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UM, WELCOME TO OUR, UH, GREENBERG, UH, TOWN BOARD, UM, WORK SESSION.UH, TODAY IS, UH, JUNE 1ST, AND IT'S, UM, ALMOST SIX 15.
UM, THE FIRST ITEM IS, UM, ASKING THE BOARD, UM, TO, UM, CONSIDER ENDORSING, UM, LEGISLATION BEFORE THE STATE SENATE AND ASSEMBLY, UM, THAT WOULD DEAL WITH, UM, INCORPORATION.
IT DOES NOT ONLY, UM, IMPACT, UM, UH, GREENBERG OR, OR EDGEMONT.
AND IF, UM, RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE A, A SUMMARY.
UM, THIS IS SOME, A SUMMARY THAT I, UH, PREPARED, UM, CURRENTLY IN THE ASSEMBLY RAISES AND MEANS COMMITTEE.
AND, UM, BEFORE OUR THE STATE SENATE, THERE'S LEGISLATION THAT WOULD OFFER A MORE EQUITABLE SET OF STANDARDS THAN THE CURRENT OUTDATED NEW YORK STATE VILLAGE LAW.
I URGE EVERYONE INVOLVED TO REVIEW THE BILL, WHICH IS AVAILABLE ON THE NEW YORK STATE LEGISLATURE'S WEBSITE.
THE BILL OFFERS SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE, INCORPORATORS, THE RESIDENTS OF THE PROPOSED VILLAGE, AND THOSE LEFT BEHIND IN, UH, THE REMAINING TOWN.
FOR EDGEMONT RESIDENTS, THE AMENDMENT WOULD REQUIRE THE PETITIONER EDGEMONT INCORPORATION COMMITTEE TO PRESENT THE FORMAL OPERATING AND CAPITAL BUDGET AND DESCRIPTION OF THE SCOPE, THE COST AND SOURCE OF ALL SERVICES, WHICH WOULD BE PROVIDED TO RESIDENTS.
THE MATERIAL WILL BE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE PETITION PRIOR TO VOTING IN A REFERENDUM.
IN ADDITION, THE PETITIONER, E I C WOULD NEED TO SUBMIT A PROJECTION OF HOW THE PROPERTY TAXES OF THE PROPOSED VILLAGE WOULD BE AFFECTED FOR A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS, WHERE THE PETITIONER, THE EDGEMONT CORPORATION COMMITTEE, THE AMENDMENT, OR FOR SIGNIFICANT, UH, CHANGES.
FIRST, THE CUMBERSOME REQUIREMENT OF COLLECTING THE NAMES OF 7,500 COMMUNITY RESIDENTS, INCLUDING MINOR CHILDREN, WOULD BE, WOULD BE, UM, WOULD BE DROPPED IN FAVOR OF SIMPLY USING THE POPULATION AS REFLECTED IN THE LAST DECENNIAL FEDERAL CENSUS TO ASSIST THE PETITIONER.
THE FINAL DETERMINATION OF THE SUFFICIENCY OF THE PETITION WOULD BE TAKEN OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE TOWN SUPERVISOR AND PLACED UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE NEW YORK STATE CONTROLLER'S OFFICE.
THIS AMENDMENT REMOVES ANY PERCEIVED POLITICAL AGENDA AND MOTIVE, AND ALLOWS A NEUTRAL GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY TO RENDER A DECISION BASED ON THE FEASIBILITY OF INCORPORATION BEING SUCCESSFUL FOR THE PROPOSED BOARDS WITHOUT DEVASTATING THE BALANCE OF THE TOWN FOR THOSE IN THE TOWN LEFT BEHIND.
THE GREATEST CHANGE IN THIS AMENDMENT AFFECTS THE REMAINING TOWN PROVIDING CONSIDERATION FOR THE HEIGHT OF THOSE MOST AFFECTED AND VULNERABLE TO THE FISCAL AND SOCIAL RAMIFICATIONS OF INCORPORATION.
THE AMENDMENT WILL REQUIRE THE PETITIONER, THE E I C, TO PROVIDE A STATEMENT OF ESTIMATED PROPERTY TAX IMPACTS FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD FOR, UM, FOR THE REMAINING TOWN.
IT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE THAT THE PETITIONER, UM, THE E I C PROVIDE A STATEMENT ENSURING THAT THE OVERALL PUBLIC INTEREST SHALL BE, UM, SERVED BY THE INCORPORATION OF THE TERRITORY INTO A VILLAGE, AND THAT THE COST OF THE VILLAGE SHALL NOT BE AN UE BURDEN UPON THE TERRITORY TO BE INCORPORATED OR THE REMAINDER OF THE TOWN.
ALTHOUGH THE LEGISLATION DOES NOT OFFER ANY VOTING REPRESENTATION TO THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, AFFECTED WITH THE RESIDENTS OF THE RESTON INCORPORATED, WHICH IS VAST, THE MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE TOWN, AT LEAST FOR THE FIRST TIME, IT OFFERS MORE CONSIDERATION FOR, UH, THEIR SITUATION.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THERE'S A, A POSSIBILITY THAT THIS COULD PASS SOME ASSEMBLY AS EARLY AS THIS WEEK OR, UM, OR, OR NEXT WEEK.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY ONLY HAVE ABOUT 10 DAYS TO LOBBY, UM, THE STATE, UH, SENATE AND, AND ASSEMBLY HAS THE LEGISLATION.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'M WONDERING IF ANYBODY ELSE, YOU KNOW, THE AUDIENCE OR, UM, THE BOARD MEMBERS OR ANYBODY WOULD, WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT.
I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, PAUL.
UM, THE CURRENT LEGISLATION ON THE BOOKS IS 65 YEARS OLD, AND IT'S CLEARLY PAST ITS TIME, AND IT NEEDED TO BE CHANGED.
I THINK IT WAS OVERLY CUMBERSOME FOR PETITIONERS, FRANKLY, UH, TO GET A PETITION THAT'S LEGAL,
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AS WE'VE SEEN WITH THE E I C, WHO HAS NOW FAILED TWICE, AND BEING ABLE TO, UH, HAVE A PETITION THAT COMPLIES WITH THE CURRENT LAW.SO GETTING, UH, REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT FOR, I DON'T MEAN THEY DO INHABITANTS, YOU, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA KNOW WHAT THE E I C IS, SO, OKAY, SURE.
THE E I C IS THE EDGEMONT CORPORATION COMMITTEE.
THEY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, ARE THE PETITIONERS, THANK YOU FRANCIS, UH, ARE THE PETITIONERS FOR INCORPORATION.
THE GROUP OF BENCHMARK RESIDENTS WHO PUT TOGETHER THE PETITION, GOT IT SIGNED AND PRESENTED IT TO THE TOWN, WHICH THEY'VE NOW DONE TWICE IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.
BOTH TIMES, UM, IT WAS REJECTED BY, UH, MR. FINER, UH, WENT THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM, AND ULTIMATELY, MR. FINE'S, UH, DECISION THAT THE PETITION WAS INSUFFICIENT WAS UPHELD IN BOTH CASES.
UM, THE FIRST TIME, ONE OF THE REASONS WAS, UH, BECAUSE INSUFFICIENT, UH, LISTING OF THE REGULAR INHABITANTS.
UM, THIS TIME THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN, ALTHOUGH I THINK THE DECISION THIS TIME IS QUESTIONABLE IN MY, MY VIEW, BUT NONETHELESS, IT WAS A LOT OF WORK FOR, FOR THE PETITIONERS TO PULL TOGETHER A LIST AS MU AS GREAT AS THEY DID, EVEN AN ACCURATE LIST OF REGULAR INHABITANTS.
SO THIS ACTUALLY MAKES IT MUCH EASIER FOR THEM TO PULL TOGETHER.
UH, THE PETITION, THE SECOND PART SEEMS LIKE A BURDEN ON THEM, WHICH IS THE FINANCIAL ANALYSIS, BUT ACTUALLY ISN'T, FIRST OF ALL, THEY DID A FINANCIAL ANALYSIS.
UM, THEY NEVER LOOKED TRULY AT THE IMPACT OF, ON THE UNINCORPORATED PART, THEY SAID, WELL, THAT COULD BE ABSORBED BY, UM, THERE'D BE COST SAVINGS ON THE TOWNS PART.
NEVER SAID WHAT THOSE COST SAVINGS WERE.
UM, THEY HAVE BEEN ALL OVER THE MAP OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY JUST RECENTLY IN THE SCARSDALE INQUIRER CLAIM THAT THEY COULD PURCHASE THE SERVICES FROM GREENBERG AT THE, THEIR CURRENT, UH, CONTRIBUTION, WHICH IS ROUGHLY 26% OF THE TOTAL BUDGET OF THOSE SERVICES AND STILL MAKE THE VILLAGE WORK.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S FI THAT'S FISCALLY IMPOSSIBLE.
THE VILLAGE ITSELF, ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN NUMBERS, ADDS ABOUT THREE, $3 MILLION IN OVERHEAD.
SO THAT MONEY HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE.
IF THEY'RE PAYING FOR ALL THE SERVICES, THEY ARE NOW AT THE SAME PRICE THAT THEY'RE PAYING FOR THEM.
NOW, WHERE WOULD THE $3 MILLION COME FROM? AND TRUTH, WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO IS GO TO A COST PLUS RATHER THAN ON A PROPERTY VALUE BASIS.
AND THEY'RE KEEPING THIS FROM, FROM THE COMMUNITY, WHICH THIS WOULD HELP BRING OUT.
UM, AND WHICH WOULD ESSENTIALLY CUT THE POLICE BUDGET BY OVER A MILLION DOLLARS, ELIMINATE, UH, PAYMENTS TO THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT AND THEODORE YOUNG COMPLETELY, AS AN EXAMPLE.
AND, UH, MR. F'S BUDGET FOR, UH, SANITATION AND HIGHWAY WOULD ALSO BE, BE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS IF, IF HE, IF HE WENT WITH THAT, PER THAT.
AND AGAIN, IT'S A ZERO SUM GAME.
WHERE WOULD THAT GO? IT WOULD GO ON THE, THE BURDEN WOULD BE SHIFTED TO THE BALANCE OF UNINCORPORATED GREENBERG AND HAVING TO DO THAT FINANCIAL ANALYSIS AND HAVING AN INDEPENDENT, UH, PERSON ARBITER WHO HAS NO SKIN IN THE GAME.
THE CONTROLLER HAS NO SKIN IN THE GAME, UM, EVALUATE THAT I THINK IS AN OUTSTANDING IDEA.
UM, THE ONE, THERE ARE TWO THINGS THIS IS MISSING, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND BACK, OR LET'S GET THIS BILL PASSED.
THIS BILL IS A BIG STEP FORWARD.
THE TWO THINGS THAT'S MISSING, OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S STILL NO VOICE, DIRECT VOICE FOR THE BALANCE OF UNINCORPORATED GREENBERG WHO WILL BE MORE, MORE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY THIS THAN ANYONE BY INCORPORATION OF EDGEMONT INCORPORATES.
AND THE SECOND ONE, WHICH I REALLY THINK SHOULD BE INCORPORATED, THERE'S NO MINIMUM VOTE.
SO YES, YOU CAN GET 20 IS ONCE YOU GET THE 20%, UH, PEOPLE TO SIGN IT, 20% OF REGISTERED VOTERS ARE, ARE ALLOWED TO VOTE TO SIGN IT.
IF 200 PEOPLE COME OUT AND 101 OF THOSE PEOPLE VOTES FOR THE PETITION, IT PASSES.
THAT TO ME IS AN INCONSISTENCY IN THE LAW.
AND AS WE KNOW, UH, EDGEMONT IS FAMOUS FOR NOT VOTING.
AND THE MOST RECENT ELECTION ON A $53 MILLION BOND ISSUE, UM, 555 PEOPLE OUT OF OVER 5,000 REGISTERED VOTERS VOTED REALLY, REALLY SAD.
SO I, THAT'S THE ONE THING I WOULD CHANGE, BUT I, I FULLY SUPPORT THIS BILL.
I THINK IT'S BALANCED AND IT HELPS THE PETITIONER AND AT LEAST GIVES US SOME INSIGHT INTO WHAT THE TRUE INSIGHT INTO WHAT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT WILL BE, BOTH ON EDGEMONT RESIDENTS THEMSELVES,
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AND ON ON THE BALANCE OF UNINCORPORATED AGREEMENT.ANYBODY ELSE? WALTER? YES, I, I, I JUST WANNA PIGGYBACK ON THE COMMENTS THAT YOU JUST HEARD BY, UH, YOU SCHWARTZ.
UH, UH, THE FIRST ONE, I, I THINK THIS IS AN EXCELLENT PROCESS TO HAVE, UH, UH, UH, INDEPENDENT, UH, UH, CONTROLLER TO LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS.
AND, BUT WE SHOULD NOT FORGET THE FACT THAT THE, UH, UM, UH, THE WAY IT'S SET UP NOW IS THAT THE FULL POUND DOES NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON IT FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT, UH, FEW, UH, UH, UM, CLEARLY, UH, UH, DEFINED.
BUT THAT BEING ASIDE, THAT DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING AN INDEPENDENT, UH, AUDITOR OR CONTROLLER LOOK AT THE WAY, UM, THIS WHOLE BUDGET IS, IS CONSTRUCTED.
BECAUSE ANOTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT IT THAT THE TOWN HAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FIXED COST, THAT FIXED COST DOES NOT GO AWAY.
AND IF EDGEMONT WAS TO LEAVE WITH THE IDEA, IDEA THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE TO PAY THE FULL COST, AND THEN THAT, WHAT THEY'RE DEPENDING ON IS THAT I, I IS THAT THE TOWN WOULD, WOULD HAVE A RELUCTANCE TO REALLY CUT A LOT OF THE SERVICES, AND THEY'LL BE SO INCLINED TO ACCEPT PAYMENT THAT DOES NOT COVER THAT FULL COURSE.
YOU SEE, SO THE TOWN WILL WIND UP ACTUALLY SUBSIDIZING HEDGE MARK BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, UH, BUILDING THEIR BUDGET ON FULL COST.
THEY'RE DOING IT MORE OR LESS ON PROBABLY A, A LITTLE BIT OF FULL COST, BUT A LOT OF IT IS JUST A MARGINAL COST, AND THAT'S TOTALLY UNFAIR.
IF THEY WANT TO CONSTRUCT A BUDGET BASED UPON FULL COST, THEN THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD BE.
THAT SHOULD, SHOULD BE WHAT THEY SHOULD BE SELLING TO THE PUBLIC, A FULL COST BUDGET.
YOU SEE THE REAL NUMBERS AND THE ONLY WAY THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF THE CONTROLLER IS ABLE TO CLEARLY DEFINE WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE.
SO AGAIN, I THINK I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORTIVE OF MOVING FORWARD AND GETTING THE CONTROLLER TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS.
AND THEN WHEN THAT'S DONE, THEN THE NEXT BATTLE IS TO GET EVERYBODY, UH, GIVE EVERYBODY THE WROTE, UH, THE, THE RIGHT TO VOTE ON IT.
ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO COMMENT? NO INTERRUPTIONS ALLOWED? YEAH.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, UH, PIG IT BACK ON THE, UH, TWO COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE.
I, I READ THROUGH THE BILL MYSELF, UM, AND, AND I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF THE BILL, UM, BECAUSE, UH, IT, IT REALLY TAKES AWAY FROM THE, UH, LEGITIMACY OF, OF EVERYBODY BEING A FULL-FLEDGED CITIZEN AND THOSE THINGS THAT AFFECT THEM.
AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT EDGEMONT COULD, UH, SEPARATE WITHOUT IT AFFECTING THE FULL TOWN OF GREENBURG, UM, THE UNINCORPORATED, AND, AND, AND IT WOULD HAVE SOME EFFECTS EVEN ON THE INCORPORATED PARTS OF TOWN.
UM, THE OTHER THING I, I, I LOOK AT, UM, IN THE, IN THE WAY THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PRESENT THE BILL IS THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT, THAT IF THEY WOULD BUY THEIR SERVICES, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE ON, THERE'S NO LOCKED IN SYSTEM, UH, THAT FORCES THEM TO BUY THOSE SERVICES FROM GREENBURG.
THEY WOULD BE AN OPEN MARKET FOR THAT, AND THEY COULD, UH, CERTAINLY GO, GO OTHER PLACES AND BUY THOSE SERVICES IF THERE'S A DISAGREEMENT WITH THE
SO I, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS AND GIVE EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO VOTE ON WHAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THEM, UM, BECAUSE THIS WILL HAVE AN EFFECT ON EVERYBODY IN THE TOWN THAT'S INVOLVED.
AND I, I, SO I FULLY SUPPORT THE BILL AND HOPE THAT, UH, WE CAN GET IT PASSED.
ANYBODY ELSE? MANNY OR MANNY? WRONG? WRONG BUTTON.
UM, YEAH, AND WELL, YOU KNOW, UM, UM, AS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE GREENBERG CIVIC ASSOCIATION AND AS A RESIDENT OF THE TOWN, UM, I, I LIKE, I LIKE THE CONCEPTS THAT ARE BEING ADDRESSED IN THE BILL.
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LIKE, LIKE WITH A LOT OF LEGISLATURE, SHOULDN'T IT, IT JUST TOUCHES, TOUCHES THE EDGES AND TRYING, TRYING TO GET SOMETHING PASSED.I KNOW WITH THE SAUSAGE MAKING THAT HAPPENS IN, IN GOVERNMENT, BUT I, I THINK IT SHOULD BE PRESENTED, UH, IN THE WAY THAT WAS MENTIONED BY SOME OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS.
WE NEED, THIS HAS TO BE AN EQUITABLE VOTE, UH, FULL REPRESENTATION OF THE TOWN.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, AND WE ALREADY KNOW SOME, SOME OF THE COMMUNITIES HAVE IMPACTED MORE THAN OTHERS IN THIS PROCESS OF ASSESSMENT, BUT THAT, THAT, THAT THIS, THIS, THAT PALE TO THE, TO THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THAT'S BEING, THAT'S GONNA BE TRANSFERRED FROM ONE, ONE PART OF TOWN TO THE OTHER, UH, I THINK WE SHOULD BE ASKING FOR THAT, FOR THE VOTE, UH, TO, FOR A VOTE TO COUNT.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED.
I, I KNOW THE LEGISLATION IS, IS, IS, IS ALREADY IN PROCESS.
AND, AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO WROTE IT AND, AND, AND FOR WHAT PURPOSE.
I, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IT WA IT DIDN'T ASK ENOUGH.
UM, I, OF COURSE, I, I SUPPORT IT BECAUSE IF THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE ON THE TABLE, WE HAVE TO ASK FOR IT AND, AND, AND MAKE SURE WE SUPPORT IT AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR TOWN BOARD SUPPORTS IT FULLY AND, AND, AND VIGOROUSLY.
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HEAR THAT FROM YOU GUYS BECAUSE, UM, AND, AND FROM THE SENATOR AND, AND OUR, AND OUR LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES, AGAIN, UM, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S AN AMENDMENT TO BE HAD HERE AND IT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED AND, AND, AND BROUGHT UP.
UH, IT'S, IT'S, LISTEN, IT'S, IT'S A QUESTION OF EQUAL VOTE FOR EVERYONE AND, AND SELF-DETERMINATION ON HOW THE MONIES AND THE SERVICES ARE ARE PARSED OUT IN OUR TOWN.
I, I AND I, I, I SAY SUBMIT THE BILL, BUT SEE IF YOU CAN PUT AMENDMENTS ON IT AND ASK THEM TO, TO PROVIDE, PROVIDE, UH, US WITH SOME KIND OF A OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE WHO COMES AND GOES.
BUT, AND, AND, UH, QUICKLY, AS I SAY, I REMEMBER A LONG TIME AGO, I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY WHEN CUOMO GAVE, CAME INTO THE, INTO THE GOVERNORSHIP THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MORE CONSOLIDATIONS LESS, AND, AND, AND IN VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS.
AND NOW ALL I'M SEEING IS PEOPLE WANTING TO SEPARATE THEMSELVES FROM AND, AND CUT THE LITTLE FIDO THAT THEY GIVES THEM SOME FEELING OF POWER.
I, I MEAN, I DON'T GET IT, BUT I, I THINK THE STATE SHOULD BE REALIZING IT.
THERE ARE SAVINGS INVOLVED WHEN, WHEN COMMUNITIES INSTEAD OF SEPARATING, UNITE AND, AND WORK TOGETHER FOR A COMMON GOAL.
UM, AGAIN, I'LL REPEAT, I THINK AN AMENDMENT SHOULD BE IN THERE, SO EVERYBODY GETS TO VOTE.
UM, BUT YES, PLEASE SUPPORT, PLEASE SUPPORT THIS, UH, BILL.
I JUST ALSO WANNA MENTION, UH, YOU KNOW, MANNY WAS MENTIONING THAT THE LAW COULD BE BETTER.
THE PROBLEM WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THAT THERE'S LEGISLATION BEFORE THE SENATE AND THE STATE ASSEMBLY AND THE STATE LEGISLATURE ADJOURNS, YOU KNOW, THEY GO OUT OF, UH, SESSION BY, UM, THE SECOND, PROBABLY BY THE END OF NEXT WEEK.
SO WE REALLY ONLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, 10 DAYS.
UM, SO MY FAILING IS THIS LEGISLATION IS BETTER THAN, UH, YOU KNOW, NOTHING.
AND I THINK IT GIVES, UM, UM, VOTERS, UM, MORE, UM, IF THERE IS GONNA BE A REFERENDUM IN EDGEMONT, PEOPLE AND EDGEMONT SHOULD KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE FINANCIAL RAM RAMIFICATIONS ARE GONNA BE TO THEM.
AND THE REST OF THE TOWN SHOULD ALSO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR RAMIFICATIONS ARE.
UM, UM, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO, UM, SAY ANYTHING OR ASK QUESTIONS? YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD, SAY SOMETHING TO, TO MANNY.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED.
HOWEVER, IT IS JUST A MATTER OF PAUL SAID OF WHAT, OF TIMING.
UH, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, FEW SCHWARTZ, PAUL, FINER ABERNATHY, AND WITH COUSINS OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, UH, PUSHING LEGISLATION THAT WILL GIVE US THE RIGHT TO VOTE IN THESE TYPES OF ELECTIONS.
AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE GOT IT THROUGH THE ASSEMBLY ONE YEAR AND ANOTHER YEAR, NEVER MADE IT TO ASSEMBLY.
THEN IT WENT THROUGH THE ASSEMBLY, AND THEN IT GOT TO THE SENATE.
UH, IT, UH, IT WENT INTO THE COMMITTEE, BUT AT THE LAST MINUTE WAS WITHDRAWN, NEVER GOT THERE.
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BUT THE REALITY IS IT CAN'T BE DONE IN 10 DAYS.AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I SAID, LET'S GET THIS DONE AND THEN MOUNT THE NEXT BATTLE ABOUT THE, UH, ABILITY TO, FOR EVERYONE TO VOTE.
BUT IN PRINCIPLE, I AGREE WITH YOU, JUST NOT, YOU CAN'T LOGICALLY DO IT.
I, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, I AGREE WITH YOU, WALTER, THAT, UM, I HAVE, I HAVE SUPPORTED, UH, THE OTHER BILLS THAT HAVE GONE BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE, AND SO WE ARE SEEING WHETHER OR NOT THIS WILL PASS.
AND, UH, MANNY, I DO UNDERSTAND, BUT I HAVE, HAVE THE, I HAD THAT SAME FEELING ABOUT THE GOVERNOR WAS TRYING TO GET MORE CONSOLIDATIONS, AND ALL WE SEEM TO BE DOING IS, IS GETTING MORE AND MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE SEPARATENESS.
AND, UM, THAT'S REALLY NOT WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING BECAUSE WE REALLY NEED TO STAY TOGETHER AS A TOWN.
THIS IS, UH, REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND IT, IT'S SOMETHING I, I DEEPLY BELIEVE IN.
UH, I THINK THIS IS, UM, UH, GREAT.
LET ME JUST ASK A, A QUESTION, UH, FOR THE BOARD.
UM, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE AGENDA, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR A VOTE.
WOULD WE BE ABLE TO DO LIKE AN INFORMAL, UM, UH, VOTE NOW OR, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE SORT OF A CONSENSUS SO THIS WAY WE COULD REACH OUT TO OUR STATE LEGISLATORS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE BY NEXT WEDNESDAY, THE LEGISLATURE MAY BE FORMAL ALMOST, UM, OUTTA SESSION.
CAN I JUST ASK, UH, OUR TOWN ATTORNEY, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THE CURRENT PETITION? UM, WELL, WHEN YOU SAY THE CURRENT PETITION, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A THIRD PETITION OR NO, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THE ONE THAT, UH, THE COURT HAS JUST RULED ON, WHAT IS, HAVE THEY EXHAUSTED THEIR APPEALS? HAVE THEY TIMED OUT? MUST THEY DO A NEW PETITION? ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS HAS BEEN THAT WHY ENACT SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GAME, SO TO, I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT AGAIN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROCESS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD AFFECT THE, THAT THE, THE PETITION THAT WAS ALREADY IN, IN COURT.
AND SO IT WOULD SEEM LIKE THEY NEED TO DO AN ENTIRELY NEW PETITION.
AND THIS WOULD BE EFFECT, THIS WOULD AFFECT A NEW PETITION AS OPPOSED TO THE PREVIOUS PETITIONS THAT WENT THROUGH THE COURTS.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THEY HAD A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME TO FILE FOR LEAVE TO THE COURT OF APPEALS, THE STATE'S HIGHEST COURT, AND THEY HAVE NOT DONE SO.
AND THAT, I'M SORRY, IN THE TIME OF PRIOR.
SO THEN THIS WOULD NOT, 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT, UH, SENATOR ANDREWS TO HER COUSINS HAD WAS, UH, IS IT, IS IT FAIR TO APPLY NEW LAWS TO AN EXISTING PETITION THAT THAT IS BEFORE THE COURTS? UH, THIS WOULD NOT DO THAT.
FROM WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THE, THE STATUS RIGHT NOW, FRANCIS, IS THEY'RE PULLING TOGETHER A THIRD PETITION.
THE THING THEY NEED TO DO IS THEY NEED TO DRAW A MAP.
WHICH IS NOT AS EASY AS IT SOUNDS
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING, LOOKING AT.
I ACTUALLY THINK THIS, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE THE, THEIR PETITION.
IN FACT, I THINK IT MAKES IT EASIER IN SOME WAYS THEY SHOULD BE UPDATING ANYWAY, THE FINANCIAL ANALYSIS, WHICH IS NOW ALMOST FIVE YEARS OLD.
AND THEY HAD DONE A DETAILED, IT'S STILL ON THEIR WEBSITE, SIX, I THINK IT'S 63 PAGE FINANCIAL ANALYSIS BACK WHEN IT WASN'T COMPLETE.
UM, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, FOR THE COMMUNITY, THEY SHOULD BE DOING THAT.
I, I, I THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY MAKING IT EASIER 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO COLLECT, YOU KNOW, 70 AS PAUL SAID, 70 OR 500 NAMES.
SO I THINK THIS IS A, I REALLY THINK THIS IS A GREAT COMPROMISE.
THEY WON'T SEE IT THAT WAY BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT, I DON'T THINK THEY WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT, ABOUT THE FINANCIALS.
BUT I, I THINK IT'S A GREAT COMPROMISE.
AND SO THAT, THAT MAKES, THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING IS, UH, THIS LEGISLATION IS NOT, UM, ONLY FOR, UM, EDGEMONT THIS LEGISLATION IS A STATEWIDE VOTE BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND THE STATE WHERE THE SAME THING IS, UM, YOU IS HAPPENING.
UM, SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE STATE TO DO, THE GOVERNOR AND OUR STATE LEGISLATORS
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IS TO PASS LEGISLATION THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, MAKE MM-HMM.MANNY? YEAH, FOR THE, FOR THE RECORD, I, I JUST WANT, JUST TO ANSWER SOMETHING MANNY SAID.
THE, THE, THE SENATOR WHO INTRODUCED THIS BILL IS SENATOR SFUS, WAS ACTUALLY FROM ROCKLAND COUNTY.
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE LIKE DUMPING ON, ON, ON A SECTION OF NORTHTOWN, BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, BY THE WAY, UH, MY, MY, MY, UH, BUSINESS PARTNER LIVES IN NYACK, AND HE'S CONCERNED THAT THEY'RE GONNA TAKE OVER THAT TOO, BUT, UH,
BUT ANYWAYS, UH, LOOK, YOU KNOW, ON THE QUESTION OF FAIRNESS, AND I, YOU KNOW, I, I WILL, I, I, I'LL, I'LL TALK TO ANYBODY, UH, IN THE SENATOR'S OFFICE OR ANYONE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S 5,000 RESIDENTS VERSUS THE REMAINDER 40,000 RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE GONNA TALK FAIRNESS.
I WANNA TALK FAIRNESS WITH HER.
THE FAIRNESS IS, UH, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO BE BURDENED WITH ALL THE, ALL THESE FIXED COSTS AS WELL AS THE MARGINAL COSTS THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT.
AND THE INCREASES, NO, I WANNA BE FAIR TO EVERYONE, BUT LET'S START WITH THE 40,000 VERSUS THE 5,000 IN EDGEMONT.
UM, I HATE TO SOUND THAT WAY, BUT IT, IT, THAT, IT MORE THAN FAIR TO, UH, EVERY COMMUNITY AND, AND AS WE WELL KNOW, UH, THE REST OF THE TOWN, THE UNAPPROPRIATED AREA WAS FOR YOUNGEST TIME WAS SUBSIDIZING THEM BE BECAUSE THEY WERE PAYING LOWER TAXES BECAUSE OF THE ASSESSMENT THAT THEY HAD.
SO LET, LET'S BE FAIR TO THE 40 AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND TO THE FIVE TOO, UH, THANK YOU.
UH, ONE CORRECTION, IT'S NOT 5,000.
