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AUGUST 3RD.GREAT SUPERVISOR, FINER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, TOWN ATTORNEY AND OUR, UM, TOWN CLERK.
I AM DONOVAN BECKFORD, AND I AM A MEMBER OF THE NAACP OF THE WHITE PLAINS GREENBURG CHAPTER.
AND, UM, THIS EVENING I HAVE WITH ME OUR PRESIDENT, MS. JANICE GRIFFITHS.
I HAVE JOE MARRIE, WHO IS ALSO A MEMBER OF OUR, OUR CHAPTER, AND A MEMBER OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE COMMITTEE.
I, UH, CO-CHAIR THE COMMITTEE WITH MICHELLE BROWN, CRIMINAL JUSTICE COMMITTEE.
AND THE ISSUE, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT RISES OF THE, THAT COMMITTEE, AND IT HAS TO DO WITH THE BLACK LIVES MATTER SIGN.
SO YOU PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO BE REMINDED AT ALL ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE THAT BLACK AND COLORED PEOPLE HAVE HAD IN THIS COUNTRY.
WE HAVE BEEN SUBJECTED TO DISCRIMINATION OF ALL FORM AND IN ALL PLACES IN THE WORKPLACE, IN SCHOOLS, UM, IN OUR COMMUNITIES.
BUT LAST YEAR IT CAME TO THE FRONT BECAUSE OF THE TRAYVON MARTIN ISSUE IN FLORIDA.
AND OF COURSE, UH, GEORGE FLOYD AND THE BRIANNA'S CASE ALL BROUGHT THIS BLACK LIFE MOVEMENT TO BECOME A NATIONAL CAMPAIGN, A CAMPAIGN TO REMIND US, REMIND ALL OF US ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO VALUE THE LIVES OF BLACK, UM, CITIZENS IN THE UNITED STATES.
YOU KNOW, WE WERE VERY PLEASED WHEN THE TOWN BOARD APPOINTED A COMMITTEE UNDER THAT NAME.
UH, WE UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF THAT COMMITTEE, AND WE WERE VERY PROUD WHEN THE TOWN CHOSE TO APPOINT A COMMITTEE.
AND THE HONORABLE JONES CHAIRED IT, AND WE KNOW THEY DELIBERATED WELL, SEVERAL OF YOU PARTICIPATED IN THAT.
AND AT THE OUTSET, IT WAS DECIDED BY THE COMMITTEE ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD TO PLACE THE SIGNS UP IN STRATEGIC LOCATIONS.
AND THE STRATEGIC LOCATIONS WAS TO REMIND US THAT THESE INCIDENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED OVER THE YEARS, SOME OF WHICH HAVE HAPPENED HERE IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY, WHICH DOES NOT REFLECT ON THE VALUE OF OUR BLACK LIVES, THAT WE NEED TO BEGIN TO THINK MORE CAREFULLY ABOUT THEM.
SO WE SALUTE THE COMMITTEE FOR THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE.
THEY DECIDED ON A SIGN WHERE THEY WOULD BE LOCATED, AND THE WORDING THAT WOULD GO ON THE SIGN AND WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, THE WORDING ON THAT SIGN WAS, ALL LIVES CAN'T MATTER UNTIL BLACK LIVES MATTER.
THE SIGNS WERE DEVELOPED AND THEY WERE POSTED, AND AS IT WERE, ONE OF THEM WAS VANDALIZED AND TAKEN DOWN BY AN UNKNOWN PERSON.
WE CALL THIS PERSON THE VANDAL.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE TOWN IS CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, THE FEELINGS OF ALL THE COMMUNITIES, AND WE DO TOO.
WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT ALL THE RESIDENTS IN GREENBURG.
OF COURSE, WE'RE REPRESENTING THE NAACPS REPRESENTING A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN DISCRIMINATED AGAINST.
SO THE COMMITTEE HAS CON RECONVENED, AND THEY HAVE DISCUSSED, AND THEY'VE COME UP WITH A, AN ALTERNATIVE THAT SAYS, RACISM IS NOT TOLERATED HERE.
AND WE CAN APPRECIATE THAT RACISM SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED ANYWHERE.
BUT I THINK THAT WE THINK THAT THAT TERMINOLOGY IS SO BROAD AND SO ALL ENCOMPASSING THAT THE MESSAGE IS LOST.
SO TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, WE, AGAIN, JUST ACKNOWLEDGING THE WORK THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS DONE, WE COME TO ASK THE, SO PRIOR TO GETTING TO THAT, WE'VE COME TO ASK THIS, UH, THE BOARD TO RECONSIDER THAT BEFORE POSTING UP THIS NEW SIGN, WHICH IS NOT, WE'RE NO, YOU KNOW, WE DO NOT SUPPORT.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING, STRONGLY RECOMMENDING THAT WE PULL BACK AND TAKE ANOTHER WEEK OR TWO TO CONVENE WITH THE COMMITTEE.
THE NAACP WILL HAVE REPRESENTATIVES WITH THE COMMITTEE, AND WE ALSO INVITE OTHER REPRESENTATIVES FROM OTHER GROUPS TO PARTICIPATE.
AND LET'S COME UP, UH, WITH A DECISION AROUND HOW WE REPRESENT THE BLACK LIVES MATTER CAMPAIGN.
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CAMPAIGN.IT'S NOT A WESTCHESTER COUNTY CAMPAIGN.
IT'S A NATIONAL CAMPAIGN THAT WOULD SHED LIGHT ON THE ISSUES THAT AFRICAN AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE BEEN FACING IN THIS COUNTRY.
YOU KNOW? SO YOU'RE BASICALLY ASKING IF, UH, THE N A A C P COULD MEET WITH THE COMMITTEE AND THEN DISCUSS, UH, UM, THE SENSITIVITY, YOU KNOW, OF THIS AND YOU KNOW, YOUR CONCERNS AND, AND THEN, UH, AND THEN THE COMMITTEE WOULD HEAR, YOU KNOW, YOUR THOUGHTS AND, AND THEN COULD, YOU KNOW, COULD DECIDE.
I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT'S A RE SPEAKING PERSONALLY.
I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, REQUEST, UH, I MEAN, I, WE WERE TALKING IN THE PARKING LOT BE BEFORE, AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE INITIALLY SUPPORTED THE WORDING, THERE WAS AN ACT OF VANDALISM, AND IT DEFINITELY WAS A HATEFUL, YOU KNOW, ACT WHEN SOMEBODY DESTROYED, YOU KNOW, THE SIGN.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR CONCERN IS THAT, UM, THAT IF YOU LOOK THE OTHER WAY, IT SENDS A MESSAGE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COULD GET AWAY WITH THESE TYPES OF ACTS.
UH, THREE, THREE THINGS I THINK HAPPENS HERE, MR. SUPERVISOR.
ONE IS THAT WE RETREAT IN THE, THE NAAC DOES NOT RETREAT IN THE FACE OF VANDALISM.
UH, ALL THE CIVIL RIGHTS LAWS OF THE 1960S CAME BECAUSE ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE NAACP STOOD UP AND THERE WERE A LOT OF REASONS WHY THEY SHOULD RETREAT, EVEN GOTTEN BEATEN, KILLED, HUNG, BUT THEY PRESSED FORWARD.
AND THIS IS ONE EXAMPLE OF WHERE WE NEED TO PRESS FORWARD.
THE TOWN TOOK A POSITION WHICH YOU THOUGHT WAS VERY GOOD, AND I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD RETREAT FROM IT.
SECONDLY, I DON'T THINK YOU WANT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPORTIVE, WHO SUPPORTS THE NAACP TO FEEL THAT THEY WERE GIVEN SOMETHING AND IT'S TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM.
IT HAPPENS TOO OFTEN TO US AS BLACK PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY.
WE GET TOO MUCH UNDER JUST DISAPPEARS FROM US.
AND THEN THIRDLY, I THINK THIS IS NOT JUST A BLACK ISSUE.
IT'S AN ISSUE OF ALL THE COMMUNITIES.
I THINK THAT THE FACT THAT SOMEONE YOU JUST SENT IT TO OUR SIGN DOWN MEANS THAT THERE'S, THIS PERSON HAS SOME RACIST ANTI-BLACK TENDENCIES.
'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THE WORDS BLACK LIVES MATTER TO BE POSTED IN THE TOWN.
SO THAT'S OUR REQUEST, MS, MR. SUPERVISOR, THAT THE TOWN BOARD POSTPONE A VOTE ON THAT ISSUE.
AND WE WERE WILLING TO MEET WITH THE COMMITTEE AND WE WILL, YOU KNOW, WORK ON AN ALTERNATIVE THAT WE THINK WE'RE MUTUALLY AGREEABLE.
DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT JUST NO.
THE NEXT MEETING IS AUGUST 12TH AT 11 O'CLOCK.
SO JUST MAKE SURE WE HAVE YOUR EMAIL ADDRESSES AND, UM, FEEL FREE TO COME.
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR COMING.
BEFORE WE, UH, WE MIGHT AS WELL ENTERTAIN JERRY.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK.
UM, AS I, UH, SHIRT ON THE MIC AND BRING CLOSER.
YOU SHOULD, I GUESS I'M NOT GROUNDED.
I THINK JANELLE'S TRYING TO KILL ME.
AND THEN, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE YOU OVER.
UM, UH, OVER THE WEEKEND, UH, OR OVER THE WEEKEND, SUPERVISOR FINDER SENT US, UH, AN EMAIL, UH, UH, SHARING THAT HE HEARD THAT THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE WAS GOING TO, UM, REQUIRE WEARING MASK AND ALL WESTCHESTER COUNTY PARKS, BEACHES, AND OUTDOOR POOLS.
UM, AS I MENTIONED TO YOU, I FOLLOWED UP, UM, WITH THE COUNTY AND AS OF, UH, YOU FOLLOWED UP, I FOLLOWED UP.
I TALKED TO, UH, UH, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER ANDRE EARLY, AND, UH, I DID TALK TO ONE OF THE, UH, UH, POOL FACILITY DIRECTORS AT ONE OF THE POOL COMPLEX.
AND, UH, WHAT I FOUND OUT IS THAT BEGINNING ON AUGUST 6TH, UH, ALL COUNTY POOLS, UH, WILL REQUIRE IN COMMON AREAS THAT EVERYONE WEAR A MASK DUE TO THE INCREASE OF, UH, CASES.
UM, PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE, UH, DELTA VARIANT.
AND I'M LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM THE TOWN BOARD ON WHETHER WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT THAT, UH, AT MAZARRA PARK OUTDOOR POOL.
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PARK POOL COMPLEX.COMMON AREAS WOULD BASICALLY BE, MEANING GOING BACK TO THE 2020 PANDA PANDEMIC MASS PROTOCOLS, WHICH WOULD BE COMMON AREAS, IS WHEN YOU, UH, ARE IN THE LINE TO GET INTO THE PARK WHEN YOU'RE ON THE SIDEWALKS WALKWAYS, ONCE YOU'RE SEATED DOWN, THEN YOU'D BE ABLE TO TAKE YOUR MASK OFF.
WHEN YOU'RE IN THE POOL, OF COURSE YOU CAN'T HAVE IT.
YOU GO TO THE RESTROOMS FIRST AID STATION OR TO THE SNACK BAR, YOU WOULD HAVE TO, UH, WEAR A MASK.
THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THE COUNTY WILL BE HAVING IN, UM, THE ONE THING THAT I DO KNOW IS ENFORCEMENT COULD BE DIFFICULT FOR US.
UM, WE'RE COMING TO THE END OF THE SEASON, WHICH IS FOUR WEEKS.
UM, WE HAVE BASICALLY SAID IT'S ON THE HONOR SYSTEM.
WHETHER IT'S WORKED OR NOT, I DON'T THINK, BECAUSE IT'S VERY RARELY DO YOU SEE PEOPLE WEARING A MASK.
AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT AT A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLIANCE PROBABLY WITH ALL THE PARK PATRONS.
SO, UM, THE HONOR SYSTEM'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FOR VACCINE VERSUS A MASK.
YOU CAN SEE WHETHER OR NOT SOMEBODY'S WEARING A MASK.
YOU CAN'T SEE WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY WERE, WE, WE WE'RE NOT GOING UP TO THEM AND SAYING THEM.
WERE YOU VACCINATED OR NOT? NO.
EVERYBODY WEARS A MASK WHETHER YOU'RE VACCINATED OR NOT.
