* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. SIMON. OKAY. [00:00:01] GOOD EVENING. AND WELCOME TO THE [ FINAL TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, November 3, 2021 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ] WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 3RD MEETING OF THE PLANNING BOARD. I ASKED THAT, UH, DEPUTY SMIT CALLS THE ROLL. MY PLEASURE, CHAIRPERSON SIMON HERE. MR. SCHWARTZ IS JUST ENTERING NOW, SO WE'LL GIVE HIM A MOMENT. MR. DESAI. HERE. MR. GOLDEN. HERE. MR. HAY. HERE. MS. FREYTAG. HERE. MR. SNAGS HERE. THE POLICE CALLED AFTER MIDNIGHT WHEN THEY CAUGHT OUR SON AT A DRINKING PARTY. IT WAS A REAL WAKE UP CALL A POLICEMAN SUGGESTED WE TRY AL-ANON FAMILY GROUPS. I DIDN'T WANT TO GO TO A MEETING, BUT I'M GLAD I DID. ARE YOU TROUBLED BY SOMEONE ELSE'S DRINKING? YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED AT WHAT YOU COULD LEARN IN AN AL-ANON FAMILY GROUP FROM PEOPLE JUST LIKE YOU. CALL 1 8 8 8 4 AL-ANON OR GO TO AL-ANON DOT ORG. IT SAYS, OH, THAT IS NOT, UH, OKAY. CORRECT. THE MINUTES OF OCTOBER 20TH, THE MINUTES OF OCTOBER 20TH. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT GOT MIXED UP IN MY PAPERWORK. IT'S THE MINUTES OF OCTOBER 20TH, 20, UH, UH, 21. UH, I THINK I HAD, I HAD ONE COMMENT ON PAGE FIVE IN THE LAST PARAGRAPH. IT INDICATED THAT, UM, CHAIRMAN SIMON, UH, STATED THAT, UH, THEY HAD A CONVERSATION, UH, WITH THE, UH, THE BUILDING COMMISSIONER IN RELATIONSHIP TO BLOOM ENERGY. THAT IS INCORRECT. THE CONVERSATION I HAD WITH THE, UH, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PLANNING BOARD, HAD TO DO WITH A, 'CAUSE. I'M ON THE BOARD OF THE HIGH POINT CONDOMINIUM AND WE'RE DOING A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION AND REPAIR HERE ON SITE, AND THERE WAS A ISSUE OF THE APPROPRIATE SAFETY MEASURES THAT THE CONTRACTOR WAS USING WHILE THEY'RE DOING THE REPAIRS. AND MY CONVERSATION WITH HIM WAS IN, IN RELATIONSHIP TO MAKING SURE THAT THE CONTRACTORS WHO WERE DOING THE WORK WAS FOLLOWING ALL THE CODES OF THE TOWN. SO IT HAD NOTHING TO DO AT ALL WITH, UH, THE BLOOM ENERGY. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR, AND THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT OF THE MINUTES. OKAY. WE WILL STRIKE THAT. UH, THAT'S THE ONLY POINT I HAD. ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAVE, UH, TOM, MR. HAY? I, I HAD A COUPLE COMMENTS. ONE, VERY SMALL ON PAGE TWO. THE FIRST FULL PARAGRAPH, JUST WORDING ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN. IT SAYS, HE STATED THAT THE PROCESS HAS BEEN RESTARTED AND DESIGNED SIMILAR. SIMILARLY WAY, I THINK IT SHOULD JUST BE DESIGNED IN A SIMILAR WAY. UM, THAT'S A SMALL ONE. I HAD A QUESTION ON PAGE FOUR. UNDER OLD BUSINESS PB 1933. THE FIRST PARAGRAPH INCLUDES A SENTENCE THAT SAYS, INVOLVING THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION OF ONE EXISTING LAW, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. AND THEN IN THE SECOND PARAGRAPH IT SAYS, FOLLOWING MR. SCHMIDT'S INTRODUCTION OF THE PROJECT, AND THEN REPEATS THAT ENTIRE SENTENCE AGAIN BEFORE GETTING TO MR. SCHWARTZ. OPINED THAT I THINK IT CAN BE LEFT OUT THE SECOND TIME. IT REALLY DOESN'T NEED TO BE REPEATED THERE. I THINK IT JUST GOT PICKED UP AND DROPPED IN. THAT'S IT. NOTHING ABOUT THE CONTENT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY CON ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS ABOUT THE MINUTES? IF NOT, I, I MAKE A MOTION THAT THE MINUTES, UH, BE APPROVED AS CORRECTED. SO MOVED. OKAY. OR SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SO THE MINUTES OF OCTOBER 20TH IS APPROVED AS CORRECTED. UM, JUST A LITTLE HOUSEKEEPING THINGS THAT, UH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE AT ON THE AGENDA. UH, THE FIRST THING IS, UH, UH, CASE P B 21, 10 23 SPRING AVENUE IS, UH, WAS REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA BECAUSE, UM, THE ZONING BOARD DID NOT, UH, ISSUE A DECISION ON THE VARIANCE. [00:05:01] UH, THEREFORE WE CAN'T GO AHEAD, UH, UNTIL WE GET THAT DECISION FROM THE VARIANCE. SO THAT'S BEING REMOVED FROM, UH, THE AGENDA TONIGHT. THE OTHER ONE IS, AND AGAIN, AT THE PUBLIC HA HEARING, WE WILL MAKE, UH, MAKE THE OFFICIAL WITHDRAWAL. UH, BUT JUST TO GIVE, UH, PEOPLE, UH, A HEADS UP. SO THEY ARE NOT WAITING AROUND UNTIL WE GET TO THE PUBLIC HEARING SECTION OF THE MINUTES. AND THAT IS CASE PB 2024, THE BLOOM ENERGY. AND HERE AGAIN, WE ARE WAITING FOR A, A REPORT FROM THE C A C AND THAT REPORT IS, THE FINAL REPORT IS NOT READY. UH, THEY ISSUE AN INTERIM OR DRAFT REPORT, WHICH I HAVE CIRCULATED AMONG THE, UM, UH, THE BOARD FOR YOUR INFORMATION. BUT WE, UH, I'M NOT PUTTING THAT BACK ON THE AGENDA UNTIL WE GET THE FINAL REPORT, BECAUSE THERE'S NO POINT IN US DEBATING INFORMATION THAT ISN'T FINAL. SO ONCE WE GET THE FINAL REPORT, WE'LL PUT THAT BACK ON THE AGENDA. I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE TIMING OF THE C A C WILL BE, WHETHER OR NOT WE'LL GET THE INFORMATION IN TIME ENOUGH FOR OUR NOVEMBER 17TH MEETING, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO COME IN IN TIME FOR IT TO BE DISTRIBUTED WITH OUR PACKET. IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, THEN IT'LL BE PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR DECEMBER THE FIRST. OKAY. SO THAT, THOSE ARE THE CHANGES IN THE, UH, IN THE AGENDA. SO, UH, UH, THERE IS NO, UH, OTHER, UH, CORRESPONDENCE. DEBBIE SMITH, DO WE HAVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE THAT, THAT CAME IN THAT WE, WE NEED TO DISCUSS AT THIS POINT? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. NO. NOTHING UNRELATED TO ANOTHER PROJECT, SO, OKAY. ANYTHING THAT CAME IN ALL RELATES TO PROJECTS ON THE AGENDA. OKAY, GOOD. UH, UM, SO WE HAVE A SERIES OF THREE DECISIONS TO MAKE. THE FIRST ONE BEING PB 1926, THAT'S 30, UH, SIX, UH, UM, HILLCREST. AND THERE, IF WE, THERE ARE SOME SPECIFIC CONDITIONS IN THE, UH, PROPOSED APPROVAL. ONE IS 5.1, AND THIS REFERS TO THE WIDENING OF, OF THE ROAD, UH, THAT BORDERS INTO ODDSLY, UH, THAT, THAT IS A CONDITION. AND ANOTHER CONDITION WAS THAT, UH, AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY, THEY HAD TO PUT A, A, A CATCH UH, BASIN THERE THAT WOULD FEED INTO THE CALTECH. SO THOSE ARE THE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS OF THIS, UH, UH, PROPOSED APPROVAL. UH, ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS ON, ON, UH, ON THIS? NOT, I JUST WANTED TO CHAIRPERSON SIMON MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE CONDITIONS, YOU CAN EXPECT, UH, PLANS SUB, SO THIS WILL BE, UH, THIS IS ON FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AND THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT. RIGHT. IF APPROVED THIS EVENING, CLEARLY THOSE TWO CONDITIONS, UH, WARRANT A REVISED SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENT PLAN. THESE CONDITIONS WILL NOT CHANGE THE PLATT. SO WHEN THIS APPLICANT COMES BACK FOR FINAL SUBDIVISION, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING THE PLATT HASN'T CHANGED DUE TO SOMETHING TO DO WITH WESTCHESTER COUNTY, I'LL INDICATE THAT. BUT I WILL BRING UP, UH, THE POINT THAT THE SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENT PLANS HAVE BEEN REVISED TO DETAIL THE ROADWAY, UH, EXPANSION AND TO INCLUDE THE ADDITIONAL, UM, THE, THE DRAIN ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY AS CONDITIONED IN THE PRELIMINARY. SO I JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO BE AWARE OF THAT. WE WILL REQUEST THOSE REVISIONS BEFORE THEY COME BACK FOR FINAL. OKAY. I THINK MR, I JUST WANTED TO ADD WALTER TO, UM, WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT THE CONDITIONS. THERE'S ALSO ON PAGE NINE, THE TRAFFIC CONDITIONS THAT ARE UNIQUE. OH, YES. YOU'RE RIGHT. RIGHT, RIGHT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO THROUGH THOSE OR YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH? GO AHEAD. YOU, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR THEN. IT, IT IS A VERY NARROW AND VERY, UM, SHORT DEAD END STREET. AND ANYONE WHO LIVES THERE, I'M SURE WANTS TO KNOW THAT THE TRAFFIC, UH, INVOLVED WITH DEVELOPING THIS APPLICATION IS GONNA BE ADDRESSED. SO THE TWO SPECIFIC PARAGRAPHS STATE FIRST, DUE TO THE NARROW [00:10:01] CHARACTER OF THE STREET SURROUNDING THE SUBJECT SITE, PARKING FOR TRAITS, PEOPLE AND CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES AND DELIVERY OF MATERIALS TO THE SITE AND STORAGE OF SUCH MATERIALS PRIOR TO AND DURING CONSTRUCTION MUST BE PROVIDED FOR ONSITE OR INAPPROPRIATE OFFSITE LOCATIONS. SO THAT CLEAR ACCESS IS PROVIDED FOR GENERAL VEHICULAR CIRCULATION AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF CONSTRUCTION RELATED ACTIVITIES. AND THEN SECOND, ANY CONTRACTOR HIRED TO PERFORM WORK ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY MUST SUPPLY FLAG PERSONS TO CONTROL THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC AND MAINTAIN SAFETY ALONG SPRINGWOOD AVENUE AND OR HILLCREST AVENUE IN THE VICINITY OF THE PROJECT SITE. WHEN THERE IS BLOCKAGE OF A PORTION OF SPRINGWOOD OR HILLCREST FOR ANY PERIOD IN EXCESS OF ONE MINUTE, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY, YEAH. AND, AND THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT POINTS FOR, I THINK MOST OF THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS HAVE BEEN IN AT THAT SITE. IT WAS A VERY NARROW, UH, STREET AND FOR CONSTRUCTION, DEFINITELY. I I THINK THAT, UH, UH, PARAGRAPH 12 ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED THAT, UH, THAT VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS, UH, BEFORE WE TAKE, UH, A VOTE? YEAH, JUST, JUST ONE FOR ME. THE WHITENING OF THE STREET THAT HAPPENS ON THE LEY SIDE, UM, IS THERE A SEPARATE APPLICATION THAT'S NECESSARY FOR THAT, OR IS THAT INCLUDED WITH THE OWNERSHIP FOR THE LOTS AND THE SUBDIVISION? HOW DOES THAT WORK? IT IT WITH ODD, IF I CORRECT, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH ODDS. SO THAT'S, GO AHEAD. THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. HERE. PERSON TIME. AND SO THE APPLICANT HAS ALREADY HAD PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE VILLAGE. THE VILLAGE HAS BEEN RECEPTIVE TO THE WIDENING SUBJECT TO THE APPLICANT SECURING ALL NECESSARY PERMITS THROUGH THE VILLAGE. OKAY. SO THEY'LL BE ON TRACK FOR THAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF BY CHANCE LEY SAID NO, WHERE WOULD THAT LEAVE THE APPLICATION ALTOGETHER? IF ALL OF THIS IS CONTINGENT UPON THAT HAPPENING AS WELL, IS THERE LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT POINTS IT WOULD HAVE TO COME, WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK FOR REVISION? BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE APPROVAL? YEAH. OKAY. SO IT DOES STATE THAT, THAT THEY MUST APPLY TO THE VILLAGE OF ARDSLEY, UH, TO FURTHER WIDEN THE ROADWAY. SO IF THEY DON'T APPLY, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK. IF THEY APPLY AND THEY'RE, AND ARE DENIED, THEY'D HAVE TO NOTIFY US. AND THEN THE PLANNING BOARD COULD EITHER MAKE A DIFFERENT CONDITION OR DISCUSS IT FURTHER AS PART OF FINAL. OKAY. JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT, WHAT JO JOHAN SAID, YES, THIS, UH, PENDING APPROVAL, SAY, SAYS THAT THEY MUST APPLY. THAT'S CLEAR. BUT GOING BACK TO WHAT JOHAN SAID, SUPPOSE ODDLY SAID, UH, UH, DENIES THAT, DOES THIS APPLICATION STATES THAT THEY MUST COME BACK TO US. I DON'T THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT THEY MUST COME, THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK TO US ANYWAY BECAUSE IT'S FOR A FINAL SUBDIVISION. SO I, I HAVE A S DAVE, THEY WOULD COME BACK WHEN THEY COME BACK TO US. I DON'T WANNA SPECULATE AS TO SOMETHING THAT MAY NEVER HAPPEN. IT'S, UH, WHEN THEY COME BACK TO US, THE PLANNING BOARD AT THAT POINT, UH, CAN EVALUATE IT IF THAT SITUATION OCCURS. BUT I DON'T WANNA SPECULATE RIGHT NOW ON THAT. OKAY. BUT, SO AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE, THE RIGHT AN AUTHORITY AT THAT POINT TO DENY THE FINE, IF THAT IS THE DECISION OF THE P TO, TO DENY FINAL APPROVAL, IF THEY CANNOT WIDEN THAT FREE, THAT'S AN OPTION. WHETHER WHAT WE, I SUGGEST, CAN I SUGGEST LANGUAGE? YES. WHY DON'T WE SAY, MUST APPLY AND RECEIVE APPROVAL PRIOR TO OUR GRANTING OF THE FINAL SUBDIVISION, OR COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR RECONSIDERATION? YEAH. I THINK DAVE, YEAH, I, THAT COVERS ALL BASES AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. YEAH. YEAH. IF THAT'S THE BOARD'S WISH, UH, YES. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK THAT CLARIFI I THINK THAT IT'S CLEAR. THAT MAKES IT CLEAR. OKAY. OKAY. UH, WITH THOSE REVISIONS INDICATED, THE ONE THAT, UH, UH, WAS RAISED BY JOHAN AND AMPLIFIED BY, UH, VICE CHAIR, UH, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, APPROVE, UH, THIS, UH, PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION. UH, DO I HAVE A SECOND TO THAT Q SECOND? YEAH. HUG. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO UNLESS LEY APPROVES THEM WIDENING THE ROAD, YOU DON'T WANNA GIVE THEM APPROVAL TO NO, I SAID THEY HAVE TO COME BACK. THEY, THEY HAVE TO COME, THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO US FOR RECONSIDERATION. THAT'S [00:15:01] ALL. THAT'S ALL. OKAY. WE DON'T SAY IT. WE DON'T SAY IT'S NOT. CAN, CAN YOU JUST, CAN YOU JUST READ IT ONE MORE TIME SO I HAVE IT CORRECTLY FOR TOMORROW, WHAT I SAID, AND, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE, MONA, LISTEN TO ME CAREFULLY. OKAY. IT'S STILL CONFUSING. FIX IT. OKAY. OKAY. BECAUSE WHAT I SAID WAS, MUST RECEIVE APPROVAL FROM THE, FROM THE VILLAGE OF ARDSLEY PRIOR TO APPROVAL OF THE FINAL SUBDIVISION, OR COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR RECONSIDERATION. I'M NOT CLEAR. OKAY. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. CORRECT. SO EITHER, EITHER HAVE TO COME BACK TO RECONSIDERATION OR THEY GET APPROVAL, ONE OR THE OTHER. IF THERE'S A BETTER, IF, IF YOU'RE A BETTER LANGUAGE, DAVE, I, I'M ALL FOR YOU. UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT. THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. I THINK IT, I THINK THAT WORKS. OKAY. OKAY. TZ HAD A QUESTION? YES. NO, JUST WANTED TO SAY, WHY CAN'T YOU JUST SAY SIMPLIFY TO SAY THEY HAVE TO COME BACK FOR, UH, WHATEVER UPDATE TO THE PLOT BEFORE THEY GET A FINAL SUBDIVISION? RIGHT. THEY'RE GONNA NOT GONNA COME BEFORE A FINAL SUBDIVISION. UH, IF IT'S APPROVED BY ARTLEY, IT'S NOT GONNA COME BEFORE US BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PRESU UH, SUBDIVISION IS TWO STEP PROCESS. SO IT WON'T BE PROCESSED BY AARON. UM, IF THAT'S, THAT'S THE CASE. UH, IF THEY DON'T, THEN, UH, MR. SCHWARTZ LANGUAGE, I BELIEVE COVERS THAT. I THINK IT'S SUFFICIENT. YEAH. OKAY. ALL GOOD. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTION BEFORE WE TAKE, UH, UH, FIRST OF ALL, DID ANYONE SECOND MY MOTION? I SECOND. SECOND? YES. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTION BEFORE I CALL THE VOTE? IF NOT, IT IS, UH, UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR IN, UH, APPRO, UH, PB 1916 AS AMENDED? YES. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED OR NONE? OKAY. SO WE GOT THAT ONE OUTTA WAY. WE HAVE STEEP SLOPES STILL, AARON? CORRECT. WE ALSO HAVE TO VOTE ON THE STEEP SLOPE. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE STEEP SLOPE AS AMENDED. 'CAUSE IT'S THE SAME, SAME THING AS AMENDED. DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, THE NEXT ONE IS UH, FOUR B. UM, FOUR B IS A, UH, PENDING APPROVAL WITHOUT ANY SPECIAL CON, UH, CONDITION IN STRAIGHTFORWARD A, UH, UH, UH, PROPOSED, UM, APPROVAL. IS ANY DISCUSSION ON, UH, THIS IS PB 21 DASH 11, UH, GOLIA? YEAH. OKAY. IS ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS, UH, PROPOSED, UH, APPROVAL? YES. YES. CHAIRPERSON SIMON. SO, AS YOU MENTIONED, UM, SO THIS IS P CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 11 GRIER. MM-HMM. SIX CHAUNCEY CIRCLE, P O LEY, THE APPLICANT SEEKING A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPROVAL, UH, IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT THAT'S BEEN REVIEWED. AND WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS, UH, WITH RESPECT TO SITE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS AND MODIFICATIONS WE DID ADD IN FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING. I JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH THOSE AND I APOLOGIZE THEY WEREN'T HIGHLIGHTED SO THAT THEY WEREN'T, UM, CORRECTLY BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION. BUT WE DID JUST ADD IN, UH, CONDITION 5.1 THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL CAUSE TO HAVE THE EXISTING ONSITE DRAINAGE SYSTEM INSTALLED IN CONNECTION WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY, INSPECTED TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT IS IN FUNCTIONING AS INTENDED, AND SUBMIT THOSE RESULTS TO THE TOWN ENGINEER. SO I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER ON THAT. UH, IN FACT, HE ALREADY DID TAKE A LOOK AT IT, BUT HE'LL SUBMIT THE RESULTS TO THE, UH, THE TOWN ENGINEER. AND THEN 5.2, WE JUST WANTED TO INCLUDE IT AS A CONDITION. IT IS SHOWN ON THE PLAN, BUT THAT THE APPLICANT WILL INSTALL LANDSCAPING AS PROVIDED FOR ON THE PLAN AROUND THE RIP WRAP, UH, STONE RIP WRAP LEVEL SPREADER, WE WANTED TO INCLUDE THE CONDITION AS WELL. UM, PARTICULARLY WE DO THIS FOR POOLS A LOT OF THE TIME, BUT PARTICULARLY THE COMMENTS OF THE NEIGHBOR DOWN SLOPE, WE WANTED TO ENSURE THAT THE POOL WATER IS CARTED OFF SITE AND NOT DRAINED DOWN THE SLOPE, UM, TOWARDS THE NEIGHBOR OR ANYWHERE ELSE THAT, UH, WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE. SO WE'VE INCLUDED THAT. AND THEN, UH, DAVID FREE SUGGESTED, [00:20:01] AND I THINK IT WAS A GREAT SUGGESTION THAT WE ADD IN 5.4, WHICH, UH, JUST INDICATES THAT THE APPLICANT MUST COMPLY WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE WITH RESPECT TO, UH, SUPPLEMENTARY USE OF SWIMMING POOLS. SO WE ADDED THOSE IN. I DID WANT TO NOTE THAT MR. HILDENBRAND WAS ON THIS EVENING, UM, IN RESPONSE TO COMMENTS AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, DID PROVIDE A MEMO DATED OCTOBER 29TH, JUST INDICATING THAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO, UM, SHOW THAT THERE WILL BE A DECREASE, UM, WITH RESPECT TO RUNOFF IN THE 50 YEAR STORM EVENT. SO, WHILE THE CODE INDICATES YOU MUST DESIGN FOR A 25 YEAR, THE BOARD HAD ASKED IF THERE WAS ANY OPPORTUNITY, UH, GIVEN THE TESTIMONY BY THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT RUNOFF FROM, FROM THAT MOST RECENT EVENT. IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT COULD BE DONE TO ENHANCE THE SYSTEM, OR AT LEAST, UM, SHOW THAT IT, IT, IT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO HANDLE SOMETHING GREATER THAN A 25 YEAR STORM. AND MR. HILDENBRAND WAS ABLE TO DO THAT. SO IS THAT WE APPLAUD HIS EFFORTS THERE. HAVE OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT ON THAT COMMENT. UH, THEY HAVE NOT, BUT WHAT I CAN DO IS PART OF THE STONEWATER MANAGEMENT CONTROL PERMIT, THAT'S AN OBLIGATION OF THE APPLICANT TO OBTAIN PRIOR TO EVEN FILING FOR A BUILDING PERMIT. I CAN, UH, TAKE IT UPON MYSELF TO ENSURE THAT, THAT THE CALCULATIONS PROVIDED BY MR. HILDENBRAND ARE ACCURATE. OKAY. SO I WILL DO THAT. OKAY. UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS APPLICATION? OKAY, IF NOT, I PROPOSE THAT WE, UH, UH, APPROVE THIS. UH, HERE'S, UH, CCRA, MR. CHAIRMAN THERE, CCRA FIRST? UH, YEAH. SO THIS WOULD QUALIFY AS A TYPE TWO ACTION CHAIRPERSON. AND SIMON, I'LL MOVE THAT. I'LL MOVE THAT. THIS, UH, 2111 IS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? NONE. SO THIS IS CLASSIFIED AS A TYPE TWO ACTION ON ZIKA. UH, NO, DAVID, THAT MICHAEL, MICHAEL DIDN'T VOTE ON THAT. OH, HE IS? IT'S ALL RIGHT. HE IS NOT, HE'S NOT, HE IS NOT AT HIS DESK. HE'S THERE. HERE, MICHAEL, WE JUST VOTED ON WHETHER THIS IS A TYPE TWO ACTION OR NOT. DO YOU WANNA VOTE? THIS IS ON MICHAEL PBB, 21 DASH 11 21 11. MICHAEL? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL YOU VOTES. YES. THANK YOU. SO, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL CLASSIFY THIS AS A TYPE TWO ACTION. OKAY. UM, NO, WE STILL HAVE TO TAKE ANOTHER VOTE ON THE, THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT ITSELF. UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED. WE HAVE A MOTION. SO MOVED. THAT WAS CORRECT. YEAH. CORRECT. TOM. AND THEN, CORRECT. OKAY. SO ALL IN FAVOR OF, UH, THEN NOW, UH, UH, NOW THAT WE HAVE DONE SEEKER, AND, UH, SO WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON, UH, UH, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYE. OPPOSED TO WAS THAT AYE. AYE. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. AND NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. NO. OKAY. UH, THE NEXT IS A, UH, THE, UH, THE FOUNTAIN HEAD APARTMENT. UM, DO WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE FROM THE FOUNTAIN HEAD TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? UH, WE DO NOT CHAIR BRUCE AND SIMON. OKAY. I CAN, I CAN SPEAK TO IT, UH, BASED ON INFORMATION AND CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH, UM, THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER. UM, OKAY. AS WELL AS, AS WELL AS SOME INFORMATION WE RECEIVED FROM, FROM THE NEIGHBOR AT 26 PENNY. SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO FIRST ANNOUNCE, AND THERE WAS AN EMAIL THAT WAS SENT AROUND, UH, EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON. SHE CAME IN FROM MR. CARELLI REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, THE FOUNTAIN HEAD APARTMENT. UM, THERE WAS A BRIEF LETTER INDICATING THAT THERE HAD, AT THE REQUEST OF THE PLANNING BOARD COMING OUTTA THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE NEIGHBOR AT 26 PENNY LANE REGARDING THE FENCE. UM, SO THAT HOPEFULLY THEY WOULD COME TO A, A MUTUALLY AGREEABLE, YOU KNOW, COMPROMISE IN TERMS OF [00:25:01] WHAT THE FENCE MATERIAL WOULD BE. UH, I WAS TOLD THAT AN ATTEMPT TO COMMUNICATE WAS MADE, THAT THERE WAS SOME COMMUNICATION, BUT THAT THE PARTIES WERE UNABLE TO AGREE ON THE TYPE OF FENCE. MR. KELLI'S LETTER GOES ON TO INDICATE THAT THE APPLICANT FOUNTAINHEAD APARTMENT IS AGREEABLE TO INSTALLING, UH, THE CHAIN LINK FENCE, WHICH IS THEY'VE ALREADY, UH, REBUILT IN THAT AREA, AND THEN INCLUDING, UM, WHITE VINYL TO, FOR SCREENING PURPOSES. SO THAT WAS SUBMITTED. THERE WAS A PHOTOGRAPH. I DON'T THINK IT WAS A GREAT PHOTOGRAPH. I TRIED TO ENHANCE IT SO THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SEE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. UM, WHAT I DID ASK FOR AND RECEIVED WAS ACTUALLY THE CUT SHEET FOR THE FENCE MATERIAL. AND I'M GONNA LOOK TO BRING THAT UP MOMENTARILY. PLEASE DO. UM, SO YOU CAN SEE IT ADDITIONALLY. UM, AND I, I WILL DO THAT, UH, MOMENTARILY. ADDITIONALLY, THE, UM, THE NEIGHBOR AND, AND, AND I NOTED TO THE NEIGHBOR THAT, UM, THE, THE, THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD HAS CLOSED. BUT AN EMAIL CAME IN AFTER I HAD LEFT THE OFFICE THIS AFTERNOON INDICATING THAT, UM, THEY HAD NOT REACHED AN AGREEMENT THAT THEY WERE DISSATISFIED WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, APPLICANT'S COMMUNICATION ON THIS. AND THEY WERE HOPING THE BOARD WOULD RULE IN THEIR FAVOR. UM, AND I KNOW THAT THE NEIGHBOR WAS IN TOUCH WITH MR. DESAI DIRECTLY, SO I DON'T KNOW IF MR. DESAI HAS ANYTHING TO ADD ON THAT, BUT I WILL RETRIEVE THE DIRECT EMAIL FROM THE NEIGHBOR AS WELL AS THE CUT SHEET FROM, UH, THE FOUNTAINHEAD APARTMENT. SO JUST GIMME A MOMENT ON THAT. OKAY? OKAY. CORRECT. MR. DEI, DID YOU HAVE, DID, WAS THERE ANYTHING I MISSED THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD? NO, I, I THINK HE JUST, UH, UH, REACH OUT TO ME AND HE SAYS, UH, WHAT THE, UH, WHEN YOU SAID HE, HE MEANING WHO? UH, THE NAME, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. OKAY. ONE SIX LANE. UH, OKAY. MR. . OKAY. OKAY. THAT THEY HAVE A, UH, HE FELT VERY, UH, HE WAS UPSET THAT THEY, UH, THE FA THE PUBLIC, UH, COOPERATING AND, UH, DISCUSSING IT. HE JUST SAYS, THIS IS WHAT YOU GOT. AND, UH, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, TOUGH LUCK. SO, UH, WHAT DID HE, A LITTLE UPSET ABOUT IT. SO I, I FOLLOWED IT TO AARON, UH, AND COMMUNICATED. UH, DID HE TELL, DID THE NEIGHBOR TELL YOU WHAT HE, HE THOUGHT HE'D BE SATISFIED WITH? I THINK THAT HE SENT IT SOME PHOTOGRAPH TO AARON. HE DID. I'M ABOUT TO SHOW THOSE. I'LL SHOW REMEMBER WHO THE, WHO, WHAT DO WE SEE? IS THAT THE NEIGHBORS PHOTOGRAPH OF WHAT, WHAT, WHAT HE'D LIKE TO SEE? I'M GONNA FIRST SHOW THE NEIGHBORS AND THEN I WILL SHOW THE CUT SHEET FROM THE APPLICANT. OKAY. OKAY. BEAR WITH ME FOR A MOMENT. YEP. BEAR WITH ME JUST FOR A MOMENT. EXCUSE ME, GUYS. YOU KNOW, ONE, I THINK IN, IN GENERAL. OKAY. YEAH. IN GENERAL. I'LL HOLD MY COMMENT TO ASK. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. I THINK HE WANTED A SOLID VINYL FENCE. I THINK, UH, HE, HE, HE DID. SO I, IT'S JUST LOADING NOW AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE DELAY. OKAY. SO HERE WE GO. OKAY, GO AHEAD. LET ME SHARE THE SCREEN. IT'S LOADING. UM, THIS IS THE EMAIL. IT, IT'S LOADING NOW. IT'S GONNA BE SIDEWAYS. I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S THE WAY IT CAME IN. HE HAS, HE IS INDICATED THAT HE HAS, UH, SO IT SAYS, HELLO, MR. SCHMIDT. ATTACHED, PLEASE FIND A PHOTO OF WHITE VINYL, NO, SEE-THROUGH FENCE, LIKE WHAT I HAVE ON ONE SIDE OF MY HOUSE. SO APPRECIATE THE TOWN PLANNING BOARD TO TELL FOUNTAIN HEAD COMPLEX TO INSTALL THE SAME. ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO GET IN THE MEETING, SO PLEASE SEND ME THE LINK. SO I DID WRITE BACK, UM, THE NEIGHBOR THAT, UM, THAT I WILL WOULD SHOW THIS TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND FOR ITS, AND FOR ITS CONSIDERATION, I DID INDICATE THAT IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, UM, THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED. I DID ALSO INDICATE THAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ALSO CLOSED. SO IT WOULD BE COMPLETELY UP TO THE BOARD WHETHER IT WISHES TO ADMIT THIS INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD. BUT THAT I WOULD CERTAINLY BRING, KAREN, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO THIS IS, THAT'S [00:30:01] IN PLASTIC. THAT, THAT ONE LET THIS, THIS, ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT'S EMAIL IS A WHITE VINYL FENCE THAT RUNS ALONG IT'S SIDE, ONE OF ITS SIDE PROPERTY LINES. IT APPEARS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO THE FENCING WE'VE SEEN, UH, FROM THE PHOTOGRAPHS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT ALONG THE REAR YARD OF OTHER NEIGHBORS, WHICH I CAN BRING UP THOSE PHOTOS. YEAH, HANG ON. I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT. HANG ON BEFORE YOU NO, NO. LEAVE THIS UP FOR A SECOND. THE THING TO ME IS, THE ONES THAT ARE WRONG, THERE'S OTHER PROPERTIES ARE PURE WHITE. THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S WORN OUT. IS THAT JUST A PHOTOGRAPH? IT WOR THAT'S A WEATHER. WAIT, HOLD ON. IS IT'S NOT WORN OUT. IT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED. IT NEEDS POWER WASHED. THAT'S ALL NEED, NEED. POWER WASH, BE POWER WASH. THAT'S ALL. MOLD. JUST NEED TO BE. WELL, AND THAT, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IN THAT AREA, THAT IT DOES NOT GET A LOT OF SUN. 'CAUSE YOU SEE, EVEN THE GROUND THERE, YOU DON'T SEE A LAWN. IT DOESN'T GET A LOT OF SUN. SO YOU WILL GET, UH, UM, MOLD AND, AND THAT WILL DEFINITELY DIMINISH THE LIFESPAN OF A WOODEN FENCE. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE APPLICANT WANT TO GET RID OF A WOODEN FENCE. THIS IS THE FENCE THAT EXISTS ALONG THE APPLICANT'S ONE ANOTHER. I UNDERSTAND THAT, WALTER, THE REASON I, THE REASON I SUGGESTED IT, HE'S WORRIED ABOUT A AESTHETICS, BUT HIS SIDE YARD FENCE IS FULL OF MOLD. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. YEAH. OUT, OUT, OUT. OKAY. THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL. I JUST SAY I WAS, I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA RAISE THE SAME CONCERN. IF A APPEARANCE IS HIS MAIN REASON FOR GETTING THE FENCE RIGHT, AND THE ONE THAT HE HAS ISN'T BEING, UH, TAKEN CARE OF, THEN TO ME A COMPROMISE WOULD BE TO SPLIT THE COST WITH THE, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE PROPERTY. OKAY. TO GET WHAT HE WANTS. THAT'S FAIR. OTHERWISE, ANY FENCE SHOULD BE APPROPRIATE. WELL, SO I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP THE, UH, WHY DON'T YOU, YEAH. OKAY. LET AARON BRING, OKAY. DO YOU BRING UP THE, BECAUSE ADMITTEDLY THE PHOTO, THE PHOTO THAT CAME THROUGH FROM THE APPLICANT, I, I THOUGHT WAS A POOR QUALITY PHOTO. I THINK MR. FREE MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING. UM, BUT LET ME, SO YEAH, SO CAN EVERYONE SEE AS YOU'RE, AS YOU'RE PUTTING THAT UP? OH, I, AS, AS YOU'RE PUTTING THAT UP, LET ME JUST, UH, REMIND, UH, THE BOARD BOTH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE NEIGHBOR AND ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, GETTING IT NOW FROM FOUNTAINHEAD BOTH CAME A LITTLE BIT LATE AFTER THE RECORD. UM, YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I, I PREFER IF THE BOARD NOT HAVE A SORT OF A DEBATE AT THIS TIME AS TO, UH, EITHER ONE. IF THE BOARD HAS, IF THERE IS A FAVORITE OF THE BOARD, UH, BETWEEN THE TWO OPTIONS, UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE BOARD CHOOSE THAT, AND THEN WE CAN ADD THAT, UH, UH, OR MAKE THIS, UH, MODIFICATION TO THE SITE PLAN, UH, THAT WAS PRESENTED. IF THERE'S NO AGREEMENT, THEN I WOULD SAY WE WOULD MOVE ON AND EITHER, UH, HA TA TABLE THIS FOR ANOTHER NIGHT. IF, IF WE CAN'T REACH AN AGREEMENT ON A PARTICULAR, UH, FENCE. UM, THE, THE, UH, MR. SNAGS MADE A, UH, VERY INTERESTING POINT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THEY AGREE, I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE THE DECISION TONIGHT. IF THE PARTIES COME BACK AND, YOU KNOW, IN RETROSPECT THEY'RE IN AGREEMENT, THEY CAN ALWAYS COME BACK TO US. UH, AND WE CAN MODIFY THIS THAT MUCH FURTHER. DAVE, THANK, THANK YOU FOR THE ADVICE. THE ONE THING I DO WANNA SAY IS WE ACTUALLY REQUESTED THIS INFORMA, ACTUALLY MICHAEL DID AT THE LAST MEETING, SAID, MEET, MEET, AND HOW COULD WE POSSIBLY MAKE THE DECISION IF THERE IS A DISAGREEMENT WITHOUT ACTUALLY V VIEWING THIS? SO, I, I THINK VIEWING THESE WERE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO ACTUALLY IN HELPING US MAKE THE DECISION. I DON'T THINK, AND IT WAS, IT WAS INFORMATION THAT WE ACTUALLY REQUESTED FOR THIS MEETING AS A BOARD. NO, I, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR. I AGREE. I, I, I, I THINK YOU MISUNDERSTOOD. I I'M NOT SAYING IT SHOULDN'T. WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT CAME FROM BOTH PARTIES LATE. UM, BUT IT CAME ULTIMATELY, THAT'S ALL. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. IN, IN TERMS OF MOVING FORWARD, I SEE, UH, UH, WHETHER NO, I SEE THREE DIFFERENT, I SEE MAYBE, WELL, TWO OPTIONS, MAYBE THREE. ONE OF THE OPTIONS IS THAT, UH, WE ACCEPT, UH, UH, THAT, UH, THE WIRE FENCING AROUND WITH THE PROVISION THAT THAT SECTION OF THE WIRE FENCING WOULD BE WHITE WITH THE WHITE SLOTS. THAT'S, THAT'S [00:35:01] ONE OF THE DECISIONS WE COULD MAKE. UH, WE COULD, UH, MAKE THE DECISION THAT IT MUST BE, UH, UH, UH, THE WIRE FENCE, UH, MUST BE THE WHITE VINYL FENCE SIMILAR TO WHAT THE NEIGHBOR HAS ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. THAT COULD BE IT. UH, AND, UH, AND, UH, AND THE OTHER ONE, IT COULD, UH, BE THAT, BUT THE APPLICANT AND THE NEIGHBOR SPLIT THE COURSE OF THAT, UH, WHITE FINAL FENCE. THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE, THE THREE OPTIONS. I SEE. IF SOMEONE ELSE HAVE A DIFFERENT OPTION, THEN LET'S PUT THAT IN THE, ON THE TABLE. OKAY. AND JUST, UH, YES. CAN I SPEAK? GO AHEAD, MICHAEL. OKAY. I THINK WALTER, MICHAEL, MICHAEL, SPEAK. GO AHEAD. MICHAEL, CAN I SPEAK OR, WELL, MICHAEL, YOU, I'LL LET MICHAEL FINISH IN THE CURRICULUM. UM, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT'S REGRETTABLE THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS TO BE IN A POSITION OF DECIDING WHAT A FENCE SHOULD LOOK LIKE BETWEEN TWO NEIGHBORS. RIGHT? UM, THIS IS REALLY NOT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE TO DO, BUT I GUESS WE'RE FORCED, UH, INTO THIS POSITION. UM, LOOK, FENCE IS NEEDED THERE FOR TWO REASONS. I MEAN, ORIGINALLY, APPARENTLY IT, IT WAS TO KEEP OUT CONSTRUCTION NOISE, BUT IT'S ALSO NEEDED FOR SAFETY BECAUSE FOUNTAIN HELD BUILT A, YOU KNOW, 15 TO 24 RETAINING WALL BEHIND THESE HOUSES. AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN, IT WOULD BE THEIR OBLIGATION TO PUT UP A FENCE TO PROTECT KIDS FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES TO THE WEST FROM FALLING OVER THEIR RETAINING WALL. UM, THE, THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT FOUNTAIN HAD SENT OF THAT VINYL THING, FIRST OF ALL, YOU COULD BARELY SEE WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE, AND IT WAS JUST UGLY. UM, AARON DID HIS BEST TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT, MAKE IT LOOK BETTER. BUT, UH, EVEN THE BEST OF US CAN'T, UH, YOU KNOW, CAN'T DO THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, LOOK, MOST OF THE FENCING BACK THERE IS THIS WHITE VINYL FENCE ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF FOUNTAINHEAD. ALL THE NEIGHBORS PUT IT UP. I THINK WE SHOULD JUST SAY, LOOK, FOUNTAINHEAD PUT UP A WHITE VINYL FENCE AT YOUR OWN EXPENSE, OR WE'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE THE ORIGINAL, YOU KNOW, REQUIREMENTS. PUT UP A WOODEN FENCE. UM, AND LET'S GET THIS OVER WITH, OKAY. AND THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S ONE WHO WAS, UH, ANOTHER, UH, WAS NEXT TO WALTER THEN ME, PLEASE CORRECT. FIRST. YEAH. WAIT A MINUTE. CORRECT. CUT. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK ABOUT THE, I AGREE WITH MICHAEL. IT SAYS WE, UH, WE HAD LAST PUBLIC HEARING CONCLUDED WITH, UH, FOUND THE, THE APPLICANT TO TALK TO THE NEIGHBOR AND RESOLVE SATISFACTORY TO BOTH OF THEIR, UH, TO, TO THE NEIGHBOR'S. UH, CONCERN. AND CONSIDERING THE COST OF THE WOODEN FENCE AND WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER AT 26 PENNY LANE IS SIGNIFICANTLY REASONABLE. AND THE, THE SECOND POINT IS, UH, THAT, OR THIRD POINT IS THAT THE, THE PLASTIC INSERT INTO THE CHAIN LINK FENCE IS THAT IT LOOKS, IT IS, IT LOOKS AFTER, UH, UH, AFTER A FEW YEARS, IT'S A PHRASE AND IT LOOKS TERRIBLE. AND, OKAY. AND, AND UNLESS THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE SLEDS EVERY, EVERY OTHER YEAR, THAT, THAT, IT WILL MAKE IT A, UH, SAME AS WHAT IS A PHOTOGRAPHS THAT AARON HAS SHOWN. SO I THINK, UH, IT'S A REASONABLE TO SAY, PUT A, PUT A VINYL FENCE THAT IS AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND JUST MOVE ON. OKAY. THE, UH, HUGH? YEAH. I, I, I'M, I THINK WE SHOULD END THIS RIGHT NOW. RIGHT? I AGREE WITH BOTH WALTER AND MICHAEL. AND THE OTHER THING, JUST ONE OTHER THING. IF YOU READ THE LETTER FROM THE NEIGHBOR, THE NEIGHBOR, ONE OF THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS WAS THAT IT WAS, THAT IT'D BE SEAT YES. BUT THE FENCE MAY BE SEE-THROUGH THE SLAT FENCE IS SEE-THROUGH DULY TO SOME EXTENT ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE. THEREFORE, I THINK I'D LIKE TO MOVE RIGHT NOW THAT WE REQUIRE FOUNTAIN HEAD TO PUT UP A VINYL FENCE BEHIND 26 PENNY LANE. OKAY. UH, AND, AND, AND THERE WAS ANOTHER, A THIRD OPTION WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THE, UH, O OKAY, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S GET THE, LEMME I FOUND, WAIT, WAIT MINUTE I SECOND THE MOTION. CAN I MAKE ONE SUGGESTION? ONE SUGGESTION TO THE MOTION? YES. MY SUGGESTION IS THEY SOUGHT RELIEF FROM THE WOODEN FENCE. YES. UH, [00:40:01] ALTERNATIVELY, THEY COULD JUST NOT DO ANYTHING AND JUST REPLACE IT WITH A WOODEN FENCE. UH, SO I AM SUGGESTING, BUT YOU HAVE YOUR MOTION. THE SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT THEY EITHER REPLACE IT WITH, FOR THE WOODEN FENCE, IF THEY, UH, WITH A WOODEN FENCE, IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO, THEN THEY, THEY CHOOSE THE VINYL FENCE MARCH 20TH, UH, THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO DAVID. I THINK, I THINK WE HAVE TO DO IT THAT WAY. OKAY. UM, SO MICHAEL, YOU'RE AMENDING YOUR MOTION. IT'S MY MOTION. I'LL, I'LL AMEND IT, I'LL AMEND IT'S LANGUAGE. BASICALLY IT SAYS, PUT UP A VINYL FENCE, AND IF YOU DON'T PUT UP THE VINYL FENCE, WE'RE GONNA REVERT TO THE ORIGINAL REQUIREMENT OF A WOODEN FENCE. SO YOU HAVE TO PUT UP ONE OR THE OTHER. A VINYL FENCE IS WOODEN FENCE, BUT IT'S ONLY ORIGINAL. MICHAEL, I JUST WANNA BE, WE JUST GOTTA CLARIFY ONE THING. OKAY. IT'S ONLY BEHIND 26 PENNY LANE. WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE THE WOODEN FENCE. OKAY. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR. OKAY. YEAH. VINYLS. OKAY. I HAVE ONE VINYL WALL. WOODEN? YES. VINYL OR WOODEN. YES. AARON, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION. THE WOODEN FENCE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT WAS SIX FEET. UM, IS THAT THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE VINYL FENCE? I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE. I THINK IT BE DIFFERENT. WHAT, WHAT ARE THE OTHER FENCES AROUND THERE? THEY'RE ABOUT SIX. YEAH. THE SIX FEET ISN'T NOT THE STANDARD HEIGHT FOOT VINYL FENCE. PRETTY MUCH SIX FEET. YEAH, THOSE EIGHT TALLER. I WOULD RECOMMEND THE SAME SIZE. THE SAME HEIGHT. THE SAME HEIGHT. I WOULD AS WELL. YEAH. SO I'M AMENDING MY MOTION TO USE DAVID'S LANGUAGE FOR BEHIND 26 PENNY LANE. THEY, THEY CAN LEAVE THE CHAIN LINK FENCE THE REST OF THE WAY, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S MY MOTION. OKAY. AMENDED MICHAEL. OKAY. WANNA SECOND IT? SECOND? YEAH, I AMEND MY SECOND AS AMENDED. OKAY. OKAY. DO WE, AND WE GOT WHO SECONDED THAT MICHAEL DID? UH, MICHAEL, YEAH. HE SECONDED ORIGINALLY AND THEN AMENDED HIS SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE AMEND. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. OKAY. SO THAT IS THE, YEAH, SO THAT'S NOW IS IS THE PICK FENCE WHITE? YEAH, WE, THERE'S NO OTHER, I'M TRYING TO SEE, THERE'S NO OTHER MOTION. THERE'S NO OTHER THING WE HAVE TO DO ON SNOW. NO, THAT'S, THERE'S MORE. SO WE WILL MODIFY, WE WILL MODIFY THE DRAFT DECISION THAT YOU SAW IN YOUR PACKAGES TO REFLECT THE, THE MOTION THAT, AND THE VOTE THAT WAS TAKEN THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, THANK YOU, MICHAEL, FOR JUST GETTING DOWN TO THE CHASE REST RATHER THAN CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION. SO, UM, THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, CASE P B OH NINE DASH 12, UH, UH, UH, 66, UH, UH, BEACH STREET. AND THAT IS IN THE, OKAY. YOU, YOU CAN INTRODUCE IT AND THEN I, I WANNA FOLLOW UP ON THAT. YEAH, I HAVE SOME NOTES ON IT, SO I'M, I'M HAPPY TO READ THOSE OUT FOR, FOR YOU. CHAIRPERSON SIMON THEN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, AS YOU INDICATED, THE NEXT CASE IS PB OH NINE DASH 12. THAT'S B H A CONSULTANT LOCATED AT 66 BEACH STREET. UH, AND WITHIN THE R DASH FIVE SLASH LMF LIMITED MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT, THE APPLICANT SEEKS A RETROACTIVE EXTENSION OF SITE PLAN AND PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPROVAL. A FORMER APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED APPROVALS TO CONSTRUCT A MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCE, ASSISTING A FIVE TOWNHOUSE STYLE DWELLING UNIT ON VACANT LAND. THE INITIAL SITE PLAN AND PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, UH, APPROVALS WERE GRANTED BY THE PLANNING BOARD ON MAY 3RD, 2012. A FORMER OWNER MOST RECENTLY RECEIVED EXTENSIONS OF THE SITE PLAN AND STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPROVALS ON APRIL 5TH, 2018, WHICH WERE VALID THROUGH MAY 3RD, 2020. THE CURRENT OWNER AND ITS REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD MEMBERS MAY HAVE. UH, I DID JUST WANT TO NOTE CHAIRPERSON SIMON, THAT YOU DID ASK IF I WOULD PULL, UH, SOME INFORMATION RELATED TO WHETHER OR NOT THE BOARD HAS ISSUED RETROACTIVE EXTENSIONS AND, AND WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE. UM, BUT TO PULL THOSE SPECIFIC CASE NUMBERS, UM, GIVEN THE C OVID 19 PANDEMIC, I KNOW THE BOARD HAS BEEN, UM, OPEN TO ISSUING SOME RETROACTIVE EXTENSIONS. SO THE THREE THAT I PULLED, UH, OR MATT PULLED, I SHOULD SAY GIVE [00:45:01] HIM THE CREDIT HERE. UM, ONE WAS THE LENIS PROJECT, L E N I S, CASE NUMBER PB 17 DASH 31 AT 1 95 GIBSON AVENUE. THAT WAS A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT THAT HAD LAPSED DURING COVID. AND THE PLANNING BOARD ISSUED A RETROACTIVE EXTENSION, UM, ALSO CASE NUMBER PB 14 DASH 12, THE SOLANO SUBDIVISION ON BARNABY LANE. THAT WAS AN EXTENSION OF A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL THAT HAD LAPSED AND THAT WAS ISSUED BY THE PLANNING BOARD. AND THEN ALSO MORE RECENTLY, UH, ONE IN, IN MORE RECENT MEMORY, CASE NUMBER PV 18 DASH 15, UH, 1 35 OLD ARMY ROAD, THE LUCCI GALLUS SUBDIVISION, UH, THAT WAS ONE WHERE THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION, UH, APPROVAL EXPIRED AS WELL. THAT'S THE ONE THAT THEY ENDED UP GOING BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD FOR THE SOLAR PANEL. AND THE PLANNING BOARD ULTIMATELY DID ISSUE A RETROACTIVE NOC PROTON EXTENSION. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THOSE UP. I CAN, I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU. AND WE DO HAVE, UH, THE NEW OWNER AS WELL AS ITS REPRESENTATIVES HERE THIS EVENING. OKAY. IN ADDITION TO THAT, I, I ASKED DAVID, UH, TO RESEARCH, UH, UH, UH, THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE WHEN, UH, THAT AREA OF THE TOWN, UH, URBAN RENEWAL DESIGNATION WAS REMOVED. UH, WHEN THAT WAS DONE. IT, UH, THE, THE ISSUE, THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND IT, IT INDICATED THAT, UH, MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, UH, SHOULD BE GRANDFATHERED, BUT ALL OTHER NEW HOUSES SHOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY. AND WHEN WE TOOK THE URBAN RENEWAL, UH, UH, UH, DESIGNATION OFF IN THAT LAW, IT STATED THAT MULTI-FAMILY, EXISTING MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTS WOULD GREAT BE GRANDFATHERED. AND APPLICATION THAT WAS APPROVED WILL BE GRANDFATHERED. AND THIS IS THE APPLICATION THAT WAS APPROVED. SO LEGALLY, UH, THERE IS NO REASON, NO LEGAL REASON WHY WE CANNOT EXTEND THE APPLICATION. SO THERE'S NO LEGAL, SO BOILS DOWN TO A, A STANDARD REQUEST TO, UH, UH, UH, EXTEND AN APPLICATION. THERE'S NO LEGAL BARRIER FOR US TO DO, UH, FROM DOING THAT. IT BECOMES A STRAIGHTFORWARD PLANNING BOARD DECISION WHETHER OR NOT WE EXTEND, UH, THE APPLICATION. SO I WANNA MAKE THAT CORRECT. OKAY. YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, RIGHT? YES. CHAIRPERSON. SIMON, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, FOR BRINGING THAT UP. I, I, UM, WANTED TO AT THE SAME TIME BRING UP THE CO THE SECTION OF OUR ORDINANCE, OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, 2 85 DASH 16 TWO, WHICH STATES EXACTLY WHAT YOU MENTIONED, THAT, UM, PRINCIPAL USES PERMITTED WITHIN THIS DISTRICT INCLUDE ALL LIMITED MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCES. AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL PULL UP THAT DEFINITION. 'CAUSE I, I DID LOCATE THAT AS WELL, UM, AS DEFINED IN SECTION 2 85 DASH FIVE, EITHER APPROVED OR LAWFULLY EXISTING AT THE TIME OF THE ENACTMENT OF THIS SECTION, WHICH WAS IN, UH, NOVEMBER 14TH, 2018. SO, AND THEN I'LL, WE'LL TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT WHAT IS MEANT BY, OR HOW IS, UH, LIMITED, HOW OUR LIMITED MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCE IS DEFINE, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE BOARD AS WELL. SO JUST BEAR WITH ME. OKAY. IT'S VERY SIMPLE, BUT IT, AND WHICH IS GREAT, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THESE AREN'T, AND THEY'RE NOT 100% CLEAR. I THINK THIS IS QUITE CLEAR. THIS IS STRAIGHT FROM THE CODE. LIMITED MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCES ARE DEFINED AS TWO FAMILY TOWNHOUSE AND GARDEN APARTMENTS. THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL IS FOR FIVE UNIT TOWNHOUSE STYLE, UH, DWELLING UNIT. OKAY. SO WITH THAT SAID, THEN WE KNOW IT BECOMES A DECISION OF WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THIS APPLICATION SHOULD BE EXTENDED PROTON. THAT'S THE ISSUE ON THE TABLE. AND THAT THIS BOARD HAS THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO MAKE THAT DECISION. ANY, UH, DISCUSSION ON THAT YOU? [00:50:01] YEAH. UM, I THINK THE, THEY HAD THE APPROVAL AT THE TIME OF THE ZONING CHANGE. THEY OBVIOUSLY ANTICIPATED THAT EVEN THE NEW BUYER HAD TO HAVE ANTICIPATED THAT SINCE IT WAS PRIOR, ALREADY APPROVED. AND THEREFORE, I THINK WE SHOULD GRANT THE EXTENSION PROTON AND WILLING TO MAKE THAT MOTION. NOW, IF, UH, PEOPLE WILL ENTERTAIN THAT. I, I'D LIKE TO JUST ADD ONE THING TO THAT, HUGH. UM, AND JUST TO, IF I CAN GET CONFIRMATION, AARON, IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE, UM, AGENDA THAT EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A CASE FROM, YOU KNOW, 2012, THAT EXTENSIONS HAD BEEN SECURED THROUGH MAY OF 2020, WHICH IS WHAT, ABOUT 18 MONTHS AGO? YES. I CAN CONFER THAT. IT'S NOT ACCURATE. A HUGE GAP. AND WE HAVE APPROVED MANY SIMILAR DURING COVID FOR, YOU KNOW, A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME, SIMILAR. THAT IS CORRECT. I CHECKED THAT WHEN I WAS DOING THE RESEARCH. OKAY, THEN I'LL, I WILL MAKE THAT, I WILL MAKE THE MOTION I JUST STATED SECOND. UM, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OKAY. OKAY. UH, RA, RATHER THAN TAKING THE MOTION, I SHOULD HAVE LEFT, UH, UH, UH, DISCUSSION ASKED, YOU KNOW, THE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE THE FINAL VOTE. ARE THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? IF NOT, THEN WHAT WE DID IS, IS FINE. OKAY. UM, SO THE EXTENSION HAVE BEEN, UH, VOTED ON. AND SO HOW LONG IS THE EXTENSION, AARON? 