IT'S ACTUALLY ABOUT 1700, 1700 PEOPLE SIGN THE PETITION.
AND IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE VOTING RECORD OF EDGEMONT, I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF YOU COULD GET 5,000 PEOPLE OUT TO VOTE, VOTE FOR THE PETITION, AND IT WON'T BE A LANDSLIDE.
THE FAIRNESS ARGUMENT IS, HAS TO BE THROWN BACK AT THE SENATOR'S FACE.
OKAY? I DON'T HAVE NO PROBLEMS. THIS IS NOT US AGAINST THE SENATOR.
I KNOW THAT, BUT IT, IT JUST, IT, IT PUTS US IN A SITUATION OF, OF HAVING TO CHOOSE FOR 1700 PEOPLE VERSUS THE, OR THE OTHER 40 43.
OKAY? BUT THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT THE SAME ISSUE.
I DON'T WANNA GET INTO, I GOT, I KNOW WHAT THE ISSUE THAT YOU BROUGHT.
IT'S PROBABLY DIFFERENT ISSUE BECAUSE THIS IS A, THIS WOULD AFFECT A NEW PETITION, NOT AN EXISTING PETITION.
SO THERE'S NO SENSE GOING BACK AND RELIVING HISTORY THAT ME NOT BEING RELIVE NO, THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT.
BUT IT WAS BROUGHT UP, UM, AND I, I, LOOK, I COULD TELL YOU A LOT OF TIMES THE STUFF THAT COMES OUT, UM, OUT OF, OUT OF OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES IS KICKING THE BALL DOWN, KICKING THE, KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, AND I, I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.
I THINK WE SHOULD STAY ON TOP OF IT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CALL 'EM TO TASK AND MAKE SURE THAT REPRESENTING US, OKAY.
I, I, YEAH, I, I GET A LITTLE EXCITED.
'CAUSE UM, I, I, I, I AM SEEING A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT GOES DOWN AND, UH, WHO, WHO ARE WE REALLY REPRESENTED? AND, UH, IT'S IN MY BLOOD.
OKAY? AND, AND JUST, I SAID NO SENSE RELIVING HISTORY, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO RELIVE SOME PART OF HISTORY.
HOW DID WE GET IN THIS SITUATION WHERE AN AREA OF A TOWN CAN INCORPORATE, AND THE AREA OUTSIDE OF THAT INCORPORATED AREA OR THE AREA TO BE INCORPORATED HAS NO SAY.
AND WHEN THIS VILLAGE LAW, THIS PARTICULAR VILLAGE LAW WAS CREATED, THERE WAS A TIME WHEN SOMEBODY WOULD PUT UP A HOUSE, SOMEBODY WOULD PUT UP ANOTHER HOUSE NEARBY, ANOTHER ONE NEARBY, NEARBY, NEARBY, NEARBY, NEARBY.
AND EVENTUALLY YOU HAD A CLUSTER OF HOUSES AND PEOPLE LIVING THERE, AND THEY DECIDED TO MAKE A VILLAGE.
AND WHAT WAS REMAINING WAS BASICALLY FARMLAND.
SO YOU DON'T GIVE FARMLAND, YOU KNOW, TO RIGHT THE BOAT.
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IT WASN'T REALLY OCCUPIED LAND, BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE ANYMORE.OUR UNINCORPORATED AREA, THE AREA OUTSIDE THE VILLAGES IS NOW FULLY DEVELOPED.
AND SO THE QUESTION BECOMES, ISN'T IT FAIR FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NO LONGER FARMLAND, NO LONGER COWS, DOESN'T IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THIS, UH, VOTE AS WELL? AND THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO THE SITUATION WHERE THE RELYING ON A VERY, VERY OLD LAW, UH, THAT REALLY TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION FARMLAND AS NOT NEEDING A VOTE.
WE'RE NOW IN THIS SITUATION WHERE AN AREA COULD THEORETICALLY, BY MAJORITY VOTE, DETERMINE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO, UH, INCORPORATE AND NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT HAPPENS TO THE REMAINDER OF THE, OF THE, UH, UNINCORPORATED AREA.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
IT'S REALLY, AS I READ THIS, IT'S REALLY GETTING DATA FROM AN INDEPENDENT SOURCE, UH, TO BE USED.
HOWEVER, THE INCORPORATED AREA, AREA TO THE INCORPORATED WANTS TO USE IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE ALL HAVE IS IF, UM, EDMONT DOES BREAK AWAY, THAT COULD LEAD TO OTHER, UH, HAMLETS IN THE TOWN FOLLOWING SUIT.
AND IT'S REALLY, UH, SCARY BECAUSE IF
UM, AND THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD MANY OF THE PROGRAMS THAT CURRENTLY ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE OFFERED.
UM, I THINK FRANCIS, YOU MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, WHAT PERCENT OF, UM, FAIRVIEW IS TAX EXEMPT? WELL, WE DID SAY YEARS AGO, AND, AND IT'S BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF ACCESSIBLES, BUT IT'S OVER 40% ACCESSIBLES IN THE, UH, FAIRVIEW ARE, UH, ARE, THEY'RE NOT, NOT TAXED BECAUSE THERE'S TOWN HALL, THERE'S TREMENDOUS NUMBER OF MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS.
AND WHEN YOU JUST ADD 'EM ALL UP, UH, THAT PARTICULAR, AND PARTICULARLY THE FIRE DISTRICT, IS VERY SERIOUSLY IMPACTED BY TAXES AND PROPERTIES, WHICH IS NOT THE CASE FOR, FOR MANY OTHER AREAS, RIGHT.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHY, UM, THIS IS REALLY SO NERVE WRACKING FOR, FOR THE TOWN.
IT REALLY COULD BE DEVASTATING.
LET ME ASK A QUESTION, UM, IN TERMS OF, UM, THE LEGISLATIVE ADVOCACY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE TOWN, OR, UM, COULD WE SORT OF HAVE LIKE AN INFORMAL CONSENSUS THAT WE COULD REACH OUT TO THE STATE LEGISLATORS ON, YOU KNOW, UH, SENATOR COUSINS OR SOMETHING THAT
HE DOES SUPPORT THIS LEGISLATION.
I HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO, UM, UM, SENATOR COUSIN'S OFFICES JUST YET, BUT I DID HAVE A, I DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH TOM EVAN AFTER THIS AFTERNOON.
SO HE DOES SUPPORT THE LEGISLATION, RIGHT? I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, I JUST FEEL WE REALLY, WE JUST HAVE A LIMITED TIME.
SO WOULD WE BE ABLE TO, UM, REPRESENT THAT THE, THAT THE TOWN BOARD DOES SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL? AND THEN YES, I, UH, I SPOKE, UH, PAUL, I SPOKE TO, UH, SENATOR COUSINS PERSONALLY, UH, UH, ABOUT THIS.
AND, UH, I'M NOT SURE WHERE SHE IS.
UM, I, I SENSE SOME HESITATION, UH, MAYBE TO GATHER MORE INFORMATION OR TO SEEK WHERE THE REST OF THE TOWN IS.
UH, I THINK FROM MY GATHERING INFORMATION, I'M NOT, I I WOULDN'T SWEAR TO THIS.
I THINK WOULD, UH, WOULD NEED SOME PERSUASION, UM, ON HER PART, UH, WHERE SHE COULD, WHERE SHE'S CONCERNED TO GET HER TO, UM, TO, TO REALLY FULLY SUPPORT THIS BILL.
UM, I, I THINK IT HAS TO DO WITH, UM, WITH, WITH THE, UH, VOTING AND FINANCIAL SUPPORT THAT SHE GETS.
I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE, I'M JUST GUESSING AT THAT, BUT, BUT I DIDN'T FEEL A STRONG SENSE THAT SHE WAS READY TO MOVE WITH THIS BILL AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME.
BISHOP, I'VE HEARD YOUR SERMONS.
YOU MEAN YOU SPOKE TO HER AND YOU DIDN'T CONVINCE HER
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SOME CENTERS, SOME CENTERS ARE READY TO CONVERT AND OTHERS YOU HAVE TO WORK ON.SO IF I MAY, UH, PAUL MADE A SUGGESTION AND WE HAVE NOT HEARD A RESPONSE FROM THE TOWN BOARD, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE TOWN BOARD IS SAYING IN TERMS OF SUPPORT OF THE LEGISL.
I FULLY SUPPORT PAUL SUGGESTION.
AS DO I, UH, UH, IT'S DEALING WITH A NEW PETITION AND, UH, I THINK IT, I THINK IT AVOIDS THE, UM, THE CONCERN THAT SENATOR HAD REGARDING PREVIOUS PETITIONS.
YES, AS I SAID BEFORE, I SUPPORT HIM.
SO MAYBE WHAT WE COULD DO IS, UM, UH, SEEK A MEETING WITH, UH, SENATOR COUSINS AND, UM, AND THE TOWN BOARD, UH, EVEN A ZOOM MEETING AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AND REALLY LET HER KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW DEVASTATING THIS COULD BE FOR THE TOWN, IF IT DOESN'T, IF IT DOESN'T PASS, ESPECIALLY FOR THE, YOU KNOW, AREAS THAT SHE IS SUCH AN, AN EFFECTIVE ADVOCATE FOR YOU.
YOU KNOW, SHE HAS ALWAYS, UM, BEEN AN ADVOCATE FOR THE POORER AND FOR, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, HELPING PEOPLE HAS BEEN A BIG, UH, SUPPORTER OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO, UM, UM, PERSUADE, YOU KNOW, UH, THE LEGISLATURE, JUDGE MONT DOES INCORPORATE IT.
IT REALLY COULD LEAD TO THE END OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
UM, AS WE KNOW, WHEN LYNDON JOHNSON WAS PRESENT, THERE WERE FIVE COMMUNITY CENTERS OF ITS KIND IN THE NATION.
AND JUST BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONLY ONE LEFT DOESN'T NEED, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE, IF THE UNINCORPORATED AREA OF GREENBURG KEEPS SHRINKING, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE FUNDS TO CONTINUE SUPPORTING MANY OF THE SOCIAL PROGRAMS. NOT ONLY THE CENTER, IT'S GONNA IMPACT THE POLICE, IT'S GONNA IMPACT, UM, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC WORKS.
IT'S GONNA IMPACT SO MUCH OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE.
SO I, SO I COULD THEN START, YOU KNOW, THE LOVING AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, UH, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD INVITE THE SENATOR AND HER OFFICE TO SPEAK TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN BOARD.
I THINK EVERYBODY HERE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, SHOULD PARTICIPATE IN THE LOBBYING.
ALL WE REALLY WANT IS FOR A VOTE TO TAKE PLACE IN BOTH THE SENATE AND, AND ASSEMBLY.
AND, UH, LAST WEEK, ONE OF THE COMMITTEES IN THE ASSEMBLY VOTED UNANIMOUSLY FOR THIS.
UM, SO THERE WAS ZERO OPPOSITION, UM, IN THE, IN THE ASSEMBLY LAST WEEK IN THE COMMITTEE.
ANYBODY ELSE, UM, WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS? YEAH, I, PAUL, UH, I THINK WE SHOULD TALK TO HER, BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD ASK HER TO, TO SUPPORT IT, NOT TO HAVE A VOTE ON IT TO SUPPORT IT.
I THINK IT'S NECESSARY FOR US TO EXPRESS OUR NEED AND OUR WANTS CLEARLY, UH, NOT, AND LET HER DECIDE HOW FAR AND HOW MUCH SHE'S GOING TO, SHE'S GOING TO, UH, BE, BE BEHIND THIS BILL.
I, I, I THINK WE SHOULD ASK HER TO, TO SUPPORT IT AND, AND, AND WORK THE VOTES TO, TO MAKE SURE IT PASSES IN THAT SENATE.
UM, I, I THINK IF PEOPLE ARE NOT ASKED, IF, IF YOU'RE NOT HONEST ABOUT THE, THE, IT, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T GET ADDRESSED PROPERLY.
YOU HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE UPFRONT ABOUT IT.
I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, RIGHT? NO, I WANNA SPEAK, YOU KNOW, FORCEFULLY, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LEGISLATION, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT THE TOWN VERSUS SENATOR COUSINS BECAUSE WE'VE WORKED WITH HER, UH, COOPERATIVELY, UH, IN THE PAST.
THIS IS, WE HAVE TO HIGHLIGHT TO HER HOW DEVASTATING THIS COULD BE IF IT'S NOT APPROVED.
AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, NOBODY WANTS TO GO DOWN AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I WAS PARTIALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR, YOU KNOW, HORRIBLE THINGS HAPPENING TO, UM, TO A SECTION OF THE TOWN THAT REALLY NEEDS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, NEEDS, UM, FINANCIAL HELP AND, AND, AND THE PROGRAMS. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, WHAT'S BEEN GREAT ABOUT GREENBERG IS WE HAVE PROVIDED PROGRAMS THAT ARE JUST OUTSTANDING BY THE COMMUNITY CENTER,
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DOES A GREAT JOB, AND I REALLY DON'T WANNA LOSE IT.AND NOBODY ON THE BOARD WANTS TO LOSE.
THIS IS THE WHOLE BOARD SPEAKING WITH ONE VOICE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY IS SPEAKING WITH ONE VOICE.
AND I THINK TODAY'S, UM, YOU KNOW, MEETING IS, IS A, A GOOD FIRST STEP AND HOPEFULLY WILL BE SUCCESSFUL.
UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY, ANYBODY HERE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE LOVING IDEAS AND LEGISLATIVE ADVOCACY SUGGESTIONS, YOU UM, PLEASE, YOU KNOW, PLEASE ADVISE.
AND I THINK, UM, I'M REALLY VERY GRATEFUL THAT ADDITION PRESTON AND CIVIC LEADERS, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE SPEAKING OUT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC AS TO THE SERIOUSNESS ABOUT THIS
UH, IF, UH, SENATOR COUSINS IS NOT, UH, OF THE MINDSET TO PRESENT THIS OR PUSH THIS BILL, IS THERE A WAY AROUND HER THAT WE COULD, UH, INVESTIGATE GET THIS TO THE SENATE? SHE, SHE CONTROLS WHAT GETS ON THE AGENDA, UH, FOR A VOTE.
SO IT REALLY IS, UM, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED PERCENT UP TO HER.
YOU KNOW, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE HAD CLOSE CALLS, UM, WALTER WORKED, WE'VE HAD A FEW CLOSE CALLS IN THE, IN THE PAST YEARS, AND THEN IT'S ALWAYS GOTTEN KILLED IN THE SENATE.
WELL, HUGH WAS WORKING, YOU AND I, HUGH AND I WAS WORKING THE PHONES LIKE MAD, BUT IT GOT PULLED AT THE LAST MINUTE.
WE WERE ACTUALLY SPENT, UH, AN AFTERNOON IN, UH, IN SENATOR COUSIN'S OFFICE, UM, WHICH I GOT A TICKET, WHICH SHE NEVER PAID FOR HALF OF.
UM, YEAH, I, IT'S, SHE, SHE CONTROLS THIS, THIS AGENDA JUST LIKE MITCH MCC THAT THE SENATOR MAJORITY LEADER IN, IN THE SENATE OF, OF DC CONTROLS THAT AGENDA.