I'M SAYING PRESENTLY, THE PRESENT POLICY THAT WHEN YOU COME INTO COMPLEX OR NOT, UH, WHAT THE COUNTY BASICALLY DID IS THAT WHETHER YOU'RE VACCINATED OR NOT, EVERYONE'S GONNA WEAR A MASK.
SO THEN THAT BASICALLY MAKES A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLIANCE.
'CAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT, THEN YOU'RE ASKED TO, TO LEAVE.
SO THE QUESTION IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU LIKE FOR US TO IMPLEMENT THAT? I WOULD PROBABLY NEED A COUPLE OF DAYS ADVANCE NOTICE, UM, TO DO THAT.
UH, I WAS THINKING MAYBE BEGINNING ON MONDAY.
I MEAN, THEY BASICALLY CAME OUT YESTERDAY TO DO IT COMING UP FOR THIS WEEKEND.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ENOUGH TIME TO COME IN THERE.
UM, I DO KNOW YOU PROBABLY WILL GET SOME PHONE CALLS AND PUSHBACK FOR SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE ANTI MASKERS.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A DECISION WHERE I THINK THE C D C OR THE GOVERNOR CAME OUT RECENTLY SAYING IT'S REALLY UP TO THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE VARIANT IS SPREADING AND I THINK THAT PEOPLE AREN'T TAKING IT SERIOUSLY ENOUGH.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE COUNTY IS DOING IT.
THE GOVERNOR, THE WASHINGTON, EVERYBODY'S SAYING WE HAVE TO DO MORE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, GET VACCINATED.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE MASKS, UM, YOU KNOW, BY ITSELF, IT SENDS A MESSAGE THAT COVID IS NOT BEHIND US BECAUSE IT'S NOT NO.
BUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, I MEAN, WE WENT TO LIKE AN EVENT, YOU KNOW, LAST WEEK, AND THERE WERE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE, THREE, FOUR PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, UH, WEAR, WEAR MASKS.
UH, PEOPLE ARE JUST, PEOPLE JUST ASSUME THAT THIS IS OVER.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THIS IS A REALLY POSITIVE STEP.
YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE SIGNAGE AT, YOU KNOW, KEY PARTS AROUND THE POOL, UH, JUST SAYING YOU MUST WEAR A MASK IF YOU'RE WALKING ON, SAY THE, UH, THE WALKWAY.
WHAT WE WOULD DO AT THE MAIN COMPLEX IS THAT WE'D PROBABLY HAVE SOMEONE STATIONED OUTSIDE.
AND IT MIGHT BE, AS LONG AS WE HAVE AVAILABILITY OF STAFFING, REMINDING EVERYONE, PEOPLE HAVE TO BRING IN THEIR OWN MASKS.
SOMETIMES WHEN SOMEONE DOESN'T HAVE A MASK FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE'LL HAVE A BOX AND, AND WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE IT OUT TO EVERYONE WHEN THEY NEED IT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FIRST TIME WE TELL 'EM, WE'D PROBABLY LIKE TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A MASK AVAILABLE FOR THEM SO THEY CAN COME IN.
AND THEN WE'D HAVE PEOPLE STATIONED BACK OUTSIDE OF THE RESTROOMS, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKE REMINDING THEM BEFORE THEY DO IT.
AND THE SAME WOULD BE FOR THE SNACK BAR.
BUT YOU MENTIONED, YOU MENTIONED THERE WAS SOME CHALLENGES IN DOING THIS BY THE SIXTH, THE SAME DATE THAT THE COUNTIES DON, WHAT ARE YOUR CHALLENGES? YEAH, I, I THINK I GOTTA, I, I HAVE TO GIVE A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT AND, YOU KNOW, AND GIVE PEOPLE, UH, ADVANCED NOTICE.
I CAN TELL YOU IF I IMPLEMENTED TOMORROW, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, NEGATIVE PUSHBACK BY HALF OF THE POOL PATRONS.
I JUST DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST DO A, A REALLY QUICK STOP.
I THINK IF I SEND OUT A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT, LIKE THE COUNTY DID, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY DID IT YESTERDAY.
THEY'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, FIVE DAYS LATER FROM THE DAY THAT WE DECIDED I'LL GIVE 'EM LIKE FIVE DAYS NOTICE.
SO AT LISA SAID, WE SENT IT OUT, WE REMINDED IT, WE DID EMAIL BLAST, AND THEN, AND TAKE THAT OFF THE TABLE OF A, OF A, OF A REASON, YOU KNOW, AND THEY DON'T LIKE SHOW UP ANYWAY.
YOU CAN POST IT, I THINK, AT THE, AT THE POOL.
WHAT I WAS WONDERING IS, SHOULD WE BE PUTTING UP SIGNS AT SOME OF THE OTHER PARKS JUST TO REMIND PEOPLE TO WEAR MASKS? I THINK, YEAH.
I THINK, UM, WE'LL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, UH, PROBABLY SEND OUT, GET THAT, UH, PRODUCED.
I'M THINKING ABOUT THE DOG PARK, BECAUSE AREN'T PEOPLE CLOSE TOGETHER THERE? NO, THE DOGS ARE, NO, I KNOW, BUT THEIR OWNERS HAVE TO BE HANGING AROUND.
BUT USUALLY THEY'RE DISTANT AT DISTANCE OR WHATEVER.
IT'S JUST, I MEAN, IF IT'S SIX FEET OR MORE, YOU STILL DON'T HAVE TO WEAR A MASK, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BUT WE'RE SAYING IN COMMON AREAS WHERE IT'S, IT'S MORE CONGESTED MM-HMM.
UM, IT, IT'S LIKE THE POOL IS IS IS MORE OF AN OPEN AREA.
AND THEN LIKEWISE, WHEN WE DO PROGRAMMING, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA DO LIKE SPOOKTOBER FEST, WE HAVE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO START LOOKING AT A LOT OF STUFF THAT WHEN THEY COME IN, WILL WE MAKE IT, YOU
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KNOW, EVERYONE WEAR A MASK.BUT, UM, I, I THINK ABOUT SIX WEEKS AGO WHEN WE WERE HEADING IN, IN, IN, IN A MORE POSITIVE DIRECTION, I WAS GETTING READY TO SAY, FOR FULLY VACCINATED PEOPLE IN COMMON AREAS, IN THE BUILDINGS NOT HAVE TO MM-HMM.
IT'S JUST LIKE, IT, IT, WE, WE WE'RE GOING IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.
SO I, I CAN'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.
UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, LIKE THE VACCINATION, UH, YOU KNOW, POLICY.
I'M WONDERING IF, UM, WE SHOULD BASICALLY, UH, I MEAN, SHOULD WE BE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THAT RIGHT NOW? CAN WE JUST, LET'S JUST FINISH THIS TOPIC ABOUT THE POOL FIRST, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON.
UM, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A SIMPLE MAJORITY.
IF, IF YOU WANT ME TO DO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I CAN IMPLEMENT IT.
WELL, YOU MENTIONED, YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, HOW YOU WOULD ENFORCE IT AT THE MAIN COMPLEX AT ANTI VETERAN PARK.
WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER POOLS? WELL, THAT, THAT'S A SMALLER ENCLOS AREA.
YOU, BEFORE YOU COME IN, YOU KNOW, YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO WEAR A MASK.
AND WHEN, SO YOU WOULD HAVE SOMEONE THERE TOO? WELL, YEAH, IT'S A SMALL OPERATION.
AND ON WEEKENDS IT'S, UH, NO, IT'S REALLY FROM THE EVENING REALLY FROM FOUR O'CLOCK MM-HMM.
AND ON WEEKENDS IT'S LIKE ONE TO SEVEN.
AND WE ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, ANYONE THAT COME IN, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A MASK.
AND WOULD YOU DO THE SAME THING? WOULD YOU HAVE LIKE SOME SPARES THERE ALSO FOR, TO GET TO PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T HAVE ABSOLUTE, OKAY.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE WE'RE ALLOWING, YOU KNOW, VACCINATED PEOPLE, LIKE WHEN THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, IN THE BASKETBALL LEAGUE, YOU KNOW, OUTDOORS THAT THEY WEREN'T WEARING A MASK.
IT'D BE VERY INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS FOR YOUTH SPORTS.
'CAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I'M A VOLLEYBALL AND A BASKETBALL OFFICIALS MM-HMM.
LET, LET ME ASK A QUESTION THAT I WAS JUST SORT OF THINKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF, UH, THE GUEST POLICY, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE ENTERING THE POOL, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE THE UNIT CARD, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T SAY MANDATED VACCINATIONS, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE HAVE THE UNIT CARD, BUT WHAT IF THE TOWN WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, AS ANOTHER STEP, NO GUESTS ALLOWED UNLESS, UH, THEY, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VACCINATED, UM, BECAUSE, UH, THEY'RE NOT ENTITLED, YOU KNOW, AUTOMATICALLY TO THE POOL USE.
AND THEN WE'RE BASICALLY SENDING ANOTHER MESSAGE TO, UH, UH, THE COMMUNITY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE NOT VACCINATED, IT'S GONNA BE, UM, IT IS GONNA BE, IT IS GONNA BE HARDER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M TELLING YOU, THERE'S, IT, IT REALLY IS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.
UM, GETTING, UM, GETTING PEOPLE WHO ARE VACCINE HESITANT TO TAKE THE VACCINES.
I MEAN, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH KRISTA, WE HAVE THIS VAX WESTCHESTER COMMITTEE.
IT'S LIKE PULLING TEETH, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO BE VACCINATED JUST DON'T WANT TO BE VACCINATED.
AND THIS IS ALL OVER, ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
YOU KNOW, GREENBURG'S NOT ALONE.
AND DO YOU WANT MY OPINION? YEAH, I THINK WE'RE, WE GOT LESS THAN FOUR WEEKS BEFORE THE SEASONS ENDED.
WE DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VET IT WITH THE ADVISORY BOARD.
UM, AND, AND, UH, I THINK, UH, I, I, I WOULD BE AGAINST IT.
I THINK, I THINK IT'S TOO MUCH AT THIS POINT.
I THINK UNION NEED HAD A BIGGER DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMUNITY BEFORE YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, IT'S GONNA BE HARD ENOUGH JUST TO GET PEOPLE TO WEAR A MASK.
UM, THE COUNTY IS, IS ALLOWING GUESTS TO COME IN.
THE CITY OF NEW YORK'S NOT DOING IT.
THIS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING.
I JUST THINK, UH, IT, IT'S, IT'S GONNA CREATE MORE PROBLEMS THAN, THAN HELP, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT, ENCOURAGING PEOPLE THAT ARE VACCINE HESITANT, UH, TO GET VACCINATED.
WE GOTTA CONTINUE TO DO THAT AND, AND BE DILIGENT, UH, WITH THAT MESSAGING.
UH, AND AT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE KNOW WE CAN'T FORCE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, AND I, I'M TRYING TO AVOID USING ANTI-VAX VACCINATED, I'M TRYING TO SAY VACCINE HESITANT.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE.
SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE, BUT I'M TRYING TO CHANGE MY VOCABULARY.
UM, PERSONALLY, I THINK, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE DOES.
ANYONE DOESN'T, THAT DOES NOT HAVE A, UH, UNDERLYING MEDICAL CONDITION OR A RELIGIOUS REASON FOR NOT TAKING IT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD, BUT I CAN'T CONTROL 'EM.
SO CAN THE, DO YOU KNOW JERRY, WHETHER OR NOT THE, UM, VIRUS IS, UH, ALIVE IN WATER WITH CHLORINE? NO.
IT ALL, ALL I KNOW IS THAT THE, THE, THE THEORY BASICALLY IS, IS THAT IF IT'S IN THERE, IT WOULD DIE.
THE SCIENTISTS, THE, UH, THE EXPERTS ARE BASICALLY SAYING, I ALSO THINK WE'VE LEARNED THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, DISINFECTING TOUCHPOINTS IS SO MINIMAL TO, TO REALLY LIKE WHEN WE, 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW AT FIRST.
I DON'T THINK WE KNOW ANYTHING.
THIS IS, PEOPLE ARE MAKING THE MISTAKE OF, YOU KNOW, THEY LIED TO US.
THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, WEAR A MASK.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WEAR A MASK.
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IT STAYS, YOU KNOW, 30 MINUTES ON A SURFACE.IT STAYS TWO HOURS ON A SURFACE.
THIS IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT VAR VIRUS.
THEY CALL IT A VARIANT FOR A REASON.
SO ALL THE STUDIES THEY'VE DONE ON THE ORIGINAL COVID 19, THEY'RE OUT THE WINDOW.
