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UM, DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL MEETING TO BE HELD VIA ZOOM-ENABLED VIDEO CONFERENCE Agenda THURSDAY, April 22, 2021 – 6:30 P.M. ]
OUR MEETINGS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE QUITE AS MUCH.IT HAS TO BE ATTENDED TO INSTANTANEOUSLY ON THE AGENDA, WHICH SOMETIMES WE DO.
UM, WE, RIGHT NOW WE NEED SHARON TO HAVE A QUORUM.
I THINK I'M GONNA GIVE HER A CALL.
OTHERWISE, WE'RE NOT HAVING A LEGAL MEETING.
CANDACE, WHERE DO YOU LIVE? I LIVE IN ELMSFORD.
I'M FROM, I MEAN, I'M ORIGINALLY FROM ELMSFORD, SO BEEN HERE ALL MY LIFE.
WELL, WELCOME TO WESTCHESTER
I, I'M HERE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, SINCE 1991.
I'LL BE HERE FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
I'LL BE HERE FOR AN HOUR FOR ABOUT AN HOUR, PROBABLY TILL LIKE 7 15, 7 30.
I HAVE TO JUMP ON ANOTHER MEETING AT SEVEN 30.
THAT'S WHAT, OH, THAT'S THE OTHER THING I'M DOING OVER HERE.
I, MY HUSBAND'S GONNA COOK TONIGHT.
WE'RE HOPING YOU'RE GONNA JOIN US FOR THE MEETING.
I'M GONNA CALL YOURSELF, BEAR WITH ME ON THIS, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE'S THE LEGALITY OF HAVING A QUORUM.
CURRENTLY HERE AT ARE DONNA, MARGARET, SHARON, AND MYSELF, AND THEN NANCY.
GEORGE AND LIZ HAVE BEEN INTERVIEWED AND ARE ABOUT TO BE APPOINTED.
CANDACE IS, CANDACE IS, IS GOING TO BE JOINING US FOR PART OF THIS EVENING'S MEETING.
SHE'S INTERESTED PERHAPS JOINING US ON THE CAC C UH, THE TOWN BOARD WOULD LIKE US TO GO BACK UP TO NINE MEMBERS AND WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
SO LONG AS WE SAY THEY FIND US, THE MEMBERS, WERE PERFECTLY HAPPY TO BE AT NINE MEMBERS.
WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH WORK FOR NINE MEMBERS.
SO, UH, THAT, THAT TERRY WILL THE COURT, WILL THE QUORUM STAY THE SAME PERCENTAGE? AND ACTUALLY WE HAD A VERY GOOD SUGGESTION FROM, UM, UH, DIANA
SHE DID THIS WITH THE LIBRARY BOARD.
'CAUSE THE QUORUMS, THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WE CAME DOWN.
QUORUMS GET TO BE DIFFICULT IF YOU DON'T HAVE SLOTS FILLED.
AND SHE HAD PHRASEOLOGY THAT SHE CHANGED FOR THE LIBRARY BOARD.
'CAUSE THEY HAD THIS PROBLEM WHERE, THE WAY IT'S SET UP, IF YOU ONLY HAVE SEVEN PEOPLE, IF YOU SHORT THE PERSON, YOU ADJUST THE QUORUM.
SO YOU SAY IT'S, IT'S, THE MEMBERSHIP IS SEVEN TO NINE RATHER THAN SAYING IT'S NINE.
SO WHEN IT'S SEVEN TO NINE, YOU CAN DROP THE LEGAL QUORUM DOWN.
LIKE, LET'S SAY FOR SOME REASON TWO PEOPLE LEFT.
LIKE WE HAD PETER WHO WAS SO ACTIVE.
AND THEN ONCE PETER GOT VACCINATED, HE WAS, GOODBYE.
I AM GOING TO TRAVEL FOR NEXT YEAR.
I THINK HE MUST HAVE BEEN THERE.
LIKE, THEN HE GOT HIS VACCINATION WITH ALL OF THE, UH, BROCHURES TO GO ON TRIPS.
SO THEN YOU SUDDENLY, LIKE, IT JUST HAPPENS.
SOMETIMES YOU LAND UP WITH HAVING TWO OR THREE SLOTS TO FILL AT ONE TIME.
SO BY WORDING THE REDEFINITION OF THIS SEVEN TO NINE, IF YOU'RE BELOW THE NINE MEMBERS, YOU CAN STILL GET A QUORUM WITH A SMALLER NUMBER, WHICH MAKES LIFE A LOT EASIER.
'CAUSE WE USED TO HAVE TROUBLE WHEN WE WERE LOOKING FOR MEMBERS WHEN WE WERE AT NINE AND WE GET DIFFICULT TO GET THAT QUORUM.
SO, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION, GEORGE.
AND WE'LL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE HOW THAT WORKS OUT.
UM, IT, WE HAVE NOTHING TONIGHT WE HAVE TO REVIEW.
SO SINCE WE DO, I HOPE I WOULD, DID YOU GUYS, I SHOULD MIGHT SEND EVERYONE HIS EGGS TO THE, UM, ANNUAL REPORT.
HE PROBABLY DIDN'T, BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESSES, I THINK WE, YOU'LL HAVE TO OPEN.
I I'M GONNA BE IN HERE PART OF THE TIME, BUT NO, I DIDN'T SEND IT.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
OKAY, I'LL TRY AND BRING IT UP FOR EVERYBODY.
YOU DIDN'T CHANGE A GREAT DEAL, BUT I THINK AARON, AARON, HAVE YOU STARTED RECORDING? YES.
SO THEN WE'RE LEGALLY IN SESSION.
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SO, UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, I HOPE EVERYONE GOT THE MINUTES AND WE NEED TO, WE, UH, PASS THE MEETING MINUTES FOR THE LAST MEETING.UM, AND DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD LET, UH, CANDACE KNOW IS, UM, WELL ONLY THE ONLY REASON DONNA IS STILL DOING THE MINUTES IS 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T, THEY HAVEN'T OFFICIALLY BEEN APPOINTED YET, BUT SHE'S THE BABY
BUT THE LAST ONE IS, THE LAST ONE GETS TO THE MINUTES.
MIKE, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU AND WE CAN'T SEE YOU.
I'M GONNA, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? WE NOW WE CAN TAKE IT AWAY FROM YOUR EAR.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS NEAR RIGHT NOW.
WE JUST, WE JUST SEE THE COLOR AND I GUESS YOU SIDE OF YOUR HEAD.
I WAS JUST SAYING, I, I KNOW IT'S GONNA BRING TEARS TO DONNA'S EYES, BUT THIS MAY BE THE LAST TIME SHE TAKES MINUTES.
I, I, I THINK I, I'M NOT SURE.
CARRIE AND I HAVE TALKED A NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
I, I, I, I THINK, UH, WE'LL HAVE NEW MEMBERS NEXT WEEK.
CAN YOU SEE THE, THE, UM, MY SCREEN? I TRIED SHARING IT WITH THE, UH, YES.
SO HE BASICALLY TOOK, I THINK WHAT I SENT AND I HAD SAID WE ISSUED REPORTS AND HE BROKE IT OUT WITH, UM, THE ACTUAL REPORTS WE SENT.
UM, IF YOU WANNA KIND OF READ THROUGH THIS.
UM, SO THAT, THAT, THAT WAS ONE DIFFERENCE.
HE, HE ACTUALLY SPELLED THEM OUT AS SEPARATE BULLETS.
UM, HE ADDED REGULATIONS FOR LEAF BLOWERS.
UH, WE MET WITH THE COMMISSIONERS OF THE DEPARTMENT, THE PUBLIC WORKS.
AND, AND SHOULDN'T WE SAY THESE ARE PROPOSED? I'M SORRY, SHARON.
SHOULDN'T WE SAY THAT THE WEST HARSDALE AVENUE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY IS PROPOSED AND SO IS THE BATTERY AIR ENERGIES.
WELL SHE, AT THE TIME WE ISSUE REPORTS, EVERYTHING IS PROPOSED AT THE TIME OF THE REPORT.
WELL, THE WETLANDS APPLICATION ISN'T PROPOSED.
ALL RIGHT, I SEE WHAT YOU MEAN.
HE, HE, HE ELABORATED A BIT ON, UM, WHAT WE DID WITH THE BLOWERS, WHICH IS GOOD BECAUSE IT DOESN'T IN ANY WAY.
IT DOESN'T, DIDN'T, DOESN'T IN ANY WAY REFLECT THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WAS SPENT ON THIS.
JUST AS, WHEN WE SAY WORKED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND CONSERVATION DEVELOP WAS WEBSITE INSTRUCTIONS.
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT WAS HALF THE TIME I SPENT THIS YEAR AND WITH MIKE, MIKE AND I MEETING WITH AARON ON THIS IN THE BEGINNING PART OF, UM, 2020 TO GET THE WEBSITE DIRECTIONS DONE.
BUT IT IS OUR ANNUAL REPORT FOR THE YEAR I, THROUGH THE YEARS I'VE TRIED TO KEEP IT TO THAT EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF ONE PAGE SO THAT, UM, WE DON'T HAVE, UH, TOO MUCH.
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IF EVERYONE IS COMFORTABLE WITH THIS OR DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES WITH THIS AS IT'S BEEN EDITED? I, I CAN'T MANIPULATE CAN'T SCROLL IT.IS THAT ME OR YOU? NO, IT'S ME SCROLLING IT.
I CAN SCROLL IT 'CAUSE IT'S ON MY MACHINE.