SO WE NEED HER ON THE SIDE AT LEAST TO, TO ALLOW IT TO GO TO A VOTE.
I THINK IF IT GOES TO THE VOTE, IT'LL PASS.
AND THE THING IS, I DON'T SEE WHY THIS SHOULD BE CONTROVERSIAL.
ALL WE'RE ASKING IS FOR IS FOR A PROFESSIONAL C P A OR CONTROLLER TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND GIVE ACCURATE NUMBERS.
IT IS NOT, TO ME, IT'S NOT A PARTISAN THING.
IT'S NOT ANYONE AGAINST ANYONE ELSE.
YOU'RE JUST SAYING, WE WANTED TO FIND OUT WHAT THE ACTUAL NUMBERS ARE.
SO I'M A LITTLE LOST AS TO WHY THERE SHOULD BE OPPOSITION TO JUST GETTING FACTS.
WOULD YOU BE, UH, WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, WOULD EVERYBODY HERE, UH, THE CIVIC LEADERS BE WILLING TO, UM, REACH OUT TO HER OFFICE? UM, I KNOW CAROL ALLEN IS WORKING WITH, UH, IS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, THE HEAD OF OUR COVID ANGELS.
UM, WE'VE HAD A, A BUNCH OF OTHER, UM, CIVIC LEADERS WHO ALSO ARE, ARE INTERESTED BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS NOT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE ENTIRE TOWN THAT IS CONCERNED ABOUT THIS.
AND WE REALLY HAVE TO SEND A VERY STRONG MESSAGE THAT THIS COULD BE, THIS IS GONNA HAVE SUCH, THERE IS INCORPORATION, IT IS GONNA BE DEVASTATING TO A GOOD CHUNK OF THE TOWN, THE REST OF THE, THE REST OF THE TOWN.
PAUL, I THINK THE MOVEMENT AND THE, AND THE EMPHASIS HAS TO COME FROM UNINCORPORATED GREENBERG OUTSIDE OF EDGEMONT.
I THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY WHERE, WHERE, UH, IT HAS TO COME FROM.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN EDGEMONT, YOU KNOW, SO SOME OF THEM, THERE'S THE, THERE'S AN EDGE, A KEEP EDGEMONT GROUP, WHICH I'M NOT A MEMBER OF, THAT CLEARLY SHOULD BE REACHED OUT TO TOO.
THEY SHOULD, THEY CLEARLY WILL SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT INCORPORATION EITHER.
BUT THE WAY, THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT IS KIND OF PUT, YOU KNOW, IN, IN FRONT OF SENATOR COUSINS, THE NUMBERS, MANNY SUGGESTED THAT THE, THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG IS GOING TO BE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY THIS INCORPORATION ON A VOTE, WHICH IS LIKELY GONNA BE LESS THAN 2000 PEOPLE.
I CERTAINLY GONNA MAKE THE JUNIPER HILL CIVIC GROUP AWARE OF IT.
I THINK WE SHOULD REACH OUT TO THE OTHER CIVIC, UM, AND, UH, YEAH, AS A GROUP INDIVIDUALLY, UH, AND, AND HAVE THEM GIVE THEM THE KNOWLEDGE AND THAT'LL EMPOWER THEM TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING
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ON AND HAVE 'EM ALL SIGN A LETTER.UM, I THINK THAT WOULD INCORPORATE A MAJORITY OF THE 40,000, ALL THE CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS.
SO, UM, YOU ALSO MAY WANNA LOOK AT SOME OF THE, THE MAJOR BUSINESSES IN GREENBURG BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEIR POLICE PROTECTION AND THEIR HIGHWAY SERVICES AND THEIR, AND EVERY OTHER WONDERFUL SERVICE THAT THIS TOWN GIVES THOSE PEOPLE AS WELL IS GONNA BE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY EDGEMONT IN CORPORATION, OR THE TAXES ARE GONNA GO UP, ONE OF THE TWO ARE GONNA HAPPEN.
SO, UH, IF THERE'S SOME PEOPLE IN THE, IN THAT COMMUNITY, THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY COULD REACH OUT TO, I THINK THAT WOULD SPEAK VOLUMES FOR, FOR SOME OF THE COUSINS AS WELL.
AND I, MAY I ADD THAT THE VILLAGES ARE NOT THAT GOOD AT BUDGETING AND PLANNING? I'M SERIOUS.
I MEAN, JUST LOOK AT THE STUFF THEY DO AND, AND, AND IT'S A LOT, IT'S VERY, YOU KNOW, SELF-SERVING AND, AND WASTEFUL AND IN OTHER WAYS.
SO, UM, IT'S NOT THE BEST WAY TO MANAGE, UH, MUNICIPAL FINANCING IS HAVING MANY, MANY BUILDINGS.
ANYWAYS, I'D HAVE TO ADD THAT, BUT
SO WE'LL START OUR LOBBYING EFFORTS, AND WE'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH EVERYBODY, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND THANK YOU TO THE TOWN BOARD FOR, UM, WE'LL ALL SPEAK WITH ONE VOICE, AND WE'LL DO THE BEST WE CAN, AND WE'LL BE FORCEFUL.
WHEN IS THE VOTE, WHEN IS THE VOTE USUALLY IN ALBANY? UH, YOU, THEY DO EVERYTHING LIKE THE LAST 24 HOURS OF THE SESSION, OR, YOU KNOW, IT GOES VERY, THEY, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THOSE, IT JUST COMES UP ALL OF A SUDDEN.
SO IT COULD BE THIS, THEIR SCHEDULE TO ADJOURN IN 10 DAYS FOR THE, FOR THE YEAR.
UM, AND WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT IS THAT RUN INCORPORATION COMMITTEE BASICALLY SAID THAT THEY'RE GOING TO, UM, PROPOSE, UM, A THIRD PETITION EFFORT.
SO IF THE LEGISLATION IS NOT PASSED, THEN, UM, THEN THEY'RE GOVERNED BY THE EXISTING RULES.
THE LEGISLATION IS, IS APPROVED BEFORE THEY FILE A PETITION.
THEN THEY'RE GOVERNED BY THE NEW, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NEW LAW.
SO WE REALLY, THIS IS, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN A NUMBER OF YEARS, THERE'S NOT NO PETITION THAT IS, THAT IS CURRENTLY BEFORE EITHER THE TOWN OR BEFORE THE COURT SYSTEM.
SO IT'S, SO NOTHING WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED.
SO ANYTHING THAT'S APPROVED IN ALBANY WOULD, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE THE POLICY THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH.
HEY, PAUL GETS YOU OFF THE HOOK TOO, RIGHT? BECAUSE I CAN'T BLAME ME.
UM, WELL, NOT TOTAL, NOT TOTALLY.
YOU STILL HAVE TO, YOU STILL HAVE TO RULE ON THE LEGALITY OF, OF THE PETITION.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, PAUL WILL HAD, JUST FOR THE RECORD, SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, AND THIS IS RECORDED AND PEOPLE DO WATCH TV, HE DID HIRE OUTSIDE COUNSEL.
SO THERE WAS AN ARM'S LENGTH DECISION.
AND I GOTTA TELL YOU, I THOUGHT HE WAS VERY FAIR AND ACCURATE IN THE DECISION HE MADE.
AND IT WAS UPHELD NOW, UH, TWICE IN THE SECOND DEPARTMENT AND, AND ONCE BY THE COURT OF APPEALS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM IS NO MATTER WHAT HE DID, SOMEBODY WOULD THINK HE WAS BIASED, BECAUSE FRANKLY, IT'S AN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAW THE WAY IT IS NOW, IT'S A NATURAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
HE'S A
BUT HE, HE DID AS GOOD A JOB AS COULD POSSIBLY BE DONE.
BUT OF COURSE, HE'S GONNA BE CRITICIZED.
AND THIS LAW WILL BE CRITICIZED TOO, BY THE PEOPLE OF THE EDGEMONT CORPORATION COMMITTEE FOR SAYING IT'S VOTER SUPPRESSION.
THEY WANNA SEE VOTER SUPPRESSION.
GO LOOK AT THE LAW THAT JUST PASSED IN GEORGIA ON WHAT THEY TRY TO JUST PASS IN TEXAS.
THAT'S VOTER SUPPRESSION, NOT THIS, THIS IS VOTER EMPOWERMENT AND EDUCATION.
SO WE'LL GET, YOU KNOW, THAT TO WORK, BUT IF IT DON'T GET PASSED, IT WILL BE VOTE.
WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS VOTER SUPPRESSION.
WE DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE.
AND, AND WE NEED TO PUSH THIS THING WHERE IT'S E EQUITABLE TO EVERYBODY AFFECTED.
AND, AND WE NEED TO GET OUR STATE TO UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, WITH, WITH, UH, WHAT HAPPENED IN THE, YOU KNOW, THE TULSA MASSACRE AND ALL THAT GOING ON RIGHT NOW, THIS IS THE PERFECT CLIMATE TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.
UH, AND I, YOU KNOW, AND I FEEL HESITANT TO MAKE IT, UH, A RACIAL ISSUE,
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BUT WHERE THERE'S SEPARATION, THERE'S ALWAYS RACISM THAT YOU CAN PUT THAT IN YOUR BOOK.B BISHOP, THE ONE THING I'D LIKE TO SAY, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK OF YOU, I, I HAVE THE UTMOST FONDNESS FOR YOU.
UM, THIS HAS TO BE DONE STEPWISE.
I AGREE WITH YOU ALL OF THE, AND I'VE BEEN, I'VE PUBLISHED LOTS OF THINGS SAYING ALL OF UNINCORPORATED GREENBERG SHOULD ACTUALLY VOTE ON THIS.
IT'S UNREALISTIC TO THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THIS ROUND.
LET'S GET THIS ROUND AT LEAST TO GIVE SOME, SOME COVER TO THE REST OF UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG.
AND THEN LET'S GO AFTER IT A SEC IN THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SECTION SESSION TO GET THE VOTE FOR THE REST OF UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG.
I KNOW IT'S NOT PERFECT, BUT IT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
SO, UH, WOULD YOU WANT ME TO, UH, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF LOBBYING, UM, I'M JUST SORT OF WONDERING WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE, YOU KNOW, APPROACH? I MEAN, IS THERE A BOARD MEMBER WHO WOULD LIKE TO, UM, ALMOST LIKE LEAD THE LOBBYING EFFORT? UM, UH, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD GIVE US OUR BEST, OUR BEST CHANCE? YOU, ARE THERE COMMUNITY LEADERS THAT SHOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, OR, OR THE BISHOP? HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE WANT, UH, OR MR. SIMON, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK GIVES US THE, THE BEST CHANCE OF GETTING, UH, SENATOR COUSINS TO, TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER SUPPORTING US? WELL, I, I WILL CONTINUE WHERE I LEFT OFF IN TERMS OF PHONE CALLING, UH, UH, UH, OFFERS AND SPEAKING TO HER PERSONALLY.
THE OTHER THING I WILL REALLY MAKE A PUSH FOR IS, UH, UH, FOR THE RESIDENTS HERE IN HIGH POINT, THERE'S ABOUT 550 UNITS HERE.
AND THE PROBLEM HERE IS, IS THE GATED COMMUNITY, AND THEY REALLY DON'T TAKE AN INTEREST, MUCH OF A INTEREST OF WHAT HAPPENS OUTSIDE THAT GATE.
YOU KNOW, I'M ON THE BOARD NOW, AND I, I'M GOING TO PUSH AS HARD AS I POSSIBLY CAN THAT, UH, THAT, UH, THE BOARD HERE MAKE A PUBLIC STATEMENT OR SEND A LETTER INDICATING THAT IT IS 550 UNITS, UH, WHATEVER APARTMENTS, THE, UH, THE HOW MANY PEOPLE PER APARTMENT, BUT I'S ASSUME THAT'S A THOUSAND, UH, THOUSAND PEOPLE WHO STRONGLY SUPPORT THAT.
SO I WILL DO EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO SEE IF THE BOARD WILL SEND A LETTER TO ANDREWS, TO HIS COUSIN, UH, UH, ON THAT ISSUE.
AND I WILL PERSONALLY MAKE WHATEVER THE PHONE CALL TO LOBBY YOU THAT, UH, I DID, UH, BEFORE WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN HUGH AND I WAS THERE.
AND ISABEL, MAY I, MAY I, WELL, WALTER, HOW ABOUT IF SOMEBODY PUTS TOGETHER A LETTER AND, AND WE SIGNED IT, WHETHER AS A UNIFIED VOICE, THAT WAY IT'S CONSISTENT.
I, I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT A GOOD LETTER WRITER, BUT I, I, I THINK IF, IF YOU SIGNED IT AND, AND I, I GET MY BOARD AND THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION AT JUNIPER HILTON TO GO ALONG AND, AND BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE EXPECT YOU AS A BOARD OR, YOU KNOW, TO TAKE LEADERSHIP EXCELLENT IDEA.
I WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH SOMEONE WHO'S A FANTASTIC WRITER.
SO I WILL ASK HIM TO DRAFT A LETTER.
HIS NAME, HIS LAST NAME IS NOT AK, ONE OF THOSE
BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA.
AND THEN WE ALL SHARE IT AND THEN WE, WE, IF IT NEEDS TO BE A CHANGE, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ALWAYS WANT INPUT, WE'LL DO IT, BUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
WELL, I, UH, I, PAUL, I, I THINK THAT THE IDEA OF A LETTER IS A GREAT WAY, UH, TO GET, GET THE WORD AROUND IF WE HAVE ONE CONSISTENT LETTER THAT EVERYBODY COULD SIGN OFF ON, UM, THAT DIFFERENT LEADERS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT COULD, UH, COULD HELP GET TOGETHER THOSE NAMES AND CENTRALIZE THE EFFORT.
NOW, WHAT I THINK ALSO IS THAT THE
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TOWN LOOK FOR THE TOWN BOARD AND THE TOWN SUPERVISORS TO BE LEADERS IN THESE KIND OF THINGS.AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA IF, IF, UH, THE TOWN BOARD OR SOMEONE ON THE TOWN BOARD WOULD HIT THIS UP.
UM, AND LET, LET ME GO BACK AND, AND KIND OF, UH, REFLECT ON ANYTHING, UH, SOMETHING I SAID EARLIER, I DON'T WANT ANY KIND OF, UH, INNUENDO OUT THERE THAT I'M CALLING EDGEMONT RACIST.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT, I'M JUST SAYING SEPARATION CAUSES RACISM.
IT'S, IT'S EMBEDDED IN RACISM.
I'M, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE RACIST, AND I HOPE NOBODY, UH, THINK I AM SAYING THAT, BUT, BUT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH SEPARATION.
SEPARATION IS, HAS NEVER PROVEN OUT ACROSS HISTORY THAT IT'S BENEFITED.
IT'S ALWAYS UNIFICATION THAT BENEFITS, RIGHT? SO WE COULD, WE COULD HAVE A FOLLOW UP, UH, STRATEGY SESSION, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT DAY OR SO, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, TRY FIGURING OUT EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO, UM, TO ENHANCE OUR CHANCES OF GETTING THE LEGISLATION PASSED.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, IF EVERYBODY WOULD CALL SENATOR COUSINS'S OFFICE, I THINK WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL.
