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HE DID SEE A
AND THIS YEAR OUR MAYOR, UH, THE MAYOR OF NEW YORK DID NOT KILL ANY GROUNDHOG, SO IT WAS A VERY SUCCESSFUL DAY.
UM, WE'VE GOT A VERY FULL SCHEDULE TONIGHT AND I'D LIKE TO START WITH, UH, RECORDING IN PROGRESS WITH MR. SCHMIDT.
MR. SIMON? I, I THINK YOU'RE ON MUTE.
UM, THE MINUTES TO THE LAST MEETING.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS? OKAY.
ON PAGE SIX DOWN, IT LOOKED LIKE YOU WERE DEMOTED BECAUSE IT HAS ME, IT HAS ME AS TIM AND SIMON
MATT, DID YOU REALLY DO THAT? I, I THOUGHT I GOT ALL OF THE MISTAKES LIKE THAT.
I CAN'T PICK ALL THE GOOD THINGS THEY SAID ABOUT WHAT YOU DID ON THESE MINUTES THEN.
OH, IS IT THE SECOND PARAGRAPH ABOUT MIDWAY? YEAH.
ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S THE ONLY THING I FOUND.
I'D LIKE TO THANK WALTER FOR FINDING THAT IMPORTANT MISTAKE AND I ADMONISH THE REST OF THE BOARD FOR NOT FINDING THAT IMPORTANT MISTAKE.
WHAT DO WE HAVE IN CORRESPONDENCE? UM, AARON? SO WE, WE HAVE TWO ACTUALLY, UH, TWO ITEMS IN CORRESPONDENCE.
FIRST WE HAVE A REQUEST BY, UH, BRIGHTVIEW SENIOR LIVING WITH RESPECT TO THE METROPOLIS COUNTRY CLUB SITE.
UH, WE HAVE A REQUEST FROM ZIN STEINMAN'S OFFICE IN A LETTER DATED JANUARY 21ST, 2022.
AND, AND THIS RELATES TO CASE NUMBER PV 20 DASH 21.
UH, THEY WERE ISSUED THE, UH, PLANNING BOARD, PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, AND THEY DID RECEIVE AN EXTENSION THAT IS CURRENTLY VALID THROUGH MARCH 15TH, 2022.
THEY CONTINUE TO BE WORKING WITH THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND ANTICIPATE THE NEED, UM, FOR AN ADDITIONAL EXTENSION.
UM, THEY'RE REQUESTING AN ADDITIONAL 90 DAYS, SO THAT WOULD, UH, BUMP THINGS OUT FROM THE MARCH 15TH DATE.
AND WE DO HAVE DAVID COOPER AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I FELT THE LETTER WAS, UH, SUFFICIENT AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANYBODY IN THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS EXTENSION? COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO EXTEND, UH, THE APPROVAL FOR 90 DAYS, PLEASE? SO MOVED.
DO I HEAR SECOND? HEAR A SECOND FROM MR. SNAGS? ALL IN FAVOR? A AYE.
WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE? CORRESPOND? THANK YOU MR. GOOD.
SO ONE OTHER ITEM UNDER CORRESPONDENCE IS WITH RESPECT TO A CASE WE HAD LAST TIME OF THE REGENERON PROJECT FOR THE ADDITIONAL TEMPORARY PARKING LOT, IT CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD AT LAST MEETING WITH RESPECT TO AN AMENDED SITE PLAN, REFERRAL FROM THE TOWN BOARD PLANNING BOARD ISSUED A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WE HAVE SINCE FORWARDED OFF TO THE, TO THE TOWN BOARD.
UM, ONE THING THAT WASN'T BROUGHT UP, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, IS, UM, THERE'S ALSO A REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT TO GET A WAIVER FROM THE TOWN BOARD, UM, FOR THE, OF THE REQUIREMENT TO INSTALL A LANDSCAPED ISLAND EVERY 15 PARKING SPACES.
YOU MAY RECALL WITH THE PRIOR TEMPORARY PARKING LOT THAT CAME BEFORE THIS BOARD, THAT A SIMILAR WAIVER WAS REQUESTED AND THE PLANNING BOARD DID, UH, VOTE IN FAVOR OF ISSUING A WAIVER.
BEING THAT THESE ARE TEMPORARY PARKING LOTS THAT ARE GONNA BE
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REMOVED AND, AND ELIMINATED WITHIN ABOUT A FIVE YEAR PERIOD.THERE WILL BE, UH, A LOT OF LANDSCAPING, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE PLANTED ONCE THESE LOTS ARE ELIMINATED.
SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION.
IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE APPLICANT AND TO THE TOWN BOARD IF THE PLANNING BOARD VOTED ON THE WAIVER.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO WAIVE THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENT, EXCUSE ME, ON THE TEMPORARY PARKING LOT AND THE REGENERON PROPERTY.
DO I HAVE THAT MOTION? MICHAEL HAS MADE THAT MOVE.
AND THAT RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED.
AND LET'S MOVE ON TO THE FIRST BUSINESS AT HAND, WHICH IS PB 19 32, 2, UH, THE VAN NUS SUBDIVISION AND TREE REMOVAL PER FINAL SUBDIVISION AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT AT TWO 50 FORT HILL ROAD.
UM, DARREN, THE QUESTION IS, HAS THERE BEEN ANY CHANGES FOR THIS APPLICATION SINCE WE APPROVED THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION? THERE HAVE BEEN NONE.
COULD YOU PLEASE GO THROUGH ANY SPECIAL, UH, SPECIAL CONDITIONS IN THE FINAL SUBDIVISION, PLEASE? ABSOLUTELY.
SO, I, I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT, UH, IN ADDITION TO THIS SUBDIVISION, AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ INDICATED, THERE'S ALSO A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
SO THE SUBDIVISION INVOLVES SPLITTING ONE EXISTING LOT INTO TWO LOTS FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONSTRUCTING ONE NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ON THE PROPERTY THAT'S COMPLIANT WITH ALL ZONING REGULATIONS.
