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[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL Agenda THURSDAY, February 25, 2021 – 6:30 P.M. ]
BEFORE YOU JOIN US, WE ALWAYS ARE HAPPY TO HAVE THE PUBLIC JOIN US.SO AT THIS POINT, WE'RE GOING TO START THE MEETING AND MIKE WENT AWAY.
MIKE, I, I, I VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE MINUTES.
I'M SO SOMEONE WANTED TO SAY THAT THERE, I, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES.
THAT'S THE EASY ONE TO TAKE CARE OF.
SO APPARENTLY, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, WE HAD STILL HAVE THE TREE LAW ON HERE.
UM, I HAVE BEEN RECEIVING, AND I'VE BEEN COPYING YOU FOLKS FROM SPIN WHEN THE TREE REMOVAL AND, UM, REQUESTS ARE COMING IN.
AND WHAT I THINK IS NICE IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS, YOU KNOW, TECHNOLOGY REALLY MAKES SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS AGO WAS ALMOST DIFFICULT TO DO BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, SCAR AND TOWN HALL DIDN'T ALL HAVE COMPUTERS, IF YOU CAN BELIEVE THIS.
I REMEMBER ONCE LIKE TALKING AND I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS.
AND IT WAS, AT THAT TIME, I GUESS IT WAS D P W HAD IT, IT WAS ENGINEERING.
AND THE FELLOW SAID, I DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER, AND I COULDN'T.
AND I LOOKED AROUND AND I COULDN'T BELIEVE HERE WERE ALL THESE TECHNICAL PROFESSIONALS SHARING A PRINTER AND NOT HAVING THEIR OWN COMPUTER.
SO WE'RE IN A VERY DIFFERENT PLACE NOW.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT AARON HAS HAD A REQUEST FROM HASTINGS TO MODEL ON OUR TREE LAW.
'CAUSE I THINK IF ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES HAD A VERY SIMILAR LAW, IT WOULD PROBABLY GO TO HAVING IT ENFORCED EVEN MORE SO BECAUSE IT WOULD BE THE STANDARD FOR ALL THE TREE REMOVAL COMPANIES.
AND SO I HAD ABOUT A ONE HOUR ZOOM MEETING WITH A MEMBER OF THE HASTINGS, UH, CONSERVATION COMMISSION AND THE HASTINGS TREE BOARD.
AND THEY HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS FOR ME.
WE HAD A GREAT BACK AND FORTH.
ULTIMATELY, UH, THEY LOVED THE LAW AS WRITTEN AND THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE A PUSH BEFORE THE VILLAGE COUNCIL TO SEE IF THERE'S INTEREST IN ADOPTING EITHER THE SAME OR SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR CONCERNS THEY HAVE RELATE TO.
THEY DON'T HAVE A, A CERTIFIED ARBORIST ON STAFF THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO ADMINISTER THE LAW.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED WITH.
SO IF THEY HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, OBVIOUSLY HASTINGS IS SMALLER THAN THE TOWN, LESS PARCELS, BUT NOT HAVING DONE IT ALREADY, MAYBE A SCALED BACK FASHION LIKE WE HAD FOR SO MANY YEARS, COULD BE A LOT FOR SOMEONE ON THE FRONT END JUMPING INTO IT WITH A NEW LAW THAT COVERS THE ENTIRE VILLAGE.
SO, UM, NEVERTHELESS, WE HAD A GREAT BACK AND FORTH.
THEY'RE INTERESTED IN COORDINATING WITH THE C A C ON OTHER MATTERS.
SO, UH, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE COMMISSION MEMBERS IS GONNA REACH OUT TO CHAIRPERSON TORY.
I PASSED ALONG HER INFO WITH HER PERMISSION AND, UM, I'M, I TOLD THEM I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY.
I, I REMINDED THEM THAT IT WAS NEW.
SO THERE MAY VERY WELL BE SOME KINKS ALONG THE WAY AND THAT WE SHOULD CIRCLE BACK, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ON A MONTHLY BASIS JUST FOR UPDATES.
UM, AND IF I'M ABLE TO HELP THEM IN ANY WAY.
SO, UH, AARON, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
SINCE THE, SINCE THE TREE LAW IS THE TOWER'S LARGEST MONEY MONEYMAKER, UH,
RIGHT? SO IN THEORY, THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, SPEND IS PART-TIME WITH THE TOWN RIGHT NOW.
AND, AND THAT'S CERTAINLY FOR 2021.
AND HE IS HAVING A HARD TIME STAYING WITHIN HIS ALLOTTED HOURS.
UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS, HOMEOWNERS PARTICULARLY, BUT EVEN TREE SERVICE COMPANIES THAT REALLY NEED THE SIT DOWN, OR THE ZOOM, I SHOULD SAY, TO WALK THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS, GET THEM FAMILIAR, LET THEM HAVE ERRORS, ASK THEIR QUESTIONS, GET IT WRONG A SECOND TIME,
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AND THEN FIRM IT UP.IT SEEMS LIKE BARTLETT NOW, AT LEAST TWO OF THEIR REPRESENTATIVES, ARE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH WHAT WE NEED AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
UM, WE'VE WORKED WITH THE, THE KIRA TREES IN OUT OF ELMSFORD, SO THEY'RE GETTING A LITTLE FAMILIAR WITH IT.
AND NOW SOME OF THE SMALLER SCALE FOLKS ARE AS WELL.
THE HOMEOWNERS ARE HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME.
AND WHILE WE'VE STEERED THEM TOWARDS THE INSTRUCTIONS, THEY REALLY WANT A HELPING HAND.
YOU KNOW, THE INSTRUCTIONS ARE ARE GREAT AND, AND YOU KNOW, IF I SAT DOWN WITH MY SON, I COULD PROBABLY GET HIM TO DO IT AND HE'S NINE.
BUT, UM, IT, IT TAKES A LOT OF TIME AND PEOPLE WANT THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE BY THEIR SIDE, IF YOU WILL, TO KIND OF HELP THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS OF SAYING, HEY, LOOK, I'VE NEVER HAD TO FILE ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE.
I'VE BEEN IN THE TOWN FOR 40 YEARS.
CAN YOU JUST HELP ME
SO AS I SAID IN THEORY, I, I THINK IF THINGS DEVELOP AND WE GO TO SOMEBODY THAT'S FULL-TIME, UM, PERHAPS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD OCCUR.
BUT, UM, IT WOULD ONLY OPEN TO THE DISCUSSION.
IT WOULD ONLY WORK IF HE WERE WILLING TO COMMIT MORE HOURS IN A WEEK AND WE WOULD CHARGE A FEE FOR, HE'S DOING HOW MANY X I DON'T REMEMBER.
IF, IF HE WERE DOING 25, UH, WE WOULD CHARGE A FEE FOR THE LAST 10 AND THAT WOULD SOMEWHAT DEFER, NOT TOTALLY, BUT DEFER THE COST OF THE 15 THAT WE'RE PAYING.
SO IT'S A DISCUSSION WE CAN HAVE.
I WOULD NEED TO FIND OUT FROM HIM IF HE WERE EVEN INTERESTED, WHICH I KNOW WHEN WE ORIGINALLY BROUGHT HIM ABOARD, BEING THAT HE'S HAD BEEN SEMI-RETIRED, UH, HE WAS OKAY WITH A PART-TIME POSITION, BUT, UM, HE AND I SPOKE TODAY OR YESTERDAY AND HE SAID, GOSH, YOU KNOW, I'M REALLY GETTING A LOT OF CALLS, EMAILS AND, AND TRYING TO HELP PEOPLE AND IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE IT'S CLOSE TO CLOSE TO A FULL-TIME POSITION.
AND I SAID, WELL, I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO HELP YOU THE BEST I CAN AND YOU CAN ONLY DO WHAT YOU CAN WITHIN THE HOURS YOU'RE PERMITTED TO WORK.
SO, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA WORK THINGS OUT.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE FEEL LIKE BETWEEN THE TWO OF US, WE HAVE A HANDLE ON THINGS AND, UH, WE'RE GETTING BETTER AT EACH DAY.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS I GOT, I DUNNO IF YOU CAN SEE THIS, IS THIS REQUEST TO LIST US IN THIS, UM, THIS PLANT POLLINATE IS IN WILDLIFE RESOURCE GUIDE.
IT SEEMS TO BE BEING PUT OUT THOUGH BY HEALTHY YARDS.
SO IT SEEMS TO BE PUT OUT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE HEALTHY YARDS IS, KIND OF, THEY'RE GETTING ADVERTISEMENTS AND UM, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT MIGHT BE, I'M NOT QUITE SURE IT ISN'T A FOR PROFIT ORGANIZATION, BUT WE HAD A REQUEST WHETHER WE WANT IT TO BE LISTED IN THIS GUIDE.
DO YOU, DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS, AARON? 'CAUSE WE DON'T DO ANYTHING THAT RELATES TO SOMEONE MAKING MONEY.
I WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
TERRY, IF YOU WANT TO EMAIL IT TO ME, I'LL SEND IT TO, BECAUSE I GUESS MY FEELING WAS, UM, THAT THEY'RE PROMOTING SUPPOSEDLY SUSTAINABLE LANDSCAPING AND, UH, WE PROMOTE ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS IN WESTCHESTER AND AS PART OF OUR MISSIONS, AND THEY'RE CALLED HEALTHY YARDS DO ORG.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU, I ALWAYS HAVE THIS FEELING THAT'S THAT UM, PEOPLE ARE TAKING THE ENVIRONMENT TO BE THE NEW PLACE TO BE TO, TO FIND THE JOB FOR THEMSELVES AND RIGHT.
SO I JUST, UH, I'LL SEND THAT ON TO YOU, AARON.
AND UNLESS IT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY IS TOTALLY, UH, PRO BONO, I THINK THAT, WE'LL I PERSONALLY, AS MIKE SAID, I DON'T THINK WE BELONG IN IT AND I DON'T WANNA ASSOCIATE OURSELVES WITH IT BECAUSE THAT BECOMES AN ENDORSEMENT FOR SOMETHING.
YEAH, WE, UM, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT HAVE TRIED TO, NOTHING, I MEAN, NOT FOR BAD REASONS, BUT HAVE TRIED TO KINDA ASSOCIATE US WITH GOOD STUFF, BUT IT WAS COMMERCIAL AND WE, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR MISSION IS TO ADVISE THE TOWN BOARD AND TO WORK WITH, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSIONER AND ON ENVIRONMENTAL THINGS.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, UH, DON'T GET INVOLVED IN COM, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL THINGS, EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY BE GOOD.
JUST, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I LOOKED AT IT AND I SAID,
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YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN FIND OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT BEFORE WE RESPOND.UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, MIKE, YOU WEREN'T HERE, BUT YOU KNOW, AARON HAD PASSED ON A NOTE FROM HASTINGS THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING, THEIR C A C ON THE INVASIVES.
UNFORTUNATELY, STEPHANIE ISN'T HERE TONIGHT, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD WORK WITH HASTINGS ON TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, PUTTING OUT SOMETHING.
'CAUSE I HAVE POINTED OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IN MY EMAIL BACK THAT WE HAD BEEN TALKING ABOUT HAVING PAUL DO AN E-BLAST.
AND REALLY I THINK THE BIGGEST WAY IS JUST TO GET PEOPLE TO ATTACK THIS IN THEIR OWN BACKYARDS WOULD BE A WONDERFUL, UM, ACCOMPLISHMENT.
UM, AND START SMALL RATHER THAN THINKING WE'RE GONNA GO OUT AND TAKE CARE OF THE PARKWAYS OR SOMETHING.
