MEET WITH MY CLIENTS.
I BELIEVE THAT IS A FAMILY ROOM IN THERE.
SO, UM, UH, I BELIEVE BELIEVE THEY'RE WA THEY'RE WATCHING, BUT THEY CAN'T COMMENT.
BUT I BELIEVE THAT IS A FAMILY ROOM IN THERE.
BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU SAID, YOU'VE MAXIMIZED USAGE, SO, UM, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE, UM, A WALKWAY FROM THAT AREA TO THE POOL.
I GUESS YOU'RE GOING THE, UM, FURTHER UP, UH, UP THERE.
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YES.THE, IN FACT, THE, IT IS NOT A WALKWAY.
YOU HAVE, UH, BLOCK, BLOCK STEP STONES, AND THEN THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S LAWN TREADS, LAWN, LITTLE LAWN TERRACES, BECAUSE WE'RE, I SAID WE'RE OUTTA COVERAGE.
SO THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
UM, MR. WEISER, I HAVE ONE QUESTION REGARDING THE LIGHTING FIXTURE PLAN THAT YOU'RE SHOWING.
SO CAN YOU, CAN YOU LITTLE BIT EXPLAIN WHAT, UH, THE POST LIGHT AND UPLIGHT? ABSOLUTELY, SIR.
AARON, CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON THIS A LITTLE BIT? THERE YOU GO.
SO, UH, IS IT, IS IT DAY DA A THIS A, SIR? CORRECT.
SO YOU HAVE THE STEP STONES, LET'S START AT THE PATIO.
UH, THERE WAS A POST LIGHT THERE, AND THAT THAT'LL COME UP FOUR OR FIVE FEET.
IT'S AN AREA LIGHT, IT JUST, IT JUST WILL, UH, OKAY.
UH, AND THEN AS WE GO UP, THERE ARE GROUND LIGHTS, UH, BY EACH STEP GROUPING.
AND I'M SHOWING FOUR OF THOSE.
ONE MORE AS YOU, AS YOU COMING INTO THE POOL.
AND THEN I'VE ADDED SOME GROUND LIGHTS, UM, AROUND ON THE TWO CORNERS, AND THEN ON THE BACK OF THE POOL.
AND THEN FINALLY AT THE FI AT THE LAST CORNER THERE, THERE IS, UM, IF YOU GO BACK TO THESE, TO WALKWAY ACCESSING THE POOL, THERE IS AN EXISTING JAPANESE MAPLE.
IT'S LOCATED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WALKWAY.
AND MY CLIENTS HAVE EMPHASIZED TO ME THAT THEY WANT TO TAKE ALL PRECAUTIONS TO MAINTAIN AND PROTECT THIS TREE.
SO I, I AM SHOWING TWO UPLIGHTS.
UM, THAT'S ALL, JUST, JUST TO EPHA, JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THE, THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE TREE.
THE POSTLIGHT WOULD NOT BE, WOULD NOT BE, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S A HOUSE ON, UH, ACROSS THE GONNA BE, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, UH, SPILLING THE LIGHTS TO THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD.
IT'LL, IT WILL BE FIVE TO SIX FEET TALL.
AND, UH, THE INTENT IS TO, IS TO LIGHT THAT AREA THERE, UH, AT THE EDGE OF THE PATIO.
THE STEPS, MY QUESTION IS THAT WOULD NOT BE, UH, OBJECTIONABLE TO YOUR NEIGHBOR.
WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVEN'T ASKED THEM.
UH, I SUPPOSE WE COULD, WE COULD DISCUSS THIS WITH THEM, AND IF THEY, THEY ARE, UH, YEAH, CHECK WITH THEM, COMFORTABLE WITH IT, AND IF FOR SOME REASON THEY'RE NOT, THEN WE CAN, WE CAN PUT A STEP LIGHT THERE.
IS IT SHIELDED IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE SHIELDED TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, THE AREA THAT YOU WANT TO ILLUMINATE? OR IS IT AN OPEN, YOU KNOW, WHERE NOT ONLY WILL IT LIGHT THIS AREA, BUT PERHAPS BEHIND IT AND IN THAT DIRECTION? I, I HAD IMAGINED JUST A LAMP THAT WAS OPEN, BUT IF, IF, IF, UH, I'M SURE WE CAN FIND LAMPS THAT, THAT COULD BE POST MOUNTED, THAT WOULD BE DIRECTIONAL AND, AND, UH, WOULD BE DOWN AND TOWARDS THE PATIO AND, AND, UH, AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBOR.
THE OTHER THING I SEE IS THAT THE HEDGE IS HERE.
I MEAN, PERHAPS A PHOTO, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE FROM THIS DIRECTION OUT TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE NEIGHBORING APP IS, BUT THAT COULD ALSO PROVE HELPFUL OR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A ROCK A BOULDER, RIGHT.
BUT YEAH, WE COULD, WE COULD PUT A, UH, A TREE OR SOMETHING BEHIND THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE CLOSE TO THE LARGE SPECIMEN MAPLES, SO YOU'RE PUTTING TWO KINGS IN THE SAME ROOM.
IT'S, AND THEY DON'T LIKE EACH OTHER WHEN YOU DO THAT.
BUT I, I CAN, MAYBE I CAN PUT SOMETHING ELSE IN THERE THAT WOULD, UM, TONE THAT DOWN A LITTLE BIT IF YOU, IF THERE ARE, IF THERE'S CONCERNS.
UH, HOW TALL IS THAT? HOLLY HEDGE? THE HOLLY HEDGE IS, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT FOUR FEET TALL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS? NO CHAIRPERSON.
WHAT WILL BE HELPFUL THAT, UH, UM, I'M GONNA PUT THIS ON FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IS THAT WHEN YOU COME FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU WOULD ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF THAT, LIKE WHETHER OR NOT IT IS A, A, UH, A DIRECTIONAL LIKE, OR, OR YOU HAVE ANOTHER TREE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE, BUT COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT WILL, UH, UH, GUARANTEE THAT THAT LIGHT WILL BE FOCUSED ON THE STEPS AND NOT YOUR NEIGHBORS, WHATEVER ARCHITECTURAL
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WAY YOU DECIDE TO DO IT.BUT THAT IS, THAT IS, UH, UH, A ISSUE THAT YOU NEED TO ADDRESS.
AND THEN WALTER, I THINK TO UNDERSTAND HOW FAR THE NEIGHBOR IS FROM THAT LIGHT, YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT EVEN BE AN ISSUE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEIR HOUSE IS, WHAT THEY HAVE ON THEIR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO, YOU KNOW, LET'S UNDERSTAND IF IT'S AN ISSUE TO BEGIN WITH.
SO DEFINE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S AN ISSUE, AND IF IT IS AN ISSUE.
AND IF IT IS AN ISSUE, SOME SORT OF ARCHITECTURAL, UH, SOLUTION, WE ARE NOT MANDATING THE SIZE OF THE, THE LIGHT OR WHETHER YOU PUT A TREE THERE.
BUT IF IT'S AN ISSUE YOU COME UP WITH, YOU ADDRESS IT.
UH, UH, THE OTHER ISSUE THAT YOU SHOULD, UH, UH, UH, RESOLVE THAT, THAT, UM, THERE IS SOME CONCERN AMONG THE BOARD ABOUT THE, THE NATURE OF THE TREES BACK THERE.
AND YOU INDICATED THE PLUS AND THE MINUSES, UH, DEPUTY CHAIR INDICATED A, UH, UH, A POSSIBLE SOLUTION.
SO I WOULD, UH, UH, HOPE THAT YOU, UH, CONTINUE THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER AND THEN COME UP WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, A PROPOSAL THAT WILL ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF, UH, UH, THOSE STRAIGHT LINE OF TREES.
YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF, NOW IF IT IS REASONABLE AND EVERYONE FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WHAT YOU HAVE IS THE RIGHT COMBINATION, THAT'S FINE.
BUT THEN BE PREPARED TO, UH, JUSTIFY THAT AT A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO YOU ARE THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, SO I'M NOT TELLING YOU A SPECIFICALLY HOW TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM, BUT MA BUT MAINLY, UH, IDENTIFY THE ISSUES SO YOU, UH, IN YOUR EXPERTISE COULD COME UP WITH AN ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION POINT NOTED, MR. CHAIRMAN.
IF THERE ARE NO, PARDON ME, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS APPLICATION, THEN WE COULD PUT THAT ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING AT OUR APRIL 21ST MEETING.
WE WILL GET TOGETHER THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE, THE PUBLIC HEARING SIGNAGE, AND WE WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH MR. SCHWEITZER EITHER TOMORROW, LIKELY TOMORROW AFTERNOON REGARDING WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR THE MAILINGS.
AND MR OH, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? UH, TODD? NO, I JUST, MR. SCHWEITZER, I WANNA COMPLIMENT YOU ON A VERY, YOU KNOW, THOROUGH, DETAILED, AND CLEAR SUMMARY.
YOUR LETTER, YOU KNOW, IS VERY WELCOME TO SEE EVERYTHING LAID OUT SO, SO NICELY.
SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ON APRIL 21ST.
OKAY, THE NEXT CASE IS PB 20 DASH 16, CAPTAIN LAWRENCE LOCATED AT 4 44 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, P O ELMSFORD IN THE PD NON-RESIDENTIAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT SEEKS STEEP SLOPE AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS THROUGH THE PLANNING BOARD, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 36 SPACE PARKING AREA WITH A NEW CURB CUT ON CLEARBROOK ROAD TO ACCESS THIS PARKING AREA, ALONG WITH A STAIRWELL LEADING FROM THE PROPOSED PARKING AREA TO AN EXISTING PARKING AREA ON SITE.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE REMOVAL OF APPROXIMATELY 53 REGULATED TREES REQUIRING A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, AND IS PREPARED A PRELIMINARY LANDSCAPING PLAN CALLING FOR THE PLANTING OF 23 TREES AND 22 SHRUBS AS REPLACEMENT, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW AT THE TOWN FORESTRY OFFICER.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, AS WELL AS THE OWNER OF CAPTAIN LAWRENCE ARE HERE THIS EVENING TO DETAIL THE PROJECT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD MAY HAVE.
MY NAME IS PETER CATONE WITH CATONE ENGINEERING.
WE ARE THE SITE CIVIL ENGINEER FOR, UM, THE OWNER.
