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WELL, GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME TO[ FINAL TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD GREENBURGH TOWN HALL AGENDA WEDNESDAY, September 14, 2021 – 6:30 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
THE SEPTEMBER 14TH MEETING OF THE PLANNING BOARD.I ASKED DEPUTY SCHMID TO CALL THE ROLE CHAIRPERSON SIMON.
WE'LL NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. GOLDEN AND OUR NEW ALTERNATE MR. CAMPERO, ARE NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
UM, SEEING HOW WE DID NOT HAVE, UH, UH, A MEETING ON OUR, UH, OUR LAST MEETING WAS CANCELED AND THEREFORE THERE ARE NO, UH, MEETINGS FOR THE SEPTEMBER 14TH, UH, PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
SO THE ONLY, SO THE APPLICABLE MEETING IS FOR WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 4TH.
AND THOSE, THE, THAT'LL, THAT IS THE MINUTES THAT WE WILL BE, UH, REVIEWING THIS EVENING.
UM, I DID NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE MEETING ITSELF.
I HAD FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS, WHICH I, UH, ASKED STAFF, BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF THE MINUTES, SO I WOULD NOT, I'M NOT GOING TO, UH, RAISE THOSE ISSUES HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE MINUTES.
BUT, SO WITH THAT SAID, I HAVE NO CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES OF AUGUST 4TH.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY INPUT ON THE MINUTES OF AUGUST 4TH? FOUR, MONA ON MUTE? YES.
AND IT'S ON PAGE THREE 11, LINES DOWN FROM THE TOP.
UM, AND IT SAYS THE PROJECT INVOLVES, BUT INSTEAD OF THE WORD, THE, IT'S T EIGHT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? IF NOT, I PROPOSE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES AS CORRECTED.
UM, SO THE MINUTES IS APPROVED AS CORRECTED.
UH, THE NEXT THING ON AGENDA IS THE CORRESPONDENCE.
UH, I DRAW YOUR ATTENDANCE ATTENTION TO THE PLANNING BOARD SCHEDULE FOR HARASSMENT, HARASSMENT, UH, TRAINING, AWARENESS.
UH, I BELIEVE THE SCHEDULE WAS SENT AROUND THROUGH ALL THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS.
AND I, I'M CURRENTLY FROZEN RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN WE, UH, HOPE THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE ONE OF THOSE COURSES, UH, UH, DURING THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER.
WHEN IS IT ALL? IT'S SEPTEMBER 18TH, OR, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THE DATES RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THERE, I THINK THERE WAS ABOUT TWO OR THREE DATES DURING THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER.
AND IT WOULD BE GOOD IF ALL THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS ARE ABLE TO SIT IN.
IT'S, IT IS NOT A VERY LONG, UH, UH, SEMINAR, BUT IT'S REQUIRED.
SO WE NEED TO DO THAT AND GET THAT OFF.
WELL, I WAS ABLE TO DO IT IN AUGUST, SO I'M AT, I'M DONE ALREADY.
HOW LONG WAS THE SEMINAR? IT WAS JUST ME THAT DAY.
SO IT TOOK ABOUT AN HOUR OR SO.
I WAS THE ONLY ONE SITTING IN, EVERYBODY ELSE BAILED.
DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT IT WAS AN OPTION IN AUGUST.
I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST ALL MOVED TO, UM, TO SEPTEMBER.
SO, NO, WHAT, WHAT I DID FOR THAT, I HAD SIGNED UP ALREADY.
WHAT HAPPENED? BECAUSE THE NOTICE WAS WE HAD A VERY SHORT NOTICE, AND IT WAS IN AUGUST, AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, UH, PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS MIGHT BE ON VACATION THAT WE NEEDED ANOTHER OPTION.
AND THAT'S WHEN THE, THE SEPTEMBER DATES CAME UP.
THE SCHEDULE WALTER OF SEPTEMBER 20TH, FIVE OR SEVEN O'CLOCK, THE 21ST AT FIVE OR SEVEN O'CLOCK, THE 22ND AT 10:00 AM THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS.
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ON CORRESPONDENCE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THE, THE JULY AUGUST TALK OF THE TOWN OF, UM, UH, PUBLICATION WE RECEIVE.AND ON PAGE THREE, IT TALKS ABOUT, UH, THE TOWN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE GOVERNMENT FUNDINGS EITHER THROUGH FEMA OR THE PROPOSED, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND I KNOW THE TOWN IS WORKING DILIGENTLY ON SEEING THAT WE CAPTURE THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF DOLLARS.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE STATEMENT THAT, UH, I'M GLAD THE TOWN IS DOING THAT AND, UH, AND HOPE THEY CONTINUE DOING IT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT COULD BECOME AVAILABLE.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF NEEDS IN THE TOWN, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU TALK TO FEMA, UH, ABOUT FEMA FUNDS AND AMOUNT OF FLOODING THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE IN THE TOWN.
SO I'M GOOD THAT, UH, THAT THE TOWN IS DEVOTING THIS ENERGY TO CAPTURE AS MANY DOLLARS AS POSSIBLE.
SO I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT AND I HOPE THE TOWN CONTINUES.
UH, THE OTHER, UM, PPP 15, UH, UM, CORRESPONDENCE.
NOW I LOOKED THROUGH MY, AARON, COULD YOU BRING ME UP TODAY? 'CAUSE I WAS LOOKING THROUGH MY, THROUGH MY, UH, PACKET.
I I DIDN'T SEE THE SPECIFIC CORRESPONDENCE THAT YOU REFERRED TO.
SO AGAIN, CASE NUMBER EIGHT PB 1815.
PUCCI GALLUS SUBDIVISION AT 1 35 OLD ARMY ROAD.
UH, THERE WAS A COVER MEMO THAT I HAD PREPARED, AND THEN, UH, A LETTER REQUESTS WITH SOME SUPPORTING INFORMATION AND DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE.
ESSENTIALLY, THIS WAS A SUBDIVISION THAT WAS PRELIMINARILY APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, WITH THE CONDITION.
WELL, AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE APPLICANTS AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, INDICATED THAT THEIR PLAN WAS TO REMOVE OR RELOCATE THE SOLAR PANELS ON THE NEW LOT TO BE CREATED AS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON A LOT THAT DOESN'T HAVE A PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE.
UM, AND WE PROVIDED THE MINUTES WHERE THIS WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE BOARD ON JULY 17TH, TWO, 2019.
WHAT HAD HAPPENED, AND, AND WHAT WAS INDICATED TO US IS THAT IN BETWEEN PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, WHICH WAS ISSUED BY THE PLANNING BOARD ON SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2019, AND, AND, AND PRESENT TIME, IT BECAME CLEAR TO THE APPLICANTS THAT THE COST TO REMOVE THE SOLAR PANELING WAS SUBSTANTIAL AND NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY WANTED TO UNDERTAKE AT THAT TIME OR AT THIS TIME.
ACCORDINGLY, THE APPLICANT SOUGHT AN AREA VARIANCE THROUGH THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, WHICH WAS ULTIMATELY GRANTED BY THE Z B A IN A DECISION FILED MARCH 16TH, 2021.
A CONDITION OF THE ZBA A'S GRANTING OF THE AREA VARIANCE WAS THAT THE SOLAR PANELS MUST BE REMOVED PRIOR TO THE SALE OF THE NEW LOT TO BE CREATED AS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION.
SO, UM, ADDITIONALLY, THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION LAPSED DURING, YOU KNOW, THE COVID PERIOD, AND THROUGH THE TIME THAT THEY MOVED THROUGH, UH, THE ZONING BOARD WITH THEIR VARIANCE APPLICATION.
SO THEY'RE SEEKING REALLY TWO THINGS.
ONE, UH, TO SEE IF THE BOARD WOULD BE AGREEABLE TO RE-APP APPROVING OR, OR EXTENDING THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY GRANTED.
NOTHING HAS CHANGED, ASIDE FROM WHAT I DESCRIBED WITH RESPECT TO THE SOLAR PANELS.
AND IF THE BOARD IS IN AGREEMENT, UH, WITH THE ZBA A'S DETERMINATION THAT IF AND WHEN YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH CONSIDERATION OF THE FINAL SUBDIVISION APPLICATION, YOU MAY ALSO CONSIDER A CONDITION RELATING TO THE REMOVAL OF THE SOLAR PANELS AT THE TIME OF SALE OR TRANSFER OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE STAND ON THIS.
AS I MENTIONED, NOTHING ELSE HAS CHANGED.
UH, COVID, YOU KNOW, THREW A WRENCH IN A LOT OF FOLKS' PLANS, AND THEY FOUND OUT THAT THERE WAS A SUBSTANTIAL COST IN REMOVING THEM, AND THEY DON'T REALLY WANT, THEY DIDN'T DECIDED THAT THEY DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO REMOVE THEM, AND THEY'D PREFER TO KEEP THEM AND HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO REPURPOSE THEM IN THE FUTURE.
O I THINK DAVID HAS A QUESTION OR A COMMENT.
UH, ACTUALLY, IT, IT, IT, IT IS ONE COMMENT JUST, UH,
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AARON SAID IT RIGHT WHEN HE SAID, UPON THE SALE OR TRANSFER, UM, OF THE PROPERTY, THE Z B A AT THE TIME OF THE ZBA A'S VARIANCE, THEY, UH, I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS CONTEMPLATED, UH, ANYTHING OTHER THAN A SALE.SO THEY CONDITIONED IT UPON A SALE IN THE, UH, LETTER THAT WAS SENT BY THE APPLICANT ON AUGUST 11TH, 2 20, 20 21.
THEY NOW INDICATE THAT THEY PLAN TO GIVE A LOT TO THEIR, THEIR SONS, AND THEREFORE WE JUST WANT TO IN INCLUDE IN OUR LANGUAGE SALE OR TRANSFER OF THE PROPERTY.
SO DAVID, THIS IS BASICALLY A, UH, PROCEDURAL KIND OF, UH, ISSUE THAT THEY WANT US RELIEF FROM.
WELL, WELL, ONE, OBVIOUSLY THEY NEED THE EXTENSION.
UH, TWO IS THEY, THEY DID GET THE VARIANCE ALREADY FROM THE, UH, Z B A, IT WOULD'VE BEEN OUR PREFERENCE.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS, COVID WAS INVOLVED THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAD COME, HAD COME TO THE BOARD AND SAID, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO.
WE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT AFTER THE VARIANCE, WHICH IS UNUSUAL, BUT YES, IT'S, IT'S, THIS IS PROCEDURALLY, UH, NOW TO EXTEND.
SO, SO IN TERMS OF, OF THE PROCESS, THE FIRST DECISION WE HAVE TO MAKE IS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO EXTEND THE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL PRELIMINARY, CORRECT? YEAH.
PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS THEN WHEN IT COMES BACK FOR FINAL, THEN WE PUT THOSE CONDITIONS IN.
OR ARE YOU SAYING WE SHOULD PUT THOSE CONDITIONS IN NOW? UM, I THINK YOU, UH, YOU GIVE THE EXTENSION, YOU, YOU VOTE TO THE EXTENSION, BUT THE EXTENSION SAYS THAT WHEN THEY COME BACK ON FOR SOME FINAL SUBDIVISION, YOU PUT THOSE CONDITIONS ON.
WELL, THE, IF YOU JUST WROTE AN EXTENSION, UM, OF WHAT WE ALREADY AGREED TO, TECHNICALLY THEY CAN'T SUBDIVIDE WITHOUT REMOVING THE PANELS.
RIGHT? WELL, THEY HAVE, THEY, THEY GOT THE VARIANCE CHANGE.
THEY GOT THE VARIANCE THEY CAN MAKE.
HOW CAN THEY GET A VARIANCE FROM A, THAT IS REALLY BIZARRE.
HOW CAN THEY GET A VARIANCE FROM A PLANNING BOARD DECISION LIKE THAT? THAT IS VERY, VERY STRANGE.
I REALLY THINK WE SHOULD BE WRITING THE ZONING BOARD TO ASK HOW, HOW DO YOU OVER, HOW DID YOU DO THIS? I'M SERIOUS.
I, IT, IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.
THIS WOULD, I MEAN, CLEARLY WE WOULD'VE RECOMMENDED NEGATIVE GIVEN THE NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION ON THAT VARIANCE SINCE WE WANTED THEM REMOVED.
AND THEN THEY GO EX PARTE TO THE ZONING BOARD, AND THEN WE DON'T GET EVEN A NOTICE FROM THE ZONING BOARD.
THERE'S SOMETHING VERY STRANGE ABOUT THAT PROCEDURE, TO BE QUITE HONEST.
AND I DON'T
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US? ABSOLUTELY.
I'VE NEVER, EVER, I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD 20 SOMETHING YEARS.
YOU CAN APPEAL, THEY COULD APPEAL THE PLANNING BOARD'S DECISION, BUT THEY AGREED TO IT VOLUNTARILY, AND THEY PRESENTED IT.
ACTUALLY, THEY PRESENTED THAT.
I THINK WE, WE, WE SHOULD WITHDRAW THE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
BUT LET'S MAKE SURE, YES, I AGREE.
THIS IS A HIGHLY UNUSUAL PROCEDURE, BUT LET'S MAKE SURE WHAT WE DO, WE DON'T CREATE ANOTHER HIGHLY UNUSUAL PROCEDURE.
SO BASED UPON THAT, DAVID, WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS? OUR OPTIONS IS TO NOT GRANT THE, UM, EXTENSION, NOT GRANT THE EXTENSION, AND HAVE THEM COME FORWARD WITH A NEW SUBDIVISION PLAN THAT HAS IT, UH, ON THERE CONSISTENT WITH THE, UM, WITH, WITH THE, UH, VARIANCE THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED.
NUMBER TWO IS TO, UH, APPROVE IT, OR ACTUALLY TO EXTEND IT AND TELL THEM WHEN THEY COME BACK FOR FINAL SUBDIVISION, THEY HAVE TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.
AND IT'S UP TO THE PLANNING BOARD AT THAT POINT TO DETERMINE
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WHETHER OR NOT TO MAKE, UH, THE APPROVAL, UH, THEIR, UH, YOU KNOW, DESPITE, UH, WHETHER YOU GO WITH OPTION A OR B.UM, I THINK, UH, THERE, UH, CAN BE A LETTER TO THE Z B A, UH, JUST NOTING THAT THIS WAS THIS, IT WAS IT UNEXPECTED THAT THE PLANNING BOARD RECEIVES SOMETHING THAT AN APPRO ON, ON A, UH, PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION, UH, APPROVAL WITHOUT A, UH, OPINION FROM THE PLANNING BOARD AS TO A VARIANCE.
DAVE? DAVE, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? I DON'T, I, UH, QUESTION, COMMENT.
I THINK DOING NUMBER TWO ONLY DELAYS THE INEVITABLE AND IS ACTUALLY INCONSISTENT BECAUSE AS OF NOW, WHAT WE APPROVED IN THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION NO LONGER HOLDS BECAUSE THERE'S NOW A, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS OUT THERE.
THERE'S WHAT WE APPROVE AND THERE'S, THERE'S VARIANCE.
I, I
SO I GUESS YOU COULD DO THAT, BUT AS A VARIANCE, THE, IT, THE WHOLE THING DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.
SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY CHOICE BUT TO, TO TAKE OPTION A AT THIS POINT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE EVERYBODY GET A CHANCE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE ONLY REASON WE CONDITIONED IT THE WAY WE DID IS BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THE ZONING WE WERE, THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE THE SOLAR PANELS THERE.
IF THERE WAS NO STRUCTURE ON THE LOT.
'CAUSE THERE WAS SUBDIVIDING A LOT, I DON'T THINK WE HAD A PROBLEM WITH SOLAR PANELS OR THAT THEY WERE CAUSING ANY KIND OF DISTURBANCE OR MAKING ANY KIND OF TROUBLE.
SO, PROCEDURALLY, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS SCREWY, PERHAPS, BUT I THINK IN THE END, UM, IF THE REASON WE CONDITIONED IT HAS NOW BEEN REMOVED BECAUSE OF THE VARIANCE, THEN I DON'T SEE A REASON TO HOLD IT UP JUST BECAUSE IT DIDN'T FOLLOW THE LOGICAL OR TYPICAL PATH.
I, I THINK, UM, UH, I AGREE WITH TOM BECAUSE, UH, I THINK AS IT IS, UH, UH, TOWN HAS A PRETTY, UH, PRETTY BAD REPUTATION ON HOLDING UP THINGS FOR VERY FRIVOLOUS THINGS.
AND I THINK THIS FALLS INTO THAT CATEGORY.
SO I AGREE WITH TOM THAT, UH, UH, I, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE NEW CONCERN IS, AND IT'S VERY RIGHTFULLY, UH, HE SHOULD TELL THE PLA ZONING BOARD, BUT NOT TO, NOT TO HOLD UP THE APPLICANT FOR, UH, APPROVING IT.
SO THEN IF I'M UNDERSTANDING, UH, ZEN TOWN'S POSITION IS THAT WE JUST NOTIFIED THE ZONING BOARD THAT THEY WERE KIND OF OUT OF LINE WITH THE PROCESS, BUT STILL APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S, UM, THE APPLICATION SO THAT, WELL, NO, NO, NO.
THE, THE EXTENSION REQUEST, THE EXTENSION ONLY NEED THE EXTENSION REQUEST, NOT THE APPLICATION.
BECAUSE THEN THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AND THEN AT THAT POINT WE COULD MAKE A CORRECTION TO THE PROCEDURE.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO IT LEGALLY.
I REALLY DON'T BECAUSE IT, LET'S, LEMME CHIME IN.
PLEASE CORRECT MY SENT, I'D LIKE TO FINISH MY SENTENCE, THEN DAVID CAN CHIME IN.
I DON'T THINK HE, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO DO IT LE LEGALLY BECAUSE IT ISN'T WHAT WE APPROVED.
WE DIDN'T PUT IN THE DECISION ANYWHERE IN THE DECISION, UM, THAT THEY, UH, THAT THEY SHOULD GO TO THE ZONING BOARD AND GET THAT, THAT VARIANCE.
IF WE HAD DONE THAT, THEN IT, YOU KNOW, THEN IT WOULD'VE BEEN FINE.
I DON'T THINK WHAT WE HAVE THE PAPER PAPER'S VALID ANYMORE.
AND BY THE WAY, IT'S NOT THE ZBA A'S FAULT, IT'S THE APPLICANT'S FAULT.
'CAUSE THE APPLICANT WENT AROUND US, NOT, NOT THE Z B A.
SOME, SOME LAWYER GOT REAL SMART AND WENT AROUND US.
IF THEY'D BEEN STRAIGHT WITH US, I COULDN'T AGREE WITH TOM AND T MORE.
YEAH, I I ACTUALLY THOUGHT TAKING THOSE THINGS OUT WAS KIND OF SILLY.
HOPEFULLY SOMEBODY WILL USE THEM AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE THEM TAKEN OUT.
BUT I ALSO DON'T LIKE, LIKE SETTING A PRECEDENT WHERE PEOPLE THINK THEY CAN GO AROUND THE PLANNING BOARD LIKE THAT.
WELL, THERE WAS, LET ME JUST STATE THAT IN JULY, ON JULY 17TH, 2019
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WAS WHEN THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THESE SOLAR PANELS AT THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING.AND MR. SINOR ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT STATED, AND I I HAVE THESE, THIS HIGHLIGHTED, UH, HE STATED THAT IN EXISTING GROUND MOUNTED SOLAR PANEL ARRAY WOULD BE REMOVED AS INSTRUCTED BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT DUE IT DUE TO IT BEING LOCATED ON THE NEWLY PROPOSED LOT, WHICH WOULD BE VACANT AT THE TIME OF THE CREATION OF THE SUBDIVISION IF APPROVED.
AND THE NEXT PARAGRAPH STATES, MR. GOLDEN NOTED THAT HE HAD CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT AND ASKED MR. CSOR IF THE APPLICANT COULD RETAIN THE SOLAR PANELS.
MR. CSOR STATED THAT IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO RETAIN THE PANELS, A VARIANCE WOULD BE REQUIRED AS DETERMINED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE.
HE SUGGESTED THAT AN ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE THE APPLICANT COULD RELOCATE THE PANELS TO THE LOT WITH THE EXISTING RESIDENCE AS AN OPTION, OR ALTERNATIVELY THE PANELS COULD BE REMOVED AND STORED ON THE SITE AND THEN BE REINSTALLED IF THE BUYER OF THE NEW LOT WERE INTERESTED.
SO THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY TOOK ONE, BUT THE PLANNING BOARD WAS NOT NOTIFIED OF THE POSITION THAT THEY TOOK.
MY THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
I, I, I THINK THERE ARE, UM, UH, UH, TWO ISSUES HERE.
THE FIRST ONE IS THAT, UH, IS A PROCEDURAL ONE.
WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS INTENT OF THE APPLICANT TO, UH, UM, BYPASS THE PLANNING BOARD BASED ON THE RECORDS WHAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT, UH, THERE ARE LEGITIMATE INDICATION IN, IN TERMS, UH, BY A BOARD MEMBER SAYING THAT, WELL, THIS IS A POSSIBLE WAY OF DOING IT.
SO I WOULD NOT MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT WAS AN INTENTIONAL EN RUN BECAUSE THERE ARE LEGAL IN, THERE ARE IMPLICATIONS, UH, WHETHER OR NOT IT PASSED, UH, THE ZONING RE UH, THE, UH, THE PROCEDURE OR NOT.
BUT THERE WERE INDICATION GIVEN TO THE APPLICANT THAT THAT WAS A POSSIBILITY.
SO I DO, I WOULD NOT ASSUME IT WAS AN INTENTIONAL INTERIM.
THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES THE QUESTION THAT HUGH WROTE, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S LEGAL, THE PROCESS WE WOULD DO BY APPROVING, UH, THE EXTENSION.
UH, IS THAT REALLY LEGAL? SO DAVE, COULD YOU ADDRESS THAT? I THINK IT IS PERFECTLY LEGAL TO APPROVE THE EXTENSION, BUT WHEN THEY COME BACK FOR SUBDIVISION, AS IN OTHER SUBDIVISIONS WHEN CHANGES ARE MADE, THEY CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE.
WITH THAT SAID, I THINK WE SHOULD, UH, JUST PUT IT TO WALTER.
I, I DISAGREE WITH WHAT, IF YOU TAKE WHAT, UH, AARON READ IN CONTEXT, I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH YOU.
I REMEMBER MICHAEL DOING THAT, AND WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS RETAINING IT BY MOVING IT.
I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION VERY VIVIDLY AND IT WAS RETAINING IT BY MOVING THE PANELS TO THE, TO THE EXISTING PROPERTY.
SO IT WASN'T ABOUT, WE NEVER EVER TALKED ABOUT THEM GOING TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR A VARIANCE.
THAT WAS NEVER THE DISCUSSION.
I WISH MS. MICHAEL WAS HERE, BUT THAT WAS NOT THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD AT THE TIME.
SO I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH YOUR, YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THAT.
THAT'S IN, I DID NOT AT ANY TIME IMPLY THAT THEY WERE INSTRUCTED TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD, BUT I DID INDICATE THAT SEVERAL POSSIBLE OPTIONS, UH, ONE TO REASONABLY ASSUME THAT FROM THAT CONVERSA THERE, AREER, THERE ARE SEVERAL OPTIONS THAT
THAT THERE WERE OPTION ADDITIONAL OPTIONS AVAILABLE.
NOW, IT WAS NOT, THEY WERE NOT TOLD THAT THEY MADE AN ASSUMPTION ON THEIR PART THAT THERE WERE, THAT THEY HAD MORE FLEXIBILITY THAT THEY REALLY HAD.
SO I'M SAYING BASED UPON THAT, I DON'T FEEL IT WAS INTENTIONAL.
IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT, BUT I DON'T FEEL IT WAS INTENTIONAL.
THAT WAS THE POINT I WAS MAKING.
NONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT MICHAEL SUGGESTED REQUIRED A VARIANCE PERIOD.
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RETAINING THIS PANELS AND ELLIOT SINOR SAID, IN ORDER TO DO THAT, YOU'D NEED A VARIANCE.THE MECHANISM FOR RETAINING THEM WAS PUT OUT THERE.
MAYBE WE DIDN'T SUGGEST IT OR ENDORSE IT, BUT IT WAS PUT OUT THERE.
YEAH, THAT'S MY POINT THAT I THINK YOU, I THINK YOU'RE SETTING, I THINK AT THIS, I THINK AT THIS POINT WE, UH, UH, UH, UH, ANYONE ELSE HAVE AN OPINION ON THIS? I THINK WE SHOULD JUST PUT IT TO A VOTE.
UH, MONA, DID YOU EXPRESS AN OPINION? IF YOU WANT TO EXPRESS IT, YOU CAN DO SO.
I, I THINK THEY, THEY'RE TRYING TO DO AN END RUN AROUND US.
I THINK THEY, THEY, THEY FOUND OUT IT WAS AN EXPENSIVE THING TO MOVE AND THEY DECIDED TO FIND ANOTHER WAY TO GET IT DONE, AND THEY WENT TO THE Z B A TO TRY AND GET SOMETHING DONE.
UM, AND THAT DIDN'T WORK EITHER.
SO, I'M SORRY, THAT'S, THAT'S MY OPINION PERSONALLY.
SO I THINK AT THIS POINT WE JUST NEED TO PUT IT TO A VOTE WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD, UH, UH, UH, EXTEND, UM, UH, UH, THE PRELIMINARY, UH, SUBDIVISION.
UM, WALTER, CAN I SUGGEST ONE OTHER OPTION? WHY IS THAT SINCE THERE IS DISAGREEMENT AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, UM, MOTIVES ARE BEING QUESTIONED, CAN WE ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME IN AND DISCUSS THEIR REASONING FOR DOING WHAT THEY DID AND TAKE, TAKE US THROUGH THE PROCESS OKAY.
RATHER THAN ASSUMING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD THANK YOU FOR THAT.
AND, AND I'M TOTALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT.
IF THERE'S NO OPPOSITION, THEN WE WILL HAVE THE APPLICANT COME IN ON THE NEXT MEETING.
NOW WE COULD ASK THE APPLICANT DIRECTLY WHAT GAVE, GIVE YOU THAT IDEA THAT YOU HAD THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO, UM, UH, THE OTHER THING I JUST, YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF, WELL, YOU HAD THE CALENDAR FOR NEXT YEAR.
UH, THERE ARE TWO DAYS THAT ARE OTHER ON THE 15TH.
THAT WILL BE ON THE TUESDAY INSTEAD OF A WEDNESDAY ON, UH, MARCH 15TH.
AND ON OCTOBER 3RD WILL BE A MONDAY INSTEAD OF A WEDNESDAY.
AND THAT IS, UH, BE AS THE MEMO INDICATE THAT IS IN RECOGNITION TO, UH, THE JEWISH HOLIDAYS THAT WOULD, UH, INTERFERE WITH OUR MEETING UNLESS SOMEONE HAVE, UH, AN OBJECTION TO THAT INTEND A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE CALENDAR FOR 2022.
THE, THE NE THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS CASE PB 2105, UH, A DECISION ON FERNCLIFF CEMETERY.
UH, YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT, UH, YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT, UH, UH, DECISION.
HAS ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DECISION ON THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPROVAL.
UM, AND AS, AS PREVIOUSLY WAS INDICATED, THE TOWN BOARD ON JULY 27TH DID ISSUE, UH, AMENDED SITE PLAN AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD CERTAINLY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH CONSIDERATION OF THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPROVAL THIS EVENING.
AND NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS HAVE COME IN SINCE THE PLANNING BOARD HELD ITS PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, WITH THAT SAID, AND IF, IF THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION FROM PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS IN REGARDS TO, UH, THE SLEEP, UH, DISTINCT SLOPE PERMIT APPROVAL, I, I REMOVE THAT, UM, APPROVAL, UH, THAT THE STEEP SLOPE APPROVAL IS GRANTED BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
UH, THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS FINAL SUBDIVISION THREE REMOVAL PERMIT FOR PB 2017 HOUSING ACTION COUNCIL.
