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OKAY.[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL AGENDA MEETING TO BE HELD VIA ZOOM-ENABLED VIDEO CONFERENCE THURSDAY, September 23, 2021 - 6:30 P.M. ]
SO WE'RE ALL SET.I THINK WE HAVE EVERYONE HERE EXCEPT THE ONE PERSON THAT PREVIOUSLY NOTIFIES YOU, ONE MEMBER THAT WOULD NOT BE HERE, BUT I THINK WE HAVE EVERYONE ELSE.
AND THE FIRST THING WE'RE GOING TO DO, WE'LL TAKE, JUST BE VERY SHORT, IS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES, UH, FROM THE, UH, SEPTEMBER 9TH MEETING.
AND I THINK SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE GIVEN, UH, LIZ COMMENTS.
SHE'S, SHE'S INTEGRATED THOSE.
AND, UH, UM, I, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO LIZ, UNLESS ANYONE ELSE HAS ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
SOMEONE WANNA SECOND AND THEN WE'LL VOTE SECOND.
UM, NOW, WE'LL, UM, THERE WAS ONE TREE PERMIT, UH, WHICH AARON SENT US.
AND AARON HAD, UH, UM, UM, IT'S THE COVERAGE, THE NEW COVERAGE, UH, UM, THAT AARON HAD WORKED OUT WITH THE APPLICANT.
WELL, EXCEEDED BOTH THE, UH, UM, C O TWO, UH, PARTICULATE, UH, RETENTION AND THE, UH, STORMWATER RETENTION.
AND SO WE DIDN'T PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR ANY, ANY, ANY SUBSTANTIVE REVIEW OTHER THAN JUST TO NOTIFY THAT, UH, THE TREE LAW SEEMS TO BE WORKING.
AND THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHERE WE WERE GOING TO HAVE, UH, REPLACEMENT TREES.
WELL, IN EXCESS OF, UH, WHAT'S TAKEN DOWN.
UNLESS THERE'S ANYTHING, UH, COMMISSIONER YOU WANNA ADD TO THAT? NO, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE LAW IS WORKING WELL, WE BELIEVE, UM, SO FAR, I KNOW MR. HOLGER'S BEEN KEEPING A TALLY OF REMOVALS VERSUS NEW TREES PLANTED.
UH, HE'S NOT WITH US THIS EVENING.
IN FACT, HE'S OUTTA THE COUNTRY, AND I'VE KIND OF BEEN HANDLING IT FOR HIM THE LAST WEEK AND A HALF.
AND I CAN TELL YOU IT IS A LOT OF WORK.
UH, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE BROUGHT SOMEONE ELSE ON THAT WAS CERTAINLY THE RIGHT CALL, UH, COLLECTIVELY BY OUR OFFICE, THE C A C MAKING ITS RECOMMENDATION, AND ULTIMATELY THE TOWN BOARD BRINGING SOMEONE ABOARD.
SO WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT BECAUSE, UH, THERE'S MULTIPLE CALLS COMING IN PER DAY.
THERE ARE, UM, MULTIPLE APPLICATIONS COMING IN ALMOST EVERY DAY.
I THINK FOLKS ARE TRYING TO SEE IF THEY CAN KIND OF NAVIGATE THE APPLICATION ON THEIR OWN.
UH, WHILE IN OTHER CASES, THE TREE REMOVAL COMPANIES HAVE DECIDED THAT THEY WOULD PROVIDE THAT AS A SERVICE TO THEIR CLIENTS.
SO SOME ARE DOING IT, SOME AREN'T.
SOME HOMEOWNERS ARE TRYING TO DO IT.
OTHERS, YOU KNOW, ARE REALLY LEANING ON US FOR ASSISTANCE.
AND, UM, ONE THING THAT, THAT I DID MENTION BY EMAIL, AND, AND I THINK IT'S WORTH NOTING, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE ALL KNOW, THIS ORDINANCE IS, IS VERY DETAILED.
I THINK IT'S THE BEST AROUND, UM, AND IT REQUIRES A LOT OF THINGS.
ONE OF WHICH IS THAT, UH, WHAT WE WANT TO SEE ARE THAT CERTIFIED ARBORISTS ARE THE ONES MAKING THE CALLS WITH RESPECT TO WHAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED TO CLIENTS, UH, IN TERMS OF TREES AND NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, THE LANDSCAPER SAYING, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT IT DOWN.
I COULD DO IT FOR A FEW HUNDRED BUCKS.
UM, WE HAVE, BEING THAT THIS HAS BEEN A MAJOR CHANGE IN TOWN, WHAT WE HAVE PERMITTED, AND I, AND WE'RE WELL WITHIN THE LINE OF DOING SO, IS THAT THE TREE SERVICE COMPANIES THAT, UH, DON'T HAVE CERTIFIED ARBORISTS ON STAFF, WE HAVE ALLOWED THEM TO CONSULT WITH CERTIFIED ARBORIST WITH THE FULL UNDERSTANDING THAT JANUARY 1ST, 2022, ALL COMPANIES THAT DO WORK IN TOWN WITH RESPECT TO TREES WHERE IT REQUIRES A CERTIFIED ARBORIST TO BE ON STAFF MUST BE EMPLOYED AND ON STAFF.
SO WE'VE SENT OUT LETTERS, UH, MR. HOGAR SENT OUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY LETTERS, AND WE'VE NOTIFIED THOSE COMPANIES THAT HAVE COME IN TO DO WORK THAT MAYBE WEREN'T ON OUR MASTER LIST.
SO WE'VE CONTINUED TO NOTIFY FOLKS OF THAT, AND PEOPLE UNDERSTANDS, AND IN FACT, I HAD A PHONE CALL WITH THE TREE SERVICE TODAY THAT SAID, GLAD YOU TOLD ME.
WE ACTUALLY READ THROUGH YOUR LAW AND, YOU KNOW, THE LEAD TREE MAN IS GOING TO
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GET THE LICENSE GOING INTO NEXT YEAR.SO THAT WAS GOOD INFORMATION, AND IT'S GOOD TO SEE THAT PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO DO IT AND TAKE THAT NEXT STEP.
AND IT SHOWS, AND WHAT IT WILL HOPEFULLY DEMONSTRATE DOWN THE ROAD IS THAT THE TOWN OF GREENBURG WILL BE HAVING A HIGHER LEVEL OF QUALITY TREE WORK BEING DONE, UM, BASED ON THIS REQUIREMENT.
SO WE'RE, UH, WE'RE HAPPY THAT FOLKS ARE, ARE MOVING THAT DIRECTION AND, UM, WE THINK IT'S GONNA PROVE OUT IN THE LONG RUN AND BE A BENEFIT TO THIS, TO THE COMMUNITY TREES OF GREENBURG.
SO I WON'T TAKE ANY MORE OF YOUR TIME, UH,
OH, WELL, THA WELL, THANK YOU BECAUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IS A MAJOR PROJECT OF CD AND C AND, AND, UH, AND, UH, SOME DEGREE THE CAC FOR A LONG TIME.
SO, LIZ, WERE YOU GONNA SAY SOMETHING? OKAY.
UM, AND I, WE'LL NOW MOVE TO THE APPLICATION, UM, AND I ASKED THE COMMISSIONER TO, BECAUSE IT'S SOMEWHAT COMPLEX, UM, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT, BUT THERE'S SOME, BECAUSE THERE'S SOMEWHAT COMPLEX AND THERE DOES, DOES SEEM TO BE SOME OPEN ISSUES.
UM, I ASKED THE COMMISSIONER IF HE'D BE KIND ENOUGH TO, UM, UH, GIVE US A LITTLE, UH, UH, HIST A LITTLE OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE PROJECT IS AND A LITTLE, UH, HISTORY ON THE RESEARCH THAT, UH, C D N C HAS HAVE DONE AND, AND ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOU WANTED TO MAKE BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT.
AND YES, SO WE DO HAVE, UH, THE APPLICANT AND THE OWNER ON THIS EVENING AS WELL AS THEIR REPRESENTATIVE, MR. RENADO.
I ALSO, UH, WANTED TO MENTION AND SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED EARLIER THAT WE DO HAVE OUR ASSISTANT PLANNER IN THE DEPARTMENT, MATTHEW BRITTEN.
HE IS ON THIS MEETING THIS EVENING, AND IN FACT, HE OPENED THE MEETING BECAUSE MY LAPTOP'S AT THE OFFICE
AND, UH, HE WAS HELPFUL IN THAT REGARD.
HE IS GONNA BE SITTING IN ON THE NEXT, UH, SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL.
HE'S CURRENTLY TAKING, UH, COURSES WITH RUTGERS UNIVERSITY EXTENSION TO BECOME A WETLAND DELINEATOR, MUCH LIKE I DID MANY, MANY MOONS AGO.
UM, SO WE'RE THANKFUL TO HAVE HIM ON AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HE'LL BE FOLLOWING, HE, HE HAS KNOWLEDGE OF THIS, THIS APPLICATION AS WELL.
I'LL TAKE THE LEAD ON IT FOR NOW, BUT ULTIMATELY I THINK HE'S GONNA BE A GREAT BENEFIT TO THE C A C DOWN THE ROAD.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT.
UM, SO YEAH, AS, AS MR. SIEGEL MENTIONED, THE CASE NUMBER IS PB 21 DASH 22 DERO ON CROSS HILL ROAD.
AND THIS IS FOR A WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT APPLICATION INVOLVING THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME POOL AND RELATED IMPROVEMENTS ON AN EXISTING VACANT LOT.
THE WATERCOURSE AND WATERCOURSE BUFFER ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 21,218 SQUARE FEET, AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING APPROXIMATELY 18,500 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO THE WATER COURSE ITSELF AND ITS REGULATED BUFFER AREA, WHICH PRETTY MUCH TAKE UP ALMOST THE ENTIRE, IF NOT THE ENTIRE LOT.
UH, THE EXISTING ONSITE WATER COURSE IN THIS CASE IS ACTUALLY PROPOSED TO BE REROUTED, UH, AROUND ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE THROUGH A 24 INCH PIPE.
OKAY, SO IT'S AN OPEN CHANNEL TODAY, THEY PROPOSE THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO PIPE IT INTO A 24 INCH PIPE, AS I MENTIONED, ROUTED AROUND THE PROPERTY, AND THEY PROPOSE TO TIE THAT 24 INCH PIPE INTO AN EXISTING 24 INCH PIPE, WHICH, UH, EXISTS ADJACENT TO THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.
UH, THE WATER COURSE CURRENTLY FUNCTIONS AS A STORMWATER DRAINAGE CHANNEL AND RUNS ROUGHLY DIAGONALLY ACROSS THE PROPERTY FROM THE SOUTHEAST CORNER TO THE NORTHWEST CORNER.
THE PROPERTY DOES CONTAIN A DERELICT POOL, AND SHED BOTH PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES APPROXIMATELY 500 CUBIC YARDS OF EXCAVATION.
THEY DON'T PROPOSE TO BRING IN ANY IMPORTED FILL.
THEY DO PROPOSE TO INSTALL, UH, CALTECH UNITS TO HANDLE STORMWATER RUNOFF FROM NEW IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
THE PROPERTY DOES HAVE, UH, A NUMBER OF REGULATED TREES.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE REMOVAL OF 22 OF THOSE.
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TO RETAIN A NUMBER OF TREES IN VARIOUS PORTIONS OF THE SITE, AND I, I WILL ASK THE APPLICANT TO WALK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THROUGH THAT.THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH MY OFFICE ON A LANDSCAPING PLAN.
OUR OFFICE PROVIDED FEEDBACK TO THE APPLICANT AND, UM, THEY DID MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PRELIMINARY LANDSCAPE PLAN, WHICH I BELIEVE I EMAILED OUT YESTERDAY TO THE C A C MEMBERS.
DID YOU NOT, DID ANYONE? NO ONE GOT THAT.
WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT WALK YOU THROUGH THAT THIS EVENING.
UM, WE DID WORK TOGETHER ON THAT AND, UM, I CAN GIVE MY INPUT AS THE APPLICANT KIND OF SPEAKS TO IT, OR AFTER THE APPLICANT SPEAKS TO THAT.
MY APOLOGIES FOR NOT GETTING IT OUT ELECTRONICALLY, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS PREPARED AHEAD OF TIME, UH, AND COMPLETED YESTERDAY.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE WATER COURSE ON THE SITE, THERE EXISTS A FLOWING STREAM ACROSS THE STREET DIAGONALLY TO THE SOUTH, TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UM, BUT YOU'LL, YOU'VE, IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE OR WHEN I WAS OUT THERE, YOU NOTICE THAT THAT SAME FLOW DOESN'T ENTER ONTO THE SUBJECT SITE.
SO I, PARDON ME FOR ONE SECOND.
SO, UM, WE WANTED TO EXPLORE WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WATER, WHERE WAS IT GOING? IT WAS CLEAR THAT IT WASN'T AT LEAST PREDOMINANTLY MAKING IT TO THE CHANNEL ACROSS THE STREET.
SO WE SUSPECTED THAT PERHAPS IT WAS REROUTED AT SOME, UH, TIME IN THE PAST.
AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, A LOT OF PEOPLE, AT LEAST HALF A DOZEN FOLKS OVER THE YEARS HAVE HAVE KIND OF, AS WE CALL IT, KICKED TI THE TIRES WITH RESPECT TO POTENTIALLY DEVELOPING THIS LOT.
