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[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL AGENDA MEETING TO BE HELD VIA ZOOM-ENABLED VIDEO CONFERENCING THURSDAY, November 15, 2021 – 6:30 P.M. ]
OKAY.SO THE FIRST THING, UM, I'D LIKE TO DO IS BEFORE WE START THIS MEETING, OOPS, I JUST LOST
I KNOW YOU DIDN'T HAD A VERY DIFFICULT TIME.
I TRUTHFULLY, THOSE WERE MISERABLE MEETING TO TAKE MINUTES AT.
UM, SO
SO NANCY WILL TAKE THE MINUTES.
THE FIRST THING WE HAD IS THE, ALL THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING.
AND I WANNA REALLY THANK LIZ AND I KNOW NANCY HELPED HER A BIT WITH THIS.
THAT WAS AN ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE SET OF MINUTES.
SO, UM, I WANNA THANK LIZ FOR THAT.
AND DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CHANGES OR COMMENTS ON THOSE MINUTES? CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE MINUTES? SO, UH, NANCY MOVES TO HAVE THOSE MINUTES APPROVED.
SO AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A LITTLE CHANGE IN PLANS AND I THINK, ERIN, YOU WANNA BRING PEOPLE UP TO DATE ON WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH BOOM ENERGY.
SO THANK YOU CHAIRPERSON TORI.
UM, FOR THE MEMBERS THAT DON'T KNOW, UH, THAT PROJECT WILL NOT BE DISCUSSED THIS EVENING.
WE HAD THE C A C HAD, UH, THE APPLICANTS IN AT ITS LAST MEETING AND WE WERE EVEN WILLING TO BUMP UP YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING TO THIS EVENING IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE APPLICANT.
ALL IN AN EFFORT TO GET BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD WITH A FINALIZED REPORT OF FOLLOWING THAT THE LAST MEETING, THE C A C ISSUED ITS SECOND ROUND OF QUESTIONS, WHICH I FORWARDED ALONG TO THE APPLICANT FOR RESPONSE.
AND THEY PUT TOGETHER A RESPONSE LAST WEEK THAT WAS TO GO OUT BY FRIDAY.
UH, THEY PUT TOGETHER A DRAFT RESPONSE AND I OFFERED TO MEET WITH THEM OVER ZOOM TO SORT OF VET THE RESPONSE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THOROUGH AND DETAILED TO THE POINT THAT WE WOULD HAVE A PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION THIS EVENING.
UM, AND THEY DID PUT TOGETHER A FAIRLY THOROUGH RESPONSE.
HOWEVER, UM, THEY GOT A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED WITH THE DOCUMENTS FLOATING AROUND AND THEY WERE RESPONDING IN PART TO THE, I THINK IT WAS 12 QUESTIONS, THE SECONDARY ROUND OF QUESTIONS, BUT ALSO WE'RE RESPONDING IN PART TO THE INTERIM REPORT ISSUED TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND I THINK, LIKE I SAID, I THINK THEY JUST GOT A LITTLE CONFUSED.
SO, UM, WE, WE HAD ABOUT AN HOUR LONG DISCUSSION AND, YOU KNOW, I WALKED THEM THROUGH HOW I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BEST FOR THEM TO PROCEED IN TERMS OF RESPONDING TO THE C A C AND HAVING A FOLLOW-UP MEETING.
AND THAT WAS TO INFORM THEM THAT IT WOULD BE BEST TO DIRECTLY TAKE THOSE 12 QUESTIONS, LAY THEM OUT IN A RESPONSE, AND, AND IN, IN A, IN A LETTER TO MY OFFICE, WHICH I WOULD THEN FORWARD OFF TO ALL OF YOU AND JUST GO THROUGH THEM ONE BY ONE BY, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY ONE THROUGH 12 AND NOT GET TIED UP WITH THE INTERIM REPORT BECAUSE THAT'S AN INTERNAL DOCUMENT BETWEEN TWO BOARDS OR THE COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND WE DID PROVIDE IT AS A COURTESY TO THE APPLICANT, BUT IT WASN'T FOR THEM TO RESPOND TO AT THIS TIME.
UM, SO WITH THAT SAID, THE APPLICANT ALSO INDICATED TO ME, UM, THEY THOUGHT MAYBE THEY COULD GET IT DONE FOR THE END OF THE DAY FRIDAY, BUT THEY DIDN'T WANNA RUSH IT.
THEY DON'T WANNA RUSH THIS PROJECT, THEY DON'T WANNA RUSH THE C A C, UM, THEY DECIDED TO KIND OF TAKE THEIR FOOT OFF THE GAS AND THEY WANT TO GET APPROPRIATE PERSONNEL AVAILABLE FOR THE C A C AS WELL.
SO YOU MAY RECALL FROM THE LAST MEETING, THERE SIMPLY WERE QUESTIONS THAT THE FOLKS THAT WERE ON WERE UNABLE TO ANSWER AND THEY REFERRED TO OTHERS AND OTHER DIVISIONS OF THE COMPANY.
THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE FOLKS AVAILABLE FOR THE C A C MEETING.
UM, SO THAT THERE CAN BE, YOU KNOW, THE MOST PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION POSSIBLE BETWEEN THE APPLICANT, ITS TEAM AS WELL AS MEMBERS OF THE C A C.
SO THEY ASKED TO BE PULLED OFF, UM, TONIGHT'S AGENDA AND THEY'VE ASKED TO BE PLACED ON THE DECEMBER 9TH MEETING AGENDA, WHICH I BELIEVE IS YOUR NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING.
THEY'VE INDICATED IN THEIR EMAIL AND I ASKED THEM TO, TO, TO SAY WHEN THEY THINK THEY CAN GET THE MATERIALS
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OR THE RESPONSES IN.AND THEY'VE INDICATED THEY CAN DO THAT BY THIS FRIDAY.
SO THAT'S A FEW WEEKS BEFORE YOUR NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING.
I THINK IT GIVES THE C A C MEMBERS, UH, YOU KNOW, A, A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME TO LOOK THINGS OVER.
OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THANKSGIVING, THANKSGIVING COMING UP.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO LOOK IT OVER.
AND FRANKLY, I MEAN THE, THE RES THE DR THE PRELIMINARY RESPONSE I SAW ON FRIDAY, THE DE DETAIL, THE LEVEL OF DETAIL IN IT LED ME TO BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE A VERY SHORT WINDOW TO ASK YOU FOLKS TO LOOK OVER IT OVER THE WEEKEND AND BE PREPARED TO HAVE A FULL ON DISCUSSION THIS EVENING.
I MEAN, IT, IT, IT JUST SEEMED A BIT RUSHED AND THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT AS WELL AND SAID, LOOK, YOU KNOW, WE THINK FOR THE BENEFIT OF OURSELVES OUR, THE REVIEW OF OUR APPLICATION AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE C A C MEMBERS IN HAVING A LITTLE MORE TIME TO REVIEW THE THOROUGHNESS OF THESE RESPONSES THAT WE'RE PREPARING.
LET'S, LET'S PULL BACK, LET'S PULL OFF AND, AND IF WE CAN, CAN WE BE RESCHEDULED TO THE NINTH? SO I SPOKE WITH MIKE AND TERRY ABOUT THAT.
UM, THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT, DID NOT THINK THE C A C WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT AT ALL.
UM, I'VE ALSO SPOKEN WITH THE PLANNING BOARD ABOUT THIS.
SO, YOU KNOW, MIKE AND TERRY WANTED TO BE SURE THAT IT DIDN'T APPEAR TO THE PLANNING BOARD THAT THERE WAS SOME DELAY COMING FROM THE C A C IN THE REQUEST OF THE PLANNING BOARD FOR A REPORT.
SO THAT WAS CONVEYED TO THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR THAT, UH, SORRY, MY CAT'S HERE.
UM,
ALSO, THIS APPLICANT IS GOING BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AND THEY WERE SET TO MEET THURSDAY WITH THE ZONING BOARD.
UM, THE ZONING BOARD HAS NOT INDICATED WHETHER OR NOT IT WILL ACTUALLY COME OFF.
MY SUSPICION IS THAT IF IT'S DISCUSSED AT ALL, IT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY QUICK.
UH, THE LAST I HEARD THE ZONING BOARD WAS WAITING ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING BOARD, PLANNING BOARD BEFORE MAKING ITS RECOMMENDATION WAS WAITING ON THE FINAL REPORT OF THE C A C.
SO THINGS ARE BEING PUSHED BACK.
I WANTED TO BE AS THOROUGH TO ALL OF YOU SO YOU UNDERSTAND KIND OF WHERE THINGS ARE AT.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IF THE NEXT MEETING THIS APPLICANT COMES IN IS WITH THE C A C ON DECEMBER 9TH, CLEARLY THINGS ARE, YOU KNOW, THEN FLOWING INTO THE NEW YEAR WITH THE OTHER BOARDS, UM, BOTH TO THE ZONING BOARD AND THE PLANNING BOARD.
THE OTHER THING THAT THE APPLICANT OFFERED, UM, AND YOU KNOW, I I JUST SAID, I I WOULD PASS THE MESSAGE ALONG IS THAT THEY'RE GOING, AS I MENTIONED, TO PREPARE A, A VERY DETAILED RESPONSE TO, AS I SAID, I THINK THE 12 QUESTIONS THEY ARE WILLING, UM, FOLLOWING THEIR SUBMISSION, WHICH WILL BE BY THIS FRIDAY, IF THE POINT PEOPLE FROM THE C A C, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A LARGER SCALE PROJECT, NEW TECHNOLOGY, UM, AND THE C A C FROM TIME TO TIME WILL KIND OF APPOINT CERTAIN LEAD FOLKS TO DO THE RESEARCH, PREPARE THE REPORTS, PREPARE THE QUESTIONS, AND THE OTHER MEMBERS SORT OF RELY ON THEM TO A DEGREE.
IF, IF THE POINT PEOPLE FOR THIS PROJECT ARE OPEN TO IT, THE APPLICANT IS MORE THAN WILLING TO JUMP ON A ZOOM AND JUST SEE IF THERE'S ANY PRELIMINARY FEEDBACK ON THE RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS.
THEY WANNA HAVE A PRODUCTIVE MEETING ON THE NINTH AND IF THEY MISS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, I WILL MEET WITH THEM AHEAD OF TIME, MUCH LIKE I DID LAST WEEK AND IF I SEE SOMETHING I'LL POINT IT OUT TO THEM.
BUT THEY ALSO WANTED TO JUST INDICATE THEIR AVAILABILITY TO MEET WITH THE POINT PEOPLE OF THE C A C SOMETIME AHEAD OF THE NINTH IF EVERYONE'S AGREEABLE TO IT.
JUST IN AN EFFORT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE MOST THOROUGH DISCUSSION AND, AND A POSITIVE BACK AND FORTH ON THE NINTH AS POSSIBLE.
I GUESS A LOT OF THAT WILL DEPEND AARON, ON WHEN WE ACTUALLY RECEIVE THE DOCUMENT AND WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, UM, HOW SIGNIFICANT THE QUESTIONS ARE.
UM, 'CAUSE IF IT'S MORE ONE OF, UM, I DON'T KNOW, POSITION VERSUS ONE OF ACTUAL TECHNICAL RESEARCH, IT'S GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF THEY SEND SOMETHING AND WE HAD ASKED A QUESTION THAT REQUIRED A NUMBER, SO ONE OF TWO THINGS, EITHER, EITHER THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE THE NUMBER OR THEY PROVIDED IN A WAY WE DON'T UNDERSTAND IT OR WHERE IT CAME FROM, I'M SURE WE WOULD BE GOING BACK.