AND YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT IN, IN FRONT OF YOU.
I, ON THIS ONE THERE ARE SOME COMMENTS.
I THINK THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE IN HERE.
ONE WAS ABOUT THE, THE ACTUAL ADDRESS OF THE HOUSE BECAUSE OF
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WHERE THE DRIVEWAY WAS SITUATED.THERE WAS A QUESTION OF WHAT WAS THE OFFICIAL ADDRESS OF THE, OF THE BUILDING.
AND, UH, AND, AND IT IS ON VOS AVENUE THAT WAS SPECIFIED IN THE PERMIT.
ANOTHER CASE WAS THAT IN IT, THAT THE APPLICANT BEING A, A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION BUILDING A, UH, TO, UH, AFFORDABLE HOME, THEY ASKED, THEY HAVE AN APPLICATION INTO THE TOWN BOARD TO, UH, GRANT THEM, UM, THE GRANT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO, WOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY, UH, THE PARKLAND'S FEE.
NOW, NORMALLY UPON APPROVAL, THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT FEE.
WHAT WE ARE SAYING HERE IS THAT BECAUSE THAT APPLICATION IS BEFORE THE PLANNING, UH, UH, TOWN BOARD, THAT THEY WILL NOT HAVE TO PAY THE FEE UNTIL, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN BOARD, UH, UH, DECIDE ON THAT.
AND I, AND, AND THE WORDING HERE IS, UH, LEMME GET THE PAGE ON THE LAST PAGE THAT THEY COULDN'T, UH, PULL THE PERMIT, THE BUILDING PERMIT UNTIL THAT IS RESOLVED BY, UH, THE TOWN BOARD.
AND I WOULD JUST INDICATE THAT, UM, UH, THIS IS A CASE WHERE YOU HAVE TWO, UH, UH, UH, CREDIBLE ISSUES THAT SHOULD, NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
ONE IS THAT AS YOU SUBDIVIDE, WE OBVIOUSLY NEED THOSE FUNDS TO BUILD MORE PARKLAND, AND THE SAME TIME WE NEED MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE, IN THE TOWN.
SO I WOULD, UH, HELP THAT THE TOWN BOARD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND, AND, AND LOOK CAREFULLY AT THAT REQUEST, BECAUSE IT IS, LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE TWO COMPETING GENUINE NEEDS IN THE TOWN.
AND THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION BEFORE THE TOWN, UH, UH, MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY SHOULD, UH, UH, UH, GRANT THE APPLICANT, UH, UH, UH, UM, APPROVAL FOR, FOR NOT PAYING THE RECREATION FEE.
WALTER, I I, I'M KIND OF SURPRISED THAT TOWN BOARD HASN'T REFERRED THAT QUESTION TO US.
SINCE WE CONTROL THAT BUDGET AND WE'RE THE ONES THAT DO THE SUBDIVISION, THE TOWN BOARD DECISION, IT'S ALL, IT'S UNDER THE CO I I DON'T RECALL THE TOWN BOARD EVER COMING TO THE PLANNING BOARD ON THAT DECISION, BUT IT, IT, YOU KNOW, THE CODE SPECIFIC SPECIFIES THAT, THAT'S FOR THE TOWN BOARD TO OKAY.
BUT ANYHOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN, AND BY SAYING THAT, HUGH, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I DISAGREE WITH, UH, WALTER.
IF WALTER, IF THE BOARD WANTS TO PROACTIVELY OR ACTIVELY TAKE A POSITION ON IT, THAT'S FINE.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, MY, MY, YEAH, I, I FEEL THAT THE TOWN REALLY SHOULD DO SOMETHING, WHETHER OR NOT IT IS THE FULL GRANTING OF THE 17,000 OR HALF THAT OR WHATEVER THE CASE.
BUT, UH, UH, THE TOWN NEEDS TO ADDRESS BOTH.
WE NEED THE PARKLAND AND WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO MAYBE IN TERMS OF, UH, FOR, UH, UH, TO ME, UH, A REASONABLE POSITION MIGHT BE TO GRANT HALF INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF THE 17, YOU GRANT 1650.
SO, AND THAT WILL INDICATE THAT THERE IS A SENSITIVITY FOR BOTH OF THESE ISSUES.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY HOPE THAT, UH, THE TOWN BOARD WOULD DO THAT.
NOW, IF, UH, UH, UH, AND I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF FORMALIZING THAT AND MAKE THEM THAT A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOMBOY, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
SO WE WOULD ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT? IF NOT, THEN WE WONDER, DID THE, DID THE TOWN GIVE ANY REASON FOR IT? UH, FOR IT OR GIVE, I'M SORRY.
GIVE ANY REASON FOR WHAT REASON? FOR, UH, NOT COLLECTING THE NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
THE STANDARD, THE STANDARD I CODE IS THAT THEY HAVE TO DO IT.
AND SO THEY ARE APPEALING TO THE TOWN BOARD.
THE TOWN BOARD HAS NOT MADE A DECISION ON THAT.
BUT I'M SAYING WE HAVE TWO VALID COMPETING ISSUES.
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AND IT SEEMS TO ME A, A, A REASONABLE AND FAIR WAY OF DOING IT IS TO, RATHER THAN PAYING THE 17, YOU PAY HALF.SO THEY GET HALF OF THE BENEFIT AND THE PARKS ONLY LOSE HALF OF THE BENEFIT.
AND I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE APPROACH.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING, THAT THE PLANNING BOARD MAKE THAT A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
I THINK WHAT YOU THEN WOULD WANNA DO IS TAKE TWO VOTES.
ONE IS THE VOTE ON THE LANGUAGE TO THE APPROVAL LETTER, AND THEN SECOND, SENDING A MEMO TO THE TOWN BOARD REFERENCING PARAGRAPH 15 AND SAYING IT'S THE, THE PLANNING BOARD'S WHAT, HOWEVER YOU WANNA ARTICULATE THE PLANNING BOARD'S OPINION ON THAT.
WHETHER IT'S TO WAIVE, WHETHER IT'S TO, UH, HAVE, OR, OR IF YOU WANT TO, UH, LEAVE IT, UH, LESS, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, A LITTLE BIT FUZZIER.
SO LET'S, UH, LET'S MAY TAKE THE FINAL VOTE ON THE, UM, SUBDIVISION AND TREE REMOVAL, THE FINAL SUBDIVISION AND TREE REMOVAL.
AS ALWAYS, I JUST ASKED, UH, UH, STAFF THAT DAY, UH, TO CONFIRM THERE WAS NO CHANGES BETWEEN, UH, THE YES.
SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT AND WE WILL CONFIRM.
WE HAVE CONFIRMED THAT THERE HAVE BEEN NO SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES MADE TO THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLAT SINCE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
YOU DO HAVE THREE VOTES FOR YOU ON THE DECISION.
THE FIRST IS TO CONSIDER WAIVING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE FINAL SUBDIVISION APPLICATION, WHICH IS CUSTOMARY FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO DO, UH, PARTICULARLY WHEN THERE ARE NO CHANGES.
SECOND WOULD BE TO CONSIDER THE FINAL SUBDIVISION, AND THIRD WOULD BE TO CONSIDER THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
AND THEN FINALLY TO CONSIDER MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN POINT.
SO I MOVE THAT WE WAIVE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, UH, THE FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
IS THE FINAL SUBDIVISION, UH, UH, APPROVAL.
AND THE LAST ONE IS THE TREE IS THE TREE REMOVAL.
SO I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
AND THE LAST ONE IS, UH, WE MAKE REFERENCE TO, WHAT IS THAT, WHAT PARAGRAPH 15, I BELIEVE? CORRECT.
IT'S, IT'S SECTION 15 OF THE DECISION IS THAT THE, THE TOWN BOARD, UH, THE TOWN BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD, RECOGNIZED THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR, UH, BOTH, UM, UH, UH, PUBLIC, UH, PUBLIC PARKLAND, PARKLAND, AND ALSO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND THEREFORE WE RECOMMEND, UH, THE, THE TOWN BOARD, UH, I'M PROPOSING THAT IT WOULD BE A SPLIT BETWEEN THE TWO.
UH, IF ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER SOMETHING ELSE BEFORE WE MAKE A FINAL VOTE, THEN PLEASE DO SO NOW.
IF NOT, SO, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, CHAIRPERSON SIMON, YOUR PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO RECOMMEND TO THE TOWN BOARD THAT IT PROVIDE A 50% REDUCTION OF THE REQUIRED RECREATION FEE FROM $17,280 TO $8,640? YEAH.
IN REC, IN RECOGNITION OF A VALID NEED OF THE TOWN TO INCREASE ITS PARKLAND SPACE AND TO INCREASE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
IT IS, UH, DO WE HAVE A, DO YOU HAVE A SECOND TO THAT? YEAH, I'LL SECOND.
OPPOSED? UM, WHAT, UH, AARON, I HAD A QUESTION REGARDING THE CONDITION.
WHAT, WHAT PAGE IS THAT? THERE WAS A HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ABOUT, UH, OH, PAGE 11.
THAT'S A TRAFFIC, WASN'T A TRAFFIC CONTROL.
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IS THAT PART OF A CODE THAT REQUIRES A MORE THAN ONE MINUTE THAT WE'VE DONE IT? UH, THE ONE MINUTE, BASED ON COMMENTARY PROVIDED BY OUR TRAFFIC AND SAFETY DIVISION OF THE GREENBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT.IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE EXTREMELY QUICK, LESS THAN ONE MINUTE OF BLOCKAGE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
UH, WHEN THEY GAVE US LANGUAGE TO INCLUDE WITHIN CONDITIONS, IT WAS ANYTHING IN EXCESS OF ONE MINUTE OF BLOCKAGE.
SO WE TOOK THAT LANGUAGE AND WE'VE BEEN CONSISTENT WITH THAT THROUGHOUT OUR LAST SEVERAL DECISIONS, UH, FOR PROJECTS ON NARROW ROADWAYS.
WE WILL GET THAT RECOMMENDATION OFF TO THE TOWN BOARD, UH, VERY SOON, BY THE END OF THE WEEK.
UH, UH, OUR, OUR NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS, UM, DISCUSSION OF DECISION BY, UH, PB 2104 REGENERON, THE STEEP SLOPE WETLANDS PERMIT.
SO I CAN CONFIRM CHAIRPERSON SIMON AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THAT, UM, THE ZONING BOARD DID MEET YESTERDAY EVENING AND DID GRANT THE NECESSARY VARIANCES FOR BOTH PROJECTS, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, THE REGENERON PROPOSAL.
SO JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT BECAUSE WE DID HAVE THAT IN, IN RED IN THE DRAFT DECISION THAT WAS PREPARED SINCE IT WAS PREPARED PRIOR TO LAST NIGHT.
SO I WANTED TO OUTLINE THAT FOR THE BOARD.
UM, AND THERE WOULD BE TWO VOTES, ONE ON THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND ONE ON THE WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT.
IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE DRAFT DECISION, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THOSE.
MS. GARRIS, UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
UH, JUST FOR THE RECORD, JANET GARRIS HERE THIS EVENING.
ON BEHALF OF REGENERON, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY JUST, UH, VERY BRIEFLY TO SEE THE DRAFT DECISIONS OF THE BOARD.
AND WE JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON BEHALF OF REGENERON WITH REGARD TO A NUMBER OF THE FEES THAT ARE CONTAINED IN THOSE DRAFT RESOLUTIONS.
UH, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THE 3% IN INSPECTION FEE FOR, UM, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.
WE ARE WONDERING IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS STATUTORY, UM, WHETHER THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS NEGOTIABLE, UH, AND CAN BE NEGOTIATED OUTSIDE OF, OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE PLANNING BOARD RESOLUTION.
UH, AS YOU KNOW, THESE PROJECTS ARE, UM, EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE AND A FEE OF THAT, THAT SIZE IS, IS, YOU KNOW, HAS THE POTENTIAL FOR BEING, UM, YOU KNOW, EXORBITANT AND WELL OUTSIDE OF, OF THE REALM OF WHAT THE TOWN'S ACTUAL COST WOULD BE, UH, IN CONNECTION WITH ANY OF THOSE INSPECTIONS.
MY, MY QUESTION, UH, UH, TO STAFF IS WERE THESE OR FEE STRUCTURE GENERATED BY THE CODE OR THIS FEE STRUCTURE GENERATED BY THE TOWN BOARD? BECAUSE THIS IS, UM, YEAH.
SO HOW IS THIS FEE STRUCTURE GENERATED? IS IT GENERATED BY CODE? I WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU.
I'M NOT SURE IF DAVID KNOWS OFFHAND.
I HAVE NOT BEEN INVOLVED WITH THAT.
I KNOW THAT, UM, THAT THE TOWN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CODE OR BY ORDINANCE.
I BELIEVE THE TOWN BOARD HAS SET THAT.
I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY RELAXATION OF THOSE FEES.
I, I BELIEVE IT'S A FORM, SOME KIND OF FORMULA FORMULA BASED ON THE TOTAL, TOTAL CONSTRUCTION COST.
I'M NOT, UH, WELL, I'M NOT GONNA SPECULATE AS TO, UH, IT, BUT, UH, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE, THAT, THAT I UNDERSTAND THE TOWN BOARD SETS, BUT I HAVE NOT BEEN INVOLVED WITH THAT.
BUT, BUT NO MATTER WHAT IT, THE, WHATEVER IT IS, WE HAVE NO JURISDICTION OVER THERE.
AND IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE, YOU'D HAVE TO GO TO THE TOWN BOARD APPEAL, RIGHT? APPEAL THAT, THAT FEE, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT WHAT IS THE SCOPE OF THAT? I THINK, JANET, IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN TELL US THAT WHAT'S, UH, WELL, WELL, WELL, YOU, I JUST FOR INFORMATION OKAY.
SO, SO YOUR DRAFT RESOLUTION REQUIRES THAT THERE BE A CONSTRUCTION COST ESTIMATE TO THE TOWN FOR, AND
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IN THIS INSTANCE, IT MAKES REFERENCE TO PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE PROJECT, WHICH INCLUDES STORM WATER, SEWER, AND WATER CONNECTIONS.AND THEN THERE'S A 3% INSPECTION FEE TO THE TOWN IN ADDITION TO REQUIRED BONDS.
AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT FEE, THEN THERE ARE ALSO INSPECTION FEES RELATED TO STEEP SLOPES, WHICH YOU'RE IN ADDITION TO THAT.
AND SO THE, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE THESE STATUTORY? LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS AS WE KNOW, THE PROJECT IS A VERY EXPENSIVE ONE.
UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ESTIMATE OF, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WHAT THE ESTIMATE OF PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE.
UM, BUT I, I THINK THAT WITH A PROJECT OF, OF, OF THIS COST, THAT INSPECTION FEES, UH, RELATED TO THE COST OF THE PROJECT ITSELF WOULD BE DISPROPORTIONATE TO THE, THE, THE EXPENSES INCURRED BY THE TOWN IN CONNECTION WITH INSPECTING THAT PROJECT
WELL, THE QUESTION, THE QUESTION I HAVE THOUGH, UH, DO YOU WANT US TO HOLD OFF ON APPROVAL TONIGHT? UH, 'CAUSE WE CAN'T GET THOSE ANSWERS TO YOU, RIGHT? UM, AND IT IS NOT THE JURISDICTION OF THIS BOARD.
UH, DO YOU WANT US TO HOLD OFF ON THAT? UH, OR DO YOU WANT IT TO CONTINUE AND THEN WHEN WE GET AN ANSWER, WE CAN GET AN ANSWER TO YOU? I THINK THAT WE, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, WE WOULD PREFER THAT THE BOARD ACT THIS EVENING, AND THAT IF WE NEED TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD FOR AN AMENDMENT OF ITS CONDITIONS, WE WILL DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, OR IF THE BOARD IS WILLING TO MAKE SOME, YOU KNOW, MODIFICATION TO ITS RESOLUTION, UH, AND IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF LANGUAGE THAT CAN BE MODIFIED THIS EVENING, I CAN'T, I CAN'T, I CAN'T, I CAN'T RECOMMEND THAT TO THE BOARD.
AND I, I'M NOT, AND, AND I'M NOT WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT BECAUSE WE DID NOT SET THE FEES.
WE DO NOT HAVE THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON THAT, AND IT'S NOT WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION TO DO THAT.
SO THAT OPTION IS, WE JUST CANNOT PURSUE THAT.
AND, AND WITH COUNCIL ADVICE REINFORCES THAT.
AND YOU KNOW, I APOLOGIZE FOR BRINGING IT UP AT THIS LATE HOUR.
I DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW, UM, YOU KNOW, FAR ENOUGH IN ADVANCE TO RAISE IT BEFORE WE GOT HERE THIS EVENING.
SO, UM, I THINK WE'D LIKE TO GO FORWARD THIS EVENING IF, IF YOU ARE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN, UH, THE RESOLUTIONS AND THEN IF WE, UH, IF WE DO NEED TO COME BACK AT SOME POINT, WE WILL.
AND PROBABLY THE, UH, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, UH, DAVID WILL LOOK INTO IT FURTHER WELL, AS I FEEL REASONABLY SURE THAT THE, THAT THE BODY YOU COME BACK TO WILL BE THE TOWN BOY, NOT THE BLAME BOARD, AS JANET WILL APPRECIATE, WE WILL TAKE IT UNDER ADVISEMENT AND, UH,
UH, UH, UH, THE, THERE ANY OTHER CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE REGARDING, UH, UH, THE PROPOSED DECISION? NO, NOT AT THIS TIME.
ARE THERE ANY, UH, CONCERNS FOR BOARD MEMBERS CONCERNING THE PROPOSED, UH, STEEP SLOPE AND WETLANDS, UH, APPROVAL IN FRONT OF, IN FRONT OF US? IF NOT, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN TWO VOTES.
ONE TO, UH, APPROVE THE STEEP SLOPE, A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPROVAL FOR THE, AND MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
SECOND, UH, UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
HAVEN'T HEARD NONE THAT, UH, THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT IS GRANTED.
AND THE OTHER, UH, ONE WE HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE ON IS THE WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT.
UH, UH, DO YOU HAVE A PROPOSAL TO GRANT THAT PERMIT? SO YOU HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
ALL, UH, UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
SO THE, UH, UM, THE WETLAND WATER PERMIT IS APPROVED.
AND, UH, AND IT IS RECOGNIZED THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT WILL, UH, UH, PURSUE A POSSIBLE, UH, UH, CHANGES IN THE FEES.
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BUT, UH, AT THIS POINT, UH, THIS BOARD CANNOT, UH, ADDRESS THAT.NOW, THE OTHER APPLICATION FOR REGENERON ON IS ON, UM, THAT'S PB 2 1 0 9, AND THAT IS, UH, UH, A CONTINUATION OF A WORK SESSION.
UH, I, I KNOW AT THE, THE LAST PLANNING BOARD MEETING, I REQUESTED MORE INFORMATION ON THE STEEP SLOPE AND, AND, UM, MR. CHAIR? YES, WE ARE, WE ARE, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 2109 REGENERON.
THE SECOND THERE, THERE WAS A, YEAH.
SO THIS IS THE, UH, TEMPORARY PARKING FACILITY? YES.
AND THAT IS THE ONE THAT REQUIRES QUITE A NO, SOME SLEEP, UH, UH, SLOPE ADJUSTMENT.
AND I REQUESTED SOME MORE INFORMATION ON HOW THE SLEEP, THE STEEP SLOPES WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED.
AND IT'S A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF, UH, BE CAREFUL FOR WHAT YOU REQUEST
BUT ONCE I TOOK THE TIME AND LOOKED AT THAT, IT IS A, IT'S A EXCELLENT REPORT.
SO I MUST SAY IT ANSWERED ALL OF MY QUESTIONS, BUT, UH, IT, IT TOOK TIME TO REALLY READ IT AND UNDERSTAND.
UH, THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS REGARDING, UH, THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT? I WOULD JUST NOTE AGAIN, YOU HAVE TWO VOTES.
ONE ON THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND ONE ON THE WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT.
AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I'D LIKE TO RAISE THE SAME CONCERNS, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, REITERATE THEM IN CONNECTION WITH THIS AS WELL.
AND OUR, UH, THIS BOARD RESPONSE SHOULD BE DULY NOTED IS, WILL BE THE SAME.
WITH THAT SAID, AND IF THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS REGARDING THE STEEP SLOPE, I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO GRANT THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, UH, FOR CASE BB 2110.
OH, YEAH, I'M LOOKING AT THE WRONG PLACE.
I CAN, REGARDING PB 2109, SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY TOM, SECONDED BY MR. DESAI.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR GRANTING THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
OPPOSED? HAVEN'T HEAR, HEARD, HEAR, HAVEN'T HEARD.
THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT IS GRANTED.
THE SECOND VOTE IS ON THE WETLANDS PERMIT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTION REGARDING, UH, APPROVAL OF THE WETLANDS PERMIT? IF NOT, I ENTERTAIN MOTION TO, UH, UH, GRANT A WETLANDS PERMIT.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION FOR THAT? SO MOVED.
SO THE WETLAND PERMIT IS APPROVED AND, UH, AND THE POSITION OF THE APPLICANT REGARDING THE FEE IS DULY NOTED.
AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO THE BOARD FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK ON THESE TWO APPLICATIONS WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE AND WE APPRECIATE THE TIMELY, UH, DECISIONS ON THESE.
WELL, IT'S ALSO BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOU AND THE APPLICANT IN GETTING, YOU KNOW, ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS.
AND I, I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS A GOOD MOVE FOR BOTH THE APPLICANT AND FOR THE TAP.
OKAY, SO THE, OKAY, SO NEXT THING ON AGENDA PB 2110.
UH, COULD YOU INTRODUCE THE, THE APPLICATION TO THE BOARD, UH, DEPUTY SMITH? YES.
SO AS STATED BY THE CHAIRPERSON.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PB 21 DASH 10.
PARAIS LOCATED AT 23 SPRINGWOOD AVENUE, P O LEY IN THE R 7.51 FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING
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DISTRICT.THE APPLICANT SEEKS A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT FOR A PROPOSAL INVOLVING THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO CAR GARAGE, AS WELL AS FRONT AND REAR ADDITIONS TO THE EXISTING RESIDENCE.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DEMOLISH EXISTING RETAINING WALLS AND STAIRCASES AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO CAR GARAGE, A NEW STAIRWAY UP TO THE HOUSE WITH PLANTERS, AN EXTENDED FRONT ENTRANCE TO THE HOUSE, AND A RETAINING WALL.
THE APPLICANT CURRENTLY DOES NOT HAVE A DRIVEWAY OR GARAGE.
THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICATION, EXCUSE ME, HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WHO'S DETERMINED THAT THE FOLLOWING FIVE AREA VARIANCES ARE REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
ONE FRONT SETBACK TO PRINCIPAL BUILDING FROM 20 FEET REQUIRED TO 17.5 FEET.
PROPOSED TWO ACCESSORY STRUCTURE SETBACK TO PRINCIPAL BUILDING FROM 10 FEET REQUIRED TO 3.666 FEET.
PROPOSED THREE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE SETBACK TO SIDE YARD FROM 10 FEET REQUIRED TO ZERO FEET.
PROPOSED FOUR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE COVERAGE FROM 6% PERMITTED TO 6.4% PROPOSED, AND FIVE TO PERMIT AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN A FRONT YARD, WHICH IS NOT REQUIRED IN THIS ZONE.
PROCEDURALLY, THE PLANNING BOARD SHOULD CONSIDER ISSUING ITS RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS ON THE AREA VARIANCES REQUIRED.
THE APPLICANT AND ITS REPRESENTATIVE ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING.
THE FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT PRESENT ITS REVISIONS SINCE OUR LAST MEETING AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD.
SO WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME.
AND IT, WE, WE HAVE ENABLED THE SHARE SCREEN FUNCTION IF YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE THE DRAWINGS.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY, I HAVE THEM AVAILABLE AND I CAN SHARE THEM.
HOW ARE YOU? UM, SO IT, IT'S VERY, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT JUST SAID SOUNDS VERY TECHNICAL, BUT I JUST WANNA GIVE IT LIKE A MORE SIMPLE, SIMPLIFIED VERSION OF THE REASON WE WANT TO DO THAT.
'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF DESTRUCTION GOING ON, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST LIKE, I'M, WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR BASIC STUFF, WHICH IS LIKE PRIVACY AND SAFETY.
AND UH, AS I SAID TO THE BOARD BEFORE, YOU KNOW, UM, OUR NEIGHBORING, UH, UH, OUR NEIGHBOR HAS A, A DRIVEWAY AND A GARAGE.
THEN OUR OTHER NEIGHBORS HAVE, UH, TWO CARPORTS AND MYSELF, OUR HOME, AND TWO OTHER HOMES DON'T HAVE, UM, A PARKING SPACE, DON'T HAVE A GARAGE OR DRIVEWAY.
SO WE HAVE HAD CLOSE ENCOUNTERS WITH OUR EIGHT YEAR OLD DAUGHTER AND OUR DOGS IN REGARDS TO THE TRUCKS COMING IN QUICKLY.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, NOT BEING VERY CAREFUL OF THEIR SURROUNDINGS BECAUSE OF THE NARROW STREET AS WELL.
AND, UH, EVEN OUR DOG WAS HI, UH, HIT BY A CAR BECAUSE OF THE, THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION.
OUR CARS HAVE BEEN DENTED, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS, THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF DAMAGE.
UH, YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR 14 YEARS AS WHEN WE BOUGHT THIS HOME.
WE LOVED, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PRIVACY.
WE LOVED THE, THE PRIVACY OF IT BEING, YOU KNOW, UM, A DEAD END STREET.
AND THE VIEW, WE CAME FROM THE CITY, SO WE WERE LIKE ENAMORED BY, YOU KNOW, OUR LITTLE SUBURBIAN NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE REALITY OF, OH, WE DON'T HAVE A GARAGE, OR OUR ENTRANCEWAY IS, IS VERY STRANGE.
SO LIKE ON THE FIRST WEEK WE WERE THERE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE THERE AND I GUESS THE PREVIOUS OWNERS HAD SOMETHING GOING ON PERSONALLY, AND I GUESS THEY CAME INTO OUR, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE FRONT ENTRANCE, AS YOU CAN SEE.
UH, THE FIRST, THE FIRST WINDOW AS YOU COME IN THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE STAIRS, THAT'S OUR BEDROOM.
SO AT NIGHT THEY CAME IN AND, AND SPOOKED US WITH A FLASHLIGHT.
BUT YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S SORT OF LIKE, WOW, WE'VE BEEN HERE LIKE A FEW DAYS AND WE'RE READY.
UH, REALIZED, WELL, WE CAN'T REALLY OPEN OUR WINDOWS, YOU KNOW, U P S, UH, FEDEX, AMAZON NOW, YOU KNOW, THEY ALWAYS COME IN AND YOU COULD, THEY COULD LOOK THROUGH OUR WINDOWS, MYSELF AND OUR DOOR'S BEDROOM, SO THERE'S NO PRIVACY, RIGHT? WE NEVER HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REALLY OPEN OUR WINDOWS AND LOOK OUT THE FRONT DOOR, JUST LIKE BASIC STUFF OF, OF PRIVACY.
AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME AWKWARD, YOU KNOW, ENCOUNTERS AS WELL.
AND THEN JUST LIKE THE, THE PROPERTY DAMAGE BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE A GARAGE TO STORE OUR, YOU KNOW, THE TWO CARS, RIGHT? 'CAUSE WE HAVE TWO CARS, AND THEN ALSO THE, THE GARBAGE, UH, RECEPTACLES, THEY'RE ALL OUTSIDE.
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WE WOULD USE OUR GARAGE TO PUT ALL OUR THINGS TO STORE AND TO HAVE SAFETY FOR OUR, OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR CARS AND TO HAVE, UH, SAFETY FOR OUR, OUR CHILD WITH ALL THIS LIKE TRUCKS COMING IN AND OUT.AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ON THE, ON THE NARROW STREET.
AND ALSO JUST TO HAVE PRIVACY.
IF YOU WERE TO BUILD A HOME RIGHT NOW, YOU, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HOME BUYING, AND THAT'S WHEN WE BOUGHT A HOUSE.