ARE YOU HAPPY WITH IT OR ANY COMMENTS ON IT? I'M GOOD.
THERE'S JUST A TYPO LOBBIED WHERE IT SAYS LOBBIED.
SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT AND SEND IT ON? SO, SO MOVED.
WE DID A LITTLE BIT BETTER THIS YEAR.
LAST YEAR'S REPORT WENT IN IN, IN, UM, I THINK THE SUMMER
I THINK WHAT I HAVE TO DO IS KEEP A RUNNING LIST DURING THE YEAR WOULD BE THE WAY TO DO IT SO THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE PROBLEMS. UH, WHEN I WAS, WHEN I WOULD, TERRY, I DUNNO IF YOU CAN HEAR ME.
WHEN I WAS CHAIR, WHEN I WAS CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF ETHICS, THAT'S WHAT I DID.
I JUST, I JUST HAD A LITTLE NOTEBOOK SEPARATE AND I KEPT A, A RUNNING LIST AND IT, IT JUST SAVED A LOT OF TIME.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, I SENT YOU AND, AND IT'S A GOOD LEARNING EXERCISE, IS I SENT YOU WHAT WE HAD RECEIVED FROM GARRETT, UH, IN TERMS OF UM, THE BEST BATTERY INDUSTRY STORAGE SYSTEM LAW.
AND I THINK PARTICULARLY FOR NANCY, GEORGE AND LIZ.
THAT'S A GOOD THING TO LOOK AT BECAUSE WHAT YOU CAN SEE THERE IS THE WAY WHEN WE DO CHANGES TO TOWN CODE CODE, IT HAS TO BE DONE.
IN OTHER WORDS, THERE IS AN ACTUAL FORMAL PROCESS THERE WHERE HE FILLS OUT ALL OF THE FORMS. JUST LIKE IF AN APPLICANT WERE COMING IN TO BUILD SOMETHING, HE HAS TO FILL OUT ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THE LAW IS GOING TO AFFECT.
THERE HAS TO BE A NOTIFICATION OF WHO'S GONNA BE THE LEAD AGENCY.
AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO ATTACHED THE ACTUAL LORE.
AND, UH, I'VE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD THE EXCITING PLEASURE OF READING THE LORE.
IT CERTAINLY IS AN INTERESTING, AND I THINK REALLY TO COMPLIMENT THE WHOLE, EVERYONE WHO WORKED ON CRAFTING THIS LORE, 'CAUSE WE WERE GIVEN A RATHER SHORT PERIOD OF TIME TO GET IT TOGETHER.
AND I MUST SAY THE COMMITTEE REALLY WORKED WELL TOGETHER AND GARRETT DID A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, REALLY PULLING TOGETHER OF MATERIALS AND THE LAW.
AND I KNOW MIKE WORKED WITH HIM AND IT WAS A REALLY DIFFICULT THING TO DO BECAUSE WE HAD TROUBLE GETTING INFORMATION.
THIS TECHNOLOGY IS SO NEW AND WE'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF THAT I THINK COMING UP IN THE FUTURE WHERE WE WE'RE WORKING ON THINGS AND WE DON'T HAVE A KNOWLEDGE BASE.
AND YOU KNOW, WE WOULD SIT THERE AND SAY, WELL, WE CAN'T DECIDE THAT 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THIS OR THAT.
AND WE COULDN'T GET THE INFORMATION FROM CONED OR WE COULDN'T GET IT FROM THE CONSULTANT, THE TOWN HIRED.
BUT IN THE END WE DID, WHAT WE BASICALLY CAME UP WITH, AS YOU SEE IS A THREE TIER LORE.
UM, BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THAT THESE BATTERIES ARE HERE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY INSTALLED IN PLACES.
AND WHAT WE DID IS WE TRIED TO, UM, LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF BATTERY STORAGE IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
BUT THE CAVEAT THAT WE REALIZED THERE WERE SCHOOLS AND HOUSES OF WORSHIP AND LARGE INSTITUTIONS LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD PROBABLY WANT THE MEDIUM-SIZED BATTERIES, WHICH WE WOULDN'T WANT ON SOMEONE'S LAWN NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE.
SO THE CAVEAT THERE IS THAT THE FACILITY HAS TO BE ON AT LEAST FIVE ACRES IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE A TIER TWO BATTERY.
AND THEN THE TIER THREE BATTERIES, THE WAY THAT'S WRITTEN, WE ARE REALLY LIMITING IT TO TWO FACILITIES IN THE TOWN AS A MAX.
THE, UH, THEY RIGHT NOW CAN ONLY HOOK INTO A SUBSTATION AND WE HAVE ACCESS TO TWO SUBSTATIONS IN THE TOWN.
UM, AND THE ONE THAT WE HAVE, THE APPLICATION THAT'S PENDING IS FOR THE SUBSTATION
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THAT'S NEAR THE NORWOOD COUNTRY CLUB.THERE IS ANOTHER SUBSTATION UP NEAR THE TARRYTOWN LAKES AND THAT CONCEIVABLY COULD HAVE, UH, A LARGE BATTERY STORAGE, UH, FACILITY PUT THERE PROBABLY IN THE INDUSTRIAL ZONE.
BUT, UM, WHAT WE DID DO IS WE HAD A CONCERN AND, AND THIS IS A LAW THAT'S GONNA GET CHANGED.
I THINK WE ALL FELT THIS IS A LAW BECAUSE OF THE WAY, UM, TECHNOLOGY IS CHANGING SO QUICKLY, WE WILL SEE THAT THE LAW WILL GET CHANGED.
AND THE CONCERN WE HAD IS BECAUSE TWO MAIN TRANSMISSION LINES FOR CON EDISON RUN THROUGH TOWN OF GREENBURG.
AND THE CONCERN WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS IN FIVE YEARS, SUDDENLY IT BECOMES FINANCIALLY VIABLE TO ACTUALLY HOOK INTO THE TRANSMISSION LINES, WHICH RIGHT NOW IS NOT A VIABLE OPTION.
WE DIDN'T WANT OUR FI FIND OURSELVES SUDDENLY WITH THESE HUGE SUBSTATIONS RUNNING THE WHOLE LENGTH OF GREENBERG.
SO THERE'S A SPECIFIC PROHIBIT PROHIBITION IN THE LAW TO KEEP IT AT A MAX OF TWO.
NOW GOING FORWARD, WE'LL SEE HOW THAT WORKS OUT.
SO AS KIND OF PARTICULARLY FOR THE NEW MEMBERS, I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING TO LOOK AT ALL THOSE FORMS. 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE SEEING FORMS LIKE THAT AGAIN.
NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TONIGHT, WHICH I'D LIKE TO REALLY HEAR ABOUT IS, UM, LIZ HAS DONE WONDERFUL THINGS WITH, UM, GRID.
SO LIZ, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK TO US ABOUT GRID? I MUTED.
I WOULD LOVE TO AND THEN IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY I DID HAVE A, A QUESTION ABOUT THE BEST.
WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? SO TWO QUES, ONE QUESTION.
SO I THINK YOU GUYS SAID LAST TIME THAT THERE'S NO LONGER THE POSSIBILITY THAT A BEST COULD BE INSTALLED IN A SHOPPING CENTER ON TOP OF THE BUILDINGS UNLESS IT WAS BEING SPECIFICALLY USED FOR THAT PARTICULAR STRUCK BUILDING, RIGHT? IS THAT OH NO, WE, WE DID NOT ACHIEVE THAT, LIZ.
IT, IT, IT, IT, UH, IT IS AND ONE OF THE THINGS, AND THIS GOES BACK TO SOMETHING TERRY SAID, THAT IT IS, WE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY AND I'M JUST NOT JUSTIFYING IT, BUT WE CAN'T FIND OUT WHAT IN THE HELL IS GOING ON.
UH, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO GET ACCURATE INFORMATION AS TO HOW ELECTRICITY FLOWS AND SOMEONE HAS TO KNOW IN THE WORLD, BUT WE HA WE HAVE NOT.
AND TERRY MUST HAVE ASKED 12 TIMES THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING AND NEVER COULD GET AN ANSWER.
MEANING WHAT DO YOU MEAN HOW ELECTRICITY? WELL, BECAUSE THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT DOES IT REALLY GO INTO THE BUILDING? FOR INSTANCE, THE AUSLEY SCHOOLS RIGHT NOW ARE HAVING, PUTTING IN SOLAR PANELS IN A BACKFIELD AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A COUPLE OF THESE MEDIUM-SIZED VESSELS ON THE PROPERTY, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN MEDIUM SIZED VESTS.
AND SUPPOSEDLY THE CURRENT IS NOT ACTUALLY GOING INTO THE SCHOOL, BUT RATHER GOING RIGHT INTO THE DISTRIBUTION LINES.
WE COULDN'T GET AN ANSWER AS TO WHAT WAS THE MAXIMUM THAT COULD BE PUT INTO THE DISTRIBUTION LINES AT ONE SITE.
WE, WE COULDN'T GET AN ANSWER ON THE VIABILITY OF INSISTING THAT THE ELECTRIC BE USED ON SITE FIRST AND THEN GOING INTO THE DISTRIBUTION LINES.
UM, WE JUST, IT, IT SOUNDS AMAZING, BUT WE JUST COULD NOT GET AN ANSWER THAT WAS ACCURATE.
MIKE, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU MIKE, BUT WE CAN SEE YOUR EAR
THE REASON THIS IS IMPORTANT, LIZ AND EVERYONE ELSE IS, AND CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? MM, NO.