AND THAT'S HOW THEY'RE FINDING THAT THIS VIRUS IS, IS SO MUCH EASIER TO TRANSMIT FROM PERSON TO PERSON.
AND PEOPLE SAYING, OH, YOU KNOW, SCIENTISTS ARE NUTS.
LAST YEAR THEY SAID THIS, THIS YEAR.
IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SUBJECT.
AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD THIS DISCUSSION BEFORE.
I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO EVER STOP WITH THE MASKS AT THE PARK.
'CAUSE I KNEW FROM EPIDEMIOLOGISTS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE THIS PROBLEM WITH THE DELTA VARIANT.
AND PEOPLE JUST DECIDING THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M TIRED OF STAYING INDOORS.
I'M TIRED, TIRED OF WEARING A MASK.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT PERSON'S FREEDOM.
MY MAIN CONCERN ARE THE KIDS UNDER 12.
AND NOBODY CAN SAY THEY DO THAT.
WHEN A YOUNG PERSON GETS THE, THE VIRUS AND THEY GET SICK AND THEY MAY HEAL QUICKLY.
WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT'S GONNA DO TO THAT CHILD'S BODY IN 20 YEARS.
THEY ARE BASICALLY GUINEA PIGS BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO WEAR A MASK.
BUT I DON'T WANNA COMPARE TO LAST YEAR TO THIS.
AS SCARED AS EVERYBODY WAS OF THE HOSPITAL RATES LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF THE C OVID 19 ORIGINAL VIRUS, THEY SHOULD BE EVEN MORE SCARED.
NOW, NOW I SAY, WELL, IT'S UN IT'S AMONG THE UNVACCINATED, BUT THOSE UNVACCINATED CAN CONTAMINATE OUR YOUNG CHILDREN OR PEOPLE UNDER 12 WHO CAN'T GET VACCINATED.
SO FRANKLY, MY POSITION IS THAT WE SHOULD DO WHAT WE CAN, PARTICULARLY IN A RECREATION FACILITY, LIKE A PARK, TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN.
AND IF THAT MEANS WEARING A MASK, YOU KNOW, FOR A PERIOD LONGER, IT MEANS WEARING A MASK.
SO YOU SUPPORT, YOU SUPPORT JERRY'S REQUEST.
OH, DO YOU THINK THAT WAS AMBIGUOUS
SHAINA, DO YOU SUPPORT JERRY'S REQUEST? DIANA, DO YOU SUPPORT JERRY'S REQUEST? YES, JERRY, I SUPPORT YOUR REQUEST.
SO, AND UH, YOU ALREADY SAID HE SUPPORTS.
YEAH, I JUST WANNA MENTION THAT, UH, I LOOKED UP IN GOOGLE.
WE REALLY REQUEST SWIMMING DOESN'T HAVE ANY DONE, GUYS.
I'M LOOKING FOR DIRECTION DOESN'T, AND I'M, IT DOESN'T SPREAD COVID.
OBVIOUSLY, WHATEVER'S GONNA PROTECT OUR COMMUNITIES.
I MEAN, SINCE, SINCE WE'RE HAVING A LIVE BROADCAST, I'M NOT A DOCTOR, WHATEVER.
BUT ALL THE EPIDEMIOLOGISTS I TALKED TO, AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MASKS, THE WHOLE THEORY WAS THAT THE MORE PEOPLE THAT GET VACCINATED, THE LESS THAT'LL BE OUT THERE THAT THE VARIANT CAN SPREAD.
AND, AND, AND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO MESSAGE TO HAVE.
BUT IT, IT'S GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT TO ACHIEVE THAT.
WHEN A LARGE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE NOT GETTING VACCINATED FOR WHATEVER PERSONAL REASONS THEY MAY HAVE, OR VACCINE HESITANT.
SO, UM, BY US WEARING A MASK, THAT'S WHY WE'RE GOING BACK TO IT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT WORKING IN ITS PRESENT SYSTEM.
SO UNTIL THE NUMBERS COME DOWN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CUTTING BACK.
BUT THEN, THEN, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, THE SECOND, YOU KNOW, ISSUE THAT I BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, LAST WEEK WAS SHOULD WE DO WHAT, UH, THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, YONKERS AND
I THINK WE SHOULD, BUT I ALSO, THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT, I ALSO FEEL THAT IF, SAY IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, WE WERE, YOU KNOW, JERRY SAID, YOU KNOW, HE DOESN'T LIKE, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, VACCINATION SAYING FOR GUESTS ONLY.
UH, I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD REALLY BE EASY BECAUSE ALL YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO IS WHEN SOMEBODY'S GOING, UH, TO THE PAR, THE ENTRANCE OF THE PARK WITH A GUEST, UM, NOT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT AUTOMATICALLY ENT.
THEY, THEY'RE NOT RESIDENTS OF UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG.
IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS IT, IT DISPLAY.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD BE BETTER OFF TO SAY NO GUEST, ALLOW.
NOW, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT, THEN, THEN GO TO SOMEONE AND TELL THEM, ARE YOU VACCINATED OR NOT? YOU'RE NOT, YOU CAN'T COME IN.
IT'S JUST, IT'S TOO COMPLICATED.
I MEAN, THERE'S BIGGER ISSUES.
AND THE MAIN THING IS, IS GET AS MANY PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY VACCINATED SO WE CAN REDUCE THE RISK OF THE DISCREDIT LOOK, I JUST ASK, AND I, I THINK, CAN I JUST ASK ANOTHER QUESTION? IF SOMEBODY, IF SOMEBODY'S AT THE GATE, BECAUSE I GO TO THE POOL LIKE EVERY WEEK, SO WAIT, WHAT YOU CAN DO, SEND 'EM HOME.
YEAH, I'M THE COMPUTER CENTER.
BUT IF SOMEBODY GOES TO THE GATE AND BASICALLY, UH, THEY DON'T HAVE A UNICORN AND THEY WANT TO BRING A GUEST AND WE PUBLICIZE IT, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THAT YOU NEED A VACCINATION, YOU KNOW, UH, UNIT CARD, THEN YOU'RE BASICALLY SENDING
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A, A STRONGER MESSAGE THAT WE REALLY ARE GONNA START, UM, BEING EVEN MORE, MORE AGGRESSIVE.BECAUSE THE PROBLEM WITH THIS VACCINE HESITANCY IS THAT A LOT OF COMMUNITIES ARE JUST NOT DOING ENOUGH.
YOU KNOW, IF THE VOLUNTARY, UM, VACCINATION, YOU KNOW, REQUESTS IS NOT REALLY WORKING AT ALL.
PAUL, LET ME, LET ME JUST, LEMME PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE.
YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS BRINGING ANOTHER CHILD WHO CAN'T BE VACCINATED.
ARE YOU GONNA KEEP THAT CHILD? NO.
WELL, WELL, YOU COULD BASICALLY SAY ANYONE, ANY ADULT WHO, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST THROWING OUT ANY, UH, GUEST WHO'S AN ADULT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD SET UP THE, A REASONABLE CRITERIA.
THEN, THEN EVERYBODY'S GONNA START REALIZING, UH, GOSH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY SERIOUS.
THERE'S LIKE SO MANY MIXED MESSAGES WITH THIS.
I THINK MOST PEOPLE THINK THAT.
I THINK THAT THE AVERAGE PERSON THINKS IT'S OVER AT ONE POINT.
SO THAT'S WHY I WASN'T SURE HIPA, WHETHER WE CAN ASK, BUT LEMME ASK YOU WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE, PAUL? I'M WANNA PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN OUTDOOR POOL, WHICH IS SAFER AND IT'S OPEN AIR.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE THAT HAVING SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, ENTERING THAT FACILITY AND SAY, IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU'RE NOT VACCINATED, YOU CAN'T COME IN FROM WALKING INTO TOWN HALL, WHICH IS A CLOSED ENVIRONMENT.
SO I THINK IT'S NO, BUT I, I, BUT THE TURNAROUND AT THIS POINT, WITH FOUR WEEKS LEFT TO THE CENTER, I THINK IT'S A BIGGER DISCUSSION THAT YOU SHOULD YEAH.
BUT THAT, THAT'S THE OTHER ISSUE THAT, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO, I MEAN, BECAUSE IT'S LIKE WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING THROUGH THE DOORS ALL THE TIME.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO ASK THE BOARD.
SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE BASICALLY, UH, DO WHAT THE FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, AND, UH, YONKERS AND ROCHELLE IS DOING AND SAY, WELL, EMPLOYEES HAVE TO BE, UH, VACCINATED OR, OR TESTED WEEKLY? I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD FOLLOW THE STRICTEST POLICIES THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE, ARE DOING.
NO, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE, THERE ARE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT ARE THE ONES WHO WERE, ARE LETTING PEOPLE IN AND ARE TAKING THE FEES OR WHATEVER, OR THE UNIT CARDS.
DOES IT, IS IT MORE DIFFICULT? THERE? ARE YOU GONNA HAVE MORE CHALLENGES AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE ELSE ON BOARD IN CASE THERE, THERE'S CONFRONTATION OVER IT.
UH, AT THIS POINT, I THINK I, YOU KNOW, WOULD TAKE IT ONE DAY AT A TIME.
I THINK I HAVE ENOUGH STAFF AVAILABLE.
UH, WE DO HAVE NOT AT THE, WE'RE COMING TO THE END OF THE SEASON.
SOME OF THE KIDS ARE GOING BACK TO COLLEGE.
AND IF IT IS, THERE'S LIKE A SHORTAGE OF STAFF, WHETHER IT'S REGISTRATION, PARK ATTENDANTS OR LIFEGUARDS.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE, WE'LL MAKE, UH, CERTAIN SECTIONS CLOSED AND MAKE IT LESS.
I MEAN, SO FAR THIS SUMMER, YOU KNOW, IT'S WORKED OUT VERY WELL.
UH, PEOPLE FOR THE MOST PART HAS BEEN COOPERATIVE.
THE ONE THING I NOTICED THAT, UM, IS THERE'S JUST BEEN LIKE HARDLY ANYONE WEARING A MASK.
AND I KNOW IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLIANCE.
AND THAT'S BEEN EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING FOR ME.
SO I, I THINK BY GOING THIS MESSAGE AT THIS POINT, WE'RE ALL GONNA WEAR A MASK AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE'LL TAKE IT ONE WEEK AT A TIME.
BUT I'M SAYING WHAT PAUL, THE INITIAL, THE ADDITIONAL THING THAT PAUL'S ASKING YOU TO DO AT THIS LATE IN THE SEASON TO SAY, IF YOU KNOW THAT BRINGING GUESS I, I PERSONALLY JUST HAVE A PROBLEM.
IF YOU DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU'D HAVE TO DO IT FOR ALL FACILITIES.
BUT AGREE THAT YOU DON'T KNOW THEY'RE COMING IN.
AND I, I THINK IT, IT WOULD NO, BUT I AGREE.
I'M NOT, IT'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERATION.
I DON'T SEE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOING WHAT HE'S SAYING.
I DON'T SEE THE COUNTY WE'RE TAKING EARLY IS TELLING PEOPLE, IF YOU'RE NOT VACCINATED, YOU'RE COMING.
I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THAT, THAT ROAD.
I THINK THIS IS A, THIS IS A, UH, ANOTHER, UH, PROTECTIVE PRUDENT STEP TO TAKE THAT, THAT, THAT'S BEEN IMPLEMENTED ON THE COUNTY LEVEL.
AND NOW THE TOWN WILL BE DOING IT AND, AND LET'S JUST, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT FROM WEEK TO WEEK TO EVALUATE IT.
I JUST RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT.
YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND YOU REASONABLE PEOPLE COULD DIFFER.
I JUST PERSONALLY FEEL THAT, UH, THERE'S SO MANY MIXED MESSAGES.
AND I, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S GETTING ME AGGRAVATED WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VACCINE, UM, YOU KNOW, REQUIREMENT FOR EMPLOYEES.
BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW WASHINGTON PRESIDENT BIDEN IS DOING.
WE KNOW THE GOVERNOR'S DOING THE STATE'S DOING IT.
WE KNOW, UM, UM, THE NEW ROCHELLE AND, UH, YONKERS IS DOING IT.
DO, DO DOES THE BOARD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, DO THAT.
UM, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I'M WONDERING IF, UH, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WOULD, WOULD SUPPORT.
NOW I JUST GOT AN EMAIL FROM SOMEBODY.
