[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL AGENDA MEETING TO BE HELD VIA ZOOM-ENABLED VIDEO CONFERENCE THURSDAY, June 10, 2021 – 6:30 P.M. ]
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AND I THINK AARON JUST SET US TO BE RECORDING THE, UM, MEETING.
SO THE VERY FIRST THING TO DO IS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
UNLESS SOMEONE HAS SOMETHING TO CHANGE, HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE MINUTES.
I RECEIVED, UM, THREE FREE PERMITS.
NONE OF THEM WERE PARTICULARLY UNUSUAL, KIND OF PLAIN VANILLA.
UH, I DID NOT HAVE THE ATTACHMENTS.
KAREN IS GOING TO WORK WITH SWEEN TO BE SURE.
HE SENDS ME ALL OF THE ATTACHMENTS SO I CAN LIKE REALLY LOOK AT THEM.
'CAUSE WHEN WE HAVE ONE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OFF, I CERTAINLY WILL COMMENT AND BRING IT TO THE GROUP.
UM, ON THAT, AS I JUST WANNA DO A LITTLE, LAUREN IS GOING TO JOIN US LATE IF SHE IS ABLE TO JOIN US.
UH, SHE IS, UM, SHOWING A CUSTOMER FROM OUT OF TOWN, A HOUSE.
AND, UM, THEY WERE RUNNING LATE SINCE SHE DID CALL.
VERY, WE, WE HAVE A REALLY, UM, KIND OF FALL AGENDA TONIGHT IN TERMS OF JUST TALKING ABOUT STUFF TO BRING EVERYONE UP TO SPEED ON THINGS.
UM, AND ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I'M HONORED BE A LITTLE BIT PEDANTIC AND PERHAPS OBNOXIOUS, BUT YOU KNOW THIS, AND I WOULD ASK YES, AARON, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT TERRY, WE HAVE A, UM, VISITOR IN THE WAITING ROOM.
CARL PFEIFFER, WERE YOU EXPECTING WE WE'RE EXPECTING HIM? YES.
WHO? TERRY, WHO IS HE? HE'S, UH, SOMEONE WHO HAD REACHED OUT TO, UH, DOREEN LATER IN THE MEETING.
HE'D LIKE, THEY'D LIKE TO TALK TO US ABOUT, UM, THE IMPACT OF STADIUM LIGHTS ON THE HOUSES NEXT TO WHERE THEY'RE PLANNING TO PUT THEM.
I GUESS WE COULD ACTUALLY START OUT WITH THAT AND THEN, UM, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO STAY FOR THE MEETING IF THEY DIDN'T WANT TO.
I JUST WANNA SAY, I'M GONNA HAVE TO LEAVE KIND OF EARLY.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO ELMWOOD ELMWOOD SOMETIME WHILE I'M HERE.
SO IF I THINK, WELL THEN WE'LL GO RIGHT INTO THAT.
SO I WANT, WHAT I WAS STARTING TO SAY IS I WILL PERIODICALLY, BECAUSE EVERYONE IS NEW TO THIS AND, UM, WE'RE ALL IN A KIND OF A LEARNING CURVE, IS THAT, UM, I'M GONNA SAY SOME THINGS THAT YOU MAY KNOW, YOU MAY NOT KNOW OR SEEM OBVIOUS, BUT IT PLAYS INTO THE LONGER VIEW.
WHEN WE START TO TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE, UM, LARGE PROJECTS LIKE THIS OR EVEN SMALL HOUSING PROJECTS, ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT WE ONLY IMPACT THINGS THAT ARE IN UNINCORPORATED GREENBERG.
AN UNINCORPORATED GREENBERG IS THE GREENBERG OUTSIDE OF THE VILLAGES.
AND THE, THE VILLAGES TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN STANDARDS FOR WHAT CAN BE BUILT AND WHAT CAN'T BE BUILT.
AND WE DON'T COMMENT ON THE VILLAGES.
AND THE VILLAGES ESSENTIALLY CANNOT FORCE US TO DO ANYTHING.
SOMETIMES IF A PROJECT IS RIGHT NEAR A VILLAGE, THEY'LL BE ASKED TO OFFER AN OPINION AS WILL UNINCORPORATED.
BUT THE ACTUAL LAW IS AT THE VILLAGE LEVEL, OR FOR US AT THE TOWN LEVEL, WHEN WE COLLECT TAXES, THE TOWN TAX IS BASED, ALL THE TAX IS BASED ON THE ASSESSED VALUATIONS.
THE TOWN ONLY CONTROLS THE TOWN TAX.
UM, THE ASSESSED VALUATION IS DONE THROUGHOUT THE TOWN.
WE HAD A VAL, SO ESSENTIALLY A HOUSE THAT IS IN ANYWHERE IN UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG.
IF THAT HOUSE IS WORTH $800,000, ITS TOWN TAX IS THE SAME.
THAT HOUSE, DEPENDING ON WHICH SCHOOL DISTRICT IT IS IN WHICH FIRE DISTRICT IT'S IN, WILL HAVE DIFFERENT TAXES.
SO WHEN WE START TO LOOK AT AN ANALYSIS, AND THIS ELMWOOD ONE IS A VERY GOOD CASE.
'CAUSE PART OF THE PROPERTY IS IN THE ELMSFORD SCHOOL DISTRICT PART IS IN THE GREENBERG SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SO THE DIFFERENT SCHOOL DISTRICTS WILL GET DIFFERENT AMOUNTS OF MONEY EVENTUALLY WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT COMES.
THERE'S A LOT GOING ON WITH ELMWOOD.
ONE OF THE THINGS IS AT THE VERY LATE HOUR, THE APPLICANT HAS COME BACK WITH AN ALTERNATIVE.
NOW, THE APPLICANT ORIGINALLY HAD COME IN ASKING TO BUILD A HUNDRED SEVENTY EIGHT FIFTY FIVE AND OLDER TOWNHOUSES.
AND THESE TOWNHOUSES WERE GOING TO ONLY LIKE HALF OF THEM BE OCCUPIED BY ONE PERSON.
IT WAS 40% WERE GONNA BE OCCUPIED BY ONE PERSON, EVEN
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THOUGH IT HAD LIKE FOUR BEDROOMS AND FOUR PARKING GARAGES.UM, AS, AS A RESULT IT WAS GOING TO HAVE VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC BECAUSE EVERYONE OVER 55 BASICALLY DIDN'T GO TO WORK.
UH, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE EMBEDDED ASSUMPTIONS.
SO WE HAVE THIS D I S PROCESS, DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT PROCESS, WHICH WAS STARTED FOR THIS PROJECT WITH THIS BEING THE APPLICANT'S PREFERRED CASE.
AND SOME ALTERNATIVE CASES WERE OR OFFERED, BUT THEY WERE NOT ADEQUATE BECAUSE ONE OF THE MAIN ONES THAT WAS MISSING WAS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY THE WAY IT WAS ZONED TO BE DEVELOPED.
AND THERE WAS AN ERROR IN TERMS OF THE APPLICANT SAID, WELL, I DON'T WANNA GIVE 16 ACRES THAT COULD BE USED FOR RECREATION.
AND THE REALITY IS THAT THE APPLICANT DOESN'T HAVE A CHOICE IN THAT THE WAY THE TOWN CODE IS WRITTEN, THE USE OF GIVING MONEY INSTEAD OF LAND IS UP TO THE COMMISSIONER OF PARKS AND RECREATION.
SO IF THE COMMISSIONER OF PARKS AND RECREATION SAYS, NO, NO, NO, IT'S UP TO TOWN, IT'S UP TO THE TOWN BOARD, TOWN BOARD.
SO, SO THERE'S, THERE'S AN ISSUE THERE.
SO THE, THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ASKED ABOUT WHAT WAS IN THE D E I S BECAUSE THINGS WERE MISSING.
THERE WERE THINGS IN THERE WHERE YOU COULDN'T REALLY MAKE THE COMPARISONS BECAUSE INFORMATION WAS MISSING AND YOU HAD NO INFORMATION.
SO ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, THE APPLICANT PUT IN AN ENTIRELY NEW PROPOSAL AS WE'RE GETTING VERY CLOSE TO THE POINT WHERE THE FINAL F E I S WOULD BE BEING PRESENTED TO THE TOWN BOARD TO REVIEW.
AND, UM, WE'VE ACTUALLY PUT UP A LIST OF THINGS THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC AND I'LL READ THEM TO YOU, BUT I'M KIND TRYING TO GIVE YOU KIND OF THE, THE BACKGROUND OF WHERE WE ARE.
THE NEW PROPOSAL IS FOR 178 TOWNHOUSES AND WITH NO AGE RESTRICTION.
BUT THE APPLICANT IS SAYING THAT, UM, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME, THAT THEY WILL BE FEE SIMPLE.
SO THEREFORE THEY WILL BE TO PAY TAXES AT THE SAME RATE AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE WOULD AS THEY ARE ASSESSED, THEY WOULD BE TAXED.
SO MIKE AND I HAVE BEEN BOUNCING SOME STUFF BACK AND FORTH AND I THINK MIKE, I'M GONNA READ OUR LIST OF, OF PROBLEMS AT THIS POINT TO GET EVERYONE KIND OF WHERE WE AND I ARE.
I'M HARRY, YOU, YOU WERE GARBLED.
I SAID I'M GOING TO READ THE LIST WE PUT TOGETHER FOR EVERYBODY.
DID YOU, MAYBE YOU SHOULD, MAYBE YOU SHOULD WRITE NOW, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
SEND IT OUT TO EVERYONE SO THEY COULD LOOK AT IT AS YOU GO THROUGH IT.
IS THAT GONNA BE GOOD FOR PEOPLE? IF THEY CAN, CAN THEY BRING UP COMFORTABLE BRINGING UP A DOCUMENT WHILE THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON ZOOM.
OKAY, LET ME JUST SHRINK THIS A LITTLE BIT.
GETTING HERE DISAPPEARING FOR THE MOMENT.
UM, WELL, TERRY DOING THAT, LEMME GO BACK.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT SHE WAS SAYING? WHAT THE APPLICANT WAS SAYING WAS HE WAS DOING 175 THAT, WELL, THE BASELINE IS YOU CAN HAVE A HUNDRED IN THESE, IN, IN, FOR THIS PROPERTY UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING CODE, YOU CAN HAVE 119 SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES.
SOME OF 'EM ON R 20, R 20 IS A HALF AN OR 30 OR 33 QUARTERS OF AN ACRE.
YOU HAVE 119 HOUSES, SOME ON A HALF ACRE, SOME ON THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE.
PROPOSED TO BUILD 175 TOWNHOUSES, AGE RESTRICTED 55 PLUS.
IT WAS REVIEWED BY THE C A C AND, UH, THE C A C AND REVIEWED BY THE WESTCHESTER, UH, COUNTY PLANNING BOARD, UM, BOTH THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY PLANNING BOARD AND THE C A C SAID, HEY, YOU'RE DOUBLING DENSITY.
THEY ARE, UM, INCREASING DENSITY BY 47%.
AND, UM, THERE'S A WHOLE HOST OF PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH DOUBLING DENSITY IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE, STARTING WITH THE FACT THAT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADOPTED BY THE TOWN IN 2016, UM, UM, IT IS A ABSOLUTE FLAT OUT STATEMENT, WHICH WAS PUT IN THERE AT THE REQUEST.
THE C A C, THE RESIDENTIAL ZONES WILL NOT HAVE ANY MORE DENSITY THAN
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THEY NOW HAVE.UM, UM, SO THIS AND, AND ZONING LAWS REQUIRE AND STATE LAWS ZONING, LOCAL ZONING LAWS REQUIRED TO BE CONFORMITY WITH THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO THIS APPEARS TO VIOLATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND DERIVATIVELY STATE LAW.
IT, UM, VIOLATES THE PROMISES THAT WERE MADE TO THE PUBLIC AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND TO TIE, WHEN YOU SUBDIVIDE LAND, THIS IS A BIG GOLF COURSE AND IT'S, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A SUBDIVISION, UH, PART OF THE TOWN CODE.
AND THAT REQUIRES, WHEN YOU SUBDIVIDE LAND OF THIS QUANTUM, YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DONATION OF LAND TO, TO THE TOWN.
UM, THERE'S AN ALTERNATIVE TO DONATE MONEY IN, IN LIEU OF LAND, BUT ONLY IN THE SOLE DISCRETION.
THE TOWN CODE SAYS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE TOWN BOARD, THE HO THE APPLICANT WAS HOLDING HOSTAGE AND SAID, I WILL ONLY GIVE YOU LAND IF YOU LET ME HAVE DOUBLE THE DENSITY IN THIS RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
UM, HE DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.
UM, THE REASON THE PARKS, TERRY, AND I'VE TALKED TO THE PARKS COMMISSIONER JERRY BURNS, JERRY WANTS THE LAND INSTEAD OF MONEY BECAUSE IT'S VERY NOT MANY PLACES IN GREENBURG YOU CAN GET THREE BALL FIELDS.
I MEAN, GREENBURG'S PRETTY MUCH BUILT OUT.
SO JERRY QUITE RATIONALLY, UH, AND UNDERSTANDABLY WANTS THE LAND AND THE DEVELOPER SAYING, I WON'T GIVE YOU THE LAND UNLESS YOU LET ME HAVE INCREASE IN DENSITY.
SO THOSE WERE, THAT'S THE BACKGROUND.
AND THEN THEY CAME IN WITH A NEW PROPOSAL, UH, DATED MAY 20TH, LAST 10 DAYS OF MAY SAYING, UH, HEY, UH, WE STILL WANT 175 HOUSES, OR MAYBE IT'S 178 NOW, I DON'T KNOW.
AND BUT IT'S NO AGE RESTRICTED AND SOMEHOW MIRACULOUSLY THERE'S NO MORE TRAFFIC.
AND THEN, WHICH I'M SURE QUITE UNDERSTANDABLE TO EVERYONE ON THIS PHONE CALL EXCEPT ME, UH, UH, THEN, UH, THEY WERE ASKED PAUL FINA WHEN THIS WAS, WAS ENTERED THE TOWN BOARD ON MAY 25, PAUL SAID, WELL, I ASSUME THAT 175 TOWNHOUSES ARE BRINGING IN ABOUT THE SAME REAL ESTATE TAXES AS, UH, AS THE ORIGINAL 119 SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES.
AND THE APPLICANT SAID, OH NO, THE TOWNHOUSES WILL SELL FOR THE SAME PRICE AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES ON ONE HALF ACRE AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ON THREE QUARTERS ACRES.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND HE ALSO SAID, AND THERE'S A BRIDGE HE HAS GOING TO BROOKLYN, HE'D LIKE TO SELL.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
AND SO THIS IS KIND OF THE CORE OF WHAT TERRY HAD WORKED ON.
I GAVE A FEW SUGGESTIONS, PRIMARY TERRY'S WORK, AND TERRY WILL, UH, UH, CENTERED AROUND EVERYONE AND EVERYONE CAN KINDA READ IT.