UM, THERE ARE 13 REGULATED TREES TO BE REMOVED AS PART OF THE PROJECT, AND THE APPLICANT'S PREPARED A LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TOWN TREE ORDINANCE.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE DRAFT DECISION WE DO, UM, I DO WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION CONDITIONS 4.1 THROUGH 4.3 ON PAGE SIX OF THE DRAFT.
AND, UH, 4.1 RELATES TO THE APPLICANT OR ITS SUCCESSOR AND INTEREST, UM, SUBMITTING ELEVATION PLANS TO THE PLANNING BOARD WITH RESPECT TO ANY PROPOSED HOME ON, ON THE NEW LOT, UH, BEFORE A BUILDING PERMIT IS ISSUED.
SO, AND THAT'S SO THAT THE PLANNING BOARD CAN ENSURE THAT THE DESIGN OF THE NEW HOUSE DOES NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT UPON THE CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING RESIDENCE TO REMAIN, WHICH DATES BACK TO THE 18 HUNDREDS AND IS LOCATED AT THE TWO 50 FORT HILL ROAD PROPERTY.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT WAS REFERRED TO THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD PLANNING BOARD WAS COGNIZANT OF THIS AND, UH, WANTED TO INCLUDE THAT CONDITION.
UH, 4.2 JUST RELATES TO THE APPLICANT OR SUCCESSOR PRUNING BACK EXISTING VEGETATION ON THE PROPERTY TO IMPROVE SITE DISTANCE FROM THE NEW DRIVEWAY SLASH CURB CUT TO BE INSTALLED TO THE EXISTING RESIDENCE.
SO THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, I BELIEVE BY MR. SIMON, AND, UH, WE'VE ADDED THAT THE APPLICANT'S AGREED TO THAT.
4.3 RELATES TO THE APPLICANT OR ITS ACCESSOR, REMOVING AND PROPERLY DISPOSING OF EXISTING OVERGROWN VEGETATION AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY TO IMPROVE THE APPEARANCE OF THE PROPERTY AND PRESERVE AN OLD STONE WALL AT THE REAR OF THE SITE.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS AT THE REQUEST OF MR. GOLDEN BASED ON A SITE VISIT THAT WE HAD CONDUCTED OUT TO THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND REALLY, BEFORE YOU CONSIDER VOTING ON THE FINAL SUBDIVISION AND THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, YOU'LL WANT TO CONSIDER VOTING TO WAIVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE FINAL SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO VOTES? YES.
MR. SAND, I FROM 4.2, IT IT INDICATES THAT THE HEDGES WILL BE CUT BACK TO ENHANCE THE, UH, UH, UH, THE LINE OF SIGHT, BUT IT DOES NOT INDICATE THAT IT HAS TO BE MAINTAINED.
SO NOT ONLY DO YOU WANT TO CUT IT BACK, YOU WANNA MAINTAIN IT THAT, UH, YOU DON'T PLANT A BUSH THERE IN THE FUTURE.
SO IT SHOULD BE, UH, THAT YOU DO THAT AND ALSO MAINTAIN THAT, UH, LINE OF SIGHT.
WE CAN ADD, WE CAN MODIFY THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO VOTES? OKAY.
THE FIRST VOTE IS ON WAIVING THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE FINAL SUBDIVISION.
COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO WAIVE THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO MOVED, CORRECT? I HAVE A SECOND.
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MR. HAYES.SECOND ONE IS TO APPROVE THE FINAL SUBDIVISION AS AMENDED.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, THE MOTION CARRIES.
THE THIRD ONE IS TO APPROVE THE, UH, TREAT REMOVAL PERMIT.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVE MR. SIMON
OKAY, THE NEXT CASE IS PB 1933, WHICH IS THE BROAD BRODSKY PUNE SUBDIVISION, WHICH WE HEARD IN PUBLIC HEARING THE LAST TIME.
UM, IT'S UP FOR A VOTE TONIGHT.
AND THAT WAS IN YOUR, THE, THE, THE APPROVAL LETTER IS IN YOUR PACKET.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE APPROVAL LETTER BEFORE WE GO TO MOTION? OKAY.
IS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY, I'M SORRY, TOM, DO YOU WANNA HAVE AARON CITE THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS ON THIS? YES, SIR.
I WAS GONNA BRING TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION A FEW OF THE CONDI SPECIAL CONDITIONS.
SO AGAIN, JUST FOR SOME BACKGROUND, IT'S CASE NUMBER PB 19 DASH 33 DUB BRODSKY SUBDIVISION LOCATED AT 2121 SAW MILL RIVER ROAD, P O Y PLAINS.
AND THE APPLICANT HAS SOUGHT PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION OF ONE EXISTING LOT INTO TWO LOTS FOR THE PURPOSE OF RESOLVING THE ISSUE OF MORE THAN ONE DWELLING OR PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE ON A SINGLE LOT.
THERE IS NO CONSTRUCTION OR SITE DISTURBANCE PROPOSED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION ON DECEMBER 16TH, 2021.
THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS GRANTED THE FOUR REQUIRED AREA VARIANCES REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
UH, THE PROJECT WAS LAST DISCUSSED AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ MENTIONED AS PART OF A PUBLIC HEARING ON JANUARY 19TH, 2022.
NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED SINCE THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED.
I DID WANT TO CALL TO YOUR ATTENTION CONDITIONS 4.1 AND 4.2 ON PAGE THREE, 4.1.
UM, 4.1 STATES THE APPLICANT OR SUCCESSOR AND INTEREST SHALL CAUSE TO HAVE ANY FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS TO EITHER OF THE LOTS, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO CONSTRUCTION, DEMOLITION, AND OR RENOVATION ACTIVITIES BE REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD.
AND FURTHER THAT ANY IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRED IN ORDER TO REMEDY OPEN VIOLATIONS WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT BE REVIEWED BY THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD.