NOW NEW YORK CITY IS REQUIRING PROOF OF VACCINATION FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO EAT INSIDE A RESTAURANT OR TO WORK OUT AT A GYM.
SO, SO NEW YORK CITY IS MOVING, UM, UM, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERYBODY'S STARTING TO MOVE MUCH MORE, YOU KNOW, MORE AGGRESSIVELY.
I'M JUST WONDERING, LET'S KEEP IT SAY NARROW TO JUST THE EMPLOYEES, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, SO WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION? RESTATE YOUR, YOUR
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QUESTION.THE QUESTION IS, UH, COULD WE, WOULD THE BOARD HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS, UM, UM, TO DO WHAT, UH, NEW ROCHELLE, YONKERS, UM, WASHINGTON AND ALBANY'S DOING AND FOLLOW THE SAME, WHICH IS, WHICH IS BASICALLY EVERYBODY HAS TO BE VACCINATED.
ALL THE EMPLOYEES HAVE TO BE VACCINATED, OR THEY HAVE TO BE TESTED WEEKLY.
WHO, WHO PAYS FOR THAT TEST? WEEKLY? UH, YOU KNOW, I ASKED, UH, IS, UM, UA IS MAUA AROUND OR BECAUSE SHE WAS GONNA DO SOME, THERE ARE SOME LEGAL ISSUES INVOLVED DOING THAT.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH OUR TOWN ATTORNEY PRIOR TO US JUST DECIDING THAT ISSUE.
WE SHOULD TAKE IT, WE SHOULD DISCUSS IT, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
AND THEN WE COULD, SO WE'LL DISCOVER A MAJOR HURDLE HERE ALREADY WITH THE MASKS AT THE PARK
SO WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS THE, THE VACCINATION IN EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THEN WELL, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME, WE NEED TO TALK TO TIM ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO.
SHALL WE DO THE INTERVIEW? WELL, I KNOW WE COULD DO IT BECAUSE I GOT AN EMAIL FROM THE GOVERNMENT.
WELL, THERE ARE SOME OTHER, THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT I THINK WE, I, THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS I'D LIKE TO ASK AND I THINK WE NEED SOME ADVICE FROM TIM.
WHAT ELSE? THIS HAS THE INTERVIEWS.
WHY DON'T, IS THERE ANYTHING, RIGHT, LET'S, THAT'S BACK IN THE OPEN SESSION AFTER THAT.
OH, WE STILL HAVE THE, UH, FOIL APPEAL.
AND THEN WHAT ELSE? THAT'S IT.
SOMEBODY, UM, HAD EMAILED ME SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, WE USED TO YEARS AGO DO PUBLIC INTERVIEWS, YOU KNOW, OF, YOU KNOW, FOR ADVISORY BOARDS AND, YOU KNOW, JUST GIVES THE, THE COMMUNITY AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CONTENDERS.
AND USUALLY THEY'RE NOT CONTROVERSIAL AT ALL.
I MEAN, WOULD, WOULD WE WANT TO FOLLOW THAT OR, OR WHATEVER.
AND WHAT IF WE DON'T SELECT THE PERSON YOU'VE JUST
THERE ARE NOT, THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHEN WE HAVEN'T AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE DECIDED TO DO IT THIS WAY AND, AND, UM, WHEN, NOT THAT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TONIGHT.
THAT, THAT IS NOT THE, THAT'S NOT THE POINT.
WE JUST, I THINK IT'S BETTER FOR US TO HAVE A CONVERSATION BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY LEARN ABOUT A BOARD AND MAYBE THEY DECIDE THE PERSON THAT'S COMING MAY DECIDE THAT, THAT THEY CAN'T MEET, THEY CAN'T GO TO THAT BOARD OR WHERE THEY CHOOSE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
AND THEY ARE INTRODUCED ONCE THEY'RE APPOINTED.
I, I CAN SEE AN ARGUMENT EITHER WAY, BUT I THINK YOU PEOPLE MIGHT BE MORE HESITANT TO VOLUNTEER TO BE ON A BOARD IF THEY KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO BE GRILLED IN PUBLIC AND WE MAY NOT ACCEPT THEM AND THEY'VE JUST PUT THEMSELVES OUT THERE.
AND SO PARTICULARLY FOR THESE ADVISORY BOARDS THAT, UM, THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
BUT THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, BUT I, I, I COULD PROBABLY BE SWAYED THE OTHER WAY.
IT'S JUST RIGHT NOW I DON'T THINK SO.
SO WE SHOULD PROBABLY GO INTO THE, WANTS TO KNOW IF WE COULD DISCUSS SOME OF THE YEAH, I, I'M JUST, UM, PUTTING OUT ON THE TABLE A QUESTION.
CAN ANY OF THE OTHER ITEMS BE DISCUSSED BEFORE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION? WELL, WHO'S HERE FOR, SOMEBODY'S HERE FOR THE INTERVIEW AND THAT WAS, WAS NATASHA GIVEN A TIME AND A SPECIFIC TIME TO BE HERE? BEGINNING OF THE MEETING? YEAH.
THEN WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD DO THE INTERVIEW.
SHE WAS GIVEN A, A TIME, BUT THAT HAS NOT BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED.
IT IS, IT'S THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, IT'S THE FIRST ITEM ON, YOU WANNA DO MOTION FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION? YEAH, WE'LL DO MOTION FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION.
AND THEN WE'LL BE BACK SECOND BY SECOND.
IT'S A, IT'S A TO, UH, TO INTERVIEW A CANDIDATE FOR A BOARD.
SO, UH, HOW WOULD THE BOARD LIKE TO PROCEED? I MEAN, UM, ACCORDING IN PROGRESS? YEAH.
AT, AT THIS POINT, MY BATTERY'S PRETTY LOW.
SO MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST, UH, START AND HEAR FROM MR. KIMMEL.
WHY DON'T YOU, WHY DON'T YOU HAND IT OVER HERE? OH, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE YOUR CONNECTION.
NO, I DUNNO IF YOUR NO, YOU, YOU WANT ME TO GO? OKAY.
SO HOW WOULD YOU LIKE MR. KIMMEL TO PROCEED? YES.
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KIND OF, UM, I WANNA KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE WAS A, WAS THERE A REASON WHY, UM, I DIDN'T GET, UH, ANY RESPONSE AT ALL FROM, FROM YOU ON THIS, UH, ON THIS REQUEST.YOU, YOU, UH, YOU, YOU SENT ME A, UM, A REQUEST TODAY TO GET, YOU KNOW, FOUR MORE WEEKS TO RESPOND AND THEN JUST DIDN'T EVEN RESPOND AFTER THAT.
SO I WAS, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE, UH, THE REASON FOR THAT WAS.
WELL, WHEN YOU SAY YOU, ARE YOU, YOU REFERRING TO ME OR THE CLERK'S OFFICE OR THE ASSESSOR? I'M NOT SURE WHO YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
NO, HE IS NOT REFERRING TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
MR. KIMMEL, PLEASE BE SPECIFIC AS TO WHO YOU ARE REFERRING TO WHEN YOU SAY YOU DID NOT RECEIVE A RESPONSE.
I DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSE FROM THE TOWN TO THE FO.
SO YOUR FO WAS TO THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE, CORRECT? IT WAS ADDRESSED TO THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE AND THE, THE, UH, WELL, I, I DIDN'T ADJUST TO ANYBODY, BUT THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE WAS THE ONE THAT REQUESTED ADDITIONAL TIME.
SO IN A FORMAL REQUEST, IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CLERK'S OFFICE TO HELP FACILITATE A RESPONSE, AND THEREFORE WE SEND THE REQUEST TO THE APPROPRIATE OFFICE OF RECORD, MEANING THE OFFICE THAT HAS THE RECORDS THAT YOU ARE SEEKING.
SO IN THIS CASE, IT'S THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE.
SO TO CLARIFY YOUR POINT, YOUR, YOUR QUESTION, YOU ARE ASKING YOUR, ARE YOU, UH, ASKING WHY YOU DID NOT RECEIVE A RESPONSE FROM THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE? IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH.
FIRST THING I WANNA KNOW IS WHY I DIDN'T TAKE ANY RESPONSE AT ALL I CORRECTLY.
SO MAYBE WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT MR. KIMMEL'S REQUEST AND WHETHER WE'RE ABLE TO FULFILL HIS REQUEST.
AND I KNOW YOU HAVE THE REQUEST IN, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU CAN'T, YOU COULDN'T HAVE HAD THIS RESPONSE ALREADY IN PLACE, CORRECT? I MEAN, OKAY, MR. MR. KIMMEL, WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS YOUR, YOUR FOIL REQUESTS.
I JUST WANNA PUT ON THE RECORD WHAT YOUR REQUEST IS AND THE ASSESSOR'S ABOUT TO DO THAT, AND THEN SHE'LL RESPOND.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO READ THE REQUEST INTO THE RECORD.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH, WE HEAR YOU.
I WOULD LIKE TO READ THE RE FOIL REQUEST INTO THE RECORD.
THIS IS FROM MR. JOSEPH KIMMEL.
IT SAYS, PLEASE PROVIDE A DATABASE EXPORT OF ALL DATA THAT TYLER TECHNOLOGIES HAS CONCERNING THE MARK VALUATIONS IN NUTANIX GREENBERG.
THIS INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE IN THE ELECTRONIC DATABASE FORMAT, AS IT IS AVAILABLE ONLINE ON THEIR WEBSITE.
PLEASE INCLUDE ALL TAX YEARS THAT ARE MAINTAINED BY TYLER TECHNOLOGIES.
TYLER TECHNOLOGIES DOES NOT MAINTAIN THE 10 OF GREENBERG DATABASE ONCE THEIR FUNCTION HERE OR CONTRACT IS CONCLUDED.
UM, I'M GOING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION, MR. KIMEL, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CARE WHERE YOU GET THE INFORMATION FROM, ALTHOUGH, ALBEIT SPECIFICALLY YOU STATE YOU WANT THE INFORMATION FROM TYLER TECHNOLOGIES WHO DOES NOT HAVE THAT DATA.
THIS IS THE SAME FOIL REQUEST THAT I HAVE RECEIVED FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS.
EVERY COUPLE MONTHS, UM, IT'S THE SAME VERBIAGE AND EVERY COUPLE MONTHS I RESPOND.
AND WE DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO GENERATE, GENERATE A REPORT FROM WHAT MR. KIMMEL IS REQUESTING.
IN ORDER TO GET MR. KIMMEL THE INFORMATION THAT HE IS REQUESTING, UM, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE AN ACCESS INTERFACE WITH THE ASSESSMENT SOFTWARE THAT IS PROPRIETARY.
I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO GENERATE THAT REPORT.
SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE DENIAL.
SO MR. KIMMEL, THE TOWN BOARD IS, IS GONNA GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND.
IT'S NOT REALLY A DEBATE, BUT THE TOWN BOARD IS GONNA CONSIDER YOUR COMMENTS, AND THEN ULTIMATELY YOU'RE GONNA GET A DECISION.
SO YOU HAVE, UH, A FEW MINUTES, LESS THAN FIVE TO, YOU KNOW, JUST STATE YOUR POINT.
AND IT'S, IT'S NOT A, A QUESTION AND ANSWER TYPE SESSION.
WELL, YEAH, I UNDERSTOOD MR. LEWIS.
AND, AND JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR, UM, I, I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY MS. MCCARTHY WAS UNABLE TO PROVIDE THAT RESPONSE IN WRITING, UH, UNTIL I I, UNTIL THIS, THIS UNTIL NOW THAT
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SHE SAYS IT IN, IN THIS APPEAL, IT'S LUDICROUS THAT YOU, YOU, YOU CAN'T GIVE THE COMMON COURTESY OF RESPONDING.SECOND OF ALL, WHAT SHE SAID IS NOT TRUE.
THAT I DO NOT
THERE WAS ONE REQUEST FOUR YEARS AGO THAT WAS, UH, DELAYED AND ULTIMATELY NOT RE NOT PROVIDED AS IT WAS, AS, AS IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, TAKE THAT WITH WHAT YOU TAKE THAT AS YOU WILL.
BUT SHE IS LYING, UH, AND SHE'S NOT BEING TRUTHFUL IN THAT IN ANY REGARD.
AND IT'S, IT'S INSULTING TO ME.