SO, SO WHAT WE BASICALLY HAVE IS WE'VE BEEN LISTING OUT THE PROBLEMS. I THINK THE FIRST TWO MIKE HAS REALLY COVERED BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS REAL PROBLEM THAT, UM, THERE ARE TWO THINGS.
THERE ARE ACTUALLY PROBLEMS WITH THE APPLICATION PER SE.
AND THEN WITH THE PROCESS, THE HOUR IS BEING HANDLED.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS WHOLE TRAFFIC ISSUE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BEARS ON THE TRAFFIC ISSUE, ASIDE FROM THE FACT THAT THE ROADS ARE IMPASSABLE AND THAT, UM, DS FERRY ROAD DUMPS INTO A HUNDRED A, WHICH IS ALSO IMPASSABLE, IS THAT NEXT TO THIS SITE IS ONE OF THE FAIRVIEW FIRE DISTRICT'S FIREHOUSES.
AND THAT FIREHOUSE SERVICES, UH, HILLTOP FARMS, UH, ORCHARD HILL.
AND CURRENTLY, I MEAN THIS GOES BACK 'CAUSE I WOULD GO OUT ONTO D FAIR ROAD ON MY WAY TO WORK 20 YEARS AGO, AND I COULDN'T GET ON DUBS FER ROAD.
AND BACK THEN I USED TO THINK, MY GOD, IF THERE'S EVER A FIRE, WHAT WILL HAPPEN? THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THE ENGINES BECAUSE THERE IS NO SHOULDER ON THIS ROAD.
SO LITERALLY, THE MORE TRAFFIC YOU PUT ON THE ROAD, THE WORSE THE PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE.
GOD FORBID IF THERE IS A FIRE DURING THE WORKING TIME UP IN ORCHARD HILL OR HILLTOP, THE ENGINE IS JUST NOT GONNA GET THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET UP.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO STAND IN LINE AND WAIT FOR THE LIGHTS TO CHANGE TO GET UP TO TURN INTO THAT AREA.
SO THERE ARE REAL SAFETY ISSUES AS WELL AS JUST THE BURDEN ON THE COMMUNITY OF THE EXTRA DENSITY ON THE ROADS.
UM, AS MIKE REFERRED TO THIS, THERE'S, WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT IN THAT AREA, LITERALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPERTY, NEW HOUSES ARE BEING BUILT AND THEY ARE BEING ASSESSED AT A MILLION, 1,000,002.
AND THESE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT SHOULD BE BEING USED.
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MAKE A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE INCOME FROM THE TOWNHOUSES AND THE INCOME FROM THE HOUSES, IT HAS TO BE ON A COMPARABLE KIND OF HOUSE.AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE SAYING THEY WERE USING A CONSERVATIVE NUMBER OF $740,000 FOR THE TOWNHOUSE.
WELL, THE REALITY IS THAT A HOUSE ON A, A NEW HOUSE ON AN R 20 OR AN R 30 LOT SELLS FOR MUCH MORE THAN THAT.
I MEAN, DOWN THE BLOCK FOR ME ON AN R 75 LOT A HOUSE BUILT IN THE 1930S A MONTH AGO SOLD FOR 150 THOU $750,000.
GRANTED IT WAS IN GOOD CONDITION, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING OLD SMALL LOT, YOU KNOW THAT YOU GET TO AN R 20 OR AN R 30 LOT, IT'S GONNA BE A LARGER HOUSE, IT'S GOING TO BE BRAND NEW, WHICH HAS A, A PREMIUM ON THE PRICE WHEN YOU SELL IT.
SO YOU NEED REAL NUMBERS THERE.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE THOUGHT OF THAT REALLY SORT OF BOTHERS ME IS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS IN THIS DEAL THAT THE DEVELOPER IS DOING IS THAT HE WANTS TO TAKE CARE OF BUILDING THE BALL FIELDS, BUILDING THE FACILITIES FOR THE BATHROOMS AND SUCH ON THE PROPERTY.
WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT ONCE WE GET THE BALL FIELDS BUILT, IS THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING? HAS ANYONE GOTTEN LIKE STRANGE SCREENS? SHARON, ARE YOU SHARE SHARING YOUR SCREEN? GOOD? YES.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET THE BALL FIELDS BUILT, WE HAVE TO PAY TO MAINTAIN THEM.
SO I FEEL VERY STRONGLY SOMEONE OUGHT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE BALL FIELD NEED OF THE UNINCORPORATED GREENBERG RESIDENTS.
AND IF IN FACT, NOW OR IN THE FUTURE WE PROVIDE BALL FIELDS FOR OTHER COMMUNITIES, HOW MANY BALL FIELDS DO THE OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE? YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO PROBLEM PAYING FOR OUR FAIR SHARE.
I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A PROBLEM THAT, YOU KNOW, UNINCORPORATED GREENBERG PROVIDES THE BALL FIELDS FOR MIDWEST CHESTER AND EVERYBODY ELSE GETS TO WALK AWAY AND NOT HAVE TO PAY TO MAINTAIN THEM OR ANYTHING IN THAT ORDER.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'LL FIND ON, ON THE LIST OF ITEMS. UM, THE OTHER THING WAS THAT THERE WAS PROBLEMS WITH THE PROCESS.
THE WAY WE'RE GOING ON NOW, UH, REALLY THIS PARTICULAR, PARTICULAR, UM, PROPOSAL IS SO DIFFERENT FROM THE PRIOR ONE BECAUSE THERE WERE ALL SORTS OF EMBEDDED THINGS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE 55 AND OVER WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE CHILDREN, WHICH OF COURSE WE QUESTION THAT GIVEN THE AGE, MOST PEOPLE ARE HAVING KIDS TODAY, BUT IT WAS LIKE EMBEDDED WITH, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA DRIVE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO THIS.
AND NOW THE APPLICANT IS COMING BACK AND SAYING THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT'S A TOTALLY NEW PROPOSAL.
SO IT REALLY SEEMS AS THOUGH THE PROCESS SHOULD BE THAT THERE'S A D E I S DONE ON THIS PROPOSAL.
SO THE COMMUNITY AND THE INTERESTED AGENCIES CAN ASK THE APPROPRIATE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL AND NOT BE SORT OF PUSHED THAT THEY HAVE NO OPPORTUNITY FOR REAL ANALYSIS AND QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE REALLY HAVE NO MATERIAL IN SOME WAYS TO QUESTION THE ANALYSIS THEY'RE PRESENTING BECAUSE THERE ISN'T THE MATERIALS THERE.
AND WE REALLY HAD ASKED, AND WE REALLY FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT THE PROCESS SHOULD BE ONE THAT BEFORE SOMETHING GETS PUT OUT AS THE FINAL E I S FOR CONSIDERATION AND ADOPTION BY THE TOWN BOARD, THE INTERESTING PART PARTY SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY WELCOME KEN, UH, TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, I ASKED, WE ASKED THIS QUESTION, WAS THIS QUESTION ACTUALLY ANSWERED? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY EASY WHEN A QUESTION IS ASKED, SOMETIMES MAYBE EVEN IN GOOD FAITH, PEOPLE THINK THEY'VE ANSWERED THE QUESTION, BUT THEY DIDN'T.
OR THEY COMBINE QUESTIONS THAT HAD A SUBTLETY BETWEEN THEM AND THEY DON'T REALIZE, THEY DON'T RECOGNIZE THAT SUBTLETY BETWEEN QUESTION A AND QUESTION B.
THEY LOOK VERY SIMILAR, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE SAME QUESTION.
SO WE REALLY FEEL IN TERMS OF PROCESS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD TAKE PLACE THAT PEOPLE CAN GET TO LOOK AT THIS DOCUMENT AND GO BACK KIND OF TO THE CONSULTANT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE COMMUNITY'S DOCUMENT GOING TO THE TOWN AND YOU KNOW, THERE SHOULD BE SOME INPUT HERE AND AND AT LEAST VETTING.
AND THE FINAL THING WAS THAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD, WELL THAT'S NOT HAPPENING BECAUSE
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THE TOWN DOESN'T REALLY WANNA BURDEN THE APPLICANT WITH EXTRA EXPENSE BECAUSE THE APPLICANT DOES PAY FOR THIS PROCESS.AND WE DIDN'T REALLY BELIEVE IN TERMS OF PROCESS THAT, UM, IT SHOULD BE THE ROLE OF THE TOWN TO PREVENT INTERESTING AGENCIES FROM INTERACTING WITH THE CONSULTING FIRM PREPARING THE FINAL E I S TO SAVE THE APPLICANT MONEY.
UH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT IS A VERY WEALTHY ORGANIZATION, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND IT JUST SEEMS THAT THIS IS NOT, YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY BURDENSOME.
IT WASN'T LIKE SOMEONE WAS JUST TRYING TO RUN UP.
SO I, I THINK MAYA GET ANYTHING TO ADD? YEAH, TWO THINGS.
ONE IS, UM, SINCE WE STARTED OUR MEETING, THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSIONER HAS, UH, SAID THAT IF THE TOWN WOULD REFER THIS NEW PROPOSAL, UH, WHICH IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THAN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, UH, THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY, UH, PLANNING BOARD WOULD LOOK AT IT AND ISSUE A, UH, UM, ISSUE A, UH, UH, RECOMMENDATION.
UM, TO DATE WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY UPDATED INFORMATION ON THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
I AM MOVING THE 55 PLUS RESTRICTION, WE'D RESPOND TO THE TOWN ON ANY NEW REFERRAL FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
ONE IS KEN, UM, IS THE TOWN REFERRING THIS TO WESTCHESTER? THE, THE CHANGE, UH, TO WESTCHESTER COUNTY? YOU'RE ON MUTE, KEN.
UM, I WOULD HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
WELL, I'LL, I'LL SEND THIS AROUND EVERYONE INCLUDING, INCLUDING YOU.
I DON'T, I DON'T RECALL HAVING, HAVING, UM, HAVING VOTED TO DO THAT.
UM, OKAY, WELL, I I'LL SEND THIS AROUND EVERYONE INCLUDING YOU.
UM, THE OTHER THING I JUST WANT YOU TO CONFIRM WHAT I TOLD, UH, THE C A C BEFORE YOU GOT ON THAT AT THE, THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS PROPOSAL WAS MADE ON, UH, MAY 20TH.
IT WENT TO THE, IT PRESENTED TO THE TOWN BOARD ON MAY 25TH.
PAUL ASKED THE QUESTION WHERE HE SAID, IN SUBSTANCE, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE REAL ESTATE TAXES, THE TOWN'S GONNA GET FROM 175 TOWNHOUSES ABOUT THE SAME AS WE WOULD GET FROM THE, THE 119, UH, UM, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, HUNDRED 19 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.
WHAT'S ALLOWED THERE UNDER THE PRESENT ZONING? YOU KNOW, IT'S OUR, IT'S R 20 AND R 30, IT'S, UM, SO, UM, UM, R 20 IS HALF ACRE, R 33
AND THE APPLICANT, JONATHAN SAID, NO, THESE TOWNHOUSES WILL SELL FOR THE SAME AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.
AND OKAY, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE C A C IS SOMEWHAT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN PUZZLE PUZZLED AND INCREDULOUS THAT TOWNHOUSES WILL SELL FOR THE SAME AS A NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT ON A HALF ACRE OR A NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ON THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE.
AND THAT WHAT WAS, AND THAT IS WHAT WAS REPRESENTED TO THE TOWN BOARD AS THE BASIS AS TO WHY THIS IS GOOD FOR THE TOWN, BUT THE TOWN WILL GET MORE REAL ESTATE TAXES.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE A FEW MODEST THINGS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, IS IT REALLY INTUITIVE THAT, UH, ONCE YOU MOVE THE AGE RESTRICTION, THE TRAFFIC DOESN'T INCREASE? THEY SAY IT DOESN'T, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, A WHOLE BIG POINT IN, IN THIS FIELD GOING UP FRONT BEFORE THIS, IT WOULD
NOW, THERE'S NO AGE RESTRICTIONS.
EACH OF THESE TOWNHOUSES, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, HAS UH, THREE BEDROOMS AND FOUR PARKING PLACES.
IS IS THAT RIGHT, TERRY? IS THAT THE, I I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT IT'S, I THINK, YEAH, I, I MEAN I THINK THAT'S THE ONE, ONE THAT'S ALMOST, UH, LAUGHABLE, UH, IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY CAME IN WITH.
I MEAN, I, I I, I GUESS YOU HAVE TO, TO BE A GOOD LAWYER, YOU NEED A STRAY FACE.
BUT, UH, SO, SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THOSE ARE THINGS WE'RE PUZZLING THROUGH.
ANOTHER IS, IT IS SAID THE TOWN WILL GET A BUNCH OF TAXES BECAUSE THESE WILL BE, THAT THEY ARE GONNA PUT IN
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THE DEEDED.THESE WILL BE OWNED IN FEE SIMPLE AND NOT AS, AND NOT AS PART OF A CONDOMINIUM.
UM, IT'S NOT TIED UP WITH ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, NOW IN DOBBS FERRY, A DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS THIS CONVERTED FROM FEE SIMPLE OWNERSHIP TO CONDOMINIUM OWNERSHIP, AND IT WENT TO COURT AND THE COURT SAID THEY HAD THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.
SO ANOTHER QUESTION I ASSUME OF IMPORTANCE TO THE TOWN IS, IS THE REPRESENTATION THAT THIS WILL ALWAYS BE FEE SIMPLE, AND THAT WOULD BE A CONDOMINIUM, THIS KIND OF AN IMPORTANT REPRESENTATION BECAUSE ONCE IT BECOMES A, IF IT HYPOTHE WERE TO BECOME A CONDOMINIUM, YOU BASICALLY CUT YOUR REVENUE FLOW INTO THE TOWN BY ABOUT 50%, BUT YOU DON'T REDUCE ANY OF THE TOWN SERVICES TO THE TOWNHOUSES.
I MEAN, PEOPLE IN TOWNHOUSES GET FIRE PROTECTION, POLICE PROTECTION, JUST LIKE THEY LIVE IN A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
SO YOU'RE TURNING SOMETHING THAT IS ASSERTED TO BE PROFITABLE TO TOWN, TO SOMETHING THAT MAYBE IS A BREAK EVEN EVEN NEGATIVE.