AND WE HAD ALWAYS SAID, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ALWAYS INDICATED OUR SUSPICION THAT, THAT THE WATERCOURSE, OR AT LEAST A PORTION OF IT HAD BEEN REROUTED AT SOME POINT, BUT WE WERE UNSURE OF WHETHER OR NOT THE CHANNEL STILL MET THE DEFINITION OF A WATERCOURSE UNDER THE TOWN CODE.
UM, ULTIMATELY, THESE FOLKS AND THEIR PROFESSIONAL CAME FORWARD.
WE HAD THE SAME CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD WITH OTHERS, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO DIG UP, UM, MAPPING THROUGH OUR DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS AND BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, WHICH IN FACT DID SHOW THAT PRIMARILY THE, I'M SORRY, THE WATERCOURSE WAS PRIMARILY REROUTED UNDERNEATH CROSS HILL ROAD IN A SOUTHERLY DIRECTION THROUGH A PIPE, WHICH THE APPLICANT, UH, PROVIDED FOR ON ITS PLANS.
AND WE CAN SHOW YOU THAT THAT PLAN IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY SEEN IT.
UM, HOWEVER, THERE IS AN OVERFLOW.
SO THE STREAM CHANNEL RUNS DOWN TO CROSS HILL ROAD ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY AND WOULD ENTER INTO A PIPE.
UM, WHAT WAS DONE IS, AND, AND THEN REROUTED UNDER CROSS HILL ROAD.
THE PIPE THAT RUNS UNDER CROSS HILL AND, UM, FLOWS ACROSS THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY IS BASICALLY A, A SECONDARY MEASURE OR AN OVERFLOW FOR THE STREAM IN THE EVENT.
SO NO ONE WANTED TO SEE THIS PIPE FILL UP AND OVERFLOW ONTO THE ROAD.
YOU KNOW, IN THE EVENT OF A MAJOR RAIN EVENT LIKE LET'S SAY IDA A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
INSTEAD, THE OVERFLOW IS A SECONDARY PIPE THAT RUNS UNDERNEATH CROSS HILL ROAD AND WOULD EMPTY OUT INTO THE CHANNEL THAT CROSSES THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UM, FOR THAT REASON AND FOR THE FACT THAT IT MEETS OTHER PORTIONS OF THE DEFINITION OF A WATERCOURSE UNDER THE TOWN, UH, WETLANDS AND WATERCOURSE ORDINANCE CHAPTER TWO 80, THE STAFF'S DETERMINATION WAS THAT THIS IS IN FACT A WATERCOURSE THAT A WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT IS REQUIRED UNDER THE CODE, AND ULTIMATELY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO A RECOMMENDATION BY THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL, AND AN APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING BOARD THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO THAT HAS FILED THEIR APPLICATIONS.
AND IS HERE TONIGHT TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE C A C MEMBERS MEMBERS.
UM, AARON, UH, BEFORE WE GO TO THE APPLE, LET'S SEE IF ANYONE FROM THE CAC HAS ANY
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QUESTIONS.UH, WE APPRECIATE THIS BACKGROUND.
UH, ANYONE ON THE C A C HAS ANY QUESTIONS THEY WANNA ASK OF COMMISSIONER BEFORE WE GO TO THE APPLE? I, I, I HAD ONE IT DAYLIGHTS NOW, RIGHT? AND IT'S GOING TO, IT IS GONNA BE PIPED INSTEAD.
DOES THIS HAVE ANY ADVERSE EFFECT ON, UM, ON WHILE, WELL, I LOST YOU FOR A SECOND.
I'M SORRY, MIKE, I LOST YOU FOR A SECOND.
THIS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT RIGHT NOW, AND FROM THE PICTURES IN YOUR REPORT RIGHT NOW, A DAYLIGHTS KIND OF ON THE EDGE OF, UH, THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY.
SO WITH RESPECT TO WILDLIFE, I WOULD SAY THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME THOUGH LIKELY MINIMAL IMPACT.
I, I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE SOME, YOU'RE GOING FROM AN OPEN CORRIDOR THAT AT TIMES, UH, TRANSMITS WATER THROUGH THE CHANNEL TO A CLOSED SYSTEM, AS WE WOULD CALL IT, A, A FULLY PIPED SYSTEM ACROSS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
I WILL SAY THAT, UH, THE SMALL SECTION THAT WHERE THE WATER FLOWS OUT OF THE CULVERT THAT RUNS UNDERNEATH CROSS HILL ROAD, A PORTION OF THAT IS ACTUALLY ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY THAT WILL REMAIN OPEN.
IT MIGHT BE A 20 FOOT STRETCH ACROSS THE STREET WHERE THE STREAM FLOWS FAIRLY CONTINUALLY.
THAT IS IN A WOODED AREA THAT IS OPEN AND, AND CERTAINLY PROVIDES HABITAT.
SO THERE WILL BE A SECTION THAT WOULD BE PIPED AND I THINK THERE WOULD BE SOME IMPACT, BUT LIKELY MINIMAL, NOTHING SIGNIFICANTLY ADVERSE.
AND THE, THE OTHER QUESTION IS, DOES IF THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE PIPE, UM, THAT'S, UM, IN, IN, IN YOUR REPORT, UH, IT'S THE COLORED, UH, CHART.
UM, UH, IF THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE NEW PIPING, IF THERE A, UM, OBLIGATION IN THE CONDITIONS FOR IT TO BE, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, REPORTED TO C, D AND C AND AND MAINTAINED.
SO THERE WASN'T SPECIFICALLY THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COMES UP AT, AT THE PLANNING BOARD LEVEL, BUT I'M GLAD YOU ASKED IT.
UH, WE WOULD HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE C A C IN ITS RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING BOARD STATING THAT, UH, SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF THE C A C REQUIRE THAT, OR, UH, RECOMMEND THAT A MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR THE PIPE BE ESTABLISHED BY THE APPLICANT AND CONDITIONED AS PART OF ANY PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL AND BE MAINTAINED APPROPRIATELY.
SO THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
UH, THERE IS AN ELBOW, THERE WILL BE AN ELBOW, IF YOU WILL, ON THE PIPE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF A BRANCH OR SOMETHING GOT INTO THE PIPE, THAT COULD BE A, A CHOKE POINT.
SO IT, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND WOULD BE A, A VALUED RECOMMENDATION.
ANYBODY ELSE WANNA, STACY, WANT ANYTHING OF THE COMMISSIONER? NO, I JUST, I'M SORRY, GEORGE.
DO, DO YOU WANT TO GO, GO AHEAD.
SO A NUMBER OF THE TREES ARE VERY MATURE TREES, UM, AND, UH, MOST OF THEM ARE, ARE COMING DOWN.
UH, AS I LOOK AT THE BLUEPRINTS AND THE, THE LAYOUT DIAGRAM FOR IT, UH, FOR THAT, I SEE SOME OF THOSE TREES ARE PROBABLY NOT INTERFERING WITH THEIR PROPOSED, UM, CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOUSE AND THE DRIVEWAY AND, AND THE POOL AREA AND THE PORCH AREA.
AND SO I WONDER IF IT'S NECESSARY TO, UM, REMOVE ALL OF THE TREES THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, AND DO WE WANNA LOOK AT IT AND, AND SAY, THERE'S NOT A REASON TO TAKE SOME OF THESE PITU TREES DOWN.
IT'S JUST A CONCERN? THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION.
I'D LIKE TO LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THAT.
I DO KNOW THAT IN THE FRONT YARD AND, UH, THAT THEY DO HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR SEPTIC, THESE PROPERTY HERE IS NOT ON THE TOWN SEWER, SO THAT HAS TO BE, YOU CAN'T HAVE TREES ON TOP OF THE SEPTIC AREA, BUT I'M GONNA LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO IT.
I WILL SAY THAT ALTHOUGH YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, THEY HAVE DEVELOPED, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT, UM, IS FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT.
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I, I THINK IT WAS WELL DONE.WE'VE YET TO RUN THE FIGURES IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT IT MEETS THE CODE REQUIREMENT.
BUT, UH, KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS PROPERTY WOULD LIKELY FALL UNDER THE DEFINITION OF AN UNDEVELOPED FORESTED PROPERTY, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A DERELICT POOL AND A SHED.
IT WASN'T A TRUE PRINCIPLE STRUCTURE ON THIS LOT FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, IF THERE EVER EVEN WAS ONE.
AND THEREFORE, UM, THEY'D ONLY, THEY'D NEED TO MEET THE 30% REPLACEMENT REQUIREMENTS VERSUS THE 90% IF IT WAS DEVELOPED.
I THINK THEY'RE GONNA EASILY, THEY WILL EASILY EXCEED THE 30, COULD THEY BE SHORT OF 90? THAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT WOULD BE WELL WITHIN THE CODE.
UH, SO I'M GONNA LET THEM SPEAK TO THAT.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
AND, UH, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY GO THROUGH THE PLAN, I, I, I, I'D ASK THEM TO RESPOND TO THAT APPROPRIATELY.
GEORGE, ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THANK YOU, SHARON.
I, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO, UH, EXPRESS THIS, BUT IF THE, THE WATERCOURSE IS FOLLOWING A NATURAL PATH THAT DEVELOPED AND THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE, TAKE AWAY THE WATERCOURSE, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A HOUSE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT FLOW PATH THAT WATER SEEMS TO NATURALLY FOLLOW ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, ARE THEY GOING TO BE LOOKING AT REAL PROBLEMS WITH THAT? WELL, SHARON, UH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
MY, MY RESPONSE AND I, WE CAN LET THE APPLICANT REALLY DIVE INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THEY HAD TO WORK WITH THE TOWN'S BUREAU OF ENGINEERING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PIPING WAS GONNA BE ADEQUATE TO SERVE THE AMOUNT OF WATER, THE VOLUME OF WATER THAT WOULD MOVE THROUGH THIS CHANNEL.
UM, BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT THE PIPING AND THE ROUTING WILL BE DESIGNED TO PICK UP THE FLOW THAT MOVES THROUGH THE CHANNEL AT THE EDGE OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY AND THEN REROUTE IT AROUND THE OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY, INSIDE THE PROPERTY LINES.
BUT ALONG THE PERIMETER, I SHOULD SAY.
THEN THE CHANNEL ITSELF WOULD BE FILLED IN, UM, AND THERE'D BE SOME GRADING ON THE PROPERTY, BUT THAT'S HOW THEY, THEY INTEND TO KIND OF HANDLE THIS OR, OR ADDRESS IT, I SHOULD SAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT FULLY ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
SH SHARON, IF YOU HAVE, UH, THE C C REPORT, UH, THERE'S A COLOR CHART ON PAGE TWO THAT SHOWS THE, UM, UM, IN PURPLE WHERE THE CHANNEL IS, WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
AND AT THE, AND IN ORANGE IT'S KIND OF LIKE AN L UH, IT SHOWS KIND OF ON THE PERIMETERS, IT SHOWS THE, WHERE THE PIPING WOULD BE.
DO YOU SEE THAT SHARON? I I SAW THAT.
I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT WATER THAT WILL, I, I I, I ASSUME THAT THE GRADING WILL BE DONE TO ADDRESS THAT, AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL WORK, RIGHT? RIGHT.
IT'S RIGHT, IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS WATER FLOW.
SHARON, AS I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS, IS, IS, IS THE, IS THE WATER GONNA RECHANNEL ITSELF UNDER THE HOUSE? NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M ASKING.
I'M ASKING ABOUT WATER FROM A STORM THAT MIGHT CAUSE FLOODING IN THE HOUSE BECAUSE OF THE HOUSE BEING LOCATED IN A NATURAL FLOW PATTERN.
AND AS I SAID RIGHT, THE GRADING IS OBVIOUSLY THE WAY THEY WOULD ADDRESS THAT.
SO WE'LL LET THEM SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
BUT YEAH, IN MY COMMENTS, AND MY INITIAL THOUGHT ON YOUR QUESTION WAS THAT THAT SORT OF GETS HANDLED THROUGH THE REGRADING OF THE PROPERTY.
SO, UM, THEN I GUESS, I'M SORRY, LIZ.
DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT HAPPENED AFTER HURRICANE IDA ON BOTH THAT PROPERTY, ON THAT PARCEL AND THAT STREET IN GENERAL? I DO
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NOT.I'M GONNA ASK THE APPLICANT TO, UM, ANSWER THAT.
I'M, I'M NOT, I WAS MADE AWARE OF CERTAIN PROBLEM AREAS IN THE TOWN.
I DON'T RECALL THIS BEING ONE OF THE MAJOR PROBLEM AREAS.
NOT TO SAY THERE WEREN'T PROBLEMS, UM, BUT IN THE LIST THAT I CAN THINK OF OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, THIS WASN'T ONE OF THE THOSE IDENTIFIED MAJOR PROBLEM AREAS.
AND THE OTHER IS JUST TECHNICAL SINCE I'M NEW TO SOME OF THIS WORK, THE P V C PIPING, IS THAT, LIKE, DOES THAT LAST FOREVER? OR WHAT IS THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF A P V C PIPE
YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, FOREVER IS HARD TO SAY, BUT IT, IT, IT, IT IS THE STANDARD THESE DAYS.
I'LL, I'LL PUT IT THAT WAY, IN THE INDUSTRY LONGER THAN MOST OF US.
NANCY, UH, ANY, UH, UH, NANCY, UM, ALFRED, UH, LAUREN, ANY QUESTIONS? UH, COMMISSIONER BEFORE WE GO? THE APPLE.