UH, THE OTHER THING IS THAT, UM, WE, WELL, I GUESS THERE ARE TWO WAYS.
WHY DON'T WE TALK, DO YOU WANNA TALK, SHOULD WE TALK NEXT ABOUT THE MEETING TODAY, MIKE, A LITTLE BIT, DO YOU THINK? SURE.
WELL, WE, WELL, WHY DON'T YOU GIVE 'EM A BACKGROUND ON WHO WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH AND THEN WE'LL COME TO TODAY.
WE'VE HAD MEETING, I THINK YOU ALL REMEMBER THE TOWN BOARD APPOINTED A COMMITTEE TO BASICALLY DRAFT ALLURE, UM, FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THE STORAGE BATTERIES.
NOW THE THING ABOUT THE STORAGE BATTERIES, THEY RANGE IN SIZE BASICALLY FROM SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD PUT ON A PRIVATE HOUSE TO BACK UP THE, AND PROVIDE ELECTRIC FOR A PRIVATE HOME.
UM, COULD BE EVEN YOU HAD SOLAR PANELS ON YOUR HOUSE AND YOU WOULD ACTUALLY RUNNING COMPLETELY OFF OF THESE SOLO PANELS.
UM, THEN YOU HAVE, IT'S BECOMES A VERY SIZING ISSUE.
THEN YOU HAVE KIND OF THESE HUNDRED PLUS KILOWATT BATTERIES VERY OFTEN.
THERE ARE TWO OF THESE ACTUALLY LOCATED ON, UM, FACILITIES IN ONE 19 WHERE THEY'RE BEING USED.
AND WE LEARNED A NEW TERM TODAY OFF WIRE, BUT THEY'RE NOT BEING USED IN TERMS OF CON ED'S GRID, BUT THEY'RE BEING USED ON THE PROPERTY FOR, UM, BACKUP RESOURCE FOR A BUILDING THERE IN THE CASE OF ONE, IT'S A SUPERMARKET THAT THEY HAVE IT JUST, I GUESS IN CASE THEY'RE FREE, WE LOSE THE ELECTRIC AND THEY HAVE FREEZES.
SO, UH, AND THAT'S A, A, A USE THAT SEEMS LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A, A DIFFERENT USE THAN WE'VE HAD PEOPLE WHO CAME IN, UM, WITH TWO APPLICATIONS ON CENTRAL AVENUE WITH THE SAME TYPE OF BATTERY, BUT THEY WERE GONNA HOOK INTO THE DISTRIBUTION LINES, WHICH ARE THE LINES THAT RUN BY OUR HOUSES.
THEN THE OTHER TYPE OF USE IS THE REALLY BIG ONES, LIKE THE 20 MEGAWATT ONE THAT THEY WANNA HOOK INTO THE SUBSTATION.
SO WE HAD A PRESENTATION TODAY FROM A REPRESENTATIVE FROM CONED, AND I THOUGHT HE WAS VERY FORTHCOMING AND HELPFUL AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AARON IS GOING, OR THIS GARRETT IS GOING TO LOOK INTO, THEY HAVE A TOOL WHERE YOU CAN FIND OUT WHERE THE DIFFERENT HOOKUPS COULD BE PUT.
AND I THINK WE CAME OUTTA THAT MEETING.
UM, I FELT A LOT MORE INFORMATION TO WORK WITH THAN WE HAD BEFORE UNDERSTANDING WHAT CON'S VIEW OF SOME OF THIS WAS AND WHERE THE POTENTIAL WAS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THE VERY LARGE SIZE INSTALLATIONS.
AND, UM, ALSO THE FACT THAT A LOT OF THE TALK, EVEN FROM NYSERDA, HAS BEEN DRAFTING A LAW BASED ON SIZE ALONE.
AND I THINK AT THE END OF THE MEETING, I WOULD SAY THERE WAS A, A CONSENSUS GROWING AMONG THE PEOPLE IN OUR MEETING.
THAT SIZE WASN'T THE ONLY ISSUE, USE AND LOCATION WITH TWO VERY BIG ISSUES THAT HAD TO BE FACTORED INTO THE SIZE EQUATION.
WELL NOW LEMME MAKE THIS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED.
UM, THIS IS GOOD, GOOD, GOOD, GOOD, GOOD.
WHEN IT IS USED ON SITE, WHEN, UH, SOMEONE HAS A SOLAR SYSTEM ON THE, ON THE ROOF OF THEIR HOUSE, AND, AND SOLARS DON'T NECESSARILY, LIKE IN GERMANY, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY ON THE ROOF.
THEY'RE DECORATIVE LITTLE THINGS ON THE SIDEWALK UP TO, UH, UP TO, UH, YOUR FRONT DOOR.
UM, AND YOU TIE THAT INTO A, A BA A BATTERY PACK AND SAY, UM, AND, UM, UM, THAT'S JUST REALLY GOOD.
NOW THE QUESTION BECOMES, THIS IS NOT PURE GREEN ENERGY AT THIS POINT IN TIME WHEN IT COMES OFF THE GRID AND GOES BACK INTO THE GRID.
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BUT IT IS IN THE CONTEXT OF THE NEW YORK STATE CLIMATE ACT, WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN 2019, WHICH SETS THE FOLLOWING TARGETS FOR NEW YORK STATE, UH, ELECTRICAL GRID BY 2030, ACCORDING TO THE 1929, THE 19, SORRY, ACCORDING TO THE 20 CLIMATE ACT, UH, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE 75% RENEWABLE ENERGY.THAT IS 75% OF THE ELECTRICITY THAT WE USE IN NINE YEARS IS SUPPOSED TO COME FROM WIND TO SUN, WATER, NUCLEAR, UH, NUCLEAR.
BUT WE'RE KILLING NUCLEAR, UH, AT LEAST DOWN HERE.
SO, UM, UH, THEY MAY HAVE SOME UPSTATE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY KILLING NUCLEAR, UH, DOWN IN LOWER WESTCHESTER.
UM, SO THERE'S ALSO GEOTHERMAL, UM, NOW HOW WE GO FROM WHERE RIGHT NOW CON HAS ABOUT A 17% GREEN PROFILE IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY IS ON THEIR GRID.
AND THAT'S BEFORE INDIAN POINT GOES OFFLINE.
UM, SAY THAT NUMBER AGAIN, MIKE.
I'M SORRY, HOW MUCH? 70% CONED GREEN PROFILES ARE ABOUT 17% MORE GRID.
A LOT HUGE OF IT'S A HYDRO FROM CANADA.
YEAH, HUGE PART OF IT IS INDIAN POINT, BUT IT'S, IT'S GOING OFFLINE THOUGH.
I DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHEN IT'S GOING OFFLINE.
UH, I'M SURE IT'S AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNET AS TO WHEN IT'S GOING OFFLINE.
UM, BUT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET 70% THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF NEW YORK GREEN ENERGY, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW IN THE HELL THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
UM, AND THEN BY 10 YEARS LATER, 2040, IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF GREEN ENERGY.
UM, AT SOME POINT IN TIME BETWEEN 2030 AND 2040, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUT A BOILER IN YOUR HOUSE THAT IS RUN BY FOSSIL FUELS, WHETHER IT BE, UM, UH, UH, OIL OR WHETHER IT BE NATURAL GAS.
AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO MORE NEW NATURAL GAS, UH, HOOKUPS IN SOUTHERN WESTCHESTER CONED SYSTEM.
UM, IT'S ALL SUPPOSED TO BE ELECTRICITY.
AND BY 2030, UM, THE ELECTRICITY IS SUPPOSED TO BE SU 70% OF IT'S SUPPLIED BY, UH, UM, WHAT THEY CALL RENEWABLES AND, UH, NON-FOSSIL FUELS.
AND, UM, BY 2040, A HUNDRED PERCENT IS SUPPOSED TO BE BY NON-COMBUSTIBLE FOSSIL FUELS.
NOW, WHERE DO BATTERY ENERGIES STORAGE PLAY INTO THIS? 'CAUSE THEY DO NOT, PER SE, GENERATE ELECTRICITY.
THEY STORE ELECTRICITY ENERGY GENERATED BY ANOTHER SOURCE AND THEN PUT IT BACK INTO THE GRID.
UM, AS WE'VE SEEN IN TEXAS, MANY OF THE NON-RENEWABLE ARE NOT RELIABLE IN THESE STREAM CONDITIONS, PARTICULARLY IN, IN WINTER CONDITIONS.
AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY MUCH MORE SEVERE WINTER CONDITIONS IN, IN, YOU KNOW, IN, UH, THE NORTHEAST CORRIDOR THAN YOU HAVE IN, UH, IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
UM, THE, UH, UH, THE WIND, THE, THE WIND, THE TURBINES FROZE, THE WIND TURBINES FROZE UP AND, UM, UH, PIPELINE, IF YOU DON'TS FROZE.
I'M SORRY, WHAT? MARGARET? THE PIPELINES PIPELINES FROZE.
THE PIPELINES FROZE UP BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY DIDN'T HAVE IT ENOUGH, DEEP ENOUGH IN THE GROUND.
AND, UM, UM, UH, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T EXPECT WEATHER LIKE THAT.
AND, UH, THEN, UH, AND, UH, AND WITHOUT SUN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT GENERATING ANY, UM, ANY, UH, NEW, UM, YEAH, YEAH.
SO WHAT THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGES DO WHEN YOU BUY IT OFF THE GRID AND YOU PUT IT BACK INTO THE GRID, IS THAT IT, UM, HELPS PROVIDE, UM, HE HAD A WORD FOR IT, I DON'T REMEMBER, BUT IT HELPS BRIDGE THE GAPS WHEN, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE WORD HE WAS USING, TERRY, DO YOU REMEMBER? UH, NO, BUT I MEAN, HE'S, BASICALLY, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS THAT THE HOPE IS THAT, UM, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE TO PRODUCE LESS FOSSIL FUEL BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HOLD THIS ENERGY IN THE BATTERIES.
SO THE NIGHT WHEN THE USAGE IS LOW, IT'LL GO INTO THE BATTERIES, AND THEN WHEN THE SPIKE DURING THE DAY COMES, THEY CAN DRAIN IT OUT OF THE BATTERIES.
SO THEY HAVE TO PRODUCE LESS ENERGY WITH THAT, WITH FOSSIL FUEL.
HE SAID IT WAS TO BALANCE THE CONED RENEWABLES, UH, BY BALANCING IS WHAT TERRY JUST DESCRIBED.
DO YOU BUY IT HOPEFULLY FROM A GREEN ENERGY SOURCE AT 2:00 AM IN THE MORNING AND, UM, THEN SELL IT BACK, UM, UH, WHEN THERE'S MORE OF A DEMAND.
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ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE ASKED SPECIFICALLY WAS, WE ARE TOLD BY EVERYONE THAT'S PROMOTING BATTERY ENERGY, ENERGY STORAGE FACILITIES, IT HELPS YOUR LOCAL COMMUNITY.AND WHAT HE SAID WAS, AND WE, HE, WE DISCUSSED THIS WITH HIM TWICE, WHEN YOU GO BACK OVER THE GRID, GO BACK INTO THE GRID, CON ED HAS NOTHING ABSOLUTELY ZERO TO DO WITH WHERE THOSE ELECTRONS GO.
REALLY, ONCE YOU INTO THE GRID, IT GOES, IT IS GOVERNED BY SOMETHING CALLED THE NEW YORK I S O.
AND THE I S O IS THE INDEPENDENT SYSTEM OPERATOR.
IT'S LO THEY HAVE TWO LOCATIONS IN THE CAPITAL REGION, WHICH IS BY ALBANY, NEW YORK.