18 MONTHS? SO, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. IT GENERALLY WOULD BE, UM, A TWO YEAR EXTENSION FROM THE TIME THAT IT LASTS. THAT WOULD, THAT'S SILLY . BELIEVE ME, SIX MONTHS PROBABLY GIVE, THAT WOULDN'T GIVE THEM MUCH TIME, SO, RIGHT. UH, MR. DAVID, IF, IF YOU'RE PERMITTED I'D THREE YEARS, DAVID'S PUTTING UP THE THREE SYMBOL, AND IF THE BOARD IS AGREEABLE, IT HAS THAT RIGHT UNDER THE CODE TO GRANT IT FOR A PERIOD DIFFERENT THAN THE TWO YEARS, WHICH WOULD BE STANDARD THREE. OKAY. I'LL JUST AMEND THE MOTION. I'LL JUST AMEND THE MOTION I MADE TO MAKE A THREE YEAR EXTENSION FROM THE TIME, FROM THE TIME OF LAST EXTENSION. YOU HAVE A SECOND? WELL, THAT WOULD BE MAY, 2023, AARON? YEAH. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. WE, WE NEED A SECOND? YOU HAVE A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. UH, ASK FOR VOTE ON THE MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. UH, ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY. THE, THE, UH, THE PERMIT IS EXTENDED UP TO MAY, WHAT'D YOU SAY? MAY, WHAT WAS THAT DATE? 2023 MAY 3RD, 2023. MAY 3RD. 2023. OKAY. OKAY. DAVID? YES. HOW MANY TIMES CAN THIS BE EXTENDED? THAT'S UP TO THE BOARD. THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO LEGAL THERE. NO LIMIT. THERE'S NO LEGAL, THERE'S NO LIMIT ON SITE PLAN OR, UM, IS THAT STEEP SLOPE? UH, THERE'S NO LIMIT. UM, JUST IN GENERAL, AS YOU KNOW, IF THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGES, UH, LIKE IF MATERIAL LAW OR SOMETHING THAT WAS SOMETHING AFTER, THEN CONSIDER. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, UH, SO THANK YOU. OKAY. NOW WE WILL GO INTO, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING SECTION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING. UH, UH, DEPUTY CALLED ROLE MY PLEASURE. CHAIRPERSON. SIMON? YES. MR. SCHWARTZ? HERE. MR. GOLDEN? HERE. MR. DESAI? HERE. MR. HAY? HERE. MS. RETAG? HERE. MRNA HERE. CAN WE JUST NOTE FOR THE RECORD OUTTA CURIOSITY, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. AARON. JUST NOTE FOR THAT'S OKAY. JUST NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT OUR ALTERNATE MEMBER, JONATHAN CAMPANO, IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, YOU HAD JUST WANNA CONFIRM. I, I KEEP GETTING THAT MY INTERNET CONNECTION IS UNSTABLE. ARE YOU GUYS OKAY SEEING AND HEARING ME? YES. CAN I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR? OKAY. OKAY. UM, AS I INDICATED, UH, DURING THE WORK SESSION THAT, UH, CASE PB 21 DASH 10 23 SPRINGWOOD AVENUE, UH, WOULD, UH, [00:55:01] NOT BE HEARD TONIGHT BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT, UH, RECEIVED, UH, A DECISION FROM THE ZONING BOARD. SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, I I MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, CASE PB 21 DASH 10 IS REMOVED FROM TONIGHT'S AGENDA. MR. CHAIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADJOURN TO A SPECIFIED DATE SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RENO BY THE APPLICANT AGAIN? OKAY. SO LET'S, UH, WHEN IS THE ZONING BOARD, WHEN IS THE ZONING BOARD EXPECTED TO HEAR THIS? SO, ZONING BOARD IS NEXT. EXPECTED TO HEAR THIS ON NOVEMBER 18TH. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU ADJOURN TO DECEMBER 1ST. OKAY, FINE. I DISAGREE WITH THAT. WHY? WE DON'T KNOW THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A DECISION THAT NIGHT. DON'T ADUR THE SECOND TIME THEN YOU SAID YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T WANT 'EM TO RE-NOTICE IT. THE REA DAVE, IF YOU DON'T WANT 'EM TO RE-NOTICE IT, YOU GOTTA GOTTA, I KNOW THAT THE, I KNOW THE RE THE ZONING BOARD WAS LOOKING, WANTED TO SEE, SEE A RENDERING OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. SO THEY, THEY HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT IT, SO I'M CONCERNED THEY, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY MAKE A DECISION THAT NIGHT. A LOT OF TIMES THEY DON'T. AND IF YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO RE NOTICE IT, JUST MAKE IT FOR A FIRST JANUARY MEETING. AT THIS POINT. IF YOU MOVE, UH, IF YOU MOVE IT TO DECEMBER 1ST AND THE Z B A HASN'T MADE A DECISION, YOU CAN DO WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT AND JUST MAKE, UH, ADJOURN IT AGAIN WITHOUT RE NOTICING IT. I UNDERSTAND, BUT I, I THOUGHT THE REASON WHY YOU WANTED TO DO THAT WAS THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO YET ANOTHER NOTICE AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO ANOTHER NOTICE. NO. SO I'M CONFUSED WHEN WE ADJOURN, WHEN WE ADJOURNED TO A SPECIFIED DATE, THEY DON'T NEED ANOTHER NOTICE. THE NEED TO RE-NOTICE. OKAY. THE ONLY THING THEY HAVE TO DO IS, I MISUNDERSTOOD. OKAY. I JUST FOR FURTHER, FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION, THEY DO HAVE THE SIGN. SO IN ADDITION TO THE NOTICE, THEY CAN CHANGE THE SIGN FOR THE CORRECT DATE. SO AT LEAST PEOPLE DRIVING BY ALSO. OKAY. THEN I'LL, I'LL MOVE, MOVE IT TO DECEMBER TO, TO OUR FIRST MEETING IN DECEMBER. DO WE HAVE THE SECOND? OKAY. ALL ALL IN FAVORED MOVE RED. SECONDED. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR OF MOVE IN CASE PPP 2110 TO OUR DECEMBER 1ST MEETING. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL AYE. OPPOSED? A OKAY, SO, SO IT'S ADJOURNED TO OUR DECEMBER 1ST MEETING. SO THE NEXT CASE ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, PB 21 DASH 20. WOULD YOU, UH, INTRODUCE THAT, UH, APPLICATION? YES, ABSOLUTELY. AS CHAIRPERSON SIMON INDICATED. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 20 CHACON, LOCATED AT 84 EUCLID AVENUE P OLEY IN THE R 7.51 FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT SEEKS AMENDED SITE PLAN, I'M SORRY, THE APPLICANT SEEKS, UH, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPROVAL, UM, FOR A PROJECT. PARDON ME, I HAD MY NOTES INCORRECT. FOR A, A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION OF A ONE AND A HALF STORY, ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE ALONG WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO AND A HALF STORY, ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH RELATED IMPROVEMENTS. THE EXISTING DETACHED GARAGE ON SITE WOULD REMAIN AS DISCUSSED DURING THE WORK SESSION. THE NEW HOME WOULD HAVE A NEW FRONT WALKWAY AND A NEW REAR DECK. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING APPROXIMATELY 2098 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO REGULATED STEEP SLOPES. THE PROJECT REQUIRES APPROXIMATELY 233 CUBIC YARDS OF EXCAVATION. THE PROPERTY CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 11,512 SQUARE FEET, AND IT'S SITUATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF EUCLID AVENUE, AGAIN IN THE R SEVEN 7.51 FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. I WILL NOTE THAT THERE WERE NO REQUESTED, UH, REQUESTS FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR REVISIONS COMING OUTTA THE WORK SESSION, AND THEREFORE THERE WAS NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKAGE. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. HAYNES. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. AND IF YOU NEED ME TO SHARE THE SCREEN, I'M HAPPY TO DO SO, OR WE HAVE ALLOWED YOU TO SHARE THE SCREEN IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO THAT. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. REGARDLESS, I WOULD LIKE AT SOME POINT TO HAVE THE SCREEN UP SO WE HAVE [01:00:03] THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC COULD SEE THE SCREEN, SO WHETHER YOU, UH, UH, UH, YOU DO IT MR. HANGS OR, OR DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT DOES, IT DOESN'T MATTER THE LONG YOU ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. I, I'LL, I'LL DO IT THIS WAY. I CAN NAVIGATE YOU THROUGH VERY QUICKLY. UM, OKAY. FIRST, FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME. UH, MY NAME IS THOMAS HAYNES FROM HAYNES ARCHITECTURE, AND, UM, IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, IF I MAY NOW, I WILL, UH, SHARE MY SCREEN AND I CAN JUST BRIEFLY TAKE YOU THROUGH, UH, OUR PRESENTATION FOR TONIGHT. AND, UM, AARON DID A, A GREAT JOB, UH, JUST KIND OF OUTLINING, UH, EXACTLY WHAT THE INTENT HERE IS TODAY, BUT I'LL JUST SHOW IT TO YOU IN A DIAGRAM FORM ON THE PLANS, UH, VERY BRIEFLY, AND THEN I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THEREAFTER. OKAY. CAN EVERYBODY SEE THE SCREEN? WELL? YES, WE CAN SEE IT NOW. OKAY. TERRIFIC. OKAY. SO AS , IF, IF POSSIBLE, CAN YOU HIGHLIGHT THE, UH, THE, THE DIAGRAM AND, AND YOU COULD GET THE SIDE, THE COMMENTS, UH, YOU COULD MAKE THAT SMALLER, BUT ZOOM IN ON THE ACTUAL PROPERTY, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. SURE, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. SO, UM, AS YOU SAW WITH, WITH IT ZOOMED OUT, OBVIOUSLY THE, UM, ON TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN HERE IS THE EXISTING PLOT PLAN. UM, THE EXTENT OF THE PROPERTY, UM, EXTEND ALL THE WAY BACK WITH A, A DIMENSION FROM THE, ON THE, ALONG THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF 154.90 FEET ALL THE WAY BACK. SO NOW I'M GONNA ZOOM IN AND WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT OF A, A, A CLOSEUP HERE OF THE PROPOSED HOUSE. WE ARE PROPOSING THE NEW DWELLING IN THE, IN THE SAME AREA OF THE EXISTING DWELLING. PART OF THE, UH, THE ISSUES WHEN WE WERE LAYING THIS OUT FROM ITS INCEPTION WAS THAT THE EXISTING DWELLING WAS, WAS SKEWED TO THE PROPERTY LINES, WHICH, UM, REALLY CREATED SOME DIFFICULTIES FOR US IN THE DESIGN OF THE HOME. AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE DECIDED TO, UH, TO SQUARE IT OFF WITH THE PROPERTY LINES WITH REGARDS TO ZONING SETBACKS AND SUCH. UM, AND OUR PROPOSED DWELLING TODAY IS, IS, UM, ACTUALLY DEPICTED BY THESE, THIS HATCHED AREA WHERE IT SAYS, PROPOSED ONE FAMILY BLOWING. LEMME SEE IF THE HIGHLIGHTER WORKS WRONG. NO, IT DOESN'T. I DON'T, UH, I'VE ACTUALLY NEVER DRAWN ON THIS. I DON'T KNOW IF MY, I THINK THE, THE THIRD FROM THE FAR RIGHT COMING THREE IS, IS A, IS A PEN. I THINK YOU DO IT WITH THAT. OH, I THINK THAT'S THE, MY SIGNATURE. THE NEXT ONE, THE NEXT ONE TO THE RIGHT ISN'T, ISN'T THAT A PEN? HIGHLIGHT THIS ONE HERE? OKAY. NO, NO. YEAH, THE HIGHLIGHTER DOESN'T, DOESN'T ALLOW ME TO DO THAT. UM, OKAY, FINE. GO AHEAD. UH, YEAH, I, I, IF YOU CAN SEE IT, I'LL MOVE MY CURSOR AROUND IT. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. SO, SO THIS, SO THE PROPOSED DWELLING IS GONNA, IS GONNA BE LOCATED IN THE, THE PERIMETER HERE WITHIN THIS HATCHED AREA. THE FRONT HERE JUST HAS A, HAS A FRONT PORCH, AND THEN SOME STEPS DOWN TO THE AREA OF, UM, PROPOSED WALK IN. IN THIS AREA HERE ALONG THE FRONT FROM THE STREET WORKING DOWN WHERE I'M MOVING THE CURSOR HERE IN THE MIDDLE, THAT'S THE EXISTING STAIR AND THE EXISTING WALK. SO THIS SECTION'S ALL TO REMAIN THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY ALONG THE LEFT HAND SIDE AND THE EXISTING GARAGE AS WELL ARE TO REMAIN. SO WE ARE PROPOSING DISTURBANCE IN THE MAJORITY OF THE DISTURBANCES BEING PROPOSED IN THE AREA WHERE THE EXISTING HOUSE CURRENTLY SITS, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF EXTENDING SLIGHTLY TOWARDS THE REAR, UM, WHICH I CAN SHOW YOU IN THE NEXT SCREEN. AND, UH, ALONG TO THE RIGHT HERE, ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, AT THE VERY REAR, AS AARON HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'RE PROPOSING A TIERED DECK SYSTEM AT THE BACK, FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR. AND THEN ALSO, UM, BEHIND THAT BACK SET, UH, AT AT LEAST 10 FEET BACK FROM THE DECK STRUCTURE, WE'RE PROPOSING EIGHT, UH, COAL TECH CHAR THREE 30 XL CHAMBERS, WHICH WOULD MANAGE THE STORMWATER, UM, ON SITE THAT WAS INCREASED, UH, AND THAT WE'RE PICKING UP WITH THE, UH, THE NEW IMPERVIOUS AREA. SO AS WE GO TO OUR NEXT SCREEN HERE, THIS IS, UM, AN EXISTING PLOT PLAN WHICH, UH, THESE HATCH PATTERNS JUST DEMONSTRATE TO YOU THE AREAS OF STEEP SLOPE. SO THE, THE WHAT JUMPS OUT TO YOU FIRST ARE THESE VERY DARK HATCHED AREAS. THOSE ARE TH EXISTING AREAS OF 35 PLUS PERCENT SLOPE. UM, IT'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT AREA, BUT IN INDEED IT IS, IT DOES EXIST. AND WE WANTED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT TO YOU. UM, I'LL ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT MORE. MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO SEE. SO THE, THE HATCH PATTERN THAT LOOKS LIKE, UM, RAIN ROUGH, SO TO SPEAK, UM, THAT'S 25 TO 35% PIT, UH, SLOPES. AND THEN EVERYTHING THAT HAS EVEN A MORE FINER, UM, KIND OF HARD TO SEE IN THE P D F, IT'S EASIER TO SEE IN THE DORM. BUT WHERE YOU CAN SEE THIS SAND OR PEBBLE LIKE PATTERN THROUGHOUT, ARE AREAS OF, UH, SLOPE, WHICH CONSISTS OF SECONDS. IT'S SHOWN RIGHT HERE AT 15 TO 25% SLOPE, OR 24.99. CORRECT. [01:05:01] SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE EXISTING DWELLING LOCATED HERE IN THE MIDDLE TO BE REMOVED. UM, SO EVERYTHING DASHED AND DOTTED IN HERE IN THE CENTER IS WHAT WE'RE REMOVING. AND AS WE PROGRESS DOWN IN THE DRAWINGS, THE DARK GRAY HATCH IS ALL THE AREA THAT'S EXISTING, RIGHT? SO THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY REMOVING IT, BUT I'M JUST SHOWING YOU THE OVERLAY HERE OF WHAT WAS EXISTING. AND THEN THE OTHER PATCH PATTERN SHOWN IN THIS DIAGRAM IS WHAT'S NEW. SO AGAIN, GOING LEFT TO RIGHT HERE IS THE FRONT WALKWAY STEPS PORCH SECTION OF THE EXTENDED, UM, DEVELOPMENT AREA, SO TO SPEAK. AND THEN OUR DECKS AT THE REAR WITH OUR NEW STORMWATER CHAMBERS BEHIND THAT. UH, OKAY. THAT'S ALWAYS A DISTURBANCE DIAGRAM ON THAT ONE. AND THEN, UM, WE JUST HAVE THE FLOOR PLANS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT ME TO WALK YOU THROUGH THOSE, BUT WE HAVE A PROPOSED BASEMENT FLOOR PLAN IN HERE. WE HAVE OUR FIRST FLOOR PLAN. AGAIN, THE FRONT ENTRY IS HERE, UH, STEPS UP TO THE CENTER THROUGH DOUBLE DOORS. UM, I, I DON'T WANNA BORE YOU WITH THE DETAILS. LIVING ROOM ON THE LEFT SIDE. OH, THE, THE, THE INTERIOR OF, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD JUST FLASH IT, BUT WE DON'T GET YEAH. NOT AS CONCERNED WITH THAT. OKAY. SO, YEP. , I MEAN, JUST, YEAH, I'LL JUST TAKE YOU THROUGH. SO SECOND FLOOR PLAN HERE AS WELL. UM, WE HAVE THE RULE FRAMING PLAN. WE HAVE OUR, UH, EXTERIOR PROPOSED ELEVATIONS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT PRETTY MUCH TAKES US THROUGH WHAT WAS PRESENTED. UH, I DID WANT TO POINT OUT TOO, FOR THE BOARD THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE, THE OWNER'S, UH, HOUSE. UH, HE'S, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A DESIGN THAT WE WORK TOGETHER WITH THEM. UM, AND THIS IS SORT OF THEIR DREAM HOME AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE WORK SIDE BY SIDE WITH THEM INTO, UH, TO DEVELOPING WHAT WE THINK IS GONNA BE A NICE PROJECT WITH AS MINIMAL DISTURBANCE AS POSSIBLE TO, TO GET, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY WHAT HE NEEDS ON THE PROPERTY. WELL, THERE ANY, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD MEMBER? I HAVE ONE OR TWO, BUT, UH, I'LL LET ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS START OFF. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? IF NOT, I THINK I HAVE A QUESTION. SURE. YEAH. UH, WHILE YOU KEEPING THE, UH, THE EXISTING STEPS AND, AND WALK GOING INTO IT, IT LOOKS PRETTY, UH, PRETTY OLD AND, UH, SOMEWHAT, UH, UH, NEEDS A REPAIR AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO JUST I, IT WORKS, BUT IT IS A, UH, I MEAN, SINCE YOU'RE DOING IT ALL OF THE THINGS AND YOUR ENTRANCE IS A IN THE CENTER AND YOU ARE KEEPING THE EXISTING SIDEWALK AND, UH MM-HMM. , I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS AROUND IT, BUT IT LOOKS KIND OF, UH, UH, YEAH. SO, SO, SO THE OBJECTIVE AGAIN HERE WAS, IS TO, TO CREATE AS LITTLE SITE DISTURBANCE AS POSSIBLE. WE'RE TRYING TO USE, UM, SOME OF THE EXISTING AS MUCH OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AS WE COULD, SO TO SPEAK. UM, KEEPING THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, THE GARAGE, AND THE EXISTING WALKWAY DOWN. UM, THAT DOES GO INTO BRUCE, THE STEEP SLOPE AREA. AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THAT. WE DID NOT WANNA RELOCATE THAT STRAIGHTFORWARD. WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP EVERYTHING AS MUCH AS WE CAN INTACT WITH AS LITTLE DISTURBANCE AS POSSIBLE. AGAIN, WE, YOU KNOW, WE, IT IS BUDGETARY AS WELL. I'M SURE THE OWNER MAY CONSIDER PATCHING AND REPAIRING ANYTHING THAT MAY NEED TO BE DONE IN THAT REGARDS. BUT WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO RELOCATE THE WALKWAY IN STEPS, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, TO COME DOWN THE MIDDLE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP EVERYTHING INTACT AS POSSIBLE. OKAY. I MEAN, TO ME IT LOOKED, I, I LEAVE FEW, FEW HOUSES UP AND IT LOOKED PRETTY, UH, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT MAKES A CODE. I DON'T KNOW. IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT YOU, AGAIN, I, TO BE HONEST, I, YOU KNOW, I, I'D HAVE TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT WHAT TYPE OF DISREPAIR. IF IT ISN'T DISREPAIR AT ALL, UM, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IT COULD RECEIVE TOPPING OR SOMETHING TO BE REPLACED, BUT MORE AS A REPAIR OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, UM, JUST TO FRESHEN UP AND MAKE IT APPEAR LIKE A NEW DWELLING. UM, IT WILL BE A NEW HOUSE, ESSENTIALLY. BUT, UH, BUT TO FALL IN LINE WITH THE, UH, THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE SITE, I'M SURE THAT MR. CHICO IS, IS WILLING TO DO THAT, AND I'M SURE HE'D WANNA DO THAT. UM, BUT AS FAR AS I MENTIONED, RELOCATING OR ANYTHING TO THAT NATURE, WE'RE WHERE WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN DOING THAT. AND, AND, AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT SHOULD THIS BE APPROVED, WE COULD ALWAYS POINT TO MAKE NOTE TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO TAKE A LOOK AND MAKE SURE THOSE STEPS TAKE, MEET THE CODE. I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THEY WOULD DO ANYHOW, BUT WE CAN MAKE A NOTE OF THAT TO MAKE SURE, UH, THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THE STEPS TO ENSURE THAT THEY MEET THE CODE. OKAY. I'M SURE IT'D BE ACCEPTABLE TODAY. OKAY. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, I UNDERSTAND YOU GAVE THE REASONS WHY THE GARAGE IS NOT BEING MOVED, BECAUSE THEN, UH, UH, [01:10:01] UH, THAT IS THE GARAGE IS AN APPROVED NON CONFORMANCE, AND IF YOU START MOVING THE GARAGE AND IT OPENS UP ANOTHER HOLE OF CAN OF WORMS. SO I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, BUT THAT IS NOW, WHAT IS THE PITCH OF THAT DRIVEWAY FROM THE GARAGE TO THE STREET? IS THE, IS IS, UH, I WAS TRYING TO, IS 23, 28, 3 20, OH, IT GOES UP, BUT NO, THAT, NO, NO. IT'S, IT'S GOING, IT'S GOING DOWN TO ROUGHLY, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THREE. I'M GONNA SAY THREE 18 OR THREE SOMETHING. UH, THREE. OKAY. SO, OKAY. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WHY I SAY THAT, AND I SEE YOUR CALTECH, THE CALTECH IS IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. CORRECT. AND WHAT IS THE, UH, UH, THE CHALLENGES, IF ANY, TO PUT A CATCH BASIN AT THE FOOT OF THAT, UH, UM, YOUR, UH, UH, DRIVEWAY AND ROUTE THAT WATER TO YOUR CALTECH? IS ANY REASON WHY THAT CANNOT BE DONE? WE UH, WE, WE IT CAN BE DONE. YEAH. BUT I'M SAYING REASONABLY, WHAT WOULD BE, WHAT WOULD BE THE CHALLENGES THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO FACE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN? THE CHALLENGE IS THE AMOUNT OF DISRUPTION AND DISTURBANCE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO, TO, TO ACHIEVE THAT. I MEAN, WE WOULD'VE TO PICK UP THE STORMWATER RUNOFF FROM THAT WHOLE DRIVEWAY AREA. NOW, UM, AGAIN, WE'RE TREATING THAT, THAT'S ALL EXISTING CONDITIONS. UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE OWNER HASN'T EXPRESSED ANY, UH, ANY ISSUES IN THE PAST WITH THIS, UH, THIS EXISTING CONDITION. SO OUR GOAL WAS JUST TO MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF CHAMBERS, UM, NECESSARY AND FOCUS ON ONLY THE AREA OF IMPROVEMENT. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE ALREADY PROPOSING EIGHT COAL TECH CHAMBERS FOR THE PROPOSED IMPERVIOUS AREA, UM, INCLUDING THAT, THAT IT'S A VERY LONG DRIVEWAY THAT WE WOULD THEN HAVE TO INCLUDE THE IMPERVIOUS, UH, STORMWATER RUNOFF FROM THAT ENTIRE AREA, POTENTIALLY PARTIAL GARAGE SHEDDING OFF THE ROOF POTENTIALLY. AND ON TOP OF THAT, HAVE GREATER DISTURBANCE IN BEHIND THESE CHAMBERS. SO IT'S A DISTURBANCE ISSUE, AND IT'S ALSO A COST ISSUE FOR HOW MANY MORE CHAMBERS WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE. OKAY. THE, THE CHAMBERS ARE, ARE, ARE FALLEN AROUND 2 2500 TO 3000 A PIECE. SO IT, IT, IT'S A, IT'S A LARGE NUMBER. THEN I WOULD, AND I ASK, I WOULD ASK I BEFORE WE EVEN, TO ASSESS WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S AN ISSUE. CORRECT. YOU SAY YOU LEAVE A FEW HOUSES DOWN AND HEAVY RAINS. IS THERE WATER RUNNING DOWN THAT STREET? UM, I THINK, YEAH, IT'S A CONCERN. AND ALSO, UH, NO, I'M JUST, I'M TRYING TO ASSESS WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A PROBLEM, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF COSTS INVOLVED IN DOING THAT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SOLVE A NON-EXISTING PROBLEM. SO THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE A PROBLEM OF RUNOFF, UH, ON THAT STREET DURING, YOU KNOW, EVERY RAIN SO THAT THE, THE EXISTING SEWER CATCH BASIN IS NOT ADEQUATELY HANDED? SO THAT'S MY QUESTION. UH, N NORMALLY NO. BUT, UH, CONSIDERING THAT THERE IS A LOT OF, UH, HEAVY RAINS AND THEN, UH, THE EUCLID AVENUE ITSELF IS A QUITE, UH, STEEP, SO THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT IT WILL FLOOD THE GARAGE. UH, BUT OTHER QUESTION IS THAT HOW ARE YOU GONNA BUILD THIS WHOLE NEW HOUSE WITHOUT DISTURBING THAT, UH, ALL THE CONCRETE STEPS AND SIDEWALKS AND THE DRIVEWAY KEEPING IN THE SAME CONDITION? BECAUSE IT'S A, UH, THE, I MEAN, LOOKING AT YOUR SECTIONS AND ELEVATIONS, YOU ARE DIGGING UP, YOU HAVE A WHOLE, UH, WHOLE HOUSE AS A, UH, BASEMENT. SO IT'S ONLY GONNA BE A FEW FEET OVERCUT FROM WHAT THE PERIMETER HAS SHOWN HERE NOW. SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU ARE THE, THE, THE HOU WE'RE NOT EXTENDING MUCH TO THE, MUCH FURTHER TO THE LEFT OF THE EXISTING FOUNDATION WALL TOWARDS THE DRIVEWAY SIDE OF YEP. SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ONLY FACTORING A FEW FEET OF OVERCUT ON THIS, SO IT SHOULDN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULDN'T NEED TO REDO ALL OF THIS, DR. I MEAN, THE DRIVEWAY, UM, WE'RE NOWHERE NEAR THAT. UM, IF ANYTHING, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, CLOSER TO SOME OF THE WALKWAYS AND THINGS THERE, BUT IT SHOULDN'T, SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY DISTURBANCE ON THAT. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH. UH, IF I MAY, SO MR. HAYNES, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO TELL US, UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS, AND THIS RELATES TO THE DRAINAGE AND THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT THAT CHAIRPERSON SIMON HAD ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT EARLIER. SO, UM, THE EXISTING HOME AND THE EXISTING [01:15:01] DRIVEWAY IN THE EXISTING GARAGE, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY UNDERGROUND OR OTHER STORMWATER MANAGEMENT DEVICES ASSOCIATED WITH THE EXISTING PROPERTY? I'M NOT, UH, TO BE HONEST, I, I DON'T KNOW. UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT THREE OF US WITHIN OUR FIRM HAS BEEN WORKING ON TOGETHER. THAT'S OKAY. I, YEAH, I HAD ONLY, I VISITED THE SITE IN PERSON, UM, INITIALLY THEN I HAVEN'T BEEN BACK PERSONALLY, SO I DON'T KNOW. AND I ACTUALLY WAS JUST TRYING TO TOGGLE THROUGH TO TRY TO FIND SOME PHOTOGRAPHS HERE, UH, TO SEE IF, IF, UH, IF I CAN GET ANY OF THAT INFORMATION THERE. I MEAN, FOR ALL WE KNOW, THERE MAY BE A, A A, A SCREEN, UM, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE, OF THE DRIVEWAY THAT EXISTS. I, I DON'T KNOW, TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU, UM, I COULD TRY TO OKAY. THAT, THAT'S FINE. I KNOW THE STRUCTURE'S MORE THAN, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE LOOKED INTO, EVEN IF THE PLANNING BOARD CLOSED, THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, THIS EVENING, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO SEE IF THERE ARE OTHER COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. BUT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU COULD LOOK INTO AND THEN GET BACK TO US, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, BY THE END OF THE WEEK OR EARLY NEXT WEEK. SURE, NO PROBLEM. MY NEXT QUESTION, AND, AND, AND I KNOW THE STRUCTURE IS MORE THAN 50 YEARS OLD, IT WAS ROUTED TO THE HISTORIC LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD, AS WE DISCUSSED DURING THE WORK SESSION. SO IT BEING AN OLDER HOUSE, YOU KNOW, THE LIKELIHOOD OF THERE BEING A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM DWINDLED. YEAH. UM, WHICH LEADS TO MY SECOND QUESTION, WHICH IS YOU HAVE THE EIGHT CALTECH PROPOSED, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS EIGHT. YES. MY QUESTION IS, UM, IS THAT GOING, IS THAT DESIGNED TO CAPTURE EVERY, AND TREAT AND HANDLE EVERYTHING FROM THE NEW HOME AND, AND DECK AND WHATNOT, OR JUST THE EXPANSION BEYOND THE EXISTING HOME? NO, IT, IT'S, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR OUR BOARD MEMBERS TO UNDERSTAND. UNDERSTOOD. SO, NO, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE DRYWALL CALCULATIONS ALONG THE RIGHT HERE, WE'RE SHOWING THE PROPOSED DWELLING. SO THAT'S THE PERIMETER, 1,534 SQUARE FEET. WE HAVE THE CONCRETE WALKS AND STAIRS OF 72 SQUARE FEET, AND A WOOD DECK OF 391 SQUARE FEET. UM, TYPICALLY THE DECKS ARE, YOU KNOW, MOST MUNICIPALITIES CONSIDER THEM, UH, PERMEABLE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE DRAINAGE SYSTEMS OFF THE, OFF OF A, OF A WOOD DECK TYPICALLY. BUT WE ARE INCLUDING THAT DECK IN THE IMPERVIOUS NUMBER AS WELL. UM, I BELIEVE THAT, THAT GREENBERG DOES HAVE THAT AS A REQUIREMENT. YEAH. SO OUR, OUR TOTAL, WE'RE PICKING UP ABOUT 2000 SQUARE FEET OF IMPERVIOUS AREA. SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, YEAH, WE'RE NOT DOING JUST A NET, A SIMPLE NET INCREASE TO IMPERVIOUS, LIKE WE WOULD, WE WOULD DO IF WE WERE DOING LARGE ADDITIONS. OFTEN WE WOULD, WE MIGHT JUST TRY TO OFFSET BY THE NET INCREASE TO IMPERVIOUS, BUT IN THIS CASE, WE'RE TREATING IT LIKE AT THE NEW DWELLING. THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE NOT DOING IS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE DRIVEWAY IN THE GARAGE, BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN IN EXISTING CONDITION SINCE, YOU KNOW, 1923. RIGHT. ON THAT. SO, SO THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY POINT THAT I WANTED OUR BOARD MEMBERS TO UNDERSTAND. THAT WAS MY IMPRESSION OF IT. MM-HMM. . UM, BUT THEY WILL BE PICKING UP EVERYTHING OFF FROM THE NEW HOUSE AND THE DECK VERSUS SOMETIMES YOU'LL SEE, OKAY. UH, WELL, WE ARE, WE GET A CREDIT FOR WHAT PREEXISTED ON THE PROPERTY. THE OLD HOUSE, YOU KNOW, HAD A FOOTPRINT OF 1000 SQUARE FEET, AND THIS NEW HOUSE HAS A 1500 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT, SO THEREFORE WE ONLY NEED TO CALCULATE AND BASE IT OFF A 500 SQUARE FOOT NET INCREASE. THE APPLICANT HAS NOT DONE THAT IN THIS CASE. THEY'VE, THEY'VE DESIGNED IT AS IF IT WERE A VACANT LOT TODAY. SO THAT, THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE BOARD. ONE LAST QUESTION I HAVE, UH, UH, I, I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT, UH, OR THE RATIONALE WHY IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO PUT A, A, UH, A DRAIN AT THE, AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY. UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXISTING GARAGE THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO THE CALTECH, IF THE DOWNSPOUTS FROM THE EXISTING GARAGE WAS HOOKED UP TO THE COUCH, DOES THAT CHANGE THE FACT, WOULD THAT MAKE THE, UH, NO LONGER MAKE THE GARAGE, UH, A GRANDFATHER, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A WHOLE REDESIGN BY JUST SIMPLY ADD IN THE DOWNSPOUTS TO THAT? NO. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS, IS THAT, UM, DEPENDING ON THE ROOF PITCH ON THAT, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU HAD, YOUR LEADERS WOULD COME ON GUTTERS, THAT, THAT, THAT WERE ON EITHER SIDE IF IT'S A GABLE ROOF. RIGHT. SO THE GOAL THEN IS, IS THAT IF WE WANTED TO INCORPORATE THAT GARAGE INTO THE, THE, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, UM, IF WE ONLY HAD LITERS ON ONE SIDE OF THE GABLE ROOF, SO TO SPEAK, WE WOULD, WE COULD CONNECT THAT IN. BUT YOU WOULD WANT TO TAKE THE IMPERVIOUS AREA OF HALF OF THE GARAGE AND CONNECT THAT INTO THE CHAMBER. THE PROPER WAY TO DO IT THEN IS, IS TO TAKE THE ENTIRE GARAGE SQUARE FOOTAGE, JUST LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO THE ENTIRE DRIVEWAY AND CONNECT THAT INTO THE CHAMBERS. SO WHAT, [01:20:01] WHEN WE, WHEN WE DESIGN THESE STORMWATER SYSTEMS, WE TYPICALLY, WITH THE CHAMBERS, WE TYPICALLY LEAVE A BIT EXCESS, RIGHT? SO RIGHT HERE, AS YOU CAN SEE IN OUR CALCULATIONS, UM, I KNOW YOU SEE WHERE MY CURSOR IS DOWN HERE, WE'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO PICK UP 551 CUBIC FEET OF, UM, OF STORMWATER. WE'RE PROPOSING 633.84. SO BASICALLY WE DO HAVE SOME SURPLUS THAT IN THEORY, WE CAN CONNECT PART OF THAT GARAGE. AND THE LEADER SYSTEM CRUNCHED AGAIN, THERE WOULD BE SOME MORE SITE, A LITTLE BIT MORE SITE DISTURBANCE, NOT MUCH, BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO BE 10 FEET AWAY FROM THAT GARAGE WITH OUR CHAMBERS. UM, BUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE PURPOSE HERE WAS TO, YOU KNOW, TO NOT REINVENT THE WHEEL ON THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. UM, LIKE I SAID, WE CAN PICK UP SOME POTENTIALLY, 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME SURPLUS, BUT WHAT'LL HAPPEN IS, IS THAT IF, IF WE RUN THE MAP OF THE ENTIRE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE GARAGE, IT, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS BUMP UP PRETTY QUICK, WHERE THEN YOU'RE REQUIRED MORE CHAMBERS. RIGHT? SO WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SURPLUS TO PLAY WITH, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN ADD THE GARAGE SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THIS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND, AND KEEP THE SAME NUMBER OF CHAMBERS WE HAVE. I DON'T KNOW. IT WOULD JUST BE, IT WOULD JUST BE THE MATH TO FIGURE THAT OUT. OKAY. COULD YOU, COULD YOU AT LEAST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, BECAUSE SURE. IF IT IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A COST SIMILAR TO MY FIRST SUGGESTION OF RUNNING THE PIPE ALL THE WAY BACK. MM-HMM. , YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COST TO BRING A PIPE, UH, 10 FEET AND THEN LOOK AT WHAT IS THE IMPACT ON THE NUMBER OF CHAMBERS AND SEE IF IT MAKES SENSE TO DO THAT. SO JUST AT LEAST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. SURE. I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THIS? IF, IS IT, IF NOT, IS ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT? I'M SORRY IF I MAY BE BEFORE, UH, BEFOREHAND. I JUST DID THE MATH ON IT. I'M SORRY, I'M SCROLLING OVER HERE BY ACCIDENT. UM, I JUST DID THE MATH ON IT, AND IT LOOKS LIKE WITH OUR SURPLUS, INCLUDING JUST THE GARAGE ITSELF, RIGHT? SO JUST THE GARAGE, NOT THE DRIVEWAY. YEAH, JUST THE GARAGE. IF WE INCLUDED THE GARAGE RIGHT. AND CONNECTED THE, THE, THE GUTTERS AND LEADERS DOWN, YOU KNOW, TRACK AROUND INTO THE, TO THE PROPOSED CHAMBERS WE HAVE, WE WOULD'VE A REQUIRED, UM, CUBIC FOOTAGE OF 625, AND WE WERE PROPOSING 633. SO WE WOULD STILL FALL IN UNDER THE REQUIRED WITHOUT ADDING ANOTHER CHAMBER. SO WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY. CAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THE BOARD WAS AMENABLE TO, UM, MAKING AN, YOU KNOW, FAVORABLE CONCLUSION OR DECISION ON THIS PROJECT TONIGHT, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO INCLUDE THAT IN A RESOLUTION IF YOU SO WANT IT. OKAY. UM, ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? UH, ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? I NOT, I DON'T BELIEVE ANYONE SIGNED UP, BUT NOW WOULD BE THE TIME. MR. HAYNES, CAN YOU TAKE DOWN THE SHARE SCREEN? ABSOLUTELY. IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS AND, UH, AND, AND, UH, UH, AND IF HOOKING UP THE, THAT, UH, THE GARAGE TO THE CHAMBER WOULD, CAN BE DONE AT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, AT, OF COURSE A REASONABLE EXPENSE AND THAT, UH, THE FACT THAT, UH, ANOTHER CHAMBER WOULD NOT BE NEEDED, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT, UH, IT WOULD WE MAKE THAT PART OF THE REQUIREMENT THAT HAS TO BE DONE ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION. UH, UH, IF THERE'S ANY OBJECTION TO THAT, UH, PLEASE VOICE IT. IF NOT, UH, THE APPLICANT WILL ATTACH, UH, THE GUTTERS TO THE CHAMBERS. UH, WITH THAT SAID, AND NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, UH, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THIS HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL NOVEMBER. WHAT WOULD BE THAT, THE, THAT DATE BEFORE? PARDON ME? NOVEMBER 10TH. NOVEMBER 10TH. UH, DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? SO, UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. MY OBJECTIONS BE DONE. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. OKAY, BYE. UH, THE, UH, THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS PB 2107. UH, MR. SCHRIER, WE INTRODUCED PROJECT, PLEASE. THIS WAS, UM, THIS WAS RESCHEDULED FROM OUR LAST MEETING BECAUSE THE APPLICANT HAD A, UH, UH, PERSONAL EMERGENCY AND COULD NOT, UH, BE WITH US, UH, AT OUR LAST MEETING. AND SO IT WAS PLACED BACK ON THE AGENDA FOR TODAY. MS. TODD, ARE YOU AVAILABLE? HE IS. SO I'M JUST GONNA DO THE BRIEF INTRODUCTION. UM, WE DID, WE DID COMMUNICATE WITH ONE ANOTHER EARLIER, UH, AS [01:25:01] CHAIRPERSON AND SIMON INDICATED THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CASE NUMBER PV 21 DASH ZERO SEVEN GRAYSTONE, HUD LOTS FOUR THROUGH SEVEN, LOCATED OFF CARRIAGE TRAIL PO TERRYTOWN IN THE PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT. THE A THE APPLICANT, UM, SEEKS AMENDED SITE PLAN AND RE SUBDIVISION APPROVALS FOR PROPOSAL CONSISTING OF THE RE SUBDIVISION OF FOUR BUILDING LOTS AND ONE LOT CONTAINING A ROADWAY IN ORDER TO REMOVE THE CUL-DE-SAC ROADWAY AND REVEGETATE IT DISTRIBUTING THE LAND AMONGST LOTS 4, 5, 6, AND SEVEN OF THE DEVELOPMENT SITE APP IS A ZONING CHANGE TO A PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ALLOWING FOR MULTIPLE DWELLINGS ON A SINGLE LOT UNDER CASE NUMBER TB 19 DASH ZERO TWO. THE APPLICANT ALSO PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT IN CONNECTION WITH ITS PRIOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL UNDER CASE NUMBER PB 11 DASH 13. FINALLY, THE APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL UNDER CASE NUMBER PB 20 DASH EIGHT IN CONNECTION WITH DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE. UM, THE PLANNING BOARD LAST DISCUSSED THIS AS PART OF A WORK SESSION, AND, UM, AS CHAIRPERSON SIMON INDICATED THERE, THE APPLICANT COULD NOT ATTEND THE LAST PRIOR HEARING, SO IT WAS ADJOURNED TO THIS EVENING. WE HAVE MR. TODD HERE, UH, TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS TO THE BOARD MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT WE, AT LEAST EARLIER, HAD, UM, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE VILLAGE OF TERRYTOWN ON MR. PINELLA. I DO SEE THAT HE'S, UH, ON AS WELL. SO, UH, HE MAY WISH TO SPEAK AT SOME POINT. I JUST WANTED THE BOARD MEMBERS TO BE AWARE, AND IT LOOKS LIKE MR. HAY HAS A A QUICK QUESTION. UH, I, YEAH, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT ONE SMALL VARIATION TO WHAT YOU SAID IN YOUR INTRODUCTION, BECAUSE WE BROUGHT THIS UP AT THE LAST, UM, WORK SESSION. YOU SAID THAT THE RE SUBDIVISION WOULD REMOVE THE CUL-DE-SAC ROADWAY, BUT THAT'S MISLEADING BECAUSE MOST OF THE ROADWAY IS GOING TO REMAIN. IT'S JUST, AS I RECALL, THE CIRCLE AT THE END THAT'S BEING REMOVED BIGGER THE WAY YOU SAID IT THAN WHAT THE , YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. IT'S, IT'S THE BOLD OF THE CUL-DE-SAC. AND WE CAN HAVE MR. TODD SPEAK TO THAT. I DID WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING. I MENTIONED STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE AND, UM, THAT WAS A TYPO. SO I WILL REMOVE THAT COMMENT FROM MY PRIOR COMMENTS. THERE IS NO STEEP REGULATED STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT. AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. TODD. THANK YOU MR. HAY FOR THE QUESTION. HEY EVERYONE. HELLO. HEY, ANDY. GOOD TO, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. I'M JUST GONNA SHARE MY SCREEN. JUST TO START, START THIS OUT, UH, UH, YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE, SORRY ABOUT THAT. SORRY ABOUT THAT. MY NAME IS ANDY TODD, UH, FROM GRAYSTONE ON HUDSON. OKAY. SO I'M JUST GONNA MOVE THIS OVER SO IT'S OUTTA MY WAY. OKAY. SO WE'RE PROPOSING A LAND SWAP BETWEEN TWO NEIGHBORS AND THE H O A TO REDISTRIBUTE LAND, SO IT MAKES MORE SENSE RIGHT NOW. THERE, AS YOU'LL SEE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE, UM, THAT WOULD MAKE EVERYTHING MAKE A LOT MORE SENSE. UM, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY ADDITIONAL LOTS BUILDINGS OR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES IN THIS PROPOSED LAND STOP. WE'RE JUST PROPOSING TO MOVE LOT LINES. EVERYTHING IS ON PAPER HERE. NOTHING PHYSICALLY CHANGES, NOTHING ADDED. UH, THERE'LL BE LESS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE DUE TO REMOVAL OF THE BULB OF A CUL-DE-SAC, AS WELL AS THE REMOVAL OF A FIRE HYDRANT AND ASSOCIATED PLUMBING. UM, SO, SO THIS IS A MAP OF OUR CURRENT, UM, THE CURRENT, UH, PROPOSED AREA. UM, AND JUST TO EXPLAIN IT, THERE ARE, UM, THE AREA IN GREEN IS ALL OWNED BY ONE OWNER OVER HERE. THE AREA IN BLUE IS OWNED BY ANOTHER OWNER. THE AREA, UM, IN HERE, WHICH IS THE CUL-DE-SAC, IS, UM, OWNED BY THE H O A. THIS BULB OF THE CUL-DE-SAC IS GOING TO BE, UM, IS GOING TO GO AWAY. AND, UH, THIS WILL STAY AS, UH, AS IT CURRENTLY IS, AS THE DRIVEWAY TO GET OUT OF, OUT OF THE AREA. OKAY. UM, SO I WANTED TO SHOW YOU, UM, THE USE ON THIS LOT. RIGHT? RIGHT NOW THERE'S ONLY A LOT WITH A HOUSE. A LOT WITH A HOUSE. THIS LOT IS JUST BASICALLY A GOLF COURSE. AND THIS LOT HAS, UM, HAS A BIKE RIDING PATH, WHICH IS, UM, PERVIOUS. SO [01:30:01] BASICALLY THESE TWO LOTS RIGHT HERE, UM, HAVE NOTHING PER, HAVE NOTHING THAT IS IMPERVIOUS ON THEM. SO IT'S A PRETTY GOOD USE OF THE SPACE. UM, JUST TO SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. SO THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE FIRST, UH, OF LOT OF THE FIRST TWO LOTS. AS YOU CAN SEE. HERE'S WHERE YOU DRIVE FROM. HERE'S THE GREEN. UM, AND THERE'S THE HOUSE. OKAY. UH, JUST 'CAUSE IT'S COOL LOOKING. I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THE GOLF COURSE LOOKS LIKE OVER THERE. UM, THEN WHEN YOU GO BACK TO LOOK AT THE, LOOK AT THE HOUSE AND YOU CAN'T GET IT ALL, IT'S TOO BIG OF AN AREA. IT'S LIKE NINE ACRES OR SOMETHING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, YOU CAN'T GET THIS ALL TOGETHER, BUT JUST TO SHOW YOU WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. UM, THIS IS A LOT. AND THIS IS AGAIN, UM, THE BICYCLE PATH. SO, UM, GOING BACK THIS, THIS LOT RIGHT HERE, LOT FOUR, WHICH IS OWNED BY A DI, A DIFFERENT OWNER. UH, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. THIS IS THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. UM, AND YOU, THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU A PRETTY GOOD PERSPECTIVE 'CAUSE IT KIND OF SHOWS YOU, UH, THE TWO HOUSES THAT ARE TOGETHER. UM, IN OUR PROPOSED PLAN, THERE'LL BE SOME SCREENING RIGHT OVER IN THIS AREA TO, UM, TO BLOCK THE TWO HOUSES, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THEY WANNA DO THIS. OKAY? THIS IS THE, UH, CUL-DE-SAC ROAD THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. SO THE BULB OF THE CUL-DE-SAC IS GONNA GO AWAY. THIS IS GONNA STAY AS THEIR DRIVEWAY, UM, AS THEIR PART OF THEIR DRIVEWAY TO GET OUT. THIS, UM, UH, THIS FIRE HYDRANT JUST GET, IT STAYS UNDERGROUND, BUT IT JUST GETS PLUGGED BECAUSE, UM, WHEN WE SPOKE TO GREENBERG, THAT'S WHAT THEY HAD WANTED US TO DO IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. UM, AND SO THE, THE, THERE ARE TWO PROBLEMS WITH, NOT PROBLEMS, BUT THERE ARE TWO REASONS THAT, MAIN REASONS THAT THIS HAS HAPPENED THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THIS. UM, SO THE FIRST REASON IS THAT THIS HOUSE, UM, THIS HOUSE HAS A CUL-DE-SAC AND A ROAD RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT. SO WE HAVE NO FRONTAGE OUT TO CARRIAGE TRAIL. UH, THE SECOND REASON IS, AND THIS WAS JUST A MISTAKE WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DID THIS, THE LAND, THE LOT LINE KIND OF GOES RIGHT THROUGH THIS HILLSIDE. SO IF ANYTHING EVER HAPPENED TO THE HILLSIDE DOWN BELOW, THEN UPFRONT, UM, WOULD KNOW THAT. SO WE'RE BASICALLY GONNA CHANGE THE LOT. WE'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE LOT LINE TO BRING THE, TO BRING THE LOT LINE DOWN TO HERE. AND WE'RE JUST BASICALLY REDISTRIBUTING, UM, REDISTRIBUTING LAND. SO, UM, THIS IS, UH, THE EXISTING SITE PLAN AS, AS I SHOWED YOU BEFORE, THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, WE'RE NOW KIND OF COMING AROUND AND WE'RE GOING TOWARD, TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THAT HILL. WE'RE TAKING AWAY THIS AREA AND WE'RE GIVING IT TO THIS GUY OVER HERE. SO HE HAS FRONTAGE ON CARRIAGE TRAIL NOW, AND, UM, IT JUST MAKES MORE SENSE. IT'S, WELL, I GUESS IF WE WOULD'VE KNOWN IT MADE MORE SENSE EITHER WAY, BUT IT MAKES EVEN MORE SENSE, UM, UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES WITH ONE PERSON OWNING THREE LOTS. UM, SO, UH, THIS IS WHERE THE SCREENING IS GONNA, IS GONNA HAPPEN RIGHT OVER HERE BETWEEN THE TWO LOTS TO, TO BLOCK EACH OTHER OFF. AND, UH, WALTER, YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT THE BIKE PATH, WHICH WAS APPROVED IN THE ORIGINAL PUB MAP THAT WE, UM, THAT WE HAD DONE A WHILE BACK. AND I THINK, I THINK YOU, UH, WE'D ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT. SO, UM, BASICALLY THERE'LL BE LESS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE WITH THE ELIMINATION OF THE CUL-DE-SAC. THERE'LL BE LESS, UM, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE MEANS THAT THERE'S LESS STORM WATER RUNNING INTO TOWN, AND IT REALLY GOES INTO THE VILLAGE OF TARRY TOWNS, UH, STORM WATER. SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT LESS, UM, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ELIMINATION OF THE FIRE HYDRANT CREATES LESS MAINTENANCE, UH, THE ELIMINATION OF THE ASSOCIATED PLUMBING. IT CREATES LESS MAINTENANCE AND IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD, WHICH WE MAINTAIN, BUT IF THE TOWN EVER HAD TO TAKE BACK THE ROAD, UM, IT WOULD, UH, ELIMINATE THE MAINTENANCE OF THE, OF THIS SECTION OF THE, OF THE ROAD THAT WE'RE ELIMINATING IN THIS WHOLE, IN THIS WHOLE THING. UM, SO THAT IS WHAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS BASICALLY A LOT OF WORDS FOR, WE JUST WANT A LOT LINE MOVE. UM, NO, NOTHING YET, NOTHING ELSE OTHER THAN MOVING LOT LINES WITHIN, WITHIN OUR SITE TO MAKE IT MORE, TO HAVE IT MAKE MORE SENSE. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS ON THIS, UH, APPLICATION? I KNOW THAT, UH, WE HAVE SEEN THIS, UH, UH, THIS APPLICATION OF, OF VARIOUS ITERATIONS OF IT, SO I KNOW THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE. SO IF THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS, I, UH, OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO [01:35:03] SPEAK TO THIS APPLICATION. DO WE HAVE ANYONE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IF, UH, IF WE HAVE NO OTHER QUESTION FROM BOARD MEMBERS? NO ONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK. I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE HERE. PRESIDENT DIAMOND. YES. I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. UM, IT, IT'S SOMETIMES TOUGH WHEN THE SHARE SCREEN FUNCTION IS ON. IF YOU COULD TAKE DOWN THE SHARE SCREEN, MR. TODD, WE DO HAVE MR. PINELLA FROM THE VILLAGE OF TARRYTOWN THAT WISHES TO SPEAK. OH, OKAY. YEAH, I'M, UH, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT. HANG ON. THANK YOU. OKAY, MR. PINELLA. WELL, MR. FIRST OF ALL, MR. PINELLA, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME YOU TO, UH, UH, THE GREENBERG PLANNING BOARD. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, UH, AL BOARD ALWAYS FELT VERY, IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WHEN, UH, PROPERTY IS ADJOURNING, UH, UH, UH, ADJOURNING, UH, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IS THAT WE, UH, SHARE THAT INFORMATION FROM WITH ONE ANOTHER. SO I'M GLAD THAT YOU TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND WISH TO JOIN US THIS EVENING AND LOOK FORWARD WHEN WE HAVE SIMILAR, UH, UH, PROJECTS ALONG OUR BORDER WITH TERRYTOWN THAT, UH, WE'LL BE EQUALLY WELCOME TO, UH, SPEAK AT YOUR PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS. CHAIRMAN SIMON. THANK YOU. HAR. THANK YOU. UH, ANDY, UM, I WAS GONNA WRITE A, UH, WRITE UP A MEMO ON THIS, BUT I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BETTER IF I JUST, UH, JUST SPOKE WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED WITH. YES. UH, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY WITH THE PROGRESS THEY'RE MAKING. WE DON'T WANNA HOLD THE PROJECT UP IN ANY WAY, PERHAPS MAYBE SOME AGREEMENT OR CONDITION. SO I'LL EXPLAIN THE SITUATION WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. UM, IT HAS TO DO WITH RUNOFF. AND, UM, IF I CAN SHARE A VIDEO, UH, I JUST WANT TO, DAN, CAN YOU JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR POSITION FOR THE RECORD? YES, IT IS. MY NAME IS DONATO CANELLA. I AM WITH THE VILLAGE OF TARRYTOWN VILLAGE ENGINEER. SO I'M OH, YOU ARE WITH THE ENGINEERING, NOT THE PLANNING BOARD. OKAY. YES. OKAY. I SEE IT ON THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIR, CHAIRMAN SIMON. OKAY. I, I DID BRING THIS UP TO THE PLANNING BOARD. UH, AND OF COURSE WHEN THERE'S OTHER PROJECTS WE WILL THAT ADJUST THAT ARE , UH, GREENBERG, WE WILL DO THE SAME. UM, BUT I DID BRING THIS UP AT A WORK SESSION. I TOLD 'EM I'D BE COMING TO THE MEETINGS AND, UH, PRESENTING OUR CONCERNS TO, TO THIS BOARD AND, UH, SEE IF WE CAN COME TO SOME KIND OF RESOLUTION. UM, SO BASICALLY IT HAS TO DO WITH, UH, RUNOFF. WE HAVE A, UH, AN AREA WHICH, UM, WHICH IS, HAS COME UP. YOU KNOW, WE DO ALL THESE PLANNING OF PROJECTS AND, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERING AND IT'S GREAT, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS THINGS THAT YOU THAT COME UP AND THEY'RE UNEXPECTED. SO WHAT, WHAT WE SEE IS ON BROWNING LANE, UM, IT'S A LITTLE FURTHER TO THE WEST OR WHERE THESE HOUSES ARE LOCATED. UM, I BELIEVE ANDY WOULD KNOW WHERE IT IS. WE HAVE A 60 COULD, COULD, COULD I INTERRUPT IF, IF BY ANY MEANS COULD, IT'S HARD FOR US TO PICTURE WHAT AREA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITHOUT SEEING IT ON THE SCREEN. SO IT'LL BE VERY HELPFUL IF WE COULD SEE THAT ON THE SCREEN SO WE COULD SEE, UH, WHAT WE TALKING ABOUT AS YOU SPEAK ABOUT IT. UH, I DO NOT HAVE A MAP. ANDY, DO YOU HAVE BY ANY CHANCE A MAP OF YOUR ALL OVERALL SUBDIVISION OR AARON, WHETHER OR NOT YOU COULD BRING THAT UP? UH, I COULD PROBABLY DO, I COULD PROBABLY DO A GOOGLE SEARCH AND JUST PULL UP A MAP OF TARRYTOWN AND THAT MIGHT GIVE US WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. HANG ON. LET SEE IF I COULD DO THAT. YEAH, YEAH, I COULD DO THAT AS WELL. UM, THE ONE THING I, I DO WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT MR. PINELLA TIES IN, UH, THE COMMENTS AND CONCERNS RELATIVE TO THE CURRENT PROPOSAL. UM, 'CAUSE I, I CAN UNDERSTAND IF THERE ARE COMMENTS THAT RELATE TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBDIVISION, WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, MAY HAVE BEEN A PRIOR PROJECT. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU TIE THEM TO THIS CURRENT PROPOSAL FOR RE SUBDIVISION AND ELIMINATION OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACES. THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I WANTED TO SEE THE MAP, SO WE COULD SEE IF THOSE COMMENTS RELATES TO THIS, BECAUSE YES, THAT, THAT IS, UH, SIMILAR CONCERN. DID, THIS IS A, UH, LOT LINE MOVEMENT, UH, MOVEMENT. SO HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO THE ISSUE OF FLOODING? BUT, UH, LET, I [01:40:03] WANT YOU TO EX, UH, UH, UH, EXPRESS YOUR CONCERNS SO WE COULD UNDERSTAND THEM AND CONSIDER, SO PLEASE, IF YOU THROW, PUT UP THE MAP AND, AND YOU TALK ABOUT IT, THEN WE COULD SEE IF THAT IS WHERE THE RELEVANCE TO THE LOT LINE, UH, UH, UH, CHANGE. I BELIEVE YOU COULD SEE THE SCREEN AT THIS POINT. YES. SO THE, THE CHANGE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS GONNA BE RIGHT WHERE MY CURSOR IS RIGHT NOW. THAT'S THE BULB THAT ANDY IS REFERRING TO, CORRECT? CORRECT. THE AREA I'M REFERRING TO, YOU'RE CORRECT. IT'S NOT EXACTLY ADJACENT TO IT, BUT SINCE THIS IS KIND OF PART OF THE OVERALL, AND ANDY HAS BEEN COOPERATIVE, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ISSUES HERE. THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T PUT IT IN WRITING. THE AREA THAT I'M REFERRING TO IS GOING TO BE BASICALLY IN THIS ALONG THE BORDER BETWEEN GREENBURG AND TARRYTOWN RIGHT. IN THIS AREA. OKAY. BUT, AND THE REASON I BRING THAT UP, IT'S NOT BECAUSE THE SUBDIVISION IS THERE. I THINK IT MIGHT BE COMING FROM THIS AREA OF THE SUBDIVISION. SO WHAT I WAS EXPLAINING IS WE HAVE A 16 INCH, WHICH CONVERTS TO A 20 INCH TRANSMISSION LINE THAT COMES UP ALONG THE BORDER OF TARRYTOWN. AND GREENBURG ULTIMATELY COMES TO THIS LOCATION HERE WHERE WE HAVE OUR WATER RESERVOIR. AND THAT LINE WAS PUT IN, I BELIEVE, IN THE LATE, EARLY TO MID SEVENTIES. SO OVER THE YEARS THINGS HAVE OCCURRED BECAUSE OF THE SUBDIVISION, THIS CARRIAGE TRAIL, THE T HEAD WAS PUT IN THERE. I KNOW THERE'S OTHER LINES THERE. AND WHAT I BELIEVE IS OCCURRING IS STORMWATER IS GETTING IN THE BEDDING OF THE MATERIAL OF THE, THE, OUR, OUR WATER MAIN. AND IT'S COMING DOWN AT THE SIDE AT A, WHERE IT'S THE LEAST RESISTANCE, AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY LIKE IN THIS AREA, AND IT FOLLOWS A PATH AND IT COMES OUT HERE ON BROWNING LANE. SO ALL I'M, I'M ASKING THIS BOARD SINCE ANDY'S ON, AND HE MAY AGREE TO IT, MAY NOT AGREE TO IT, IF IT WOULD BE, HE, HE WOULD PROVIDE US ASSISTANCE IN TRYING TO RESOLVE THIS MATTER, UM, BECAUSE THIS SUB, THIS AREA HERE, IF YOU ANYONE'S BEEN OUT TO THE SITE AND YOU LOOK FROM THE TERRYTOWN SIDE, THAT'S, THAT'S A, IT'S A VERY LARGE MOUNTAIN. IT'S BEEN CREATED, UH, EVEN THOUGH WE SAY IT'S NOT, DOESN'T CREATE RUNOFF, AND WHEN WE CREATE THE STEEP SLOPES, IT DOES HAVE ADDITIONAL RUNOFF. SO, AND WE'VE NOTICED IN THIS AREA, IT'S A LOT WETTER, UH, THAN IT USED TO BE. UH, I KNOW YOU'VE PROVIDED OTHER MEASURES, SO I, I'M JUST REQUESTING TO TRY AND SOLVE MAYBE ONE PROBLEM AT A TIME SO IT DOESN'T IMPACT OUR RESIDENTS, SO, OKAY. OKAY. WELL, AS, AS WAS NOTED, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY RELATED TO THIS PROJECT. UH, YOU'VE, YOU'VE INDICATED, UH, THAT, UH, MR. TODD AND I THINK MR. TODD CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU THAT'S REALLY NOT RELATED TO THIS APPLICATION. UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS, I DON'T THINK THIS REALLY IMPACTS THE CUL-DE-SAC AND THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT WE APPRECIATE AND WE LIKE, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH YOU, AND I THINK MR. TODD HAS HEARD YOUR CONCERNS AND HE CAN ADDRESS THEM, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, BACK TO YOU, BACK TO YOU AND THE VILLAGE. MM-HMM. . YES. AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WHILE YOU'RE CORRECT, IT DOESN'T, THIS APPLICATION IS NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO IT, BUT THE SUBDIVISION THAT WAS CREATED MAY HAVE CAUSED THIS. SO INDIRECTLY IT'S OVERALL IMPACTS COMES BACK TO THAT. SO, YEAH. UH, AND I FULLY, I, I FULLY CAN APPRECIATE THAT STATEMENT IN THAT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE THAT COULD BE, OR MAYBE IT'S NOT A INDEED A FACT, BUT I CAN APPRECIATE THE CONCERN. BUT WHETHER OR NOT WE, UH, APPROVE THIS, UH, SUBDIVISION THAT WOULD HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT ON THAT PROBLEM. AND IF THE CALCULATION, WHICH I ASSUME IS CORRECT FROM, UH, IN TERMS OF THE DECREASE IN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, UH, UH, THAT, UH, MR. TODD HAS, UH, UH, INDICATED, AND OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WILL OF COURSE VERIFY THE, THE, UH, THE, THE IMPACT OF THIS WILL BE A DECREASE IN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. SO THAT DOES NOT ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT YOU [01:45:01] HAVE. THAT MIGHT, MIGHT BE TRUE. WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE TRUE OR NOT, BUT THE WHAT HA WHAT WE DECISION WE MAKE ON THE, ON THE SUBDIVISION WILL NOT HAVE ANY EFFECT ON, ON THIS ONGOING PROBLEM THAT YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED. SO, YES. SO WE CAN APPRECIATE THAT THAT COULD, MIGHT BE AN ISSUE, BUT WE CANNOT RELATE THAT TO THIS APPLICATION, MR. SLOTS, JUST VERY SIMPLY, THEY ARE DEFINITELY TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES. RIGHT. MR. TODD, IS IT POSSIBLE YOU COULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, UH, WITH MR. PINELLA OFFLINE AND ALSO REPORT BACK TO AARON AS TO HOW THAT DISCUSSION WENT? IS THAT POSSIBLE? YES. OKAY. MR. PINELLA, DOES THAT SATISFIED YOUR NEEDS FOR, UH, FOR THAT, THAT, THAT WE ARE NOW AWARE OF IT? WE HAVE ASKED MR. TODD TO MEET WITH YOU AND GET BACK TO US WITH HOW, UH, WHAT'S GOING ON? OKAY. UH, THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO TONIGHT. AND AS, AS, UH, BOTH CHAIRMAN SIMON AND, UH, MR. FRIED SAID, UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT HAS NO IMPACT. IN FACT, IF ANYTHING, IT WOULD'VE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON YOUR ISSUE. BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR ISSUE. THESE THINGS DO COME UP AFTER, AFTER THE FACT SOMETIMES ON AN, YOU KNOW, UNANTICIPATED AND MR. TODD WHO HAS BEEN WITH US HAS BEEN, BEEN VERY, VERY OPEN, AND I'M SURE WITH YOU AS WELL, I'M SURE HE WILL MEET WITH YOU IF HE DOESN'T LET US KNOW. OKAY. THAT THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT WE CAN OFFER TONIGHT. IS THAT FAIR? UH, YEAH, THAT'S FAIR. I GUESS I'M NOT, WASN'T LOOKING TO HOLD A PROJECT UP IN ANY WAY. UH, IF YOU WERE GOING TO CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD, I WAS JUST THE ONLY REQUEST I'D HAVE. I APPRECIATE TRYING TO, AND, AND ANDY'S ALWAYS BEEN COOPERATIVE WITH US, UM, JUST AS A CONDITION THAT HE WOULD JUST ASSIST IN, IN TRYING TO DETERMINE, I DIDN'T SAY FIX, TRY TO DETERMINE WHAT THE SOURCE IS AND WE CAN WORK ON THAT AS WE GO ALONG. SO YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING TO GET OUT OF TONIGHT'S MEETING. YEAH. AND MR HAS AGREED, HAS AGREED TO DO THAT, AND ALSO TO KEEP US INFORMED AS TO WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT. SO, WE'LL, UH, LET'S GET TO THAT STEP, SEE WHAT HAPPENS, AND THEN TAKE IT FROM THERE, BUT AS A SEPARATE ISSUE FROM TONIGHT'S MEETING. OKAY? OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WE'RE GOING BACK TO, UH, UH, REQUEST FOR AMENDED SITE PLAN AND GLARY SUBDIVISION. UH, DO, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CONCERN ABOUT THIS, UH, FROM PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS BEFORE I ASK FOR A VOTE ON THE AMENDED SITE PLAN AND THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION CHAIRPERSON? SIMON, UM, JUST A QUICK NOTE BEFORE YOU, UM, ASK IF THERE, WE HAVE GOTTEN COMMENTS FROM MR. PINNELL AND WE APPRECIATE THOSE. BEFORE YOU ASK FOR ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, JUST IN THE EVENT THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE, I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU CONSIDER, UM, UH, DOING THE SEEKER, BECAUSE THIS DOES INVOLVE A RE SUBDIVISION, UM, RIGHT. SO IT DOES QUALIFY AS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SEEKER, UM, FOR TWO VOTES. AND, UM, AND YEAH, TWO VOTES. TWO VOTES, EXACTLY. OKAY. I, I WILL, I'LL MOVE THAT. UH, THIS, THIS PROJECT IS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SEEKER. SECOND. SECOND. OH, OKAY. MONA, SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. SECOND. THE SECOND MOTION WOULD BE, UH, THAT, UH, I JUST LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. SECOND NEGATIVE. CONSIDER A NEGATIVE. THANK YOU, ECK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I FORGOT WHAT THOSE WORDS MEANT. I MOVED THAT WE DECLARE A NEGATIVE. I'VE BEEN AROUND WALTER TOO LONG. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. HE'S DRAINED MY BRAIN. UM, I I MOVED THAT WE MAKE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION ON THIS PROJECT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? AYE. OPPOSED? NONE. OKAY. IT, UH, OKAY. AND DO WE HAVE ANY, ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK NOW AS PART OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME? I DON'T BELIEVE WE DO. OKAY WITH, WITHOUT ANY, UH, ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON THIS. I, I, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO AMEND, UH, THE SITE PLAN AND, UM, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, ACTUALLY. YEAH. WE CAN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING CHAIRPERSON SIMON, AND LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN FOR, UH, ONE WEEK. STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND, UM, I IMAGINE THAT MR. TODD WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH MR. PINELLA WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK AND BE ABLE TO GET BACK [01:50:01] TO US AHEAD OF THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, RENDERING ANY DECISION ON THIS PROJECT AT ITS NOVEMBER 17TH MEETING. OKAY. SO WE'D RECOMMEND THAT, UM, THE PLANNING BOARD CONSIDER CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LEAVING THE RECORD OPEN THROUGH NOVEMBER 10TH. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED. UH, SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY, NOW OPPOSED. THEN THE NEXT MOTION IS TO, UH, A MOTION TO CLOSE, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING. I MAKE THE MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL JUST CLOSE. PUBLIC HEARING. NO, NO. AT THIS POINT, NO, NO, NO. AT THIS POINT, WE JUST NEED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING , AND GO BACK TO WORK SESSION. I'LL SECOND GO BACK TO WORK HERE. WORK SESSION. OKAY. AND COR SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? YEAH. AYE. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE WILL THEN GO BACK INTO WORK SESSION. UH, BARBARA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. THANK YOU EVERYONE. THANK YOU. GOODNIGHT EVERYBODY. GOODNIGHT. BARBARA. BARBARA GOODNIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, BARBARA. GOODNIGHT. JUST, UM, REAL QUICK, UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE NEXT PROJECT, CHAIRPERSON SIMON THERE, I JUST WANNA ANNOUNCE FOR SOME FOLKS IT APPEARS WE MAY HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE STILL ON FOR PROJECTS THAT WERE ALREADY DISCUSSED. JUST WANNA ANNOUNCE I SEE, I SEE MR. PETTI ON AND, UM, HE WAS HERE FOR THE 66TH BEACH STREET PROJECT. UH, I TRIED ACTUALLY TEXTING HIM ON HIS CELL PHONE TO LET HIM KNOW THAT WE ALREADY DEALT WITH 66TH BEACH STREET. SO IF HE WANTS TO SIGN OFF, HE'S, HE'S FREE TO DO THAT. IF HE WANTS TO STAY ON AND WATCH THE REST OF THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING, HE'S CERTAINLY FREE TO DO THAT AS WELL. UM, AND THEN WE DO ALSO HAVE, WELL, IF, IF, IF HE MISSED IT, YOU COULD RELAY TO HIM WITH THE DECISION, I MOST CERTAINLY WILL. OKAY. SO, UM, MR. PETTI, THE 66 BEACH PROJECT WAS EXTENDED, THE APPROVALS WERE EXTENDED BY THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, FOR A PERIOD OF THREE YEARS, VALID THROUGH MAY, 2023. SO, UM, WE LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, RECEIVING THE BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION IN SHORT ORDER AND, AND GETTING A NICE PROJECT BUILT AT THAT SITE. UM, AND YOU'RE FREE TO SIGN OFF OR STAY ON IF YOU WISH. AND THEN THERE'S, UM, GENTLEMEN, ARUN, ARI, AND I BELIEVE MR. JAVARI MAY HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN THE FOUNTAIN HEAD APARTMENTS PROJECT. UM, I DID TRY AND CHAT WITH YOU THROUGH THE CHAT FUNCTION TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT PROPOSAL WAS ALREADY REVIEWED AND DISCUSSED BY THE PLANNING BOARD. UM, AND THE PLANNING BOARD ACTUALLY VOTED ON A DECISION THERE TO REQUIRE THAT EITHER A, UM, SIX FOOT HIGH WHITE VINYL FENCE BE INSTALLED IF THE APPLICANT DISAGREES THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO REPLACE IT WITH A SIX FOOT HIGH WOODEN FENCE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PRIOR APPROVAL, UH, AND THE CONDITION OF THE PRIOR APPROVAL. SO WE CAN SPEAK MORE ABOUT IT TOMORROW IF YOU WISH, BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAY ON FOR THE MEETING IF YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED IN ANYTHING ELSE. OKAY? ALRIGHT. AND, UM, SORRY FOR THAT BRIEF DELAY, BUT I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO KEEP PEOPLE ON LONGER THAN THEY NEEDED TO. VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD. THE NEXT PROJECT IS, UM, CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 27, BERNARD SELF STORAGE, LOCATED AT 42 DASH 44 HAYES STREET, PO ELMSFORD IN THE LI LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT IS APPEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD THIS EVENING AS PART OF A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE TO DISCUSS A POTENTIAL FUTURE SITE PLAN APPLICATION INVOLVING THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN APPROXIMATELY 140,000 SQUARE FOOT FIVE STORY SELF-STORAGE FACILITY ON A PROPERTY THAT SPANS BOTH THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD AND THE TOWN OF GREENBURG. THE PORTION OF THE SITE SITUATED WITHIN THE VILLAGE CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 25,350 SQUARE FEET, WHILE THE PORTION OF THE SITE SITUATED WITHIN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 19,650 SQUARE FEET. PROPERTIES ARE SITUATED ON THE NORTHERLY SIDE OF HAVEN STREET BETWEEN HAYES STREET AND NAND AVENUE. THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DAVID STEINMAN ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, MR. STEINMAN. BUT BEFORE YOU START, I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT THAT, UH, I REMIND THE BOARD THIS IS A PRESUBMISSION CONFERENCE. SO WE ARE NOT HERE TO SOLVE ANY PROBLEMS, OR OUR PURPOSE HERE IS [01:55:01] TO RAISE ISSUES THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD ADDRESS WHEN THEY FILE THEIR OFFICIAL APPLICATION. SO IT'S FOR US TO, TO MAKE MR. STEINMAN AWARE THAT WE HAVE A CONCERN OF A OR B AND C, THEN IT'S UP TO MR. STEINMAN TO FIGURE OUT HOW HE'S GONNA ADDRESS IT. WE ARE NOT HERE TO REDESIGN THE DESIGN PROJECT. WE ARE HERE TO GIVE HIM DIRECTION OF HOW THE CONCERNS HE MUST TAKE IN EFFECT WHEN HE IS COMING UP WITH A FINAL PLAN. OKAY, MR. SIMON, THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD. GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL. BEEN BEEN A WHILE. NICE. NICE TO BE BACK. UM, AND BECAUSE I THINK DIEGO AND I ARE GLUTTONS FOR PUNISHMENT, WE DECIDED TO COME BACK WITH A COMPLICATED PROJECT THAT SHOULDN'T BE SO COMPLICATED. UM, I AM VERY PLEASED TO BE HERE REPRESENTING RENARD SELF STORAGE. WE'VE GOT OUR WHOLE TEAM HERE FOR THIS PRE-SUBMISSION DISCUSSION. WE WILL TRY TO BE EFFICIENT. I'M JOINED TONIGHT BY DINO THOMASETTI, UH, AND TOM ANTO FROM RE RENARD, UH, THEIR PROJECT DESIGNER, MICHAEL SEG, MY COLLEAGUE, UM, WHO YOU HAVE NOT PREVIOUSLY MET DOMINIQUE ALBANO. UM, DIEGO VILLA IS HERE FROM J M C ALONG WITH PAUL DUMONT. UM, WE, WE SPENT SOME TIME MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UM, WITH STAFF BOTH HERE IN GREENBURG, AS WELL AS IN ELMSFORD BEFORE WE EVEN DECIDED TO REACH OUT AND COME BEFORE THE BOARD. WE, WE ARE HERE OBVIOUSLY IN CONNECTION WITH A APPLICATION. UM, AS THE CHAIR INDICATED, IT'S, UH, LOCATED, UM, UH, AT HAYES AND NAPER HAND, UH, AT AN INTERESTING INTERSECTION IN A SECTION OF ELMSFORD AND GREENBURG THAT IS IRONICALLY, BOTH COMMUNITIES ZONED ALLY, BOTH COMMUNITIES, UH, BY, BY ZONING THE SITE. LI IT IS A LAWFUL USE IN BOTH COMMUNITIES. UM, NOT SURPRISINGLY, UH, THE CODES ARE DIFFERENT. UH, THE ELMSFORD CODE IS, UM, IS FAR LESS RESTRICTIVE. AND IN FACT, WE BELIEVE WE CAN, UH, DO THE PORTION OF THE PROJECT THAT'S IN ELMSFORD WITHOUT THE NEED FOR ANY VARIANCES. CONVERSELY, UH, THE PORTION OF THE SITE THAT'S IN GREENBURG IS, UM, RATHER RESTRICTED, UM, IN TERMS OF BULK CRITERIA AND IT WOULD NECESSITATE, UM, UH, A NUMBER OF VARIANCES. ALL OF THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, OUR CLIENTS, UM, WE'RE QUITE WELL AWARE OF THIS. DIEGO AND HIS TEAM AND I, AND MINE MADE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD THIS. AND THEY GENUINELY BELIEVE THIS REMAINS A TERRIFIC LOCATION FOR SELF STORAGE. WE KNOW AT THE OUTSET, UM, AND YOU, YOU MUST REALIZE, DIEGO AND I KNOW THIS, THAT ALL OF YOU ARE WONDERING WHY IS J M C AND Z AND S BACK WITH ANOTHER SELF-STORAGE APPLICATION KNOWING THAT WE'VE PROCESSED OTHERS BEFORE YOUR BOARD, KNOWING THAT THERE ARE OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY. AND, UM, THOUGH WE DON'T NEED TO BELABOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, IF YOUR BOARD WANTS TO HEAR IT, RENARD IS READY TO EXPLAIN PRECISELY WHY THERE IS A CONTINUING DEMAND IN THE GREENBERG GREATER COMMUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL SELF-STORAGE. A AS, AS MUCH FUN AS THEY KNOW THIS APPLICATION WILL BE. UH, THEY ARE HERE NOT FOR THE FUN OF THE APPLICATION, BUT BECAUSE THERE'S A, A CLEAR DEMAND, UM, FOR THIS, FOR THIS USE. THEY BELIEVE 140,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, RATHER ATTRACTIVE SELF STORAGE BUILDING BUILT OVER FIVE ACRES ON THIS SITE WORKS. IT WORKS IN TERMS OF VEHICULAR CIRCULATION, PARKING, ET CETERA. WE'RE HERE REALLY FOR ONE PRIMARY REASON, IT'S A LOT EASIER TO FILE AND PROCESS THIS APPLICATION IN THE ELMSFORD SIDE BECAUSE THERE ARE NO VARIANCES REQUIRED AND WE KNOW WE SATISFY THE BULK CRITERIA THAN IT IS ON THE GREENBERG SIDE. SO DIEGO AND I LITERALLY HAVE HAD DIFFICULTY FIGURING OUT PRECISELY HOW TO EVEN ARTICULATE THE ZONING BULK TABLE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT BEFORE YOU, AND THEN FIGURING OUT THE PROCESS. WE'RE READY FOR THE PROCESS. WE'RE EXCITED TO DEAL WITH YOUR BOARD. WE'RE EXCITED TO DEAL WITH THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. WE WANTED YOU TO MEET RENARD, WE'RE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THE DEMOGRAPHIC DEMAND AND MARKET DEMAND ISSUE. AND WE CAN BRIEFLY RUN THROUGH SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE SITE PLAN HYPOTHETICALLY WOULD LOOK LIKE. WE HAVE NOT FILED ANYTHING. UM, IT WORKS. I'M HAPPY TO MR. CHAIRMAN, TURN IT OVER TO DIEGO FOR A, A VERY BRIEF EXPLANATION OF THE SITE, UNLESS THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A VERY BRIEF EXPLANATION OF WHY SELF-STORAGE AT THIS LOCATION. WELL, I, I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD, UH, SOME OF BOTH WITH THE, ONE OF THE, UH, OF COURSE WE WANNA UNDERSTAND THE PROJECT AND THEN, UH, AND THEN FROM THAT WE COULD THEN OUTLINE SOME CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE. AND I'M QUITE SURE ONE OF [02:00:01] THE CONCERNS I COULD GUARANTEE, BECAUSE I'M GONNA MAKE IT, ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS, UH, WHY THIS UNIT AT THAT SITE AND WHETHER OR NOT GREENBERG IS GOING TO BE THE STORAGE CENTER OF WESTCHESTER COUNTY, THAT THAT'S WILL BE A CONCERN. BUT LET'S HEAR WHAT YOUR PRESENTATION IS. YOU BET. SO WE GET A OVERALL UNDERSTANDING OF IT. AND THEN WE COULD GO BACK TO SAY, OH, THESE ARE THE 1, 2, 3, 4 ISSUES THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU ADDRESS, UH, WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH A FORMAL APPLICATION. VERY WELL, DIEGO. UH, YOU ARE ON MUTE. WE CAN, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE YOU'RE ON MUTE, DIEGO, BUT WE, WE ARE UNABLE TO HEAR YOU. HOW ABOUT NOW? ONCE WE, THERE YOU ARE. THERE YOU GO. THERE WE GO. AND WE HAVE ENABLED THE SHARE SCREEN FUNCTION THAT'S APPROPRIATE. THANK YOU, AARON. JUST, UH, AGAIN FOR THE RECORD, UH, DIEGO VI WITH J M C, UH, THE ENGINEERS AND PLANNERS WORKING, UH, FOR THE APPLICANTS, UH, AS THEY REQUESTED. I AM GONNA SHARE MY SCREEN. I DO JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF EXHIBITS FOR YOU THIS EVENING. LET ME KNOW WHEN THAT COMES UP. STILL WAITING ON IT, DIEGO? NOT HERE YET. WE, WE KNOW IT SAYS YOU'RE SHARING, BUT THERE'S, WE'RE NOT SEEING ANYTHING. OKAY. NO, IT, IT'S THE, UH, IT MIGHT BE JUST LOADING. GIVE IT ONE SECOND. DID YOU CLICK ON THE, ON THE PAGE YOU WANTED ON THERE? 'CAUSE IT, YOU JUST, THERE'S NOTHING COMING UP. DIEGO, CAN YOU GUYS STILL HEAR ME? YEAH. THE BLANK SCREEN. UNFORTUNATELY THE ZOOM FROZE UP ON ME. GIVE IT ONE SECOND HERE. THERE WE GO. WE GO. GOT IT. GOT IT. DID WE GET IT? YEP. YES SIR. ALRIGHT, SORRY ABOUT THAT. ALRIGHT, SO JUST LIKE A COUPLE EXHIBITS FOR YOU THIS EVENING. THE FIRST ONE IS AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH, JUST, YOU KNOW, HELPFUL TO GIVE YOU CONTEXT WITH THE LOCATION RELATIVE TO ROUTE NINE A, WHICH IS SHOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE HERE. UH, YOU HAVE 2 87, THAT'S JUST OFF TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. NORTH IS STRAIGHT UP HAVEN STREET CUTS RIGHT THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE PAGE. AND THEN YOU SEE THE ONE ACRE PROPERTY THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN RED, BORDERED BY NHE AVENUE TO THE EAST AND HAY STREET TO THE WEST. UM, YOU COULD SEE FROM THE EXISTING AERIAL, THE BUILDING ITSELF, UH, TAKES UP A MAJORITY OF THE SITE AND THE BALANCE OF IT IS REALLY, UH, PARKING AREA. UM, THERE'S PARKING IN FRONT. THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CURB CUTS IN AND AROUND THE PROPERTY ITSELF. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA AS WELL OF THE CONDITION OF THE EXISTING ROADWAY AND WHAT IS HAPPENING IN AND AROUND, UH, THE PROPERTY ITSELF. UM, GOING BACK TO THIS, THE SECOND EXHIBIT IS THE SITE PLAN ITSELF. SO IN MEETING, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT WITH RENARD, WE WENT THROUGH A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ITERATIONS TO TRY TO STRATEGICALLY LOCATE THE BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY. AND IT REALLY IS QUITE SIMPLE. IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING IS GONNA OCCUPY A MAJORITY OF THE SITE AND YOU COULD SEE IT ON THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY HERE. AND THEN THE PARKING ACCESS AND LOADING WOULD BE ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY HERE. UM, A AS AARON AND DAVID HAD INDICATED, YOU KNOW, THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN BOTH THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD AND THE TOWN OF GREENBURG. AND THAT BISECTING LINE IS RIGHT HERE. YOU COULD SEE IT RIGHT ALONG THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE. SO THE BOTTOM HALF OF THE PAGE IS WHAT'S LOCATED IN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD, WHICH INCLUDES THE PARKING AREAS, THE LOADING, AND THE FRONT PORTION OF THE BUILDING. AND THEN THE BACK PORTION OF THE BUILDING ITSELF, UM, EXTENDS WITHIN THE GREENBURG. THERE IS NO PARKING, THERE'S NO ACCESS POINTS, ANYTHING PROPOSED ON THE GREENBERG SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF. THE ACCESS WOULD BE, UH, FROM TWO LOCATIONS, NHEM AVENUE AND HAYES STREET. IT WAS REALLY INTENDED TO DESIGN JUST A THROUGH ACCESS. SO YOU'RE ABLE TO PULL INTO THE PROPERTY PARK, YOUR VEHICLE PARK, UM, UH, THE LOADING INTO ONE OF THE LOADING ZONES THAT'S PROPOSED. UH, IT'S ACTUALLY RECESSED UNDER THE BUILDING. YOU COULD SEE THIS CUTOUT IN THIS AREA HERE. UH, SO YOU HAVE PARKING THAT'S UP AGAINST HAVEN STREET, THE LOADING SPACES UP AGAINST THE BUILDING ITSELF, AND THEN DIRECT ACCESS INTO THE BUILDING. YOU COULD SEE THE GENERAL CONFIGURATION OF THE UNITS AND THE WALKWAYS WITHIN THE BUILDING. AGAIN, IT IS SELF STORAGE. SO IT IS RELATIVELY A STRAIGHTFORWARD BUILDING. THE BUILDING IS SET BACK ABOUT [02:05:01] 54 55 FEET FROM HAVEN STREET, AND IT'S SET BACK, UH, 12 AND A HALF FEET FROM EITHER PROPERTY LINE. UH, AS DAVID HAD INDICATED, ALL OF THAT SATISFIES THE CRITERIA OR THE BULK ZONING CRITERIA WITHIN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD. SO EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE ALONG THE FRONT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY HERE, ALL THE CRITERIA, THE BULK CRITERIA INCLUDING COVERAGE, SETBACKS, ACCESS, PARKING, ET CETERA, ARE ALL SATISFIED. IT'S ONLY WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AS A WHOLE AND TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THEI DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG THAT WE RUN INTO. THOSE NON-COMP COMPLYING, UH, BULK REQUIREMENTS, UM, SIDE YARD SETBACKS, REAR YARD SETBACKS, UM, ALL THOSE ITEMS. I MEAN, THE SIDE YARD SETBACKS IN THIS DISTRICT ALONE ARE 50 FEET. AND YOU COULD SEE VERY QUICKLY IF WE APPLIED, AND I'M JUST GONNA TRY TO MARK IT UP VERY QUICKLY HERE. IF WE TRIED TO APPLY A 50 FOOT SETBACK TO THIS PROPERTY, IT WOULD COME INTO THIS AREA AND SEVERELY SHRINK AND LIMIT THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING THAT COULD BE CONSTRUCTED THERE WHILE JUST TO THE SOUTH, YOU COULD CONSTRUCT A MUCH LARGER BUILDING. UM, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT ITSELF IS A JUST OVER 28,000 SQUARE FEET. UH, IT IS A FIVE STORY BUILDING THAT IS PROPOSED, AGAIN, FULLY COMPLIANT WITH WHAT'S PERMITTED WITHIN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD. AND THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WOULD FACE HAVEN STREET. UH, THE BUILDING ITSELF IS A VERY ATTRACTIVE BUILDING, UH, WHAT I BELIEVE IS A GREAT IMPROVEMENT TO WHAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. UM, THERE WERE SOME ELEVATIONS AND SOME PERSPECTIVES THAT WERE PREPARED THAT, UH, I'D LIKE TO PUT UP ON THE SCREEN AS WELL. VERY QUICKLY, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE TYPE OF BUILDING THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED IN THIS LOCATION. AGAIN, A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT, UH, FROM SOME OF THE BUILDINGS IN AND AROUND THE AREA THERE. UPDATED LANDSCAPING ALONG THE FRONTAGES OF THE PROPERTY ON ALL THE DIFFERENT SIDES AND, UM, UH, JUST AN OVERALL IMPROVEMENT TO THE PROPERTY. BUT AS DAVID HAD INDICATED, YOU KNOW, THE ZONING IS THE CHALLENGING PIECE FOR US HERE. UH, STILL NOT QUITE CERTAIN HOW TO HANDLE AND WHAT EXACTLY WHAT VARIANCES ARE REQUIRED TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROJECTS. UH, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANTED TO GET A HANDLE ON, UH, DURING THESE INITIAL MEETINGS WITH YOUR BOARD HERE. AND, UH, AS YOU ALLUDED TO, MR. CHAIRMAN, WANNA JUST TRY TO UNDERSTAND ANY COMMENTS, CONCERNS THAT THE BOARD MAY HAVE. WE HAVE NOT PREPARED A FULL SITE PLAN SET AT THIS POINT. UH, THE HOPE IS THAT WE RECEIVE SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS, YOUR FEEDBACK, AND WE CAN INCORPORATE IN THE SET. THIS WAY WHEN WE DO COME IN WITH A FULL APPLICATION, WE'RE ALL HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. ONE FINAL COMMENT JUST TO, TO GO BEHIND DIEGO DID THAT, NEITHER OF US MENTIONED. UM, DIEGO, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE, UM, THE VICINITY AERIAL. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID DISCUSS WITH STAFF, UM, WHEN, WHEN LOOKING AT THE, UM, GREENBERG CRITERIA, BULK CRITERIA, VIRTUALLY NONE OF THE PROPERTIES IN AND AROUND HAYES, NAPER HAVEN, ET CETERA, NONE OF THESE SITES COMPLY WITH YOUR LI BULK. UM, THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL EITHER NON-COMP COMPLYING OR PRE-EXISTING NON-CONFORMING AND NON-COMP COMPLYING. UM, WE, WE POINT THAT OUT SIMPLY TO SAY THAT WHILE WE COMPLETELY RECOGNIZE THAT THIS APPLICATION DOES NOT COMPLY WITH GREENBERG'S ZONING BULK, NO ONE ELSE IN THE AREA DOES EITHER. SO, UM, WE ARE HOPING THAT YOUR BOARD AND REALLY JURISDICTIONALLY THE ZONING BOARD, CAN LOOK BEYOND THAT AND ACKNOWLEDGE WHY WE BELIEVE THE VARIANCES DO NOT RESULT IN A DETRIMENTAL IMPACT TO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS AND THAT THE BENEFIT TO THE APPLICANT OUTWEIGHS ANY DETRIMENT TO THE COMMUNITY. SO IN SOME WAYS, WE ARE ASKING YOU, UM, TO LOOK PAST THE BULK CRITERIA. THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR THE ZONING BOARD, BUT WE WOULD NEVER START THERE. OBVIOUSLY, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, WE WANTED TO START HERE. WE WANTED TO GET YOUR REACTION, AND WE'RE HOPING WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO IMPROVE THIS SECTION OF GREENBERG AND ELMSFORD WITH AN ATTRACTIVE, FUNCTIONAL, MINIMALLY IMPACTFUL BUILDING. DAVID, I JUST REFRESH MY MEMORY. I YEAH, I HAD THE SAME QUESTION. WE THINK ABOUT THE SAME QUESTION YOU, WE TALKED ABOUT. YEAH, GO AHEAD. I THOUGHT WHEN WE DID, WHEN YOU DID THE, THE STUFF, I THOUGHT IT WAS THE STUFF ON NINE A YOU HAD DONE AN ANALYSIS FOR US ON BULK, ON THE BULK REQUIREMENTS FOR THESE TYPE OF FACILITIES. AM I CORRECT ON THAT? WAS IT DIEGO? I'M, I'M NOT. WHEN DIEGO DID WE DO A GEN, LIKE A GENERAL ANALYSIS OF BULK? UH, I DON'T RECALL THAT THAT WAS FOCUSED, UH, HUGH MOSTLY ON THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS LOOKED INTO. OH, OKAY. THAT'S RIGHT. LEAVE THAT REALLY FOCUSED IN ON BUILDING SETBACKS, WHAT'S APPROPRIATE FROM THAT STANDPOINT, WE WERE TRYING TO REALLY HONE [02:10:01] IN ON THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. THAT'S RIGHT. UM, FOR, FOR THAT TYPE OF USE. AND EVEN WITH WHAT WE CAME OUT THERE, WE STILL FELT IT WAS A PRETTY HIGH NUMBER FOR A SELF-STORAGE USE. NOT NECESSARILY A WAREHOUSE USE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. RIGHT. BUT FOR A SELF-STORAGE USE, WE ENDED UP WITH A HIGHER NUMBER THAN WE FOCUS. WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE, I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL, AGAIN, THE, THE, A LOT OF THIS DECISION, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW YOU FIGURE THE ZONING ON THIS BECAUSE ALL THE PARKING , I MEAN, IF I LOOK AT IT AND SPLIT THE BILL BUILDING IN HALF THE WAY YOU SPLIT IT, WE HAVE NO PARKING WHATSOEVER ON OUR SIDE, SIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU, HOW YOU CALCULATE THAT. THE FIRST THING I WOULD DO THOUGH, I THINK IT COULD BE VERY HELPFUL. I MEAN, WE, WE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT WE NEED TO BE CONSTANTLY LOOKING AT UPDATING OUR CODE. SO SOMETHING THAT COULD BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL HERE IS TO GET AN IDEA OF THE BULK REQUIREMENTS FOR THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES IN OUR SURROUND FOR WITH OUR SURROUNDING VILLAGES AND MUNICIPALITIES. IF YOU COULD POSSIBLY DO THAT. YOU'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST. EXACTLY. YES, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT. I, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION, HUGH. THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS WHEN WE DO THAT, LET, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AND DISTINGUISH BETWEEN DOING THEM IN A PURELY SUBURBAN CONTEXT AND IN A MORE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, SEMI-URBAN CONTEXT. 'CAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT ELMSFORD GREENBERG SECTION THERE IS UNLIKE MOST SECTIONS OF WESTCHESTER COUNTY. HUH? THE, I CAN JUST ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION. WALTER. YES. DO YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? GO AHEAD, YOUR FRIEND. GO AHEAD. OKAY. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, I NOTICED THERE'S A, A LITTLE, LITTLE RIVER CALLED THE SAWMILL RIVER. AWFULLY CLOSE TO THIS. HOW DO, WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE FLOODPLAIN THERE? IS THAT AN ISSUE? YEAH, THAT, AND THAT'S EXCELLENT POINT AS IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING WE BROUGHT UP SINCE DAY ONE AS WELL. WE ACKNOWLEDGED, AND WE BROUGHT THIS UP WITH THE APPLICANT, THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS ON THIS PROPERTY AS WELL. WE DO ENCROACH WITHIN THE ITSELF. WE NEED TO GET THE SPECIFIC ELEVATIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE COMPLY WITH ALL OF YOUR REQUIREMENTS. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE FLAGGED. MM-HMM. , UH, PRETTY MUCH THE FIRST DAY WE LOOKED AT THIS PROPERTY WITH THE APPLICANT, WE BROUGHT IT UP AND WE CERTAINLY WILL ADDRESS IT WITH OUR, UH, FLOODPLAIN PERMIT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SORRY, WALTER, GO AHEAD. PIGGYBACKING OFF THAT WALTER, JUST, UH, STICKING ON THE FLOODPLAIN DIEGO, DO YOU KNOW IF IT'S WITHIN THE 100 YEAR OR THE 500 YEAR? WHERE HAS THAT YET TO BE DETERMINED? NO, IT'S WITHIN THE 100 YEAR, BASED ON THE MAPS. I WILL CHECK THE LIMITS OF THE 500 YEAR FLOODPLAIN AS WELL. AND, UM, I HAVE A FEELING, I THINK I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE HEADED THAT WITH THAT, BUT I, IT'S, I WILL CHECK THE MAPS AND I, I MIGHT BE EVEN ABLE TO PULL IT UP WHILE WE'RE ON THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW. OKAY. JUSTIN, BE AWARE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THOSE DEFINITIONS ARE ANYMORE. I MEAN, THE 100 YEARS, ONCE A YEAR OR TWICE A YEAR, THE 500 YEAR, MAYBE ONCE EVERY TWO OR THREE YEARS NOW I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE THOSE DEFINITIONS ANYMORE. YEAH. O ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU, UH, IN TERMS OF THE, OF THE FLOOD PLANE IN THAT AREA, UH, I, A ENGINEER, UH, FOR A DIFFERENT APPLICANT, UH, DID EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF WORK YEAH. ON THE FLOOD, UH, FLOODPLAIN IN THAT AREA. UH, UH, UH, FEW, I GUESS IN THAT GENERAL AREA. SO I HAVE A LOT OF DATA. SO YOU COULD SPEAK TO, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT AND, UH, HE COULD TELL YOU THE, THE NAME OF THAT FIRM, WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO CONTACT THEM AND, AND, UH, FOR THAT DATA. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD DO BECAUSE HE DID EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF WORK, UH, IN THE FLOOD PLAIN AND GAVE A COMPELLING, UH, UH, TECHNICAL, UH, UH, SUPPORT OF, OF THAT APPLICATION. SO IT WAS A LOT OF WORK. SO THAT'S SOMETHING. THE OTHER THING IN TERMS OF, TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT, UH, UH, MY C S U SAID IN TERMS OF, OF OUR CODES AND LOOKING AT OTHER AREAS TO SEE IF IT MAKES SENSE, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE THAT WE SHOULD NOT, UH, FOR THIS APPLICATION, WE SHOULD COMPARE IT TO THE OTHER LI DIS THE SURROUNDING ALLI DISTRICT, AS OPPOSED TO COMPARING IT TO A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT WOULD BE GOOD TO DO THAT ANALYSIS, UH, ALL ALONG THAT AREA OF, UH, UH, OF THEI DISTRICT AND DEFINITELY ALONG THE SAW MILL OF ANY OTHER ALLI DISTRICT IN THE AREA. SO IT SHOULD BE, THAT COMPARISON SHOULD BE TO, SO, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A REASONABLE COMPARISON TO DO YOU [02:15:01] IF YOU THROW IT IN RESIDENTIAL. THAT'S, THAT'S MY OWN COMMENT. ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS IN TERMS OF PROVIDING DIRECTION AS TO YEAH, WELL, I, LOOK, I, I, IN ADDITION, IN ADDITION TO GETTING, YOU KNOW, BULK REQUIREMENTS FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS, IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, MANY, IF NOT MOST OF THE BUILDINGS IN THE AREA ARE LEGAL NON-CONFORMING TO THE . LET ME JUST CORRECT YOU, MICHAEL, MAYBE YOU MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT I SAID. NOT IN OTHER, I'M THINKING WITHIN GREENBURG, NOT IN THE OTHER MUNICIPALITY. I WASN'T REFERRING TO YOU, I WAS REFERRING TO, I THINK WHAT YOU SAID. I'M MAKING A DIFFERENT POINT. OKAY. UM, UM, IF I, IF I UNDER, IF I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT DAVID SAID, YOU KNOW, MANY, IF NOT MOST OF THE SURROUNDING OR ADJACENT BUILDINGS ARE LEGAL NON-CONFORMING TO THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, MICHAEL. OKAY. I, IT, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE NICE, IT, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO US IN MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR YOU TO, YOU KNOW, SHOW US WHICH OF THOSE BUILDINGS ARE LEGAL, NON-CONFORMING, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A, WHAT, 200 FOOT RADIUS. NO PROBLEM AT ALL. WE, WE INTEND TO DO THAT. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? ABSOLUTELY. WILL DO THAT. YEAH. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? MY OTHER COMMENT IS THAT, LOOK, I I'VE BEEN TO THAT AREA A NUMBER OF TIMES. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I CAN RECALL ANY LANDSCAPING. UM, UM, IF YOU COULD ADD A FEW TREES, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT DISRUPTING YOUR PLAN, THAT WOULD BE NICE. YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA HOW ABOUT, HOW ABOUT PAINT ON THE BUILDINGS? THAT'S A GOOD THING TOO. YEAH. UH, TO YOUR POINT, UH, THERE IS LANDSCAPING AGAIN ON, ON ALL THE FRONTAGES AS THE PLAN IS CURRENTLY DESIGNED. WE COULD INCORPORATE THAT AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING. YEAH. I MEAN, IT LOOKED A LITTLE WEEDY IN THE PICTURE YOU SHOWED ME. SO, UNDERSTOOD. WE, WE'LL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT AS THEY MOVE FORWARD. I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE MY FEEDBACK AND INPUT TO THE APPLICANT IN THERE. OKAY. AND MY OTHER POINT THAT I MADE IS THAT, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS YOUR, UH, UH, UH, MR. SIMON, WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS YOUR FIRM OR A DIFFERENT FIRM, AND THAT, UH, THEY DREW MAPS. OH, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN WORK ON, UH, UH, ON, UH, ASSISTED LIVING. OKAY. WHERE WE, WE DREW MAPS OF HOW MANY, SEE, NOT ONLY WOULD, AM I CONCERNED WITH THE NUMBER OF, UH, TO, TO LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF, OF THESE TYPE OF FACILITIES IN THE WHOLE TOWN. I WOULD LIKE, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY HOW MANY OF THESE FACILITIES IN WITHIN, UH, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND FEET, UH, UH, OR 3000 FEET A MILE AWAY. UH, SO WE COULD SEE THAT, THAT, OR WHAT EFFECT IT IS IN THE FACT THAT WE ALREADY HAVE THREE IN THAT LOCATION. SO IT MIGHT BE YOU HAVE ALL THE JUSTIFICATION TO BUILD ANOTHER STORAGE BECAUSE THE MARKET FORCES JUSTIFY THAT. BUT MY QUESTION IS, ALTHOUGH THE MARKET FORCES JUSTIFY THAT, AND WE CAN HAVE, WE CAN HOUSE THAT IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, DOES IT NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE IN, THIS WILL BE CREATING AN OVER CONCENTRATION IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. SO TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, GIVE US INFORMATION ON THAT SO WE COULD AT LEAST KNOW THAT, THAT ALSO WOULD BE HELPFUL. SO, A AARON AARON, UM, EXPLAINED IN ADVANCE THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY, WE, WE COULD TALK TO IT BRIEFLY TONIGHT IF YOU WANT. I JUST, I WANNA MAKE SURE THE RECORD'S CLEAR. THERE IS NO PROHIBITION IN GREENBURG, UM, OR SEPARATION DISTANCE BETWEEN THE USE. UM, UH, YOU AS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, HOW MUCH DIEGO AND I AND OUR TEAMS WANT TO COOPERATE FULLY AND WILL WIN TOWN. YES. YOU HAVE NO LEGAL AUTHORITY, HOWEVER, TO, TO I FULLY RECOGNIZE THAT. OKAY. GOT IT. I GOT IT. I'M LOOKING FOR INFORMATION. FAIR ENOUGH. I JUST, I WOULD BE REMISS, WALTER, AND YOU KNOW ME TOO WELL, THAT IF I DIDN'T SAY, MY CLIENT NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE ASSERTED THE LEGAL POSITION THAT IT'S A LAWFUL USE IN ELMSFORD AND GREENBERG. YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS CAN'T TELL, YOU CAN'T HAVE THREE PIZZA PLACES TOO CLOSE TOGETHER. 'CAUSE IF THEY WANT TO DO IT, THEY GET TO DO IT IF IT'S LAWFUL. UM, HAVING SAID THAT, NONE OF US, ESPECIALLY THE GUYS ON THE SCREEN THAT ARE READY TO SPEND AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY TO IMPROVE THAT PROPERTY AND INCREASE THE RATEABLE, THEY DON'T WANNA DO IT IF THEY'RE GONNA BE UNSUCCESSFUL. TRUST ME. SO, UM, THEY'RE [02:20:01] HAPPY TO EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY THEY'RE CONVINCED THEY WILL BE SUCCESSFUL AND, AND WHY, WHY THEY THINK IT SHOULD BE HERE. DAVID, DO, DO YOU HAVE A WRITTEN, LIKE A, A MARKET ANALYSIS REFLECTING, YOU KNOW, THE NEEDS? YES. YES. WHY DON'T YOU, WHY DON'T YOU JUST SHARE THAT WITH US? SO, BECAUSE WE WERE, MICHAEL, BECAUSE IT WAS IN A PRE-SUBMISSION FORMAT, WE DIDN'T SUBMIT ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT WE COULD, WE COULD GIVE YOU FIVE, 10 MINUTE IF YOU WANT IT TONIGHT. IF YOU DON'T WANT IT TONIGHT, THAT'S FINE. UM, UM, CAN I INTERRUPT FOR ONE MINUTE? I'M SORRY. DAVID. UM, AARON, UH, APPARENTLY GOT, UH, SOMEHOW GOT KICKED OFF THE ZOOM, UH, MEETING . UM, AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET NO ONE NOTICED. GOOD. GOOD JOB, DIEGO. GOOD JOB. I'M SORRY. THERE'S THAT OTHER BUTTON ON MY COMPUTER. UH, I WILL JUMP IN. HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE TWO OTHER MATTERS AT THIS POINT. UM, SO, UM, I AM GOING TO, YOU KNOW, JUST SORT OF SUGGEST THAT YOU NOT, UNLESS THE BOARD REALLY WANTS TO TONIGHT, I THINK WE TO GET ONTO THE OTHER. YEAH. YEAH. AND, AND THAT'S, I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME. THAT'S CONSISTENT. EXCUSE ME FOR THAT. OKAY. I'M LOOKING AT THE TIME. WHY DON'T JUST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN SHARE THAT MARKER REPORT WITH US. WHY DON'T YOU JUST SIT WITH AARON AND YOU'LL DISTRIBUTE IT. YEAH. BECAUSE AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, TONIGHT IS NOT THE NIGHT WE GET ALL THE INFORMATION, BUT MAKE YOU AWARE OF THE INFORMATION WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE. SO, OKAY. ONE SIMPLE POINT OF INFORMATION AND WE WILL LEAVE AND, AND NOT OVERSTAY WELCOME. WE WAITED A WHILE TO GET ON AN AGENDA. YOU'RE BUSY. WE FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT OUR CLIENT HAS BEEN PATIENT, UM, AND THEY HAVE TRIED TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THIS. WE WOULD SIMPLY LIKE TO ADVANCE, AND AS I SAID AT THE OUTSET, THIS IS NOT GONNA BE EASY ONLY BECAUSE WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO PROCESS THIS AT THE MOMENT IN TWO DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES, ELMSFORD IS INVITING US TO GET GOING. THEY WOULD LIKE THIS APPLICATION TO PROCEED, AND THEY'RE PREPARED TO EXPEDITIOUSLY GET IT APPROVED. 