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I THINK ONCE WE RECEIVED THE DOCUMENT, IT WOULD BE DISTRIBUTED AND THEN WE WOULD COLLECT PEOPLE'S COMMENTS AND MAKE THE DECISION THEN WHETHER IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO GO BACK TO THEM AND SAY, UM, YOU GAVE US A REFERENCE HERE, BUT COULD YOU GIVE US THE LINK SO WE COULD GO LOOK AT THIS.I MEAN, I THINK THERE WAS SOME QUESTION IN PARTICULARLY ON SOME OF THEIR ITEMS WHERE THEY WERE LESS THAN CLEAR ON THEIR SOURCES FOR NUMBERS OR LESS THAN CLEAR ON WHAT THEIR NUMBERS MEANT.
I AGREE WITH YOU AND IN THE COMMENTS THAT I PROVIDED TO THEM ON THEIR PRELIMINARY RESPONSE, THERE WERE SIMILAR, SIMILAR THINGS THAT I NOTED, YOU KNOW, CITING SOURCES, UM, PROVIDING DIRECT RESPONSES TO QUESTIONS.
AND THAT'S WHY I WENT BACK TO THEM AND SAID, DON'T GET CAUGHT UP IN THE REPORT.
THE C A C WANTS YOUR DETAIL AS DETAILED RESPONSE AND AS THOROUGH RESPONSE TO THESE 12 QUESTIONS AS POSSIBLE.
IT WILL THEN EITHER ASK ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR BE IN A POSITION TO ISSUE ITS FINAL REPORT.
YEAH, I MEAN, BECAUSE THERE IS JUST SOME THINGS THAT THEY DO, THEY COULD NOT ANSWER THAT I WAS SURPRISED AT, AT, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IN SOME CASES THEY REQUIRED A YES NO ANSWER AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE IT.
I THANK YOU VERY MUCH AS A VERY GOOD RE UM, SYNOPSIS AND REPORT.
AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AARON.
SO TONIGHT WE'RE FACING A KIND OF INTERESTING MEETING.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME BREATHING ROOMS, SOMETHING THAT VERY RARELY HAPPENS WHERE WE CAN GET TOGETHER.
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN GOING TO, UH, CONFERENCES AND THIS IS REALLY GOOD.
PARTICULARLY WHAT YOU'LL FIND IS THAT, UM, THERE ARE TWO BASICALLY THINGS WITH CONFERENCES.
ONE IS WHEN YOU FIRST START OUT, IT JUST GIVES YOU A LEVEL SET OF INFORMATION TO WORK WITH.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES I THINK THERE'S THE THOUGHT, WELL HOW DO PEOPLE KNOW STUFF? WELL, YOU KNOW STUFF BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING THIS FOR A WHILE OR YOU GO TO THE CONFERENCES AND YOU LEARN IT.
THE OTHER THING IS, VERY OFTEN THERE IS NEW INFORMATION COMING OUT AND THE CONFERENCES PROVIDE US WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO GAIN THAT NEW INFORMATION AND INSIGHT.
SO MY RECORDS SHOW THREE PEOPLE HAVING ATTENDED CONFERENCES, AND I'M GONNA GO OVER THAT IN A SECOND AND SEE IF MY CALLING THROUGH EMAILS, I GOT THIS.
BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, I HAVE A LITTLE PIECE OF HOUSEKEEPING.
ALFRED, I GOT A KICKBACK ON ONE OF YOUR EMAILS TELLING ME TO USE A DIFFERENT EMAIL.
AND I WAS WONDERING WHAT WAS THE EMAIL YOU WANTED US TO USE? UH, THE OPT ONLINE EMAIL? THE OPT ONLINE, BECAUSE THIS WAS SAID TO USE A GMAIL ONE.
THAT'S THE ONE WE'VE BEEN USING.
I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY.
IT WAS ONE OF THOSE NA LITTLE THINGS I HAD A NOTE TO MYSELF ON.
SO MY RECORDS SHOW THAT, UH, NANCY HAD KIND OF ATTENDED, UH, LISTENED TO SOMETHING ON CLIMATE SOLUTIONS.
UH, LIZ HAD TRIED TO ATTEND AS MANY, UH, NEW YORK STATE, UH, ASSOCIATION OF CONSERVATION COUNCILS, UH, THE CONFERENCE FOR THE ANNUAL, UH, CONFERENCE THEY HAVE IN THE FALL.
AND ALFRED HAD ATTENDED OR LISTENED TO SOME MEETINGS ON, UM, ENERGY SMART HOMES AND WESTCHESTER HAZARDOUS MITIGATION PLAN.
AND DID I MISS ANYBODY WHO HAD ATTENDED A CONFERENCE AND NEEDS TO REPORT ON IT? OKAY.
SO WHY DON'T WE START OUT WITH LIZ AND JUST SHARE WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE FROM THAT, THE MEETINGS WITH US AND WE'VE GOT A BIT OF TIME, SO YOU KNOW, SORT OF, SORT OF PUTTING YOUR TIME ON BASED ON THAT.
I THINK WE ALL LIKE TO BE DONE CERTAINLY, UH, BY EIGHT O'CLOCK.
SO YOU HAVE A BIT OF TIME IN THE BOOK.
I WON'T, IT WON'T TAKE US TO EIGHT O'CLOCK.
SO THE CONFERENCE THAT I ATTENDED, IT'S THE NEW YORK STATE ASSOCIATION OF CONSERVATION COMMISSIONS.
AND I GUESS THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE IT FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE NEW LIKE ME, IS IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE P T A UMBRELLA ORGANIZATION FOR ALL OF THE SCHOOL PTAS.
SO THIS IS WHERE YOU WOULD GO TO GET INFORMATION ON WHAT'S HAPPENING.
LIKE THERE WAS A WHOLE WORKSHOP AROUND STRETCH CODES.
THERE WAS ACTUALLY ALFRED YOU ATTENDED, YOU SAID AN ENERGY SMART HOME.
THEY HAD A WORKSHOP ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND I WOULD DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE NEXT YEAR IF I, I WOULD DEFINITELY ATTEND.
UM, IT WAS, THEY USED A REALLY COOL TECHNOLOGY, WHICH WAS FUN.
BUT I WOULD, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF MORE OF US COULD ATTEND BECAUSE THEY HAD, UM, MORNING AND AFTERNOON SESSIONS OVER A COUPLE OF DAYS, ACTUALLY REALLY TWO DAYS.
THEY HAD SOME IN-PERSON SITE VISITS THAT HAPPENED TO BE LOCAL AROUND HERE.
THIS IS A STATEWIDE CONFERENCE, BUT ALL THREE SITE VISITS WERE HERE, ALTHOUGH I DID NOT DO ANY OF THOSE.
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BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT ALL THE WORKSHOPS, THERE'S FIVE HAPPENING HAPPENING SIMULTANEOUSLY.SO, AND THEY WERE ALL INTERESTING.
SO I HAD TO PICK WHICH ONE I WANT TO GO TO.
AND AS I SAID TO TERRY, THEY WERE BEING RECORDED.
BUT THE RECORDINGS, I GUESS BECAUSE IT'S A NEW TECHNOLOGY THEY WERE USING GATHER TOWN, THE RECORDINGS ARE REALLY DIFFICULT.
THERE'S AN ECHO, SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO, I TRIED TO GO BACK AND LISTEN JUST TO REMIND MYSELF WHAT I HAD HEARD AND IT WAS BASICALLY IMPOSSIBLE.
BUT THE FIRST ONE THAT I WENT TO, WHICH I'M ACTUALLY REALLY CURIOUS FROM, FROM AARON, HE MAY ALREADY KNOW ABOUT SOME OF THESE THINGS OR MAYBE HE'S INTERESTED IN THE TOWN IS INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE.
IT HAD TO DO WITH, UM, USING GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE AS A RESPONSE TO STORM STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
UM, AND LISTENING TO SOME OF THE PROJECTS MADE ME THINK ABOUT THE ISSUE IN HARTSDALE.
AND I KNOW ON, UM, OH GOSH, NOW I'M GONNA FORGET THE NAME OF THE STREET.
THERE'S A STREET JUST OFF OF, UM, BEHIND ONE OF THE SHOPPING CENTERS RUNNING PARALLEL TO, UH, BEHIND THE FIRE STATION THERE.
I KNOW THEY ALWAYS FLOOD AND I HAD SEEN PAUL HAD SENT PEOPLE OUT TO DO SOME TRIMMING OF, OF THE WEEDS AND THE WATERWAY THERE.
AND THAT'S AN ONGOING PROBLEM.
SO THAT THESE MIGHT BE SOLUTIONS FOR BOTH OF THOSE AREAS.
AND EVIDENTLY THE STATE DOES OFFER FUNDING THAT YOU HAVE TO APPLY FOR.
BUT SO BASICALLY WHAT THEY TALKED ABOUT, AND MAYBE SOME OF YOU ALREADY KNOW ABOUT THIS, THEY LOOKED AT, UM, ONE OF THE PROJECTS THEY LOOKED AT WAS KINGSTON, WHICH IS ON THE HUDSON RIVER.
AND THEY, THE TOWN WAS DESCRIBED AS A VERY URBAN COMPARED TO THEIR NEIGHBORS IN THE REGION.
UM, THEY'RE ONE OF THE MORE BUILT UP AREAS, OBVIOUSLY NOT LIKE AROUND HERE.
AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEM WITH STORM OVERFLOW FROM THE SEWERS.
AND THEN THAT CONTAMINATED WATER IS GOING INTO THE HUDSON RIVER WITHOUT BEING TREATED.
SO THAT'S THEIR MAIN, MAIN ISSUE.
AND THEY TALKED ABOUT, THEY WENT DOWN ON ONTO THEIR MAIN STREET AREA AND USED MULTIPLE FORMS OF GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH ALSO NOT ONLY DOES DOES IT WORK, BUT IT REALLY BEAUTIFIES THE AREA.
SO SOME OF THE THINGS THEY USE, THESE ARE NOT THE PRETTY PARTS.
THERE'S A POROUS OUS ASPHALT THAT THEY USE INSTEAD OF STANDARD ASPHALT THAT HELPS THE WATER, IT KIND OF PUDDLES AND THEN THE WATER CAN KIND OF DRAIN INTO THE GROUND BELOW IT AS OPPOSED TO JUST RUNNING OFF.
THERE'S ALSO PERMEABLE PAVERS THAT THEY'RE NOW USING IN SOME OF THEIR PARKING LOTS.
AND AS WALKWAYS IN SOME OF THE PARKS, THEY INSTALLED, UM, DRY WELLS AT SOME OF THE LOWEST POINTS.
AND THEN THEY ALSO USED A MIXTURE OF RAIN GARDENS AND BIOSWALES OR BIO RETENTIONS, UM, USING NATIVE PLANTS TO HELP SLOW DOWN AND RESTRICT THE FLOW OF THE STORM WATER AND TO CAPTURE THAT WATER.
UM, AND JUST ADDING THEIR PLANTING A THOUSAND TREES BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY ONCE THE TREES ARE IN THE GROUND, THAT HELPS A LOT WITH WATER MANAGEMENT.
AND THESE JUST MADE ME THINK OF BOTH OF THOSE.
THOSE ARE THE TWO I HAPPEN TO BE FAMILIAR WITH IN GREENBURG THAT HAVE CONTINUOUS FLOODING ISSUES AS POSSIBLE THINGS TO LOOK AT.
AND THEN SOMEBODY ELSE SPOKE A WITH A CONSULTANT AND SHE TALKED ABOUT, UM, PROJECTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN NEW YORK CITY.