AND THE NEW YORK I S O DETERMINES WHERE NEW YORK IS GETTING ENERGY FROM WHICH, WHICH AVAIL, UH, WHICH AVAILABLE SOURCES IT'S GONNA PUT ONLINE.
AND IT DETERMINES WHERE IT GOES.
SO THIS KI SO UNLESS YOU'RE DOING WITH THE TYPE OF THINGS TERRY DESCRIBED EARLIER, IT'S AT YOUR HOME OR IT'S IN A OFFICE, UM, UH, AN OFFICE BUILDING COMPLEX, OR UNLESS IT'S IN A SHOPPING CENTER, AND IT GOES FOR, IT GOES FOR USES ON SITE, UNLESS IT'S AN ONSITE USE, THIS CONCEPT THAT IT HELPS THE LOCAL COMMUNITY IS TOTALLY FALSE, IS ABSOLUTELY FALSE.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT TERRY'S NOT SAYING THAT, BUT IT'S FALSE THAT IT HELPS YOUR LOCAL COMMUNITY.
IT HELPS THAT, HE SAID THIS SEVERAL TIMES, IT HELPS THE NEW YORK.
HE SAYS IT HAS STATEWIDE BENEFITS.
THE ONES THAT GO BACK TO THE GRID HAVE STATEWIDE BENEFITS.
'CAUSE IT GOES INTO THE I S O SYSTEM, THE INDEPENDENT SYSTEM OPERATORS SYSTEM.
BUT IT CONED CONED CANNOT DIRECT THAT ELECTRICITY TO GREENBERG OR TO THE UNINCORPORATED VILLAGE OR, OR TO, OR TO A VILLAGE OR ANYTHING.
IT'S, I SO A STATE AGENCY, MIKE, IT'S A STATE AGENCY.
IT, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A STATE AGENCY, I BELIEVE, I DON'T REALLY KNOW.
I TRIED TO DO A LITTLE RESEARCH ON THE I S O AFTER, UM, AFTER HE STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT.
BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW, FOR US TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THE I I O IS.
TELL ME WHAT'S, WHAT'S IT STAND FOR AGAIN? INDEPENDENT.
WHAT? INDEPENDENT, IF YOU LOOK UP NEW YORK INDEPENDENT SYSTEM OPERATOR, OKAY.
I FOUND A COUPLE, UH, I FOUND SOMETHING THERE PUT OUT BY NEW YORK STATE, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, 30,000 FOOT LEVEL GLOSSY.
UM, I FOUND SOMETHING ACTUALLY PUT OUT, STARTED READING, FINALLY FOUND A WEBSITE BY THE I S O, UH, A LOT OF IT DEVOTED TO HOW INDEPENDENT THEY ARE.
I DON'T KNOW, INDEPENDENT FROM WHAT, I DIDN'T QUITE FIGURE THAT OUT.
BUT, UH, AND, UM, AND I HAVE SEVEN OR NINE MEMBERS OF A BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO REALLY FIND OUT WHAT THAT IS, BUT I I DO, IT IS ABSOLUTELY CRYSTAL CLEAR.
THEY CONTROL WHETHER WE'RE BUYING HYDRO FROM CANADA, WHETHER WE'RE LIGHTING UP A FOSSIL FUEL PLANT, WHETHER WE ARE USING WIND.
THEY CONTROL THE ENERGY THAT COMES IN AND THEY CONTROL WHERE IT GOES.
AND CONED DONE EVERYTHING TO SAY, SAY WITH IT, UH, A NEW YORK STATE GAS AND ELECTRIC DOESN'T, UH, YOU KNOW, NYSERDA, NOTHING, UH UH, NY NYSERDA IS A GOVERNMENT AGENCY.
BUT THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T CONTROL ISO NO, THEY DO NOT.
WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU HEAR THE WORDS NYSERDA, YOUR MIND SHOULD SAY, GOVERNOR CUOMO.
GOVERNOR CUOMO IS WHO CONTROLS NYSERDA.
NYSERDA GIVES, UM, $350 MILLION FOR BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE FACILITY.
THEY GIVE, UH, IF YOU PUT SOLAR IN YOUR HOUSE, YOU GET A, SOME KIND OF REBATE.
IF YOU DO GEOTHERMAL, YOU GET A REBATE.
IT'S ALL IMPLEMENTING THE GOVERNOR'S ENERGY POLICY.
SO WHEN YOU HEAR ERDA, YOU SHOULD, YOU SHOULD YOUR MIND SHOULD SAY, GONNA COME UP.
I I'M SURE HE, UH, APPOINTS A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD OF NYSERDA.
UH, THERE MAY BE SOME, I I NEVER LOOKED AT THAT, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S, THAT'S NORMALLY THE CASE WITH THOSE TYPE OF ORGANIZATIONS.
UM, NOW THE ISSUE THEN BECOMES, OH, THE OTHER FACT IS WHEN WE HEARD THE NYSERDA REPRESENTATIVE, SHE SAID, WE ASKED THE QUESTION BECAUSE TERRY'S ASKED THIS SEVERAL TIMES, WHY DON'T YOU PUT THIS STUFF UP, YOU KNOW, UP, UH, UPSTATE, YOU KNOW, AS I'VE COMMENTED, YOU KNOW, WE GOT PLENTY OF COMMUNITIES UPSTATE NEW YORK WHERE THEY GOT MORE COWS AND THEY GOT PEOPLE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T YOU PUT IT UP THERE? AS OPPOSED TO PUTTING IT
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HERE IN THE MIDDLE.WE HAVE 45, 40 7,000 PEOPLE IN 20 SQUARE MILES.
AND, UM, UH, SO THE ERDA REPRESENTATIVE, UH, UM, SAID, WELL, SHE THOUGHT YOU LOSE 20.
SHE WASN'T SURE THE NUMBER, BUT SHE THOUGHT YOU LOSE ABOUT 20% OF YOUR ENERGY WHEN YOU MOVED IT.
WELL, I'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH ON THAT.
AND ACCORDING TO THE UNITED STATES ENERGY INFORMATION AGENCY, YOU LOSE 5% THE AVERAGE OF, UH, FOR MOVING, UH, WHAT THEY CALL MOVING AND DISTRIBUTION IS 5%.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND ANY STATISTICS AS TO WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS IN THE NORTHEAST CORRIDOR.
BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, YOU THINK ABOUT MONTANA AND WYOMING, AND EVEN KANSAS AND IOWA, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LONG WAY FROM, UM, UH, FROM, UH, ENERGY PRODUCING, UH, PLANT TO, YOU KNOW, A FARM IN IOWA OR TO A, A SMALL TOWN IN MONTANA.
SO MY GUESS IS 5% IS KIND OF HIGH FOR THE NORTHEAST CORRIDOR, BUT I'M NOT POSITIVE.
THAT'S JUST REASONING OF MINE.
BUT JUST THINKING THAT YOU, WE GOT A LOT OF PLACES OUT IN THE WEST THAT THERE ARE HUGE DISTANCES AND YOU'RE MORE LIKELY TO LOSE IT OVER A LONG DISTANCE.
SO AS IT TURNS OUT, IT IS NOT SO UNFEASIBLE TO SAY, HEY, IF WE AIN'T HELPING GREENBERG, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THIS STUFF HERE? WITH A TECHNOLOGY THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA MEET IN TWO WEEKS WITH US, THE ORGANIZATION TOWN BOARD HIRED FOR FIRE SAFETY.
BUT THIS IS A TECHNOLOGY THAT PROBABLY NOT QUITE MATURE YET, OR MAY NOT BE TYPE QUITE MATURE YET.
AND THE QUESTION IS, WHY ARE WE PUTTING IT HERE? IF IT AIN'T REALLY HELPING US, EXCEPT WHEN IT'S USEFUL FOR ON SITE USE, OR IF WE'RE PUTTING IT HERE, WHY ARE WE PUTTING IT IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS? 'CAUSE THAT AFFECTS A SUBURBAN COMMUNITY.
I MEAN, IF YOU WANT THIS ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOU, IF THERE HAPPENED TO BE AN ACRE ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOU OR, OR TWO HALF OR ACRE LOTS OR SOME, SOMEBODY BOUGHT UP AND, AND COMBINED, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA AFFECT THE VALUE OF YOUR HOUSE.
SO, UM, DO YOU WANT THAT IN THE SUBURBAN WHEN IT DOESN'T HELP THE COMMUNITY? IT, IT JUST HELPS NEW YORK STATE AT THE LARGE.
SO THAT WAS MY TAKEAWAY FROM WHERE WE ARE NOW.
I, I I I'M BEGINNING TO FORM IDEAS, I THINK.
TERRY, WHAT DO YOU WANNA ADD? THE OTHER THING I WOULD ADD IS THAT I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO
AND TODAY WE HAD IT CONFIRMED THAT IN FACT WE WERE RIGHT, THAT ONCE IT WENT ON, ONCE IT WENT ON THE WIRES, IT, YOU KNOW, IT JUST WEBBED.
IT DIDN'T, DIDN'T GET, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, IT WAS COUNTERINTUITIVE TO WHAT WOULD YOU SAY MY, MY LIMITED KNOWLEDGE OF, OF SCIENCE IN THAT SENSE.
BUT, BUT I, I BASICALLY DIDN'T THINK IT MADE SENSE.
BUT WE HAD TWO PE TWO APPLICANTS PRESENT IT AS THOUGH THAT WERE ONE OF THE BENEFITS YEAH.
FOR THE COMMUNITY, WHICH WHEN PEOPLE ARE DISINGENUOUS LIKE THAT, IT PUTS ME OFF FROM THEM TO BE VERY HONEST.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU COME IN AND YOU START TO GILD LILY TO THAT DEGREE, WHERE IT REALLY IS, IS TOTALLY UNTRUE.
IT REALLY BOTHERS ME ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE YOU TELL ME.
I THINK THAT'S A NORMAL REACTION OF ANYBODY.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU TELL ME SOMETHING AND I, AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THING I START FINDING OUT THAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME, SOME OF IT ISN'T ACCURATE, IT JUST PUTS ME OFF ANYTHING ELSE YOU'RE TELLING ME.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE ON THAT ONE.
AND IT ACTUALLY IS MOVING ON QUITE QUICKLY.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY TIME TO DO ANY RESEARCH? IS WHAT IN THE HELL IS THIS NEW YORK IO? I DO.
I DON'T HAVE ANY TIME, BUT I'M VERY CURIOUS AND I'LL, I MEAN, I'LL FIND OUT.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE 20 PAGES.
WHATEVER I CAN, I'LL JUST DO IT.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT COMES FROM, WHO, WHO GIVES IT ITS AUTHORITY, WHO CONTROLS IT.
I SAID, IS IT AN AGENCY? IT'S A STATE AGENCY.
I JUST, THAT WAS THE FIRST THING I WOULD THINK.
BUT I DO KNOW, SCOTT, I MEAN, IT'S, IT IS GOD, IT'S WHERE OUR ELECTRIC WILL, THEY USE ALGORITHMS TO DECIDE.
YEAH, I'M, I'M SURE IT'S ALL DONE WITH COMPUTER PROGRAMS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY MUST BE, YOU KNOW, IT, I'M SURE IT'S ALL JUST THE WAY, YOU KNOW, JUST THE WAY
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BASICALLY MARGARET, THEY DO TRADING NOW ON SOMETHING MOVES AND THEY AUTOMATICALLY PLACE A TRADE.I'M SURE THEY SEE A DIP SOMEWHERE AND THEY SHUTTLE, SHUTTLE THE POWER OFF TO THEM WITH SOME SORT OF INTERNAL, UM, CALCULATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE ANY TIME, BUT I'M SO CURIOUS THAT I'LL FIND OUT.