UH, UH, WHO'S GOING TO SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT? THE OWNER OR, UH, UH, UH, MR. RENADO OR WHO, WHO WANTS TO START? I COULD SPEAK FOR, YEAH, I, I COULD SPEAK FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, SO FIRST I'D LIKE TO THANK AARON FOR, FOR, UM, BASICALLY DOING A LOT OF MY JOB FOR ME.
SO
UM, I KNOW I, I'M ASSUMING EVERYBODY'S BEEN CIRCULATED, THE PLANS, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS, UH, I'M, I DIDN'T, WE, OUR OFFICE DIDN'T PERSONALLY PREPARE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, BUT I DO HAVE A COPY OF IT THAT I COULD, I COULD BRING UP SO THAT EVERYBODY COULD TAKE A LOOK AND I COULD, UH, WALK YOU THROUGH IT AS, AS BEST I CAN.
WE'RE WE'RE MORE ENGINEERS AND LESS, UM, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS, SO IT'S KIND OF OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW.
UM, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE, I WILL START WITH THAT AND THEN MAYBE WE'LL LOOP BACK JUST TO THE QUESTIONS THAT EVERYBODY JUST HAD.
AND I'LL, I'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH SOME, UH, UH, SOME SUBJECTS AND, UH, EXAMPLES THAT WE HAVE FOR THE EXISTING PIPING AND DRAINAGE THROUGH A LOT, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UM, LET ME JUST SEE IF I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN CORRECTLY HERE, AND I'LL GO INTO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
RIGHT NOW, EVERYBODY CAN SEE THIS CLEAR ENOUGH OR NOT.
UH, WE'LL ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT HERE.
SO THE NEW, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE AND THE RESIDENCE AND PROPOSED POOL, UM, IT DO TAKE UP A BIT OF THE LOT.
THIS AREA HERE WILL BE SEPTIC, THE MAJORITY OF IT, UH, EITHER SEPTIC AREA OR EXPANSION AREA.
SO WE, I MEAN, WE REALLY TRIED TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF TREES THAT WERE COMING OUT.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE SOME HERE THAT ARE REMAINING, AND I BELIEVE SOME HERE THAT ARE GONNA REMAIN AS WELL.
UM, BUT IT, IT, IT WAS DIFFICULT WITH, WITH THE PIPING THAT'S GONNA BE GOING THROUGH AND, YOU KNOW, JUST THE, THE NATURE OF THE LOT AND THE, THE SIZE OF THE LOT AND THE FACT THAT WE NEED A SEPTIC AREA, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR PORTION OF TOWN TO, TO REALLY LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF TREES THAT WE'RE GONNA COME DOWN.
UM, UH, I'M SURE IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IF ANYBODY IN IN THE COUNCIL WANTS TO TAKE A SECOND LOOK AT ANY OF THE TREES THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED, AND THEY THINK THAT THERE IS A WAY THAT WE COULD VIABLY SAVE THEM AND THEY WOULD STILL SURVIVE, EVEN WITH THE PROXIMITY TO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING, UM, I'M, I'M MORE THAN SURE THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO LOOK AT THAT.
UM, I MEAN, THE MORE TREES THAT NEED TO BE REMOVED AND REPLACED IS JUST, IS GONNA BE MORE EXPENSE.
SO THE, THE LESS THAT THEY COULD TAKE OUT WOULD BE THE BETTER.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO MEET, UH, ONE OF, ONE OF OUR MEMBERS IS GOING AND LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ARRANGE A, YOU KNOW, A MEETING WITH HIM TO, UH, TO LOOK AT THAT? CERTAINLY, YEAH.
WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO WALK IT.
UM, AND, AND TAKE ANY, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, UM, TREE PROFESSIONALS.
SO, YOU KNOW, HE DID, WE DID HAVE THIS PLAN CREATED BY AN OUTSIDE FIRM THAT'S, THAT'S A LITTLE MORE, UH, A LITTLE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE IN THIS ASPECT.
BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY INSIGHT THAT YOU COULD OFFER AS FAR AS PRESERVING TREES THAT, THAT AREN'T GONNA, YOU KNOW, RESULT IN, IN, UM, RE REDUCING THE HOUSE BY 50% OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I'M SURE THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD HAVE NO, NO PROBLEM IN, IN LOOKING AT THAT.
AND WE WOULD GLADLY TAKE NO ONE'S TALKING ABOUT REDUCING THE HOUSE BY 50.
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MIGHT HAVE.THEY'RE NOT REALLY, UH, HEARTSET ON, ON EVEN, YOU KNOW, THE REMOVALS AND, AND EVEN SOME OF THE PLAN THINGS.
I'M SURE IF THEY NEEDED TO BE CHANGED OUT OR, OR REARRANGED OR, OR DONE IN A DIFFERENT MANNER, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE FINE AS WELL.
UH, SO ANY, ANY INSIGHT OR ANY KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU GUYS COULD OFFER THERE WOULD BE GREAT.
IF I NEEDED TO MEET SOMEBODY OUT ON SITE, I'M SURE THE OWNER WOULD, WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ATTEND AS WELL.
IF WE, IF WE GO THAT ROUTE, UH, AARON WILL LET YOU KNOW.
UM, SO THE, THE, THE EXISTING TREES ON THE LOT RIGHT NOW ARE KIND OF, ARE KIND OF SCATTERED, UM, THROUGHOUT THIS, THIS WASN'T REALLY A, A MAINTAINED PIECE OF LAND.
IT ORIGINALLY WAS OWNED ACTUALLY BY THE, UH, THE PERSON WHO LIVED OVER HERE ON RO SHAMBO ALSO FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, PURCHASED THIS BUILDING LOT AT SOME POINT WHEN IT CAME UP FOR SALE SO THAT THEY COULD, THEY COULD HAVE SOME PRIVACY.
UM, AND WE ACTUALLY WORKED FOR THAT OWNER QUITE, QUITE SOME LONG TIME AGO WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY SOLD THEIR HOUSE ON ROSHAMBO.
UM, AND DECIDED TO SEPARATE THIS LOT BY, BY HELPING THEM DEVELOP SORT OF A SEPTIC AREA AT THAT TIME, A LOT OF THE, IT WAS A LOT MORE MAINTAINED AT THE TIME THAT THEY HAD IT.
'CAUSE THEY, THEY DID MOW IT AND KEEP IT NICE AND, UM, IT WASN'T, RIGHT NOW IT'S KIND OF ALL BRUSHED AND, AND VERY OVERGROUND, ALMOST LIKE AARON SAID, ALMOST IN A FORESTING CONDITION.
UM, SO, SO THAT HAS KIND OF JUST COME ABOUT IN THE, I'M GONNA SAY IN THE LAST, OH GEEZ, IT'S BEEN ALMOST 12 OR 13 YEARS NOW, UM, SINCE, SINCE WE INITIALLY STARTED WITH, UH, WITH THE ORIGINAL OWNER.
SO A LOT OF THE TREES THAT ARE HERE ARE, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T REALLY PLANTED.
THEY'RE JUST SCATTERED TREES THAT, THAT KIND OF TOOK ROOT HOLD AND, AND, AND GREW OVER TIME.
UM, THE, THE ONES THAT ARE IN, YOU KNOW, THE MORE CENTER MASS OF THE LOT HERE ARE, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, INSIDE OUR, THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE GONNA BE REMOVED AND THERE'S, THEY'RE, THEY'RE HOPING TO CREATE MORE OF A SCREENED, YOU KNOW, LOOKS LIKE LANDSCAPED, UH, BUFFER ON THE OUTER EDGES OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE IS, THERE IS A NEIGHBOR OVER HERE THAT'S IN A, IN A DECENT PROXIMITY, UM, THAT, THAT WILL NEED TO BE SCREENED.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A NEIGHBOR BACK HERE THAT'S IN A DECENT PROXIMITY AS WELL.
UH, THIS NEIGHBOR'S A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY, BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S, THERE'S JUST KIND OF OPEN LAND IN BETWEEN THOSE NEIGHBORS AND A LOT OF THE HOUSES ON THE BLOCK ARE, ARE SORT OF IN THAT SAME CHARACTER.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I MEAN, THIS PLAN HAS LISTED HERE ALL THE SPECIES THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY CAN SEE AT, AT THE, IF, IF YOU COULD WALK US THROUGH THAT, I THINK THAT'D BE HELPFUL.
UM, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE, UH, NEW RED MAPLES AND TWO AND A HALF TO THREE INCH CALIPER.
THERE WILL BE TWO NEW TREES THERE.
THOSE ARE GOING, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SEE THAT EXACT LOCATION.
UM, I, I THINK IN THE FRONT YARD, I THINK THOSE ARE GOING IN THE FRONT.
YEAH, THESE ARE THE RED MAPLES.
ONE HERE AND LOOKS LIKE ONE THERE AS WELL.
UM, THERE IS GREEN GIANT ARBOR, 15 GALLON.
THERE WILL BE THREE, I BELIEVE THOSE ARE IN THE BACK, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, AARON, I THINK YOU'VE LOOKED AT THIS PLANT A LOT.
OH, HERE'S THE, YEAH, ON THE UPPER LEFT AND THE UPPER RIGHT, I THINK.
HERE'S THE GRID, JOHN AES UP HERE.
UM, THOSE LOOK LIKE THEY'RE GONNA REPLACE SOME EXISTING PINES THAT, THAT I THINK WERE PLANTED AS SOME ATTEMPTED SCREENING, UH, A LONG TIME AGO.
UM, THE LELAND CYPRESS 15 GALLON, THERE WILL BE 14 OF THOSE.
UM, YEAH, THOSE ARE TO THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT OF THE HOUSE TO THE LEFT AND RIGHT OF THE HOUSE.
I'M, I'M ASSUMING TO PROVIDE SOME SCREENING.
UH, THERE WILL BE A THREE 15 GALLON WHITE FURS THAT ARE IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY HERE, HERE AND HERE, SCATTERED, UM, EASTERN RED CEDAR, 15 GALLON SIX OF THOSE THAT ARE ALSO PLANTED IN, IN THIS REAR PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, SORT OF ADJACENT TO THE POOL.
UM, SORT SCREENING THIS POOL EQUIPMENT AS WELL.
UH, EASTERN WHITE PINE 15 GALLON, THERE WILL BE SIX, WHICH WILL BE PLANTED IN THE, IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ARROWWOOD FOR NUM THREE GALLON, THERE WILL BE 10 OF THOSE.
UM, YEAH, WE HAD, RIGHT, WE HAD THOSE SITUATED, UM, AROUND THE AREA WHERE THE STREAM WILL BE PIPED TO AND THEN PICKED UP IN THE PIPE ON THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
OH, SEE, SO, UM, IN THE REAR, I KNOW FOR A FACT IN THE REAR CORNER, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE OTHER FIVE ARE.
I THINK MAYBE THEY'RE IN THE YEAH, THEY'RE IN THE REAR HERE IT LOOKS LIKE.
AND THEN, UH, IT'S LOOKING LIKE THERE'S TWO HERE
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IN THE, IN THE FRONT CORNER AND THE OTHER THREE ARE HERE IN THE OTHER FRONT CORNER.UM, CAN, UH, LET ME, I'M JUST CURIOUS, AARON, THERE'S NO SEWERS IN THIS AREA.
EVERYTHING'S SEPTIC HERE IN THIS COURSE.
IMMEDIATE NECK OF THE WOODS, YES.
BECAUSE I KNOW THE POLICY FOR YEARS OF THE PLANNING BOARD HAS BEEN, UH, FOR PEOPLE TO DO, UH, SEWERS AND GET OFF OF SEPTIC.
BUT IF THIS
IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A SUBDIVISION.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE PLANNING BOARD.
IT CAN ASK ANYTHING IT WISHES.
UM, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A FEW HUNDRED FEET AWAY.
IT'S NOT AS IF THE NEXT PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, ADJACENT IS ON SEWER AND THEY JUST HAVE TO EXTEND IT, YOU KNOW, 25 FEET OR SOMETHING.
I, I BELIEVE IT'S SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET.
IT WOULD JUST THINK FOR A, IT WOULD SEEM THAT ANY RECOMMENDATION WE WOULD MAKE ON THE LANDSCAPING PLAN WOULD BE CONTINGENT ON SEPTIC, UH, NOT A SEWER HOOKUP.
BECAUSE IF THE PLANNING BOARD, 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLAN, I MEAN, I AGREE WITH YOU, YOU DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD WILL DO, BUT IF THE PLANNING BOARD WERE TO REQUIRE A SEWER HOOKUP, PRESUMABLY WE'D HAVE A MUCH DIFFERENT LANDSCAPING PLAN.
OR, OR, OR IS MY PRESUMPTION NOT RIGHT? YOU PROBABLY WOULD HAVE, UM, SOME MORE TREES IN THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A RATHER LARGE AREA THAT THEY NEED FOR THE SEPTIC.
I BELIEVE EVEN THESE DAYS, NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE, UH, THE FIELDS, BUT YOU HAVE TO SHOW SPACE AVAILABLE FOR EXPANSION.
I'VE SEEN IT BEFORE ON OTHER LOTS, AND YOU CAN'T HAVE THOSE AREAS, UH, WOODED.