UM, AND FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, THE, UM, THE OWNER IS, UH, DP 35, WHICH IS, UH, DIAMOND PROPERTIES, AND THE APPLICANT IS, UM, CAPTAIN LAWRENCE AND MR. SCOTT VACCARO IS WITH US, UH, TODAY, UH, IN CASE ANY QUESTIONS COME UP, UH, REGARDING OPERATIONS AND, AND, UM, OTHER ITEMS I CAN'T ANSWER.
WE ALSO HAVE, UM, JAMES COLEMAN, HE'S THE ARCHITECT.
HE'S BEEN BEFORE THIS BOARD IN THE PAST FOR OTHER APPLICATIONS.
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UM, HE'S, UM, PRETTY MUCH JUST LISTENING IN, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, WE MAY PULL HIM IN IF WE NEED HIM.UM, AND, AND THANK YOU AARON, FOR DESCRIBING, UH, THE PROPERTY, THE PROJECT WE ARE PROPOSING.
UM, AS, UM, AARON INDICATED A NEW, UH, 30, UM, FIVE SPACE, OR, I'M SORRY, 36 SPACE PARKING AREA.
AND, UM, THAT'S OFF OF CLEARBROOK.
UH, IF YOU KNOW THE AREA, IF YOU DRIVE BY, YOU'LL NOTICE THERE IS A STONE WALL ALONG CLEARBROOK, AND THEN THERE IS A BREAK IN THAT WALL THAT, THAT WAS ONCE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT WAS A PARKING AREA OR SOMETHING ELSE, BUT THERE'S KIND OF A REMNANTS OF A, AN OLD DRIVEWAY THERE ALREADY.
SO WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD BE KIND OF THE PERFECT PLACE, UH, TO START.
UH, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO PUT UP, UH, THE SHEET? SORRY, I, I THOUGHT I WAS SHARING, AND THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN FOR THAT.
UM, AND NOW I MAY MAKE BETTER SENSE,
SO THIS IS CLEARBROOK HERE, AND THIS IS THE EXISTING ENTRANCE FROM, UH, CAPTAIN, UH, TO CAPTAIN LAWRENCE.
I JUST WANT TO ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT JUST TO KIND OF GET REFERENCE.
UH, HUNTER IS OFF THE PAGE AT THE BOTTOM.
CLEARBROOK IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
THIS IS THE EXISTING PARKING LOT TO CAPTAIN LAWRENCE.
UM, AND YOU COME IN, THERE'S SOME, UM, PARKING SPACES HERE.
UM, SO THERE'S A, A SIGNIFICANT ELEVATION CHANGE BETWEEN, UH, THIS PARKING AREA AND, UH, THE PROPOSED.
SO, UM, WE, UM, WE DIDN'T TRY TO CONNECT THOSE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.
ALSO, THE SIGHTING OF THIS WAS SUCH WHERE WE WANTED TO AVOID, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT THIS BOARD DOESN'T LIKE, LIKE ROTATING WALLS.
AND, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WE TRY TO DO IT WITH JUST STABILIZATION OF SLOPES RATHER THAN HAVING TALL WALLS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND ALSO TO SOMEWHAT BALANCE THE CUT AND FILL.
UM, SO IF WE CAN, UH, GET BACK TO IT.
UM, CLEARBROOK AGAIN, THIS IS THE STONE WALL.
YOU'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE REMAINS OF AN OLD DRIVEWAY.
SO WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO START.
UM, SO THE, THE, UH, PARKING LOT IS, UM, UH, COME IN.
THERE'S ONE TURN IN IT, AND IT'S BASICALLY MIRRORS WHAT'S, WHAT'S ON THE SITE ALREADY.
UM, WE, UM, WE HAVE A CONNECTION FROM THE UPPER LOT TO THE LOWER THE, UH, A STAIRCASE.
UM, WE HAVE, UM, UM, JUST TO, TO KIND OF, UM, ECHO AARON'S, UM, UH, ISSUES OR, OR COMMENTS ABOUT TREES.
UM, WE DO HAVE A PRELIMINARY APPLICATION SUBMITTED FOR TREE REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT.
AND, UM, ON MONDAY, UH, WE HAD AN ARBORIST.
THE ORIGINAL TREES WERE LOCATED BY THE SURVEYOR.
WE HAD AN ARBORIST GO OUT THERE TO IDENTIFY NOT ONLY THE TREE AND THE SIZE, BUT ALSO ALSO THE SPECIES, AND THE, UM, VERIFY THE DIAMETERS AND THE CONDITION.
SO WE'LL HAVE THAT REPORT UPDATED.
WE ARE WORKING WITH, UM, THE ARBORISTS TO, UM, RESOLVE THAT.
UM, UM, WE, UH, TRIED TO PICK NATIVE TREES AS REPLACEMENTS, AND, UH, WE WILL NOT PROPOSE ANY FEWER TREES THAN WHAT'S SHOWN, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE ARBORIST CALCULATION OR THE REVISED CALCULATION SHOWS, UM, THE GRADING IS.
UM, SO HERE'S THE, THE TREE REMOVALS WITH THE STEEP SLOPES.
UM, THE VERY DARK HERE IS, UM, THE EXCESSIVELY STEEP SLOPES.
THERE'S NO TREES ON THOSE, BUT AS YOU COULD SEE, THERE ARE OTHER, UM, A GOOD NUMBER OF OTHER TREES THAT ARE IN CONFLICT WITH A CONSTRUCTION.
UM, WE DEVELOPED A, UM, A GRADING AND DRAINAGE PLAN.
AGAIN, THE GRADING IS, THERE'S SOME CUT ALONG THE TOP SIDE.
WE PLAYED AROUND WITH THE DIMENSIONS OF THIS PARKING LOT TO MAKE IT COMPLIANT TO GET THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS, BUT NOT TO REQUIRE A WALL.
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RAIL THAT WILL, UM, BE ALONG THIS LOWER EDGE AND THE LEFT SIDE, UM, OF THE PARKING LOT.WE ARE PROPOSING A STORMWATER MITIGATION SYSTEM, WHICH IS A SERIES OF UNDERGROUND, UM, CALL TECH, UM, CHAMBERS.
WE DID RUN TEST PITS AND PERKS THERE.
UH, WE COMPLETED A SW REPORT, WHICH WAS SUBMITTED TO THE TOWNSHIP FOR REVIEW.
UM, WE HAVE GRADE, UH, EROSION SEMI CONTROL PLAN.
WE'LL BE USING CLEARBROOK TO ENTER AND EXIT THE SITE DURING CONSTRUCTION.
UM, WE DID DEVELOP A LIGHTING PLAN.
UH, WE WANT THE LIGHTING TO BE SUITABLE FOR, UH, PARKING LOT DESIGN FOR SAFETY.
UM, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT IT OVERLY BRIGHT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAME UP WITH THIS PLAN.
THERE ARE NO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO US.
UH, THIS IS ANOTHER, UM, UH, TO THE NORTH OR THE TOP OF THE PAGE.
THAT'S ANOTHER, UM, UH, COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
UM, IN THE P U D DISTRICT, SAME AS US.
UM, WE HAVE A, UH, A PLANTING PLAN WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST SOME, AGAIN, UH, MAPLES OAKS, OTHER TYPES OF TREES.
UH, WE DO HAVE A LEGEND HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, IN, IN THE AREAS, UH, TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, SHADE FOR THE CARS.
AND, UM, ALSO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO MITIGATE THE, UH, REMOVAL OF THE OLD TREES THAT WERE TAKEN DOWN.
WE ARE FLANKING THE STAIRS WITH SOME SHRUBS.
AND IF I JUST COULD GO BACK WITH TO THE LIGHTING FOR A SECOND, UH, THIS IS PARKING LOT LIGHTING.
WE DO HAVE A BOLLARD LIGHT AT THIS LANDING TO LIGHT THE STAIRCASE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, AND, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THE PLANTING PLAN, UH, WE'VE PROVIDED, UM, SECTIONS, UH, THROUGH THE SITE.
YOU COULD SEE HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE EXISTING GRADE, AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, IT'S HARD TO SEE.
THE CHAIRMAN ASKED ON THE LAST APPLICATION, WHY DID YOU EXAGGERATE IT? I THINK IT'S GOOD TO EXAGGERATE BECAUSE IT REALLY SHOWS THAT VERTICAL.
UH, BUT IN THIS CASE, WE DID NOT.
HERE'S THE EXISTING GRADE AND DOTTED LINE.
THERE'S THE NEW PARKING LOT, THERE'S A CURB, AND THEN THIS TRANSITIONS TO MEET THE EXISTING GRADE AGAIN.
AND THERE IS A LITTLE FLARE TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UH, THE LITTLE BIT OF FILL TO TIE INTO THE EXISTING.
UH, WE HAVE TWO SECTIONS HERE, WHICH I THINK, UM, UM, ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF.
UH, SO HERE'S ANOTHER SECTION WHICH SHOWS, AGAIN, UH, SOME CUT HERE.
AND YOU COULD SEE THIS HAS MORE FILL ON THE, UM, UH, BEYOND THE EXISTING GRADE.
AND THEN THIS TAPERS OFF, UH, WITH FILL TO MEET THE EXISTING GRADE.
SO THAT GIVES YOU KIND OF THE TWO EXTREME CONDITIONS.
ONE IS, UM, WHERE THE PARKING LOT IS, IS KIND OF WEIGHTED BETWEEN A CUT SECTION AND FILL SECTION.
AND THE PREVIOUS ONE, WHICH BASICALLY SHOWS THE MAJORITY OF THE PARKING LOT ONLY IN THE CUT.
THOSE TWO SECTIONS ARE, UM, LABELED ON.
I JUST HAVE TO FIND THE SECTION LINES, BUT I THINK ONE IS IN HERE AND THE OTHER IS HERE.
IT'S ON ONE OF THESE PLANS, I ASSURE YOU.
I JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE.
UM, UH, OR MAYBE IT'S NOT, AND WE'LL HAVE TO ADD THAT.
UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE HAVE, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, DETAILS FOR PAVEMENT, UH, GUIDE RAIL.
UM, UH, WE HAVE A OUTLET CONTROL STRUCTURE.
SO THE, THE STORM WATER IS CAPTURED, UH, FROM THE NEW PARKING LOT.
THERE'S AN INFILTRATION ASPECT.
UH, THE, THE CHAMBERS LOOK LIKE THIS.
THERE'S AN INFILTRATION, A UM, ASPECT.
THERE'S ALSO A STORAGE ASPECT, AND WE HAVE A CONTROL STRUCTURE, WHICH AS THE WATER BUILDS UP IN THESE STRUCTURES, UH, THERE'S A LOW FLOW ORIFICE.