'CAUSE THEY THINK IT'S A GREAT REUSE OF THIS PROPERTY. IF, IF WE CAN SIMPLY HAVE THE ABILITY FOR DIEGO AND I TO TRY TO WORK WITH DAVID AND AARON, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO FILE AN APPLICATION AND GET ON AN UPCOMING AGENDA. DIEGO, UNLESS YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, WE DON'T WANNA KEEP DOING PRE-SUBMISSION. YOU ALL KNOW US TOO WELL. WE DIDN'T WANT TO JUST DROP AN APPLICATION WHEN WE KNOW IT HAD TO BE CREATIVE, BUT I WANT THE BOARD TO KNOW WE'RE READY TO FILE AN APPLICATION, EVEN IF IT'S A LITTLE UNUSUAL FOR THE REASONS HUGH SCHWARTZ IDENTIFIED EARLIER, NO BARKING AT ALL. WELL, THAT, THAT WE'RE IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT. THAT WAS THE POINT OF THIS MEETING, FINE. TO GIVE YOU DIRECTION, AND THEN IT'S UP TO YOU AND YOUR TIMING WHEN YOU FILL, WHEN YOU F UH, UH, UM, FILE FOR, UH, AN APPLICATION. SO NOW THAT WE, YOU MADE YOUR PRE-SUBMISSION, WE GAVE YOU SOME FEEDBACK. NOW THE BALL IS YOUR COURT AS TO WHEN YOU ARE ON A FILE. WELL, UNDERSTOOD. DAVID, THE ONE THING I THINK, THINK I, LET'S JUST GO OVER PROCEDURE FOR A SECOND HERE. UM, YOU NEED A SITE PLAN APPROVAL. YES. YES. AND YOU, AND YOU NEED THE VARIANCES TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN. YES. IS THAT ALL YOU NEED? AND, AND THEN WE NEED SITE PLAN APPROVAL FROM THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD, CORRECT? YEAH. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT ON OUR SIDE. YES. I'M, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING ELSE IN YOUR SIDE. AND JUST, JUST, JUST TO MAKE YOU KIND OF FINISH. OKAY. SO WHAT, FROM A PROCEDURAL POINT OF VIEW, THIS IS WHAT I'D SUGGEST. I'D TRY TO GET YOUR PAPERWORK IN AS FAST AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN SO WE CAN GET YOU ON THE SCHEDULE. UM, THEN OUR NEXT DUTY WOULD BE TO REVIEW THAT PAPERWORK AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD, I WOULD THINK. OKAY. RIGHT. AND THEN IT'LL COME BACK TO US FOR SITE PLAN. NOW REMEMBER, THE ZONING BOARD IS HARDER TO GET ON BECAUSE IT'S ONLY ONCE A MONTH. MM-HMM. , UNFORTUNATELY, WE ONLY MEET ONCE IN DECEMBER. REMEMBER THAT. OKAY. OKAY. SO THINK ABOUT THAT FROM TIMING AND GETTING THE PAPERWORK FOR US ENOUGH IN ADVANCE THAT WE CAN SCHEDULE YOU ON AND WORK THAT OUT WITH AARON. OKAY? OKAY. WE ALSO NEED, UH, WE, BUT WE EVEN BEFORE, AND DAVID DOES THIS, ONCE YOU GET THE APPLICATION IN, WE NEED OUR INTERNAL REVIEW BEFORE WE GO ON THERE. YEAH. SO, I MEAN, THE NOT, NOT GONNA PROMISE, NOT GOING GUARANTEE, BUT YOU KNOW, THE HOPE IS THAT IF YOU GET SOMETHING IN, NOW, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET YOU ON FOR THE DECEMBER 1ST MEETING. RIGHT? BUT THAT'S OUR ONLY MEETING IN DECEMBER. SO PLEASE UNDERSTAND, IF FOR SOME REASON WE CAN'T DO THAT, IT WILL KICK OVER IN JANUARY. UNDERSTAND, AND DAVID, WE NEED, WE NEED THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OPINION SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IN TERMS OF VA VARIANCES TOO, SO, OKAY. WHICH MAY NOT BE SO SIMPLE TO FIGURE OUT. HE'S GONNA NEED SOME HELP. RIGHT. HE'S GONNA NEED SOME HELP BECAUSE, OKAY. AND, AND JUST THE LAST THING, THE LAST THING AS THE, AS I GO AHEAD, MICHAEL. BE FINE. YEAH. JUST QUICKLY, DAVID, WHAT'S THERE NOW, DIEGO, CAN YOU, CAN YOU OR THE EXISTING USE [02:25:01] IN THE BUILDING ACTUALLY YES. DID WHAT DID DINO AND OR TOM, MAYBE YOU COULD HELP ME WITH THAT, THE EXISTING USE. I THINK THERE'S THE CLEANING AND RESTORATION PLACE THAT'S IN, WHAT'S THE USE IN THE BUILDING TODAY? UH, I BELIEVE IT'S JUST A WAREHOUSE USE. I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN THERE. UM, UM, YEAH, WE, WE JUST KNOW THAT IT'S A WAREHOUSE USE AND YOU'RE GONNA YEAH, I THINK IT'S A, I THINK IT'S A BASICALLY A, WHAT'S THAT? TEAR IT DOWN. HE SAID YOU WERE GONNA TEAR IT DOWN. OH YEAH. IT WOULD BE A FULL TEAR DOWN OF THE EXISTING BUILDING. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO REPURPOSE ANY PORTION OF IT. THERE'S NO WAY WE, WE LOOKED INTO IT. THERE ISN'T TO REPURPOSE IT. OKAY. WE, WE REALLY HAVE TO MOVE ON TO THE OTHER APPLICATION. UH, I WOULD JUST, I JUST SAY ONE THING THAT YOU HEARD EARLIER WHEN I WAS SPEAKING TO THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM TERRYTOWN, THAT IS SOME, THAT WE SHOULD WORK CLOSELY ON THIS APPLICATION. I'M MAKING ATTEMPT TO, UH, SPEAK WITH, UH, UM, THE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING BOARD FOR ELMSFORD SO WE COULD COORDINATE THINGS BETTER. SO IN, IN MOVING THIS ALONG. SO I'LL BE, I, I MADE IT ATTEMPT, BUT I HAD NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET SOMEONE FROM ELMSFORD TO BE AT THE KNIGHT'S MEETING. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, UH, THAT BOTH MUNICIPALITIES ARE INVOLVED, SO, SO WE KNOW WHAT THE OTHER HAND IS DOING SO WE COULD SHORTEN THE TIME TO COME INTO A DECISION. SO I AM WORKING ON IT. GREAT IDEA. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. WE APPRECIATE THAT. WE APPRECIATE THE TIME TONIGHT. MONA WAS TRYING. MONA, YOU ASKED. YEAH, THIS IS GONNA NEED A SITE VISIT ALSO AT SOME POINT. JUST RESPOND. BRING IT ON. WE'D LOVE, WE'D LOVE TO SCHEDULE THAT. WE WOULD LOVE TO WALK THAT WITH YOU. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK WHEN YOU SEE IT, YOU'LL BE HAPPY THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING ON THE PROPERTY. OKAY. OKAY. THANK, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THEN, UH, NOW WE HAVE, UH, WE WILL SEE YOU. WE'LL SEE YOU HOPEFULLY NEXT MONTH. EVERYBODY TAKE GOOD CARE. HAVE A GREAT NIGHT. THANK YOU, DAVID. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THE, THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, CASE BBB 21, 22. AND AARON, I THINK IS BACK. AND SO I THINK HE CAN GIVE YOU THE SUMMARY FOR THAT . SORRY ABOUT THAT. I HAD A, I RAN INTO A, A, AN INTERNET ISSUE, HAD TO REBOOT, BUT, UM, AS CHAIRPERSON, SIMON INDICATED NEXT CASE, PB 21 DASH 22 DERO LOCATED ALONG CROSS HILL ROAD, PO HARD SALE IN THE R 21 FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT SEEKS PLANNING BOARD WETLAND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE POOL, AND RELATED IMPROVEMENTS ON AN EXISTING VACANT LOT. THE WATERCOURSE AND WATERCOURSE BUFFER AREA ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 21,218 SQUARE FEET, AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING APPROXIMATELY 18,500 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE. UM, THE PROPERTY CONTAINS AN ABANDONED POOL AND SHED, BOTH OF WHICH ARE PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE REMOVAL OF, OF APPROXIMATELY 22 REGULATED TREES REQUIRING A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT FROM THE PLANTING BOARD, AND HAS PREPARED A LANDSCAPING PLAN, WHICH CALLS FOR THE PLANTING OF 35 TREES AND 10 SHRUBS, AS WELL AS OTHER VEGETATION, AS OTHER VEGETATION AS REPLACEMENTS. THE APPLICANT MET WITH THE C A C WHO ISSUED A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION WITH CONDITIONS THE APPLICANT HAS RESPONDED TO THE REQUEST AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE C A C. AND, UH, WE HAVE MR. RENADO HERE AND OTHERS ON THE BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE. TURN IT OVER TO MR. RENADO. HOW ARE YOU MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? UH, MY NAME IS JEREMY RENADO FROM RAIN CONCEPTS, JUST REPRESENTING, UH, JOHN AND SYLVIA DEMIRO, THE OWNERS OF, OR THE NEW OWNERS OF THIS VACANT PARCEL ON CROSS HILL ROAD. UM, IF I COULD JUST PULL UP, I GUESS THE PLAN HERE. UM, AND, UM, MR. RENADO, WHILE YOU'RE PULLING THAT UP, JUST WANTED TO, UM, MENTION TO YOU AND, AND ALSO JUST TO THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT, UM, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT ON. SO, UH, IT'S ABOUT 9 32 NOW, AND SO WE'D LIKE YOU TO BE AS DETAILED AS POSSIBLE, BUT ALSO AS, AS SWIFT AS POSSIBLE IN DETAILING THE PROJECT FOR US. THANK YOU. YEAH, I, I I'M GONNA TRY TO FOCUS ON, UH, JUST THE, JUST THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BROUGHT US THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, BASICALLY, 'CAUSE I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE AS FAR AS LOT COMPLIANCE, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, STORMWATER DRAINAGE, UH, SETBACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT W WILL BE HANDLED WITH BUILDING AND ENGINEERING. UM, IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO GET INTO MORE DETAIL OF THAT, THAT'S REALLY NOT AN ISSUE. UH, BUT THE, THE MAIN REASON WHY WE ARE HERE WITH PLANNING BOARD IS BECAUSE THERE IS AN EXISTING SWALE OR WATERCOURSE [02:30:01] THAT RUNS THROUGH THIS PROPERTY. UM, IF YOU CAN SEE HERE, SORT OF WHERE MY CURSOR IS FOLLOWING HERE, UH, THERE IS A WATERWAY ACROSS THE STREET, AND I'M GONNA BRING UP MY MAP HERE SO WE CAN SORT OF SEE THIS, UM, THAT RUNS THROUGH SOME OF THE EXISTING PROPERTIES IN THE BACK HERE ON CROSS HILL ROAD. UM, AND COMES TO A HEAD POINT SOMEWHERE AROUND HERE WHERE THE TOWN PREVIOUSLY HAS INSTALLED SOME DRAINAGE THAT DIVERTS THAT WATERWAY BACK INTO THE TOWN DRAINAGE SYSTEM. AND THERE IS STILL CURRENTLY AN OVERFLOW PIPE THAT AT SOME POINTS, UM, MAY RECEIVE SOME FLOW, WHICH RUNS THROUGH THIS SWALE BACK THROUGH THE PROPERTY AND INTO AN EXISTING HEAD WALL THAT IS, THAT IS PIPED THROUGH THIS PROPERTY. UM, AND THEN ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, ONTO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET HERE, UM, THE REASON FOR BEING IN FRONT OF PLANNING BOARD IS THAT BECAUSE THIS AT ONE POINT, I GUESS WAS MARKED AS A STREAM ON A TOWN PROPERTY THAT THEY ARE TREATING IT AS, AS SUCH IN ENGINEERING, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT. SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE THAT AREA. HOLD ON ONE SECOND HERE. GET BACK. I I'M NOT SEEING ANY CURSOR IF YOU'RE MOVING IT ON THERE NOW. ARE YOU SEEING THAT? YEAH. SORRY, I JUST HAD TO GET BACK INTO THE SCREEN. UM, SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO BASICALLY PICK UP ANY INFLOW THAT WOULD INTERMITTENTLY COME THROUGH THIS EXISTING SWALE AT TIMES INTO PIPING THAT WOULD CONTINUE ON THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, AND EVENTUALLY OUTLET INTO WHERE THE OUTFALL IS NOW. SO THE, THE BASIC THOUGHT HERE IS TO TAKE THE EXISTING DRAINAGE THAT RUNS THROUGH THIS SWALE THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY AT TIMES AND CAPTURE IT AND JUST REROUTE IT AROUND UNDERGROUND INTO PIPING AND THEN INTO WHERE THE EXISTING OUTLET POINT WOULD BE THERE. UM, ENGINEERING HAS REQUESTED THAT WE PREPARE A STUDY FOR THE UPSTREAM AREA, UM, TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE NO NEGATIVE IMPACTS, YOU KNOW, TO THE PROPERTY SURROUNDING, AND THAT THERE WOULD BE NO NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO THIS PROPERTY ITSELF, UH, BY REMOVING BASICALLY THAT, THAT, THAT CONVEYANCE OF WATER THAT EXISTS. NOW, UH, I JUST WANNA SHOW ALSO VERY QUICKLY HERE. SO THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET, UM, WHERE THIS EXISTING STREAM NOW RUNS, UH, THERE'S A STREAM THAT RUNS AT TIMES. I MEAN, MOST OF THE TIME THIS IS, THIS HAS A VERY LIGHT FLOW USED TO COME THROUGH THIS HEAD WALL THROUGH HERE AND DIRECTLY INTO THE PROPERTY. AT SOME POINT, IT LOOKS LIKE IN, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE LATE NINETIES, UM, OR LATE EIGHTIES OR EARLY NINETIES, THE TOWN HAD GONE IN AND CREATED A HEAD WALL HERE WITH SOME NEW PIPING AND DIVERTED THIS BACK INTO THE TOWN DRAINAGE SYSTEM. THERE STILL IS THE EXISTING PIPE HERE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY IN USE. UM, THAT OUTLETS OVER HERE. AND AT TIMES WHEN THERE ARE MAJOR STORM EVENTS, UM, THERE IS SOME WATER THAT DOES THAT DOES TRAVEL THROUGH THERE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO CAPTURE AT THOSE TIMES. THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE OUTLET OF THAT PIPE COMING ACROSS THE STREET. AND THIS HERE IS A PICTURE OF, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT OR NOT, UM, THIS AREA RIGHT HERE WHERE THE, WHERE THOSE TWO PIPES MEET, I'M JUST GONNA PULL THIS SITE PLAN BACK UP. UH, THE SITE PLAN ITSELF IS FOR, YOU KNOW, DRIVEWAY RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, UH, A SMALL POOL IN THE BACKYARD, AND IT WILL BE SERVED BY, UH, TOWN WATER, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE A SEPTIC SYSTEM 'CAUSE THERE IS NO SEWER WITHIN THE AREA. UM, OR THAT'S CLOSE ENOUGH THAT, THAT THEY COULD REASONABLY CONNECT. COULD YOU JUST SHOW A PICTURE? I KNOW A PICTURE. I SAW ONE OF THE PICTURES WHERE YOU ACTUALLY SEE THE, UH, HIGH OH, HIGHLIGHTED, UH, THE PIPE, THE DIVERSION AROUND. YEAH. YES. SO THERE IS, HERE, I THOUGHT I SAW THE PICTURE OF THE SAME MAP. IT DOES CLEARLY SHOW WHERE THAT NEW PIPE IS RUNNING. SO THE NEW PIPE IS RUNNING. SO THESE, THIS IS ACROSS THE, OH NO, GO BACK. TO GO BACK TO YOUR RI TO THE PREVIOUS ONE. OH, THIS PLAN. OKAY. OKAY. NOW THERE'S THE PIPE THAT YOU PICKED UP. SO JUST [02:35:01] THAT IT'S CLEARLY YEAH, YOU COULD SEE THE PIPE, BUT I THOUGHT I SAW A DIAGRAM WHERE THAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED. SO, UH, IT WAS, YEAH, IT WAS DIAGRAM, IT WAS HIGHLIGHTED ON THAT OTHER, ON THAT OTHER DRAWING. OKAY. SO THAT THE, THE, THE OLD OUTLET PIPE THAT THE TOWN HAD A 15 INCH CORRUGATED METAL PIPE OUTLETS HERE. UM, AND IT SORT OF JUST TRAVELS ALONG THROUGH THIS SWALE AND THEN GOES INTO A 24 INCH PIPE ON THAT GOES UNDERNEATH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY IN THE REAR. UM, WE CAN'T, BECAUSE WE CAN'T CROSS THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROPERTY LINE, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FULLY PIPE THE ENTIRE THING THROUGH. SO OUR PROPOSAL IS TO PUT A DRAINAGE INLET OR, OR A CATCH BASIN HERE TO CAPTURE ANYTHING THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY COME THROUGH THIS AREA AND ENTER THE EXISTING SWALE ONTO THEIR PROPERTY. COULD YOU JUST TRACE THE PIPE ON YOUR PROPERTY? JUST YOURSELF, SO EVERYONE OH, SURE, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO THE PIPE ON PROPERTY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, WOULD RUN THIS WAY AND THEN MAKE A TURN AND THEN RUN BACK HERE. OKAY. AND THEN OUTLET INTO THERE. SO THEY BASICALLY JUST DIVERTED AROUND THE, AROUND THE NEW STRUCTURE. OKAY. DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? UH, UH, DESIGN, WHICH IS BASICALLY, UH, UH, THE EXISTING STREAM OR, OR THAT'S JUST BEING DI UH, THAT RUNS ACROSS THE PROPERTY IS BEING PIPED AROUND THE PROPERTY AND THEN PICKED UP AT THE, AT THE OTHER END. SO A QUESTION, DO YOU HAVE ANY ANYBODY ASK QUESTIONS? I WAIT. UM, SO I, I LIVE FAIRLY NEAR THIS PROPERTY. I'LL WALK BY IT FREQUENTLY. UM, I DON'T SEE FORESEE ANY ISSUES WITH THE PROPOSED PIPING. LIKE I HAVE NOT NOTICED, NOT I DON'T LIVE RIGHT THERE, BUT I HAVE NOT NOTICED MAJOR OVERFLOW OR ANY SIGNIFICANT OVERFLOW COMING IN THAT AREA. UM, I DO QUESTION THE SEPTIC TANK AND THE THE CALEX, UM, JUST BECAUSE I KNOW IT CAN BE VERY SOGGY THERE. IT CERTAINLY IS WHERE I LIVE. SO I KNOW IT'S A BIT OFF TOPIC, WALTER, BUT IF YOU COULD, UH, JUST EXPLAIN THE SOIL TESTS THAT YOU DID. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE, THE NOTATIONS THAT WERE ON THE PLAN. SURE. YEAH. SO, UH, I WANNA BE CONFIDENT THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS PIECE OF LAND IS GONNA TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE, UM, RECHARGES AND THE SEPTIC SYSTEM. YEAH, WELL, SO THE EXISTING SEPTIC SYSTEM, WE'VE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UM, AND PERFORMED WITNESS SOILS TESTING WITH THEM AND RAN THROUGH THEIR ENTIRE PROCESS AND, AND PROVIDED THE COMPLIANCE SYSTEM THAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE IT IS GONNA FUNCTION, UM, FOR, FOR THIS SIZE HOUSE, WHICH IS A THREE BEDROOM DWELLING. SO WE ARE, WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT THAT'S GOING TO FUNCTION FINE IN THIS AREA WHERE WE PERFORM THE SOIL TESTING. UM, THE SAME THING WITH WHERE THE COLD TEXT ARE DESIGNED BACK HERE. UM, WE HAVE SOIL BORINGS AND PERCOLATION TESTS THAT WERE DONE WITHIN, UH, THE TOWN STANDARDS AND WITHIN THE STATE STANDARDS FOR THAT TYPE OF SYSTEM. UM, AND WERE ABLE TO SIZE FOR THE INCREASE IN IMPERVIOUS FOR, I BELIEVE, WHAT IS THE 25 YEAR STORM, WHICH IS THE REQUIREMENT. UM, SO BASED ON THE TESTING THAT WE HAVE, I I DON'T SEE ANY OF THOSE ISSUES ARISING. UM, AT TIMES I THINK IT CAN BE KIND OF SOGGY IN THIS, IN THIS LOWER SWALE AREA, BUT THAT'S MAINLY JUST BECAUSE ALL THE DRAINAGE AS IT IS NOW KIND OF RUNS RIGHT DIRECTLY INTO THAT SPOT. UM, AND AT TIMES THERE ALSO, THERE IS, ALBEIT NOT VERY MUCH, THERE CAN BE TIMES WHERE THAT PIPE DOES FLOW AND THERE IS SOME WATER THAT COMES THROUGH THE SITE. SO I, I MEAN, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE DON'T REALLY SEE A LOT OF, UH, DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT WOULD CONTINUE, UM, INTO THIS, INTO THIS LOT. I MEAN, I KNOW IT DOES, IT MAY SEEM SOGGY AT TIMES, BUT WE, WE HAVEN'T REALLY ENCOUNTERED ANY OF THAT WITH THE TESTING. I DON'T EVEN THINK WE HIT GROUNDWATER, UM, IN ANY OF THESE HOLES. AND, AND MOST OF THE BORINGS WERE AT LEAST SEVEN OR EIGHT FEET DEEP, UH, IN ORDER FOR US TO GET COMPLIANT WITH THESE SYSTEMS. THAT, THAT, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, TOM. I'M GLAD YOU ASKED IT. IT WAS SOMETHING THAT STAFF ASKED UP FRONT AS WELL. OKAY. I, UM, I JUST WANTED TO, I, I KNOW MR. SIAH A COMMENT OR QUESTION. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT, UM, WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE TREE REMOVAL AND PROPOSED LANDSCAPING I, ALONG WITH THE TOWN FORESTRY OFFICER. UM, THERE'S, THE APPLICANT INDICATED THAT THERE'S A SITE MODIFICATION FROM WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY SAW. UM, THEY, THEY HADN'T UP THERE UPDATED THEIR PLANS COMING INTO THIS MEETING. THEY ASKED IF IT WOULD BE ALL RIGHT BEFORE THEY MADE A FULL ON PLAN [02:40:01] REVISION, JUST TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THAT RESULTED IN ADDITIONAL PLAN REVISIONS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD THIS EVENING SO THAT THEY COULD JUST UPDATE THE PLAN SET ONE MORE TIME, HOPEFULLY. AND, AND THAT WAS FINE WITH ME. I THINK THEY'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK WITH, UM, COMPLYING WITH THE NEW TOWN TREE ORDINANCE. SO I JUST WANTED TO RELAY THAT TO THE BOARD AND, AND, AND, AND OF, AND OF COURSE WHEN IT, IF WE, IF WE, WHEN WE, UH, MAKE THE DECISION TO PUT 'EM ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING, ALL OF THOSE, UH, DRAWINGS WILL BE UPDATED FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. ANY OTHER MS UH, DESAI, YOU HAD A QUESTION? UH, WE REALLY NEED TO MOVE ON. YEAH. CONSIDERING THAT, UH, UH, THIS PIPING THAT YOU ARE, UH, PUTTING, UH, ON THE SIDE TO DIVERT THE, UH, WATER THAT'S GOING THROUGH THE SWALE, UH, IS THE, IS THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS REVIEWED THE SIZE OF THE PIPING, SO THEY, YEAH, THEY, THEY HAVE, THEY'VE ALSO, UM, JUST ON A QUICK SIDE NOTE, THE, THE EXISTING PIPE THAT'S HERE THAT CAPTURES ALL OF THE WATER THAT THAT CAN FLOW INTO THE LOT RIGHT NOW IS, IS A 24 INCH PIPE. UM, SO WE'VE KIND OF JUST REACTIVELY SIZED THE WHOLE THING FOR A 24 INCH PIPE, BECAUSE THAT IS, THAT'S THE LARGEST SIZE THAT COULD CAPABLY BE ACCEPTED AT THE OTHER END OF THIS. UM, OUR STUDIES DO SHOW THAT A SMALLER PIPE SIZE WOULD BE SUFFICIENT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA STICK WITH THAT LARGER SIZE, YOU KNOW, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS, UM, THAT IT HAS ALL THE CAPACITY THAT IT MIGHT NEED FOR SOME, 'CAUSE WE ARE SEEING LARGER AND LARGER STORM EVENTS, YOU KNOW, AS WE ALL KNOW, AS TIME GOES ON HERE. UM, THEY ALSO HAVE ASKED FOR US TO PROVIDE A FULL UPSTREAM ANALYSIS THAT INCLUDES THE CONVEYANCE OF ANY FUTURE WATERS FOR CERTAIN STORM EVENTS THROUGH THIS PIPING. UM, AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY ISSUES WITH, WITH IT SUFFICIENTLY HANDLING ANY OF THE EVENTS THAT, THAT THEY'RE ASKING US TO RUN THROUGH THERE. OKAY. AND AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU WOULD HAVE ALL THAT, UH, DATA TO, TO SUBSTANTIATE WHAT YOU HAVE JUST SAID? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WE, WE SHOULD BE READY TO SUBMIT THAT AT SOME POINT NEXT WEEK TO ENGINEERING. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE READY I THINK, NOT ONLY TO REVIEW A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IT WOULD, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE READY ENGINEERING COMMENT AT THAT TIME AS WELL FROM YOUR DEPARTMENTS. OKAY. UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UM, UH, PUT THIS ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING. UH, NOW, UH, I'M A LITTLE HESITANT ABOUT, UH, OUR NEXT DATE, AARON, WHAT, WHAT DO WE, WHAT DO WE HAVE, UH, ON OUR CALENDAR FOR THE, THE 17TH? BECAUSE WE MIGHT AT THE MOMENT YEAH, AT THE MOMENT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS ON. UM, SO I THINK IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO PLACE THEM ON, HOWEVER, UH, AS THE CHAIRPERSON INDICATED WE WOULD WANT, UH, IT TO BE CLEAR THAT ENGINEERING HAS REVIEWED AND, AND SIGNED OFF ON THE PIPE SIZING AND ANY OTHER MATTERS THAT THEY NEED TO REVIEW. SO, UM, WHAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU SAID YOU THINK YOU CAN GET IT IN SHORTLY AND BE OKAY FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT KEEP IN MIND PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE TWO WEEKS FROM NOW. SO DO YOU THINK YOU CAN GET THINGS IN BY THE END OF THE WEEK OR, OR MONDAY THE LATEST? UM, WE COULD, I COULD GET SOMETHING PRELIMINARY IN MONDAY. UM, FOR AS FAR AS THE ENGINEERING, FOR THE PIPE SIZING, YES. I, I THINK ABSOLUTELY THAT WOULD BE FINE. WELL, WE NEED ALL THE REQUESTED INFORMATION. AND YOU SAID YOU NEED TO UPSTATE UP, UH, THE LANDSCAPING, I THINK YOU SAID YOU NEED TO UPDATE THAT, THE ENGINEERING. SO IF I'M GONNA PUT IT ON PUBLIC HEARING IT, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE NECESSARY INFORMATION WE HAVE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING NOT TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING SAY, WELL, WE MISSED SOME INFORMATION. SO IF YOU, I WANT, IF YOU NOT ABSOLUTELY SURE, YOU COULD GET ALL THE INFORMATION TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT BY THE EARLY PART OF, UH, UH, NEXT WEEK, AND I THINK AARON, LIKE TUESDAY OR SO, THE LATEST, THEN I, THEN WE'LL GO TO THE DECEMBER MEETING. I, I THINK THAT WE COULD HIT THAT, THAT MARK FOR SURE. YEAH. OKAY. SO I WOULD SAY I DON'T, THAT'S GONNA, I RESPECT TO THE LAND. I WOULD SAY WITH RESPECT TO THE TREE REMOVAL AND LANDSCAPING, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THEY'RE VERY CLOSE, SO IT SHOULDN'T TAKE US LONG TO REVIEW THAT. OKAY. SO, OKAY, SO, SO I'LL MAKE, SO WHAT I WILL DO [02:45:01] IS TO PUT THIS ON FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR NOVEMBER 17TH. OKAY. OKAY. SO LET'S, OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY, SO LET'S GET QUICKLY TO THE NEXT APPLICATION. AND THAT'S THE 14TH PINE STREET. UH, WHAT'S THAT? THE NINE LOT SUBDIVISION? YEAH. SO THIS IS, UM, CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 18, KNOWN AS BADDY, UH, 14 PAIN STREET AND 1 75 WINROCK AVENUE. UM, PO S OXFORD LOCATED IN THE R FIVE ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT. THIS IS AN INITIAL WORK SESSION IN WHICH THE APPLICANT SEEKS, UH, PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION OF TWO EXISTING LOTS INTO NINE LOTS FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONSTRUCTING NINE NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH RELATED IMPROVEMENTS. THE 14 PAYNE STREET PARCEL CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 0.95 ACRES AND CONTAINS A DILAPIDATED HOUSE AND GARAGE, BOTH PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED. UH, THE 1 75 WINTHROP AVENUE PROPERTY CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 7,500 SQUARE FEET OF 0.17 ACRES, AND CONTAINS AN EXISTING RESIDENCE, ALSO PROPOSED TO BE DEMOLISHED. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE REMOVAL OF 12 REGULATED TREES REQUIRING A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD AND HAS PREPARED A LANDSCAPING PLAN PROVIDING FOR THE PLANTING OF 21 TREES AS REPLACEMENT. UM, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT, I DID WANT TO NOTE THAT A MEMO CAME THROUGH FROM THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD THAT'S AFTERNOON. UM, JUST INDICATING THAT THE APPLICANT HAD MET WITH THE H AND L P B I THINK IT WAS IN AUGUST. THERE WERE SOME REQUESTS OF THE HISTORIC BOARD MADE AT THAT MEETING THAT THEY HAVE YET, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT TO MY KNOWLEDGE HAS, HAS YET TO FULFILL. UH, WE HAVE FORWARDED THAT MEMO OFF TO THE APPLICANT AND THE H AND L P B HAS REQUESTED THAT THE PLANNING BOARD, YOU KNOW, NOT ENTERTAIN ANY DECISIONS ON THIS PROJECT. WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS AN INITIAL WORK SESSION, SO, UM, THAT WON'T HAPPEN TONIGHT, BUT THAT'S, NO, NO DECISIONS BE ENTERTAINED UNTIL THE HISTORIC BOARD HAS BEEN SATISFIED. AARON, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. YEAH. THERE'S 47,000, OR ABOUT 48,000 SQUARE FEET. THIS IS AN R FIVE. WHAT'S THE ZONE? THIS IS, THIS IS AN R FIVE, EVEN WITH AN R FIVE, BY THE TIME YOU GET DONE WITH THE ROADS, HOW COULD YOU GET NINE LOTS ONTO A 40, 48,000 SQUARE FOOT PIECE OF PROPERTY? WELL, THAT'S THE, SO I'M GONNA ANSWER THAT VERY, I'M, I'M GONNA ANSWER THAT VERY QUICKLY, BUT THE APPLICANT WILL SHOW US THE PLAN. YEAH. ESSENTIALLY THE, THE, THE PROPERTY IS BOUNDED BY STREETS THAT ALL LOTS WOULD HAVE FRONTAGE AND MEET THE MINIMUM ZONING REQUIREMENT. LET'S LET THE APPLICANT SHOW . YEAH. LET THE APPLICANT ANSWER THAT QUESTION. OKAY. PROCEED. THERE'S NO NEW ROAD BASE. IT'S A QUICK ANSWER. MR. SCHWARTZ. YEAH, GO AHEAD. ALRIGHT, EVERYONE. HI EVERYONE. I'M DAVID YOUNG. UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE. WHEN WE GETTING AN ECHO, WHAT'S THE, SO FROM YOUR SOUNDS TURN DOWN YOUR SOUND. TURN YOUR SOUND TURN THE VOLUME DECK. IS THAT BETTER? YES. OKAY. I APOLOGIZE. WELL, IT'S STILL, I THINK IT'S TURNING DOWN EVEN MORE. IT'S STILL GETTING HOW ABOUT THAT? GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. OKAY. UH, MY NAME IS DAVID YOUNG, I'M HERE FOR HUNTER ENGINEER. TURN IT DOWN MORE. TURN IT DOWN MORE. YEAH, PLEASE. UH, LEMME OKAY. CAN YOU, IS IT, IS THERE STILL ECHO? OKAY, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. OKAY. SO MY NAME IS DAVID YOUNG, I'M REPRESENT, I'M, I'M HERE FOR HOTEL ENGINEERING REPRESENTING BOB, UH, JACK POTTY FOR, UH, APPLICANT FOR 1 7 5 AND 14. UM, CAN I SHARE A SCREEN YET, PLEASE? OKAY. GIMME ONE SECOND. AND TO ANSWER, UH, THE, UH, MR. SCHWARTZ'S, UH, QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE NUMBER OF LOTS IN, UH, IN THAT PROPERTY. YEP. CAN YOU GUYS SEE MY SCREEN? YEAH, YOU, I SEE IT, BUT I SEE DATA WE CAN, IT LOOKS LIKE A STORMWATER REPORT VERSUS THE SUBDIVISION LAYOUT PLAN. OKAY. THERE WE GO. OKAY. SO, UM, WE'RE YOU REALLY, YOU REALLY NEED TO, BUT SO SOMETHING'S WRONG WITH YOUR VOLUME. [02:50:02] OH, I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO HEAR THAT. NO, I HEAR THE ECHOES TOO. IT'S REVERBERATING. LEMME ONE SECOND. WOULD THE APPLICANT MIND CALLING IN AND USING OUR PHONE AUDIO INSTEAD OF THE COMPUTER? YEAH. GIMME ONE SECOND. I APOLOGIZE. WE'LL GIVE MR. YOUNG A MOMENT, BUT AS HE'S STILL WORKING THAT OUT, I CAN SORT OF JUST SPEAK TO THIS A LITTLE BIT. PLEASE DO YOU'LL SEE, YES, PLEASE DO. ON THE LEFTHAND SIDE OF THE PAGE IS NORTH LAWN AVENUE. YEAH. AND THERE ARE THREE HOMES PROPOSED TO FRONT ON NORTH LAWN AVENUE WITH, WITH DRIVEWAYS OUT, UH, TO NORTH LAWN AVE. THEN AS WE MOVE DOWN ON THE PAGE, YOU HAVE PAYNE STREET AT THE BOTTOM, WHICH RUNS, UH, EAST TO WEST. AND THERE ARE FOUR HOMES PROPOSED ALONG PAYNE STREET, UH, WITH DRIVEWAYS OUT TO PAYNE STREET. AND THEN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE YOU HAVE WINTHROP AVENUE, UM, WHICH EXISTS. AND THOSE TWO HOMES IN THE INTERIOR, UH, TOWARDS THE TOP OF THE PAGE ARE PROPOSED AND WOULD HAVE DRIVEWAYS OUT TO NORTH LAWN AVE. SO, UH, AS MENTIONED, THIS IS IN AN R FIVE ZONING DISTRICT. UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR OUR MOST DENSELY POPULATED RESIDENTIAL AREAS WITHIN THE TOWN, SINGLE FAMILY ANYWAY, UM, AND THE LOTS DO MEET ALL, UH, THE MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENTS, ALL LOT IN BOTH REQUIREMENTS. SO THE HOMES, UH, THERE ARE NO AREA VARIANCES OR OTHER VARIANCES REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT. UM, IT'S, UH, WE LOOKED AT THE SURROUNDING AERIAL MAP, AND THIS IS ONE OF MAYBE TWO OR THREE OVERSIZED LOTS IN THIS NECK OF THE WOODS THAT COULD BE SUBDIVIDED DOWN IN THIS FASHION. SO IT'S REALLY CHAIRPERSON. SIMON AND I KIND OF TOOK A LOOK AT THAT. UM, BUT WE DID, WE, ALONG WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE, LOOKED AT THE ZONING TABLE AS SHOWN ON THIS PLAN. IT'S A LITTLE TOUGH TO READ HERE, BUT WE DID CONFIRM THAT THEY'RE WITHIN, UH, ALL THE EXISTING ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. UH, THEY MEET ALL THE LOT IN BULK REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONE. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. YOUNG IF HE'S, UH, FIXED HIS AUDIO. IF NOT, UH, THERE ARE SOME TREES ON THE PROPERTY, BUT IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANTLY WOODED. SO I IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, UM, THERE'S LAWN SPACE, A LOT OF LAWN SPACE ACTUALLY ON THE PROPERTY AND LOOKS LIKE HE'S CALLING IN. NOW, I'M GONNA ADMIT, UM, THERE ARE SOME TREES THAT THEY DO HAVE TO TAKE DOWN. I BELIEVE I SAID 12. THERE ARE SOME SIZABLE TREES THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PRESERVE, UH, ALONG THE PERIPHERY OF THE PROPERTY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE REVIEWED WITH THE TOWN'S FORESTRY OFFICER TO DETERMINE, UH, IF APPROPRIATE PROTECTIONS CAN BE PUT IN PLACE THAT MEET THE NEW TOWN TREE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS. AND THAT'S YET TO BE . AARON? AARON? YES. I'M LOOKING AT THOSE BOTTOM, UH, FOUR HOUSES, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE CUTOUT FOR THE DRIVEWAY GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE. HOW IS THAT NOT A VARIANCE? SO THAT'S COMPLIANT IN THE R FIVE ZONE. THERE IS NO SETBACK OFF THE PROPERTY LINE FOR DRIVEWAYS. YOU CAN PAVE RIGHT UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE IN THE R FIVE DISTRICT. UM, CAN ANYONE HEAR ME? YES. YEAH, THAT'S MUCH BETTER. MUCH BETTER. UH, I DO APOLOGIZE. CAN I, UH, DO YOU GUYS WANT ME TO TAKE OVER AHEAD? NO. UM, JUST ONE THING. THE LAST QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT THE SETBACK. THE ONE THING, HOWEVER, IS THAT YEAH, WE DO SEE THAT ONE. THE SECOND ONE IN FROM THE RIGHT LOOKS LIKE IT'S PAVED ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE. MM-HMM. , AND PERHAPS A COMMENT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, AND MR. SCHWARTZ, BY ALL MEANS MAKE IT, IF THE APPLICANT COULD PULL THAT OFF THE PROPERTY LINE, THAT'D BE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE LOOKED FAVORABLY UPON AND SOMETHING THEY SHOULD EXPLORE. YEP. THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DEFINITELY EXPLORE. OKAY. WHY DON'T I TURN IT OVER TO YOU, MR. YOUNG? OKAY. CAN YOU GUYS STILL SEE MY SCREEN? YES. YES. OKAY. SO, UM, UH, WE HAVE AS OF RIGHT, UH, FOR ALL NINE, UH, LOT LOTS. UH, WE HAVE NO WETLANDS, NO, UH, STEEP SLOPES. UM, WE HAVE NO UTILITIES EXCEPT FOR THE SERVICES THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THIS PAGE. UM, AS FAR AS STORM WATER, UM, WE DO, UH, WE DID A FULL SCRIPT FOR THIS PROJECT. UH, WE DO MEET DC STANDARDS AND WE DESIGN ALL THE STORM WATER, UH, INFILTRATIONS FOR THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM. AND, UM, 100, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT. YOU SAID YOU SAID THAT'S OH, OKAY. GOT IT. YES, BECAUSE THAT'S THE, [02:55:01] UH, WE'RE DISTURBING OVER AN ACRE. SO WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO A HUNDRED YEAR STORM. MM-HMM. . THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT'S BY THE STATE. GO AHEAD. AND, AND, AND AS FOR LANDSCAPING, I DO APOLOGIZE. DAN SHERMAN IS NOT HERE, BUT I'LL DO MY BEST TO CONVEY, UH, WHAT HE'S DESIGNED. UM, SO WE TOOK DOWN, UH, PROPOSING TO TAKE DOWN, UH, 12 TREES, BUT WITH, UH, THE GREENBERG, UH, TREE CALCULATOR, WE'RE PROPOSING TO, UH, PROPOSE 21 NEW TREES. AND WE'RE USING THIS, UH, AS A GOOD, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF USE THE TREES AS SCREENING. UH, TOWARDS THE NORTH WE HAVE SOME, UM, UH, NORWAY SPRUCE, UH, TOWARDS WINTHROP. WE HAVE, UH, PIN OAKS, AND TOWARDS PINE STREET WE HAVE, UH, SUGAR MAPLES. AND THEN TOWARDS THE CENTER, WE'RE USING LINDEN TREES TO KIND OF, UH, SCREEN OFF THE TWO PROPERTIES, UH, FROM THE EAST AND WEST. AND THEN ON NORTH LAWN AVENUE, THERE'S PLENTY OF MAPLES. AND THOSE EXIST, I BELIEVE. YES. YES. THE MAPLES, UH, THE PROPERTY DOES, WHILE THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY OVERALL DOES NOT REALLY CONTAIN MUCH IN TERMS OF SLOPES THE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG. NORTH LAWN AVENUE DOES CONTAIN SOME AREAS OF SLOPES. SO THEY'RE GONNA REALLY TRY AND MINIMIZE ANY, UM, IMPACT TO THOSE SLOPES. THEY'RE JUST GONNA LIFT TO CUT THROUGH THE DRIVEWAYS AND RETAIN THE TREES WITHIN THOSE SLOPES. UM, ONE THING I WANTED TO DO WAS GET OUT TO THE PROPERTY, BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE ARE PROBABLY INVASIVE NORWAY MAPLES, AND I'D LIKE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO POTENTIALLY HAVE THOSE REMOVED, UM, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. UH, AND POSSIBLY IF, IF POSSIBLE, REPLACE THEM WITH A, A MORE SUITABLE NATIVE SPECIES. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS. YEP. AND THAT'S SOMETHING, UH, DAN SHERMAN MENTIONED TO US AS WELL. SO WE'LL DEFINITELY TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY WITH YOU GUYS. OKAY. UH, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR PROPERTY, NORMALLY FOR PROPERTY THIS SIZE, UH, WE HAVE, UH, UH, THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, UH, TAKE A LOOK, HAVE SITE VISITS, DEFINITELY FOR, UH, UH, AND I THINK FOR THIS ONE, IT DEFINITELY WILL QUALIFY WHETHER OR NOT, UH, WE DO IT INDEPENDENTLY, UH, AS SMALL GROUPS OF BOARD MEMBERS OR WE DO A, A, A NOTICE SITE VISIT. BUT, UH, I, I THINK A SITE VISIT IS IN ORDER, UH, FOR THE, UH, PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS TO REALLY SEE THE SITE BECAUSE IT IS A LARGE SITE. AND SO WE COULD MAKE A BETTER, UH, UH, JUDGMENT ON, ON THIS, UM, APPLICATION. UH, ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS? I'M HAPPY TO GO AHEAD. I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I'M HAPPY TO ARRANGE TO BRING MEMBERS OUT, UH, IN SMALL GROUPS IF THAT'S PREFERRED OR IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A, A NOTICE VISIT, WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL. IT'S, IT'S UP TO THE BOARD. I, I WOULD JUST REMIND YOU AGAIN THAT THE APPLICANT STILL IS, IS WORKING WITH THE HISTORIC BOARD, UM, IN, IN, IN RESPONDING TO THOSE COMMENTS. AND, AND YOU GOT THE MEMO. I KNOW IT WAS LATE TODAY. YOU MAY NOT ALL HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, BUT I, I DID JUST WANT TO CALL THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION AGAIN. THANK YOU. YEAH, AS A COMMENT AND SEEING HOW THOSE ARE STILL, UH, ISSUES, I, UH, UH, I CAN'T, UH, THE EARLIEST I COULD SEE IN PUTTING THIS ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE OUR DECEMBER 1ST MEETING, PROVIDING THAT WE GET THE INFORMATION FROM, UH, THE CIRC, UH, BOARD AND MEMBERS OF THE, UH, UH, PLANNING BOARD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT THE SITE. UM, IS THERE ANY PREFERENCE AMONG BOARD MEMBERS WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD, UH, UH, HAVE A, A, UH, A A NOTICE VISIT? I PERSONALLY, I'M GONNA JUMP IN HERE FOR A SECOND AND YEAH, BECAUSE THERE'S ONE QUESTION THAT HASN'T BEEN ASKED YET, WHICH WAS, HAS THE APPLICANT NOTIFIED THE NEIGHBORS? AND REGARDLESS REALLY OF THE ANSWER TO THAT, I THINK, UH, SUBDIVISION OF THIS SIZE, UH, IN THAT AREA, PROBABLY, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, I THINK YOU SHOULD, I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS TO HAVE A NOTICE SITE VISIT SO THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN COME OUT AND SEE THIS, UH, RATHER THAN JUST SAYING, OH MY GOD, I JUST GOT A NOTICE THAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT IN A BUNCH OF HOUSES HERE. I AGREE. OKAY. SO THE, [03:00:01] OKAY. OKAY. LET'S, LET'S ASSUME THAT IT IS ON THE DECEMBER, UH, HEARING, THEN LET'S BACK CALCULATE AND SEE WHAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. AND IF I THINK WE NEED ANOTHER WORK SESSION, WALTER. YES, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THAT'S ONE. UH, UH, UH, UM, AND SO EVEN IN, IN PLANNING THE NEXT WORK SESSION, UH, UM, WHAT, OKAY, I I WOULD STILL THINK THAT BEFORE THE, EVEN BEFORE ANOTHER WORK SESSION, WE SHOULD HAVE A SITE VISIT OR, OR, BECAUSE WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DISCUSS AT THE, AT THE WORK SESSION IF WE DID NOT, IF WE DON'T HAVE A, A BETTER FEEL FOR THE SITE ITSELF. NO, I, I AGREE WITH THAT. . THE FIRST THING, SO THE FIRST THING WE SHOULD DO IS TO, AND I THINK IN THIS CASE I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE THAT WE JUST SET A NOTICE SITE VISIT, AND WE NORMALLY DO THAT ON SATURDAY MORNING. WHAT DOES THE SCHEDULE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS LOOK LIKE? SO WE COULD GET, UH, AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, A A, IF NOT THE ENTIRE BOARD, AT LEAST TWO OR THREE BOARD MEMBERS TO GO OUT FOR A NOTICE SITE VISIT. UH, UH, I WOULD DEFINITELY, UH, BE LOOKING TO BE ONE OF THE PARTICIPANTS. SO, UH, UM, UH, IT WOULD BE NOT BE THIS SATURDAY. WHAT IS THE SATURDAY AFTER NEXT TO HAVE? WHAT DATE IS THAT? THE 13TH? THAT WOULD BE THE 13TH AND THE 20TH. AND I KNOW MR. HAY WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING 'CAUSE HE HAD RAISED HIS HAND. YEAH. UM, ASSUMING WE, UH, DO A, A SECOND WORK SESSION ON THIS, THERE'S TWO QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE I'D LIKE TO HAVE ADDRESSED AT THAT TIME. IT'S LATE NOW, SO I DON'T NEED TO HEAR IT NOW. ONE IS ABOUT THE, THE, UH, STORMWATER RETENTION SYSTEMS. 'CAUSE I SEE A VARYING NUMBER AND SIZE OF CALTECH UNITS. RIGHT. I WANNA UNDERSTAND WHY THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENCES. AND, UH, SEPARATELY, THERE ARE THREE CURB CUTS ON THE NORTH LAWN AVENUE. AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WE RECENTLY HAD ANOTHER APPLICATION, I BELIEVE IT ALSO HAD A COUPLE CURB CUTS ON NORTH LAWN, AND THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, UM, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND AT THE PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT THE TRAFFIC IS ALREADY ON THAT STREET. SO I THINK WE NEED TO INVESTIGATE THE IMPACT OF THE DRIVEWAYS THERE AS WELL. OKAY. SO LET'S, LET'S FIRST SETTLE ON THE PUBLIC ON THE, ON THE SITE VISIT, AND THEN WE WILL, UH, UH, PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR A PUBLIC, UH, ANOTHER WORK SESSION. AND THEN WE GO, WELL, WE'VE GOT THE NEXT, IF WE DO THE SITE VISIT WALTER ON THE 13TH, WE CAN DO, WE CAN PUT IT ON FOR WORK SESSION ON THE 17TH. OKAY. I THINK SO. OKAY. OKAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH. UM, DO WE HAVE A POLICE REPORT? DO WE HAVE ANYTHING FROM SERGEANT REON ON THIS YET? UM, MATT, I BELIEVE WE DO. I THINK HE HAD SOME INITIAL QUESTIONS, I BELIEVE PERHAPS TO PARTI OR IN PARTICULAR THE DRIVEWAYS ON PAYNE STREET THAT HE WANTED THERE TO BE A TURN A TURNOUT. OKAY, LET'S PLAN DOESN'T SHOW, BUT THE, THE OTHER PLAN DID. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, I THINK WE, WE NEED, WE NEED THAT. WE NEED THAT TOO. WE ACTUALLY NEED THAT. THAT IS ACCURATE. HE WAS, WE'VE ALREADY ALREADY PROPOSED THAT. YEAH, WE ARE. OKAY. SO LESS FOR NOW, BECAUSE WE'RE RUNNING OVER THAT WE WILL HAVE A, UH, A NOTICE SITE VISIT FOR SATURDAY, UH, DECEMBER 13TH, NOVEMBER, NOVEMBER 13TH, NOVEMBER, UH, NO, I'M SORRY, NOVEMBER 13TH. AND WE WOULD HAVE A SECOND, UH, UH, UM, WORK SESSION ON THE 17TH. AND, UH, AND THOSE ISSUES THAT, THE ISSUES THAT, UH, THE QUESTION THAT TOM HAD, THE QUESTION THAT, UH, YOU HAD ABOUT JUST EMAIL, EMAIL, THOSE ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, TO AARON, COPY ME ON THE THINGS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE WORK SESSION. SO AS OPPOSED TO TRY TO FIGURE 'EM OUT NOW, WE JUST GET THAT IN AND SO MAKE SURE WHEN WE HAVE THE WORK SESSION, ALL THOSE THINGS WILL BE COVERED. OKAY. WILL THE INDIVIDUAL SITE, AND WELL GO AHEAD PAUL. THAT WOULD BE, WILL THE INDIVIDUAL, WILL THE INDIVIDUAL SITES BE STAKED? SO THAT'S, UH, ONE THING TO MENTION TO THE APPLICANT. IF, IF THE REQUEST OF THE BOARD, IF IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO GET A SENSE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WE WOULD DO THE CENTER OF THE ROADWAY. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A ROADWAY HERE, BUT ASKING THE APPLICANT, MR. YOUNG, MR. BATTY, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO PUT A STAKE IN THE CENTER OF WHERE EACH [03:05:01] DRIVEWAY WOULD BE PROPOSED? AND, AND IF YOU COULD DO THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE HOUSES, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'D COMMIT TO BE ABLE TO DO AHEAD OF, UH, NOVEMBER 13TH AT 10:00 AM I BELIEVE WE CAN, LET ME DISCUSS IT WITH JACK. I BELIEVE HE'S HERE IF HE CAN TALK. OKAY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AND, AND GO AHEAD. YEAH. THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DO. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT 10:00 AM WOULD BE THE TIME, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO NOTICE THIS TOMORROW. YEAH. SO, UM, MATT AND I WILL GET ONTO THAT TOMORROW AND I AM AVAILABLE THAT MR. SAID I CAN DO THAT. GOOD, THANK YOU. HOW ARE YOU? THIS IS THE MR. BODI, AND, AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE THE PROPERTY STAKE. THAT'D BE GREAT. OKAY. YES, THAT WOULD BE FINE. OKAY, GOOD. AND THEN, UM, MY, MY, MY FINAL COMMENT TO THE APPLICANT, MR. BATTY AND, AND HIS REPRESENTATIVE, MR. YOUNG, IS THAT, UM, I BELIEVE THE NEXT HISTORIC BOARD MEETING IS NOVEMBER 9TH, WHICH WOULD BE NEXT TUESDAY. MY, MY STRONG SUGGESTION IS THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE EMAIL WE SENT OVER TODAY WITH THE HISTORIC BOARD'S COMMENTS AND, AND THEIR REQUESTS FROM AUGUST AND LOOKED AT MISS SOMETHING BY NO LATER THAN THE NINTH. UM, NOT THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION THAT EVENING, BUT TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE RESPONDED TO THAT BECAUSE THE PLANNING BOARD WILL PICK THIS BACK UP ON THE 17TH PERHAPS, AND IT'S GONNA WANT TO SEE THAT YOU'VE MADE SOME PROGRESS WITH THE HISTORIC BOARD. THE HISTORIC BOARD ONLY MEETS ONCE PER MONTH, WHILE THE PLANNING BOARD MEETS TWICE PER MONTH, TYPICALLY, EXCEPT FOR DECEMBER IN THIS CASE, WHICH IT'LL MEET ON THE FIRST, AND THEN THAT'S IT. SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. WE, UH, OKAY. THANK YOU. WE HAVE, UH, A RUN OVER BY 10 MINUTES. UM, I, I DON'T WISH TO HEAR A COMMENT FOR THE VICE CHAIR AT REMIND TO ME THAT I JUST GONNA SAY DULY NOTED. MR. MR. CHAIRMAN . . OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU EVERYONE, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE IN RUNNING THE 10 MINUTES OVER. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. REMEMBER THE, UH, THE DE UH, DECEMBER THE 10TH IS OUR, UH, UH, HOLIDAY PARTY AT SIX O'CLOCK. UH, OKAY. SO JUST SAVE THE DATE. I'LL, I'LL FOLLOW UP. RECORDING STOPPED. OKAY. I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH MORE PARTICULAR. WELL, THANK YOU AGAIN. UH, EVERYONE SUSTAIN THE EXTRA TIME NIGHT AT ALL. NIGHT. EVERYONE NIGHT. [03:10:14] WE ARE GONNA GET STARTED IN A MOMENT. START THE RECORDING NOW. JUST A REMINDER TO PLEASE KEEP YOUR MICS MUTED UNTIL CALLS UPON TO SPEAK. THANK YOU. RECORDING IN PROGRESS. AND WE'RE NOW RECORDING CHAIRPERSON SIMON. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. AND WELCOME TO THE WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 3RD MEETING OF THE PLANNING BOARD. I ASKED THAT, UH, DEPUTY SMID CALLED THE ROLE. MY PLEASURE, CHAIRPERSON SIMON HERE. MR. SCHWARTZ IS JUST ENTERING NOW, SO WE'LL GIVE HIM A MOMENT. MR. DESAI. HERE. MR. GOLDEN. HERE. MR. HAY? HERE. MS. FRAY TAG? HERE. MR. SNAG. SNAGS. YEAH. MR. SCHWARTZ, HAVE YOU JOINED US YET? CAN YOU HEAR US? YES, I CAN. AND I AM HERE. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. UH, SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, UH, OUR ALTERNATE MEMBER, JONATHAN CAMPUZANO, WILL NOT BE WITH US THIS EVENING. TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU, CHAIRPERSON AND SIMON. OKAY. FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS THE MINUTES OF, UH, OF THE, OUR LAST MEETING THAT, UH, WOULD BE THE MINUTES OF OCTOBER. NO, I HAVE THE MINUTES HERE. THIS IS NOT OCTOBER 6TH. THAT IS NOT THE, OH, THAT IS NOT, UH, OKAY. CORRECT. THE MINUTES OF OCTOBER 20TH, THE MINUTES OF OCTOBER 20TH. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT GOT MIXED UP IN MY PAPERWORK. IT'S THE MINUTES OF OCTOBER 20TH, 20, UH, UH, 21. UH, I THINK I HAD, I HAD ONE COMMENT ON PAGE FIVE IN THE LAST PARAGRAPH. IT INDICATED THAT, UM, CHAIRMAN SIMON, UH, STATED THAT, UH, THEY HAD A CONVERSATION, UH, WITH THE, UH, THE BUILDING COMMISSIONER IN RELATIONSHIP TO BLOOM ENERGY. THAT IS INCORRECT. THE CONVERSATION I HAD WITH, UH, UH, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PLANNING BOARD, HAD TO DO WITH A, 'CAUSE I'M ON THE BOARD OF THE HIGH POINT CONDOMINIUM AND WE'RE DOING A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION AND REPAIR HERE ON SITE. AND THERE WAS A ISSUE OF THE APPROPRIATE SAFETY MEASURES THAT THE CONTRACTOR WAS USING WHILE THEY'RE DOING THE REPAIRS. AND MY CONVERSATION WITH HIM WAS IN, IN RELATIONSHIP TO MAKING SURE THAT THE CONTRACTORS WHO WERE DOING THE WORK WAS FOLLOWING ALL THE CODES OF THE TOWN. SO IT HAD NOTHING TO DO AT ALL WITH, UH, THE BLOOM ENERGY. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR AND THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT OF THE MINUTES. OKAY. WE WILL STRIKE THAT. UH, THAT'S THE ONLY POINT I HAD ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAVE, UH, TOM, MR. HAY, I, I HAD A COUPLE COMMENTS. ONE VERY SMALL ON PAGE TWO. THE FIRST FULL PARAGRAPH, JUST WORDING ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN. IT SAYS, HE STATED THAT THE PROCESS HAS BEEN RESTARTED AND DESIGNED SIMILAR. SIMILARLY WAY, I THINK IT SHOULD JUST BE DESIGNED IN A SIMILAR WAY. UM, THAT'S A SMALL ONE. I HAD A QUESTION ON PAGE FOUR. UNDER OLD BUSINESS PB 1933. THE FIRST PARAGRAPH INCLUDES A SENTENCE THAT SAYS, INVOLVING THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION OF ONE EXISTING LAW, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. AND THEN IN THE SECOND PARAGRAPH IT SAYS, FOLLOWING MR. SCHMIDT'S INTRODUCTION OF THE PROJECT, AND THEN REPEATS THAT ENTIRE SENTENCE AGAIN BEFORE GETTING TO MR. SCHWARTZ. OPINED THAT I THINK IT CAN BE LEFT OUT THE SECOND TIME. IT REALLY DOESN'T NEED TO BE REPEATED THERE. I THINK IT JUST GOT PICKED UP AND DROPPED IN. THAT'S IT, NOTHING ABOUT THE CONTENT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY CON, ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS ABOUT THE MINUTES? IF NOT, I, UH, MAKE A MOTION THAT THE MINUTES, UH, BE APPROVED AS CORRECTED. SO MOVED. OKAY. OR SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ANY, ANY OPPOSED? SO THE MINUTES OF OCTOBER 20TH [03:15:02] IS APPROVED AS CORRECTED. UM, JUST A LITTLE HOUSEKEEPING THINGS THAT, UH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE AT ON THE AGENDA. UH, THE FIRST THING IS, UH, UH, CASE P B 21, 10 23 SPRING AVENUE IS, UH, WAS REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA BECAUSE, UM, THE ZONING BOARD DID NOT, UH, ISSUE A DECISION ON THE VARIANCE. UH, THEREFORE WE CAN'T GO AHEAD, UH, UNTIL WE GET THAT DECISION FROM THE VARIANCE. SO THAT'S BEING REMOVED FROM, UH, THE AGENDA TONIGHT. THE OTHER ONE IS, AND AGAIN, AT THE PUBLIC HA HEARING, WE WILL MAKE, UH, MAKE THE OFFICIAL WITHDRAWAL. UH, BUT JUST TO GIVE, UH, PEOPLE, UH, A HEADS UP, SO THEY ARE NOT WAITING AROUND UNTIL WE GET TO THE PUBLIC HEARING SECTION OF THE MINUTES. AND THAT IS CASE PB 2024, THE BLOOM ENERGY. AND HERE AGAIN, WE ARE WAITING FOR A, A REPORT FROM THE C A C AND THAT REPORT IS, THE FINAL REPORT IS NOT READY. UH, THEY ISSUE A INTERIM OR DRAFT REPORT, WHICH I HAVE CIRCULATED AMONG THE, UM, UH, THE BOARD FOR YOUR INFORMATION. BUT WE, UH, I'M NOT PUTTING THAT BACK ON THE AGENDA UNTIL WE GET THE FINAL REPORT, BECAUSE THERE'S NO POINT IN US DEBATING INFORMATION THAT ISN'T FINAL. SO ONCE WE GET THE FINAL REPORT, WE'LL PUT THAT BACK ON THE AGENDA. I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE TIMING OF THE C A C WILL BE, WHETHER OR NOT WE'LL GET THE INFORMATION AND TIMING ENOUGH FOR OUR NOVEMBER 17TH MEETING, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO COME IN IN TIME FOR IT TO BE DISTRIBUTED WITH OUR PACKET. IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, THEN IT'LL BE PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR DECEMBER THE FIRST. OKAY. SO THAT, THOSE ARE THE CHANGES IN THE, UH, IN THE AGENDA. SO, UH, UH, THERE IS NO, UH, OTHER, UH, CORRESPONDENCE. DEBBIE SMITH, DO WE HAVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE THAT, THAT CAME IN THAT WE, WE NEED TO DISCUSS AT THIS POINT? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. NO. NOTHING UNRELATED TO RELATED ANOTHER PROJECT, SO. OKAY. ANYTHING THAT CAME IN ALL RELATES TO PROJECTS ON THE AGENDA. OKAY, GOOD. UH, UM, SO WE HAVE A SERIES OF THREE DECISIONS TO MAKE. THE FIRST ONE BEING PB 1926, THAT'S 30, UH, SIX, UH, UM, HILLCREST. AND THERE, IF WE, THERE ARE SOME SPECIFIC CONDITIONS IN THE, UH, PROPOSED APPROVAL. ONE IS 5.1, AND THIS REFERS TO THE WIDENING OF, OF THE ROAD, UH, THAT IS INTO ODDSLY. UH, THAT, THAT IS A CONDITION. AND ANOTHER CONDITION WAS THAT, UH, AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY, THEY HAD TO PUT A, A, A CATCH, UH, BASIN THERE THAT WOULD FEED INTO THE CALTECH. SO THOSE ARE THE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS OF THIS, UH, UH, PROPOSED APPROVAL. UH, ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS ON, ON, UH, ON THIS? NOT, I JUST WANTED TO CHAIRPERSON SIMON MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE CONDITIONS, YOU CAN EXPECT, UH, PLANS SUB, SO THIS WILL BE, UH, THIS IS ON FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AND THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT IF APPROVED THIS EVENING. CLEARLY THOSE TWO CONDITIONS, UH, WARRANT A REVISED SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENT PLAN. THESE CONDITIONS WILL NOT CHANGE THE PLATT. SO WHEN THIS APPLICANT COMES BACK FOR FINAL SUBDIVISION, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING THE PLAT HASN'T CHANGED DUE TO SOMETHING TO DO WITH WESTCHESTER COUNTY, I'LL INDICATE THAT. BUT I WILL BRING UP, UH, THE POINT THAT THE SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENT PLANS HAVE BEEN REVISED TO DETAIL THE ROADWAY, UH, EXPANSION AND TO INCLUDE THE ADDITIONAL, UM, THE, THE DRAIN ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY AS CONDITIONED IN THE PRELIMINARY. SO I JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO BE AWARE OF THAT. WE WILL REQUEST THOSE REVISIONS BEFORE THEY COME BACK FOR FINAL. OKAY. TO, I THINK, MR, [03:20:01] I JUST WANTED TO ADD WALTER TO, UM, WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT THE CONDITIONS. THERE'S ALSO ON PAGE NINE, THE TRAFFIC CONDITIONS THAT ARE UNIQUE. OH, YES. YOU'RE RIGHT. RIGHT, RIGHT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO THROUGH THOSE OR YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH? GO AHEAD. YOU, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR THEN. IT, IT IS A VERY NARROW AND VERY, UM, SHORT DEAD END STREET. AND ANYONE WHO LIVES THERE, I'M SURE WANTS TO KNOW THAT THE TRAFFIC, UH, INVOLVED WITH DEVELOPING THIS APPLICATION IS GONNA BE ADDRESSED. SO THERE'S TWO SPECIFIC PARAGRAPHS. STATE FIRST, DUE TO THE NARROW CHARACTER OF THE STREET SURROUNDING THE SUBJECT SITE, PARKING FOR TRADESPEOPLE AND CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES AND DELIVERY OF MATERIALS TO THE SITE AND STORAGE OF SUCH MATERIALS PRIOR TO AND DURING CONSTRUCTION MUST BE PROVIDED FOR ONSITE OR APPROPRIATE OFFSITE LOCATIONS. SO THAT CLEAR ACCESS IS PROVIDED TO GENERAL VEHICULAR CIRCULATION AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF CONSTRUCTION RELATED ACTIVITIES. AND THEN SECOND, ANY CONTRACTOR HIRED TO PERFORM WORK ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY MUST SUPPLY FLAG PERSONS TO CONTROL THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC AND MAINTAIN SAFETY ALONG SPRINGWOOD AVENUE AND OR HILLCREST AVENUE IN THE VICINITY OF THE PROJECT SITE. WHEN THERE IS BLOCKAGE OF A PORTION OF SPRINGWOOD OR HILLCREST FOR ANY PERIOD IN EXCESS OF ONE MINUTE, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY, YEAH. AND, AND THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT POINTS FOR, I THINK MOST OF THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS HAVE BEEN IN AT THAT SITE. IT'S A VERY NARROW, UH, STREET AND FOR CONSTRUCTION, DEFINITELY. I I THINK THAT, UH, UH, PARAGRAPH 12 ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED THAT, UH, THAT VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS, UH, BEFORE WE TAKE, UH, A VOTE? YEAH, JUST, JUST ONE FOR ME. THE WIDENING OF THE STREET THAT HAPPENS ON THE LEY SIDE, UM, IS THERE A SEPARATE APPLICATION THAT'S NECESSARY FOR THAT, OR IS THAT INCLUDED WITH THE OWNERSHIP FOR THE LOTS AND THE SUBDIVISION? HOW DOES THAT WORK? WELL, IT IT THAT WITH ODDS, AM I CORRECT, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH S SO THAT, GO AHEAD. THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT HERE FOR TIME. AND SO THE APPLICANT HAS ALREADY HAD PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE VILLAGE. THE VILLAGE HAS BEEN RECEPTIVE TO THE WIDENING SUBJECT TO THE APPLICANT SECURING ALL NECESSARY PERMITS THROUGH THE VILLAGE. SO THEY'LL BE ON TRACK FOR THAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF BY CHANCE, AS LEE SAID, NO, WHERE WOULD THAT LEAD THE APPLICATION ALTOGETHER, IF ALL OF THIS IS CONTINGENT UPON THAT HAPPENING AS WELL, IS THERE LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT POINTS THAT IT WOULD'VE TO COME, WOULD'VE TO COME BACK FOR REVISION? BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE APPROVAL? YEAH. OKAY. SO IT DOES STATE THAT, THAT THEY MUST APPLY TO THE VILLAGE OF OURS, UH, TO FURTHER WIDEN THE ROADWAY. SO IF THEY DON'T APPLY, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK. IF THEY APPLY AND ARE DENIED, THEY'D HAVE TO NOTIFY US. AND THEN THE PLANNING BOARD COULD EITHER MAKE A DIFFERENT CONDITION OR DISCUSS IT FURTHER AS PART OF FINAL. OKAY. JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT, WHAT JO JOHANN SAID. YES. SO THIS, UH, PENDING APPROVAL, SAY IT SAYS THAT THEY MUST APPLY, THAT'S CLEAR. BUT GOING BACK TO WHAT JOHAN SAID, SUPPOSE ODDLY SAID, UH, UH, DENIES THAT, DOES THIS APPLICATION STATES THAT THEY MUST COME BACK TO US. I DON'T THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT THEY MUST COME BACK. THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK TO US ANYWAY BECAUSE IT'S FOR A FINAL SUBDIVISION. SO I I HAVE A, THEY WOULD COME BACK WHEN THEY COME BACK TO US. I DON'T WANNA SPECULATE AS TO SOMETHING THAT MAY NEVER HAPPEN. IT'S, UH, WHEN THEY COME BACK TO US, THE PLANNING BOARD AT THAT POINT, UH, CAN EVALUATE IT IF THAT SITUATION OCCURS. BUT I DON'T WANNA SPECULATE RIGHT NOW ON THAT. OKAY. BUT, SO AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE, THE RIGHT AN AUTHORITY AT THAT POINT TO DENY THE FINE, IF THAT IS THE DECISION OF THE PLAN TO, TO DENY FINAL APPROVAL, IF THEY CANNOT WIDEN THAT FREE, THAT'S AN OPTION. WHETHER WHAT I SUGGEST, CAN I SUGGEST LANGUAGE? YES. WHY DON'T WE SAY, MUST APPLY AND RECEIVE APPROVAL PRIOR TO, UH, GRANTING OF THE FINAL SUBDIVISION OR COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR RECONSIDERATION? YEAH. I THINK DAVE, YEAH, I, THAT COVERS ALL BASES AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. YEAH. YEAH. IF THAT'S THE BOARD'S WISH, UH, YES. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK THAT CLARIFI I THINK THAT IT'S CLEAR. THAT MAKES IT CLEAR. OKAY. OKAY. UH, WITH THOSE REVISIONS [03:25:01] INDICATED, THE ONE THAT, UH, UH, WAS RAISED BY JOHANN AND AMPLIFIED BY, UH, VICE CHAIR, UH, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, APPROVE, UH, THIS, UH, PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION. UH, DO I HAVE A SECOND TO THAT Q SECOND? YEAH. HUG. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO, UNLESS ODDLY APPROVES THEM WIDENING THE ROAD, YOU DON'T WANNA GIVE THEM APPROVAL TO NO, I SAID THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO COME BACK, HAVE TO COME BACK TO US FOR RECONSIDERATION. THAT'S ALL. THAT'S ALL. OKAY. THEY DON'T SAY, WE DON'T SAY IT'S NOT. CAN YOU JUST, CAN YOU JUST READ IT ONE MORE TIME SO I HAVE IT CORRECTLY FOR TOMORROW, WHAT I SAID, AND, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE MOTO, LISTEN TO ME CAREFULLY. OKAY. IT'S STILL CONFUSING. FIX IT. OKAY. OKAY. BECAUSE WHAT I SAID WAS, MUST RECEIVE APPROVAL FROM THE, FROM THE VILLAGE OF ARDSLEY PRIOR TO APPROVAL OF THE FINAL SUBDIVISION, OR COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR RECONSIDERATION. I'M NOT CLEAR. OKAY. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, . SO EITHER HAVE TO COME BACK TO RECONSIDERATION OR THEY GET APPROVAL, ONE OR THE OTHER. IF THERE'S A BETTER, IF, IF YOU HAVE BETTER LANGUAGE, DAVE, I'M, I'M ALL FOR IT. YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT? THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S FINE. I THINK IT, I THINK THAT WORKS. OKAY. OKAY. ETTE HAD A QUESTION? YES. NOW, JUST WANTED TO SAY, WHY CAN'T YOU JUST SAY SIMPLIFY TO SAY THEY HAVE TO COME BACK FOR, UH, WHATEVER UPDATE TO THE PLOT BEFORE THEY GET A FINAL SUBDIVISION? RIGHT. IT'S NOT GONNA COME BEFORE FINAL SUBDIVISION. UH, IF IT'S APPROVED BY LEY, IT'S NOT GONNA COME BEFORE US BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PRESU UH, SUBDIVISION IS TWO STEP PROCESS. SO IT WON'T BE PROCESSED BY AARON. UM, IF THAT'S, THAT'S THE CASE. UH, IF THEY DON'T, THEN, UH, MR. SCHWARTZ LANGUAGE, I BELIEVE COVERS THAT. I THINK IT'S SUFFICIENT. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTION BEFORE WE TAKE, UH, UH, FIRST OF ALL, DID ANYONE SECOND MY MOTION? I SECOND. SECOND? YES. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTION BEFORE I CALL THE VOTE? IF NOT, IT IS, UH, UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR IN, UH, A PROVEN, UH, PB 1916 AS AMENDED? YES. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED OR NONE? OKAY. SO WE GOT THAT STILL, AARON, CORRECT? YEAH. ALSO, WE ALSO HAVE TO VOTE ON MOTION STEEP SLOPE. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE STEEP SLOPE AS AMENDED. 'CAUSE IT'S THE SAME, SAME THING AS AMENDED. DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, THE NEXT ONE IS UH, FOUR B. UM, FOUR B IS A, UH, PENDING APPROVAL WITHOUT ANY SPECIAL, UH, CONDITION IS STRAIGHTFORWARD. A, UH, UH, UH, PROPOSED, UM, APPROVAL IS ANY DISCUSSION ON, UH, THIS IS PB 21 DASH 11, UH, GOLIA? YEAH. OKAY. IS ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS, UH, PROPOSED, UH, APPROVAL? YES. YES. CHAIRPERSON SIMON. SO, AS YOU MENTIONED, UM, SO THIS IS P CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 11 BROER MM-HMM. SIX CHAUNCEY CIRCLE, P O LEY, THE APPLICANT SEEKING A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPROVAL, UH, IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT THAT'S BEEN REVIEWED. AND WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS, UH, WITH RESPECT TO SITE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS AND MODIFICATIONS WE DID ADD IN FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING. I JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH THOSE, AND I APOLOGIZE THEY WEREN'T HIGHLIGHTED SO THAT THEY WEREN'T, UM, CORRECTLY BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION. BUT WE DID JUST ADD IN, UH, CONDITION 5.1 THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL CAUSE TO HAVE THE EXISTING ONSITE DRAINAGE SYSTEM INSTALLED IN CONNECTION WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY, INSPECTED TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT IS FUNCTIONING AS INTENDED, AND SUBMIT THOSE RESULTS TO THE TOWN ENGINEER. SO I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER ON THAT. UH, IN FACT, HE ALREADY DID TAKE A LOOK AT IT, BUT HE'LL SUBMIT THE RESULTS TO THE, UH, THE TOWN ENGINEER. AND THEN 5.2, WE JUST WANTED TO INCLUDE IT AS A CONDITION. IT IS SHOWN ON THE PLAN, BUT THAT THE APPLICANT WILL INSTALL LANDSCAPING AS PROVIDED FOR [03:30:01] ON THE PLAN AROUND THE RIP WRAP, UH, STONE RIP WRAP LEVEL SPREADER, WE WANTED TO INCLUDE THE CONDITION AS WELL. UM, PARTICULARLY WE DO THIS FOR POOLS A LOT OF THE TIME, BUT PARTICULARLY THE COMMENTS OF THE NEIGHBOR DOWN SLOPE, WE WANTED TO ENSURE THAT THE POOL WATER IS CARTED OFF SITE AND NOT DRAINED DOWN THE SLOPE, UM, TOWARDS THE NEIGHBOR OR ANYWHERE ELSE THAT, UH, WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE. SO WE'VE INCLUDED THAT. AND THEN, UH, DAVID FRIED SUGGESTED, AND I THINK IT WAS A GREAT SUGGESTION THAT WE ADD IN 5.4, WHICH, UH, JUST INDICATES THAT THE APPLICANT MUST COMPLY WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE WITH RESPECT TO, UH, SUPPLEMENTARY USE OF SWIMMING POOLS. SO WE ADDED THOSE IN. I DID WANT TO NOTE THAT MR. HILDENBRAND WAS ON THIS EVENING, UM, IN RESPONSE TO COMMENTS THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING DID PROVIDE A MEMO DATED OCTOBER 29TH, JUST INDICATING THAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO, UM, SHOW THAT THERE WILL BE A DECREASE, UM, WITH RESPECT TO RUNOFF IN THE 50 YEAR STORM EVENT. SO, WHILE THE CODE INDICATES YOU MUST DESIGN FOR A 25 YEAR, THE BOARD HAD ASKED IF THERE WAS ANY OPPORTUNITY, UH, GIVEN THE TESTIMONY BY THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT RUNOFF FROM, FROM THAT MOST RECENT EVENT. IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT COULD BE DONE TO ENHANCE THE SYSTEM, OR AT LEAST, UM, SHOW THAT IT, IT, IT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO HANDLE SOMETHING GREATER THAN A 25 YEAR STORM. AND MR. HILDENBRAND WAS ABLE TO DO THAT. SO, AND WE APPLAUD HIS EFFORTS THERE. HOW OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENT ON THAT COMMENT, UH, THEY HAVE NOT, BUT WHAT I CAN DO IS PART OF THE STONE WATER MANAGEMENT CONTROL PERMIT, THAT'S AN OBLIGATION OF THE APPLICANT TO OBTAIN PRIOR TO EVEN FILING FOR A BUILDING PERMIT. I CAN, UH, TAKE IT UPON MYSELF TO ENSURE THAT, THAT THE CALCULATIONS PROVIDED BY MR. HILDENBRAND ARE ACCURATE. OKAY? SO I WILL DO THAT. OKAY. UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS APPLICATION? OKAY, IF NOT, I PROPOSE THAT WE, UH, UH, APPROVE THIS. UH, HERE'S, UH, SECRA, MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE, SECRA FIRST? UH, YEAH. SO THIS WOULD QUALIFY AS A TYPE TWO ACTION CHAIRPERSON. SIMON. I'LL MOVE THAT. I'LL MOVE THAT. THIS, UH, 2111 IS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? NONE. SO THIS IS CLASSIFIED AS A TYPE TWO ACTION ON ZIKA. UH, NO, DAVID, THAT MICHAEL, MICHAEL DIDN'T VOTE ON THAT. OH, HE'S, IT'S ALL RIGHT. HE'S NOT, HE'S NOT, HE'S NOT AT HIS DESK. HE'S THERE. HERE HE IS. MICHAEL, WE JUST VOTED ON WHETHER THIS IS A TYPE TWO ACTION OR NOT. DO YOU WANNA VOTE? THIS IS ON MICHAEL PBB, 21 DASH 11 21 11. MICHAEL? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL YOU VOTES. YES. THANK YOU. SO, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL CLASSIFY THIS AS A TYPE TWO ACTION. OKAY. UM, NOW WE STILL HAVE TO TAKE ANOTHER VOTE ON, UH, THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT ITSELF. UH, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? HAVE A MOTION. SO MOVED. THAT WAS CORRECT. YEAH. CORRECT. TOM. AND THEN, CORRECT. OKAY. SO ALL IN FAVOR OF, UH, THEN NOW, UH, UH, NOW THAT WE HAVE DONE SEEKER, AND, UH, SO WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON, UH, UH, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. A OPPOSED? AYE, TOM, WAS THAT AYE. AYE. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. AND NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. NO. OKAY. UH, THE NEXT IS A, UH, THE, UH, THE FOUNTAIN HEAD APARTMENT. UM, DO WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE FROM THE FOUNTAIN HEAD TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? UH, WE DO NOT CHAIR BURS AND SIMON. OKAY. I CAN, I CAN SPEAK TO IT, UH, BASED ON INFORMATION AND CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH, UM, THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER. UM, OKAY. AS WELL AS, AS WELL AS SOME INFORMATION WE RECEIVED FROM, FROM THE NEIGHBOR AT 26 PENNY. SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO FIRST ANNOUNCE, [03:35:01] AND THERE WAS AN EMAIL THAT WAS SENT AROUND, UH, EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON. SHE CAME IN FROM MR. CARELLI REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, THE FOUNTAIN HEAD APARTMENTS. UM, THERE WAS A BRIEF LETTER INDICATING THAT THERE HAD, AT THE REQUEST OF THE PLANNING BOARD COMING OUT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE NEIGHBOR AT 26 PENNY LANE REGARDING THE FENCE. UM, SO THAT HOPEFULLY THEY WOULD COME TO A, A MUTUALLY AGREEABLE, YOU KNOW, COMPROMISE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE FENCE MATERIAL WOULD BE. UH, I WAS TOLD THAT AN ATTEMPT TO COMMUNICATE WAS MADE, THAT THERE WAS SOME COMMUNICATION, BUT THAT THE PARTIES WERE UNABLE TO AGREE ON THE TYPE OF FENCE. MR. KELLI'S LETTER GOES ON TO INDICATE THAT THE APPLICANT FOUNTAINHEAD APARTMENT IS AGREEABLE TO INSTALLING, UH, THE CHAIN LINK FENCE, WHICH IS THEY'VE ALREADY, UH, REBUILT IN THAT AREA, AND THEN INCLUDING, UM, WHITE VINYL TO, FOR SCREENING PURPOSES. SO THAT WAS SUBMITTED. THERE WAS A PHOTOGRAPH. I DON'T THINK IT WAS A GREAT PHOTOGRAPH. I TRIED TO ENHANCE IT SO THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SEE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. UM, WHAT I DID ASK FOR AND RECEIVED WAS ACTUALLY THE CUT SHEET FOR THE FENCE MATERIAL. AND I'M GONNA LOOK TO BRING THAT UP MOMENTARILY. PLEASE DO SO. YOU CAN SEE IT ADDITIONALLY. UM, AND I, I WILL DO THAT, UH, MOMENTARILY. ADDITIONALLY, THE, UM, THE NEIGHBOR AND, AND, AND I NOTED TO THE NEIGHBOR THAT, UM, THE, THE, THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD HAS CLOSED. BUT AN EMAIL CAME IN AFTER I HAD LEFT THE OFFICE THIS AFTERNOON INDICATING THAT, UM, THEY HAD NOT REACHED AN AGREEMENT THAT THEY WERE DISSATISFIED WITH THE APPLICANT'S, UM, APPLICANT'S COMMUNICATION ON THIS. AND THEY WERE HOPING THE BOARD WOULD RULE IN THEIR FAVOR. UM, AND I KNOW THAT THE NEIGHBOR WAS IN TOUCH WITH MR. DESAI DIRECTLY, SO I DON'T KNOW IF MR. DESAI HAS ANYTHING TO ADD ON THAT, BUT I WILL RETRIEVE THE DIRECT EMAIL FROM THE NEIGHBOR AS WELL AS THE CUT SHEET FROM, UH, THE FOUNTAIN HEAD APARTMENT. SO JUST GIMME A MOMENT ON THAT. OKAY? OKAY. CORRECT. MR. DESAI, DID YOU HAVE, WAS THERE ANYTHING I MISSED THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD? NO, I, I THINK HE JUST, UH, UH, REACH OUT TO ME AND HE SAYS, UH, WHAT THE, UH, WHEN YOU SAID HE, HE MEANING WHO? UH, THE NAME, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. OKAY. ONE SIX LANE. UH, OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. AND THAT THEY HAVE A, UH, HE FELT VERY, UH, HE WAS UPSET THAT THEY, UH, THE FA THE APPLICANTS WAS NOT, UH, COOPERATING AND, UH, DISCUSSING IT. HE JUST SAYS, THIS IS WHAT YOU GOT, AND, UH, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, TOUGH LUCK. SO, UH, WHAT DID HE, A LITTLE UPSET ABOUT IT. SO I, I FOLLOWED IT TO AARON, UH, AND COMMUNICATED. UH, DID HE TELL, DID THE NEIGHBOR TELL YOU WHAT HE, HE THOUGHT HE'D BE SATISFIED WITH? I THINK, UH, HE SENT IT SOME PHOTOGRAPH TO AARON. HE DID. SO I'M ABOUT TO SHOW THOSE. I'LL SHOW FROM WHO? THE, WHO, WHAT ARE WE SEEING? IS THAT THE NEIGHBOR'S PHOTOGRAPH OF WHAT, WHAT, WHAT HE'D LIKE TO SEE? I'M GONNA FIRST SHOW THE NEIGHBORS AND THEN I WILL SHOW THE CUT SHEET FROM THE APPLICANT. OKAY. OKAY. BEAR WITH ME FOR A MOMENT. YEP. BEAR WITH ME JUST FOR A MOMENT. EXCUSE ME, GUYS. NOW ONE, I THINK IN, IN GENERAL. OKAY. IN GENERAL, I'LL HOLD MY COMMENT TO AFTER. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. I THINK HE WANTED A SOLID VINYL FENCE. FENCE. I THINK, UH, HE, HE, HE DID. SO I, IT'S JUST LOADING NOW AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE DELAY. OKAY. SO HERE WE GO. OKAY, GO AHEAD. LET ME SHARE THE SCREEN. IT'S LOADING. UM, THIS IS THE EMAIL. IT, IT'S LOADING NOW. IT'S GONNA BE SIDEWAYS. I APOLOGIZE. THAT'S THE WAY IT CAME IN. HE HAS, HE IS INDICATED THAT HE HAS, UH, SO IT SAYS, HELLO, MR. SCHMIDT. ATTACHED PLEASE FIND A PHOTO OF WHITE VINYL, NO, SEE THROUGH FENCE, LIKE WHAT I HAVE ON ONE SIDE OF MY HOUSE. SO APPRECIATE THE TOWN PLANNING BOARD TO TELL FOUNTAINHEAD COMPLEX TO INSTALL THE SAME. [03:40:01] ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO GET IN THE MEETING, SO PLEASE SEND ME THE LINK. SO I DID WRITE BACK, UM, THE NEIGHBOR THAT, UM, THAT I WILL WOULD SHOW THIS TO THE PLANNING BOARD. AND FOR ITS CONSIDERATION, I DID INDICATE THAT IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, UM, THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED. I DID ALSO INDICATE THAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD ALSO CLOSED. SO IT WOULD BE COMPLETELY UP TO THE BOARD WHETHER IT WISHES TO ADMIT THIS INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD THAT I WOULD CERTAINLY BRING UP. AARON, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO THIS IS, THAT'S LISTED PLASTIC THAT, THAT ONE LET THIS, THIS, ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT'S EMAIL IS A WHITE VINYL FENCE THAT RUNS ALONG IT'S SIDE, ONE OF ITS SIDE PROPERTY LINE. IT APPEARS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO THE FENCING WE'VE SEEN, UH, FROM THE PHOTOGRAPHS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT ALONG THE REAR YARD OF OTHER NEIGHBORS, WHICH I CAN BRING UP THOSE PHOTOS NOW ON. I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT BEFORE YOU NO, NO. LEAVE THIS UP FOR A SECOND. THE THING TO ME IS, THE ONES THAT WRONG, THERE'S OTHER PROPERTIES ARE PURE WHITE. THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S WORN OUT. IS THAT JUST A PHOTOGRAPH? WOR IT'S A WEATHER. WAIT, HOLD ON. IS IT'S NOT WORN OUT. IT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED. POWER WASH. THAT'S ALL DIGITAL POWER, POWER WALK. THAT'S ALL MOLD JUST NEED TO BE. WELL, AND THAT, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IN THAT AREA THAT IT DOES NOT GET A LOT OF SUN. 'CAUSE YOU SEE, EVEN THE GROUND THERE, YOU DON'T SEE A LAWN. IT DOESN'T GET A LOT OF SUN. SO YOU WILL GET, UH, UM, MOLD AND, AND THAT WILL DEFINITELY DIMINISH THE LIFESPAN OF A WOODEN FENCE. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE APPLICANT WANT TO GET RID OF A WOODEN FENCE. THIS IS THE FENCE THAT EXISTS ALONG THE APPLICANT'S. ONE OF THE, I UNDERSTAND THAT WALTER, THE REASON I, THE REASON I SUGGESTED IT, HE'S WORRIED ABOUT A AESTHETICS, BUT HIS SIDE YARD FENCE IS FULL OF MOLD. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. YEAH. OUT, OUT, OUT. OKAY. THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL I SAYING. I WAS, I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA RAISE THE SAME CONCERN. IF APPEARANCE IS HIS MAIN REASON FOR GETTING THE FENCE RIGHT, AND THE ONE THAT HE HAS ISN'T BEING, UH, TAKEN CARE OF, THEN TO ME A COMPROMISE WOULD BE TO SPLIT THE COST WITH THE, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE PROPERTY. OKAY. TO GET WHAT HE WANTS. THAT'S FAIR. OTHERWISE, ANY FENCE SHOULD BE APPROPRIATE. WELL, SO I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP THE, UH, WHY DON'T YOU, YEAH. LET AARON BRING, OKAY. DO YOU BRING UP THE, BECAUSE ADMITTEDLY THE PHOTO, THE PHOTO THAT CAME THROUGH FROM THE APPLICANT, I, I THOUGHT WAS A POOR QUALITY PHOTO. I THINK MR. FREE MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING. UM, BUT LET ME, SO YEAH, SO CAN EVERYONE SEE IT? YES. AS YOU'RE, AS YOU'RE PUTTING THAT UP, AS, AS YOU'RE PUTTING THAT UP, LET ME JUST, UH, REMIND, UH, THE BOARD BOTH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE NEIGHBOR AND ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, GETTING IT NOW FROM FOUNTAINHEAD BOTH CAME A LITTLE BIT LATE AFTER THE RECORD. UM, YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I, I PREFER IF THE BOARD NOT HAVE A SORT OF A DEBATE AT THIS TIME AS TO, UH, EITHER ONE. IF THE BOARD HAS, IF THERE IS A FAVOR OF THE BOARD, UH, BETWEEN THE TWO OPTIONS, UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE BOARD CHOOSE THAT, AND THEN WE CAN ADD THAT, UH, UH, OR MAKE THIS, UM, MODIFICATION TO THE SITE PLAN, UH, THAT WAS PRESENTED. IF THERE IS NO AGREEMENT, THEN I WOULD SAY WE WOULD MOVE ON AND EITHER, UH, HA TA TABLE THIS FOR ANOTHER NIGHT. IF, IF WE CAN'T REACH AN AGREEMENT ON A PARTICULAR, UH, FENCE, UM, THE, THE, UH, MR. SNAGS MADE AN, UH, VERY INTERESTING POINT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THEY AGREE, I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE THE DECISION TONIGHT. IF THE PARTIES COME BACK AND, YOU KNOW, IN RETROSPECT THEY'RE IN AGREEMENT, THEY CAN ALWAYS COME BACK TO US. UH, AND WE CAN MODIFY THIS THAT MUCH FURTHER. DAVE, THANK, THANK YOU FOR THE ADVICE. THE ONE THING I DO WANNA SAY IS WE ACTUALLY REQUESTED THIS INFORMA, ACTUALLY MICHAEL DID, DID AT THE LAST MEETING, SAID, MEET, MEET. AND HOW COULD WE POSSIBLY MAKE THE DECISION IF THERE IS A DISAGREEMENT WITHOUT ACTUALLY V VIEWING THIS? SO, I, I THINK VIEWING THESE ARE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO ACTUALLY, AND HELPING US MAKE THE DECISION. I DON'T THINK, AND IT WAS, IT WAS INFORMATION THAT WE ACTUALLY REQUESTED FOR THIS MEETING AS A BOARD. NO, I, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR. I AGREE. I, I, I, I THINK YOU MISUNDERSTOOD. I I'M NOT SAYING IT SHOULDN'T. WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT CAME FROM BOTH PARTIES LATE. UM, BUT IT CAME, UH, ULTIMATELY THAT'S ALL. [03:45:01] OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. IN, IN, IN TERMS OF MOVING FORWARD, I SEE, UH, UH, WHETHER NO, I SEE THREE DIFFERENT, I SEE MAYBE, WELL, TWO OPTIONS, MAYBE THREE. ONE OF THE OPTIONS IS THAT, UH, WE ACCEPT, UH, UH, UM, THAT, UH, THE WIRE FENCING AROUND WITH THE PROVISION AT THAT SECTION OF THE WIRE FENCING WOULD BE WHITE WITH THE WHITE SLOTS. THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE DECISIONS WE COULD MAKE. UH, WE COULD, UH, MAKE THE DECISION THAT IT MUST BE, UH, UH, UH, THE WIRE FENCE, UH, MUST BE THE WHITE VINYL FENCE SIMILAR TO WHAT THE NEIGHBOR HAS ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. THAT COULD BE IT. UH, AND, UH, AND, UH, AND THE OTHER ONE, IT COULD, UH, BE THAT, BUT THE APPLICANT AND THE NEIGHBORS SPLIT THE COURSE OF THAT, UH, WHITE FINAL FENCE. THAT'S, THOSE ARE THREE OPTIONS. I SEE. IF SOMEONE ELSE HAVE A DIFFERENT OPTION, THEN LET'S PUT THAT IN THE, ON THE TABLE. OKAY. AND JUST, UH, YES. CAN I SPEAK? OKAY. I THINK WALTER SPEAK. GO AHEAD. MIKE, CAN I SPEAK OR, WELL, MICHAEL, YOU I'LL RIGHT, RIGHT. LET MICHAEL FINISH IN THE CURRICULUM NEXT. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT'S REGRETTABLE THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS TO BE IN A POSITION OF DECIDING WHAT A FENCE SHOULD LOOK LIKE BETWEEN TWO NEIGHBORS. ALRIGHT. UM, THIS IS REALLY NOT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE TO DO, BUT I GUESS WE'RE FORCED, UH, INTO THIS POSITION. UM, LOOK, FENCE IS NEEDED THERE FOR TWO REASONS. I MEAN, ORIGINALLY, APPARENTLY IT WAS TO KEEP OUT CONSTRUCTION NOISE, BUT IT'S ALSO NEEDED FOR SAFETY BECAUSE FOUNTAIN HAD BUILT A, YOU KNOW, 15 TO 24 RETAINING WALL BEHIND THESE HOUSES. AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN, IT WOULD BE THEIR OBLIGATION TO PUT UP A FENCE TO PROTECT KIDS FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES TO THE WEST FROM FALLING OVER THEIR RETAINING WALL. UM, THE, THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT FOUNTAIN HAD SENT OF THAT VINYL THING, PERSONALLY, YOU COULD BARELY SEE WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE, AND IT WAS JUST UGLY. UM, AARON DID HIS BEST TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT, MAKE IT LOOK BETTER, BUT, UH, EVEN THE BEST OF US CAN'T, UH, YOU KNOW, CAN'T DO THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, LOOK, MOST OF THE FENCING BACK THERE IS THIS WHITE VINYL FENCE ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF FOUNTAINHEAD. ALL THE NEIGHBORS PUT IT UP. I THINK WE SHOULD JUST SAY, LOOK, FOUNTAINHEAD PUT UP A WHITE VINYL FENCE AT YOUR OWN EXPENSE, OR WE'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE THE ORIGINAL, YOU KNOW, REQUIREMENTS. PUT UP A WOODEN FAST. UM, AND LET'S GET THIS OVER WITH, OKAY. AND THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S ONE. WHO ELSE? UH, ANOTHER, UH, WAS NEXT STICK. WALTER THAT ME PLEASE. CRAIG FIRST? YEAH. WAIT A MINUTE. CORRECT. CUT. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK ABOUT THE, I AGREE WITH MICHAEL. IT SAYS WE, UH, WE HAD LAST PUBLIC HEARING CONCLUDED WITH, UH, FOUND THE, THE APPLICANT TO TALK TO THE NEIGHBOR AND RESOLVE SATISFACTORY TO BOTH OF THEIR, UH, TO, TO THE NEIGHBOR'S. UH, CONCERN. AND CONSIDERING THE COST OF THE WOODEN FENCE AND WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER AT 26 PENNY LANE IS SIGNIFICANTLY REASONABLE. AND THE, THE SECOND POINT IS, UH, THAT, OR THIRD POINT IS THAT THE, THE PLASTIC INSERT INTO THE CHAINLINK FENCE IS, IT LOOKS, IT IS, IT LOOKS AFTER, UH, AFTER A FEW YEARS. IT'S A PHRASE AND IT LOOKS TERRIBLE. AND, OKAY. AND, AND UNLESS THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE SLEDS EVERY, EVERY OTHER EAR THAT, THAT, IT WILL MAKE IT A, UH, SAME AS WHAT IS A PHOTOGRAPHS OKAY. THAT AARON HAS SHOWN. SO I THINK, UH, IT'S A REASONABLE TO SAY, PUT A, PUT A VINYL FENCE THAT IS AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND JUST SCHEDULE, MOVE ON. OKAY. THE, UH, HUGH? YEAH, I, I, I'M, I THINK WE SHOULD END THIS RIGHT NOW. I AGREE WITH BOTH WALTER AND MICHAEL. AND THE OTHER THING, JUST ONE OTHER THING. IF YOU READ THE LETTER FROM THE NEIGHBOR, THE NE ONE OF THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS WAS THAT IT WAS C, THAT IT'D BE C YES. THAT THE FENCE MAY BE SEE-THROUGH THE SLAT FENCE IS SEE-THROUGH DULY TO SOME EXTENT ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE. THEREFORE, I THINK I'D LIKE TO MOVE RIGHT NOW THAT WE REQUIRE FOUNTAIN HEAD TO PUT UP A VINYL FENCE BEHIND [03:50:01] 26 PENNY LANE, PLEASE. OKAY. UH, AND, AND, AND THERE WAS ANOTHER, A THIRD OPTION WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THE, UH, OKAY, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S GET THIS, LET ME FOUND, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. MINUTE I SECOND THE MOTION. MAY, WHAT? CAN I MAKE ONE SUGGESTION? ONE SUGGESTION TO THE MOTION? YES. MY SUGGESTION IS THEY SOUGHT RELIEF FROM THE WOODEN FENCE. YES. UH, ALTERNATIVELY, THEY COULD JUST NOT DO ANYTHING AND JUST REPLACE IT WITH A WOODEN FENCE. UH, SO I AM SUGGESTING, BUT YOU HAVE YOUR MOTION. THE SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT THEY EITHER REPLACE IT WITH, FOR THE WOODEN FENCE, IF THEY, UH, WITH A WOODEN FENCE, IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO, THEN THEY, THEY CHOOSE THE VINYL FENCE MARCH 20TH, UH, THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO DAVID. I, I THINK WE HAVE TO DO IT THAT WAY. OKAY. UM, SO MICHAEL, YOU'RE AMENDING YOUR MOTION. I'LL AMEND IT, I'LL AMEND IT'S LANGUAGE. BASICALLY IT SAYS, PUT UP A VINYL FENCE, AND IF YOU DON'T PUT UP THE VINYL FENCE, WE'RE GONNA REVERT TO THE ORIGINAL REQUIREMENT OF A WOODEN FENCE. SO YOU HAVE TO PUT UP ONE OR THE OTHER. A VINYL FENCE. WOODEN FENCE. OKAY. BUT IT'S ONLY ORIGINAL. MICHAEL, I JUST WANNA BE, WE JUST GOTTA CLARIFY ONE THING. OKAY. IT'S ONLY BEHIND 26 PENNY LANE. WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE THE WOODEN FENCE. OKAY. I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR. OKAY. YEAH. VIALS. OKAY. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. VINYL, WOODEN. YES. VINYL. WOODEN. YES. AARON, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION. THE WOODEN FENCE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT WITH SIX FEET, UM, IS THAT THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE VINYL FENCE? I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE. I THINK WHY IT BE DIFFERENT? WHAT, WHAT ARE THE OTHER FENCES AROUND THERE? THEY'RE ABOUT SIX. YEAH, THEY'RE SIX FEET. IT'S NOT THE STANDARD HEIGHT FOR THESE VINYL FENCE. PRETTY MUCH SIX FEET. YEAH, I SOME OF THOSE TALLER, I WOULD RECOMMEND THE SAME SI THE SAME HEIGHT. THE SAME HEIGHT. I WOULD AS WELL, YEAH. YOU 10. OKAY. SO I'M AMENDING MY MOTION TO USE DAVID'S LANGUAGE FOR BEHIND 26 PENNY LANE. THEY, THEY CAN LEAVE THE CHAIN LINK FENCE THE REST OF THE WAY, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S MY MOTION. OKAY. AMENDED MICHAEL. OKAY. AYE. YOU WANNA SECOND IT? SECOND. AMEND MY SECOND AS AMENDED. OKAY. OKAY. DO WE, AND WE GET WHO SECONDED THAT MICHAEL DID? UH, MICHAEL, YEAH. HE SECONDED ORIGINALLY AND THEN AMENDED HIS SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE A. AYE. AYE AYE. AYE. OKAY. SO THAT IS THE, YEAH, SO THAT'S, UH, NOW IS, IS THE PICKET FENCE WHITE? YEAH, WE, THERE'S NO OTHER, I'M TRYING TO SEE, THERE'S NO OTHER MOTION. THERE'S NO OTHER THING WE HAVE TO DO IN THIS SNOW. NO, THAT'S, THERE'S NO, SO WE WILL MODIFY, WE WILL MODIFY THE DRAFT DECISION THAT YOU SAW IN YOUR PACKAGES TO REFLECT THE, THE MOTION THAT, AND THE VOTE THAT WAS TAKEN THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. BYE. UM, THANK YOU, MICHAEL, FOR JUST GETTING DOWN TO THE CHASE RATHER THAN CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION. SO, UM, THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, CASE P B OH NINE DASH 12. UH, UH, UH, 66, UH, UH, BEACH STREET. AND THAT IS IN THE, OKAY. YOU, YOU CAN INTRODUCE IT AND THEN I, I WANNA FOLLOW IT OFF ON, YEAH, I HAVE SOME NOTES ON IT. SO I'M, I'M HAPPY TO READ THOSE OUT FOR, FOR YOU. CHAIRPERSON SIMON THEN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, AS YOU INDICATED, THE NEXT CASE IS PB OH NINE DASH 12. THAT'S B H A CONSULTANT LOCATED AT 66 BEACH STREET. UH, AND WITHIN THE R DASH FIVE SLASH LMF LIMITED MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT, THE APPLICANT SEEKS A RETROACTIVE EXTENSION OF SITE PLAN AND PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPROVAL. A FORMER APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED APPROVALS TO CONSTRUCT A MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCE, ASSISTING A FIVE TOWNHOUSE STYLE DWELLING UNIT ON VACANT LAND. THE INITIAL SITE PLAN AND PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, UH, APPROVALS WERE GRANTED BY THE PLANNING BOARD ON MAY 3RD, 2012. A FORMER OWNER MOST RECENTLY RECEIVED EXTENSIONS OF THE SITE PLAN AND STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPROVAL ON APRIL 5TH, 2018, WHICH WERE VALID THROUGH MAY 3RD, 2020. THE CURRENT OWNER AND ITS REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT [03:55:01] THIS EVENING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD MEMBERS MAY HAVE. UH, I DID JUST WANT TO NOTE CHAIRPERSON SIMON, THAT YOU DID ASK IF I WOULD PULL, UH, SOME INFORMATION RELATED TO WHETHER OR NOT THE BOARD HAS ISSUED RETROACTIVE EXTENSIONS AND, AND WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE. UM, BUT TO PULL THOSE SPECIFIC CASE NUMBERS, UM, GIVEN THE C OVID 19 PANDEMIC, I KNOW THE BOARD HAS BEEN, UM, OPEN TO ISSUING SOME RETROACTIVE EXTENSIONS. SO THE THREE THAT I PULLED, UH, OR MATT PULLED, I SHOULD SAY GIVE HIM THE CREDIT HERE. UM, ONE WAS THE LENIS PROJECT, L E N I S, CASE NUMBER PB 17 DASH 31 AT 1 95 GIBSON AVENUE. THAT WAS A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT THAT HAD LAPSED DURING COVID. AND THE PLANNING BOARD ISSUED A RETROACTIVE EXTENSION, UM, ALSO CASE NUMBER PB 14 DASH 12, THE SOLANO SUBDIVISION ON BARNABY LANE. THAT WAS AN EXTENSION OF A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL THAT HAD LAPSED AND THAT WAS ISSUED BY THE PLANNING BOARD. AND THEN ALSO MORE RECENTLY, UH, ONE IN, IN MORE RECENT MEMORY CASE NUMBER PB 18 DASH 15, UH, 1 35 OLD ARMY ROAD, THE PUCCI LUCID SUBDIVISION, UH, THAT WAS ONE WHERE THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION, UH, APPROVAL EXPIRED AS WELL. THAT'S THE ONE THAT THEY ENDED UP GOING BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD FOR THE SOLAR PANEL. AND THE PLANNING BOARD ULTIMATELY DID ISSUE A RETROACTIVE NOC PROTON EXTENSION. SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THOSE UP. I CAN, I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU. AND WE DO HAVE, UH, THE NEW OWNER AS WELL AS ITS REPRESENTATIVES HERE THIS EVENING. OKAY. IN ADDITION TO THAT, I, I ASKED DAVID, UH, TO RESEARCH, UH, UH, UH, THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE WHEN, UH, THAT AREA OF THE TOWN, UH, URBAN RENEWAL DESIGNATION WAS REMOVED. UH, WHEN THAT WAS DONE. IT, UH, THE, THE ISSUE, THE, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN IT, IT INDICATED THAT, UH, MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING, UH, SHOULD BE GRANDFATHERED, BUT ALL OTHER NEW HOUSES SHOULD BE SINGLE FAMILY. AND WHEN WE TOOK THE URBAN RENEWAL, UH, UH, UH, DESIGNATION OFF IN THAT LAW, IT STATED THAT MULTI-FAMILY, EXISTING MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTS WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED AND APPLICATION THAT WAS APPROVED WOULD BE GRANDFATHER. AND THIS IS A APPLICATION THAT WAS APPROVED. SO LEGALLY, UH, THERE IS NO REASON, NO LEGAL REASON WHY WE CANNOT EXTEND THE APPLICATION. SO THERE'S NO LEGAL, SO BALLS DOWN TO A, A STANDARD REQUEST TO, UH, UH, UH, EXTEND AN APPLICATION. THERE'S NO LEGAL BARRIER FOR US TO, UH, FROM DOING THAT. IT BECOMES A STRAIGHTFORWARD PLANNING BOARD DECISION WHETHER OR NOT WE EXTEND, UH, THE APPLICATIONS. I WANNA MAKE THAT CORRECT. OKAY. YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, CORRECT? YES. CHAIRPERSON. SIMON, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, FOR BRINGING THAT UP. I, I, UM, WANTED TO AT THE SAME TIME BRING UP THE CO THE SECTION OF OUR ORDINANCE, OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, 2 85 DASH 16 TWO, WHICH STATES EXACTLY WHAT YOU MENTIONED, THAT, UM, PRINCIPAL USES PERMITTED WITHIN THIS DISTRICT INCLUDE ALL LIMITED MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCES. AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL PULL UP THAT DEFINITION. 'CAUSE I, I DID LOCATE THAT AS WELL, UM, AS DEFINED IN SECTION 2 85 DASH FIVE, EITHER APPROVED OR LAWFULLY EXISTING AT THE TIME OF THE ENACTMENT OF THIS SECTION, WHICH WAS IN, UH, NOVEMBER 14TH, 2018. SO, AND THEN I'LL, WE'LL TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT WHAT IS MEANT BY, OR HOW IS, UH, LIMITED, HOW ARE LIMITED MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCES DEFINED, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE BOARD AS WELL. SO JUST BEAR WITH ME. OKAY. IT'S VERY SIMPLE, BUT, AND WHICH IS GREAT, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THESE AREN'T, AND THEY'RE NOT 100% CLEAR. I THINK THIS IS QUITE CLEAR. THIS IS STRAIGHT FROM THE CODE. [04:00:01] LIMITED MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCES ARE DEFINED AS TWO FAMILY TOWNHOUSE AND GARDEN APARTMENTS. THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL IS FOR FIVE UNITS, TOWNHOUSE STYLE, UH, DWELLING UNIT. OKAY. SO WITH THAT SAID, THEN WE KNOW IT BECOMES A DECISION OF WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THIS APPLICATION SHOULD BE EXTENDED PROTON. THAT'S THE ISSUE ON THE TABLE. AND THAT THIS BOARD HAS THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO MAKE THAT DECISION. ANY, UH, DISCUSSION ON THAT YOU? YEAH. UM, I THINK THEY, THEY HAD THE APPROVAL AT THE TIME OF THE ZONING CHANGE. THEY OBVIOUSLY ANTICIPATED THAT EVEN THE NEW BUYER HAD TO HAVE ANTICIPATED THAT SINCE IT WAS PRIOR, ALREADY APPROVED. AND THEREFORE, I THINK WE SHOULD GRANT THE EXTENSION PROTON AND WILLING TO MAKE THAT MOTION. NOW IF, UH, PEOPLE WANT, ENTERTAIN THAT, I, I'D LIKE TO JUST ADD ONE THING TO THAT, HUGH. UM, AND JUST TO, IF I CAN GET CONFIRMATION, AARON, IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE, UM, AGENDA THAT EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A CASE FROM, YOU KNOW, 2012, THAT EXTENSIONS HAD BEEN SECURED THROUGH MAY OF 2020, WHICH IS WHAT, ABOUT 18 MONTHS AGO? YES. I CAN CONFIRM THAT IT WAS ACCURATE, A HUGE GAP. AND WE HAD APPROVED MANY SIMILAR DURING COVID FOR, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME, SIMILAR. THAT IS CORRECT. I CHECKED THAT WHEN I WAS DOING THE RESEARCH. OKAY. THEN I, I WILL MAKE THAT, I WILL MAKE THE MOTION I JUST STATED SECOND. UM, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE AYE. AYE. OKAY. OKAY. UH, RATHER THAN TAKING THE MOTION, I SHOULD HAVE LEFT, UH, UH, ASK ARE THERE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE THE FINAL VOTE? ARE THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY DIS ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? IF NOT, THEN WHAT WE DID IS, IS FINE. OKAY. UM, SO THE EXTENSION HAVE BEEN, UH, VOTED ON. AND SO HOW LONG IS THE EXTENSION, AARON? 