IT'S INSULTING TO THE TOWN THAT SHE'S, SHE'S ALLOWED TO DO THIS, UM, AND WITHOUT ANY SORT OF, UH, UH, RECOURSE TO, UH, TO HER TO, TO, TO FRANKLY LYING
BUT MR. KIMMEL, CAN YOU FOCUS ON THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING AND, AND WHY YOU, YOU THINK THEY EXIST, NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT THE ASSESSOR IS DENYING YOU? SO THE FACT IS THAT THEY DO EXIST.
AND AS WE, AS YOU SAW IN ONE OF THE PDFS I SENT YOU, THE THE DATABASE DOES HAVE AN O D B C CONNECTION, WHICH IT CAN EASILY BE USED TO SAY, EXPORT ALL INTO A ACCESS DATABASE.
MS. MCCARTHY MAY NOT HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO DO THAT, BUT YOUR M I S DEPARTMENT CERTAINLY DOES.
SO I SUGGEST THAT YOU REFER THIS OIL REQUEST TO THE, THAT, UH, DEPARTMENT IS, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO, UH, EXTRACT THAT, UH, DATA.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE WITH RESPECT TO THE RECORDS THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING? UH, YEAH.
I MEAN, TYLER AND I DON'T KNOW.
I, I, UH, HONESTLY, I'M NOT SURE THAT, UH, UH, MS. MCCARTHY IS BEING TRUTHFUL IN, IN SAYING THAT TYLER TECHNOLOGY DOESN'T HAVE THIS, THIS, THESE, THESE DATA.
UH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SHE IS A RECORD OF, UH, UH, OF LYING.
BUT, UH, THE FACT IS HOW TECHNOLOGIES HAS A WEBSITE WITH THIS INFORMATION ON IT.
UM, SO IF THEY DON'T MAINTAIN IT, UH, THEN THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF, UH, EITHER THEY, THEY, THEY'RE, I I, IT, IT'S, IT'S, UH, KIND OF
MAY I EXPLAIN SOMETHING FIRST? THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 30,000 PARCELS IN THE TOWN OF GREENBERG.
EACH PARCEL HAS INVENTORY, OWNERSHIP INFORMATION, SALES INFORMATION, AND LAND SIZE INFORMATION.
AND ALSO, UM, ASSESS VALUES AND EXEMPTIONS I HAVE OFFERED IN THE PAST TO GIVE MR. KIMMEL AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO FOILS A REQUEST, 30,000 PROPERTY CARDS WITH THAT INFOR UH, INVENTORY IN THAT FORMAT THAT WE HAVE, I DON'T HAVE THE CAPABILITIES OF GENERATING A REPORT OF, OF EVERYTHING IN ONE NICE PACKAGE.
I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO BRING MR. KIMMEL.
CAN I, NO, MR. KIMMEL, I'M SPEAKING NOW.
UH, MR. KIMMEL, LET, LET, MR. FINISH, YOU TOLD ME I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME, AND YOU'RE WASTING TIME BY, BY BLATHERING ON ABOUT NONSENSE.
SO IF YOU, THAT'S CALLED FOR, THAT'S UNCALLED FOR, AND YOU, AND IT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
CAN YOU FINISH YOUR STATEMENT? YOU NEED BE TOLERATED.
YOU, YOU WILL NOT BE, THAT TYPE OF LANGUAGE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
SO WE'RE JUST GONNA LET MR. MCCARTHY FINISH AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE YOUR OPPORTUNITY.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, EITHER THAT IS THE ONLY COMPROMISE THAT I CAN THINK OF TO GIVE MR. KIMMEL THE INFORMATION THAT HE IS LOOKING FOR.
HE'S WILLING, HE'S MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME IN, LOOK AT THE COMPUTER, LOOK AT THE ASSESSMENT RULES, WHATEVER HE NEEDS.
I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO GENERATE THE REPORT THAT HE IS REQUESTING.
SO, MR. KIMMEL, I KNOW YOU MAY DISAGREE WITH THAT, BUT IT'S FOR THE TOWN BOARD TO DECIDE.
IS THERE ANY INFORMATION, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT BOARD MEMBERS NEED? DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION TO MAKE A DECISION? YEAH, I WOULD PLEASE ASK FOR THE BOARD REQUEST.
UH, YOUR, UH, IN MY DEPARTMENT OR, YOU KNOW,
A REPORT WAS GENERATED FROM THIS DATABASE, UM, UH, TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO, WHICH JUST WAS INCOMPLETE.
MS. MCCARTHY IS, UH, INCOMPETENT IN THIS.
DO NOT, DO NOT, NOT YOU, YOU, THIS WILL END RIGHT NOW IF YOU CONTINUE TO MALIGN TOWN STAFF MALIGN.
I, I'M JUST STATING A FACT THAT SHE DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO DO THIS.
SO THANK YOU MR. KIMMEL, AND, AND WE'LL BE IN TOUCH.
THE TOWN BOARD WILL CONSIDER YOUR STATEMENT AND THE STATEMENTS OF MS. MCCARTHY AND WE'LL ISSUE A WRITTEN DECISION.
I APOLOGIZE IF YOU THINK THIS HANG FORMAL, IT WAS NOT WAY.
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RIGHT.ALRIGHT, SO, MR. KIMO, SO WE HAVE ENOUGH, WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION AND WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU.
SO HIS, HIS FOR, HE HAS FIVE MINUTES.
OKAY? WHY DON'T WE JUST SAY THAT IF HE WANTS TO SUBMIT ANYTHING IN WRITING, HE CAN SUBMIT ANYTHING IN WRITING.
UM, AND HE HAS SEVEN DAYS TO SUBMIT SOMETHING IN WRITING BECAUSE, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA TOLERATE ANY PERSONAL ACCUSATIONS OR INSULTS BECAUSE THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE.
SO, MR. MR. KIMMEL, I, I DON'T WANT TO HANG UP ON YOU, BUT, BUT WE, WE UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION AND WE'RE GONNA HANG UP AND WE'LL BE IN TOUCH.
NO, BUT CAN I JUST, MAY, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, PROVIDE HIM WITH, UH, SEVEN DAYS TO SUBMIT ANY, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY, UH, INFORMATION THAT WILL, WOULD HELP US MAKE A DECISION.
BECAUSE I FEEL THAT THE STATE LAW SAYS THAT, UH, PEOPLE ARE ENTITLED TO A HEARING AND I FAIL TO PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE HEARING SINCE WE'RE NOT ALLOWING HIM TO CONTINUE SPEAKING BECAUSE HE WAS MAKING RESULTS.
NO, BUT I'M SAYING NO, BUT I'M SAYING, I'M SAYING WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE A HEARING, BASICALLY PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO, UM, ON THE MERITS MM-HMM.
IF HE HAS ANYTHING THAT HE FEELS WOULD HELP HIS CASE BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION, I FEEL THAT WE SHOULD GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT SOMETHING IN WRITING.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE SENDING A MESSAGE TO ANYONE IN THE FUTURE THAT IF THEY START INSULTING, UH, TOWN STAFF OR THEY MAKE PERSONAL ATTACKS MM-HMM.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE GOING TO HANG UP ON THEM.
SO IS THERE A SECOND TO PAUL'S MOTION TO ALLOW MR. KIMBALL SEVEN DAYS TO SUBMIT SOMETHING IN WRITING? BECAUSE THEN, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, THE STATE LAW SAYS WE HAVE TO HAVE A HEARING.
WELL, THE STATE LAW DOES NOT SAY THAT, BUT IT'S THE TOWN'S POLICY TO DO THAT.
THE STATE LAW DOES NOT SAY THAT POLICY.
IS THERE HEARING, THIS IS THE HEARING.
IS THERE A SECOND? IS IT THIS A HEARING? ALL RIGHT.
BUT HE HAS, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE UNDERSTAND EITHER THE STATE LAW SAID THAT THERE HAS TO BE A HEARING.
NO, THAT'S THE TOWN'S POLICY, BUT THAT'S NOT THE, THE LAW, THE LAW DOES NOT STATE THAT.
OKAY, MR. KIMMEL, WE'LL BE IN TOUCH.
SO, MR. LEWIS, CAN YOU JUST PLEASE WHEN YOU'RE IN TOUCH, SUMMARIZE EVERYTHING THAT YEAH, I WILL.
SUPER FINE SAID, BECAUSE I, I, I COULDN'T FOLLOW EVERYTHING.
I'LL DEFINITELY DO THAT AND I'LL DEFINITELY BE IN TOUCH BY EMAIL.
YOU GET AN EMAIL FROM ME TOMORROW.
AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
SO, SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, PAUL, AS TO WHAT THE STATE SAYS WITH REGARDS TO FOIL, WHEN SOMEONE SUBMITS AN APPEAL, THEIR APPEAL MUST BE QUOTE UNQUOTE HEARD.
AND THE GOVERNING BODY MUST RESPOND WITHIN 10 BUSINESS DAYS.
NOW HEARD COULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING LIKE THIS OR HEARING AN APPEAL COULD BE ASSIGNING, UM, A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BOARD TO REVIEW THE APPEAL AND MAKE A, A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD.
SO THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT WAYS IN WHICH AN APPEAL MAY BE HEARD.
THE LAW DOES NOT SAY THAT THERE MUST BE A PUBLIC HEARING LIKE THIS, BUT IT DOES SAY THAT THE APPEAL MUST BE HEARD.
SO IN HIS FOIL REQUEST, HE STATED THAT HE WANTED THE INFORMATION ON TYLER'S WEBSITE.
AND AFTER GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH HIM SEVERAL TIMES, HE SENT ME A LINK TO TYLER'S WEBSITE, WHICH PURPORTEDLY HAS THE INFORMATION THAT HE IS LOOKING FOR.
AND SO I WENT TO THAT LINK AND I PUT IN TOWN HALL'S ADDRESS.
AND WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR APPARENTLY IS THE PARCEL ID, THE ACCOUNT NUMBER, THE PROPERTY LOCATION, THE PROPERTY CLASS, LIVING UNITS, UH, LAND AREA, ZONING DISTRICT, NEIGHBORHOOD CODE, WHO, UH, WHO THE OWNER IS AND WHAT TYPE OF SEWER, WATER, OR UTILITIES THERE ARE.
I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO HIM BECAUSE ALL OF WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED IS IN THE, UM, ON THE TOWN'S ASSESSMENT RULES.
HE WANTS THE ENTIRE DATABASE FROM WHAT IT SAYS IN HIS FOIA REQUEST.
SO, AND THAT IS NOT TYLER TECHNOLOGY'S WEBSITE.
THAT IS THE TOWN OF GREENBERG'S.
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AND IT, IT ALSO SEEMS TO SHOW, YOU KNOW, SOME PERMITS THAT WERE TAKEN OUT ON THE PROPERTY THAT IT, SO NO ONE'S, NO, NO ONE'S SAYING HE CAN'T HAVE THE INFORMATION, HE JUST CAN'T HAVE THE INFORMATION IN THE FORM THAT HE WANTS IT IN.SO HE'S GOTTA MAKE AN ACCOMMODATION TO GET THE INFORMATION THAT HE WANTS.
I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO WORK WITH HIM WITH REGARD TO THATOR IS MORE THAN HAPPY TO WORK WITH HIM TO GET THE INFORMATION THAT HE WANTS.
IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF HIM NOT BEING ABLE TO GET THE INFORMATION.
IT'S A QUESTION OF HIM NOT BEING ABLE TO GET THE INFORMATION IN AN EXCEL CHART.
HE'S, HE'S NOT ARTICULATING EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTS IN HIS FOIL REQUEST.
SO MAYBE THAT'S THE TIED DATABASE OF 50 PARCELS.
30,000 DON'T MAKE ME ANY BIGGER THAN WE ARE.
BUT WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR IS, I'M SURE IS MORE THAN WHAT'S ON THIS LINK THAT HE SENT ME.
UH, BECAUSE I REMEMBER FROM THE PAST HE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THEIR ALGORITHMS WERE MM-HMM.
AND HE IS, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IS FOIL TALKS ABOUT THE INFORMATION FROM TYLER MM-HMM.
AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THERE'S A PROBLEM.
HE'S REQUESTING THE ENTIRE DATABASE.
HE HAS REQUESTED IN THE PAST, UM, THE LIBRARY OF CODES.
AND WHEN THE INFORMATION WAS GIVEN TO HIM ORIGINALLY THAT WAS, AND IT WAS TOLD TO HIM VERBALLY AND VIA EMAILS MULTIPLE, THAT HE WASN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND IT 'CAUSE IT WAS ALL CODE AND HE WANTED THEM ANYWAY.