SO THE OTHER THING, MAYBE MIKE, WE WANNA GO FROM THIS INTO, UM, WHAT SOME OF THIS BACK AND FORTH PHONE CALLS AND SET, YOU KNOW, WE WERE BASICALLY SETTING UP THE, UH, QUESTIONS ONLINE FOR THIS MEETING WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR, OF THE TEAM, UM, FOR THE, UH, HYATT CONSULTANT.
AND IN THE MEANTIME, I KNOW, UM, THIS SILVERMAN HAS SENT ON SOMETHING FROM BEDFORD WHERE THEY, THEY HAVE ALL THESE PLANS FOR, YOU KNOW, TO TAKE BEDFORD OFF OF THE GRID, I GUESS.
BUT MIKE AND I WOULD'VE HAD A SIDEBAR CONVERSATION WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, REALLY ALL OF THIS IS GREAT, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT INCREASED ELECTRIC USE BECAUSE OF THE PUSH TO GO TO ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
SO IF ANYTHING, THE ELECTRIC USE IN THE, IN THE STATE IS GOING TO INCREASE.
AND WE HEARD THAT FROM NYSERDA ALSO.
THERE WASN'T, WE, WE, WE PROJECTED IT, BUT NYSERDA CONFIRMED IT.
SO THEN MIKE AND I WERE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT, WELL, IT REALLY HAS TO MEAN SOMETHING'S GOTTA CHANGE AND IT PROBABLY HAS TO CHANGE AT THE PERSONAL LEVEL, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, SUDDENLY THEY, THEY TURN OFF, YOU'RE USING TOO MUCH GAS TO HEAT YOUR HOUSE, THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, CUT OFF YOUR GAS OR SOMETHING.
OR ARE THERE BETTER WAYS TO BE DOING THIS IN TERMS OF HOUSES THAT ARE BEING BUILT NOW? SO, UM, THIS, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE WOULD BE SOMETHING THE C A C SHOULD BE LOOKING INTO TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN TO SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION, X OR Y SHOULD BE HAPPENING OR BE SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF WAYS YOU CAN SAVE ENERGY.
NOW, I DON'T PERSONALLY KNOW WHAT OUR CRITERIA ARE FOR INSULATION OR, OR HOW, WHAT THE QUALITY IS FOR NEW WINDOWS FOR CONSTRUCTION, NEW CONSTRUCTION, OR EVEN EVEN REPLACEMENTS IN THE TAM, BECAUSE THAT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THE ENERGY USE FOR AIR CONDITIONING AND HEATING.
AND MIKE, MIKE LIKES TO POINT OUT, UM, THAT GEOTHERMAL IS PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO HEAT AND COOL A HOUSE BECAUSE IT BASICALLY IS, IS TOTALLY CARBON FREE OR, OR I GUESS THE PUMP, THE PUMP USES ELECTRIC.
BUT, SO I THINK WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WAS THAT SOMETHING THE CAC C SHOULD BE LOOKING INTO TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE THINK ABOUT IS MAYBE WE SHOULD MAKE A THINK ABOUT A RECOMMENDATION AROUND KIND OF TWO KEY POINTS THAT ALL NEW RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION BE GEOTHERMAL AND ALL NEW COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL, UM, CONSTRUCTION REQUIRED TO HAVE GEOTHERMAL OR SOLAR.
UH, AND IF IT'S SOLAR, EITHER EITHER GEOTHERMAL OR SOLAR COMBINED WITH BATTERY PACKS, UM, UH, SO THAT WE'RE NOT TAXING ANY FURTHER THE, UM, UM, UH, THE, UH, THE GRID.
NOW WE HAVE, WE HAVE SUCH CHEAP L AND G I MAKE WHAT? RIGHT? WE HAVE SUCH CHEAP L AND G, SO CHEAP.
WELL, IT MAY BE CHEAP, THE NATURAL GAS, IT FIRES UP THE ELECTRIC, BUT IT'S GOING SO CHEAP.
I DON'T CARE IF IT'S FREE, IT'S GONNA BE ILLEGAL AFTER 2040 AND AFTER 2030, THE ENTIRE STATE CAN ONLY HAVE 30% OF, OF FOSSIL FUELS.
WHAT WE DO ABOUT THAT? WHAT WE GONNA DO, DARREN? SO I I I DON'T CARE IF IT'S FREE.
I'M TELLING YOU WITH THE CLIMATE ACT, THE I HEAR YOU.
THE ONLY EXAMPLE I KNOW OF, OF GEOTHERMAL HEATING IS THE LIBRARY.
AND THE LIBRARY IS BUILT ON A WHOLE BATCH OF BIG BOULDERS, A LOT OF STONE.
NOW, GREENBERG IS, AS YOU HAVE POINTED OUT SO MANY TIMES, BUILT ON
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STONE, HOW IS GEOTHERMAL GONNA WORK FOR US? THEY SCREWED UP THE DESIGN IN THE LIBRARY.STONE IS THE BEST THING TO USE, GEOTHERMAL WIDTH.
THE REASON THEY SCREWED IT UP IS THERE ARE TWO WAYS THAT YOU CAN DO YOUR DRILLING.
YOU CAN GO DOWN LIKE AN OIL WELL, AND THAT WORKS FOR SOME IDIOTIC REASON.
WHOEVER DID THE GEOTHERMAL DESIGN AT THE LIBRARY, THEY DID A, UM, A HORIZONTAL SYSTEM, NOT A VERTICAL SYSTEM.
AND HORIZONTAL SYSTEMS DON'T WORK.
I DON'T KNOW WHO WAS THE ROCKET SCIENTIST THAT DESIGNED THE SYSTEM AT THE LIBRARY.
I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK THE ISSUE THOUGH, SHARON, IS THAT IT WASN'T DONE CORRECTLY.
AND ALSO THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING WITH THAT VERY HIGH, UH, AREA THAT IS JUST EMPTY AIR WAS A BAD DESIGN FOR, FOR HEATING.
I MEAN, I REMEMBER QUESTIONING IT AND HAVING SOMEONE SAY
AND I HAD SOMEONE SAY, DON'T, DON'T, DON'T YOU APPRECIATE DESIGN.
AND IT WAS, AND IT WAS JUST A REMAKE OF THE TWA TERMINAL FROM, FROM THE SIXTIES.
BUT YOU KNOW, IT WAS LIKE, THAT WAS, IF YOU REMEMBER, UH, SHARON, YOU MAY HAVE BEEN ON THE, THE C A C AT THAT TIME, BUT UM, DO YOU REMEMBER VIC WINES, WEINSTEIN WAS HIS NAME.
HE, HE WAS VIC AND HE HAD BEEN IN REAL ESTATE AT, UM, I B M.
AND HE WAS ABSOLUTELY THE LOVELIEST PERSON IN THE WORLD.
AND THE LIBRARY BOARD, PAUL ASKED HIM TO HELP THEM BECAUSE THE LIBRARY BOARD AT THAT TIME HAD NOBODY WHO HAD ANY KIND OF BACKGROUND IN CONSTRUCTION.
AND THEY WOULDN'T LET VIC TALK AT THE MEETINGS OR SAY ANYTHING TO THEM.
SO I WOULDN'T BLAME GEOTHERMAL, I'D BLAME THE PROCESS THAT IT, IT WENT IN.
WELL, AS I SAID, THAT IS THE ONLY EXAMPLE I KNOW OF GEOTHERMAL.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE EXAMPLES WHERE IT HAS WORKED WELL, THAT'S WHY WE, THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT, SHARON.
SO WE WERE KIND OF HOPING THAT MAYBE GEORGE, NANCY, OH, OH, UM, MICHELLE SAYS, WHOLE FOOD IS GEOTHERMAL.
SO THERE'S ONE IN WHITE PLAINS WE CAN CHECK ON.
UH, BUT THAT'S THE PUR THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS.
TO SEE WHETHER IN TERMS OF GREENBERG DOING SOMETHING FOR GREENBERG AS OPPOSED TO THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE, OR WE DO SOMETHING FOR THE STATE, UM, SHOULD WE SAY, SHOULD WE AT LEAST START STUDYING? SHOULD, ARE, ARE THERE THINGS WE SHOULD SUGGEST WITH REGARD TO NEW RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION AND WITH REGARD TO NEW COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION? AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, BUT THE QUESTION IS WHETHER WE SHOULD, IT'S A QUESTION IS WHETHER WE SHOULD STUDY IT.
WE'RE KIND LIMITED THOUGH TO THE, UM, TECHNOLOGY THAT EXISTS NOW.
I THINK, I THINK THE THING IS, THE REGS RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REGS ARE.
AND, AND I THINK SOMETIMES WHAT YOU FIND IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE HUGE INCREASES IN THINGS.
AND, AND ALSO IN ADDITION TO WHAT MIKE WAS SAYING ABOUT THE LAW, EVEN IF THEY CHANGE THE LAW, THE ESTIMATE IS THAT WE WILL HAVE INCREASED NEED FOR ENERGY.
SO IF WE DON'T COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE, WE'RE GONNA BURN MORE FOSSIL FUEL.
'CAUSE WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO ERDA, WE BROUGHT UP, WELL, IF YOU'RE GONNA SWITCH EVERYBODY OVER TO, TO ELECTRIC CARS, THAT'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF ELECTRIC THAT WE'RE NOT CURRENTLY PULLING OUT.
AND THAT'S A BIG ELECTRIC POOL.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT TURNING ON YOUR LIGHTS.
SO WE HAVE, MY FIRM HAS SOMETHING CALLED THE EVIDENCE LAB, AND WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON THIS AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE GOOD.
WHAT WE THINK IS GONNA HAPPEN WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLES, THE, THE NEED FOR ELECTRICITY.
IT'S NOT LOCALIZED, YOU KNOW, IT'S NATIONAL.
UM, BUT IT'S REALLY QUITE, UM, YOU KNOW, COUNTERINTUITIVE AND, UM, HAPPY TO SHARE.
NO, DID YOU WANT'S GO? NO, NOW, NOT NOW.
I'M JUST SAYING, I, I, I'VE, YEAH, SO, SO, SO FOR ME, FOR ME, I MEAN, THE ASPIRATIONAL THING FOR ME, AND IT DOESN'T MATTER, LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE TODAY.
BUT THE ASPIRATIONAL THING FOR ME IS BATTERY STORAGE IS, UM, IT'S, IT, IT'S WHAT WE NEED IT, IT'S WHAT WE NEED TO GET OFF THE GRID.
WE NEED EFFICIENT BATTERY STORAGE AND WE DON'T HAVE IT.
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MARGARET, EXPLAIN THAT, BECAUSE WHAT WE HEARD TODAY IS BATTERY STORAGE DOES NOT GET YOU OFF THE GRID.WE WANT BATTERY STORAGE TO GET US OFF THE GRID.
THAT'S NOT GONNA BURN OUR HOUSES DOWN.
UM, AND, AND I, IT JUST, I MEAN THE MARGARET, THE SCIENTISTS, THE SCIENTISTS TODAY SAY IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT GONNA EVER EXIST.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU JUST SAY IT AGAIN.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT BAT WHAT KIND OF BATTERY STORAGE.
BATTERY STORAGE THAT TAKES THE SUN WHEN THE SUN'S THAT TAKE THE SUNLIGHT WHEN IT'S NOT SHINING, TAKES THE WIND WHEN THE WIND'S NOT BLOWING AND IT STORES IT TO GET YOU OFF THE GRID.
WHEN THAT STUFF ISN'T HAPPENING, IT DOESN'T EXIST.
AND OUR SCIENTISTS IN THE EVIDENCE LAB, THEY DON'T THINK IT'S PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE.
