[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL AGENDA MEETING TO BE HELD VIA ZOOM-ENABLED VIDEO CONFERENCE THURSDAY, May 27, 2021 – 6:30 P.M. ]
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YOU HITTING, I GUESS IT NOW ANNOUNCES THAT, I'M SORRY.I GUESS IT NOW ANNOUNCES THAT IT'S RECORDING AND WE HAVE TO CONTINUE.
I GUESS WE HAVE TO PRESS CONTINUE.
ARE WE WAITING FOR SHARON OR NO? SHARON.
SHARON SAID SHE WAS HAVING, UM, SOLDIER SURGERY, SO SHE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT.
I SUSPECT SHE, SHE, SHE HAD SOLDIER SURGERY LAST WEEK.
SHE'S NOT GONNA BE HERE TONIGHT.
THE ONLY THING WOULD BE, UM, DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER HANDY MIC FOR NANCY? UM, WE'RE NOT, YEAH, I MEAN, KIND OF HANDY.
YEAH, MAYBE IF YOU JUST GIVE HER A CALL, BECAUSE IF SHE HAD TRIED TO GET ON EARLIER AND COULDN'T CALL HER RIGHT NOW, HOLD ON.
YOU GUYS START, BUT I'LL, I'LL, I'LL MOVE.
WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL WAIT FOR YOU FOR A SECOND 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO DO THE MINUTES AND WE NEED ALL FOUR PEOPLE, SO JUST BEAR WITH US A, A FEW MOMENTS.
I JUST SENT HER AN EMAIL AS WELL.
OH, SHE'S IN THE WAITING ROOM.
CACS LIKE THE ROYAL MONEY IT DOWN.
OH, LAWRENCE IN THE WAITING ROOM NOW AS WELL.
OKAY, SO LET'S, LET'S, LET'S CLEAR OFF THE THING ABOUT HER EMAIL.
SHE'S GETTING THE, THE BETTER.
AND, AND I SAY THAT NANCY, UNMUTE YOURSELF AND GET YOUR PICTURE UP.
I'M HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES AFTER THAT RAIN THAT WE HAD.
I'VE BEEN MY COMPUTER, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M GETTING BANDWIDTH LOW AND
UM, THE EMAILS I'VE SENT YOU HAVE BOUNCED BACK TO ME.
HAVE YOU BEEN RECEIVING OR SEEING ANY EMAILS FROM ME AT ALL? YEAH, I RECEIVED, LET'S SEE, YOU SENT THE, WELL YOU SENT THIS THE MEETING LINK, CORRECT.
SENT THE ZOOM THE MEETING LINK.
BUT NO, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYTHING ELSE FROM YOU.
SO THE, I SENT THE APPLICATION DOCUMENTS.
SO IT, IT'S, I GOT A KICKBACK.
BUT ASIDE FROM ALL OF THAT, AND I HAVE THE APPLICATION, ALL OF THAT, SO THAT'S HOT.
I DO HAVE THAT, BUT NO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS WE HAD LAST NIGHT.
I HAVE A HARD TIME, SO, BUT I'M HERE.
SO I THINK NOW IF MIKE'S MIKE AGAIN, I THINK THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM MAY 13TH AS RESUBMITTED BY MARGARET.
AND THANK YOU MARGARET FOR DOING THEM LAST TIME.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THOSE MINUTES? I MOVE, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES.
WE HAVE NO CORRESPONDENCE THIS WEEK TO TALK ABOUT, BUT WE DO HAVE AN APPLICATION THAT IS COMING IN BEFORE US.
AND I THINK WHAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD DO IS START WITH THAT AND LET THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE GO OVER THE APPLICATION WITH US AND THEN WE, IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
SO, EMILIO, IF YOU WANNA UNMUTE YOURSELF, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
SEE IF I CAN, UH, ASK HIM TO UNMUTE.
YOU SHOULD MAYBE GET A PROMPT.
THAT'S WHAT MY SECOND WIFE SAID TO ME, MY EX SECOND WIFE.
ANYWAY, LET'S, LET'S START WITH THE, UM, WITH THIS.
OH, THANK YOU FOR THE SITE PLAN.
UM, WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE IS A, A A A A LOT FRONTING ON CLARENDON ROAD.
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AND IF YOU WERE, UM, CONTINUE, I'M OKAY.IF YOU WERE TO STAND, BE STANDING IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW, WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IS A VERY FLAT TWO THIRDS OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS REALLY WHERE THE BOX, UH, OF THE, OF THE HOUSE ENDS.
AND THEN YOU'LL SEE ALL THOSE DOTTED LINES AND ALL THAT SHADING.
ALL THAT INVOLVES THE VARIOUS CATEGORIES OF SLOPES THAT YOU HAVE IN THE LAST ONE THIRD OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND WHAT YOU SEE THERE AS RETAINING WALLS ARE BEING CLOSED IN ORDER TO CREATE SOMEWHAT OF A BACKYARD FOR THE PROPOSED HOUSE, WHICH LIES COMPLETELY IN TWO THIRDS OF A FLAT LOT.
SO WE ARE, WE ARE EXCAVATING IN THE BACK SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A BACKYARD.
BUT THE, LIKE, KEEP IN MIND THAT TWO THIRDS OF THE PROPERTY IS, UH, TOTALLY FLAT.
THE 100, UH, FOOT BUFFER YOU CAN SEE, UH, QUITE CLEARLY, UH, CUTS, UH, INTO A, I I WOULD SAY ONE QUARTER OR ONE THIRD OF THE PROPERTY.
AND IT'S MEASURING A DISTANCE FROM A COMBINATION OF AN OPEN FLOW, UH, UH, BROOK OR I CALL IT A DRAINAGE DITCH.
AND, UH, AND THEN IT ACTUALLY GETS, IT'S SUBMERGED INTO, INTO A PIPE.
SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY NOT WHAT I WOULD CALL A SENSITIVE WATER, UH, UH, UH, UH, UH, CHARACTER.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, IF YOU SEE, UH, YOU CAN PROJECT THE CONTOUR ELEVATIONS, UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY ARE CERTAINLY LOWER THAN THE BEGINNING, UH, PORTION OF THE BROOK.
WHAT I MEAN TO SAY BY THAT IS THAT ANY ACTIVITY BY DEFINITION THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE TAKING PLACE ON THE SITE DURING EXCAVATION, WHICH IS THE WORST TIME FOR SOIL EROSION, UH, CANNOT TRAVEL UPWARD IN THE REAR DIRECTION BECAUSE THE CONTOURS WON'T LET IT.
WE ARE, WE ARE OF COURSE, AT THE LOWEST PORTION OF THIS IMMEDIATE AREA THAT WE'RE DESCRIBING.
SO, UM, IF WE WERE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF A CRAZY PERSON EXCAVATING AND NOT, UH, PAYING ATTENTION TO ALL THE SILT, UH, CONTROL DEVICES THAT WE FORCE UPON THE BUILDERS, EVEN IF HE WAS A CRAZY MAN AND DIDN'T DO WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO, AND EVEN IF IT RAINED TORRENTIALLY, THE WATER COULD NEVER LISTEN TO WHAT I'M SAYING, COULD NEVER FIND ITS WAY INTO THE BROOK THAT WE ARE TRYING TO PROTECT AND WHICH WE ARE PROTECTING.
UH, BUT BECAUSE OF THE PROPERTIES, TOPOGRAPHY, TOPOGRAPHY, ANY SILLINESS THAT A BUILDER MIGHT CREATE COULD NOT EVEN ENTER INTO THE BROOK.
IT, OF COURSE WOULD GO IMMEDIATELY ONTO THE ROAD AND THEN WE, THEN WE TIE HIM UP ONTO A TREE AND WE POUR LY ON HIS HEAD.
AND, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT, UH, ALLOWS US TO BE COMFORTABLE, AT LEAST TO ME ANYWAY, TO BE COMFORTABLE IN PROPOSING THIS PROJECT.
UM, THAT IS NOT SO, SO NEAR THE PRO.
THE, UH, THE BROOK ALSO, THERE IS ANOTHER HOUSE IN BETWEEN THE PROPOSED SITE AND, UH, THE, THE BROOK, WE DIDN'T SHOW IT, BUT THERE IS A WHOLE HOUSE THERE WITH, UM, WHICH BASICALLY ACTS LIKE A WALL AND THERE'S ALREADY AN ESTABLISHED GARDEN, ESTABLISHED GRASS SURFACES, WHICH AGAIN, UH, UH, AMELIORATES ANY PROBLEMS OF EROSION.
UH, BUT AARON, AARON, AARON, YES.
I, I I CAN SEE THE TOPOGRAPHY, UH, IN, ON THE BACKSIDE, BUT I CAN'T SEE THE TOPOGRAPHY ON, YOU KNOW, THE BETWEEN, UM, THE PROPERTY AND THE BROOK.
IT CONTINUES IN THE SAME PATTERN, BUT WOULD YOU LET ME SPEAK, SIR? IN FACT, YOU WILL LET ME SPEAK, SIR.
UH, AND LEMME CONTINUE MY CONVERSATION WITH AARON.
AARON, UM, THE, THE, IS THE PHOTOGRAPHY TOPOGRAPHY SUCH THAT, UM, WATER WILL DRAIN TOWARDS THE ROAD, UH, AND NOT OFF THE PROPERTY INTO THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE? YES.
SO LET ME SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF OF LINES.
THE HATCHED ONES ARE THE EXISTING, SO SEE MY CURSOR, WHICH IS OUT TOWARDS THE ROAD HERE? YEAH, YEAH.
AND COMING ACROSS, THIS IS THE TWO 50 ELEVATION.
TODAY, COMES ACROSS LIKE THIS AND, AND LEAVES THE PROPERTY RIGHT ABOUT HERE.
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WHICH STARTS HERE, GOES ACROSS THE HOUSE AND IS ON THIS SIDE.AND I SEE IT AND I SEE A 2 58 BEHIND THE HOUSE.
THE 2 58 IS ACTUALLY A, A PROPOSED, THE ONES WITH THE SQUARE THERE, THERE'S A 2 58 HERE.
THE ONES WITH THE SQUARE ARE THE EXISTING, AND 2 56 IS HERE, AND 2 58 IS HERE.
SO EVERYTHING'S FROM A CONTOUR, THE WATER WOULD FLOW PERPENDICULAR TO THE LINE, SO IT WOULD BE FLOWING TOWARDS THE ROAD AS MR. ESCALADES POINTED OUT.
SO, SO WE'RE NOT RISKING FLOODING THE EXISTING DIAPER.
AND, AND, AND IT IS TRUE THAT, UM, BETWEEN THE WATERCOURSE AND, AND THE PROPOSED HOME, RIGHT IN ABOUT WHERE IT SAYS SITE PLAN, THERE IS A, A DEVELOPED HOUSE RIGHT HERE AS WELL.
MR. ESCALADES, YOU JUST WALK US THROUGH THE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT.
THE A ADDITIONAL, SO THE, THE, THE EXCAVATION PORTION, OF COURSE IS DEFINED BY THE SHAPE OF THE HOUSE THAT YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE.
AND ONLY ONE QUARTER OF THE HOUSE IS SITTING IN THE AREA OF, OF BUFFER, THE A HUNDRED FOOT AREA.
UM, SO IT'S A MINIMAL INVASION OF THE BUFFER.
THE, UH, THE REST OF THE EXCAVATION WILL BE THOSE, UH, SQUARES IN THE FRONT THAT INDICATE, UM, THE STORM WATER DEVICES THAT WILL, UH, ACCOMMODATE THE 100 YEAR STORM THAT EMANATES FROM THE ROOF OF THE, OF THE HOUSE.
UM, THE, THE, UM, REST OF THE EARTH MOVEMENT, AS YOU WILL, AS, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS MOSTLY OUTSIDE OF THE BUFFER, IS IT'S AN ARC SWINGING FROM THE BUFFER ZONE OF A HUNDRED TO THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THOSE TREES ARE EARMARKING.
THE, UM, UM, THE EDGE OF THE EXISTING, UH, UH, TOPO AND THE PROPOSED TOPO.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S SOME EXCAVATION WHERE THE CURSOR IS, LET ME, LET ME SEE IT, UH, YEAH, TO RIGHT THERE, RIGHT IN THAT SMALL CIRCLE, UM, THAT IS GOING TO BE, UH, UH, EXCAVATED, UH, IN ORDER TO CREATE A SMALL BACKYARD FOR THE HOUSE.
BUT AS, AS, AS YOU HAVE NOTED, AND STA STATED BEFORE, THE TOPOGRAPHY IS, UH, ALWAYS FROM BACK TO FRONT.
IT'S NEVER SIDEWAYS, WHICH IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY BEFORE THE FLOW.
IF THE FLOW WAS SIDEWAYS TOWARDS THE BROOK, THEN THERE WOULD BE, UH, UH, UM, MOMENTS OF FEAR.
BUT, UM, THERE IS NO OPPORTUNITY FOR THE WATER TO TRAVEL INTO THE BROOK.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY BEFORE.
SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO HERE, AND JUST TO RECAP A BIT, IS IT'S AN EXISTING UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY.
UM, THERE'S A SMALL WALL AT, I THINK ACTUALLY THROUGH YES.
A PORTION OF THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THERE'S A STAIRCASE THAT GOES THROUGH A LARGER RETAINING WALL THAT'S ACTUALLY ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, BUT SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THERE'S A, UH, WITH A GARAGE, THERE'S A DRIVEWAY OUT TO CLARENDON ROAD.
UM, THERE'S STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IN THE FRONT, AND THEN ACTUALLY TWO AND OFF TO THE REAR HERE.
UM, THERE'S NO REGULATED TREE REMOVAL, UH, PROPOSED IN CONNECTION.
IT'S, IT'S SORT OF AN OVERGROWN LOT.
BUT THERE ARE NO REGULATED TREES EXCEPT FOR SORT OF ON THE, UH, I WOULD CALL IT THE TOP SIDE OF, OF THE SHEET, CORRECT.
RIGHT AT THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS ALL ALONG HERE.
SO THOSE AREN'T BEING REMOVED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT, THEY'RE BEING PROTECTED.
UM, BUT AT THE REQUEST OF STAFF AND THE C A C, UM, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE IS BUFFER INTRUSION, SO WHAT OPPORTUNITIES ARE THERE TO ENHANCE THE BUFFER ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY? SO YES.
SO AS A RESULT, WE PLANTED, UM, I THINK WE'RE CALLING FOR 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 TREES, UM, AND ABOUT 20 SOME ODD SHRUBS.
SO, UH, LET ME JUMP IN JUST FOR, FOR A MOMENT.
AND TERRY, UM, I'M GETTING A NOTE THAT MY, MY CONNECTION OR SOMETHING'S UNSTABLE, IT JUST WENT AWAY, BUT I'VE MADE YOU CO-HOST, SO, OKAY.
UM, JUST TO POINT OUT, UM, I BELIEVE SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE PLANTINGS YOU HAD IDENTIFIED AS, UM, GO TO THE SCHEDULE AS
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TREES ARE ACTUALLY SHRUBS.AND I THINK THERE ARE, THERE ARE ACTUALLY FEWER TREES, BUT WE WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON THAT.
SO, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THE ARROWWOOD VIBURNUM IS, IT'S A SHRUB.
IT'S A LARGER GROWING SHRUB, UH, THAN, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE, UH, YOU KNOW, AZA OR SOMETHING.
BUT, UH, THE GRAY DOGWOOD IS ALSO, UH, A, A BUFFER SHRUB.
UM, SO WHEN YOU GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD, WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU TO UPDATE THE CHART APPROPRIATELY.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE OTHER PLANT MATERIALS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THESE SPECIES WERE RUN BY MY OFFICE, AND, UM, WE DID FIND THEM TO BE, YOU KNOW, ACCEPTABLE SPECIES FOR THE, FOR THE BUFFER.
SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
SO THE, SO THE, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE CHART PLEASE THEN? SO THE TWO TREES? YEAH.
THAT, THAT'S THE SERVICE BERRIES.
AND THEN THE BURNUM AND THE DOGWOOD, OR WILL GO NOW UNDER THE SHRUBS.
DIANA, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS PLANTING SCHEDULE? I'M OKAY WITH IT.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY, UM, PRETTY MUCH NATIVE.
BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT, AND, AND NOTHING'S COMING OUT.
NOTHING, NOTHING'S COMING OUT.
AND THE PRO THE PROPERTY IS VERY SMALL.
I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS IS THERE'S A, A GOT YOU ON THIS PROPERTY IN THE SENSE THAT WHETHER THIS PROJECT WILL GO FORWARD OR NOT STILL IS, IS AN OPEN ISSUE IN TERMS OF, OF THE NEED FOR VARIANCE OR NOT.
SO I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A PLACE TO PUT MORE THAN WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
AARON, COULD YOU PLEASE IN A VERY BRIEF WAY, EXPLAIN US WHAT THE ZONING ISSUE IS TO THE EXTENT, TO THE EXTENT YOU, YOU'VE BEEN POINT INFORM INFORMED? OKAY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT ANY LOT, UH, FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IN THIS CASE IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, R 7.5 ZONING DESIGNATION, WHICH IS, AS I SAID, SINGLE FAMILY MINIMUM LOT SIZE 7,500 SQUARE FEET.
UM, WELL, IN THIS CASE THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO TAX LOTS.
THERE'S THIS WEDGE SHAPED LOT.
AND THEN, AND THEN THE, THE REMAINDER, THE LARGER PIECE, COLLECTIVELY, THOSE ADD UP OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, A HAIR OVER 6,100 SQUARE FEET, I BELIEVE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AWARE OF THAT.
THE APPLICANT IN ITS SUBMISSION PROVIDED, UM, LEGAL PAPERWORK THAT IS BEING REVIEWED BY OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR TO DETERMINE WHAT, SO THAT THE BUILDING INSPECTOR CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION WHETHER A, NO VARIANCES ARE REQUIRED, OR B AN AREA VARIANCE, UH, IS REQUIRED FOR LOT SIZE.
SO I HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE DETERMINATION YET.
UH, IF THE C A C'S INTERESTED, WE CAN CERTAINLY SEND A COPY OF THE DETERMINATION ONCE IT'S MADE.
BUT, UH, IT'S YET TO BE RECEIVED REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT THE APPLICANT NEEDS A VARIANCE, THEY MOST CERTAINLY NEED A WET AND WATERCOURSE PERMIT, WHICH WILL RUN THROUGH THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND THAT IS WHY IT'S BEFORE THE COUNCIL NOW, BECAUSE THERE WAS A REFERRAL MADE AND THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED ALL THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTATION IN CONNECTION WITH THE WETLAND LAW ENFORCEMENT PERMIT.
SO, SO WHAT IS THE, THERE'S A LEGAL, THE LE DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE LEGAL THING'S ABOUT THAT? A 6.1 LOT.
IT DOES NOT NEED A VARIANCE TO GO IN A 7.5 ZONE.
I BELIEVE IT'S SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE DEEDED AND SOME OTHER INFORMATION.
THERE IS, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, AND WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT LATER OR ANOTHER TIME, BUT THERE IS A SECTION IN THE CODE, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT THE IN, YOU KNOW, INTERPRETER OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, BUT THERE IS A SECTION JUST SO THAT ALL THE MEMBERS ARE AWARE WHERE IF YOU MEET CERTAIN, UM, REQUIREMENTS OR STANDARDS OR CRITERIA, YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A LOT THAT'S UP TO 50% LESS THAN THE REQUIRED MINIMUM UNDER ZONES.
UH, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S APPLICABLE IN THIS INSTANCE, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE'RE AWARE OF AND WE'VE SEEN WE LEAVE IT TO OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
BUT YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO EVEN SEND OUT THAT SECTION OF THE, THE CODE JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE OF IT ON A GENERAL INFORMATION.
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WOULD BE INTERESTING, AARON, BECAUSE I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT, AND I WAS AWARE THAT YEARS AGO THEY, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYONE AROUND WHO OWNED PROPERTY WHEN THEY HAD DONE IT.BUT WHEN THEY DID THE, I THINK THE BIG MASSIVE REZONE AND LIKE 57 OR SOMETHING LOTS THAT WERE BECAME, UM, OUT OF THE THING, SO LONG AS THE PERSON OWNED IT AT THE TIME, THEY WERE SORT OF GRANDFATHERED IN ON SOME OF THOSE LOTS.
AND SOME OF THAT STILL HOLDS TRUE, ACTUALLY.
WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE AROUND WHO WERE THE ORIGINAL OWNERS BACK THEN AND ALIVE WERE, OR, AND, AND YOU KNOW, BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING, IF THE LOT, LOT OR LOTS THEY OWN, 'CAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S, IT'S MULTIPLE LOTS, RIGHT? IF THEY'RE IN, IF THEY WERE IN COMMON, IF THEY WERE, I BELIEVE IN COMMON OWNER, SO IF THEY WERE IN COMMON OWNERSHIP AT ANY POINT THEY WOULD'VE MERGED.
BUT IF THEY WERE NOT IN COMMON OWNERSHIP, THEY DON'T MERGE AND COULD STILL, UH, QUALIFY UNDER THAT SECTION OR A SIMILAR SECTION.
SO I'LL, I'LL SEND THAT OUT TO THE COUNCILMAN.
WELL, I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT TO, WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTO ZONING, BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WHATEVER IS DECIDED THAT THEY DON'T NEED A VARIANCE OR THEY DO NEED A VARIANCE THEY GET, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH ENVIRONMENTAL RECOMMENDATIONS WE WOULD MAKE.
I WOULD SAY, I THINK THE ONLY TIME THAT WOULD BECOME AN ISSUE, MIKE, IS IF WE FELT THERE WAS SOME REALLY SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
AND IF IT WAS A VERY, LIKE A VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANTLY, UM, OFF SIZE OR SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD COMMENT ON IT.
BUT, UM, WELL SEE THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS SARAH WAS ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE.
IF, IF YOU'RE PUTTING A STRUCTURE ON A TOO SMALL LOT, YOU MIGHT HAVE TOO MUCH IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAT'S GONNA RUN OFF IN AND AFFECT A NEIGHBOR.
RIGHT? BUT IN POINT OF FACT, BASED ON THE SPECIFICATIONS WE RECEIVED, UM, THE, THE PERCENTAGE OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE I BELIEVE WAS LESS THAN, UM, WHAT WAS ALLOWABLE EVEN ON THE BIGGER LOTS.
BUT ONCE YOU MULTIPLY THAT SMALLER NUMBER AGAINST THE F A R, AFTER YOU REDUCE THE REQUIRED AREA DUE TO THE SLOPE CATEGORIES, YOU ARE, BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU ARE IN ESSENCE COMPLYING WITH WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING, WHICH IS A LESSER AREA, UH, A SMALLER HOUSE.
THEREFORE LESS AMOUNT OF THE SAME HOLDS TRUE FOR THE IMPERVIOUS AS WELL.
'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S, I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO ME THAT THERE'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS.
I JUST WANNA BE SURE THAT THERE'S NON-ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE THAT ARISES FROM BEING ON THE SMALLER LOT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THERE IS, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY FLOODING IN THE, IN THE, IN THE ROADWAY.
I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S A COAL TECH, UM, AND DO WE KNOW LIKE THAT THE COAL TECH, WE CAN ACTUALLY BORE DOWN, THERE'S NO BEDROCK AND, AND IT'S OKAY TO PUT THE COAL EC THERE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
WELL, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE DEPTH, UH, DO YOU KNOW ROUGHLY THE DEPTH TO, UH, UH, UH, TO ROCK FROM THE SURFACE? WE HAVEN'T FOUND ANYTHING IN SEVEN FEET.
SO MAYBE IT'S DEEPER THAN SEVEN, BUT, UH, FROM THE GROUND TO SEVEN FEET WE'RE CLEAR.
AND YOU NEED ABOUT, WHAT, EIGHT OR 10 TO PUT THE EC IN AND HAVE THE, THE CALTECH IS WILL, YOU'LL NEED AT LEAST THREE AND A HALF FEET.
THE CAL TEXTS THEMSELVES IS SIX FEET.
NO, NO, THAT'S A DRY, WELL, THAT'S THE OLD SYSTEM.
THAT'S WHY THE CAL TICKS WERE INVENTED.
SO YOU CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A LOWER PROFILE OF DISCHARGE.
SO, SO THE, SO, SO THE, THE BATTLE IS ONLY THREE AND A HALF FEET? CORRECT.
SO DO YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVE A, UM, SOMETIMES THERE ARE DETAILS ON THE PLANS THAT SHOW, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ON THIS ONE.
YOU NEED A COUPLE ON THE TOP, COUPLE ON THE BOTTOM, WHICH IS SAND THE GRAVEL.
BUT YEAH, IF IT'S ONLY THREE AND A HALF FEET, THAT WORKS.
THE PLAN THAT HE GAVE US HAS THE DETAIL.
WELL WHAT'S, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE DI DIMENSIONS? DONNA OF THE CULTECH? THREE, THREE BY EIGHT IS A TIC.
WHAT IS A THREE DEPTH THAT AN EIGHT? UH,
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SIDEWAYS.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THE ONLY THING I'D MENTION IS THAT A, AS A MATTER OF FACT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THINKING ABOUT THIS AFTER GETTING THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, BY EMAIL, UM, IF FOR ANY REASON THE APPLICANT DID HAVE TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD, IT WOULD NOT, IT, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE HELPFUL FOR THE ZONING BOARD TO UNDERSTAND IF ANY OF THE COUNCILS OR BOARDS HAD ISSUES WITH RESPECT TO THE PROJECT FROM A WETLAND WATER COURT STANDPOINT.
YOU KNOW, AS PART OF IT, CONSIDERING THE VARIANCE APPLICATION.
THAT, THAT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE NOW THAT YOU'VE ARTICULATED IT, AARON, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A CONSIDERATION IN TERMS OF A, A, A, A FACTOR TO DENY IT IF THERE TO GRANT OR TO GRANT.
YEAH, I OKAY, BUT WAIT MINUTE.
BUT DID MARGARET, I DON'T THINK MARGARET GOT HER QUESTION ANSWERED.
MARGARET ASKED YOUR, WHICH WAS, I'M SORRY, MARGARET, ASK YOUR QUESTION AGAIN.
I'LL BE SURE YOU GOT YOUR QUESTION ANSWERED.
MARGARET, YOU THERE, YOU, YOU MUTED OR WHAT? UM, YEAH, I WAS, I WAS MUTED.
I, UM, JUST TRYING TO PROPER, PROPER ZOOM ETIQUETTE.
YOU MUTE YOURSELF ALL DAY
I THINK THAT, THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE FLOODING INTO THE ROADWAY.
I THINK, UM, THE WATER IS GONNA BE ABSORBED IN THE COAL TECH AND IS GONNA, UM, PERCOLATE.
UM, AND IT'S NOT GONNA GO INTO THE BROOK OR INTO THE NEIGHBORS THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE.
I I JUST WANNA BE SURE MARGARET GOT A QUESTION.
YEAH, I THINK I, I DID HAVE ONE OF ANOTHER, TERRY.
LET'S SEE WHETHER OR NOT GEORGE OR LIZ OR NANCY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, OR LAUREN OR, UH, YOU KNOW, WHO, WHO, LET'S BE SURE NONE OF OUR POTENTIAL MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I, I JUST SAID I COULD BRING THE PLAN UP IF, IF WE NEED TO.
YEAH, I'M, I MEAN, UH, I MEAN, UH, LIZ, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? GEORGE? STEVE? SO, NO, I, I I DON'T HAVE NAME JUST GEORGE.
I ACTUALLY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT THE SITE TODAY, SO, UM, IT GAVE ME A BETTER, UH, UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP ON THE SCREEN.
IT LOOKS TO ME AS THOUGH, YOU KNOW, FROM A, A LAYMAN'S PERSPECTIVE, SOMEBODY AND EXPERIENCE THAT I, I CAN'T FORESEE ANY RUNOFF ISSUES.
UH, IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYTHING, ANY RUNOFF WATER WOULD BE CONTAINED.
IT'S BEEN A GREAT PRESENTATION.
STEVE OR NANCY, IF I JUST HAD ALI, GO AHEAD.
IF I HAD, I, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UM, THE PEOPLE PROPOSING THE PLAN, BUT IF I JUST HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT OPERATIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW WE, HOW WE MANAGE, IS THAT SOMETHING WE WILL DISCUSS AFTER? WELL, WE'LL ACTUALLY DIS PROBABLY DISCUSS IT NOW.
I THINK IN NEW, NORMALLY WHAT WE DO, THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT, IN SOME WAYS AT LEAST ENVIRONMENTALLY EASIER THAN SOME OF THE MORE COMPLEX ONES.
UM, SO WHAT WE'LL PROBABLY DO IS WE'LL JUST LOOK, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO WHAT'S PROPOSED? AND IN THIS CASE, IF WE'RE HAPPY WITH THE PLANTING AND WE'RE HAPPY WITH THE DESIGN IN TERMS OF ITS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, THEN WE WOULD TAKE A VOTE.
UM, SOMETIMES THE APPLICANT DECIDES TO STAY, SOMETIMES THE APPLICANT LEAVES.
THAT'S THE APPLICANT'S CHOICE.
UM, I DON'T, I THINK THE ONLY TIME WE MIGHT LIKE TRY AND GET THE APPLICANT OUT IS IF IT'S GONNA BE A REALLY KNOCKOUT KIND OF THING.
BUT, UM, I THINK WHEN WE HAVE, PROCEDURALLY, WHAT WE DO AT THIS POINT IS IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, UM, AND WE ARE PLEA, WE'RE SATISFIED WITH THE PLANTING PLAN, UM, THEN WE VOTE TO SEND IT ON WITH THE INDICATION THAT WE'RE SATISFIED WITH IT.
I MIGHT MAKE A COMMENT THAT THERE IS A NEED TO, UM, UH, CORRECT THE, UM, PLANTING, UH, TO REPLACE SHRUBS WITH TREES ON THOSE ITEMS. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, AT, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF JUST THE WETLANDS, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE COMMENTING ON THIS ONE, WE WOULD SAY WE HAVE NO FURTHER RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE, UM, FOR THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND WHAT IT USUALLY SAYS IS THAT YOU'RE GONNA, IT HAS TO, UH, HAS TO ALSO OBSERVE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WERE IN THE STAFF REPORT.
IT'S SORT OF A PRE PROFORMA THING, WHICH YOU'LL SEE NOW WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING MORE COMPLEX, WE MIGHT HAVE SEVERAL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE NOT
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IN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.UM, ADDITIONAL PLANTING
I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY LAWS IN PLACE REGARDING PLANTINGS, WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE TO BE NATIVE.
I KNOW THEY HAVE TO BE NATIVE ON TOWN LAND.
I WASN'T SURE WHAT THE REGULATIONS ARE FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
SO THE REQUIREMENT IS AT LEAST 50% NATIVE THAT'S IN THE CODE.
NOW IT'S IN THE TREE ORDINANCE.
AND WE, AS A MATTER OF POLICY EXTEND THAT IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT'S NOT SUBJECT TO THE TOWN TREE ORDINANCE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REMOVING ANYTHING.
HOWEVER, I ALWAYS PROMOTE NATIVES WHEN I SPEAK WITH AN APPLICANT.
SO THIS APPLICANT WAS MORE THAN AGREEABLE TO INCORPORATE NATIVES INTO ITS DESIGN.
I GUESS I WOULD ONLY ASK ABOUT THE FORIA A, A, A AND LIZ.
WE'VE NEVER REALLY, AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, I DON'T REMEMBER.
UM, I THINK AARON HAS BEEN PROMOTING THIS FOR, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO A DECADE.
I DON'T RECALL ANY, UM, SIGN ANY SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS THAT, UH, UH, SOME PEOPLE HAVE.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID THEY, UH, BECAUSE WE CAN NORMALLY FIND THAT ERIN HAS, UM, UM, IS THROUGH THE BROOKLYN BOTANICAL GARDEN AND, UH, PUBLICATION AND OTHERS, YOU KNOW, ERIN IS NORMALLY ABLE TO SUGGEST, UH, NATIVES THAT GIVE PEOPLE THE, UH, AESTHETICS AND GIVE THEM, OH, I KNOW ERIN ONLY VERSED AND KNOWS HIS NATIVES INSIDE AND OUT.