HE WAS, UM, WE HAD GIVEN HIM WHAT HE HAD REQUESTED AND HE WAS FRUSTRATED BECAUSE HE COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THEM OR HE COULDN'T, UH, INTERPRET THEM.
SO I SHOULD PROBABLY NOT SAY THAT 'CAUSE I'D BE SPEAKING FOR HIM.
SO I'LL TAKE THAT COMMENT BACK.
SO HE'S ASKING FOR A DATABASE EXPORT OF ALL DATA THAT TYLER TECHNOLOGY HAS.
DO WE HAVE A DATABASE EXPORT OF THAT DATA OR DO WE NOT HAVE THAT DO? WELL, A MORE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION IS DO WE HAVE ALL THE DATA THAT TYLER HAS? YEAH.
'CAUSE THEY PROBABLY HAVE MORE DATA THAN WE HAVE BECAUSE WE PROBABLY HAVE THE END RESULT OF, WELL, THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE OF THE CALCULATIONS AS OPPOSED TO WHAT THEIR ALGORITHM ALGORITHMS ARE IN ORDER TO PRODUCE THEIR VALUATIONS AND ALSO THE LIBRARY, WHICH THEY SAY IS PROPRIETARY.
SO I SENT YOU ALL AN EMAIL TODAY, I BELIEVE, AND TYLER IS INDICATING WHAT THEY DO NOT HAVE.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT.
SO THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDING.
THEY DO NOT HAVE THE INFORMATION HE IS ASKING FOR.
HOWEVER, SO TYLER NOT HAVE THE INFORMATION, HOWEVER EDIE DOES.
BUT THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION THAT'S MISSING FROM THAT EMAIL IS WHAT DO THEY THINK HE WANTS
HE WHAT MR. KIMMEL, HE'S SAYING WE HAVE THE DATA.
THEY'RE SAYING THEY DON'T HAVE NO TYLER.
TYLER SAID HE IS REQUESTING OUR ENTIRE DATABASE.
THE ONLY WAY TO GET MR. KIMMEL OUR ENTIRE DATABASE, UM, IS THROUGH AN INTER INTER INTERFACE ACCESS.
IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, YOU CAN DO THAT.
BUT IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, YOU NEED THE, THE ASSESSMENT SOFTWARE THAT WE HAVE AND IT IS PROPRIETARY FROM TYLER TECHNOLOGIES.
AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE FOR THE DENIAL.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T PROVIDE IT IN THE FORM THAT HE WANTS IT, BUT YOU COULD PROVIDE IT IN ANOTHER FORM? OR ARE YOU SAYING ARE WE DENYING IT BECAUSE HE'S REQUESTING IT IN A CERTAIN FORM THAT WE NEED THE SOFTWARE FOR? I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR IN TERMS OF HOW I'M RESPONDING TO HIM OR HOW THE BOARD'S GONNA RESPOND.
BECAUSE YOU'VE SAID THAT THERE'S A WAY FOR YOU TO WORK WITH HIM, BUT MAYBE NOT THE WAY HE WANTS YOU TO WORK WITH HIM.
WELL, HE'S WELCOME TO GET A COPY OF 30,000 PROPERTY CARDS.
AND I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WOULD BE, WELL THAT'S NOT A DATABASE EXPORT.
NO, IT IS NOT A DATABASE EXPORT.
SO THEN WE CANNOT PROVIDE HIM WITH THE INFORMATION THAT HE WANTS IN THE FORM THAT HE WANTS IN THE FORM THAT HE WANTS IT, CORRECT? CORRECT.
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OR THE FORM THAT HE'S ASKING FOR, RIGHT? CORRECT.SHOULD WE NOW DO, UH, D UH, MEET WITH DEEPAK? I COULD DO THAT.
I DON'T HAVE THE AGENDA, BUT I KNOW HE WAS ON ZOOM.
WHAT ELSE IS ON THE AGENDA ASSIGNMENT? JOHN, DO YOU KNOW WHAT? WHERE'S JOHN ASSIGNMENT? SHE GOT KNOCKED OFF.
WE HAVE THE BEFORE WAS ON THE ACRES CIVIL ASSOCIATION SIGNAGE.
PAUL FII, DID YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT? IS HE'S, WE HAVE THE, YOU WANT ME TO READ WHAT WE HAVE LEFT OR? YES, PLEASE.
YOU, WE HAVE LEFT AND THEN WE HAVE THE, UM, DEEPAK TO TALK ABOUT S C A, WHICH IS OUR TAX MEMBER.
WE HAVE THE LAW SIGNS FOR THE TEXT REMINDERS AND WE HAVE THE COVID 19 VACCINATION REQUIREMENT TO TELL ALL TOWN EMPLOYEES.
AND THEN WE HAVE EXECUTIVE SESSIONS.
WHY DON'T WE HAVE DEX AS HE WAS WAITING THOUGH.
IS HE STILL THERE? WELL, LET'S SEE IF IT WORKS ANY BETTER.
DEEPAK, ARE YOU THERE? I'M HERE ALL THREE.
SO THE SYSTEM WAS WORKING, I GUESS IT WAS MR. KIMMEL'S CONNECTION.
CAN YOU HEAR US? IS HE UP ON THE SCREEN? YES.
CAN YOU HEAR US DEEPAK? YEAH, I CAN HEAR, HEAR HIM? YEP.
SO WE BASICALLY, YEAH, UM, WE WERE TALKING, UH, AND I SPOKE TO DEEPAK, YOU KNOW, EARLIER, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PEOPLE WHO ARE UPSET, UH, WITH THE VENDOR THAT THEY DIDN'T GET THE BILLS AND THEY, AFTER, UM, OUR MEETING LAST WEEK, SOME PEOPLE SAID WE SHOULD GO AFTER THE VENDOR.
AND UM, AND YOU KNOW, SINCE WE PAID THEM FOR, AND THEY DIDN'T DO THE JOB, UM, PEOPLE DIDN'T GET THE BILLS AND THAT'S WHY WE PAID THEM THE SERVICE, MAYBE YOU COULD JUST EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED, UM, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU RE WHAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND.
AND ALSO YOU MENTIONED TO ME THAT THERE'S A TRANSITION TO ANOTHER COMPANY, WELL, NOT ONLY THAT, BUT WHAT DOES THE CONTRACT SAY? CONTRACT IS CLEAR THAT CONTRACT TO TEAM, AND I THINK TEAM FORWARDED TO ALL OF YOU.
THE CONTRACT IS SAYING LIKE, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT RELIABLE, YOU KNOW, FOR ANYTHING, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
SO NOW THE QUESTION IS, UH, YOU KNOW, IS THAT SORT OF LIKE A STANDARD CONTRACT FOR THAT INDUSTRY OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD CHANGE, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD AND THE CONTRACT GOES ON FOR A NUMBER OF MORE YEARS.
UH, WELL PAUL, AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS SOFTWARE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, ASSESSOR OFFICE ALREADY HAS THIS TYLER SOFTWARE.
EVENTUALLY WE'RE GONNA BE USING THAT SOFTWARE TO CALCULATE THE TAX BILLS AND EVERYTHING IN THE FUTURE, BUT THIS IS JUST FOR TEMP BECAUSE, UH, THEY DON'T HAVE THE FEATURE AVAILABLE YET.
THAT'S WHY THEY, THEY STILL USING THIS S C A FOR THE CALCULATE THE TAX BILLS.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WE'RE CURRENTLY USING TWO PIECES OF SOFTWARE THAT TALK TO EACH OTHER, BUT APPARENTLY NOT TYPICALLY.
AND SO YOU USE LIKE IN A PASSIVE THAT BE TRANSIT TRANSITION TO CALCULATE THE TAX SOFTWARE THAT DOES BOTH WITHOUT HAVING TO DEAL WITH, UH, TWO PIECES OF SOFTWARE? WELL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THERE'S A SEPTEMBER BILL, A JANUARY BILL, AN APRIL BILL.
YOU, UH, WE AT RISK OF THE SAME THING HAPPENING AGAIN.
WELL, I SPOKE TO VENDOR ABOUT THAT AND THEN HE WILL GONNA WORK WITH MY STAFF.
LIKE ONCE WE WORK ON THE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, START WORKING ON THE TAX BILLS, WE ARE GONNA BE DOING, LIKE IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS WE'RE GONNA WORK ON THE SCHOOL TAX BILLS.
THEY'RE GONNA WORK WITH US AND THEN AS SOON AS WE GET THE BANK FILE FROM THE BANK, THEY'RE GONNA HELP US IN COURT.
AND, UH, ONE OF MY STOP GONNA WORK WITH THEM, THEY'LL CLOSE IF WE CHECK EVERYTHING, UH, LIKE, YOU KNOW, PROPERLY OR LIKE, YOU KNOW, IMPORTED AND EVERYTHING.
SO WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO LIKE CHECK EVERYTHING.
UM, WE SEND THE OUT THIS TIME.
UH, YOU MENTIONED TO ME THAT YOU SPOKE TO THEM EVEN THOUGH THE CONTRACT SAYS THAT THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE.
UH, AND THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD MAKE, UH, LIKE A MINOR, UH, REFUND.
SO AS PROPOSED REQUEST, I CALLED THE VENDOR SS C A ABOUT REFUNDING.
THE SOFTWARE METER FEE PAID LIKE $7,500.
THEY WILL GIVE US 7% CREDIT ON OUR NEXT, UH, NEXT YEAR MAINTENANCE CHARGES.
SO, AND TIM, LEGALLY, I GUESS THERE'S NOTHING WE COULD DO, RIGHT? NO.
IN PARAGRAPH SIX OF THE AGREEMENT IS, UM, AN EXCLUSION FROM ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY ERRORS THAT MAY OCCUR WITH THE
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SOFTWARE.AND, AND DEEPAK AGAIN, CAN YOU JUST IDENTIFY WHAT HAPPENED? JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW IF, YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECT TO THE SOFTWARE? UH, UH, DUE TO THE, LIKE AS I EXPLAINED LIKE TWO WEEKS AGO, DUE TO THE SOFTWARE GLITS ABOUT 1400 PROPERTY OWNERS, THE BANK CODE THEY GOT LIKE WITH THE, BECAUSE OF THE BANK CODE IMPORT ERROR, LIKE GOT THE WRONG BANK CODE ON THEIR FILE.
AND WHEN WE PRINT THE BILLS, WE DON'T PRINT THE BILLS WITH THE BANK CODE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T PRINT THOSE 1400 BILLS.
THAT'S WHY THEY NEVER RECEIVED IT.
BUT LATER ON, UH, SOFTWARE I CALLED THE VENDOR AND THEY FIXED IT.
AND, UH, THE BANK, ALL THE BANK GOT THE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FILE AND THEY, THEY PAID THE BILLS.
SO THE ERROR RELATED TO THE BANK CODE AND THE SOFTWARE, RIGHT.
SO, SO THERE'S A BOX ON THE BILL AND IF YOU HAVE A MORTGAGE, A BANK CODE GOES IN THAT BOX.
ONCE THERE'S A BANK CODE IN THAT BOX, THAT BILL DOESN'T GET PRINTED BECAUSE IT GETS DEALT WITH ELECTRONICALLY WITH THE BANKS.
SO THE GLITCH WAS THAT WHERE THERE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A BANK CODE, THERE WAS A BANK CODE PUT INTO THAT BOX.
SO THE PEOPLE DIDN'T GET THE BILL BECAUSE IT WENT ELECTRONICALLY TO THE BANK.
AND DO WE KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED? WAS THAT JUST RANDOM WITH THE SOFTWARE OR DID SOMEONE MISTAKENLY PUT A BANK CODE IN THE BOX? NO, I SPOKE TO VENDOR AND THE, THEY EXPLAINED TO ME, THEY SAID THAT THERE WAS A PROBLEM ON THE SOFTWARE AND THEN LIKE A, LIKE INDEXING ERROR OR SOMETHING.
SO LIKE, INSTEAD OF LIKE, LET'S SEE, UPDATING THE RIGHT PROPERTY, IT WENT TO THE WRONG PROPERTY AND THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID THEY'RE GONNA DO.
LIKE NEXT TIME WHEN WE DO IT, THEY'RE GONNA REINDEX IT AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS CLEAN AND EVERYTHING.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY EXPLAINED TO ME, SO.
DO WE KNOW WHEN WE'LL NO LONGER BE USING THAT SOFTWARE BECAUSE WE'LL BE USING TYLER'S SOFTWARE? DO WE KNOW HOW LONG THAT'S GONNA TAKE? UH, THAT, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT TIME THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THAT FEATURE, BUT EVENTUALLY THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THAT FEATURE AVAILABLE.