AND THIS WAS DISCUSSED, UH, PRIOR, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THE REVIEW OF THIS PROJECT.
UH, AT THE REQUEST OF THE, THE HISTORIC BOARD READS, THE APPLICANT SHALL FILE A DEEDED RESTRICTION WITH THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY CLERK DIVISION OF LAND RECORDS AFTER APPROVAL BY THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE STATING THAT ANY FUTURE DEMOLITION SLASH ALTERATION OF THE EXISTING RESIDENCE ON PROPOSED LOT TWO BE SUBMITTED TO AND APPROVED BY THE TOWN OF GREENBURG PLANNING BOARD AS PART OF AN AMENDED SUBDIVISION IMPROVEMENT PLAN APPLICATION PROCESS WITH REFERRAL TO THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD FOR REVIEW WITH CONSISTENCY, UH, OF CONSISTENCY WITH THE ADJACENT LANDMARKED VANTA TASSEL ROME HOUSE.
NOW, IF YOU RECALL, ONE OF THE STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY DATES WAY BACK AND, UH, IS ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER, IN FACT.
SO IT'S VERY SENSITIVE AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ANY ALTERATIONS WERE IMPROVEMENTS ARE REVIEWED BEFORE THEY'RE, UM, COMPLETED, CONDUCTED.
SO THOSE TWO CONDITIONS I WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? NOBODY.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION THEN TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION FOR PB 1933? DID WE DO SEEK WE'VE DONE SECRET ON THIS YES.
SO LU, I'M ENTERTAINING A MOTION TO APPROVE THE
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HAY SECONDS.IT DO I ALL IN FAVOR? A AYE AYE.
THIS, THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME, THIS PROJECT IN GETTING DONE.
I REMEMBER IT STARTING BEFORE COVID AND IT'S NICE TO SEE IT FINALLY COMPLETED.
OKAY, BARBARA, WE'RE GONNA GO RIGHT INTO PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, SO I GUESS WE SHOULD OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TIME.
UM, DO YOU WANNA CALL THE ROLL AGAIN FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, WELCOME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR PLANNING BOARD MEETING FOR THIS EVENING.
WE ONLY HAVE, WE HAVE ONE CASE ON IT'S CASE, PB 2128, WHICH IS PATEL.
UM, AARON, CAN YOU GIVE A BRIEF DESCRIPTION, THEN WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT? ABSOLUTELY.
SO AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ INDICATED, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR PUBLIC HEARING IS CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 28 PATEL LOCATED AT 25 BAYBERRY ROAD, PO ELMSFORD IN THE R 41 FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT SEEKS A WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION OF AN EXISTING ONE.
FAMILY DWELLING ALONG WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ONE.
FAMILY DWELLING PREDOMINANTLY WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING RESIDENCE ALONG WITH RELATED IMPROVEMENTS.
THE WATERCOURSE AND WATERCOURSE BUFFER AREA ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 35,591 SQUARE FEET AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING APPROXIMATELY 5,670 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE ALL WITHIN THE REGULATED BUFFER AREA.
NO DIRECT DISTURBANCE IS PROPOSED, UH, TO THE WATER COURSE.
THE APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY APPLIED FOR AND WAS GRANTED A MINOR PROJECT WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT AS PART OF CASE NUMBER PE 21 DASH TWO INVOLVING RESIDENTIAL ADDITIONS TO THE EXISTING RESIDENCE.
FOLLOWING APPROVAL OF THAT PROJECT, THE APPLICANT PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS TO ITS PLANS, WHICH NECESSITATE A NEW WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT APPROVAL AS DETERMINED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AND TOWN WETLANDS INSPECTOR.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE, AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
I DID WANNA NOTE THAT THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN FORWARDED TO THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD AS IT INVOLVES THE DEMOLITION OF A STRUCTURE MORE THAN 50 YEARS OLD.
I ANTICIPATE THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL WILL BE CONSIDERED DURING THE FEBRUARY 8TH HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING.
I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO MR. BUCK TO PRESENT THE PROJECT.
UH, WE HAVE ENABLED THE SHARE SCREEN FOR YOUR BENEFIT, SO PLEASE WALK US THROUGH THE PROJECT FOR THE BENEFIT OF PARTICULARLY OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
I KNOW THE BOARD IS FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT AND THEN ALSO EXPLAIN THE REVISIONS AND OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU, UM, TOOK CARE OF FOLLOWING THE WORK SESSION, PLEASE.
I WORK FOR ENGINEERING PROPERTIES.
I'M HERE PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
I'LL SHARE MY SCREEN HERE SO YOU CAN ALL SEE THE PLAN.
SO, UH, TO FILL IN THE PUBLIC MORE, CAN YOU JUST BLOW IT UP JUST TO TOUCH, BECAUSE ALREADY IT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALL.
NO, SO AS AARON MENTIONED, THE PROPOSAL BEFORE THE BOARD IS FOR THE DEMOLITION OF AN EXISTING, UH, ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW RESIDENCE WITHIN PREDOMINANTLY THE SAME BUILDING FOOTPRINT.
UH, THIS SITE PLAN HAS BEEN PREPARED DEMONSTRATING EACH STEP OF THE PROCESS SINCE FIRST PAGE DEMONSTRATES WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ITEMS ON THE PROPERTY ARE GOING TO BE REMOVED.
UM, PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION NEW RESIDENCE, UH, WE NOTED ON THE PLAN, AS AARON MENTIONED, THE ADJACENT AREA BUFFER FOR THE WORK FOR THE WATERCOURSE AND MOST, MOST OF THE PARCEL FALLS WITHIN THIS BUFFER AREA.