NOW, IF THERE WAS A SEWER HOOKUP, YOU KNOW, WE'D LOOK TO, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT THERE ARE MANY GORGEOUS LARGE TREES COMING OUT OF THE PROPERTY AS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT AS PART OF HAVING THE CONVERSATION WITH THE OWNERS, THAT WE WOULDN'T SEEK TO, YOU KNOW, TRY AND GET A, A, A NICE GROWING LARGE SHADE TREE, YOU KNOW, ONTO THE PROPERTY THAT THAT'S NATIVE AND, YOU KNOW, BEARS NUTS OR, YOU KNOW, HAS THE, THE FRUIT, UM, THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE A NICE PRIME AREA FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE NOT TOO CLOSE TO THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD IT IN THE MID RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
I'M ASSUMING THAT JUST THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE TREES ON A SEPTIC, IS THAT, IS THAT OVER A SEPTIC? IS THAT BECAUSE THE ROOTS? THAT'S RIGHT.
CAN YOU HAVE A SHALLOW ROOT, LARGE SHRUBS? UM, THEY, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T ALLOW, SO HEALTH DEPARTMENT DOES NOT ALLOW ANY, ANY PLANTINGS REALLY, UM, WITHIN 10 FEET OF THE SEPTIC AREA.
SO YOU CAN'T HAVE, HOW CAN YOU HAVE LIKE, UH, A PARTICULAR TYPE OF GRASSES? I MEAN, YOU DON'T NEED IT THERE.
YEAH, SO IT'S, IT'S, THEY DESCRIBE IT AS MAINTAINED LAWN, UM, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT PARTICULAR GRASS IT IS.
I, I DON'T THINK REALLY, REALLY MATTERS TO THEM.
UM, BUT, BUT THEY DO WANT IT TO BE MAINTAINED.
THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
THIS IS BASICALLY THIS WHOLE AREA HERE.
ACTUALLY, IF I GO TO, IF I GO TO THIS PLAN HERE, UM, IT'S A LITTLE MORE WHERE'S THE, BUT WHERE'S THE SEPTICS IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THE SEPTIC IS, IS THIS AREA HERE IS THE PRIMARY SEPTIC AREA? YEAH.
AND THEN THERE IS, THERE IS AN EXPANSION AREA.
AARON, ARE YOU STILL THERE BY THE WAY? THAT APPEARS TO BE THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
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SEPTIC DOES FAIL.UM, JEREMY, WE LOST YOU FOR A MOMENT.
SO IF YOU COULD JUST, UH, GO THROUGH THAT ONE MORE TIME.
UM, SO THIS, THIS WAS, THIS HERE IS THE SEPTIC AREA, THIS BOXED AREA.
IS, IS THE PRIMARY AREA WHERE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM WOULD BE.
UM, AND ADJACENT TO THAT, HERE IS ANOTHER AREA, THE A HUNDRED PERCENT EXPANSION AREA, WHICH NEEDS TO BE EARMARKED FOR FUTURE USE.
UM, BOTH OF THOSE AREAS COME WITH THE SAME CAVEAT THAT WE CANNOT, THEY NEED TO BE EITHER SEPTIC PLACED THERE OR PREPPED AT ALL TIMES FOR FUTURE SEPTIC AREA, UM, IF THEY SHOULD NEED IT.
SO, SO THEY'LL BOTH COME WITH THOSE SAME REQUIREMENTS.
SO YOU WOULDN'T EVEN BE ABLE TO PLANT IN THE EXPANSION AREA BECAUSE IT HAS THAT SAME, IT HAS THAT SAME REQUIREMENT OF THERE BEING NO TREES WITHIN 10 FEET.
AND, AND JEREMY, I'M SORRY, MAY I, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? MM-HMM.
SO, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE AN AWFUL LOT OF PINES AND FURS AND NOT ALL THAT MUCH IN, IN TERMS OF HARDWOOD TREES.
UH, I, I KNOW YOU'RE LIMITED TO THE, THE BORDER AND THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, UM, SCREENING.
UH, BUT IS THERE SOME WAY WE CAN GET SOME OTHER, YOU KNOW, LIKE AS YOU MENTIONED BEFORE, AARON, YOU KNOW, SOME FRUIT BEARING TREES FROM NUT BEARING TREES, YOU KNOW, SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST A, A CONTINUANCE ROW OF PINES.
UM, YEAH, I, I DON'T, SO I, I MIGHT EVEN JUST, UH, DEFER TO THE DEROS THE OWNERS FOR THAT.
I, I, I CAN'T SEE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE ANY ISSUE TO, TO REALLY ANY INPUT AT ALL WITH THE PLANTINGS.
UM, BUT, BUT I WOULD ASK THEM TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
HELLO? UM, WE DEFINITELY WANT SOME FRUIT TREES.
UM, WE JUST, UM, DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD OUR SUPPLY THAT
WE DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD TO SUPPLY, YOU KNOW, WE CAME UP WITH THAT.
WE NEEDED THIS PLAN BY LIKE THURSDAY OF LAST WEEK.
WE DEFINITELY WANT A LOT MORE TREES AND THAT'S ALREADY THERE, YOU KNOW, WE PUT IN WHAT WE NEEDED TO PUT IN MM-HMM.
WE HAVE LIKE, WE HAVE FIG TREES NOW THAT ARE IN OUR PLANTERS WAITING TO BE PUT PLANTED,
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, YES, WE WANT SOME FLOWERING TREES.
UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS, YOU KNOW, WHY WE LOOK FORWARD TO, TO MOVING TO THAT LOCATION.
THERE'S JUST, THERE'S SO MUCH POTENTIAL FOR, YOU KNOW, PRIVACY AND, AND JUST BEAUTY.
UM, WE HAVE, UM, IN THE FRONT, IF YOU NOTICE IN THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE OF TREES THAT ARE, THAT ARE, IF YOU LOOK ON THE PLAN, WELL, YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE THE PLAN, BUT IF YOU LOOK ON THE, UH, THE, UH, THE, THAT PLAN THERE, UH, YEAH, THAT WOULD GIVE IT TO ME.
YOU SEE THOSE TREES IN THE CORNER THERE? YEAH, THERE ARE, THERE ARE QUITE THOSE WE'RE GONNA KEEP THAT WE'RE GONNA KEEP.
AND THE OTHER ONE WE'RE GONNA KEEP, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE ON THE, ON THE, UH, LANDSCAPING PLAN.
I THINK THERE WAS TWO OF THEM.
YOUR ORIGINAL PLAN HAD LIKE 22 TREES BEING TAKEN.
SO WE, SO IT'S NOT REALLY 22 NOW.
IT'S THAT THAT'S HELPFUL INFORMATION AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
SO I, I, I MEAN I, I THINK IT REALLY, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S POSSIBLE OR NOT, BUT IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANTED TO CIRCULATE AND, AND MARK UP THE LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED, I, I DON'T THINK WE'D HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH WITH, UH, WELL, UH, LET ME JUMP IN FOR A MOMENT.
UM, MY THOUGHT WOULD BE, AND, AND, AND C A C MEMBERS FEEL FREE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, STOP ME IN MY TRACKS, BUT WHAT I'VE SEEN IN THE PAST IS, YOU KNOW, STAFF HAS A SENSE OF WHAT THE C A C IS IS ESSENTIALLY RECOMMENDING HERE, UM, THE APPLICANT DOES AS WELL.
UH, I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST THE C A C IN ITS RECOMMENDATIONS HAS ADDED A RECOMMENDATION THAT MORE OR ADDITIONAL NATIVE FRUIT AND NUT BEARING TREES BE ADDED TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
SOUNDS LIKE THE APPLICANT AND THE OWNER IS AGREEABLE TO THAT.
STAFF IS HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO SUPPLEMENT THE PLAN OR EVEN SWAP OUT, YOU KNOW, IF NEED BE JUST DUE TO SPACE CONSTRAINTS, SWAP OUT A FEW OF THE EVERGREENS AND SWAP IN SOME MORE FLOWERING FRUITING AND, AND NUT BEARING TREES.
NO, YOU, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
UH, COMMISSIONER, WE WILL, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST AND WE WOULD DO THAT HERE.
YOU GET THE SENSE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND IT THAT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WHAT WE'RE
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TALKING ABOUT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE, THE OWNER'S PLAN.SO IT OUGHT TO GET, IT OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO WORK OUT.
BUT I DO HAVE THIS ONE QUESTION OF, UH, JEREMY, COULD YOU PLEASE SEND THE COMMISSIONER, UM, THE REGULATION ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN PUT ON TOP OF A SSEP EXPANSION SEPTIC? I UNDERSTAND FOR AN EXISTING SEPTIC, THE RATIONALE OF THAT, UH, RULE, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND IT FOR AN EXPANSION SEPTIC BECAUSE EXPANSION SEPTIC MAY NEVER BE USED.
AND IF IT WERE USED, YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE OPTION OF REMOVING WHAT'S ON TOP THERE.
SO COULD YOU PLEASE SEND THE COMMISSIONER THAT, UH, THE RULE AS IT RELATES TO THE EXPANSION AREA? YEAH, YEAH, I COULD, I COULD, UM, UH, I MEAN WE, WE, WE DO A LOT OF SEPTICS IN MY LINE OF WORK, SO IT UNFORTUNATELY IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ON A REGULAR BASIS.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT IF, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE EXPANSION AREA, UM, YEAH, IN, IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE, I BELIEVE THERE IS, THERE MAY BE SOME, YEAH.
JAMMA, WE LOST YOU THAT ARE THERE.
UM, JIM JAMMA, WE LOST YOU AND LOST ME AGAIN FOR A SECOND.
YEAH, YOU, THE SENTENCE WAS IN THIS EXPANSION AREA AND THEN WE LOST YOU.
SO IN THE EXPANSION AREA IN THE PRIMARY AREA, UM, THEY, THEY WILL SOMETIMES ALLOW US FOR A WAIVER, AND THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T ALLOW IT AT THE TIME OF APPROVAL, BUT THEY DO ALLOW IT AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION TO KEEP ANY TREES OR MATERIAL THAT IS IN THAT EXPANSION AREA UNTIL IT SHOULD BE NEEDED.
SO THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO REMOVE THE TREES THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING.
UM, AS FAR AS PLANTINGS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY, THAT THEY STILL WILL NOT ALLOW.
I, I CAN GET YOU SOMETHING FROM THE DEPARTMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S DESCRIPTIVELY WRITTEN INTO THEIR CODE OR NOT, OR IF IT'S JUST KIND OF AN IN-HOUSE POLICY THAT THEY HAVE.
UM, WELL, J JEREMY, I MEAN, LET'S JUST TAKE YOUR EXPERIENCE.
I'M SURE YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE CORRECT IN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, IF IT WERE THE CASE THAT YOU COULD GET A WAIVER TO KEEP TREES IN THE EXPANSION AREA, ONE, HOW MANY TREES ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? AND TWO, WHAT WOULD BE THE OWNER'S VIEWS OF THAT? WOULD THEY LIKE THAT OR NOT LIKE THAT? OR WHAT, I'M SORRY, I LOST YOU THERE FOR A SECOND.
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MY CONNECTION OR, UH, JIM, JIM, WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
I, I'M ASSUMING WHAT YOU SAY IS RIGHT, UH, MM-HMM.
JUST, JUST GIMME THE QUESTION PART.
SO, UM, JEREMY, IF YOU PAN TO THE RIGHT, YEAH.
YOU CAN SHOW US THAT APPROXIMATE AREA AND THAT YEAH, I CAN SHOW, I CAN SHOW YOU.
IT'S, IT'S APPROXIMATELY THIS AREA HERE THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE.
UM, SO IT WOULD BE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 TREES THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE SAY, BUT I BELIEVE THOSE ARE ALREADY, I BELIEVE THOSE ARE ALREADY MARKED ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN TO REMAIN.
UM, YEAH, IT'S FAIRLY OPEN, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH IN THE AREA WHERE THE SEPTIC AND THE EXPANSION AREA IS, YOU KNOW, OFF THE ROAD EDGE AND, AND THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE, IT, IT, IT'S PRETTY OPEN IN TERMS OF WHAT EXISTS THERE TODAY.
SO IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS LIKE ON THIS, THERE'S ONLY TWO TREES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANYWAY, RIGHT? UH, I WOULD BE MAYBE JUST CLUSTER THERE.
CAN I ASK A PLANTING QUESTION, UM, REGARDING THIS AREA, IS IT POSSIBLE ON TOP OF SEPTIC, I MEAN, IT, IT SOUNDS, LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A LARGE SUNNY AREA AND WITH NATIVE PLANTING BECOMING VERY IMPORTANT FOR ALL THE LOCAL POLLINATORS, CAN YOU DO A SUN POLLINATOR FLOWER AREA OR? SO, UH, I, I COULD OFFER THIS, UM, AS, AS SORT OF MY EXPERIENCE, THE, THE EXPANSION AREA AS WELL AS THE SEPTIC AREA THAT WE HAVE.
IF YOU KINDA LOOK AT THIS PLAN HERE, UM, THEY NEED TO BE 10 FEET OFF OF THE EXISTING PROPERTY LINE AND, AND THEY ARE EVERY BIT OF 10 FEET OFF OF THE EXISTING PROPERTY LINE AS, AS FAR AS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SEPTIC IS DESIGNED HERE JUST 'CAUSE THIS LOT IS, IS PRETTY TIGHT.
UM, E EVEN BEING A, A MODERATELY SMALL-SIZED HOUSE.
UM, SO THERE REALLY ISN'T A LOT OF AREA THERE THAT WE COULD PLANT.
I MEAN, IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT THERE WOULD BE A ALLOWED TO PLANT IN THE, IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, I, I DON'T SEE THAT THERE WOULD BE ANY ISSUE THERE AT ALL.