AND THEN FOR THE LARGER STORMS, IT
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WOULD GO O OVER THE OVERFLOW.EVERY STORM MODELED IS BELOW PRE-DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE ARE MEETING ALL OF THE NEW YORK STATE D E C STORM WATER REQUIREMENTS FOR RUNOFF MITIGATION AND WATER QUALITY AND RAINFALL RECOVERY.
THE ACREAGE OF DISTURBANCE IS JUST UNDER POINT.
UH, WE HAVE SOME DETAILS OF THE STAIRS.
THEY GO IN ON KIND OF LIKE A SAUNA TUBE WITH A PLATE ON TOP.
AND THEN YOU WELD, THERE'S A WELDING PLATE ON THE STAIR PLATFORM ITSELF THAT YOU WELD TO THAT, UM, THAT SAUNA TUBE.
UM, SO WE HAVE THE DETAILS OF THOSE, AND WE, WE HAVE THE, THE LIGHTING, UM, THAT WE INTEND TO USE.
IT'S ALL DARK SKY, L E D LIGHTING.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T THROW LIGHT VERY FAR.
AGAIN, THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS.
UM, BUT WE DIDN'T REALLY SEE ANY REASON FOR THE BOLLARD LIGHTING TO BE, UM, UM, UH, DIRECTIONAL IN ANY WAY.
UM, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THIS BOARD MIGHT HAVE.
UH, ANY BOARD MEMBERS? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, I, I, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS IN THE COMMENT.
FIRST QUESTION, NUMBER ONE, UM, ARE YOU GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT STONE WALL ALONG THE ROAD? AND QUESTION NUMBER TWO IS, I SEE IN THE, UH, REPORT THAT YOU ARE CON CONVERTING 5,882 SQUARE FEET OF EXISTING BUILDING AREA TO RECREATION USE.
WHAT'S THAT? THOSE ARE MY TWO QUESTIONS.
UM, SO QUESTION NUMBER ONE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, AND I'LL ZOOM IN WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SMALL PORTION OF THE WALL THAT WE ARE REMOVING AND THE TREE TO ACCOMMODATE THE DRIVEWAY, WE WILL BE MAINTAINING THIS STONE WALL.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT STONE WALLS IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY.
SO WE, WE DON'T EVER LOOK TO REMOVE THEM.
UM, SO, UM, BY, BY THE WAY, I THINK I, I WAS THERE YESTERDAY IF I RECALL CORRECTLY.
IT NEEDS A LITTLE REPAIR AND, AND WE WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU WOULD REPAIR, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE LEAVING OF THE STONE WALL AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
YEAH, WE COULD, WE COULD CLEAN IT UP.
IT'S REALLY A DRY LAID STONE WALL, SO IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK PERFECT LIKE A RESIDENTIAL WALL, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY, YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN.
UH, IT COULD ALWAYS USE A LITTLE SPRUCING UP
UM, SECOND, I CAN SPEAK TO THE SECOND POINT AS FAR AS THE 5,800 SQUARE FEET, SO THAT WHEN WE, UM, ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED, I MEAN, THIS IS PROBABLY GOING BACK TWO YEARS.
UM, WE HAD ENVISIONED TAKING OVER A PORTION OF, UM, WHAT IS NOW SAFE HAVEN SELF STORAGE AND PUTTING IN, UM, A, UH, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY AN EXTENSION OF OUR CURRENT HOSPITALITY OPERATION TO INCLUDE SOME GAMES AND SOME, YOU KNOW, FAMILY FUN TYPE ACTIVITIES.
UM, AS THINGS STAND TODAY WITH, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT COVID AND, UH, THE AVAILABILITY OF THAT SPACE WITHIN THE BUILDING.
UH, 'CAUSE IT IS NOT SPACE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE UNDER LEASE.
UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, ON HOLD INDEFINITELY.
SO THESE SPACES WILL ULTIMATELY, UM, YOU KNOW, SERVICE OUR CURRENT CURRENT CUSTOMER BASE WITHIN OUR CURRENT FOOTPRINT.
UH, SCOTT, YOU PROBABLY KNOW THE, THE INTERIOR LAYOUT A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN ME.
YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT IT.
IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE TIGHTER TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, UH, TIGHTER TO THE REAR.
AND IT'S ONLY, I BELIEVE IT'S 4,800.
IT'S NOT 58, BUT IT'S, UM, SO IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE, NO, NO, YOU WERE, YOU WERE GOOD THERE.
IT'S JUST, YEAH, IT'S CLOSER LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE A CAPTAIN LAWRENCE THING.
UM, IT'S CURRENTLY NOT UNDER CONSIDERATION ANYMORE.
IT, IT, IT'S REALLY, I I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY PART OF THIS APPLICATION BECAUSE IT'S NOT A SITE PLAN ISSUE.
I MEAN, THAT WAS, AND MIKE, YOU, YOU'RE CORRECT, THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
AND SHOULD THEY DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT SPACE IN, IN THE FUTURE, THEN THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE A, UH, UP TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND ZONING, WHETHER OR NOT THAT PARTICULAR APPLICATION, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, IS APPROVED IN THAT ZONE.
BUT THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR US TO ADDRESS.
SO, SO, SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE MY COMMENTS.
SO, SO I WAS OUT THERE YESTERDAY.
THIS, THIS AREA OF THE PARKING LOT.
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IT'S BASICALLY A WILD RAMBLE CRASH DUMP, YOU KNOW, UM,I WOULD SORT OF DEFER TO AARON ON THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T WALK THROUGH THE WHOLE THING.
I DIDN'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, GET STUCK ON ALL THE THORNS, BUT FRANKLY, IT, IT, IT, IT, IT, I DIDN'T SEE ANY SIGNIFICANT TREES WORTH PRESERVING.
SO I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN MY FELLOW MEMBERS OF THE PLAINTIFF BOARD SEE 53 TREES, THEY SHOULDN'T BE SHOCKED ABOUT THAT.
PLUS, THERE ARE LARGE DUMPS OF GARBAGE, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE WAREHOUSE TO THE NORTH, AND, UM, AND THIS PARKING LOT, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE THE LINE, YOU KNOW, LINE IS, BUT, BUT THE AREA WHERE THEY'RE PLANNING TO DEVELOP THE PARKING LOT IS BASICALLY AN UNREGULATED, OVERGROWN GARBAGE TRUE MESS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COM YOU FINISHED, MIKE? I'M
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BY BOARD MEMBERS? YES, I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS, ACTUALLY.
SOME HAVE BEEN ANSWERED BY THE PRESENTATION.
UM, YEAH, I WAS GONNA ASK WHY YOU WERE REMOVING THE TREES BETWEEN THE TWO PARKING LOTS, BUT THEN WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE CROSS SECTION, WHICH WAS NOT THE, THOSE LINES WERE NOT LABELED ON ANY OF THE PLANS WE HAD, SO I WASN'T SURE WHERE THEY WERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE REMOVING A LOT OF GRADE THERE, SO I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD TAKE THEM OUT.
I'M CURIOUS WHY YOU'RE NOT PLANTING ANY OF THE NEW TREES IN THAT, THAT SECTION.
UM, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, AS AN ENGINEER AND AS, AS A TREE LOVER, UM, I ACTUALLY, IT'S A THREE ON ONE SLOPE, WHICH IS A STABLE SOIL SLOPE.
I ACTUALLY LIKE TO STAY AWAY FROM PLANTING TREES ON STEEPER.
I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, ON STEEP SLOPES.
IT'S, IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY GROW AWKWARD.
THEY, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SUSCEPTIBLE TO STORMS, TO WINDS, THE ROOT BALL GETS EXPOSED.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE PURPOSELY STAYED AWAY FROM THAT.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY, UM, I'M NOT AN ARBORIST, SO THERE MIGHT BE, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ON THIS CALL THAT ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, CAN AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH ME.
BUT JUST FROM MY PROFESSIONAL AND PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, I, I LIKE TO STAY AWAY FROM TREES ON STEEP SLOPES.
AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, WHEN YOU BUILD EMBANKMENTS FOR LIKE, UH, FOR DAMS AND, YOU KNOW, LARGE IMPOUNDMENTS, ONE OF THE RULES IS NO WOODY GROWTH ON THE SIDE SLOPES.
SO I GUESS IT'S THE CONSERVATIVE NATURE IN ME.
WE WERE, WE, THANK YOU, PETER.
WE WERE WAITING FOR THE DOCUMENTATION TO COME IN FROM THE ARBORIST THAT THEY HIRED, JUST TO SEE WHERE THEY WERE IN TERMS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, REPLACEMENT VALUES.
I DID HAVE THE SAME INITIAL COMMENT, UM, TOM TO MR. CONE, AND, UH, HE GAVE ME THAT EXPLANATION.
SO WE WERE BASICALLY PLAYING THE WAIT AND SEE APPROACH.
THAT AREA IS BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, UM, THE, OBVIOUSLY BETWEEN AN EXISTING LOT AND A PROPOSED LOT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, UH, AND, AND THERE'S NO IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR TO THAT.
THEY WOULD BE SCREENING AND PUTTING IN NEW HEALTHY TREES ALONG THE NORTHERLY PROPERTY LINE THERE TO, UM, NOT SCREEN, BUT TO, TO, TO ADD, UH, NEW VEGETATION IN AN AREA AS, AS MR. GOLDEN SAID, WAS KIND OF OVERRUN AND, AND IN PRETTY BEAT UP SHAPE.
I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS ESSENTIAL, BUT I WAS CURIOUS WHY THERE WASN'T, SINCE THE, IT SEEMED TO BE A PRETTY BIG AREA.
THE NORTHERN AREA ALSO HAS SLOPES THAT WE'RE MAKING A LITTLE STEEPER.
THAT'S A CUT SECTION, AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I'M A LITTLE BIT MORE NERVOUS ON THE FILL SECTION.
UM, I MEAN, I REMEMBER DOING A PROJECT FOR A LARGER CORPORATION AROUND HERE, AND WE STABILIZED SOME, SOME SLOPES, FILL SLOPES, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, TWO WEEKS LATER IT RAINED LIKE CRAZY.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE, UM, UH, SLOPE STABILIZATION THAT WE HAD, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, SUPPLIED WASHED AWAY.
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A LOT TRICKIER ON THE, ON THE FILL SLOPE.UM, CERTAINLY WE'RE OPEN TO WORKING WITH THE ARBORISTS, UM, AND WITH THIS BOARD AND, AND TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT EVERYONE IS HAPPY WITH.
I HAD A, A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS JUST ABOUT THE PLANS THAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, BUT THEY'RE CLOSER, THEY HAVE TO DO WITH THE BUILDING.