CAN YOU HEAR NOT PART OF IT? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.
W WHY THIS IS SO DAMN IMPORTANT IS TERRY'S QUESTION IS SO IMPORTANT IS WE DID LEARN THAT ONCE IT GOES INTO THE DISTRIBUTION LINES, WE, IT IT'S CONTROLLED OUT OF ALBANY.
WHERE IT GOES IS, IS CONTROLLED OUT OF ALBANY.
WE, IT ED HAS NO, NO ABILITY, NO PHYSICAL ABILITY TO CONTROL IT ONCE IT GOES INTO THE TRANSMISSION LINE IS CONTROLLED OUT OF A SUBURB OF ALBANY BY SOMETHING CALLED THE INDEPENDENT SYSTEM OPERATOR, I S O.
AND IT'S THE I S O THAT CONTROLS WHERE THE ELECTRICITY FLOWS.
SO IT'S, WE TRIED TO FIND OUT IF WE REQUIRED IT, CAN WE REQUIRE IT TO
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GO TO THE GREENBERG SITE FIRST BY HAVING IT NEVER GO INTO THE UTILITY LINES AND WE CAN'T GET AN ANSWER.IS IT JUST AN ALGORITHM ONCE IT GETS OUTTA HERE? WE DON'T KNOW ONCE IT GETS OUT.
ONCE IT GETS OUTTA HERE, MARGARET'S AN ALGORITHM.
YEAH, I MEAN ONE OF THE THINGS WE COULDN'T EVEN GET A CLEAR THING ON WHETHER OR NOT WHO CONTROLLED THE, THE, THE FLOW ON THE DISTRIBUTION LINES.
WE KNOW FOR SURE ON THE TRANSMISSION LINES THAT ALBANY CONTROLS IT ON TRANSMISSION LINES, THE DISTRIBUTION LINES.
WE COULDN'T GET AN ANSWER AS TO WHO'S CONTROLLING IT.
IS IT CON ED? IS IT THE, IS IT ALBANY ONCE IT'S ON THE DISTRIBUTION LINE.
SO WHAT WE FOUND WAS, AND WE COULDN'T GET AN ANSWER WHY A PLACE LIKE THE AUSLEY SCHOOLS WOULD NOT SEND THE CURRENT DIRECTLY INTO THE BUILDING AND NOT SEND IT INTO THE DISTRIBUTION LINES.
AND WHEN WE, UM, GARRETT HAD VIDEOED, UM, WHEN HE INTERVIEWED THE PERSON WHO'S THE FACILITY MANAGER AT THE HARDS, AT THE AUSLEY SCHOOLS AND HE HAD, HE ASKED THE QUESTION LIKE, WHY DID YOU DO THIS? AND THE GUY JUST WAS LIKE, THERE WAS NO ANSWER.
SO IT WAS LIKE WE COULDN'T, EVEN WITH SOMETHING THAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING HERE AND NOW IN THE AREA, WE COULDN'T GET AN ANSWER AS TO WHY YOU DID IT THIS WAY VERSUS HAVING IT GO DIRECTLY IN THE BUILDING.
BECAUSE TRADITIONALLY BATTERY BACKUPS WERE USED AT LIKE FACILITIES, DATA CENTERS ALWAYS HAD BATTERY BACKUPS.
BIG, BIG FANCY BATTERY BACKUP SYSTEMS. AND THAT WOULD GO DIRECTLY INTO THE BUILDING BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A A DATA CENTER, YOU DON'T WANT A DATA CENTER TO CRASH.
YOU DON'T WANT EVERYTHING TO RUN FOR HALL.
SO IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY SWITCH ONTO BATTERIES AND THOSE, THE ELECTRIC FROM THOSE BATTERIES USED TO GO DIRECTLY INTO THE BUILDING.
NOW WE HAVE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF THING.
AND LEY, JUST SO I MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, AND THEN I SEE MURRAY WANTS TO JUMP IN, BUT SO LEYS SCHOOLS ARE PUTTING IN SOLAR PANELS.
THEY'RE ALSO PUTTING IN ONE OF THESE MEDIUM SIZED BEST STORAGE.
TO TAKE THE ELECTRIC FROM THE SOLAR PANELS AND PUT IT INTO THE DISTRIBUTION LINES.
BUT WHAT WILL BE SEPARATE FROM, SO THAT'S RIGHT.
SO THEN, AND THEN THEY
IS THAT THEIR INCENTIVE FOR THAT SEEMS TO BE THE, THE THING.
AND THEN THAT WOULD OFFSET THE INSTALLATIONS.
UH, SHARON HAVE A HAND UP SHARON.
UH, UH, WHERE DOES IT, UM, GET INTO THE BATTERY FROM THE SOLAR PANEL? IT FROM THE SOLAR PANELS.
IT'S COMING INTO THE BATTERIES.
IT'S GOING FROM THE SOLAR PANEL TO THE BATTERY AND THAT'S FROM THE BATTERIES TO THE DISTRIBUTION LINE.
AND THEY GET BACK A CREDIT AND THEY'LL GET BACK A CREDIT.
AND MEANWHILE THEY'LL RUN THE ELECTRIC IN THE SCHOOL FROM THE DISTRIBUTION LINE AND PAY FOR IT.
I, I I AND THEN THERE'LL BE A NETTING OUT OF WHAT? OF WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT USES OFF THE, OFF THE GRID.
NET IT OUT, UH, PUT OUT WITH WHAT THE, WHAT THEY PUT IN.
BUT WHAT WE WERE HOPING FOR, WHAT WE, WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO, AND I MEAN, TERRY JUST KEPT HAMMERING ON THIS AND SHE, AND THEY NEVER COULD GET AN ANSWER FOR TERRY.
IS, IS WHY CAN'T YOU RUN IT TO THE SITE FIRST? AND THEREFORE WE HELP OURSELVES LOCALLY.
'CAUSE WE KNOW, WE KNOW WE HAVE POWER AND IT IS, IT IS AT BEST, AMBIGUOUS AND PROBABLY NEGATIVE.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ELECTRONS ONCE THEY GET ON THE, ON THE DISTRIBUTION LINES? I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO ANYTHING.
I DON'T THINK WE, I THINK IT'S WHAT MARCUS SAYS, IT'S ALGORITHMS CONTROL IT OUT OF THE I S O AND I DON'T THINK IT HAS ANYTHING, IT COULD BE END UP IN YONKERS OR NEW YORK CITY OR IT COULD END UP IN, UH, TARRYTOWN.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK ALBANY, IT'S JUST NOT CLEAR BACK TO ALBANY.
I DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW ON THE DISTRIBUTION LINES THAT IT WOULD GO OUT OF THE CONED AREA.
IT WAS LIKE WE JUST COULDN'T GET A REAL, AT LEAST FOR ME, I'M, I'M VERY VISUAL AND I JUST COULDN'T GET THAT SENSE OF I REALLY UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS EXACTLY GOING ON.
AND AS MIKE SAID, WE KEPT ASKING, WE DID ABSOLUTELY ASCERTAIN THAT LIKE THE, THE LARGE BEST THAT'S GONNA GO ON THE NORWOOD PROPERTY THAT GOES INTO THE SUBSTATION AND THAT'S GOING ONTO TO THE TRANSMISSION LINES AND THAT'S CONTROLLED FROM ALBANY.
SO WHILE THEY'RE PUTTING POWER ON THOSE LINES, BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT WELL MAY BE THAT WHILE THE PARTICULAR, I MEAN I'M SPECULATING HERE, BUT IT MAY WELL BE THAT THE PARTICULAR ELECTRONS REALLY IS LOCAL 'CAUSE THEY DON'T THEN HAVE TO TRANSMIT IT.
BUT THEN THEY MAY BE THAT THEY'RE SHOOTING US LESS FROM OTHER PARTS BECAUSE WE HAVE IT HERE.
I MEAN WE JUST DUNNO THE ANSWER.
MARY, YOU TO MARY HAS HIS HAND UP.
IF WE CAN THINK ABOUT, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, GO
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AHEAD MARY.INSTEAD YOU'RE COLLECTING WATER LIKE ELECTRICITY AND YOU USE IT IN A BUILDING.
IF YOU'RE NOT USING IT IN A BUILDING, IT GOES INTO SPRAIN LAKE.
SPRAIN LAKE IS A BIG LAKE AND IT LOSES ITS IDENTITY.
SOMEBODY ELSE NEEDS WATER AT THE OTHER END OF GR SPRING LAKE TAKES SOME WATER OUT, WHETHER IT'S YOUR WATER OR SOMEBODY ELSE'S WATER, IT'S AT THE OTHER END OF THE LAKE.
THAT'S THE ELECTRICITY IS THE SAME WAY.
IT GOES INTO THE SYSTEM, INTO THE GRID, WHICH IS LIKE AN ENORMOUS LAKE.
SOMEBODY ELSE TAKES IT OUT SOMEWHERE ELSE, THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM.
SO THE FIRST THING YOU DO IS WHEN YOU HAVE SOLAR PANELS, YOU USE IT.
AND IF YOU DON'T USE IT, NO, THAT'S NOT TRUE.
YOU YOU'RE MAKING A POINT MARY, YOU'RE MAKING A POINT THAT WE KIND OF ALL AGREE WITH, BUT IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO WORK THAT WAY.
WE CAN'T BE SURE IT WORKS THAT WAY.
THAT WAS THE POINT OF TERRY'S QUESTION.