I DIDN'T HAVE A, A GARAGE AND THAT FUNNY ENTRANCE WAY, AND WE DIDN'T REALIZE HOW UNPRIVATE IT WAS.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY THE REASON WE WANNA DO THESE PROJECTS.
WE'VE BEEN LIVING IN THE HOME FOR 14 YEARS.
WE, WE LOVE OUR LITTLE SIX HOME COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN VERY, IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO MAKE THESE CHANGES, BUT AT THIS POINT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TOO MANY CLOSE ENCOUNTERS.
I THINK THAT WE, WE NEED TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO INVEST AND WE DON'T, WE WANNA MOVE.
WE WANNA STAY IN OUR, IN OUR LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE HAVE OUR NEIGHBOR SUPPORT, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, WE GIVE THE LETTERS IN REGARDS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR NEIGHBOR SUPPORT.
AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PRETTY BASIC.
LIKE, I, I KIND OF SAID THIS BEFORE, AND THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE THE MAIN REASON.
AND THEN LIKE, THE DETAILED REASON WOULD BE MY HUSBAND AND OUR ARCHITECT, ERIC, THAT WOULD COME WITH THE DETAILS OF ANY QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO, YOU KNOW, ARCHITECTURAL ASPECT OF THE PROJECT.
AT THIS POINT, WE, YOU KNOW, WE FULLY UNDERSTAND AND WE COULD APPRECIATE THE NEED.
UH, UH, UH, UH, YOU, YOU ARTICULATED WHY IT'S NEEDED, WHAT WE NEED, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT AND BECAUSE WE NEED TO HAVE THAT BACKGROUND IN ORDER FOR US TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION.
BUT WHAT WE NEED NOW IS, IS THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING OF, UH, UH, OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED AND WHY IS WHAT BEING PROPOSED IS THE BEST AVAILABLE SOLUTION.
UH, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, OF, UH, THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS RAISED BY A BOARD MEMBER IS THAT WHY DON'T YOU JUST PUSH IT FURTHER BACK AND IT WON'T BE SO CLOSE TO THE CURB.
SO WHAT WE ARE LOOKING IS ALL OF THE REASONS THAT, UH, THE GARAGE, UH, CAN OR CANNOT BE PUSHED BACK FURTHER, UH, UH, AWAY FROM THE CURB AND, AND REDUCE THE NUMBER, UH, VARIANCE REQUIRED SO THAT WE, THAT, SO THAT'S THE TYPE OF INFORMATION THAT WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT NOW THAT WE KNOW THE REASONS WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
SO NOW WE NEED TO KNOW WHY THIS PARTICULAR DESIGN IS FITTING, IS THE BEST DESIGN FOR THE HOUSE, RIGHT? YEAH.
THIS IS NICK
SO, UM, THE, MY ARCHITECT ERIC, UH, WILL SPEAK ON THE SPECIFICS AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
AND I'LL COME IN A LITTLE BIT LATER TO GIVE A LITTLE STREET DIAGRAM TO KIND OF GIVE ALSO AN ADDITIONAL VIEW OF WHAT THE STREET ITSELF LOOKS LIKE GOOD.
AND WHY CERTAIN PARTS OF THE STREET ARE VERY WIDE, WHY CERTAIN PARTS OF THE STREET ARE NOT AS WIDE, AND HOW OUR HOUSE, UM, HAS LESS FRONT PROPERTY BECAUSE IT NEEDED STREET PARKING THERE.
IF IT DIDN'T HAVE STREET PARKING AND IT HAD A GARAGE ALREADY, OUR PROPERTY FRONT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL SIX AND A HALF FEET INTO THE STREET.
SO I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT LATER.
AND THEN, UH, ERIC CAN, UH, TELL YOU ALL THE SPECIFICS AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, UH, ALL THE ARCHITECTURAL STUFF.
WALTER? YES, WALTER, SINCE I MADE A SITE VISIT, I HAVE A FEW OBSERVATION THAT I WANT SHARE WITH THE, WITH THE BOARD.
WELL, WELL, IT MAY, IT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE TO HEAR FROM THE ARCHITECT FIRST.
LET'S LET CORRECT, LET'S HEAR FROM THE ARCHITECT AND SEE IF THEY ANSWER ALL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU VISITED THAT AND YOU MADE A PROPOSAL, WHAT, UH, ALTERNATE PLAN.
SO LET THE ARCHITECT SPEAK TO THAT, AND THEN YOU COULD YEP.
WALTER, I HAVE A, I HAVE A GENERAL KIND OF OBSERVATION TO REALLY ASK THE APPLICANTS THAT WHAT THEY EXPLAIN THE REASON FOR DOING IT.
AND FOR THAT, I HAVE A QUESTION, NOT THE PARTICULAR SOLUTIONS TO THE MARKING, UH, TO, TO THE GARAGE.
UH, NUMBER ONE IS THAT THEY SAY THAT THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC, AND I LIKE TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF TRAFFIC IS THAT THEY ARE REALLY COMPLAINING ABOUT.
UH, I DIDN'T SEE ANY, I WAS THERE A COUPLE OF
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TIMES AND I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING LIKE YOU ARE ON A BUSY, UH, ASHFORD AVENUE OR OTHER KIND OF A STREET.SO NUMBER, SORT OF THE REASON THEY'RE GIVING IS KIND OF LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, OF THE MARK.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE APPLICANT UNDERSTANDS AND EXPLAIN THAT, UH, THE STREET IS DEAD AND STREET, THERE IS A HARDLY, UH, UH, ANY TRAFFIC GOES THROUGH IT.
UH, AND I, IT'S A PRETTY WIDE AREA, SO AS IT IS, I, I DON'T SEE REALLY KIND OF, UH, UH, YES, THEY, THEY COULD HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE OR THREE CAR GARAGE, WHATEVER THEY CAN WANT TO DO TO IT.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IS A REASON.
WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS, UH, AT LEAST I DIDN'T FIND ANY OF THAT KIND OF, UH, ISSUES.
UH, AND, AND, AND THE SEC OKAY.
SO WHAT WE WILL DO, OKAY, WHAT WE'LL DO, OKAY, SO, SO, SO THEY CAN EXPLAIN, OKAY, WELL, CAN, CAN I JUST GO, OKAY.
NO, UH, UH, UH, I, I, THE, THE ISSUES THAT, UH, UH, UH, BOARD MEMBER, UH, DECIDE, UH, RAISED, I THINK THERE'S A VALID ISSUES THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED.
I LIKE TO, HOWEVER, IS TO GET THE ARCHITECT GET THAT INFORMATION SURE.
AND, AND, AND, AND, AND RIGHT AFTER THAT WE CIRCLE BACK, OKAY.
AND YOU ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT MR. KASAI, UH, RAISED.
SO LET'S DO IT THAT WAY WE'RE NOT IGNORING THE QUESTION.
UH, AND NO QUESTION HAS TO BE ADDRESSED BY THE APPLICANT.
BUT LET'S GET THE ARCHITECTURAL ISSUES, UH, ADDRESSED, AND WE'LL CIRCLE BACK TO THAT.
SO LET'S ADDRESS THAT, UH, WHO THE, YOU HAVE SOMEONE TO TALK ABOUT THE WHY, UH, UH, THE GARAGE CANNOT BE PUSHED BACK FURTHER, AND, UH, WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES INVOLVED? SO THAT, THAT TYPE OF THING, I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD.
UM, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY, CHAIRMAN? YES.
I'M AN ARCHITECT WITH LEAD ARCHITECTURE, UH, WORKING WITH NICK AND JOSIE.
AND, UM, THE, THE CHALLENGES ARE, UM, I GUESS, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S KIND OF THE, THE SITE CHALLENGES AND THEN ALSO THE CIRCULATION CHALLENGES, WHICH JOSIE AND NICK HAVE, YOU KNOW, REALLY, REALLY EXPLAINED TO ME AND, AND KIND OF TOLD, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE KIND OF UNDERSTANDS THE STORY OF THEIR, OF THEIR LIVES HERE AND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE IN TERMS OF SAFETY AND PRIVACY.
AND THEY, THEY APPROACHED US AS LEAP ARCHITECTURE BECAUSE WE SPECIALIZE IN THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS OF INHABITANTS AND LIVING SPACES THAT WE DESIGN.
UM, ESPECIALLY AS CONDITIONS CHANGE OVER THE YEARS, AND PHYSICAL, COGNITIVE AND SOCIAL NEEDS CHANGE AS PEOPLE LIVE IN THEIR HOMES.
SO OUR GOAL IS TO ALWAYS KEEP THEM IN THEIR HOMES AND IN THEIR COMMUNITIES THAT THEY'VE INVESTED IN FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE.
ONE OF THE MAIN STRATEGIES IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THIS IS A, IS A SAFE ENTRYWAY.
AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF, UM, REASONS WHY THE EXISTING ENTRY IS A LITTLE BIT TOUGH TO NAVIGATE.
ONE IS THE, THE STAIRWAY ON THE LEFT IS A CLOSE UP OF THE, OF THE STAIRWAY HERE.
IT'S RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE VALLEY OF THE TWO ROOS COMING TOGETHER.
SO IT GETS THE BULK OF WATER, SNOW, AND ICE.
SO, E EXCUSE ME FOR ONE SECOND.
I DON'T THINK THIS, JUST IN THE INTRO, WE HAVE A VERY FULL SCHEDULE TONIGHT.
I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
I, I, WE, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH ALL THIS BEFORE.
WE UNDERSTAND WHY THE ENTRANCE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.
THAT WAS MADE CRYSTAL CLEAR THE LAST TIME WE MET.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS A CONCERN ABOUT THAT.
THE CONCERN, THE ONLY CONCERN THAT I REMEMBER IS WHAT KURT'S BRINGING UP.
SO I, I, YOU KNOW, TO ME, IF THE, I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE BOARD FEELS, I'D LIKE TO FOCUS ON THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT AND, AND MOVE ON FROM THERE.
I, I TOLD YOU THAT'S MY INTENT ALSO IS TO AN ANSWER THE QUESTION, WHY CAN'T YOU, WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES? AND JUST MOVE IN THE GARAGE BACK AND PUTTING THE DECK ON TOP OF THE GARAGE.
THAT WAS THE QUESTION THAT WAS RAISED LAST TIME.
WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES INVOLVED THERE? WHY
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CAN'T YOU DO THAT? OR WHY ISN'T IT THAT A VIABLE SOLUTION? I THINK THAT'S OKAY.SO THERE ARE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A FEW OBSTACLES THERE.
UM, ONE IS THE, THE ELEVATION DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE FRONT DOOR AND GRADE REQUIRE, UM, YOU KNOW, A, A PRETTY GOOD AMOUNT OF STEPS NO MATTER WHAT THE, WHAT THE SOLUTION IS.
AND, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER FOR, FOR, UM, SAFETY OF CIRCULATION AND PASSAGEWAY FROM THE, THE EXISTING SIDE YARD AND DECK AREA TO WHERE THE FRONT DOOR AND PROPOSED SPACES, UM, HAVING THE, HAVING THE GARAGE IN THIS AREA AND A RETAINING WALL FOR THE DRIVEWAY IN ORDER TO ACCESS THE GARAGE FROM THE STREET IS GONNA CREATE A PRETTY DIFFICULT SITUATION AT THIS CORNER TO CONTAIN OR TO, TO BASICALLY CONNECT THE, THE FRONT AND THE SIDE YARDS.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OBSTACLE.
UM, ANOTHER OBSTACLE, AND I'M GONNA SWITCH TO A BLOWN UP.
I SHOW THE BEAR WITH ME, I'M JUST GONNA ZOOM IN SO EVERYONE CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BETTER.
UM, SO MAIN, YOU KNOW, MAIN, MAINTAINING THIS CONNECTION BETWEEN THE, THE SIDE YARD AND THE FRONT YARD, UM, IS PRETTY IMPORTANT.
THE, UM, OTHER OBSTACLE IS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS HERE WITH THE DECK IS A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL BUILD WITH MORE RETAINING WALLS ALL ALONG THE SITE.
AND TO, TO GO THROUGH THE, THE BLASTING, THE DIGGING, THE SCRAPING THAT IT WOULD NEED FOR NOT ONLY THE, THE ROCK LEDGE THAT'S THERE, UM, SEEMS PRETTY PROHIBITIVE FOR THE COST COMPARISON OF THE GARAGE.
AND ALSO THE, UM, THE REMOVAL OF ALL THE RETAINING WALLS THAT ARE HERE BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENT PROPERTIES, UM, IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL DISTURBANCE.
UM, ERIC, COULD YOU POINT OUT, POINT OUT TWO THINGS FOR ME? SURE.
WHERE IS THE, WHERE DOES THE ROCKLEDGE START? IF YOU COULD JUST SHOW ME WITH A CURSOR.
IT'S, IT KIND OF, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY EXPOSED HERE.
WE, I'M GONNA, I MEAN, I KNOW SOME OF IT COULD BE UNDERGROUND AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DIG FOR THE GARAGE.
SO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, TELL ME REASONABLY WHERE YOU'D HAVE TO, WHERE YOU'RE THINK YOU'D HAVE TO START CHIPPING A BLASTING.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S AN APPROXIMATE, LIKE THE, THE ROCK LEDGE IS EXPOSED FOR PART OF THE REAR YARD HERE.
IT'S SOMEWHERE, SOMEWHERE IN THIS RANGE.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S VISIBLE.
SO IT COULD EVEN BE FURTHER FORWARD IF IT'S, IF YOU DUG DOWN, UH, FOR, FOR A GARAGE TO PUT A FOUNDATION IN FOR GARAGE.
IT, IT COULD BE FURTHER FORWARD.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS HAS A LOT OF OKAY.
A LOT OF, UH, SHRUBBERY COVER AND ALL THAT.
SECOND, WHERE IS THE, WHERE IS THE RETAINING WALL THAT YOU'D SAY YOU HAD TO TAKE DOWN TO MOVE THE GARAGE BACK? THERE'S SOME EXISTING RETAINING WALLS HERE.
UM, BEAR WITH ME, I'M GONNA PULL, I'M GONNA TRY TO PULL UP THE EXISTING SITE PLAN.
BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY BUSY AND IT IS, IT IS TELLING, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL IF YOU WOULD HAVE JUST SKETCH OUT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS JUST TO SKETCH OUT WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE BE IF, UH, THE PROPOSED GARAGE WAS MOVED FORWARD.
BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A PLAN, AND WE HAVE TO MORE OR LESS TRY TO FIGURE OUT IN OUR OWN MIND EXACTLY WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, WHICH MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT TO RENDER A, AN OBJECTIVE DECISION ON YOUR PROPOSAL.
I I THINK, ERIC, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IT.
I'VE BEEN SITE VISIT, I MYSELF WITH THE ARCHITECT, SO I UNDERSTAND, BUT I THINK IT'D BE GOOD TO COMMUNICATE WITH PEOPLE, THOSE WHO ARE NOT TECHNICALLY, UH, KIND OF UNDERSTAND THAT IT'D BE GOOD TO SORT OF, UH, MAKE A SECTION TO
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WHAT YOU HAVE PROPOSED.AND I MEAN, WHAT IS PROPOSED NOW, AND THEN WHAT WE ARE ASKING IT TO IT SAY, IF YOU TAKE IT IN THE BACK SO THAT IT DON'T NEED A VARIANCE, AND THEN IT WILL BE A, UH, IT WOULD REDUCE A COUPLE OF VARIANCES.
LIKE YOU WON'T NEED A, UH, KIND OF S SS R STRUCTURE.
IT WILL BE PART OF THE EXISTING BUILDING AS I UNDERSTAND.
AND ALSO, UH, YOU CAN FIGURE IT, IT, IT, UH, IT COULD BE STRUCTURALLY STRADDLED BETWEEN THE EXISTING EXISTING WALL AND, BUT I THINK THE KIND OF CROSS SECTION TOO WOULD BE, AS WHAT WALTER IS SUGGESTING WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
UM, WE DO HAVE A, A CROSS SECTION THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, WHICH I CAN ALSO SHOW BRIEFLY, PLEASE.
YES, THAT WOULD BE GOOD, PLEASE.
AND, UM, THE, SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN, UM, THAT IS EXISTS NOW.
THE STREET IS ACTUALLY UPWARD ON THE PAGE, YEAH.
YEAH, IT'S BUSY, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT'S, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON BACK THERE.
IT SEEMS TO ME YOU COULD AVOID THAT RETAINING, UH, AFFECTING THOSE TWO RETAINING WALLS AND STILL MOVE THE GARAGE BACK SIGNIFICANTLY.
BUT YOU MAY STILL HIT THE LEDGE AND IT DOESN'T, THE OTHER THING IT DOESN'T DO IS TAKE INTO ACCOUNT HOW YOU FIX THE ISSUE OF BEING ABLE TO GET FROM THE BACK YARD TO THE FRONT, FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACKYARD.
THOSE ARE THE TWO CORRECT THINGS THAT I, I CORRECT.
AND, AND IT, IT ALSO IS GONNA CAUSE THE REMOVAL OF EXISTING TREES MM-HMM.
HOW DO YOU GOING TO, HOW DO YOU GOING TO KEEP THEM WHILE YOU ARE DOING THE CONSTRUCTION OF GARAGE? SO THIS, THIS ONE IS THREATENED AND WE ACTUALLY CALL IT OUT AS MOST LIKELY BEING, HAVING TO BE REMOVED, AND MOST LIKELY WILL REQUIRE A PERMIT.
SO IF, IF THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO KEEP THAT, WHICH WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE CONTRACTOR THAT ENDS UP ON THE JOB, I CAN'T, I MEAN, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, FROM EXPERIENCE, THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT WE WOULD LOSE THAT TRADE.
HOW DEEP IS THE GARAGE? ERIC? ERIC? DEEP? UH, YOU MEAN FRONT BACK FROM YEAH, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK FROM 20 FEET, SO IT'S 20 FEET FROM THE OUTSIDE TO OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO COULD YOU JUST KIND OF POINT TO A 20 FEET BACK WOULD BE WITH THE GARAGE RIGHT HERE YOU'RE ASKING CONSTRUCTED.
SO COULD YOU GO BACK, LET'S SAY, WITHOUT AFFECTING ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE TREE, WHICH YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA LOSE ANYWAY, FIVE, SIX FEET EVEN FROM, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE WITHOUT AFFECTING YOUR FLOW OR ANYTHING ELSE? UM, IT'S, IT MAY BE POSSIBLE.
I THINK THAT I'M GONNA, UM, SHOW THE PLAN THAT SHOWS ITS SETBACK FROM THE ROAD WITHOUT IMPACTING THAT FLOW.
SO YOU MADE A REVISION BASED ON THE INITIAL COMMENTS THAT CAME IN FROM THE BOARD, AND I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL TO PROVIDE THAT TO THE BOARD AT THIS TIME.
SO THIS, UM, CAN YOU READ THE, CAN YOU SEE THE NEW STAIR? I SEE THIS DISTANCE, WHAT YOU SET BACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE THERE? I, I CAN'T SEE THAT.
THAT'S, UH, TWO FOOT FOUR IS WHERE WE END UP FROM FACE OF FOUNDATION TO FACE OF FOUNDATION WITH A 20 FEET FOOT DEEP STRUCTURE.
AND THAT PUSHES UP US UP AGAINST, UM, BASICALLY THE LINE OF CLEARANCE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO BUILD, UH, LIKE BASICALLY RECONSTRUCT THE STAIR THAT'S THERE AND THE NEW CONFIGURATION TO ALLOW A MINIMUM OF THREE FOOT EIGHT WITH STRINGERS AND HANDRAILS AND ALL THAT.
AND HOW IS, IS IT ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL THAT YOU ACCESS THAT DECK FROM THE FRONT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, BUT, UH, IS, IS IT ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL YOU HAVE TO GET THERE FROM THE FRONT? I HAVEN'T LIVED THERE, SO I'M ASKING.
UM, UM, I THINK IT'S, I THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION.
IT JUST, IT, IT SEEMED LIKE A MATTER, OF COURSE,
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AND ERIC.NICK, IF YOU HAVE THAT, WASN'T THAT THE, THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THAT IS TO ACCESS THE BACKYARD BECAUSE WE WON'T HAVE BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE BACKYARD UNLESS WE ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE HOUSE ITSELF.
UM, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S TOUGH OVER HERE.
COULD YOU, COULD YOU GO UP LET'S, 1, 1 1 AT A TIME? PLEASE GO AHEAD.
UH, THE APPLICANT WAS, UH, WAS SPEAKING AND THEN CORRECT? YEAH.
SO WOULD, WOULD AN EXAMPLE BE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD A BACKYARD BARBECUE OR SOMETHING THAT RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, ALL THE GUESTS WALKING THROUGH THE HOUSE, THAT THAT'S STAIRCASE, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE LEFT IN PLACE OR REPURPOSED SO THAT FOLKS COULD COME UP THE FRONT HOOK TO THE RIGHT AND THEN GET AROUND TO THE BACKYARD.
WOULD THAT BE ACCURATE? YEAH, SO IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE ACCURATE.
AND LET'S SAY WE WANTED TO DELIVER A SOFA OR A BED OR SOMETHING, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BACKYARD TO DO IT.
THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR AT ALL.
SO ANY KIND OF, ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE DELIVERED WOULD BE COMING THROUGH THE BACK PATIO DOOR.
UM, YOU KNOW, NOT TO MENTION ALL THE KIDS THAT COME, YOU KNOW, PLAY WITH OUR DAUGHTER AND WHAT HAVE YOU, AND, YOU KNOW, BARBECUES, WHAT HAVE WE, WE ARE NOT A BIG PARTYING TYPE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE MORE INTIMATE.
BUT, UM, BUT YES, THAT'S, THAT COULD BE ONE WAY TO LOOK AT THINGS.
YOU HAVE A QUESTION, AND THEN I HAVE ONE.
WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE ELEVATION OF THE ROOF OF GARAGE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? IT'S, UM, DO WE HAVE A, I I THINK ERIC, I'M GONNA PULL UP THAT SECTION THAT I MENTIONED.
IF YOU HAVE A SECTION THAT MAKES IT UP MUCH EASIER TO VISUALIZE.
WANNA GET A HOLD OF US? BEAR WITH ME.
I THINK WE WERE LOOKING AT 10 FEET, RIGHT ERIC? UM, YEAH, 10, 11 FEET JUST TO GET THE TRACKS TO WORK.
AND THEN THE BUILD ON TOP, LIKE THE, THE ROOF STRUCTURE ITSELF, SO YEAH.
KNOW FROM WHERE FINAL GRADE IS GONNA BE.
DO WE HAVE A SECTION THROUGH THAT? WE DO.
UH, AND WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT COULD, UH, THE QUE WITH THE SLIGHTEST PROPOSAL, HOW FAR WILL YOU BE FROM THE, UH, UH, FROM THE STREET? WHO WILL BE THE SETBACK FROM THE STREET? RIGHT NOW IT'S TWO FOOT, FOUR INCHES.
JUST TO KEEP THAT CLEAR AREA KIND OF BEHIND THE GARAGE WITH MORE OF A SIMPLE ACCESS POINT.
AND DO HAVE, I, I THOUGHT THIS LATEST DESIGN INCREASED THE DISTANCE FROM THE, FROM THE GARAGE TO THE ROAD.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS A MODIFICATION.
I THINK THE FIRST SUBMISSION HAD A ZERO.
OH, HOW ZERO NOW IS TWO AND A HALF FEET.
TWO FEET, FOUR INCHES, I BELIEVE.
I REMEMBER IT BEING ZERO ERICA.
THE LAST TIME YOU GUYS PRESENT.
IS IT ZERO MEASURING WHAT, BECAUSE THERE IS A SPACE IN FRONT OF THAT EXISTING WALL FROM THE ROAD.
NOW, WHAT IS THE DISTANCE FROM CURRENT WALL OF THE GARAGE? IS IT, IF IN FRONT OF THAT WALL BEHIND THE WALL TO, BECAUSE THE, WHERE THE STREET ENDS, SEEING HOW IT DOESN'T HAVE A CURB, YOU REALLY DOESN'T KNOW.
YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DISTANCE FROM THE ROAD.
SO A GOOD IN THE FRONT WALKER WOULD BE THE WALL.
SO WHERE IT IS IN REFERENCE TO THAT WALL, THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE, I THINK, ERIC, IF YOU HAVE A SECTION THAT WILL ANSWER A LOT OF HIS QUESTIONS, SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT, PLEASE UH, PRESENT IT TO NEXT TIME.
YEAH, I JUST GOT IT HERE TO FIND IT.
SO I THINK, I THINK THIS IS THE MOST TELLING ONE AND IT'S, IT'S A, THIS IS WHERE ALL THE, THE QUESTIONS IN OUR MINDS GET RAISED BECAUSE OF THIS EXISTING GRADE YEAH.
IS AN IDEALIZED, LIKE, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO PULL A LOT OF STUFF OUT.
AND THIS, THIS REALITY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS HAVE GRADE MORE OR LESS.
UH, AND, AND THIS, THIS AREA TO GET BUILDABLE FOR THE RECONFIGURATION OF DECK, THAT IT'S NEW FOUNDATION AND PEERS BECAUSE OF THE EXCAVATION THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO HAPPEN.
AND WHERE WE THINK WE, I MEAN, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT EVEN CERTAIN IF LEDGE EXISTS EVEN OUT, OUT HERE.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, SCRUB THAT
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STARTS TO GET BARE.SO IT'S, IT'S A TOUGH, IT'S A TOUGH CALL BECAUSE IT'S UNKNOWN.
ERIC, COULD YOU ANSWER WALTER'S? I THINK THE FIRST, I'M NOT, I'M NOT QUITE FINISHED YET.
WE MAKE THINGS CLARIFY BECAUSE THERE SEEMED TO BE A LOT.
IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT DIAGRAM, MY FIRST QUESTION IS, WHERE IS THE FRONT OF THE PROPOSED GARAGE IN REFERENCE TO THE EXISTING WALL? THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION.
AND IF YOU WERE TO, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR DIAGRAM, AND IF YOU WERE TO EXCAVATE, COULD YOU GIVE AN APPROXIMATION OF THE AMOUNT OF ROCK YOU WOULD HAVE TO MOVE? YOU KNOW, NO, YOU DON'T.
WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR AN ELABORATE CALCULATION, BUT SOME SORT OF ESTIMATION OF THE VOLUME OF ROCK THAT HAS TO BE REMOVED, THE VOLUME OF STEEP SLOPE THAT WILL BE DISTURBED IN ORDER FOR YOU TO MOVE THAT BACK.
BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE TO BALANCE TWO THINGS.
ONE IS THE EFFECT ON STEEP SLOPE, WHICH ON ONE HAND WE ARE TRYING TO MINIMIZE IT.
THAT WOULD MEAN THAT YOU PUSH THE GARAGE FURTHER TOWARDS THE STREET.
AND THE OTHER IS TO, UH, UH, UM, SET, UH, SOME SORT OF A, UH, OF A PRECEDENT THAT HAVING THE GARAGE SO CLOSE TO THE ROAD.
SO WE HAVE TO BALANCE THOSE TWO.
AND IN ORDER TO BALANCE THOSE TWO, WE NEED MORE INFORMATION IN TERMS OF THE VOLUME OF, UH, ROCK THAT'S BEING REMOVED, WHICH IS CONTRARY TO THE, UH, THE OBJECTIVES OF THE SLEEP SLOPE, WHERE WE WANT TO MINIMIZE THAT VERSUS WHERE WILL THAT BE IN REFERENCE TO THE EXISTING WALL, SO WE CAN MAKE SOME SORT OF EVALUATE RIGHT NOW.
YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT THERE, WALTER.
WELL, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE EXISTING WALL, WHAT USE THE CURSOR.
ERIC CAN SHOW HIM WHERE THE EXISTING WALL.
CAN YOU SHOW US, WALTER, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE FRONT, THE FRONT, THE RETAINING MIX IS FALL.
SO THAT IS, YEAH, THAT'S ABOUT TWO FEET BE.