I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE FORIA THOUGH, THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT, THAT'S, THAT WAS SELECTED, UH, SPECIFICALLY BY THE APPLICANT.
SO I'LL LET THEM SPEAK TO THAT BEING THAT IT'S NOT NATIVE MR. ESCALADES.
ANY SPECIFIC REASON FOR THE FIA BUSH? I ALLOW A LOT OF ALIEN SPECIES.
I GUYS, IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT, BY ALL MEANS, YOU, YOU, WHATEVER YOU SUGGEST, I WILL EXCHANGE IT.
I, I WANT THE BOARD TO BE COMPLETELY SATISFIED AND, AND I WANNA BE RESPONSIVE TO WHATEVER COMMENTS THEY MAKE.
SO IF, IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU SUGGEST DIFFERENT SPECIES, WE WILL MAKE THE CHANGES AS PER THE BOARD.
DIANA, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE COMPARABLE, YOU CAN THINK OF, OR AARON, A LOT OF TIMES A SPICE BUSH IS USED INSTEAD OF THE FORIA.
IT'S A, IT'S A SIMILAR LOOKING SHRUB.
YOU'LL LEMME KNOW ONCE, I WILL LET YOU KNOW.
AND ALSO, I DID HAVE A QUESTION, SORRY, MIKE, UM, THAT THE PLANTING ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THE PROPOSED HOUSE AND THE BROOK, WAS IT YOUR INTENTION TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT A, A MULCHED AND PLANTED AREA? YES.
SO JUST WHEN YOU UPDATE THE PLAN WITH THE CHART AND TO SWAP OUT, INDICATE THAT FOR THE SPICE BUSH.
THE ONLY THING I WAS GONNA ADD, AARON, AND IS, UM, UH, TERRY, I'LL HAVE YOU DRAFT THIS, BUT WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD SAY THAT WE UNDERSTAND THERE MAY BE NOT THAT THERE IS, BUT THERE MAY BE A ZONING ISSUE.
AND IF THERE WERE A ZONING ISSUE, UH, WE'RE MAKING THIS RECOMMENDATION OR THE ASSUMPTION THAT NOTHING IN THE GRANTING OF THE VARIANCE WOULD ALTER, UH, THE PLANTING SCHEDULE THAT WE HAVE.
IF YOU WOULD DO THAT, THAT WORDAGE, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
YOU KNOW, I, I MEAN, 'CAUSE THIS, AND I MEAN, I I, IT'S HARD, IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE HOW ANY PROBLEM WOULD ARISE, BUT I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THERE ALL OF IT REQUIRE, I MEAN, IT MAY NOT REQUIRE A ZONING ISSUE.
I MEAN, IT MAY NOT REQUIRE VARIANCE, BUT IF IT IS, AND THERE WERE SOME CONDITIONS IN THERE THAT SOMEHOW AFFECTED THE PLANTING SCHEDULE, YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY WANT TO AT LEAST RE-LOOK AT IT.
IF YOU, IF YOU GET THAT TO ME, I'LL INCORPORATE IT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT WE NORMALLY DO, LIZ, IS AFTER, UM, IT'S FINISHED, I SEND IT AROUND FOR EVERYONE TO COMMENT ON YOU.
I HAVE ALL THE NAMES CORRECTLY, AND I HAVEN'T, UM, ALSO, UH, HAD ANY TYPOS OR ANYTHING ELSE, WHICH PERIODICALLY, MORE THAN, MORE OFTEN THAN I'M EMBARRASSED TO SAY HAPPENS, GET CAUGHT BY THE OTHER MEMBERS.
SO IT ALWAYS HELPS TO HAVE OTHER PEOPLE LOOKING AT IT.
UM, I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION.
UM, WHEN YOU SEE THE, THE PLAN HERE, UH, IS THAT A MINIMUM AMOUNT THAT THEY HAVE TO DO? LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE SERVICE BARRIER AT THE LAST MINUTE AND PUT A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SERVICE BARRIER IN? SO STEVE, NO.
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WITH THE APPROVAL OF, UH, UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICER, UH, UH, THEY'D HAVE TO GET AARON'S APPROVAL.I MEAN, THEY COULD PUT MORE PLANTINGS IN, BUT IF THEY WANT TO EXCHANGE, YOU KNOW, X FOR Y THEY HAVE TO GET AARON'S APPROVAL.
STEVE, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION THOUGH.
SOMEONE WILL SPECIFY A CERTAIN PLANT MATERIAL AND THEN AT THE TIME OF PLANTING, THEY GO TO A NURSERY OR MULTIPLE NURSERIES AND CAN'T FIND THE PLANT, THEY'LL REACH OUT TO MY OFFICE AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE SEARCHED FAR AND WIDE FOR, FOR THIS SPECIES, WE REALLY WANTED TO PLANT IT.
WE'VE SPOKEN WITH THE NURSERY INDIVIDUAL.
THEY HAVE SPECIES THAT ARE COMPARABLE THOUGH DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, WILL YOU ACCEPT THIS? AND THEN WE TAKE A RECORD OF IT AND WE REVIEW IT, AND IF IT'S ACCEPTABLE, WE'LL SIGN OFF.
BUT IT WAS A GOOD QUESTION, ALAN, JUST TO TOUCH ON THAT, WE HAVE THE PROJECT OF THE CHURCH.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT PARTICULAR CHOICE WITH YOU BECAUSE OF WHAT WE ARE SEEING BETWEEN THE TWO PLAY AREAS.
SO I, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MEETING ON SITE SO THAT YOU CAN GUIDE US THROUGH THE OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE.
I'LL BE IN TOMORROW, SO YOU CAN REACH OUT.
AND NOW ON THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PROJECT FOR, UM, CLARENDON ROAD, I'D LIKE A A, I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT WE WILL, LIKE, WE'RE APPROVING IT TO GO FORWARD, MIKE IS GOING TO PUT A, WITH THE CHANGES IN PRIMARILY IN THE DOCUMENTATION, BUT ALSO REPLACING THE SPICE BUSH, THE FAIA WITH SPICE BUSH.
AND MIKE IS GOING TO PUT A, A CAVEAT IN THERE THAT HAS TO DO WITH IT.
SHOULD IT HAVE BE THE ZONING VARIANCE? WITH ALL OF THOSE FACTORS BEING CONSIDERED, WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO PROPOSE WHO ISN'T A, A ALREADY, UM, APPOINTED MEMBER MOVE TO HAVE THIS ACCEPTED AND GO FORWARD TO THE PLANNING BOARD? UM, SO, SO MOVED.
SO IT'S GONNA GO FORWARD TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
OKAY, SO THE NEXT THING WE HAVE COMING UP, I CAN LEAVE NOW GUYS, RIGHT? YES, YOU CAN.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY, BUT YOU CAN GOING, OH, NO, NO.
OKAY, SO NEXT THING WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IS ELMWOOD, WHICH THIS WEEK, THE ELMWOOD APPLICANT CAME BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
AND JUST FOR OUR POTENTIAL MEMBERS, JUST A LITTLE RECAP.
ELMWOOD WAS A GOLF COURSE ON DPPS FERRY ROAD, AND IT WAS CLOSED OUT AND SOMEONE BOARD IT.
AND THE GENTLEMAN WHOSE ORGANIZATION BOARD IT, UH, OBVIOUSLY IS A CORPORATION.
WHAT THEY DO IS THEY DEVELOP PROPERTY AND GET ALL OF THE, UH, PERMITS AND APPROVALS IN PLACE, AND THEN THEY SELL IT TO SOMEONE ELSE TO ACTUALLY DO THE BUILD.
AND, UM, HE HAD COME IN AND HE WAS LOOKING TO BUILD, UM, HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE OVER 55.
THEY WERE TO BE TOWNHOUSES, UM, VERY LARGE UNITS WITH FOUR PARKING SPACES.
AND THESE PEOPLE OVER 55 WERE NOT GONNA USE THEIR CARS.
UH, AND THEN AMAZINGLY, LIKE 60% OF THE UNITS WERE ONLY GONNA HAVE ONE PERSON.
THERE WERE, THERE WERE SOME OF THE STATS THAT WERE JUST AS SOMEONE WHO WAS WELL OVER 55, I FOUND ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.
AND I
I MEAN, HELL, I CAN BARELY WALK UP ONE STORY WITH MY BONE ON BONE.
THERE WERE THREE STORIES, THREE BEDROOMS AND FOUR PARKING LOTS.
AND ONLY ONE PERSON WAS GONNA LIVE IN.
AND AND THEY WERE GONNA, THEY WERE GONNA BUY THIS AS A NEW OPTION.
IT WASN'T LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO WAS IN A HOUSE AND WAS STAYING THERE.
SO AT ANY RATE, HE'S COME BACK NOW.
AND OF COURSE THERE WERE NUMEROUS, UM, PRESENTATIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY.
BOTH THE PROPERTY IS, IS ZONED R 20 AND R 30, AND PART OF IT LIES IN THE ELMSFORD SCHOOL DISTRICT.
THE MAJORITY OF IT LIES IN THE GREENBERG CENTRAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
BOTH SCHOOL DISTRICTS INDICATED THAT THEY PREFERRED THAT IT BE BUILT AS ZONED, WHICH IS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WHICH WOULD SEND CHILDREN INTO THE SCHOOLS.
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UH, CAME AND SAID THEY ALSO THOUGHT IT SHOULD BE BILLED AS ZONED BECAUSE THIS, THE APPLICANT WAS REQUESTING A MUCH GREATER DENSITY.AND WHAT HE WAS REQUESTING WAS REALLY NOT IN LINE WITH WESTCHESTER COUNTY'S VISION, WHICH IS THE FURTHER AWAY YOU COME FROM THE MAIN ARTERIALS, LIKE ONE 19 OR CENTRAL AVENUE.
AT THAT POINT, THE, AS YOU GO FURTHER AND FURTHER AWAY, THE LOTS GET LARGER AND THE, AND THINGS GET LESS DENSE.
AND COURSE ONE OF THE THINGS IS TO KEEP ALL THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY ON THE ARTERIALS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE MIX OF COMMERCIAL AND, UM, RESIDENTIAL THAT YOU SEE IN SOME SUBURBS, WHICH SORT OF DESTROYS THE SUBURBAN SEAL.
SO THERE WAS, THERE WERE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF REASONS.
AND THEN THE OTHER REASON WAS COMING OUTTA THE MASTER PLAN.
UM, ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS WITHIN IN THE COMMUNITY IS THAT, UM, THESE WOULD'VE BEEN CONDOMINIUMS. AND CONDOMINIUMS DO NOT GET TAXED AT THE SAME PROCESS RATE AS A A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
THEY ARE PRO TAXED AS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND THE TAX RATE IS LESS.
SO THIS AND, AND IS ALSO A WELL, UM, NET HOUSING NEED IN THE GREENBERG CENTRAL SCHOOL DISTRICT, OVER ABOUT 50% OF THE HOUSING IN THE GREENBERG SCHOOL DISTRICT OF THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSING IS IN CO-OPS OF CONDOMINIUMS. SO THIS IS NOT AN UNFULFILLED NEED IN TERMS OF A HOUSING TYPE IN THE AREA.
AS A MATTER OF FACT POINT OF FACT, THIS GOES BACK TO WHEN THE MASTER PLAN WAS DONE.
NONE OF THE NINE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT MANAGED TO COME IN TO PIECES OF COME INTO THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, ALL OF THOSE SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE A MINIMUM OF 30% OR MORE THAT IS IN CONDOMINIUMS OF CO-OPS.
SO IT ISN'T EVEN AN UNDERSERVED TYPE OF HOUSING IN THE AREA.
SO FOR ALL OF THESE REASONS, THERE HAS BEEN RESISTANCE TO THIS, THE BIGGEST ONE BEING THE INCREASE IN DENSITY, WHICH WOULD CAUSE MORE TRAFFIC.
NOW, THE APPLICANT ORIGINALLY SAID, WELL, BECAUSE THESE WERE GONNA BE ALL THE OLD FOGIES, THEY WEREN'T GONNA BE DRIVING THEIR CARS, SO THERE WOULDN'T BE AS MUCH TRAFFIC.
WELL, HE CAME BACK TO THE, TO THE TOWN BOARD NOW, AND HE WANTS TO DO 175 TOWNHOUSES, WHICH IS STILL WAY ABOVE THE, I BELIEVE IT'S 131 HOUSES THAT WOULD GO IN THERE AS SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES.
UM, I, 1919, I'M SORRY, I'M PUSHING IT, IT THE 47% INCREASE IN DENSITY.
AND HE'S SAYING, OH, WELL WE CAN FIX IT AND HAVE, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE IT SO THAT IT'S, UH, FEE SIMPLE AND THAT THEY'LL PAY THE FULL TAX AND HE'LL BUILD THE PARK.
AND HE, HE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THE QUESTION.
THE QUESTION ON THAT IS, NUMBER ONE, IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED THAT, UM, IN TERMS OF HE HAS BEEN RELUCTANT TO PRESENT A PRESENTATION WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES SHOWING THE 16 ACRES BEING GIVEN TO THE TOWN.
NOW, ACCORDING TO TOWN LORE, HE, IF THE TOWN WANTS LAND, WHICH THE COMMISSIONER OF, UH, PARKS AND RECREATION HAS INDICATED HE WANTS LAND, NOT THE ESCROW FUND PAYMENT, HE HAD, THE DEVELOPER HAS TO GIVE IT TO HIM.
SO HE HIT, AND THE DEVELOPER HAD TO DATE, HAS NOT PREVENT PRESENTED A SINGLE HOME SCENARIO SHOWING THOSE 16 ACRES BEING DEVOTED TO PARK.
NOW, HE HAS SAID HE WILL DEVELOP THE PARK, WHICH WOULD BE ADDED ON TOP OF IT WITH HIS 175 HOMES, BUT THAT'S ALWAYS WILL IT ACTUALLY HAPPEN.
UM, THE OTHER THING WAS THAT, UM, NOW THAT HE'S GOING TO HAVE THESE SEVEN A HUNDRED SEVENTY FIVE TOWN HOMES, BUT WITH NO AGE RESTRICTION, SUDDENLY THESE TOWN HOMES ARE NOT GONNA HAVE, WHEN THEY HAVE PEOPLE OF ALL DIFFERENT AGES IN THERE, SOMEHOW THE TRAFFIC NOW IS NOT A PROBLEM BECAUSE, SO IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME BECAUSE IF BEFORE WHEN YOU HAD FAMILIES IN THE HOUSE AND, AND YOU HAD, UM, BECAUSE YOU HAD OLD PEOPLE, YOU HAD LESS TRAFFIC.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW NOW IF YOU DON'T HAVE OLD PEOPLE, YOU DON'T, DON'T HAVE MORE TRAFFIC.
I'M HAVING A PROBLEM WITH THAT ONE.
CAN I ASK TERRY, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SURE.
SO HAS IT, HOW DID HE FLIP IT TO FEE SIMPLE AND, WELL, THIS IS AN ISSUE, PATRICK, THIS IS AN ISSUE BECAUSE IT, IT BECOMES ONE OF THOSE THINGS OF, IT'S ALL IN HOW YOU DO THE DEEDING.
AND I ACTUALLY HAVE A PROJECT HERE.
I'M HOPING THAT LAUREN AND STEVEN, SINCE WE, WE'VE BEEN GIVING OUT PROJECTS TO PEOPLE, I KNOW LIZ HAS HAD A BIG PROJECT FOR US.
SO I'M KIND OF HOPING THE TWO OF YOU WILL DO THIS PROJECT
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BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING.UM, THE APPLICANT'S LAWYER SAID, OH, WE'LL PUT IT IN THE DEEDED AND IT'LL BE FINE.
THE DEEDED WILL TAKE CARE OF IT.
UM, OF COURSE, AS MIKE LIKES TO SAY, UM, THE APPLICANT'S LAWYER ON ANOTHER SITE HAD MADE A RECOMMENDATION ABOUT, UM, SOMETHING THAT HAD TO DO WITH ZONING AND IT TURNED OUT THAT HE WAS INCORRECT.
UM, SO THIS IS JUST BECAUSE HE SAYS IT, IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S TRUE.
SO WHAT I'M GONNA ASK LAUREN AND STEVE, AND MAYBE YOU CAN COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER VIA EMAIL AND WORK TOGETHER, THERE WAS A PROJECT IN DOBBS FERRY CALLED THE LANDING.