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BUT I DON'T JEREMY IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.JEREMY, WHAT IF THERE WAS, WHAT IF THERE WAS A A A, YOU KNOW, LIKE A FIVE FOOT STRIP ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, SORT OF WHERE IT SAYS R YOU KNOW, EQUALS EIGHT 90.00 LENGTH EQUALS ONE 20.0, LIKE A FIVE FOOT SWATH.
THAT WAS SORT OF LIKE A, RATHER THAN A LAWN, YOU KNOW, MOWED LAWN MIX THAT IT WAS MORE LIKE A, LIKE A WILD FLOWER SEED MIX.
AND THAT COULD EXPAND INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO IN THERE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT WENT OVER THE PROPERTY LINE A LITTLE BIT, I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY GONNA HARM ANYONE.
UM, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO ORIGINATE ON YOUR, ON, YOU KNOW, THE CLIENT'S PROPERTY ON THE APPLICANT'S.
OR, OR EVEN JUST PLANT QUITE HONESTLY, RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE WOULD, WOULD BE FINE.
OR, OR RIGHT ADJACENT TO, YOU KNOW, A FOOT OR A HALF A FOOT INTO THE PROPERTY.
AND THIS ISN'T MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, LIKE A, JUST AN, A MEADOW AT, AT WITH WILD FLOWERS.
IT'S NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT'S, THAT I THINK WOULD NECESSARILY VIOLATE THE SPIRIT OF THE, THE EXPANSION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT OR GET YOU INTO, GET YOU INTO TROUBLE WITH, YOU KNOW, BEING CLOSE TO THE EXPANSION AREA OR SOMETHING.
YEAH, NO, NO, THAT, THAT WOULDN'T, THAT WOULDN'T, BUT I, I WAS JUST OFFERING UP TOO AS WELL AS THE TREES SO WE COULD, I COULD SHOW MORE ACCURATELY WHERE THAT 10 FOOT OFFSET IS TO THE EXPANSION AREA AND SEE IF THERE IS SPACE TO PLANT, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING IN THERE.
'CAUSE THERE VERY WELL MAY BE A FOOT OR A TWO FOOT STRIP WHERE THEY COULD, UM, WHERE WE'D BE ABLE TO TUCK SOME MORE, SOME MORE PLANTINGS IN OR TREES.
LET ME JUST ASK, UH, THE OWNERS, DO THEY HAVE ANY, DO YOU WOULD HAVE ANY PROBLEM TO, UH, JEREMY AND AARON EXPLORING WHAT THEY'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT? JOHN, YOU STILL, YOU, YOU'RE ON MUTE THERE, JOHN.
SO ALONG THAT WHOLE FRONT, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
IF YOU LOOK WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS, THAT WHOLE FRONT RIGHT NOW HAS BUSHES AND TREES.
THEY'RE NOT MARKING THE BUSHES, BUT THERE'S ALL BUSHES OVER THERE.
TALL BUSHES, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY CONSIDERED TREES AND THE WHOLE AREA IN THE FRONT THERE IS SCREENED OFF.
I'M FINE WITH REPLACING, YOU KNOW, KEEPING WHAT I COULD KEEP AND PUT IN WHAT I WANT TO PUT IN.
I'M FINE WITH THE WHOLE FRONT AREA FROM THE DRIVEWAY OVER BEING COMPLETELY SCREENED OFF TREES, WHATEVER I COULD PUT, 'CAUSE I CAN'T PUT TREE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, OF THE, OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
LIKE I WOULD LOVE TO BECAUSE OF THE SEPTIC THERE.
SO, SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY, SO, SO YOU WOULD BE OKAY FOR, UH, THE COMMISSIONER AND YOUR EXPERT TO TRY TO WORK SOMETHING OUT AND PRESENT IT TO YOU AND, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD HAVE THE FINAL SAY, BUT UH, FOR THEM TRYING TO WORK SOMETHING OUT, THEY'VE BEEN TALKING.
AND AARON, HOW WOULD WE DESCRIBE THIS IN THE, UH, IN, IN THE RECOMMENDATION? UH, I WOULD JUST, UM, KEEP IT FAIRLY SIMPLE, BUT SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES THAT THE C A C FURTHER RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT, ITS DESIGN PROFESSIONAL AND THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER COORDINATE ON, UM, DEFINING A, A PLANTING AREA TO SUPPORT.
HOW ABOUT TREES AND VEGETATION ACCEPTABLE FOR AN, UH, SEPTIC EXPANSION AREA THAT WORKS, IT LEAVES IT A LITTLE OPEN.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THE C A C WANTED IT A LITTLE MORE.
UM, MAYBE OPEN IS GOOD AND GIVES A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY PORTION OF THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WANTED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FOCUSED ON, UM, WHETHER YOU WANT TO CALL IT A POLLINATOR PATHWAY
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OR, YOU KNOW, UM, A A A A MEADOW AREA THAT'S SUPPORTIVE OF LOCAL POLLINATORS.YEAH, WE CAN ADD THAT, UH, PROBABLY, UH, PATHWAY, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF FEASIBLE.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I KNOW THIS HAS BECOME, YOU KNOW, MORE, UM, I, I'VE SEEN IT MORE FREQUENTLY AS OF LATE, THE IMPORTANCE OF IT, UM, HAVING THESE POLL POLLINATOR PATHWAYS AND I CAN SEE THIS BECOMING MORE FREQUENTLY ASKED UPON BY THE TOWN THROUGH STAFF, THROUGH ITS C A C, THROUGH THE PLANNING BOARD, THROUGH OTHER BOARDS.
UM, AND IT'S NICE TO SEE THAT THIS APPLICANT IS, IS AGREEABLE TO IT EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, A REQUIREMENT.
SO I, I APPLAUD THE APPLICANT FOR THAT.
UM, LIZ, WHAT WORDS WOULD YOU, YOU WANNA USE IS POLLINATOR PATHWAY? OKAY.
LEY, YEAH, I WOULD, THAT POLLINATOR PATHWAY SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.
I ALSO WANTED JUST TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT APPLICANTS WERE, UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW MARGARET WAS TALKING ABOUT THE TREES WITH THE NUTS AND, AND FRUITS AND THINGS.
AND I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THE FIG TREE, WHICH I HAVE A FIG TREE, WHICH I LOVE.
BUT JUST SO YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND, I THINK WHAT SHE MEANT BY THAT IS MORE LIKE BERRIES AND THINGS FOR, FOR BIRDS, YOU KNOW, AND OTHER POLLINATORS NOT NECESSARILY FOOD FOR US, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FRUIT THAT GROWS AROUND HERE FOR US.
WELL, I KNOW THAT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME WHEN I STARTED LEARNING ABOUT NATIVE PLANTS.
SO, UM, WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM.
WE JUST NEED TO LEARN WHICH OF THE NATIVE PLANTS AND WE REALLY HAVE NO PROBLEM.
IT'S NOT LIKE THE ZIP THOUGH, WE SPECIFICALLY NEEDED A THIS OR THAT.
WE CAN SHARE WITH YOU A A LIST FOR SURE.
AND AS SOMEONE WHO'S RELANDSCAPING THEIR WHOLE BACKYARD WITH NATIVE, I CAN TELL YOU IT'S REALLY COOL SEEING ALL THE DIFFERENT, I'M GETTING HUMMINGBIRDS AND GOLDEN FINCHES AND IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY NO, THAT'S SO NICE.
UH, JEREMY, YOU WANNA CONTINUE? YEAH, SURE.
UM, SO I'D LIKE TO JUST QUICKLY, I GUESS CIRCLE BACK TO THE, TO THE FEW QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED, UM, EARLIER.
I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, GEORGE, YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE TREE REMOVAL AND, AND THE MATURE TREES AND WHETHER OR NOT SOME OF THOSE COULD BE SAVED.
I'M WONDERING IF THAT, IF THAT QUESTION IN YOUR MIND HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN NOW, UH, ANSWERED OR IF, OR IF WE NEED TO EXPAND ON THAT AT ALL.
WHEREVER HE, IF HE'S STILL BACK, IF HE'S AROUND THEN I CAN'T, FOR SOME REASON, I CAN ONLY SEE A FEW PEOPLE HERE.
OH, GEORGE, YOU'RE MUTED, GEORGE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH, NOW WE CAN HEAR.
SO, NO, I THINK THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, THE TREE REMOVAL HAVE BEEN PRETTY MUCH ANSWERED WITH ALL THIS DISCUSSION IS I HAVE NO FURTHER CONCERNS ON IT.
AND THEN I'LL, I GUESS, UH, THERE WAS SHARON WHO HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UH, THE WATERCOURSE, UH, THE WATER FLOW PATH AND, AND GRADING AND, AND THE CONCERNS OVER, UH, YOU KNOW, TAKING THIS OPEN SOIL AND THEN PIPING IT.
UM, I'M GONNA TRY TO WALK YOU THROUGH AS BEST AS I POSSIBLY CAN, UM, E EXACTLY WHAT THIS, WHAT THIS SITE FUNCTIONS AS NOW AND, AND SORT OF WHAT WE LOOK TO DO, UM, IN THE FUTURE.
SO AS YOU, AS YOU WELL KNOW, AARON, PRETTY WELL EXPLAINED.
THERE IS, THERE IS SORT OF A, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD STILL SEE MY PLAN HERE.
UM, THERE'S A DRAINAGE PATH THAT RUNS, UH, FROM, FROM THIS CORNER OF THE PROPERTY THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEN AT SOME POINT BACK HERE, IT GOES INTO AN EXISTING HEAD WALL, UH, WHICH IS BASICALLY JUST A, A CONCRETE WALL WITH AN INLET PIPE IN IT IS THEN PIPED UNDERNEATH OR AROUND THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS EXISTING DWELLING THAT'S HERE.
UM, AND OUTLETS, I BELIEVE SOMEWHERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, UH, SPRAIN ROAD HERE NEAR THE SPRINGBROOK PARKWAY.
UM, I, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE HOUSE THAT IS EXISTING HERE AT SOME POINT MAYBE HAD THE SAME CONSISTENT AND, AND A PIPE THAT STREAM, ALTHOUGH WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND ANY DATA, UM, THAT SUPPORTS THAT.
UM, THIS S SWALE OR, OR STREAM
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OR WATERCOURSE THAT'S, THAT'S IN THE PROPERTY WAS, WAS PREVIOUSLY PIPED AT SOME POINT.UM, I WILL SHARE THOSE, THOSE MAPS WITH YOU IN A MOMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GO OUT TO THE PROPERTY OVER THE, I MEAN, I'VE PROBABLY BEEN THERE 30 TIMES OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS.
UM, I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY, ANY FLOWING WATER THAT HAS BEEN IN THERE, UH, ASIDE FROM, I BELIEVE WE WENT OUT, NOT DURING IDA, BUT THE STORM THAT WAS BEFORE THAT, JUST TO SEE IF ANY WATER WAS, WAS ACTUALLY REACHING THAT OVERFLOW PIPE.
AND THERE WAS A TRICKLE THAT WAS KIND OF COMING THROUGH AT THAT POINT.
UM, BUT IT, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY, I WOULD DESCRIBE AS VERY, VERY MINIMAL.
SO THE, THE, THE WATERCOURSE THAT'S SORT OF DESCRIBED HERE, OR THE, UM, YOU KNOW, EXISTING SWALE, IT'S, IT'S NOT A CHANNEL THAT HAS A REGULAR FLOW OF WATER.
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU, YOU WOULD GO OUT THERE TOMORROW AND SEE, YOU KNOW, A A BROOK THAT'S RUNNING THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
IT'S, IT'S MORE SOMETHING THAT, UM, OPERATES FROM TIME TO TIME.
MAYBE WHEN THERE'S, WHEN THERE'S MAJOR EVENTS THAT CAN'T BE HANDLED BY WHATEVER'S ACROSS THE STREET STREET, UM, OUR PLAN TO PIPE IT AND REROUTE IT INTO A 24 INCH PIPE IS, IS REALLY ONLY SIZED ON THE FACT THAT THE RECEIVING PIPE IS A 24 INCH PIPE.
UM, SO IT, IT, THAT'S KIND OF THE MAXIMUM THAT YOU COULD GO AT THAT POINT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S NO WAY TO PUT A LARGER PIPE IN THERE AND EFFECTIVELY GET ANY MORE STORM WATER FLOW INTO THE OUTLET PIPE BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING DIAMETER.
THE PIPE THAT COMES INTO THE PROPERTY ACTUALLY DOESN'T EVEN COME IN AND COMES INTO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY HERE, UM, IS AN OLD 15 INCH PIPE, WHICH IS NOT IN THE GREATEST CONDITION.
UM, THAT WILL STILL REMAIN OPEN.
AND, AND THIS AREA, OBVIOUSLY ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY IS GONNA REMAIN STILL AS AN OPEN CHANNEL.
UM, WE'RE PROPOSING TO PUT A DRAIN INLAND TO CAPTURE EVERYTHING THAT'S COMING IN AND THEN PIPE IT THIS WAY THROUGH THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
IT'LL MAKE ANOTHER TURN, SORT OF ALMOST LIKE A 90 DEGREE TURN THAT WILL BE DONE INSIDE OF ANOTHER STRUCTURE, ANOTHER DRAINAGE INLET THAT WILL ACT, UH, YOU KNOW, AS, AS SURFACE DRAINAGE.
AND ALSO TO, TO CONVEY THAT STORM WATER THAT'S COMING THROUGH THE PIPING.
UM, AND THEN ULTIMATELY GO INTO A FINAL STRUCTURE WHICH WILL CONNECT TO THAT EXISTING PIPING IN THE REAR.