WHAT'S THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THAT SPOT, THE GARAGE AND THAT DOTTED LINE THAT EXTENDS TO THE WALL? 2.2 0.4 FEET.
BUT WALTER, UM, AS I UH, MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, WHEN WE WERE TALKING THAT THERE WAS SOME KIND OF WEIRD THING GOING ON WITH THE STREET, AND I THINK I SHOULD REALLY SHOW YOU THAT PART BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TWO AND A HALF FEET BACK, OR TWO FOOT FOUR THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AFTER WE REDESIGNED IT, AFTER MR. DESI'S COMMENTS AND LAST MEETING, UM, I TOOK MEASUREMENTS OF THE STREET AND OUR HOUSE DOES NOT HAVE PARKING, AND OUR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE DOES NOT HAVE PARKING EITHER.
ERIC, DO YOU HAVE THOSE PICTURES OF THE SKETCH THAT I HAVE? THE SKETCH? YEAH.
LET'S, LET'S JUST PULL THAT UP REAL QUICK.
I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS TELLING WALTER, WHICH IS HELPFUL, WHICH IS HELPFUL FOR ME WHEN NICK DID THIS TOO.
SO UNDERSTAND LIKE BEING, LIKE LIVING ON THE STREET THE WAY THEY DO.
UM, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET ME, UH, I COULD SHARE MY SCREEN, RIGHT? SHOULD BE ABLE TO, YEAH.
AARON, CAN YOU SHARE A SCREEN? YES.
THAT FUNCTIONS, THAT FUNCTION'S AVAILABLE.
LEMME SEE IF I CAN, THIS IS AN INTERESTING PROJECT.
SO CAN YOU GUYS SEE MY SCREEN NOW? NO, WE CAN'T.
HERE, YOU KNOW WHAT, I, I HAVE IT UP NICK ALL, SO THEN FORGET.
SO, UM, IF YOU, LET ME WALK YOU LEFT TO RIGHT HERE.
UM, THIS IS SPRINGWOOD AVENUE, THE STREET ITSELF ON THE LEFT SIDE, ALL THE WAY WHERE IT SAYS LEY, THE TOWN OF VILLAGE ARDSLEY, I GUESS OWNS THAT STREET, RIGHT? SO IT'S, IT CHANGES BETWEEN 18, 19 FEET TO 20 FEET WIDE, MAXIMUM WIDTH, 20 FEET WIDE.
THOSE HOUSES, ALL EXCEPT FOR ONE, ALL HAVE PARKING.
THE TWO CAR GARAGES, ONE CAR GARAGE, THEY ALL HAVE PARKING, THEY ALL HAVE DRIVEWAYS.
SO AS WE APPROACH, UM, KAUFMAN'S RESIDENCE, UH, WHERE HE, UM, HAS, I GUESS YOU KNOW, HIS PROPERTY, THE STREET BOTTLENECKS AT 13 FEET, EIGHT AND A HALF INCHES.
THAT'S THE BEGINNING OF SPRINGWOOD AVENUE, TOWN OF GREENBURG, RIGHT? THIS IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW BECAUSE, UM, PAUL LANNER AND TIMOTHY LEWIS NOW HAVE SAID THAT THIS STREET IS NOW A PRIVATE STREET.
AS WE MOVE IN A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE HALFWAY THROUGH COFFIN'S RESIDENCE, UH, NOT HIS HOUSE, BUT HIS PROPERTY.
UM, CARS START TO PARK HERE, RIGHT? THERE ARE 2, 3, 4 CARS, WHATEVER.
IT'S, UM, AS WE APPROACH 21 SPRINGWOOD AVENUE, WHICH IS OWNED BY MY BORDERING NEIGHBOR, HA LIKE A GOOD AMOUNT
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OF HER PROPERTY IS, IS THERE IN, IN THE WOODSY AREA WHERE IT'S 20 FEET WIDE.NOW, SHE DOES NOT HAVE PARKING.
SHE DOES NOT HAVE A DRIVEWAY, SHE DOES NOT HAVE A GARAGE.
I HAVE A DOTTED LINE HERE, RIGHT? IF THAT 20 FEET WAS EXTENDED ALL THE WAY THROUGH, RIGHT, BECAUSE THERE'S NO PARKING THERE, THEN MY GARAGE, GIVEN THAT 20 FOOT DISTANCE, WHICH IS THE AVERAGE OF THE WHOLE STREET, MY GARAGE WOULD BE NINE FEET BACK.
YOU SEE, MY PROPERTY WAS REDUCED SMALLER.
SO MY FRONT PROPERTY IS SMALLER THAN EVERY OTHER HOUSE BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A GARAGE.
I DON'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY, I DON'T HAVE A CARPORT.
SO IF THAT WAS REVERSED, I HAVE AN ADDITIONAL SIX AND A HALF FEET TO MY PROPERTY TO THE FRONT.
NOW THAT GARAGE NO LONGER IS 2.4 FEET, IT'S NINE FEET BACK.
ALL THIS IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE.
I THINK THAT THAT'S VERY INTERESTING.
THE ONE THING THOUGH, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I THANK YOU FOR TAKING, UH, UH, GRAPHICS IN HIGH SCHOOL.
UH, BUT THERE WAS A PICTURE YOU HAD UP OF A CAR PERPENDICULAR FROM WHAT I THOUGHT WAS YOUR PROPERTY LINE IN FRONT OF THAT ACROSS THE STREET.
AND IT, IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE YOU HAD THIS ONE.
THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE 26 FEET TO ME.
NO, THAT IS 32 AND A HALF FEET UP.
ERIC, PLEASE SHOW THE ONE WHERE I DRAW THE PURPLE LINE AND THE RED LINE, UH, ACROSS THE STREET FOR EVERYBODY.
ALRIGHT, SO NOW, UM, THIS, UH, WHERE SAYS 21 AND A HALF FEET.
SEE THAT, UM, THAT'S MY OTHER BORDERING NEIGHBOR.
THAT'S WHERE THE GARAGE IS GOING TO GO.
IT'S, HE HAS A DRIVEWAY THAT GOES, YOU KNOW, INTO THE STREET SO THAT HIS SLOPE IS NOT SO BAD.
HE COULD DRIVE, LIKE, KIND OF LIKE IT GOES INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET A LITTLE BIT MM-HMM.
SO YOU CAN CLIMB UP HIS DRIVEWAY AND GO INTO HIS TWO CAR GARAGE.
BUT WHERE MY PROPERTY IS IS 32 AND A HALF FEET, THAT'S WHERE THE GARAGE IS PROPOSED TO GO.
SO IF MY GARAGE AT GOES THERE, THERE'S 32 AND A HALF FEET UP STREET PLUS TWO AND A HALF FEET OF, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THAT WALL.
DID SOMEBODY PUT THE CURSOR WHERE YOUR GARAGE IS GONNA BE ON THIS CURB? RIGHT THERE, RIGHT THERE? NO.
UM, LET ME INTERRUPT FOR A MINUTE.
I THINK AT THIS POINT WE NEED TO HAVE A NOTICE SITE VISITS SO WE COULD REALLY UNDERSTAND THE WAY THIS STREET IS MOVING.
THE WAY THE, THE, THE, THE, THE STREET COMES TO A, A, A, UH, UH, LIKE AN HOURGLASS.
SEE WHAT THE OTHER NEIGHBORS, UH, UH, HAVE IN FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY AND SEE WHAT THE APPLICANT HAVE.
BECAUSE IF THE, YOU SAID 32 AND A HALF FEET, UH, TO THAT WALL AND YOU GOING, UH, ANOTHER TWO FEET BEHIND IT, THAT'S 34 AND A HALF FEET.
YOU SEE, AND, AND I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT TO GET A FULL APPRECIATION OF THIS PROJECT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S, WE HAVE ALL OF THAT.
WE HAVE THOSE PICTURES READY TO SHOW YOU RIGHT NOW.
I, I, UM, THE ONES I SENT YOU TODAY, ALL THE DOGS, THEY HAVE A LITTLE DOG IN THE PICTURE.
YOU USE THE DOG TO MEASURE THE STREET.
WELL, THE, THE DOG WAS, IS THE MAYOR IS THE MAYOR OF OUR BLOCK.
AND SHE JUST LIKES TO GET HER BELLY RUBBED BY LIKE EVERYBODY AROUND.
SO I MISSED PART, YOU KNOW, HERE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I THINK I, I REALLY FEEL THAT, THAT, UH, UH, WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON THIS PROJECT AND WE SEEM TO BE GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES AND NOT GETTING ANY CLOSER TO MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD.
AND I THINK THE ONLY WAY, UH, A K WENT OUT THERE, HE TOOK A LOOK.
BUT I THINK MORE MEMBERS OF THE, OF THE PLANNING BOARD NEED TO GO OUT THERE AND TAKE A LOOK.
SO WE HAVE A REALLY FULL APPRECIATION OF THIS PROJECT AND WE CAN MAKE THAT APPROPRIATE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD.
UH, MR. DESAI WENT TO THE, I THINK, I'M SORRY, I WAS GONNA ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR. DESAI.
UM, YOU WENT TO THE, UH, OUR PROPERTY, THREE OF THE SIX HOUSES WERE ON VACATION.
UH, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU VISITED, INCLUDING US, WE WERE ON VACATION, OUR NEIGHBORS WERE ON VACATION.
OUR NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET WERE ON VACATION.
SO THEIR LANDSCAPERS, THEIR DELIVERIES, THEIR EVERYTHING WERE NOT BEING DELIVERED.
YOU COME ANY OTHER TIME, YOU'RE OKAY.
SO THAT YOU JUST REINFORCE, YOU JUST REINFORCED MY STATEMENT.
THAT, UH, WE HAVE A, A, A, UH, A
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SITE VISIT, A NOTICE SITE VISIT THERE WHEN PEOPLE ARE BACK FROM VACATION, MORE CAUSES ON THE STREET.WE COULD HAVE A BETTER APPRECIATION OF THE CHALLENGES THAT THE APPLICANT IS FACING AND THE CHALLENGES OF, UH, UH, THE ARCHITECT IS FACING IN COMING UP WITH A, A VIABLE SOLUTION FOR, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT.
AND, WELL, WALTER, YES, I MAY, WE MAY, I, I, THIS MAY BE, THIS MAY NOT WORK, BUT, BUT IT MIGHT, TRUTHFULLY, I THINK THE THING THAT'S BOTHERING ME, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S BOTHERING MONA TOO, IS THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN A PICTURE OF THIS GARAGE, TWO AND A HALF FEET IN AND THE ENTIRE STREET BEHIND IT.
IF I COULD, IF I HAD AN ARCHITECTURAL DRAWING OF THAT, I WOULD KNOW HOW MUCH CLEARANCE THERE IS BEHIND THAT, THAT THAT GARAGE.
AND I THINK WE COULD MAKE A DECISION.
I, 'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES.
SO THE ISSUE AT THIS POINT IS I DON'T THINK ANYBODY, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THAT, WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION NOW.
NOW DO WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION ANYWAY? DO YOU HAVE A DRAWING, AN ARCHITECTURAL DRAWING THAT WOULD SHOW US THE TWO AND A HALF FEET IN AND, AND THEN THE STREET BEHIND IT.
ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE STREET, SO THAT WE COULD SEE EXACTLY.
'CAUSE I'VE HEARD, FRANKLY, NICK, I, I, ERIC, I, I HEARD TWO NUMBERS.
I HEARD 26 AND A HALF PLUS TWO, 2.41 TIME, THEN I HEARD ALL OF A SUDDEN 32 AND A HALF.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHICH IT IS ANYMORE.
SO ERIC, I SOLD ON 26 AND A HALF, AND I DON'T KNOW WHOSE HOUSES ARE AND WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING.
UH, OUR ARCHITECT HAS THAT INFORMATION.
SO I JUST, LIKE I SAID, IF, IF WE COULD JUST GIVE US LIKE A, LIKE A FEW SECONDS SO HE COULD LOOK THAT UP AND PUT THAT PICTURE THERE THAT MIGHT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS FOR THE
WE NEED TO GET THE, THE QUESTION, WE NEED TO GET THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION ANSWERED IN THE NEXT FEW MINUTES, RIGHT? OR MY PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO, UH, ADUR THIS WORKSHOP TO A, UH, A SITE VISIT.
AND AT THAT TIME, UH, YOUR ARCHITECT WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THOSE DRAWINGS FOR US.
SO WHEN WE GO TO THE SITE, WE WILL HAVE THOSE DRAWINGS.
WE COULD LOOK AT THE ROAD, WE COULD LOOK AT THE FACT THAT MORE PEOPLE WILL BE ON THE ROAD FOR VACATION IS, IS OVER.
SO UNLESS YOU COULD PRODUCE THAT DIAGRAM IN LIKE NOW RIGHT? THAT I, THAT I PROPOSED THAT, UH, WE, UH, ADJOURN THIS, UH, WORK SESSION TO, UH, A AND HAVE A A, A SITE VISIT.
I, I THINK, WALTER, I AGREE AND I WANNA ADD THAT THE, THE MAIN CONCERN, UH, THAT PLANNING BOARD HAS TO GIVE YOU A EXCEPTIONS TO BRING THIS GARAGE SO CLOSE.
SO VERSUS WHAT WALTER SAID, HOW MUCH OF THE STEEP SLOPE GOING TO BE IMPACTED? SO YOU HAVE TO DRAW, YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO PLANNING BOARD TO MAKE A KIND OF, UH, UH, LOGICAL DECISION ON IT.
UH, AND WE DON'T WANNA DO SET UP A MISSENCE BY SAYING THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE THAT MM-HMM.
SO WE SHOULD GET THAT, BECAUSE THERE ARE CODE AND REGULATIONS, SO IT'S NOT AGAINST YOUR, UH, DESIRE AND CONVENIENCE, BUT IT IS, WE HAVE TO BALANCE BETWEEN THE LAW AND, AND THE CODE AND THEN YOUR, YOUR NEEDS.
SO WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE US THIS INFORMATION THERE.
AND I THINK ERIC, UH, YOU WOULD BE SERVED WELL IF YOU PROVIDE A, UH, SORT OF A SECTION TO IT WHERE THE, WHERE THE DECK WOULD BE AND WHERE THE, WHERE THE STAIRS WILL BE AND ALL OF THAT.
WE ARE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS IMPORTANT, BUT HERE TO KIND OF, UH, MAKE IT A CLEAR, IT'S RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME.
UM, SO I THINK, I THINK WHEN YOU LOOKED AT MY SKETCH, IF ERIC CAN PUT THAT UP, THE, THE STREET DOESN'T, IT'S NOT A, A CONFORMING STRAIGHT LINE.
IT CHANGES AND IT ADJUSTS THROUGHOUT MY PROPERTY IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE IS 32 AND A HALF FEET WIDE.
ON THE RIGHT OF MY GARAGE, IT'S 26 AND A HALF FEET.
AND, AND I'M, I'M NOT THE, SEE, I'M NOT RIGHT HERE DISPUTING WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.
I'M, I FULLY RECOGNIZE YOU HAVE A LEGITIMATE NEED FOR A GARAGE THAT'S ESTABLISHED.
THE QUESTION FOR US NOW IS WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO OBTAIN IT? AND IN ORDER TO, UH, TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO HAVE A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT'S IS,
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WHAT IS THE EXISTING CONDITION AND WHAT WILL BE THE, UH, THE, THE FINAL CONDITIONS AND WHAT, AND WHAT TYPE, UH, OR WHAT WOULD HAVE TO BE GIVEN UP TO ACHIEVE THAT.AS I INDICATE BEFORE, WE WANT TO MINIMIZE STEEP SLOPE, OBVIOUSLY, AND WE WANT TO, UH, UH, PUSH THE GARAGE BACK AS FAR AS POSSIBLE.
SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE HAVE TO WEIGH AND FIGURE OUT HOW BEST TO DO IT.
AND I THINK NOW WE, THE, UH, I, I, UM, AT THIS POINT, I THINK THE ONLY WAY WE COULD DO THAT IS TO GET ADDITIONAL DRAWINGS, UH, AND TO HAVE A SITE VISIT.
I MAKE, I PROPOSE THAT WE, UH, ADJOURN THE, UH, UH, UH, THE WORK SESSION SCHEDULE A PUBLIC, UH, CHAIRPERSON, UH, SITE VISIT.
AND, AND AS THAT'S BEING PULLED UP, IF, IF I MAY, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST CHAIRPERSON SIMON AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THAT YOU CONSIDER, UM, WE COULD DO POTENTIALLY TWO SMALL GROUP SITE VISITS.
AND THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS THIS IS PRIMARILY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD.
THE BOARD WANTS TO UNDERSTAND THE PROJECT, UM, FROM BEING OUT AT THE SITE VERSUS GETTING, YOU KNOW, INPUT FROM THE VARIOUS NEIGHBORS, WHICH WOULD BE CUSTOMARY AS PART OF A PUBLICLY NOTICED SITE VISIT.
SO WE'RE CERTAINLY GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, AND WE DO WANT TO HEAR FROM THE NEIGHBORS, BUT I THINK IF I'M UNDERSTANDING AND READING THE BOARD CORRECTLY, YOU WANT TO GET OUT THERE SO YOU MORE FULLY UNDERSTAND IT.
AND, AND I'M HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE BOARD MEMBERS IN THESE SMALL GROUP SITE VISITS TO THE PROPERTY.
CAN CAN I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION THEN? THIS NEEDS TO GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING, CORRECT? YES, IT WILL.
AND OBVIOUSLY, IF WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION, UH, THAT WE NEED BY THAT PUBLIC HEARING WE'RE IN, NO, WE DON'T NEED TO CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING, CORRECT? CORRECT.
ONE SUGGESTION SO THAT THIS DOESN'T GO ON TOO LONG, WOULD BE TO SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE NEXT TIME.
IF WE CAN GET THOSE INFORMAL SITE VISITS IN BEFORE OUR NEXT, UH, MEETING, WHICH IS THE 28TH, I THINK IT IS.
SO WE GOT PLENTY OF TIME THEN.
SO WE COULD GET THE, WE CAN GET THE SITE, THESE INFORMAL SITE VISITS IN THAT DON'T NEED TO BE NOTICED.
WE COULD, WE COULD, UH, PUT IN FOR THE, UM, PUBLIC HEARINGS SO THAT WE DON'T SLOW THEM DOWN.
AND IN THE INTERIM WE CAN GET THIS, WHICH IS FINE, FINE WORK, BUT NOT ARCHITECTURAL WORK.
UM, THAT WOULD, WOULD MEMORIALIZE THIS IN, IN MORE OF A CERTIFIED WAY.
PLUS WHAT, UH, T'S TALKING ABOUT WHAT, IN TERMS OF, UH, WHAT WE CAN SEE ON THE TOP THERE TOO.
WHAT HE ASKED FOR WAS THE SECTIONS AND GET ALL THAT DONE IN TIME FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, ON THE SIXTH.
THAT WAY WE DON'T SLOW ANYBODY DOWN AND CAN WE GET THE INFORMATION WE NEED? 'CAUSE I MEAN, TRUTHFULLY, UH, IF THERE REALLY IS 32 AND A HALF FEET THERE, WHICH IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS THE, THE IDEA OF PULLING OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY WHEN IT'S ONLY A TWO AND A HALF FOOT SETBACK IS NOT SO BAD.
AND IF THAT IS A STEEP SLOPE, IRRESPECTIVE WITHOUT DOING BORINGS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA KNOW WHAT LIDS YOU'RE GONNA HIT WHEN YOU GO DOWN.
BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA BE CUTTING INTO A STEEP SLOPE THE FURTHER BACK YOU GO.
AND I ALSO THINK THAT LITTLE DOTTED LINE THAT, UH, THEY, THAT WAS DRAWN AS INTERESTING BECAUSE
IT'D ACTUALLY BE FURTHER FROM THE USABLE STREET.
SO I, I, I'M LEANING IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING, I THINK WE NEED TO MEMORIALIZE THAT AND SEE IT.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY PROPOSAL FROM, FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT.
UH, STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THAT.
I, I JUST WANT YOU, THE BOARD TO BE AWARE THAT, UM, WHILE YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY BEGIN THE PUBLIC HEARING COMPONENT, YOU WOULD ULTIMATELY HAVE TO ADJOURN, UM, THE APPLICANT AFTER OBTAINING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS BOARD TO THE ZONING BOARD, WILL THEN PIVOT TO THE ZONING BOARD.
AND I BELIEVE THEY DID MEET INITIALLY LAST NIGHT, AND THEY'RE SCHEDULED TO MEET AGAIN, I BELIEVE OCTOBER 21ST.
SO THERE'S CERTAINLY TIME, BUT JUST KNOW THAT IF YOU DO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE WOULD HAVE TO ADJOURN TO A FUTURE DATE.
EXCUSE ME, GIVEN WHAT YOU SAID, WHAT WE NEED TO DO ON THE SIXTH IS, IS BE ABLE TO BE IN A POSITION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION CORRECT.
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WAIT A MINUTE.DID YOU SAY, BUT AARON, DID YOU SAY THEY ALREADY MET WITH THE ZONING BOARD? THEY JUST HAD AN INITIAL MEETING? THERE WAS, THERE WAS INITIAL DISCUSSION LAST NIGHT.
UM, AND THAT WAS PRE-SCHEDULED BECAUSE THE PLANNING BOARD WAS SET TO MEET ON THIS SEPTEMBER 1ST.
WE, WE, WE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHEN IT'S ON THE DOCKET FOR, AGAIN, DO WE OCTOBER 21ST.
SO OCTOBER 21ST WOULD BE, UH, THE, THE FIRST, THE ZONING BOARD HAVE TO MEET.
SO HOW CAN WE, HOW CAN WE SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING IF WE DON'T HAVE A RESPONSE FROM THE ZONING BOARD? WE DON'T HAVE TO CLOSE, WE JUST DON'T CLOSE.
WE JUST HAVE TO EXTEND IT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO LAY OUT.
I I, I WOULD THINK THAT WE STILL WANT TO SHOOT FOR RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD ON OCTOBER 6TH.
WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT WE NEED TO GET OUT THERE, WE NEED TO HAVE THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT MEMORIALIZED BY THE ARCHITECT.
YOU KNOW, A PROFESSIONAL DRAWING WITH ALL DEFERENCE TO THIS WONDERFUL DRAWING, WHICH WAS VERY HELPFUL.
BUT THE PROFESSIONAL DRAWING, UM, AND LOOK AT THE SITUATION AND SEE, AGAIN, TO WALTER'S POINT AND CHRIS'S POINT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU START PUSHING BACK HOW MUCH EARTH WE'RE MOVING THERE.
AND IT IS ALSO OUR OBJECTIVE TO NOT DISTURB THE EARTH AS WE WANT IT TO DISTURB THE EARTH AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE DID.
LIKE, OKAY, WE DON'T WANT TO TOUCH TREES, WE DON'T WANNA DESTROY THE ROCKS.
WE KNOW WE DON'T WANNA DO IT, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
BUT SOMETIME IT, IT BECOMES, IT BECOMES, UH, UH, UH, A COMPROMISE.
IF YOU SAY YOU DON'T WANT TO, UH, MOVE A TREE, BUT THEN ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU HAVE TO DIG INTO THE ROCK, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, THERE'S NO PERFECT SOLUTION.
YOU HAVE TO BE WILLING TO, UH, DO CERTAIN THINGS AND RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S A CONSEQUENCE TO EVERYTHING YOU DO.
IF YOU SET UP A, A WHOLE SERIES OF THINGS THAT YOU CANNOT DO, THEN YOU ALMOST DICTATING THE DESIGN WITHOUT ANY DISCUSSION.
AND THAT IS NOT WHAT WE WANT TO DO EITHER.
SO WITH THAT SAID, WE WILL SCHEDULE, UH, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE SIXTH.
WE WILL GET THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS OUT THERE TO TAKE A LOOK.
ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL PLANS WILL BE PRESENTED FOR THE OCTOBER, UH, UH, SIX MEETING WITH THE FULL UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL NOT BE CLOSED BECAUSE WE CANNOT MAKE A DECISION UNTIL THE ZONING BOARD MEET ON OCTOBER THE 21ST.
AND, AND THE SITE VISITS, IF THEY'RE AFTER FIVE, SIX O'CLOCK WHEN PEOPLE GET HOME, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE THE BUSIEST TIME.
UH, WE'LL, IT'S GETTING DARK EARLY.
I THINK WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD BE LATER IN THE AFTERNOON, BUT I, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE THAT LATE.
MAYBE, MAYBE AFTER SCHOOL
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE AT THIS POINT.
I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
THEY'RE PUSHING MY TECHNICAL SKILLS GUYS ON, IT'S ALL MY DRAWINGS.
WE HAVE, WE STILL HAVE, UH, I HAVE A, I HAVE, PARDON ME.
OH, I'LL TAKE, I HAVE ONE, ONE LAST APPLICANT REQUESTS.
I AM, I JUST, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE HELP THAT EVERYONE'S PUTTING INTO THIS, WHICH IS GREAT.
AND THE APPLICANT REQUESTED THAT, UM, WE AS THE ARCHITECTURE FIRM WOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ENTRYWAY DESIGN AND PERMITTING WHILE THE GARAGE IS BEING DISCUSSED AS TO GET THAT ENTRY, UM, UNDERWAY BEFORE IT GETS MONTHS LATER IN THE YEAR.
ISN'T THAT CONNECTED? WELL, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
YOU WANNA GO AHEAD WITH A PERMIT BEFORE, IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THERE'S, UM, BEFORE THE PROCESS TO GET THAT THE, THE FRONT DOOR ENTRYWAY THAT YOU CAN DO ENCLOSED STAIRWAY, THERE IS A VARIANCE THERE, BUT THAT'S ALL PART OF THE TOTAL PROJECT.
YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T BIFURCATE IT AT THIS.
NO, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T CHOP IT UP UNLESS YOU PUT IN A SEPARATE
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APPLICATION.YOU GET AN APPLICATION IF THE APPLICANTS WOULD LIKE TO START A BUILDING YEAH, I KNOW.
OUTSIDE OF THE GARAGE ISSUE AND GET THEIR FRONT STEPS ENCLOSED BEFORE WELL IT FULLY UNDERSTAND AND THAT'S AN YEAH.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE ARE SCHEDULING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE, WE GO ON TO GET THE, UH, UM, THE PLANNING BOARD IS MEMBERS OUT THERE.
I THINK MR. UH, UH, MR. SCHWARTZ'S PROPOSAL WAS AN INDICATION OF THE PLANNING BOARD'S COMMITMENT TO MOVE THIS ALONG.
SO NOW WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD INTO, UH, WE HAVE ONE ISSUE FOR THE, OKAY.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SCREEN? IT IS, AND IT'S REALLY KIND OF REF, REF.
IT'S, UH, KIND OF REF, HUH? I CAN SEE EVERYONE.
CAN EVERYONE SEE US? I CAN, I CAN SEE EVERYONE.
WHAT HAPPENED? I DON'T SEE ANYONE WHAT HAPPENED TO MY SCREEN.
I, WE CAN SEE YOU, WE CAN SEE YOU ALL.
I THINK IT'S JUST, I'M NOT SURE, BUT, UM, I CHAIRPERSON SIMON, AS YOU'RE, UM, WORKING ON CORRECTING THAT ISSUE, I, I'M HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, ANNOUNCE THAT WE'LL GO INTO PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE NEXT CASE, PLEASE.
SO FIRST I THINK, UH, WE'LL JUST MAKE SURE BARBARA'S READY FOR US.
MR. SNAGS HERE A NOTE FOR THE RECORD, THAT BOARD MEMBER MICHAEL GOLDEN AND PROSPECTIVE ALTERNATE MEMBER MS. JONATHAN ZARO, ARE NOT HERE THIS EVENING.
IS HE PERSPECTIVE, OR WAS HE APPROVED ALREADY? NO, HE IS IN PERSPECTIVE.
I, I WANTED TO CORRECT THAT FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE EARLIER I SAID ALTERNATE.
'CAUSE HE, HE HAD, UH, UH, BASED UPON OUR RECOMMENDATION, HAD AN INTERVIEW WITH THE TOWN BOARD, THE TOWN BOARDS, UH, ASK THEM TO, UH, UH, TAKE PART IN A PLANNING BOARD MEETING AND THEN, UH, COME BACK AND THEY WILL, YOU KNOW, FURTHER DISCUSS HIS OKAY.