AND THE LANDING ORIGINALLY WAS FEE SIMPLE, AND THEY WENT AND MADE THEMSELVES INTO A CONDOMINIUM AND GOT A HUGE TAX REDUCTION.
SO FOR THE NEXT MEETING, COULD YOU GUYS GOOGLE OR DO WHATEVER YOU CAN SEE IF YOU CAN GET AHOLD OF THE, UM, ENTERPRISE, I THINK IS THE PAPER OVER ON THE RIVER TOWNS AS THE EQUIVALENT TO THE SCARSDALE ENQUIRER AND SEE WHAT YOU CAN FIND OUT ABOUT THAT AND REPORT BACK TO US AS TO HOW THEY WENT ABOUT DOING IT AND HOW THEY GOT A GOT TO DO IT.
BECAUSE IT'S INTERESTING THAT WE HAVE A, A SITUATION WHERE WE KNOW THIS HAS HAPPENED SO THAT IF ONE OF THE, LEMME LET, LET, LEMME JUST GIVE SOME CON LET ME JUST, UH, SUPPLEMENT WHAT TERRY SAID.
THE TOWN CODE PROVIDES ON TWO ASPECTS.
THE TOWN CODE PROVIDES THAT IF YOU HAVE A SUBDIVISION AND PART OF WHAT, WHETHER YOU BUILD 119 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR 175 TOWNHOUSES, YOU ARE SUBDIVIDING A MASS LAND.
I FORGET HOW MANY ACRES OR UH, ELMWOOD HAS, UH, TERRY, UH, FIVE OR SOMETHING, I DUNNO, IT'S SOMEWHERE AND 1000, 506 ACRES.
SO YOU'RE SUBDIVIDING OVER A HUNDRED ACRES INTO EITHER 119 SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES OR 175 TOWNHOUSES.
NOW, TOWN CODE PROVIDES WHEN YOU SUBDIVIDE OR, OR AT LEAST CERTAIN LARGER SUBDIVISIONS, YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DONATION OF LAND TO THE TOWN FOR PARKS.
AND, UM, HOWEVER, IF THE TOWN BOARD AGREED YOU CAN GIVE MONEY INSTEAD OF LAND, BUT THE COMMISSIONER OF, UH, PARKS AND REC, JERRY BURNS IS HIGHLY RESPECTED.
THE TOWN SAYS HE WANTS PARKLAND BECAUSE, UH, HE DOESN'T WANT MONEY BECAUSE THERE'S SO FEW PLACES FOR FUTURE FIELDS, UH, IN GREENBURG.
AND THESE WOULD BE FIELDS THAT KIDS COULD PLAY ON, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE.
SO THAT'S ONE ASPECT OF IT, AND THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE TOWN CODE GENESIS OF THIS ISSUE.
NOW, THE OTHER IS, AS TERRY POINTED OUT, AND THIS IS NUTTY, BUT AS TERRY POINTED OUT, IT, UNDER STATE LAW, THE REAL ESTATE TAXES ON CONDOMINIUMS ARE NOT THE SAME AS REAL ESTATE FAMILY ON SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES.
AND THE I, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT NEXT EXPERT ON THIS, CONDOMINIUMS PLAY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 40 TO 60% OF WHAT A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE WOULD PAY.
SO THEREFORE THERE'S A HUGE HIT, UH, UM, FOR A CONDOMINIUM IN TERMS OF MONEY GOING TO THE TOWN, WHO THE TOWN IS PROVIDED THE SAME SERVICES IN TERMS OF, UH, WHAT THEY PROVIDE TO SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
THEY'RE PROVIDING THE SAME SERVICES TO, UH, UM, SOMEONE THAT'S LIVING IN A, A CONDOMINIUM.
UM, BUT TOWN'S ONLY GETTING 40 TO 60%, UH, OF THE, OF, OF THE BUCKS, YOU KNOW, FROM THE CONDOMINIUM.
AND THE SAME THING FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
AND THE SAME THING FROM THE, THE FIRE DISTRICTS ARE GETTING THE SAME FIRE PROTECTION.
UH, THE SCHOOL IS AVAILABLE WHETHER YOU LIVE IN A, A CONDOMINIUM OR A, UH, OR SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE TOWN, THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, THE FIRE DISTRICTS, UH, THEY'RE ALL GETTING, YOU KNOW, 40 TO 60% OF THE REVENUE OF SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE WILL.
NOW THE LAWYER FOR THE APPLICANT SAYS, OH, WE WILL PUT IN THE DEED THAT WE'RE GONNA BE FEE SIMPLE MEANS IT'S, IT'S JUST A LEGAL TERM.
IT'S AN ONLY ENGLISH LEGAL TERM, BUT IT MEANS IT'LL BE TREATED LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
BUT THE THE OH, THE LEGAL TERM IS, IS, IS FEE SIMPLE.
AND, UM, THE QUESTION TERRY RAISED IS REALLY CRUCIAL FOR US, WHICH IS THAT, UH, UM, IF YOU PUT IT IN THE DEEDED THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE TREATED LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE,
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CAN YOU GO TO COURT LATER ON AND CHANGE IT AND BECOME A CONDOMINIUM? 'CAUSE IF SO, YOU'RE TAKING, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF MONEY AWAY FROM THE TOWN AND A BUNCH OF MONEY AWAY FROM THE FIRE DISTRICTS AND A BUNCH OF MONEY AWAY FROM THE SCHOOLS.NOW WE HAVE ONE SITUATION AND WHAT RAISES THIS QUESTION IS, UH, ONE, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY OF, OF, WELL, YOU KNOW, UM, APPLICANT'S LAWYERS, UH, REPRESENT, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T REPRESENT THE PUBLIC GOOD.
APPLICANT'S LAWYERS HAVE A CLIENT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE REPRESENTING A CLIENT.
THAT'S JUST THE WAY THE SYSTEM WORKS.
AND SECONDLY, UH, WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE, UM, THERE WAS, UH, A PROPERTY THAT WAS OWNED BY THE ARCHDIOCESE OF NEW YORK, WHICH, UH, WAS A, A SMALL INCUMBENT FOR, FOR NUNS, UH, HAD A, UM, RESTRICTION IN THEIR FAVOR TO PREVENTED A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY FROM HAVING A MULTIFAMILY, UH, STRUCTURE.
AND, UH, THAT GOT WIPED OUT IN A, IN A COURT PROCEED.
SO WE WANT TO BE SURE THAT, UH, WE'D LIKE TO KNOW KIND OF WHAT HAPPENED OVER, WHERE WAS THE LANDINGS, TERRY? WHAT TOWN WAS THAT IN? STOPS IN THE LANDINGS? I THINK THEY WENT CONDOMINIUM PROBABLY WITHIN THE LAST TWO YEARS.
I THINK IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S BEYOND MAYBE THREE YEARS.
THEY WERE BUILT PROBABLY, OH, MAYBE 10 YEARS AGO OR MORE.
BUT THEY, THEY WERE BUILT THAT THEY WERE FEE SIMPLE, AND THEN THEY CAME BACK AND THEY GOT TOGETHER AND SAID, OH, WE CAN MAKE OURSELVES A CONDOMINIUM AND CUT OUR TAXES IN HANDS.
AND HOW DO, HOW DO YOU STOP IT? I, I JUST, TO ME IT'S JUST LIKE A TRANS WELL, WE HAVE STEVE DO SOME RESEARCH.
THE ONE THING I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST, TERRY, IF UH, YOU DON'T MIND, AND IF NANCY DOESN'T MIND, UM, STEVE AND LAUREN, UH, UH, NANCY'S, UH, UM, A LAWYER.
AND I WONDER IF NANCY, SINCE IT SAYS IT'S IN LEGAL ASPECTS, WOULD YOU MIND NANCY, WORKING WITH STEVE AND LAUREN? YOU'RE, YOU'RE MUTED.
I WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH STEVE ON THIS.
UH, AND UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THIS WILL, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE THERE COULD BE, I THINK THERE'S A COURT CASE AS NANCY.
I THINK THERE PROBABLY WAS A, A COURT CASE ON IT AND IT'LL BE, I'M, I'M SURE, I'M SURE THE VILLAGE OF DOBBS FERRY DIDN'T SAY, SURE, WE'LL LET YOU CUT YOUR TAXES IN HALF,
I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE ANY MUNICIPALITIES NOT TRYING TO CHALLENGE IT.
SO IT'LL BE EASIER FOR NANCY TO, TO GET THE OPINION, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, AND UH, AND ALSO IF THERE'S LEGAL JUNK IN THE OPINION, UH, YOU KNOW, NANCY CAN WORK THROUGH IT WITH, UH, WITH STEVE AND LAUREN.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING, UM, ONE OF THE OTHER SUGGESTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, MIKE WAS THINKING ABOUT IS THAT MAYBE BECAUSE OF THE, THE OTHER THING THE APPLICANT REPRESENTED RATHER WAS, UM, THAT THIS, THIS ARRANGEMENT FOR THE 175 TOWNHOUSES WAS GOING TO BE FINANCIALLY BETTER THAN THE 119 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
NOW, HE WAS SAYING THAT HIS TOWNHOUSES WOULD SELL AT ABOUT $800,000.
UM, IN POINT OF FACT, IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA ACROSS STOPS FERRY ROAD FROM WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS, THE HOUSES THAT ARE BEING BUILT ON THE R 20 AND THE R 30 LOTS ARE SELLING FROM MORE THAN A MILLION DOLLARS.
SO THERE IS SOME QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER HIS FIGURES IN TERMS OF SAYING THAT THE MUNICIPALITIES WOULD GET MORE MONEY WHEN THEY AUTHORIZED THE DENSITY, WHICH I DON'T ALSO PERSONALLY DON'T THINK IS A REASON TO VIOLATE THE DENSITY.
'CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WITH THE DENSITY IS, IS YOU GET MORE CARS, YOU GET MORE, UH, EXHAUST FUMES, YOU UM, YOU JUST GENERALLY HAVE A DIMINISHING OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE, USE MORE RESOURCES, THERE'S MORE RESOURCES THAT THE
THE WHOLE THING IS JUST ENVIRONMENTALLY MORE OF AN IMPACT THAN THE HOMES WOULD BE.
AND, AND I HAVE A PET THING WHERE I BELIEVE WHEN YOU HAVE THE HOMES, PEOPLE TEND TO PLANT MORE TREES THAN WHEN YOU JUST HAVE A CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX 'CAUSE, BUT PEOPLE HAVE A LOT THAT SIZE.
THEY TEND TO BORDER IT WITH TREES.
A NORTH 30 LOT IS A BIG LOT AND THAT PEOPLE IN OUR 30 NEIGHBORHOODS TEND TO, TO HAVE BUFFER BORDERS BETWEEN THEIR PROPERTIES.
AND I CAN, I CAN I, TERRY CAN I SUGGEST THIS, UM,
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YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TWO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT, I MEAN, OF THE C H C THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, QUITE EXPERT IN, IN FISCAL MATTERS, YOU KNOW, THAT BEING, UM, MARGARET AND GEORGE, UM, WOULD MARGARET AND GEORGE MIND TAKING A LOOK AT, UM, I DON'T THINK IT HAS BEEN SENT OUT TO EVERYONE OR JUST ME AND TERRY, BUT THERE IS, THERE IS ABOUT AN EIGHT PAGE ANALYSIS SHOWING HOW, UM, UM, YOU GET MORE MONEY FROM CONDOS THAN YOU GET FROM SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WHICH IS COUNTER COUNTERINTUITIVE.I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT TRUE, BUT IT'S COUNTERINTUITIVE.
UH, GEORGE AND MARGARET, WOULD Y'ALL MIND TAKING A LOOK AT THAT? IT, I DON'T.
WHERE, WHERE, WHERE IS THE, WHERE IS THAT DOC? WHERE IS IT? IT'S ON THE TOWN WEBSITE, BUT WE CAN SEND IT TO YOU.
I HAVE A COPY OF IT, SO I'LL SEND
GEORGE, IS THAT, WOULD YOU MARGARET, ON THAT? THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.
THIS IS, I MEAN THIS IS SOMETHING, UM, I MEAN WE HAVE A LOT OF UNIQUE TALENTS ON THE C A C AND, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IS CRUCIAL.
AND AS TO WHETHER OR NOT, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING ZONING BY, I'M SORRY, INCREASING DENSITY BY 47%, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, IT IS BEING TOLD, OH, IT'S GOOD FOR THE TOWN.
UH, THAT'S KIND OF IMPORTANT TO BE SURE IT REALLY IS GOOD FOR THE TOWN.
YOU KNOW, I I THINK ONE OF THE BIG THINGS IS, IS, IS KIND OF FIGURING OUT WHAT, WHAT NUMBER THEY USE FOR THE HOUSES BECAUSE, UM, WE KNOW THAT THE HOUSES IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA ARE SELLING, YOU KNOW, I THINK PRETTY MUCH ALL THE NEW ONES THAT HAVE GONE OUT HAVE GONE OUT FOR, FOR OVER A MILLION IN THAT AREA.
SO IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT NUMBER ARE THEY USING ON THE HOUSES? AND THEN WHAT DO WE LAND UP WITH AS A NET NET GAIN ON THIS IF WE, IF WE'RE REALLY USING THE RIGHT FIGURES, YOU KNOW, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TO WHAT DEGREE, WHAT TO WHAT DEGREE DO YOU DO THIS ENVIRONMENTAL HARM? AND WHAT ARE YOU REALLY GETTING IN THE END FINANCIALLY AT, AT THE END OF THE DAY? SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AND OVER ABOVE ALL OF THIS, WE HAVE THE ISSUE OF, YOU KNOW, THE PRESIDENTIAL, THE PRESIDENTIAL IMPACT OF, UM, INCREASING IT, UM, INCREASING DENSITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING TERRY AND I HAVE BEEN WORRYING ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME.
WE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF GOLF COURSES AND RECREATIONAL FACILITIES THAT, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY THAT, UM, WONDERFUL FACILITIES, BUT, YOU KNOW, LIFE CHANGES AND LESS PEOPLE ARE MEMBERS OF THE SWIM CLUB.
LIKE IN MAPLEWOOD, LESS PEOPLE ARE MEMBERS OF GOLF COURSES.
WE SEE GOLF COURSES SELLING OFF PARTS OF THE LAND.
LIKE, UH, NO, UH, LEASING IT LIKE NO WOOD OR SELLING IT OFF LIKE, UH, METROPOLIS OR ACTUALLY JUST GOING OUT OF BUSINESS LIKE, UM, UM, UM, ELMWOOD, ELMWOOD, YOU KNOW.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU INCREASE THE DENSITY 45, 40 7% AT ELMWOOD, HOW DO YOU TELL SOMEONE THEY CAN'T INCREASE THE DENSITY SOMEPLACE ELSE? THAT'S, THAT'S ZONING DISCRIMINATION, UH, WHICH IS NOT ALLOWED.
SO YOU HAVE TO TREAT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, SIMILARLY SITUATED, UH, UM, UM, ECONOMIC LAND USE PROPOSALS SIMILARLY, I MEAN, WHICH, WHICH IS FAIR.
I MEAN, NOT THAT CERTAINLY NO ONE SUBJECT TO THAT, BUT YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF, OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
SO, UM, SO THE, THERE'S THE, IN THE LONG RUN, THERE ARE TWO THINGS.
THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS WE'RE KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT.
ONE IS, IS IT REALLY TRUE THE TOWNS CAN GET A BENEFIT? AND SECONDLY, KIND OF THE MORE LONG RANGE IS YOU, WHAT'S THE LONG RANGE IMPACT WHEN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG WHEN WE HAVE, UM, UM, THESE, I FORGET, WE HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT, SEVEN THINK 700 ACRES IS STICKING IN MY MIND, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT, IT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE OPEN SPACE.
AMOUNT OF, UH, OPEN SPACE TIED UP IN, IN FACIL IN, UH, IN FACILITIES THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TWO HARD DAY CAMPS.
I MEAN, YOU DON'T THINK ABOUT IT.
THERE'S MO WALK DAY CAMP AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE OFF OF CENTRAL AVENUE.
SO WE HAVE SO MANY FACILITIES THAT ARE LARGE FACILITIES THAT ARE POTENTIAL THINGS TO BE DEVELOPED.