SO DISTINCTION BETWEEN THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE LANDING, WHICH I BELIEVE YOU'RE REFERRING TO IN DOBBS FERRY, WAS THAT THE DEEDS TO THESE UNITS WOULD HAVE THAT STIPULATION IN THEM THAT WOULD RUN WITH THE LAND AND THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CHALLENGE THEM, UM, UNLESS OF COURSE THEY ALL GOT TOGETHER AND WENT TO COURT TOGETHER TO, TO, AND THE QUESTION IS, BECAUSE TERRY WAS TOLD THAT THIS WRONG LEGAL AUTHORITY, IMPEACHABLE, WHAT WAS THE WORD USED? TERRY? UH, LET'S SEE, WHAT CASE LAW EXISTS WHERE A DECISION HAS BEEN MADE THAT UPHOLDS THE APPLICANT'S CLAIM THAT IF THE DEED REQUIRES THE PROPERTIES TO REMAIN FEE SIMPLE, THEY WILL REMAIN FEE SIMPLE AND NOT CONVERT TO CONDOMINIUM OWNERSHIP.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE RUN INTO THAT THING, YOU KNOW, WE RAN INTO THAT WITH, UM, WHEN WE WERE DEALING WITH METROPOLIS WHERE WE, THERE WAS A STATEMENT MADE AND THEN IN FACT THERE WAS NO LAW TO SUPPORT IT.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE, SO THE QUESTION IS, IS IS THERE A CASE OUT THERE WHERE SOMEONE HAD THIS IN THEIR DEED TO RUN WITH THEIR DEEDED AND THEY WENT TO COURT AND SAID, WE WANNA BE A CONDOMINIUM.
AND THE COURT SAID, NO, YOU CAN'T.
AND THEN YOU'D SAY, YES, THEN, THEN THAT'S A VALID THING.
OTHERWISE IT'S UP TO THE POSSIBILITY THAT THEY COULD IN FIVE OR SIX YEARS TAKE THIS DEED AND GO COLLECTIVELY AND SUE TO HAVE THE DEEDED CHANGED.
NOW YOU'RE A LAWYER, SO I MAY NOT BE EXPRESSING THIS CORRECTLY, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WENT THROUGH MY HEAD SINCE EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE, UH, CAPABLE OF BEING LITIGATED TODAY.
TERRY, WHAT WERE YOU TOLD, YOU WERE TOLD THERE'S A MEMO, THERE'S CASE LAW, THERE WAS SOMETHING YOU WERE TOLD IT'S UNIMPEACHABLE.
YOU WERE, WHAT WERE THE WORDS THAT YOU WERE TOLD? UH, WELL, I WAS, I WASN'T TOLD ANYTHING SPECIFIC, BUT I JUST, JUST LISTENING TO THE, TO THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED, I GUESS AT THAT NIGHT IT JUST WAS PRESENTED THAT IT WAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING COULD CHANGE ON IT.
AND I THINK THAT THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING THAT DEMONSTRATES THAT THAT'S THE CASE.
AND THAT'S A VERY BIG ISSUE I THINK IN, IN A, IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS.
IN TERMS OF, SO WE, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF SERIOUS ISSUES.
ONE IS LIKE FOUR OR FIVE SERIOUS ISSUES.
ONE IS IT DOUBLES THE DENSITY, IT GOES UP 47%.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAID IN RESIDENTIAL ZONES, WE'RE NOT GONNA DOUBLE, WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA INCREASE THE DENSITY.
IT SAYS WE'RE NOT GONNA INCREASE DANCING RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
THIS DOES IT BY DOUBLING IT 47%.
SO YOU CREATE THIS PRECEDENT THAT CAN BE DOUBLED ANY PLACE IN THE TOWN.
YOU KNOW, IS THAT SOMETHING THE TOWN REALLY WANTS TO DO? THAT'S ONE.
TWO, IS IT, IS IT TRUE THAT IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT INTUITIVE THAT IT, THAT TOWNHOUSES SELL FOR THE SAME PRICE AS HALF ACRE.
NEW, NEW RESIDE ON HALF ACRES AND NEW IS ON THREE QUARTERS ACRES.
UH, THAT'S JUST NOT INTUITIVE.
UH, IS IT TRUE THERE'S NO MORE TRAFFIC ONCE YOU MOVE THE AGE RESTRICTION? THAT'S NOT, AND IS IT TRUE?
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YES.AND IS IT TRUE THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU PUT IN A COVENANT THAT UH, WE WON'T, UH, WE WON'T HAVE A CHANGE FEE OWNERSHIP.
UM, YOU KNOW, IS IT TRUE THAT THAT REALLY MEANS THAT'S FINE IF THEY ALL GOT TOGETHER AND SAID, ALL OF US THAT HAVE THIS COVENANT WANT TO GET RID OF IT.
UM, AND, UM, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, UH, LOOK AT JOE MOORE.
THE NUNS HAD A COVENANT, THE NUNS HAD A COVENANT THAT THE PROPERTY, ADJACENT PROPERTY COULD NOT BE, UH, UM, MULTIFAMILY.
UM, UH, WHAT WORK WE WANT TO KNOW HAS BEEN DONE? WHAT SUPPORT IS THERE FOR THIS? WHAT WORK HAS BEEN DONE TO SAY THE TOWN, ALL THESE REPRESENTATIONS BEING MADE TO THE TOWN THAT YOU'RE GONNA DOUBLE YOUR TAXES AND YOUR, AND AND IT WON'T GO AWAY AND EVERYTHING.
WHAT, WHAT WORK THE TOWNS, AND NOW WE'VE GOT THE, UM, COMMISSIONER OF WESTCHESTER COUNTY PLANNING SAYING, IF YOU SEND THIS TO US, WE'LL ANALYZE IT AND WHAT WAS SENT WAS THE ORIGINAL, BUT THIS IS WHAT, THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A HELL OF A DIFFERENT DEAL THAN THE ORIGINAL.
AND THEN FINALLY IS TERRY'S POINT, A COUPLE, TERRY'S POINT SHE SAYING, I THINK YOU DID HEAR THESE MAYBE NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN FINALLY I IS SUPPOSED TO BE WITHOUT IT THROUGH SOME TT PROCESS.
HOW CAN THIS NEW PROPOSAL JUST SHOW UP AS FINAL MEAN? IT'S NOT LIKE THE DRAFT TING PROCESS AND PEOPLE GOTTA ASK QUESTIONS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE PUT IN THE FINAL.
AND THEN WE ASKED, WE SENT A FORMAL MEMO TO SAID WE'D LIKE TO THE WERE TOLD TO, OH NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE GOSH, WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY, UH, THE WOULD'VE TO PAY, UH, UM, THE CONSULTANT FEES FOR THE TIME TO MEET WITH YOU.
WELL, YOU KNOW, IS THAT REALLY THE TOWN BOY'S POSITION THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, IS SO ALL DOMINANT IN, IN THE LAND USE PROCESS THAT, UH, THEY WON'T REQUIRE, UH, A MEETING WOULD BE CAC? UM, WELL, I DON'T RECALL.
DID, DID, DID WE SAY THAT YOU, YOU WEREN'T ALLOWED TO MEET WITH THE, THE CONSULTANT BECAUSE IT WOULD COST THE APPLICANT TOO MUCH MONEY? THAT WAS WHAT GARRETT SAID TO ME.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD ARGUE THAT WE, WE COULD REVISIT THAT, BUT I WOULD, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THIS, THAT THE, THAT THIS WAS STILL THE DRAFT D I S NO, WELL, WE HAD A DRAFT D I S WE HAD, I DON'T KNOW, ONE OR TWO HEARINGS.
UM, THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ISSUED A REPORT, C C S REPORT.
DOREEN HAD A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS, VARIOUS OTHER RESIDENTS HAD QUESTIONS.
THEN WHAT HAPPENS, KEN, IS IT GOES BACK AND THE, THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE CONS.
WE ASKED THE CONS, WE ASKED THE QUESTION, WHO PREPARES THE FINAL? WE WERE TOLD AS CONSULTANT, IT'S THE TOWN'S DOCUMENT, RIGHT? I CHECKED THAT IN SEQUEL AND THAT'S RIGHT.
RIGHT NOW, ALL OF US, AGAIN, YOU WON'T REMEMBER THIS.
YOU SHOULD, NO REASON, WELL SHOULD, IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE TOWN BOARD ON MAY 25TH AT THE WORK SESSION MM-HMM.
SOMEWHERE BETWEEN CURIOUS AND DEAD WRONG.
THE PROPOSAL, GUESS WHO'S LETTERHEAD THE PROPOSAL IS ON? I GIVE YOU THREE GUESSES.
UM, THE, UH, IS IT THE TOWN IS, IS IT THE, UM, IS IT THE TOWN AS THE LEAD AGENCY? IS IT THE COMMISSIONER OF PLANNING OR IS IT THE APPLICANT? WELL, BASED ON THE, BASED ON THE CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING, I SUSPECT IT'S THE APPLICANT.
AND THIS IS, NOW LET ME COMBINE THAT WITH ANOTHER QUESTION.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE TITLE THE RAY LINE WAS? AND THERE'S NO WAY YOU WOULD REMOVE THIS.
THE RAY LINE, AND I THINK YOU HAVE A COPY, IF NOT, I'LL SEND YOU ONE LATER THIS EVENING.
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PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE.NOW FOCUS ON THESE FIVE OR SIX WORDS.
IN A FOOD ONE, WHAT IN THE HELL IS IT THE APPLICANT'S BUSINESS DETERMINING WHAT THE TOWN, THE TOWN DETERMINES WHAT'S IN THE FINAL? I, WHAT IN THE HELL IS THE APP? IS THE, IS THE APPLICANT DOING, MAKING A TOWN BOARD DETERMINATION AS TO WHAT'S IS THE FINAL PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE? AND THAT'S WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE ENTIRE TOWN BOARD.
ON NOTE ON MAY 25TH WAS A DOCUMENT ON THE APPLICANT'S LETTERHEAD.
AND IT SAYS FINAL E I SS PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE.
THE ONLY, THE ONLY FIVE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD THAT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT, IF YOU WANT UP AND IT AIN'T THE APP, THIS PROCESS, YOU KNOW, IN THE LITIGATION, THIS PROCESS WOULD'VE BEEN POISON.
IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT, BUT NO ONE PUTTING 10 ON THE HOT SEAT, MIKE, THAT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO GET THE WHOLE TOWN, NOT JUST SINGLE OUT, KEN, WELL THIS THING IS NOT BEING DONE RIGHT.
AND UM, AND THEN THE ROOM SAYING, OH GEE, UH, A TOWN BOARD CAN'T EVEN TALK TO THE APPLICANT.
I MEAN, CAN'T EVEN TALK TO THE CONSULTANT BECAUSE JOSH COST SOME MONEY TO THE APPLICANT.
AND IF THE APPLICANT'S, THE DETERMINING THAT'S TAKING OVER THE TOWN BOARD'S LEGAL DETERMINATION AS TO WHAT IS PREFERRED.
'CAUSE IT'S A TOWN BOARD THAT DETERMINES THAT NOT THE APPLICANT.
SO THIS PROCESS HAS GOT LOTS OF HOLES IN IT.
AND, UM, DID YOU VOTE, I'M, I'M SORRY I HAVE TO ASK THIS QUESTION, BUT, BUT I DO, AND PERHAPS SOME OF YOU WHO'VE SAT THROUGH MARATHON TOWN BOARD MEETINGS WILL HAVE SOME PITY ON ME.
BUT DID WE, DID WE VOTE TO ADOPT THE, WHAT THEY GAVE US? NO, NO.
CAN I JUST TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY? SOMEBODY IS EITHER, THERE'S A PERIPHERAL NOISE, IS ANYONE LIKE DOING SOMETHING WHERE THEY, THEY, THEY'RE NOT MUTED BECAUSE THERE, THERE IS BACKGROUND NOISE AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S COMING FROM THE FEW PEOPLE THAT AREN'T MUTED OR WE ARE JUST HAVING TRANSITION PROBLEMS. ARE YOU HEARING NOISE, EVERYONE? OR IS IT JUST ME? YEAH, SO JUST WATCH, WATCH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU MUTE YOURSELF.
SO, SO THIS, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CAC WANTS TO DO, BUT THIS THING IS, UH, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
IT, IT'S, I MEAN, I CERTAINLY THINK, I CERTAINLY THINK THAT RAISING RA, THAT THESE ARE VALID ISSUES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU VOTING TO ADOPT ANY, ANY FINAL, UM, E I S UM, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, THE ANALOGY DRAWN, YOU KNOW, WITH THE LANDING.
SO WHAT IF, WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE, WHAT WOULD BE THE CONSTRUCTIVE WAY TO RAISE ALL THESE? BECAUSE IT'S, WE DON'T, IT CONSTRUCTIVE FOR THE, THE TWO, THE TWO BEHIND ALL THE TECHNICAL PROBLEMS IS THE, THE SQL PROCESS AND THE TECHNICAL SECRET.
THE, THE TWO THINGS, IT'S NOT CONSTRUCTIVE FOR THE COMMUNITY TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS AFTER A FI SO-CALLED FINAL.
A FINAL IS SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN BOARD, THE TOWN BOARD AS THE LEAD AGENCY IS THE, THAT'S THE TOWN BOARD'S DOCUMENT.
AND THIS THING GETS FILED, IT'S ON THE SEQUEL.
IT'S NOT CONSTRUCTIVE TO RAISE QUESTIONS LIKE THIS AFTER IT'S BEEN FILED.
THAT'S WHY THE C A C WANTED TO MEET WITH CONSULTANT.
UM, SECOND THING IS, FOR THIS STUFF TO COME UP IN THIS WHITE CAN, IT, IN MY OPINION, THIS IS A PERSONAL OPINION, NOT A C C ISSUE.
IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT CONSTRUCTIVE FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE PROCESSES THAT ARE GOING ON.
AND WE ALL WANT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE ANSWER TURNS OUT TO BE.
AND I DUNNO WHAT THE ANSWER'S GONNA TURN OUT TO BE.
IT'S NOT, NOT UP TO ME, IT'S NOT UP TO THE C A C UP TO TELL BOARD WHATEVER THE PROCESS TURNS OUT TO BE IN, OUGHT TO BE A PROCESS THAT THE PUBLIC HAS HAD CONFIDENCE INTO.
AND THAT'S JUST GOOD, YOU KNOW, GOOD GOVERNMENT.
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HOW, HOW DO WE, WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS THIS? I, I DON'T SEE WHY NOT.WHY NOT? I MEAN, I THINK THAT THESE ARE VALID QUESTIONS THAT THE PUBLIC WOULD WANT ANSWERS TO.
SO I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH PUTTING IT IN A MEMO TO THE TOWN BOARD BASED UPON WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER DAY BECAUSE WE ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PRESENTING THAT TO US AS A, AS THEIR RESPONSE TO THE QUESTIONS THAT WE RAISED, UM, IN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS, RIGHT? SO THIS IS THEIR RESPONSE TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
SO JUST, JUST BECAUSE IT'S TITLED FINAL, WE HAVEN'T ADOPTED IT.
THE PROCESS IS STILL, UM, IS STILL, UM, UH, UH, UH, UH, UH, IN MOTION IF YOU WILL.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THESE ARE, THIS IS NEW INFORMATION, SO IT SEEMS PERFECTLY REASONABLE TO ME THAT NEW INFORMATION WOULD BE GREETED WITH NEW QUESTIONS.