WELL, WE NEED A POINT PERSON, SO WE CAN SEND EMAILS TO THAT WAY THEY ORGANIZE THE LETTER PART.
WALTER, I'LL, I'LL SEND, PAUL HAS MY EMAIL, SO I I WILL SEND YOU THAT, UH, UH, AS PRESIDENT OF THE CIVIL ASSOCIATION.
AND, YOU KNOW, I COULD ASK, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, CAROL, UM, CHRIS, YEAH, CHRIS, YOU KNOW, MADISON, UH, FROM MY OFFICE TO HELP, YOU KNOW, COORDINATE LIKE THE LOGISTICS, YOU KNOW, OF THIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BASICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW UP.
CAROL ALLEN HAD A, YOU KNOW, A, A FAMILY, UM, UH, SITUATION, SO WAS UNABLE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO ATTEND.
BUT SHE'S A GREAT ORGANIZER, THE COVID ANGEL, SO WE COULD, YOU KNOW, GET HER, YOU KNOW, GET HER INVOLVED.
UM, MAYBE BISHOP, THE BISHOP COULD REACH OUT TO THE OTHER, UM, UH, RELIGIOUS LEADERS, YOU KNOW, IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND HOPEFULLY WE COULD ENLIST, UM, THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT.
AND THEN WE COULD, AND HOPEFULLY, UH, SENATOR COUSINS, UM, WILL BE, UM, WILL BE RESPONSIVE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I I REALLY BELIEVE THAT MY HEART, THAT SHE WANTS TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND I FEEL THAT SHE'S PASSIONATE ABOUT, UM, THE CENTER AND ABOUT, UM, THE PROGRAMS WE HAVE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I FEEL THAT IF WE MAKE IT A, A GOOD CONVINCING CASE, I THINK THAT SHE'LL BE, UM, THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT SHE'LL BE, SHE'LL BE RECEPTIVE BECAUSE I, I REALLY BELIEVE SHE WANTS, WANTS RIGHT FOR THE RIGHT, FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT, YOU KNOW, SHE HAS SO MANY THINGS ON HER PLATE THAT MAYBE SHE HASN'T FOCUSED ON THE RAMIFICATIONS THIS IS GONNA HAVE FOR, UM, FOR THE WHOLE TOWN, UNINCORPORATED TOWN.
SO, YOU KNOW, I FEEL IF WE EDUCATE, UM, AND FORUM, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY, UM, SHE CAN BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SAVING THE TOWN AND BE A REAL HERO FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBERG.
SO WHO WILL BE THAT POINT FIRST? WELL, I COULD BE THE POINT PERSON.
UH, UM, UM, UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEND MORE, YOU KNOW, SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME TIME AND HELP ORGANIZE, YOU KNOW, HELP ORGANIZE IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, I ALSO FEEL NOW THAT TOWN BOARDS, UM, INVOLVED, UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ALSO, UM, NOW, UM, REACH OUT TO TERRANCE, UM, UM, AND ASK HIM TO ALSO, YOU KNOW, HELP BECAUSE HE HAS A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, CONNECTIONS AND CONTACTS AND GOOD ORGANIZER.
AND HE ALSO, UM, HAS THE MOST TO LOSE BECAUSE IF AS ONE INCORPORATES THE CENTER, IT'S GONNA BE IN CS JEOPARDY.
BUT ONCE YOU GET THE LETTER TOGETHER, SEND ME A COPY AND I'LL DUPLICATE IT AND I'LL PUT, PUT A TEAM TOGETHER TO GET A THE STREET AND GET SOME NAMES TO SEND.
WELL, I COURT ALREADY, UM, PREPARED, UM, AN ONLINE PETITION, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, LAST WEEK.
WHICH HASN'T BEEN CIRCULATED YET, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'LL ASK LLOYD, UM, TO GET YOU THE PETITION AND THEN THAT THAT CAN MAKE IT EASIER.
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TERRIFIC.SO NEXT, UM, DO WE HAVE THE HOUSING AUTHORITY ON THE AGENDA? WE DO.
SO I WOULD JUST POINT OUT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD SOME, UH, EXTENSIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, HOUSING FINANCE AGENCY REPRESENTATIVES.
I, I'VE SPOKEN TO, UH, JOHN SAVAGE, WHO I BELIEVE IS ON THE LINE AS WELL.
AND, AND WE DO THINK THAT, UH, WE WORKED OUT SOME COMPROMISED LANGUAGE, UH, THAT WOULD WORK TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, I CIRCULATED THAT TO THE TOWN BOARD.
HOPEFULLY WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ IT AND HOPEFULLY IT'S ACCEPTABLE.
I I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE BOTH ON THE SAME PAGE.
UH, IS THIS, I, I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE BOTH HAVE THE SAME THOUGHT PROCESS.
I THINK THERE'S SOME WORDSMITHING INVOLVED IN HERE.
YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, IT SAYS MAY NOT, UH, TERMINATE THE TENANCY OF A FAMILY, BUT IF IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL, UH, AND NOT NECESSARILY A FAMILY, BUT THE SOLE PERSON IN THE UNIT, UH, BUT I, I, I THINK, I THINK THE UNDERSTANDING IS, UM, AS MUTUAL AGREEMENT AS TO THE UNDERSTANDING AS TO IT.
BUT I DO THINK WE MAY HAVE TO WORDSMITH THIS WORDING A LITTLE BIT.
ALSO, I WOULD ONLY HIGHLIGHT THE, THE SENSE OF URGENCY IN TERMS OF TIME.
AND I, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL LENDERS INVOLVED AND, UH, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY APPROVE THIS LANGUAGE, SO WE REALLY GOTTA BE CAREFUL IN TERMS OF WORDSMITHING AND, AND AFFECTING THE TIME SCHEDULE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, CERTAINLY A SENSITIVITY HERE.
TIM, AND MAY I ASK, MAY, MAY I ADD THAT THAT LANGUAGE IS STRAIGHT FROM THE STATUTE 24 C F R NINE SIX STRAIGHT FROM THE STATUTE.
THIS LANGUAGE HERE IS FROM THE STATUTE.
JOHN, THEY MENTION THE HOUSING AUTHORITY IN PARTICULAR? NO, THE ADDED LANGUAGE I'M SAYING PROVIDED THAT, I'M SORRY, NOT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, BUT IT SAYS THE, THE, THE STATUTE SAYS PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITY P SO WE JUST INSERTED GREENBERG HOUSING AUTHORITY.
'CAUSE THIS IS THE P H A, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT SAYS MAY NOT EVICT OR TERMINATE THE ANCY OF A FAMILY THAT'S TERM USED FAMILY.
BUT I DON'T RECALL THEM USING THE TERM INCOME LIMIT.
BUT AS 80% RATHER THAN, RATHER THAN GO THROUGH THE REDUNDANCY OF SPELLING OUT IN EXCESS OF 80% OF ERRORED INCOME, WE JUST SHORTENED THAT TO BE, TO DEFINE IT AS INCOME LIMIT.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH C C F R.
IT'S CONSISTENT WITH CCF 24, CFR 19.
DO WE KNOW IF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS SIGNED UP ON THAT? BECAUSE IT'S REALLY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE TOWN.
I DON'T THINK THE TOWN HAS ACTUALLY HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AT ALL.
I THINK, I THINK WE NEED TO CONDITION OUR APPROVAL ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT APPROVING THIS CHANGE.
BECAUSE IT'S, THIS IS AN AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SO WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT? DID THEY PASS THE RESOLUTION? DISTRICT, DISTRICT IS MEETING, UH, TONIGHT.
ON THIS WORDING, ON THIS, ON THIS CORRECTIVE MEETING IN THE SUBORDINATION COMMITTEE, WILL THEY, WILL THEY BE VOTING ON THIS VERDICT? THE RESOLUTION IS BEFORE THEM.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'LL BE VOTING ON OR NOT.
BUT IS THE RESOLUTION THAT'S BEFORE THEM HAVE THIS VERDICT? THAT I CAN'T TELL YOU.
I HAVEN'T SEEN THE RESOLUTION.
I MAY ASK YOU A QUESTION COUNCIL, SHE IS, IS, IS CONCERNED ABOUT, BECAUSE THERE'S A TENDENCY OF A FAMILY,
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HAS THE, HAS THE, UH, STATUTE EVER BEEN INTERPRETED TO, TO RELATE TO AN INDIVIDUAL AS BEING THAT HOUSEHOLD? AND THAT WOULD BE THAT FAMILY? YES, IT'S ACTUALLY RELATED TO THE HOUSEHOLD, BUT THEY USE THE TERM FAMILY, DIANA.SO THAT ENCOMPASSES AN INDIVIDUAL AS WELL.
SO ABOVE, WHEN IT SAYS HOUSING FOR PERSONS, RIGHT, WHERE IT SAYS 71 73, RIGHT? BY THE HOUSING FOR PERSONS, IT DOESN'T SAY FAMILIES.
SO IT DOES REFER TO INDIVIDUALS WHEN IT WANTS TO, WHICH IS WHY I'M SAYING THAT THERE MAY NEED, THERE MAY NEED A NEED, MAY BE A NEED FOR SOME WORDSMITH.
NOW IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS WHAT THE LENDER'S ACCEPTING, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW IF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS EVEN THIS LANGUAGE AND MAYBE THEY'D BE VOTED ON SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
AND THIS IS REALLY AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S AN URGENCY, BUT I DON'T THINK THE DUCKS ARE IN A ROAD.
WELL, TO ME THEY'RE INDEPENDENT ACTIONS ACTUALLY.
I MEAN, THE SCHOOL, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WILL HAVE ITS VOTE AND THE TOWN BOARD NEEDS TO HAVE IT.
AND IF WE VOTE ON DIFFERENT LANGUAGE, YOU'RE NOWHERE.
WE'RE 50% THERE, 50% OF THE WAY THERE.
IF, IF THIS IS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN US AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, CORRECT? YES.
SO IF THE, IF THE TWO PARTIES CAN'T AGREE ON LANGUAGE AND INSTEAD VOTE ON SEPARATE LANGUAGE, YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT TO YOUR LENDER AND SAY, YOU KNOW, PICK ONE.
WELL, FRANCIS, QUITE FRANKLY, YOUR LANGUAGE HERE IS MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN EVEN, UH, THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS PUT BEFORE YOU PREVIOUSLY.
SO I, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO IMAGINE THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, EVEN IF THIS IS FOR THEM PRESENTLY, WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MORE RESTRICTIVE LANGUAGE.
AND YOU CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WELL, THE SCHOOL BOARD JUST, I MEAN, NOT THE SCHOOL BOARD.
THE TOWN BOARD JUST NEEDS TO DECIDE WHETHER IT'S GONNA VOTE ON THE MATTER OR NOT.
WELL, WE CAN VOTE ON THIS, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE CONDITIONED ON THE SCHOOL, SINCE THIS IS A CONTRACT NOW WITH THE BERG HOUSING AUTHORITY.
BUT WHAT THEY ARE, I COVER THAT WITH THE, UH, IT'S THE TOWN AND THE, THE, UH, SCHOOL DISTRICT, I THINK OURS.
SO THAT WE'RE NOT BASICALLY FORCING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S HAND IS THAT WE SHOULD CONDITION OUR APPROVAL ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO PROVE IT AS WELL.
IT DOESN'T MAKE, WE HAVE, WE NEED BOTH PARTIES TO AGREE.
AND WHAT WE HAVE NOT HAD IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND US DISCUSSING THIS.
WE'VE HAD THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND US DISCUSSING THIS AND THE HOUSING AUTHORITY DISCUSSING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, BUT THE TWO PARTIES, WHICH IS US AND THE, AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WE HAVE NOT HAD A DISCUSSION.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS, BUT, UM, WE CERTAINLY HAVEN'T.
SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT SINCE TIME IS OF ESSENCE, SOMEBODY SHOULD GET TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TONIGHT AND SAY, UH, THIS IS WHAT THE TOWN IS VOTING ON.
WILL YOU VOTE ON THIS LANGUAGE? TIM, IS THERE A WAY TO REACH OUT TO SEE IF THIS CAN BE DONE? YEAH, I MEAN I'VE, I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
THEY TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE.
I I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE, UM, UH, UH, AN ISSUE WITH THE LANGUAGE.
THEY HAVE OTHER ISSUES THAT DON'T PERTAIN TO THE LANGUAGE.
THEY'RE FINE WITH THE LANGUAGE THE WAY IT IS.
I CAN'T SAY THAT THEY'VE SEEN THIS SPECIFIC LANGUAGE BECAUSE WE JUST CAME UP WITH THIS LANGUAGE SOMETIME THIS AFTERNOON.
BUT, BUT THEY'RE NOT FOCUSED ON THE LANGUAGE.
SO WHAT IS THEIR ISSUE?
THEIR ISSUE IS WITH THE TAM, THEIR ISSUE IS, UM, THE AMOUNT OF, UM, UM, TAXES OR PAYMENTS IN LIEU OF TAXES THAT THEY GET.
THEIR ISSUE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH, UM, THE LANGUAGE IN TERMS OF OVER INCOME TENANTS FOR THAT TYPE OF THING.
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ALRIGHT.SO IT'S THE PILOT THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT? YES, BUT WE, WE, WE TREATED THE HOUSING AUTHORITY DIFFERENTLY THAN OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT THAT WE DID BECAUSE IT'S THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.
UM, WE NOW, YOU KNOW, BUT WE, WE LATER LEARNED THAT THEY'RE NO LONGER GOING TO BE PUBLIC HOUSING GOING SECTION EIGHT HOUSING.
WELL, WE KNEW THE SECTION EIGHT HOUSING DIDN'T KNOW.
THAT MEANS THAT THEY'RE NO LONGER PUBLIC HOUSING.
UM, THEY'RE 80% OF A M I, OTHER OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING, LOW INCOME HOUSING WE HAVE ADOPTED HAS BEEN UP TO 60% OF A M I.
NOW, THIS, THIS IS GETTING VERY CONVOLUTED.
UH, A LOT OF IT'S BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, THE 11TH HOUR WE NEED TO DO, WE NEED TO DO, WE NEED TO DO, UM, AND HERE WE'RE NOT EVEN DISCUSSING CHANGING A COVENANT WITH THE PARTY, WITH WHICH, WITH WHOM WE HAVE THE GOVERNOR.
WELL, AGAIN, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, IS, UM, IS, IS FINE WITH THE LANGUAGE.
THAT'S, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE.
THEY UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE THAT YOU DESCRIBED.
BUT I THINK THEY DON'T WANT TO JEOPARDIZE THE FUNDING TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.
I THINK THAT'S THEIR PRIMARY CONCERN AT THIS POINT.
SO TIM, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO REACH OUT TO SEE IF THEY'RE GOING TO PASS THE RESOLUTION AND THAT, THAT THE AGREEMENT WILL BE THE SAME AS WHAT WE'RE PASSING? YES.