WHY DOESN'T IT WORK EXACTLY THE WAY YOU SAID IT? YOU SAID IT SEEMED EMILY RATIONAL.
TERRY KEPT SAYING THAT AND QUESTIONING, AND TERRY KEPT ON IT AND ON AND ON IT AND SHE COULDN'T GET AN ANSWER.
BUT WHAT YOU SAY IS, EMILY RATIONAL.
MY, MY BACKGROUND IS IN 1955, I GRADUATED FROM POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE AS AN ELECTRICAL ENGINEER.
I, I THINK BACKGROUND, BACKGROUND ON, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I HAVE SOME BACKGROUND, MARY, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU TWO THINGS.
YOUR ANALOGY IS CORRECT, BUT OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THE WAY THESE SYSTEMS ARE BEING SET UP, THEY DO NOT GO FROM THE BATTERY TO THE SCHOOL OR THE BATTERY TO THE HOUSE.
THEY GO FROM THE BATTERY TO THE DISTRIBUTION LINE.
AND, AND I THINK IT GOES TO LIZ'S QUESTION AS TO WHY WE DIDN'T PUT THAT IN THE LAW WAS WE COULD NOT GET A CLEAR READING ON THE MECHANICS CRAFTED IN THE LAW.
SHARON, YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP.
YEAH, MY RIGHT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS IT GOES FROM THE SOLAR PANEL DIRECTLY TO THE DISTRIBUTION LAW.
IS THAT INCORRECT? THAT IS WHAT WE, OUR UNDERSTANDING AT THIS POINT.
AND HE SAID LEY IT IS, IT SLY IS GOING DIRECTLY TO THE DISTRIBUTION LINE.
IT'S NOT GOING INTO THE LEY HIGH SCHOOL.
SO WHERE THE BATTERY, I'M SORRY.
OR JUST THE BATTERY COME IN IT, IT COLLECTS IT THERE.
DO YOU HAVE MUTE POWER, TERRY? I'M SORRY.
AM I TOO LOUD? NO,
LIZ, DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES.
AND SO, AND ALSO JUST TO RECONFIRM, SO LIKE MIDWAY SHOPPING CENTER CAN GO AHEAD AND PUT A BATTERY ON TOP OF THEIR WELL NO, BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING AT A LOT OF SAFETY ISSUES.
AND AND, AND THEY CAN'T PUT IT IN THE BACK BECAUSE THERE'S A REAL RESTRICTION FROM GOING CLOSE TO, UH, RESIDENTIAL HOUSING.
AND WE'RE ALSO ALSO IN THE LAW, THE WAY IT'S SET UP, UM, WE PUT, WE LOOKED AT THE STATE STANDARDS AND WE AND MY LAPTOP, I'M SORRY, WE, WE, OKAY.
WE, WE LOOKED AT THE STATE STANDARDS AND WE MADE THE DISTANCES FROM BUILDINGS GREATER BECAUSE WE HAD A CONCERN.
AND, AND THE SHOPPING CENTER WAS, ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS THAT IF YOU PUT ONE OF THESE IN THE SHOPPING CENTER, YOU REALLY DON'T WANT IT WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE.
AND WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, GARRETT WOULD BRING UP, YOU KNOW, IMAGES OF THE SHOPPING CENTERS AND WE'D LOOK AT, WELL WHERE COULD YOU PUT IT IN THE SHOPPING CENTER? AND, AND WHAT WE CAME UP WITH IS THE WAY IT'S WORDED, THE PLANNING BOARD WILL BE ABLE TO SAY, YOU MAY WANNA PUT THE BATTERY HERE, BUT WE THINK YOU HAVE TO PUT IT OVER HERE BECAUSE THERE'S LESS CHANCE THAT THERE'D BE PEOPLE IN CARS PARK THERE TO TRY AND GET IT AWAY FROM AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE HIGH CONCENTRATIONS OF PEOPLE AND YOU KNOW THAT.
SO I THINK SOME OF THESE, WHEN THEY COME IN NOW WITH A NEW LORE, THEY MAY DECIDE EVEN THE UH, PLACE LIKE, UH, LIKE MIDWAY, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN HAPPY TO GIVE UP 10, UH, GIVE UP SOMETHING IN THE BACK ALLEY AND BACK OF THE BUILDINGS MAY NOT EVEN WANT THIS IF IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR PARKING LOT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ALLOWED TO PUT IT IN BACK OF THE BUILDING, UH, THERE BECAUSE IT'S TOO CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL HOUSING.
AND WE ALSO HAVE A REAL CONCERN, CONCERN ABOUT FIRE, UH, VEHICLES GETTING IN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SHARON, I'M, I'M SORRY, I'M STILL CONFUSED.
CAN WE JUST DO IT ONE MORE TIME? SURE.
FOR THE SOLAR PANEL TO THE DISTRIBUTION LINE? YES.
AND FROM THE DISTRIBUTION LINE
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BACK TO THE SCHOOL.WHERE DOES THE BATTERY COME IN THE SOLAR PANEL TO THE BATTERY RIGHT.
SO IT HAS TO, I GUESS THERE MUST BE SOME, AGAIN, AS, AS MARGARET WAS SAYING, ALGORITHM DEFEATED INTO THE DISTRIBUTION LINES.
THIS IS THE MECHANICS SHARON, THAT NO ONE COULD GIVE US CLEAR ANSWERS ON.
WELL YOU WOULD THINK THAT, BUT I GOTTA TELL YOU, WE HAD ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE IN AND WE ASKED QUESTIONS AND IT WAS VERY, IT WAS A VERY FRUSTRATING EXPERIENCE IN TERMS OF INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN TO US.
SO, UM, I THINK AARON IS LEAVING US, WHICH HE'S NOT REALLY NOT FEELING WELL.
SO I THINK WE DID THE BEST WE COULD ON THIS.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S A GOOD EXERCISE.
I KNOW IT'S HORRIBLE TO READ LORE, BUT IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF ALSO THE, UM, DEGREE OF EXACTITUDE YOU HAVE TO TRY AND PUT IN LORE 'CAUSE WE LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT, UM, ZONES.
AND EVEN WHEN YOU GO INTO THE NON-RESIDENTIAL ZONES, UM, WE'RE ALLOWING, UM, A VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF THE MID-SIZE BATTERIES IN A LOT OF THE ZONES LIKE THE CENTRAL AVENUE DISTRICT OR SOME OF THE ZONES THAT HAVE MIXED OFFICE AND OTHER THINGS.
UH, BUT WHEN WE GET OVER TO THE INDUSTRIAL PARK WHERE YOU HAVE TRULY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S BURIED BACK IN IN, IN THE PARK, WE'RE ALLOWING A LITTLE BIT MORE THERE IN TERMS OF THE MID-SIZE BATTERIES.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU READ THROUGH THE LAW AND YOU HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS, WE CERTAINLY, MIKE, AND I'LL BE WILLING TO TRY AND GET TO THEM.
THIS WILL NOW GO BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD AND THERE'LL BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE, ON THIS.
CAN I JUST ONE LITTLE BEING THE PLANT NATIVE PLANT LADY THAT I AM TURNING INTO, IS IT POSSIBLE TO, TO SAY INSTEAD OF, UM, GRASS OR WHATEVER ELSE WAS RECOMMENDED THAT THEY USE A NATIVE GROUND COVER, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE NO MAINTENANCE AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT ENCOURAGING
ARE YOU DYING OR, I SUSPECT MOST OF THESE ARE GONNA BE IN PLACES WHERE THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE SURROUNDED BY GRASS.
I I THINK THE ONE, UM, THE ONE ON NORWOOD WILL BE BUFFERED BY PROBABLY, UH, A, A VARIETY OR SOMETHING TO SCREEN IT.
SO I THINK THAT'S MORE, AND A LOT OF THESE ARE GONNA GO INTO PLACES WHERE THEY'RE ON ASPHALT OR EVEN IF THEY COULD SCREEN WITH NATIVE PLANTS INSTEAD OF, OR PROVIDING, WELL I GUESS THAT'S SORT OF, I THINK A QUESTION OF HOW, WHICH, WHICH, HOW CAN WE SCREEN BEST HIDE IT THERE? WELL, I KNOW GEORGE LATIMER IS NOW, THERE IS A NEW COUNTY LAW IN PLACE THAT ANY NEW PLANTINGS THAT THE TOWN DOES HAVE TO HAS TO BE NATIVE.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT RELATES TO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT DEPENDS ON WHAT EXACTLY THE LAW SAYS.
IS IT THE COUNTY PLANTINGS? AND YOU KNOW, I I THINK THAT'S 'CAUSE GENERALLY WE RECOMMEND FOR, UH, NATIVES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE LIZ ON SITES.
AND, AND AARON HAS BEEN A VERY, VERY STRONG ADVOCATE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, AND WE, IT'S AMAZING 'CAUSE THIS GOES BACK MANY YEARS AGO, IT WAS SOMETHING OVER IN, UM, OFF OF NINE A WHERE THE, THE BUILDINGS WHERE UNION CAR BOUGHT CARBAR WAS YEARS AGO.
AND UM, THEY CAME IN AND THEY WERE DOING ALL ONE TYPE OF TREE AND WE SAID, OH, CHANGE IT.
WE WANT A MIX OF SPECIES ON THE BIG TREES BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT SOMETHING BLIND.
GENERALLY ANY RECOMMENDATIONS LIKE THAT THAT WE MAKE, UM, DEVELOPERS ARE VERY OPEN TO THAT.