UM, SO IF YOU COULD MOVE THAT UP.
SO, SORRY, AT THE, AT THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER OF THE DRAWING THAT WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT, YES.
SOME OF THE PLANS SHOW PARKING THERE, AND OTHERS SHOW A LOADING WRAP.
I'M, I KNOW IT'S NOT PART OF THE PROPOSAL, BUT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON IN THAT CORNER.
YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, I, I NOTICED THE SAME THING I WAS HOPING NO ONE ELSE DID, BUT I'M, I'M JOKING ABOUT THAT.
BUT, UM, WHAT THE LOADING, THERE WAS AN APPLICATION THAT BASICALLY CONVERTED, UM, TO THIS CONFIGURATION, UH, WHERE THEY E EXPANDED THE PARKING.
I THINK THAT WAS THREE YEARS AGO.
UM, YEAH, THAT'S BEEN COMPLETED BUILDING THIS LOADING AREA, AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT, UH, BASE MAPS, AND IT'S JUST THE WRONG ONE IS ATTACHED, BUT THE CONDITION IS THIS.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE RELOCATING ON ISLAND HERE, AND THAT SHOWS UP, I GUESS THE EASIEST PLACE IS LIKE, IS HERE WE ARE RELOCATING AND, AND KIND OF, UH, SHIFTING THE, THE STRIPING A LITTLE BIT THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE ARCADE AND, AND THE ENTRANCE OF THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY BE SOMETHING THAT'S ON HOLD NOW THAT WE DON'T DO, UM, RIGHT NOW.
BUT, BUT THIS IS, WELL, THIS SHOWS BOTH, BUT, UM, UH, YEAH.
SO YOU JUST HAVE SOME, UH, OUTDATED PLAN, PLAN, SOME WHOLE THINGS.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITION, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT EXISTS TODAY.
THIS IS THE, THE EXISTING CONDITION, AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT EVERY PLAN SHOWS THIS AS AN EXISTING CONDITION.
UM, I HAVE JUST TWO MORE SMALL THINGS.
ONE, I DON'T KNOW THE LENGTH OF THE SIDEWALK FROM THE LOWER PARKING TO THE EXISTING PARKING, BUT YOU MENTIONED ONE BOLLARD LIGHT.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE SKIMPY.
UM, WE COULD ADD, I'M WONDERING IF YOU MIGHT NEED A LITTLE, ANOTHER BOLLARD LIGHT AT LIKE ONE AT EACH LANDING, BUT THAT'S, YEAH, SO IT, IT'S REALLY, IT'S A FLAT, RELATIVELY FLAT.
THEN THERE'S A GROUP OF STAIRS, THERE'S A LANDING, WHICH WE, WE HAVE OUR BOLLARD, THEN THERE'S ANOTHER GROUP OF STAIRS AND ANOTHER LANDING.
WE COULD ADD TWO MORE BOLLARDS AT EACH OF THOSE LANDINGS.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S PROBLEMATIC AT ALL.
I, I DON'T THINK IT COULD HURT.
I KNOW NO ONE WILL BE DRINKING AT YOUR ESTABLISHMENT, BUT IT MIGHT HELP TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE EXTRA LIGHTS JUST IN CASE.
MY LAST QUESTION, BY THE WAY, I'M GLAD YOUR BUSINESS IS DOING WELL ENOUGH THAT YOU NEED THIS EXTRA PARKING.
UM, I'M JUST DEADLY CURIOUS OF WHAT THE SHADED AREA IS AT THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER OF THE BUILDING THAT'S NOT CALLED OUT ANYWHERE.
OH, JUST ALWAYS WONDERING WHAT THE HECK'S GOING ON THERE.
SO, SO THIS IS, UM, IT SHOULD HAVE REALLY BEEN CHANGED TO THE SAME HATCHING OF THE BUILDING.
THIS IS ACTUALLY THE, UM, THE SHOOTING RANGE, UM, BLUE POINT OR BLUE LINE, RIGHT.
UM, SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS A PROJECT THAT I HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING ON, UH, I THINK BACK IN 2009.
AND APPEARED BEFORE THIS, THIS BOARD, UM, ON THAT, UM, WITH, UH, MICHAEL GALLAND ARCHITECTS.
BUT THAT'S THE BLUE LINE SHOOTING.
THEY HAVE LIKE A LITTLE COURTYARD BACK HERE.
UM, AND YOU'RE CORRECT, IT SHOULD BE SHADED THE SAME AS THE BUILDING, BUT IT IS, IT IS THE EXISTING BLUE LINE.
SO IT'S, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN, YES, IT WAS IN DARK BLACK.
AND, AND TOM, THAT, UH, THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT QUESTION ABOUT THE LIGHTING, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE LIGHTING DIAGRAM, THAT LAST STEP IS NOT COVERED.
SO YOU DO NEED ANOTHER BALLOT THERE, BECAUSE THAT'S SHOWN BY THEIR OWN LIGHTING DIAGRAM.
IF YOU FLASH UP THE LIGHTING DIAGRAM DIAGRAM, YOU SEE THE LAST, THE LAST STEP IS IT THE, THE, IT DOESN'T EXTEND DOWN TO THAT LAST STEP AREA.
SO YOU DO NEED ANOTHER BALLOT THERE.
WE WILL NOT ARGUE ABOUT THE BOLLARDS.
UM, THERE IS EXISTING LIGHTING IN THE, IN THE PARKING LOT.
UH, SO WE, WE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE LAYING THIS OUT, YOU KNOW, I, I,
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AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GONNA ARGUE ABOUT THAT.YOU DON'T HAVE TO BELABOR THAT YOU AGREED TO IT, SO WE AGREED TO IT.
IS THERE ANY OTHER, UH, YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, I SEE, UH, IF YOU CAN PUT UP THE, UH, THE TREE REMOVAL PLAN.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, SOME OF THE TREES ARE NOT WORTH PRESERVING IT, BUT, UH, LOOKING AT WHAT'S PROPOSED, UH, IS ANY WAY, UH, THAT, UH, UH, COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS THAT I HAVE, THAT ONE IS THAT, WAS THERE ANY ALTERNATE PREPARED SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE IF ONE ACCESS AND, UH, PROVIDING A PARKING CLOSER TO THE EXISTING PARKING AND HAVE A SINGLE ACCESS AND EXTENDING THE ROAD GOING INTO THE PROPOSED PARKING AREA? UM, SO TO, TO, UM, ANSWER THAT QUESTION, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH, UM, UH, MR. VACCARO FOR SOME TIME ON, I, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY A DOZEN, A DOZEN AND A HALF DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES WITH THIS.
UM, SO COMING OFF THE MAIN PARKING LOT, THE PROBLEM IS IT GENERATES, UM, THE NEED FOR RETAINING WALLS AND MUCH DEEPER CUTS.
SO OUR GOAL WAS TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DESIGN THE, THE NICEST PARKING LOT YOU'VE EVER SEEN.
BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S, UM, IF IT'S FINANCIALLY NOT FEASIBLE BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF EARTH WORK AND THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NUMBER OF RETAINING WALLS, OR IF, IF JUST THE, THE SHEER AMOUNT OF, OF EARTH WORK JUST OUTWEIGHS THE BENEFIT OF, YOU KNOW, 36 PARKING SPOTS, THEN, YOU KNOW, UM, WE, WE, UM, WE KIND OF STEERED AWAY FROM THAT.
BUT LIKE I SAID, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MR. VACCARO FOR SOME TIME WITH VARIOUS, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, VARIOUS LAYOUTS, SOME VERY CLOSE TO THE EXISTING, UH, WE TRIED MANY DIFFERENT AVENUES OF CONNECTING TO THE EXISTING, IT'S, IT'S NOT AN EASY SITE.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, MAYBE A DIFFERENT PLAN IS, IS BETTER, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, I MEAN, IT'S RELATIVELY FLAT UP HERE, SO, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF SEEING TO BE THE MOST LOGICAL PLACE TO, YOU KNOW, PLACE PARKING.
UM, SO THAT'S, SO THE ANSWER IS YES, WE, WE HAVE LOOKED AT VARIOUS DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES.
MY, MY, ANOTHER QUESTION IS, UH, UH, DO, DO YOU, THIS NEW PARKING MEETS YOUR A D A REQUIREMENT? UM, I HAD A, A QUESTION ABOUT THAT, UH, EMAIL TO ME, AND WE HAVE TO DO A, A SITE-WIDE, UH, ASSESSMENT.
WHAT'S REQUIRED IS SEVEN, AS I LOOK AT THE PLAN, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, UM, UNFORTUNATELY ON THE PROPER PLAN, I HAVE MY PARKING ANALYSIS TABLE, UH, OVER THIS AREA, BUT I'M, I'M COUNTING FOUR FOR, UM, SO WE WILL COMPLY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S AREAS THAT WE COULD GET, UM, THE ADDITIONAL THREE SPACES.
UM, BUT WE WILL, I WILL DO A, MY COMPANY WILL DO, UH, SITE-WIDE, UH, REVIEW OF THE PARKING, JUST TO VERIFY WHAT'S THERE.
I MEAN, THESE PLANS HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, CHANGED A LOT OVER THE YEARS.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S WORTH A FRESH SET OF EYES.
UM, AND WE STARTED WORKING ON THIS PROJECT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
UM, SO IT'S WORTH GOING OUT THERE, BUT, UM, IF WE DON'T HAVE SEVEN, WE WILL GIVE YOU SEVEN UNDER THE PREVIOUS CONDITIONS, UM, WHICH WAS A HUNDRED AND, UM, 180 SPACES, I'M SORRY, GOES TO THE NEXT PAGE.
SO I THINK THAT A D A, UH, REQUIREMENT WAS, WAS SIX, UH, 180 SPACES.
SO 200 TO 300 SPACES IS SEVEN.
SO WE, WE WILL COMPLY WITH THAT.
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THERE ANY, JUST HAVE THAT, UM, AVAILABLE FOR THE NEXT MEETING? WAL WALTER? I HAVE A QUESTION.SO, SO I ASSUME THESE EXTRA SPACES ARE FOR, UM, CAPTAIN LAWRENCE BREWING, CORRECT? YES.
SO IF I'M GOING DOWN CLEARBROOK ROAD NOW, I'VE GOT TWO PARKING SPACES, TWO PARKING LOTS TO CHOOSE FROM.