THIS IS THE FOOTPRINT OF B'S RESIDENCE, ALONG WITH SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, MODIFICATIONS THAT ARE GONNA BE DONE TO THE SITE, INCLUDING THE RETAINING WALL ALONG THE BACK FACE OF THE, UM, PROPERTY BACK FACE OF THE, UH, PATIO AREA, FLAGSTONE PATIO IN THE FRONT OR IN THE REAR, SORRY, IN, UH, FLAGSTONE PATIO WALKWAY IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
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SINCE OUR LAST SUBMISSION, WE ADDED A PROPOSED UNDERGROUND COAL TECH, UH, STORMWATER SYSTEM.AND I'LL, I'LL GO INTO MORE DETAIL, UH, ON THAT IN A LITTLE BIT.
WE LOCATED IT IN THE REAR OF THE LOT WHERE THE, UH, PREVIOUS ENGINEER WHO WAS WORKING ON THE PROJECT SHOWED THEIR UNDERGROUND SYSTEM.
WE, UH, ALSO HAVE A PAGE SHOWING THE EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL PRACTICES THAT WERE PUT INTO PLACE DURING CONSTRUCTION TO ENSURE PROTECTION OF THE WATERCOURSE AND, AND TO PREVENT POLLUTION, UH, TO THE WATERCOURSE, UH, SILT FENCE, CONSTRUCTION FENCE DENOTING WHAT AREAS ARE NOT TO BE DISTURBED.
UH, CONCRETE WASHOUT FOR CONCRETE POURING THAT THEIR, THEIR CONCRETE IS, UH, CONTAINED INTO A, UH, SAFE LOCATION.
WE HAVE A LANDSCAPING PLAN SHOWING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE, UH, WATERCOURSE ADJACENT BUFFER AREA.
I WORK WITH AARON DETERMINING THAT TYPE TREES AND, AND OTHER, UH, SHRUBS TO PUT IN.
THIS JUST BUFFERING THE, THE PROPOSED RESIDENCE FROM THAT STREAM AND, AND, UH, NOT ONLY MITIGATING IT, BUT ENHANCING IT AS WELL.
AND THEN I'LL GO INTO THE DETAILS.
SO, AS, AS WAS DISCUSSED AT THE, UH, PREVIOUS BOARD MEETING, WE WANTED TO CAPTURE AS MUCH STORMWATER AS POSSIBLE.
AND AS IT WAS MENTIONED, UH, THE 50 YEAR STORM IS THE NEW 25 YEAR STORM.
SO IN OUR STORMWATER ANALYSIS, WE'VE DESIGNED THE UNDERGROUND SYSTEM TO DETAIN THE 50 YEAR STORM AND, UH, NOT ONLY JUST DETAIN THE 50 YEAR STORM, WE'RE DETAINING THE, UH, ENTIRE, THE ENTIRETY OF THE INCREASE IN RUNOFF.
AND I'LL, I'LL GIVE SOME MORE NUMBERS ON THAT ON THE NEXT PAGE.
UM, BUT THIS SHEET GIVES JUST SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE UNDERGONE SYSTEM.
UH, THE NUMBER OF PDFS, I'M SORRY, THE PAGES
JUST GONNA BACK UP A FEW PAGES HERE TO DEMONSTRATE HOW THE SYSTEM IS GOING TO BE UTILIZED AND HOW IT'LL CAPTURE THE STORM ORDER FROM THE POST, UH, MODIFICATIONS.
SO THE ROOF LEADERS OF THE HOUSE ARE GOING TO TIE INTO AN UNDERGROUND, UM, PIPE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IN THE REAR OF THE HOUSE.
THAT PIPE IS GOING TO LEAVE THE STONE WATER FROM THE RESIDENCE TO THE BACKYARD WHERE WE HAVE A, UH, SMALL JUNCTION BOX.
UH, THAT JUNCTION BOX IS BEING USED TO CONNECT THE ROOF LEADERS.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING, ON THE PAGE BACK, WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING A TRENCH DRAIN THAT'S GONNA BE PLACED ALONG THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE PATIO.
SO WATER THAT'S FLOW ON THE PATIO WILL RUN OFF INTO THE TRENCH DRAIN, AND THAT WILL ALSO BE ROUTED INTO THE UNDERGROUND DETENTION SYSTEM.
JUST BRIEFLY, I'LL GO OVER THE NUMBERS.
WE CALCULATED THE EXISTING RUNOFF FROM THE PROPERTY BEFORE ANY MODIFICATIONS ARE MADE TO BE 2,835 GALLONS.
AND UNDER THE, UNDER THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS, AFTER THE NEW IMPERVIOUS AREA BEING ADDED, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY ZERO POINT OR 0.02 ACRES, WILL BE A TOTAL OF 404,151 GALLONS OF RUNOFF.
SO A NET INCREASE OF 1,316 GALLONS.
UH, THE CULTEC CHAMBER SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO STORE 4,436 GALLONS, UH, THREE TIMES GREATER THAN THE NET INCREASE IN DETAINING THE ENTIRETY OF THE 50 YEAR STORM.
UH, THESE PLANS OR THE STORMWATER ASPECT OF THE PLAN HAS BEEN REVIEWED, REVIEWED BY, UH, JAMES MEEN.
UH, WE RECEIVED CORRESPONDENCE FROM HIM, UH, JANUARY 25TH, SAYING FROM A ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE THAT THESE PLANS ARE SUFFICIENT FOR APPROVAL.
BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, COMMENTS THE BOARD MAY HAVE IN THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? MR. SIMON? UH, I, I'M JUST, UH, YOU SUBMITTED A HYDROGRAPH REPORT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT AND READING IT CORRECTLY.
UH, FOR THE LAWN AREA, YOU HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS QP IS EQUAL TO 0.12 CUBIC FEET PER SECOND.
I ASSUME THAT'S THE RUNOFF RATE BECAUSE IT IS LOWER THAN IF THAT'S THE RUNOFF RATE IS IT'S QUITE, YEAH.
LOGICALLY IT'S LESS THAN THE, UH, IMPERIOUS, UH, SURFACE RUNOFF RATE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M, I'M INTERPRETING THE GRAPH CORRECTLY.