I WASN'T AWARE THAT THE JAVIT CENTER HAS NOW DONE A, A FULL GREEN ROOF TO AGAIN HELP WITH WATER FLOW AND CARBON SEQUESTERING, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE IN HARTSDALE ON TOP OF THE PARKING GARAGE.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE WATER FLOW ISSUE IS THERE.
I JUST KNOW OBVIOUSLY THERE IS AN ISSUE.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, UH, I KNOW ANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE WOULD BE HAPPY TO TALK MORE IN DEPTH ABOUT HOW THEY, WHAT THEY DID LOCALLY IN THEIR AREAS.
AND THEN SOMEONE FROM THE E P A WATER SENSE WOMAN NAMED JANICE WHITNEY SPOKE AND SHE TALKED ABOUT A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THEY'VE DONE.
THEY DID SOMETHING WITH SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY, UM, ALSO JUST TALKING ABOUT THE GRADING.
UM, OH, SHE'S THE ONE THAT MENTIONED SOME ROOFTOP THAT THE JAVIT CENTER HAS THE GREEN ROOFTOP AND THEY ALSO DID SOMETHING ON THE ROOF OF THE CONRAD HOTEL IN MANHATTAN, WHICH HELPS TO SAVE WATER, REDUCE ENERGY CONSUMPTION, HELP PROTECT WILDLIFE.
SO THAT WAS SUPER INTERESTING.
AND THE OTHER ONE THAT I CAN I JUST KIND INTERJECT HERE THIS YEAH.
JUST BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP, I WANTED TO MAKE A, A NOTE AS WE'RE SHARING INFORMATION, WE'VE HAD PROJECTS WHERE WE'VE RECOMMENDED PERMEABLE PAVERS MM-HMM.
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WE'VE REJECTED THEM BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT PERMEABLE PAVERS IS THAT IN ADDITION TO LETTING THROUGH THE WATER, IF YOU'RE DOING A PARKING LOT, IT ALSO LETS THROUGH THE, UM, THINGS THAT LAND ON THE PARKING LOT FLOOR DRIPPING FROM CARS.SO WE HAVE HAD, UM, PROJECTS THAT WERE NEAR WETLANDS OR STREAMS. RIGHT.
WE HAVE OPTED AGAINST PERMEABLE PAVERS AND RATHER FOR THE ASPHALT AND GOING INTO DRAINS AND WELLS WHERE THE WATER IS COLLECTED SO THAT IT CAN, THE POLLUTANTS CAN BE SKIMMED OFF.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH EVERYONE.
THAT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE I SAID, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES, UM, ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY SOLUTIONS GET LEGS IN LIKE EVERYTHING IN LIFE.
IT, IT'S, SOMETHINGS ARE GOOD ABOUT IT AND SOME THINGS ARE BAD.
AND WE'VE ALREADY ENCOUNTERED IT WITH THIS ONE WHERE WE LOOKED AT IT AND WE SAID, WAIT A MINUTE, YOU KNOW, IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IT'S TOO CLOSE TO THE WATERCOURSE
AND WE GET THOSE WELLS IN WHERE THE WATER DRAINS AND THEY GET SKIMMED ANNUALLY FOR ALL THE POLLUTANTS AND YOU TAKE THE POLLUTANTS OFF OFF SITE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH EVERYBODY BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE SOLUTIONS ARE REALLY GREAT SOLUTIONS AND TO BE ENCOURAGED.
AND I KNOW AT ONE TIME WE HAD ONE PROJECT COME IN, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT A GREEN ROOF.
I THINK IT WAS ON THE STARBUCKS, BUT I DON'T THINK IT EVER HAPPENED.
'CAUSE IN THE PARKING LOT WHERE THEY USED THE POROUS ASPHALT, THEY DID SPECIFY THAT THEY DIDN'T DO THE WHOLE PARKING LOT.
THEY PICKED A SECTION AND I FORGET, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT MIGHT, MAYBE THAT WAS A SECTION WHERE CARS WEREN'T PARKING, BUT WHERE THERE WAS WATER, WHERE THERE WERE OTHER THINGS.
AND THEN THEY ALSO USED THE PAVERS IN PARKS WHERE THERE WERE WALKWAYS AS OPPOSED.
UM, BUT THEY DID ALSO USE IT IN OTHER, AND THEN THEY ALSO, I WISH I COULD SHOW YOU GUYS PHOTOS, BUT IT'S ON MY PHONE, NOT ON MY, UM, BUT THEY DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB BEAUTIFYING THE MAIN STREET IN KINGSTON WITH PAVERS AND ISLANDS IN THE MIDDLE THAT HAD LOTS OF PLANTS.
AND THOSE, ALL OF THOSE WERE RAIN GARDENS OR HAD, UH, THE BIO BASINS UNDERNEATH AND
THERE WAS, THERE WAS ANOTHER THING THAT CAN BE DONE, WHICH IS MORE AN AESTHETIC THING, IS THERE ARE PAVERS WHICH ARE STRONG ENOUGH TO SUPPORT A FIRE TRUCK.
'CAUSE I GUESS THIS ORIGINALLY HAPPENED MANY YEARS AGO WITH THE CHURCH ON, UH, WEST HORSEVILLE AVENUE.
THERE ARE PS THAT THE, THE GRASS CAN GROW THROUGH.
SO AESTHETICALLY YOU DON'T SEE WHEN, WHEN YOU HAVE FACILITIES THAT NEED A, A SECONDARY ROAD FOR FIRE, EXIT, ANY EGRESS, YOU CAN HAVE THE TYPE OF PAVERS IN THE GROUND THAT WILL SUPPORT A FIRE TRUCK.
BUT VISUALLY IT WILL JUST LOOK LIKE A MODE AREA.
AND THIS IS ALSO A POSSIBILITY WHERE SOMEONE NEEDS A, A SPILLOVER PARKING LOT, LIKE FOR A CHURCH OR A TEMPLE WHEN THEY HAVE A SPILLOVER PARKING LOT THAT NORMALLY ISN'T USED, BUT ONLY FOR HOLIDAYS.
IT'S A SOLUTION THAT CAN BE ENCOURAGED.
I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE AARON, YOU KNOW, IF ANYTHING HAPPENED WITH THAT.
I KNOW PAUL HAD HELD A GO AHEAD AARON, YOU ARE MUTED.
SO YES, CLARENDON WROTE, I, I SENT THAT IN THE CHAT.
UM, WHAT I SEEM TO FIND IS THAT
SO WHAT I'VE FOUND, AND, AND IT'S BECAUSE THEY, HEY LOOK, THEY KNOW THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A PIPE IN THE GROUND FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME THAT UNLESS IT CRACKS OR BREAKS, IS IS GONNA GET THE WATER TO WHEREVER ITS DESTINATION IS.
UM, WHAT I'VE FOUND IS THAT A COMBINATION OF TECHNIQUES CAN BE VERY HELPFUL.
SO IF FOR SOME REASON, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU COULD HAVE ON A DEVELOPMENT SITE AND, AND THE PLANTS START TO DIE OUT OR SOMETHING, AND IT'S IN THE BACK, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY SEE IT.
SO THEY'RE NOT SOAKING UP AS MUCH WATER AS THEY MIGHT'VE BEEN.
OR A RAIN GARDEN THAT GETS A LITTLE BIT SILTED IN DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY THAT THERE'S A BACKUP ENGINEERED DESIGN, UM, THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE DESIGNED TO KIND OF FUNCTION IN CONCERT WITH ONE ANOTHER.
AND I'VE SEEN THAT, I'VE SEEN THAT WORK WELL.
UM, I'M A, I'M A FAN OF GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE HAVE EXAMPLES AT TOWN HALL.
WE PUT IN THOSE, UM, PREVIOUS PAVERS AT TOWN HALL AND THERE
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ARE STRIPS OF THEM IN THE PARKING LOT, UM, IN THE UPPER LOT AND IN THE MAIN LOT.SO WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED TO, AND WE GOT A GRANT TO DO THAT, I DON'T KNOW, 7, 8, 9 YEARS AGO.
TIME FLIES, UH, WHEN YOU'RE HAVING FUN
SO WE'VE, WE'VE LED BY EXAMPLE IN THAT REGARD.
UM, THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT HAVE INCORPORATED GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE.
A FEW THAT I CAN THINK OF OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
ONE IS ACTUALLY GOES BACK A WAYS, BUT I THINK TERRY WOULD CERTAINLY REMEMBER THIS.
UM, IT'S CALLED LIFE, THE PLACE TO BE ON LAWRENCE STREET IN ARDSLEY, OFF THE SAWMILL RIVER PARKWAY.
A LARGE SECTION OF THEIR PARKING LOT IS PERVIOUS ASPHALT.
AND I REMEMBER, UM, IT WAS NEW FOR THE TOWN AND, AND NEW FOR THIS GENTLEMAN THAT, THAT BOUGHT THE SITE AND, AND I THINK IT WAS AN OLD WAREHOUSE, UM, BUILDING AND CONVERTED IT INTO LIFE, THE PLACE TO BE.
AND SO THERE'S A STRIP, I'M GONNA SAY 20 FEET WIDE AND, AND A FEW HUNDRED FEET LONG NEAREST TO THE RIVER IN THAT PARKING LOT THAT WAS POROUS OR PERVIOUS ASPHALT.
AND I REMEMBER AFTER THE JOB WAS DONE GOING OUT THERE IN THE RAIN AND YOU COULD SEE IT RUNNING OFF ON THE REGULAR STANDARD ASPHALT AND DRAINING RIGHT THROUGH THE PREVIOUS ASPHALT.
AND IT REALLY WAS SOMETHING ELSE.
UM, SO WE WERE VERY, WE WERE HAPPY WITH THAT.
WE WERE GLAD THAT THAT APPLICANT TOOK THAT ON.
THERE WAS NO OBLIGATION ON THEIR PART THAT JUST A WILLINGNESS.
AND SO THAT WAS ONE GREAT EXAMPLE.
UM, OTHERS THAT I CAN THINK OF.
UH, THERE'S ONE ACTUALLY ON CENTRAL PARK AVENUE AT THE CORNER OF ARDSLEY ROAD.
SO IT WOULD BE THE NORTHEAST CORNER, UH, I THINK IT WAS A TD BANK AND I, I'M NOT SURE IF IT EVEN STILL IS, BUT IT WAS A GAS STATION YEARS AGO THAT CLOSED DOWN AND TD BANK WAS THERE.
THEY MAY OR MAY NOT STILL BE THERE, BUT IN THE FRONT ALONG CENTRAL PARK AVENUE, THEY HAVE A BORROW RETENTION AREA WHERE THERE'S CERTAIN, I THINK THERE ARE DROPPED CURBS.
SO THEY'RE WHAT WE CALL, UM, YEAH, DROP CURBS.
SO RATHER THAN IN THE PARKING LOT, ALL THE WATER FUNNELING TOWARDS A DRAIN INLET OR A CATCH BASIN, SOME OF THE WATER GOES THROUGH THE DROPPED CURB AND INTO THIS PLANTED AREA THAT HAS VEGETATION AND TREES AND THAT SOAKS UP SOME OF THE WATER.
SO THAT WAS A NICE OPPORTUNITY ALONG CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
UM, AND THEN SPEAKING OF GREEN ROOFS, THE WEST TAB BUILDING OFF ONE 19 TERRYTOWN ROAD AT, UM, OLD, OLD KENSICO ROAD, THAT WAS THE OLD, UM, KING'S MOTEL BEHIND, UM, WHERE, UM, NESTOS PIZZERIA AND DELI IS.