HOW DO I KNOW WHICH ONE TO GO INTO? IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T WANNA GO INTO THE ONE THAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH AND FIND OUT THAT EVERY SPACE IS FILLED AND I HAVE TO MAKE A U-TURN, GO OUT AGAIN AND GO INTO THE OTHER PARKING LOT.
HOW DO I KNOW WHICH PARKING LOT TO GO INTO? YOU DON'T THAT, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I, I THINK, UM, AND, AND, UM, UH, I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH A, UH, UH, AFTER, BUT, UM, I, I THINK THE ANSWER IS YOU HAVE TO GO INTO THE FIRST ENTRANCE, FIND OUT THAT THERE'S NO PARKING SPOTS, AND THEN GO IN TO THE SECOND.
BUT HAVING SAID THAT, I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, EMPLOYEES OF CAPTAIN LAWRENCE AND ALSO FOR EMPLOYEES OF SOME OF THESE OTHER SPACES THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, CAPTAIN LAWRENCE IS MORE OF A PM ACTIVITY, BUT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, TIMES LUNCHTIME WHERE, WHERE, UM, THERE'S A PARKING AND DEMAND FOR THE REST OF THE BUILDING AS WELL.
BUT I THINK, UM, INTERNALLY WE CAN TRY AND PARK AS MANY OF THE STAFF, UM, IN THIS UPPER PARKING LOT TO KEEP SPACES AVAILABLE FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC ON THE LOWER, WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT SOUNDS GOOD, EXCEPT THERE ARE GONNA BE SIGNS FOR BOTH PARKING LOTS FOR CAPTAIN LAWRENCE, YOU KNOW, CUSTOMERS.
SO, LET ME MAKE A SUGGESTION, AND I MADE IT BEFORE, AND NOBODY LISTENS TO ME.
I MEAN, THEY HAVE THESE PARKING LOTS WITH ELECTRONIC SENSORS.
THEY KNOW IF A CAR IS PARKED IN EVERY ONE OF THE SPACES OR NOT, YOU CAN HAVE A LITTLE ELECTRONIC SIGN WHICH SAYS, YOU KNOW, PARKING LOT FILLED, MAKE NEXT LEFT OR PARKING LOT FILLED, MAKE NEXT.
RIGHT? IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE FRANKLY, LOOK, THIS IS FOR YOU.
THIS, THIS WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED, BUT NOBODY WANTS TO GO INTO A PARKING LOT AND HAVE TO MAKE A SEVEN POINT TURN AND GET OUT AND THEN FIND ANOTHER PARKING LOT TO PARK IT.
BUT THEY DO HAVE THESE ELECTRONIC SYSTEMS. I'VE SEEN THEM.
YEAH, MR. GOLDEN, THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY GOOD RECOMMENDATION.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE, UM, HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH, UM, WITH I B M ON, UM, UH, SEVERAL OF THEIR FACILITIES, UM, UH, FOR RECONFIGURING, UH, THEIR PARKING LOTS.
AND FOR THAT, THAT VERY SAME REASON.
UH, THERE'S A, AN I B M SITE THAT HAS FIVE PARKING LOTS, AND THEY'RE NOT INTERCONNECTED.
SO IMAGINE DOING THAT FIVE TIMES, ALTHOUGH IT'S LOGICAL, THE ONES CLOSEST TO THE BUILDING FILL UP FIRST.
THE PROBLEM WITH THOSE IS YOU ACTUALLY NEED, UM, A SENSOR AT EACH PARKING SPACE.
AND THEN THERE'S, THERE'S AN ALTERNATE WHERE YOU HAVE A CAMERA, UM, A SMART CAMERA, WHICH IS MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE.
UM, BUT THERE'S, AGAIN, WE LOOKED AT THIS FOR SEVERAL SITES.
THERE'S MAYBE TWO COMPANIES THAT DO THIS, AND I'M HOPING, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY SITES AROUND ALL OF OUR COMMUNITIES THAT COULD USE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT I'M, I'M HOPING THAT AS THE SYSTEMS BECOME, THERE'S MORE OF A DEMAND FOR 'EM.
THERE'S MORE COMPETITION THAT THOSE PRICES WOULD COME DOWN.
I MEAN, IT WAS LITERALLY THOU, AND THEN THERE'S AN APP, SO THERE'S A MONTHLY CHARGE PER SPACE FOR THE PHONE APP.
SO THAT COULD TELL YOU HOW MANY SPACES ARE ON UPPER LOT, LOWER LOT FRONT, THE OTHER SIDE.
BUT IT'S, IT'S THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS A MONTH JUST FOR THE SERVICE OF HAVING THAT, THAT'S NOT EVEN INCLUDING THE, THE EQUIPMENT COST.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A VERY GOOD COMMENT, AND I, I, I HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH TIME, THE PRICES OF THOSE COME WAY DOWN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, BELIEVE ME, IF, IF A COMPANY LIKE I B M WHO REALLY HAS SOME PARKING, WELL, NOT WITH COVID, BUT UM, REALLY HAS, UM, SOME OF THESE, UM, PARKING CHALLENGES, YOU KNOW, IF THEY, IF
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THEY SHIED AWAY FROM THE COST, I WOULD GUARANTEE YOU THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT EVEN IN A, IN A REALM FOR THIS PARTICULAR GOOD LUCK.BUT, UM, I, WALTER, I HAVE A QUESTION FOLLOWING TO THAT.
UH, CONSIDERING THAT, UH, YOU HAVE, UH, THE ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING IT, DO YOU HAVE ANY, OR THE CAPTAIN LAWRENCE HAS ANY KIND OF LONG-TERM PLAN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE IF THEY NEED ADDITIONAL PARKING, HOW THEY GOING TO PROVIDE IT, AND MAYBE, UH, THERE IS A FUTURE PARKING, UH, PARKING AREAS PROVIDED, WHICH MIGHT ALLOW YOU TO CONNECT THE BOAT, THE PARKING LOT SO THAT, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE THE ISSUE OF, UH, ELECTRONIC SOLUTION TO YOUR, UH, UH, PROVIDING, PROVIDING WHICH ONE IS FILLED OR NOT.
THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO INTERCONNECT, UM, TO THE FRONT PARKING LOT.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION, BUT CERTAINLY WE COULD EXPAND WEST.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, THE GRADES BECOME MUCH MORE, UM, UH, ACCOMMODATING.
UM, SO THERE IS A LONG-TERM SOLUTION.
IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT IN THE, UM, IN THE PLANNING OR THE BUDGET OF THIS PROJECT AT ALL.
UH, BUT I THINK THERE IS, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WITH ALL THE STUDIES WE DID, THAT WAS ONE OF THE ONES WE FOCUSED ON, IS THERE A LONG TERM SOLUTION TO INTERCONNECT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, 'CAUSE I'D LIKE TO ASK THE QUESTION.
ARE YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTION BY COR ARE YOU FINISHED? AND ANY OTHER QUESTION BY WALTER? YES, WALTER, UM, WHEN THEY RECONFIGURE WITH THE HANDICAP PARKING, THERE'LL BE RETRIP, THE FRONT PARKING LOT FOR MORE HANDICAPPED THERE AND, UM, PUTTING ALL THE HANDICAPPED CLOSER TO THE BUILDING.
IS THAT THE PLAN? UM, I WANNA COUNT WHAT'S THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S THERE.
AND THEN THERE MIGHT BE OPPORTUNITIES, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, RIGHT HERE IS A HANDICAPPED PARKING SPACE, BUT THE ONE NEXT TO IT IS A STANDARD PARKING SPACE.
SO THAT COULD, THAT COULD BE ANOTHER HANDICAPPED PARKING SPACE THAT WOULD NOT RESULT IN A LOSS.
AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE RIGHT PLACE TO DO IT, BUT THAT COULD BE A, A, A LOCATION.
ANOTHER, AGAIN, I, WE HAVE TO DO AN INVENTORY.
UM, WE MIGHT OR CONFIGURE HERE AND PROVIDE TWO MORE SPACES, UM, AROUND THIS AREA.
THAT'S A NO PARKING ZONE ANYWAY, SO THAT'S THREE SPACES.
IF WE HAVE FOUR, THAT'S SEVEN.
UM, AND IT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, IT MAY MAKE SENSE, I HAVE TO TALK TO, YOU KNOW, THE OWNERSHIP AND TO MR. VACCARO TO WHERE THOSE A D A SPACES, THE MO, ARE THE MOST USEFUL.
SO THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD LOSE ONE SPACE TO STRIPING, OR MAYBE EVEN, I DOUBT IT, BUT MAYBE EVEN TWO SPACES.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD SHOW US AT THE NEXT MEETING, YOU KNOW, THROUGH A REVISED PLAN? YEAH.
I THINK, UH, ONE OF THE KEY THINGS IS THAT IF, IF IT IN FACT THAT YOU VERIFIED, IF WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE IN HANDICAP SPACING, UH, THE POINT THAT MONA RAISED IS THAT THAT HANDICAP SPACING WILL BE AT THE LOWER LOT, RIGHT.
AS OPPOSED TO PUTTING HANDICAP SPACING, WHICH WOULD MAKE NO SENSE ON THE UPPER IT, IT WOULD MAKE NO SENSE, CORRECT? YES.
AND THE OTHER THING, IF, IF YOU COUNT THAT THERE'S A TALK ABOUT FUTURE GROWTH.
IF YOU COUNT UP THE SPACES THAT YOU WILL BE, UH, UM, UH, ADDING, THEN YOU, I THINK YOU ONCE GOT A PARKING, UM, UH, VARIANCE.
BUT IF YOU ADD UP THOSE OTHER PARKING SPACES, THEN YOU WOULD BE COMPLIANT.
AND SO YES, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD, UH, UH, NOT EVEN, UH, UH, SO YOU HAVE ROOM FOR GROWTH IN THIS DISCUSS? WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE COMPLIANT NOW.
SO THERE WAS A, UM, THERE WAS A, UM, THERE WAS A, A RESOLUTION, I THINK, UM, JAMES IS STILL ON.
I THINK, I THINK HE COULD SPEAK TO THE DATE, BUT IT WAS PROBABLY THREE YEARS AGO,
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THERE WAS A RESOLUTION, UM, FOR, UH, 180 SPACES, WHICH IS THE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO BASE PLANS, UH, WITH EIGHT SHARED FOR DOM'S PIZZA.WE ADDED, AND I KNOW THE APPLICATION FOR THE ARCADE IS NOT PART OF THIS, BUT WE WANTED TO COUNT THAT SPACE AS RECREATION SPACE VERSUS WAREHOUSE.