UH, THE ONE TECHNICAL THING, KEN, OKAY, WE'LL, WE'LL SEND SOMETHING.
ONE TECHNICAL THING IS THE SEQUEL.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE LAW SEQUEL, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT THE WORLD'S BEST WRITTEN LAW, BUT IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR 45 YEARS.
UM, AND, UM, THERE'S THE HANDBOOK AND THE HANDBOOK, YOU KNOW, IS HUGE.
UM, AND NOT ALL THAT ENLIGHTENING MOSTLY, BUT THE HANDBOOK DOES SAY THAT THE RESPONSES TO THE QUESTIONS ARE THE TOWN BOARD'S RESPONSES, NOT THE APPLICANT'S.
THE APPLICANT MAY DRAFT RESPONSES, BUT SINCE THE FINAL IS THE TOWN BOARD'S DOCUMENTS, IT'S THE TOWN BOARD'S ANSWERS WHAT THE, WHAT THE HANDBOOK DOESN'T SAY.
BUT COMMON SENSE FILLS IN FOR YOU IS IF THE APPLICANT IS ONLY SUPPOSED TO DO DRAFT RESPONSES AND THE FINAL IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE TOWN BOARD'S RESPONSES, IS THIS SOME VETTING PROCESS IN THE MIDDLE.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THE C A C ASKED TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT WHAT A DRAFT IS OF THE FINAL.
SO IF WE HAD ANY COMMENTS, WE COULD ADVISE THE TOWN BOARD SAY, HEY, WE DON'T THINK THIS ANSWER IS SO COOL.
YOU KNOW, THIS ANSWER IS NOT REALLY ON POINT, OR THIS, THIS ANSWER EVADES THE ISSUE, OR THIS ANSWER IS WONDERFUL, BUT WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE UNDERLYING DATA.
LIKE, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE UNDERLYING DATA OF WHY A TOWNHOUSE SELLS FOR THE SAME AS A NEW RESIDENCE ON A THREEQUARTER ACRE LOT.
UM, UM, SO IT, IT, THE ONLY THING I GUESS WE SHOULD ASK YOU IF THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE C A C AGREE IS WE'RE HAPPY TO DO A MEMO.
IT IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A ONE HOUR TURNAROUND.
IT'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, COMPLICATED QUESTIONS, UH, IN THE CONTEXT OF SEQUEL, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, IS A NIGHTMARE OF A LAW, UM, AT LEAST YOU COULD, COULD ICE, UH, HAVING SOMETHING FILED THAT'S CALLED THE FINAL UNTIL WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS TO SEND SOMETHING.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIMING.
WE'LL, ALL I KNOW, UH, THE FINAL IS COMING IN TOMORROW MORNING.
WELL, WE, WE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO VOTE TO ADOPT IT.
RIGHT? AND SO WE'RE NOT MEETING AGAIN FOR THREE WEEKS.
WELL, HOW LONG KEN? THREE WEEKS? WELL, NO, IT WON'T TAKE YOU MEETING ON THE OH YEAH.
BECAUSE IT ISN'T SCHEDULED FOR THE 23RD MM-HMM.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH ALL THIS COMPLEXITY, KEN, IS TRYING TO WRITE IT UP IN A WAY THIS CAN, CAN BE UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE THIS STUFF IS SO COMPLEX.
BUT I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT YOUR, YOUR SYNTHESIS IN THE BULLET POINTS THAT YOU JUST GAVE WAS PERFECTLY CLEAR AND CONCISE.
I DO THINK, I GUESS FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, KEN, IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS WE DO HAVE REAL CONCERNS.
ONE OF THE THINGS IS, I, I TRULY PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT THIS NEW PROPOSAL SHOULD GO BACK TO THE, TO THE, TO THE STARTING LINE WITH THE D I, NEW D E I S.
'CAUSE IT IS SO DIFFERENT AND IT IS SO MISSING THE KIND OF, UH, REVIEW THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.
SO I, I THINK IT, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, IT'S ALMOST LIKE, I GUESS IF I WERE ASKING SOMETHING, I WOULD SAY THE TOWN BOARD SHOULD JUST HOLD OFF ON ACCEPTING THE DOCUMENT BECAUSE THE DOCUMENT EITHER HAS A NEW DOCUMENT HAS TO BE MADE FOR THE NEW PROPOSAL, OR YOU JUST TRY AND AS AND VIEW WHAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL ONE.
BUT YOU NOT ADD THIS PROJECT INTO IT BECAUSE TO ADD THIS PROJECT INTO IT, THIS LATE HOUR IS JUST NOT A CORRECT PROCESS IN TERMS OF, OF VETTING IT.
YOU FOLKS ARE MISSING INFORMATION
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TO MAKE A JUST JUDGMENT FOR THE TOWN.AND WE ALL KNOW HOW SENSITIVE THE WHOLE THING OF PLANNING HAS RICOCHETED IN OUR TOWN WHEN DECISIONS ARE MADE.
AND YOU KNOW, IT IS JUST A VERY SENSITIVE AREA.
SO IT JUST SEEMS, IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO GO BACK AND SAY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, EITHER WE LOOK AT WHAT WAS SUBMITTED BASED ON WHAT WAS SUBMITTED IN THE ORIGINAL D E I S AND WE DEAL WITH HOW THAT'S ADDRESSED IN THIS F E I S AND REMOVED THIS OTHER DOCUMENT AND PUT IT INTO A NEW D E I S PROCESS FOR CONSIDERATION.
SO IT COULD GO THROUGH THE SAME KIND OF VETTING THAT THE, THE TOWNHOUSE ONE DID BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A DIFFERENT, UH, PROPOSAL.
IT'S THE SAME NUMBER OF UNITS, BUT IT'S, IT'S NIGHT AND DAY IN TERMS OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
SO I GUESS, UH, CERTAINLY WE CAN SEND YOU SOMETHING, BUT I THINK, I GUESS AS OUR, OUR LIAISON, THE QUESTION IS CAN YOU BE KIND OF THE VOICE THERE SAYING, LET'S PUT THE BRAKES ON THIS BECAUSE THERE'S SOME REAL ISSUES.
LET'S LOOK AT WHAT'S BEING QUESTIONED AND LET'S WAIT TO HEAR FROM WESTCHESTER COUNTY.
'CAUSE WESTCHESTER, AND LET'S BE SURE THAT WESTCHESTER COUNTY GETS THE DOCUMENT TO REVIEW FOR THE NEW PROPOSAL.
BECAUSE, UH, WESTCHESTER COUNTY WASN'T HAPPY WITH THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL FOR THAT NUMBER OF UNITS WHEN IT WAS 55 AND OLDER.
IT SEEMS HIGHLY LIKELY THAT THERE'LL BE EVEN LESS ENTHUSED ABOUT THAT NUMBER OF UNITS WHEN IT'S FOR GENERAL POPULATION.
I MEAN, THERE'S SOME REAL, REAL SIGNIFICANT ISSUES.
SO, UM, I I I THINK THAT WE WERE HOPING TO GET THE DENSITY DOWN SOME, I MEAN THE, THE THE THE NEGOTIATION IS, IS NOT COMPLETE JUST BECAUSE YEAH, BUT DOWN SOME FOR, I MEAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALMOST DOUBLE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A HUGE INCREASE IN DENSITY AND WE'RE ALSO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT MIKE REFERRED TO EARLIER.
'CAUSE THERE'S SO MANY PIECES TO THIS.
WE HAVE, AFTER YOU TAKE THIS OUT, I GUESS WE HAD OVER 700 ACRES OF EMPTY LAND, WE'RE GONNA STILL HAVE ANOTHER 600 ACRES OF EMPTY LAND.
YOU KNOW, IF WE DO THIS HERE, WE'RE GONNA BE DOING IT ON EVERY ONE OF THOSE PARCELS.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE TALK, YOU MISSED THE EARLY PART OF THE MEETING.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE IN THE THING I JUST DISTRIBUTED OUT TO THE C E C MEMBERS, WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC DENSITY ON DAPPS FERRY ROAD, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS ALWAYS BOTHERED ME.
UH, AND THIS, I SAID THIS GOES BACK TO WHEN I WAS WORKING 20 YEARS AGO.
'CAUSE I WOULD HAVE TROUBLE GETTING ONTO DOBBS FERRY ROAD FROM MY NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE MORNING.
IF THERE IS A FIRE IN ORCHARD HILL OR HILLTOP FARM, THE FIRE ENGINES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO RESPOND TO THOSE FIRES ARE COMING FROM THE WORTHINGTON ROAD STATION.
THEY CURRENTLY WOULD HAVE TROUBLE GETTING THERE.
IF WE KEEP INCREASING THE TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD, THERE IS GOING TO BE A CATASTROPHE AT SOME POINT.
AND IT'S GONNA BE, BECAUSE THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO SHOULDER ON THAT ROAD FOR MUCH OF DOBBS FERRY ROAD BETWEEN WORTHINGTON AND A HUNDRED A WHERE YOU CAN PULL OVER TO LET AN ENGINE GO BY.
IT IS, IT'S REALLY A VERY, YOU KNOW, AWKWARD SITUATION.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER PIECE OF THE, OF THE ROAD DENSITY THING, BECAUSE BASICALLY WHAT HAS HAPPENED FOR YEARS IS RATHER THAN DRIVE TO THE END OF THE SPRING AND GET ON 2 87 TO GO TO WHITE PLAINS, EVERYONE EXITS AT DOPPS FERRY ROAD, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A PERMANENT EXIT.
VERY FEW PEOPLE REMEMBER THIS.
IT WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A PERMANENT EXIT, WHICH IS WHY IT'S SO BADLY LAID OUT.
AND THEY GET OFF AND THEY GO ON DOPPS FERRY ROAD TO ONE 19 TO GO INTO WHITE PLAINS.
SO THEY LITERALLY STREAM OFF OF THE, IN THE MORNING FILLING UPS VERY WELL ALREADY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT IS EVEN A SAFETY ISSUE IN TERMS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS TO BE KEPT IN MIND.
SO I THINK GOING FORWARD, WHAT ARE WE SAYING, MIKE? WE WILL SEND THE TOWN BOARD SOMETHING.
WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS CHANGE THE RAMP CONFIGURATION, UM, TO, TO, AND MAYBE, AND MAYBE THAT IS WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ON CHANGING THE RAMP CONFIGURATION, UH, TO MAKE IT MORE, TO, TO MAKE IT SAFER.
WELL, IT MIGHT BE, IT'S MORE SAFER.
AND I THINK THE ISSUE THERE IS NOT THAT THE RAMP IS UNSAFE, IS THAT THE ENTRANCE TO THE PARK IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE RAMP.
AND IF, IF YOU'RE NOT CAREFUL, YOU COULD DRIVE DOWN ONTO THE PARKWAY THE WRONG WAY.
I DON'T THINK THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE SAFETY OF THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE INADVERTENTLY TRYING TO GET INTO EAST BROOK PARK AND, AND TURNING ONTO THE HIGHWAY EXIT.
I MEAN, THAT IS A, A, A SEPARATE SAFETY ISSUE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, IS THERE.
UM, BUT I, SO I THINK WHAT WE NEED IS NEXT STEPS.
MIKE, DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD BE SENDING THE TOWN BOARD SOMETHING AND ASK THE THE C A C TO APPROVE US DOING THAT? WELL, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK YOU HAVE TO SEE WHAT THE OTHER FOLKS SAY, BUT I WOULD JUST ADD, I I ONE SUPPLEMENTAL COMMENT
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TO WHAT TERRY SAID, YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE HAVE 800 ACRES OF, UM, RECREATIONAL FACILITIES WITH OPEN SPACE.I THINK THAT'S HOW IT'S TITLED IN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, WHATEVER WE DO HERE IS, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE, KEN TO SAY IF ANOTHER GOLF COURSE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, HAD TO GO OUTTA BUSINESS AND WANTED, AND SOME DEVELOPER WANTED TO DO THE SAME THING, IT'S GONNA BE IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY NO TO, UM, UM, UH, TO ANOTHER DEVELOPER TO BE CLASSY ZONING DISCRIMINATION.
UM, SO THE, THE PUBLIC JUST NEEDS TO HAVE CONFIDENCE IN WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN HERE BECAUSE, UH, UM, AND IT, IT BECAUSE IT, IT, IT, IT, WE WE'RE GONNA LIVE WITH IT.
UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THE FINANCES OF EACH OF THE GOLF COURSES, BUT IT'S GENERALLY WELL KNOWN THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, LIFESTYLES ARE CHANGING IN GOLF COURSES ARE IN VERY, VERY BAD SHAPE, UNLESS THEY'RE JUST ABSOLUTELY AT THE TOP, TOP, TOP, TOP, TOP END, UH, OF, OF, OF THE INDUSTRY.
SO, UM, THIS IS A BIG, THIS IS MORE THAN JUST ASSOCIATES.
THE PUBLIC REALLY DOES NEED CONFIDENCE IN WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND I'M SORRY THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE KIND OF GETTING CAUGHT UP IN THIS BY, AT THE MEETING, BUT, YOU KNOW, OKAY, SO MIKE, MIKE, MAYBE WE SHOULD HEAR FROM THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE, OF THE CAC IF THEY HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY.
YEAH, ANYONE HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? WELL, LET'S GO AROUND DONNA, UH, AND, UH, THE MEMBERS HERE, LET'S SEE.
AND, AND SHARON, WHERE'S SHARON? SHARON'S GOT A HAND UP.
UNMUTE YOURSELF, SHARON, IF YOU WANNA TALK.
AND I'VE BEEN VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU'VE BEEN SAYING.
UM, IS THERE ANY OBLIGATION ON THE TOWN? NO.
IT, NO, HE CAN REQUEST A CHANGE, BUT THE TOWN DOES NOT HAVE TO GRANT IT.
SO WHAT
WHAT SHARON, SHARON ASKED, DOES THE TOWN HAVE TO DO WHAT THE APPLICANT ASKS IN SOME WAY? AND I SAID, NO, BECAUSE THE EXISTING ZONING, THE TOWN COULD SAY THIS IS THE EXISTING ZONING AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE ZONING.
YOU KNOW, I, I I THINK THIS, THIS, THIS GOES TO A VERY CORE ISSUE, EVEN IN TERMS OF, OF THE TYPE OF BUILDINGS THAT GO UP.
IT IS A RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT THE TOWNHOUSES REALLY DON'T NECESSARILY BLEND IN UNLESS THEY AESTHETICALLY DO SOMETHING EXTREMELY SIGNIFICANT, WHICH SO FAR IN THEIR ILLUSTRATIONS AND THIS, THIS GROUP WOULD NOT BE DOING THE BUILDING BECAUSE THEY ARE, UM, WE'RE GONNA RESELL IT.
THIS IS NOT THE BUILDER OF THE PROJECT.