AND WHEN THEY BUILT THAT BUILDING, THEY PUT A GREEN ROOF UP THERE AND THERE'S AN ACCESS HATCH.
AND I'VE BEEN UP THERE A FEW TIMES TO VERIFY THAT THE PLANT MATERIAL IS STILL WORKING.
SO WE DO HAVE SOME GOOD EXAMPLES.
UM, AND I THINK COLLECTIVELY THE C A C AND THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE WORKED ON, ON SOME GOOD PROJECTS.
I KNOW REGENERON HAS, UM, EXAMPLES OF BUYER RETENTION AND OTHER GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE METHODS.
THAT I KNOW, THAT I THINK WAS ONE OF THEIR PLANS.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S ONE OF THE ONES THAT WAS, THAT THEY ACTUALLY BUILT OUT OR WE JUST APPROVED, THEY WERE TAKING THE WATER ALSO TO USE FOR, UM, WATERING THE, THE PLANTS ON SITE, THE RAIN.
SO THERE WE DO HAVE SOME EXAMPLES.
UM, IT'D BE GREAT TO START, YOU KNOW, GETTING MORE OF THEM HERE AND THERE.
IT, I KNOW ONE THING EARLY ON THAT THE C A C HAD COMMENTS ABOUT, AND IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, WE HAD, UM, THE CONDITION REQUIRED AND THEN LANGUAGE PUT IN THE DEED, BECAUSE YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU DO A RAIN GARDEN, WHICH CAN BE VERY BEAUTIFUL, AND WE'VE DONE THEM ON SUBDIVISIONS.
SOMEBODY, LET'S JUST SAY, PUTS AN ADDITION ON THEIR HOUSE AND THEN THEY SAY, HEY, WE'RE ALL FOR THE PLANTS AND WE'RE WILLING TO DO THE RAIN GARDEN.
AND THEN FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD THEY SELL AND SOMEONE COMES IN AND SAYS, WHAT IS THIS LOWER DEPRESSED AREA, DEPRESSIONAL AREA WITH PLANTS THAT ARE DON'T PARTICULARLY SUIT WHAT I LIKE, I'M JUST GONNA MOW IT OVER AND TAKE THEM OUT
AND, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WAS HIGHLY FUNCTIONAL IS NOW EITHER FILLED IN, MOWED OVER OR, AND NOT FUNCTIONAL ANYMORE.
AND THEN WHERE'S THAT WATER GOING THAT WAS BEING ROUTED TO THAT RAIN GARDEN? TERRY, DO YOU
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REMEMBER US TALKING ABOUT THAT? YEAH, I THINK OUR PROBLEM, OUR PROBLEM WITH THIS WAS, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GET INTO LIKE, UM, LARGER PROJECTS WHERE YOU HAVE, UM, UM, LIKE A, AN ENTITY LIKE A, LIKE A REGENERON OR SOMETHING.WHAT WE FOUND WAS WE COULD NOT GET COOPERATION WITHIN THE TOWN TO GET IT PUT ON THE DEEDS.
AND I KNOW THE C A C FELT THAT IF WE COULD NOT GET IT PUT ON THE DEEDS, IT WAS NOT A GOOD SOLUTION BECAUSE WE DID NOT FEEL IT REALLY WAS A PERMANENT SOLUTION FOR THE REASONS AARON JUST CITED.
BECAUSE NORMALLY IN THOSE SITUATIONS YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUT IN, UM, WE CALL THEM A, A CALTECH DEVICE, BUT REALLY IT'S KIND OF A GENERIC NAME FOR WHAT IS YEARS AGO WAS CALLED A DRYWELL.
WHICH BASICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE NOW WHEN YOU BUILD, YOU CANNOT INCREASE THE, THE RATE OF RUNOFF FROM A PROPERTY.
AND THIS MEANS THAT IF YOU'RE BUILDING SOMETHING NEW AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT'S COMING OFF OF THAT, LET'S SAY HALF ACRE CAN RUN NO FASTER THAN, THAN IT WAS BEFORE YOU TOOK DOWN THE TREES AND WHATNOT.
SO THAT WATER HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE.
SO IT GOES INTO THESE DEVICES TO BE HELD AND THEN LET OUT SLOWLY.
UM, AND THEY'RE CALLED CALTECH DEVICES, BUT THEY'RE PROBABLY MANUFACTURED BY OTHER PEOPLE AS WELL.
AND YEARS AGO THAT QUITE TRUTHFULLY, SOME PROPERTIES HAD THESE, THEY WERE CALLED DRY WELLS.
I MEAN, I, I HAPPENED TO HAVE A HOUSE WHERE MY, MY DRAIN PIPES HAVE ALWAYS GONE UNDERGROUND.
THEY HAVEN'T JUST SPILLED OUT AND RUN OFF.
SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT NECESSARILY IS A NEW INVENTION.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WHEN WE'RE WORKING WITH PEOPLE, UM, SORT OF COMES AS A SHOCK TO THEM WHEN THEY'RE DOING AN ADDITION, WHEN THEY SUDDENLY FIND OUT THAT, WELL, WHILE YOU'RE AT IT, YOU HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THIS EXTRA WATER.
IT'D BE NICE IF THEY TAKE CARE OF ALL THE EXTRA WATER ON THEIR PROPERTY IN SOME PARTS OF THE TOWN.
BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT.
THAT MAY BE SOMETHING AS WE LOOK AT CHANGES IN THE BUILDING CODE TO IMPROVE THE ENVIRONMENT, WE MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT THAT, YOU KNOW, AS AN OPPORTUNITY WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN FOR SOMETHING MAJOR, WE TACK ON THAT THEY ADDRESS THE WATER ISSUES ON THEIR PROPERTY IN TOTAL BECAUSE YES.
GARY, YOU WANT I I WE'RE RIGHT IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, TERRY.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT AS PART OF, UH, WHAT COMMISSIONER DUANE'S GONNA REPORT THE C A C IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL REVISIONS TO THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE.
THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT A DESIGNING FOR A 25 YEAR STORM IS PROBABLY NO LONGER ENOUGH.
AND
UM, WE COULD HAVE MULTIPLE 25 YEAR STORMS OR GREATER EVEN IN ONE YEAR THESE DAYS.
SO UPPING OUR STANDARDS IN THAT REGARD AND IN OTHER REGARDS TO HELP IMPROVE, YOU KNOW, DRAINAGE THROUGHOUT THE TOWN AND, AND LESSEN IMPACTS FROM FLOODING AND, AND MAJOR STORM EVENTS.
SO I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD GET BACK TO LIZ.
SHE HAS ANOTHER ONE TO REPORT ON TIME'S GOING HERE.
WE HAVE SOME OTHER PEOPLE AS WELL.
SO, SO THE OTHER WAS ENERGY SMART HOMES, WHICH I THINK ALFRED PROBABLY HAS A LOT TO SAY ON THAT AS WELL.
UM, SO I'LL LET HIM COVER THAT.
AND THEN I DID ATTEND SOMETHING FOR STRETCH THE STRETCH, THE, UH, NEW YORK STRETCH CODE, WHICH I'VE ATTENDED SO MANY THINGS AND I HAVE YET TO GET INFORMATION ON EXACTLY WHAT'S IN THERE.
SO I GUESS I HAVE TO JUST START READING IT, WHICH IS NOT MY FORTE READING THOSE TYPES OF DOCUMENTS SINCE THEY'RE ALL VERY LEGALLY
SO MAYBE WHEN NANCY IS DONE WITH THIS PROJECT, SHE CAN JUMP BACK OVER AND HELP ME WITH THAT.
AND GEORGE IS ALSO, AND ALFRED, YOU'RE ON THAT TOO NOW.
UM, BUT THE, HANG ON, LET ME JUST FIND THE MAIN THING I WANTED TO SAY ABOUT THE STRETCH CODE.
I WAS, THANKFULLY I TOOK PHOTOS OF THE, UH, OF SOME OF THE SLIDES SINCE, LUCKILY SINCE THEY'RE, I DIDN'T KNOW THE PRESENTATIONS, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND SEE THEM.
UM, SO THE, THE STRETCH CODE FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, IS SET UP TO BE READILY ADOPTABLE BY ALL MUNICIPALITIES.
SO YOU CAN USE IT AS A STARTING POINT AND THEN ADJUST TO FIT WHAT YOUR TOWN NEEDS ARE.
IT'S A STRICTER ENERGY CODE THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE.
AND IT'S MEANT TO JUST KIND OF GO, I THINK THEY PROBABLY WROTE IT IN THE SAME ORDER AND WITH THE SAME, YOU KNOW, THEY KEPT TALKING ABOUT HOW YOU'RE JUST GONNA OVERLAY IT OVER THE EXISTING BUILDING CODE.
WON'T REQUIRE A LOT OF WORK ON ANYBODY'S PART TO, UM, AND FOR, TO PUT IT INTO EFFECT, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT INSULATION.
I KNOW I HEARD HASTINGS DO A PRESENTATION AND THEY HAD A CONCERN BECAUSE IT,
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THE INSULATION IN THE HOME IS SOMETHING PEOPLE ARE FOCUSING ON A LOT, SECURING THE ENVELOPE OF THE HOUSE MORE.BUT I'VE NOTICED THAT IN ORDER TO MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT, THEY'RE USING A LOT OF THAT FOAM INSULATION, WHICH I THINK HAS, IN MY OPINION, A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES WITH THE CHEMICALS.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, IT SEEMED INTERESTING, THE STRETCH CODE, BECAUSE IT'S PUTTING MORE THINGS IN PLACE TO EX INSPECT THINGS EARLIER BEFORE THEY GET CLOSED UP.
SO WITH THE INSTALLATION AS AN EXAMPLE, AN INSPECTOR HAS TO COME IN WHILE THE WALLS ARE STILL OPEN, WHICH I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW, WE MAY REQUIRE THAT, BUT I GUESS THAT ISN'T WHAT'S IN THE BUILDING CODE, THE STATE BUILDING CODE RECOMMENDATIONS CURRENTLY.
UM, AND JUST OTHER, THERE WERE OTHER, OTHER THINGS TO SORT OF HELP PREVENT THINGS HAPPENING AFTER ONCE WALLS HAVE BEEN CLOSED UP AND IT BECOMES A WHOLE BIG EXPENSIVE ORDEAL TO GO BACK IN.
UM, AND THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW IT'S BASED ON PROVEN TECHNOLOGY SYSTEMS AND RESEARCH, BUT NOW I GOTTA DO ALL THAT RESEARCH.
AND AT THE SAME TIME I DID AN, IN THE EXISTING HOUSE, I HAD THE FOAM SPRAYED IN MY, ON MY OUTER WALLS OF THE, OF THE, UM, AGAINST THE ROOF.
UM, I HAD NO INCREASE IN MY FUEL BILLS OR ELECTRIC BILLS WITH A 25% INCREASE IN THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE BECAUSE WITH THE EXTRA TRANSLATION AND I WAS RUNNING LOW FUEL BILLS BEFORE THAT, IT WASN'T LIKE I HAD HIGH FUEL BILLS BECAUSE WITH A GARRETT, YOU TEND TO HAVE A HOUSE THAT, UM, IS ENERGY EFFICIENT JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE EXTRA SPACE.
WHICH BY THE WAY, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE OUT IN THE SUMMER, WHEN LIZ INTRODUCED US TO THE GRID REWARDS, I GOT A EMAIL TODAY,
DID ANYBODY ELSE DO IT? DID THEY GET THEIR EMAIL TODAY?
