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[ FINAL TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD GREENBURGH TOWN HALL AGENDA WEDNESDAY, December 1, 2021 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
EVERYONE.THANK YOU FOR JOINING IN THE DECEMBER 1ST PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
UH, JUST A REMINDER TO PLEASE KEEP YOUR MICS MUTED UNTIL CALLED UPON TO SPEAK.
AND WELCOME TO THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING OF DECEMBER 1ST, 2021.
I ASK THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHWITTT CALLED ROLL CALL CHAIRPERSON.
NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. SNAGS IS NOT ON THE MEETING AS OF YET THIS EVENING.
UNLESS MR. STAG UNTIL, AND UNLESS MR. STAGG STA UH, JOIN THE MEETING, UH, UH, ALTERNATE JONATHAN CAPANO WILL BE A FULL VOTING MEMBER.
UH, THE FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS THE MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 17TH, 2021.
ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR UPDATES TO THE MINUTES? I THINK THERE WAS ONE NOTED ON, UH, CASE PB 2021.
I THINK, UH, UH, DAVID, YOU CITED A TYPO.
UH, IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH, NEXT TO LAST LINE, THE SPELLING OF THE WORD ENDORSED.
SO THAT WAS, THAT WILL BE CORRECTED.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER CORRECTION TO THE MINUTES? IF NOT, I PROPOSE WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS, UH, AMENDED.
UH, THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS CORRESPONDENCE.
IT IS, UM, WE HAVE TWO, UH, WELL, ONE WAS, UH, UH, WE HAD ASKED, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, BURNS, JUST GIVE US SOME UPDATE ON, UH, THE PROPOSALS.
UH, HE WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD, AND HE JUST INDICATE THAT FOR NEXT YEAR, HE HAD A LIST OF PROPOSALS, UH, THAT WILL BE $360,000 AGAINST AVAILABLE PARK FUNDS OF 4 0 6.
SO THAT'S INFORMATION ONLY, UH, FOR EACH PROJECT HE WILL HAVE TO PRESENT EACH PROJECT, BUT JUST TO GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT HE HAS ADVISED.
THE OTHER THING IS, UH, PB 1624 CARBO, AND THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A 90 DAY EXTENSION.
I THINK THE ATTACHED LETTER TO THAT REQUEST IS COMPELLING AND GIVE THE REASON WHY, UH, THE DELAY, THERE WAS A LEGAL SUIT, UH, UH, THAT THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH.
HIS WIFE, UH, LOST HIS JOB PLUS THE COVID AND PUT EVERYTHING ON DELAY.
SO I PROPOSE THAT WE APPROVE THE 90 DAY EXTENSION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? UH, BEFORE YOU GO, ACTUALLY, THE REQUEST WAS FROM A 180 DAY EXTENSION.
UM, AND THE REA PART OF THE REASON BEHIND THAT, I DID ASK THEM, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
THE LETTER SAYS 90 DAYS? NO, THAT WAS THE PRIOR.
THAT WAS THE FORMER EXTENSION.
THE REASON WHY I ASKED THEM WHY, WHY THE 180 DAYS AND BECAUSE THEY'RE SEEKING A RETROACTIVE EXTENSION, UH, THAT WOULD TAKE EFFECT BEGINNING OCTOBER 18TH.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE VERY DOWN A MONTH AND A HALF, SO, OKAY.
THE EXTRA, YOU KNOW, THE 45 DAYS DOESN'T GIVE THEM AN AWFUL AMOUNT OF TIME.
AND THAT'S THE REASON I THOUGHT IT WAS REASONABLE.
AND IT'S PERMITTED UNDER CODE.
SO THE PROPOSAL FOR IS FOR HUNDRED 80 DAY EXTENSION.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? UH, SECOND.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? IF NOT, UH, UH, I'LL ASK FOR A VOTE.
HEARING NONE, THAT THE EXTENSION IS APPROVED.
THE OTHER THING, I WOULD JUST, UH, TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO GIVE A, UH, MAKE A STATEMENT.
UM, UH, UH, ALTHOUGH I WILL CONTINUE TO
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SERVE ON THE PLANNING BOARD, I DECIDED TO STEP DOWN AS THE CHAIRMAN EFFECTIVE DECEMBER 31ST OF THIS YEAR.THEREFORE, THIS IS THE LAST MEETING, SERVING AS CHAIR DURING MY TENURE AND WORKING WITH FELLOW PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS STAFF, ALONG WITH THE TOWN BOARD CONSERVATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE, ZONING BOARD, AND HISTORICAL LANDMARK PRESERVATION BOARD, WE MADE SOME SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS IN FULFILLING THE OBJECTIVES OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
I WOULD JUST HIGHLIGHT A FEW, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE MANY, UH, REGENERON BIOTECH NORTH AND SOUTH, WE WORKED WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS THERE AND COMMITTEE THE TOWN BOARD, AND ATTRACTED REGENERON TO A NEWLY CREATED BIOTECH CENTER NORTH.
UPON COMPLETION OF THE 1 MILLION SQUARE FOOT COMPLEX, BIOTECH NORTH WILL BECOME THE LARGEST SINGLE PROJECT EVER DEVELOPED IN THE TOWN.
TOGETHER WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT OF BIOTECH AND THE MEDICAL CENTER ACROSS THE ROAD IN VALHALLA, THE REGENERON MEDICAL SCHOOL COMPLEX WILL BECOME A MAJOR, IF NOT THE MAJOR BIOTECH CENTER IN THE STATE.
AND I THINK THAT IS A MAJOR ACCOMPLISHMENT FOR EVERYONE WHO WAS INVOLVED.
THIS PLANNING BOARD WAS ACTIVE AND SEEING THAT THROUGH, WE HAVE, UH, JUST FINISHED APPROVING THE NEXT STAGE OF THAT EXTENSION EXPANSION.
THE OTHER ISSUE WITH THE BATTERY LAW, BEING AWARE THAT THE TOWN DID NOT HAVE ADEQUATE CODE TO ADDRESS LITHIUM BATTERY STORAGE FACILITIES AND RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANT NEW TECHNOLOGY, WE TOOK THE UNPRECEDENTED STEP TO CHALLENGE THE INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE, WHICH RESULTED INTO AN ADOPTION OF A VERY GOOD BATTERY LAW.
I THINK, UH, UH, FROM THE KNOWLEDGE I KNOW OF, UH, BATTERY LAWS, UH, IN THE, IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY, I THINK WE WAS ABLE TO DEVELOP ONE OF THE BEST BATTERY LAWS, UH, UH, FOUR MUNICIPALITIES, WHICH AGAIN, I THINK THE PLANNING BOARD SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF THAT.
THE WORK OF, UH, UH, UH, UH, GARITY PUTS A LOT OF WORK INTO THAT.
I THINK THAT WAS A MAJOR ACCOMPLISHMENT.
THE OTHER THING WAS A CONTINUED CARE, UH, FACILITY.
UH, THE C C F RECOGNIZING THE GROWING NEED FOR C C F AND WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE TOWN BOARD AND THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
WE TOOK A VERY ACTIVE ROLE IN THE CREATION OF SITES FOR C C F WHILE CAREFULLY ESTABLISHING WHERE AND HOW MANY WILL BE IN THE TOWN.
WE NOW HAVE A C C F LAW, SO THIS WILL GOVERN THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF FUTURE, UH, FACILITIES IN THE TOWN.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE CARD DEALERSHIP LIMIT ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF CAR DEALERSHIP WAS ESTABLISHED IN CENTRAL CENTRAL AVENUE.
THIS WAS ACHIEVED BY REQUIRING A MINIMUM DISTANCE BETWEEN DEALERSHIP ON THE ISSUE OF URBAN RENEWAL.
WE SUPPORTED AND SUCCESSFULLY WORKED ON THE REMOVAL OF RESIDENTIAL HOUSES FROM THE URBAN RENEWAL, FROM URBAN RENEWAL STATUS.
THIS ALSO INCLUDE THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SENIOR CITIZEN HOUSING COMPLEX.
THIS, I, I JUST, OR I'D LIKE TO MAKE SOME VERY PERSONAL COMMENTS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR, UH, UH, COMPLEX.
UM, I GREW UP IN A WORKING, UH, WORKING POOR IMMIGRANT FAMILY.
AND REMEMBER THE STRUGGLES OF MY FAMILY AND THE CHALLENGES FACED BY ME AND MY FOUR SIBLINGS, AND WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH COLLEGE.
UH, I, I SAT ON A NON-PROFIT BOARD LIFTING UP WESTCHESTER, LIFTING UP WESTCHESTER.
WORK WITH THOSE WHO LIVE ON THE MARGINS OF SOCIETY AND FIND THEMSELVES WITHOUT ADEQUATE HOUSING OR HOMELESSNESS.
I'M THOROUGHLY FAMILIAR WITH THE SECTION EIGHT VALUES AND THEIR SHORTCOMINGS.
UH, WHAT ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS TO GIVE, UH, THE SENIOR CITIZENS, UH, SECTION EIGHT VOUCHERS SO THEY COULD RELOCATE.
AND KNOWING THE HISTORY OF THIS, I TOOK A PRETTY STRONG POSITION THAT THAT WAS NOT ADEQUATE, AND I WAS THRILLED THAT IT WAS STRONGLY SUPPORTED BY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND SO THEY WENT BACK AND, UM,
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UH, RECONFIGURED THAT.SO TO ENSURE THAT THESE SENIOR CITIZENS WILL HAVE ADEQUATE HOUSING WHILE THEY'RE BEING DISLOCATED.
WHILE THE PROJECT WAS BEING BUILT, WE ALSO WAS ABLE TO CHANGE THE DESIGN.
SO BE BUILT IN TWO BUILDINGS, SO ONLY HALF THE RESIDENTS WOULD LEAVE AT A TIME TO SHORTEN THE AMOUNT OF TIME OF DISPLACEMENT WAS EXCELLENT.
I THINK WE HAD A GOOD PLAN, BUT THAT WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH FOR MONA.
THE MONA SAID, WAIT, WAIT A MINUTE.
WHAT ABOUT THE HANDICAPPED PARKING? AND WHY ISN'T THERE ONLY ONE ELEVATOR IN THIS WHOLE BUILDING? THAT'S RIDICULOUS.
WE NEED TO RECONFIGURE THE HANDICAPPED PARKING, AND WE NEED TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE ELEVATOR IN THE BUILDING.
AND AGAIN, THAT WAS REDESIGNED.
AND THEN WHEN WE THOUGHT WE HAD A GOOD BUILDING, CORRECT, OUR RESIDENT ENVIRONMENTALIST SAID, WAIT, THIS PLACE SHOULD LOOK LIKE A TYPICAL HOUSING PROJECT.
WHAT ABOUT NICE LANDSCAPING AND BENCHES SO THE ELDERLY COULD WALK AROUND? AND CONSEQUENTLY, IT TURNED OUT TO BE A VERY NICE PROJECT THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF BEING BUILT.
SO I THANK MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS FOR THE COMMITMENT TO DO, TO SEE THIS PROJECT THROUGH AND MAKING IT A FAR BETTER PROJECT THAN WHAT IT WAS WHEN ORIGINALLY CAME TO THE SPORT.
WE ALSO TOOK TIME TO, UH, ADDRESS OUR MINOR WETLAND PROJECTS BECAUSE WE LOOKED AT WAYS TO WORK MORE EFFICIENTLY, AND ALSO THE DECREASE THE, SOME, SOME WOULD WOULD SAY THE RED TAPE OF, OF A, OF APPLICANTS.
AND SO WHAT WE DID IN THE MINOR WETNET CASES, WE, WHERE IT WAS A SIMPLE CASE WHERE SOMEONE WAS PUTTING IN SUPPORTS FOR A DECK OR THE, OR THE WATERWAY WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD.
UH, IN THOSE CASES, WE TURNED THEM OVER TO, UH, THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT AND, UH, AND THE WETLANDS INSPECTOR.
SO WE NEVER, WE DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE, UH, THE FORMAL, UH, THE TRADITIONAL HERRINGS.
SO REALLY CUT DOWN IN THE TIME SO THESE MINOR PROJECTS COULD BE DONE.
WE ALSO CONSIDERED LOOKING AT, UH, A SIMILAR PROJECT FOR WHAT WE COULD SAY, MINOR STEEPS UP.
WE DID NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW THAT WILL BE DONE.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED, BUT HOPEFULLY THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE TAKE A LOOK AT AND FOLLOW THROUGH TO HOW WE COULD GET THESE MINUS STEEP SLOPE APPLICATION DONE IN THE RAPID TIME.
UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, OF MY SOME GOALS FOR THE FUTURE, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS, ONE OF, ONE OF THE THINGS I WORKED WHEN I WORKED AT SIBA, I WAS AT THE, I WAS ALSO PART OF A QUALITY AND, UH, UH, TEAM THAT LOOK AT PROCESSES, HOW WE CAN MAKE VERY, UH, IMPROVEMENTS AND SO FORTH.
THERE'S TWO THINGS I TAKE AWAY FROM THAT EXPERIENCE.
THE FIRST THING IS, NO MATTER HOW WELL YOU A JOB IS BEING DONE, NO MATTER HOW WELL THE OPERATIONS OF ANY ENTERPRISE IS, IS ALWAYS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT BETTER.
THE SECOND POINT IS, YOUR PRIMARY GOAL SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON SOLVING THE PROBLEM AS OPPOSED TO FINDING OUT WHO TO BLAME.
THOSE ARE THE, THOSE TWO PHILOSOPHIES.
SO IT'S WITHIN THAT CONTEXT THAT I SAY TO FOLLOW THAT.
UH, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE WAS THAT, UM, EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE STAFF AND THE PLANNING BOARD ARE MAJOR COMPLEX PROJECT, NOT THE DAY-TO-DAY PROJECT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAJOR COMPLEX PROJECTS LIKE THE BATTERY STORAGE PROJECT WITH THE MAJOR, LIKE PROJECTS THAT INCLUDE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, MAJOR PROBLEMS. SO ON THESE ISSUES, THAT REQUIRES A LOT OF STUDY, A LOT OF BACKGROUND.
UH, AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT OUR CODES, WE NEED TO BE INVOLVED WITH THEM AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE.
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WE HAD A VERY GOOD MEETING YESTERDAY WITH HUGH SCHWARTZ, UH, DAVID FREE, OUR ATTORNEY, UM, UH, GARRETT MCCAIN, THE COMMISSIONER, UH, AARON SMITH, THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, AND MET, UH, UH, BRIGHT BRITAIN OUR, UH, UM, ASSOCIATE PLAN.AND WE LOOKED AT VARIOUS WAYS AND THINGS THAT WE COULD PUT IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S EARLY NOTICE ON THESE VERY COMPLICATED PROJECTS, INCLUDING, UH, UH, JUST A HEADS UP TO THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING BOARD TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING MIGHT BE DEVELOPING EARLY ON.
AND THEN LOOK AT WHEN IS THE EARLY EARLIEST POSSIBLE DATE INFORMATION COULD BE TRANSFERRED TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO THEY HAVE AS MUCH TIME AS POSSIBLE TO REGET ALL THE BACKGROUND ON THESE VERY COMPLICATED APPLICATION.
SO THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT MEETING.
IN FACT, AARON HAS ALREADY STARTED ON SOME OF THAT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW ON THE WEBSITE, YOU COULD GO AND FIND AND SEE ALL THE APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN FILED AND ALL THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION, INFORMATION, UH, OF, OF AN APPLICATION.
SO I THINK THIS IS HAVE, IT'S A TREMENDOUS EFFORT ON BOTH PARTS TO REALLY MAKE SURE WE WORK AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE.
SO I HOPEFULLY THAT WILL CONTINUE BECAUSE I FOUND THAT TO BE A VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING.
THE OTHER ISSUE IS ON THE FOUR CORNERS.
THE FOUR CORNERS HAVE BEEN, UH, UH, A RECOGNIZED PROBLEM BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE TOWN BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, AND, AND RIGHT NOW, MORE FINANCIAL, A GREATER FINANCIAL COMMITMENT AND TIME NEED TO BE DEVOTED TO THE FOUR CORNERS BY THE TOWN BOARD.
ESPECIALLY NOW WITH THE, UH, WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE DOLLARS AVAILABLE.
WE KNOW WE HAVE A MAJOR FLOODING PROBLEM IN THAT AREA.
THIS IS A PRIME TIME TO REFOCUS ON THE FOUR CORNERS AND, AND, AND, AND GET AND ADDRESS THIS LONGSTANDING PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE.
UM, THE, THE OTHER THING I WOULD, THE LAST THING I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS, IS, UH, A COMMITTEE THAT, UH, UH, CALLED THE FAIRVIEW EMPOWERMENT ZONE.
UH, SHE HAD BEEN ACTIVE WITH THAT.
UH, JOHN, UH, JOHAN HAS BEEN ACTIVE AND MYSELF AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE, THE GOAL IS TO ESTABLISH BUSINESS IN, IN, UH, INCUBATORS, CO-OP, OT TYPE SHOPS, JOB OPPORTUNITY IN INTERNSHIP, UH, UH, UH, FOCUS IN THAT AREA.
BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEMO, THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND THE, THE INCOME, IT HAS A, UH, FAIRVIEW HAS A WIDE INCOME RANGE, UH, FROM, UH, THE INCOME OF PEOPLE LIVING AROUND THE MANHATTAN AREA TO THE MORE, UH, FLUENT AREAS, SAY A JUNIPER HILL PARKWAY, HOMES AND PARKWAY GARDENS.
BUT IF YOU PUT THAT ALL TOGETHER AND TAKE THE AVERAGE, THE AVERAGE FOR THAT AREA IS THE LOWEST AMONG THE, IN THE TOWN.
SO IT IS TO EVERYONE'S ADVANTAGE TO FOCUS ON THE ECONOMIC VIABILITY, UH, UH, OF THAT AREA, BECAUSE IT AFFECTS NOT ONLY THAT AREA, BUT AFFECTS THE TOWN.
UH, UH, HOWEVER, THAT, THAT COMMITTEE DOES NOT HAVE FORMAL RECOGNITION BY THE TOWN.
AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE DONE THE SAME WAY WE FORMALLY RECOGNIZE THE BATTERY STORAGE COM, UH, COMMITTEE AND OTHER COMMITTEES, UH, THE FOUR CORNERS COMMITTEE.
I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE HERE BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE WHOLE TOWN AS A WHOLE WILL BENEFIT.
UH, I'LL END BY THANKING THE TOWN FOR MY APPOINTMENT AS CHAIRMAN.
I THANK MY THANKS TO MY FELLOW PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, TOM HAY RAGTAG, MICHAEL GOLDEN, KURT DESAI, JONATHAN SNA, AND JONATHAN.
AND A SPECIAL THANKS TO MY VICE CHAIR
I ALSO COULD NOT DO THE JOB AS CHAIRMAN WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF THE STAFF.
DAVID FREE, GARRETT MCCAIN, MATT BRATTEN, AND PATTY,
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UH, ASPIRE, THE OFFICE MANAGER.A SPECIAL THANKS, HOWEVER, GOES TO AARON.
HE IS THE FRONTLINE GOTO PERSON THAT HELPS FACILITATE OUR MEETINGS.
I SPEAK TO AARON SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK AND SOMETIMES SEVERAL TIMES A DAY.
NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS, UM, WE, WE HAVE A DECISION CHAIRPERSON SIMON.
I'M HAPPY TO INTRODUCE THAT TO THE BOARD.
WILL I GET MY PAPER? PLEASE DO.
SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 22, THE DEMIRO PROJECT LOCATED ALONG CROSS HILL ROAD, PO HARTSDALE IN THE R 21 FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT SEEKS PLANNING BOARD WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS FOR PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE POOL, AND RELATED IMPROVEMENTS ON AN EXISTING VACANT LOCK.
THE EXISTING ONSITE WATERCOURSE IS PROPOSED TO BE REROUTED INTO A 24 INCH PIPE AROUND THE PROPERTY AND CONNECTED TO A 24 INCH PIPE THAT EXISTS ADJACENT TO THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE REMOVAL OF 22 REGULATED TREES REQUIRING A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, AND IS PREPARED A LANDSCAPING PLAN, WHICH CALLS FOR THE PLANTING OF 35 TREES AND 10 SHRUBS, AS WELL AS A POLLINATOR GARDEN AS REPLACEMENTS.
THE PLANTING BOARD CONDUCTED A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER AT ITS NOVEMBER 17TH MEETING.
THE APPLICANT HAS CONTINUED TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH ITS NEIGHBOR SINCE THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD.
ADDITIONALLY, ON NOVEMBER 23RD, EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE WAS RECEIVED FROM MICHAEL REATH OF TWO RO AMBO DRIVE, WHICH WAS PROVIDED IN THE BOARD'S PACKAGES, AND MADE PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD FOR THE PROJECT.
I RESPONDED TO MR. WREATH WITH A COPY OF THE APPLICANT'S WATERSHED ANALYSIS.
NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED FOLLOWING THAT EMAIL.
A DRAFT DECISION WITH CONDITIONS HAS BEEN PREPARED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING PRIOR TO CONSIDERING A VOTE ON THE WETLAND WATER COURSE AND TREE REMOVAL PERMITS.
THIS PROJECT DOES QUALIFY AS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER.
UH, I JUST WANNA FOLLOW UP ON THE LETTER BY MR. RE THAT HE WAS QUESTIONING.
HE HAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE CAPACITY OF THE CALTECH TO CAPTURE ALL THE WATER.
UH, UM, AARON, UH, UH, WENT BACK TO THE, OUR, UH, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND ASK THEM TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THEIR CALCULATION.
AND THEY SAY THEY, THEY STAND BY THAT CALCULATION THAT THE CALTECH CALTECH FACILITIES AS DESIGNED WILL ADEQUATELY, UH, UH, CATCH THE RUNOFF FROM THAT PROPERTY.
SO WITH THAT SAID, ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS ON THIS APPLICATION? IF NOT, I ASKED.
I TOLD WE APPROVE THIS BEFORE WE, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
WE HAVE TO TAKE THE VOTE SEEKER.
UH, THAT THIS IS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER SECOND.
AND THEN I JUST, UM, BEFORE YOU TAKE A VOTE ON THE WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, UM, UNLESS, AND I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH, UH, THE CONDITIONS, BUT ONE THING I DID WANT TO POINT OUT IS THAT IT WILL BE AS AMENDED IN THE DRAFT DECISION THAT WAS CIRCULATED.
I NOTICED TODAY, ACTUALLY, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A SEPARATE VOTE FOR THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, SO I ADDED THAT IN.
YOU WON'T SEE THAT IN YOUR DECISION.
IT JUST SHOWS THE VOTE ON THE SEEKER AND THEN THE VOTE ON THE WETLAND WATER COURTS PERMIT, I ADDED IN A SECTION WITH RESPECT TO THE VOTE ON THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
IF THAT'S THE CASE ALSO, THEN PROBABLY THE HEADING NEEDS TO BE CORRECT CHANGED AS WELL.
IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, SITE SPECIFIC OR SPECIAL CONDITIONS.
UH, WE DID JUST NOTE IN SECTION FOUR ON PAGE FIVE, UH, PARTICULARLY SECTION 4.14, WHICH, UM, INDICATES THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL APPLY FOR AND OBTAIN APPROPRIATE PERMITS FROM THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY DEPARTMENT
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OF HEALTH RELATED TO THE INSTALLATION OF THE ONSITE SEPTIC SYSTEM.SO YOU MAY RECALL THAT THEY'RE DOING SEPTIC HERE, THAT THAT AREA OF TOWN IS ON SEPTIC.
SO WE WANTED TO NOTE THAT, UH, 4.15.
WE NOTE THAT PRIOR TO THE SUBMISSION OF THE BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT MUST TO SUBMIT TO THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING FOR A PERMIT UNDER CHAPTER TWO 70 WATERCOURSE PROTECTION THAT RELATES TO THE ACTUAL PIPING OF THE WATER COURSE ITSELF.
SO, UH, AS WE ALREADY KNOW, THE APPLICANT WAS REQUIRED TO DO A WATERSHED ANALYSIS THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING.
THEY DID LOOK AT IT, THEY HAD NO OBJECTION TO IT, BUT ULTIMATELY THEY'LL HAVE TO SECURE THAT ADMINISTRATIVE PERMIT.
AND THEN WE ADDED IN, UH, 4.16 REGARDING, UH, THE POOL WATER THAT IT MUST BE TRUCKED OFF SITE AND DISPOSED OF PROPERLY.
WE DO THAT, UH, WHEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE WETLANDS, WATERCOURSE, OR OTHER SENSITIVE AREAS.
AND THEN, UH, MR. FREE IDENTIFIED, UH, 4.17 THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH SECTION 2 85 DASH 36 G OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH RELATES TO POOLS AND REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO POOLS.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT IN AS WELL.
THOSE ARE, UM, REALLY THE, THE SPECIAL OR SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS RELATED TO THIS PROJECT.
THE OTHERS ARE ALL PRETTY MUCH BOILERPLATE, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE APPLICATION? OKAY.
DID WE TAKE ACTUAL VOTE? SEEK A VOTE.
I KNOW YOU, YOU, YOU PROPOSED IT.
THE NEXT, UH, VOTE WE HAVE TO TAKE IS, IS THE, UH, WATER COSTS, UH, PERMIT.
UH, I MAKE A MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE WATER COSTS PERMIT.
AND THE LAST ONE IS THE TREE, UH, PERMIT AS AMENDED ALSO, RIGHT? YES.
THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA, PB 2118.
AND THAT, UH, IS AGAIN, AS CHAIRPERSON SIMON INDICATED CASE NUMBER PB 2118, THE BATTY PROJECT LOCATED AT 14 PAYNE STREET AND 1 75 WINTHROP AVENUE, P O ELMSFORD IN THE R FIVE ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT SEEKS PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION OF TWO EXISTING LOTS INTO NINE LOTS FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTING NINE NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH RELATED IMPROVEMENTS.
THIS PROJECT WAS LAST DISCUSSED ON NOVEMBER 17TH, AT WHICH TIME THE PLANNING BOARD ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING TO DETAIL THE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD.
I SEE WE HAVE MICHAEL STEIN HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
AND, UH, I KNOW YOU'VE MADE SOME, A NUMBER OF CHANGES, SO COULD YOU JUST WALK US THROUGH SURE.
UH, THE, JUST BRIEFLY SHOW US THE ORIGINAL, UH, UM, LAYOUT AND THEN WHAT YOU PROPOSE AND EXPLAIN WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
SO ONE OF THE PRIMARY CHANGES, UH, THAT WAS, THAT HAD BEEN REQUESTED WAS SHIFT, UH, CHANGING THE DRIVEWAY ORIENTATIONS FOR TWO OF THE HOUSES FROM PAYNE.
ONE WAS ROTATED AND PUT ONTO WINTHROP AVENUE.
THE OTHER WAS ROTATED AND PUT ONTO NORTH LAWN AVENUE.
UH, THERE WAS ONE HOUSE REMAINING THAT, UH, WOULD STILL CONTINUE TO, TO ENTER ONTO PAYNE.
UM, BASED UPON THE, WHERE THE, THE DRIVEWAY'S LOCATED AND THE, THE GRADING THAT IS THERE, THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED TOPOGRAPHY, IT WASN'T POSSIBLE TO SWITCH THE DRIVEWAY FOR PROPOSED LOT SEVEN ONTO NORTH LAWN, UH, JUST BECAUSE WE WOULD'VE HAD, WE WOULD'VE HAD A, A, A SITE DIS DISTANCE OBSTRUCTION, UH, TO, TO BE ABLE TO, TO VIEW WHEN YOU'RE PULLING OUT.
UM, HOWEVER, WE STILL DO HAVE A TURNAROUND ON, UH, PROPOSED LOT SEVEN TO PROVIDE THE ACCESS.
SO IT WAS, IT WAS REDUCED FROM THREE HOUSES TO ONE HOUSE ACCESSING OFF OF PAIN STREET.
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THE PRIMARY, UH, CHANGE.AND THE, ALL THE DRIVEWAYS WERE ALSO WIDENED TO ACCOMMODATE TWO VEHICLES.
UH, THIS IS JUST A, A A A A BLOW UP OF, OF, UH, REPRESENTATIVES OF SOME OF THE LOTS.
SO THESE LOTS ARE ACTUALLY, UM, ALONG THROUGH HERE JUST SHOWING HOW THE, THE DRIVEWAYS ARE WIDENED TO ACCOMMODATE TWO VEHICLES IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE IN ADDITION TO THE ACTUAL GARAGE PARKING STALL ITSELF.
UM, AND I BELIEVE YOU ALSO HAD REQUESTED, UH, AN AERIAL VIEW, UM, OF THE PLACEMENT OF THE HOUSES.
SO THIS IS LOOKING EAST, UH, WITH NORTH LAWN ALONG THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE.
WINTHROP OVER HERE, PAINT ALONG THE RIGHT SIDE, UM, THAT IT THEN ROTATES AROUND LOOKING SOUTH WHERE WINTHROP IS ON THIS SIDE.
UH, PAINT ON YOUR LEFT NORTH LAWN ON THE, TOWARDS THE TOP OF THE PAGE, UH, GIVES A, A REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE IN COMPARISON TO THE OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, AND THIS IS LOOKING FROM PAYNE STREET, LOOKING NORTH WITH, UH, WINTHROP ON YOUR RIGHT AND NORTH LAWN ON YOUR LEFT.
SO THESE ARE THE HOUSES ALONG, UH, NORTH LAWN, UH, HOW THEY'D BE ACCESSED IN, WHERE WERE THE WALLS AND BEING ABLE TO PULL IN, UH, THIS IS THE HOUSE ON PAIN.
YOU'D PULL IN WITH THE TURNAROUND HERE.
AND THESE ARE, UH, COULD SEE THESE ARE ALSO ON, UH, NORTH LAWN.
AND THESE WOULD BE THE HOUSES ON, ON WINTHROP, THEIR ORIENTATION.
WELL, I MEAN, THE, THE OTHER ONES THAT, THAT WERE BROUGHT UP WERE ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR PUTTING IN A DRIVEWAY, A SINGLE DRIVEWAY TO SERVE ALL THE, THE, THE HOUSES FROM THE REAR, UH, FIRST LOT COVERAGE WISE.
THAT PUTS IT OVER ON LOT COVERAGE.
SECOND, THAT ELIMINATES ANY RECREATION AREA THE HOUSES WOULD HAVE.
UH, UH, YOU'RE STILL, YOU'RE TALKING THE, THE LOTS ARE LARGER THAN 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
THEY'RE NOT LARGE LAWNS, BUT AGAIN, IT'S EVERYONE'S PERSONAL SPACE THAT THEY CAN, THEY WOULD HAVE FOR WITH OUR, YOU KNOW, UM, KIDS PLAYING OUT BACK SWING SET OR WHATEVER ELSE.
I BELIEVE THERE WAS ALSO A COMMENT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UH, FROM TRAFFIC AND SAFETY ABOUT IMPROVING THE SIDEWALK ALONG PAYNE STREET, UM, TO BUMP AROUND THE UTILITY POLES.
AND I BELIEVE YOU GUYS HAD UPDATED THE PLANS TO, UM, REFLECT THAT.
SO THERE'LL BE SIDEWALKS ALONG PINE STREET, CORRECT.
THERE ARE EXISTING, UH, THEY WILL BE IMPROVED, UM, FROM WHAT THEY ARE NOW.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO, UH, THANK THE APPLICANT TO LISTENING TO WHAT, UH, THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE WHEN WE HAD THE SITE VISIT.
I, I BELIEVE THAT THE MAJOR COMMENT OF THE RESIDENTS WHO JOINED US WAS, UH, THE ISSUE OF PARKING AND, UH, AND THE ISSUE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
SO BY REORIENTING THOSE HOUSES, UH, I THINK YOU MADE A, A SIGNIFICANT ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.
UM, SO I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
IF ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT, WALTER? YES.
UM, UH, THIS, THIS DEFINITELY IS A MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS OVER THE, UH, THE PREVIOUS PLAN, BUT I STILL WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THEY COULD, UH, UH, UH, MIRROR THE HOUSES WITH A DRIVEWAY ON RA RA AVENUE, BE SIMILAR TO NORTHBOUND AVENUE.
AND ONE OF THE COMMENTS I THINK, UH, MICHAEL SAID WAS THE, UH, SIDE DISTANCE, OR, OR THE CURRENT DISTANCE FROM THE CORNER, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE THE SAME OR, UH, FOR THE NORTH AVENUE AS IT WOULD BE
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NOT HAVE A, UH, UH, SORT OF PROBLEM OF GETTING OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY FOR, UH, FOR THE HOUSE, UH, ONTO PAGE STREET, PARTICULARLY ON A RUSH HOUR WHEN THE TRAFFIC BACKS UP ALL THE WAY TO PAST WINTER AVENUE.AND THE OPTION COULD BE THAT WE CAN HAVE EIGHT HOUSES RATHER THAN NINE, UH, WHICH, UH, WOULD MAKE IT ONE HOUSE BIGGER PROBABLY CAN SELL FOR MUCH LARGER, UH, KIND OF A PRICE.
AND, UH, UM, THE SECOND COMMENT IS THAT IF EVEN THE DRIVEWAY, UH, ON THE PAIN STREET FOR THE HOUSE, HOW DOES THE TURNAROUND WOULD WORK? HAVING TWO CARS PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY? I HAVE TWO CARS.
I, I THINK, UM, UM, THESE ARE POINTS WELL TAKEN.
UH, I THINK THOUGH, THAT WE SHOULD NEVERTHELESS, UH, PUT THIS ON PUBLIC HEARING AND LISTEN TO WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY, AND THEN WE COULD, UH, WE COULD SURFACE THAT, THAT ISSUE AGAIN.
BUT I DON'T, UH, FEEL THAT WE SHOULD HOLD UP GOING TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, ON THAT POINT.
BUT, BUT WE COULD, UH, WE, WE, UH, UH, HOLD THAT AND, AND BRING IT UP AGAIN AT THE PUBLIC.
UHHU, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES.
UM, I ACTUALLY ADDRESSED THE ISSUE OF TWO CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY IN THE BUMP OUT.
UM, I'VE DISCUSSED THAT BEFORE.
YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY AND HAVE IT, AND HAVE THE BUMP OUT WORK.
UH, SO THE HOUSE ON PAYNE STREET, IF YOU WANNA USE THE BUMP OUT, IF YOU DON'T WANNA BACK OUT, YOU REALLY CANNOT HAVE TWO CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY.
AND I AGREE WITH WALTER AT THIS POINT.
I THINK THE APPLICANT'S DONE A TERRIFIC JOB OF BEING RESPONSIVE TO OUR COMMENTS.
AND, UM, I RECOMMEND WE MOVE FORWARD TO PUBLIC HEARING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS AGAIN THIS.
BUT I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT'S NICER TO HAVE MORE GREEN SPACE, BUT IT IS IN OUR FIVE FIVE AREA, THEY'VE MET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT OF, OF THE CODE AS FAR AS I CAN SEE, AND ADDRESSED, UH, ISSUES OF PARKING BEYOND WHAT THE CODE SAYS, WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD THING.
SO I, I, I WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND WE GO TO PUBLIC HEARING.
I BELIEVE MONA HAD RAISED HER HAND AND UNMUTED.
I WANNA THANK THE APPLICANT FOR, UM, ADDING THE ADDITIONAL SPACE TO THE PARKING ON WINTHROP AVENUE.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL IN TERMS OF ADDING ACTUALLY A THIRD CAR FOR EACH OF THOSE HOMES.
ONE IN THE DRIVE, ONE IN THE GARAGE, AND TWO IN THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, THAT'S GONNA BE VERY HELPFUL FOR PARKING SITUATIONS THERE.
UM, ESPECIALLY IF A SECOND CAR HAS TO PARK FOR THAT HOUSE ON PAYNE STREET.
UM, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO FIT A THIRD CAR FOR PAYNE STREET, IF THERE'S A HOUSE THERE, THEY'RE ONLY GONNA BE ABLE TO FIT ONE IN THE DRIVEWAY AND ONE IN THE GARAGE.
SO IF THEY HAVE VISITORS, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PARK EITHER ON WINTHROP OR ON NORTH.
IF NOT THEN, UM, UH, AARON, WHAT DOES THE, UH, AGENDA LOOKS LIKE FOR THIS MIGHT BE? I THINK OUR JANUARY 1ST JANUARY MEETING, IT'S FILLING UP.
UH, I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, THIS STAGE, UM, THERE'S AVAILABILITY FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON JANUARY 5TH.
UH, RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW THERE'S REALLY TWO TENTATIVE ITEMS WE HAVE BLOOM ENERGY TENTATIVELY ON, AND THAT'S PENDING REVIEW BY THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL.
AND THEN, UM, WE HAD THE R M C PROJECT 59 VALLEY AVENUE TENTATIVELY ON, BUT, UH, AS IT TURNS OUT, THEY'RE ON THIS EVENING, SO WE REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH IN STAFF WOULD OKAY.
SO WE'LL PUT ON PUBLIC CARE FOR JANUARY 5TH.
SO WE'LL GET THE NOTICE TOGETHER, AND WE WILL PROVIDE THAT TO THE APPLICANT ALONG WITH THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR MAILING AND PICKING UP THE PUBLIC HEARING SIGN.
STAFF WILL ALSO PREPARE A DRAFT, UM, SEEKER
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DETERMINATION FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION AHEAD OF OPENING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.HAVE A GREAT EVENING, EVERYONE.
AND THAT'S THE R M C PROJECT, UH, LOCATED AT 59 VALLEY AVENUE, P O ELMSFORD IN THE OB OFFICE BUILDING DISTRICT, THE APPLICANT SEEKS PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS, UH, IN CONNECTION WITH ITS PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A CUL-DE-SAC ROADWAY AND RELATED RETAINING WALL ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF A THREE-STORY RESIDENTIAL APARTMENT BUILDING ON A NEIGHBORING PARCEL LOCATED WITHIN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD.
THE PROPOSED CUL-DE-SAC WAS SERVED AS ACCESS TO UNDER BUILDING GARAGES AS WELL AS SPACE FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO TURN AROUND.
THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE IS PROPOSED TO CONTAIN 30 UNITS AND 59 OFF STREET PARKING SPACES ALL WITHIN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD.
THE PROJECT WITHIN THE TOWN INVOLVES REGULATED STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE, AND REGULATED TREE REMOVALS.
THE PROJECT WAS LAST DISCUSSED ON NOVEMBER 17TH.
THE PLANNING BOARD ASKED CERTAIN QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AND ALSO REQUESTED A MEMORANDUM FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
CONCERNING THE PROPOSAL, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR ISSUED A, A MEMORANDUM DATED NOVEMBER 19TH, WHICH WAS CIRCULATED TO THE BOARD.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING, ARE FURTHER DISCUSSED THE PROJECT, AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.
I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO MR. PLEIO AND MR. VO AT THIS TIME.
UH, UM, BEFORE THAT, I, UH, I'D JUST LIKE TO REFER TO, UH, ONE, WHEN I REFER TO, UH, COMPLICATED APPLICATIONS AND APPLICATIONS THAT, UH, UM, INVOLVE A, A, ANOTHER, UM, MUNICIPALITY, UH, UH, THIS APPLICATION FALLS IN THAT PLACE BECAUSE WE, AT THAT TIME, WE, UH, HAVE GOOD, GOOD PROCEDURES NOW, UH, THAT WE, WE, UH, WORKED OUT, UH, UH, WITH, UH, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WHICH YOU WOULD, AS I SAID, WAS A VERY CONSTRUCTIVE MEETING, WHEREBY THIS MEMO THAT WE RECEIVE TODAY, UH, UM, ABOUT THIS APPLICATION, BACKGROUND INFORMATION WE WOULD'VE RECEIVED EARLIER, EARLIER.
SO MANY OF THE ISSUES THAT WE RAISE ARE REALLY, HAVE LOGICAL ANSWERS TO, AND WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE SETTLED THIS ISSUE IN ONE MEETING AS OPPOSED TO TWO.
SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO IN THE FUTURE.
SO, JUST BY GETTING EARLY NOTICE, WE COULD, UH, AVOID A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.
BUT, UH, AS, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT SAID THAT, UH, WE ALL GOT THE LETTER FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTOR DAM, UH, EXPLAINING THE BACKGROUND, WHICH I THINK IS AN EXCELLENT MEMO EXPLAINING THE BACKGROUND.
SO YOU HAVE THAT, UH, DOCUMENT BEFORE YOU.
BUT WITH THAT SAID, LET THE APPLICANT, UH, NOW SPEAK TO, NOW THAT WE HAVE A BA UH, BETTER BACKGROUND, LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THIS PARTICULAR, UH, CASE PV 2125.
I THINK BEFORE WE DO, I'M SORRY, MR. LINDORA.