YOU MIGHT, THERE REALLY ISN'T A RESISTANCE.
IT'S MORE A THING OF JUST ASKING THEM.
AND AARON IS VERY GOOD AT GETTING PEOPLE TO DO THAT.
SO ALSO, I'M SORRY, THE ARBOR VIDI IS NATIVE TO EASTERN NORTH AMERICA.
UM, FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT NOT KNOW, DONNA IS A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING DONNA KNOWS A GREAT DEAL ABOUT
ARE THEY ALL NATIVE? ARE THERE DIFFERENT SPECIES OR THEY'RE ALL NATIVE? UM, THE, THE, THE COMMON ONE THAT WE USUALLY PLANT AROUND HERE IS THE THIA ENTAL.
THERE'S THE, THE LIKE THE RED CEDAR, UM, THE EASTERN, THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT ONES, BUT THE AMERICAN ART VARIETY.
UM, I, ONCE YOU START GETTING INTO THE SHRUB FORMS, THEN YOU MIGHT SEE THE NON-NATIVE VERSIONS.
BUT THE TREE FORMS ARE USUALLY NATIVE.
BUT THIS, OKAY, THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT THE DEER EAT IT IF IT'S NATIVE.
SO THEN
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NOT GOING TO BE SHIELDING ANYTHING.NOT EVERYBODY, NOT, NOT ALL THE AREAS GET DEER.
UM, SO, BUT THAT'S A CONSIDERATION.
UM, HOLLY IS THE AMERICAN HOLLY IS ANOTHER GOOD ONE THAT THE DEER DON'T EAT.
YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE CONED GRID? YES.
SO I THINK AS YOU ALL KNOW, THIS STARTED WITH, UM, PEGGY TILLIS WHO WOULD LIKE TO BRING THE PROGRAM TO BOULDER RIDGE RESIDENTS.
UM, GARRETT, WHOSE LAST NAME, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO PRONOUNCE.
HOW DO, HOW DO YOU PRONOUNCE IT? DUANE.
HE DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB OF WORKING WITH SUSTAINABLE WESTCHESTER.
UH, THEY SUSTAINABLE WESTCHESTER PUT TOGETHER A SCOPING DOCUMENT FOR US.
HE SUBMITTED IT TO, UH, NYSERDA AND NYER.
WE JUST GOT APPROVAL ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF AGO.
UM, WHICH MEANS THAT IF 10 TOWN OF GREENBURG RESIDENTS SIGN UNINCORPORATED SIGN UP BETWEEN NOW AND APRIL 30TH, WHICH IS NOT A LOT OF TIME, THEN THE TOWN IS ENTITLED TO A $5,000 GRANT THAT THERE'S NO MATCHING REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THE ONLY REQUIREMENT IS THAT THE MONEY BE USED FOR SOME SORT OF SUSTAINABLE ACTION.
SO I'LL SEND YOU GUYS ALL THE LINKS SO YOU CAN SIGN UP.
AND DOES EVERYBODY KNOW ABOUT THE PROGRAM? I OKAY.
IS THIS CAN CANDACE AND, AND MARY ARE SHAKING THEIR HEADS? DO YOU MIND MINUTES, VERY MINUTES BRIEFLY GO OVER THAT LIST FOR THEM.
SO, I'M SORRY, JUST REAL QUICK THOUGH FOR THE MINUTES.
HOW, WHAT, HOW MUCH DID YOU SAY THE GRANT WAS FOR LIZ? IF WE GET 10 PEOPLE TO SIGN UP, THE TOWN WILL GET A FIVE IS ELIGIBLE FOR A $5,000 GRANT WITH NO MATCHING REQUIREMENTS.
AND I WILL SEND ALL OF YOU GUYS THE LINK SO YOU CAN ALL SIGN UP.
UM, SO MARGARET AND CANDACE, THE PROGRAM IS VOLUNTARY.
THE POINT IS THAT DURING THE SUPER HOT DAYS, OVER 95 DEGREES, HIGH HUMIDITY, CONED, UM, IS UNABLE TO MEET THE ENERGY REQUIREMENTS FROM THE GRID AS THEY NORMALLY DO.
SO THEY HAVE TO TURN TO THESE, WHAT'S CALLED PEAKER PLANTS.
AND THERE'S FOUR OF THEM THAT THE BEST WAY OF DESCRIBING IT IS THAT THEY MAKE FOSSIL FUELS LOOK CLEAN.
SO YOU CAN IMAGINE HOW LOVELY THESE FOUR PLANTS ARE.
UM, CON'S, INCENTIVE FOR DOING THIS IS THAT IT COSTS THEM FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR TO MAINTAIN THESE FOUR PLANTS THAT THEY'RE USING ANYWHERE FROM FOUR TO SEVEN DAYS A SUMMER.
SO THEY WOULD LIKE TO STOP USING THEM.
UM, AND THEY'RE ASKING, UH, RESIDENTS TO STEP UP AND HELP BY PARTICIPATING IN CONED GRID REWARDS.
IT'S AN APP YOU DOWNLOAD ON YOUR PHONE, YOU LINK IT TO YOUR CONED ACCOUNT AND YOU'LL GET AN ALERT TELLING YOU THERE'S GO TOMORROW.
THERE'S GOING TO BE AN EVENT STARTING AT 2:00 PM LASTING FOUR OR 5, 6, 7 HOURS.
AND YOU'LL BE GIVEN A LIST OF THINGS YOU CAN DO LIKE TURNING YOUR THERMOSTAT UP SO YOUR AIR CONDITIONING DOESN'T RUN AS HIGH.
DON'T RUN ANY MAJOR APPLIANCES.
THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH UNPLUGGED THINGS.
AND IF ON THAT GIVEN DAY YOU LOWER AND BY ON THAT GIVEN DAY, THEY LITERALLY START MEASURING AT 2:00 PM IF YOUR CONED USAGE DROPS 10% FROM WHAT YOU DO IN THE MORNING, AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE ON THE APP WHAT YOU USE, UM, YOU'LL GET MONEY BACK FROM CONED.
AND THEY SAID THE AVERAGE AMOUNT FOR AROUND HERE IS $200.
IF YOU PARTICIPATE IN ALL OF THE EVENTS, THEN YOU MAY GET MORE THAN 200.
IF YOU ONLY DO IT ONE DAY OR YOU ONLY DO ONE OR TWO THINGS AND YOU MAY ONLY GET $50, BUT THEY SAID THE AVERAGE IS 200.
SO THAT IS A NICE CHECK TO GET.
I WAS GONNA SAY IS THAT, BUT THAT'S, THEY'RE DOING IT AGAINST YOUR EXISTING USAGE.
THAT THIS A DRIVE DAY, LITERALLY THAT DAY.
SO LIKE YOU COULD GAME THE SYSTEM BY CRANKING YOUR AIR UP IN THE MORNING AND THEN TURNING IT DOWN, PULLING IT DOWN.
SO IT HAS A WHOLE, IT, IT LISTS ABOUT 10 DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO.
UM, AND IT TALKS TO YOU ABOUT LIKE HAVING THE FAN RUNNING ON YOUR AIR CONDITIONING ALL DAY IS ACTUALLY A GOOD THING THAT THE ACT OF THE FAN GOING ON AND OFF USES A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF ENERGY.
LIZ, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN DO THIS.
CAN YOU WRITE SOMETHING UP SINCE WE ONLY HAVE LIKE, I GUESS 10 DAYS FOR PEOPLE TO SIGN UP AND LIKE SEND IT TO PAUL TO ASK HIM TO JUST DISTRIBUTE IT? YEAH.
JARED IS DOING A TOWN WIDE E-BLAST.
HE'S ALREADY, YOU'RE FANTASTIC.
SO PAUL HAS SIGNED A LETTER THAT'LL BE, THAT PEGGY'S GOING TO USE, SHE'S GONNA EMAIL THAT TO EVERYBODY AT BOULDER RIDGE TOMORROW.
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AND THE TOWN IS GOING TO E-BLAST.AND THEN EVERYBODY HERE ON THIS CALL, I WILL SEND YOU SIMILAR MATERIALS AND THE LETTER AND SHARE IT WITH ANYONE YOU KNOW.
YOU HAVE DONE JUST SUCH A WONDERFUL JOB ON THIS.
YOU REALLY, UH, YOU'RE WELCOME.
FOLLOW IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
THE OTHER THING, UM, JUST SO YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS SOMETHING SHARON, IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, IT'S OKAY IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT.
IT WAS A VERY KIND OF ODD KIND OF THING.
EVIDENTLY THE C A C AND TARRYTOWN WANTED TO DO SOME POLLINATED GARDENS, BUT THEY COULDN'T GET FUNDING FROM THE VILLAGE OF TARRYTOWN.
BUT THEY WERE TALKING TO PAUL AT SOME MEETING WHERE THEY ALL WERE AND PAUL SAID, WELL I'LL HAVE PARKS AND REX DO 'EM.
SO PARKS AND REX IS DOING SUPPOSEDLY A POLLINATOR GARDEN AT ANTHONY VETERAN PARK AND OH THAT'S SO NICE.
AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO DO LIKE A FIELD, I GUESS TAKE SOME OF THE GRASS AT HARTS BOOK AND TURN IT INTO A MEADOW, WHICH IS WONDERFUL 'CAUSE THERE'S NO REAL REASON, WHICH WOULD BE VERY NICE.
SO, AND, AND HOW I GOT IN THIS, THE PERSON THEN SOMEHOW SAID, WELL, DO YOU WANNA BE THE LEAD PERSON? AND I'M LIKE, NO.