SO THIS, THIS THING OF PRECEDENT IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE AS IT IS CURRENTLY OUR ROADS ARE IMPASSABLE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT,
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UH, PROBLEMS THAT, ASIDE FROM ANY EXPENSES, WHEN THE GREENBERG CENTRAL SCHOOL DISTRICT PUT THEIR BOND FORWARD AND THEY WERE HAVING A BOAT ON THE BOND, THE BOND WENT DOWN AS MUCH BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC ISSUES RELATED TO WHAT WAS PROPOSED AS THE COST.BECAUSE THERE WERE ALL SORTS OF ISSUES OF HOW, HOW THE BUSES WERE GONNA GET THROUGH IF THEY CAME IN ON, UM, THE
SO WE WE'RE AT OUR TIPPING POINT IN TERMS OF THE ROADS AND WE, WE'LL GET TO THE POINT WHERE IT JUST BECOMES IMPOSSIBLE TO MOVE AROUND.
SO THAT IS A REAL ISSUE FOR ALL OF US.
SO I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GREAT PLAN THAT WE'LL HAVE A REALLY GOOD, UM, RESEARCH ON THIS.
UM, THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING.
IT WAS A VERY INTERESTING TOWN BOARD MEETING.
THE ROCK CAME OUT THAT IT KIND OF AFFECTED US.
AND THE NEXT THING IS TO TALK ABOUT, AND I HAVE TO KEEP MIKE UNDER CONTROL ON THIS ONE BECAUSE HE'S, UM, THE C A C HAS BEEN ASKED PROBABLY THREE TIMES IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.
AND THEN THEY CAME BACK AFTER OUR THIRD VERY LENGTHLY RESEARCH AND MARGARET IS SHAKING HER HEAD 'CAUSE SHE DID SO MUCH OF THAT RESEARCH, MARGARET HOURS.
NO, MARGARET MUST HAVE SPENT 200 HOURS ON THE RESEARCH THAT WAS PUT 20 PAGE REPORT TO THE TOWN BOARD AT THE BEGINNING OF 2018.
AND YOU KNOW, NO ONE HAS DISPUTED ONE IOTA OF THE RESEARCH.
NO ONE HAS SAID THE NUMBER OF FEET THAT THIS STUFF LIES IN THE AIR, THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT'S THERE, THE HARM NO ONE HAS FOUND.
AND, AND THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE OUT THERE GUNNING FOR IT.
NO ONE HAS FOUND ANYTHING WRONG THING WRONG WITH MARGARET'S RESEARCH OR WITH PETER'S RESEARCH WHEN HE LOOKED AT TO THE 306 BLOWERS THAT HAVE AVAILABLE TO MARKET HERE.
SO, SO THEY BASICALLY, IN 2018, NOTHING HAPPENED.
'CAUSE THEY COULDN'T COME UP WITH ANY, AND THEY CAME BACK TO US.
THAT'S WHY, FOR FOURTH BITE OF THE APPLE.
AND WE WERE SAYING, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY, YOU KNOW, NOTHING'S CHANGED.
THE, THE SCIENCE HASN'T CHANGED.
AND WITH THAT GO ROUND, JUST TO SHARE WITH SOME OF OUR NEWER PEOPLE, UM, SOMEONE WHO WAS OUR ALTERNATE MEMBER, PETER GUGGENHEIMER, HE AND HIS SON RESEARCHED EVERY BLOWER AVAILABLE IN THE AREA AT THE TIME, WENT THROUGH THEIR SPECS.
AND WE BASICALLY DEMONSTRATED AND PROVED THAT EXCEPT FOR FIVE ELECTRIC BLOWERS, EVERY ELECTRIC BLOWER ON THE MARKET WAS AS NOISY, DID AS MUCH HARM AS THE GASOLINE BLOWERS.
SO THE ISSUE WAS DEFINITELY, NOW YOU CAN'T LOOK FOR AN ELECTRIC BLOWER SOLUTION.
SO WE CAME BACK ONCE AGAIN, WORKED VERY HARD, REALLY FOCUSED ON THE TIME OF YEAR WHEN WE REALLY FELT, AND WE HAVE QUITE A FEW SERIOUS GARDENERS IN THE GROUP THAT YOU JUST DIDN'T NEED A BLOWER IN IN THE SUMMER MONTHS.
AND WE CAME BACK AND MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
AND WE ALSO GOT, DID MORE RESEARCH.
UM, AND ALSO WE WAS CONNECTED WITH SOMEONE, UH, DR.
WILLIAMS FAITH, WHO HAS DONE RESEARCH FOR THE GOVERNMENT, HAS, HAS, YOU KNOW, PRESENTED BEFORE NEW YORK CITY, PHILADELPHIA ON THE HARM OF, UH, POLLUTANTS IN THE AIR.
AND HE'S AN ADVISOR TO THE, UH, U S C P A.
HE'S A HARVARD EDUCATED PHYSICIAN.
HE TEACHES, UM, UH, AT THE, UH, HE HAS A PHYSICIAN'S PRACTICE, UH, AND HE, UM, UH, HE TEACHES AT THE HOFS HOFSTRA SCHOOL OF, UH, PUBLIC HEALTH.
I MEAN, AND HE, YOU KNOW,
AND IT WAS LEFT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SAID, WELL, THIS IS WHAT WE RECOMMEND YOU DO AND THIS IS ALL THE REASONS WHY.
AND IT KIND OF WAS LAID IN LIMBO SINCE, I GUESS AROUND JANUARY.
AND IT CAME UP, UM, AT WEDNESDAY NIGHT'S TOWN BOARD MEETING.
AND THE TOWN BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION AMONG THEMSELVES TALKING WAS THAT THE SOLUTION WOULD BE TO CREATE WHAT MIKE LIKES TO CALL POLLUTION DAYS.
SO ON A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DAYS A WEEK, PEOPLE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO USE BLOWERS.
NOW THE PRO, THE LOGIC OF THIS IS YOU'VE DONE NOTHING TO MINIMIZE ANY OF THE HARMFUL EFFECTS OF THE BLOWERS.
THE POLLUTANTS WILL STILL BE BLOWN INTO THE AIR.
THE STORM WILL STILL BE DAMAGED AND THE NOISE WILL STILL BE THERE.
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TO POINT OUT, UM, NOW YOU'LL HAVE AND ON A GIVEN DAY, TWICE THE NOISE, TWICE THE POLLUTION, TWICE THE SOIL DAMAGE.AND MY HYDRO, HYDRO CHILDREN THANK YOU.
YEAH, I, I, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BEFORE I SENT THE EMAIL OUT, I DISTRIBUTED, WELL, AARON, I MAY NOT HAVE SENT IT TO YOU.
I'LL SEND IT TO YOU BEFORE I, UM, UM, SENT THIS EMAIL OUT.
I SAID, YOU KNOW THIS, I COULD BE WRONG.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A, NOT A PHYSICIAN, I'M NOT A EXPERT IN PUBLIC HEALTH.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WHEN YOU CONCENTRATE, UM, UH, I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE LAW ABOUT YOU CAN ONLY USE IT ON EVERY OTHER DAY, OR YOU USE IT, YOU KNOW, MONDAY, WEDNESDAY AND FRIDAY OR TUESDAY, THURSDAY, SATURDAY, OR WHATEVER.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT CUTS DOWN THE USE OF BLOWERS.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE APPROXIMATELY THE SAME AMOUNT OF BLOWERS BEING USED.
I SAID, IT MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE NOISE.
UH, IT MEAN MORE PROPERTIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE GOING HAVE NOISE AT ONE TIME BECAUSE YOU'RE CONCENTRATING AND AS OPPOSED TO SPREADING IT OUT.
AND AS TERRY POINTS OUT, IT'S GENERALLY UNDERSTOOD THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LONGER YOU HEAR, YOU KNOW, HIGH DECIMAL NOISE, UM, ABOVE WHAT THE E P A SAYS YOU SHOULD BE HEARING, WHICH IS 55, AND ALL OF THESE THINGS ALL BUT FIVE OUT OF 206 ABOVE 55, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WORST IT IS FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR ANNOYANCE AND FOR YOUR HEALTH.
AND IT ALSO MAKES SENSE THAT YOU GOT MORE PEOPLE USING IT ON CERTAIN DAYS.
YOU GOT MORE THIS CRAP IN THE AIR AND IT'S, YOU'RE GONNA INHALE IT IN YOUR BODIES.
AND THERE ARE THREE GROUPS THAT, UH, ARE PARTICULARLY SUSCEPTIBLE TO THIS.
AND, UM, UH, UH, ONE IS, UH, KIDS AND THE OTHER IS OLD FOLKS LIKE ME, AND THE OTHER IS PEOPLE OF AN AFRICAN AMERICAN HERITAGE.
AND, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? YOU'RE GONNA LET PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY WANT TO HAVE THESE UNNATURAL LAWN, YOU'RE GONNA THEN MAKE IT DANGEROUS FOR, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF OTHER RESIDENTS.
FAITH, HE CALLED ME RIGHT BACK.
AND, AND SO I SAID, LET ME READ YOU THE EMAIL.
'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA SAY ANYTHING THAT'S NOT, UM, NOT RIGHT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TRYING TO CAUSE A PROBLEM.
BUT, UH, THIS JUST STRUCK ME AS BEING, YOU KNOW, A, A HARM THE TOWN BOARD IS, IS DOING.
AND HE, I READ THE EMAIL THAT I SENT YOU ALL A COPY OF, AND HE SAID, NO, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY SIMPLE.
THE SMALLER THE DOSAGE, THE BETTER.
YOU KNOW, THE SMALLER THE DOSAGE OF NOISE, THE BETTER.
THE SMALLER OF DOSAGE OF CRAP THAT GOES IN THE AIR, THE BETTER.
AND WHEN YOU'RE CONCENTRATING IT, YOU KNOW, YOU IT IS, IT'S THE WRONG WAY.
SO, UM, I I, I, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I HAD DISCUSSION WITH TERRY.
I SAID, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WERE JUST SOMEHOW MOVING THE PROBLEM, I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEM.
'CAUSE NOTHING'S RESTRICTING BELOW YOU.
SHE'S JUST CONCENTRATING ON CERTAIN DAYS.
UM, IF YOU WERE JUST BLOW BLOWING, IF YOU WOULD JUST COME A TRA I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, SOMEHOW THIS WAS NEUTRAL, IT'D BE ONE THING.
THIS DOESN'T, THIS IS NOT MEDICALLY NEUTRAL.
THIS IS, UM, THIS HARM, THIS IS HARMFUL.
I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY EVER BACKED.
I, I, I THINK I KNOW WHOSE IDEA IT IS, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY EVER GOT INTO THIS.
THIS IS MORGAN, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE SUPPORTING IT.
DID THEY, DID THEY VOTE ON IT YET, OR THIS NO, NO, NO, NO.
THEY, THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE A LAW DRAFTED AND THEN THEY WERE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THE NEXT PIECE THAT COMES UP IS WE DON'T NORMALLY OPPOSE LEGISLATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S FOR, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.
ONE OF THEM IS, IT'S, IT'S REALLY NOT THE WE WE'VE OPPOSED PROJECTS, BUT POSING OPPOSING LEGISLATION, YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR NECK OUT THERE TO A CERTAIN DEGREE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S LIKE EVERYTHING IN LIFE.
YOU SORT OF HAVE TO WATCH YOUR PROFILE AND HOW YOU DEAL WITH STUFF.
BUT AS MIKE SAID, THIS IS NOT ENVIRONMENTALLY NEUTRAL.
AND WE HAVE CONFIRMED IT'S NOT ENVIRONMENTALLY NEUTRAL.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT MEDICALLY NEUTRAL.
YEAH, I WAS SAYING, SO I THINK THE THING IS, WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE, AS A GROUP, WE HAVE, THIS IS A TIME FOR DISCUSSION.
WE MAY NOT WANNA GO ATTEND THE MEETING AND STORM RAPIDS OR SOMETHING.
BUT AT ANY PUBLIC MEETING, UM, PEOPLE SEND IN EMAILS TO BE READ.
AND THE TOWN CLERK, JUDITH BELLEVILLE
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READS THOSE, THOSE COMMENTS INTO THE RECORD.SO WE AS A GROUP MAY WANT, AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT ONCE I STOP TALKING ADDRESS SOMETHING.
AND WHEN THIS GOES BEFORE A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE COME OUT AND SAY, FOR THE REASONS MIKE JUST STATED, THAT WE ARE INCREASING THE MEDICAL HARM, BOTH IN TERMS OF NOISE AND POLLUTANTS IN THE AIR, AND THAT WE THINK IT'S A BAD I ALL LAW THAT SHOULD NOT GO FORWARD.
THE, THE, UH, AND AND I THINK WE, YOU SAY AFTER CONSULTATION WITH DR.
SPACE, 'CAUSE THIS ISN'T US JUST KIND OF DREAMING IT.
I MEAN, IS IT, ARE WE INCREASING IT OR WE'RE JUST, WE'RE NOT REDUCING ANYTHING.
IT JUST, WE'RE NOT REDUCING ANYTHING.
AND THE HARM IS GREATER WHEN IT'S ALL AT ONE TIME.
BECAUSE I HAVE SAID, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING WITH, WITH NOISE, AND MIKE CONFIRMED IT OH, WITH THE NOISE.
AND I DUNNO WHERE IT WAS IN MY HEAD.
THAT LITTLE TID AND THE, THE PARTICULATES ON THOSE DAYS THAT ARE FLYING AROUND IN THE, YOU KNOW, LITTLE KIDS RUNNING AROUND, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE OF THIS STUFF IN THE AIR.
THE MORE, THE MORE OF, OF WHAT DR.
SPACE CALLED THE DUST AND THE GOTCHA.
THEIR IDEA IS JUST CERTAIN DAYS OVER THE SUMMER.
WHAT ARE THEY ACCOMPLISHING BY THAT? WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAVE A LORE AND THEY'VE DONE SOMETHING.
LEMME ASK AARON, HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER? I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT BEING FORWARDED AGAINST IT, AARON
I'LL SEND YOU, I'LL SEND YOU THE EMAIL THAT I SENT TO, UH, KEN AS I UNDERSTAND THE TOWN BOYS DIRECTOR KEN, TO DRAFT THE LAW, BECAUSE I SENT AN EMAIL TO KEN AND PAUL AFTER TALKING TO DR.
DID YOU, DID YOU, DID YOU EVER HAVE A CHANCE TO, UM, LISTEN TO DR.
SPACE'S TESTIMONY? AARON? I DID READ, I DID LISTEN THROUGH PORTIONS OF IT.
I DIDN'T GET THROUGH THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE OF INTERRUPTIONS IN THE OFFICE, BUT I DID LISTEN TO SOME OF IT AND I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY WELL DONE.
YOU ALSO SENT ME AN EMAIL THAT I DID READ THROUGH, UM, SO I REMEMBER SEEING THAT AS WELL.
AND I'M, I'M HAPPY TO LOOK AT THE EMAIL THAT, YOU KNOW, THE EMAIL THAT YOU'RE GONNA PASS ALONG AS WELL.
AND I'LL SEND IT TO YOU TONIGHT AFTER THIS.
I MEAN, AND YOU KNOW, AFTER DR.
SPACE SPOKE, THIS GUY THAT'S A SELF-DESCRIBE HIMSELF IN THE PUBLIC HEARING AS A LAWN CARE NUT, AND THAT MOSES LAWN THREE TIMES A WEEK, YOU KNOW, SAID, WELL, TELL ME, DR.
SPA, HAVE YOU EVER HAD A PATIENT COME INTO YOUR OFFICE WITH HARM BY A LEAF BLOWER? AND YOU KNOW WHAT DR.
SPACE SAID? HE SAID, YEAH, IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
UM, YOU KNOW, HIS, HIS PRACTICE IS DEALING WITH PEOPLE WITH ENVIRONMENTAL CAUSED, UH, YOU KNOW, HEALTH.
SO MIKE, DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD PREPARE SOMETHING SO WE HAVE SOMETHING READY OR WAIT UNTIL SOMETHING ACTUALLY GETS PROPOSED? WELL, I, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE, UH, HERE'S MY THOUGHTS.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE DISCUSSION NOW.