AND IT'S NOT, BATTERY'S NOT GONNA DO IT.
SO, SO YOU'RE, THE SCIENTISTS AT U V S DON'T THINK THAT THE BATTERY, THAT THE, THAT THE BATTERY STORAGES FOR YOU AND FOR AND FOR, RIGHT? YEAH.
FOR, YEAH, WE KNOW FOR CURRENT IT LASTS 10 OR 12 HOURS.
SO WHAT, WHAT ARE THEY SAYING ABOUT, ARE THEY SAYING IT CAN NEVER BE DEVELOPED? NO, HERE'S I JUST TOLD YOU BEFORE, UM, ALAN JIG IS THE BRIDGE, AND YOU DON'T CARE IF IT'S FREE GAS IS YOU DON'T CARE IF IT'S FREE.
THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA TAKE US FROM HERE TO THERE BECAUSE IT'S SO CHEAP.
I'LL SEND YOU THE REPORTS, YOU'LL READ 'EM.
WELL, SOMEHOW THEY DIDN'T CONSULT WITH GOVERNOR.
I THINK GOVERNOR CUOMO'S A LITTLE BUSY.
WELL, MARGARET, NOW, NOW YOU'VE EXPLAINED WHY MY OIL STOCK HAS BEEN GOING UP.
CAN I, CAN I SAY SOMETHING? SURE, SURE.
MY NAME IS MURRAY BODEN IN GREENBERG, RICHARD FA, WHO WAS THE COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS, WAS INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN NEW YORKTOWN INSTALLATION OF A TESLA BATTERY.
THE M T A NEW BUS IS DEVELOPING LOCALIZED BATTERIES SIMILAR TO THE TESLA BATTERY THAT'S IN, UH, YORKTOWN.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD DO IS ASK A RICH FAWN TO COME AND EXPLAIN TO YOU THE WHOLE SYSTEM.
LARGELY SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE ORDERING THREE OF THOSE BATTERIES, ONE FOR EACH OF THE UNITS OF THE, UH, CAMPUSES.
THE CONCEPT OF THE TESLA BATTERY OR OTHER SIMILAR TYPES IS FULLY DEVELOPED.
AND ANYBODY TELLS YOU THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE HERE, THEY'RE WRONG.
THE SHOULD ARE WE GETTING MARY? I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S SAYING IT'S NOT GOING TO BE HERE.
I THINK THE ISSUE IS MORE, ONE OF THE EXPECTATION OF WHAT IT CAN DO FOR US IS PERHAPS BEING OVERESTIMATED.
AND I THINK WHEN WE'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AGAIN, I THINK WHAT MIKE AND I WERE TRYING TO STRESS IS THAT WHEN WE WERE HEARING FROM THE PERSON FROM CONED, IT IS THIS USE ON SITE, WHICH THAT HE REFERRED TO AS OFF THE WIRE, WHICH IS WHERE YOU GET THE REAL ENERGY SAVINGS IN TERMS OF YOU'RE NOT TAKING ENERGY, UM, YOU, YOU'RE REALLY IMPROVING THE PROBLEM.
LIKE IF YOU, IF YOU PUT SOLAR PANELS ON TOP OF A BUILDING AND USE THOSE SOLAR PANELS TO WORK, UH, TO FILL A BATTERY, AND THEN THAT BATTERY STORES ENOUGH SOLAR ENERGY TO RUN, RUN THE FACILITY THROUGH THE NIGHT, YOU BASICALLY HAVE TAKEN THE WHOLE THING OFF THE GRID.
AND THAT WAS THE EMPHASIS THAT THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF SAVINGS THAT COULD COME AS INDIVIDUAL RESIDENCES OR OFFICE BUILDINGS COME OFF THE GRID.
UM, SO I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, IT WAS MORE BATTERIES FOR, FOR TAKING PEOPLE OFF THE GRID HAD A, PROBABLY A GREATER POTENTIAL THAN BATTERIES FOR BACKING UP THE GRID BACK.
UH, NOW, UM, THIS GIANT PROBLEM, BUT, BUT, BUT, UH, THE YORKTOWN FACILITY IS ONE THAT IS, UH, CITED BY, UH, STRATA TO EVERYONE ELSE, BUT IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT COMMUNITY AND IT'S VERY, VERY, AND IT'S MUCH, I KNOW, I KNOW WHERE THE SHOPPING CENTER, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN THAT SHOPPING CENTER, MURRAY, BUT I KNOW THAT SHOPPING CENTER BEHIND STAPLES, THERE AIN'T NO HOUSES NEAR IT.
IT AIN'T LIKE WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING BEHIND.
UM, UM, WHAT, WHAT'S IT, UH, GROCERY STORE, UH, SHOPRITE, YOU KNOW, IS DIFFERENT.
ANYWAY, UM, WHAT NOW, TERRY? WELL, I THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IF, IF WE'RE GONNA STUDY THIS, LOOKING FOR SOME VOLUNTEERS AND, AND MAYBE IT'S TOO EARLY TO ASK OUR POTENTIAL MEMBERS IF THEY WANNA VOLUNTEERED.
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I'LL HELP SARAH.IT'S A GIGANTIC PROBLEM I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO BY MYSELF.
NO, I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I GUESS THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO EVEN DO, AND MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW, NANCY AND GEORGE, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN GETTING INVOLVED IN THIS? SURE, YES.
BECAUSE I GUESS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WOULD BE TO TRY AND FIND OUT WHAT OUR EXISTING REQUIREMENTS ARE IN TERMS OF ENERGY CONSERVATION IN OUR BUILDING CODE.
AND I GUESS WE COULD GET THAT PROBABLY FROM CONTACTING OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
JUST FIND OUT WHERE THE GRADING IS ON THAT IN TERMS OF, AND WHAT ITEMS OR ALSO WHAT ITEMS REALLY COME INTO MAKING A BUILDING ENERGY EFFICIENT.
WELL, IT'S, THAT'S A VERY TALL WATER.
AND, UH, I S NEXT, IT'S THE NEXT WEEK WE DON'T GO AHEAD, GEORGE.
GEORGE, I'LL, UH, I'LL JUMP IN THE POOL.
YEAH, JUST START TO LOOK INTO IT EVEN ALSO TO SEE WHAT YOU FIND ON THE INTERNET IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY RECOMMEND.
UM, IN TERMS OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE.
I MEAN, I CAN REMEMBER GOING TO SOMETHING THE COUNTY RAN OH, PROBABLY 10 YEARS AGO.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAD COME OUT WAS THEY WERE RECOMMENDING COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, PAINT THEIR ROOFS WHITE.
AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE THOUGHT THAT THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES WOULD PUSH BACK ON ANY DIRECTION.
AND BECAUSE THEY FOUND IT WAS REALLY AT THE PAYBACK WAS LESS THAN LESS LITTLE OVER A YEAR, THEY ALL PAINTED THEIR ROOFS WHITE.
SO IF YOU GO UP IN A HIGH BUILDING IN WHITE PLAINS AND LOOK DOWN, EVERY ROOFTOP IS WHITE BECAUSE IT WAS, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THE, THE BEST BENEFIT IS WHEN SOMEONE CAN IMMEDIATELY SEE THE BENEFIT.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE GREAT BENEFITS OF LIKE ANY AN ENERGY EFFICIENT BUILDING IN TERM IS THAT YOU REDUCE YOUR HEATING AND COOLING COSTS SO MUCH, WHICH ARE GOING UP IN PRICE, THAT THE EXTRA COST OF DOING SOMETHING THAT'S ENERGY EFFICIENT, YOU GET THE PAYBACK IN JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW.
SO IT'S NO LONGER SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE JUST DOING IT TO BE A GOOD CITIZEN.
IT CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A FINANCIAL ADVANTAGE FOR YOU.
I HAVE AN IMMEDIATE FINANCIAL ADVANTAGE.
I'VE NOTICED, FOR EXAMPLE, SINCE JANUARY, THE, THE COST PER KILOWATT HOUR HAVE, UH, HAVE JUMPED UP.
I THINK MY ELECTRIC BILL WENT UP 17% PER KILOWATT HOUR.
UH, THE, THE ELECTRIC BILL HAS GONE UP SEVEN AND HALF PERCENT ALL IN THE LAST 30 DAYS.
SO IF THIS TREND CONTINUES, I, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, THAT, THAT THERE'LL BE AN ADDED INCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO JOIN, UM, THE EFFORT TO, TO RUN YOUR BUILDING EFFICIENTLY.
IT'S NOT ONLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO, IT'S GONNA BE COST EFFICIENT IN, IN THE SHORT TERM.
MARGARET, WHY DON'T YOU ORGANIZE SOME TIME THAT'S CONVENIENT FOR ALL THREE OF YOU ONCE YOU ORGANIZE A CALL WITH GEORGE AND NANCY AND, UH, AND GET UNDERWAY.
AND, UH, I, I SAID THIS, THIS IS A LONG RANGE PROJECT.
THERE'S NO DEADLINES IN IT, BUT WE MAY BE ABLE TO SUGGEST SOMETHING THAT'S GOOD FOR GREENBURG, UM, AND GOOD FOR, YOU KNOW, OVERALL, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, RISING OUT OF THIS.
WHAT I, IT'S NEVER BEEN BEFORE.
I'M GONNA WANT, GONNA WANT YOUR, UM, DIRECTION FOR SURE, MIKE AND, AND TERRY, YOU KNOW, AND SURE.
WHAT I THINK THE FIRST THING, SO CURIOUS ABOUT THIS IS SO, SUCH A BIG, IT'S HUGE PROBLEM.
I THINK TO BE FOCUSED, I THINK THE, A SUGGESTION I WOULD HAVE IS THAT THE FIRST THING YOU AND, UH, GEORGE AND NANCY DO IS COME UP WITH AN OUTLINE IN OLD FASHIONED HIGH SCHOOL OUTLINE.
WHAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S THE WAY I USED TO WRITE BRIEFS AN OUTLINE.
YOU AS YOGI SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING, YOU'RE GONNA GET LOST.
I MEAN I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST THE IDEA OF WHO'S RESEARCHING WHAT, WHAT YOU WANNA RESEARCH YEAH.
WHAT YOU WANNA RESEARCH WHO'S, I, I THINK WHAT HE SAID IS IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING, ANY ROAD WILL GET YOU THERE.
BUT THAT, THAT, THAT, THIS WILL BE WONDERFUL PROJECT FOR US TO DO.
UH, SO I, I JUST WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH LEAD L E E D? YES.
SO THAT MIGHT BE A PLACE TO START IN TERMS OF A CHECKLIST OF THINGS TO LOOK AT.
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SUGGESTION, DONNA.WE HAVE SOME LEAD STUFF IN OUR CODE, I THINK FOR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
IS THAT RIGHT TERRY? YEAH, I THINK WE DID IT FOR COMMERCIAL, BUT, AND, AND YOU KNOW, AND I THINK WE MAKE THEM, THERE'S LIKE SEVERAL LEVELS AND THE COMMERCIAL HAVE TO MEET THE ONE THAT'S NOT THE HIGHEST ONE, BUT THE ONE RIGHT BELOW.
AND I DON'T THINK WE FORCE IT ON THE RESIDENTIAL AND I DON'T SEE A REASON WHY WE DON'T HAVE IT FOR THE RESIDENTIAL.
AND I WAS JUST GO, I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT TERRY.
IT'S FOR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, UM, I BELIEVE OVER 4,500 SQUARE FEET.
AND THEY HAVE TO, THEY DON'T HAVE TO ACTUALLY OBTAIN CERTIFICATION.
