* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. OH, OKAY. NO [00:00:01] . GOOD EVENING, [ FINAL TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, January 5, 2022 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ] LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. UH, FIRST OF ALL, HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY, AND WELCOME TO OUR FIRST PLANNING BOARD MEETING OF 2022, JANUARY 5TH. WE'RE GONNA START WITH A WORK SESSION, BUT, UH, BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING ELSE, AARON, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? SURE. CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ? HERE. MR. HAY? HERE. MR. SIMON. MR. SIMON? DID WE LOSE HIM? MUTE? DID. I THINK HE'S MUTED. MR. SPACEBAR? WALTER WAL HERE. I DON'T SEE HIM. THERE WE GO. THERE WE GO. YEAH. MR. GOLDEN. HERE. MR. DESAI? HERE. MR. SNAGS? HERE. MS. FREYTAG? HERE. MR. CAMPUZANO HERE. GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANKS AARON. UM, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES, I JUST WANNA, UH, AGAIN, THANK WALTER SIMON FOR HIS TIRELESS WORK ON THE BOARD FOR ALL THESE YEARS AND THE LAST EIGHT YEARS AS CHAIRMAN. AND I HAVE BIG SHOES TO FILL. I ALSO WANT TO THANK HIM FOR AGREEING TO STAY ON THE BOARD BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE BOARD GOING FORWARD. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, WALTER. OKAY. UM, LET'S MOVE ON TO THE, UH, MINUTES. ANYBODY HAVE ANY, UH, CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? MUSIC TO MY EARS. I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES. DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANYBODY OPPOSED? OKAY, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. AARON CAR CORRESPONDENCE. UM, I THINK THERE WERE THREE ITEMS IN CORRESPONDENCE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. THAT'S CORRECT. UH, THE FIRST ONE WAS BLOOM ENERGY. UH, BLOOM ENERGY, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR TONIGHT, JANUARY 5TH, HAS ASKED THAT FOR AN ADJOURNMENT TO JANUARY 19TH, IS THEY DIDN'T GET THE C A C REPORT UNTIL WE DID IN DECEMBER, AND WANNA HAVE A CHANCE TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT AT THE MEETING. SO WE'RE ADJOURNING BLOOM TILL THE 19TH OF, UH, JANUARY. UM, SECOND ONE IS THE DURGA CHURCH. WE WILL DEAL WITH THAT, UH, LATER, UH, UH, TONIGHT AT THE END OF OUR MEETING. AND THE THIRD ONE, UM, IS A, A CORRESPONDENCE FROM, UM, ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS ABOUT, UH, THE PICKLEBALL PROPOSAL. WE CAN DISCUSS THAT, UH, AS WE BRING UP MR. BURN ON OUR NEXT PROJECT. SO WHY DON'T YOU CALL THE FIRST CASE AARON, PLEASE. GREAT. SO, UH, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CASE NUMBER TB 21 DASH 19. THAT'S EASTBROOK PARK PICKLEBALL COURT'S PROPOSAL, UH, PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 600 DOBBS FERRY ROAD, P O WHITE PLAINS. THE PLANNING BOARD WILL BE DISCUSSING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD REGARDING THE PROPOSED USE OF UP TO $125,000 OF RECREATION ESCROW FUNDS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF FOUR PICKLEBALL COURTS AT EAST STROMBURG PARK. WE HAVE COMMISSIONER BYRNE HERE THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROPOSAL. UH, GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY, AND, UH, HAPPY NEW YEAR. THANK YOU. AND LIKE WHAT YOU, SCHWARTZ SAYS, UH, WALTER, UH, CONGRATULATIONS FOR YOU MANY YEARS OF SERVICE, AND I AGREE WITH YOU. IT'S GREAT TO SEE THAT YOU'RE STILL WORKING ON THE PLANNING BOARD. UH, 'CAUSE AS A WHOLE GROUP, YOU GUYS, UH, PROVIDE A VERY, VERY VALUABLE SERVICE, UH, TO THE RESIDENTS IN GREENBURG. IT'S MUCH APPRECIATED. UM, AS I'VE COME BEFORE, UH, THE BOARD IN THE PAST, UH, WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS, UH, PARKLAND FUNDED PROJECTS. AND, UH, THIS PAST YEAR WE'VE SEEN A, UH, TREMENDOUS UPTICK IN PARTICIPATION ON A SPORT CALLED PICKLEBALL. PICKLEBALL IS BASICALLY A, UH, IT'S A PADDLE SPORT WHERE THEY USE SORT OF A BALL THAT LOOKS LIKE A RUFFLE BALL, AND IT HAS HOLES IN IT, AND IT GOES A LOT SLOWER. IT DOESN'T NEED AS MUCH SPACE. UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS BEING, UH, PARTICIPATED BY ALL AGES THAT YOU'RE SEEING THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY IN THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS PICKING UP PADDLES, LEARNING IT, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE DURING THEIR, THEIR ADULT, UH, YEARS AND THEN, UH, THEIR GOLDEN YEARS, YOU SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE PLAYING IT. UM, PRESENTLY WE'VE BEEN USING, UH, UH, MODIFIED, UH, COURTS AT EAST ROMBERG PARK WHERE WE HAD, UH, THE PLATFORM COURTS. AND, UH, WE PUT IN SOME LINES THERE. IT'S NOT AN IDEAL SITUATION, BUT IT, IT HAS WORKED [00:05:01] AND IT, IT, IT'S KEPT US, IT'S GIVEN US AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THIS SERVICE. UH, WE ALSO HAD TWO, YOU KNOW, UH, MAKESHIFT COURTS AT, UH, ANTHONY AT VETERAN PARK THAT, UH, IT WASN'T REALLY DONE, YOU KNOW? RIGHT. UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN AREA, UH, I'LL GET INTO THE SECOND HALF THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT EXPANDING. SO THERE'S A NEED FOR MORE COURTS. AND, UM, WE'VE BEEN TALKING, WE HAD SOME MEETINGS, UH, WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS, AND, UH, WE DECIDED THAT, UH, WE SHOULD MAKE A, A COMMITMENT FOR 2022. AND, UM, WE CAME UP, WE, WE, WE HAVE A PLAN. UH, AND IT'S REALLY IN TWO PARTS. ONE OF IT IS BEING ADDRESSED BY THIS PLANNING BOARD. AND THEN THE OTHER PART IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO SHARE THAT WE'RE DOING FOR EXPANDING COURTS, JUST SO YOU HAVE A WHOLE PICTURE AT ANTHONY OF VETERAN PARK. UH, AND I'LL DO THAT FIRST. I, I PUT IN OUR CAPITAL BUDGET FOR 2022 TO CONVERT, UH, TENNIS COURTS ONE AND TWO AT ANTHONY F VETERAN PARK, UH, THE TENNIS COURTS AND, AND JUST, UH, REMOVE THE TENNIS NETS AND PUT IN, UH, SIX PADDLE BALL COURTS ON THERE. UH, THE UNIQUENESS OF THAT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENT ONLY AREA. UH, PICKLEBALL DOES HAVE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY PLAYING, BUT ALSO, UH, SOME OUTSIDE PEOPLE COMING IN. AND, UH, IT'S JUST NOT GONNA MEET OUR, YOU KNOW, UH, OUR NEEDS THERE. BUT IT WILL BE SIX COURTS. UH, IT'S IN, I'M PRETTY EXCITED. I THINK I'LL HAVE THE SUPPORT, UH, HOPEFULLY OF THE TOWN BOARD, UH, WHICH WE WILL GO AHEAD AND, UH, UH, REMOVE THE NETS AND, UH, PUT IN A NEW, UH, UH, UH, ACRYLIC SURFACE, AND THEN PUT IN LINES FOR SIX, UH, UH, NEW COURTS. UH, THE ISSUE BEFORE YOU TODAY IS TO, UH, TAP INTO THE PARKLAND FUNDS TO HELP TO BUILD, UH, FOUR NEW PICKLEBALL COURTS AT, UH, ANTHONY AT VETERAN PARK. AND, UH, IF AARON, I'M, I'M ALLOWED, IF YOU ALLOW ME TO SHARE, I CAN SHARE SORT OF A CONCEPTUAL DESIGN. YES, GO AHEAD, JERRY. UM, JUST TO JUMP BACK IN, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS FOR EASTBROOK PARK, IS THAT RIGHT? VERSUS ANTHONY VETERAN? YEAH, I, YEAH, I GOT INTO TWO PART, I I GOT ON A TANGENT, UH, TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AT ANTHONY AT VETERAN PARK, UH, OF, UH, CONVERTING TWO TENNIS COURTS INTO SIX PICKLEBALL COURTS. AND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT NOW, UH, TO BE USING PARKLAND FUNDS IS TO DO THAT. UH, YOU KNOW, I, I, I'LL PRESENT THAT TO YOU NOW. I JUST NEED TO FIND, HERE IT IS. HERE WE GO. UH, CAN YOU SEE THIS? YES. YEP. YEAH. SO, UM, WE HAD BASICALLY TWO OPTIONS, UH, TO LOOK AT. ONE WAS A SIX QUART, UH, SETUP, AND THE OTHER ONE WAS A, UH, A FOUR QUART, WHICH WAS, UH, MORE MANAGEABLE, UH, FROM A BUDGETARY STANDPOINT. AND, UH, THIS LAYOUT WOULD BE, UH, BETWEEN THE UPPER FIELD AT EAST BROOK AND THE LOWER FIELD, WHICH IS CALLED THE FRANK JAO. AND WHAT IS INTERESTING ABOUT THIS IS THAT, UM, WE FEEL THAT THIS IS A REALLY, REALLY GOOD LOCATION, UH, TO COMPLIMENT THE OTHER FOUR COURTS, UH, UH, BY THE, BY THE PIC, BY THE, UH, PLATFORM AREA. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE WANNA HAVE SORT OF LIKE A WALKWAY THAT WILL GO TO THESE COURTS. IT'LL BE FENCED IN, BUT ALSO HAVE A WALKWAY AS YOU SEE ON THIS OTHER AREA. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT. LET'S SEE WHERE YOU SEE, UM, THE PER THE PURPLE LINES. UM, THAT'S AN OLD PHOTO, YOU KNOW, FROM, UH, GOOGLE EARTH. BUT, UH, WE PLAN ON OPENING UP LATER THIS YEAR, A ARCHERY RANGE. AND, UH, THIS WILL CREATE A SIDEWALK TO THAT RANGE. UH, AND AT THE PRIMARY FOCUS IS REALLY FOR THE, UH, PICKLEBALL COURTS. SO THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD LOCATE IT. IT'S A, IT'S A SIZE OF A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN A, A LIKE ONE AND A HALF TENNIS COURTS, UH, TO, TO MAKE THIS WORK THE, UH, DIRECTION THAT YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE. THESE COURTS ARE NORTH, SOUTH, SO WHEN THE SUN COMES UP, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, IN THE MORNING, IT'S ON THE EAST, IT'S REALLY HIGH, SO IT DOESN'T GET YOUR EYE, YOU KNOW, BY, YOU KNOW, UH, MIDDAY AND THE EVENING IT SETS ON, UH, THE WEST END. I HAVE, UH, IF I STOP THIS SHARE, LET'S SEE. LET'S DO IT AGAIN. UM, HOLD IT. I HAVE A, WHAT DO I DO WITH THIS? YEAH. SHOULD I GET, THIS IS THE, UH, ESTIMATED BUDGET. LET'S SEE IF, CAN I GET THAT TO SHOW UP? IS IT A DIFFERENT TAB, JERRY? UM, THERE IT IS. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. I WAS, I WAS ON THE WRONG ONE. [00:10:01] SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH B B SS OUR CONSULTANT, THAT THERE'S A LOT OF WORK FOR US. AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD, UH, THEY'VE BEEN REALLY GOOD. I WAS ABLE TO, UH, GET THEIR SUPPORT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A, A PACKAGE TOGETHER FOR US. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS BASICALLY TO COST A HUNDRED AND, UH, $97,000, UH, BUDGET. UH, SOME DESIGN FEES CONTINUOUSLY ESCALATIONS ROUNDED OFF, UH, IT COULD BE $240,000. UM, NORMALLY PROJECTS THAT WE DO, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER OR LESS. UM, WE FEEL THAT THIS IS A, UH, A, UH, RESPONSIBLE, UH, CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATE BUDGET, UH, TO WORK WITH. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED AND, UH, THE $240,000. AND WHAT I HAVE, UH, PROPOSED, AND WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN, UH, SUPPORT FROM THE PARK AND REC ADVISORY BOARD IS TO RELEASE, UM, $125,000, UH, FROM OUR PARKLAND FUNDS, WHICH PRESENTLY WE HAVE $415,000 IN THERE, UM, MINUS 125,000 IF WE GET APPROVAL, WOULD, UH, GIVE US A REMAINING BUDGET OF, UH, 290,000 AND ANY NEW STUFF THAT COMES IN IN THERE. AND WE STILL HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, SPENDING, UH, TO USE IT. SO THE BALANCE OF, UH, THIS PROJECT, WE NEED ANOTHER $115,000. AND I'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED IT, AND I BELIEVE I HAVE THAT. I HAVE THE SUPPORT OF SUPERVISOR FINER TOWN BOARD HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT YET, BUT I PUT IN THAT BUDGET TO, UH, INCLUDE $115,000 SO THAT WE COULD MAKE, UH, THIS PROJECT WORK BETWEEN THOSE TWO FUNDING SOURCES. AND, UH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU KNOW, PICKLEBALL, I DUNNO IF I MENTIONED EARLIER, BUT MY MEMO, I DID, UH, PICKLEBALL, UH, PLAY IS REALLY ONE OF THE FASTEST SPORTS, UH, IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW. UH, I HAVE, UH, FAMILY, UH, THROUGH MY WIFE'S SIDE OUT IN, UH, MARICOPA COUNTY, ARIZONA. I WAS OUT THERE IN NOVEMBER. I VISITED A COUPLE OF, UH, COMMUNITIES THAT HAD PICKLEBALL, TALKED TO PEOPLE THERE. AND, UH, IT'S JUST AMAZING THE ENTHUSIASM THAT PEOPLE HAVE. AND IT, AND IT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. AND GREENBERG IS NO EXCEPTION. SO, UH, WE'RE HOPING, UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET FUNDING, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO OUT, DEBATE AND, UH, BEGIN CONSTRUCTION THIS SUMMER. ANY QUESTIONS? THE BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS, WALTER? UM, NEXT. OKAY. THANK YOU, JERRY. I, I HAVE, UM, UH, UH, TWO QUESTIONS. THE FIRST ONE, UH, HOW MANY TENNIS COURTS DO WE HAVE NOW? AND WHEN THIS PROJECT IS OVER, HOW MANY TENNIS COURTS WILL BE AVAILABLE TO RESIDENTS? WELL, THE, THE FOUR PICKLEBALL COURTS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT DOING WOULD NOT, UH, TAKE AWAY ANY OF THE TENNIS COURTS. UM, THE PART TWO OF IT IS, WHICH IS SEPARATE FROM YOU, IS THE CONVERTING TWO COURTS AT ANTHONY VETERAN PARK INTO SIX PICKLEBALL COURTS. THAT COMPLEX RIGHT NOW HAS 19, UM, THAT RIGHT NOW HAS 19 TENNIS COURTS. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD REDUCE IT TO 17. OKAY. UH, AND I JUST MIGHT SHARE, AND WE'RE ALSO IN THE PROCESS, UH, I, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT AND, UH, UH, LEASE COURTS THERE AND DEVELOP THEM. SO, UH, I'M IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, LATER THIS YEAR, I HOPE TO GET A RE REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL AND TO WHICH WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, UH, IMPROVE THAT WHOLE COMPLEX BY GETTING AN OUTSIDE VENDOR TO, UH, REBUILD THE EXISTING COURTS, MAYBE ADD SOME MORE TO IT, BUT THEY WOULD RUN IT, YOU KNOW, AS A, UH, COMMERCIAL RECREATION VENTURE SEASONALLY. MY NEXT QUESTION IS THE LOCATION OF THOSE, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING NEXT DOOR. IT'S, IT'S NOT THE FINALIZED AT ALL, BUT IN THAT PROPOSAL, THERE IS A WALKWAY TO COME INTO BROOK. SO BASED UPON THAT, IS THERE ANYTHING IN, IN, IN THE SITUATION OF THESE COURTS THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A FINAL PROPOSAL, THAT WOULD HINDER THAT WALKWAY FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT INTO THE PARK? NOT AT ALL. OKAY. AND MY LAST 'CAUSE JUST A GOOD QUESTION. UM, IF, IF, IF THAT, UH, PROPERTY IS, IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE DE FIRST OF ALL, IT WOULD, THAT TRAIL WOULD CONNECT ALL THE WAY TO THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE PARK. AND WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE, UH, PICKLEBALL COURTS WOULD BE ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE, OF THE PARK. OKAY. [00:15:01] AND MY LAST QUESTION, IF THE TOWN DID NOT APPROVE THIS $150,000, WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS PROJECT? COULD THE PROJECT STILL GO FORWARD? UH, IT, IT'S $115,000, AND THE ANSWER TO THAT WOULD BE NO. SO ANY, OKAY. I WOULD NOT GO OUT AND SPEND THIS MONEY UNLESS, UNTIL I HAVE THE COMPLETE AMOUNT OF MONEY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL. HEY, TOM. AND THEN MICHAEL, I THINK YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP, TOM FIRST. UH, YEAH. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THIS IS GREAT. I MEAN, IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT, ANYTHING TO GET PEOPLE OUTSIDE AND ACTIVE IS, UM, TO BE ENCOURAGED. I'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT PICKLEBALL, LOOK FORWARD TO PLAYING IT. MAYBE THIS WILL GIMME ANOTHER CHANCE. TWO QUESTIONS. UM, JUST FOR PERSPECTIVE, ROUGHLY HOW MUCH, IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF AVERAGE, UM, COMES INTO THE PARK BUDGET, THE TOWN, THE PARK FUND'S BUDGET ON AN ANNUAL BASIS? YOU MEAN REVENUE YOU'VE GIVEN YEAH, YOU'VE GIVEN US A BUDGET OF WHAT YOU MIGHT WANNA SPEND, BUT I DON'T HAVE A SENSE OF HOW DOES THAT GET REPLENISHED, YOU KNOW, FOR NEXT YEAR? HOW MUCH DO YOU ROUGHLY GET IN A YEAR, WOULD YOU SAY? YEAH. WELL, THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC RECREATION, IT'S NOT FOR PROFIT. AND, UH, THIS IS REALLY A, UH, LOW, UH, FEE-BASED TYPE ACTIVITY. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S BECOMING SO POPULAR. UH, IT'S A LOT. E IT'S LIKE, UM, PEOPLE THAT GET PICKLEBALL LESSONS, UH, THEY'RE NOT, I'M SORRY, I THINK YOU MISUNDERSTOOD MY QUESTION. I MEANT YOUR PARK FUNDS, NOT THE GAME ITSELF. HOW MUCH COMES IN THE PARK PARK, YOU SAID RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE 400 SOMETHING, YOU WANT TO SPEND A CERTAIN AMOUNT, ROUGHLY HOW MUCH COMES IN OVER THE NEXT YEAR TO REPLENISH THAT BUDGET? I JUST, ACTUALLY, IF I CAN IT FOR A MINUTE, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY AN ANSWER THAT JERRY CAN'T GIVE. THAT'S PROBABLY MORE LIKELY THAT, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE ANSWER, BUT THE, THE ANSWER WOULD INVOLVE WHAT WE GET IN, UH, SUBDIVISIONS, SUBDIVISION REVENUES, UH, AND, AND SITE PLANS FOR, UH, FOR, UM, APARTMENT COMPLEXES. THAT'S WHERE THAT, UM, THAT, UH, PLUS THAT MONEY COMES, UH, IN THAT FUND. RIGHT. SO TOM, IT, IT, I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S HIGHLY VARIABLE ON A YEAR TO YEAR BASIS. WE GET A LARGE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, IT CAN EASILY ECLIPSE 100, $200,000, BUT IF WE GET JUST A HANDFUL OF SMALLER SUBDIVISIONS, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT BE IN THE 50 TO 75 RANGE, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE. BUT CURRENTLY WE HAVE 415,000 IN THAT REC FUND, TOM? CORRECT. OKAY. I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IS GIVE, UH, IS, UH, SEE WHAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. IT, IT, I DON'T KNOW HOW HELPFUL THAT WILL BE, BUT AT LEAST GIVES YOU A GENERAL IDEA WHAT WHAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THE, OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. UM, I, I CAN SHARE IT. LET ME FIND, I HAVE A DOCUMENT I JUST GOT, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH YOU. UM, LEMME SEE IF I CAN FIND IT. UH, AND GIVE MORE RECENT, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I, I, I'VE BEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE TALENT FOR OVER 35 YEARS, AND I'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S LIKE WHAT AARON SAYS IT, IT'S, IT GOES UP AND DOWN. IT'S ALL BASED ON, YOU KNOW, DEMAND AND THE COMMUNITY. UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A MAJOR, YOU KNOW, PROPOSAL BEFORE US, YOU KNOW, WHICH COVERS, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW, UH, HOW MANY ACRES. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A BIG PARCEL OF LAND. YOU KNOW, THE ELMWOOD PRESERVE PROPERTY THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN'S, YOU KNOW, UH, LOOKING AT NOW AND EVENTUALLY THE PLANNING BOARD WILL GET INVOLVED. AND, YOU KNOW, I SIDETRACKED A LITTLE BIT. THAT IS SOMETHING WHERE I'M ADVOCATING WE WANT THE LAND 'CAUSE IT BUTTS THE PARK OVER GETTING PARK LAND FUNDS. WE PROBABLY WOULD GET IF WE TOOK THE MONEY OVER A MILLION DOLLARS. BUT I THINK THAT'S REALLY, UH, NOTHING COMPARED THE VALUE OF LAND THAT THE TOWN WOULD HAVE IN PERPETUITY. AND THERE'S . YEAH. I DON'T WANNA CONTINUE A CONVERSATION ON THAT RIGHT. AT THIS POINT. IT'S A LITTLE PREMATURE , BUT, BUT THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, IT, IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL BASED ON, I, I BELIEVE IN HOW MANY APPLICATIONS COME BEFORE. RIGHT. AND THEY TRICKLE IN. SO, UH, I CAN, RATHER THAN, THAN HOLD UP, I, I DID HAVE A DOCUMENT WHERE WE KEEP, UH, YOU KNOW, RECORD KEEPING OF LIKE EACH DEVELOPMENT, HOW MUCH WE'VE HAD. YOU KNOW, I COULD POSSIBLY SEND THAT TO YOU. DO YOU GUYS NEED THAT? I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET SOME PERSPECTIVE SINCE THE DOCUMENT YOU SENT, YOU KNOW, SHOWED THE BUDGET AND SHOWED THIS PROJECT ALONG WITH A FEW OTHERS. WHENEVER I'M SPENDING MONEY, I TRY TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S LEFT AND WHEN AM I GETTING MORE. BUT, UM, IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT, IT'S NOT CRITICAL. I WAS CURIOUS, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO CUT DOWN SOME TREES FOR THIS. THAT'S NOT PART OF OUR DECISION. I WAS JUST CURIOUS, UM, HOW MUCH IS GONNA BE AFFECTED BY THE COURT BASED ON THE PICTURE YOU SENT? IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, YES. GOOD. GOOD QUESTION. AND THANK YOU. AND, UH, WHAT WE USUALLY DO IF WE TAKE TREES DOWN, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO REPLACE 'EM WITH TWO OR THREE MORE. AND, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S BASICALLY SOME LIKE OLD WEEDED TREES THAT HAVE JUST BEEN THERE OVER YEARS AND THEY'VE GROWN UP. UH, IT'S AN AREA THAT THE PUBLIC HAS NOT USED [00:20:01] AT ALL BETWEEN THE TWO. SO THIS WAS SORT OF LIKE A, A DEAD SPACE AREA, BUT, YOU KNOW, SITUATED WELL, IT, IT, THEY CAN GET ACCESS TO PARKING. IT'D BE, IT'D BE A LEVEL AREA TO GET TO. SO WE WOULD PROBABLY PLANT SOME NEW TREES AROUND IT ENOUGH TO BE FARTHER ENOUGH AWAY THAT THE TREES DON'T OVERHANG ON THE COURTS OR, YOU KNOW, GET LEADS AND STUFF IN THERE. BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS WORKED, YOU KNOW, WITH AARON IN THE PAST, I THINK WE HAVE TWO, UH, UH, ARBORISTS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULD GO OUT THERE AND, AND LOOK AT IT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD TO GET PERMISSION PROBABLY THROUGH TOWN BOARD RESOLUTION. RIGHT. HEY, JERRY, JERRY, WOULD YOU MIND IF I SHARED A SCREEN THAT SHOWED THAT FROM A HIGHER LEVEL SO THEY CAN SEE? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. SO LET ME TRY AND JERRY, AS, AS DAVID'S SHARING THAT, WOULD IT BE ACCURATE TO SAY THAT IT'S CURRENTLY SORT OF AN UNMANAGED LAND LANDSCAPED AREA THAT MAY HAVE, LIKE YOU SAID, SOME INVASIVE TREES, PROBABLY SOME NORWAY MAPLES THAT JUST SPROUTED UP ON THEIR OWN? WE CAN GO OUT THERE AND TAKE A LOOK. YEAH, I, IF, IF YOU SORT OF, UH, UH, DAVID, YOU KNOW, START, IF YOU GO TO, UH, SEE WHERE THE BLEACHERS ARE MM-HMM. , DAVID, IF YOU JUST GO STRAIGHT BACK, YOU KNOW, STRAIGHT BACK, THAT'S THE PATHWAY WE TALKED ABOUT. RIGHT. ALL, ALL. AND THEN KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING STRAIGHT, STRAIGHT, STRAIGHT AND THEN, AND THEN COME DOWN, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU, SO I, THAT TREE WILL PROBABLY BE SAVED. GO BACK FARTHER, DON'T GO DOWN, I MEAN, OKAY. AND THEN IT GO FARTHER DOWN, AND THEN I GO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THOSE, THAT THE TREES TO THE LEFT OF THAT WILL PROBABLY COME OUT. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO I THINK IF YOU ONE OR TWO TREES THERE, THE BULK OF THE TREES THAT YOU SEE HERE, YOU KNOW, THAT BORDERS THE, UH, WATER STATION PUMPHOUSE, THEY, THEY WON'T BE TOUCHED, BUT IT'D PROBABLY BE LIKE ONE I GOTTA, THAT'S A BIG, THAT'S A FAIRLY BIG TREE THERE. AND IT MAY BE THE OTHER TREE, UH, RIGHT OF THE BLUE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, LOCATION. I, I CAN SEE ONE OR TWO TREES COMING DOWN. OKAY. MICHAEL, DID YOU HAVE A, BASED ON THE GRADE, BASED ON THE GRADE WE HAVE THERE, THERE IS GONNA BE LIKE A LITTLE, UH, YOU KNOW, A DRY, UH, RETAINING WALL THAT WOULD COME UP. SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WORK THROUGH THAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. MICHAEL, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? WELL, YOU, YOU, I, I WAS ACTUALLY SWATTING A FLY, BUT SINCE I HAVE THE FLOOR, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK JERRY FOR LIKE, EDUCATING ME ON PICKLEBALL. AND WHEN THE COURTS ARE BUILT, I CHALLENGE YOU TO A GAME. YOU GOT IT. UHOH. I'M PRETTY COMPETITIVE THOUGH, MIKE. THA THANK YOU FOR THAT. MICHAEL. MONA, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I LOVE IT. YEAH, I DO ACTUALLY. , UM, GOT, I'M LIKE VERY EXCITED ABOUT PICKLEBALL COMING AND BEING EXPANDED UPON IN GREENBURG BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S REALLY EXPANDING THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. UM, IT'S BOOMING EVERYWHERE. AND WHAT I'M WONDERING IS IF THE TENNIS IS GETTING AS MUCH PLAY AS IT WAS PREVIOUSLY, AND IF WE DO CONTINUE TO NEED THE 17 COURTS OF TENNIS, AND IF PERHAPS WE WANNA TAKE MORE TENNIS, IF TENNIS PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE SCREAMING AT ME, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANNA CONTINUE TO LOOK AT TENNIS PLAY AND POSSIBLY CONSIDER TAKING, YOU KNOW, ONE OR TWO MORE TENNIS COURTS, IF THE PLAY IN TENNIS DOES CONTINUE TO DECLINE, IF IT IS DECLINING AND CONSIDER ADVANCING MORE PICKLEBALL, YOU KNOW, TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT IT AND, YOU KNOW, SEE HOW IT'S GOING, OR FIND MORE SPOTS AS, YOU KNOW, THIS SPORT GROWS PICKLEBALL. 'CAUSE I THINK YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO DO MORE WITH PICKLEBALL IN THE YEARS COMING. I, I, I, I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY. IT, IT, IT, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION STATEMENT. UM, I THINK YOU TO MONITORING NEARLY IN, IN ADDITION, UH, JUST TO, WHEN WALTER ASKED EARLIER HOW MANY COURTS WE HAVE IN ADDITION TO THE 19 THERE, THAT WOULD BRING DOWN THE 17. THERE IS A CHANCE WE MAY ADD MORE COURTS IF, IF WE END UP WITH A LEASE ARRANGEMENT, YOU KNOW, WITH A, WITH, WITH A COMMERCIAL PROVIDER. BUT, UM, WE DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE TWO TENNIS COURTS AT EACH BROOK. WE HAVE TWO TENNIS COURTS AT YOSEMITE PARK. WE HAVE FOUR AT TRAVIS HILL PARK, ONE AT, UM, UH, ZARO PARK. SO WE DO, SO EVEN THOSE AREAS WE'LL HAVE TO BE EVALUATED. AND THEN IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THEY MAY SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, LET'S DO AN EVALUATION. IS IT, DO WE WANNA GO PICKLEBALL OR DO WE WANNA GO A MIXTURE? I'M SUGGESTING TO YOU THAT YOU SHOULD BE EVALUATING THEM, IF NOT ANNUALLY, SOONER THAN ANNUALLY, AND CONVERTING THEM TO PICKLEBALL COURTS. 'CAUSE I THINK THIS SPORT IS ON SUCH A BOOM RIGHT NOW AND MOVING FORWARD AND TO MAKE IT MORE AVAILABLE TO OTHER AREAS OF OUR COMMUNITY, UM, I REALLY THINK IT SHOULD BE MONITORED VERY CLOSELY. OKAY. MONA, MONEY ASIDE FOR THAT, I THINK, I THINK THE, [00:25:01] I THINK THE POINT'S MADE, AND JERRY'S GOT IT. UM, I, I WANNA MOVE ON CORT. YEAH. DID YOU HAVE YEAH, I, I, I THINK I CONGRATULATED, UH, JERRY AGAIN. SO WE ARE, WE ARE AT THE KIND OF AHEAD OF THE NEW GAMES AND NEW REQUIREMENTS FOR IT. SO THAT, THAT'S VERY NICE. AND WE ARE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF, UH, BRINGING YOU TO KIND OF A NEW SPORTS AND OTHER STUFF. AND, UH, UH, MY OWN, SINCE I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT, BUT IT'S A USAGE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE FOR PICKLEBALL. OH, IT'S, WELL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LIKE SORT OF, UH, COMPETING WITH LIKE RIGHT NOW IN THE WINTER MONTHS WITH THE PLATFORM TENNIS PLAYERS. THAT'S A LITTLE BIT, HE WAS A DIFFERENT BALL. UM, IT, THE COURT DIMENSIONS, UH, ARE SHARED, BUT THE LINES ARE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER AND THEY PLAY OFF THE FENCE. SO, UH, OUR REC SUPERVISOR, CRAIG, UH, S SCONE, HE HAS TO WORK WITH. HE'S TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH BOTH USER GROUPS AND, UM, THE PICKLEBALL PLAYERS ARE VERY VOCAL. UH, THEY, THEY HAVE REALLY DRIVEN THIS, UH, BY, YOU KNOW, UH, REACHING OUT TO TOWN OFFICIALS AND, AND THEN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. AND, UH, AND WE'VE BEEN TELLING THEM THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS LIKE THE NEXT PHASE. AND I, I THINK, LIKE WHAT MONA SAID EARLIER, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT MORE SITES. UH, SOME PICKLEBALL USERS MAY SAY THIS IS NOT ENOUGH, BUT, UH, WE THINK THIS IS THE, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT STEP. I MEAN, WE GOT AHEAD OF THE CURVE THAN OTHER COMMUNITIES. 'CAUSE WE STARTED GETTING INVOLVED, YOU KNOW, WITH HAVING CLINICS ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO. AND, AND IT WOULD'VE SEEN, IT'S LIKE IT HAS REALLY, YOU KNOW, UH, IT SORT OF EXPLODED. I DON'T KNOW IF THE PANDEMIC HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH, 'CAUSE A LOT OF, UH, RACKET SPORTS, REALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, GOT MORE INTEREST, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE, UH, THE THING STARTED. SO. GOOD. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, ABOUT THIS PROJECT? I JUST WANTED TO MENTION ONE THING. HUGH, UH, CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND, AND JERRY AS WELL, UH, JUST RELATED TO THE TOWN TREE ORDINANCE, THE NEW ORDINANCE. I, I, I KNOW WE HAVEN'T HAD A TON OF EXPERIENCE WITH IT, BUT QUICKLY, JERRY, AND YOU AND I CAN WORK TOGETHER ON IT, BUT WHEN YOU DO APPEAR BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD, YOU ARE GONNA NEED TO HAVE A COUNT ON THE REMOVALS AND, AND SOME DISCUSSION ON REPLACEMENTS. SO WE CAN WORK TOGETHER BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, UH, JUST TO IRON THAT OUT TO DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW LAW. OKAY. SO I JUST WANTED THE BOARD MEMBERS TO BE AWARE OF THAT AS WELL. YEAH. AND, AND LIKE, AARON, I'LL BE LEANING ON YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU, YOU MAKE SURE I GO THROUGH ALL THE PROPER STEPS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. ARE, ARE WE PREPARED TO TAKE A VOTE TONIGHT TO, UH, APPROVE, UH, THIS EXPENDITURE AND SEND IT TO THE, UH, TOM BOARD? YES. CAN I HAVE A MOTION THEN? I MAKE A MOTION? CORRECT. MADE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? A SECOND. SECOND. TOM, SECONDS IT ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. CARRIED. JERRY, IT'S APPROVED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, AND, UH, HOPE TO SEE YOU SOON. OKAY. BE SAFE BEFORE WE GO ON. THANK YOU, JERRY. I, I, I HAVE TO, UH, ADMIT I MADE I ONE ONE VERY BIG OMISSION. I, I ALSO WANNA THANK TOM HAY FOR AGREEING TO BE MY VICE CHAIR, UM, THE VICE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING BOARD. TOM HAS WORKED VERY, VERY HARD IN THE LAST ON THE BOARD SINCE HE'S BEEN ON THERE. VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE, AND HE ALSO WILL BE A GREAT ASSET TO US GOING, GOING FORWARD. SO, TOM, THANK YOU FOR, UH, VOLUNTEERING TO BE VICE CHAIR. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, HUGH, FOR OKAY, HAVING ME. OKAY. UM, LET'S MOVE ON TO OLD BUSINESS. THE FIRST ONE IS PIOUS. UH, DO YOU WANNA ANNOUNCE IT? UM, PB 2 21 10. AARON, PLEASE. SURE. AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ MENTIONED, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CASE NUMBER PB 2110 PARAIS, LOCATED AT 23 SPRINGWOOD AVENUE, P O LEY IN THE R 7.51 FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT, UH, INVOLVING, UH, A PROJECT PROPOSING THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TWO-CAR GARAGE, AS WELL AS FRONT AND REAR ADDITIONS TO THE EXISTING RESIDENCE, UH, REQUIRING A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD ON NOVEMBER 18TH, THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS GRANTED ALL AREA VARIANCES ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT. THIS PROJECT WAS LAST DISCUSSED AS PART OF A PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 1ST. NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED SINCE THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED. A DRAFT DECISION WITH CONDITIONS HAS BEEN PREPARED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING. I CALL TO YOUR ATTENTION CONDITION 9.9 ON PAGE NUMBER EIGHT, WHICH RELATES TO RECENT PLANTING OF TREES ON THE PROPERTY TO DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW TOWN TREE ORDINANCE, UM, AS WELL AS CONDITION NU UH, NUMBER 11.1 0.3 [00:30:01] ON PAGE EIGHT, WHICH RELATES TO THE APPLICANT PROVIDING A CONSTRUCTION STAGING PLAN TO BE REVIEWED AND ACCEPTED BY, UH, TOWN STAFF PRIOR TO THE COMMENCEMENT OF ANY WORK. AS WE ALL KNOW, IT'S A VERY TIGHT ROADWAY UP THERE. UM, SO WE WANTED TO ADD THAT CONDITION AS WELL. UM, THOSE ARE THE TWO SPECIAL CONDITIONS THAT WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT. HOWEVER, BEFORE THE BOARD CONSIDERS ITS DECISION ON THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATIONS, THIS PROJECT DOES QUALIFY AS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER, AND THAT'S A VOTE THAT YOU CAN TAKE AT THIS TIME. OKAY. CAN I HAVE A, A MOTION, UH, TO DECLARE THIS A TYPE TWO ACTION, PLEASE. I MOVE, I HEAR A SECOND. SECOND. HEAR A SECOND. ALL IN SECOND? YES, MR. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? OKAY. IT'S A TYPE TWO ACTION. COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS? A NEG NEG DECK? SO, UH, CHAIR BURRS SCHWARTZ, WITH IT BEING A TYPE TWO. OH, WE DON'T NEED TO, YOU'RE RIGHT. FOR, YOU'RE RIGHT. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THAT'S OKAY. OKAY. UM, YOU'LL GET TO HANG THAT I'LL FOR DISCUSSION ON, ON THE, UH, APPROVAL LETTER. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS IN THE APPROVAL LETTER? YEAH, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS, CORRECT? YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S, UH, UH, ON THE, THE SECTION FILE AND PAGE SIX. OKAY. AND I WAS JUST, UH, LOOKING AT THE OTHER, UH, UH, APPROVALS THAT WE HAVE YOU PREPARED FOR TONIGHT. THAT'S PB 21 DASH 13. AND I'M JUST WONDERING, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, SITE SPECIFIC, UH, IS NOT INCLUDED. SO THERE IS ANY REASON FOR IT, OR FOR EXAMPLE, UH, UH, SORT OF CONTRACTOR REQUIREMENT REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE, IF YOU LOOK AT 5.1 IN 21 DASH 13 MM-HMM. AND, AND ALSO THE 5.3, UH, AND 5.5. SO I WAS JUST WONDERING, IT IS A, UH, LOOKS LIKE VERY GENERIC, UH, KIND OF COMMENTS ON. SO WITH RESPECT TO THE SITE SPECIFIC AND THE OTHER ONE, UH, 5.1, WHICH RELATES TO THE HOT WORK THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THAT PARTICULAR FIRE DISTRICT. SO WE ADD THAT IN. WHEN THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT ISSUES ITS COMMENTS THAT PROJECT FALLS WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT. SO WE JUST COPY AND PASTE THAT OVER, UH, 5.3, AT LEAST THE ONE I'M LOOKING AT RELATES TO, YOU KNOW, UH, RE WHAT, HOW DID TRUCK OFFSITE THE POOL WATER AND THIS PROJECT DOESN'T. NO, NO. NOT THAT 5.5. UM, SO THAT ALSO RELATES TO THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT, SO WE DID NOT GET THE SAME COMMENT. UM, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHEN THE PROJECT PLANS OR THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS ARE SUBMITTED TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THEY'RE REVIEWED BY THE FIRE INSPECTOR THAT, UH, WORKS FOR AND WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. ALSO, UPON REQUEST, THEY WILL BE SENT TO THE FIRE DISTRICT AS WELL. JUST SO HAPPENS THAT GREENVILLE SPECIFICALLY PUTS THOSE COMMENTS INTO THEIR REVIEW MEMOS. SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE INCLUDE THOSE WITHIN ANY DECISION BY THE BOARD. THE OTHER DISTRICTS TYPICALLY DO NOT, UM, ON THE SMALLER PROJECTS, SOMETIMES THEY DO ON THE LARGER SCALE PROJECTS, AND WE'RE SURE TO INCLUDE THOSE WHEN WE DO RECEIVE THEM. SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE HERE. THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE. OKAY. AND THE OTHER ONES ARE TO HAVE, UH, SPECIFIC COMMENTS WITH RESPECT TO POOLS. YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? THEN I'LL, UH, ENTERTAIN. DO WE NEED TO DO 2, 2 2 VOTES HERE, AARON? YES. THE SLOPE PERMIT AND THEN THE TREE PERMIT. OKAY. I'LL, I'LL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, AGREE TO APPROVE THE, UH, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT. SO MOVED HERE. SECOND, SECOND, SECOND. UH, TOM SECONDED IT ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? OKAY. I NOW NEED A MOTION ON THE T TREE REMOVAL PERMIT. NOBODY WANTS TO DO THAT. APPROVE. TOM MOVED IT. DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. JOHANN SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. THANK YOU. OPPOSED? NO. OKAY. IT CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. ALRIGHT, THAT'S IT FOR , RIGHT? YES. OKAY. [00:35:01] SO MOVE ON TO 2113, PLEASE. YES. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDAS CASE NUMBER PB 2113 DOGRA, LOCATED AT ONE MAPLE RIDGE COURT, PO SCARSDALE IN THE R 21 FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED RECONSTRUCTION OF AN EXISTING PATIO AND CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW IN-GROUND POOL INTEGRATED WITH THE PATIO, WHICH REQUIRES A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD. THIS PROJECT WAS LAST DISCUSSED AS PART OF A PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 1ST. NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED SINCE THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED. A DRAFT DECISION WITH CONDITIONS HAS BEEN PREPARED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING. I CALL TO YOUR ATTENTION CONDITION 4.9 ON PAGE FIVE, AND THAT RELATES TO THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATION THAT IT WILL BE MEETING THE 50 YEAR STORM VERSUS THE CODE REQUIRED 25 YEAR STORM. SO WE WANTED TO INCLUDE THAT, UH, WITHIN THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL, INDICATING THAT THE APPLICANT DEMONSTRATED THAT IT WOULD, UM, MEET THAT, THAT THRESHOLD. UH, WE ALSO WANTED TO CALL TO YOUR ATTENTION TO CONDITIONS 5.1 THROUGH 5.5 ON PAGES, UH, SIX AND SEVEN. SO I THINK WE WENT OVER SOME OF THOSE JUST IN THE LAST ONE SINCE, UH, MR. SIDE MADE THE CROSS-REFERENCE THERE. SO, UM, IF ANYONE WANTS ME TO GO THROUGH THOSE AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO. BUT, UH, BEFORE YOU CONSIDER A VOTE ON THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATION, THIS PROJECT DOES QUALIFY AS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO, TO DECLARE THIS? A TYPE TWO ACTION. SO, MOVE, SO MOVE SECOND. UH, WAL, UH, WALTER, AND THEN MONA. UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? CARRIES. OKAY. DO I, DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE, UH, PERMIT ITSELF? ON THE, ON THE DOCUMENT? I THINK WE DID THAT ALREADY. NOT ON THE DOCUMENT. WE DIDN'T NOT ON DRA. YEAH, BUT, BUT WE KIND OF DID WITH CORRECT . YEAH. WELL, THAT WAS ON THE LAST ONE, THOUGH. I'M ASKING. OKAY. NOBODY WANTS TO TALK. AND I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE STEEP CELL PERMIT. I'LL APPROVE. I, YES. MOVE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. JOHANN SECOND. BUY A HAIR OVER. WALTER. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. WAS THAT A, A PUN ON, ON BALD PEOPLE? WHAT WERE WE TRYING TO SAY? ? HEY, I'M A MEMBER OF THE CLUB, MY FRIEND . ALL OPPOSED, YOU GET A POUND. CLEARLY NOT THE HAIR CLUB, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT THE HAIR CLUB FOR MEN ON THIS BOARD, IF YOU NOTICED. OKAY. IT CARRIES. THANK YOU. OKAY, GREAT. SO OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PB 21 DASH 16, WALK-IN, LOCATED AT 29 FAITH LANE, P O LEY IN THE P U D PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF AN IN-GROUND POOL AND PATIO AREA TO THE REAR OF THE EXISTING RESIDENCE, WHICH REQUIRES A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD. THIS PROJECT WAS LAST DISCUSSED AS PART OF A PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 1ST. NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED SINCE THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED. A DRAFT DECISION WITH CONDITIONS HAS BEEN PREPARED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING. I CALL TO YOUR ATTENTION CONDITIONS 5.1, 5.2, AND 5.3 ON PAGE SIX. UM, 5.1 RELATING TO THE LANDSCAPING. YOU MAY RECALL, AS WE DISCUSSED, UH, THEY'D SHOWN A RENDERING THAT WASN'T ENTIRELY ACCURATE BASED ON, UH, THE APPLICANT'S, UH, FAMILY MEMBER BEING ALLERGIC TO BEES. SO, UM, THEY DID MODIFY THAT, AND WE HAVE A PLAN IN HAND THAT THEY WILL COMPLY WITH. UM, AND THEN 5.2 AND 5.3 RELATE TO THIS SWIMMING POOL AND CARTING THE WATER AND, AND MEETING THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS FOR SUPPLEMENTARY USE OF SWIMMING POOLS. SO, UH, WE WANTED TO ADD THOSE IN. UM, BUT BEFORE THE BOARD CONSIDERS ITS DECISION ON THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATION, THIS PROJECT ALSO DOES QUALIFY AS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER. OKAY. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS? A TYPE TWO ACTION. SO MOVED. MONA, DO A SECOND. SECOND. TOM. SECONDS IT ALL IN FAVOR. A AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? CARRIES. OKAY. A DISCUSSION ON THE RECOMMENDATION ITSELF FROM THE PERMIT ITSELF. ANYBODY? GUYS, YOU REALLY WANT TO GET OUT OF HERE TONIGHT FOR SOME REASON. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. WELL, WE ALREADY COVERED IT. [00:40:01] WE TALKED ABOUT IT. NOT THIS ONE. THIS ONE'S FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD. I DON'T MEAN TONIGHT, BUT IN OUR EARLIER SESSIONS. I THINK WE THAT'S GOOD. YEAH. SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, PLEASE. SO, MOVE. SECOND. MICHAEL, WHO SECOND CUR SECONDS. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? OKAY. CARRIES. GREAT. SO I THINK WE'RE READY TO GO INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING CHAIR PERSON, SCHWARTZ? UH, ABSOLUTELY. IF BARBARA'S READY. ALL SET, BARBARA? GREAT. I WILL, UH, CALL THE ROLE THEN. YES, PLEASE. CHAIR PERSON. SCHWARTZ. HERE. MR. HAY? HERE. MR. SIMON? HERE. MR. GOLDEN? HERE. MR. DESAI? HERE. MR. SNAGS? HERE. MS. FREYTAG? HERE. MR. CAMPESANO HERE. SO WE HAVE MR. CAMPUZANO HERE AS OUR ALTERNATE THIS EVENING. HE WON'T BE VOTING ON THE MATTERS BEFORE THE BOARD THAT ARE UP FOR A VOTE. OKAY. THANK, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. SCHMIDT. UM, WELCOME PUBLIC TO OUR PUBLIC HEARING THE FIRST OF THE YEAR. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU, UH, LISTENING IN OR WATCHING ON, ON ZOOM OR ON TELEVISION. UH, COULD YOU CALL THE FIRST CASE AARON, PLEASE? SURE. MY PLEASURE. SO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA HERE IS PB 21 DASH 25 R M C, LOCATED AT 59 VALLEY AVENUE, P O ELMSFORD. IN THE OB OFFICE BUILDING DISTRICT, THE APPLICANT SEEKS PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS IN CONNECTIONS WITH ITS PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A CUL-DE-SAC ROAD ROADWAY AND RE RELATED RETAINING WALL ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF A THREE STORY RESIDENTIAL APARTMENT BUILDING ON A NEIGHBORING PARCEL LOCATED WITHIN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD. THE PROPOSED CUL-DE-SAC WOULD SERVE AS ACCESS TO UNDER UNDERBUILDING GARAGES AS WELL AS SPACE FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO TURN AROUND. THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE IS PROPOSED TO CONTAIN 30 UNITS AND 59 OFF STREET PARKING SPACES ALL WITHIN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD. THE PROJECT INVOLVES, UH, REGULATED STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE AND REGULATED TREE REMOVALS WITHIN THE TOWN. THE PROJECT WAS LAST DISCUSSED ON DECEMBER 1ST. ON DECEMBER 6TH, THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD, BOARD OF TRUSTEES VOTED TO DECLARE ITSELF LEAD AGENCY IN CONNECTION WITH THE OVERALL PROJECT AND TO ADOPT A NEGATIVE DECLARATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL SIGNIFICANCE UNDER SEEKER. A COPY OF WHICH HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO ALL BOARD MEMBERS. THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATIONS. AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, TURN IT OVER TO MR. PLEIO AND MR. VOTE. UH, GOOD EVENING. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I'M RAIO FROM R M C DEVELOPMENT. UM, THIS, UH, PROJECT IS, UH, VITAL TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE, UH, 30 UNIT APARTMENT, UH, COMPLEX THAT WE PLAN TO BUILD IN ELMSFORD. UH, IT WILL PROVIDE A, UM, UH, HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE, UH, TO ALLOW FIRE TRUCKS AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES, UH, ACCESS TO ALL ENDS OF THE, UH, PROJECT. THE PROPERTY THAT THIS WILL BE INVOLVED IN IS QUITE LARGE 10 POINT, UM, I'M SORRY, 12 POINT, UH, FIVE ACRES, UH, OF WHICH THE, UH, CUL-DE-SAC WILL BE A VERY MINOR, UH, PIECE, UH, RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROPERTY. THE BALANCE OF THE PROPERTY WILL BE UNDEVELOPED. UH, THE PROPERTY IS VERY, VERY STEEP. UH, AND WE WILL BE, UH, UH, DISTURBING ONLY A VERY MINOR PIECE OF IT. UM, THE, UH, VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD HAS REVIEWED THE PROJECT, UH, BOTH ENGINEERING WISE AND, UH, FOR BUILDING, UH, CODE COMPLIANCE. UH, THEY, UH, DECIDED IT IS A, UH, IT REQUIRES A NEGATIVE DECLARATION, WHICH THEY ISSUED IN DECEMBER. AND, UH, HAS BEEN, UH, HELPING, UH, WITH R M C TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS. UH, AS THE, UH, TURNAROUND WILL BE PART OF, UH, UH, GREENBERG. UM, A, UM, UH, WE HAVE, UH, WE'VE, THE TWO TOWNS HAVE DONE A INTER MUNICIPAL, UH, MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT, WHICH WILL, UH, ALLOW, UH, ELMSFORD TO, UH, COVER ALL OF THE NECESSARY MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPOSED ROADWAY. UH, THE, UH, STORM WATER WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF BY [00:45:01] OUR PROPERTY AND OUR PROJECT. AND, UH, WE BELIEVE, UH, WE SHOULD BE GIVEN THE OKAY TO MOVE ALONG, UH, A ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD OR THE TOWN MIGHT, OR THE PUBLIC MIGHT HAVE, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER. ANYBODY ON THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO THE PUBLIC? YEAH. AARON, I HAVE A QUESTION. I, I, I WOULD LIKE HOLD AARON. YEAH. I'M SORRY TO JUMP IN. THANK, THANK YOU. CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ. UM, MR. VOTE, IF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT, UH, JUST AS A REMINDER TO OUR BOARD MEMBERS, BUT ALSO, AND PRIMARILY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC TO PUT UP A COPY OF THE PLAN SO FOLKS HAVE A SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE THIS IS LOCATED AND, AND WHAT'S PROPOSED WITHIN THE VILLAGE VERSUS WHAT'S PROPOSED IN THE TOWN AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION. SURE. UH, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. IF NOT, UH, I CAN PUT IT UP. SURE. I I CAN DO THAT. THANK YOU. AND THEN I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE BOARD MEMBERS. OKAY. UH, GOOD EVENING, UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, UM, OF THE BOARD, UM, CAN YOU SEE MY SCREEN WITH THE SITE PLAN? YES. OKAY, GREAT. UM, ALRIGHT. GOOD EVENING. IT'S, UH, THE PROJECT IS, IS LOCATED AT 59 VALLEY AVENUE IN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD. UM, I'M JUST GONNA SWITCH OVER TO THE SITE PLAN, UM, WHICH IS DRAWING C DASH ZERO THREE. UM, YOU COULD BLOW THAT UP. JUST A TOUCH, I THINK. THERE YOU GO. SURE. OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU. SO, A, A MAJORITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UM, IS WITHIN ELMSFORD. UM, IT'S DIVIDED BY THIS, UH, HEAVY, UH, THICK GRAY LINE THAT SEPARATES THE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES BETWEEN ELMSFORD AND GREENBERG. SO THE, UH, MAJORITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS IN ELMSFORD. THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, UNITS, THE PARKING AREA, UM, IS ALL ANNOUNCED FOR THE, HOWEVER, THE CUL-DE-SAC, UM, AT THE END OF, UH, OF THE VALLEY AVENUE EXTENSION IS WITHIN A PORTION OF GREENBURG. UM, ROBERT MARTIN'S, UH, PROPERTY IS EXTENSIVE. IT GOES, UM, INTO GREENBERG. IT'S, IT'S APPROXIMATE. IT'S A LITTLE OVER 11 ACRES THAT'S IN GREENBERG. UM, SO WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO IS TO, UM, HAVE OUR CUL-DE-SAC WITHIN GREENBERG AND OUR RECREATION AREA. UM, THAT'S JUST TO THE, UM, WEST OR TO THE REAR OF THE APARTMENT BUILDING. UM, AND IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT THE CUL-DE-SAC, UM, AGAIN, AS MR. PLEIO EXPLAINED THAT THE SITE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU GET TO THE GREENBOARD GREENBERG SECTION, UM, GETS VERY STEEP. UM, SO WHAT I'M GONNA SHOW YOU IS JUST THE STEEP, THIS IS THE STEEP SLOPE ANALYSIS PLAN THAT WE HAD PREPARED AND, AND TALKED ABOUT THROUGHOUT OUR, OUR WORK SESSIONS. AND YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE SALT RIVER RIVER PARKWAY, AND WITHIN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT CUL-DE-SAC THAT WE ARE DISTURBING SOME OF THOSE STEEP SLOPE AREAS. THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL STEEP SLOPE AREAS THAT ARE BEYOND, UM, WHERE OUR, OUR RECREATION AREAS, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT DISTURBING THOSE AREAS. THOSE ARE ESSENTIALLY BEYOND THE LIMITS OF OUR DISTURBANCE. SO ALMOST ALL OF THE DISTURBANCE ACTIVITY WITHIN THE STEEP SLOPE IS WITHIN THE SMALL AREA, UM, THAT'S NEEDED TO CONSTRUCT THE CUL-DE-SAC. AND AGAIN, THE, THE CUL-DE-SAC IS NEEDED FOR, UM, TO MAKE THIS SITE, UH, NOT A DEAD END PROPERTY. UH, IT'S, UM, VITAL TO THE, UH, ACCESS, UM, FOR NOT ONLY THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, BUT FOR, UH, LIFE AND SAFETY, UM, TO ACCESS THE SITE AS WELL AS PROVIDING, UM, TURNAROUND FOR ANY OF THE OTHER, UM, PROPERTY LANDOWNERS OR RESIDENTS, UH, THAT ARE ALONG VALLEY AVENUE, UM, THAT DON'T HAVE A, UH, OPTION TO TURN AROUND. UM, CURRENTLY. SO E ESSENTIALLY, UM, THE STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE AREAS ARE LISTED ON OUR PLAN. THEY HAVE NOT CHANGED SINCE OUR WORK SESSION. UM, WE ARE DISTURBING, UH, IN THE 15%, UM, AREA, WE'RE DISTURBING 2327.27 SQUARE FEET WITHIN THE 25% AND UP WE'RE DISTURBING 768.69 [00:50:02] SQUARE FEET. AND WITHIN THE HIGHEST CATEGORY, THE 35% AND UP, WE ARE DISTURBING 645.5 SQUARE FEET. AND AGAIN, THOSE RELATE PRIMARILY TO THIS AREA. UM, THAT'S TO THE EAST OF THE PROPOSED CUL-DE-SAC. OKAY. UH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS POINT? COR I THINK WAS HAD ONE, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS, WALTER, UH, UH, FOR ROCCO, MAINLY, IS THERE ANY PLAN FOR USING THIS, UH, CUL-DE-SAC AND THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, RELATED TO IS TO ACCESS TO THE REMAINING, UH, PROPERTY THAT R M C OWNS? NOT CURRENTLY, NO. IS IN FUTURE, UH, I GUESS ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE. THE SITE IS VERY, VERY STEEP. UH, FURTHER DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE MOST DIFFICULT. UH, AND OVER THE YEARS WE'VE TRIED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS, UH, FOR USE OF THAT PROPERTY, NONE OF WHICH HAVE, UH, PANNED OUT IN ANY WAY. AND WHEN THE, UH, TOWN REZONED THIS TO THE OFFICE BUILDING, UH, OH, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, IT PRETTY MUCH PUT THE PROPERTY INTO A NON-USABLE STATE. UH, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY PLANS TO, TO DEVELOP IT IN THE FUTURE, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE NEVER KNOWS. OKAY. BUT AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE NO FU THERE ARE NO CURRENT PLANS TO DEVELOP ANYTHING FURTHER. OKAY. THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT, IS THERE ANY RETAINING WALL, UH, ALONG THE STEEP SLOPES THAT YOU ARE CLEARING? UH, NO. NO. THERE THERE ARE, THERE ARE NOT ANY, UM, RETAINING WALLS ALONG THE STEEP SLOPE. OKAY. SO WHAT'S THE GRADE DIFFERENCE? UH, WHAT, WHAT IS THE GRADE DIFFERENCE? YEAH. FROM THE BOTTOM OF, YEAH. BOTTOM TO THE TOP, SO, SURE. SO FROM ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE, ON THE EASTERN SECTION, YOU'RE AT ELEVATION 1 74. AND THEN WHEN WE GET INTO THE SITE, UH, AROUND THE CUL-DE-SAC, YOU'RE AT 180 1. SO ABOUT ABOUT SEVEN FEET. YEAH. OKAY. AND YOU, YOU, YOU'RE GONNA DO IT WITH THE RIPRAP? YES. WE'RE GONNA GRADE THAT UP AND PUT THE RIP WRAP IN. THAT'S CORRECT. THOSE ARE ONE FOOT CONTOURS. SOME, A LOT OF TIMES YOU MIGHT SEE TWO FOOT CONTOURS, SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE DOUBLE WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS. BUT THESE ARE ONE FOOT CONTOURS. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH. NOT, NOT ON THE, THE PROJECT ITSELF. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS BECAUSE WE GOT INTO A PACKET, UH, UH, SFOR DECLARED THEMSELVES LEAD AGENCY. NOW, IS THAT JUST INFORMATION, BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT OPTION OR THAT WOULD SOMETHING, UH, WHO THE LEAD AGENCY WAS ALREADY DONE BY THE TOWN. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE DOCUMENT. I, I BELIEVE, GARRETT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, AARON, DIDN'T GARRETT ANSWER ANSWER ELMSFORD? YES. SO THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD SOUGHT TO ESTABLISH ITS ROLE AS LEAD AGENCY FOR THE OVERALL PROJECT, THE VILLAGE BOARD OF TRUSTEES THAT WAS CIRCULATED TO THE TOWN. UH, COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE DID PROVIDE A RESPONSE WITH, UM, SOME INFORMATION BACK TO THE VILLAGE. AND THEN THE VILLAGE MADE THAT SECRET DETERMINATION. OKAY. JUST, UH, JUST INFORMATIONAL FOR US. CORRECT. IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THOUGH. I, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE AN INTERESTED PARTY IN THE FUTURE, WE NEED TO BE NOTICED ON IT DIRECTLY. AARON, IT, IT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO BE NOTICED ON IT DIRECTLY. 'CAUSE IT'S REALLY OUR DECISION. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD'VE CHANGED ANYTHING. IT WAS AN OBVIOUS, UH, SITUATION, THE MAJORITY OF THE PROJECTS THERE. BUT WE SHOULD BE INFORMED AND NOTICED ON THAT. OKAY. IF I CAN, UH, JUST, UH, WE, I, I, I AGREE. WHAT WE DID, UH, WE WERE AWARE OF THOUGH, IS THAT, UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS IN FRONT OF THE BOARD PRIOR TO, UH, THE NEC UH, DECLARATION. AND SO WE DID HAVE A DISCUSSION. SO WE HAD THAT ABILITY, FORTUNATELY, THIS TIME. OKAY. OKAY. JUST WHEN WE ARE AN INTERESTED AGENCY, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WERE NOTICED. THAT'S ALL MOST DEFINITELY I WOULD ASK. OKAY. MOST DEFINITELY. I HAVE TWO. GO AHEAD, AARON. I HAVE TWO QUICK THINGS. UM, ONE, JUST GOING BACK TO THAT STEEP SLOPE REAL QUICK. AND THIS PLAN LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT DEPICTS IT, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, UH, FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THERE'S A SEVEN FOOT DROP OFF, OFF THE EDGE OF THAT ROADWAY AND NO WALL. SO, UM, THERE'S GONNA BE A REINFORCED GUARDRAIL OR GUARDRAIL ALONG THAT EDGE JUST [00:55:01] FOR SAFETY PURPOSES. SO A CAR DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, CARE DOWN AND ONTO THE PARKWAY. I JUST WANTED YOU TO SHOW THAT QUICKLY. AND THEN LASTLY, UM, THERE IS SOME TREE REMOVAL AND LANDSCAPING. SO I THINK MR. VOTE'S SHOWING YEAH, THAT THERE'S A PROPOSED GUIDE RAIL ALONG THAT EDGE JUST FOR SAFETY PURPOSES. THERE'S ALSO LIGHTING, UM, AND THERE'S AN INTER MUNICIPAL AGREEMENT BEING WORKED ON BETWEEN THE VILLAGE AND THE TOWN ABOUT TO MAINTAIN, MAINTAIN THE CUL-DE-SAC, RIGHT. FUTURE MAINTENANCE. ABSOLUTELY. SO, UH, THE ONLY OTHER THING, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S TREE REMOVAL AND LANDSCAPING. I BELIEVE THERE'S A PLAN ON THAT. THE APPLICANTS DEMONSTRATED COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW, UH, TOWN TREE ORDINANCE. SO THAT HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY MYSELF AND THE, UH, THE TOWN FORESTRY OFFICER AS WELL. SO YOU CAN SEE THE PLAN THERE. UH, I WOULD SAY THAT A NUMBER OF THE TREES THAT ARE BEING TAKEN DOWN ARE INVASIVE SPECIES. THE AREA WAS PARTIALLY AT, AT LEAST PARTIALLY PAVED IN THE PAST. AND, UM, TREES KIND OF BROKE THROUGH THE SEAMS IN THE, UH, MCCADA PAVEMENT. AND TYPICALLY THOSE ARE VOLUNTEER INVASIVE SPECIES. SO, UM, I THINK THE OVERALL LANDSCAPE PLAN WILL, WILL OUTPERFORM THE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE BEING TAKEN DOWN. OKAY. WALTER, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND RAISED AGAIN? YES. UH, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE, UH, THE RAILING SAFETY RAILING? YOU HAVE THE RE THE, THE SAFETY RAILING IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SEVEN OR EIGHT FOOT DROP. SO THE CAR TUNNELS DOWN AT THE TOP? NO. TOP? NO, SIR. IT'S AT THE TOP. IT, IT, IT'S LOCATED AT THE TOP. UM, LET ME, LET ME SWITCH TO THE, LET ME SWITCH TO THE GRADIENT THEN. OKAY, FINE. OKAY, FINE. I, UH, UPWARD I'M SAYING THE SAWMILL RIVER PARKWAY WAS ANYTHING FROM, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU HAVE THE SAWMILL RIVER PARKWAY. SO WHAT HAPPENS IF A PARK COMES OFF THE SAWMILL RIVER PARKWAY? CAN THEY HIT THE SEVEN FOOT ITSELF? THE, UH, THE, THE, THAT CUL-DE-SAC, UH, MR. SIMON IS ABOVE THE PARKWAY. THE PARKWAY IS BELOW OH, SEVEN FEET BY SEVEN FEET. RIGHT. OKAY. FINE. EIGHT. YEP. THAT'S SEVEN FEET. THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY. UM, AS WE OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC, I JUST WANNA REMIND THE PUBLIC THAT THE ONLY THING WE'RE DISCUSSING AT THIS POINT IS THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. AND ACTUALLY, UH, THE FOCUS IS ONLY ON THE PART THAT INVOLVES GREENBERG, WHICH IS THE CUL-DE-SAC AND THE REC AREA. UM, THOSE COMMENTS ARE, ARE WELCOMED. ANY OTHER COMMENTS SHOULD BE, UH, AT A DIFFERENT TIME. SO WOULD YOU OPEN UP, UH, TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE? YES. SO I BELIEVE WE HAVE, UM, MR. BODEN THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION, MR. BODEN, IS THAT RIGHT? YES. AND WHEN I WAS THERE AT THE SOIL AREA, I FOUND IT. AND IF THEY DO, MR. BOWDEN, MR. BOWDEN EITHER SPEAK CLEARLY OR, UH, HOLD YOUR PEACE, PLEASE. I, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT GONNA PLAY GAMES. OKAY. IF YOU WANNA SPEAK AND SAY SOMETHING, THAT'S FINE. IF YOU DON'T, THAT'S FINE. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO, UH, TOLERATE, UM, ANY, ANY OF THIS, ANY GAMESMANSHIP. SO DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, THIS IS NOT GAME ISSUE. THIS IS WHAT I HEARD. I CAN'T HEAR, WE CAN'T UNDERSTAND THE WORD YOU'RE SAYING. MAY, MAYBE YOU CAN TAKE OFF HIM MASK AND TALK SOMETHING. MAYBE IT'S A GOB. YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, MR. MR. BOWDEN SENT AN EMAIL TO ME SAYING, UH, MAKING REFERENCE TO THE FACT OF SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN THE TOWN BOARD. AND HE WANTS TO PLAY THIS GAME BECAUSE HE PUT A MASK ON. OKAY. AND WHEN HE WAS SPEAKING, HE, YOU COULD HEAR SOME OF HIS WORDS, AND THEN HE, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, STARTED TO MUMBLE. OKAY? WE HAVE PEOPLE, WHAT'S GOING ON? WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE WAITING. WE HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS, MR. BODEN, I SUGGEST YOU MAKE THEM NOW, OR WE'RE MOVING ON YOUR CHOICE. OKAY, WE'RE MOVING ON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, SO I, I THINK AT THIS POINT, ALAN, WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LEAVE THE RECORD. YES. IF THERE'S, OH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC? I'M SORRY IF, IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE, WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS AT THIS POINT. UH, MR. VOTE, CAN YOU, UH, STOP THE SHARE SCREEN? THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO NO ONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC HAD SIGNED UP, UH, TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION. SO I THINK THE BOARD, IF IT WISHES, IS IN A POSITION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT YOU LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN FOR ONE WEEK THROUGH JANUARY 12TH. RIGHT. AND WE WOULD, AND THEN WE'LL MAKE IT A, A RECOMMENDATION DECISION AT THE NEXT MEETING. ON THE 19TH. YES. OKAY. CORRECT. SO [01:00:01] YOU'D WANNA TAKE A VOTE ON THAT. OKAY. I, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON, ON, UH, THE R M C PROJECT. LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN TILL THE 12TH DURING HEAR A SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYE. I GUESS WALTERS AYE. OPPOSED, BUT I THINK HE MEANT HE'S IN FAVOR. . OKAY. IT, IT CARRIES. UM, LET'S MOVE ON THAT THEN. AARON, PLEASE. YES. SO, UH, HAVE A GOOD REST OF YOUR EVENING. THANK YOU, MR. MR. MR. S THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NIGHT MR. SPEN. THANK YOU MR. VOTE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU. OKAY, SO THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 18 BODY LOCATED AT 14 PAYNE STREET AND 1 75 WINTHROP AVENUE PO ELMSFORD IN THE R FIVE ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT SEEKS PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS FOR PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION OF TWO EXISTING LOTS INTO NINE LOTS FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTING NINE NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH RELATED IMPROVEMENTS. THIS PROJECT WAS LAST DISCUSSED BY THE BOARD ON DECEMBER 1ST. BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, STAFF HAS PREPARED A DRAFT SEEKER NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION SINCE THE DRAFT WAS PREPARED AND CIRCULATED. THE SECTION ON HISTORICAL RESOURCES WAS UPDATED BY STAFF TO REFLECT THAT THE PROJECT WAS REFERRED TO THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD, AND THAT THE APPLICANT IS AGREEABLE TO THE PURCHASING AND PLACEMENT OF A PLAQUE ON THE SITE TO COMMEMORATE MS. KAYLIN AND ONE OF THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN MODELS WHO LIVED IN THE HOUSE AT 1 75 WINTHROP AVENUE. SO WE ADDED THAT IN. UM, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS INADVERTENTLY, UH, OMITTED FROM THE DRAFT THAT YOU RECEIVED, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE FINAL DRAFT THAT, UH, WE HAVE ON RECORD BEFORE CONSIDERING A VOTE. HEY, AARON, I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. WHAT, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF DEMOLISHING THE ONE HOUSE? SO, UH, H AND L P B HAS INDICATED TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE THAT THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH, UH, MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DEMOLITION. I DO NOT KNOW IF THERE'S ANY SCHEDULED DEMOLITION AT THIS TIME, BUT WE CAN ASK, UH, PERHAPS THE APPLICANT IF THERE IS ANY, UH, APPLICATION BEING SUBMITTED FOR THE DEMO. OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A SAFETY CONCERN, PARTICULARLY AS WINTER'S COMING, THAT THAT WHOLE BUILDING COULD COLLAPSE AND KILL ABSOLUTELY HURT SOMEBODY. SO IT, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THAT MOVE AHEAD BEFORE, UM, I TURN IT OVER TO, UH, THE APPLICANT. I JUST WANNA SAY THAT WE'VE SPENT AN AWFUL LOT OF TIME, UH, BEFORE THIS PUBLIC HEARING, UH, IN SITE PLANS IN, IN, UH, SITE VISIT AS WELL AS I BELIEVE WE HAD TWO WORK SESSIONS ON, ON THIS. UM, AND THE PLAN HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY. UH, WE THINK FOR THE BETTER SINCE, SINCE, UH, THE FIRST MEETING. UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA THANK THE APPLICANT FOR BEING SO RESPONSIVE TO, TO THE COMMENTS THAT THEY'VE GOT FROM THE, FROM THE PLANNING BOARD. AND WHAT I'D LIKE THE APPLICANT TO DO TONIGHT IS EXPLAIN WHAT SOME OF THOSE CHANGES WERE AS THEY GO IN THROUGH AND DESCRIBE THE PROJECTS THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS, UH, WHAT, WHAT THE CONCERNS WERE AND WHAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED AS WE GO FORWARD. SO, AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT AND MR. YOUNG BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, UM, JUST FOR, AS A MATTER OF PROCEDURE. AND IT'S COMPLETELY . DO YOU WANNA SPEAKER FIRST? I THINK, I THINK THE BOARD SHOULD CONSIDER THAT FIRST. I KNOW WE DO HAVE OKAY, NO PROBLEM. SO THIS IS, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT THIS IS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SEEKER SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION ON JUST ON, ON THE, ON THE UNLISTED ACTION OR ON THE DRAFT DECK? WELL, THE INCONSISTENCY WITH TWO DOCUMENTS, BECAUSE ON THE TREE REMOVAL YOU HAVE 1 75 WIND DRIP. AND ON THE NEG DECK IS 14TH MAIN STREET. SO WE HAVE, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ADDRESSES, SO I DON'T, SHOULD BE FIXED. OKAY. SO I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. OKAY. SO WE WILL HAVE THE APPLICATION UPDATED BECAUSE IT DOES INVOLVE BOTH, UM, BOTH ADDRESSES. SO THE NEG DECK, THE DRAFT NEG DECK DOES STATE, UH, UNDER NAME OF ACTION, IT SAYS PB 21 DASH 18, BODY 14 PAYNE STREET, N 1 75 WINTHROP AVENUE. SO WE WANNA BE CONSISTENT AND RECOGNIZE BOTH ADDRESSES AS PART OF ALL DOCUMENTATION. SO WE WILL TAKE A SECOND LOOK AT THAT. OKAY. DID WE, DID WE HAVE A [01:05:01] VOTE? I KNOW THAT WE HAD, WE HAD A MOTION ON THE TABLE. DID WE HAVE A VOTE ON VOTE? DIDN'T VOTE. CAN I HAVE A VOTE ON WHETHER THIS IS UNLISTED? ACTION, PLEASE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. A AYE. ALL OPPOSED? OKAY. IT'S UNLISTED. ACTION. COULD I HAVE A VOTE ON THIS BEING A NEG, UH, GIVING THIS A NEGATIVE DECLARATION? UM, I, MR. CHAIR, I WOULD ACTUALLY PREFER IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION. AND SECOND FOR BOTH THOSE. THAT'S SO MOVED. I'M ASKED FOR MOTION. WALTER MOVED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. ONE. MONA SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? OKAY. IT CARRIES ITS NEGATIVE DECLARATION. AND NOW I BELIEVE, AARON, WE CAN TURN IT OVER TO MS. D YOUNG. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. WELCOME, MR. Y OH, THANK YOU. UH, IS MY SPEAKER FINALLY WORKING OR MIC ? IT'S MUCH BETTER. CAN HEAR THIS WEEK. BEST YET, , DO YOU MIND IF I SHARE A SCREEN? PLEASE DO. OKAY. I AM SO SORRY. GIMME ONE SECOND. I APOLOGIZE. I JUST UPDATED MY COMPUTER AND WON'T LET ME SHARE THE SCREEN. , WE NEED MOOD MUSIC IN THE BACKGROUND WHEN PE PEOPLE ARE HAVING, YOU KNOW, HAVING THIS TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY. IF, IF, IF FOR ANY REASON YOU'RE UNABLE TO MR. YOUNG I DO HAVE, I I MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE COPIES OF THE PLANS AND DOCUMENTS AVAILABLE ON A THUMB DRIVE THAT I CAN SHARE IF NEED BE. UM, COULD YOU I I'LL TRY TO DO IT IN THE NEXT FEW MINUTES, BUT FOR SOME REASON MY FIREWALL IS UP AND WILL NOT ALLOW ME. OKAY. LET'S SEE IF I CAN, OH, EVERY TIME I COME IN THROUGH HERE, I HAVE SOME DIFFICULTIES. I , AVIOS GOOD THIS WEEK. MR. . JUST BEAR WITH ME FOR A SECOND. SO I KNOW THAT, UM, I GUESS WE CAN START WITH THE REVISED PLAN SET DATED 11 23 21, OR WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO START WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, WHICH I HAVE AS 12 21 21? LET'S START WITH THE PLAN ITSELF. I CAN THROW IN SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE LANDSCAPE IF, IF WE WANNA JUST KILL SOME TIME. OH NO, IT IS GONNA COME UP. IT'S GONNA COME UP , BECAUSE I'VE READ THE NEW REGULATION AND I MODIFIED MY LIST. YEAH. OH, OKAY. AND THAT RELATED TO MY COMMENT THIS AFTERNOON. YES. AND I LEARNED SOMETHING THAT THE, UH, GENERIC, OF COURSE IS THE PLURAL OF GENUS. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT . SO WE'LL GET TO THAT. WE'LL GET TO THAT. OKAY. HOLD ON ONE MOMENT. OKAY. JUST, UH, LET ME KNOW IF EVERYONE CAN SEE THE PLANS. YEAH. YES. OKAY, GREAT. SO I'LL TURN IT OVER AND YOU JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN TO SCROLL. OKAY. SO, UM, THIS IS THE UPDATED PLAN THAT, UH, THE NEWEST VERSION. UM, WE ORIGINALLY STARTED WITH, UH, FOUR HOUSES FACING PAIN, UH, THREE ON NORTH LAWN, AND, UH, TWO ON WENT OFF. BUT, UH, TALKING WITH THE BOARD AND WORKING WITH EVERYONE, WE FINALLY, UH, DEVELOPED A, I THINK A REALLY NICE PLAN OF HAVING ONE, UH, HOUSE ON PAIN STREET TWO, UH, ONE HOUSE FACING PAIN STREET, WHICH IS LOT SIX, BUT HAVING ACCESS ON NORTH LAWN AND TWO HOUSES, UH, SWITCHED OVER TO WINTHROP. UH, I KNOW THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT HAVING BOTH LOT SIX AND LOT SEVEN ON, UH, NORTH LAWN, BUT WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A SAFETY HAZARD JUST BECAUSE OF THE GRADING ITSELF THAT, UH, IT WOULD BE TOO CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION. YOU WOULD NOT HAVE ENOUGH VISIBILITY. SO THAT'S WHY WE LEFT, UH, LOT SEVEN ON PAIN STREET. UM, LATER, UH, WE CAN SHOW YOU A, UH, SITE DISTANCE THAT I'VE DEVELOPED. UH, I BELIEVE THE, UH, TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT HAS SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. SO WE DEVELOPED A SITE DISTANCE FOR YOU GUYS TO SEE, UM, UM, I THINK AND THEN, UH, WE CREATED A, A D A ACCESS FOR THE ROAD. I THINK THERE WAS, UH, TWO POLES THAT WERE, UH, UM, DIRECTLY ON THE SIDEWALK ITSELF. SO WHAT WE DID IS WE CREATED A KIND OF LIKE A ROUNDABOUT AROUND IT OVER A FOUR FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK. WE DIDN'T DO THE WHOLE SIDEWALK ITSELF BECAUSE I, WE BELIEVE THAT WOULD CREATE TOO MUCH IMPERVIOUS AREA. [01:10:01] UM, IT WOULD DISTURB, UH, DISTURB PART OF THE, UH, A LOT MORE AREA THAN WE WANT TO. AND, UH, KIND OF CUT A LOT MORE, UH, LAND BACK. SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE WENT AROUND THE POLES AND STUFF. AND PLUS THIS IS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO DISTURB AS MUCH. UM, UM, WE DIDN'T WANNA DISTURB AS MUCH, UH, LAND ITSELF. UH, I DO. AND THEN, UH, DO YOU, COULD YOU SHOW THE SITE DISTANCE PLAN? OKAY. I THINK THAT'S ON A SEPARATE SHEET. I DON'T THINK IT'S IN THIS SET. I THINK IT CAME IN SEPARATELY. SO JUST BEAR WITH ME FOR A MOMENT. I WILL PULL IT UP. I, I DO APOLOGIZE. I HAD A WHOLE SET SHOWING EACH, UH, ITERATION OUT . OKAY. I'M GETTING THE HANG OF IT. THIS IS A NEW COMPUTER FOR ME. SO . UM, BUT LET'S SEE, AT LEAST MY MIC'S WORKING . CAN EVERYONE SEE THIS PLAN? YEAH. YES. OKAY. SO THIS WAS A SITE DISTANCE PLAN OUT MR. YOUNG. SO THE, THE SPEED LIMIT ON, UH, PAIN STREET IS 30 MILES PER HOUR. SO WE SET THAT AS THE, UH, DESIGN SPEED FOR THE SITE DISTANCE. IT'S AR IT'S 198, BUT IT'S AROUND 200, UH, FEET IN RADIUS. UM, AND SO WHAT WE DID IS YOU DESIGNED IT FOR WHEN THE CAR'S COMING OUT, YOU LOOK TO YOUR RIGHT AND YOU LOOK TO YOUR LEFT, UH, AND AT THE FURTHEST SPOT POSSIBLE. AND, UH, WITH THE FURTHEST SPOT, UH, YOU CAN SEE IN THE GRAPH THERE IS NO OBSTRUCTION OF, UH, UH, IN, IN THE SITE PATH. UH, I KNOW THERE IS TWO POLES IN THE WAY. UM, UH, I BELIEVE ONE'S IN THE RIGHT AND ONE'S THE LEFT. THE ONE IN THE, UH, LEFT HAND SIDE DOES NOT BLOCK THE SITE DISTANCE AT ALL. THE ONE IN THE RIGHT DOES, BUT DOES NOT BLOCK THE FURTHEST SIGHT DISTANCE OF, UH, 200 FEET. UM, BUT AS YOU GO, UH, DOWN THE DRIVE, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE WHOLE PATH ITSELF. SO, AND THERE IS NO SHRUBS OR ANYTHING IN THE WAY. AND WE PUT A COMMENT ONTO THE PLANS SAYING THAT NOTHING COULD BE BUILT WITHIN THE SIGHT DISTANCE TRIANGLE. AND I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT THIS WAS REVIEWED BY SERGEANT NICK REON OF OUR TRAFFIC AND SAFETY. IN FACT, HE'S THE ONE THAT REQUESTED THE SITE DISTANCE PLAN AND THE NOTE, UH, BEING PUT ON THE PLAN THAT THERE WOULD BE NO OBSTRUCTIONS IN THE SITE TRIANGLES, UH, RELATED TO SITE DISTANCE. SO HE WAS PROVIDED WITH A COPY OF THIS AND FOUND IT SATISFACTORY. SO, UM, SO WITH THIS, YOU CAN LEAVE THIS UP RIGHT NOW. UH, ORIGINALLY WE HAD, UH, A, I BELIEVE IT WAS AN 18 FOOT OR A 12 FOOT DRIVEWAY, UM, OR A 14 FOOT, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY, BUT I ONLY ALLOWED TWO PARKING SPOTS. ONE IN THE BUILDING ITSELF AND ONE IN FRONT OF IT. AND THEN WE DISCUSSED WITH THE TOWN TO CREATE, UH, TWO PARKING SPOTS, UM, ON PAIN STREET. UH, WE HAD TO PUT A TURNAROUND BECAUSE IT WAS A POLICE COMMENT FOR SAFETY. UM, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT MORE TRAFFIC GOING ON ON PAIN STREET, ON WOF AND NORTH LAWN, THERE IS NOT AS MUCH TRAFFIC BECAUSE THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOOP THAT GOES AROUND IT. SO NOT, THERE IS NO, UH, COMMUTER TRAFFIC THAT WOULD EVER GO ON THOSE STREETS ITSELF. SO, AND I THINK THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD IDEA FROM THE WARD TO PUT THE EXTRA PARKING. IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE IN THIS AREA. AND THEN, UM, DAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO ON THE, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN? UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS BOARD HAS REVIEWED THE LANDSCAPING, BUT I'M GONNA JUMP WAY AHEAD TO THE COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED FROM THE REVIEWERS THAT, UM, I WAS ON. WE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW THE NEWEST CODE. SO WE HAD, UM, THE NEWEST CODE. UH, WE HAVE 32 PROPOSED NEW TREES AND IF THERE'S BETWEEN 21 AND 35, YOU NEED SIX DIFFERENT GENUSES ACCORDING TO THE NEW CODE. AND WE HAD FOUR MEANING, UH, LIKE THERE WERE MAPLES AND OAKS AND SPRUCE AND LINDEN'S AND THAT WAS FOUR TYPES. BUT WE NEED TO HAVE SIX, WHICH IS GOOD. I UNDERSTAND. AND I'M REALLY APPRECIATIVE OF THE, OF THIS NEW RULE. I KIND OF APPLY GREENBERG'S RULES WHEN I DO ARMAC AND OTHER TOWNS 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT UP TO SPEED. AND SO I KEEP APPLYING THE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE STARTED WITH. I THINK IT'S REAL SMART. AND ALSO NOW TO HAVE MORE THAN 20% OF ANY ONE KIND. SO WITH THE 62 TREES, I MEAN THE 32 TREES, UH, THAT MEANS THAT I CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN SIX AND A HALF, SIX TO SEVEN OF ANY ONE KIND OF TREE. AND THE THINKING I THINK I UNDERSTAND BEHIND THAT IS THAT IF THERE'S A BLIGHT OR SOMETHING THAT THEY ALL WOULDN'T BE DECIMATED. I MEAN, IT'S AMAZINGLY FAR THINKING, I THINK. SO ANYWAY, UM, SO WHERE I HAD SIX SUGAR MAPLES AS REPLACEMENTS, I CAN KEEP THAT. WE HAD 12 NORWAY SPRUCES MOSTLY ALONG THE, UH, NORTHERN SIDE TO SCREEN. SO I'M GONNA DIVIDE THAT TO SIX NORWAY SPRUCES AND SIX BLADE ON CYPRESSES. HARDLY DIFFERENT GENUS [01:15:01] SO THAT THEY, THERE WON'T BE THAT ISSUE AND WE'LL COMPLY MORE. WE'RE GONNA KEEP THE SEVEN PIN OAKS BECAUSE I HAVE THEM ALONG WINTHROP. AND TO ME IT, IT CREATES LIKE A STREET, A STREET CANOPY KIND OF THING. THEY'RE ALL MATCHING ALONG THE STREET ALONG WINTHROP. SO I WANTED TO KEEP THE SEVEN PIN OAKS ALONG THAT SIDE. UM, AND WE HAD SEVEN LINDENS JUST IN THE MIDDLE THAT WAS SOMEWHAT RANDOM. SO I'M GONNA DIVIDE THAT UP TO BE, UM, FOUR LINDENS AND THREE RIVER BIRDS. AND THIS GIVES ME NO MORE THAN, I HAVE SEVEN PIN OAKS, BUT THE REST ARE UNDER THE 20%. AND, UH, AND I HAVE SIX NEW GENUSES, UH, GENA I GUESS IS THE PLURAL. I NEVER KNEW THAT WAS, I WOULD SAY GENUSES, BUT ANYWAY, SO I THINK WE CAN COMPLY WITH THAT. AND IT WAS THOUGHTFUL, UM, OBSERVATIONS BY THE REVIEW. I APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING TOGETHER A, A RESPONSE. I ONLY GOT YOU THE COMMENT THIS AFTERNOON. SO, UM, MR. SHERMAN, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO GET SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, AND BE ABLE TO PRESENT THAT THIS EVENING BEFORE THE BOARD AND, AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. SO IT WAS JUST SOMETHING I HAPPENED TO NOTICE WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS PLAN AS I WAS PUTTING IT ON MY THUMB DRIVE, I SAID, I DON'T SEE THAT THIS MEETS THE DIVERSITY STANDARD. SO IT'S, IT'S GREAT THAT YOU HAD THAT AND, UH, NO IT DIDN'T. AND NO OTHER TOWN HAS THAT. IT'S, IT IS REALLY PRETTY GOOD. SO AGAIN, ALONG WINTHROP, I WANTED A SORT OF AN AVENUE OF THE PIN OAKS. THE OTHER ONES WERE JUST REPLACEMENTS OF CANOPY TREES BECAUSE WE'RE REMOVING THE NORWAY MAPLES THAT ARE WEEDED TREES REALLY ANYWAY. BUT THEY STILL DO CREATE A CANOPY. SO I THINK IT, UH, IT'S GONNA BE A NICE LITTLE COMMUNITY. MM-HMM. GREAT. AND, UH, MR. YOUNG, IF, IF THERE ISN'T ANYTHING ELSE ON THE TREE REMOVAL AND LANDSCAPING? I, I DID, I SHOULD MENTION THAT, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE LOT, UH, THAT THAT LOT THAT WAS ROTATED TOWARDS NORTH LAWN AVENUE, WE OBSERVED DURING OUR SITE VISIT THAT WE HAD THE PUBLICLY NOTICED SITE VISIT, THAT THERE WERE SOME TREES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY IN THAT AREA THAT LIKELY WOULD NEED TO BE REMOVED WITH ROTATING THE DRIVEWAY FROM PAYNE STREET TO, UH, OR SHIFTING THE DRIVEWAY FROM PAYNE STREET TO NORTH LAWN AVE. UH, SO NOW THE PLAN HAS BEEN UPDATED TO REFLECT THAT THERE ARE THOSE ADDITIONAL TREES. I WOULD SAY 90% OF WHICH ARE, ARE NORWAY MAPLES, WHICH ARE AN INVASIVE SPECIES. SO, UH, THE PLAN WAS REFLECTED TO HAVE BEEN UPDATED, UH, IN THAT RESPECT. AND THEN, UM, CAN I FINISH OFF WITH THE STORMWATER? YEAH. CAN YOU USE THIS PLAN OR SHOULD I SWITCH IT BACK OVER? NOPE, THIS PLAN WOULD WORK. OKAY. SO THE STORMWATER, UH, THE REASON WHY YOU SEE EVERY KIND, THE, THE BOXES BEHIND THE HOUSES, UH, THERE ARE INFILTRATION SYSTEMS THAT ARE ACTUALLY UNDERGROUND. UH, THERE'S DIFFERENT SIZES BECAUSE WE DID DEEPS, UH, UH, DEEPS AND PERCOLATION TESTS FOR EACH, UH, SPECIFIC HOUSE. AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S DIFFERENT VARIATIONS ON THEM. UM, AND THIS IS DESIGNED FOR A HUNDRED YEAR STORM, I BELIEVE. UH, THE, WE DID A PRE AND A POST ANALYSIS, I THINK IT WAS 25 TO UP TO 20 TO 25% REDUCTION OF, UH, WATER THAT'S GONNA GO, UH, OFF LAND. UM, SO, UH, PART OF THE WATER IS COMING FROM THE DRIVEWAYS. IF WE CAN COLLECT THEM, I THINK WE CAN COLLECT ALL THE ONES ON WINTHROP. THE OTHER, UH, FIVE LOTS WE'RE UNE TO DO IT JUST, JUST BECAUSE OF GRADE. UH, UM, BUT WE DO HAVE A 25 PER OR 20 TO 25% PERCENT REDUCTION. SO THAT'S, THAT'S A REALLY, REALLY GOOD, UH, UH, DESIGN. I AT LEAST I THINK SO. AND I THINK THAT'S IT FOR, YES, I DO. I DO HAVE A QUESTION JUST RELATED TO, UM, STONEWATER MANAGEMENT FOR THE DRIVEWAYS. ARE THERE TRENCHED DRAINS ALONG THE DRIVEWAYS? ARE THE DRIVEWAYS PITCHED TOWARD THE ROAD OR IN TOWARDS THE SITE? SO ALL, CAN YOU TOUCH ON THAT? THE, WHAT'S THAT? GO AHEAD. CAN I ADD THIS AGAIN? ALL THE DRIVEWAYS ARE, UH, POSITIVELY SLOPED. SO THAT MEANS THEY DO, THEY, THEY DO NOT PITCH TOWARDS THE HOUSE. THEY'LL ALWAYS POUR UP, UH, PITCH AWAY, WHICH I THINK IS ALWAYS A BETTER DESIGN UNLESS YOU HAVE TO DO IT, UH, TOWARDS THE HOUSE. UM, I BELIEVE, UH, WE HAD A COMMENT ON PAIN STREET, UH, THE HOUSE ON PAIN STREET. AND, UH, THEY WANTED TO BE MORE, A LITTLE BIT MORE LEVEL, BUT WE KEPT IT AT 2%. UM, JUST 'CAUSE THEY, I I BELIEVE THEY WANTED VISIBILITY WITH EVERYTHING. WHEN THE CAR COMES DOWN, UM, EVERY, ALL THE HOUSES ON OL DO HAVE TRENCH STRAINS AND, UH, THEY WILL COLLECT ALL THE, UH, DRIVE IT UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND GO BACK INTO THE SYSTEM ITSELF. WHAT ABOUT ON NORTH LAWN? NORTH LAWN? WE CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE THE, UH, THE DRIVEWAYS IS, UH, HOW DO YOU SAY IT? IT, IT'S, UH, BELOW GRADE. UH, IT'S, IT'S NOT ON THE FIRST LEVEL. 