SO THERE ARE SOME AESTHETIC ISSUES ALSO.
EVEN IF YOU HAD TOWNHOUSES THAT WERE THE SAME NUMBER OF TOWNHOUSES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED WITH, WITH THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES, IT'S, IT'S A, ANOTHER WHOLE ISSUE.
BUT NO
AND I'M SURE C'S GONE THROUGH THINGS LIKE THIS BEFORE.
WHY ARE WE, FOR SOMEONE THAT CAME IN TO FLIP THE PROPERTY, NOT THE DEVELOPER FOR SOMEONE THAT CAME IN TO FLIP THE PROPERTY, WHY IS IT GOOD POLICY TO SAY TO THAT PERSON, HERE'S OUR ZONING, YOU BOUGHT THIS, YOU BOUGHT THIS LAND, HERE WAS THE ZONING.
WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT SAYS THAT AIN'T GONNA BE CHANGED.
WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN 2016 THAT SAYS WE'RE NOT CHANGING.
WE'RE, WE'RE NOT DOWN ZONING, WE'RE NOT INCREASING DENSITY IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
YOU BOUGHT INTO THAT LEGAL ENVIRONMENT.
SO IF YOU FLIP IT, YOU FLIP IT, THAT'S YOUR RIGHT.
WE'LL DEAL WITH WHOEVER BUYS IT.
WHY ARE WE CUTTING A DEAL WITH SOMEONE THAT BOUGHT INTO R 20 R 30 ZONING WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT SAYS WE'RE NOT DOING DOWN ZONING RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
WHY IS THE MATTER OF POLICY? DO WE EVEN SAY TO HIM ANYTHING OTHER THAN WE SEE NO REASON TO CHANGE OUR ZONING AND WHOEVER BUYS IT, WE'LL TALK TO, HAS THAT EVER BEEN DISCUSSED AT THE TOWN BOARD
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BOARD? I THINK IT ALL COMES DOWN TO DOLLARS AND CENTS, MIKE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE PUR THE PER THE OWNER OF THE LAND IS GONNA TRY TO MAKE AS MUCH MONEY OFF OF THE LAND AS THEY CAN.AND THEY, THEY, THEY KNOW THAT THERE'S A MECHANISM THROUGH WHICH THE ZONING CAN BE CHANGED.
SO THEY'RE GONNA PUSH THE ENVELOPE.
WHY, WHY DO WE, WHY A CASH STRAP TOWN, A CASH STRAPP TOWN IS GONNA BE SALIVATING AT THE IDEA OF GETTING MORE MONEY.
AND SO WE DO THIS DANCE AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SEEKER.
WELL, BUT, BUT OKAY, FAIR, FAIR POINT.
BUT THAT'S BASED ON TWO IMPORTANT PREMISES.
WE DO GET MORE MONEY THAT YOU SELL TOWNHOUSE NOW YOU, BUT THEY SELL TOWNHOUSES FOR THE SAME PRICE AS A THREEQUARTER ACRE NEW HOME AND THAT IT'LL NEVER CHANGE.
DONNA, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD OR WANNA COMMENT? UM, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, I KEEP CHECKING MY EMAIL, TERRY.
I DID NOT GET THE EMAIL THAT YOU SENT.
OKAY, I WILL GO LOOK, THAT'S WHY I MESSED UP WITH THE PARENT.
NO, I MEAN, WHY ISN'T THE PREMISE BUT THE DEVELOPER, OR NOT THE DEVELOPER, WE WANNA MAKE THE MOTION.
TERRY, WHAT, WHAT DOES SHARON SAY? I CAN'T HEAR HER.
THE TOWN IS NOT NEGOTIATING FROM THE SAME POSITION AS THE APPLICANT.
THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE NEGOTIATING TO GIVE THEM WHAT HE WANTS WHEN IT BECOMES, UH, OKAY, BUT WHY DON'T, WHY DOESN'T THE TOWN SAY THE ATTITUDE THAT WE WANNA HAVE THE APPLICANT AND APPLICANT THAT'S GONNA GIVE US THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF MONEY? THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.
DIDN'T I THINK, I THINK, UM, WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SAYING BY REPRESENTING THAT THE, THE, THE, UH, CONDOS WILL SELL FOR THE SAME AMOUNT AS THE HOUSED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IS THAT THEY'RE, IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY.
WELL, I I, KEN, I THINK, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, AND JUST THAT, AND THAT'S ALSO WHY THEY'RE CONVERTING TO FEE OWNERSHIP.
AND JUST, JUST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, THERE ARE NEW HOUSES AND WE'VE HAD ONE COME FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF WORTHINGTON TO COME IN.
THEY WERE ALL BEING ASSESSED AT A MILLION AND ABOVE.
I MEAN, AND, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE HERE, BUT I MADE THE COMMENT, YOU KNOW, IN IN THE DOCUMENT THAT THEY SUBMITTED TO YOU TWO WEEKS AGO, THEY SAID THEY WERE USING A CONSERVATIVE FIGURE ON THE TOWNHOUSE THAT IT WOULD SELL AT $740,000.
AND DOWN THE BLOCK FROM ME A MONTH AGO, A HOUSE BUILT IN THE 1930S ON AN R SEVEN LOT SOLD FOR 150 FOR $750,000.
SO IF YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT, IT'S JUST NOT WHAT SINGLE FAMILY NEW HOUSES ON LARGE LOTS ARE SELLING FOR IN GREENBURG.
AND I'M GREENBURG, I'M GREEN, I'M GREEN, I'M CENTRAL SEVEN SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
SO IT'S NOT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WITH THESE, THESE HOUSES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACROSS THE STREET FROM ELMWOOD ARE IN CENTRAL SEVEN.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T USE THE THING, YOU KNOW, WHICH, WHICH WAS WHEN THEIR ORIGINAL PRESENTATIONS WERE, OH, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS NOT PREVENTING HOUSES FOR BEING SOLD FOR VERY LARGE AMOUNTS.
YOU KNOW, UH, PEOPLE, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S UH, THE MYTH ABOUT THE SCHOOL, BUT EVERY YEAR, AS YOU WELL KNOW, KIDS GRADUATE FROM THAT SCHOOL AND GO TO ABSOLUTELY OUTSTANDING COLLEGES.
IT'S JUST THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE PERCENTAGES BECAUSE MANY OF OUR CHILDREN COME FROM BACKGROUNDS WHERE THE LEAP EVEN TO COMMUNITY COLLEGE IS THE FIRST ONE IN THEIR FAMILY.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THE SCHOOL IS DOING A BAD JOB.
IT JUST MEANS THE SCHOOL IS DOING A GOOD JOB FOR MULTIPLE TYPES OF, OF CHILDREN.
AND THAT GETS LOST FOR THE REALTOR, REALTOR TO SPEAK.
BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO MOVE INTO THIS AREA AND SPEND OVER A MILLION DOLLARS FOR A NEW HOUSE.
AND MOST CERTAINLY THE ONES THAT ARE ON R 20 AND R 30 LOTS ARE GOING FOR THAT PRICE, THE NEW ONES.
SO I, I THINK THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY, NOT TOUCH HIS ZONING AND GET AS MUCH MONEY BECAUSE
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WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE, WHEN HE WALKS AWAY AND YOU MAKE A DEAL WITH HIM, WE'RE NOT GETTING, GETTING THAT MONEY BECAUSE HE HAS TO STILL SELL IT TO SOMEBODY AFTER HE GETS ALL THIS.IT'S NOT LIKE WHEN YOU GET DONE WITH HIM, AS MIKE SAID, HE'S GONNA PUT THE SPADE IN THE GROUND AND AND THE HOUSES ARE GONNA GO UP.
HE'S GONNA GONNA SAY, OH, NOW I HAVE IT ALL SPECKED OUT.
I HAVE TO FIND SOMEONE TO BUILD IT.
SO IT, IT'S, IT'S POSSIBLE MONEY.
IT ISN'T EVEN REAL MONEY THAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
SO THERE'S A HIGH LEVEL OF RISK INVOLVED IN THE ARRANGEMENT.
'CAUSE I KNOW WHEN I, WHEN I WORKED AND I SUPPORTED OUR, OUR, UM, CORPORATE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND WHEN WE WERE DOING THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PLANS, YOU KNOW, RISK WAS A VERY BIG FACTOR IN WHEN THEY WERE SETTING UP THEIR ECONOMIC MODELS FOR ANALYSIS.
BECAUSE THE RISK OF THE PROJECT, THE LESS MONEY YOU WANTED TO REALLY RISK ON IT.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, IN A VERY SAFE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING WITH OFFSHORE IN ENGLAND.
IT'S A MUCH DIFFERENT THING THAN OFFSHORE IN SOME OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD WHERE YOU COULD LAND UP WITH A REVOLUTION, YOU KNOW? SO THIS, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE SAME THING COMES EVEN LOCALLY FOR US.
SO I KNOW WE'VE BEEN VERY PATIENT AND I WANNA THANK YOU 'CAUSE I THINK WE BEAT UP ON YOU A BIT TONIGHT, SO I APOLOGIZE.
SO I GUESS AS A CAC, UH, NEXT STEPS, MAYBE WE SHOULD DO A MOTION THAT WE SEND.
WE DIDN'T HEAR FROM DONNA, SO I I GOT YOUR EMAIL NOW.
UM, AND NOW THAT I CAN READ IT, I AGREE WITH WHAT, WHAT KEN SAID TO YOU, MIKE, WAS THIS, THIS READS VERY WELL.
I I HAVE NO PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, CLEANING THIS UP A LITTLE BIT AND SENDING IT, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS VERY CLEAR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET ACROSS.
AND KEN, WHO, WHO, WHO SHOULD WE SEND IT TO, TO YOU AND YOU'LL TAKE TOWN BOARD OR SEND TO THE TOWN? SEND IT TO THE TOWN.
WE ALL GET IT AT THE SAME TIME.
WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL CLEAN IT UP AND SEND IT.
UM, PLEASE COPY OUR OFFICE AS WELL, MIKE AND SURE.
UH, YOU WERE PUTTING SOMETHING ON THE SCREEN, AARON, BUT IT DIDN'T COME THROUGH.
IT JUST SAID SQL HANDBOOK AND I DIDN'T GET THE REST OF IT.
YOU WANNA JUST READ WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO TELL ABOUT IT? SURE, YEAH.
I CAN ACTUALLY SHARE IT BECAUSE I HAVE IT, UH, HIGHLIGHTED ON THE SCREEN.
I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE HANDBOOK AND I, I SHARED A CHAT, BUT THIS IS STRAIGHT FROM THE HANDBOOK IF ANYONE THOSE THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT AND YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY DETAILED AS MIKE MENTIONED, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT INFORMATION ON EISS AND, AND SPECIFICALLY FINAL E I S AND I'LL ACTUALLY UNHIGHLIGHT THIS 'CAUSE IT SEEMS EASIER TO READ WITHOUT IT, BUT IT SAYS A FINAL E I SS IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE LEAD AGENCY.
THE LEAD AGENCY MAY PREPARE THE FINAL E I S ITSELF OR REQUEST THAT THE PROJECT SPONSOR RESPOND TO THE SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS AND SUBMIT A PRELIMINARY VERSION OF THE FINAL E I S AND BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE WITH EISS, THAT'S CUSTOMARILY HOW IT'S DONE.
NO, NO, BUT KEY PRE THAT'S RIGHT.
AND THE LEAD AGENCY MUST REVIEW.
SO LET ME CONTINUE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THE LEAD AGENCY MUST REVIEW A SPONSOR'S PROPOSED FINAL E I SS AND MODIFY IT HOWEVER NECESSARY TO ENSURE THAT THE FINAL E I S REPRESENTS THE LEAD AGENCY'S ASSESSMENT OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
A LEAD AGENCY MAY ALSO SEEK ADVICE FROM OTHER INVOLVED AGENCIES AND CONSULTANTS IN COMPLETING THE FINAL E I S.
'CAUSE THAT IS THE KEY PARAGRAPH IN THE HANDBOOK.
THAT, THAT IS THE KEY PARAGRAPH.
THE FINAL IS SUPPOSED TO BE FIVE, THE, THE TOWN BOARD FIVE AND, AND THAT, AND UM, UH, AND IT CERTAINLY OPENS UP THE POSSIBILITY OF OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS AND AGENCIES, UH, GIVING ADVICE ON WHAT THE DRAFT IS.
AND WE'RE TOLD THAT WE CAN'T GET INVOLVED 'CAUSE GEE, IT WOULD COST THE APPLICANT MONEY.
I CAN REPORT, I I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MIKE.
AND I, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, KEN INDICATED THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT DOOR IS ENCLOSED THAT, THAT THAT'S
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POTENTIALLY, UH, ABLE TO BE REVISITED BY THE TOWN BOARD.I CAN TELL YOU THAT MY LATEST INFORMATION IS THAT CURRENTLY, UM, THE TOWN'S CONSULTANT, UH, CHAZEN AND AS WELL AS THE NEW YORK STATE D O T, ARE REVIEWING THAT ADDITIONAL OR SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
NOT TO SAY THAT IT WON'T BE SUBMITTED TO OTHERS FOR REVIEW.
I KNOW I JUST HEARD THIS EVENING FROM MIKE AND, AND THE C A C, THAT THE COMMISSIONER OF THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING WOULD BE INTERESTED IN REVIEWING IT AND PROVIDING COMMENT.
I HADN'T HEARD THAT BEFORE THIS EVENING.
SO THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE ANOTHER, UM, AGENCY THAT WE WOULD ROUTE IT TO.
BUT IT'S NOT MY DECISION TO MAKE, I'M ONLY PASSING ALONG INFORMATION THAT I HAVE AT THIS POINT.
IT CAME WITH THE MEETING, UH, THING FOR WESTCHESTER COUNTY AND CAME, UH, CAME DO IT WHILE WE WERE MEETING.
I, I'LL BE SURE I GET THAT TO YOU.
I MEAN, MAYBE KEN, IT WOULD MAKE SOME SENSE AFTER, UM, AFTER WE SEND THIS TO THE TOWN BOARD THAT THERE'D BE SOME A WORK SESSION WHERE WE TRY TO COME UP WITH A, UH, A GAME PLAN AS TO, UH, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LEVEL OF, OF CONFIDENCE OUT THERE PUBLIC THAT THIS IS BEING DONE IN A WAY THAT, UH, UM, IS THE RIGHT WAY.
AS I SAID, KEN, I KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT NECESSARILY, UM, THERE'S NO WAY OF GUARANTEEING WHAT'S REPRESENT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ENTIRE UNINCORPORATED GREENBERG, BUT I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE EVERYONE WHO'S SITTING HERE WHO'S ON THE C A C OR IS A POTENTIAL C A C MEMBER IS A RESIDENT OF UNINCORPORATED GREENBERG.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TAXES WITH THE ONES WHO ARE LOOKING AT THAT TAX BILL AND, AND HOW IT IMPACTS ALSO OUR EQUITY VALUE IN OUR HOMES, OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETIMES, UM, I KNOW FINANCES ARE REALLY DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH, BUT SOMETIMES MAYBE THE ASSUMPTION SHOULDN'T ALWAYS BE THAT PEOPLE WOULD PREFER, UH, ANYTHING JUST NOT TO HAVE THE TAXES GO UP.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES ANYTHING THAT AFFECTS YOUR TAXES, YOUR TAXES MIGHT NOT GO UP.
