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FIRST THING[ FINAL TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, January 19, 2022 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
WE GOTTA DO DO IS SAY, GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.WELCOME TO TONIGHT'S PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
UH, WE'LL BE IN A WORK SESSION AND BE GOING TO PUBLIC HEARING A LITTLE BIT LATER.
UM, MR. SCHMIDT, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? SURE.
UH, FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IN THE MINUTES.
UH, ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? UH, YEAH, I HAVE ONE.
MINE IS, IS JUST, UM, JUST A DATA ENTRY ISSUE.
UH, PAGE SIX, THE FIRST FULL PARAGRAPH, THE THIRD LINE DOWN.
IT SAYS, ASKED IF THERE WOULD BE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT UNITS WOULD BE INSTALLED IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT.
I THINK JUST GET RID OF THE, THE FIRST THERE WOULD BE, AND IT WOULD SAY, ASKED IF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT UNITS WOULD BE INSTALLED IN CONNECTION.
THE FIRST FULL PARAGRAPH, THIRD SENTENCE DOWN.
IT'S JUST A REPETITION OF A COUPLE WORDS.
ANYTHING ELSE, TOM? THAT'S IT.
I THINK ON THE FIRST PAGE, UH, ABOUT THIS DURGA TEMPLE, UH, I THINK THERE WAS A, UH, OP SORT OF OPINION ASKED FROM THE DIFFERENT PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, AND THEY KIND OF OPINED ON, UH, THE, WHETHER, WHETHER WHAT HAD BEEN PROPOSED, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION VERSUS THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
AND I REMEMBER, I DON'T REMEMBER EVERYBODY ELSE'S, BUT I REMEMBER I SAID THE NEW BUILDING IS BETTER THAN RENOVATING EXISTING AARON.
CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT COMMENT GETS IN AARON TO THE CERTAINLY DO THAT.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS WHO, WHO MADE A SPECIFIC COMMENT, UH, ABOUT THAT, THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES? BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO, TO VOTE, VOTE ON THAT.
UH, DISCUSS THAT LATER TONIGHT ANYWAY, BUT IF YOU WANT TO IN THE MINUTES, SPEAK NOW, PLEASE.
OH, I, I, UH, UH, I DID, WAIT A MINUTE.
I'M, I'M TRYING TO THINK THAT I SAID WE SHOULD HAVE, UH, SOME SORT OF, UH, PAPER TRAIL OR CONFIRMATION THAT, UH, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, UH, UH, UH, INDICATED, UH, APPROVAL TO GO FORWARD, EVEN, YOU KNOW, EVEN AFTER THE FACT.
UH, THEY SAID THAT WHAT THEY WERE DOING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, THE BUILDING CODES.
SO THERE'S SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
I, I, I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED IN THE MINUTES.
AARON, CAN YOU CAPTURE THAT? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
SO, I RECALL MR. SIMON ASKING FOR STAFF TO CHECK IN WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WAS REPRESENTED TO THE BOARD WAS ACCURATE, CORRECT? I DID FOLLOW UP WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE, AND THEY ADVISED THAT THEY WEREN'T OUT THERE UNTIL AFTER THE DEMOLITION TOOK PLACE.
BUT THEY DID AGREE THAT BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT THEY REVIEWED, UH, AND BEING OUT IN THE FIELD, THAT THEY AGREED THAT IT WAS PROBABLY A BETTER IDEA TO TAKE DOWN THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE, UM, THEN ATTEMPT TO RENOVATE OR REBUILD WITH THE EXISTING IN PLACE.
SO I, I'D JUST LIKE OUR MINUTES TO REFLECT THAT.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE DOCUMENTED THAT, BUT I'M, UM, I WAS PREPARED TO STATE THAT AT THE DISCUSSION THIS EVENING.
BUT PUT IT, PUT IT IN THE MINUTES SINCE IT WAS DISCUSSED.
UM, ANYBODY, ANY OTHER CHANGES? OKAY.
TOM, DID YOU HAVE ONE? 'CAUSE I SAW YOU RAISED YOUR HAND EARLIER.
I THOUGHT I, I ALREADY SPOKE ABOUT MINE.
DAVID, LET ME, LET ME HANDLE THE MEETING, PLEASE.
UM, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS AMENDED.
UM, THERE WAS NOTHING, IS THERE ANYTHING IN CORRESPONDENCE, AARON? THERE WASN'T CORRECT.
EXCEPT ON RELATED TO A PROJECT, WHICH WE'LL DISCUSS LATER, I BELIEVE.
UM, SO THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS PB 2112, WHICH IS,
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UH, LICHEN.UH, AARON, UH, THIS IS A FINAL SUBDIVISION.
THAT'S, THAT'S, COULD YOU DESCRIBE THE PROJECT AND TELL US IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES FROM THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION WILL DO SO AS, AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ MENTIONED.
UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PB 21 DASH 12 LICHEN LOCATED AT 85 AND 89 HILLCREST ROAD, PO HARTSDALE IN THE R 21 FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT, UH, INVOLVING A PROJECT CONSISTING OF THE RE SUBDIVISION OF TWO LOTS INTO ONE LOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSOLIDATING THE PARCELS.
THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED ITS REQUEST FOR FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
NO CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE SUBDIVISION PLATT, SINCE THE PLANNING BOARD APPROVED THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.
A DRAFT DECISION WITH CONDITIONS HAS BEEN PREPARED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING.
THERE ARE NO SPECIAL CONDITIONS TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION BEFORE VOTING ON THE FINAL SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.
THE BOARD WILL WANT TO CONSIDER VOTING TO WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE FINAL SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO WAIVE THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO MOVED.
NOW, UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE, UH, FINAL SUBDIVISION MEMO AS WRITTEN MOTION TO ACCEPT? GO AHEAD.
MOTION TO ACCEPT THE FINAL SUBDIVISION AS WRITTEN.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I THINK CORRECT.
NEXT ONE IS R M C, UH, PB 21 DASH 25.
THAT WAS THE, AS YOU RECALL, THE CUL-DE-SAC THAT FOR THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, WHICH IS ACTUALLY IN ELMSFORD.
UM, AND WHAT DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON TONIGHT? UH, MR. SCHMIDT.
SO AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ MENTIONED, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CASE NUMBER PB 2125 R M C, LOCATED AT 59 VALLEY AVENUE, P O ELMSFORD.
IN THE OB OFFICE BUILDING DISTRICT, THE APPLICANT SEEKS PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS IN CONNECTION WITH ITS PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT A CUL-DE-SAC ROADWAY AND RELATED RETAINING WALL ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF A THREE STORY RESIDENTIAL APARTMENT BUILDING ON A NEIGHBORING PARCEL LOCATED WITHIN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD, THE PROPOSED CUL-DE-SAC WOULD SERVE AS ACCESS TO UNDER BUILDING GARAGES AS WELL AS SPACE FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO TURN AROUND.
THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE IS PROPOSED TO CONTAIN 30 UNITS AND 59 OFF STREET PARKING SPACES ALL WITHIN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD.
THE PROJECT INVOLVES REGULATED STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE, AND REGULATED TREE REMOVALS.
THE PROJECT WAS LAST DISCUSSED AS PART OF A PUBLIC HEARING ON JANUARY 5TH.
NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED SINCE THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED.
A DRAFT DECISION WITH CONDITIONS HAS BEEN PREPARED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING.
WHILE THERE ARE NO SPECIAL CONDITIONS TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, I DID WANT TO NOTE THAT STAFF ADDED INFORMATION CONCERNING THE INNER MUNICIPAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD.
WITHIN THE FINDINGS SECTION OF THE DRAFT DECISION ON PAGE THREE, THERE ARE TWO VOTES FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER TAKING THIS EVENING, ONE ON THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND THE OTHER ON THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, I WILL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? YEAH.
NOW, UM, I'VE ACCEPT A MOTION FOR THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT FOR PHARMACY.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
NEXT CASE IS, UM, THE BODY CASE, UH, 2118, WHICH IS A MULTI LOT SUBDIVISION.
AND AARON, COULD YOU GO THROUGH THE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT WE NEED TO VOTE ON TONIGHT, PLEASE? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
SO, AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ MENTIONED, THE NEXT ITEM IS CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 18 BODY SUBDIVISION, LOCATED AT 14 PAYNE
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STREET AND 1 75 WINTHROP AVENUE PO ELMSFORD.IN THE R FIVE ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT SEEKS PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION OF TWO EXISTING LOTS INTO NINE LOTS FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTING NINE NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH RELATED IMPROVEMENTS.
THIS PROJECT WAS LAST DISCUSSED AS PART OF A PUBLIC HEARING ON JANUARY 5TH.
EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE WAS RECEIVED FROM A NEIGHBOR TO THE PROJECT SITE, WHICH WAS SUBSEQUENTLY RESPONDED TO BY THE APPLICANT.
NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED DURING THE OPEN WRITTEN RECORD PERIOD.
A DRAFT DECISION WITH CONDITIONS HAS BEEN PREPARED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING.
I CALL TO YOUR ATTENTION CONDITIONS 4.6 THROUGH 4.8 ON PAGE SIX OF THE DRAFT DECISION.
AND THOSE RELATE, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THEM VERY QUICKLY.
UH, 4.6 TALKS ABOUT THE USE OF PER PERMEABLE PAVEMENT FOR THE DRIVEWAYS TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON NORTH LAWN AVENUE AND PAYNE STREET.
THEY'VE SHOWN THAT TO TAKE PLACE ON THEIR, UH, THROUGH THE PLAN SET, BUT, AND WE CALLED OUT THE PLAN SET, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE NOTE OF THAT AS A SPECIAL CONDITION.
4.7 SPEAKS TO KEEPING THE SITE TRIANGLES OFF THE DRIVEWAY ON PAYNE STREET, UH, CLEAR OF ANY VISUAL OBSTRUCTIONS THAT WAS DISCUSSED AS PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING REQUESTED BY SERGEANT NICK BREXTON AND AGREED TO BY THE APPLICANT.
THERE'S A NOTE ON THE DRAWINGS AS WELL.
UH, AND THEN 4.8 SPEAKS TO THE APPLICANT'S AGREEMENT TO PURCHASE AND INSTALL A PLAQUE ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY TO COMMEMORATE, UH, MS. KAY LINDEN, WHO, UM, LIVED AT THE 1 75 WINTHROP AVENUE PROPERTY AND IS OF LOCAL HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.
SO, UM, THEY HAD REVIEWED THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD HAD MET WITH THE APPLICANT, AND THE APPLICANT AGREED TO THAT.
SO THAT IS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL AS WELL.
I BELIEVE MR. HAY HAS A QUESTION.
THE HARD COPY THAT I GOT, WHICH IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, DOES NOT HAVE A 4.8.
I KNOW SOMETHING WAS SENT AS A SEPARATE MEMO.
WAS THAT THEN ADDED IN OR WAS
SO 4.8 WAS ADDED AS A SEPARATE EMAIL, UH, FOLLOWING THE PACKAGES GOING OUT.
SO IF YOU DIDN'T SEE THAT, I CAN RECITE IT FOR THE RECORD IF, IF YOU WOULD.
SEE, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
SO 4.8 READS, THE APPLICANT MUST PURCHASE AND INSTALL A PLAQUE ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IN THE VICINITY OF WINTHROP AVENUE AND PAYNE STREET COMMEMORATING MS. KAY LINDEN AND EXPLAINING HER ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE.
LANGUAGE FOR THE PLAQUE SHALL BE REVIEWED BY THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD AND BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
THE PLAQUE MUST BE ERECTED TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE TOWN PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE FIRST CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS SUBDIVISION.
SO WHAT VOTE DO WE HAVE TONIGHT ON, ON THIS? AARON? I HAVE A QUESTION.
FIRST QUIT FIRST AND THEN LET'S GET THE WALTER FIRST.
UH, DO YOU ASKED WALTER FIRST, CORRECT? NO, NO, NO, THAT'S FINE.
UH, THE QUESTION IS THAT WHO IS GONNA PAY FOR IT? SO, SO IT IS, IT IS A APPLICANT'S GONNA PURCHASE AND INSTALL YES.
THAT'S HOW IT STATES IN THE, IN THE CONDITION.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IN, IN REFERENCE TO THE PLAQUE, IT INDICATES THAT IT WOULD BE INSTALLED, UH, UH, PRIOR TO THE FIRST HOUSE, UH, UH, BEING READY.
NOW, WHERE IS THAT WOULD MEAN THE H THE HOUSE THAT SHE LIVES IN IS THE FIRST HOUSE THAT BUILT, IF IT'S NOT THE FIRST HOUSE THAT'S BEING BUILT AND SAY, STARTS THE CONTRACTOR STARTING AT ONE END AND COMING AROUND.
SO BY A HOUSE THAT'S FINISHED WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE OCCUPIED BECAUSE WHERE THE PLAQUE IS BEING, IS BEING INSTALLED, THAT HOUSE IS NOT FINISHED.
SO I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AND IT, IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THE, THE NEW HOUSE OR HOMES THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED, UH, IN THE VICINITY OF 1 75 WINTHROP WILL BE THE FIRST HOMES COMPLETED.
WE HAVE NO, WE, THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO TELL.
I JUST DIDN'T WANT IT TO, UM, SIT AROUND TO THE POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT
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COULD BE A NUMBER OF YEARS BEFORE WE GET TO THE FINAL HOUSE OR TO THE HOUSE.I THINK IT SHOULD GO ON THAT PRO ON THE PROPERTY WHERE SHE LIVED.
BECAUSE SHE LIVED IN THE CAPE.
AND WHEN THEY'RE EXCAVATING, IT CAN BE REMOVED DURING THE CONSTRUCTION, BUT IT SHOULD BE PERMANENT THERE.
THAT'S WHERE I TH THAT'S HOW I THINK THE CONDITION SHOULD READ.
AND IT, AND IT MOST CERTAINLY WILL.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAD INDICATED THAT IT'LL BE IN THE VICINITY OF WINTHROP AVE AND PAYNE STREET ON THAT CORNER, WHICH IS WHERE THE 1 75 WINTHROP HOUSE IS.
BUT THERE'S NO REASON TO WAIT TO PUT IT UP.
I MEAN, IF THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY, IF THEY'RE NOT TEARING DOWN THE CAPE FIRST AND DOING SOMETHING ELSE, PUT THE THING IN THE FRONT YARD, MOVE IT AFTERWARDS.
IT'S NOT DIFFICULT TO MOVE A, A PACK LIKE THAT.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU'D LIKE IT INSTALLED SOONER THAN HOW WE WROTE IT UP? YEAH.
I DON'T WANNA WAIT FOR CONSTRUCTION.
I'M, I'M AGREEABLE TO ANYTHING THE BOARD WISHES.
THAT'S WHAT I, I WOULD PREFER.
BUT I THINK, UH, HUGH, WHAT'S, UH, WHAT'S AARON? UH, SORT OF, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO SAY THE MILESTONE BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY CAN, UH, I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO SAY BEFORE THEY START CONSTRUCTION, BEFORE THEY, UH, GET THE FIRST HOUSE, C E O OR BEFORE THE PERMIT IS ISSUED, BE
I WOULD DO, I WOULD DO IT, DO IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
I MEAN, I, I WOULD DO IT WITHIN, YOU KNOW, BLANK MONTHS OF THIS APPROVAL.
I CAN'T, I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU CAN'T FIND A PLACE IN THAT CORNER THAT WON'T, ISN'T THERE A TREE OR SOMETHING THERE ON THAT, THAT CO CORNER ANYWAY THAT ISN'T GOING TO BE DISTURBED OR A CORNER OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE, THAT ISN'T GONNA BE DISTURBED WHERE THAT PLAT PLA COULD GO? I WOULD THINK THERE IS.