SO EVEN IF WE DID THAT CONVERSION OF THE ARCADE, THAT MEANS THE PARK AND DEMAND WOULD BE TWO 13, I'M SORRY, UM, TWO 13.
THERE'S EXISTING 180 AND WE'RE GONNA BE AT TWO 17.
SO WE, WE, EVEN WITHOUT FUTURE EXPANSION, THIS PLAN MAKES US COMPLIANT WITHOUT ANY SHARED PARKING.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE OTHER POINT THAT, THAT I WANTED TO, UH, TO MAKE, UM, NEW BUILDING SPACES.
OH, AND THE OTHER THING YOU INDICATED THAT THE, THE COST OF PUTTING IN THESE ELECTRONIC, UH, SYSTEM THAT, UH, MIKE, UH, GOLDEN INDICATE, BUT THERE ARE, I, I'VE SEEN A, A CHEAPER SYSTEM IN GERMANY WHERE THEY HAVE A COUNTER IN, UH, IN THE GOING IN, THERE'S A COUNTER AND THERE'S A COUNTER GOING OUT.
AND SO ALL YOU DO IS JUST MEASURE THE TWO COUNTS WITHOUT EXPENSIVE CAMERAS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
THAT'S WHEN YOU GO IN AND GO OUT AND YOU DO THE SUBTRACTION, AND THEN THAT TELLS YOU HOW MANY SPACES YOU HAVE.
ANYHOW, I KNOW A SIMPLER VERSION EXISTS IN GERMANY.
I DON'T KNOW IF WHETHER OR NOT IT'S APPLICABLE HERE, BUT THERE IS A LESS EXPENSIVE VERSION AVAILABLE IN EUROPE.
UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? OKAY.
IF NOT THE, I I THINK WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE ONE MORE, UH, UM, UH, WORK SESSION BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE YOUR ARBORIST, UH, UH, UH, REVIEW EX, UH, REVIEW, UH, UH, THE PLANTING, UH, ON THAT BACKSIDE.
AND, AND THEN, UH, FROM THAT WE COULD TAKE A MORE OBJECTIVE VIEW OF THE, THE PLANS.
WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE PLANS, UH, WHAT IS AN APPROPRIATE COUNT TO TAKE OUT.
SO I THINK, UH, WELL, WE NEED THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BEFORE WE COULD GO, UH, PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, WHAT I WOULD TENTATIVELY DO IS TO TENTATIVELY SCHEDULE IT FOR THE, UM, THE MAY, UH, UH, MEETING AND PROVIDING THAT ALL THE INFORMATION IS GIVEN TO DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, AND HE WOULD RELAY THAT TO ME.
THEN I WOULD THIS MAKE THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THE FIRST MEETING IN MAY IS, IS FIXED AND GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME, UH, TO SEND OUT THE NOTICES, SO TO INFORM THE NEIGHBORS, UH, UH, TO FIX THAT DAY.
SO I WILL TENTATIVELY SCHEDULE IT FOR THE FIRST MEETING IN MAY, PROVIDING ALL THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT'S PROVIDED.
AND, AND THAT WOULD BE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING CHAIR.
UH, UH, UH, UH, NO, NOT FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
IT IS, WELL, IF YOU, WE, WE, NO, WE STILL NEED THE INFORMATION.
HOW SOON CAN YOU GET THE INF INFORMATION ABOUT THE, UH, THE ARBORIST REPORT, THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE, UH, UM, HANDICAPPED SPACING, UH, AND ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING AN ACCOUNTING SYSTEM? IF YOU COULD HAVE THAT, UH, IN, IN TWO WEEKS, WE COULD PUT YOU BACK ON FOR A WORK SESSION.
UH, UH, THE ONLY THING THAT'S NOT IN MY HANDS IS THE ARBORIST REPORT.
UM, I COULD GO OUT THIS WEEK AND GET THE HANDICAPPED PARKING SPOTS, UM, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, NOT PROBLEMATIC.
SO FOR THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING, YOU DON'T HAVE TO NOTIFY YOU.
YOU DON'T HAVE THE RESTRICTION OF NOTIFYING, UH, THE NEIGHBORS.
SO I WOULD, THE, THE WORK, THE WORK SESSION,
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THE WORK SESSION, WORK SESSION, BUT I'M SAYING FOR THE PUBLIC, UH, WORK SESSION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT.SO FOR, WE WILL SCHEDULE YOU FOR THE NEXT WORK SESSION AT THE NEXT, UH, MEETING, BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE, UH, DEPUTY SCHMIDT WHETHER OR NOT THAT INFORMATION WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR OUR NEXT, UH, UM, MEETING ON THE, AT THE END OF THE MONTH.
SO CHAIRPERSON SIMON, MY, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, UM, PERHAPS TO TENTATIVELY PUT THE APPLICANT BACK ON FOR APRIL 21ST.
AND THAT'S PREDICATED ON THE APPLICANT GETTING US THE ADDITIONAL AND OR REVISED MATERIALS IN A TIMELY FASHION, WHILE ALSO GIVING STAFF ENOUGH TIME TO LOOK IT OVER TO BE ABLE TO REPORT BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD PRIOR TO THE NEXT MEETING.
SO, FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU WERE ABLE TO GET IT IN, YOU KNOW, EARLY TO MID NEXT WEEK, I THINK THAT SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE.
BUT IF FOR ANY REASON THERE WAS A DELAY WITH THE ARBORIST REPORT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT MM-HMM.
I JUST WANTED EVERYONE THAT WOULD BE STAFF'S SUGGESTION.
I, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S FAIR ON OUR, UH, OKAY.
SO HOPEFULLY YOU'LL GET ALL THAT INFORMATION TO US AND SO WE CAN HAVE A FOLLOW UP, UH, WORK SESSION AT OUR NEXT, UH, UH, A MEETING.
THANK YOU, UH, TO EVERYONE, AND HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, OKAY? OKAY.
UH, THE, THE NEXT, UH, CASE OF PB 2103, UM, WHICH IS A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS ACTUALLY, UH, IN WORKING WITH THE CASE PB 1706 AND EARLY ON, WE INDICATED THAT ALTHOUGH THE, IT'S ONE PROJECT, BUT IT'S BROKEN DOWN INTO TWO SEPARATE APPLICATIONS.
SO, UH, SO IF YOU, UH, SO CASE PB 2103, COULD YOU GIVE AN INTRODUCTION TO THE APPLICATION? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
SO, AGAIN, CASE NUMBER PV 21 DASH ZERO THREE, THE MARIN SUBDIVISION LOCATED AT SEVEN 10 ARLEY ROAD IN THE R 21 FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT SEEKS SUBDIVISION AND WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT.
APPROVALS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD PROJECT INVOLVES THE PROPOSED RE SUBDIVISION OF THREE EXISTING LOTS FOR THE PURPOSES OF ONE, CONNECTING THE DRIVEWAY TO AN EXISTING RESIDENCE.
UM, TWO, A PROPOSED PRIVATE CUL-DE-SAC ROADWAY ASSOCIATED WITH AN ADJACENT SUBDIVISION CURRENTLY UNDER CONSIDERATION BY THE TOWN AS CHAIRPERSON SIMON MENTIONED.
THAT'S CASE NUMBER PB 1706 D N R S F LEY ROAD AND SPRAIN ROAD SUBDIVISION TWO.
UH, PROVIDING POTENTIAL FUTURE DRIVEWAY ACCESS FOR PARCEL TAX PARCEL 8.3 90 DASH 2 75 DASH 9.2 TO THE PREVIOUSLY REFERENCED PRIVATE CUL-DE-SAC ROADWAY.
AND THREE, TO STRAIGHTEN THE EASTERLY PROPERTY LINE ASSOCIATED WITH TAX PARCEL ID 8.3 90 DASH 2 75 DASH 9.3, THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY TO THE MARIN RESIDENCE IS PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED AND PLANTED WITH TREES AND SHRUBS.
DISTURBANCE WITHIN A WETLAND BUFFER IS PROPOSED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, MS. ROBERTS, MS. AND MR. LOMBARDI ARE HERE THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD MAY HAVE.
SORRY IF I DID
UM, GOOD EVENING, CHAIRPERSON SIMON AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
AS ERIN JUST SAID, MY NAME IS KATE ROBERTS.
I'M WITH THE LAW FIRMS, AARON AND STEINMETZ.
ALSO WITH ME THIS EVENING IS DAVE LOMBARDI FROM J M C, THE PROJECT ENGINEER.
WE ALSO HAVE, I BELIEVE, UM, MR. MARIN, UM, THE APPLICANT IS ON THE LINE.
HE'S THE APPLICANT FOR THE REESE SUBDIVISION, AND HE LIVES AT SEVEN 10 ARDSLEY ROAD.
AND WE ALSO HAVE JOHN MAN HERE FROM NATIONAL ROAD SAFETY FOUNDATION.
I KNOW THAT THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS, UM, IS THE OTHER SUBDIVISION THAT WE'VE PREVIOUSLY BEEN BEFORE YOUR BOARD ON.
UH, I THINK I'M GONNA SORT OF SPEAK ABOUT BOTH APPLICATIONS.
SO I'LL GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF PROJECT BACKGROUND.
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NATIONAL ROAD SAFETY FOUNDATION IS, UM, ATTEMPTING TO RECEIVE APPROVAL FROM YOUR BOARD FOR A FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION, THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND ONE LOT WHICH WOULD BE THE SHARED DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS A CUL-DE-SAC.UM, BASED ON DISCUSSIONS WITH YOUR BOARD, MR. MARIN, WHO OWNS, UM, AN ADJACENT THREE LOTS.
UM, HE, HE HAS ONE HOUSE, BUT IT'S, HE CURRENTLY HAS A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION, TWO OF THE LOTS BEING UNDEVELOPED.
HE IS, UM, INTERESTED IN JOINING ONTO OUR SHARED ROADWAY.
AND WE, WE SEE A LOT OF BENEFITS TO IT, INCLUDING, UM, THAT IT WOULD REDUCE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE SIGNIFICANTLY.
I THINK THAT IT'S SAFER TO HAVE MORE, UM, CARS COMING DOWN THE SHARED ROADWAY.
UM, AND I, I THINK YOUR BOARD WAS HAPPY WITH MR. MARIN'S AGREEMENT.
UM, SO WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, REALLY, BECAUSE WE'VE FORMALLY NOW SUBMITTED MR. MARIN'S APPLICATIONS.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE APPEARED BEFORE THE C A C ON BOTH THE N R S F SUBDIVISION AS WELL AS MR. MARIN'S RE SUBDIVISION.