SO, UH, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CASE NUMBER PB 19 DASH 26.
THAT'S THE KAUFMAN PROJECT, LOCATED AT 36 HILLCREST AVENUE, PO ARDSLEY IN THE R 7.51 FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT SEEKS PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS FOR A PROPOSAL CONSISTING OF THE SUBDIVISION OF THREE EXISTING TAX LOTS INTO TWO BUILDABLE LOTS TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF ONE NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME FRONTING ON SPRINGWOOD AVENUE.
THE PROJECT INVOLVES REGULATED STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE REMOVAL OF 24 REGULATED TREES AND PROPOSES THE PLANTING OF 18 NEW TREES AND NINE NEW SHRUBS AS REPLACEMENT ON JUNE 17TH, 2021.
THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS GRANTED AN AREA OF VARIANCE RELATED TO THE NEWLY PROPOSED LOT NOT HAVING FRONTAGE ONTO A ROADWAY BUILT TO TOWN STANDARDS.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT THIS EVENING THE FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT, AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MAY HAVE.
AND, UH, MR. ESCALADES, I HAVE THE DRAWINGS IF YOU WANT ME TO SHARE THOSE.
YOU'LL BE MY, YOU'LL BE MY, UH, MY RIGHT WING.
UM, UH, UH, BEFORE, BEFORE YOU START, I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE THING CLEAR, UH, THAT WE, UH, RECEIVED A LETTER FROM, UH, UH, FROM, UH, UH, I JAMES DIXON, IN REFERENCE TO THIS APPLICATION, INDICATING THAT THERE IS A DISPUTE ABOUT THE ROADWAY, UH, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE PLANNING BOARD TO DECIDE.
SO, UH, SO THERE IS NO POINT IN BRINGING THIS UP.
UH, AND, UH, WE WOULD JUST SAY TO, UH, THE APPLICANT THAT THEY SHOULD TAKE NOTE OF THAT SHOULD THIS GOES TO COURT, THAT THAT COULD POSSIBLY HAVE A EFFECT IF THIS APPLICATION IS APPROVED, BUT WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING THAT ISSUE AT THIS MEETING.
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OFF THE BAT THAT, THAT THAT ROAD THAT SEEMS TO BE IN TROUBLE HAS BEEN SERVING ALL THESE RESIDENTS FOR A LONG, LONG TIME, AND WE'RE SIMPLY GOING TO BE ASKING THE BOARD TO GIVE US THAT RIGHT.TO BE ABLE TO FEED OFF OF THAT ROAD INTO THE NEW PROPOSED LOT.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PROPERTY IS AN OVERSIZED PARCEL OF LAND.
IT LIES WITHIN A 7.5, UH, ZONE.
WE HAVE, UH, MORE THAN ENOUGH, UH, AREA, WE HAVE 23,000 IN CHAINS.
NORMALLY, YOU WOULD ONLY NEED 15,000, SO WE'RE 8,000 SQUARE FEET BIGGER THAN WE SHOULD.
UM, THE, UH, PROPOSAL IS VERY SIMPLE.
UM, AFTER ALL THE SETBACKS ARE IMPOSED ON THE NEW PROPERTY, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE, OF THE DRAWING, WE HAVE AMPLE ROOM TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A HOUSE, UH, AND A DRIVEWAY FEEDING INTO THE HOUSE.
THE SETBACKS AND ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ARE ON THE, UH, FIRST PAGE OF FOUR.
THE NEXT ONE IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE IT ORGANIZED THAT WAY.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE TABLE ON THE LEFT SIDE GIVES US THE, UM, WELL, HERE YOU SEE THE DRIVEWAY IS COLORED IN, IN, IN, UH, GREEN.
AND THE, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE IS PURPLE.
THERE IS AN IMPLIED, UH, BACKYARD.
UH, SO THAT, BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS KIND OF LIKE A DIFFICULT SITE.
SO WE ARE CREATING, UH, SOME TYPE OF RESPITE AREA, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE HOUSE.
WE HAVE, UH, THE RETAINING WALL, UH, UH, CREATING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NATURAL SLOPE ON THE PROPOSED SLOPE.
SIMILARLY, CREATING A SEPARATION BETWEEN THE NATURAL SLOPE ON THE PROPOSED PATIO ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
UM, AGAIN, THAT THERE IS A HOUSE, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS OF, OF A SLIGHTLY LARGER SIZE IN THE UPPER PORTION, IN A HIGHER PORTION OF THE TERRAIN.
IT'S EXISTING, IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE.
UM, SO THIS, THIS OVERSIZED LOT IS THE ONE THAT WE ARE, WE ARE NOW GOING TO BE SEPARATING INTO TWO NEW BUILDABLE LOTS.
UH, AND, AND WE WILL BE EXECUTING, UH, HOPEFULLY THE RIGHT TO BUILD ONE HOUSE.
UM, THE, THE TREE SCHEDULE, UH, WE WENT OVER IT WITH AARON BEFORE THE, THIS WAS ACTUALLY BEFORE THE NEW LAW.
SO THERE WERE CERTAIN, UM, DIFFERENCES IN THE WAY THAT, UH, THIS WAS HANDLED.
BUT A LOT OF THE SPECIES ARE INVADING SPECIES, UM, WHICH BY DEFINITION OF THE NEW TOWN CODE, UM, ARE DESIROUS TO BE ELIMINATED.
I THINK 10 OR 12 OF THOSE TOTAL, UH, TREES WERE OF THAT SPECIES.
WE, WE ARE PROPOSING A SIM TREMENDOUS, A LARGE PROPORTION, UM, OF REPLACEMENT.
BUT THAT, I THINK IT, IT ENHANCES THE SELLABILITY OF THE HOUSE AND THE ENJOYMENT OF WHOMEVER'S GONNA BE IN THE HOUSE.
SO THAT, THAT'S A FAIR EXCHANGE.
THERE, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF EXCAVATION, UH, BUT NOT ANYTHING BIGGER THAN THE, THE TYPICAL 200 5300 YARDS THAT A HOUSE WOULD WOULD NEED FOR REMOVAL.
UM, AND THERE IS ACCESS, AND IT, THERE IS AN AREA WITHIN, UH, SPRINGWOOD AVENUE, WHICH WAS IN QUESTION, AND IT WAS, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, UM, WELL, WE, WE PRESENTED, UH, THIS IMPROVEMENT TO THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE A, A WIDER, UH, PAVED SURFACE IN THE AREA THAT IS NEEDED THE MOST, WHICH IS THE ENTRY POINT INTO THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, SPRINGWOOD AVENUE IS, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S PERFECTLY DRIVABLE, IS IN DECENT CONDITION.
I DON'T SEE, UM, ANY ISSUES WITH IT.
THIS, THIS, UH, SURPRISED ME WHAT YOU SAID AT, AT THE ONSET.
UM, BUT I, I, I THINK THIS IS AS OF RIGHT, WE, WE, WE, WE OBTAINED THE VARIANCE THAT WE NEEDED AS PER THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
AND WE'RE READY TO HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH ANYONE THAT MAY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT? UM, JUST YES.
THANK YOU, UH, AARON FOR REMINDING ME.
THE, THIS HAS BEEN DESIGNED THE, THE, THE SYSTEM TO RETAIN THE 25 YEAR, UM, UH, UM, 24 HOUR SIX AND A HALF INCHES OF RAIN IS, UH, ACCOMPLISHED.
UH, IT IS, IT IS DESIGNED AND APPROVED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
UM, IT'S SAD, SAD TO REALIZE, AND I'VE EXPLAINED THIS TO PEOPLE THAT, UH, THAT, THAT HAVE SAID, WELL, THE ENGINEERS DESIGNED THE DRAINAGE WRONG, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SO MUCH, UH, FLOODING.
AND I, I REMINDED THEM THAT THE ENGINEERS CANNOT DESIGN FOR THE WORST, WORST EVENT, WHICH WOULD BE A HUNDRED OR 150 YEAR STORM.
THIS IS WHAT WE, WE GOT LAST, LAST RAIN EVENT.
AND WE, WE ARE DESIGNING FOR 25 YEAR EVENT, WHICH IS SIGN SIGNIFICANT IN ITSELF.
IT'S SIX AND A HALF INCHES IN 24 HOURS.
SO ANYWAY, THAT, UH, THOSE ARE THE DESIGNS CRITERIA FOR WHICH WE ARE, UM, UH, HELD, UH, UH, FOR THE DESIGN IN, IN, IN THESE CASES IN HOMES.
SO WE, WE, WE DO A MATHEMATICAL COMPUTATIONS BASED ON THOSE NUMBERS.
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WE NEED TO CREATE ON THE GROUND IS REALIZED THROUGH A SYSTEM OF, UH, EITHER DRY WELLS OR CALTECH UNITS, WHICH ARE PLASTIC TRIANGULAR SHAPES THAT CAN BE PUT INTO THE GROUND.SO THIS WENT THROUGH THE SAME ANALYSIS, AND, AND WE'RE PICKING UP NOT ONLY THE DRIVEWAY BY, BUT THE, THE ROAD, UH, SO THAT, THAT HAS BEEN SATISFIED AND, AND, AND, AND HAS BEEN MET, UH, WITH SUCCESSFUL APPROVALS.
SO I, I, I ASKED YOU A QUESTION.
NOW, ACCORDING TO THE CODE, THE STANDARD IS 25 YEARS, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU DESIGNED TO, AND YOU, AND THIS MEETS THE CO ABSOLUTELY COM, UH, MEETS ALL OF THE CODES.
BUT JUST AS A QUESTION IN GENERAL, UH, WE, UH, UH, HAD TWO 500 YEAR STORM IN THE DISTANCE OF, UH, TWO WEEKS.
AND, UH, AND, UH, AND THE QUESTION GOES BEYOND THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.
BUT ONE, A QUESTION THAT I THINK, UH, UH, THE TOWN AND THE BUILDINGS DEPARTMENT, OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS TO LOOK AT, IS WHETHER OR NOT A 25 YEAR, UH, STORM DESIGN IS ADEQUATE, UH, FOR THE TOWN, CONSIDERING NOT THE TYPE OF FLOODING AND THE FACT THAT WE HAD THE 500 YEAR STORM.
SO I JUST, UH, YOU HAVE NO, YOU HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO RESPOND TO THAT.
YOU MEET, NOR THE CODES, BUT IF YOU WISH TO COMMENT ON IT, YOU'LL BE FINE.
WELL, YOU'RE ATTEMPTING THE DEVIL.
I CERTAINLY WILL MAKE A COMMENT.
WHEN WE ENGINEERS GET TOGETHER, THAT'S ALL WE TALK ABOUT.
AND, AND YET THE REALITY OF THE RE RECEIVING END, UM, IS, IS REALLY THE PROBLEM.
SOMETIMES WE CAN GET THE WATER QUICKLY BY ENGINEERING PIPES AT A CERTAIN SLOPE THAT WE CAN CONTROL, BUT WHERE WE CAN DUMP IT TO IS REALLY ALSO THE PROBLEM.
UH, SOMETIMES WE'VE BUILT IN THE WRONG PLACES.
WE, WE, WE, WE BUILT IN THE HOLLOWS.
PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT IS, IS, UH, UH, UM, THE SOUTHERN CITY THAT WAS HIT SO VIOLENTLY, UH, UM, NEW ORLEANS, RIGHT? NEW ORLEANS.
NEW ORLEANS IS ALWAYS GONNA HAVE THE PROBLEMS THAT IT HAS.
AND YET WHEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE ALL THAT LAND AND REPATRIATE, UH, ALL THOSE PEOPLE, UH, TO A NEW HIRE, SAFER GROUND, WE DIDN'T DO THAT.
WE, WE PAID SILLY MONEY TO REBUILD.
SOME OF THEM HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN REBUILT.
UH, AND WE, WE, WE REBUILT IN THE SAME PROBLEM AREA.
SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF SOCIAL POLITICAL ISSUES THAT WE SHOULD BE NOT ONLY LOCALLY, UH, ADDRESSING LOCALLY, BUT NATIONALLY, WE, NOBODY'S PAYING ATTENTION.
THE PRIORITY LIST WHEN WE DO VOTING IS NEVER ENGINEERING.
IT'S NEVER CRITERIA FOR SURVIVAL, FOR SAFETY, FOR HOMES, NOTHING.
WE TALK ABOUT SILLY ISSUES AND, AND WE END UP SPENDING MONEY IN, IN, IN BOMBING PEOPLE SOME OTHER PLACE.
SO WE, THIS SHOULD DEFINITELY TEACH US THAT WE HAVE TO START THINKING, UH, UH, PLANNING IN A MUCH LARGER, UH, UH, UH, UH, UH, WAY AND, AND TO RELEASE THE MONIES FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS.
YES, WE NEED A, WE NEED THAT VIOLENTLY.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT I'M, YOU, YOU WERE CORRECT.
UH, THE CHAIRMAN HAS, UH, UH, I WAS INVITED AT LEAST THE DEVIL
BUT I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT, BUT I, THAT, THAT THE, OR YOUR PROPOSAL HERE IS, IS A MEETING, UH, UH, UH, THE, THE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT COMMENT, THAT, UH, DISCUSSION HAS ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT ON WHAT'S PRESENTED TO US.
MR. WALTER, YOU'VE MADE MY EVENING.
BUT I THINK AS, AS A TOWN IS SOMETHING, UH, THAT WE JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE.
UM, UH, THE REAL QUESTION, IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MR. CHAIRMAN IS UNDERSTANDING EVERYTHING YOU, YOU SAID ABOUT THAT, UH, IS THERE ANYTHING, UH, ENGINEERING WISE THAT YOU'VE DONE THAT, UH, ENHANCES THIS? SO THIS IS THIS, EVEN THOUGH IT, IT'S BUILT TO THE 25 YEAR, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE, YOU, IT'S ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT, UH, BETTER THAN THAT.
WELL, FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THAT, UH, UM, I, I DIDN'T PAY YOU TO SAY THAT, BUT LOOK HOW EASY MY GONNA, I'M GONNA ANSWER THAT.
IF YOU SEE ALL THAT PATIO, ALL THAT IS GONNA BE A PERMEABLE, UH, UH, PATIO.
AND THAT MEANS, UH, AS YOU HAVE DONE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE TOWN, UH, UH, GROUNDS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A VOLUME MUCH BIGGER, WHICH I DIDN'T CALCULATE TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN EXCESS AMOUNT OF, UH, STORAGE UNDERNEATH ALL OF THAT PAVEMENT, BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE EIGHT INCHES OF, OF PEA GRAVEL, WHICH WILL GIVE ME 30% OF VOLUME FOR WATER.
AND, AND SO, SO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS TRY TO DO THAT AND SNEAK THAT
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IN, IN THE IMPROVEMENTS OF THE HOUSE.IN THIS CASE, IT IS, IT IS TOTALLY FEASIBLE, AND IT WILL HELP NOT ONLY PROTECT THE HOUSE FROM BEING AT A LOWER POSITION, BUT, BUT IN ORDER IN BEING ABLE TO STORE, UH, UH, ADDITIONAL STORM WATER.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S THE TYPE OF THING THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UH, UH, UH, ALL ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS TO DO IS BY ALL MEANS, FOLLOW THE CODE.
BUT IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO DO BETTER, YOU KNOW, DO BETTER.
UH, I HAVE A SEPARATE QUESTION, WALTER, IF IT'S TIME.
UM, MR. ESCALADES, I, I NOTICED ON THE DRAWING THAT YOU HAVE, UH, ADDED PAVEMENT ON THE ROAD BECAUSE IT IS NARROWER THERE, BUT IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME IF THE WIDTH CONTINUES THROUGH, IT LOOKS STILL LIKE THERE'S A PINCH POINT AT THE LEY GREENBERG BORDER THERE.
AND SO I DIDN'T WANT TO, UH, VENTURE INTO ANOTHER TOWN.
UM, WE CERTAINLY, WE ARE, WE'RE OPEN TO, UH, ENLARGE THE PAVEMENT FOR A LITTLE BIT WIDER.
I DON'T WANNA DO THE WHOLE ROAD, BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THE TRANSITION BEING TOO SEVERE.
UM, I, I WOULD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE, UH, MY CLIENT TO SQUARE THAT OFF UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO LARRY FROM, FROM LEY, BUT WE WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO THAT.
I THINK WE NORMALLY, IN THESE SITUATIONS, WHEN THE PAVING GETS DONE, IT GETS OVERDONE BECAUSE THERE'S NO REASON TO BE DESPOTIC IN THE WAY WE WOULD ALIGN THAT EDGE.
WE WOULD PROBABLY SMOOTH IT OUT, AND THE, AND THE ACTUAL END RESULT WOULD BE MUCH BIGGER THAN WHAT I'VE SHADED.
UM, I JUST DIDN'T WANNA GO INTO LARRY'S WORLD AND OR MISQUOTE HIM IN ANY WAY.
WE CONTROL THIS, WE THE BOARD US, BUT, UH, IF YOU WANT, UH, AS PART OF THE CONDITION HERE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN WRITE A PROPO, UM, A CONDITION THAT WE ARE TO COORDINATE WITH THE VILLAGE OF ARLEY FOR THE FURTHER, UH, TAPERING OF THIS, UH, IMPROVED AREA.
YEAH, I MEAN, I KNOW WE BROUGHT IT UP WHEN WE FIRST SAW THIS, AND I THINK WE SAW IT ONCE OR TWICE.
AND IF YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO IT YET, I, I FEEL LIKE, UH, YOU KINDA LEFT THAT LYING THERE.
I, I REALLY THINK IT WOULD BE BEST.
AND WE JUST HEARD ANOTHER PROPOSAL ON THE SAME ROAD.
IF THAT ROAD COULD BE CONSISTENTLY RELATIVELY, OR AT LEAST MORE CONSISTENTLY WIDE, IT'S BE BETTER.
I UNDERSTAND EVERYONE'S GONNA BE BETTER FOR EVERYONE, AND THE PROPERTY LINE DOES EXTEND ACROSS THAT.
AND WE CAN CERTAINLY DO WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING.
UH, YES, IT WAS COVERED IN THE MINUTES.
UH, WE INDICATED THAT, UH, UH, EMILIO, THAT WE WOULD ASSIST YOU IN COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE VILLAGE, LARGELY, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, SOME TIME HAS, HAS LAPSED.
WE WILL CONTINUE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO ASSIST YOU IN THAT REGARD.
AND AS AARON HAD NOTED BACK, UH, A, A YEAR AGO, UH, ALMOST TO THE DAY, UH, YOU KNOW, THE REC, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO WIDEN THE ROADWAY, AND THAT CAME FROM ARLEY FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WOULD SEEMINGLY THERE WOULD BE A, UM, YOU KNOW, FEELING THAT LEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT.
AND IF YOU COULD TAKE THE INITIAL STEPS, UM, AND COORDINATE WITH US, WE'D BE HAPPY TO, UH, ASSIST IN THAT.
UM, UH, UH, THERE WAS A, A, A LETTER THAT CAME IN, UH, UH, THIS AFTERNOON, UH, WITH ABOUT, I BELIEVE ABOUT NINE QUESTIONS.
DID YOU GET A COPY OF THAT? THIS, DID I GET A COPY? YES, YES.
I, I, I JUST, THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S A, UH, UH, A POINT I'D LIKE TO MAKE HERE THAT THIS PROPOSAL HAVE BEEN, UH, ON THE AGENDA FOR SOME TIME.
UH, UH, UM, I THINK THE PUBLIC WAS, UH, UH, UH, AWARE OF THIS PROPOSAL AND IT, UH, BECOMES DIFFICULT FOR BOTH THE APPLICANT AND THE PLANNING BOARD TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS THAT COME TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION AT, UH, AT THE DAY OF THE, OF THE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, AND, AND SOMETIMES THERE ARE REALLY LEGITIMATE REASON PEOPLE DON'T KNOW.
AND, AND, AND SOMETHING HAPPENED UNEXPECTEDLY.
BUT I, I THINK IT IS IMPERATIVE ON THE PART OF, OF BOTH APPLICANTS, WHEN WE ASK APPLICANTS FOR, UH, POSE APP, UH, QUESTIONS TO APPLICANTS, WE GIVE THEM SUFFICIENT TIME TO GET BACK TO US.
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AND I THINK IT'S ALSO AN OBLIGATION PART OF THE PUBLIC WHEN POSSIBLE TO PROVIDE QUESTIONS TO THE PLANNING BOARD AT THE, AT THE TIME THE, THEY'RE AWARE OF THESE THINGS THAT EXIST.SO NEVERTHELESS, THERE WERE NINE QUESTIONS THAT WERE POSED TO THE APPLICANT AND I, UH, ASKED IF THE APPLICANT HAD ANY, UH, HAVE ANY ANSWERS TO THESE PROPOSALS, TO THESE QUESTIONS.
WELL, I, I, I READ THE QUESTIONS AND NONE OF THEM, AND I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE OF ANY VALUE, UH, THAT IT WOULD ENGAGE MY ENGINEERING, UH, UH, SOLUTIONS OR, OR RE EXPLANATION OR REEVALUATION OF WHAT I'VE DONE.
UH, I WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY PARTICULAR QUESTION THAT THE BOARD MAY FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT.
UH, I CERTAINLY DIDN'T THINK ANY OF THE QUESTIONS THERE WERE MORE SOCIAL, UM, I'M SURPRISED THAT THIS IS HAPPENING TYPE OF QUESTION.
IN FACT, YOU JUST ADDRESSED IT.
THEY WAITED FOR THE LAST DAY TO SCREAM OUT, I DON'T LIKE THIS, AND IT'S IN MY BACKYARD.
NO, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
YEAH, THERE, THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THE PUBLIC HAS EVERY RIGHT.
UH, AND NO, I'M NOT SAYING THEY NO, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA SPEAK, UH, YES.
SO, UM, YES, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LETTER, LETTER CAME, CAME OUT.
UM, BUT THE, THE PUBLIC ULTIMATELY IS GONNA GIVE IT BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
AND AFTER THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'LL GO BACK TO THE APPLICANT TO RESPOND TO THOSE QUESTIONS VERY WELL.
BUT THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT ESSENTIALLY, WHETHER IT'S IN WRITING OR PERSON THAT QUESTIONS THAT THE PUBLIC RAISED, AND THEREFORE YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO ANSWER THEM.
I JUST DON'T REMEMBER THE QUESTIONS.
SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER, I BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO ASK THEM IN PERSON.
UH, ARE THERE ANY, THEY COULD HAVE ANY, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM, UH, PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS BEFORE I OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC? IF NOT, UH, AARON, COULD YOU ALLOW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK TO THIS APPLICATION? YES.
THE FIRST REQUEST WAS FROM, UH, FATEN.
FORGIVE ME IF I'M MISPRONOUNCING YOUR NAME.
SO I'VE BEEN CALLED WORSE THAN THAT.
UM, I, I TRULY, I'M MISSING THE POINT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HOMES ARE BEING BUILT.
AND I WAS NEVER TOLD OF ANY PUBLIC NOTICE UNTIL THE LETTER THAT CAME AND THE POST OF THE INFORMATION THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT THAT PROPERTY THAT'S NEXT TO ME FOR KAUFMAN.
SO YOU, YOU SAYING THAT THIS WAS NOTICED AND DONE THREE, TWO YEARS AGO, OR A YEAR AGO.
I DON'T FOLLOW THE PUBLIC HEARING BOARDS IN ANYTHING.
ALL I CARE ABOUT IS SELLING HOMES AND HELPING BUYERS.
SO THIS WAS NEVER BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION.
I'M CONCERNED FOR ONLY FEW REASONS.
ONE THAT I HEARD THERE'S GOING TO BE MANY TREES CHOPPED OFF, WHETHER IT'S 22, 21, I DON'T LIKE TO QUOTE ANYTHING.
I HAVE TWO HUGE OAK TREES ON THE SIDE PROPERTY, SO I HAVE NO CLUE WHERE THOSE HOMES ARE GOING TO BE BUILT.
ON WHAT SIDE? I KNOW IT WAS SHANKS PROPERTY.
AND I KNOW IN THAT PROPERTY, WHEN THE PERSON WHO BOUGHT SHANKS PROPERTY THIS EMPTY LAND LAST YEAR, A TREE, WHEN THEY WERE TRYING TO CONNECT TO THE SEWER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I SAW A TRACTOR THAT WAS IN THE PROPERTY.
SOME TREES WERE DOWN, AND A BIG TREE FELL OVER MY PROPERTY.
IT HIT IT, IT CRACKED IT, IT WAS A PLASTIC VINYL, BIG, HEAVY.
SO MY HUSBAND APPROACHED, UM, MRS. KAUFMAN, SHE WALKS THE DOG EVERY DAY IN OUR STREET, SPRINGWOOD.
AND HE SAID TO, IS THIS YOUR PROPERTY? THAT TREE FELL ON THE DOGHOUSE.
SHE LOOKED AT IT FROM THE STREET AND SHE SAYS, NO, NO, THAT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE SHOCKED.
MY HUSBAND AND I ARE SHOCKED THAT SHANKS PROPERTY WAS SOLD TO COFFMAN.
THIS, THIS PIECE OF LAND EMPTY.
SO, LIKE I SAID, EVERYTHING WAS A SURPRISE.
WHEN MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, NICK, IS PLANNING TO USE TO BUILD A GARAGE, HE CAME, HE SHARED HIS PLANS, WHICH WE APPRECIATED.
EVEN THOUGH HE'S NOT AFFECTING ME, HE'S AFFECTING DIXON SIDE.
SO I WOULD'VE EXPECTED OUT OF DECENCY AND COURTESY AND NEIGHBORHOOD THAT KAUFMAN COMES TO
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US.SINCE HE WALKED HERE EVERY DAY, HE DOESN'T SPEAK TO US.
HE COULD HAVE KNOCKED AT THE NEIGHBORS AND SAY, HEY GUYS, I'M PLANNING TO BUILD A HOME.
I WELCOME EXPANSIONS IF IT'S DONE PROPERLY.
BUT I THINK IT WOULD'VE BEEN DECENT FOR HIM TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION TO ALL OF US, BECAUSE I SWEAR, AS OF NOW, I THOUGHT IT WAS ONLY ONE HOUSE IS GOING TO BE BUILT.
BUT I WAS JUST TOLD BY SOMEBODY ELSE, THERE'S GONNA BE TWO HOMES BUILT SO SOMEBODY COULD ENLIGHT ME.
UH, THE APPLICANT WILL RESPOND AT THE END, AFTER ALL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UH, SPEAK.
CAN YOU JUST IDENTIFY FOR THE RECORD FOR THE PHOTOGRAPHER, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? MY NAME IS JOSIE ES 23 SPRINGWOOD AVENUE.
AND NICK ES EN NICK ES WELL, ONE AT A TIME, PLEASE.
WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
COULD YOU, IN ADDITION TO GIVING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, GIVE US A, UH, APPROXIMATELY HOW YOUR PROPERTY IS, HOW CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION, IF IT'S TWO HOUSES DOWN ACROSS THE STREET.
BUT BEFORE YOU GUYS START, WE CAN ONLY HAVE ONE OF YOU SPEAK AT A TIME.
SO ONE OF, SO ONE OF YOU SPEAK, IF YOU'RE DONE, THEN WE'LL BE, THEN WE WILL GO TO THE NEXT.
BUT PLEASE DON'T INTERRUPT EACH OTHER OR, OR GIVE NOTES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
YEAH, I JUST, I'LL, I'LL GO FIRST IS, UM, TWO HOUSE.
WE ARE TWO HOUSES DOWN FROM THAT PROPOSED, UH, PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, UM, TWO.
AND THEN ON, ON SPRING STREET.
RIGHT STREET THAT, ACCORDING TO THIS, UH, THE ARCHITECT, THE GENTLEMAN SAYS, IS IT'S, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS, SEEMS LIKE IT'S SO PERFECT ABOUT IT.
AND OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU GUYS COME AND SEE, OR WHATEVER YOU, YOU COULD SEE AND, AND VIEW AND GIVE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR OPINION OF WHAT YOU ACTUALLY SEE.