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THE PEAK FLOW IN THE PROPOSED CONDITION WILL BE HIGHER THAN THE EXISTING CONDITION.THE OTHER QUESTION IS, UH, IS THERE ANY, UH, UH, IS THE DRIVEWAY, UH, LEVEL OR DOES IT TILT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER? MY QUESTION IS IF THE DRIVEWAY TILTS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, UH, A POSSIBILITY OF A CATCH BASIN IF IT TILTS TOWARDS THE HOUSE AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY AND IF IT TILTS TOWARDS THE ROAD, UH, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DRIVEWAY AND JUST PIPE THAT INTO YOUR EXISTING SYSTEM.
IS THERE ANY, HOW LEVEL IS THE DRIVEWAY? THE, THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY SLOPES AWAY FROM THE HOUSE? WE HAVE OUR FIRST FLOOR AT THREE 70.4 AND THERE'S A SPOT GRADE KIND OF AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY HERE.
UH, THERE ARE NO MODIFICATIONS PROPOSED TO THE DRIVEWAY.
UH, SO THE WATER THAT LANDS ON THE DRIVEWAY IS GONNA RUN OFF INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY OF BAYBERRY WHERE THERE IS A CATCH BASIN ALREADY.
SO THE WATER RUNNING FROM THERE WILL BE DETAINED AND THE EXISTING STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO IT RUNS RIGHT INTO THE CATCH BASIN ON THE ROAD? CORRECT.
UH, THOSE ONLY QUE THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS? OKAY, MR. SCHU, DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT? MR. BUCK, IF YOU COULD TAKE DOWN THE SHARE SCREEN MOMENTARILY AND HAVE SOMEONE SIGN UP THAT WAS INTERESTED IN AT LEAST OBSERVING.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS MS. ANDRE, ARE YOU ON THIS EVENING? AND IF SO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? SURE.
I ALSO SEE MR. BODEN STAND HIMSELF AND MR. BODEN JUST CHATTED TO ME THAT HE IS NOT GOING TO SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, NOT AT THIS TIME.
IN WHICH CASE, UM, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL WHEN AARON, THE STAFF WOULD SUGGEST FEBRUARY 9TH.
KEEP THE O THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL FEBRUARY 9TH.
NOW CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SECTION OF OUR MEETING THIS EVENING? SO MOVED.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK, WE'LL GO BACK INTO MOTION CARRIES.
WE'RE GONNA GO BACK INTO WORK SESSION AND I BELIEVE THAT'S IT FOR BARBARA FOR TONIGHT.
AARON, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
I WAS JUST GONNA ANNOUNCE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE, THE APPLICANT THAT MR. BUCK AND, AND HIS CLIENT THAT, UH, THE BOARD HAS OBVIOUSLY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING AND STAFF WILL PREPARE A DRAFT DECISION FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION ON FEBRUARY 16TH, TWO WEEKS FROM THIS EVENING.
UM, I'LL ALSO WAIT AND, UM, I'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD.
I KNOW I'VE SUBMITTED MATERIALS TO MR. DESAI WHO SITS ON THAT BOARD.
SO I'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH THAT BOARD AND, UM, I SUSPECT IF THEY WANT YOU TO ATTEND, WE'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU ON THAT AS WELL.
SO JUST, UH, FOR FOLLOW UP, UM, THE, THE HAIR IS CLOSED ON, UH, ON THE APPLICATION.
UH, COULD YOU ASK THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, EXPLAIN WHAT CHIEF P MEANS? THAT'S ALL ON THE, ON THE, ON THESE, UH, GRAPHS.
MR. BUCK, COULD YOU DO THAT RIGHT NOW? OH, ARE WE STILL HERE? HE STILL HERE? I'M STILL HERE.
COULD YOU DO THAT FOR US, PLEASE? YES.
WELL, I, IT'S NOT MY INTENTION TO KEEP THE HEARING GOING IF NO, IT'S, IT'S ALL RIGHT.
CC'S HERE, BUT I GET THE ANSWER THE QP STANDS FOR.
IT'S, IT'S A VARIABLE THAT'S FOR CUBIC FEET PER SECOND.
SO THAT'S, IT'S JUST DONATING, UH, UM, UM, INDICATING THE RATE OF RUNOFF.
THANK YOU FOR HANGING IN THERE, BARBARA.
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UM, WE'LL GO ON TO NEW BUSINESS NOW.WE HAVE CASE, UH, PLANNING BOARD 21 DASH 34, WHICH IS SHAW, UH, 25 THOMAS STREET.
IT'S A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION.
WE, UH, HAD A PREVIOUS WORK SESSION ON THIS, AND THEY'RE BACK.
UM, THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS I BELIEVE THAT WE HAD THE LAST TIME.
UM, CAN YOU JUST REVIEW WHERE, WHERE WE STAND WITH THIS, PLEASE, FOR EVERYBODY? SURE.
SO, SO YOU AND I HAD DISCUSSED IT CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ, BUT IT HADN'T COME BEFORE THE BOARD ACTUALLY AS OF YET IN A FORM SINCE.
UH, AGAIN, CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 34, THE SHAW PROJECT LOCATED AT 25 THOMAS STREET, UH, PO SCARSDALE AND NEW YORK 21 FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPLICATION INVOLVING THE PROPOSED RE SUBDIVISION OF TWO LOTS INTO ONE LOT TO FACILITATE AN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING ONE.
FAMILY RESIDENCE PARCEL 19 NOTED KNOWN AS 25 THOMAS STREET CONTAINS A ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND ASSOCIATED IMPROVEMENTS AND CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 45,302 SQUARE FEET.