BUT IF YOUR HOUSE LOSES VALUE, IT ISN'T NECESSARILY A NET GAIN.
AND THAT'S SOMETIMES, I THINK, NOT JUST AT OUR TOWN LEVEL, BUT THROUGHOUT SOCIETY, THERE'S A FAILURE TO REALIZE THERE ARE SOME THINGS PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO PAY TO HAVE, BE IMPROVED OR STAY THE WAY THEY ARE.
AND THAT, UM, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE DEAL WITH HOMES THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET ALL DONE WITH ONE OF THESE BIG PROJECTS AND IT GETS DOWN TO ONE HOUSEHOLD, THE DIFFERENCE IN ONE HOUSEHOLD'S TAX BILL IS SO INSIGNIFICANT FOR THE DAMAGE THAT COULD BE DONE.
AND THEN AGAIN, THAT'S A RISK ASSESSMENT TYPE THING.
YOU KNOW, THIS MUCH DAMAGE TO KEEP THE TAX OF ONE OF AN AVERAGE HOME GOING UP $6, IS THAT RISK OF DAMAGE WORTH IT? SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER WAY OF THINKING AT IT, MIKE, DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO AN ACTUAL VOTE ON THIS? YEAH, SURE.
I MEAN, THIS IS A, I MEAN THIS IS A ABSOLUTELY BECAUSE, UH, OKAY, I'LL, I'LL DO THE, I MOVE THAT WE SEND SOMETHING ONTO THE TOWN BOARD TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UH, OUTLINING WHAT OUR CONCERNS ARE.
UM, CAN I HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? I SECOND IT.
AND DONNA, I JUST ASSUMED YOU WERE DOING MINUTES SINCE YOU ALWAYS STEP UP TO THE BACK.
I'M, I'M DONNA'S OUR PERPETUAL PERSON WHO SAVES THE DAY WITH THE MINUTES, SO THAT'S REALLY GOOD.
UM, I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS COMING UP THAT I DID WANNA MAKE REFERENCE TO, UM, THE MORE THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER AND RECOMMENDED BY THE BEST COMMITTEE FOR CONTROLLING BATTERIES IN THE INSTITUTIONAL BATTERIES INTO THE COMMUNITY.
UH, THERE WAS A, A TOWN BOARD MEETING LAST NIGHT WHERE, UH, THAT WAS DISCUSSED.
UM, AND THERE WERE COMMENTS AND I GUESS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS RECEIVED OTHER COMMENTS.
GARRETT DECANE INDICATED THAT HE WOULD BE REVIEWING THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE DIFFERENT.
THERE WERE SOME ALSO FROM THE PLANNING BOARD AND PROBABLY CHANGING SOME PARTS OF THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION RECOMMENDED LAW THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE BEST COMMITTEE.
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ONE OF THE CHANGES HAS TO DO WITH THE DISTANCE, UM, FROM AN ADJOINING PROPERTY.UM, THAT, UH, I THINK THERE WAS SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
THE OTHER ONE WAS ONE OF THE APPLICANTS, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT FOR PUTTING THE BEST UNITS IN MIDWAY AND THE OTHER SHOPPING CENTERS WAS LOOKING FOR A CHANGE THAT THE, UM, CLA THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE BATTERIES WOULD NOT BE BASED ON WATTAGE, BUT ON THE SIZE OF THE BOX.
UM, SO I, UH, COMMISSIONER DECANE INDICATED HE WOULD BE POSTING THIS PRIOR TO THE MEETING ON THE 23RD SO THAT THEY COULD BE COMMENT TO WHAT HE COMES UP WITH AS A FINAL DOCUMENT.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA BE WANNA BE LOOKING AT, UH, WHEN IT COMES, GETS POSTED TO POSSIBLY COMMENT.
UM, I BELIEVE WE DO NOT HAVE A MEETING UNTIL THE NEXT NIGHT.
UH, I WOULD ASK THAT, UM, YOU AUTHORIZED MIKE AND MYSELF WHO SERVED ON THE BEST COMMITTEE, IF WE HAVE CONCERNS TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE C A C, WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? YES, SHARON, UNMUTE YOURSELF.
SHARON, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY.
ANYONE ELSE? DONNA, ANYTHING TO SAY? NO.
MIKE, DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD A VOTE ON THAT OR JUST YEAH, I THINK, I THINK WE, SHOULD I MOVE THAT THE, UH, THAT THE C A C EMPOWER MIKE SEGEL AND TERRITORY TO MAKE IF NECESSARY, APPROPRIATE CON COMMENTS ON THE PROPOSED BEST FLOOR IF THERE ARE THINGS IN THE CHANGES THAT WE THINK NEED COMMENTING ON FOR THE, UH, TOWN BOARD MEETING SCHEDULED FOR, UH, JUNE 23RD.
UM, SO I WANTED TO GET THAT ALSO, I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ON THE 23RD.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING FROM SEVEN TO NINE MEMBERS.
UM, AND I NOTICED IF THE LEGISLATION GETS POSTED, UM, THERE IS THE LEGISLATIVE INTENT THAT IS BEING POSTED.
AND I DIDN'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY CONFUSION BASED ON THE LEGISLATIVE INTENT AS IT IS POSTED, BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THE VERBIAGE IN IT MIGHT COME A LITTLE DISCONCERTING.
UM, I THINK THE, ALTHOUGH WE SEEM TO BE THE FIRST COUNCIL OR BOARD THAT THE TOWN BOARD HAS LOOKED AT, I AM GOING TO ASSUME THAT THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT ALL OTHER COUNCILS AND BOARDS, UM, TO LOOK FOR A GREATER, UH, TRYING TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS MORE DIVERSITY AND GEOGRAPHIC DIVERSITY ON THE BOARD.
I KNOW THROUGH THE YEARS WE, EVEN AT SEVEN, WE WENT DOWN FROM NINE MEMBERS TO SEVEN MEMBERS IN 2010 BECAUSE WE COULD NOT FIND PEOPLE TO JOIN THE BOARD REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY LIVED IN, IN UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG.
UH, BUT THE WAY IT READS CURRENTLY, UM, I WOULD NOT WANT ANYONE TO THINK, UM, THAT THEY ARE NOT WELCOME BECAUSE OF WHERE IN THE TOWN THEY LIVE.
AND THAT FOR SOME REASON THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S THE REASON THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD HOLDUPS ON APPROVALS.
NOR WOULD I WANT ANYONE TO THINK THAT THEY ARE BEING INCLUDED BECAUSE THEY MEET THE OTHER CRITERIA.
IN POINT OF FACT, UH, THE C A C HAD MINORITY MEMBERS FROM 2013 TO TO 2019.
IN FACT, WE HAD A PERIOD WHERE WE HAD TWO MINORITY ME MEMBERS, WHICH, UM, I WAS SORT OF SURPRISED.
I HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
SO I JUST DON'T WANT, WHEN YOU READ THAT, IF YOU READ THAT LEGISLATION SINCE IT WILL BE AFFECTING YOU, UH, THAT THE, THAT'S GONNA BE AN OPEN MEETING ON THE 23RD THAT YOU NOT THINK THAT THERE WAS ANYTHING, ANYTHING IMPLIED IN THE LEGISLATIVE INTENT.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE TOWN BOARD IS DOING THIS WITH ALL THE BOARDS AND, UH, THIS IS JUST A START OF A ROLLOUT AND, UH, OF A, A UNIVERSAL POLICY.
AND I, AND I SUSPECT, AND I'M HOPING THE TOWN BOARD CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY NOW, PARTICULARLY IN TERMS OF, UM, GEOGRAPHIC REPRESENTATION, WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB.
I THINK THE OTHER ONE, WE'VE ACTUALLY NOT HAD A BAD RECORD ON IT AS A C A C, BUT I I, I KNOW THAT WE PROBABLY HAVEN'T HAD SOMEONE FROM EAST IRVINGTON SINCE THE 1990S.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO THEY'RE ALL PARTS OF THE TOWN THAT JUST DON'T SEEM TO EVER HAVE PEOPLE ON THE CAC C FOR WHATEVER REASON.
AND I, I WOULD NOT ALSO WANNA SEE THAT BECOME AN IMPEDIMENT TO US MEETING QUORUM NEEDS BECAUSE THAT REALLY BECOMES AN ISSUE.
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IT TONIGHT.WE ARE, WE'RE DOWN TO FIVE MEMBERS AND SHARON HAS HAD SURGERY AND I'VE BEEN LEANING ON SHARON TO SHOW UP FOR MEETINGS,
AND I WANNA THANK SHARON ONCE AGAIN FOR DOING THAT.
'CAUSE I THINK IT'S BEEN VERY GENEROUS OF YOU, SHARON, JUST TO BE WITH US.
TERRY, LEMME JUST ASK, UH, KAREN, ONE THING I CAN'T, IF WE, IF YOU GO UP IN TWO WEEKS, AN INCREASE FROM SEVEN TO NINE, ARE YOU ADDING THE THREE MEMBERS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN INTERVIEWED BY THE TOWN BOARD? BECAUSE IF WE GO UP TO NINE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD A QUORUM TONIGHT.
IN FACT, IF WE GO UP TO NINE, IT WOULD, WE WOULD TAKE, WE ONLY, WE HAVE FIVE.
SO IF YOU WENT UP TO NINE WITHOUT ACTUALLY ADDING ON NEW MEMBERS, WE HAVE A REAL FORUM PROBLEM.
SO YOU ARE GOING TO ADD GEORGE AND LIZ'S AS, UM, MEMBERS, AND YOU ARE GOING TO ADD, UH, NANCY AS AN ALTERNATE, UH, TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, OR TWO WEEKS FROM YESTERDAY OR WHATEVER.
NOW YOU HAVEN'T HAD, IS, IS SOMEONE GONNA SCHEDULE AN INTERVIEW? IS UH, JUDITH I GUESS GONNA SCHEDULE INTERVIEWS WITH UM, UH, STEVE AND LAUREN? YES.
BECAUSE UNLESS THEY'VE HAD INTERVIEWS, AS FAR AS I KNOW THEY HAVEN'T.
BECAUSE IF YOU HAD THE, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE INTERVIEWS WITH THEM, BE IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS OR NOT? WE'RE NOT HAVING ANOTHER MEETING FOR THREE WEEKS.
SO THAT MEANS THE INTERVIEWS WITH WARREN AND STEVE WOULD BE AFTER THE NUMBER GOES TO NINE, WHICH MEANS IT WOULD BE NECESSARY THAT, THAT LIZ AND GEORGE GET APPROVED? NO, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE ALTERNATE.
IF WE HAVE THE ALTERNATE, WE'RE OKAY, MIKE.
AND, AND, AND, AND NANCY GETS THE ALTERNATE.
UM, I, I WANNA GO INTO ANOTHER THING BECAUSE I WANNA COVER IT AND I KNOW IT'S GETTING LATE, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING PROBABLY AN APPLICATION NEXT WEEK FROM REGENERON.
AND IS THAT CORRECT, AARON? NEXT MEETING? UM, THAT IS THE GAME PLAN.
THEY ARE WORKING ON GETTING THEIR MATERIALS TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN GET THEM OUT TO YOU IN A TIMELY FASHION.
THE GOAL IS FOR THEM TO MAKE, UM, THE SUBMISSION INTO OUR OFFICE FOR THE 16TH SO THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY A DAY TO LOOK IT OVER, MAKE SURE IT'S COMPLETE, AND THEN GET IT OUT TO THE C A C MEMBERS ON THE 17TH, WHICH WOULD BE ONE WEEK AHEAD OF THE MEETING ON THE 24TH.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A HEADS UP.
I HAD HOPED WE'D HAVE TIME TONIGHT.
WE CERTAINLY WON'T EVEN TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET IN THE PACKETS OR WHEN WE'LL BE DISCUSSING IT.
I WOULD ASK THAT SINCE WE'LL HAVE A REAL LIVE APPLICANT COMING IN, THAT WHILE YOU'RE WELCOME TO ASK QUESTIONS, JUST REMEMBER THAT THIS IS SOMEONE FROM THE OUTSIDE AND THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, IF IT, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IT TAKES A WHILE TO GET USED TO LOOKING AT THESE DOCUMENTS AND WE REALLY NEED TO KIND OF GET EVERYONE AN OPPORTUNITY.
AND UNFORTUNATELY IT'S SO MUCH HARDER TO DO VIA ZOOM THAN IT WOULD BE IF WE HAD THE BIG APP THING ON THE TABLE AND WE COULD JUST POINT AND SAY OVER YEARS WE SAYS IT.
COULD YOU EXCUSE ME JUST FOR ONE MOMENT, UH, DONNA, WHEN, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE, UH, A KINDERGARTEN LESSON FOR US ON, UH, ON CHARTS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT? I WAS JUST GONNA, OH, I'M SORRY, DONNA, GO AHEAD.
I KNOW, I KNOW TERRY WAS GONNA REACH OUT TO YOU, ERIN, TO ASK YOU FOR A GOOD PROJECT FOR US TO USE.
I THINK I'M FAIRLY CAUGHT UP ON READING THROUGH EMAILS, ALTHOUGH NOT RESPONDING TO EVERY SINGLE ONE YET.
UM, SO I'LL WAIT ON THAT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO TAKE A LOOK.
I DID WANT TO JUST REMIND EVERYONE THAT I WILL NOT BE ON THE NEXT MEETING ON THE 24TH.
I AM GONNA TAKE SOME TIME OFF TO SPEND WITH MY FAMILY, UH, WITH MY KIDS.
SO GARRETT, I BELIEVE WILL BE HOSTING THAT MEETING AND UM, I WILL SEE YOU AT THE FOLLOWING ONE.
MY AIR CONDITIONING WENT OUT AND MY AIR CONDITIONING GUY WAS KIND ENOUGH TO CALL ME AND SAID, NO, I'LL COME TONIGHT.
THAT WAS THE PHONE CALL BEFORE AND THAT WAS HIM.
SO, I'M SORRY, WHAT DID I MISS? ANYTHING I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT? I JUST ASKED THE
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QUESTION WHEN DONNA WAS GONNA TEACH US ABOUT, UH, CHARTS AND, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW TO READ, UH, YOU KNOW, PLANS AND ALL AND UH, UH, YOU KNOW, SHE VOLUNTEERED TO DO IT.AND, UM, I JUST WONDER WHEN WE WERE GONNA DO THAT.