18 MONTHS? SO, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. IT GENERALLY WOULD BE, UM, A TWO YEAR EXTENSION FROM THE TIME THAT IT LASTS. THAT WOULD, THAT'S SILLY . BELIEVE ME, SIX MONTHS PROBABLY GIVE, THAT WOULDN'T GIVE THEM MUCH TIME, SO, RIGHT. UH, MR. DAVID, IF, IF YOU'RE PERMITTED I THREE THREE IS PUTTING UP THE THREE SYMBOL, AND IF THE BOARD IS AGREEABLE, IT HAS THAT RIGHT UNDER THE CODE TO GRANT IT FOR A PERIOD DIFFERENT THAN THE TWO YEARS, WHICH WOULD BE STANDARD. OKAY. I'LL JUST AMEND THE MOTION. I'LL JUST AMEND THE MOTION I MADE TO MAKE IT A THREE YEAR EXTENSION FROM THE TIME, FROM THE TIME OF LAST EXTENSION. YOU HAVE A SECOND? WELL, THAT WOULD BE MAY, 2023, AARON? YEAH. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. DO WE NEED A SECOND? YOU HAVE A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. UH, ASK FOR VOTE ON THE MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. UH, ANY OBJECTIONS? OKAY. THE, THE, UH, THE PERMIT IS EXTENDED UP TO MAY. WHAT'D YOU SAY? MAY, WHAT WAS THAT DATE? 2023 MAY 3RD, 2023. MAY 3RD, 2022. OKAY. OKAY. DAVID? YES. HOW MANY TIMES CAN THIS BE EXTENDED? THAT'S UP TO THE BOARD. THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO LEGAL NO LIMIT. THERE'S NO LEGAL LIMIT, THERE'S NO LIMIT ON SITE PLAN OR, UM, IS THAT STEEP SLOPE? UH, THERE'S NO LIMIT. UM, JUST IN GENERAL, AS YOU KNOW, IF THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGES, UH, LIKE IF MATERIAL LAW OR SOMETHING THAT WAS SOMETHING AFTER, THEN CONSIDER. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, THE, UH, FROM, THANK YOU. OKAY. NOW WE WILL GO INTO, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING SECTION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING. UH, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMID TWO CALLED ROLL MY PLEASURE. CHAIRPERSON. SIMON. HERE. MR. SCHWARTZ? HERE. MR. GOLDEN. HERE. MR. DESAI? HERE. MR. HAY? HERE. MS. F*G? HERE. MR. SNACK HERE. UH, WE JUST NOTE FOR THE RECORD OUTTA CURIOSITY, I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. AARON. JUST NOTE FOR [04:05:01] THAT'S OKAY. JUST NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT OUR ALTERNATE MEMBER, JONATHAN CAMPANO, IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, YOU HAD A QUESTION? JUST WANNA CONFIRM. YOU HAVE, I, I KEEP GETTING THAT MY INTERNET CONNECTION IS UNSTABLE. ARE YOU GUYS OKAY SEEING AND HEARING ME? YES. I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. OKAY. OKAY. UM, AS I INDICATED, UH, DURING THE WORK SESSION THAT, UH, CASE PB 21 DASH 10 23 SPRINGWOOD AVENUE, UH, WOULD, UH, NOT BE HEARD TONIGHT BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT, UH, RECEIVED, UH, A DECISION FROM THE ZONING BOARD. SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, I I MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, CASE PB 21 DASH 10 IS REMOVED FROM TONIGHT'S AGENDA. MR. CHAIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADJOURN TO A SPECIFIED DATE SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RENO BY THE APPLICANT AGAIN? OKAY. SO LET'S, UH, WHEN IS THE ZONING BOARD, WHEN IS THE ZONING BOARD EXPECTED TO HEAR THIS? SO THE ZONING BOARD IS NEXT. EXPECTED TO HEAR THIS ON NOVEMBER 18TH. STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU ADJOURN TO DECEMBER 1ST. OKAY, FINE. I DISAGREE WITH THAT. 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A DECISION THAT NIGHT. I DON'T THINK. ALWAYS ADJOURN IT A SECOND TIME, THEN WE, BUT YOU SAID YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T WANT 'EM TO RE-NOTICE IT. THE REA DAVE, YOU DON'T WANT 'EM TO RE-NOTICE IT. YOU GOTTA GOTTA, I KNOW THAT THE, I KNOW THE RE THE ZONING BOARD WAS LOOKING, WANTED TO SEE, SEE A RENDERING OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. SO THEY, THEY HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT IT. SO I'M CONCERNED THEY, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY MAKE A DECISION THAT NIGHT. A LOT OF TIMES THEY DON'T. AND IF YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO RENO IT, JUST MAKE IT FOR A FIRST JANUARY MEETING AT THIS POINT. IF YOU MOVE, UH, IF YOU MOVE IT TO DECEMBER 1ST AND THE Z B A HASN'T MADE A DECISION, YOU CAN DO WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT AND JUST MAY, UH, ADJOURN IT AGAIN WITHOUT RE NOTICING IT. I UNDERSTAND, BUT I, I THOUGHT THE REASON WHY YOU WANTED TO DO THAT WAS THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO YET ANOTHER NOTICE AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO ANOTHER NOTICE. NO. SO I'M CONFUSED WHEN WE ADJOURN, WHEN WE ADJOURNED TO A SPECIFIED DATE, THEY DON'T NEED ANOTHER NOTICE. THE RE-NOTICE. OKAY. I'M, THEY HAVE TO DO IS I MISUNDERSTOOD. OKAY. AND JUST FOR FURTHER, FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION, THEY DO HAVE THE SIGN. SO IN ADDITION TO THE NOTICE, THEY CAN CHANGE THE SIGN FOR THE CORRECT DATE. SO AT LEAST PEOPLE DRIVING BY ALSO. OKAY. THEN I'LL, I'LL MOVE, MOVE IT TO DECEMBER TO, TO, UH, FIRST MEETING IN DECEMBER. DO WE HAVE THE SECOND? ONE SECOND. OKAY. ALL ALL IN FAVORED MOVE RED. SECONDED. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR OF MOVE IN CASE PPP 2110 TO OUR DECEMBER 1ST MEETING. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL. UH, AYE. OPPOSED? UH, OKAY, SO, SO IT'S ADJOURNED TO OUR DECEMBER 1ST MEETING. SO THE NEXT CASE ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, PB 21 DASH 20. COULD YOU, UH, INTRODUCE THAT, UH, APPLICANT APPLICATION? YES, ABSOLUTELY. AS CHAIRPERSON SIMON INDICATED. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 20 CHACON, LOCATED AT 84 EUCLID AVENUE, P O R GLEE IN THE R 7.51 FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT SEEKS AMENDED SITE PLAN, I'M SORRY, THE APPLICANT SEEKS, UH, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPROVAL, UM, FOR A PROJECT, PARDON ME, I HAD MY NOTES INCORRECT FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION OF A ONE AND A HALF STORY, ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE ALONG WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO AND A HALF STORY, ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH RELATED IMPROVEMENTS. THE EXISTING DETACHED GARAGE ON SITE WOULD REMAIN AS DISCUSSED DURING THE WORK SESSION. THE NEW HOME WOULD HAVE A NEW FRONT WALKWAY AND A NEW REAR DECK. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING APPROXIMATELY 2098 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO REGULATED STEEP SLOPES. THE PROJECT REQUIRES APPROXIMATELY 233 CUBIC YARDS OF EXCAVATION. THE PROPERTY CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 11,512 SQUARE FEET AND IS SITUATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF EUCLID AVENUE, AGAIN IN THE R 7.7 0.51 FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND ANSWER [04:10:01] ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. I WILL NOTE THAT THERE WERE NO REQUESTED, UH, REQUESTS FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR REVISION COMING OUTTA THE WORK SESSION, AND THEREFORE THERE WAS NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKAGE. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. HAYNES. UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. AND IF YOU NEED ME TO SHARE THE SCREEN, I'M HAPPY TO DO SO, OR WE HAVE ALLOWED YOU TO SHARE THE SCREEN IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO THAT. EXCELLENT. THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. REGARDLESS, I WOULD LIKE AT SOME POINT TO HAVE THE SCREEN UP SO WE HAVE THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC COULD SEE THE SCREEN, SO WHETHER YOU, UH, UH, UH, YOU DO IT MR. HANGS OR OR DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT DOES, IT DOESN'T MATTER AS LONG AS YOU CAN. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. I'LL, I'LL DO IT THIS WAY. I CAN NAVIGATE YOU THROUGH VERY QUICKLY. OKAY. FIRST, FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WANNA SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME. UH, MY NAME IS THOMAS HAYNES FROM HAYNES ARCHITECTURE, AND, UM, IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, IF I MAY NOW, I WILL, UH, SHARE MY SCREEN AND I CAN JUST BRIEFLY TAKE YOU THROUGH, UH, OUR PRESENTATION FOR TONIGHT. AND, UM, AARON DID A, A GREAT JOB OF JUST KIND OF OUTLINING WHAT EXACTLY WHAT THE INTENT HERE IS TODAY, BUT I'LL JUST SHOW IT TO YOU IN A DIAGRAM FORM ON THE PLANS, UH, VERY BRIEFLY, AND THEN I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THEREAFTER. OKAY. CAN EVERYBODY SEE THE SCREEN WELL? OH, YES. WE CAN SAY IT NOW. OKAY, TERRIFIC. OKAY. SO AS , IF, IF POSSIBLE, CAN YOU HIGHLIGHT THE, UH, THE, THE DIAGRAM AND, AND YOU COULD GET THE SIDE, THE COMMENTS, UH, YOU COULD MAKE THAT SMALLER, BUT ZOOM IN ON THE ACTUAL PROPERTY, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. SURE, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. SO, UM, AS YOU SAW WITH, WITH THE ZOOMED OUT, OBVIOUSLY THE, UM, ON TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE SCREEN HERE IS THE EXISTING PLOT PLAN. UM, THE EXTENT OF THE PROPERTY, UM, EXTEND ALL THE WAY BACK WITH THE, A DIMENSION FROM THE, ON THE, ALONG THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF 154.90 FEET ALL THE WAY BACK. SO NOW I'M GONNA ZOOM IN AND WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT OF A, A, A CLOSEUP HERE OF THE PROPOSED HOUSE. WE ARE PROPOSING THE NEW DWELLING IN THE, IN THE SAME AREA OF THE EXISTING DWELLING. PART OF THE, UH, THE ISSUES WHEN WE WERE LAYING THIS OUT FROM ITS INCEPTION WAS THAT THE EXISTING DWELLING WAS, WAS SKEWED TO THE PROPERTY LINES, WHICH, UM, REALLY CREATED SOME DIFFICULTIES FOR US IN THE DESIGN OF THE HOME. AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE DECIDED TO, UH, TO SQUARE IT OFF WITH THE PROPERTY LINES WITH REGARDS TO ZONING SETBACKS AND SUCH. UM, AND OUR PROPOSED DWELLING TODAY IS, IS, UM, ACTUALLY DEPICTED BY THESE, THIS HATCHED AREA WHERE IT SAYS, PROPOSED ONE FAMILY DWELLING. LEMME SEE IF THE HIGHLIGHTER WORKS WHEN, NO, IT DOESN'T. I DON'T, UH, I'VE ACTUALLY NEVER DRAWN ON THIS. I DON'T KNOW IF MY I THINK THE, THE THIRD FROM THE FAR RIGHT COMING THREE IS, IS A, IS A PEN. I THINK YOU DO IT WITH THAT. OH, I THINK THAT'S THE, MY SIGNATURE. THE NEXT ONE, THE NEXT ONE TO THE RIGHT ISN'T, ISN'T THAT A PEN TO HIGHLIGHT? THIS ONE HERE? OKAY. NO, NO. YEAH, THE, THE HIGHLIGHTER DOESN'T, DOESN'T ALLOW ME TO DO THAT. UM, OKAY, FINE. GO AHEAD. UH, YEAH, I, I, IF YOU CAN SEE IT, I'LL MOVE MY CURSOR AROUND IT. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. SO, SO THIS, SO THE PROPOSED DWELLING IS GONNA, IS GONNA BE LOCATED IN THE, THE PERIMETER HERE WITHIN THIS HATCHED AREA. THE FRONT HERE JUST HAS A, HAS A FRONT PORCH, AND THEN SOME STEPS DOWN TO THE AREA OF, UM, PROPOSED WALK IN. IN THIS AREA HERE ALONG THE FRONT FROM THE STREET WORKING DOWN WHERE I'M MOVING THE CURSOR HERE IN THE MIDDLE, THAT'S THE EXISTING STAIR AND THE EXISTING WALK. SO THIS SECTION'S ALL TO REMAIN THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY ALONG THE LEFT HAND SIDE AND THE EXISTING GARAGE AS WELL ARE TO REMAIN. SO WE ARE PROPOSING DISTURBANCE IN THE MAJORITY OF THE DISTURBANCES BEING PROPOSED IN THE AREA WHERE THE EXISTING HOUSE CURRENTLY SITS, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF EXTENDING SLIGHTLY TOWARDS THE REAR, UM, WHICH I CAN SHOW YOU IN THE NEXT SCREEN. AND, UH, ALONG TO THE RIGHT HERE, ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, AT THE VERY REAR, AS AARON HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'RE PROPOSING A TIERED DECK SYSTEM AT THE BACK, FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR. AND THEN ALSO, UM, BEHIND THAT BACK SET, UH, AT LEAST 10 FEET BACK FROM THE DECK STRUCTURE, WE'RE PROPOSING EIGHT, UH, CALL TECH RECHARGER, THREE 30 XL CHAMBERS, WHICH WOULD MANAGE THE STORMWATER, UM, ON SITE THAT WAS INCREASED, UH, AND THAT WE'RE PICKING UP WITH THE, UH, THE NEW IMPERVIOUS AREA. SO AS WE GO TO OUR NEXT SCREEN HERE, THIS IS, UM, AN EXISTING PLOT PLAN WHICH, UH, THESE HATCH PATTERNS JUST DEMONSTRATE TO YOU THE AREAS OF STEEP SLOPE. SO THE, THE WHAT JUMPS OUT TO YOU FIRST ARE THESE VERY DARK HATCHED AREAS. THOSE ARE TH EXISTING AREAS OF 35 PLUS PERCENT SLOPE. UM, IT'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT AREA, BUT IN INDEED IT IS, IT DOES EXIST. AND WE WANTED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT TO YOU. UM, I'LL [04:15:01] ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT MORE. MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO SAY. SO THE, THE HATCH PATTERN THAT LOOKS LIKE, UM, RAIN ROUGH, SO TO SPEAK, UM, THAT'S 25 TO 35% PIT, UH, SLOPES. AND THEN EVERYTHING THAT HAS EVEN A MORE FINER, UM, KIND OF HARD TO SEE IN THE P D F, IT'S EASIER TO SEE IN THE DRAWING, BUT WHERE YOU CAN SEE THIS SAND OR PEBBLE LIKE PATTERN THROUGHOUT OUR AREAS OF, UH, SLOPE, WHICH CONSISTS OF SECONDS, IT'S SHOWN RIGHT HERE AT 15 TO 25% SLOPE. THE 24.99. CORRECT. SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE EXISTING DWELLING LOCATED HERE IN THE MIDDLE TO BE REMOVED. UM, SO EVERYTHING DASHED AND DOTTED IN HERE IN THE CENTER IS WHAT WE'RE REMOVING. AND AS WE PROGRESS DOWN IN THE DRAWINGS, THE DARK GRAY HATCH IS ALL THE AREA THAT'S EXISTING, RIGHT? SO THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY REMOVING IT, BUT I'M JUST SHOWING YOU THE OVERLAY HERE OF WHAT WAS EXISTING. AND THEN THE OTHER HATCH PATTERN SHOWN IN THIS DIAGRAM IS WHAT'S NEW. SO AGAIN, GOING LEFT TO RIGHT HERE IS THE FRONT WALKWAY STEPS PORCH SECTION OF THE EXTENDED, UM, DEVELOPMENT AREA, SO TO SPEAK. AND THEN OUR DECKS AT THE REAR WITH OUR NEW STORMWATER CHAMBERS IS BEHIND THAT. UH, OKAY. THAT'S, IT WAS A DISTURBANCE DIAGRAM ON THAT ONE. AND THEN, UM, WE JUST HAVE THE FLOOR PLANS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT ME TO WALK YOU THROUGH THOSE, BUT WE HAVE A PROPOSED BASEMENT FLOOR PLAN IN HERE. WE HAVE OUR FIRST FLOOR PLAN. AGAIN, THE FRONT ENTRY IS HERE, UH, STEPS UP TO THE CENTER THROUGH DOUBLE DOORS. UM, I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANNA BORE YOU WITH THE DETAILS LIVING ROOM ON THE LEFT SIDE. OH, THE, THE, THE INTERIOR OF, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD JUST FLASH IT, BUT WE DON'T GET NOT AS CONCERN WITH THAT. OKAY. SO, YEP. , I MEAN, JUST, YEAH, I'LL JUST YOU THROUGH, SO SECOND FLOOR PLAN HERE AS WELL. UM, WE HAVE THE ROOF FRAMING PLAN, WE HAVE OUR, UH, EXTERIOR PROPOSED ELEVATIONS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT PRETTY MUCH TAKES US THROUGH WHAT WAS PRESENTED. UH, I DID WANT TO POINT OUT TOO, FOR THE BOARD THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE, THE OWNER'S, UH, HOUSE. UH, HE'S, THIS IS THE DESIGN THAT WE WORK TOGETHER WITH THEM. UM, AND THIS IS SORT OF THEIR DREAM HOME AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE WORK SIDE BY SIDE WITH THEM INTO, UH, THE DEVELOPING WHAT WE THINK IS GONNA BE A NICE PROJECT WITH AS MINIMAL DISTURBANCE AS POSSIBLE TO, TO GET, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY WHAT HE NEEDS ON THE PROPERTY. WELL, ARE THERE ANY, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD MEMBER? I HAVE ONE OR TWO, BUT, UH, I'LL LET ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS START OFF. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? IF NOT, I THINK I HAVE A QUESTION. SURE. YEAH. UH, WHILE YOU KEEPING THE, UH, THE EXISTING STEPS AND, AND WALK GOING INTO IT, IT LOOKS PRETTY, UH, PRETTY OLD AND, UH, SOMEWHAT, UH, UH, NEEDS A REPAIR AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO JUST I, IT WORKS, BUT IT IS A, UH, I MEAN, SINCE YOU'RE DOING IT ALL OF THE THINGS AND YOUR ENTRANCE IS, UH, IN THE CENTER AND YOU ARE KEEPING THE EXISTING SIDEWALK AND, UH MM-HMM. , I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS AROUND IT, BUT IT LOOKS KIND OF, UH, UH, YEAH. SO, SO THE OBJECTIVE AGAIN HERE WAS, IS TO, TO CREATE AS LITTLE SITE DISTURBANCE AS POSSIBLE. WE'RE TRYING TO USE, UM, SOME OF THE EXISTING, AS MUCH OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AS WE COULD, SO TO SPEAK. UM, KEEPING THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, THE GARAGE AND THE EXISTING WALKWAY DOWN, UM, THAT DOES GO INTO, THROUGH THE STEEP SLOPE AREA. AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THAT. WE DID NOT WANNA RELOCATE THAT STRAIGHTFORWARD. WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP EVERYTHING AS MUCH AS WE CAN INTACT WITH AS LITTLE DISTURBANCE AS POSSIBLE. AGAIN, WE, YOU KNOW, WE, IT IS BUDGETARY AS WELL. I'M SURE THE OWNER MAY CONSIDER PATCHING AND REPAIRING ANYTHING THAT MAY NEED TO BE DONE IN THAT REGARDS. BUT WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO RELOCATE THE WALKWAY AND STEPS, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, TO COME DOWN THE MIDDLE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP EVERYTHING INTACT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. OKAY. I MEAN, TO ME IT LOOKED, I, I LEAVE FEW BLOCK, FEW HOUSES UP AND IT LOOKED PRETTY, UH, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT MAKES A CODE. I DON'T KNOW. IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT YOU, AGAIN, I, TO BE HONEST, I, YOU KNOW, I'D, I'D HAVE TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT WHAT TYPE OF DISREPAIR, IF IT IS IN DISREPAIR AT ALL. UM, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IT COULD RECEIVE TOPPING OR SOMETHING TO BE REPLACED, BUT MORE AS A REPAIR OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, UM, JUST TO FRESHEN UP AND MAKE IT APPEAR LIKE A NEW DWELLING. UM, IT WILL BE A NEW HOUSE ESSENTIALLY. BUT, UH, BUT TO FALL IN LINE WITH THE, UH, THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE SITE, I'M SURE THAT MR. CHICO IS, IS WILLING TO DO THAT, AND I'M SURE HE'D WANNA DO THAT. UM, BUT AS FAR AS I MENTIONED, RELOCATING OR ANYTHING TO THAT NATURE, WE'RE WHERE WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN THAT. AND, AND, AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT SHOULD THIS BE APPROVED, WE COULD ALWAYS POINT TO [04:20:02] MAKE NOTE TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO TAKE A LOOK AND MAKE SURE THOSE STEPS TAKE, MEET THE CODE. I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THEY WOULD DO ANYHOW, BUT WE COULD MAKE A NOTE OF THAT TO MAKE SURE, UH, THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THE STEPS TO ENSURE THAT THEY MEET THE CODE. OKAY. OKAY. I'M SURE IT'D BE ACCEPTABLE TODAY. OKAY. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, I UNDERSTAND YOU GAVE THE REASONS WHY THE GARAGE IS NOT BEING MOVED, BECAUSE THEN, UH, UH, UH, THAT IS THE GARAGE IS AN APPROVED NON-CON CONFORMANCE, AND IF YOU START MOVING THE GARAGE AND IT OPENS UP ANOTHER HOLE OF CAN OF WORMS, I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT, BUT THAT IS NOW, WHAT IS THE PITCH OF THAT DRIVEWAY FROM THE GARAGE TO THE STREET? IS THE, IS, UH, I WAS TRYING TO, IT'S 23, 28. THREE 20. OH, IT GOES UP, BUT NO, IS THAT, NO, NO. IT'S, IT'S GOING, IT'S GOING DOWN TO ROUGHLY, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THREE. I'M GONNA SAY THREE 18 OR THREE SOMETHING. UH, THREE. OKAY. SO, OKAY. OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WH WHY I SAY THAT, AND I SEE YOUR CALTECH, THE CALTECH IS IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. CORRECT. AND WHAT IS THE, UH, UH, THE CHALLENGES, IF ANY, TO PUT A CATCH BASIN AT THE FOOT OF THAT, UH, UM, YOUR, UH, UH, DRIVEWAY AND ROUTE THAT WATER TO YOUR CALTECH IS ANY REASON WHY THAT CANNOT BE DONE? WE UH, WE, WE IT CAN BE DONE. YEAH, BUT I'M SAYING REASONABLY, WHAT WOULD BE, WHAT WOULD BE THE CHALLENGES THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO FACE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN? THE CHALLENGES, THE AMOUNT OF DISRUPTION AND DISTURBANCE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO, TO, TO ACHIEVE THAT. AND WE WOULD'VE TO PICK UP THE STORMWATER RUNOFF FROM THAT WHOLE DRIVEWAY AREA. NOW, UM, AGAIN, WE'RE TREATING THAT, THAT'S ALL EXISTING CONDITIONS. UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE OWNER HASN'T EXPRESSED ANY, UH, ANY ISSUES IN THE PAST WITH THIS, UH, THIS EXISTING CONDITION. SO OUR GOAL WAS JUST TO MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF CHAMBERS, UM, NECESSARY AND FOCUS ON ONLY THE AREA OF IMPROVEMENT. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE ALREADY PROPOSING EIGHT COAL TECH CHAMBERS FOR THE PROPOSED IMPERVIOUS AREA, UM, INCLUDING THAT, THAT IT'S A VERY LONG DRIVEWAY THAT WE WOULD THEN HAVE TO INCLUDE THE IMPERVIOUS, UH, STORMWATER RUNOFF FROM THAT ENTIRE AREA, POTENTIALLY PARTIAL GARAGE SHEDDING OFF THE ROOF POTENTIALLY. AND ON TOP OF THAT, HAVE GREATER DISTURBANCE IN BEHIND THESE CHAMBERS. SO IT'S A DISTURBANCE ISSUE, AND IT'S ALSO A COST ISSUE FOR HOW MANY MORE CHAMBERS WE WOULD NEED. OKAY. THE CHAMBERS ARE, ARE, ARE FALLING AROUND 2 2500 TO 3000 A PIECE. SO IT, IT, IT'S A, IT'S A LARGE NUMBER. THEN I WOULD, I, I WOULD ASK I BEFORE WE EVEN TO ASSESS WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S AN ISSUE. CORRECT. YOU SAY YOU LEAVE A FEW HOUSES DOWN ON HEAVY RAINS. IS THERE WATER RUNNING DOWN THAT STREET? UM, I THINK, YEAH, IT'S A CONCERN. AND ALSO, UH, NO, I'M, I'M TRYING TO ASSESS WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A PROBLEM, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF COST INVOLVED IN DOING THAT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SOLVE A NON-EXISTING PROBLEM. SO THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE A PROBLEM OF RUNOFF, UH, ON THAT STREET DURING, YOU KNOW, EVERY RANGE OR THAT THE, THE EXISTING SEWER CATCH BASIN IS NOT ADEQUATELY HANDLED? SO THAT'S MY QUESTION. UH, NORMALLY, NO. BUT, UH, CONSIDERING THAT THERE IS A LOT OF, UH, HEAVY RAINS AND THEN, UH, THE EUCLID AVENUE ITSELF IS A QUITE, UH, STEEP, SO THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT IT WILL FLOOD THE GARAGE. UH, BUT OTHER QUESTION IS THAT HOW YOU GONNA BUILD THIS WHOLE NEW HOUSE WITHOUT DISTURBING THAT, UH, ALL THE CONCRETE STEPS AND SIDEWALKS AND THE DRIVEWAY KEEPING IN THE SAME CONDITION? BECAUSE IT'S A, UH, THE, I MEAN, LOOKING AT YOUR SECTIONS AND ELEVATIONS, YOU ARE DIGGING UP, YOU HAVE A WHOLE, UH, WHOLE HOUSE AS A, UH, BASEMENT. SO IT, IT'S ONLY GONNA BE A FEW FEET OVERCUT FROM WHAT THE PERIMETER IS SHOWN HERE NOW. SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU ARE THE, THE, THE H WE'RE NOT EXTENDING MUCH TO THE, MUCH FURTHER TO THE LEFT OF THE EXISTING FOUNDATION WALL TOWARDS THE DRIVEWAY SIDE OF MEANS. YEP. SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ONLY FACTORING A FEW FEET OF OVERCUT ON THIS, SO IT SHOULDN'T HAVE, [04:25:01] YOU KNOW, WE SHOULDN'T NEED TO REDO ALL OF THIS. I MEAN, THE DRIVEWAY, UM, WE'RE NOWHERE NEAR THAT. UM, IF ANYTHING, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, CLOSER TO SOME OF THE WALKWAYS AND THINGS THERE, BUT IT SHOULDN'T, SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY DISTURBANCE ON THAT. OKAY. I HAD QUESTION. YEAH. YES. UH, IF I MAY. SURE. SO, MR. HAYNES, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO TELL US, UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS, AND THIS RELATES TO THE DRAINAGE AND THE STONEWATER MANAGEMENT THAT CHAIRPERSON SIMON HAD ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT EARLIER. SO, UM, THE EXISTING HOME AND THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY IN THE EXISTING GARAGE, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY UNDERGROUND OR OTHER STORMWATER MANAGEMENT DEVICES ASSOCIATED WITH THE EXISTING PROPERTY? I'M NOT, UH, TO BE HONEST, I, I DON'T KNOW. UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT THREE OF US WITHIN OUR FIRM HAS BEEN WORKING ON TOGETHER. UM, THAT'S OKAY. I, YEAH, ONLY I VISITED THE SITE IN PERSON, UM, INITIALLY THEN I HAVEN'T BEEN BACK PERSONALLY, SO I DON'T KNOW. AND I ACTUALLY WAS JUST TRYING TO TOGGLE THROUGH TO TRY TO FIND SOME PHOTOGRAPHS HERE, UH, TO SEE IF, IF, UH, IF I CAN GET ANY OF THAT INFORMATION THERE. I MEAN, FOR ALL WE KNOW, THERE MAY BE A, A, A, A PRINT SCREEN, UM, AT THE BOTTOM OF THE, OF THE DRIVEWAY THAT EXISTS. I, I DON'T KNOW, TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU, UM, I, I COULD TRY TO OKAY. THAT, THAT'S FINE. I KNOW THE STRUCTURE'S MORE THAN, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE LOOKED INTO EVEN IF THE PLANNING BOARD CLOSED, THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, THIS EVENING, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO SEE IF THERE ARE OTHER COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. BUT THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU COULD LOOK INTO AND THEN GET BACK TO US, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, BY THE END OF THE WEEK OR EARLY NEXT WEEK. SURE. NOT PROBLEM. MY NEXT QUESTION, AND, AND, AND I KNOW THE STRUCTURE IS MORE THAN 50 YEARS OLD, IT WAS ROUTED TO THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD, AS WE DISCUSSED DURING THE WORK SESSION. SO IT BEING AN OLDER HOUSE, YOU KNOW, THE LIKELIHOOD OF THERE BEING A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM DWINDLED. YEAH. UM, WHICH LEADS TO MY SECOND QUESTION, WHICH IS YOU HAVE THE EIGHT CULTECH PROPOSED, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS EIGHT. YES. MY QUESTION IS, UM, IS THAT GOING, IS THAT DESIGNED TO CAPTURE EVERY, AND TREAT AND HANDLE EVERYTHING FROM THE NEW HOME AND, AND DECK AND WHATNOT, OR JUST THE EXPANSION BEYOND THE EXISTING HOME? NO, IT, IT'S, AND THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR OUR BOARD MEMBERS TO UNDERSTAND. UNDERSTOOD. SO, NO, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE DRYWALL CALCULATIONS ALONG THE RIGHT HERE, WE'RE SHOWING THE PROPOSED DWELLING. SO THAT'S THE PERIMETER, 1,534 SQUARE FEET. WE HAVE THE CONCRETE WALKS AND STAIRS OF 72 SQUARE FEET AND A WOOD DECK OF 391. THE DECKS ARE, YOU KNOW, MOST MUNICIPALITIES CONSIDER THEM, UH, PERMEABLE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE DRAINAGE SYSTEMS OFF THE, OFF OF A, OF A WOOD DECK TYPICALLY. BUT WE ARE INCLUDING THAT DECK IN THE IMPERVIOUS NUMBER AS WELL. UM, I BELIEVE THAT, THAT GREENBERG DOES HAVE THAT AS A REQUIREMENT. YEAH. SO OUR, OUR TOTAL, WE'RE PICKING UP ABOUT 2000 SQUARE FEET OF IMPERVIOUS AREA. SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, YEAH, WE'RE NOT DOING JUST A NET, A SIMPLE NET INCREASE TO IMPERVIOUS, LIKE WE WOULD, WE WOULD DO IF WE WERE DOING LARGE ADDITIONS. OFTEN WE WOULD, WE MAY JUST TRY TO OFFSET BY THE NET INCREASE TO IMPERVIOUS, BUT IN THIS CASE, WE'RE TREATING IT LIKE IT'S A NEW DWELLING. THE ONLY THING THAT WE'RE NOT DOING IS TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE DRIVEWAY IN THE GARAGE, BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN IN EXISTING CONDITION SINCE, YOU KNOW, 1923. RIGHT. ON THAT. SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY POINT THAT I WANTED OUR BOARD MEMBERS TO UNDERSTAND. THAT WAS MY IMPRESSION OF IT. UM, BUT THEY WILL BE PICKING UP EVERYTHING OFF FROM THE NEW HOUSE IN THE DECK VERSUS SOMETIMES YOU'LL SEE, OKAY. UH, WELL, WE ARE, WE GET A CREDIT FOR WHAT PRE-EXISTED ON THE PROPERTY. THE OLD HOUSE, YOU KNOW, HAD A FOOTPRINT OF 1000 SQUARE FEET, AND THIS NEW HOUSE HAS A 1500 SQUARE FOOT FOOT FOOTPRINT, SO THEREFORE WE ONLY NEED TO CALCULATE AND BASE IT OFF OF 500 SQUARE FOOT NET INCREASE. THE APPLICANT HAS NOT DONE THAT IN THIS CASE. THEY'VE, THEY'VE DESIGNED IT AS IF IT WERE A VACANT LOT TODAY. SO THAT, THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE BOARD. ONE LAST QUESTION I HAVE, UH, UH, I, I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT, UH, OR THE RATIONALE WHY IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO PUT A, A, UH, A DRAIN AT THE, AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY. UH, IF YOU LOOK AT EXISTING GARAGE, THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO THE CALTECH, IF THE DOWNSPOUTS FROM THE EXISTING GARAGE WAS HOOKED UP TO THE CAL, DOES THAT CHANGE THE FACT? WOULD THAT MAKE THE, UH, NO LONGER MAKE THE GARAGE, UH, A GRANDFATHER, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A WHOLE REDESIGN BY JUST SIMPLY ADDING THE DOWNSPOUTS TO THAT? NO. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS, IS THAT, UM, DEPENDING ON THE ROOF PITCH ON THAT, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU HAD, [04:30:01] YOUR LEADERS WOULD COME ON GUTTERS, THAT, THAT, THAT WERE ON EITHER SIDE IF IT'S A GABLE ROOF. RIGHT. SO THE GOAL THEN IS, IS THAT IF WE WANTED TO INCORPORATE THAT GARAGE INTO THE, THE, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, UM, IF WE ONLY HAD LEADERS ON ONE SIDE OF THE GABLE ROOF, SO TO SPEAK, WE WOULD, WE COULD CONNECT THAT IN. BUT YOU WOULD WANT TO TAKE THE IMPERVIOUS AREA OF HALF OF THE GARAGE AND CONNECT THAT INTO THE CHAMBER. THE PROPER WAY TO DO IT THEN IS, IS TO TAKE THE ENTIRE GARAGE SQUARE FOOTAGE, JUST LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO THE ENTIRE DRIVEWAY AND CONNECT THAT INTO THE CHAMBERS. SO WHAT, WHEN WE, WHEN WE DESIGN THESE STORM WATER SYSTEMS, WE TYPICALLY, WITH THE CHAMBERS, WE TYPICALLY LEAVE A BIT EXCESS, RIGHT? SO RIGHT HERE, AS YOU CAN SEE IN OUR CALCULATIONS, UM, AND YOU SEE WHERE MY CURSOR IS DOWN HERE, WE'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO PICK UP 551 CUBIC FEET OF, UM, OF STORM WATER. WE'RE PROPOSING 633.84. SO BASICALLY WE DO HAVE SOME SURPLUS THAT IN THEORY, WE CAN CONNECT PART OF THAT GARAGE AND THE LEADER SYSTEM. CORRECT. AGAIN, THERE WOULD BE SOME MORE SITE, A LITTLE BIT MORE SITE DISTURBANCE. NOT MUCH, BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO BE 10 FEET AWAY FROM THAT GARAGE WITH OUR CHAMBERS. UM, BUT THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE PURPOSE HERE WAS TO, YOU KNOW, TO NOT REINVENT THE WHEEL ON THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. UM, LIKE I SAID, WE CAN PICK UP SOME POTENTIALLY, 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME SURPLUS, BUT WHAT'LL HAPPEN IS, IS THAT IF, IF WE RUN THE MATH OF THE ENTIRE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE GARAGE, IT, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS BUMP UP PRETTY QUICK, WHERE THEN YOU'RE REQUIRED MORE CHAMBERS. RIGHT? SO WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SURPLUS TO PLAY WITH, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN ADD THE GARAGE SQUARE FOOTAGE TO THIS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND, AND KEEP THE SAME NUMBER OF CHAMBERS WE HAVE. I DON'T KNOW. IT WOULD JUST BE, IT WOULD JUST BE THE MATH TO FIGURE THAT OUT. OKAY. CAN YOU, CAN YOU AT LEAST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE SURE. IF IT IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A COST SIMILAR TO MY FIRST SUGGESTION OF RUNNING THE PIPE ALL THE WAY BACK. MM-HMM. , YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COST TO BRING A PIPE, UH, 10 FEET AND THEN LOOK AT WHAT IS THE IMPACT ON THE NUMBER OF CHAMBERS AND SEE IF IT MAKES SENSE TO DO THAT. SO JUST AT LEAST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. SURE. I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THIS? IF, UH, IS IT, IF NOT, IS ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT? I'M SORRY IF I MAY BE BEFORE, UH, BEFOREHAND. I JUST DID THE MATH ON IT. OH, I'M SORRY. I'M SCROLLING OVER HERE BY ACCIDENT. UM, I JUST DID THE MATH ON IT. AND IT LOOKS LIKE WITH OUR SURPLUS, INCLUDING JUST THE GARAGE ITSELF, RIGHT? JUST, JUST THE GARAGE, NOT THE DRIVEWAY. YEAH, JUST THE GARAGE. IF WE INCLUDED THE GARAGE RIGHT. AND CONNECTED THE, THE, THE GUTTERS AND LEADERS DOWN, YOU KNOW, AROUND INTO THE EXISTENCE TO THE PROPOSED CHAMBERS, WE HAVE, WE WOULD'VE A REQUIRED, UM, CUBIC FOOTAGE OF 625, AND WE WERE PROPOSING 633. SO WE WOULD STILL FALL IN UNDER THE REQUIRED WITHOUT ADDING ANOTHER CHAMBER. SO WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY. CAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THE BOARD WAS AMENABLE TO, UM, MAKING AN, YOU KNOW, FAVORABLE CONCLUSION OR DECISION ON THIS PROJECT TONIGHT, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO INCLUDE THAT IN A RESOLUTION IF YOU SO WANTED. OKAY. UM, ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? UH, ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? THERE'S NOT, I DON'T BELIEVE ANYONE SUM UP, BUT NOW WOULD BE THE TIME. MR. HAYNES, CAN YOU TAKE DOWN THE SHARE SCREEN FOR ABSOLUTELY. IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS AND, UH, AND, AND, UH, UH, AND IF HOOKING UP THE, THAT, UH, THE GARAGE TO THE CHAMBER WOULD, CAN BE DONE AT, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S, UH, AT, OF COURSE A REASONABLE EXPENSE AND THAT, UH, THE FACT THAT ANOTHER CHAMBER WOULD NOT BE NEEDED, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT, UH, IT WOULD, WE MAKE THAT PART OF THE REQUIREMENT THAT HAS TO BE DONE ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION. UH, IF THERE'S ANY OBJECTION TO THAT, UH, PLEASE VOICE IT. IF NOT, UH, THE APPLICANT WILL ATTACH, UH, THE GUTTERS TO THE CHAMBERS. UH, WITH THAT SAID, AND NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, UH, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THIS HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL NOVEMBER. WHAT WOULD BE THAT, THE, THAT DATE BEFORE? PARDON ME? NOVEMBER 10TH. NOVEMBER 10TH. UH, DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? SO, UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OBJECTIONS BE NONE. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THANK ALL VERY MUCH. I, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, UH, THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS PB 2107. UH, MR. [04:35:01] SCH, WE INTRODUCED PROJECT, PLEASE. THIS WAS, UM, THIS WAS RESCHEDULED FROM OUR LAST MEETING BECAUSE THE APPLICANT HAD A, UH, UH, PERSONAL EMERGENCY AND COULD NOT, UH, BE WITH US, UH, AT OUR LAST MEETING. AND SO IT WAS PLACED BACK ON THE AGENDA FOR TODAY. MS. TODD, ARE YOU AVAILABLE? HE IS. SO I'M JUST GONNA DO THE BRIEF INTRODUCTION. UM, WE DID, WE DID COMMUNICATE WITH ONE ANOTHER EARLIER, UH, AS CHAIRPERSON SIMON INDICATED. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CASE NUMBER PV 21 DASH ZERO SEVEN GRAYSTONE, HUD LOTS FOUR THROUGH SEVEN, LOCATED OFF CARRIAGE TRAIL, P O TERRYTOWN IN THE PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT. THE A THE APPLICANT, UM, SEEKS AMENDED SITE PLAN AND RE SUBDIVISION APPROVALS FOR PROPOSAL CONSISTING OF THE RE SUBDIVISION OF FOUR BUILDING LOCKS AND ONE LOT CONTAINING A ROADWAY IN ORDER TO REMOVE THE CUL-DE-SAC ROADWAY AND REVEGETATE IT DISTRIBUTING THE LAND AMONGST LOTS 4, 5, 6, AND SEVEN OF THE DEVELOPMENT SITE. YEAH, A ZONING CHANGE TO A PUD PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ALLOWING FOR MULTIPLE DWELLINGS ON A SINGLE LOT UNDER CASE NUMBER TB 19 DASH ZERO TWO. THE APPLICANT ALSO PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED THE PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT IN CONNECTION WITH ITS PRIOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL UNDER CASE NUMBER PB 11 DASH 13. FINALLY, THE APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL UNDER CASE NUMBER PB 20 DASH ZERO EIGHT IN CONNECTION WITH DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE STIPULATED STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE. UM, THE PLANNING BOARD LAST DISCUSSED THIS AS PART OF A WORK SESSION, AND, UM, AS CHAIRPERSON SIMON INDICATED THERE, THE APPLICANT COULD NOT ATTEND THE LAST PRIOR HEARING, SO IT WAS ADJOURNED TO THIS EVENING. WE HAVE MR. TODD HERE, UH, TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS TO THE BOARD MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT WE, AT LEAST EARLIER, HAD, UM, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE VILLAGE OF TERRYTOWN ON MR. PINELLA. I DO SEE THAT HE'S, UH, ON AS WELL, SO, UH, HE MAY WISH TO SPEAK AT SOME POINT. I JUST WANTED THE BOARD MEMBERS TO BE AWARE, AND IT LOOKS LIKE MR. HAY HAS A A QUICK QUESTION. UH, I'M, YEAH, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT ONE SMALL VARIATION TO WHAT YOU SAID IN YOUR INTRODUCTION, BECAUSE WE BROUGHT THIS UP AT THE LAST, UM, WORK SESSION. YOU SAID THAT THE RE SUBDIVISION WOULD REMOVE THE CUL-DE-SAC ROADWAY, BUT THAT'S MISLEADING BECAUSE MOST OF THE ROADWAY IS GOING TO REMAIN. IT'S JUST, AS I RECALL, THE CIRCLE AT THE END THAT'S BEING REMOVED. SO IT SOUNDS BIGGER THE WAY YOU SAID IT THAN WHAT THEY . YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. IT'S, IT'S THE BULB OF A CUL-DE-SAC. AND WE CAN HAVE MR. TODD SPEAK TO THAT. I DID WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING. I MENTIONED STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE AND, UM, THAT WAS A TYPO. SO I WILL REMOVE THAT COMMENT FROM MY PRIOR COMMENTS. THERE IS NO STEEP REGULATED STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT. AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. TODD. THANK YOU MR. HAY FOR THE QUESTION. HEY, EVERYONE. HELLO. GOOD TO, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. I'M JUST GONNA SHARE MY SCREEN. JUST TO START, START THIS OUT, UH, UH, YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE, SORRY ABOUT THAT. SORRY ABOUT THAT. MY NAME IS ANDY TODD, UH, FROM GRAYSTONE ON HUDSON. OKAY. SO I'M JUST GONNA MOVE THIS OVER SO IT'S OUTTA MY WAY. OKAY. SO WE'RE PROPOSING A LAND SWAP BETWEEN TWO NEIGHBORS AND THE H O A TO REDISTRIBUTE LAND, SO IT MAKES MORE SENSE RIGHT NOW. THERE, AS YOU'LL SEE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANGE, UM, THAT WOULD MAKE EVERYTHING MAKE A LOT MORE SENSE. UM, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY ADDITIONAL LOTS BUILDINGS OR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES IN THIS PROPOSED LAND STOP. WE'RE JUST PROPOSING TO MOVE LOT LINES. EVERYTHING IS ON PAPER HERE. NOTHING PHYSICALLY CHANGES, NOTHING ADDED. UH, THERE'LL BE LESS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE DUE TO REMOVAL OF THE BULB ABOVE A CUL-DE-SAC, AS WELL AS THE REMOVAL OF A FIRE HYDRANT AND ASSOCIATED PLUMBING. UM, SO THIS IS A MAP OF OUR CURRENT, UM, THE CURRENT, UH, PROPOSED AREA. UM, AND JUST TO EXPLAIN IT, THERE ARE, UM, THE AREA IN GREEN IS ALL OWNED BY ONE OWNER OVER HERE. THE AREA IN BLUE IS OWNED BY ANOTHER OWNER. THE AREA, UM, IN HERE, WHICH IS THE CUL-DE-SAC, IS, UM, OWNED BY THE H O A. THIS BULB OF [04:40:01] THE CUL-DE-SAC IS GOING TO BE, UM, IS GOING TO GO AWAY. AND, UH, THIS WILL STAY AS, UH, AS IT CURRENTLY IS, AS THE DRIVEWAY TO GET OUT OF, OUT OF THE AREA. OKAY. UM, SO I WANTED TO SHOW YOU, UM, THE USE ON THIS LOT. RIGHT? RIGHT NOW THERE'S ONLY A LOT WITH A HOUSE. A LOT WITH A HOUSE. THIS LOT IS JUST BASICALLY A GOLF COURSE. AND THIS LOT HAS, UM, HAS A BIKE RIDING PATH, WHICH IS, UM, PERVIOUS. SO BASICALLY THESE TWO LOTS RIGHT HERE, UM, HAVE NOTHING PER, HAVE NOTHING THAT IS IMPERVIOUS ON THEM. SO IT'S A PRETTY GOOD USE OF THE SPACE. UM, JUST TO SHOW YOU A PICTURE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. SO THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE FIRST, UH, OF LOT OF THE FIRST TWO LOTS. AS YOU CAN SEE. HERE'S WHERE YOU DRIVE FROM. HERE'S THE GREEN, UM, AND THERE'S THE HOUSE. OKAY. UH, JUST 'CAUSE IT'S COOL LOOKING. I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THE GOLF COURSE LOOKS LIKE OVER THERE. UM, THEN WHEN YOU GO BACK TO LOOK AT THE, LOOK AT THE HOUSE AND YOU CAN'T GET IT ALL, IT'S TOO BIG OF AN AREA. IT'S LIKE NINE ACRES OR SOMETHING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, YOU CAN'T GET THIS ALL TOGETHER, BUT JUST TO SHOW YOU WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. UM, THIS IS A LOT. AND THIS IS AGAIN, UM, THE BICYCLE PATH. SO, UM, GOING BACK THIS, THIS LOT RIGHT HERE, LOT FOUR, WHICH IS OWNED BY A DIFF, A DIFFERENT OWNER. UH, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. THIS IS THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. UM, AND YOU, THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU A PRETTY GOOD PERSPECTIVE 'CAUSE IT KIND OF SHOWS YOU, UH, THE TWO HOUSES THAT ARE TOGETHER. UM, IN OUR PROPOSED PLAN, THERE'LL BE SOME SCREENING RIGHT OVER IN THIS AREA TO, UM, TO BLOCK THE TWO HOUSES, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THEY WANNA DO THIS. OKAY? THIS IS THE, UH, CUL-DE-SAC ROAD THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. SO THE BULB OF THE CUL-DE-SAC IS GONNA GO AWAY. THIS IS GONNA STAY AS THEIR DRIVEWAY, UM, AS THEIR PART OF THEIR DRIVEWAY TO GET OUT. THIS, UM, UH, THIS FIRE HYDRANT JUST GET, IT STAYS UNDERGROUND, BUT IT JUST GETS PLUGGED BECAUSE, UM, WHEN WE SPOKE TO GREENBERG, THAT'S WHAT THEY HAD WANTED US TO DO IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. UM, AND SO THE, THE, THERE ARE TWO PROBLEMS WITH, NOT PROBLEMS, BUT THERE ARE TWO REASONS THAT, MAIN REASONS THAT THIS HAS HAPPENED THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THIS. UM, SO THE FIRST REASON IS THAT THIS HOUSE, UM, THIS HOUSE HAS A CUL-DE-SAC, I MEAN A ROAD RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT. SO WE HAVE NO FRONTAGE OUT TO CARRIAGE TRAIL. UH, THE SECOND REASON IS, AND THIS WAS JUST A MISTAKE WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DID THIS, THE LAND, THE LOT LINE KIND OF GOES RIGHT THROUGH THIS HILLSIDE. SO IF ANYTHING EVER HAPPENED TO THE HILLSIDE DOWN BELOW THAT UPFRONT, UM, WOULD KNOW THAT. SO WE'RE BASICALLY GONNA CHANGE THE LOT. WE'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE LOT LINE TO BRING THE, TO BRING THE LOT LINE DOWN TO HERE. WE'RE JUST BASICALLY REDISTRIBUTING, UM, REDISTRIBUTING LAND. SO, UM, THIS IS, UH, THE EXISTING SITE PLAN AS, AS I SHOWED YOU BEFORE, THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, WE'RE NOW KIND OF COMING AROUND AND WE'RE GOING TOWARDS, TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THAT HILL. WE'RE TAKING AWAY THIS AREA AND WE'RE GIVING IT TO THIS GUY OVER HERE. SO HE HAS FRONTAGE ON CARRIAGE TRAIL NOW, AND, UM, IT JUST MAKES MORE SENSE. IT'S, WELL, I GUESS WE WOULD'VE KNOWN IT MADE MORE SENSE EITHER WAY, BUT IT MAKES EVEN MORE SENSE, UM, UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES WITH ONE PERSON OWNING THREE LOTS. UM, SO, UH, THIS IS WHERE THE SCREENING IS GONNA, IS GONNA HAPPEN RIGHT OVER HERE BETWEEN THE TWO LOTS TO, TO BLOCK EACH OTHER OFF. AND, UH, WALTER, YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT THE BIKE PATH, WHICH WAS APPROVED IN THE ORIGINAL PUB MAT THAT WE, UM, THAT WE HAD DONE A WHILE BACK. AND I THINK, I THINK YOU, UH, WE'D ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT. SO, UM, BASICALLY THERE'LL BE LESS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE WITH THE ELIMINATION OF THE CUL-DE-SAC. THERE'LL BE LESS, UM, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE MEANS THAT THERE'S LESS STORM WATER RUNNING INTO TOWN, AND IT REALLY GOES INTO THE VILLAGE OF TARRY TOWN'S, UH, STORM WATER. SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT LESS, UM, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ELIMINATION OF THE FIRE HYDRANT CREATES LESS MAINTENANCE, UH, THE ELIMINATION OF THE ASSOCIATED PLUMBING. IT CREATES LESS MAINTENANCE AND IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD, WHICH WE MAINTAIN, BUT IF THE TOWN EVER HAD TO TAKE BACK THE ROAD, UM, IT WOULD, UH, ELIMINATE THE MAINTENANCE OF THE, OF THIS SECTION OF THE, OF THE ROAD THAT WE'RE ELIMINATING IN THIS WHOLE, IN THIS WHOLE THING. UM, SO THAT IS WHAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS BASICALLY A LOT OF WORDS FOR, WE JUST WANT A LOT LINE MOVE. UM, NO, NOTHING YET, NOTHING ELSE OTHER THAN MOVING LOT LINES WITHIN, WITHIN OUR SITE TO MAKE IT MORE, TO HAVE IT MAKE MORE SENSE. [04:45:02] UH, THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS ON THIS, UH, APPLICATION? I KNOW THAT, UH, WE HAVE SEEN THIS, UH, UH, THIS APPLICATION OF, OF VARIOUS ITERATIONS OF IT. SO I KNOW THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THIS SITE. SO IF THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS, I, UH, OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS APPLICATION. DO WE HAVE ANYONE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IF, UH, IF WE HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? NO ONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK. I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE CHAIRPERSON SIMON? YES. I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. UM, IT, IT'S SOMETIMES TOUGH WHEN THE SHARE SCREEN FUNCTION IS ON. IF YOU COULD TAKE DOWN THE SHARE SCREEN, MR. TODD, WE DO HAVE MR. PINELLA FROM THE VILLAGE OF TERRYTOWN THAT WISHES TO SPEAK. OH, OKAY. UM, UH, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT. HANG ON. THANK YOU. OKAY, MR. PINELLA. WELL, MR. FIRST OF ALL, MR. PINELLA, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME YOU TO, UH, UH, THE GREENBERG PLANNING BOARD. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, UH, OUR BOARD ALWAYS FELT VERY, IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WHEN, UH, PROPERTY IS ADJOURNING, UH, UH, UH, ADJOURNING, UH, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IS THAT WE, UH, SHARE THAT INFORMATION FROM WITH ONE ANOTHER. SO I'M GLAD THAT YOU TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND WISH TO JOIN US THIS EVENING AND LOOK FORWARD WHEN WE HAVE SIMILAR, UH, UH, PROJECTS ALONG OUR BORDER WITH TARRYTOWN THAT, UH, WE'LL BE EQUALLY WELCOME TO, UH, SPEAK AT YOUR PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS. CHAIRMAN SIMON. THANK YOU. HAR. THANK YOU. UH, ANDY, UM, I WAS GONNA WRITE A, UH, WRITE UP A MEMO ON THIS, BUT I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BETTER IF I JUST, UH, JUST SPOKE WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED WITH. UH, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY WITH THE PROGRESS THEY'RE MAKING. WE DON'T WANNA HOLD THE PROJECT UP IN ANY WAY, PERHAPS MAYBE SOME AGREEMENT OR CONDITION. SO I'LL EXPLAIN THE SITUATION WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. UM, IT HAS TO DO WITH RUNOFF. AND, UM, IF I CAN SHARE A VIDEO, UH, I JUST WANT TO, DAN, CAN YOU JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR POSITION FOR THE RECORD? YES, IT IS. MY NAME IS DONATO CANELLA. I AM WITH THE VILLAGE OF TARRYTOWN VILLAGE ENGINEER. SO I'M OH, YOU ARE THE ENGINEERING, NOT THE PLANNING BOARD. OKAY. YES. OKAY. I, I SEE IT ON THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIR, CHAIRMAN SIMON. OKAY. OKAY. AND I, I DID BRING THIS UP TO THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, AND OF COURSE WHEN THERE'S OTHER PROJECTS WE WILL THAT ADJUST THAT ABUT UH, GREENBERG, WE WILL DO THE SAME. UM, BUT I DID BRING THIS UP AT A WORK SESSION. I TOLD 'EM I'D BE COMING TO THE MEETINGS AND, UH, PRESENTING OUR CONCERNS TO, TO THIS BOARD AND, UH, SEE IF WE CAN COME TO SOME KIND OF RESOLUTION. UM, SO BASICALLY IT HAS TO DO WITH, UH, RUNOFF. WE HAVE A, UH, AN AREA WHICH, UM, WHICH IS, HAS COME UP, YOU KNOW, WE DO ALL THESE PLANNING OF PROJECTS AND, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERING AND IT'S GREAT, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS THINGS THAT YOU THAT COME UP AND THEY'RE UNEXPECTED. SO WHAT, WHAT WE SEE IS ON BROWNING LANE, UM, IT'S A LITTLE FURTHER TO THE WEST OR WHERE THESE HOUSES ARE LOCATED. UM, I BELIEVE ANDY WOULD KNOW WHERE IT IS. WE HAVE A 60 COULD, COULD, COULD I INTERRUPT IF, IF BY ANY MEANS COULD, IT'S HARD FOR US TO PICTURE WHAT AREA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITHOUT SEEING IT ON THE SCREEN. SO IT'LL BE VERY HELPFUL IF WE COULD SEE THAT ON THE SCREEN SO WE COULD SEE, UH, WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AS YOU SPEAK ABOUT, I DO NOT HAVE A MAP. ANDY, DO YOU HAVE BY ANY CHANCE A MAP OF YOUR ALL OVERALL SUBDIVISION OR AARON, WHETHER OR NOT YOU COULD BRING THAT UP? UH, I COULD PROBABLY DO, I COULD PROBABLY DO A GOOGLE SEARCH AND JUST PULL UP A MAP OF TARRYTOWN AND THAT MIGHT GIVE US WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. HANG ON. LET ME SEE IF I COULD DO THAT. YEAH, YEAH, I COULD DO THAT AS WELL. UM, THE ONE THING I, I DO WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT MR. PINELLA TIES IN, UH, THE COMMENTS AND CONCERNS RELATIVE TO THE CURRENT PROPOSAL. UM, 'CAUSE I, I CAN UNDERSTAND IF THERE ARE COMMENTS THAT RELATE TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBDIVISION, WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, MAY HAVE BEEN A PRIOR PROJECT. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU TIE THEM TO THIS CURRENT PROPOSAL [04:50:01] FOR A RE SUBDIVISION AND ELIMINATION OF IMPERVIOUS SERVICES. THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I WANTED TO SEE THE MAP, SO WE COULD SEE IF THOSE COMMENTS RELATES TO THIS BECAUSE YES, THAT, THAT IS, UH, SIMILAR CONCERN THAT THIS IS A, UH, LOT LINE MOVEMENT. A MOVEMENT. SO HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO THE ISSUE OF FLOODING? BUT, UH, LET, I WANT YOU TO EX, UH, UH, UH, EXPRESS YOUR CONCERNS SO WE COULD UNDERSTAND THEM AND CONSIDER, SO PLEASE, IF YOU THROW, PUT UP THE MAP AND YOU TALK ABOUT IT, THEN WE COULD SEE IF THAT IS WELL, THE RELEVANCE TO THE LOT LINE, UH, UH, UM, CHANGE. I BELIEVE YOU COULD SEE THE SCREEN AT THIS POINT. YES. SO THE, THE CHANGE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS GONNA BE RIGHT WHERE MY CURSOR IS RIGHT NOW. THAT'S THE BULB THAT ANDY IS REFERRING TO, CORRECT? CORRECT. THE AREA I'M REFERRING TO, YOU'RE CORRECT. IT'S NOT EXACTLY ADJACENT TO IT, BUT SINCE THIS IS KIND OF PART OF THE OVERALL, AND ANDY HAS BEEN COOPERATIVE, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MAKE ISSUES HERE. THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T PUT IT IN WRITING. THE AREA THAT I'M REFERRING TO IS GOING TO BE BASICALLY IN THIS, ALONG THE BORDER BETWEEN GREENBURG AND TARRYTOWN RIGHT. IN THIS AREA. OKAY. BUT, AND THE REASON I BRING THAT UP, IT'S NOT BECAUSE THE SUBDIVISION IS THERE. I THINK IT MIGHT BE COMING FROM THIS AREA OF THE SUBDIVISION. SO WHAT I WAS EXPLAINING IS WE HAVE A 16 INCH, WHICH CONVERTS TO A 20 INCH TRANSMISSION LINE THAT COMES UP ALONG THE BORDER OF TARRYTOWN. AND GREENBURG ULTIMATELY COMES TO THIS LOCATION HERE WHERE WE HAVE OUR WATER RESERVOIR. AND THAT LINE WAS PUT IN, I BELIEVE, IN THE LATE, EARLY TO MID SEVENTIES. SO OVER THE YEARS THINGS HAVE OCCURRED BECAUSE OF THE SUBDIVISION, THIS CARRIAGE TRAIL, THE T HEAD WAS PUT IN THERE. I KNOW THERE'S OTHER LINES THERE. AND WHAT I BELIEVE IS OCCURRING IS STORMWATER IS GETTING IN THE BEDDING OF THE MATERIAL OF THE, THE, OUR, OUR WATER MAIN. AND IT'S COMING DOWN AT THE SIDE AT A, WHERE IT'S THE LEAST RESISTANCE, AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY LIKE IN THIS AREA, AND IT FOLLOWS A PATH AND IT COMES OUT HERE ON BROWNING LANE. SO ALL I'M, I'M ASKING THIS BOARD SINCE ANDY'S ON, AND HE MAY AGREE TO IT, MAY NOT AGREE TO IT, IF IT WOULD BE, HE, HE WOULD PROVIDE US ASSISTANCE IN TRYING TO RESOLVE THIS MATTER, UM, BECAUSE THIS SUB, THIS AREA HERE, IF YOU ANYONE'S BEEN OUT TO THE SITE AND YOU LOOK FROM THE TERRYTOWN SIDE, THAT'S, THAT'S A, IT'S A VERY LARGE MOUNT. IT'S BEEN CREATED, UH, EVEN THOUGH WE SAY IT'S NOT, DOESN'T CREATE RUNOFF, AND WHEN WE CREATE THE STEEP SLOPES, IT DOES HAVE ADDITIONAL RUNOFF. SO, AND WE'VE NOTICED IN THIS AREA, IT'S A LOT WETTER, UH, THAN IT USED TO BE. UH, I KNOW YOU PROVIDED OTHER MEASURES, SO I, I'M JUST REQUESTING TO TRY AND SOLVE MAYBE ONE PROBLEM AT A TIME SO IT DOESN'T IMPACT OUR RESIDENTS, SO, OKAY. OKAY. WELL, AS WAS NOTED, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY RELATED TO THIS PROJECT. UH, YOU'VE, YOU'VE INDICATED, UH, THAT, UH, MR. TODD AND I THINK MR. TODD CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU THAT'S REALLY NOT RELATED TO THIS APPLICATION. UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS, I DON'T THINK THIS REALLY IMPACTS THE CUL-DE-SAC AND THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT WE APPRECIATE AND WE LIKE, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH YOU, AND I THINK MR. TODD HAS HEARD YOUR CONCERNS AND HE CAN ADDRESS THEM, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, BACK TO YOU, BACK TO YOU IN THE VILLAGE. YES. AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WHILE YOU'RE CORRECT, IT DOESN'T, THIS APPLICATION IS NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO IT, BUT THE SUBDIVISION THAT WAS CREATED MAY HAVE CAUSED THIS. SO INDIRECTLY IT'S OVERALL IMPACTS COMES BACK TO THAT. SO, YEAH. UH, AND I FULLY, I, I FULLY CAN APPRECIATE THAT STATEMENT AND THAT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE THAT COULD BE, UH, MAYBE IT'S NOT A INDEED A FACT, BUT I CAN APPRECIATE THE CONCERN. BUT WHETHER OR NOT WE, UH, APPROVE THIS, UH, SUBDIVISION THAT WOULD HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT ON THAT PROBLEM. [04:55:01] AND IF THE CALCULATION, WHICH I ASSUME IS CORRECT FROM, UH, IN TERMS OF THE DECREASE IN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, UH, UH, THAT, UH, MR. TODD HAS, UH, UH, INDICATED, AND OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WILL OF COURSE VERIFY THE, THE, UH, THE, THE IMPACT OF THIS WILL BE A DECREASE IN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. SO THAT DOES NOT ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE. THAT MIGHT, MIGHT BE TRUE, OR WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE TRUE OR NOT, BUT THE WHAT HA WHAT WE DECISION WE MAKE ON THE, ON THE SUBDIVISION WILL NOT HAVE ANY EFFECT ON, ON THIS ONGOING PROBLEM THAT YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED. SO YES. SO WE CAN APPRECIATE THAT THAT COULD, MIGHT BE AN ISSUE, BUT WE CANNOT RELATE THAT TO THIS APPLICATION, MR. SLOTS, JUST VERY SIMPLY, THEY ARE DEFINITELY TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES. RIGHT. MR. TODD, IS IT POSSIBLE YOU COULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, UH, WITH MR. PINELLA OFFLINE? MAY I, AND ALSO REPORT BACK TO AARON AS TO HOW THAT DISCUSSION WENT? IS THAT POSSIBLE? YES. OKAY. OKAY. MR. PINELLA, DOES THAT SATISFIED YOUR NEEDS FOR, UH, FOR THAT, THAT, THAT WE ARE NOW AWARE OF IT? WE HAVE ASKED MR. TODD TO MEET WITH YOU AND GET BACK TO US WITH HOW, WHAT'S GOING ON? OKAY. UH, THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO TONIGHT. AND AS, AS, UH, BOTH CHAIRMAN SIMON AND, UH, MR. FRIED SAID, UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT HAS NO IMPACT. IN FACT, IF ANYTHING, IT WOULD'VE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON YOUR ISSUE. BUT I UNDERSTAND YOUR ISSUE. THESE THINGS DO COME UP AFTER, AFTER THE FACT SOMETIMES ON AN, YOU KNOW, UNANTICIPATED AND MR. TODD WHO HAS BEEN WITH US HAS BEEN, BEEN VERY, VERY OPEN, AND I'M SURE WITH YOU AS WELL, I'M SURE HE WILL MEET WITH YOU IF HE DOESN'T LET US KNOW. OKAY. THAT THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT WE CAN OFFER TO MAKE. IS THAT FAIR? UH, YEAH, THAT'S FAIR. I GUESS I'M NOT, WASN'T LOOKING TO HOLD A PROJECT UP IN ANY WAY. UH, IF YOU WERE GOING TO CONSIDER MOVING FORWARD, I WAS JUST THE ONLY REQUEST I'D HAVE. I APPRECIATE TRYING TO, AND ANDY'S ALWAYS BEEN COOPERATIVE WITH US, UM, JUST AS A CONDITION THAT HE WOULD JUST ASSIST IN, IN TRYING TO DETERMINE, I DIDN'T SAY FIX, TRY TO DETERMINE WHAT THE SOURCE IS, AND WE COULD WORK ON THAT AS WE GO ALONG. SO YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING TO GET OUT OF TONIGHT'S MEETING. YEAH. AND MR. JOHN HAS AGREED, HAS AGREED TO DO THAT, AND ALSO TO KEEP US INFORMED AS TO WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT. SO, WE'LL, UH, LET'S GET TO THAT STEP, SEE WHAT HAPPENS, AND THEN TAKE IT FROM THERE, BUT AS A SEPARATE ISSUE FROM TONIGHT'S MEETING. OKAY? OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WE'RE GOING BACK TO, UH, UH, TO QUEST FOR AMENDED SITE PLAN AND PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION. UH, DO, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, UH, FROM PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS BEFORE I ASK FOR A VOTE ON THE AMENDED SITE PLAN AND THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION CHAIRPERSON, SIMON? YEAH. UM, JUST A QUICK NOTE BEFORE YOU, UM, ASK IF THERE, WE HAVE GOTTEN COMMENTS FROM MR. PINNELL AND WE APPRECIATE THOSE. BEFORE YOU ASK FOR ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, JUST IN THE EVENT THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE, I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU CONSIDER, UM, UH, DOING THE SEEKER, BECAUSE THIS DOES INVOLVE A RE SUBDIVISION, UM, RIGHT. SO IT DOES QUALIFY AS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SEEKER FOR TWO VOTES. AND, UM, AND YEAH, TWO VOTES. TWO VOTES, EXACTLY. OKAY. I, I WILL, I'LL MOVE THAT. UH, THIS, THIS PROJECT IS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SEEKER. SECOND. SECOND. OH, OKAY. MONA, SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. SECOND. THE SECOND MOTION WOULD BE, UH, THAT, UH, I JUST LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. THE SECOND TO CONSIDER A NEGATIVE. THANK YOU, NEC. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I FORGOT WHAT THOSE WORDS MEANT. I MOVED THAT WE DECLARE A NEGATIVE. I'VE BEEN AROUND WALTER TOO LONG. THAT'S WHAT IT, IT IS. HE'S DRAINED MY BRAIN. OKAY. . UM, I, I MOVE THAT WE MAKE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION ON THIS PROJECT. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? NONE. OKAY. IT. OKAY. AND DO WE HAVE ANY, ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISH TO SPEAK NOW AS [05:00:01] PART OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME? I DON'T BELIEVE WE DO OKAY WITH, WITHOUT ANY, UH, ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON THIS. I, I, I WILL ENTERTAIN THE MOTION TO AMEND, UH, THE SITE PLAN AND, UM, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, ACTUALLY. YEAH. WE CAN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING CHAIRPERSON SIMON, AND LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN FOR, UH, ONE WEEK. STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND, UM, I IMAGINE THAT MR. TODD WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH MR. PINELLA WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK AND BE ABLE TO GET BACK TO US AHEAD OF THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, RENDERING ANY DECISION ON THIS PROJECT AT ITS NOVEMBER 17TH MEETING. OKAY. SO WE'D RECOMMEND THAT, UM, THE PLANNING BOARD CONSIDER CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LEAVING THE RECORD OPEN THROUGH NOVEMBER 10TH. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED. UH, SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. PROPOSE. OKAY, NOW OPPOSED? THEN THE NEXT MOTION IS TO, UH, A MOTION TO CLOSE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING. I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL JUST CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. AT THIS NO, NO. AT THIS POINT, NO, NO, NO. AT THIS POINT, WE JUST NEED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING , AND GO BACK TO WORK SESSION. I'LL SECOND GO BACK TO WORK HERE. WORK SESSION . OKAY. AND KURT, SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? YEAH. AYE. AYE. OKAY. OKAY. SO WE WILL THEN GO BACK INTO WORK SESSION. UH, BARBARA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU EVERYONE. THANK YOU. GOODNIGHT EVERYBODY. GOODNIGHT. BARBARA. BARBARA GOODNIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOODNIGHT, BARBARA. GOODNIGHT. OKAY, JUST, UM, REAL QUICK, UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE NEXT PROJECT, CHAIRPERSON SIMON THERE, I JUST WANNA ANNOUNCE FOR SOME FOLKS IT APPEARS WE MAY HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE STILL ON FOR PROJECTS THAT WERE ALREADY DISCUSSED. JUST WANNA ANNOUNCE I SEE, I SEE MR. RETI ON AND, UM, HE WAS HERE FOR THE 66TH BEACH STREET PROJECT. UH, I TRIED ACTUALLY TEXTING HIM ON HIS CELL PHONE TO LET HIM KNOW THAT WE ALREADY DEALT WITH 66TH BEACH STREET. SO IF HE WANTS TO SIGN OFF, HE, HE'S FREE TO DO THAT. IF HE WANTS TO STAY ON AND WATCH THE REST OF THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING, HE'S CERTAINLY FREE TO DO THAT AS WELL. UM, AND THEN WE DO ALSO HAVE, WELL, IF, IF, IF HE MISSED IT, YOU COULD RELAY TO HIM WITH THE DECISION, I MOST CERTAINLY WILL. OKAY. SO, UM, MR. PETTI, THE 66 BEACH PROJECT WAS EXTENDED, THE APPROVALS WERE, UH, EXTENDED BY THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, FOR A PERIOD OF THREE YEARS, VALID THROUGH MAY, 2023. SO, UM, WE LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, RECEIVING THE BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION IN SHORT ORDER AND, AND GETTING A NICE PROJECT BUILT AT THAT SITE. UM, AND YOU'RE FREE TO SIGN OFF OR STAY ON IF YOU WISH. AND THEN THERE'S, UM, GENTLEMAN ARUN JAVARI, AND I BELIEVE MR. JAVARI MAY HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN THE FOUNTAIN HEAD APARTMENTS PROJECT. UM, I DID TRY AND CHAT WITH YOU THROUGH THE CHAT FUNCTION TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT PROPOSAL WAS ALREADY REVIEWED AND DISCUSSED BY THE PLANNING BOARD. UM, AND THE PLANNING BOARD ACTUALLY VOTED ON A DECISION THERE TO REQUIRE THAT EITHER A, UM, SIX FOOT HIGH WHITE VINYL FENCE BE INSTALLED IF THE APPLICANT DISAGREES THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO REPLACE IT WITH A SIX FOOT HIGH WOODEN FENCE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PRIOR APPROVAL, UH, AND THE CONDITION OF THE PRIOR APPROVAL. SO WE CAN SPEAK MORE ABOUT IT TOMORROW IF YOU WISH, BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAY ON FOR THE MEETING IF YOU'RE NOT INTERESTED IN ANYTHING ELSE. OKAY? ALRIGHT. AND, UM, SORRY FOR THAT BRIEF DELAY, BUT I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO KEEP PEOPLE ON LONGER THAN THEY NEEDED TO. VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD. THE NEXT PROJECT IS, UM, CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 27, RENARD SELF STORAGE, LOCATED AT 42 DASH 44 HAYES STREET, PO ELMSFORD IN THE LI LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT IS APPEAR APPEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD THIS EVENING AS PART OF A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE TO DISCUSS A POTENTIAL FUTURE SITE PLAN APPLICATION INVOLVING THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN APPROXIMATELY 140,000 SQUARE FOOT FIVE STORY SELF-STORAGE FACILITY ON A PROPERTY THAT SPANS BOTH THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD AND THE TOWN OF GREENBURG. A PORTION OF THE SITE SITUATED WITHIN THE VILLAGE CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 25,350 SQUARE FEET, WHILE THE PORTION OF THE SITE SITUATED WITHIN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 19,650 SQUARE FEET. PROPERTIES ARE SITUATED ON [05:05:01] THE NORTHERLY SIDE OF HAVEN STREET BETWEEN HAYES STREET AND FERRAN AVENUE. THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DAVID STEINMAN ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, MR. STEINMAN. BUT BEFORE YOU START, I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT THAT, UH, I REMIND THE BOARD THIS IS A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE. SO WE ARE NOT HERE TO SOLVE ANY PROBLEMS, OR OUR PURPOSE HERE IS TO RAISE ISSUES THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD ADDRESS WHEN THEY FILE THEIR OFFICIAL APPLICATION. SO IT'S FOR US TO, TO MAKE MR. STEINS AWARE THAT WE HAVE A CONCERN OF A OR B AND C, THEN IT'S UP TO MR. STEINMAN TO FIGURE OUT HOW HE'S GONNA ADDRESS IT. WE ARE NOT HERE TO REDESIGN THE DESIGN THE PROJECT. WE ARE HERE TO GIVE HIM DIRECTION OF HOW THE CONCERNS HE MUST TAKE IN EFFECT WHEN HE IS COMING UP WITH A FINAL PLAN. OKAY, MR. SIMON, THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD. GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL. BEEN BEEN A WHILE. NICE. NICE TO BE BACK. UM, AND BECAUSE I THINK DIEGO AND I ARE GLUTTONS FOR PUNISHMENT, WE DECIDED TO COME BACK WITH A COMPLICATED PROJECT THAT SHOULDN'T BE SO COMPLICATED. UM, I AM VERY PLEASED TO BE HERE REPRESENTING RENARD SELF-STORAGE. WE'VE GOT OUR WHOLE TEAM HERE FOR THIS PRE-SUBMISSION DISCUSSION. WE WILL TRY TO BE EFFICIENT. I'M JOINED TONIGHT BY DINO THOMASETTI, UH, AND TOM ANTONITO FROM RE RENARD, UH, THEIR PROJECT DESIGNER, MICHAEL SEG, MY COLLEAGUE, UM, WHO YOU HAVE NOT PREVIOUSLY MET DOMINIQUE ALBANO. UM, DIEGO VILLA IS HERE FROM J M C ALONG WITH PAUL DUMONT. UM, WE, WE SPENT SOME TIME MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UM, WITH STAFF BOTH HERE IN GREENBURG, AS WELL AS IN ELMSFORD BEFORE WE EVEN DECIDED TO REACH OUT AND COME BEFORE THE BOARD. WE, WE, WE ARE HERE OBVIOUSLY IN CONNECTION WITH A SELF-STORAGE APPLICATION. UM, AS THE CHAIR INDICATED, IT'S, UH, LOCATED, UM, UH, AT HAYES AND NAPER HAND, UH, AT AN INTERESTING INTERSECTION IN A SECTION OF ELMSFORD AND GREENBURG THAT IS IRONICALLY, BOTH COMMUNITIES ZONED LI BOTH COMMUNITIES, UH, BY, BY ZONING THE SITE. LI IT IS A LAWFUL USE IN BOTH COMMUNITIES. UM, NOT SURPRISINGLY, UH, THE CODES ARE DIFFERENT. UH, THE ELMSFORD CODE IS, UM, IS FAR LESS RESTRICTIVE. AND IN FACT, WE BELIEVE WE CAN, UH, DO THE PORTION OF THE PROJECT THAT'S IN ELMSFORD WITHOUT THE NEED FOR ANY VARIANCES. CONVERSELY, UH, THE PORTION OF THE SITE THAT'S IN GREENBURG IS, UM, RATHER RESTRICTED, UM, IN TERMS OF BULK CRITERIA AND IT WOULD NECESSITATE, UM, UH, A NUMBER OF VARIANCES. ALL OF THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, OUR CLIENTS, UM, WERE QUITE WELL AWARE OF THIS. DIEGO AND HIS TEAM AND I, AND MINE MADE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD THIS. AND THEY GENUINELY BELIEVE THIS REMAINS A TERRIFIC LOCATION FOR SELF-STORAGE. WE KNOW AT THE OUTSET, UM, AND YOU, YOU MUST REALIZE, DIEGO, AND I KNOW THIS, THAT ALL OF YOU ARE WONDERING WHY IS J M C AND Z AND S BACK WITH ANOTHER SELF-STORAGE APPLICATION KNOWING THAT WE'VE PROCESSED OTHERS BEFORE YOUR BOARD, KNOWING THAT THERE ARE OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY. AND, UM, THOUGH WE DON'T NEED TO BELABOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, IF YOUR BOARD WANTS TO HEAR IT, RENARD IS READY TO EXPLAIN PRECISELY WHY THERE IS A CONTINUING DEMAND IN THE GREENBERG GREATER COMMUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL SELF STORAGE. A AS, AS MUCH FUN AS THEY KNOW THIS APPLICATION WILL BE. UH, THEY ARE HERE NOT FOR THE FRONT OF THE APPLICATION, BUT BECAUSE THERE'S A, A CLEAR DEMAND, UM, FOR THIS, FOR THIS USE. THEY BELIEVE 140,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, RATHER ATTRACTIVE SELF-STORAGE BUILDING BUILT OVER FIVE ACRES ON THIS SITE WORKS. IT WORKS IN TERMS OF VEHICULAR CIRCULATION, PARKING, ET CETERA. WE'RE HERE REALLY FOR ONE PRIMARY REASON, IT'S A LOT EASIER TO FILE AND PROCESS THIS APPLICATION IN THE ELMSFORD SIDE BECAUSE THERE WERE NO VARIANCES REQUIRED. AND WE KNOW WE SATISFIED THE BULK CRITERIA THAN IT IS ON THE GREENBERG SIDE. SO DIEGO AND I LITERALLY HAVE HAD DIFFICULTY FIGURING OUT PRECISELY HOW TO EVEN ARTICULATE THE ZONING BULK TABLE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT BEFORE YOU, AND THEN FIGURING OUT THE PROCESS. WE'RE READY FOR THE PROCESS. WE'RE EXCITED TO DEAL WITH YOUR BOARD. WE'RE EXCITED TO DEAL WITH THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. WE WANTED YOU TO MEET RENARD. WE'RE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THE DEMOGRAPHIC DEMAND AND MARKET DEMAND ISSUE. AND WE CAN BRIEFLY RUN THROUGH SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE SITE PLAN HYPOTHETICALLY WOULD LOOK LIKE. WE HAVE NOT FILED ANYTHING. UM, IT WORKS. I'M [05:10:01] HAPPY TO MR. CHAIRMAN, TURN IT OVER TO DIEGO FOR A, A VERY BRIEF EXPLANATION OF THE SITE, UNLESS THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A VERY BRIEF EXPLANATION OF WHY SELF-STORAGE AT THIS LOCATION. WELL, I, I WOULD LIKE TO, I, UH, SOME OF BOTH WITH THE, ONE OF THE, UH, OF COURSE WE WANNA UNDERSTAND THE PROJECT. AND THEN, UH, AND THEN FROM THAT WE COULD THEN OUTLINE SOME CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE. AND I'M QUITE SURE ONE OF THE CONCERNS I COULD GUARANTEE, BECAUSE I'M GONNA MAKE IT, ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS, UH, WHY THIS UNIT AT THAT SITE AND WHETHER OR NOT GREENBURG IS GOING TO BE THE STORAGE CENTER OF WESTCHESTER COUNTY. THAT'S WILL BE A CONCERN, BUT LET'S HEAR WHAT YOUR PRESENTATION IS BET SO WE GET A OVERALL UNDERSTANDING OF IT. AND THEN WE COULD GO BACK TO SAY, UH, THESE ARE THE 1, 2, 3, 4 ISSUES THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU ADDRESS, UH, WHEN YOU COME BACK WITH A FORMAL APPLICATION. VERY WELL, DIEGO. UH, YOU'RE ON MUTE. YOU CAN, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE YOU'RE ON MUTE, DIEGO, BUT WE, WE ARE UNABLE TO HEAR YOU. HOW ABOUT NOW ONCE WE THERE, YOU'RE, THERE YOU GO. THERE WE GO. AND WE HAVE ENABLED THE SHARE SCREEN FUNCTION THAT'S APPROPRIATE. THANK YOU, AARON. JUST, UH, AGAIN FOR THE RECORD, UH, DIEGO VI WITH J M C, UH, THE ENGINEERS AND PLANNERS WORKING, UH, FOR THE APPLICANTS, UH, AS THE REQUESTED. I AM GONNA SHARE MY SCREEN. I DO JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF EXHIBITS FOR YOU THIS EVENING. LET ME KNOW WHEN THAT COMES UP. STILL WAITING ON IT, DIEGO? NOT HERE YET. WE, WE KNOW IT SAYS YOU'RE SHARING, BUT THERE'S, WE'RE NOT SEEING ANYTHING. OKAY. NO, IT, IT'S THE, UH, IT MIGHT BE JUST LOADING. GIVE IT ONE SECOND. DID YOU CLICK ON THE, ON THE PAGE YOU WANTED ON THERE? 'CAUSE IT, YOU JUST, THERE'S NOTHING COMING UP. DIEGO, CAN YOU GUYS STILL HEAR ME SCREEN? UNFORTUNATELY THE ZOOM FROZE UP ON ME. GIVE IT ONE SECOND HERE. HERE WE GO. WE GO. GOT IT. GOT IT. DID WE GET IT? YEP. YES SIR. ALRIGHT, SORRY ABOUT THAT. ALRIGHT, SO JUST TAKE A COUPLE EXHIBITS FOR YOU THIS EVENING. THE FIRST ONE IS AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH, JUST, YOU KNOW, HELPFUL TO GIVE YOU CONTEXT WITH THE LOCATION RELATIVE TO ROUTE NINE A, WHICH IS SHOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE HERE. UH, YOU HAVE 2 87, THAT'S JUST OFF TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. NORTH IS STRAIGHT UP HAVEN STREET CUTS RIGHT THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE PAGE. AND THEN YOU SEE THE ONE ACRE PROPERTY THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN RED, PORTED BY NHE AVENUE TO THE EAST AND HAY STREET TO THE WEST. UM, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE EXISTING AERIAL, THE BUILDING ITSELF, UH, TAKES UP A MAJORITY OF THE SITE AND THE BALANCE OF IT IS REALLY A PARKING AREA. UM, THERE'S PARKING IN FRONT. THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CURB CUTS IN AND AROUND THE PROPERTY ITSELF. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA AS WELL OF THE CONDITION OF THE EXISTING ROADWAY AND WHAT IS HAPPENING IN AND AROUND, UH, THE PROPERTY ITSELF. UM, GOING BACK TO THIS, THE SECOND EXHIBIT IS THE SITE PLAN ITSELF. SO IN MEETING, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT WITH RENAR, WE WENT THROUGH A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ITERATIONS TO TRY TO STRATEGICALLY LOCATE THE BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY. AND IT REALLY IS QUITE SIMPLE. IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING IS GONNA OCCUPY A MAJORITY OF THE SITE AND YOU COULD SEE IT ON THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY HERE. AND THEN THE PARKING ACCESS AND LOADING WOULD BE ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY HERE. UM, A AS AARON AND DAVID HAD INDICATED, YOU KNOW, THE SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN BOTH THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD AND THE TOWN OF GREENBURG. AND THAT BISECTING LINE IS RIGHT HERE. YOU COULD SEE IT RIGHT ALONG THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE. SO THE BOTTOM HALF OF THE PAGE IS WHAT'S LOCATED IN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD, WHICH INCLUDES THE PARKING AREAS, THE LOADING, AND THE FRONT PORTION OF THE BUILDING. AND THEN THE BACK PORTION OF THE BUILDING ITSELF, UM, EXTENDS WITHIN TO GREENBERG. THERE IS NO PARKING, THERE'S NO ACCESS POINTS, ANYTHING PROPOSED ON THE GREENBERG SIDE OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF. THE ACCESS WOULD BE, UH, FROM TWO LOCATIONS, NHEM AVENUE AND HAYES STREET. IT WAS REALLY INTENDED TO DESIGN JUST THE THROUGH ACCESS. SO YOU'RE ABLE TO PULL [05:15:01] INTO THE PROPERTY PARK, YOUR VEHICLE PARK, UM, UH, THE LOADING INTO ONE OF THE LOADING ZONES THAT'S PROPOSED. UH, IT'S ACTUALLY RECESSED UNDER THE BUILDING. YOU COULD SEE THIS CUTOUT IN THIS AREA HERE. UH, SO YOU HAVE PARKING THAT'S UP AGAINST HAVEN STREET, THE LOADING SPACES UP AGAINST THE BUILDING ITSELF, AND THEN DIRECT ACCESS INTO THE BUILDING. YOU COULD SEE THE GENERAL CONFIGURATION OF THE UNITS AND THE WALKWAYS WITHIN THE BUILDING. AGAIN, IT IS SELF STORAGE. SO IT IS RELATIVELY A STRAIGHTFORWARD BUILDING. THE BUILDING IS SET BACK ABOUT 54 55 FEET FROM HAVEN STREET, AND IT'S SET BACK, UH, 12 AND A HALF FEET FROM EITHER PROPERTY LINE. UH, AS DAVID HAD INDICATED, ALL OF THAT SATISFIES THE CRITERIA OR THE BULK ZONING CRITERIA WITHIN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD. SO EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE ALONG THE FRONT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY HERE, ALL THE CRITERIA, THE BULK CRITERIA INCLUDING COVERAGE, SETBACKS, ACCESS, PARKING, ET CETERA, ARE ALL SATISFIED. IT'S ONLY WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AS A WHOLE AND TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THEI DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG THAT WE RUN INTO THOSE NON-COMPLIANT, UH, BULK REQUIREMENTS. UM, SIDE YARD SETBACKS, REAR YARD SETBACKS, UM, ALL THOSE ITEMS. I MEAN, THE SIDE YARD SETBACKS IN THIS DISTRICT ALONE ARE 50 FEET. AND YOU COULD SEE VERY QUICKLY IF WE APPLIED, AND I'M JUST GONNA TRY TO MARK IT UP VERY QUICKLY HERE. IF WE TRIED TO APPLY A 50 FOOT SETBACK TO THIS PROPERTY, IT WOULD COME INTO THIS AREA AND SEVERELY SHRINK AND LIMIT THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING THAT COULD BE CONSTRUCTED THERE WHILE JUST TO THE SOUTH, YOU COULD CONSTRUCT A MUCH LARGER BUILDING. UM, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT ITSELF IS JUST OVER 28,000 SQUARE FEET. UH, IT IS A FIVE STORY BUILDING THAT IS PROPOSED, AGAIN, FULLY COMPLIANT WITH WHAT'S PERMITTED WITHIN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD. AND THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WOULD FACE HAVEN STREET. UH, THE BUILDING ITSELF IS A VERY ATTRACTIVE BUILDING, UH, WHAT I BELIEVE IS A GREAT IMPROVEMENT TO WHAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. UM, THERE WERE SOME ELEVATIONS AND SOME PERSPECTIVES THAT WERE PREPARED THAT, UH, I'D LIKE TO PUT UP ON THE SCREEN AS WELL. VERY QUICKLY, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE, THE TYPE OF BUILDING THAT WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED IN THIS LOCATION. AGAIN, A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT, UH, FROM SOME OF THE BUILDINGS IN AND AROUND THE AREA THERE. UPDATED LANDSCAPING ALONG THE FRONTAGES OF THE PROPERTY ON ALL THE DIFFERENT SIDES AND, UM, UH, JUST AN OVERALL IMPROVEMENT TO THE PROPERTY. BUT AS DAVID HAD INDICATED, YOU KNOW, THE ZONING IS THE CHALLENGING PIECE FOR US HERE. UH, STILL NOT QUITE CERTAIN HOW TO HANDLE AND WHAT EXACTLY WHAT VARIANCES ARE REQUIRED TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROJECT. UH, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANTED TO GET A HANDLE ON, UH, DURING THESE INITIAL MEETINGS WITH YOUR BOARD HERE. AND, UH, AS YOU ALLUDED TO, MR. CHAIRMAN, WANNA JUST TRY TO UNDERSTAND ANY COMMENTS, CONCERNS THAT THE BOARD MAY HAVE. WE HAVE NOT PREPARED A FULL SITE PLAN SET AT THIS POINT. UH, THE HOPE IS THAT WE RECEIVE SOME OF YOUR COMMENTS, YOUR FEEDBACK, AND WE CAN INCORPORATE IN THE SET THIS WAY WHEN WE DO COME IN WITH A FULL APPLICATION, WHERE'RE ALL HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. ONE FINAL COMMENT JUST TO, TO GO BEHIND DIEGO DID THAT, NEITHER OF US MENTIONED. UM, DIEGO, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE, UM, THE VICINITY AERIAL. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID DISCUSS WITH STAFF, UM, WHEN, WHEN LOOKING AT THE, UM, GREENBERG CRITERIA, BOTH CRITERIA, VIRTUALLY NONE OF THE PROPERTIES IN AND AROUND HAYES, NAP HAVEN, ET CETERA, NONE OF THESE SITES COMPLY WITH YOUR LI BULK. UM, THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL EITHER NON COMPLYING OR PRE-EXISTING NON-CONFORMING AND NON-COMP COMPLYING. UM, WE, WE POINT THAT OUT SIMPLY TO SAY THAT WHILE WE COMPLETELY RECOGNIZE THAT THIS APPLICATION DOES NOT COMPLY WITH GREENBERG'S ZONING BULK, NO ONE ELSE IN THE AREA DOES EITHER. SO, UM, WE ARE HOPING THAT YOUR BOARD AND REALLY JURISDICTIONALLY THE ZONING BOARD CAN LOOK BEYOND THAT AND ACKNOWLEDGE WHY WE BELIEVE THE VARIANCES DO NOT RESULT IN A DETRIMENTAL IMPACT TO SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS AND THAT THE BENEFIT TO THE APPLICANT OUTWEIGHS ANY DETRIMENT TO THE COMMUNITY. SO IN SOME WAYS WE ARE ASKING YOU, UM, TO LOOK PAST THE BULK CRITERIA. THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR THE ZONING BOARD, BUT WE WOULD NEVER START THERE. OBVIOUSLY, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, WE WANTED TO START HERE. WE WANTED TO GET YOUR REACTION AND WE'RE HOPING WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO IMPROVE THIS SECTION OF GREENBERG AND ELMSFORD WITH AN ATTRACTIVE, FUNCTIONAL, MINIMALLY IMPACTFUL BUILDING. DAVID, I JUST REFRESH MY MEMORY. I YEAH, I HAVE TO SAY QUESTION. WE THINK ABOUT THE SAME QUESTION YOU WE TALKED ABOUT. YEAH, GO, GO [05:20:01] AHEAD. I THOUGHT WHEN WE DID, WHEN YOU DID THE, THE STUFF, I THOUGHT IT WAS THE STUFF ON NINE A, YOU HAD DONE AN ANALYSIS FOR US ON BULK, ON THE BULK REQUIREMENTS FOR THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES. AM I CORRECT ON THAT? WAS IT DIEGO? I'M I'M NOT, BUT DIEGO, DID WE DO A GEN, LIKE A GENERAL ANALYSIS OF BOTH? I DON'T RECALL THAT THAT WAS FOCUSED, UH, HUGH MOSTLY ON THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS LOOKED INTO. OH, OKAY. THAT'S RIGHT. PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT REALLY FOCUSED IN ON BUILDING SETBACKS, WHAT'S APPROPRIATE FROM THAT STANDPOINT, WE WERE TRYING TO REALLY HONE IN ON THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. OKAY. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. UM, FOR, FOR THAT TYPE OF USE. AND EVEN WITH WHAT WE CAME OUT THERE, WE STILL FELT IT WAS A PRETTY HIGH NUMBER FOR A SELF-STORAGE USE. NOT NECESSARILY A WAREHOUSE USE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT FOR A SELF-STORAGE USE, WE ENDED UP WITH A HIGHER NUMBER THAN WE FOCUSED ON WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE, I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL. AND AGAIN, THE, THE, A LOT OF THIS DECISION, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW YOU FIGURE THE ZONING ON THIS BECAUSE ALL THE PARKING , I MEAN, IF I LOOK AT IT AND, AND SPLIT THE BILL BUILDING IN HALF THE WAY YOU SPLIT IT, WE HAVE NO PARKING WHATSOEVER ON OUR SIDE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU, HOW YOU CALCULATE THAT. THE FIRST THING I WOULD DO THOUGH, I THINK IT COULD BE VERY HELPFUL. I MEAN, WE, WE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT WE NEED TO BE CONSTANTLY LOOKING AT UPDATING OUR CODE. SO SOMETHING THAT COULD BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL HERE IS TO GET AN IDEA OF THE BULK REQUIREMENTS FOR THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES IN OUR SURROUND FOR WITH THOSE SURROUNDING VILLAGES AND MUNICIPALITIES, IF YOU COULD POSSIBLY DO THAT. EXACTLY. YOU'VE DONE THAT FOR US IN THE PAST. EXACTLY. YES, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT. I, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION, HUGH. THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS WHEN WE DO THAT, LET, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AND DISTINGUISH BETWEEN DOING THEM IN A PURELY SUBURBAN CONTEXT AND IN A MORE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, SEMI-URBAN CONTEXT. 'CAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT ELMSFORD GREENBERG SECTION THERE IS UNLIKE MOST SECTIONS OF WESTCHESTER COUNTY, UH, THE, I CAN JUST ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION, WALTER. YEAH. DO YOU WANNA GO? NO, YOUR FRIEND. GO AHEAD. OKAY. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, I NOTICED THERE'S A, A LITTLE, LITTLE RIVER CALLED THE SAWMILL RIVER. AWFULLY CLOSE TO THIS. HOW DO, WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE FLOODPLAIN THERE? IS THAT AN ISSUE? YEAH, THAT, AND THAT'S EXCELLENT POINT AS ALL. IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING WE BROUGHT UP SINCE DAY ONE AS WELL. WE ACKNOWLEDGED AND WE BROUGHT THIS UP WITH THE APPLICANT, THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS ON THIS PROPERTY AS WELL. WE DO ENCROACH WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN ITSELF. WE NEED TO GET THE SPECIFIC ELEVATIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE COMPLY WITH ALL OF YOUR REQUIREMENTS. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE FLAGGED. MM-HMM. , UH, PRETTY MUCH THE FIRST DAY WE LOOKED AT THIS PROPERTY WITH THE APPLICANT, WE BROUGHT IT UP AND WE CERTAINLY WILL ADDRESS IT WITH OUR, UH, FLOODPLAIN PERMIT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SORRY, WALTER, GO AHEAD. PIGGY BACKING OFF THAT WALTER, JUST, UH, STICKING ON THE FLOODPLAIN DIEGO, DO YOU KNOW IF IT'S WITHIN THE 100 YEAR OR THE 500 YEAR? WHERE HAS THAT YET TO BE DETERMINED? NO, IT'S WITHIN THE 100 YEAR, BASED ON THE MAPS. I WILL CHECK THE LIMITS OF THE 500 YEAR FLOODPLAIN AS WELL. AND, UM, I HAVE A FEELING, I THINK I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE HEADED THAT WITH THAT, BUT I, IT'S, I WILL CHECK THE MAPS AND I, I MIGHT BE EVEN ABLE TO PULL IT UP WHILE WE'RE ON THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW. OKAY. JUST BE AWARE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THOSE DEFINITIONS ARE ANYMORE. I MEAN, THE 100 YEARS, ONCE A YEAR OR TWICE A YEAR, THE 500 YEAR, MAYBE ONCE EVERY TWO OR THREE YEARS NOW I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE THOSE DEFINITIONS ANYMORE. YEAH. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU, UH, IN TERMS OF, UH, OF THE FLOOD PLANE IN THAT AREA, UH, I, A ENGINEER, UH, FOR A DIFFERENT APPLICANT, UH, DID EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF WORK YEAH. ON THE FLOOD, UH, FLOOD PLANE IN THAT AREA. UH, UH, UH, FEW, I GUESS IN THAT GENERAL AREA. SO I HAVE A LOT OF DATA. SO YOU COULD SPEAK TO, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT AND, UH, HE COULD TELL YOU THE, THE NAME OF THAT FIRM, WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO CONTACT THEM AND, AND, UH, FOR THAT DATA. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD DO BECAUSE HE DID EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF WORK, UH, IN THE FLOOD PLAIN AND GAVE A COMPELLING, UH, UH, TECHNICAL, UH, UH, SUPPORT OF, OF THAT APPLICATION. SO IT WAS A LOT OF WORK. SO THAT'S SOMETHING. THE OTHER THING IN TERMS OF, TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT, UH, UH, MY C SHU SAID IN TERMS OF, OF OUR CODES AND LOOKING AT OTHER AREAS TO SEE IF IT MAKES SENSE, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE THAT WE SHOULD NOT, UH, FOR THIS APPLICATION, WE SHOULD COMPARE IT TO [05:25:01] THE OTHER LI DIS, THE SURROUNDING LI DISTRICT, AS OPPOSED TO COMPARING IT TO A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT WOULD BE GOOD TO DO THAT ANALYSIS, UH, ALL ALONG THAT AREA OF, UH, UH, OF THEI DISTRICT AND DEFINITELY ALONG THE SAW MILL AND ANY OTHER ALLI DISTRICT IN THE AREA. SO IT SHOULD BE, THAT COMPARISON SHOULD BE TO, SO, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A REASONABLE COMPARISON TO DO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THROW IT IN RESIDENTIAL. THAT'S, THAT'S MY OWN PROBLEM. ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM BOARD MEMBERS IN TERMS OF PROVIDING DIRECTION AS TO YEAH, WELL, CAN I, DO I LOOK IN ADDITION, IN ADDITION TO GETTING, YOU KNOW, BULK REQUIREMENTS FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS, IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, MANY, IF NOT MOST OF THE BUILDINGS IN THE AREA ARE LEGAL NON-CONFORMING TO THE, LET ME JUST CORRECT YOU, MIKE, MAYBE YOU MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT I SAID, NOT OTHER. I'M SAYING WITHIN GREENBURG, NOT THE OTHER MUNICIPALITY. NO, I WASN'T REFERRING TO YOU. I WAS REFERRING TO, I THINK WHAT YOU SAID. I'M MAKING A DIFFERENT POINT. OKAY. UM, UM, IF, IF I, IF I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT DAVID SAID, YOU KNOW, MANY, IF NOT MOST OF THE SURROUNDING OR ADJACENT BUILDINGS ARE LEGAL NON-CONFORMING TO THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, MICHAEL. OKAY. I, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD NICE, IT, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO US IN MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR YOU TO, YOU KNOW, SHOW US WHICH OF THOSE BUILDINGS ARE LEGAL, NONCONFORMING, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A, WHAT, 200 FOOT RADIUS. NO PROBLEM AT ALL. WE, WE INTEND TO DO THAT. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WE WILL DO THAT. YEAH. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? MY OTHER COMMENT IS THAT, LOOK, I I'VE BEEN TO THAT AREA A NUMBER OF TIMES. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I CAN RECALL ANY LANDSCAPING. UM, UM, IF YOU COULD ADD A FEW TREES, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT DISRUPTING YOUR PLAN, THAT WOULD BE NICE. YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA HOW ABOUT, HOW ABOUT PAINT ON THE BUILDINGS? THAT'S A GOOD THING. YEAH. , UH, TO YOUR POINT, UH, THERE IS LANDSCAPING AGAIN ON, ON ALL THE FRONTAGES AS THE PLAN IS CURRENTLY DESIGNED. WE COULD INCORPORATE THAT AROUND THE PERIMETER, THE BUILDING. YEAH. I MEAN, IT LOOKED A LITTLE WEEDY IN THE PICTURE YOU SHOWED ME. SO, UNDERSTOOD. WE'LL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON THAT AS THEY MOVE FORWARD. I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE MY FEEDBACK AND INPUT TO THE APPLICANT. OKAY. OTHER POINT THAT I MADE IS THAT, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WITH YOUR, UH, UH, UH, MR. SIMON, WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS YOUR FIRM OR A DIFFERENT FIRM AND THAT, UH, THEY DREW MAPS, OH, WELL, MIGHT'VE BEEN WORK ON, UH, UH, ON, UH, ASSISTED LIVING. OKAY. WHERE WE, WE DREW MAPS OF HOW MANY, SEE, NOT ONLY WOULD, AM I CONCERNED WITH THE NUMBER OF, UH, TO, TO LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF, OF THESE TYPE OF FACILITIES IN THE WHOLE TOWN. I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY HOW MANY OF THESE FACILITIES IN WITHIN, UH, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND FEET, UH, UH, OR 3000 FEET A MILE AWAY. UH, SO WE COULD SEE THAT, THAT WELL, WHAT EFFECT IT IS IN THE FACT THAT WE ALREADY HAVE THREE IN THAT LOCATION. SO IT MIGHT BE YOU HAVE ALL THE JUSTIFICATION TO BUILD ANOTHER STORAGE BECAUSE THE MARKET FORCES JUSTIFY THAT. BUT MY QUESTION IS, ALTHOUGH THE MARKET FORCES JUSTIFY THAT, AND WE CAN HAVE, WE CAN HOUSE THAT IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, DOESN'T IT NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE IN THIS, WILL BE CREATING AN OVER CONCENTRATION IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. SO TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU COULD JUST, YOU COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, GIVE US INFORMATION ON THAT SO WE CAN AT LEAST KNOW THAT THAT ALSO WOULD BE HELPFUL. SO, A AARON AARON, UM, EXPLAINED IN ADVANCE THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY, WE, WE COULD TALK TO IT BRIEFLY TONIGHT IF YOU WANT. I JUST, I WANNA MAKE SURE THE RECORD'S CLEAR. THERE IS NO PROHIBITION IN GREENBURG, UM, OR SEPARATION DISTANCE BETWEEN THE USE. UM, UH, YOU AS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, HOW MUCH DIEGO AND I AND OUR TEAMS WANT TO COOPERATE FULLY AND WILL WIN TOWN, YOU HAVE NO LEGAL AUTHORITY, HOWEVER, TO I FULLY RECOGNIZE THAT. OKAY. GOT IT. I FULLY GOT IT. I'M LOOKING FOR INFORMATION. FAIR [05:30:01] ENOUGH. I JUST, I WOULD BE REMISS, WALTER, AND YOU KNOW ME TOO WELL, THAT IF I DIDN'T SAY, MY CLIENT NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE ASSERTED THE LEGAL POSITION THAT IT'S A LAWFUL USE IN ELMS, VERING, GREENBERG. YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS CAN'T TELL, YOU CAN'T HAVE THREE PIZZA PLACES TOO CLOSE TOGETHER. 