MY THOUGHT IS THAT THE THREE OPTIONS, WE CAN SAY, HEY, THIS IS COOL.
WE COULD JUST, WHICH WAS MY FIRST INSTINCT, UH, BUT NOT MY INSTINCT.
NOW WE COULD JUST REMAIN SILENT AND JUST GO ON, ON OUR LIVES.
THE THIRD IS, WE CAN SAY, THIS IS BAD, THIS IS WRONG.
AND FIVE 20, WHICH IS THE SECTION OF THE TOWN CODE UNDER WHICH WE OPERATE, SAYS WE ARE SUPPOSED TO ADVISE ON ENVIRONMENTAL MATTERS AS THEY AFFECT THE TOWN.
AND, AND YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.
MARGARET, UH, STATE LAW DEFINES ENVIRONMENT ABOUT 12 THINGS.
UH, STATE LAW DEFINES ABOUT A DOZEN THINGS THAT DEFINES AS ENVIRONMENTAL IN THE STATE LAW, AND ONE OF WHICH IS HUMAN HEALTH.
SO I, I THINK WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION ON, I, I'VE NEVER SEEN, AND I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE CAC, I'VE NEVER SEEN A LAW PO THAT HURTS PEOPLE.
THIS, IN MY OPINION, AS TALKING TO DR.
SPACE, CONFIRMS THAT THIS HURTS PEOPLE.
I THINK WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO SAY, UM, LOOK, IT'S UP TO YOU TO DO WHAT YOU WANNA DO, BUT WE'RE TELLING YOU FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL POINT OF VIEW AND FROM A MEDICAL POINT OF VIEW,
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UH, FROM A REALLY HIGHLY HIGH LEVEL, MEDICALLY QUALIFIED POINT OF VIEW, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS GONNA HURT PEOPLE.WELL, CAN I JUMP IN? CAN I WHAT GEORGE? WELL, I, I, I FULLY AGREE THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, STAND UP AND MAKE A STATEMENT AGAINST THE, UH, AGAINST HOW BAD THIS LAW IS.
BUT WHEN WE DO THAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO WE INCLUDE, UH, AS AN ALTERNATIVE STRATEGY? WHAT DO WE PROPOSE TO DO IN PLACE OF, UH, IN PLACE OF WHAT THEY'RE DRAFTING RIGHT NOW? MAY I SAY? SO WHAT WHAT WE PROPOSED IN THE PAST, WHICH WAS NOT ACCEPTED OR, YOU KNOW, WAS NOT EMBRACED BY THE TOWN BOARD OR BY THE RESIDENTS, WAS THAT THERE WOULD BE A WINDOW OF TIME WHERE THERE WERE NO BLOWERS ALLOWED.
AND THAT WINDOW WAS BASICALLY THE SUMMER, BASICALLY THE SUMMER.
LIKE YOU HAVE A LEAF ON YOUR, UH, ON YOUR, YOU KNOW, LAWN.
YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU REALLY NEED IT FOR? WE WOULD ALLOW THEM DURING CLEANUP, FALL CLEANUP, YOU KNOW, SPRING CLEANUP.
IF THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY NEED TO, YOU KNOW, TREE CAME DOWN, YOU, YOU GOTTA CLEAN THAT UP, THAT'D BE OKAY.
BUT OTHERWISE, BUT OTHERWISE, ALL YOU NEEDED WAS A CALENDAR TO FIGURE OUT IS IS IT OKAY TO USE A LEAF BLOWER OR NOT? AND THAT'S WHAT WE PROPOSED.
UM, WE PUT ALL THE SIGNS FORWARD AND THERE WAS NO APPETITE FOR IT.
WELL, THEY HAVEN'T, THEY HAVEN'T VOTED ON THAT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
BUT I THINK MARGARET ACCURATELY DESCRIBED IT.
WE BASICALLY SAID ONE THIRD OF THE YEAR, I THINK, UH, IN FALL CLEANUP WAS EIGHT WEEKS.
AND, UH, SPRING CLEANUP WAS 10 WEEKS.
AND WE CONSULTED WITH THE COMMISSIONER OF PARKS AND THE COMMISSIONER OF THE DEPARTMENT OF OF PUBLIC WORKS AS TO WHAT WAS THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
AND I THINK IT WAS ENDS UP EIGHT WEEKS IN THE FALL AND 10 WEEKS IN THE SPRING THAT YOU COULD POLLUTE THE HELL OUT OF THE TOWN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, UM, THOSE WERE CLEANUP PERIODS AND UM, UH, WE FELT THAT WAS POLITICALLY NECESSARY.
I MEAN, UH, BUT THE REST OF THE, BUT TWO THIRDS OF THE YEAR, YOU COULDN'T USE BLOWERS.
YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD A, YOU HAD A LEAF, YOU HAD TO GO PICK IT UP IF YOU GOT
THE OTHER THING, GEORGE, IS DURING THE SUMMER, AND WITH HUMIDITY AND HEAT, THOSE PARTICULATES, UM, THEY CAUSE THEY CAUSE, UM, GROUND LEVEL OZONE AND IT'S, IT, THEY, AND THEY STAY SUSPENDED LONGER.
AND THE CHILDREN ARE OUT AND THEY'RE RUNNING AROUND AND THEIR LITTLE LUNG, YOU KNOW, THEIR LUNGS ARE BIGGER AND PROPORTION TO THEIR BODIES THAN, UH, THAN A GROWNUP.
AND THEY'RE SO VULNERABLE TO IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE PUT ALL THAT STUFF FORWARD IN THE, THE, YEAH, THERE'S THIS LETTER FROM, THERE'S THIS LETTER.
IT'S 10 YEARS OLD, BUT STILL TRUE.
THERE'S A LETTER FROM, UH, UH, WHAT IS IT? THE, UH, CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL AT IT'S MORE CONNECTICUT? NO, A MOUNT SINAI HOSPITAL, I THINK IN, IN NEW YORK ON THE EAST SIDE.
I MEAN, THIS THING, THIS IS DEADLY FOR KIDS.
I ACTUALLY, UH, SAW A COUPLE DAYS AGO A SET OF PEOPLE WITH CAS, YOU KNOW, WALKING THEIR BABY AND THEN SEEING THIS GUY WAS BLOWING WITH HIS, AND IT REALLY BOTHERED ME.
'CAUSE I HAVE TWO SONS WITH ASTHMA, PLUS MY WIFE.
AND I WAS SITTING THERE AND I, I YELLED 'CAUSE I SAID, HEY, BUT I WOULDN'T EVEN THINKING OVERALL THAT HE EVEN PAID ATTENTION TO ME.
'CAUSE HE HAD THE HEADPHONE ON, AND HE WOULD JUST
THEY DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THAT IT WAS HAPPENING.
BY THE TIME THEY REALIZED IT WAS TOO LATE, IT WAS ALREADY COVERING OVER THEM.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M TAKING IT VERY SERIOUSLY.
'CAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY HAVING YOUNGER KIDS, I FEEL SO BAD BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS WHEN WE WERE GROWING UP.
AND NOW FOR THE SAKE OF, UH, LANDSCAPING IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY, EVERYBODY IS LIKE, OH, I GOTTA HAVE MY OWN.
AND THEY'RE OUT THERE AND THEY'RE, WHETHER THEY'RE BLOWING SNOW OR BLOWING GRAVEL AND, AND SCRATCHING UP CARS, WHICH WE'VE ACTUALLY, IN OUR CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX, WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD PEOPLE GO TO THE MANAGEMENT AND SAY, YOU OWE ME MONEY FOR THE CAR.
BECAUSE THEY HAVE BLOWN, YOU KNOW, ALL TYPES OF GRAVEL ONTO THE CARS AND GRABBED THEM.
STEVE, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT ELSE, THEY'RE BLOWING ON, ON THE PARKING LOTS.
THEY ARE BLOWING ASBESTOS FROM BRAKES.
THEY'RE BLOWING PETROLEUM PLOT PRODUCTS FROM LEAKING, UM,
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UM, YOU KNOW, FROM JUST A NATURAL LEAK THAT HAPPENS AS CARS GET OLDER, THEY ARE BLOWING RUBBER FROM TIRES.THEY'RE BLOWING LOTS OF GOOD STUFF INTO ALL, TO EVERYONE ELSE THAT GOES OUT INTO, YOU KNOW, GET THEIR CAR.
I MEAN, THE, SOME OF THE PARKING LOTS ARE SOME OF, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE AWFUL STUFF.
SPACE SAID, AND EVERYONE SHOULD, SHOULD LISTEN, 10, 12 MINUTES TO, I THINK I'VE SENT AROUND TO EVERYONE AARON PERMITTED US TO, WAS ABLE TO GET FOR US.
JUST SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ, GO THROUGH THE HOURS OF THIS, OF THE TOWN BOARD THING AND FIND IT.
IT IS SIMPLY HIS PRESENTATION AND THE QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS.
I MEAN, EVERYONE REALLY, I'VE SENT IT AROUND.
IF SOMEONE DOESN'T HAVE IT, I'LL RESEND IT.
MAYBE ABOUT 10 DAYS AGO I SENT IT AROUND.
UM, YOU KNOW, HE SAYS SOME OF THE STUFF YOU, YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT JUST THE STUFF YOU, IT IS THE STUFF YOU SEE, STEVE, BUT SOME OF THE STUFF IS, IS, UH, WHAT THEY CALL PM 2.5 IN PARTICULATE MATTER, NOT VISIBLE TO THE EYE.
AND THAT STUFF IS IN YOUR, IN YOUR LUNGS.
SORRY, I YOU CAN FINISH WHAT YOU GUYS WERE SAYING.
NO, YOU'RE JUST SAYING THAT, THAT THAT'S WHAT GETS LODGE IN THE LUNGS.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT, FIRST OF ALL, I STRONGLY SUPPORT ANY LETTER THAT, THAT WE'D WANNA SUBMIT AS STRONGLY WORDED AS POSSIBLE.
ONE, TWO THINGS THAT ARE, YOU WOULDN'T WANT, YOU WOULDN'T WANT, YOU WOULDN'T WANT SOME OF THE WORDS I'VE USED ABOUT THIS
UM, BUT ONE, I THINK, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DEAL WITH THIS, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE UNFORTUNATE THINGS THAT'S HAPPENING ACROSS THE COUNTY IS THAT EVERYBODY'S GOTTEN ON THIS RIDICULOUS BANDWAGON THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ALL OPENED MY EYES TO OF BANNING THE GAS POWERED AND NOT THE ELECTRIC.
SO PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT OTHER COMMUNITIES, WELL, THEY'RE STILL ALLOWING THE ELECTRIC BLOWERS.
SO HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE GET AROUND THAT? SOME PEOPLE HAVE ASKED FOR THE INFORMATION.
I THINK WHENEVER WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO SOMEONE OR SOMETHING COMES OUR WAY, WE REMIND PEOPLE, WE HAVE STATISTICS TO SHOW YOU THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS NOT ACCURATE.
WELL, IN TERMS OF LIKE GETTING THE BOARD, 'CAUSE THE BOARD I THINK IS BEING, I THINK PAUL FINER IS BEING SWAYED BY OTHER COMMUNITIES.
I I REALIZE THAT, BUT IT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE FOCUSING ON IS THE EXHAUST FROM THE BLOWER, WHICH IS PROBLEMATIC.
IT IS NOT AS PROBLEMATIC AS IT WAS A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.
AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE USING STATISTICS ON BLOWERS THAT ARE NO LONGER BEING MANUFACTURED IN TERMS OF THE EXHAUST.
BUT THE REAL ISSUE IN TERMS OF HEALTH IS WHAT'S BEING BLOWN UP.
AND THAT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT'S ELECTRIC OR GAS POWERED.
AND I THINK THERE'S, IT'S A VERY, IT'S A VERY EMOTIONAL THING FOR PEOPLE.
AND OF COURSE, BEING OLDER, AS SOME OF US ARE, WE REMEMBER THERE WAS A TIME WHERE THERE WERE NO BLOWERS.
SO SOMEHOW WE MANAGED TO, TO FUNCTION WITHOUT A BLOWER.
NOW, AS MIKE SAID, WE WERE WILLING TO COMPROMISE AND SAY, OKAY, YOU CAN'T ROLL BACK HISTORY.
AND CERTAINLY IN THE SPRING AND THE FALL, THEY ARE USED.
AND BASICALLY MOST GARDENERS, AND THIS IS WHERE YOU GET INTO THIS REALLY, THE PEOPLE, NOT THE GARDENERS, MOST PROFESSIONAL GARDENERS, THEY'RE NOT USING THEM IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
SO IF YOU SAY TO YOUR GARDENER, I DON'T WANT YOU TO BLOW UNLESS YOU'RE DOING SPRING CLEANUP OR LEAVES, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE DO, THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.
BECAUSE WHEN THEY COME OUT IN THE FALL, THEY HAVE ALL THOSE JOBS TO DO.
THEY'RE NOT LOOKING TO SPEND ANY EXTRA TIME BLOWING THE LEAVES THAN THEY HAVE TO.
SO THEY JUST GO DO WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO AND GET OUT.
UNFORTUNATELY, SOME PEOPLE ASK THEIR GARDENERS DURING THE SUMMER AND MANY HOMEOWNERS, THEY'RE BLOWING THE ONE LEAF.
THEY'RE BLOWING THE FEW PIECES OF GRASS THAT LAND ON THE DRIVEWAY OF THE WALK THAT WILL DRIVE
AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE FEEL THERE IS A WINDOW TO MAKE A CHANGE, BECAUSE YOU ARE REALLY NOT INCONVENIENCING ANYBODY AT THAT POINT.
SO I THINK WHAT WE HAVE IS FROM HEARING EVERYONE IS WE HAVE A CONSENSUS THAT WE ARE WILLING TO, NO, WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM EVERYONE.
LET, LET, I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH.
THIS IS REALLY A COMMUNITY CHANGING THING.
LET, WE HAVEN'T, WE'VE HEARD FROM GEORGE, WE HEARD FROM STEVE, DONNA, LAUREN, NANCY.
WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK? I THINK I AGREE ONLY BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT WHAT'S HAPPENED
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EVEN WITHIN MY OWN FAMILY.YOU KNOW, THERE WERE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
WE DIDN'T USE BLOWERS WHEN WE WERE GROWING UP.
BUT, AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE ALLERGIES AND WE, YOU KNOW, YOU GO TO SLEEP AT NIGHT AND YOU'RE COUGHING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND IT'S WHAT'S CAUSED THIS, AND IT'S THE AIR, IT'S WHAT YOUR, WHAT'S WHATEVER'S HAPPENING OUTSIDE IS COMING INSIDE.
I HAVE A, YOU KNOW, 81 YEAR OLD FATHER WHO, UM, WHO COUGH.
I HAVE A SISTER WHO ALL OF A SUDDEN JUST, SHE CAN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHERE THESE ALLERGIES OUT OF NOWHERE, SHE'S NEVER HAD ANY ALLERGIES.
I'M A PERSON THAT AT ONE POINT IN MY LIFE, I USED TO LIVE IN, IN MANHATTAN.
I LIVED IN MANHATTAN FOR ABOUT 11 YEARS.
AND I USED TO HAVE BAD, YOU KNOW, KIND OF REST.
I'VE NEVER HAD ASTHMA OR ANYTHING, BUT I WENT TO A DOCTOR BECAUSE I WAS JUST HAVING, YOU KNOW, MY SINUSES AND COUGHING A LOT AND WAS BASICALLY TOLD, WELL, YOU MAY WANNA MOVE OUT OF THE CITY BECAUSE YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH NOW JUST ALLERGIC TO THE ENVIRONMENT.
SO WHEN YOU BRING THAT BACK UP HERE AND YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I MEAN, EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY HAS SOMEONE WHO TAKES CARE OF THEIR LAWN.
SO WHETHER IT'S YOUR YARD BEING DONE ONE DAY AND YOUR NEIGHBORS BEING DONE THE NEXT DAY, BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE USES THE SAME PERSON, PERSON.
SO YOU MAY HAVE THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT DAYS OF THE WEEK WHERE THAT STUFF IS COMING UP IN THE AIR.
AND, UM, SO I I, I FULLY AM ON BOARD.
I'D LIKE TO SEE MARGARET'S RESEARCH, UM, READ THROUGH IT.