SO MY THING, I'LL MAKE IT VERY SIMPLE, AND THEN I'LL, I'LL GIVE IT TO MY HUSBAND.
IT'S 24 TREES, AS I HEARD CORRECTLY.
UH, AND THEY'RE JUST, THAT WAS LIKE A LITTLE, IT'S A LIKE A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, WOODSY AREA OF LIKE EXTRA OXYGEN, RIGHT? BECAUSE LIKE, I, WE KEEP SAYING, WE'RE LIKE, WE, WE LIKE TO KEEP AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE, UH, A LOT OR WHATEVER.
UH, AND THEN THEY'RE DESTROYING ALL OF THOSE 24 TREES.
WELL, I, WE FOUND OUT THE SAME TIME THAT FAT TEAM, OUR, OUR, OUR NEIGHBOR FOUND OUT.
SO NOBODY EVER TOLD US AS WELL THAT THEY WERE PLANNING TO DO THAT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, UH, LIKE WE'RE LIKE TRYING TO SAVE OUR ONE OR TWO TREES THAT WE MIGHT AFFECT FOR, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY WE LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, IT'S SORT OF LIKE, I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE JUST OVERBUILDING OUR LITTLE, YOU KNOW, STREET, OUR LITTLE QUEEN COMMUNITY BLOCK THAT WE HAVE.
AND I, AND I REALLY THOUGHT AT THIS POINT FROM TODAY THAT IT WAS ONE HOME.
NOW IT'S TWO HOMES, AT LEAST IN THAT LOT.
AND I DON'T KNOW, JUST LET, IF I MAY, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU.
I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE CLARITY.
'CAUSE NOW THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I'M HEARING ABOUT MULTIPLE HOMES.
THE PROJECT, AND, AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN SOME CONFUSION AS THE RESULT OF THE ENGINEER THAT SPOKE ON BEHALF, THERE IS ONE EXISTING HOME, WHICH FRONTS ON HILLCREST AVENUE THAT IS TO REMAIN.
AND WHAT THE APPLICANT SEEKS TO DO IS TO CREATE A NEW LOT LINE THAT SPLITS THE PROPERTY INTO TWO TOTAL LOTS FOR THE PURPOSES OF BUILDING ONE NEW ADDITIONAL HOME.
SO I, I, I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT CLARITY.
THIS IS THE DRIVEWAY IN GREEN AND THE NEW HOME IN, IN PURPLE.
UM, SO, SO I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT CLARIFICATION WITH RESPECT TO THIS PROJECT.
AND, AND THE MAIN THING IS, I GUESS THERE, LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S ALREADY A PROPERTY THERE THAT THEY'RE RENTING AND THEN THEY WILL, UH, BUILD AN ADDITIONAL PROPERTY, PROBABLY FOR THE SAME REASON FOR RENTAL.
AND I JUST THINK OUR COMMUNITY, OUR LITTLE SIX HOME AREA IS JUST, YOU KNOW, IT HAS PLENTY OF EVERYTHING THAT IT NEEDS.
AND JUST, I DON'T APPRECIATE THE OVERBUILDING, AND I REALLY DID, WE DON'T APPRECIATE, UM, YOU KNOW, LIVING IN THAT BLOCK THAT NOBODY LET US KNOW UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE.
SO WHEN I HEARD, UM, WALTER SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S SHOCKING TO HEAR THAT SUPPOSEDLY SOMEBODY SAID THAT IT HAPPENED WHEN IT DID NOT.
SO I'LL GIVE IT TO MY HUSBAND NOW, AND SO HE COULD SAY HELLO, UH, NICHOLAS PRECIOUS 23 SPRINGWOOD AVENUE.
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UH, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING MY WIFE SAID.UH, I WANT TO MAKE IT FOR THE RECORD, UM, THAT WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY WRITTEN NOTICE IN THE MAIL REGARDING THIS STREET EXPANSION THAT YOU, UM, THE BOARD APPROVED LAST MONTH OVER THE SUMMERTIME OR WHENEVER THE LAST MEETING WAS.
I ALSO WANTED FOR THE RECORD THAT THERE WAS SOMEBODY WHO WAS APPLYING FOR A, UH, SOME SORT OF PERMIT OR VARIANCE TO BUILD THEIR PATIOS BIGGER THAN WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE.
UM, AND YOU SAID THAT SURFACE WAS, UM, NOT IMPERIAL OR WHATEVER THE WORD IS.
THE THE WATER DOES NOT GO THROUGH IT.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOUR BOARD RULED ON, OR THE Z B A RULED ON THAT.
P GRAVEL IS NOT AN IMPERVIOUS.
IT IS, I DON'T KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS, THE WATER DOESN'T RUN THROUGH IS WHAT THE BOARD DECIDED ON AT THE, UH, LAST MEETING.
ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT, UM, I HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF QUESTIONS WRITTEN, AND WE'VE HAD MANY CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE EMAILED IN TO, UM, AARON AND MATT AS WELL THROUGHOUT THE TIME.
SO THIS WASN'T A LAST MINUTE QUESTION THAT WE HAVE BEEN, UM, SUBMITTING.
WE, WE ALREADY DISCUSSED IT, BUT WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS, UM, FOR, UH, SEVERAL WEEKS NOW, BACK AND FORTH WITH THE TOWN.
UM, THE STREET DOES BOTTLENECK TO 13 FEET, EIGHT INCHES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE LOT.
I DON'T SEE ANY PLAN WHERE THE, UM, KAUFMAN IS GOING TO EXPAND THE STREET TO TOWN STANDARD.
MATT BRITON TOLD ME THE TOWN STANDARD IS 26 AND A HALF FEET WIDE.
AND IF IT'S THE AVERAGE OF THE STREET OF 20 FEET, WHICH IS THE ARDSLEY SIDE, AND WHICH KIND OF GOES INTO THE REST OF THE BLOCK AND THEN EXPANDS, ARE THEY PLANNING ON PUTTING IT TO 20 FEET? AND IF SO, HOW MANY MORE TREES WILL BE DESTROYED? ALSO, ANOTHER QUESTION.
WHEN YOU PLANT NEW TREES, 17 NEW TREES THAT YOU'RE PLANTING DESTROYING 24 MINIMALLY, RIGHT? HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR THOSE TREES TO RETRIEVE, TO, TO REACH FULL MATURITY AND REPLACE THE OXYGEN THAT YOU HAVE NOW TAKEN AWAY FROM US? OKAY.
IS THERE ANY FUTURE PLANS ON THIS? LOTS FURTHER SUBDIVIDE TO BUILD ANOTHER HOUSE? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT, ARE YOU WILLING TO PUT THAT IN WRITING THAT YOU WILL NOT FURTHER SUBDIVIDE AND BUILD ANOTHER HOUSE? I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING WITH THIS HOUSE.
ARE YOU PLANNING ON SELLING IT? ARE YOU PLANNING ON LIVING IT? IS IT FOR YOUR CHILDREN? IF IT'S FOR YOUR CHILDREN, ARE YOU READY TO SIGN A NO RENT DISCLOSURE RENT? YES.
OR IS IT GOING TO BE RENTED? WE DON'T RENT OUR HOUSES HERE.
WE TAKE, TAKE CARE OF OUR NEIGHBORS.
I WIPE THE SNOW OFF MY NEIGHBOR'S CAR.
I MOVE HER CAR WHEN SHE NEEDS IT.
I BRING MY NEIGHBOR'S KIDS TO SCHOOL.
MY NEIGHBOR, UH, THAT I'M BUILDING THE GARAGE ON, HE LET ME USE HIS, UH, POWER GENERATOR.
WHEN THE STORM CAME, I CHOPPED DOWN A, A, A TREE THAT FELL OVER HIS FENCE AND THAT CAME INTO MY YARD.
WHEN YOU HAVE RENTERS, THEY DON'T DO THAT.
UM, HOW MANY FAMILY HOMES WILL THIS BE? WILL IT BE SINGLE FAMILY? ARE YOU PLANNING TO RENT OUT THE BASEMENT AS WELL? HOW MANY CARS ARE GONNA GO THERE NOW THAT YOU HAVE A DRIVEWAY? WHAT'S THE CURB CUT? IS IT GOING TO BE 20 FEET CURB CUT, WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM? WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE CARS THAT ARE PACKING PARKING IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE? WHERE DO THEY GO? DO THEY GO PARK IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE? RIGHT.
THE ONE THAT I'M TRYING TO BUILD THE GARAGE WITH.
OH, I'M NOT, I HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS.
I WROTE THESE IN PER, I WROTE THESE, I SUBMITTED INTO THE BOARD.
UH, WHEN ARE YOU PLANNING ON BUILDING THIS? YOU SEE? 'CAUSE MR. KAUFMAN WENT AROUND TO OUR NEIGHBOR AND HE TOLD US, OH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO THIS FOR THE FUTURE.
WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON BUILDING ANYTIME SOON.
OH, THREE YEARS TO BUILD AS FAR AS THE PERMIT'S CONCERNED.
SO WE'RE NOT REALLY PLANNING ON BUILDING.
SO I WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHEN ARE YOU STARTING TO BREAK GROUND? WHEN DO YOU PLAN TO HAVE THIS, UH, HOUSE MACHINE? WHEN YOU, WHEN WILL YOU INHIBIT MY PATHWAY TO GET HOME? EVERY DAY? BECAUSE I HAVE TO DRIVE PAST YOUR HOME.
AND THERE'S GOING TO BE TRACTORS.
THERE'S GOING TO BE EXCAVATORS.
THERE'S GOING TO BE ROCK CHIPPERS, WHATEVER WAY METHOD, YOU'RE GOING TO DESTROY THAT LEDGE DRAW.
THAT WILL HAVE TO BE IN OUR WAY GETTING HOME EVERY DAY.
ONE MORE, ONE MORE, ONE MORE THING.
WHY HAVEN'T YOU SHARED THE PLANS WITH US WHO ARE DIRECTLY AFFECTED WITH THIS? I WENT TO EVERY SINGLE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE ON MY BLOCK THAT LIVED HERE, AND I SHOWED THEM MY PLANS.
I, WHATEVER WAY I COULD ONLINE THIS AND THAT.
IF THEY WERE ON VACATION, I SENT THEM MY PLANS, EXPLAINED AND ANSWERED ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAD, WHY WASN'T THAT DONE FOR US? AND, UM, IT'S A BIG PROJECT.
IT, IT, IT'S A BIG PROJECT THAT AFFECTS US THE MOST.
DO YOU HAVE ANY NEIGHBORS THAT SUPPORT YOUR PROJECT THAT ARE BORDERING NEIGHBORS? FATEN BYNER IS
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A BORDERING NEIGHBOR.DO YOU HAVE HER LETTER OF SUPPORT? I HAVE ALL MY SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
I HAVE FOUR, WHICH ARE BORDERS.
THE ONE IN ARDSLEY IS BORDERING YOU.
THE PEOPLE THAT JUST MOVED IN.
DO YOU HAVE THEIR LETTER OF SUPPORT? OKAY.
SO I WOULD LIKE ALL THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
ARE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC? THERE IS.
WE DO HAVE MR. DIXON THAT ALSO REQUESTED TO SPEAK.
I LIVE AT 25 SPRINGWOOD AVENUE, WHICH IS THREE HOUSES FROM THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE BOARD'S RELUCTANCE TO DEAL WITH THE LEGAL ISSUE OF THE OWNERSHIP OF ARDSLEY ROAD, OF, UH, SPRINGWOOD AVENUE.
HOWEVER, I STILL THINK THE BOARD HAS AN OBLIGATION TO CONSIDER THE IMPACT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THIS DEVELOPER ON THAT ROAD.
AS, AS YOU'VE HEARD, THIS IS A VERY, VERY NARROW POINT OF THE ROAD.
ALL OF US, ALL SIX FAMILIES THAT LIVE ON THIS ROAD, TRAVEL THAT ROAD EVERY DAY.
OUR KIDS HAVE WALKED UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD.
PEOPLE WALK ON THAT ROAD EVERY DAY.
AND I THINK THAT MR. ESCALADES MADE THIS AN ISSUE WHEN HE SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, HE IS ASKING THE BOARD FOR THE RIGHT TO FEED OFF OF SPRINGWOOD AVENUE, YOU NEED TO TAKE SOME ACTION HERE.
YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ROAD IS PROPERLY MAINTAINED, THAT THE ROAD IS PROPERLY AND ADEQUATELY WIDENED.
AND THAT THE, AND THAT THE NEW DEVELOPER, THE NEW PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE, WHATEVER IT IS, IF IT'S MR. KAUFMAN OR SOMEBODY HE SELLS TO, HAS AN OBLIGATION TO KEEP THE ROTO.
NOW, IN MY LETTER TO YOU, MR. SIMON, OF THE 29TH OF AUGUST, THE DAY AFTER THE TOWN OF GREENBERG, MADE IT CLEAR IN A, UH, IN A COMMUNICATION TO ME BY EMAIL FROM TIM LEWIS, WHERE HE SAID THAT SPRINGWOOD AVENUE IS A PRIVATE ROAD.
THE FIRST TIME THAT HE, THAT HE ACTUALLY PUT THAT IN WRITING TO ANY OF US.
SPRINGWOOD AVENUE IS A PRIVATE ROAD.
AND NOW YOU ARE GOING TO PERMIT AN ENCROACHMENT ON THAT ROAD, ON A PRIVATE ROAD BY YOUR ACTION.
YOU NEED TO, YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
AND I PROVIDED IN MY COMMUNICATION TO YOU A DECLARATION THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER OF MY PROPERTY IN ORDER TO OBTAIN THE, THE, UH, CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IN WHICH THERE ARE SEVERAL CONDITIONS, INCLUDING MY OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE FOR THE UPKEEP OF THE ROAD.
SHOULD THE TOWN COME AND PAVE THE ROAD, WILL YOU MAKE, WILL YOU REQUIRE THIS DEVELOPER TO INCLUDE SIMILAR CONDITIONS IN WHATEVER PERMITS YOU PROVIDE THEM? THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY REGARDING THE ROAD.
AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OWNERSHIP INTEREST, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THE BOARD DOES NOT WANT TO DEAL WITH.
THE SECOND ISSUE THAT'S BEEN RAISED HERE IS THE RUNOFF ISSUE.
MR. ES WAS, WAS VERY INFORMATIVE IN SAYING THINGS SHOULDN'T BE BUILT IN THE WRONG PLACES.
I'M NOT SURE THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THIS BUILDING.
YOU ARE DISTURBING A VARIOUS STEEP AND EXTREMELY STEEP SLOPES.
YOU ARE REMOVING A GREAT DEAL OF PERVIOUS SOIL TREES THAT ARE, THAT ARE, UH, ACTING AS A BARRIER TO THE WATER AND SUCKING IT UP.
WE'VE NEVER HAD A RUNOFF PROBLEM ON THIS STREET BEFORE.
I'M CONCERNED NOW THAT WITH ALL THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, AND WITH MR. ESCALANTE'S DISMISSIVE ATTITUDE ABOUT THESE ISSUES THAT ARE BEING RAISED CONCERNING STORM WATER, THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO CAUSE A PROBLEM.
THE, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG CAME AND PUT CURBS ON THE WEST SIDE OF SPRINGWOOD AVENUE DIRECTLY ACROSS WHERE THIS DEVELOPMENT IS BEING PROPOSED.
THOSE CURBS WERE PUT THERE TO KEEP WATER FROM RUNNING DOWN THE HILL INTO THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE BENEATH IT.
ALONG, UH, EUCLID, I'M AFRAID THAT IF YOU DON'T GET THE STORM WATER RIGHT, THAT PEOPLE IN THE, IN THE, IN THOSE NEIGHBORING HOMES ARE GONNA HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM.
SO I IMPLORE YOU TAKE VERY, VERY GOOD LUCK AT THIS DEVELOPMENT AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE CONFIDENT THAT THEY'RE DOING RIGHT BY THE COMMUNITY, THAT THEY'RE DOING RIGHT BY HOW THEY'RE DEVELOPING THIS PROPERTY, AND DOING RIGHT BY THE HOMEOWNERS WHO HAVE TO TRAVEL UP AND DOWN THIS PROPERTY AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU PUT THE RIGHT CONDITIONS IN THEIR PERMITS SO THAT THEY CAN'T BLOCK THIS ROAD.
IT IS THE ONLY ACCESS WAY WE HAVE TO OUR HOMES.
AND THAT MEANS FOR MORE THAN A MINUTE, BECAUSE
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FIRE ENGINES AND OTHER CITY SERVICES AND TOWN SERVICES NEED TO ACCESS THAT ROADWAY.PLEASE DON'T TREAT IT LIGHTLY.
I JUST, ONE CORRECTION I'D LIKE TO MAKE, MR. DIXON, YOU SAID THAT THE PLANNING BOARD DOES NOT WANT TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUE OF THE OWNERSHIP, UH, OF THE ROAD.
IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH, WE CAN'T LEGALLY DECIDE THE ISSUE.
UH, WE CAN'T LEGALLY DECIDE ALL THE OTHER ISSUES THAT YOU RAISE ARE VALID ISSUES IN TERMS OF THE WATER RUNOFF AND TRAFFIC.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE THE, UH, THE ADDRESS.
UH, ONE THING THAT YOU, YOU DO HAVE POWER OVER, AND THAT IS YOUR REFERRAL TO THE ZONING BOARD OF, OF APPEALS THAT, UM, IN JUNE REVIEW THE APPLICATION AND PERMITTED THE VARIANCE WITH THE MIS WITH WHAT I THINK WAS THE MISUNDERSTANDING THAT THE ROAD IS A TOWN ROAD AND DID NOT KNOW IT WAS A PRIVATE ROAD.
THEY MAY INDEED HAVE, UM, THE, THE, UH, OBLIGATION TO REVIEW THAT, THAT DECISION, AND YOU SHOULD REFER IT TO THEM FOR THAT PURPOSE.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
AND WE'LL CONSULT WITH COUNSEL AND TO SEE IF IN AND THE RECORDS, TO SEE IF IN FACT THAT ASSUMPTION WAS MADE AND, UH, AND SEE IF IT WAS, WHAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE REMEDY FOR IT.
MAY, MAY I MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT.
I DO REFLECT, UM, NICK AND JOSIE'S CONCERNS, BUT ALSO THAT THIS, THIS DEVELOPER HAS NOT REACHED OUT TO ANY OF US.
UM, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I'M HEARING OF THIS, THIS, UM, UH, PROCESS AND, AND THIS BEING BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD, I THINK WE CAME HERE, UH, ON A TIMELY, I THINK MY LETTER WAS TIMELY IN THAT IT WAS THE DAY AFTER I RECEIVED THE NOTICE FROM THE TOWN THAT THEY HAD NO INTEREST IN THE ROAD.
AND, UH, I THINK YOU NEED TO CONSIDER ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE TO.
WELL, WE DEFINITELY WOULD CONSIDER ALL THE COMMENTS, BUT, UH, THAT, AND, UH, THE ISSUE THAT YOU WERE NEVER NOTIFIED THAT WE HAVE A PROCESS WHERE THE APPLICANT MUST NOTIFY THE NEIGHBORS.
SO WE REVIEW THAT AND TO, AND TO SEE IF THAT WAS DONE.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAVE IS THAT A, UH, A SIGN SHOULD GO UP ON THE PROPERTY INDICATING TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT THAT'S SOMETHING BEFORE THE BOARD.
WE WILL REVIEW THAT TO MAKE, TO SEE IF THAT WAS DONE.
I SO IDEA OF THE, UH, OF, OF, OF THE PUBLIC BEING INFORMED IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT AND IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE PROPER PROCEDURES WERE DONE TO INFORM THE PUBLIC.
MR. SIMON, I, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE SIGN WAS PUT THERE, THE DATE WAS CHANGED WHEN THE MEETING DATE WAS CHANGED ON THE SIGN.
UM, AND ALSO I DID RECEIVE A, A WRITTEN NOTICE OF THIS MEETING.
THERE WAS NO PRIOR NOTICE OF ANYTHING PRIOR TO THIS MEETING, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 1ST.
SO MY, SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE LEGAL PROCEDURES WERE DONE CORRECTLY, BUT WHAT THE COMPLAINT HAS BEEN FROM THE NEIGHBORS WAS THAT THIS HAS BEEN BREWING FOR A NUMBER FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, AND THEY WERE NOT GIVEN THE COURTESY, UH, OR ADVISED, UH, OF THE FACT THAT THIS WAS GOING ON.
UM, AND AS, UH, CHAIRMAN SIMON HAS NOTED, WE DO ENCOURAGE APPLICANTS TO DO THAT PRIOR TO THE WRITTEN NOTICE.
IS THAT CORRECT, MS. MR. DIXON? UH, YES.
AND IF THERE WERE PREVIOUS PROCEEDINGS, UH, SUCH AS WORKSHOPS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, WE DID NOT RECEIVE NOTICE OF THAT.
AND THERE'S NO LEGAL, NO NOTICE REQUIREMENT, UH, UNDERSTOOD.
BUT, BUT I, BUT THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING BECAUSE WE DO ASK THE APPLICANT TO DO THAT.
I KNOW AARON WANTED TO JUMP IN IF THERE WAS NO ONE ELSE WHO WAS GONNA SPEAK.
YEAH, I I DID JUST WANT TO STATE THAT, UM, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME CONFUSION BECAUSE THERE, IT WAS ANOTHER BOARD INVOLVED WITH THIS PROJECT, AND THAT WAS THE ZONING BOARD.
SO THE ZONING BOARD HAS DIFFERENT NOTICING REQUIREMENTS.
UH, WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO CHECK IN WITH THE SECRETARY TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS BECAUSE WITH RESPECT TO THE ZONING BOARD, THE TOWN ACTUALLY SENDS OUT THE NOTICES.
SO IF YOU DIDN'T PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED NOTICE FOR THE VARIANCE THAT WENT THROUGH THE TOWN OF GREENBURG ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, PLEASE DO REACH OUT TO OUR OFFICE AND WE WILL CHECK OUR RECORDS ON THAT.
UM, I DID WANT TO NOTE THAT IT WAS THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, AND, AND MR. DIXON DID SORT OF MENTION THIS, THAT THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS WAS THE BODY THAT ISSUED A VARIANCE FOR THE PROPOSED LOT NOT HAVING FRONTAGE ONTO A ROADWAY AND
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PROOF TO TOWN STANDARDS.AND I THINK MR. AND, AND POSSIBLY MRS. PIUS MAY HAVE BEEN CONFUSED BY THAT AND THINKING THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING TAKEN UP BY THE PLANNING BOARD, BUT IN FACT, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WENT THROUGH THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON THAT.
UH, LASTLY, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE, UNLESS THERE WERE OTHER COMMENTS FROM EITHER BOARD MEMBERS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO ADJOURN THIS PUBLIC HEARING, GIVE THE, UH, SEE IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS SUBMITTED BY, BY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
BUT DEFINITELY THEY WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AT A FUTURE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, TO SPEAK.
AGAIN, GIVE MR. ESCALADES AND THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT RESPONSE TO ALL COMMENTS IN WRITING TO THIS BOARD.
UH, AND THAT WE CAN POST THOSE COMMENTS, UH, TO THE TOWN WEBSITE AND PROVIDE THEM TO THE, TO THE NEIGHBORS AS WELL.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AT THIS TIME, AS WE DO HAVE OTHER MATTERS ON THIS AGENDA THIS EVENING.
BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, I JUST WANT TO SAY SOMETHING BRIEFLY, UH, BASED ON A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY, UH, THE PARISI, UM, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WHAT WE DO ON THIS BOARD IS NOT A POP BASED ON A POPULARITY CONTEST, AND THEY DON'T NEED RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE NEIGHBORS TO GET APPROVED OR DISAPPROVED BY THIS BOARD.
UM, WE, WE DO MAKE THE DECISION BASED ON ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS SUCH AS, UH, WHAT THE IMPACT IS ON, UH, DRAINAGE AND ON TRAFFIC.
UH, THOSE THINGS ARE CLEARLY TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT THE DECISIONS BY THIS BOARD ARE BASED ON FACTS, OKAY.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND STATE LAW.
UM, AND DAVID WILL TELL YOU THAT STATE LAW FAVORS THE RIGHTS OF THE LANDOWNERS.
SO WHEN WE GO AHEAD WITH THESE KIND KINDS OF, UH, PROJECTS, WE HAVE TO BE VERY CLEAR OF THE REASONS WE, IF IT DOES NOT GET APPROVED OR WHY IT DOESN'T GET APPROVED IN MOST CASES.
UM, WE TRY TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED.
I REALLY APPRECIATE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP.
THAT ALSO GOES TO THINGS LIKE RENTALS.
YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO RENT YOUR HOUSE, OKAY? YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO RENT TO MAKE IT A TWO FAMILY HOUSE IN A ONE FAMILY ZONE.
BUT, BUT THERE ARE LAWS THAT, THAT, THAT GO, GO TO, YOU CAN ASK THOSE QUESTIONS, BUT THAT CAN'T BE A CONTROLLING ANSWER.
OKAY? JUST THINK ABOUT THE PRIORITIES AND WHAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO YOU IN, IN APPROVING THIS.
AND AGAIN, I WOULD ALSO, UH, I'VE KNOWN MR. ESCALADES FOR A LONG, LONG TIME, AND IT, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE DEVELOPER TO REACH OUT TO, TO THE NEIGHBORS AND EXPLAIN WHAT EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
'CAUSE IT WAS CLEARLY CONFUSING AT THE BEGINNING.
AND, UH, GET THE INPUT THAT MAYBE HE CAN MAKE SOME CHANGES, THAT, THAT WOULD MAKE YOU MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE DECISION.
SO JUST WANTED TO SAY ALL THAT.
UM, I, I THINK THAT, UH, UM, WHAT, UH, DEPUTY SCHMID SUGGESTED IS A, IS EXCELLENT WAY TO MOVE FORWARD, THAT WE WILL GIVE MR. ESCALADES, UH, A TIME TO, UH, COME UP WITH A WRITTEN RESPONSE TO, UH, THE PUBLIC.
AND THEN WE WOULD, UH, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK MS. ESCALADES, YOU THINK YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE THE BOARD WITH ALL, UH, WRITTEN ANSWERS TO ALL THE ISSUES THAT WERE PRESENTED TONIGHT AND BEFORE? HE ANSWERS THE, THE NEXT TWO MEETINGS ARE OCTOBER 6TH AND OCTOBER 20TH, AND WE WOULD WANT RESPONSES AT LEAST 10 DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
SO WHEN DO YOU FEEL YOU CAN DO THAT? WELL, I COULD ANSWER IT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT SEEMS NO, NO, WE WANT IT IN WRITING.
WE CAN, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THOSE COMMENTS.
UM, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED HERE, WE'RE NOT ASKING THAT NO.
WE WANT YOU TO RESPOND IN WRITE YES.
AND WE JUST WANT DATE AT THIS POINT.
JUST WANT A DATE WHEN YOU COULD RESPOND IN WRITING SO WE COULD ADJOURN THIS MEETING UNTIL SET THAT TIME.
SO WE NEED TWO OTHER MATTERS TO GET ON.
SO,
AND, AND, AND I'M, I'M, I'M SURPRISED BY THE COMMENT THAT YOU DID NOT SPEAK TO THE NEIGHBOR BECAUSE AS, UH, UH, VICE CHAIR, UH, SCHWARTZ INDICATED YOU HAVE WORKED WITH THIS BOARD FOR MANY YEARS AND,
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AND, AND, UH, YOU HAVE A HISTORY OF SPEAKING TO THE NEIGHBORS.SO THE FACT THAT YOU DIDN'T DO IT THIS TIME IS QUITE FRANKLY, TAKEN ME AS A SURPRISE, BECAUSE THAT IS HOME.
LET ME FINISH, BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ENCOURAGE ALL, UH, DEVELOPED APPLICANTS TO DO.
SO IF THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, SO MAYBE, UH, 10 DAYS IS NOT SUFFICIENT AND WE SHOULD PUSH IT OFF TO THE OTHER.