THEY HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY COULD BASED ON THE EFFICIENT EASE AND, AND OTHER TYPES OF, UM, STRATEGIES THAT THEY'RE UTILIZING EITHER BOTH WITHIN THE BUILDING OR DURING CONSTRUCTION OR POST-CONSTRUCTION, UH, TO ACHIEVE LEAD CERTIFICATION.
BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET THE HIGHEST LEVEL, RIGHT? NO.
IT'S JUST ONLY THE STANDARD LEVEL.
NOT EVEN GOLD OR, OR, OR THE HIGHEST LEVEL.
SO, 'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S GOLD AND PLATINUM OR SOMETHING.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS IS SHOULD WE BE LOOKING TO UP THAT, THAT IT ISN'T JUST THE STANDARD LEVEL, BUT IT'S ONE OF THE HIGHER LEVELS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO RETAIN.
AARON, DID YOU HEAR THE DISCUSSION ABOUT POSSIBLY, UH, OF, OF THIS, UH, INITIATIVE THAT THE CACS BEGINNING UNDER OR WILL BEGIN TO UNDERTAKE? UH, UH, MARGARET AND GEORGE AND NANCY ARE GOING TO, UH, FOCUS ON OF ARE THERE THINGS WE CAN SUGGEST TO THE TOWN BOARD, UM, IN TERMS OF, UM, OF, UH, RESIDENT, UH, UM, ENERGY REQUIREMENTS FOR NEW NEW RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION? NEW COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION? DID YOU, WERE YOU, DID YOU, DID YOU HEAR THAT DISCUSSION? BITS AND PIECES OF IT? SO I HEARD, YOU KNOW, GEOTHERMAL AND THE FACT, YOU KNOW, IT DID NOT WORK OUT WELL AT THE LIBRARY.
AND WHAT ABOUT ALL THE ROCK IN TOWN? I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, WHILE NOT LIVING IN THE TOWN, MY IN-LAWS HAVE SUCCESSFULLY HAD GEOTHERMAL WELLS BOTH AT THEIR FORMER HOUSE OR SECOND HOUSE UP IN MADISON, CONNECTICUT AND CURRENTLY IN THEIR, UH, HOME IN COSCO, CONNECTICUT.
UM, SO THEY'RE VERY HAPPY WITH IT AND IT'S CERTAINLY BEEN SUCCESSFUL THERE.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHT, UH, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA COME UP WITH FIRST IS JUST KIND OF A OUTLINE OF THE AREAS THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT AND, AND ALL.
AND SO MAYBE YOU CAN GIVE US, YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE TWO PAGE OUTLINE AND, AND SEE IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU THINK ARE USEFUL THINGS TO EXPLORE THAT ARE NOT IN THAT.
AND IF YOU THINK THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE PROBABLY NOT WORTH THE TIME TO, TO DO, IT'D BE HELPFUL.
'CAUSE YOU, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THINGS THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THE PERIPHERY OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, YOU DEAL WITH A LOT.
CERTAINLY, I'M CERTAINLY HAPPY TO LOOK THOSE OVER.
ONE OTHER THING SOMEWHAT RELATED, UH, THAT I'VE BEEN GETTING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT, AND WE LOOKED INTO, AND IT SEEMED FAIRLY COMPLICATED, AT LEAST WHEN WE LOOKED INTO IT A FEW YEARS AGO, FOLKS ARE CERTAINLY INTERESTED IN UTILIZING PERVIOUS MATERIALS, UM, WHETHER IT BE ASPHALT, WHETHER IT BE POROUS PAVERS, WHETHER IT BE THE GRASS CREED, PAVERS, UM, TO HELP WITH STORMWATER RUNOFF AND, AND INFILTRATION, RIGHT? OUR CODE IS NOT UP WITH THE TIMES IN THAT REGARD.
AND EVEN IF SOMEONE WERE TO UTILIZE A, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY A A FAIRLY LARGE REAR PATIO, UM, AND THEY WERE GONNA DO IT FULLY PERVIOUS OR POROUS, UH, PAVERS, THE CODE COUNTS THAT AGAINST THEM.
IT COUNTS IT AS IMPERVIOUS IT COUNT, SO IT COUNTS TOWARDS THEIR IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE OF THEIR LOT.
AND IF IT'S OF A CERTAIN SIZE OR EXCEEDS A CERTAIN THRESHOLD, THEY WOULD EVEN HAVE TO PUT IN DRAINAGE EVEN THOUGH THAT DRAINAGE SYSTEM WOULD LIKELY NOT BE USED BECAUSE THE WATER'S INFILTRATING THROUGH THE PAVERS.
SO THERE THE, THERE'S THAT ADDED EXPENSE AND YOU KNOW, THEN PEOPLE SHY AWAY FROM IT AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M WILLING TO PAY MORE TO DO THE POROUS PAVERS, BUT NOW YOU'RE GONNA MAKE ME PUT IN, YOU KNOW, A, A CULTEC CHAMBER OR SOME SORT OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT BUMPS THE PRICE UP ANOTHER X THOUSAND DOLLARS.
AND SO FOLKS ARE NOT ENCOURAGED BY THAT.
WE DID SOME RESEARCH AND I HAVEN'T FOUND A LOT OF COMMUNITIES THAT GIVE SOME SORT OF CREDIT 'CAUSE WE WERE THINKING, YOU KNOW, IT MAYBE IT SHOULDN'T BE A HUNDRED PERCENT BECAUSE THERE'S
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THAT MAINTENANCE OBLIGATION AND WHO'S TO SAY, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME PEOPLE ARE ADEQUATELY MAINTAINING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE CONSIDERATION.BUT THE OTHERS, WHE WHERE I DID FIND, UM, LET'S JUST SAY, UH, AROUND NUMBER 50%, UH, CREDIT, THERE WAS SOME VERY, UH, VERY INVOLVED MATHEMATICAL CALCULATION THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING, AND I'M FAIRLY DECENT AT MATH, I COULDN'T EVEN COMPREHEND IT WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT IT.
AND TO WRITE THAT INTO THE CODE JUST SEEMS, UH, EXTRAORDINARY.
SO I JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO BE AWARE OF THAT AS WELL, THAT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WORTH PURSUING.
I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE, UM, YEAH, I MEAN WE CERTAINLY SHOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO DO THAT.
AND IF IT'S JUST A MATTER OF FIGURING OUT WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE OFFSET, UH, OR CREDIT, UH, WE CAN FI WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.
AND I MEAN MARGARET CAN FIGURE THAT OUT FOR US IN, IN A WAY THAT'S SIMPLE.
CAN YOU SAY PARTICULARLY I FIND THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT, AND THERE AREN'T THAT MANY OCCURRENCES OF IT, BUT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH PARKING LOTS THAT AREN'T USED THAT FREQUENTLY, THAT YOU KNOW, THEY ONLY, YOU KNOW, A CHURCH PARKING LOT THAT GETS USED ON SUNDAY, THE FULL PARKING LOT THE REST OF THE WEEK.
THE ONLY PART OF THE PARKING LOT THAT GETS USED IS 2020 PARKING SPACES AND THE REST OF THE LOT ISN'T USED.
IT'S THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHERE IT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE MORE SENSE TO BE USING SOME SORT OF POROUS MATERIAL.
LET ME ASK YOU THIS, AARON, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MURRAY HAS TALKED ABOUT AT LEAST TWICE I'VE HEARD AT TOWN BOARD MEETINGS.
HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF INSTEAD OF SIDEWALKS, WHICH ARE IMPERVIOUS AND WHICH CREATE RUNOFF ONTO THE STREET, UM, USING SOME KIND OF A SIDEWALK, WHICH IS, UH, POROUS? SO I HAVE, UM, AND I'VE SEEN THEM IN USE.
IN FACT, I'M ON SOME EMAIL LIST FOR A PRODUCT CALLED FLEXI PAVE.
AND I THINK I PICKED UP A SAMPLE AT A TRADE SHOW STORMWATER, UH, THE SOUTHEAST NEW YORK STORMWATER CONFERENCE THAT'S I THINK HELD IN BEACON AND I MUST HAVE BEEN THERE A FEW, FEW TIMES AND I THINK I PICKED UP A SAMPLE AND MAYBE LEFT THEM MY CARD.
SO I'M ON THEIR EMAIL LIST, I HAVE A SAMPLE IN THE OFFICE, YOU POUR A GLASS OF WATER ON IT AND IT GOES RIGHT THROUGH.
UM, THERE IS A MAINTENANCE, SO THERE'S SOME VACUUMING REQUIRED.
WE WERE GOING TO LOOK INTO IT FOR SOME TREE SURROUNDS.
UH, YOU KNOW, AT ONE TIME ALONG EAST DALE AVENUE WHEN WE REPLANTED TREES, WE DIDN'T END UP GOING THAT DIRECTION.
WE ENDED UP DOING MULCHED UH, OVERSIZED BEDS, BUT IT WAS CERTAINLY A PRODUCT WE WERE INTERESTED IN.
AND THAT PARTICULAR PRODUCT DOES GO BEYOND JUST TREE SURROUNDS IT.
IT'S UTILIZED FOR WALKWAYS IN EVEN IN PARKS, UM, PLAYGROUND AREAS.
THERE ARE MANY APPLICATIONS FOR IT.
AND I'M HIGHLY INTERESTED IN IT.
I, AND, AND I KNOW MR. BODEN'S BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE, TIMES ARE CHANGING AND WHAT WAS GOOD 20, 30 YEARS AGO IS, IS NOT RIGHT NOW.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT.
AND I THINK IF WE GET, YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF SUPPORT AND, AND, AND PUSH FOR IT, I THINK PEOPLE WILL START TO REALIZE THE IMPORTANCE.
AND MAYBE IT'LL, MAYBE IT'LL CATCH ON.
I SAY DON DONNA, YOU WOULD NODDING YOUR HEAD, YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS.
WE'VE, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE SPECIFIED IT, BUT I I ALSO GET THERE EMAILS AND HAVE A SAMPLE
UM, WE ALSO, WE DID DO A PROJECT WHERE WE USED, UM, PERVIOUS CONCRETE.
THEY ACTUALLY COME IN PANELS AND THEY'RE POROUS AND SIMILAR.
I DON'T, THEY'RE NOT QUITE AS POROUS AARON AS THE, UM, FLEXI PAVE, BUT THEY ARE PERMEABLE, RIGHT? YEAH, I, I, SO I'VE HEARD SOME GOOD STORIES ABOUT PERVIOUS MATERIALS.
UM, FOR INSTANCE, I KNOW AT LIFE THE PLACE TO BE OFF OF THE SAWMILL PARKWAY ON LAWRENCE STREET OUT THE EDGE OF TOWN, IT CAME, UM, CAME BEFORE THE C A C, THIS IS PROBABLY 10 YEARS AGO.
AND IT'S A, IT WAS AN OLD BUILDING AND THEY REPURPOSED IT.
AND NOW, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD, IN FACT, MY DAUGHTER HAD A BIRTHDAY PARTY THERE A FEW YEARS AGO.
UM, THEY HAVE ROCK CLIMBING WALLS AND VIDEO ARCADE, OF COURSE IT'S PROBABLY CLOSED NOW.
UM, MANY THINGS TO DO FOR KIDS.
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THEY DID A PORTION OF THEIR PARKING LOT IN A PERVIOUS ASPHALT, THE, THE PORTION OF THE LOT NEAREST THE SAWMILL RIVER BECAUSE THE RIVER RUNS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT.AND I SAW THEM INSTALL IT AND THEY PUT A 24 INCH BED OF GRAVEL UNDERNEATH AND THEY HAD OTHER THINGS AS WELL.