WELL, I GUESS SAID, BECAUSE I HAD EVEN ASKED AARON IF HE COULD, HE COULD HELP US BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WITH ZOOM IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WHEN WE SEE THE REGEN, THE AARON SENT ME SOME OF THE REGENERON MATERIALS.
THEY ARE NICE GRAPHICS BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS REALLY NEED SOMETHING NICE TO PUT UP THAT'S EASY TO READ.
BECAUSE THE LAST APPLICATION WE CAME IN WAS VERY MUDDY TO READ THE DRAWINGS.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO KIND OF MOVE AROUND THE REGENERON ONES 'CAUSE THEY'RE BIG WHEN YOU PUT THEM ON THE SCREEN.
BUT AT LEAST WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEM, THEY'RE VERY CLEAR WHEN YOU WANNA SAY THESE ARE THE, THE MARKINGS FOR THE SCOPE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I KNOW IT'S RUNNING LATE, BUT I KNOW ALSO THAT, UM, CARL HAS HAD SOMETHING HE'S WANTED TO TALK TO US ABOUT AND DOREEN, SO I WOULD, IF THEY WANNA UNMUTE THEMSELVES AND, UH, TELL US WHAT IT IS THEY WOULD LIKE US TO CONSIDER.
I, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE VOTES THAT WE HAVE TO DO TONIGHT, DO WE TERRY? YEAH, WE DO NOT.
I'M GOING TO GET OFF THE IPAD AND I SHOULD BE ABLE TO LISTEN ON MY PHONE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE VIDEO WORKS, BUT I'LL, I'LL TRY TO COME BACK IN IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES.
UH, I'M FINE IF, UH, CALL WANTS TO GO FIRST 'CAUSE OKAY.
YOU COULD, YOU COULD GO AHEAD, YOU CAN LEAVE, YOU CAN DO IT ALL THE, UH, TALKING.
NO, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A LOT.
UH, CASE YOU DON'T KNOW ME, MY NAME IS DOREEN.
LIVES IN, I LIVE AROUND THE CORNER FROM THE ELMWOOD COUNTRY CLUB.
I'M ALSO PRESIDENT OF THE WORTHINGTON WOODLAND CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
WAS INVOLVED FROM DAY ONE WITH THE PROCESS, UH, WENT TO MANY MEETINGS AND WAS INVOLVED IN THE SCOPING DOCUMENT, THE D E I S, THE D E I S WAS CLOSED.
AND THEN WE, AS TERRY AND MIKE SAID, WE RECEIVED THIS APPLICATION.
THE TOWN RECEIVED THIS APPLICATION AS THE PREFERRED PROPOSAL.
UM, WHEN I SAW THAT, I SUBMITTED, UM, UH, A LETTER TO THE TOWN BOARD, THE ENTIRE TOWN BOARD, THE PLANNING, UH, THE, UH, TO GARRETT AND TO AARON ASKING THEM TO PLEASE TO, UH, REOPEN THE HEARING AS THIS WAS GOING TO BE A NEW PROPOSAL THAT WAS GOING TO BE, UH, CONSIDERED.
AND, UM, THE ANSWER THAT I ACTUALLY, I GOT BACK AN ANSWER FROM PAUL FINER THE NEXT DAY THAT SAID THAT HE WILL BE TALKING TO THE TOWN BOARD, THE TOWN ATTORNEY, AND TO THE PLANNING THE, AND TO THE, THE COMMISSIONER AND SO ON ABOUT THIS.
UH, SINCE THEN I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING NEW.
UM, SO I SENT A LETTER TO THE WEST, THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY, UH, PLANNING BOARD, UH, NORMA DRUMMOND BECAUSE SHE WAS THE ONE THAT SENT OUT THE FIRST, UM, EMAIL AND SPOKE ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT OUR CONCERNS.
AND, UH, MIKE READ WHAT YOU HAD SAID, THAT SHE HAD NEVER RECEIVED ANYTHING FROM THE, UH, THE TOWN OR FROM THE APPLICANT OR FROM EVEN THE CONSULTANT.
AND BY THE WAY, MY EMAILS ALSO WENT TO THE CONSULTANT WHO NEVER HAD THE COURTESY OF ANSWERING ME EITHER.
UM, SO THE WHOLE THING IS THAT THE D L T ALL INVOLVED AGENCIES, WHETHER IT'S THE P L T, WHETHER IT'S THE WESTCHESTER PLANNING BOARD, WHETHER THERE'S AN INTERESTED AGENCY, UM, THE C A C, UM, AND ALSO INTERESTED PARTIES LIKE THE W W C A AND THE C G C A, ALL THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION HAD INPUT INTO THE D E I S.
SO IT SEEMS THAT WE ARE BEING CLOSED OUT NOW OF THE COMPLETE PROCESS, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR.
I THINK IF A NEW PROPOSAL COMES IN, WE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DISCUSS IT, TO ANALYZE IT, TO REVIEW IT.
AND BY THE WAY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE APPLICANT HAD PUT IN ABOUT THE BALL FIELDS, HE NEVER MENTIONS THE TRAFFIC.
AND THE TRAFFIC ON DOBBS FERRY ROAD NOW IS REALLY, REALLY HEATING UP.
SO THE BALL FIELDS, IF, IF IT GOES THROUGH, WHETHER IT'S WHATEVER, AND THE, THAT NOW BECOMES A FEDERAL AND STATE PARK BECAUSE HE PLANS ON LINKING THAT PARK TO THE OTHER PARK THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO IT, SINCE WHAT EASTBROOK WAS BUILT WITH FEDERAL AND STATE MONEY, WHICH IS OPEN TO EVERY, AS
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I SAY, ANYONE AND EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES CAN COME IN AND USE THIS PARK.THE NEW FIELD WILL ALSO ALLOW, BE ALLOWED TO BE OPEN TO ANYONE.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER CONSIDERATION.
AND TERRY HAS SPOKEN ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON DOBBS BURY ROAD.
WELL, SHE SPOKE ABOUT FAIRVIEW TWO.
THAT'S THE STATION THAT'S ON THE CORNER GETTING OUT TO THE REST OF THE, UM, THE TOWN UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG IN THE FIRE DISTRICT.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENS.
IF THERE IS A TERRIBLE FIRE OR SOMETHING THAT FAIRVIEW ONE HAS TO COME OR MUTUAL AID HAS TO COME FROM HARTSDALE, THEY CANNOT GET THROUGH ON DOBBS FERRY ROAD TO COME TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I ASKED FOR THIS TO BE REOPENED AND I'M HOPING THAT THE TOWN WILL TAKE MY REQUEST IN CONSIDERATION AND HAVE LET US BE PART OF THE PROCESS WHERE WE CAN NOW REVIEW AND ANALYZE.
AND I THANK THE C A C FOR GOING FORTH WITH THEIR MOTION TO ASK THE SAME THING THAT, UH, AND PRESENT THE FACTS TO THEM.
NOW, UM, I DON'T WANNA TAKE MY FENDER AWAY FROM CALLS, SO CALL, YOU CAN TAKE IT FROM YOUR
UM, OKAY, SO I GUESS DOREEN, SO YOU WANT ME TO JUST LIKE, FOLLOW UP WITH WHAT YOU WANT ON ELMWOOD OR YOU WANT ME TO DISCUSS EL NO, WELL, I MEAN, NO, START WITH YOU.
YOU'LL THE WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO.
UM, I, UM, MY HOUSE BACKS UP TO WESTBROOK PARK.
UM, I FOUND OUT THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA THAT THE LITTLE LEAGUE FIELD COUNCIL OF LITTLE LEAGUE WAS, UM, HAVING A FUNDRAISER COMING UP THIS SUNDAY, JUNE 13TH AND, I'M SORRY, UH, CORRECTION MONDAY NIGHT, JUNE 14TH.
AND THAT THEY WANT TO PUT LIGHTS ON CAULEY FIELD, WHICH IS THE BIGGER OF THE TWO FIELDS, WHICH IS CLOSER TO THE SAWMILL RIVER, WHICH IS ACTUALLY MY NEIGHBOR IN MY BACKYARD,
SO, UM, I WAS ALSO A BOARD MEMBER AND I, I GREW UP IN THE HOUSE THAT I, I BELONG, I LIVE IN NOW.
SO THEN I PURCHASED IT FROM MY PARENTS.
AND, UM, I HAD, I PLAYED LITTLE LEAGUE IN THAT, IN THAT, THAT BALL FIELD.
UM, MY TWO CHILDREN PLAYED LITTLE LEAGUE IN THE BALL FIELD.
I BE, I WAS A BOARD MEMBER FOR THE LITTLE LEAGUE.
UM, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF PROGRESS ON THE BALL FIELDS.
UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, I WAS PART OF THAT PROGRESS.
WE BUILT THE NEW, UH, CLUBHOUSE.
UM, PROBLEM THAT I HAVE IS THE FACT THAT THEY WON INSTALL LIGHTS IN THE BALL FIELD.
UM, I'M KIND OF AGAINST, I AM TOTALLY AGAINST IT ONLY FOR THE FACT THAT IT'S JUST VERY, VERY CLOSE TO THE, UH, THE RESIDENCE OF BABBITT COURT.
UM, AND THREE OTHER HOUSES ARE DEFINITELY GONNA BE AFFECTED BY IT.
SO, UM, I JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST WANNA LET YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
I'M, I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE THAT THE TOWN CAN, I'M NOT SURE THAT YOU GUYS KNOW ABOUT IT.
I DID HAVE A MEETING WITH JERRY BYRNE.
UM, THEY, THEY'RE KIND OF, THEY, THEY'RE KIND OF ALL FOR IT.
UM, SO I, I JUST, I I'M TRYING TO, TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT'S, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE, WITH THE, THE, THEY JUST, THEY WANT TO DO THIS FUNDRAISER AND THEY NEVER REALLY NOTIFIED ANYBODY ON, ON BAIT COURT AS TO WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO.
UM, WHEN I WAS A BOARD MEMBER YEARS AGO, THE SUBJECT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT PUTTING LIGHTS UP THERE, BUT IT WAS QUICKLY SHUT DOWN ONLY FOR THE FACT THAT IT WAS JUST VERY, VERY CLOSE TO THE RESIDENTS ABOUT COURT.
AND, UM, IT WAS, THEY BRING THE LIGHTS UP PERMANENTLY OR JUST FOR THE FUNDRAISER, CARL? NO, NO, NO.
THEY'RE PUTTING LIGHTS UP PERMANENTLY SO THEY CAN HAVE NIGHT DOWN HERE AT FIELDS.
HOW HIGH ARE THE PROPOSED LIGHTS RIGHT NOW? THERE'S, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, I GUESS THEY'RE STILL IN TECHNICALLY THE PLANNING STAGES RIGHT NOW.
BUT I GUESS MY BIG BEEF IS THE FACT THAT THEY NEVER REALLY APPROACHED THE RESIDENTS TO FIND OUT IF WE WOULD ACCEPT LIGHTS HERE.
WELL, AND, AND SO IT'S, IT'S, RIGHT NOW IT'S IN THE PLANNING STAGES.
UH, I DO KNOW TALKING TO SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, THEY SAID THAT IT WAS, IT WAS GONNA BE, IT'S, IT'S ONLY DEF IT'S RIGHT NOW IN THE PLANNING STAGES, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.
AND I GO, YOU KNOW WHAT? I, I'M SORRY.
I SAYS I, I'M STILL, I LIVE HERE.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE I GOTTA TRY AND JUMP ON THIS, ON THIS BANDWAGON AND TRY AND, UH, ATTEMPT TO STOP IT.
I'M NOT THAT TYPE OF GUY THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT DOESN'T ENJOY LITTLE LEAGUE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I JUST, LIGHTS IS JUST DRAWING A LINE RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, THE TOWN HAS WITHIN ITS BUILDING CODE, IF I'M CORRECT, CERTAIN THINGS THAT DEAL WITH LIGHTS,
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FOR INSTANCE, WHEN WE'VE SEEN PROJECTS COME IN WITH PARKING LOTS, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS LIKE, UH, THAT THE LIGHTS BELOW THAT.SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS ALSO I, YOU SHOULD FIND OUT IS IF IN FACT THERE ARE ANY CODES IN THE BUILDING, ANY, ANYTHING IN THE EXISTING BUILDING CODE AS TO HOW HIGH UP THE LIGHTS CAN BE, HOW, HOW FAR THE, HOW THEY'RE BUILT TO DISPERSE THE LIGHT.
UM, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UM, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IS IT WOULD BE A CASE OF BEING PREPARED JUST IN CASE YOU CAN'T PREVENT THE LIGHTS THAT YOU AT LEAST CONTROL WHAT TYPE OF LIGHTS GO IN, WHERE THEY SHINE.
UM, 'CAUSE THEY CAN DO A LOT TODAY WITH DIRECTING LIGHT AND, AND YOU KNOW, SOME OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE LIGHTS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IT MIGHT BE OF INTEREST FOR YOU TO CHECK WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE TOWN'S EXISTING CODE AND HOW WE TREAT LIGHTS CURRENTLY.
WELL, UH, OKAY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT.
BUT THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THIS IS A TOWN PARK.
SO FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS, THEY BASICALLY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.
KEN, I'M SORRY, I DON'T WANNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
KEN, THE TOWN, THE TOWN CANNOT VIOLATE THE BUILDING LAW.
THAT'S LIKE, SORT OF SAYING THE TOWN, THE TOWN CAN INSTALL AN ELECTRIC LINE WITHOUT BRINGING IN A CER A LICENSED ELECTRICIAN.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CERTAIN LAWS, IT'S A LITTLE HARDER FOR THE TOWN TO CIRCUMVENT.
AND I THINK SOME OF THOSE ARE TRUE.
I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY, UM, OBVIOUS IT'S GONNA MAKE A HARDER LIFT DEGREE.
'CAUSE YOU ARE WORKING WITH THE TOWN, NOT SO YOU WORKING THE TOWN, OBVIOUSLY.
BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, I I THINK THAT OBVIOUSLY I CAN SYMPATHIZE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WELL, I JUST, UM, I I GUESS FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS, UM, ELMER LITTLE LEAGUE IS, IS KIND OF LIKE SELF-FUNDED EVEN THOUGH IT'S, IT'S, IT'S IN THE TOWN AND THE TOWN TECHNICALLY OWNS THE PROPERTY.
ELMER LITTLE LEAGUE REALLY DOES EVERYTHING ON THEIR OWN.
THEY HAVE VOLUNTEERS TO, TO DO WHATEVER, OR THEY HAVE PEOPLE COME IN AND, AND, AND, AND FIX THINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S, I THINK, UH, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS THEY'RE RAISING THE MONEY TO INSTALL THESE LIGHTS.
YES, I KNOW THAT THIS IS PART OF A TOWN PROPERTY AND THERE IS TOWN CODES THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
UM, BUT THERE'S NO EXPENSE OUT OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
YEAH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.
