* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] THANK YOU. OH, GOOD EVENING. RECORDING IN PROGRESS. [ FINAL TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, November 17, 2021 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ] GOOD EVENING TO THE WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 17TH, 2021. UH, PLANNING BOARD MEETING. I'LL ASK DEPUTY SCHMIDT TO, UH, CALL THE ROAD. SURE. CHAIRPERSON SIMON? YEAH. MR. SCHWARTZ? HERE. MR. GOLDEN? HERE. MR. DESAI? YEAH. MS. F TTAG? HERE. MR. SNAGS HERE? NO, FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. HAY AND MR. CAMPANO ARE NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO INDICATE THAT, UH, MR. CAPANO, UH, GRANDMOTHER, UH, PASSED LAST WEEK. SO HE MIGHT NOT, HE INDICATED THAT HE MIGHT BE AT THE MEETING, BUT, UH, UH, HE MIGHT NOT. AND I AM, I'M REALLY NOT EXPECTING HIM TO BE AT THE MEETING, BUT OUR CONDOLENCES GO OUT TO HIM AND HIS FAMILY. UH, AND, UH, MR. HAY HAD PREVIOUSLY INDICATED THAT HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO COME TO THIS MEETING. NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF, UH, WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER THE THIRD. AND, UH, ANY COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES OF NOVEMBER THE THIRD? IF NOT, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF, UH, WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER THE THIRD AS WRITTEN. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? NONE. SO, MINUTES APPROVAL. WE HAVE, UH, TWO PIECES OF CORRESPONDENCE. THE FIRST ONE IS REQUEST FOR EXTENSION, UH, UH, FOR, UH, J M C PROJECT, BUT THIS IS THE PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT OF ONE ROAD. THE APPLICANT INDICATED THE REASON FOR WHY, UH, THEY NEED A, UH, EXTENSION BECAUSE IT'S IN THE PROCESS OF BEING SOLD. AND IF THAT DOESN'T TAKE PLACE, UH, THE TOWN HAS THE OPTION TO PURCHASE THE LAND. SO IT'S, SO I SEE, UH, UNDERNEATH SOME, UH, CIRCUMSTANCES, I SEE THAT, UH, I'M MAKING A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE EXTENSION, UH, THE REQUESTED EXTENSION, UM, FOR, UH, PROJECT, WHAT, 61 0 3, BUT I GUESS THAT'S GM C'S PROJECT, BUT THIS IS THE PROPOSED MULTIFAMILY DEVELOP ON, ON, UH, MONT ROAD. WHAT WOULD BE OUR, FOR THE RECORD, WHAT WOULD BE OUR CORRESPONDING, UH, CASE NUMBER? SO, YES, IT'S CASE NUMBER PB AS IN PLANNING BOARD 12 DASH ZERO SEVEN, AND THE EXTENSION IS A REQUEST FOR TWO YEAR EXTENSION OF SITE PLAN, SPECIAL PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT, WHICH ARE CURRENTLY VALID THROUGH JANUARY 7TH, 2022. SO THEY'VE COME IN EARLY AS WE ASK FOLKS TO, SO THAT, UH, WE HAVE TIME TO GET THEM ON AN AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION. SO IF APPROVED, IF THE TWO YEAR EXTENSION'S APPROVED, THOSE APPROVALS WOULD BE VALID THROUGH JANUARY 7TH, 2024. AND THE APPLICANT IS S N R DEVELOPMENT, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. AND WITH A JM C'S THE ENGINEER. YEAH, AND THAT'S RIGHT. UM, AND WHILE THE BALTER IS THE CONTRACT VENDOR. RIGHT. OKAY. SO WELL WALTER'S A MOTION, YOU HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE, RIGHT? NO, I KNOW I MADE THE MOTION, BUT I'LL MAKE A MOTION THOUGHT WE EXTEND THE, UH, UM, THE APPLICATION PB 1207 FOR AN ADDITIONAL TWO YEARS. SECOND. IT SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYE. OKAY. SO DAVID, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THE PROJECT? I MEAN, WE ARE EXTENDING IT, BUT, UH, IS THERE GOING TO START TO WORK ON IT? YEAH. UM, I, I ONLY WANT TO BRIEFLY, UH, TOUCH ON THIS. THERE WAS LITIGATION. THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WAS, UH, ONLY ENTERED INTO ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO. SO WHILE DE BALTER, WHICH IS A CONTRACT, EE IS, YOU KNOW, STARTING TO GET INVOLVED, UH, IN, UH, YOU KNOW, GETTING, UH, ITS FINANCING AND, UH, GRANTS TOGETHER. OKAY? OKAY. THE NEXT, UH, UH, THE NEXT, UH, ONE IS THE BRIGHTVIEW SENIOR LIVING PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION [00:05:01] APPROVAL EXTENSION. AND HERE IS, UH, UH, THE APPLICANT IS WAITING ON THE NEW YORK STATE, UH, NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND WESTCHESTER COUNTY. AND, UM, FOR THESE, UH, FINAL SUBDIVISIONS, UH, IT HAS BEEN OUR TRADITION THAT IF IT'S BEING HELD UP BY ANOTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCY AND THE APPLICANT IS, IS WORKING TO GET THIS THROUGH, AND THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO INDICATION THAT THE APPLICANT HAS NOT BEEN DOING THIS DUE DILIGENCE AND, AND GETTING THE FINAL APPROVAL, BUT, UH, UH, IT'S HELD, IT'S BEEN, IT'S IN THE HAND OF NEW YORK STATE, WESTCHESTER COUNTY. SO I MAKE, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE EXTENSION FOR THIS APPLICATION. I BELIEVE IN THIS CASE, WHAT? IT'S 90 DAYS? THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S A 90 DAY EXTENSION OF THE APPLICANT'S PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL. MR. SHERMAN, WOULD YOU PLEASE MUTE YOUR MIC? OH, YEAH. OKAY. FOR THE RECORD, AGAIN, COULD WE HAVE THE, THE NUMBER OF THE PLANNING BOARD NUMBER SO I COULD, UH, PB PB IS IN PLANNING BOARD 20 DASH 21. I SECOND THE MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE EXTEND THE PLI, UH, THE FINAL, THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL EXTENSION ON PB 20 DASH 21 FOR 90 DAYS SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. UH, ANY, UH, OBJECTION. OKAY, SO WE WILL EXTEND THAT. THE NEXT THING ON THE, UH, AGENDA IS AN APPROVAL, UH, CASE PB 2120. NOW, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO, THERE ARE SOME SPECIAL CONDITIONS IN HERE. UH, THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN HIGHLIGHTED IN YOUR COPY, BUT IF YOU GO TO 5.1 IN, UH, APPLE 5.1, RIGHT? THAT'S ON PAGE SEVEN. YEAH. BASICALLY, I, I CAN GIVE YOU THE UPDATE, UH, CHAIRPERSON SIMON AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. YEAH. SO AGAIN, THIS RELATES TO CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 20, THE CHACONE PROJECT AT 84 EUCLID AVENUE. AND, UM, THERE'S A DRAFT DECISION THAT'S BEEN PREPARED FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION ON A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, UM, TO CONSTRUCT A, A NEW TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING ONSITE RESIDENCE AND CONSTRUCT A NEW RESIDENCE WITH RELATED IMPROVEMENTS. UM, CONDITION 5.1, WHICH CHAIRPERSON SIMON BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION RELATES TO THE APP. ESSENTIALLY, THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSE TO THE COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, TO CAPTURE STORMWATER RUNOFF FROM THE EXISTING GARAGE, THAT'S GONNA REMAIN AND TIE IT INTO THE PROPOSED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT THEY HAD, UH, SHOWN FOR THE REAR YARD OF THE PROPERTY. THEY DID IN FACT, DO THAT THROUGH A REVISION TO THE PLAN. UH, HAVE THAT PLAN IF ANYONE WANTS TO SEE IT, BUT IT'S REFERENCED IN CONDITION 5.1 AND THE SYSTEM IS SIZED APPROPRIATELY TO HANDLE THAT ADDITIONAL RUNOFF. SO THE APPLICANT RESPONDED, PROVIDED A REVISED PLAN, AND WE'VE NOW REFERENCED THAT PLAN IN THIS CONDITION AND THROUGHOUT THE, THE DRAFT DECISION. SO, UH, IN ADDITION TO CONSIDERING THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, STAFF JUST WANTED TO ADVISE THE BOARD THAT THIS PROJECT QUALIFIES AS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER. SO YOU'LL WANT TO CONSIDER THAT BEFORE YOU VOTE ON THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT. OKAY? THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND, UH, I THINK, UH, MR. AND ALSO WE JUST, JUST WANTED TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO A TYPO, WHICH I BELIEVE, UH, UH, DAVID POINTED OUT. IF YOU GO TO TRAFFIC AND SAFETY 10, THE IT, YEAH, 10.1, BUT THAT SHOULD BE 10, AND THE NEXT ONE SHOULD BE 10.11, NOT 11.11. SO I JUST, UH, WE'LL MAKE THAT CORRECTION. OKAY. OKAY. NOW, DEPUTY SCHMIDT INDICATED IT REPLIES TWO VOTES FROM THE SLAM BOARD. ONE IS, UH, IS, UH, SEEK A VOTE THAT THIS IS, UH, APPLICATION [00:10:01] DESIGNATED AS A TYPE TWO. DO WE HAVE A, UH, I'LL MOVE THAT SECOND. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR AND CLASSIFYING THIS AS A TYPE TWO ACTION, AYE. AYE. AND THE OTHER, UH, THE OTHER VOTE WE HAVE TO TAKE IS APPROVAL OF THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT. SO MOVED. SO AS AMENDED? AS AMENDED, YES. AS AMENDED. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. UM, THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT AND THE REPRESENTATIVES. OKAY, THEN THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, UH, GRAYSTONE. UM, UH, THE CHAIRPERSON, SIMON, I CAN GIVE YOU AN UPDATE. THIS AMENDED SITE PLAN AND PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION. UH, UH, UH, DURING THE DISCUSSION, THERE WAS REFERENCE, UH, UH, BY, UH, A REPRESENTATIVE OF TERRYTOWN ABOUT THE, THE POSSIBLE FLOODING IN A, A SEPARATE AREA, UH, UH, OF THE, THE SITE THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBDIVISION. AND SO IN OUR DECISION, THERE IS NO REFERENCE TO THAT, UH, UH, UH, POSSIBLE, UH, UH, WATER PROBLEM DOWNSTREAM, BECAUSE THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBDIVISION. UH, WE JUST JOINED THE LINE THAT HAS NO EFFECT, AND THAT IS NOT WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THIS APPLICATION. SO AS WE, WE COULD RECOGNIZE THAT THERE MIGHT BE A PROBLEM DOWNSTREAM, BUT, AND THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE CONSIDER IF WE PUT A HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT, UH, ALL WE DOING TO JOIN THE LINE. SO NOWHERE IN THIS DECISION IS ANY REFERENCE TO THAT ISSUE BECAUSE IT SHOULD NOT AFFECT OUR DECISION. YES, YES. THANK YOU CHAIRPERSON SIMON FOR, UM, BRINGING THAT UP. SO AGAIN, CASE NUMBER PD 21 DASH ZERO SEVEN, GRAYSTONE PUD LOTS FOUR THROUGH SEVEN. UM, THIS IS A, A SUBDIVISION AS WELL AS AN AMENDED SITE PLAN. THE SITE SITUATED WITHIN A P U D, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. UH, A COUPLE THINGS, QUICK UPDATES. ONE, UM, IN THE DRAFT DECISION, WE ACTUALLY, AND, AND THE CHAIRPERSON AND I AS WELL AS, UH, MR. FREE DISCUSSED THIS IN OUR PREP MEETING, BUT WE DID HAVE, UH, A MINOR REFERENCE TO, UH, AS WELL AS VICE CHAIRPERSON, UH, SCHWARTZ. WE HAD REFERENCE IN THE FINDING SECTION TO THE PLANNING, UH, ESSENTIALLY THE PLANNING BOARD ENCOURAGING THE APPLICANT TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE VILLAGE, UM, THAT WAS DECIDED THAT IT WAS NOT RELEVANT TO THIS PROJECT. SO WHILE THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUSLY ENCOURAGED MR. TODD TO REACH OUT TO THE VILLAGE, UM, IT WAS NOT PERTINENT TO THIS APPLICATION. THERE WAS NO NEED FOR IT TO BE SIT, UH, STATED IN THE FINDINGS. I DID SPEAK WITH MR. TODD, THE APPLICANT, AND HE HAS REACHED OUT TO THE VILLAGE. UH, HE SENT ME A, A, A NUMBER OF EMAILS. UM, SO HE IS LOOKING TO WORK WITH THE VILLAGE TO HOPEFULLY FIND RESOLUTION ON THAT MATTER RELATED TO DRAINAGE, UH, DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT, AGAIN, AS CHAIRPERSON, SIMON INDICATED, DO NOT HAVE ANY RELEVANCE TO THIS CURRENT APPLICATION BEFORE THE COUNT OF GREENBERG PLANNING BOARD. SO WE DID STRIKE THAT FROM, FROM THE DRAFT DECISION, UM, IN THE , THAT'S ON PAGE, THAT WAS ON PAGE THREE IN, IN WHAT EVERYBODY GOT, BY THE WAY. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. VICE SCHWARZ. SO WITH THAT SAID, I DID WANT TO JUST PROVIDE YOU THAT UPDATE THAT MR. TODD HAS BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE VILLAGE AND, AND PROVIDED US WITH A COPY OF. AND WE DO SEE, HAVE WE DONE SEEKER ON THIS? WE HAVE. SO THERE JUST TWO VOTES THIS EVENING. ONE WHERE THE AMENDED SITE PLAN AND ONE FOR THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION. OKAY, I'LL MOVE THAT. UH, WELL, I JUST WANNA POINT OUT TWO OTHER THINGS THAT'S IN HERE, AND ONE IS 4.7, WHICH IS, UH, UH, THE, UM, IN THIS APPLICATION, THEY ARE REMOVING A FIRE HYDRANT, BUT THEY WILL JUST BE TAPPING IT. SO IF AT SOME LATER DATE THEY HAVE TO PUT A FIRE HYDRANT THERE, ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS UNCAP AND PUT THE FIRE HYDRANT. THEY'RE NOT REMOVING THE PIPE. SO THAT'S IN [00:15:01] THERE. AND, UH, AND THE OTHER ONE, UH, UH, 4.8 EQUIPMENT STORAGE AND PROP, THE TRADES PEOPLE AND CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES, VEHICLES DURING CONSTRUCTION, UH, MUST, UH, MUST BE, MUST BE PROVIDED FOR A, UH, ONSITE, UH, UM, UH, LOCATION, UH, NOT ON THE ROAD ITSELF. SO WHATEVER, UH, THING, ACTIONS THAT THEY WILL BE TAKING, UH, IN THE FUTURE, THEY, THEY MUST HAVE, UH, ON SITE, UM, AREA FOR THE CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS. THAT'S THE ONLY THING. WITH THAT SAID, I ENTERTAIN MOTION TO, UH, UH, APPROVE THE PB 2107 GRAYSTONE, UM, UH, SUBDIVISION FOR AMENDED SITE PLAN AND PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION. YOU, YOU'RE GONNA WANT TO DO THAT AS FIRST OF ALL TWO VOTES AND AS AMENDED, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE STRIKING OUT THAT LINE AND WE'LL WANT TO DO THE AMENDED SITE PLAN. YEAH, I'M APPROVE THAT WE, UH, APPROVE THE AMENDED SITE PLAN AS AMENDED . SECOND, UH, I HAVE A QUESTION, WALTER. YES. WHY ARE THEY TAKING OUT THE FIRE HYDRANT? BE BECAUSE THE WAY THEY ARE, UH, THEY'RE TAKING OUT THE CUL-DE-SAC AND THE FIRE HYDRANT AND THE WAY THE, UH, UH, UH, IT'S THE FIRE HYDRANT ACTUALLY BEING THE WAY, BUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT INDICATE THEY DO NOT NEED, UH, ACCESS TO THAT, UH, FIRE HYDRANT, UH, WITH NO, NO HOMES THERE. NOW, IF THEY COME BACK TO BUILD A HOME, THEN THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO, UH, PUT IT BACK. THAT'S WHY WE DON'T WANT THEM TO, UH, UH, UM, TAKE OUT THAT PIPE. JUST TAP IT AND THEY'LL JUST BE A LAW. OKAY, THANKS. THANKS, THANKS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO YOU HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND, UH, AS AMENDED ON THE AMENDED SITE PLAN. DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? YES. NO, NO. SECONDED. UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT'S ONLY ONE VOTE REQUEST. PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION. WE'RE GONNA NEED A VOTE ON THE PRELIMINARY AS AMENDMENT. WHAT THE WOMEN, WE JUST TOOK A VOTE ON THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AS AMEND, NOD, PLAN AS AMENDED. MR. CHAIR? YEAH, WE DID THE AMENDED SITE PLAN FIRST. UH, SO WE JUST HAVE TO DO THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AS AMENDED, AND THEN WE'LL BE ALL SET ON THIS ONE. OKAY? UH, SO NOW, SO NOW MOVE THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AS AMENDED, CORRECT? WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY, SO THANK YOU. THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION, UH, APPROVAL IS GRANTED. THANK YOU, MR. TODD. SO, MR. MR. TODD, WE'LL BE BACK TO US, THE FINAL SUBDIVISION AT A FUTURE POINT. SO, UH, ONCE HE GETS THE PLATT ENDORSED BY WESTCHESTER COUNTY, WE'LL COME BACK, PROVIDE THAT TO US, AND THEN WE'LL CONSIDER FINAL AT THAT TIME. THANK YOU. OKAY. THIS, UH, UH, THE NEXT ONE'S CASE, PB 21 DASH 11. NO, UM, I'M SORRY, UH, I THOUGHT IT WAS TB 21 DASH 1818. YES. I'M SORRY. OKAY. I, I, THAT'S WHY I'M GOING GETTING NEW GLASSES IN WEEKS. THAT, THAT'S OKAY. I, I, UM, ACTUALLY ONLY HAVE THE DRAFT AGENDA AT HOME, SO I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE THERE WASN'T A MODIFICATION. UM, AS JEFFERSON SIMON INDICATED, UH, CASE NUMBER P 21 DASH 18 IS THE BODY PROJECT LOCATED AT 14 KING STREET AND 1 75 WIN ROCK AVENUE P O ELMSFORD. IN THE R FIVE ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT, THE APPLICANT SEEKS PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION OF TWO EXISTING LOTS INTO NINE LOTS FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONSTRUCTING NINE NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH RELATED IMPROVEMENTS. THE 14 KING STREET LOT CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 41,183 SQUARE FEET AND CONTAINS A DILAPIDATED HOUSE AND GARAGE, BOTH PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED. 1 75 WIND DROP AVENUE CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 7,500 SQUARE FEET AND CONTAINS AN EXISTING RESIDENCE, ALSO PROPOSED TO BE DEMOLISHED. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES [00:20:01] REGULATED TREE REMOVALS AND IS PREPARED A LANDSCAPING PLAN. PRELIMINARY LANDSCAPING PLANNING IN CONNECTION PROJECT, THE PLANNING BOARD ON NOVEMBER 13TH CONDUCTED A NOTICE SITE VISIT TO THE PROJECT SITE WHERE APPROXIMATELY 15 MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OF WELL AS MULTIPLE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS ATTENDED. A LOT OF GOOD COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS WERE RAISED DURING THE SITE VISIT. AS A RESULT, THE APPLICANT HAS PREPARED AN ALTERNATE PLAN, WHICH IT WILL REVIEW WITH THE PLANNING BOARD THIS EVENING AS PART OF THE FOLLOW-UP WORK SESSION. WE'LL NOW TURN IT THINGS OVER TO DAVID YOUNG AND PUTS AN ENGINEERING ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I DON'T HAVE AN ECHO. YOU HAVE JUST TURN DOWN YOUR VOLUME A LITTLE BIT, DAVID. OKAY. IS THAT MUCH BETTER? YES. OKAY. UM, CAN I SHARE A SCREEN? YES. OH, PLEASE, PLEASE DO APPLE, PLEASE. YEAH, IF YOU CAN TURN IT DOWN JUST A HAIR MORE, I THINK IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BETTER. I APOLOGIZE. I'M GONNA CALL IN JUST TO MAKE EVERYTHING LOOK OKAY. IS THAT OKAY? YES, THAT'S OKAY. WE CAN SEE YOUR, YOUR SHARE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE. OKAY, GUYS? YES, PLEASE. I APOLOGIZE FOR EVERYTHING. I, I WAS PRACTICING AND, UH, I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA WORK, BUT, UM, LET ME SHARE. YES, IS GREAT. OKAY. SO I'M DAVID YOUNG, I AM HERE FOR HUDSON. I'M REPRESENTING, UH, JACK . UM, I'VE JUST, THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF, UH, THE INITIAL PLAN THAT WE PROVIDED. WE ARE LOSING YOU, DAVID. OKAY. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. YES, YES. OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. UM, UH, THIS IS OVERVIEW. THIS IS THE NINE LIGHT SUBDIVISIONS. THESE ARE THE TURNAROUNDS ON PAIN THAT WE DISCUSSED. UH, THESE ARE THE CURRENT TWO HOUSES ON WOP, AND THESE ARE THE THREE HOUSES ON NORTH LAWN. SO NOW I'M GONNA MOVE OVER TO THE ALTERNATIVE THAT WE'RE GONNA PROPOSE. SO FOR THE ALTERNATIVE, WHAT WE PROPOSED IS, UH, WE TOOK THE CONSIDERATIVE RATIO, UH, CONSIDERATION OF MOVING LOT EIGHT AND NINE ON WINTHROP, BUT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GET THE NUMBERS AND WORK CORRECTLY. BUT WHAT WE DID IS WE TALKED TO AARON AND THEN THE, UH, BUILDING INSPECTOR TO HAVE FRONTAGE ON CANE, BUT HAVE THE, UH, DRIVER EXIT ON, UH, WINTHROP AND NORTH LAWN. SO LOT SIX WILL EXIT THROUGH, UH, NORTH LAWN, AND, UH, LOT NINE WILL EXIT THROUGH WINTHROP AVENUE. WE PROPOSED A TURNAROUND FOR LOT FOR LOT THREE, UH, FIVE, UH, SEVEN, EIGHT, AND NINE. UM, THE REASON WHY WE DIDN'T PROPOSE IT FOR THE ONES ON NORTH LAWN, WHICH IS ONE, TWO, UH, FOUR AND SIX, IS BECAUSE OF THE RETAINING WALLS. UH, WE FELT IT WAS UNSAFE TO HAVE, UH, A FOUR FLOOR HIGH RETAINING ALL WHILE YOU'RE BACKING INTO IT, BUT IT IS A POSSIBILITY TO, UH, DO IT. SO IT'S NOT, UH, IT'S A DEFINITE NOT A NO, BUT WE CAN'T, IF YOU GUYS REQUEST IT, WE CAN PUT A TURNAROUND ON THOSE ONE. UM, AS REQUESTED BY THE BOARD, UM, I'VE, UH, CREATED A COST SECTION OF, I CREATED A CROSS SECTION OF, UH, THE LOT THROUGH, UH, LOT TWO AND LOT THREE, UH, THROUGH, UH, NORTH LAWN AND WIND CROSS AVENUE TO THE NEXT PAGE, UH, TOWARDS THE CENTER IS THE PROPERTY LINE THAT DIVIDES THE TWO LOTS. THIS IS LOT TWO, THIS IS LOT THREE. UM, THIS IS, UH, PROPERTY LINE TOWARDS, UH, NORTH LAWN, AND THIS IS THE PROPERTY LOT, [00:25:01] UH, LINE TOWARDS, UH, WIND OFF. UM, THE DOTTED LINE IS THE EXISTING ELEVATION, THE SOLID LINE WITH C UH, IS THE PROPOSED GRADE THAT WE'RE, UH, PROPOSING. UH, UH, DAVID, COULD YOU, COULD YOU ZOOM IN ON THAT A BIT FOR US? UH, IT'S A LITTLE SMALL. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT IT. SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THE GRADE'S GONNA BE DROPPED DOWN AS WE SORT OF DISCUSSED ON THE SITE VISIT TOWARDS NORTH LAWN, BECAUSE THERE'S THAT SLOPE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO THEY'RE GONNA DROP THAT DOWN. AND DAVID, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ESSENTIALLY THE BACK WALL OF THE HOUSE IS GONNA FUNCTION AS A RETAINING WALL, AND THE GRADE BEHIND THE HOUSE WILL BE AT A HIGHER ELEVATION THAN IN FRONT OF THAT. YES, THAT IS CORRECT. MM-HMM. THANK YOU. WHEREAS THE, WHEREAS THE HOUSES ON, UH, THAW WILL NOT HAVE THAT CASE AND THEY'LL JUST ENTER THROUGH THE BLOCK ON THE ELEVATION. SO, RIGHT. I'M GONNA MOVE, I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO NEXT PAGE, WHICH SHOWS YOU A COMPARISON OF THE TWO LOCKS THAT CAN GET TO IT. SORRY FOR DIGITALLY. OH, THERE, IT'S, SO THESE, THIS IS A COMPARISON FOR THE TWO LOTS. UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE MAJOR CHANGES WOULD BE ON, UH, THE DRIVE FOR LOT SIX. WE MOVED IT TOWARDS, UH, NORTH LAWN AND LOT NINE, WHICH WE MOVED ON WINROCK FOR LOT SIX. UM, UH, YOU GUYS, UH, PLEASE TAKE NOTE THAT THERE IS ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN TREES THAT WE DO HAVE TO TAKE DOWN. UH, IF WE DO THIS, UH, TRANSITION. AND ALSO THE RETRAINING WALL FOR THIS LOG WOULD BE MUCH HIGHER THAN THE REST OF THE THREE. UM, JUST HOW THE GRADES WORK, IT WOULD BE AROUND SIX TO EIGHT FEET. SO I JUST WANTED YOU GUYS TO, UH, HAVE THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR HEAD. AND THAT'S ABOUT IT FOR THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN. UH, I'LL OPEN UP THAT, UH, QUESTIONS TO, UH, BOARD MEMBERS, UH, TO SPEAK ON THIS. YES. BEFORE CHAIRPERSON SIMON, IF I MAY JUST ADD A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS, IF, IF THAT'S OKAY BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP TO THE, TO THE BOARD MEMBERS. SO, UM, THANK YOU DAVID, FOR, FOR OUTLINING THAT. UH, I JUST DID WANT TO INDICATE THAT, UM, AS WE NOTICED AS, AS THOSE MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF PUBLIC THAT WERE OUT ON THE SITE VISIT, UM, WITH THE SHIFTING OF THE DRIVEWAY, AT LEAST TOWARDS NORTH LAWN, THERE'S THE CHANCE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SOME ADDITIONAL TREE REMOVAL INVOLVED, PARTICULARLY IN THE TOWN'S RIGHT OF WAY ALONG NORTH LAWN AVENUE. UH, HOWEVER, THE TREES WERE OBSERVED TO BE PRIMARILY INVASIVE SPECIES AND NOT IN THE GREATEST CONDITION. UH, AND THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO POTENTIALLY REPLANT FROM THOSE AREAS OR, OR IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION IS THAT ON NORTH WALL AVENUE, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT INSTALLING DRIVEWAYS ALONG THE SIDE STREETS COULD RESULT IN A REDUCTION IN THE, UM, NUMBER OF ON-STREET PARKING SPACES. AS IT TURNS OUT ON, UH, THE EASTERLY SIDE OF NORTH LAWN AVENUE ADJACENT TO, UH, IN THE LOCATION OF WHERE THESE DRIVEWAYS ARE PROPOSED, THERE IS NO ON-STREET PARKING ALONG THAT AREA OF NORTH LAWN EDGE. SO THOSE DRIVEWAYS WOULD NOT RESULT IN A DECREASE IN THE NUMBER OF ON STREETE PARKING SPACES. AND WITH RESPECT TO WINTHROP AVENUE, UM, THERE ALREADY ARE, UH, THERE ALREADY IS A CURB CUT. THERE ARE TWO CURB CUTS ACTUALLY ALREADY ON THE DROP. UM, ONE TO THE EXISTING HOME, WHICH IS SORT OF, UH, AS THOSE OF US THAT WERE OUT THERE ARE, ARE SORT OF WHERE LOT NINE IS. UM, THERE'S A DRIVEWAY AND THEN, UH, THERE'S ALSO A DRIVEWAY, UH, TO THE NORTHERLY LOT, WHICH NOW THERE'S A GARAGE THERE. AND WE SAW THAT, UH, I THINK DAVID'S PANNING OVER THAT. SO THERE ARE TWO CURB CUTS THERE ALREADY. THE, UH, HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE WOULD BE AN INTRODUCTION OF ONE ADDITIONAL CURB CUT, LIKELY RESULTING IN ONE, UH, THE LOSS OF ONE ON STREET PARKING SPACE IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT. SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP AT THE SITE VISIT. THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT HOW MANY ON-STREET [00:30:01] PARKING SPACES WOULD BE ELIMINATED THROUGH THE INTRODUCTION OF THESE NEW DRIVEWAYS. AND IT TURNS OUT THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE. SO I JUST WANTED THE BOARD, UH, TO BE AWARE OF THAT. AND NOW I CAN TURN IT OVER TO OUR BOARD MEMBERS TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. THAT WAS A, A PARKING WAS A BIG ISSUE BY, THAT WAS RAISED BY RESIDENTS, YOU YEAH. KEEPING ON THE PARKING THEME. WHEN YOU DO THESE, THE LITTLE BUMP OUT SO THEY CAN TURN THE CAR AROUND, DOES THAT INCREASE THE CAPACITY OF THE DRIVEWAYS FOR PARKING IN OTHER CAR OR NOT? IT DOES NOT. IT'S JUST A TURNAROUND. OKAY. SO THERE'S STILL ONLY ONE CAR IN THE DRIVEWAY AND ONE CAR IN THE GARAGE, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY, THANK YOU. IS THERE IS A POSSIBILITY TO PUT A SECOND DRIVE, BUT, UM, SINCE WE'RE IN R FIVE, IT'S VERY, VERY TIGHT AND IT WILL TAKE A MAJORITY OF OUR, UH, UH, IMPERIOUS AWAY THAT, UH, WE CURRENTLY ARE SAVING UP FOR LATER FOR LIKE A PATIO OR A DECK. OKAY. I HAVE A, I HAVE A COMMENT. YES. YEAH. SO SIR. OH, WHO HAD THAT? YOU HAD, WHO ELSE HAD THAT HAND? I DID MS. GRAY TAG RAISED HER HAND. OKAY. BOTH MONA AND THEN, UH, MICHAEL. OKAY. SO HOW MUCH MORE WOULD WE HAVE TO WIDEN THE DRIVEWAY IN ORDER TO GET A SECOND CAR SIDE BY SIDE? WELL, ESSENTIALLY, UH, IF YOU ASSUME EIGHT FEET PER CAR, CURRENTLY, WE SHOW 12 FEET FOR THE DRIVEWAY. UM, IF YOU WOULD JUST HAVE TO WIDEN ABOUT FOUR TO SIX FEET AND THEN YOU CAN DO THAT, BUT THAT WOULD REQUIRE US TO DO A BIGGER CURB CUT, UH, ONTO THE RIGHT OF WAY. WE COULDN'T DO A S A CURVED OUT, LIKE GO WITH A SINGLE, UM, YOU CAN'T DO IT FOR THE, AND CURVE OUT. IT'S HARD TO DO. OH, SORRY. IT, IT'S HARD TO DO FOR THESE DOTS BECAUSE THE DRIVER IS SO SHORT, YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TURNING RADIUS TO GET TWO CARS IN. YOU WOULD HAVE TO ESSENTIALLY HAVE THE DRIVEWAY ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE CURB. WE'RE HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND, AND THE PROJECT TEAM TO SEE IF THERE ARE WAYS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, INCREASE THE CAPACITY OF THE DRIVEWAYS, UM, AT THE BOARD'S REQUEST. WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT AND LOOK TO SEE IF THEY CAN, MAYBE, IF THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT, UH, THEY CAN SUBMIT SOMETHING AHEAD OF A PUBLIC HEARING PERHAPS. YEAH. SEE IF WE CAN SOMEHOW WIDEN IT TO SOME WAY AND GIVE THEM TWO CARS ON THE DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH, AND ONE IN THE GARAGE TO GET ADDITIONAL PARKING THIS WAY WHEN THERE IS A VISITOR, OR IF THERE IS ANOTHER CAR TO HELP WITH THE PARKING ISSUES. 'CAUSE THAT SEEMED TO BE A BIG ISSUE FROM THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT THE PARKING PROBLEMS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THERE'S NO PARKING ON PAYNE, SO PEOPLE FROM PAYNE PARK ON THE SIDE STREETS AS WELL. MM-HMM. . SO THAT'S AN ISSUE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. WOULD IT BE A POSSIBILITY TO HAVE, UH, ADDITIONAL PARKING ON PAYNE AND TURNAROUNDS FOR THE SIDE STREETS? THERE IS NO PARKING ON PAYNE. LIKE NOBODY CAN PARK ON PAYNE, THEY'RE ALL PARKING. NO, NO. I MEAN, TO WIDEN UP THE DRIVEWAY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REVIEW. I'M HAPPY TO, I'M HAPPY TO SIT DOWN. YEAH, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AND, OR LEAD VIA ZOOM WITH APPROPRIATE TOWN STAFF AS WELL AS, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PROJECT TEAM. YEAH. ANY OF THESE DRIVEWAYS THAT COULD BE WIDENED SOMEHOW TO PUT TWO CARS ON THE DRIVEWAY, I THINK IS, WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO LOOK AT. OKAY. THANK YOU MICHAEL. WE DEFINITELY DO THAT. MICHAEL. YEAH. YEAH. UM, DAVID, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA THROW YOU A CURVE, BUT JUST HEAR ME OUT AND THINK ABOUT IT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO REACT TO THIS IMMEDIATELY, BUT, YOU KNOW, I LOOKED AT THIS PROJECT NINE HOUSES ON, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY ONE ACRE, AND I SEE ALL OF THESE SMALL, YOU KNOW, LOTS WITH THE SMALL BACKYARDS, YOU KNOW, I COULD IMAGINE A FEW YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, FENCES, YOU KNOW, AROUND EACH LOT, EVERYBODY HAS A LITTLE POT POSTAGE STAMP BACKYARD. AND I'M THINKING THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD SITUATION TO HAVE A COMMON AREA IN THE BACK, A COMMON AREA SHARED BY ALL NINE LOTS, YOU KNOW, GOVERNED BY A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION. YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE MAINTAINED BY A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION. ALL THE HOUSES WOULD'VE ACCESS TO IT. SO INSTEAD OF HAVING LIKE A FEW HUNDRED SQUARE FEET IN THE BACKYARD OR A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, YOU KNOW, YOUR KIDS WOULD'VE THE ONE OF THE WHOLE CENTRAL AREA, MAYBE SOME SWINGS, YOU KNOW, UM, LITTLE BALL FIELD PLACE TO KICK A BALL AROUND. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A THOUGHT. THAT'S ONE THOUGHT. [00:35:01] THE OTHER THOUGHT WAS, I KNOW THE HOUSES ARE SET BACK 20 FEET BECAUSE OF THE, UM, BECAUSE OF THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT, BUT IF YOU CAN SET 'EM BACK 10 FEET FROM THE STREET, I, I SEE THE TURNAROUNDS MIGHT BE A PROBLEM, BUT IF YOU COULD MOVE THE HOUSES CLOSER TO THE STREET, YOU'D GET A MUCH NICER BACKYARD. YOU'RE NOT REALLY SACRIFICING MUCH IN THE FRONT BECAUSE THE FRONT YARDS ARE TINY AS IT IS. BUT I JUST THOUGHT OF RESTRUCTURING THIS A BIT TO MAKE MORE USER-FRIENDLY, MAYBE EVEN MORE SALEABLE. UM, IT MIGHT BE AN ATTRACTIVE THING TO KNOW THAT THERE'S A LARGE COMMON SPACE THAT EVERYBODY COULD USE IS, UM, JUST THE THOUGHT. OH, I, WELL, GOOD, GOOD EVENING. THIS IS MICHAEL STEIN WITH HUDSON ENGINEERING. UM, AND JUST TO RESPOND TO THAT, WE ARE, AGAIN, WE ARE IN THE R FIVE ZONING DISTRICT. I MEAN, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE REAR OF THE HOUSE IS TO THE, TO THE REAR PROPERTY LINES OR BETWEEN 30 AND 40 FEET. I PERSONALLY LIVE ON A, A LOT THAT IS ROUGHLY 4,900 SQUARE FEET. I REALLY WOULD PREFER MY OWN REAR YARD. AS SMALL AS IT MAY BE, I, I'M ABLE TO DO WHATEVER RECREATION MY OWN REAR YARD AND NOT HAVE MY, MY NEIGHBORS INTRUDE INTO, INTO MY PROPERTY. SO I, I DON'T THINK THE, OUR, OUR CLIENT WOULD, WOULD DEFINITELY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN PURSUING SOMETHING ALONG THAT LINES. UM, IT MAY NOT BE GREAT, IT MAY NOT BE HUGE, BUT IT'S STILL MY OWN BACKYARD. OKAY. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BY BOARD TIES? YEAH, ROGER, GO AHEAD. UH, YEAH, I THINK, UH, UH, UH, THE, THE, THE PROPOSED ALTERNATE IS DEFINITELY BETTER THAN THE, UH, WAS THERE BEFORE WITH THE FOUR, UM, DRIVEWAYS COMING INTO THE PAIN STREET, WHICH IS A, UH, NARROW STREET WITH A TWO-WAY TRAFFIC. AND, UH, UH, I, I WOULD SORT OF, UH, IT, IT'S IMPROVEMENT ON WHAT IS THERE, BUT I THINK I STILL, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IF YOU CAN DO BOTH OF THE, UH, HAVE NO NO OR ONE, UH, DRIVEWAY COMING OUT ONTO THE PAIN STREET, UH, WHICH REQUIRES, UH, UH, SOME REORGANIZATIONS AND SOME KIND OF, UH, LOOKING AT, UH, UH, LOOKING AT ALL THE LOTS AND, UM, AND I WAS KIND OF REVIEWING SOME OF THE LOTS ARE, UH, PARTICULARLY THE ONE, THE LOT NUMBER, UH, AND IN THE BACK I CAN'T SEE THE LOT. UH, I MEAN THE HOUSE, I THINK IT'S ONE YEAH, ONE, THE, THE NORTHERNLY LOTS. YEAH, NORTHERN . UH, AND IF YOU CAN MAKE IT A, UH, LITTLE SMALLER AND THEN HAVING A SPACE AVAILABLE FOR THE FRONT AREA WHERE THE FOUR HOUSES YOU CAN SORT OF TURN AROUND AND PUT IT ON A WINDROW AND THEN NORTH LAWN. AND I SUGGESTED THAT, AND I THINK DAVID SAID THAT HE'S GONNA LOOK INTO IT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHETHER, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? THAT'S NUMBER ONE COMMENT. SECOND ONE IS A, UH, BE REQUESTED IN TERMS OF THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WHICH, UH, ALL THE NEIGHBORS WERE CONCERNED. AND I THINK DAVID OR MICHAEL, THEY SAID THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE SOME SORT OF ELEVATION, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, MORE HELPFUL TO THE BOARD AS WELL AS, UH, NEIGHBORS TO KIND OF SEE, UH, WHAT HEIGHT AND WHAT SORT OF, UH, MASSING WOULD BE ON THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, RIGHT. THANK YOU COR AND I HAD A FOLLOW UP DISCUSSION WITH DAVID YOUNG ON THAT, AND THEY'RE HAVING, I BELIEVE THEIR ARCHITECT, I'LL LET DAVID ANSWER IT, BUT I BELIEVE THEY'RE HAVING THEIR ARCHITECT PUT TOGETHER PERHAPS LIKE A THREE D RENDERING OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF RENDERING OR ELEVATION PLAN FOR THE BOARD. BUT JUST WITH A FEW DAYS ADVANCE SINCE WE JUST HAD THE SITE VISIT, THEY JUST SIMPLY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME, BUT ABSOLUTELY WOULD FOR ANY FUTURE MEETING. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. YEAH, DAVID, THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. I, UH, IF NO OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE A COMMENT, I, I HAVE A COMMENT TO YOU. I I DID I HAVE MY HAND UP AUTHOR. OH, I'M SORRY. OKAY. JUST REAL QUICK, UM, I'M ALSO A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T TALKED, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PARKING, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC. PAYNE STREET, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IS PROBLEMATIC IN THE MORNING. UM, THANK YOU HERE. YOU'RE WELCOME. MONA, I WAS HOPING YOU WERE GONNA SAY IT. THIS IS MONA TELLING ME THIS ACTUALLY, SO I'LL GIVE THE CREDIT TO MONA. UM, DO YOU WANT TO GO TALK ABOUT IT? MONA, GO AHEAD. I'LL YIELD TO YOU. THE NEIGHBORS ALSO MENTIONED IN THE [00:40:01] MORNING TIME TRAFFIC BACKS UP PAST, UM, WINTHROP GOING TO, UM, NINE A. SO HOW CARS ARE GONNA GET OUT IS, THAT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE. OKAY. THAT'S ANOTHER REASON NOT TO PUT THE DRIVEWAYS ON PAIN, PAIN STREET. UM, OKAY. UM, I THINK ALSO, UM, UH, WELL, I I HAVE A COMMENT. OKAY, SO GO AHEAD. SORRY. IF, IF, IF YOU PUT THE, THE PROPOSED HOUSING FULL, FULL, FULL SCREEN, I LIKE TO GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP WHERE YOU HAVE THAT LOT, THE ODD SHAPED LOT. OKAY. YOU SEE IT NOW. NOW ONE, I THINK ONE OF THE COMMENTS WERE MADE IS WHY COULDN'T YOU PUT HAMMERHEADS ON, UH, ON NORTH LAWN AVENUE? AND, UH, I THINK YOU SAID BECAUSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY, YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUT WALLS UP TO SEE THAT. UM, WHAT IF THESE HOUSES WERE FURTHER APART AND YOU DID NOT HAVE THAT NINTH HOUSE, HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT WHETHER OR NOT YOU COULD PUT AT LEAST, UH, UH, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S IN THAT CORNER, UH, OF, UH, NORTH AND PAYNE, BUT HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT THE, AT LEAST THE OTHER TWO HOUSES IN TERMS OF PUTTING A, UH, UH, OKAY, LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY. WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PUT A TURNAROUND ON ALL ON THE PROPERTIES ON NORTH LAWN AVENUE? SO IT'S POSSIBLE. SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST DOING IS TO INCREASE THE WALLS, NOT JUST FOR THE DRIVEWAY ITSELF. UH, IT WILL REQUIRE A LOT MORE EARTHWORK. UM, BUT UH, IT IS POSSIBLE. SO WHAT WE, WHAT YOU WOULD DO IS ESSENTIALLY MOVE THE RETAINING WALL UP THIS WAY FALLS OVER, CREATE YOUR TURNAROUND, AND THAT WAY WHEN THEY BACK UP, IT'S SAFE. THERE IS NO WALLS TO WORRY ABOUT. THAT'S HOW I WOULD DO IT. UM, BUT IT DOES CREATE MORE EARTHWORK. UH, I HAVE TO DO ANALYSIS TO SEE IF IT WILL AFFECT, UH, THE TREES IN THE AREAS, THE SLOPES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. UM, IT MIGHT HAVE TO AFFECT THE CURB CUTS THAT ARE ONTO THE STREET, UM, BUT THERE ARE OTHER IMPACTS FOR IT. IF WE WANT TO DO A MINIMUM IMPACT, UH, THIS IS HOW WE WOULD SHOW IT. BUT IT IS A POSSIBILITY AND WE DID LOOK INTO IT. OKAY. NOW, WHAT WILL THAT DO ALSO, THIS IS MICHAEL STEIN FROM HUDSON. IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER HOUSES IN THIS AREA, UH, BETWEEN NORTH LAWN, BETWEEN WINTHROP, BETWEEN ALL THE OTHER STREETS, THESE ARE THE, THE HOUSES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING WITH TURNAROUNDS. THESE ARE THE ONLY HOUSES THAT ACTUALLY HAVE THEM THERE. THERE'S NO OTHER HOUSES IN THIS AREA THAT ACTUALLY HAVE BACKUP TURNAROUNDS TO ACCESS OUT TO THE STREET. LIKE NORTH LAWN IS NOT A HIGHLY TRAFFICKED ROAD WHERE IT, IT'S, IT'S CRITICAL WHAT, LIKE NINE A THAT YOU WOULD NEED A, A TURNAROUND TO PROVIDE THE BACK OUT INTO THE ROAD. SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE GARAGES THEMSELF ACTUALLY BACK OUT DIRECTLY INTO THE ROAD. AND BACKING UP FROM MICHAEL, UM, WINTHROP AND THIS WINTHROP STREET AND THIS NORTH LAWN ACTUALLY MAKES A LOOP. SO THE TRAFFIC IN THESE TWO STREETS ARE MINIMUM, THERE IS NO, UH, THERE WOULD BE NO COMMUTER TRAFFIC OR ANY OTHER TRAFFIC EXCEPT FOR RESIDENTIAL. SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THE TURNAROUND IS REALLY THE ISSUE THOUGH. I, I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE. YOU'RE ADDING A LOT OF HOUSES TO A VERY SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS LIMITED ON STREET PARKING ALREADY. AND, UH, SO UNLESS YOU'RE ACHIEVING AN ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACE, I, I, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULDN'T WANNA DO THOSE LITTLE BUMP OUTS ON WINTHROP, BECAUSE I COULD SEE THAT THERE ISN'T THAT MUCH TRAFFIC ON WINTHROP. CLEARLY ON PAIN. YOU NEED TO, 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND IT GOES FAST ON PAIN WHEN IT'S NOT BACKING UP. SO IT'D BE BETTER TO COME UP FRONT WITH, BUT THE REAL ISSUE TO ME IS MORE, UH, SUFFICIENT PARKING, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE HAVE TWO CARS, SO THAT MEANS ANYBODY WHO'S COMING TO VISIT HAS TO PARK ON A STREET THAT'S ALREADY PRETTY HEAVILY PARKED. OKAY. YES, IT IS A POSSIBILITY. WE'LL LOOK INTO PUTTING A, A THIRD DRIVEWAY OR THIRD OUR PARKING FRONT. OH, FOR IN THE R FIVE, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, AARON, THAT WE, WE DON'T HAVE THE RESTRICTIONS WHERE WE DO IN OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS WHERE WE CAN'T HAVE PARKING IN THE SIDE YARD. SO PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT BECOMES OF HOW IT'S PROVIDED. SO IT COULD EXTEND OUT, UM, TO, [00:45:01] TO THE, UH, THE, THE, THE SIDE YARD SIDE TO PROVIDE THE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACE. BUT I THINK WE'RE STILL ALSO LIMITED TO, UH, CURB CUT THAT WE'RE PERMITTED TO HAVE. THAT'S RIGHT. SO YOU CAN EXTEND INTO THE SIDE YARD. I KNOW THAT WE WOULDN'T WANT THE DRIVEWAY, BUT UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME SHRUBBERY OR SOMETHING JUST TO HAVE THAT SEPARATION. BUT YOU CAN CERTAINLY ENCROACH INTO THE SIDE YARD, I BELIEVE, OF WHICH THE, THE MINIMUM ONE SIDE IS EIGHT AND THE OTHER SIDE IS 10. I BELIEVE YOU CAN DO THAT, MICHAEL. THAT'S CORRECT. AND, UM, HOWEVER, YOU DO NEED TO MEET THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS WITH RESPECT TO MAXIMUM DRIVEWAY WIDTH OF 30 FEET AND THEN MAXIMUM CURB CUT AS WELL. UH, AND, AND THE OTHER THING WHEN WE RECONFIGURE OR THE, ANY PROPOSED RECONFIGURATION HAS TO TAKE INTO EFFECT, UM, THE POSSIBILITY OF A HOMEOWNER WANTED TO BILL A PATIO IN THE BACK, AND IF SO, WE SHOULD NOT COME UP WITH A DESIGN THAT WILL MAX OUT IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. RIGHT. OKAY. I