I THINK THERE'LL BE A SUITABLE LOCATION.
UH, I DON'T RECALL OFFHAND, BUT WHAT WE COULD DO IS STATE, UM, PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE FIRST BUILDING PERMIT.
I GOT, I, I AGREE TO SUGGESTION.
AND THEN I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION BEFORE I FINISH.
UH, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, THE LEGEND AND, AND THEY, THEY GIVE, IT SHOWS THE, UH, REQUIRED, UH, AND EXISTING AND PROPOSED, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE, UH OH, OKAY.
ALL OF THE LOTS, UH, E EXCEEDS 5,000.
NOW THE OTHER ONE, IF WE LOOK AT LOT NINE IN, IN TERMS OF BOTH SIDES, HAVE TO BE 18.
IS THAT, DOES THAT MEAN YOU NEED A VARIANCE? SEE, LET ME, UH, LET ME TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
SO, MR. SIMON, CAN YOU JUST TELL ME WHICH DRAWING YOU'RE LOOKING AT? IT'S C TWO.
TALKING ABOUT THE NORTHERNMOST.
THAT ONE PROPERTY, THAT ODD-SHAPED PROPERTY, RIGHT? RIGHT.
IT SAYS WITH THE GARAGES THE MINIMUM OF BOTH SIDES.
WHAT IT, OKAY, SO NOW LET ME REFER TO THE DRAWING.
JUST BEAR WITH ME FOR A MOMENT.
SO JANELLE, YOU WANT TO BE HOST OR RATHER THAN CO-HOST? YEAH, I HAVE TO BE HOST IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS CHANGE ON.
MAY I JUMP IN HERE? UH, MR. KHANI, JUST GIMME ONE MOMENT.
MR. KHANI IS WITH HUDSON ENGINEERING AND HUDSON ENGINEERING.
UH, DAVID YOUNG, WHO'S REPRESENTED, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE PROJECT IS WITH HUDSON.
YEAH, UM, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ON THAT POINT.
IT, THAT THAT LOT DOES HAVE 18.1 SETBACKS.
IT HAS 10 FEET ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND 8.12, UM, THE LOT TOO.
SO I JUST CONFIRMED THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL LOT ON THE SAME SHEET, MR. SIMON AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, AND YOU GO UP TO THE TOP OF THE PLAN, YOU'LL SEE
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THE SETBACKS SAYS 10 FEET ON THE NORTHERLY SIDE AND 8.1 ON THE SOUTHERLY SIDE.SO THAT'S THE, IS WE CAN HAVE THE CHART UPDATED.
AND THAT'D BE A REQUIREMENT OF THE BOARD.
THANK YOU, MRS. YEAH, I, I'M BACK ON THE PLAQUE 'CAUSE I RAISED MY HAND EARLIER, BUT NOBODY SAW IT.
UM, I WAS WONDERING IF MAYBE WE COULD INSTALL THE PLAQUE AT GROUNDBREAKING.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT WILL BE BEING THAT, UH, THE FIRST, AND IT COULD BE A SYMBOLIC THING AT, AT THAT POINT.
SO WHEN THEY BREAK AROUND, THEY INSTALL THE PLAQUE AND IT'S DONE THEN.
SO WE WILL, WE CAN, SORRY TO GO BACKWARDS,
UM, I THINK WE WANNA HAVE, SO DO YOU WANT ME TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE TO, JUST TO STATE AT GROUNDBREAKING? OKAY.
IS, IS THAT THE WISH OF THE BOARD? ENTIRE BOARD? I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE THEM A SORT OF LIKE, SAY WITHIN 60 DAYS OR 30 DAYS OF IT.
BECAUSE EXACT DATE OF GROUNDBREAKING IS KIND OF, UH, I DON'T KNOW.
SO WHY DON'T YOU PUT GROUNDBREAKING OR 60 DAYS, WHICHEVER COMES FIRST.
AND THIS IS RATHER THAN PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE FIRST BUILDING PERMIT? YES.
WE READY TO VOTE ON THIS? WHAT, WHAT VOTES DO WE NEED TO TAKE ON THIS NOW? SO THERE, THERE, UH, THE BOARD WOULD JUST CONSIDER ONE VOTE, AND THAT'S ON THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION WITH THE CHANGES WE JUST DISCUSSED? SO, MOVED.
CARRIE, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, ALTHOUGH A COMPONENT OF THE PROJECT ITSELF, WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED UNTIL THE FINAL SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE NOT VOTING ON THAT THIS EVENING.
I'M TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF THE VOTE.
I DID WANT TO, TO MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE WE VOTED, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
IS THAT, UH, IT, THIS, UH, IS IN REFERENCE TO THE LETTER WE GOT ABOUT PARKING.
UH, WE DID TAKE THAT INTO, INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT WE MANDATED IS ABOVE CODE THAT, UH, WE HAVE EVERY HOUSE HAVE AN EXTRA PARKING SPACE, PARKING.
SO WE DID NOT IGNORE THE CONCERN OF THE RESIDENTS BY, AND WE DID REQUIRE THAT EXTRA PARKING SPACE.
SO THANK, THANK YOU MR. SIMON.
IN FACT, UH, HUDSON ENGINEERING HAD ALSO RESPONDED TO, TO THAT, THAT CORRESPONDENCE.
THAT WAS IN OUR PACKET AS WELL.
BUT THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING IT.
UM, ARE, WE'RE GONNA GO INTO PUBLIC HE HEARING NOW, NOW, IS THAT WHAT YOU WANNA DO? UH, AARON? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO, BARBARA, ARE YOU READY? WHERE IS SHE? SHE'S GOING UP, SHE'S HOLDING UP TWO FINGERS OR, I'M GOOD.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING.
WELCOME TO THOSE, UH, WHO'VE JUST JOINED US FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, WE HAVE ONE CASE ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.
UM, MR. MANN, I THINK YOU SHOULD TAKE THE ROLL CALL AGAIN SINCE WE'RE NOW IN PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE.
UM, DO YOU, SO WE'RE NOW DOING PB 1933, WHICH IS A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPLICATION FOR BRODSKY.
UH, MR. SCHMIDT, COULD YOU DESCRIBE WHAT, UH, WE ARE LOOKING AT AND WHAT DECISIONS THE BOARD WILL BE MAKING ON THIS PROJECT? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
SO, AS CHAIR PERSIAN SCHWARTZ MENTIONED, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING IS ON CASE NUMBER PB 1933,
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BRODSKY SUBDIVISION, LOCATED AT 2121 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, P O WHITE PLAINS IN THE R 21 FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT.THE APPLICANTS SEEK PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION OF ONE EXISTING LOT, APPROXIMATELY 87,226 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE INTO TWO LOTS FOR THE PURPOSE OF RESOLVING THE ISSUE OF MORE THAN ONE DWELLING OR PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE ON A SINGLE LOT.
THERE IS NO CONSTRUCTION OR SITE DISTURBANCE PROPOSED AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
THE PROJECT WAS LAST DISCUSSED BY THE PLANNING BOARD ON OCTOBER 21ST, AT WHICH TIME THE BOARD ADOPTED A NEGATIVE DECLARATION UNDER SEEKER AND ISSUED A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS ON THE AREA OF VARIANCES REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROPOSAL ON DECEMBER 16TH, 2021.
THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS GRANTED THE FOUR REQUIRED AREA VARIANCES.
THE APPLICANTS ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
SO I TURN IT OVER TO THE BROAD SKIS.
WE JUST WANT TO GET THIS LEGAL.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THIS HOUSE UP TO CODE.
IT'S OUR GARAGE IN THE BACK THAT HAS AN APARTMENT OVER THAT, THAT WAS RENTED FOR 50 YEARS AND IT HASN'T BEEN RENTED NOW BECAUSE IT'S NOT UP TO CODE.
SO WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE THE, UH, PERMITS TO GET IT UP TO CODE.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WE'RE HERE.
AND JUST SO EVERYONE SEES, I JUST BROUGHT UP, I'M SORRY, MR. SCHWARTZ, I JUST DEAD.
I JUST BROUGHT UP THE PLAN JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
I CAN QUICKLY JUST POINT OUT WHAT I COLORIZED HERE.
SO THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE, UM, FAIRLY LARGE SITE.
AND THIS IS THE EXISTING MAIN HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH, WHICH DATES WAY BACK AND IS ON THE REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
AND THEN THE GARAGE WITH THE LIVING QUARTERS ABOVE IS RIGHT HERE.
THERE'S AN INGROUND POOL KIND OF ADJACENT TO IT.
THERE'S ONE DRIVEWAY THAT GOES IN AND LOOPS AROUND, SERVES BOTH THE GARAGE AND THE MAIN HOUSE.
UM, AND THE, AND THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING THIS RED LINE TO SUBDIVIDE IT INTO ONE LOT HERE AND ONE LOT HERE, SO THAT THE TWO STRUCTURES ARE, ARE ON TWO SEPARATE LOTS.
THERE'S A JAG TO THE LINE BECAUSE THE INTENT WAS TO KEEP THE POOL, THE INGROUND POOL, AND ALSO HAVE IT MEET THE SETBACKS AND NOT REQUIRE A VARIANCE.
SO THE VARIANCES THAT WERE REQUIRED WERE IN CONNECTION WITH THIS SHARED DRIVEWAY.
WHAT WILL FUNCTION AS A SHARED DRIVEWAY? WHAT HAS FUNCTIONED AS A SHARED DRIVEWAY AND WHAT WILL CONTINUE TO, UM, CLEARLY THERE'S NO DRIVEWAY TO, TO DIRECTLY TO THIS HOME HERE.
AND THE THOUGHT WAS THAT SAWMILL RIVER ROAD BEING A HIGHLY TRAFFICKED COMMERCIAL ROADWAY, UM, THERE'S REALLY NO NEED FOR AN ADDITIONAL CURB CUT.
AND ULTIMATELY, THE VARIANCES, AS I MENTIONED, WERE APPROVED BY THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
SO AGAIN, NO SITE DISTURBANCE.
THERE ARE SOME VIOLATIONS THAT THEY HAVE TO CLEAN UP IN CONNECTION.
AND, UM, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, A VOTE, THE ONLY THING WOULD BE THAT IF THE BOARD DECIDES TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, TO DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE A DECISION FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
THAT'S ALL THE, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, AND THEN I'LL, I'LL ASK THE BOARD IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SHARED DR.
DRIVEWAY, WHO'S GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE DRIVEWAY, IS THEY'RE GONNA, I KNOW RIGHT NOW IT'S THE SAME OWNERSHIP, BUT LET'S SAY THE OWNERSHIP GETS SPLIT.
HOW, HOW WOULD THE MAINTENANCE OF THE DRIVEWAY BE HANDLED? IT WOULD BE THE MAIN HOUSE, THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE MAIN HOUSE, OF THE FRONT HOUSE TO TAKE CARE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
AND THAT'LL BE IN THE DEED? DEED, UH, WOULD BE IN THE DEEDED ON THE SEPARATE PROPERTY.
OH, IF WE EVER COULD SELL THAT SEPARATE PROPERTY ABSOLUTELY.
WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING DOING THAT.
WE WERE NEVER GONNA SELL THAT, I DON'T THINK.
BUT IF WE WERE YES, YOU COULD.
IT COULD BE WRITTEN INTO THE DEEDED THAT WE WERE TAKING CARE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
WELL, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PEOPLE BUYING IT.
IF THAT HAPPENED, THAT WOULD BE THEIR, ANYWAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE NO.
HOW ABOUT THE PUBLIC? ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC? DO WE HAVE ANYBODY, AARON, THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS? YES.
YEAH, WE JUST HAVE MR. BOWDEN.
HEY, MR. BODEN, DO YOU NEED SMALL WORLD? UH, VERY GOOD FRIEND OF MY WIFE'S, UH, RENTED
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THAT APARTMENT SOME YEARS AGO AND WAS VERY PLEASED WITH IT.AND SO I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT FOR PERSONAL REASON.
I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER WHO IT WAS, BUT THEY WERE VERY PLEASED TO BE THERE.
UM, I'D LIKE TO THEN ENTERTAIN THAT'S IT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
YEAH, THERE WOULD NO ONE ELSE THAT SIGNED UP.
UM, I'D LIKE TO, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN TO WHEN AARON STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND JANUARY 26TH.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO DO THAT? I'LL MOVE.
AND I'D ALSO LIKE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE A, UH, RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO, TO DO THAT PLEASE? SO, MOVE.
UH, I NEED A MOTION TO CLOSE TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING.
CAN I HAVE THAT PLEASE? MOTION TO CLOSE.
ALL OPPOSED? BARBARA'S OPPOSED.
SHE DOESN'T WANNA LEAVE US SO QUICKLY.
WE'RE GONNA GO BACK INTO NIGHT, BARBARA.
SO, UM, MI, MS. BRODSKY AND MS. BRODSKY, THANK YOU.
UM, WE'RE GONNA DRAFT THE DECISION AND IN TWO WEEKS THE BOARD WILL VOTE ON THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS KIND OF WHAT'S NEXT IN YOUR PROCESS.
I HOPE YOU MEETING TO US ON THE 26TH.
UM, THE 26TH IS JUST A STANDING DATE WHERE WE, THE BOARD WILL NOT ACCEPT ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS BEYOND THAT.
THE NEXT MEETING DATE IS FEBRUARY 2ND.
AND YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO ATTEND, BUT WE'LL BE IN TOUCH.
CAN I JUST HAVE BOTH OF THEIR NAMES? I HAVE MISS PAIGE BRODSKY, AND BRO, I'M GO BY WILLIE.
MY FIRST NAME IS JULIANNE, IF NECESSARY.
OKAY, LET'S GO BACK INTO, UH, WORK SESSION NOW, UM, WITH, UH, CASE PB 20 DASH 12 DURGA TEMPLE.
WE DISCUSSED THIS BRIEFLY AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT UH, NOT EVERYONE HAD HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE DOCUMENTS, I DON'T THINK.
UH, HOPEFULLY BY NOW EVERYBODY HAS, UM, THANK YOU.
AS I BELIEVE YOU SAID IT WAS 20 DASH 12, IT'S 20 DASH 19.
AS YOU RECALL, THIS WAS A, AN APPLICATION THAT WE HAD APPROVED, UH, FOR, UH, AND IT WAS THE EXISTING, UH, AN EXISTING STRUCTURE.
AND AS THINGS WENT ALONG, IT TURNED OUT THAT THE STRUCTURE, UH, WAS, UH, UNSAFE AND IT GOT TORN DOWN.
AND WE WENT THROUGH ALL OF THAT IN THE LAST MEETING A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEY WANNA BUILD A NEW STRUCTURE WITH THE SAME FOOTPRINT.
DO YOU WANNA GO INTO ANY MORE DETAILS WITH THAT MR. SCHMIDT, BEFORE WE GO IN AND THEN DISCUSS WHAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS TONIGHT AND WHAT WE, WE NEED TO AGREE TO TONIGHT OR VOTE ON TONIGHT? YEAH, IF I MAY, JUST, JUST VERY BRIEFLY, I JUST WANTED TO INDICATE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A SITE PLAN EXEMPTION RELATED TO MODIFICATIONS TO THE PROJECT PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ MENTIONED.
THAT WAS ON DECEMBER 3RD, 2020.
AND, AND THE APPROVAL IN CONNECTION WITH THAT PROJECT WAS AN AMENDED SITE PLAN INVOLVING THE RENOVATION AND CONVERSION OF AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE INTO A HOUSE OF WORSHIP.