PARCEL 18.2 CONTAINS MINOR IMPROVEMENTS, PREDOMINANTLY THE DRIVEWAY FOR THE 25 THOMAS STREET RESIDENCE, AND CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 3,485 SQUARE FEET.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING IN ADDITION TO THE REAR OF ITS EXISTING RESIDENCE, AND IS APPLYING FOR THIS RE SUBDIVISION IN ORDER TO MEET THE FLOOR AREA RATIO REQUIREMENT OF THE DISTRICT MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA PERMITTED ONCE THE LOTS ARE COMBINED IS 8123.3 SQUARE FEET, AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING WITH THE ADDITION OF GROSS FLOOR AREA OF 8109.6 SQUARE FEET.
FOLLOWING TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION, THE BOARD MAY CONSIDER SCHEDULING THIS PROJECT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING OR IF NECESSARY, A SECOND BOARD SESSION.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT THIS EVENING AND FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.
OKAY, AARON, ARE WE GOING TO, WOULD YOU RECOMMEND WE DO SEEKER TONIGHT OR WAIT TO THE, TO THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING? UM, SO PRELIMINARILY, THIS PROJECT DOES QUALIFY AS AN UNLISTED ACTION.
WE HAVEN'T PREPARED A SEEKER, UM OKAY.
DOCUMENT AS OF YET, SO WE'LL DO THAT AHEAD OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
MY NAME IS STEVE ELLI FROM LARUSSO, KDO SCHWARTZ, AND KDO.
AND IT'S GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE THIS EVENING.
UM, MR. SCHMIDT HAD DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF KIND OF SUMMARIZING, UM, THE NATURE OF THE APPLICATION.
THE PROPERTY, UM, IS A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, DWELLING, OCCUPIED BY MY CLIENTS, MR. AND MRS. SHAW.
UM, I ALSO HAVE WITH ME, UH, THE PROJECT ARCHITECT, SARAH, UH, GOMA, UH, WHO DESIGNED THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH, UH, SPECIFICALLY INCLUDE A ONE STORY EDITION, UH, PROPOSED PATIO AND A PROPOSED SOLARIUM.
UM, ALL OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE ON THE NORTH EAST SIDE WITH THE REAR OF THE EXISTING FAM, UH, SINGLE FAMILY STRUCTURE.
UM, THE, THE, THE IMPETUS FOR THE APPLICATION IS THERE, RIGHT NOW THEY ARE TWO, TWO LOTS, UH, LOT 19 AND LOT 18.2.
AND IN ORDER TO, UM, PROSECUTE THE IMPROVEMENTS AND ALSO TO BE IN CLIENT TO BE IN COMPLIANCE, FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE TOWN'S ZONING CODE, UM, WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU TO, FOR THE, UH, RE SUBDIVISION APPLICATION TO JOIN THE TWO LOTS INTO ONE.
SO THAT, ONCE AGAIN, WE CAN PROCEED WITH THE PROJECT IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE TOWN ZONING CODE.
IF, IF THE BOARD, UM, HAS ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS, UH, THE ARCHITECT, UM, IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER THOSE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
UH, SHOULD THE BOARD WISH I, I'D LIKE HIM TO DESCRIBE THE ARCHITECT TO DESCRIBE THE IMPROVEMENTS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE BOARD.
WE'LL DO, MR. CHAIRMAN, SARAH, CAN YOU, AND WE'VE ENABLED THE SHARE SCREEN IF YOU PREFER TO SHARE, I CAN STOP SHARING.
AND LET ME, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE ZONING, UH, STUDY.
BUT LET ME BRING A CLEAR PLAN.
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UM, AS DESCRIBED, UH, THIS IS A, UH, REAR EXTENSION, UH, TO THE HOUSE, UH, ESSENTIALLY, UH, EXTENSION OF THE, UM, OF THE LIVING AREA, UH, ON THE FIRST FLOOR.UH, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE, UH, DEMOLITION PLAN, UM, THIRD PORTION OF THE, UH, FIRST FLOOR WILL BE DEMOLISHED, INCLUDING THE KITCHEN, DINING ROOM DEN, AND LIVING ROOM IN THE, IN THE INTERIOR CENTER FOR ME.
IS THAT ME OR IT'S YOU? IT'S YOU.
BUT HOW DO, HOW DID I GET BACK TO SEE, I SEE EVERYONE AT WHAT? THE SHARED SCREEN? I DUNNO.
THAT WOULD BE, YOU MAY SOMETHING WITH OPTIONS.
WHY DON'T WE JUST HOLD UP TO CH VISTA, SIMON COMES BACK.
MR. CHAIRMAN SHOULDN'T NEED TO THAT HE'S ALREADY COME, HE'S ALREADY COMING BACK.
AT THE END OF THE NIGHT, PUT THIS ON, UH, MR. SIMON'S TAB.
IT'S PENALTY FOR YOU, WALTER, FOR LATER THE THEATER.
OKAY, LET'S PROCEED HEARING ABOUT THIS.
SO, ESSENCE, IN THE FIRST FLOOR, UM, THIS ENTIRE REAR WALL, UH, WILL GET EXTENDED.
THIS PORTION WILL, WILL EXTEND OUT ABOUT FIVE FEET, EXTENDING THE KITCHEN, BREAKFAST ROOM, AND LIVING ROOM.
AND IN THE LIVING ROOM, UH, THERE WILL BE AN EXTENSION HERE THAT'S 15 FEET, ALONG WITH A, UH, 10 FEET DEEP, UH, SOLARIUM STRUCTURE, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY, UM, IT, IT'S LIKE A GREENHOUSE.
UH, IT'LL HAVE SEVERAL WINDOWS IN IT AND IT'LL BE BUBBLE HEIGHT.
AND I THINK, UH, LET ME SHOW THE ELEVATIONS.
I THINK THIS, THAT WILL PAINT A CLEARER PICTURE.
THESE ARE THE, UH, RENDERINGS OF THE PROPOSED EDITION.
UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, THERE'S A DOUBLE HEIGHT SPACE.
UH, THE THING TO NOTE WITH THIS APPLICATION IS, UM, ONE OF THE REASONS THE, UH, FLOOR AREA IS INCREASING SO MUCH IS BECAUSE IT'S A DOUBLE HEIGHT SPACE.
UH, IT'S OVER 16 FEET HIGH ON THE INSIDE.
SO THE, THE, THE VOID IS COUNTED TWICE ANOTHER, THE VOID IS COUNTED AS FLOOR AREA, ESSENTIALLY.
AND THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE ARE PURSUING THE, THE ROT MERGER TO OBTAIN THIS FLOOR AREA.
I CAN, UH, RE REVERT BACK TO PLANS JUST TO ILLUMINATE THAT POINT.
UM, ON THE SECOND FLOOR, YEAH, ON THE SECOND FLOOR, YOU'LL SEE HERE, UH, THERE IS ACTUALLY NO REAR EXTENSION EXCEPT AT THE SOLARIUM AREA WHERE THERE IS AN INTERIOR TERRACE AND THE OPEN PORTION BELOW.
SO THE SOLARIUM IS ABOUT, UH, 20 FEET TALL BELOW THE RIDGE LINE BELOW THE, UM, THE GABLE LINE OF THE ROOF.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YEAH, COULD YOU SHOW THE TWO LOTS NEAR THE LINES OF THE TWO LOTS? SURE.
UM, UH, AND, UH, SO OUR MAIN LOT IS 19.
UM, WHERE'S THE OUTLINE THAT LOT? OH, IT'S, UM, I CAN HIGHLIGHT THAT.
IT'S NOT EASY TO SEE ON THIS MAP.
UH, I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT IT RIGHT HERE.
OH, JUST THAT PIECE THERE,
REMEMBER THAT WASN'T EVEN A BUILDING LOT THEN.
IT LOOKS LIKE JUST A STRIP OF LAND.
IT WAS A STRIP OF LAND THAT, UM, WAS SOME SORT OF LEFTOVER PARCEL THAT, UH, OUR CLIENT HAD PURCHASED.
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30 FEET WIDE, BUT THERE WAS ACTUALLY ALREADY AN AGREEMENT IN THERE, BUT TO SPLIT IT IN HALF, IN FACT.SO IT WASN'T BUILDABLE, IT WAS NOT BUILDABLE ANY NO, IT WAS NOT BUILDABLE.
IT'S A SOMEWHAT UNIQUE SITUATION.
UH, FOR SURE, YOU KNOW, NOT, IT'S AMAZING THAT IT WAS TECH, IT'S AMAZING.
IT WAS TECH SEPARATELY, RIGHT? YES.
AND MY OTHER, GO AHEAD, WALTER.
IF, IF IT WAS NOT THE STRIP OF PROPERTY, WOULD THERE BE ANY REASON WHY YOU WOULD COME TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO MAKE THIS ADJUSTMENT? WE WOULD FALL SHORT OF THE REQUIRED FLOOR AREA, UM, THE BUILDABLE FLOOR AREA WITHOUT THE ADDITION OF THAT STRIP.
YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING IF IT WASN'T FOR THAT, WAS THERE ANY OH, RIGHT.
IS THERE, IS THERE STEEP SMOKES OR WETLANDS? THAT'S MY, OH, NO.
ZONING WAS THE ONLY, UM, OBJECTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YEAH, YOU, I HAVE A QUESTION.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE FLOOR AREA OF THE EXISTING BUILDING? UH, IT IS ROUGHLY, UH, I BELIEVE I HAVE THE ORIGINAL, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS OVER SEVEN, 7,000 I BELIEVE.
IF WE CAN LOOK THAT UP REALLY QUICK.
UM, STEVEN, DO YOU HAVE THAT HANDY? THE ORIGINAL FLOOR AREA? OH, UH, THE, FOR THE EXISTING? YEAH, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S IN THE, UH, TAX RECORD.
UM, THE, THE EXISTING FLOOR, UH, HOUSE, UM, AREA.
I, I, I DON'T HAVE THAT HANDY.
LET, LET ME ASK MY SECOND QUESTION.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THE PERMISSIBLE FLOOR AREA UNDER YOUR EXISTING LOT? BEFORE THE SUBDIVISION? OH, OKAY.
UM, YEAH, WE HAVE THE, I, I, I GOT IT RIGHT HERE.
AND WHAT'S THE F A R BASED ON THE CURRENT WATER AREAS, WHAT MARK WAS ASKING? RIGHT TABLE, I BELIEVE THE FLOOR AREA THERE TIMES JUST FOR LOT 19.
I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE AROUND 7,500 SQUARE FEET.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE ABOUT 600 SQUARE FEET OVER.
IF YOU DIDN'T DO THIS RE SUBDIVISION, CORRECT? CORRECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
UM, I, MY BELIEF IS, IS WE COULD SET A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS FOR THE NEXT MEETING, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS AN OBJECTION TO THAT.
WE DON'T NEED A VOTE TO DO THAT, RIGHT, AARON? TO SCHEDULE IT A PUBLIC HEARING? NO, NO, WE DON'T.
UM, AND WE SPOKE ABOUT THAT AS AN OPTION.
I DON'T EXPECT THIS WILL BE A LONG PUBLIC HEARING EITHER.
THERE'S REALLY NO REASON FOR IT.
MARTY, DO YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? MARTY, YOU'RE ON MUTE.
I HAVE NO COMMENT AT THIS TIME.
UM, HAVE THEY SPOKEN TO ANY OF THEIR NEIGHBORS ABOUT THIS? ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS FROM THE NEIGHBORS? UH, WE SPOKE TO, UH, I THINK ONE NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE ROAD.
UM, YEAH, WE'VE, WE, IN FACT, WE'VE SHARED THE WHOLE SCOPE WITH THEM.
IS THAT, IS THAT NUMBER, IS THAT 23? SO I, I THINK SO.
UM, BUT WE, WE'VE, UM, OUR CLIENTS, YOU KNOW, THEY KEEP IN TOUCH WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS AND THEY, THEY KNOW THEY'RE AWARE OF THE SITUATION TOO.