UM, IF YOU DROPPED IT ON THE DAYS, THEY SENT YOU A NOTICE THAT WHEN THEY WANTED TO SAVE ANYTHING, 'CAUSE IT WAS A VERY HOT DAY, UM, YOU WOULD GET A FINANCIAL REWARD AT THE END OF THE SUMMER.
AND I GUESS SOME OF US SIGNED UP FOR IT, AND I DID GET A NOTICE THAT I WOULD BE GETTING A FINANCIAL REWARD.
WELL, I SIGNED UP OR NOTICE YET.
SO MAYBE I DIDN'T DO A GOOD JOB, BUT I SIGNED UP FOR ALL YOUR EMAIL IS IN THE, IN THE IS ON ITS WAY.
DO YOU HAVE THE GRID REWARDS APP ON YOUR PHONE? UM, I, LET ME CHECK.
I MAY HAVE, I, WHEN I SIGNED UP, I MAY HAVE GOTTEN, UH, GOTTEN THE APP, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER BECAUSE YOU NEED THE APP.
THAT'S WHERE IT'LL SHOW YOU IT ALSO.
WHAT WAS COOL, TERRY? HOW, LIKE, I KNOW LIKE ONE DAY WE WERE YES, I HAVE IT.
SO IT'LL, ON THERE, IT'LL SHOW YOU.
LIKE, WE WERE, ONE DAY WE WERE, WE WERE 80% COMPLIANT.
AND THEN ONE DAY WE HIT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
OH, YOU, YOU PROBABLY COULD GET A MUCH BIGGER CHECK THAN I
I DIDN'T LOOK AT WHAT PERCENTAGE I WAS, I WAS JUST INTERESTED.
'CAUSE IT JUST SEEMED LIKE WHEN I WAS SIGNING UP, I THINK WE ALL HAD, WHO DID THIS IN THE SUMMER, WE HAD TROUBLE SIGNING UP FOR THIS THING.
IT WAS NOT THE MOST GRACEFUL IN BETWEEN BOTH THE V REWARDS WEBSITE AND CON ED'S WEBSITE.
UM, IT TOOK A LOT OF, UH, PERSEVERANCE AND STAMINA TO FINALLY GET SIGNED UP.
TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE, IT LOOKS LIKE I DID GET A REWARD.
I THINK NEXT WE'LL HEAR FROM ALFRED IF YOU WOULD ALFRED.
UM, IF YOU RECALL, UM, DURING OUR MEETING BEFORE AND WITH, UH, BLOOM ENERGY, THERE WAS USUAL OF CARBON DIOXIDE.
SO I'M GOING TO START WITH USUAL OF CARBON DIOXIDE BECAUSE MIKE, UH, HE EMAILED ME TO MAKE A COMMENT ON, UH, WHETHER C O TWO IS A CO CARCINOGEN.
THE CO CARCINOGEN IS A SUBSTANCE THAT BY ITSELF IS NOT CARCINOGENIC.
IT DOESN'T CAUSE CANCER, BUT IF IT, YOU KNOW, REACTS WITH SOMETHING ELSE, THEN IT MIGHT CAUSE CANCER.
SO, SO THERE WAS THIS LITTLE COMMENT SOMEWHERE BECAUSE IF YOU, AGAIN, IF YOU REMEMBER, THERE HAS BEEN QUITE A ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, C O TWO.
AND MIKE WAS REALLY VERY INSISTENT ON THIS
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C O TWO AND ASKED, HE REALLY ASKED A LOT OF, UH, QUESTIONS FROM ENERGY, I MEAN FROM BLOOM ENERGY.AND SO I LOOKED INTO IT AND, UM, I, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT C O TWO IS A CO CARCINOGEN.
UH, ONE OF THE PAPERS THAT I READ, I THINK THAT WAS A CONFUSION BETWEEN C O TWO AND CARBON MONOXIDE, WHICH OF COURSE IS A DIFFERENT BALL GAME.
UM, MOST OF THE AGENCIES THAT I LOOKED THROUGH THEIR WRITINGS ABOUT WHAT C O TWO REALLY DOES, YOU KNOW, IN A LONG-TERM BASIS, UH, GENICITY IS NOT ONE OF THEM.
AND IN MY PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE, I, I USED TO BE A PATHOLOGIST.
SO WHEN I USED TO DO RESEARCH AND ALL THAT, I NEVER REALLY THOUGHT THAT C O TWO WAS, UM, AGEN, BUT I STILL HAD TO CHECK JUST IN CASE.
HOWEVER, C O TWO IS NOT ALL THAT INNO COURSE.
UH, SOON KNOW, C O TWO IS IN THE AIR, YOU KNOW, YOU BREATHE IT OUT WHEN YOU DO YOUR, WHEN YOU THE RESPIRATION, YOU'RE TAKING OXYGEN AND YOU PRODUCE CARBON DIOXIDE.
AND SO CARBONIDE IS IN THE AIR ALL THE TIME.
THEY, THE, UH, EFFECT OF C O TWO THAT I FOUND WAS ALWAYS ACUTE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE, UH, TOO MUCH C O TWO, WHAT REALLY HAPPENS AND UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES DO HAVE TOO MUCH.
C O TWO, UM, C O TWO USUALLY IS MEASURED, IS MEASURED IN PARTS PER MILLION.
AND I THINK NORMALLY IN THE ATMOSPHERE, IN THE REGULAR ATMOSPHERE IS ABOUT 400.
ANYTHING FROM 400 TO 1000 PARTS PER MILLION, UH, IS WHAT IS NORMAL.
WHEN THE LEVEL GOES, YOU KNOW, OVER 1000, THEN PEOPLE BEGIN TO HAVE, UM, A PHYSICAL EFFECT OF THE C O TWO.
USUALLY IT'S, YOU KNOW, CENTRAL IN OUR SYSTEM IS JUST LIKE RESTLESSNESS, LIKE, UH, DROWSINESS.
UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THEN THE HIGHER IT GOES, THEN YOU MAY ACTUALLY LOSE CONSCIOUSNESS WHEN IT GOES TO SOMETHING LIKE THREE OR 4,000 PARTS PER MILLION.
UH, SPECIFICALLY IN OUR CASE, BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY NOT, WE'RE NOT SPEAKING, UH, UH, IN THEORY, THERE'S A PRACTICAL ASPECT OF IT WITH BLOOM ENERGY, UH, BECAUSE WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS GOING TO PRODUCE C O TWO.
UH, THE AMOUNT OF C O TWO THEY'RE PRODUCING IS REALLY NOT AS MUCH AS LIKE THEY SAID FROM THE BIG ENERGY COMPANIES, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO PRODUCE C O TWO IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AND THERE'S A PROXIMITY OF A SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, TO WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PRODUCE THIS, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PRODUCE THIS ENERGY.
SO WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT C O TWO THAT IS PRODUCED? THEN I WENT INTO CHECK IN, OKAY, WHAT IS THE EFFECT OF C O TWO WITH SCHOOLS? WHAT HAPPENS? AND ACTUALLY THERE IS A, YOU KNOW, A FAIR AMOUNT OF RESEARCH THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN THIS COUNTRY AND OUTSIDE, UH, AT WHAT LEVEL DO CHILDREN BEGIN TO BE AFFECTED BY THE AMOUNT OF C O TWO IN THE ENVIRONMENT? AND WHAT DOES IT DO TO THEM? WHAT IT DOES TO THEM IS AGAIN, MAKES THEM DROWSY.
YOU KNOW, THEY BECOME RESTLESS.
THEY, UH, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, MAY, UH, NOT BE ABLE TO FOLLOW CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR CLASSES BECAUSE OF THE EFFECT OF C O TWO.
UM, SO THEN THAT RAISES A QUESTION, UH, BECAUSE, UH, ONE OF THOSE SCHOOLS ARE CLOSE TO WHERE, UH, BLOOM ENERGY IS GOING TO, UH, PRODUCE ENERGY FOR ARTISTS.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE CHILDREN IN THAT SCHOOL IF THERE IS A DRAFT THAT TAKES THIS C O TWO INTO THEIR CLASS, AND WE DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE WIND DIRECTION FROM WHERE THEY'RE PRODUCING IT WITH THIS SCHOOL.
SO IT BECOMES A PRACTICAL ISSUE, AND I THINK WE SHOULD RAISE THIS ISSUE WITH THEM.
WHAT DO, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE STUDENTS IN THAT PARTICULAR SCHOOL? SO THE FEAR NOW IS NOT THE FEAR OF, UH, C O TWO BEING A CARCINOGEN, BUT THE QUESTION IS WHETHER C O TWO CAN ACTUALLY AFFECT THE PERFORMANCE OF THE STUDENTS IN SCHOOL.
SO THAT, UH, I ATTENDED A MEETING, UH, WHICH ACTUALLY SENT, I, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, TERRY SENT THE, UH, UH, THE ENTIRE MEETING, WHICH THEY SENT TO ME.
I THINK ALL THE MEMBERS OF C S C RECEIVED THAT.
SO I REALLY DON'T WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMENT ON THAT.
UH, IF YOU WANT ME TO DO FURTHER WORK.
AND ACTUALLY IMMEDIATELY AFTER I GOT IT, I WENT AND LOOKED AT IT.
UH, IT WAS A MEETING, UH, FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
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PEOPLE AT THE MAXIMUM THAT ATTENDED.SO, AND EVERYBODY, IT WAS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SMART ENERGY IN YOUR HOME, WHAT DO YOU DO? YOU KNOW? SO I, IT WENT INTO A LITTLE BIT OF INSULATION, WENT INTO, YOU KNOW, WHAT SORT OF CLEAN ENERGY YOU HAVE.
I PERSONALLY GAINED, UH, SOMETHING FROM IT BECAUSE I ACTUALLY HAD A GEO SUMMER FROM A FRIEND OF MINE WHO MOVED SOMEWHERE IN ONE OF THE, UH, TOWNS IN CONNECTICUT, AND THEY WERE HITTING THIS NEW CONDOMINIUM WITH GEO THERMA.
AND I, IT JUST RANG IT JUST SAID IT, AND I DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION TO IT.
BUT THIS PARTICULAR WEBINAR REALLY, REALLY, YOU KNOW, MENTIONED IT, DISCUSSED IT IN DETAIL, AND I GAINED A LOT FROM IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT I KNEW EVERYTHING ABOUT CLEAN ENERGY, BUT ACTUALLY THIS WAS TOTALLY NEW.
AND IT WENT INTO, UH, THE PRACTICALITIES OF FAITH AND THAT THAT THE, UH, THE GROUND TEMPERATURE IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY AT A PARTICULAR LEVEL IS 55 DEGREES CENTIGRADE, WHICH MEANS IT'S QUITE WARM.
AND THE IDEA IS THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, SINK A PIPE AND, UH, BRING IN THAT HEAT TO HIT YOUR HOME.
AND OBVIOUSLY THEN THAT BRINGS TO THE HEAT EURO, OKAY? THEY HAVE TO SINK THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS HOLE IN YOUR BACKYARD AND YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IT GOING TO DO TO YOUR ENVIRONMENT OR TO YOUR, UM, UH, TO YOUR FOUNDATION.
UM, SO THERE WERE THREE, UH, THERE WERE THREE PEOPLE WHO GIVE THE EXAMPLES OF HOW THEY CONVERTED INTO GEOTHERMAL.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A GUY OWNER WHO HAD SOLAR PANELS ON HIS ROOF AND HAD GEOTHERMAL ALSO, I THINK YOU CAN REFER TO THE, UH, THE WEBINAR, THE WHOLE WEBINAR WAS SENT, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WAS SAID THERE.
AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT, I HAVE, I STILL HAVE IT, I CAN SEND IT TO ALL OF YOU.