I JUST, OUTTA CURIOSITY, I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE, UM, WHAT'S IN THERE.
AND I'M ALSO CURIOUS, YOU, YOU DID MENTION AFRICAN AMERICANS IN THAT THE YOUTH, ELDERLY OR SENIORS AND AFRICAN AMERICANS, AND IS THAT JUST OVERALL BE, YOU KNOW, I, WE, WE TEND TO HAVE VARIOUS HEALTH ISSUES, BUT IS THAT BASED ON THE FACT THAT MAYBE THERE'S MORE ASTHMA IN OUR COMMUNITY? OR, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
SO LAUREN, I I DON'T, THAT'S A PILE THAT YOU JUST PULLED UP THERE, MIKE.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION, BUT, UM, IT IS, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, UM, UM, HOLD ON.
YOU TOOK IT FROM A GOVERNMENT REPORT.
I'M TRYING TO FIND, I MEAN, I'VE GOT THE, I'VE GOT REPORTS HERE FROM THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION, THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA COLLEGE OF ENGINEERING, UH, THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL ECONOMY OF SCIENCES, THE ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA GRAND JURY, THE AMERICAN LUNG ASSOCIATION, THE AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PUBLIC HEALTH, MOUNT SINAI CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL CENTER MM-HMM.
WEINSTEIN, WHO'S AN ASSISTANT CLINICAL PROFESSOR AT STONY BROOK MEDICAL SCHOOL, THE U S E P, A INTEGRATED SCIENCE ASSESSMENT FOR A PARTICULAR MATTER.
UH, AND THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, NOW, THE AMERICAN LUNG ASSOCIATION IN 2020 SAID, QUOTE, PEOPLE AT THE GREATEST RISK FROM PARTICULATE POLLUTION EXPOSURE INCLUDE INFERENCE CHILDREN AND TEENS AND PEOPLE OF COLOR.
WHAT I DON'T KNOW, LAUREN, AS NONE OF THE THINGS I'VE EVER READ, AND I OBVIOUSLY HAVE NOT DONE, UH, THE MOST COMPLETE RESEARCH.
I I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT IS THE CASE, BUT I MEAN, YOU, WE'VE GOT THE NATIONAL, THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCE SAYING THE PM TWO FIVE, THIS IS THE CRAP YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE.
THE U NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION SAYING LEAF BLOWERS PUSHED 300 TO 700 C FEET OF AIR PER MINUTE AT 50 TO TWO 80 MILES HOUR.
NOW, UM, HURRICANE IS, THESE ARE ALL CATEGORY FOUR AND FIVE HURRICANES, THE LARGEST HURRICANES, THE RESULTING DUST CONTAIN PM TWO FIVE PARTICLES INCLUDING POLLEN AND MOLD, ANIMAL FECES, HEAVY METAL, AND CHEMICALS FROM HERBICIDES AND PESTICIDES.
AND IN FACT, YOU WE'RE BLOWING ROUND AND YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, STEVE, YOU'RE BLOWING ROUNDUP INTO THE LUNGS OF THOSE TODDLERS.
YOU KNOW, UH, ANY KIND OF CHEMICALS THAT ARE THERE.
ANY KIND OF, ANY KIND OF ANIMAL FECES IS THERE MM-HMM.
ANY KIND OF CHEMICALS FROM THE PESTICIDES WHEN ANYONE DELIBERATELY DO THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, IS WHAT'S THERE IF THEY, IF IT MAKES THEIR YARN LOOKS PRETTY, UM, THE AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PUBLIC HEALTH SAYS, UM, FOR PM PARTICULAR MATTER OF 2.5 MILLIMETERS IN DIAMETER LESS, THESE ARE THE SMALL ONES.
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HAD A 1.5, A 1.54 TIMES HIGHER BURDEN THAN DID THE OVERALL POPULATION.NOW, LAUREN, I CAN CONFESS YOU, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL THAT MEANS, BUT IT SAYS BLACKS HAD A 1.54 TIMES HIGHER BURDEN THAN DID THE OVERALL POPULATION.
I DON'T EXACTLY TECHNICALLY KNOW WHAT HIGHER BURDEN MEANS.
IT AIN'T GOOD NOW AND WHY IT AFFECTS PEOPLE OF COLOR, I DO NOT KNOW.
BUT YOU SEE THIS IN, IN ALL KINDS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, AT ALL, ALL KINDS OF STUDIES.
I DO, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
BUT WE, THIS IS WHO WE'VE DONE OUR RESEARCH.
NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA COLLEGE OF ENGINEERING, THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCE, THE ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA GRAND JURY, THE AMERICAN LUNG ASSOCIATION, THE AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PUBLIC HEALTH, MOUNT SINAI CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL, THE STONY BROOK SCHOOL OF MEDICINE, THE US E P A, AND THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION.
NOT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND HERE YOU GOT A TOWN BOARD THAT SAYS, MAKE IT WORSE.
MIKE, WE, WE, WE WE'RE I SEE FROM DONNA.
DONNA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? I THINK YOU ONE OF THE ONES WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM DONNA.
NOW WE CAN'T SEE YOU AND WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
THERE YOU'RE, YOU'RE BETTER
UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS TO SAY.
NUMBER ONE, I THINK IF WE DON'T ISSUE A LETTER, THEN IT'S IMPLIED THAT WE AGREE WITH THE LAW THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
I THINK, I THINK
WE MAY, IT MAY NOT BE IMPLIED.
WE AGREE, BUT IT'S LEAST IMPLIED WE DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
UM, I KNOW THE OTHER DAY ON MY PHONE, THIS IS ONLY MAY AND I GOT THE OZONE ALERT DAY.
YOU KNOW, THE SUMMER AND WE'RE ALREADY HAVING OZONE ALERT DAYS, AND NOW YOU'RE GONNA THROW THIS INTO THAT.
WHAT'S THAT GONNA DO FOR PEOPLE? UM, AND THEN I ALSO JUST WANTED TO SAY FOR, FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE, ARE NEW TO OUR GROUP, THAT ONE THING THAT THIS DISCUSSION, I'M SURE IS SHOWING YOU THAT THE C A C DOESN'T JUST PUT OUT OPINIONS OR FEELINGS.
WE THINK THIS MIGHT BE TRUE, BUT EVERYTHING WE PUT OUT THERE IS BASED ON RESEARCH, ON DATA, ON FACTS.
UM, WE'RE NOT JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, MAKING THINGS UP.
AND, AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT JUST BASED ON OUR FEELINGS OR OPINIONS.
SO IF YOU GUYS LIKE SCIENCE AND FACT BASED RESEARCH, THIS IS A PLACE FOR YOU.
WE MISS ARE WE MISSING ANYBODY? WELL, I, I HAD JUST ONE THING TO ADD, WHICH IS THE, THE GREAT THING ABOUT, UM, HAVING THESE PERIODS OF TIME WHEN BLOWERS ARE NOT PERMITTED, IS IT GIVES PEOPLE ROOM AND SPACE TO REALIZE, HEY, WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LIVE WITHOUT BLOWERS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, CHANGE PEOPLE'S ATTITUDES.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE RETURNING THEIR HAIR OUT.
WE NEED OUR BLOWERS, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T ACTUALLY NEED YOUR BLOWERS.
AND THAT'S A GOOD, A GOOD STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND DID WE GET EVERYBODY, GEORGE, WE HEARD FROM YOU, RIGHT? I THINK SO.
I, I, I FULLY SUPPORT, UH, YOU KNOW, SENDING SOME EMAIL OR LETTER OUT OPPOSING THIS NEW LEGISLATION.
I JUST THINK WE WOULD BE MOST EFFECTIVE IF WE INCLUDED, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE CAME UP WITH EARLIER.
AS AN ALTERNATIVE, WE'VE GOTTA GIVE THE TOWN BOARD, UM, SOME ALTERNATIVE COURSE OF ACTION, UH, TO BE EFFECTIVE.
FAIR, FAIR POINT, FAIR POINT, FAIR POINT.
I MEAN, EVERYONE'S, EVERYONE'S GONNA LOOK AT THIS.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING, I MEAN, OCCASIONALLY, TERRY AND I, IF WE GET ON, IF WE HAVE A HEARING COMING UP AND WE DON'T HAVE A MEETING IN BETWEEN, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE DISCUSSED AT TWO OR THREE MEETINGS AND WE KNOW WHAT THE SENSE OF THE GROUP IS, SOMETIMES TERRY AND I WILL SEND SOMETHING OUT.
'CAUSE EVEN THOUGH OCCASIONALLY WE'VE CALLED SPECIAL MEETINGS, BUT IF WE ARE PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THE SENSE THE GROUP IS, SOMETIMES TERRY AND I WILL SEND SOMETHING OUT, UH, 'CAUSE OF MEETING'S COMING UP.
BUT, UH, THIS, THIS IS NOT, YEAH.
UH, WE, THIS HAS PLENTY OF TIME TO BE CIRCULATING AND GET EVERYONE'S INPUT AND, YOU KNOW, AND SOMETIMES WE GO THROUGH HALF A DOZEN DRAFTS OF THINGS.
BE SURE WE HAVE EVERYONE'S INPUT FROM THE GOOGLE OR MORE.
SO WE HAVE A POLL OF SUPPLIES.
UH, WE'LL SEND SOMETHING OUT, UH, NEXT WEEK IF I CAN LOOK AT IT.
AND I THINK WHAT WE SAY IS, I MEAN, WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS THE, I I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS, TERRY.
THEY DID, THIS WAS THE DIRECTION,
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WELL, WE'LL WORK OUT SOMETHING.THIS WAS THE DIRECTION THE TOWN BOARD IS CONTEMPLATING GOING, AND WE'VE DISCUSSED AT THE CAC AND THIS DOG DON'T HUNT
WELL, I, I THINK, I THINK IT'S, I THINK THE KEY THING IS THAT IT IS, AS YOU SAID, IT ISN'T, IT ISN'T EVEN NEUTRAL.
IT ACTUALLY MAKES THE SITUATION WORSE.
AND WE'VE RUN OVER A BIT AND I THANK EVERYONE FOR THEIR PATIENCE.
BUT BEFORE WE GO, DOREEN, IF YOU'RE THERE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANNA SAY? DOREEN, YOU ARE MUTED.
UM, FOR THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW ME, UH, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME TO THE COMMITTEE MEETING.
UM, I LIVE AROUND THE CORNER FROM THE ELMWOOD COUNTRY CLUB, AND I AM PRESIDENT OF THE WORTHINGTON WOODLAND CIVIC ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS THE COMMUNITY THAT IS MOST IMPACTED BY THIS PROPOSAL.
UM, BASICALLY, UH, THE RIDGEWOOD REALTY, AS OF RIGHT OR ZONING COMPLIANCE, CAN BUILD 119 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WHICH ALL OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS EMBRACE.
WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH PUTTING 119 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON THE, UH, GOLF COURSE.
WE DO NOT WANT TOWNHOUSES OR CONDOS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY 175, WHICH COULD HAVE WITH NOW THAT HE CHANGED HIS LITTLE SCENARIO, WHICH COULD BE ANYWHERE WITH, WITH FOUR BEDROOMS, COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM THREE TO FOUR PEOPLE OR FIVE PEOPLE IN A TOWNHOUSE.
AND WE COULD GET 800 UP TO 875 PEOPLE LIVING IN THIS AREA.
WHICH DOBBS FERRY ROAD, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH, IS A SINGLE ROAD, STATE ROAD EITHER WAY, WITH A FIREHOUSE ON THE CORNER.
ALWAYS MANEUVERING WHERE TO GO WHEN THE FIRE ENGINES ARE BLASTING THROUGH DO ONTO DOBBS FERRY ROAD, COMING FROM THE FIREHOUSE ON WORTHINGTON AND DOBBS FERRY.
ANOTHER THING WE SERVICE THREE SCHOOL DISTRICTS USE THIS ROAD, PLUS THE ELMWOOD DAY CAMP IS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.
THEY WERE GRANDFATHERED IN THE GOLF RANGE.
AND NOW WE HAVE, UH, CARLSON'S NURSERY IS UP AND RUNNING.
WE HAVE EAST BROOK PARK, AND WE ALSO HAVE, UM, A NEW ASSISTED LIVING CALLED THE CHELSEA.
SO THIS, PUTTING THIS MANY NUMBER OF PEOPLE CAUSE TRAFFIC, WHATEVER YOU WANNA SAY ONTO THIS ROAD.
THE AREA HAS LIKE FOUR TO 500 HOMES ALREADY IN THE AREA.
THEY HAVE TO DOWN ZONE THE PROPERTY.
RIGHT NOW, THE PROPERTY IS IN R 30 AND IN R 20, AND THEY WANNA MAKE IT ALL R 20 SO THEY CAN GET THEIR 175 TOWN HOMES IN AND THEN CREATE A PUT.
THE PROBLEM WITH THIS, AS I SAID, IS TRAFFIC AND DENSITY.
I JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW IF YOU INCREASE THE NUMBERS TO 175 WITH FOUR BEDROOMS, HOW YOU CAN HAVE LESS TRAFFIC, LESS PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
SO OUR COMMUNITY IS GOING TO BE CONTINUOUSLY FIGHTING THIS.
UH, WE WERE TAKEN BY SURPRISE THAT THIS WAS BROUGHT OUT BECAUSE WE KNEW FROM THE D E I S THAT THEY WERE ONLY GOING TO HAVE SIX THINGS THAT THEY WERE, THEY HAD OFFERED.
NOW THIS IS NUMBER SEVEN, AND ACCORDING TO WHAT WAS PUT OUT IN A MAY 20TH, UH, WHICH I SENT A COPY TO TERRY AND TO, UH, MIKE, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO FORWARD, UH, WITH FI HAVING, LETTING THE LEAD AGENCY OR WHICH IS THE TOWN OR THE COMMUNITY, OR ANYONE ELSE COME FORTH BEFORE THE FINAL, BEFORE THE DRAFT F E I S IS PUT OUT.
SO THE DOREEN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
JUST SAY THE LAST SENTENCE AGAIN.
W WE WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS OF THE SCOPING DOCUMENT AND THE DRAFT D E I SS, AND NOW THEY'RE READY TO PUT OUT THEIR DRAFT.
F E I SS BASED ON WHAT WAS SAID IN THE DRAFT, D E I SS AND THE SCOPING DOCUMENT, ALL THE CONCERNS AND EVERYTHING.
BUT THIS NOW, THIS NEW ALTERNATIVE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO PRESENT WAS NEVER GIVEN A CHANCE TO BE LOOKED AT OR ANALYZED BY THE COMMUNITY
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OR BY THE C A C OR BY, UM, THE, THE PLANNING BOARD OF, OF WESTCHESTER, UH, COUNTY.UM, SO IT'S LIKE WE ARE BEING SHUT DOWN AND SHUT OUT OF THE WHOLE PROCESS.
I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR.
UM, SO NOTHING, NOTHING WILL BE ALLOWED IN, UH, FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW.
SO YOU WANNA A, A, AARON HAVE, I THINK WE RAISED AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE OF WHETHER THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE C A C WERE GOING TO BE PERMITTED TO, UM, UH, HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FINAL BEFORE IT IS ACTUALLY DELIVERED.
UH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS THAT WITH GARRETT AND HAD AN ANSWER FOR THAT.
UM, I DID MENTION IT TO GARRETT THE FOLLOWING DAY.
I THOUGHT HE, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, I THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA REACH OUT TO YOU GUYS DIRECTLY.
UM, PERHAPS HE HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO, TO DO THAT.
BUT PLEASE, UM, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND SENDING A FOLLOW-UP EMAIL, THE TROUBLE IS THAT, ASIDE FROM POTENTIALLY TOMORROW, I KNOW GARRETT'S GONNA BE OUT, UH, ALL NEXT WEEK, THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE WOULDN'T RESPOND TO ME, BUT, UM, MAYBE HE HAD SOMETHING QUEUED UP AND, AND DIDN'T SEND IT.
WE HAD THE DISCUSSION, LIKE I SAID, SO I WILL FOLLOW UP.
BUT IF YOU COULD SEND ME A REMINDER EMAIL, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD HELP.
WELL, I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY, WE CERTAINLY WOULD BE WILLING TO.