DON'T, I I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE NUMBERS THAT WOULD ALTER AND, UH, WELL, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING THEY ARE. I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF. RIGHT. THE FOOTPRINT ON THESE HOUSES IS FAIRLY SMALL, AND WHEN AARON AND I LOOKED AT THAT, I'M, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ADDING, IF YOU'RE ADDING ANOTHER PARKING SPACE, YOU'RE ADDING ROUGHLY 300 SQUARE FEET, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, ABOUT 300 SQUARE FEET. SO YOU'RE ADDING, RIGHT, SO 300 DIVIDED BY 5,000 IS WHAT MIGHT EVEN BE A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT. YEAH, YEAH. NO, I'M NOT ASKING. NO, IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT. MY POINT HERE, A LITTLE 10, 20, 20 BY 12. YEAH, YEAH. THAT'D BE 240 SQUARE FEET, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. MY POINT IS THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THE RESHUFFLING AND POSSIBLY MOVING THE DRIVEWAYS AROUND AND POSSIBLY EXTENDING OR HAVING A TURNAROUND OR WIDEN THE, UH, THE ROAD, JUST WE HAVE TO LIKE, UH, UH, KEEP IN MIND THAT WE, WHATEVER DESIGN WE FINALLY COME UP WITH, WE SHOULD NOT COME UP WITH A DESIGN THAT WILL PROHIBIT THE HOMEOWNER FROM PUTTING THE PADDING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE. I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S A CONCERN THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MARKED. OKAY. I WOULD, I WOULD RATHER ELIMINATE THE TURNAROUND ON WINTHROP AND GIVE THEM A WIDER DRIVEWAY IF THEY DON'T NEED THE TURNAROUND TO GET OUT ONTO WINTHROP IF IT'S NOT THAT BUSY. MM-HMM. , SHE WAS SHAKING HIS HEAD YES, I AGREE WITH THAT. YEAH. HEY, OUTTA CURIOSITY, WE HAVE MISSED, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REDESIGNING THE, THE WHOLE AREA, THE, ON WINTHROP AVENUE. ALRIGHT, FIRST OF ALL, THE PROPERTY AT THE VERY, UM, OH, I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T REALIZE MY VIDEO WAS OFF. OH, THANK YOU. THE, THE PROPERTY AT THE MOST NORTHERN END HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A TAIL TO IT, RIGHT? IT SEEMS. YEAH, CORRECT. YES. PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE USED. OKAY. SO IS THERE AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT THE DRIVEWAY HAS TO BE AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE? AND HERE'S WHY I ASKED ON WINTHROP AVENUE BETWEEN, UH, HOUSES NUMBER TWO AND THREE ON THE MOST NORTHERN END, IF THAT TAIL WAS ELIMINATED AND THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BE SHUFFLED UP, WOULDN'T THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A PAPER ROAD OR A PRIVATE DRIVE, UH, FOR THE PROPERTIES AT THE MOST SOUTHERN END OF THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW A DRIVEWAY OR, UM, A GARAGE TO BE IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AS OPPOSED TO THE FRONT, AND THEREFORE THE HOUSES AT THE MOST SOUTHERN END COULD KIND OF MOVE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE STREET AND THE, UM, THAT THAT AREA COULD BE SOMEWHAT REDUCED SO THAT IT ELIMINATES THE PARKING ON PAYNE STREET AND THE TRAFFIC WILL THEREFORE, FOR THESE, THESE HOUSES ONLY BE LIMITED TO NORTH LAWN AND WINTHROP AVENUE, AND YOU WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, UH, PARKING ON, UM, OR TRAFFIC ON, ON PAINE STREET BEING AFFECTED BY THESE PROPERTIES. YEAH. QUESTION NOW, I, I I, I, I FOLLOW YOU THAT IF YOU TAKE THAT PROPERTY ON, UM, WHAT IS THAT? THAT'S THE NORTHERN SIDE. MM-HMM. , AND YOU HAVE THE, ACTUALLY THAT PART WOULD BE A DRIVEWAY INTO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WHERE, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE, THE, HOW THE SIZES AND AREAS TO WORK OUT, BUT LET'S, LET'S ARGUE YOU COULD [00:50:01] COME UP WITH A DECENT DESIGN AND YOU WOULD ELIMINATE, OKAY, A, A, UH, A DRIVEWAY ON, ON, UM, NORTH LAWN BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE PUTTING A DRIVEWAY. RIGHT NOW IT'S THREE. IF YOU PUT THAT, UH, THE DRIVEWAY ON PAYNE ON NORTH LAWN, NOW YOU HAVE, UH, FOUR DRIVEWAYS AT NORTH LAWN. BUT THEN IF YOU TAKE THAT OTHER, THIS, UH, THE HOUSE FURTHER NORTH AND MAKE THAT LITTLE STRIP A DRIVEWAY, THEN YOU HAVE, UH, YOU HAVE TWO, YOU HAVE THREE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREETS THAT, UH, THAT HAS LESS TRAFFIC. AND WITH THIS DESIGN, YOU ONLY HAVE TWO, UH, HOUSES THAT COME OUT ON PAYING. AND THEN IF IT WAS POSSIBLE TO, UH, WIDENING THE DRIVEWAY OF THOSE TWO HOUSES OF PAYING, UH, THAT MIGHT, THAT'S A POSSIBLE, THE ONLY DOWNSIDE, WHAT I WAS THINKING, UH, IF YOU LOOK BETWEEN ON WINTHROP AVENUE, THE, THE TOP TWO PROPERTIES, YEAH. SEE ONE, TWO AND THEN THE THIRD ONE, THAT'S THREE DRIVEWAYS. SO THE LAST DRIVEWAY POTENTIALLY GETS ELIMINATED. AND INSTEAD YOU HAVE A PAPER ROAD BETWEEN, UH, ONE AND TWO AND THREE GOING TOWARDS THE BACK OF ALL PROPERTIES. SO ALL PROPERTIES, UM, ON PAYNE STREET THAT IS, UH, PAYNE STREET FACING NOW HAS ACCESS TO THAT PAPER ROAD AND THE DRIVE AND THE, UH, PARKING SITUATION HAPPENS IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AS OPPOSED TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. I THINK IF YOU DO THAT, YOU'RE GONNA REALLY, REALLY AFFECT THE IMPERMEABLE SURFACE. UH, YOU'VE GOT THE, THE LENGTH OF THE DRIVEWAY ON THAT LOT, I GUESS WE'RE CALLING THAT LOT ONE THE NORTHERN MOST LOT. CORRECT. THAT DRIVEWAY WOULD BE 40 FEET FROM THE HOUSE. I THINK IT WOULD BE HUGE. AND THAT WOULD BE, AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDING WHAT YOU'RE CALLING A PAPER STREET, SO, UM, OR THAT WOULD BE THE PAPER STREET AND YOU COULDN'T, IT COULDN'T BE A PAPER STREET. 'CAUSE THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE 5,000 SQUARE FOOT FEET FOR LOT, LOT ONE. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. SO YOU HAVE THE PROBLEMS. I, I, I WAS THINKING MAYBE I COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, SUM THINGS UP BECAUSE I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, WHAT SOME OF THE PRIMARY CONCERNS OF THE BOARD ARE. AND, AND FIRST AND FOREMOST, IT'S, YOU'VE CLEARLY WITH THE ALTERNATE PLAN REDUCED THE TOTAL NUMBER OF CURB CUTS ALONG PAIN STREET, UM, THE BOARD AND, AND PLEASE STEP IN IT IF YOU FEEL I'M OFF BASE HERE, BUT, UM, THE BOARD IS ASKING YOU TO FURTHER CONSIDER, UM, AN AN ALTERNATE PLAN THAT EITHER CUTS DOWN THE CURB, CUTS ON PAIN STREET TO EITHER ZERO OR ONE. AND IF THAT RESULTS IN A RECONFIGURATION OF ONE OR MORE OF THE LOTS, THEN THEY'D STILL LIKE TO SEE THAT ALTERNATIVE. UM, OTHER COMMENT OR QUE OR CONCERN RELATES TO THE NUMBER OF OFF STREET PARKING SPACES. AND WHILE, UM, THE CODE DOES REQUIRE TWO AND, AND RE MEETING THE CODE, SO VARIANCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT REQUIRED, UH, THE BOARD HAS EXPRESSED THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, OKAY, THERE'S TWO RESIDENCES THERE NOW AND, UH, NOW AND IN THE FUTURE CONDITION YOU'D HAVE NINE, WHICH INTRODUCES A LOT MORE VEHICLES ONTO THESE NARROW ROADWAYS THAT HAVE LIMITED PARKING. SO IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL OFF STREET PARKING SPACE, UM, THROUGH WIDENING THE DRIVEWAY OR SOME OTHER MEANS, THAT'S CERTAINLY ENCOURAGED AND THE BOARD WOULD LIKE YOU TO LOOK AT THAT. YEAH. NOW, AND ALSO THE, UH, I THINK AARON, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT, UH, UH, ELEVATION OR, OR LIKE THREE D UH, YEAH. THINGS AVAILABLE, SO, WHICH WE REQUESTED, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME, BUT, UH, WHENEVER THE NEXT TIME THEY APPEAR IN FRONT OF THE BOARD, THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT SO THAT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY. AND THEY'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON IT AND THEY WILL. OKAY, SO WHAT, OKAY, THEN WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT, UH, WE ARE REQUESTING OF THE APPLICANT. SO OBVIOUSLY WE NEED ANOTHER WORK SESSION. SO LET'S PUT THIS BACK ON THE, WHAT'S THE DECEMBER 1ST WORK SESSION? UH, IF THE APPLICANT FAILED, THAT'S ENOUGH TIME TO, TO PROVIDE THIS, UH, INFORMATION. UH, UH, I'LL SCHEDULE ANOTHER WORK SESSION FOR DECEMBER 1ST. UH, UH, SO I CAN, UH, WE ARE, WE CAN DO EVERYTHING BY DECEMBER 1ST. THE ONLY THING I DO WORRY ABOUT IS THE THREE DUE RENDERING. [00:55:01] UH, IF WE HAD A LITTLE MORE TIME WITH THAT, WE CAN GET THAT DONE, BUT I CAN, UH, CREATE ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE FOR YOU GUYS FOR FIRST. YEAH, YEAH. WELL, I THINK THE KEY THING IS TO LOOK AT THE HEIGHT OF THESE HOUSES COMPARED TO THE SURROUNDING HOUSES. UH, THREE D RENDERING IS ONE WAY OF DOING IT, BUT THE KEY INFORMATION WE NEED AND UH, IS GET A RELATIVE COMPARISON OF THE HEIGHT OF THESE BUILDINGS TO THE HEIGHT OF THE OTHER. SO I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU EXACTLY HOW YOU DO THAT, BUT THAT'S THE TYPE OF INFORMATION WE NEED. OKAY, GOT IT. RIGHT. AND, AND WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT, UM, WHILE I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE CERTAINLY HAVE BEEN SOME VALID QUESTIONS AND THE BOARD WANTS TO SEE A FURTHER ALTERNATIVE. UM, AND, AND THAT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, MR. YOUNG HAS INDICATED CAN HE CAN GET IN AHEAD OF THE MEETING ON DECEMBER 1ST IN THE EVENT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THE THREE D RENDERING OR OTHER INFORMATION, UM, THAT THE BOARD'S REQUESTED. I WOULD SAY THAT PROBABLY FOLLOWING THAT WORK SESSION, IT'S GONNA MAKE SENSE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AS PART OF PUBLIC HEARING. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT NECESSARILY HAS TO BE A, A ONE AND DONE PUBLIC HEARING PROVIDED THERE ARE COMMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, WARRANT RESPONSES OR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT. BUT I THINK IT'S PROBABLY GETTING CLOSE TO THE POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD MAY WANT TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD FROM SOME MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AT THE SITE VISIT, AND THAT WAS GREAT AND I THINK VERY HELPFUL. UM, THERE MAY BE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ATTEND THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND I THINK THE BOARD WOULD BENEFIT FROM THAT INFORMATION. OKAY. MR. YEAH, I HAVE ONE OTHER THING. I, I, I DID WANNA SAY, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, MR. STEINER IS STILL ON THE, ON, ON THE CALL OR NOT. UH, BUT I WANTED TO SAY THIS TO DA DAVID WITH HIM ON THE CALL. UM, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF SITE VISITS AND THE ONE THING THAT WAS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED IS THE WAY YOU LAID OUT THE SUBDIVISIONS. YEAH. AND I WANTED TO GO ON PUBLIC RECORD IS THANKING YOU FOR, FOR MAKING IT VERY CLEAR WITH THE TAPE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT WE KNEW WHERE ALL THE LINES WORK. THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN ALL THE TIME. SO, YOU KNOW, I HOPE THAT'S A MODEL NOT ONLY FOR YOU, BUT HOPEFULLY SOME OF THE OTHER ENGINEERS THAT COME BEFORE US IN THE FUTURE WILL DO THE SAME, DO THE SAME THING. IT MADE, MADE IT SO MUCH EASIER TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. YEAH. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU ALSO ABSOLUTELY NOT RIGHT THAT A WELL ORGANIZED SITE VISIT BECAUSE OF THAT. OKAY. SO WHAT, UH, WE WILL DO AS LONG AS THE APPLICANTS FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THEY CAN, THEY'LL BE PREPARED FOR OUR FIRST MEETING DECEMBER, WHAT IS THAT? DECEMBER 1ST DECEMBER. FIRST DECEMBER 1ST MEETING. THEN, UH, I WOULD PUT YOU ON THE, THE, THE SCHEDULE FOR A FOLLOW-UP WORK SESSION ON DECEMBER 1ST. OKAY. AND THEN YOU, YOU COORDINATE WITH DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT IN TERMS OF THE INFORMATION TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, HE WILL GET ALL THE INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, BY THE WEDNESDAY PRIOR TO THAT TO PUT IN OUR INFORMATION PACKET. SO PLEASE KEEP IN CONTACT WITH HIM AT, WELL YOU'VE BEEN DOING THAT ALREADY SO WE COULD MAKE SURE THAT, UH, ALL THE INFORMATION IS IN, IN TIME FOR US TO HAVE A PRODUCTIVE MEETING. THEN DECEMBER 1ST, I THANK THE APPLICANT. THEY'VE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE AND VERY, UH, WILLING TO WORK ON THIS PROJECT. I THINK IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, HOUSING IN THE TOWN IS NEEDED AND UH, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S APPROPRIATE, UH, ARRANGEMENT FOR THE TOWN. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE IT. AND I DEFINITELY GIVE CREDIT TO DAVID FROM MY OFFICE. YOU'VE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD ON IT. OKAY GUYS, HAVE A GOOD EVENING. HAVE A GOOD EVENING, GUYS. TAKE CARE. OKAY, THANK YOU. UH, NOW WE WILL NOW GO, UH, INTO A PUBLIC HEARING SESSION OF THE THE NIGHT'S MEETING. YES. BARBARA, ARE YOU READY FOR US? YEAH. YES, COULD DO. UH, OKAY. WE GOT THE THUMBS UP. THANK YOU, BARBARA. YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO CALL THE ROLE CHAIRPERSON. PLEASE DO. CHAIRPERSON. SIMON, CHAIR. MR. SCHWARTZ. HERE. MR. GOLDEN. HERE. MR. DESAI. HERE. MS. TTAG HERE. UH, MR. SNAGS HERE. NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT BOARD MEMBER THOMAS HAY, AS WELL AS JONATHAN CAMPUZANO, OUR ALTERNATE MEMBER AND OUR PRESENT THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. UM, [01:00:01] I THINK WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING ON AND CHAIRPERSON SIMON? YES, WE DO. CASE, UH, PB 2122. COULD YOU INTRODUCE THE CASE? ABSOLUTELY. SO AGAIN, AS CHAIRPERSON SIMON MENTIONED, OUR PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING IS ON CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 22, THE DERO PROJECT LOCATED ALONG CROSS HILL ROAD, PO HARTSDALE AND THE R 21 FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT SEEKS PLANNING BOARD WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, A POOL AND RELATED IMPROVEMENTS AND EXISTING VACANT LOT. THE WATERCOURSE AND WATERCOURSE BUFFER AREA ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 21,218 SQUARE FEET, AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING APPROXIMATELY 18 18,500 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE. THE EXISTING ONSITE WATERCOURSE IS PROPOSED TO BE REROUTED INTO A 24 INCH PIPE AROUND THE PROPERTY AND CONNECTED TO A 24 INCH PIPE THAT EXISTS ADJACENT TO THE REAR PROPERTY LINE. THE WATER COURSE CURRENTLY FUNCTIONS AS A STORMWATER DRAINAGE CHANNEL AND RUNS ROUGHLY DIAGONALLY ACROSS THE PROPERTY FROM SOUTHEAST CORNER TO THE NORTHWEST CORNER. PROPERTY CONTAINS AN ABANDONED FUEL AND SHED BOTH PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED. AS PART OF THE PROJECT. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE REMOVAL OF 22 REGULATED TREES REQUIRING A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, AND HAS PREPARED A LANDSCAPING PLAN, WHICH CALLS FOR THE PLANTING OF 35 TREES AND 10 SHRUBS AS REPLACEMENT. THE APPLICANT HAS MET WITH THE C A C AND OBTAINED A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION, WHICH HAS BEEN FORWARDED ALONG TO THE PLANNING BOARD PROJECT WAS LAST DISCUSSED IN WORK SESSION AT THE NOVEMBER 3RD MEETING. THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, WHICH WE DO HAVE ON THIS EVENING. SO I JUST WANTED TO ALERT THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT, UM, I BELIEVE THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK THIS EVENING, BUT I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO MR. RENADO AND THE PROJECT TEAM AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. AND WE'VE ENABLED THE SHARE SCREEN AS WELL. THANK YOU. UM, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, AARON, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR, UH, JUST ACTIVELY DESCRIBING THE PROJECT VERY WELL. UM, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING US ON FOR THE PLANNING BOARD AGENDA TONIGHT. UM, I'M JEREMY RONALDO JUST IN HERE FOR THE OWNERS, UH, SYLVIA AND JOHN DEMARIO, UM, WHO WISH TO CONSTRUCT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THE VACANT PIECE OF LAND THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS. UM, THAT AARON, I, I THINK DESCRIBED PRETTY WELL. UH, I WILL PUT MY SCREEN UP NOW JUST FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE HERE. UM, SO THIS IS THE PROJECT. UM, THERE IS A VACANT PIECE OF LAND HERE, WHICH WE WILL BE CONSTRUCTING A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, UH, A SMALL POOL. IT WILL BE SERVED BY TOWN WATER AND A RESIDENTIAL SEPTIC SYSTEM, WHICH HAS APPROVAL THROUGH THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT. UM, THE EXISTING POOL AND STRUCTURES THAT ARE ON THE LOT WILL BE REMOVED, AND THERE IS A WATER COURSE THAT RUNS FROM ACROSS THE STREET, UH, THROUGH THE PROPERTY IN, IN THIS DIRECTION, UM, AND CURRENTLY OUTLETS INTO AN EXISTING PIPE IN THE REAR OF THE PARCEL, UM, THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE PIPED THROUGH A NEW 24 INCH PIPE TO MATCH THE SIZE OF THE EXISTING OUTLET, UM, AND BE REROUTED AROUND WHERE THE NEW DWELLING AND GARAGE WOULD BE PLACED. UM, WE DID HAVE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM ENGINEERING, UM, BACK IN A PRELIMINARY REVIEW OF THE PROJECT, WHICH WERE PRIMARILY DRIVEN AROUND PROVIDING AN ANALYSIS THAT WOULD MAP HOW THE WATER WOULD BE CHANNELED THROUGH THIS NEW, UH, PIPING SYSTEM AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD PROVIDE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES OR MORE SO THIS RECEIVING OUTLET THAT IS HERE. UH, WE DID PROVIDE ENGINEERING WITH THAT ANALYSIS. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE HAD TIME TO REVIEW AND RESPOND YET. UH, I CAN JUMP IN ON THAT. SURE. MR. RENADO. SO, AND, AND I'M GLAD YOU YOU MENTIONED THAT. SO JUST REPORTING TO THE BOARD AND, AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, I, THE, THE ANALYSIS WAS [01:05:01] PROVIDED LAST WEEK TO THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING. I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH THE TOWN ENGINEER THIS AFTERNOON, AND HE, HE AND HIS OFFICE HAVE PRELIMINARILY REVIEWED THE ANALYSIS AND BELIEVE THAT IT ABSOLUTELY DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TOWN CODE WITH RESPECT TO, UH, SIZING OF THE PIPE LOCATION OF THE PIPE AND, UM, THE, THE ABILITY FOR THE PIPE TO HANDLE THESE FLOWS THAT WOULD MOVE THROUGH THIS CHANNEL. SO, UH, THEY DO HAVE PRELIMINARILY ACCEPTED THAT THAT ANALYSIS. I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO MR. RENADO. UM, SO AS AARON HAS SPOKEN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE PROVIDED ENGINEERING WITH THAT ANALYSIS. I'M, I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT THEY DID HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT. UH, I KNOW THEY WEREN'T REALLY AFFORDED A LOT OF TIME, A AS WE KIND OF GOT THIS SUBMISSION IN, UH, UNDER THE GUN JUST FOR THIS MEETING AS WELL. UM, I DON'T REALLY THINK THERE IS MUCH MORE, YOU KNOW, ASIDE FROM THE MORE DETAILED PLANTINGS, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF SCOTT IS ON OR NOT TONIGHT WHO PROVIDE THE PLANTING PLAN. UM, IT, IT'D BE HELPFUL IF SOMEONE COULD GO THROUGH THE TREE REMOVAL AND LANDSCAPING FOR THE BENEFIT OF BOTH THE BOARD AND, AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. NO, HE'S NOT HERE. SCOTT, SCOTT ISN'T ON TONIGHT, SO I, I MEAN I CAN . NO, HE, YEAH, HE'S NOT ON. THIS IS JOHN DEMARRO. UH, HE'S NOT ON, HE DIDN'T GET INVITED TO THE ZOOM, SO HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. SO HE'S NOT ON, BUT, UH, IF WE NEED HIM, I COULD GIVE HIM A CALL. I IS THAT MR. YOUNG SCOTT YOUNG? YES. WELL, I, I DID SEND SOMETHING OUT. UH, OKAY. I SENT OUT ALL THE INVITES, SO PERHAPS HE DIDN'T SEE IT OR IT WENT, MIGHT HAVE, MIGHT NOT GOT IT OR SOMETHING, BUT OKAY. BUT WE COULD GIVE HIM A CALL IF WE NEED TO. OKAY. COULD, WE CAN GO THROUGH IT. I, I'M HAPPY TO HELP, YOU KNOW, EXPLAIN IT TO A DEGREE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL ALSO, UH, FOR MR. RANDO TO GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE, THERE'S A POOL PROPOSED, SHOW US THAT THE DRIVEWAY, THE GARAGE. RIGHT, RIGHT. UM, WHERE THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT CHAMBERS ARE. SURE. THINGS OF THAT, WHERE THE SEPTIC FIELD IS LOCATED AND THE, AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, AND, AND THAT, AND THAT WILL GIVE, THAT WILL GIVE US A FEW TIME, HOPEFULLY THAT, UH, UH, THE ARBORIST WILL GET ON, BUT IF NOT, THEN, UH, I YOU COULD, AARON AND THE APPLICANT COULD, UH, DO THE BEST TO WALK US THROUGH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. SURE. UM, SO I'LL JUST WALK THROUGH THE, UM, THE, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT A LITTLE MORE DETAILED. UM, WE, WE WILL HAVE A NEW CURB CUT HERE, UH, FOR A DRIVEWAY THAT WILL ENTER OFF OF CROSS HILL ROAD. UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE A A TWO BAY GARAGE, UM, AND IT WILL BE A THREE BEDROOM HOUSE THAT WILL BE SERVED BY A SEPTIC SYSTEM LOCATED IN THE FRONT LAWN AREA HERE. UM, WE ALSO NEED TO PROVIDE A SECONDARY EXPANSION SEPTIC SYSTEM FOR THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT. UH, THIS AREA WILL BE THERE FOR RESERVE ONLY. UM, IN, IN EVENT THAT THIS SEPTIC DOES FAIL AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, THEY DO REQUIRE US TO PROVIDE A PREDETERMINED EXPANSION AREA FOR, UH, THE SEPTIC SYSTEM. SO ESSENTIALLY WE'RE SIZING FOR TWO SYSTEMS WITHIN THE LOT. UM, THIS DOES HAVE COUNTY APPROVAL. WE DID JUST FILE FOR THE RENEWAL FOR THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, IT HAD A PRIOR APPROVAL THROUGH THE PRIOR OWNER. NOW WE'RE JUST FILING FOR RENEWAL BASICALLY TO CHANGE THE NAMES, UM, AND JUST ADDRESS EVERYTHING WITH THE COUNTY. UM, THE POOL THAT IS LOCATED IN THE REAR YARD IS APPROXIMATELY 26 FEET OFF THE REAR YARD SETBACK AND 21 FEET OFF THE SIDE YARD SETBACK. IT'S A 30 BY 15 POOL, UM, NOT A VERY LARGE POOL AT ALL FOR, FOR A RESIDENCE. A TYPICAL SIZE IS LIKE A 20 BY 40, SO IT'S A BIT ON THE SMALLER SIDE. UM, IT'S GOING TO TAKE UP A, A DECENT AMOUNT OF THE REAR YARD HERE. AND THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, WHICH IS, UH, AN UNDERGROUND CALTECH TYPE, PRETTY TYPICAL STORMWATER SYSTEM, UH, WHICH WE'LL COLLECT RUNOFF FROM THE POOL AND THE DWELLING IN THE GARAGE, AND REROUTE THAT INTO THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM FOR UNDERGROUND INFILTRATION. UM, THAT SYSTEM IN EVENTS THAT ARE LARGER THAN THE DETERMINED, UH, EVENT FROM THE TOWN ENGINEERS, WHICH I BELIEVE IS A 25 YEAR STORM OR MORE SIGNIFICANT, UH, A HUNDRED YEAR STORMS OR SO ON AND SO [01:10:01] FORTH, DOES HAVE, UH, AN OVERFLOW THAT WOULD GO INTO THIS PIPING SYSTEM, UM, AND SORT OF FOLLOW THE NATURAL DRAINAGE PATH THAT IT DOES. NOW, THIS WAS ALL ALSO MODELED WITHIN THAT DRAINAGE ANALYSIS THAT WAS PROVIDED SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, SORT OF THE NATURE OF THAT ANALYSIS, WHICH HAD US TAKE THE STREAM FROM ITS BEGINNINGS ALL THE WAY THROUGH THIS EXISTING VACANT LOT HERE, AND THEN INTO THE, UH, 24 INCH OUTLET. IN ORDER FOR US TO CORRECTLY MODEL IT, WE DID HAVE TO MODEL WHAT WAS GOING GOING TO BE DONE HERE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. UM, AND THERE WAS A, A REDUCTION IN THE RUNOFF THAT'S PROVIDED BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE OF THE STORM WATER THAT NEEDS TO BE INSTALLED, UM, FOR THIS RECEIVING PIPE OUTLET HERE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON MAYBE THE DEVELOPMENT HERE OR IF YOU WANT ME TO TRY TO GET THROUGH THE LANDSCAPING PLAN IF, I DON'T KNOW IF SCOTT WAS, THERE IS A STREAM GOING THROUGH THE PROPERTY AND I, UH, SOME OF THE COMMENTS I SAW FROM RESIDENTS WAS THE FACT THAT THIS IS, UH, BECAUSE YOU HAD THAT STREAM THAT WAS SOGGY PIECE OF PROPERTY. UH, SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS DESIGN, WHEN YOU PUT IN THIS ALTERNATE DESIGN, WHAT WILL, WHAT IS A PREDICTED CONDITION OF THIS, OF THAT, UH, IN TERMS OF WATER ON THAT PROPERTY? SO, YOU KNOW, AND THIS QUESTION SORT OF CAME UP IN THE WORKSHOP, I BELIEVE AS WELL, UM, IN ONE WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. UM, WE HAVE NOT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE RESIDENTS WALK THE PROPERTY OR NOT. UM, I I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY DON'T JUST BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THEIR PROPERTY, BUT IT, IT MAY HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF BEING SOGGY, MAYBE JUST BECAUSE IT HAS THAT SORT OF DRAINAGE SWALE THAT, THAT RUNS THROUGH THE CENTER OF IT. UM, ALL THE TESTING THAT WE'VE DONE, INCLUDING THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TESTING AND THE TESTING FOR STORMWATER HA HAS NOT INDICATED THAT, THAT THERE'S ANY RELATIVELY HIGH OR, OR EVEN, UM, GROUNDWATER TABLE AT ALL THAT WE'VE ENCOUNTERED, UH, IN ANY OF OUR TESTING. I MEAN, WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO SEVEN FOOT TEST HOLES FOR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. WE DIDN'T REQUI, WE DIDN'T ENCOUNTER ANY GROUNDWATER IN THOSE TEST HOLES. UM, THE, THE PERCOLATION TESTS WERE, WE'RE FAIRLY MODERATE. I MEAN, THEY WEREN'T, IT WASN'T EXCELLENT SOILS, BUT IT WASN'T, THERE WEREN'T POOR SOILS EITHER. UM, AND IT WAS THE SAME FOR THE STORMWATER TESTING THAT WAS PERFORMED. UH, I JUST RECENTLY WALKED THE LOT AGAIN, UM, AND WAS ABLE TO WALK THROUGH THE SLE OR STREAM AREA, UH, WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, TRACKING ANY MUD ON MY BOOTS OR SINKING IN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO I REALLY HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED THE, THIS PROPERTY BEING WET AND SOGGY ALL THE TIME. UM, YEAH. BUT US IS NOT A CONCERN. OKAY. I CAN UNDERSTAND IF THIS IS, IT'S NOT A, UH, IT SEEMED TO BE A DRAINAGE DITCH AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND. SO IT'S NOT A STEADY STREAM GOING DOWN. BUT IN, I WOULD ASSUME, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, DURING HEAVY RAINS, LIKE THE FEW THAT WE HAD A FEW WEEKS AGO, YOU WOULD GET SOME WATER RUNNING TO THE PROPERTY YES. DURING HEAVY RAIN. WITH THAT ASSUMPTION, WITH THAT ASSUMPTION, WOULD WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING, WOULD THAT TAKE CARE OF THAT, PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING? THAT'S MY QUESTION. YES. YES, IT DOES. AND, AND, AND THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE DRAINAGE ANALYSIS THAT ENGINEERING WANTED US TO PROVIDE OKAY. WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT DURING SPECIFIED EVENTS, THAT OUR PIPING SYSTEM WOULD CAPTURE AND HANDLE ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE WATER THAT WOULD PREVIOUSLY BE ROUTED THROUGH THE LOT. UM, AND IT ALSO WAS A REQUIREMENT TO SHOW THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY INCREASE OF FLOW AT THE OUTLET POINT HERE, UM, WHICH, WHICH WE WERE ABLE TO SHOW IN, IN THAT ANALYSIS. OKAY. UH, DO ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I INVITE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK? UH, WALTER, I HAVE ONE. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. CORRECT. YEAH. UH, LOOKING AT THE, LOOKING AT THE DRIVEWAY PLAN, DO YOU, UH, DO YOU PROPOSE ANY, UH, UM, UH, ANY SORT OF A TRANS DRAIN TO [01:15:01] CAPTURE THE WATER FROM THE DRIVEWAY SO IT DOES NOT GO ONTO THE STREET THE WAY RIGHT NOW IS SHOWING A PITCH GOING TO THE SIDEWAYS, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME SORT OF A, UH, DRAIN COLLECTION ALONG THE DRIVEWAY OR, UM, WE, WE, WE, YEAH, WE, WE CERTAINLY COULD. UM, I MEAN, HONESTLY, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD HAVE SOME SORT OF TRENCH DRAIN AT THE EDGE OF THE DRIVEWAY SORT OF ALONG THE ROAD. YOU KNOW, THE ONLY ISSUE IS WHERE DO WE OUTLET THAT DRAIN? SO POTENTIALLY WE COULD PROVIDE A TRENCH TRAIN HERE AND OUTLET IT INTO OUR SYSTEM. WE WOULD JUST NEED TO GET PERMISSION, YOU KNOW, FROM THE TOWN TO BE ABLE TO, TO DO THAT IN THE ROADWAY. RIGHT. SO LET ME, LET ME SPEAK TO THAT QUICKLY. UM, THE LIKELIHOOD OF GETTING THAT, UH, WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY IS, IS NOT SOMETHING THAT, UH, I'M USED TO SEEING. SO IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE YOU HAVE THINGS PITCHED TOWARD THE DRIVEWAY PITCHED TOWARDS THE SOUTH END. YEAH. UM, MAYBE IF YOU COULD PITCH IT SORT OF INTO ITSELF AND THEN THERE'D BE A DRAIN ON THE PROPERTY OR WITHIN THE DRIVEWAY THAT'S ON THE SUB ON THE LOT. UM, YEAH, I COULD, WE COULD ABSOLUTELY DO THAT OR OFF OR ALONG THE SOUTH EDGE OF THE DRIVEWAY TO PICK UP SOME OF THAT WATER AND THEN TIE IT IN A PIPE INTO YOUR SYSTEM DOWN INTO THE REAR YARD. I THINK THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. BUT THE RIGHT OF WAY WOULD, IN MY OPINION, BE UNLIKELY. SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. YOU, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP. WHAT ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF, UH, USING PERVIOUS PAVERS? YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY AT THE END, END OF THE DRIVEWAY, CORRECT? I THAT'S YOUR IDEA. YOU CAN SPEAK TO IT. YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT. YOU, YOU, THAT WAS MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION, . OKAY. OKAY. SO HERE, SO WE HAVE TWO, TWO THINGS THAT WE WISH YOU TO LOOK AT TOWARDS PAVERS AND, UH, AND, UH, UM, AND, UH, CAPTURING THE WATER OFF OF THE DRIVEWAY. OKAY. LET ME, UM, LET ME ASK A QUESTION. IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO PROPOSE A FOREST PAVER OR PERVIOUS ASPHALT, UH, DRIVEWAY OR, OR SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF IT ANYWAY, UM, WOULD THAT BE ENOUGH TO, YOU KNOW, SATISFY THE WATER RUN PROBLEM AND THEN NOT ALSO ASK THEM TO PUT IN A DRAIN THAT TIES INTO THE EXISTING SYSTEM? OR DO YOU WANT TO SEE SOME SORT OF COMBINATION OF BOTH? I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR FOR THE APPLICANT'S, UH, BENEFIT, I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE ANALYSIS THAT THEY PROVIDE. AND OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS TO UP TO THE ENGINEER. YEP. I AGREE. YEAH, LEAVE IT UP TO THE ENGINEER. THE, THE, OUR, WE WANT TO MINIMIZE OR ELIMINATE WA WELL ELIMINATE WATER RUNNING OFF THE DRIVEWAY AND LET THE ENGINEERS FIGURE OUT WHETHER IT'S POR FOREST, FS, THE PIPING OR CO OR SOME SORT OF COMBINATION. VERY GOOD. OKAY. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, I'D LIKE TO INVITE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK. YES, WE DO HAVE MR. BOWDEN THAT WISHES TO SPEAK. EXCUSE ME. I HELLO, MR. DEMIRO? YES. UM, DO YOU WANT I CAN'T GET SCOTT ON THE PHONE. I CAN'T GET HIM CONNECTED, BUT JEREMY'S PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND I THINK MAYBE THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT. OKAY. I THINK WE COULD GO THROUGH THAT VERY QUICKLY AND I CAN ASSIST AS WELL. YEAH, I WILL LET, YES, SIR, BRING THIS UP. IF I COULD JUST QUICKLY MENTION AS, UH, REGARDING THE DRAINAGE FROM THE DRIVEWAY. UM, THE, THE WAY THAT IT'S PITCHED, IT IS GOOD. THE MAJORITY OF THAT WILL END UP IN THIS SWALE AND, AND ACTUALLY ALL OF IT WILL END UP IN THE EXISTING SWALE AND BY DEFAULT END UP IN OUR DRAINAGE PIPING SYSTEM THAT, THAT HAS BEEN MODELED THROUGH THAT DRAINAGE ANALYSIS THAT WE PROVIDED WITH ENGINEERING AND, AND DOES SHOW THAT THERE'S NOT AN INCREASE BECAUSE OF THE OFFSET OF ALL THE, UM, CALTECH SYSTEM AND THE INFILTRATION THAT WE'RE PROVIDING FOR THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE. SO ALTHOUGH IT DOES PRESENT ITSELF AS, AS MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF RUNOFF COMING OFF THE DRIVEWAY FOR THE PROPERTY AS A WHOLE, IT ACTUALLY SHOWS AS A NET DECREASE AS FAR AS DRAINAGE RUNOFF FROM THE LOT. LET ME, LET ME ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION. WELL, LET ME JUST SPEAK TO THAT ISSUE. BE FOR YES, W YOU CAN HAVE A, A NET THAT THE AMOUNT OF WATER RUNNING OFF NOW IS NO MORE THAN IT'S RUNNING OFF BEFORE. THAT COULD BE TRUE, BUT THE AMOUNT OF WATER RUNNING OFF COULD BE CHANNELED TO ONE SPOT. SO YOU HAVE A GUSH OF WATER [01:20:01] COMING. SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE ISSUE HERE WITH THE, WITH THE DRIVE, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU STILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DRIVEWAY AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER SMALL AMOUNT IS COMING OFF, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NO MORE IN TAKEN AS A WHOLE, YOU STILL HAVE A SPOT WHERE YOU HAVE, WHERE RUNNING OFF THE PROPERTY. THAT'S THE ONLY POINT I WANTED TO MAKE. GO AHEAD. UNDERSTOOD. I I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT PERHAPS, AND WE CAN WORK TOGETHER ON THIS, BUT IF, IF THERE'S A BLOW UP OF THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, IT MAY VERY WELL SHOW THAT DUE TO THE WAY YOU HAVE THE CONTOURS LAID OUT, THAT THE WATER THAT IS PITCHED IS DESIGNED TO FLOW TOWARDS THAT DRAINAGE INLET. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, BUT I THINK WE CAN ROLL THAT UP FOR THE BOARD. OKAY. YEAH. DEMONSTRATE IT MORE CLEARLY SO THAT IT'S, YEAH, SO IT'S GOING INTO A DRAIN. IT MIGHT NOT BE A DRAIN RIGHT ALONG THE EDGE OF THE DRIVEWAY, BUT THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT THE CONTOURS, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S PITCHED RIGHT TOWARDS THAT DRAIN INLET. IT IS. OKAY. YEAH. IT IS PITCHED TOWARDS THIS DRAIN, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE, UM, THE START OF OUR, OF OUR PIPING SYSTEM. 'CAUSE IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE FURTHEST MOST POINT ON THIS SWELL THAT WE HAVE ON THE PROPERTY. OKAY. SO IT IS, IT IS PITCHED DOWN INTO THIS DIRECTION AND WOULD HIT THIS POINT NOW, I MEAN, WE, WE COULD, OF COURSE, IN THE STORMWATER MODELING, AS YOU MENTIONED, WALTER, IT DOES MODEL THE PROPERTY AS A WHOLE. UM, AND THERE ARE PADS THAT THE DRAINAGE FOLLOWS THAT WE HAVE TO ALSO FOLLOW IN THE PROPERTY, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THINGS LIKE EROSION AND RENTALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S A CONCERN. WE, WE COULD OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, INTEGRATE SOME KIND OF DRAIN THAT'S UP HERE TO CAPTURE THAT WATER AND CONVEY IT DIRECTLY INTO THE PIPING INSTEAD OF OVER THE SURFACE. UM, YOU, YOU DO GET A LITTLE MORE TREATMENT FOR THE STORMWATER OVER THE SURFACE. AND THEN AS FAR AS PERVIOUS PAVERS OR BLOCKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE MAYBE AT THE BEHEST OF THE OWNER OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, ENGAGE IN THAT KIND OF INCREASED COST FOR THOSE SYSTEMS. I KNOW THE PREVIOUS PAVEMENT CAN BE, CAN BE QUITE EXPENSIVE. UM, THE PAVERS ON THE OTHER HAND ARE OBVIOUSLY MORE EXPENSIVE TOO, BUT THEY OFFER A, A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A, OF, OF A DETAIL. UH, BUT I CAN REVIEW THAT WITH THEM AND SEE WHAT THEY NEED. OKAY. GOOD. I THINK YOU HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WAS RAISED BY THE BOARD. SO, UM, SO AS YOU COME BACK, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER THAT IN ADDITION, LET'S OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC AND SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY, UH, UH, CONCERNS THAT, UH, THAT MIGHT AFFECT, UH, THE, THE DESIGN OF THE, OF THE PROJECT. UH, AARON, I WAS JUST GONNA MENTION THAT WE, WE STILL HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT THE, AT THE, AT THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, WHICH I THINK WE SHOULD GO OVER. VERY. OKAY, GO AHEAD. BUT THAT'S THIS'S, UH, I'LL PULL UP THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. I DON'T RUN OUTTA TIME ON YOU. WE STILL GOT TWO MORE PRODUCT. UH, OKAY. UM, IS EVERYBODY ABLE TO SEE THE PLAN, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN, RIGHT YET? NO, WE CAN'T SEE IT. NO. OH, HOLD ON. I'M STILL SHARING, I'M SHARING THE WRONG, THERE WE GO. THERE YOU GO. AH, OKAY. OKAY. SO, UM, I WILL RUN THROUGH THIS AS AS DETAILED AS I CAN. UM, NOT BEING A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, UM, THERE IS ON THE EXISTING LOT RIGHT NOW, UM, SORT OF AN OVERGROWN, UH, DISCOMBOBULATED TREE SITUATION IS, IS THE BEST THAT I COULD DESCRIBE IT. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF OVERGROUND BUSHES AND, AND LARGER TREES, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TAKE HOLD OF THE PROPERTY OVER TIME. UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE TREES THAT ARE EXISTING NOW WILL, WILL NEED TO COME DOWN JUST BECAUSE THE NATURE OF WHAT IS GOING ON HERE IS, IS DISTURBANCE ALMOST OVER THE ENTIRETY OF THE LOT JUST 'CAUSE IT IS, UH, RELATIVE TO, TO THE SIZE OF THE LAND. UM, ALL THE TREES WITHIN THE AREA OF THE HOUSE WILL, WILL BE REMOVED WITHIN THE AREA OF THE POOL, UM, THE DRIVEWAY AND THE SEPTIC SYSTEM AS WELL. UM, WE HAVE TREES WITHIN THE FRONT THAT ARE GOING TO REMAIN AND SOME TREES HERE THAT ARE, UH, SHOWN TO BE PROTECTED AND REMAINED ON THE SIDE AND WHATEVER ONES THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SAVE ALSO IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. UM, IN LIEU OF REMOVING THOSE TREES, UH, THEY HAVE PROVIDED A, A PLAN IN WHICH THEY WORKED, UM, PRETTY DETAILED WITH YOUR STAFF, UH, TO PROVIDE PLANTING THINGS ALONG THE REAR AND SIDES OF THE PROPERTY TO, UH, ENHANCE THE SCREENING, UM, AS WELL AS, AS SOME IN THE FRONT. [01:25:01] THAT IS, THAT IS KIND OF MY LIMITED KNOWLEDGE OF THE PLANTING PLAN. I DON'T KNOW IF AARON COULD ADD SOME MORE DETAILED TO THAT WOULD BE GREAT. UM, I, I, I I THINK THAT WAS PRETTY SUFFICIENT, PRETTY THOROUGH. I WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S A HEALTHY MIXTURE OF EVERGREENS AND DECIDUOUS TREES. UH, THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD IS THAT, UH, IN THE FRONT YARD AT THE REQUEST OF THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL, THERE'S A RECTANGULAR PLANTED AREA THAT'S GONNA BE DESIGNATED AS A SORT OF A POLLINATOR GARDEN. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S COME UP AT THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL LEVEL. AND I KNOW THAT, UH, THE BLOOMBERG NATURE CENTER HAS DONE, UM, SOME SAMPLE PLOTS FOR POLLINATOR GARDENS, AND THE APPLICANT WAS AGREEABLE TO THE IDEA, THEY EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN IT AND THE FACT THAT THEY LIKE TREES, VEGETATION, AND OTHER FLOWERING PLANTS. AND WE WERE HAPPY TO SEE THAT THEY INCORPORATED IT INTO THEIR DESIGN. THAT'S ALL I WANTED ADD. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, LET'S TURN IT UP TO THE, ARE YOU COMPLETED? YES. IS THAT COMPLETE? OKAY. UM, CONSIDERING GLOBAL WARMING, UH, FUEL OIL CAN'T BE USED TO HEAT THE HOUSE AND CONSIDERING CON EDISON AS A MORATORIUM ON NEW INSTALLATIONS, YOU CAN'T USE GAS FROM CON EDISON. THAT LEAVES PROPANE AS THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN HEAT THE HOUSE. SO COULD YOU PLEASE INDICATE TO ME WHERE THE PROPANE TANK WILL BE INSTALLED AND HOW IT WILL BE SHIELDED FROM THE ROAD, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. AND, UM, THIS IS, UH, WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED FROM HERE ON GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU. OKAY. COULD WE GET ALL THE QUESTIONS FROM ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND THEN HAVE THE APPLICANT RESPOND TO EACH OF THEM? OKAY. OKAY. SO I ASKED THE, THE TAKE NOTE OF THE QUESTION BECAUSE, UH, UH, WHEN, UH, WHO YOU, WE REQUESTED TO ANSWER NOT ONLY MR. BODEN'S QUESTIONS FROM, BUT FROM ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. OKAY. WHO'S THAT? NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. I BELIEVE WE HAVE SAL AT THAT MAY WISH TO SPEAK. MR. AT, ARE YOU WITH US? I CAN SEE MR. AT, ON AND IN FACT, UM, HIS MIC IS NOT MUTED, BUT I, I CANNOT HEAR HIM. UM, THERE WAS ONE OTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN, IN SIGNING ON, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S MR. ORR. DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK THIS EVENING? MR. ORR? YOUR MIC'S MUTED. YOU JUST WANT TO HIT THE UNMUTE BUTTON. THERE YOU GO. THERE WE GO. UH, YEAH, MY NAME IS JOHN ORR. UH, MY WIFE CHRIS AND I LIVE AT SIX . WE ARE ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, MAINLY TO THE NORTH OF THE, OF, OF THE DEMARIO PROPERTY. WE WELCOME MR. AND MR. DEMARIO AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT OF THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE HELPS US SOLVE REAL PROBLEM WITH THE VACATED POOL THAT'S BEEN IN THERE FOR OUR DURING TIME. WE'VE LIVED, PURCHASED OUR HOME AT SIX . UH, WE'VE ANSWERED MOST OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD. WE'VE SUBMITTED TO YOU, AARON EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON. UM, I THINK THEY'VE ALL BEEN REALLY ADDRESSED. OUR PRIMARY CONCERN AT THIS POINT WOULD BE THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF THE TREES. THE LANDSCAPE PLAN SUGGESTS WE PLANTED IT ON THE NORTHERN SHARED PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THE DEMARIO PROPERTY AND OUR RESIDENTS. UM, SOME OF THOSE TREES, IF YOU LOOK INTO THE FUTURE, ARE SCHEDULED TO BE 50 TO 60 FEET HIGH. SOME HAVE A DRIFT LINE IN EXCESS OF 20, 40 FEET. UM, TO PUT TREES THAT SIZE, THAT CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE WILL CERTAINLY LEAD TO, I THINK, AN INVASIVE CONDITION ON ACROSS THE PROPERTY LINE. WE WOULD ASK FOR SOME CONSIDERATION FOR THE TYPE, THE TYPE OF THE SIZE OF TREES THAT ARE BEING SPECIFIED. UM, THE OTHER QUESTION WE HAVE RELATES TO A GAS LINE THAT RAN FROM OUR RESIDENCE TO THE POOL THAT BUILT BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER, AND THAT GAS LINE NEEDS TO BE INTERCEPTED AND TAPPED. AND THEN FINALLY, WE HAVE CONCERNS FOR THE LARGE TULIP TREE ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE DEMARIO NORTHWEST. YEAH, NORTH, NORTH, THAT'S A TULIP TREE THAT'S PROBABLY, I THINK, 30 INCHES IN, IN, IN CALIPER. IT'S LOCATED ON THE SITE PLAN JUST BEYOND THE END OF THE, THE TREES ARE ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY. IT'S REALLY LEANING TOWARD IN THE NORTHERNLY DIRECTION. WE THINK IT'S A HAZARD BOTH TO THE MARIO PROPERTY AS WELL AS OUR OWN. AND THEN THERE'S, WE HAVE SOME SHARED INTEREST WITH RESPECT TO THE PROP TREES ON THE SOUTHERN BORDER OF THE PROPERTY LINE. THEY'RE ALSO TO TREES THAT ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE A HAZARD AND NEED TO BE CONSIDERED, PROBABLY NEED TO BE REMOVED. UH, WE WOULD [01:30:01] HOPE THAT ALL THOSE CONDITIONS COULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE PLANNING PROCESS. UM, FINALLY AGAIN, WE WANNA WELCOME THE DEMAS INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEIR, THEIR, THEIR DEVELOPMENT IS SOMETHING WE LOOK FORWARD TO. AND, UM, ALRIGHT, ONE MORE QUESTION. THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION ON THE SITE PLAN SUGGESTS THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION 3 27. UM, I DON'T, WE HAVE NOT BEEN PROVIDED ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THE OVERALL BUILDING HEIGHT. UH, PERHAPS SOMEONE IN THE, PERHAPS MR. NOVATO COULD SPEAK TO THAT ISSUE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. UM, BUT AGAIN, UM, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO NEW NEIGHBORS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, IS ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FROM THE PUBLIC? IF NOT, I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT TO, UH, RESPOND TO MR. BODEN'S QUESTION AND THIS OTHER QUESTION SAID, UH, MR. OR HAD, UH, YEAH, MY, AND BEFORE YOU DO THANK YOU CHAIRPERSON SIMON. I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, UM, WITH RESPECT TO MR. AT TINA, UH, EVEN IF THE BOARD WERE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING, IT WOULD LEAVE THE WRITTEN RECORD PERIOD OPEN TYPICALLY FOR A ONE WEEK PERIOD. THE BOARD WOULD ANNOUNCE THAT AT THE TIME THAT ISSUES THE VOTE, YOU WOULD BE PERMITTED TO SUBMIT WRITTEN COMMENTS. IF YOU'RE HAVING ANY TROUBLE THIS EVENING, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE ZOOM, YOU CAN SUBMIT WRITTEN COMMENTS INTO ME, WHICH I WILL FORWARD ALONG TO THE BOARD MEMBERS AS WELL AS TO THE APPLICANT. AND THOSE COMMENTS WOULD BE, BECOME PART OF THE RECORD AND BE CONSIDERED BY BOOK. AARON, I NOTICED THAT WHILE YOU WERE SPEAKING, HE MUTED AND THEN UNMUTED. UM, YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST ASK MR. T ARE YOU THERE? UH, AND DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? OKAY. UM, SO I GUESS WHAT AARON SAID IS, YEAH, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING WE CAN PUT THAT IN, IN THE, UM, BY, BY, UH, SENDING CORRESPONDENCE IN, UH, IN THE, THE NEXT WEEK OR SO. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WE TURN, TURN IT BACK OVER TO MR. RENADO FOR RESPONSE. SURE. UM, SO FIRST TO, JUST TO RESPOND TO, UH, MURRAY BODEN. UM, THAT ACTUALLY IS, UH, AN INTERESTING QUESTION 'CAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT WE HAVE NOT INTEGRATED INTO THE SITE PLAN. UM, I THINK I WOULD NEED TO SPEAK WITH THE OWNERS AND SEE WHAT THEIR INTENT IS AS FAR AS HEATING. UM, I, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT FUEL IS, IS NOT AN OPTION. UM, AS FAR AS, I MEAN, IT MIGHT BE NOT AN OPTION AS FAR AS A FINANCIALLY OR TENABLE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S, THAT THAT'S NOT AN OPTION, UH, UM, AT ALL. UM, AND I WAS NOT AWARE OF THE MORATORIUM ON GAS. UM, IF IT IS PROPANE, I I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THEY WOULD BE BURIED TANKS BECAUSE THAT'S TYPICALLY THE WAY THAT IT'S DONE IN FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. UM, WE DO HAVE AREAS WITHIN THE, THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, UM, BETWEEN THE POOL AND THE STORMWATER, OR EVEN ON THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. I THINK THAT WOULD WORK FOR THAT. UH, BUT I WOULD REALLY NEED TO SPEAK OVER WITH THE OWNERS AND SEE WHAT THEIR INTENT IS, AND THEN WE CAN DEFINITELY PROVIDE THAT ON THE SITE PLAN IF IT IS TO BE PROPANE EXACTLY WHERE THAT LOCATION'S GONNA BE. THAT I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE AT ALL. UM, OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, COULD ALSO AND WOULD BE, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE MR. BODEN'S, UM, HAPPY THAT WITH THE RESPONSE YOU'D AGREE, UH, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IRONED OUT WITH OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT AS WELL. YES. UM, AND THEN FOR, FOR JONATHAN, OR, UM, AS FAR AS THE GAS LINE TO THE POOL, UM, EQUIPMENT, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE JUST ENTIRELY UNAWARE OF, SO I CAN FOR SURE PUT, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF NOTATION ON THE PLAN, UM, FOR A PROCESS FOR THAT TO BE, YOU KNOW, REMEDIATED AND CAPPED. UM, I I ALSO THINK THAT YOU WOULD VERY LIKELY BE WITHIN YOUR RIGHT AS YOU KNOW, TO, TO HAVE IT CAPPED AT YOUR PROPERTY LINE AS WELL. UM, IT, IT BEING THAT YOU'RE NOT THE OWNER OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE COULDN'T WORK, YOU KNOW, AND, AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS AT SOME POINT, UM, DURING THE DEVELOPMENT FOR SURE. UH, BUILDING HEIGHT, I CAN GET YOU FROM THE ARCHITECT. THAT'S, THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. JUST SO LONG AS THE OWNERS WANNA SHARE THE PLANS, I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM. UM, AND AS FAR AS THE TREE REMOVAL, UM, I MEAN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, THE OWNER AND SCOTT HAD BEEN WORKING WITH, YOU KNOW, UM, THE, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UH, WITH AARON, WITH, WITH MATT BRIGHTON IN YOUR OFFICE AND, AND ALSO, UM, WITH THE ARBORIST, THAT PRETTY EXTENSIVELY. I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY SEE, I MEAN, I DON'T REALLY THINK TULIP ARE, ARE VALUABLE TREE IN MY OPINION. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S CORRECT OR NOT. UM, BUT IF, IF THERE ARE ONES THAT ARE CONCERNS, UM, AND I THINK AS LONG AS THE OWNERS WOULD BE AMENABLE TO IT, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY YOU, YOU COULDN'T [01:35:01] KIND OF BE ALL INTEGRATED INTO THAT FUTURE PLANTING PLAN. UH, ESPECIALLY BEING THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW, AND SOME OF THOSE TREES ARE GONNA BE YOURS AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT AT ALL, JOHN AND SYLVIA? UM, IF, UH, YES, GO AHEAD. UM, YES. UM, WHATEVER TREES THAT WE PUT IN, I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT AND GET ALONG WITH, YOU KNOW, MY NEIGHBOR AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT ARE WE GONNA, WE NEED TO DO? YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT 40 FOOT TREES ON THAT SIDE EITHER IN BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES. I MEAN, WE DIDN'T REALLY PUT, I DON'T THINK, I MEAN, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PLAN AGAIN, BUT I DON'T THINK WE PUT ANY LARGE TREES ON THAT SIDE. UH, IT'S ONLY, UH, BUSHES YOU WOULD KNOW BETTER. AARON, YOU LOOKED AT IT , . I'M HAPPY TO, I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK UP ON IT A BIT. UM, FIRST OFF, WITH RESPECT TO TREE, EXISTING TREES, UM, AND LANDSCAPING, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET OUT INTO THE FIELD, LET'S JUST SAY THERE'S A TREE REMOVAL PLAN, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE ONE ON FILE AND THE APPLICANT MOVES FORWARD TO THE PROCESS OF REMOVING TREES. AND IF IT'S IDENTIFIED AT THAT POINT THAT THERE IS AN EXISTING TREE THAT WASN'T FOR WHATEVER REASON, CONTEMPLATED BUT'S FOUND TO BE IN A HAZARDOUS CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT AND THE TOWN CAN, CAN AND HAVE AND WOULD WORK TOGETHER IN ORDER TO ELIMINATE ANY POTENTIAL HAZARD IN THAT REGARD. SO THAT, THAT OFTEN HAPPENS ON SITES. UM, WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S A TREE THAT WASN'T PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED. IT TURNS OUT THAT THERE IS THE HAZARD POTENTIAL EITHER DUE TO ITS CONDITION, ITS STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OR THE SITE DISTURBANCE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE HANDLED AMONGST STAFF AND THE APPLICANT. AND WITH RESPECT TO LANDSCAPING, I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, A MAJORITY OF WHAT'S PROPOSED IN THE BACK ARE, ARE EVERGREEN THAT ARE FOR SCREENING PURPOSES. UM, SOME OF THEM IF LEFT TO GROW TO THEIR MAXIMUM HEIGHT TO REACH, YOU KNOW, 40, 30, 40 EVEN MORE, UH, FEET AND HEIGHT. THE ONE GOOD THING ABOUT THEM AND, AND MR. AND MRS. TOMORROW, JUST SO YOU KNOW, AND, AND SO MR. OROS AS WELL, THE GOOD THING ABOUT THEM IS THAT THOSE PARTICULAR SPECIES CAN BE SORT OF SHAPED AND, AND TRIMED THROUGH, UH, THE DESIRED TYPE THAT YOU WISH. SO LELAND, CYPRESS, GREEN, GIANT ARVID, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. IF YOU ONLY WANT THEM TO TOP OUT AT 15 FEET, UM, YOU CAN, IT, YOU DON'T NEED AN ARBORIST TO COME IN AND PRUNE VERY LARGE LIMBS THAT ARE VERY EXPENSIVE. UM, COST IS IN THE FIELD AT THE TIME THE LIGHT LANDSCAPING'S BEING SET, UM, BEFORE IT'S PLANTED. WE CAN LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE DISTANCE, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, CAN THINGS BE SHIFTED IN A LITTLE BIT? AND IF YOU HAVE A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH MR. ORR, HE CAN CERTAINLY BE A PART OF THAT AS WELL, IF YOU'D LIKE. SO THOSE ARE THINGS WE COORDINATE IN THE FIELD. A LOT OF TIMES I THINK THE ORS AND THE DEMARIO WILL GET ALONG JUST FINE. AND THAT KIND OF WORKING COOPERATIVE NEIGHBOR TO NEIGHBOR RELATIONSHIP IS, IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. WE APPLAUD THE DEMARIO INTEREST IN HAVING A SCREEN THERE. WE, WE THINK A GREAT IDEA. WE JUST LIKE TO NOT GET SOMETHING LIKE 60 OR 70 FEET TALL. NO, DEFINITELY NOR NOR NOR DOES JOHN WANT THAT EITHER. SO I DON'T WANNA BE IN THE DARK AND I DON'T WANT YOU IN THE DARK EITHER. , AND, AND, AND I, I, I LIKE TO COMMEND BOTH OF YOU BECAUSE A LOT OF THINGS THAT COME BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD, A LOT OF IT COULD BE SOLVED JUST BY NEIGHBORS TALKING AND IT BECOMES ABSOLUTELY A NON-ISSUE. SO THE FACT THAT THE TWO OF YOU ARE TALKING AND ABLE TO RESOLVE SOME OF, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S GREAT AND, UH, IT'S COMMENDABLE AND I WISH MORE NEIGHBORS WOULD DO THAT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. ASSIGNMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JOHN AND SYLVIA, WE LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING YOU SOON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. US TOO. THANK YOU. YES. OKAY. UM, I MAKE A, UH, WHAT'S THE DATE? WE'LL KEEP THE PUBLIC RECORD OPEN, AARON, TO DO THAT WOULD BE, UH, TO WEDNESDAY THE 24TH. NOVEMBER 24TH. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE, UH, UH, THIS HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN TO NOVEMBER 24TH. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. UH, MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SECTION OF THIS MEETING. GO BACK TO WORK SESSION. SO MOVED. SO MOVED. UH, SECOND, SECOND. ALL, ALL THOSE IN [01:40:01] FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. OKAY. SO I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, JUST TO REMIND, UM, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, INCLUDING MR. AT, IF YOU CAN HEAR US, YOU'RE FREE TO CALL ME TOMORROW TO FOLLOW UP. BUT IF YOU DO WISH TO SUBMIT ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS IN WRITING YOU HAVE THROUGH WEDNESDAY THE 24TH. THANK YOU EVERYONE, AND HAVE A GREAT EVENING. WELCOME. THANK YOU, BARBARA. THANK YOU, BARBARA. ENJOY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU EVERYONE. HAPPY THANKSGIVING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BYE-BYE. GOODNIGHT. OKAY. WE HAVE TWO CASES THAT WE ARE GOING BACK INTO WORK SESSION ON THE NEW BUSINESS. THE FIRST IS CASE P B 21 DASH 13, UH, PERMISSION. YES. DON'T EVERYONE DON'T WE HAVE THREE? YEAH, WE HAVE THREE. YEAH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE THREE MORE CASES. UM, I, I BELIEVE THE NEXT TWO WILL BE, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT SHORT, BUT, AND WE CERTAINLY WANNA, YOU KNOW, HAVE TIME FOR OUR LAST, OUR LAST ONE ON THE AGENDA, WHICH, WHICH MAY TAKE A LITTLE MORE TIME. UM, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 13 DOGRA PROJECT LOCATED AT ONE MAPLE RIDGE COURT, PO SCARSDALE IN THE R 21 FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT SEEKS A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED RECONSTRUCTION OF AN EXISTING PATIO IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW IN-GROUND POOL. THE PROJECT INVOLVES REGULATED STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE, TRIGGERING THE NEED FOR A PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD. THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD, TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT'S TEAM. MR. CHE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. SCHMIDT. WE'VE ENABLED THE SHARE SCREEN, UH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PUT THE PLANS UP, OTHERWISE I HAVE THEM AVAILABLE. OKAY. YEAH, I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN. GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS CHRIS CHE. I AM, YOU KNOW WHAT? I THOUGHT I HAD IT UP. I AM THE CIVIL DESIGN ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT. UH, I SHOULD BE JOINED WITH BY, UM, BRUCE ECKERSON FROM ECKERSON DESIGN, WHO ACTUALLY PREPARED THE POOL PATIO DESIGNS. UM, AS MR. SCHMIDT SAID, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A STEEP SLOPES PERMIT, UH, AT THE PROPERTY OF ONE MAPLE RIDGE COURT. UM, THE PROPERTY IS A 30,000 SQUARE FOOT PARCEL IN THE R 20 ZONE. UM, SORRY. REGARDING THE STEEP SLOPES, UH, WE ARE DISTURBING 2094 SQUARE FEET OF THE CATEGORY OF BETWEEN 15 AND 25%. UH, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY DISTURBANCES ABOVE 25%. THE MAJORITY OF THE 2094 SQUARE FEET ARE ACTUALLY THE AXIS. IN FACT, LEMME JUST, LEMME SWITCH TO THE, SORRY, TRYING TO GET TO THE NEXT PAGE. OKAY. SO THIS IS THE STEEP SLOPES PLAN. UH, THE ZERO TO 15 SQUARE, UH, PERCENT SLOPES ARE DESIGNATED BY THE OCTAGONS. UH, THE 15 TO 25% SLOPES HAVE NO HATCHING, AND THEN THE 25 TO 35% HAVE THE CROSSES. AS I SAID THAT THERE, THERE IS NO DISTURBANCE IN THE 25 TO 35% SLOPES. UM, SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IN RED IS THE OUTLINE OF THE NEW POOL PATIO, WHICH IS ACTUALLY AN EXTENSION FROM WHERE I'M RUNNING MY CURSOR RIGHT NOW, OF THE EXISTING PATIO TERRORIST AREA. THERE'S A, THERE'S ACTUALLY A RETAINING WALL RIGHT HERE, AND EFFECTIVELY WE'RE MOVING THIS RETAINING WALL OUT IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. WE'RE MOVING IT OUT ABOUT SEVEN FEET, AND IN THIS CASE, WE'RE MOVING OUT ABOUT APPROXIMATELY 11 FEET. UH, THE SPECIFICS ABOUT LET BRUCE, UH, DISCUSSED, BUT WE HAVE, OF THE 2094 SQUARE FEET, ONLY 600 SQUARE FEET, UM, IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE DISTURBED PERMANENTLY. UH, THE, THE BOW, THE DIFFERENCE, UH, A MAJORITY IS JUST THE ACCESS ONTO THE PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO CONSTRUCT THE, THE NEW PATIO AREA TO CONSTRUCT THE INFILTRATION AREA, UH, THAT WHICH WILL GO JUST BELOW THE PATIO. UM, SO IT'S REALLY THE MAJORITY IS, IS, IS CONSTRUCTION RELATED OVER [01:45:01] TURF AREA. ALL OF THE AREA THAT WE'RE DISTURBING IS LAWN AREA. UM, WE ARE NOT CREATING ANY NEW SLOPES. UH, THE, THE PERIMETER OF THE NEW PATIO WILL BE WALLS. UH, WE, THERE ARE NO ENDANGERED SPECIES ON THE PROPERTY. THERE ARE NO OUTCROPPINGS ON THE PROPERTY. UM, THERE ARE NO RIDGE LINES. THERE ARE NO WETLANDS. WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO REMOVE ANY TREES. UH, WE ARE FULLY MITIGATING THE STORMWATER RUN FOR THE 25 YEAR STORM BY VIRTUE OF THE INFILTRATION PRACTICES THAT WE'RE, UH, INSTALLING, WHICH IS FOUR COAL TECH UNITS. UH, WE HAVE A EXTENSIVE EROSION CONTROL PLAN, WHICH WILL ELIMINATE ANY POSSIBILITIES FOR EROSION DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS. UH, THE INTENT IS TO RESTORE ALL THE AREAS THAT ARE DISTURBED BACK TO THEIR EXISTING CONDITION. UH, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT PROBABLY ALL THE AREAS WERE DISTURBING WERE PREVIOUSLY DISTURBED WHEN THE HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT 'CAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY THAT WE ARE TO THE, UH, TO THE HOME. UM, AND IF BRUCE IS ON BOARD, HE, MAYBE HE CAN SHARE WITH YOU THE DETAILS OF THE, THE POOL AND THE ACTUAL PATIO. UH, SURE. THANKS CHRIS. UH, MY NAME'S BRUCE ACKERSON. I'M PRINCIPAL AT ACKERSON DESIGN ASSOCIATES LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS. AND, UM, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE DORES AND CHRIS TO DEVELOP THE PLANS, UH, FOR YOU TONIGHT. I WILL DO MY SHARE SCREEN AND, UH, CHRIS, I THINK YOU HAVE TO UNSHARE. SORRY. IT'S OKAY. . OKAY. CAN EVERYONE SEE THE PLANS? MM-HMM. . SO MY APOLOGIES. CHRIS'S AND MY PLANS ARE 180 DEGREES, UH, OPPOSITE EACH OTHER. SO HE WAS SHOWING THE, UH, THE RESONANCE MORE TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THE SHEET. I'M SHOWING IT TO THE TOP. UH, THIS IS A RENDERED