UM, AND THEN SOMEWHERE IN OCTOBER, I ATTENDED THIS MEETING ON, UM, ON WESTCHESTER COUNTY, UM, HAZARD, HAZARD MITIGATION, UH, PLAN.
UH, AND THIS MAN WAS FOR, UH, IT'S, IT'S ALSO COVERED, UM, THE FEMA MITIGATION PLAN.
IT DOES BRIEFLY, BUT IT'S CONCENTRATED MOSTLY ON WESTCHESTER.
AND THERE WERE 17 PEOPLE WHO ATTENDED AT THE, AT THE, AT THE HIGHEST, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WERE GOING IN AND OUT FOR 17 PEOPLE ATTENDED.
AND THAT INCLUDED, UM, REPRESENTATIVES FROM TARRYTOWN, FROM, UM, HARRISON, FROM ASLEY.
AND THEN THERE WERE ALSO, UH, UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE MEDICAL, UH, COMMUNITY FROM MONTEFIORE AND ALSO FROM ST.
UH, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE FROM THE COUNTY THAT WERE PUTTING THE MEETINGS TOGETHER, IT WAS QUITE COMPREHENSIVE.
AND I THINK IT LASTED ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF.
AND SO IT, IT WENT ON TO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT EVERY MUNICIPALITY, THE COUNTY AND EVERY MUNICIPALITY, YOU KNOW, HAVE MUST HAVE A MITIGATION PLAN EVERY FIVE YEARS.
THEY HAD TO BE REVISED EVERY FIVE YEARS.
AND, AND THEN IT MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE, UH, HAZARDS THAT PRESENT IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY AND MENTIONS THAT THERE WERE SEVEN HURRICANES AND SIX SEVERE STORMS AND, UH, UH, TORNADOES AND LIGHTNING AND FLOODING, UH, IN WEST, SO MANY OF THEM IN, UH, UH, IN THE SHORT PERIOD OF TIME IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY.
UM, SO WE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE COMMON THINGS THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS REVERENT, FLOODED, YOU KNOW, HURRICANE SURGE, UH, WIND DAMAGE EARTHQUAKE, WHICH WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE.
UM, AND THEN WILD, YOU KNOW, UH, URBAN FIRES.
UM, SO IN 2021, THE HAZARDS OF CONCERN THAT COULD MENTIONED WAS DISEASE OUTBREAK.
AND THAT WAS WHERE, I THINK THAT WAS WHERE WHY THE MEDICAL COMMITTEE WAS PAYING.
AND I THINK THIS DISEASE OUTBREAK BECOMES VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF COVID.
ORDINARILY THIS WOULD'VE NOT BEEN IMPORTANT AT ALL, BUT I THINK COVID, UM, WHERE MORE THAN THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION PEOPLE HAVE DIED WITHIN TWO YEARS, UH, REALLY BECOMES IMPORTANT.
AND THEN THEY MENTIONED, AGAIN, EARTHQUAKES, EXTREME TEMPERATURES, EITHER COLD OR OR HOT FLOODING, UH, SEVERE STORMS AND, UH, IN THE, UH, AND THUNDERSTORMS AND WILDFIRE, AND THEN CHEMICAL, BIOLOGICAL, RADIOLOGICAL AND NUCLEAR, UH, EVENTS.
UH, THEN THEY ALSO MENTIONED AS A FAR FAKE THING, YOU KNOW, CYBER ATTACK AND THEN CRITICAL INTRA INFRASTRUCTURE FAILURE.
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PLAN, THE WESTCHESTER, UH, COUNTY PLAN, UH, IS, UH, DIVIDED INTO NINE PHASES FROM PHASE ONE, WHICH STARTED SOMETIME IN SEPTEMBER.AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL, YOU KNOW, ALL THE PHASES UNTIL PHASE NINE, WHICH IS GOING TO END SOMETIME IN JANUARY, UH, 2022.
AND THAT AT PHASE NINE IS WHERE THE IMPLEMENTATION IS.
UH, SO EACH MUNICIPALITY IS SUPPOSED TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS.
UH, SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE TOWN OF RAINBOW.
UM, SO THERE WAS A GENERAL DISCUSSION AFTER THE PRESENTATION BY THE COUNTY PEOPLE.
AND, UM, SO SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE RAISED WAS THE EURO BACKUP POWER WHEN THERE IS MASSIVE, UH, POWER FAILURE, AND THEN THE ISSUE WITH NURSING HOMES AND FLOODING AND WHERE TO EVACUATE THE NURSING HOME PATIENTS, IF THAT DOES OCCUR.
AND THEN THEY MENTIONED, UH, UH, HIGHWAY FLOODING, UH, DEVELOPING COOLING CENTERS IN THE SUMMER, UM, WHEN THERE IS EXCESSIVE HEAT, AND THEN MITIGATION FOR FLOODING IN VARIOUS SPACES.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THE PANDEMIC I MENTIONED.
AND THEN MASS EVACUATION PLAN, SHOULD THERE BE, UH, SOME DISASTER IN AN AREA WHERE YOU HAVE TO EVACUATE, UH, LARGE AMOUNT, LARGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE.
UH, THEY DISCUSSED FLOOD MAPS, AND IT WAS, IT'S NOW REGARDED AS PREVIOUS FLOOD MAPS THAT MOST TOWNS AND MOST MUNICIPALITIES FACILITIES HAVE ARE ACTUALLY INSUFFICIENT BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES IN CLIMATE OVER RECENT TIMES.
AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO A DISCUSSION ABOUT FLOOD INSURANCE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY SAID IT USED TO BE CHEAP, BUT NOW BECAUSE OF WHAT IS GOING ON, IT'S NOW MORE, MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO, SO PEOPLE HAD FLOOD INSURANCE A FEW YEARS BACK, YEARS, KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THEIR RATES HAVE GONE UP AND THAT IF 4 0 1 FLOOD INSURANCE IN ADDITION TO THEIR HOME INSURANCE, THEN THEY'LL HAVE TO PAY A LOT MORE.
UM, AND THAT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, UH, WHAT I GOT OUT OF THE MEETING.
I THINK YOU DID A VERY GOOD JOB OF REPORTING, AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS ON THE C O TWO, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AS WE LOOK AT WHAT'S GONNA COME OUT OF THAT FACILITY GIVEN WHERE IT'S LOCATED.
ALSO, ALFRED, UM, I THINK THE ONLY PERSON WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM WHO'S BEEN BUSY LOOKING AT THESE WIND BARS AND WHATNOT IS NANCY.
I, I WENT TO SOMETHING CALLED CLIMATE SOLUTIONS ONE CLEAN PLATE, AND I CAN'T, THERE'S JUST, I CAN'T IMAGINE A MORE UPBEAT, INSPIRING COUPLE OF TALKS THAN THE TWO THAT I HEARD.
UH, ONE OF THEM WAS ALICE WATERS, WHO, UH, WHO RUNS THE FOUNDED AND RUNS THE RESTAURANT, SHEA PANIS IN BERKELEY, CALIFORNIA.
AND SHE TOLD THE STORY OF HER OWN HISTORY THAT WHEN SHE WAS AT, WHEN SHE WAS 19, SHE WENT TO FRANCE AND HAD THIS EYE-OPENING EXPERIENCE WHEN SHE TASTED WILD STRAWBERRIES, WHICH OUT IN THE FOREST.
AND, UH, SO SHE WAS THERE FOR A WHILE AND DECIDED THAT WHEN SHE CAME HOME THAT SHE WANTS TO EAT LIKE THE FRENCH PEOPLE EAT.
THAT'S WHERE SHE GOT HER HER START, REALLY.
UM, SO SHE CAME BACK, SHE BOUGHT HER ALL THE FOOD FOR CHEZ PANIS COMES DIRECTLY FROM THE FARMS. SHE ALSO DID A PROJECT CALLED EDIBLE SCHOOLYARD STARTING IN THE 1990S WHERE SHE, UM, WORKED EX UH, EXPOSED SCHOOL SCHOOLCHILDREN TO THE EXPERIENCE OF FOOD AND ITS PLEASURES BECAUSE SHE STATES WE WON'T CHANGE OUR HABITS UNTIL WE FALL IN LOVE WITH NATURE.
AND, UM, SHE SAYS THE VALUES THAT COME WITH FAST FOOD ARE NOT GOOD.
FOOD IS NOT REALLY FAST, CHEAP AND EASY.
IT'S PRECIOUS, AND IT'S NOT TO BE THROWN OUT IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT.
SO, UM, NOW I'M GETTING GOOSEBUMPS.
I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER PEOPLE FEEL THIS WAY, BUT BASICALLY SHE WAS JUST SAYING, UM, LET'S FOCUS ON FOOD SUSTAINABILITY.
THE GOVERNMENT STILL HAS ITS LITERATURE ABOUT VICTORY GARDENS FROM, I GUESS, WORLD WAR FROM WHEN WORLD WAR II OR WORLD WAR II.
AND, UM, SO SHE'S ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO HAVE A MORE VISCERAL RELATIONSHIP TO FOOD AND TO GROW THEIR OWN FOOD.
AND THEN THE SECOND PART WAS, UM, A MAN CALLED FELIX BROOKS CHURCH.
HE, HE'S INVOLVED WITH, UM, MICRONUTRIENT MALNUTRITION.
ALSO KNOWN AS HIDDEN HUNGER, WHICH MEANS YOU
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HAVE FOOD, BUT THE FOOD DOESN'T HAVE NUTRIENTS.AND SO HE SAID, THIS PHENOMENON KILLS 14,000, LIKE I KNOW CHILDREN OR PEOPLE A DAY.
SO HE IS IN AFRICA, AND HE, UM, HE NOTICES THIS MICRONUTRIENT MALNUTRITION, VITAMINS, MINERALS ARE NEEDED FOR STRENGTH AND IMMUNITY.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THESE, YOU'RE JUST, YOU'RE NOT GONNA THRIVE.
SO WHAT CAN HE DO? UM, SO THERE ARE MANY SMALL FLOUR MILLS THERE, AND HE DECIDED, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAVE TO GET THEM TO FORTIFY THE FLOUR WITH VITAMINS AND MINERALS.
WELL, HELLO, IF YOU'RE A SMALL MILL OWNER, YOU ARE NOT GONNA PAY EXTRA MONEY FOR VITAMINS AND MINERALS BECAUSE THEN YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SELL YOUR FLOUR, YOU KNOW, OR MAKE A PROFIT.
SO HE GOT VERY CREATIVE AND HE FOUND WAYS TO REDUCE THE OTHER COSTS THAT THE MILLS WERE FACING, LIKE THE COST OF FLOWER SACKS.
AND I THINK FOUND A WAY LIKE TO REUSE THE FLOWER SACKS OR SOMEHOW, UM, REDUCED OTHER COSTS THAT THEY WERE FACING SO THAT THE PRICE OF THE ENRICHED FLOUR WAS NOT ANY MORE THAN THE UNENRICHED.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT'S GOING, AND THEY HAVE IT ALL, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COMPUTERIZED AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S REALLY DOING IT.
AND IT'S THIS, IT'S THIS WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL PROJECT.
THEY, THEY, UH, DEVELOPED A PARTIC A SPECIAL MACHINE, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, PUTS IN THE VITAMINS AND MINERALS FOR THE SMALL MILLS.
HOW, HOW, HOW, HOW DID, HOW DID HE MEASURE, UM, HOW DID, HOW DID HE KNOW ABOUT THIS MICRONUTRIENT DEFICIENCY? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
WELL, HOW DID HE MEASURE IT? WHAT DID HE MEASURE? WELL, I THINK THAT, UM, IF A CHILD DOESN'T HAVE MICRONUTRIENTS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, THEY'RE LISTLESS, THEY DON'T GROW.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T GET STRONG.