SO I'LL BE, THEY'LL BE DOING EVERYTHING ON THE, UH, TILE SIDE, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE TIME ON THAT.
LIKE WHEN THEY, YOU READY? YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE TO USE A TYLER? BECAUSE YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WERE SAYING, YOU KNOW, DURING THIS WHOLE REASSESSMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO CONSTANTLY, YOU KNOW, WE GET CRITICIZED IF THERE'S NO BID, YOU KNOW, CONTRACT.
SO I'M JUST SAYING, UM, IS THERE A WAY OF PROVING THE BID THEY DON'T WORK? WHY WOULD WE PAY SOMEBODY ELSE TO DO IT AGAIN? UM, I'M JUST ASKING, YOU KNOW, IF, UH, IF THERE'S ANOTHER MAINTENANCE.
NO, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BECAUSE IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT MAKES SENSE TO BE STAYED WITH TYLER? I'M NOT SAYING THAT TYLER TYLER SHOULDN'T DO IT, I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WERE SAYING CRITICAL OF US FOR AWARDING, YOU KNOW, NO BID, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTS AND, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANYONE IN ADDITION TO TYLER WHO WOULD BE ABLE TO BID ON, UM, YOU KNOW, ON THIS.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT DEEPAK IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, BIDDING OR, OR SEEKING OTHER SERVICES, NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT TYLER HAS WORKED ON IT AT THIS POINT? NO, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO, LIKE, IN MY MY OPINION, I THINK IT, UH, MAKES SENSE TO STAY WITH TYLER BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL THE DATA AND EVERYTHING IN OUR ASSESSMENT SIDE.
SO WHEN WE DO THE TAX BILLS LIKE CALCULATION, WE NEED ALL THE INFORMATION AND UH, IT MAKES SENSE TO JUST TO DO IT FROM THE TYLER, YOU KNOW, OTHERWISE WE'LL BE LIKE ADDING ANOTHER INTERFACE BETWEEN AND THEN THIS PROBLEM CAN HAPPEN AGAIN.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, SO COULD HAPPEN AGAIN.
RIGHT? IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT WHAT WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING AT IS TRYING TO GET SOFTWARE, ALL OUR SOFTWARE TO TALK TO THE SOFTWARE WE HAVE NOW AS OPPOSED TO DOING, YOU KNOW, THIS EXPORTING AND THEN IMPORTING IT INTO ANOTHER PROGRAM, WHICH IS SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT HAPPENED HERE.
UH, I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT S E A, WHICH IS, HAS BEEN BASICALLY CRUCIFIED DURING THIS PROCESS.
THEY'RE THE ONES THAT OVER ABOUT A WEEK, INCLUDING CHRISTMAS, WHEN WE HAD THE PREPAYMENT OF TAXES, IF YOU REMEMBER, UH, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT REWROTE THE SOFTWARE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN BECAUSE THE LAW IS THAT YOU CAN'T PREPAY YOUR TAXES.
YOU CAN'T PAY, MAKE A PARTIAL PAYMENT OF TAXES.
ONCE THE GOVERNOR ISSUED THAT, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS ON CHRISTMAS EVE, UH, AND WE WERE ALL IN HERE, UH, CHRISTMAS, CHRISTMAS DAY AND, AND, UM, LEADING UP TO JANUARY 1ST, THEY, THEY TURNED AROUND THAT SOFTWARE.
AND AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WE COULD TELL NOT ONE PERSON SAID THAT THERE WAS ANY KIND OF A GLITCH IN THAT SOFTWARE.
UH, THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR SIX YEARS AND YES, THIS WAS A TERRIBLE INCONVENIENCE AND, AND COSTLY FOR PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THEY
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NEEDED TO PAY A BILL IN APRIL.UH, UH, BUT IT, IT'S A VERY REPUTABLE COMPANY.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT OUR WEBSITE FOR THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION THAT IS ON OUR WEBSITE ABOUT OUR TAXES, SO YOU OWN A PROPERTY, GO TO OUR WEBSITE, GO TO DEPARTMENTS, GO TO TAX DEPARTMENT, GO TO TAX, UH, TAX STATUS I BELIEVE IS STATUS IS THE WAY IT'S, UM, AND YOU'LL FIND OUT MORE ABOUT YOUR, YOUR PROPERTY AND YOUR TAXES GOING BACK TO 2012 AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS EVER A LIEN THAT WAS PLACED ON YOUR PROPERTY, UM, THAT YOU MAY NOT MAYBE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT.
UH, AND YOU CAN SEE IT ALL UP THERE.
YOU CAN FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT EVERY DOLLAR WENT TO.
DID IT GO TO THE TOWN? DID IT GO TO THE COUNTY? UH, DID IT GO FOR SEWER? DID IT GO FOR FIRE? UH, ITEMIZED IN EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS THAT YOU LIVE IN.
AND UH, AND SO, UM, WE URGE YOU TO ACTUALLY GO AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND THEN IF YOU'RE SO INCLINED, PAY YOUR BILL ONLINE AS WELL.
AND UH, I THINK IT'S FOUR CLICKS AND YOU, YOU CAN HAVE A BILL PAID ANYTHING ELSE.
I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, JUST BE CRITICAL OF THE COMPANY'S REPUTATION.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, I FEEL FROM A, FROM A CONSUMER STANDPOINT, THERE'S A BUNCH OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING FIVE A THOUSAND DOLLARS IN PENALTY.
AND I FEEL THAT IF WE SAY, OH, THIS IS A GREAT COMPANY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE THRILLED WITH A RESPONSE.
YOU KNOW, THEY EXPECT US TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE PAID FIRST SERVICE, WHICH WE DIDN'T GET, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T GET, EVEN IF THEY TRIED, THE, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THEY DID NOT, IN THIS CASE, THEY DID NOT DO EVERYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD EXPECTED WHEN WE HIRE PROFESSIONALS.
HOW LONG, HOW LONG HAVE WE BEEN WORKING WITH THIS COMPANY? THEY'VE BEEN ABOUT SIX YEARS.
UH, THE PAST SIDE ASSESSMENT SIDE.
AND IS THIS THE ONLY TIME THAT THERE WAS A GLITCH? YEAH, BECAUSE I'M, UH, LIKE, YOU KNOW, IS THIS LIKE I'M DOING THE BILLS FROM LAST 30 YEARS, LIKE ALL BEFORE WE HAD ON THE S HUNDRED EVERYTHING, BUT WE NEVER HAD THE PROBLEM.
SO WE, SO THEY WILL GIVE US A $500 CREDIT.
THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US THE CREDIT.
OF COURSE THAT DOESN'T HELP THE PEOPLE THAT HAD TO PAY THE LATE PENALTY, BUT IT'S AT LEAST THEY'RE ACKNOWLEDGING, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY, UH, WELL THEY ACKNOWLEDGED IT RIGHT AWAY AND THAT'S WHY THEY, THEY SAW IT OUT AND THEY FIXED, THEY FIXED THE PROBLEM.
ARE WE PUTTING SOMETHING ON OUR WEBSITE THAT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT WHEN THEIR MORTGAGE IS PAID OFF, THAT THEY, THEY NEED TO BE LOOKING FOR A TAX BILL? 'CAUSE SOMETIMES THEY DO GO, WELL, NO, NO, NO, THEY DO GO TO THE BANK.
THEY SHOULDN'T BE LOOKING FOR A TAX BILL BECAUSE AS WE'VE, AS WE'VE LEARNED THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENTS OR FINDING WHAT THEIR TAX PAYMENT IS.
THEY SHOULD FIND OUT WHAT THEIR TAXES ARE ONLINE ON OUR WEBSITE BECAUSE LOOKING FOR A TAX BILL IS NOT A REQUIREMENT.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR THEIR TAX BILL.
AND WE ALSO HIGHLIGHTED THE DATES WHEN THE TAXES ARE DUE, AND WE'RE GONNA DO SIGNS.
JUST SUGGESTED SEPTEMBER, JANUARY.
AND SHOULD WE, UH, SEE IF WE COULD SPEAK TO THE CHIEF AND JUST ASK HIM, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD GET HIM ON? I THOUGHT YOU ASKED HIM ALREADY.
I THOUGHT WE ALREADY DID THAT.
DID HE SAID HE WOULD, THAT THEY WOULD DO IT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THOUGH, THE SIGNS IT'S BEING ORDERED.
UH, I'LL, I'LL FOLLOW WHEN I WELL YOU WILL.
YEAH, I'LL FOLLOW HIM TOMORROW.
YOU KNOW, YOU ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS YEAH.
WITH THE VILLAGES AND ALL THAT BECAUSE RECEIVER AND NOT ENSURING THAT THAT'S ON THE WEBSITE.
BECAUSE, SO WE'RE FINE WITH ALL THE WORDING THAT WE AGREED ON.
WE AGREED ON IT, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
SO, UH, BUT I DO, I THINK, I DO THINK IT SHOULD HAVE OUR BUG ON IT.
WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S JUST GONNA BE LIKE A LAWN SIGN.
WELL, THAT THIS IS GONNA BASICALLY RES MAKE IT EASIER BECAUSE IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE THEM AT KEY LOCATIONS, YOU KNOW, NOBODY, IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO HAVE AN EXCUSE.
UH, THE VA SO THE VACCINE REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL TOWN EMPLOYEES THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO, WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH TIM, EXECUTIVE SESSION MILAGROS, UH, AND WE COULD DO THAT NOW.
AND LET'S SEE, D THE MAYFAIR NORWOOD, UM, WE, HE, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T REACH OUT TO HIM.
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I THINK THE BOARD SAID THAT WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR THE RIGHT, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S STILL ON THE AGENDA.WE, WE PAY FOR A CIVIC ASSOCIATION SIGN.
WHAT CIVIC ASSOCIATION SIGNS? DO YOU WANNA MENTION AVALON OR YOU WANT OH, YEAH, YOU COULD, YOU WANNA DISCUSS THE AVALON? OKAY.
SO, UM, AVALON GREEN, WHICH, UH, IS A DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT MANY OF YOU'RE AWARE OF.
WHEN I THINK ONE OF THE PHASES WAS, UH, APPROVED, IT WAS APPROVED WITH A CONDITION THAT THERE'D BE A SHUTTLE, I BELIEVE, TO THE TARRYTOWN TRAIN STATION.
AND, UM, THAT'S AT A COST OF ABOUT, I WOULD SAY $60,000 A MONTH I BELIEVE, OR THEREABOUTS.
AND ULTIMATELY, EVEN PRIOR TO THE TOWN, UH, THE PANDEMIC, UM, MANAGEMENT RECOGNIZED THAT THERE WEREN'T A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WERE UTILIZING THE SHUTTLE SERVICE.
AND PARTICULARLY DURING THE PANDEMIC, WHEN MOST PEOPLE WERE, UM, WORKING FROM HOME OR NOT COMMUTING TO NEW YORK CITY, THERE REALLY WASN'T A LOT OF RIDERSHIP.
SO, UM, AND AT ONE OF THE TOWN BOARD MEETINGS THAT YOU MAY RECALL, THERE WAS A REPRESENTATIVE WHO REQUESTED THAT THE TOWN BOARD CONSIDER REMOVING THAT, UM, CONDITION.
AND, UM, AT THE TIME WE WANTED MORE INFORMATION THE TOWN BOARD DID.
SO THEY'RE MAKING THAT REQUEST AGAIN.
AND INTERESTINGLY, THAT REQUEST WAS ACTUALLY MADE BY THE EAST IRVINGTON, UM, CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
IT WASN'T REALLY MADE BY AVALON.
AND THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION IS REQUESTING THAT THAT CONDITION BE REMOVED.
UM, AFTER SPEAKING TO AVALON, IN EXCHANGE FOR, IN EXCHANGE FOR, UM, A DONATION OF $120,000 THAT WOULD GO TO THE TOWN FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING ADDITIONAL PARKING AT TAX RIDGE, UM, PARK, BECAUSE THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION RECOGNIZES THAT ALTHOUGH THERE'S AN ACCESS WAY TO THE PARK, THERE REALLY ISN'T PARKING THERE.
AND THEY FEEL THAT THAT MONEY WOULD BE BETTER USED TO CREATE A PARKING SPACE.
SO THAT'S REALLY, UH, THE REQUEST THAT AVALON IS MAKING AND ASKING THE BOARD TO CONSIDER.
AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE THE TOWN BOARD TO AMEND, UM, THE APPROVAL.
SO, UH, GARRETT WANTED THEM TO TRY BECAUSE IT'S EXPENSIVE AND FRANKLY WHEN, YOU KNOW, I I, I SHOULD HAVE REALIZED, I GUESS I REMEMBER THE APPROVAL AND I, WHEN THEY SAID, OH, AND WE'RE GONNA RUN A SHUTTLE TO THE TRAIN STATION, IT NEVER DAWNED ON ME THAT THEY WERE GOING TO CHARGE SUCH HIGH AMOUNTS TO THE RESIDENTS TO GET ON THAT SHUTTLE.
RIGHT? I MEAN, I THOUGHT IT WAS, HEY, THIS IS GREAT, WE'LL GET CARS OFF THE ROAD.
AND, BUT IT, BECAUSE THEY CHARGED SO MUCH TO GET ON THE SHUTTLE, IT'S A DISINCENTIVE.
AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND THEY SAY, WELL, NOBODY'S REALLY USING IT.
SO I THINK GARRETT WANTED TO ASK HIM TO TRY FOR A MONTH EITHER REDUCING OR HAVING NO FEE FOR THE SHUTTLE AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE ACTUALLY GET AND USE IT.
THE ONLY THING THAT I SORT OF FEEL IS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY WANTS THE PARKING AREA BECAUSE WE'VE HAD, I'VE HAD MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THERE'S A LOT OF YOUNGER FAMILIES, UH, THAT WANT TO USE, UH, THE, THE FACILITY.
SO, UH, THEY WERE THE ONES WHO ACTUALLY, UM, WORKED ON THE AGREEMENT WITH AVALON, YOU KNOW, INITIALLY, AND I, I FEEL THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK I WOULD RATHER SIDE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND LET THEM GET THE PARKING, WHICH IS, WHICH WOULD SERVE A GREAT NEED AT NO COST TO THE TOWN.
AND I HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH, PAUL, WHAT ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THE SHUTTLE AND HOW DOES IT IMPACT THEM? WELL, THERE'S VERY FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE USING IT.
WELL, I KNOW THAT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S USING IT AND WHAT, AND HOW IT'S IMPACTING THEM AND WHETHER A DIFFERENCE IN WHAT'S BEING CHARGED, IF THAT'S IMPACTING THEM AS WELL.
SO THAT, THAT IMPACTS THAT, THAT COMMUNITY ITSELF.
SO THE QUESTION WAS WE NEED THAT INFORMATION.
WE HAVE A A MONTH OF FREE SERVICE TO SEE WHO TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THE SERVICE.
IF IT'S FREE, IF NO ONE TAKES ADVANTAGE OF IT, THEN THEN YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT USING IT THEN YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT REALLY, AND THEN THE BOARD WOULD, UM, MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THE DATA THEY, THAT THEY RECEIVE IT.
IT IS A LITTLE STRANGE THAT, UH, THE VERY NI VERY GOOD CIVIC ASSOCIATION IS STATING, TAKE THIS AWAY FROM THE PEOPLE INSIDE AVALON.
SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING OUTSIDE AVALON WITHOUT, WITHOUT US KNOWING MORE ABOUT THE PEOPLE INSIDE AVALON WHO'S GOING TO BE DEPRIVED OF A MEANS OF GETTING TO THE TRAIN STATION.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE A CAR, AS, YOU KNOW, TO GET THERE.
THEY MAY HAVE, THIS MAY BE THE WAY THAT THEY WORK.
HOW MUCH ARE THEY CHARGING FOR THE SHUTTLE? IT WAS A HUNDRED DOLLARS.
I'M JUST WONDERING, I'M WONDERING WHAT THE JUSTIFICATION
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IS FOR THE COST, WHETHER IT'S IS IS IT THEY COVERING THEIR OVERHEAD OR ARE THEY MAKING A PROFIT? LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I KNOW WHEN IT CAME BEFORE US, THIS WAS A MAJOR SELLING POINT, BUT THERE WAS, AS FAR AS I REMEMBER, THERE WAS NEVER AN ISSUE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO CHARGE THE PEOPLE.I THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS GONNA BE GREAT.
HE DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE GONNA CALL ON HIM.
DID YOU HEAR THE QUESTIONS, GARY? YEAH, NO, I'VE BEEN LISTENING THE WHOLE TIME AND I, I CAN POP DOWN, I'M UPSTAIRS, BUT, UH, I BELIEVE THE COST WAS A HUNDRED DOLLARS AND UM, PER MONTH AND YOU CAN SIGN UP WITHOUT LIKE THE LEASE TYPE AGREEMENT MONTH TO MONTH.
AND, UM, YEAH, I THINK, UH, COUNCILMAN SHEEN STATED IT CORRECTLY IS, AT LEAST FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE IS, UM, TO HAVE THAT DATA TO UNDERSTAND, UM, IF THE COST WAS, YOU KNOW, A PROHIBITED FACTOR FOR PEOPLE GETTING ON IT'S 1200 A YEAR, UM, THAT DATA WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
AND, UM, AND LOOK AFTER THAT ONE MONTH, IF THE RIDERSHIP IS STILL, YOU KNOW, STAGNANT, UM, THEN YOU KNOW, AT LEAST YOU HAVE DATA THAT YOU CAN USE AS A FINDING TO RELIEVE THE, UM, THE CONDITION.
AND I, I DO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE SUPERVISOR'S PERSPECTIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS OF WHAT IS TO OCCUR, UM, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY THAT PARK NEEDS TWO OR THREE PARKING SPACES.
I WALK WITH THE SUPERVISOR, NO DOUBT, NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.
WHATEVER HAPPENS, I THINK WE SHOULD WORK, UM, EITHER WITH, THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH THIS APPLICANT AND THEIR OFFER OF THE DONATION OR THROUGH THE PARKING AND REC, UH, FUND TO, YOU KNOW, FINANCE THOSE PARKING SPACES FOR THAT DEFINITELY DON'T, WOULD NOT DISCOUNT THE
I MEAN I PERSONALLY STILL FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU WOULD GET MORE BANG FOR THE BUCK, UH, CREATING, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING, UM, YOU SPACES BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I, I FAIL THAT.
UH, BUT I THINK WITHOUT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT, UH, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY IT, I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE MAKING THAT DECISION.
DO WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION? IT JUST, YEAH, I DON'T SEE TAKING IT AWAY FROM, FROM A GROUP THAT THAT WAS GIVEN IT.
AND, UH, AND NOW, BECAUSE IF YOU, IF IT'S A HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH, THAT'S $1,200 A YEAR, THAT'S ADDED ONTO THE COST OF COMMUTING INTO THE CITY.
AND THEN YOU HAVE METRO NORTH ADDED TO THAT.
AND WHAT, WHAT REPRESENTATION WAS MADE TO THE PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT AN AVALON BOUGHT? NO, NOBODY BOUGHT THEIR RENTING.
WHEN THEY MOVED IN, WHEN THEY SIGNED A LEASE, WHAT WAS THE REPRESENTATION ABOUT THE SHUTTLE? RIGHT? AND NOW WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE ARE TAKING THAT BENEFIT FROM THEM AND ESSENTIALLY CONFERRING IT TO PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T GIVEN IT WHEN THEY SIGN LEASES.
SO WHAT WOULD BE ABLE, WHAT ABLE TO, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE GIVING THE PEOPLE WHO SIGNED THE LEASES WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WERE GONNA HAVE A SHUTTLE, NOTHING, WE'RE JUST TAKING IT AWAY FROM THEM AND THAT'S IT.
WOULD WE BE ABLE TO, UH, ASK AVALON TO OFFER THE FREE SHUTTLE TO, UH, RESIDENTS OF EAST IRVINGTON ALSO? I MEAN IF THE, IF PEOPLE AREN'T REALLY, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, NO.
WHAT IF THEY, WHAT IF THEY JUST CHARGE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF THEY CHARGE LESS? LIKE, I WANNA KNOW WHY IT'S A HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH, RIGHT,
AND THEN WE'LL KNOW FOR SURE AND THEN THE DATA WILL BE THERE.
AND OBVIOUSLY IF NO ONE'S USING IT, THE BOARD MIGHT BE MORE RECEPTIVE.
SO IF THEY CONTINUE TO USE IT AT, AT THE RATE OF BEING FREE, ARE THEY GONNA CONTINUE TO SERVICE? BECAUSE MAYBE THE ISSUE IS THE A HUNDRED DOLLARS FEE THAT THAT COULD BE AN ISSUE TOO.
AND THAT, AND THEN I GUESS THE ANSWER IS, WELL, YOU'RE CHARGING TOO MUCH, BUT PEOPLE WILL ACTUALLY USE IT.
I THINK RON MARTIN WHO RUNS THE PROPERTY MANAGER SAID THE DEMOGRAPHICS HAVE CHANGED IN TERMS OF PEOPLE COMMUTING TO THE CITY.
SO THEY JUST DON'T COMMUTE TO THE CITY.
AND IF THEY DO COMMUTE OTHER PLACES, THEY JUST DRIVE 'CAUSE THEY HAVE CARS.
THE SHUTTLE IS TOO EXPENSIVE, A LOT SHUTTLE, TOO EXPENSIVE.
THINK IT WAS, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FREE, BUT WHY IS IT A HUNDRED DOLLARS? RIGHT? I MEAN, SUBSIDIZING MIDDLE GROUND, COUNCILMAN JONES, I KNOW THAT, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE COST I THINK THEY REPRESENTED IS ROUGHLY $70,000 A YEAR TO PAY THAT STAFF PERSON AND, AND UPKEEP ON THE VEHICLE.
SO TO, FROM, FROM AVALON'S PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.
UM, BUT I GUESS I WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE TO SUGGEST THAT IF THERE'S ONE FREE MONTH, JUST AS LIKE A LITMUS TEST AND RIDERSHIP DOES NOT SPIKE, THEN THAT'S WHY THAT CONDITION WAS PUT IN IS TO REVISIT AND, YOU KNOW, ALRIGHT, SO WE JUST DO THE EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER ONE.
YEAH, SO I THINK GARRETT, THEY JUST WANT TO SEE THAT MEMORIALIZED
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IN A, IN A, IN A LETTER THAT I THINK YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY DRAFTED AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU STILL HAVE THAT LETTER, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.AND THEN I THINK THEY WOULD BE, THEY'D BE HAPPY TO COMPLY WITH THE TOWN BOARD'S REQUEST AND THEY NEED TO ADVERTISE IT.
THAT IT'S AVAILABLE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE LETTER HAS ALL THOSE POINTS IN IT AND UM, YEAH, I'M SURE THEY'LL COME RIGHT BACK TO US AFTER THE MONTH AND HAVE GOOD DATA.
SO WHEN YOU'RE SAYING ADVERTISING YOU, YOU WOULD SAY THEY SHOULD SEND A NOTE TO ALL THE TENANTS, UM, SAYING AND POST A SIGN BEGINNING SEPTEMBER 1ST.
WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU POST SIGNS, POST SIGNS UP IMPLICATIONS WHEN YOU'RE ENTERING AND YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT.
NEXT, RIGHT, NEXT, I GUESS WE HAVE THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, RIGHT? UH, BE RIGHT.
WE HAVE THE EXECUTIVE SESSION BECAUSE, UH, AND THAT'S GONNA BE RELATING TO THE VACCINE POLICY.
AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME, SOME THINGS WE WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE RESOLUTIONS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY, AND DID, DID ROBERTA OR MILAGROS HAVE ANYTHING MILAGRO? I THINK SHE'S COMING DOWN FOR THE, UM, THE DISCUSSION ON THE VACCINE VACCINE, RIGHT.
WHATEVER THE LEGAL ISSUES ARE RELATED TO THAT.
AND ROBERTA, I DON'T KNOW IF ROBERTA IS COMING.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.
WE CAN ACTUALLY OKAY, THAT'S GOOD.
AND WE HAVE NOBODY ZOOMING, SO.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO GO IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THREE, FOUR MATTERS, UH, PERSONNEL, RIGHT.
INVOLVING PARTICULAR PEOPLE AND, UH, AND YOU KNOW, THE POLICY RELATING TO RESOLUTIONS AND THE FACT THAT WE, WE WANT EVERYTHING, WELL DEPARTMENT HEADS TO UH, UH, SUBMIT, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURATE RESOLUTIONS BEFORE IT GETS ON THE AGENDA OR WE WON'T PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
AYE, WE WON'T BE RETURNING, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.