AND WE'VE RECEIVED POSITIVE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE C A C ON THE WETLAND PERMIT APPLICATION, UM, FOR BOTH PROJECTS.
SO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO REQUEST THAT YOUR BOARD SET A JOINT PUBLIC HEARING ON BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS, AS WELL AS TO RECEIVE ANY INITIAL COMMENTS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ON MR. MARIN'S SUB RE SUBDIVISION APPLICATION, WHICH IS NEWLY BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING FOR THE, FOR THE FIRST TIME FORMALLY, AS I SAID.
UM, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO DAVE TO BRIEFLY GO THROUGH MR. MARIN'S SUBDIVISION.
UM, WE'VE RECEIVED ONE COMMENT MEMO FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT THAT THE, THE COMMENT HAS ALREADY BEEN FOLDED INTO OUR APPLICATION MATERIALS.
WE RECEIVED IT BEFORE WE MEET OUR SUBMISSION, AND WE HAVE YET TO RECEIVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, UM, AS FAR AS I KNOW, UH, BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH YOU, THE, YOUR BOARD, UM, AND THE STAFF TO, UH, FINALIZE BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS.
UH, DAVE, I'M GONNA TURN IT TO YOU JUST TO BRIEFLY GO THROUGH THINGS.
GOOD EVENING CHAIRPERSON SIMON MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
THIS IS LOT 9.2, AND THIS IS LOT 9.3 LOTS, 9.1 AND 9.2 ARE FLAG LOTS THAT SHARE A DRIVEWAY OUT LEY ROAD.
UH, MR. MARIN'S POOL IS CURRENTLY ALSO ON PART OF LOT 9.2.
SO IF THIS LOT WERE EVER SOLD, THE POOL WOULD NEED TO BE DEMOLISHED.
AND I'LL JUST SHOW YOU QUICKLY OUR, OUR LAYOUT PLAN, WHICH YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE, WHICH WE WOULD RECONFIGURE MR. MAN'S DRIVEWAY TO CONNECT TO OUR PROPOSED PRIVATE ROADWAY AND ALSO PROVIDE A CURB CUT, UH, TO LOT 9.2.
WE'VE PREPARED A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION MAP.
STEVE, I JUST WANNA PAUSE THERE FOR A SECOND.
THE REASON THE, THE CENTRAL REASON THAT MR. MARIN NEEDS A RE SUBDIVISION IS BECAUSE OF THE FRONTAGE REQUIREMENTS, UM, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ADEQUATE FRONTAGE ON THE PROPOSED CUL-DE-SAC.
UM, SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT GOT US HERE, UM, IS THAT THERE'S NOT ADEQUATE FRONTAGE.
SO IT'S, IN MY OPINION, MORE OF A LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT FOR THAT REASON.
BUT WE, WE CALL IT A RE SUBDIVISION IN GREENBURG.
SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A NEW PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN LOT 9.1 AND 9.2.
THIS EXISTING COMMON PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THE TWO LOTS WOULD BE ABANDONED.
AND WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING TO STRAIGHTEN THE COMMON PROPERTY LINE WITH LOT 9.3 AT THE REAR OF MR. MARIN'S RESIDENCE.
WE GO STRAIGHT ACROSS THE BACK OF THE LOT HERE, AND EACH OF THESE RE SUBDIVIDED LOTS WOULD BE IN EXCESS OF THE MINIMUM 20,000 SQUARE FEET.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND OF, I THINK ONE THING, UM, WOULD JUST TO BE, AND IT IT SHOWS ON THIS PLAN, DAVE, IS TO SHOW THE EXTENT OF WHERE THAT WETLAND BUFFER EXTENDS TO, AND THAT THE DRIVEWAY, THE NEW DRIVEWAY AT LEAST IS SHOWN ON THE PLAN WOULD FALL WITHIN THE BUFFER.
AND FIRST I'LL JUST SHOW, UM, THE EXISTING HERE, THE WETLAND IS ON OUR ADJACENT RD ROAD SUBDIVISION PROPERTY, BUT THE
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100 FOOT BUFFER EXTENDS ONTO LOT 9.1 AND 9.2.AND THEN IF I GO TO AND INTO MR. MARIN'S EXISTING, UM, DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS IT'S HALF LOT ONE AND HALF LOT TWO OF MR. MARIN'S, SO THIS IS MR. MARIN'S PROPOSED DRIVEWAY.
WE WOULD BE REMOVING THIS PORTION OF HIS DRIVEWAY AS WELL AS THIS PORTION THAT IS ALL LOCATED WITHIN THE WETLAND BUFFER.
AND THIS WOULD, THE LOCATION OF THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY IS GOING TO BE REPLANTED WITH TREES AND SHRUBS, WHICH WE HAVE SHOWN ON OUR LANDSCAPING PLAN, WHICH I THINK YOU'VE ALL SEEN BEFORE.
IT'S THE, UM, SAME LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT'S BEEN BEFORE YOU ON THE, UM, OTHER APPLICATION AS WELL.
UM, AND, AND AGAIN, UM, I JUST WANNA REMIND THE BOARD THAT WE WERE BEFORE THE C A C SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, UM, FOR A FEW MONTHS ON THE N R S F APPLICATION, AND WE RECEIVED A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION AND WE WERE ALSO BEFORE THEM AT LAST MONTH'S MEETING, UM, ON MR. MARIN'S APPLICATION.
AND WE ALSO RECEIVED A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE C A C AS WELL.
THEY REALLY RECOGNIZED THE BENEFITS OF REMOVING A LARGE PORTION OF THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY THAT MR. MARIN'S CURRENT LOT AND POTENTIAL FUTURE SECOND LOT WOULD BE UTILIZING AND MAKING IT, UM, ONE SHARED ROADWAY WITH THE NEWLY PROPOSED SUBDIVISION FOR THE N R S F APPLICATION.
THAT IF, UH, THAT LOT, UH, THE JASON LOT THAT HAS PART OF THE SWIMMING POOL ON IT, SURE.
IF THAT LOT WAS TO BE, UH, SOLD, THAT SWIMMING POOL WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED.
UH, WHAT, WHAT IS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR THE POOL TO BE LOCATED IN THE BACK? IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A SMALLER POOL THAN WHAT IT IS NOW.
I GUESS, COULD YOU FIT THE QUESTION IS CAN YOU FIT A POOL IN THE BACK? UH, I MEAN, DAVE, YOU PROBABLY KNOW THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT.
I'M ALSO QUESTIONING WHETHER FROM A GRADING STANDPOINT IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE.
UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN ENGINEERED, BUT DAVE, I'LL, I'LL LEAVE IT TO YOU THEN.
THE REAR OF THE LOT IS SLOPED.
UM, SO IF A POOL WAS TO BE INSTALLED BEHIND HIS HOUSE HERE, I'M SURE WE WOULD NEED A RETAINING WALLS.
WELL, IF THE OWNER POSSIBLY SLOPE PERMIT, YEAH.
UM, IT MAY BE POSSIBLE MR. UM, SIMON, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY DIFFICULT FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, AND I BELIEVE, AS AARON SAID, YOU WOULD NEED A STEEP SLOPES PERMIT AT, AT A MINIMUM.
UM, WALTER, I, I WOULD LIKE TO COMPLIMENT MR. MARIN ON AGREEING TO THIS.
I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK THE BOARD HAS BEEN LOOKING TO ACHIEVE OVER THE LAST, I THINK THIS HAS GONE BACK A YEAR, A YEAR AND A HALF, YOU KNOW, TO ELIMINATE THAT ONE ACCESS ROAD, RIGHT.
PLANTED WITH TREES, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
AND SO EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, ACCESSED THEIR HOMES THROUGH THAT SHARED DRIVEWAY.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PLAN.
I THINK IT'S CONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING, YOU KNOW, REGARDING, I GUESS IT'S THE N R S F SUBDIVISION, WHATEVER THAT MEANS MM-HMM.
AND WE REALLY HAVE APPRECIATED MR. MARIN'S WILLINGNESS NOT ONLY TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH US, BUT TO AGREE TO THIS.
AND ALSO FOR, UM, AARON HAS HELPED A LOT WITH REACHING OUT TO MR. MARIN INITIALLY.
AND WE'VE HAD BEFORE COVID, LIKE YOU SAID, YEARS AGO, WE HAD IN-PERSON MEETINGS AT JM C'S OFFICE, AND THEN WE'VE HAD ZOOM MEETINGS, AND, UM, MR. MARIN AND HIS WIFE HAVE BEEN FANTASTIC.
SO I, I APPRECIATE ALL PARTIES INVOLVED IN, IN COMING TO THIS.
I, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING, YEAH, I THINK, UH, UH, I JUST HAVE A, UH, MAYBE A COMMENT.
UH, THE, THE FUNDAMENTAL, WHEN THEY STARTED THE PROJECT OF THIS SUBDIVISION
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BY, UH, UH, THE NF N R S F OR NR SF TRADITIONAL ROAD SAFETY, THE IDEA THE DEVELOP THE, UH, UH, SORT OF ISSUE WAS THAT THERE IS A ALMOST FOUR, UH, FOUR OUTLETS OR FOUR, UH, CURB CUTS INTO A, A WINDING, UH, ROAD, UH, GOING VERY, VERY, VERY DANGEROUS CURVE THAT IT GOES THROUGH ON LEY ROAD.AND THAT PROBLEM HAS STILL REMAINS THAT THERE IS A, THERE IS A, AND WE ARE ADDING ONE MORE, UH, ONE MORE CURB CUT.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE LIKE WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET, THERE IS A, UH, ALMOST 1, 2, 3, 4, UH, RIGHT NOW THERE IS A FOUR AND WE ARE GOING TO ADD ONE MORE.
SO, UH, IT, THE HOPE WAS THAT WE COULD, WE COULD ELIMINATE ONE OF THEM AND ADD ONE, SO IT IS NOT BEEN DONE.
SO EVEN THOUGH, UH, SOME OF THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE HAS BEEN, PUT IT BACK INTO A, UH, KIND OF GREEN AREA, GREEN SURFACE, SO, UH, I MEAN, I LIKE WHAT'S BEING HAP BEEN DONE, BUT, UH, NOT
UM, MR. DESAI, WE REALLY TRIED, UM, WITH, WITH THE NEIGHBORS BOTH TO THE, I GUESS THAT'S THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY, THOSE TWO HOMES, AND ALSO THE ONE, THE ONE THAT, UM, DAVE HAD JUST CIRCLED THE, THE ONE IN FRONT OF MR. MARINS.