PLAN. JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR ABOUT, UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN THE BACK. SO, UH, LET'S SEE. WHERE'S MY, HERE I GO. TRYING TO GET MY CURSOR TO WORK. LET'S SEE. CAN YOU SEE MY LITTLE CROSS HAIR HERE THING? YES, WE CAN SEE IT. OKAY. SORRY. SO WE HAVE THE EXISTING RESIDENCE HERE. THERE'S AN EXISTING WOOD DECK, UH, IN THIS LOCATION THAT'S GONNA REMAIN, UH, AS CHRIS HAD MENTIONED, UH, THERE'S AN EXISTING PATIO AND RETAINING WALL. SO VERY FAINT. YOU CAN SEE THE STEPPED EDGE OF THE EXISTING, UH, PATIO. UM, THE RETAINING WALL COMES DOWN AND THROUGH HERE, THERE'S A PLANTING AREA BETWEEN THE EDGE OF THE EXISTING PATIO AND THE WALL. UH, THE WALL BASICALLY COMES RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE POOL HERE, AND THEN, UH, RETURNS UP THIS SIDE, EXCUSE ME, THIS, SORRY. THIS SIDE OF THE, UH, PROPERTY. LEMME SEE IF I CAN ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT ON THAT. THERE WE GO. UH, SO IF YOU CAN SEE IT BETTER NOW, THE, THE RETAIN, THE EXISTING WALL KIND OF RUNS THROUGH THIS DIRECTION AND COMES UP THIS SIDE, UM, OF THE POOL. SO BASICALLY, UH, BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS ON ALL STEEP SLOPES IN THE BACK, UH, THE DOZERS REALLY WANTED TO, TO PUT A POOL IN. SO THE REAL, ONLY, THE, THE ONLY REAL KIND, FEASIBLE LOCATION WAS ON THIS, UH, TERRACE. SO THE PROPOSAL IS A 15 BY 30 POOL WITH AN AUTOMATIC, UH, RETRACTABLE SAFETY COVER AND AN IN AN INFINITY EDGE. SO THE WATER WILL CASCADE OVER THE EDGE OF THE POOL DOWN INTO A TROUGH, WHICH, UH, RECIRCULATES THE WATER THROUGH THE POOL. UH, YOU KNOW, TRY TO CREATE A, A PRETTY TRAUMATIC, UH, KIND OF EFFECT TAKING THE, THE STEEP SLOPES TO OUR ADVANTAGE. UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS SQUARE HERE, IT SAYS SCREEN PORCH. THIS IS A PORTABLE SCREEN PORCH THAT NOW IS LOCATED UP ON THE, UH, ON THE DECK. UH, WE DID DO A, A SITE SECTION THAT RUNS ALONG THIS LINE HERE, LOOKING TO THIS, UH, TO THE RIGHT SIDE. LEMME PULL IT UP. SO HERE YOU CAN SEE, HERE'S THE HOUSE, OUR EXISTING DECK, OUR EXISTING PATIO AND EXPANDED POOL TERRACE, THE POOL, THE, YOU KNOW, THE INFINITY EDGE, OUR LOWER TROUGH, [01:50:01] THE WALL THAT HOLDS THE, THE LOWER TROUGH, UH, ABOVE GRADE AND OUR GRADES. SO HERE'S THE EXISTING, UH, RETAINING WALL. THIS DASH LINE REPRESENTS THE EXISTING GRADE, AND IT REALLY, WE DON'T CHANGE THAT GRADE AT ALL BELOW THE POOL. SO THAT GRADE JUST KEEPS GOING, UH, IN THE MANNER THAT IT DOES TODAY. SO THERE'S REALLY NO CHANGE TO THE SLOPE. THERE'S NO GRADING OTHER THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING BEHIND THE WALLS. UH, WE'RE, LIKE CHRIS HAD MENTIONED, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO TAKE ANY TREES DOWN. UH, WE'RE JUST PROPOSING A MINOR BIT OF, UH, DISTURBANCE, PERMANENT DISTURBANCE IN THE STEEP, UH, THE 15 PER, UH, PERCENT OR GREATER SLOW BARRIER. SO WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE DISTURBANCE AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE IN THE POOL AND THE AREAS AROUND THE POOL AS CLOSE TO THE HOUSE AS POSSIBLE. UM, AND WITH THAT, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS MEMBERS, THE BOARD. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS APPLICATION? ANY CLARIFICATION OR ANYTHING? NO QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD. OKAY. YEAH, I, WALTER, I'LL JUST MINOR QUESTION. SURE. UH, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU DRAIN THE POOL WATER? UH, OR WHAT SORT OF, UH, UH, THAT MEETS THE TOWN CODE? WELL, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THE TOWN CODE. I KNOW TYPICALLY THEY JUST DRAIN ENOUGH WATER TO GET DOWN BELOW THE SKIMMERS SO THEY DON'T DRAIN THE WHOLE POOL. THEY'LL DRAIN THE POOL DOWN ABOUT A FOOT. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT GOES INTO THE, UH, STORMWATER SYSTEM OR IF THAT GOES INTO THE, UH, INTO THE STREET. I DON'T KNOW. CHRIS, DO YOU KNOW THAT ANSWER IN, IN, IN TERMS OF THE CODE? UM, THE ONLY THING THAT, THAT WE HAVE WITH RESPECT TO THE CODE IS THAT WE DO NOT WANT THE WATER DRAINED INTO ANY WETLAND OR WATERCOURSE AREA. OKAY. AND LOOK LIKE YOU HAVE THAT ISSUE ON THIS SITE FURTHER, WE DON'T WANT IT DRAIN TO WHERE IT'S RUNNING OFF ONTO ADJACENT PROPERTIES. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, SO IF THERE'S JUST A, YOU KNOW, A PUMP SYSTEM AND IT FLOWS DOWN THAT SLOPE FOR THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE, THE SCREEN FOR THE PLAN YOU HAVE ON AND GOES TO OFFSITE PROPERTIES, WE WOULDN'T WANT THAT AS WELL. YEAH. THE COLD TECH SYSTEM COULD BE USED FOR THE DRAW DOWN AT THE END OF THE SEASON. OKAY. OKAY. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, UM, CAN I ASK A JUST QUICK QUESTION ON THAT? SO, UH, WOULD YOU NOT, UH, WOULD BE OKAY IF WE HAD THAT AS A CONDITION IN THIS, THAT, UH, UM, CHRIS, THAT, UH, IN FACT RANGE WOULD GO INTO THE CULTEC? I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'D BE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. WILL THE, THE WILL, THE CULTECH, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE GALLON SIZE OF THAT POOL IN GALLONS? AND WOULD, MY QUESTION IS, IF YOU HAD TO DRAIN THE POOL DEPENDING, WOULD THAT, UH, OVERWHELM THE CULTEC SYSTEM? WE COULD DO THE CALCULATION FOR YOU AND PRESENT THAT TO THE STAFF. YEAH, I'D BE INTERESTED IN, AND MY OTHER QUESTION IS THAT IN MY EXPERIENCE, THE FOUR CULTEC, THE FOUR CULT DECKS WOULD, UH, BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE, THE 12 INCH DRAW DOWN ON THIS SIZE POOL. OKAY. BUT I, I CAN'T GIVE YOU THAT SPECIFIC NUMBER. OKAY. BUT FINE, I'D BE INTERESTED IN THAT. MY OTHER QUESTION IN THE, IN THE, IN THE, THE STANDARD TYPE POOLS, THERE IS A DISTANCE BETWEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DRAIN FOR RECIRCULATING THE POOL IN THE TOP OF THE POOL. I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY INCHES, FIVE INCHES, SIX INCHES, WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE. SO IN A HEAVY RAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE, UH, UM, E EVEN IF THE DRAINAGE WITH, TO BE OVERPOWERED, IF THE POOL WILL STILL HAVE TO INCREASE IN HEIGHT, MAYBE ANOTHER FIVE INCHES OR SO BEFORE IT OVERFLOWS INTO THE GROUND. NOW IN AN AFFINITY POOL, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT SPACE. SO IN THE HEAVY RAIN, WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT, UH, THAT WATER? WELL, THERE, THERE ARE TWO THINGS, CHAIRMAN, UH, THAT I CAN OFFER. SO, UM, IN THE COVER BOX WHERE THE RETRACTABLE COVER, UH, RETRACTS, UH, WE BRING UP THE, UH, THE OTHER RENDERING. HERE'S WHERE THE COVER FOR THE POOL RETRACTS. WHEN IT'S NOT, WHEN IT'S WHEN THE POOL IS IN USE IN THAT TROUGH, THERE IS A DRAIN THAT IS, WILL BE TIED INTO THE, UH, CALTECH SYSTEM. GENERALLY IT TAKES JUST A LITTLE BIT OF WATER. UM, SECONDLY, PROBABLY IN A BIG STORM YOU WOULD HAVE THE COVER ON THE POOL SO THE WATER WOULD, YOU KNOW, WOULDN'T GET INTO THE POOL, AND SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE MIX OF THE CARBONATED WATER IN THE FRESH WATER. WELL, AND THE, AND THE STORE DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED, [01:55:01] THE, THE NEW SYSTEM IS DESIGNED SUCH THAT THE AREA, THE ENTIRE POOL AND PATIO, THE NEW PORTIONS ARE ALL IN INCLUDED IN THE CALCULATION. SO IT'S, IT'S ASSUMING THAT THAT POOL IS A PIECE OF FLAT CONCRETE AND ALL THE WATER . OKAY, THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. THE OTHER QUESTION, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER ANSWER THAT, UH, THAT YOU COULD COVER THE POOL, THAT THAT'S FINE, BUT IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE OUT OF TOWN ON VACATION, THAT THAT, THAT WILL NOT SUFFICE. BUT IF IT'S BUILT INTO THE CALCULATION, THEN THAT ANSWER, I'M SATISFIED WITH THAT ANSWER. THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON, UH, IF NOT, THEN IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, THEN UH, WE COULD THEN I, UH, WE, THERE'S CONCERN THIS OVER AND SCHEDULE THIS FOR PUBLIC CARE AND THIS, THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE, FROM MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UM, RIGHT. CHAIRPERSON SIGNED, THAT WOULD BE, WE HAVE, I'M SORRY. WE HAVE AVAILABILITY ON DECEMBER 1ST AND WE HAVE, UH, ENOUGH TIME TO NOTICE, PROPERLY TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE CODE. OKAY. SO PUT ON PUBLIC HEARING. SO WE'LL SCHEDULE FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 1ST. OKAY. SO, MR. ARCH AND MR. ACKERSON, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, UH, THE BOARD SCHEDULED THIS MATTER FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 1ST. LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE GONNA GET US SOME, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, THE CALCULATIONS TO ENSURE THAT THE, UM, CAPACITY IS SUFFICIENT WITHIN THE DRY WELLS. UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE GONNA DRAIN THE 12 INCHES OF, OF WATER AT THE END OF THE SEASON. UM, FURTHER THOUGH, WITH RESPECT TO THE HEARING ITSELF, THE TOWN WILL PROVIDE NOTICE TO THE NEWSPAPER. UM, WE WILL EMAIL YOU A COPY OF THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE THAT NEEDS TO BE MAILED OUT BY US, REGULAR MAIL TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE PROJECT SITE. AND THEN ONCE THAT'S DONE, WHICH WILL NEED TO BE DONE BY THE END OF THE DAY, FRIDAY, WE'LL GET IT TO YOU TOMORROW MIDDAY. UM, SO THERE'S A QUICK TURNAROUND, BUT, UM, WE'LL NEED YOU TO FILL OUT AN AFFIDAVIT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, INDICATES THAT YOU PERFORMED THE MAILING ON SUCH AND SUCH DATE. UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'LL BE A PUBLIC HEARING SIGN THAT NEEDS TO GET POSTED IN THE FRONT YARD OF THE PROPERTY AND A PHOTOGRAPH TAKEN AND EMAILED INTO STAFF. SO WE'LL GET YOU THAT INFORMATION TOMORROW, UH, ALONG WITH ALL THE INSTRUCTIONS THAT I'VE JUST INDICATED. HAVE A GREAT EVENING. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBERS. OKAY, THEN, UH, THE NEXT, UH, CASE, NEW BUSINESS CASE PB 2116. YES. COULD YOU INTRODUCE THAT, PLEASE? YES, ABSOLUTELY. SO AS CHAIRPERSON SIMON INDICATED PB 21 DASH 16 LOCKEN, UH, PROJECT LOCATED AT 29 FAITH LANE, P O ARDSLEY IN A P U D PLANS UNIT DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT, THE APPLICANT SEEKS A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF AN IN-GROUND POOL AND PATIO TO THE REAR OF THE EXISTING RESIDENCE. THE PROJECT INVOLVES REGULATED STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE TRIGGERING, TRIGGERING THE NEED FOR A PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD. THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS. THANK YOU. OKAY. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHRISTOPHER SCHMIDT, I BELIEVE. YES. AND WE HAVE THE SHARED SCREEN FUNCTION AVAILABLE. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. UH, GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS AND, AND CHAIRMAN SIMON, UM, MYSELF AND MR. WAKOWSKI, UM, WHO'S THE ENGINEER OF RECORD WILL BE PRESENTING TONIGHT TO GO OVER THE DETAILS. UH, WHAT I'D LIKE TO START WITH IS JUST THE RENDERINGS TO GIVE YOU A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROJECT IN THE REAR YARD AS IT SITS NOW, UM, WITH THE POOL THAT'S GONNA BE PLACED IN THERE. ARE YOU SEEING, UH, I'M WORK. MY APOLOGIES. WE WERE SEEING A BRIEFLY SEEING A COLOR. YEAH, THERE IT IS. TOP DOWN VIEW. YEAH, THERE WE GO. YEAH, I'M SORRY. YEAH, THE SCREEN CLICKED OFF THERE FOR A SECOND. SO AS WE HAVE HERE, IT'S A 18 BY 45 INGROUND GUN LIGHT POOL WITH A EIGHT FOOT BY EIGHT FOOT, UH, SPA ON THE SIDE HERE, ALL AT THE SAME ELEVATION AND THE ASSOCIATED POOL PATIO GOING AROUND THE OUTSIDE, THE SLOPED AREA, AS [02:00:01] YOU CAN SEE, DROPS OFF DRAMATICALLY TOWARDS THE BACK LOWER CORNER OF THE YARD. UM, OUR LOCATION HERE WILL DO MINIMAL IMPACT ON THE OVERALL GRADING COMING TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE SLOPE. AND OUR ANTICIPATION IS TO BE ABLE TO BUILD SOME RETAINING WALLS, UM, MADE OUT OF BOULDERS TO HELP REDUCE THE SLOPE AND BUILD OURSELF BACK UP TO THE ELEVATION OF THE POOL HERE. THE BACKSIDE OF THE POOL ITSELF WILL BE LEFT AT A GRADE APPROXIMATELY THREE AND A HALF FEET, UM, AND WILL BE FINISHED WITH A STUCCO FINISH, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE FOR ALL THE DISTURBED SLOPE AREAS. UM, FROM THE BOULDER WALLS UP TO THE POOL. WE DO PLAN ON REPLACING EVERYTHING WITH PLANTINGS TO STABILIZE THE SLOPE. AND WE HAVE A FEW MORE VIEWS HERE. UM, TROY WILL BE TAKING OVER JUST TO REVIEW THE, UM, OTHER DETAILS OF THE PROJECT AS WELL AS THE SLOPE ANALYSIS THAT WAS PERFORMED. THANKS, CHRIS. UH, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. I'M TROY TCHAIKOVSKY, THE ENGINEER, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT, I WANNA ALMOST SAY EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE PREVIOUS APPLICANT'S ENGINEER AND KEEP IT SHORT. THIS IS A VERY, VERY SIMILAR PROJECT, UH, AS THE, THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION THAT WAS JUST BEFORE YOU. UM, WE HAVE TOTAL OF ABOUT 8,700 SQUARE SQUARE FOOT OF DISTURBANCE RELATED TO THIS PROJECT, OF WHICH ABOUT 3,500 SQUARE FEET ARE IN THE 25 TO 35% SLOPED AREAS. UH, ABOUT 2000 SQUARE FEET IN THE 15 TO 25% AREAS, AND THEN ABOUT 3000 FEET IN THE ZERO TO 15% AREA. AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, FROM CHRIS'S PRESENTATION WITH THE, THE RENDERED PLANS, UM, THE POOL STARTS AT, UH, ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING PATIO, WHICH IS A RELATIVELY FLAT AREA, AND THEN, UM, DROPS OFF PRETTY, PRETTY QUICKLY AFTER THAT. UM, THE, THE PROJECT AREA IS, IS COMPLETELY LAWN, SO THERE'S NO TREE REMOVALS. UH, OBVIOUSLY IT WAS PREVIOUSLY DISTURBED, UH, FOR THE HOUSE CONSTRUCTION AND FOR THE YARD. UM, WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING CALL TEXTS. UH, AS YOU CAN SEE THE, THE DARKER RECTANGLES TO THE TOP OF THE, THE POOL, UM, SIMILAR SITUATION AS THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION. YARD DRAINS WILL CATCH ANY RUNOFF FROM THE PATIO AND TRANSMIT IT TO THE, UH, TO THE CULT TEXT. THE SOILS ON THE PROPERTY ARE CONDUCIVE FOR THE CULT TEXT AS WELL AS REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, MINIMIZE ANY POTENTIAL IMPACTS FROM THE BOARD. UH, GRANTING A A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT FOR THIS. THE, UH, THE SOILS ARE A SANDY LOAM, SO THEY'RE NOT VERY HIGHLY ERODIBLE. UM, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE STABLE. AND, UM, BASICALLY AS THE BACKFILL TO THOSE, UM, LOW HEIGHT BOULDER, UH, WALLS, UH, THEY'RE FREE DRAINING. SO THERE'S NOT, UH, A HIGH BUILDUP OF PRESSURE ON THOSE, THOSE BOULDERS. SO IT'S ACTUALLY A, YOU KNOW, AN IDEAL SITUATION. UM, CHRIS, IF YOU JUST GO TO THE RIGHT, TO THE PROFILES THAT WE PROPOSED, UH, OR PREPARED THERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE, UM, AMOUNT OF FELL AND DISTURBANCE TO THE, TO THE SLOPES ARE, ARE PRETTY MINIMAL. UH, THOSE BOULDER WALLS ARE ALL LESS THAN FOUR FEET. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE MORE IN THE ORDER OF TWO TO THREE FEET. AND REALLY IT'S JUST, UM, A MATTER OF TERRACING THE, THE SLOPE DOWNSIDE FROM THE, FROM THE POOL THAT'S PUT IN THERE. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A, UM, KIND OF A MITIGATION STANDPOINT OR AN IMPACT SITUATION FOR STEEP SLOPES, THE, THE TERRACE SITUATION ACTUALLY, UM, PROVIDES YOU A BETTER SITUATION COMPARED TO A, A STEEP SLOPE. UM, AS CHRIS MENTIONED, IN BETWEEN THE TIERED, UM, BOULDER LANDSCAPE WALLS WILL BE LANDSCAPING AND, UH, DOWN BELOW IT, THE, THE LAWN WOULD BE RESTORED. UM, WHAT ELSE CAN I TELL YOU ABOUT THIS? UH, I THINK SAME SITUATION FOR DRAWDOWN, UM, THAT WOULD GO INTO THE COLEX AND WE CAN PROVIDE CALCULATIONS TO SHOW THAT THEY CAN HANDLE THE REQUIRED DRAW DOWN. UM, I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. AND WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD MIGHT HAVE. COULD YOU JUST POINT OUT THE LOCATION OF THOSE CALL TAX UNITS THAT YOU PLAN TO PUT IN? SURE. THOSE ARE THE THREE. THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. JUST, THAT'LL BE JUST THAT ONE SINGLE ONE. IT'S ACTUALLY THREE UNITS PUT TOGETHER. YEAH, BUT I MEAN THAT THE SITE, YOU, THERE'S ONE SITE. YEP. OKAY. CORRECT. YEP. [02:05:01] I THINK MR. FRIED HAD A COMMENT OR A QUESTION. UH, YES. IF YOU CAN, AND I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S FULLY ON THIS PLAN, BUT I DID SEE IT ON OTHER PLANS. UH, IF YOU CAN JUST OUTLINE THE, THE WHOLE CHAIN LINK FENCE, UH, JUST TO GIVE ME A COMFORT LEVEL THAT, UH, THERE'S APPROPRIATE FENCING, UM, AROUND THE POOL AREA, UM, YOU KNOW, TO PROTECT, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE FROM, UH, GOING IN AND USING THE POOL. I NOT SURE IF IT'S ON THIS. I I SEE PART OF IT ON THIS ONE, BUT, UH, JUST WANTED TO BE SURE WE SAW THE WHOLE, UH, LENGTH OF THE FENCE. SURE. SO THE, UH, THE FENCE COMES OFF THE HOUSE HERE WITH AN ALUMINUM STYLE FENCE. UM, IT DOES DIP OFF OF OUR VIEW PORT HERE, BUT THEN CARRIES ALONG THE BACK. AND THIS IS ALL OF A, A CHAIN LINK, UH, SIX FOOT IN ELEVATION, SORRY. UM, CARRIES THROUGH HERE, COMES UP ALONG THIS AREA, RETURNS BACK OVER TOWARDS THE DRIVEWAY, AND AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY HERE, IT RETURNS BACK TO THE HOUSE. UM, AND THIS SECTION AGAIN IS THE ALUMINUM FENCE ON THIS SECTION. RIGHT, THANK YOU. WHERE, WHERE, WHERE'S THE GATE LOCATED ON THIS FENCE? SO THERE IS A GATE, UM, CURRENTLY RIGHT HERE. UH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT COVERED UP WITH OUR CONSTRUCTION ACCESS DETAIL, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A SINGLE GATE ON THIS SIDE HERE. MM-HMM. , ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS OR STAFF HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS APPLICATION? IF THERE IS NO QUESTIONS ON THIS APPLICATION, THEN THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT UNA HAS A QUESTION. YES, WALTER. HI. YES. UM, ONE OF THE OTHER APPLICANTS, UM, WAS SPEAKING WITH US ABOUT PUTTING IN A POLLINATOR GARDEN. AND I'M WONDERING, SINCE THEY'RE DOING SO MANY FLOWERING PLANTINGS ALONG THESE, UM, THE WALLS HERE, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO DO SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE HERE, NATURE TO KEEP ALL OF THE PLANTINGS GOING. YEAH, WE CERTAINLY CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, PUT SOME CONSIDER SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH, YEAH, WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT SOME PLANTS IN THERE THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, POLLINATOR PLANTS, MACIA, AND, AND THAT'D BE GREAT. THAT'D BE GREAT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT QUESTION. I DID HAVE ONE OTHER COMMENT, UM, BEFORE IT, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, UH, AND WE DIDN'T ASK THIS ASK THE QUESTION ALSO WHEN YOU FINISH, OH, I'M SORRY. WE DIDN'T ASK THIS OF THE OTHER APPLICANT, BUT I WILL REACH OUT TO THEM, THEM, UM, HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH YOUR, WITH THE NEIGHBORS, UH, REGARDING THE PROPOSAL? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, FROM TIME TO TIME THE BOARD WILL ASK PRIOR TO GOING INTO A PUBLIC HEARING JUST TO SEE IF THERE'S BEEN ANY CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF. UH, THERE'S NOTHING I'VE BEEN MADE AWARE OF. UM, I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE CLIENTS ABOUT IT. UM, THEY DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY ISSUES WITH ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS. UM, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'VE DISCUSSED ANYTHING SPECIFIC ABOUT IT. OKAY. YEAH, I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT. WELL, YOU WAS ON, WHEN YOU HEARD MY LAST COMMENT IN TERMS OF, UH, DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN, UH, NEIGHBORS, UH, IN MANY CASES TRUNCATE ANY, UH, UH, ISSUES THAT MAY, UH, COME TO, TO SURFACE ON A PUBLIC HEARING. SO IT'S ALWAYS BEST TO SPEAK TO YOUR NEIGHBOR AS OPPOSED TO AN ISSUE THAT YOU DIDN'T THINK ABOUT SHOWS UP AT A PUBLIC CARE. SO THAT'S OUR SUGGESTION, SO, YES. NO, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I, AND I'VE SPOKEN TO THE CLIENT ABOUT THAT, AND THEY DO ANTICIPATE SPEAKING TO THEIR NEIGHBORS PRIOR TO THE MAILING GOING OUT JUST TO GIVE THEM NOTICE, UM, BEFOREHAND. OKAY. CORRECT. YOU HAD A QUESTION. UM, I THINK MY QUESTION IS, UH, HOW DOES, HOW MUCH DISTURBANCES WOULD BE THERE DURING THE CONSTRUCTION AND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MITIGATE? SO OUR LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE IS APPROXIMATELY THIS LINE RIGHT HERE, AND IT, IT'S IN THE, IN THE AREA OF ABOUT, I THINK IT WAS 1200 OR 12,000 SQUARE FEET. IS THAT CORRECT, TROY? UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS MITIGATING, WE ANTICIPATE TURNING THIS AREA BACK INTO LAWN BELOW THE BOULDERS AND EVERYTHING BETWEEN THE BOULDERS TO BE PLANTING, UH, SPACES. RIGHT. AND DURING CONSTRUCTION, OF COURSE, WE'LL HAVE THE FULL EROSION CONTROLS, SILT FENCE AND, UM, SOIL STOCKPILES THAT ARE SURROUNDED BY SILT FENCE AND, AND SEEDED IF THEY'RE GONNA BE, UM, YOU KNOW, HANGING AROUND FOR A WHILE. BUT WE WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE THAT SHOULD BE A PRETTY, PRETTY QUICK CONSTRUCTION, UM, SEASON FOR THIS. YEAH. AND, AND I THINK, UH, UH, FOLLOWING UP THE, UH, CHAIRPERSON'S COMMENT ABOUT [02:10:01] THE, UH, REACHING OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE A LOT OF, LOT OF DISTURBANCES NOISE OCCURS WHILE YOU ARE CONSTRUCTING THE, THE POOL AND, UH, OTHER ACTIVITIES. SO IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO REACH OUT TO THE, YOUR NEIGHBOR BEFORE YOU START CONSTRUCTION. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT ADVICE. WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE GET THAT DONE. OKAY. OKAY. IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS AND, UH, WHAT DO WE HAVE SCHEDULED SO FAR ON THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR, UH, WE KNOW ON DECEMBER 1ST A GOOD CHANCE OF HAVING THE BLOOM ON? UH, WHAT ELSE? I WOULD ACTUALLY SAY THAT, UM, WE WOULD HAVE VERY UNLIKELY CHANCE FOR BLOOM BECAUSE, UH, THE C A C MEETING WILL NOT BE UNTIL DECEMBER 9TH. THAT'S RIGHT. SO THAT WOULD NOT BE UNTIL AFTER. SO IN, IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, GLOOM WILL NOT BE BACK UNTIL THE NEW YEAR. UM, WHAT WE DO HAVE ON FOR DECEMBER 1ST RIGHT NOW IS WE HAVE A DECISION ON THE DEMARO PROJECT THAT WE JUST HAD ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING. WE WILL HAVE A BRIEF CONTINUA OR A CONTINUATION OF THE BODY, UH, SUBDIVISION ON WIND AND PAIN STREET TO SEE THAT FURTHER REVISION AND, AND SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. THEN WE HAVE AS A PLACEHOLDER, THE PARAIS, UM, PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS REALLY A CONTINUATION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. CORRECT. UM, BUT THAT'S ONLY IF THE ZONING BOARD HAS, YOU KNOW, EITHER MADE A DECISION OR, OR CLOSED FOR DECISION, WHICH WE'LL KNOW AFTER TOMORROW EVENING. AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, THE POOL PROJECT THAT WE JUST HEARD AT ONE MAPLE RIDGE COURT ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING. SO THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO PLACE PUT THIS ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING. NO, SO VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WE'LL PUT THIS ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING DECEMBER 1ST. AND GENTLEMEN, AS I MENTIONED TO THE, UH, APPLICANT JUST BEFORE YOU, WE WILL GET YOU THE NOTICE, UM, WITH THE INSTRUCTIONS AS WELL AS, UH, INSTRUCTIONS TO PICK UP THE SIGN, PUT IT IN THE FRONT YARD, TAKE A PHOTOGRAPH. SO WE'LL BE IN TOUCH TOMORROW MORNING, MID-MORNING SOMETIME WITH ALL THE INSTRUCTIONS AND INFORMATION RELATED TO PROPERLY NOTICING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR DECEMBER 1ST. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. OKAY, GREAT. SOUNDS GREAT. THANKS ALL. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. HAVE A GREAT NIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY, NOW THIS LEADS US TO THE, UM, THE LAST ONE YES. IS, UH, PB 2125. THAT'S CORRECT. CHAIR PERSON, SIMON. AND THAT'S FOR THE R M C PROJECT LOCATED AT 59 VALLEY AVENUE. PEEL, ELMSFORD, UH, SITUATED IN THE OB OFFICE BUILDING DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT SEEKS A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF A CUL-DE-SAC ROADWAY AND RELATED RETAINING WALL ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF A THREE-STORY RESIDENTIAL APARTMENT BUILDING ON A NEIGHBORING PARCEL SITUATED WITHIN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD IN ORDER TO CARRY OUT THE PROJECT AS PROPOSED STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE AND REGULATED TREE REMOVALS ARE REQUIRED. THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. WELL, BEFORE WE START, BEFORE I HAVE A QUICK, UH, UH, INVITATION WAS SENT OUT TO THE PLANNING BOARD IN ELFORD, UH, BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY STRADDLES BOTH POUNDS. AND, UH, AND IN THAT IT HAD BEEN, UH, CUSTOM THAT WHEN WE HAVE PROJECTS NEXT TO, UH, MUNICIPALITY, THAT WE ALWAYS, UH, UH, INVITE THEM TO OUR PLANNING BOARD MEETING. UH, THAT INVITATION WAS EXTENDED TO THE PLANNING BOARD IN ELFORD. UH, IN ADDITION, THEY HAVE ALL THE, ALL THE RECORDS THAT YOU HAVE, UH, UH, SIMILAR INFORMATION WAS SENT TO THE TOWN OF ELSWORTH. SO DO WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM ELSWORTH HERE TONIGHT? UH, CHAIRPERSON SIMON, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. WE DO NOT HAVE A, A REPRESENTATIVE HERE FROM THE VILLAGE. I DID SPEAK WITH THE VILLAGE BUILDING INSPECTOR, UM, MR. CAPTA, UH, REGARDING THE PROJECT. UH, HE WASN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO JOIN US THIS EVENING, BUT HE IS AWARE OF THE FACT THAT IT IS ON WITH THE PLANNING BOARD, AND HE KIND OF GAVE ME AN UPDATE OF WHERE THE PROJECT IS WITH THE VILLAGE. SO, UM, OKAY. NOT THIS EVENING, BUT, UH, I DID INDICATE THAT SHOULD THE PROJECT MOVE FORWARD, THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO COMMENT AS PART OF ANY PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. COULD YOU ENLIGHTEN US AS TO WHAT THE STATUS IS IN ELMSFORD ERRANDS SINCE YOU TALKED TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR? I SURE CAN. SO, [02:15:01] UM, THE APPLICANT HAS MET WITH THE VILLAGE BOARD AS WELL AS THE VILLAGE PLANNING BOARD. AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, THE VILLAGE HAS CONDUCTED ITS FULL ON REVIEW OF THE PROJECT. IT HAS NOT ISSUED THE, ANY FINAL DECISION ON THE PROJECT BECAUSE IT, THAT IS, UM, ON HOLD RIGHT NOW PENDING, UH, THE REVIEW BY THIS BOARD FOR THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT FOR THE CUL-DE-SAC. SO THERE HAVE BEEN NO FINAL APPROVALS ISSUED. AND, AND, AND MR. PLEIO CORRECT ME IF YOU FEEL THAT I'M, I'M OFF HERE, BUT THIS IS STRAIGHT FROM THE VILLAGE ENGINEER. I HAVE MY NOTES AT THE OFFICE, BUT THAT'S, I'M SORT OF PARAPHRASING MY NOTES. OKAY. ANOTHER QUESTION BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT IS, UH, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY INFORMATION FROM THE VILLAGE, UH, UH, ABOUT THIS, UH, APPLICATION FOR WHATEVER ACTIVITIES THEY DID ON THAT PART? I SPOKE WITH COMMISSIONER DUQUE ON THAT. HE DID INDICATE THAT HE RECALLS RECEIVING A REFERRAL OF SOME SORT, UM, PERHAPS, UH, A WHILE BACK FROM THE VILLAGE. UH, BEYOND THAT, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY, LIKE PROJECT PLANS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT WELL, WE DIDN'T, I'M AWARE WE DIDN'T, WE WEREN'T NOTICED ON SEEKER. RIGHT. I'D HAVE TO CHECK WITH COMMISSIONER DUQUE ON THAT. SURE. COULD YOU, TO ME, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME WE NEED TO BE NOTICED ON SEEKER. OKAY. OKAY. LET'S, LET'S HEAR THE PLAN AND THEN FROM THAT WE COULD COME UP. I KNOW WE COULD, THERE'LL BE SEVERAL. WELL, LET'S HEAR THE PLAN AND THEN RESPOND TO THE COURT. OKAY. MR. V? UH, SURE. UH, GOOD EVENING. UM, MY NAME IS, UH, BILL VO FROM L TWO A LAND DESIGN. UH, WE'RE THE CIVIL ENGINEERS, UH, FOR THE PROJECT. UM, I CAN, UH, LET ME SHARE MY SCREEN AND I'LL PUT THE SITE PLANS UP. I LIKE THE ICKY STADIUM PICTURE. THAT WAS NICE. OH, YEAH, THE, UH, . THANK YOU. LET ME JUST, UH, LET GET MY, UH, MY BEARINGS HERE. SURE. THAT'S, UH, YEAH, NO, I, I USED TO LIVE IN, IN HARTSDALE AND MY, MY KIDS PLAYED FOR, UH, ELMSFORD LITTLE LEAGUE, SO, OH, OKAY. THAT'S, UH, GREAT TO GO DOWN TO THE STADIUM BEFORE COVID. UM, THEY HAD A SPECIAL EVENT, SO, BUT THANK YOU. UM, OKAY, SO THE SUBJECT, LET ME, I'M JUST GONNA BRING UP AN AERIAL PICTURE FIRST, UM, JUST TO HELP THE BOARD UNDERSTAND WHERE THE SITE IS. UM, WHAT I HAVE HERE, THIS IS, UH, NORTH IS TO THE RIGHT OF THE SCREEN. UM, THIS IS ROUTE ONE 19 OR MAIN STREET IN ELMSFORD. HERE IS THE SAWMILL RIVER PARKWAY. IF YOU'RE ON ONE 19, YOU HAVE THE BP GAS STATION. UP AT THE FRONT, YOU HAVE VALLEY AVENUE THAT RUNS ALONG THE, UH, NORTH, SOUTH DIRECTION. SO IF YOU COME ALONG SOUTH ON VALLEY AVENUE, YOU COME PAST THE NEW, UM, APARTMENT BUILDING, WHICH IS THE ELM. AND THEN YOU GET TO THE VERY END OF VALLEY AVENUE, AND IT'S A DEAD END. AND ESSENTIALLY, THIS IS THE AREA THAT I'M CIRCLING HERE THAT IS GOING TO BE UNDER DEVELOPMENT. IT'S AT THE BOTTOM OF THE KNOB HILL CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX, UH, THAT'S JUST ABOVE TO THE WEST. UM, SO A MAJORITY OF THE PROJECT DEVELOPMENT IS WITHIN ELMSFORD. AND WE HAVE GOTTEN, UH, THROUGH ALL THEIR APPROVALS WITH, UH, THEIR, THEIR, UM, VILLAGE BOARD AND THEIR ENGINEERING REVIEW. UM, WE HAVE, UH, WHAT WE HAVE LEFT IS, UH, SOME PERMITS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH FOR JUST EXTENDING THE WATER AND SEWER, UH, TO THE TOWNHOUSE, PROPOSED TOWNHOUSE, UM, UH, APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT, THAT WE'RE BUILDING IN THE BACK HERE. SO WITH THAT, I'M JUST GONNA SWITCH OVER TO THE SITE PLAN. UM, SO AGAIN, AT THE, AT THE END OF VALLEY AVENUE, UM, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THAT DEAD END AND CONTINUE IT TO A CUL-DE-SAC AT THE, UH, TERMINUS OF VALLEY AVENUE. SO, A MAJORITY OF THE SITE, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, UM, YOU CAN SEE I HAVE A, A, A DARKER LINE HERE THAT STRADDLES THE PROPERTY LINE, AND THAT IS THE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARY, UH, BETWEEN ELMSFORD [02:20:01] AND GREENBERG. SO A MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY AND THE DEVELOPMENT IS WITHIN ELMSFORD. SO THE 30 UNIT BUILDING, THE EXTENSION OF VALLEY AVENUE, ALL OF THE ONSITE PARKING IS ALL WITHIN ELMSFORD. HOWEVER, THE CUL-DE-SAC, UM, TERMINUS OF VALLEY AVENUE IS WITHIN GREENBURG. THIS, THIS SECTION TO THE, TO THE SOUTH OF THE BUILDING IS ALL GREENBURG, ALL THIS AREA THAT'S IN HERE. SO OUR, UM, PRETTY MUCH OUR DISTURBANCE IS WITHIN THE STEEP SLOPE FOR CREATING THIS CUL-DE-SAC AT THE END. AND WHAT I'LL DO IS I'M JUST GONNA SWITCH OVER TO OUR STEEP SLOPE PLAN. SO AGAIN, OUR STEEP SLOPE PLAN, I'M JUST GONNA RUN THROUGH THIS REAL QUICK. UM, OUR LI OUR AREA, OR LIMITED DISTURBANCE, I SHOULD SAY, IS THIS DARK DASHED LINE THAT YOU CAN SEE RUNS UP TOWARDS KNOB HILL, COMES BACK AROUND, AND THEN RUNS ADJACENT TO THE MUNICIPAL B BOUNDARY LINES BETWEEN GREENBERG AND ELMSFORD. SO THERE ARE SOME STEEP SLOPES THAT ARE FARTHER UP THE HILL TOWARDS KNOB HILL. UM, WE ESSENTIALLY ARE NOT TOUCHING THOSE. WE, WE STOP ALL OUR GRADING. UM, REALLY JUST BEFORE IT, THERE'S A SMALL AREA OF THE, OF THE, UH, 15 TO 25% SLOPES THAT WE HAVE A SLIGHT IMPACT TO. BUT A MAJORITY OF THE STEEP SLOPE IMPACTS ARE FOR THE CREATION OF THIS CUL-DE-SAC, WHICH IS, UM, ADJACENT TO THE SAWMILL RIVER PARKWAY. SO THIS AREA, UM, TO THE EAST OF THE CUL-DE-SAC. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STEEP SLOPE TABLE HERE, WE HAVE, UH, APPROXIMATELY 2,327 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE WITHIN THE 15 TO 25% SLOPE. WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 768 SQUARE FEET WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE 25 TO 35% SLOPES AND 645 UM, SQUARE FEET WITHIN THE 35 AND UP CATEGORY. AND AGAIN, THAT'S, THERE IS A, THERE IS A STEEP GRADE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SAW MILL RIVER PARKWAY AND THE, UH, WHERE THE CUL-DE-SAC IS, IS INTENDED TO GO. UM, SO WE JUST HAVE TO CLIMB BACK UP THAT GRADE CHANGE THAT'S THERE. THIS SITE, UH, IF, IF YOU DO REMEMBER, UH, MANY YEARS AGO, UM, THERE WAS A HOTEL ON THIS PROPERTY. UM, SO IF I, IF I SWITCH BACK TO THE SITE PLANS, UM, THIS IS THE DEMOLITION AND EXISTING CONDITIONS PLAN. IF I ZOOM IN HERE, UM, THE HATCHED AREAS WITH THIS STRIPING THAT ARE ON THE PLAN, THIS IS ALL EXISTING ASPHALT. OKAY? THAT'S, THAT'S THERE. THE, THE OLD HOTEL THAT WAS TORN DOWN MANY YEARS AGO WAS IN THE CENTER, AND THAT'S THIS, THIS, UM, DOTTED HATCH IN THE MIDDLE. THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE BUILDING ARE STILL THERE. UM, AND ALL OF THIS ASPHALT STILL EXISTS. IT'S JUST VERY OVERGROWN OVER THE DECADES OF, OF, OF NO ACTIVITY IN THIS AREA. SO, AT ONE TIME, UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THE CUL-DE-SAC WOULD BE AT THIS VERY END, UM, OF THE VALLEY AVENUE EXTENSION. HERE IS THE DIVIDE LINE BETWEEN GREENBURG AND ELMSFORD, AND HERE'S THAT CUL-DE-SAC. SO YOU CAN SEE THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF ASPHALT PAVEMENT THERE ALREADY. UM, IT'S JUST VERY OVERGROWN, UM, FROM THE, JUST THE LACK OF ACTIVITY THAT'S BEEN THERE. UM, HOWEVER, WE DID, WE DID DESIGN, UM, THE PROPERTY TO ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THE STORMWATER RUNOFF, UM, FROM THE DEVELOPMENT. IT, IT, IT WAS NOT CATEGORI CATEGORIZED AS A REDEVELOPMENT. UM, SO WE, WE TREATED IT AS IF THERE WERE NO, UH, THERE WAS NO ASPHALT, UH, EXISTING ASPHALT ON THE PROPERTY. SO WE HAVE, UH, STORM TECH UNITS, UH, THAT ARE UNDERGROUND. THEY'RE, THEY'RE BELOW THE, THEY'RE BELOW THE EXISTING PARK OR PROPOSED PARKING AREA WITHIN THE LIMITS OF ELMSFORD. UM, AND THEY CONTROL ALL OF THE STORMWATER RUNOFF, UH, FROM THE DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES. AND WE ALSO GET INFILTRATION, [02:25:01] UH, THROUGH THAT BASIN. UM, WE'RE ALSO PROPO PROPOSING WATER QUALITY, UH, DEVICES, UH, BOTH WITH, IN THE DEVELOPMENT AND ALONG THE VALLEY AVENUE EXTENSION TO TREAT ANY OF THE, UH, STORMWATER RUNOFF FROM THE EXTENSION OF VALLEY AVENUE. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, WE ARE REMOVING, UH, SEVERAL TREES, AND AGAIN, BACK ON THE DEMOLITION PLAN. UM, I SPECIFICALLY INDICATED ALL OF THE TREES WITHIN GREENBURG THAT ARE BEING REMOVED. AND IN TOTAL, UM, THERE ARE 32 TREES BEING REMOVED. HOWEVER, UM, ONLY 22 ARE CLASSIFIED, UM, PER THE DIAMETER, UM, FOR THE SIZE DIAMETER THAT ARE, UH, EIGHT OVER EIGHT INCHES. SO TECHNICALLY WE'RE ONLY REMOVING 22, UM, SPECIMEN TREES, UH, FROM THE PROPERTY. AND THEN WE'RE GONNA REPLACE THEM. I'M GONNA SWITCH OVER TO THE LANDSCAPING PLAN. WE'RE GONNA REPLACE THEM WITH 49. UH, WE REPLACEMENT TREES, UH, THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY. UM, SOME ARE ALONG THE, UH, ROADWAY OF VALLEY AVENUE IN ELMSFORD. UM, HOWEVER, A MAJORITY OF THEM ARE WITHIN THE LIMITS OF GREENBURG. THEY'RE, THEY'RE BACK UP ON THE HILLSIDE OF KNOB HILL, AND THEY SURROUND THE CUL-DE-SAC, UH, ON THE, ON THE PERIMETER, AS WELL AS THE INTERIOR OF THE CUL-DE-SAC. UM, WHAT WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED, UM, ON THE CUL-DE-SAC, THERE ARE, THERE ARE NO PARKING SIGNS, UM, FOR A FIRE LANE, UH, AROUND THE, AROUND THE CUL-DE-SAC, UM, AT THE REQUEST OF THE, UH, GREENBERG, UH, POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND, UH, WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING TWO FIRE HYDRANTS THAT ARE BOTH LOCATED IN ELMSFORD ON THE ELMSFORD SIDE. AND I'LL, I'LL JUST SWITCH OVER TO THE UTILITY PLAN FOR YOU. UM, WE HAVE ONE BRAND NEW HYDRANT THAT'S GONNA BE JUST OPPOSITE OUR, UM, PARKING AREA AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING. AND THEN WE HAVE ONE AT THE VERY END, UH, JUST BEFORE THE CUL-DE-SAC, WHICH IS STILL IN ELMSFORD. WE, WE DID THAT JUST TO KEEP, UM, THOSE UTILITIES, UH, IN ELMSFORD, UM, BECAUSE THEY, THAT WILL, UH, BE THE, UH, AUTHORITY THAT WOULD RESPOND, UH, TO THIS DEVELOPMENT BOTH POLICE AND FIRE. UM, SO, UM, WITH THAT, UM, WE'RE BEFORE YOU FOR, UH, RELIEF FROM THE STEEP SLOPE. UM, AND IT'S, IT'S TO CREATE THIS CUL-DE-SAC, UM, FOR, FOR SAFE TURNAROUND, UH, FOR BOTH THE OCCUPANTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, FIRE AND SAFETY AND ANY, UM, UM, VISITORS THAT MAY, MAY BE, UM, COMING TO THE SITE. IT ALSO PROVIDES IMPROVEMENTS FOR, UM, I'M JUST GONNA SWITCH BACK. IT ALSO PROVIDES IMPROVEMENTS FOR ALL OF THE OTHER, UM, PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALONG VALLEY AVENUE, UM, ESPECIALLY THAT ARE SOUTH OF WOODLAND AVENUE. UM, WE'RE TURNING A DEAD END SITUATION INTO A SAFE CUL-DE-SAC WHERE THERE'S AMPLE ROOM FOR TURNAROUND FOR, UH, BOTH, UM, STANDARD VEHICLES AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES. UM, AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, THE, THE SITE WAS DEVELOPED MANY YEARS AGO. UM, IT'S JUST BEEN HEAVILY OVERGROWN BECAUSE IT, IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR MANY YEARS. UM, AND WE ARE, UH, WOULD LIKE TO REVITALIZE THIS AREA WITH A 30 UNIT, UM, TOWNHOUSE APARTMENT BUILDING. OKAY. UH, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU COM YOU'RE FINISHED. HEY. HELLO. OKAY, BECAUSE I, I HAVE, I HAVE, IF YOU'RE FINISHED, MIGHT I, UH, I'D LIKE TO, UH, STATE, I'M ROCKO SIO. I REPRESENT, UH, UH, ROBERT MARTIN DEVELOPMENT COMPANY. UH, WE ARE THE DEVELOPERS AND THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY. UH, I WANTED TO, UH, LET THE BOARD UNDERSTAND THAT THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD AND THE, UH, AND THE PLANNING, UH, AND MR. DUANE, [02:30:01] UH, OF, UH, GREENBERG HAVE, UH, DISCUSSED THIS PROPERTY AT LENGTH. UH, WE'VE HAD AN ONGOING DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE TWO MUNICIPALITIES TO CREATE AN INTERM MUNICIPALITY AGREEMENT, SO THAT ANYTHING, UH, THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE TO MAINTAIN THE, UM, CUL-DE-SAC AND ITS UTILITIES, UH, WOULD BE, UH, TAKEN CARE OF BY THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD. THAT, UH, AGREEMENT IS, UH, BEING DRAFTED AS WE SPEAK AND, UH, WOULD PROBABLY BE BACK TO MR. LEWIS, UH, SHORTLY. I JUST WANNA LET THE, UH, BOARD UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED A NUMBER OF TIMES WITH THE, UH, TOWN OF GREENBURG BEFORE. AND, UH, WE'RE HOPING THAT, UH, WE CAN GET SOME POSITIVE FEEDBACK, UH, AT THIS TIME. UM, OKAY. ALL THE NECESSARY ENGINEERING FOR, UM, STORM WATER AND UTILITIES HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND APPROVED. AND AS, UH, MR. VOTE INDICATED, UH, YOUR ABOVE, YOU SAID THE STORMWATER HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR ELFORD. THEY, THEY'VE ALL BEEN REVIEWED BY THE, UH, UH, VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD, UH, OUTSIDE ENGINEERS. UH, AND THEY HAVE BEEN, UH, APPROVED. OKAY. UH, THE WATER AND SEWER EXTENSIONS ARE INTO THE, UH, COUNTY FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. OKAY. AND AS, AS I I, I, I SAID AT THE VERY BEGINNING THAT IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT THAT YOU KNOW, THROUGH, UH, THE PLANNING BOARDS, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE PLANNING BOARDS HAVE TO APPROVE IT. AND I ALWAYS SAID THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT PLANNING BOARDS, UH, GET THE INFORMATION EARLY ON. NOW, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DID, LOOKING AT THE PLAN, THERE'S TWO, THERE'S SEVERAL, ASIDE FROM THE PLAN ITSELF, THERE ARE TWO ISSUES THAT COME TO MIND. ONE WAS BROUGHT UP BY, UH, THE VICE CHAIR AND ONE BY MYSELF. THE, THE ONE ISSUE, THE CUL-DE-SAC, CAN YOU LEGALLY, ACCORDING TO THE CODE, JUST BUILD A CUL-DE-SAC, A CUL-DE-SAC THAT ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT DOES NOT HAVE ANY, UH, ACCESS AT ALL ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY? I DON'T KNOW. BUT, UM, THE QUESTION IS, CAN THAT CUL-DE-SAC BE LEGALLY BUILT ACCORDING TO THE GREENBERG CODES? THAT'S NUMBER ONE. THE OTHER ISSUE IS YOU HAVE A RECREATION AREA THAT GOES ACROSS TWO PROPERTY LINES, RIGHT? SO HOW, HOW DO YOU DESIGN THAT RECREATION AREA IF THE PROPERTY LINE GOES RIGHT THROUGH IT? SO HOW, OKAY, LET ME JUST TELL YOU WHAT I C D IS. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS HOW WE GET TO TREAT THAT RECREATION AREA, UH, UH, AS YOU KNOW, IN, IN, UH, IN SUBDIVISIONS AND, UH, UH, THERE IS A RECREATION FEE. DOES THAT, HOW DOES THAT, DOES THAT IMPACT THAT AT ALL, UH, OR THAT RECREATION AREA IS SUFFICE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT? UH, YOU KNOW, UH, THIS IS QUESTIONS ASIDE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF. WE NEED TO GET CLARITY ON THAT CUL-DE-SAC ACCORDING TO OUR CODES, AND WE NEED TO HAVE CLARITY EXACTLY HOW WE TREAT THAT RECREATION AREA. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS EVER DISCUSSED BEFORE. I THINK, HUGH, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COULD YOU TALK ABOUT NO, I, I, WELL, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S BOTH OF THOSE AREAS. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. YEAH. ARE THESE CO-OPS OR CONDOS OR RENTALS? THEY'LL BE RENTALS. THEY'LL BE RENTALS, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO IT'S THE, THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, WHETHER IT BE IN GREENBERG OR IN ELMSFORD, IS OWNED BY ONE OWNER? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. WE OWN, UH, AND, UH, LET ME SAY THIS, THE, UH, PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT YOU SEE THERE, UH, THAT'S WITHIN GREENBURG IS ONLY LESS THAN 1% OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF. THE PROPERTY IS 10.87 ACRES. AND IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, THE SCREEN THAT IS THERE, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE [02:35:01] PROPERTY LINE IS AND WHERE THE PROPOSED ELFORD CONSTRUCTION WILL BE. AND THE CUL-DE-SAC WILL ONLY TAKE OVER THE NORTH EAST CORNER OF ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S 13,000 SQUARE FEET OUT OF THE 475,000 SQUARE FEET. SO WE'RE BASICALLY NOT REALLY, UH, DISTURBING VERY MUCH. UH, THE WHOLE IDEA, UH, FOR THAT IS, UH, THE, THE CUL-DE-SAC IS TO MAKE A LEGAL, UH, TURNAROUND FOR THE EXTENSION OF VALLEY AVENUE. THERE IS NO OTHER, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. AS, AS, UH, BILL VOTE INDICATED EARLIER, THAT SITE IS EXTREMELY STEEP AND IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO MUCH. UH, BUT THE AREA WHERE, UH, THE CUL-DE-SAC IS, HAS A VERY MINOR AMOUNT OF STEEP SLOPES. AND IN FACT, THE CUL-DE-SAC IS ON A RELATIVELY FLAT SECTION OF THAT SITE. I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I DON'T, I, AGAIN, I THINK OUR ISSUES, AT LEAST MINE ARE MORE WITH, UH, HOW WE DEAL WITH THIS IN A, WITHIN OUR CODE THAN IT IS THE, THIS SIDE ITSELF, TRUTHFULLY. UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO EXPLORE, UH, ON OUR, ON OUR SIDE. THAT'S WHY IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE, TRUTHFULLY, WHEN THIS THING WAS PRESENTED TO THE, TO THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD THAT WE MADE SURE THAT THE BOARD AND OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT LOOKED AT THAT ISSUE AND ADVISED US BEFORE WE EVEN HAD THIS HEARING AT THIS MEETING TONIGHT. WELL, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO KNOW. AS I SAID, THIS PLAN WAS PRESENTED TO THE, UH, TO MR. DUANE MORE THAN A YEAR AGO. UH, IT WAS DISCUSSED WITH MR. DUANE, AND IT WAS ALSO DISCUSSED WITH, UH, YOUR, UH, TOWN ATTORNEY, MR. LEWIS. UM, AND, UH, AS THE, THE PLANS WEREN'T, UH, FINALIZED AT THAT TIME, AND AT THAT TIME, WE WERE, WE WERE ASKED THAT WHEN THE PLANNING BOARD OF ELMER WAS READY TO, UH, MOVE ALONG WITH THIS, THAT WE SHOULD GET TOGETHER. UH, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. OKAY. WE, OKAY. LET ME, CAN, CAN I JUMP IN FOR FOR A SECOND PLEASE, DAVE? DO, YES. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, I HAVE, YOU KNOW, SEARCHED MY MEMORY AND SEARCHED MY EMAILS, UH, ROCCO, I DO REMEMBER A MEETING ONE TIME I WAS CALLED IN, WHERE THE GENERAL PLAN OF THIS WAS DISCUSSED. UM, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL IDEA, THERE WERE NO PLANS. UM, MY, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN, AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S AS MY, UH, THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THAT I REPRESENT ARE EXPRESSING ARE WHEN YOU, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, WHEN YOU PUT YOUR APPLICATIONS IN WITH VILLAGE, WITH THE VILLAGE AND MAYBE THE VILLAGE MOVES EXTREMELY QUICKLY, THE APPLICATION THAT CAME TO US DID NOT COME TO US UNTIL LATE OCTOBER. UM, SO OUR PROCESS, AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE, IS WE GENERALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE TO HAVE A MEETING TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROJECT IS BEFORE FINDING OUT THAT THE VILLAGE HAS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH DOTTED THEIR I'S AND CROSSED THEIR T'S. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT, UH, HAVE BEEN RAISED. I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS, UH, WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, UH, THE LEGAL, I UNDERSTAND FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD GENERAL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, UH, UTILITIES, UH, AND THAT, UH, WITH, WITH, UH, WITH TIM, BUT THAT DOESN'T REALLY ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT THE PLANNING BOARD IS LOOKING AT, WHICH IS HOW TO SYNTHESIZE THIS, UH, PROJECT INTO, UM, A LOT. AND, UH, I GUESS I'LL ASK THE, THE, THE, THE QUESTION, YOU'VE GOT A MUCH LARGER LOT HERE, RATHER THAN WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING HERE, YOU'RE JUST SHOWING THE DISTURBANCE, THIS DISTURBANCE AREA IN THAT, UM, UH, IN, IN THE SCREEN THAT'S SHARED, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S ONE LOT. YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. UM, AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE CORRECT PROCESS THAT WE CAN MOVE, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS DONE LEGALLY, PROPERLY WITHIN OUR, UH, WITHIN OUR ZONING, UH, ZONING ORDINANCE. OKAY. AS I SAID, UM, IT, THIS IS AN OFFICE BUILDING ZONE. UH, WE SEE NOTHING IN THE REGULATIONS THAT STATES WE CANNOT BUILD A, UM, A CUL-DE-SAC WITHIN THAT ZONE. UM, AND AS I SAID, IT'S A VERY MINOR SECTION OF THE SITE. WE'RE BASICALLY, UH, DISTURBING NOTHING COMPARED TO THE OVERALL, AND IT WOULD, [02:40:01] IT'S BASICALLY A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE. IT'S THERE FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES, UH, AND ALSO FOR GENERAL, UH, UH, VEHICLE TURNAROUND. UM, IT HAS NO ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE SITE. UH, IT'S ONLY, UH, IT'S A BENEFIT TO, UH, THE TOWN OF ELMSFORD IN A WAY BECAUSE IT GIVES THEM A LEGAL WAY TO, UH, TO PRO TO PROVIDE AN APPROVAL FOR THE APARTMENTS, WHICH ARE, UH, A, UH, PERMITTED USE IN THE SITE. SO, UH, BASICALLY, UH, WE FEEL IT'S, IT'S A, IT DOESN'T HURT. UH, WE'VE AGREED THE TOWN HAS AGREED TO DISCUSS A, UM, INTER MUNICIPALITY AGREEMENT SO THAT GREENBERG HAS NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY OF THE WORK THAT'S GONNA BE PROVIDED. SIR, WE'VE HEARD ALL THIS, YOU ALL THIS WE'VE HEARD. YEAH, BUT THE POINT IS CAN I, CAN I FINISH, WALTER, LEMME FINISH THIS, PLEASE. YEAH, WE HEARD ALL THAT. I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT. OKAY. THAT'S NOT OUR ISSUE. OKAY. WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE RESPONSIBILITY ON OUR BOARD, BOARD, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO GO BY OUR CODE. THIS IS A VERY UNUSUAL SITUATION. TYPICALLY, WE DON'T LET PEOPLE PAVE OVER LOTS WITHOUT A BUILDING ATTACHED TO THEM. NOW, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THERE IS A BUILDING ATTACHED TO THEM, BUT IT'S NOT ON OUR MUNICIPALITY. SO WE NEED TO RESEARCH HOW WE DEAL WITH THAT. YEAH. WE DON'T ALLOW, WE WOULDN'T ALLOW YOU TO PUT A RECREATION AREA ON ANOTHER LOT THAT'S UNDEVELOPED OR WOULDN'T LET YOU PUT A CUL-DE-SAC ON ANOTHER LOT THAT'S UNDEVELOPED. OKAY. THAT, THAT ISN'T ENOUGH. THAT ISN'T IN COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR CODE. THE QUESTION IS, HOW DO WE DEAL WITH IT WHEN IT, IN FACT, IT OBVIOUSLY IS ATTACHED TO A, A DEVELOPMENT WHEN IT'S OVER THE LINE. THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY, THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUE IS. HMM. SO WE'RE, SO WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE WE, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, PULL BACK FOR, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO TALK WITH OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR, UM, TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE, UH, APPROVAL PROCESS THAT HAPPENED IN THE VILLAGE, WHAT WE'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING AND WHAT I'M SUGGESTING, I MEAN, LOOKING FOR LO LOOKING AHEAD, IF WE HAD THE, THE SAME PROJECT GOING FORWARD, ROCCO IS TO SAY, PRESENT IT TO BOTH BOARDS AT THE SAME TIME, NOT, DON'T HAVE IT GET DONE BY, UH, A VILLAGE AND THEN COME TO THE TOWN AND SAY, HERE, WE GOT IT DONE. YOU KNOW, UH, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD HAS. I THINK WE CAN RESEARCH THEM, WE CAN ADDRESS THEM, UH, AND GET TO THEM. BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE, WE HAVE HAD, AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME PROJECTS THAT, THAT CROSS OVER MUNICIPAL LINES. AND SO, UH, THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS WE HAVE TO, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE OF THE ZONING OF THE, OF THIS PROPERTY. YEAH. SO, SO WITHIN, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT SAID, THE ISSUE IS WE HAVE TO, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR, I, I DON'T, WELL, I DON'T HAVE, AND, AND, AND I DON'T, NOT UNLESS, UH, ANY OTHER, UH, UH, PLANNING BOARD MEMBER HERE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PROJECT ITSELF. WE ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, BUT YES, WE HAVE TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND, AND, UH, AND, AND MAKE AND LOOK AT THE PROJECT, THE PROJECT DESIGN. BUT, UH, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE APPROVAL OF IT, WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT IT. BUT THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE HERE. WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PROJECT ITSELF. IS THE WORK IS THE ISSUE OF CLARITY ON APPLICABLE CODES THAT ADDRESS THAT CAL CUL-DE-SAC AND ADDRESS THAT RECREATIONAL PROBLEM. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED CLARITY ON. AND THAT WAS AS, AS, UH, UH, DAVE'S INDICATED HIS HE NEED TO DO SOME RESEARCH, SPEAK TO, UH, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO SEE THE, SO WE COULD GET SOME CLARITY SO WE CAN MAKE AN INTELLIGENT DECISION REGARDING THAT. THAT'S ALL WE'RE SAYING. AND THAT REQUIRES SOME TIME TO DO SO. IT ISN'T A QUESTION THAT WE COULD SAY HERE TONIGHT, WE APPROVE THAT AND, AND BLESS, GO BACK DOWN. NO, WE NEED TO GET CLARITY ON THAT. WE NEED TO DO ALL THAT. OKAY. AND, AND, AND MY OFFICE AS WELL AS DAVID AND HIS OFFICE, WILL WORK AND LOOK TO SPEAK WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, UH, AGAIN, TOUCH BASE WITH THE VILLAGE TO UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING FULLY AND REPORT BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD. UM, BUT I, I DO [02:45:01] KNOW THAT MS. F*G HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE PROJECT ITSELF, SO WANTED HER TO BE ABLE TO ASK THAT QUESTION. ABSOLUTELY, RAMONA. YEAH. UM, THE GENTLEMAN HAD MENTIONED THAT IT IS A RENTAL APARTMENT AND ASKED ABOUT IT BEING A CONDO OR A CO-OP, BUT WHAT IS TO PREVENT THE SALE OF THE PROJECT DOWN THE ROAD AND IT BECOMING CONDOS OR CO-OPS? THERE'S NOTHING TO PREVENT THAT DOWN THE, DOWN THE ROAD. AM I CORRECT? I NO, OBVIOUSLY THAT, THAT, THAT'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY. UH, BUT IF YOU HAD ANY, UH, FAMILIARITY WITH ROBERT MARTIN DEVELOPMENT, UH, WE'RE NOT THAT KIND OF A COMPANY. UH, WE, WE BUILD, WE MAINTAIN AND WE OPERATE OUR OWN PROPERTIES. THE, UH, 30, THE 96 UNIT APARTMENT HOUSE THAT'S, UH, 500 FEET TO THE NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, 35 VALLEY AVENUE WE BUILT ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO. UH, WE BUILT IT TO OWN AND TO MAINTAIN. AND THAT IS OUR, THAT'S OUR, UH, MODUS UPPER OPERANDI. WE HAVE PROPERTIES IN, UH, OTHER PARTS OF NEW YORK. WE HAVE HAVE PROPERTIES IN, UH, FLORIDA AND CONNECTICUT. UH, WE BUILD THEM, WE OWN THEM, WE OPERATE THEM. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT IT COULD BE SOLD? I'M SURE IT IS AT SOME POINT IN TIME, BUT THAT'S NOT NORMALLY HOW WE OPERATE. UH, WE DO OWN AND MANAGE THE APARTMENT, THE, UH, PROPERTIES THAT WE OWN. UH, AND WE'RE VERY PROUD OF OUR BUSINESS AND OUR REPUTATION SHOULD PROCEED US. WE'VE BEEN IN ELMER FOR 50 YEARS, SO, UM, IT, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD CONTEMPLATE, ALTHOUGH OBVIOUSLY ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE ANOTHER, I HAVE A QUESTION, WALTER. SURE, SURE. ABOUT THE PROJECT. OKAY. ROCCO, UM, THE CU CUL-DE-SAC, WHAT ARE YOU PUTTING IN THE MIDDLE THERE? IS THAT GONNA BE, IT SAYS A LANDSCAPE THERE, IT'S JUST A LANDSCAPED AREA. IT WILL BE. OKAY. YES. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY WITH THE PAVEMENT, UH, BEING PERMEABLE PAVERS? I'M SORRY, SAY AGAIN? IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO THE CUL-DE-SAC IN PERMEABLE PAVERS? UM, YOU'VE BEEN ENCOURAGING THAT IN GREENBURG MORE AND MORE. I, I, I, I GUESS THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. I'LL DISCUSS IT WITH OUR, WITH OUR, UH, SERIAL ENGINEER. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAD. OKAY. UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THAT AREA HAS BEEN, UH, DESIGNED FOR THE STORMWATER, UH, MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AND IS PART OF THAT, UH, AS IT IS, AND AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, MO IF, IF, BILL, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THAT DEMOLITION PLAN FOR A MINUTE. THAT ENTIRE AREA WHERE THE CUL-DE-SAC IS, WHERE YOU SEE THE CROSS HATCH LINES, THAT'S, THAT'S EXISTING ASPHALT. SO THAT PROPERTY IS NOT REALLY PERMEABLE AS IT STANDS THE WAY IT IS. AND WHEN WE'RE DONE, IT'LL BE BETTER , THAT ENTIRE CROSS HATCH AREA IS EXISTING ASPHALT. IT WAS BEEN OVERGROWN, BUT IT'S STILL THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO, OKAY. SO YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT HAS TO BE DONE? WE HAVE TO DO SOME RESEARCH ON OUR SIDE AND, UH, AND AFTER WE, UH, GET THAT INFORMATION, THEN AT THAT POINT WE'LL SCHEDULE A FOLLOW UP, UH, UH, WORK SESSION. OKAY. SO, UM, OKAY. AND SO WE'LL LEAVE IT THEN. UH, IS, IS THAT, UH, WOULD BE DEPENDING ON STAFF, MR. CHAIRMAN, IS THAT, TO DO THAT WITH MR. CHAIRMAN? IS THAT AN OPEN-ENDED DATE? I MEAN, IS THERE SOME, SOME POSSIBLE TIME WE COULD SAY THIS'LL BE A RE UH, WE GOT A RESPONSE IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY, OR, WELL, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, WE ONLY HAVE ONE MEETING IN DECEMBER. SO THE, THE DECEMBER MEETING IS, IS NO PROBLEM. THAT THAT'S, NO KNOW, I DON'T SEE THAT IN THE, UH, UH, IN DECEMBER. UH, UM, NOT UNLESS STAFF FEEL THAT THEY CAN GET ALL THE INFORMATION FOR US FOR THE DECEMBER MEETING, WHICH I WOULD NOT, UH, UH, OH, LET ME NOT SPEAK DAVID. AND, AND, AND AARON. YEAH, I'LL LET AARON, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, WE'LL MAKE EVERY OPPORTUNITY THAT WE CAN. UH, I CAN'T GUARANTEE ANYTHING. WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE A BUNCH OF COORDINATION TO DO, BUT AS EARLY AS TOMORROW, WE'LL BEGIN THE PROCESS OF SITTING DOWN WITH STAFF, SPEAKING WITH OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR. I'LL REACH BACK OUT TO THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD TO GET A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS THAT THEY WENT THROUGH. [02:50:01] UM, MR. SCHWARTZ ASKED ABOUT THE SECRET PROCESS. WE'LL GET INFORMATION ON THAT. SO WE'LL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO TURN THINGS AROUND QUICKLY. LIKE I SAID, I CAN'T MAKE ANY PROMISES, BUT, UM, I WILL ALERT YOU CHAIRPERSON SIMON, AS INFORMATION COMES IN. JUST, JUST REMEMBER OUR NEXT MEETING IS RIGHT AFTER, AFTER THANKSGIVING. YEAH, I WILL FOLLOW UP. UH, IT'S A VERY SHORT TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. BUT, UH, UM, DECEMBER 1ST, I THINK IT'S OVER AMBITIOUS BECAUSE, UH, BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAYS THIS COMING UP AND, AND THE FACT THAT WE ONLY HAVE ONE MEETING IN DECEMBER, I WILL, I WOULD NOT SAY ABSOLUTELY NOT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU FALSE HOPE THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET IT ON IN THE, I THINK A MORE REALISTIC TIMEFRAME IS, UH, IN JANUARY. UH, HOPEFULLY THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY IS MORE REALISTIC. BUT WE WILL, LIKE I SAID, UH, AND AARON INDICATED THAT AS THEY DEVELOP INFORMATION, IF WE THINK WE COULD ALTER THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GET, WE'LL, WE'LL GET IT ON AS SOON AS WE COULD GET THE INFORMATION. WE NOT APPRECIATE IT. HOLD UP, HOLD UP THE PROJECT. NOT THANK YOU. UM, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, TO REMIND THE, UH, BOARD THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, GREENBERG HAS REVIEWED THIS, UH, HAS THIS REQUEST, AND, UH, SENT A LETTER OF NO COMMENT, UH, ABOUT IT THAT THEY, THEY HAD NO OBJECTION TO IT. UH, IF, IF THAT IS HELPFUL. BUT THANK YOU. I, WE, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR, AND YOUR EFFORTS. THANK YOU. WE WILL, WE WILL, WE'LL, WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THEM. UM, I ASKED, WILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR MR. LEWIS, BUT HE IS OUT, UH, HE IS OUT OF THE COUNTRY. WE'LL BE LEAVING TOMORROW MORNING AND WON'T BE BACK TILL WEDNESDAY. UH, I AM VERY CONFIDENT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT JAN, EARLY JANUARY, WE'LL HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS. I AM LESS CONFIDENT, BUT IF WE CAN GET IT BEFORE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT. YEAH, THAT'S WHY I'D RATHER PUT OUT A REALISTIC TIMEFRAME. WE'LL KNOW IN A COUPLE, WE'LL KNOW WITHIN, WE'LL KNOW BY NEXT WEEK, WHICH WAY. THANK YOU ALL AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THANK YOU AND GOODNIGHT. AND HAVE A HAPPY THANKSGIVING. HAPPY THANKSGIVING. YOU HOLIDAY RIGHT ON TIME. YOU NO COMMENT. . HEY, IT'S ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THE OUTSIDE OF THE FIVE MINUTES, YOU WASTED IN THE BEGINNING. WE COULD HAVE ACTUALLY FINISHED EARLY . OKAY. EVERYONE HAVE A GREAT THANKSGIVING AND HOLIDAY. EVERYONE GOOD? HAVE A GOOD HOLIDAY, EVERYBODY. BE SAFE. OKAY, NOW. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.