SO JOHN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD A PLAN TO ATTEND THE SCHOOL BOARD'S MEETING OR NOT, OR, OR WHETHER YOU'VE BEEN INVITED.
UM, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THEM AWARE OF, OF THE LANGUAGE THAT'S BEEN INSERTED IF, IF THEY DON'T HAVE IT ALREADY.
UH UH, UM, I JUST, I DON'T WANNA REALLY SEE THE PROJECT JEOPARDIZED.
I MEAN, I, I, I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF.
YOU KNOW, I, I FEEL THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PROJECT AND YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE THAT, YOU KNOW, I I I JUST WANT SEE THE LEGISL, THE, THE HOUSING AUTHORITY DO WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO IN TERMS OF, UM, ENHANCING PEOPLE'S LIVES AND, AND MAKING THE RENOVATIONS.
I'M REALLY NERVOUS THAT WE'RE GONNA LOSE THE FUNDING, YOU KNOW? YES.
I THINK IF TIM REACHES OUT OR OR JOHN REACH EITHER DO THE, OR BOTH OF THEM REACH OUT TO FIND OUT WHAT IN FACT THEY ARE PASSING THIS EVENING, THEN WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT ISSUE OFF THE TABLE.
AND IF WE'RE DOING A CORRECTION TO THIS, DOES THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WANTED TO CHANGE THE NAME OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS AND IN A CORRECTION THAT WILL HAVE TAKE EFFECT AFTER THEY'VE CHANGED THE NAME OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SO MAYBE WE SHOULD MAKE, UM, THE RESOLUTION SUBJECT TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S, UM, APPROVAL AND MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE NEW LANGUAGE AND THAT WAY THAT THAT MIGHT ADDRESS THE ISSUE.
IF THAT WILL MOVE THIS MATTER FORWARD.
AND AGAIN, AND, AND I KNOW EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S RENOVATION OF FIVE SITES.
IT'S A, IT'S A 48 OR $49 MILLION INVESTMENT THAT WILL IMPROVE THE LIVES OF, OF, OF OTHER PEOPLE.
UM, SO IT'S A VERY, YOU KNOW, SENSITIVE, UM, AGREEMENT.
YOU KNOW, THE LENDERS ARE STARTING TO GET CONCERNED BECAUSE THEY'RE HEARING THESE ISSUES COME UP.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO TRY TO ADDRESS IT IN, IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE, IN THE MOST EXPEDITIOUS FASHION SO WE CAN, UM, HELP PEOPLE.
WE WANT TO DO IT EXPEDITIOUSLY, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO DO IT FAIRLY AND WITHOUT THIS ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE IN THERE, ONLY THOSE THAT WERE AT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WOULD BASICALLY BE GRAND PARENTED INTO THEIR INCOME WOULD ALWAYS BE JUDGED BASED ON, UM, THEIR INITIAL ENTRY INTO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.
UH, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS A LOCAL LAW LATER PASSED.
THIS NOW MAKES THEM EQUIVALENT TO EVERYBODY ELSE.
I'M NOT SAYING THERE SHOULD BE OR SHOULDN'T BE A LOCAL LAW PASSED REGARDING THIS, BUT I I, MY MAIN FOCUS HAS BEEN THAT THERE SHOULD BE CONSISTENCY AMONG EACH OF THE UNITS AND NOT SOME SITES BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY.
BUT THIS SEEMS TO DO THAT, FRANCIS.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD VOTE ON IT.
WE CAN VOTE ON IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IT AS AMENDED AND CONDITIONED ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT APPROVING THIS.
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WHAT ARE YOU AMENDING, FRANCIS? THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO WHAT MATTER OF FACT, THE HEADING, AND I DIDN'T COME UP WITH A HEADING.THE HEADING THAT IS ON THE RESOLUTION STATES THAT, UH, WHEN WE GET TO THE, UH, WHERE IS THE SPECIALTY
THAT'S REALLY NOT WHAT WE'RE ADDRESSING HERE.
SO I, I THINK THIS, I THINK THIS HEADING SHOULD BE MODIFIED TO STATE WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING HERE.
UNLESS YOU AGREE THAT THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
JUST WANTED SOME CLARITY ON WHAT YOU WERE AMENDING.
SO YOU'RE PROPOSING TO AMEND THE, THE CAPTION TO THE RESOLUTION? WELL, AS THE CAPTION TO THE RESOLUTION, I THINK WE NEED TO, UNLESS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DISAGREES, IT'S NO LONGER A CENTRAL SEVEN.
AND SO I I, I WOULD THINK THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO CORRECT THEIR SCHOOL NAME SINCE THEY'RE GOING TO SIGN OFF ON THIS AFTER NOW, WHICH IS WHEN, UM, WHICH IS AFTER THEY CHANGED THEIR NAME.
AND, UH, THIS WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY PUBLISHED.
WELL, AREN'T THEY GREENBERG CENTRAL SCHOOL DISTRICT? PRESENTLY THEY'RE GREENBURG CENTRAL SCHOOL DISTRICT, BUT NOT NUMBER SEVEN.
WHERE DOES NUMBER SEVEN APPEAR? I'M SORRY.
IT'S, IT'S THERE JOHN, UH, IN THE, UH, FIRST WHEREAS AT TENCENT, UH, YEAH, BUT THEY WERE GREENBERG CENTRAL SEVEN AT THE TIME THE INDENTURE WAS MADE.
THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE CORRECTION DEAN DURING A CORRECTION.
BUT, BUT STILL, AT THE TIME THE INDENTURE WAS ENTERED INTO A 1970, THEY WERE GREENBERG CENTRAL SEVEN.
I GUESS THE, THE ONLY OTHER AME, THE ONLY OTHER AMENDMENT TO WOULD BE, UH, SUBJECT TO THE PASSAGE BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
THAT WOULD BE THE AMENDMENT TO OUR, TO OUR RESOLUTION, JOHN, THAT DOES THAT CREATE A PROBLEM?
IF THAT WILL MOVE THIS MATTER FORWARD, THEN FINE.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL, WE HAVE TO DO THE SPECIAL MEETING THOUGH.
RIGHT? BUT I THINK THERE'S A TOPIC BEFORE.
SHOULD WE DO THIS? UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE, OH, WE ALSO HAVE, YEAH, THE NATURAL DANCE.
PEOPLE DO THE DANCE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO RESOLVE THAT.
I THINK WE SHOULD VOTE ON THIS SO JOHN CAN GO TO THE BOARD OF EDUCATION MEETING.
YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT, KEN.
THE NEXT CENTRAL PARK DANCE MARIA, SHE'S READY.
SO YOU COULD TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE, UH, HOPING TO DO.
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AND I DID SEND A GUIDELINES SAY NINE, AND ALSO EVERYTHING I'M NOT GETTING IS WHAT IS IT THAT YOU NEED FROM THE BOARD THAT THE JOHN BOARD CAN GIVE YOU? OKAY.IS IT STEVE? IS STEVE HERE? BECAUSE HE, UM, HE HAD SOME CONCERNS AND, UH, HE'S NOT HERE.
WHY AREN'T THEY WORKED OUT BEFORE IT GOT TO
HE SAID HE WOULD DO IT IF THE, YOU KNOW, TOWN BOARD LOCATED IT.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A CODE THAT THE BUILDING INSPECTOR IS SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW YOU, AND IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THE TOWN BOARD, JUST DECIDING WHAT APPLIES WITH THE CODE AND WHAT DOESN'T.
BUT I SENT AN EMAIL, MAIL AMONG OURSELVES AS TO, I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE SEEKING.
UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO LET, OKAY.
SO I REALLY WAS, I DIDN'T, I JUST WANTED TO BE HONEST WITH IT.
JUST NOT ANYTHING HAPPENED DAY THAT, I DUNNO, YOU KNOW, LIKE, I JUST WANTED
WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO, UM, CALL STEVE NOW? THERE SOME KIND OF A LAYOUT.
IS THERE, IS THERE SOME KIND SKETCH PLAN AS TO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? I, WHAT STEVE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT
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WAS THAT HE'S, HE'S THINKING, SO WE HAVE TWO 50 TICKETS SEAT.HE WAS THINKING THAT TWO 50 CARS.
AND I THINK WHAT HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IS THAT IT'S AN AVERAGE.
WHERE YOU, I'M SORRY, PATRICIA, JUST LET ME JUST ASK THIS ONE QUICK QUESTION.
SO MARIA, SO YOU HAVE AMPLE PARKING BEHIND YOUR STUDIO, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING, RIGHT? YES.
NO, NO, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, MOST OF THE STOREFRONTS, AS SHE SAID IN THE MALL, ARE CLOSED.
SO THE, AND THE, THE GREENBURG NATURE CENTER IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO US.
THEY TEND TO USE OUR PARKING LOT AS THEIR OVERFLOW PARKING MM-HMM.
I MEAN, AND THERE'S TONS OF PARKING IN THE BACK WHERE WE'RE PLANNING TO PUT THE STAGE, BUT THE STAGE IS ACTUALLY A VERY SMALL PORTION OF THAT, PLUS ALL THE PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND DOWN THE HILL AND AROUND THE SIDE.
THAT, THAT MAKES, SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR STEVE, I DON'T, I'M, I GUESS I'M STILL, I'M TRYING TO THINK.
I WAS SITTING, IT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT, IT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT PERFORMANCE.
I'M, I'M LOOKING FORWARD AND I'M, I'M SURE YOUR STUDENTS ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO, TO GET OUT AND, AND, AND BE AMONGST, UM, AN AUDIENCE.
I GUESS WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, STEVE, ONCE STEVE, OUR, OUR, UM, DEPARTMENT HEAD COMES ON, WE WANNA KNOW WHAT HIS CONCERNS ARE.
'CAUSE I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, AND JUST LIKE FRANCIS, I WAS LIKE, THIS SOUNDS GREAT, BUT WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US
SO WE DO APPRECIATE YOU CALLING US AND LETTING US KNOW THAT, UM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THIS PERFORMANCE.
BUT WE WOULD JUST LIKE, THEY WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT ONCE STEVE COMES ON, LET'S HEAR WHAT HIS CONCERNS ARE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I, I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE AN ISSUE, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE WITHIN OUR CODE.
YOU KNOW, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T V WE DON'T HAVE ANY VIOLATIONS.
SO LET'S, SO LET'S HEAR FROM HIM ONCE HE TURN, ONCE HE COMES ON.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AWESOME.
ONE OTHER THING I THINK COULD BE IMPORTANT TO MENTION, I'M SO SORRY.
UM, IS THAT THE, THE STAGING COMPANY IS A VETTED, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BUILDING THE STAGE ARE VETTED, CO REPUTABLE COMPANY THAT COMES IN WITH EVERYTHING FROM SOUP TO NUTS.
UM, THEY ALSO, THE TENT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT SOMETHING WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, PUTTING UP OR HIRING A TED COMPANY TO COME.
AND, UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS THE PERFORMANCE AND THE, AS MARIA SAID, THE, THE TECHNICAL SIDE, WE HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, UM, LEAD TD FROM SUNY PURCHASE IS GONNA BE THERE.
SO EVERY ASPECT, AND THE SECURITY TEAM IS A REPUTABLE SECURITY TEAM.
EVERY ASPECT OUR, OUR PROFESSIONALS NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, US THROWING, THE ONLY OTHER THING, THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD HAVE, AND I'M NOT, AND I WOULD, AGAIN, I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO, TO, UM, OUR BUILDING, UM, DEPARTMENT HEAD THE CERTIFICATE OF INSURANCE.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT SUB THAT COMES OUT OF ME.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS HAVE YEP.
THEN I, I MEAN, FOR, FOR ME, RIGHT NOW, UNTIL WE TALK, UNTIL WE TALK TO, UM, OUR, OUR PERSON STEVE FOR RETTA FROM BUILDINGS, I THINK THAT'S WHAT, AS LONG AS WE HAVE CERTIFICATE OF INSURANCE AND EVERYBODY IS SAFE, AND THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, I, I I, I, I THINK IT'S GREAT.
WE WERE ALL WAITING FOR, WE'RE ALL WAITING, YOU KNOW, TO GET THE INVITATIONS.
SO OUTSIDE WE GONNA HAVE YOU'RE END.
'CAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA PROLONG, I DON'T WANNA PROLONG.
I DON'T SEE, JUST CALL AGAIN, GET THE ANSWER FROM STEVE AND THEN, AND THEN RE AND THEN RESPOND.
I'D RATHER, I'D RATHER GET THIS.
I GUESS THE HOLIDAY STUDENT, THE HOLIDAY KIND OF MESSED ME UP.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE THE DANCE COMPANY ON THE LINE.
UH, WE HAVE MARIA AND PATRICIA, UH, AND MARIA, I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW YOUR PARTNER'S NAME, SO I JUST WANNA, YOU KNOW,
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AND MARIT, SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE INCLUDE YOU AS WELL.SO, UM, IT WAS EXPRESSED THAT YOU HAD SOME CONCERNS WITH THE EVENT.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU ON WHAT YOUR CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE CENTRAL PARK DID.
I HAVE A LOT OF CON I DO HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE EVENT.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE GOING IN AND OUTTA THERE.
WELL, I THINK THAT THEY'RE, WERE SAYING THERE'S 300 PEOPLE, UM, AT EACH EVENT.
UM, AND PARKING WOULD, WOULD BE AN ISSUE.
TRAFFIC CONTROL ON, ON CENTRAL AVENUE WOULD BE AN ISSUE.
THAT'S MY, ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS IS PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUTTA THERE AND NOT HAVING THE PROPER TRAFFIC CONTROL.
PLUS, I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER DONE AN EVENT LIKE THIS, UM, ON, UH, IT'S A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, BUT ON A PRIVATE PROPERTY ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
IS IT FOR THIS SAFETY CONCERN? I, I HAD A QUESTION.
WOULD, UH, WOULD, UH, YOU BE WILLING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, HIRE A, A POLICE OFFICER? YEAH.
WHO WOULD, WHO WOULD, UH, ADDRESS, UH, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC? BECAUSE WE'VE HAD EVENTS AT THE GREENBURG NATURE CENTER WITH HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALL ATTENDED, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, JUST RIGHT NEXT DOOR AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE HAVING IT.
SO I SORT OF FEEL THAT IF, IF THEY HAD, IF THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO COORDINATE, SAY, WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, UM, AND THE POLICE WOULD SIGN OFF ON, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SAFETY INITIATIVE, THEN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THEY'RE DOING OR WHAT THE NATURE CENTER HAS DONE.
WELL, THEN WE MIGHT AS WELL THROW OUR CODE OUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A COMPARISON TO, YOU KNOW, A SINGLE EVENT OR, UH, AT THE NATURE CENTER TO OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
STEVE, I, I, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS BEFORE US AT A TOWN BOARD WORK SESSION, WHEN IT'S REALLY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WHO, WHO YOU SHOULD TRY TO ACCOMMODATE AND, AND IS CONCERNED.
STEVE, IS THIS, IS THIS, UH, ZONED FOR THIS TYPE OF OUTDOOR EVENT INSPECTOR? NO.
SO HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU APPROVE IT? I CAN'T.