AND WE WENT OUT THERE SHORTLY AFTER IT WAS INSTALLED AND DONE AND IN A RAINSTORM AND YOU SAW THE WATER GOING RIGHT THROUGH THE PAVEMENT AND ON THE PAVEMENT.
THAT WAS STANDARD ASPHALT RUNNING OFF GOING INTO THE CATCH BASINS.
AND I'VE ALSO SEEN, SO THAT WAS A KIND OF A GOOD STORY.
I KNOW THAT OUR D P W HAS REPORTED BACK TO US, UM, REGARDING, I THINK WE GOT A GRANT FOR IT.
THEY DID SOME PERVIOUS MATERIAL AT THE GREENBURG NATURE CENTER IN THE PARKING LOT AND THEY SAID IT HAS NOT WORKED OUT WELL OVER THERE.
I DON'T KNOW ALL THE PARTICULARS, UM, BUT I KNOW IT'S CRACKING AND HEAVING AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE PLOWS DAMAGED IT.
UH, I CAN FIND OUT MORE FROM RICH FOND.
SO I KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOTTA BE CAREFUL WITH ITS APPLICATION AND ITS USE.
AND, UM, GOING BACK TO THE FLEXI PAY FOR A MINUTE, I KNOW THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN HISTORICALLY HAS HAD ITS OWN, YOU KNOW, UM, DETAIL FOR SIDEWALKS THAT HAVE PROBABLY GOT FROM THE NEW YORK STATE D O T.
AND SO WE'VE RELIED ON THAT UPON THAT.
AND THOSE ARE, COULD BE OUT OF DATE AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S TIME TO START THINKING IN A DIFFERENT MANNER AND GOING, UH, ANOTHER DIRECTION.
BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU BUILD THEM A D A COMPLIANT AND YOU MAINTAIN THEM PROPERLY, I DON'T SEE WHAT THE DOWNSIDE IS.
AND, UM, ARE THERE, DO THEY, IF YOU USE 'EM FOR SIDEWALKS, TWO QUESTIONS DO, DO THEY, DO THEY WITHSTAND THE TRAFFIC? WELL, BUT I I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE EASIER THAN, THAN THAN PARKING LOTS BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, HEAVY VEHICLES ON YEAH.
ONE IS, AND SECOND ARE THEY, UM, DO THEY SAVE ANY MONEY? 'CAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO CATCH BASINS.
UH, AND, AND, AND WHAT IS THE LOOK OF THEM? ARE THEY, DO THEY FIT INTO THE ENVIRONMENT EASIER THAN, UH, THAN, THAN YOUR ASPHALT SIDEWALKS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, DON'T FIT INTO THE ENVIRONMENT? I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE FLEXI PAVED MATERIAL I'M FAMILIAR WITH IS KIND OF LIKE A, A BROWN RUBBERIZED SURFACE.
SOME OF THEM ARE RECYCLED TIRES THAT ARE WITH SOME SORT OF BINDER.
I AM, I IMAGINE THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THEM.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE WATER SEEPING THROUGH, DOES THAT TAKE ANYTHING WITH IT FROM THE TIRES? I, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
UH, WE WOULD CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT, BUT IN TERMS OF, UM, WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, THE ONES I'M AWARE OF ARE KIND OF LIKE A BROWN, THEY ALMOST LOOK LIKE A, LIKE A RUBBER MULCH KIND OF, SO IT, IT DOES LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE IN LINE WITH THE ENVIRONMENT THAN, YOU KNOW, A, A CONCRETE SIDEWALK OR AN ASPHALT SIDEWALK FOR THAT MATTER.
UM, SO THEY, THEY'RE ATTRACTIVE TO THE EYE IN MY OPINION, AND I'M HAPPY TO FORWARD SOME OF THE, THEY, THEY SEND OUT A BROCHURE ALONG WITH THEIR EMAILS.
TYPICALLY DONNA PROBABLY SEEN THEM AND I'M HAPPY TO FORWARD THAT ALONG TO THE C A C.
SO YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE APPLICATIONS AND I'M, I'M ALMOST CERTAIN THAT THERE'S A REPRESENTATIVE, YOU KNOW, A LOCAL REP THAT WOULD EVEN, UH, COME BEFORE THE C A C TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE A BRIEF PRESENTATION.
YOU KNOW, GOING TO SOMETHING MARY HAS SAID THAT I WANTED TO GO TO IS HE'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT SHARED SPACE ON THE EDGE OF THE ROAD, BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR SECONDARY ROADS, WE DEFINITELY NEED SIDEWALKS.
AND I KNOW THE TOWN HAS BEEN TRYING VERY HARD TO GET THEM PUT IN.
YOU KNOW, WE SEE PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, STRUGGLING.
BUT THE OTHER THING IS, I I QUESTION WHEN WE HAVE NEW DEVELOPMENTS, I KNOW IN SOME OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS THE TOWN HAS REQUIRED THE PUTTING IN OF SIDEWALKS AND CONSIDERING THE ENERGY REQUIRED TO MAKE THE CEMENT TO, TO, THAT YOU HAVE FOR A SIDEWALK.
I, I, I FIND THE INSTALLATION OF A SIDEWALK IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC, NO, THROUGH TRAFFIC AND STREETS THAT ARE WIDE ENOUGH.
I QUESTION THE PURPOSE OF HAVING A SIDEWALK.
I KNOW SIDEWALKS ARE GOOD, BUT I THINK SIDEWALKS ARE GOOD IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
AND WHEN WE GET THE MASTER PLAN, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT PUTTING THEM EVERYWHERE.
WE WEREN'T GONNA GO AND RETROFIT THEM INTO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.
YET I NOTICED WITH THE APPROVALS GOING
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THROUGH FOR THE NEW COMMUN COMMUNITIES, THEY'RE INSISTING THAT THERE'D BE SIDEWALKS IN PLACES THAT QUITE TRUTHFULLY, IF THE WI ROAD IS WIDE ENOUGH, PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHARE THE ROAD WITH BICYCLISTS AND CARS WITHOUT HAVING TO PUT THE SIDEWALKS IN.I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I MEAN, I JUST THINK THAT'S ANOTHER ONE WHERE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S SORT OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY ALWAYS TALK ABOUT MOTHERHOOD, NAPA PIE.
IT'S SORT OF LIKE SIDEWALKS HAVE GOTTEN TO BE SOMETHING THAT THERE'S NO CONSIDERATION OF.
IS THIS THE RIGHT PLACE FOR A SIDEWALK? IS THE SIDEWALK NEEDED AT THIS POINT? RIGHT.
I I MEAN, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE DEDICATED SPACE FOR PEDESTRIAN WALKERS IN ANY RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
SO IN THE NEW ONES, I'M SURE OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE THIS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
YOU LOOK AT SOME OF, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITIES OUT WEST THAT SEEM TO BE MORE ADVANCED AT THESE SORTS OF THINGS THAN US, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THAT ABSENT A SIDEWALK, WHETHER IT BE SOME SORT OF STRIPING ALONG THE, THE CURB EDGE AND A LITTLE BIT WIDER OF A ROAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THERE CAN BE WAYS TO PROVIDE DEDICATED PEDESTRIAN, YOU KNOW, MOVEMENT FACE WITHOUT HAVING TO HAVE A, A WALL SIDEWALK DEDICATED FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK.
THEY HAD A CEMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, WAS GONNA USE, WOULD BE A HUGE ENERGY COURSE TO PRODUCE.
AND PROBABLY NOT, THE SIDEWALK WILL NOT BE USED.
I MEAN, I CERTAINLY KNOW WHAT MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WE REALLY HAVE NO SIDEWALKS LEFT AND EVERYONE WALKS IS, YOU KNOW, CONTINUALLY WALKING.
'CAUSE THERE ISN'T THE TRAFFIC.
SO BEING IN THE STREET IS NOT A PROBLEM.
AND, OH, I GOTTA STEP AWAY FOR A SECOND.
I GOTTA GET MY CHARGING FOR IT.
OKAY, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOU, YOU ARE GONNA BE THE NEXT THING.
OKAY, WELL, WE'LL JUST WAIT FOR AARON TO COME BACK.
'CAUSE I THINK, MIKE, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD POINT TO GO OVER THOSE THINGS.
YOU WANTED TO HAVE AARON PRESENT FOR, UM, TERRY, CAN I JUST SAY ONE THING BEFORE YOU, SHARON? OH, WE'RE GONNA SEE SHARON.
UM, BACK WHEN I WAS A MASTER GARDEN, THE CORNELL EXTENSION SERVICE, UH, WAS VERY INTERESTED IN PERME PERMEABLE PAVERS.
SO I, I'LL GIVE THEM A CALL AND SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY INFORMATION.
WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS, SHARON, WE, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS THE ISSUE THAT IS JUST TO BE SURE THAT THESE THINGS, LIKE IF THEY'RE MADE OUT OF TIRES, WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT TYPE OF RESIDUE, UM, ADDED, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, FLOATING OFF LIKE INTO THE BRONX RIVER OR TO THE STORM RIVER OR SOMETHING, BECAUSE THAT STUFF AIN'T GOOD FOR ANIMALS.
SO, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT MY GUESS IS, MY GUESS IS IT DOESN'T, OTHERWISE IT WOULDN'T BE SOLID ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THE WEIGHT.
BUT I, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, OF COURSE, I'M NOT SURE.
YEAH, MY QUESTION WAS IT'S MADE OF, BUT WE'LL FIND OUT.
SO WE'LL JUST WAIT FOR AARON TO COME BACK BECAUSE THERE WERE, BEFORE WE FINISH UP, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS MIKE WANTED AARON PRESENT FOR.
WAS THERE ANYTHING NEW ON THE BLOWER LAW? WE TALKED ABOUT THAT TWO WEEKS AGO.
UH, I GUESS OTHER THAN THE FACT IT'S GONNA COME UP IN MARCH FOR CONSIDERATION.
YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE MARCH, UH, MAYBE 10TH.
SO THAT WHAT, WHAT TOWN, TOWN, BOARD TOWN? MARCH 10 AT SEVEN 30.
UH, PAUL TOLD ME TODAY HE WROTE THE MAYORS OF ALL, UM, THE VILLAGES THAT THIS WAS COMING UP, UH, UM, AND IF THEY WANTED TO ATTEND THE MARCH 10TH HEARING, I DUNNO, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THAT WAS.
WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THAT? IT'S LIKE
SO AARON IS BACK, BUT HE'S STILL MUTED.
AND, UH, ELMWOOD, UM, WHEN YOU HEAR THE, THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED ABOUT ELMWOOD, LIKE SOME OF THE VERY INTELLIGENT QUESTIONS THAT MADELINE O'SHEA ASKED, UM, YOU GET THE SENSE THAT, UM,
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THE DRAFT E I S YOU KNOW, WAS INPUTTED IN SOME RELATIVELY SIGNIFICANT WAY BY THE APPLICANT.UM, NOW WE'RE GOING, WE HAVE A 40 DAY, A 45 DAY PERIOD UNLESS YOU GET A WRITTEN EXTENSION TO GO FROM THE DRAFT E I S TO THE, UH, FINAL E I S UNDER UNDER C, WHETHER THE 45 DAY PERIOD, UNLESS YOU HAVE A WRITTEN EXTENSION, UM, FROM THE APPLICANT.
NOW, THERE WERE A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS ASKED.
I SAID MADELINE O SHEA HAD SOME, THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAD SOME GOOD QUESTIONS.
I MEAN, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS ARE NOT SO GOOD, YOU KNOW, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS THAT WERE APPROPRIATE FOR COMMUNITY TO ASK.
UM, AND SO THERE WERE GONNA BE SOME MATH, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS THAT THE C A C RAISED ABOUT SOME OF THE ISSUES OF THE NUMBERS.