UM, WE HAD, DAVE ACTUALLY WENT TO THE KIM'S HOME.
WE HAD A ZOOM CALL WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO THE OTHER SIDE.
AND UNFORTUNATELY THEY JUST WEREN'T WILLING TO, UH, COME, THEY WEREN'T WILLING TO CHANGE THE LAYOUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAY DESPITE US SAYING WE WOULD PAY FOR THE COSTS, THE H O A FEES FOR THE FIRST SEVERAL YEARS UNTIL THEY MOVED OUT.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE REALLY DID DO OUR BEST EFFORT.
AND, AND I AGREE WITH YOU, I THINK IT WOULD'VE BEEN BETTER IF WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN MORE PEOPLE ONTO THE SHARED ROADWAY.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE, WE CAN'T, UM, WE CAN'T FORCE PEOPLE TO, UH, I WISH, I WISH PEOPLE WOULD'VE CONSIDERED IT MORE, MORE STRONGLY, BUT, UM, I HEAR YOU.
AND, AND IF, UH, IF ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WANT TO TRY TO ENGAGE IN A DIALOGUE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE ALWAYS MORE THAN WILLING.
IT JUST, WE SORT OF GOT SHUT DOWN AT A CERTAIN POINT.
I, I ALSO WANTED TO JUST MENTION THAT, UM, IN THIS LAYOUT PROPOSAL, UM, YOU WOULD BE POTENTIALLY DOWN THE ROAD BRINGING TWO ADDITIONAL LOTS INTO A CUL-DE-SAC DESIGNED TO TOWN STANDARD, VERSUS HAVING A SHARED DRIVEWAY THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THREE RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
THAT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT MEETS TOWN STANDARD FROM A DRIVEWAY STANDPOINT, BUT IT CERTAINLY WOULD NOT MEET TOWN STANDARD FROM, YOU KNOW, A, A, A ROADWAY STANDARD.
UM, SO THERE'S DEFINITELY A BENEFIT TO HOOKING IN THESE TWO INTO A ROADWAY AND PROVE TO TOWN STANDARDS FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT.
UM, I WANTED THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS TO BE AWARE OF THAT AS WELL.
SO THERE, THERE ISN'T ANYTHING ON THE, UH, ON THE MOST WITH RESPECT TO THAT, BUT WE HAVE HAD, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT AND, AND FURTHER, I WANT THE BOARD MEMBERS TO BE AWARE THAT AS PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, WE WILL HAVE JOHN CANNING AVAILABLE.
UM, HE HAS LOOKED AT THE, THE NEW CURB CUT ASSOCIATED WITH THE CUL-DE-SAC ROADWAY.
HE HAD SOME INITIAL COMMENTS, AND THE, THE APPLICANT LOOKED AT THOSE AND ADDRESSED CERTAIN ITEMS. SO HE WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD MEMBERS AND THE PUBLIC, UH, AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF THERE'S NO, UM, OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS, UH, WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT JUST TO BRIEFLY UPDATE WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE COLDER THOSE THREE HOMES? AND IS, IS THERE ANY, YOU, YOU GAVE US A PRETTY GOOD BACKGROUND INFORMATION THE LAST TIME
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YOU WERE HERE.ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU WISH TO SHARE WITH US OR, UH, I, I, UM, DAVE, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING NEW SINCE WE WERE HERE LAST MONTH.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW WHAT I WENT OVER WITH MR. MARIN'S SUBDIVISION, IT'S SORT OF, UM, IT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE SAME SPOT.
I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I KNOW THE BOARD AND WE APPRECIATE THAT THE BOARD IS TECHNICALLY CONSIDERING THESE AS TWO SEPARATE APPLICATIONS AS THEY SHOULD WITH TWO DIFFERENT RESOLUTIONS.
UM, I THINK WE, WE MIGHT, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW, I HOPE AARON AGREES.
I THINK WE MIGHT BE IN A PLACE TO SCHEDULE A JOINT PUBLIC HEARING, UM, ON BOTH OF THEM.
I THINK IT MAKES SENSE FOR IT TO BE DONE JOINTLY BECAUSE THEY ARE RELATED TO ONE ANOTHER AND IT WOULD GIVE THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT COMPREHENSIVELY.
UM, SO IF, IF THE BOARD IS PREPARED TO DO THAT, WE WILL MAKE, UM, A COMPREHENSIVE PRESENTATION AT THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC AND SORT OF GO THROUGH THE HISTORY OF WHERE WE WERE AT WITH THE PLANNING BOARD BACK IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROJECT TO WHERE WE'VE GOTTEN TO AND WE'RE, WE'RE READY TO, TO MAKE THAT PRESENTATION.
WELL, A, A, A JOINT PRESENTATION MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THESE ARE THE, IT'S LIKE, UH, IT'S, IT IS LIKE SIBLINGS.
THEY'RE SEPARATE, BUT THEY'RE INTERCONNECTED.
NOW, I JUST LIKE TO ASK DAVID, HOW DO WE LEGALLY CONDUCT THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT, THAT WE CAN HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING WHERE BOTH ARE DISCUSSED OR WE HAVE TO HAVE TECHNICALLY TWO BACK TO BACK PUBLIC HEARINGS.
HOW? OKAY, SO, UH, I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THE QUESTION.
UM, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, RECOMMEND IS THAT WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC NOTICES FOR THE TWO SEPARATE ONES, BUT INDICATE IN THE NOTICE THAT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS WILL BE COMBINED, UH, IF BOTH, IF BOTH APPLICANTS, UH, YOU KNOW, ARE AGREEABLE TO THAT.
UM, SO THEY WILL WITH RESPECT ONLY WITH RESPECT REALLY TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEY WILL SHARE THAT RECORD AS PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IT WILL BE PART OF BOTH OF THEIRS.
UM, AND THAT WAY IT'LL BE MORE, UH, ECONOMICAL.
OBVIOUSLY IF PEOPLE HAVE OBJECTIONS TO ONE BUT NOT THE OTHER THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE, OR, OR PRAISE FOR ONE, BUT NOT THE OTHER, UM, THAT WOULD BE IN THE RECORD, UH, FOR BOTH.
BUT I THINK THAT GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYONE TO, UM, SPEAK OUT.
AND AT THE CONCLUSION, IF IT, IF THE BOARD FEELS IT WANTS TO CLOSE, UM, BOTH, UH, ASPECTS, THAT'S FINE.
THAT LEGALLY THEY CAN CLOSE ONE.
UH, IF FOR, IF THERE'S AN, IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS ON ONE OF THE APPLICATIONS, UM, DAVID, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES SENSE.
THIS IS, THIS IS FUNDAMENTALLY A SINGLE PROJECT, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALL KNOWN THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL ALONG, AND IT SHOULD BE HANDLED AS A SINGLE PROJECT.
IF, IF AT SOME POINT IT HAS TO BE SEPARATED BECAUSE THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, AN ISSUE WITH ONE BUT NOT THE OTHER, WELL, THAT'S FINE, BUT IT SHOULD BE ALL DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, AT ONCE.
AND THEN, AND, AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO OUR DECISION, WE WOULD, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO WRITE TWO SEPARATE DECISIONS, CORRECT? YEAH.
YOU'LL HAVE TWO SEPARATE SUBDIVISIONS.
YOU'LL HAVE DIFFERENT PLATTS EVERY, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT.
YOUR ONLY, THE ONLY THING YOU'RE SHARING REALLY IS THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE RECORD OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND, UH, IT IS STAFF'S KNOWLEDGE THAT THE APPLICANT WITH RESPECT TO THE PB 1706, THE N R S F FOUR LOTS, SUBDIVISION THREE, THREE RESIDENTIAL LOTS, AND THEN THE ROADWAY, THE APPLICANT, UM, IS STILL IN COMMUNICATION OR ONGOING COMMUNICATION WITH OUR BUREAU OF ENGINEERING RELATED TO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IN CONNECTION WITH THAT ROADWAY.
UM, THERE WAS AN EMAIL THAT I WAS COPIED ON THIS AFTERNOON.
I WILL BE FOLLOWING UP DIRECTLY WITH ENGINEERING ON THAT SO WE CAN CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD.
WITH THAT SAID, IT WOULD BE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THE BOARD CONSIDER PLACING THESE MATTERS ON FOR ITS MAY 5TH, UM, PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO WORK THROUGH ANY POTENTIAL FINAL COMMENTS FROM THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING WITH RESPECT TO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ON THE ROADWAY.
I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD RECOMMENDATION THAT WE PUT IT ON FOR HEARING MAY 5TH, UNLESS THERE IS, UH, CONCERN BY ANY BOARD MEMBER WHY THAT SHOULD NOT BE PLACED ON THE MAY 5TH, UH, UH,
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CALENDAR FOR PUBLIC HEARING.IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR OBJECTION TO THAT? IF NOT, THEN IT WILL BE PLACED ON THE MAY 5TH CALENDAR FOR PUBLIC HEARING, BOTH, BOTH THE APPLICATION AND WE WILL COMBINE THEM AS RECOMMENDED, UH, UH, BY ATTORNEY THAT WILL COMBINE THEM.
AND THEN DECISIONS THEN, IF NEED BE, WE COULD SEPARATE THEM DIFFERENT.
IF ONE IS PUSHED, IS GOES THROUGH AND THE OTHER DOES NOT, UH, UH, BUT AT ANY CASE, UH, FINAL DECISIONS HAVE TO BE SEPARATE BECAUSE THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE APPLICATIONS.
SO WITH THAT, WE WOULD LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, OF THE PUBLIC HEARING ON, UM, ON THIS, ON BOTH APPLICATIONS, ON MAY, MAY 5TH.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIRMAN SIMON, AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE, AND WE WILL SEE YOU NEXT MONTH.
UM, BOY, WITH THAT DONE, WE FINISHED 10 MINUTES AHEAD OF TIME, WHICH IS GOOD.
UH, I, UH, HUGH WAS, WASN'T, WASN'T FEELING WELL, I SPOKE TO HIM TODAY.
HE'S, HE'S UNDERGOING SOME, UH, SERIES OF TESTS, SO, UH, HOPEFULLY EVERYTHING IS, UH, EVERYTHING WORKS OUT FOR HIM.
WOULD'VE BEEN CELEBRATING WITH THE EIGHT MINUTE, UH, EXTRA TIME THAT HE WOULD'VE HAD FOR TONIGHT.
WELL, HE'LL GET TO WATCH IT AND HE'LL, AND IT'LL BE EIGHT MINUTES SHORT.