UM, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ MENTIONED, WAS LAST DISCUSSED ON JANUARY 5TH.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING TO, UM, FURTHER DISCUSS THIS ANSWER, ANY QUESTIONS.
AND I JUST WANTED TO LASTLY NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO BE APPEARING BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS TOMORROW EVENING IN CONNECTION WITH AN AREA VARIANCE REQUIRED.
UM, AND AFTER THE DISCUSSION, IF THE BOARD WOULD CONSIDER ISSUING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS SO STAFF CAN TRANSMIT THAT FOR AHEAD OF TOMORROW EVENING'S MEETING.
PREVIOUSLY WE HAD, UH, WHEN IT WAS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE, SENT A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE, THAT SAME VARIANCE TO THE ZONING
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BOARD.THE REASON IT HAS TO BE DONE, WE HAVE TO MAKE ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION, IS THAT THIS IS A NEW STRUCTURE AND THEREFORE REQUIRES A, A NEW CONSIDERATION FROM THE ZONING BOARD.
UM, I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE MOTIONS.
UM, MI MICHAEL, I KNOW THE LAST TIME YOU HADN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO READ IT.
HAVE YOU READ THROUGH THINGS AND ARE YOU COMFORTABLE NOW? IS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY YOU WANNA ASK? NO, I'M FINE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? MR. SIMON? UH, THEN TOM, I GOT YOU TWO, UH, EARLIER, UH, WHEN WE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE MINUTES, UH, I MADE REFERENCE TO, UM, THE REVIEW BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND, UH, AND, UH, DEPUTY SMITH SAID, UH, HE'LL MAKE A STATEMENT TO, TO PUT THAT IN THE RECORD.
SO I WONDER IF YOU COULD DO THAT NOW IN TERMS OF YOUR REACTION WITH, UH, YOUR RE UH, INTERACTION WITH THE BUILDING DEPART.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP, MR. SIMON.
SO, UM, AT YOUR REQUEST AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU HAD ASKED ME TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE JUST TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING FROM THEM IF THEY HAD, UM, APPROVED OR, OR AGREED WITH THE APPLICANT'S CONTRACTOR IN TERMS OF THE CONDITION OF THE STRUCTURE.
AND I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE WHILE THE STRUCTURE WAS DOWN BEFORE THEY CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT BASED ON FURTHER INSPECTION REVIEW AND DISCUSSION, THEY DID AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT'S CONTRACTOR THAT IT WAS LIKELY A BETTER DECISION TO DEMOLISH AND REBUILD UP FROM THE EXISTING FOUNDATION RATHER THAN TRY TO REPURPOSE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE DUE TO ITS DETERIORATED CONDITION.
MR. HAY, YOU HAD A COMMENT? MY COMMENT WAS THAT EVEN THOUGH THE PROCESS SEEMED TO BE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE UNCONVENTIONAL OR A LITTLE FLAWED, THE OUTCOME I THINK IS BETTER FOR EVERYONE.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A ST STURDIER STRUCTURE.
IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT WAS PROPOSED EXCEPT FOR A SLIGHT HEIGHT DIFFERENCE.
SO I THINK, AND IT'S GONNA LAST LONGER AND BE BETTER FOR EVERYONE WHO USES IT.
NO IMPACT, UH, NO CHANGE IN IMPACT TO ANYONE AROUND IT.
SO I THINK IT'S GOOD ALL AROUND IS ALL I WANTED TO SAY.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A COMMENT? I THINK I, I AGREE WITH TOM, CORRECT? GO AHEAD.
I AGREE WITH TOM THAT, UH, THE FINAL OUTCOME IS BETTER.
UH, AND PERMANENT NEW BUILDING IS DEFINITELY BETTER THAN THE INNOVATION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR I HAVE, I WANT TO JUST EXPLAIN THE, THE SITE PLAN WAIVER THING IN A SECOND.
THE REASON GENERALLY A SITE PLAN WAIVER DOESN'T EVEN COME TO US.
A SITE PLAN WAIVER IS REALLY A DETERMINATION BY THREE PEOPLE.
IT'S A BUILDING INSPECTOR, UH, THE TOWN ENGINEER AND OUR PLANNING COMMISSIONER TOGETHER, WHO JOINTLY JUST LOOK AT A PROJECT AND DECIDE IT REALLY, THAT WHATEVER THEY THEY'RE DOING DOES NOT HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE PROPERTY.
AND IT REQUIRES THEM THEN TO, TO HAVE WRITTEN FINDINGS THAT THAT IS THE CASE.
IN WHICH CASE THERE CAN BE A WAIVER.
IT'S USED REALLY ONLY IN MINOR PROJECTS, NOT ON A MAJOR PROJECT.
SO IN THIS CASE WHERE THE FOOTPRINT WAS THE SAME AND THE DISTURBANCE IS THE SAME, UM, THEY DECIDED THAT THEY BELIEVED IT SHOULD BE A WAIVER.
THEY KNEW IT HAD TO COME TO US ANYWAY FOR RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO THEY GAVE US THE COURTESY OF ASKING US.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE FINE WITH THE WAIVER THAT, THAT WE SUPPORT SUPPORT THE WAIVER IN THIS CASE.
CAN I HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? SECOND.
OKAY, THEN CAN I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE VARIANCE? OKAY.
WHETHER WE WANNA MAKE A POSITIVE, NEUTRAL OR NEGATIVE VARIANCE TO THE ZONING BOARD.
I MAKE A, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MAKE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE WE MADE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE AND THERE IS JUST A MINOR CHANGE.
I DON'T THINK THAT ARISE TO A LEVEL OF CHANGE IN OUR RECOMMENDATION.
ALL OPPOSED? AARON? AARON HAS A STAND UP.
AARON, DO YOU HAVE OH, PLEASE TAKE YOUR VOTE AND THEN I CAN, UH, I'LL OPPOSE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO INDICATE THAT, UH, STAFF WILL UTILIZE, UH, THE SAME FINDINGS THAT WERE MADE IN THE PRIOR RECOMMENDATION
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TO THE ZONING BOARD IN THIS UPDATED RECOMMENDATION.SO WE WILL ABSOLUTELY DO THAT.
UM, APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT COMING BACK BEFORE THE BOARD.
I WANNA CLARIFY THE RECORD AND JUST REFER TO IT AS A SITE PLAN EXEMPTION.
THAT'S HOW IT'S REFERRED TO IN, I'M SORRY, SITE PLAN EXEMPTION.
COULD YOU DO ME A FAVOR THOUGH, AARON JUST REQUEST A COPY OF THE SPECIFIC, THE FINDINGS SPECIFIC TO DURGA TEMPLE ON THE EXEMPTION.
SO WE HAVE IT FOR OUR RECORDS FROM THE COMBINATION OF THE, THE BILLY INSPECTOR, THE ENGINEER, AND THAT'S JUST A SHORT THING AS TO WHY THEY MADE THAT FINDING.
I DON'T WANNA FORM LETTER, I WANT SPECIFIC FI FINDING SPECIFIC TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
SO WE'LL JUST ASK MATT TO PICK THAT UP IN THE MINUTES AND THEN WE WILL PASS THAT ALONG TO THE COMMISSIONER AND THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AND THE TOWN ENGINEER.
I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IN THE FINDINGS, UH, YOU INCLUDE MY LAST STATEMENT THAT IT IS, UH, WE GET THE FACT THAT WE GAVE A POSITIVE LAST TIME.
IT'S A MINOR CHANGE SO WE, YOU KNOW, THE RATIONALE FOR ANOTHER POSITIVE, UH, RECOMMENDATION.
ALRIGHTY, WE'RE DONE WITH THAT ONE.
THANK YOU KATE, MS. ROBERTS, HAVE A GOOD EVENING.
OKAY, UM, THE NEXT CASE IS CASE PB 21, 22 0 1 REESE BEAVER HILL ROAD, UM, FOR PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION.
DESCRIBE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
OKAY, WELL, LET ME, LET ME DO MY BEST AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TURN IT OVER TO, UM, MR. GRIMALDI.
BUT AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ MENTIONED, OUR FIRST CASE OF 2022, UH, PB 22 DASH ZERO ONE REESE, UH, FOR PROPERTY LOCATED SOUTH OF BEAVER HILL ROAD, PO ELMSFORD IN THE R FIVE ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT IS BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD THIS EVENING AS PART OF A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE TO DISCUSS A POTENTIAL FUTURE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPLICATION INVOLVING THE PROPOSED RE SUBDIVISION OF 10 EXISTING TAX LOTS, TAX LOT.
AND I CAN PUT UP A, A GRAPHIC AS I'M SPEAKING TO THIS.
JUST BEAR WITH ME FOR ONE MOMENT.
CAN EVERYONE SEE THE SCREEN? BLOW IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
THAT A LITTLE BETTER? A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH.
SO AS I MENTIONED, 10 EXISTING TAX LOTS.
SO YOU HAVE THIS 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.
AND THEN THIS, WHICH IS IN YELLOW AND GREEN IS ACTUALLY CURRENTLY ONE EXISTING TAX LOT, UM, HAD BEEN REFERRED TO AS A PAPER STREET PREVIOUSLY.
UM, IT WAS TAKEN OVER BY THE TOWN.
I WILL LET MR. GRIMALDI SPEAK TO THAT.
UM, TAX LOT, 7.190 DASH 68 DASH THREE, WHICH IS COLLECTIVELY THE YELLOW AND THE GREEN, UM, IS AN UN UH, AN UNDEVELOPED PARCEL CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY 57 FEET IN WIDTH AND 500 FEET IN LENGTH SITUATED TO THE REAR OF THE DEVELOPED LOTS KNOWN AS 32, 34, 36, 38, 40, 42, 44, 48, AND 50 BEAVER HILL ROAD.
THE LOT THE SUBJECT, A LOT IN YELLOW AND GREEN, UH, HAD BEEN FORECLOSED ON BY THE TOWN IN THE 1950S.
IT IS NOTED THAT THIS PARTICULAR UNDEVELOPED PARCEL PRESENTLY CONTAINS MANY ENCROACHMENTS, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS PLAN FROM SAID BEAVER HILL ROAD PROPERTIES.
IF A FORMAL APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED, THE APPLICANTS WOULD SEEK TO RE SUBDIVIDE THE SUBJECT LOTS IN ORDER TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL LAND AREA TO EACH OF THE BEAVER HILL ROAD PROPERTIES, THUS REDUCING THE OVERALL SIZE OF THE UNDEVELOPED PARCEL.
SO THE WAY I'VE COLORIZED THIS IS THAT THE GREEN WILL REMAIN IF THE APPLICANT GOES FORWARD WITH A FORMAL APPLICATION.
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WERE APPROVED AS PROPOSED, THE GREEN WOULD REMAIN TOWN OWNED.THE YELLOW WOULD PORTIONS, SMALL PORTIONS OF THE YELLOW WOULD, UM, BE MERGED INTO THE OVERALL DEVELOPED LOTS.
SO, AS AN EXAMPLE, I PUT THE RED AROUND ONE LOT AND IF APPROVED AS PROPOSED, THIS LOT WOULD THEN EXTEND BEYOND ITS CURRENT REAR PROPERTY LINE DOWN TO THIS POINT, WHICH IS ROUGHLY THE CENTER POINT OF THE UNDEVELOPED PARCEL AND THEN BACK OUT.
I JUST SHOWED ONE EXAMPLE, THIS ONE IN THE CORNER WOULD PICK UP THIS SMALL SQUARE PIECE.
UM, SO THAT'S ALL I REALLY WANTED TO SHARE ON THIS, UH, POTENTIAL FUTURE PROJECT.
I KNOW THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE POTENTIAL FUTURE PROJECT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD.
AARON, I HAVE ONE QUESTION BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT.
UM, AND THEN DAVE, I'LL I'LL GET TO YOU IN A SECOND.
QUESTION I HAVE IS ADDING THAT LITTLE STRIP OF PROPERTY, DOES THAT GIVE ANY OF THEM ENOUGH LAND TO SUBDIVIDE THEIR PROPERTY? STAFF DID RESEARCH THAT AS PART OF PRELIMINARY, UH, REVIEWS AND DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT.
I JUST WANTED TO ALERT ALL BOARD MEMBERS AS WELL THAT THIS, UH, WAS, THIS IS AN AGREEMENT AS A PART OF A NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT.
THERE HAD BEEN A ACTION BOARD IN THE SUPREME COURT AFTER INITIALLY THE TOWN HAD SOLD OFF THE PROPERTY AND, UM, A GENTLEMAN WAS GOING, WAS SEEKING TO DEVELOP THE, UH, THERE WAS FURTHER DISCUSSION AMONGST, UH, THE VARIOUS NEIGHBORS THERE.
AND THE SOLUTION THAT SEEMED TO BENEFIT EVERYONE WAS TO TAKE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE LITTLE PORTIONS OF THAT LEAVE THAT BOTTOM AREA THAT WAS GREEN TO THE TOWN BECAUSE THERE ARE UTILITIES LOCATED THERE.
AND THEN THE QUESTION WAS, ALL RIGHT, HOW DO WE GET THIS, UH, RESOLVED? AND THE ANSWER OBVIOUSLY IS TO BRING IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO DO A FORMAL SUBDIVISION.
WHAT, WHERE WE'RE NOT AT THE, THE FORMAL STAGE YET BECAUSE IT'S A PRE-SUBMISSION, UH, CONFERENCE.
BUT, UH, WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, UH, BLOW YOUR MIND THEN SAYING, HERE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
UM, DOES THE APPLICANT WANNA, UH, TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT, PLEASE? YOU KNOW, UH, I GUESS MR. FREE SAID IT ALL.
UM, I'M PHILIP GRAL, THE, I'M THE, UH, APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY.
BUT, UM, YEAH, UH, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THIS, IS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A STIPULATION THAT WAS FULLY EXECUTED.
I'M GONNA SUBMIT IT TO THE JUDGE TOMORROW TO SIGN OFF ON IT.
AND BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, UH, THE NEIGHBORS WOULD GET THAT SMALL PORTION OF, OF THE PAPER STREET AS WE CALL IT, AND THE TOWN WOULD GET THE OTHER HALF.
UH, IT'S MORE THAN HALF, IT'S PROBABLY 60% OF THE PAPER STREET.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'D, WE, WE, WE SUBDIVIDE EVERYTHING.
SO THE LOTS WOULD BE SLIGHTLY BIGGER.
I THINK THEY'RE ALL AROUND 6,300 SQUARE FEET AND WE'RE PROBABLY ADDING ABOUT A THOUSAND OR SO SQUARE FEET TO EACH ONE.
UM, SO IT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
AND, UM, THEN WE COULD JUST DISCONTINUE THE SUIT AND EVERYBODY WILL BE HAPPY.
UM, SO THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAVE TO SAY.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS SOLD TO A THIRD PARTY AND HE DID TAKE STEPS TO DEVELOP IT AND THE, THE NEIGHBORS KIND OF GOT CONCERNED THAT WE, WE BROUGHT THIS ACTION AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
AARON, I JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE THING.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION BY CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ IN OUR PREP MEETING, UM, WHICH WAS WHY, YOU KNOW, LEAVE A PORTION OF IT TO THE TOWN.
AND IF I SHARE THE SCREEN AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, UM, THE GREEN PORTION WOULD REMAIN, UM, OR BE OWNED BY THE TOWN.
AND PER REASON FOR THAT IS THERE ARE UTILITIES SPECIFICALLY A, A SEWER LINE THAT RUNS THROUGH PORTIONS OF, OF THE GREEN AREA.
SO THE TOWNS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS, UH, THEY'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN REVIEWING THIS AND THEY REQUESTED THAT, UH, IT BE LAID OUT AS SUCH.
SO THE APPLICANTS, UH, WERE AGREEABLE TO THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YOU WALTER? YEAH, I, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.
WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE TO DEVELOP? HOW, HOW WAS THAT PROPERTY EVER ENVISIONED TO BE DEVELOPED? IT'S JUST A, A PAPER STREET, SO THAT'S WHY I'M CONFUSED.
YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH YOU MR. SIMON.
BUT WHAT HAD HAPPENED WAS IT WAS AUCTIONED AND
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THE PERSON WHO BOUGHT IT TOOK STEPS TO DEVELOP IT.YOU KNOW, HE BOUGHT IT, YOU KNOW, AT HIS OWN RISK.
AND I THINK HE GOT A SLOPE CLEARANCE, UH, PERMIT, A WETLANDS WATERCOURSE PERMIT.
AND HE TOLD THE NEIGHBORS WHOSE PROPERTY BUTS THAT THEY HAVE TO REMOVE ANYTHING THEY HAVE 'CAUSE HE'S GONNA START CLEARING THE LAND.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE BROUGHT THE SUIT.
NOW, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T THINK HE COULD EVER DEVELOP IT.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T WANNA TAKE A CHANCE AND THEN JUST LET THIS PLAY THROUGH THROUGH THE TOWN.
SO WE BROUGHT A SUIT AND WE SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PAPER STREET.
THE ABUTTING OWNERS HAVE CERTAIN RIGHTS OKAY.
SO, SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SETTLE IT AT THIS POINT, BUT OH YEAH, I UNDER YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I WAS JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO PUT, WRAP MY HEAD AROUND IT, THAT IF THAT PERSON WANTED TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY, WHAT AN EARTH COULD YOU PUT IT ON? OR MAYBE AARON? WELL, I CAN HAVE, I CAN HAVE A SEPARATE CONVERSATION AS TO WHAT THE, DEVELOP IT'S IRRELEVANT TO THIS, UH RIGHT PROCEEDING, BUT I CAN SHOW YOU WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS WERE THAT WERE BEING CONSIDERED.
WE CAN SEND THAT TO YOU PRIOR.
AARON, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT OR DID DAVE COVER IT? THOSE WERE, THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A COMMENT? CORRECT? YEAH, I'M STILL NOT VERY CLEAR.
WHITE TOWN WANTS TO KEEP THAT PROPERTY AND, UH, OKAY.
INCUR THE, INCUR THE MAINTENANCE AND LIABILITY OF THAT RATHER THAN, UH, GIVING TO THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNER.
WE HAVE UTILITIES UNDER THERE.
AND IN ORDER TO HAVE ACCESS TO UTILITIES, OUR D P W WANTED TO HAVE OWNERSHIP RIGHTS THERE NOT TO HAVE EASEMENT RIGHTS OR RIGHT OF WAY RIGHTS.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? IT, IT KEEPS IT CLEARER THAN IF YOU HAD EASEMENT.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE OBSTRUCTIONS TO GET TO, TO A PLACE OF SOMETHING BROKE.
THIS WAS, WE'RE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.
THIS WAS BOTH AT THE, AT THE REQUEST OF OUR DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS AND ALSO IN CONSULTATION WITH THE TOWN BOARD WHO WAS INVOLVED WITH SETTLEMENT DISCUSSIONS.
SO, BUT, BUT DAVID, HOW DO THEY GO MAINTAIN IT IF THE NEIGHBORING GUYS PUT SOME, SOME, UH, KIND OF EQUIPMENTS OR STORAGE OR SOMETHING? HOW, HOW NOT GOING AARON? AARON WILL EXPLAIN.
AND MAYBE SHOW THE I'M THE DIAGRAM AGAIN.
YEAH, SO I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK WITH YOU OFFLINE, BUT I'M GONNA SHOW THE DIAGRAM AGAIN.
THE ENCROACHMENTS, THE WAY THAT THE NEW OR THE, WHAT WOULD BE PROPOSED, UM, NEW PROPERTY LINES WOULD BE IS THAT THE ENC ENCROACHMENTS DON'T EXTEND BEYOND WHAT WOULD BE THE NEW, I MEAN THIS LITTLE WALL HERE, IT'S A SMALL BEAT UP, UH, RAILROAD TIE THAT WOULD BE ELIMINATED.
BUT, UM, THE ENCROACHMENTS COMING IN HERE, SO THE NEW PROPERTY LINE, THE ENCROACHMENTS WOULD NOT EXTEND, UM, INTO THE GREEN AREA, IF YOU WILL.
AND WE WOULD HAVE, THE TOWN WOULD HAVE ACCESS COMING OFF OF, UM, ANY OF THE THREE ROADS REALLY TO GET IN THERE.
SO YOU HAVE ABBOTT AVENUE AND IT KIND OF EXTENDS INTO THE GREEN AREA AND THE TOWN WOULD'VE ACCESS TO MAINTAIN, UH, THE SEWER LINE THAT RUNS THROUGH ALSO OFF OF ENDICOTT AVENUE AS WELL.
SO, UM, IT, AS MR. FRIED INDICATED, THIS WAS WITH DISCUSSIONS WITH, UM, THE TOWN'S DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS.
IT WAS THEIR WISH AND IT WAS ALSO DISCUSSED WITH THE TOWN BOARD.
SO THAT'S HOW THE APPLICATION, WELL, THE QUESTION I HAVE TO, TO, TO CAR'S POINT, 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T, I MEAN, THESE PEOPLE HAVE ENCROACHED OVER THE YEARS ONTO THE PAPER STREET, RIGHT? RIGHT.
IS THERE A REASON WE, WE COULDN'T SUGGEST A FENCE BETWEEN THE END OF THESE, THESE PEOPLE'S PROPERTY AND THE, THE NEW TOWN PROPERTY? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT TOWN BOARD WOULD, WOULD, UH, BE OPEN TO DOING? UM, I'D, I'D REFER IT THAT TO MR. GRIMALDI ACTUALLY, BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE SOME GRADE CHANGES, UM, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY.
BUT WE COULD EXPLORE THAT IF THIS ADVANCES TO A FORMAL APPLICATION, UH, I'LL BE, I'M HAPPY TO GET BACK OUT TO THE SITE.
I WOULD LOOK, I WOULD LOOK INTO IT TO SEE IF IT'S REPORT TO BOARD A POSSIBILITY OF, OF SOME KIND OF, SOME KIND OF FENCE THERE.
THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THAT ISSUE.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT, WHERE THAT YELLOW PORTION MEETS THE GREEN PORTION.
THERE'S A FAIRLY STEEP DROP OFF ALONG A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THAT AREA.
AND ALL OF THE PROPERTIES DO APPEAR TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A FENCE ALREADY IN THEIR BACKYARDS.
THE QUESTION IS THE FENCE THAT THE NEW PROPERTY, LOT OF THE OLD PROPERTY, THE FENCE, THE,
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THE FENCE, THE FENCE IS ENCROACHING ON THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY.AND YOU KNOW THAT BECAUSE ALL OF THESE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, WHICH AARON SHOWED TO BE IN, YOU KNOW, INTRUDING ON THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY, OF COURSE ON THE HOUSE SIDE OF THE FENCE.
AND THE FENCE IS
I MEAN, AT SOME POINTS IT'S FIVE, SIX FEET DROP.
I MEAN, I DIDN'T WALK THE WHOLE WAY.
IT'S GOT TREE LIMBS EVERYWHERE, GARBAGE TIRES, DISCARDED WHEELBARROWS, YOU KNOW, ALL THE MORE REASON TO MAKE SURE THERE'S FENCING ALONG IF THERE'S A DROP FOR SAFETY MM-HMM.
SO IF THERE'S ONE, IF THERE, AND MAYBE THERE ARE PLACES THERE AREN'T, I DON'T KNOW.
SO WE, WE, WE OUGHT TO JUST LOOK INTO THAT, AARON.
AND MR. GRIMALDI, THAT'S A, A NOTE FOR YOU TO JUST
YEAH, I MEAN, I'VE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE PROPERTIES.
I'LL, I'LL, I'LL MAKE SURE I LOOK AT ALL NINE OF THE LOTS AND SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME PLACES YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE WHERE THE, THE, THE STREET BEGINS AND THE, THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY ENDS.
BUT I, I, I'LL THERE ARE FENCES ON MANY OF THE PROPERTIES AND I'LL, I'LL MAYBE THIS WEEKEND TAKE A LOOK AND, AND SEE AND WE COULD SUGGEST SOMETHING OR DO SOMETHING.
SO DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD? UM, WELL, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID BEFORE, I'M GONNA FILE THE STIPULATION AND, UM, WE'D LIKE TO MOVE THIS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO I DON'T KNOW, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE THIS FEBRUARY 2ND MEETING IF YOU HAVE TO DO SUBMISSIONS AHEAD OF TIME.
SO I DON'T KNOW, THE NEXT MEETING, WOULD WE GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING OR WOULD YOU WANT ANOTHER, UM, ANOTHER SESSION LIKE THIS BEFORE WE WE MOVE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING? UM, SO WE NEED TO HAVE A, WE WILL NEED TO HAVE ONE WORK SESSION.
THAT MEANS WE WOULD HAVE A WORK SESSION AND OKAY.
PROBABLY BE IT, PROBABLY BE PHIL.
AND MY GUESS IS IT'D BE A FAIRLY SHORT WORK SESSION, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A WORK SESSION.
AND STAFF WILL WORK WITH YOU ON GETTING THOSE APPLICATION MATERIALS, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, WHAT YOU SUBMIT IS COMPLETE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A VERY QUICK STAFF LEVEL REVIEW, WHICH WOULD PROCEED THE WORK SESSION.
NOW PART, PART OF THE STIPULATION, THE, THE CURRENT OWNER'S GONNA WORK WITH US, BUT I I GUESS THE APPLICANTS WOULD HAVE TO ALL NINE OF THE OWNERS.
SO YES, IT'S, IT'S TOUGH TO GET NINE PEOPLE DO ANYTHING, BUT WE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, IT SHOULDN'T BE A, A BIG DEAL.
WELL, ACTUALLY, THE, THEIR, THE JOINT, THE, THE CURRENT OWNER WOULD ALSO BE AN APPLICANT.
IS THAT CORRECT, DAVE? BECAUSE IT'S YES.
LAND THE CURRENT OWNER AND THE NINE OWNERS.
SO IT WOULD BE, HE'S ALREADY AGREED TO THAT, THE, UM, THE CURRENT OWNER, UM, THAT'S PART OF THE STIPULATION, BUT, OKAY.
UM, ALL RIGHTY, WALTER, ONE LAST COMMENT AND, AND TO ADDRESS, UH, YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THE DIVISION AND MICHAEL'S COMMENT THAT WE HAVE A FENCE THERE.
UH, WHAT ABOUT ALONG THE BOUNDARY LINES? YOU PUT THOSE SURVEY MARKERS SO IN THE FUTURE PEOPLE COULD VERY, THEY'LL KNOW WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU, YOU HAVE THOSE SURVEY STONES THAT YOU PUT IN THE GROUND, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
SO YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHERE THE FENCES ARE AND THAT WOULD MAKE IT CLEAR TO EVERYONE WHERE THE PROPERTY LINES.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER.
W W WE HAD A SURVEY GO OUT THERE.
I GUESS HE COULD STAKE THE, THE, THE, THE PROPERTY BECAUSE HE ALREADY DID THE SURVEY, SO I'LL SPEAK TO HIM ABOUT THAT.
WHAT AARON? I, I, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT AND WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION FOLLOWING, BUT I THINK SOMETHING MORE PERMANENT THAN JUST A STAKE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M MR. SIMON, THEY HAVE THOSE, THOSE STONES, THOSE BINS.
ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, THANK YOU MR. GRIMALDI FOR COMING YOU THIS EVENING.
OKAY, THE NEXT CASE IS PB 21 DASH FOUR, I'M SORRY, TB 21 DASH 14 SLASH PB 21 DASH 29 REGENERON 5 35 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
AND IT'S FOR AMENDED SITE PLAN, UH, WHICH IS A TOWN BOARD APPROVAL.
WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT AND A TREE REMOVAL, UH, PERMIT AS WELL AS A WETLANDS WATERCOURSE PERMIT.
MR. SCHMIDT, YOU WANNA FILL IN THE BLANKS FOR ME AND I THINK MS. GARRIS IS HERE REPRESENTING REGENERON.
I HAVE A FEELING YES,
UH, THIS ITEM RELATES TO CASE NUMBERS TB 2114 AND PB 2129, UH, REGENERON FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 5 55 SALTVILLE RIVER ROAD,
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PO TERRYTOWN IN THE P E D PLANNED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.THE PLANNING BOARD WILL BE DISCUSSING AN AMENDED SITE PLAN, APPLICATION REFERRAL FROM THE TOWN BOARD AS WELL AS THE TOWN BOARD TREE REMOVAL PERMIT PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, I'M SORRY, PLANNING BOARD WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT APPLICATION.
AND THIS IS ALL INVOLVING THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF AN ADDITIONAL TEMPORARY PARKING AREA TO FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO STORY RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT BUILDING ON THE NEIGHBORING LOT.
7 77 OLD SAW MILL RIVER ROAD, WHICH WAS APPLIED FOR AND APPROVED UNDER CASE NUMBERS TB 21 DASH ZERO SIX AND PB 21 DASH ZERO FOUR.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD FOLLOWING THE DISCUSSION.
THE BOARD MAY CONSIDER VOTING ON THE TOWN BOARD'S INTENT TO SERVE AS LEAD AGENCY UNDER SEEKER, AND ALSO CONSIDER ISSUING A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THE AMENDED SITE PLAN APPLICATION REFERRAL.
I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO THE APPLICANT.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UH, LOOK FORWARD TO BEING WITH YOU IN PERSON AGAIN.
UM, BUT I AM PRIVILEGED TO BE HERE THIS EVENING ON BEHALF OF REGENERON PHARMACEUTICALS.
UH, THEIR, UH, SUBSIDIARY LOOP ROAD HOLDINGS, L L C IS ACTUALLY THE APPLICANT FOR THIS PROJECT.
AND, UH, AS YOU MIGHT REMEMBER, IN SEPTEMBER, THE APPLICANT RECEIVED STEEP SLOPES AND WETLAND PERMIT APPROVALS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD FOR, UM, THE IMPROVEMENT OF A PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY THAT WERE BEFORE YOU, UH, WITH THIS EVENING FOR A TEMPORARY AREA FOR CONSTRUCTION STAGING AND, UH, CONSTRUCTION EMPLOYEE PARKING, WHICH WAS INTENDED TO BE UTILIZED, UH, DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF, UH, THE NEW BUILDING AT THE, AT THE CAMPUS THAT WE'VE REFERRED TO AS PARCEL D.
UM, SINCE THE APPROVALS WERE GRANTED, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN FURTHER REFINING ITS, UH, PROJECT PLANS.
AND IN OCTOBER, WE, UH, APPLIED TO THE TOWN BOARD FOR AMENDED SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, CONTRACTOR PARKING.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ORIENT YOU A LITTLE BIT, UM, AND LET YOU KNOW WHY WE WERE HERE.
STEVE HAS SHARED HIS SCREEN JOINING ME THIS EVENING.
STEVEN S SPINA FROM, UH, J M C, BETH EVANS, OUR WETLAND CONSULTANT, AND, UH, KIM MARTIN FROM, UH, REGENERON PHARMACEUTICALS.