UH, WHEN'S OUR NEXT MEETING, TERRY? YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GONNA DO THE 10TH OF, OF JUNE? THE, WHAT I'M GONNA DO THE 10TH OF JUNE.
JUNE, I'M GOING TO, UH, BEFORE WE CLOSE OUT OR, OR SHORTLY AFTER, I'LL JUST GO BACK INTO MY EMAIL AND, AND FOLLOW UP RIGHT NOW.
BUT, BUT DOREEN RAISES A VERY INTERESTING POINT.
ARE THEY ALLOWED IN THE FINAL E I SS TO PUT IN A PROJECT THAT WASN'T THERE? I THOUGHT ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAY BACK WHEN, WHEN WE SAID WHERE WAS THE, WE WANTED TO PUT IN THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES WITH THE DONATION OF THE, OF THE 16 ACRES.
OH, WE CAN'T PUT THAT IN BECAUSE THAT WASN'T IN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.
WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED RIGHT NOW WAS NOT IN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.
WHY DOES THIS NOW GET TO BE PUT IN THE FINAL AS AN OPTION IN THE FINAL F E I S WHEN THE COMMUNITY HASN'T HAD A CHANCE TO COMMENT ON IT AND GO THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS? IT SEEMS TO BE SIDESTEPPING THE, THE, UH, PROCESS.
I CAN LOOK INTO THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU.
UM, I, I'D APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LIKE, I THINK SHE RAISES A VERY SIGNIFICANT POINT WITH THAT IS, YOU KNOW, IF THE PROCESS IS YOU PUT FORTH A PROPOSAL, WE LISTEN TO PEOPLE, WE DO A DRAFT, D I S, WE GO BACK, WE GET AND ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED, THEN TO COME IN WITH SOMETHING AT THE 99TH HOUR, IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE IT SHOULD BE A NEW PROJECT AND YOU START THE PROCESS OVER AGAIN.
I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION AND I UNDERSTAND THE COMMENT.
UM, BACK TRACKING, JUST FOR ONE MOMENT, UH, MIKE, WHEN YOU SENT ME THAT EMAIL FOLLOWING THE LAST MEETING, YEAH, I JUST CHECKED, I DID SEND IT TO GARRETT.
HE INDICATED HE WAS GOING TO CALL YOU.
SO I, I SUPPOSE YOU DIDN'T GET A PHONE CALL, DID I? DIDN'T TERRY, DID YOU GET IT? OKAY.
SO, UH, MAY MAYBE YOU CAN JUST REMIND HIM THAT, THAT EITHER WE DIDN'T GET IT OR WE BOTH, WE BOTH ARE TOO OLD OR WE FORGOT IT
UH, WE HAD A PROBLEM ON DOBBS FERRY ROAD WITH THE FINMORE SUK EXTENSION.
WE DIDN'T, SOMETHING NEW CAME IN AND THEY REOPENED IT YESTERDAY.
AGAIN, IT WAS JUST ADJOURN BECAUSE NOT ALL THE INFORMATION IS, SO THERE IS A PRECEDENT SET FOR REOPENING PUBLIC HEARINGS.
NOW, IN THIS CASE, NEW INFORMATION IS COMING IN AND I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANALYZE, TO COMMENT ON IT, AS WELL AS THE C A C AS WELL AS THE, THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY UM, PLANNING BOARD.
WELL, UH, DURING YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE THAT A REQUEST, NOT TO ADD OH, OH OH.
I WILL
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE IT TO THE TOWN BOARD.
YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT REQUEST TO ADD, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THAT DIRECTLY TO THE TOWN BOARD.
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ABSOLUTELY.NO, NO, I, I DEFINITELY THAT I'M VERY GOOD AT THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE THAT YOU WERE NOT EXPECTING, UH, AARON.
I JUST EXPECT THEM TO ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT TO SAY ABOUT THE DENSITY AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND NINE YEARS OF WORK IS BEING THROWN OUT THE TUBES WHEN I KNOW THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE STEERING COMMITTEE WENT FROM AREA TO AREA, GETTING EVERYONE'S OPINION.
AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, MOST PEOPLE SAID DO NOT CHANGE OUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
WE DON'T WANT ANY CONDOS, WE DON'T WANT ANY TOWNHOUSES.
I KNOW I'M BEING ADAMANT ABOUT THAT, BUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE, THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD STAY THE SAME.
MARGARET ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH ALL THE COMMENTS AND WHAT DO THEY, I FORGET WHAT THEY CALL THOSE SESSIONS.
WE HAD, YOU KNOW, ALL THE GOSH, YEAH, I, YEAH, I DID ALL THE MATH ON HOW MANY PEOPLE WANTED GREEN AND DIDN'T WANT DEVELOPMENTS.
AND MORGAN, I I REMEMBER ROUGHLY LIKE 225 COMMENTS OF SAYING JUST WHAT YOU SAID.
THIS HAS BEEN A REALLY LONG MEETING AND I WANNA THANK EVERYONE FOR HAVING PATIENCE TO SIT HERE AND, AND I GUESS WE'LL ALL BE BACK TOGETHER ON JUNE 10TH.
YEAH, THANKS FOR LETTING US KNOW.
YOU GONNA BE, YOU GONNA BE, YOU GONNA BE ON YOUR BOAT? NO, I THINK CLIENT, I HAVE A CLIENT THING.
GARY, JUST AN UPDATE FOR YOU AND, AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR THE JUNE 24TH MEETING.
SO WHO WILL, WHO WILL GIVE US THE ABILITY TO GET IN? I WILL.
THAT IS TO BE DETERMINED, BUT I WILL, UH, LINE THAT UP FOR EVERYONE SO YOU GUYS DON'T MISS OUT.
AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN YOU'RE FOLLOWING UP WITH GARRETT WOULD BE THAT WE ARE, WE DON'T, WE HAVE A PER PERFECTLY, UH, OPEN AND WE CAN PERFECTLY, UH, MEET WITH CHAZEN, UH, AND, AND THE APPLICANT, UH, UH, ON JUNE 10TH.
WELL, MIKE, I WAS GONNA SAY, IF WE HAVEN'T READ WHAT, WHAT'S IN THE, IN THE DRAFT TO MEET, I MEAN, I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE HAD WHEN WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT BEFORE IT WAS FINALIZED AND SUBMITTED TO THE TOWN BOARD, I THINK THE CONCERN WE HAD WAS TO GO THROUGH AND CHECK THAT THE QUESTIONS WERE REALLY ANSWERED.
BECAUSE I THINK BECAUSE THERE'S CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS, I DUNNO WHAT WERE THE, YOU KNOW, THERE, I THINK WE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT STATISTICS WHERE THEY GOT THEIR STATISTICS FROM.
THERE WAS A WHOLE SLEW OF QUESTIONS THAT CAME FROM BOTH THE COMMUNITY AND THE C A C AND A LOT HAD TO DO WITH, WITH THEIR SOURCES OF REFERENCE FOR STUDIES.
SO, SORRY, SEND THAT, SEND THAT TO ME.
I DON'T HAVE TO BE AT THE MEETING.
WHAT WE HAD SAID WAS THAT WHAT WE REALLY WANTED TO HAPPEN, THIS GO AROUND WAS NOT THAT IT WAS FINALIZED AND SENT TO THE TOWN BOARD.
WHAT WE SAID IS WHAT THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS, IS THAT YOU DON'T GET TO LOOK AT IT UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE.
AND THEN, THEN YOU'RE BACKTRACKING SAYING, WELL, I DON'T THINK THIS STATISTIC IS RIGHT.
WHAT ARE YOUR ASSUMPTIONS, RIGHT? WHAT ARE YOUR ASSUMPTIONS? WHO ARE THESE ELDERLY PEOPLE WHO ARE BUYING, YOU KNOW, HUGE HOUSES AND LIVING BY THEMSELVES COMING OUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THEY COMING FROM? YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WERE THINGS IN THERE, UH, THAT, THAT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE 55 DIDN'T WORK.
YOU KNOW, UH, THERE WERE THINGS IN THERE THAT MADE NO SENSE IN TERMS OF WHAT ONE SAID WOULD BE ONE'S PRACTICAL LIFE KNOWLEDGE.
AND THE QUESTION WAS, WHAT WERE YOUR STATISTICS BASED ON WHO WAS YOUR SOURCE FOR THAT STATISTIC? AND IF THOSE QUESTIONS WERE UNANSWERED, TO ME, IT REMAINED A FLAWED DOCUMENT BECAUSE SO MANY OF THEIR ASSUMPTIONS, JUST LIKE THEIR ASSUMPTION NOW THAT YOU COULD GO FROM HAVING THESE, THESE TOWNHOUSES BEING, OH, FOR THOSE SENIORS THAT NEVER LEFT THEIR TOWNHOUSES, THAT THAT ONLY HAD ONE PERSON IN THEM.
NOW YOU WERE GOING TO PUT FAMILIES IN THE TOWNHOUSES AND THERE WASN'T GONNA BE MORE TRAFFIC
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A LOGICAL THING THAT RESONATES WITH A NORMAL PERSON'S INTELLIGENCE.
LET, LET ME GIVE YOU AN AN EXAMPLE.
UH, THIS WILL BE AMUSING TO EVERYONE.
UM, UM, THE 175 NON AGE RESTRICTED TOWN HOMES WOULD GENERATE 28 STUDENTS FOR THE GREENBURG CENTRAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND EIGHT STUDENTS FOR THE ELMSFORD SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 175 TOWNHOUSES
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NON AGE RESTRICTED FOR AN AGGREGATE OF 36 STUDENTS.NOW THAT MAKES COMMON SENSE TO EVERYONE, RIGHT?
IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY 38 AND A HALF
YOU KNOW, YOU, UH, MAY I, TERRY, MAY I SAY SOMETHING? REEN? OKAY, GO AHEAD.
HE IS THE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE ELMSFORD SCHOOL DISTRICT.
WHEN AVALON WAS BEING BUILT, THEY TOLD HIM THAT THEY WERE GONNA GET 30 STUDENTS THROUGH THE WHOLE AVALON ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
SO I ASKED HIM, SO HOW MANY DID YOU GET? HE SAID, WE GOT OVER A HUNDRED.
WHICH, WHICH IS FINE, BUT THE STATISTICS THAT THEY GIVE YOU IS NOT REALITY.
AND I UNDERSTAND SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENED ALSO ON CENTRAL AVENUE WITH SOME, SOME, UM, CONDOS OR I DON'T REMEMBER STONES, SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW WHERE.
BUT ALSO THEY TOLD THE 25 STUDENTS OR SOMETHING AND A HUGE AMOUNT CAME IN.
I JUST DON'T TRUST HOW THEY PUT THIS STUFF TOGETHER.
I DON'T TRUST WHERE THEY GET IT FROM.
UM, IT'S JUST DOESN'T MAKE IT'S COMMON SENSE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE TRAFFIC WITH 175 TOWNHOUSES FILLED WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF FIVE MEMBERS IN, UH, A TOWNHOUSE VERSUS 119 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
I THINK THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT.
I HAVE TERRY, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR ERIN.
UM, ERIN, A LOT OF TOWNS AND VILLAGES ARE GOING BACK TO IN-PERSON MEETINGS STARTING IN JUNE.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT OUR PLAN IS? UH, NO.
UM, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN AN UPDATE ON THAT.
THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION, BUT, UH, I ONLY KNOW THAT, AND, AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, I SAW IT, I GUESS GOING INTO THE TOWN BOARD MEETING LAST NIGHT, BUT THERE HAD BEEN POSTS REGARDING JUNE 1ST OPENING TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN ONLY TO SEE THAT THAT ACTUALLY, UH, THE SUPERVISOR AND PERHAPS THE ENTIRE TOWN BOARD WERE CONSIDERING ACTUALLY JULY 1ST.
UM, SOMEWHAT CONTRARY TO WHAT YOU'VE BROUGHT UP AND WHAT I'VE OBSERVED IS THAT NEW YORK STATE, THERE'S A, A BILL THAT'S BEING, UM, PUSHED THAT, OR BEING CONTEMPLATED THAT, UM, WOULD ALLOW FOR REMOTE MEETINGS TO REMAIN LEGAL, UH, PUBLIC MEETINGS.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S UNDER AN EXECUTIVE ORDER, BUT ESSENTIALLY TO PUT THAT EXECUTIVE ORDER, UM, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE IT THROUGH, UH, FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE OR, YOU KNOW, LONG-TERM, UM, THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED.
AND, AND THAT WAS AN EMAIL THAT I GOT FROM THE NEW YORK PLANNING FEDERATION.
SO I HAD PASSED THAT ALONG TO OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND UH, WE WERE GONNA PASS IT ALONG TO THE BOARD CHAIRS.
OBVIOUSLY TERRY HASN'T SEEN IT, BUT WE WILL SHARE IT.
THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, DONNA.
UH, THAT, THAT'S AN INTERESTING SUBJECT.
UM, IS THERE, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, UH, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, UM, ABOUT HAVING MIXED, UH, IN PERSON AND ZOOM? SO THERE HAS BEEN, I MEAN, AND I HAVEN'T BEEN IN LIKELY ALL OF THE TALKS, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT SORT OF A HYBRID MODEL.
SO THERE'S SO, AND, AND, AND LIKE FOR INSTANCE, ONE THOUGHT WAS AT LEAST INITIALLY THAT PERHAPS STAFF AT A MINIMUM STAFF AND PERHAPS BOARD MEMBERS THAT WERE COMFORTABLE OR VACCINATED OR WHAT HAVE YOU, COULD COME DO IT IN PERSON.
BUT, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, IF THEY WEREN'T COMFORTABLE, THEY COULD CERTAINLY PARTICIPATE OVER ZOOM.
WELL, NOT LONG TERM HYBRID APPROACH.
I WAS SAYING FOR LONG TERM, THEY WOULD DO THE HYBRID APPROACH.
IT WOULD MAKE LIFE MUCH EASIER FOR, FOR INSTANCE, WHEN THERE WERE, THERE WERE SNOWSTORMS OR WHEN PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING, LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF WE EVER GET BACK TO A NORMAL SITUATION, WE ALL KNOW MIKE USED TO TRAVEL QUITE A BIT AND YOU KNOW, IF HE'S WILLING TO STAY UP TO AN UNGODLY HOUR
AND WHEN SOMEONE HAS AN ILLNESS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO, UM, ATTEND A MEETING IN TERMS OF GETTING IN EITHER BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S YOU COULD GIVE TO SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT YOU'RE PERFECTLY WELL AT HOME.
OR YOU'VE HAD SOME KIND OF PHYSICAL, UM, SURGERY OR SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET IN YOUR CAR AND DRIVE TO TOWN HALL, BUT
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YOU COULD ZOOM INTO A MEETING FROM YOUR HOME.SO I COULD, THAT WOULD REALLY BE NICE IF WE COULD GET TO A HYBRID MODEL, RIGHT? YEAH, IT WOULD, THAT WOULD, WOULD HELP US ON QUA OF ALL ALL THOSE REASONS.
IT WOULD HELP US SOME QUALM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COULD PARTICIPATE BUT NOT NECESSARILY GET TO TOWN.
LET ME, DOES PEOPLE MIND SAYING WHETHER THEY'VE BEEN VACCINATED OR NOT? I HAVEN'T BEEN VACCINATED.
WE'VE ALL VACCINATED, BEEN VACCINATED.
MARGARET, YOU'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN VACCINATED.
YOU VACCIN I'VE BEEN VACCINATED.
SO EVERYONE'S BEEN VACCINATED, WHICH IS GOOD.
SO, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD.
BUT STILL, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IN-PERSON MEETINGS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, MAYBE IT DOESN'T START FOR US TILL THE FALL OR SOMETHING, BUT, UH, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IN-PERSON MEETINGS.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ALL GET A LOT OUT OF BEING WITH EACH OTHER AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE DOING REALLY GOOD ON ZOOM, BUT WE DO GET A, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE GET A HYBRIDS ALSO, THAT WOULD MEAN LIKE, YOU KNOW, AARON, YOU COULD BE, EVEN IF EVERYBODY ELSE WAS TOGETHER, YOU COULD BE ON ZOOM, RIGHT? YES.
AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, MISS THE EVENING WITH THE KIDS.
YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN WAVING TO THEM.
OKAY, WE'LL TRY IT ONE MORE TIME.