THERE MAY BE THINGS THAT THEY MAY WANNA PROPOSE TO DO THAT YOU CAN JUST STOP IN THE ATTRACTS BECAUSE THE TOWN CODE DOESN'T ALLOW IT.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S JUST SOMETHING YOU SHOULD BE AWARE OF WHAT, WHAT IT IS.
BECAUSE I KNOW IN TERMS OF, AND AARON CORRECT ME ON THIS, BUT WHEN WE'VE SEEN APPLICATIONS, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY DO PARKING LOT LIGHTS, UH, VERY OFTEN THEY HAVE TO DO LOW LEVEL LIGHTS.
SO THERE ARE TOWN CODE THINGS THAT HAVE TO DO WITH LIGHTING.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR YOU TO TRY AND CHECK OUT WHAT EXACTLY THE TOWN CODE IS ON THE LIGHTING.
I BELIEVE LIGHTING CAN BE UP TO 14 FEET IN HEIGHT.
UH, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT, BUT NOT IN PARKLANDS.
BUT HOW ABOUT PARKLANDS? UM, UH, AARON
SPECIFICATIONS FOR LIGHTS FOR LITTLE LEAGUE, AND THE POLES WERE LIKE 70 FEET, 60 TO RIGHT.
I MEAN, A 14 FOOT POLE'S NOT GONNA ILLUMINATE A FIELD.
SO I WOULD, UH, TOUCH BASE WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
AND YOU SAID YOU WERE IN TOUCH WITH JERRY BYRNE? UH, SORRY IF I MISSED, YOU KNOW WHAT? YEAH, YEAH, NO, I DID HE, UM, HE SAID HE WAS GONNA PUT 40 FOOT LIGHTS.
HE, UM, HE, HE WAS SAYING THAT HE WOULD GO NO FURTHER THAN 40 FEET.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S STILL KIND OF EASTBROOK EXCESSIVE.
AND HE EVEN SAID THAT THEY HAVE THOSE TYPE OF LIGHTS AT EASTBROOK AND THEY'RE LEDS, THEY'RE MORE EFFICIENT.
AND IF YOU WALK OFF THE, THE, UH, FIELD, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THE LIGHTS.
I JUST, IT'S RIGHT IN MY BACKYARD.
I MEAN, I FOUGHT, I MEAN, I FOUGHT AND I AGREED TO HAVE PEPPY COME THROUGH AND THEIR LIGHTS DON'T AFFECT ME AT ALL BECAUSE THEY'RE 15 FEET, BUT, UH, OR 14 FEET OR WHATEVER IT IS.
BUT
AND LIKE I SAID, I AM NOT AGAINST BALLS BALL PLAYING AND BALL BALL FIELDS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, I DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT THEY'RE HERE SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.
THEY'RE HERE FROM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
THIS IS A WORKING COMMUNITY HERE.
UM, AND THEY USUALLY END THEIR GAMES AT EIGHT
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O'CLOCK, EIGHT 30 THE LATEST.PLUS YOU HAVE PEOPLE MILLING AROUND.
SO IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE THEY'RE GONNA KEEP THE LIGHTS ON.
AND HOW LONG ARE THEY GONNA KEEP THE LIGHTS ON? YOU'VE GOT TWO, MY TWO NEIGHBORS NEXT TO US, THEY'VE GOT YOUNG BABIES IN THE HOUSE.
IT'S, I DON'T HAVE ANY YOUNG BABIES.
I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M RETIRED WITH MY WIFE.
I SAID BOTH KIDS ARE ALMOST OUT.
WELL, ONE KID'S OUTTA THE HOUSE, ONE KID'S ALMOST OUT OF THE HOUSE.
SO IT'S LIKE, IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A, UH, A QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE RIGHT NOW.
AND MEDICAID ARE STILL BABIES RIGHT NOW.
SO, AND, AND, AND THAT'S THE OTHER THING.
THEY GOT, THEY GOT BATTING CAGES IN THE BACK CORNER AND, UM, I'M AFRAID THAT THEY'RE GONNA THROW LIGHTS UP ON ONE OF THE BATTING CAGES TO HAVE THESE KIDS HIT.
AND THE BATTING CAGES ARE RIGHT NEXT TO THE FIELD.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT I'M NOT, NOT MISSING THE, ONE OF THE INITIAL POINTS THAT CARL MENTIONED, WHICH IS THAT THERE'S A FUNDRAISER TAKING PLACE TOMORROW NIGHT.
UH, THE FUNDRAISER PRESUMABLY NEEDED SOME APPROVAL.
UH, AND THE FUNDRAISER, UH, THE REASON FOR THE FUNDRAISER IS UNCLEAR.
WE WE'RE ASSUMING THAT IT'S, IT'S TO RAISE, UH, AWARENESS OR MONEY TO PUT THESE LIGHTS IN.
IF, UH, IF YOU'RE GOING TO APPROVE, UM, A PERMIT FOR A FUNDRAISER, IT SHOULD BE MANDATORY THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THE PROJECT ARE, ARE NOTIFIED.
THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE PROCESS OF ISSUING A PERMIT FOR THE FUNDRAISER.
WAS THAT PART OF YOUR INITIAL COMMENTS CALL, OR, OR DID I MAKE THAT UP TO
UM, I, I THINK THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE IS THE FACT THAT THIS NEW FUNDRAISER THAT THEY'RE DOING AND, AND LITTLE LEAGUE BASEBALL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR MONEY.
LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE SELF-FUNDED.
THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE IS THE FACT THAT THEY, THEY, THEY PUT THIS OUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND I JUST HAPPENED TO FIND IT BY ACCIDENT.
AND ONE OF THE POINTS WAS THAT THEY'RE DOING THIS FUNDRAISER TO LIGHT THE FIELD.
AND, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR EMAIL, IT SHOWS THEY'RE GONNA, UH, APPARENTLY PURCHASE AND INSTALL LIGHTS ON CAULEY FIELD, WHICH IS THE BIGGER FIELD.
AND THEY NEVER REALLY ADDRESSED THE RESIDENTS HERE.
SO, UM, I, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT AGAINST THE LITERAL LEAGUE DOING FUNDRAISERS.
I, I, YOU KNOW WHAT, I, I'M A VERY, I, I THINK I'M A VERY GOOD NEIGHBOR WITH EL FOR LITTLE LEAGUE.
I, I DON'T, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I, I DEAL WITH THEM PLAYING BALL ALL THE TIME.
I DEAL WITH THE BATTING CAGES, I DEAL WITH THE SOUND SYSTEM.
I ACTUALLY EVEN DEAL WITH THE KIDS HITTING BASEBALLS FROM SECOND BASE IN THE SMALLER FIELD OVER TO MY YARD JUST TO FEEL THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT THAT, UH, SIGNIFICANCE THAT THEY CAN HIT A BALL OVER THE, OVER THE FENCE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT, IT'S STARTING TO GET TO, IT'S, IT'S STARTING TO PUSH MY BUTTONS NOW, FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS.
WELL, COLE, KEEP US, YOU KNOW, INFORMED AND I, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU TRY AND MAYBE FIND OUT WHAT THE CODE IS AND THEN SEE WHERE YOU CAN WORK WITH THEM IN TERMS OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S A REASONABLE KIND OF, IF, IF, YOU KNOW, IF IN FACT THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN PREVENT THE LIGHTS, THAT AT LEAST THAT THE LIGHTS BE INSTALLED IN A WAY TO HAVE THE MINIMUM IMPACT ON, ON YOU AND YOUR NEIGHBORS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE TIMES OF DAY FOR THE LIGHTS AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT BECOME ISSUES CERTAINLY ARE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED.
UH, I COULD BE WRONG ON THIS, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT CERTAINLY WHEN THEY INSTALL THE LIGHTS, AARON, DON'T, THEY HAVE TO COME IN WITH SOME SORT OF PROCESS, AT LEAST A, A BUILDING PERMIT.
WHAT ABOUT A VARIANCE? AARON
DO YOU WANNA ATTEND TO THAT? I, I APOLOGIZE.
I'VE GOT THE AIR CONDITIONING GUY RUNNING THROUGH THE HOUSE.
UM, IF THE QUESTION RELATED TO ME FOLLOWING UP WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS THAT IT I USED IS, DOESN'T, DOESN'T, IF THEY'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY, WHEN THEY GET ACTUALLY READY TO SPEND THE MONEY AND INSTALL THE LIGHTS, DON'T THEY NEED TO GO TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR A BUILDING PERMIT? YOU KNOW, WITH THE TOWN PARKS? I REALLY DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I CAN FOLLOW UP ON IT FOR MEMBERS OF THE CAC C FOR MR. PFEIFFER, MS. LIPSON, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IF YOU COULD DO THAT FOR US.
I'M SORRY TO ADD ANOTHER THING TO THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO, AARON, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD AT LEAST LET HIM KNOW WHAT, WHAT HIS OPTIONS ARE.
TERRY, MAY I, I SPEAK AFTER YOU.
UM, I ALSO HAPPEN TO KNOW, I'M IN THE ELMSFORD LITTLE LEAGUE, UH, ELMS, I WAS INVOLVED WITH THE ELMS WITH LITTLE LEAGUE, SO I GO BACK WITH BOTH KIDS BEING INVOLVED IN IT.
SO IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT I'M PRO BALL OR NOT.
I'M A DIEHARD YANKEE FAN FROM DAY ONE.
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IN THE ELMSFORD SCHOOL DISTRICT AND I'M ON THE COMMITTEE THAT IS DEALING WITH SPENDING $6 MILLION FOR NEW WALL FIELDS.BIANCO, THE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS ASKED, WILL THEY PUT BE PUTTING LIGHTS UP ON THESE FIELDS? AND HE SAID, ABSOLUTELY NOT, BECAUSE WE HAVE ABUT ALL AROUND NOW THE SAME PROBLEM.
OF COURSE, THIS IS THE VILLAGE AND UH, WELL THIS IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS IN THE VILLAGE.
BUT THE SAME THING HAPPENED WITH MARIA REGINA WHEN THEY WERE TRYING TO, UH, WELL THEY DID GET, THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL IN ENLARGING, IN ENLARGING THEIR TRACK.
AND THE QUESTION WAS, WILL THEY BE PUTTING LIGHTS UP? WILL THEY BE HOLDING MEATS? WILL THEY BE DOING THIS AT NIGHT? AND THE ANSWER WAS NO.
THEY WILL NOT BE PUTTING LIGHTS UP.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE LITTLE LEAGUE IS NOT REALLY BEING VERY CONSIDERATE OF THEIR NEIGHBORS.
UM, THE, THE BABBITT COURT PEOPLE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THE ELMSFORD LITTLE LEAGUE LOOKS LIKE.
AND IN TERMS OF, UM, WE HAD THE BABBITT COURT PEOPLE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT A STREET AWAY.
THEY'RE, THEY ABUT THE PROPERTY.
AND I DON'T MEAN THERE'S A STREET IN BETWEEN THEM.
AND IT'S REALLY NOT FAIR TO THESE HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE GOING TO BE HAVING THEIR QUALITY OF THEIR LIFE, THE CHARACTER OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE EVENTUALLY IF THAT GOES THROUGH, THEY ARE GOING TO WANT LIGHTS ON THE OTHER FIELD AND EVENTUALLY THEY WILL WANT IT ON THE PARKING LOT.
SO BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, IT'S GONNA BECOME A DOMINO EFFECT.
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO, NOT WE, BUT THE, I KNOW THE, I'VE SPOKEN TO THE C G C A ABOUT THIS, THE, UM, THE EXECUTIVE BOARD AND WE ALL AGREE THAT LIGHTS ARE NOT APPROPRIATE IN THIS AREA BECAUSE OF HOW THEY ABUT THE BABBITT COURT HOMEOWNERS.
SO, UH, WE'RE GOING TO, I'M GOING TO BE WORKING WITH CARL AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING GETS DONE ACCORDING TO THE PROCESS AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN BE, I'M SORRY, WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN BE STOPPED BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR.
AND I HAVE ONE LAST THING BECAUSE I KNOW LIZ WANTED TO TELL US ABOUT SOMETHING THAT, UM, THE PLASTIC LIZ LIZ, OH, I ACTUALLY JUST WAS GONNA ASK AARON IF IT'S SOMETHING HE COULD SEND OUT IN THE NEWSLETTER THAT HE SENDS TO THE TOWN.
THERE'S, UH, UH, THE, THE, UH, WHAT IS IT? HANG ON.
IT'S THE US DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY WHOSE NEWSLETTER I GET.
THEY'RE PROMOTING, UH, PLASTIC FREE JULY.
AND THEY HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF TIPS ON HOW YOU CAN DO THAT.
AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD GO OUT IN, IN THE TOWN NEWSLETTER THE SAME WAY THEY PROMOTED THE GRID REWARDS, JUST TO LET PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT.
I CAN FORWARD THE EMAIL TO EVERYONE.
I WAS LOOKING FOR BUTTERFLY, BUTTERFLY BANDAGES FOR TO COME BACK.
IS SHE OKAY? UH, THEY'RE MY WIFE'S ASSESSING WHETHER OR NOT WE'VE HAVE TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL.
UM, BUT I AM HAPPY TO HELP OUT IN ANY WAY.
I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU EMAIL ME.
I KNOW LIZ EMAILED ME, UM, REGARDING SOME OF THE INITIATIVES THE TOWN'S TAKING WITH RESPECT TO BEING CLIMATE SMART.
SO I'M GONNA BE MEETING WITH GARRETT AND THE BUILDING INSPECTOR OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS, UH, AND REPORTING BACK TO LIZ ON THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE? I'M HAPPY TO ALWAYS FOLLOW UP.
SHE'S, SHE'S GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU TO, TO SEND SOMETHING OUT EMAIL THAT I, I'M ON THE US DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY'S CIRCULATION DISTRIBUTION LIST AND THEY'RE PROMOTING PLASTIC FREE JULY.
SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN GO OUT IN THE TOWNS E-BLAST TO LET, I'M HAPPY TO FORWARD IT ALONG TO THE SUPERVISOR.
WAS THAT THE EMAIL YOU SENT THIS AFTERNOON OR IS THIS SOMETHING YEAH, PROBABLY.
I THINK I DID I FORWARD THAT TO YOU ALREADY? PROBABLY.
I SAW SOMETHING PLASTIC FREE JULY AND IT GIVES TIPS ON WHAT YOU CAN DO.
YEAH, WE CAN CERTAINLY GET THAT OUT, UH, THROUGH THE SUPERVISOR'S, UH, GB LIST.
AND THANK YOU, LIZ, FOR BRINGING IT TO OUR ATTENTION.
IS ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG MEETING, BUT I THANK YOU ALL AND WE'LL BE TOGETHER ON THE 24TH.
I HOPE YOU DON'T HAVE A TRIP TO THE HOSPITAL COMING UP.
OH, OH, CAN I SAY SOMETHING TO.