I MEAN, IS IT REALLY, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU GET TO THE POINT THAT ONLY 40% OF THAT 40% OF THESE UNITS ARE GONNA BE BY ONE PERSON? AND HOW DO YOU, THERE SEEMS TO BE JUST A DISCONNECT BETWEEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE EITHER TWO PEOPLE OVER 55 OR ONE OVER 55, BUT YOU GOT FOUR PARKING PLACES AND THREE BEDROOMS AND THREE STORIES.
UM, UM, AND THEN THERE WAS SOME ISSUES ABOUT FINANCIAL ISSUES ABOUT, UH, WHETHER YOU GET MORE WHAT THE COMMUNITY GETS MORE TAX, UH, UM, A JUICE OUT OF A, UM, UH, OUT OF, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES OR OUT OF THESE TOWNHOUSES.
AND, UM, AND, AND, UH, JONATHAN SAID, UH, UH, THAT I'LL HAVE MY PEOPLE COME UP WITH THESE NUMBERS NOW.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THAT THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT, AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF INPUT IN GOING FROM THE DRAFT E I S TO THE FINAL E I SS.
BUT IT ALSO SEEMED THAT BEFORE WE GET TO FINAL E I SS, THERE OUGHT TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, UH, UH, FOR, UM, THE C A C PACIFIC ASSOCIATIONS TO HAVE INPUT TOO.
I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S NOT EVEN CLEAR WHO DOES THE FINAL, IS IT DONE BY THE APPLICANT OR IS IT DONE BY A CONSULTANT? UH, SO IT'S THE FINAL E I SS IS DONE BY THE APPLICANT AND ITS CONSULTANTS.
IT'S NOT DONE BY A, NOT THE TOWN'S CONSULTANT.
IT'S PREPARED BY THE APPLICANT.
BY THE APPLICANT AND, AND IT'S CONSULTANTS REVIEWED AND THE APPLICANT REVIEWED.
SO, SO, AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS WITHIN 10 DAYS, THE TOWN BOARD IS SUPPOSED TO ACCEPT IT OR NOT.
HOW CAN THE TOWN, HOW, HOW, HOW DOES THIS WORK FOR THE TOWN FOR THE, SOMETHING THAT IS PREPARED BY AN APPLICANT AND THE APPLICANT'S CONSULTANT? HOW'S THE TOWN BOARD IN 10 DAYS SUPPOSED TO QUOTE ACCEPTED? BECAUSE WE HEARD MR. STEINMAN SAY, OH, UH, IN RESPONSE TO MANY PEOPLE'S.
I MEAN, THEY WEREN'T TRYING TO BE ADVERSARIAL, BUT THEY JUST WERE SPEAKING LOOSELY.
AND, YOU KNOW, HE SAYS, OH, IT'S BEEN ACCEPTED.
WELL, WHAT DOES BEING ACCEPTED MEAN? DOES THAT MEAN IT IS THE DISPOSITIVE SOURCE FROM WHICH THE FINDING STATEMENTS COME? BECAUSE THE FINDING STATEMENTS, YOU KNOW, GET MADE, AND I FORGET THE, I DON'T THINK I FORGET THE TIMEFRAME FOR THE FINDING STATEMENTS, BUT THE FINDING STATEMENTS, UM, ARE PRETTY, YOU KNOW, PRETTY IMPORTANT, UH, THAT THE TOWN BOARD'S FINDING STATEMENTS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES IT MEAN? WHAT DOES IT MEAN IF THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT'S, UH, EXPERTS DO THE FINAL? AND THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE BASIS OF THE FINDING STATEMENTS.
AND THERE'S NO INPUT FROM CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS FROM NEARBY RESIDENTS, FROM THE, FROM THE TWO SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHICH HAD OBJECTIONS TO IT, UH, FROM THE P A C, WHICH HAS RAISED THE ISSUE OF, UH, OF DENSITY.
AND FROM THE COUNTY BOARD, I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THE REFERRAL LETTER MM-HMM.
FROM THE COUNTY BOARD, WHICH SAYS, WE DON'T RECOMMEND THIS INCREASE IN DENSITY IN AT 47% IN THIS LOCATION.
SO I'LL, I'LL, OUR KIND OF QUESTION IS, UH, HOW DO, HOW DOES ALL THIS, UH, HOW DOES ALL THIS WORK GOING FORWARD? AND SO WE, UH, THE CAC SENT A LETTER, UH, TO C D N C AND YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED TO KNOW IMMEDIATELY, BUT IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL IF, UH, UM, IF THE C D C COULD GET KIND OF A, HOW DO WE GO FROM WHERE WE ARE FROM THE DRAFT TO THE FINAL, UM, AND THEN TO THE FINDING STATEMENTS,
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UH, BECAUSE THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS TO BE EFFECTIVE AND THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION'S COMMENTS TO BE EFFECTIVE AND SCHOOL DISTRICT'S, UH, COMMENTS TO BE EFFECTIVE, UH, YOU KNOW, IS NOT AFTER THE FINDING STATEMENT.RIGHT? SO UNFORTUNATELY, I'M HOME ON MY LAPTOP AND DON'T HAVE, UH, A HANDY COPY OF THE SEEKER HANDBOOK IF I WAS IN THE OFFICE.
I HAVE A COPY OF THE HANDBOOK RIGHT ON MY DESKTOP.
WE, WE'VE READ THE HANDBOOK, WE READ THEM ALL IN, IN A, WE'VE READ ANYTHING, SE ANYTHING SECRET RELATED IS, UM, COMPLICATED AND NOT THE EASIEST TO UNDERSTAND.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE, UM, I THOUGHT YOU SAID SECRET
WE ALSO HAVE KIND OF A, A SEEKER CHEAT SHEET.
SO WHAT I DIDN'T SEE THE MEMO THAT CAME FROM THE CA I'LL SEND IT TO YOU TO, I'LL SEND IT TO YOU TONIGHT.
BECAUSE G BETWEEN GARRETT AND MYSELF, WE CAN COLLECTIVELY, UH, ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AND LAY OUT THE STEPS MOVING FORWARD, WHICH IS, I THINK WHAT YOU GUYS WANT.
I MEAN, REMEMBER, THE ONLY THING THAT IS MORE INCOMPREHENSIBLE THAN SECRET ITSELF IS THE SEQUEL HANDBOOK,
SO, UH, IT IS, UH, IF, IF YOU'VE EVER HAD TO READ THROUGH THE LIST OF TYPE TWO ACTIONS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, YEAH, IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE EASIEST.
I MEAN, THEY TRY TO GIVE SOME EXAMPLES, WHICH CAN BE HELPFUL, BUT, UM, BUT ALL, ALL WE DO WANNA KNOW THE STEPS AND, AND, AND I, I'M SURE WE SHARE, UH, WITH C B C AND, AND, AND THE TOWN BOARD THAT BEFORE THEY MAKE A FIGHT, PULL THE TRIGGER ON THIS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
IT'S WORTH HEARING FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
IT'S WORTH HEARING, YOU KNOW, FROM, UH, UH, UH, THE PUBLIC, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S WORTH HEARING FROM, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS OR FROM THE C A C I MEAN, WE'VE WRITTEN ON TWO, I'VE WRITTEN FOUR, AT LEAST THREE IF NOT FOUR REPORTS, ELWOOD, YOU KNOW, UM, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE GET INVOLVED IN THAT SO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T GET OURSELVES INTO A POSITION THAT MR. STEINBECK RIGHTLY SAYS, OH, YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN ACCEPTED.
I MEAN, I, ONE OF THE ONES I COULD THINK OF RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IS THE ONE THAT HAD TO DO WITH ALL THE ESTIMATIONS ON, ON THE ECONOMICS BECAUSE WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT, WHAT WAS USED AS AVERAGES FOR A HOUSE PRICE, PROJECTED HOUSE PRICE, WHAT WAS USED FOR PROJECTED SIZE ON THEIR PROPERTY, WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING.
THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE WONDERFUL CHARTS WITH ALL THESE CASE ONE, CASE TWO, CASE THREE, RIGHT.
BUT THE REALITY WAS THERE WAS NO WAY OF KNOWING WHAT NUMBERS WERE USED TO PRODUCE THAT.
AND IF IN FACT, WHEN THEY COME BACK, THEY HAVEN'T ANSWERED THAT QUESTION, OR AGAIN, THE NUMBERS LOOK, LOOK SKETCHY, YOU KNOW, YOU'D WANNA BE COMMENTING BEFORE THE FACT TO SAY, THIS DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT.
YOU DIDN'T REALLY ANSWER THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED.
MAYBE BECAUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THE C A C FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT THEY HAVE AS C AND D.
UM, THAT'S INSTEAD OF A 47% DENSITY INCREASE, THEY GIVE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, 5.5 C AND D WOULD GIVE A 5.5% DENSITY INCREASE.
AND ONE OF 'EM, I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE ALSO HAD, UH, THE, UM, UH, THE PARK DEDICATION.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE KINDA WANNA BE SURE THAT THE NUMBERS OF C YOU KNOW, THE UNDERLYING ANALYTICS THAT GO INTO THE ANALYSIS OF C AND D, YOU KNOW, ARE PRETTY STRAIGHT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE A TEMPTATION OF AN APPLICANT TO MAKE HIS PREFERRED ONE, YOU KNOW, REALLY LOOK GOOD.
I MEAN, WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST TIME THAT HAPPENED,
I MEAN, I KNOW THAT, UM, THE TOWN BOARD AS LEAD AGENCIES RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING FINDINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S, AND THERE'S A FINDING STATEMENT THAT HAS TO BE PREPARED.
AND, UM, THEY NEED THE INFORMATION IN, THEY NEED THE APPROPRIATE INFORMATION IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT FINDING STATEMENT.
I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR, UH, I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE MEMO TOMORROW AND THEN I CAN COMMUNICATE WITH COMMISSIONER DUQUE AND SEE IF WE CAN GET BACK TO YOU IN SHORT ORDER IN TERMS OF PROCESS AND, AND REQUIREMENTS.
BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS TO GET INTO THE DYNAMIC WHERE MR. STEIN, THAT'S QUITE CORRECT.
THAT THE FINDING STATEMENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE,
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TO COME OUT OF APPROPRIATE INFORMATION IN THE E I I S.WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE SITUATION WHERE MR. STEINMAN SAYS, OH, YOU CANNOT SAY THE FINAL E I S HAS INAPPROPRIATE INFORMATION BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN ACCEPTED.
AND THEREFORE, YOU'RE FINDING STATEMENTS MUST BE BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE, THE, YOU KNOW, ONLY PERSON, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY THAT CAN WALK AND CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIME WOULD SAY, MY PROJECT THE WAY I WANTED IT, WITH A 47% INCREASE IN DENSITY IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO.
SO WE WILL LAY THAT OUT FOR YOU GUYS.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? 'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE GETTING TO EIGHT O'CLOCK AND I THINK IT'S BETTER.
YOU KNOW, I THINK A VERY INTERESTING MEETING TONIGHT AND, UM, WE, HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE EVERYONE IN TWO WEEKS, THEREABOUTS.
THANK YOU GEORGE AND NANCY FOR AGREEING TO WORK WITH ME ON THIS PROJECT.
I JUST GONNA JUMP IN AND, AND SAY, UM, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
OH, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU'LL FOR AGREEING TO WORK WITH ME.
I, I'LL WAIT TO HEAR FROM YOU THEN, OR SHOULD I REACH OUT TO YOU? HOW ARE WE GONNA OKAY.
ILL SEND SATURDAY YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION.