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UM,[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL GREENBURGH TOWN HALL LEE F. JACKSON MEETING ROOM Agenda THURSDAY, December 8, 2021 – 6:30 P.M. ]
RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND.SO THAT WAY, BECAUSE IT WAS A VERY FULL AGENDA AND I DIDN'T WANT TO, UM, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY HAVE, HAVE, UH, ANYONE FEEL THEY DIDN'T GET THEIR FAIR PIECE OF TIME? OF COURSE.
SO LET'S START OFF WITH THE, UM, MINUTES AND DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 15TH? SO MOVED.
SO HAVING THIS EXTRA COUPLE OF MINUTES, MAYBE WE CAN SQUEEZE IN SOMETHING THAT, UM, LIZ SENT ON TO ALL OF US AND THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE BURDEN B PROTECTION ACT AND OUR, UM, ENDORSING IT.
AND I MEAN, I THINK WE ALL HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ THROUGH THE DOCUMENTATION SHE SENT, AND IT SEEMS LIKE A WORTHWHILE THING.
IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, INTERFERED WITH AGRICULTURE BECAUSE THERE WERE CAVEATS AS TO WHERE IT WAS LIMITING THE USE OF, UM, THE PARTICULAR PESTICIDE IN AGRICULTURE.
SO, UH, DO WE WANT DISCUSSION ON THAT? DO WE WANT TO ENDORSE THAT? WHAT'S PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS? I APOLOGIZE.
I GUESS TERRY, MY ONLY QUESTION IS, UM, I, I READ THROUGH I THINK EVERYTHING AND DO WE JUST WANNA CHECK WITH THE TOWN AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE SUBSTANCES ARE NOT IN USE AND FOR SOME REASON FEEL LIKE THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO WITHOUT THEM? YEAH, THAT, I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S A GOOD POINT, DON.
I MEAN, IT'S A LITTLE UNCLEAR TO ME WHETHER THEY WANT, I MEAN, MUNICIPALITY TO ENDORSE, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO, OR WHETHER THEY WANT, UM, THE CAC TO ENDORSE.
I THINK, I THINK THE BETTER WAY TO HANDLE THIS, I, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE AGAINST IT, BUT I THINK THE BETTER WAY TO HANDLE IT IS A RESOLUTION THAT IS SENT TO, UM, UM, UM, GARRETT AND AARON AND THE TOWN BOARD SAYING THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, THE MUNICIPALITY ENDORSE IT.
BUT I, I DON'T, I I, WE, WE DON'T NORMALLY, I MEAN, WHEN WE WOULD DEALING WITH THE, THE BAGS, I THINK WHAT WE DID IS WE TALKED TO TOM, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, ASSEMBLYMAN, UH, BERNAN, WE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, ISSUE A MUNICIPALITY ENDORSEMENT, WHICH WE HAD AN AUTHORITY TO DO EVEN A C S C ENDORSEMENT.
A BETTER THING TO DO IS JUST THAT WE A RE UH, UH, WE SIMPLY PASSED A RESOLUTION SAYING THAT, UH, TO INFORM THE TOWN AND THE COMMISSIONER AND DEPUTY COMMISSIONER OF C D C, THAT, UM, WE WOULD IN FAVOR IN THE MUNICIPALITY ENDORSING IT.
I ACTUALLY, I DID EMAIL PAUL FINER AND HAVEN WASN'T SURE WHY SHE HAD LEFT HIM OFF.
THAT WAS PROBABLY ACCIDENTAL AND HE WAS VERY EAGER TO SIGN IT AND IMMEDIATELY ASKED THE TOWN BOARD TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
ALTHOUGH I THINK IT'S GOING BE AFTER THEIR DEADLINE.
SO, SO, SO WE, IT SEEMS WE SHOULD SEND A RESOLUTION OUT TOMORROW AND IT'LL, THEY HAD A MEETING YESTERDAY, SO NO, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A MEETING FOR TWO WEEKS AND WE GET IT TO 'EM.
AND, AND SO THAT SHOULD, I THINK IT'LL BE TOO LATE FOR THIS ACT.
BUT HEARING, WHEN, WHEN IS THE, WHEN IS THE DEADLINE, LIZ? DO YOU KNOW TOMORROW, IS IT? YEAH, SO I THINK, UM, I TOLD
I THINK THEY'RE MEETING ON THE 13TH, BUT IT TURNS OUT, YOU KNOW, BUT WHEN YOU SAY LIZ EXCUSE AND WHEN YOU SAY THE DEADLINES TOMORROW, WHOSE DEADLINE IS THAT? THEIR DEADLINE TO GET IT SENT OUT? WHOEVER'S ORGANIZED.
WHO, WHO, WHO IS THERE? HOLD ON, LET ME PULL UP.
WHO'S THE ORGANIZER YOU MEAN? IT IT IT'S, IT'S A PRIVATE PERSON'S DEADLINE.
IT'S AN OR PRIVATE ORGANIZATION.
THE PERSON THAT'S COORDINATING ALL THE SIGNATURES AND PHYSICALLY SENDING THE LETTER TO THE PEOPLE.
WE, WE CAN PHRASE, LOOK, WHAT'S REALLY IS IMPORTANT IS NOT THESE PEOPLE.
WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS ANDREA AND TOM.
BUT WE CAN PHRASE THE RESOLUTION SO THAT WE THINK THE TOWN SHOULD SUPPORT THIS AND WE SHOULD INFORM, UH, SENATOR, UH, STEWART COUSINS AND ASSEMBLYMAN BERNAN THAT WE IMPORTED BECAUSE THOUGH THEY GOT THE VOTES RIGHT? THE LETTER IS BEING SENT TO THEM ALONG WITH THE GOVERNOR AND OTHER
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YEAH.SO I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN WORK AROUND THIS TIMEFRAME OF THINK OUR RESOLUTION COULD SIMPLY SAY THAT WE, THE SIDE, WE'RE LIKE A SIDELINE SIDESHOW.
WE, WE AGREE TO, BUT WE'RE NOT IN WITH THE BIG MASS OF SIGNATURES.
BELIEVE ME, OUR LETTER ALL GET READ BY BOTH THE SENATOR AND THE ASSEMBLYMAN.
IS, DOES THAT SEEM LIKE A VIABLE SOLUTION TO EVERYBODY? JUST ONE QUESTION.
IS THAT OKAY AARON? STRUCTURALLY WITHIN THE TOWN? I THINK SO.
I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUE WITH, OKAY.
SO I GUESS WE NEED A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THIS.
UH, FIRST OFF, WE DIDN'T SELECT ANYONE TO DO THE MINUTES TONIGHT.
SO NANCY, ARE YOU THERE? NANCY CAN'T DO THE MINUTES BECAUSE SHE'S GOING BE DOING, UH, SHE'S OKAY.
SO SHE'S GOTTA TAKE COPIOUS NOTES TONIGHT RELATED AND SOLELY RELATED TO THE ISSUES OF, SO SHE CAN'T DO THE MINUTES.
DONNA, CAN I IMPOSE UPON YOU TONIGHT TO DO THE MINUTES? SURE.
UH, AND YOU, UM, DONNA, UM, SO THAT YOU DON'T DUPLICATE WHAT NANCY DOES, UM, WHAT NANCY'S DOING? UM, I DON'T THINK I WOULD, I I I DON'T KNOW HOW, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE A LONG MEETING AND GO THROUGH LOTS OF QUESTIONS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO HATE TO IMPOSE UPON YOU TO GO THROUGH ALL THE, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.
UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU CAN JUST DO SOMETHING LIKE GENERAL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'D, UH, DISCUSSED, UH, THEIR RESPONSES TO C A C QUESTIONS AND, YOU KNOW, JUST AT A 10,000 FOOT LEVEL AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, A REALLY TOUGH, TOUGH SLUGGING THROUGH JOB TONIGHT.
WELL, I WAS GONNA SAY ONE OF THE THINGS IS IF DONNA IS, IS TAKING THE NOTES THOUGH, EVEN IF SHE DOESN'T PUT THEM IN THE FORMAL MINUTES, IT COULD BE A BACKUP FOR NANCY YEAH.
IN TERMS OF, OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
UH, BUT GETTING BACK TO OUR THAT'S OKAY.
UM, I THINK WE NEED A MOTION FOR THE PROPOSAL AND THAT WE ALL VOTE ON IT.
SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO ENDORSE THIS ACT TO, I I, I'D MAKE A MOTION WE RECOMMEND TO THE TOWN BOARD AND TO THE COMMISSIONER AND DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, C D C THAT WE, IN, THAT WE, UM, C A C, UH, SUPPORTS THE ACT AND ASK THE TOWN BOARD TO NOTIFY, UH, SENATOR STEWART COUSINS AND, UH, NAN AND THE GOVERNOR AS WELL.
PUBLISH THE NEW YORK TIMES AS FAR AS I CAN IF'S GOT THE MONEY TO DO IT.
I SECOND, I HATE, I HATE TO BREAK THE NEWS TO YOU.
THE GOVERNOR DOESN'T READ THIS.
JUST SEEING ALL THE, THE PUBLIC INFLUENCE, I WOULD THINK BY THE YOU.
SO I THINK THE NEXT THING WE HAVE UP IS THE, THE 25 BAR BERRY ROAD IN ELMSFORD.
YOU WANNA MOVE ON TO THAT? HEY, BARRY? YEAH.
SO I'M IN, I'M BRINGING IN THE ENGINEER FOR THE PROJECT.
I DO NOT SEE, UM, THE OWNER, BUT, UH, WE CAN ASK MR. BUCK TO, UM, DO YOU, ARE YOU ANTICIPATING, UM, MR. PATEL ATTENDING OR ARE YOU HERE ON I, I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM HIM.
UM, IF HE'S NOT ON NOW, HE HE MIGHT NOT BE SHOWING UP.
SO WE'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO YOU.
UM, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY INITIAL QUESTIONS FOR EITHER MATT OR MYSELF AND THEN, UH, FROM THE C A C MEMBERS.
OTHERWISE, WE'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO MR. BUCK AND, UM, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE SHARE THE SCREEN DURING YOUR PRESENTATION.
ARE THERE ANY INITIAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ONE? YEAH, WHY ARE WE, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS
UH, WE ARE HAPPY THAT HE HAS GOTTEN THROUGH THAT.
UH, IT WAS DELAYED QUITE A BIT BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC, BUT, UH, WE'RE THRILLED AND, AND I WOULD ASK MATT, UH, BY TEXT IF HE WAS READY
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TO KIND OF TAKE ON SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THIS EVENING.SO I'LL LET MATT ANSWER WHY WE ARE HERE, UH, TO THE BEST OF HIS KNOWLEDGE, AND IF I NEED TO STEP IN, I WILL.
WELL, UH, MATT, CONGRATULATIONS.
AND THANK YOU FOR THAT INTRODUCTION.
UM, BASICALLY, UH, THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION FOR THIS PROPERTY WAS JUST AN ADDITION TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
UM, BUT WHEN THEY SUBMITTED THE PLANS TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR A BUILDING PERMIT, UH, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT DETERMINED THAT WHAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY PROPOSING AMOUNTED TO WHAT THEY CLASSIFY AS A DEMOLITION AND RECONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS NOT WHAT WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND BECAUSE PART OF THE HOUSE IS TOO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE, UM, THEY HAVE TO DO SOME SERIOUS MODIFICATIONS, UH, TO THE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED PLAN.
UM, THOUGH THEY REQUIRE A NEW WETLANDS PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD WHY THEY'RE BEFORE THIS BOARD.
BUT MATT, HAS ANYTHING CHANGED FROM A WETLAND PERSPECTIVE? I HAS ARE, ARE THERE ANY NEW FACTS, MATT, THAT, THAT ARE RELEVANT NOW THAT, THAT WERE NOT, THAT, THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM WHEN WE APPROVE THIS BEFORE THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M PROBABLY INARTICULATE TRYING TO ASK.
SO THEY, FROM A, LIKE THE, FROM THE WATERCOURSE PERSPECTIVE, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HAS CHANGED WITH THE WATERCOURSE.
THERE WILL BE MORE CONSTRUCTION WORK BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING MORE WORK, BUT THE, AND THE, UM, THE AREA OF WORK WILL BE ABOUT 10 FEET OR SO CLOSER TO THE WATERCOURSE THAN IT PREVIOUSLY WAS.
UM, BUT OTHERWISE THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.
SO, SO THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE APPROVED BEFORE AND NOW IS THAT THE AREA OF THE WORK WILL BE 10 FEET CLOSER TO THE WATERCOURSE, CORRECT.
ON, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MR. BUCK, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S GONNA BE IN THE SAME OR SIMILAR FOOTPRINT TO THE EXISTING HOUSE ON THE EDGE CLOSEST TO THE WATER COURTS? THAT'S CORRECT.
THE, THE NEW DWELLING IS GONNA BE ROUGHLY WITHIN THE SAME BUILDING FOOTPRINT AS THE EXISTING DWELLING, AS YOU MENTIONED, UH, PREVIOUSLY, UM, AS IT EXISTS.
THE, IS IS THERE, IS THERE ENCROACHMENT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACES TOWARDS THE WATERCOURSE? YES OR NO? FROM ME, WHAT WE SAW PREVIOUS, THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS GONNA BE CLOSER TO THE WATERCOURSE THAN THE EXISTING BUILDING IS.
SO, BUT WHAT SO, SO TO AN FROM I'M SORRY.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THERE WILL BE SOME ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS IN THE BUFFER FROM WHAT PRE-EXISTED AND WHAT YOU SAW EARLIER, THAT WILL BE CLOSER TO THE WATERCOURSE.
NOW, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO ADD, UM, AND I'M SURE MATT OR OR MR. BUCK WOULD HAVE GOTTEN TO IT, BUT, UM, WE DIDN'T SEE ANY LANDSCAPING ON THE INITIAL PROPOSAL, WHEREAS THE INITIAL PROPOSAL OF THIS VERSION, WHEREAS THERE WERE A COUPLE OF RIVER BIRCH TREES PROPOSED IN THE PRIOR APPLICATION, AND THE C A C, THERE'S NO TREE REMOVAL.
THE C A C WAS, YOU KNOW, FELT THAT THAT WAS REASONABLE AND HAD ISSUED A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
SO STAFF'S COMMENT BACK TO THE APPLICANT WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO SEE, UH, A BUFFER ENHANCEMENT THROUGH PLANTINGS, AND I THINK, UM, MR. BUCK WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT TO SEE.
AARON, HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH CLOSER FROM WHAT WE SAW LAST TIME IS THIS THING TO THE WETLAND? THAT'S THE 10, 10 FEET TO THE WATERCOURSE CLOSER.
AND HOW MUCH THEN IS THE SPACE BETWEEN WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE WATER? WHAT'S APPROXIMATELY WHAT, MATT, WHAT'S THE DIFF HOW MUCH SPACE BETWEEN, UH, WHERE THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS GONNA BE ON THE WATERCOURSE? I BELIEVE IT'S APPROXIMATELY 20 FEET.
SAY, COULD WE HAVE THE, UM, MR. BUCK ACTUALLY GO AND KIND OF ENLARGE WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN AND WALK US THROUGH MM-HMM.
BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IMPERVIOUS? WHAT, WHERE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE OCCURRING? MM-HMM.
SO WHERE EXACTLY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THIS ADDITION? WELL, LET ME, LET ME FIRST SAY, JUST AS A CORRECTION, WE, THE BUILDING ITSELF, ONCE IT IS RECONSTRUCTED, WILL BE CLOSER TO THE WATERCOURSE.
BUT THROUGH THE REVISED PLAN AND THROUGH, UM, PROPOSING A, A PERVIOUS FLAGSTONE PATIO IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING,
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THE PROPOSAL ACTUALLY ENDS UP HAVING LESS IMPERVIOUS ON THE LOT IN THE PROPOSED CONDITION THAN IT DOES CURRENTLY.UM, SO JUST, UH, THAT'S, SO AS MATT SAID, AND AS AARON SAID, REALLY THE, WE'RE, THE BUILDING IS GONNA BE CLOSER TO THE WATERCOURSE, BUT THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS ON THIS SITE WILL BE DECREASED AS WE HAVE, AS WE HAVE THE APPLICATION DONE.
NOW, IS THAT A SUBSTANTIAL DECREASE OR? IT'S, UM, ALMOST A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET AND THAT, AND THAT WAS, UM, WITH THE PERVIOUS FLAGSTONE PATIO TO THE REAR OF THE NEW HOME.
AND I, I HAD FORGOTTEN THAT THEY, THEY DECIDED TO PUT IN A PERVIOUS, UH, PATIO.
SO COULD YOU INDICATE ON, ON WHAT'S, WE ARE LOOKING AT WHICH PIECE OF THE DWELLING IS GETTING CLOSER TO THE WATERCOURSE AND HOW, WHERE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IT GETTING CLOSER TO THE WATERCOURSE? SO CAN YOU ALL SEE MY, MY HAND? LITTLE HAND? YEAH, YOUR LITTLE HAND.
SO IT'S THIS, THIS PORTION OF THE BUILDING THAT'S GETTING CLOSER TO THE WATERCOURSE, AND I'LL TRY AND FLIP BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN, THIS IS OUR PROPOSED SITE PLAN, AND THEN THIS IS THE EXISTING, SO IT'S, IT'S TOUGH TO SEE WHEN I'M FLIPPING BACK AND FORTH, BUT THE EXISTING FACE OF THIS HOUSE AS IT IS NOW, IS FURTHER FROM THE WATERCOURSE THAN IT WILL BE IN THE PROPOSED CONDITION.
AND HOW MANY, HOW MANY FEET FROM THE WATERCOURSE IS IT? I BELIEVE MATT, MATT SAID IT WAS ABOUT 30, 20.
AND THIS WATERCOURSE IS A DRAINAGE DITCH.
IT'S PREDOMINANTLY A, A CHANNEL.
IT IS NOT A, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CALL LIKE A, A BABBLING BROOK THROUGH THE WOODS.
IT PRI IT'S PRIMARILY FUNCTIONING AS TRANSMITTING STORMWATER.
IT FLOWS INTO A CATCH BASIN IN THE SHOULDER OF THE ROAD.
SO IT TIES INTO THAT CATCH BASIN GOES UNDERNEATH THE, WHERE IT SAYS BAYBERRY ROAD PAVED SURFACE, THERE'S ANOTHER CATCH BASIN ON THE OTHER SIDE THERE.
AND IT ALL BE TURNS INTO THE TOWN STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM FOR RUNOFF.
WELL, LISTEN, GUYS, HERE'S WHAT I SUGGEST.
JUST A SHORTCUT THIS, I SUGGEST THAT WE SAY THAT WE REVIEWED THE REVISION AND WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM OUR ORIGINAL, UH, UH, RECOMMENDATION.
UM, MR. GARCIA, I I WAS GONNA SAY, ACTUALLY I WOULD SAY SLIGHTLY MODIFIED THAT, THAT WE RE REVIEWED IT AND WE, UM, JUST HAVE NO, NO QUESTIONS AND, AND, AND WITH, SO LONG AS THE, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS OF TOWN STAFF OBSERVE.
'CAUSE I THINK YOU'VE MADE THE RECOMMENDATIONS NOW FOR A DIFFERENT PLANTING SCHEDULE, WHICH IS BETTER THAN WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE.
THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION HAD THE TWO TREES, BUT I WOULD RATHER SEE THAT WE GO WITH WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED NOW FOR THE PLANTINGS.
SO WHY DON'T WE DO THAT? AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TAKE, UH, UH, AARON OR MATT OR MR. BUCK'S TIME ANYMORE ON THIS, ON THIS.
I I HAVE A ONE QUESTION, THOUGH.
I DIDN'T SEE A LANDSCAPE PLAN.
IS THERE A LANDSCAPE PLAN? I BELIEVE IT'S IN PROGRESS.
UM, BUT I'LL ASK MR. BUCK'S TO ANSWER.
I THINK WE USUALLY PHRASE THAT, UM, WITH A, WITH SO LONG AS THE, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN IS ACCEPTABLE TO, UM, UH, THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, I THINK WE HAVE A PHRASEOLOGY OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS TO GO FORWARD WITH THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE LANDSCAPING PLAN BY, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT? SO MOVED.
SO MOVES AND, UH, WHO SECONDS? NO, MARGARET MOVED.
I WANNA WELCOME ALFRED AS AN OFFICIAL MEMBER.
HE WAS APPROVED LAST NIGHT AS OUR, UM, MEMBER.
SO, UH, ALFRED, YOU, YOU'VE BEEN, YOU'RE, UM, AN ALTERNATE MEMBER, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A FULL VOTE HERE TONIGHT.
SO YOU'LL, YOU, YOU WILL, IN ADDITION TO PARTICIPATING, YOU'LL, UH, YOU'LL VOTE.
SO I THINK WE'VE COVERED EVERYTHING TO THIS POINT.
I THINK, AARON, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO BRING IN, UM, THE APPLICANT'S PEOPLE FOR THE NEXT PIECE.
AND THEN I'M AT THAT POINT, I'LL SAY A FEW WORDS AND THEN MIKE'S GONNA TAKE IT OVER.
I JUST WANTED TO THANK MR. BUCK FOR JUMPING ON THIS EVENING.
UM, ESSENTIALLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN HERE IS WE WILL WORK WITH YOU ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND FINALIZING THAT TO THE, TO OUR SATISFACTION.
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AND THEN WE'LL ASK FOR SOME ADDITIONAL MATERIALS AND APPLICATION COPIES AND PLANS IN ORDER TO MOVE THIS TO THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, IN THE NEW YEAR.AND YES, I WANTED TO CONGRATULATE ALFRED AS WELL.
I HEARD OR SEEN THAT IT WAS ON THE AGENDA TO APPOINT YOU AS THE ALTERNATE.
SO CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT AND WELCOME ABOARD.
SO WE'RE BRINGING IN, UM, REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE BLOOM ENERGY PROJECT, FULTON STREET.
WE HAVE KRISTEN GRILLO, BRIAN NEWNAN, AND MEGAN.
UM, SO I WILL, I THINK CHAIRPERSON TORY HAD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS SHE WANTED TO MAKE.
AND THEN, UH, YEAH, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU AND HAVE YOU PROCEED.
AS YOU KNOW, I WAS RECUPERATING FROM, UH, KNEE SURGERY AND WHEN THIS PROJECT FIRST CAME BEFORE THE C A C AND THE CONSISTENCY, I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO, UM, SINCE IN THE PRIOR MEETINGS WHERE THIS APPLICATION WAS UNDER REVIEW, MIKE SIEGEL SHARED THE MEETINGS, I THINK FOR THE CLARITY AND CON CONTINUITY.
UM, AS WE GO FORWARD DISCUSSING TONIGHT, I'M GOING TO ASK OUR VICE CHAIR MIKE SIEGEL TO TAKE OFF OVER, UM, RUNNING THE MEETING AT THIS TIME AS WE REVIEW THIS APPLICATION, I THINK IT WOULD HAVE MORE CONSISTENCY THAN DOING IT THAT WAY.
DID YOU LOSE YOUR MIC? NO, I'M BACK.
I JUST WENT TO GET UP MY COFFEE.
COULD I ASK, UH, WELL, I WANNA, UH, THANK THE BLOOM ENERGY PEOPLE FOR, UH, FOR THEIR ANSWERS THEY GAVE US AND ALSO FOR, UH, UH, SHOWING UP TONIGHT.
I, I WOULD APPRECIATE IF THEY WOULD IDENTIFY, I THINK CHRISTIAN, YOU, UH, WE, YOU WERE HERE LAST TIME.
AND, AND I THINK, MEGAN, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU, YOU WERE HERE LAST TIME.
DID YOU JUST I'M NOT, I'M NOT.
AND ARE, UH, AND YOUR ROLE AT BLOOM ENERGY IS, YEAH.
SO I CAN, I CAN INTRODUCE MYSELF, UM, QUICKLY.
I'M A SUSTAINABILITY ANALYST WORKING FOR BLOOM ENERGY.
SO, UM, OUR DIRECTOR OF SUSTAINABILITY IS UNABLE TO COME BECAUSE HE'S ON FAMILY LEAVE, SO I'M, I'M SHOWING UP IN HIS PLACE.
UM, LAST TIME WHEN, WHEN WE HAD THIS BEFORE US LAST TIME, UM, WE'D ONLY HAD THIS LESS THAN A WEEK, ABOUT FIVE OR SIX DAYS.
AND SO WE READ THE, UM, READ THE QUESTIONS OUT AND THE ANSWERS OUT JUST TO, SO EVERYONE, BUT, BUT NOW I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARY.
UH, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS JUST IN TERMS OF STRUCTURE, IS LET'S GO THROUGH 'EM IN ORDER.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO READ THE QUESTIONS AND THE ANSWERS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF GO THROUGH 'EM IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY'RE, AND, UM, THEN, UM, UH, KRISTEN, AT THE END OF THE, WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS OR, OR NOT ON EACH ONE.
AND, UH, THEN AT THE END WE GIVE YOU ALL AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WHATEVER ELSE YOU WOULD.
BRIAN, YOU WERE HERE LAST TIME.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T, YOU JUST POPPED UP WITH ME.
AND SO GIVE Y'ALL AT THE END, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE THAT, THAT YOU WANNA SAY THAT, TO REINFORCE ANYTHING OR TO, UH, COVER ANYTHING THAT WASN'T COVERED.
UH, SO WE WILL START AT QUESTION NUMBER ONE.
MIKE, DO YOU MIND IF I JUST INTRODUCE, UH, ONE OTHER ADDITIONAL PERSON? OH, SURE.
HE, HE JUST GOT ON, UH, CHARLIE FOX IS OUR VP OF POLICY.
CHARLIE FOX HERE, AND I APOLOGIZE.
I THINK I CAME ON A LITTLE PREMATURELY AND GOT ON BEFORE THE PROCEEDING STARTED.
AND THANKS FOR HAVING US TONIGHT.
CHARLIE, UH, ANYONE? UH, BRIAN, THAT'S IT.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN FOR HAVING US BACK ON AND, UH, HOPE TO ABSOLUTELY ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS THIS TIME AND WE, WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT.
UH, NUMBER ONE, UM, WHICH WAS ON THE POUNDS OF C O TWO, THIS IS A MINOR QUESTION, IS JUST A SURE.
WANNA MAKE A BIG DEAL OVER THIS.
UM, USING THE MYTHOLOGY THAT YOU SAID TO USE, WHICH IS 8 1 8 TIMES 1.5 TIMES, UH, UM, UM, 24, UH, THE NUMBER I CAME UP WITH IS, OR THE SEVERAL OF US CAME UP WITH, IT WAS 29,000 4, 4 8 INSTEAD OF THE 27,000.
SO THAT'S ASSUMING, BUT IT COULD BE THAT THE NUMBER'S WRONG 'CAUSE THERE'S SOME OTHER FACTOR TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.
SO THAT'S A, AT 95% OPERATING EFFICIENCY.
SO WE, WE USED A 0.95 MULTIPLIER.
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EFFICIENCY.I APOLOGIZE, I SHOULD HAVE CLARIFIED YEAH, RESPONSE.
IT'S JUST, IT'S A SMALL POINT, JUST ONE.
UH, AND THAT'S NOT, SORRY, THAT'S NOT OPERATING EFFICIENCY.
THAT'S, UM, LIKE TOTAL MAINTAINED OUTPUT.
SO OUR CAPACITY FACTOR, CAPACITY FACTOR, IT MEANS THE NUMBER OF HOURS IN THE YEAR THAT THE SYSTEM ACTUALLY OPERATES.
AND, AND, UH, 95 IS SORT OF THE INDUSTRY STANDARD THAT WE USE.
SO IT, SO MEGAN IS, IS IS THE CAPACITY FACTOR, CORRECT? YES.
UH, ANYBODY ELSE? ANY QUESTION NUMBER ONE? OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON.
UM, I HAD THE FOLLOWING THIS, THIS IS PROBABLY A MISREADING OF MINE, BUT THIS HAS TO DO WITH HOW MUCH, UH, UH, PARTS PER MILLION, WHAT'S THE ABBREVIATION? IS P P M HOW MUCH CCP, UH, C O TWO PARTS PER IN THE AIR AT THE POINT OF DISCHARGE? UH, I UNDERSTAND, LEMME TELL YOU WHAT I UNDERSTAND AND, AND WHAT MY CONFUSION IS.
THE CONS IN THE FIRST SENTENCE IS AT THE 8 1 8, WHICH IS THE 10 YEAR WARRANTY AMOUNT.
THE CONCENTRATION AT THE POINT OF DISCHARGE IS 20,000 PPM.
THERE'S 20,000 C O TWO PARTS PER MILLION OF THE AIR.
NOW, TO PUT THAT, NOW I, THE RESEARCH WE DID TELL, AND MAYBE MEGAN IS THE ONE THAT WOULD KNOW IF THIS IS RIGHT OR WRONG.
THE RESEARCH WE DID SHOWS THAT THE AVERAGE HUMAN EXHALES ABOUT 2.3 POUNDS OF CARBON DIOXIDE ON AN AVERAGE DAY.
NOW, UH, THAT'S ASSUMING THEY'RE NOT JOGGING AROUND OR EXERCISING OR SOMETHING.
BUT AN AVERAGE HUMAN EXERCISE IS ABOUT 2.3 POUNDS A DAY.
AND, UM, THE AMOUNT OF THE DAILY AMOUNT OF POUNDS OF THIS FACILITY IS ABOUT, THIS ROUND FIGURE IS 28,000.
NOW, THE SECOND SENTENCE OF ANSWER TWO SAYS, THE CONCENTRATION OF CARBON DIOXIDE LEVEL IN AIR EXHALED BY THE HUMAN BODY IS 38,000 PPM PLUS PER MILLION.
AND THE FOOTNOTE TWO, UH, THE, IN YOUR ANSWERS, UH, WHO SAYS THAT, UH, SPORTS, THAT, NOW THE CONFUSION I WAS HAVING, 'CAUSE THERE MUST BE SOME, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS.
IF THE CO IF THE C O TWO IN THE AIR OF A HUMAN IS TWICE THE AMOUNT OF WHAT'S COMING OUT OF THE POINT OF DISCHARGE OF THIS FACILITY, I WOULD CONCLUDE FROM THAT.
BUT THIS IS NOT INTUITIVE TO ME THAT IF I WENT AND STOOD NEXT TO THIS FACILITY AND I STOOD THERE FOR 24 HOURS, I'M EXCELLING MORE C O TWO THAN THIS FACILITY DOES.
AND THAT DIDN'T STRIKE ME AS BEING ALIGNED WITH THE FACT THAT THIS FACILITY PUTS OUT OVER 10,000 TIMES WHAT A HUMAN DOES IN A DAY.
SO THERE'S SOMETHING E EITHER THAT'S RIGHT AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, OR THIS, OR SOMEHOW I'M READING THIS WRONG.
SO I DON'T KNOW, I, I ASSUME IT'S MEGAN, THAT YOU CAN HELP US UN UN PUZZLE THIS.
UM, I THINK THE, THE, THE DISCREPANCY THERE IS THAT WE'RE, THAT'S COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES.
SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CONCENTRATION, WHICH IS PARTS PER MILLION AND AN EMISSION RATE, WHICH IS LIKE A POUNDS PER DAY.
SO A CONCENTRATION IS THE, MEGAN, THIS IS ALL VERY HELPFUL.
SORRY,
UM, THERE IS A CONCENTRATION, WHICH IS THE PARTS PER MILLION.
AND THAT TELLS YOU THE AMOUNT OF PARTICLES PER VOLUME AND THE EMISSION RATE, THE POUNDS PER DAY IS JUST THAT, IT'S THE AMOUNT OF WEIGHT PER DAY.
SO CONCENTRATION AND EMISSION RATE ARE DIFFERENT UNITS.
SO THE CONCENTRATION IN THE AIR AROUND A HUMAN'S MOUTH WHEN THEY BREATHE, IT'S NOT, IT'S
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NOT TELLING YOU HOW MUCH IS COMING OUT PER DAY.IT'S TELLING YOU THE CONCENTRATION IN A CERTAIN VOLUME OF AIR.
SO WHAT'S THE VOLUME? WELL, SO IT'S, I KNOW WORDS.
WHAT'S THE DENOMINATOR? THE DENOMINATOR IS PER MILLION PARTICLES OF AIR.
BUT I MEAN, WHAT'S THE, IF IF, IS IT THE CASE IF I WERE TO STAND THERE OR YOU WERE TO STAND THERE FOR 24 HOURS, YOU ARE PUTTING OUT TWICE AS MUCH INTO THE NO, THE ANSWER IS NO.
YOU'RE NOT SAYING THAT YOU'RE PUTTING OUT TWICE AS MUCH C O TWO 'CAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT.
IT'S DIFFERENT, IT'S DIFFERENT MEASURES.
WELL THAT WAS JUST MY MISUNDERSTANDING.
SO CON YEAH, THE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CONCENTRATION OF C O TWO IN THE AIR VERSUS LIKE THE EMISSION RATE THAT'S ACTUALLY COMING OUT PER DAY.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON TWO? OKAY, UM, NUMBER THREE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THREE AND THREE DEALT WITH, UH, UM, WHETHER THE EFFICIENT, UH, WHETHER THE EFFICIENCY DECREASED OVER TIME? OKAY.
HEARING THAT NUM NUMBER FOUR, NUMBER FOUR DEALS WITH, UH, UH, NUMBERS THAT WERE IN THE PREVIOUS ANSWER, UH, ABOUT, UH, UH, UH, THE EFFICIENCY LEVEL OF THE UNIT.
AND I, I HAVE A QUESTION HERE BECAUSE I'M HAVING, I'M HAVING PROBLEMS. I REALLY APPRECIATED GETTING THE ABSTRACT.
I FOUND THAT EXTREMELY HELPFUL THAT WAS SENT TO US.
UM, AND, BUT IT BRINGS ME TO THE QUESTION I HAVE, WHICH I DON'T UNDERSTAND, IS YOU'RE, IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE BASED ON THE CHARTS THAT I PICKED UP FROM USING THE LINK, UH, IN THE FOOTNOTE THERE, UM, YOU'RE USING THE NON BASE LOAD OUTPUT RATE WHEN YOU'RE DOING ALL YOUR CALCULATIONS YET ON PAGE 11 OF THE ABSTRACT, IT SPECIFICALLY STATES IN MARY, HOLD ON ONE MINUTE, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND.
THE ABSTRACT IS ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO CD AND C UH, UH, IT, IT, IT'S ON THE TOP OF IT SAYS TOTAL COMM NON BASE LOAD EEG GRID SUB-REGION, UH, GUIDANCE ON THE USE OF EEG GRID OUTPUT EMISSION RATES.
UM, AND IT'S WRITTEN BY SOMEONE FROM E P A AND SOMEONE FROM THE FIRM THAT WAS THE OUTSIDE CONSULTANT THAT DEVELOPED EEG GRID FOR THE, UH, SO IT, I HOPE EVERYONE PRINTED THAT OUT AND, AND READ IT.
BUT THAT'S WHAT TERRY IS REFERRING TO WHEN SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, UH, THE ABSTRACT, RIGHT TERRY? YEAH.
SO, SO IF WE GO TO PAGE 11 AND THE SECOND, WELL, THE FIRST IS, FIRST PARAGRAPH IS A CONTINUATION FROM THE PREVIOUS PAGE.
SO IT'S DEPENDING ON HOW YOU WANNA SPELL IT.
THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THE SECOND PAGE, IT'S, IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS NON BASE LOAD VALUE SHOULD NOT BE USED FOR ASSIGNING AN IGNITION VALUE FOR ELECTRICITY USE AND CARBON FOOTPRINT FOR THE G H G ADMISSION INVENTORY EFFORTS.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT READING THAT, THAT THE NUMBER THAT SHOULD BE BEING USED IS THE, UM, FROM THE CHARTS IS THE TOTAL OUTPUT ADMISSION RATES AND NOT THE NON BASE LOAD OUTPUT ADMISSION RATES.
SO I'M HAVING CONFUSION THERE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM TO MATCH UP WITH WHAT'S IN THE ABSTRACT, THE NUMBERS YOU'RE USING, BECAUSE GOING THROUGH THE ABSTRACT, YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY TALK ABOUT THE COMPARISON HAS TO BE, UM, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS STUFF IS THE, UM, THE TOTAL POWER PRODUCTION IN THE AREA, WHICH WE KNOW IN THE CASE OF CONED IS NOT STRICTLY BASED ON THE USE OF FOSSIL FUEL, BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS.
AND THE ABSTRACT SPECIFICALLY SAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T COUNT THOSE IN WHEN, WHEN YOU'RE DOING A COMPARISON, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL AREA, WHAT'S, WHAT'S BEING TAKEN TO GENERATE IN THE AREA, NOT COMPARING TO THE FACILITIES IN THE AREA, BECAUSE THAT'S AN UNBALANCED COMPARISON.
SO COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHY YOU'RE USING THE NON BASE OUTPUT ADMISSION RATES? SURE.
CHARLIE, WOULD YOU MIND TAKING THAT ONE? MEGAN, YOU WANNA GO FIRST? I,
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I CAN FOLLOW UP.I KNOW THIS IS YOUR, YOUR CORE AREA.
THAT'S, UM, THAT'S A QUESTION WE GET A LOT OF THE TIME.
AND, UM, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S CONFUSING.
HOWEVER, THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS INVENTORY IS SET UP ON ACCOUNTING, ACCOUNTING, A CARBON ACCOUNTING BASIS, WHICH DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR MARGINAL EMISSIONS AND, UM, GRID GRID EFFICIENCIES LIKE FUEL CELLS.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD POINT YOU TO THE WATT TIME PIECE THAT WE ALSO INCLUDED IN OUR RESPONSE.
AND, UM, IT'S THE WA TIME DOCUMENT LABELED ON THE IMPORTANCE OF MARGINAL EMISSION FACTORS FOR POLICY ANALYSIS.
YOU'RE, BUT MEGAN, YOU'RE FREE TO SHARE THAT IF, IF ANY OF THE TEAM HAS THAT AVAILABLE.
UM, JUST IN THE EVENT OUR MEMBERS DON'T HAVE THAT HANDY AT THE MOMENT.
WE, WE'LL CERTAINLY SEND THAT OVER.
AND, AND BASICALLY THE, THE REFERENCE THAT, UM, THERESA YOU'RE POINTING TO IS FOR CARBON ACCOUNTING.
SO THAT IS FOR THE VOLUNTARY CARBON ACCOUNTING, UM, MARKET WHERE BUSINESSES REPORT THEIR SCOPE ONE, TWO, AND THREE EMISSIONS.
AND THAT IS WHERE YOU USE THE E P A E GRID AVERAGE VALUES.
HOWEVER, FOR PROJECT BASED EMISSIONS, WHERE YOU'RE ACCOUNTING FOR REAL WORLD BENEFITS, FOR PROJECTS LIKE BLOOM, WHERE WE REDUCE THE LOAD ON THE GRID AND IN TURN REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF POWER THAT IS USED FOR THE MAR THAT IS NEEDED FROM THE MARGINAL, UM, GENERATORS ON THE GRID, WHICH ARE USUALLY NATURAL GAS POWER PLANTS.
UM, THEY RECOMMEND W R I THIS WATT TIME PIECE, WE HAVE MULTIPLE PIECES THAT RECOMMEND THIS PROJECT BASED ACCOUNTING, WHICH USES THE NON BASE LOAD VALUES, WHICH GIVES YOU YOUR ACTUAL REAL WORLD BENEFITS INSTEAD OF JUST YOUR CARVING ACCOUNTING BENEFITS, WHICH DON'T, WHICH DON'T HAVE PROCESSES IN PLACE FOR SYSTEMS LIKE FUEL CELLS THAT LOOK LIKE EFFICIENCY ON THE GRID.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SORT OF APPLES AND ORANGES, I THINK, BECAUSE IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EFFICIENCY ON THE GRID, AND, AND I'D HAVE TO SEE THE DOCUMENT YOU'RE, YOU'RE REFERENCING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE AN EVALUATION OF THAT.
BUT, BUT I THINK OUR CONCERN IN, IN THE LORE IN OUR TOWN THAT ACTUALLY WE'RE SORT OF LOOKING AT IS, IS THE IMPACT ON THE AIR IN OUR COMMUNITY? YEP.
AND, AND WHEN I LOOK AT THAT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE AIR IN MY COMMUNITY, THE COMPARISON WOULD HAVE TO BE ON THE OTHER METRIC BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE IMPACT IS IN MY COMMUNITY.
WE'RE NOT, OUR COMMUNITY DOES NOT HAVE A PLANT LOCATED IN IT AT THE CURRENT TIME.
SO THIS, THIS IS PROB THIS IS TROUBLESOME AND PROBLEMATIC TO ME.
I CERTAINLY THINK WE WOULD, WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SEE THE DOCUMENT YOU'RE REFERENCING 'CAUSE WE'RE AT A DISADVANTAGE AND, AND I PERSONALLY LEADING THIS, UM, YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS THE NUMBER WE'RE GONNA USE, WHICH OF COURSE THEN MAKES YOU MORE, MORE EFFICIENT, YOU, YOUR SOURCE.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S A QUESTION OF SORT OF GOING BACK TO THIS APPLES AND ORANGES THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONCERNED WITH AIR QUALITY.
UM, THIS FACILITY IS, IS GOING WITHIN 35 FEET OF A A RESIDENCE AND VERY CLOSE TO AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
SO THIS IS A REAL CONSIDERATION FOR US.
YEAH, MY, DO YOU WANNA COMMENT FURTHER ON THIS? YEAH, I WANTED ASK AARON TWO THINGS.
ONE I WANTED TO ASK AARON, DID WE HAVE THAT I COMMIT THE MEGAN'S REFERRING TO? IF SO, I APOLOGIZE, I MISSED, I I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING IT.
WHAT I, WHAT I REMEMBER WE GOT THE ANSWER.
THE ANSWERS TO THE, THAT I GOT IS THE ANSWERS TO THE RESPONSE.
WE GOT A, A MAP OF THE, UH, THE SITE, UH, UM, UH, UH, A SITE PLAN, UH, SHOWING THE FENCING, AND WE GOT THE ABSTRACT WHAT, UH, TERRY'S REFERRING JUST ABSTRACT.
DID WE GET AN A FOURTH DOCUMENT? IF SO, I, I JUST LET, LET ME CHIME IN IF I COULD.
IT'S, UH, CHARLIE, UH, TH THAT THERE'S A LINK TO THAT DOCUMENT IS IN THE BODY OF ANSWER NUMBER TWO.
I I, SO IF YOU GO, IF YOU WERE TO GO TO, BUT, BUT LET ME EXPLAIN SORT OF IN REAL WORLD TERMS, BECAUSE I THINK, OH, SORRY, NUMBER TWO, YEAH, IT'S A BLUE, IT SHOWS UP IN BLUE TEXT AND, UH, IT'S A LINK AT THE VERY TOP OF YEAH, I, NO, I, I, I, UH, PAGE OF THAT OUT, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
NOW THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS THE THING THAT SAYS, WHAT IS IT? IT STARTS OUT AS OCTOBER 9, 2 0 1 3.
CHARLIE, IT SAYS, WHAT IS CARBON DIOXIDE? IS THAT THE ARTICLE? YOU, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT WE, WE HAD SUBMITTED A LETTER DATED NOVEMBER 19.
KRISTEN SIGNED THE LETTER AND SENT IT IN AND
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IT WAS, GOT IT.WE ANSWERED A, A SERIES OF QUESTIONS RIGHT IN THE TOP.
I'M SORRY, IT WAS QUESTION FOUR.
IT'S IN THE BODY OF QUESTION FOUR AT THE TOP OF FIFTH PAGE.
I, I, CAN I HAVE IT? I COULD SHARE MY SCREEN IF, YEAH, IF THAT'S OKAY.
CAN I, CAN I PUT IT IN? I, I'D LIKE TO ANSWER THERESA'S QUESTION IF I COULD, BECAUSE I THINK SHE KIND OF NAILED THE ISSUE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE, SORRY, I'M SORRY.
WHERE I, WHERE IS IT? TELL ME WHICH, WHICH FOOTNOTE YOUR FOOTNOTE ISS A NUMBER.
GIVE ME THE NUMBERING OF YOUR FOOTNOTE WHERE THIS DOCUMENT IS.
SO IT'S NOT, ITS NOT IN A FOOTNOTE, MIKE.
IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S IN THE, UH, AT THE TOP OF PAGE FIVE IN BLUE TYPE, AND IT'S A LINK HOLD ON THE TOP OF PAGE, THE PAGE AREN'T NUMBERED, BUT LET ME COUNT IT TOP OF PAGE FIVE.
I'LL, I'LL PUT IT IN THE CHAT BOX AS WELL.
SO IT, IT SAYS FOR YOU FURTHER FROM MARGINAL IANS ACCOUNTING.
SO WHAT, WHAT DO YOU WANNA SAY, CHARLIE? SO, UH, I THINK THE POINT IS, IS THERESA'S MAKING IS THE RIGHT ONE, WHICH IS WHAT REALLY MATTERS IS WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN THE ENVIRONMENT, RIGHT? AND THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT METRICS INVOLVED HERE.
THERE'S WHAT THE AVERAGE OF THE ELECTRIC GRID'S EMISSIONS ARE, UH, AND THAT, AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT SHE'S REFERRING TO.
AND THEN THERE'S WHAT'S CALLED THE MARGINAL GENERATOR.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S MEANT, THAT'S A, A METRIC THAT IS MEANT TO, AS BEST AS POSSIBLE, IDENTIFY THE ACTUAL POWER GENERATOR THAT WILL BE DISPLACED WHEN YOU REDUCE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ELECTRIC USE.
YOU, YOU COULD DO IT BY TURNING OFF THE LIGHTS OR CLOSING DOWN A FACILITY, OR YOU COULD DO IT BY GENERATING YOUR OWN POWER.
BUT EITHER WAY, YOU'RE TAKING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ELECTRICITY OFF OF THE ELECTRIC GRID, AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A POWER PLANT THAT IS EFFECTIVELY BEING TURNED DOWN WHEN YOU DO THAT.
AND WE, AND WE CAN USE EPA Z GRID TO IDENTIFY THE, WHAT'S CALLED CARBON INTENSITY OF THE EMISSION RATE OF THAT POWER PLANT THAT'S EFFECTIVELY BEING TURNED DOWN IN THIS CASE BY 1.5 MEGAWATTS AND THAT, AND SO THAT'S CALLED MARGINAL EMISSIONS ACCOUNTING.
AND WE, WE KNOW WHAT THE RATE IS.
THAT'S THE 10 16 FIGURE, AND YOU SIMPLY CAN CALCULATE WHAT YOUR IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT IS BY SUBTRACTING THE EMISSIONS OF A GIVEN PROJECT FROM THAT RATE.
AND I WANT, AND THIS IS A VERY WIDELY USED METHODOLOGY, MAR MARGINAL ACCOUNTING, MEGAN MENTIONED W R I, WHICH IS THE WORLD RESOURCES INSTITUTE.
I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT, UM, YOU KNOW, MAJOR POLICYMAKING, UH, INSTITUTIONS USE.
I'LL GIVE YOU ONE CRITICAL ONE, WHICH IS NYSERDA, THE NEW YORK STATE ENERGY RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, WHICH ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, INVESTED HAS THIS, THIS PROJECT GOT AN INCENTIVE FROM NYSERDA, AND NYSERDA USES THIS SAME MARGINAL EMISSIONS ACCOUNTING.
AND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS, THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY, WE ARE, THEY'RE BASICALLY EVALUATING AND TAKING CREDIT FOR, AND ACCOUNTING THE ACTUAL EMISSION REDUCTIONS IN THE WAY THAT MOST ACCURATELY REFLECTS WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND WE TRIED TO DO THAT IN OUR LETTER AND SORT OF APPLY THAT TO THE LOWER HUDSON VALLEY TO THE, TO THE AREA THAT, THAT GREENBERG'S IN.
UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THERE ARE POWER PLANTS THAT ARE WHAT ARE CALLED PEAKING POWER PLANTS.
SOMETIMES THEY'RE CALLED PEAKERS, SOMETIMES THEY'RE CALLED MARGINAL UNITS.
AND THEY'RE, AND THEY ARE UPWIND OF GREENBERG, AND SOME OF THEM BURN THINGS LIKE OIL AND, AND GAD, YOU KNOW, THEY BURN FOSSIL FUELS AND THEY'RE, AND WE CAN CALCULATE HOW MUCH CLEANER WE ARE THAN THEY ARE.
UH, AND SO I I, YOU KNOW, MARGINAL EMISSIONS IS THE WAY TO GET TO THE, THE THING THAT MATTERS.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND, AND, AND USING THIS METHODOLOGY, YOU CAN IDENTIFY AND SAY THAT THE AIR IN THE REGION THAT, THAT, UM, THAT GREENBERG IS IN IS GONNA BE, UH, IMPACTED IN A POSITIVE WAY, GET CLEANER IF THIS PROJECT IS APPROVED JUST BY REFERENCE TO MARGINAL EMISSIONS ACCOUNTING THAN IF IT'S NOT.
AND, AND THAT'S THE EXACT SAME ANALYSIS THAT FOLKS LIKE NYSERDA AND NEW YORK STATE GO THROUGH WHENEVER THEY, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, FOLLOW THROUGH ON A PROJECT.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT KIND IT IS.
I HOPE, I HOPE THAT'S HELPFUL.
JUST SO, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THOUGH, IF I UNDERSTAND YOU, CHARLES, WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT REALLY TWO WAYS OF EVALUATING SOMETHING.
ONE IS ON A, ON A SORT OF GLOBAL WAY, UH, AND THE OTHER ONE IS ON A LOCAL WAY.
AND I THINK BECAUSE IF WE ARE LOOKING LOCALLY, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE MOVING THIS PRODUCTION OF THE POWER LOCALLY.
NOW, UH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN TERMS OF, WELL, IF YOU DO THIS HERE, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT WE'RE STILL, WE, WE, WE'RE NOT REALLY, YOU ARE SAYING WE ARE DISPLACING THIS WITH SOMETHING THAT'S MORE EFFICIENT ON A GLOBAL SENSE, BUT ON A WE WILL, WE WILL ALSO BE LOOKING AT THIS AS AN IMPACT LOCALLY, I THINK IS OF COURSE, MY THOUGHT WOULD BE, YEAH.
AND I, AND I'M ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT BOTH THERESA, UH, UM, IF YOU, IF YOU SORT OF SEGREGATE THE POLLUTANTS IN
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YOUR MIND, THERE'S WHAT, UM, GREENHOUSE GASES, LIKE CARBON DIOXIDE ARE POLLUTANTS THAT HAVE AN EFFECT GLOBALLY.AND, UM, AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THIS METRIC, THE 10 16 IS ABOUT.
BUT WE ARE ALSO TALKING ABOUT LOCAL AIR POLLUTANTS, THINGS LIKE NOX AND SULFUR DIOXIDE IN PARTICULATE MATTER.
AND, AND THE BEAUTY OF THIS PROJECT IS NOT ONLY IS IT REDUCING GLOBAL POLLUTANTS LIKE GREENHOUSE GASES AND C O TWO, BUT BECAUSE IT'S NON COMBUSTION, IT'S NOT EMITTING THE PRODUCTS OF COMBUSTION, WHICH ARE THINGS LIKE SOCKS AND NOX AND PM, BUT THE POWER PLANTS THAT WE'RE DISPLACING THAT THIS PROJECT IS DISPLACING AND WHICH ARE IDENTIFIABLE AND ARE UPWIND OF GREENBURG, THEY'RE BURNING OIL, SOMETIMES KEROSENE, AND THEY DO PRODUCE A LOT OF THAT KIND OF AIR POLLUTION.
SO, SO IT'S, IT'S GONNA HAVE BOTH A GLOBAL IMPACT IN TERMS OF, OF BRINGING DOWN EMISSIONS AND A LOCAL ONE'S.
MAY I ASK CHARLIE, LET ME, UH, LET ASK YOU.
MIKE, MIKE, WAIT, CAN I ASK, WAS IT MAY? HELLO? MARGARET? IS THAT MARGARET? THAT'S ME.
I, I'M HAVING A, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.
I KNOW, I WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW.
WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW, MARGARET.
WHERE, HOW FAR AND HOW SURE ARE YOU, WE'RE WAS GOING TO BE UPWIND.
WHERE ARE THE PLANTS? TELL ME ABOUT THAT, THAT, SO YOU PEAK MY CURIOSITY.
YEAH, SO, SO WE, WE SORT OF LIKE TOOK A LOOK AT THE REGION AND, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT EG GRID, IT'S DIVIDED INTO DIFFERENT, THERE'S DIFFERENT ZONES.
THERE'S LIKE NEW YORK CITY, WESTCHESTER, AND THEN NEW YORK STATE DIVIDES ITS ELECTRIC GRID INTO A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ZONES.
THEY CALL, IT'S ACTUALLY A THROUGH K, UM, AND ZONE J IS NEW YORK CITY AND ZONE I IS THE AREA JUST NORTH OF NEW YORK CITY.
AND SO LOOKING IN THAT REGION, YOU CAN FIGURE OUT, UH, WHICH, WHICH FOSSIL FUEL POWER PLANTS ARE STILL REMAINING THERE.
SO, AND WE LOOKED AT THAT AND, AND THE WIND TENDS TO COME FROM THE WEST TO THE EAST.
THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE WHAT'S CALLED POLLUTION, AIR TRANSPORT THAT COMES ACROSS THE STATES.
AND IF YOU LOOK, THERE'S, THERE'S A, A PROJECT CALLED, UM, LOOKS LIKE THE OLDEST DIRTY AND DIRTIEST ONES ARE THE HILLBURN, UH, GAS TURBINE IN HILLBURN, NEW YORK, WHICH IS OVER BY MIDDLETOWN.
THERE'S THE SHOEMAKER GAS TURBINE IN MIDDLETOWN, NEW YORK.
THEY BURN BOTH NATURAL GAS AND DIESEL FUEL.
AND THERE'S ALSO NEWER GAS PLANTS, UH, C P V VALLEY, UH, IN, IN MIDDLETOWN.
UH, AND SO THOSE ARE, THOSE, PARTICULARLY THOSE FIRST TWO ARE OLDER, LESS EFFICIENT DIRTIER PLANTS THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND, FRANKLY, FOR TOO LONG.
AND, BUT THEY'RE STILL RUNNING.
AND SO WHEN, WHEN WE COME IN AND DO YOU, DID YOU SAY THEY BURN NATURAL, NATURAL NATURAL GAS? WHAT DO THEY BURN? NATURAL GAS.
AND THEY'RE WHAT'S CALLED DUAL FUEL.
WHAT THEY'LL DO IS THEY'LL BURN NATURAL GAS UNTIL ONE DAY WHEN NATURAL GAS IS EITHER TOO, YOU KNOW, THE PRICE VARIES.
IF, IF THERE'S A, UH, A LACK OF SUPPLY IN NATURAL GAS OR IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE, THEY'LL LITERALLY SWITCH OVER, FORGET, THAT'S NOT HAPPENING.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE OTHER, WHAT'S THE OTHER FUEL? WHAT'S THE OTHER FUEL? DIESEL.
AND, AND UNFORTUNATELY IT DOES HAPPEN STILL, IT'S, IT'S NOT GOOD, BUT THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF DIRTY OLD PEAKING POWER PLANTS ON THE SYSTEM THAT WE GOTTA GET RID OF.
AND SO THIS IS A METHODOLOGY TO SLOWLY GET RID OF THOSE PLANTS BY DISPLACING THEM WITH SOMETHING FAR CLEANER.
BUT, BUT, BUT CHARLES, CHARLES, CHARLES, WE'RE GETTING IN THIS AREA, WE'RE GETTING OUR ELECTRIC FROM CONED.
AND WHAT PERCENTAGE, I MEAN, IF AT, IF AT ALL OF THAT POWER IS BEING USED BY CONED, SO I MEAN, IT, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE, YEAH, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE PLANS THAT ARE NOT DESIRABLE, BUT ARE, ARE THEY REALLY ONES THAT ARE IN, IN OUR AREA? IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU WERE PULLING FUEL FROM CONED, I MEAN, YOU'RE PULLING THE GAS FROM CONED, SO IT'S SORT OF, IT'S SORT OF AMUSING IN THAT SENSE.
UM, IF YOU WERE PULLING THE ELECTRIC AT THIS SITE, THE ELECTRIC AT THE SITE IS PULLED FROM CON ED.
UM, IF CON ED HAS KIND OF CLEANED UP THEIR, THEIR ACT AND HAS, IS USING LESS AND LESS FOSSIL FUEL, WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER TO BE STAY TO BE STAYING WITH CON ED WHERE WE GET INTO THAT LOWER NUMBER BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER SOURCES OF, UM, NON-POLLUTING ENERGY BEING USED TO PRODUCE ELECTRIC IN THIS WESTCHESTER REGION, THAT, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE MARGINAL NUMBER REPRESENTS.
IT REPRESENTS THE CARBON INTENSITY OF THE ELECTRIC GRID THAT THIS CUSTOMER IS GOING TO PURCHASE IF THEY DON'T INSTALL
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THIS SYSTEM.AND, AND THAT NUMBER IS 10 16.
THAT'S WHY E P A PUBLISHES IT TO TELL PEOPLE HOW CLEAN OR HOW DIRTY THE ELECTRIC POWER THEY BUY IS.
I, I FEEL IT A BIT OF A DISADVANTAGE.
'CAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO READ THE DOCUMENT YOU REFERENCED HERE BEFORE.
I, I COMMENT FURTHER, BUT I DO FIND IT, UM, SOMEWHAT OF A, AN IN A SOLUTION THAT PERHAPS PUTS A BURDEN IN THE WRONG PLACE BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION BEING SO CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL HOUSING IN A SCHOOL.
CHARLIE, CAN I ASK YOU THESE QUESTIONS? THE HILLBURN PLANT THAT YOU MENTIONED IS OVER 20 MILES AWAY, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
55 ACCORDING, UH, UH, AND SOME OF THE OTHER ONES YOU MENTIONED ON PAGE TWO OF YOUR THINGS ARE 60 OVER 60 MILES AWAY.
SO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS YOU DON'T, YOU SAY IN YOUR, IN YOUR REPORT OR YOUR ANSWERS THAT ALL THIS STUFF DISSIPATES IN THE AIR.
WHY ARE WE CONCERNED ABOUT GREENBERG, ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS? BECAUSE BY THE WAY, THE HILBURN PLANTS ARE PEAKER LAST YEAR.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING CONAIR DIDN'T USE ANY PEAKS.
OH, IS THAT WRONG? YEAH, THAT'S WRONG.
THAT'S NOT YOU'RE FREEZING CHARLIE.
NO, THAT'S DEFINITELY INACCURATE, MIKE.
THEY'RE, WE'RE THESE, THE, THE NUMBER OF THE MOUNT, THE TIME THAT PEAKERS ARE RUNNING IS THE MARGINAL NUMBER.
THAT'S WHAT THAT NUMBER REPRESENTS.
WHAT IS THE AMOUNT OF TIME PEAKERS RUN IN OUR AREA? DO YOU KNOW? IT'S, IT'S NOT, SO WE HAVE TO DIVIDE.
I WANT TO GET BACK TO THERESA AND YOU ON THE, 'CAUSE YOU'RE SAYING THE SAME THING.
IT'S ABOUT THE, THE IDEA THAT THERE'S A LOCAL BURDEN VERSUS A BURDEN FAR AWAY.
UH, AND THE AMOUNT THAT PEAKERS RUN CHANGES MINUTE BY MINUTE.
AND, AND WHAT THE E P A EEG GRID DATABASE IS INTENDED TO DO IS GIVE YOU THE BEST PICTURE OF OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR, UH, WHICH PLANTS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE THE, WHAT THEY CALL THE LAST ONES IN THE ONES THAT WOULD GET DISPLACED WHEN YOU REDUCE THE LOAD ON THE GRID.
AND WE GOTTA KEEP 'EM IN MIND THAT THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF POLLUTION, RIGHT? THERE'S A GLOBAL AIR POLLUTANTS LIKE GHGS AND THOSE, IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU, WHERE YOU EMIT THEM, IT HAS THE SAME EFFECT.
COULD BE IN INDIA OR CHINA, OR IT COULD BE IN, IN GREENBURG, IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER.
AND THEN THERE'S LOCAL AIR POLLUTANTS.
AND, AND SO I, I TAKE YOUR POINT ABOUT, UM, BEING 20 OR 30 OR 40 OR 50 MILES AWAY, THE UNFORTUNATE FACT IS AIR POLLUTION JUST, IT, IT CARRIES ACROSS IN THE AIR.
BUT, BUT, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS A FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT KIND OF POWER GENERAT.
IT, IT DOESN'T PRODUCE THOSE LOCAL POLLUTANTS.
SO IT DOESN'T CREATE A LOCAL BURDEN.
IT PRODUCE, OH, CHARLIE, IT, IT PRODUCES 20,000 POUNDS A DAY OF C2, OF GREENHOUSE GASES.
BUT WE JUST SAID THAT THOSE DON'T MATTER WHERE YOU PRODUCE THEM.
RIGHT? THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE AN, IT, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE YOU PRODUCE THEM FOR SOME PURPOSES, IT MAY MATTER WHERE YOU PRODUCE THEM DEPENDING ON WHAT, WHAT THE P P M IS AT THAT POINT OR AT THAT LOCATION THAT, AND SO I WANNA JUST DISTINGUISH BETWEEN, UM, SORT OF LIKE AIR POLLUTION CONSIDERATIONS VERSUS SORT OF WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER SORT OF BE A HUMAN HEALTH SAFETY KIND OF THING.
UM, THE, THE LATTER IS THERE IS, THERE IS NOT A, THERE'S JUST NO, THERE'S NO CONSIDERATION OF REGULATORY BODY AROUND THE IDEA OF THINKING ABOUT C O TWO AS THE KIND OF POLLUTION THAT, UH, WHAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO SAY THIS? THAT, THAT YOU HAVE TO AVOID PEOPLE BEING NEAR IT.
IT'S EFFECT IS NOT ON THE HUMAN BODY, BUT IT'S ON THE, ON THE GLOBE, ON THE EARTH'S CLIMATE.
RIGHT? SO UNLESS, UNLESS YOU'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE INDOORS AND, AND THERE'S NO DISPERSION, UH, CHARLIE, UH, WHEN, WHEN YOU, COULD YOU GO BACK? THERE'S ONE QUESTION.
I MEAN, THIS IS ALL VERY HELPFUL.
I I I UNDERSTAND THAT PEAKERS, YOU SAY THAT PEAKERS COME ON AND OFF ALL THE TIME.
WHAT, HOW, HOW OFTEN DO THEY COME? THEY COME ON EVERY DAY.
YOU KNOW, IT'S OUR UNDER, I MEAN, WHAT PEOPLE I UNDERSTAND IS THAT THEY USE THE PEAKER UNITS, LIKE WHEN THERE'S A HEAT WAVE IN THE SUMMER AT 2:00 PM ON A JULY, YOU'RE SAYING THEY, THEY COULD BE USING RIGHT NOW.
IT'S, IT'S A FUNCTION OF HOW MUCH ELECTRICITY IS BEING USED.
SO WHEN THEY USE THE PHRASE PEAKER, THEY MEAN PEAK LOAD ON THE SYSTEM.
SO, SO THAT, IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH, UH, IS BEING USED.
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SO THE, THE EMISSION RATE INCLUDES THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IT OPERATED BECAUSE IT'S IN POUNDS PER MEGAWATT HOUR.
SO THE, THE HOUR ASPECT OF THE EMISSION RATE INCLUDES THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IT HAD HAS OPERATED THAT YEAR.
ONE, YOU WERE SHAKING YOUR HEAD ABOUT SOMETHING.
DID YOU WANNA HAVE A MAKE A COMMENT? AND THEN I WANNA ASK YOU A QUESTION.
YOU WERE SHAKING A FEW MINUTES AGO.
I DUNNO IF THAT'S WHAT I SAYING.
WHAT WAS CHARLIE WAS SAYING, BUT YOU WAS, WHAT, WHAT DID YOU WANNA COMMENT? I'D LIKE, UM, I, THERE'S JUST NO, NO RESEARCH THAT SHOWS THAT INCREASED LEVELS OF CARBON DIOXIDE OUTSIDE HAS ANY EFFECT ON HUMAN HEALTH.
THAT ALL OF THE RESEARCH ONLY THING, EXCUSE ME.
I, I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO ME WE'VE HAD SOME RESEARCH DONE WHERE, UM, IN FACT WITH INCREASE OF CARBON DIOXIDE NOW SORT OF DISPLACES THE OXYGEN, THIS CAN BECOME PROBLEMATIC.
UM, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE, THE FAMOUS THING OF THE CHILDREN IN THE CITY IN THE MOST CONGESTED AREAS.
SO, UM, AND I KNOW CHARLES, YOU HAD SAID, WELL, THERE'S NO INDICATION OF THAT.
'CAUSE I WAS GONNA COME BACK TO THAT ONE BECAUSE YOU HAD SAID IT.
AND I, THIS, THIS CONCERNS ME BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME WE'VE RECEIVED SORT OF A DIFFERENT TAKE ON THIS.
THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, AS YOU INCREASE THE, YOU ARE DISPLACING OXYGEN AS YOU PUT THIS CARBON DIOXIDE INTO THE AIR.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME AS YOUR CARBON DIOXIDE CONCENTRATION GOES UP, UM, WHILE YOU'RE NOT IN A LOCKED ROOM OR SOMETHING, THIS SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD AFFECT PE UH, PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY CHILDREN, BECAUSE THEIR, THEIR BODIES, JUST THEIR LUNGS ARE STRUCTURED DIFFERENTLY THAN ADULTS.
WE'RE, WE'RE, AGAIN, WE'RE CONFUSING THE KINDS OF POLLUTANTS.
OKAY? THAT KIND OF POLLUTION THAT HARMS CHILDREN, CAUSES ASTHMA, CAUSES LUNG CANCER, THAT KIND OF THING.
THOSE ARE COMBUSTION RELATED PUTIN POLLUTANTS.
THINGS LIKE PARTICULATE MATTER AND, AND NOX.
AND THIS IS A NON, I'M NOT SAYING THAT CHARLES, WE'RE NOT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT.
I'M SAYING THAT IF YOU CAN, IF YOU ARE CONCENTRATING THE C O TWO IN THE AIR WITH A HIGHER CONCENTRATION, THAT THIS BASICALLY REDUCES THE OXYGEN SUPPLY.
I MEAN, THOSE THINGS IN THE SAME ENVIRONMENT.
CAN, CAN I JUST IN, I WANNA INJECT JUST A, A, LET'S TALK COMMON SENSE JUST FOR A SECOND.
NEW YORK CITY HALL WE'RE, WE'VE BEEN INSTALLED THERE FOR 10 YEARS, DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING.
WE'RE INSTALLED RIGHT THERE NEXT TO THE BUILDING WHERE PEOPLE COME IN AND OUT ALL DAY LONG.
SUNY DOWNSTATE MEDICAL CENTER IS A, IS A PREMIER RESEARCH INSTITUTION THAT FOCUSES ACTUALLY UNLIKE HUMAN HEALTH AND, AND AIR POLLUTION AND LUNGS, AND WE'RE INSTALLED RIGHT NEXT TO THE BUILDING.
AND I COULD YOU, REGENERON PHARMACEUTICALS IS DOWN THE ROAD.
FORDHAM UNIVERSITY IS A CUSTOMER.
THESE PEOPLE HAVE THE BEST RESEARCH SCIENTISTS IN THE WORLD.
THEY CAN HIRE THE BEST CONSULTANTS.
THEY CARE ABOUT THEIR OWN HEALTH.
NOT ONE OF THEM HAS EVER RAISED THIS AS A ISSUE THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S KNOWN TO NOT BE AN ISSUE.
WELL, CHARLIE, CHARLIE AND MEGAN, I WOULD, I'M SURE Y'ALL KNOW A LOT ABOUT MORE ABOUT THIS THAN I DO, BUT THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE HAS PUBLISHED DATA ON OUTSIDE C O TWO CONCENTRATIONS, AND THEY HAVE A CHART IN THERE, UM, PER P P M, UM, AS TO, UM, UH, WHEN IT IS CAUSES HEALTH IMPACTS ON PEOPLE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HELL, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE RIGHT OR WRONG, AND, UH, YOU MAY BE RIGHT, CHARLIE, THAT THERE'S NO, UH, IMPACT ON PEOPLE.
IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL GREENHOUSE GAS AND WHAT IT DOES IN THE ATMOSPHERE.
UH, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF, I DON'T KNOW IF THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE IS RIGHT OR WRONG, BUT THEY DO HAVE A CHART WHERE THEY LIST THAT, UM, UH, UM, THE SERIOUSNESS OF SYMPTOMS DEPENDENCE ON THE CONCENTRATION OF C O TWO.
AND, AND I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE DISAGREE THAT THE, THAT THERE'S LEVELS OF CONCENTRATION OF C O TWO THAT WOULD AT, AT, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN POINT BECOME A PROBLEM FOR HUMAN HEALTH.
THE ISSUE IS WHETHER OR NOT IT'S REALISTIC TO THINK THAT, THAT THERE IS NOT GONNA BE A DISPERSION IN THIS SETTING.
UH, AND AND AT THE POINT I WAS MAKING ABOUT OTHER FACILITIES IS THAT THOSE FACILITIES HAVE THIS SAME SYSTEM INSTALLED MUCH CLOSER TO PEOPLE IN BUILDINGS THAN THIS ONE IS GONNA BE.
MAY, MAY I ASK? CAN MAY, CAN ANYONE HEAR ME? YEAH, GO AHEAD MARGARET.
UM, SO WE'VE IDENTIFIED THEIR CHILDREN AND IN, YOU KNOW, CLOSE PROXIMITY, CHILDREN'S LUNGS AS A PERCENTAGE OF THEIR BODY MASS ARE MUCH
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LARGER THAN THAN ADULTS.CHILDREN ARE MUCH MORE SENSITIVE.
UM, AND SO I'M CONCERNED, I WONDER, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID WHERE YOU WERE ALL THESE PLACES WHERE
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY GET BUSED.
IF, IF, IF, IF MARGARET, IF WE THOUGHT THAT WAS ACTUALLY GONNA HAPPEN, WE, WE WOULDN'T BE INVOLVED IN THIS.
THAT'S JUST THAT, THAT'S NOT A TYPE OF SCENARIO THAT ANYBODY HERE WOULD WANNA BE INVOLVED IN.
THAT'S NOT TELLING ME WHAT YOU THINK.
I'LL JUST GIVE YOU ANOTHER EXAMPLE HOW YOU FEEL.
THERE'S JUST, I THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT HELPING ME.
TELL ME, TELL ME, TELL ME MORE.
UM, I HAVE CHILDREN AND, AND I THINK THERE'S CHILDREN, UM, ALL OVER THE AREAS WHERE THIS TYPE OF SYSTEM IS, IS INSTALLED.
WE HAVE 60 OPERATING SYSTEMS IN NEW YORK STATE.
CHILDREN GO TO TARGET, WE'RE AT TARGET STORES.
CHILDREN GO TO HOME DEPOT, WE'RE THERE.
MASSACHUSETTS GENERAL HOSPITAL CHILDREN GO THERE, WE'RE INSTALLED THERE.
I MEAN, WE COULD JUST GO, WE, WE RUN THE NINE ONE ONE CALL SYSTEM FOR LONG ISLAND.
WE JUST, THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S, UM, IF, IF THERE I JUST, I MAYBE I'M PUTTING A LITTLE TOO MUCH FAITH IN THE GOVERNMENT, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD ALLOW US TO DO THIS KIND OF THING.
ARE YOU THIS CLOSE? ARE YOU THIS CLOSE TO ANY OTHER SCHOOL? UH, YES.
UH, WE HAVE A MICROGRID IN HARTFORD, CONNECTICUT THAT'S INSTALLED AT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 10 YEARS.
AND, AND THE CITY OF HARTFORD'S VERY PROUD OF IT.
IT'S A GREAT, DO YOU BRING CHARLES, WHAT FUEL ARE YOU BURNING AT THAT FACILITY? UH, WE DON'T BURN ANY FUEL.
THIS IS A NON COMBUSTION FACILITY.
UH, IT'S A NON-US IT'S, IT'S USING NATURAL GAS, BUT IT'S NOT BURNING ANYTHING.
IT'S THEREFORE IT DOESN'T CREATE THE AIR POLLUTION IMPACTS THAT WOULD BE OF CONCERN TO CHILDREN OR ADULTS.
DO ANY OF YOUR FACILITIES, UH, CHARLES, CHARLIE, DO ANY OF YOUR FACILITIES, UM, HAVE MEASURING DEVICES INSTALLED THAT MEASURE THE PPMS? UH, MEGAN, I THINK I GOTTA DEFER TO YOU.
I THINK YOU CAN CALCULATE IT BY THE INPUT AND THE OUTPUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE EXTERNAL ONES THOUGH.
NO, I MEAN, THERE ARE C O TWO MEASURING DEVICES LIKE MAKING THAT MEASURE.
THE, THE P M, UM, WE'VE DONE TESTING ON THE AIR POLLUTANTS, BUT NOT C O TWO, I MEAN, OH NO, WE SENT C O TWO.
SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T CURRENTLY LIKE MONITOR OUR C O TWO PARTS PER MILLION BY OUR UNITS AT ALL TIMES.
WOULD THERE BE YOU, MEGAN, AND CHARLIE, UH, WOULD THERE BE AN OBJECTION TO HAVING, UM, UM, UM, UH, C O TWO, UM, MEASURING DEVICES, UM, AT, UH, THE POINT OF DISCHARGE AT THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, WHICH IS 35 FEET AWAY AND AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHICH C D N C ADVISES US IS 1800, UH, LINEAR FEET AWAY? WELL, I DON'T DUNNO.
HAVE WE DONE, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE.
I'M CERTAINLY HAPPY TO LOOK INTO IT, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MEASURING CARBON DIOXIDE? YES, SIR.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CARBON MONOXIDE, CARBON DIOXIDE, I THINK YOU THINK WE DON'T, BUT WE DO.
I JUST WASN'T SURE IF YOU MEANT THE OTHER THANK YOU.
I MEAN, YOU KEEP ASKING THE QUESTION LIKE WE DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE ASKING IT.
UH, WHY DON'T, WHY DON'T WE, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND LIKE WHAT EXACT, SO, SO YOU WANNA HAVE A, A DEVICE THAT MEASURES C O TWO, BUT HAVE IT BE SORT OF LIKE PLACED, UH, NEAR WHAT WOULD BE WHAT THEY CALL RECEPTORS, WHICH IS A WAY OF TALKING ABOUT SAYING PEOPLE.
THEY, THE, THEY, THERE THERE WOULD BE THREE PLACES THAT, UH, I MEAN LOOK, THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS JUST A QUESTION.
WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT THE C A C YET.
UM, THIS IS A QUESTION, UH, AND THE QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT IF WE PUT AS A SAFEGUARD FOR, BECAUSE I MEAN, I DON'T, THERE'S NO REASON THE WORLD, CHARLIE, YOU ARE MAKING AND KNOW OUR LOCAL STATUTE, BUT OUR LOCAL STATUTE THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE OPERATING UNDER SAYS THAT WE ARE SU THAT IT IS PROHIBITED USE IN ALL DISTRICTS, UM, UH, FOR ANY FORM OF AIR POLLUTION OR ANY PROCESS OR USE, WHICH IS PRESIDENTIAL TO HEALTH.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO EVALUATE.
UM, IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, YOU, I I ACCEPT EVERYTHING YOU SAY ABOUT OTHER COMMUNITIES.
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HELP.WE, WE, WE WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO COMPLY WITH THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND, AND IF, AND YOU HAVE, IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MEASURING DEVICE TO DO THAT.
I THINK, UH, I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT WITH TWO CONDITIONS.
ONE OF WHICH IS WE'D HAVE TO TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE PROPERTY, RIGHT.
THAT, THAT WE'RE THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS ELISE'S PLACE, RIGHT? YEAH.
THEY'D HAVE TO BE OKAY WITH, AND I'M, I'M STILL, I'M VERY CURIOUS ABOUT WHY ELIZ IS NOT HERE ON THIS CALL.
I WAS CURIOUS LAST TIME AND THEY'RE STILL NOT HERE.
SO, SO, SO I WOULD WANT, I THINK WHAT MIKE, WHAT I WOULD ANSWER THAT IS WE, WE'D NEED TO LOOK INTO A COUPLE THINGS LIKE IS IT OKAY, WHERE WOULD IT BE SITUATED? IS THE PROPERTY OWNER OKAY WITH IT? ARE THE PEOPLE WHOSE HOUSE IT'S GONNA BE NEAR OKAY WITH IT? HOW MUCH DOES IT COST? WHERE'S IT GONNA GO? THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I WOULDN'T WANNA SAY LIKE, YOU KNOW, YES OR NO WITHOUT KNOWING THAT KIND OF, AND THERE'S, AND THEN THERE'S AN ISSUE OF, THERE'S AN ISSUE OF LIKE BACKGROUND CON CONCENTRATIONS OF C O TWO, LIKE FROM CARS DRIVING BY, YOU KNOW, THOSE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF C O TWO IN THE ATMOSPHERE.
THAT SHOULD MESS UP THE MON OH ONE CAR DRIVES BY AND IT SENDS THE C O TWO SPIKING.
AND THEN IS THAT FROM BLOOM? IS THAT FROM A CAR? IS THAT FROM YEAH.
YOU KNOW, ANYTHING ELSE NEARBY? IT DOES LOOK LIKE AN INDUSTRIAL AREA, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DO THIS KIND OF THING FOR A LIVING THAT COULD SORT OF LIKE ANALYZE
YEAH, I MEAN, IT WOULD, IT WOULD, IT WOULD TELL YOU THE CONCENTRATION OF C O TWO IN THE AIR, BUT IT WOULD NOT TELL YOU WHERE IT'S FROM.
AND THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW MEGAN IN A WAY.
AND, AND NO DUE RESPECT, I THINK IN A WAY THAT'S WRONG.
UM, UH, IF, IF WE'RE GETTING X FROM WHAT ALREADY PRE-EXIST, THAT'S NOT HOW AIR DISPERSION WORKS A LOT OF THE TIME.
SO I'VE SPENT A MAJORITY OF MY CAREER MODELING AIR POLLUTANTS, AND IT'S NOT EASY AS JUST LIKE BACKGROUND MINUS AN ADDITION IS LIKE, WHAT IS EXTRA? YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S TERRAIN DIFFERENCES.
THERE'S A HUNDRED DIFFERENT INPUTS AND OUTPUTS THAT AFFECT A CONCENTRATION IN THE AIR.
UM, MEGAN, THAT THAT IS SO, THAT IS SO INTUITIVE AND WONDERFUL TO THINK ABOUT.
EXCEPT IF YOU'RE THE PERSON THAT LIVES IN THAT LITTLE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET, YOU WANNA KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING, THEN THEY SHOULD, THEY WOULD THAT THEN WHY DON'T THEY HAVE C O TWO INSTALLED RIGHT NOW? BECAUSE THERE'S CARS DRIVING BY THEIR HOUSE.
I, I THINK, YEAH, I, I THINK, I THINK LET'S NOT VICTIMIZE SOMEONE WHO HAS A HOUSE NEAR THIS SITE.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WE HAVE A CURRENT STATE NOW.
I DON'T EXPECT SOMEONE TO COME IN AND IMPROVE THE CURRENT STATE, BUT I MEAN, I REALIZE THAT MEASURING CAN BE DIFFICULT AND OTHER THINGS AFFECTED.
BUT IF WE TAKE A CUR, USUALLY TO ME, WHEN YOU DO THINGS, IF YOU TAKE THE CURRENT STATE AND YOU SAY THE CURRENT STATE IS X AND IT'S SUDDENLY AFTER YOU PUT SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN THE CURRENT STATE IS INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY BY X PLUS WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO, THEN I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT COUNTERINTUITIVE TO SAY THAT THE ADDITION OF THIS HAS CHANGED THE SITUATION.
AND I THINK THIS IS OUR CONCERN.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS, WELL YES, THAT IS BORDERING ON SOME, UM, COMMERCIAL USE THERE, BUT, BUT IT ALSO BORDERS, IT'S WHERE COMMERCIAL USE HITS RESIDENTIAL HOUSING.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE SCHOOL, THE SCHOOL IS LOCATED ON A OVER A HUNDRED ACRE CAMPUS WHERE OUR SCHOOLS ARE LOCATED.
SO THE SCHOOL IS LOCATED IN A RATHER, UM, GREEN SAFE ENVIRONMENT.
'CAUSE WHERE BORDERS, THE EDGE OF THE SCHOOL PROPERTY IS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
SO I WOULD SAY WE ARE PROBABLY PRETTY SAFE IN ASSUMING THAT THE AIR UP BY THE SCHOOL IS PRETTY GOOD QUALITY.
IT'S, IT'S A VERY HEAVILY TREE PROPERTY.
UM, IT'S, IT'S THE OLD WARBURG ESTATE WHICH THE DISTRICT, UH, HAS THEIR SCHOOLS ON.
SO I THINK THE IDEA OF SAYING WE WANT TO MEASURE SOMETHING, UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S, THAT, IT SEEMS THAT STRANGE TO ME THAT YOU'D WANNA START OUT AND SAY, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE.
AND IF YOU PUT THIS IN, WHAT HAPPENS, PARTICULARLY AT THE SCHOOL SITE, BECAUSE THAT I THINK IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEALTH OF CHILDREN AND WE ARE CONCERNED ALSO ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE CLOSE TO THIS SITE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT AGAIN, GETS TO THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT WE, WHAT I THINK WE, WE WERE COMING TO GRIPS WITH AS A COUNTRY THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, THE AIR THAT THE AFFLUENT BREATHE SHOULD BE THE SAME AIR THAT'S LESS AFFLUENTLY BREATHE.
AND LET'S FACE IT, THE HOUSING THAT IS CLOSER IS LESS EXPENSIVE AND THAT'S WHY PEOPLE ARE LIVING THERE BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T AFFORD TO LIVE AWAY FROM WHERE THERE'S COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY.
NOT, SO, I, I THINK THERE IS SOME ISSUES THERE THAT WE, WE JUST TRYING HANDLE IN TERMS OF SOCIAL JUSTICE, GOOD HEALTH, AND WORK WITH YOU.
AND I THINK MIKE IS COMING UP WITH SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DISCOUNT OUTTA HAND, BUT WOULD IT BE OKAY IF I CAN OH, I WANNA MAKE YOU YEAH, THAT
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I, I'M NOT ACCUSING CHARLIE, YOU OR MEGAN OR YOUR COMPANY OR ANYTHING OF BEING CALLOUS OF, OF THESE CONCERNS.WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DEAL WITHIN THE CONFINES OF WHAT YEAH, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO AND, AND TRYING TO WORK MAYBE SOME COOPERATIVE SOLUTION WITH YOU THAT, THAT YOU CAN GET WHAT YOU WANT AND WE CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WE DID THE RIGHT THING FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THESE KIDS.
AND, AND, AND, AND SO DOES WHAT THERESA'S SAYING ABOUT LIKE THE FUTURE STATE VERSUS THE STATUS QUO KIND OF THING.
UM, AND I THINK THE SCIENCE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER ABOUT LIKE GHGS AND LOCAL POLLUTANT AND MARGINAL, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE, THE POINT OF THAT IS THAT THE FUTURE STATE WOULD ACTUALLY BE BETTER, BUT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS LIKE THE IMMEDIATE AREA, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO, BUT, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE REALIZING THOUGH IS THAT IT'S REALLY COMPLEX THING TO DO AND IT, AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT LIKE SOMEBODY SHOULD JUST DO FOR THE FIRST TIME, THAT THERE'S PEOPLE WHO ARE PROFESSIONALS AT AIR MONITORING.
UM, AND SO LIKE, I'M, I'M HAPPY IF WE TAKE UPON THE IDEA, FOR INSTANCE, OF FINDING SOMEBODY WHO CAN HELP SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HOW YOU WOULD, THIS IS HOW YOU WOULD GO ABOUT MEASURING THIS, UH, AND THIS IS WHERE YOU WOULD PUT IT, AND THAT KIND OF THING.
UH, AND FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT DOABLE? DO THEY THINK IT'S A A, A GOOD THING TO DO OR NOT? DO THEY THINK THERE'S A WAY TO DO IT? UM, AND THEN THE NEXT LEVEL WOULD BE LIKE, IS, YOU KNOW, IS EVERYBODY INVOLVED, INCLUDING THE SCHOOL MIGHT NOT EVEN, YOU KNOW, KNOW ABOUT IT OR, OR, OR WANNA DO IT.
SO WE WOULD NEED TO CHECK WITH A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO AREN'T HERE TODAY.
BUT, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I KNOW YOU NEED TO, YOU NEED TO SAY LIKE, WE HAVE A STATUTE WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH AND YOU NEED SOME EVIDENCE TO DO THAT.
AND, AND IF I MAY, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THERE WOULD LIKELY BE SOME TIME FOR THAT TO BE, YOU KNOW, LOOKED INTO FURTHER.
UM, THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT WILL ISSUE ITS REPORT AND FINDINGS TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND THEN THERE ARE GONNA BE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS INCLUDING A PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE PLANNING BOARD, WHICH WON'T AT A MINIMUM TAKE PLACE UNTIL SOMETIME IN JANUARY.
SO WE DO HAVE SEVERAL WEEKS, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE HOLIDAYS, UM, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT.
BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY THAT THERE WILL BE TIME TO LOOK INTO THIS FURTHER.
SO I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE HELPFUL AS WELL.
I, I MEAN OUR, OUR NORMAL APPROACH, UM, CHARLIE, YOU, I MEAN YOU POLICY, I HAVE A FINAL
DOES ANYONE HEAR ME? YOU, YOU, YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT GARBLED, BUT GO AHEAD MARGARET
I CAN, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, YES.
I JUST WONDER DOES BLOOM HAVE ANY OTHER ENERGY SOURCE SOURCE BESIDES NATURAL GAS DOES BLOOM? SO I THINK I GOT THE QUESTION, WHICH IS, SO, WHICH IS WHAT? YEAH, SO, UM, SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT MY QUESTION HEARS ME.
YEAH, NO, I, I THINK YOU SAID DOES BLUE.
ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER SOURCE OF, OF, DOES BLOOM HAVE ANOTHER FUEL SOURCE OR ENERGY SOURCE OTHER THAN NATURAL GAS? UM, SO OUR ENERGY SERVERS ARE CAPABLE OF USING TWO OTHER FUELS.
ONE IS CALLED BIOGAS OR RENEWABLE GAS, AND THE OTHER IS CALLED HYDROGEN OR GREEN HYDROGEN.
UM, AND, AND WE'RE REALLY UNIQUELY SITUATED TO DO THAT.
UH, IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEW CLIMATE LAW IN NEW YORK, IT, IT ACTUALLY DOESN'T ALLOW ANYBODY OTHER THAN FUEL CELLS TO QUALIFY AS A RENEWABLE USING THOSE FUELS.
THE PROBLEM IS, RIGHT NOW, IN 2021, WHEN WE'RE INSTALLING THIS SYSTEM, THOSE FUELS AREN'T, AREN'T IN REAL LIFE AVAILABLE, RIGHT? SO WE KNOW WE CAN DO IT.
AND WE'VE DONE IT IN A FEW PLACES.
FOR INSTANCE, AT A FARM IN CALIFORNIA, UH, WE'RE ALSO MAKING HYDROGEN IN, UH, IN CALIFORNIA IN CONJUNCTION WITH SOME SOLAR PROJECTS.
BUT, BUT RIGHT NOW IN NEW YORK, THOSE KINDS OF FUELS ARE NOT YET COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE.
BUT, BUT ONCE THEY BECOME AVAILABLE, THIS SYSTEM IS GONNA BE BETTER AND MORE UNIQUELY SITUATED TO USE THEM THAN ANYTHING ELSE TO A DEGREE WHERE LIKE BURNING THAT KIND OF FUEL ISN'T EVEN CONSIDERED TO BE RENEWABLE IN NEW YORK BASED ON THE LATE ON THE NEW CLIMATE LAW THAT THAT PASSED IN JULY 19.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY, YOU JUST CAN'T FIND THEM RIGHT NOW, BUT, BUT PE A LOT OF PEOPLE INCLUDING US ARE WORKING ON THAT, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ALL GOTTA GET TO.
WELL THIS HAS BEEN A VERY GOOD AND VERY HELPFUL DISCUSSION.
THIS IS OUT OF WHAT, UH, QUESTION NUMBER THREE OR FOUR, QUESTION NUMBER FOUR, RIGHT? ANY, ANYBODY ELSE? UH, YOU KNOW, LIZ, DONNA, ALFRED, UM,
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ANY OTHER, UH, ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS WANT TO ASK ON NUMBER FOUR BEFORE WE'RE GO TO NUMBER FIVE? OKAY, NUMBER FIVE.THIS TALKS ABOUT COULD YOU USE, UM, COULD YOU, YOU KNOW, CAPTURE IT AND SEQUESTER IT? AND YOU SAID NO, 'CAUSE IT'S NOT UNDERGROUND SEQUESTERING LOCATIONS HERE.
ANY QUESTIONS ON NUMBER FIVE? OKAY, NUMBER SIX, THIS DEALS WITH TEMPERATURE OF THE FACILITY, THE HEAT.
ANY QUESTIONS? C C ON NUMBER SIX? OKAY, LET'S SEE.
UM, JUST, UM, OOPS, SORRY, MIKE, I, I'M SORRY.
I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY RECEIVED THE, UM, THE FENCING, UM, ILLUSTRATION THAT WE SENT ALONG AS WELL.
UM, ANYTHING AND NUMBER SIX ABOUT HEAT.
NUMBER SEVEN DEALS WITH, UH, WHETHER IT'S A NEW YORK STATE, UH, PERMIT REQUIRED.
NUMBER EIGHT TALKS ABOUT CHEMICALS, METAL METALS, AND OTHER MATERIALS IN THE FUEL CELLS.
UM, UH, AND IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY TOXINS THERE? UH, I HAD ONE QUESTION ON THAT.
UM, ANY BEFORE ME, ANY, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE, UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON NUMBER EIGHT? NO, UH, THE QUESTION I HAD, I, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT THIS TO APPEAR TO BE, UM, HOSTILE, BUT IT'S A QUESTION I THINK THE C A C HAS TO ASK JUST AS PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS, CHARLIE, WOULD YOU PLEASE COMMENT ON THE E P A FINE OF A LITTLE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS FOR, UH, REGARDING HAZARDOUS WASTE SHIPMENTS? YEAH, SURE, SURE.
UH, BASIC DID, UM, SHOULD I GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON WHAT, UH, THIS, HOW THIS, HOW THIS CAME? SO, SO THE BASIC PREMISE IS THAT, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THIS, BUT WE ACTUALLY AS HUMANS CAN'T SMELL NATURAL GAS, RIGHT? UH, AND, UH, AND SO IN ORDER TO AVOID LIKE AN INADVERTENT LEAK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THE GAS COMPANIES ACTUALLY PUT A SULFUR COMPOUND INTO THE GAS.
THAT'S WHEN YOU SMELL WHAT YOU THINK IS NATURAL GAS, YOU'RE ACTUALLY SMELLING THIS SULFUR COMPOUND THAT GETS PUT IN THERE.
AND, UH, AND WHAT OUR SYSTEM DOES AND, AND WHEN, WHEN MOST PEOPLE USE NATURAL GAS, IF YOU'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW, COOKING SPAGHETTI OR YOU'RE WATER HEATER OR WHATEVER, YOU'RE BURNING WHATEVER'S IN THE GAS, OKAY? BUT THAT, THAT SULFUR COMPOUND IS BAD FOR FUEL CELLS.
SO WHAT WE HAVE A, UH, A SYSTEM THAT'S A, UH, IT'S BASICALLY A A, A STEEL CONTAINER, UH, THAT COMES IN, UH, THE GAS COMES INTO IT AND IT GETS ALL THOSE COMPOUNDS OUT BEFORE IT GOES INTO THE FUEL CELL.
AND THAT'S WHY, FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU PUT A NATURAL GAS INTO A POWER PLANT, SULFUR DIOXIDE COMES OUT THE SMOKE STACK AND GOES OUT INTO THE AIR WHENEVER YOU BURN.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THINGS LIKE GAS STOVES AND HOUSES 'CAUSE YOU'RE BURNING THE GAS IN YOUR HOUSE IN A CLOSED ENVIRONMENT.
SO WE'RE SCRUBBING THAT STUFF OUT OF THE GAS SO IT NEVER COMES OUT IN THE AIR, AND IT'S IN A SEALED CONTAINER THAT NEVER GETS OPENED, UH, AT ANY POINT AT, AT, UH, YOU KNOW, AT A LOCATION OF A PROJECT LIKE THIS ONE.
UM, THERE WAS A TIME ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN, UH, WE WERE DOING THAT, UM, WHERE YOU CAN OVER TIME COLLECT ENOUGH OF THE SULFUR COMPOUNDS AND THINGS THAT ARE JUST NATURALLY IN GAS.
THERE'S ACTUALLY, LIKE THINGS LIKE BENZENE IN NATURAL GAS AND OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, YOU CAN COLLECT ENOUGH OF IT TO, TO MAKE IT, UH, ABOVE THE THRESHOLD THAT BECOMES A REGULATORY PROBLEM.
UH, WE HAVE, I'M GONNA BE CAREFUL HOW I SAY THIS 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA GET ANYBODY UPSET, BUT WE HAD AN INTERPRETATION.
OUR, ACTUALLY, OUR OUTSIDE COUNSEL HAD AN INTERPRETATION OF HOW THAT LAW APPLIED TO THAT SPECIFIC SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND, UH, AND SO, AND, AND, AND THEN ULTIMATELY ONE OF THE E P A OFFICES IN THE COUNTRY DID NOT AGREE WITH THAT INTERPRETATION.
SO THERE WAS LIKE A LONG, UH, I'LL CALL IT A NEGOTIATION TO FIGURE OUT HOW SHOULD WE CHARACTERIZE THIS FOR REGULATORY PURPOSES.
AND WE DIDN'T CHANGE WHAT WE WERE DOING PHYSICALLY, BUT, BUT WE ENDED UP, UM, BECAUSE WHAT WE DO WITH THAT
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STEEL CONTAINER IS WE TAKE IT TO A PLACE, IT'S LITERALLY IN INDIANA WHERE IT GETS RECYCLED.IT'S NEVER OPENED UNTIL IT'S THERE.
UM, THAT, THAT FALLS UNDER AN EXEMPTION OF, UH, THE, THE HAZARDOUS WASTE LAW.
FEDERAL HAZARDOUS WASTE LAW IS CALLED CRA OR THE RESOURCE CONSERVATION AND RECOVERY ACT THAT THAT FALLS UNDER AN EXEMPTION, UH, OF CRA WHERE WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS SORT OF MANAGE IT IN A WAY WHERE WE JUST KEEP TRACK OF WHERE THE STEEL CONTAINER'S GOING AND IT'S GOING TO RE RECYCLER.
IT NEVER GETS OUT INTO THE ENVIRONMENT IN ANY WAY.
AND THEN THEY LOOKED BACK AND SAID, WELL, DURING THAT PREVIOUS TIME, BEFORE WE STARTED TALKING TO EACH OTHER, AND WE HAD DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS, YOU WERE DOING SOMETHING THAT WASN'T CONSISTENT WITH OUR INTERPRETATION AND THEREFORE WE HAVE TO GIVE YOU A RETROACTIVE PENALTY.
SO WE, WE PAID THAT PENALTY IN ORDER TO SETTLE THAT, UH, WHAT I'LL CALL, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, LEGAL DISPUTE ABOUT HOW TO READ THE REGULATIONS.
AND, AND NOW IT'S, NOW IT'S FINE AND WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING CONSISTENT WITH THE WAY E P A, UH, DOES IT.
BUT AT NO POINT IN THAT PROCESS WAS THERE ANY KIND OF RELEASE TO THE ENVIRONMENT OR HARM TO HUMAN HEALTH OR THE ENVIRONMENT, IT WAS ABOUT A REGULATORY INTERPRETATION.
WELL, IT, IT DID WAS PART OF THE FINE RELATED TO DELIVERING THIS TO FACILITIES THAT WERE NOT AUTHORIZED TO RECEIVE IT.
I, I THINK MY, UM, LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY.
IF YOU, IF YOU READ THAT SOMEWHERE, AS LONG AS IT WAS A CREDIBLE SOURCE, THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE.
THIS IS PRETTY MUCH ANCIENT HISTORY.
SO I KIND OF HAVE WHAT I WOULD CALL SECONDARY SENSE OF IT.
BUT I KNOW THAT THE PLACE WHERE IT'S GOING NOW AND HAS BEEN GOING FOR YEARS IS TOTALLY CERTIFIED.
AND, AND I, AND I WANNA REALLY PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE, THE AMOUNT OF MATERIAL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT COLLECTS OVER THE COURSE OF ABOUT A YEAR IS EQUIVALENT TO THE AMOUNT OF THAT MATERIAL THAT'S IN A SINGLE GALLON OF GASOLINE.
SO THERE'S MORE OF THIS STUFF LIKE IN YOUR CAR THAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO THIS IS TRULY A REGULATORY INTERPRETATION THING RATHER THAN A HARM TO THE ENVIRONMENT TYPE ISSUE.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST A QUESTION RESEARCH HAVING YEAH.
IT'S A QUESTION WE JUST FELT THAT'S ALLEGATION.
AND, AND, UM, AND I, I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF HISTORY AT THIS POINT, I WOULD SAY.
THAT WAS A, NOW WE'RE ON, UH, BRIAN NUMBER NINE ABOUT THE, UH, THE FIBER GLA THE QUILTED FIBER GLASS SOUND ABSORBING PANELS.
AND THIS RELATES TO THE, UM, UH, SITE PLAN OR THE SKETCH OF THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS PART OF WHAT WAS, UH, DISTRIBUTED TO US.
AND I KNOW THIS WAS AREAS THAT, UH, LIKE LIZ HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT AND MARGARET HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT, AND DONNA HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT.
THIS, THIS IS, THIS WILL BE THE EASIEST, UH, ANSWER TONIGHT.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT LOOKS OKAY, AND I KNOW THAT WAS AN ISSUE, SO, UM, WE DON'T WANT THE FENCING TO BE, YOU KNOW, UH, INHIBITOR AND WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS ON THIS TO, TO MAKE SURE IT LOOKS OKAY AND THE RESIDENTS ARE OKAY WITH IT, AND THAT THERE'S NOT, UH, ANY EGREGIOUS NOISE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT COMING OUTTA IT.
SO, SO YOU, YOU KNOW WHY YOU'RE SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL WORK WITH, UH, ABSOLUTELY, YEAH.
WITH C D C AND THE COMMU AND C, D AND C AND THE RESIDENTS.
I MEAN, WE DID STUFF, BUT IN REALITY, I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD WORK TOGETHER ON TO MAKE SURE IT SHOULD BE A VERY, A VERY SMALL, A VERY SMALL DEAL.
SOME, SO, SO, SO, SO YOU WILL NOT MAKE THE FENCE OFFENSIVE.
NUMBER 10 DEAL, UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING ON NUMBER NINE, UH, NUMBER 10, UM, IS THE, IS OP OPERATIONAL, UH, UH, ISSUES REGARDING ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENT MODES THE FACILITY CAN BE IN, ONE'S THE GRID PARALLEL MODE AND ONE'S THE MICROGRID MODE.
AND, UH, THEY GAVE US A VERY LONG ANSWER, UH, A VERY DETAILED ANSWER.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS THEY'D LIKE TO ASK A NO.
UM, UH, SEVERAL C A C MEMBERS HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT, I THINK LIZ HAD A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT LAST TIME.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS, UH, ANSWERS THIS WAS, YEAH, I THINK EL ALFRED, THIS WAS YOUR QUESTION, RIGHT? IS, IS THAT, WAS THAT ADEQUATE THAT ANSWER? WERE YOU OKAY WITH IT, ALFRED? I, I, I THINK, UM, THAT QUESTION MAY HAVE STEMMED FROM SOMETHING THAT YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT.
WERE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE APPLICANT'S ANSWER ON THAT? YES.
DID YOU HAPPEN TO, OKAY, GREAT.
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MARGARET, ANYTHING? NO, LIZ, UM, NOT ON THIS, BUT I, I ACTUALLY REALIZED I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT AN EARLIER ITEM THAT I FORGOT TO ASK EARLIER, WHICH, TO CLARIFY, WHICH, WHICH ONE, WHICH QUESTION? I THINK IT WAS QUESTION NUMBER FOUR WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT THE OUTPUT FROM THE, FROM, FROM AN INDIVIDUAL CELL OF BEING 6 79 TO 833 POUNDS PER M W H.NUMBER THREE, SORRY, JUST TO CLARIFY, DOES THAT MEAN, 'CAUSE THERE ARE SIX ENERGY CELLS GOING IN.
WHEN YOU SAY THAT THAT'S THE OUTPUT, I ASSUME THAT MEANS THAT'S THE OUTPUT PER A CELL, SO EACH OF THE SIX CELLS IS OUTPUTTING THAT AMOUNT? OR IS THAT THE TOTAL FOR THE WHOLE INSTALLATION? THAT'S THE TOTAL ON AN ENERGY BASIS.
SO IT'S EIGHT 18, OR LET'S SAY EIGHT 18 FOR AN AVERAGE, UM, POUNDS PER MEGAWATT HOUR PRODUCED.
SO THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MEGAWATT HOURS THAT ARE GONNA BE PRODUCED FROM THIS CER THIS SYSTEM.
AND THAT'S HOW MUCH, SO NO, IT'S NOT PER BLOOM FUEL CELL.
LIKE, ONCE YOU MULTIPLY THE TOTAL MEGAWATT HOURS, THAT'S IN THE, UM, THAT'S PRODUCED PER YEAR, THAT'LL BE THE EMISSION RATE.
SO, SO THIS IS WHAT THE FACILITY PUTS OUT.
MEGAN, YOU DON'T MULTIPLY THIS BY SIX TO GET WHAT? NO, DEFINITELY NOT.
ANYTHING ELSE? IT'S, IT'S, I WANNA CLARIFY, CAN I CLARIFY THAT LAST POINT, LIZ? I JUST WANNA MAKE THE, THE METRIC THAT MEGAN IS USING IS POUNDS PER MEGAWATT HOUR.
SO THIS FACILITY IS 1.5 MEGAWATTS, SO ONE AND A HALF.
SO YOU'D HAVE TO TAKE THAT NUMBER AND MULTIPLY IT BY ONE AND A HALF.
AND THAT WOULD BE HOW MANY POUNDS IT'S PUTTING OUT EACH HOUR.
IS THAT, DOES THAT, LEMME SO, SO IT'S SIX.
IT'S A, IF YOU REALLY, UM, THE, THE RIGHT NUMBER TO USE IS THE EIGHT 18 NUMBER.
AND WHAT'S GOING ON IS THERE'S, UM, UH, THE SYSTEM STARTS OUT MORE EFFICIENT, BECOMES A LITTLE LESS EFFICIENT, AND, AND WE USE EIGHT 18 BECAUSE THAT'S THE GUARANTEED NUMBER.
IT'S NEVER GONNA BE LESS EFFICIENT THAT, SO THAT'S A VERY CONSERVATIVE NUMBER TO USE IF YOU TAKE A EIGHT 18 AND YOU MULTIPLY THAT BY 1.5.
MEGAN, IF I GET ANYTHING WRONG, PLEASE JUMP IN AND JUST SAY SO, SO, SO WHAT, WHAT'S THE MATH THAT SOMEONE GOTTA CALCULATE? I GOT IT.
YOU JUST, YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE THE CAPACITY FACTOR TOO, OR, WELL, THAT'S RIGHT.
SO IT WOULD BE EIGHT 18 TIMES 1.5 EQUALS 1227 TIMES 0.95 EQUALS 1,165 POUNDS PER HOUR.
WHAT, WHAT ELSE MARGARET, WHAT DO YOU COME UP WITH? UH, CHARLIE, MARGARET, MARGARET'S WEALTH, MATT, WHATEVER.
IT, IT, IT'S THAT, UH, IT'S THAT CAPACITY FACTOR, MARGARET, THAT YOU HAVE TO MULTIPLY IT AGAIN BY POINT.
WELL I, YOU KNOW, YOU'S ALSO, THERE'S ALSO COMPOUNDING.
UM, SO LET'S SEE, WE HAVE GONE NOW THROUGH NUMBER NINE AND THAT'LL GET WORKED OUT.
NO MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT 10 11.
THIS DEALS WITH THE MONITORING AND THE, UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND, CHARLIE, UH, ON, THAT'S THE REASON THIS QUESTION.
SO WE'VE JUST GONE THROUGH IN THE TOWN OF GREENBERG, A PROPOSAL TO HAVE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE FACILITIES, WHICH I'M SURE YOU AND MEGAN ARE FAMILIAR WITH, UM, ON A, UH, GOLF COURSE AND, UM, WITH LITHIUM ION BATTERIES.
AND, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME OF THESE FACILITIES THAT HAVE HAD HEAD FIRES AND THERE'VE BEEN RECALLS OF, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE NUMBERS ANYMORE, LIKE AT LEAST A THIRD OF A MILLION, UH, LITHIUM IF, IF LITHIUM ION BATTERIES IN, IN AUTOMOBILES IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO.
AND, UM, OUR LOCAL FIRE FOLKS HAVE TOLD US THAT, UM, UM, IT TAKES A HUGE AMOUNT OF WATER AND IT TAKES, UH, UM, P P E WITH, UM, UM, WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, SELF-CONTAINED BREATHING APPARATUS TO ADDRESS THESE THINGS.
AND EVEN AFTER YOU TURN OUT THE FIRE, YOU CAN'T REALLY PUT THE FIRES OUT.
THEY KEEP BURNING AND SOMEONE GOES CLOSE TO 'EM, THEY'LL, THEY'LL GET KILLED OR SOMEONE TOUCHES IT GET KILLED.
SO WITH THAT BACKGROUND, THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING THESE QUESTIONS.
SO IF YOU COULD, UH, I JUST, IT, I KNOW THE QUESTIONS MAY HAVE SEEMED STRANGE 'CAUSE YOU HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS, BUT THAT'S THE BACKGROUND OF WHY CAC IS ASKING QUESTIONS.
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MIKE, THAT WE'VE HAD, UH, SIMILAR CONCERNS FROM FIRE DEPARTMENTS WHEN WE'VE TRIED TO INSTALL WITH LITHIUM ION BATTERIES.UM, AND, AND THE BASIC BREAKDOWN IS THAT A LITHIUM ION BATTERY HAS THE ABILITY TO SORT OF, I, I'LL CALL IT SELF IGNITE.
AND THEN SOMETIMES IF THEY LIKE SPRAY THE WRONG, YOU KNOW, WRONG CHEMICAL OR WRONG WATER, IT HAS THE, IT MAKES IT EVEN WORSE.
UM, FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT SITUATION HERE.
THERE'S NO SOURCE OF COMBUSTION OR NO WAY FOR A FUEL CELL TO SELF IGNITE.
AND, AND, AND SO OUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN PARTICULARLY IN PLACES LIKE NEW YORK WITH THE F D N Y AND IN BOSTON, WE'VE GONE INTO VERY DETAILED PROCESS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I MEAN, YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN HOW MUCH
AND THEY SEE A, AND, AND THERE'S JUST A TOTALLY, UH, DIFFERENT REGULATORY PERSPECTIVE FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS ON A LITHIUM ION BATTERY VERSUS A FUEL CELL.
AND, AND WE, WE JUST, WE, WE STOPPED INSTALLING NEXT TO THEM BECAUSE WE RAN INTO SO MANY, UH, SO MUCH TROUBLE GETTING PERMITS FROM FIRE DEPARTMENTS TO INSTALL THE, THE BATTERY PART OF IT.
YOU, YOU KNOW, HOW TO FIRE ONE OF THESE FACILITIES? UH, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW OF A FIRE THAT'S EVER HAPPENED.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY, UH, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RESPONSES TO, UM, NUMBER 11? OKAY.
LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE? HOLD ON.
I GUESS THE ONE THING WAS, UM, I HAD, WHICH I THINK, I DUNNO IF THIS REALLY IS, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, IF SOMETHING HAD TO BE TURNED OFF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE THE GUARANTEE THAT THE PEOPLE AT THE ELISE ELISE FACILITY WOULD BE TRAINED AND THAT THE TRAINING WOULD CONTINUE IN THE, IN THE PROTOCOL FOR THEIR TRAINING AND THEIR AWARENESS WOULD BE HELD IN PLACE? I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE ALL SEEN WONDERFUL PROCEDURES COME UP IN, IN CORPORATE KIND OF ENVIRONMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, BUT A FEW YEARS GO PAST AND IT'S FILED SOMEWHERE IN A FILE ROOM AND NO ONE KNOWS QUITE WHAT TO DO WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS, RIGHT? SO, SO WE, WE DO, UM, WE, WE LEAVE THE CUSTOMER WITH A, BASICALLY A MANUAL THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, EXPLAINS WHERE EVERYTHING IS.
WE WALK 'EM THROUGH IT, FIRST OF ALL, BUT WE LEAVE 'EM WITH A MANUAL THAT SAYS WHERE EVERYTHING IS.
BUT IF THERE WAS A FIRE, IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE, I MEAN, EVERYONE'S INSTRUCTED TO, TO CALL 9 1 1.
JUST WANTED TO, TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A BIG RED BUTTON, RIGHT? IT'S LIKE, YEAH, IT'S A SHUT OFF BUTTON.
IT'S LIKE THE THING YOU HAVE ON YOUR DESK.
BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE GUARANTEE THAT SOMEONE KNOWS WHERE THE BUTTON IS AND HAS ENOUGH COMMON SENSE TO PUSH IT.
REMEMBER WE DID ASK THIS QUESTION.
IT'S THE FIRE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE, I MEAN, IF, I MEAN THE SITUATION, IF IT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, FIRE, GOD FORBID, UNLIKELY.
BUT IT COULD HAPPEN, RIGHT? I MEAN, SO IT WOULD BE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UM, EVERYONE WOULD BE INSTRUCTED TO CALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FIRST.
THERE IS A, A SHUTOFF BUTTON THAT EVERYONE'S AWARE OF ON SITE.
UM, BUT WE DO, I I DID LOOK INTO THIS BECAUSE THIS QUESTION CAME UP, UM, LAST MEETING.
WE DO HAVE AN EMPLOYEE, UM, IN WHITE PLAINS, UH, A TECHNICIAN.
EVERYONE TELL ME HOW EVERYONE'S AWARE OF IT ON SITE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE I GO TO WORK EVERY DAY AND I DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO ANYTHING.
SO TELL ME SERIOUSLY, SERIOUSLY, TELL ME HOW EVERYONE ON SITE IS AWARE OF THAT SHUT OFF BUTTON.
SO, I MEAN, I GUESS EVERYBODY SHOULD BE AWARE, BUT WE, WE DO WALK THEM THROUGH, UM, WITH TRAINING, UM, WITH MANUALS AND IT'S VERY EASILY ACCESSIBLE.
UM, I GUESS I CAN'T SAY THAT EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY SHOULD KNOW.
I, I DON'T MEAN TO READ NOT NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
BUT YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION, WHICH, WHICH PROBABLY IS, IS, IS, YOU KNOW, PUSHING THE ISSUE.
BUT, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE DEVICE ITSELF, CATCHING FIRE.
THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT WOULD BE WHAT HAPPENS TO THE DEVICE IF THE BUILDING CATCHES FIRE? SO DID YOU SEE THE PICTURE ON THE, UH, I'M JUST, THIS IS KIND OF AN ASIDE, BUT WE INCLUDED THIS PICTURE.
'CAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY COOL WITH THE, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT ON, ON THE FUEL CELL.
AND, AND NOTHING, NOTHING HAPPENED.
SYSTEMS GOT DESTROYED BY THE FIRE, BUT THEY WERE SHORTLY REPLACED AND THERE WAS, THERE WAS NO EXTENUATING FIRE AS A RESULT OF THAT.
AND THEY BASICALLY ARE NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NO,
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UM, MAKE THE PROBLEM GREATER BECAUSE THEY'RE THERE WITH A FIRE.UM, CHARLIE, SUBJECT TO OBVIOUSLY CHECKING WITH
BUT, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM COMMITTING TO, UH, PROVIDING, UH, ANNUAL TRAINING TO THE, UH, ALTICE? YEAH, LET, LET ME ANSWER THIS WAY, MIKE.
I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT FIRST WHAT, WHAT OUR, YOU KNOW, CURRENT PROTOCOL IS.
UM, CERTAINLY CAN COMMIT TO MAKING SURE THE CUSTOMER HAS TRAINING AND THE LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENT IS INFORMED.
AND I ALSO WANNA TELL YOU ABOUT A DIFFERENT LAYER WE DIDN'T REALLY GET INTO, BUT OKAY, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A REMOTE MONITORING SYSTEM.
THERE'S ONE IN SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA, AND THEN THERE'S A BACKUP IN, IN INDIA, AND WE'RE BUILDING A THIRD ONE IN DELAWARE RIGHT NOW.
AND SO THERE'S, IF YOU, IF YOU THINK ABOUT LIKE HOUSTON MISSION CONTROL, THAT KIND OF SCENE WHERE THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE SITTING IN FRONT OF SCREENS AND THEY LITERALLY HAVE A VIDEO AND THEN LIKE A THOUSAND DIFFERENT DATA POINTS COMING OFF OF EVERY SYSTEM.
SO THEY'RE ALSO GONNA KNOW IF SOMETHING STARTS TO HAPPEN AND THEY ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO REMOTELY TURN EVERYTHING OFF.
SO THERE'S REALLY THREE, THERE'S REALLY THREE LAYERS.
BUT THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS YES, UH, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE I KIND OF UNDERSTAND HOW WE DO IT.
BUT THE IDEA IS THAT THE CUSTOMER SHOULD BE TRAINED TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S A PROBLEM RIGHT? IN, IN A WAY THAT'S SATISFACTORY.
I ASSUME IT'S AN HOUR OF TRAINING, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU TRAIN PEOPLE IN THE YEAR 2021 THERE, GOD FORBID, SOME KIND OF PROBLEM IN 2026.
WHO KNOWS IF ANYONE IN OUTIS IN 2026 EVEN GOT YOUR TRAINING IN 2021.
SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY LEAVES OR THE JOB PEOPLE CHANGE JOBS.
LET US DIG AROUND A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.
BUT I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT AND, AND, AND IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
WELL, UM, CHARLIE, WHAT IS YOUR, IS YOUR, UH, REMOTE MONITORING MONITOR DEPENDENT ON THE SUPPLY OF ELECTRICITY AT THE SITE? IT'S, IT'S DONE THROUGH WHAT'S CALLED TELEMETRY, WHICH IS A TELEPHONE LINE, UH, WHICH, WHICH, WHICH I BELIEVE WORKS WITHOUT POWER LIKE THE PHONE DOES.
BUT, BUT I, I WANT TO CONFIRM THAT.
I THINK IT DEPENDS ON HOW, THE REASON I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE LOCATED, CHARLIE.
IT, IT, IT, IT HAS, THE ANSWER IS IT HAS TO MIKE BECAUSE WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF SYSTEMS THAT OPERATE WHEN THE ELECTRIC'S NOT WORKING.
SO LEMME CONFIRM THAT FOR YOU, BUT I'M 99% SURE THE ANSWER'S YES.
'CAUSE IN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE, WHERE YOU'RE LOCATED, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ABOUT THERE WAS A HURRICANE CALLED SANDY ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, YEARS AGO.
IT WAS, IT WAS GOING ON 10 YEARS NOW.
AND, UM, THIS AREA, AREA, WE WENT A COUPLE WEEKS WITHOUT POWER AND WITHOUT TELEPHONE.
AND, UH, AND, UH, VERIZON DIDN'T WORK, AT T DIDN'T WORK.
THE ONLY THING THAT WORKED WAS THE OLD COPPER LINES.
AND I'M SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOUR SYSTEM IS PROBABLY NOT HOOKED UP TO THE OLD COPPER LINES.
AND SO THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST, UM, YEAH, I, I'M, I MEAN IT SEEMS TO ME YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE AN INCENTIVE TO HAVE SOLVED THAT PROBLEM.
WE HAVE, YOU KNOW? YEAH, YEAH.
I MEAN, WE, WE, WELL, LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY.
WE HAVE SYSTEMS THAT OPERATED RIGHT THROUGH HURRICANE, UH, SUPERSTORM SANDY.
SO, UH, IT MUST BE SO, SO LET, LET ME FIND OUT EXACTLY HOW THEY DO THAT AND WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
BUT THE IDEA IS, YOU KNOW, CAN, CAN IT BE REMOTELY CONTROLLED EVEN WHEN THE POWER'S OUT? YEAH.
AND THE POWER OF THE TELEPHONE AND, AND THAT STUFF.
ANY, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ON, ON 11? NO.
WE'VE KIND OF TOUCHED ON THIS, UM, THE ALTERNATE SOURCES OF FUEL.
I THINK MARGARET RAISED THIS QUESTION EARLIER, AND BASICALLY NONE OF THOSE ARE HERE NOW, BUT THERE'S A FOOTNOTE THAT SAYS THERE WAS A 10 YEAR TERM, THIS FOOTNOTE FOR IN, IN WHICH IS IN THE, UH, FOOTNOTE FOR NOTE FOUR IN THE BODY OF ANSWER 12.
THIS SAYS, THE PREVIOUS DESCRIPTION OF THE PROJECT INDICATED A 10 YEAR TERM.
THE FINANCE TERM OF THE PROJECT IS 20 YEARS.
DOES THAT MEAN THIS IS NOW A 20 YEAR PROJECT? YEAH.
AND, AND, AND BASICALLY WE HAD AN INTERNAL MIX UP ABOUT THE LENGTH OF THE TERM OF THE PROJECT.
UH, AND IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A 20 YEAR PROJECT FROM THE DATE THAT IT STARTS.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ON 12? OKAY.
SO, UM, ALRIGHT, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE QUESTIONS.
LET ME, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO NOW IS TWOFOLD WHAT I'D LIKE TO ASK THE C A C IF ANY MEMBERS, IF ANY, OF, UH, UH, PLEASE CHECK THEIR NOTES IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS THEY INTENDED TO ASK, UH, DIDN'T ASK OR ANYTHING THAT, UH, OTHER REPRESENTATIVES OF, OF BLOOM HAVE
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SAID THAT THEY WANNA FOLLOW UP ON.AND THEN I'D LIKE TO ASK BLOOM IF THEY HAVE ANY FINAL COMMENTS THEY'D LIKE TO MAKE.
SO FIRST OF ALL, UH, DONNA, I, I'M JUST GOING THIS THE WAY YOU, YOUR PICTURES ARE SHOWING UP ON THE, ON MY ZOOMIE HERE.
UH, DONNA, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA ASK? NO.
UH, UH, UM, LIZ, UH, ONE QUICK QUESTION.
I'M CURIOUS WHAT YEAR THE INCENTIVES WERE.
I'M GONNA MAKE A GUESS AND COME BACK TO YOU, LIZ.
'CAUSE IT WAS A FEW YEARS AGO.
UH, I THINK IT WAS FROM 2019, UH, BUT I WANNA CONFIRM THAT IT'S A NOT SURE.
IT USED TO BE CALLED UPON 21 57, 20 19.
LIZ, ANYTHING ELSE? UH, UH, NANCY? NOPE.
ANYTHING ELSE? UH, THE C UH, C C WOULD, UH, LIKE TO ASK OR COMMENT? NO, I, UH, I FELT THAT THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSE WAS THOROUGH.
WE HAD SOME FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS THAT I THINK WE WORKED THROUGH AND, UH, I THOUGHT TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION WAS PRODUCTIVE.
SO I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S TIME, UH, THE APPLICANT AND ITS TEAM AND BRINGING, YOU KNOW, YOU ADDITIONAL FOLKS ON.
I THINK THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL.
SO I APPRECIATE KRISTEN AND BRIAN REACHING OUT TO, UM, THE OTHER FOLKS AND TO THE C A C MEMBERS AS WELL FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, YOUR GOOD QUESTIONS AND ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, LOCAL TOWN OF GREENBURG ISSUES AND, AND PROTECTING OUR LOCAL ENVIRONMENT, OUR CHILDREN, AND OUR RESIDENTS.
SO, JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UH, CHARLIE, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU AS, AND, UH, ANYTHING? UH, WELL, I JUST, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA SAY THANKS FOR ALL THE TIME AND ATTENTION.
I KNOW THIS IS THE SECOND, YOU KNOW, TIME THAT, THAT MOST OF YOU HAVE, HAVE SAT IN THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION AND REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
I THINK THE FIRST, THE REALITY IS THIS SORT OF, UM, SORT OF FELT LIKE THE FIRST ONE SNUCK UP ON, ON US AND YOU, AND YOU KIND OF GOT THIS PROJECT WITHOUT HAVING ENOUGH INFORMATION.
AND IF WE WOULD'VE, IF WE WOULD'VE COME FORWARD WITH THIS WHOLE PACKET, IT PROBABLY WOULD'VE SAVED A LOT OF FOLKS TIME.
SO WE APPRECIATE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOUR PATIENCE IN THAT AND ALSO THE ROLE THAT THE, THAT THE COUNCIL IS PLAYING FOR THE TOWN.
UH, THIS IS IMPORTANT STUFF, RIGHT? SUSTAINABILITY IS LIKE CENTRAL TO EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT AS A, AS A SOCIETY RIGHT NOW.
AND IT'S CENTRAL TO EVERYTHING WE'RE TRYING TO DO AS A COMPANY.
SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING AND WE HAVE LOOKS LIKE FOUR ISSUES TO FOLLOW UP ON.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING THAT.
WOULD YOU PLEASE, UH, WOULD YOU MIND CHARLIE, UH, STATING THOSE JUST SO, UH, YEAH.
SO WE'RE GONNA TALK, UH, I WANNA, WE WANNA, WE WANNA TALK TO A AIR MONITORING PROFESSIONAL AND SEE IF THERE'S LIKE, IS THERE A WAY TO SET UP AN AIR MONITOR FOR CARBON DIOXIDE PROBABLY NEAR THE SCHOOL, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT CAN BE DONE IN A WAY THAT ACTUALLY WORKS AND COMES OUT WITH GOOD DATA AND IS OKAY WITH THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE SITE AND WHO LIVE NEARBY AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING.
AND SO, WE'LL I THINK, UM, UH, AARON WAS MAKING THE POINT THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE TIME TO DO THAT.
WE WANNA, UM, WORK ON SAFETY, UH, TRAINING, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE PROTOCOL FOR, FOR, UM, LTS AND HOW ARE WE GONNA KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE THERE KNOW WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
UH, THERE'S THE QUESTION ABOUT TELEMETRY, WHICH IS CAN THE, CAN WE COMMUNICATE WITH THE SYSTEM IF THE ELECTRIC GRID IS DOWN? AND THE THIRD IS WHAT IS THE DATE OF THE NYSERDA? OR THE FOURTH WAS THE, WHAT IS THE DATE OF THE NY SERTA INCENTIVE? OKAY.
CHARLES, JUST TO CLARIFY, I THINK WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MONITORING, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TWO LOCATIONS, UM, UM, THE SCHOOL AND THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY WITH RESIDENTIAL HOUSING.
AND, AND AGAIN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
I, I THINK THE ONE THING I WANNA, UM, JUST REALLY ACKNOWLEDGE IS THAT MEGAN KNOWS A LOT MORE ABOUT THIS THAN I DO.
AND I THINK THE POINT SHE WAS MAKING IS IT'S WAY MORE COMPLEX THAN IT MIGHT SEEM.
SO WE WOULD WANNA, THE LOCATIONS I WOULD ARGUE SHOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT WE SELECTED SHOULD BE SOMETHING A PROFESSIONAL SELECTS, RIGHT? BUT I THINK THAT THE, THE AREAS OF CONCERN ARE THE SCHOOL AND THE IMMEDIATE, IMMEDIATE RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
AND, AND, AND CHARLIE, I MEAN, YOU'RE QUITE RIGHT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE POPULAR, BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AND, UH, I'M LESS CONCERNED WITH THE OUTSIDE CONCENTRATION AT THE SCHOOL THAN I AM WITH THE INSIDE CONCENTRATION.
UM, I, I, I WOULD ALSO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S PRECISELY THE POINT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE, REALLY, IS THAT THE RISK FOR THAT KIND OF AN AIR POLLUTANT IS AN INDOOR RISK.
BUT, UM, SO IF THAT'S, UH, UH, IF, I THINK THAT'S THE KIND OF
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INFORMATION WE SHOULD FEED INTO A PROFESSIONAL AND SEE WHAT RECOMMENDATION THEY COME UP WITH.AND I AGREE WITH MEGAN THAT YOU'VE GOTTA SOMEHOW ADDRESS THE FACT THAT IT CAN BE A, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF C O TWO INSIDE OF SCHOOL JUST 'CAUSE YOU GOT 257 KIDS, PLUS STAFF PLUS TEACHERS THERE EVERY DAY.
AND IT'S ONLY FAIR THAT THAT'D BE, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S TOO SIMPLE, SIMPLE.
UM, MAYBE I'M SURE MEGAN'S RIGHT, THAT THAT WHAT I'M SAYING IS TOO SIMPLISTIC, BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S GOTTA BE BACKED OUT IN SOME WAY, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE MARGINAL IMPACT OF YOUR FACILITY, YOU'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT'S, WHAT'S THERE NOW.
SO WHY DON'T, WE'LL ADD THAT TO THE LIST OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK TO A PROFESSIONAL ABOUT AND LEMME JUST CHECK, RIGHT? UM, UM, WITH THE CENTRAL MONITORING.
UM, I THINK THAT IS, UH, UM, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S IT.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE? UH, I DON'T THINK SO.
THANK YOU ALL VERY, VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE ALL YOUR TIME, EVERYBODY.
REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME AND EFFORT YOU PUT IN.
IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, OR IT LOOKS LIKE I SHOULD SAY THE OTHERS ARE OFF.
UM, I'VE GOT A EIGHT 30 CUTOFF TIME THIS EVENING.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ITEMS THAT, UM, YOU WANTED ME TO WEIGH ON OR THAT YOU HAD FOR ME AT THIS STAGE.
I DID SPEAK FOR THOSE THAT WEREN'T ON EARLY.
I THINK DONNA, AND MAYBE TERRY CAUGHT A LITTLE BIT OF IT, BUT, UM, LIZ HAD SENT ME AN EMAIL AND IT'S PROBABLY GOING ON A MONTH AGO, FOLLOWING, UH, REQUESTING SOME INFORMATION AND I HAD EXPLAINED THAT I HADN'T FORGOTTEN ABOUT HER.
UM,
I'LL PUT I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT, UH, WITH REGENERON PROJECTS THAT ARE NOW COMING TO THE FOREFRONT AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO BREAK GROUND AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO SECURE, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE TREE REMOVAL PERMITS, BUILDING PERMITS, ENGINEERING PERMITS.
WE'RE SHORT STAFFED WITH ENGINEERING.
THERE'S ONLY ONE ENGINEER ON STAFF AT THE MOMENT, UM, WHICH IS TROUBLING.
UM, WE'RE HOPING THAT, UH, THEY'LL BE RESTAFFED SOON.
AND, UM, LIZ AND I WERE KIND OF CHATTING ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.
SO I'M HOPING THAT, UH, I WILL, I AM OFF NEXT WEEK, JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, BUT I'LL BE IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS OF THE YEAR.
UH, THE COMMISSIONER WILL BE OUT THE LAST TWO WEEKS.
SO WE KIND OF TRADE SPACES, IF YOU WILL, AND, UM, MAKE SURE THAT ONE OF US IS, IS USUALLY COVERING.
SO, UH, MY HOPE IS THAT THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF A LULL AND I CAN CATCH UP AND THEN GET BACK TO LIZ BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
BUT IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ELSE, I'M HAPPY TO, UM, YOU KNOW, EITHER ANSWER OR, OR SEEK TO GET BACK TO YOU GUYS.
MIKE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CONCERNS ME IS BEFORE WE MAKE ANY DECISIONS ON THIS, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO READ THE, UM, DOCUMENT THAT THEY'RE SAYING EXPLAINS IT ALL.
I DON'T, YEAH, I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? DO YOU WANNA ADJOURN THE MEETING FOR 15 MINUTES SO WE ALL CAN OPEN IT AND GLANCE THROUGH IT? OR WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO? I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
I'M TRYING TO SAY, I'M TRYING TO SAY I CAN'T DO IT FOR 15 MINUTES, MIKE, I'M SORRY.
I'VE BEEN WOR I'VE BEEN UP SINCE SIX.
I CAN'T GO READ AND, AND MAKE A CLEAR, I'M SORRY.
UM, I, I NEED, I NEED A DAY OR SOMETHING.
THE THING IS WE CAN'T MAKE, HOW DO YOU WANNA, DO YOU WANNA HA YOU WANNA CALL A SPECIAL MEETING OF THE CAC? UM, NEXT WEEK, TERRY? UH, WELL WHEN DO THEY, WE REALLY NEED TO GET BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD ON THIS.
WE DON'T HAVE A MEETING UNTIL THE MIDDLE OF JANUARY IS THE PROBLEM ON NEXT MEETING.
THE, THE, THE, THE, THE PLANNING BOARD'S NEXT MEETING DATE IS JANUARY 5TH.
UM, I KNOW THAT THEY'D APPRECIATE, AND THEY DO HAVE THIS PROJECT TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED IF THE C A C DID NOT HAVE A REPORT,
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ALTHOUGH THEY'RE ANTICIPATING ONE, BUT IF THE C A C DID NOT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE ANYTHING THE PLANNING BOARD COULD DISCUSS ON THE FIFTH.WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT I KNOW THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD APPRECIATE SOMETHING SOONER RATHER THAN LATER GIVEN THE HOLIDAYS COMING UP.
EVEN THOUGH THE MEETING'S NOT TILL THE FIFTH, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE WEEKS AWAY, UM, IT, IT COULD VERY WELL BE A, A DETAILED REPORT COMING FROM THE C A C THAT THE PLANNING BOARD'S GONNA NEED TIME TO DIGEST AND BE IN, HAVE GOOD PREPARATION TO ASK ITS QUESTIONS ON THE FIFTH.
WE, WE COULD DO TERRY, BECAUSE I, I THINK WE SHOULD GET IT TO HIM BEFORE CHRISTMAS.
SO IS THERE SOME POINT WHERE WE CAN HAVE A, LIKE A HALF HOUR MEETING JUST TO, TO FINISH UP WHAT WE'RE DOING? COULD, COULD, COULD WE MEET, COULD WE MEET TUESDAY? COULD WE MEET TUESDAY NIGHT THE 14TH? SURE.
THAT, THAT WOULD GIVE US 10 DAYS TO COME UP WITH A REPORT.
UH, I'M SURE WE CAN DO IN 10 DAYS.
IF WE MET ON TUESDAY NIGHT, THE 14TH BY THE 24TH, WE COULD GIVE A REPORT AND THAT WOULD GIVE THE PLANNING BOARD THE ENTIRE WEEK BETWEEN CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR'S PLUS THE FIRST COUPLE OF DAYS OF, OF, UH, 2022 TO, UH, TO DIGEST OUR REPORT.
WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT BE A TIME FOR THEM, AARON? IF WE, UH, IF WE, YOU GOT IT TO 'EM BEFORE CHRISTMAS AND THEY HAD THE WEEK BETWEEN CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR'S, THEN A THEN A COUPLE OF DAYS IN, UH, IN JANUARY.
I WOULD SAY, UM, IF, IF YOU THINK, IF YOU CAN GET IT TO US BY THE 21ST, DO YOU THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE ONE WEEK FROM THE MEETING DATE ON THE 14TH? JUST TODAY'S THE, I THINK SO, YES.
THE REASON WHY I ASK THAT IS WE'RE GONNA HAVE PACKAGES GOING OUT AT THAT TIME AND I, AND WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF ITEMS ON FOR JANUARY 5TH, AND I JUST WOULDN'T WANT, I WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT REPORT INTO THAT PACKAGE BECAUSE IF IT COMES OUT SOMETIME AFTER AND THEY'RE DIVING INTO THE OTHER MATERIALS IN THE PACKAGE, I DON'T WANT THEM TO LOSE SIGHT OF, YOU KNOW, THIS IMPORTANT REPORT.
SO I'M ONLY ASKING THE QUESTION IF THE ANSWER'S NO, I UNDERSTAND.
I THINK WE HAVE, WE HAVE SOME OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS ALSO THAT WE NEED TO GET BACK FROM THE APPLICANT.
WE HAD FOUR OUTSTANDING THINGS, BUT, BUT FER, AS WE TALK ABOUT THE 14TH, I'M AVAILABLE.
MARGARET IS INDICATED TO, I'M AVAILABLE 20 AVAILABLE.
ALFRED, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT A, A QUORUM THEN, SO WE'LL PLAN ON, LEMME ASK, I'M SORRY, TERRY, GO AHEAD.
UH, WE'LL PLAN ON SIX 30 ON TUESDAY THE 14TH SO THAT WE CAN HAVE READ EVERYTHING AND THAT SORT OF THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT AND GIVEN IT SOME CONSIDERATION, YOU KNOW, WITH A CLEAR HEAD IN THE MORNING, AARON, TO COORDINATE WITH THIS.
WOULD YOU THINK IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO TELL THEM THAT WE WANTED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY SAID, BUT WE ALSO WANTED TO GET THE RESPONSES TO THESE OPEN ISSUES.
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THEY COULD GIVE US ANSWERS BY THE END OF BUSINESS ON THE 13TH? I WILL ASK THEM.
UM, YOU, YOU CAN TELL THEM THE, YOU CAN TELL THEM THE SCHEDULE THAT, UH, UH, WE'VE BEEN REQUESTED TO SEND OUR REPORT ON THE 21ST, RIGHT.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A FOLLOW UP MEETING ON THE 14TH, UH, SO WE CAN THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY'VE SAID TODAY AND REFLECT ON IT.
AND, UH, WE ALSO, WHATEVER ANSWERS THEY COULD GET TO US, UM, I MEAN, UH, BY THE END OF BUSINESS ON THE 13TH, WE COULD THROW THAT INTO THE POT FOR OUR MEETING ON THE 14TH.
AND THEN WE GET, AND WE GET IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD, WE'LL GET YOU IN SOMETHING TO THE PLANNING BOARD BY THE 21ST.
LEMME JUST CHECK WITH NANCY, WHO'S GONNA DO A LOT OF THE DRAFTING.
ARE YOU OKAY, NANCY, BETWEEN THE 14TH AND THE 21ST? YEAH.
UM, LET ME JUST SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE, UM, I'M NOT IN NEXT WEEK, AS I MENTIONED, I'VE ASKED MATT IF HE'S AVAILABLE TO JUST, UM, HE'S ACTUALLY OFF ON THE 14TH AS WELL, BUT HE DID SAY, UM, HE COULD STEP IN JUST TO OPEN THE MEETING FOR THE C A C.
IF NOT, WE WILL ASK THE COMMISSIONER.
HE, HE'S AROUND NEXT WEEK, SO EITHER MATT OR GARRETT WILL OPEN THE MEETING.
AND, UM, WITH, SO WITH RESPECT TO ASKING FOR MATERIALS TO COME IN BY THE 13TH, I'M JUST GONNA ASK THAT, UH, THE COMMISSIONER BE COPIED ON THEM BECAUSE BOTH MATT AND I WILL BE OUT.
SO WE'LL ASK GARRETT TO BE COPIED ON IT SO THAT
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HE CAN FORWARD IT OUT.I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'LL BE TRAVELING, BUT I'M GONNA HAVE ACCESS TO EMAIL, SO IF I SEE IT, YOU KNOW, I'LL FORWARD IT ALONG.
BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF IT COMES IN AT FIVE AND I DON'T SEE IT TILL 10:00 PM OR THE NEXT MORNING THAT YOU GUYS GET IT THAT EVENING, BEING THAT IT'S VERY TIGHT MM-HMM.
I THINK IF IT'S IN THE C A C RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY WANT, THAT THE C A C WANTS, THE PLANNING BOARD WANTS THE APPLICANT TO DO X, Y, AND Z AND WANTS THE PLANNING BOARD TO SUPPORT THAT, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S REASONABLE.
AND TERRY, WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE WHERE YEAH, WE HAVE, YEAH.
SO I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON THAT BECAUSE YEAH, NO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY ANY OF THE QUESTIONS, THEY, IT COULD BECOME A CONDITION, A CONDITION FOR DAYS HERE BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING.
WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT A HANDFUL OF DAYS.
YEAH, I MEAN SOME, BECAUSE SOME OF THE ANSWERS THEY MAY JUST HAVE QUICKLY BY ONE PHONE CALL, BUT IF NOT THE INCENTIVES YEAH.
THEY BECOME, THEY BECOME, THEY BECOME, BECOME CONDITIONS.
AND I, AND I KNOW THAT THE PLANNING BOARD IS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THEY PUT THIS PROJECT ON HOLD BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE WORK THAT THE C A C DOES AND THEY VALUE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE REPORTS THAT COME OUTTA THIS CAC.
AL UH, IT'S REALLY NICE TO HEAR AARON.
OKAY, SO THEN I THINK WE, WE'VE GOT A PLAN TO GO FORWARD AND WE'LL ALL GET A CHANCE TO READ THIS OTHER DOCUMENT AND KIND OF THINK ABOUT OUR THOUGHTS SO THAT WHEN WE GET TOGETHER ON THE 14TH, WE CAN COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH AND WE CAN DOUBLE CHECK THINGS THAT WAS SAID, YOU KNOW, AND THINK ABOUT WHAT WAS SAID.
AND IS IT SIX 30? WE'RE GONNA DO THE SIX 30 OR WHAT TIME? SIX 30.
IS IS THE ONLY, IS THE DOCUMENT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE IN THE CHAT OR IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE TOO? YEAH, WELL THAT WAS IN THE, ACTUALLY THAT'S FROM THE DOCUMENT THEY SENT US, YOU KNOW, THE ANSWERS, THE LETTERS? YES.
UNFORTUNATELY THEY DID NOT, THEY DID NOT, UM, NUMBER THEIR PAGES.
AND WHEN I PRINTED IT OUT, IT'S ON TOP OF THE PAGE WHERE NUMBER FIVE IS THE ANSWER.
BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING YOU REFERRED TO AS THE ABSTRACT THAT WAS SENT TO US, UM, THAT WAS SENT TO US WITH THE, UM, THE ANSWERS, THE RESPONSE, THE NOVEMBER 19TH RESPONSE RESPONSE.
IT WAS A SEPARATE DOCUMENT SENT AT THE SAME TIME AS THE RESPONSE.
YES, IT WAS, IT WAS A VERY HELPFUL DOCUMENT BECAUSE IT WAS VERY EXPLICIT IN TERMS OF WHAT DIFFERENT THINGS MEANT, WHAT WENT INTO DIFFERENT CALCULATIONS.
YOU, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SEND TO ERIN A CAC C MEETING.
IT JUST CALLED SPECIAL MEETING.
AND THE AGENDA IS ONE AGENDA ITEM PLEASE.
HAS WHAT? UH, FOR THE AGENDA, MIKE, FOR THE AGENDA'S JUST ONE AGENDA ITEM, RIGHT? OKAY.
BUT
YOU'RE RIGHT TERRY, IF YOU CAN DO THAT TOMORROW, THAT'D BE GREAT.
DO THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO THAT THERE'S SUFFICIENT NOTICE, UH, TO GET IT ON THE NEED TO GET IT ON THE WEBSITE TOMORROW FOR A MEETING THAT'S GONNA BE ON TUESDAY.
DEREK, CAN YOU JUMP UP AND DOWN ON YOUR FEET? NO, BUT I CAN WALK AND I CAN DRIVE MY CAR AS LONG AS I STAY OFF THE HIGHWAY, SO THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.
I GOT MY HAIR DRIVING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT DON'T GET, DON'T GET UP AT SIX 30 OR TUESDAY.
I GET UP EVERY I GET IN, I, SORRY.
I'M SURE AT THE END OF THE YEAR YOU REALLY ARE.
EVERYBODY WITH THEIR GIFTS AND THEIR, YOU KNOW, IRATE DISTRIBUTIONS AND THEIR CON LIKE, THEY'RE CHARITABLE AND LIKE WHAT'S, BUT AT LEAST WE DON'T HAVE LIKE, EVERYTHING'S BLOWN UP, UP ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU CAN GIVE YOUR KIDS IN THE FUTURE.
BUT JESUS CHRIST, WE'RE SO BUSY, I CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE IT.
UM, BUT TOMORROW I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD DAY.
BUT DON'T TELL MY SCHEDULERS,
WE'RE GONNA GO CHRISTMAS SHOPPING.
I'M TRYING TO DECORATE MY HOUSE.
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WE BOUGHT A HOUSE IN MYSTIC, MY HUSBAND AND I, AND, UM, WE HAVE NOT, IT'S LIKE A COMPLETELY EMPTY SLATE.NOT A CUP, NOT A SPOON, NOTHING.
AND SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA START TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT BETWEEN NOW AND THE SPRING.
WE'RE AT THE VERY PEAK OF THE MYSTIC RIVER AND UM, IT'S VERY BEAUTIFUL.
WE HAD, WE WERE THERE THIS WEEKEND, UH, WE PUT LIKE A MATTRESS ON THE FLOOR AND
UM, WE WENT OUT THERE BY THE RIVER AND THERE WERE RIVER OTTERS COMING UP BY OUR, OUR DOCK.
THE LITTLE NOISES, THEY WERE LIKE STICKING THERE.
LITTLE NOISES UP FROM THE WATER AND IT WAS SO INCREDIBLE.
IT WAS LIKE, OH MY GOD, RUSS, COME LOOK.
AND THERE WAS LIKE A WHOLE FAMILY OF THEM.
I MEAN, I GUESS WHEN I GO BACK THEY'LL BE LIKE, WITH THE BUTTONS FOR THE REMOTE CONTROL AND LIKE WATCHING MY TELEVISION
THEY WERE LIKE WITH THESE LITTLE NOSES AND IT WAS SO CUTE.
LIKE, SORRY, BUT THAT, YEAH, AARON LOOKS LIKE HE'S GONNA FALL ASLEEP ON IT.
I GOTTA, RHONDA, I WANTED TO WISH EVERYONE A HAPPY AND HEALTHY HOLIDAY.