* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. GEEZ. [00:00:01] OKAY. AND NOW WE'RE RECORDING. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO I WANNA WELCOME [ TOWN OF GREENBURGH CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL GREENBURGH TOWN HALL LEE F. JACKSON MEETING ROOM Agenda THURSDAY, March 25, 2021 – 6:30 P.M. ] EVERYONE TO THIS EVENING'S MEETING. UM, SINCE WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DELAYED A LITTLE BIT, I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT WE GO, WELL, ONE THING THAT WE DO, THE MINUTES AND THEN WE GO RIGHT INTO THE APPLICATION. SO, UM, HAS EVERYONE SEEN THE MINUTES? I HAVE ONLY ONE COMMENT ON THEM. UM, LIZ WAS NOT AT THAT MEETING. CAN YOU INDICATE THAT SHE WAS DONNA? NO, I WAS AT THAT MEETING THE 11TH. I OH, THE, YES, I WAS AT THE 11TH. I MISSED THE, THE ONE BEFORE 25TH BEFORE THEN. MY MISTAKE. I APOLOGIZE. OKAY. IT WAS MARGARET, LIZ. TIME WAS GONE TONIGHT, SO, OKAY. MY BAD. OKAY. ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? UH, THEY'RE GOOD. I MOVE. WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES. I SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY, LET'S MOVE TO OUR APPLICANT. UM, I GUESS AARON WILL BE LETTING THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES IN. THIS IS AN APPLICATION. UM, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD THE AUSLEY ROAD APPLICATION, UM, NOT TOO LONG AGO. AND AS THEY'RE WORKING THIS OUT, WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THE NEIGHBOR'S DRIVEWAY USED TO, UM, HE USED TO GO THROUGH SOMEONE ELSE'S DRIVEWAY AND THERE AND OUT TO AUSLEY ROAD, BUT HIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE SPLIT AND THERE WE EVEN MORE DRIVEWAYS AND WHATNOT. SO INSTEAD THE DRIVEWAYS FROM HIS PROPERTY WILL BE GOING INTO THE DRIVEWAY OF THOSE FOUR HOUSES WE LOOKED AT. AND SINCE HIS PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE, UM, WETLANDS BUFFER, THEY HAVE TO, IN AGAIN FOR ANOTHER REVIEW OF THE WETLANDS SITUATION. SO I, I'LL TURN THIS OVER TO, UM, THE PEOPLE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, BUT I THINK THAT I DON'T WANNA HOLD THEM UP THAT WE'VE ALREADY WAITED A FEW MINUTES. SO IF YOU JUST WANNA GO AHEAD. I HOPE I'VE SUMMARIZED THIS CORRECTLY AND I'M SURE YOU'RE GONNA PROVIDE US WITH MORE DETAIL. UH, GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN. AND TORI, THANK YOU FOR THAT INTRODUCTION. YOU, YOU REALLY HIT THE NAIL AND, AND PRETTY MUCH WENT OVER EVERYTHING THAT WE, UM, NEED TO DO THIS EVENING. SO I'LL HAVE DAVE JUST PULL UP THE PLAN, UM, JUST FOR THE BOARD TO BE ABLE TO REFERENCE DURING TONIGHT'S MEETING. BUT, UM, I'M SORRY FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS KATE ROBERTS, LAW FIRM OF ZAIN AND STEINMETZ. ALSO HERE TONIGHT IS DAVE LOMBARDI FROM J M C, WHO'S THE ENGINEER WORKING ON THIS PROJECT. JOHN MANIAN IS HERE AS WELL. HE IS THE OWNER OF N R SS F, WHICH IS THE, UM, THE APPLICANT THAT IS, UM, THE FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION THAT YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED. UM, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN APPLICATION TONIGHT THAT AFFECTS SEVEN 10 ARDSLEY ROAD, WHICH IS OWNED BY MR. ED MARIN. UM, HE'S NOT ABLE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING, BUT WE'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH MR. MARIN. UM, WE'VE ALSO BEEN IN COMMUNICATION. I THINK ED HAS BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH MR. SCHMIDT AND ED IS ON BOARD WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING THIS EVENING. UM, SO IF DAVE, IF YOU COULD JUST ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT TO CLOSER TO WHERE ED'S PROPERTY IS. THANK YOU. UM, SO COULD YOU SHOW THE PLAN WITH THE NEW DRIVEWAY, DAVE? SORRY. SURE. ACTUALLY LEAVE IT HERE FOR A SECOND. THIS MIGHT BE HELPFUL. THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR THE BOARD TO SEE FIRST. YEAH. UM, SO CURRENT, NO COLOR. SORRY. SORRY, I THOUGHT I HEARD, UM, A BOARD COMMENT. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED US TO ADDRESS, BUT, UM, THIS, THIS MAP SHOWS THE PROPERTY AS IT EXISTS NOW. SO, UM, DAVE, IF YOU'LL PUT A CIRCLE OVER WHERE OUR, UM, PROPERTY IS JUST NORTH. YEP. THAT'S OUR PROPERTY. AND THEN ED'S HOUSE IS RIGHT WHERE DAVE IS CIRCLING NOW. I HOPE EVERYBODY CAN SEE THE CURSOR GOING. UM, SO ED'S PROPERTY NOW IS SUBDIVIDED INTO THREE LOTS. THE LOT THAT DAVE IS SHOWING HAS ED'S HOUSE CURRENTLY THE LOT, UM, TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS TO THE LEFT ON THE SCREEN IS ANOTHER OF THE SUBDIVIDED LOTS. AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT, UM, WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING TONIGHT. THESE TWO, UM, CURRENTLY THAT PROPERTY HAS ED'S POOL ON IT, SO IF ED WERE EVER TO SELL THAT PROPERTY, HE WOULD NEED TO OBVIOUSLY REMOVE HIS POOL IN ORDER FOR A HOUSE TO BE BUILT THERE. UM, AND THEN THERE'S THE THIRD LOT, UM, THAT, THAT'S NOT THE SUBJECT OF THIS APPLICATION BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT WON'T AFFECT, UM, THAT LOT. BUT MS. ROBERT, MS. ROBERT, I'M SORRY, I I JUST DIDN'T HEAR. IF HE WERE TO SELL THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH ON THE LEFT OF THE SCREEN, HE'D HAVE TO REMOVE WHAT, I JUST DIDN'T HEAR THE WORD. HE HAS A POOL [00:05:01] RIGHT THERE. WHERE, UM, WHERE, YEAH, THAT BOX RIGHT THERE, THAT SQUARE IS A POOL. UM, SO CURRENTLY THAT EXISTS AND IF HE WERE TO EVER, UM, SELL THE, THE PARCEL TO THE LEFT, UH, HE WOULD NEED TO REMOVE IT, OBVIOUSLY, UM, IN ORDER TO MEET THE COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS. AND I THINK THE HOUSE WOULD ACTUALLY BE LOCATED CLOSE TO THERE. SO, UM, IT WOULDN'T WORK IN THIS CONFIGURATION. BUT NONETHELESS, HE RECEIVED A SUBDIVISION AND HE WANTS TO, UM, CONTINUE TO HAVE THE SUBDIVISION ACCESSIBLE TO HIM IN CASE HE EVER DID WANNA SELL THAT LOT. SO THE REASON THAT WE'RE HERE TONIGHT IS, UM, DAVE, IF YOU WANNA GO TO THE NEXT SCREEN, UM, ED'S, ED'S DRIVEWAY CURRENTLY, UM, I THINK I'VE, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE, AND I DON'T WANT TO BE TOO REPETITIVE 'CAUSE WE WERE HERE FOR A FEW MEETINGS WITH YOU GUYS, BUT, UM, THIS IS THE CONFIGURATION OF THE NEW DRIVEWAY WITH OUR PROJECT. AND, UM, IT COMES UP FROM MARLEY ROAD AND THEN THAT'S TO ED'S CURRENT HOUSE WHERE DAVE IS POINTING HIS CURSOR. AND THEN THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER, UM, CURB CUT WHERE DAVE IS POINTING THERE FOR THE, UM, FOR THE SECOND LOT THAT WE JUST WENT OVER. UM, AND WE NEED TO DO A SMALL RE SUBDIVISION. I REALLY CHARACTERIZE THIS MORE AS A LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT TO MEET THE FRONTAGE REQUIREMENTS. BUT THE REASON THAT WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THIS TECHNICALLY IS WITHIN THE 100 FOOT BUFFER WETLAND BUFFER. THE WETLAND IS NOT ACTUALLY ON ED'S PROPERTIES, IT'S ON OUR PROPERTY. AND WE WERE HERE BEFORE YOU, YOU ISSUED A WETLAND PERMIT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION. UM, SO WE'RE REALLY HERE TONIGHT I THINK AS A MATTER OF FORM BECAUSE WE'RE MOVING A LOT LINE THAT'S WITHIN THE BUFFER. UM, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO DAVE TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE TECHNICAL, BUT I THINK REALLY THAT'S THE SUBSTANCE OF, OF THE APPLICATION. UH, UH, EXCUSE ME, MR. UH, I SEE WHERE THERE'S A LINE THAT SAYS EXISTING LOT LINE TO BE RELOCATED. YEP. COULD YOU, COULD SOMEONE PLEASE JUST, UM, SHOW ON THE CURSOR WHERE IT IS TO BE RE UH, RELOCATED TO? SURE. CURRENTLY, UH, THERE'S TWO FLAG LOTS. YOU SEE THESE TWO THIN AND WITH A SHARED DRIVEWAY. THIS IS THE PROPOSED LOT LINE BETWEEN LOTS 9.1 AND 9.2. SO ALL OF THIS AREA HERE WILL NOW BE PART OF LOT 9.1 AND LOT 9.2 WILL STILL BE AT LEAST 20,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS THE MINIMUM. SO YOU, YOU'RE MOVING THAT, YOU'RE MOVING THE EXISTING ONE, BUT TO WHERE ARE YOU MOVING IT? IT'S GOING TO CONNECT TO THE COMMON PROPERTY LINE WITH OUR PROJECT. SO, SO IT CAN MAYBE PULL UP THE LEFT, MAYBE PULL UP THE LAST ONE, UM, DRAWING THAT YOU HAD UP. I THINK WHAT MR. SIEGEL IS ASKING IS WE SEE THE DARK LINE THERE, BUT WHERE'S THE EXISTING PROPERTY LINE? EXACTLY. THIS, THIS IS THE EXISTING LINE BETWEEN LOTS 9.1 AND 9.2. THESE ARE THE TWO FLAGS. SO THIS, THIS LOT, THIS LINE IN HERE WILL, WILL, UH, BE ABANDONED. SO THIS LOT LINE WILL STOP HERE AND CONNECT INTO THE COMMON PROPERTY LINE. SO YOU'RE REDUCING THE SIZE OF, UM, THE ONE YOUR CURSOR IS ON LOT 9.2. OKAY. QUESTION. I THOUGHT THE DRIVEWAY SERVICED. UM, ANOTHER, I GUESS THE, I GUESS IT SERVICES ONE HOUSE THERE A LOT, UH, THERE, THAT ONE, CORRECT. YEAH. SO THAT LOT HAS AN EASEMENT OVER JUST THIS FRONT PORTION ONTO ARDSLEY. UM, WE, WE WERE IN COMMUNICATION. THE NAME OF THAT FAMILY IS THE KIMS, WE'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH THEM A FEW MONTHS AGO. WE REACHED OUT TO THEM SEVERAL TIMES AND THEY WERE NOT INTERESTED IN JOINING ONTO OUR SHARED DRIVEWAY. UM, SO WE WERE ABLE TO GET ED'S PROPERTIES ONTO IT, BUT THE, THE KIMS WERE NOT IN INTERESTED. OKAY. SO, SO JUST, JUST 'CAUSE I'M LITTLE, JUST LIKE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON. THE LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE WE DISCUSSED THE DRIVEWAY AND THE DRIVEWAY WAS GOING TO BE BASICALLY FILLED IN WITH TREES IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. OKAY. YEP. SO WHAT ARE WE SAYING WITH THE KIMS, IS THAT PART OF THE DRIVEWAY THAT THE KIM'S USE, WILL THAT STILL SAY AS DRIVEWAY? SO IF YOU WANNA GO, MAYBE DAVE GO TO THE NEXT, UM, THE, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN THAT SHOWS THE TREES MIGHT BE HELPFUL. WELL, I JUST WANNA FIRST POINT OUT THIS IS THE PROPOSED, UH, NEW EDGE OF PAVEMENT FOR THE KIM'S DRIVEWAY. SO FROM THIS LINE UP, THIS WAY, ALL THIS ASPHALT WILL BE REMOVED. RIGHT. THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING, WHICH SEEMED LIKE A VERY GOOD IDEA AT THE TIME. YES. WHEN WE WERE, SO [00:10:01] I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROPERTY, WHERE IT IS. OKAY. AND HERE IS THE, UH, LAND WE CAN HELP YOU, UM, CHAIRWOMAN TO. YEP. THIS IS THE SAME EXACT LANDSCAPING, CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPING PLAN. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH MR. MARIN 'CAUSE IT'S HIS PROPERTY TO CHOOSE THE SPECIFIC TREES THAT HE WANTS. BUT THE AMOUNT OF TREES MAINTAINS THE SAME AS YOU GUYS SAW AT THE LAST MEETING WE APPEARED BEFORE YOU AT, OKAY. SO JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THIS, WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST, THE DRIVEWAY WAS SPLIT AS PROPERTY TO THE TWO LOTS THAT MR. MARIN OWNS? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. GOT, GOT IT. NOW IT'S CLEAR IN MY HEAD WHAT YOU'RE DOING. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I'D LIKE TO REPHRASE THINGS TO SEE IF I GOT IT CORRECTLY. RATHER THAN THE DRIVEWAY SQUARE FOOTAGE BELONGING BEING SPLIT BETWEEN THE TWO LOTS, THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE WILL NOW ALL BELONG TO THE LOT, LOT THE LOT ONE AND LOT TWO WILL END WHERE IT BASICALLY GOES INTO YOUR DRIVEWAY. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THE REASON I, I MEAN, THE REASON THAT WE HAVE TO DO THE LINE THERE IS TO PROVIDE THE ADEQUATE FRONTAGE UNDER THE CODE. UM, OKAY. YEP. THAT'S A VERY SMALL, UH, THAT'S A VERY SMALL ADJUSTMENT, RIGHT? I MEAN, YES, I THINK IT'S MINOR, BUT YOU KNOW, TECHNICALLY WE ARE AFFECTING A PARCEL IN THE WETLAND BUFFER. SO WE DID HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE YOUR BOARD. I THINK IF WE NEED, IF WE ALL HAD THE FORESIGHT TO DO THIS A FEW MONTHS AGO, APPROXIMATELY, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SCALE, BUT IT LOOKS VERY SMALL. APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY FEET IS IT, DAVE? DO YOU KNOW THAT ANSWER? I, I DIDN'T HEAR THE QUESTION. HOW MANY FEET ARE WE CHANGING TECHNICALLY? OH, OF THE, UH, OF THE PROPERTY LINE? YEAH. UH, LET'S SEE HERE. IT LOOKS VERY SMALL BECAUSE YOU JUST GIVE US AN APPROXIMATE NUMBER. WELL, THIS HERE IS ONLY ABOUT 25 FEET. IT'S RIGHT, IT'S THIS PIECE OF THE PROPERTY LINE HERE THAT'S GONNA BE ABANDONED BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES. A ACTUALLY, WHAT'S WHAT'S GOOD ABOUT THIS IS NOW THAT, THAT A PROPERTY HAS ONE OWNER WHERE THE PLANTINGS ARE GOING. SO THAT MAKES IT EASIER TO, IF ANYTHING GOES WRONG, TO SEEK RECOURSE IN TERMS OF REPLANTING. BECAUSE BEFORE YOU COULD HAVE HAD, IF THEORETICALLY, A CONFLICT BETWEEN WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHICH HALF OF THAT IMPLANTED AREA. MM-HMM. . SO IT ACTUALLY SEEMS LIKE A BETTER SOLUTION. YEAH. I ASK A QUESTION. WAS, WAS THE PROPERTY THAT'S BEING READJUSTED SUBDIVIDED PRIOR TO THIS? OR DID THE THAT JUST GET SUBDIVIDED IN THIS ENTIRE TRANSACTION? NO, THIS WAS SUBDIVIDED YEARS AGO. DAVE. DO YOU, DAVE OR AARON? DO YOU KNOW THE EXACT YEAR? WAS IT IN THE EIGHTIES? MAYBE THAT THE SUBDIVIDED MAYBE EVEN, MAYBE EVEN SEVENTIES. I'M NOT, I UH, I THINK IT WAS IN THE SEVENTIES. EVEN SEVENTIES. OH, THANKS. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. THE LI LIBRARY PAGE FROM THIS, UH, DEEDS ARE ON THE, YOU CAN SEE THEM. THANK YOU. OKAY, SURE. SO I GUESS I, I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE IS THERE, THERE'S NOTHING IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING THAT CHANGES WHAT WAS THE PLANTING SCHEDULE AND, AND THE REMEDIATION FROM THE LAST TIME YOU WERE BEFORE US, CORRECT. SO YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. I NEED SOME, SOME, SOME GUIDANCE HERE. WHEN WE GO TO COMMENT, IS THERE ANYTHING OTHER THAN SAYING THAT, UH, WE, WE RECOMMEND THIS, APPROVE THIS AND, AND, AND THAT ALL OF THE PLANTINGS REFERRED TO AND THE, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE PRIOR PROJECTS STAY IN PLACE AND THAT'S SUFFICIENT? YEAH. I'LL, I'LL, I WAS GONNA SAY I'LL DEFER TO ERIN, BUT UM, THE BOARD IS GOING TO BE REVIEWING, THEY'RE GONNA BE APPROVING THESE HOPEFULLY, UM, AS TWO SEPARATE APPROVALS OF COURSE. BUT THEY ARE GOING TO BE DOING A JOINT PUBLIC HEARING. AND FOR ALL INTENSIVES PURPOSES, I THINK THEY'LL BE REVIEWING THEM TOGETHER. SO AARON, I DEFER TO YOU. I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE, BUT UM, THAT'S REALLY UP TO THE TOWN. I AGREE. I I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DISTURBANCE IN THE BUFFER, AND I HAD BROUGHT IT TO THE APPLICANT'S ATTENTION, SORRY, MY CAT'S CRAWLING ON MY SHOULDER. UM, IS THE REMOVAL OF A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. YOU KNOW, THE, THE BUFFER KIND OF GOES, I'D SAY AT LEAST 75, 80% OF THE WAY DOWN DRIVEWAY REPLANTING IT WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, PREDOMINANTLY NATIVE VEGETATION, TREES AND SHRUBS. AND THEN, [00:15:01] UM, NEW IMPERVIOUS THAT WOULD BE MUCH LESS TYING INTO THE NEWLY PROPOSED CUL-DE-SAC AREA. SO I THINK IT'S AN OVERALL BENEFIT. AND, AND I WAS GONNA SAY, THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT HURTS THE WETLAND, UH, VIS-A-VIS WITH WHAT WE HAD BEFORE. RIGHT? THERE'S NO HARM. ABSOLUTELY NOT. ABSOLUTELY NOT. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO, UH, WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO DO, AARON? WE, WHAT DO, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO APPROVE? SO I THINK THE C A C HAS TO CONSIDER ISSUING ITS RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING BOARD ON THE WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT ASPECT OF THIS RE SUBDIVISION PROPOSAL. OKAY. I MOVE, WE DO THAT TO RECORD. AND WE DID PROVIDE A STAFF REPORT. SO, UM, WITH THE CONDITIONS REFERENCE THAT, THAT YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD TYPICALLY REFERENCE. YES. COULD SOMEONE SECOND THIS PLEASE? SECOND THAT WAS DONNA. YES. THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE, SHARON? YES. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO SEE YOU AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR REVIEW. HAVE A NICE, YOU'RE WELCOME. IT LOOKS LIKE A VERY NICE SOLUTION AND WE'LL THANK YOU. WE'LL HAVE YOU ALL ON WITH THE PLANNING BOARD APRIL 7TH. THANK YOU, ERIN. THANK YOU ERIN. WE'LL BE IN TOUCH NEXT WEEK. OKAY. HAVE A GREAT EVENING. YOU TOO. BYE-BYE. THANK YOU. BYE-BYE. THANKS EVERYBODY. YOU'RE WELCOME. IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE ONE WITHOUT CONFLICT. . SHE, SHE'S, YOU KNOW, SHE'S PRETTY GOOD. I MEAN, SHE, EVERY TIME SHE'S COMING HERE, SHE'S GIVEN US A VERY COACH AND, UM, YOU KNOW, PRESENTATION. WE CAN, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ABSORB. YES. AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. 'CAUSE SOMETIMES YOU'LL FIND THAT THEY HAVE THE STUFF UP ON THE SCREEN AND THEY'RE TRYING TO TELL YOU AND YOU'RE LIKE, I JUST DON'T QUITE FOLLOW WHERE, WHERE THAT ARROW IS GOING OR WHAT'S HAPPENING. SO, UM, SO GETTING BACK TO OUR, OUR AGENDA. WE'VE HAD SOME CORRESPONDENCE. UM, WE'VE RECEIVED TWO TREE REMOVAL NOTICES. UH, ONE WAS FOR REMOVING, UH, NINE INVASIVE NORWAY MAPLES, WHICH ARE COMING OUT. UM, THE OTHER ONE WAS FOR TAKING DOWN A DISEASED CHERRY TREE. AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE REPLANTED IS THREE TREES, A CHERRY AND APPLE AND A PEACH. SO I SUS, I SUSPECT ON THAT THE CHERRY TREE THAT'S COMING DOWN WAS PROBABLY A WILD CHERRY TREE. 'CAUSE WITH THE CONCEPT OF REPLACING THE VALUE, IT WOULD'VE BEEN A ONE FOR ONE IF IT WAS JUST A, A FRUIT CHERRY TREE. BUT I THINK THEY'RE REPLACING A BIGGER TREE. SO IT WAS PROBABLY A WILD CHERRY TREE, BUT REPLACEMENT IS GONNA BE THREE FRUIT TREES. SO THOSE WERE TWO. THE OTHER PIECE OF, UH, NAIL WE GOT WAS FROM SOMEONE WHO SENT IT ON, THE WOMAN'S NAME IS PEGGY TILLIS AND SHE'S HEAD OF THE BOULDER RIDGE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. AND SHE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING WITH A CONED GRID PROGRAM. AND SHE WAS LOOKING FOR US TO, I GUESS, INTERACT WITH HER. AND I DON'T KNOW QUITE WHAT SHE'S ASKING FOR FROM US. AND I DIDN'T CONTACT HER. I SAID WE'D HAVE SOMEONE CONTACT HER AFTER TONIGHT'S MEETING. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT EXACTLY SHE'S HOPING TO DO OR WHETHER IT'S AN APPROPRIATE THING FOR US TO ADVISE HER IN ANY WAY. I WAS KIND OF HOPING MAYBE ONE OF OUR SOON TO BE APPROVED NEW MEMBERS . I COULD SEND THEM THE EMAIL AND THEY COULD CONTACT HER BY EMAIL AND SORT OF FIND OUT WHAT IT IS SHE'S TRYING TO DO. WHAT DID SHE SAY? WHAT DOES SHE WANNA DO WITH THE CONED GRID? IT'S NOT EVEN A CONED CONED GRID PRO. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT A CONED GRID PROGRAM IS. MY YOU DO, LIZ. YES. . I ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THIS IS. UM, I ACTUALLY JUST GOT AN EMAIL ABOUT IT TODAY FROM SUSTAINABLE WESTCHESTER. ALTHOUGH I HAD HEARD ABOUT IT. IT'S ACTUALLY A GREAT IDEA. UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE TOWN WOULD NEED TO GET INVOLVED IN, BUT, UH, SUSTAINABLE WESTCHESTER IS ALREADY SPONSORING AND, AND RUNNING THIS WITH CONED. YOU SIGN UP THROUGH AN APP ON YOUR CELL PHONE, ON YOUR SMARTPHONE, AND, UM, HANG ON. I'M JUST LOOK LOOKING FOR EXACTLY WHAT IT DOES. SO WHAT IT, IT ALLOWS YOU TO REDUCE YOUR ELECTRICITY WHEN THE APP SENDS YOU AN ALERT THAT THE GRID IS BEING OVERTAXED. IF YOU THEN GO AND REDUCE YOUR ELECTRICITY AT THAT PEAK TIME, LIKE DURING, UM, HEAT WAVE IN THE SUMMER, IF YOU GO AND LOWER YOUR, YOU KNOW, MAKE YOUR AC UP YOUR AC SO IT'S, YOU'RE NOT USING AS MUCH, UM, THAT WILL [00:20:01] HELP US PREVENT BURNOUTS. IT'LL, UM, AVOID, UH, IT, IT'LL JUST TAKE, TAKE STRESS OFF OF THE POWER PLANT. AND THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO REWARD RESIDENTS BY ACTUALLY PAYING YOU. I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH, UM, YOU GET GRID REWARDS. THEY'RE GONNA SEND YOU A CHECK IF YOU DO THIS, THAT WILL OBVIOUSLY TO, TO COMPENSATE YOU FOR, FOR HELPING THEM SAVE MONEY AND NOT HAVE A POWER OUTAGE. AND IT'S OPEN TO RESIDENTS, SMALL TO MEDIUM BUSINESSES, HOUSES OF WORSHIP CLUBS, NON MUNICIPAL ORGANIZATIONS, COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS, ANYBODY WITHIN CONED TERRITORY. SO WHAT, SO WHAT DOES SHE WANT? SHE WANTS PUB, UH, PUB. WHAT WE CAN DO IS PUBLICITY. RIGHT. I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT SHE WAS LOOKING FOR. 'CAUSE THAT WAS SORT OF THE SENSE I GOT WHEN I LOOKED AT IT. AND I WAS SORT OF SURPRISED. 'CAUSE YEARS AGO, CONED USED TO GIVE YOU A FREE, UM, THERMOSTAT AND THEN THEY COULD RE FOR YOUR AIR CONDITIONING AND HEAT AND THEY WOULD REPROGRAM IT REMOTELY. UM, AND I KNOW I HAD ONE, BUT THEN WHEN I DID THE REMNANT RENOVATIONS, I GOT RID OF IT AND I, I'M NOT ON IT ANYMORE, BUT I KEEP MY STUFF LIKE IN DIFFERENT AND REALLY HIGH IN THE SUMMER OR LOW ON THE WES. SO I GUESS LIZ TERRY, YOU COULD SIGN UP SO YOU CAN START GETTING MONEY BACK . BUT AT ANY RATE, UM, LIZ, WOULD YOU WANT, IF I SEND YOU THE EMAIL, WOULD YOU WANT ABSOLUTELY. I ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY KNOW PEGGY, SO I'M HAPPY TO REACH OUT TO HER. AND I THINK THE OTHER, I'M NOT SURE IF I SAID, SO IF YOU HAVE THIS APP, THE APP WILL SEND YOU AN ALERT WHEN IT WANTS YOU TO DO SOMETHING AND IT'LL TELL YOU WHAT IT WANTS YOU TO DO. OH, OKAY. SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT 'CAUSE THEY'RE PUTTING IT ON THE PERSON TO, RATHER THAN JUST GOING IN AND DOING IT ARBITRARILY IN RIGHT. IN YOUR HOUSE. 'CAUSE THAT'S THE WAY THE OLD ONE, THEY WOULD JUST ARBITRARILY IF THEY DECIDED THEY WANTED TO, UM, REDUCE YOUR, YOUR AIR CONDITIONING, YOUR RI OR YOUR, OR LOWER YOUR HEAT, THEY WOULD DO IT, UM, ON THEIR OWN. OKAY. I WILL SEND THAT TO YOU, LIZ. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THAT ON. AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT SHE'S LOOKING FOR IN TERMS OF HEALTH. UM, I'M NOT QUITE SURE. YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S JUST EXPLAINING IT MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT YOU OBVIOUSLY DID A VERY NICE JOB OF EXPLAINING IT AND MAYBE THAT'S THE HELP SHE NEEDS IS SOMEONE TO BE ABLE TO ARTICULATE WHAT IT IS EXACTLY. THAT WOULD HAPPEN. LIZ, THE ONE THING THAT WE CAN OFFER HER IS WE CAN PREPARE, DONNA DID THIS ONCE BEFORE ON THE T CUTTING STUFF, AND DONNA AND MARGARET DID IT. WE CAN PREPARE AN EMAIL FOR HER, WHICH WE WOULD FORWARD TO THE TOWN SUPERVISOR, WHICH HE WOULD PUT ON HIS EMAIL LIST, WHICH HAS, I DON'T KNOW IF I, I DON'T KNOW AARON, IF YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ON IT, BUT IT'S THOUSANDS I ASSUME. YEAH, I THINK IT'S UPWARDS OF 5,000 SUBSCRIBERS. SO, SO WE CAN GIVE HER THAT KIND OF PUBLICITY. WE CAN, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WITH YOUR HELP, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TAKE THE LEAD, UH, PREPARING AN EMAIL THAT WE WOULD SEND TO THE TOWN SUPERVISOR AND REQUEST. HE PUT IT ON THE, UH, I ACTUALLY GOT THIS, UM, IN AN EMAIL FROM RUTH WALTER. SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW THE WORD IS SPREADING. OKAY. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. WE CAN HELP SUPPLEMENT THAT. GOOD. YEAH. AND IT MAY BE BECAUSE IT'S A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, SHE MAY BE LOOKING FOR, HOW DOES SHE GET A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION TO UNDERSTAND IT? WELL, WE CAN ALSO, UM, DO WE HAVE THE LIST OF ALL THE CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS? ERIN? WE HAVE A LIST. WE, IT'S HOUSED IN THE TOWN CLERK'S OFFICE. I DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY HOW UP TO DATE IT IS. I KNOW GARRETT HAS PERIODICALLY PROVIDED INFORMATION THAT HE HAS RECEIVED, UH, TO THE TOWN CLERK SO THAT THE LIST CAN BE UPDATED, BUT UPDATED THERE IS ONE. YES. WE, WE COULD ALSO, ASSUMING WE COULD ALSO, UH, SEND WHATEVER EMAIL WE SEND TO PAUL FOR HIM SENDING OUT ON THE, ON THE EMAIL LIST. WE'D ALSO SEND IT TO WHAT, AT LEAST WHATEVER WE THINK OF THE CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS. EVEN IF IT'S NOT PERFECT. MAYBE IT'S 80% PERFECT. RIGHT. REDISTRIBUTE. THAT'D BE GREAT. OKAY. OKAY. SO THE OTHER THINGS WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT, UM, WELL, LET'S SEE. WE HAVE ELWOOD, UH, WE SENT THE, THE A NOTE WE APPROVED LAST MEETING TO GARRETT, UM, EXCUSE ME, TERRY, UH, UH, UH, AARON, WOULD YOU PLEASE ASK, UM, UH, GARRETT, UH, UH, UM, THE 45 DAYS, YOU KNOW, SEQL PROVIDES THE, THE FINALIST SUPPOSED TO BE WITHIN 45 DAYS. UM, AND SQL ALSO PROVIDES, YOU CAN EXTEND TIME PERIODS AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A, A WRITING TO EXTEND IT. UM, THE 45 DAYS, AS I CALCULATED IT ONCE I REMEMBER FROM MY HEAD, BUT I COULD BE OFF A DAY OR TWO, WAS APRIL 9TH. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF APRIL 9TH IS STILL THE [00:25:01] DATE IN WHICH IT WOULD BE EXPECTED TO BE DELIVERED. UH, BUT IF IT IS NOT, UH, THE DEPARTMENT I THINK IS GOING TO WANT TO GET A WRITTEN EXTENSION FROM THE APPLICANT. UM, OTHERWISE THE DEPARTMENT COULD GET CRITICIZED AS NOT HAVING, UH, FOLLOWED THE C Q A PROCEDURE IN TIME. RIGHT. I WILL, I I WILL COMMUNICATE WITH HIM TOMORROW ON THIS. OKAY. AN EMAIL, AN EMAIL FROM, UH, THE APPLICANT OR THE APPLICANT'S COUNSEL, BE FINE. AND WE AGREE THAT THE 45 DAYS IS EXTENDED TO SOMETHING. I MEAN, WHATEVER, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A HARD DEADLINE SUBJECT TO WRITTEN EXTENSION IN S QL. OKAY. SO SORT OF GETTING BACK TO SOMETHING WE TOUCHED ON AT THE START OF THE MEETING, UM, THE WAY THE CAC IS, IS CONFIGURED BY TOWN LAW IS WE HAVE SEVEN MEMBERS IN ONE ALTERNATE. NOW THE PERSON WHO'S THE ALTERNATE, UM, GETS ALL THE INFORMATION, GETS ALL THE EMAILS, IS NOT, IS, IS TOTALLY INVOLVED. AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM, AS WE ARE GOING THROUGH THIS, INVARIABLY SOMEBODY IS MISSING. SO THE ALTERNATE GETS TO VOTE ANYTIME, PRETTY MUCH ANYTIME THEY SHOW UP. UM, IF FOR SOME REASON THE FULL SEVEN PEOPLE SHOW UP, THEN LE LEGALLY THE ALTERNATE DOESN'T VOTE. BUT OUR PROCESS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT ANYONE WHO'S THE ALTERNATE HAS FULL INVOLVEMENT IN THE C A C OR THEIR COMMENTS ARE TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY. IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A, A JUNIOR POSITION OR A SECONDARY POSITION. SO WHAT I'D LIKE YOU FOLKS TO DO, GETTING ME, SO I CAN SEND THIS ON TO THE TOWN CLERK AND THE SUPERVISOR TO SET UP THE INTERVIEWS. UH, EMAIL ME AND INDICATE WHETHER YOU WOULD WANT TO BE A REGULAR MEMBER OR THE ALTERNATE. AND IF YOU HAVE YOUR RESUME HANDY, IF YOU COULD ATTACH IT TO THAT EMAIL, IT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR ME THAN TO SEND ON THE NOTES THAT I HAVE THE NAME WITH THE EMAIL. UM, IF WE HAVE ALL THREE OF YOU WANT TO BE A REGULAR MEMBER AND NO ONE PUTS THEMSELVES FORTH AS THE FOURTH IS THE ALTERNATE, WHAT I WILL DO IS I WILL PUT THE NAMES IN A BOLD AND I'LL PICK THE ALTERNATE. I CANNOT THINK OF ANOTHER WAY OF DOING IT. IF SOMEONE HAS ANOTHER WAY OF DOING IT, PLEASE LEMME KNOW. SO I SUSPECT ONE OF YOU MIGHT DECIDE, I I WOULD BE HAPPY TO BE AN ALTERNATE. I WOULDN'T FEEL LIGHTED. THANK YOU, NANCY. YOU'VE SOLVED A PROBLEM. I LIKE A PROBLEM SOLVER. . BUT, BUT NANCY, WE STILL NEED FROM YOU, UM, YOUR RESUME BECAUSE EVEN THE ALTERNATE, THE ALTON'S AN OFFICIAL TOWN POSITION, IT'S NOT, AND, AND AGAIN, BUT RE NOTHING SPECIAL. IT'S JUST AROUND 20 PAGES WILL BE FINE FOR, WELL, ONE PAGE WILL BE FINE. JUST A ONE. OKAY. SO WE'RE MOVING ALONG ON THAT, WHICH IS GREAT. THANK YOU. PRINCIPALLY HOW LONG YOU'VE LIVED HERE AND, AND SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR BACKGROUND AND YOU KNOW, JUST ONE PAGE IS ALL YOU NEED. GREAT, GREAT. OKAY. SO, SO I GUESS IF WE LOOK AT OUR ONGOING ITEMS, THE TWO THINGS THAT WE'VE HAD AT LEAST MIKE AND I HAVE BEEN SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON IS THE, UM, BATTERY STORAGE AND THE BLOWER LAW. WHICH ONE DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT FIRST? MIKE . . I DON'T KNOW. YOU, YOU PICK, YOU. I THAT'S ABOVE MY PAY GRADE. YOU PICK. OKAY. WELL, THE BLOWER LAW WE'VE HAD, OBVIOUSLY WE GET COPIED ON ALL THE EMAILS. THIS TOWN IS KIND OF SPLIT EVENLY BETWEEN THE PEOPLE WHO, WHO WANT AN ABSOLUTELY RIGID BLOWER LAW, WHERE YOU NEVER USE A BLOWER ANYTIME A YEAR FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE ABLE TO USE A BLOWER AT ALL TIMES, ALL HOURS, AND UNDER ALL CIRCUMSTANCES. SO THE, AND WE'VE MET WITH SOME PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE BLOWER LORE REMAIN. UM, AND SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, SCARSDALE HAS RECENTLY PASSED A NEW BLOWER LAW, MODIFIED THEIR BLOWER LAW. AND THIS IS INTERESTING BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO STILL THINK THAT ELECTRIC POWERED BLOWERS ARE OKAY. AND THEY DON'T SEEM TO RECOGNIZE THAT THEY'RE BASICALLY AS HARMFUL IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY DO TO THE SOIL IN TERMS OF THE DEBRIS THEY BLOW UP INTO THE AIR THAT'S HARMFUL TO CHILDREN. AND THE NOISE LEVEL, I MEAN, THEY'RE MAKING IT AN A WEIRD AR UH, AN ARGUMENT THAT SOMEHOW, BECAUSE THE NOISE IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ON A GAS BLOWER, IT DOESN'T BOTHER PEOPLE AS MUCH AS THE NOISE FROM AN ELECTRIC BLOWER. [00:30:01] UM, , I, I, I THINK THAT IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE, AND I THINK VERY OFTEN IT MAY BE A NEIGHBOR, NOT A LANDSCAPE, BECAUSE THE LANDSCAPE IS WANNA GET IN AND GET OUT, WHO'S USING A BLOWER FOR AN HOUR OR SO, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA REALLY CARE TOO MUCH THAT THE QUALITY OF THE NOISE IS SLIGHTLY LESS AGGRESSIVE OR SOMETHING. AND JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE OF THIS, BECAUSE, UM, THE OFFICIAL C A C MEMBERS WERE CC'D ON THE RESPONSES THAT MIKE AND I HAD TODAY TO A NOTE THAT WE RECEIVED FROM PAUL THIS MORNING, WHICH SAID, WELL, WHY DON'T WE USE THIS AS A MODEL FOR A COMPROMISE? WELL, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME REAL FLAWS IN THE LAW. UM, BUT THERE WERE TWO, SO MIKE POINTED OUT OBVIOUSLY THESE REALLY SIGNIFICANT FLAWS IN THE SCARSDALE LAW. BUT DID, DID EVERY GET A COPY OF, UH, THE EMAIL? WELL, WELL, THE POTENTIAL MEMBERS DID NOT NANCY, LIZ. AND, AND AND GEORGE DID. YEAH, NO, I SENT IT TO HIM. OH, ACTUALLY I DID. YEAH, I I HAVE THE EMAIL. YEAH, YOU GET IT GEORGE. YOU GET IT, LIZ. YOU GOT IT. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. SO, AND IF YOU READ NOW AT THE BOTTOM, YOU SEE WHAT WE RESPOND TO. AND TERRY AND I TERRY REVIEWED IT BEFORE I SENT IT OUT. YEAH. SO, AND THEN I SENT ONE OUT, WHICH I GUESS I DID NOT CC YOU FOLKS ON, SO I'LL SEND IT TO YOU. I BASICALLY TOOK EXCEPTION FOR THE C A C FOR TWO REASONS. ONE WAS IT WAS A TOTAL DISREGARD FOR THE LITERALLY HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF HOURS OF WORK THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND TO TRY AND FIND A COMPROMISE POSITION IN OUR TOWN AND TO BRING PEOPLE TO RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS. AND IN ADDITION, ON THE EMAIL THAT PAUL SENT OUT WITH THIS SORT OF, OH, LET'S GO WITH WHAT SCARSDALE HAS, HE INCLUDED, BESIDES MIKE AND MYSELF, A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY WHO IS IN FAVOR OF BLOWERS. SO HE HAS GIVEN CREDENCE TO THE IDEA THAT IT IS OKAY TO USE THESE BLOWERS. AND, AND HE HAS TOTALLY UNDERMINED ALL THE EFFORTS MIKE AND I HAVE MADE DEALING WITH MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND TRYING TO BRING THEM TO ACCEPTING THE LAW THAT WE SUGGESTED. AND THAT LAW BASICALLY HAS NO BLOWERS IN THE SUMMER. AND WE'VE WORKED VERY HARD TO MAKE PEOPLE SEE THAT IT'S HAS, YOU KNOW, ALLOWS THE REMOVAL USE OF BLOWERS AT THE TIMES OF YEAR WHEN THEY REALLY NEED THE NEED TO BE USED. AND WE'VE WORKED VERY HARD TO TRY AND BRING CONSENSUS AROUND THE DRAFT LAW. WE HAD. WE DID A LOT OF WORK WITH TOWN STAFF, AND TOWN STAFF WAS VERY COOPERATIVE WHEN WE WERE WORKING WITH THEM AND COLLABORATIVE. AND, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY STAFF TOWN STAFF WAS RELUCTANT. AND WHEN THEY REALLY MET WITH US AND TALKED WITH US, WE CAME TO AN AGREEMENT AND WE'VE MOVED THIS THING ALONG SLOWLY. WE CERTAINLY HAD INDICATED ALREADY THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT WAS MADE AT THE PUBLIC MEETING, SOMEONE COMMENTED, THEY THOUGHT OUR FINES WERE TOO HIGH, AND THAT SHOULD BE A WARNING MECHANISM, WHICH WE THOUGHT WAS A VERY VALID AND GOOD COMMENT. SO, NEEDLESS TO SAY, MIKE AND I WERE WHITE ANNOYED WHEN WE SAW THIS EMAIL BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, WHAT DID WE DO ALL THAT WORK FOR? BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE BASICALLY PUT THE WHOLE THING IN DISARRAY AND YOU'VE GIVEN, AND YOU DIDN'T COME TO THE C A C AND SAY, OH, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF ASCO LAW? YOU WENT OUT AND KIND OF ENDORSED IT AND ENDORSED IT TO SOMEONE OUTSIDE OF THE IMMEDIATE DISCUSSION GROUP, SOMEONE FROM THE PUBLIC. SO MIKE AND I BOTH FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THIS. AND, UM, WHAT MIKE WOULD LIKE SUGGESTED, AND I'M NOT AVERSE TO IT, IT WAS HIS IDEA IS THAT THE CAC C TAKE A POSITION THAT IF IN FACT PAUL REALLY WANTS TO PUSH THE SCARSDALE LAW, THAT WE GO ON RECORD, THAT WE, IT'S A LAW WE CAN'T SUPPORT BECAUSE WE FEEL IT IS, WELL, AS MIKE SAYS, A LIE. AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT SOLVING ANY OF THESE PROBLEMS. YOU'RE COMING FORWARD WITH A LAW THAT HAS, UM, AT LEAST IN SCARS JAIL, A VERY COMPLICATED SCHEDULE FOR WHEN THINGS ARE AND BASICALLY IS UNENFORCEABLE. BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE, EVEN IF YOU TOOK THAT LAW, YOU'D HAVE TO KNOW WHETHER THE PERSON THAT SOMEONE CALLS, YOU KNOW, CALLS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS [00:35:01] TO COME OUT, THEY HAVE TO CHECK WHETHER OR NOT THE BLOWER WAS A GAS BLOWER, AN ELECTRIC BLOWER, YOU KNOW? UM, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT WAS, IT JUST DOESN'T WORK IN TERMS OF TRYING TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS THAT GREENBERG HAS. WHEREAS THE APPROACH WE TOOK REALLY ADDRESSES THE HARMFUL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, AT LEAST FOR THE SUMMER MONTHS, WHEN THE POLLUTION IN THE AIR IS THE WORST BECAUSE THE AIR QUALITY IS DIFFERENT IN THE SUMMER. SO THE PARTICLES STAY IN THE AIR LONGER IN THE SUMMER, PLUS THE CHILDREN ARE OUT ALL DAY IN THE SUMMER. AND EVEN IN TERMS OF THE SOIL, THE, YOU KNOW, IT, EVEN THOUGH IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE BLOWING ALL THE TIME IN THE FALL, IT IT ISN'T AS MANY WEEKS. 'CAUSE THEY DON'T ALWAYS, THEY BASICALLY BLOW WHEN THE LEAGUES COME DOWN. AND THAT IS NOT, EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE THIS BIG RANGE IN TERMS OF MONTHS, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE LEAVES ARE GONNA FALL. MOST LANDSCAPERS, THEY WANNA DO THE LEAST NUMBER OF TIMES TO GET THE LEAVES OUT OF THE, AND GET DONE. SO WHAT MIKE AND I ARE SUGGESTING THAT WE HAVE A RESOLUTION FROM THE C A C THAT IF, UM, WE GO TO THIS TYPE OF THING OF ALLOWING ELECTRIC BORROWERS, WE WOULD NOT SUPPORT A LAW THAT DID THAT. AND I, IT'S, UH, I DON'T KNOW, MIKE, YOU THINK I EXPLAINED IT OR YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING? ABSOLUTELY. I I THINK YOU EXPLAINED IT EXACTLY RIGHT. AND, UH, I THINK THE CONCEPT THAT PAUL HAS IS ONE THAT IMPAIRS THE HONESTY AND CREDIBILITY OF THE C A C TO SAY THAT EXEMPTING ELECTRIC BLOWERS, UM, QUOTE DOESN'T COST MUCH. WELL, IT DOES COST MUCH ON ONE SIDE. YOU'VE GOT, UM, THE, UM, AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, YOU'VE GOT THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES, YOU'VE GOT THE, UM, UM, UM, MOUNT SINAI CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL, UH, YOU KNOW, AND ON THE OTHER SIDE YOU'VE GOT PAUL FINE SAYING IT DIDN'T COST AS MUCH, UH, MM-HMM. , IT DOESN'T COST IT, IT, IT DOES COST MUCH IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING THE, UM, THE HEALTH PROTECTION OF RESIDENTS AND THEN ADDRESSING, UH, UM, THE ANNOYING, UM, NOISE POLLUTION, WHICH IS ABOVE THE TOWN CODE LIMITS. SO, UM, I, I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR MISSION IS OUR STATUTORY MISSION IS TO ADVISE THE TOWN BOARD DEVISE THE, OR TO ADVISE THE, ON THE TOWN ON, UH, AND I JUST DON'T THINK WE CAN, UM, NOT ADVISE THAT. YEAH. IT DOES COST A LOT. AND SO I, I, I DON'T, I MEAN, IF IT DOESN'T COME UP, I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE TRY TO PICK A FIGHT OR ANYTHING, BUT, UH, IF IT COMES, IF SOMETHING COMES UP THAT EXEMPTING BLOWERS, I THINK WE NEED TO EX EXPRESS OUR ADVICE. SO DON AND SHARON, SINCE YOU, YOU'RE VOTING MEMBERS AS OF TONIGHT, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS? DO YOU WANNA GO FIRST? SHARON? YOU'RE MUTED. SHARON LOVES IT. SHE'S SMILING. , I GET OVER THAT. I NEVER REMEMBER. I'M AM 100%. I FORGET TO UNMUTE. YEAH. I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECALL, BUT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN IN FAVOR OF BANNING GAS BLOWERS. OTHER THAN THAT, I, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT, UH, PAUL OBVIOUSLY IS NOT AWARE OF, OF THE THOUGHT AND THE YEAH. HE, HE JUST ISN'T PAYING ATTENTION BECAUSE OTHER THAN THAT, I, I DON'T THINK HIS SCARSDALE LAW WOULD BE BETTER. JUST FROM WHAT YOU'VE, UH, JUST FROM THE WAY YOU'VE DESCRIBED IT, I THINK THAT THE HARSDALE LAW, THE C A C LAW, IT'S PROBABLY FAR SUPERIOR. IF CARL WANTS TO BAN GAS BLOWERS ALSO, I WOULD NOT ELECTRIC YOU'RE SAYING GAS, WHICH I THINK YOU MEAN ELECTRIC, DON'T YOU? NO, I MEAN, BAN GAS. TOTALLY. OH, TOTALLY. NO, NO, HE DOESN'T WANNA, HE DOESN'T, HE, THAT THAT ONE'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. I MEAN, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. I MEAN, EVEN SCARS LESS THAN USE, USE GAS IN THE FALL, IT JUST REALLY, YEAH. OKAY. WELL YOU ASKED, THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT, DONNA. I KIND OF JUST WANNA TELL HIM, PLEASE GO READ OUR REPORT. LIKE I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. DID, DID. WHY WOULD YOU ASK THAT QUESTION IF YOU'VE READ OUR REPORT? [00:40:01] THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. AND WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU? MM-HMM. DOESN'T THAT LEAVE KIND OF A PIT IN YOUR STOMACH? YEAH, I MEAN, I JUST, AND I DIDN'T EVEN, I MEAN, MARGARET AND PETER PUT SO MUCH WORK INTO THIS, AND SO I FEEL A LOT FOR THEM. LIKE, IT'S JUST SUCH A SLAP IN THE FACE. YEAH. IT JUST IS. IT'S, IT, IT WAS BECAUSE AFTER CAME IN AND MIKE CALLED ME THIS MORNING AND HE SAID, DID YOU SEE IT? AND I SAID, YES, THE STEAM IS STILL COMING OUTTA MY EARS , BECAUSE I WAS JUST SO TAKEN BACK THAT IT, SO MUCH WORK HAS BEEN DONE. AND THEN ALSO, IF YOU REALLY WANT ALLURE, THEN YOU DON'T MUDDY THE WATERS WHEN YOU SEEM TO BE CIRCLING IN ON POSSIBLY GETTING ACCEPTANCE AND START THE WHOLE DIALOGUE ALL OVER AGAIN. SO I GUESS, WHAT DO WE WANT? DO WE WANNA DO A VOTE ON THIS, MIKE? OR DO WE WANNA JUST OKAY. I, I THINK WE NEED AN OFFICIAL RESOLUTION. IF THE CAC C'S GOING TO TAKE A POSITION IN FRONT OF THE, I MEAN, I, THIS MAY NEVER COME UP, BUT IF IT DOES COME UP, IF THE CAC C'S GONNA TAKE AN OFFICIAL POSITION, UH, YEAH, I THINK WE NEED A VOTE. OKAY. SO HOW DO YOU WANNA PHRASE THAT SO THAT WE HAVE IT IN THE MINUTES? SOMETHING LIKE THIS. UH, THAT IF THERE'S A PROPOSAL, UM, TO EXAMPLE, LEAF BLOWERS OUTSIDE OF THE, UH, FALL CLEANUP AND SPRING CLEANUP PERIOD, UM, THE C A C UM, OPPOSE THAT PROPOSAL ON THE GROUNDS THAT IT DOES NOT ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS OF, UH, HEALTH OF RESIDENTS AND ANNOYING AND ANNOYING, UH, AND ANNOYING NOISE POLLUTION OR SOMETHING. AND DAMAGE TO THE SOIL. YEAH. AND DAMAGE TO THE SOIL. NOW, I, YOU SAID DOES NOT RESTRICT BLOWS, DO YOU, UM, DO YOU WANNA QUALIFY THE BLOWERS ANY FURTHER? SAY, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID, TERRY. UH, I GUESS THE WAY IT IS, WHY DON'T YOU READ IT BACK, DONNA, IF YOU, IF YOU GOT IT , I'LL DO MY BEST. UM, THE C IF THIS PROPOSAL IS PUT FORWARD, THE C A C CAN'T SUPPORT THE, I'M SORRY, THAT WAS THE WRONG SENTENCE. WE WOULD VOTE THAT IF THERE IS A PROPOSAL TO EXEMPT ELECTRIC BLOWERS OUTSIDE OF THE SPRING AND FALL CLEANUP, THE C A C WOULD BE OPPOSED AS IT DOESN'T ADDRESS PROBLEMS OF HEALTH, NOISE AND SOIL DAMAGE. HEALTH OF RESIDENTS, UH, HEALTH OF RESIDENTS, HEALTH OF RESIDENTS, UH, NO, UH, NOISE, UH, NOISE COMPLYING WITH THE TOWN CODE. AND, UH, UH, UH, AND, AND WHAT WAS THE, THE FINAL CLAUSE OF THE SOILS? SOIL DAMAGE. SOIL DAMAGE. PERFECT. YEAH. OKAY. CAN I JUMP IN? UH, SURE, SURE. CAN I JUMP IN FOR THE RECOMMENDATIONS? SO, SO R RATHER THAN SAY THAT THE, UH, ANY NEW RESOLUTION, UH, ANY NEW LOAD DOESN'T ADDRESS THESE ISSUES, WHY NOT SAY THAT IT RUNS CONTRARY TO THE, UH, FINDINGS, UH, OF, OF YOUR, YOUR PREVIOUS, UH, UH, THAT'S A GOOD THAT I WAS STICKING IN THERE BEFORE NOT ADDRESSING IS CONTRARY. YES. AFTER THE, IF CLAUSE IS CONTRARY TO THE, UM, UNDISPUTED FINDINGS OF THE C A C, UM, STUDY OF, UH, SCIENTIFIC AND MEDICAL INFORMATION AND DOES NOT ADDRESS OR SOME, THAT'S A GOOD COMMENT, GEORGE. THANK YOU, GEORGE. GOOD COMMENT. SOMETHING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YES. LIZ JUST WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION. 'CAUSE I NOTICED, UM, I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU HAVE LIKE A LONG-TERM PLAN IN TERMS OF THESE, UH, LEAF BLOWERS. LIKE I NOTICED IRVINGTON STARTED WITH A LAW THAT'S SIMILAR TO THIS, AND THEN A FEW YEARS LATER THEY WERE ABLE, THEY JUST PASSED A COMPLETE BAN OF ALL LEAF BLOWERS. I JUST READ THAT TODAY. HAVE YOU YET? CAN YOU SEND THAT AROUND PLEASE? I'LL SEND THAT AROUND. AND I WAS JUST, I'M JUST GONNA THROW OUT SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT REGARDING, I'M ALSO WITH SHARON WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL LEAF BLOWERS BANNED AND ESPECIALLY BANNED IN THE SPRING SINCE, AS YOU NOW ALL KNOW, I'M ANTI MOVING LEAVES IN THE, IN THE SPRING. UM, BUT I [00:45:01] JUST CAME ACROSS, UM, A PIECE THAT SAYS THAT IN CALIFORNIA THEY PLAN, THEY, THEY DID A STUDY. I DON'T HAVE THE STUDY, I JUST HAVE THE RESULTS. THAT THE ANNUAL EMISSIONS FROM ONE GAS LEAF BLOWER IS ESTIMATED TO BE THE SAME AS 80 AUTOMOBILES BEING DRIVEN 12,500 MILES. AND THAT, ACCORDING TO THE CALIFORNIA AIR RESOURCES BOARD, BY 2020 LEAF BLOWERS AND OTHER SIMILAR SMALL GAS ENGINES WILL COLLECTIVELY EMIT MORE OZONE POLLUTION IN CALIFORNIA THAN ALL THE STATE'S PASSENGER CARS. OKAY. NOW HERE'S WHERE I'M GONNA, WHO DID IT AND WHEN, BECAUSE THAT HAS BEEN FLOATING AROUND A LOT OF YEARS, AND I ACTUALLY HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MIKE ABOUT THIS TODAY BECAUSE SCARSDALE REFERENCE IS THIS CLAIM. AND, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY WERE NOT ADMISSIONS FROM GAS BLO GASOLINE BLOWERS MM-HMM. , BUT I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT IN 2007 MM-HMM. , THE G P A PASSED RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THERE'S BEEN A HUGE IMPROVEMENT SINCE 2007 IN THE EFFICIENCIES OF GASOLINE BLOWERS. SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW THE SOURCE OF THAT QUOTE, IF YOU CAN FIND IT AND WHEN IT WAS MADE. YEAH. THE, I MEAN, THAT'S A, THAT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT THING. UH, LIZ, IF YOU CAN FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, IS IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFERENT THAN IF IT'S 15 YEARS AGO. OKAY. BECAUSE THEY HAVE IMPROVEMENT. BUT NOW THE IRVINGTON THING, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. I DIDN'T SEE IT. WOULD YOU PLEASE SEND IT? BECAUSE I'LL FIND IT. I JUST READ IT YESTERDAY. I THINK I SAW IT. YEAH. WE'VE GOT, I THINK THEY BAN GASOLINE. THEY DIDN'T BAN ALL BLOWERS. THEY BANNED, I THINK THEY BANNED GASOLINE BLOWERS. THEY DIDN'T BANNED ALL GASOLINE BLOWERS. I WAS GONNA ASK IF ANYONE KNEW, BECAUSE TWO DAYS AGO MY WHOLE DEVELOPMENT WAS GETTING BLOWN AROUND LIKE A HURRICANE. SO LET'S, I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT, UM, AND I CAN REACH OUT TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IF NEED BE AS WELL, BECAUSE I THOUGHT I SAW IT. THEY WERE CONSIDERING IT, AND I DON'T KNOW AT ONE POINT, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST THE GASOLINE BLOWERS. BUT THEY WERE STILL GONNA ALLOW THE ELECTRIC. THEY WEREN'T CHANGING THE LAW. DEFINITELY. LIZ, IF YOU CAN'T FIND IT, IF YOU'D PLEASE YOU HAVE AARON'S EMAIL. IF NOT, GET IN TOUCH WITH TERRY. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL FIND IT AGAIN, BUT I WILL TRY. OKAY. THANK YOU. READING THROUGH SO MANY DIFFERENT, UM, WEBSITES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY. SO I THINK FOR THE PEOPLE TER, TERRY AND, AND GEORGE AND NANCY, UM, DON'T HESITATE. IF YOU SEE INTERESTING ARTICLES THAT ARE RELEVANT TO THE WORK OF THE C A C MM-HMM. , PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO SEND THEM AROUND TO THE GROUP. UH, UH, IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. IT MAY BE SOMETHING WE DO TWO YEARS AROUND, BUT, OR MAYBE SOMETHING WE ARE DOING OR GOING TO DO. BUT DON'T HESITATE TO SEND THOSE AROUND, UH, WHEN YOU SEE 'EM, BECAUSE THEN THINGS DO TEND TO GET LOST AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE EMAILS WE GET. SO, SO I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS VOTE ON THIS, MAKE A MOTION AND VOTE. I, I THINK DONNA AND SHARON NEED TO MAKE THE MOTION AND SECOND IT, 'CAUSE YOU AND I ARE, OR, UH, COMPLICIT IN THIS, I GUESS IN SOME WAY. GUILTY. WE COST TOO MUCH. I MAKE A MOTION. EVEN I, I'M LIP READING SHARON, WHO NOW IS STILL MUTED. I THINK SHE SAID SECOND. SECOND. PLEASE NOTE THAT I GO, GO AHEAD, SHARON. I, I SECOND IT AND I SHOULD EXPLAIN, I KEEP MUTING BECAUSE I KEEP GETTING FACETIME CALLS FROM MY FRIEND WITH ALZHEIMER'S. OKAY. I'M PROTECTING YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. AYE. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON ANY FURTHER, I WANNA INTRODUCE STEPHANIE. STEPHANIE, HAVE YOU BEEN HERE WITH OUR POTENTIAL MEMBERS? UH, I DON'T THINK SO. I DON'T, BUT STEPHANIE HAS BEEN WORKING WITH US AS A, A JUNIOR MEMBER KIND OF. AND SHE'S BEEN REALLY VERY HELPFUL AND INSIGHTFUL. AND I WANT YOU TO MEET TONIGHT, UH, LIZ SILVERSTEIN, NANCY DRAIN, AND GEORGE GRULAC, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE SOON, HOPEFULLY AFTER THEIR INTERVIEW AND EVERYTHING, MEMBERS OF THE C A C. SO, UM, KIND OF DISCONNECT THERE. UM, STEPHANIE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH FOR US ON INVASIVE PLANTS, AND WE HAVE TO GET SOMETHING OUT AT SOME POINT. UM, IT, IT, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS MAYBE WE LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE, AND, UM, THIS IS SORT OF LIKE WITH THIS, UH, CONED GRID AND, [00:50:01] UH, THE INVASIVE PLANTS, MAYBE AT SOME POINT, MAYBE WHAT WE, THE APPROACH WE COULD TAKE ON THIS, AND EVEN IN TERMS OF YOUR CARBON FOOTPRINT, IS THAT IF WE COULD PREPARE A REALLY ATTRACTIVE, LIKE ONE PAGE KIND OF THING THAT WE COULD HAVE PAUL SEND SEND OUT THAT JUST FOCUSES ON ONE THING, LIKE PULL IT OUT AND HAVE THE PLANT WE WANT, PULLED OUT THE VINES, RIGHT. AND THEN TELL THEM THEY CAN GO FIND OUT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER INVASIVES, BUT JUST GET THAT ONE THING. OR WITH THE CARBON FOOTPRINT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO THIS, YOU KNOW, YOU SAVE THIS. SO IT'S ONE ITEM BECAUSE I THINK, UM, WHEN YOU DO A ONE ITEM, AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN, IF WE CAN GET A WHOLE BUNCH OF THEM TOGETHER, SO WE HAD LIKE SIX MONTHS WORTH GO WITH ATTRACTIVE GRAPHICS, THEN WE COULD ASK PAUL TO DO ONE A MONTH. MM-HMM. . AND THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS ALMOST SUBLIMINAL WITH PEOPLE BECAUSE IF YOU BOMBARD THEM WITH TOO MUCH INFORMATION, IT JUST SORT OF, THEY SAY, OH MY GOD, IT'S SO AWFUL. BUT THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING. BUT I THINK IF YOU GO TO SOMEONE AND SAY JUST ONE THING, IT SORT OF REGISTERS AND THEY SAY, WELL, I COULD DO THAT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT THAT MUCH TO ASK . AND THEN YOU JUST ASK ANOTHER ONE IN ANOTHER ONE EACH MONTH AND AFTER ABOUT TIME. AND I THINK ALSO BY KEEPING IT SIMPLE, YOU REACH AN AUDIENCE THAT IF THEY'RE NOT TERRIBLY INTERESTED IN DOING THINGS FOR THE ENVIRONMENT, IF IT'S A ONE SIMPLE THING, IT IT RESONATES WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY CAN SEE THE IMMEDIATE, IF YOU DO THIS, THIS RESULTS, IF YOU PULL THIS WEEDED OUT THIS, AND YOU HAVE A PICTURE, WE WON'T HAVE VINES IN THE TREES. YEAH. LIKE, EVEN LIKE JUST ONE IMAGE. THEY'LL LIKE NOTICE IT, I GUESS OUTSIDE OR SOMETHING. AND THEN THOSE REALIZE, OH, THAT'S AN INVASIVE SPECIES AND JUST TO LOOK OUT. YEAH. AND SO I DO THINK WE CAN KIND OF WORK ON THAT. SO MIKE, I TALKED ABOUT THE BLOWER LAW. YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT BATTERY STORAGE? YEAH, I, IF I COULD PLEASE TERRY. I'D LIKE TO SAY ONE MORE THING ABOUT THE BLOWER. UM, NANCY AND US, UH, NANCY AND HER HUSBAND, AND MICHELLE AND I, WE SHARE A LANDSCAPE, UM, WHO DOES NOT USE A BLOWER. AND HE HAS TOLD US THAT HE DOESN'T LIKE A NEWS BLOWER FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. FIRST OF ALL, HE CAN DO IT AS WELL WITHOUT A BLOWER. AND HE ONLY USED BLOWERS IF THE RESIDENT INSISTS THAT THE HOMEOWNER INSIST ON IT. SECONDLY, IT DESTROYS EVERYTHING. AND HE'S ACTUALLY A LANDSCAPER THAT ACTUALLY LIKES, YOU KNOW, NOT DOING IT JUST FOR A JOB, BUT ACTUALLY LIKES, YOU KNOW, VEGETATION. AND THIRDLY, WHEN HE GOES HOME, HE HAS TO TAKE A SHOWER BEFORE HE CAN BE WITH HIS KIDS BECAUSE OF ALL THE CRAP IT GETS ON HIM. SO, AND HE, AND IT DOESN'T COST ANYMORE, HE SAYS, BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE TO GET INVOLVED IN THE EQUIPMENT. UM, UM, UM, THE COST OF PURCHASING THE EQUIPMENT, THE COST OF, UH, UH, MAINTAINING THE EQUIPMENT, UH, IT DOESN'T, UH, COST ANYMORE, UM, THAN NOT TO USE A BLUE. AND, UM, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU IF YOU USE A LANDSCAPE OR IF YOU HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT USE THE LANDSCAPE, BUT TO ASK THEM, YOU KNOW, DOES IT REALLY, WOULD IT REALLY COST A BIG DEAL? YOU KNOW, A LOT MORE, UM, TO USE, UM, AN ELECTRIC BLOWER IN NOT, BUT, BUT NOT IN THE SPRING AND FALL CLEANUP PERIODS WHERE THEY CAN USE IT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WINTER, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE SUMMER. SO IN THE WINTER AND IN THE SUMMER, WHAT IT REALLY COSTS MORE, YOU, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR LAWS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE POLLUTION PERIODS. YOU CAN POLLUTE THE HELL OUTTA GREENBERG AND YOU CAN POLLUTE THE HELL OUT OF PEOPLE'S HEALTH IN THE SPRING AND FALL CLEANUP PERIODS. BUT OUTSIDE OF THE POLLUTION PERIODS, UM, WHAT IT REALLY COSTS MORE SO. BUT YOU DO NOT USE A BLOWER TO NOT USE A BLOWER, NOT TO, NOT TO NOT USE, UH, UH, TO NOT USE AN ELECTRIC BLOWER AND HAVE TO USE AND HA AND HAVE TO USE, UH, UM, AND NOT USE ANY BLOWER. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. NOT TO USE ANY BLOWER, BUT TO USE AN OLD FASHIONED RAKE IN A BOOM. SO IF WE COULD GET ANY, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL ALL, THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE, THERE'S SEVERAL, NOT TOO MANY THIS TIME, THERE'S ALWAYS A COUPLE LANDSCAPERS AND SAY, OH GOD, IT'S GONNA COST MORE. BUT, YOU KNOW, LISTEN, UM, WE HAVE TWO PROPERTIES AND THEY SAY [00:55:01] YOU NEED IT FOR SMALL POPS, YOU NEED FOR BIG, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR PROPERTIES IS 0.6 ACRES, ONE OF IT'S TWO AND A HALF ACRES. UM, YOU KNOW, IT, UH, UM, WE HAVE EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE. UM, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT DOESN'T COST MORE. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE PERSON, ONE PERSON'S, YOU KNOW, QUOTE, EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE IS NOT AS GOOD. IF WE HAD THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, SAY THEY'VE TALKED TO DIFFERENT LANDSCAPERS AND THEY COME OUT, YOU KNOW, THE SAME. OKAY. THAT, THAT WAS ALL. SORRY, I FORGOT. I WANTED TO MENTION THAT EARLIER. I FORGOT. OKAY. SO NOW LET'S, LET'S, YOU CAN, YOU CAN NOW TALK ABOUT THE BEST SYSTEMS, THE ELECTRIC BATTERY STORAGE. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, UM, THE, UM, THESE ARE THE THINGS WHERE YOU STORE. THESE ARE THE THINGS WHERE YOU STORE, YOU TAKE ENERGY, YOU, YOU STORE ENERGY IN BATTERIES AND YOU PUT IT BACK INTO THE, UM, THE GRID. NOW WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH NYSERDA, WHICH IS THE NEW YORK STATE AGENCY THAT IMPLEMENTS THE GOVERNOR'S ENERGY POLICY. THE DIRECTORS ARE APPOINTED BY THE GOVERNOR. UM, AND THEY, UH, UM, THEY HAVE $350 MILLION OF YOUR MONEY TO SUPPORT, UM, UM, UM, UM, THE CONCEPT OF STORING, UH, ENERGY, UM, IN BATTERIES AND PUTTING IT BACK INTO THE GRID. WE'VE TALKED TO CONED. CONED TELLS US WHEN THESE THINGS COME IN, THE APPLICANTS ARE SAYING, OH, YOU HAVE THIS GREAT LOCAL BENEFIT. UM, CONED SAYS THAT AIN'T TRUE. UM, ONCE THE ENERGY GOES BACK INTO THE GRID AND THE CONCEPT OF CONED GRID IS A MISNOMER, THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A CONED GRID. ONCE THE ENERGY GOES BACK INTO THE GRID, IT IS 100% GOVERNED UNDER THE TOTAL DOMINATION AND CONTROL OF SOMETHING CALLED THE NEW YORK STATE INDEPENDENT SYSTEM OPERATOR. I S O, IT IS THE I S O THAT DETERMINES WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ELECTRONS WHEN YOU GO BACK TO THE GRID. CONED, EVEN IF THEY WANTED TO, COULD NOT DIRECT ENERGY THAT CAME FROM A BATTERY STORED IN GREENBURG BACK TO GREENBURG. ONCE IT GOES IN THE GRID, IT COULD END UP IN YONKERS, IT CAN END UP IN NEW YORK CITY. IT COULD END UP IN, UM, UH, PLEASANTVILLE. THERE IS NO CONTROL CONED HAS OF IT. THERE IS, IT IS AN ABSOLUTE FROM WHAT CONED SAID, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE FROM WHAT CONED REPRESENTATIVE TOLD US. AND HE'S THE HEAD OF THE SOMETHING I THINK IT WAS CALLED, LIKE THE ENERGY GRID OF THE FUTURE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AT CON ED TOLD US THERE IS NO DIRECT LOCAL BENEFIT. NOW, ANOTHER THING THAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE'VE DONE SOME INDEPENDENT RESEARCH AND WE FOUND OUT THAT THE POPULATION OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK'S, ABOUT 20 MILLION PEOPLE, AND THE POPULATION OF GREENBERG'S, ABOUT 45,000 PEOPLE, AND GREENBERG'S UNINCORPORATED GREENBERG'S SHARE OF NEW YORK STATE'S TOTAL POPULATION IS 0.225%. NOW IN 19, SORRY, IN 2019, NEW YORK STATE PASSED SOMETHING WHICH IS CLOSELY CALLED THE CLIMATE ACT. THERE'S A LONGER NAME. AND PART OF THE CLIMATE ACT IS THAT THERE'S A GOAL FOR 20, 39 YEARS FROM NOW, THAT NEW YORK STATE HAS 3000 MEGAWATTS, 3000 MW OF ABLE OF CAPACITY TO STORE ENERGY INTO BATTERIES AND PUT IT BACK INTO THE NEW YORK STATE GRID. NOW, IF YOU TAKE 3000, WHICH IS A NEW YORK STATE GOAL, NINE YEARS FROM NOW, AND YOU MULTIPLY IT BY 0.225%, YOU COME OUT WITH 6.75 MEGAWATTS. THAT IS OUR PROPORTIONATE SHARE OF THE NEW YORK STATE GOLD. SO ONE QUESTION COMES UP IS, UNLESS THIS STUFF IS REALLY SAFE AND MATURE, THE TECHNOLOGY'S MATURE. WHY ARE WE TAKING MORE THAN OUR PROPORTIONATE SHARE IN THIS COMMUNITY? WHICH IS A [01:00:01] RELATIVELY, UH, UH, YES, IT'S A SOUTHERN, IT'S A SUBURBAN, BUT IT IS A SOUTHERN WEST, SOUTHERN WESTCHESTER COUNTY SUBURBAN, WHICH IS RELATIVELY DENSELY POPULATED. THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF MORE RURAL COMMUNITIES IN UPSTATE NEW YORK. THERE ARE, I FREQUENTLY SAY, THERE'S COMMUNITIES UP THERE WHERE THERE ARE MORE COWS THAN THERE ARE PEOPLE. UH, WE ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, RATHER COMPACT HERE. UM, SO THEN THE TOWN HAS HIRED THIS, UH, SAFETY CONSULTANT, WHICH IS GOING TO ADVISE US. I'D LIKE TO READ SOME OF THE THINGS THE SAFETY CONSULTANT HAS TOLD US. UM, IT, WE ASKED, WE ASKED THEM 41 QUESTIONS. UH, WE ASKED THEM REGARDING WHAT WAS THE, UH, SAFETY SETBACKS, WHICH IS A REASONABLE QUESTION TO ASK IN OUR COMMUNITY. THEY RESPONDED, AND THIS IS A GREAT HELP IN GENERAL. THE GREATER THE SETBACK, THE MORE SAFETY PROVIDED . THEN THEY GOT MORE SPECIFIC REGARDING MINIMUM SETBACK DISTANCES. THEY SAID, THEY QUOTE, DEFER TO THE TOWN FOR INCORPORATION OF SETBACK DISTANCES. WE THEN ASKED THE QUESTION OF WHAT WAS THE OPTIMUM SITING LOCATIONS FOR DIFFERENT SIZES? BESS UH, BESS IS BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. THEY SAID AN OPTIMUM LO QUOTE, AN OPTIMAL LOCATION IS INHERENTLY A JUDGMENT OF WHICH PRIORITIES, CONCERNS, OUTCOMES, ET CETERA, ARE CONSIDERED MOST IMPORTANT. WE WOULD DEFER TO THE TOWN TO DETERMINE WHICH FACTORS ARE MOST IMPORTANT FOR THE BEST TO BE CITED. WE THEN ASK THEM ABOUT FIRE PROTECTION. 