SO HOW DOES THE TOWN BOARD APPROVE IT? LOOK, I, I, I WENT, I DIDN'T, I WENT, I ASKED THESE PEOPLE TO GET IN CONTACT WITH PAUL TO SEE IF THEY CAN FIND ANOTHER LOCATION TO HAVE THEIR EVENT.
I DON'T SEE, WELL, YOU, I DON'T SEE A PATH, I DON'T SEE A PATH IN THE ZONING ORDINANCES THAT I CAN ALLOW THIS TO OCCUR.
CAN I EXPLAIN? I, YOU CAME ON LEAP AND SO I COULDN'T GET TO EXPLAIN STEVE.
I JUST WANNA EXPLAIN THAT WE'VE DONE IT.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT I SAID THIS BEFORE.
WE, FIRST OF ALL, OUR NUMBERS ARE DEFINITELY HALF THE PEOPLE BECAUSE OF COVID.
YOU, THE HOME MALL IS ABOUT TO BE GONE.
THERE'S LIKE TWO OTHER STORES BESIDES US ALIVE TO THE RIGHT OF US, NO STORES.
AND YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO CROSS THE STREET.
YOU WON'T EVEN NEED THAT PARKING.
BUT, SO THE WAY WE DESIGNED THIS, AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR SO LONG WITH LIKE DOUBLE AND DOUBLE AND A HALF IN A THEATER THAT WE TRIED, HEY, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? I KEEP SAYING YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR SO LONG.
HAVE YOU BEEN DOING IT OUTSIDE FOR SO LONG? OR INSIDE? OKAY, SO WE DID TWO PERFORMANCES ALREADY OUTDOORS.
THAT'S WHY I FEEL SO, AND WHEN DID, WHEN DID YOU DO THOSE PERFORMANCES IN THE FALL AND THEN IN APRIL, AND HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE AT THEM? 250.
AND IF YOU WANT US TO CAP IT AT TWO, AND THEN I WAS JUST TALKING TO ONE OF MY MOMS AND SHE SAID, AND WHEN YOU, CAN I JUST ASK YOU, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU HAD THESE PERFORMANCES, UM, HOW WAS THE TRAFFIC REGULATED? THERE WAS NO TRAFFIC BECAUSE, AND YOU NEED, YOU NEED TO ASK WHERE OR DID THEY HAPPEN? WHERE DID YOU HAVE HIS PERFORMANCES? IN THE BACK PARKING LOT, IN THE SAME PARKING LOT WHERE YOU HAVE SAME AREA? YES, IT'S OKAY.
AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH PARKING OR TRAFFIC? I HERE THAT COULD TELL YOU
SO DID YOU ASK PERMIT? HOW DID YOU DO A, UH, DID YOU REACH OUT TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR BEFORE FOR THAT OR YOU JUST DID IT? NO, I LEFT MESSAGES AT THE POLICE STATION AND THE TOWN HALL, UM MM-HMM.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, I, NO ONE GOT BACK TO ME.
WE HAD, IT WENT EXTREMELY SMOOTHLY.
SO STEVE, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS, SO OUR FIRST SHOW, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THESE ARE FOUR YEAR OLDS TO 17 YEAR OLDS, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ALL ADULTS AND TEENAGERS.
AND SO THE PARENTS WE HAVE IS, IS THE ALL OF GREENBERG FAMILY.
AND THEY COULDN'T BE MORE RESPECTFUL AND CONSIDERATE.
AND OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE OUT FOR SAFETY OF THEIR KIDS.
WE ACTUALLY, THEY MUST VOLUNTEER FOR THEIR KIDS.
SO WHAT HA LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, OUR FIRST SHOW IS AT NINE O'CLOCK.
THERE'S ONLY 40 KIDS IN THAT SHOW.
SO HOW MANY CARS WOULD COME FOR 40? IT'S A PRIVATE EVENT.
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MAYBE AN AVERAGE OF TWO CARS.WE ALREADY ASKED THEM FOR THE LAST SHOW TO BRING AS, AS LITTLE CARS AS POSSIBLE.
WE SAID THERE'S, YOU KNOW, PLEASE BE, UM, CONSIDERATE OF THE PARKING.
AND WE HAD LEFTOVER PARKING BECAUSE THEY DO LISTEN TO US.
WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WITH THEM.
SO LET'S SAY THAT SHOW IS AT NINE O'CLOCK.
THE NEXT SHOW DOESN'T START AT 1130.
THERE'S NO, WHO'S RUSHING INTO EVERYTHING WAS DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS REASON.
SO AT 11 O'CLOCK, SO AT NINE 30, AND WE KNOW THEY'RE GONNA BE GONE BY 10 15, WE'RE GIVING THEM 45 MINUTES TO LEAVE.
OUR, WE CAN DO IN THE FRONT 200 CARS.
THAT'S NOT EVEN COUNTING THE BACK.
SO NOW THAT NEXT SHOW DOESN'T COME TILL 11 O'CLOCK.
WE HAVE 45 MINUTES AND WE HAVE OUR FACILITY, WE HAVE THREE STORES HERE.
AND OUR KIDS, THEY WILL WAIT HERE.
THEY WILL CHANGE IT, IT KEEPS IT SUCH AN ORGANIZED AND SAFE ENVIRONMENT.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE SO MUCH STAFF HIRED FOR THIS.
SO NOW AT 1130, IT'S ANOTHER SHOW OF PRESCHOOLERS.
MOST OF OUR SHOWS THAT WE HAVE ARE FOUR YEAR OLDS, SIX YEAR OLDS, EIGHT YEAR OLDS, 10 YEAR OLDS.
WE JUST HAVE TWO SHOWS AT THE END OF THE NIGHT THAT HAVE LIKE 12 YEAR OLDS TO 17 YEAR OLDS.
AND MOST PEOPLE DON'T, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T COME TO THAT BECAUSE THEY LIKE TO COME MORE WHEN THE KIDS ARE YOUNGER.
AS THEY GET OLDER, THEY DON'T COME.
AND EACH SHOW IS DESIGNED FOR THIS REASON SO THAT THEY'RE IN, IT'S 35 MINUTES AND THEY'RE OUT.
AND I'LL HIRE AS MANY POLICE PEOPLE AS I NEED ALONG WITH THE SECURITY TEAM THAT'S ALREADY THERE AND PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE WORKING.
YOU KNOW, THE REST OF THE, OF THE PERFORMANCE ASPECTS.
YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THOUGHT THAT I HAD IS THERE'S SO MANY VACANCIES ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
AVENUE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE, I MEAN, IT'S
SO YOU'RE HAVING LESS PARKING, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, UH, AND LESS TRAFFIC ON CENTRAL AVENUE BECAUSE NOBODY'S GOING TO THE STORES.
SO IF YOU ADD UP, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NUMBER OF, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE DRIVING IT IS NOT GONNA BE MUCH, MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE.
YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR THE GOVERNOR SAID BECAUSE OF COVID, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF COVID TOWN SUPERVISORS HAVE THE ABILITY OF, UM, BENDING LIKE THE ZONING LAWS TEMPORARILY WITH EXECUTIVE ORDERS.
UM, I'M SORT OF WONDERING IF, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST THROWING OUT BECAUSE I KNOW THE BOARD FEELS VERY STRONGLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE ZONING LAWS AND, UH, THERE'S NO TIME TO CHANGE A ZONING LAW.
UM, BETWEEN NOW AND, YOU KNOW, TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, IS THERE STILL AUTHOR, YOU KNOW, IF THE, ASSUMING THE BOARD WOULD CONSENT, IS THERE AUTHORITY FOR THE TOWN SUPERVISOR TO DO AN EXECUTIVE ORDER ON THIS BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND BASIS ON, ON COVID? WELL, THE, THE OTHER QUESTION, PART OF THE ECONOMICS, AND I'M NOT SAYING I WOULD DO IT ON MY OWN.
I'M SAYING IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS FROM THE TOWN BOARD AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNOR LAST YEAR DID SAY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE THE ABILITY OF, UM, TEMPORARILY LIKE ON BECAUSE OF COVID, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MAKING EXCEPTIONS ON.
AND THIS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, DESIGNED TO HELP, YOU KNOW, LOCAL, A LOCAL BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, SURVIVE.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I FEEL THAT, OKAY, SO WAIT A MINUTE.
I JUST WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION OF STEVE.
STEVE, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO ISSUE A, A SPECIAL PERMIT THAT DUE TO COVID AND, AND UNDER CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS, O O ONLY PAUL CAN DO THAT? IF PAUL DOES IT, THEN, THEN WE CAN PUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PUT SOME CONDITIONS.
WE, WE DEFINITELY WANT THE POLICE TO BE THERE, UH, TO BE, UH, DEALING WITH THE TRAFFIC ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
BUT THEY WERE WILLING, THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THAT.
THE, THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT IS TO PULL IT, TO GIVE THE EXECUTIVE ORDER THE WAY I SEE IT.
'CAUSE I DON'T SEE ANY MECHANISM IN THE CODE.
LET ME ASK, WHAT IF WE DID, WHAT IF WE DID SAY AN EXECUTIVE, WAIT, WAIT, TIM, WAIT, WAIT, TIM, CAN PAUL DO IT? YES.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT'S AN EMERGENCY ORDER THAT'S DESIGNED TO ADDRESS THE SPREAD OF, OF THE CORONAVIRUS, RIGHT? SO THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOME CONNECTION WITHIN THAT, IN THAT ORDER, WHICH SUGGEST THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
BUT YES, THERE IS FLEXIBILITY.
SO ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE DO NOT WANT TO GO TO ANOTHER OUTSIDE LOCATION IS BECAUSE
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WE DO FEEL LIKE IT'S, IN ORDER TO PUT CHILDREN IN A SAFE SPACE WHILE THEY'RE WAITING TO GO ON STAGE, WE ARE INCREASING THEIR RISK AND THEIR EXPOSURE BY BEING IN A TENT.THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN USE OUR FACILITIES, WE KNOW THAT WE CAN DISTANCE THEM.
WE HAVE THE SPACE TO DO THAT, THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME STUDENTS INSIDE WHILE SOME STUDENTS ARE OUTSIDE.
WE FEEL CONFIDENT ABOUT OUR ABILITY TO DO THAT IF WE'RE PUSHED INTO ANOTHER OUT AND, AND BEING INSIDE IS O OBVIOUSLY OUTTA THE QUESTION.
BUT IF WE'RE PUSHED INTO ANOTHER OUTSIDE LO LOCATION, IT MAKES IT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT FOR US TO FEEL CONFIDENT AND FOR OUR FAMILIES TO FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN.
LET ME ASK, UH, CAPTAIN VALENTINE, UH, YOU'RE HERE.
UH, DO YOU THINK THAT, UM, YOU COULD WORK, UM, WITH, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, THIS ORGANIZATION AND COME UP WITH A, A SAFETY PLAN THAT WOULD ADDRESS, UM, UH, STEVE'S, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC AND SAFETY CONCERNS? YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD PAY FOR IT.
UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, I WOULD SAY, I'M ASSUMING THAT I'M NOT, I DON'T WANNA SAY I'M JUST ISSUING DIRECTIVES AGAINST THE TOWN BOARD'S POLICY, BUT ASSUMING THE TOWN BOARD BASICALLY WOULD GO ALONG WITH THIS AS AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, AND I'M, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, THE STUDIO WOULD, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH, UM, WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, COULD YOU COME UP WITH LIKE A PLAN, A SAFETY PLAN AND DECIDE HOW MANY OFFICERS THEY NEED, UH, YOU KNOW, TO HIRE.
AND, UM, AND THEN WE COULD ALSO EVEN PUT A PROVISION THAT IF AFTER LIKE ONE DAM, YOU KNOW, SHOW OR TWO DAMN SHOWS, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FEELS THAT IT'S NOT SAFE, THEN WE COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE COULD SHUT IT DOWN IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY.
UM, AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, THEN WE COULD SAY, LISTEN, YOU KNOW, WE GAVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY AND YOU BLEW IT, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, ON THE MATTER OF SAFETY, WE'RE NOT GONNA CONTINUE.
AND THEN THE, YOU KNOW, I'LL GET THE FOUR YEAR OLDS TO PICK AT YOUR OFFICE.
WE COULD, UH, WORK WITH THEM TO COME UP WITH A PLAN SO THAT, SO, SO WHY DON'T WE, MY FAILING IS THAT THE, THE EASIEST WAY OF, YOU KNOW, MAKING THIS, YOU KNOW, HAPPEN WOULD BE, UM, IF THE BOARD'S OKAY, I COULD ISSUE AN EXECUTIVE ORDER.
IT'S ONLY FOR, YOU KNOW, THE SHORT PERIOD OF TIME THEY CAN MOVE AHEAD.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET, UH, THEY WOULD'VE TO WORK WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
YOU COULD TELL THEM EXACTLY HOW MANY OFFICERS YOU NEED AHEAD, WORK OUT A PLAN, AND THEN, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HAVE A CAVEAT THAT IF IT DOESN'T WORK AFTER A COUPLE PERFORMANCES OR ONE, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO, UH, SAY WE'RE SHUTTING IT DOWN.
WHICH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK'S GONNA HAPPEN, BUT THIS WAY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I I ALSO FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHEN I GO ON CENTRAL AVENUE AND I SEE EVERY SINGLE STORE, ALMOST VA BUS BUSINESS, EVERY SINGLE BUSINESS IS, HAS VACANCIES.
UM, YOU KNOW, I REALIZE WE HIRED AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WE DON'T NEED TO, WE DON'T NEED TO GO DOWN THIS ROAD NECESSARILY.
SO THEN WE'RE, SO THEN, THEN WE'RE GOOD.
LOOK, YOU HAVE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT VACCINATED YET, SO THEY NEED TO BE PROTECTED.
SO THERE'S A, WE WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE THAT, THAT LEGISLATION.
SO THEN EVERYTHING'S OKAY, I GUESS.
UH, ARE THEY GONNA BE AMPLIFYING DEVICES OUTDOORS? YES.
SO, UH, WE'VE WORKED WITH, UH, ALTMAN SOUND, UM, THROUGH OUR, THROUGH THE, UM, TD THE TECHNICAL DIRECTOR AT SUNY PURCHASE TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT THE SOUND IS EVENLY DISTRIBUTED SO IT'S NOT SUPER LOUD AND THE AUDIENCE CAN HEAR IT, BUT THEY'LL, THEY'LL BE DOING SOUND CHECKS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS NOT TOO LOUD.
ONCE THE CLOSEST, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO THIS, I, I DON'T KNOW THE FEE.
IT'S, IT IS, UM, THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE, THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT'S NEXT DOOR.
UM, BUT IT'S VERY FAR AWAY AND WE'VE SET OUR STAGE AS FAR AWAY FROM THAT AS POSSIBLE.
AND THEN, AND THE
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE COULD SURVIVE SINCE WE GOT BACK INTO BUSINESS.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. WE GO TO PEOPLE'S HOUSES TO ACCOMMODATE THEM.
WE HAVEN'T, WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DOING CLASSES OUTSIDE, WE'RE PRACTICALLY IN THE NATURE CENTER JUST SO WE DON'T, YOU KNOW,
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DISTRACT, YOU KNOW, DO ANY NOISE.AND WE HAVE CLASSES INSIDE PLUS VIRTUAL.