AND I ACTUALLY ENDED UP ON THE PHONE WITH HER AND IT WAS SORT OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY SEE A ROLE FOR ME HERE.
IT'S, YEAH, IT'S PARKS AND REX CAN DO THIS.
JERRY BYRNE HAS WONDERFUL STAFF.
JERRY BURN DOES NOT NEED ME TELLING HIM WHAT TO DO.
AND YOU KNOW, WITH THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE POLLINATED GARDEN PEOPLE ARE TALKING TO JERRY'S PEOPLE, IT SEEMS REALLY GOOD.
SO THEN SHE, SO THEN SHE WAS SUGGESTING, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING LOT OF TOWN HALL.
AND I SAID, WELL THERE'S A NATIVE PLANT GARDEN THERE.
AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU REALLY DID.
WELL YOU'RE GETTING 2, 2, 2, 2, UH, THINGS DONE.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANNA OVER OVERKILL YOURSELF WITH YOUR ASKS.
SO THE ONLY THING I SAID, AND IT SEEMS AS THOUGH FIRST OF, I THINK JERRY BYRNE HAS STAFF THAT DOESN'T NEED SOMEONE TELLING THEM WHAT TO PLAN TO DO
BUT I SAID, WELL, IF YOU WANT I'LL ASK IF ONE OF MY MEMBERS, WHICH WOULD BE SHARON.
'CAUSE I KNOW SHE, SHARON WAS A MASTER GARDEN, KNOWS ABOUT THIS STUFF.
I'LL ASK SHARON IF SHE WANTS TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS IN ANY WAY IN THE MEETING.
SO MY QUESTION TO YOU, SHARON, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN MY SENDING MY NAME TO THESE PEOPLE? AND YOU MIGHT GET INVITED TO SOME MEETINGS OR I LEFT A VERY THAT YOU CAN DON'T, IF YOU WANNA SAY NO, YOU'RE FREE TO SAY NO.
IF YOU WANNA SAY YES, YOU'RE FREE TO SAY YES.
WOULD THESE BE ZOOM MEETINGS? YES.
I'LL SEND YOUR NAME ON TO HER THEN AND, AND OKAY.
AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA COME AFTER THIS, BUT THE POLLINATORS ARE REAL.
THAT'S A REALLY NEAT THING TO DO.
AND PUTTING THE MEADOW IN IS, IS REALLY BECAUSE ONE OF THE REASONS IT'S SO NEAT.
AND UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PIPELINE COMPANIES ARE DOING THAT ALL DOWN THE APPALACHIAN TRAIL AND IT'S SO NEAT.
REMEMBER WE HAD LARRY WIENER COME AND TALK ABOUT MEADOWS OVER AT THE YES.
AND MEADOWS ARE THE THING, 'CAUSE MEADOWS, THERE ARE, THERE ARE BIRDS THAT NEED THAT WILL ONLY, ONLY, UM, THEY NEED MEADOWS BE AROUND IF THERE ARE MEADOWS BECAUSE THEY, THEY NEST ON THE GROUND.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST THIS, THIS LAST YEAR I THINK THERE'S NO INSECTS LEFT.
'CAUSE LAST YEAR THERE WERE NO BIRDS PERIOD.
BUT OVER THE YEARS YOU CAN, I'VE JUST SEEN THE DIVERSITY OF BIRDS DWINDLE.
BY THE WAY, HABITAT IS DIMINISHED MY HOUSE EVERYWHERE.
SO THEN ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT'S GOING ON IS THERE'S BEEN ALL THIS CHATTER FROM ELLA, WHICH IS THE UMBRELLA GROUP FOR THE CONSERVATION GROUPS.
AND IT HAD TO DO WITH, UM, PEOPLE MAKING LISTS TO THANK YOU MIKE.
SO, SO AT ANY RATE, THERE WAS ALL THIS CHATTER BACK AND FORTH WITH THESE PEOPLE WITH LISTS WHEN THEY WENT OUT TO INSPECT PROPERTY.
AND, AND SOME OF THEM WERE SORT OF COMICAL BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THE CACS DON'T GET THE MATERIALS WE GET, BUT WHEN WE HAVE BIG PROJECTS, WE GET ALL THE MATERIALS ON, UH, THE REPORTS ON WILDLIFE AND WHATNOT.
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ANY LARGE PROJECT, THE DEVELOPER HAS TO DO THIS AS, AS, AS PART OF IT.AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY SOME OF THE FIRMS WE HAVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KNOW THAT THEY REALLY DO A GOOD AND AND ETHICAL JOB.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, UH, WE DON'T REALLY NEED THOSE LISTS BECAUSE WE ARE USED TO GETTING THE ACTUAL PAPERWORK AND WALKING THE SITE.
AND, AND ONE OF THE SITES HAD, ONE OF THE LISTS HAD SOMETHING IS THE SITE HEAVILY TREATED? AND I WAS THINKING, DO YOU NEED A CHECKLIST TO, TO NOTICE THAT
AND THIS MAY INTEREST NANCY AND GEORGE AND LIZ HAS BEEN WORKING WITH YOU ALSO, IS THERE SOMETHING CALLED, UM, THE NEW YORK STATE STRETCH CODE, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH BUILDING CODE FOR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPROVEMENTS? SO I THINK THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU GUYS MIGHT WANT TO HUNT DOWN AND LEARN MORE ABOUT.
WHAT IS THE NEW YORK STATE STRETCH STRETCH CODE AND HOW DOES LIZ TOLD US ABOUT THIS ALREADY? I'M SORRY? I THOUGHT LIZ TOLD US ABOUT THIS ALREADY.
YOU WANNA GO ON MORE ABOUT IT, LIZ? OR DID YOU I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
'CAUSE I HAVEN'T READ THE LAW, BUT I KNOW I'VE, UM, BUT MANY OF THE LOCAL TOWNS HAVE ADOPTED THE, IT'S SORT OF THE, THE, THE NEXT STAGE OF WHATEVER CURRENT BUILDING CODE CONSERVATION LAWS ARE ON THE BOOKS.
I GUESS THE THING IS TO FIND OUT WHAT REALLY IS IN IT.
BECAUSE IT COULD BE THAT WE MAY BE DOING MORE THAN THAT ALREADY.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT COME DOWN IS THAT YOU SOMETIMES FIND THAT, UM, YOU CAN DO BETTER.
IT'S SORT OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THE BEES, UM, NY CERTA PROVIDED A MODEL LAW WHICH WAS HORRIBLY INADEQUATE.
UH, AND I CERTAINLY THINK WE BASICALLY TOOK JUST THE BAREST OUTLINES OF THE SERTA LAW AND DRAFTED OUR LAW BECAUSE WE DIDN'T FEEL THAT, UM, NYSERDA HAD DONE THAT GREAT A JOB ON, ON WHAT WAS THERE.
AND NYSERDA KEPT SAYING, YOU CAN FILL THIS IN.
I THINK THE IDEA'S WRITTEN SO THAT YOU CAN THEN TAKE, LIKE, I WOULD BE CURIOUS, UM, AND I DO HAVE SOME CONTACTS IF ANYBODY WANTS TO REACH OUT.
UM, LIKE WHAT CROTON AND SOME OF THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES, CROTON IS PRETTY, UM, SERIOUS AND HARDCORE ABOUT THEIR SUSTAINABILITY MOVEMENT.
SO THEY, AND I KNOW THEY ARE, LOOK, THEY, THEY'VE USED THE NEW YORK STRETCH CODE AS A BASELINE FOR WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING.
SO THEY MIGHT BE AN INTERESTING YEAH.
AND THE OTHER THING IS ONCE YOU HAVE A GRASP ON IT, YOU CAN TALK TO GARRETT.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, HE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE REALLY IN GREENBURG HAVE DONE A LOT OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE DON'T, WE KNOW, WE DON'T NECESSARILY ADVERTISE WHAT WE DO, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT JUST A STANDARD PRACTICE BECAUSE WE HAVE A, A, A PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT HAS SEVERAL PEOPLE, LIKE SOME OF THE MUNICIPALITIES HAVE VERY SMALL BUILDING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENTS.
WE HAVE A FULL-BLOWN PLANNING DEPARTMENT PLUS A BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
SO IN MANY WAYS GREENBERG CAN VERY OFTEN IS AHEAD OF THE CURVE AND PEOPLE DON'T EVEN REALIZE IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE DO, JUST 'CAUSE IT'S THE WAY WE DO IT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'D BE REALLY BE INTERESTING TO KNOW WHAT'S IN THE STRETCH CODE AND HOW DOES THAT LINE UP WITH WHAT WE CURRENTLY DOING AND WHAT WOULD BE THE ADVANTAGES AND WHAT WOULD BE THE PROBLEMS WITH IMPLEMENTING IT IN THE FUTURE.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE, WE LIKE TO NEVER GO BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD OR THE TOWN AND SAY DO THIS UNLESS WE ARE CONVINCED THAT IT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT'S VIABLE.
I'M SORRY, SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING WAS MISTAKE.
SO THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE TO LOOK INTO.
AND, UM, I THINK THREE OF US, WE CAN WORK ON THAT TOGETHER.
WE'LL, I THINK THAT'D BE GREAT.