I'M NOT SURE IF, UH, MICHAEL AND BEN ARE HERE AS WELL.
UH, BUT WE'RE ALL HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND I'LL RUN THROUGH THIS WITH YOU.
SO JUST TO ORIENT YOU A LITTLE BIT, UH, THE YELLOW THAT YOU SEE IN THE MIDDLE IS THE MAIN CAMPUS IN GREENBURG THAT IS, UH, CURRENTLY DEVELOPED AND ON WHICH THE PARCEL D BUILDING AND THE RELATED PARKING STRUCTURE IS, UH, APPROVED TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
UM, AND THE GREEN, UH, PIECE THAT YOU SEE TO THE SOUTH OF THAT IS THE LOOP ROAD PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE TOWN BOARD, UM, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
THE PURPLE PORTION THAT YOU SEE IS THE, UH, IS ALSO A PIECE OF WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE LOOP ROAD HOLDINGS PROPERTY.
AND THAT IS THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF THE APPLICATION THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU.
SO AS I MENTIONED BACK IN SEPTEMBER ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, UH, WE GOT APPROVALS FOR IT.
STEVE, IF YOU WANNA FLIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, SO WE GOT APPROVALS FOR THAT PARCEL D BUILDING AND THE RELATED PARKING STRUCTURE.
AND THEN IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, SO YOU SEE THERE, JUST TO ORIENT YOU A LITTLE BIT, THAT PARCEL D BUILDING AND THE PARKING STRUCTURE AND THEN, UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT TO LIKE THE NORTHEAST OF THAT PARKING STRUCTURE IS, UH, THE TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION, UH, AREA AND TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION PARKING.
SO ONCE WE GOT THOSE APPROVALS FROM THE TOWN BOARD, AND, AND DURING THE END OF THAT APPROVALS PROCESS, WE DETERMINED THAT, UH, THERE WAS GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL PARKING NEEDED DURING A CONSTRUCTION PERIOD, AND IT'S INTENDED TO BE TEMPORARY.
SO WE CAME BACK IN OCTOBER WITH AN APPLICATION TO THE TOWN BOARD FOR AMENDED SITE PLAN, APPROVAL FOR THE ADDITION OF A TEMPORARY LOT, THAT NEW TEMPORARY LOT, UH, WHICH YOU SEE ALSO ON THIS PLAN IS INTENDED TO, UH, CONTAIN 385 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES.
AND AS WITH THE CONSTRUCTION PARKING AREA THAT WAS APPROVED AS PART OF THE PARCEL D PROJECT.
THIS LOT, AS I SAID, WILL BE TEMPORARY AND WILL BE NEEDED FOR THE DURATION OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT CAMPUS PROJECT.
AND IT'S CURRENTLY ANTICIPATED TO BE AROUND FIVE YEARS.
ONCE THE PROJECT IS COMPLETED, THIS, UH, TEMPORARY PARKING AREA WILL BE REMOVED AND THE DISTURBED AREAS WILL BE RESTORED AND,
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UH, RE-VEGETATED AND LANDSCAPED.SO, UM, AS WITH THE OTHER PROJECT AND THE OTHER APPROVALS THAT YOU GRANTED, THIS PROJECT ALSO REQUIRES A WETLAND PERMIT.
UM, STEVE WILL TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THAT, BUT, UM, THERE IS SOME DISTURBANCE TO ADJACENT BUFFER AREAS AS I, UH, AS WE SAID IN OUR, UH, APPLICATION MATERIALS, THERE'S NO DIRECT INCURSION INTO THE WETLAND ITSELF.
UM, BUT THERE IS SOME, UM, BUFFER DISTURBANCE HERE.
NO IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS BEING PROPOSED IN THE BUFFER AREA.
IT'S, IT'S BEING, UM, REALLY UTILIZED FOR SOME GRADING AND SOME, UM, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
SO I DON'T WANT, I COULD TALK FOR ALL NIGHT, UH, BUT STEVE CAN TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE DETAILS.
UH, I DID WANNA MENTION TO YOU THAT WE DID GO TO THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL LAST WEEK IN CONTEMPLATION OF BEING BEFORE YOU THIS WEEK, AND WE MADE A PRESENTATION TO THEM.
THEY DID RECOMMEND FAVORABLY UPON THE PROJECT, AND, UH, YOU SHOULD HAVE A RECOMMENDATION IN YOUR PACKAGES THIS EVENING.
SO, UM, AS I MENTIONED, I CAN TALK FOR A REALLY LONG TIME, BUT STEVE, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE OVER AND, UH, TALK TO 'EM ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THE PLAN AND THEN WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
THIS IS STEVE SPINA FROM J M C.
UH, WE'RE THE SITE ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT, AND THE SLIDE YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS THE PROPOSED PARKING LOT, UH, COLORED IN, UH, THE BROWN.
IT'S, UH, AN ASPHALT PARKING LOT.
AND, UM, A FEW ITEMS TO HIGHLIGHT, I GUESS TO ORIENT YOU WOULD BE THE OLD SAWMILL SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, UM, BYPASS HERE.
THERE'S THE, A ROUNDABOUT THAT THE D O T IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON.
AND THEN YOU HAVE NINE A HERE.
UM, SO THIS IS KIND OF A, A CONSTRUCTION AREA RIGHT NOW, AND, UH, WE'LL EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT LATER HOW SOME OF THIS, UH, SOME OF THIS LAND IS CURRENTLY BEING UTILIZED BY THE D O T FOREST STAGING AREA.
SO, UM, BUT ONE, I GUESS WE'LL START FROM THE UPPER LEFT HERE WHERE WE, UH, PREVIOUSLY WERE BEFORE THIS BOARD FOR THE APPROVAL OF A TEMPORARY PARKING LOT.
UH, ON THE UPPER LEFT HERE, WE'RE PROPOSING A CONNECTION WITH A SMALL DRIVEWAY AND SIDEWALK, UM, TO CONNECT THIS PARKING LOT TO THE NEW LOT HERE.
UM, UH, WE ARE SHOWING THE WETLAND BUFFER AND BLUE LINE AND THE WETLANDS THEMSELVES AND THE RED LINES HERE.
SO WHAT WE TRY TO DO, UH, WITH THIS PARKING LOT IS STAY AWAY FROM ANY ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS AS MUCH AS WE COULD.
UM, THIS LOWER AREA IS, IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED, AND WE'LL SHOW YOU SOME SLIDES ABOUT THAT.
AND, AND THEN THERE'S THE UPPER AREA HERE, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY CLEARED, UH, YEARS AGO, AND IS, UH, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF AN OPEN MEADOW RIGHT NOW, AND IT'S PRETTY FLAT, SO WE THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT AS WELL.
AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, STAY AWAY FROM STEEP SLOPES, UH, TRY TO MINIMIZE TREE REMOVAL AND BUFFER DISTURBANCE.
YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NO PROPOSED IMPERVIOUS AREA WITHIN THE BUFFERS.
UH, THERE'S AN EXISTING CURB CUT THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING UTILIZED BY THE D O T RIGHT NOW FOR THEIR STAGING AREA.
SO WE WOULD JUST LOOK TO, UH, FORMALIZE THAT WITH SOME ASPHALT AND ACTUAL CURBS.
SO, UH, LET ME GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE.
THIS JUST SHOWS THE CURRENT CONDITIONS, UH, OF WHAT, WHAT WE, UM, UH, HAVE ON SITE AND THEN WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO WITH THE WETLAND BUFFER ITSELF.
SO IN, IN, I'LL START WITH THE BLUE HERE.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED WETLAND BUFFER DISTURBANCE IN THIS, THIS BLUE HATCH.
SO THIS IS THE BUFFER ITSELF, THAT WAS THE PREVIOUS BLUE LINE ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.
AND THIS ORANGE LINE IS THE LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE FOR THE PARKING LOT IN TERMS OF GRADING.
SO THE PARKING LOT IS REALLY OUT HERE, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME, UH, GRADING AND A STORMWATER POND, UH, WITHIN THE BUFFER RIGHT HERE, AS WELL AS A STORMWATER POND WITHIN THE BUFFER HERE.
SO THE BLUE IS NEW, UH, DISTURBANCE WITHIN THE BUFFER.
UH, THE PINK IS CURRENTLY DISTURBED AND WILL REMAIN, UH, TO BE DISTURBED.
WE'RE, WE'RE STILL PROPOSING SOME, UH, GRADING IN THIS AREA.
AND THEN THIS, UH, KIND OF ORANGE COLOR HERE WOULD BE, UH, EXISTING DISTURBANCE IN THE BUFFER THAT WE WOULD BE PULLING BACK AND, AND RESTORING.
SO, UM, AND, AND THERE, THERE'S A PLAN IN THE, UH, SUBMISSION THAT, THAT HIGHLIGHTS THIS, UH, AS WELL.
AND THIS NEXT SLIDE JUST SHOWS WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP IS NOW WITH THE PROPOSED PARKING LOT ON TOP OF IT.
SO IN RED IS THE PROPOSED CURBING AND THE, THE LIMITS OF THE, OF THE PARKING LOT ITSELF.
SO YOU COULD SEE NO, NO IMPERVIOUS AREA WITHIN THE BUFFER.
UH, AS I MENTIONED, IT'S REALLY JUST GRADING, UM, AND, AND STORM WATER, UH, PRACTICES.
SO THIS SLIDE SHOWS IN BLUE THE CURRENT LIMITS OF THE D O T CONSTRUCTION STAGING AREA
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THAT IS, UH, OUT THERE NOW.IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S CRUSHED STONE AND IT CONTAINS PARKED VEHICLES CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS.
THERE'S A, AN EXISTING TRAILER IN RED HERE, THERE'S SOME ASPHALT THAT WAS INSTALLED.
SO THE, THE D O T HAD SORT OF, UH, TAKEN AN AREA THAT KIND OF WAS ALREADY CLEARED TO SOME DEGREE AND, UH, UH, EXPANDED A LITTLE BIT, I THINK ON THE LIMITS, AND, UH, INSTALLED SOME GRAVEL AND IS UTILIZING THAT AS THEIR STAGING AREA FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS, UH, D O T OWNED ROUNDABOUT, UH, OVER BY THE BRIDGE HERE.
SO YOU COULD SEE THAT THIS LOWER AREA HAS, UH, YOU KNOW, IS CURRENTLY ALREADY BEING UTILIZED AND DISTURBED.
THIS IS JUST ANOTHER VIEW, UH, NOW WITH THE AERIAL PHOTO.
AND, UM, UH, HERE'S THE, UH, OLD SAWMILL RIVER ROAD HERE, NINE A RIGHT HERE.
AND, UH, THE D O T, UH, ROUNDABOUT WORK IS, IS UP HERE.
HERE'S THE BRIDGE, UH, AND GRASSLANDS.
SO WHAT THIS SLIDE, UH, ATTEMPTS TO SHOW IS HOW YOU CAN SEE THE GRAY AREAS HERE.
THIS IS THE GRAVEL AREAS AND EXTENDS UP.
SO THIS IS, THE TRAILER IS HERE.
SO THIS IS THAT DISTURBED AREA ON THE SOUTH END.
AND THIS AREA HERE IS, IS, IS LARGELY A MEADOW.
UH, WE DID A TREE SURVEY THERE, THERE WERE NO TREES IN THAT AREA THAT WOULD QUALIFY AS A, A REGULATED TREE UNDER THE CODE.
IT WAS MOSTLY, UH, BRUSH AND, AND SMALL, SMALL TREES, SO THAT, THAT MAY HAVE GROWN BACK, UH, SINCE THIS AREA WAS CLEARED.
UH, IT APPEARS TO BE YEARS AGO.
AND THE BLUE LINE IS THE TREE LINE.
SO THIS IS KIND OF THE WOODED, THE, THE EDGE OF THE WOODED, THE WOODED AREA.
SO, UM, AS YOU COULD SEE, WE REALLY TRY TO STAY OUT OF THAT, UH, OUTTA THAT AREA.
UM, JUST KIND OF UTILIZING THE OPEN DISTURBED, UH, CLEARED AREAS OF THIS, OF THIS AREA OF THE PROPERTY, STEEP SLOPES.
SO THIS REALLY JUST ILLUSTRATES THAT THERE ARE NO STEEP SLOPES ON THIS, UH, ON THIS LOT, UH, WITHIN THE LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE.
SO THIS ORANGE LINE, AGAIN, IS THE, UH, LIMIT OF CONSTRUCTION DISTURBANCE.
UH, IT'S FLAT AND THERE ARE NO, THERE ARE NO AREAS IN HERE THAT WOULD QUALIFY AS A STEEP SLOPE.
ALL THE STEEP SLOPES ARE DOWN IN, IN, IN THIS AREA.
AND, AND AREAS THAT WE'VE STAYED AWAY FROM, UH, THE WETLANDS, WE WENT THROUGH THIS, UH, WITH THE C A C LAST WEEK.
THE GREEN REPRESENTS THAT WETLAND BUFFER DISTURBANCE.
SO THE PRIOR SLIDES WE HAD WITH THE DIFFERENT COLORS WERE JUST WHAT TYPE OF DISTURBANCE.
THIS JUST KINDA LUMPS THEM ALL TOGETHER AS OUR PROPOSED DISTURBANCE, UM, FOR GRADING WITHIN THE A BUFFER.
SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A STORM WATER POND HERE AND A STORM WATER POND HERE.
SO PART OF THOSE PONDS AND THE GRADING TO CREATE THEM, UH, IS, IS WITHIN, UH, THE BUFFER ITSELF.
UH, LANDSCAPING, UH, RESTORATION OF THIS, UH, PARKING LOT WILL TAKE PLACE, UH, WHEN, WHEN THE LOT IS NO LONGER NEEDED, IT WILL BE DECOMMISSIONED AND TREES WILL BE PLANTED AS SHOWN ON THIS PLAN.
THIS IS A KIND OF A, A CONCEPTUAL RESTORATION, UH, PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION MATERIALS.
AND IT SHOWS A LANDSCAPE, UH, TREE PALETTE HERE AND SOME SEED MIXTURES THROUGHOUT.
THERE'LL BE A MEADOW MIXTURE HERE, KIND OF IN THE LIGHT GREEN, AND THEN THERE'S DIFFERENT POND MIXTURES AS WELL.
SO, UM, THIS IS JUST TO, TO SHOW THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW THE AREA WOULD BE RESTORED ONCE THE PARKING LOT IS NO LONGER NEEDED AND, UH, REMAIN, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION ON THE, THE CAMPUS ITSELF HAS BEEN COMPLETED.
JUST ZOOMS IN ON, ON THE AREA, FOCUSING MORE ON THE WETLAND BUFFERS.
UH, AGAIN, WE, WE, WE HAVE A, A PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH LANDSCAPE, UH, UH, A PALLET OF TREES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND, UH, VARIOUS MIXES THROUGHOUT.
SO, UM, THE PONDS THEMSELVES HAVE DIFFERENT, UH, MIXES IN THEM, UH, THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, TOLERATE, UH, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT, UH, MOISTURE CONTENTS OF THE SOIL, UM, WITHIN THE BASINS THEMSELVES.
AND THEN THE, UH, THE BUFFER HERE WOULD BE RESTORED, UH, AFTER IT'S GRADED WOULD HAVE, WOULD HAVE A, A, A MEADOW MIX THAT WOULD BE APPLIED AS WELL.
AND THIS AREA HERE, A PORTION OF THE BUFFER THAT'S CURRENTLY GRAVEL, UH, STORMWATER RETENTION.
SO, UH, IT'S NEW IMPERVIOUS AREA.