I SEE MR. FREE HAS HIS HAND UP, AND I THINK JUST WANTED TO MAKE A QUICK NOTE RIGHT HERE.
I, I JUST WANTED TO ECHO WHAT THE CHAIR SAID.
AND, UH, I THINK A LITTLE BIT OF HEARTACHE WOULD'VE, UH, WE WOULD'VE GOTTEN, UH, WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD, UM, AND I'M NOT CHASTISING, UH, ROCCO IN ANY WAY HAD BOTH APPLICATIONS COME.
THE APPLICATION FOR GREENBERG AND ELMSFORD COME AT THE SAME TIME, RATHER THAN STACKING ELMSFORD FIRST.
UH, WE WOULD'VE RESOLVED THIS, AND I THINK THAT WOULD'VE SAVED US HAVING THE SECOND MEETING.
I'M JUST MAKING A RECOMMENDATION, BOTH FOR YOU AND FOR ANY APPLICANTS, IF YOU'VE GOT MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL, UM, HAVE US TOGETHER SO WE KNOW WHAT THE OTHER MUNICIPALITY IS DOING, BECAUSE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF CAUGHT WITH NOT KNOWING WHERE THEY WERE IN THE SECRET PROCESS AND EVERYTHING.
AND WE APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, YOU GETTING BACK TO US QUICKLY.
UM, SO WE COULD GET THIS, UH, ON, UH, AND IT WAS ONLY ONE MEETING, BUT, UH, IT
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WOULD'VE SAVED US, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLE, AND IT WOULD'VE MOVED YOUR PROCESS ALONG A LITTLE BIT QUICKER.UM, WE, UH, WE, WE THOUGHT WE WERE MOVING ALONG IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AT THE TIME BY GOING THROUGH ELMSFORD FIRST, UH, WITH THE IDEA THAT, UH, BRINGING A, UH, A, A PROJECT THAT, THAT MET ALL OF THE NECESSARY CRITERIA FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBURG AND ONE, AND HAVING IT ALL DONE COMPLETELY, UH, DONE FIRST.
UH, IN THE MEANTIME, UM, I HAVE DISCUSSED THE, UH, THE CURRENT, UH, STATUS OF THE, UM, REVIEW FROM THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD, UH, ON, UH, DECEMBER THE SIXTH, WHICH I BELIEVE IS NEXT MONDAY.
THE TOWN WILL, UH, BRING UP THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO, UH, THEY'RE GOING TO, UH, FILE FOR THE, UH, C R UH, AND, UH, ALSO TO, TO DO THE, UM, UH, EXCUSE ME.
UM, YOU'RE GONNA, CAN YOU HELP OUT? YEAH, I'M SORRY.
I WAS GONNA JUST INTERRUPT FOR A MOMENT OR ADD THAT, UH, I BELIEVE, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THE VILLAGE, UH, I THINK YOU SAID THE TOWN, BUT THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD WOULD BE CONSIDERING ESTABLISHING ITSELF AS LEAD AGENCY.
UM, SO THEY CIRCULATED THEIR INTENT TO SERVE AS LEAD AGENCY ON THE SIXTH.
IT'S THEIR INTENTION TO ACTUALLY DECLARE THEMSELVES THE LEAD AGENCY FOR SEEKER REVIEW PURPOSES.
AND IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, MR. VOTE OR MR. SIO, FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN.
I ALSO BELIEVE AT THE SAME MEETING, THEY MAY VERY WELL BE CONSIDERING MAKING A SEEKER DETERMINATION.
AND THE PLANNING BOARD HAS, HAS DONE THAT.
YOU KNOW, HERE IN GREENBURG, WE'VE DECLARED OURSELVES, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DECLARED ITSELF LEAD AGENCY AND MADE A, OR CONSIDERED A SECRET DETERMINATION.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER DUQUE HAS SUBMITTED COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN TO THE VILLAGE.
UH, ONE OF WHICH, OR A COUPLE OF WHICH I KNOW OFFHAND.
ONE IS THAT THE TOWN WANTED TO BE SURE THAT THERE WAS AN INNER MUNICIPAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE VILLAGE AND THE TOWN.
THE TOWN IS NOT INTERESTED IN MAINTAINING THIS SMALL PORTION OF THE ROADWAY OR THIS BULB OF THE CUL-DE-SAC OR THE UTILITIES UNDERNEATH IT, UH, IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT.
UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THAT HAS BEEN, UH, THAT HAS THE PROCESS WITH THAT HAS STARTED, AND THE VILLAGE IS REVIEWING THE DOCUMENT AT THIS TIME THAT WAS SUPPLIED ACTUALLY BY THE TOWN.
UM, AND MR. VO BROUGHT THAT TO MY ATTENTION TODAY.
UH, FURTHERMORE, UH, COMMISSIONER DUQUE RELAYED A COMMENT THAT, UM, THE VILLAGE MAY WISH TO CONSIDER, UH, ASKING THE APPLICANT TO INSTALL A SIDEWALK FOR PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS OUT TO, UH, WHITE PLAINS ROAD, ROUTE ONE 19, WHERE NONE EXIST AT THE PRESENT TIME.
UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS TOWN, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, ITS TOWN BOARD, ITS PLANNING BOARD HAS ALWAYS ENCOURAGED APPLICANTS AND, AND SOUGHT TO HAVE PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS MADE WHERE POSSIBLE.
AND COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE FELT THAT THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE INSTANCES, EVEN THOUGH IT FELL INTO THE VILLAGE.
SO THAT WAS ANOTHER REMARK THAT HE PASSED ALONG.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO RELAY THOSE TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND LET YOU KNOW THAT STAFF HAS LOOKED AT THE PROJECT FROM THAT STANDPOINT AND, AND PASSED ALONG OUR COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE VILLAGE MAKING ANY SECRET DETERMINATION.
AND, UH, AND JUST IN A PROCEDURAL QUESTION ON THAT, UM, UH, WHO IS THE INTERESTED, ARE WE AN INTERESTED AGENCY, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, THAT SECRET PROCESS? ACTUALLY, YOU ARE AN INVOLVED AGENCY.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE APPROVAL AUTHORITY OVER A PORTION OF THE PROJECT.
SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, SHOULD WE BE IN A POSITION OURSELVES AS A BOARD TO MAKE A SEEKER COMMENT? SHOULD WE CHOOSE TO YOU VERY WELL, RATHER THAN IT COMING JUST FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE? I'M GLAD, I'M GLAD THAT HE DID THAT, BECAUSE IT GIVES HIM A HEADS UP.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE, IT IS UNDER OUR PURVIEW IF WE'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON SECRET TO DO SO.
AND I, I CONCUR WITH, UH, WITH AARON, UM, THAT ON DECEMBER 12TH,
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UH, THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD, UH, WILL BE VOTING FOR THE N DECK AND DECLARE THEMSELVES LEAD AGENCY.THEY'RE, THEY ALSO DO HAVE THE, UH, INTERM MUNICIPAL AGREEMENT OR THE I M A, UH, THAT WAS GIVEN TO THEM FROM GREENBERG.
THEY'RE REVIEWING IT, IT, IT LOOKS VERY STANDARD TO PAST, UH, PROJECTS THAT THEY WORKED ON THAT HAD A SIMILAR SITUATION.
UM, AND, UH, THEY INTEND TO, UH, ADDRESS THAT AT THE MEETING ON DECEMBER 6TH AS WELL.
UM, SO HOPEFULLY THAT, THAT ALL GETS DONE.
UM, AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY PROVIDE YOU ALL THAT DOCUMENTATION.
AND LUCKILY MAYBE WE CAN GET ON A, UH, A HEARING SOMETIME IN, UH, EARLY NEXT YEAR.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, DECEMBER 6TH, NOT THE 12TH, DECEMBER 6TH.
DECEMBER 6TH IS THE CORRECT DATE.
MY QUESTION IS THAT, IS THAT A PUBLIC, UH, MEETING OF IN COUNCIL? IT IS.
IS THAT ON ZOOM? UH, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
UH, THEY'VE HAD, UH, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, UH, THEIR, THEIR MEETINGS HAVE BEEN OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS.
SO, UH, IS A, WE ALWAYS WELCOME, UH, PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS FROM ADJOURNING MUNICIPALITY.
IS THAT A RECIPROCAL INVITATION FOR MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD TO ATTEND THAT MEETING? I CERTAINLY CAN'T, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE, UH, FOR THE VILLAGE.
UM, I CERTAINLY COULD FIND OUT.
I DON'T SEE WHY THEY WOULD PROHIBIT, UH, ANYONE FROM THE PLANNING BOARD TO, TO ACCOMPANY TO THE, UH, MEETING.
WELL, YOU WOULD BE, IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING.
IT'S CERTAINLY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
ANY MEMBER, UH, INCLUDING PLANNING BOARD, UH, MEMBER OR MEMBERS CAN ATTEND.
THEY MAY NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE VERY LIBERAL AND WE ALLOW, UM, A MEMBER OF AN BOARD TO, UH, MAYBE NOT SIT UP ON THE DAY, BUT TO, TO ASK, TO ACT AND ASK QUESTIONS.
UH, WE CAN TRY TO FIND OUT, UH, FROM THE VILLAGE IF THEY ARE WILLING, BUT AT A MINIMUM WE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO, UM, OR SOMEONE FROM THE PLANNING BOARD OR, UH, THE TOWN WOULD BE ALLOWED TO ATTEND THE MEETING.
MY QUESTION, SO MY QUESTION IS, YES, I KNOW I COULD ATTEND, BUT IF A BOARD MEMBER WANTED TO ATTEND, SO AARON IS, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD FIND OUT.
AND I'M NOT SAYING NECESSARILY ONE WANTS TO GO THERE, BUT IS THE IDEA OF, OF, UH, EACH BOARD, UH, BEING TRANSPARENT AND COOPERATIVE WITH THE OTHER.
SO I'LL REACH OUT TO THE VILLAGE.
I'LL, I'LL FIND OUT IF, UH, THEY'D WELCOME A PLANNING BOARD MEMBER FROM THE TOWN, UM, IF ONE WISHES TO ATTEND, AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT BOARD MEMBER WOULD HAVE ANY ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE OR PROVIDE INPUT.
IT'S THE VILLAGE BOARD OF TRUSTEES.
UM, SO I WILL, UH, REACH OUT TO THE APPROPRIATE FOLKS OVER AT THE VILLAGE AND COMMUNICATE WITH MRS. PANIO AS WELL.
'CAUSE I KNOW HE GOOD, GOOD COMMUNICATION WITH THE VILLAGE.
SO WHAT, WHY DON'T YOU FINISH, MR. SPENDO, FINISH YOUR PRESENTATION SO WE CAN, AS I, AS, UM, MR. VOTE, UH, ADVISED THE, UH, VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD IS PLANNING TO REVIEW THE, UH, CCRA AND, UM, AND TO VOTE TO BE THE, THE, UH, LEAD AGENCY ON THIS COMING MONDAY.
UH, THEIR DISCUSSION WITH ME WAS THAT THEY WOULD SUPPLY THE RE THE, UH, RESULT OF THAT NEED TO THE VIL, UH, TO THE TOWN, UH, AT THE EARLIEST POSSIBLE DATE.
UH, WE, UH, WE APPRECIATE THE RE THE REVIEW BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
UH, IT, UM, CONFIRMS OUR ORIGINAL THOUGHTS ABOUT THE ACCEPTABILITY OF BUILDING THE, UH, CUL-DE-SAC AND THE, UH, PRIVATE, UH, RECREATION AREA.
AND, UH, WITH THAT, WE, WE HOPE THAT, UH, WITH THE VIL, UH, WITH THE TOWN, UH, PROVIDING THE BACKUP ON THE SECRA, THAT, UH, THE, UH, TOWN OF GREENBURG WILL ALLOW US TO GO INTO A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, TO THE EARLY AS POSSIBLE DATE, SO THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MOVE ON WITH, WITH
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THE PROJECT.SO JUST FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE PLANNING BOARD, HOLDING A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
YOU MAY WISH TO WAIT UNTIL, UH, THE, THE VILLAGE MAKES ITS SECRET DETERMINATION, UH, THAT IS EXPECTED OR POSSIBLY WILL TAKE PLACE ON THE SIXTH.
I WILL DEFINITELY CLOSELY FOLLOW THAT.
IF A BOARD MEMBER DOES ALSO GREAT, BUT THEN I CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THE CHAIR.
IF BY ANY CHANCE THE VILLAGE DOES MOVE FORWARD ON THE SIXTH, AND WE GET A COPY OF THAT DETERMINATION, I WILL REPORT THAT BACK TO THE CHAIR AND, UH, LOOK TO SCHEDULE IT AT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING DATE.
THAT IS AN OPTION IF THE BOARD WISHES TO TAKE ON HOW TO PROCEED.
AND WHAT WOULD BE THE DOWNSIDE THOUGH, OF JUST HAVING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE JUST CAN'T MAKE A DECISION UNTIL THE SEEKER? WELL, HERE'S A QUESTION.
OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN'T MAKE THE DECISION UNTIL THE SE SEEKER'S BEEN DONE.
NUMBER TWO, SHOULD WE BE MAKING ANY DECISION BEFORE, UH, ELMER ELMER APPROVES IT ON THEIR SIDE? THAT'S THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE, THAT THE FIRST ONE'S A LEGAL QUESTION OBVIOUS, THE SECOND ONE ISN'T SO OBVIOUS.
SO I'LL ADDRESS THE LEGAL QUESTION, UH, AND I'LL ADDRESS HERE.
THE, THE LEGAL QUESTION IS WITH RESPECT TO WHETHER YOU CAN OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT YOU'LL KNOW ON JANUARY 5TH WHETHER OR NOT THE SECRET DETERMINATION IS THERE HAS BEEN MADE.
IF IT HAS NOT, THEN YOU WOULD CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING, OR YOU COULD EVEN ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NOT GO FORWARD ON THAT DAY, DEPENDING, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING CO POPS UP, BUT THIS, THIS WAY YOU'VE NOTICED IT AND YOU HAVE IT, UH, IN THE PIPELINE.
SO THAT WILL ADDRESS THE, UM, THE, THE LEGAL ISSUE.
UM, WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER ISSUE OF, OF, OF, YEAH, UH, HOW DO YOU VOTE ON THIS IN TERMS OF SEQUENCING? I'LL COMMUNICATE WITH THE VILLAGE.
UM, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY THE WAY I SEE IT, IT COULD GO EITHER WAY.
UM, BUT I WOULD SAY IF FOR ANY REASON THE, THE TOWN DID NOT APPROVE THE CUL-DE-SAC THAT WOULD AFFECT, UM, THE LAY THE APPLICANT'S LAYOUT IN TERMINATING A ROADWAY THAT MEETS ALL THE APPROPRIATE STANDARDS.
UM, SO WHAT, WHAT COULD BE DONE? AND I, I'VE SEEN IT DONE BEFORE, AND, AND THIS BOARD HAS DONE IT BEFORE, THAT IF IT WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A DECISION ON THE STEEP SLOPE AND TREE REMOVAL, THERE COULD BE CONDITIONS THAT, UH, TAKE EFFECT, YOU KNOW, IF AND WHEN THE SITE PLAN AND RELATED APPROVALS OF THE VILLAGE, UH, IF, IF THEY'RE MADE.
SO CAN WE, IT'S KIND OF CON CONTINGENT.
UM, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
UM, I THINK WE, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON NOT TO GO AHEAD WITH A PUBLIC HEARING.
TRUTHFULLY, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA LEARN ANYTHING ELSE.
JUST GET IT OUT OF THE WAY THIS NEXT TIME.
UM, DAVE, THERE'S NO REASON WE CAN'T CLOSE IT AND JUST LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL SEEKER'S DONE IF IT'S NOT COMPLETED.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC'S THAT THAT IS.
UM, BUT I DON'T WANT, UN, UN, UNLESS I, I DON'T WANNA MAKE A DEFINITIVE DETERMINATION ON THAT, BECAUSE I WOULD WANNA KNOW WHY CQL WAS NOT COMPLETED BY THE VILLAGE.
NO, THIS OPEN THEN, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, YEAH, BUT THIS, THIS, UH, THIS WHOLE PROCESS BECOMING OVERLY COMPLICATED.
WHY DON'T WE JUST WAIT TO THE DECISION OF, UH, EL SORT AND THEN WE MAKE OUR DECISION.
IT'S OVER WITH NOW WE MAKING SO MANY CONT UH, CONTINGENCIES THAT IF THIS HAPPENED AND THIS WILL HAPPEN.
IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, THE OTHER WILL HAPPEN THEN.
SARAH? I, I, I THINK IT, IT SEEMED A LITTLE CONFUSING, BUT IT WAS A GREAT QUESTION.
AND I THINK WE HAVE A SOLID PLAN.
I WOULD SAY THAT THE APPROPRIATE, UH, STEPS FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO MAKE WOULD BE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING, SEE IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC INPUT.
WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANY DELAY ON THE VILLAGE'S END.
I MEAN, WE WON'T HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE WON'T HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR OVER A MONTH.
IF THERE'S SOME DELAY ON THE VILLAGE'S END, WE'LL BE KEYED IN ON THAT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE REASON IS.
BUT I THINK THE VILLAGE IS GONNA WANNA, YOU KNOW, AS THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR PROCESS, THEY'RE GONNA WANNA UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S A COMFORT LEVEL ON THE PART OF THE
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PLANNING BOARD HERE IN TOWN ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT.IF FOR INSTANCE, THERE, YOU KNOW, THIS BOARD WAS NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT, WE'RE GOING A DIFFERENT DIRECTION ON IT, UM, THE VILLAGE WOULD WANNA BE AWARE OF THAT.
SO I REALLY THINK THE IDEA OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING AND IF THE PLANNING BOARD MOVES TOWARDS A DECISION MAKING IT CONTINGENT ON THE APPLICANT RECEIVING APPROVALS FROM THE VILLAGE IS PROBABLY THE MOST APPROPRIATE WAY TO GO.
AND I THINK IT WAS A GOOD SUGGESTION FROM MR. SCHWARTZ.
AND I, I WILL JUST ADD, THERE ARE OTHER, THERE ARE, IF IN FACT, UH, THERE ARE CONCERNS ON THE VILLAGE END, WE HAVE, WE CAN SLOW DOWN, SLOW DOWN THE PROCESS, UH, BY ADJOURNING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WAITING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS HAPPEN IN THE VILLAGE.
THEN, SO WE PUT IT ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON JANUARY.
AND, AND WE DO HAVE AVAILABILITY ON THAT MEETING DATE.
UH, WE WILL REACH OUT TO THE APPLICANT, GET THEM THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE, AS WELL AS THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE MAILING, UH, AND FOR THE POSTING OF THE SIGNAGE.
WE WILL BE IN TOUCH, UH, WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS ON THAT.
SO THANK YOU AND HAVE A GOOD EVENING TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF SCHEDULING, JUST REMEMBER, I THINK BLUE IS GONNA TAKE SOME TIME AT THAT MEETING.
PARTICULARLY IF EVERY, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET THE C A C REPORT, I BELIEVE NEXT WEEK AFTER, WELL, THEY'RE MEETING ON THE NINTH, SO WE'LL PROBABLY GET IT THE 16TH.
SO PEOPLE WILL HAVE LIKE TWO WEEKS BEFORE, AT LEAST TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE MEETING BOARD MEMBERS WILL, AND THERE'LL BE A LOT OF DISCUSSION, I THINK, ABOUT THE CAC C REPORT AT AFTER THE JANUARY 5TH MEETING.
SO WE'VE GOTTA PUT, PUT ASIDE PROBABLY 40 MINUTES.
THAT'S I 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK SO FAR WE'VE GOT BLOOM.
WE'VE GOT THESE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, AND WE HAVE THE THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT THAT IF PRE, IF THEY CLOSE, PRESUMABLY WILL GO FOR A DECISION ON THAT NIGHT.
AND THAT'S, UM, THREE, THAT'S SIX ITEMS. UH, SO THAT'S OKAY RIGHT NOW.
AND, AND WE'VE CONTINUE TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU ON SCHEDULE MOVING FORWARD.
WELL, THANK YOU, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, GOODNIGHT.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.
OKAY, SO NOW WE, UH, UH, BARBARA, YOU ARE SET UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
SO, UH, WE WILL, UH, TAKE A ROLL CALL.
HERE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT, UH, BOARD MEMBER JOHAN SNAGS IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
AND MR. CAMPUZANO, OUR ALTERNATE MEMBER, WILL BE FULL VOTING MEMBER FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING SESSION.
I, I MISSED, UH, AN EMAIL FROM MR. SNAGS, UH, JUST BEFORE THE MEETING SAYING THAT UNFORTUNATELY HE WOULD BE UNABLE TO JOIN US THIS EVENING.
SO I SAW THAT, UH, AT ABOUT 10 AFTER SEVEN.
SO, UH, THE FIRST ITEM ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING IS CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 10 ES LOCATED AT 23 SPRINGWOOD AVENUE, P O LEY IN THE R 7.5 SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO CAR GARAGE, AS WELL AS FRONT AND REAR ADDITIONS TO THE EXISTING RESIDENCE, WHICH REQUIRES STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
THE PROJECT WAS LAST DISCUSSED AS PART OF A PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 6TH, AT WHICH TIME THE PLANNING BOARD ISSUED A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS ON FIVE FIVE AREA IS REQUIRED.
IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT ON NOVEMBER 18TH, THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS GRANTED ALL AREA VARIANCE VARIANCES ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT.
THE APPLICANT AND ITS REPRESENTATIVE ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING OF FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT, UH, TO BRING THE BOARD BACK UP TO SPEED AS WELL AS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. PIUS AT THIS TIME.
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MR. SIMON, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR GUIDANCE, UH, REGARDING THIS PROJECT.
UM, I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE REST OF THE BOARD, UH, FOR COMING OUT TO OUR PROPERTY AND TO GIVE THE VERY NECESSARY, UH, SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU GAVE US TO ALTER OUR PROJECT TO GET YOUR POSITIVE APPROVAL, WHICH LED TO THE Z B A TO GIVE US APPROVAL ON THOSE VARIANCES.
UM, ONCE, IT'S JUST A REALLY QUICK RECAP.
UM, DUE TO SAFETY AND PRIVACY CONCERNS IN OUR CURRENT HOUSE SETUP, WE ARE SEEKING VARIANCE TO CREATE A NEW ENTRANCEWAY AND TWO CAR GARAGE.
WE LOOKED AT ALL THE POSSIBILITIES AND TOOK THE SUGGESTIONS FROM THIS PLANNING BOARD, AND, UM, WE MADE OUR PLANS ACCORDINGLY AND ALTERED THEM WITH INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN.
WE BELIEVE WE NOW HAVE A PLAN THAT IT HAS THE LEAST EN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, UH, WHILE STILL ACHIEVING OUR GOALS.
UM, THE Z B A ASKED US FOR A COLOR RENDITION OF OUR, UM, PROPOSAL.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY ALL THEY REALLY WANTED TO KNOW.
I HAVE ERIC HERE WHO'S A LEAD ARCHITECTURE TO ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL AND STRUCTURAL QUESTIONS THAT MAY HAVE ARISEN OVER THE TIME.
IF, UH, MR. ASH, I'M SORRY, CHAIRPERSON SIMON, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT EITHER MR. PIUS OR MR. DAVENPORT, IF YOU COULD, UM, PRESENT THE PLAN.
GO THROUGH THE COMPONENTS OF THE APPLICATION, MUCH LIKE YOU DID PREVIOUSLY A FEW MONTHS AGO.
UM, JUST TO BRING THE BOARD BACK UP TO SPEED ON IT.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, AND ALSO FOR THE BENEFIT OF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT MAY BE WATCHING OR ON THE MEETING AND MAY WISH TO ACTUALLY ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
UM, SO IF YOU COULD DO THAT, THAT'D BE HELPFUL.
I'LL, I'LL ASK ERIC, UH, THE, THE ARCHITECT TO, UM, SHARE HIS SCREEN.
WHENEVER I SHARE MY SCREEN, IT JUST NEVER WORKS ON MY COMPUTER FOR SOME REASON.
I'M PULLING IT UP RIGHT NOW SO THAT WE HAVE, UM, PICTURES AND DRAWINGS.
THERE SHOULD BE IMAGES UP ON THE SCREEN.
CAN EVERYBODY SEE THEM OKAY? YEAH, YEAH.
SO THIS IS THE EXISTING FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND, UM, SOME OF THE PREVIOUS REASONS THAT WE'VE DOCUMENTED HERE FOR SAFETY CONCERNS AND ACCESS TO THE FRONT ENTRY TO PROTECT PEOPLE ENTERING THE HOUSE, AND ALSO THE VEHICLES THAT ARE PREVIOUSLY PARKED ON THE STREET OR CURRENTLY PARKED IN THE STREET.
UM, THIS IS THE FRONT CUT OF THE HOUSE WHERE THERE'S EXISTING, UM, CONDITIONS THAT WOULD BE REMOVED TO MAKE PLACE FOR THE ENTRYWAY IN THE GARAGE.
AND THIS IS THE STREET DIAGRAM THAT NICK PUT TOGETHER, AND THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS WENT OUT TO, TO VISIT AND VERIFY SOME OF THE DIMENSIONS, UM, NOTING THAT THE AREA IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE, WHICH IS 23 SPRINGWOOD, UM, HAS AN INCREASED ROAD WIDTH AS OPPOSED TO THE PROPERTIES TO THE, TO THE LEFT HAND PAGE, LEFT WHERE THE ROAD IS, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY LESS WIDE AND IN EFFECT GIVES THEM A GARAGE SPACE OF, OF NINE FEET FROM THE, UM, THE ADJACENT STREET CURB LINE, WHICH IS THAT DASH LINE BELOW THE NINE FOOT MARK.
AND SO PREVIOUS PICTURES AND SOME DOCUMENTATION ABOUT HOW CARS, YOU KNOW, LOADED, PULLING IN AND OUT OF THAT PROPOSED GARAGE LOCATION WOULD HAVE ROOM EVEN WITH OTHER CARS PARKED ON THE STREET.
UM, NICK DID GET, UM, VERIFICATION FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, WITH THE TOWN'S HELP, JUST TO VERIFY THAT THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WERE IN, UM, SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT AND DIDN'T SEE ANY SAFETY CONCERNS, AND IN FACT, LIKE RECOMMENDED THAT THIS WOULD BE BETTER, OF COURSE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND THERE WERE, THERE WERE QUESTIONS THAT, I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT, I'M NOT NECESSARILY GONNA GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE THAT WERE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD THAT WE HAD, UM, PREVIOUSLY RESPONDED TO.
THAT ADDRESSED MOVING THE, THE GARAGE FURTHER BACK ALONGSIDE OF THE HOUSE TO ALLEVIATE AT LEAST ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, VARIANCES OF HAVING THE ACCESSORY BUILDING ON THE FRONT, UM, AS OPPOSED TO THE SIDE YARD.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE DID CALCULATIONS TO SHOW THE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MATERIAL AND DISTURBANCE THAT WOULD BE NEEDED THE FURTHER BACK IT WENT INTO THE STEEP SLOPES.
UM, THE RETAINING WALL AND ADDITIONAL WORK FOR, UM, PROTECTING THE SITE
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FROM THE STORM WATER SYSTEMS SEEMED, UM, UH, JUST KIND OF OUT OF, OUT OF, UH, PROPORTION TO THE, TO THE WORK OF A GARAGE.AND, UM, NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES WOULD BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY LIKE THE LARGER RETAINING WALLS TO MAINTAIN, LIKE CONTAIN THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, AND ALSO THE GARAGE ITSELF.
AND THEN THEY, YOU KNOW, NICK AND JOSIE DID GET COSTS, SO IN COMPARISON FOR THAT WORK, AND THEY WERE, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THREE TIMES THE COST OF PUTTING THE GARAGE, YOU KNOW, CLOSER TO THE ROAD.
UM, AND THERE'S ALSO SOME ISSUES THAT WE WOULD RUN INTO WITH THE DECK THAT IS EXISTING BACK THERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TRYING TO COMBINE THE TWO STRUCTURES SEEMED, UM, TO LEAD INTO SOME INTEGRITY, UM, THAT WE, WE COULD MITIGATE.
BUT AGAIN, IT WAS JUST, IT'S, IT JUST SEEMS OVERLY COMPLICATED FOR THE AMOUNT OF OF WORK THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO.
UM, WE DID SEE, WE SEE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SPECIFIC CUBIC YARDS REMOVED, WHICH WE'VE DOCUMENTED HERE AND SUBMITTED, UM, ALONG WITH SOME DIAGRAMS. SO THERE WAS JUST A COMPARISON OF, UM, THE 75 CUBIC YARDS, WHICH IS MUCH, UM, LESS LIKE THAT'S GONNA BE THE STEPS IN THE GARAGE.
THERE WAS, UM, AN ALTERNATIVE.
MOVING THE GARAGE BACK THERE WOULD BE 261 KII CARDS REMOVAL.
SO THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, QUITE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DIFFERENCE.
UM, AND THEN, SO WE'VE, WE'VE SUBMITTED THESE DRAWINGS THAT SHOW THE, THE DIFFERENCE IN THE AMOUNT OF REMOVALS, JUST TO POINT OUT LIKE THE FURTHER BACK WE GO INTO THE STEEP SLOPES, THE CALCULATIONS SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE BECAUSE OF THE SLOPE STEEPNESS, AS IT, YOU KNOW, BECOMES MORE STEEP AND THERE'S MORE EARTH TO MOVE AS WE PUSH BACK INTO THE SITE.
AND SO ON THE LEFT, THERE'S, UM, A RENDITION OF THE PLAN WITH A LANDSCAPING PLAN TO SHOW THE FRONT ENTRY THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HOUSE AND ALSO THE GARAGE ON THE LOWER RIGHT HAND SIDE, THE ROAD, THE STREET, UM, SPRING STREET IS ON THE PAGE BOTTOM.
SO THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE IS PUSHED BACK, UM, AS FAR AS WE CAN BEFORE WE START TO, UH, IMPACT THE EXISTING DECK AND STILL ALLOW ACCESS FROM THAT EXISTING SIDE YARD TO THE FRONT WITH A RECONFIGURED STAIRWAY SO THAT WE CAN ALLOW PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, TO CIRCULATE ON THE, UM, REAR AND SIDE YARDS TO THE FRONT WITHOUT BLOCKING THAT WITH A GARAGE LOCATION FOR THE BACK.
AND THEN THERE WAS, THERE WAS SOME DOCUMENTED EXAMPLES OF, UM, SOME SIMILAR TYPES OF DESIGNS THAT, UM, WOULD DRIVE SOME OF THE DECISIONS THAT WE'D MAKE TO KEEP THE GARAGE CLOSE TO THE STREET.
UM, BUT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT, UM, UH, A HUGE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE C B A COMMENTS WERE LIKE, THEY WERE JUST WANTING TO SEE THE PICTURE OF WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND THE SCALE AND SCOPE.
SO IT WASN'T LIKE A, A VERY LARGE OR OVERSIZED STRUCTURE, UM, NOT TOO TALL ON THE PROPERTY RELATIVE TO THE HOUSE AND THE EXISTING STREET NEIGHBORS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN KIND OF IS IN, IN A SIMILAR SCALE AS THESE PHOTOGRAPHS SHOW.
UM, AND SO I'M GONNA PULL UP THAT DOCUMENT JUST TO SHOW THE, THE ELEVATION IN SCALE TO THE EXISTING HOUSE FROM THE FRONT.
UM, SO THE GARAGE IS AT THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER, UM, SHOWING THE TWO DOORS WITH, UM, THE NEW LANDSCAPING AND STEPS AND RETAINING WALLS LEANING UP TO THE FRONT ENTRY AGAINST THE EXISTING HOUSE STRUCTURE.
SO IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS INFORMATION SO FAR? NO.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ON THIS? IF NOT, I WELCOME QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON THIS, UH, CHAIRPERSON, SIMON, BEFORE WE TURN THINGS OVER TO THE PUBLIC, AS LONG AS THERE ARE NO, UH, ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS, I JUST WANTED TO INDICATE A COUPLE THINGS FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT.
UM, I'M REALLY RECITING INFORMATION FROM THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE AND FROM THE AGENDA, BUT I JUST WANT IT TO BE ON THE RECORD, UH, THAT THE PROJECT INVOLVES A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATION.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES APPROXIMATELY 567
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SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO 15 TO 25% SLOPES APPROXIMATELY 734 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO 25 TO 35% SLOPES, AND APPROXIMATELY 331 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO 35% AND GREATER SLOPES.UM, THE APPLICANT, UM, HAS PROPOSED THE REMOVAL OF ONE REGULATED TREE REQUIRING A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
I THINK THEY'RE GONNA MAKE EFFORTS TO TRY AND RETAIN THAT TREE, BUT, UM, IT'S LIKELY THAT THE ROOT SYSTEM WILL BE AFFECTED TO THE POINT THAT IT SHOULD PROBABLY BE TAKEN DOWN.
SO WE'VE REQUESTED THAT THEY SUBMIT THE APPLICATION FOR THAT.
UM, THE APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY, FAIRLY RECENTLY PLANTED THREE EVERGREENS IN THE REAR YARD, AND THAT DOES SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS, UH, IF IN FACT THEY GO FORWARD AND REMOVE THE ONE TREE IN THE FRONT YARD WHERE THE GARAGE WOULD BE SITUATED.
UH, LASTLY, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE ADDITION OF TWO NEW UNITS TO HANDLE THE STORMWATER RUNOFF CREATED BY NEW IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
AND THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE IN THE FRONT YARD TO KIND OF THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THAT NEW AND REORIENTED WALKWAY.
UM, AND THAT'S ALL BEEN REVIEWED BY TOWN STAFF, INCLUDING THE TOWN'S BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, UH, WHO SEES NO ISSUES WITH IT AS PROPOSED.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THOSE THINGS, BUT, UM, WE CAN TURN IT OVER TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
I DO NOT BELIEVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SIGNED UP IN ADVANCE, BUT, UH, WE WILL ASK NOW IF THERE ARE ANY, UH, MR. DAVENPORT, CAN YOU JUST, UM, UH, STOP THE SCREEN SHARE SO WE CAN SEE EVERYONE HERE? I'LL SEE IF I CAN.
WE'LL JUST ASK IF ANYONE HAS A COMMENT AT THIS TIME.
OTHERWISE, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD BEING THERE.
NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AND NO QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC.
UH, UH, I, UH, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN.
NOW, WHERE, WHAT DATE WOULD THAT SEE AND HOW WE ONLY HAVE ONE MEETING IN, IN DECEMBER.
SO WHAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE DATE TO LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN? UH, UH, I'M GONNA SUGGEST, UH, 10 DAYS.
USUALLY WE WOULD DO A WEEK, BUT I, I THINK GIVEN THAT WE HAVE EXTRA TIME, 10 DAYS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
SO, UM, THROUGH DECEMBER 11TH.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN THROUGH DECEMBER THE 11TH.
SO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND.
SO, UH, UM, WE'LL KEEP THE RECORD OPEN, CLOSE THE HEARING, KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL DECEMBER THE 11TH.
THAT WAS MR. HAY ON THE SECOND.
AND CORRECT WAS RIGHT BEHIND ME.
UM, WE WILL REACH OUT TO YOU IF WE RECEIVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
OTHERWISE, YOU'LL BE IN A POSITION TO GET A DECISION FROM THE PLANNING BOARD AT ITS MEETING ON JANUARY 5TH, WHICH IS OUR NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING.
THE THE NEXT CASE IS PUBLIC HEARING IS DP 2113.
AND THAT'S THE DOGRA PROJECT? YES.
LOCATED AT ONE MAPLE RIDGE COURT, PO SCARSDALE IN THE R 21 FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED RECONSTRUCTION OF AN EXISTING PATIO AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW IN-GROUND POOL INTEGRATED WITH THE PATIO REQUIRING A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
THIS PROJECT WAS LAST DISCUSSED, UH, AS PART OF A WORK SESSION ON NOVEMBER 17TH.
THE APPLICANT AND ITS REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD AND OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
TURN THINGS OVER TO THE APPLICANT AND ITS REPRESENTATIVES AT THIS TIME.
GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MY NAME IS CHRIS
I'M THE ENGINEER WHO PREPARED THE CIVIL DESIGN DRAWINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU.
THE APPLICATION FOR YOU IS FOR A STEEP SLOPES PERMIT AS IN ORDER TO, UH, PROVIDE FOR A REAR YARD IN-GROUND POOL, AND AN EXPANDED PATIO OF AN EXISTING PATIO.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS, AND THE R 20 ZONE IS OTHERWISE ZONING COMPLIANT.
IT'S A 30,000 SQUARE FOOT PROPERTY AT ONE MAPLE RIDGE COURT.
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UM, EXCUSE ME FOR A MINUTE.THE DIAGRAM MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE SEEN IT, BUT THAT WILL REFRESH THEIR MEMORY, BUT ALSO FOR THE PUBLIC, SO THE PUBLIC TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
DID THAT COME UP? YES, IT DID.
SO THIS IS THE OUTLINE OF THE PROPERTY.
MAPLE RIDGE CORNER IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN.
IT'S A CORNER LOT ON FORT HILL ROAD.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE OUTLINE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY IN THE REAR.
THERE'S AN EXISTING PATIO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OBSCURED BY THE NEW PATIO WHERE THEY'RE GONNA REBUILD THE EXISTING PATIO.
IN ADDITION TO THE EXPANSION OF THE PATIO OF THE NEW POOL, YOU CAN SEE THE NEW PATIO IN RED.
THE OUTLINE OF THE POOL HERE, UH, THERE'S AN EXISTING TERRACE, UH, TERRACE WALL THAT RUNS APPROXIMATELY RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS THE LIMIT OF THE STEEP SLOPES.
THE PROPOSAL IS TO DISTURB, UH, 1,050 SQUARE FEET IN THE ZERO TO 15% CATEGORY 2094, THE 15 TO 25% CATEGORY.
BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ONLY APPROXIMATELY 500 SQUARE FEET OF THE 15 TO 25%, UH, SLOPE WILL ACTUALLY BE PERMANENT.
UM, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THIS FOOTPRINT RIGHT HERE.
THE BALANCE OF THE DISTURBANCE IS TEMPORARY.
IT'S, IT'S AN EXISTING, UH, LAWN AREAS, WHICH I WOULD SUGGEST WAS PROBABLY DISTURBED AT A PREVIOUS TIME WHEN THE HOUSE WAS BUILT, AND IT'S GONNA BE RESTORED BACK AT THE SAME GRADES AND AS LAWN, UH, AT THE, UH, COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT.
UH, THERE ARE NO WETLANDS ON THE PROJECT.
UH, THERE ARE NO ROCK OUTCROPPINGS, EXCUSE ME, ROCK OUTCROPPINGS ON THE PROJECT.
UM, WE'RE PROPOSING TO MITIGATE FOR THE INCREASE IN IMPIOUS SURFACES BY WAY OF THE FOUR CALTECH CHAMBERS THAT ARE JUST BELOW THE, THE NEW POOL AREA.
UM, WE HAVE A ROBUST EROSION CONTROL MEASURES IN PLACE SO THAT THERE WON'T BE AN ISSUE DURING CONSTRUCTION FOR ANY DISCHARGE OF THE SEDIMENT FROM THE WORK AREA.
THERE ARE NO TREES TO BE PROPOSED TO BE CUT.
THERE'S AN EXISTING TREE THAT IS GONNA BE SAVED.
UM, THE ENTRANCE TO THE WORK ZONE IS GONNA COME FROM THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY TO THE REAR YARD.
UH, AND I THINK THAT KIND OF WRAPS UP THE PROJECT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD ON REGARDING THIS PROJECT? UM, I, I HAVE A QUESTION.
IN READING THE MATERIALS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, AND I COULD BE, UH, THE CONTEXT WERE DESIGNED FOR, WAS IT A 25 YEAR STRAINER EVENT? IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
I WOULD JUST SUGGEST OR ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER INCREASING THAT GIVEN THE, UH, FREQUENCY OF LARGER STORMS THAT WE'RE HAVING THESE DAYS.
AND GIVEN THAT THE, UM, THE BACKYARD SLOPES DOWNWARDS TOWARDS THE NEXT PROPERTY, WE, I'D BE HAPPY TO SHOW AN ANALYSIS OF THE 50 YEAR STORM, WHICH WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY DOUBLE THE 25 YEAR STORM EVENT.
UM, I HAVE ACTUALLY DONE THAT AND THE COLD TAX HAD EXTRA CAPACITY AND MITIGATE FOR THAT DIFFERENCE, EVEN AT THE 50 YEAR STORM.
SO DO YOU HAVE THAT HANDY THIS EVENING, OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WANNA SUBMIT TO ME? I WOULD HAVE TO, I'D HAVE TO, I'D HAVE TO SUBMIT IT.
BUT I COULD HAVE IT, I COULD HAVE IT TO YOU TOMORROW.
ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, UH, I WOULD, UH, TURN IT OVER TO THE PUBLIC AND ASK IF THERE'S ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS APPLICATION.
THERE, IT'S CHAIR CHAIRPERSON SIMON.
UM, AND BEFORE WE DO, I DO SEE THAT AT LEAST TWO INDIVIDUALS HAVE THEIR HANDS RAISED, SO I WILL, I WILL GET TO YOU MOMENTARILY.
UM, I SEE HERE THAT YOU HAVE THAT 36 INCH TREE AS SHOWN TO BE PRESERVED, HOWEVER, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE AND IN SOMEWHAT CLOSE PROXIMITY TO PERHAPS WHERE SOME OF THE SITE WORK'S GONNA BE TAKING PLACE.
WE DO HAVE, UM, VERY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR TREE PROTECTION.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE AWARE OF THEM.
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ALREADY DISCUSSED THEM WITH THE TOWN FORESTRY OFFICER.I'M HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, SPEAK WITH YOU FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT THOSE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN COMPLY WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS, UM, TO ENSURE THAT THE TREE IS, IS PROTECTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH, UH, THE NEW TOWN TREE ORDINANCE AND THE TREE TECHNICAL MANUAL.
SO WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, UH, AFTERWARDS.
I ALSO JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT, UH, WHILE YOU'RE NOT REMOVING ANY TREES, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE POOL IS ON ONE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, IF YOU WILL, AND I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS EITHER AN ELEVATION CHANGE OR, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD FROM TIME TO TIME WILL ASK IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A SUFFICIENT EXISTING SCREENING BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK THAT AS WELL.
SO BRUCE ACKERSON SHOULD BE, UH, ONLINE AS WELL, AND HE'S THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND ACTUALLY THE AUTHOR OF THE POOL AND, UH, PATIO DESIGN.
AND I'LL DEFER TO HIM ON THE LANDSCAPING AS IT RELATES TO THE GRADING.
BECAUSE OF THE WAY, UM, THIS HAS BEEN DESIGNED, WE BASICALLY HAVE PERIMETER WALLS AROUND THE ENTIRE POOL AND PATIO.
SO IT'S GONNA SET ONTO THE EXISTING GRADE, SO THERE WON'T BE ANY CHANGES TO GRADE OR ANY KIND OF ALTERATION TO THE PATTERNS OF DRAINAGE ON THE PROPERTY.
SO MAYBE BRUCE CAN JUMP ON AND TALK ABOUT LANDSCAPING.
UH, I, I WOULD, UH, REITERATE CHRIS'S COMMENT ABOUT THE TREES AS THE, THE POOL PROJECT ITSELF IS SELF-CONTAINED WITHIN THE, THE RETAINING WALLS.
THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY DISTURBANCE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN OUTSIDE OF THOSE.
SO NONE OF THE EXISTING TREES REALLY ARE IMPACTED BY THE WORK.
AND, UH, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT REMOVING ANY VERY GOOD.
UM, AND, AND IS THERE EXISTING VEGETATION BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE POOL AREA AND MAYBE THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY TO PROVIDE SOME LEVEL OF SCREENING, EVEN IF IT'S NOT EVERGREEN? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE POOL WOULD ONLY TYPICALLY BE IN USE WHILE LEAVES AROUND THE TREES, SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT FROM TIME TO TIME WILL COME UP IN APPLICATIONS SUCH AS THIS.
IT'S MOSTLY, UM, I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN.
UM, SO, UH, THERE IS, UH, SOME, UH, TWO EXISTING TREES KIND OF BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND WHERE THE PROPOSED POOL IS.
AND THEN THIS LARGER, UM, NORWAY SPRUCE, I BELIEVE, UH, IN THIS, UH, LOCATION HERE.
AND THEN MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, A PROPERTY EDGE, UH, VEGETATION GOING DOWN THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF GAP, UH, UNDERNEATH THE NORWAY BECAUSE IT IS AN OLDER TREE.
THE, THE, THE LIMBS ARE UP SOME, AND THEN TWO, I BELIEVE ORNAMENTAL, UH, FLOWERING TREES ON THE SIDE.
SO WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, USING THE EXISTING TREES THERE'LL BE IN LEAF DURING THE SUMMER WOULD BE ADEQUATE FOR SCREENING.
SO I WILL ASK, UH, I BELIEVE MR. BODEN RAISES HAND.
WE ALSO HAVE WILL LEAD ADE AND WE HAVE, UH, MARAT STAN.
SO WE'LL ASK, UH, MR. BOWDEN FIRST, CAN YOU TAKE THE PICTURE DOWN PLEASE? UM, CONSIDERING THE ISSUE OF GLOBAL WARMING AND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SWIMMING POOL THERE, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, HEATING REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT POOL? UH, ONE WOULD NOT USE, UH, FOSSIL FUEL OIL AND CON EDISON HAS A MORATORIUM ON GAS.
UM, MY QUESTION IS HOW WOULD YOU HEAT, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL HEATING REQUIREMENT? AND IF SO, WHAT IS IT? THANK YOU.
UH, TYPICALLY THERE WOULD BE A PROPANE, UH, TANK THAT WOULD, UH, SERVICE A A, UH, A POOL HEATER.
UH, THIS POOL HAS A, UH, AUTOMATIC RETRACTABLE SAFETY COVER.
SO THE SOLAR GAIN ON THOSE POOLS, UH, ON POOLS WITH THAT TYPE OF COVER, RARELY NEED ADDITIONAL HEATING.
UH, MAYBE IN THE SHOULDER MONTHS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY OPEN IT EARLY IN MAY LEAVE IT OPEN THROUGH SEPTEMBER.
YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, HEATING, UH, REQUIREMENTS FROM THE HEATER.
BUT OTHERWISE, PEOPLE GENERALLY, UH, FIND THAT, UH, THE COVERS ARE SO GOOD THAT THEY HAVE TO OPEN 'EM UP TO COOL THE POOL WATER DOWN.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? YES.
AND PLEASE, UH, IF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO TURN ON YOUR, YOUR CAMERA, IF YOU HAVE THAT.
UM, I DON'T ON THIS, UH, ON THIS DEVICE, THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY AT THE MOMENT.
BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE BOARD GIVING US OPPORTUNITY TO TALK.
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MY QUESTION IS SIMPLE AND PRETTY MUCH, UM, A TESTAMENT TO ME BEING NON-TECHNICAL IN THIS.WE LIVE DOWN IN WEST MINISTER ROAD AND, UH, BECAUSE, UH, OF THE WAR AND WHERE WE ARE IN RESPECT TO THE MAPLE RIDGE, UH, THAT THE WATER MIGHT COME DOWNSTREAM, IS THERE ANY CHANCE FOR THE WATER COMING OUR WAY, THE DRAINAGE WATER? THAT'S, THAT IS, AND IF THERE IS, UH, IF, UH, IS THERE ANY MITIGATION STRATEGIES FOR THAT? AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH MY QUESTION, AND YOU MIGHT TELL ME THAT THERE'S NO CONCERN AND I'M FINE WITH THAT.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL ACCEPT THOSE COMMENTS.
DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHERS? BECAUSE WHAT WE'LL DO AT THIS POINT IS JUST TAKE THE REMAINDER OF THE COMMENTS AND THEN HAVE THE APPLICANT ADDRESS ALL OF THE COMMENTS AT THE END.
UH, MR. JOVEY, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR WAS THAT IT AT THIS TIME? THAT'S IT.
DID, DID, DID YOU STATE WHAT YOUR ADDRESS WAS? I DIDN'T HEAR IT.
I'M SORRY, SAY IT ONE MORE TIME.
70 WESTMINSTER 70 AVENUE WEST MINISTER ROAD.
MR. TSAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY, GOOD EVENING.
UM, UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
UH, I AM THE RESIDENT AT 3 7 3 4 ROAD, UH, WHICH IS A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, UH, TO ONE MAPLE RIDGE COAST.
AND I SHARED OUR CONCERN IN WRITING WITH THE PLANNING BOARDS.
AND, UH, OUR CONCERN, UH, STEM FROM THE FACT THAT OUR PROPERTY HAS BEEN FLOODED OVER THE YEARS AND IT, UH, SITS AT A MUCH LOWER ELEVATION RIGHT BEHIND ONE MAPLE RIDGE COURT.
AND OUR CONCERN IS AROUND THE FACT THAT THERE MIGHT BE ADDITIONAL STORMWATER RUNOFF COMING FROM THE PROPERTY DUE TO THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION AND THE PROPOSED SOLUTION WITH FOUR CALTECH UNITS.
UH, WE ARE WONDERING, CONSIDERING THE STEEP DIFFERENCE IN ELEVATION, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'LL BE SUFFICIENT.
UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
CAN WE ASK THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER THOSE TWO? I THINK THEY, UH, MR. BODEN'S QUESTION WAS ANSWERED TO A SATISFACTION.
SO COULD YOU RESPOND TO THE OTHER TWO QUESTIONS? AND, AND I'M SORRY, JUST, UH, BEFORE YOU DO MR. ORIE, I JUST WANNA, UH, NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. STAN'S, UM, EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE AND MEMORANDUM DATED NOVEMBER 23RD, 2021 WAS RECEIVED BY OUR OFFICE.
IT WAS CIRCULATED TO THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, UH, FOR, FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION.
WE ALSO, UH, SUBMITTED IT TO OUR BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, AND IT'S BEEN MADE PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD FOR THE PROJECT, AND IT WAS FORWARDED TO THE APPLICANT AS WELL.
BUT THEN DIDN'T, UH, YOU ALSO ASKED THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING TO TAKE A SECOND LOOK AT THE CALCULATION FOR THE CALTECH, AND THEY SAID THAT, UH, IN THIS CASE ALSO, UH, I KNOW THEY DID IN THE PREVIOUS CASE.
DID THEY DO THE SAME IN THIS CASE? UH, WE DID, WE DID ASK IF THEY HAD PRELIMINARILY REVIEWED, AND IF THE PROPOSAL MET THE CODE, IT WAS, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY DID TAKE A LOOK AND THAT, UH, THE DESIGN AS PROPOSED MET THE CODE.
NOW I KNOW, UH, MR. IC SAID THAT IT MAY IN FACT EXCEED THE CODE REQUIREMENT, AND HE WAS GOING TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION TO OUR OFFICE REGARDING A 50 YEAR STORM EVENT.
AND, UH, WE WILL FORWARD THAT TO THE TOWN'S BUREAU OF ENGINEERING SO THAT THEY CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
AND I WILL REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD, UH, FOR MR. STAN'S INFORMATION AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, EVEN IF THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD.
AND THE PLANNING BOARD CLOSES THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING AND MOVES FORWARD WITH THE DECISION IN THE NEW YEAR.
THERE'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERMIT REQUIREMENT KNOWN AS A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT CONTROL PERMIT, UH, THAT RUNS THROUGH THE TOWN'S BUREAU OF ENGINEERING.
AND THE DOCUMENTATION RELATED TO THAT PERMIT IS OPENED TO PUBLIC INSPECTION.
AND SO IF YOU WANTED TO SEE THE DOCUMENTATION AS IT'S BEING PROCESSED AND REVIEWED BY THE TOWN'S ENGINEER, UH, YOU MAY CERTAINLY DO THAT.
THAT PERMIT HAS TO BE, UH, ISSUED AND, AND IN PLACE BEFORE THE APPLICANT CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH A BUILDING PERMIT.
SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT, TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE APPLICANT.
SO WE, WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN FOR STORMWATER.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, A CONSTANT IN, UH, IN DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WE HAVE MODELING SOFTWARE THAT WAS DEVELOPED
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BACK IN THE SIXTIES ACTUALLY, THAT THE ARMY CORPS DEVELOPED, AND WE USE LOAD THAT'S VERY ACCURATE.UM, IT'S BASICALLY BEEN UNCHANGED SINCE THAT DATE.
AND WE'RE ABLE TO VERY ACCURATELY CALCULATE HOW MUCH RUNOFF THERE IS FROM THE CURRENT CONDITION, AND IN THIS CASE THE LAWN AREA THAT WE'RE GONNA CONVERT TO POOL AND PATIO.
AND WE ANALYZE BOTH OF THOSE CONDITIONS MODELING FOR THE 25 YEAR STORM.
AND IN THIS CASE, I'LL MODEL FOR THE 50 YEAR STORM, WHICH I HAVE DONE, AND I'LL PROVIDE THAT.
AND WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO IS COMPUTE EXACTLY HOW MUCH VOLUME OF WATER IS COMING OFF OF EACH OF THOSE CONDITIONS.
AND THEN WE SIMPLY ARE ABLE TO SUBTRACT THE TWO TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH THE MITIGATING VOLUME THAT WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE GONE INTO THE GROUND IN THE GRASS CONDITION.
AND IN THIS CASE, UH, WE, WE DID SO, AND WE ARE THEN INTRODUCING IT BACK IN THE GROUND IN THE RELATIVE PROXIMITY TO WHERE IT WOULD'VE OTHERWISE BEEN.
UH, I E THE CONVERSION OF LOAN AREA TO, TO PATIO.
SO WE'RE REALLY VERY CLOSELY, UH, IN THE POST DEVELOPMENT CONDITION MIMICKING THE EXISTING CONDITION.
AND, UH, AS I SAID, I'LL BE ABLE TO PROVE OUT THAT THE, THE, UH, THE MITIGATION MEASURES, THE, THE, THE CALTECH UNITS THAT WE'RE PROVIDING HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY TO, UH, PROVE OUT MITIGATION EVEN UP TO THE 50 YEAR STORM SUBSTANTIALLY, UH, ABOVE THE REQUIREMENT OF THE CODE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, BY THE PUBLIC OR THE BOARD MEMBERS ON THIS, UH, APPLICATION? IF I PROPOSE THAT WE CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING, KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL DECEMBER, UH, 10TH.
WE KEPT THE RECORD OPEN TO THE 11TH FOR 10 DAYS.
OH, FOR 10 DAYS ON THE LAST ONE.
SO I'LL AMEND MY PROPOSAL THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL DECEMBER 11TH.
WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND.
MICHAEL SECOND YOU SECOND YOU SECOND.
SO WE'LL KEEP CLOSE THE RECORD AND KEEP IT OPEN TO DECEMBER THE 11TH.
UM, SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
I'LL FORWARD IT ALONG TO THE TOWNS BUREAU OF ENGINEERING AND REPORT BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND, UH, PROVIDED THAT ALL CHECKS OUT, THE PLANNING BOARD WILL BE IN A POSITION TO RENDER A, A DECISION AT ITS MEETING ON JANUARY 5TH.
HAVE A HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND A GOOD EVENING.
UH, THERE IS ONE MORE APPLICATION THAT IS CP 2116.
AND THAT'S THE WALK-IN PROJECT LOCATED AT 29 FAITH LANE, P O LEY, UH, WITHIN A PLANS UNIT DEVELOPMENT, UH, ZONING DISTRICT FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF AN INGROUND POOL AND PATIO AREA TO THE REAR OF THE EXISTING RESIDENCE, WHICH REQUIRES A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
THIS PROJECT WAS LAST, UH, DISCUSSED AS PART OF A WORK SESSION ON NOVEMBER 17TH.
THE APPLICANT AND ITS REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING AND FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD AND OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME.
EVENING CHAIRMAN AND, AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I'M, UH, CHRISTOPHER SCHMIDT WITH LEAD GROUP.
WE'RE THE POOL CONSTRUCTION, UH, COMPANY AND REPRESENTING THE WALKINS TONIGHT.
UH, TROY WAKOWSKI IS ALSO HERE.
HE IS THE CIVIL ENGINEER, UM, ON THE PROJECT.
SO WHAT I'LL DO IS, IS BRIEFLY REVIEW, UM, WHAT REVIEWED AT THE WORK SESSION HERE.
UM, LEMME JUST SHARE MY, SO ARE YOU SEEING THE PLAN OR ARE YOU SEEING MY KIDS? YEAH, WE SEEING THE PLAN? YES.
YEAH, THE BORDER IS NOT COMING UP.
UH, SO AS, UH, AS, UH, AARON HAD MENTIONED, WE SAW AN INGROUND, THE GUN EYE POOL.
IT'S AN 18 BY 40, UH, SO IT'S A 720 SQUARE FOOT POOL WITH AN EIGHT BY EIGHT HOT TUB
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ADJACENT TO THE POOL.AS YOU SEE HERE, WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE REMOVING OR ADDING ONTO THE ADDITIONAL PATIO THAT'S GOING IN THE BACK FOR A TOTAL OF 750 SQUARE FEET.
THE, UH, WE'RE IN FRONT OF THE BOARD TONIGHT FOR A STEEP SLOPE APPLICATION AND APPROVAL, UM, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE POOL EXTENDS INTO THE REAR YARD, INTO THE STEEP SLOPE AREA HERE, OUR PLAN IS TO MITIGATE THE STEEP SLOPE WITH A SERIES OF BOULDER WALLS TO TERRACE THE YARD.
ALL OF THE AREA BETWEEN THE BOULDER WALLS AND BETWEEN THE POOL AND THE UPPER BOULDER WALL, WHICH WOULD BE THIS AREA, UM, WILL BE RESTORED WITH PLANTING AND EVERYTHING BEYOND THE LIVING OF DISTURBANCE.
AND UP TO THE LOWER WALL WILL BE RESTORED TO THE EXISTING LAWN, UH, THAT IS THERE.
NOW, UM, WE HAVE DESIGNED PRELIMINARILY STORMWATER SYSTEM TO COLLECT THE RUNOFF FROM THE PATIO, UM, INTO THESE COAL TECH UNITS HERE.
UM, YOU MENTIONED ALSO QUICKLY BEFORE ABOUT THE SCREENING, SO I FIGURED I WOULD ADDRESS THAT AS WELL.
NOW, THE RESIDENCE AS A FLAG LOT.
SO THERE'S ONLY, UM, REALLY ONE NEIGHBOR THAT WOULD BE VISIBLE TO THE REAR YARD AND DUE TO THE SLOPE, THERE IS NO TRUE VISIBLE, UH, PATH FROM THIS HOUSE INTO THE BACKYARD WHERE THE POOL WILL BE.
ALL OTHER SIDES OF THE REAR YARD ARE SCREENED WITH EXISTING VEGETATION.
UM, THERE ARE A FEW RENDERINGS OF THE POOL AREA ITSELF TO GIVE YOU A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE TOPOGRAPHY AND WHAT THE FUTURE PLANTINGS WILL BE WITHIN THOSE AREAS.
THE END OF THE POOL, UM, WILL BE EXPOSED IN THIS CORNER AND FINISHED WITH A STUCCO FINISHED TO ALSO HELP MITIGATE THE SLOPE THAT'S THERE.
SIMILAR TO THE OTHER POOL APPLICATION, UH, AS WELL AS OUR ACCESS AREA, EVERYTHING WILL BE FROM THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY DOWN THROUGH THE REAR YARD, OVER TO THE, TO THE POOL AREA HERE.
THERE WILL BE NO FILL IMPORTED OR REMOVED FROM THE SITE THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT AS WELL.
AND THAT IS THE, UH, THE PROJECT FOR REVIEW.
I SEE YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL, A BEAUTIFUL DETAILED, UH, LANDSCAPE.
IS THOSE, THE, THAT LANDSCAPE PART OF THE SUBMITTED LANDSCAPE AND PLAN? IT IS NOT, WE HAVE NOT FINALIZED THE ENTIRE PLANTING PLAN FOR THIS.
THIS IS FOR RENDERING PURPOSES AT THIS POINT.
YEAH, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, UH, BUT FOR THE PLANNING BOARD WHO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON STEEP SLOPE, IT WOULD BE MORE ACCURATE IF YOU DO PICTURES OF WHAT YOU ACTUALLY PLAN TO PUT IN.
AS OPPOSED TO AN ENHANCED, UH, ENHANCED, UH, PICTURE.
SO WE CAN PROVIDE THE PLANNING BOARD WITH A, A LANDSCAPE PLAN AND, AND PLAN SELECTION.
ONE THING, UM, YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THINGS IN THE FIELD THAT COME UP AT THE TIME OF PLACEMENT.
SO IF, YOU KNOW YOU HAVE GRASSES AND YOU HAVE TO SHIFT THEM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT CAN BE COORDINATED IN THE FIELD.
BUT AS LONG AS WE HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF, UM, THE PROPOSAL AND, AND A PLANT CHART, UH, WITH SIZES AND SPECIES, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
I DO WANNA PIGGYBACK OFF THAT, IF I MAY.
THERE WAS A COMMENT AT THE WORK SESSION ABOUT, UM, ENSURING THAT, OH, AND, AND CONSIDERING, AND I, I BELIEVE YOU HAD SAID THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED, BUT, UM, SOME POLLINATOR PLANTS WITHIN THAT, THAT PALLET OF LANDSCAPING.
UM, AND I, I BELIEVE YOU HAD AGREED THAT, UH, THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED.
SO I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT.
I, I DID ORIGINALLY, AND THEN UPON, UM, CONFERRING WITH MY CLIENT, ONE OF THEIR DAUGHTERS HAS A, AN ALLERGY, UM, TO BEES.
SO THEY ASKED THAT WE NOT, UH, OKAY.
ENCOURAGE ANY MORE INTO THE BACKYARD.
BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT REASONABLY, UH, REPRESENT WHAT
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YOU FUND PLAN TO PUT IN, UH, IN CONSIDERATION THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS, ONSITE ADJUSTMENTS.BUT THERE WE, UH, UH, UH, LEMME KEEP THE RECORD OPEN.
I, I I WOULD, UH, UH, PROBABLY TO DECEMBER 11TH, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SUBMIT A, A, A, UH, LANDSCAPING PLAN? SO BEFORE WE MAKE OUR FINAL DECISION ON THIS APPLICATION? YES, SIR.
SO IN THIS CASE, I, ME, YES, WE CERTAINLY CAN.
SO IF YOU COULD DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
AND I WOULD JUST, UH, SAY, I THINK WE DO HAVE AT LEAST ONE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, BUT THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
DID MS. RETAG, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THIS PLAN IS NOT GOING TO BE ANYTHING, WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
IF THERE'S A CHILD THERE THAT'S ALLERGIC TO BEES, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY FLOWERING PLANTS WHATSOEVER BECAUSE ANYTHING FLOWERING IS GOING TO ATTRACT BEES TO THE AREA.
SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY FLOWERING PLANTS IN THIS LANDSCAPE PLAN.
WELL, THEY HAD ASKED, WE CAN PUT SOME FLOWERING PLANTS IN, BUT THEY DID ASK US ABOUT VERY MINIMAL, I WOULD ASSUME.
NOT ONES THAT SPECIFICALLY ATTRACT, UH, ANY FLOWERING PLANTS ARE GOING TO BE ATTRACTING THE BEES.
SO I UNDERSTOOD YOU'RE GOING TO BE USING PREDOMINANTLY GRASSES AND GREEN PLANTS.
SO LET'S SEE, SOMETHING OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING THIS LANDSCAPE PLAN IS NOTHING LIKE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE.
YEAH, I WAS JUST MADE AWARE OF THE ALLERGY AFTER THE LAST MEETING.
UM, AND WE HAVEN'T REVISED THE PLANTING PLAN SINCE THEN.
SO IF, YEAH, IF YOU GUYS CAN GET THAT IN WITHIN, UM, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A WEEK, IDEALLY A LITTLE SOONER, BUT BY NEXT WEDNESDAY, I JUST WANNA BE ABLE TO PROVIDE IT, UH, BOTH TO THE BOARD AND TO POST IT UP ON OUR WEBSITE AND THE EVENT, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC FOLLOWING THE PROJECT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AND SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY FEEDBACK BEFORE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD CLOSES, ASSUMING THE BOARD CLOSES TONIGHT AND LEAVES IT OPEN FOR A PERIOD OF 10 DAYS.
I KNOW MR. BODEN HAS COMMENTS UNLESS THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
TAKE THE SCREEN SHARE DOWN PLEASE.
THERE'S ANY OTHER MEMBER, UH, QUESTION FROM MEMBERS OF THE BOARD BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO THE PUBLIC.
YEAH, JUST, UH, WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NO TREES BEING REMOVED.
CUT, CUT DOWN FOR THE, UH, PROPOSAL.
UH, THERE ARE NO TREES TO BE REMOVED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE BOARD? IF NOT, WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE PUBLIC, BUT MISS THE BODEN, UH, BEING THE FIRST SPEAKER.
I LEARNED FROM THE, UH, LAST PUBLIC HEARING THAT THERE IS ADDITIONAL HEATING FOR SWIMMING POOLS AND THAT THE LAST APPLICANT WAS USING PROPANE.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FROM THIS APPLICANT WHAT THE ADDITIONAL HEATING WILL BE AND WHERE THE PROPANE TANK WILL BE BECAUSE, UH, YOU WON'T USE FUEL OIL.
AND THIS IS MORATORIUM, I'D GUESS THANK YOU, COR, CORRECT.
SO WE'LL BE USING A PROPANE HEATER, UM, AND THE PROPANE TANK WILL BE LOCATED, UM, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE REGULATED SETBACKS.
UM, IT'LL BE MORE ON THE UPPER PORTION OF THE YARD TOWARDS THE DRIVEWAY, SO IT CAN BE ACCESSED TO BE FILLED FROM THE TRUCK.
UM, THIS POOL ALSO HAS AN AUTOMATIC COVER SIMILAR TO THE OTHER APPLICATION.
SO REALLY THE HEAT WILL MAINLY BE USED IN THE SHOULDER MONTHS AND FOR THE HOT TUB.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC? SEEING HOW, WELL, THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC.
I PROPOSE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE OPEN, KEEP THE RECORD OPEN TO DECEMBER THE 11TH.
AND DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, THE APPLICANT AGREED TO SUBMIT A REVISED, UH, LANDSCAPING PLAN.
SECOND, WE, WE WOULD ASK THAT TO BE SUBMITTED BY THE EIGHTH.
IF, IF THAT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED, DO DOES THAT GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME? YES, IT DOES, AARON.
WE CAN HAVE IT IN BY NEXT WEDNESDAY.
UM, SO I'LL MAKE A PROPOSAL AND CLOSE UP PUBLIC HEARING, KEEP IT OPEN TO
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THE, UH, 11TH WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE APPLICANT WILL SUBMIT UPDATED PLAN BY DECEMBER 8TH, YOU SAID KAREN? YES, THE EIGHTH.DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT? SECOND.
THAT BEING THE LAST THING ON THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, UH, EXCUSE ME.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GO BACK COURT SESSION SECOND.
HAPPY HOLIDAY HOLIDAY, BARBARA.
OKAY, SO GETTING BACK INTO WORK SESSION.
OUR LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING IS P CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 30 CASAL, UM, WHICH YOU MAY, WHICH YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH BECAUSE WE HAD, UH, THE CASAL PROJECT IN, UH, PREVIOUSLY.
UH, THIS CURRENT PROPOSAL IS FOR PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 34 DASH 40 50 DOUBLE ZERO AND 10 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, PO HASTINGS ON HUDSON, NEW YORK IN THE LI LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT IS APPEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD THIS EVENING AS PART OF A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE TO DISCUSS A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AMENDED SITE PLAN AND PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATION, AS WELL AS A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATION, UM, FOR A PROJECT, UH, PROPOSING THE SUBDIVISION OF EIGHT EXISTING TAX LOTS INTO ONE LOT.
THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING TO MODIFY THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE BY MOVING STORAGE BINS TO MORE EFFICIENT LOCATIONS, ADDING OFF STREET PARKING, ADDING STORAGE LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE SITE, AND RELATED IMPROVEMENTS WHICH THE APPLICANT WILL EXPAND UPON.
UM, THE APPLICANT ANTICIPATES THAT AREA VARIANCES WILL BE REQUIRED FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AS PART OF THE PROJECT STAFF NOTES THAT CERTAIN LOTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT WERE THE SUBJECT OR WERE SUBJECT TO PRIOR SUBDIVISION SITE PLAN AND STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATIONS UNDER CASE NUMBER PB 20 DASH ZERO FOUR THAT WERE APPROVED AND REMAIN VALID.
UH, THOUGH THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLATT WAS NEVER FILED, WAS NOT FILED, UH, STAFF ADDITIONALLY NOTES THAT THE APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED SEVERAL AREA VARIANCES FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AS PART OF ITS PRIOR APPLICATION.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THE BOARD WILL NOW TURN IT OVER TO MS. ROBERTS.
WELL, BEFORE WE SAY THAT, I'LL REMIND THE PLANNING BOARD THAT THIS IS A, A, A, UM, A PRELIMINARY SUB.
OH, WE, UH, PRESUBMISSION PRE, IT'S A PRESUBMISSION UH, UM, APPLICATION.
SO OUR ROLE TODAY OR THIS EVENING IS TO HIGHLIGHT SOME KEY ISSUES IN, UH, IN THIS APPLICATION THAT WE, UH, ASKING, UH, THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS WHEN THEY SUBMIT A FORM FORMAL APPLICATION, SO TO HIGHLIGHT IT SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE PROPOSAL WHEN IT'S FORMALLY, UH, UH, SUBMITTED.
BUT OUR, OUR JOB TONIGHT IS JUST TO POINT OUT TO THOSE AREAS THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY COVER WHEN THEY SUBMIT A FORMAL APPLICATION.
OKAY? SO I'LL TURN THAT OVER TO THE APPLICANT.
AS ALWAYS, YOU MAKE MAKE MY JOB MUCH EASIER.
YOU GIVE SUCH THOROUGH, THOROUGH OVERVIEW PROJECTS, BUT, UM, I'D LIKE TO SAY GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN.
MY NAME IS KATE ROBERTS WITH THE LAW FIRM OF EXAMINE AND STEIN METS.
UM, ALSO WITH ME IS JOE ELLI FROM KARD SESSIONS.
AND WE'RE HERE ON BEHALF OF MR. LUIGI KUS, WHO'S ENTITIES OWN LOTS 34 DASH 40, LOT 50 AND BLO 10 ON SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
AS AARON SAID, THE THE PROJECT YOU SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT FAMILIAR WITH, AS YOU JUST HAD GRANTED PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN AND SUBDIVISION APPROVAL FOR LOTS 34 DASH 40 AND 50.
SINCE APPROVING THAT APPLICATION,
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OUR CLIENT HAS RETAINED OWNERSHIP OF 10 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD AND HE'S ALSO CONTRACT EE TO ZERO ZERO SOUL SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, BOTH OF WHICH ARE ADJACENT PARCEL.SO HE REALLY HAS GAINED CONTROL OF A WHOLE STRIP OF LAND, WHICH WE THINK, UM, NOW COMING BEFORE YOU WITH THIS REVISED APPLICATION TO INCLUDE ALL OF THOSE LOTS.
WE REALLY THINK THAT IT MAKES FOR A BETTER OPERATION OF HIS SITE, BOTH, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT FOR HIS BUSINESS, BUT ALSO JUST FOR INTEROPERATION VEHICLES THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
UM, AS ERIN STATED, WE DO, WE DO UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM STAFF AND ULTIMATELY WE'LL NEED TO RECEIVE A SERIES OF NEW REVISED VARIANCES FROM C B A.
BUT WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR BOARD ALLOWING US TO COME ON TONIGHT FOR A PRELIMINARY MEETING TO GET YOUR INITIAL COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK SO THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE THEM ONCE WE RECEIVE THE STAFF COMMENTS AS WELL.
UM, IF THE BOARD HAS NO QUESTIONS, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO JOE, WHO I THINK IS GONNA PULL UP THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SUBDIVISION PLAT, UM, OR SITE PLAN, AND THEN SHOW YOU WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED NOW SO THAT YOU CAN REALLY JUST SEE SORT OF A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON.
SO, JOE, I'LL, I'LL TURN IT TO YOU IF YOU'RE READY.
CAN YOU SEE MY SCREEN? YES, WE CAN.
YEAH, ACTUALLY, I ROTATED THE PLAN, UH, FOR A REASON.
I WANTED TO TRY AND, AND ORIENTATE THIS SO THAT, UH, WHEN I PULL UP THE, THE NEW PROPOSED PLAN, IT'S IN THE SAME, UH, YEAH, IT MAKES SENSE.
BUT THIS IS THE, YOU'LL PROB YOU SHOULD, UH, I'M SURE YOU REMEMBER THIS.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU HAD SEEN AND ULTIMATELY APPROVED EARLIER THIS YEAR.
UH, THE EXISTING, YOU KNOW, UH, SAWMILL SUPPLY BUSINESS, UH, RETAIL BUILDING, UH, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY, VARIOUS STORAGE BINS AND, AND SORTING BINS, SOME OFF STREET PARKING LOCATED AT THE, UH, THE CENTRAL REAR OF THE SITE AND ALONG THE, UH, NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND IF YOU RECALL, THERE ARE THREE EXISTING CURB CUTS ON THE PROPERTY.
THERE'S A CENTRAL CUT, UH, THERE'S AN EXISTING CURB CUT IN THIS LOCATION THAT IS PART OF THE APPROVAL WAS TO BE REMOVED, AND THEN AN EXISTING, UH, CURB CUT AT THE SOUTHERN END, THAT WOULD REMAIN AS WELL.
UM, ALSO, AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION AT THE TIME, THERE WAS, UH, CONSIDERATION TO, UH, A FUTURE APPLICATION, SORRY FOR, UM, REPLACING THE EXISTING ASPHALT SIDEWALK ALONG SOME RIVER ROAD WITH A PAVER SIDEWALK TO HELP, UH, DISPLAY AND SHOWCASE SOME OF THE PRODUCTS THAT, UH, CAEL SELLS.
AND, AND, UM, YOU THE DISTRIBUTES.
UH, SO THE, THIS PROPERTY THAT YOU SEE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU, THIS IS THE 34 TO 40 AND 50 SAW MILL RIVER ROAD.
UH, AND JUST TO PUT THAT IN CONTEXT, OUR, OUR CURRENT PLAN, AND, AND I SHOULD NOTE, WE WEREN'T INVOLVED IN THE ORIGINAL, AS YOU KNOW, IN THE ORIGINAL SUBDIVISION, UH, PROJECT.
WE'VE SINCE BEEN RETAINED TO DEAL WITH THE, THE NEW OVERALL SUBDIVISION.
SO THE, THE PLAN I JUST SHOWED YOU INCLUDED THESE PARCELS HERE.
SO THIS IS 34 DASH 40, AND THIS IS 50, UH, SINCE THE APPROVAL, THE PRELIMINARY APPROVAL, LUIGI CASAL HAS SINCE PURCHASED, UH, 10 SO OWN, WHICH IS THIS, UH, LOAN, I'M SORRY, THIS PARCEL HERE, AND IN CONTRACT FOR DOUBLE ZERO.
UM, SO HAVING ALL THESE COMBINED INTO A, A SINGLE LOT NOW GREATLY IMPROVES THE OPERATIONS AS THEY EXIST TODAY.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES IN THE USE OR THE OPERATIONS, IT'S JUST FUNCTIONS.
UH, WE THINK FAR BETTER THAN WHAT IT DOES TODAY.
AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, TODAY HE OWNS AND OPERATES UP TO ABOUT, WELL, TO THIS LINE HERE.
UM, WE'VE ESSENTIALLY DOUBLED THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY ENABLE, WHICH ENABLES, UM, BETTER MOVEMENT IN BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES, BETTER INTERNAL CIRCULATION, UH, POTENTIALLY MINIMIZES TRAFFIC ONTO SALT RIVER ROAD.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, REARRANGED SOME OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SORTING BINS AND PARKING SOMEWHAT.
LEMME JUST ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT.
SO WHILE YOU'RE ZOOMING IN, I ALSO, YOU, YOU JUST MENTIONED SUN RIVER, WE ARE REDUCING BY ONE CURB CUT.
SO, UH, I CAN JUST REVIEW THAT REAL QUICK WHILE WE HAVE THIS UP.
SO THIS IS THE EXISTING CUT TO REMAIN.
THE EXISTING CUT TO BE ELIMINATED IS STILL PROPOSED TO BE ELIMINATED IN THIS GENERAL LOCATION.
THIS IS THE CURRENT SOUTHERN CURB CUT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP.
THIS CURB CUT CURRENTLY SERVES DOUBLE ZERO, AND WE'RE PROPOSING NO CHANGES TO THAT.
AND THIS CURB CUT SERVES, UH, 10 SOOMO RIVER.
AND AGAIN, WE DON'T PROPOSE ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THAT.
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THREE CUTS REDUCED TO TWO IS NOW, UH, FIVE CUTS REDUCED TO FOUR.THE, UM, THE PRIOR SITE PLAN, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDINGS DON'T CHANGE THE PARKING WE RECONFIGURED SLIGHTLY.
THERE WERE A TOTAL OF EIGHT PARKING SPACES IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY OF THE EXISTING RETAIL BUILDING.
THERE WERE SIX ALONG THIS STRETCH HERE, AND THEN, UH, SORTING BINS.
SO WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING, UH, WE, WE MOVED, THERE WERE TWO ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
WE MOVED ONE OF THE SPACES TO PROVIDE THREE ON THE NORTH SIDE WITH ADEQUATE ACCESS ALONG THE, THE FRONT AND INTO THE SITE, PROVIDED AN A D A ACCESSIBLE SPACE, AND THEN A, A FIFTH SPACE IN THIS LOCATION.
AND THEN, BECAUSE WE'VE ELONGATED THE SITE AND, AND THE, UH, THE USE, THIS SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE USED PRIMARILY TO DISPLAY STONE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPE MATERIALS.
SO THE IDEA WAS TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING HERE SO THAT A CUSTOMER COMING IN COULD PARK AND, AND WALK THROUGH THIS DISPLAY AREA TO SEE THE VARIOUS MATERIALS THAT THEY HAVE AVAILABLE TO THEM, AND THEN ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, MAKE THEIR WAY THROUGH THE YARD TO THE RETAIL STORE.
OR OBVIOUSLY IF THEY HAD TO OR WANTED TO, THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, GET BACK IN THEIR VEHICLE AND LEAVE THE SITE.
UM, WE'RE ALSO WITH THIS PLAN, PROVIDING THIS INTERNAL CONNECTION.
UH, RIGHT NOW THIS LOT NUMBER 10 IS ESSENTIALLY PAVED IN ITS ENTIRETY.
UH, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO EXPAND THAT AT ALL OR, OR MODIFY THAT IN ANY WAY EXCEPT TO CREATE THIS DRIVEWAY CONNECTION BETWEEN 10 THROUGH ZERO INTO 40, UH, 34, 40 AND 50.
UH, THERE'S ABOUT AN EIGHT FOOT CHANGE IN GRADE FROM THIS LOT TO THE, THE LOWER LOTS HERE.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING A, A DRIVEWAY CONNECTION, JUST A, A SUBTLE RAMP FROM THE UPPER ELEVATION DOWN THROUGH THE SITE.
UH, WE REACH EXISTING GRADE, YOU KNOW, IN SOMEWHERE IN THIS AREA HERE BEFORE WE EVEN GET, UH, BY THE ACCESS GATES.
UM, AND THAT'LL AGAIN PROVIDE A NICE INTERNAL, UM, CONNECTION BETWEEN ALL THE PROPERTIES, UH, BOTH FOR CUSTOMER USE AND FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, ANY INTERNAL CIRCULATION BY THE, UH, BY THE OWNER.
UM, WE PROVIDED ENOUGH SPACE FOR FIVE, UM, OVERNIGHT TRUCK PARKING.
SO HE'S GOT SOME SMALL EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW, SMALL DUMP TRUCKS OR WHATNOT.
UM, TRAILERS THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PARK HERE AT NIGHT, OBVIOUSLY DURING THE DAY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE OUT OF THE SITE, THEY'RE ON JOB SITES.
UH, SO THAT WOULD OPEN UP THE AREA FOR THE, UM, CUSTOMER PARKING.
UH, AND AGAIN, IT, IT IS REALLY JUST A MATTER OF REARRANGING THE SITE, UTILIZING THE ADDED LOT AREA TO BETTER, UM, SITUATE STORAGE BINS, MATERIAL STORAGE, OUTDOOR DISPLAY AREAS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE.
UM, AND WE ARE PROPOSING TWO STORAGE SHEDS.
UH, ONE BEHIND THE EXISTING ACCESSORY BUILDING, ABOUT 20 BY 40 IN SIZE AND A SECOND, UM, IN THE CENTRAL AREA OF WHAT IS NOW 10.
UH, AND THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 28 BY 50 FEET IN SIZE.
AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, FOR STORAGE OF, UM, MATERIALS, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE RETAIL STORE, STONE SAND, UM, PALLETS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE AND, AND SUCH.
SO, UH, WE DID LOOK AT, UM, I GUESS I'LL JUST LOOK BRIEFLY THROUGH THE SET HERE.
UH, WE, WE ARE DISTURBING AS YOU, AS YOU SAW ON THE FIRST PLAN HERE.
THERE IS SOME SLIGHT OR MINIMAL DISTURBANCES TO STEEP SLOPES, UH, VARIOUS RANGES.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE DETAILS OF THAT YET.
UH, BUT THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE LOT IS DISTURBED AND EITHER DEVELOPED OR DEVELOPED RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE APP CALL IT EXPANDED AREAS THAT WE'RE DISTURBING.
THERE'S A SLIGHT, UH, EXPANSION HERE TO PROVIDE THE ADDED PARKING.
WE ARE, UH, THIS IS ALREADY A DISTURBED AREA USED FOR STORAGE.
THERE'S A, UH, A RAMP THAT, UH, RUNS ALONG THE BACK OF THIS BUILDING TO PROVIDE A CONNECTION TO THE PARKING LOT HERE WITH THE, THE LOWER LOT.
WE'RE GOING TO, UH, OR WE'RE PROPOSING TO REGRADE THIS TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, SHIFT THESE STORAGE BINS TO BETTER, UM, ORIENTATE AND, AND LAY OUT THE PARKING FOR THE RETAIL SPACE.
AND THEN OF COURSE, AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S THE DRIVEWAY CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO LOTS.
SO THERE'LL BE SOME DISTURBANCE IN THIS AREA HERE.
UM, THESE ARE JUST ENLARGED VERSIONS OF THAT PLAN.
UH, WE DID DO, UH, WE PREPARED AN EROSION CENTER CONTROL PLAN, OBVIOUSLY, TO, TO PROTECT THE SITE DURING CONSTRUCTION.
AND WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE, UH, TURNING MOVEMENTS THAT WERE APPROVED OR, OR REVIEWED AND APPROVED DURING THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN AND SUBDIVISION
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AND EXPANDED IT TO INCLUDE THE NEW LOTS THAT HAVE RECENTLY BEEN ADDED TO THE SITE.UH, WE USE THE SAME DESIGN GUIDELINES AND, UH, AND PROTOCOL THAT WAS, UH, DONE IN THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
AND YOU'LL SEE HERE, UH, IN RED ARE THE TURNING MOVEMENTS, I'M SORRY, IN BLUE ARE THE TURNING MOVEMENTS INTO THE SITE, BOTH LEFT AND RIGHT FROM SOWA ROAD INTO THE, EACH OF THE CURB CUTS.
UM, AND THEN IN RED ARE THE EXITING LANES, RED AND GREEN, RED BEING RIGHT, TURNOUT, LEFT BEING, OR GREEN RATHER BEING LEFT TURNOUT.
UH, AND IN EVERY INSTANCE, UH, WE'VE DEMONSTRATED FOR TWO VEHICLE SIZES, SINGLE UNIT, 40 FOOT TRUCK, AND A WB 40 THAT, UH, THERE ARE NO CONFLICTS.
UH, THE TURNING RADIUSS WORK FINE FOR ALL, ALL CONDITIONS, ALL SCENARIOS, UH, FOR BOTH VEHICLES.
WE'VE ALSO, UM, IN THE AERIAL IMAGE UP ABOVE, WE ARE DEMONSTRATING THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE STOPPING SITE AND INTERSECTION DISTANCE SITE DISTANCES, AGAIN FOR ALL, UH, CURB CUTS IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY STAFF WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT AND, AND, UH, COMPARE THAT TO THE, THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
BUT WE, WE FEEL THAT, UM, TRUCK MANEUVERING INTO AND OUT OF THE SITE AS WELL AS THROUGH THE SITE AND, AND THE SITE DISTANCES REQUIRED AT THE INTERSECTION, UM, YOU KNOW, METER EXCEED ALLOWABLE LIMITS.
UH, WE'RE REMOVING A TOTAL OF SEVEN TREES.
WE HAVE RECEIVED INITIAL COMMENTS FROM TOWN STAFF ON OUR TREE PERMIT APPLICATION, AND WE UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO RARE AN ARBORIST.
UM, AARON, I'M, I'M WORKING WITH THE CLIENT TO POTENTIALLY HIRE DAVIES WHO WE WORKED WITH, UM, THE, UM, NATIONAL WOUND SAFETY FOUNDATION PROJECT.
I, I THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE VERY THOROUGH, UM, AND PROFESSIONAL.
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CLIENT TO POTENTIALLY BRING 'EM ON BOARD AND YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AS MANY TREES, IT'S ONLY SEVEN TREES, BUT STILL, UM, SO WE'LL, WE'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED ON THAT.
YEAH, THEY, THEY DID A WONDERFUL JOB ON THAT PRIOR APPLICATION AND, UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THEM IF IN FACT THEY'RE BROUGHT ON BOARD.
AND, AND ALL, ALL SEVEN OF THE TREES BEING PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL ARE LOCATED ON THE, THE DOUBLE ZERO LOT.
AND IT'S, IT'S IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THAT INTERNAL CONNECTION BETWEEN WHAT IS NOW 10 AND THE REMAINING SITE, I, I WOULDN'T DOUBT THAT'S AT LEAST SOME OF THEM ARE INVASIVE NORWAY MAPLES.
THERE'S NOT A WHOLE HECK OF A LOT OF VEGETATION DOWN, UH, BETWEEN AND WITHIN THOSE LOTS.
UM, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO, YEAH, NO, IT'S VERY SPARSE, IF ANY, IF AT THE ALONG THE REAR LOT LINE AND EVEN THAT IS FAIRLY LIMITED.
THERE'S, THERE'S NOT MUCH, IF ANY, ALONG 34, 40 AND 50.
UM, THERE MAY BE SOME AT THE REAR OF DOUBLE ZERO.
A LOT OF THE VEGETATION YOU SEE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT AERIALS IS THE REAR YARDS OF THE PROPERTIES ON HEATH PLACE.
UM, JOE, I I THINK IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER PARTICULAR DETAILS YOU WANNA GO THROUGH, I'D LOVE TO GET BOARD'S INITIAL COMMENTS.
I KNOW WE WANTED TO KEEP IT PRETTY, IT'S PRELIMINARY AND IT'S, UH, WELL, IT'S EARLIER THAN I EXPECTED WE WOULD BE ON, BUT STILL.
UM, SO WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE IT TO THE BOARD FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
I HAVE A SERIOUS QUESTION, BUT FIRST I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE, UH, OTHER BOARD MEMBERS BEFORE, UH, I, UH, HAVE MY SUGGESTIONS OF SOME OF THE THINGS YOU NEED TO LOOK AT.
IS ANY, WELL, AARON HAS HIS HAND UP FIRST.
UH, ALL I WANTED TO SAY AHEAD OF TIME BEFORE ANY, UM, MEMBERS HAD QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS WAS THAT, UM, KNOWING THAT WE HAD THE PRIOR APPLICATION REVIEWED BY, UH, JOHN CANNING OF KINLEY HORN, UH, WE HAVE ALREADY NOTIFIED HIS OFFICE OF THIS PROPOSAL AND THEY WILL BE BROUGHT ON BOARD.
IN FACT, WE'VE SENT SOME PRELIMINARY MATERIALS ALONG TO, UH, MR. CANNINGS OFFICE.
SO I JUST WANTED THE BOARD TO BE AWARE THAT WE'RE ON TOP OF THAT AND WE CAN EXPECT REPORTS, FEEDBACK AND, AND EVEN UH, TESTIMONY AS THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD INTO A, A FORMAL STAGE.
I THINK MR. HAY HAD A QUESTION.
YOU JUST ELIMINATED MY FIRST QUESTION.
AARON, CAN YOU ASK MINE TOO, MY VOICE IS NOT SO GREAT.
UM, GIVEN THAT YOU STATED THAT THE, YOU KNOW, LOT IS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER, IT, I BELIEVE YOU STILL ONLY GOT EIGHT PARKING SPACES, IS THAT CORRECT? IT WAS EIGHT BEFORE, YES.
AND IT'S EIGHT NOW, CORRECT? YEAH, THAT'S TRUE.
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THE, THE REASON THAT EXPANDED PARKING WASN'T LOOKED INTO WAS, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH WE'VE EXPANDED AS FAR AS, I MEAN SQUARE FOOTAGE GOES, I DON'T THINK THE ACTUAL OPERATION, IS HE INCREASING INVENTORY JOE OR IS HE JUST SPREADING THINGS OUT OVER THE LOTS? UM, WELL I WOULD IMAGINE THERE'D BE A COMBINATION OF BOTH, BUT IT'S, IT, I'M SURE YOU'VE BEEN BY THE SITE TODAY, YOU KNOW, AS, AS IT OPERATES CURRENTLY, IT, IT'S VERY, UH, VERY CONSTRAINED THAT HE'S GOT A LOT GOING ON AND A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE.SO, UH, PICKING UP THESE ADDITIONAL LOTS CERTAINLY ALLOWS HIM TO SPREAD OUT A LITTLE BIT AND, AND WORK A LITTLE BIT MORE HUMANE, UH, AND NOT HAVE EVERYTHING ON TOP OF EVERYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, HE IS GOT TRUCKS AND, AND SORTING BINS AND MATERIAL IN SUCH A TIGHT AREA THAT HE JUST, HE REALLY JUST NEEDS TO SPREAD OUT A LITTLE BIT AND GIVE HIMSELF SOME BREATHING ROOM.
SO I DON'T THINK THE, I DON'T THINK IT'S A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, INCREASING, UM, CERTAINLY NOT INCREASING OPERATIONS.
UH, IT'S REALLY JUST A MATTER OF FUNCTIONING MORE EFFICIENTLY.
WELL, GIVEN WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THAT IS MY CONCERN FROM, YOU KNOW, BEING THE HOMEOWNER AND VISITING SOME OF THESE THINGS.
SOMETIMES ON THE WEEKENDS, YOU KNOW, YOU GET A LITTLE BUSY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC FLOW IS AT HIS BUSINESS, HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD COME AT AT ONE TIME.
BUT IF THERE ARE TRUCKS, UM, RUNNING AROUND AND THERE'S, IT'S NOT EASY TO FIND A PLACE TO PARK IF ONE OF, IF ALL THESE SPACES ARE FULL.
I GUESS MY CONCERN IS MAYBE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SAFE PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO PUT THEIR CAR IF THEY'RE COMING INTO THIS AND IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE BUSY.
'CAUSE BEFORE THEY WERE ALL CONCENTRATED BY THE MAIN BUILDING, NOW YOU'VE GOT THREE ON THE OTHER END, WHICH PEOPLE MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW WERE EVEN THERE.
AND I WOULD JUST WORRIED THAT PEOPLE WILL COME AND JUST PARK IN FRONT OF SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BLOCK SOMETHING ELSE OR NOT KNOW WHERE TO PARK.
SO IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IN, IN MY FEELING.
BUT THE OTHER THING IS, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE VARIANCE.
YOU HAVE LIKE 14 LISTED HERE, SOME OF WHICH WERE GRANTED ALREADY.
IT SAYS DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENT, 23 SPACES, DIMENSION PROVIDED EIGHT SPACES, VARIANTS 15 BEFORE IT WAS 12.
JUST TAKE ME THROUGH HOW THAT ALL ADDS UP.
SO YOU WANNA GO THROUGH PARTICULAR NUMBERS OR WHY 23 SPACES ARE WHAT ARE REQUIRED? I, UM, COMPLETELY WITH THAT, YEAH.
I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF 23 REQUIRED, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS REQUIRED BEFORE.
MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE, UM, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO THE, I DEFINITELY THINK THERE'S AT LEAST THREE MORE OR FOUR MORE SPACES REQUIRED THIS TIME AROUND THAN LAST TIME.
PART OF THE REASON WHY THERE'S MORE SPACES REQUIRED IS AARON AND THE STAFF HAD INDICATED THAT THESE OUTDOOR STORAGE SHEDS WERE ACTUALLY CONSIDERED WAREHOUSES, I THINK UNDER THE CODE AND THEY REQUIRE PARKING SPACES.
UM, I THINK IT'S 1.5 OR ONE PER SQUARE FOOT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
JOE, YOU WOULD KNOW THE DETAILS MORE THAN I WOULD ABOUT THE NUMBER, BUT THAT'S WHY THE AMOUNT OF PARKING IS SO MUCH.
UM, YEAH, I BELIEVE THE ORIGINAL, UM, APPROVAL REQUIRED 21 SPACES, THE PRIMARY SERVES AND WE HAD TO ADD TWO MORE OR BY CODE REQUIRED TWO MORE BECAUSE OF THOSE ADDED OUTBUILDINGS REQUIREMENT TO 23.
I I THINK THE REQUIREMENT FOR WAREHOUSING IS ONE PER THOUSAND.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, THOSE TWO ADD UP TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A HAIR UNDER TWO 2000.
SO THAT ENTAILS THE REQUIREMENT FOR TWO ADDITIONAL SPACES.
IN, IN YOUR FORMAL APPLICATION.
I'M NOT SURE YOU HAVE A CHART OR SOMETHING TO CLEARLY INDICATE THAT AS THE QUESTION ABOUT THE PARKING.
COULD JOE, UM, JOE, IS THIS ALREADY ON THE SITE PLEASE? I WAS GONNA SAY, I THOUGHT IT WAS, YEAH.
MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS THE, THE PARKING SOMEWHERE WE HAVE ON THE PLAN CURRENTLY.
SO WE'VE, UH, SPELLED OUT THE RETAIL USE THE WAREHOUSE USE, WHICH INCLUDES, UH, SO WE HAVE THE EXISTING, RIGHT.
THERE ARE NO PROPOSED ADDITIONAL RETAIL USES.
THE EXISTING WAREHOUSE SPACE IS THE ACCESSORY BUILDING AND THE BALANCE OF THE RETAIL SPACE.
AND THEN THESE ARE THE TWO OUTBUILDINGS THAT WERE ADDED.
SO WHEN YOU, YOU SHAKE OUT THE MATH, WE NOW NEED 23 SPACES AS OPPOSED TO THE ORIGINAL 21.
SO OUR VARIANCE HAS GONE UP BY TWO, WE WENT OKAY.
I WOULD, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER ONE OR TWO MORE SPACES, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE A PLACE, A SAFE PLACE TO PUT THEIR CAR WHEN THEY COME IN.
UH, LAURIE HAD A QUESTION? YES.
SO IN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, I REMEMBER THERE WAS SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORS FROM UP ABOVE AND I ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATION WITH THOSE
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NEIGHBORS BEFORE YOU COME BACK TO US.UM, THEY HAD ISSUES WITH SITE AND WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE PLAN AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO SPEAK WITH THEM BEFORE YOU COME BACK TO US SO THAT ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE DOING THEY ARE AWARE OF IN ADVANCE.
I, I KNOW THAT, UH, I BELIEVE HE HAS HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM FAIRLY RECENTLY, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY TALK OKAY.
'CAUSE WE, YOU DON'T WANT ANY SURPRISES? NO, ABSOLUTELY.
ANYONE ELSE? UM, YEAH, WALTER, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THE LAST TIME THERE WERE, UH, UM, THEY, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY GOT A VARIANCE FOR NOT, BUT THERE WAS A REQUIRED FOR SOME, UM, UH, LANDSCAPING I THINK FIVE FEET OR 10 FEET.
AND UH, I THINK THAT WAS UH, UH, THERE WAS THE LANDSCAPE BUFFERS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY
YEAH, WE, WE'LL BE ASKING FOR THOSE VARIANCES.
I DON'T KNOW IF, IF I SAY AGAIN, ERIN OR, YOU KNOW, MANY OF THE VARIANCES THAT WE WOULD NEED WITH THIS PLAN ARE IDENTICAL TO THE ONES THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY GRANTED.
SO I GUESS ERIN, WE NEED TO HASH OUT ON THE ONES THAT ARE IDENTICAL, WHETHER THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL STILL WORKS OR WHETHER WE NEED NEW, UM RIGHT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEING REVIEWED WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE.
THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED AS THERE'S A FORMAL APPLICATION.
LIKE FOR INSTANCE, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WITH RESPECT TO LANDSCAPE BUFFERS, IF THEY EXTEND, AND I IMAGINE THEY DO INTO THE DOUBLE ZERO AND 10 LOTS, YOU KNOW, YOU DIDN'T HAVE VARIANCES FOR THOSE LOTS FOR THOSE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS.
SO YOU WOULD NEED TO SEEK VARIANCES FOR THOSE LOTS.
BUT THAT'S ALL, UH, IN DISCUSSION.
SO MR. DESAI, WE APPRECIATE THE COMMENT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, IS BEING REVIEWED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AND, AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE REVIEWED AND DETERMINED AS, UH, THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD INTO A FORMAL APPLICATION.
UM, ALSO SIMILAR COMMENTS ON THE FENCING.
UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A, UH, SOMETHING BETTER THAN A CHANGING FENCE ALONG THE, UH, ALONG THE WALKWAY.
UH, I COULD, I COULD SPEAK TO THAT IF YOU'D LIKE.
UH, I THINK AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL, UH, ALONG 34, 40 AND 50, THERE WAS A PROPOSED, UH, WR IRON STYLE FENCE WITH STONE PILLARS.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THAT SAME DETAIL AND CARRY THAT ALONG THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE, UH, AT LEAST UP TO, UH, TO INCLUDE DOUBLE ZERO.
UH, AGAIN, FROM BEING FAMILIAR WITH THE LOT, I'M SURE, 10.
THERE'S A SERIES OF RETAINING WALLS AT THE STREET LEVEL.
UH, SO WE WILL BE INSTALLING A FENCE ABOVE THE WALLS OR, YOU KNOW, SECURITY AND SAFETY.
UH, THERE IS AN EXISTING CHAIN LINK, ROLLING GATE THAT WE'D LIKE TO MAINTAIN, UH, BUT, BUT CERTAINLY THERE WILL BE A DECORATIVE FENCE, UH, FROM THIS POINT FURTHER NORTH.
AND THEN THE EXISTING STONE RETAINING WALLS WILL, WILL OBVIOUSLY REMAIN.
WELL, IS THERE A FENCE ABOVE THE RETAINING WALL? THERE IS, THERE'S, THE ENTIRE PROPERTY WILL BE FENCED.
UH, THE, THE FENCE ALONG THE TOP OF THE WALL.
WE'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING CHAIN LINK, BECAUSE IT IS SET BACK FROM THE ROAD.
IT IS ABOVE THE RETAINING WALLS, AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME, UH, PROBABLY SOME LANDSCAPING IN THESE TERRORIST AREAS OR THE RETAINING WALL.
SO THAT'LL SCREEN THAT A LITTLE BIT.
THAT THAT WAS THE THINKING COMING IN.
UH, WELL JUST, JUST TRY TO DRESS UP BECAUSE THIS LOOKS PRETTY, UH, DILAPIDATED AREA, SO ANYTHING YOU CAN DO, MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, PLEASANT FOR PEOPLE TO KIND OF YEAH, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S HIS, I THINK HIS OVERALL INTENT.
THIS IS REALLY ABOUT KIND OF CLEANING UP THE OPERATION, GIVING THEMSELVES SOME ROOM TO, TO WORK, UH, BETTER AND, AND REALLY KIND OF SHOWCASE AND DISPLAY HIS PRODUCTS AND WHAT HE DOES.
I JUST HAD AARON, TWO COMMENTS.
UM, ONE, UH, MR. CHIMAL, YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE SOME LEVEL OF LANDSCAPING ON THE SITE.
WE KNOW THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SITE IS, IS QUITE A BIT, UH, IMPERVIOUS AND IS GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS APPROVED, A LOT OF OUTDOOR STORAGE MATERIALS.
SO ANY OPPORTUNITIES TO ADD SOME GREEN, UH, ON THE SITE WOULD BE, WOULD BE GREAT.
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I, I DO NOT KNOW IF, IF YOU'LL BE IN THE OP, UH, POSITION TO MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF LANDSCAPING ON THE SITE, BUT, UH, WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS, UH, BOTH WITH STAFF AND THEN DOWN THE ROAD WITH THE BOARD ABOUT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO MAYBE EVEN PROVIDE OFFSITE LANDSCAPING, UH, IN THE VICINITY OF THE PROJECT SITE OR A POSSIBLE DONATION INTO THE TOWN TREE FUND FOR FUTURE TREE PLANTINGS.UM, I ALSO WANTED TO MAKE TWO ADDITIONAL NOTES, AND YOU MAY HAVE TOUCHED ON IT, AND IT LOOKS LIKE I CAN SEE IT ON THIS PLAN, BUT, UM, IN THE PRIOR APPLICATION, THERE WAS TALK ABOUT, UH, MAKING APPLICATION TO THE D O T FOR A SIDEWALK, AND THE BOARD HAD ENCOURAGED THAT SIDEWALK EXTENDING DOWN TO THE BUS STOP.
UH, I, WE CAN NOW SEE THE BUS STOP ON THE NEW PLAN, BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT'S ADJACENT TO NUMBER 10, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT SIDEWALK WOULD BE EXTENDED DOWN.
SO I JUST WANTED, UM, THAT, TO RAISE THAT POINT.
AND THEN LAST, MY LAST POINT, UM, WAS THAT IN THE PRIOR APPLICATION, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
UM, AND THERE WERE EXISTING DRAINS IN PORTIONS OF THE SITE.
I BELIEVE, UH, THE NORTHERLY PORTION, THERE MAY BE A, A, A DRAIN ACROSS THE, THE FRONT CURB CUT, AND THERE WAS A REQUEST TO LOOK INTO THOSE DRAINS, SEE IF THEY WERE FUNCTIONAL, SEE IF THEY NEEDED TO BE CLEANED OUT, JETTED AND OR REPLACED IF NECESSARY, WE WOULD ASK THAT THE SAME BE DONE AND ANY POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS, IF THERE ARE ANY, UM, BE CONSIDERED AND, AND BE BROUGHT FORTH IN THE, IN THE FORMAL APPLICATION AND BE RE RELAYED TO THE BOARD AND REVIEWED BY OUR BUREAU OF ENGINEERING.
YOU HAVE COURSE LOST THREE MORE POINTS THAT I HAVE MORE.
DO YOU HAVE WALTER ABOUT, ABOUT THE DRAIN, THE SIDEWALK AND, AND ALTERNATE ARRANGEMENTS, UH, UH, FOR LANDSCAPING, UH, IS AVAILABLE IF WE CAN'T WORK OUT SOMETHING ON THE SITE, SO, VERY GOOD.
MY, MY REMAINING, UH, QUESTIONS.
IN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, YOU HAD, UH, THOSE, UH, CONCRETE, UM, UH, UH, UH, UH, WALLS THAT YOU USE IN BETWEEN THOSE, UH, WALLS YOU USE FOR STORAGE, BUT THEY WERE MADE OUT OF CONCRETE AND THEY ABUTTED THE ROCK.
AND THE QUESTION WAS, AT THAT TIME, IF YOU REMOVE THOSE, UH, CONCRETE, UH, WALLS, WILL THAT DESTABILIZE THE ROCK, BECAUSE THAT'S STRAIGHT ROCK UP THE HEAD.
AND, UH, THEY DID SOME TEST BURNS AND FOUND OUT THAT THAT WAS SOLID ROCK.
NOW THAT YOU EXTENDING TO THE OTHER AREAS AND REMOVING ADDITIONAL, UH, UH, STORAGE BINS THAT, UH, UH, UH, ARE RIGHT ATTACHED TO THE STONE ROCK, TO THE ROCK, YOU NEED TO TAKE SOME TESTING TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S SOLID ROCK IN THOSE AREAS ALSO.
SO, UH, SO THAT NEED, YOU NEED TO CONFIRM THAT.
THE OTHER THING IN, UH, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, THERE WAS A ROADWAY THAT WAS USED TO GET TO, I GUESS A, UH, A STORAGE FACILITY.
NOW, UNDER THIS NEW PROPOSAL, WOULD THAT, WILL THAT ROAD BE EXTEND OR THAT'S, OR NO, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE THE ROAD YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS, IS THIS AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT WAS IT.
SO THAT, THAT WILL ACTUALLY, THAT'LL REMAIN, BUT IT WILL NOT CARRY THROUGH BECAUSE WE'RE PROPOSING THIS STORAGE IN THE REAR.
BECAUSE AT THAT TIME THERE, IT WAS A SAFETY ISSUE WITH THE BARRIERS.
THERE WEREN'T, UH, WE FELT, UH, SUFFICIENT BARRIERS FOR THE FORKLIFT TRUCKS GOING ABOVE THAT.
AND YOU HAVE THAT NOW, SO RIGHT.
IF YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO THAT AREA IN TERMS OF THAT WALK AND THAT, THAT'S NOTHING THAT WE NEED TO, UH, WORRY ABOUT.
UM, UH, AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT, UH, UH, THIS PROPERTY IS ON A STATE ROAD, SO ALL OF THE, THE, THE DIFFERENCES WITH THE CURB CUTS, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, UH, NEW YORK, UM, UH, D L T AGREES WITH THAT.
'CAUSE EVEN THOUGH YOU REDUCING A CURB CUT, THAT MIGHT NOT BE SUFFICIENT BECAUSE WE RAN INTO A, A SITUATION ON ANOTHER PROJECT THAT, UH,
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THAT THEY WERE REDUCING THE CURB CUTS, BUT THE D O T FELT THAT THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE IT EVEN MORE.SO YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET THE FEEDBACK FROM THE D L T AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE.
SO THAT DOES NOT DELAY THE PROJECT.
WE'VE ACTUALLY ALREADY, WHEN WE MADE THIS APPLICATION, THE, UH, THAT SAME WEEK WE SUBMITTED THIS PLAN OR, OR SENT IT INFORMALLY TO THE D O T, OUR CONTACTS OF THE D O T TO TRY AND SCHEDULE A, UH, YOU KNOW, A PRELIMINARY MEETING AND CONVERSATION WITH THEM TO JUST FLUSH OUT ANY CONCERNS THEY MIGHT HAVE EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS.
SO WE'RE ABSOLUTELY AWARE OF THAT AND WE'LL, WE'LL CERTAINLY BE DEALING WITH THEM FOR, UH, ANY CURB CUT MODIFICATIONS, THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, WE DON'T PROPOSE ANY UTILITIES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL BE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE D O T TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE SATISFIED.
CHARLES WAS GONNA MENTION THE SIDEWALKS THAT WE'VE PROPOS NEED TO BE CLEARED THE, TO, TO, TO, YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT.
SO, UM, WE SHOULD CIRCLE BACK WITH THEM, JOE, AND, AND TRY TO SCHEDULE THAT MEETING.
AND, UH, IF I CAN, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TO, TO GO BACK TO THE, UH, THE BINS, THE QUESTION YOU HAD ABOUT THE SORTING BINS, UM, WE'RE PROPOSING BINS.
THERE'S, THERE'S SOME SORTING BINS HERE NOW WE'RE JUST KIND OF REARRANGING THEM A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN WE'RE PROPOSING SOME ADDITIONAL BINS IN THIS AREA.
THOSE ARE ALL WITHIN EXISTING PAVED AREAS.
UM, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, EXPANDING OR EXCAVATING TO THE HILLSIDE TO, TO INSTALL THESE, UM, FOR INSTANCE, THIS, THIS RETAINING WALL HERE AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY EXISTS, AND THIS IS A PAVED LOT.
WE'RE JUST SIMPLY CREATING STORAGE BINS ON THE PAVED SURFACE.
SO, UH, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY LOOK AT IT AND IF, IF THERE ARE ANY AREAS THAT WE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY IMPACTING EXISTING ROCK SLOPE, WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT.
WELL, IT'S NOT, SO IT IS, IT'S, UM, UM, IT'S LESS OF, OKAY.
IN THIS PARTICULAR, MY QUESTION WASN'T GEARED SO MUCH TO THE SLOPE AS TO THE STABILITY.
IF, IF THESE BINS ARE, UH, ABUTTING, UH, THE ROCK, IF YOU REMOVE THE BINS, DO YOU DESTABILIZE THE ROCK? THAT'S THE ISSUE.
I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THIS WALL IS HERE AND THE BINS DON'T EXIST.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER BINS HERE? THOSE, UH, ARE THEY AGAINST ROCK? THERE'S A SLOPE.
I'LL, I'LL GET DETAILS ON THAT.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, THAT'S ALL.
JUST VERIFY THAT THAT WILL THE, ANY WORK DONE IN THAT AREA WILL NOT DESTABILIZE THE ROCK.
WELL, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE QUESTIONS I HAD.
SO
I HAD THEM ALL, BUT I JUST DECLINED TO ASK
ARE THERE ANY OTHER, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? SINCE YOU, WHAT IS THE STORAGE SLASH DISPLAY AREA ARE, UM, KIND OF RACKS KIND OF, UH, UH, HOW DO, HOW DO THEY, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK LIKE? I THINK FOR THE MOST PART IT WOULD BE PALLETIZED STORAGE OF, YOU KNOW, UH, VARIOUS TYPE OF BRICK PAVERS IN STONE.
UH, I BELIEVE IT'S LIMITED TO SIX FEET IN HEIGHT BY CODE OR, OR, OR PER THE, UH, I THINK THERE WAS A VARIANCE GRANTED FOR THAT BEFORE, OR MAYBE THE SCREENING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
BUT IT WOULD, IT WOULD BASICALLY BE, UH, LANDSCAPE MATERIALS ON PALLETS OKAY.
RANGE THAT THEY COULD BE, THEY COULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, VIEWED AND, AND INSPECTED OR, OR, YOU KNOW, SEEN BY POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS.
AND WHAT KIND OF IT WOULD BE LIKE, KIND OF, UH, UH, SORRY, JOE, IF YOU, I WANNA JUST, UM, JOE, IF YOU HAVE THE SITE PLAN SET, I THINK YOU HAVE ON PAGE SIX, A LITTLE BIT, ONE, IT WOULDN'T LOOK LIKE, UM, UM, UP, UP ON THE, ON THE TOP RIGHT? IS THAT, WELL, THE, THESE ARE THE STORAGE, UH, THE OUTDOOR STORAGE BUILDINGS.
IS THAT NOT WHAT YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT? YEAH, NO, I THINK HE MEANT, UH, THIS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PALLET AREAS.
I UNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY.
I THINK HE WAS QUESTIONING WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN IN THESE AREAS.
SO, YEAH, SO AS I SAID, THOSE WOULD BE, UH, TYPICAL PALLETS OF MATERIAL, YOU KNOW, STAGED
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IN ROWS, UM, SO THAT THEY WERE AC ACCESSIBLE FOR DISPLAY.SO IF YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THOSE THAT YOU CAN SHARE NEXT TIME, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
YEAH, I COULD GET SOME PICTURES OF A TYPICAL, YOU KNOW, WHAT A TYPICAL DISPLAY WOULD LOOK LIKE.
YEAH, THAT'D BE HELPFUL, I THINK TO BE LIKE, THEY'RE COVERED.
THEY'RE, UH, YEAH, FROM THE ROLE, UH, JUST, JUST SOME IDEA HOW THIS SEEMS, UH, GOING BIG DISPLAY AREA IS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER FEEDBACK WE CAN PROVIDE, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT CAN INCORPORATE INTO THE FINAL PLAN? IF THERE IS NO OTHER, UM, IDEAS THAT WE COULD PROVIDE TO THE APPLICANT, UH, THEN, UH, I HOPE THE FEEDBACK WE HAVE GIVEN YOU HAVE BEEN USEFUL IN DEVELOPING YOUR FORMAL PROPOSAL FOR THE EXPANSION OF, UH, OF, OF, UH, THAT SITE.
THIS HAS BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH AARON AND, AND THE TOWN STAFF IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
I HOPE SO THAT WE CAN GET THESE PLANS, UH, BUTTONED UP AND, AND GET BACK BEFORE YOU GUYS.
SO AS ALWAYS, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR DETAILED ATTENTION TO EVERYTHING.
AND, UH, AND HAVE A HAPPY HOLIDAY.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND HAPPY NEW HAPPY HOLIDAYS.
JUST A FEW MINUTES ON, UH, ON THE, THE HOLIDAY PARTY.
NO, AS I INDI I SENT OUT THE EMAIL THAT, UH, HOPEFULLY EVERYONE WHO COME WILL BE APPROPRIATELY VACCINATED.
WE ARE IN A, UH, LARGER ROOM, UH, UP ON THE TOP, ON THE SECOND FLOOR, IF ANYONE, UH, BEEN THERE.
SO I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING EVERYONE ON THE 10TH.
AND SO, UH, AS OUR PLANNING BOARD, THE HOLIDAY PARTY, GOOD NIGHT.
BEFORE WE LEAVE, BEFORE WE LEAVE, EXCUSE ME.
WELL, YEAH, YOU HAVE, WE'RE STILL SEEING BROADCAST BECAUSE I THINK I WANT, I WANT THIS ON THE BROAD.
UM, WALTER CAME ON THE BOARD, UH, RIGHT AFTER ME, UM, AND THEN HAD TO REPLACE THE LEGEND ON OUR BOARD.
HE, HE REALLY DID, FRAN HAD LEFT AN INCREDIBLE LEGACY, AND HE TOOK THE BOARD, TOOK, TOOK THE JOB THAT THE TRANSITION WAS INCREDIBLY SMOOTH AND TOOK THE BOARD TO NEW HEIGHTS.
AND I JUST WANNA GIVE HIM A CONGRATULATIONS FOR THE WONDERFUL TIME, AND ALSO THAT HE'S ALSO A GREAT FRIEND AS WELL AS A COLLEAGUE.
SO CAN WE ALL GIVE HIM A, A, AN APPLAUSE, PLEASE? WE'RE HERE,
AND AS I INDICATED, YOU KNOW, I REALLY BEEN A, UH, A PLEASURE BEING THE CHAIR OF THIS BOARD.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ADMIRE MOST IS THAT WE COULD, WE COULD, UH, DEBATE AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW, AND EVERY, ALL OF US HAVE OUR PARTICULAR SLANT OF HOW WE LOOK AT THINGS.
AND, UH, AND WE COULD GO BACK AND FORTH OVER AN ISSUE, BUT ONCE WE TAKE A VOTE, IT'S OVER, AND WE JUST GO ON TO THE NEXT, UH, WE JUST GO ON TO THE NEXT APPLICATION WITHOUT ANY PERSONAL ANIMOSITY.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, UH, UH, VERY MUCH.
UH, I MEAN, IT MAKES FOR A, A VERY REWARDING BOARD TO WORK WITH.
SO FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND EFFORT AND SUPPORT, I EQUALLY APPRECIATE IT.
WALTER, WHO'S GONNA BE THE NEW CHAIR? WELL, I HOPE THAT THE NEW CHAIR WILL BE OUR VICE CHAIR, BUT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S THE DECISION OF THE TOWN BOARD.
YOU KNOW, SO, UH, THAT'S MY HOPE.
BUT, UH, THE TOM BOARD MAKES A DECISION, AND THEN, THEN I, THEN, AFTER THAT, THE WAY IT WAS IS THAT, UH, THE CHAIR PROPOSED VICE CHAIR, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, UH, VOTE ON THAT.
UH, THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKED IN THE PAST, AND I WOULD
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HOPE THAT IT WORKED THAT WAY AGAIN, THAT, UH, THE BOARD ITSELF SELECTS THE VICE CHAIR, UH, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE, THE CHAIR.SO THE, THE, THE, THE WAY IT WAS, THE CHAIR PROPOSED, THE, THE, THE PLANNING BOARD DISPOSE.
AND SO THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS.
BUT WE'LL SEE, HOPEFULLY THAT WE'LL GET EVERYTHING IN PLACE, UH, BY OUR JANUARY MEETING.
UH, AND, UH, I HAVE SPOKEN TO, UM, SEVERAL TOM BOARD MEMBERS, AND THEN THAT'S THE GOAL TO DO THAT.
UH, HOPEFULLY THEY WILL DO THAT AND HAVE A CHAIR IN PLACE BY, UH, THE JANUARY 1ST, MAY BY, BY DECEMBER 31ST, OR ELSE WE WON'T HAVE A CHAIR, WHICH I STRONGLY OPPOSE TO THAT.
AND SO, UH, HOPEFULLY, UH, TOWN BOARD WILL, UH, FOLLOW MY RECOMMENDATION, BUT THE DECISION IS UP TO THE TOWN BOARD.
WHAT HAPPENS IF, UM, HOEL DOESN'T EXTEND THE JANUARY 15TH ZOOM RULE?
UH, THEY WILL, IF THE LAW IS EXACTLY AS IT STANDS NOW, HAVE TO INDICATE, UM, THEIR, UH, THE PLACE OF, UH, WHERE THEY ARE.
AND UNDER THE STATUS OF THE LAW AS IT STANDS NOW, POSSIBLY HAVE TO INVITE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC FROM WHEREVER THEIR BROADCASTING, WHICH SEEMS RATHER SILLY, RIDICULOUS.
UM, WE HAVE MADE A COUPLE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, I HAVE, I HAVE ON A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS, UH, YOU KNOW, MENTION THIS TO THE TOWN BOARD.
AGAIN, IF YOU KNOW PEOPLE IN ALBANY, I RECOMMEND THAT YOU CONTACT THEM, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY CONSIDER THE STATUS QUO, WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO GO FROM HOME, BUT NOT HAVING TO PUBLICIZE WHERE YOU HAVE OR HAVE, UH, VISITORS.
UH, NOT, NOT THAT WE DON'T LIKE VISITORS, BUT WE HAVE VISITORS COME AT NIGHT AND SIT IN OUR LIVING ROOM WHILE WE, UH, HAVE OUR MEETING.
GIVEN THAT WE'RE NOT THROUGH THE PANDEMIC YET, I WOULD HOPE THAT PEOPLE IN ALBANY WILL JUST EXTEND THE STATUS QUO, THE STATUS QUO.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THIS NEW VARIANT.
HOPEFULLY THE, OUR IT, IT WON'T BE, AND IT'S MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING.
AND WE, AND WE WON'T KNOW THAT FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
SO I'M HOPING THAT, THAT THIS SMART ENOUGH TO EXTEND IT FOR ANOTHER AT LEAST 90 DAYS.
WELL, I HOPE SO, BUT, UM, BUT THEY LET IT LAPSE ONE TIME, FIRST OF ALL.
AND SECOND, THAT'S NOT REALLY THE POINT.
THE REAL POINT IS IF YOU ARE GOING TO, UM, MOVE TO AN AREA WHERE YOU CAN HAVE, UH, ZOOM FROM, YOU KNOW, ZOOM FROM YOUR HOME, THERE IS NO REASON WHY, UM, THE SEVEN MEMBERS OR SEVEN MEMBERS IN AN A ALTERNATIVE WOULD HAVE TO PUBLICIZE WHERE THEY LIVE OR INVITE
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE NOT, THEY HAVE NOT FOCUSED ON, UM, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY HAVEN'T FOCUSED ON IT, BUT BECAUSE UNDER THE OLD SYSTEM, THEY REALLY DIDN'T CONTEMPLATE THE ZOOMS. THEY CONTEMPLATED BIG MEETINGS IN, YOU KNOW, IN SEVERAL CITIES AND NOT, UH, DOING IT FROM THE HOME COMPUTER.
BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T FOCUS ON THE STUFF, SOMETIMES THEY DON'T GET THEM FOCUSED.
WE GONNA MAKE THEM LOT THINGS TO FOCUS ON.
SO HOPEFULLY THIS IS, AND HERE, HERE'S MY SECOND QUESTION.
DO WE HAVE TO ANNOUNCE OUR HOLIDAY PARTY FOR OPEN MEETING LAWS? NO.
WE'RE NOT CONDUCTING BUSINESS.
AND IF SOMEONE DOES START CONDUCTING BUSINESS, UM, THEY WILL BE SEVERELY ADMONISHED.
EVERYONE VOTED MR. VOTED, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING TO THE MEETINGS.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR, YOU KNOW, BEING, UH, UH, YOUR QUESTIONS AND BEING ON POINT AND BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE PROTOCOL OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, AND I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND EFFORT
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YOU SPEND ON ATTENDING THESE MEETINGS AND BEING INFORMED AND REGISTERING YOUR OPINION.SO TO THAT, I APPRECIATE, AND THANK YOU, I, I WANNA THANK YOU ALL FOR TEACHING ME THINGS I DIDN'T KNOW BEFORE.
I LEARNED SOMETHING EVERY TIME I COME HERE.
AND THANK YOU FOR BEING GOOD TEACHERS.
AND WALTER, I WOULD LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ON SCREEN.
AND A HYBRID MEETING IS THE WAY TO GO.
AND TO COME TO SOMEBODY'S HOUSE FOR A MEETING IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS.
MONA MAKES GOOD COOKIES, MARIE.
HEY, AND THEN ONCE EVERYONE GETS IN, I'LL REMIND THEM TO KEEP THEIR MICS MUTED, AND THEN WE WILL HIT THE RECORD BUTTON AND BE ALL SET.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING IN THE DECEMBER 1ST PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
UH, JUST A REMINDER TO PLEASE KEEP YOUR MICS MUTED UNTIL CALLED UPON TO SPEAK.
AND WELCOME TO THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING OF DECEMBER 1ST, 2021.
I ASKED THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT FOR ROLL CALL.
NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. SNAGS IS NOT ON THE MEETING AS OF YET THIS EVENING.
UNTIL, AND UNLESS MR. STAGG STA UH, JOIN THE MEETING, UH, UH, ALTERNATE JONATHAN CAPANO WILL BE A FULL VOTING MEMBER.
UH, THE FIRST THING ON THE AGENDA IS THE MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 17TH, 2021.
ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR UPDATES TO THE MINUTES? I THINK THERE WAS ONE NOTED ON, UH, CASE P PB 2021.
I THINK, UH, UH, DAVID, YOU CITED A TYPO.
UH, IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH NEXT TO LAST LINE, THE SPELLING OF THE WORD ENDORSED.
SO THAT WAS, THAT WOULD BE CORRECTED.
ARE ANY OTHER CORRECTION TO THE MINUTES? IF NOT, I PROPOSE WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS, UH, AMENDED.
UH, THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS CORRESPONDENCE.
IT IS, UM, WE HAVE TWO, UH, WELL, ONE WAS, UH, UH, WE HAD ASKED, UH, COMMISSIONER,
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UH, BURNS TO JUST GIVE US SOME UPDATE ON, UH, THE PROPOSALS.UH, HE WILL BE PRESENTING TO THE BOARD, AND HE JUST INDICATE THAT FOR NEXT YEAR, HE HAD A LIST OF PROPOSALS, UH, THAT WILL BE $360,000 AGAINST AVAILABLE PARK FUNDS OF 4 0 6.
SO THAT'S INFORMATION ONLY, UH, FOR EACH PROJECT HE WILL HAVE TO PRESENT EACH PROJECT, BUT JUST TO GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT HE HAS IN BUY.
THE OTHER THING IS, UH, PB 1624 TEBO, AND THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A 90 DAY EXTENSION.
I THINK THE ATTACH LETTER TO THAT REQUEST IS COMPELLING AND GIVE THE REASON WHY, UH, THE DELAY, THERE WAS A LEGAL SUIT, UH, UH, THAT THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH.
HIS WIFE, UH, LOST HIS JOB PLUS THE COVID AND PUT EVERYTHING ON DELAY.
SO I PROPOSE THAT WE APPROVE THE 90 DAY EXTENSION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? UH, BEFORE YOU GO, ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY, THEIR REQUEST WAS FROM A 180 DAY EXTENSION.
UM, AND THE RE PART OF THE REASON BEHIND THAT, I DID ASK THEM ABOUT THAT.
THE LETTER SAYS 90 DAYS? NO, THAT WAS THE PRIOR.
THAT WAS THE FORMER EXTENSION.
THE REASON WHY I ASKED THEM WHY, WHY THE 180 DAYS AND BECAUSE THEY'RE SEEKING A RETROACTIVE EXTENSION, UH, THAT WOULD TAKE EFFECT BEGINNING OCTOBER 18TH.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE VERY DOWN A MONTH AND A HALF, SO, OKAY.
THE EXTRA, YOU KNOW, THE 45 DAYS DOESN'T GIVE THEM AN AWFUL AMOUNT OF TIME.
AND THAT'S THE REASON I THOUGHT IT WAS REASONABLE.
AND IT'S PERMITTED UNDER CODE.
SO THE PROPOSAL FOR IS FOR 180 DAY EXTENSION.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? UH, SECOND.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? IF NOT, UH, UH, I'LL ASK FOR A VOTE.
HEARING NONE, THAT THE EXTENSION IS APPROVED.
THE OTHER THING, I WOULD JUST, UH, TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO GIVE A, UH, MAKE A STATEMENT.
UM, UH, UH, ALTHOUGH I WILL CONTINUE TO SERVE ON THE PLANNING BOARD, I DECIDED TO STEP DOWN AS THE CHAIRMAN EFFECTIVE DECEMBER 31ST OF THIS YEAR.
THEREFORE, THIS IS THE LAST MEETING, SERVING AS CHAIR DURING MY TENURE AND WORKING WITH FELLOW PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS STAFF, ALONG WITH THE TOWN BOARD CONSERVATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE, ZONING BOARD, AND HISTORICAL LANDMARK PRESERVATION BOARD, WE MADE SOME SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS IN FULFILLING THE OBJECTIVES OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
ALTHOUGH THEY ARE MANY, UH, REGENERON BIOTECH NORTH AND SOUTH, WE WORK WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANTS STEERING COMMITTEE, THE TOWN BOARD, AND ATTRACTED REGENERON TO A NEWLY CREATED BIOTECH CENTER NORTH.
UPON COMPLETION OF THE 1 MILLION SQUARE FOOT COMPLEX, BIOTECH NORTH WILL BECOME THE LARGEST SINGLE PROJECT EVER DEVELOPED IN THE TOWN.
TOGETHER WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT OF BIOTECH AND THE MEDICAL CENTER ACROSS THE ROAD IN VAL HALLA, THE REGENERON MEDICAL SCHOOL COMPLEX WILL BECOME A MAJOR, IF NOT THE MAJOR BIOTECH CENTER IN THE STATE.
AND I THINK THAT IS A MAJOR ACCOMPLISHMENT FOR EVERYONE WHO WAS INVOLVED.
THIS PLANNING BOARD WAS ACTIVE AND SEEING THAT THROUGH, WE HAVE, UH, JUST FINISHED APPROVING THE NEXT STAGE OF THAT EXTENSION EXPANSION.
THE OTHER ISSUE WITH THE BATTERY LAW, BEING AWARE THAT THE TOWN DID NOT HAVE ADEQUATE CODE TO ADDRESS LITHIUM BATTERY STORAGE FACILITIES AND RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANT NEW TECHNOLOGY, WE TOOK THE UNPRECEDENTED STEP TO CHALLENGE THE INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE, WHICH RESULTED INTO AN ADOPTION OF A VERY GOOD BATTERY LAW.
I THINK, UH, UH, FROM THE KNOWLEDGE I KNOW OF, UH, BATTERY LAWS, UH, IN THE, IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY, I THINK WE WERE ABLE TO DEVELOP ONE OF THE BEST BATTERY LAWS, UH, UH, OUR FOUR MUNICIPALITIES, WHICH AGAIN, I THINK THE PLANNING BOARD SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF THAT WITH THE WORK OF, UH, UH, UH, UH, GAR.
HE PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THAT.
I THINK THAT WAS A MAJOR ACCOMPLISHMENT.
THE OTHER THING WAS A CONTINUAL CARE, UH,
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FACILITY.UH, THE C C F RECOGNIZING THE GROWING NEED FOR C C F AND WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE TOWN BOARD AND THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
WE TOOK A VERY ACTIVE ROLE IN THE CREATION OF SITES FOR C C F WHILE CAREFULLY ESTABLISHING WHERE AND HOW MANY WILL BE IN THE TOWN.
WE NOW HAVE A C C F LAW, SO THIS WILL GOVERN THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF FUTURE, UH, FACILITIES IN THE TOWN.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE CAR DEALERSHIP LIMIT ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF CAR DEALERSHIP WAS ESTABLISHED IN CENTRAL CENTRAL AVENUE.
THIS WAS ACHIEVED BY REQUIRING A MINIMUM DISTANCE BETWEEN DEALERSHIP ON THE ISSUE OF URBAN RENEWAL.
WE SUPPORTED AND SUCCESSFULLY WORKED ON THE REMOVAL OF RESIDENTIAL HOUSES FROM THE URBAN RENEWALS FROM URBAN RENEWAL STATUS.
THIS ALSO INCLUDE THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SENIOR CITIZEN HOUSING COMPLEX.
THIS, I, I GET, OR I'D LIKE TO MAKE SOME VERY PERSONAL COMMENTS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR, UH, UH, COMPLEX.
UM, I GREW UP IN A WORKING, UH, WORKING POOR IMMIGRANT FAMILY.
AND REMEMBER THE STRUGGLES OF MY FAMILY AND THE CHALLENGES FACED BY ME AND MY FOUR SIBLINGS, AND WORKING OUR WAYS THROUGH COLLEGE.
I, I SAT ON A NONPROFIT BOARD LIFTING UP WESTCHESTER, LIFTING UP WESTCHESTER.
WORK WITH THOSE WHO LIVE ON THE MARGINS OF SOCIETY AND FIND THEMSELVES WITHOUT ADEQUATE HOUSING OR HOMELESSNESS.
I'M THOROUGHLY FAMILIAR WITH THE SECTION EIGHT VOUCHERS AND THEIR SHORTCOMINGS.
UH, WHAT ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS TO GIVE, UH, THE SENIOR CITIZENS, UH, SECTION EIGHT VOUCHERS SO THEY COULD RELOCATE.
AND KNOWING THE HISTORY OF THIS, I TOOK A PRETTY STRONG POSITION THAT THAT WAS NOT ADEQUATE, AND I WAS THRILLED THAT IT WAS STRONGLY SUPPORTED BY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND SO THEY WENT BACK AND, UM, UH, RECONFIGURED THAT.
SO TO ENSURE THAT THESE SENIOR CITIZENS WILL HAVE ADEQUATE HOUSING WHILE THEY'RE BEING DISLOCATED.
WHILE THE PROJECT WAS BEING BUILT, WE ALSO WAS ABLE TO CHANGE THE DESIGN.
SO WE BUILT IN TWO BUILDINGS, SO ONLY HALF THE RESIDENTS WOULD LEAVE AT A TIME TO SHORTEN.
THE AMOUNT OF TIME OF DISPLACEMENT WAS EXCELLENT.
I THINK WE HAD A GOOD PLAN, BUT THAT WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH FOR MON THEONA SAID, WAIT, WAIT A MINUTE.
WHAT ABOUT THE HANDICAPPED PARKING? AND WHY ISN'T THERE ONLY ONE ELEVATOR IN THIS WHOLE BUILDING? THAT'S RIDICULOUS.
WE NEED TO RECONFIGURE THE HANDICAPPED PARKING, AND WE NEED TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE ELEVATOR IN THE BUILDING.
AND AGAIN, THAT WAS REDESIGNED.
AND THEN WHEN WE THOUGHT WE HAD A GOOD BUILDING, CORRECT, OUR RESIDENT ENVIRONMENTALIST SAID, WAIT, THIS PLACE SHOULD LOOK LIKE A TYPICAL HOUSING PROJECT.
WHAT ABOUT NICE LANDSCAPING AND BENCHES SO THE ELDERLY COULD WALK AROUND? AND CONSEQUENTLY, IT TURNED OUT TO BE A VERY NICE PROJECT THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF BEING BUILT.
SO I THANK MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS FOR THE COMMITMENT TO DO, TO SEE THIS PROJECT THROUGH AND MAKING IT A FAR BETTER PROJECT THAN WHAT IT WAS WHEN ORIGINALLY CAME TO THE SPORT.
WE ALSO TOOK TIME TO, UH, ADDRESS OUR MINOR WETLAND PROJECTS BECAUSE WE LOOKED AT WAYS TO WORK MORE EFFICIENTLY, AND ALSO THE DECREASE THE, SOME, SOME WOULD SAY THE RED TAPE OF, OF A, OF APPLICANTS.
AND SO WHAT WE DID IN THE MINOR WETLAND CASES WITH WE, WHERE IT WAS A SIMPLE CASE WHERE SOMEONE WAS PUTTING IN SUPPORTS FOR A DECK OR THE, OR THE WATERWAY WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD, UH, IN THOSE CASES, WE TURNED THEM OVER TO, UH, THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT AND, UH, AND THE WETLANDS INSPECTOR.
SO WE NEVER, WE DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE, UH, THE FORMAL, UH, THE TRADITIONAL HERRING.
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SO REALLY CUT DOWN IN THE TIME SO THESE MINOR PROJECTS COULD BE DONE.WE ALSO CONSIDERED LOOKING AT, UH, A SIMILAR PROJECT FOR WHAT WE COULD SAY, MINOR, STEEP SLOPE.
WE DID NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW THAT WILL BE DONE, BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED.
BUT HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE SOMETHING WE TAKE A LOOK AT AND FOLLOW THROUGH TO HOW WE COULD GET THESE MINUS STEEP SLOPE APPLICATION DONE IN THE RAPID TIMES.
UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, OF MY SOME GOALS FOR THE FUTURE, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS I WORKED WHEN I WORKED AT SIBA, I WAS AT THE, I WAS ALSO PART OF A QUALITY AND, UH, UH, TEAM THAT LOOK AT PROCESSES, HOW WE CAN MAKE VERY, UH, IMPROVEMENTS AND SO FORTH.
THERE'S TWO THINGS I TAKE AWAY FROM THAT EXPERIENCE.
THE FIRST THING IS, NO MATTER HOW WELL YOU A JOB IS BEING DONE, NO MATTER HOW WELL THE OPERATIONS OF ANY ENTERPRISE IS, THERE'S ALWAYS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT BETTER.
THE SECOND POINT IS, YOUR PRIMARY GOAL SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON SOLVING THE PROBLEM AS OPPOSED TO FINDING OUT WHO TO BLAME.
THOSE ARE THE, THOSE TWO PHILOSOPHIES.
SO IT IS WITHIN THAT CONTEXT THAT I SAY THE FOLLOW THAT, UH, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE WAS THAT, UM, EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE STAFF AND THE PLANNING BOARD ARE MAJOR COMPLEX PROJECT, NOT THE DAY-TO-DAY PROJECT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAJOR COMPLEX PROJECTS LIKE THE BATTERY STORAGE PROJECT, BUT THE MAJOR, LIKE PROJECTS THAT INCLUDE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, MAJOR PROBLEMS. SO ON THESE ISSUES, THAT REQUIRES A LOT OF STUDY, A LOT OF BACKGROUND, UH, INFORMATION, LOOKING AT OUR CODES, WE NEED TO BE INVOLVED WITH THEM AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE.
UH, WE HAD A VERY GOOD MEETING YESTERDAY WITH, UH, HUGH SCHWARTZ.
UH, DAVID FREED OUR ATTORNEY, UM, UH, GARRETT MCCAIN, THE COMMISSIONER, UH, AARON SCHMIDT, THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, AND MET, UH, UH, BRIGHT BRITAIN, OUR, UM, ASSOCIATE PLAN.
AND WE LOOKED AT VARIOUS WAYS AND THINGS THAT WE COULD PUT IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S EARLY NOTICE ON THESE VERY COMPLICATED PROJECTS, INCLUDING, UH, UH, JUST A HEADS UP TO THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING BOARD TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING MIGHT BE DEVELOPING EARLY ON.
AND THEN LOOK AT WHEN IS THE EARLY EARLIEST POSSIBLE DATE INFORMATION COULD BE TRANSFERRED TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO THEY HAVE AS MUCH TIME AS POSSIBLE TO RE-GET ALL THE BACKGROUND ON THESE VERY COMPLICATED APPLICATION.
SO THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT MEETING.
IN FACT, AARON HAS ALREADY STARTED ON SOME OF THAT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW ON THE WEBSITE, YOU COULD GO AND FIND AND SEE ALL THE APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN FILED AND ALL THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION, UH, OF, OF AN APPLICATION.
SO I THINK THIS IS, UH, HAVE, IS A TREMENDOUS EFFORT ON BOTH PARTS TO REALLY MAKE SURE WE WORK AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE.
SO I HOPEFULLY THAT WILL CONTINUE BECAUSE I FOUND THAT TO BE A VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING.
THE OTHER ISSUE IS ON THE FOUR CORNERS.
THE FOUR CORNERS HAVE BEEN, UH, UH, A RECOGNIZED PROBLEM BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE TOWN BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, AND, AND RIGHT NOW, MORE FINANCIAL, A GREATER FINANCIAL COMMITMENT AND TIME NEED TO BE DEVOTED TO THE FOUR CORNERS BY THE TOWN BOARD.
ESPECIALLY NOW WITH THE, UH, WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE DOLLARS AVAILABLE.
WE KNOW WE HAVE A MAJOR FLOODING PROBLEM IN THAT AREA.
THIS IS A PRIME TIME TO REFOCUS ON THE FOUR CORNERS AND, AND, AND, AND GET AND ADDRESS THIS LONGSTANDING
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PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE.UM, THE, THE OTHER THING I WOULD, THE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS, IS, UH, A COMMITTEE THAT, UH, UH, CALLED THE FAIRVIEW EMPOWERMENT ZONE, UH, HU BEEN ACTIVE WITH THAT.
UH, JO, UH, JOHAN HAS BEEN ACTIVE AND MYSELF AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE, THE GOAL IS TO ESTABLISH BUSINESS IN, IN, UH, INCUBATORS, CO-OP, BOUTIQUE TYPE SHOPS.
JOB OPPORTUNITY IN INTERNSHIP, UH, UH, UH, FOCUS IN THAT AREA.
BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEMO, THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND, UH, THE INCOME, IT HAS A, UH, FAIRVIEW HAS A WIDE INCOME RANGE, UH, FROM, UH, THE INCOME OF PEOPLE LIVING AROUND THE MANHATTAN AREA TO THE MORE, UH, FLUENT AREAS, SAY AT JUNIPER HILL PARKWAY, HOMES, AND PARKWAY GARDENS.
BUT IF YOU PUT THAT ALL TOGETHER AND TAKE THE AVERAGE, THE AVERAGE FOR THAT AREA IS THE LOWEST AMONG THE END OF TOWN.
SO IT IS TO EVERYONE'S ADVANTAGE TO FOCUS ON THE ECONOMIC VIABILITY, UH, UH, OF THAT AREA, BECAUSE IT AFFECTS NOT ONLY THAT AREA, BUT AFFECTS THE WHOLE TOWN.
UH, UH, HOWEVER, THAT, THAT COMMITTEE DOES NOT HAVE FORMAL RECOGNITION BY THE TOWN.
AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE DONE THE SAME WAY WE FORMALLY RECOGNIZE THE BATTERY STORAGE COM, UH, COMMITTEE AND OTHER COMMITTEES, UH, THE FOUR CORNERS COMMITTEE.
I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE HERE BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE WHOLE TOWN AS A WHOLE WILL BENEFIT.
UH, I'LL END BY THANKING THE TOWN FOR MY APPOINTMENT AS CHAIRMAN.
MY THANK MY THANKS TO MY FELLOW PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, TOM HAY, MONA F FRANK DIED, MICHAEL GOLDEN, KURT DESAI, JONATHAN SNAG, AND JONATHAN CAMPANA.
AND A SPECIAL THANKS TO MY VICE CHAIR YOUTH SCHWARZ FOR SUPPORT AND COUNCIL.
I ALSO COULD NOT DO THE JOB AS CHAIRMAN WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF THE STAFF.
DAVID FREE GARRETT DECAY, MATT BRATTON, AND PATTY, UH, ASPIRE, THE OFFICE MANAGER.
A SPECIAL THANKS, HOWEVER, GOES TO AARON.
HE IS THE FRONTLINE GO-TO PERSON THAT HELPS FACILITATE OUR MEETINGS.
I SPEAK TO AARON SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK AND SOMETIMES SEVERAL TIMES A DAY.
NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA IS, UM, WE, WE HAVE A DECISION CHAIRPERSON SIMON? YES.
I'M HAPPY TO INTRODUCE THAT TO THE BOARD.
WILL I GET MY PAPER? PLEASE DO.
SO NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 22, THE DEMIRO PROJECT LOCATED ALONG CROSS HILL ROAD, P O HARTSDALE, IN THE R 21 FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT SEEKS PLANNING BOARD WETLAND, WATERCOURSE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE POOL, AND RELATED IMPROVEMENTS ON AN EXISTING VACANT LOCK.
THE EXISTING ONSITE WATERCOURSE IS PROPOSED TO BE REROUTED INTO A 24 INCH PIPE AROUND THE PROPERTY AND CONNECTED TO A 24 INCH PIPE THAT EXISTS ADJACENT TO THE THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE REMOVAL OF 22 REGULATED TREES REQUIRING A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, AND HAS PREPARED A LANDSCAPING PLAN, WHICH CALLS FOR THE PLANTING OF 35 TREES AND 10 SHRUBS, AS WELL AS A POLLINATOR GARDEN AS REPLACEMENTS.
THE PLANNING BOARD CONDUCTED A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MATTER AT ITS NOVEMBER 17TH MEETING.
THE APPLICANT HAS CONTINUED TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH ITS NEIGHBOR SINCE THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD.
ADDITIONALLY, ON NOVEMBER 23RD, EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE WAS RECEIVED FROM MICHAEL REATH OF TWO RO ROSHAMBO DRIVE, WHICH WAS PROVIDED IN THE BOARD'S PACKAGES AND MADE PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD FOR THE PROJECT.
I RESPONDED TO MR. REATH WITH A COPY OF THE APPLICANT'S WATERSHED ANALYSIS.
NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED FOLLOWING THAT EMAIL.
THE DRAFT DECISION WITH CONDITIONS HAS BEEN PREPARED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING PRIOR TO CONSIDERING A VOTE ON THE WETLAND WATER COURSE AND TREE REMOVAL PERMITS.
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THIS PROJECT DOES QUALIFY AS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER.UH, I JUST WANNA FOLLOW UP ON THE LETTER BY MR. REESE THAT HE WAS QUESTIONING.
HE HAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE CAPACITY OF THE CALTECH TO CAPTURE ALL THE WATER.
UH, UM, AARON, UH, UH, WENT BACK TO THE, OUR, UH, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND ASK THEM TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THEIR CALCULATION.
AND THEY SAY THEY, THEY STAND BY THAT CALCULATION THAT THE CALTECH CALTECH FACILITIES AS DESIGNED WILL ADEQUATELY, UH, UH, CATCH, UH, RUNOFF FROM THAT PROPERTY.
SO WITH THAT SAID, ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS ON THIS APPLICATION? IF NOT, I ASKED.
OH, I FIRST, BEFORE WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO TAKE THE VOTE.
UH, THAT THIS IS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER SECOND.
AND THEN I JUST, UM, BEFORE YOU TAKE A VOTE ON THE WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, UM, UNLESS, AND I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH, UH, THE CONDITIONS, BUT ONE THING I DID WANT TO POINT OUT IS THAT IT WILL BE AS AMENDED IN THE DRAFT DECISION THAT WAS CIRCULATED.
I NOTICED TODAY, ACTUALLY, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A SEPARATE VOTE FOR THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, SO I ADDED THAT IN.
YOU WON'T SEE THAT IN YOUR DECISION.
IT JUST SHOWS THE VOTE ON THE SEEKER AND THEN THE VOTE ON THE WETLAND WATER COURTS PERMIT, I ADDED IN A SECTION WITH RESPECT TO THE VOTE ON THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
IF THAT'S THE CASE ALSO, THEN PROBABLY THE HEADING NEEDS TO BE CORRECT CHANGED AS WELL.
IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, SITE SPECIFIC OR SPECIAL CONDITIONS.
UH, WE DID JUST NOTE IN SECTION FOUR ON PAGE FIVE, UH, PARTICULARLY SECTION 4.14, WHICH, UM, INDICATES THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL APPLY FOR AND OBTAIN APPROPRIATE PERMITS FROM THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH RELATED TO THE INSTALLATION OF THE ONSITE SEPTIC SYSTEM.
SO YOU MAY RECALL THAT THEY'RE DOING SEPTIC HERE, THAT THAT AREA OF TOWN IS ON SEPTIC.
WE NOTE THAT PRIOR TO THE SUBMISSION OF THE BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT MUST TO SUBMIT TO THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING FOR A PERMIT UNDER CHAPTER TWO 70 WATERCOURSE PROTECTION THAT RELATES TO THE ACTUAL PIPING OF THE WATER COURSE ITSELF.
SO, UH, AS WE ALREADY KNOW, THE APPLICANT WAS REQUIRED TO DO A WATERSHED ANALYSIS THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING.
THEY DID LOOK AT IT, THEY HAD NO OBJECTION TO IT, BUT ULTIMATELY THEY'LL HAVE TO SECURE THAT ADMINISTRATIVE PERMIT.
AND THEN WE ADDED IN, UH, 4.16 REGARDING, UH, THE POOL WATER THAT IT MUST BE TRUCKED OFF SITE AND DISPOSED OF PROPERLY.
WE DO THAT, UH, WHEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE WETLANDS, WATERCOURSE, OR OTHER SENSITIVE AREAS.
AND THEN, UH, MR. FREED IDENTIFIED, UH, 4.17 THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH SECTION 2 85 DASH 36 G OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH RELATES TO POOLS AND REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO POOLS.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT IN AS WELL.
THOSE ARE, UM, REALLY THE, THE SPECIAL OR SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS RELATED TO THIS PROJECT.
THE OTHERS ARE ALL PRETTY MUCH BOILERPLATE, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE APPLICATION? OKAY.
DID WE TAKE THE ACTUAL VOTE? SEEK A VOTE.
I KNOW YOU, YOU, YOU PROPOSED IT.
THE NEXT, UH, VOTE WE HAVE TO TAKE IS, IS THE, UH, WATER COSTS, UH, PERMIT, UH, MAKE A, UH, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE WATER COSTS PERMIT.
YOU HAVE TO SECOND AS AMENDED.
AND THE LAST ONE IS THE THREE, UH, PERMIT AS AMENDED ALSO, RIGHT? YES.
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ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.THE NEXT THING ON THE AGENDA, PB 2118.
AND THAT, UH, IS AGAIN, AS CHAIRPERSON SIMON INDICATED CASE NUMBER PB 2118, THE BATTY PROJECT LOCATED AT 14 PAYNE STREET AND 1 75 WINTHROP AVENUE PO ELMSFORD IN THE R FIVE ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT SEEKS PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION OF TWO EXISTING LOTS INTO NINE LOTS FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTING NINE NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH RELATED IMPROVEMENTS.
THIS PROJECT WAS LAST DISCUSSED ON NOVEMBER 17TH, AT WHICH TIME THE PLANNING BOARD ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING TO DETAIL THE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD.
I SEE WE HAVE MICHAEL STEIN HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
AND, UH, I KNOW YOU'VE MADE SOME, A NUMBER OF CHANGES, SO COULD YOU JUST WALK US THROUGH SURE.
UH, THE ORIG JUST BRIEFLY SHOW US THE ORIGINAL, UH, UM, LAYOUT AND THEN WHAT YOU PROPOSE AND EXPLAIN WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
SO ONE OF THE PRIMARY CHANGES, UH, THAT WAS, THAT HAD BEEN REQUESTED WAS SHIFT, UH, CHANGING THE DRIVEWAY ORIENTATIONS FOR TWO OF THE HOUSES FROM PAYNE.
ONE WAS ROTATED AND PUT ONTO WINTHROP AVENUE.
THE OTHER WAS ROTATED AND PUT ONTO NORTH LAWN AVENUE.
UH, THERE WAS ONE HOUSE REMAINING THAT, UH, WOULD STILL CONTINUE TO, TO ENTER ONTO PAYNE.
UM, BASED UPON THE, WHERE THE, THE DRIVEWAY'S LOCATED AND THE, THE GRADING THAT IS THERE, THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED TOPOGRAPHY, IT WASN'T POSSIBLE TO, TO SWITCH THE DRIVEWAY FOR PROPOSED LOT SEVEN ONTO NORTH LAWN.
UH, JUST BE, BECAUSE WE WOULD'VE HAD A, A, A SITE DIS DISTANCE OBSTRUCTION, UH, TO, TO BE ABLE TO, TO VIEW WHEN YOU'RE PULLING OUT.
UM, HOWEVER, WE STILL DO HAVE A TURNAROUND ON, UH, PROPOSED LOT SEVEN TO PROVIDE THE ACCESS.
SO THERE'S, IT WAS REDUCED FROM THREE HOUSES TO ONE HOUSE ACCESSING OFF OF PAYNE STREET.
UM, THAT WAS THE PRIMARY, UH, CHANGE.
AND THE, ALL THE DRIVEWAYS WERE ALSO WIDENED TO ACCOMMODATE TWO VEHICLES.
UH, THIS IS JUST A, A A A A BLOW UP OF, OF REPRESENTATIVES OF SOME OF THE LOTS.
SO THESE LOTS ARE ACTUALLY, UM, ALONG THROUGH HERE JUST SHOWING HOW THE, THE DRIVEWAYS ARE WIDENED TO ACCOMMODATE TWO VEHICLES IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE IN ADDITION TO THE ACTUAL GARAGE PARKING STALL ITSELF.
UM, AND I BELIEVE YOU ALSO HAD REQUESTED, UH, AN AERIAL VIEW, UM, OF THE PLACEMENT OF THE HOUSES.
SO THIS IS LOOKING EAST, UH, WITH NORTH LAWN ALONG THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE.
WINTHROP OVER HERE, PAINT ALONG THE RIGHT SIDE, UM, THAT IT THEN ROTATES AROUND LOOKING SOUTH, BUT WINTHROP IS ON THIS SIDE.
UH, PAINT ON YOUR LEFT NORTH LAWN ON THE, TOWARDS THE TOP OF THE PAGE, UH, GIVES A, A REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE IN COMPARISON TO THE OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, AND THIS IS LOOKING FROM PAYNE STREET, LOOKING NORTH WITH, UH, WINTHROP ON YOUR RIGHT AND NORTH LAWN ON YOUR LEFT.
SO THESE ARE THE HOUSES ALONG, UH, NORTH LAWN, UH, HOW THEY'D BE ACCESSED IN WHERE THE, WHERE THE WALLS AND BEING ABLE TO PULL IN.
UH, THIS IS THE HOUSE ON PAINT ON PAINE THAT YOU PULL IN WITH THE TURNAROUND HERE.
AND THESE ARE, UH, YOU COULD SEE THESE ARE ALSO ON, UH, NORTH LAWN.
AND THESE WOULD BE THE HOUSES ON, ON WINTHROP, THEIR ORIENTATION.
WELL, I MEAN, THE, THE OTHER ONES THAT, THAT WERE BROUGHT UP WERE ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR PUTTING IN A DRIVEWAY, A SINGLE DRIVEWAY TO SERVE ALL THE, THE, THE HOUSES FROM THE REAR, UH, FIRST LOT COVERAGE WISE.
THAT PUTS IT OVER ON LOT COVERAGE.
SECOND, THAT ELIMINATES ANY RECREATION AREA THE HOUSES WOULD HAVE.
UH, UH, YOU'RE STILL, YOU'RE TALKING THE, THE LOTS ARE LARGER THAN 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
THEY'RE NOT LARGE LAWNS, BUT AGAIN, IT'S EVERYONE'S PERSONAL SPACE THAT
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THEY CAN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO FOR WHETHER, YOU KNOW, UM, KIDS PLAYING OUT BACK SWING SET OR WHATEVER ELSE.I BELIEVE THERE WAS ALSO A COMMENT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UH, FROM TRAFFIC AND SAFETY ABOUT IMPROVING THE SIDEWALK ALONG PAYNE STREET, UM, TO BUMP AROUND THE UTILITY POLES.
AND I BELIEVE YOU GUYS HAD UPDATED THE PLANS TO, UM, REFLECT THAT.
SO THERE'LL BE SIDEWALKS ALONG PINE STREET, CORRECT.
THERE ARE EXISTING, UH, THEY WILL BE IMPROVED, UM, FROM WHAT THEY ARE NOW.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO, UH, THANK THE APPLICANT TO LISTENING TO WHAT, UH, THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE WHEN WE HAD THE SITE VISIT.
I, I BELIEVE THAT THE MAJOR COMMENT OF THE RESIDENTS WHO JOINED US WAS, UH, THE ISSUE OF PARKING AND, UH, AND THE ISSUE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
SO BY REORIENTING THOSE HOUSES, UH, I THINK YOU MADE, UH, A, A SIGNIFICANT ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.
UM, SO I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
DOES ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PROJECT? IF WALTER? YES.
UM, UH, THIS, THIS DEFINITELY IS A MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS OVER THE, UH, THE PREVIOUS PLAN, BUT I STILL WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THEY COULD, UH, UH, UH, MIRROR THE HOUSES WITH A DRIVEWAY ON A RA RA AVENUE, BE SIMILAR TO NORTH LAWN AVENUE.
AND ONE OF THE COMMENTS I THINK, UH, MICHAEL SAID WAS THE, UH, SIDE DISTANCE OR, OR THE CURRENT DISTANCE FROM THE CORNER, BUT I THINK IT'LL BE THE SAME OR, UH, FOR THE NORTH AVENUE AS IT WILL BE WIND TROUGH IF YOU PUT THE BOAT, UH, BOAT, THE DRIVEWAY FACING TO THE, I MEAN, FACING TO THE, UH, OUT TO THE NORTH LONE AVENUE.
SO THAT, UH, YOU DO NOT HAVE A, UH, UH, SORT OF A PROBLEM OF GETTING OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY FOR, UH, FOR THE HOUSE, UH, ONTO PAINT STREET, PARTICULARLY ON A RUSH HOUR WHEN THE TRAFFIC BACKS UP ALL THE WAY TO PAST WINTER AVENUE.
AND THE OPTION COULD BE THAT WE CAN HAVE EIGHT HOUSES RATHER THAN NINE, UH, WHICH, UH, WOULD MAKE IT AT ONE HOUSE BIGGER, PROBABLY CAN SELL FOR MUCH LARGER, UH, KIND OF A PRICE.
AND, UH, UH, THE SECOND COMMENT IS THAT IF GIVEN THE DRIVEWAY, UH, ON THE PAIN STREET FOR THE HOUSE, HOW DOES THE TURNAROUND RULE WORK HAVING, UH, TWO CARS PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY? YEAH, I HAVE TWO CARS.
I, I THINK, UM, UM, THESE ARE POINTS WELL TAKEN.
UH, I THINK THOUGH, THAT WE SHOULD NEVERTHELESS, UH, PUT THIS ON PUBLIC HEARING AND LISTEN TO WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY, AND THEN WE COULD, UH, WE COULD SURFACE THAT, THAT ISSUE AGAIN.
BUT I DON'T, UH, FEEL THAT WE SHOULD HOLD UP GOING THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, ON THAT POINT.
BUT, BUT WE COULD, UH, WE, WE, UH, UH, HOLD THAT AND, AND BRING IT UP AGAIN AT THE PUBLIC.
UH, HUGH, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES.
UM, I ACTUALLY ADDRESSED THE ISSUE OF TWO CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY AND THE BUMP OUT.
UM, I'VE DISCUSSED THAT BEFORE.
YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY AND HAVE IT, AND HAVE THE BUMP OUT WORK.
UH, SO THE HOUSE ON PAYNE STREET, IF YOU WANNA USE THE BUMP OUT, AND IF YOU DON'T WANNA BACK OUT, YOU REALLY CANNOT HAVE TWO CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY.
AND I AGREE WITH WALTER AT THIS POINT.
I THINK THE APPLICANT'S DONE A TERRIFIC JOB OF BEING RESPONSIVE TO OUR COMMENTS.
AND, UM, I RECOMMEND WE MOVE FORWARD TO PUBLIC HEARING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
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THEN WE CAN DISCUSS AGAIN THIS.BUT I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT'S NICER TO HAVE MORE GREEN SPACE, BUT IT IS IN OUR FIVE FIVE AREA, THEY'VE MET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT OF, OF THE CODE AS FAR AS I CAN SEE, AND ADDRESSED, UH, ISSUES OF PARKING BEYOND WHAT THE CODE SAYS, WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD THING.
SO I, I, I WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND WE GO TO PUBLIC HEARING.
I BELIEVE MONA HAD RAISED HER HAND AND UNMUTED SO GOOD.
I WANNA THANK THE APPLICANT FOR, UM, ADDING THE ADDITIONAL SPACE TO THE PARKING ON WINTHROP AVENUE.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL IN TERMS OF ADDING ACTUALLY A THIRD CAR FOR EACH OF THOSE HOMES.
ONE IN THE DRIVE, ONE IN THE GARAGE, AND TWO IN THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, THAT'S GONNA BE VERY HELPFUL FOR PARKING SITUATIONS THERE.
UM, ESPECIALLY IF A SECOND CAR HAS TO PARK FOR THAT HOUSE ON PAYNE STREET.
UM, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO FIT A THIRD CAR FOR PAYNE STREET, IF THERE'S A HOUSE THERE, THEY'RE ONLY GONNA BE ABLE TO FIT ONE IN THE DRIVEWAY AND ONE IN THE GARAGE.
SO IF THEY HAVE VISITORS, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PARK EITHER ON WINTHROP OR ON NORTH.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO, IF NOT, THEN, UM, UH, AARON, WHAT DOES THE, UH, AGENDA LOOKS LIKE FOR THIS MIGHT BE? I THINK OUR JANUARY 1ST JANUARY MEETING IS FILLING OUT.
UH, I WOULD SAY THAT AT THIS STAGE, UM, THERE'S AVAILABILITY FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON JANUARY 5TH.
UH, RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW THERE'S REALLY TWO TENTATIVE ITEMS WE HAVE BLOOM ENERGY TENTATIVELY ON, AND THAT'S PENDING REVIEW BY THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL.
AND THEN, UM, WE HAD THE R M C PROJECT 59 VALLEY AVENUE TENTATIVELY ON, BUT, UH, AS IT TURNS OUT, THEY'RE ON THIS EVENING, SO WE REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH, AND STAFF WOULD SEE.
OKAY, SO PLACE IT ON JANUARY 5TH.
SO WE'LL PUT ON PUBLIC HEARING FOR JANUARY 5TH.
SO WE'LL GET THE NOTICE TOGETHER AND WE WILL PROVIDE THAT TO THE APPLICANT ALONG WITH THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR MAILING AND PICKING UP THE PUBLIC HEARING SIGN.
STAFF WILL ALSO PREPARE A DRAFT, UM, SEEKER DETERMINATION FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION AHEAD OF OPENING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THAT'S THE R M C PROJECT, UH, LOCATED AT 59 VALLEY AVENUE, P O ELMSFORD IN THE OB OFFICE BUILDING DISTRICT, THE APPLICANT SEEKS PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS, UH, IN CONNECTION WITH ITS PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A CUL-DE-SAC ROADWAY AND RELATED RETAINING WALL ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF A THREE-STORY RESIDENTIAL APARTMENT BUILDING ON A NEIGHBORING PARCEL LOCATED WITHIN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD.
THE PROPOSED CUL-DE-SAC WAS SERVED AS ACCESS TO UNDER BUILDING GARAGES AS WELL AS SPACE FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO TURN AROUND.
THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE IS PROPOSED TO CONTAIN 30 UNITS AND 59 OFF STREET PARKING SPACES.
ALL WITHIN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD PROJECT WITHIN THE TOWN INVOLVES REGULATED STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE AND REGULATED TREE REMOVALS.
THE PROJECT WAS LAST DISCUSSED ON NOVEMBER 17TH.
THE PLANNING BOARD ASKED CERTAIN QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AND ALSO REQUESTED A MEMORANDUM FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
CONCERNING THE PROPOSAL, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR ISSUED A MEMORANDUM DATED NOVEMBER 19TH, WHICH WAS CIRCULATED TO THE BOARD.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING OR FURTHER THE PROJECT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.
I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO MR. PLEIO AND MR. VO AT THIS TIME.
UH, UM, BEFORE THAT, I, UH, I'D JUST LIKE TO REFER TO, UH, ONE, ONE I REFER TO, UH, COMPLICATED APPLICATIONS AND APPLICATIONS THAT, UH, UM, INVOLVE A ANOTHER, UM, MUNICIPALITY, UH, UH, THIS APPLICATION FALLS IN THAT PLACE BECAUSE WE, AT THAT TIME, WE, UH, HAVE GOOD, GOOD PROCEDURES NOW, UH, THAT WE, WE, UH, WORKED OUT, UH, UH, WITH, UH, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT,
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WHICH IT WOULD, AS I SAID, WAS A VERY CONSTRUCTIVE MEETING WHEREBY THIS MEMO THAT WE RECEIVE TODAY, UH, UM, ABOUT THIS APPLICATION AND BACKGROUND INFORMATION WE WOULD HAVE RECEIVED EARLIER, EARLIER, SO MANY OF THE ISSUES THAT WE RAISE ARE REALLY, HAVE LOGICAL ANSWERS TO, AND WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE SETTLED THIS ISSUE IN ONE MEETING AS OPPOSED TO TWO.SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO IN THE FUTURE.
SO JUST BY GETTING EARLY NOTICE, WE COULD, UH, AVOID A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.
BUT, UH, AS, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT SAID THAT, UH, WE ALL GOT THE LETTER FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTOR DAM, UH, EXPLAINING THE BACKGROUND, WHICH I THINK IS AN EXCELLENT MEMO EXPLAINING THE BACKGROUND.
SO YOU HAVE THAT, UH, DOCUMENT BEFORE YOU.
BUT WITH THAT SAID, LET THE APPLICANT, UH, NOW SPEAK TO, NOW THAT WE HAVE A, UH, BETTER BACKGROUND, LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THIS PARTICULAR, UH, CASE PB 2125.
I, I THINK BEFORE WE DO, I'M SORRY, MR. LINDORA, I SEE MR. FREE HAS HIS HAND UP AND I THINK JUST WANTED TO MAKE A QUICK NOTE.
I, I JUST WANTED TO ECHO WHAT THE CHAIR SAID.
AND, UH, I THINK A LITTLE BIT OF HEARTACHE WOULD'VE, UH, WE WOULD'VE GOTTEN, UH, WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD, UM, AND I'M NOT CHASTISING, UH, ROCCO IN ANY WAY HAD BOTH APPLICATIONS COME.
THE APPLICATION FOR GREENBERG AND ELMSFORD COME AT THE SAME TIME, RATHER THAN STACKING ELMSFORD FIRST.
UH, WE WOULD'VE RESOLVED THIS, AND I THINK THAT WOULD'VE SAVED US HAVING THE SECOND MEETING.
I'M JUST MAKING A RECOMMENDATION, BOTH FOR YOU AND FOR ANY APPLICANTS, IF YOU'VE GOT MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL, UM, HAVE US TOGETHER SO WE KNOW WHAT THE OTHER MUNICIPALITY IS DOING, BECAUSE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF CAUGHT WITH NOT KNOWING WHERE THEY WERE IN THE SECRET PROCESS AND EVERYTHING.
AND WE APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, YOU GETTING BACK TO US QUICKLY.
UM, SO WE COULD GET THIS, UH, ON, UH, AND IT WAS ONLY ONE MEETING, BUT, UH, IT WOULD'VE SAVED US, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLE, AND IT WOULD'VE MOVED YOUR PROCESS ALONG A LITTLE BIT QUICKER.
UM, WE, UH, WE, WE THOUGHT WE WERE MOVING ALONG IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AT THE TIME BY GOING THROUGH ELMSFORD FIRST, UH, WITH THE IDEA THAT, UH, BRINGING A, UH, A, A PROJECT THAT, THAT MET ALL OF THE NECESSARY CRITERIA FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBERG AND ONE, AND HAVING IT ALL DONE COMPLETELY, UH, DONE FIRST.
UH, IN THE MEANTIME, UM, I HAVE DISCUSSED THE, UH, THE CURRENT, UH, STATUS OF THE, UM, ELMSFORD, UH, ON, UH, DECEMBER THE SIXTH, WHICH I BELIEVE IS NEXT MONDAY.
THE TOWN WILL, UH, BRING UP THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO, UH, THEY'RE GOING TO, UH, FILE FOR THE, UH, C A, UH, AND, UH, ALSO TO, TO DO THE, UM, UH, EXCUSE ME.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA, CAN YOU HELP OUT, AARON? YEAH, I'M SORRY.
I I WAS GONNA JUST INTERRUPT FOR A MOMENT OR ADD THAT, UH, I BELIEVE, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THE VILLAGE, UH, I THINK YOU SAID THE TOWN, BUT THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD WOULD BE CONSIDERING ESTABLISHING ITSELF AS LEAD AGENCY.
UM, SO THEY CIRCULATED THEIR INTENT TO SERVE AS LEAD AGENCY ON THE SIXTH.
IT'S THEIR INTENTION TO ACTUALLY DECLARE THEMSELVES THE LEAD AGENCY FOR SEEKER REVIEW PURPOSES.
AND IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, MR. VOTE OR MR. PLEIO, FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN.
I ALSO BELIEVE AT THE SAME MEETING, THEY MAY VERY WELL BE CONSIDERING MAKING A SEEKER DETERMINATION.
AND THE PLANNING BOARD HAS, HAS DONE THAT.
YOU KNOW, HERE IN GREENBERG, WE'VE DECLARED OURSELVES, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DECLARED ITSELF LEAD AGENCY AND MADE A, OR CONSIDERED A SECRET DETERMINATION.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE HAS SUBMITTED COMMENTS ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN TO THE VILLAGE.
UH, ONE OF WHICH, OR A COUPLE OF WHICH I KNOW OFFHAND.
ONE IS THAT THE TOWN WANTED TO BE SURE THAT THERE WAS AN INNER MUNICIPAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN
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THE VILLAGE AND THE TOWN.THE TOWN IS NOT INTERESTED IN MAINTAINING THIS SMALL PORTION OF THE ROADWAY OR THIS BULB OF THE CUL-DE-SAC OR THE UTILITIES UNDERNEATH IT, UH, IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT.
UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THAT HAS BEEN, UH, THAT HAS THE PROCESS WITH THAT HAS STARTED AND THE VILLAGE IS REVIEWING THE DOCUMENT AT THIS TIME THAT WAS SUPPLIED ACTUALLY BY THE TOWN.
UM, AND MR. VO BROUGHT THAT TO MY ATTENTION TODAY.
UH, FURTHERMORE, UH, COMMISSIONER DUQUE RELAYED A COMMENT THAT, UM, THE VILLAGE MAY WISH VILLAGE MAY WISH TO CONSIDER, UH, ASKING THE APPLICANT TO INSTALL A SIDEWALK FOR PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS OUT TO, UH, WHITE PLAINS ROAD, ROUTE ONE 19, WHERE NONE EXIST AT THE PRESENT TIME.
UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS TOWN, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, IT'S TOWN BOARD, ITS PLANNING BOARD HAS ALWAYS ENCOURAGED APPLICANTS AND, AND SOUGHT TO HAVE PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS MADE WHERE POSSIBLE.
AND COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE FELT THAT THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE INSTANCES, EVEN THOUGH IT FELL INTO THE VILLAGE.
SO THAT WAS ANOTHER REMARK THAT HE PASSED ALONG.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO RELAY THOSE TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND LET YOU KNOW THAT STAFF HAS LOOKED AT THE PROJECT FROM THAT STANDPOINT AND, AND PASSED ALONG OUR COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE VILLAGE MAKING ANY SECRET DETERMINATION.
AND, UH, I JUST HAD A PROCEDURAL QUESTION IN THAT.
UM, UH, AND WHO IS THE INTERESTED, ARE WE AN INTERESTED AGENCY, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, THAT SECRET PROCESS? ACTUALLY, YOU'RE AN INVOLVED AGENCY.
IF, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE APPROVAL AUTHORITY OVER A PORTION OF THE PROJECT.
SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, SHOULD WE BE IN A POSITION OURSELVES AS A BOARD TO MAKE A SEEKER COMMENT? SHOULD WE CHOOSE TO YOU VERY WELL, MAY RATHER THAN IT COMING JUST FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE NOT HAD THAT.
I'M GLAD, I'M GLAD THAT HE DID THAT BECAUSE IT GIVES HIM A HEADS UP.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE, IT IS UNDER OUR PURVIEW IF WE'D LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON SECRET TO DO SO.
AND I, I CONCUR WITH, UH, WITH AARON, UM, THAT ON DECEMBER 12TH, UH, THE VILLAGE OF ELLENSBURG, UH, WILL BE VOTING FOR THE NEG DECK AND DECLARE THEMSELVES LEAD AGENCY.
THEY'RE, THEY ALSO DO HAVE THE, UH, INTERM MUNICIPAL AGREEMENT OR THE I M A, UH, THAT WAS GIVEN TO THEM FROM GREENBURG.
THEY'RE REVIEWING IT, IT, IT LOOKS VERY STANDARD TO PAST, UH, PROJECTS THAT THEY WORKED ON THAT HAD A SIMILAR SITUATION.
UM, AND, UH, THEY INTEND TO, UH, ADDRESS THAT AT THE MEETING ON DECEMBER 6TH AS WELL.
UM, SO HOPEFULLY THAT, THAT ALL GETS DONE.
UM, AND WE CAN, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY PROVIDE YOU ALL THAT DOCUMENTATION AND LUCKILY MAYBE WE CAN GET ON A, UH, A HEARING SOMETIME IN, UH, EARLY NEXT YEAR.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, UH, DECEMBER 6TH, NOT THE 12TH, DECEMBER 6TH.
DECEMBER 6TH IS THE CORRECT DATE.
MY QUESTION IS THAT, IS THAT A PUBLIC, UH, MEETING OF IN HANSFORD? IT IS.
IS THAT ON ZOOM? UH, N NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
UH, THEY'VE HAD, UH, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, UH, THEIR, THEIR MEETINGS HAVE BEEN OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS.
SO, UH, IS A, WE ALWAYS WELCOME, UH, PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS FROM ADJOURNING MUNICIPALITY.
IS THAT A RECIPROCAL INVITATION FROM MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD TO ATTEND THAT MEETING? I CERTAINLY CAN'T, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE, UH, FOR THE VILLAGE.
UM, I CERTAINLY COULD FIND OUT.
I DON'T SEE WHY THEY WOULD PROHIBIT, UH, ANYONE FROM THE PLANNING BOARD TO, TO ACCOMPANY TO THE, UH, MEETING.
WELL, YOU WOULD BE, IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING.
IT'S CERTAINLY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
ANY MEMBER, UH, INCLUDING PLANNING BOARD, UH, MEMBER OR MEMBERS CAN ATTEND.
THEY MAY NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE VERY LIBERAL AND WE ALLOW, UM, A MEMBER OF A BOARD TO, UH, MAYBE NOT SIT UP ON THE DAY, BUT TO, BUT TO ASK TO ACT AND ASK QUESTIONS.
UH, WE CAN TRY TO FIND OUT, UH, FROM THE VILLAGE IF THEY ARE WILLING, BUT AT A MINIMUM YOU WOULD BE ALLOWED TO, UM, OR SOMEONE FROM THE PLANNING BOARD OR, UH, THE TOWN WOULD BE ALLOWED TO ATTEND THE MEETING.
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TRY TO FIND OUT THAT, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S STANDARD FOR EVERY PLANNING BOARD, RIGHT? UH, MY, MY ISSUE IS THAT WE TRIED OUR BEST TO INVOLVE OTHER MUNICIPAL PLANNING BOARDS, AND WE ALWAYS EXTEND THE INVITATION AND WE ALWAYS, UH, GIVE, UH, THE NECESSARY BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON PROJECTS ACROSS THE BORDER.MY QUESTION, SO MY QUESTION IS, YES, I KNOW I COULD ATTEND, BUT IF A BOARD MEMBER WANTED TO ATTEND, SO AARON, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD FIND OUT? AND I'M NOT SAYING NECESSARILY ONE WANTS TO GO THERE, BUT IS THE IDEA OF, OF, UH, EACH BOARD, UH, BEING TRANSPARENT AND COOPERATIVE WITH THE OTHER.
SO I WILL REACH OUT TO THE VILLAGE.
I'LL, I'LL FIND OUT IF, UH, THEY'D WELCOME A PLANNING BOARD MEMBER FROM THE TOWN, UM, IF ONE WISHES TO ATTEND, AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT BOARD MEMBER WOULD HAVE ANY ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE OR PROVIDE INPUT.
IT'S THE VILLAGE BOARD OF TRUSTEES.
UM, SO I WILL, UH, REACH OUT TO THE APPROPRIATE FOLKS OVER AT THE VILLAGE AND COMMUNICATE WITH MR. SPEL DORIO AS WELL.
'CAUSE I KNOW HE HAS GOOD COMMUNICATION WITH THE VILLAGE.
SO WHAT, WHY DON'T YOU FINISH THE SUSPEND OR FINISH YOUR PRESENTATION SO WE CAN, AS I, AS, UM, MR. VOTE, UH, ADVISED THE, UH, VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD IS PLANNING TO REVIEW THE, UH, CCRA AND, UM, AND TO VOTE TO BE THE, THE, UH, LEAD AGENCY ON THIS COMING MONDAY.
UH, THEIR DISCUSSION WITH ME WAS THAT THEY WOULD SUPPLY THE RE THE, UH, RESULT OF THAT MEETING TO THE V UH, TO THE TOWN, UH, AT THE EARLIEST POSSIBLE DATE.
UH, WE, UH, WE APPRECIATE THE RE THE REVIEW BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
UH, IT, UM, CONFIRMS OUR ORIGINAL THOUGHTS ABOUT THE ACCEPTABILITY OF BUILDING THE, UH, CUL-DE-SAC AND THE, UH, PRIVATE, UH, RECREATION AREA.
AND, UH, WITH THAT, WE, WE HOPE THAT, UH, WITH THE V UH, WITH THE TOWN, UH, PROVIDING THE BACKUP ON THE CCRA, THAT, UH, THE, UH, TOWN OF GREENBURG WILL ALLOW US TO GO INTO A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, TO THE EARLIEST POSSIBLE DATE SO THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO MOVE ON WITH, WITH THE PROJECT.
SO JUST FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE PLANNING BOARD, HOLDING A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
YOU MAY WISH TO WAIT UNTIL, UH, THE, THE VILLAGE MAKES ITS SECRET DETERMINATION, UH, THAT IS EXPECTED OR POSSIBLY WILL TAKE PLACE ON THE SIXTH.
I WILL DEFINITELY CLOSELY FOLLOW THAT.
IF A BOARD MEMBER DOES ALSO GREAT, BUT THEN I CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THE CHAIR.
IF BY ANY CHANCE THE VILLAGE DOES MOVE FORWARD ON THE SIXTH AND WE GET A COPY OF THAT DETERMINATION, I WILL REPORT THAT BACK TO THE CHAIR AND, UH, LOOK TO SCHEDULE IT AT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING DATE THAT IS AN OPTION IF THE BOARD WISHES TO TAKE ON HOW TO PROCEED.
AND WHAT WOULD BE THE DOWNSIDE THOUGH, OF JUST HAVING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE JUST CAN'T MAKE A DECISION UNTIL THE SEEKER? WELL, HERE'S A QUESTION.
OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T MAKE THE DECISION UNTIL THE SE SEEKER'S BEEN DONE.
NUMBER TWO, SHOULD WE BE MAKING ANY DECISION BEFORE, UH, ELM ELMSFORD APPROVES IT ON THEIR SIDE? THAT'S THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
THE FIRST ONE'S A LEGAL QUESTION OBVIOUS, THE SECOND ONE ISN'T SO OBVIOUS.
SO I'LL ADDRESS THE LEGAL QUESTION, UH, AND I'LL ADDRESS YEAH, YEAH.
THE, THE LEGAL QUESTION IS WITH RESPECT TO WHETHER YOU CAN OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING, UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT.
THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THAT YOU'LL KNOW ON JANUARY 5TH WHETHER OR NOT THE SECRET DETERMINATION IS THERE HAS BEEN MADE.
IF IT HAS NOT, THEN YOU WOULD CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING, OR YOU COULD EVEN ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NOT GO FORWARD ON THAT DAY, DEPENDING, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, SOMETHING POP POPS UP, BUT AT LEAST THIS WAY YOU'VE NOTICED IT AND YOU HAVE IT, UM, IN THE PIPELINE.
SO THAT WILL ADDRESS THE, UM, THE, THE LEGAL ISSUE.
UM, WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER ISSUE OF, OF, OF, YEAH.
UH, HOW DO WE VOTE ON THIS IN TERMS OF SEQUENCING? I'LL COMMUNICATE WITH THE VILLAGE, UM, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY THE WAY I SEE IT, IT COULD GO EITHER WAY.
UM, BUT I WOULD SAY IF FOR ANY REASON THE, THE TOWN DID NOT APPROVE
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THE CUL-DE-SAC THAT WOULD AFFECT, UM, THE LAY THE APPLICANT'S LAYOUT IN TERMINATING A ROADWAY THAT MEETS ALL THE APPROPRIATE STANDARDS.UM, SO WHAT, WHAT COULD BE DONE? AND I, I'VE SEEN IT DONE BEFORE AND, AND THIS BOARD HAS DONE IT BEFORE, THAT IF IT WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A DECISION ON THE STEEP SLOPE AND TREE REMOVAL, THERE COULD BE CONDITIONS THAT TAKE EFFECT, YOU KNOW, IF AND WHEN THE SITE PLAN AND RELATED APPROVALS OF THE VILLAGE, UH, IF, IF THEY'RE MADE, WELL, WE CAN MAKE IT.
UM, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
UM, I THINK WE, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON NOT TO GO AHEAD WITH A PUBLIC HEARING, GET IT OUT THE WAY.
TRUTHFULLY, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA LEARN ANYTHING ELSE.
JUST GET IT OUT OF THE WAY THIS NEXT TIME.
UM, DAVE, THERE'S NO REASON WE CAN'T CLOSE IT AND JUST LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL SEEKER'S DONE IF IT'S NOT COMPLETED.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S BUT THE PUBLIC THAT THAT IS.
UM, BUT I DON'T WANT UN, UN UNLESS I, I DON'T WANNA MAKE A DEFINITIVE DETERMINATION ON THAT, BECAUSE I WOULD WANNA KNOW WHY CCRA WAS NOT COMPLETED BY THE VILLAGE.
YOU KNOW, THIS, WE, WE LEAVE IT OPEN THEN, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT THIS, THIS, UH, THIS WHOLE PROCESS BECOMING OVERLY COMPLICATED.
WHY DON'T WE JUST WAIT TO THE DECISION OF, UH, ELFORD AND THEN WE MAKE OUR DECISION.
IT'S OVER WITH NOW WE MAKING SO MANY CONT UH, CONTINUOUS FEES THAT IF THIS HAPPENED, AND THIS WILL HAPPEN.
IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, THE OTHER WILL HAPPEN.
AND YES, ERIC, I, I, I THINK IT, IT SEEMED A LITTLE CONFUSING, BUT IT WAS A GREAT QUESTION.
AND I THINK WE HAVE A SOLID PLAN.
I WOULD SAY THAT THE APPROPRIATE, UH, STEPS FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO MAKE WOULD BE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PUBLIC HEARING, SEE IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC INPUT.
WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANY DELAY ON THE VILLAGE'S END.
I MEAN, WE WON'T HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE WON'T HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR OVER A MONTH.
IF THERE'S SOME DELAY ON THE VILLAGE'S, THEN WE'LL BE KEYED IN ON THAT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE REASON IS.
BUT I THINK THE VILLAGE IS GONNA WANNA, YOU KNOW, AS THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR PROCESS, THEY'RE GONNA WANNA UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S A COMFORT LEVEL ON THE PART OF THE PLANNING BOARD HERE IN TOWN ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT.
IF FOR INSTANCE, THERE, YOU KNOW, THIS BOARD WAS NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT, WE'RE GOING A DIFFERENT DIRECTION ON IT, UM, THE VILLAGE WOULD WANNA BE AWARE OF THAT.
SO I REALLY THINK THE IDEA OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND IF THE PLANNING BOARD MOVES TOWARDS A DECISION MAKING IT CONTINGENT ON THE APPLICANT RECEIVING APPROVALS FROM THE VILLAGE IS PROBABLY THE MOST APPROPRIATE WAY TO GO.
AND I THINK IT WAS A GOOD SUGGESTION FROM MR. SCHWARTZ.
AND I, I WILL JUST ADD, THERE ARE OTHER, THERE ARE, IF IN FACT, UH, THERE ARE CONCERNS ON THE VILLAGE END, WE HAVE, WE CAN SLOW, SLOW DOWN THE PROCESS, UH, BY ADJOURNING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WAITING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS HAPPEN IN THE VILLAGE.
THEN, SO WE'LL PUT IT ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON JANUARY.
AND, AND WE DO HAVE AVAILABILITY ON THAT MEETING DATE.
UH, WE WILL REACH OUT TO THE APPLICANT, GET THEM THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE, AS WELL AS THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE MAILING, UH, AND FOR THE POSTING OF THE SIGNAGE.
WE WILL BE IN TOUCH, UH, WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS ON THAT.
SO THANK YOU AND HAVE A GOOD EVENING.
IN TERMS OF SCHED, IN TERMS OF SCHEDULING, JUST REMEMBER, I THINK BLOOM IS GONNA TAKE SOME TIME AT THAT MEETING.
RIGHT? IF, PARTICULARLY IF EVERY, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET THE C A C REPORT, I BELIEVE, NEXT WEEK AFTER, WELL, THE MEETING ON THE NINTH, SO WE'LL PROBABLY GET IT BEFORE THE 16TH.
SO PEOPLE WILL HAVE LIKE TWO WEEKS BEFORE, AT LEAST TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE MEETING BOARD MEMBERS WILL, AND THERE'LL BE A LOT OF DISCUSSION, I THINK, ABOUT THE CAC C REPORT AT, AT THE JANUARY 5TH MEETING.
SO WE'VE GOTTA PUT, PUT ASIDE PROBABLY 40 MINUTES.
THAT'S WHAT I'M 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR.
I THINK, I THINK SO FAR WE'VE GOT BLOOM.
WE'VE GOT THESE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, AND WE HAVE THE THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT THAT IF PRE IF THEY CLOSE, PRESUMABLY WE'LL GO FOR A DECISION ON THAT NIGHT.
AND THAT'S, UM, THREE, THAT'S SIX ITEMS. UH, SO THAT'S, WE'RE RIGHT NOW AND, AND WE CONTINUE TO COMMUNICATE WITH
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YOU ON SCHEDULE MOVING FORWARD.THANK YOU, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, GOODNIGHT.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN.
OKAY, SO NOW WE, UH, UH, BARBARA, YOU ARE SET UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
SO, UH, WE WILL, UH, TAKE A ROLL CALL.
HERE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT, UH, BOARD MEMBER JOHAN SNAGS IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
AND MR. CAMPUZANO, OUR ALTERNATE MEMBER, WILL BE FULL VOTING MEMBER FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING SESSION.
I, I MISSED, UH, AN EMAIL FROM MR. SNAGS, UH, JUST BEFORE THE MEETING SAYING THAT UNFORTUNATELY HE WOULD BE UNABLE TO JOIN US THIS EVENING.
SO I SAW THAT, UH, AT ABOUT 10 AFTER SEVEN.
SO, UH, THE FIRST ITEM ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING IS CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 10 ES LOCATED AT 23 SPRINGWOOD AVENUE, P O LEY IN THE R 7.5 SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO CAR GARAGE, AS WELL AS FRONT AND REAR ADDITIONS TO THE EXISTING RESIDENCE, WHICH REQUIRES STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
THE PROJECT WAS LAST DISCUSSED AS PART OF A PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 6TH, AT WHICH TIME THE PLANNING BOARD ISSUED A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS ON FIVE FIVE AREA VARIANCES REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT ON NOVEMBER 18TH.
THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS GRANTED ALL AREA VARIANCE VARIANCES ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT.
THE APPLICANT AND ITS REPRESENTATIVE ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING OF FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT, UH, TO BRING THE BOARD BACK UP TO SPEED AS WELL AS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. PIUS AT THIS TIME.
UM, UH, MR. SIMON, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.
UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR GUIDANCE, UH, REGARDING THIS PROJECT.
UM, I ALSO WANNA THANK THE REST OF THE BOARD, UH, FOR COMING OUT TO OUR PROPERTY AND TO GIVE THE VERY NECESSARY, UH, SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU GAVE US TO ALTER OUR PROJECT TO GET YOUR POSITIVE APPROVAL, WHICH LED TO THE Z B A TO GIVE US APPROVAL ON THOSE VARIANCES.
UM, ONCE, IT'S JUST A REALLY QUICK RECAP.
UM, DUE TO SAFETY AND PRIVACY CONCERNS IN OUR CURRENT HOUSE SETUP, WE ARE SEEKING VARIANCE TO CREATE A NEW ENTRANCEWAY AND TWO CAR GARAGE.
WE LOOKED AT ALL THE POSSIBILITIES AND TOOK THE SUGGESTIONS FROM THIS PLANNING BOARD, AND, UM, WE MADE OUR PLANS ACCORDINGLY AND ALTERED THEM WITH INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN.
WE BELIEVE WE NOW HAVE A PLAN THAT IT HAS THE LEAST ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, UH, WHILE STILL ACHIEVING OUR GOALS.
UM, THE Z B A ASKED US FOR A COLOR RENDITION OF OUR, UM, PROPOSAL.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY ALL THEY REALLY WANTED TO KNOW.
I HAVE ERIC HERE WHO'S, UH, WITH LEAD ARCHITECTURE TO ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL AND STRUCTURAL QUESTIONS THAT MAY HAVE ARISEN OVER THE TIME.
IF, UH, MR. P, I'M SORRY, CHAIRPERSON SIMON, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT EITHER MR. PIUS OR MR. DAVENPORT, IF YOU COULD, UM, PRESENT THE PLAN.
GO THROUGH THE COMPONENTS OF THE APPLICATION, MUCH LIKE YOU DID PREVIOUSLY A FEW MONTHS AGO, UM, FOR JUST TO BRING THE BOARD BACK UP TO SPEED ON IT.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, AND ALSO FOR THE BENEFIT OF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT MAY BE WATCHING OR ON THE MEETING, AND MAY WISH TO ACTUALLY ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
UM, SO IF YOU COULD DO THAT, THAT'D BE HELPFUL.
I'LL, I'LL ASK ERIC, UH, THE, THE ARCHITECT TO, UM, SHARE HIS SCREEN.
WHENEVER I SHARE MY SCREEN, IT JUST NEVER WORKS ON MY COMPUTER FOR SOME REASON.
I'M PULLING IT UP RIGHT NOW SO THAT WE HAVE, UM, PICTURES AND DRAWINGS.
THERE SHOULD BE IMAGES UP ON THE SCREEN.
CAN EVERYBODY SEE THEM OKAY? YEAH, THAT, YEAH.
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EXISTING FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND, UM, SOME OF THE PREVIOUS REASONS THAT WE'VE DOCUMENTED HERE FOR SAFETY CONCERNS AND ACCESS TO THE FRONT ENTRY TO PROTECT PEOPLE ENTERING THE HOUSE, AND ALSO THE VEHICLES THAT ARE PREVIOUSLY PARKED ON THE STREET OR CURRENTLY PARKED IN THE STREET.UM, THIS IS THE FRONT CUT OF THE HOUSE WHERE THERE'S EXISTING, UM, CONDITIONS THAT WOULD BE REMOVED TO MAKE PLACE FOR THE ENTRYWAY IN THE GARAGE.
AND THIS IS THE STREET DIAGRAM THAT NICK PUT TOGETHER, AND THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS WENT OUT TO, TO VISIT AND VERIFY SOME OF THE DIMENSIONS, UM, NOTING THAT THE AREA IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE, WHICH IS 23 SPRINGWOOD, UM, HAS AN INCREASED ROAD WIDTH AS OPPOSED TO THE PROPERTIES TO THE, TO THE LEFT HAND PAGE, LEFT WHERE THE ROAD IS, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY LESS WIDE IN, IN EFFECT GIVES THEM A GARAGE SPACE OF, OF NINE FEET FROM THE, UM, THE ADJACENT STREET CURB LINE, WHICH IS THAT DASH LINE BELOW THE NINE FOOT MARK.
AND SO PREVIOUS PICTURES AND SOME DOCUMENTATION ABOUT HOW CARS, YOU KNOW, LOADED, PULLING IN AND OUT OF THAT PROPOSED GARAGE LOCATION WOULD HAVE ROOM EVEN WITH OTHER CARS PARKED ON THE STREET.
UM, NICK DID GET, UM, VERIFICATION FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, WITH THE TOWN'S HELP, JUST TO VERIFY THAT THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WERE IN, UM, SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT AND DIDN'T SEE ANY SAFETY CONCERNS, AND IN FACT, LIKE RECOMMENDED THAT THIS WOULD BE BETTER, OF COURSE, FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND THERE WERE, THERE WERE QUESTIONS THAT, I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT, I'M NOT NECESSARILY GONNA GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE THAT WERE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD THAT WE HAD, UM, PREVIOUSLY RESPONDED TO.
THAT ADDRESSED MOVING THE, THE GARAGE FURTHER BACK ALONGSIDE OF THE HOUSE TO ALLEVIATE AT LEAST ONE OF THE, YOU KNOW, VARIANCES OF HAVING THE ACCESSORY BUILDING ON THE FRONT, UM, AS OPPOSED TO THE SIDE YARD.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE DID CALCULATIONS TO SHOW THE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MATERIAL AND DISTURBANCE THAT WOULD BE NEEDED THE FURTHER BACK IT WENT INTO THE STEEP SLOPES.
UM, THE RETAINING WALL AND ADDITIONAL WORK FOR, UM, PROTECTING THE SITE FROM THE STORM WATER SYSTEMS SEEMED, UM, UH, JUST KIND OF OUT OF, OUT OF, UH, PROPORTION TO THE, TO THE WORK OF A GARAGE.
AND, UM, NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES WOULD BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY LIKE THE LARGER RETAINING WALLS TO MAINTAIN, LIKE CONTAIN THE DRIVEWAY, UM, AND ALSO THE GARAGE ITSELF.
AND THEN THEY, YOU KNOW, NICK ANGIOS DID GET COSTS TO, IN COMPARISON FOR THAT WORK, AND THEY WERE, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THREE TIMES THE COST OF PUTTING THE GARAGE, YOU KNOW, CLOSER TO THE ROAD.
UM, AND THERE'S ALSO SOME ISSUES THAT WE WOULD RUN INTO WITH THE DECK THAT IS EXISTING BACK THERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TRYING TO COMBINE THE TWO STRUCTURES SEEMED, UM, TO LEAD INTO SOME INTEGRITY, UM, THAT WE, WE COULD MITIGATE.
BUT AGAIN, IT WAS JUST, IT'S, IT JUST SEEMS OVERLY COMPLICATED FOR THE AMOUNT OF OF WORK THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO.
UM, WE DID SEE, RECEIVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SPECIFIC CUBIC YARDS REMOVED, WHICH WE'VE DOCUMENTED HERE AND SUBMITTED, UM, ALMOST SOME DIAGRAMS. SO THERE WAS JUST A COMPARISON OF, UM, THE 75 CUBIC YARDS, WHICH IS MUCH, UM, LESS LIKE THAT'S GONNA BE THE STEPS IN THE GARAGE.
THERE WAS, UM, AN ALTERNATE MOVING THE GARAGE BACK THERE WOULD BE 261 CUBIC YARDS REMOVAL.
SO THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, QUITE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DIFFERENCE.
UM, AND THEN, SO WE'VE, WE'VE SUBMITTED THESE DRAWINGS THAT SHOW THE, THE DIFFERENCE IN THE AMOUNT OF RENEWABLES, JUST TO POINT OUT LIKE THE FURTHER BACK WE GO INTO THE STEEP SLOPES, THE CALCULATIONS SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE BECAUSE OF THE SLOPE STEEPNESS AS IT, YOU KNOW, BECOMES MORE STEEP AND THERE'S MORE EARTH TO MOVE AS WE PUSH BACK INTO THE SITE.
AND SO ON THE LEFT, THERE'S, UM, A RENDITION OF THE PLAN WITH A LANDSCAPING PLAN TO SHOW THE FRONT ENTRY THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HOUSE, AND ALSO THE GARAGE ON THE LOWER RIGHT HAND SIDE, THE ROAD, THE STREET, UM, SPRING STREET IS ON THE PAGE BOTTOM.
SO THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE IS PUSHED BACK, UM, AS FAR AS WE CAN BEFORE WE START TO, UH,
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IMPACT THE EXISTING DECK AND STILL ALLOW ACCESS FROM THAT EXISTING SIDE YARD TO THE FRONT WITH A RECONFIGURED STAIRWAY SO THAT WE CAN ALLOW PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, TO CIRCULATE ON THE, UM, REAR AND SIDE YARDS TO THE FRONT WITHOUT BLOCKING THAT WITH THE GARAGE LOCATION FOR THE BACK.AND THEN THERE WAS, THERE WAS SOME DOCUMENTED EXAMPLES OF, UM, SOME SIMILAR TYPES OF DESIGNS THAT, UM, WOULD DRIVE SOME OF THE DECISIONS THAT WE'D MAKE TO KEEP THE GARAGE CLOSE TO THE STREET.
UM, BUT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT, UM, UH, A HUGE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE C B A COMMENTS WERE LIKE, THEY WERE JUST WANTING TO SEE THE PICTURE OF WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND THE SCALE AND SCOPE.
SO IT WASN'T LIKE A, A VERY LARGE OR STRUCTURE, UM, NOT TOO TALL ON THE PROPERTY RELATIVE TO THE HOUSE AND THE EXISTING STREET NEIGHBORS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN KIND OF IS IN, IN THE SIMILAR SCALE AS THESE PHOTOGRAPHS SHOW.
UM, AND SO I'M GONNA PULL UP THAT DOCUMENT JUST TO SHOW THE, THE ELEVATION IN SCALE TO THE EXISTING HOUSE FROM THE FRONT.
UM, SO THE GARAGE IS AT THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER, UM, SHOWING THE TWO DOORS WITH, UM, THE NEW LANDSCAPING AND STEPS AND RETAINING WALLS LEANING UP TO THE FRONT ENTRY AGAINST THE EXISTING HOUSE STRUCTURE.
SO IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS INFORMATION SO FAR? NO.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ON THIS? IF NOT, WELCOME QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO TO SPEAK ON THIS, UH, CHAIRPERSON SIMON, BEFORE WE TURN THINGS OVER TO THE PUBLIC, AS LONG AS THERE ARE NO, UH, ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS, I JUST WANTED TO INDICATE A COUPLE OF THINGS FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT.
UM, I'M REALLY RECITING INFORMATION FROM THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE AND FROM THE AGENDA, BUT I JUST WANT IT TO BE ON THE RECORD, UH, THAT THE PROJECT INVOLVES A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATION.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES APPROXIMATELY 567 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO 15 TO 25% SLOPES, APPROXIMATELY 734 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO 25 TO 35% SLOPES, AND APPROXIMATELY 331 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO 35% AND GREATER SLOPES.
UM, THE APPLICANT, UM, HAS PROPOSED THE REMOVAL OF ONE REGULATED TREE REQUIRING A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
I THINK THEY'RE GONNA MAKE EFFORTS TO TRY AND RETAIN THAT TREE, BUT, UM, IT'S LIKELY THAT THE ROOT SYSTEM WILL BE AFFECTED TO THE POINT THAT IT SHOULD PROBABLY BE TAKEN DOWN.
SO WE'VE REQUESTED THAT THEY SUBMIT THE APPLICATION FOR THAT.
UM, THE APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY, FAIRLY RECENTLY PLANTED THREE EVERGREENS IN THE REAR YARD, AND THAT DOES SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS, UH, IF IN FACT THEY GO FORWARD AND REMOVE THE ONE TREE IN THE FRONT YARD WHERE THE GARAGE WOULD BE SITUATED.
UH, LASTLY, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE ADDITION OF TWO NEW DRYWALL UNITS TO HANDLE THE STORMWATER RUNOFF CREATED BY NEW AND CURIA SURFACES.
AND THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE IN THE FRONT YARD TO KIND OF THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THAT NEW AND REORIENTED WALKWAY.
UM, AND THAT'S ALL BEEN REVIEWED BY TOWN STAFF, INCLUDING THE TOWN'S BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, UH, WHO SEES NO ISSUES WITH IT AS PROPOSED.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THOSE THINGS, BUT, UM, WE CAN TURN IT OVER TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
I DO NOT BELIEVE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SIGNED UP IN ADVANCE, BUT, UH, WE WILL ASK NOW IF THERE ARE ANY, UH, MR. DAVENPORT, CAN YOU JUST, UM, UH, STOP THE SCREEN SHARE SO WE CAN SEE EVERYONE HERE? I'LL SEE IF I CAN.
WE'LL JUST ASK IF ANYONE HAS A COMMENT AT THIS TIME.
OTHERWISE, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD IF BEING THERE.
NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AND NO QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC.
UH, UH, I, UH, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN.
NOW, WHERE, WHAT DATE WOULD THAT SEE AND HOW WE ONLY HAVE ONE MEETING IN, IN DECEMBER.
SO WHAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE DATE TO LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN? UH, I'M GONNA SUGGEST, UH, 10 DAYS.
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WE WOULD DO A WEEK, BUT I, I THINK GIVEN THAT WE HAVE EXTRA TIME, 10 DAYS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.SO, UM, THROUGH DECEMBER 11TH.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THE, UH, BOOK HERE AND TO KEEP THE RECORD OPEN TO DECEMBER THE 11TH.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? OKAY, SECOND.
SO, UH, UM, WE'LL KEEP THE RECORD OPEN, CLOSE THE HEARING, AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL DECEMBER THE 11TH.
THAT WAS MR. HAY ON THE SECOND.
AND CORRECT WAS RIGHT BEHIND ME.
UM, WE WILL REACH OUT TO YOU IF WE RECEIVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
OTHERWISE, YOU'LL BE IN A POSITION TO GET A DECISION FROM THE PLANNING BOARD AT ITS MEETING ON JANUARY 5TH, WHICH IS OUR NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING.
THE THE NEXT CASE IS PUBLIC CARE IN CP 2113.
AND THAT'S THE DOGRA PROJECT? YES.
LOCATED AT ONE MAPLE RIDGE COURT, PO SCARSDALE IN THE R 21 FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED RECONSTRUCTION OF AN EXISTING PATIO AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW IN-GROUND POOL INTEGRATED WITH THE PATIO REQUIRING A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
THIS PROJECT WAS LAST DISCUSSED, UH, AS PART OF A WORK SESSION ON NOVEMBER 17TH.
THE APPLICANT AND ITS REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD AND OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
TURN THINGS OVER TO THE APPLICANT AND ITS REPRESENTATIVES AT THIS TIME IS MY MICROPHONE.
GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M THE ENGINEER WHO PREPARED THE CIVIL DESIGN DRAWINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU.
THE APPLICATION FOR YOU IS FOR A STEEP SLOPES PERMIT AS IN ORDER TO, UH, PROVIDE FOR A REAR YARD IN-GROUND POOL, AND AN EXPANDED PATIO OF AN EXISTING PATIO.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS IN THE R 20 ZONE, IT IS OTHERWISE ZONING COMPLIANT.
IT'S A 30,000 SQUARE FOOT PROPERTY AT ONE MAPLE RIDGE COURT.
THE DIAGRAM FOR MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE SEEN IT, BUT THAT WILL REFRESH THEIR MEMORY, BUT ALSO FOR THE PUBLIC, SO THE PUBLIC CAN SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
DID THAT COME UP? YES, IT DID.
SO THIS IS THE OUTLINE OF THE PROPERTY.
MAPLE RIDGE COURT IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN.
IT'S A CORNER LOT ON FORT HILL ROAD.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE OUTLINE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY IN THE REAR.
THERE'S AN EXISTING PATIO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OBSCURED BY THE NEW PATIO WHERE THEY'RE GONNA REBUILD THE EXISTING PATIO.
IN ADDITION TO THE EXPANSION OF THE PATIO OF THE NEW POOL, YOU CAN SEE THE NEW PATIO IN RED.
THE OUTLINE OF THE POOL HERE, UH, THERE'S AN EXISTING TERRACE, UH, TERRACE WALL THAT RUNS APPROXIMATELY RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS THE LIMIT OF THE STEEP SLOPES.
THE PROPOSAL IS TO DISTURB, UH, 1,050 SQUARE FEET IN THE ZERO TO 15% CATEGORY 2094, THE 15 TO 25% CATEGORY.
BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ONLY APPROXIMATELY 500 SQUARE FEET OF THE 15 TO 25%, UH, SLOPE WILL ACTUALLY BE PERMANENT.
UM, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THIS FOOTPRINT RIGHT HERE.
THE BALANCE OF THE DISTURBANCE IS TEMPORARY.
IT'S, IT'S AN EXISTING, UH, LAWN AREAS, WHICH I WOULD SUGGEST WAS PROBABLY DISTURBED AT A PREVIOUS TIME WHEN THE HOUSE WAS BUILT, AND IT'S GONNA BE RESTORED BACK AT THE SAME GRADES AND AS LAWN, UH, AT THE, UH, COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT.
UH, THERE ARE NO WETLANDS ON THE PROJECT.
UH, THERE ARE NO ROCK OUTCROPPINGS, EXCUSE ME, ROCK OUTCROPPINGS ON THE PROJECT.
UM, WE'RE PROPOSING TO MITIGATE FOR THE INCREASE IN IMPERVIOUS SURFACES BY WAY OF THE FOUR CALTECH CHAMBERS THAT ARE JUST BELOW THE, THE NEW POOL AREA.
UM, WE HAVE A ROBUST EROSION CONTROL MEASURES IN PLACE SO THAT THERE WON'T BE AN ISSUE DURING CONSTRUCTION FOR ANY DISCHARGE OF THE SEDIMENT FROM THE WORK
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AREA.THERE ARE NO TREES TO BE PROPOSED TO BE CUT.
THERE'S AN EXISTING TREE THAT IS GONNA BE SAVED.
UM, THE ENTRANCE TO THE WORK ZONE IS GONNA COME FROM THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY TO THE REAR YARD.
UH, AND I THINK THAT KINDA WRAPS UP THE PROJECT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD ON REGARDING THIS PROJECT? UM, I HAVE A QUESTION.
TOM, IN READING THE MATERIALS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, AND I COULD BE, UH, THE S WERE DESIGNED FOR, WAS IT A 25 YEAR STORM EVENT? IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
I WOULD JUST SUGGEST OR ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER INCREASING THAT GIVEN THE, UH, FREQUENCY OF LARGER STORMS THAT WE'RE HAVING THESE DAYS.
AND GIVEN THAT THE, UM, THE BACKYARD SLOPES DOWNWARDS TOWARDS THE NEXT PROPERTY, WE, I'D BE HAPPY TO SHOW AN ANALYSIS OF THE 50 YEAR STORM, WHICH WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY DOUBLE THE 25 YEAR STORM EVENT.
UM, I HAVE ACTUALLY DONE THAT, AND THE COLD TAX HAD EXTRA CAPACITY AND MITIGATE FOR THAT DIFFERENCE, EVEN AT THE 50 YEAR STORM.
SO DO YOU HAVE THAT HANDY THIS EVENING, OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WANNA SUBMIT TO ME? I WOULD'VE TO, I'D HAVE TO SUB, I'D HAVE TO SUBMIT IT.
BUT I COULD HAVE IT, I COULD HAVE IT TO YOU TOMORROW.
THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO SEE THAT.
ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, UH, I WOULD, UH, TURN IT OVER TO THE PUBLIC AND ASK IF THERE'S ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO YOU, WHO WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THIS APPLICATION.
YES, CHAIR CHAIRPERSON, SIMON.
UM, AND BEFORE WE DO, I DO SEE THAT AT LEAST TWO INDIVIDUALS HAVE THEIR HANDS RAISED, SO I WILL, I WILL GET TO YOU MOMENTARILY.
UM, I SEE HERE THAT YOU HAVE THAT 36 INCH TREE AS SHOWN TO BE PRESERVED, HOWEVER, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE AND IN SOMEWHAT CLOSE PROXIMITY TO PERHAPS WHERE SOME OF THE SITE WORK'S GONNA BE TAKING PLACE.
WE DO HAVE, UM, VERY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR TREE PROTECTION.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE AWARE OF THEM.
IT'S POSSIBLE YOU ALREADY DISCUSSED THEM WITH THE TOWN FORESTRY OFFICER.
I'M HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, SPEAK WITH YOU FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT THOSE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN COMPLY WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS, UM, TO ENSURE THAT THE TREE IS, IS PROTECTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH, UH, THE NEW TOWN TREE ORDINANCE AND THE TREE TECHNICAL MANUAL.
SO WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, UH, AFTERWARDS.
I ALSO JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT, UH, WHILE YOU'RE NOT REMOVING ANY TREES, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE POOL IS ON ONE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, IF YOU WILL, AND I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS EITHER AN ELEVATION CHANGE OR, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD FROM TIME TO TIME WILL ASK IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A SUFFICIENT EXISTING SCREENING BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK THAT AS WELL.
UH, SO BRUCE ECKERSON SHOULD BE, UH, ONLINE AS WELL.
AND HE'S THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND, AND ACTUALLY THE AUTHOR OF THE POOL AND, UH, PATIO DESIGN.
AND I'LL, I'LL DEFER TO HIM ON THE LANDSCAPING AS IT RELATES TO THE GRADING.
BECAUSE OF THE WAY, UM, THIS HAS BEEN DESIGNED, WE BASICALLY HAVE PERIMETER WALLS AROUND THE ENTIRE POOL AND PATIO.
SO IT'S GONNA SET ONTO THE EXISTING GRADE, SO THERE WON'T BE ANY CHANGES TO GRADE OR ANY KIND OF ALTERATION TO THE PATTERNS OF DRAINAGE ON THE PROPERTY.
SO MAYBE BRUCE CAN JUMP ON AND TALK ABOUT LANDSCAPING.
UH, I, I WOULD, UH, REITERATE CHRIS'S COMMENT ABOUT THE TREES AS THE, THE POOL PROJECT ITSELF IS SELF-CONTAINED WITHIN THE, THE RETAINING WALLS.
THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY DISTURBANCE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN OUTSIDE OF THOSE.
SO NONE OF THE EXISTING TREES, UH, REALLY ARE IMPACTED BY THE WORK.
AND, UH, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT REMOVING ANY VERY GOOD.
UM, AND, AND IS THERE EXISTING VEGETATION BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE POOL AREA AND MAYBE THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY TO PROVIDE SOME LEVEL OF SCREENING, EVEN IF IT'S NOT EVERGREEN? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE POOL WOULD ONLY TYPICALLY BE IN USE WHILE LEAVES AROUND THE TREES, SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT FROM TIME TO TIME WILL COME UP IN APPLICATIONS SUCH AS THIS.
IT'S MOSTLY, UM, I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN.
SO, UH, THERE IS, UH, SOME, UH, TWO
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EXISTING TREES KIND OF BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND WHERE THE PROPOSED POOL IS, AND THEN THIS LARGER, UM, NORWAY SPRUCE, I BELIEVE, UH, IN THIS, UH, LOCATION HERE.AND THEN MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, A PROPERTY EDGE, UH, VEGETATION GOING DOWN THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF GAP, UH, UNDERNEATH THE NORWAY BECAUSE IT IS AN OLDER TREE.
THE, THE, THE LIMBS ARE UP SOME, AND THEN TWO, I BELIEVE ORNAMENTAL, UH, FLOWERING TREES ON THE SIDE.
SO WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, USING THE EXISTING TREES, THEY'LL BE IN LEAVE DURING THE SUMMER, WOULD BE ADEQUATE FOR SCREENING.
UM, WE DO HAVE THREE FOLKS FROM THE PUBLIC.
SO I WILL ASK, UH, I BELIEVE MR. BODEN RAISE HIS HAND.
WE ALSO HAVE A
SO WE'LL ASK, UH, MR. BOWDEN FIRST, CAN YOU TAKE THE PICTURE DOWN PLEASE? UM, CONSIDERING THE ISSUE OF GLOBAL WARMING AND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SWIMMING POOL THERE, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, HEATING REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT POOL? UH, ONE WOULD NOT USE, UH, FOSSIL FUEL OIL AND CON EDISON HAS A MORATORIUM ON GAS.
UM, MY QUESTION IS HOW WOULD YOU HEAT, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL HEATING REQUIREMENT? AND IF SO, WHAT IS IT? THANK YOU.
UH, TYPICALLY THERE WOULD BE A PROPANE, UH, TANK THAT WOULD, UH, SERVICE A, UH, A POOL HEATER.
UH, THIS POOL HAS A, UH, AUTOMATIC RETRACTABLE SAFETY COVER.
SO THE SOLAR GAIN ON THOSE POOLS, UH, ON POOLS WITH THAT TYPE OF COVER, RARELY NEED ADDITIONAL HEATING.
UH, MAYBE IN THE SHOULDER MONTHS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY OPEN IT EARLY IN MAY LEAVE IT OPEN THROUGH SEPTEMBER.
YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, HEATING, UH, REQUIREMENTS FROM THE HEATER.
BUT OTHERWISE, PEOPLE GENERALLY, UH, FIND THAT, UH, THE COVERS ARE SO GOOD THAT THEY HAVE TO OPEN THEM UP TO COOL THE POOL WATER DOWN.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? YES.
AND PLEASE, UH, IF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO TURN ON YOUR, YOUR CAMERA, IF YOU HAVE THAT.
UM, I DON'T ON THIS, UH, ON THIS DEVICE, THAT'S OKAY AT THE MOMENT.
BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE BOARD GIVING US OPPORTUNITY TO TALK.
UH, MY QUESTION IS SIMPLE AND PRETTY MUCH, UM, A TESTAMENT TO ME BEING NON-TECHNICAL IN THIS.
WE LIVE DOWN IN WEST MINISTRY ROAD AND, UH, BECAUSE, UH, OF THE WAR AND WHERE WE ARE IN RESPECT TO THE MAPLE RIDGE, UH, THAT THE WATER MIGHT COME DOWNSTREAM, IS THERE ANY CHANCE FOR THE WATER COMING OUR WAY, THE DRAINAGE WATER? THAT'S, THAT IS, AND IF THERE IS, UH, IF, UH, IS THERE ANY MITIGATION STRATEGIES FOR THAT? AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH MY QUESTION, AND YOU MIGHT TELL ME THAT THERE IS NO CONCERN AND I'M FINE WITH THAT.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL ACCEPT THOSE COMMENTS.
DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHERS? BECAUSE WHAT WE'LL DO AT THIS POINT IS JUST TAKE THE REMAINDER OF THE COMMENTS AND THEN HAVE THE APPLICANT ADDRESS ALL OF THE COMMENTS AT THE END.
MR. JOVEE, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR WAS THAT IT AT THIS TIME? NO, THAT'S IT.
DID, DID, DID YOU STATE WHAT YOUR ADDRESS WAS? I DIDN'T HEAR IT.
IF YOU, IT'S 70 WESTMINSTER ROAD.
I'M SORRY, SAY IT ONE MORE TIME.
70 WESTMINSTER ROAD, 70 EAST AVENUE, WESTMINSTER ROAD.
MR. TSAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? UH, GOOD, GOOD EVENING.
UM, UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
UH, I AM THE RESIDENT AT 3 7 3 4 ROAD, UH, WHICH IS A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, UH, TO ONE MAPLE RIDGE COURSE.
AND I SHARED OUR CONCERN IN WRITING WITH THE PLANNING BOARDS.
AND, UH, OUR CONCERN, UH, STEMS FROM THE FACT THAT OUR PROPERTY HAS BEEN FLOODED OVER THE YEARS, AND IT, UH, SITS AT A MUCH LOWER ELEVATION RIGHT BEHIND ONE MAPLE RIDGE COURT.
AND OUR CONCERN IS AROUND THE FACT THAT THERE MIGHT BE ADDITIONAL STORM WATER RUNOFF COMING FROM THE PROPERTY DUE TO THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION AND THE PROPOSED SOLUTION WITH FOUR CALTECH UNITS.
UH, WE ARE WONDERING, CONSIDERING THE STEEP DIFFERENCE IN ELEVATION, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'LL BE SUFFICIENT.
UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
CAN WE ASK THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER THOSE TWO? I THINK THEY, UH, MR. BODEN'S
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QUESTION WAS ANSWERED TO HIS SATISFACTION.SO COULD YOU RESPOND TO THE OTHER TWO QUESTIONS? AND, AND I'M SORRY, JUST, UH, BEFORE YOU DO MR. ARCHIE, I JUST WANNA, UH, NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. STAN'S, UM, EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE AND MEMORANDUM DATED NOVEMBER 23RD, 2021 WAS RECEIVED BY OUR OFFICE.
IT WAS CIRCULATED TO THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, UH, FOR, FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION.
WE ALSO, UH, SUBMITTED IT TO OUR BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, AND IT'S BEEN MADE PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD FOR THE PROJECT, AND IT WAS FORWARDED TO THE APPLICANT AS WELL.
BUT DIDN'T, UH, YOU ALSO ASK THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING TO TAKE A SECOND LOOK AT THE CALCULATION FOR THE CALTECH, AND THEY SAID THAT, UH, IN THIS CASE ALSO, OR I KNOW THEY DID IN THE PREVIOUS CASE.
DID THEY DO THE SAME IN THIS CASE? UH, WE DID, WE DID ASK IF THEY HAD PRELIMINARILY REVIEWED, AND IF THE PROPOSAL MET THE CODE, IT WAS, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY DID TAKE A LOOK AND THAT, UH, THE DESIGN AS PROPOSED MET THE CODE.
NOW I KNOW, UH, MR. RODERICK SAID THAT IT MAY IN FACT EXCEED THE CODE REQUIREMENT, AND HE WAS GOING TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION TO OUR OFFICE REGARDING A 50 YEAR STORM EVENT.
AND, UH, WE WILL FORWARD THAT TO THE TOWN'S BUREAU OF ENGINEERING SO THAT THEY CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
AND I WILL REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD, UH, FOR MR. STAN'S INFORMATION AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, EVEN IF THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD.
AND THE PLANNING BOARD CLOSES THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING AND MOVES FORWARD WITH THE DECISION IN THE NEW YEAR.
THERE'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERMIT REQUIREMENT KNOWN AS A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT CONTROL PERMIT, UH, THAT RUNS THROUGH THE TOWN'S BUREAU OF ENGINEERING.
AND THE DOCUMENTATION RELATED TO THAT PERMIT IS OPEN TO PUBLIC INSPECTION.
AND SO IF YOU WANTED TO SEE THE DOCUMENTATION AS IT'S BEING PROCESSED AND REVIEWED BY THE TOWN'S ENGINEER, UH, YOU MAY CERTAINLY DO THAT.
THAT PERMIT HAS TO BE, UH, ISSUED AND, AND IN PLACE BEFORE THE APPLICANT CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT.
SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT, TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE APPLICANT.
SO WE, WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN FOR STORMWATER.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, A CONSTANT IN, UH, IN DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WE HAVE SYS, UH, MODELING SOFTWARE THAT WAS DEVELOPED BACK IN THE SIXTIES ACTUALLY, THAT THE ARMY CORPS DEVELOPED, AND WE USE THOSE, THAT'S VERY ACCURATE.
UM, IT'S BASICALLY BEEN UNCHANGED SINCE THAT DATE, AND WE'RE ABLE TO VERY ACCURATELY CALCULATE HOW MUCH RUNOFF THERE IS FROM THE CURRENT CONDITION, AND IN THIS CASE, THE LAWN AREA THAT WE'RE GONNA CONVERT TO POOL AND PATIO.
AND WE ANALYZE BOTH OF THOSE CONDITIONS MODELING FOR THE 25 YEAR STORM.
AND IN THIS CASE, I'LL MODEL FOR THE 50 YEAR STORM, WHICH I HAVE DONE, AND I'LL PROVIDE THAT.
AND WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO IS COMPUTE EXACTLY HOW MUCH VOLUME OF WATER IS COMING OFF OF EACH OF THOSE CONDITIONS.
AND THEN WE SIMPLY ARE ABLE TO SUBTRACT THE TWO TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH THE MITIGATING VOLUME THAT WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE GONE INTO THE GROUND IN THE GRASS CONDITION.
AND IN THIS CASE, UH, WE, WE DID SO, AND WE ARE THEN INTRODUCING IT BACK IN THE GROUND IN THE RELATIVE PROXIMITY TO WHERE IT WOULD'VE OTHERWISE BEEN.
UH, I E THE CONVERSION OF LAWN AREA TO, TO PATIO.
SO WE'RE REALLY VERY CLOSELY, UH, IN THE POST DEVELOPMENT CONDITION MIMICKING THE EXISTING CONDITION.
AND, UH, AS I SAID, I'LL BE ABLE TO PROVE OUT THAT THE, THE, UH, THE MITIGATION MEASURES, THE, THE, THE CALTECH UNITS THAT WE'RE PROVIDING HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY TO, UH, PROVE OUT MITIGATION EVEN UP TO THE 50 YEAR STORM SUBSTANTIALLY, UH, ABOVE THE REQUIREMENT OF THE CODE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, BY THE PUBLIC OR THE BOARD MEMBERS ON THIS, UH, APPLICATION? IF NOT, I PROPOSE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL DECEMBER, UH, 10TH.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'M SORRY.
WE KEPT THE RECORD OPEN TO THE 11TH FOR 10 DAYS.
OH, OH, FOR 10 DAYS ON THE LAST ONE.
SO I'LL AMEND MY PROPOSAL THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL DECEMBER 11TH.
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UM, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.SO WE'LL KEEP CLOSE THE RECORD AND KEEP IT OPEN TO DECEMBER THE 11TH.
UM, SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
I'LL FORWARD IT ALONG TO THE TOWNS BUREAU OF ENGINEERING AND REPORT BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND, UH, PROVIDED THAT ALL CHECKS OUT, THE PLANNING BOARD WILL BE IN A POSITION TO RENDER A DECISION AT ITS MEETING ON JANUARY 5TH.
HAVE A HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND A GOOD EVENING.
UH, THERE IS ONE MORE APPLICATION THAT IS TP 2116.
AND THAT'S THE WALK-IN PROJECT LOCATED AT 29 FAITH LANE, P O ARDSLEY, UH, WITHIN A PLANS UNIT DEVELOPMENT, UH, ZONING DISTRICT FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF AN IN-GROUND POOL AND PATIO AREA TO THE REAR OF THE EXISTING RESIDENCE, WHICH REQUIRES A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
THIS PROJECT WAS LAST, UH, DISCUSSED AS PART OF A WORK SESSION ON NOVEMBER 17TH.
THE APPLICANT AND ITS REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING AND FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD AND OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME.
AND, AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I'M, UH, CHRISTOPHER SCHMIDT WITH NEED GROUP.
WE ARE THE POOL CONSTRUCTION, UH, COMPANY AND REPRESENTING THE WAINS TONIGHT.
UH, TROY WAKOWSKI IS ALSO HERE.
HE IS THE CIVIL ENGINEER, UM, ON THE PROJECT.
SO WHAT I WILL DO IS, IS BRIEFLY REVIEW, UM, WHAT WE REVIEWED AT THE WORK SESSION HERE.
UM, LEMME JUST SHARE MY SCREEN.
ARE YOU SEEING THE PLAN OR ARE YOU SEEING MY KIDS? YEAH, WE'RE SEEING PLAN.
YEAH, THE BORDER'S NOT COMING UP.
UH, SO AS, UH, AS, UH, AARON HAD MENTIONED, WE'RE INSTALLING AN INGROUND WITH GUNITE POOL.
IT'S AN 18 BY 40, UH, SO IT'S A 720 SQUARE FOOT POOL WITH AN EIGHT BY EIGHT HOT TUB ADJACENT TO THE POOL.
AS YOU SEE HERE, WE ARE ALSO GONNA BE REMOVING OR ADDING ONTO THE ADDITIONAL PATIO THAT'S GOING IN THE BACK FOR A TOTAL OF 750 SQUARE FEET.
THE, UH, WE'RE IN FRONT OF THE BOARD TONIGHT FOR A STEEP SLOPE APPLICATION AND APPROVAL, UM, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE POOL EXTENDS INTO THE REAR YARD, INTO THE STEEP SLOPE AREA HERE, OUR PLAN IS TO MITIGATE THE STEEP SLOPE WITH A SERIES OF BOULDER WALLS TO TERRACE THE YARD.
ALL OF THE AREA BETWEEN THE BOULDER WALLS AND BETWEEN THE POOL AND THE UPPER BOULDER WALL, WHICH WOULD BE THIS AREA, UM, WILL BE RESTORED WITH PLANTING AND EVERYTHING BEYOND THE LIVING OF DISTURBANCE.
AND UP TO THE LOWER WALL WILL BE RESTORED TO THE EXISTING LAWN, UH, THAT IS THERE.
NOW, UM, WE HAVE DESIGNED PRELIMINARILY A STORMWATER SYSTEM TO COLLECT THE RUNOFF FROM THE PATIO, UM, INTO THESE COAL TECH UNITS HERE.
UM, YOU MENTIONED ALSO QUICKLY BEFORE ABOUT THE SCREENING, SO I FIGURED I WOULD ADDRESS THAT AS WELL.
NOW, THE RESIDENCE IS A FLAG LOT, SO THERE'S ONLY, UM, REALLY ONE NEIGHBOR THAT WOULD BE VISIBLE TO THE REAR YARD AND DO THE SLOPE.
THERE IS NO TRUE VISIBLE, UH, PATH FROM THIS HOUSE INTO THE BACKYARD WHERE THE POOL WILL BE, ALL OTHER SIDES OF THE REAR YARD ARE SCREENED WITH EXISTING VEGETATION.
UM, THERE ARE A FEW RENDERINGS OF THE POOL AREA ITSELF TO GIVE YOU A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE TOPOGRAPHY AND WHAT THE FUTURE PLANTINGS WILL BE WITHIN THOSE AREAS.
THE END OF THE POOL, UM, WILL BE EXPOSED IN THIS CORNER AND FINISHED WITH A STUCCO FINISHED TO ALSO HELP MITIGATE THE SLOPE THAT'S THERE SOMEWHERE TO THE OTHER POOL AT APPLICATION, UH, AS WELL AS OUR ACCESS AREA.
EVERYTHING WILL BE FROM THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY DOWN THROUGH THE REAR YARD, OVER TO THE, TO THE POOL AREA HERE.
THERE WILL BE NO FILL IMPORTED OR REMOVED FROM THE SITE THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT AS WELL.
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AND THAT IS THE, UH, THE PROJECT FOR REVIEW.I SEE YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFULLY, A BEAUTIFUL DETAIL, UH, LANDSCAPE.
IS THOSE, THE, THAT LANDSCAPE PART OF THE SUBMITTED LANDSCAPE AND PLAN? IT IS NOT, WE HAVE NOT FINALIZED THE ENTIRE PLANTING PLAN FOR THIS.
THIS IS FOR RENDERING PURPOSES AT THIS POINT.
YEAH, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, UH, BUT FOR THE PLANNING BOARD WHO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE STEEP SLOPE, IT WOULD BE MORE ACCURATE IF YOU DREW PICTURES OF WHAT YOU ACTUALLY PLAN TO PUT IN.
AS OPPOSED TO AN ENHANCED, UH, ENHANCED, UH, PICTURE.
SO WE CAN PROVIDE THE PLANNING BOARD WITH A, A LANDSCAPE PLAN AND, AND PLAN SELECTION.
ONE THING, UM, YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THINGS IN THE FIELD THAT COME UP AT THE TIME OF PLACEMENT.
SO IF, YOU KNOW YOU HAVE GRASSES AND YOU HAVE TO SHIFT THEM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT CAN BE COORDINATED IN THE FIELD.
BUT AS LONG AS WE HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF, UM, THE PROPOSAL AND, AND A PLANT CHART, UH, WITH SIZES AND SPECIES, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
I DID WANNA PIGGYBACK OFF THAT IF I MAY.
THERE WAS A COMMENT AT THE WORK SESSION ABOUT, UM, ENSURING THAT, OH, AND, AND CONSIDERING, AND I, I BELIEVE YOU HAD SAID THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED, BUT, UM, SOME POLLINATOR PLANTS WITHIN THAT, THAT PALLET OF LANDSCAPING.
UM, AND I, I BELIEVE YOU HAD AGREED THAT, UH, THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED.
SO I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT.
I, I DID ORIGINALLY AND THEN UPON, UM, CONFERRING WITH MY CLIENT, ONE OF THEIR DAUGHTERS HAS A, AN ALLERGY, UM, TO BEES.
SO THEY ASKED THAT WE NOT, UH, OKAY.
ENCOURAGE ANY MORE INTO THE BACKYARD.
BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LANDSCAPE AND PLAN THAT REASONABLY, UH, REPRESENT WHAT YOU FINALLY PLAN TO PUT IN, UH, IN CONSIDERATION THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS, ONSITE ADJUSTMENTS.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT, BUT, UH, WE, UH, UH, UH, WE KEEP THE RECORD OPEN.
I, I I WOULD, UH, UH, PROBABLY TO DECEMBER 11TH, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SUBMIT A, A, A, UH, LANDSCAPING PLAN? SO BEFORE WE MAKE OUR FINAL DECISION ON THIS APPLICATION? YES, SIR.
OR IN THIS CASE, PARDON ME? YES, WE CERTAINLY CAN.
SO IF YOU COULD DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UH, SAY, I THINK WE DO HAVE AT LEAST ONE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, BUT THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
DID MS. RETAG, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THIS PLAN IS NOT GOING TO BE ANYTHING WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
IF THERE'S A CHILD THERE THAT'S ALLERGIC TO BEES, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY FLOWERING PLANTS WHATSOEVER BECAUSE ANYTHING FLOWERING IS GOING TO ATTRACT BEES TO THE AREA.
SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY FLOWERING PLANTS IN THIS LANDSCAPE PLANT.
WELL, THEY HAD ASKED, WE CAN PUT SOME FLOWERING PLANTS IN, BUT THEY DID ASK US ABOUT BE VERY MINIMAL, I WOULD SAY.
AND NOT ONES THAT SPECIFICALLY ATTRACT, UH,
YOU'RE GOING TO BE USING PREDOMINANTLY GRASSES AND GREEN PLANTS.
SO, LET'S SEE, SOMETHING OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING THIS LANDSCAPE PLAN IS NOTHING LIKE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE.
YEAH, I WAS JUST MADE AWARE OF THE ALLERGY AFTER THE LAST MEETING.
UM, AND WE HAVEN'T REVISED THE PLANTING PLAN SINCE THEN.
SO IF, YEAH, IF YOU GUYS CAN GET THAT IN WITHIN, UM, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A WEEK, IDEALLY A LITTLE SOONER, BUT BY NEXT WEDNESDAY, I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE IT, UH, BOTH TO THE BOARD AND TO POST IT UP ON OUR WEBSITE AND THE EVENT, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC FOLLOWING THE PROJECT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AND SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY FEEDBACK BEFORE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD CLOSES, ASSUMING THE BOARD CLOSES, ASSUMING THE BOARD CLOSES TONIGHT AND LEAVES IT
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OPEN FOR A PERIOD OF 10 DAYS.I KNOW MR. BODEN HAS COMMENTS UNLESS THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, YOU TAKE THE SCREEN SHARE DOWN PLEASE.
ANY OTHER MEMBER, UH, QUESTION FROM MEMBERS OF THE BOARD BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO THE PUBLIC? IF NOT, THEN, UH, GO AHEAD, CORRECT? YES.
YEAH, JUST, UH, WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NO TREES BEING REMOVED.
CUT, CUT DOWN FOR THE, UH, PROPOSAL.
UH, THERE ARE NO TREES TO BE REMOVED.
THERE'S NO TREES TO BE REMOVED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? IF NOT, WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE PUBLIC WITH MISS THE BODEN, UH, BEING THE FIRST SPEAKER.
I LEARNED FROM THE, UH, LAST PUBLIC HEARING THAT THERE IS ADDITIONAL HEATING FOR SWIMMING POOLS AND THAT THE LAST APPLICANT WAS USING PROPANE.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FROM THIS APPLICANT WHAT THE ADDITIONAL HEATING WILL BE AND WHERE THE PROPANE TANK WILL BE BECAUSE, UH, YOU WON'T USE FUEL OIL AND THERE'S MORATORIUM, I'D GUESS THANK YOU, COR, CORRECT.
SO WE'LL BE USING A PROPANE HEATER, UM, AND THE PROPANE TANK WILL BE LOCATED, UM, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE REGULATED SETBACKS.
UM, IT'LL BE MORE ON THE UPPER PORTION OF THE YARD TOWARDS THE DRIVEWAY SO IT CAN BE ACCESSED TO BE FILLED FROM THE TRUCK.
UM, THIS POOL ALSO HAS AN AUTOMATIC COVER SIMILAR TO THE OTHER APPLICATION.
SO REALLY THE HEAT WILL MAINLY BE USED IN THE SHOULDER MONTHS AND FOR THE HOT TUB ALONE.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC? SEEING HOW, THOUGH THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC, I PROPOSE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE OPEN, KEEP THE RECORD OPEN TO DECEMBER THE 11TH, AND DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, THE APPLICANT AGREED TO SUBMIT A REVISED, UH, LANDSCAPING PLAN.
SECOND, WE, WE WOULD ASK THAT TO BE SUBMITTED BY THE EIGHTH.
IF, IF THAT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED, DO DOES THAT GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME? YES, IT DOES.
YEAH, WE CAN HAVE IT IN BY NEXT WEDNESDAY.
UM, SO I MAKE A PROPOSAL AND CLOSE UP PUBLIC HEARING, KEEP IT OPEN TO THE, UH, 11TH WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE APPLICANT WILL SUBMIT UPDATED PLAN BY DECEMBER 8TH, YOU SAID? YES, THE EIGHTH.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THAT? SECOND.
THAT BEING THE LAST THING ON THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, UH, EXCUSE ME.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GO BACK INTO WORK SESSION SECOND.
OKAY, SO GETTING BACK INTO WORK SESSION.
OUR LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING IS P CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 30 CASAL, UM, WHICH YOU MAY, WHICH YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH BECAUSE WE HAD, UH, THE CASAL PROJECT IN, UH, PREVIOUSLY.
UH, THIS CURRENT PROPOSAL IS FOR PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 34 DASH 40 50 DOUBLE ZERO AND 10 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, PO HASTINGS ON HUDSON, NEW YORK IN THE LI LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT IS APPEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD THIS EVENING AS PART OF A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE TO DISCUSS A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AMENDED SITE PLAN AND PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATION, AS WELL AS A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATION, UM, FOR A PROJECT, UH, PROPOSING THE SUBDIVISION OF EIGHT EXISTING TAX LOTS INTO ONE LOT.
THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING TO MODIFY THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE BY MOVING STORAGE BINS TO MORE EFFICIENT LOCATIONS, ADDING OFF STREET PARKING, ADDING STORAGE LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE SITE, AND RELATED IMPROVEMENTS WHICH THE APPLICANT WILL EXPAND UPON.
UM, THE APPLICANT ANTICIPATES THAT AREA VARIANCES WILL BE REQUIRED FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AS PART OF THE PROJECT STAFF NOTES THAT CERTAIN LOTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT WERE THE SUBJECT
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OR WERE SUBJECT TO PRIOR SUBDIVISION SITE PLAN AND STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATIONS UNDER CASE NUMBER PB 20 DASH ZERO FOUR THAT WERE APPROVED AND REMAIN VALID.UH, THOUGH THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLATT WAS NEVER FILED, WAS NOT FILED, UH, STAFF ADDITIONALLY NOTES THAT THE APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED SEVERAL AREA VARIANCES FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AS PART OF ITS PRIOR APPLICATION.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD.
I'LL NOW TURN IT OVER TO MS. ROBERTS.
WELL, BEFORE WE SAY THAT I REMIND THE PLANNING BOARD THAT THIS IS A, A, A, UM, A PRELIMINARY SUB.
OH, NO, WE, UH, PRE-SUBMISSION.
IT'S A PRE-SUBMISSION, UH, UM, APPLICATION.
SO OUR ROLE TODAY OR THIS EVENING IS TO HIGHLIGHT SOME KEY ISSUES IN, UH, IN THIS APPLICATION THAT WE, UH, ASKING, UH, THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS WHEN THEY SUBMIT A FORM FORMAL APPLICATION.
SO THE HIGHLIGHTS IT, SO WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE PROPOSAL WHEN IT'S FORMALLY, UH, UH, SUBMITTED.
BUT OUR, OUR JOB TONIGHT IS JUST TO POINT OUT TO THOSE AREAS THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY COVER WHEN THEY SUBMIT A FORMAL APPLICATION.
OKAY? SO I'LL TURN THAT OVER TO THE APPLICANT.
AS ALWAYS, YOU MAKE MAKE MY JOB MUCH EASIER.
YOU GIVE SUCH THOROUGH, THOROUGH OVERVIEWS OF PROJECTS.
BUT, UM, I'D LIKE TO SAY GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN.
MY NAME IS KATE ROBERTS WITH THE LAW FIRM OF ZIN AND STEIN METS.
UM, ALSO WITH ME IS JOE MELLI FROM CALLARD SESSIONS.
AND WE'RE HERE ON BEHALF OF MR. LUIGI CA, WHO'S ENTITIES OWN LOTS 34 DASH 40, LOT 50 AND BLO 10 ON SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
AS AARON SAID, THE THE PROJECT YOU SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT FAMILIAR WITH, AS YOU JUST HAD GRANTED PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN AND SUBDIVISION APPROVAL FOR LOTS 34 DASH 40 AND 50.
SINCE APPROVING THAT APPLICATION, OUR CLIENT HAS RETAINED OWNERSHIP OF 10 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD AND HE'S ALSO CONTRACT EE TO ZERO ZERO SAW SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, BOTH OF WHICH ARE ADJACENT PARCELS.
SO HE REALLY HAS GAINED CONTROL OF A WHOLE STRIP OF LAND, WHICH WE THINK, UM, NOW COMING BEFORE YOU WITH THIS REVISED APPLICATION TO INCLUDE ALL OF THOSE LOTS, WE REALLY THINK THAT IT MAKES FOR A BETTER OPERATION OF HIS SITE, BOTH, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT FOR HIS BUSINESS, BUT ALSO JUST FOR INTEROPERATION VEHICLES THROUGHOUT THIS SITE.
UM, AS ERIN STATED, WE DO, WE DO UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM STAFF AND ULTIMATELY WE'LL NEED TO RECEIVE A SERIES OF NEW REVISED VARIANCES FROM D B A.
BUT WE DO APPRECIATE BOARD ALLOWING US TO COME ON TONIGHT FOR A PRELIMINARY MEETING TO GET YOUR INITIAL COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK.
SO THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE THEM ONCE WE RECEIVE THE STAFF COMMENTS AS WELL.
UM, IF THE BOARD HAS NO QUESTIONS, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO JOE, WHO I THINK IS GONNA PULL UP THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SUBDIVISION PLAT, UM, OR SITE PLAN, AND THEN SHOW YOU WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED NOW SO THAT YOU CAN REALLY JUST SEE SORT OF A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON.
SO, JOE, I'LL, I'LL TURN IT TO YOU IF YOU'RE READY.
UH, CAN YOU SEE MY SCREEN? YES, WE CAN.
YEAH, ACTUALLY, I ROTATED THE PLAN, UH, FOR A REASON.
I WANTED TO TRY AND, AND ORIENTATE THIS SO THAT, UH, WHEN I PULL UP THE, THE NEW PROPOSED PLAN, IT'S IN THE SAME, UH, ORIENTATION.
BUT THIS IS THE, YOU'LL PROB YOU SHOULD, UH, I'M SURE YOU REMEMBER THIS.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU HAD SEEN AND ULTIMATELY APPROVED EARLIER THIS YEAR.
UH, THE EXISTING, YOU KNOW, UH, SAWMILL SUPPLY BUSINESS, UH, RETAIL BUILDING, UH, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON THE PROPERTY, VARIOUS STORAGE BINS AND, AND SORTING BINS, SOME OFF STREET PARKING LOCATED AT THE, UH, THE CENTRAL REAR OF THE SITE AND ALONG THE, UH, NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND IF YOU RECALL, THERE ARE THREE EXISTING CURB CUTS ON THE PROPERTY.
THERE'S A CENTRAL CUT, UH, THERE'S AN EXISTING CURB CUT IN THIS LOCATION THAT IS PART OF THE APPROVAL WAS TO BE REMOVED, AND THEN AN EXISTING, UH, CURB CUT AT THE SOUTHERN END, THAT WOULD REMAIN AS WELL.
UM, ALSO, AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION AT THE TIME, THERE WAS, UH, CONSIDERATION TO, UH, A FUTURE APPLICATION,
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OOPS, SORRY, FOR, UM, REPLACING THE EXISTING ASPHALT SIDEWALK ALONG SALM RIVER ROAD WITH A PAVER SIDEWALK TO HELP, UH, DISPLAY AND SHOWCASE SOME OF THE PRODUCTS THAT, UH, CASSEL SELLS AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, DISTRIBUTES.UH, SO THE, THIS PROPERTY THAT YOU SEE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU, THIS IS THE 34 TO 40 AND 50 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
UH, AND JUST TO PUT THAT IN CONTEXT, OUR, OUR CURRENT PLAN, AND, AND I SHOULD NOTE, WE WEREN'T INVOLVED IN THE ORIGINAL, AS YOU KNOW, IN THE ORIGINAL SUBDIVISION, UH, PROJECT.
WE'VE SINCE BEEN RETAINED TO DEAL WITH THE, THE NEW OVERALL THE SUBDIVISION.
SO THE, THE PLAN I JUST SHOWED YOU WA INCLUDED THESE PARCELS HERE.
SO THIS IS 34 DASH 40, AND THIS IS 50.
UH, SINCE THE APPROVAL, THE PRELIMINARY APPROVAL, LUIGI CASAL HAS SINCE PURCHASED, UH, 10 SAW MOVER ROAD, WHICH IS THIS, UH, LONG, I'M SORRY, THIS PARCEL HERE, AND IN CONTRACT FOR DOUBLE ZERO.
UM, SO HAVING ALL THESE COMBINED INTO A, A SINGLE LOT NOW GREATLY IMPROVES THE OPERATIONS AS THEY EXIST TODAY.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES IN THE USE OR THE OPERATIONS, IT'S JUST FUNCTIONS.
UH, WE THINK FAR BETTER THAN WHAT IT DOES TODAY.
AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, TODAY, HE OWNS AND OPERATES UP TO ABOUT, WELL, TO THIS LINE HERE.
UM, WE'VE ESSENTIALLY DOUBLED THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY ENABLED, WHICH ENABLES, UM, BETTER MOVEMENT IN BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE INTERNAL CIRCULATION, UH, POTENTIALLY MINIMIZES TRAFFIC ONTO SALT RIVER ROAD.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, REARRANGED SOME OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SORTING BINS AND PARKING SOMEWHAT.
LEMME JUST ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT, JOE, WHILE YOU'RE ZOOMING IN.
I ALSO, YOU, YOU JUST MENTIONED SAWMILL RIVER.
WE ARE REDUCING BY ONE CURB CUT.
SO, UH, I COULD JUST REVIEW THAT REAL QUICK WHILE WE HAVE THIS UP.
SO THIS IS THE EXISTING CUT TO REMAIN.
THE EXISTING CUT TO BE ELIMINATED IS STILL PROPOSED TO BE ELIMINATED IN THIS GENERAL LOCATION.
THIS IS THE CURRENT SOUTHERN CURB CUT THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP.
THIS CURB CUT CURRENTLY SERVES DOUBLE ZERO, AND WE'RE PROPOSING NO CHANGES TO THAT.
AND THIS CURB CUT SERVES, UH, 10 SOOMO RIVER.
AND AGAIN, WE DON'T PROPOSE ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THAT.
SO WHAT WAS THREE CUTS REDUCED TO TWO IS NOW, UH, FIVE CUTS REDUCED TO FOUR.
THE, UM, THE PRIOR SITE PLAN, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDINGS DON'T CHANGE THE PARKING, WE RECONFIGURED SLIGHTLY.
THERE WERE A TOTAL OF EIGHT PARKING SPACES IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY OF THE EXISTING RETAIL BUILDING.
THERE WERE SIX ALONG THIS STRETCH HERE.
SO WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING, UH, WE, WE MOVED, THERE WERE TWO ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
WE MOVED ONE OF THE SPACES TO PROVIDE THREE ON THE NORTH SIDE WITH ADEQUATE ACCESS ALONG THE, THE FRONT AND INTO THE SITE, PROVIDED AN A D A ACCESSIBLE SPACE, AND THEN A, A FIFTH SPACE IN THIS LOCATION.
AND THEN, BECAUSE WE'VE E ELONGATED THE SITE AND, AND THE, UH, THE USE, THIS SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE USED PRIMARILY TO DISPLAY STONE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPE MATERIALS.
SO THE IDEA WAS TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING HERE SO THAT A CUSTOMER COMING IN COULD PARK AND, AND WALK THROUGH THIS DISPLAY AREA TO SEE THE VARIOUS MATERIALS THAT THEY HAVE AVAILABLE TO THEM, AND THEN ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, MAKE THEIR WAY THROUGH THE YARD TO THE RETAIL STORE.
OR OBVIOUSLY IF THEY HAD TO OR WANTED TO, THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, GET BACK IN THEIR VEHICLE AND LEAVE THE SITE.
UM, WE'RE ALSO WITH THIS PLAN, PROVIDING THIS INTERNAL CONNECTION.
UH, RIGHT NOW THIS LOT NUMBER 10 IS ESSENTIALLY PAVED IN ITS ENTIRETY.
UH, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO EXPAND THAT AT ALL, OR, OR MODIFY THAT IN ANY WAY EXCEPT TO CREATE THIS DRIVEWAY CONNECTION BETWEEN 10 THROUGH ZERO INTO 40, UH, 34, 40 AND 50.
UH, THERE'S ABOUT AN EIGHT FOOT CHANGE IN GRADE FROM THIS LOT TO THE, THE LOWER LOTS HERE.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING A, A DRIVEWAY CONNECTION, JUST A, A SUBTLE RAMP FROM THE UPPER ELEVATION DOWN THROUGH THE SITE.
UH, WE'LL REACH EXISTING GRADE, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE IN THIS AREA HERE BEFORE WE EVEN GET, UH, BY THE ACCESS GATES.
UM, AND THAT'LL AGAIN PROVIDE A NICE INTERNAL, UM, CONNECTION BETWEEN ALL THE PROPERTIES, UH, BOTH FOR CUSTOMER USE AND FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, ANY INTERNAL CIRCULATION BY THE, UH, BY THE OWNER.
UM, WE PROVIDED ENOUGH SPACE FOR FIVE,
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UM, OVERNIGHT TRUCK PARKING.SO HE'S GOT SOME SMALL EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW, SMALL DUMP TRUCKS OR WHATNOT.
UM, TRAILERS THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PARK HERE AT NIGHT, OBVIOUSLY DURING THE DAY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE OUT OF THE SITE.
UH, SO THAT WOULD OPEN UP THE AREA FOR THE, UM, CUSTOMER PARKING.
UH, AND AGAIN, IT, IT IS REALLY JUST A MATTER OF REARRANGING THE SITE, UTILIZING THE ADDED LOT AREA TO BETTER, UM, SITUATE STORAGE BINS, MATERIAL STORAGE, OUTDOOR DISPLAY AREAS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE.
UM, AND WE ARE PROPOSING TWO STORAGE SHEDS.
UH, ONE BEHIND THE EXISTING ACCESSORY BUILDING, ABOUT 20 BY 40 IN SIZE AND A SECOND, UH, IN THE CENTRAL AREA OF WHAT IS NOW 10.
UH, AND THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 28 BY 50 FEET IN SIZE.
AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, FOR STORAGE OF, UM, MATERIALS, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE RETAIL STORE, STONE SAND, UM, PALLETS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, MORTAR AND AND SUCH.
SO, UM, WE DID LOOK AT, UM, I GUESS I'LL JUST GO BRIEFLY THROUGH THE SET HERE.
UH, WE, WE ARE DISTURBING AS YOU, AS YOU SAW IN THE FIRST PLAN HERE.
THERE IS SOME SLIGHT OR MINIMAL DISTURBANCES TO STEEP SLOPES, UH, VARIOUS RANGES.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE DETAILS OF THAT YET.
UH, BUT THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE LOT IS DISTURBED AND EITHER DEVELOPED OR DEVELOPED RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE, I'LL CALL IT EXPANDED AREAS THAT WE'RE DISTURBING.
THERE'S A SLIGHT, UH, EXPANSION HERE TO PROVIDE THE ADDED PARKING.
WE ARE, UH, THIS IS ALREADY A DISTURBED AREA USED FOR STORAGE AS A, UH, A RAMP THAT, UH, RUNS ALONG THE BACK OF THIS BUILDING TO PROVIDE A CONNECTION TO THE PARKING LOT HERE WITH THE, THE LOWER LOT.
WE'RE GOING TO, UH, OR WE'RE PROPOSING TO REGRADE THIS TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, SHIFT THESE STORAGE BINS TO BETTER, UM, ORIENTATE AND, AND LAY OUT THE PARKING FOR THE RETAIL SPACE.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S THE DRIVEWAY CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO LOTS.
SO THERE'LL BE SOME DISTURBANCE IN THIS AREA HERE.
UM, THESE ARE JUST ENLARGED VERSIONS OF THAT PLAN.
UH, WE DID DO, UH, WE PREPARED AN EROSION SEDIMENT CONTROL PLAN, OBVIOUSLY, TO, TO PROTECT THE SITE DURING CONSTRUCTION.
AND WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE, UH, TURNING MOVEMENTS THAT WERE APPROVED OR, OR REVIEWED AND APPROVED DURING THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN AND SUBDIVISION, AND EXPANDED IT TO INCLUDE THE NEW LOTS THAT HAVE RECENTLY BEEN ADDED TO THE SITE.
UH, WE USE THE SAME DESIGN GUIDELINES AND, UH, AND PROTOCOL THAT WAS, UH, DONE IN THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL, AND YOU'LL SEE HERE, UH, IN RED ARE THE TURNING MOVEMENTS, I'M SORRY, IN BLUE ARE THE TURNING MOVEMENTS INTO THE SITE, BOTH LEFT AND RIGHT FROM SONG RIVER ROAD INTO THE, EACH OF THE CURB CUTS.
UM, AND THEN IN RED ARE THE EXITING LANES, RED AND GREEN, RED BEING RIGHT, TURNOUT, LEFT BEING, OR GREEN RATHER BEING LEFT TURNOUT.
UH, AND IN EVERY INSTANCE, UH, WE'VE DEMONSTRATED FOR TWO VEHICLE SIZES, SINGLE UNIT, 40 FOOT TRUCK, AND A WB 40 THAT, UH, THERE ARE NO CONFLICTS.
UH, THE TURNING RADIUSS WORK FINE FOR ALL, ALL CONDITIONS, ALL SCENARIOS, UH, FOR BOTH VEHICLES.
WE'VE ALSO, UM, IN THE AERIAL IMAGE UP ABOVE, WE ARE DEMONSTRATING THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE STOPPING SITE AND INTERSECTION DISTANCE SITE DISTANCES, AGAIN FOR ALL, UH, CURB CUTS IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY STAFF WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT AND, AND, UH, COMPARE THAT TO THE, THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
BUT WE, WE FEEL THAT, UM, TRUCK MANEUVERING INTO AND OUT OF THE SITE AS WELL AS THROUGH THE SITE AND, AND THE SITE DISTANCES REQUIRED AT THE INTERSECTION, UM, YOU KNOW, METER EXCEED ALLOWABLE LIMITS.
UH, WE ARE REMOVING A TOTAL OF SEVEN TREES.
UH, LET'S SEE, CENTRAL TO THIS SITE.
WE HAVE RECEIVED INITIAL COMMENTS FROM TOWN STAFF ON OUR TREE PERMIT APPLICATION, AND WE UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO HIRE AN ARBORIST.
UM, AARON, I'M, I'M WORKING WITH THE CLIENT TO POTENTIALLY HIRE DAVIES, WHO WE WORKED WITH ON THE, UM, NATIONAL ROAD SAFETY FOUNDATION PROJECT.
I, I THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE VERY THOROUGH, UM, AND PROFESSIONAL.
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CLIENT TO POTENTIALLY BRING THEM ON BOARD.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AS MANY TREES, IT'S ONLY SEVEN TREES, BUT STILL, UM, SO WE'LL, WE'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED ON THAT.
YEAH, THEY'RE, THEY'LL, THEY DID A WONDERFUL JOB ON THAT PRIOR APPLICATION AND, UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THEM IF IN FACT, THEY'RE BROUGHT ON BOARD.
AND, AND ALL, ALL SEVEN OF THE TREES BEING PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL ARE LOCATED ON THE, THE DOUBLE ZERO LOT.
AND IT'S, IT'S IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THAT
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INTERNAL CONNECTION BETWEEN WHAT IS NOW 10 AND THE REMAINING SITE, I, I WOULDN'T DOUBT THAT'S AT LEAST SOME OF THEM ARE INVASIVE NORWAY MAPLES.THERE'S NOT A WHOLE HECK OF A LOT OF VEGETATION DOWN, UH, BETWEEN AND WITHIN THOSE LOTS.
UM, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO, YEAH, NO, IT'S VERY SPARSE, IF ANY.
IT'S AT THE, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE REAR LOT LINE.
AND EVEN THAT IS FAIRLY LIMITED.
THERE'S, THERE'S NOT MUCH, IF ANY, ALONG 34, 40 AND 50.
UM, THERE MAY BE SOME AT THE REAR OF DOUBLE ZERO.
A LOT OF THE VEGETATION YOU SEE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT AERIALS IS THE REAR YARDS OF THE PROPERTIES ON HEATH PLACE.
UM, JOE, I, I THINK IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER PARTICULAR DETAILS YOU WANNA GO THROUGH, I'D LOVE TO GET BOARD'S INITIAL COMMENTS.
I KNOW WE WANTED TO KEEP IT BRIEF.
IT'S PRELIMINARY AND IT'S, UH, WELL, IT'S EARLIER THAN I EXPECTED.
UM, SO WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE IT TO THE BOARD FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
I HAVE A SERIOUS QUESTION, BUT FIRST I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE, UH, OTHER BOARD MEMBERS BEFORE, UH, I, UH, HAVE MY SUGGESTIONS OR SOME OF THE THINGS YOU NEED TO LOOK AT IS ANY, WELL, AARON HAS HIS HAND UP FIRST.
UH, ALL I WANTED TO SAY AHEAD OF TIME BEFORE ANY, UM, MEMBERS HAD QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS WAS THAT, UM, KNOWING THAT WE HAD THE PRIOR APPLICATION REVIEWED BY, UH, JOHN CANNING OF KINLEY HORN, UH, WE HAVE ALREADY NOTIFIED HIS OFFICE OF THIS PROPOSAL AND THEY WILL BE BROUGHT ON BOARD.
IN FACT, WE'VE SENT SOME PRELIMINARY MATERIALS ALONG TO, UH, MR. CANNINGS OFFICE.
SO I JUST WANTED THE BOARD TO BE AWARE THAT WE'RE ON TOP OF THAT AND WE CAN EXPECT REPORTS, FEEDBACK, AND, AND EVEN UH, TESTIMONY AS THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD INTO A, A FORMAL STAGE.
I THINK MR. HAY HAD A QUESTION.
YOU JUST ELIMINATED MY FIRST QUESTION.
AARON, CAN YOU ASK MINE TOO? MY VOICE IS NOT SO GREAT.
UM, GIVEN THAT YOU STATED THAT THE, YOU KNOW, LOT IS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER, IT, I BELIEVE YOU STILL ONLY GOT EIGHT PARKING SPACES, IS THAT CORRECT? IT WAS EIGHT BEFORE, YES.
AND IT'S EIGHT NOW, CORRECT? YEP, THAT'S TRUE.
UM, AND I THINK THE, THE REASON THAT EXPANDED PARKING WASN'T LOOKED INTO WAS, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH WE'VE EXPANDED AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, SQUARE FOOTAGE GOES, I DON'T THINK THE ACTUAL OPERATION OR IS HE INCREASING INVENTORY, JOE, OR IS HE JUST SPREADING THINGS OUT OVER THE LOTS? UM, UH, I WOULD IMAGINE THERE'D BE A COMBINATION OF BOTH.
BUT IT'S, IT, I'M SURE YOU'VE BEEN BY THE SITE TODAY, YOU KNOW, AS, AS IT OPERATES CURRENTLY, IT, IT'S VERY, UH, VERY CONSTRAINED THAT HE'S GOT A LOT GOING ON AND A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE.
SO, UH, PICKING UP THESE ADDITIONAL LOTS CERTAINLY ALLOWS HIM TO SPREAD OUT A LITTLE BIT AND, AND WORK A LITTLE BIT MORE HUMANE, UH, AND NOT HAVE EVERYTHING ON TOP OF EVERYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, HE IS GOT TRUCKS AND, AND SORTING BINS AND MATERIAL IN SUCH A TIGHT AREA THAT HE JUST, HE REALLY JUST NEEDS TO SPREAD OUT A LITTLE BIT AND GIVE HIMSELF SOME BREATHING ROOM.
SO I, I DON'T THINK THE, I DON'T THINK IT'S A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, INCREASING, UM, CERTAINLY NOT INCREASING OPERATIONS.
UH, IT'S REALLY JUST A MATTER OF FUNCTIONING MORE EFFICIENTLY.
WELL, GIVEN WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THAT IS MY CONCERN FROM, YOU KNOW, BEING A HOMEOWNER AND VISITING SOME OF THESE THINGS.
SOMETIMES ON THE WEEKENDS, YOU KNOW, IT CAN GET A LITTLE BUSY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC FLOW IS AT HIS BUSINESS, HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD COME AT AT ONE TIME.
BUT IF THERE ARE TRUCKS, UM, RUNNING AROUND AND THERE'S, IT'S NOT EASY TO FIND A PLACE TO PARK IF ONE OF THE, IF ALL THESE SPACES ARE FULL.
I GUESS MY CONCERN IS MAYBE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SAFE PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO PUT THEIR CAR IF THEY'RE COMING INTO THIS AND IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE BUSY.
'CAUSE BEFORE THEY WERE ALL CONCENTRATED BY THE MAIN BUILDING, NOW YOU'VE GOT THREE ON THE OTHER END, WHICH PEOPLE MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW WERE EVEN THERE.
EH, I WOULD JUST WORRY THAT PEOPLE WILL COME IN AND JUST PARK IN FRONT OF SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BLOCK SOMETHING ELSE OR NOT KNOW WHERE TO PARK.
SO SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IN, IN MY FEELING.
BUT THE OTHER THING IS, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE VARIANCE.
YOU HAVE LIKE 14 LISTED HERE, SOME OF WHICH WERE GRANTED ALREADY.
IT SAYS DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENT, 23 SPACES, DIMENSION PROVIDED EIGHT SPACES, VARIANCE 15 BEFORE IT WAS 12.
JUST TAKE ME THROUGH HOW THAT ALL ADDS UP.
SO DO YOU WANNA GO THROUGH PARTICULAR NUMBERS OR WHY 23 SPACES ARE WHAT ARE REQUIRED? I, UM, COMPONENT OF THAT? YEAH.
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UNDERSTAND IF 23 WERE REQUIRED.I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS REQUIRED BEFORE.
MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE, UM, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE NOW.
SO THE, I DEFINITELY THINK THERE'S AT LEAST THREE MORE OR FOUR MORE SPACES REQUIRED THIS TIME AROUND THAN LAST TIME.
PART OF THE REASON WHY THERE'S MORE SPACES REQUIRED IS AARON AND THE STAFF HAD INDICATED THAT THESE OUTDOOR STORAGE SHEDS WERE ACTUALLY CONSIDERED WAREHOUSES, I THINK UNDER THE CODE, AND THEY REQUIRE PARKING SPACES.
UM, I THINK IT'S LIKE 1.5 OR ONE PER SQUARE FOOT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
JOE, YOU WOULD KNOW THE DETAILS MORE THAN I WOULD ABOUT THE NUMBER.
BUT THAT'S WHY THE AMOUNT OF PARKING IS SO MUCH.
UM, YEAH, I BELIEVE THE ORIGINAL, UM, APPROVAL REQUIRED 21 SPACES IF MEMORY SERVES.
AND WE HAD TO ADD TWO MORE, OR BY CODE REQUIRED TWO MORE BECAUSE OF THOSE ADDED OUTBUILDINGS.
I I THINK THE REQUIREMENT FOR WAREHOUSING IS ONE PER THOUSAND.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, THOSE TWO ADD UP TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A HAIR UNDER TWO, 2000.
SO THAT ENTAILS THE REQUIREMENT FOR TWO ADDITIONAL SPACES.
IN, IN YOUR FORMAL APPLICATION, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A CHART OR SOMETHING TO CLEARLY INDICATE THAT, ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT THE PARKING.
JOE, UM, JOE, IS IT ALREADY ON THE SITE PLAN? I WAS GONNA SAY, I THOUGHT IT WAS ON, YOU HAVE MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS THE, THE PARKING SUMMARY WE HAVE IN THE PLAN CURRENTLY.
SO WE'VE, UH, SPELLED OUT THE RETAIL USE, THE WAREHOUSE USE, WHICH INCLUDES, UH, SO WE HAVE THE EXISTING, RIGHT.
THERE ARE NO PROPOSED ADDITIONAL RETAIL USES.
THE EXISTING WAREHOUSE SPACE IS THE ACCESSORY BUILDING AND THE BALANCE OF THE RETAIL SPACE.
AND THEN THESE ARE THE TWO OUTBUILDINGS THAT WERE ADDED.
SO WHEN YOU, YOU SHAKE OUT THE MATH, WE NOW NEED 23 SPACES AS OPPOSED TO THE ORIGINAL 21.
SO OUR VARIANCE HAS GONE UP BY TWO, WE WENT OKAY.
I WOULD, I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER ONE OR TWO MORE SPACES, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE A PLACE, A SAFE PLACE TO PUT THEIR CAR WHEN THEY COME IN.
UH, MON, YOU HAD A QUESTION? YES.
SO IN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, I REMEMBER THERE WAS SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORS FROM UP ABOVE, AND I ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATION WITH THOSE NEIGHBORS BEFORE YOU COME BACK TO US.
UM, THEY HAD ISSUES WITH SITE AND WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE PLAN, AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO SPEAK WITH THEM BEFORE YOU COME BACK TO US SO THAT ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE DOING, THEY ARE AWARE OF IN ADVANCE.
I, I KNOW THAT, UM, LUIGI HAS HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM FAIRLY RECENTLY, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY TALK OKAY.
'CAUSE WE, YOU DON'T WANT ANY SURPRISES? NO, ABSOLUTELY.
ANYONE ELSE? UM, YEAH, WALTER, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THE LAST TIME THEY WERE, UH, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY GOT A VARIANCE FOR OR NOT, BUT THERE WAS A REQUIRED FOR SOME, UH, UH, LANDSCAPING, I THINK FIVE FEET OR 10 FEET.
AND, UH, I THINK THAT WAS, UH, UH, THERE WAS THE LAND, THE LANDSCAPE BUFFERS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY
SO YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE GONNA ASK FOR VARIANCE FOR THAT ONE? YEAH, WE, WE'LL BE ASKING FOR THOSE VARIANCES.
I DON'T KNOW IF I SAY AGAIN, ERIN, OR, YOU KNOW, MANY OF THE VARIANCES THAT WE WOULD NEED WITH THIS PLAN ARE IDENTICAL TO THE ONES THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY GRANTED.
SO I GUESS, ERIN, WE NEED TO HASH OUT ON THE ONES THAT ARE IDENTICAL, WHETHER THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL STILL WORKS OR WHETHER WE NEED NEW, UM, RIGHT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEING REVIEWED WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE.
THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED AS THERE'S A FORMAL APPLICATION.
LIKE FOR INSTANCE, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WITH RESPECT TO LANDSCAPE BUFFERS, IF THEY EXTEND, AND I IMAGINE THEY DO INTO THE DOUBLE ZERO AND 10 LOTS, YOU KNOW, YOU DIDN'T HAVE VARIANCES FOR THOSE LOTS FOR THOSE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS.
SO YOU WOULD NEED TO SEEK VARIANCES FOR THOSE LOTS.
BUT THAT'S ALL, UH, IN DISCUSSION.
SO MR. DESAI, WE APPRECIATE THE COMMENT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, IS BEING REVIEWED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AND, AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE REVIEWED AND DETERMINED AS, UH, THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD INTO A FORMAL APPLICATION.
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COMMENTS ON THE FENCING.UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A, UH, SOMETHING BETTER THAN A CHAIN LINK FENCE ALONG THE, UH, ALONG THE WALKWAY.
SO, YEAH, UH, I COULD, I COULD SPEAK TO THAT IF YOU'D LIKE.
UH, I THINK AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL, UH, ALONG 34, 40 AND 50, THERE WAS A PROPOSED, UH, WROUGHT IRON STYLE FENCE WITH STONE PILLARS.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THAT SAME DETAIL AND CARRY THAT ALONG THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE, UH, AT LEAST UP TO, UH, TO INCLUDE DOUBLE ZERO, UH, AGAIN, FROM BEING FAMILIAR WITH THE LOT, I'M SURE 10, THERE'S A SERIES OF RETAINING WALLS AT THE STREET LEVEL.
UH, SO WE WILL BE INSTALLING A FENCE ABOVE THE WALLS FOR, YOU KNOW, SECURITY AND SAFETY.
UH, THERE IS AN EXISTING CHAIN LINK ROLLING GATE THAT WE'D LIKE TO MAINTAIN.
UH, BUT, BUT CERTAINLY THERE WILL BE A DECORATIVE FENCE, UH, FROM THIS POINT FURTHER NORTH.
AND THEN THE EXISTING STONE RETAINING WALLS WILL, WILL OBVIOUSLY REMAIN.
WELL, IS THERE A FENCE ABOUT THE RETAINING WALL? THERE IS, THERE'S, THE ENTIRE PROPERTY WILL BE FENCED.
UH, THE, THE FENCE ALONG THE TOP OF THE WALL.
WE'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING CHAIN LINK BECAUSE IT IS SET BACK FROM THE ROAD, IT IS ABOVE THE RETAINING WALLS, AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME, UH, PROBABLY SOME LANDSCAPING IN THESE TERRORIST AREAS OF THE RETAINING WALL.
SO THAT'LL SCREEN THAT A LITTLE BIT.
THAT THAT WAS THE THINKING COMING IN.
UH, WELL JUST, JUST TRY TO DRESS UP BECAUSE THIS LOOKS PRETTY, UH, DILAPIDATED AREA, SO ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, PLEASANT FOR PEOPLE TO KIND OF YEAH, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S HIS, I THINK HIS OVERALL INTENT.
THIS IS REALLY ABOUT KIND OF CLEANING UP THE OPERATION, GIVING HIMSELF SOME ROOM TO, TO WORK, UH, BETTER AND, AND REALLY KIND OF SHOWCASING, DISPLAY HIS PRODUCTS AND WHAT HE DOES.
I JUST HAD AARON, TWO COMMENTS.
UM, ONE, UH, MR. CHIMAL, YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE SOME LEVEL OF LANDSCAPING ON THE SITE.
WE KNOW THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SITE IS, IS QUITE A BIT, UH, IMPERVIOUS AND IS GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS APPROVED, A LOT OF OUTDOOR STORAGE MATERIALS.
SO ANY OPPORTUNITIES TO ADD SOME GREEN, UH, ON THE SITE WOULD BE, WOULD BE GREAT.
UM, I, I DO NOT KNOW IF, IF YOU'LL BE IN THE OP, UH, POSITION TO MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF LANDSCAPING ON THE SITE, BUT, UH, WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS, UH, BOTH WITH STAFF AND THEN DOWN THE ROAD WITH THE BOARD ABOUT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO MAYBE EVEN PROVIDE OFFSITE LANDSCAPING, UH, IN THE VICINITY OF THE PROJECT SITE OR A POSSIBLE DONATION INTO THE TOWN TREE FUND FOR FUTURE TREE PLANTINGS.
UM, I ALSO WANTED TO MAKE TWO ADDITIONAL NOTES, AND YOU MAY HAVE TOUCHED ON IT AND IT LOOKS LIKE I CAN SEE IT ON THIS PLAN, BUT, UM, IN THE PRIOR APPLICATION THERE WAS TALK ABOUT, UH, MAKING APPLICATION TO THE D O T FOR A SIDEWALK, AND THE BOARD HAD ENCOURAGED THAT SIDEWALK EXTENDING DOWN TO THE BUS STOP.
UH, I, WE CAN NOW SEE THE BUS STOP ON THE NEW PLAN BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT'S ADJACENT TO NUMBER 10, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT SIDEWALK WOULD BE EXTENDED DOWN.
SO I JUST WANTED, UM, THAT, TO RAISE THAT POINT.
AND THEN LAST, MY LAST POINT, UM, WAS THAT IN THE PRIOR APPLICATION, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
UM, AND THERE WERE EXISTING DRAINS IN PORTIONS OF THE SITE.
I BELIEVE, UH, THE NORTHERLY PORTION THERE MAY BE A, A, A DRAIN ACROSS THE, THE FRONT CURB CUT AND THERE WAS A REQUEST TO LOOK INTO THOSE DRAINS, SEE IF THEY WERE FUNCTIONAL, SEE IF THEY NEEDED TO BE CLEANED OUT, JETTED AND OR REPLACED IF NECESSARY, WE WOULD ASK THAT THE SAME BE DONE AND ANY POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS, IF THERE ARE ANY, UM, BE CONSIDERED AND, AND BE BROUGHT FORTH IN THE, IN THE FORMAL APPLICATION AND BE RE RELAYED TO THE BOARD AND REVIEWED BY OUR BUREAU OF ENGINEERING.
AARON, YOU HAVE CROSSED, LOST THREE MORE POINTS THAT I HAVE.
DO YOU HAVE WALTER ABOUT, ABOUT THE DRAIN, THE SIDEWALK AND, AND ALTERNATE ARRANGEMENTS, UH, UH, FOR LANDSCAPING, UH, IS AVAILABLE IF WE CAN'T WORK OUT SOMETHING ON THE SITE, SO VERY GOOD.
MY, MY REMAINING, UH, QUESTIONS.
IN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL YOU HAD, UH, THOSE, UH, CONCRETE, UM, UH, UH, UH, UH, WALLS THAT YOU USE
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IN BETWEEN THOSE, UH, WALLS YOU USE FOR STORAGE.BUT THEY WERE MADE OUT OF CONCRETE AND THEY, UH, BUTTED THE ROCK.
AND THE QUESTION WAS, AT THAT TIME, IF YOU REMOVE THOSE, UH, CONCRETE, UH, WALLS, WILL THAT DESTABILIZE THE ROCK? BECAUSE THAT'S STRAIGHT ROCK UP THE HEAD.
AND, UH, THEY DID SOME TEST FORMS AND FOUND OUT THAT THAT WAS SOLID ROCK.
NOW THAT YOU EXTENDING TO THE OTHER AREAS AND REMOVING ADDITIONAL, UH, UH, STORAGE BINS THAT, UH, UH, UH, ARE RIGHT ATTACHED TO THE STONE ROCK, TO THE ROCK, YOU NEED TO TAKE SOME TESTING TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S SOLID ROCK IN THOSE AREAS ALSO.
SO, UH, SO THAT NEED, YOU NEED TO CONFIRM THAT.
THE OTHER THING IN THE, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, THERE WAS A ROADWAY THAT WAS USED TO GET TO, I GUESS A, UH, A STORAGE FACILITY.
NOW, UNDER THIS NEW PROPOSAL, WOULD THAT, WILL THAT ROAD BE EXTENDED OR THAT'S, OR THAT I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE THE ROAD YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS, IS THIS AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? YEAH, THAT WAS IT.
SO THAT, THAT WILL ACTUALLY, THAT'LL REMAIN, BUT IT WILL NOT CARRY THROUGH BECAUSE WE'RE PROPOSING THIS STORAGE BUILDING IN THE REAR.
BECAUSE AT THAT TIME THERE, IT WAS A SAFETY ISSUE WITH THE BARRIERS.
THERE WEREN'T, UH, WE FELT, UH, SUFFICIENT BARRIERS FOR THE FORKLIFT TRUCK GOING ABOVE THAT.
THEN YOU HAVE THAT NOW, SO RIGHT.
IF YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO THAT AREA IN TERMS OF THAT WALK, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S NOTHING THAT WE NEED TO, UH, WORRY ABOUT.
UM, UH, AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT, UH, UH, THIS PROPERTY IS ON A STATE ROAD, SO ALL OF THE, THE, THE DIFFERENCES WITH THE CURB CUTS, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, UH, NEW YORK, UM, UH, D L T AGREES WITH THAT.
'CAUSE EVEN THOUGH YOU REDUCING A CURB CUT, THAT MIGHT NOT BE SUFFICIENT BECAUSE WE RAN INTO A, A SITUATION ON ANOTHER PROJECT THAT, UH, THAT THEY WERE REDUCING THE CURB CUTS, BUT THE D O T FELT THAT THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE IT EVEN MORE.
SO YOU NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET THE FEEDBACK FROM THE D O T AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE.
SO THAT DOES NOT DELAY THE PROJECT.
WE'VE ACTUALLY ALREADY, WHEN WE MADE THIS APPLICATION, THE, UH, THAT SAME WEEK WE SUBMITTED THIS PLAN OR, OR SENT IT INFORMALLY TO THE D O T, OUR CONTACTS OF THE D O T TO TRY AND SCHEDULE A, UH, YOU KNOW, A PRELIMINARY MEETING AND CONVERSATION WITH THEM TO JUST FLUSH OUT ANY CONCERNS THEY MIGHT HAVE EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS.
SO WE'RE ABSOLUTELY AWARE OF THAT AND WE'LL, WE'LL CERTAINLY BE DEALING WITH THEM FOR, UH, ANY CURB CUT MODIFICATIONS, THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, WE DON'T PROPOSE ANY UTILITIES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL BE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE D O T TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE SATISFIED.
JOE, I WAS GONNA MENTION THE, THE SIDEWALKS THAT WE PROPOSE NEED TO BE CLEARED BY THE D T O T TOO, AND WE'RE AWARE OF THAT.
SO, UM, WE SHOULD CIRCLE BACK WITH THEM, JOE, AND, AND TRY TO SCHEDULE THAT MEETING.
AND, UH, IF I CAN, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TO, TO GO BACK TO THE, UH, THE BINS, THE QUESTION YOU HAD ABOUT THE SORTING BINS, UM, WE'RE PROPOSING BINS.
THERE'S, THERE'S SOME SORTING BINS HERE NOW WE'RE JUST KIND OF REARRANGING THEM A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN WE'RE PROPOSING SOME ADDITIONAL BINS IN THIS AREA.
THOSE ARE ALL WITHIN EXISTING PAVED AREAS.
UM, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, EXPANDING OR EXCAVATING TO THE HILLSIDE TO, TO INSTALL THESE, UM, FOR INSTANCE, THIS, THIS RETAINING WALL HERE AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY EXISTS, AND THIS IS A PAVED LOT.
WE'RE JUST SIMPLY CREATING STORAGE BINS ON THE PAVED SURFACE.
SO, UH, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY LOOK AT IT AND IF, IF THERE ARE ANY AREAS THAT WE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY IMPACTING EXISTING ROCK SLOPE, WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT.
YEAH, IT'S NOT SO IT IS, IT'S, UM, UM, IT'S LESS OF, OKAY.
IN THIS PARTICULAR, MY QUESTION WASN'T GEARED SO MUCH TO THE SLOPE AS TO THE STABILITY.
IF, IF THESE BINS ARE, UH, ABUTTING, UH, THE ROCK, IF YOU REMOVE THE BINS, DO YOU DESTABILIZE THE ROCK? THAT'S THE ISSUE.
I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THIS WALL IS HERE AND THE BINS DON'T EXIST.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER BINS HERE? THOSE, UH, ARE THEY AGAINST ROCK? THERE'S A SLOPE.
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WE WILL LOOK AT IT.I'LL, I'LL GET THE DETAILS ON THAT.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, THAT'S ALL.
JUST VERIFY THAT THAT WILL THE, ANY WORK DONE IN THAT AREA WILL NOT DESTABILIZE THE ROCK.
WELL THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE QUESTIONS I HAD.
UH, AARON ASKED HALF OF THEM, SO ONLY HAD, I DIDN'T WANT, I DIDN'T WANNA TAKE ALL YOUR THUNDER ON YOUR LAST, UH,
I HAD THEM ALL, BUT I JUST DECLINED TO ASK
ARE THERE ANY OTHER, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? WONDER? WONDER, I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE, SINCE YOU, WHAT IS THE OUTDOOR STORAGE SLASH DISPLAY AREA? ARE THERE GONNA BE SOME SORT OF, UH, UM, KIND OF RACKS, UH, KIND OF, UH, UH, HOW, HOW DO THAT REALLY LOOK WHAT THEY'RE GONNA LOOK LIKE? I THINK FOR THE MOST PART IT WOULD BE PALLETIZED STORAGE OF, YOU KNOW, UH, VARIOUS TYPE OF BRICK PAVERS IN STONE.
UH, I BELIEVE IT'S LIMITED TO SIX FEET IN HEIGHT BY CODE OR, OR, OR PER THE, UH, I THINK IT WAS A VARIANCE GRANTED FOR THAT BEFORE, OR MAYBE THE SCREENING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
BUT IT WOULD, IT WOULD BASICALLY BE, UH, LANDSCAPE MATERIALS ON PALLETS AND OKAY.
I CAN A RANGE THAT THEY COULD BE, THEY COULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, VIEWED AND, AND INSPECTED OR, OR, YOU KNOW, SEEN BY POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS.
AND WHAT KIND OF, IT WOULD BE LIKE KIND OF A, UH, UH, SORRY, JOE, IF YOU, I WANNA JUST, UM, JOE, IF YOU HAVE THE SITE PLAN SET, I THINK YOU HAVE ON PAGE SIX, A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
UM, UM, UP, UP ON THE, ON THE TOP RIGHT? IS THAT, WELL, NO, THE, THESE ARE THE STORAGE, UH, THE OUTDOOR STORAGE BUILDINGS.
IS THAT NOT WHAT YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT? YEAH, NO, I THINK HE MEANT, UM, THIS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PALLET BAY AREAS.
IF I UNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION CORRECTLY, I THINK HE WAS QUESTIONING WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN IN THESE AREAS.
SO, YEAH, SO AS I SAID, THOSE WOULD BE, UH, TYPICAL PALLETS OF MATERIAL, YOU KNOW, STAGED IN ROWS, UM, SO THAT THEY WERE A ACCESSIBLE FOR DISPLAY.
SO IF YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF, OF THOSE THAT YOU CAN SHARE NEXT TIME, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
YEAH, I COULD GET SOME PICTURES OF A TYPICAL, YOU KNOW, WHAT A TYPICAL DISPLAY WOULD LOOK LIKE, EXAMPLES OF SIMILAR THINGS.
THAT'D BE HELPFUL, I THINK TO BE LIKE, THEY'RE COVERED.
UH, YEAH, TO STEP UP FROM THE ROAD, UH, JUST, JUST SOME IDEA HOW DO THIS SEEMS, UH, GOING TO BE DISPLAY AREA IS.
UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER FEEDBACK WE CAN PROVIDE, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT CAN INCORPORATE INTO THE FINAL PLAN? IF THERE IS NO OTHER, UM, IDEAS THAT WE COULD PROVIDE TO THE APPLICANT, UH, THEN, UH, I HOPE THE FEEDBACK WE HAVE GIVEN YOU HAVE BEEN USEFUL IN DEVELOPING YOUR FORMAL PROPOSAL FOR THE EXPANSION OF, UH, OF, OF, UH, THAT SITE.
THIS HAS BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH AARON AND, AND THE TOWN STAFF IN, IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
I HOPE SO THAT WE CAN GET THESE PLANS, UH, BUTTONED UP AND, AND GET BACK BEFORE YOU GUYS.
SO AS ALWAYS, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR DETAILED ATTENTION TO EVERYTHING.
AND, AND HAVE A HAPPY HOLIDAY.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR.
JUST A FEW MINUTES ON, UH, ON THE, THE HOLIDAY PARTY.
YOU KNOW, AS I INDI I SENT OUT THE EMAIL THAT, UH, HOPEFULLY EVERYONE WHO COME WILL BE APPROPRIATELY VACCINATED.
WE ARE IN A, UH, LARGER ROOM, UH, UP ON THE TOP ON THE SECOND FLOOR IF ANYONE HAVE BEEN THERE.
SO I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING EVERYONE ON THE 10TH.
AND SO, UH, AND OUR, UH, PLANNING BOARD, UH, HOLIDAY PARTY, GOOD NIGHT TO ALL.
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WE LEAVE, BEFORE WE LEAVE, EXCUSE ME, BEFORE WE OH, YEAH, YEAH.YOU HAVE, WE'RE STILL BEING BROADCAST YOU BECAUSE
UM, WALTER CAME ON THE BOARD, UH, RIGHT AFTER ME, UM, AND THEN HAD TO REPLACE THE LEGEND ON OUR BOARD.
HE, HE REALLY DID, FRAN HAD LEFT AN INCREDIBLE LEGACY, AND HE TOOK THE BOARD, TOOK, TOOK THE JOB THAT THE TRANSITION WAS INCREDIBLY SMOOTH AND TOOK THE BOARD TO NEW HEIGHTS.
AND I JUST WANNA GIVE HIM A CONGRATULATIONS FOR THE WONDERFUL TIME, AND ALSO THAT HE'S ALSO A GREAT FRIEND AS WELL AS A COLLEAGUE.
SO CAN WE ALL GIVE HIM A, A, AN APPLAUSE, PLEASE.
AND AS I INDICATED, YOU KNOW, I'VE REALLY BEEN A, UH, A PLEASURE BEING THE CHAIR OF THIS BOARD.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ADMIRE MOST IS THAT WE COULD, WE COULD, UH, DEBATE AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW, AND EVERY, ALL OF US HAVE OUR PARTICULAR SLANT OF HOW WE LOOK AT THINGS AND, UH, AND WE COULD GO BACK AND FORTH OVER AN ISSUE, BUT ONCE WE TAKE A VOTE, IT IS OVER, AND WE JUST GO ON TO THE NEXT, UH, WE JUST GO ON TO THE NEXT APPLICATION WITHOUT ANY PERSONAL ANIMOSITY.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, UH, UH, VERY MUCH.
UH, I MEAN, IT MAKES FOR A, A VERY REWARDING BOARD TO WORK WITH.
SO FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND EFFORT AND SUPPORT, I DEEPLY APPRECIATE WALTER, WHO'S GONNA BE THE NEW CHAIR.
WELL, I HOPE THAT THE NEW CHAIR WILL BE OUR VICE CHAIR, BUT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S THE DECISION OF THE TOWN BOARD.
YOU KNOW, SO, UH, THAT'S MY HOPE.
BUT, UH, THE TOWN BOARD MAKES A DECISION AND THEN, THEN I THEN AFTER THAT, THE WAY IT WAS IS THAT, UH, THE CHAIR PROPOSED VICE CHAIR, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, UH, VOTE ON THAT.
UH, THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKED IN THE PAST, AND I WOULD HOPE THAT IT'LL WORK THAT WAY AGAIN.
THAT, UH, THE BOARD ITSELF SELECTS THE VICE CHAIR, UH, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE, THE CHAIR.
SO THE, THE, THE, THE WAY IT WAS, THE CHIP PROPOSED, THE, THE, THE PLANNING BOARD DISPOSE.
AND SO THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS.
BUT WE'LL SEE HOPEFULLY THAT WE'LL GET EVERYTHING IN PLACE, UH, BY OUR JANUARY MEETING.
UH, AND, UH, I HAVE SPOKEN TO, UM, SEVERAL TOWN BOARD MEMBERS, AND THEN THAT'S THE GOAL TO DO THAT.
UH, HOPEFULLY THEY WILL DO THAT AND HAVE A CHAIR IN PLACE BY, UH, THE JANUARY 1ST MEETING BY, BY DECEMBER 31ST, OR ELSE WE WON'T HAVE A CHAIR, WHICH I STRONGLY OPPOSE TO THAT.
AND SO, UH, HOPEFULLY, UH, TOWN BOARD WOULD, UH, FOLLOW MY RECOMMENDATION, BUT THE DECISION IS UP TO THE TOWN BOARD.
WHAT HAPPENS IF, UM, HOEL DOESN'T EXTEND THE JANUARY 15TH ZOOM LAW?
UH, THEY WILL, IF THE LAW IS EXACTLY AS IT STANDS NOW, HAVE TO INDICATE, UM, THEIR, UH, THE PLACE OF, UH, WHERE THEY ARE.
AND UNDER THE STATUS OF THE LAW AS IT STANDS NOW, POSSIBLY HAVE TO INVITE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC FROM WHEREVER THEY'RE BROADCASTING, WHICH SEEMS RATHER SILLY, RIDICULOUS.
UM, WE HAVE MADE A COUPLE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, I HAVE, I HAVE ON A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS, UH, YOU KNOW, MENTIONED THIS TO THE TOWN BOARD.
AGAIN, IF YOU KNOW PEOPLE IN ALBANY, I RECOMMEND THAT YOU CONTACT THEM, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY CONSIDER THE STATUS QUO,
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WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO GO FROM HOME, BUT NOT HAVING TO PUBLICIZE WHERE YOU HAVE OR HAVE, UH, VISITORS.UH, AND I THOUGHT THAT WE DON'T LIKE VISITORS, BUT WE HAVE VISITORS COME AT NIGHT AND SIT IN OUR LIVING ROOM WHILE WE, UH, HAVE OUR MEETING.
GI GIVEN THAT WE'RE NOT THROUGH THE PANDEMIC YET, I WOULD HOPE THAT PEOPLE IN ALBANY WILL JUST EXTEND THE STATUS QUO, THE STATUS QUO.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THIS NEW VARIANT.
HOPEFULLY OUR, IT, IT WON'T BE, IT'S MUCH A DO ABOUT NOTHING, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT.
AND WE, AND WE WON'T KNOW THAT FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
SO I'M HOPING THAT, THAT THIS SMART ENOUGH TO EXTEND IT FOR ANOTHER AT LEAST 90 DAYS.
WELL, I HOPE SO, BUT, UM, BUT THEY LET IT LAPSE ONE TIME, FIRST OF ALL.
AND SECOND, THAT'S NOT REALLY THE POINT.
THE REAL POINT IS IF YOU ARE GOING TO, UM, MOVE TO AN AREA WHERE YOU CAN HAVE, UH, ZOOM FROM, YOU KNOW, ZOOM FROM YOUR HOME, THERE IS NO REASON WHY, UM, THE SEVEN MEMBERS OR SEVEN MEMBERS IN AN ALTERNATE WOULD HAVE TO PUBLICIZE WHERE THEY LIVE OR INVITE PEOPLE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE NOT, THEY HAVE NOT FOCUSED ON, UM, BECAUSE I, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY HAVEN'T FOCUSED ON IT, BUT BECAUSE UNDER THE OLD SYSTEM, THEY REALLY DIDN'T CONTEMPLATE THE ZOOS.
THEY CONTEMPLATED BIG MEETINGS IN, YOU KNOW,