I MEAN, I MEAN, YOU CAN IMAGINE TO STAY ALIVE WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
UM, AND WE, WE LITERALLY HAD TO REFUND EVERYBODY'S MONEY LAST YEAR AND NO ONE COULD DO THE RECITAL.
SO THIS IS THE KIDS, I MEAN, THE KIDS ARE JUST, AND THE PARENTS, THEY'RE JUST SO HAPPY TO DO THIS.
BUT WE, BUT JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE REALLY HAVE ALREADY THOUGHT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT THE NOISE WILL AFFECT.
AND WE'VE MADE SURE THAT THE SPEAKERS ARE NOT JUST TWO SPEAKERS POINTING ONE DIRECTION, BLASTING MUSIC OUT, BUT THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, MORE OF A SURROUND SO THAT IT REALLY KEEPS IT COM COMPACT AND JUST IN THE AUDIENCE AND NOT OUT TO OUR NEIGHBORS.
UH, HI
UM, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE OUT, YOU KNOW, YOU SAY YOU'RE GONNA BE RESERVING SPOTS FOR THE NAIL SALON AND, AND THE OTHER STORE.
WHERE ARE THOSE GOING TO BE LOCATED? YEAH, WE'RE BASICALLY GOING BY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS.
WE, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA BRING THIS PERSON IN.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE NOTHING
NOW IF YOU DO AN EXECUTIVE ORDER SAYING THAT IN ORDER TO DECREASE THE RISK OF COVID, WE NEED TO ALLOW THIS PERFORMANCE BRINGING ALL OF THESE PEOPLE TOGETHER IN ONE SPOT TOGETHER.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF YOU CAN SELL THAT, THEN YOU KNOW, THE SUPERVISOR SAID HE IS WILLING TO SIGN AN EXECUTIVE ORDER STATING THAT.
BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO PUT THAT THERE'S ONLY SOMETHING MORE THAT WE HAVE THAT'S IN DOCUMENTATION.
BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS THIS WILL BE A PRECEDENT.
WHATEVER WE DO WILL BE A PRECEDENT AND YOU WILL BE BACK LATER ON AFTER COVID IS AWAY AND SAID, WASN'T IT A GREAT IDEA? WE BROUGHT THIS MANY PEOPLE AND WE DID IT SUCCESS SUCCESSFULLY.
SO WHY DO WE NEED THE ZONING CODE? RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO BE GUARD FULL.
I I'M NOT, I'M NOT FIGHTING YOU, I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT IT'S, THAT'S WHY I CAME TO YOU.
IT'S SHOCKING TO ME THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING THROUGH AND TRYING TO DRAW THIS OUT AT A TOWN BOARD WORK SESSION AS OPPOSED TO BEING WORKED OUT IN ADVANCE.
WE'RE HAPPY TO DRAW UP WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE US TO DRAW UP THOUGH.
I MEAN, WE ARE, IF YOU'D LIKE IT SPELLED OUT IN A, IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT ANYBODY WANTED.
SO WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT HOWEVER YOU'D LIKE US TO DO IT.
AND, AND FRAN FRANCIS, THAT'S FAIR, THAT'S FAIR.
I DIDN'T WANNA BASICALLY SAY, GO AHEAD.
UM, WITHOUT THE TOWN BOARD'S INPUT AND, UM, AND INVOLVEMENT.
BECAUSE IF THERE'S A, IF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR SAID THERE'S A ZONING ISSUE, EVEN IF I HAD THE ABILITY OF DOING AN EXECUTIVE ORDER, IT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO THE TOWN BOARD FOR ME TO ACT UNILATERALLY.
SO I, I THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR CONSENSUS IN, IN, IN REGARDS TO LIKE THE PRECEDENT, UM, YOU KNOW, SETTING, YOU KNOW, NATURE OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
YOU KNOW, MY FEELING IS THAT THERE'S SO MANY PROBLEMS THAT SMALL BUSINESSES ARE HAVING RIGHT NOW, AND WE HAVE TO, IN MY OPINION, WE HAVE TO, UH, IF WE WANT TO KEEP SOME OF THE BUSINESSES AROUND, UM, AND HELP THEM SURVIVE, WE MIGHT HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, WHAT OUR CURRENT POLICIES ARE AND MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS.
BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, WE COULD HAVE EVERY STORE FUND IN GREENBURG EMPTY.
AND, AND TO ME, IF WE TEST THIS OUT AND ARE SUCCESSFUL, UM, AND THE, THE DANCE, FIRST OF ALL, THIS DANCE, YOU KNOW, THEY DO A GREAT JOB.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE, THEY'VE, THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF YEARS.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND PARENTS WHO REALLY, UH, LOVE SEEING THEIR, UH, THEIR CHILDREN, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, PERFORM.
AND THEY GET SO MUCH PLEASURE OUT OF THIS.
SO I, I SORT OF FEEL THAT THIS IS NOT ONLY FOR THEM, BUT IT'S ALSO COMMUNITY SERVICE BECAUSE THE PARENTS ARE GONNA GET SO MUCH JOY.
THE GRANDPARENTS ARE GONNA GET JOY.
THE KIDS ARE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, THRILLED.
AND THAT SORT OF MAKES A COMMUNITY,
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YOU KNOW, BETTER.AND MAYBE THOSE GO TO A DELI, MAYBE THEY'LL, UH, BUY SOME BAGELS AND, UH, HELP SOME OF THE OTHER SHOPS.
SO THIS IS A GOOD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, INITIATIVE, YOU KNOW, AS WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M REALLY, YOU KNOW, I'M WILLING TO GIVE IT A TRY.
AND THE WORST THING IS IF IT'S NOT, IF THERE'S PROBLEMS THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TRIED AND WE, IT DIDN'T WORK.
BUT IF IT DOES TRY, IF IT WORKS, NICE.
UH, YOU REMEMBER OVER 30 YEARS AGO, WE DID THE SAME EVENT FOR THE BRAIN TUMOR RIGHT HERE.
WE DONATE A LOT OF MONEY TO THE COMMUNITY FROM THAT EVENT.
REMEMBER THAT EVENT? I DO REMEMBER THAT.
SO WE ARE VERY, VERY TOGETHER.
WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR MANY YEARS.
ALL THE COMMUNITY, OUR REPUTATION, WE'RE NOT GONNA LOSE ANYTHING OUT OF IT BECAUSE OUR REPUTATION IS NUMBER ONE.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT? WE STAND FOR IT.
IT TAKE AS MANY POLICE AS YOU WANT US TO HIRE SECURITY THAT WE HAVE ALREADY, WHATEVER IT TAKE.
SECURITY IS A VERY IMPORTANT TO US, BUT WE'LL DO WHATEVER IT TAKE, TELL US.
SO I WOULD GET, YEAH, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DO WHATEVER YOU SAY, WHATEVER NEEDED TO KEEP THIS SHOW GOING ON.
THIS SHOW MUST GO ON AS YOU SAID, BUT WE GONNA DO IT HERE.
SMALLER, BIGGER, HOW WE DO IT.
DO WE RESOLVE THIS? WELL, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA WORK IT AS, AS FOR ME, THEY NEED TO WORK WITH THE BILLING DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, LOT OF PROTOCOLS.
AND, UH, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND CONSERVATION.
UH, SEE WHAT IT IS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE IN AN EXECUTIVE ORDER.
WHAT IS IT THAT'S BEING WAIVED, UH, IF SOMETHING'S BEING WAIVED, UH, TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S, IT'S FEASIBLE.
AND THEN IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE SIGNING IT, YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN, UH, STATE, UH, STATING THAT THIS IS COVID RELATED.
UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S UP TO YOU.
MARIA, JUST REPEAT THE DATE OF THE EVENT AGAIN, I'M SORRY.
OR THE, THE WEEK OF THE EVENT.
SO, SO, SO YOU'D HAVE TO ACTUALLY SET UP A TIME TO, UM, MEET WITH, UH, THE CAPTAIN LIKE TOMORROW BECAUSE WE HAVE TO, WE REALLY HAVE TO WORK OUT THE DETAILS.
SO WHO IS THE CAPTAIN? IS THAT THAT YOU'RE SAYING WE, PAUL, ARE YOU PART OF THIS CLAIMANT? CAPTAIN VALENTINE PUT HIS, UM, EMAIL ADDRESS IN THE CHAT.
SO WE'RE HAVING DANCING IN THE STREETS OF GREENBURG.
AND MARIA, MARIA AND MARIA AND PATRICIA, THIS IS JUDITH WITH THE GREENBERG TOWN CLERK.
UM, I WOULD ALSO, UM, HAVE TO, UH, WORK WITH YOU AROUND A NOISE ORDINANCE WAIVER.
AND, UM, SO TOMORROW, UH, IF YOU, IF YOU CAN SHARE YOUR EMAIL WITH ME, I WILL SET UP A ZOOM MEETING WITH YOU.
UH, GARRETT DUANE, WHO IS THE COMMISSIONER OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND CONSERVATION, STEVE RETA.
AND, UM, YOU CAN WORK DIRECTLY WITH, UM, CAPTAIN VALENTINE SINCE HE'S ALREADY SENT YOU HIS EMAIL.
AND, UM, WE WILL WORK WITH YOU IN DEVELOPING, IN, IN, IN LOOKING AT WHAT THE BOARD MEMBERS WOULD LIKE FOR THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS TO LOOK AT AND, UM, AND DEVELOPING A PLAN.
SO I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT, I DON'T MEAN INTERRUPT, BUT GARRETT'S ON VACATION INFORMATION.
YEAH, WE'LL GET AARON INVOLVED AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT REALLY NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED.
STEVE, THIS IS, UH, JERRY BYRNE.
YEAH, I, I JUST WANNA TELL YOU THAT THE PLACE WHERE I UNDERSTAND THE SHOW'S GONNA TAKE PRICE IS ON THE UPPER PARKING LOT, THAT PARKING LOT BORDERS, UH, ALONG WITH THE TOWN PARK PROPERTY ALL THE WAY AROUND, WHICH IS A BUFFERED ZONE, THAT'S ALL.
IT'S BASICALLY WOODED AREA BEFORE WE GET TO THE, UH, BUTTERFLY FIELD.
SO IF WE NEED TO, UM, I, I, I THINK IF YOU WANT, WE CAN TALK TO ALEX DUNN, THE NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
UM, 'CAUSE THEY HAVE DONE OVERFLOW PARKING IN THAT SPOT WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE.
WHEN WE'VE HAD SPECIAL EVENTS WHERE IN THE PARK IN THE PAST AT TIMES, UH, WE HAVE NEIGHBORS NEARBY TOO.
WE'VE HAD LIVE PERFORMANCES, UH, ON THE, UH, STAGE BY THE MANOR HOUSE.
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A PRECEDENT IN THE PAST FOR, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'VE KEPT THE, UH, NOISE LEVEL DOWN TO A REASONABLE LEVEL.AND, UH, I'VE NEVER GOT COMPLAINTS.
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING I CAN DO TO ASSIST, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, INCLUDE ME ON THAT.
AND THEN, AND IF WE NEED THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR MAYBE OVERFLOW PARKING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING THAT DAY, BUT MAYBE SOME SPACES CAN BE SET ASIDE IN CASE YOU NEED IT.
I YOU DO OVERFLOW PARKING FOR THE NATURE CENTER? YES, THEY DO IN TEST.
THE SPOT WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PERFORMING IS WHERE THEY'VE HAD OVERFLOW PARKING IN THE PAST.
WELL, EXCUSE ME, FOR THE NATURE CENTER IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
BECAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT TO DOCUMENT BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE USING TOWN FACILITIES FOR A COMMERCIAL EVENT.
AND THE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
BUT IF, IF IT'S A RECIPROCAL AGREEMENT THAT WE, WE ARE DOING THAT, THEN THAT MAKES IT, UM, MORE TOLERABLE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO SHARE THAT.
BUT THIS IS ALSO LIKE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO ALSO HELP THE NATURE CENTER BECAUSE THE MORE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE PARKING THERE, IT GIVES THE NATURE CENTER SOME EXPOSURE AND SOME, UH, SOME GOODWILL.
AND MAYBE THEY'LL GET SOME, YOU KNOW, MORE VOLUNTEERS AND, AND COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR, FOR THEIR EFFORTS BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S BEEN BASICALLY PRETTY MUCH SHUT DOWN FOR A YEAR.
SO THEY, EVERYBODY HAS TO REBUILD, UM, THEIR, UM, THEIR ACTIVISTS ACTIVIST, YOU KNOW, BASE.
BUT I THINK THIS IS REALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, REALLY GREAT AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE APPRECIATE YOUR BUSINESS AND UH, YOU KNOW, WE HOPE THAT YOU'LL, UH, UH, BE ONE OF THE MORE SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSES AND HELP OTHER, OTHER BUSINESSES, UM, UH, SURVIVE.
AND THIS ALSO SENDS A POSITIVE MESSAGE BECAUSE IF BUSINESSES IN THE COMMUNITY FEEL THAT THE TOWN IS GOING OVERBOARD TO HELP THEM SURVIVE DURING THIS PANDEMIC AND POST PANDEMIC OTHER BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT, UH, RENTING STORE FUNDS, THEY MIGHT BE MORE RECEPTIVE BECAUSE THEY WANNA FEEL THAT THE TOWN IS GONNA BE HELPING THEM WHEN THEY NEED, WHEN THEY NEED HELP.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE CAN GET A REPUTATION OF BEING BF FOR BUSINESS, YOU CAN HAVE A LOT OF VACANCIES NONSTOP.
SO I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GREAT, YOU KNOW, MESSAGE AND, YOU KNOW, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONSULTANT, YOU COULD HAVE HIM INVOLVED IN, YOU KNOW, IN THIS ALSO.
I'M SORRY, JUST MOVING FORWARD, I WOULD TALK FOR JUDITH TOMORROW.
YOU CAN CALL ME AND OR JUST EMAIL ME J BEVILLE@GREENBERGNY.COM.
UM, UH, YOU, I BELIEVE WE'VE COMMUNICATED BACK AND FORTH, UM, IN, IN THE PAST.
AND, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL COORDINATE THIS EFFORT FOR YOU.
WE READY? SPECIAL, THE SPECIAL MEETING.
IS THERE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR ANY OTHER MATTERS THAT'S NOT, NOT EXACTLY WHAT THE EXECUTIVE SESSION IS FOR
I'M ASSUMING THAT PERHAPS THEY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AM I CORRECT OR INCORRECT? WELL, YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
THANK YOU, UM, MAKING THAT MOTION, PAUL.
I MAKE IT WELL LET'S, LET'S JUST MAKE IT, IT'S UH, FOR TO GET ATTORNEY CLIENT UPDATES ON OUTSTANDING LITIGATION ISSUES AND PERSONNEL MATTERS INVOLVING CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS.
AND, UM, YOU'RE MOVING THAT SECOND COLE MOVED IT, YOUR SECOND HE MOVED IT.
AND WE WILL NOT BE COMING BACK THIS EVENING.