SO YOU CAN MAKE THOSE, UH, UH, CONTACT WITH, UH, MEMBERS, UH, OF THE, OF THE COMMUNITIES.
BUT I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU.
BUT I, I, UH, YOU KNOW THAT THIS BOARD ALWAYS ENCOURAGE APPLICANTS TO SPEAK TO THE NEIGHBORS.
I HAVE A SOLUTION FOR THE GARAGE, BY THE WAY.
WE DON'T WANT THIS SOLUTION, BUT THAT'S ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING IN, ON OCTOBER 6TH.
SO I, I WOULD PREFER TO DO IT AT THE OCTOBER 6TH.
THAT'LL GIVE YOU PLENTY OF TIME TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
GIVE YOU PLENTY OPPORTUNITY TO REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS.
THERE WAS, UH, A REQUEST BY ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT.
IT IS UP TO YOU WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO ENTERTAIN THAT.
IT, IT ONLY IF IT'S, IT IS NEW INFORMATION THAT WAS NOT ALREADY BROUGHT TO THE BOARD.
IF IT'S NOT NEW INFORMATION THAT WAS NOT ALREADY STATED, I WOULD PREFER IF, UH, WE FOLLOW THE PROCESS AND, AND, AND, AND LET THE, UH, UM, UH, THE APPLICANT, NOT THE APPLICANT, UH, YEAH, THE APPLICANT ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS IN WRITING.
SO IF YOU, IT'S NOT A NEW QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, THEN I PREFER NOT TO.
IT, IT, IT, IT APPEARS THAT IT'S A REQUEST.
SO, UH, FAINE BY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO QUICKLY MENTION YOUR REQUEST? THANK YOU.
I'M JUST REQUESTING FROM NAME, THE NAME, I'M SORRY.
PET BINDER 21 SPRINGWOOD AVENUE.
I'M THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE MR. KAUFMAN.
I'M JUST REQUESTING, SINCE THERE ARE MAJOR TREES THAT ARE COMING DOWN, IF HE COULD, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE HE COULD MARK WITH, WITH PAINT THAT I COULD PASS BY THE PROPERTY AND SEE HOW IT'S GONNA AFFECT THAT BIG OAK TREE THAT I HAVE THAT THEY, THE, THE ARBOR, UH, EXPERT TOLD ME THAT THE ROOTS UNDERNEATH EXPANDS BOTH WAYS TO MY PROPERTY AND TO TON'S PROPERTY, HUGE, UH, EXPANSION.
I, I FORGOT HOW MANY FEET OR WHATEVER.
I THINK AARON CAN ANSWER THAT.
WHAT WE CAN DO IS, UH, WE WOULD NOT, UH, ALLOW PAINT
BUT WHAT WE CAN ASK, UH, MR. ESCALADES AND HIS CLIENT TO DO IS TO RIBBON THE TREES THAT ARE SHOWN ON HIS PLAN TO BE REMOVED SO THAT, UH, NOT ONLY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC NEIGHBORS, BUT ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, ANY MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD THAT HAPPEN TO GO OUT THERE.
'CAUSE BOARD MEMBERS ARE FREE TO GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROPERTY, GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHICH TREES ARE PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED, AND WHICH ARE REMAINING.
I THINK THAT MAY BE HELPFUL BECAUSE IT'S A WOODED LOT, IT'S A STICK FOR EACH NEW ONE THAT WE'RE GONNA PLANT.
AND, AND MR. ESCAL AND I WERE OUT THERE PROBABLY A YEAR AGO, MAYBE MORE.
AND WE WENT THROUGH TREE BY TREE AND WE EVEN HAD A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFICULTY, UH, UNDERSTANDING WHICH WAS WHICH, BUT ULTIMATELY WE DID FIGURE IT OUT.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL AND BENEFICIAL, AND WE WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT TO DO THAT.
WE NEED A MOTION RIGHT NOW TO YEAH.
TO ADJOURN THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THE JOINT, UH, UH, UH, A PROPOSAL TO ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL OCTOBER.
SIXTH TO THE SIXTH TO THE SIXTH, YEP.
AND THEN WE NEED A MOTION TO CLOSE YEAH.
UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING COMPONENT OF THIS MEETING.
OH, BEFORE YOU DO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE ONE NOTE, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD'VE MENTIONED ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, BUT WE HAD PRE-SCHEDULED A PROJECT CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 15.
EXCUSE ME, THERE'S SOMEONE NOT MUTED.
UM, 2115, THAT WAS THE FOUNTAIN HEAD APARTMENTS.
AND THIS BOARD HAD PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED THAT FOR THAT PROJECT, FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
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RECEIVED BY THE BOARD THAT THE APPLICANT AND ITS REPRESENTATIVE HAD REQUESTED TO BE BUMPED TO THE OCTOBER 6TH, 2021 PLANNING BOARD MEETING.UH, I'M JUST STATING THIS FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES, BUT, UM, I, IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CHAIRPERSON, THAT WAS AGREED UPON, SO WE HAVE SCHEDULED THAT FOR THE OCTOBER 6TH, 2021 PLANNING BOARD, PUBLIC HEARING, AND, UM, NO NOTICES WERE SENT OUT FOR THE INITIAL PUBLIC HEARING DATE THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED.
SO NOTICES AND THE SIGNAGE WILL GO OUT IN ADVANCE OF THE OCTOBER 6TH DATE.
A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING HONOR AND, UH, REVERT BACK TO WORK SESSION.
SO, UH, LET'S, THANK YOU, BARBARA.
SO, SO, UH, WE'RE BACK IN WORK SESSION AND, UH, I'VE BEEN CHATTING WITH MR. HILDENBRAND, SO HE UNDERSTANDS HE'S NEXT.
UM, THE CASE NUMBER IS PB 21 DASH 11.
UH, IT'S EITHER GRIER OR GRIER, UH, SIX CHAUNCEY CIRCLE, AND THAT'S, UH, P O ARDSLEY WITHIN THE R 41 FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT SEEKS PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPROVAL FOR AN APPLICATION INVOLVING THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF AN IN-GROUND POOL, ALONG WITH A RELATED PATIO AREA ON AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY PROJECT INVOLVES REGULATED STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE, WHICH THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE WILL DISCUSS WITH THE BOARD AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. HILDENBRAND AT THIS TIME.
BRIAN HILDENBRAND, THE ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, I GUESS THE SUBDIVISION IS FAIRLY RECENT.
THE, UM, UH, AND CAN EVERYONE SEE MY SCREEN OF THE SITE PLAN BEFORE I, YES.
UM, SO DURING THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THERE WAS A POOL CONTEMPLATED IN THE BACKYARD.
THE HOUSE WAS BUILT, THE RETAINING WALLS ARE BUILT.
THE LEVEL SPOT FOR THE POOL WAS, WAS CONSTRUCTED, UH, BUT THE POOL ITSELF WAS NEVER BUILT.
UH, SO THE CURRENT OWNERS ARE NOW SEEKING THAT APPROVAL FOR A POOL AND PATIO IN THE BACKYARD.
THE POOL, LIKE I SAID, IS ON A LEVELED AREA, TERRACED OFF BY THE RE EXISTING WALLS.
OUR STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE IS MAINLY FOR CONSTRUCTION ACCESS DOWN THE SIDE YARD AND FOR THE DISCHARGE OF THE, UM, OF THE STORM WATER SYSTEM.
UM, JUST REAL QUICK, THE STORM WATER SYSTEM IS GOING TO BE A DETENTION SYSTEM.
UH, WE DID LOOK TO TRY TO INFILTRATE THE SITE.
JUST DOESN'T ALLOW, BASED ON THE, THE TOPOGRAPHY.
UM, THERE'S A FEW INFILTRATION SYSTEMS ELSEWHERE ON THE SITE, UM, BUT WE AREN'T ABLE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, BRING OUR PIPES THERE.
UM, SO WHAT WE CAME UP WITH WAS A DETENTION SYSTEM THAT WILL, UH, MITIGATE UP THE 25 YEAR STORM AS DISCUSSED ON OTHER APPLICATIONS AND DISCHARGE TO A LEVEL SPREADER PARALLEL TO THE EXISTING CONTOURS TO, UM, PROMOTE SHEET FLOW DOWNHILL OF THE, UH, HOUSE IN THE REAR YARD, YARD WOODED AREA.
UH, I JUST HAVE A FEW LITTLE RENDERING JUST TO GIVE THE BOARD AN IDEA.
ALL THE WALLS ARE EXISTING RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS LAWN, IT'S GOING TO BE A, A, THIS LITTLE KIDNEY BEAN SHAPED POOL AND HOT TUB.
UM, WELL, EVERYTHING ELSE IS EXISTING.
SO THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S THE, THE BROAD BRUSH.
HERE'S A SLOPE DISTURBANCE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE SLOPE DISTURBANCE IS, LIKE I SAID, MO MOSTLY FOR THIS SIDE YARD WITH A LITTLE BLIP DOWN BELOW FOR OUR, UH, STORMWATER DISCHARGE.
SO, UH, THIS IS FOR, TO BE BRIEF.
I'LL ANSWER CERTAINLY ANY QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT COME UP.
MY, MY FIRST QUESTION IS THAT, UH, YOUR, YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE DOWNHILL OF THE OVERFLOW OF YOUR RETENTION BASIN.
THERE IS A, UM, A NEIGHBOR DOWNHILL, UM,
AND THEN THERE ARE, THERE IS A HOUSE DOWN BELOW.
IS IS THE LEVEL, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
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UM, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY, YOU, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY, UH, MEETING THE CODE IF YOU MAKE FOR A 25 YEAR STORM.BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT THAT OVERFLOW IS RUNNING DOWNHILL TO YOUR NEIGHBOR.
AND EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE MEETING THE CODE OF A 25 YEAR STORM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT OVERFLOW RUNNING DOWNHILL.
IT IT, MIKE AND I HAVE A FOLLOW UP TO THAT.
IS THE LEVEL SPREADER DESIGNED TO MIMIC, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY TODAY THERE'S WATER, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE MOVING DOWN THE HILLSIDE.
IS IT DESIGNED TO MIMIC THE EXISTING CONDITION? AND FURTHER, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY MAYBE, UM, AND MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING BETTER THAN THIS ALTERNATIVE, UM, TO LIKE, PUT ADDITIONAL VEGETATION AROUND THAT LEVEL SPREADER AREA.
UM, YEAH, I THINK, AND THE ANSWER I BELIEVE IS YES TO BOTH.
UM, THE IDEA OF THE LEVEL SPREADER IS, UM, THE WATER WILL COME DOWN AND DISCHARGE REALLY, AND THE FORCE OF THE WATER WILL GO, MOMENTUM WILL CARRY ACROSS THE WALL AND THEN SHEET DOWN.
UM, THE IDEA OF THE LEVEL SPREADER AS OPPOSED TO JUST THE PIPE, UM, END SECTION DISCHARGE, UM, IS NOT TO CONCENTRATE THE FLOW, BUT TO SPREAD IT OUT AND THEN ALLOW IT TO, TO SHEET FLOW DOWNHILL.
UM, AND TO AARON'S POINT, THERE ARE, UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT WAYS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, ADD MORE STABILIZATION.
YOU KNOW, THE BOLSTERING THE, THE, THE GROUND COVERS DOWN BELOW, I THINK WILL BE A A A WILL CERTAINLY GIVE US, UH, PROVIDE BENEFIT.
UM, SO I THINK WE'D BE OPEN TO THAT, CERTAINLY.
AND MY OTHER QUESTION IS ON THE ACCESS TO THAT, UH, SPREADER AND TO THE POOL ITSELF, ARE YOU GOING ALONG THE SIDE OF, UH, THAT YOUR PROPERTY AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WOULD, UH, UH, BE HELPFUL, AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE APPLICATIONS HERE OF, UH, THE STEEP SLOPE, A CROSS SECTION IS ALWAYS VERY HELPFUL.
SO YOU COULD LOOK AT THE DIAGRAM AND YOU COULD SEE HOW MUCH OF THE ROCK IS BEING A DISTURBED IN ORDER FOR THE PROJECT TO TAKE PLACE.
SO CROSS SECTION IS, IT MAKES IT VERY CLEAR, AND WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND WE COULD SEE THE DEPTH, HOW MANY FEET YOU, YOU, UH, ARE REMOVING ALONG THAT PATHWAY.
AND, UM, I DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO DO A CROSS SECTION, UM, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THIS ACCESS, THE ONLY EXCAVATION IS TAKING PLACE FOR THE POOL.
THERE'S NO TREES BEING REMOVED.
IT'S JUST TO TRACK, UM, YOU KNOW, A SMALL EXCAVATOR DOWN HERE.
YOU SEE HOW FAR APART THE CONTOURS ARE.
UH, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT A CROSS SECTION WILL, UH, PAINT THAT PICTURE ONE COULD BE GREAT.
OH, I'M GLAD YOU DID IT BECAUSE I, I COULDN'T FIGURE THAT OUT BY LOOKING AT THE DIAGRAM.
AND I, AND YOU, AND YOU INDICATED THAT, UH, MOST OF THE, UH, OF THE, UM, C SLOPE WILL BE IN THIS AREA.
SO I WAS WONDERING, WELL, HOW MUCH IS OKAY, BUT A CROSS SECTION TO CLARIFY IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTION BY BOARD MEMBER? AND, AND I APOLOGIZE.
I GAVE SOME, I GAVE NOTICE, BUT IT WAS LATE NOTICE TO MR. HILDENBRAND.
I REALLY ASKED THE QUESTION IF HE HAD THE CROSS SECTION.
'CAUSE I HAD SUSPECTED THAT IT WOULD BE A QUESTION FROM THE BOARD THIS EVENING.
SO HE KNOWS THAT, UH, TO GET IT IN FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AARON, IS THERE A, UM, WHEN, I GUESS WHEN IS THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING AVAILABLE? SO, UH, STAFF AT THIS TIME BASED ON, UH, CURRENT SCHEDULING, WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE PLANNING BOARD CONSIDER PUTTING THIS ON FOR ITS OCTOBER 20TH PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, SO EVEN IF IT TOOK YOU A WEEK OR TWO TO GET THE MATERIALS IN, THAT WOULD BE WELL IN ADVANCE AND WE COULD GET YOU THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE AND THE SIGN TO
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SEND OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS.SO THEN, UH, UH, WITH NO OBJECTION FROM OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, I WILL SCHEDULE THIS FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 21ST.
OKAY, SO LAST, UH, LAST ITEM ON THE OFFICIAL AGENDA, UM, IS CASE NUMBER PB 20 DASH 24.
THAT'S BLOOM ENERGY FOR A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1 51 FULTON STREET, P O WHITE PLAINS.
IN THE IB INTERMEDIATE BUSINESS DISTRICT, THE APPLICANT SEEKS AN AMENDED SITE PLAN APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING BOARD FOR AN APPLICATION INVOLVING THE PROPOSED INSTALLATION OF SIX OUTDOOR NATURAL GAS CLEAN FUEL CELL ENERGY SERVERS TO PROVIDE APPROXIMATELY 1500 KILOWATTS OF BASE LOAD POWER TO THE SUBJECT SITE.
THE INSTALLATION WOULD HAVE A FOOTPRINT OF APPROXIMATELY 2,450 SQUARE FEET AND BE SURROUNDED BY BOLLARDS AND LOCATED WITHIN AN EXISTING PARKING LOT AREA.
THE APPLICANT HAS ADDED A GRAVEL SERVICE AREA AROUND THE SERVERS TO OFFSET THE ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS SURFACES FROM THE PROPOSED PARKING SPACES.
THE PROJECT HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR HAS DETERMINED THAT THE FOLLOWING ONE AREA VARIANCE IS REQUIRED TO CITE AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITHIN THE FRONT YARD AREA.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE HERE THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE PROJECT TEAM NOW.
NOW, AARON
HE SAID, YOU JUST SAID THAT HE, UH, ADDED SOME GRAVEL SURFACES TO, TO MITIGATE THE, UH, THE LOSS OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, BUT GRAVEL IS CONSIDERED AN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, UH, ONLY WHEN IT'S PARKED UPON.
ONLY I CAN CLARIFY OR ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
SO ONLY WHEN IT IS PARKED ON IS IT CLASSIFIED AS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
SO THIS WILL BE A GRAVEL AREA THAT WILL, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WILL NOT BE PARKED UPON.
IT WILL BE AROUND THE SERVERS, AND THEREFORE IT WOULD BE QUALIFIED AS PERVIOUS SURFACE PER OUR CODE.
WE, WE COULD GET INTO THE, THE, THE SPECIFICS OF THE APPLICATION, WHICH WE WOULD DO ORIGINALLY.
I HAD WANTED, UH, UH, UM, STEVE FERRA TO BE WITH US TO SEE THEN TO EXPLAIN HOW THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION FIT INTO THE CODE AND, AND HOW THE DEFINITION FIT AN AUXILIARY STRUCTURE.
UH, UH, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, HE, UH, STEVE WAS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING.
SO WHAT I'M DOING IS JUST REVERSING THE PROCESS THAT WE WILL GET INTO THE APPLICATION, UH, THE EXPLANATION OF THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY, THE, UH, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LANDSCAPE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND THEN AT, UH, AT A FOLLOW-UP MEETING, THEN WE COULD HAVE, UH, WE COULD TALK ABOUT, UH, HOW THIS, UH, APPLICATION FITS INTO THE CODE.
SO WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD HOPE, UH, THE, SO THE APPLICANT COULD GIVE, UH, THIS BOARD A, A, A CLEAR EXPLANATION OF THE TECHNOLOGY THAT'S BEING USED TO GENERATE, UH, UH, ELECTRICITY, ANY ISSUES OF SAFETY AND FIRE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UH, SO THESE IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT AT, AT THIS POINT, THE TECHNOLOGY, HOW IT WORKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND, AND THEN OF COURSE, WE'LL GET INTO THINGS LIKE, UH, UH, THE LANDSCAPE IN THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
SO IF YOU COULD PROCEED ON THAT LINE, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UM, WELL, TO INTRODUCE MYSELF, MY NAME IS KRISTIN BRILLO.
I AM THE SENIOR PERMITTING SPECIALIST FOR BLOOM ENERGY.
ON THIS CALL WITH ME ARE MY COLLEAGUES, UH, DIAL SUMIN, WHO IS THE INSTALLATIONS PROJECT MANAGER, AND BRIAN NUNAN, WHO IS OUR SENIOR POLICY MANAGER.
SO, UH, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS, UH, AS MENTIONED IS, UH, SIX OUTDOOR NATURAL GAS, UM, CLEAN ENERGY FUEL CELL, UH, FUEL CELL SERVERS.
AND THE TECHNOLOGY, UH, BASED ON THESE SERVERS CONSIST OF HOOKING THE CELL, UH, FUEL CELLS UP TO NATURAL GAS.
UM, THE NATURAL GAS ENTERS THE FUEL CELLS AND REACTS, UM, WITH, UH,
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UH, CHEMICAL COMPOSITES INSIDE THE FUEL CELLS.IT IS NON-COMBUSTIBLE, SO THERE'S NO FIRE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
ONCE THESE CHEMICALS REACT WITH EACH OTHER, THAT'S HOW IT GENERATES ELECTRICITY.
AND THEN THE POWER IS EXPORTED FROM THE FUEL CELLS INTO THE GRID AND OUT TO, YOU KNOW, UH, TO THE BUILDINGS TO PROVIDE THE BASE LOAD POWER.
UM, THERE IS SOME WATER THAT IS USED, BUT IT'S ONLY PARTICULARLY USED AT STARTUP.
IT IS NOT USED THROUGHOUT THE, UM, USE OF THE FUEL CELLS.
UH, THE WATER IS USED JUST TO KEEP THE, UM, TEMPERATURE OF THE SYSTEMS AT A STABLE LEVEL AS THEY POWER UP.
BUT WATER, UM, IS TYPICALLY, IS NOT PART OF THE, UH, PROCESS OF GENERATING ELECTRICITY.
UM, THERE IS, UH, JUST, UM, A SLIGHT, SOME CARBON EMISSIONS, BUT THERE IS NO, UM, UH, CARBON DIOXIDE OR ANY, UM, NITROGEN THAT, THAT IS, UH, EXPORTED FROM THE SYSTEMS. UM, THERE, UH, IT'S ESCORTED THROUGH THE BASE, UH, I'M SORRY, THE TOP OF THE SYSTEMS THROUGH A FAN.
UM, THERE IS MINIMAL NOISE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT FAN.
IT'S, UH, JUST, UH, JUST TO KEEP THE SYSTEMS, THE AIR CIRCULATING THROUGH THE SYSTEMS THROUGHOUT, UM, AS THESE SYSTEMS ARE, UM, RUNNING, UM, LIKE IF IT'S OKAY TO SHARE MY SCREEN AS WELL.
I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK IF YOU NEEDED ME TO
I WANT TO SHOW THE, UM, SITE, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
CAN EVERYONE SEE MY SCREEN? YES.
UM, AND THIS IS THE FRONT YARD WHERE WE ARE PROPOSING TO INSTALL THE SYSTEMS. SORRY, I'M TRYING TO ZOOM HERE.
SO THE SYSTEMS WILL BE PLACED AGAIN IN THE FRONT YARD.
WE ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE, UM, A FEW PARKING SPACES FOR THE INSTALLATION, BUT IN RETURN, WE ARE, UM, ALSO PROPOSING THE INSTALLATION OF SEVERAL NEW PARKING SPACES, UM, RIGHT IN THE FRONT OF THE SYSTEMS TO, UH, THE RIGHT OF THE SYSTEMS AND ALSO IN ADDITIONAL SPACE OVER IN THIS AREA.
UH, THE REASON WHY WE CHOSE THIS LOCATION AND NOT THE BACK, ALSO, JUST TO BE CLEAR 'CAUSE THERE'S SOME ROOM IN THE BACK, IS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH CLEARANCE FOR, UM, MAINTENANCE AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO PASS THROUGH THIS AREA.
SO THIS WAS THE MOST IDEAL LOCATION AND SAFEST LOCATION FOR THESE SYSTEMS TO, UM, TO BE ACCESSIBLE.
WE ARE GOING TO BE INSTALLING SOME, UM, ADDITIONAL, UM, ACOUSTIC SCREENING JUST TO, UH, PROVIDE SOME, UH, PROTECTION ALSO JUST, UH, TO CLEAN UP THE AREA A LITTLE BIT.
SO AS FAR AS LIKE A, A STREET FROM THE STREET VIEW, THE SYSTEMS ARE A BIT SCREAMED FROM THE PUBLIC, UM, AND IT'S NOT AS NOTICEABLE OR OUT IN THE OPEN, UH, ALONG RUSSELLS STREET.
UM, AND, UH, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT WITH THE, UM, INSTALLATION.
UH, JUST I GUESS SOME OTHER THINGS WE WILL BE TYING INTO THE EXISTING U UTILITIES.
UH, NO NEW UTILITIES ARE BEING PROPOSED.
UM, SO, UM, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR NEEDS SOME FURTHER CLARITY, YEAH, I DO.
UM, UH, YOU SAID THAT THIS IS A, A, A, A CHEMICAL REACTION OF, OF THE, OF THE METHANE.
COULD YOU GO INTO THE, THE, THE CHEMICALS INVOLVED AND THE CHEMICAL REACTION INVOLVED IN THIS CONVERSION OF METHANE TO ELECTRICITY? SO THE NATURAL GAS IS COMING FROM THE EXISTING GAS LINE.
SO THE CHEMICALS, UM, ARE, IT'S, UH, BASICALLY THE FUEL CELLS ARE, THE BEST WAY TO EXPLAIN IT IS LIKE, LIKE STACKS OF TILES.
AND, UM, EACH CELL IS COATED WITH, UM, SOME SORT OF LIKE IN COMPOSITE.
AND THAT MEDIA OR MATERIAL IS WHAT REACTS WITH THE NATURAL GAS TO CREATE ELECTRICITY.
WELL, IT'S A, IS A, IT IS SOME SORT OF, UH, IT'S A CATALYST WHEN, WHAT TYPE OF CATALYST IS USED TO DO THAT CONVERSION.
UM, IT'S JUST, I JUMP IN HERE, CHRISTINE, IF I CAN.
UH, BASICALLY WHAT IT IS, IT'S ONE SIDE IS A PROPRIETARY, UH, COMPOSITE USING SILICA, WHICH IS BEACH STANDS.
PRECIOUS METALS ARE USED IN THIS APPLICATION.
THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL FOR THE FUEL CELL WAS, UH, TO, UH, GENERATE, UH, WATER ON MARS.
AND THEN, UH, THE FOUNDER OF THE COMPANY REVERSE THE REACTION AND WE'RE ABLE TO, UH, EXTRACT ELECTRONS OUT A BIT BY USING AN ELECTRICAL CHEMICAL REACTION WITH METHANE IN TH FOUR AND
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SPLITTING THE HYDROCARBONS INTO CARBON.AND THE OTHER SIDE WOULD BE WATER, AND, UH, THE BYPRODUCT WOULD BE ELECTRICITY IN A SOLID STATE FASHION.
AND WHAT WILL BE THE PROFILE OF THE EXHAUST THAT COMES FROM THIS? YOU SAID THERE'S NO, YOU SAID THERE'S NO CARBON DIOXIDE, THERE'S NO OXIDES OF NITROGEN.
SO WHAT, WHAT ARE, WHAT IS THE CHEMICAL PROFILE OF THE EXHAUST? SO, SO THERE IS CARBON, UH, AND THE NOX AND SOCKS, UH, THERE'S NO NOX OR SOCKS.
AND THAT IS THE ONLY, UH, EXHAUST THAT COMES OUT AT THE TOP OF THE FUEL CELL.
WELL, IT'S NOT PURE CARBON THAT COMES, IT HAVE TO BE SOME OXIDE OF CARBON OR SOMETHING.
SO WHAT, WELL, SO WHAT IS IT THAT'S COMING OUT? IT'S NOT COOL.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE IZED, PARDON ME, WE ACTUALLY HAVE
SO THERE'S NO SULFUR CONTENT IN THE METHANE THAT COMES IN.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S NO COMBUSTION.
SO THE KNOCK IS NOT PRESENT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE IN A NATURAL GAS REACTION WHERE YOU BURN IT.
YEAH, YOU WOULD'VE NOT, UH, IN THIS CASE, THERE IS NO BURNING, THERE'S BEEN ELECTRICAL CHEMICAL REACTION.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S, THERE'S NO EXHAUST.
SO THE, THIS WOULD GENERATE, UH, UH, CARBON AND THEN, AND I GUESS YOU HAVE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A TRAIT TO CAPTURE THE CARBON IF THE CARBON IS NOT VOLATILE.
SO THAT MEAN IS THAT, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
SO IF YOU'RE CURATING CARBON THAT MEAN AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE CARBON THAT FILLS UP AND WHATEVER, IF IT DROP TO A TRAY AT THE BOTTOM OR SOMETHING LIKE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU HAVE TO CA CATCH, YOU HAVE TO COLLECT THE CARBON.
WELL, NO, ACTUALLY THE, THE, IT'S A CARBON AIR MIXTURE.
IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN, LET'S SAY YOU LIGHT OFF A, UH, UH, A, A NATURAL GAS GENERATOR, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE NON STOCK CARBON AND CARBON MONOXIDE.
THAT WHAT WAS THE, UH, THAT, WHAT WAS THE PROFILE OF THE, THE GAS COMING OFF? IF IT IS OXIDES OF CARBON, CARBON DIOXIDE? UH, CORRECT.
THAT IS, THAT ANSWERS, UH, MY QUESTION.
UH, AND IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, UH, SAFETY IN, IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, UH, UH, DID, UH, WHAT IS THE CHANCES OF THAT REACT TO CATCH AND FIRE AS OPPOSED TO A SOMEONE'S BO UH, UH, FURNACE IN THEIR HOME? YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE RELATIVE SAFETY OF THESE TWO PIECES OF EQUIPMENT? SO TO EXPLAIN INTO FURTHER DETAIL HOW THESE SYSTEMS WORK, UH, WE HAVE A FUEL PROCESSING UNIT.