THEY DON'T HAVE GOOD IMMUNITY.
THEY JUST DON'T FULFILL THEIR POTENTIAL.
YOU REALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET THESE MICRONUTRIENTS.
WELL, AND I KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I AM, I MEAN, HE JUST LOOKED AT THE DIET AND HE SAID, IF THE DIET CONSISTS OF UNENRICHED FLOUR AND WHATEVER ELSE THE DIET CONSISTED OF, YOU KNOW, THEY WEREN'T, THE NUTRIENTS WEREN'T THERE.
IT'S NOT LIKE THEY WERE HUNGRY.
THEIR BELLIES WERE FULL, BUT THEY WEREN'T REALLY BEING NOURISHED.
THAT'S THE, THE EQUIVALENT IN THE FIRST WORLD WOULD BE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE, WHEN PEOPLE EAT A GREAT DEAL OF, UM, LIKE FAST FOOD, THEY'RE GETTING CALORIES, BUT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY GETTING SUFFICIENT NUTRITION.
SO I, I THINK THERE IS, THERE IS, I GUESS WE GET DOWN TO WHAT IS THE PARTICULAR FOOD VALUE OF SOMETHING YOU'RE EATING.
BUT I KNOW WHAT, I GUESS WHAT'S PROBABLY IN ALFRED'S MIND IS VERY OFTEN WE MAY LOOK AT WHAT PEOPLE EAT, AND IT SEEMS STRANGE TO US, BUT THE COMBINATION OF THE THINGS THEY TRADITIONALLY EAT IS ACTUALLY AN ADEQUATE DIET.
UH, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT ALL OF, YOU KNOW, I HAD, I'M KIND OF HAVING THIS THING IN MY BRAIN.
IF WE ALL WENT BACK TO LIVING LIKE IT WAS 1940, WE'D SOLVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS.
WE WOULD BE, UH, NOT OWNING AS MUCH CLOTHING, BUT THE CLOTHING WOULD BE, UH, MORE DETAILED AND STYLING.
SO THERE'D BE MORE HIGH SKILLED JOBS FOR PEOPLE.
HAD A LOT IN TERMS OF WHEN YOU LOOK AT STUFF, HOW DO YOU EVALUATE HOW SOMEONE CAME UP WITH SAYING, THIS IS WHAT'S A NEEDED SOLUTION, WHETHER IT REALLY WAS NEEDED OR NOT.
UM, BUT I THINK WHAT HAS BEEN FOR ME TODAY VERY, UM, ENLIGHTENING IS HEARING FROM THOSE PEOPLE WHO TOOK THE TIME TO ATTEND THESE CONFERENCES, THE DIFFERENT IDEAS, AND SHARING THEM WITH EACH OTHER.
AND I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE HOPEFULLY A CONTINUAL THING THAT WE DO AS A GROUP, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, UM, WE CAN'T ATTEND ALL OF THEM, ANY ONE OF US, NOR DO WE NECESSARILY, UM, HAVE THE TIME ALWAYS TO DO IT.
BUT IT DOES GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN FROM EACH OTHER AND KEEP INCREASING OUR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THINGS.
BECAUSE AS WE LIKE TO SAY, WE LIKE TO BE A, UM, KNOWLEDGE-BASED C A C.
AND I THINK, FOR INSTANCE, ALFRED'S REPORTING ON C O TWO IS INDICATIVE OF THAT.
WE'VE RULED OUT ONE POSSIBLE PROBLEM WITH C O TWO, BUT HE'S RAISED ANOTHER VERY SIGNIFICANT ONE THAT WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF.
AND WE REALLY DO LEARN FROM EACH OTHER.
AND WE DO WANNA DO ALL OF WHAT WE DO BASED ON SCIENCE, UM, AND NOT ON, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I FEEL, OR I FEEL, OR THIS IS WHAT EVERYONE SAYS, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE REASON YOU MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
YOU MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE
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THERE'S A REASON FOR THEM.SO I THINK THEY'VE ALL INCREASED OUR KNOWLEDGE TONIGHT, AND THANK YOU.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR TONIGHT? I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR NANCY.
NANCY, WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE WOMAN THAT YOU MENTIONED? I WANNA LOOK, READ UP ON IT RIGHT NOW.
NUTRITION IS, ESPECIALLY GROWING YOUR OWN FOOD, IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME.
AND SHE'S WRITTEN SEVERAL BOOKS.
AND, AND YOU HAD A SECOND QUESTION.
AND I WAS JUST CONFIRMING FELIX BROOKS CHURCH WAS THE, THE GENTLEMAN.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S, I DON'T KNOW IF THESE PROGRAMS ARE STILL AVAILABLE SOMEWHERE.
I MEAN, THEY REALLY WORK WONDERFUL.
SO I MEAN, I CAN FIND OUT IF THEY'RE, IF THE VIDEO IS STILL AVAILABLE SOMEWHERE ONLINE AND LET PEOPLE KNOW.
YOU, YOU, YOU QUOTED HER, YOU QUOTED ALICE AS SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT FOOD THAT I THOUGHT WAS VERY INTERESTING, BUT I MISSED THE ENTIRE QUOTE.
UH, SHE SAID THAT FOOD IS NEITHER FAST NOR CHEAP, NOR WHAT WAS THE REST OF THAT.
SHE SAID THE, THE VALUES THAT COME WITH A SOCIETY THAT, YOU KNOW, RELIES ON FAST FOOD ARE NOT GOOD.
UM, FOOD, BECAUSE YOU GET THE IMPRESSION THAT FOOD IS FAST, CHEAP, AND EASY, AND IF YOU THROW IT AWAY, IT'S NO PROBLEM.
SHE SAID FOOD, FOOD IS NOT REALLY FAST, CHEAP AND EASY.
IT'S PRECIOUS AND IT'S NOT TO BE THROWN OUT IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT.
AND SHE'S TRYING TO INFLUENCE PEOPLE'S ATTITUDES TOWARD MM-HMM.
WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THIS TREMENDOUS PROBLEM OF FOOD WASTE BECAUSE, UM, AND YOU KNOW, MIKE SIEGEL HAD WORKED WITH KEN, KEN JONES TO TRY AND GET THE STATE TO PASS, UH, LEGISLATION SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY HAVE IN FRANCE, WHICH BASICALLY HAS ALL THE SUPERMARKETS HAVE TO DONATE THE FOOD AT THE END OF THE DAY.
IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA SELL IT, THEY CAN'T PUT IT IN THE DUMPSTER.
NOW, SOME, SOME, SOME SUPERMARKETS DO DO THIS, BUT SOME ARE RELUCTANT TO USUALLY THE SMALLER ONES, YOU KNOW, THE ONE AND TWO, TWO, UH, UNIT CHAINS BECAUSE OF THE FEAR OF LIABILITY.
AND I KNOW KEN AND MIKE WERE TRYING TO GET THE STATE TO PASS LEGISLATION, UM, THAT WOULD BASICALLY REMOVE THE THREAT OF BEING SKEWED.
UM, IT GOT CAUGHT UP IN SOMETHING ELSE THE STATE WAS DOING IN TERMS OF FARM WASTE, AND IT DIDN'T QUITE GO THROUGH THE WAY THEY HAD HOPED IT WOULD.
BUT FRAMING NOW HAS SOMETHING, NOT JUST ON THROWING OUT FOOD, BUT I THINK EVEN THROWING OUT CLOTHING, YOU KNOW, SURPLUS CLOTHING THAT DOESN'T GET SOLD IN DEPARTMENT STORES HAS TO BE GIVEN AWAY THE CHARITIES TO BE GIVEN TO PEOPLE.
IN OTHER WORDS, ONE OF OUR BIG PROBLEMS IS, IS WASTE IN TERMS OF FOOD.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO'S OLD ENOUGH TO HAVE BEEN A, A, A TODDLER DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR, YOU KNOW, I CAN REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, BANANAS BEING CUT INTO THIRDS WITH THE THREE OF US, AND WE ALL GOT A THIRD OF A BANANA.
YOU DIDN'T GET A WHOLE BANANA BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE THREE YEARS OLD, YOU'RE NOT GONNA EAT A WHOLE BANANA.
AND MY MOTHER WAS NOT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, COMING OUT OF THE DEPRESSION AND COMING OUT OF A DIFFERENT TIME, PEOPLE WERE DIFFERENT.
AND I, AND I ALWAYS, I THINK THE THING THAT CRYSTALLIZED THIS FOR ME, ONCE I WAS WAITING IN THE CAR DEALERSHIP FOR MY CAR WAS BEING SERVICED AND THIS VERY CONSCIENTIOUS AND CONCERNED MOTHER GAVE HER PROBABLY THREE AND A HALF YEAR OLD AND FIVE YEAR OLD EACH A BIG APPLE.
NOW, THERE WAS NO WAY THESE CHILDREN WERE GOING TO CONSUME THIS APPLE, EVEN IF SHE HAD CUT IT IN HALF AND GIVEN EACH OF THEM A HALF OF APPLE.
AND IT JUST, IT CRYSTALLIZED THAT ONE MOMENT CRYSTALLIZED TO ME THE IDEA OF FOOD WASTE.
HERE WE HAD TWO APPLES THAT BASICALLY PROBABLY WERE GROWN TO BE TOO BIG FOR NORMAL CONSUMPTION BECAUSE UNLESS YOU WERE USING THEM FOR PIES OR SOMETHING, WHY WOULD YOU WANT AN APPLE THAT SIZE? BECAUSE IF YOU WERE EATING AN APPLE, YOU DON'T WANT AN APPLE APPLE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALMOST THE SIZE OF A CANTALOUPE.
AND, AND HERE IT WAS, I'M SURE SHE WASN'T THINKING ABOUT IT, BUT I'M SURE AT THE END OF THE DAY, NEITHER APPLE PROBABLY WAS EATEN BY AN EIGHTH OF IT AND THEY WERE BOTH GONNA GO IN THE GARBAGE.
AND WE CONSTANTLY ALSO, AND THIS IS, I'M SHOWING MY AGE WHEN I WAS A KID, WHEN YOU WENT TO THE SUPERMARKET, A AND P WAS THE SUPERMARKET, THEN THERE WERE GRADES ON CANNED GOODS.
IN OTHER WORDS, THERE WAS THE TOP GRADE THAT WAS MOST EXPENSIVE, THAT WAS PERFECT.
THIS IS, I GUESS IF YOU'RE SERVING AT A DINNER AND THEN THERE WOULD THE MIDDLE GRADE AND, AND A LOW GRADE.
AND IT WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE LOWER GRADE, IT JUST DIDN'T LOOK BEAUTIFUL.
BUT FOR INSTANCE, IF IT WAS FRUIT AND YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE A PIE, YOU DIDN'T NEED PERFECT LOOKING
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FRUIT.WELL THAT GOES BACK TO MY COMMENT THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO REALLY GO BACK TO 1940 AND LOOK AT HOW WE WERE LIVING.
AND PEOPLE DID GROW MORE, PEOPLE DID GROW THEIR OWN VEGETABLES IN THE SUMMER.
SO, SO ANOTHER, ANOTHER QUOTE THAT ELLIS WATERS HAD IS, UM, I IS, UM, GROWING YOUR OWN FOOD IS LIKE PRINTING YOUR OWN MONEY.
LIZ, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING? YEAH, TWO THINGS.
ONE, TARA, YOU'LL BE HAPPY TO KNOW THAT STONE BARNS IS ACTUALLY FOCUSING A LOT ON USING ALL PARTS OF THE VEGETABLE AND THE GREENS.