UM, ARE THESE THE COLD TEXTS RIGHT HERE? THE, THE, THESE UNITS ARE THE CALTECH YEAH.
AND THEY'RE ALL IN THE SAME PLACE THAT THEY DON'T GET SPREAD AROUND? YEAH.
THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE WAY THAT THEY'RE TYPICALLY DONE.
IT, IT OFFERS NO, CALTECH REALLY WORK ON, UH, THEY WORK ON VOLUME, BUT THEY ALSO WORK ON, UH, THE LARGER BOTTOM SURFACE AREA THAT YOU HAVE E EXPANDED OVER A SPACE IS, IS REALLY WHERE YOU GET MOST OF THE ABSORPTION.
UH, SO THOSE, THOSE ARE DESIGNED HERE TO CAPTURE THE DRAINAGE RUNOFF FROM THE, UH, FROM THE INCREASE IMPERVIOUS FROM THE DWELLING IN THE POOL.
UM, AND THEN THEY TREAT THAT STORMWATER AND ALSO HAVE AN OVERFLOW THAT WOULD GO INTO THAT EXISTING PIPING.
IF THERE WAS A MAJOR STORM EVENT WHERE LET'S SAY THE STORMWATER SYSTEM COULD NOT, YOU KNOW, COULD NOT HANDLE WHATEVER THE INFLOW WAS, WHICH IS PRETTY TYPICAL FOR ANY, UH, ANY, YOU KNOW, REDEVELOPMENT OR NEW DEVELOPMENT LOT.
SO IF THERE'S AN OVERFLOW FROM THE AX, IT GOES INTO THIS NEW PIPING YOU'RE PUTTING, IT WOULD GO INTO THE NEW PIPING? YES.
AND, AND JUST IN THIS PARTICULAR LOT, SO IF IT WAS A, LET'S SAY A DIFFERENT FORM OF LOT WHERE WE HAD MORE SPACE AND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO GO, TYPICALLY THE OVERFLOW WOULD JUST GO INTO OVERLAND.
IT WOULD JUST OVERFLOW, UM, ONTO THE SURFACE.
UH, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CONDITION, BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING GRADING ON THE LOT AND THE DESIRE TO SORT OF, UH, BRING THE HOUSE ELEVATION UP SLIGHTLY AND, AND KEEP THEM OUT OF A CONDITION WHERE IF THERE IS, UH, ANY FLOODING ON THE STREET OR IN THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, THEY'RE, THEY'RE STILL GONNA BE SAFE.
UM, THE BEST WAY TO OFFER THE OVERFLOW ONTO THERE WOULD BE, WOULD BE INTO THAT EXISTING P YES.
I, I, MOST OF MY EYES AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH TO READ THE SMALL NUMBERS.
WHERE, HOW DOES, HOW DOES THE, HOW DOES IT, UH, THE TOPOGRAPHY GO ON THIS, UH, ON THIS LAND? SO THE, THE EXISTING TOPOGRAPHY IS, UH, IT, IT SLOPES DOWN FROM THIS PROPERTY AND, AND DOWN FROM THIS PROPERTY BASICALLY INTO THIS EXISTING SWALE HERE.
UM, SO, SO THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS KIND OF SITTING AT A LOW POINT RIGHT NOW, UM, BASED ON THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S KIND OF LEVELED WITH THE ROAD, BUT IT IS, IT IS DEFINITELY LOWER THAN, UM, THE PROPERTY ON ROSHAMBO AND IT'S DEFINITELY LOWER TO THE NEIGHBORS HERE ON, UH, ON CROSS HILL ROAD.
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BUT ANYWAY, THERE'S NO WETLAND IF IT'S DOWN, IF, IF WATER'S RUNNING TO IT FROM ALL SIDES, THERE'S NO WETLAND THERE.NO, AND I, I SUSPECT BECAUSE IT WAS CHANNELIZED FLOW, SO, UM, THAT ALSO IS AGAIN, PRIMARILY DIVERTED SOUTH THROUGH A PIPE.
SO, UM, I THINK WHEN IT DID FLOW AS A WATERCOURSE, THE WATER MOVED THROUGH QUICKLY, UM, AND, AND THROUGH THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, OR OUT TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
THEN MORE RECENTLY, AND, AND I FORGET EXACTLY WHEN, YOU KNOW, THE BULK OF THE WATER WAS REROUTED, BUT NOW IT, IT, IT, IT, IT'S JUST REALLY AN OPEN CHANNEL THAT DURING RAIN EVENTS, MOVES WATER THROUGH TO THAT, UH, HEAD WALL ON, ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CONVEYING THE WATER RATHER THAN SITTING THERE AS LIKE A BOWL IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THE ELEVATION OF THAT 15 INCH PIPE YOU'VE REFERENCED BEFORE? UH, WELL, IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA RUN IN A FEW ELEVATIONS.
SO THE, THE RECEIVING DRAINAGE PIPE, UH, IS AT ELEVATION.
THE INVERT IS AT ELEVATION THREE, 16.4.
SO, AND THEN IT WILL, IT WILL COME UP AT A 1% PITCH, BASICALLY UP UNTIL THIS POINT, UM, WHERE THE RECEIVING ELEVATION WOULD BE THREE 18.35.
WELL, HOW IS IT CURRENTLY WORKING, UH, IN TERMS OF THE UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY? IF YOU'VE, IF YOU'VE GOT, UH, YOU KNOW, WATER GOING INTO THIS AND MAYBE YOU'VE GOT A WETLAND SITUATION, HOW, HOW IS THAT, THAT 3 1 6 ELEVATION, UM, FACILITATING THE, THE EXIT OVER THAT WATER? WELL, RIGHT NOW IT'S, YEAH, RIGHT NOW IT IS, IT, IT IS BASICALLY THE, THE LOWEST POINT ON THE PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU GO OUT THERE, YOU'LL SEE, UM, YOU'LL SEE A SWALE, SORT OF LIKE A, A LAND SWALE THAT RUNS THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO THAT DRAINAGE INLET AREA, THERE'S, THERE'S A PRETTY STEEP DROP RIGHT HERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD SEE IT ON THE TOPOGRAPHY OR NOT.
UM, IT GOES FROM THREE 19 TO THREE 18 TO THREE 16 PRETTY QUICKLY.
UM, AND THEN IT SORT OF DROPS INTO THAT EXISTING PIPE, THAT EXISTING HEAD WALL THERE.
SO, SO THE PIPING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING IN, UM, IS, IS ESSENTIALLY GONNA BE SLIGHTLY LOWER THAN THE LOW POINT OF THE SWALE IS NOW, IF THAT MAKES, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.
UM, AND THEN JUST TO, JUST TO EXPAND ON, ON WHAT AARON WAS SAYING EARLIER AND SORT OF, UH, TOUCH ON THE WETLAND QUESTION.
UH, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE, THE SEPTIC SYSTEM TO GET APPROVED FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WE NEED TO DIG DOWN SEVEN FEET WITHOUT HAVING, UH, ANY, ANY GROUNDWATER ENCROACHMENT OR ANY LEDGE ROCK ENCROACHMENT OR, OR ANYTHING OF THAT FASHION.
AND WE, WE HAD THAT CONDITION AT THIS SITE.
SO THERE, THERE WAS NO GROUNDWATER OR, OR ROCK OR ANYTHING, UM, AT THAT DEPTH ELEVATION.
AND, AND THAT IS PROBABLY, NO, IT IS EXACTLY, UH, FOUR FEET, I'D SAY ABOVE THE LOW POINT OF THE SWALE.
SO I, I, I WOULD AGREE THAT THIS, THIS SWALE OR, OR WATERCOURSE THAT RUNS THROUGH HERE, UM, IS IT, IT IT OPERATES AS A CONVEYANCE, SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A, IT, IT'S A GROUNDWATER, UH, STREAM TYPE SITUATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT REALLY IS JUST A CHANNEL THAT THAT CONVEYS, UM, THERE, THERE ISN'T ANY HYDROLOGY THAT EXISTS IN THE SOILS THAT WE'VE TESTED ANYWHERE, EVEN RELATIVELY CLOSE TO THAT AREA.
AND WE, WE DID SOME EXTENSIVE TESTING IN HERE INITIALLY DURING, UM, WHEN WE WERE DOING THE SEPTIC STUDY.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I PROBABLY HAVE SOME TESTING THAT WAS WITHIN 15 OR 20 FEET OF THAT SW AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY GROUNDWATER CONDITIONS THERE EITHER.
AND YOU HAD NO HYDRO SOILS, UH, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I MEAN, I'M NOT A, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A SOIL SCIENTIST, SO I CAN'T, I CAN'T NECESSARILY SAY THAT THERE WASN'T ANYTHING THAT WAS HYDRO IN THERE, BUT WE HAD WELL-TRAINED SOILS, YOU KNOW, JUST 15 FEET, 20 FEET AWAY IN THE SEPTIC AREA HERE.
UM, AND, AND WE HAD, WE HAD GOOD TESTING THERE TOO.
SO I, I WOULD SAY, BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE HAD DECENT PERCOLATION TESTING IN THIS AREA AS WELL, UH, WHERE THE CALEX ARE GONNA GO, THAT, THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT HIGH SOILS, BUT I CAN'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, SPEAK EXACTLY TO THAT POINT.
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DRAINAGE.THIS IS ACTUALLY THE DRAINAGE MAP THAT WAS, IT WAS PROVIDED TO US BY, I BELIEVE, ENGINEERING FROM, UH, FROM GREENBERG AT SOME POINT THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DIG UP IN, IN, BACK IN JUNE OF 1990.
THESE WERE THE PROPOSED DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS THAT, THAT WERE GONNA BE PUT INTO THAT AREA.
I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY GO TO OUR PLAN AND SHOW YOU WHERE THIS, THIS WOODEN BRIDGE IS HERE.
UM, THAT'S BY THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, SORT OF, UH, MAYBE 20 FEET AWAY FROM WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING OUR, OUR FIRST INLET AND JUST RIGHT OFF, RIGHT OFF ADJACENT TO CROSS HILL ROAD HERE, UM, THAT, THAT BRIDGE YOU COULD SEE HERE IS STILL ON, THIS IS ON THIS MAP BACK IN THE 90.
SO IT'S BEEN THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
UM, THIS STREAM THAT COMES FROM ACROSS THE STREET INITIALLY WENT HERE INTO THIS HEAD WALL, WHICH IS A 15 INCH PIPE, UH, MADE A 90 DEGREE TURN AND CAME OUT AND THEN WOULD RUN THROUGH THIS CHANNEL THAT IS NOW, YOU KNOW, THE WATERCOURSE THAT, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, ON THE UNDEVELOPED LOT AND CROSS HILL ROAD, AT SOME POINT THERE WAS A DIVERSION THAT WAS PUT IN HERE, UH, WHERE THEY TOOK TWO 15 INCH PIPES AND THEY CAPTURED THE STREAM RUNOFF AND IT NOW RUNS BACK IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, UM, INTO WHAT LOOKS LIKE SOME PART OF THE TOWN DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
AND THEN IT, YOU KNOW, GOES, GOES SOMEWHERE, UM, UNKNOWN.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT, WE DON'T HAVE THAT NEXT MAP.
WE DID GO OUT AND DO AN INSPECTION THERE.
AND I JUST WANNA SHOW HERE SORT OF WHAT WE FOUND.
SO THIS IS THIS, THESE ARE THE NEW PIPES THAT WERE INSTALLED BY THE TOWN, THE 15 INCH.
UM, THIS IS ALSO, UH, THE SAME MATERIAL, THE H D P E, IF YOU WANNA, UM, I BELIEVE LIZ HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT EARLIER.
THE, THE KIND OF PIPING MATERIAL THAT, THAT WE WOULD BE USING WOULD BE, THIS WOULD BE THE SAME ELEMENT.
UM, THESE ARE THE PIPES AND THE HEAD WALL HERE THAT ACT AS THIS DIVERSION THAT GOES AROUND NOW.
AND THEN THIS PIPE HERE IS THE EXISTING, OR PREVIOUSLY EXISTING 15 INCH PIPE THAT USED TO BE CAPTURING ALL OF THE WATER THAT WOULD RUN THROUGH HERE THAT NOW ACTS HAVE BEEN OVERFLOW.
UM, THE, THE ELEVATION DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE PIPES IS APPROXIMATELY 12 INCHES.
SO IN ORDER FOR WATER TO FLOW INTO THIS PIPE AS SORT OF THAT, WHICH ACTS AS THE OVERFLOW NOW, UM, IT, IT HAS TO BE THAT THESE TWO PIPES ARE ALMOST COMPLETELY OVERWHELMED.
UM, THIS IS A PICTURE OF, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN, I GOTTA MAKE THIS A LITTLE SMALLER.
THIS IS A PICTURE OF THIS OLD CATCH BASIN HERE, WHICH IS A 15 INCH PIPE COMING IN AND A 15 INCH PIPE GOING OUT.
UM, IT DOES HAVE SOME STANDING WATER IN IT.
I, I BELIEVE IT'S, IT'S KIND OF BACK PITCHED IN THIS AREA, SO IT JUST, IT JUST KIND OF SITS IN THERE.
UM, AT THE TIME OF THIS INSPECTION, THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, NO WATER IN THIS PIPE AND, AND NO WATER FLOWING THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
AND THEN THIS RIGHT HERE IS A SORT OF A SCREENSHOT PICTURE FACED THIS WAY OF THIS EXISTING HEAD WALL, WHICH IS, UH, BASICALLY JUST A FEW ROCKS AND THEN WE HAVE OUR CRUSHED SORT OF 15 INCH PIPE THERE, WHICH IS THE OUTLET.