UM, IT'S KRISTEN, IF YOU COULD JUST ZOOM INTO THE SITE PLAN SO THEY CAN TAKE A CLOSER LOOK.
UHHUH,
IT'S GOING INTO THEN THE MODULES, WHICH THEN THERE'S NO COMBUSTION.
AGAIN, IT'S AN ELECTRICAL CHEMICAL REACTION.
BUT IN TERMS OF SAFETY PRECAUTIONS, THERE'S AN E P O BUTTON AND EMERGENCY STOP BUTTON.
AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THE E P O, THERE'S SAFETY SHUTOFF VALVE AT EACH OF THE UNITS.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S ANOTHER, UM, UPSTREAM SAFETY VALVE THAT THE NEW GAS R SS A THAT'S GOING TO BE INSTALLED AND AS WELL AS THE GAS M SS A FROM THE UTILITY SIDE.
UM, WHAT ENCOMPASSES ALL THIS IS THE MONITORING AND SENSORS THAT WE HAVE IN HERE.
HE'S ACTUALLY MONITORED FROM CALIFORNIA AND INDIA 24 HOURS A DAY.
AND THERE'S CONSTANT ANALYTICS BEING FED BACK, UM, TO THE REMOTE CONTROL CENTER.
WHAT IF YOU WOULD HAVE AN EMERGENCY? HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THAT? IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE SEVERITY OF THE EMERGENCY.
OBVIOUSLY, IF THERE'S A CATASTROPHIC EMERGENCY, THE EMERGENCY SERVICES WITHIN THE AREA WOULD BE, UH, NOTIFIED.
BUT IN TERMS OF, UH, EMERGENCIES, WE'D HAVE TO CLASSIFY WHAT TYPE, UH, THESE ARE ACTUALLY SIZE GRADE 'CAUSE WE ARE, UH, BASED OUTTA CALIFORNIA.
UM, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THERE HAS BEEN SOME SITUATIONS WHERE, UH, AN ACCIDENT HAD OCCURRED OFF OF A ROAD AND A BACKHOE LANDED ON TOP OF ONE OF THESE AND IT SUSTAINED THAT IMPACT WITH MINIMAL DAMAGE.
UM, SO THEY ARE BUILT TO, TO EXPAND THE ENVIRONMENT.
UM, BUT IN TERMS OF EMERGENCY, THOSE, UH, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, LET'S SAY IF THERE WAS, GOD FORBID, A GAS LEAK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT'S, UH, IN THE AREA, OBVIOUSLY THE GAS COMPANY WOULD BE NOTIFIED.
BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING INTERNAL TO OUR UNIT OUTSIDE OF THE UTILITIES,
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WE WOULD HAVE FIELD SERVICES WITHIN THE AREA DISPATCHED AND FIELD SERVICES WOULD GO TO SITE IMMEDIATELY, UH, TO HANDLE WHATEVER THE SITUATION IS.AND THAT REMOTE CONTROL CENTER WILL KNOW BEFORE ANYONE ELSE WILL KNOW.
UM, SO THERE'S CONSTANT CENSORING AND UH, AND DIFFERENT INSTRUMENTS ATTACHED TO THIS THAT WOULD NOTIFY REMOTE CONTROL, THE REMOTE CONTROL CENTER THAT WOULD DISPATCH FIELD SERVICES.
NOW IF IT'S CATASTROPHIC, IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF EMERGENCY, OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE HANDLED WITH THE EMERGENCY SERVICES JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE.
YOUR FAILED RESPONSE, WHAT IS THE RESPONSE TIME SHOULD YOU NEED TO GET FAILED SERVICES? WHAT WOULD BE THE RESPONSE TIME TO THIS PARTICULAR UNIT? SO IN THIS PARTICULAR UNIT, WE HAVE A, A GOOD AMOUNT OF UNITS WITHIN THIS AREA.
SO WITHIN LESS THAN AN HOUR, FAILED SERVICES WOULD BE OUT THERE.
AND IT'S TO, SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT IT'S GOOD TO KNOW LIKE HOW THAT'S MANAGED IS BECAUSE THERE'S, UM, THERE'S THOUSANDS OF SENSORS AND MECHANISMS INSIDE BUILT WITHIN THE SYSTEM THAT ANY SORT OF LIKE LEVELS OF INTERRUPTION OF GAS OR ANY SORT OF ABNORMALITY, THE THE SYSTEMS ARE, ARE PROGRAMMED TO SHUT DOWN AUTOMATICALLY AND STAYING IN IDLE SAFE MODE UNTIL, UM, A BLOOM ENERGY REPRESENTATIVE COMES OUT AND CHECKS OUT THE SYSTEM.
SO WITHIN AN INSTANT, THESE SYSTEMS ARE BUILT TO LET US KNOW IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF ABNORMALITIES TAKING PLACE BEFORE, YOU KNOW, TO AVOID ANY SORT OF KIND OF CATASTROPHIC EVENT.
IT WON'T, IT WON'T ALLOW IT IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF, UM, ABNORMAL ABNORMALITIES IN GAS PRESSURE OR SOME SORT OF, UM, INTERRUPTION.
THE SYSTEMS ARE MADE TO SHUT DOWN.
UH, UH, ARE THERE ANY DATA, UH, THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE PLANNING BOARD REGARDING THE SAFETY, THE HISTORY OF SAFETY OF THESE TYPES OF UNITS? YES.
I'VE ALREADY SENT, UM, SOME MATERIAL TO AARON AND MATT ABOUT OUR, OUR FIRE SAFETY AND PREVENTION GUIDES.
AND, UM, I, I DO HAVE A QUICK PRESENTATION, BUT I FEEL LIKE THE PREVENTION GUIDES, UH, WOULD BE, UH, UM, UM, MUCH BETTER LIKE TO ANSWER MORE OF YOUR QUESTIONS 'CAUSE IT JUST CONTAINS MORE, UM, IN-DEPTH, UM, INFORMATION AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, OUR FIRE PLANNING AND PREVENTION AS FAR AS THE SYSTEMS GO.
UM, WE ALSO DO ENCOURAGE, UM, A SITE VISIT AND WALK THROUGH WITH THE LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENT.
IN CASE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SO THEY UNDERSTAND HOW THESE SYSTEMS WORK AND, UM, THERE'S NO SPECIAL EQUIPMENT OR ANYTHING REQUIRED ON SITE OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, WE JUST, UM, UH, HAVE THE EMERGENCY SHUTOFF BUTTONS AND VALVES AND, UH, ACCESSIBLE.
SO IF SOMEBODY SEES ANYTHING OR SOMETHING HAPPENS, UM, THERE'S MANY MECHANISMS TO ALLOW TO SHUT THE SYSTEMS DOWN UNTIL SOMEBODY'S THERE TO TAKE CARE OF THE SITUATION.
IS THERE A SYSTEM LOCATED IN CLOSE SOMEPLACE IN WESTCHESTER THAT WE COULD VISIT? YES, THERE'S ACTUALLY A SITE 10 MINUTES AWAY FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND THIS SITE IT'S AT, UM, 4 0 1 FIELD CREST DRIVE IN ELMSFORD THAT WE RECENTLY INSTALLED EARLIER THIS YEAR.
SO THAT IS SITUATED WITHIN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG? YEAH.
UM, THAT'S UP OFF ROUTE NINE A SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS PROJECT? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, I'M SURE YOU GUYS ARE VERY STEEPED IN FUEL CELL TECHNOLOGY, BUT IT'S SOMETHING I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH.
UM, I HEAR THAT IT'S GENERATING ELECTRICITY, BUT WHEN I'M LOOKING AT YOUR PLANS, IT SAYS, UM, THAT IT'S IN GRID PARALLEL MODE SO THAT IF THE GRID SHUTS DOWN, THIS SHUTS DOWN.
I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS.
'CAUSE IF I THOUGHT IT WAS GENERATING ON ITS OWN, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S ALSO TIED SOMEHOW TO THE GRID.
SO WE HAVE TWO, WE HAVE TWO TYPES OF INSTALLATIONS.
SO WE HAVE GRID PARALLEL INSTALLATIONS, WHICH IS WHAT THIS SYSTEM IS, AND THEN WE HAVE STANDALONE SYSTEMS. SO STANDALONE SYSTEMS ACT MORE AS LIKE A, AN INDEPENDENT GENERATOR.
THIS IS STILL TIED TO THE GRID AND IT'S BASICALLY POWERING THE GRID.
SO NOT ONLY IS THE BUILDING GETTING ELECTRICITY, BUT EVEN, UM, IF THE, THE SYSTEMS ARE OVER EXPORTING, IT PROVIDES POWER BACK TO THE GRID TO ASSIST THE GRID.
SO THAT'S WHAT GRID PARALLEL, THAT'S WHAT WE MEAN BY SAYING THE SYSTEM IS GRID PARALLEL.
SO IT'S, WHILE IT'S SUPPLYING, UM, ALTICE WITH ELECTRICITY, THERE ARE TIMES WHERE, YOU KNOW, TS WHETHER YOU KNOW IT'S AT NIGHT OR YOU KNOW, THE, THE BUILDING IS NOT DEMANDING AS MUCH POWER AS IT NORMALLY WOULD DURING HIGH HOURS.
AND THE SYSTEMS ARE STILL, YOU KNOW, UM, PER, UH, GENERATING ELECTRICITY.
NORMALLY IT'S TIED TO THE GRID SO THAT EXCESS POWER GOES BACK INTO THE GRID.
UM, MY NEXT QUESTION IS, THE APPLICATION SAYS SIX OUTDOOR NATURAL GAS CLEAN FUEL ENERGY SERVERS, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE PLAN AND SEEING A WHOLE LOT OF THESE BOXES.
CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN WHAT THE SIX ARE AND WHAT THE OTHER PIECES ARE?
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YES, I WILL LET NADAL GO INTO DEPTH WITH THAT.BUT THESE ARE ALSO, THIS IS ALL JUST ANCILLARY EQUIPMENT THAT SUPPORTS THE SYSTEM.
BUT NADAL, IF YOU WANNA JUST TOUCH BASE ON WHAT THEY SPECIFICALLY DO.
UM, CAN YOU JUST ZOOM IN, UH, JUST A TADD BIT, I CAN GET A GOOD VIEW.
CAN YOU GUYS, CAN YOU, CAN YOU GUYS SEE IT? YES.
SO BASICALLY WE'LL START FROM THE RIGHT TO THE LEFT.
AND, UH, FROM THE RIGHT TO THE LEFT, YOU HAVE YOUR, UH, MEDIUM VOLTAGE GEAR AND THE ANCILLARY SYSTEM.
SO THE P D S IS BASICALLY THE SWITCHES THAT TAKES THE POWER FROM THE FUEL CELLS, FROM THE ENERGY SERVERS INTO THE P D S, WHICH IS JUST A, UH, A SWITCH, A POWER DISTRIBUTION SWITCH.
AND THEN THAT GOES TO THE MEDIUM VOLTAGE HERE, WHICH WOULD THEN BE ITY.
UH, THE WDMS IS WHERE THE WATER COMES IN, AND THAT'S WHERE THE WATER TREATMENT, UH, THAT IS FOR START.
AND THEN THE TELEMETRY CABINET THERE IS BASICALLY WHAT IS USED FOR THE SENSORS AND INSTRUMENTS FOR THE REMOTE CONTROL MONITORING CENTER.
AND THEN TO THE LEFT OF THAT ARE THE GAS BOOSTERS, UH, TO MAINTAIN THE PRESSURE OF THE GAS IN THE AREA.
THE ST FIVES ARE THE FUEL PROCESSING UNITS, AND THE AC FIVE HERE TO THE LEFT ARE THE INVERTERS THAT CONVERT THE DC POWER FROM THE POWER MODULE, UH, TO AC TO MATCH THE GRID VOLTAGE.
AND THESE, UH, ARE BASICALLY REACHING OF WHAT YOU GUYS SEE HERE.
UM, SO WE, WE CALL AN ENERGY SERVER A, UH, PMM FIVE MODULE WITH AN AC FIVE AND S P FIVE, WHICH IS WHY IT'S LABELED AS E S ONE.
AND THEN YOU'LL SEE E ES TWO, E ES 3, 4, 5, AND SIX.
SO ALSO IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE KEEP ONE CABINET EMPTY FOR N PLUS ONE REDUNDANCY.
SO WHEN THERE'S MAINTENANCE OR THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO SHUT THE SYSTEM DOWN, WE COULD SWAP THEM OUT LIVE WITH MINIMUM, WITH NO INTERRUPTION TO THE, UH, THROUGH LPS IN THIS CASE.
SO JUST FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE FAR RIGHT BOTTOM WHERE IT SAYS E S TWO, THOSE 6:00 PM FIVE BOXES IS ALL PART OF ONE E S TWO UNIT.
THAT'S ONE SIX OF THE THE SIX, CORRECT.
SO IT'S SIX PLUS THE AC, FIVE FT FIVES AND THE GAS PIECES.
AND WALTER BROUGHT UP THE, THE FIRE QUESTION.
I, I, MY QUESTION FOCUSES ON EMISSIONS.
UM, THIS IS IN A PRETTY CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHERE THIS IS BEING PUT.
UM, YOU TALKED ABOUT THERE BEING CARBON EMISSIONS INTO THE AIR.
HOW, HOW MUCH IS THERE RELATIVE TO A STANDARD FURNACE OR, OR, OR BOILER OR WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? IS THERE ANY, UH, SCRUBBING THAT'S DONE TO RE TO RECOLLECT, UH, THE OUTPUT? SO TO, TO COMPARE RELATIVE TO A GAS FURNACE? UH, THERE, THERE'S NO COMPARISON TO COMPARED TO WHAT THESE OUTPUT HERE.
SO, UH, THE CARBON THAT THE CARBON DI THAT'S SUBMITTED OUT HERE IS A MIXTURE OF AIR AS WELL.
AND IT'S, UH, MINI IT, IT'S BASICALLY IF YOU WERE GONNA LOOK AT A GAS TURBINE, WHICH HAS VERY MINIMAL SOCKS AND KNOTS DUE TO SCRUBBERS INSTALLED AND HEAT RECOVERY GENERATORS, UH, IN THIS CASE HERE, WITHOUT THAT, IT'S STILL OUTPERFORMS ANY NATURAL GAS GENERATOR, DIESEL GENERATOR, OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
AS SOON AS YOU TAKE THE BURNING OUT OF IT, UH, THE KNOCKS AND SAW THE KNOCKS AND SOCKS, WHICH IS THE CRITICAL TO, TO HARMING, UM, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUALS IN THE AREA, UH, THAT'S WHEN YOU HAVE TO START GETTING INTO AMMONIA SCRUBBERS AND SDRS AND CATALYST REDUCTIVE.
IN THIS CASE, THANKFULLY, TECHNOLOGY IS CONSIDERED GREEN, UH, UNDER THE GREEN, UH, INITIATIVE AS WELL, THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
UH, SO THIS CAN ALSO RUN ON BIOGAS.
IT COULD ALSO RUN ON HYDROGEN AND, UH, BASICALLY, UH, THAT, THAT'S A BIG PLUS, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH A LOT OF COMPANIES AND INDUSTRIES GOING OVER TO HYDROGEN.
UH, THIS WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE OUTDATED TECHNOLOGY, IT WOULD JUST PROGRESS WITH THE CHANGES THAT WE SEE GOING ON, UH, AROUND IT.
BUT YOU DON'T HAVE A, AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, THERE'S NO, UH, REGULAR SOURCE OF HYDROGEN AT THIS, AT THIS POINT.
AND STORING HYDROGEN CAN BE, DANGER ITSELF CAN BE DANGEROUS AS I, AS I THINK I KNOW FROM THE CA GAS INDUSTRY.
BUT IN TERMS OF JUST RUNNING WITH METHANE GAS, IT'S REMARKABLY EFFICIENT, UM, UPWARDS OF OVER 65%.
AND IN TERMS OF EMISSION, YOU GOT THE KNOCKS AND STOCKS OUT, THE GAIN AND
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THE CARBON DIOXIDE IS VERY MINIMAL, UM, IN THIS, IN THIS, UH, APPLICATION.UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, WALTER, I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO WHAT'S THE CAPACITY OF THE, THE SIX UNITS? SO HOW MUCH OF ELECTRICITY THAT GENERATES THE SYSTEM WOULD BE PROVIDING? UM, THE ALT BUILDING WITH 1500 KILOWATTS OF POWER? YEAH, THAT'S A PEAK CAPACITY.
UM, COMPARED TO WHAT THEY USE, UH, IT'S NOT THAT LARGE COMPARED TO WHAT THEY USE, BUT IN TERMS OF OFFSETTING WHAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW, IT'S HELPFUL.
UH, ESPECIALLY WITH DISTRIBUTED GENERATION BEING THE BIGGEST, UH, FACTOR IN, IN HOLDING UP THE GRID.
UM, WE COULD SEE CONED IN THIS CASE HAS, UH, ACTUALLY PROMOTED OFFSETTING GRID SHEDDING, BECAUSE WITHOUT THAT, WE WOULD REQUIRE ANOTHER POWER PLANT.
SO WITH BIG FACILITIES LIKE TS AND EQUINOX IN THE AREA AND OTHER BIG COMPANIES THAT DEAL WITH DATA AND SENSITIVE INFORMATION AND, UH, UTILITY PROVIDERS, WHEN SERVICE PROVIDERS GRID SHEDDING IN THE AREA ALONE, UH, WE CAN SAVE, UH, AN OUTPUT OF A GAS TURBINE OR A STEAM TURBINE, UH, WITHIN THE AREA, WHICH WILL BE, YOU KNOW, BENEFICIAL AND ACTUALLY BETTER FOR A MORE RELIABLE AND RESILIENT GRID.
MY NEXT QUESTION IS, WHAT, WHAT SORT OF MAINTENANCE OF THIS, UH, CELL THAT CONVERTS METHANE GETS INTO ELECTRICITY? I'M SORRY, I HAD TROUBLE HEARING YOU AT THE LAST PART.
CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? WHAT IS A, WHAT IS A SATURATION POINT OR, UH, REPLACEMENT, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR CHANGING THIS, UH, THE CELL THAT CONVERTS THE GAS INTO ELECTRICITY? UH, IF I COULD JUST ASK THE QUESTION ARE, ARE YOU ASKING HOW, WHAT IS THE MAINTENANCE INTERVAL? CORRECT.
BUT WHEN, WHEN DOES IT GETS, UH, SATURATED OR DOES IT REQUIRE, OR IT IS A PERPETUAL, UH, TECHNOLOGY THAT IT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY REPLACEMENTS OF THE PARTS OR THE, OR THE CHEMICALS? SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE GAS, THE, THE WAY THE, THE, THE MAINTENANCE CYCLE WORKS IS THAT ON THE POWER MODULES THEMSELVES, IT'S FIVE YEARS.
SO THESE POWER MODULES, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, COME IN STACKS AND AROUND THE STACKS IS A CIRCULAR, UH, INK CANNEL CYLINDER THAT THEY SIT INSIDE AND THEY COME OUT WITH A FORKLIFT.
SO EVERY FIVE YEARS DON'T GET CHANGED OUT.
EVERY SIX MONTHS, THE AIR FILTERS GET CHANGED OUT, AND THE DESAL AUTHORIZATION BEDS GET CHANGED OUT, UH, EVERY ONE YEAR.
UM, SO THAT, THAT IS REALLY THE MAINTENANCE CYCLE THAT HAPPENS, UH, WITH THE, UH, FUEL CELLS.
UH, THE GAS MOTION CONTENT IS CHECKED THAT EVERY MAINTENANCE, UH, PRINCIPLE, AND THAT KIND OF HELPS US MAINTAIN THE EFFICIENCY OF THE CHEMICAL REACTIONS.
AND THEN THE WATER BEDS GET CHANGED OUT, UH, BY A THIRD PARTY
UM, UH, WE WE'RE RUNNING INTO THE CONCLUSION OF, UH, OF OUR TIME, UH, CLOCK, BUT I JUST WANT TO OUTLINE, UH, SOME OF THE THINGS WE NEED, UH, AND, AND MOVING FORWARD.
WELL, DO I HAVE ONE QUESTION, JESS? SURE.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO ASK IF THERE WOULD BE ANY SPECIAL EQUIPMENT OR TRAINING NEEDED FOR FIRST RESPONDERS IF THERE WAS AN EVENT OF ANY TYPE? UH, NO.
THERE, THERE'S NO SPECIAL EQUIPMENT OF ANY KIND NEEDED.
UM, AGAIN, WE, UM, SO LOCAL, UM, LIKE THE LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENT UNDERSTANDS THE SYSTEMS OR IF THERE IS SOME SORT OF EMERGENCY IN CASE THEY'RE ALERTED, WE ENCOURAGE WALKTHROUGHS, UM, AND SITE VISITS.
SO THE END, WE GET TO KNOW THE SYSTEMS AND UNDERSTAND HOW THEY WORK.
WELL, NO, I WAS GONNA, I WAS IN, THAT'S PART OF THE FOLLOW UPS THAT WE, WE NEED, UH, UH, IN, IN, IN, IN ADDITION TO YOUR OWN INTERNAL SAFETY DATA, UH, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN A DATA, YOU KNOW, INDUSTRY DATA, UH, IN TERMS OF THE SAFETY OF THESE UNITS IN GENERAL, IN ADDITION TO YOUR OWN INTERNAL DATA.
UH, WE WOULD, UH, LIKE TO SCHEDULE A SITE VISIT, SEEING HOW IT'S RIGHT HERE IN TOWN.
AND I WOULD, UH, ENCOURAGE, UH, UH, UH, ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS TO,
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UH, WORK WITH YOU AND AARON TO SET UP, YOU KNOW, SITE VISIT WITH, YOU KNOW, THREE OR SO BOARD MEMBERS.UH, WE CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN THREE AT A TIME, OR ELSE WE HAVE TO HAVE AN OFFICIAL, IT BECOMES AN OFFICIAL MEETING.
SO IT'S REALLY GATHERING THE INFORMATION FOR THE PLANNING BOARD.
UH, THE OTHER THING IS THAT WE HAVE TO INVOLVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO, UM, TO COME IN AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT UNIT THAT'S HERE RIGHT IN TOWN AND HAVE THEM COMMENT, EXCUSE ME, IN TERMS OF, UH, WHAT, UH, INPUT OR WHAT THEY FEEL THAT, UH, THEY NEED TO ADEQUATELY SERVICE THOSE UNITS.
AND THEN, UH, I WOULD, UH, UH, WANT TO HAVE, UM, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AT THE NEXT MEETING TO REALLY GO INTO HOW THIS PROJECT FIT INTO OUR STANDARD CODE.
UH, WITH THAT, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A FOLLOW-UP MEETING AT OUR SECOND MEETING IN OCTOBER THAT WILL GIVE THE APPLICANT TIME TO GET ALL THIS INFORMATION TO US, OR GIVE US THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS TIME TO VISIT, UH, THE SITE, GIVE THE, NOTIFY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND LET THEM COME AND VISIT THE SITE.
AND, UH, AND WE COULD HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO I THINK IF WE SCHEDULE IT FOR THE SECOND MEETING IN OCTOBER, WE COULD HAVE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION BEFORE US AND, YOU KNOW, AND WE CAN MAKE A DECISION IN REGARDS TO, UH, MOVING FORWARD.
AND, UH, WHAT DATE IS THAT IN OCTOBER THAT YOU'RE FACEBOOK? 20? WHAT DAY? THAT'S THE SECOND MAY, OCTOBER I WAS MUTED.
20TH WAS, YEAH, THAT'S OCTOBER 20TH.
AND IN THE INTERIM, WE'LL COORDINATE THOSE SMALL GROUP SITE VISITS, LOOK TO GET, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OUT TO THE SITE AS WELL, POSSIBLY AS PART OF A SITE VISIT WITH BOARD MEMBERS.
UH, WE CAN EVEN INVITE OR LOOK TO INVITE THE WHITE PLAINS, UM, FIRE DEPARTMENT AS THIS PROPERTY'S CLOSE TO THE BORDER WITH THE CITY.
THEY MAY ALSO BE INTERESTED, IT, IT COULD BE OF INTEREST TO THEM AS MR. FREE NOTED.
AND, UH, WE WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, UH, EITHER TOMORROW OR THURSDAY TO LOOK TO COORDINATE THESE ITEMS. OKAY.
AND THEN, UH, I, UH, UH, ASK THAT BOARD MEMBERS CONTACT KAREN AND TO SEE IF WE COULD, IF YOU COULD ARRANGE FOR A SITE VISIT, I WOULD LIKE AS MANY, UH, BOARD MEMBERS AS POSSIBLE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT SEEHOW.
IT'S RIGHT HERE IN THE TOWN, SO I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO DO THAT.
I, I DO HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION JUST OF THE APPLICANT.
UM, THERE IS A VARIANCE REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
HAVE YOU FILED WITH THE ZONING BOARD AND DO YOU HAVE A DATE SET? YES, WE WERE SCHEDULED TO MEET WITH THE ZONING BOARD ON 10 21.
SO WITH THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, IT'D BE OF INTEREST, YOU KNOW, TO THE APPLICANT AND TO THE ZONING BOARD.
IF THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION ON OCTOBER 20TH IF IT HAS THE INFORMATION IT NEEDS.
UH, I NOTED THE VARIANCE AND THAT RELATES TO AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE FRONT YARD.
IF THE PLANNING BOARD WERE TO ISSUE ITS RECOMMENDATION THAT EVENING, WE WOULD TURN IT AROUND THE FOLLOWING DAY SO THAT YOU WOULD HAVE IT IN HAND TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD ON THE 21ST.
AARON, WHAT'S THE SECRET STATUS ON THIS PROJECT? UH, UH, ACCORDING TO THE INFORMATION THAT WE RESEARCHED, BOTH THE Z B A APPLICATION FOR THE AREA VARIANCE AND THE AMENDED SITE PLAN THROUGH THE PLANNING BOARD QUALIFIES TYPE TWO ACTIONS UNDER SEEKER.
BUT WHO IS DECLARING THAT? WHICH BOARD? UH, THAT'S PURSUANT TO THE CODE.
SO THAT'S PURSUANT TO THE SEEKER DOCUMENTATION.
SO THERE'S, WITH BOTH QUALIFYING AS TYPE TWO ACTIONS, UH, THERE'S NO FURTHER SEEKER REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
SO, SO THE ZONING BOARD CAN ACTUALLY RENDER A DECISION INDEPENDENTLY? YES.
BUT YEAH, UH, UH, BUT THEY ALWAYS, BUT THEY ASK FOR THE RECOMMENDATION.
NO, I WAS JUST ASKING FOR SEEKER.
I UNDERSTAND THE RECOMMENDATION THING.
THANK YOU ASKING FOR SE FOR SEEKER.
OKAY, SO HOPEFULLY AT THE, UH, AT THE, UH, TOBA MEETING, WE COULD, UH, UM, WE'LL BE IN A POSITION TO MAKE SOME, MAKE SOME SORT OF DECISION ON THIS SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
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OKAY.THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION.
AND, UH, IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, MORE INFORMATION THAT IS INDUSTRY, UH, UH, GENERATED, I'D BE INTERESTED IN SEEING THAT AS WELL AS, UH, TAKING ANOTHER LOOK AT ALL THE SAFETY INFORMATION YOU ARE ALREADY PROVIDED.
WITH THAT SAID, GENTLEMEN, IT WAS A LONG MEETING AND I THANK ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS FOR THEIR WILLINGNESS TO START EARLY BECAUSE WE DID, UH, CANCEL OUR PREVIOUS MEETING AND WE GOT TO OUR AGENDA AND ONLY SIX MINUTES OVER.
SO VICE CHAIRMAN'S, UH, SWARTZ, HE ALWAYS BUGGING ME WHEN WE, I'M NOT GONNA COMMENT THE FACT THAT IT'S, I YOU'RE NOT GONNA COMMENT THIS TIME.
IT'S AFTER 10 O'CLOCK AND HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, EVERYONE.
WE SHOULD HAVE FINISHED BY EIGHT 30, BUT YOU KNOW, OKAY.
NO, SERIOUSLY, IT WAS A VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING TONIGHT.
THERE'S A LOT OF COMPLICATED STUFF ON, ON THERE.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS.