* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. OKAY. [00:00:01] SO [ TOWN OF GREENBURGH OFFICE OF THE TOWN BOARD 177 Hillside Avenue, Greenburgh, NY 10607 Tel: 914-989-1500 Fax: 914-993-1541 Email: JDudek@Greenburghny.com https://ny-greenburgh.civicplus.com/485/Watch-Live-Board-Meetings] LET'S, UH, START THE MEETING. TODAY'S DECEMBER ON, UH, SEVENTH AND, UM, IT'S THE WORK SESSION AND, UH, WE'LL START. UM, ANNIE ALALA, UM, HAS ASKED FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO US. YES. RIGHT HERE IS GOOD. MM-HMM. . OKAY. HI. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. CLOSE TO THAT MIC. THIS ONE HERE. OKAY. RIGHT. MOVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU. YEAH. OTHERWISE. HI. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, HONOR. MY NAME IS ANNIE LASAL AND I AM HERE, UM, REPRESENTING Q B R VENTURES, MY, UH, L L C AND I AM, UH, I WANTED TO DISCUSS THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 55 CUMMINGS AVENUE, WHICH WE RECENTLY PURCHASED. THE PROPERTY, UH, HAS BEEN IN, UH, ARREARS FOR TAXES SINCE 2008. UH, TAXES WERE NEVER PAID BY THE ESTATE, UH, ONCE THE PREVIOUS OWNER PASSED AWAY AROUND 2006. WHERE IS IT LOCATED? 55 C*****G. 55 CUMMINGS AVENUE. WHERE IS THAT? IN THE TOWN? TOWN OF GREENBURG, UH, ZIP CODE 1 0 6 0 3. IT'S IN PARKWAY HOMES. PARKWAY HOMES? MM. IT'S RIGHT UP BETWEEN APPLETON AND MARTON. OKAY. YES, IT'S RIGHT ON THE CORNER. ON THE CORNER OF BARRINGTON. YEAH. MM-HMM. . SO WHAT I HAD WANTED TO ASK OF THE BOARD IS WHAT WOULD YOU REQUIRE TO BE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER TO, UM, ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE TAXES? THE TAX BILL IS APPROXIMATELY 300,000. THE, UM, BETWEEN PENALTIES AND INTEREST, UM, AND AGAIN, NO PAYMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE SINCE 2008. MM-HMM. , THE, THE ATTORNEY THAT WAS HANDLING THE ESTATES HAD FILED WITH THE, UH, SUPREME COURT TO ANSWER PREVIOUS, UH, FORECLOSURE PROCEEDINGS THAT HAD BEEN STARTED BY THE TOWN. I THINK THE LAST TIME SHE FILED WAS MAYBE IN OH EIGHT OR 2010. SHE WAS ULTIMATELY REMOVED BY THE COURT AS EXECUTOR. UM, AND SO I CAME INTO IN CONTACT WITH HER STARTING IN 2017, AND THEN ULTIMATELY JUST CLOSED ON THE PROPERTY THIS PAST JUNE. COULD I ASK WHY YOU WOULD PURCHASE A PROPERTY THAT'S WORTH ABOUT, UM, $500,000 OR SO, KNOWING THAT HAS A $313,000 LIEN ON IT? MM-HMM. , I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY ORIGINALLY TO HAVE IT AS A RESIDENT PRIMARY RESIDENCE FOR MY SISTER. THAT IS NO LONGER THE CASE. SHE'S FOUND SOMETHING ELSE. UM, AND THEN I, PER THEN I CONTINUED WITH THE PURCHASE FROM THE PUBLIC ADMINISTRATOR'S OFFICE WITH THE INTENT OF PERHAPS DOING AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT TO IT OR SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK WITH US TO, UH, REDUCE THE TAX BILL. ALRIGHT. SO THERE'S A, THIS IS A ONE FAMILY ZONE? YES. SO YOU, UH, YOU WOULD WANT TO DO AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING HOUSE, HOUSE, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, AND STARTING OFF WITH A DEBT OF $313,000. WELL, MY HOPE, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. MY HOPE WAS THAT THE TOWN WOULD WANT TO WORK WITH US BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T COLLECTED ANY TAX REVENUE FROM THE PROPERTY SINCE OH EIGHT. ALSO, I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. JUST TO, UM, ALSO THE, THE RECORDS OF THE TOWN SHOW THAT THE, UM, THE DEED WAS TRANSFERRED AT A PRICE OF 350,000. THAT IS NOT ACCURATE. I DID NOT PAY 350,000 FOR IT. I PAID 55,000 FOR IT. SO I NOTICED THAT TODAY, AND I'LL REACH OUT TO THE ASSESSOR AND PROVIDE THE CLOSING DOCUMENTS SO THAT THEY CAN RECTIFY THEIR RECORDS. YOUR HONOR, I JUST SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, I'VE WRITTEN TO, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS DURING THE WHOLE YEAR IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE WAIVE PENALTIES AND, YOU KNOW, WE BASICALLY HAVE HAD A POLICY THAT WE'VE NEVER, YOU KNOW, WAIVED PENALTY, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVEN'T WAIVED PENALTIES IN THE PAST, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT, WHAT COULD BE DONE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TURNED, WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN OWNER AND IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, CREATING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT LEGALLY WE COULD DO. I WAS GONNA SAY, MAY I ASK WHY, WHY YOU DID THAT BEFORE WITHOUT LETTING IT TO GO TO FORECLOSURE AND THEN TRYING TO PURCHASE IT? IT WASN'T, IT, IT WASN'T GOING TO GO INTO FORECLOSURE. [00:05:02] UM, THE PERS THE FORECLOSURE PROCESS FIRST STARTED IN, I WANNA SAY 2006, AND THE ATTORNEY, UH, PROVIDED A VERIFIED ANSWER TO THE COURT MM-HMM. THAT STALLED, STALLED THE PROCESS, AND THEN IT JUST KIND OF STAYED IN LIMBO. UM, SO IT WAS NOT IN ANY FORECLOSURE PROCEEDING. I DIDN'T STOP THE FORECLOSURE. IT WAS LITERALLY JUST MM-HMM. SITTING THERE VACANT AND IN REALLY BAD, UH, CONDITION. I GUESS WE NEED TO CHECK TO SEE WHAT STATUS THE TOWN HAS IT IN. IT'S, IT'S STILL NOT PART OF ANY FORECLOSURE, UH, INDEX NUMBER AT THIS POINT. I THINK, I DON'T KNOW. THINK 2015, TIM, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROPERTY? I'VE SEEN IT ON THE FORECLOSURE LIST. I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINAL RESULT WAS. AND, UH, MR. SAL AND I MET ONCE MM-HMM. , AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I EXPLAINED TO HER, THE ONLY TIME I'VE SEEN THE TOWN, UM, WAIVE INTEREST IN PENALTIES IS IN THE CONTEXT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT NORMALLY WE DON'T. I I'VE NEVER SEEN THE TOWN DO THAT IN ANY OTHER, UH, SITUATION. NO. THERE'S GOTTA BE A PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. MM-HMM. , THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING WHY MM-HMM. , BUT IF THE PROPERTY WOULD GO INTO FORECLOSURE, UM, THEN THE PROPERTY, THEN, IF SOMEBODY BUYS A PROPERTY THAT THE TOWN OWNS AND IS ON FORECLOSURE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE BACK TAXES, RIGHT? RIGHT. THE BACK TAX. WELL, IT DEPENDS. THE PRICE THAT THE ASSESSOR SETS AND THE PRICE THAT THE ASSESSOR SETS FOR THE AUCTION. SHE TRIES TO RECOUP THE OUTSTANDING TAXES IF SHE CAN. OBVIOUSLY, THE VALUE OF PROPERTY IS NOT WORTH THAT. THEN SHE DOESN'T TRY TO GET ALL OF THE TAXES. THE OUTSTANDING TAXES WITHOUT THE INTEREST IS 171 POINT, UH, 171,872. AND YOU MIGHT NOT REALIZE THIS, BUT THIS IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR PROPERTIES. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT COMMON, BUT IT, IT DOES HAPPEN. SO WHAT WE WOULD DO WITH THIS PROPERTY WHERE IT JUST SAYS LEANING ALL THE WAY DOWN THE PAPER MM-HMM. , UM, HOW WOULD WE THEN NOT DO THAT FOR EVERY OTHER ONE THAT WE HAVE? AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I I I'M JUST NOT SURE WHY YOUR L L C, UM, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD BUY A PROPERTY EVEN FOR $55,000 WITH THIS TYPE OF A LIEN ON IT? WELL, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A, UM, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A, A JUST A, A, A BUSINESS DECISION, YOU KNOW, AS AN BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY. UM, I MEAN, THE FACT THAT THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN JUST VACANT SINCE THE PREVIOUS OWNER PASSED AWAY IN 2006, I THINK FAMILY LIVED THERE UNTIL 2008. UM, THERE WAS SQUATTERS IN THERE. UM, THE PROPERTY IS FULL OF DEBRIS. UM, THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL COMPLAINTS FROM NEIGHBORS. SO IT, IT WOULD BE NICE TO TURN IT INTO SOMETHING POSITIVE. I THINK THIS WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS MANY HOMES THAT ARE SITTING THERE EMPTY, UM, FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER. UM, YOU KNOW, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, AND I'VE RESEARCHED, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TWO NORTH, THERE'S 53 NORTH, 87 ETHERTON, UM, 55 CUMMINGS WAS ONE OF THEM, 53 BRADFORD ALL JUST SITTING THERE. MM-HMM. EMPTY. AND SO I THOUGHT THAT THIS COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TURN SOMETHING AND TURN A NEGATIVE INTO A POSITIVE. WELL, YOUR, THE ADDRESSES THAT YOU JUST QUOTED, UH, REPRESENT TWO COMMUNITIES. WELL, TWO NOT COMMUNITIES. IT'S ONE COMMUNITY, TWO NEIGHBORHOODS, THE PARKWAY HOMES YOU MENTIONED. YOU MENTIONED SOME HOUSES IN PARK GARDENS AND SOME IN PARKWAY HOMES. AND, UH, I'M A LIFELONG MEMBER OF PARKWAY HOMES, SO IT'S, I BELIEVE, DO YOU, DO YOU LIVE ON AUGUSTINE? YES. OKAY. YES. SO THERE WAS A HOUSE NEXT TO YOU, 1 61 THAT'S NOT VACANT. NOT ANYMORE. UM, BUT YEARS, A FEW YEARS BACK, THE, UM, THE HOUSE WAS VACANT AND I WAS TALKING TO YVONNE HARRIS. MM-HMM. . SO, UM, WE STARTED TO DO THE RESEARCH BECAUSE THE, UH, THE LADY THAT OWNED THE PROP PROPERTY HAD LEFT THE PROPERTY AND THOUGHT THAT THE BANK HAD TAKEN IT. AND SO WE GOT IN TOUCH WITH HER, OUR L L C GOT IN TOUCH WITH HER, AND WE WERE ABLE TO CONNECT HER TO THE BANK. SHE SIGNED OVER THE DEEDED, AND THEN THE, THE PROPERTY WENT ON THE MARKET. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. . UM, IT WAS SOLD TO A FLIPPER, AND THEN THEY DEVELOPED IT AND NOW, AND, AND SOLD IT. SO, YEAH, I'M [00:10:01] FAMILIAR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MM-HMM. AND OUR L L C HAS DONE RESEARCH ON THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT I MENTIONED, THE OTHER ADDRESSES MM-HMM. , AND EACH ONE SADLY, HAS A STORY 53 NORTH. THE CASE WAS DISMISSED BY THE BANK, THE FORECLOSURE CASE, AND THE ATTORNEY, THE LAW FIRM DIDN'T EVEN KNOW. SO IT'S JUST SITTING THERE EMPTY WITH IT'S IN LIMBO. UM, 55 CUMMINGS WAS ANOTHER PROPERTY LIKE THAT BECAUSE THE ATTORNEY THAT WAS HANDLING THE ESTATE ORIGINALLY TOLD ME THAT THERE WERE NO HEIRS THERE. THAT SHE WAS WITHIN HER THE POWER TO SELL THE PROPERTY. IT WASN'T UNTIL AFTER WE WERE IN CONTRACT AND TITLE REPORTS WERE BEING PULLED THAT IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT THERE WAS AN AIR, THERE WAS A SUN, AND THEN THERE WAS A BIG ISSUE BETWEEN THE SUN AND THE ATTORNEY. SO IT JUST TURNED INTO A WHOLE BIG, YOU KNOW, ISSUE. UM, BUT I, THE REASON THAT I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS LIKE, I FEEL THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS HAD ITS SHARE OF THESE SITUATIONS AND STILL HAS PROPERTIES THAT ARE JUST SITTING THERE IN LIMBO. AND THIS WAS ONE OF THEM THAT COULD BE TURNED INTO A VERY NICE HOME FOR SOMEONE. WELL, I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE WILLING, I JUST WANNA SAY THIS, I'M GLAD YOU'RE WILLING TO CONSIDER THIS AS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROPERTY BECAUSE THE HOUSES IN THAT COMMUNITY HAVE GONE FROM ANYWHERE FROM SEVEN TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO MARKET RATE THREE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN I SAY MARKET RATE, I MEAN, DEPENDING UPON THE, THE CONDITION OF THE HOUSE, BUT I KNOW THAT THE PRICES HAVE RANGED FROM LIKE, YOU KNOW, THREE TO TO SEVEN. THERE ARE SEVERAL REALTORS WHO LIVE IN THAT COMMUNITY MM-HMM. , AND, UM, SEVERAL OF THEM, 60 SEVERAL OF THEM ARE FRIENDS OF MINE. SO I KNOW 66 FULTON IS ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES THAT WAS ALSO VACANT FOR A FEW YEARS, AND I THINK JUST SOLD FOR CLOSE TO 706 AND CHANGE. YEAH. CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? UM, I WANT HAVE BOARD TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS MM-HMM. , AND I'LL BE ABLE TO GET BACK TO YOU AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE DECISION IS, BUT AT LEAST NOW THEY UNDERSTAND MM-HMM. A LITTLE BIT WHY YOU WANT COMPANY, WHAT THE PURPOSE IS ASKING REQUEST. ABSOLUTELY. WELL, LET ME ASK A QUESTION BECAUSE I'M SORT OF LIKE CONFUSED WHAT LEGAL OPTIONS DOES THE TOWN HAVE? BECAUSE IF THIS IS A PRIVATE PROPERTY IN THE PAST, WE'VE TAKEN THE POSITION AS A BOARD THAT WE CAN'T BASICALLY WAIVE PENALTIES. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, TAX GRIEVANCES, YOU KNOW, ONE OPTION, BUT THAT'S GOING FORWARD. IF, UH, WITH COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, WHEN THEY DO TAX GRIEVANCES, THAT GOES BACKWARDS. WOULD THIS BE CONSIDERED A, A COMMERCIAL OR WOULD THIS BE, SINCE IT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA, WOULD THIS BE TREATED, YOU KNOW, IF SHE FILES LIKE A, A GRIEVANCE WOULD BE TREATED AS, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, G RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. BUT I THINK HER ARGUMENT IS THAT SHE WOULD USE IT AS A AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THANK YOU. HER, I THINK MS. AL'S ARGUMENT IS THAT SHE MIGHT BE USING IT AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE NORMALLY HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS WHO SPECIALIZE IN THAT AND WHO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A TRACK RECORD OF THAT. SO MAYBE SHE CAN SUBMIT SOME DOCUMENTATION SHOWING THAT SHE'LL DEFINITELY USE IT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND COURT MAY WANT TO CONSIDER IT OR NOT, BUT IT'LL GIVE HER AN OPPORTUNITY TO SUBMIT THAT DOCUMENTATION. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A, A PROCESS WHERE ANYTHING THAT'S AFFORDABLE HAS TO STAY AFFORDABLE FOR 99 YEARS. MM-HMM. MM-HMM. . SO THERE WOULD BE A D A RESTRICTION ON, YOU KNOW, ON THAT PROPERTY COVENANT OR SOMETHING. YEAH, NO, ABSOLUTELY. AFFORDABLE. HAVE SINGLE FAMILY UNITS IN THAT AREA? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I DON'T THINK SO. I DON'T BELIEVE SO, NO. SO, AND IT'S ALSO, I'M SORRY. IT'S ALSO, UM, IT IS THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, UH, BUT IT IS IN THE VAL HOWA SCHOOL DISTRICT MM-HMM. . SO I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF BETWEEN VAL HOWA SCHOOL DISTRICT AND GREENBURG SCHOOL DIS DISTRICT, THERE ARE DIFFERENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRITERIA. I'M NOT SURE, BUT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS IN THE VAL HOWA SCHOOL. WELL, I WAS CURIOUS AT WHAT KIND OF, UM, WHAT KIND OF PRICE POINT COULD GET FOR THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, EVEN, EVEN IF, IF PENALTIES WERE TO BE FORGIVEN MM-HMM. , YOU HAVE THE HUNDRED 71,000 PLUS THE 55,000 FOR ALMOST HUNDRED 72,000 PLUS THE 55,000 MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF, UM, PROFIT COULD YOU GET? WHAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR A SINGLE UNIT. RIGHT. FINDING A, A, UM, A DEVELOPER WHO OR A BUILDER BE WILLING TO TAKE THAT ON. RIGHT. SO SOME OF THE RESEARCH THAT I'VE DONE, UH, WITHIN THE COUNTY SPEAKING TO WHAT THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY OFFICE, AND ALSO REACHING OUT TO, UM, UH, [00:15:01] HOUSING ACTION COUNCIL WOULD IT, IT WOULD IDEALLY WORK AS SORT OF A, UM, COLLABORATION. YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT GONNA BE A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR PROFIT MAKING DEAL, BUT IF I CAN RECOVER MY COSTS AND MAKE A LITTLE SOMETHING AND THEN HAVE A POSITIVE OUTCOME IN THE LONG TERM, I THINK IT'S A WIN-WIN. MY OWN PERSONAL STORY IS I AM THE CHILD OF IMMIGRANTS THAT CAME TO THIS COUNTRY, AND I GREW UP IN A ONE BEDROOM TENEMENT APARTMENT. SO THE IDEA OF A HOME IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY RINGS TRUE TO ME. I DIDN'T HAVE THAT GROWING UP. I DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY TO MY FRIENDS, COME HO, COME OVER, COME, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT BECAUSE IT WAS, I WAS EMBARRASSED. UM, SO I, I, I APPROACH IT FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, UM, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THERE AND, YOU KNOW, MY PARENTS CAME FROM PERU. I'M STILL VERY FLUENT IN SPANISH AND, AND, YOU KNOW, HELP WITH SPANISH SPEAKING CAUSES. UM, BUT I CAN ALSO REMEMBER BEING THAT CHILD THAT LIVED IN SUBSTANDARD HOUSING, NOW SUBSTANDARD IN TERMS OF WHAT OUR INTERIORS WERE. BUT I GREW UP ON THE UPPER WEST SIDE ON 82ND STREET, SO YOU WOULD NEVER THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS LIKE. BUT WHEN I WAS BORN, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. LIKE, IT WAS IMMIGRANT FAMILIES. IT'S NOT WHAT IT IS TODAY. 82ND. YEAH. . SO, UM, WOULD THE BOARD BE RECEPTIVE TO, UM, UH, EXPLORING AFFORDABLE HOUSING? WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD. I HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS. I THINK WE SHOULD DISCUSS IT, AND THEN WE'LL GET BACK. WE SHOULD GET BACK TO HER, AND I'M GONNA SPEAK TO MS. AL OUTSIDE ABOUT SOME. OKAY. THAT WOULD BE GOOD. MY ONE, ONE QUESTION THOUGH IS DO YOU HAVE, UM, EXPERIENCE DEVELOPING AFFORDABLE HOUSING? I HAVE EXPERIENCE DEVELOPING HOUSING. OKAY. AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I WOULD BE, AGAIN, UM, LOOKING TO PARTNER WITH AN ORGANIZATION, AND I WOULD VOLUNTEER MY TIME MM-HMM. TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. OKAY. I HAVE THE, UM, YOU KNOW, I HAVE THE SOURCES. I HAVE THE, THE, THE TRADES PEOPLE. MM-HMM. , I HAVE THE MATERIAL SOURCES. I, UM, HAVE ACCOUNTS MYSELF FOR VARIOUS BUILDING MATERIALS APPLY. I, I'M A GE APPLIANCE DEALER, SO, OKAY. I, I THINK I BRING A LOT TO THE TABLE FOR AN ORGANIZATION THAT COULD BRING THIS TO FRUITION. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. ARE YOU M W B E, WOULD YOU CONSULT WITH THE I'M NOT YET. NOT YET. YOU IN THE PROCESS OF YES, I AM. AWESOME. WOULD YOU CONSULT WITH THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION ON THIS MATTER? SURE. BECAUSE I MEAN, THE COMMUNITY, UH, IT'S NOT KNOWN FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. MM-HMM. , UM, MY, MY FAMILY HAS HAD A HOUSE THERE FOR 70 YEARS AND NEVER HEARD OF ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. MM-HMM. IN THAT COMMUNITY. UM, YOU KNOW, YOUR COMMUNITY IS A VERY INTERESTING COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY OF IT THAT I KNOW THAT I FOUND VERY, YOU KNOW, INTRIGUING MM-HMM. , UM, I GOT VERY FRIENDLY WITH YVONNE HARRIS MM-HMM. THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, AND SPOKE TO HER ABOUT HER OWN AUNT'S HOME THAT WAS THERE. AND SO, UM, YEAH, I WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, INTERESTED IN LEARNING AND SHARING ANYTHING THAT I KNOW OR BEING A SOURCE FOR. SEE, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE RESIDENTS WOULD TAKE TO AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNIT, BECAUSE ONCE ONE COMES IN, THEN THAT OPENS THE DOOR FOR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. MM-HMM. AND, UH, I JUST DON'T KNOW, STINKS, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A COUPLE POCKETS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. A, UM, HOME WOULD, UH, HOMEOWNER DEVELOP THIS PLAN. THEY BUILT AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, HAD TWO, THREE APARTMENTS, I THINK, OR FOUR APARTMENTS ACTUALLY. UM, RIGHT. IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT WAS, AND YOU KNOW, SO FAR I THINK IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S WORTH SPEAKING. WELL, HASTINGS A ZONE FOR MULTI, UM, UH, UH, DWELLING. I'M NOT SURE THE ZONING IN THAT SPOT WAS, OR WHETHER THEY HAD TO HAVE VARIANCE, BUT YOU'D HAVE, I WASN'T INVOLVED. I DON'T THINK SHE'S TALKING ABOUT MAKING IT A MULTIFAMILY DWELLING. JUST, I I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO. I MEAN, THAT ZONE, SINGLE FAMILY, IT'S ALL SINGLE. YEAH. I MEAN, THE BEST, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD POSSIBLY HOPE FOR WOULD BE AN ATTACHED TOWNHOUSE SITUATION, BUT NOT IN THAT ZONE. THE TOWN, NO, IT'S [00:20:01] A SMALL HOUSE TOO. MM-HMM. , IT'S A SMALL HOUSE THAT NEEDS A LOT OF WORK. IT MORE THAN A LOT OF WORK, . RIGHT. IT'S NOT QUITE, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. IT'S PRETTY CLOSE. WHAT SADLY, UM, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY MUST HAVE BEEN, UH, HAVING, UH, DOG FIGHTS IN THE BASEMENT. UH, AT SOME POINT THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, DOG CAGES ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND THE HOUSE STILL NEEDS TO BE CLEANED OUT. UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, IT'S, YOU KNOW, TURNING A NEGATIVE INTO A POSITIVE. AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT, UH, WELL, JU JUDITH'S, UH, POINT, YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT WANT TO REACH OUT TO THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION BECAUSE IF THEY WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE WANT TO TURN AN ABANDONED HOUSE INTO, UM, AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. UM, WE MIGHT WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE, WE'VE WORKED WITH SHORE SHELTERING, THE HOMELESS TOWER RESPONSIBILITY IN WHITE PLAINS. WE'VE, WE'VE, UM, WE'VE CREATED SOME OF, IN ARDSLEY, THEY'VE, THEY'VE DONE A FEW OF THESE, UM, BUT I THINK MOST OF IT WAS FORECLOSED PROPERTIES OF THE TOWN OWNED. RIGHT. WE, WE'VE NEVER HAD A SITUATION, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE THIS BEFORE. UM, AND THEN MAYBE IF YOU COULD CALL THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COUNCIL OF, YOU KNOW, WESTCHESTER MM-HMM. , UM, AND SEE IF COMMUNITIES DID SOMETHING UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, BECAUSE THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN, UM, THEN FORECLOSED PROPERTY BECAUSE, SO LEONARD LEONARD, LEONARD FELD AT WESTCHESTER COUNTY, UM, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT, AND HE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT THE COUNTY RUNS WHERE THERE'S FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. UM, SO I KIND OF, I PRELIMINARILY, YOU KNOW, DID SOME OF THAT RESEARCH, BUT REALLY, UNTIL I KNOW WHERE THE TOWN STANDS, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHICH DIRECTION TO GO. AND ALSO AT WHAT A M I, YOU KNOW, SO THAT ALSO DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE IN WESTCHESTER MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. HAS VERY DIFFERENT THAN OTHER PLACES IN AFFORDABLE, DEPENDING ON 30, 40, 60%, THREE. MM-HMM. MIGHT BE WORKFORCE. DID YOU KNOW ALTHEA JOHNSON? NO, I DID NOT. OKAY. I CAME ACROSS THE PROPERTY JUST FROM BEING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. WELL, WE, WE HEAR THAT THE HOUSES CAN GO FOR AS MUCH AS $700,000. YES. SO EVEN WITH $313,000 IN BACK TAXES, IF YOU PAID $55,000 FOR IT, WHATEVER FIX UP YOU HAVE TO DO, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE, MY INITIAL REACTION WAS WHY DID YOU BUY ONE THAT YOU'D NEVER GET A RETURN BACK ON? MM-HMM. . UH, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY MINDFUL AND, AND YOU'RE AN L L C, RIGHT? MM-HMM. , WHO ARE THE MEMBERS OF THAT L L C, MYSELF AND MY DAUGHTER. OKAY. BECAUSE WHENEVER YOU HAVE AN L L C, SINCE IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE, UNLESS IT'S DISCLOSED, UH, AND THEN WE DO THIS, WHICH WE'VE NEVER DONE BEFORE. OBVIOUSLY IT'S YOU BOUGHT IT BECAUSE SOMEBODY TOLD YOU YOU WERE GONNA GET A BREAK. MM-HMM. , THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, UH, BE WHEN YOU SAY NO, I'M SORRY, WHEN YOU SAY, SOMEBODY TOLD ME I WAS GONNA GET A BREAK. NO, NO, NO, NO. THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THE PERCEPTION'S GOING TO BE, IS WE'RE DOING THIS THE FIRST TIME FOR YOU. YOU'RE AN L L C MM-HMM. , NOBODY REALLY KNOWS THE MEMBERSHIP. MM-HMM. , SOMEBODY KNOWS SOMEBODY RELATED TO SOME OF ONE OF US, AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS. UH, SO WE GOTTA BE MINDFUL OF THAT BECAUSE MM-HMM. , IT'S NOT THE TOWN BOARD MAGICALLY SAYING, WE'RE GONNA WAIVE THE PENALTIES. WE'VE PAID THESE TAXES TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, TO THE COUNTY. WE'VE PAID ALL THOSE OUT. WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT MONEY BACK. MM-HMM. , THAT'S MONEY. THAT'S THAT TAXPAYERS HAVE GIVEN MM-HMM. . SO THERE'S GOTTA BE A REALLY GOOD REASON WHY WE WOULD TAKE A SHEET THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS. MM-HMM. LEAN LIEN, LEAN, LEAN LIEN. AND THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THEM, MANY MATTER OF FACT, MORE THAN WE'D LIKE, LIKE THIS, AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA FORGIVE IT. YOU KNOW, YOU DIDN'T PAY YOUR TAXES, WE PAID THEM FOR YOU. 'CAUSE THE TOWN HAS TO GUARANTEE THE TAXES FOR THE COUNTY AND THE SCHOOL, AS YOU KNOW, AND FIRE DISTRICTS AND MM-HMM. . NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. YEAH. AND SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, TO ME, IT'S A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT HURDLE, UH, PARTICULARLY IF THERE'S A WAY THAT YOU CAN GET A REASONABLE RETURN ON YOUR INVESTMENT MM-HMM. , WHICH IT MAY BE THAT YOU CAN, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION WHETHER YOU DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR NOT. LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. WOULD IT, SINCE THIS IS OF A UNIQUE, YOU KNOW, SITUATION, WHICH WE HAVEN'T HAD, UM, AND THERE MAY BE OTHER PROPERTIES, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, CRAFT A LETTER TO THE ETHICS BOARD, BASICALLY ASKING THEM TO HELP US SET UP, WHY DON'T WE GET MORE INFORMATION? NO, LET ME JUST ASK TO SET UP LIKE A CRITERIA. UM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU BOUGHT PROPERTY THAT'S, SAY, IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S WORTH, SAY, $700,000, YOU PAID 50, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND. [00:25:01] IF YOU, IF, YOU KNOW, THE ETHICS BOARD MAY SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, UH, IF THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE MAKING $300,000 FROM THIS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT GREAT. ON THE OTHER HAND, IF BASICALLY YOU'RE JUST RECOUPING YOUR, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU PAID, MAYBE MAKING A VERY SMALL AMOUNT MM-HMM. , AND, YOU KNOW, THEY HELP US SET UP SORT OF LIKE THE STA YOU KNOW, THE STANDARDS. MAYBE, MAYBE THEN WE COULD MAKE A BETTER ARGUMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, THAT THERE'S REALLY A PUBLIC INTEREST, AND THIS IS NOT, YOU KNOW, FRANCIS WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, NOBODY'S REALLY MAKING A KILLING OFF OF THIS, THAT WE'RE ALL DOING IT FOR THE PUBLIC, BUT, SO I'M JUST THROWING OUT SOMETHING MM-HMM. WHERE THAT'S PART OF THE BIGGER DISCUSSION. I THINK THAT EXACTLY, BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT. BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC MIGHT WANT BECAUSE MY FAILING IS THAT NO, IT'S NOT IN THE INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE AN ABANDONED HOUSE. RIGHT. IT'S NOT IN THE INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE AN EYESORE. IT'S NOT IN THE INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY FOR, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY BASICALLY TO BE MAKING A PROFIT BECAUSE THEY, IT WAS AN INVESTMENT, YOU KNOW, PURPOSE. AT THE SAME TIME, WE ALL FEEL THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND MAYBE WE, MAYBE WE, THERE'S A WAY WE COULD MAKE THIS A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY. WELL, ABSOLUTELY. AND EVEN IN DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, OUTSIDE OF THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IS PROFITABLE. IT MAY NOT MEET THE SAME PROFIT MARGINS THAT A NON AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT WILL WILL, YOU KNOW, GARNISH YOU, BUT ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IS PROFITABLE. YOU JUST HAVE TO ACCEPT THE GUY. YOU KNOW, THAT MAYBE YOU'RE NOT GONNA MAKE A HUNDRED AND MAYBE YOU MAKE 35. AND ALSO, SO, BUT THERE IS, THERE IS PROFIT IN ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT AS, AS JUDITH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TO ALLEVIATE YOUR CONCERNS, AFFORDABLE WORK, AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOESN'T MEAN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GONNA BE GIVEN TO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO ARE NOW WORKING RIGHT NOW, LIKE ELMWOOD, IF WE DEVELOP EL ELMWOOD, WHEN IT'S DEVELOPED, THERE'S GONNA BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO THERE'S GONNA BE HOMES THAT ARE SELLING FOR A MILLION DOLLARS. AND THERE'S ALSO GONNA BE HOMES THAT ARE GONNA BE SELLING FOR AN AFFORDABLE, YOU KNOW, RATE AND RYE. BASICALLY WHAT I WAS SAYING IS FAR YEAH. THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS ALL OVER, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, PITE HAS TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I JUST THINK THAT THERE IS AN EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT TO THIS MM-HMM. TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN PEOPLE HEAR THE TERM AFFORDABLE HOUSING MM-HMM. , THEY, THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS. AND THAT'S WHY I SUGGESTED SURE. CONTACTING THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT MM-HMM. , WHO HAS BEEN THE PRESIDENT THERE FOR A LONG TIME, ALICIA FORD. AND, UM, UH, JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, SHE, SHE UNDERSTANDS AND IS ABLE TO ARTICULATE TO THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHAT THAT MEANS, WHAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING MEANS, AND WHAT IT DOESN'T MEAN. I MEAN, SEPARATE FROM AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PIECE, JUST VERY QUICKLY, THERE ARE OTHER, YOU KNOW, ORGANIZATIONS. IT COULD BE A VETERANS BASED NOT-FOR-PROFIT. THERE ARE ORGANIZATIONS LIKE, UM, LIKE TUNNEL TO TOWERS WHERE THEY BUILD MODIFIED HOMES FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE DISABILITIES AS A RESULT OF, YOU KNOW, UH, AN INJURY IN COMBAT. SO WHILE IT'S AFFORDABLE TO SOMEONE THAT MEETS THAT CRITERIA, IT'S NOT LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, LIKE WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT THAT CAN COME WITH. UM, SO MY HOPE FOR TONIGHT WAS TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE COMPOSITION OF YOUR BOARD, WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS WERE, WERE WHAT, IF ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, COULD BE DONE TO WORK TOGETHER. OKAY, GOOD. UM, AND SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT, UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE AS AN L L C, WE WOULD, I LIKE TO MAKE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SUGGESTIONS. MM-HMM. , A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS. UM, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE MORE SPECIFIC ASK IN TERMS OF, UM, TAX RELIEF AND, UH, BAD TAX RELIEF, AND ALSO, UM, AT WHAT LEVEL OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, MAYBE IT IS HAVING CONVERSATIONS FIRST TO BE MORE INFORMED AND UNDERSTANDING. RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN DICTATE WHAT THE AFFORDABILITY IS. I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S GONNA BE DICTATED BY THE COUNTY. BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT DEPENDING ON THE PROGRAMS THAT WE MAY QUALIFY FOR, IF WE WERE TO DO THE DEVELOPMENT OURSELVES MM-HMM. , THE COUNTY WILL DICTATE WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE. WE CAN'T SAY IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, 70% OF THE [00:30:01] POVERTY LEVEL. THE COUNTY WILL TELL YOU WHERE YOU HAVE TO BE IN TERMS OF AFFORDABILITY, PRICE POINT, AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. MM-HMM. , IF IN A DIFFERENT, IS THAT INFORMATION THOUGH, THAT YOU COULD SUSS OUT AHEAD OF TIME OR GET IT ASSESSED? OH, SURE, SURE, SURE. YES, I CAN, I CAN DO THAT. AND THE OTHER DIRECTION WOULD BE IF AN ORGANIZATION LIKE HOUSING ACTION COUNCIL WOULD BE ABLE TO SPEARHEAD SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BEING THAT THEY HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE DOING THIS, I WOULD VOLUNTEER MY TIME, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, AND I'D BE A SOURCE, BUT THEY'RE GONNA COME IN WITH DIFFERENT SOURCES OF FUNDING, THEN THAT MAY NOT BE SO COUNTY, YOU KNOW, RELIANCE ON. SO I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT STILL HAVE TO BE OKAY. WELL FINE. MORE INFORMATION YOU CAN FIND OUT TO BRING US. SURE. IS THAT SOMETHING MORE? SURE. CONCRETE. OKAY. PERFECT. GOOD. OKAY. OKAY. WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO DO, THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IS THIS FOR ME? THIS? NO, YOU CAN TAKE IT THOUGH. IT'S THE, IT'S THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT. THAT'S THE TOWN ATTORNEYS. OH, OKAY. NO, NO, THEN THAT'S PERFECT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WE HAVE THANK YOU FOR COMING. THANKS. THANK YOU. WE, WE HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, LAWYER, ADVISORY BOARD, UH, LEGAL ADVICE, UM, AND, UM, WHY DON'T WE DO, AND THEN THERE'S A RESIDENT WHO HAS A QUESTION, CONCERN, CONCERNS, AND WANTS TO SPEAK TO US. OKAY. OKAY. IS THAT AN EXECUTIVE SESSION OR A PUBLIC? UM, WELL, YOU MIGHT PREFER EXECUTIVE. OKAY. WHATEVER YOU PREFER. WHAT IS IT? IS THAT MS? IT'S EXECUTIVE. IT'S EXECUTIVE SESSION. OKAY. OKAY. SO FOR THOSE REASONS YOU'D LIKE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION? YES. OKAY. AND WE WILL BE COMING BACK, UM, AFTER THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, CORRECT? WAIT, YES. APPROXIMATELY, UH, 5 45 OR SO. YOU'RE NOT GONNA SAY THE DAY. IT COULD BE 5 45 TOMORROW. I DON'T THINK SO. SO YOU GET A SECOND. ONCE DAY. YOU SECOND. COMFORTABLE. UH, PAUL, COULD YOU MAKE A MOTION, YOUR HONOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO GO ON EXECUTIVE SESSION SESSION, BOTH THESE ITEMS, AND THEN WE'RE GOING BACK OUT NOW. I'LL TAKE, WE'RE GONNA GO TO THOSE FIRST, THOSE TWO, AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK AND DO THE PUBLIC STUFF. WHERE WE GOING? A JACKSON COPY TO GO. OKAY. SO WE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND. SO YOU ALL FAVOR? AYE. NO ONE HAS SECONDED IT. SECONDED IT. ALL RIGHT. I, SOMEONE SECOND IT. SECOND. OKAY. AND SO, AND, AND WE'RE GOING INTO DISCUSS THE, UH, THE WATER ADVISORY BOARD, UH, RIGHT POINT. LEGAL, LEGAL ADVICE. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO MEETING WITH SOMEONE TO, FOR, UM, WE HAVE INTERVIEWS ABOUT A PARTICULAR PERSON. YEAH. WE HAVE INTERVIEWS FOR, UM, ADVISORY BOARD INTERVIEWS. YES. YOU NEED A MICROPHONE CLOSER TO YOU. I, I'VE BEEN WITH U S I FOR ABOUT 30, 40 YEARS. YOU MAY NEED, YOU HAVE TO REALLY FOCUS INTO THE MICROPHONE, AND WHEN I WAS TELLING YOU YOU NEED A MICROPHONE CLOSER TO YOURSELF, MY, MY MIC WAS OFF . RIGHT. I'VE BEEN WITH U S I FOR 34 YEARS AND, UH, BEEN WORKING WITH THE TOWN, UM, SINCE 2011. UM, AND OUR JOB IS TO, UM, EACH YEAR GO OUT TO THE MARKET INSURANCE MARKETPLACE, FIND THE BEST COMBINATION OF COVERAGE AND PREMIUM THAT'S AVAILABLE, UM, AS WELL AS ASSIST THEM DURING THE YEAR WITH SPECIFIC PROJECTS. UM, THIS YEAR WE'VE BEEN WORKING, UH, ON THE, UH, HANDBOOK OF EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK. UM, WE ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ASSIST, UM, UH, THE TOWN ATTORNEY AND, AND HIS STAFF ON CERTAIN CLAIMS AND, AND STRATEGIES FOR HANDLING CLAIMS TO TRY TO GET, UH, A BETTER PAYOUT FROM THE INSURANCE COMPANY. SO, UM, ALL THAT SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE APPRECIATE, UH, YOUR BUSINESS AND WE APPRECIATE THAT, DOING OUR WORK FOR YOU, MR. . SORRY. THANK YOU, JOHN. GIVE A FEW MINUTES, WE'LL BE RIGHT THERE. YEP. BUT IT DOES GIVE YOU A FEW MINUTES TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH THE, UH, THE PREMIUMS HAVE GONE DOWN. SO IT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. , YOU CAN SIT, YOU CAN STAY HERE. MAY NOT BE AS RIVETING AS YOUR PRESENTATION [00:35:01] IS GOING TODAY. , NO PRESSURE. HAPPY, NO . GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. GOOD, GOOD EVENING. AND WE, SO HAPPY TO SEE YOU ALL IN PERSON. UM, AS YOU ARE AWARE OF THE CHALLENGES COURT HAD IN THE PAST AND THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THIS COURT MADE FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS, UH, WITHOUT THE JUDGE'S SUPPORT AND THE WILLINGNESS TO WORK AT ANY TIME OF THE DAY, THE COURT WILL NOT BE WHERE WE ARE NOW. THE COURT HAS TO OPEN DECISIONS, A COURT WORK, AND AN ASSISTANT COURT WORKER AT THE PRESENT. WE ARE MANAGING WELL WITHOUT THE NEEDS TO FILL THESE POSITIONS. I MAY NEED TO FILL ONE POSITION IN THE FUTURE WHEN THE COURT IS BACKING, UH, FULL TIME IN PERSON. ON THE OTHER HAND, JUDGE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY, KEEPING UP WITH THE DEMANDS OF THE RECENT BAIL REFORM ACT AND THE NUMEROUS CHANGES IN THE LANGUAGE AND LAWS AND MORE CHANGES ARE COMING IN MID JANUARY. THIS IS NOT A PART-TIME WORK ANYMORE. THIS FULL-TIME, THIS IS A FULL-TIME WORKLOAD. THEY ARE DOING A LOT MORE RESEARCH THAN THEY DID IN THE PAST. BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES IN THE LAW TO ADJUDICATE THE CASE LISTED LAW REQUIRES JUDGES ARE STILL CONDUCTING VIRTUAL AND IN-PERSON COURT PROCEEDINGS TO, UH, ACCOMMODATE THE CURRENT SITUATION SO THAT THE CASES CAN BE ADJUDICATED PROMPTLY. THE TRAFFIC TICKETS THAT ARE CONFERENCE BY THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE VIRTUALLY VIA EMAIL AND MAIL, ARE ALSO REVIEWED BY THE JUDGES AND SETTING THE FINES AFTER HOURS COURT IS PACKED UP WITH THE RETAIL TRIALS DUE TO PANDEMIC. COURT NEEDS TO START SCHEDULING THE, UH, SCHEDULING THOSE CASES. AND JUDGES NEED TO FIND ADDITIONAL TIME TO CONDUCT THE RETAIL TRIALS DURING THE JURY. TRIAL COURT HAS NO SPACE TO HANDLE ADDITIONAL MATTERS SO THAT WE NEED TO FIND TIME TO HANDLE THE PRESSING MATTERS AFTER HOURS. JUDGES ARE SIGNIFICANTLY UNDERPAID AND THEIR WORK ORDER HAS SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED IN THE RECENT YEARS TO MEET THESE NEW DEMANDS. I HAVE GIVEN COMPARISONS IN THE PAST FOR THE JUDGE'S SALARY FOR THE SAME OR SIMILAR SIZE COURT. MY HUMBLE REQUEST TO THE TOWN BOARD FOR THE SALARY INCREASE FOR THE JUDGES IN THE AMOUNT OF $15,000. AGAIN, IT IS MY REQUEST THAT THE COURT'S PRESENT BUDGET BE ADJUSTED SO THAT THE FUNDS THAT ARE NOT BEING USED FOR THE VACANT ASSISTANT COURT COURT POSITION BE USED TO PROVIDE AN INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF $15,000 SALARY FOR EACH JUDGES. IF YOU NEED ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION, PLEASE ASK. OR IF YOU DO NEED TO SPEAK WITH THE NEW JUDGES, I WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT AS WELL. WHAT WOULD THAT INCREASE? BOOST THEIR SALARIES TO SAY IT AGAIN. WHAT WOULD THE INCREASED BOOST TO THE JUDGE'S SALARIES TOO? I THINK THEY'RE PROBABLY MAKING 72 SOMEWHERE. OKAY. AND IT WOULD BE ADDITIONAL 15,000 PER JUDGE FOR EACH? YES. AND I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANY MONEY FROM, UH, FROM THE TOWN. I'M ASKING TO ADJUST IT WITHIN MY BUDGET. OKAY. THE COURT CLERK POSITION AND THE ASSISTANT COURT CLERK POSITION THAT YOU'RE SAYING YOU COULD DO WITHOUT, WHAT ARE THOSE SALARIES? UM, COURT, UH, ASSISTANT COURT CLERK IS 50,000 AND COURT CLERK IS 72. BUT YOU'RE NOT SAYING YOU CAN DO WITHOUT THE COURT CLERK. YOU WANT TO FILL THE COURT CLERK POSITION? I DO WANNA FILL THE COURT CLERK IN THE NEAR FUTURE WHEN WE ARE ALL BACK IN PERSON. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. , WE ARE NOT, WE ARE STILL, UH, PART-TIME, YOU KNOW, PART-TIME VIRTUAL PART-TIME, UM, IN PERSON. SO WE ARE DOING IT WITHOUT THOSE, I HAVEN'T FILLED THIS SINCE IT'S VACANT 'CAUSE I AM MANAGING WITHOUT. SO YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY SAYING THAT, UM, YOU'LL FOREGO THE $50,000 FOR THE ASSISTANT COURT CLERK TO GIVE $45,000 TOTAL TO THE THREE? THAT'S CORRECT. THE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, CONCERN I HAVE, AND I'M REPEATING ROOM HAS BEEN SAYING IS ONCE WE DO IT FOR ONE, UH, THERE'S HAD A HUNDRED PEOPLE OR MORE IN THE TOWN WHO ALSO ASKED FOR INCREASES. UM, YOU KNOW, JUDITH BEVILLE AND THE TOWN CLERK AND HER DEPUTY HAVE ASKED FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, INCREASES. AND WE BASICALLY HAVE SAID WE'RE NOT GONNA INCREASE ANYBODY'S BECAUSE IT CREATES A, AM I QUOTING YOU CORRECTLY? IT CREATE, IT CREATES SORT OF LIKE A, IT'S A BIG RIPPLE EFFECT. A RIPPLE EFFECT. UH, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER ISSUE THAT I HAVE, YOU KNOW, WITH ELECTED, YOU KNOW, OFFICIALS IS I FEEL THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO ADJUST THE SALARIES OF ELECTED OFFICIALS, WE SHOULD DO IT BEFORE AN ELECTION FOR THE POST. SO IF WE WANNA SAY, UM, IF WE DECIDE THAT THE SALARIES OF AN ELECTED OF OFFICIAL ARE, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, TOO LOW, LIKE SAY JUDGE SHIPS, WE SHOULD SAY BEFORE THE NEXT, UM, JUDICIAL, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, CAMPAIGN. THIS IS THE NEW SALARY OF, UM, [00:40:01] OF, OF JUDGES THE TOWN BOARD. WE FEEL THAT MAYBE THEY'RE UNDERPAID. THIS IS WHAT SHOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE SALARY. AND THEN ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO RUN FOR THE OFFICE, UM, WOULD KNOW WHAT THE, THE SALARY, YOU KNOW, THE SALARY IS. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THAT WE INCREASE IT? EVERY YEAR. EVERY EVERY YEAR. THEY LET HER FINISH YOUR QUESTION. THEY'RE GETTING A 2% INCREASE THIS YEAR. 2% EVERY YEAR. OKAY. OKAY. I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. UM, BUT THE, IN THIS INSTANCE, THERE'S AN OFFSET. SO I, YOU KNOW, THAT WHEREAS THE HUNDRED OTHER PEOPLE AREN'T SAYING WE'LL DO WITHOUT A POSITION SO THAT WE CAN RAISE THE JUDGES. I KNOW THAT'S TRUE FOR THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET IS A DIFFERENT STORY. BUT, UM, I THINK THAT THERE, THAT IS SOMETHING TO BE FACTORED INTO CONSIDERATION. I'M, I'M NOT ASKING TO TELL HIM TO PROVIDE ANY MM-HMM. , I'M SORRY. I'M NOT ASKING THE TOWN TO PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL MONEY. THIS IS ALREADY BUDGETED IN MY, UM, IN THE COURT BUDGET. I'M JUST ASKING TO REDISTRIBUTE IT SO THAT IT WON'T, IT'LL BE, IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE TOWN. IT'S JUST MY, THE COURT BUDGET WILL BE EFFECTIVE. WHICH I AM TELLING YOU THAT I WILL BE ABLE TO MANAGE, I'LL BE ABLE TO MANAGE WITH THAT. THE, THE BIG PROBLEM IS THAT THERE'S MANY, MANY EMPLOYEES IN THE TOWN WHO HAVE ASKED FOR SALARY INCREASES. AND WE BASICALLY OVER THE COST OF LIVING, AND WE'VE SAID TO EVERYBODY SO FAR THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE, YOU KNOW, ADJUST ADJUSTMENTS. THAT'S BEEN THE POLICY OF THE TOWN. IF WE'RE DO IT FOR ONE, THEN WE HAVE TO OPEN IT UP FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. I THINK I DISAGREE, I THINK NO DISAGREE. I DISAGREE. I UNDERSTAND. YOU SAID IT BEFORE AND I DISAGREE. I THINK THAT EACH EMPLOYEE IS DIFFERENT. I THINK THAT EACH DEPARTMENT IS DIFFERENT, AND I THINK WE HAVE TO GROW A BACKBONE AND BE ABLE TO TELL PEOPLE, NO, I'M SORRY THAT SO-AND-SO IS GETTING IT, BUT YOU'RE NOT GETTING IT. AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, THEN EH, MAYBE YOU SHOULD THINK OF LOOKING SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR A JOB. YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT THIS WHOLE IDEA THAT WE CAN TREAT EVERYONE THE SAME ACROSS THE TOWN, PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF EDUCATION, DIFFERENT WORK RECORDS, THEY'RE BRINGING IN DIFFERENT AMOUNTS OF MONEY THAT THEY'RE, THAT, THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE ALL THE SAME AND THAT THEY COULD JUST BE WRITTEN OFF BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE, WE DON'T WANNA CREATE A RIPPLE EFFECT. I MEAN, THE RIPPLE EFFECT IS UP TO US. WE CAN STOP THE RIPPLE EFFECT BY PUTTING UP A WALL. AND, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EXTRA DUTIES. SO ARE ALL THOSE HUNDRED PEOPLE, DID THEY TAKE ON ALL THIS EXTRA WORK BASED ON LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED DOWN BY THE STATE? AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW. DO, IS THERE A TENANT, UH, LAB LIEUTENANT LIEUTENANT? AND THAT'S GONNA BE HUGE. THAT ALREADY IS HUGE. THERE'S A TREMENDOUS BACKLOG ON LANDLORD TENANT CASES. AND WITH ERA A IS SOMETIMES SOMEWHAT SUCCESSFUL, BUT NOT NECESSARILY, UM, DEPENDING ON PARTICULAR SITUATIONS. SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THEIR HANDS FULL WITH THAT BACKLOG. I MEAN, BECAUSE OF THE BAIL, UH, REFORM ACT IN, UH, SHALLES POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD THAT YOU ACCOMMODATED TO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT ASKING THE TOWN BOARD TO ACCOMMODATE EVERY SINGLE PEOPLE IN MY DEPARTMENT. I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT BECAUSE OF THE, UM, EXTRA TIME AND EFFORT AND THE RESEARCH THAT THE JUDGES ARE PUTTING FORTH, UH, TO MAKE IT WORK, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. I, I, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT TELLING EVERYONE TO GET THE RAISE IN MY DEPARTMENT. I'M JUST TELLING THAT, UH, THE JUDGES SHOULD BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING DURING THE PANDEMIC, CURRENTLY, WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND ALSO WHAT WE NEED TO FACE ONCE THE OFFICE IS OPEN. BUT, YOU KNOW, MY FEELING IS THAT PEOPLE ARE, WHEN THEY RUN FOR THE JOBS, THEY KNOW WHAT THE SALARY IS GONNA BE. NOBODY'S BEGGING ANYBODY TO, UH, RUN FOR A PUBLIC OFFICE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THEY BASICALLY DON'T WANT IT, THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO RUN. WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AT LEAST FOUR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE THE TOWN JUDGE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHO WANT TO REPLACE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, JUDGE LESTE, YOU KNOW, SO, SO THE THING IS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I FEEL THAT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA MAKE, YOU KNOW, SET A, YOU KNOW, SET A, A RIPPLE EFFECT THAT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA MAKE IT VERY, VERY HARD. YOU KNOW, WHEN I SPOKE TO IT MAKE, BUT IT MAKES IT VERY, IT MAKES IT TOUGH BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE KIND. BUT THAT, THAT'S ABOUT, THAT'S MANAGEMENT. SO LET, LET'S ALL BE CLEAR. THAT IS MANAGEMENT, RIGHT? THERE ARE TOUGH DECISIONS THAT ALWAYS HAVE TO BE MADE BY MANAGERS. YEAH, BUT I'M MAKING CORRECT. CORRECT. MY RECOMMENDATION DECISION, MY DECISION IS SAYING UP. MY THING IS THAT ANNU JUST, JUST EXPLAINED THE INCREASE. AND THE FORMER CHIEF EXPLAINED LAST YEAR WHAT THE INCREASE IS [00:45:01] GONNA BE. THE JUDGES CAME TO US IN FRONT OF US AND SAID, ALL THE INCREASE THAT'S COMING DOWN THE, AND THESE ARE MANDATES. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN TOOK ON JUST TO TAKE ON. THESE ARE MANDATES. SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE WHEN, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING IS SOMEONE SAYS, OH, WELL I THINK I NEED AN INCREASE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HAD AN INCREASE IN THE LAST 10. I HAVEN'T HAD AN INCREASE FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME. WHICH, WHICH IS SHOWN, WHAT IS PROVEN HERE IS EVERYTHING THAT THE STATE HAS SENT DOWN TO US. EVERYTHING THAT, UM, IS GOING ON IN THE NEWS TODAY, EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING, IT'S PROVEN THAT THE JOBS HAVE INCREASED. SO I JUST, SO YOU CAN'T, AND AGAIN, YOU, YOU CAN'T PUT EVERYBODY IN ONE CATEGORY AND SAY THAT IT HAS TO BE ON A CASE BY CASE. CASE BY CASE. UM, BASIS. BASIS, THANK YOU SO MUCH. BUT JUDITH HAD TOLD US BEFORE THAT HER SALARY COMPARED TO OTHER CLERKS AROUND THE COUNTY, IS LESS THAN OTHERS. SO HOW CAN WE SAY, OKAY, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE JUDGES AND WE'RE GONNA SAY, FINE, BUT FOR JUDITH, WHO BASICALLY IS UNDERPAID COMPARED TO OTHER TOWN CLERK CLERKS AND SIMILAR THINGS, WE'RE GONNA SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT GIVING YOU AN AN INCREASE. WAIT. BUT HERE'S A SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE IS SAYING, I HAVE EXTRA MONEY IN MY BUDGET. I'M WILLING TO GIVE UP A POSITION IN ORDER TO GIVE OTHER PEOPLE A RAISE. THAT'S CORRECT. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S THE SAME THING IN THE TYPE OF YEAH, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT IT, USUALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, UH, THEY'LL WILL, THEY'LL BE, THEY'LL ASK FOR, YOU KNOW, MORE CF FOR YEAR. I'M TELLING YOU WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS A MILLION. YOU JUST HAVE TO SAY NO. YEAH. BUT WE, YOU JUST HAVE TO SAY NO. YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO GROW A BACKBONE AND SAY NO, I, I, BUT I, I'M SAYING NO. RIGHT. IN MY OPINION, I'M SAYING YOU HAVE TO ADMIT I'M DOING WHAT YOU MM-HMM. , I, I LISTEN TO YOU. RIGHT. IT'S, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, I'M BASICALLY JUST REPEATING WHAT THE CONTROLLER IS ADVISING ME. MM-HMM. , WHO CAN ALSO BE SAID NO TO. NO, BUT I, BUT SHE, I TOLD HER THAT IF I, SHE SAID AS LONG AS I RIGHT. SO YOU JUST SAYING SAY NO, AS LONG AS IT'S SAYING NO ON BUDGET ISSUES. RIGHT. OKAY. MM-HMM. , IF, IF THE JUDGES ARE GOING TO, UH, I MEAN THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHAT I'M GOING, YOU, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND THERE ARE A LOT, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO CONTINUE DOING WHAT I'M PROVIDING THEM. BUT IF THEY'RE PUTTING AFTER HOURS, AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK, NINE TO FIVE IS OUR JOB, AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE A PART-TIMERS. AND IF THEY ARE PUTTING MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, AND PLUS THEY'RE TAKING JOB HOME, I AM GIVING THEM BOXES OF TICKETS TO TAKE IT HOME TO ADJUDICATE THEM AND BRING THEM BACK SO WE COULD SET FINES ON THEM. SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING AFTER HOURS DURING THE DAY WHEN THEY'RE IN THE OFFICE OR DURING THE DAY WHEN I'M IN THE OFFICE, WE ARE GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE EMAILS, WITH THE RESEARCH AND THE DECISIONS AND OR VARIOUS EMAILS THAT NEEDS TO BE SENT OUT. THIS, THIS IS ALL STARTED FROM THE BAIL REFORM AND THE LANDLORD TENANT KNEW, UH, NEW CHANGES THAT CAME INTO LANDLORD TENANT. AND YOU COULD BE TE YOU COULD TESTIFY TO THIS 'CAUSE HE PRACTICED, UH, CRIMINAL LAW AND THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT HAPPENED WITH THE CRIMINAL LAW, IT'S HUGE. AND WE ARE JUST DOING A LITTLE BIT OF IT BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC WE ARE IN. ONCE IT'S OPEN, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AS EASY AS IT LOOKS RIGHT NOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE, IF THEY WILL GET BUSIER THAN WHAT THEY ARE DOING RIGHT NOW. THAT'S ALL. I'M, I'M SAYING IT'S NOT, I AM, I'M WILLING TO SACRIFICE ONE STAFF TO PROVIDE THEM. IT'S, UH, JUST TO, TO GIVE THEM AT LEAST SOMETHING SO THEY WILL BE NO. OKAY. THE TOWN IS, UH, AT LEAST DOING SOMETHING FOR US. WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING FOR THE JUDGES SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. OKAY. I AGREE WITH PAUL. UH, YOU COULD SAVE THE TAPE. , YOU COULD SAVE THE TAPE. I AGREE WITH PAUL ON THIS ONE. FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS, UM, THERE'S A CERTAIN SALARY YOU RUN FOR OFFICE ON THAT SALARY. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE NORMAL COST OF LIVING OR THE C S E A INCREASE, BUT TO DO A JUMP AFTERWARDS. IF THERE WAS TO BE AN INCREASE, I WOULD MAKE IT EFFECTIVE AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION FOR THAT, FOR THAT POSITION, BECAUSE THEN, THEN PEOPLE KNOW TO RUN FOR IT. MAYBE IF WE WOULD'VE ANNOUNCED EARLIER, UM, THAT THE, THE SALARY INCREASE WAS MORE, THERE WOULD BE MORE, I THINK THERE'S UP TO FIVE NOW, UH, PEOPLE FOR THE POSITION. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT MR. SHEEN, THIS, ALL THESE CHANGES HAPPENED NOT DURING THEIR ELECTION PERIOD. THIS, ALL THIS NEW LAW CAME IN, NEW CHANGES, NEW LEGISLATION HAPPENED DURING, AFTER THEY GOT ELECTED. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THEY ASKED, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY, IT WAS HANDED TO THEM. YOU MUST DO IT. SO THAT THAT'S WHY THEY ARE PUTTING THE EXTRA TIME AND EXTRA RESEARCH AND WHATEVER THAT THEY NEED TO DO. I AM NOT A LAWYER, SO I KNOW KNOWING WHAT THEY'RE DOING, I KNOW HOW MUCH TIME I, BECAUSE I AM BEHIND IT, SO I SEE IT, HOW MUCH TIME I'M AFRAID TO GETTING THE DECISIONS DONE. AND WHEN THEY ARE ON THE BENCH, THEY HAVE TO STEP OUT TO GO AND RESEARCH SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING NEW. EVERYTHING IS NEW. EVERYTHING THAT WE [00:50:01] ARE DOING CURRENTLY IS NEW. RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE REASON. IF THEY KNEW, MAYBE, MAYBE THE NEW ELECTION COMES IN, MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE MORE MONEY PUT INTO THE POD SO MORE PEOPLE WILL BE RIGHT. INTERESTED IN DOING THIS JOB. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING RIGHT NOW, THE JUDGES WHO ARE ELECTED INTO THIS POSITION, THEY DID NOT KNOW THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING WHEN THEY WALKED IN. THEY ONLY KNEW THAT WHAT THEY INHERITED AND WHATEVER, IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME WAY. BUT THINGS HAVE CHANGED AFTER THEY GOT IT. I THINK. I THINK THE WORK HAS INCREASED FOR EVERYBODY. NEW FOIL LAWS, YOU NAME IT. I I, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY TAKE WORK HOME, WHO DOESN'T, I MEAN, WE HAVE, WE HAVE DEPARTMENT HEADS UPSTAIRS. THEY'RE TAKING WORK HOME. ONE SLEEPS HERE OVERNIGHT TO GET, UH, THE GRANTS, GRANTS OUT. I MEAN, EVERYBODY HAS HAD TO STEP UP THEIR GAME. AND, UM, BUT IT, WHEN IT COMES TO ELECTED OFFICIALS, THAT'S, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY POSITION. I HAVEN'T REALLY STATED IT VERY MUCH, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET A, A RAISE AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, THE ANNUAL 2% OR WHATEVER IT IS, BUT ACTUALLY CHANGE THE SALARY STRUCTURE OF A POSITION, I REALLY THINK THAT SHOULD BE DONE IN, IN ADVANCE OF ELECTION TIME. RIGHT. IT'S, IT'S AN ELECTED POSITION. VOTERS GET TO HAVE A SAY, AND THEN CANDIDATES GET TO HAVE A SAY AS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S A SALARY THAT ATTRACTS THEM. WE COULD BASICALLY SAY GOING FORWARD, UM, YOU KNOW, EFFECTIVE AFTER THE NEXT ELECTION, THIS IS GONNA BE THE NEW SALARY. AND THEN YOU, AND, AND THEN BASICALLY EVERYBODY, LIKE FRANCIS SAID, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT YOUR COMMENTS WERE VERY ARTICULATE AND BRILLIANT. UM, SAVE THE, SAVE THE TAPE. NO, SAVE THE TAPE. I, I FAILED. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE GETTING, YOU KNOW, MOST ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE PROBABLY UNDERPAID. YOU KNOW, MY SALARY IS $60,000 LESS THAN SOME OTHER TOWN EMPLOYEES. UH, YOU KNOW, WERE DEPARTMENT HEADS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING MORE THAN ME. I DON'T CARE. I LIKE IT. UH, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY WHO RUNS FOR OFFICE, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN BOARD MEMBERS. IF EVERYBODY ON THE TOWN BOARD WAS GETTING, UM, UM, AN HOUR, YOU KNOW, AN HOURLY SALARY, YOU'D BE, UH, PROBABLY, UH, UH, GETTING LIKE A DOLLAR OR $2 AN HOUR. YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'RE, EVERYBODY ON THE TOWN BOARD'S REALLY UNDERPAID RIGHT NOW, UM, FOR THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT YOU PUT IN. BUT THAT'S THE NA NATURE OF BEING IN PUBLIC SERVICE, YOU KNOW? SO I WOULD DEFINITELY, UM, BE RECEPTIVE TO, UM, UH, ADJUSTING THE SALARY AFTER, UH, THE NEXT, UH, UH, TOWN JUDICIAL ELECTION, YOU KNOW, AND THEN BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, SAYING, YOU KNOW, TAKING A LOOK AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, THEN EVERYBODY WOULD KNOW WHAT THE SALARY IS. AND I ALSO THINK WHEN YOU, UH, INCREASE SALARIES FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS, I THINK YOU HAVE TO, UH, HOLD A ANOTHER, YOU HAVE TO NOTICE THERE'S PUBLIC HEARING, I THINK, YOU KNOW, REQUIREMENTS. SO I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF WE POST, IF, IF WE WANT TO DO THIS, I'M NOT EVEN SURE HOW WE COULD, COULD DO IT. I'M ALMOST POSITIVE THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENT STATUTE FOR CHANGING SALARIES OF ELECTED OFFICIALS. WHEN THE BAIL REFORM CAME INTO EFFECT, YOU CHANGED THESE, UM, THERE WERE ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDED THAT YOU HAD TO DO IT. SO YOU DIDN'T, I DON'T THINK IT WAS TOUGH. IT'S, IT'S ON, IT'S IN THE BUDGET, SO I SEE IT AND EVERYBODY SAYS IT. SO I'M ONLY ASKING IF I'M NOT ASKING THROUGHOUT THE OFFICE. I'M JUST ASKING TO ACCOMMODATE THE JUDGES. THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. WELL, IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DISCUSS. I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T MADE DECISIONS ON MANY THINGS IN THE BUDGET YET. SO WE HAVE UNTIL MONDAY . WE HAVEN'T UNTIL MONDAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. BYE-BYE. YOU ALL HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR. HAPPY HOLIDAYS. TAKE CARE. EVERYONE TRAVEL SAFELY. SAFE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DO I GET A STAR? WE HAVE TO DO HIM FIRST, AND THEN THIS, THIS WON'T TAKE, YOU KNOW, FOREVER, SO, YEAH. OH, DO YOU HAVE NUMBERS OR DON'T YOU? YES, I DO. ALRIGHT, SO . BYE-BYE. BYE. GOODNIGHT. SO JUST [00:55:01] AS A INTRODUCTION, I DO HAVE, UH, PRICING FOR, FOR THE NEW RENEWAL. UM, HOW MUCH HAS IT GONE DOWN ? WELL, UM, WE'RE GETTING THERE. UM, AS YOU KNOW, THE LAST FEW YEARS WE'VE BEEN IN WHAT, WHAT'S CALLED A HARD INSURANCE MARKETPLACE WHERE RATES HAVE BEEN GOING UP. UM, THE TOWN EXPERIENCED DOUBLE DIGIT RATE INCREASES FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. UM, I CERTAINLY DO NOT PROFESS TO HAVE A, A CRYSTAL BALL ON HOW THE MARKETPLACE WILL CHANGE, BUT IT APPEARS TO ME THAT WE'RE CRESTING AT THIS POINT IN TIME. THERE IS, UH, AN INCREASE, BUT IT'S, UH, ABOUT 4%, WHICH IS MUCH MORE IN LINE WITH A CRESTING MARKET THAN A HARDENED MARKET. SO MY MY HOPE IS, IS THAT BY THE TIME WE GET TO NEXT YEAR'S RENEWAL, THE MARKETPLACE WILL HAVE STARTED TO SOFTEN. NOW, THERE'S SOME FACTORS, UH, IN THAT, THAT COULD CHANGE, UM, SIGNIFICANT, UH, YOU KNOW, MUNICIPAL UNREST, WHICH WAS PART OF THE FUEL FOR THE LEFT KNOW, FOR THE HARDENING MARKET A FEW YEARS BACK, IF THAT COMES BACK, THAT THAT COULD CHANGE THE OUTLOOK. UM, WHEN YOU SAY MUNICIPAL UNREST, IS THAT UNREST IN A MUNICIPALITY? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. UH, WHETHER IT'S POLICE BASED, LAW ENFORCEMENT BASED OR NOT. UM, RIGHT. ONE OF THE HARD, MORE DIFFICULT INSURANCE LINES THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAS BEEN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT LIABILITY. UM, THERE'S BEEN, UH, AS YOU FOLKS PROBABLY ALL KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY HERE IN IN GREENBURG, BUT THERE'S BEEN SIGNIFICANT, UM, POLICE BASED UNREST THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, AND THAT HAS LED TO SIGNIFICANT, UM, UH, UH, PLAINTIFF'S VERDICTS, UM, THAT HAVE IMPACTED THE INSURANCE ON THE PLACE. UM, THAT SAID, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REPRESSING AND I THINK THAT THE MARKET WILL START TO SOFTEN. SO I'M GONNA PASS OUT, UM, A COUPLE OF, IS THIS THE FULL SPECTRUM OF IN TERMS? YES, SO THANK YOU. WHAT IS CONTAINED HERE IS, UM, ALL COVERAGES, UH, ALL COVERAGES THAT THE TOWN PURCHASES EXCEPT FOR WORKER COMPENSATION, WHICH, UH, IS DONE SEPARATELY. AND YOUR EMPLOYEE BENEFITS, WHICH IS DONE SEPARATELY. WHAT'S CONTAINED HERE IS PROPERTY, UM, LIABILITY, LAW ENFORCEMENT LIABILITY, PUBLIC OFFICIALS LIABILITY, AS WELL AS EMPLOYMENT PRACTICES AND YOUR UMBRELLAS. UM, AND I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT. THE TOWN ALSO MAINTAINS, UH, CYBER PRIVACY LIABILITY COVERAGE, UM, WHICH IS, UM, STILL A DIFFICULT MARKETPLACE. UM, BUT IT DOESN'T, FROM A DOLLAR STANDPOINT, UM, IT'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT PIECE OF YOUR COVERAGE. SO EVEN THOUGH THERE'S PERCENTAGE LARGE INCREASES, THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS ARE NOT, ARE NOT THERE, ARE WE LOSING ANY BENEFITS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW? AND ARE WE, ARE ANY DEDUCTIBLES GOING UP? SO AND OUR S I R YEAH. SIRS ARE STAYING THE SAME ON THE LIABILITY. OKAY. WHAT IS CHANGING IS FOR, UH, AND IT REALLY DOESN'T AFFECT YOU, UM, IS THAT SOME OF THE FLOOD DEDUCTIBLES ON PROPERTIES IN CERTAIN FLOOD ZONES ARE CHANGING FROM 50,000 WHERE IT WAS TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. UH, IN THE FOOTNOTE SECTION. CHANGING IN WHAT WAY? YOU'LL SEE THE 105 HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN ZONES MM-HMM. , UM, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD TANK PLANE ZONES IN THE TIME OF GREENBURG. SO A CHANGE FROM FIVE 50,000 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND SHOULDN'T AFFECT YOU. THERE ARE A FEW LOCATIONS, UM, WITHOUT, UH, FLOOD ZONE. UM, NO OR NO, NO NOTICE IN THE, UM, IN THE, UH, IN THE STATEMENT OF VALUES. UM, AND THOSE FLOOD ZONES WOULD BE EVALUATED AT TIME OF LOSS TO DETERMINE WHAT THE DEDUCTIBLE MIGHT BE. BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, YES, THERE IS A CHANGE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY, BUT IT, BASED ON WHERE YOU ARE AT CURRENTLY WITH YOUR FLOOD ZONES AND YOUR PROPERTIES, IT WON'T AFFECT YOU WHEN YOU SAY THAT FLOOD ZONES MAY BE AFFECTED IN WHAT WAY? SO, UM, WHAT, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS AT TIME OF LOSS, RIGHT? UM, FOR THE FLOOD ZONES THAT AREN'T, UH, OFFICIALLY NOTIF, UH, NOTICED BY FEMA, UM, THE INSURANCE COMPANY WILL COME IN AND REQUEST A FLOOD ZONE REVIEW. AND THE FLOOD ZONES WILL BE ASSIGNED AS, THERE'S ABOUT 20 OF 'EM. SOME OF 'EM ARE LISTED HERE, RIGHT. A, A E AND, [01:00:01] AND, AND ON THROUGH. AND WHAT OCCURS THEN IS THAT ONCE THE FLOOD ZONE IS ASSIGNED, THEN THE DEDUCTIBLE CAN BE ASSIGNED TO THAT PROPERTY. FOR EXAMPLE, THE, UM, WHEN THE FLOODING OCCURRED AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, THAT WAS A 50,000 DEDUCTIBLE. UM, AND MOST, AND THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE WORST AREAS IN TOWN FOR, UH, FOR FLOODING. AND, UM, I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE, UH, AN IMPACTFUL DEDUCTIBLE CHANGE ON ANY PROPERTIES IN LI GREENBURG BECAUSE EVEN THAT ONE IS NOT GONNA CHANGE FROM 50 TO A HUNDRED. AH, STILL STAYING. OKAY. WHEN YOU SAY THAT NONE HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN PROPERTIES, YOU'RE SOLELY LIMITING THAT TO TOWN OWNED PROPERTIES? PROPERTIES, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. OKAY. BECAUSE THERE ARE PLENTY, THERE ARE PLENTY OF FLOOD AREAS CLARIFYING. RIGHT. IT'S ONLY FOR THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE LISTED AT ON THE TOWN STATEMENT OF VALUES. RIGHT. TOWN ON PROPERTY. OKAY. SO GOING DOWN TO THE LAST ITEM, THE FEW LOCATIONS FOR THAT ADDRESSES ARE FOR TOWN ON PROPERTIES ONLY? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT. UM, AND JUST AS A, AN UPDATE, UM, C N A VIEW IS THE PROPERTY CARRIER. UM, IF YOU, NOT TO JUMP AROUND HERE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP BOX ON THE, UH, COVER PAGE, THE EXPIRING PREMIUM ON THE PROPERTY WAS 115,000 9 58. THE RENEWAL WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE BIGGER JUMPS IN THIS RENEWAL. IT WENT TO 1 38. HOWEVER, UM, C N A IS IN THE PROCESS OF, THEY HAVE CURRENTLY HAVE THE, UH, UH, YOUNG CENTER, UH, RESERVED AT ABOUT 550,000. SO THERE'S BEEN, THEY'RE DOING SOME SIGNIFICANT, UM, PAYOUTS, UH, TO BRING THAT, UH, BUILDING BACK TO, UH, LIGHT KIND AND QUALITY THAT IT WAS BEFORE, UM, BEFORE THE, UH, BEFORE THE EVENT. UM, AND THEN AS YOU CONTINUE DOWN THE LIST HERE, YOU'LL SEE, UH, GENERAL LIABILITY, UH, WAS UP SLIGHTLY. UH, THE AUTOMOBILE IS UP SLIGHTLY, BUT REALISTICALLY, UH, ON A RATE BASIS, THE AUTOMOBILE ACTUALLY WENT DOWN IN PRICE BECAUSE YOU, LAST YEAR YOU HAD 318 VEHICLES ON YOUR LIST, ON YOUR VEHICLE LIST. THIS YEAR, SAME TIME A YEAR LATER THIS YEAR YOU ARE AT 3 35. SO EVEN THOUGH THE PREMIUM IS UP, UM, ABOUT $8,000, YOU'RE, YOU'VE GOT A SIGNIFICANTLY BIGGER VEHICLE FLEET, UH, THAT YOU'RE INSURED. UH, AND THEN THE, UM, CONTINUING DOWN THE LIST, UH, WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT LIABILITY AND WITH PUBLIC OFFICIALS NOW ONE STRUCTURAL CHANGE TO YOUR POLICIES. UM, AND IT, IT'S NOT A PREMIUM BEARING CHANGE OR A COVER, IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOUR COVERAGE. IT'S JUST THE STRUCTURE OF THE POLICIES ARE THAT IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD AND PURCHASED SIGNIFICANT LIMITS FROM SAFETY NATIONAL INSURANCE COMPANY, THEY'VE BEEN YOUR PRIMARY AS WELL AS SHUT YOUR UMBRELLAS. SAFETY NATIONAL. HAS, UH, OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS BEEN CUTTING BACK ON THE LIMITS THAT THEY WOULD OFFER. COULD YOU JUST, UH, I MISSED YES. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE VEHICLES, THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES. YES. COULD YOU JUST REPEAT THAT AGAIN? 'CAUSE I JUST MISSED? SURE. SO, UM, LAST YEAR AT THIS TIME, THE PRESENTATION TIME, JANUARY 1ST, RENEWAL TIME, UM, THE TOWN HAD 318 VEHICLES ON THE VEHICLE LIST THAT WERE BEING INSURED. UM, THIS YEAR, AS OF, UH, RIGHT NOW, UH, THERE'S 335 VEHICLES. DO YOU KNOW ROBERTA, YOU KNOW WHY THAT YEAH. BECAUSE, UM, WITH SOMEONE LOOKING AT THE CAPITAL WITH THE LISTING, MAY ROBERTA, ER YES, BECAUSE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH. IN REVIEWING THE FIXED ASSETS LAST YEAR, THERE WERE SOME VEHICLES THAT WERE FOUND THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDED TO THE LIST. SO IT'S NOT THAT WE INCREASED THE INVENTORY, IT'S BASICALLY THAT WERE ADDING MORE TO THE LIST. YEAH. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT INCREASES BY LIKE ONE OR TWO A YEAR. RIGHT. BUT IT'S WASN'T, BUT NOT, YEAH. NOT SIGNIFICANT. IT'S BECAUSE IN REVIEWING THE FIXED ASSET LISTING, IT WAS FOUND THAT THERE WERE SOME ADDITIONAL ONES THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDED. AND WE MAKE CHANGES, YOU KNOW, AS, AS YOU ADD AND DELETE VEHICLES RIGHT. DURING THE YEAR, IT'S NOT JUST DONE ONCE, ONCE A YEAR. I'M JUST USING THE NUMBERS, JUST SO FOR COMPARISON PURPOSES, SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT HOW THE 65,544 [01:05:01] THAT THE TOWN PAID FOR AUTOMOBILE INSURANCE LAST YEAR COMPARES TO THIS YEAR. AND, AND, UH, TO HELP, RIGHT. THE RATING, OH, I'M SORRY. YOU NO, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK ABOUT THE RATINGS OF THE COMPANIES THAT, THAT ARE BEING USED MM-HMM. , THEY ALL ARE HIGHLY RATED COMPANIES. THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. UH, SAFETY NATIONAL, WHO IS PROVIDING, UH, MOST OF YOUR PRIMARY LIABILITY IS, IS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN A PLUS. MM-HMM. , UH, BY AM S RATED CARRIER. UM, DIANE ALWAYS ASKS, ARE THEY NEW YORK? AND, AND NEW YORK. RIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU WHAT YOU ALWAYS ASK. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU . UH, ROBERTA, IN TERMS OF THE PERCENTAGES, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE 4% INCREASE, IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE BUDGET HAD? YES. YEAH. SO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT, WHEN I WAS ORIGINALLY GETTING THE QUOTES FROM SAFETY NATIONAL, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS GOING UP A LOT BECAUSE THE CHANGE BETWEEN THE LIMITS. SO NOW THAT THE DIFFERENCE, IT WAS SPREAD OUT OVER THE UMBRELLA. MM-HMM. . 'CAUSE WHAT WE DID WAS WHEN SAFETY RE REDUCED THEIR, THE LIMITS THEY WERE GONNA PROVIDE, WE WENT AND PURCHASED LIMITS FROM ANOTHER CARRIER, RIGHT? MM-HMM. , UM, WHICH IS ARCH SPECIALTY. AND YOU'LL SEE, AS YOU LOOK DOWN THAT CHART, YOU'LL SEE THAT ARCH SPECIALTY DIDN'T EXIST LAST YEAR BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING LIMITS FROM, UM, SAFETY NATIONAL THIS YEAR. WHEN SAFETY REDUCED THEIR LIMITS, WE ADDED OUR SPECIALTY AS A LINE ITEM, UM, TO, TO KEEP THE LIMITS. SO I, SO I PRESUME THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE A HIGH RATING AND THEY'RE ALSO IN, WITHIN THE NEW YORK? THAT'S CORRECT. SYSTEM. AND, YOU KNOW, THE, GENERALLY SPEAKING, UH, AND, AND THIS HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE, BUT, UM, THE LAST FEW YEARS, EVEN THOUGH INSURANCE COMPANIES, UM, HAVE SEEN SIGNIFICANT LOSS ACTIVITY, UM, TO DATE, IT HAS NOT, UH, ADVERSELY AFFECTED THEIR FINANCIAL STRENGTH. MM-HMM. AND I, I, I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT I KNOW THE REASON, THE EXACT REASON WHY, BUT THE BASIC REASON WHY IS BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN RAISING PRICES TO CONSUMERS JUST AS LONG AS, UM, ALONG THE WAY IS AS THEY'VE BEEN PAYING, UH MM-HMM. HIGHER LOSSES. SO, AND AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I THINK THAT'S CAPPING OFF. AND I THINK, UH, THE TOWN NEXT YEAR AT RENEWAL SHOULD START TO SEE THE MARKETPLACE GOING THE OTHER WAY. WE HAVE TWO PART 1 0 7 LICENSE PILOTS. YES. THIS ONLY, THIS SEEMS TO LIMIT IT, UH, THAT THEY'LL ONLY HAVE COVERAGE IF IT'S THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DRONE. UH, THEY HAVE COVERAGE IF THE, IF THE DRONE IS BEING OPERATED BY ONE OF THE LICENSED PILOTS. OH. SO WE SHOULDN'T ACTUALLY PUT POLICE DEPARTMENT IN HERE BECAUSE PARKS HAS ONE. RIGHT. AND DURING THE BEGINNING OF THE PANDEMIC, THEY DID A BEAUTIFUL FLYOVER OF HARTSBURG NATURE, UH, PRESERVE, AND I MEAN, IT WAS VERY SOOTHING FOR, YOU KNOW, AND WE PLAYED THAT FOR A WHILE TO, TO JUST HAVE IT FLY THROUGH THE TREES AND JUST TO, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE THAT WERE TOTALLY INBOUND. RIGHT. AND, BUT THEY ARE BOTH LICENSED PILOTS, THE PEOPLE THAT WERE YES. AS LONG AS THE, UH, DRONES ARE OPERATED BY THE LICENSED PILOTS. OKAY. THEN THE DRONE COVERAGE THAT THE TOWN HAS. OKAY. RESPOND. OKAY. SO THEN IT, THIS PROBABLY SHOULD READ, UH, ONLY APPLIES TO THE LICENSED PILOT, NOT NECESSARILY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. IT SHOULD APPLY. I, I, AND I WILL MAKE THE, THE CHANGE, IF YOU WILL. ALL RIGHT. MM-HMM. , JUST SAY UNMANNED AIRCRAFT LIABILITY FOR THE TOWN, UM MM-HMM. . RIGHT. THIS IS THE TOWN'S POLICY. RIGHT. RIGHT. UH, AND THEN, UM, OTHER, UH, ITEMS IN THE COST, UH, STRUCTURE HERE, UM, TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THE TOP BOX, UM, AS YOU KNOW, UM, U S I IS ON A FEE ARRANGEMENT WITH THE TOWN OF GREENBURG. OUR FEE WAS AGREED TO, UH, FOR A TWO, TWO YEAR TERM. UM, SO THERE'S NO CHANGES, UH, WITH THAT. AND THEN THE LAST LINE ITEM IS WHERE IT SAYS T P A, THAT'S YOUR THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATOR, T P A, UM, P M A IS YOUR THIRD PARTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE TOWNS. UH, THE TOWN ATTORNEY AND HIS STAFF WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH P M A TO ADMINISTER ALL OF YOUR LIABILITY CLAIMS, UM, AND, UH, DEFEND THE TOWN AND PAY ANY LOSS THAT THAT MIGHT BE OCCURRED. AND SO THAT'S THE RULE OF THE T P A. UM, ON THE NEXT PAGE, IF, IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS THERE, UH, [01:10:01] I JUST WANNA SPEND A MOMENT ON THE MARKETING, UM, YOU KNOW, PART OF OUR ROLE AS YOUR, BEFORE YOU MOVE, BECAUSE, UH, THE CYBER YEAH. DOES THAT, DOES THAT, UH, STILL INCLUDE RANSOMWARE? AND IT DOES. OKAY. UH, AND THERE'S FURTHER INTO THE, UH, PUT HERE AND PAGE NUMBER, UH, ON PAGE FIVE, UM, IS THE BREAKDOWN OF THE EXACT COVERAGE THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE CYBER, UH, OKAY. PRIVACY LIABILITY. AND THERE'S BEEN NO CHANGE YEAR OVER YEAR. UM, JUST AS, JUST AS AN ASIDE THOUGH, UH, THE INSURANCE COMPANY, AND NOT JUST TRAVELERS, BUT MOST INSURANCE COMPANIES IN THE CYBER, UH, MARKETPLACE HAVE REQUIRED MULTI-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION. AND PART OF THE UNDERWRITING, UM, THAT WE WORKED THROUGH WITH ROBERTA WAS THE TRAVELERS ASKED FOR YOU TO ATTEST THAT YOU HAVE MULTI-FACTOR AUTHORIZATION, WHICH YOU DO. WE DO. AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY OFFERED A QUOTE, I, I WILL SHARE WITH YOU THAT MM-HMM. , UM, THERE ARE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF MUNICIPALITIES WHO DO NOT HAVE CYBER COVERAGE NOW BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE MULTIFACTOR AUTHORIZATION. AND IT'S BECOME, NO, NOT ONLY WITH TRAVELERS, BUT MOST OF THE OTHER CARRIERS IN THE MARKET, IT'S BECOME A REQUIREMENT. RIGHT. SO, SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD THING, UM, RIGHT. YOU'RE, YOU'RE STAYING, UH, AHEAD OF THE CURRENT FILE AND IT'S WORKING OUT WELL. I MEAN, IT'S AN EXTRA STEP, YOU KNOW, AND YOU HAVE TO GET THE, THE NUMBER THAT COMES OFF IN YOUR PHONE. BUT, UH, IT'S, IT'S WORTH IT. RECENT, THE MOST RECENT STATISTICS I SAW WERE THAT, UM, OF, UH, ALL THE, UH, UH, DIFFICULT CYBER PRIVACY LIABILITY CASES, 85% OF THEM WERE, UH, PERPETRATED ON ENTITIES THAT DID NOT HAVE MULTIFACTOR AUTHORIZATION. AND MM-HMM. , A HANDFUL, UM, DID IT, SO WHAT, 15? WHO DID FALL AFRAID? UM, WHERE WOULD BE, UM, COMMON? SAME, ACTUALLY, MOST OF THOSE CASES WERE, UM, WERE RANSOMWARE OR SOCIAL ENGINEERING. SOCIAL ENGINEERING IS WHERE, UM, SOMEONE RECEIVES AN EMAIL, THEY THINK IT'S AUTHENTIC. MM-HMM. , THEY CLICK ONTO THE LINK YEP. AND MALWARE IS RELEASED INTO YOUR SYSTEM. AND THEN YOU GET AN EMAIL SAYING IT'S GONNA COST X NUMBER OF DOLLARS MM-HMM. TO GET YOUR SYSTEM RELEASED. UM, THAT TYPE OF, UM, INFILTRATION HAS BECOME ONE OF THE BIGGEST CAUSES OF LOSS, UM, IN THIS AREA. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, EDUCATION IS THE KEY THERE. IS THERE SOME SORT OF, UH, TRAINING AMONG THE STAFF TO NOT CLICK ON THOSE OR ALERTS WHEN IS POTENTIALLY NOW AWARE THAT IS BEING DISSEMINATED? THAT WAS PART OF A, A, UH, TRAINING VIDEO. I HAVE TO SEE WHAT, HOW, WHETHER OR NOT WE'VE DONE THAT FOR NEW EMPLOYEES. WE REALLY SHOULD. YEAH. TALKING ABOUT JUST SAYING DON'T CLICK ON, OR MAYBE, MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE LIKE A STICKER ON, UH, EACH COMPUTER, UH, EACH, EACH, UH, MONITOR MUST BE BLESSED, YOU KNOW, JUST SAYING EXACTLY. YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH LIKE A WARNING, BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU CAN HAVE A TRAINING AND EVERYBODY, I MEAN, EVERYBODY KNOWS OF 'EM ARE VERY CLEVER. PAUSE. OH, YEAH. IT'S REALLY RIGHT. YOU KNOW, IF THE, IF IT CAN BE AHEAD OF THE GAME AND JUST SEND, SEND WARNINGS, DO NOT. RIGHT. BUT SOMETIMES YOU THINK, UH, EVEN, EVEN WHEN YOU, EVEN WHEN YOU KNOW, AND YOU'RE ALERT, YOU CAN STILL GET CAUGHT. RIGHT. THIS, THIS IS TRUE. YES. IT CUTS DOWN. NO, IT CUT DOES CUT IT DOWN, BUT IT'S REAL. THEY'RE REALLY GOTTEN VERY SOPHISTICATED. VERY SOPHISTICATED. WE DO HAVE A PROMPT THAT COMES UP IF IT'S NOT A, A, YOU KNOW, FOR US, A TOWN OF GREENBURG EMAIL, IT TELLS US, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS NOT ORIGINATING ANYWHERE WITHIN TOWN OF GREENBERG. I THINK GREENBERG AND ME, THAT, UM, UH, WE HAVE LIKE THIS ADVANCED, YOU KNOW, SYSTEM WHERE MM-HMM. , IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO HACK. THAT'S WHAT HE MEANT. WELL, LET'S NOT SAY THAT BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE HACKERS WHO WANT DRIVE. REPEAT THAT. WHAT WAS THAT? I GOT AN EMAIL FROM RICH ADELSON SAYING, OH, I JUST MEANT TO SEND YOU THESE PHOTOS. THIS GO, THIS LINK. HE PASSED AWAY HOW MANY YEARS AGO? HE'S BEEN DEAD, LIKE, FOR THREE, FOUR YEARS. YEAH. ALRIGHT. SCARY. I HAVE TO EXCUSE MYSELF BECAUSE, UH, I HAVE TO, UH, HELP SOMEBODY IN NIGERIA RIGHT NOW. YEAH. BUT SOME ARE, SOME ARE AON . SOME ARE, SOME ARE MORE SUBTLE THAN THAT. RIGHT. OH, YEAH. ONE, ONE OTHER, UH, ITEM THAT I'LL MENTION ABOUT THE TRAINING PART IS THAT, UM, TRAVELERS BEING, [01:15:01] IS YOUR, IS YOUR CURRENT CARRIER FOR THIS COVERAGE. AND, UH, LIKE MANY OF THE OTHER CARRIERS WHO HAVE SUSTAINED AND ARE STILL SELLING THIS COVERAGE THROUGH THE LAST FEW YEARS, UM, THEY'VE DEVELOPED SOME FAIRLY, UM, UH, INVOLVED AND EXCELLENT, UH, TRAINING THAT IS AVAILABLE TO YOU AS A POLICYMAKER. AND SO, UM, THAT'S GOOD. YOU KNOW, I PUT THAT OUT. OBVIOUSLY YOU NEED TO DO THE ACTUAL WORK WITH YOUR EMPLOYEES, BUT THERE ARE GOOD, UH, MODELS, UH, AND TRAINING COURSES, UH, THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE TEN THREE OF CHARGE. UM, SO, UM, IF YOU WANT ME TO MM-HMM. , THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA. ABSOLUTELY. PLEASE DO THAT. UH, 'CAUSE IT'S, IT, YOU KNOW, WE, I WILL TELL YOU THAT AT U S I AS AN EMPLOYER, FOR EXAMPLE, I PROBABLY GET TWO FAKE EMAILS A WEEK. MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, UM MM-HMM. . AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH TRAINING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE EMAIL ADDRESS IS WRONG. THERE'S SOME MISSPELLED WORDS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF CLUES MM-HMM. THAT YOU CAN, AND WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THAT TRAINING, INITIALLY, IT'S LIKE, HOW AM I GONNA REMEMBER ALL THIS? BUT ONCE YOU SEE IT AND HAVE IT HAPPENED A FEW TIMES, YOU PICK UP ON IT RIGHT AWAY. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD VERY FEW ISSUES. RIGHT. IN PART, IN PART BECAUSE I THINK, UM, WE'VE TRAINED OUR EMPLOYEES WELL. YEAH. LABOR, UM, ON PAGE TWO, UM, IS A, UH, RUNDOWN OF THE DIFFERENT CARRIERS, INSURANCE CARRIERS THAT WE APPROACH DURING THE, THIS MARKETING SEASON. IF YOU'LL THE 2021 MARKETING SEASON, WE NORMALLY START, UM, REQUESTING INFORMATION FOR THE NEW YEAR, UM, AROUND THE 1ST OF SEPTEMBER. UM, AND BASED UPON, UM, THAT WE'LL GO OUT TO THE MARKETPLACE AND SOLICIT QUOTES FROM OTHER CARRIERS, UM, AND GENERALLY TRY TO GET A FEEL FOR WHAT'S GOING TO OCCUR, UH, WITH THE NEXT RENEWAL. UM, DEPENDING UPON THE COVERAGE LINE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY WILL GET DIFFERENT RESULTS. SO UP AT THE TOP BOX IS THE CASUALTY LINES. IN OTHER WORDS, YOUR LIABILITY, LAW ENFORCEMENT LIABILITY, PUBLIC OFFICIALS LIABILITY. AND INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, ONE, ONE COMMON, EXCUSE ME, ONE COMMON THEME WE RECEIVED BACK FROM A NUMBER OF CARRIERS WAS THAT A LOT OF CARRIERS WERE BACKING OFF WRITING TOWNS IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY. THAT'S WHAT THEY ASKED YOU THAT. YEAH. UM, AND WHICH WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. I HADN'T HEARD THAT ONE BEFORE. BUT, UM, UPON, UH, UH, FURTHER INVESTIGATION, WE FOUND THAT THERE HAD BEEN SOME SIGNIFICANT, UM, SETTLEMENTS FOR CASES THAT HADN'T OCCURRED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, BUT A NUMBER OF YEARS BACK. AND SO THERE WAS SOME PUSHBACK FROM THE BARRIERS, UM, NOT TO OFFER, UH, COVERAGE FROM THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY GOVERNMENT OR FROM WEST. UM, THEY WEREN'T SPECIFIC. HMM. AND IS THAT CONTINUING JUST LIKE CAR INSURANCE? WHAT'S THAT? MM-HMM. , YOU MAKE TOO MANY CLAIMS, THEY KICK YOU OFF. YEP. UM, SO, AND THEN INTO A RISK FACTOR, THE REST OF THE, UM, CARRIERS ARE LISTED, UM, WITH THEIR COMMENTS. AND AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, ONE OF THE BIGGER, UH, UNDERWRITING AREAS IS CYBER. AND, UM, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CARRIERS WHO, UM, WOULD NOT COMPETE AGAINST TRAVELERS OR WOULD COMPETE, BUT OFFER TERMS THAT WERE ADVERSE COMPARED TO TECH DRIVERS. UM, AND THEN THE REST, PARDON ME, THE REST OF YOUR PACKET, UM, FROM PAGE THREE ON IS PAGE THREE, FOUR AND FIVE. I'M SORRY, THREE, THREE AND FOUR IS THE ACTUAL STATEMENT OF VALUES, WHICH IS THE LISTING OF THE TOWN PROPERTIES AND THE AMOUNTS THAT ARE INSURED, UH, FOR EACH PROPERTY. UM, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT THE TOWN'S POLICY FOR PROPERTY IS A BLANKET POLICY. MEANING THAT IF ONE OF THESE STRUCTURES, FOR EXAMPLE, BURNED TO THE GROUND, LET'S JUST PICK, UH, THE, UH, UH, POLICE BUILDING, WHICH IS CURRENTLY INSURED FOR 6,578,000. IF THAT BURNED TO THE GROUND AND IT COSTS $8 MILLION TO REBUILD IT, YOU WOULD PULL FROM THE BLANKET AND, AND REBUILD, UH, LIGHT KIND INEQUALITY. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE, WHAT THE VALUES THAT ARE LISTED HERE [01:20:01] ARE REALLY VALUES BEING LISTED FOR PURPOSES OF RATING TO GET A PREMIUM, BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA PULL THE BLANKET. MM-HMM. SHOULD YOU HAVE A CATASTROPHIC, SO ON, ON THIS LIST, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK YOU SHOULD DROP THE WORD NEW IN FRONT OF TOWN HALL. I THINK, I THINK WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE, , I THINK WE'VE BEEN HERE WHILE, UH, BUT WE HAVE BEEN DOING, WE HAVE A VERY AGGRESSIVE, UM, CONSOLIDATED WATER DISTRICT INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN THAT WE'VE BEEN IMPLEMENTING. AND WE'LL FIND OUT MORE ABOUT IT TOMORROW NIGHT AND HOW, HOW TO PAY FOR IT. UH, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN DOING IS REPLACING OUR WATER TANKS. SO ARE WE REFLECTING TO THE INSURANCE COMPANIES WHEN WE TAKE DOWN A WATER TANK AND PUT UP A NEW ONE? ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT SO THAT THERE MIGHT NOT BE THE SAME LIABILITY, UH, AS IT IS FOR A BRAND NEW ONE STATE OF THE ART AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING? YES. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL CHECKS AND BALANCES IN THE STATEMENT OF VALUES. THE MAIN IS EACH YEAR IN SEPTEMBER-ISH, UH, EARLY SEPTEMBER, WE'LL SEND THE STATEMENT OF VALUES, UM, TO, AND, AND HER STAFF TO GO THROUGH AND VERIFY THAT WE HAVEN'T SOLD SOME PROPERTIES OR, YOU KNOW, GOTTEN RID OF PROPERTIES AND PERHAPS GOT TO TELL US OR WHAT HAVE YOU. AND SO WE'LL DO THAT PART OF THE WORK. AND THEN AS FAR AS UPGRADES GO, KEEP IN MIND THAT INSURANCE IS NOT BASED ON MARKET VALUE. INSURANCE IS BASED ON REPLACEMENT COSTS. SO AS LONG AS THE COST TO REBUILD THE BRICKS AND MORTAR OF THE WATER TANK IS COMPARABLE TO WHAT IT WAS, PERHAPS 10 OR 15 YEARS AGO, AND IT MAY NOT BE. UM, BUT AS LONG AS IT IS, AND AGAIN, YOU'RE USING THE SAME VALUE, THEN YOUR STATEMENT OF VALUE SHOULD STAY THE SAME. IF THE WATER TANK HAS MORE ELS AND WHISTLES THAN THE OLD ONE BESIDES BEING OLD, AND THEREFORE MORE, THEN THAT DOESN'T CHANGE. NO. BECAUSE KEEP IN MIND THAT, UM, THE, UH, THE, UH, OPERATION OF THE WATER TANK IS A LIABILITY, NOT A PROPERTY ISSUE. SO, IN OTHER WORDS, PROPERTY, WE'RE ENSURING THE STRUCTURE, WE'RE ENSURING, YOU KNOW, UH, THIS, THIS BUILDING, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE ENSURING THIS BUILDING, IT'S A SPRINKLER BUILDING. IT'S X NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET, UM, IT'S MADE OF SUCH AND SUCH OF MATERIALS, AND THEY ASSIGN A, UM, VALUE PER SQUARE FOOT TO DO THAT WITH THE WATER TANK. YOU MAY HAVE AN UPGRADED WATER TANK THAT'S GOING TO, UM, ALLOW WATER TO BE PUMPED MORE EFFICIENTLY, OR, UM, PROBLEMS TO BE AVOIDED EASIER. THAT PART OF IT IS NOT, UM, INSURED FOR PROPERTY AS MUCH AS THAT HELPS YOU ON THE LIABILITY SIDE. IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU HAD A, IF YOU HAD A PROBLEM, YOU COULD NOT SUPPLY WATER. 'CAUSE YOUR TANK IS OIL. THAT'S A LIABILITY TO THE TOWN. YOU UPGRADE YOUR, YOUR TANK WITH NEW BELLS AND WHISTLES THAT MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT AND MAKE IT LESS LIKELY TO HAVE A PROBLEM. THAT'S, THAT ELIMINATES A LIABILITY OR REDUCES THE LIABILITY. BUT TO USE YOUR ANALOGY MM-HMM. IN USING THE, THE BUILDING. RIGHT. IF THIS BUILDING WERE NOT SPRINKLED MM-HMM. , THERE WOULD BE A DIFFERENCE. NOT THAT'S CORRECT. JUST THE LIABILITY, BUT IN THE ACTUAL, WELL, THE LIABILITY WOULDN'T BE EFFECTIVE. BUT WHAT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE HERE WOULD BE THE PROPERTY RATE. BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, VIS-A-VIS THE WATER TANKS. IF THEY HAVE, IF THEY'RE BETTER QUALITY BELLS AND WHISTLES, LIKE HAVING SPRINKLERS AND ANALOGIES AND ANALOG SPEAKING, THEN, THEN WHY YOU NEED THAT SAME, WELL, I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS THAT MORE BELLS AND WHISTLES WITH WATER TANKS MEANS THAT YOU'RE SERVING THE PUBLIC IN A MORE EFFICIENT MANNER. THAT'S MY INTERPRETATION. AS OPPOSED TO WATER TANKS. I'M JUST USING AN EXAMPLE HOW, HOW ASPECTS THAT MAKE THEM BETTER EFFICIENT. WELL, THAT WASN'T REALLY MY POINT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE WATER TANK, YOU KNOW, YOU PUMP UP WATER INTO IT AND IT COMES DOWN BY GRAVITY. UH, MY POINT WAS, IS IF YOU HAVE A WATER TANK THAT SOME OF THEM ARE QUITE OLD THAT ARE RUSTING AND MAY EVENTUALLY FAIL AND HAVE ALL THAT WATER ABOVE YOU COMING DOWN ON YOU. RIGHT. AND YOU REPLACE IT WITH A NEW, ONE STATE OF THE ART, MEANING IT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CHANCES OF THERE BEING MATERIAL FAILURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. RIGHT. GREATLY REDUCED. YOU'RE SAYING THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY CHANGE OUR, OUR NUMBER? NO, BECAUSE THAT'S AN ELIMINATION OF [01:25:01] A LIABILITY. OKAY. IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU ALLOW THAT WATER TANK TO GET RUSTED, RIGHT. 10,000 GALLONS COME OUT AND THEY FLOOD 14 HOUSES ON SUCH AND SUCH A STREET, THAT'S A LIABILITY FOR THE TOWN. 'CAUSE YOU DIDN'T MAINTAIN THE WATER TANK. SO IT WOULDN'T FAIL THE FACT THAT YOU GO IN AND YOU BUILD A NEW WATER TANK BE AND WHISTLES TO ELIMINATE THAT LIABILITY MEANS YOU'RE DOING JUST THAT. YOU'RE ELIMINATING I REDUCING THE LIABILITY. AND JUST FOR THE PUBLIC, WE, WE HAVE REPLACED THE, THE WATER TANKS. RIGHT. NO WATER, NO WATER TANK HAS, UH, GOTTEN EVEN CLOSE TO THE POSSIBILITY OF FALLING DOWN. RIGHT. , IT WAS JUST, JUST, JUST A HYPOTHETICAL FOR INSURANCE PURPOSES. AND BY THE WAY, THOSE MORE EFFICIENT AND IF YOU RIGHT, THAT WOULD BE BETTER. OH YEAH. BETTER MONITORING AND WE KNOW HOW MUCH WATER IS IN IT AND SURE. ALL THAT KIND OF GOOD STUFF. ARE ALL THIS, UH, LIKE THE SAFETY INITIATIVES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, SIDEWALKS, WE'RE DOING A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN SAFETY INITIATIVES BEFORE SYSTEM. DOES THAT REDUCE, UH, ANY THAT HELPS IN THE LIABILITY? IN OTHER WORDS? UM, YOU KNOW, UH, ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE LEADING CAUSES OF LOSS FOR ANY MUNICIPALITY IS SLIPS AND FALLS. UM, WHETHER IT BE, YOU KNOW, POTHOLE THAT SOMEONE ON THE SIDEWALK THAT SOMEONE SLIPS IN, UM, AND S DOWN, THOSE ARE ALL, UH, SIGNIFICANT, CAN BECOME SIGNIFICANT CLAIMS. AND, AND THE TOWN HAS HAD THOSE IN THE PAST BY GOING THROUGH AND DOING THE MAINTENANCE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. UM, THAT SHOULD REDUCE THE FREQUENCY AND SEVERITY OF THOSE LOSSES. AND THAT OBVIOUSLY EVENTUALLY, UH, SEEP INTO LOWER PREMIUMS. BUT FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE WE, THE AAA, THAT GAVE US A PLATINUM AWARD FOR THE FIFTH CONSECUTIVE YEAR. I SAW THAT. SO WHEN WE MADE THE INSURANCE COMPANIES AWARE OF THAT, THAT WAS A VERY GOOD AWARD. UM, AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, I THINK ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO SHARE WITH YOUR INSURERS BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, UH, SOMETHING THAT SETS YOU APART. AND I THINK VERY FEW COMMUNITIES HAVE THAT. VERY FEW. AND YOU WERE, UH, VERY TOP AWARD, UM, FOR SAFETY. RIGHT. AND, UH, WITH THE COMMUNITY. SO, UM, GUESS THOSE THINGS ARE VERY IMPORTANT. AND, AND IF YOU ARE OFFERED TO PARTICIPATE IN THOSE TYPES OF PROGRAMS, 'CAUSE SOMETIMES THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, AA OR OTHER TYPES OF ORGANIZATIONS WOULD COME IN AND SAY, WE DO YOU WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR SAFETY PROGRAM AND SEE IF YOU QUALIFY FOR A CERTAIN STANDING? UM, COMPARED TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT'S, IT'S YOUR DECISION, BUT GOOD RESULTS IN THAT, UM, FAVORABLY COMPACT YOUR INSURANCE COSTS. YOU KNOW, I, UH, WE HAVE SOMEBODY IN, UH, THE CONTROLLER'S OFFICE WHO'S EVERYBODY'S AFRAID OF BECAUSE SHE MAKES US TAKE ALL THESE, UH, SEMINARS ON TRAINING AND ALL THAT. BUT THE QUESTION THAT I HAD IS, UM, I WAS READING THAT SOME COMMUNITIES HAVE SAY HARASSMENT OFFICERS, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE NATION. UM, IF, UH, SAY THE TOWN WOULD, UM, CREATE A HARASSMENT OFFICER TO DEAL WITH, YOU KNOW, DISCRIMINATION, HARASSMENT ISSUES, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE BENEFICIAL IN TERMS OF OUR INSURANCE RATES? IT, IT COULD BE, BUT I HAVE TO, UM, PUT A CAVEAT ON ANY TYPE OF PROGRAM THAT YOU MIGHT PARTICIPATE IN, IN THAT IT'S OUR BELIEF, AND IT'S MY BELIEF AS A RISK MANAGER, THAT BEFORE YOU PARTICIPATE IN A PROGRAM LIKE THAT, YOU WANT TO KNOW, YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOUR BASELINE IS. HOW MANY LOSSES AM I HAVING IN THE HARASSMENT, JUST TO USE YOUR EXAMPLE, UM, EACH YEAR, UM, FOR THE PAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. AND WHEN YOU PUT THAT PERSON IN PLACE OVER THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, DID IT POSITIVELY IMPACT THAT RATE? UM, WITHOUT THE BASELINE, BEFORE YOU START WITH A NEW PROGRAM, YOU, IT'D BE DIFFICULT TO SAY IF IT'S BEEN EFFECTIVE OR NOT. SO THAT'S, SO REALLY LOOKING FORWARD IN TERMS OF LIKE LONG-TERM MANAGEMENT, WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING WHEN WE SET UP A NEW PROGRAM IS WE SHOULD DO A BASELINE. AND THEN, FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY WE'RE DOING PEDESTRIAN SAFETY. YEAH. WE COULD SAY, OKAY, THIS YEAR WE'VE HAD THIS NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS, AND THEN TWO YEARS FROM NOW, WE GO TO YOU AND WE SAY, LOOK, LOOK HOW MUCH WE REDUCED IT BY. RIGHT. AND THEN, SO WE DO THAT WITH LIKE, ANY NEW INITIATIVE THAT WE'RE DOING. ABSOLUTELY. AND IT'S THE SAME PRINCIPLE THAT WOULD FLOW OVER INTO YOUR WORKER'S COMP WHERE YOU SAY, I'M HAVING, UH, I'VE HAD 10 BACK INJURIES THIS YEAR, UM, AND I'VE PUT IN A BACK INJURY PREVENTION PROGRAM, AND NOW I'VE ONLY HAD FOUR BACK INJURIES. THE, THE NEXT [01:30:01] YEAR. IT, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE IF A PROGRAM OR A INITIATIVE OF SAFETY OR ANY TYPE IS EFFECTIVE, YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOUR BASELINE IS, WHAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH. AND, AND JUST TO CARRY THAT ONE STEP, UH, FURTHER SUPERVISOR, WE CAN HELP YOU ESTABLISH THE BASELINE. 'CAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF DATA, SOME DATA THAT ISN'T INSURANCE REPORTABLE. WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO YOUR, TO YOUR RECORDS. BUT IF YOU HAD SITUATIONS THAT WERE INSURANCE REPORTABLE, UM, THAT YOU WANTED TO PUT IN PROGRAMS TO CONT HOPEFULLY CONTAIN THEM, UM, WE CAN HELP YOU PROVIDE. YEAH, IT WOULD BE GREAT. BECAUSE LIKE I'M THINKING FOR EXAMPLE, UH, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WE WENT TO THE ONE ARM BANDED THE SANITATION TRUCK THAT LIFTS PEOPLE, LIFTS GARBAGE UP ELECTRONICALLY. MM-HMM. THAT PROBABLY REDUCED THE BACK INJURIES, I WOULD ASSUME. UM, YES. SO WAS THAT LIKE, AS LONG AS THEY USE THEM? NO, BUT IS THAT, WAS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT SAY WAS REPORTED TO THE INSURANCE? THEY DO, ABSOLUTELY. THEY DO MINE BY HAND, THAT ONE IF, WHERE I WOULD GO TO GET YOUR BASELINE, AND YOU COULD PROBABLY GO BACK AND LOOK BACK THE, THIS WAS THE DAY WE PUT THAT WORKERS' COMP, THE NEW GARBAGE TRUCKS INTO PLACE. AND YOU COULD LOOK AT YOUR LOSS INFORMATION AND SAY, PRIOR TO THAT I HAD 10 WORKERS' COMP CLAIMS WITH, WITH THE, THE INDIVIDUALS RIDING THE TRUCKS. UM, FIVE OF 'EM WERE BACKS FROM PICKING UP THEIR HANDS. AND AFTER WE PUT IN THE PROGRAM WITH, WITH THE NEW TRUCKS, WE ONLY HAD THREE OF THOSE MM-HMM. . AND SO YOU CAN THEN ASSIGN AND CALCULATE THE INTRINSIC COSTS OF SAVING BESIDES THE HUMAN COSTS THAT YOU SAVED SOMEONE FROM GETTING HURT OF WHAT THAT SAVED TO TOWN IN EXTRA WORKERS' COMP PREMIUM. 'CAUSE YOU HAVE THE NEW TRUCKS THERE. JOHN, I NOTICED THAT IN HERE YOU HAVE THE AM BEST RATINGS. YES. AND, UH, BUT THERE ISN'T ANYTHING THAT'S ON HERE THAT STATES THAT IT'S WITHIN THE, YOU KNOW, THAT THE NEW YORK INSURANCE, UH, SYSTEM IS, IT'S NOT HERE. AND IT WOULD BE GOOD IF YOU COULD INCLUDE THAT. AND, UH, I'M ON PAGE SIX. AND THE OTHER THING IS, CAN YOU EXPLAIN, THAT'S GONNA BE YOUR QUESTION NEXT YEAR. ELLEN . ELLEN, YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE MANTLE NOW ON THE NEW YORK. THAT'S THE QUESTION. NEXT YEAR, UH, I NOTICED SOME, SOME ARE EXCELLENT. THEN WE GO DOWN TO GLOBAL AEROSPACE AS A TO A PLUS EXCELLENCE, A PLUS PLUS. MM-HMM. . SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN THESE? I KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOOD BECAUSE WE, IN THE, YOU KNOW, MANY YEARS AGO WE HAD, WE RAN INTO THE SITUATION OF WHERE INSURANCE COMPANIES HAVE GONE BANKRUPT. YES. AND THEN YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO AT LEAST GET INTO AN INSURANCE FUND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT PROTECTS YOU SOMEWHAT. IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T RECOUP ALL YOUR LOSSES. BUT, UH, UM, SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, THERE'S, THERE'S ABOUT, UH, SEVEN OR EIGHT DIFFERENT RATING BUREAUS MM-HMM. THAT RATE INSURANCE COMPANIES, THE, THE MOST FAMOUS OR THE MOST WIDELY USED. THEY'RE USUALLY, THERE'S USUALLY AM BEST. MM-HMM. MOODY'S MAYBE WOULD BE SECOND. UM, BUT WITH AM BEST, THEY USE A MINUS A A PLUS, UM, AS THEIR RATING BASIS. AND THEN THEY GO ONE STEP BEYOND THAT AND THEY ASSIGN A SIZE FACTOR TO THE CARRIER. SO IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU FOR A CARRIER, IF WE HAVE A CARRIER THAT'S A MINUS SEVEN, AND VERSUS A CARRIER WHO'S A MINUS 12, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA RECOMMEND THE A MINUS 12 CARRIER 'CAUSE THEY'RE BIGGER. MM-HMM. . UM, AND THE THEORY IS, IS THAT IF THEY'RE BIGGER, THEY'D HAVE MORE ASSETS TO PROTECT YOU. SO THE, THE ONE THROUGH 15 AND THE LARGEST INSURANCE COMPANY IN THE WORLD IS A 15. THE ONE THROUGH 15 RATING SYSTEM IS FOR SIZE. AND THEN THE LETTER GRADE IS FOR FINANCIAL STABILITY. WELL, WE CAME UP WITH A GRADING OF A PLUS. A AND A MINUS. YEAH. AND PLUS PLUS. AND I'M NOT SURE, BUT I, YOU KNOW, THEY GO BEYOND. BUT THEY ALSO GO, THEY ALSO GO BELOW THE A LEVEL TOO, BECAUSE YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. OH, THEY DO. I THOUGHT YOU MEANT THAT. OH YEAH. OH NO, I THOUGHT YOU ONLY HAD THOSE THREE. NO, YOU CAN GO TO DE-RATED. DE-RATED. THEY'RE DE-RATED CARRIERS AND THEN THEY END UP GOING BANKRUPT. YEAH. OR, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT WITHIN U SS I AND MOST MAJOR BROKERS DO THAT. UM, WE CANNOT, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SELL OR RECOMMEND ANYTHING LESS THAN A MINUS EIGHT. MM-HMM. . SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE GET A GOOD [01:35:01] QUOTE, WELL, WE DON'T EVEN APPROACH THOSE CARRIERS. BUT IF WE WERE TO APPROACH THEM AND WE GET A GOOD QUOTE FROM A, YOU KNOW, AN A MINUS SIX OR B PLUS FIVE, WE'RE NOT GONNA BRING IT TO YOU. 'CAUSE IT'S MM-HMM. , IT'S A, IT'S A MALPRACTICE ON OUR PART IF SOMETHING HAPPENS. RIGHT. BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU CAN HAVE THESE, THESE RATINGS AND THEY STILL GO. ABSOLUTELY. THEY CAN STILL HAVE GO UNDER, IN 2007 I JUST MENTIONED IN PASSING WAS 2008. A I G WAS AN A PLUS 15, IN THEORY, THE STRONGEST AND BIGGEST INSURANCE COMPANY IN THE WORLD, A PLUS 15 RATED. AND IN A MATTER OF A WEEK, THEY WENT TO A A MINUS, AND THEY WERE ABOUT TO GO TO B WHEN THEY GOT BAILED OUT, THEY GOT BAILED OUT AND THEY HAD GONE TO BE, IT WOULD'VE FLIPPED THE BANKING INDUSTRY ON ITS HEAD. 'CAUSE THEY WERE ONE OF THE LARGEST WRITERS OF MM-HMM. , UH, MORTGAGES AND INSURANCE FOR MORTGAGES IN THE SYSTEM. AND THE INSURANCE, THE BANKS HAD A COVENANT THAT THEY COULDN'T DO BUSINESS WITH LESS THAN ANY LAST PAPER. SO, UM, BUT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. BUT IT WAS ONE DAY AWAY, UH, LITERALLY. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU, JOHN. YEAH. JOHN, CAN YOU CHANGE THE, UH, HEADING ON YOUR SPREADSHEET SO THAT INSTEAD OF IT SAYING CITY, IT SAYS POST OFFICE. I MEAN, EVERY ONE OF THESE PROPERTIES IS IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, BUT, BUT WE DO HAVE MANY, MANY POST OFFICES. YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE ANY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADDRESS THAT'S GREENBURG. THAT'S, UH, BUT IF YOU JUST CHANGE IT TO, FROM CITY TO POST OFFICE AT THE TOP OF YOUR SPREADSHEET UP THERE. YEAH. IT'S GOTTEN SHORTLY BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE POST OFFICE ADDRESSES WITHIN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA. OH, OH, OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YES. SO, UH, SO WHAT, JUST CHANGE CITY TO POST OFFICE. OKAY. YEAH. IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT BRANDING BECAUSE OF SO MANY POST OFFICE ADDRESSES. SO YOUR BOTTOM LINE. SO, UM, THE BOTTOM LINE IS, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE TOPPING AS A MARKETPLACE. I THINK THAT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN, UM, IS IN FOR BETTER PREMIUMS, UH, MOVING FORWARD AND A LOOSENING MARKETPLACE, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY'RE BEING MORE COMPETITORS COMING IN. THAT'S PART OF THE WHOLE, THAT'S PART OF THE MARKET OF A SOFTENING MARKETPLACE. UM, WE'RE NOT THERE YET. YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF APPEAR AT THE TOP, BUT THERE WERE NO DOUBLE DIG DIGIT INCREASES THIS YEAR. LIKE THERE HAVE BEEN THE LAST TWO TO THREE YEARS. RIGHT. UM, AND SO I THINK THINGS ARE STARTING TO PROBE OVER, UM, AND HEAD DOWN, UH, THE OTHER WAY. AND, AND, AND FRANKLY, UM, IT'S ABOUT TIME. UM, HISTORICALLY HARD MARKETS USUALLY LAST FOR THREE YEARS. UM, THIS ONE HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF YEARS. SO IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF A LONGER, UH, DURATION. UH, WHICH HOPEFULLY MEANS THAT WHEN IT STARTS TO ACCELERATE DOWN, UH, IT'LL ACCELERATE FASTER. BECAUSE THAT IS, THAT IS ALSO, WHEN YOU SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I, AND I REALIZE IT'S ONLY PART OF IT, BUT CLIMATE CHANGE INTO WHICH IMPACTS ALONG THESE CATEGORIES TAKES IN BEING INCREASINGLY, UM, A THREAT. YES. SO DOES THAT MITIGATE THAT IT, IT'S A WILD CARD THAT THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY HAS NOT MATCHED THROUGH. YEAH. WHO HAS, YOU KNOW, I I I, I THINK IN THE, FOR HURRICANE IDA AT MY HOUSE, I GOT NINE INCHES OF RAIN AND THREE HOURS. I HAVE NEVER HAD NINE INCHES OF RAIN. THREE HOURS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IN MANY PLACES, THE TOWN INCLUDED HAD SIMILAR HUGE RAINFALLS IN VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. YEAH. WE HAD ABOUT FIVE IN TWO HOURS. YEAH. SO THE POINT IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, SCIENTISTS SAY THAT'S, THAT IS, UH, UH, EARMARK OF CLIMATE CHANGE. THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY HAS NOT FIGURED OUT HOW TO PRICE THAT YET. UM, AND WILL THAT CHANGE, UH, HOW SOFT THE MARKET BECOMES? WELL, IT COULD, IN OTHER WORDS, RATES MAY NOT GET AS LOW AS THEY ONCE WERE. I WAS JUST GIVING YOU A CAVEAT. YEAH, NO, ABSOLUTELY. AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, THE PROPERTY PREMIUM GREENBERG, IT'S BEEN AS LOW AS THE 8,000 IN A SOFT MARKET. UM, AND YOU'RE SEEING HIGH OF 1 38. NOW, THERE WAS [01:40:01] A LARGE LOSS THIS YEAR, UM, THAT'S BEING PAID ON THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT THE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THAT LARGE LOSS MAY HAVE BEEN CLIMATE CHANGE. YEAH. AND, AND I IMAGINE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MITIGATES SOME IN TERMS OF MONEY OR SMALL BUSINESS LOAN. YEAH. WELL, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, UM, A FEW YEARS BACK, UM, THE TOWN HAD INDIVIDUAL FLOOD POLICIES FOR MANY OF THE LOCATIONS, WHICH WAS OF, OF SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE TO THE TOWN. UM, WE, WE WERE ABLE TO GET C N A INSURANCE COMPANY TO OFFER THE TOWN A 10 MILLION FLOOD LIMIT. UM, WHICH ELIMINATED THE NEED FOR, I THINK IT WAS SEVEN OR EIGHT PROPERTIES WHERE THEY HAD INDIVIDUAL FLOOD POLICIES. IN, IN HINDSIGHT, THE FLOOD INSURANCE MARKET, WHICH WAS SUBSIDIZED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, UH, ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAID, WE'RE NOT GONNA SUBSIDIZE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE ANYMORE. AND ANYONE WHO NEEDED AN F I IP POLICY, UM, SAW HUGE INCREASES. UM, PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEAR THE WATER, THEY WENT FROM $2,000 A YEAR TO $12,000 A YEAR. UM, AND, AND SO FLOOD INSURANCE REALLY TOOK OFF. LUCKILY, THE TOWN MISSED THAT 'CAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO GET FLOOD IN A DIFFERENT WAY. BUT I THINK MOVING FORWARD, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IF FLOOD INSURANCE IS ALLOWED TO MAINTAIN ITSELF AS A FREE MARKET RUN, AND WE CONTINUE TO HAVE CLIMATE CHANGE, FLOOD INSURANCE, AND LIVING BY THE WATER, UM, IS GONNA BECOME VERY EXPENSIVE. SO IS CONSENT TO SETTLE ONLY ON COMPREHENSIVE LIABILITY. CONSENT TO SETTLE IS ON COMPREHENSIVE GENERAL LIABILITY POLICY. AND ALL, ALL OF THE POLICIES FOR YOUR LIABILITIES ARE WRITTEN IN ONE CONTRACT. THERE'S ONE POLICY NUMBER. SO YOUR PUBLIC OFFICIALS, UH, HAS CONSENT TO SETTLE YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT LIABILITY HAS CONSENT TO SETTLE THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL LIABILITY, HAS CONSENT TO SETTLE THE PUBLIC OFFICIALS LIABILITY HAS CONSENT TO SETTLE. WELL, IS THERE ANY THAT DOESN'T HAVE IT? UH, THERE, THERE IS NO LIABILITY POLICY THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. OKAY. AND AGAIN, THAT WAS NEGOTIATED IN A FEW YEARS AGO. UM, AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP THAT IN THE POLICIES YEAR OVER YEAR. YEAH. WE, AND THAT'S WORKED IT OUT WELL FOR US. SHOULD REALLY MOVE ON. WE STILL, WHAT'S THAT? WE HAVE LIKE YEAR. OKAY, SO WHAT'S THE, UH, PREMIUM? SO THE TOTAL PREMIUM FOR THE UPCOMING, UH, POLICY YEAR IS 1 MILLION 3 37 4 4 4 1 2 5 0 1 3. THAT'S CORRECT. NOW, BUT, AND THE TPA, A THAT'S NOT INCLUDING THE TPA A RIGHT. IT'S NOT INCLUDING THE TPA. A THE TPA IS A SEPARATE FORM, BUT THAT'S APPLE TO APPLE. RIGHT. APPLE TO APPLE IS 2 5, 5 2, 3 7. AND AGAIN, THAT, THAT IS A RAW NUMBER, IS A 7% DIFFERENCE. UH, BUT WHEN YOU FACTOR IN THE, UH, AUTO FLEET CHANGE, IT BECOMES, UH, JUST ABOUT 4.8%. I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE WORSE. OKAY. MM-HMM. . SO, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IT WAS A PLEASURE, YOUR HONOR. THANK YOU, HONOR. NOW WE HAVE, UM, THE AGENDA REVIEW. OR ACTUALLY, UM, WE HAVE A QUESTION SINCE, UH, RICH IS HERE. UM, AND I DON'T WANT TO KEEP HIM ALL ALL NIGHT. SHOULD WE JUST, UH, HEAR RICH, UH, WHAT'S HIS, WHAT'S HE REFERRING? WELL, DO WE HAVE ANY, DO WE HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA? WELL, I THINK HE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT HIS ON THE AGENDA. DID YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA? RICH? WE JUST HAVE THE ONE ITEM. WATER DEPARTMENT. PRETTY SIMPLE. YEAH. DON'T SPEAK UNTIL YOU GET UP HERE. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. SO DURING, UH, COFFEE STORM IDA, THE WATER DEPARTMENT WAS COMPLETELY UNDER WATER IN THE FIRST FLOOR. AND THE SEWER CAMERA, THEY USED TO EXAMINE THE SEWER LINES ON A CONSTANT BASIS, WAS SUBMERGED IN THE WATER AND WAS [01:45:01] DESTROYED. AT LEAST THE CONTROL BOX OF IT WAS, WHICH IS A $6,000 ITEM. TOTAL UNIT IS SEVEN. THE MOTOR SHOP IS LOOKING TO PURCHASE THIS NOW. AND OF COURSE THIS IS GONNA BE ONE OF THE ITEMS WE PUT INTO THE FEMA MM-HMM. . SO IT'S GONNA, WE'RE GONNA GET THE MONEY BACK SOME POINT ANYWAY. THE OTHER THING I JUST WANTED TO MENTION IS, UM, I, UM, I DON'T SEE IT. SOME OF THE, WE HAVE SOME, IS IT ON THE AGENDA? IT'S NOT ON HERE. I DON'T SEE IT. IT'S NOT, I DON'T SEE IT. I DON'T SEE IT. UNDER, WAS UNDER WHAT? NO, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ON THIS, IT'S ON THE AGENDA. IT'S NOT ON THIS AGENDA. IT'S NOT ON THE, IT'S ON TODAY. NINTH. OH, IT'S, IT'S ON ITEM. IT'S NOT ON THE TOWN. BUR NOT ON THE YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I SAW. IT'S ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, BUT IT'S NOT HERE. OH. BUT IT'S NOT ON, IT'S NOT ON THE TOWN BOARD AGENDA. OH, OKAY. FOR TOMORROW NIGHT. THAT'S, NO, IT'S A, IT'S A BUDGETARY THING HERE. HE'S ADDRESSING THE BUDGET. I THINK HE ASKED ANDY TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE BOARD. OKAY. SO ANDY WROTE THAT EMAIL TO YOU GUYS. OKAY. AND RATHER THAN ANDY, YOU KNOW, HANG ON. I SAID I WAS. NO, THE REASON I ASKED THE QUESTION IS, UM, JUDITH NEEDS TO KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA FOR TOMORROW, AND THAT IF WE HAVE ANY THAT WE CAN GIVE THEM TO HER. OR DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE BIDS ON WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, JILL? AND HE GOT, HE PRICED IT OUT. IT'S NOT THAT HE DIDN'T, HE DID ALL HIS HOMEWORK. IT'S JUST BECAUSE IT WAS OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT. ALRIGHT. I THINK PETE WANTED TO COME. OH, OKAY. IT'S ONE OF THOSE. OKAY. IS PETE STILL STICKING TO THAT 2000? I DON'T KNOW. I THINK HE IS. WELL, I THINK HE, IT'S ALL RIGHT. WE COULD DEAL WITH IT. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED MEETING WITH FEMA A FEW WEEKS BACK ABOUT THE STORM. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. . WE'RE STILL OUT THERE. SOME. OKAY. WHERE ARE YOU IN YOUR, SORRY. OKAY. WHERE ARE YOU IN YOUR PAPERWORK IN TERMS OF APPLYING TO FEMA AND INSURANCE AND ALL THAT? WE HAD A SECOND, UH, MEETING TODAY. MM-HMM. VIA THE PHONE. THEY DON'T DO ZOOM. THEY DO THESE VOICE CALLS. MM-HMM. . SO WE MET TODAY. MOST OF THE PAPERWORK IS IN, WE GOTTA GET A LOT OF INFORMATION. MM-HMM. , ESPECIALLY WITH SALARIES AND, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, FORCED LABOR AND ALL THAT. MM-HMM. . SO IT'S GONNA BE A PROCESS. WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THE LAST STORM. MM-HMM. . SO. OKAY. AND HOW MANY STAFF MEMBERS ARE DEDICATED TO THIS IN OUR OFFICE? ONE FOR THE FEMA? FOR THE FEMA REIMBURSEMENT? JUST ONE FOR BOTH. FOR BOTH INCIDENTS. YES. CHELSEA. YEAH. I'M JUST SORT OF WONDERING IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, LIKE STREAMLINE THE PROCESS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, REPLACING PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN, YOU KNOW, BUDGETED AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT A LITTLE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S TAKING US A, A REALLY LONG TIME WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH CIVIL SERVICE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, UH, DO THE, YOU KNOW, TO GET THE HIRINGS, YOU KNOW, APPROVED AND WE'RE, WE ARE DOWN SOME EMPLOYEES THROUGH RETIREMENTS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MEDICAL ISSUES. AND I JUST, YEAH. IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN AGENDA REVIEW THOUGH, PAUL, AND IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT RICH IS TALKING. RIGHT. SO I THINK THAT SOUNDS REASONABLE. YEAH. WE'RE GONNA, ULTIMATELY, WE'LL GET THE MONEY BACK. IT'S JUST GONNA TAKE TIME. MM-HMM. . SO DO YOU ANTICIPATE HAVING A RESOLUTION FOR MONDAY'S MEETING? YEAH, I'LL MAKE SURE WE GET THAT. OKAY. OKAY. MAKE SURE YOU GET NO PROBLEM, GUYS. THANKS, RICH. GOOD NIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, RICH. I'VE KEPT LOOKING FOR THIS PW AND I, DID YOU ASK SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED, MAYBE I MISSED IT. UH, HOW SHOULD WE VOTE? GOES ONE WAY, RIGHT? SO GARRETT, UH, I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT THE, UM, REQUESTED AMENDMENT TO CD ONE. UH, THE BLACK LIVES MATTERS. UH, NOT, IT'S NOT ON, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. RIGHT. AND I WAS JUST WONDERING WHY, UM, IT'S ON THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AGENDA. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AGENDA? MM-HMM. . IT'S ON THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AGENDA. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. SO GARRETT. D E R R P. ALRIGHT. SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHY IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA FOR TOMORROW NIGHT. I SPOKE WITH GARRETT, PAUL AND TIM, UM, IN, UH, FOLLOWING UP ON THIS FOR, FOR OUR RESIDENT CLIFF ABRAMS. UM, AND THEY ALL AGREED THAT AN AMENDMENT COULD BE MADE TO THAT RESOLUTION. AND SO JUST WONDERING WHY IT'S NOT ON HERE. WELL, I PERSONALLY AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT BECAUSE THE IDEA, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE IDEA WAS SOLELY CAME FROM CLIFF. YOU KNOW, I, I RECALL HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH ANDRE AND TERRANCE AND NUMEROUS OTHER PEOPLE, UH, ABOUT PAINTING A MURAL ON THE STREET, UH, ABOUT HOW THE MURAL ENDED UP GETTING PAINTED UNDER THE BRIDGE. AND, YOU KNOW, CLIFF WASN'T A PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS. SO WHILE HE'S A MAJOR MOTIVATING [01:50:01] FORCE AND A VALUED MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE AND THE COMMUNITY, I DON'T THINK IT'S ACCURATE TO SAY THAT HE WAS THE GENESIS, IN FACT, THE BIRTH OF THE IDEA. WELL, DID ANYBODY ELSE BRING THE PROJECT TO THE BOARD OTHER THAN CLIFF? NO, CLIFF ABRAMS WAS THE ONE THAT BROUGHT THE PROJECT IDEA TO THE BOARD, WHICH, WHICH PROJECT RALLIED FOR IT. I, NO ONE ELSE BROUGHT THAT PROJECT IDEAS, WHICH PROJECT? MY, MY, MY, MY, THE BLACK LIVES MATTER PROJECT OF FRANCIS. MY ONLY POINT TO BE MADE HERE IS THAT, UM, A FEW WEEKS AGO, RESIDENT CLIFF ABRAMS, UH, WHO ORIGINALLY BROUGHT THE IDEA OF DOING A BLACK LIVES MATTERS, UM, UH, COMMUNITY PROJECT. HE WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO BROUGHT THAT PROJECT TO THE BOARD. AND THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS PASSED, UM, I JUST DON'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE IT WAS CD ONE, UH, IT WAS 20, IT WAS BACK, WAS IT NOVEMBER, 2020 WHEN THE, OKAY. UH, IT, IT MADE REFERENCE TO A COMMITTEE THAT THE TOWN BOARD HAD APPOINTED. HOWEVER, IT DID NOT GIVE CREDIT TO THE RESIDENT CLIFF ABRAMS FOR ORIGINATING THE IDEA AND BRINGING IT TO THE TOWN BOARD. UM, AND AS WE ALL KNOW, RESOLUTIONS BECOME PART OF THE PERMANENT RECORD OF THE TOWN. AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, UH, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT AFRICAN AMERICAN, THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY, UH, AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE OFTEN NOT GIVEN THE CREDIT FOR, UH, THEIR PART, THEIR ROLE IN CERTAIN, UH, AREAS OF HISTORY, BECAUSE THEIR NAMES HAVE BEEN LEFT OUT AND OTHER PEOPLE HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE CREDIT. I'M WONDERING MAYBE AS SORT OF LIKE A COMPROMISE, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO SAY, AMEND THE RESOLUTION AND INCLUDE MEMBER, ALL THE PE THE NAMES OF PE EVERYONE WHO WAS SORT OF INVOLVED? BECAUSE, BECAUSE I SORT OF FEEL THAT WE ALL KNOW THAT I REMEMBER CLIFF COMING TO THE MEETING AND MM-HMM. , YOU KNOW, BRINGING IT UP. BUT IT, THE WHOLE BRINGING WHAT, LEMME SAY WHAT BRING UP YEAH. YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S TOO MANY AMBIGUITIES HERE. BRINGING WHAT UP? HE BROUGHT UP THAT HE WANTED TO PAINT BLACK LIVES MATTER ON MANHATTAN AVENUE ON THE STREET. YEAH. HE WANTED A STREET MURAL. YEAH. BUT RIGHT. BUT ALL I'M SAYING, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEFORE US NOW, BUT ALL I'M SUGGEST ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT, AND HE DID A GREAT JOB PUSHING THAT. I'M SAYING. I'M SAYING, BUT THERE WASN'T THE SUPPORT OF THE BOARD, I'M SAYING IS THAT, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THROUGH THE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT EVOLVED. SO THE THING IS, CLIFF BROUGHT UP A CONCEPT THAT BASICALLY THEN EVOLVED AND SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WITH COMMUNITY INPUT THAT WAS BETTER. MM-HMM. . SO MY FEELING IS THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO WERE INVOLVED. FOR, FOR THEM HAVING THEIR NAME ON A RESOLUTION COULD MEAN A LOT. YOU KNOW, THEY WANT BE PROUD OF IT. THEY WANT TO FEEL THAT, UH, THEY'RE BEING REMEMBERED. THEY WANT TO GET THE RECOGNITION ON. SO I SORT OF FEEL, DOES IT REALLY HURT ANYBODY? IF WE WOULD RECOGNIZE EVERYONE? I ALSO FEEL FOR SOMETHING AS SIGNIFICANT AS THIS MURAL, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WORKED REALLY HARD ON. IF WE, WHEN WE COMPLETE THE MURAL, EVEN PUT THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE COMMITTEE ON IT, THEN WHEN, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS FROM NOW OR 30 YEARS FROM NOW, THEY'LL SHOW IT TO THEIR FAMILY AND FRIENDS. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'LL ALWAYS BE PROUD OF. IT'S LIKE AN OWNERSHIP. SO, YOU KNOW, SO I SORT OF FEEL THAT IT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, FOR US, IT DOESN'T MEAN MUCH FOR THEM. IT MEANS THE WORLD. AND I THINK THAT PEOPLE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, CLIFF, YOU KNOW, I'VE KNOWN CLIFF, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR, SINCE I'VE BEEN IN OFFICE, AND CLIFF HAS OVERCOME A LOT OF OBSTACLES. HE'S BECOME A, A COMMUNITY LEADER. UM, HE'S WORKING REALLY, REALLY HARD TO IMPROVE THE LIVES OF A LOT, TO IMPROVE THE LIVES OF A LOT OF PEOPLE. UM, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS TOWN SHOULD BE PROUD OF ALL THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT CLIFF HAS HAS, YOU KNOW, HAS MADE. AND YOU KNOW, I, I, YOU KNOW, NOW WHEN YOU TALK TO PEOPLE AND YOU SAY, WHO'S INVOLVED IN, IN, IN THE MANHATTAN AVENUE CORRIDOR, WHO'S A COMMUNITY LEADER, HIS NAME NOW ALWAYS COMES OFF. SO IS THERE A MOTION? ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION THOUGH? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PUT ALL THE NAMES. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND FOR THE MOTION? WAIT, WAIT. BEFORE, BEFORE VOTING SECOND. FOR THE MOTION. BEFORE SECOND. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT VOTING FOR. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, 'CAUSE I BROUGHT THIS UP, AND I'M NOT GOING TO BE SHUT DOWN BEFORE I FINISH MY POINT. NO, IT'S [01:55:01] NOT YOUR MEETING. I'M NOT GONNA BE SHUT DOWN. EXCUSE ME. IT'S NOT YOUR MEETING. THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, KEN, IT MAY NOT BE MY MEETING, BUT I'M STILL AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. MM-HMM. IN THIS TOWN. YES, THAT'S TRUE. OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. AND LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT GONNA BE SHUT DOWN UNTIL I FINISH MY POINT. KEEP, KEEP I'M, THAT'S GREAT. NOW, THE IDEA FOR THE BLACK LIVES MATTERS PROJECT WAS BROUGHT TO THE BOARD BY CLIFFTON EARL ABRAMS. IT WAS NOT BROUGHT TO THE BOARD BY ANYBODY ELSE. OTHER PEOPLE MAY HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IT, THEY MAY HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT. BUT HE WAS THE ONE WHO CAME TO THE BOARD WITH A PROJECT PROPOSAL. GRANTED, IT WAS INITIALLY TO WRITE THE, THE TERM BLACK LIVES MATTERS ON A STREET. AND HE RECOMME AND HE ASKED FOR HILLSIDE AVENUE AND, AND, AND TARRYTOWN ROAD AND OTHER ROADS, BUT THEY WERE ALL STATE ROADS. SO GARRETT TOOK THE IDEA, AND NOT ONE MEMBER ON THIS BOARD EXCEPT PAUL SUPPORTED THE IDEA. THEN GARRETT TOOK THE IDEA AND HE SAID, WELL, GEE, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN'T MAKE THIS WORK SOMEWHERE ALONG MANHATTAN AVENUE, NOT RIDING ALONG MANHATTAN AVENUE, BUT LET'S SEE IF WE CAN MAKE, GARRETT WAS THE ONE WHO TOOK THE IDEA AND SAID, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN DO THIS AS A MURAL UNDER THE OVERPASS, PAINTING THE WALLS ON THE OVERPASS. AND THEN HE REACHED OUT TO DEPARTMENT, UH, TO NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION TO ASK IF THIS COULD BE, UM, UH, MANIFEST IF THIS WAS POSSIBLE. AND HE WAS TOLD YES, NOBODY ELSE BROUGHT THIS IDEA FORWARD. CLIFF BROUGHT IT FORWARD. GARRETT TOOK IT AND EX AND, AND, AND EXPLORED HOW IT COULD WORK. NOW, A RESOLUTION WAS VOTED ON BY THE BOARD BACK IN NOVEMBER OF 2020, STATING THAT THE TOWN BOARD HAD CREATED A COMMITTEE. WELL, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT SETTLED. IT SAID, YOU KNOW, GAVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND AND THEN, UH, THAT THE TOWN HAD CREATED A COMMITTEE AND LISTED THE NAMES OF PEOPLE INITIALLY ON THIS COMMITTEE. BUT IT DOES NOT SAY, AND IT SHOULD RIGHTFULLY SAY THAT THE BLACK LIVES MATTERS COMMUNITY MURAL PROJECT INITIATED BY OR ORIGINATED BY TOWN RESIDENT COMMUNITY, UH, LEADER, COMMUNITY ACTIVIST, CLIFTON ABRAMS. THIS IS THE NOVEMBER, 2020 RESOLUTION THAT YOU'RE ASKING YES. TO BE AMENDED. I ACTUALLY, AND THE WAY THAT I GOT INVOLVED WAS THAT A REQUEST WENT OUT TO, TO PAUL, AND I'M NOT SURE WHO ELSE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AS WELL. AND I WAS CC'D ON IT. AND THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, CAN A RESOLUTION BE AMENDED? AND THE, THE AN, THE NO ONE PROVIDED AN ANSWER. I THINK, I THINK BOARD MEMBERS WERE INCLUDED ON THAT EMAIL. AND SO, AS THE TOWN CLERK AND KNOWING THAT RESOLUTIONS CAN BE AMENDED, I REACHED OUT TO GARRETT, TO TIM, TO PAUL. I SAID, YOU KNOW, CAN WE JUST MAKE THIS HAPPEN? AND THEY ALL AGREED THAT IT WAS NOT AN ISSUE, WAS NOT A PROBLEM TO AMEND THE RESOLUTION TO REFLECT CLIFTON AS THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROJECT. THIS IS HISTORY AND RESOLUTIONS, DOCUMENT HISTORY. AND THEREFORE THE RESOLUTION SHOULD REFLECT THE FACT THIS IS ABOUT INTEGRITY AND IT IS ABOUT FAIRNESS. AND IT SHOULD BE ABOUT RECOGNIZING AND MEMORIALIZING THE TRUTH. SO WHAT HAS HAPPENED OVER TIME? THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT CLIFF CAME TO THE BOARD AND ASKED REPEATEDLY TO PAINT BLACK LIVES MATTER ON MANHATTAN AVENUE. AND HE DIDN'T HAVE THE VOTES. AS A MATTER OF FACT, HE KEPT SAYING HE CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE TWO AFRICAN AMERICANS ON THE BOARD, AND PAUL SUPPORTS IT, AND YET IT'S NOT GETTING DONE. AND THERE, THERE WAS A REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE, AND WE HEAR IT NOW, IS WHY DO YOU REALLY HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE ON [02:00:01] MANHATTAN AVENUE THAT BLACK LIVES MATTER? YOU NEED TO SPREAD THE WORD. AND BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SUPPORT PAINTING IT ON THE ROADWAY. AND ONE OF THE REASONS WAS BECAUSE THE STATE WOULDN'T ALLOW IT ON A STATE ROADWAY BECAUSE THEY WOULD CAUSE, UM, UH, LINE CONFUSION, POTENTIAL LIABILITY AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING. SO SOME STATE ADJUSTED, OKAY, SO YOU CAN'T PUT IT ON A STATE ROAD, PUT IT ON A TOWN ROAD. WELL, THAT DOESN'T GET THE LIABILITY TO BE ANY LESS. AND SO, AS AN ALTERNATIVE, THOSE OF US ON THE BOARD, UH, DECIDED LET'S FORM A COMMITTEE, BLACK LIVES MATTER COMMITTEE THAT CAN CHAIRS THAT HAS MET CONT CONSISTENTLY EVERY TWO WEEKS OR SO. MM-HMM. VERY CONSISTENTLY TO LOOK INTO ALTERNATIVES. AND WE CAME UP WITH, AS A GROUP, AS A GROUP, UM, THREE ALTERNATIVES. AND INSTEAD OF DOING ALTERNATIVES, WE DECIDED, AND IT WAS ACTUALLY KEN AND I SAID, WELL, WE COULD DO MORE. RIGHT? IT'S THE TOWN, UM, WHERE WE'RE GONNA DO BANNERS AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THE ENTRANCEWAYS. AND YES, WE WOULD, UM, AT THAT POINT, AND I REMEMBER IT AS WELL, GARRETT GOING OUT AND I THINK TERRENCE MIGHT HAVE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT AS WELL, REGARDING, HEY, THERE'S A PLACE UNDERNEATH THE BRIDGE. AND SO THAT'S WHAT GAVE LIFE TO THE WALL MURAL. BUT WHAT SEEMS TO BE HAPPENING IS THAT, UH, THERE'S A, LET'S FORGET WHAT THE ACTUAL INITIAL MURAL WAS, WHICH WAS A STREET MURAL. UH, LET'S SAY THAT ONE PERSON WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THIS, INCLUDING THE WALL MURAL. AND THAT REALLY CAME OUT OF COMMITTEE WORK. YOU KNOW, LET'S NOT UNDER ESTIMATE THE VALUE OF TEAMWORK. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S GETTING LOST HERE. NOW THERE'S ADDITIONAL PUBLICATIONS COMING OUT AND UM, I SAW ONE THAT WAS SPEAKING ABOUT, UH, IT'S A FLYER THAT'S GOING OUT, AND IT'S ALL ABOUT BASICALLY CLIFF. AND AT THE VERY BOTTOM IT SAYS, THE TOWN SUPPORTS THE PROJECT. WELL, THE TOWN DOES A LOT MORE THAN SUPPORT THE PROJECT. THIS TOWN IS THE BACKBONE OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN PUTTING TOWN EMPLOYEES TO WORK ON THIS, YOU KNOW, , EVERY TWO WEEKS WE MEET TO DO PROGRESS, PROGRESS UPDATES. AND SO MY MY CONCERN IS THAT BY MINIMIZING THE ROLE OF THE TOWN, THE TOWN BOARD, TOWN BOARD MEMBERS IN ANY OF THESE THINGS GIVES FUEL TO PEOPLE WHO COME OUT TO THE MEETINGS AND SAY, TOWN BOARD, YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING FOR BLACK LIVES MATTER. 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HEAR THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. INSTEAD, THEY HEAR THAT, UM, UH, AN INDIVIDUAL, AND LISTEN, HE CERTAINLY, HE CERTAINLY PUSHED US, UH, TO DO SOMETHING ON THIS MATTER. UH, BUT THE, THE BROAD SCOPE OF WHAT THIS HAS BECOME WAS BASED ON, WAS BASED ON TEAMWORK. DON'T EVERYBODY, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING THAT THINK WE SHOULD, I SHOULD DO. THAT SAID, I'M SU NOTHING THAT I HAVE SAID, I WASN'T DONE YET. DEVI THE ROLE. I WASN'T DONE YET OF BOARD MEMBERS. I WASN'T DONE YET. NO, BUT YOU, I WASN'T DONE YET. DISTORTING I'M NOT DONE WAS SAID, YES YOU ARE. BUT NOW, NOW I AGREE WITH KEN. YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO DECIDE AND YOU HAVE TO LEARN THAT THIS IS A TOWN BOARD MEETING. AND WHEN WE'RE SPEAKING AND YOU CHOOSE TO INTERRUPT BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH US, THAT'S JUST NOT APPROPRIATE. FRANCIS, YOU MAY NOT CONDESCEND TO ME. I AM ONLY MAKING A CORRECTION. WHAT IS THE CORRECTION? THE, THE CORRECTION? IS THAT WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT'S SUGGESTED HERE ABOUT PUTTING, AMENDING A RESOLUTION TO REFLECT THE FACT? DO YOU HAVE THE RESOLUTION FACT THAT CLIFF ABRAMS WAS THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROJECT DOES NOT IN ANY WAY MINIMIZE THE ROLE OF THE TOWN BOARD. IT ONLY REFLECTS THE TRUTH. NOW IF YOU FEEL THAT REFLECTING THE TRUTH MINIMIZES YOUR ROLE, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S, THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE. LEMME SAY, IF EVERYBODY, BASICALLY, IF NOBODY HAS A PROBLEM, IF WE DID LIKE A CHRONOLOGY AND WE RECOGNIZE, YOU KNOW, GARRETT DID, UH, WE RECOGNIZE, UM, THE KEN, WE RECOGNIZE THAT, UH, EVERYONE, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'VE BEEN A MEMBER. EVERYONE, I MISSED THE MEETING WHO WERE IN INVOLVED, EVERYONE GETS RECOGNIZED AND WE HAVE LIKE A, HIS HISTORICAL CHRONOLOGY AND WE GIVE, YOU KNOW, ACKNOWLEDGEMENT TO CLIFF'S ROLE. WE GIVE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT TO EVERYBODY WHO HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT. WE DO A RESOLUTION ON THAT, THEN EVERYBODY WILL BE HAPPY. AND, [02:05:01] UM, AND THEN IN TERMS OF HISTORY, UH, THERE'LL BE A HISTORY OF OF, OF THIS WHOLE, UM, EFFORT. AND I, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY REALLY WOULD DISAGREE, WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT. THEN WE COULD DO SOME SORT OF, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE PLAQUE WHEN THE MURAL'S ON AND WE COULD PUT ALL THE, ALL THE, THE KEY PLAYERS, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW NAME ON YOU, YOUR NAME ON IT. SO IF GARRETT, IF WE DON'T DOUBLE YOUR SALARY, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR NAME ON A MURAL. UH, SO IT'S LIKE, BUT NO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, BUT NO, BUT I'M SAYING, BUT YOU KNOW, MY, MY FEELING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING SOMETHING REALLY SPECTACULAR AND JUST RECOGNIZE THEM AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ON TO ANOTHER SUBJECT IF EVERYBODY AGREES TO THAT WORK ON THE LANGUAGE OF THAT. YEAH, I DON'T, WE, WE'LL, WE WORK AS A TEAM AND THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. IT'S JUST THAT IT SEEMS LIKE ALL LITERATURE NOW, YOU KNOW, HAS TO FOCUS ON ONE PERSON. AND I, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH RECOGNIZING SOMEONE, BUT WHEN YOU MINIMIZE THE ROLE THAT THE EXTENSIVE WORK AND INVOLVEMENT THAT THE TOWN, TOWN BOARD MEMBERS AND TOWN STAFF HAS HAD ON THIS BY SAYING THE TOWN SUPPORTS WHAT THEY'RE DOING, WE'RE DOING A LOT MORE THAN SUPPORTING WHAT THEY'RE DOING. I MEANING HIM, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE ARE THE DRIVING FORCE OF GETTING STAFF AND NEW YORK STATE AND GETTING GRANTS AND, YOU KNOW, MAKING THIS ALL HAPPEN, WHICH IS WHAT IT TAKES. IT TAKES A TEAM. AND THAT WHOLE IDEA OF TEAMWORK DID THIS, A COMMITTEE DID THIS, RIGHT? THERE'S NO MENTION OF THE BLACK LIVES MATTER COMMITTEE IN THE THING THAT I SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT OUT. SO NO ONE IS DISPUTING THE FACT THAT A COMMITTEE IS DOING A LOT OF HARD WORK ON THIS. THE POINT IS JUST THAT GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE. CLIFF ABRAMS, A RESIDENT OF THE LIFELONG RESIDENT OF THIS COMMUNITY, OF THE TOWN OF GREENBERG, INITIATED THE IDEA, BROUGHT IT FORWARD TO THE BOARD. THERE'S NO HARM IN MENTIONING THAT. IT DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM, I THINK, I THINK THE WORK THAT BOARD MEMBERS HAVE DONE. YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK THAT PAUL CAME UP WITH AN IDEA. YEAH. AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA, FRANCIS. WE ALL AGREE, SUGGESTION THAT IT BE ALL INCLUSIVE GOOD. AND IT DOESN'T TAKE ANY AWAY FROM, AWAY FROM. SO I THINK, THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO BELABOR IT ANYMORE UP WITH . I AGREE WITH YOU. COME UP WITH A LANGUAGE THAT THAT GIVES THE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE. I AGREE WITH YOU. AND MENTIONING CLIFF'S NAME. ALSO, THE OTHER THING THAT I JUST WANTED TO SHARE, UH, UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE AGENDA IS THAT THERE IS ON, UH, THE SECOND PAGE IN MEMORY OF, UH, UH, A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS. AND THE FIRST STATEMENT IN MEMORY OF OSCAR JONES, LONG TIME EMPLOYEE WHO WAS CURRENTLY, WHO WAS CURRENTLY STILL WORKING IN THE TOWN BUILDING DEPARTMENT. UM, I, I THINK THAT, UH, I'D LIKE JUST LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT, UM, GIVEN HIS EXPERIENCE, GIVEN OSCAR'S EXPERIENCE, EXPERTISE, DEDICATION TO HIS JOB, COMMUNITY SERVICE COLLEGIALITY, JUST TO NAME A FEW MEMORABLE ATTRIBUTES, WARRANT A LITTLE MORE BE SAID. THAT WARRANT SAID A LITTLE MORE BE SAID ABOUT HIM. AND SO I JUST CAME UP WITH A TRIBUTE THAT I'M SHARING WITH THE BOARD, MAYBE THE WHOLE TRIBUTE. IT'S A GREAT IDEA. IT'S A GREAT IDEA. VERY GOOD. IT'S A GREAT IDEA. WOULD JUST ASK THAT THIS TRIBUTE, UH, A, A LONGER TRIBUTE GIVEN TO OSCAR, WE'LL PUT TO THANK YOU. YEAH. IT'S A BIT A GOOD, IT'S GREAT. YEAH, IT'S GREAT. EXCELLENT. PUT IT ON ON AGENDA. SHARE IT WITH EVERYBODY. GO ON THE AGENDA. YEAH. I MEAN, THERE IS AN ISSUE WHEN YOU PUT SOMETHING EXTENSIVE AND THEN YOU HAVE TWO MORE PEOPLE AFTER THAT AND THEY HAVE ONE LINE. UM, THAT'S WHY WE WOULD, WE'VE BEEN MOVING TOWARDS READING THESE KIND OF THINGS AT THE MEETING. UH, MAYBE WE COULD HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR ONE MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR A DEDICATED TOWN EMPLOYEE, AND THEN MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR OTHERS. BECAUSE OSCAR, UM, WAS SPECIAL TO THE TOWN. HE WAS, BECAUSE HE BASICALLY, THANK YOU, WORKED FOR US. SO WE COULD HAVE TWO SEPARATE, UH, MOMENTS OF, UH, HE'D CERTAINLY WAS SILENCE IS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THIS WAY HE'S GETTING A LITTLE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, RECOGNITION. WELL, WE'RE GONNA SHOW SOME PICTURES OF, UH, OF OSCAR. WE'RE ALL PLANNING TO DO THINGS LIKE THAT. AND, UH, AND HIS PRESENCE, HIS LONGEVITY HERE CERTAINLY WARRANTS, UM, UH, MUCH MORE OF A STATEMENT THAN A LONG TIME [02:10:01] EMPLOYEE WHO WAS CURRENTLY STILL WORKING IN THE TOWN BUILDING DEPARTMENT. SO THIS IS WHAT'S GONNA BE READ TOMORROW, RIGHT? THIS IS WHAT, WELL, I'M SUGGESTING THAT THE AGENDA, THAT IT ALSO GO ON THE AGENDA. I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T DISMISS THE, THE POSSIBILITY OF ADDING MORE ABOUT THE OTHER INDIVIDUALS. ALL RIGHT. WE ALSO HAVE TO PUT THE SIGNING CEREMONY ON HERE, RIGHT PAUL? WE UNDER PRESENTATIONS, UNDER PRESENTATION, WE DON'T WITH THE NAACP. RIGHT. SIGNING ON THE RESOLUTION'S NOT HERE. RIGHT. LET YOU GO QUICK. OKAY. THEN WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS. , FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT IT'S, YEAH. WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE A SPECIAL RESOLUTION, HUH? WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE A SPECIAL RESOLUTION BECAUSE IS THAT GONNA BE PHYSICALLY SIGNED? EXPLANATION FORM? IS THAT, HOW IS THAT GONNA UH, NO, THEY WANTED SIGNED RESOLUTION. RESOLUTION. RESOLUTION. I'LL, I'LL WORK ON SOMETHING. OKAY. OUR FIRST EVER. WHAT SIGN, SHANNON, I THINK YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE FLASHING BEACON PERHAPS ON CD ONE, RIGHT? THE R F B, YOU HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA. YES. BA BASICALLY COULD YOU SUMMARIZE WHAT WE'RE APPROVING? SURE. CD ONE IS A RESOLUTION. UH, YOU BACK UP AS PART OF THE, UH, HILLSIDE AVENUE SIDEWALK PROJECT, WHICH IS, UH, ON PACE TO BE CONSTRUCTED IN THE SUMMER OF 2022. CAN'T WAIT. AN EXCELLENT PROJECT. UH, EXCELLENT. FROM, SO JUST TO RECAP, SIDEWALK FROM ESSENTIALLY WHERE, UH, THE SIDEWALK TOWN HALL TERMINATES NORTH TO NORTH ROAD AND AT THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTH ROAD AND BROWN CRESCENT, THERE IS PLANNED TO BE WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE RECTANGULAR RAPID FLASHING BEACON. WE HAVE ONE ON OLD TERRYTOWN ROAD, MANHATTAN AVENUE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY MEASURE, UH, SOLAR POWERED ACTIVATED BY A BUTTON LIGHTS UP. SO THAT GIVES VISIBILITY TO THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN. THERE IS A R R F B PROPOSED AT THAT LOCATION. IT'S A STATE ROAD. NEW YORK STATE MANDATES THAT THE, UH, TOWN WORK THAT INTO THE PROJECT. AND THIS IS A RESOLUTION STATING THAT WE WILL DO SUCH AS WELL AS, UH, CARRY OUT ONGOING MAINTENANCE FOR THE DURATION OF THE LIFECYCLE OF THAT, THAT PRODUCT, WHICH I BELIEVE IS 25 YEARS. UM, SO THIS, THIS IS A RESOLUTION THAT THE STATE INDICATED WE, WE, UH, NEED TO PASS FOR THE PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD. AND IT'S A GOOD THING. IT'S A, IT'S A, A NICE, UH, ADDITION TO THE PROJECT IN ADDITION TO THE SIDEWALK. THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S ALL I NEEDED. I JUST LOOKED AT THAT RESOLUTION FROM CD ONE AND CLIFF ABRA. CLIFF ABRAMS' NAME IS THE FIRST NAME ON THE LIST OF PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATED. OKAY. DOES MAINTENANCE REPAIR AND ENERGIZING INCLUDE REPLACEMENT? REPLACEMENT WILL OCCUR IF THE, THE DEVICE IS ESSENTIALLY BRAKES, SO IT ALWAYS HAS TO BE OPERATIONAL. OKAY. SO, UH, ESSENTIALLY IT HAS TO BE, HAVE TO MAINTAIN AN OPERATING RATION OF, UH, THE TERM, I SUPPOSE IN 25 YEARS. WE'LL REVISIT THAT IF THERE'S BETTER TECHNOLOGY OR SOMETHING COMES UP IN THE INTERIM. UM, LET ME JUST SEE WHERE THAT 25 YEARS. BUT I DID REACH OUT TO, UH, MITCH VAUGHN AND, AND, AND, UH, SERGEANT REON AND ASKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW THE RFPS ARE DOING IN TOWN PRESENTLY. THEY SAID THEY'RE, THEY'RE GREAT, NO MAINTENANCE AND, UH, THERE'S BEEN NO ISSUES. UM, AND THAT STATEMENT BACK TO, I BELIEVE AN R R F B IS EFFECT SINCE 2015. ALRIGHT. THEY WORK WELL ON THE TYPES OF ROADS THAT THEY WORK WELL ON. RIGHT. AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM. MM-HMM. . SO WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HOOK AND THE SPRAYING ON CENTRAL AVENUE. 'CAUSE AN R F R F P WOULDN'T, UM, WOULDN'T, UH, WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE THERE. OKAY. I HAVE NOTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA. MOTION FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION. I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. UH, THANK YOU. THANKS, DARREN. PERSONAL, PARTICULAR PEOPLE? I THINK, UH, ROBERTA IS EXPECTED TO, UH, COME BACK. SHE STEPPED DOWNSTAIRS. HE HAD OKAY. AND WE, AND WE PURPOSELY PUT HIS NAME FIRST THERE. THAT'S GOOD. I SAW HIS NAME. SO YOU [02:15:01] MADE A MOTION. SECOND. ALL A FAVOR. AYE. AYE. AND WE'RE WITHOUT COMING BACK. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.