'CAUSE IF THEY WANNA DO IT, THEY GET TO DO IT IF IT'S LAWFUL. UM, HAVING SAID THAT, NONE OF US, ESPECIALLY THE GUYS ON THE SCREEN THAT ARE READY TO SPEND AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY TO IMPROVE THAT PROPERTY AND INCREASE THE RATEABLE, THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT IF THEY'RE GONNA BE UNSUCCESSFUL. TRUST ME. SO, UM, THEY'RE HAPPY TO EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY THEY'RE CONVINCED THEY WILL BE SUCCESSFUL AND, AND WHY, WHY THEY THINK IT SHOULD BE HERE. D DAVID, DO, DO YOU HAVE A WRITTEN, LIKE A, A MARKET ANALYSIS REFLECTING, YOU KNOW, THE NEEDS? YES. WHY DON'T YOU, WHY DON'T YOU JUST SHARE THAT WITH US? SO, BECAUSE WE WERE, MICHAEL, BECAUSE IT WAS IN A PRE-SUBMISSION FORMAT, WE DIDN'T SUBMIT ANYTHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. BUT WE COULD, WE COULD GIVE YOU A FIVE, 10 MINUTE IF YOU WANT IT TONIGHT. IF YOU DON'T WANT IT TONIGHT, THAT'S FINE. UM, UM, CAN I INTERRUPT FOR ONE MINUTE? I'M SORRY. DAVID. UM, AARON, UH, APPARENTLY GOT, UH, SOMEHOW GOT KICKED OFF THE ZOOM, UH, MEETING . UM, AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT BACK. NO ONE NOTICED. GOOD. GOOD JOB, DIEGO. GOOD JOB. I'M GOOD. THERE'S THAT OTHER BUTTON ON MY COMPUTER. UH, I WILL JUMP IN. HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE TWO OTHER MATTERS AT THIS POINT. UM, SO, UM, I AM GOING TO, YOU KNOW, JUST SORT OF SUGGEST THAT YOU NOT, UNLESS THE BOARD REALLY WANTS TO DO TONIGHT. I THINK WE NEED TO GET ONTO THE OTHER. YEAH. YEAH. AND THAT'S, I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME. THAT'S CONSISTENT. EXCUSE ME FOR OKAY. I'M LOOKING AT THE TIME. WHY DON'T JUST, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN SHARE THAT MARKER REPORT WITH US. WHY DON'T YOU, OKAY. AARON, NEW DISTRIBUTOR. YEAH. BECAUSE AS I SENT AT THE BEGINNING, TONIGHT IS NOT THE NIGHT TO GET ALL THE INFORMATION, BUT MAKE YOU AWARE OF THE INFORMATION WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE. SO, OKAY. ONE SIMPLE POINT OF INFORMATION AND WE WILL LEAVE AND, AND NOT OVERSTAY WELCOME. WE WAITED A WHILE TO GET ON AN AGENDA. YOU'RE BUSY. WE FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT OUR CLIENT HAS BEEN PATIENT, UM, AND THEY HAVE TRIED TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THIS. WE WOULD SIMPLY LIKE TO ADVANCE, AND AS I SAID AT THE OUTSET, THIS IS NOT GONNA BE EASY ONLY BECAUSE WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO PROCESS THIS AT THE MOMENT IN TWO DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES, ELMSFORD IS INVITING US TO GET GOING. THEY WOULD LIKE THIS APPLICATION TO PROCEED, AND THEY'RE PREPARED TO EXPEDITIOUSLY GET IT APPROVED. 'CAUSE THEY THINK IT'S A GREAT REUSE OF THIS PROPERTY. IF, IF WE CAN SIMPLY HAVE THE ABILITY FOR DIEGO AND I TO TRY TO WORK WITH DAVID AND AARON, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO FILE AN APPLICATION AND GET ON AN UPCOMING AGENDA. DIEGO, UNLESS YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, WE DON'T WANNA KEEP DOING PRE-SUBMISSION. NO, YOU ALL KNOW US TOO. WELL. WE DIDN'T WANT TO JUST DROP AN APPLICATION WHEN WE KNOW IT HAD TO BE CREATIVE, BUT I WANT THE BOARD TO KNOW WE'RE READY TO FILE AN APPLICATION, EVEN IF IT'S A LITTLE UNUSUAL FOR THE REASONS HUGH SCHWARTZ IDENTIFIED EARLIER, NO BARKING AT ALL. WELL, THAT, THAT WE'RE IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT. THAT WAS THE POINT OF THIS MEETING FINE. TO GIVE YOU DIRECTION, AND THEN IT'S UP TO YOU AND YOUR TIMING WHEN YOU FILL, WHEN YOU F UH, UH, UM, FILED FOR, UH, AN APPLICATION. SO NOW THAT WE, YOU MADE YOUR PRE-SUBMISSION, WE GAVE YOU SOME FEEDBACK. NOW THE BALL IS YOUR COURT AS TO WHEN YOU WANNA FILE. WELL, UNDERSTOOD. DAVID, THE ONE THING I THINK, THINK I LET, LET'S JUST GO OVER PROCEDURE FOR A SECOND HERE. UM, YOU NEED A SITE PLAN APPROVAL. YES. YES. AND YOU, AND YOU NEED THE VARIANCES TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN. YES. IS THAT ALL YOU NEED? AND, AND THEN WE NEED SITE PLAN APPROVAL FROM THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD, CORRECT? YEAH. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT ON OUR SIDE. YES. I, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING ELSE ON YOUR SIDE. AND JUST, JUST TO MAKE YOU KIND OF FINISH. OKAY. SO WHAT, FROM A PROCEDURAL POINT OF VIEW, THIS IS WHAT I'D SUGGEST. I'D TRY TO GET YOUR PAPERWORK IN AS FAST AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN SO WE CAN GET YOU ON THE SCHEDULE. UM, THEN OUR NEXT DUTY WOULD BE TO REVIEW THAT PAPERWORK AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD, I WOULD THINK. OKAY. RIGHT. AND THEN IT'LL COME BACK TO US FOR SITE PLAN. NOW REMEMBER, THE ZONING BOARD IS HARDER TO GET ON BECAUSE IT'S ONLY ONCE A MONTH. MM-HMM. , UNFORTUNATELY, WE ONLY MEET ONCE IN DECEMBER. REMEMBER THAT. OKAY. OKAY. SO THINK ABOUT THAT FROM TIMING AND GETTING THE PAPERWORK FOR US ENOUGH IN ADVANCE THAT WE CAN SCHEDULE YOU ON AND WORK THAT OUT WITH AARON. OKAY? OKAY. WE ALSO NEED, UH, WE, BUT WE EVEN BEFORE, AND DAVID DOES THIS, ONCE YOU GET THE APPLICATION IN, WE NEED OUR INTERNAL REVIEW BEFORE WE GO ON THERE. YEAH. SO, I MEAN, THE NOT, NOT GONNA PROMISE, NOT GOING GUARANTEE, BUT YOU KNOW, THE HOPE IS THAT IF YOU GET SOMETHING IN, NOW, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET YOU ON FOR THE DECEMBER 1ST MEETING, BECAUSE THAT'S OUR [05:35:01] ONLY MEETING IN DECEMBER. SO PLEASE UNDERSTAND, IF FOR SOME REASON WE CAN'T DO THAT, IT WILL KICK OVER IN JANUARY. UNDERSTOOD. AND DAVID, WE NEED, WE NEED THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OPINION SO WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IN TERMS OF VARIANCES TOO, SO, OKAY. WHICH IT MAY NOT BE SO SIMPLE TO FIGURE OUT. HE'S GONNA NEED SOME HELP. RIGHT. HE'S GONNA NEED SOME HELP BECAUSE, OKAY. AND, AND JUST THE LAST THING, THE LAST THING I HAVE QUESTION AS, AS I GO AHEAD, MICHAEL, BEFORE I . YEAH. JUST QUICKLY, DAVID, WHAT'S THERE NOW, DIEGO, CAN YOU, CAN YOU OR THE EXISTING USE IN THE BUILDING ACTUALLY YES. WHAT DINO AND OR TOM, MAYBE YOU COULD HELP ME WITH THAT, THE EXISTING USE. I THINK THERE'S THE CLEANING AND RESTORATION PLACE THAT'S IN THERE. WHAT'S THE USE IN THE BUILDING TODAY? UH, I BELIEVE IT'S JUST THE WAREHOUSE USE. I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN THERE. UM, UM, YEAH, WE, WE JUST KNOW THAT IT'S A WAREHOUSE USE AND YOU'RE GONNA, YEAH, I THINK IT'S A, I THINK IT'S A BASICALLY A, WHAT'S THAT? TEAR IT DOWN. YOU SAID YOU'RE GONNA TEAR IT DOWN? OH YEAH. IT WOULD BE A FULL TEAR DOWN OF THE EXISTING BUILDING. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO REPURPOSE ANY PORTION THERE OF IT THERE. NO WAY. WE LOOKED INTO IT. THERE ISN'T REPURPOSE IT. OKAY. WE, WE REALLY HAVE TO MOVE ON TO THE OTHER APPLICATION. GO AHEAD. I, I WOULD JUST, I JUST SAY ONE THING THAT YOU HEARD EARLIER WHEN I WAS SPEAKING TO THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM TERRYTOWN, THAT IS SOME, THAT WE SHOULD WORK CLOSELY ON THIS APPLICATION. I'M MAKING AN ATTEMPT TO, UH, SPEAK WITH, UH, UM, THE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING BOARD FOR ELMSFORD SO WE COULD COORDINATE THINGS BETTER. SO IN, IN MOVING THIS ALONG. SO I'LL BE, I, I MADE IT ATTEMPT, BUT I HAD NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET SOMEONE FROM ELMSFORD TO BE AT THE KNIGHT'S MEETING. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, UH, THAT BOTH MUNICIPALITIES ARE INVOLVED, SO, SO WE KNOW WHAT THE OTHER HAND IS DOING SO WE COULD SHORTEN THE TIME TO COME INTO A DECISION. SO I, I AM WORKING ON IT. GREAT IDEA. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. WE APPRECIATE THAT. WE APPRECIATE THE TIME TONIGHT. MONA WAS TRYING. MONA, YOU ASKED. YEAH, THIS IS GONNA NEED A SITE VISIT ALSO AT SOME POINT. JUST BRING IT ON. WE'D LOVE, WE'D LOVE TO SCHEDULE THAT. WE WOULD LOVE TO WALK THAT WITH YOU. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK WHEN YOU SEE IT, YOU'LL BE HAPPY THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING ON THE PROPERTY. OKAY. OKAY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THEN, UH, NOW WE HAVE, UH, WE WILL SEE YOU. WE'LL SEE YOU HOPEFULLY NEXT MONTH. EVERYBODY TAKE GOOD CARE. HAVE A GREAT THANK YOU. OKAY. SO THE, THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, CASE BB 21, 22. AND AARON I THINK IS BACK. AND SO I THINK HE CAN GIVE YOU THE SUMMARY FOR THAT . SORRY ABOUT THAT. I HAD A, I RAN INTO A, A, AN INTERNET ISSUE, HAD A REBOOT, BUT, UM, AS CHAIRPERSON, SIMON INDICATED NEXT CASE, PB 21 DASH 22 DERO LOCATED ALONG CROSS HILL ROAD, P O HARTSDALE IN THE R 21 FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT SEEKS PLANNING BOARD WETLAND, WATERCOURSE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE POOL AND RELATED IMPROVEMENTS ON AN EXISTING VACANT LOT. THE WATERCOURSE AND WATERCOURSE BUFFER AREA ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 21,218 SQUARE FEET, AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING APPROXIMATELY 18,500 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE. UM, THE PROPERTY CONTAINS AN ABANDONED POOL AND SHED, BOTH OF WHICH ARE PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE REMOVAL OF APPROXIMATELY 22 REGULATED TREES REQUIRING A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, AND IS PREPARED A LANDSCAPING PLAN, WHICH CALLS FOR THE PLANTING OF 35 TREES AND 10 SHRUBS, AS WELL AS OTHER VEGETATION AS REPLACEMENTS. THE APPLICANT MET WITH THE C A C WHO ISSUED A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION WITH CONDITIONS THE APPLICANT HAS RESPONDED TO THE REQUEST AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE C A C. AND, UH, WE HAVE MR. RENADO HERE AND OTHERS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE. TURN IT OVER TO MR. RENADO. HOW ARE YOU MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? UH, MY NAME IS JEREMY RENADO FROM RAIN CONCEPTS, JUST REPRESENTING, UH, JOHN AND SYLVIA DEMIRO, THE OWNERS OF, OR THE NEW OWNERS OF THIS VACANT PARCEL ON CROSS HILL ROAD. UM, IF I COULD JUST PULL UP, I GUESS THE PLAN HERE. UM, AND, UM, MR. RENADO, WHILE YOU'RE PULLING THAT UP, JUST SURE. WANTED TO, UM, MENTION TO YOU AND, AND ALSO JUST TO THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT, UM, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT ON. SO, UH, IT'S ABOUT 9 32 NOW, AND SO WE'D LIKE YOU TO BE AS DETAILED AS POSSIBLE, BUT ALSO AS, AS SWIFT [05:40:01] AS POSSIBLE IN DETAILING THE PROJECT FOR US. THANK YOU. YEAH, I'M, I I I'M GONNA TRY TO FOCUS ON, UH, JUST THE, JUST THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BROUGHT US TO PLANNING BOARD. UM, BASICALLY 'CAUSE I THINK EVERYTHING ELSE AS FAR AS LOT COMPLIANCE, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, STORMWATER, DRAINAGE, UH, SETBACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE WILL BE HANDLED WITH BUILDING AND ENGINEERING. UM, IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO GET INTO MORE DETAIL OF THAT, THAT'S REALLY NOT AN ISSUE. UH, BUT THE, THE MAIN REASON WHY WE ARE HERE WITH PLANNING BOARD IS BECAUSE THERE IS AN EXISTING SWALE OR WATERCOURSE THAT RUNS THROUGH THIS PROPERTY. UM, IF YOU CAN SEE HERE, SORT OF WHERE MY CURSOR IS FOLLOWING HERE, UH, THERE IS A WATERWAY ACROSS THE STREET, AND I'M GONNA BRING UP MY MAP HERE SO WE CAN SORT OF SEE THIS, UM, THAT RUNS THROUGH SOME OF THE EXISTING PROPERTIES IN THE BACK HERE ON CROSS HILL ROAD. UM, AND IT COMES TO A HEAD POINT SOMEWHERE AROUND HERE WHERE THE TOWN PREVIOUSLY HAS INSTALLED SOME DRAINAGE THAT DIVERTS THAT WATERWAY BACK INTO THE TOWN DRAINAGE SYSTEM. AND THERE IS STILL CURRENTLY AN OVERFLOW PIPE THAT AT SOME POINTS, UM, MAY RECEIVE SOME FLOW, WHICH RUNS THROUGH THIS SWALE BACK THROUGH THE PROPERTY AND INTO AN EXISTING HEAD WALL THAT IS, THAT IS PIPED THROUGH THIS PROPERTY. UM, AND THEN ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, ONTO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET HERE, UM, THE REASON FOR BEING IN FRONT OF PLANNING BOARD IS THAT BECAUSE THIS AT ONE POINT, I GUESS WAS MARKED AS A STREAM ON A TOWN PROPERTY, THAT THEY ARE TREATING IT AS, AS SUCH AN ENGINEERING, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT. SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE THAT AREA. HOLD ON ONE SECOND HERE. GET BACK. I, I'M NOT SEEING ANY CURSOR IF YOU ARE MOVING IT ON THERE NOW. ARE YOU SEEING THAT? YEAH. SORRY, I JUST HAD TO GET BACK INTO THE SCREEN. UM, SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO BASICALLY PICK UP ANY INFLOW THAT WOULD INTERMITTENTLY COME THROUGH THIS EXISTING SWALE AT TIMES INTO PIPING THAT WOULD CONTINUE ON THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, AND EVENTUALLY OUTLET INTO WHERE THE OUTFALL IS NOW. SO THE, THE BASIC THOUGHT HERE IS TO TAKE THE EXISTING DRAINAGE THAT RUNS THROUGH THIS SWALE THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY AT TIMES AND CAPTURE IT AND JUST REROUTE IT AROUND UNDERGROUND INTO PIPING AND THEN INTO WHERE THE EXISTING OUTLET POINT WOULD BE THERE. UM, ENGINEERING HAS REQUESTED THAT WE PREPARE A STUDY FOR THE UPSTREAM AREA, UM, TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE NO NEGATIVE IMPACTS, YOU KNOW, TO THE PROPERTY SURROUNDING, AND THAT THERE WOULD BE NO NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO THIS PROPERTY ITSELF, UH, BY REMOVING BASICALLY THAT, THAT, THAT CONVEYANCE OF WATER THAT EXISTS. NOW, UH, I JUST WANNA SHOW ALSO VERY QUICKLY HERE. SO THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET, UM, WHERE THIS EXISTING STREAM NOW RUNS, UH, THERE'S A STREAM THAT RUNS AT TIMES. I MEAN, MOST OF THE TIME THIS IS, THIS HAS A VERY LIGHT FLOW USED TO COME THROUGH THIS HEAD WALL THROUGH HERE AND DIRECTLY INTO THE PROPERTY. AT SOME POINT, IT LOOKS LIKE IN, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE LATE NINETIES, UM, OR LATE EIGHTIES OR EARLY NINETIES, THE TOWN HAD GONE IN AND CREATED A HEAD WALL HERE WITH SOME NEW PIPING AND DIVERTED THIS BACK INTO THE TOWN DRAINAGE SYSTEM. THERE STILL IS THE EXISTING PIPE HERE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY IN USE. UM, THAT OUTLETS OVER HERE. AND AT TIMES WHEN THERE ARE MAJOR STORM EVENTS, UM, THERE IS SOME WATER THAT DOES THAT DOES TRAVEL THROUGH THERE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO CAPTURE AT THOSE TIMES. THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE OUTLET OF THAT PIPE COMING ACROSS THE STREET. AND THIS HERE IS A PICTURE OF, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT OR NOT, UM, THIS AREA RIGHT HERE WHERE THE, WHERE THOSE TWO PIPES MEET, I'M JUST GONNA PULL THIS SITE PLAN BACK UP. UH, THE SITE PLAN ITSELF IS FOR, YOU KNOW, DRIVEWAY RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, UH, A SMALL POOL IN THE BACKYARD, AND IT WILL BE SERVED BY, UH, TOWN WATER, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE A SEPTIC SYSTEM 'CAUSE THERE IS NO SEWER WITHIN THE AREA. UM, OR THAT'S CLOSE ENOUGH THAT, THAT THEY COULD REASONABLY CONNECT. COULD YOU JUST SHOW A PICTURE? [05:45:01] I KNOW A PICTURE. I SAW ONE OF THE PICTURES WHERE YOU ACTUALLY SEE THE, UH, HIGH OH, HIGHLIGHTED, UH, THE PIPE, THE DIVE DIVERSION AROUND. YEAH. YES. SO THERE IS, HERE, I THOUGHT I SAW THE PICTURE OF THE SAME MAP. IT DOES CLEARLY SHOW WHERE THAT NEW PIPE IS RUNNING. SO THE NEW PIPE IS RUNNING. SO THESE, THIS IS ACROSS THE, OH NO, GO BACK. TO GO BACK TO YOUR RI TO THE PREVIOUS ONE. OH, THIS PLAN. OKAY. OKAY. NOW THERE'S THE PIPE THAT YOU PICKED UP. SO JUST THAT IT'S CLEARLY YEAH, YOU COULD SEE THE PIPE, BUT I THOUGHT I SAW A DIAGRAM WHERE THAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED. SO, UH, IT WAS, YEAH, IT WAS DIAGRAM, IT WAS HIGHLIGHTED ON THAT OTHER, ON THAT OTHER DRAWING. OKAY. SO THAT THE, THE, THE OLD OUTLET PIPE THAT THE TOWN HAD A 15 INCH CORRUGATED METAL PIPE OUTLETS HERE. UM, AND IT SORT OF JUST TRAVELS ALONG THROUGH THIS SWALE AND THEN GOES INTO A 24 INCH PIPE ON THAT GOES UNDERNEATH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY IN THE REAR. UM, WE CAN'T, BECAUSE WE CAN'T CROSS THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROPERTY LINE, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO FULLY PIPE THE ENTIRE THING THROUGH. SO OUR PROPOSAL IS TO PUT A DRAINAGE INLET OR, OR A CATCH BASIN HERE TO CAPTURE ANYTHING THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY COME THROUGH THIS AREA AND ENTER THE EXISTING SWALE ONTO THEIR PROPERTY. COULD YOU JUST TRACE THE PIPE ON YOUR PROPERTY? JUST YOURSELF, SO EVERYONE OH, SURE, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO THE PIPE ON PROPERTY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, WOULD RUN THIS WAY AND THEN MAKE A TURN AND THEN RUN BACK HERE. OKAY. AND THEN OUTLET INTO THERE. SO THEY'RE BASICALLY JUST DIVERTED AROUND THE, AROUND THE NEW STRUCTURE. OKAY. DO ANY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, UH, UH, DESIGN, WHICH IS BASICALLY, UH, UH, THE EXISTING STREAM OR, OR THAT'S JUST BEING DI UH, THAT RUNS ACROSS THE PROPERTY IS BEING PIPED AROUND THE PROPERTY AND THEN PICKED UP AT THE, AT THE OTHER END. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY ANYBODY ASK QUESTION? I'LL WAIT. UM, SO I, I LIVE FAIRLY NEAR THIS PROPERTY. I'LL WALK BY IT FREQUENTLY. UM, I DON'T SEE FORESEE ANY ISSUES WITH THE PROPOSED PIPING. LIKE I HAVE NOT NOTICED, NOT I I DON'T LIVE RIGHT THERE, BUT I HAVE NOT NOTICED A MAJOR OVERFLOW OR ANY SIGNIFICANT OVERFLOW COMING IN THAT AREA. UM, I DO QUESTION THE SEPTIC TANK AND THE THE CULTECH, UM, JUST BECAUSE I KNOW IT CAN BE VERY SOGGY THERE. IT CERTAINLY IS WHERE I LIVE. SO I KNOW IT'S A BIT OFF TOPIC, WALTER, BUT IF YOU COULD JUST EXPLAIN THE SOIL TESTS THAT YOU DID. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE, THE NOTATIONS THAT WERE ON THE PLAN. SURE. YEAH. SO WANNA BE CONFIDENT THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS PIECE OF LAND IS GONNA BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE, UM, CHARS AND THE SEPTIC SYSTEM? YEAH, WELL, SO THE EXISTING SEPTIC SYSTEM, WE'VE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UM, AND PERFORMED WITNESS SOILS TESTING WITH THEM AND RAN THROUGH THEIR ENTIRE PROCESS AND, AND PROVIDED THE COMPLIANCE SYSTEM THAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE IT IS GONNA FUNCTION, UM, FOR, FOR THIS SIZE HOUSE, WHICH IS A THREE BEDROOM DWELLING. SO WE ARE, WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT THAT'S GOING TO FUNCTION FINE IN THIS AREA WHERE WE PERFORM THE SOIL TESTING. UM, THE SAME THING WITH WHERE THE COLD TEXT ARE DESIGNED BACK HERE. UM, WE HAVE SOIL BORINGS AND PERCOLATION TESTS THAT WERE DONE WITHIN, UH, THE TOWN STANDARDS AND WITHIN THE STATE STANDARDS FOR THAT TYPE OF SYSTEM. UM, AND WE'RE ABLE TO SIZE FOR THE INCREASE IN IMPERVIOUS FOR, I BELIEVE, WHAT IS THE 25 YEAR STORM, WHICH IS THE REQUIREMENT. UM, SO, UH, BASED ON THE TESTING THAT WE HAVE, I I DON'T SEE ANY OF THOSE ISSUES ARISING. UM, AT TIMES I THINK IT CAN BE KIND OF SOGGY IN THIS, IN THIS LOWER SWALE AREA, BUT THAT'S MAINLY JUST BECAUSE ALL THE DRAINAGE AS IT IS NOW KIND OF RUNS RIGHT DIRECTLY INTO THAT SPOT. UM, AND AT TIMES THERE ALSO, THERE IS, ALBEIT NOT VERY MUCH, THERE CAN BE TIMES WHERE THAT PIPE DOES FLOW AND THERE IS SOME WATER THAT COMES THROUGH THE SITE. SO I, I MEAN, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE DON'T REALLY SEE A LOT OF, UH, DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT WOULD CONTINUE, UM, INTO THIS, INTO THIS LOT. I MEAN, I KNOW IT DOES, IT MAY SEEM SOGGY AT TIMES, BUT WE, WE HAVEN'T REALLY ENCOUNTERED ANY OF THAT WITH THE TESTING. I DON'T EVEN THINK WE HIT GROUNDWATER, UM, IN ANY OF THESE HOLES. AND, AND MOST OF THE BOS WERE AT LEAST SEVEN OR EIGHT FEET DEEP, UH, IN ORDER FOR US TO GET COMPLIANT WITH THESE SYSTEMS. THAT, THAT, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, [05:50:01] TOM. I'M GLAD YOU ASKED IT. IT WAS SOMETHING THAT STAFF ASKED UP FRONT AS WELL. OKAY. I, UM, I JUST WANTED TO, I, I KNOW MR. SIAH A COMMENT OR QUESTION. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT, UM, WE HAVE AT THE TREE REMOVAL AND PROPOSED LANDSCAPING, I, ALONG WITH THE TOWN FORESTRY OFFICER, UM, THERE'S, THE APPLICANT INDICATED THAT THERE'S A SITE MODIFICATION FROM WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY SAW. UM, THEY, THEY HADN'T UP THEIR UPDATED THEIR PLAN COMING INTO THIS MEETING. THEY ASKED IF IT WOULD BE ALL RIGHT BEFORE THEY MADE A FULL ON PLAN REVISION, JUST TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THAT RESULTED IN ADDITIONAL PLAN REVISIONS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD THIS EVENING SO THAT THEY COULD JUST UPDATE THE PLAN SET ONE MORE TIME, HOPEFULLY. AND, AND THAT WAS FINE WITH ME. I THINK THEY'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK WITH, UM, COMPLYING WITH THE NEW TOWN TREE ORDINANCE. SO I JUST WANTED TO RELAY THAT TO THE BOARD. UH, AND, AND, AND OF, AND OF COURSE WHEN IT'S THE, UH, THREE, WE, WHEN WE, UH, MAKE THE DECISION TO PUT 'EM ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING, ALL OF THOSE, UH, DRAWINGS WILL BE UPDATED FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. ANY OTHER MS UH, DESAI, YOU HAD A QUESTION? UH, WE REALLY NEED TO MOVE ON. YEAH. CONSIDERING THAT, UH, UH, THIS PIPING THAT YOU ARE, UH, PUTTING, UH, ON THE SIDE TO DIVERT THE, UH, WATER THAT'S GOING THROUGH THE SWALE, UH, IS THE, IS THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS REVIEWED THE SIZE OF THE PIPING, SO THEY, YEAH, YEAH. THEY, THEY HAVE, THEY'VE ALSO, UM, JUST ON A QUICK SIDE NOTE, THE, THE EXISTING PIPE THAT'S HERE THAT CAPTURES ALL OF THE WATER THAT THAT CAN FLOW INTO THE LOT RIGHT NOW IS, IS A 24 INCH PIPE. UM, SO WE'VE KIND OF JUST REACTIVELY SIZE THE WHOLE THING FOR A 24 INCH PIPE, BECAUSE THAT IS, THAT'S THE LARGEST SIZE THAT COULD CAPABLY BE ACCEPTED AT THE OTHER END OF THIS. UM, OUR STUDIES DO SHOW THAT A SMALLER PIPE SIZE WOULD BE SUFFICIENT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA STICK WITH THAT LARGER SIZE, YOU KNOW, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS, UM, THAT IT HAS ALL THE CAPACITY THAT IT MIGHT NEED FOR SOME, 'CAUSE WE ARE SEEING LARGER AND LARGER STORM EVENTS, YOU KNOW, AS WE ALL KNOW, AS TIME GOES ON HERE. UM, THEY ALSO HAVE ASKED FOR US TO PROVIDE A FULL UPSTREAM ANALYSIS THAT INCLUDES THE CONVEYANCE OF ANY FUTURE WATERS FOR CERTAIN STORM EVENTS THROUGH THIS PIPING. UM, AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY ISSUES WITH, WITH IT SUFFICIENTLY HANDLING ANY OF THE EVENTS THAT, THAT THEY'RE ASKING US TO RUN THROUGH THERE. OKAY. AND AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU WOULD HAVE ALL THAT, UH, DATA TO, TO SUBSTANTIATE WHAT YOU HAVE JUST SAID? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WE, WE SHOULD BE READY TO SUBMIT THAT AT SOME POINT NEXT WEEK TO ENGINEERING. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE READY I THINK, NOT ONLY TO REVIEW A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IT WOULD, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE READY, THE ENGINEERING COMMENT AT THAT TIME AS WELL FROM YOUR DEPARTMENTS. OKAY. UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UM, UH, PUT THIS ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING. UH, NOW, UH, I'M A LITTLE HESITANT ABOUT, UH, OUR NEXT DATE, AARON, WHAT, WHAT DO, WHAT DO WE HAVE ON OUR CALENDAR FOR THE 17TH? BECAUSE WE MIGHT AT THE MOMENT, AT YES, AT THE MOMENT WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS ON. UM, SO I THINK IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO PLACE THEM ON, HOWEVER, UH, AS THE CHAIRPERSON INDICATED WE WOULD WANT, UH, IT TO BE CLEAR THAT ENGINEERING HAS REVIEWED AND, AND SIGNED OFF ON THE PIPE SIZING AND ANY OTHER MATTERS THAT THEY NEED TO REVIEW. SO, UM, WHAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU SAID YOU THINK YOU CAN GET IT IN SHORTLY AND BE OKAY FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT KEEP IN MIND PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE TWO WEEKS FROM NOW. SO DO YOU THINK YOU CAN GET THINGS IN BY THE END OF THE WEEK OR, OR MONDAY THE LATEST? UM, WE COULD, I COULD GET SOMETHING PRELIMINARY IN MONDAY. UM, FOR AS FAR AS THE ENGINEERING, FOR THE PIPE SIZING, YES. I, I THINK ABSOLUTELY THAT WOULD BE FINE. WELL, WE NEED ALL THE REQUESTED INFORMATION. AND YOU SAID YOU NEED, UH, UPSTATE UP, UH, THE LANDSCAPING, I THINK YOU SAID YOU NEED TO UPDATE THAT, THE ENGINEERING. SO IF I'M GONNA PUT IT ON PUBLIC HEARING IT, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE NECESSARY INFORMATION WE HAVE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING NOT TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WELL, WE MISSED SOME INFORMATION. IF YOU, I WANT, IF YOU ARE NOT ABSOLUTELY SURE, YOU COULD GET ALL [05:55:01] THE INFORMATION TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT BY THE EARLY PART OF, UH, UH, NEXT WEEK, AND I THINK AARON, LIKE TUESDAY OR SO THE LATEST, THEN I, THEN IT WILL GO TO THE DECEMBER MEETING. I, I THINK THAT WE COULD HIT THAT, THAT MARK FOR SURE. YEAH. OKAY. SO I WOULD SAY I DON'T, THAT'S GONNA RESPECT TO THE LAND, I WOULD SAY WITH RESPECT TO THE TREE REMOVAL AND LANDSCAPING, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THEY'RE VERY CLOSE, SO IT SHOULDN'T TAKE US LONG TO REVIEW THAT. OKAY. SO, OKAY, SO, SO I'LL MAKE, SO WHAT I WILL DO IS TO PUT THIS ON FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR NOVEMBER 17TH. OKAY. OKAY. LET'S, THANK YOU. OKAY, SO LET'S GET QUICKLY TO THE NEXT APPLICATION. AND THAT'S THE 14TH PINE STREET. UH, WHAT'S THAT? THE NINE SUBDIVISION? YEAH. SO THIS IS, UM, CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 18, UH, 14 PAIN STREET AND 1 75 WINTHROP AVENUE. UM, PO ELMSFORD LOCATED IN THE R FIVE ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT. THIS IS AN INITIAL WORK SESSION IN WHICH THE APPLICANT SEEKS, UH, PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION OF TWO EXISTING LOTS INTO NINE LOTS FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONSTRUCTING NINE NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH RELATED IMPROVEMENTS. THE 14 PAYNE STREET PARCEL CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 0.95 ACRES AND CONTAINS A DILAPIDATED HOUSE AND GARAGE, BOTH PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED. UH, THE 1 75 WIND DROP AVENUE PROPERTY CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 7,500 SQUARE FEET OF 0.17 ACRES, AND CONTAINS AN EXISTING RESIDENCE, ALSO PROPOSED TO BE DEMOLISHED. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A REMOVAL OF 12 REGULATED TREES REQUIRING A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT FROM THE PLANTING BOARD, AND HAS PREPARED A LANDSCAPING PLAN PROVIDING FOR THE PLANTING OF 21 TREES AS REPLACEMENTS. UM, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT, I DID WANT TO NOTE THAT A MEMO CAME THROUGH FROM THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD THIS AFTERNOON, UM, JUST INDICATING THAT THE APPLICANT HAD MET WITH P H N L P B, I THINK IT WAS IN AUGUST. THERE WERE SOME REQUESTS OF THE HISTORIC BOARD MADE AT THAT MEETING THAT THEY HAVE YET, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT TO MY KNOWLEDGE HAS, HAS YET TO FULFILL. UH, WE HAVE FORWARDED THAT MEMO OFF TO THE APPLICANT AND THE H AND L P B HAS REQUESTED THAT THE PLANNING BOARD, YOU KNOW, NOT ENTERTAIN ANY DECISIONS ON THIS PROJECT. WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS AN INITIAL WORK SESSION, SO, UM, THAT WON'T HAPPEN TONIGHT, BUT THAT'S, NO, NO DECISIONS BE ENTERTAINED UNTIL THE HISTORIC BOARD HAS BEEN SATISFIED. AARON, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. YEAH. THIS 47,000, OR ABOUT 48,000 SQUARE FEET, THIS IS AN R FIVE. WHAT'S THE ZONE? THIS IS, THIS IS AN R FIVE, EVEN WITH AN R FIVE, BY THE TIME YOU GET DONE WITH THE ROADS, HOW COULD YOU GET NINE LOTS ONTO A 40, 48,000 SQUARE FOOT PIECE OF PROPERTY? WELL, THAT'S THE, SO I'M GONNA ANSWER THAT VERY, I'M, I'M GONNA ANSWER THAT VERY QUICKLY, BUT THE APPLICANT WILL SHOW US THE PLAN. YEAH. UM, ESSENTIALLY THE, THE, THE PROPERTY IS BOUNDED BY STREETS THAT ALL LOTS WOULD HAVE FRONTAGE AND MEET THE MINIMUM ZONING REQUIREMENT. LET'S LET THE APPLICANT SHOW YEAH. LET THE APPLICANT ANSWER THAT QUESTION. OKAY. PROCEED. THERE'S NO NEW ROAD BASE. IT'S A QUICK ANSWER. MR. SCHWAR. YEAH, GO AHEAD EVERYONE. HI EVERYONE, I'M DAVID YOUNG. UH, WE GETTING AN ECHO? WHAT'S THE FROM YOUR SOUNDS. TURN DOWN YOUR SOUND. TURN YOUR SOUND DOWN. TURN THE VOLUME DOWN. IS THAT BETTER? YES. OKAY. I APOLOGIZE. WELL, IT'S STILL, I THINK IT'S TURNING DOWN EVEN MORE. IT'S STILL GETTING HOW ABOUT THAT? GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. OKAY. UH, MY NAME IS DAVID YOUNG, I'M HERE FOR HOTEL ENGINEERING. TURN IT DOWN MORE. TURN IT DOWN MORE. YEAH, PLEASE. UH, LEMME OKAY. CAN YOU, IS IT, IS THERE STILL ECHO? OKAY, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. OKAY, SO MY NAME IS DAVID YOUNG, I'M REPRESEN, I'M, I'M HERE FOR HOTEL ENGINEERING REPRESENTING BOB, UH, JACK POTTY FOR, UH, APPLICANT FOR 1 7 5 AND 14. UM, CAN I SHARE SCREEN YET, PLEASE? OKAY. GIMME ONE SECOND. AND TO ANSWER, UH, THE, UH, MR. SWARTZ'S, [06:00:01] UH, QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE NUMBER OF LOTS IN, UH, IN THAT PROPERTY. YEP. CAN YOU GUYS SEE MY SCREEN? YEAH, YOU, I SEE IT, BUT I SEE DATA WE CAN, IT LOOKS LIKE A STONEWATER REPORT VERSUS A SUBDIVISION LAYOUT PLAN. OKAY. THERE WE GO. OKAY. SO, UM, WE'RE YOU, YOU REALLY NEED, BUT SO SOMETHING'S WRONG WITH THE VOLUME. OH, I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO HEAR THAT. NO, I HEAR THE ECHOES TOO. IT'S REVERBERATING. LEMME ONE SECOND. WOULD THE APPLICANT MIND CALLING IN AND USING OUR PHONE AUDIO INSTEAD OF THE COMPUTER? YEAH. GIMME ONE SECOND. I APOLOGIZE. WE'LL GIVE MR. YOUNG A MOMENT, BUT AS HE'S STILL WORKING THAT OUT, I CAN SORT OF JUST SPEAK TO THIS A LITTLE BIT, PLEASE. YOU'LL SEE YES, PLEASE. ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE IS NORTH LAWN AVENUE. YEAH. AND THERE ARE THREE HOMES PROPOSED TO FRONT ON NORTH LAWN AVENUE WITH, WITH DRIVEWAYS OUT, UH, TO NORTH LAWN AVENUE. THEN AS WE MOVE DOWN ON THE PAGE, YOU HAVE PAYNE STREET AT THE BOTTOM, WHICH RUNS, UH, EAST TO WEST. AND THERE ARE FOUR HOMES PROPOSED ALONG PAYNE STREET, UH, WITH DRIVEWAYS OUT TO PAYNE STREET. AND THEN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE YOU HAVE WIND DROP AVENUE, AVENUE, UM, WHICH EXISTS. AND THOSE TWO HOMES IN THE INTERIOR, UH, TOWARDS THE TOP OF THE PAGE ARE PROPOSED AND WOULD HAVE DRIVEWAYS OUT TO NORTH LAWN AVE. SO, UH, AS MENTIONED, THIS IS IN AN R FIVE ZONING DISTRICT. UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR OUR MOST DENSELY POPULATED RESIDENTIAL AREAS WITHIN THE TOWN, SINGLE FAMILY ANYWAY, UM, AND THE LOTS DO MEET ALL, UH, THE MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENTS, ALL LOT IN BOTH REQUIREMENTS. SO THE HOMES, UH, THERE ARE NO AREA VARIANCES OR OTHER VARIANCES REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT. UM, IT'S, UH, WE LOOKED AT THE SURROUNDING AERIAL MAP, AND THIS IS ONE OF MAYBE TWO OR THREE OVERSIZED LOTS IN THIS NECK OF THE WOODS THAT COULD BE SUBDIVIDED DOWN IN THIS FASHION. SO IT'S REALLY CHAIRPERSON. SIMON AND I KIND OF TOOK A LOOK AT THAT. UM, BUT WE DID, WE, ALONG WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE, LOOKED AT THE ZONING TABLE AS SHOWN ON THIS PLAN. IT'S A LITTLE TOUGH TO READ HERE, BUT WE DID CONFIRM THAT THEY'RE WITHIN, UH, ALL THE EXISTING ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. UH, THEY MEET ALL THE LOT AND BOLT REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONE. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. YOUNG IF HE'S, UH, FIXED HIS AUDIO. IF NOT, UH, THERE ARE SOME TREES ON THE PROPERTY, BUT IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANTLY WOODED. SO I IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, UM, THERE'S LAWN SPACE, A LOT OF LAWN SPACE ACTUALLY ON THE PROPERTY AND LOOKS LIKE HE'S CALLING IN. NOW, I'M GONNA ADMIT, UM, THERE ARE SOME TREES THAT THEY DO HAVE TO TAKE DOWN. I BELIEVE I SAID 12. THERE ARE SOME SIZABLE TREES THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PRESERVE, UH, ALONG THE PERIPHERY OF THE PROPERTY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE REVIEWED WITH THE TOWN'S FORESTRY OFFICER TO DETERMINE, UH, IF APPROPRIATE PROTECTIONS CAN BE PUT IN PLACE THAT MEET THE NEW TOWN TREE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS. AND THAT'S YET TO BE DETERMINED. AARON? AARON? YES. I'M LOOKING AT THOSE BOTTOM, UH, FOUR HOUSES, AND I'M LOOKING AT THE CUTOUT FOR THE DRIVEWAY GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE. HOW IS THAT NOT A VARIANCE? SO THAT'S COMPLIANT IN THE R FIVE ZONE. THERE IS NO SETBACK OFF THE PROPERTY LINE FOR DRIVEWAYS. YOU CAN PAVE RIGHT UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE IN THE R FIVE DISTRICT. UM, CAN ANYONE HEAR ME? YES. YEAH, THAT'S MUCH BETTER. MUCH BETTER. I, I DO APOLOGIZE. CAN I, UH, DO YOU GUYS WANT ME TO TAKE OVER? GO AHEAD. UM, JUST ONE THING, THE LAST QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT THE SETBACK. THE ONE THING, HOWEVER, IS THAT YEAH, WE DO SEE THAT ONE. THE SECOND ONE IN FROM THE RIGHT LOOKS LIKE IT'S PAVED ALL THE WAY TO THE PROPERTY LINE MM-HMM. , AND PERHAPS A COMMENT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, AND MR. SCHWARTZ, BY ALL MEANS MAKE IT, IF THE APPLICANT COULD PULL THAT OFF THE PROPERTY LINE, THAT'D BE SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE LOOKED FAVORABLY UPON AND SOMETHING THEY SHOULD EXPLORE. YEP. THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DEFINITELY EXPLORE. OKAY. WHY DON'T I TURN IT OVER TO YOU, MS. DEON? OKAY. CAN YOU GUYS STILL SEE MY SCREEN? YES. YES. YES. OKAY. SO, UM, UH, WE HAVE AS OF RIGHT, UH, FOR ALL NINE, UH, LOT LOTS. UH, WE HAVE NO WETLANDS, NO, UH, STEEP SLOPES. [06:05:01] UM, WE HAVE NO UTILITIES. THEY SUFFER THE SERVICES THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THIS PAGE. UM, AS FAR AS STORM WATER, UM, WE DO, UH, WE DID A FULL SCRIPT FOR THIS PROJECT. UH, WE DO MEET DC STANDARDS AND WE DESIGN ALL THE STORM WATER, UH, INFILTRATIONS FOR THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM. AND, UM, 100, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT. YOU SAID? 100. OKAY. GOT IT. YES, BECAUSE THAT'S THE, UH, WE'RE DISTURBING OVER AN ACRE. SO WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO A HUNDRED YEAR STORM. MM-HMM. . THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT'S BY THE STATE. GO AHEAD. AND, AND, AND AS FOR LANDSCAPING, I DO APOLOGIZE. DAN SHERMAN IS NOT HERE, BUT I'LL DO MY BEST TO CONVEY, UH, WHAT HE'S DESIGNED. UM, SO WE TOOK DOWN, UH, PROPOSING TO TAKE DOWN, UH, 12 TREES, BUT WITH, UH, THE GREENBERG, UH, TREE CALCULATOR, WE'RE PROPOSING TO, UH, PROPOSE 21 NEW TREES. AND WE'RE USING THIS, UH, AS A GOOD, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF USE THE TREES AS SCREENING. UH, TOWARDS THE NORTH, WE HAVE SOME, UM, UH, NORWAY SPRUCE, UH, TOWARDS WINTHROP. WE HAVE, UH, PIN OAK. AND TOWARDS PINE STREET WE HAVE, UH, SUGAR MAPLES. AND THEN TOWARDS THE CENTER, WE'RE USING LYDEN TREES TO KIND OF, UH, SCREEN OFF THE TWO PROPERTIES, UH, FROM THE EAST AND WEST. AND THEN ON NORTH LAWN AVENUE, THERE'S PLENTY OF MAPLES. AND THOSE EXIST, I BELIEVE. YES. YES. THE MAPLES, UH, THE PROPERTY DOES, WHILE THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY OVERALL DOES NOT REALLY CONTAIN MUCH IN TERMS OF SLOPES THE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG. NORTH SWAN AVENUE DOES CONTAIN SOME AREAS OF SLOPES. SO THEY'RE GONNA REALLY TRY AND MINIMIZE ANY, UM, IMPACT TO THOSE SLOPES. THEY'RE JUST GONNA LOOK TO CUT THROUGH THE DRIVEWAY AND RETAIN THE TREES WITHIN THOSE SLOPES. UM, ONE THING I WANTED TO DO WAS GET OUT TO THE PROPERTY. A LOT OF THOSE ARE PROBABLY INVASIVE NORWAY MAPLES, AND I'D LIKE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO POTENTIALLY HAVE THOSE REMOVED, UM, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. UH, AND POSSIBLY IF, IF POSSIBLE, REPLACE THEM WITH A, A MORE SUITABLE NATIVE SPECIES. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS. YEP. AND THAT'S SOMETHING, UH, DAN SHERMAN MENTIONED TO US AS WELL. SO WE'LL DEFINITELY TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY WITH YOU GUYS. OKAY. UH, YOU KNOW, FOR A PROPERTY, NORMALLY FOR A PROPERTY THIS SIZE, UH, WE HAVE, UH, UH, THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, UH, TAKE A LOOK, HAVE SITE VISITS, DEFINITELY FOR A A AND I THINK FOR THIS ONE, IT DEFINITELY WILL QUALIFY WHETHER OR NOT, UH, WE DO IT INDEPENDENTLY, UH, AS SMALL GROUPS FOR BOARD MEMBERS, OR WE DO A, A, A NOTICE SITE VISIT. BUT, UH, I, I THINK A SITE VISIT IS IN ORDER, UH, FOR THE, UH, PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS TO REALLY SEE THE SITE, BECAUSE IT IS A LARGE SITE. AND SO WE COULD MAKE A BETTER, UH, JUDGMENT ON, ON THIS, UM, APPLICATION. UH, ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS? I'M HAPPY TO GO AHEAD. I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I'M HAPPY TO ARRANGE TO BRING MEMBERS OUT, UH, IN SMALL GROUPS IF THAT'S PREFERRED, OR IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A, A NOTICE VISIT, WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL. IT'S, IT'S UP TO THE BOARD. I, I WOULD JUST REMIND YOU AGAIN THAT THE APPLICANT STILL IS, IS WORKING WITH THE HISTORIC BOARD, UM, IN, IN, IN RESPONDING TO THOSE COMMENTS. AND, AND YOU GOT THE MEMO. I KNOW IT WAS LATE TODAY. YOU MAY NOT ALL HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, BUT I, I DID JUST WANT TO CALL THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION AGAIN. THANK YOU. YEAH, I THINK AS A COMMENT AND SEEING HOW THOSE ARE STILL, UH, ISSUES, I, UH, UH, I CAN'T, UH, THE EARLIEST I COULD SEE IN PUTTING THIS ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE OUR DECEMBER 1ST MEETING, PROVIDING THAT WE GET THE INFORMATION FROM, UH, THE CIRC, UH, BOARD AND MEMBERS OF THE, UH, UH, PLANNING BOARD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT THE SITE. UM, IS THERE ANY PREFERENCE AMONG BOARD MEMBERS WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD, UH, UH, HAVE A, A, UH, A A NOTICE VISIT? I PERSONALLY, I'M GONNA JUMP IN HERE FOR A SECOND AND YEAH, BECAUSE THERE'S ONE QUESTION THAT HASN'T BEEN ASKED YET, WHICH WAS, HAS THE APPLICANT [06:10:01] NOTIFIED THE NEIGHBORS? AND REGARDLESS, REALLY OF THE ANSWER TO THAT, I THINK, UH, SUBDIVISION OF THIS SIZE, UH, IN THAT AREA, PROBABLY, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, I THINK YOU SHOULD, I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS TO HAVE A NOTICE SITE VISIT SO THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN COME OUT AND SEE THIS, UH, RATHER THAN JUST SAYING, OH MY GOD, I JUST GOT A NOTICE THAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT IN A BUNCH OF HOUSES HERE. AGREE. OKAY. SO THE, OKAY. OKAY. LET'S, LET'S ASSUME THAT IT IS ON THE DECEMBER, UH, HEARING, THEN LET'S BACK CALCULATE AND SEE WHAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. AND IF , I THINK WE NEED ANOTHER WORK SESSION. WALTER. YES, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. AT LEAST, UH, UH, UH, UM, AND SO EVEN IN, IN PLANNING THE NEXT WORK SESSION, UH, UM, WHAT, OKAY, I I WOULD STILL THINK THAT BEFORE THE, EVEN BEFORE ANOTHER WORK SESSION, WE SHOULD HAVE A SITE VISIT OR, OR, BECAUSE WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DISCUSS AT THE, AT THE WORK SESSION IF WE DIDN'T, IF WE DON'T HAVE A, A BETTER FEEL FOR THE SITE ITSELF. NO, I AGREE WITH THAT. SO THE FIRST THING WE SHOULD DO IS TO, AND I THINK IN THIS CASE, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE THAT WE JUST SET A NOTICE SITE VISIT, AND WE NORMALLY DO THAT ON SATURDAY MORNING. WHAT DOES THE SCHEDULE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS LOOK LIKE? SO WE COULD GET, UH, AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, A A, IF NOT THE ENTIRE BOARD, AT LEAST TWO OR THREE BOARD MEMBERS TO GO OUT FOR A NOTICE SITE VISIT. UH, UH, I WOULD DEFINITELY, UH, BE LOOKING TO BE ONE OF THE PARTICIPANTS. SO, UH, UM, UH, WOULD BE NOT BE THIS SATURDAY. WHAT IS THE SATURDAY AFTER THE NEXT TO HAVE? WHAT DATE IS THAT? THE 13TH? THAT WOULD BE THE 13TH AND THE 20TH. AND I KNOW MR. HAY WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING 'CAUSE HE HAD RAISED HIS HAND. YEAH. AHEAD. UM, ASSUMING WE, UH, DO A, A SECOND WORK SESSION ON THIS, THERE'S TWO QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE I'D LIKE TO HAVE ADDRESSED AT THAT TIME. IT'S LATE NOW, SO I DON'T NEED TO HEAR IT NOW. ONE IS ABOUT THE, THE, UH, STORMWATER RETENTION SYSTEMS BECAUSE I SEE A VARYING NUMBER AND SIZE OF CALTECH UNITS. RIGHT. I WANNA UNDERSTAND WHY THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENCES. AND, UH, SEPARATELY, THERE ARE THREE CURB CUTS ON THE NORTH LAWN AVENUE. AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WE RECENTLY HAD ANOTHER APPLICATION, I BELIEVE IT ALSO HAD A COUPLE CURB CUTS ON NORTH LAWN, AND THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, UM, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND AT THE PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT THE TRAFFIC IS ALREADY ON THAT STREET. SO I THINK WE NEED TO INVESTIGATE THE IMPACT OF THE DRIVEWAYS THERE AS WELL. OKAY. SO LET'S, LET'S FIRST SETTLE ON THE PUBLIC ON, UH, ON THE SITE VISIT, AND THEN WE WILL, UH, UH, PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR A PUBLIC, UH, ANOTHER WORK SESSION. AND THEN WE GO, WELL, WE'VE GOT THE NEXT, IF WE DO THE SITE VISIT WALTER ON THE 13TH, WE CAN DO, WE CAN PUT IT ON FOR WORK SESSION ON THE 17TH. OKAY. I THINK SO. OKAY. OKAY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. YEP. UM, DO WE HAVE A POLICE, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING FROM SERGEANT REON ON THIS YET? UH, MATT, I BELIEVE WE DO. I THINK HE HAD SOME INITIAL QUESTIONS, I BELIEVE PERHAPS TO PARTI OR IN PARTICULAR THE DRIVEWAYS ON PAYNE STREET THAT HE WANTED THERE TO BE A TURN, A TURNOUT. OKAY. YEAH. BUT LET'S NOW DOESN'T SHOW, BUT THE, THE OTHER PLAN DID. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, I THINK WE, WE NEED, WE NEED THAT. WE NEED THAT TOO. WE NEED THAT. THAT IS ACCURATE. WE PROPOSED THAT. YEAH, WE, OKAY. SO LESS THAN NOW WE'RE RUNNING OVER. THEN WE WILL HAVE A, UH, A NOTICE SITE VISIT FOR SATURDAY, UH, DECEMBER 13TH, NOVEMBER, NOVEMBER 13TH, NOVEMBER, NOVEMBER, UH, NO, I'M SORRY, NOVEMBER 13TH. AND WE WILL HAVE A SECOND, UH, UH, UM, WORK SESSION ON THE 17TH. AND, UH, AND THOSE ISSUES THAT, THE ISSUES THAT, UH, THE QUESTION THAT TOM HAD, THE QUESTION THAT, UH, YOU HAD ABOUT JUST EMAIL, EMAIL, THOSE ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, TO AARON, COPY ME ON THE THINGS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE WORK SESSION. SO AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO FIGURE 'EM OUT NOW, WE JUST GET THAT IN AND SO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE WORK SESSION. ALL THOSE THINGS WILL BE COVERED. [06:15:02] OKAY. SO THE INDIVIDUAL SITES BE STAKED. WAIT, GO AHEAD MOLLY. THAT WOULD BE, WILL THE INDIVIDUAL, WILL THE INDIVIDUAL SITES BE STAKED? SO THAT'S, UH, ONE THING TO MENTION TO THE APPLICANT. IF, IF THE REQUEST OF THE BOARD, IF IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO GET A SENSE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WE WOULD DO THE CENTER OF THE ROADWAY. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A ROADWAY HERE, BUT ASKING THE APPLICANT, MR. YOUNG, MR. BATTY, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO PUT A STAKE IN THE CENTER OF WHERE EACH DRIVEWAY WOULD BE PROPOSED? AND, AND IF YOU COULD DO THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE HOUSES, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'D COMMIT TO BE ABLE TO DO AHEAD OF, UH, NOVEMBER 13TH AT 10:00 AM I BELIEVE WE CAN, LET ME DISCUSS IT WITH JACK. I BELIEVE HE'S HERE IF HE CAN TALK. OKAY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OKAY. AND OKAY. YEAH, THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DO. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT 10:00 AM WOULD BE THE TIME, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO NOTICE THIS TOMORROW. YEAH. SO, UM, MATT AND I WILL GET ONTO THAT TOMORROW AND I AM AVAILABLE. MR. SAID I CAN DO THAT. GOOD, THANK YOU. HOW WOULD YOU, THIS IS THE MR. BATLEY, AND, AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE THE PROPERTY STAKE. THAT'D BE GREAT. OKAY. YES, THAT WOULD BE FINE. OKAY, GOOD. AND THEN, UM, MY, MY, MY FINAL COMMENT TO THE APPLICANT, MR. B BATTY AND, AND HIS REPRESENTATIVE, MR. YOUNG, IS THAT, UM, I BELIEVE THE NEXT HISTORIC BOARD MEETING IS NOVEMBER 9TH, WHICH WOULD BE NEXT TUESDAY. MY, MY STRONG SUGGESTION IS THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE EMAIL WE SENT OVER TODAY WITH THE HISTORIC BOARD'S COMMENTS AND, AND THEIR REQUESTS FROM AUGUST AND LOOKED AT MISS SOMETHING BY NO LATER THAN THE NINTH. UM, NOT THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION THAT EVENING, BUT TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE RESPONDED TO THAT BECAUSE THE PLANNING BOARD WILL PICK THIS BACK UP ON THE 17TH PERHAPS, AND IT'S GONNA WANT TO SEE THAT YOU'VE MADE SOME PROGRESS WITH THE HISTORIC BOARD. THE HISTORIC BOARD ONLY MEETS ONCE PER MONTH, WHILE THE PLANNING BOARD MEETS TWICE PER MONTH, TYPICALLY, EXCEPT FOR DECEMBER IN THIS CASE, WHICH IT'LL MEET ON THE FIRST, AND THEN THAT'S IT. SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK, HEARD. OKAY. WE, UH, OKAY. THANK YOU. WE HAVE, UH, A RUN OVER BY 10 MINUTES. UM, I, I DON'T WISH TO HAVE A COMMENT FOR THE VICE CHAIR, BRIAN, TO ME, I'M JUST GONNA SAY DULY NOTED. MR. MR. CHAIRMAN . . OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU EVERYONE, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE IN RUNNING THE 10 MINUTES OVER. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. REMEMBER THE, UH, THE DE UH, DECEMBER THE 10TH IS OUR, UH, UH, HOLIDAY PARTY AT SIX O'CLOCK. UH, OKAY. SO JUST SAVE THE DATE. I'LL, I'LL FOLLOW UP RECORDING STOPPED. OKAY. I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH MORE PARTICULAR. WELL, THANK YOU AGAIN, UH, EVERYONE. THE EXTRA TIME NIGHT ALL NIGHT, EVERYONE. TONIGHT. NIGHT. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.