AND IF IT'S NOT PRETTY, THEN BAKE IT INTO A PIE AND FOCUSING ON WASTE.
BUT I AM CURIOUS, AND I AM GUESSING THAT THE PANDEMIC PROBABLY PUTS SOME OF THIS ON HOLD.
DOES, ARE YOU GUYS INVOLVED IN THE, UM, FOOD WASTE, RECYCLE FOOD, SCRAP RECYCLING, AND DO WE KNOW IF THAT'S EVER GONNA GO TO A PICKUP SITUATION AND CURBSIDE? I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT IS A BIG SOLUTION.
I I THINK THEY DO PICK UP IN SCARSDALE AND YOU CAN PAY TO GET IT PICKED UP.
BUT ALSO WHAT PEOPLE DO THAT IS SO BRILLIANT IS THEY PUT IT IN A ZIPLOC IN THEIR FREEZER UNTIL IT'S TIME TO DROP IT SOMETHING HOPEFULLY NOT A ZIPLOC.
BECAUSE YEAH, YOU CAN USE, USE IT OVER WE USEABLE PLASTIC TOP AND WE USABLE PLASTIC TUB.
NO, I I I, MY HUSBAND, IF HE WAS HERE RIGHT NOW, HE GOT LAUNCH INTO HIS THING WHERE HE MAKES FUN OF ME BECAUSE OUR, WE HAVE A SECOND FRIDGE AND THE ENTIRE FREEZER IS FILLED WITH MY FOOD SCRAPS.
AND ONCE THERE'S NO MORE ROOM, I PILE IT ALL UP IN MY CAR AND DUMP IT OVER AT ANTHONY, A VETERAN.
BUT I KNOW THERE WAS TALK UP EXPANDING IT AT SOME POINT TO CURBSIDE.
I, I THINK THERE WAS TWO THINGS GOING ON.
I THINK THERE'S ONE, ONE WAS THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IS EXTEND INTO CURBSIDE.
THE OTHER PROBLEM WE'RE FACING WITH THE FOOD SCRAPS IN THIS AREA IS THERE WAS A QUESTION AS TO WHERE THEY WERE TAKING THEM AND IF, WHERE THEY WERE TAKING THEM BY THE TIME THEY SPENT ALL THE ENERGY TO GET THE FOOD SCRAPS THERE OR DO CURBSIDE PICKUP, WERE WE NOT DOING AS MUCH ENVIRONMENTAL HARM BY DOING THAT AS JUST PUTTING THE SCRAPS IN THE GARBAGE? 'CAUSE THIS IS ALWAYS THE BALANCING ACT ON ANYTHING.
IT SOUNDS GREAT, BUT YOU REALLY HAVE TO BALANCE WHAT IT IS.
GEORGE
THOSE BANANA PEELS GET, GET CUT INTO SMALL PIECES AND EVERYTHING IS CHOPPED UP AS SMOOTH AS POSSIBLE.
AND IT HAS TO GO OF COURSE INTO A SEALED CONTAINER OUT IN THE YARD TO MIX WITH OTHER, UH, GREENS AND BROWNS.
WELL THE DIFFERENCE WITH THE INDUSTRIAL FOOD COMPOSTING IS THAT ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU CANNOT PUT IN YOUR BACKYARD COMPOST, LIKE BONES AND FAT AND MOLDY FOOD THAT CAN ALL GO INTO THE INDUSTRIAL.
BUT I THOUGHT YOU CAN, MAYBE I'M WRONG THAT THE GREENBERG NATURE CENTER HAD DONE STUDIES AND FELT AND SHOWED IT'S LIKE I HAD ATTENDED, I WAS SUPPOSED TO DO AN INFO SESSION FOR THEM AND THEY DO HAVE NUMBERS SHOWING THAT IT DOES COST LESS FOR US TO CART THE FOOD SCRAPS AT THE CURRENT RATE, THE AMOUNT THAT THEY'RE COLLECTING.
IT'S CHEAPER IN TERMS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL COST AND IT COSTS LESS TO, TO CART IT OVER ACROSS THE RIVER AS OPPOSED TO PAYING SANITATION TO PICK IT UP THAT IT IS MORE COST EFFICIENT TO DO IT THAT WAY.
AND THAT, I DON'T KNOW, YOU WOULD'VE TO, YOU'D HAVE TO SEE, AND YOU HAVE TO REALLY GO BY WHAT GARBAGE DISTRICTS ARE IN AND WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING.
BECAUSE I KNOW IN THE PAST, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GETS LOST IS FOR THE TIME BEING, UH, FOR INSTANCE, WESTCHESTER BURNS, ITS GARBAGE.
WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE IN THAT WE HAVE A CO-GENERATION PLANT, WHICH IS VERY UNUSUAL.
UH, WE DON'T, WE DON'T GO INTO LANDFILL.
'CAUSE FOR YEARS PEOPLE WOULD KEEP TALKING ABOUT GARBAGE AND LANDFILL AND IT REALLY ISN'T AN ISSUE NECESSARILY IN WESTCHESTER BECAUSE WE BURN OUR GARBAGE.
WE DON'T AND WE BURN IT AND GENERATE ENERGY.
SO I THINK WITH ANY OF THESE ISSUES, AND THIS GOES TO THE SCIENCE, IF YOU CAN GET THE SCIENCE ON THAT LIZ, THAT WHERE THEY'VE SHOWN THAT WHEREVER THIS, THIS STUFF IS BEING, SAY, PICKED UP IN SCARSDALE AND WHEN THEY DO THE PICKUP, THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL COST IN TERMS OF, OF THE UH, C O TWO INVOLVED TO CARTER IT TO WHEREVER IT'S GOING AND TO PICK IT UP, UM, IS OUT, YOU KNOW, IS LESS THAN JUST LETTING THIS STUFF BECOME REGULAR GARBAGE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, THAT'S ALWAYS THE PLAYING GAME.
WE ARE LOOKING AT WHERE IS THE ADVANTAGE.
OF COURSE, THE OTHER, THE OTHER SOLUTION IS GEORGIA'S SOLUTION, WHICH I KNOW MY BROTHER-IN-LAW DOES AND I FEEL GUILTY THAT I DON'T DO, IS JUST TO DO IT ON SITE AT YOUR HOUSE.
BUT YOU'RE LIMITED WHAT YOU COULD DO.
I MEAN, YOU CAN'T BE, WELL, I GUESS IF YOU DIG A DIFF DEEP ENOUGH PIT, YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE REALLY THE REASON YOU'RE NOT DOING DOING
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THAT IS YOU CAN'T DIG BONES AND IT'LL NEVER BREAK DOWN.IT NEEDS THE HEAT OF A INDUSTRIAL, THE STUFF THAT, YEAH.
UM, I THINK ALSO IF WE WERE TO DO IT THAT WAY, LIKE AT HOME YOU WOULD HAVE TO UH, KIND OF EDUCATE A LOT OF PEOPLE ON HOW TO PROPERLY DO IT AND THE PROPER WAY TO DO IT.
AND THAT WOULD BE HARDER TO DO THAN LIKE ACTUALLY JUST KIND OF TELLING PEOPLE TO PUT IT IN A BIN AND THEN CURBSIDE.
BUT I MEAN, I REMEMBER I DID A, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER BUT MY PROJECT I DID ON IT AND I REMEMBER YOU TELLING ME ABOUT ALL THE, UM, COSTS AND ALL THAT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CHANGED OR NOT.
I MEAN, I DID THAT TWO YEARS AGO, SO IT DEPENDS.
BUT I KNOW LIKE TRYING TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ON HOW TO PROPERLY DO IT IS, UH, KIND OF HARD TO DO.
'CAUSE IF YOU MESS UP ON COMPOSTING, THERE'S A HIGH CHANCE THAT IT'S JUST GONNA END UP BEING WASTE AND NOT ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, USABLE COMPOST.
WELL I THINK SOMETHING WE SHOULD PURSUE AND SEE WHERE IT GOES.
I MEAN, I CERTAINLY THINK WE SHOULD GET THE STUDY, FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF IT PROVES THAT IT, IT MAKES BETTER SENSE, THEN, THEN WE CAN GO BACK TO THE TOWN AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T WE MAKE THIS A LITTLE EASIER TO DO THAN, THAN HAVING TO CART IT OVER TO ANTHONY VETERAN.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT HAVING TO TAKE IT SOMEPLACE BECOMES A, AN IMPEDIMENT TO, TO DOING IT.
I'M HAPPY TO DO IT, BUT MY NEIGHBORS WON'T DO IT.
DO YOU KNOW, UM, 'CAUSE DO FER ALSO COLLECTS FOOD SCRAPS, BUT ARE THEY SENDING THEIRS TO A DIFFERENT FACILITY THAN I HAVE NO IDEA BECAUSE I, I'VE BEEN DUMPING MY STUFF IN BOTH PLACES AND I JUST NOTICED THAT THEIR SIGN DOESN'T ACCEPT ALL THE THINGS THAT OUR SIGN SAYS IT ACCEPTS.
AND I WAS LIKE, OOPS, YOU CONTAMINATING THEIR SITE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES TOO, THE SIGNAGE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MATCH UP WITH WHAT'S THE REALITY, WHICH IS THE OTHER THING.
WE OBVIOUSLY WE'VE ALL RUN INTO THAT WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE INFORMATION BEING DISPLAYED IS NOT CURRENT OR ACCURATE.
SO I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY WORTH MORE RESEARCH INTO, AND CERTAINLY IT PROVES THAT IT'S VIABLE ADVOCACY FOR THE TOWN TO, TO CONSIDER PICKING IT UP.
BECAUSE I DO THINK IN GREENBURG, AT LEAST I KNOW IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, PEOPLE ARE EXTREMELY CONSCIENTIOUS ABOUT PAPER RECYCLING AND, UM, PLASTIC RECYCLING.
I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T THINK, I THINK THIS HAS JUST BECOME A WAY OF LIFE IN, IN GREENBURG.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOW ALMOST 10 YEARS SINCE I WAS ON THE MASTER PLAN COMMITTEE, BUT IF YOU LOOKED PRIOR, YOU KNOW, GOING FROM WHEN WE FIRST STARTED RECYCLING PAPER AND PLASTICS AND IF YOU LOOKED AT WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN TERMS OF REGULAR GARBAGE, I MEAN THERE WAS JUST A DEFINITE, UM, CROSSOVER WHERE YOU COULD SEE THAT, UH, THE PAPER HAD COME OUT OF THE REGULAR GARBAGE AND, AND OUR TONNAGE GOING OUT AS REGULAR GARBAGE NO LONGER, THE WEIGHT WASN'T THERE BECAUSE THE PAPER WAS OUT.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FOR TONIGHT? WELL, I CERTAINLY ENJOYED TONIGHT, I HOPE EVERYONE ELSE DID.
IT WAS SORT OF NICE TO HAVE A MEETING WITHOUT, UM, OBLIGATION TO HAVE A VOTE AND CONSIDERATIONS,
AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE SOME THINGS THAT CAME AT IT TONIGHT THAT I THINK ARE GONNA BE HELPFUL IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS IN TERMS OF WORKING WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND ALSO IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT PERHAPS BEING ABLE TO ADVOCATE TO THE TOWN BOARD FOR PICKING UP THE, UM, UH, COMPOSTABLE MATERIALS.
WITH THAT, IF WE, IF NOTHING ELSE, I THINK WE CAN CALL IT A KNIFE.
AND I THANK YOU ALL AND WE'LL GET BE BACK TOGETHER ON DECEMBER 9TH.