'CAUSE IT, IT DROPS, UH, THE DRIVEWAY. THE GARAGE IS, UH, ON THE BASEMENT FLOOR BASICALLY. SO THE THE THEY ARE NEGATIVE. THEY ARE NEGATIVELY SLOW? NO, NO, THEY'RE POSITIVELY SLOW. THEY'RE POSITIVELY SLOW. [01:20:01] I THINK THE, THEY GO, WAIT, WAIT, I, I'M CONFUSED. YES, I UNDERSTAND. STAND ON THE WIN SIDE ON THE NORTH LAWN SIDE. DO THE DRIVEWAYS GO DOWN TOWARDS THE GARAGE? ARE THEY EVEN TOWARDS THE GARAGE? NO, THEY SLOPE TOWARDS THE, UH, THE, THE DRIVEWAY SLOPED TOWARDS THE SHEEP, TOWARDS THE ROAD, TOWARDS THE ROAD. IF THEY SLOPE TOWARDS THE ROAD, WHY CAN'T YOU PUT IN A TRENCH DRAIN AT THE END OF THOSE DRIVEWAYS? BECAUSE THE ELEVATION BEHIND THE HOUSE IS MUCH HIGHER THAN WHERE THE DRIVEWAY'S AT. SO THERE'S NO WAY TO ACTUALLY COLLECT THE WATER WITHOUT SOME TYPE OF PUMP. COULDN'T YOU PUT A CUL, SOME KIND OF CULTECH RIGHT UNDERNEATH THAT DRIVEWAY THERE? UM, YOU CAN'T BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO PERCOLATION TESTS AND DEEP TEST, THERE'S A SPECIFIC LEVEL OF WHERE, UH, WHERE WE NEED TO TEST AND WHERE IT HITS, UH, ROCK OR GROUNDWATER. AND IT'S VERY SENSITIVE. AND ESPECIALLY WHERE IF WE'RE DIGGING INTO THAT AREA, UM, I BELIEVE IT IS LIKE FOUR OR FIVE FEET ALREADY, SO WE'LL BE HITTING, UH, LEDGE OR GROUNDWATER. UH, I, I FORGET MY ONLY, MY ONLY CONCERN, YOU KNOW, IT'S GREAT ON AVERAGE THAT YOU'VE REDUCED THE, THE FLOODING, THE, THE, UH, RUNOFF BY 2020 5%. YEP. BUT IN SOME CASES THAT, THAT'S A TROJAN HORSE BECAUSE IF YOU'RE REDIRECTING THE REST OF SOME OF THE REST OF THE 75% IN A WAY THAT IT WAS NEVER DIRECTED BEFORE, IT COULD CAUSE A PROBLEM ACROSS THE STREET. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. DO I, CAN I ANSWER THAT? YES. UM, ALL THE WATER ACTUALLY HITS THE INTERSECTION WHERE, UH, NORTH LAWN AND PAIN STREET IS. SO CURRENTLY THERE, ALL THE WATER ON THE LOT GOES, GOES TOWARDS THAT AREA, TOWARDS THE, I BELIEVE THERE'S A CATCH BASIN IN THERE. SO, UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S ACTUALLY NOT CHANGING THAT MUCH. UH, THE AND WE'RE, WE'RE ALREADY COLLECTING THE HOUSE. IS THIS THE DRIVEWAYS THAT WE CAN'T COLLECT? NO, NO, BUT THAT, THAT'S THE IMPERMEABLE SURFACE IS WHAT I'M SAYING. YEP. AND I'M JUST WONDERING THE HEAVY RAIN, IF IT'S NOT GONNA SHOOT ACROSS, ARE THERE OTHER, ARE THERE SEWERS OTHER, UH, STORM DRAINS ON, ON THAT, ON NORTH LAWN AT ALL? YEAH. YEAH. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ONE OVER HERE YES. AND THEN ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL, AND ONE HERE. YEAH. SEE, I'D BE, I'D BE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT SIDE OF NORTH LAWN IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING TO MITIGATE THE, THE WATER COMING OFF THAT DRIVEWAY IN A HEAVY RAIN. UH, ANOTHER SUGGESTION IF IT DIDN'T COME UP, AND I APOLOGIZE, I WAS CHECKING SOMETHING, BUT, UM, WE HAVE SEEN IT IN OTHER PROJECTS WHERE THERE'S, UH, A PERVIOUS MATERIAL UTILIZED FOR THE, FOR THE DRIVEWAY. IS THAT AN OPTION? THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED. YEAH. YES, IT, IT IS. UH, YES, IT IS. THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD HAS UTILIZED IN THE PAST, JUST AS A REMINDER TO OUR BOARD MEMBERS, UH, PERVIOUS ASPHALT OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF A PAVER, SOME KIND OF PIOUS, PIOUS PAVER, WHEREAS PAVER, RIGHT. I MEAN, ONE OTHER CONSIDERATION TO, TO KEEP IN MIND RIGHT NOW THAT, UM, THAT STRIP OF LAND BORDERING NORTH LAWN IS A SEMI STEEP DIRT SLOPE DOWN TO THE ROAD. SO THE DRIVEWAYS WILL BE LESS SLOPE. OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE, AS THEY ARE NOW, THEY'RE MORE IMPERVIOUS, BUT THEY'RE ALSO LESS SLOPED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT TRADE OFF IS WHEN THE WATER ACTUALLY HITS, BUT PAVERS IS DEFINITELY A GOOD IDEA EITHER WAY. YEP. BUT, SORRY, I THINK THE GO AHEAD. PREVIOUS, PREVIOUS, UH, UH, WHICH WE HAVE DONE IT PREVIOUSLY IS WOULD BE A GOOD SOLUTION. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO KIND OF, UH, PUT A CALTECH UNDERNEATH THE, UNDERNEATH THE DRIVEWAY. DO THEY ABSORB RIGHT AWAY? K I AND KNOW, YOU KNOW A LOT ABOUT THAT? PRETTY OH, YEAH. YEAH, THEY DO. PRETTY GOOD. PRETTY GOOD. YEAH. OKAY. SO YEAH, I'VE SEEN THEM IN ACTION. THEY'RE, THEY ACTUALLY, THE FOREST MATERIAL IS GOOD. SO WILL THE APPLICANT AGREE, AGREE THAT WE WE'RE GONNA USE A PER SOME KIND OF PERVIOUS MATERIAL IN THE DRIVEWAYS ON NORTH LAWN? YEP. WE CAN PUT ON NORTH LAWN AND PANE BECAUSE PAINT CANNOT COLLECT IT AS WELL. OKAY, GREAT. THAT'D BE TERRIFIC. ANYTHING ELSE FROM, FROM, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? OH YEAH. OKAY. MONICA, I THINK YOU SHOULD POINT OUT THAT WE ALSO MADE, UM, EFFORTS TO WIDEN THE DRIVEWAYS ON WINTHROP SO THAT WE HAVE ADDITIONAL PARKING. THAT WAS A BIG WIN FOR US. GOOD POINT. RIGHT. WHEN WE ORIGINALLY SAW THIS PLAN, THERE WERE ONLY TWO CARS, UH, OFF, OFF STREET PARKING, ONE IN THE GARAGE. AND MR. YOUNG DID, DID ALLUDE TO THAT EARLIER. ONE IN THE GARAGE, ONE IN THE DRIVEWAY. NOW THERE WERE TWO, IT'S A TWO CAR DRIVEWAY IN ALL OF THE PROPERTIES. SO WE'VE ELIMINATED SOME OF THE PARKING ISSUE THAT I KNOW WAS [01:25:01] A, WE KNOW, WE KNOW WAS A CONCERN OF THE NEIGHBORS. YEAH. THANK YOU MONA. KURT, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT? I HAVE A COMMENT. YEAH, LET, OKAY, WALTER, YOU NEXT KURT, GO AHEAD. UH, I WANTED TO KIND OF, UH, ASK AT THE LAST MEETING THAT, UH, IS THERE ANY OTHER POSSIBILITY OF NOT HAVING ANY, UH, DRIVEWAY COMING TO THE PAIN STREET, BUT LOOKS LIKE, UH, UH, YOU HAVE TRIED AND YOU COULD NOT FIND SOLUTION? SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONLY CONCERN I HAVE. AND I THINK MORE THAN SITE DISTANCE, MY CONCERN IS THAT IF IN THE MORNING WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF CARS GOING DOWN, THE PERSON LIVING IN THAT LOT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET OUT. SO IT'S A, THAT'S WHY HAVE THE BUMP OUT. THAT'S WHY THEY DID THE BUMP OUT. YEAH. BUT SO THEY COULD TURN AROUND. YEAH. BUT HE CANNOT REALLY GET OUT, OUT BECAUSE THE CARS ARE LINED UP ALL THE WAY FROM OP TO DOWN TO THE, UH, THING NINE A. SO IT IS, IT, IT IS A CONCERN THAT WE HAD FROM THE, WE VISITED THE SITE AT FIRST TIME. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHY THERE WAS NO, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY, UH, DRIVEWAY COMING OUT OF, UH, HOUSES ON THE ORIGINAL SORT OF HOUSES. WE CAN RUN THAT BY THE, UM, THE SERGEANT AGAIN TO SEE IF, UH, THERE ANY CONCERNS. BUT THERE WERE OTHER HOMES ON PAIN STREET. YEAH. RIGHT. AND THEY GET OUT. YEAH. IT REALLY IS NOT AN ALTERNATIVE, I DON'T THINK AT THIS POINT. NO, THEY, YEAH, THEY GET OUT. OKAY. WALTER, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? OH, I, I, I JUST HAVE A, A COMMENT FROM MR. SHERMAN. HE SAID THAT THE OTHER TOWNS DON'T HAVE THE LAW THAT WE HAVE. WELL, THE OTHER TOWNS DON'T HAVE A AARON SCHMID WHO, WHO, WHO WROTE THAT THE TREE LAW. IT TOOK HIM, UH, A FEW YEARS AND HE WROTE THAT MANUAL. AND SO IT'S A EXCELLENT MANUAL. SO WE GIVE CREDIT TO AARON, WHO'S A LICENSED ARBORIST WHO WROTE THAT LAW. THANK YOU, MR. SUN, YOU'RE HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, ANYTHING ELSE FROM, FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO THE PUBLIC? OKAY. AARON, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, WE DO. SO LET ME JUST STOP THE SHARE SCREEN MOMENTARILY. OKAY. AGAIN, AS YOU YOU'RE SETTING THAT UP, I JUST WANNA REMIND PEOPLE THAT WE'RE SPEAKING ONLY ABOUT THIS PROJECT NOW, THE BODY SUBDIVISION. UM, KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THAT AND IF SOMEONE HAS MADE THE SAME COMMENT YOU HAVE, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO RATHER THAN REPEAT IT, IS SAY THAT YOU AGREE WITH IT. OKAY. IN THE INTERESTED TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU HONOR, GO AHEAD. OH, SURE. SO WE DID HAVE, UH, SHELDON CY SIGN UP, UH, AHEAD OF TIME AND REQUEST THE LINK. I BELIEVE, UM, THAT INDIVIDUAL HE'S ON, WANTED TO SPEAK. HE'S ON. I CAN SEE. I'M ON. GOOD. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. GOOD EVENING. I'M GLAD THAT YOU GUYS CAN HEAR ME. UH, I HAD SOME, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT THE, THE ENTIRE PROJECT. UH, IT SEEMS THAT THAT IS, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A VERY, VERY AGGRESSIVE PROJECT FOR THAT AREA. UM, YOU KNOW, THE TRA YOU SAID, YOU GUYS SAID YOU DID A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND EVERYTHING. UH, I, I LOOK AT ALL OF THE HOMES, NINE NEW HOMES ON HERE, UH, ANY GIVEN WEEKEND, UH, EVERYBODY'S HAVING A COOKOUT OR ET CETERA, ET CETERA. THERE'S 2, 3, 4, UH, FRIENDS OVER WHATEVER. WHAT IS THAT GONNA DO TO THE PARKING IN THIS ENTIRE AREA? I LIVE ON SEARS AVENUE, WHICH IS ONE BLOCK OVER. UH, HAVE THEY, HAVE THEY DONE ANY, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH ALL THE PARKING AROUND THAT IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WILL BE TAKEN UP BY COMPANY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, UH, WITH THEIR FRIENDS AND WHATEVER COMING OVER AND ALL OF THAT. IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL PARKING ANYWHERE ELSE AROUND WHERE THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO PARK INSTEAD OF COMING OUT INTO OUR STREETS AND, AND TAKING UP OUR SPACES? DID YOU, SO MR. CII, WE APPRECIATE THAT COMMENT AND WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT ALL THE COMMENTS AND THEN HAVE THE APPLICANT RESPOND. YES. WERE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT YOU HAD? AND WE'LL JUST ASK THE APPLICANT TO TAKE SOME NOTES AND THEN RESPOND TO YOU ONCE YOU'RE THROUGH. YES. UH, YEAH. AND, AND WHAT ARE THE SIZES OF THESE HOMES? UH, ARE, ARE THESE HOMES LIKE GIGANTIC OR, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY SQUARE FOOT FOOTAGE OR INFORMATION ON THE SIZE OF THESE HOMES. I WAS INTERESTED IN THAT ALSO. OKAY. WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT RESPOND TO THAT. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN ASKED PREVIOUSLY, BUT, UH, IT MAY HAVE BEEN SOMETHING WHERE YOU HADN'T SEEN THAT DISCUSSION OR BEEN ON THE SITE VISIT, BUT WE'LL [01:30:01] DEFINITELY GET YOU AN ANSWER THERE. WE HAVE THE DRAWING. AND DAVID, YOU, MR. YANG, YOU HAVE DRAWINGS. I THINK THAT YOU, YOU DID JUST TO KINDA SHOW HOW THEY FIT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YES, WE'LL DO THAT. WE'LL REACH ALL THAT AT THE AFTER, AT THE END. I'M JUST SAYING THAT THEY ARE AVAILABLE. MM-HMM. . YEAH. OKAY. UH, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I DID THE WALK AROUND THE LAST TIME YOU GUYS WERE OVER THERE, AND I WAS JUST VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE TWO ISSUES AT FRONT. UH, I SEE WHERE YOU GUYS HAVE CHANGED THE TWO HOMES ON THE CORNER, UH, UH, UH, PAYNE STREET. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY PARKING ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET AT ALL. UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WON'T BE ANY, UH, THE WAY THAT IT'S SET UP NOW. SO I WAS JUST VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS. THANK YOU. WHO ELSE DO WE HAVE? AARON? UM, THAT WAS IT. UM, FOR THOSE THAT HAD SIGNED UP AHEAD OF TIME, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC AT THIS TIME THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT? OKAY. UM, MR. YOUNG, DO YOU WANNA RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS FOR, FOR MR. SEARCY, PLEASE? I CAN. UM, AND THAT'S WHY THE BOARD ALREADY KIND OF RAISED THIS ISSUE WHERE THEY WERE VERY HEAVILY ON THE, UH, THE DOUBLE PARKING, UM, ON THE STREET ITSELF, ON THE LOOP. UH, THERE, THERE IS A LOT OF HOUSES. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING. UH, I DO AGREE WITH YOU, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS OVER, UH, WE DID OUR BEST TO KIND OF CREATE A BIGGER DRIVEWAY TO HA TO FIT MORE PEOPLE. UM, AND THAT'S, AND I, I THINK WE DID A GREAT JOB WITH THAT. HAVING DOUBLE PARKING. IF YOU LOOKED AT THE, WE CREATED A ZIP IT, I THINK IT WAS THE PARKING SPOTS ITSELF ON TWO, THE PROPERTY LINES ARE 20 BY 18, WHICH FIT TWO VERY BIG, UH, SUVS. THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT SMALL CARS. AND THEN YOU ACTUALLY HAVE THE ADDITIONAL PARKING FROM, FROM THE, UM, THE HOUSE ITSELF. UM, SO I, I THINK WE DID OUR BEST WITH THE, UH, WITH WHAT WE, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WE CAN DEVELOP. SO IS EVERYONE SEEING THE DRIVEWAY EXHIBIT AT THIS TIME? YES. OKAY. SO I'LL TAKE THAT DOWN AND THEN, UM, I CAN SHOW, I THINK I HAVE THE RENDERINGS THAT WERE DONE. YES. I, I, I DO APOLOGIZE. I DO NOT HAVE THE EXACT NUMBERS WITH ME, BUT, UM, THE HOUSES FIT VERY WELL WITH THE, THE, THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY. THEY'RE NOT LARGER, THEY'RE NOT SMALLER. UM, THEY, THE HEIGHTS ARE VERY SIMILAR. UM, SO AARON CAN SHOW 'EM. THESE ARE DEVELOP, UH, THREE D RENDERINGS OF A KIND OF WHAT WILL BE THERE. UM, YOU CAN SEE THE HOUSES AROUND THE AREA ON, UH, PAYNE NORTH LAWN AND, UH, WINTHROP. UM, THEY'RE VERY, VERY SIMILAR. UM, YOU GIVE THE APPROXIMATE SQUARE FEET OF, UH, THE SMALLER THE SM FROM THE SMALLEST TO THE LARGEST. UM, I JUST GIMME ONE SECOND TO DOUBLE CHECK FOR YOU. I BELIEVE THEY'RE A LITTLE OVER 1200 SQUARE FEET. I, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE. UH, 1200. YOU REALLY, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE FOOTPRINT. ISN'T THAT THE FOOTPRINT? THAT'S THE FOOTPRINT, YEAH, THAT'S THE FOOTPRINT. IT'S GOTTA BE BIGGER THAN THAT OF THE BUILDING. AND THEY'RE TWO STORIES, RIGHT? YEAH, THERE ARE TWO STORIES. SO IT'D BE A DOUBLE, LIKE 22 OR 25. UH, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF ROUGHLY HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE YOU WOULD HAVE FOR THE HOUSE. OKAY. OKAY. I'LL JUST SCROLL THROUGH THE REST OF THE RENDERINGS HERE. AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD WAS, UH, UH, ALIGNED WITH YOU ON EXACTLY THE SAME ISSUE. THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF DEVELOPED, UH, A RENDERING ON HOW IT WOULD FIT WITH THE COMMUNITY. THERE, THERE WERE OTHER PARK. IS THERE, HOW FAR DOWN THE STREET THERE? A PARK? YES. DOWN PA UP PAYNE STREET. ABOUT A, WHAT'S THAT? A BLOCK OR TWO UP? THAT'S ALL COUPLE BLOCKS? YEAH. YEP. IT'S LIKE THREE BLOCKS AWAY. THERE'S ALSO ABOUT MARO. YES. I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF IT DAVE, BUT THERE'S A PARK THERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL. THERE'S A PARKING LOT THAT MAY BE ATTACHED TO THAT MEXICAN RESTAURANT. I'M NOT SURE. IT IS THE BANK. UH, AND THAT'S MISS, MISS ARROW PARK DOWN THERE? YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. THAT'S NOT TOO FAR FROM, FROM THIS. IF YOU HAVE A HUGE PARTY. YEP. AND THEY DO HAVE A LOT OF A PARKING SPOT. OKAY. UM, ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC WANNA SPEAK ON THIS? I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS ONCE, TWICE SOLD ON THAT CASE. AARON? UM, WE PROBABLY WANT TO LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN FOR A WEEK TILL THE 12TH. YEAH, THAT, THAT'S WHAT STAFF WAS THINKING AT THIS TIME. OKAY. UM, THAT GIVES THE APPLICANT SOME TIME TO GET THE REVISED AND FINAL PLAN IN WITH THE, UH, PREVIOUS MATERIAL DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU DECIDE, AN ASPHALT [01:35:01] OR, UH, A PAVER. SO, UH, IF WE COULD GET THAT IN BY, UH, WEDNESDAY THE 12TH, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. IS THAT DOABLE, DAVID? YES, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT. OKAY. UH, IN THAT CASE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS PROJECT. LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN TILL THE 12TH OF JANUARY. CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US MOVE. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. AND I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SECTION OF OUR MEETING THIS EVENING. SO MOVED. I A SECOND PLEASE. AS JOHANN SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, SO WE'RE, WE'RE CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING TO AND GOING BACK INTO WORK SESSION. BYE, BARBARA. HEY, BARBARA. THANK YOU. GOODNIGHT, BARBARA. BYE BARBARA. HI EVERYONE. THANK YOU. TRY SAFELY. I WILL . BYE-BYE. GOODNIGHT. OKAY. UM, WE'RE INTO NEW BUSINESS NOW, I BELIEVE AARON AND IT'S PATEL. THAT'S CORRECT. NEXT. SO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 28 PATEL, UH, FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 25 BAYBERRY ROAD, P O ELMSFORD, IN THE R 41 FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT SEEKS A WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION OF AN EXISTING ONE, FAMILY DWELLING AND CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ONE. FAMILY DWELLING PREDOMINANTLY WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING RESIDENCE WITH RELATED IMPROVEMENTS. THE WATERCOURSE AND WATERCOURSE BUFFER AREA ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 35,591 SQUARE FEET AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING APPROXIMATELY 5,670 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE, 5,670 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE ALL WITHIN THE REGULATED BUFFER AREA AS THERE'S NO DIRECT DISTURBANCE TO THE WATER COURSE PROPOSED. THE APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY APPLIED FOR IT AND WAS GRANTED A MINOR PROJECT WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT AS PART OF CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH ZERO TWO, INVOLVING RESIDENTIAL ADDITIONS TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTS. FOLLOWING APPROVAL OF THAT PROJECT, THE APPLICANT PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS TO ITS PLANS, WHICH NECESSITATE A NEW WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT APPROVAL AS DETERMINED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AND TOWN WETLANDS INSPECTOR. THE APPLICANT MET WITH THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 9TH, WHICH ISSUED A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ON DECEMBER 13TH, COPIES OF WHICH WERE PROVIDED IN THE APPLICANT'S SUBMITTAL THAT WENT OUT TO THE BOARD IN YOUR PACKAGES. THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD FOLLOWING TONIGHT'S WORK SESSION. THE PLANNING BOARD WILL DECIDE WHETHER THE PROJECT IS READY TO BE SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING OR IF IT REQUIRES AN ADDITIONAL WORK SESSION. I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES. UH, NOW MR. BUCK AARON, THANK YOU FOR THE INTRODUCTION. UH, FOR THE RECORD. RUBEN BUCK ENGINEERING AND SURVEYING PROPERTIES. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. UH, BYRON PATEL, IF I MAY, I'LL SHARE MY SCREEN WITH ALL YOU SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE PROJECT I, SO AS AARON MENTIONED, THE UH, SCOPE OF THE PROJECT IS THE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING HOUSE OF 25 BAY AREA. JUST BLOW IT UP A LITTLE BIT, PLEASE. A LITTLE BIT MORE. THAT BETTER? YES. THANK YOU. SO CURRENT HOUSE, HOUSE FALLS MOSTLY WITHIN THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. THERE IS A ONE STORY GARAGE THAT IS CURRENTLY, UM, OVER THE SIDE DART SETBACK, WHICH IS GONNA BE REMOVED AS PART OF THE, UH, PROPOSAL WE HAVE SHOWN ON THE PLAN. THE DRAINAGE COURSE IN QUESTION RUNS ALONG THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE HERE DOWN TO THE CATCH BASIN, UH, WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY. UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE BUFFER AREA, A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER AREA TAKES UP MOST OF THE PARCEL. THE HOUSE IS ALMOST ENTIRELY LOCATED WITHIN THAT BUFFER AREA. AND, UM, AS IT EXISTS NOW, THE CLOSEST POINT OF THE STRUCTURE TO THE CENTER LINE OF THE WATER COURSE IS 23 FEET APPROXIMATELY. I'M GONNA SWITCH PAGES HERE AND SHOW THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS. SO, AS I MENTIONED, THE EXISTING GARAGE THAT IS OVER THE SETBACK LINE IS GONNA BE REMOVED AND AND BROUGHT BACK INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. UM, FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE GENERALLY FALLS WITHIN THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT AND THE NEW RESIDENCE IS GONNA BE EIGHT APPROXIMATELY 18 FEET FROM THE CENTER LINE OF THE WATERCOURSE. SO IT'S MOVE SLIGHTLY CLOSER. NEXT SHEET WE HAVE HERE IS SHOWING THE EROSION AND SOME CONTROL [01:40:01] PRACTICES THAT ARE GONNA IMPLEMENT IT TO PROTECT THE WATERCOURSE. AS AN, UH, AARON MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE'S NO DIRECT IMPACT TO THE WATER COURSE. WE'RE ONLY, UH, DOING WORK WITHIN THE BUFFER AREA. UH, WE'VE GOT ORANGE CONSTRUCTION FENCE THAT IS PROPOSED ALONG, UM, IN LINE WITH THE WATER COURSE, JUST SO IT'S CLEAR TO CONTRACTORS THAT THAT AREA IS NOT TO BE, UH, DISTURBED IN ANY WAY. UH, SOME SILL FENCE WILL ALSO LINE THE AREA WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION IS GONNA BE OCCURRING, UH, TO KEEP DEBRIS AND SILT FROM ENTERING THE WATERCOURSE. CONCRETE WASHOUT IS PROPOSED IN THE FRONT YARD FOR ANY, UH, FOUNDATION WORK THAT WAY. AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY, UH, CONCRETE TRUCKS, UH, CLEANING OUT IN THE YARD ITSELF. THEY'LL HAVE A DESIGNATED AREA TO CLEAN OUT, UH, AFTER THEIR, UH, CONCRETE IS POURED. NEXT SHEET I'LL GO TO IS LANDSCAPING. THIS IS, UH, AARON AND I WORKED, UM, THROUGH THIS JUST BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS. THERE ARE NO TREES BEING REMOVED AS PART OF THIS PROPOSAL, UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY, UH, WITH NEW WORK WE WANT TO TAKE THIS TIME AND, AND TAKE CARE OF ENHANCING THE, THE WATERCOURSE IN THE WETLAND AREA NOW. SO THERE'S, UH, SEVERAL TREES PROPOSED, SOME SMALLER SHRUBS PROPOSED, SHOWN HERE ON THE PLAN, UH, JUST BETWEEN THE NEW RESIDENTS AND THE, UH, DRAINAGE COURSE. UH, PLANTING INFORMATION IS PROVIDED ON THIS SHEET. AND THEN ON THE FINAL SHEET WE'RE PROVIDING DETAILS FOR, UM, E N SS PRACTICES PLANTING. AND, UH, ACTUALLY FORGOT TO MENTION, UM, IMPORTANTLY THE, THIS BACK PATIO AREA IS GONNA BE, UH, PERVIOUS. IT'S GONNA BE FLAGSTONE AND CONSTRUCTED IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT'S GONNA REDUCE THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS ON THE SITE. UH, I BELIEVE WE HAVE THAT DETAIL ON THIS PAGE HERE. SO AS IT EXISTS NOW, WE TECHNIC TECHNICALLY IF, IF IT'S IMPERVIOUS PAVER, IT DOESN'T COUNT IN OUR TOWN, UNFORTUNATELY AS IMPERVIOUS, BUT WE DO APPRECIATE THE EFFORT. OH, OKAY. IT'S JUST THE WAY OUR, IT'S JUST THE WAY OUR RULES AND OUR TOWN WORK. IT SHOULD BE CHANGED, BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW. OKAY. WELL THAT BEING SAID, I WON'T SHARE THE IMPERVIOUS CALCULATIONS, IS THAT THAT WILL CHANGE THE, THE CALCULATIONS AS WE HAVE 'EM ON THE PLAN. UH, YOU'RE RIGHT. THE TOWN NEEDS TO, THE TOWN NEEDS TO UPDATE, UPDATE THE, UPDATE OUR CODE IN THAT, THAT WAY. 'CAUSE WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND TO DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING. SO, SO THAT BEING SAID, I'D BE HAPPY TO HEAR ANYTHING ELSE, ANY COMMENTS THE BOARD MAY HAVE AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANY CHANGES WE NEED TO MAKE TO THE PLAN BEFORE BEING PREPARED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. DO YOU HAVE AN OVER, DO YOU HAVE A A ANYTHING THAT OVERLAYS THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT WITH, UH, YOUR PROPOSAL? IS THERE A WAY YOU CAN DO WE DO NOT. I CAN. YEAH, THAT, THAT'S HELPFUL. WE CAN PREPARE A PLAN THAT, SORRY, GO AHEAD, AARON. UH, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. UH, THAT IS HELPFUL. BUT IF THE BOARD, IF YOU CAN PREPARE SOMETHING PERHAPS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IF YOU SWITCH BACK AND FORTH, YOU GET A SENSE BETWEEN THE TWO? YEAH, IT'S JUST, IT'S, I SEE, I SEE. IT LOOKS LIKE, I ASSUME THIS IS NORTH, SOUTH, RIGHT? THE SOUTHERN PORTION? YEAH. NORTH, YEAH. THE SOUTHERN PORTION GETS A LITTLE CLOSER, A LITTLE ABOUT FIVE FEET CLOSER TO THE WATERCOURSE. CORRECT. 23 TO 18 FEET. YEAH. FEET. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM PE UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? UH, I HAVE A, I, UH, TOM, BEN WALTER, GO AHEAD. TOM. HEY, DON'T FORGET ME. OH, I'M SORRY MICHAEL. I DIDN'T SEE YOUR HAND UP. I THINK MICHAEL HAD HIS HAND UP BEFORE ME. OKAY. MICHAEL, YOU FIRST THEN TO TOM. GO PLEASE, PLEASE TOM, MICHAEL AND WALTER. THEN I'LL PICK HIM OUTTA MY HAT. TOM, GO PLEASE. I, I HAVE A QUESTION AS MUCH FOR AARON AS, AS FOR, UH, MR. BUCK. SO TYPICALLY THESE DAYS, WHENEVER WE SEE, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION, WE SEE SOME KIND OF STORM WATER RETENTION AND MITIGATION, AND I DON'T SEE ANY HERE. NOW THIS IS A KIND OF DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE'RE TEARING DOWN ONE HOUSE AND BUILDING ANOTHER. BUT AARON, DOES THERE NOT NEED TO BE ANY KIND OF ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS CAPTURE FROM WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE? SO A MANU FIRST ASK, UH, MR. BUCK TO REPLY, HE MAY HAVE HAD DIRECT CONVERSATIONS WITH THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING. I HAVE NOT. I CAN GIVE MY OPINION FOLLOWING MR. BUCK'S RESPONSE. THANK YOU. SO I JUST REALIZED, UH, AT THIS MEETING THAT THE, UH, THE PERVIOUS FLAGSTONE IS NOT GONNA COUNT AS A PERVY SERVICE. SO OUR INITIAL INTENTION WAS TO ULTIMATELY, UM, DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER IN THE PROPOSED CONDITION. SO BY DECREASING THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER, THERE'S GONNA BE LESS STORMWATER RUNOFF BECAUSE THERE'S LESS PIOUS, [01:45:01] OR I'M SORRY, THERE'S LESS IMPERVIOUS SURFACES THE WATER'S GONNA SHEEP ROLL OFF OF. THAT'S WHY WE WEREN'T PROPOSING ANY, UM, STORMWATER DETENTION PRACTICES. AND, AND THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE. HOWEVER, IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THE PAVERS, UM, THE FLAGSTONE BEHIND THE HOUSE, UH, ARE IN FACT GONNA BE COUNTED TOWARDS IMPERVIOUS, UM, COUPLED WITH THE FACT THAT THE BOARDS BROUGHT IT UP. AND I SHOULD SAY EVEN THIRDLY, THAT THE PRIOR APPLICATION INVOLVING ADDITIONS AND ALTERATIONS, AS I RECALL, THERE WERE TWO CULTEC UNITS, UM, PUT TO THE REAR, UH, UH, INTO THE REAR YARD, UM, PROBABLY OFF THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE HOUSE. UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK SHOULD BE LOOKED INTO AND, AND PROVIDED IN ADVANCE OF A PUBLIC HEARING AND COORDINATED WITH OUR BUREAU. WHICH WAY DOES THE GREAT, WHICH WAY DOES THE GRADE GO ON THE PROPERTY? PRETTY FLAT, BUT, UH, I'LL LET MR. BOAT, HE'S FLAT. HE'S FLAT. YES. IT'S, IT'S GENERALLY FLAT, OBVIOUSLY SLOPES, UH, SLIGHTLY SOUTHEAST, UH, TOWARD THE DRAINAGE COURSE. THE DRAINAGE COURSE PRETTY MUCH PICKS UP, UM, A FAIR AMOUNT OF, SO THE TEX WOULD HAVE TO BE ON THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING. RIGHT. RIGHT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE, AS AARON MENTIONED, THAT'S WHERE IT WAS INITIALLY PROPOSED WITH THE PREVIOUS SUBMISSION. UH, THE PREVIOUS SUBMISSION WAS PROPOSING AN INCREASE IN, IN IMPERVIOUS SURFACES. I, I THINK IT'S SPOKE SOUTHWEST. AM I WRONG DOWN TOWARD THE, UH, DRAIN BY THE STREET? YES, WE JUST SAID MICHAEL. YEAH, RIGHT. THE WATERCOURSE GOES DOWN TOWARD THE CATCH BASIN AND BAYBERRY ROAD. OKAY. BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, MICHAEL, YOU HAD COMMENT. SORRY, CAN I JUST FINISH YOU? SORRY. OH, I'M SORRY, JOHN, GO AHEAD. THAT THE, UH, ALL THE WATER FROM THE IMPERVIOUS SERVICES HAS TO BE CAPTURED ON SITE. NOW, MAYBE THE OLD HOUSE DIDN'T DO THAT BECAUSE IT WAS BUILT A LONG TIME AGO. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING OF, AND I MAY BE WRONG, IS THAT ANY WATER COMING OFF OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACES ON THIS APPLICATION AS IT IS NOW, NEEDS TO BE CAPTURED ON SITE. I HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING THE PATIO WOULD'VE DONE THAT. AND UNFORTUNATELY IT DOESN'T COUNT. SO IT SEEMS TO ME SOMETHING ELSE IS NEEDED. SO, SO MR. HAY, I THINK, AND I WILL DOUBLE CHECK THIS WITH THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT EXISTS ON THE PROPERTY, UM, YOU CAN GET SOME CREDIT FOR WHAT EXISTS IN TERMS OF THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IMPERVIOUS SERVICES, AND YOU ONLY ARE OBLIGATED BY THE CODE TO CAPTURE, HANDLE AND TREAT ONSITE, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE NEW IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. A ACTUALLY, AARON, I THINK THE WAY, I THINK THE WAY IT WORKS IS YOU TAKE WHAT THE RUNOFF WAS ON BUILT OH, CURRENTLY VERSUS PROPOSED. ABSOLUTELY PROPOSED. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY THERE IT HAS TO BE LESS THAN THE PROPOSED THAN OR EQUAL OR LESS, NO NET INCREASE. RIGHT, RIGHT. NO NET INCREASE THAT, THAT'S THE WAY THE LAW READS. WHICH BY THE WAY, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF FUNNY. I WONDER IF THERE'S A WAY THEY COULD CALCULATE THE IMPERVIOUS. I GUESS YOU CAN'T, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO COUNT IT A IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, BECAUSE I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD COUNT THOSE FLAGSTONE IN THAT WAY, BUT I GUESS YOU CAN'T BECAUSE OF THE WAY OUR LAW READS, IT'S INCONSISTENT. BUT THOSE CULT TEXTS SHOULD SOLVE THAT, I WOULD THINK. YES. I TEND TO THINK SO AS WELL. AND WE'LL HAVE, UH, MR. BUCK WORK ON THAT WITH OUR BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, UH, IN ADVANCE OF WHENEVER THE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED. OKAY. UH, I, I, I THINK I'M GONNA LET THE OTHER MEMBERS SPEAK AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER, HOW MUCH TIME MR. BUCK WOULD NEED. OKAY. MICHAEL, I THINK YOU WERE NEXT. TELL ME DOWN. I'M SORRY. YOU DONE MICHAEL, YOU'RE NEXT. OKAY, SO I, I HAVE A QUESTION AND A COMMENT. UM, MR. BUCK, YOU KNOW, SOUTH OF THE, UH, THAT WATER, WELL, LET ME BACK UP. I, I WAS THERE YESTERDAY. YOU KNOW, IT HAD BEEN RAINING VERY KIND OF LIGHTLY FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS, AND THERE WAS WATER RUNNING DOWN THE WATER COURSE. THAT'S JUST AN OBSERVATION. UM, BUT SOUTH OF THE WATER COURSE, IT'S A, UM, OVERGROWN MESS. I DON'T KNOW THE PLANTS THAT ARE IN THERE, BUT I'M SURE THEY'RE ALL INVASIVE SPECIES. AND I, MY GUESS MY QUESTION IS TO MR. BUCK, DO YOU WANNA LEAVE IT THAT WAY OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE IT ALONG OR SOMETHING ELSE? I CAN, I CAN RUN THAT BY THE APPLICANT. I BELIEVE THE INTENTION WAS MOVING ON HERE, SO I CAN SPEAK ON THAT. OH, OKAY. SO MY, MY INTENTION ULTIMATELY IS TO MAKE THAT A, A LOAN. [01:50:01] SO I DIDN'T WANT TO CONFUSE THE ISSUE BY BRINGING MULTIPLE CHANGES TO THE PROPERTY. SO YES, IF YOU ASK ME IN THE FUTURE, ONCE I HAVE ENOUGH CAPITAL, AND IF I WANNA IMPROVE IT, THAT'S THE ULTIMATE GOAL. AND IF THERE IS A WAY, I MEAN, I'VE SEEN IN OTHER PROPERTIES AND OTHER LOTS WHERE I COULD, UM, EVEN THAT WATERCOURSE, UH, HAVE SOME SORT OF, UH, COVERAGE ON IT SO MY CHILDREN DON'T HAVE TO CROSS OVER THE WATERCOURSE TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LAWN. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I COULD DISCUSS WITH RUBEN AND AARON TO SEE WHAT THE BEST, UH, PLAN OF ACTION IS. WELL, A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ON THAT. LOOK, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT WERE MY HOUSE, WHICH IT'S NOT, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY OR THE ABILITY TO TURN THAT INTO A LAWN. 'CAUSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY A MESS. UM, AND I THINK IF YOU WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT A LAWN THERE, YOU SHOULD REVISE YOUR APPLICATION TO ADD THAT. THAT'S GONNA BE ADDITIONAL DISTURBANCE. BUT FRANKLY, THE WAY IT IS NOW, IT'LL BE MUCH IMPROVED IN MY VIEW, BY A LAWN. YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF GETTING OVER THERE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF NICE LITTLE WALKWAYS, BRIDGES WOULD BE FINE. UM, COVERING THE WATERCOURSE AND I KIND OF DEFER TO AARON ON THIS IS A WHOLE OTHER THING. IT'S PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO. AND THAT WATERCOURSE IS NOT VERY DEEP. NOBODY'S GONNA GET HURT AT IT. UM, SO THAT'S MY COMMENT, UH, ON THAT. AND THEN I DO HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT, BUT AARON, DO YOU WANT TO JUMP IN? IF, IF I MAY. THANK YOU MR. GOLDEN. SO I WOULD JUST STATE THAT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT MR. GOLDEN, THAT, UM, COVERING THE WATERCOURSE IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME AND ANIMAL THAN, UM, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A, A COUPLE OF, UM, LITTLE WOODEN CROSSINGS HERE OR THERE. I WOULD SAY THAT WITH RESPECT TO KIND OF CLEANING UP AND MODIFYING THE AREA ON THE OTHER SIDE TO TURN IT INTO A MAINTAINED LAWN, UH, OUR CODE DOES ALLOW THAT, UM, ROUTINE LANDSCAPING IS PERMITTED WITHOUT EVEN NECESSITATING A PERMIT THROUGH THE BOARD. HOWEVER, IF YOU WERE GONNA REGRADE THE AREA, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF IT'S HAPPENS TO BE MORE SLOPED ON A, ON THAT OTHER SIDE, I, I TEND TO THINK IT'S JUST AS FLAT MORE OR LESS, BUT I CAN'T RECALL 100%. IF YOU POINT BEING, IF YOU NEED TO REGRADE AND DISTURB THE SOIL BEYOND JUST KIND OF CUTTING DOWN VEGETATION AND, AND LAYING DOWN GRASS SEED, THAT COULD REQUIRE A PERMIT THROUGH THE BOARD. SO IF YOU WERE LOOKING TO DO THAT IN THE FUTURE, YOU MAY WANT TO ADD IT TO THE PLAN AND JUST COVER IT UNDER THIS PERMIT. UM, SO LOOK, MY SUGGESTION TO THE APPLICANT IS SPEAK TO YOUR ENGINEER. I MEAN, WHEN I WAS THERE, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE REGRADED. YOU KNOW, THAT SOUTH OF THE WATERCOURSE ALSO EAST OF THE, UH, THAT BIG TREE, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE SAME MESS BACK THERE. UM, WHICH IS PROBABLY ALSO WITHIN THE A HUNDRED, YOU KNOW, THE A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER. UM, I WOULD SPEAK TO THE ENGINEER, YOUR ENGINEER, SPEAK TO AARON, SEE IF YOU COULD CLEAN THAT UP, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT AMENDING YOUR APPLICATION OR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE TO AMEND YOUR APPLICATION, JUST THINK ABOUT THAT. SO TAKE CARE OF THAT NOW SO YOU DON'T RUN INTO PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE WHEN YOU WANNA MAKE A NICE LAWN FOR YOUR KIDS. OKAY, SO THAT'S MY QUESTION AND COMMENT THEN. THEN I HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT, WHICH IS THIS, UM, THAT WATERCOURSE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A DITCH, IT'S A FOOT, FOOT AND A HALF WIDE. AT ONE POINT, IT'S TWO FEET DEEP TOWARD THE EAST. IT'S DOWN TO MAYBE SIX INCHES OR A FOOT, YOU KNOW, TOWARD THE WESTERN SIDE. IT'S GOT A LE LOT OF LEAVES IN IT. THERE'S SOME CRAP IN IT. UM, MY SUGGESTION TO THE APPLICANT IS KEEP THAT CLEAN SO THAT YOU DON'T CLOG UP THE DRAIN BY THE STREET AND END UP FLOODING UP, FLOODING YOUR PROPERTY. THAT'S IT. I'M DONE. THANK YOU. MICHAEL. ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD HAVE A COMMENT? YEAH, I HAVE COMMENT. UH, KURT AND THEN WALTER, UH, WHERE IS THE DRIVEWAY OR FROM THE GARAGE TO, SO IT, SO HERE'S THE GARAGE. IT'S THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, RIGHT? . OKAY. SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SOMEWHAT, THERE'S A RETAINING WALL, SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE ANGLED A BIT. IS THAT ACCURATE? YES. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE CURB CUT IS OFF THE ROAD. MM-HMM. . YEAH. OKAY. AND YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA KEEP THE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA REPAY THE THINGS WHEN YOU GONNA BUILD THE WHOLE NEW HOUSE? [01:55:02] UM, REPAY WHAT SIR? THE DRIVEWAY. THE DRIVEWAY, UM, IF NECESSARY, YES. I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE JUST, UH, ASPHALT, RIGHT? JUST, BUT IT'LL BE THE EXISTING, UM, UH, DIMENSIONS. OKAY. JUST RESURFACE IT PROBABLY. YEAH. RETUR IT. OKAY. SO MY SUGGESTION IS THAT JUST PUT IT WHATEVER YOU'RE GONNA DO IT SO THAT YOU GET THE, ALL THE THINGS DONE AT A FIRST, AT THESE APPLICATIONS, RATHER THAN HAVING TO KIND OF, UH, UNLESS THEY'RE GONNA RE REGRADE THE DRIVEWAY. CORRECT. HE CAN REPAVE IT WITHOUT, UH, HAVING TO CHANGE THE PLAN, I BELIEVE. RIGHT. OKAY. I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE. AND HE, RIGHT NOW IT'S THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY. I DON'T THINK HE HAS TO TELL US WHETHER HE'S GONNA REPAVE IT AT THIS POINT AS LONG AS HE DOESN'T REGRADE IT. IS THAT CORRECT, AARON? YES. THANK YOU. WALTER. UH, KURT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? UM, ABOUT THE, UH, I THINK, UH, THAT'S IT. OKAY. THANK YOU, WALTER, YOU WERE NEXT? UH, YEAH. UM, I WAS OUT THERE. I TOOK A LOOK TODAY. UH, I AGREE WITH, UH, MOST OF WHAT, UH, MICHAEL INDICATED IF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THINGS YOU COULD DO, AND IF YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT MAKING A MAJOR, UH, A SIGNIFICANT REGRADING, YOU COULD JUST PUT THAT IN THE PLANT. THE ONLY THING I WAS THINKING OF, UH, AT THAT DITCH IS, UH, AND THIS IS REALLY TO ADD, AARON, WOULD, UH, UH, COULD YOU PLANT, UH, UM, WATER TYPES OF PLANTS IN THAT DISH AND BECOMES, UH, MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE? IS THAT, WOULD THAT IN ANY WAY IMPEDE THE WATER FLOW? UM, IT, IF IT WAS A, A, A WIDER AND KIND OF MEANDERING TYPE COURSE, PERHAPS I'D SUGGEST IT, BUT IT'S SO NARROW, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY, IT, IT'S ONLY A FOOT OR TWO WIDE. YES. UM, AND, AND SIX INCHES. SO THAT'S WHY INSTEAD OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I HAD WORKED WITH MR. BUCK ON COMING UP WITH A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT PROVIDES A, A TIERED LANDSCAPE DESIGNED BETWEEN THE AREA OF THE PROPOSED WORK AND THE, THE WATERCOURSE. SO IT'S IN THE LAWN AREA. UM, BUT WE DO HAVE TREES IN THE RIVER BIRCHES, WHICH WILL HELP SOAK UP SOME WATER. UM, SOME SHRUBS, WHICH ARE THE VIBURNUM, THE WOULD BY BURNUM, AND THEN THE SWITCH GRASS, WHICH IS A SMALLER KIND OF FOUNTAIN GRASS. SO WE TRIED TO KIND OF PUT IN A, A TIERED EFFECT TO, YOU KNOW, UH, BEAUTIFY THINGS, IMPROVE THE BUFFER, CREATE SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL WATER ABSORPTION IN THAT AREA. AGAIN, THEY MENTIONED THEY'RE NOT TAKING DOWN ANY TREES AS PART OF IT, BUT I THINK IN THE CHANNEL ITSELF, IT MIGHT BE A DIFFICULT, UH, PROCESS. OKAY. THANK THAT IS MY POINT. THANK YOU, WALTER. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE BOARD? YEAH, AARON, WHAT IS A SWITCHGRASS? IS IT A KIND OF A BUSH OR TREE? UH, YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE, THOSE FOUNTAIN TYPE GRASSES THAT YOU KNOW. OH, OKAY. KIND OF FOUNTAIN OVER. THEY'RE MORE OF A, A, A DECORATIVE TYPE, DECORAT TYPE GRASS, BUT THEY'RE NATIVE, IT'S A NATIVE GRASS, NATIVE GRASS. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. UM, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD, UM, I THINK I SEE NO REASON WE CAN'T PUT THIS ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING AT THE NEXT MEETING. OUR, OUR SCHEDULE'S PRETTY OPEN EXCEPT FOR BLOOM. PLUME WILL TAKE A, A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME, I BELIEVE. MM-HMM. , BUT, UM, THERE'S NO REASON I, I COULD SEE, UM, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT FROM THE BOARD? UH, YEAH, I, I FINE, I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK. MY QUESTION REALLY IS FOR MR. BUCK. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REVISE THE IMPERVIOUS CALCULATIONS UPDATE, AND THEN PREPARE, YOU KNOW, A STORMWATER ANALYSIS AND, AND DESIGN, AND THEN THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE REVIEWED BY THE TOWN ENGINEER TOWNS BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE SHORT-STAFFED AT THIS TIME, UM, FOR MULTIPLE REASONS. THE QUESTION TO YOU, I SUPPOSE IS, AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, , BUT, UM, SO IF, IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER, I UNDERSTAND, BUT, UM, HOW LONG, HOW MANY DAYS WHEN DO YOU THINK YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET SOMETHING IN? BECAUSE I CAN'T EVEN ANSWER HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE OUR BUREAU OF ENGINEERING TODAY, UNFORTUNATELY. SO IF, IF WE REVISE THE, AND PROVIDE STORMWATER, IF THAT'S NOT REVIEWED BY THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, ARE WE STILL ABLE TO, UM, PARTICIPATE IN THE PUBLIC HEARING OR DOES THE PLAN HAVE TO BE REVIEWED PRIOR TO US BEING PLACED ON THE AGENDA FOR A PUBLIC HEARING? [02:00:01] WELL, I THINK THE FIRST QUESTION IS WHEN DO YOU, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, WHEN DO YOU THINK YOU CAN GET IT INTO THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING AND COPYING ME ON THE SUBMITTAL? PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. I, IT'S THANKFULLY WE, THIS, THE, THE DESIGN FOR THE STORMWATER WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY. RIGHT. UM, IF WE'RE ONLY HAVING TO MITIGATE THE INCREASE AND IMPERVIOUS FROM THE EXISTING CONDITION, UH, THAT'S, IT'S GONNA RESULT IN, IN LIKELY A PRETTY SIMILAR SYSTEM. I BELIEVE THE INITIAL PROPOSAL ISN'T THAT MUCH DIFFERENT, UH, THAN THE ONE IN FRONT OF US TODAY. THE REASON IT WAS TRIGGERED TO COME BACK WAS 'CAUSE IT'S A COMPLETE DEMOLITION OF THE HOUSE AND NOT JUST, UH, UM, ALTERATIONS TO THE EXISTING ONE. RIGHT. SO I THINK TWO WEEKS IS A REASONABLE TIMELINE FOR US. OKAY. SO WITH THAT SAID, I HAVE THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS. ONE, I WOULD SAY BEFORE WE TALK TIMEFRAME, I WOULD SAY THAT BASED ON THE COMMENT, AT LEAST FROM MR. HAY AND, AND MR. HAY, FEEL FREE TO CHIME IN. UM, EVEN IF YOU'RE ONLY OBLIGATED TO PICK UP THE NET DIFFERENCE IN IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, THE BOARD, UM, OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS AND POSSIBLY EVEN LONGER, HAS ENCOURAGED APPLICANTS TO TAKE A HARD LOOK IF THERE ARE ANY, ANY OPPORTUNITIES TO IMPROVE UPON THE EXISTING CONDITION. MM-HMM. , UM, WE, YOU KNOW, I DO NOT KNOW IF THERE IS ANY STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM OUT ON THE EXISTING, UM, HOUSE. AND, AND IF THERE'S NOT, I'M SURE THERE WASN'T A REQUIREMENT AT THAT TIME, BUT IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO NOT ONLY JUST PICK UP THE NET INCREASE, BUT TO GO BEYOND THAT AND, AND, AND PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, A FURTHER BENEFIT TO THE DRAINAGE ON THE SITE AND THE RUNOFF FROM THE SITE MM-HMM. I THINK THAT WOULD BE ENCOURAGED BY THE BOARD AND SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULD PROBABLY TAKE A LOOK AT. AND THEN WOULD WE ALSO RECOMMEND AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE PAPERS THAT WE'RE PROPOSED, SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT YOU, WE KNOW IS POROUS WOULD ABSORB THE WATER AS WELL? IS THAT NO, WE KNOW IT'S POROUS YOHAN, THAT'S NOT THE PROBLEM. THE PROBLEM IS OUR CODE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY PROPOSING A POROUS FLAGSTONE PATIO. RIGHT. BUT THEY DON'T GET CREDIT UNDER THE CODE, SO 'CAUSE OF THE CODE. YEAH, RIGHT. IT'S NOT THERE. THE CODE IS THE, THE CODE IS THE ISSUE. THE CODE'S LACKING. THEY DON'T RECOGNIZE GRAVEL EITHER, SO, GOTCHA. BUT EVEN THE, UH, HU THE CODE IN CALCULATION OF PURVIEW SURFACE. BUT, UH, DOES THAT, UH, UH, ALSO, UH, ACCOUNT FOR RUNOFF? I, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT OF KURT, I THOUGHT ABOUT IT THE SAME WAY, BUT HOW DO YOU CALCULATE RUNOFF? YOU CALCULATE IT BASED ON AOUS SURFACE, RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE PROBLEM. YOU'RE RIGHT. OKAY. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY. SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE CODE THAT IS THE ISSUE HERE, UNFORTUNATELY, YES. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. ON THE OTHER THING THOUGH, TO WHAT AARON SAID AND, AND, AND WALTER WAS, WAS REALLY REINFORCING THIS LAST YEAR, AND, AND I THINK WE ALL AGREE, IS, YOU KNOW, ON THE ONE HAND WE NEED TO UPDATE THE CODE FOR THAT. ON THE OTHER HAND, WE SHOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S STILL CALLING A 25 YEAR STORM. 'CAUSE WE HAVE 25 YEAR STORM SEVERAL TIMES A YEAR. SO WE'RE, THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO ECO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE NOW FOR THE, THE SAKE OF THEIR OWN HOUSE, AS WELL AS THE NEIGHBORS LOOKING AT 50 YEAR STORMS WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT RUNOFF THESE DAYS. SO, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S THE ONLY REASON FOR THAT. SO BEING ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE ON RUNOFF IS A GOOD THING THESE DAYS. AB ABSOLUTELY. SO IF YOU CAN TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT WITH YOUR CALCULATIONS AND BE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE SOMETHING TO THE BOARD, UM, THAT I THINK THE END TO THE END TO THE TOWN ENGINEER TOWNS BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. IN LIGHT OF, UM, JUST THE FACT THAT THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING'S A, A LITTLE UNDERSTAFFED AND A, AND A LITTLE OVERWHELMED AT THE MOMENT, UM, UH, AND THE FACT THAT WE MAY NOT GET SOMETHING FOR A WEEK OR TWO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT EVERYTHING BE MORE OR LESS BUTTONED UP WITH RESPECT TO THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT GOING INTO THE HEARING. DOESN'T, I DON'T ABSOLUTELY NEED, YOU KNOW, THAT THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING HAS REVIEWED EVERY, UM, DETAIL WITH RESPECT TO THE ANALYSIS, BUT AT LEAST THE FACT THAT THEY'VE SEEN IT HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT AND CAN GIVE ME SOME PRELIMINARY FEEDBACK GOING INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT THE BOARD CONSIDER PUTTING THIS ON FOR ITS FEBRUARY 2ND PUBLIC HEARING. YEAH. AND THERE'S NO NEED FOR THE BOARD TO ACTUALLY TAKE A, A VOTE. SO, UH, IF, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GET EVERYTHING IN, UH, MR. BUCK, UH, AARON CAN GUIDE YOU TO, UH, SET UP THE DATE AND HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, IF FOR SOME REASON YOU RUN INTO A PROBLEM AND IT TAKES YOU LONGER, UH, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PUT IT ON FOR, UH, ANOTHER DATE, BUT WE'LL, BUT THE EARLIEST TO PENCIL IT [02:05:01] IN FOR THE, THE, UH, SECOND. RIGHT. THE EARLIEST WOULD BE THE SECOND. 'CAUSE WE, IF WE DON'T, DIDN'T AGREE TO IT TONIGHT, YOU'D NEVER BE ABLE TO NOTICE IT IN TIME, SO, RIGHT. UM, SO PLAN ON THE SEC. TRY TO SHOOT FOR THE SECOND MR. BUCK. OKAY. FOR, IT'S ON MY CALENDAR, PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. AND THE SOONER YOU GET THIS, THE, THE REVISED PLAN INTO MR. SCHMIDT, THE, THE BETTER CHANCE WE HAVE OF GETTING ON FOR THAT THAT NIGHT. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU ALL FOR A GOOD EVENING. OKAY. UM, WE HAVE ONE CASE THAT WAS NOT ON THE AGENDA, UM, AND THAT YES, IT, IT WAS A CASE THAT WE'VE HAD PREVIOUSLY IN FRONT OF US, WHICH IS, UH, DURGA TEMPLE. UM, I THINK KATE ROBERTS IS HERE FROM ZIN AND STEINITZ. HAPPY NEW YEAR. HAPPY NEW YEAR. OKAY. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD. HOW ARE YOU? UM, SO, UM, I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO, AARON, HOW DO YOU WANNA DESCRIBE THE SITU? DO YOU WANNA DESCRIBE THE SITUATION FOR EVERYONE AS TO WHERE WE'RE AT AND THEN WHAT DECISION WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY TRY TO MAKE TONIGHT? I DO HAVE A, A BRIEF INTRODUCTION AND THEN I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO MS. ROBERTS. SO, UH, AS CHAIR CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ INDICATED UNDER CORRESPONDENCE THIS EVENING, WE'LL BE DISCUSSING, UM, FORMER CASE NUMBER PB 20 DASH 19, THAT DURGA TEMPLE LOCATED AT 1880 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, P O WHITE PLAINS. UH, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING TO INFORM THE PLANNING BOARD AS TO THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE PROJECT AND ITS REQUESTS OF THE BOARD SO THAT THE PROJECT MAY MOVE FORWARD. I NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO APPEAR BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS IN CONNECTION WITH AN AREA OF VARIANCE, WHICH THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE WILL OUTLINE FOR US ALL. SO, THE BOARD FOLLOWING ITS DISCUSSION, MAY WISH TO CONSIDER ISSUING AN UPDATED RECOMMENDATION TO THE Z B A. UM, I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO MS. ROBERTS IN ADDITION, AND SHE'LL EXPLAIN THIS TO YOU IN A BIT, AND YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN IT IN THE PACKAGE MATERIALS, BUT THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING, UH, THE BOARD TO WEIGH IN ON ITS REQUEST FOR A SITE PLAN EXEMPTION IN CONNECTION WITH THIS MODIFICATION. SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MS. ROBERTS. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I DO HAVE MORE INFORMATION, BUT WANT TO, UM, TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT AND ITS REPRESENTATIVES AT THIS TIME. OKAY. BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO MS. ROBERTS. SO THERE ARE TWO THINGS THAT WERE CONSIDERING TONIGHT IN, IN THIS APPLICATION. ONE IS, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD AND THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION WHEN IT WAS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE, WE HAD GIVEN A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD, JUST FOR THE RECORD. AND SECONDLY, WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH A SITE PLAN WAIVER, OR DO WE ACTUALLY WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS SITE PLAN, REVIEW OURSELVES AGAIN. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO ISSUES THAT WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON TONIGHT. MS. ROBERTS, YOU'RE UP. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN SCHWARTZ. UH, GOOD EVENING FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS KATE ROBERTS WITH THE LAW FIRM OF ZAN AND STEINITZ HERE ON BEHALF OF DURGA TEMPLE. ALSO WITH ME IS TOM ALAMA, WHO'S THE PROJECT ARCHITECT, AND M DIMAN, WHO'S A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE TEMPLE. UM, SO AS CHAIRMAN SCHWARTZ AND A AND AARON JUST EXPLAINED, WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT SEEKING TWO THINGS. FIRST, A REFERRAL TO THE Z B A, UM, FOR A REISSUANCE OF THE PREVIOUSLY GRANTED VARIANCE. AND WE'RE ALSO HERE FOR A DETERMINATION FROM YOUR BOARD THAT THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM SITE PLAN APPROVAL SLASH AMENDMENT. UM, I GUESS IF WE GET THERE, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANNA CATEGORIZE IT, BUT, UM, THOSE ARE THE TWO ACTIONS. SO YOU'RE ALL LIKELY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROJECT, AS IT WAS RECENTLY BEFORE YOUR BOARD AND APPROVED THE, UM, DURGA TEMPLE HAD PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED BEFORE YOUR BOARD TO REPURPOSE THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME LOCATED AT 1-880-SAWMILL RIVER ROAD TO CONSTRUCT ITS TEMPLE, AS EXPLAINED IN DETAIL IN THE COVER LETTER. UM, ALTHOUGH THE APPROVED SITE PLAN CALLED FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO ONLY REPLACE OLD FLOOR JOISTS AND REPURPOSE THE REST OF THE BUILDING, UM, WITHOUT DEMOING, WHEN THE CONTRACT BEGAN, UH, PARTIAL DEMOLITION TO GET TO THE FLOOR JOISTS, HE NOTICED CONDITIONS THAT, UH, COULDN'T BE IGNORED AND MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO REPURPOSE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. THE CHURCH HAS LIMITED FUNDS AND WAS HOPING THE PARTIAL DEMO COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED, BUT WHAT THEY DISCOVERED WAS THAT THE BUILDINGS WOOD FRAMING WAS OLD, COMPLETELY ROTTED IN PLACES AND IN SOME LOCATIONS, THE BEAMS THAT LAY ON THE FOUNDATION HAD BEEN TOTALLY DISINTEGRATED. ADDITIONALLY, MANY OF THE BEAMS WERE VASTLY UNDERSIZED FOR THE SUPPORT OF THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING. UM, SO [02:10:01] WE'RE NOW BEFORE YOUR BOARD, BECAUSE WHEN THE CONTRACTOR DISCOVERED THIS, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT CAME OUT AND SORT OF AGREED THAT THESE BEAMS COULDN'T BE REUSED. THE BUILDING WOULD NEED TO BE DEMOED IN AND REBUILT TO BE SAFE. UM, A STOP WORK ORDER WAS ISSUED BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL PREVIOUSLY GRANTED. AND WE DID NOT HAVE A DEMO PERMIT. SO WE'RE NOW, BEFORE YOUR BOARD TRYING TO CLEAN ALL OF THIS UP, ASK THAT YOU ISSUE AN EXEMPTION FROM SITE PLAN APPROVAL, UM, SO THAT WE CAN COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION. I'LL NOTE THAT THE BUILDING IS BEING BUILT IN THE EXACT SAME FOOTPRINT WITH NO ALTERATION TO THE LOCATION OF THE FOUNDATION. THE ONLY PROPOSED CHANGE IS A TWO FOOT HEIGHT INCREASE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS STILL IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN THE CODE FOR THE ZONING DISTRICT. UM, I CAN HAVE TOM EXPLAIN THIS IN MORE DETAIL, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE FORMER BUILDING HAD AT MOST SEVEN TO EIGHT FOOT CEILINGS ON THE FIRST AND SECOND STORY, WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR BUILDINGS NOW, THOSE ARE RELATIVELY SHORT. SO ADDING A FOOT TO EACH STORY MAKES THE BUILDING MORE IN CONFORMANCE WITH MODERN BUILDING STANDARDS. UM, WE SUBMIT THAT RECONSTRUCTION OF ESSENTIALLY AN IDENTICAL BUILDING WOULD NOT HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT ON THE CHARACTER OR ENVIRONMENT OF THE SURROUNDING AREA, AND IT WOULDN'T RESULT IN ANY PARKING, NOISE, GLARE, EXPOSURE TO HAZARDS, WATER SUPPLY, SANITARY SEWAGE, DRAINER, OTHER UTILITY ISSUES. IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A REBUILD OF THE SAME BUILDING. UM, SO WE REQUEST THAT IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 22 85, 56 D, UM, THAT YOUR BOARD WAIVE SITE PLAN APPROVAL. UM, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS MORE, BUT I THINK THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN IN THE CODE IS IT'S ACTUALLY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, THE TOWN ENGINEER, AND THE PLANNING BOARD SECRETARY WHO ISSUED THE WRITTEN FINDINGS THAT THE ALTERATION, UM, SHOULD BE EXEMPT FROM THE BOARD'S APPROVAL. I, I GUESS WHAT I'M, I'M THINKING IN MY HEAD, AND ERIN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO DISCUSS THIS IS WITH THE BOARD'S BLESSING TONIGHT, THE, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT PLANNING BOARD SECRETARY AND BUILDING INSPECTOR COULD ISSUE THAT WRITTEN STATEMENT. UM, DO YOU WANT, UH, MR. GOLDEN, DO YOU WANT, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT OR, I WAS GONNA GET INTO THE VARIANCE PIECE AS WELL. HAPPY TO SORT OF PAUSE ON THAT POINT AND THEN WE CAN MOVE TO THE VARIANCE NEXT, HOWEVER YOU WANT. DO THAT. I APPRECIATE YOU CALLING ON ME, BUT I THINK IT'S UP TO YOU TO DO THAT. YES. , UH, MI MICHAEL, IS IT SOMETHING THAT RELATES TO WHAT YOU DIRECTLY SAID? YOU CAN DO IT NOW? YEAH, OF COURSE IT IS. UH, UH, LOOK, UM, AS I, THIS WASN'T ON THE AGENDA AS I UNDERSTAND. I DON'T RECALL ANY GETTING, GETTING ANY WRITTEN MATERIALS AND I, AND I DON'T GET IT OFF THE INTERNET. I LOOK AT MY PHYSICAL MATERIALS, THERE'S NOTHING ON THAT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WAIVING PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL MEANS. AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING MS. ROBERTS SAYS MADE SENSE, NOTHING PERSONAL, TRUST ME. UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THIS. I I THINK WE SHOULD SORT OF STEP BACK, GET REORGANIZED. WE SHOULD GET SOME MATERIALS FOR THE NEXT MEETING SO I CAN LOOK AT THEM, SEE WHAT WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT. I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT, YOU KNOW, A PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL WAIVER MEANS. I'LL EXPLAIN THAT. I'LL EXPLAIN THAT. NO, NO. I, I, YOU KNOW, IVE GOT NOTHING IN FRONT OF ME AND I'VE LOOKED AT ALL MY MATERIALS. UM, THIS ISN'T WORKING FOR ME, BUT THAT'S IT. OKAY. UM, TOM, GO AHEAD. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE ONE ADJUSTMENT TO, UM, WHAT MS. ROBERTS SAID, THE TIMELINE, BECAUSE, UM, AS I RECALL HEARING IT, YOU SAID THEY DISCOVERED THAT THE BEAMS WERE ROTTED, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WAS CALLED OUT. THEY AGREED AND THEY ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER. HOWEVER, I BELIEVE THE BUILDING WAS COMPLETELY DEMOLISHED BEFORE THE STOP WORK ORDER WAS ISSUED. SO IT WASN'T THATAM THAT'S SAID, YEAH, YOU SHOULD TAKE IT OUT. IT WAS TAKEN DOWN. I DON'T KNOW IF IT MATTERS TO THE DECISION. I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR. AND THAT'S CORRECT. AND SORRY, MS. SORRY, MR. HAY. I, I SHOULD HAVE ELABORATED THAT. I GUESS, UM, WHEN I SAID A BUILDING DEPARTMENT AGREED, AND THEN A STOP WORK WAS ISSUED, IT WAS SORT OF, THERE WAS AN ASSUMPTION THERE THAT I SHOULD HAVE SPELLED OUT. AND MR. ROBERTS IS THAT I BELIEVE THAT THAT ISSUE IS ACTUALLY WAY, NOT IN OUR PURVIEW, BUT IS ACTUALLY BEING TAKEN UP IN THE COURTS RIGHT NOW. NOW, THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT. UM, JUST TO, JUST TO ADDRESS, UH, MICHAEL'S, UM, [02:15:01] QUESTION. AND I, AND THEN I, I WANT GET A SENSE FROM EVERYBODY ELSE, UH, BECAUSE THE OTHER PART OF THE TIMELINE IS I BELIEVE THEY'RE ON THE, YOU WERE ON THE ZONING BOARD SCHEDULE FOR THIS MONTH. CORRECT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE NEXT PIECE OF THE PUZZLE THAT I WAS GETTING TO, UM, IN MY PRESENTATION. AND, UM, ON MR. GOLDEN'S POINT, I'M UP. I, I APOLOGIZE. WE MADE A, A PRETTY LENGTHY SUBMISSION, UM, ON THIS APPLICATION THAT I THOUGHT, UM, AARON, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THEIR PACKET OR, UM, PACKET WENT OUT BEFORE, BEFORE THE STUFF CAME CAME. IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS SENT. UM, SO WE DID DISTRIBUTE IT ELECTRONICALLY AND MADE OUR NOTE IN THE COVER LETTER. BUT IT WAS MY MISTAKE THAT I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT MR. GOLDEN NEEDED, JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND, MICHAEL, UM, AND DAVID, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE I'M RIGHT TECHNICALLY, UM, THE APPLICANT DID NOT HAVE TO COME TO US FOR OUR BLESSING TO, TO WAIVE, UH, TO, TO, TO WAIVE, UM, A SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR THIS CASE THAT ACTUALLY UNDER OUR CODE, AGAIN, YOU CAN QUIBBLE WITH THE CODE. OKAY. BUT OUR CODE ACTUALLY ALLOWS A COMBINATION OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, THE TOWN ENGINEER, AND THE SECRETARY, WHO IS, I BELIEVE AARON, UH, GARRETT OR YOU, GARRETT GAR GARRETT, COLLECTIVELY TO MAKE THAT DECISION ON THEIR OWN. OKAY. UH, SO IT'S NOT A COURTESY THAT THEY ACTUALLY CAME TO US ON, ON, ON THAT PARTICULAR PARTICULAR POINT. SO, YEAH, LET ME, LET ME ELABORATE JUST SLIGHTLY ON THAT. YES. THAT WHAT YOU SAID IS, IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. YOU WHAT? UH, AND THAT THIS HAPPENS ON OCCASION, USUALLY ON VERY MINOR THINGS. THE REASON WHY THIS, UH, WE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA, UM, AND THE APPLICANT AS WELL, TO NOTIFY THE, THE BOARD WAS THERE WAS ONE, UH, THERE WAS AN APPROVAL ON THIS. SO THIS WAS NOT A VERY MINOR CHANGE. UH, YOU KNOW, IF THIS, IF THIS HAD NOT BEEN IN FRONT OF THE BOARD, THIS WAS ON FOR, UM, UH, A SITE PLAN. BUT IF, UH, UM, IF THIS HAD NEVER BEEN BEFORE THE BOARD AND THEY WERE GONNA MAKE A REVISION, UM, AND IT WAS A VERY MINOR, UH, THING, IT WOULD NEVER HAVE COME TO HERE. BUT IT HAD TO BE I UNDERSTAND THAT HERE. AND, AND WE, AND WE, UH, THOUGHT IT WAS BEST TO NOTIFY. AND ALSO AS MR. HAY NOTED, 'CAUSE MR. HAY WAS THE PERSON WHO ACTUALLY NOTED ABOUT THAT THERE WAS A DEMOLITION. SO IT WOULD BE KIND OF SILLY, UH, AND DISRESPECTFUL, I THINK ALMOST TO SAY, OH YEAH, THIS IS WAVE WITH, UH, WITHOUT THE COURTESY OF GOING TO THE BOARD AND LETTING 'EM KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. BEFORE, BEFORE I, I, I, I, I LET MS. ROBERTS AND, AND YOUR ARCHITECT THERE, AND I, I WOULD PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME, SIR, BUT IT'S DIFFICULT. ALI ABMA ABMA. OKAY. UM, I JUST GET A, I WANNA GET A SENSE OF THE BOARD. WE ACTUALLY, ONE THING WE COULD DO IS LISTEN TO WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY TONIGHT TO GET SOMEWHAT EDUCATED ON IT. WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT BECAUSE WE COULD, WE STILL HAVE OUR, OUR, I BELIEVE IS THE WEEK BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD MEETING DAY BEFORE THE DAY BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD MEETING. SO WE COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE 19TH AND STILL, UH, DO IT FOR, FOR, UM, FOR THE ZONING BOARD. AND WHO IT, WHO HAS SEEKER ON THIS. THAT'S THE OTHER QUESTION. SO, UH, BEING THAT IT'S NOT IN A, SO COUPLE OF THINGS, I WOULD SAY THAT ULTIMATELY IF THE PLANNING BOARD DECIDES THAT IT WOULD PREFER TO SEE A FULL ON AMENDED SITE PLAN APPLICATION, OKAY. THAT THE APPLICANT GET AN AMENDED SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND THERE BE A HEARING AND WHATNOT, UM, THEN THERE WOULD BE A SEEKER, UH, THE SEEKER WOULD BE, UH, CONDUCTED AND A SEEKER DETERMINATION WOULD BE MADE. IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, THE Z B A WILL CONDUCT SEEKER ON ITS OWN AND VARI VARIANCE IS BY THEIR RIGHT ARE A TYPE TWO ACT. OKAY. CAN I SAY SOMETHING? LOOK, YEAH, MICHAEL, GO AHEAD. UM, UM, I, I'M NOT FOLLOWING AT ALL WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT I THINK SOMEBODY SAID THAT STAFF OR THE CHAIR OR SOMEBODY OTHER THAN THE PLANNING BOARD CAN WAIVE PLANNING, BOARD REVIEW. I TOLD YOU VERY SPECIFICALLY WHO IT IS. IT IS A COMBINATION OF THREE PEOPLE. IT IS THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, THE TOWN ENGINEER, AND THE SECRETARY TO THE PLANNING BOARD. WHO IS GARRETT DECANE. OKAY, FINE. SO LOOK, I, I [02:20:01] TRUST THE STAFF OF THE TOWN OF GREEN IMPLICITLY IF THEY WANNA WAIVE PLANNING, BOARD REVIEW. I'M COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. I MEAN, FROM WHAT, FROM WHAT YOU KNOW, MS. ROBERTS TOLD ME, UM, I DON'T PARTICULARLY SEE ANY ISSUES HERE AND, AND I DON'T WANT TO DELAY THIS PROCEDURE, BUT I'M NOT VOTING ON ANYTHING THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND. BUT IF OKAY, THOSE THREE PEOPLE COULD WAIVE THE PLANNING BOARD REVIEW, I'M PERFECTLY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. OKAY. MICHAEL, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, 'CAUSE I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO SPLIT THE BABY WITHOUT, UH, AFFECTING THE TIMELINE. OKAY. I, I THINK NO, I THINK, I THINK YOU HAVE AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO, UH, HAVE A FULL REVIEW OF THE MATERIALS. WHAT I'D SUGGEST IS LET, UH, THE APPLICANT COMPLETE THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT. HAVE THEM COME BACK TO THE PLAN PLANNING BOARD WORK SESSION ON THE 19TH, AND WHICH CASE, 'CAUSE WE STILL NEED TO DO RECOMMENDATION IRRESPECTIVE OF THE SITE PLAN WAIVER, WE STILL SHOULD BE DOING SOME KIND OF RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD. OKAY. BECAUSE EITHER WAY THEY NEED TO GET A, A NEW VARIANCE 'CAUSE IT'S A NEW BUILDING. BUT SOMEBODY HAS TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT A SITE PLAN WAIVER MEANS. I MAY, IT MEANS, IT MEANS THERE'S NO HEARING CAN START AGAIN. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME NOW. JUST SEND ME AN EMAIL AND EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT, WHAT I CALL DAVE OFFLINE AND I'LL BE BACK, CALL DAVE OFFLINE. I'LL SEND AN EMAIL. OKAY. THAT'S MY SCREEN BEFORE, GUYS. IT'S 9 26 AND I'M NOT GONNA FINISH A MINUTE AFTER 10 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA HEAR IT FROM MR. SIMON . SO ON THAT CASE. DOES, UM, DOES MY PROPOSAL TO LET MS. ROBERTS AND MR. ABMA FINISH YOUR PRE PRESENTATION THIS EVENING? MAKES SENSE. AND THEN WE WILL, WE WILL DECIDE AT THE NEXT MEETING, UM, ON THE, FINALLY ON THE WAIVER AND AS WELL AS THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO EVERYBODY? YEAH. MM-HMM. DOES, NO. YOUR HEAD YES, NO, YOU CAN. YEAH. OKAY. GOOD. OKAY. MS. ROBERTS, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT'S OKAY. MR. SIMON BEING RUDE AND TRYING TO RUN OUT THE CLOCK. NO, THAT'S MR. SIMON'S, THAT'S IT'S GREAT DOING THAT. . UM, I'LL, UM, I'LL QUICKLY JUST GO OVER THE VARIANCE, UM, ORDEAL WITH YOU GUYS SO THAT YOU KNOW, FOR THE NEXT MEETING WHAT IT IS WE'RE REQUESTING. BUT ESSENTIALLY, UM, FOR THE PREVIOUS ITERATION OF THE BUILDING, THE, THE REPURPOSING OF THE BUILDING, YOUR BOARD HAD MADE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE Z B A, UM, FOR A FRONT YARD SETBACK AREA VARIANCE, THE Z B A THEREAFTER APPROVED AND GRANTED THAT VARIANCE. UM, SO WE WOULD JUST BE ASKING YOU TO ESSENTIALLY REISSUE THE, YOU COULD READ DATE THE SAME EXACT POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU MADE. AND I'LL JUST NOTE, UM, WHAT YOU HAD SAID IN THAT NOVEMBER 19TH CORRESPONDENCE TO THE Z B A WAS THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL REPRESENTS AN ADAPTIVE REUSE OF A SITE THAT HAS FALLEN INTO POOR CONDITION. THE REASON THE VARIANCE IS NEEDED IS AS A RESULT OF A TAKING OF PROPERTY TO THE WEST OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY BY THE D O T FROM THE PREDECESSOR AND INTEREST IN 1954, WHICH REDUCED THE SETBACK OF THE APPLICANT'S BUILDING, WHICH HAS BEEN IN THE SAME LOCATION SINCE ITS CONSTRUCTION IN 1918. SO THE SAME VARIANCE WE NEED REISSUED BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S NO PROPOSED MODIFICATION TO THE BUILDING'S LOCATION OR FOOTPRINT. WE'RE ESSENTIALLY REBUILDING THE SAME BUILDING WITH A TWO FOOT HEIGHT INCREASE. SO THE SAME EXACT VARIANCE IS NECESSARY. UM, WE ARE TENTATIVELY FROM THE Z B A SECRETARY SCHEDULED ON THE 20TH. UM, ERIN AND I HAVE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH HER. I'M ASSUMING, YOU KNOW, SHE'S SORT OF WAITING FOR A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE WE'RE FORMALLY SCHEDULED. BUT I THINK AS LONG AS ERIN AND I CAN COMMUNICATE TO HER THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN EXPECT SOME SORT OF RECOMMENDATION. I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT IT'S GONNA BE POSITIVE 'CAUSE I'M NOT A BOARD MEMBER TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT, BUT ASSUMING WE GET SOME SORT OF RECOMMENDATION ON THE 19TH, YOU'LL GET IT AS YOU WILL GET A RECOMMEND BARRING, UH, A SNOWSTORM. ALTHOUGH ON ZOOM WE CAN STILL DO THIS, SO THAT'S GREAT. IF WE HAVE ZOOM, THEN BARR, UH, BAR, THAT'S TRUE TOO. UM, BAR BARRING ANY UN UNFORESEEN DISASTERS, YOU'LL HAVE A DECISION FROM US AND A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD ON THE N A THANK YOU BEFORE THE MEETING ON THE 20TH. IN THE MEANTIME, IF I COULD MAKE, UM, A SUGGESTION, UH, THAT MAY PERHAPS AARON, THE TOWN ENGINEER, UH, AND NOW I'M FORGETTING THE THIRD PERSON WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR ISSU [02:25:01] BUILDING INSPECTOR. THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THEY ARE ABLE TO REVIEW THE APPLICATION PRIOR TO THE 19TH AND EITHER ISSUE SOME SORT OF COMMUNICATION WITH RESPECT TO THE DIRECTION THEY WANNA GO, WHETHER IT BE, UH, AARON, THAT MIGHT BE WHAT THIS, THE BOARD NEEDS IN ORDER TO MS. ROBERTS. I, I DISAGREE WITH THAT. UM, OKAY. I WANT, I DON'T WANT THEM TO MAKE THAT DECISION UNTIL AFTER THE, THIS BOARD'S HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE PROJECT. RIGHT. I MEAN, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE IT SHOULD BE, BUT I, I THINK IN ALL FAIRNESS TO THIS BOARD, SINCE IT HAS THIS BOARD, I WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO CONSIDER IT. AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS, IT WAS A LATE AGENDA ITEM ADDED TO IT. SO AGAIN, WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION ON THE 19TH. I YEAH, MR. SHORT. SORRY, I I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. I DIDN'T MEAN FOR THEM TO MAKE THE WAIVER OR NOT MAKE THE WAIVER, BUT PERHAPS GIVE A DIRECTION IN WHICH THEY'RE HEADED SO THAT THE BOARD HAS AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THEY'RE HEAD IS AT. I SUSPECT IF WE, IF WE RECOMMEND TO THEM THAT THEY, THAT WE, THAT WE BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE A WAIVER, THERE WILL BE A WAIVER. I, I SUSPECT, BUT AARON CAN TALK, TALK TO THE, TALK TO THOSE PEOPLE AND THAT WAS MY PLAN. I'LL SPEAK TO THE THREE OF THEM. OKAY. THE AHEAD OF THE NEXT MEETING. BUT I THINK, RIGHT, UH, MR. SCHWARTZ, CHAIR SCHWARTZ IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. SO WE'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE APPLICANT. UM, WE REALLY, THAT WAS IT. WE WERE, UM, WE HAD MADE OUR SUBMISSION WITH ALL OF OUR PLANS. I'M NOT SURE WHICH BOARD MEMBERS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SEE IT OR NOT AND WHO MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS FOR US. UM, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. YEAH, I THINK ONE THING I JUST WANT TO DRIVE HOME AGAIN IS THAT, UM, THE STRUCTURE ITSELF WILL BE BUILT UPON AND ON TOP OF THE FOUNDATION THAT EXISTED FOR THE FORMER STRUCTURE. SO IT'S, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT A REPURPOSING OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, THAT BUILDING IS DOWN, THE NEW BUILDING WILL BE BUILT THE TOP, THE EXISTING FOUNDATION, WHICH TO MY KNOWLEDGE HAS BEEN DEEMED STRUCTURALLY SOUND TO SUPPORT A NEW STRUCTURE. NOT SOMETHING THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE JUST HAD. SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP AND MENTION THAT I SEE MS. FREYTAG LOOKS LIKE SHE HAS HER HAND UP. MONA, YOU'RE MUTED. MUTED MONA. AND THEN MR. SIMON AS WELL. SORRY, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION. I DON'T RECALL IF THERE WERE ANY LIGHTING AT THE TOP OF THE, UM, DOME AND NOW THAT YOU'VE RAISED THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING BY TWO FEET, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE LIGHTING AT THE TOP THERE. I'M NOT. I'M TRYING TO SEE NOW. I DON'T THINK THERE IS BECAUSE THERE IS LIGHTING. THERE'S NO LIGHTING OR ANYTHING AT THE TOP OF THE BUILDINGS AT ALL. NO, WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. THANK YOU WALTER. THANK YOU. OKAY. WALTER, BASICALLY FROM WHAT WE APPROVED IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, IS THAT ESSENTIALLY THE SAME HOUSE? YOU SAID IT'S ON THE SAME FOUNDATION AND THAT, UH, BUT WHAT OTHER CHANGES? UH, UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER CHANGES FROM WHAT WE APPROVE TO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED? BEING PROPOSED? IT STARTS THE HEIGHT, JUST THE HEIGHT ONLY THE TWO, TWO FEET IN HEIGHT. OKAY. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S THE SAME BUILDING. EXACTLY. ALMOST. YES. I MEAN, UH, AND WE, WE, WE ADDED SOME ARCHITECTURAL, UH, ITEMS ON THE OUTSIDE FOR THE, UH, IF YOU WANT TO SHOW YOU WHAT YEAH, J I JUST, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR IN MY MIND MAYBE, UH, OF WHAT CHANGES WERE MADE. BECAUSE, UH, GO AHEAD. SO THOSE ARE THE, ARE THE ITEMS THAT, THAT WE ADDED JUST TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR, FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL CAN, CAN YOU JUST GO THROUGH THEM QUICKLY? I MEAN, ARE THE WINDOWS DIFFERENT OR THE, CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN THAT BRIEFLY? IT'S, UH, IT'S ALL, MOSTLY IT'S GONNA PUT SOME SIDING, UH, FOR, FOR THE HARDY, HARDY, UH, DESIGN. AND, UH, THE, THE SAME, UH, WE ARE GONNA ADD IT TO SOME, UH, SOME, UH, UH, THE, THE NEW WINDOWS, THEY ARE BIGGER. THEY, THEY ALLOW FOR, FOR THE CODE TO, TO, TO APPLY. UH, AND UH, AND THAT'S REALLY MOSTLY IS THE HEIGHT, UH, THAT WE NEED TO ADD ONE FOOT FOR, FOR FOR HEIGHT ON EACH LEVEL. ON EACH LEVEL. OKAY. YEP. SO THE, JUST THE TWO TOTAL, THE EXISTING KIND OF FLOORS IN THAT, IN THAT PRE-EXISTING HOME WERE KIND OF SH SHORT, UH, IN TERMS OF HEIGHT, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE IDEAL OR BY STANDARDS TODAY? AARON? YEAH, LIKE I THINK, UH, TOM HAD TOLD ME EARLIER FLOOR ONE WAS LIKE SEVEN OR EIGHT FEET AND THE SECOND FLOOR WAS LESS THAN SEVEN FEET, WHICH IS JUST OKAY. [02:30:01] PLACES AREN'T ANYMORE, SO CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. AT, THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. I LOOKED AT THE OLD PLANS AND THE NEW PLANS, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE AFTER THE OTHER. I DIDN'T NOTICE ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES AT ALL. IT APPEARS THAT IT'S JUST A NEWER VERSION OF WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN A REHAB. OKAY, THANK YOU. OR A BRAND NEW VERSION. OKAY. IT'S HELPFUL. YEAH. ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE BOARD? CORRECT? YEAH. UM, I THINK IT, IT'S UH, UH, IN, IN TERMS OF UH, UH, THE BUILDING, IT'S PROBABLY BE BETTER AND MORE STABLE AND, AND UH, UH, KIND OF SAFER WITH THE NEW, UH, NEW MATERIALS AND THE NEW, IT HAS TO MEET THE NEW CODE. SO I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A BETTER, UH, BUILDING THAT WE WILL GET. RIGHT. SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD, UH, GOOD POINT. GOOD, GOOD. UH, GOOD SET OF, UH, PROGRESSION HAPPENED TO BE WITH A KIND OF, UH, A CIRCUITOUS WAY THAT WE GET THERE, BUT I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY MORE , MORE MODERN AND MORE SAFER BUILDING. OKAY. THANKS KURT. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY THEN, UH, MS. ROBERTS PLAN, WE'LL PLAN TO, UH, RECONVENE ON THE 19TH OF JANUARY. OKAY? OKAY. AND THANK YOU FOR COMING IN TO, IN TONIGHT, AND AS I SAID, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO RESOLVE THOSE ISSUES ON THE 19TH, UNLESS THERE SOME KIND OF A SURPRISE. AND WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT, WHAT I WILL DO, JUST TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR TO THE BOARD MEMBERS, AND I APOLOGIZE TO MR. GOLAND, WE WILL PUT THIS AS AN AGENDA ITEM UNDER OLD BUSINESS. WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE PRINTED COPIES PROVIDED, UH, AS WELL. SO, UH, YEAH. UM, WE'LL DO THAT. ERIN, JUST IF YOU NEED ADDITIONAL PRINTED COPIES, JUST LET ME KNOW HOW MANY WE'LL, WE'LL OVERNIGHT THEM TO YOU. WE CAN DO THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS WEEK. JUST, JUST MAKE IT CLEAR, UH, ERIN TO, UH, THE BILLING INSPECTOR AND, AND TO THE TRIUMVIRATE OKAY. THAT WE HAVE NOT ACTUALLY MADE A FINAL DECISION ON THE WAY ON HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THE WAIVER YET. AND THAT WE'LL BE MAKING THAT ON THE 19TH. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. GOOD ENOUGH. THANK YOU. VERY ALWAYS. QUICK QUESTION ON THE WAIVER. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE ON IT OR HOW IS THAT? NOT TECHNICALLY, IT'S, BUT WE, WE WILL TAKE A STRAW VOTE ON IT. WE, WE DON'T NEED, THEY DON'T NEED OUR VOTE, BUT, BUT WE'LL TAKE, WE'LL JUST DO A STRAW VOTE, I THINK. YEAH, I THINK THEY WANT YOUR GUIDANCE. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. OKAY. SO IT'LL BE A, IT'S NOT A BINDING VOTE 'CAUSE THEY COULD DO IT, DO IT OVER. OBJECTION. TECHNICALLY. I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD, BUT THEY COULD. OKAY. SO, ALL RIGHT. ALL HAVE A GREAT EVENING ON THAT. WAIT, WHO YOU SAYING TO HAVING, SEE, YOU'RE TRYING TO END THE MEETING EARLY. HUH? YOU LONELY WALTER? AND GOODNIGHT TO THE APPLICANTS . WALTER, YOU LONELY? HE WANTS TO, HE WANTS TO SHOW THAT. YEAH. . . IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? BANK? THANKS GUYS. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT BEFORE WE CLOSE TONIGHT? NO, I JUST WANTED, I SOME GOOD NEWS. I NEED TO TALK FOR A MINUTE AT THE END. OKAY. WALTER, KEEP WHAT? WAL WALTER WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING. GO AHEAD, WALTER. YEAH, SOME GOOD NEWS. YOU KNOW, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THAT SENIOR HOUSING AND WE'RE CONCERNED HOW LONG THE SENIORS WILL BE DISPLACED. UH, OR WHAT THEY DID IS, UH, IS, UH, RATHER THAN DO IT IN SECTIONS, THEY DECIDE TO GO MODULAR AND THEY PLAN TO FINISH EVERYTHING BY OCTOBER. SO INSTEAD OF TWO YEARS, IT'LL LOOK LIKE THEY'LL DO IT IN ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, 15 MONTHS. THIS IS THE, UH, MANHATTAN AVENUE PROJECT. MANHATTAN AVENUE. I SPOKE TO, I, I SPOKE TO BISHOP PRESTON BECAUSE I DRIVE, I JUST HAPPENED TO BE DRIVING BY AND I LOOKED, I SAID, OH MY GOD. SO I CALLED HIM UP AND HE SAID, YEAH, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO ACCELERATE IT, UH, TO, SO WE COULD, UH, SHORTEN THE PERIOD OF TIME. AND SO WE GOT INTO DISCUSSION WITH THESE MODULAR UNITS. SO ONE HALF OF IT IS ALREADY UP AND THE FOUNDATION, IT'S ALL THAT. THE OTHER PART IS ALREADY STARTED. HE SAID, YEAH, WE HOPING TO GO IN BY OCTOBER. SO THAT'S THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S FANTASTIC NEWS. JOHANN, DO YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO CONGRATULATE TOM. I SAW THE EMAIL ABOUT HIM BECOMING A, A GRANDDAD. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. SAW THAT AS WELL. SO CONGRATS TOM. CONGRATS. THAT'S ON NUMBER TWO. ABSOLUTELY. DON'T FORGET, GUYS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT MEETING AT SIX O'CLOCK NEXT WEDNESDAY. PLEASE, PLEASE DO YOUR HOMEWORK ON THAT. IT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S IMPORTANT AND COMPLICATED PROJECT. AND WE CAN CUT THE, UH, RECORDING OFF. OKAY. YES. WE'LL DO, WE STARTED EARLY RECORDING STUFF. THE BIG THING OFF THE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.