SO WE, WE NEED TO TREAT IT, WE NEED TO RETAIN IT.
UM, WE HAD BORINGS DONE THROUGHOUT THE SITE, AND WE, UH, HAD FAVORABLE SOILS, UH, GOOD PERCOLATION.
SO WE, WE CHOSE THREE LOCATIONS OF THE STORMWATER PONDS.
UM, AND THESE TWO HERE JUST KIND OF SHOW THE WETLANDS, EXCUSE ME.
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AND THE LAST FEW SLIDES, UM, REALLY JUST KIND OF TAKE YOU THROUGH SOME PHOTOS THAT WERE, UH, WERE TAKEN.HERE'S THE ENTRANCE, LOOKING OUT ONTO OLD SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
UH, THE NEW GAS STATION THAT'S THERE.
UH, THIS IS THAT TRAILER THAT THE D O T IS UTILIZING.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PARKING SOME CARS.
YOU CAN SEE, UH, IN THE BACKGROUND THERE'S, UH, UH, SOME TREES, AND THIS IS KIND OF BEYOND THIS AREA.
JUST SOME MORE VIEWS IN THAT LOWER SOUTHERN AREA OF, OF, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, STAGING AND, AND MATERIAL STORAGE.
THIS IS THE WETLAND BUFFER HERE.
SO THIS IS KIND OF THE AREA WHERE WE WOULD BE REMOVING THIS GRAVEL AND PULLING THE DISTURBANCE AWAY FROM THE, THE WETLAND.
THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE ROADWAY, LOOKING BACK INTO THE SITE, THIS IS THE TRAILER.
SO THIS WAS JUST KIND OF TO SHOW WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, UH, FROM THE ROADWAY.
SO, UH, IT, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY WELL SCREENED NOW.
THIS IS, LOOK, SO THE TRAILER'S KIND OF TO THE LEFT NOW, AND NOW YOU'RE LOOKING SOUTH, UH, SORRY, NORTH A LITTLE BIT ALONG OLD SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
SO THERE'S A, A PRETTY GOOD SCREEN, UH, OF EXISTING TREES AND, AND OVERGROWN VEGETATION.
UH, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE MUCH OF THE PARKING LOT FROM THE ROADWAY.
UH, AGAIN, JUST ANOTHER VIEW OF THAT, LOOKING DOWN THE ROADWAY, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE, MAYBE THE TOPS OF SOME OF THE LARGER CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES.
THAT'S OUR, UH, THAT'S OUR PRESENTATION.
AND, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOARD HAS THEN.
I JUST, ONE QUESTION BECAUSE I'M KIND OF CONFUSED, IS, IS THE D O T LOT ACTUALLY ON OCCUPYING PART OF WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING AS YOUR NEW TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION LAW? YES.
SO WHERE IS THE D O T? WELL, THEY'RE, WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO BE FINISHING THEIR PROJECT AND LEAVING, BUT WE'RE REUTILIZING THE AREA THAT THEY'VE DISTURBED.
SO AS NOT TO DISTURB ADDITIONAL AREAS THAT WE DON'T NEED TO.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE BOARD HAVE A QUESTION? I CAN'T SEE EVERYBODY, UH, WITH THAT UP.
SO AARON, STEVE, YOU WANNA TAKE THAT DOWN? JUST, UH, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
ACTUALLY ONE COMMENT AND THEN ONE QUESTION.
IF YOU GO BACK TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, YOU CAN SEE, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS IT, THIS WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE C A C, UH, ON THE NORTHERLY PORTION.
I THINK IF YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE, STEVE, ON THE NORTHERLY OR TOP PORTION, UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE REALLY AREN'T THAT MANY TREES.
I THINK ONE OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE C A C WAS, COULD YOU SPREAD OUT THE PROPOSED PLANT FUTURE PLANTINGS, UM, JUST TO COVER IT UP.
AND I THINK THE APPLICANT WAS JUST INDICATING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN AREA THAT'S MOSTLY MEADOW NOW.
SO THEY WERE TRYING TO REPLICATE WHAT KIND OF PRE-EXISTED.
BUT THE CACS THOUGHT WAS, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET SOME TREES IN THERE, UM MM-HMM.
AND THEN I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, AND FORGIVE ME IF YOU TOUCHED ON IT, BUT WE'LL, CURRENTLY KIND OF JUST WITH LIKE THAT OVERGROWN VEGETATION ALONG THE FRONTAGE WITH, UH, SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE TOO MUCH INTO IT.
YOU HAD REFERRED TO, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE TOP OF THE CONTAINER OR THE TRAILER, I SHOULD SAY.
UM, WITH YOU TAKING OUT ALL THAT VEGETATION, WILL THERE BE SCREENING FROM THE ROAD AND FROM THE GAS STATION TO THE LOT? UH, WELL, SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO REMOVE ANY OF THAT VEGETATION ALONG THE ROADWAY.
SO THE, THE, IT, IT'S, IT'S REALLY ALONG THE, BETWEEN THE, THE CURB LINE AND, AND OUR LIMITED DISTURBANCE.
THERE'S A, A, A LOT OF TREES AND, AND BRUSH AND SHRUBS.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE? SURE.
SO, SO IT WASN'T GONNA BE CLEANED UP.
THAT AREA WAS GONNA JUST BE LEFT.
WE, WE THOUGHT, WE THOUGHT OF JUST LEAVING IT JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THAT, THAT NATURAL SCREENING, UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE, IF YOU GO YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND.
THERE WAS ANOTHER SLIDE THAT SHOWED IT.
EVEN ANOTHER ONE I THOUGHT I SAW.
SO THAT KIND OF INVASIVE MATERIAL WOULD REMAIN.
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YOU'RE ON MUTE.THE D O T IS, IS HAVE THEIR EQUIPMENT IN THE, IN THE BUFFER AREA.
DID, UH, DO THE TOWN HAVE ANY INPUT IN THE D O T UH, OCCUPYING THAT SPACE IN THE, IN THE BUFFER? AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS, UH, THE PARKING LOT IS PRETTY MUCH COULD BE IN THE SAME AREA.
AND TO ME THAT SEEMED LIKE A, A, A VAST IMPROVEMENT TO WHAT THE D O T HAS DONE, UH, IN OCCUPYING THAT AREA.
DID WE HAVE ANY INPUT IN THE D O T OR PARKING TRUCKS THERE? NO DRAINAGE.
AND DO WE HAVE ANY INPUT ON THAT? OR THE STATE HAS THE POWER JUST TO COME IN AND DO THAT? AARON OR DAVE, COULD YOU ANSWER THAT, DAVE? I DON'T RECALL THAT COMING.
YEAH, BEFORE THE TOWN, I DON'T KNOW.
WE, WE VERY RARELY HAVE ANY POWER WHEN THE D O T WANTS TO DO SOMETHING, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN ASK OVER AT D P W TO SEE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR MEMORY IS ON THIS.
BUT MY POINT IS, BUT MY POINT IS THAT THIS PROPOSED TEMPORARY PARKING LOT IS PRETTY MUCH ON THE, ON THE AREA THAT THE D O T IS OCCUPYING AND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS ACTUALLY AN IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT WE HAVE THERE NOW.
YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE AGREE WITH THAT.
UM, AND AS I MENTIONED, WELL, MR. JIM, I STEPPED DOWN MR. CHAIR, UM, UH, UH, HUGH IS THE CHAIRMAN,
I'M SORRY I MISSED THE FIRST PART OF THE MEETING 'CAUSE I GOT THE LINK TO THE JANUARY 5TH MEETING, SO I WAS DESPERATELY TRYING TO GET IN, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
BUT, UM, AS I MENTIONED, WE ALSO AGREE THAT IT'S A, A BIG IMPROVEMENT AND, AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THIS AREA WAS CHOSEN, UH, IS BECAUSE IT, IT IS CURRENTLY DISTURBED AND IT WILL BE AN IMPROVEMENT.
UM, AND AS I MENTIONED, IT'S ALSO ONLY INTENDED TO BE TEMPORARY.
SO ONCE THE CAMPUS, UH, CONSTRUCTION IS FINISHED, AND AS I MENTIONED, WE CONTEMPLATED BEING APPROXIMATELY FIVE YEARS, THEN THIS WHOLE AREA WILL BE, UH, YOU KNOW, REMOVED, IMPROVEMENTS REMOVED, AND THEN RESTORED TO, YOU KNOW, TO, UH, THE LANDSCAPED AND UH, PLANTED AREA.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I AM KIND OF BLIND, AARON, 'CAUSE I CAN'T SEE EVERYBODY WITH THAT SCREEN.
UH, THERE'RE GONNA BE A SIDEWALK ALONG THAT SIDE OF ROAD.
WE USUALLY LIKE TO KIND OF, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A SIDEWALK THERE NOW.
WE ARE NOT CONTEMPLATING PUTTING IN A SIDEWALK, UH, IN CONNECTION WITH THESE TEMPORARY IMPROVEMENTS.
QUESTION I JUST WANTED TO ADD, AND, AND YOU PROBABLY WENT OVER THIS, BUT THERE WILL BE, WHILE THERE WA ISN'T A SIDEWALK PROPOSED ALONG SAW MILL RIVER ROAD WHERE THIS LOT WOULD FRONT THE ROADWAY, THEY DO HAVE A SIDEWALK CONNECTION PROPOSED BETWEEN THE CURRENTLY PROPOSED LOT AND THAT ADJACENT LOT TO ITS KIND OF NORTHWEST THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED.
SO THERE IS THAT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION FOR SAFETY PURPOSES BETWEEN THE TWO LOCKS.
IS THERE ANY, ANY
BUT AARON, IS THERE A BUS STOP ALONG THE SIDE THERE? BECAUSE THE BUS WOULD NOT, THE DOOR FOR THE BUS WOULD OPEN ON THE WRONG SIDE THERE.
HOWEVER, WE CAN LOOK IF THERE IS A BUS STOP.
STEVE SPINA, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW IF THERE IS ALONG THAT STRETCH OF ROADWAY? UH, I DO NOT, BUT I DON'T, I I, I'M PRETTY SURE THERE'S NOT A BUS STOP ON THE, ON THE, THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD HERE.
YEAH, I THINK THERE'S ONE ON THE SIDE OF ROAD FURTHER DOWN.
THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND AS WELL.
MAYBE WE CAN CHECK ON, UH, PROBABLY ON THAT, PROBABLY CLOSER TO THE ENTRANCE OF THE 7, 7 7 BUILDING MM-HMM.
AND OF THE, THE TURN, UH, I KNOW THERE'S ONE ALONG THE TURN AND THEN ABSOLUTELY ONE'S CLOSER TO THE, TO THE FRONT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CLOSEST ONE IS TO THAT EXXONMOBIL STATION.
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IF YOU COULD LOOK INTO THAT, WE CAN, YEAH, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.ANYBODY ELSE HAVE, UH, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THE BOARD? COULD WE GO OVER THE DRAINAGE ON FROM THE, I KNOW IT'LL BE IMPROVEMENT.
COULD YOU JUST GO QUICKLY OVER THE DRAINAGE THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN PLACE FOR THAT, UH, FOR THE PARKING SPACES? SURE.
SO THE, UH, THE PARKING LOT IS, IS GENERALLY A, A PRETTY FLAT AREA HERE.
THE WAY WE GRADED IT WAS, UH, SORT OF A HIGH POINT IN THE MIDDLE.
AND THEN THIS, THIS STORM WATER WOULD DRAIN NORTH, UH, FOR THIS KIND OF NORTH PIECE OF THIS UPPER LOT.
AND THEN THIS PORTION AND SORT OF THIS DRIVEWAY AREA HERE, UH, WAS DRAINING INTO THIS, UH, PROPOSED POND.
AND WE HAVE, UH, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, UH, PROVIDE CURB CUTS WITH, UH, SOME RIP WRAP AND THEN SWALES.
EVERYTHING IS IS VEGETATED SWES.
SO, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, INFILTRATION THROUGH THE GRASS ON THE WAY TO THE PONDS.
UM, ALSO SLOW IT DOWN, UH, RATHER THAN JUST PUTTING IT IN CATCH BASINS AND PIPES.
UM, IT, IT, IT WORKED OUT PRETTY WELL WITH THE GRADING WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND THEN ON THIS LOWER LOT, UH, THE LOT JUST DRAINS KIND OF NORTHWEST TOWARDS THE EXISTING WETLAND, BUT BEFORE IT CAN GET THERE, WE ARE INTERCEPTING IT WITH A POND.
AND THEN ALL THESE PONDS ARE, ARE DEPRESSIONS, UH, THAT'LL BE SEEDED AND THEY, UH, WILL INFILTRATE THE STORM WATER.
AND THEN ANYTHING THAT, UH, EXCEEDS THE CAPACITY OF THE PONDS, YOU KNOW, SAY IN THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM, UH, HIGHER STORM EVENTS WOULD SPILL OUT OVER A SPILLWAY, UM, AND GO INTO, YOU KNOW, THE NATURAL FLOW PATH OF THE TOPOGRAPHY.
SO EACH ONE OF THESE PONDS HAS A, A RIP WRAP SPILLWAY AND, AND AN OUTFALL.
UM, BUT THEY DO INFILTRATE, I THINK, UP TO THE 10 YEAR STORM WITHOUT ANY WATER LEAVING THEM.
AND THEN ANYTHING HIGHER THAN THAT, YOU'D START TO GET SOME, UH, SOME DISCHARGE.
AND YOU KNOW, BETH EVANS, OUR WETLAND CONSULTANT IS HERE AND SHE CAN, UM, CORRECT WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY IF IT'S, IF IT'S WRONG.
UH, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR WETLAND IS IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY CONNECTED TO ANYTHING ELSE.
AND THIS WETLAND BUFFER AREA THAT YOU HAVE, UH, IS, AS STEVE MENTIONED, A NUMBER OF TIMES HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY DISTURBED AND DOESN'T REALLY PROVIDE MUCH IN THE WAY OF FUNCTION, UM, TO THAT WETLAND.
SO, BETH, IF, IF, IF I'M MISSTATING THAT MAYBE YOU CAN CORRECT ME.
UM, BUT UM, THAT'S REALLY ONE OF THE REASONS WHY YOU GET A STAR, STAR FOR WETLAND SCIENCE.
JANET TONIGHT,
THIS IS AN ISOLATED WETLAND AND, AND REALLY SERVES THE SAME SORT OF FUNCTIONS THAT STEVE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT FOR THE PROPOSED, UH, WATER QUALITY BASINS.
IT JUST KIND OF COLLECTS AND PONDS WATER, UH, PROBABLY INFILTRATES THAT WATER, BUT IT'S NOT HYDROLOGICALLY CONNECTED TO THE OTHER WETLANDS ON THE SITE.
SO WE FEEL THAT THIS IS ADEQUATE PROTECTION, UH, REALLY MORE THAN ADEQUATE PROTECTION FOR THIS WETLAND.
ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
ONE IS, IS THERE ANY KIND OF PERMANENT LIGHTING IN THIS PARKING AREA? UH, YES, WE HAVE, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING SOLAR LIGHTS.
OH, SO, SO SELF, SELF STANDING.
UH, SO SOLAR LIGHTS EACH WITH A PANEL AND A BAT, YOU KNOW, A POWER PACK ON IT, YOU KNOW, ON, ON A CONCRETE BASE.
SO THERE IS, THERE IS A LIGHTING PLAN, UH, THAT WAS PROVIDED, UM, AS PART OF THE, UH, SITE PLAN, YOU KNOW, UH, SET OF DRAWINGS, UH, WITH DE WITH DETAILS ON, ON THE LIGHT.
DO STEVE, DO YOU HAVE THAT AVAILABLE? THIS SHARED JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF ANYONE WATCHING AT HOME AND FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT DON'T HAVE IT HANDY.
JUST, JUST QUICKLY, I THINK I HAVE 'EM OPEN HERE.
LET ME GO TO THE, CAN YOU SEE THE SITE PLAN COVER SHEET? YES.
SO WE HAVE OUR LIGHTS PROPOSED THROUGHOUT THE PARKING LOT AND ON THE PERIMETER, THE LITTLE, UH, THESE LITTLE DOTS LIKE A, A POLE WITH THE LIGHT OVERHANG.
SO WE HAVE THEM POP POPULATED THROUGHOUT THE LOT,
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RIGHT.SO IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, A STANDARD CONCRETE BASE, BUT THERE'S NO WIRING.
SO IT'S JUST, UM, A PANEL ON TOP WITH A POWER PACK.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S ONE OR TWO LIGHTS, I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE A COUPLE OF, UH, POLES WHERE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, TWO LIGHTS MOUNTED ON ONE POLE, BUT MOST OF THEM ARE SINGLE.
IT'S, NO, IT'S, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
IF, HOW, UM, IS IS THERE A BA BACKUP BATTERY PACK WITH ON EACH ONE OF THESE? OR Y YEAH, SO, UH, SO YEAH, IT'S PART OF THE POWER PACK.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A BATTERY IN THERE AND IT'S, AND, AND EACH LIGHT IS SUPPOSED TO, UH, LIGHT, UH, I THINK IT'S AT LEAST, UH, 12 OR 14 HOURS.
UM, THE, THESE ARE THE SAME, UH, LIGHTS THAT, UM, ARE ON THAT, UH, EXISTING LOT SOUTH OF THE SOUTH CAMPUS THAT'S ON THE LOOP ROAD SITE.
PROBABLY HAVE SOME PHOTOS OF THEM THERE.
OH, THE TEMPORARY LOT, RIGHT? YEAH.
I CAN PROBABLY FIND PHOTOS OF WHAT HAPPENS ON A, WHAT HAPPENS THOUGH, IF YOU HAVE A COUPLE CLOUDY DAYS IN A ROW? UH, THEY, THEY, UH, THEY THEY WILL HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T GET LIGHT, UH, DURING THE DAY, WE'VE NOTICED, UM, ON THE, UH, EXISTING LOT WHERE THESE WERE INSTALLED THAT THEY WILL, UH, SORT OF RUN OUT OF THEIR, UH, POWER PROBABLY AROUND LIKE FOUR OR FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE LOOKED AT, SO EVEN, EVEN IF IT'S CLOUDY OUT, THERE'S STILL LIGHT.
SO THEY DO, IT STILL POWERS THE PANELS, BUT, BUT NOT AS MUCH.
SO, UM, BUT, BUT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, REGENERON SECURITY, UH, YOU KNOW, HAS, AND FACILITIES HAS MONITORED THEM AND THEY'RE HAPPY WITH THEM.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, UTILIZE THE SAME ONES, UH, HERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I THINK THE SECOND QUESTION IS THAT, IS THE, UH, THE ENTRANCE TO THE PARKING AREA, DO THEY HAVE ANY SIGN ON THE SORT OF ROADSIDE SIGNAGE? SIGNAGE ON THE ROADSIDE, THE ENTRY TO, IF THERE, IF THERE IS SIGNAGE THAT'LL BE PROPOSED AND STEVE, YOU CAN, UH, CORRECT ME ON THIS.
IT'LL JUST BE DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE.
THIS IS INTENDED FOR CONTRACTORS WHO ARE WORKING AT THE PROPERTY ONLY.
SO THEY'LL KNOW WHERE THEY, THEY'LL KNOW WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.
BUT FOR THE, FOR, FOR THE TRAFFIC TO SEE THAT THERE IS A, UM, ENTRY COMING INTO THE ROAD.
THEY HAVE THIS SIGN THAT'S A CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE TO THAT'LL BE, THAT'LL BE ON, ON THE SITE.
SO STEVE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA GO BACK TO, UM, THE PLAN THAT SHOWS THE TEMPORARY PARKING YEAH, IT'S AN INTERNAL SIGN.
THE INTERNAL SIGN IS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT KURT'S CONCERNED ABOUT.
THINK I THINK THE SIGNS THAT CURB CUT YEAH.
THEY HAVE A MERGING TRAFFIC OR INCOMING TRAFFIC SIGNS.
IT MAY BE THE D O T DOES, I DON'T KNOW, UH, ON THE ROADWAY.
I THINK THEY'RE, IS THERE ONE THERE NOW? YEAH.
LET'S, I DON'T THINK THERE DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT.
I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A SIGN OUT THERE.
LET ME SEE IF WE HAVE, THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF CAUTION SIGN OR SOMETHING OR YEAH.
CERTAINLY THIS, YEAH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OBJECTION TO THAT.
YEAH, I MEAN IT, I THINK HAVE TO HAVE CAUTION.
I'M SURE THEY WOULD HAVE A, UH, CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES OR CONSTRUCTION PARKING, ANY TYPE OF A SIGN, YOU KNOW, A SMALL SIGN LIKE THAT.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE A DETAIL OF OF THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT I KNOW THAT.
WELL IT'S SOMETHING THAT STEVE, JUST, JUST REMEMBER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S NOT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PEOPLE WORKING THERE, IT'S FOR THE WELL, IT IS.
THEY DON'T WANNA 'EM GET KILLED WHEN THEY COME OUT, COME OUT ONTO THE ROAD, BUT IT'S, IT'S FOR A WARNING FOR THE PEOPLE DRIVING ON SAW ROAD.
IT'S A MUCH HIGHER VOLUME OF TRAFFIC THAN WHAT THE D O T IS USING.
SO
WELL, IT'S NOT, SEE THE THING IS IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT REALLY A CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE, IT'S CONSTRUCTION PARKING ENTRANCE.
SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE, BUT I'M SURE WE CAN CRAFT SOMETHING.
IT'S SOMETHING SOME PEOPLE KNOW, PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE.
I, I THINK AS A WARNING THAT THAT'S ALL, ALL, ALL I THINK IS THE ISSUE.
CERTAINLY IT'S A PRETTY STANDARD D O D SCIENCE THAT THEY YEAH.
AND WE WOULD CERTAINLY ADD THAT AS PART OF IT'S SO, IT'S SO STANDARD CURT THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE ONE THEMSELVES.
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DON'T HAVE, LET'S NOT COMMENT ON THAT.YEAH, IT'S, THEY DID IT WHEN THEY DID THE DRAINAGE IN THE PARKING LOT.
WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL WE'LL GET SOMETHING.
I'M SURE THERE'S A STANDARD RULE ONE YOU CAN GET.
YOU COULD SAY SOMETHING ACTIVE, ACTIVE DRIVEWAY.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? NO.
SO WHERE ARE WE? WE NEED TO DO TWO THINGS THAT I BELIEVE AARON, CORRECT.
WE NEED TO, UH, AGREE THE TOWN BOARD BEING LEAD AGENCY, WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT, CORRECT? CORRECT.
I'LL MAKE NO OBJECTION THAT WE HAVE, I WILL SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION THAT WE HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE TOWN BOARD BEING LEAD AGENCY ON THIS PROJECT, PLEASE.
SECOND, MICHAEL HAS MADE CORRECT SECONDARY SECOND JUST UNDER THE WIRE AHEAD OF MONA BY A NOSE.
CORRECT? YOU DID IT BY A NOTE.
AND THE SECOND ONE IS, DO WE WANNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS SITE PLAN TO THE TOWN BOARD? POSITIVE, NEUTRAL? NOT WHAT DO POSITIVE DO? POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
I, I PROPOSE WE MAKE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO, UH, OKAY.
I DO YOU HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? YEAH, I, I I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, THAT I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB TRYING TO AVOID THE WETLAND BUFFER, TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACTS.
UM, IT'S BEEN A VERY SENSITIVE IN MY VIEW PLAN AND I WOULD PUT THAT IN OUR RECOMMENDATION.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK WE NEED ONE MORE THING FROM YOU THIS EVENING.
I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT WETLAND PERMIT APPLICATION AT SOME POINT.
UM, RECOGNIZING THAT THE TOWN BOARD DOES STILL NEED TO GET THROUGH THEIR SECRET SITE PLAN PROCESS, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO GET THROUGH THAT WETLAND PERMIT PROCESS WITH THIS BOARD.
SO AARON, WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST IN TERMS OF
THERE DOESN'T NEED TO BE A VOTE TO SCHEDULE IT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
I CAN JUST COMMUNICATE WITH THE CHAIR.
WE'LL PUT IT ON AS SOON AS WE, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA TO SCHEDULE SCHEDULE.
WE'LL GET IT ALL ON FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
I MEAN, WE ANTICIPATE THE TOWN BOARD'S GONNA HOLD IT'S PUBLIC HEARING ON FEBRUARY 9TH, BUT IF THEY DO, YEAH.
FIND OUT IF THEY'RE MAKING A SECRET DETERMINATION ON THE NINTH.
IF THEY CAN, WE CAN PUT IT ON FOR THE 16TH.
WE JUST NEED TO NOTE, KNOW, HAVE SOME TIME TO NOTICE IT, OBVIOUSLY.
SO WE'LL FIND OUT AS SOON AS WE'RE ABLE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A COMMENT BEFORE THESE FOLKS LEAVE FOR THE EVENING? NO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOLKS IN REGENERON.
IT'S ALWAYS GREAT TO SEE YOU GUYS HAVE A GOOD EVENING.
THE LAST, UH, FINAL CASE OF THE EVENING IS CASE PB 20 DASH 20.
UH, IT'S A, UM, PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPLICATION NEWMAN AT 14 SOUTHWOOD PLACE.
THANK YOU CHAIR PERSON SCHWARTZ AS MENTIONED, UH, CASE NUMBER PB 20 DASH 20 NEWMAN LOCATED AT 13 SOUTHWOOD PLACE PO WHITE PLAINS IN THE R 7.51 FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT FOR PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION OF ONE EXISTING LOT INTO TWO BUILDABLE LOTS FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTING ONE NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH RELATED IMPROVEMENTS.
THE PROJECT REQUIRES THE REMOVAL OF ONE REGULATED TREE REQUIRING A TRUE REMOVAL PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
NO REGULATED STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE OR WETLAND WATERCOURSE DISTURBANCE IS PROPOSED AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
PROJECT DOES REQUIRE ONE AREA VARIANCE FROM THE ZONING BOARD, WHICH I WILL HAVE THE APPLICANT DISCUSS IN FURTHER DETAIL.
THE PLA UM, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD FOLLOWING THE DISCUSSION.
THE BOARD MAY CONSIDER, UM, ESTABLISHING ITS ROLE AS LEAD AGENCY ON THIS PROJECT AND DECIDE, UM, IF IT WOULD LIKE TO SCHEDULE A FUTURE WORK SESSION TO CONSIDER A SECRET DETERMINATION.
IS THIS, IS THIS A TYPE, IS THIS UNLISTED OR A TYPE TWO? AARON? IT'S AN UNLISTED BEING THAT, UM, WE HAVE THE SUBDIVISION, SO SUBDIVISIONS ON THEIR OWN ARE AT A MINIMUM UNLISTED
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ACTION.SO WE'D HAVE TO DECLARE US THAT WE'D HAVE TO DECLARE OUR INTENT TONIGHT CORRECT.
UM, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHEN THIS IS GOING TO THE ZONING BOARD BOARD.
DO WE WE'LL SEE IF THE APPLICANT HAS ANY INFORMATION ON THAT.
'CAUSE WE OBVIOUSLY GOT 30 DAYS AFTER WE DECLARE OURSELF LEAD AGENCY BEFORE WE CAN DO SEEKER.
SO UNLESS, UNLESS WE GET ALL AGENCIES TO SIGN UP.
WHY DON'T WE TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT THEN.
GOOD, GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
GIMME ONE SECOND WHILE I JUST SPEAK UP MR. HANNEY A BIT PLEASE.
UM, BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND WHILE I TRY TO, UH, SHARE MY, OKAY.
SO IN FRONT OF US TODAY WE HAVE A SUBDIVISION AT THE CORNER OF SOUTHWOOD PLACE AND JUNIPER HILL ROAD.
UM, THERE THE EXISTING LOTS ABOUT 17,400 SQUARE FEET.
UM, OUR INTENTION IS TO SUBDIVIDE THE LOT INTO TWO LOCKS, ONE SEVENTY FIVE HUNDRED AND FIFTY ONE SQUARE FEET.
AND THE OTHER APPROXIMATELY, UM, 9,900.
UM, BECAUSE OF THE CONFIGURATION OF THE LOT, THE ONE LOT WOULD NEED A, UM, A VARIANCE FOR THE LOT WIDTH AND IT'S IN THE R 7.5 ZONE, WHICH HAS A LOT WIDTH, 75 AND WE HAVE A LOT WIDTH OF 59.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE SITE DEVELOPMENT, UM, THE, THE DWELLING WE HAVE PROPOSED IS ABOUT A 1200 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT, UM, WITH A DRIVEWAY WITH A TURNAROUND.
UM, STORMWATER MITIGATION PRACTICES IN THE FRONT YARD THERE, THERE WOULD BE A SEWER EASEMENT IN GOING ALONG THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO CONNECT TO THE SEWER IN SOUTHWOOD PLACE.
UM, THE WATER WOULD CONNECT IN JUNIPER HILL ROAD.
ADDITIONALLY, ALONG WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE NEW SITE, THERE WOULD BE SOME MINOR DEVELOPMENT ON THE EXISTING SITE.
IT WOULD BE THE REMOVAL OF A PARKING AREA IN THIS CORNER.
UM, AND THE ELIMINATION OF A CURB CUT.
AS AARON STATED EARLIER, THERE'S MINIMAL STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE.
UM, THERE IS STEEP SLOPE LOCATED ON THE SITE, MOST OF IT TO THE REAR.
UM, WE LIMITED THE DISTURBANCE TO THE FRONT, TO THE FOUNDATION.
ANYTHING BEHIND THE FOUNDATION WOULD ESSENTIALLY REMAIN UNDISTURBED.
AND I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU STILL THERE, MR. HANNEY? YOU STILL THERE? WE LOST YOU FOR A SECOND.
MR. HANNEY, IF YOU CAN HEAR US, I THINK YOU MAY WANNA, UH, GO OUT AND COME BACK IN.
THERE'S NOBODY ELSE IN THE APPLICANT ON IT.
IS THERE ON? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, HE JUST BOUNCED OUT, SO HOPEFULLY HE'LL COME BACK IN.
WE'LL GIVE IT A COUPLE OF MINUTES.
IF HE DOESN'T COME BACK IN, I WOULD ASK THE BOARD TO CONSIDER VOTING TO DECLARE, UH, INTENT TO BE LEAD AGENCY.
I, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR US, UH, TO INTEND TO BE LEAD AGENCY.
ANYBODY MAKE THAT MOTION PLEASE? SO MOVE.
SO GET THAT LITTLE HOUSEKEEPING DETAIL OUT OF THE WAY.
AND THIS IS MICHAEL STEIN WITH TOM.
UM, UM, IF THOMAS DOESN'T COME BACK,
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I CAN, I CAN TRY TO DO, I'LL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER ANY OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS.I THINK WE GOT THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
TOM, HAVE YOUR, YOUR HAND RAISED.
TAKE YOURSELF OFF MUTE IF YOU WANNA MUTE.
YEAH, I'M HITTING THE SPACE BAR.