SO THIS, THIS ESSENTIALLY IS THE POINT AT WHICH WATER ENTERS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY HERE AND THEN FLOWS INTO OUR SUBJECT PROPERTY AT TIMES, WHICH, WHEN IT DOES THAT, WHICH, WHICH WE FOUND TO BE BASICALLY ONLY THAT ONE TIME IN THE, IN THE STORM EVENT.
THAT WAS LIKE A WEEK BEFORE IDA.
UM, AND I THINK THAT IS, YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT ALL WE HAVE HERE FOR, FOR DATA.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR IF YOU NEED ME TO WALK YOU THROUGH ANY OTHER PARTS OF THE PLANS.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE, JUST SO I DON'T YOU GOT THAT, THAT WAS A VERY GOOD PRESENTATION, JEREMY.
UM, I, I, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.
IF YOU, UM, DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF, UH, OF THE WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT APPLICATION FORM? YEAH, I DO.
IF YOU COULD GO TO THE, THE NEXT TO LAST PAGE.
UH, ITEM, ITEM I, HOLD ON HERE.
IT SAYS SWAY WILL BE PIPED TO MAINTAIN FUTURE WATER FLOW IF NEEDED.
NOW THAT'S NOT, THE, IF NEEDED IS NO LONGER RELEVANT BASED ON WHAT I UNDERSTAND YOU ARE, OH, YEAH.
SO THAT'S, YEAH, THAT, THAT'S DEFINITELY SEMANTICS THERE.
UM, WHAT I SHOULD HAVE SAID IN THAT POINT WOULD BE, UM, YEAH, I, I WAS MORE SPEAKING OF THE, THE FUTURE WATER FLOW.
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NOT, NOT THAT WE WOULD, IF, IF A PIPE IS NEEDED, WE, WE KNOW THAT A PIPE'S NEEDED, IT WAS MORE THAT THE PIPE WOULD BE THERE IF IT WAS NEEDED.I DEFINITELY SEE THAT MISTAKE AS SOON AS YOU POINTED THAT OUT.
I HAVE ANOTHER LINE THAT DOESN'T APPEAR ON YOUR COPY AND LEMME READ IT SLOWLY.
YEAH, THAT SHOULD BE, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT IS NOT ON THIS.
WAS THAT, UH, ALSO ON NUMBER I ON YOURS? YEAH.
IT WAS THIS, THE FIRST LINE OF I IS, THIS READS THE SAME AS WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING ON YOUR SCREEN, AND THEN THERE WAS THIS ONE, AND THEN THE SECOND LINE SAYS, TOWN PERFORMED PROJECT TO DIVERSE STREAM AND PREVENT WATER FROM ENTERING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
MAYBE, MAYBE, MAYBE I HAVE A DRAFT, MAYBE I DON'T HAVE THE FINAL, I DON'T KNOW.
NO, I I DO ACTUALLY REMEMBER TYPING THAT NOW THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED IT.
AND I, AND I'M WONDERING IF I HAVE, YOU KNOW, THERE HAS BEEN QUITE A SORT OF A FLURRY OF, OF INFORMATION ON THIS SITE THAT HAS BEEN, UM, THAT HAS BEEN DRAFTED QUICKLY AT TIMES.
SO I, I'M SURE THAT I HAVE THAT COPY IN HERE SOMEWHERE.
I JUST DON'T KNOW THE REAL POINT.
THE REASON I'M ASKING YOU IS I, IS THERE ANY OBLIGATION ON THE TOWN THAT IS PART OF THIS PROJECT? I GUESS I'M REALLY ASKING BOTH YOU AND AARON BE BEFORE WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK THE C C WANTS TO UNDERSTAND IS THIS, IS THIS PROJECT CONTINGENT UPON THE TOWN DOING ANYTHING? AND IF SO, WHAT? UM, TO, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, I, I DON'T THINK THERE IS, UM, IN, IN OUR CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, UM, YEP.
THEY, THEY HAVE INDICATED THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GO INTO PLANNING AND, AND ANYTIME FORWARD, IF THERE IS ANY BURDEN ON EVEN FIGURING OUT WHAT THE TOWN SYSTEM WHICH WAS DESIGNED IS ABLE TO, UH, IS ABLE TO HANDLE OR IS ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT, THAT BURDEN IS GONNA BE ENTIRELY ON THE OWNER FOR SOME REASON.
SO I, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS ANY, UM, AND, AND AARON CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I I DON'T THINK THERE IS.
SO, UH, THE, THE ONUS AND THE, AND THE BURDEN, IF YOU WILL, THE, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED CERTAIN THINGS ON ITS PROPERTY, AND THE ONLY OBLIGATION OF THE TOWN IS TO REVIEW WHAT'S PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT AND ENSURE THAT IT MEETS THE CODE.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE LABOR OR THE PHYSICAL WORK, THERE'S NO OBLIGATION ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN.
UH, THAT ALL FALLS ON, ON THE APPLICANT.
IF, UM, AND YOU HAD ASKED BEFORE ABOUT MAINTENANCE, BUT YOU KNOW, IF THE PIPE WERE TO COLLAPSE OR SOMETHING GET STUCK IN THERE THAT ALL, ALL THAT MAINTENANCE, FUTURE MAINTENANCE WOULD FALL ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO YEAH, I AM UNDER THE SAME IMPRESSION AND, AND I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR BUREAU OF ENGINEERING TO THAT EFFECT AS WELL.
I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE BEFORE WE MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WEREN'T RECOMMENDING THAT THE TOWN BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMETHING ON THE PROPERTY BECAUSE I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT EXACTLY WHAT THOSE WORDS MEANT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS WHAT IT SAID.
ANYBODY ELSE? UM, I'M JUST GOING TO GO ON, ON MY SCREEN.
MARGARET GOT ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
UM, SO I SEE ROCHA BEAU, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS, BUT IS IT IN PROXIMITY TO THE ODELL HOUSE AND IS THERE ANY LIMITATIONS TO WHAT WE CAN DO IN THAT AREA BECAUSE OF THAT? IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE SAME OVERALL NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE TOWN, BUT IT'S NOT ON THE SAME STREET AND IT'S NOT IN MM-HMM.
SO IT'S NOT, IT NOT IMPACTED BY LIKE LANDMARKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO.
UH, GEORGE, ANYTHING ELSE? NANCY? ALFRED? OKAY.
UM, LIZ, SO ONE QUICK QUESTION ABOUT TREE REMOVAL.
I'M SURE ERIN IS ALREADY ON TOP OF THIS, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS, DO WE LOOK AT, UM, MAKING SURE WE'RE REMOVING KNOWN INVASIVE TREES LIKE NORWAY MAPLES, OR ARE YOU, ARE
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YOU SAYING, ARE YOU ASKING THAT, UM, IF THERE'S INVASIVES ON THE, THE PROPERTY THAT THOSE ARE BEING REMOVED? MM-HMM.I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHAT'S BEING KEPT OR RETAINED OR, OR PRESERVED, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO FRAME, UM, YOU KNOW, WORD IT ARE NOT INVASIVE SPECIES, SO THE PLANT MATERIAL THAT THEY'RE KEEPING, IT IS NOT INVASIVE, I ASSUME, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT THEY, I'M GLAD YOU ASKED, SAY ABOUT ASSUMING
UH, LAUREN, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I SEE LAUREN'S PICTURE, BUT I DON'T, SHE'S MUTED.
SO LOOKED, UH, SHE, YEAH, SHE SAID NO, I BELIEVE, UH, JUST A SECOND AGO.
SO LET, LET ME, LET ME, UH, YES, UH, MARGARET, SORRY, YOUR HAND.
YOUR HAND STILL, MARGARET, DO YOU HAVE SOME NO, NO.
SORRY, IT'S A LITTLE IN AND ON THIS BOX, IT'S A YELLOW HAND.
SO WHAT I, I GATHER, I'M GONNA TRY TO STAY, WHAT I GATHER THE SENSE OF THIS IS THAT THE C A C WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION AND WITH, UH, WITH FOUR, UH, WITH FOUR RECOMMENDATIONS WITH FOUR, UM, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL THINGS.
ONE IS THE, UH, UM, UH, THE C, D AND C RECOMMENDATIONS AND ITS REPORT THAT THE BACK PART OF THE C D C REPORT, UM, MAY BE THEY BE, UH, UH, IN THE, UH, SEPTEMBER 15, UH, THE, THE C D C REPORT DATED SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2021, THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, IN THAT, UH, BE INCORPORATED THE 18 RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, UH, THE, THE STANDARD RECOMMENDATIONS THAT, UH, FOR, FOR, FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT, INCLUDING ONE THAT HAS A POOL.
AND THE SECOND ONE IS THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, UM, HAVING DEVELOP A MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR THE PIPE, UH, INCLUDING AN OBLIGATION TO MAINTAIN, UM, AARON, WHO WOULD THAT BE SATISFACTORY TO, SATISFACTORY TO THE BUREAU, BUREAU OF ENGINEERING OR C D N C, THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING SATISFACTORY, UM, TO THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, THAT BE TWO.
NUMBER THREE WOULD BE THAT, UM, UH, C S C RECOMMENDS ADDITIONAL THAT, THAT, UH, RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, THE APPLICANT'S DESIGN PROFESSIONAL AND THE, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER OF C D C, UH, WORK TOGETHER TO, UH, TRY TO ADD ADDITIONAL NUT FRUIT AND FRUIT BEARING TREES.
AND FINALLY, THAT, UH, C C RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT AND THE DESIGN PROFESSIONAL AND THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, UH, COORDINATE, UM, TO TRY TO ADD A PLANTING, A PLANTING AREA THAT WOULD SUPPORT, UM, TREES AND VEGETATIONS, UH, UM, ACCEPTABLE, UH, TO A, UH, SEPTIC EXPANSION AREA, UH, WITH PARTICULAR EMPHASIS, UH, IF FEASIBLE ON A POLLINATOR PATHWAY.
SO, UH, UH, THREE QUESTIONS OF THREE DIFFERENT GROUPS.
FIRST OF ALL, IS ANYBODY ELSE IN THE CAC UH, HAVE ANYTHING THEY WOULD, THAT I'VE OVERLOOKED FROM OUR DISCUSSION? UH, OKAY.
UH, SECONDLY, UH, TO, UH, UH, TO DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, UH, COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE ADDING BASED ON THIS DISCUSSION? NO, NOT AT THIS TIME.
I THINK, UH, YOU HAVE A VERY THOROUGH RECOMMENDATION IN THE WORKS.
APPRECIATE FINALLY, TO THE APPLICANT AND THE APPLICANT'S PROFESSIONAL.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT, IN THIS RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU A PROBLEM THAT WE, SO WE SHOULD RECONSIDER IF SOMETHING IN HIS WOULD BE PROBLEM PROBLEMATIC TO EITHER THE OWNER OR THE OWNER'S APPLICANT? I MEAN, THE OWNER'S PROFESSIONAL, SIR? UM, I, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ON MY END.
I WOULD, I WOULD ASK JOHN TO ANSWER THAT AS WELL IF HE, IF HE'S OKAY WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT TODAY.
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YOU FOR, UH, FOR YOUR COOPERATION AND YOUR, YOU KNOW, GOOD SPIRITS,AND SO, UH, LET'S, LET'S TAKE A VOTE.
UM, ALL IN FAVOR, UH, I, I MOVE THAT WE RECOMMENDED IT WITH THOSE, UH, UH, FOUR ADDITIONS, OR SOMEONE PLEASE SECOND IT.
UH, ANY, ANYONE OPPOSED? OKAY.
UH, I CAN'T SEE YOU VOTING, LAUREN, BUT I ASSUME YOU'RE NOT OPPOSED.
IF YOU ARE OPPOSED, SAY IT NOW.
UH, SO EVERYONE, UH, THIS PRESENT HAS, UH, UNANIMOUS UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED.
SO AGAIN, TO THE APPLICANT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR TIME AND GOOD, YOUR COOPERATION WITH US.
AND, UH, JEREMY, THANK YOU FOR VERY COGENT, UH, PRESENTATION.
YEAH, GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR, AND WE'LL BE IN TOUCH ON NEXT STEPS.
WE HAVE A FEW MORE C UH, C UH, CAC STUFF.
UH, YOU GUYS ARE WELCOME TO STAY THERE.
I'M SURE YOU DON'T WANT TO, SO YOU GET OFF
I'VE, UM, GOT MY DAUGHTER'S OPEN HOUSE THAT THEY'RE DOING ON ZOOM THAT, UH, I'M LATE FOR, BUT MY WIFE'S BEEN HANDLING, SO I'M GONNA TRY AND BOUNCE OVER TO THAT AND THEN I'LL CHECK BACK IN WITH YOU GUYS SHORTLY.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT, THAT, JUST SO YOU KNOW, EVEN IF, LET'S JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, MATT HAD SOMETHING GOING ON, UM, WE WOULD JUST TURN OVER THE, THE, WE WOULD MAKE YOU A CO-HOST AND, AND MATT, IN FACT, I'D ASK YOU TO MAKE, UM, MR. SIEGEL A CO-HOST AND THEN LIKE SOMEONE ELSE, I, I HAD NO IDEA WHAT
UM, IT, WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO BE THE CO-HOST JUST IN THE EVENT THAT WE NEED TO RUN THIS IN THE FUTURE, UM, IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE SOMEONE AS A, AS A CO-HOST THAT, UH, WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY BASICALLY TO, TO END THE MEETING FOR EVERYONE AT, AT ITS CONCLUSION.
MARGARET, LIZ, YOU KNOW HOW TO DO THIS.
MARGARET, YOU KNOW HOW TO, YES.
SO, UH, MATT WILL MAKE, YEAH, MARGARET NOW A CO-HOST AND SHE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO END THE MEETING FOR ALL.
AND THEN THAT WOULD EFFECTIVELY CLOSE OUT THE RECORDING AND SEND IT TO THE HOST, WHICH IS, UH, ME, AND THEN WE MAKE SURE THAT THAT GETS POSTED.
SO WE APPRECIATE IT AND, UH, I'LL BE, I'LL CHECK BACK IN, BUT IF I DON'T GET BACK BEFORE THE MEETING ENDS, I HOPE EVERYONE HAS A GREAT EVENING.
AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
ONGOING ITEMS. ELMWOOD, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING.
I THINK I SAW AN EMAIL ABOUT THAT, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT SAID.
I DON'T, SO I DUNNO WHAT THE STATUS OF THAT IS.
THE EXCESS FOOD FOR NEEDY LAW, UM, I GOTTA CONTACT TOM BERNAN AND SEE WHAT THE STATUS OF GETTING THAT EXTENDED IS.
UM, DEVELOP, UH, DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND PROCEDURES, TOWN QUOTE AND SQUA.
UM, SOME POINT IN TIME WE ADOPTED A HANDBOOK ON C Q A.
UM, I THINK WE ARE LEARNING SOME REFINEMENTS WITH REGARD TO THE ELMWOOD PROJECT.
AND, UH, AT SOME POINT IN TIME AFTER ELMWOOD IS COMPLETED, I'LL PROBABLY, UH, SEND AROUND A DRAFT FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK AT WITH SOME REFINEMENTS ON.
UM, IT, IT REALLY WON'T CHANGE ANYTHING BUT SOME REFINEMENTS WITH REGARD TO THE FINAL E I S I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK SHARON IS OUR REPRESENTATIVE TO, UH, SWAB.
I DON'T KNOW IF SHARON HAS ANYTHING SHE WANTS TO ADD.
I DON'T SEE SHARON, SO YEAH, I THINK WE MAY HAVE LOST HER.
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UM, WEBPAGE SETTING UP WHO WAS, WHO VOLUNTEERED TO DO THAT? UM HMM.WE, WHEN I SHARE THE BOARD OF ETHICS, WE HAD A WEBPAGE AND WE, UM, PUBLISHED ALL OF OUR OPINIONS, UM, UH, ON, ON ON THE WEBPAGE, UH, AND SINCE, AND WE JUST HAD A LINK TO THE ETHICS CODE AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT.
WE HAD A LINK, UH, UH, A LINK TO THE TOWN'S ETHICS CODE AND I THINK A LINK TO THE STATE'S ETHICS CODE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, A LIST OF WHO THE MEMBERS OF THE, OF THE ETHICS BOARD WERE.
AND, UM, AND WE POST OUR OPINIONS.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD IDEA IF WE HAD A, UM, UM, OUR OWN WEB, UH, THE C A C HAD A WEBPAGE ON THE TOWN'S, UM, UH, UH, ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE AND, UH, OR LIST THE MEMBERS AND LIST WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE C A C IS.
AND WE COULD, UH, PUT ALL OUR REPORTS.
WE HAVE SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT REPORTS AND, UM, UH, SOME OF 'EM, UH, SOME OF 'EM RELATE TO PARTICULAR PROJECT LIKE ELMWOOD, BUT SOMETHING LIKE THE, UH, THE HANDBOOK FOR C Q A, THE, THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, QUALITY REVIEW, UH, REGULATIONS THAT DOESN'T RELATE TO ANY PARTICULAR, UM, UM, UM, UH, PROJECT.
SO, UM, DOES ANYONE THAT'S GOT EXPERTISE IN THAT AREA, WHICH CERTAINLY RULES ME OUT
THAT'S WHO, UH, SET UP OUR, UH, UM, UH, WEBPAGE, UM, UH, ON, ON THE ETHICS BOARD AND, UH, FOR THE ETHICS BOARD.
AND, UH, UH, JOE VERY, VERY HELPFUL AND VERY, VERY GOOD PERSON TO WORK WITH.
WOULD ANYONE, UM, VOLUNTEER TO DO THIS OR I, I, I THINK I SEE LIZ VOLUNTEERING.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING? YES, RIGHT.
I FEEL LIKE WE NEED A STUDENT VOLUNTEER FOR THAT.
ARE YOU STILL HAVE OUR STUDENTS KIDS STILL HOME? MARGARET? HUH? ARE YOUR KIDS STILL HOME? YEAH, THEY'RE WORKING THOUGH.
UH, ARE YOU A AWARE PERSON, NANCY? NO.
ARE YOU A AWARE PERSON? NO, I WAS JUST SAYING I'M, I'M A BIT OF A DINOSAUR.
I WOULD BE THE WRONG PERSON FOR THIS.
WE DON'T, UH, THE, WE DO HAVE A STUDENT MEMBER.
UM, UH, DEFINITELY SHE'S IN THE, I THINK SHE'S IN THE 11TH GRADE NOW.
AND MY GUESS IS, UH, COLLEGE APPLICATIONS HAVE PROBABLY GOTTA BE THE, THE WHAT, WHAT DO YOU WANT, LIZ? UN UNMUTE YOURSELF.
SHE'S IN 11TH GRADE COLLEGE APPLICATIONS.
MAYBE WE NEED A NEW INTERN 10TH GRADER LOOKING TO HAVE SOMETHING TO PUT ON THEIR COLLEGE APPLICATION.
SO I GUESS NO ONE, I GUESS NO ONE I CAN ASK AT, UM, EDGEMONT HIGH SCHOOL HAS THE, A SCHOOL WHERE THEY DO TAKE ON PROJECTS AND THEY DO SOMETHING.
I DON'T, LIZ, JUST SAY THAT AGAIN 'CAUSE YOU WERE KIND OF, IT WAS KIND OF HALTING, UH, INTERRUPTING WHAT YOU, I CAN ASK IF THEY HAVE ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED.
WELL, WHAT IT, UH, WELL, LOOK, IT, IT DOESN'T HURT TO ASK, AND I THINK THIS WOULD BE VERY GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY
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BECAUSE I SAID MANY OF OUR REPORTS END UP ON THESE, UH, C, D AND C WEB PAGE UNDER APPLICATIONS, BUT WE HAVE REPORTS THAT ARE NOT RELATED TO A PARTICULAR APPLICATION.AND IT ALSO JUST BE GOOD TO HAVE A WEBPAGE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR PURPOSE IS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, PUT, WELL, THE TREE LAW IS ON THE CD N C WEBPAGE, BUT WE CAN PUT IT ON, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE LOOKING AND, AND LAUREN ALSO PUT IN THE CHAT SOMETHING ABOUT THE WISE PROGRAM.
IS THAT STILL GOING ON AT W H SS? ANYBODY? I DON'T KNOW.
YOU KNOW, MARGARET? NO, I DON'T.
SO LAUREN'S GONNA LOOK INTO THAT.
UM, MIKE, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING QUICKLY YOU CAN WRITE UP IN AN EMAIL SO LAUREN AND I KNOW WHAT, WHAT IT IS YOU'D LIKE THE STUDENT, THE INTERN TO DO? ABSOLUTELY.
UH, AND, AND IF YOU GO, IF YOU GO TO THE TOWN WEBSITE, THE SIMPLEST THING TO DO, I CAN WRITE UP SOMETHING, BUT JUST SO YOU AND LAUREN CAN KIND OF VISUALLY SEE WHAT THE BOARD OF ETHICS DID.
IF YOU JUST GO TO THE TOWN WEBSITE AND CLICK ON DEPARTMENTS AND UNDER DEPARTMENTS COMES UP 15 OR 20 DEPARTMENTS AND YOU JUST, AND THEN CLICK ON, UH, BOARD OF ETHICS, YOU'LL SEE THE BOARD OF ETHICS WEBSITE.
AND THAT WOULD GIVE YOU JUST SOME BACKGROUND.
IT TAKE YOU THREE MINUTES TO DO THIS, JUST, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S ON IT.
BUT I CAN, I CAN CERTAINLY, UM, UM, YOU JUST WANTS SOMEONE TO INPUT WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED AS A COMMITTEE ON OUR PAGE, ON THE WEBSITE.
WELL ACTUALLY ASHLEY JOE WILL DO THAT.
IT IS SIMPLY SOMEONE WORKING WITH JOE ESEI TELLING HIM WHAT TO INPUT.
SO IT'S REALLY, SOMEONE NEEDS TO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THE C A C.
IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S IT, YOU KNOW, IT IS REALLY JOE WHO'S, HE'S THE TOWN WEBMASTER, IN ADDITION TO BEING DEPUTY COMMISSIONER OF PARKS AND RECREATION, IS THE TOWN WEBMASTER.
IT'S REALLY JUST SOMEONE WORKING WITH JOE AS TO WHAT WE NEED.
WELL, WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW FACES ON HERE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE ALL KNOW
I MEAN, THERE'S A LEARNING CURVE AND I'M ON THE BEGINNING END OF IT.
OKAY, WELL, IT'S STARTING TO SOUND LIKE IT'S NOT A JOB FOR AN INTERN.
NOW, I'M NOT SO SURE IT IS A JOB FOR AN INTERN BECAUSE THEY WOULD KNOW LESS THAN, YOU KNOW, IT'D SPEND MORE TIME, YOU'D SPEND MORE TIME EXPLAINING TO THE INTERN WHAT HE, WHAT HE SHOULD BE WORKING WITH JOE AND THE INTERN DOESN'T HAVE REALLY ANY CONTEXT TO GET IT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO GET IT RIGHT.
UM, METROPOLIS, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT'S STILL ON, THAT'S LONG OVER, I GUESS WE ASKED TERRY, WE SHOULD TAKE IT OFF INVASIVE PLANTS A LONG TIME AGO, THE C A C RECOMMENDED TO THE TOWN BOARD THAT WE HAVE A LOCAL REGULATION THAT PROHIBITS ANY BOARD OF THE TOWN FROM AUTHORIZING A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT WOULD INCLUDE INVASIVE PLANS AND
I MEAN, THAT WAS, THAT WAS AFTER THE NEW YORK STATE.
D E C ISSUED A REGULATION UNDER THE ENVIRONMENTAL LAW SAYING THAT, UH, YOU COULD NOT, UM, UM, PROPAGATE, YEAH, YOU COULDN'T SELL OR PROPAGATE, UH, INVASIVE PLANTS IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK.
AND SO WE SAID WE WANTED TO BE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, NO ONE WAS, WE DON'T DO IT IN OUR LANDSCAPING PLANS, BUT THERE ARE OTHER BOARDS THAT DO LANDSCAPING PLANS LIKE THE PLANNING BOARD, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WENT NO PLACE.
AND THEN FINALLY, ENVIRONMENTAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
I GUESS GEORGE, YOU AND NANCY BEEN WORKING ON THAT, OR, I WAS ACTUALLY ALSO GOING TO BE WORKING ON THAT, BUT OKAY.
ACTUALLY HOW I GOT INVOLVED WITH THE BOARD.
SO, UH, I THINK, I THINK WE, I, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY BEEN ON A HIATUS NOW BECAUSE ALL THE OTHER THINGS WE'VE BEEN DOING.
BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET A A, YOU KNOW, SOME, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A SLACK PERIOD, UH, MAYBE WE OUGHT TO,
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I WILL SAY MIKE, WHERE, WHERE WE LEFT OFF ON THAT WAS, UM, LIZ, YOU'RE CUTTING OUT THE WEATHER.UM, WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE, WHAT LAWS TURNING POINT AND ERIN BEING HEAVILY BUSY AND US NOT BEING OVER THE SUMMER, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT YET, BUT I CAN READ OUT THE AIR AGAIN.
UH, YOU, LIZ, YOU'RE FROZEN FACE
THIS WEATHER, YOU KNOW, AT THE SAME, AT THE SAME TIME THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE FREEZING.
I HEAR THUNDER AND LIGHTNING OUTSIDE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT EXPECTING.
SO I'LL JUST REPEAT VERY QUICKLY THAT I WILL FOLLOW, I CAN FOLLOW UP AGAIN WITH AARON ABOUT SHARING A LIST WITH US OF WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN PASSED IN THE, WHAT, WHAT THE TOWN ALREADY HAS AS IN LAW AS A LAW REGARDING, BUT THAT WAS SORT OF THE FIRST STEP WE WERE WAITING FOR.
UM, LET'S SEE, ANYBODY ELSE GOT ANYTHING ELSE THEY WANNA DISCUSS? AND THEN WE'LL, YEAH, NEXT MEETING.
WHEN'S THE NEXT MEETING? THE 14TH? UH, I THINK THE 14TH.
UH, THAT'S THE SECOND THURSDAY IN OCTOBER.
YEAH, WE, WE WOULD'VE THE, YEAH, 14TH.
SO IF ANYONE'S GOT CONFLICTS OR SOMETHING, UH, ON THE 14TH, YOU KNOW, JUST SEND AROUND AN EMAIL.
ALRIGHT, WELL THANKS EVERYONE FOR THEIR PARTICIPATION AND UM, MATT, ARE YOU STILL ON? I THINK WE CAN END THE MEETING.