CAN I, OH, WELL ONE OF THE THINGS I, IT'S BEGINNING TO TROUBLE ME MORE AND MORE IS THE IMPENDING, UM, YOU KNOW, CRISIS, UM, ENERGY CRISIS, ELECTRICITY CRISIS.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, MENTIONED THIS BRIEFLY
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BEFORE, UH, IN THE 2019 CLIMATE ACT.UM, THE, YOU KNOW, WE NOW HAVE 70% OF OUR FUEL IS FOSSIL FUEL AROUND FIGURES ON THE NEW YORK STATE GRID.
MOST OF IT'S FROM, UM, MOST OF THE NON FOSSILS HYDRO AND, AND NUCLEAR.
UM, UH, WE'RE GONNA LOSE NUCLEAR, YOU KNOW, SHORTLY.
AND WHEN INDIAN POINT GOES OFFLINE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
UH, THE CONCEPT IS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GO TO FROM 70% FOSSIL TO 30% FOSSIL FUEL IN NINE YEARS BY 2030.
UH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT IS POSSIBLE TAKING OFF, UH, ONCE WE TAKE OFF.
UM, UM, I TRIED TELLING YOU, MIKE, YOU DON'T WANNA LISTEN TO ME
UM, AND, UM, UM, SO WE'VE, WELL GEORGE, WHAT YOU AND, AND NANCY AND LIZ ARE DOING, UM, THIS IS GONNA BECOME A REALLY BIG DEAL.
UM, I'VE MENTIONED THIS TO, TO PAUL AND, UH, TERRY AND I MENTIONED THIS TO GINA AND DIANA, UH, WE HAVE GOT TO, UM, UH, TH THAT THEY KNOW THIS PROJECT IS COMING.
I DON'T KNOW TO THE EXTENT THE STRETCH CO WHAT THE STRETCH CODE REALLY DOES, BUT WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT SOMETHING SO THAT WE DON'T BECOME, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE GET INTO A WORLD WHERE BROWN OUTS, YOU KNOW, BROWN OUTS ARE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, PART OF OUR NORMAL LIFE.
LIKE TODAY, WEARING MASKS IS PART OF OUR NORMAL LIFE.
UM, SO WE WE GOTTA START THEN, THEN THAT'S WHAT ALL GOES BACK TO TERRY'S QUESTION THAT SHE, WE NEVER GET AN ANSWER TO.
IF WE REQUIRED PE IF WE REQUIRED NEW CONSTRUCTION, FOR EXAMPLE, TO HAVE SOLAR, COULD WE RE, COULD IT BE, CAN IT BE THAT THAT SOLAR GOES RIGHT TO ONSITE USE, UH, AND, AND NEVER TAXES THE GRID EXCEPT IN THE DAYS WHEN THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SOLAR AND, AND STORAGE SOLAR NOT ENOUGH CURRENT SOLAR AND STORAGE SOLAR TO, UM, TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO LIGHT UP THE FACILITY TO RUN, TO OPERATE THE FACILITY.
AND WE'VE GOT SENIOR HOUSING, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, UH, WITH THIS IS SEEMED TO ME WOULD BE A PRIME CANDIDATE FOR SHOULD WE REQUIRE ANY NEW SENIOR HOUSING, FOR EXAMPLE, TO BE SELF-SUFFICIENT SOLAR.
UM, BUT THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE, MIKE.
YOU CAN'T REQUIRE IT BECAUSE NOT EVERY HOUSE LOCATION IS GOOD FOR SOLAR.
I I, I CAN'T HAVE SOLAR ON MY HOUSE.
BUT, BUT, BUT THAT, BUT THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT.
BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE AND FOUR STORY HIGH SENIOR HOUSING FACILITIES.
WE, THERE ARE VERY FEW PLACES WHERE, WHERE SENIOR HOUSING'S GOING TO BE BUILT.
THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A CANOPY THAT'S GONNA PREVENT THREE OR FOUR STORY HIGH SENIOR HOUSING FROM, UM, FROM, UH, HAVING SOLAR.
MIKE, YOU DON'T WANNA HEAR IT.
NATURAL GAS IS, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THE THE ECONOMICS OF NATURAL GAS.
ISN'T THAT THE FOSSIL FUEL? YES.
WELL, BUT NO, BUT LISTEN TO ME.
I I'M, I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW.
YOU SAID IT TO ME AND YOU ARE RIGHT.
THE LAW, THE LAW, THE LAW, THE LAW SAYS THE 2019 CLIMATE ACT SAYS WE HAD TO HAVE 70%, WE HAD TO HAVE 70% NON-FOSSIL FUEL.
SO NATURAL GAS DOESN'T COUNT UNDER, UNDER THE CLIMATE ACT.
WELL, 70%, I BEG PARDON? YOU SAID 70% NON-FOSSIL FUEL.
SO 30% IS GONNA BE NATURAL GAS AND NATURAL GAS IS SO DAMN CHEAP.
AND IT'S JUST GONNA, IT'S, IT IT IS, IT IS REPLACING COAL.
BUT THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
THERE'S NO, BUT MARGARET, THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WHERE'S THE 70% COMING FROM THOUGH? UM, I, I, I THINK MIKE, I THINK IT'S A GOAL.
I HONESTLY DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED IT.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE'RE LOOKING AT, THEY'RE GONNA CHANGE LAW, JUST RETHINKING THINGS.
AND I THINK WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS I THINK BY HAVING THOSE BIG STRETCH GOALS, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO REALLY FORCE PEOPLE TO START TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT AND HOW WE DO IT.
AND I, I HONESTLY DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BECOME A MIX OF STUFF THAT WE DO.
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AND IT'S GONNA BE AT A HIGHER LEVEL THAN THE, THAN THE GREENBERG CAC.THAT'S, YOU KNOW, OKAY, LET'S GO, YOU KNOW, WELL, FIRST, FIRST OF ALL, I, I JUST SAW THE OTHER DAY, THEY'RE PUTTING IN NEW GAS PIPES ALL OVER THE TOWN.
SO APPARENTLY THEY'RE ANTICIPATING THAT.
AND THE PROBLEM WITH THE GAS IS THAT IT'S FROM FRACKING, NOT ALL.
NO, IT'S A LOT OF IT'S, IT'S A BYPRODUCT.
IT'S, THEY'RE NOT TAKING OUT, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT, NATURAL GAS IS A BYPRODUCT.
IT'S LIKE THEY FLARE IT IN SOME WHAT? THEY FLARE IT.
IN OTHER WORDS, I USED TO LITERALLY, IF YOU WOULD'VE GONE BY A REFINERY YEARS AGO, YOU WOULD JUST SEE THESE LIKE DIRT LIKE DEVICES WITH THE FLAMES ON THE TOP.
BECAUSE THEY JUST BURNING IT OFF.
SAUDI ARABIA DOES A LOT OF THAT STILL.
AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW IS THEY'RE CAPTURING IT BECAUSE, AND I DON'T, THEY, THEY CAN NOW IT AND PUT IT IN TANKERS, WHICH THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO DO IN THE PAST.
SO NOW IF THAT'S RIGHT, THEY TAKE THE GAS, THE LIQUID GAS FROM KUWAIT, PUT IT ON A, CHANGE IT INTO A FORM THAT IT CAN BE PUT ON A TANKER AND TAKE THAT TANKER TO HOLLAND AND THEY CAN USE IT THERE.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS, EVEN IN TERMS OF THE WAY FOSSIL FUEL IS BEING HANDLED AND BURNT THAN IT'S CLEANER.
IT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING, UM, UP AND DOWN APPALACHIA.
AND, AND WE ARE, WE ARE CHANGING THE WAY ELECTRICITY IS MADE IN OUR COUNTRY BY PUSHING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THESE PIPELINES, WE'RE PUSHING LIQUID NATURAL GAS.
THAT'S A BYPRODUCT OF FRACKING.
AND IT, AND, AND SO WHAT THEY'RE DOING, WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THIS, THERE ARE IN THESE, IN THESE, UM, IN THESE ELECTRIC, YOU KNOW, GAS, ELECTRICITY PLACES WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING ELECTRICITY, RIGHT? FOR THE COUNTRY.
IT IS A, LIKE A GE JET ENGINE THAT COULD FLY A PLANE THAT CAN START LIKE THIS WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN, START LIKE THIS, WHEN THE WIND STOPS, THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO BACK UP THE ELECTRICITY GRID.
AND NATURAL GAS, IT'S JUST, JUST FLOWING IN THERE.
AND IT STARTS THOSE THINGS RIGHT UP STARTS THOSE THINGS RIGHT UP.
MARGARET, WHAT IS THE PRODUCT OF FRACKING? IF GAS IS THE BYPRODUCT? UM, THE PRODUCT OF FRACKING IS OIL.
NATURAL GAS IS, IS THE BYPRODUCT.
IT JUST COMES OUT ON THE SIDE, COMES OUT ON THE TOP, AND NOW THEY'RE CAPTURING IT AND THEY'RE USING IT TO LIKE RUN, UM, RUN THESE ELECTRICITY GRIDS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERY DAY YOU TURN ON YOUR LIGHTS, THEY TURN ON, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S CLEANER, IT'S CHEAPER AND IT'S NOT GOING AWAY FOR A LONG TIME, A LONG TIME.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE IN A VERY LONG TRANSITION PERIOD BECAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS GOING AND AS, AS MARGARET POINTS OUT, WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A BACKUP BECAUSE THESE NATURAL SOURCES, AND THIS IS A WHOLE PROBLEM IN HAWAII, 'CAUSE HAWAII IS TREMENDOUSLY ON SOLAR BECAUSE HAWAII GETS HUGE AMOUNTS OF SUNLIGHT.
AND THEY CAN ALSO THEN STORE THE SUN, THE SOLAR ENERGY.
BUT, BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO KEEP THE POWER PLANTS BECAUSE WHEN THEY GET OVERCAST WEATHER, THEY HAVE TO FIRE UP THE PLANTS, THE OLD FASHIONED PLANTS LIKE THIS, LIKE THIS, LIKE THIS.
AND THAT'S THE ADVANTAGE OF GUESS WHAT ARE THE THINGS ABOUT WHEN THEY PRODUCE OIL? IT, IT'S SORT OF LIKE WHEN THEY, UM, PROCESS, PROCESS ANIMALS.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE FORGET ABOUT THE PART THAT WHEN SOMETHING IS BEING PROCESSED, THEY TRY AND USE ALL THE PARTS.
UM, SO LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK IF THEY PROCESS PROCESS PIGS, THEY LAND UP TAKING, TAKING THE, THE, THE MAKING BRISTLES OUT OF IT.
THEY, THEY BASICALLY USE EVERY PART OF THE PIG.
WE DON'T THINK ABOUT IT WHEN WE GO BUY SOME PORK CHOPS AT, AT THE SUPERMARKET.
THE SAME THING IS TRUE WHEN THEY PROCESS FOOD TO MAKE GASOLINE.
THERE ARE ALL THESE BYPRODUCTS, METH, METHANE, PROPANE, ALL THE STUFF THAT COMES
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OUT.PETROLEUM JELLY, THE REASON IT'S CALLED PETROLEUM JELLY, IT IS LITERALLY A BYPRODUCT OF PRODUCING PETROLEUM
SO THE NEXT, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT FRACKING IS NOT GOING AWAY, WHICH IS A DISTURBING THOUGHT.
THERE'S A LOT OF NICE THINGS COMING OUT OF FRACKING, AND ONE OF THEM IS, UM, NATURAL GAS IS COMING OUTTA FRACKING AND IT'S CLEAN AND IT'S, UM, WE'RE CATCHING IT AND WE'RE PUSHING IT DOWN ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE APPALACHIA AND WE'RE REPLACING COAL.
AND I, AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT ANY OF THESE, THESE THINGS, AND I THINK THERE ARE QUESTIONS PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ABOUT FRACKING, BUT I THINK WE'RE ALWAYS DOING A BALANCING ACT IN OUR COUNTRY BETWEEN WHERE WE ARE NOW AND WHERE WE'RE GOING AND WHAT WORKS FOR NOW.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE GOING TO HAVE EVERYTHING BE NUCLEAR POWER AND MUCH OF EUROPE IS ON, YOU KNOW, FRANCE IS A VERY HEAVILY NUCLEAR POWER USER.
AND IN THIS COUNTRY IT WAS, YOU KNOW, REALLY NEVER TOOK OFF TO THE DEGREE THAT IT DID.
IN OTHER COUNTRIES, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT ISSUES BECAUSE WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE, WITH THE WASTE THERE? BUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS IS EXTREMELY CLEAN IN TERMS OF ENERGY PRODUCTION.
SO I THINK WITH ANY OF THESE THINGS, WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO SEE THE ARGUMENTS AS TO WHICH BENEFIT WEIGHS IN THE MOST.
AND AT A PARTICULAR TIME, THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE.
FOR INSTANCE, UM, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF THE, WE BASICALLY HAVE A COUNTRY THAT SAYS WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO ELECTRIC CARS, WHICH IS GONNA REQUIRE MORE ELECTRICITY.
AND THIS MAY BE THAT BURNING TO MEET THAT NEED.
WE MAY HAVE TO BE USING NATURAL GAS, BUT WE CAN BURN NATURAL GAS MORE CLEANLY WITH SCRUBBERS ON AN ELECTRIC PLANT, THEN WE CAN CONTROL THE EXHAUST FROM A CAR.
SO IT WILL LAND UP BEING AN ENVIRONMENTAL NET GAME.
THEY'RE VERY COMPLICATED DECISIONS AND THEY'RE, A LOT OF THOSE ARE REALLY AT A NATIONAL LEVEL OR AN INTERNATIONAL LEVEL WITH WHAT PEOPLE WILL DO.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE ALWAYS GO BACK TO IN THIS GROUP.
IT'S THE SCIENCE THAT DRIVES THE DECISIONS, NOT THE EMOTIONS.
UM, I GET, AS I SAY, SO I GUESS WE'VE REALLY GONE THROUGH A LOT OF THINGS TONIGHT.
THE BLOW LAW, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT IS, UM, IT'S NOW IN THE HANDS OF THE TOWN BOARD.
I THINK THERE'S, AFTER THE, UM, UH, WORK SESSION AND WHERE PEOPLE GOT TO SPEAK AND WHATNOT, IT WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, IN A PUBLIC HEARING, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE ALL SORTS OF VARIATIONS OF, AS, AS MIKE CALLS THEM, PEOPLE WANTING POLLUTION DAYS,
SO THEN THE OTHER THING IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, SO, SO OUR COMMENT WAS, WE'LL LET SOMEONE ELSE PICK OUT THE POLLUTION DAYS IF THAT'S THE ROUTE THEY WANNA GO.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, WE TOOK A VOTE.
WE REALLY FELT VERY STRONGLY THAT, UM, YOU JUST BAN IT FOR THE SUMMERS AND TRY IT OUT AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A TWO YEAR SUN SUNSET ON IT.
AND I SUSPECT THAT IF THEY DID IT, PEOPLE WOULD GET USED TO IT.
BUT, UM, AND MY OTHER CAVEAT WAS THAT IF LIKE A WHOLE BLOCK OF PEOPLE WANTED TO USE THEIR BLOWERS, THEY WOULD GO AHEAD AND USE THEM ANYWAY.
'CAUSE THEN NO ONE WOULD RAT THEM OUT.
IT'S NOT LIKE THE TOWN POLICE GO AROUND LOOKING FOR, FOR, UM, PEOPLE WHO ARE BREAKING A LAW.
I MEAN, IT'S SORT OF WHAT THE SAME THING HAPPENS WITH THE BUILDING CODE, THE ZONING CODE, THE BUILDING CODE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO HAVE BUILDING CODE VIOLATIONS, THE ONLY WAY THEY FIND OUT ABOUT THEM IS EITHER THE HOUSE GETS, GETS PUT ON THE MARKET AND THEY GO FOR A MORTGAGE AND THEY COME OUT AND IT COMES OUT BECAUSE THEN THERE'S THE HOUSE INSPECTION OR SOMEONE RATS OUT THEIR NEIGHBOR THAT THEY HAVE A, A BUILDING CODE VIOLATION AND THEY DID SOMETHING THAT ISN'T RIGHT, OR THEY ADDED A BATHROOM THAT ISN'T ON THE RECORDS.
I MEAN, THE TOWN IS NOT GOING KNOCKING DOOR TO DOOR TO CHECK OUT WHO'S VIOLATING STUFF.
SO I, WELL, MY THEORY AT THIS POINT IS WE'VE SPENT WAY TOO MUCH TIME ON THE BLOWER LAW FOR WHAT WE'VE GOTTEN AS A RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR TIME.
I THINK THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT PROJECTS FOR US TO PUT OUR ENERGIES INTO.
AND THIS ONE NOW IS, MY FEELING IS STRICTLY FOR THE TOWN TO FIGURE OUT.
THEY'VE GOTTEN ALL THE INFORMATION.
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CAN ADD TO IT AT THIS POINT.SO IT'S REALLY A LEGISLATIVE ISSUE.
UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANNA, COLE? HEY, TIM.
MIKE, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? NO, I'M JUST FINDING MY GRANDSON,
BUT WE, WE, WE SHOULD TALK TO, TO, UH, CANDACE.
I, I'M, I SAID I WOULD EMAIL HER MY PHONE NUMBER TO TALK TO HER.
IS, CAN IS CANDICE, UH, IS CANDICE STILL ON THE MEETING? NO, SHE'S LEFT THE MEETING.
SHE HAD, SHE SAID SHE HAD ANOTHER MEETING.
SO I SAID I WOULD SEND HER MY, MY PHONE NUMBER TO TALK TO HER AFTER, TO SEE HOW SHE'D LIKED THE MEETING AND WHAT SHE THOUGHT.
DOING A LITTLE CHAT THERE ON THE SIDE.
UH, SO I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR TONIGHT, UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE HAS SOMETHING ELSE.
YOU'RE THE THANK YOU ALL AND WE'LL SEE YOU, UH, IN MAY.
SO WE HAVE A GOOD GAP ON THIS ONE.
LET ME, LET ME WAIT A MINUTE, A MINUTE.
LIKE THE TERMINATOR DO SOMETHING, MIKE.
AARON, ARE YOU THERE? I GUESS.
I TOLD HIM I WOULD CLOSE EVERYTHING OUT.
I, THERE, THERE'S SOMETHING WEIRD GOING ON OVER HERE.
UH, QUESTION, QUESTION, QUESTION.
THERE'S A THREE, THE END OF THE PRIVATE ROAD OVER HERE THAT ALL OF THE BARK FELL OFF.
I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THAT OR SEEN IT.
SO HE TOOK ALL THE KINS OUT OF THE WAY SO NOBODY WOULD KNOW THAT THE BARK FELL OFF THE, DID YOU SEE ME? YEAH, BECAUSE I, I, YEAH, BECAUSE TAKE CARE.
DO YOU HAVE GOOD? HUH? YOU HAVE SNACK? YEAH.
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