IT USUALLY DOES IT, IT DIDN'T DO IT THAT TIME.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, ON THE PLANS, IT SHOWS AT THE END OF THE PARKING AREA THAT'S, I BELIEVE GONNA BE REMOVED.
THERE ARE THREE LIKE CONCRETE STRIPES I'LL CALL THEM BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE THEY ARE.
WHAT EXACTLY ARE THOSE? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THOMAS, ARE YOU THERE? YEAH, I, HE, HE'S COMING IN AND I DO HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT, SO, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL LET MR. HANNEY, HE'S JUST COMING IN.
DO YOU HEAR THE QUESTION MR. HANNEY? NO, I DID NOT.
TOM, TOM RU REPEAT THE QUESTION TO MR. HANNEY PLEASE.
YEAH, ON THE, UM, THE PLANS WE HAD, UH, ON THE EXISTING LOT THAT, UM, THE CORNER LOT, THERE'S THREE CONCRETE, I'LL CALL THEM STRIPES, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.
IT SAYS THEY'RE GONNA BE REMOVED.
UM, THEY WERE MORE OR LESS CONCRETE, UM, PARKING PADS.
SO AS YOU WOULD DO A DRIVEWAY WITH TWO CONCRETE, UM, VANS AND GRASS IN THE MIDDLE, THAT'S MORE OR LESS WHAT THEY WERE.
UM, THAT, THAT PARKING AREA, I'M NOT SURE, UNFORTUNATELY I CUT OUT, I WAS ON FOR TWO AND A HALF HOURS AND HAD NO
UM, BUT THAT PARKING AREA WOULD BE REMOVED AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
SO THAT WAS PART OF THE PARKING.
UM, MY BIGGER QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ASKING FOR A LOT SIZE THAT'S 50 SOMETHING FEET VERSUS I BELIEVE YOU SAID 75 OR 70 SOMETHING FEET, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION.
HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO THE, UM, THE LOT FRONTAGES OF OTHER HOMES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND, IS THIS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT'S AROUND IT OR IS IT SIMILAR? SURE, NOT A PROBLEM.
FIRST I'M GONNA EXPLAIN IT AND THEN I'M GONNA TRY TO SHOW YOU AND HOPEFULLY I DON'T
UM, SO I'LL PULL UP A MAP IN ONE MOMENT.
UM, IT'S OF THE R 7.5 DISTRICT IN THE AREA.
WITHIN THAT PORTION OF THE DISTRICT, THERE ARE 83 LOTS THAT HAVE DEFICIENT, UM, LOT WIDTHS.
SOME OF THEM MAY BE FIVE FEET, SOME OF THEM ARE AS LARGE AS OURS WHERE THEY'RE AROUND 60 FEET OR SO.
UM, SO I AM GONNA TRY AGAIN TO PULL UP THAT MAP AND HOPEFULLY I DO NOT MOVE YOU GUYS AGAIN.
ONE THING TO NOTE AS YOU'RE BRINGING THAT UP, YOU, ME, I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE, 'CAUSE YOU MENTIONED 80, 83 DIFFERENT PROPERTIES, WHICH I, I BELIEVE IS THE NUMBER YOU QUOTED.
I BELIEVE SOME OF THEM FALL WITHIN THE CHELSEA PARK SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A, BUT UM, PLEASE WALK US THROUGH AT LEAST THE ONES YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT ARE IN THE SINGLE FAMILY OR EITHER WAY IT SPEAKS TO NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER AARON, SO WHETHER IT'S AN OR NOT.
AND THIS, THIS WAS SOMETHING I ASKED THEM TO PUT TOGETHER 'CAUSE RIGHT.
SO THE MAP IN FRONT OF YOU HAS ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE UM, HAVE DEFICIENT WIDTHS.
UM, ON, IN RED, OUR PROPERTY IS RIGHT HERE.
SO EVEN RED ACROSS THE STREET? YES.
THEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE KIND OF SPREAD OUT.
THERE'S NO REAL CONSISTENT TO CO CONSISTENCY TO THEM.
THEY'RE MORE OR LESS COVER THE ENTIRE DISTRICT.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOURS IS ABOUT THE NARROWER THOUGH, I WOULD THINK.
EXCEPT, EXCEPT FOR THE ONES ON THE WEST SIDE THERE, THE WEST SIDE THERE ON RUSSELL STREET.
SOME OF THOSE ARE NARROW, THE ONE DIRECTLY BEHIND IT, UM, AT THEIR FRONTAGES.
AND UM, A LOT OF THOSE ARE ALSO AROUND 60, 60 FEET AS WELL.
UM, THESE HOUSES IN HERE ARE SOMEWHERE IN THAT REALM.
WELL FOLLOW UP A FOLLOW UP TO THAT.
ON THE SAME SUBJECT THOUGH IS HOW ARE YOU IN TERMS OF SIDE YARD SETBACKS GIVEN THE, THE, THE ENVELOPE OF YOUR HOUSE? SURE.
SO OUR SIDE YARD SETBACKS MEET THE, UM, THE
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ZONING DISTRICT'S MINIMUM.UM, WE HAVE, I PULL UP THIS PLAN.
SO ON ONE SIDE WE HAVE 12, WELL ACTUALLY WE HAVE 12 ON BOTH SIDE.
UM, OUR HOUSE IS 35 FEET WIDE.
IT WOULD HAVE A SINGLE, SINGLE CAR GARAGE.
SO IN TERMS OF A SEPARATION FROM THE HOUSES ON EITHER SIDE, YOU REALLY ARE WITHIN WHAT WOULD BE CHARACTER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF, IF THE SIDE YARD SEC JUST THE HOUSES LOOK PROBABLY SMALLER THAN MANY OF THE HOUSES IN THE OTHER LOTS, CORRECT? YEAH, ACTUALLY, SO IF I PULL UP OUR OVERALL MAP.
DID, DID YOU BRING UP THAT MAP AGAIN? SURE.
IF I PULL UP THIS MAP, IT, THE HOUSE REALLY IS NOT MUCH, UM, DIFFERENT IN SIZE THAN THE, THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, IT, IT'S FAIRLY, FAIRLY AVERAGE.
IS THIS MAP YOU WERE ASKING FOR? YEAH, I, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT MIDWAY ROAD AND YOU'RE SAYING THOSE HOUSES, THE WIDTH OF THOSE PROPERTIES, THE MIDWAY ROAD IS, IS WHAT, HOW, WHAT'S THE TYPICAL SIZE OF THE WIDTH OF THOSE HOUSES? THE, THESE ARE BELOW 75.
UM, THE HOUSES OF THE LOTS, WALTER, WHAT SHOULD WE ASK? QUESTION THOSE? THE LOTS, THE LOTS, THE WIDTH OF THE, THE LOTS SIZE.
WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF THOSE? I, I WOULD HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON EACH OF THEM INDIVIDUALLY.
UM, I JUST DID AN OVERALL, I THINK, I THINK, I THINK THEY'RE ABOUT 65.
NO, I, UM, MICHAEL'S FINE WITH HUDSON ENGINEERING.
UM, I JUST PULLED THAT MAP UP AND UM, I'M TAKING MEASUREMENTS ON.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE ROUGHLY ABOUT 61 FEET.
65 FEET, WHICH IS HOW MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE 59 THAT WE'RE.
AND AND SO THE HOUSES ARE MIDWAY ARE YOU SAID 60, 63 OR 64? 61, 62.
AND THE, AND THE WIDTH OF THIS IS 59? YES.
AND MY, AND MY OTHER QUESTION IS, IS IT POSSIBLE WE LIKE, WE LIKE GENERALLY THE MAPS TO, UH, UM, THE SITES TO BE RELATIVELY SYMMETRICAL WHERE POSSIBLE.
BUT WHAT IF YOU WERE TO MOVE THAT PROPERTY LINE ANOTHER FOOT, TWO FOOT THREE FEET, WHATEVER, TOWARDS THE WIDTH OF THAT HOUSE, THEREFORE CREASING THE WIDTH OF THAT PROPERTY? IS THAT POSSIBLE? I I THINK YOU'RE GONNA RUN INTO THE CORNER LOT GETTING TOO SMALL.
IF, IF, IF WE MOVE THAT, UM, LINE ANY FURTHER INTO THAT CORNER LOT, WE WOULD END UP NEEDING AN AREA VARIANCE.
YOU'RE ALREADY, YOU'RE ALREADY, YOU'RE ONLY AT 75 50 WALTER RIGHT NOW IN THAT CORNER LOT.
SO YOU'VE ONLY A 50 SQUARE FEET TO SPARE.
SO YOU MOVE THAT LOT AND IT'S A PRETTY LONG LOT.
SO IF YOU MOVE THAT LOT LINE, YOU'RE GONNA, AND ADDITIONALLY, RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THE LOT LINE IS, IT IS A CONTINUATION OF THE LOT NEXT TO IT.
THE FOOTPRINT OF THE PROPERTY ON THE PROPOSED LOT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S DEFINITE OR SOMETHING THAT'S PROPOSED JUST SO THAT WE COULD UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE AFTER THE TWO LOTS ARE SEPARATED? A AS OF NOW, THAT'S SCHEMATIC.
HOWEVER, IF, IF THE PLANNING BOARD MOVED FORWARD AND THIS PROJECT WAS APPROVED, THERE'LL BE AN ESTABLISHED LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO EXCEED UPON WITHOUT POTENTIALLY HAVING TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD.
UM, WHOEVER ENDS UP BUILDING A HOME ON THE PROPERTY, AGAIN, ASSUMING THE PROJECT'S APPROVED.
SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT FURTHER.
IT'S ONLY GONNA BE A ONE, YOU'RE ONLY PLANNING A ONE STORY HOUSE? NO, NO, IT WOULD BE A, IT WOULD MOST LIKELY BE A TWO STORY HOUSE.
IT WOULD BE 1200 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT.
SO YOU DELIVERED A 2,400 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE.
AND YOU HAVE ONE, ONE GARAGE WITH THAT UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING? WELL, IT WOULD BE FIRST FIRST FLOOR.
AND SO YOU HAVE ONE GARAGE AND THEN ONE DRIVEWAY PARKING SPACE.
WELL REMEMBER THE, THE DRIVEWAY PARKING SPACE HAS A TURNAROUND AS WELL.
YOU NEED TWO PARKING, YOU NEED TWO SPACES OFF STREET.
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STREET.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ANYBODY HAS AT THIS POINT? COR HAS HIS HAND UP.
THANK YOU TOM COR, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
IS THERE ANY LANDSCAPING PLAN? UM, AT, AT THIS TIME WE, WE DON'T HAVE A LANDSCAPING PLAN PUT TOGETHER, SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH THE TOWN TREE ORDINANCE AND WE ADVISED THEM OF THAT.
SO THAT WOULD BE, WE JUST WANTED TO REALLY GET THESE FOLKS ON BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY HEAR ABOUT THE PROJECT INITIALLY, BUT ALSO TO GET THAT DECLARATION OF INTENT FOR LEAD AGENCY OUT THERE BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S A
SO THERE WAS A DRAINAGE PLAN AND UM, THEY'LL BE BACK IN WORK SESSION BEFORE THIS WOULD ADVANCE TO A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THE INTENTION WAS, UM, THAT WE WOULD HOPE TO HAVE THAT AHEAD OF THE NEXT WORK SESSION.
WE WANTED TO GET SOME FEEDBACK, UM, IN TERMS OF THE ZONING VARIANCE BEFORE WE PUT TOGETHER, UM, MORE IN DEPTH PLANS OKAY.
AS WELL, INCLUDING A LANDSCAPE PLAN.
WHEN DID, WHEN DID YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHEN YOU WERE ON, ON WITH THE ZONING BOARD, DO YOU NO, WE HAVE NOT FILED WITH ZONING YET.
SO BEING THAT THEY HAVEN'T FILED, UM, WITH THE DEC DECLARATION OF INTENT IN PLACE THAT TRIGGERS THE 30 DAY THEY WOULDN'T BE ON BEFORE, UH, REALLY MARCH AT THIS TIME, THEY STILL HAVE TO FILE.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT 30 DAYS.
WE CAN TRANSMIT, UH, THE LEISURE AGENCY INTENT TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
ONCE WE HEAR BACK, WE CAN SCHEDULE THIS FOR A FOLLOW-UP WORK SESSION.
APPLICANT WILL FURTHER FURTHER DEVELOPED PLANS AND THEN THE PLANNING BOARD CAN CONSIDER, UH, A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE, DECLARING ITSELF LEAD AGENCY.
TWO, IDENTIFYING THE PROPOSED ACTION AS AN UNLISTED ACTION AND CONSIDERING A SECRET DETERMINATION AS WELL AS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD.
NOW, THE EARLIEST I'LL LAY OVER THAT, THE EARLIEST THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA GET ON THE ZONING BOARD SCHEDULE IS LATE, IS IF IT'S MARCH, IT'S THE END OF MARCH, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO IF WE DON'T, IF WE HAVE THIS ON OR MARCH, WE'RE FINE.
SO WE'D HAVE A WORK SESSION HERE WITH US EARLY MARCH WOULD GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO DEVELOP A PLAN.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND 'CAUSE WE WANNA BE IN A POSITION TO HOPEFULLY DO SEEKER AT THAT POINT AND ALSO, UH, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD.
SO BEFORE, THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO AT THE END OF THE NEXT WORK SESSION WITH, WITH THIS APPLICANT.
SO IT HAS TO BE, SO WE WOULD PLAN, WE WOULD PLAN FOR, I BELIEVE THE NEXT, UH, THE FIRST MARCH MEETING IS MARCH 2ND.
SO WE WOULD GAIN PLAN FOR THAT AND COORDINATE WITH THE APPLICANT APPROPRIATELY.
ONE, ONE LAST THING BEFORE YOU CLOSE.
COULD YOU GO BACK TO THAT PLAN THAT SHOWED ALL THE HOUSES, UH, THAT YOU HAD MARKED AND READ? I JUST WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT.
COULD YOU GO BACK TO THAT? OKAY.
IF YOU LOOK ON THE MIDWAY, YOU SEE, UH, YOU SEE WHERE IT SAYS MIDWAY ROAD? YES.
YOU SEE THE HOUSE ON THE CORNER, THAT'S NUMBER TWO.
THE NEXT CORNER IS NUMBER SIX, AND THE NEXT ONE IS NUMBER EIGHT.
WHEN I FIRST MOVED TO THE TOWN BACK IN I GUESS 1980, THAT WAS MY FIRST HOUSE IN THAT TOWN, NUMBER EIGHT MIDWAY.
AND THAT'S WHY I, AT FIRST WHEN I LOOKED AT YOUR PLAN, I SAID, BOY, THAT'S AWFUL NARROW.
BUT NOW WHEN YOU LOOK AT MIDWAY, WHICH IS 62 OR 63, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION VERSUS THIS, THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE WIDTH OF THE HOUSE THAT I FIRST BOUGHT.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE, MAKE THAT STATEMENT THAT I DID LIVE IN THAT HOUSE ON MIDWAY ROAD NUMBER EIGHT, AND THE WIDTH OF THAT COMPARED TO THE APPLICATION IS NOT THAT MUCH DIFFERENCE.
I, I BELIEVE IT, IT'S A LITTLE DECEIVING AT THIS SCALE BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH OF THE, OUR PROPERTY.
UM, SO IT GIVES IT A LITTLE, UM, DISTORTION.
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THAT FOR THE RECORD.ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A COMMENT BEFORE WE BID ADO TO THIS APPLICANT? EVENING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. HANNEY, MR. STEIN FOR ATTENDING TONIGHT.
AND I'M IN TOUCH WITH YOU ABOUT THE SCHEDULE.