'CAUSE UH, THAT'S THE PRIMARY, IT'S PRIMARY SAFETY ISSUE FIRE. THEY DID, THEY DID NOT, HOWEVER, GIVE US ANY INFORMATION AS TO THE NUMBER OF TRAINED RESPONDERS, THE PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT NEEDED OR ACCESS TO HOW MUCH QUANTUM OF WATER WOULD BE NEEDED. WE THEN ASK THEM, UH, COULD THEY TELL US, GIVE US KIND OF A METRICS. WE HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS IN DIFFERENT PLACES. UH, AND THEY SAID THEY WERE NOT AWARE OF A MATRIX RELATED TO CAPACITY AND SEPARATION DISTANCE. THAT IS CAPACITY IS THE SIZE OF THE, THE BEST FACILITY. AND SEPARATION DISTANCE IS HOW FAR IT IS FROM ANYTHING. THEY WERE NOT AWARE OF A MATRIX RELATED TO SIZE AND SEPARATION DISTRICTS THAT COULD BE UNIVERSALLY APPLIED. UM, WE, SO THAT WAS THE INFORMATION WE HAD FROM THE CONSULTANT. THERE WAS A MEETING TODAY AND ON THIS CONSULTANT THERE ON THIS, THE SEVEN MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, UM, TWO OF WHICH ARE MEMBERS OF THE NORWOOD COUNTRY CLUB, FIVE OF WHICH ARE NOT THE FIVE THAT ARE NOT MEMBERS OF NORWOOD COUNTRY CLUB ARE ALL RESIDENTS WHO HAVE EITHER GIVEN CONSULTING SERVICES DURING THEIR PROFESSIONAL CAREER. THAT'S THREE OF THEM, OR TWO OF 'EM ARE MEMBERS OF LARGE MULTINATIONAL, UM, UH, UM, UH, BUSINESS ENTERPRISES WHICH RECEIVED CONSULTING SERVICES. ALL FIVE SAID THIS WAS JUNK. THIS WAS ABSOLUTELY, TOTALLY UNHELPFUL. AND ONE OF THE MEMBERS WHO SAYS, I AM IN A CONSULTING BUSINESS, THAT'S MY PROFESSION. I WOULD BE ASHAMED TO HAVE GIVEN THIS. I WOULD HAVE NEVER GIVEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW. WHAT WE ARE THINKING ABOUT IN GENERAL TERMS IS HAVING DIFFERENT TIERS. T A E R S ONE TIER WOULD BE HAVING IT ON IN, IN, ON A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IN AN OUR ZONE. IT WAS A RES SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONES, HAVING IT IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE. AND IT'S PRIMARILY FOR THE USE OF THAT RESIDENTIAL ZONE. TERRY'S ASKED THE QUESTION OF HOW EXACTLY DOES THIS WORK? UH, GARRETT CALLS THIS QUOTE BEHIND THE METER. THE CONCEPT WE THINK IS, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOT A CLEAR ANSWER, IS IT, YOU KNOW, IT GOES OUT OF THE BATTERY TO YOUR HOUSE AND IT DOESN'T GO BACK INTO THE GRID. BUT IF YOU GOT TOO MUCH ENERGY STORED, THEN OF COURSE IT COULD GO BACK INTO THE GRID. AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ENERGY STORED, THEN THE GRID FLOWS TO YOU. THAT'S WHAT WE THINK IT IS. WE'VE ASKED FOR SPECIFICITY, BUT I THINK IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND. WE THINK [01:05:01] RIGHT NOW ON THE HOUSES, IT'S GOING OUT. IS IS THE PROBLEM I THINK. BUT THEY'RE GETTING A CREDIT IS WHAT I THINK MIKE, WELL, THAT, THAT MAY BE, I JUST DON'T THINK WE'RE CLEAR ON WHAT IT IS. WELL, THE PRO THE PROBLEM NOT TO INTERJECT HERE, THE BIGGEST PRO, ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS WE HAVE IS WE HAVE SO MANY THINGS WE DO NOT KNOW AND WE'RE NOT GETTING ANSWERS ON. AND THESE EVEN TECHNICAL THINGS AS TO HOW STUFF WORKS TO MAKE A DECISION ON THINGS. UH, YEAH. SO THE, AND THEN THE SECOND AND THIRD TIERS, OR BASICALLY LIKE, UM, A TWO ACRE, TWO ACRE PLUS LOTS THAT ARE COMMERCIAL OR SHOPPING CENTERS, UH, MULTIFAMILY. AND WE'RE HAVING SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ARE THERE SOME SUB, YOU KNOW, SHOULD SOMETHING LIKE SHOPPING CENTERS BE SEPARATE FROM LIKE A COMMERCIAL, UH, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT SUCH A MASS OF PEOPLE IN THE SHOPPING CENTER AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A VERY LOW PROBABILITY THERE'S A PROBLEM, OF COURSE. BUT IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, YOU GOT LOTS OF PEOPLE YOU CAN GO, YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE SHOPPING CENTERS ON CENTRAL AVENUE OR TERRYTOWN ROAD ON A ONE OR 2:00 PM ON A SATURDAY AFTERNOON THAT JAM PACKED WITH FAMILIES AND, AND, AND KIDS AND TODDLERS AND, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, MA, MAY YOU KNOW, THERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT MAKES SENSE THERE? I MEAN, THERE IS ONE, THERE IS ONE ON TERRYTOWN ROAD, UH, AT THE PORT CALLED WHITE PLAINS ROAD. IT'S CLOSER TO, TO THE BORDER OF TERRYTOWN. IT'S AT SIX 60 TERRYTOWN ROAD. IT'S THE SHOPPING CENTER AS YOU'RE GOING TOWARDS, UH, THE RIVER. IT'S THE SHOPPING CENTER PAST THE MARRIOTT. AND THERE'S ONE SITTING THERE RIGHT IN THE, UM, PARKING LOT. AND THAT'S AN OFFICE BUILDING. AND THAT PROBABLY DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF CONCENTRATION OF PEOPLE AROUND. IT'S GOT A LOT OF CARS AROUND IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE TRYING TO PUZZLE THROUGH THAT. AND THEN THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF A TIER FOUR, WHICH IS A LARGER FACILITY, AND MAYBE THEY WOULD BE, THERE'S TWO CONED SUBSTATIONS IN GREENBURG THAT IS, UH, THAT ARE HOOKED UP TO THE BIG TRANSMISSION OVERHEAD LINES. AND WE'RE THINKING ABOUT MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ONE LARGE BEST, LARGER, BEST FACILITY WITH SOME KIND OF CAP ON IT. MAYBE 20 MEGAWATT CAP, AS LONG AS IT'S WITHIN A HALF A MILE OF THE, UH, UH, OF A, OF A, YOU KNOW, ONE PER SUBSTATION. AND AS LONG AS THE, UH, THE GROUNDS WERE PUT UNDER LAND, UH, UN UH, UNDERGROUND, THE, THE, UH, THE, THE TRANSMISSION LINES TO AND FROM THE SUBSTATION, UH, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE GENERAL PARAMETERS. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME VERY BASIC QUESTIONS HERE THAT, UH, POLICY ISSUES, AND I'M, I'M PERSONALLY NOT SURE THE COMMITTEE IS THE RIGHT PERSON TO ANSWER THIS. AND ONE IS, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE DEVELOP SAFETY SETBACKS BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE'VE BEEN GIVEN? I MEAN, WE CAN COME UP WITH A NUMBER, BUT WHAT'S THE SCIENCE BEHIND THAT NUMBER? I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF TROUBLESOME. UM, AND A SECOND IS HOW MUCH REALLY SHOULD WE BE ALLOWING IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG? IF OUR FAIR SHARE IS 4, 7, 5, AND YOU PUT, YOU PUT TWO 20 MEGAWATTS, ONE AT EACH SUBSTATION, THAT'S 40. I MEAN, THAT'S ALREADY CLOSE TO SEVEN TIMES 700% OF OUR PROPORTIONAL SHARE. AND THAT'S NOT COUNTING ALL THIS STUFF. STILL EVENTUALLY GOING SHOPPING CENTERS ON, ON TERRYTOWN ROAD AND CENTRAL AVENUE, UM, AND OTHER PLACES UP ON OFF THE SAWMILL, UH, ROAD. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW. THERE'S, THERE'S KIND OF A, A LOT OF MESS QUANDARY. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, WE RECOGNIZED IS THAT, UM, WHEN WE PUT THESE IN, THEY REALLY HAVE, UM, NO FINANCIAL VALUE TO THE TOWN IN THE SENSE THAT THEY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GENERATE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE A BOX, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GETTING A BUILDING OR SOMETHING. AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA REQUIRE FROM OUR FIRE DISTRICTS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS HAVE ADDITIONAL, UM, PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT, EXTRA DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UM, MATERIALS TO PUT THE FIRES OUT IF THERE'S A FIRE. SO THEY COME WITH A COST TO THE FIRE DISTRICTS AND IN TRAINING AND COORDINATION BETWEEN THE FIRE DISTRICT. SO WHEN MIKE'S TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH IS OUR FAIR SHARE, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS OF SAYING, WELL, IT, IT ISN'T AS THOUGH IT DOESN'T COME WITH A COST TO THE COMMUNITY, [01:10:01] AND OBVIOUSLY WE WANNA DO OUR FAIR SHARE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. SO IT'S TRYING TO FIND THAT RIGHT POINT OF DOING WHAT'S ENVIRONMENTALLY CORRECT AND OUR FAIR SHARE WITH NOT OUR PARTICULAR COMMUNITY BECOMING OVERBURDENED IN SUPPORTING THIS TECHNOLOGY. WELL, WHO'S, WHO'S THE DRIVING, DRIVING FORCE BEHIND THE REQUEST TO HAVE THESE BATTERY INSTALLATIONS INSTALLED IN GREENBURG? IS THIS SOMETHING WE'VE ? IT'S, IT'S TWO THINGS. GEORGE. ONE IS THE STATE HAS A PLAN TO BASICALLY, UM, MOVE THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S A PROJECTION GOING ON THAT WE WILL HAVE A GREAT INCREASE IN THE NEED FOR ELECTRICITY BECAUSE OF ELECTRIC CARS AND OTHER THINGS GOING FORWARD. AND THEY WANT TO BASICALLY ELIMINATE THE POWER PLANTS THAT BURN FOSSIL FUEL. AND SO THE IDEA IS TO COME UP WITH METHODOLOGIES WHERE THE ELECTRIC WOULD BE USED ON SITE, BUT YET THE EXAMPLES WE'VE SEEN SO FAR, LIKE THERE'S AN AUSLEY SCHOOL PROJECT GOING FORWARD, BUT THEY, THEY DON'T SEEM TO BE ACTUALLY USING THE POWER ON SITE. THEY'RE PUTTING IT BACK IN THAT CASE ONTO THE DISTRIBUTION LINE RATHER THAN USING IT ON SITE. SO THERE'S A BREAKDOWN THERE, AND THIS IS A BIG QUESTION, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE ALSO SAID THAT THE TRANSMISSION LINES CAN'T REALLY CARRY A MUCH GREATER LOBE. SO WHILE THEY'RE PUTTING THESE DEVICES IN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A QUESTION AS TO WHETHER THE TRANSMISSION LINES, HOW MUCH THEY CAN ACCEPT. AND WE'RE FACED WITH THIS, THE STATE HAS A GOAL NOW WHO'S COMING IN TO SAY, I WANNA PUT A BATTERY IN. THEY'RE PRIVATE FOR PROFIT OPERATORS IF THEY'RE PUTTING THE ELECTRIC BACK ONTO THE DISTRIBUTION LINES OR BACK INTO A SUBSTATION AS A BUSINESS MATTER. WHAT THIS IS, IT IS, IT'S ALL, IT IS JUST BASIC ARBITRAGE. YOU'RE BUYING THE STUFF AT 2:00 AM IN THE MORNING WHEN THERE'S NO DEMAND AND THE PRICE IS LOW AND YOU'RE SELLING IT BACK TO THE GRID AT 2:00 PM ON AN AUGUST AFTERNOON WHEN THERE'S HUGE DEMAND AND THE PRICE IS HIGH. ONE OF THESE THINGS DOWN IN AUSTRALIA MADE $800,000 IN TWO DAYS IN THE HEAT WAVE TWO JANUARYS AGO. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, JANUARY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE HOT TIME. UH, IT'S BA IT'S JUST BASIC ARBITRAGE. THAT'S THE BUSINESS MOTIVATION FOR PRIVATE, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE FIRMS, YOU KNOW, DOING THIS. NOW THE MOTIVATION WITHIN GREENBURG IS COMING FROM, WE HAVE WHAT'S TERMED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECREATIONAL FACILITIES WITH OPEN SPACES. MOST THOUGH NOT ALL ARE GOLF COURSES. NOW IN NORWOOD, UM, MOST OF THESE GOLF COURSES ARE, YOU KNOW, IN FINANCIAL, YOU KNOW, BORDERLINE OR FINANCIAL TROUBLE. NO, I'M NOT SURE THEY ALL ARE, BUT MOST OF THEM ARE. WE ALREADY KNOW THAT, UH, MAPLEWOOD SWIM CLUB CLOSED. WE KNOW THAT ELMWOOD CLOSED AND WE KNOW THAT, UM, UH, METROPOLIS HAD TO SELL OFF SOME LAND TO, UH, UH, TO SUPPORT, UH, ITS GOLF COURSE. AND WE KNOW NORWOOD IS TRYING TO GET THIS LEASE OF, UM, ON HIS PROPERTY TO PUT A BATTERY INTEREST CHOICE FACILITY. NOW WHAT WE'RE TOLD ABOUT NORWOOD IS THEY HAVE 235 MEMBERS, AND IF THEY GET THIS LEASE TO PLACE A BATTERY ENGINE STORAGE FACILITY OF 20 MEGAWATTS ON THE NO WOOD COUNTRY CLUB, IT WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT OF 10 EXTRA MEMBERS. SO IN EFFECT, WE ARE TAKING ON THE RISK OF BATTERY AND STORAGE FACILITIES WITH NO BENEFIT AND POSSIBLY FISCAL COST TO THE COMMUNITY OF FIRE TRAINING AND FIRE EQUIPMENT WHEN WHAT IT HAS THE EFFECT OF, OF 10 NEW MEMBERS FOR A MEMBERSHIP OF 2 35. IF EACH OF THE 235 MEMBERS, YOU CAN CHECK MY MATH, GEORGE PAID 10% MORE, THAT WOULD BE THE EQUIVALENT OF 235 MEMBERS NOT PAYING MORE, BUT HAVING THE RENTAL FROM THE BEST FACILITY, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE EQUIVALENT TO 10 MEMBERS. SO WHAT WE'RE SO BOTTOM, MY QUESTION IS, IS WE'RE DEALING WITH THE SOLVENCY OF SEVERAL PRIVATELY OWNED COMPANIES AND UH, AND PROPERTIES IN IN IN THE GREENBURG [01:15:01] AREA? NO, YOU'RE ASKING, WE'RE DEALING WITH THE SOLVENCY OF GOLF COURSES. YES. THAT'S GOLF. I THINK MY, SO WHAT IS OUR, WHAT IS OUR MOTIVATION? I MEAN, HOW DOES THIS BENEFIT THE, THE COMMUNITY AND WHY, WHY ARE WE, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TO DISCUSS IT, BUT WHAT'S IN IT FOR THE TOWN? WELL, THAT'S, WELL, ONE THING THERE IS, THERE IS A BENEFIT AND THAT IS THAT THESE OPEN SPACES WILL STILL BE THERE AND THEY WON'T ALL BE DEVELOPED WELL, EXCEPT SHARON. THE THING ABOUT THE OPEN BEFORE YOU, BEFORE YOU RESPOND HERE, GEORGE IS A HELL OF A GOOD QUESTION. AND THE ONE BENEFIT THAT'S ANYONE'S EVER, NO, THERE'VE BEEN TWO BENEFITS HAVE TOLD US. ONE IS THERE'S A LOCAL BENEFIT 'CAUSE YOU'LL HAVE MORE ELECTRICITY. THAT DOES NOT, ACCORDING TO CON ED, THAT IS NOT TRUE. THE PRESIDENT OF CON ED COULD STAND ON A TABLE ON HIS HEAD, WIGGLES BOTH OF HIS EARS AT THE SAME TIME. AND THE I S O WOULD NOT GIVE US ONE ADDITIONAL ELECTRON. THEY DON'T CARE WHAT HE SAYS. THEY DO THIS ON A STATEWIDE BASIS. SO THAT ONE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE TRUE. THE OTHER ONE IS SHARON'S NOT SHARING NECESSARILY SHARON'S, BUT THE ONE THAT SHARON IS SAYING, IS IT BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY, HAVE THE GOLF COURSES STAY SOLVENT AND HAVE THE OPEN SPACE? AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO TERRY. BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT HAVE BEEN SAID. OKAY. AND, AND WHAT I WOULD GO TO IS, MIKE, I THINK WHEN WE DID THE MATH, IT WAS ACTUALLY A 5% INCREASE IN, IN THE MEMBERSHIP MEMBERS. UH, I DID IT AGAIN. I CAME UP WITH 10. OKAY. SO IT CERTAINLY ISN'T IN THERE. MY CONCEPT ON OPEN SPACES, WHEN WE LOOK AT A GOLF COURSE, IT'S GRASS. AND IF WE THINK OF IT BEING DEVELOPED, THE GOLF COURSES ARE, ARE ZONED EITHER R 20 OR R 30. NO. WHAT HAPPENS TO BE ZONED TO R 30? IF IN FACT IT GOT DEVELOPED, THE RUNOFF COULD NOT INCREASE ENVIRONMENTALLY BECAUSE OF NEW YORK STATE LAW. IF WE THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE CARBON DIOXIDE, SEQUESTERED, THERE ARE ALMOST NO TREES ON THE GOLF COURSE. NORWOOD HAS SOME, NORWOOD CERTAINLY HAS MORE THAN ELMWOOD, BUT THERE AREN'T A LOT OF TREES ON A GOLF COURSE. SO IF WE THINK OF OUR TYPICAL R 30 HOME, THERE'S A LARGE HOME, WELL LANDSCAPED, BIG LOT PEOPLE ARE GONNA PUT A BUFFER BETWEEN THEIR PROPERTY AND THEIR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. IF YOU LOOK AT ANY PART OF OUR TOWN WHERE YOU HAVE R 20 AND R 30 LOTS, YOU CAN'T SEE THE HOUSES FOR THE TREES. IF YOU, IF YOU GO ONTO GOOGLE MAP AND DO DO THE SATELLITE VIEW, YOU HAVE TO REALLY GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO FIND THE HOUSE. I SUSPECT, AND I HAVE NO WAY OF PROVING THIS, THIS IS AN, I THINK THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY ENVIRONMENTALLY, ONCE THE TREES GREW IN, MIGHT BE BETTER OFF WITH THOSE R 30 HOMES WITH THE TREES THAN WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITH THE, UM, OPEN SPACE WITH THE GRASS. SO IT'S, IT'S A THING OF SOMETHING'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THOSE GOLF COURSES AT SOME POINT. WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL AS TO WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM. ONE OF THE REASONS LOOKING AT WHEN WE DID THE MASTER PLAN WAS WE WANTED TO BE SURE THAT THEY STAYED WITH A, UM, LARGE LOT SIZE, WHICH THEY HAVE. SO IT MAY MAKES A DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE SAYING WE'RE GONNA PUT IN, UM, R FIVE LOTS, THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. BUT WITH R 30 LOTS, I, MY GUT FEELING IS ENVIRONMENTALLY YOU MIGHT LAND UP WITH MORE VEGETATION AND THE BENEFITS OF THE VEGETATION WITH HOUSES JUST FOR THE BENEFITS FROM OUR NEW NEWER MEMBERS. R 30 IS THREE QUARTERS FOR AC. I MEAN, AN ACRE IS 42,000 SQUARE FEET. UM, OUR FORTIES ABOUT AN ACRE, OUR THIRTIES, THREE QUARTERS OR TWENTIES AND HALF. THOSE ARE IN ROUND FIGURES. WELL, BUT THEN THERE'S THE QUESTION OF DENSITY OF, YOU KNOW, ALL THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT COME OF THE SCHOOLS, THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS, ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED IF THERE WAS MORE DEVELOPMENT AUTOMOBILES. YEAH, NO, THAT'S A, THOSE ARE FAIR QUESTIONS, SHARON. THOSE ARE FAIR, FAIR QUESTIONS. AND OF COURSE, THERE'S ALWAYS REZONING, ALWAYS. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WELL, THEY WERE SAYING R 30 AND SO THAT THEY'D BE LARGE LOTS, LARGER LOTS, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THEY WOULD GO FOR REZO WELL, IN, TO MY MIND, TRIPLE TO REZONE AND HAVE A DEVELOPMENT SOMETHING LIKE ELMWOOD. YEAH, EXACTLY. JUST LIKE ELMWOOD, THEY [01:20:01] WOULD TRY IN, IN ELMORE THEY'RE TRYING TO INCREASE THE, THE DENSITY BY 50%. THAT'S A FAIR COMMENT TOO. FAIR COMMENT. I I, I ALSO CHANGED CHANGES INMA TO ME. OH, I, I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT SHARON, YOU, SHE, YOU'RE MUTED. SHARON CHANGES AND PHA ENMA TO ME, I DON'T WANNA HAVE CHANGE. MM-HMM. AND THE, THE PROSPECT OF OPEN SPACES AS OPPOSED TO HOMES ON LOT. MY EX-MOTHER-IN-LAW OWNED A HOUSE OVER IN SCARSDALE AND IT WAS JUST SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF A LOT OF PROPERTY AND AS SOON AS SHE DIED, IT WAS SOLD AND THEY PUT FIVE HOUSES ON IT. AND YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF GREENERY BECAUSE THEY'RE SO CLOSE TOGETHER. THERE ARE MANY MANSIONS AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE TREES TO GIVE THEM ANY PRIVACY, ONE FOR THE OTHER. AND TO ME, THAT'S NOT AN IMPROVEMENT. FAIR. THOSE, THOSE ARE FAIR COMMENTS. I MEAN THAT'S, UH, THAT, THAT'S PART OF THE, THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION, SHARON. YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS ON, YOU KNOW, THE, WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THAT. BY THE WAY, WE DID GET AN ANSWER FROM PAUL, MIKE . UH, I'M ABOUT TO HAVE DINNER. I'LL READ IT AFTER DINNER. OKAY. . IT'LL UPSET MY STOMACH. I'M SURE I WILL READ IT. OF COURSE. UM, WELL, UM, GEORGE, YOUR QUESTIONS ARE SPOT ON. AND, UM, THERE ARE TWO THINGS, ONE OF WHICH IS, DOESN'T APPEAR ACCORDING TO THE CONED REPRESENTATIVE WHO'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE HEAD OF THEIR E ENERGY GRID OF THE FUTURE DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE TRUE. THERE'S NO LOCAL BENEFIT. UM, AND THE OTHER ISSUE IS SHARING ISSUE, WHICH I THINK, UM, IS, IS ABSOLUTELY WORTHY OF ANALYSIS AND DISCUSSION. I THINK DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS ON IT, AND I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE A VIEW YET, BUT THAT IS A FAIR COMMENT. AND, AND THEN TERRY'S COMMENTS ARE FAIR TOO. AND I KNOW, AND ON KIND OF TERRY'S SIDE OF THE COMMENT, I WOULD ADD, BY THE WAY, THOSE OPEN SPACES ARE MAINTAINED BY TOXINS. HOW DO YOU THINK IT LOOKS SO NICE? YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE OPEN SPACES THAT ARE FOR THE FEW, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S AN OPEN SPACE. WELL, YES, THE OPEN SPACE FOR THE FEW, IT'S, THERE'S NO, NO VIABLE ANIMAL HABITAT, UH, OR ANIMAL, UM, UM, UH, UH, VEGETATION FOR THEM TO EAT. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S FULL OF TOXINS. UM, SO I THINK IT'S COMPLICATED. I DON'T HAVE A VIEW YET. I THINK BOTH, EVERYTHING TERRY SAID IS TRUE, AND I THINK EVERYTHING BOTH YOU'VE SAID SHARED IS TRUE. WELL, THE, THE TOXINS ARE THERE. THEY, THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE FOR A LONG TIME. YEAH. NOTHING WE CAN CHANGE ABOUT THAT. THEY'RE GONNA, THEY WILL BE, THEY'LL BE THERE. YEAH, THEY'LL BE THERE. EVEN IF THEY TURN INTO HOUSES, THAT WILL BE TOXIN, THOSE TOXINS WILL BE IN THE GROUND. AND ONE OTHER THING BEFORE I FORGET TO MENTION IT, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE EFFECTS OF THE BATTERIES, THE BEES BEING AROUND, UH, SAY WHAT THAT TALKING ABOUT THE EFFECTS OF THE BEES BEING IN, IN OUR TOWN. ANOTHER THING MARGARET BROUGHT UP WHEN THEY FIRST CAME BEFORE US WAS THE MAINTENANCE. AND IF THERE IS A, UH, NOT JUST THE MAINTENANCE, IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, THEY, THEY HAVE TO SEND SOMEONE TO FIX IT. AND SHE POINTED, SHE GOT THEM TO SHOW THAT THERE IS REALLY NO ONE GOING TO COME AND THERE'S GONNA BE A ROBOCALL AND MAYBE SOMEBODY WILL COME NEXT WEEK. I, I WENT TO LOOK AT THE ONE AT SIX 60 AT TERRYTOWN ROAD, UH, THAT SHOPPING CENTER, UH, RIGHT TO THE WEST, UH, MARRIOTT ON THAT ONE. THERE WERE TWO STICKERS, SHARON, ONE OF WHICH IS HALF PEELED OFF. AND I'M NOT SURE THAT ANYONE WOULD GET CLOSE TO THE STICKERS IF THERE WAS A FIRE THERE. BE KINDA STUPID TO DO THAT. BUT EVEN IF YOU WERE STUPID ENOUGH TO GO, OF COURSE FOR ME, I'D HAVE TO PUT ON MY GLASSES TO READ THE STICKERS. BUT ASSUMING I WENT AND I PUT ON MY GLASSES TO READ IT, THE INFORMATION ON THE BOTTOM OF THE STICKER OF WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS, SHARON? IT IS TO CALL A NUMBER IN THE BOTTOM. SO SOMEONE WENT TO, WENT THERE AND THE COURSE FOR FIRE, AND IF THEY'RE ALL LIKE ME AND THEY PUT ON THEIR GLASSES TO READ IT, THEY WOULD HAVE THE VERY USEFUL [01:25:01] INFORMATION OF A TELEPHONE NUMBER IN NEVADA TO CALL. WELL THAT'S, NOWADAYS, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY SO AWFUL. WHEN, WHEN WE CALL A CUSTOMER SERVICE AND WE'RE TALKING TO TAIWAN OR SOMETHING, IT'S SORT OF LIKE , IT'S NORMAL. I WAS AIMING FOR IS THAT THE, THE CON ANY CONTRACTS THAT WE, THAT THE TOWN WOULD PERMIT TO SIGN FOR, ANY OF THESE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFULLY EXAMINED. EXACTLY. ABSOLUTELY. I, WE'VE HAD A REALLY GOOD MEETING TONIGHT. UM, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING THE EMAILS SO I CAN GET THE PROCESS GOING ON THE, UM, NEW MEMBERS GETTING THEIR INTERVIEWS SET UP. I JUST WANTED TO, BEFORE WE ENDED TO ASK IF ANYONE HAD ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANTED TO BRING UP BEFORE WE END THE MEETING. YES, PLEASE. SORRY, QUICK QUESTION. THANK YOU. TWO THINGS. ONE, UM, I REACHED OUT TO, I HAD MENTIONED THIS CARBON TRACKER THAT WAS DEVELOPED BY CURE 100 AND I SPOKE TO PATTY BUCHANAN. UM, SHE'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE SPEAKING AT A PANEL I PUT TOGETHER LATER IN APRIL. AND SHE, IT'S, IT'S A FREE SERVICE. THEY LICENSE IT OUT FOR FREEDOM MUNICIPALITIES AND SHE'S HAPPY TO COME AND SPEAK TO US OR TO ANYBODY ABOUT HOW IT WORKS AND WHY WE WOULD EVEN WANNA GET INVOLVED. AND, AND SO I DUNNO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHE WOULD COME TO THIS COMMITTEE OR I, SO IF YOU WANT YES, WE, WE, WE CAN SCHEDULE, WE'LL SCHEDULE THAT SOMETIME. I, IT'S UP TO TERRY. WE'LL SCHEDULE THAT SOMETIME. OKAY. SO LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS WANNA DO ABOUT THAT. AND MY OTHER QUESTION, OR IS ANYBODY FAMILIAR WITH THE NEW YORK STATE STRETCH CODE? WHAT KIND OF CODE? STRETCH. CODE STRETCH, LIKE STRETCHING EXERCISES? YES, BUT NOT EXERCISES. IT'S THE NEW YORK STRETCH ENERGY CODE 2020. IT'S ACTUALLY OVERSEEN BY, YOU MENTIONED, UH, NEW YORK NYSERDA, IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE CALLED? NYSERDA? IT'S FROM THEIR DEPARTMENT AND IT IS AN UPDATED VERSION OF AN ENERGY CODE RELATING TO NEW CONSTRUCTION AND EXISTING BUILDINGS. AND IT'S MEANT FOR LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES TO ADOPT AND USE TO CREATE THEIR OWN ENERGY CONSERVATION CODES. AND, UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE TOWN OF CROTON, AND, NO, I'M SORRY, THE VILLAGE OF CROTON AND THE TOWN OF CORTLAND ARE BOTH USING THE STRETCH CODES TO INTRODUCE THEIR OWN, UM, THEIR OWN CODES. AND, AND I HAVE THE CONTACT INFO, UH, WHO TO REACH OUT THERE IF I, IF WE WANTED TO GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING. AND AARON, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THIS? NO, I HAVEN'T. BUT I FIND IT VERY INTERESTING. AND LIZ, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND SHARING THAT INFO WITH ME AROUND EVERYBODY, LIZ, THAT'D BE GREAT. YEAH, I'LL THANK YOU ALL THE INFO I HAVE. YEAH, I THINK WE HAD BEEN TALKING, AND I KNOW NANCY AND GEORGE HAD BEEN LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE DO IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION IN THE TOWN THAT WOULD REDUCE THE USE OF ENERGY. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY INSULATION IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST ONES IN TERMS OF HEATING AND COOLING. YOU KNOW, A REALLY WELL INSULATED HOUSE IS JUST SO MUCH MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT. YES. AND THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THINGS JUST, IF THERE'S GONNA BE NEW CONSTRUCTION, IT SHOULD BE DONE IN A WAY THAT IS ENERGY EFFICIENT GOING FORWARD. SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT ONE TO SHARE. AND THEN MAYBE AGAIN, WITH THAT, I THINK WE HAD TALKED LAST MEETING ABOUT YOU, NANCY AND GEORGE KIND OF PEER, YOU KNOW, SPEARHEADING GETTING THESE RECOMMENDATIONS TOGETHER AND WORKING WITH AARON THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING EVENTUALLY FOR THE TOWN TO MAKE AS A RECOMMENDATION. GEORGE, DO YOU HAVE, IS THERE ANYTHING SINCE, UH, THE LAST TWO WEEKS OR WE MAY NOT BE, BUT JUST WANNA BE SURE. IS THERE ANYTHING LAST? UH, YEAH, THERE IS SOMETHING ACTUALLY, BUT, UH, YEAH, LIZ AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THE STRETCH CODE THAT SHE FOUND AND HOW IT DOES, UH, DOVETAIL WITH OUR, OUR, OUR RECENT TALK ABOUT THE, UH, CODIFYING SOME, UH, POSSIBLY CODIFYING SOME NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO, UM, WE SHOULD LOOK INTO THAT MORE CLOSELY. LIZ, THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING WHAT, WHAT YOU SAID AND IN OUR CONVERSATION EARLIER TODAY. BUT THERE WAS ONE SMALL ITEM LEFT OVER FROM, UH, LAST MEETING. UH, MIKE, YOU HAD ACTUALLY ASKED ME, I THINK IT WAS YOU HAD ASKED ME TO CHECK OUT SOME OF THE LOCAL SUPERMARKETS TO SEE, UH, WHO IS, UH, WILLING TO ACCEPT THE RECYCLE, UM, PLASTIC BAGS AND SO ON, AND WHO'S TAKING IN PLASTIC BOTTLES, UH, IN OUR, IN OUR VICINITY. SO I, I DID SOME, SOME PHONE CALLS. UM, I SHARED THE INFORMATION, UH, WITH, WITH OUR SMALL TEAM, BUT BASICALLY, UH, WE CANVASED ABOUT SEVEN OF THE, UH, SUPERMARKETS. SO ONLY TO FIND OUT THAT ONLY, UH, THREE OF THEM [01:30:01] ACCEPT BOTH PLASTIC BAGS FOR RECYCLING AS WELL AS PLASTIC BOTTLES. AND THOSE, THOSE THREE ARE FIRST THE STOP AND SHOP IN TARRYTOWN. GUESS YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT. THEY ACCEPT BOTH, UM, THE H MART ON CENTRAL AVENUE, UH, WHICH IS ON THE WHITE PLAINS, UH, HOT STEEL BORDER. THEY ACCEPT BOTH THE RECYCLED PLASTIC AND BOTTLES AND WHOLE FOODS AND WHITE PLAINS. OTHERWISE, I CONTACTED THE TRADER JOE'S IN HARTSDALE, THE ACME IN, UH, ON LITTLEWOOD ROAD AND WHITE PLAINS AND THE SHOPRITE AT THE CITY CENTER IN WHITE PLAINS. AND THOSE THREE, UH, OF COURSE ACCEPT, UH, BOTTLES. BUT I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT TRADER JOE'S ONLY ACCEPTS THEIR OWN BRAND OF PLASTIC BOTTLES THAT IS THEIR OWN. WELL, THE ELDERS WILL ACCEPT, UH, BOTTLES FOR RECYCLING, BUT THEY HAVE NO WAY OF COLLECTING AND RECYCLING ANY PLASTIC BAGS. WOW. THAT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM GOING FORWARD. GEORGE. I JUST LEFT PLASTIC BAGS THAT THE ACME ON NORWOOD ROAD LAST WEEK. SOME PEOPLE, UH, HAVE, OR SOME LIKE PLACES HAVE CHANGED 'CAUSE OF COVID RULES. I DON'T KNOW. LIKE THEY'RE NOT ACCEPTING. I KNOW IN THE BEGINNING SOME OF THEM WEREN'T ACCEPTING THE PLASTIC BOTTLES BECAUSE OF IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW, PLASTIC BAG SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE. WELL, THE ACME ON NORWOOD ROAD, UH, DOES HAVE A MACHINE SO THAT YOU CAN RETURN PLASTIC BOTTLES, BUT WHEN I SPOKE WITH THEM LESS, THEY HAVE NO PLACE TO, UH, COLLECT THE, UH, RECYCLE THE PLASTIC BAGS. NOW, UH, SHARON, I I, I DON'T, I CAN'T EXPLAIN THIS DISCREPANCY BETWEEN YOUR EXPERIENCE AND, AND MY CONVERSATIONS, BUT IT, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WE WE'RE BOTH RIGHT, UH, UM, IN OUR ENCOUNTERS THERE. AND THEY MAY HAVE JUST TAKEN YOUR PLASTIC BAGS AND, I DON'T KNOW, THROWN THEM IN THE GARBAGE. WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS THEY TOLD ME TO PUT IT IN SOMETHING THAT LOOKED VERY MUCH LIKE A GARBAGE CAP . SO I, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO AS A TOWN START TO TALK ABOUT. AND I THINK SCARSDALE IS COLLECTING THEM BECAUSE, UH, OR HAVING A PLACE AT THEIR SCARSDALE, UH, DUMP FACILITY TO COLLECT THEM BECAUSE AS STORES CEASE TO COLLECT THEM, I MEAN, AS I SHOWED YOU, I COULD NOT BELIEVE SINCE I, I TAKE THEM TO REDMONDS AND I, AND THEY, THEY TAKE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE PLASTIC BAGS AND I JUST WAS ABSOLUTELY AMAZED HOW WITH ONE PERSON OVER A PERIOD OF TWO WEEKS I HAD THAT MUCH IN TERMS OF PLASTIC BAGS IN ONE HOUSEHOLD. I MEAN, I ALWAYS HAVE TAKEN THE, UM, NEWSPAPER BAGS AND THE SUPERMARKET BAGS FOR RECYCLING, BUT I HAD NEVER REALLY FOCUSED IN ON, YOU KNOW, RINSING OUT THE, THE VEGETABLE BAG OR, OR THE DUMPING OUT THE BAG WITH THE CEREAL AND PUTTING IT INTO THE RECYCLING, WHICH WEGMAN SAYS THEY KNOW THEY'LL TAKE AND THEY, THEIR SIGNS SHOW THE BAG WITH THE STUFF IN IT. I WAS ABSOLUTELY AMAZED. AND BECAUSE THE PLASTIC TAKES SO LONG TO DECOMPOSE, I REALLY SEE IT AS SOMETHING THAT, IT WOULD BE REALLY SOMETHING THAT COMMUNITIES SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WHAT WE DO WITH THE PLASTIC, UM, BAGS. I JUST WANT WANT YOU TO NOTE THAT, UH, MY ENCOUNTERS WAS STRICTLY INFORMATION GATHERING. YOU KNOW, I MADE NO ATTEMPT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE MANAGER AND SAY, WHY AREN'T YOU DOING IT? OR WOULD YOU BE OH, NO, NO. DOING IT. I IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T SOMETHING I, YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST INFORMATION GATHERING. NO, THAT'S, MIGHT, MIGHT BE, THAT'S HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THESE PEOPLE. UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY THINK THE COMMUNITY IS BEHIND THE HAVING UH, UH, UH, REPOSITORY WHERE WE CAN GET PLASTIC OF ALL KINDS RECYCLED, THEY, THEY MAY SET SOMETHING UP. IT UH, UH, SO PLEASE ADVISE AS TO WHETHER YOU WANT ME TO TAKE THIS A STEP FURTHER. I THINK WE SHOULD PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR ANOTHER MEETING AND SEE WHAT WE WANTED TO ASK THE TOWN TO DO, UH, BASED ON. AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE IS JUST PERFECT, GEORGE, AND I THINK WE SHOULD PUT ON THE AGENDA, COME UP WITH SOMETHING WE'D ASK THE TOWN TO DO AND SEE IF THEY WILL DO IT. AND, AND THAT GIVES YOU THE BASIS THEN TO GO, TO GO BACK FOR THE SECOND LEVEL OF DISCUSSION. LEMME POINT OUT ONE THING I JUST DISCOVERED. YOU MAY ALL KNOW THIS, BUT TRADER JOE'S PLASTIC BAGS SAY THAT THEY ARE COMPOSTABLE. SO I'VE BEEN USING THEM JUST THROWING THE COMPOST OUT IN THE BAG. I HOPE IT WORKS. IS THAT TRUE? ARE THEY REALLY WELL, YEAH, I GO THEY REALLY ARE, BUT THEY SAY THEY WEGMAN SAYS THAT TOO, I BELIEVE. GO AHEAD. A NUMBER. I WAS GONNA SAY A COUPLE OF THE STORES, UH, GREEN MARKET ALSO IS DOING THAT AND MOM'S THE NEW MARKET THAT JUST OPENED IN DOPPS FERRY, WHICH I IS GREAT. ALSO HAD THE FOOD GRADE COMPOSTABLE BAGS. IS THAT STUFF WORK, [01:35:01] ERIN? IS IT TRUE? YEAH. THAT'S WHAT YOU PUT THE FOOD SCRAPS IN, RIGHT? MY KNOWLEDGE, YES IT DOES. OKAY, SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD MEETING THIS EVENING. I THINK EVERYONE WANTS TO HAVE THEIR DINNER. . AND UH, SHARON, ONE LAST THING. I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO OUR AARON FOR A MOMENT. DOCTOR, EVERYONE GETS OFF. OKAY. AARON, IF YOU CAN STAY WE'LL ALL, WE'LL ALL LEAVE, WE'LL ALL LEAVE YOU, YOU TWO TO BE ALONE TOGETHER, NO, NO, YOU CAN LISTEN. IT'S GREAT ABOUT MY NEIGHBOR . ALRIGHT, EVERYONE HAVE A GOOD NIGHT ON APRIL 8TH. OKAY THEN. BYE BYE. WHY DON'T. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.