BECAUSE IT'S GONNA COME UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
IS ANYBODY GONNA, ARE WE EXPECTING TO HEAR FROM ANYBODY?
I I WILL, WE, WE'LL, WE'LL SPEAK TO OUR CLIENT.
IF THEY KNOW IN ADVANCE AND RIGHT.
TO BE SURE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T, BLINDSIDING NEIGHBORS DOESN'T WORK VERY WELL,
SO IT'S VERY, IF THEY'RE INFORMED UPFRONT, AND I DO KNOW, I DO KNOW TO YOUR REAR, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME LARGER PROPERTIES
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THAT MAY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, BUT WOULD FIND OUT AS PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.SO AS THE COURTESY TO THE EXTENT YOU CAN EXTEND A COURTESY AND NOTIFY 'EM, THAT'D BE GOOD.
IT'S ALWAYS BETTER TO COME FROM YOU THAN
AND SPEAKING OF THAT, NOTICE TOWN STAFF WILL PREPARE THAT, UH, BETWEEN TOMORROW AND FRIDAY.
THERE'S ALSO A, I'M SORRY, THERE ARE, THERE'S ALSO A REQUIREMENT THAT SIGNAGE BE PLACED AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, FACING THOMAS STREET.
SO THAT PASSERSBY, YOU KNOW, CAN SEE THE SIGN AND, AND CALL INTO THE TOWN HALL IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANNA GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE NEXT, THE NEXT TWO PRO PROJECTS ARE BOTH, ARE ARE SIMILAR.
AND THEY ARE OUR FIRST TWO PROJECTS UNDERNEATH OUR NEW BATTERY, UH, STORAGE LAW THAT WAS ENACTED THIS SUMMER, UM, WRITTEN BY GARRETT, THE EXCELLENT JOB OF WRITING THE LAW.
JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.
THAT LAW WAS WRITTEN BY GARRETT WITH THE GUIDANCE OF A, UM, A CITIZENS BOARD, UH, CITIZENS COMMITTEE, I SHOULD SAY.
UH, TWO OF US FROM THIS BOARD, MYSELF AND MR. SIMON WERE ON THAT COMMITTEE ALONG WITH MEMBERS OF THE TWO MEMBERS OF THE C A C.
UH, WERE ON THAT COMMITTEE AS WELL THAT DRAFTED THE LAW.
IT WAS DONE IN CONS, CONSULTATION, THE STATE ENERGY REGULATORY COMMISSION FOR THIS AREA, NICE SODA.
IT WAS ALSO DONE IN CONSULTATION WITH CONED AND AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT BASED ON WHAT WE ACTUALLY LEARNED OUT OF THE EAGLE ENERGY PROJECT ABOUT BATTERY STORAGE.
UH, WE LEARNED AN AWFUL LOT DURING THAT BAT HEARING, AND IT LED TO A LAW THAT WE HAVE PUT ON THE BOOKS.
NOW, WE, WE HAD SEEN THIS, THESE PREVIOUS TO THAT ACTUALLY IN 2020, THESE TWO, TWO PROJECTS.
AND, UM, THEY'VE COME BACK, UH, SINCE THEN, UM, WITH THE NEW, UNDER THE NEW LAW, UNDERSTANDING THE NEW LAW.
AND WE'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION TONIGHT.
BUT THE WAY I'D LIKE TO START IS I WOULD LIKE NOW AND JUST TAKE COUPLE MINUTES AND HIGHLIGHT, UM, THE PARAMETERS OF THE NEW LAW FOR NOT ONLY THE BOARD, BUT FOR THE PUBLIC.
UM, THIS UNDER OUR NEW LAW, IT'S OUR NEW LAW IS IN TIER TEARS, NOT THE KIND THAT COME FROM YOUR EYES, BUT TEARS.
UM, AND BASED ON THE, THE CAPACITY OF THE, OF THE BATTERY STORAGE, AND THIS IS A TIER, TIER TWO UNDER OUR NEW LAW, AND THAT'S WHAT AARON WILL FOCUS ON.
THANK YOU, CHAIR PERSON, SCHWARTZ.
SO AS YOU MENTIONED, UH, WE DO HAVE TWO PROJECTS, UH, COMING BEFORE THE BOARD.
THE FIRST OF WHICH IS CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 32 AT THE MIDWAY SHOPPING CENTER, UH, APPLICANT, I P P SOLAR INTEGRATION, L L C, AS I MENTIONED, FOR A PROJECT LOCATED AT THE MIDWAY SHOPPING CENTER, NINE 13 DASH 9 99 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE SOUTH.
AARON, WOULD YOU PLEASE GO INTO THE, BEFORE WE GO INTO THE DETAILS OF THE PROJECT, I WANTED TO GO THROUGH THE LAW BEFORE WE GO INTO THE DETAILS OF THE PROJECT, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
SO, BOARD MEMBERS AND, AND, AND FOLKS WATCHING AT HOME, YOU MAY RECALL THAT IN 2021, THE TOWN BOARD ADOPTED A LOCAL LAW REGULATING BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. THIS APPLICATION AT THE MIDWAY SHOPPING CENTER, AS WELL AS THE NEXT APPLICATION WE WILL BE DISCUSSING AT THE GREENVILLE SHOPPING CENTER, QUALIFIES TIER TWO BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS, WHICH ARE PERMITTED THROUGH THE ISSUANCE OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL BY THE TOWN OF GREENBERG PLANNING BOARD WITHIN THE CA DISTRICT.
AS THESE ARE SUBJECT TO CERTAIN STANDARDS AND REQUIREMENTS AS OUTLINED IN THE CODE, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE SUBMISSION OF AN ACCURATE AND ADEQUATE COMMISSIONING PLAN, FIRE SAFETY COMPLIANCE PLAN, OPERATION MAINTENANCE AND MONITORING, MANUAL EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN, DECOMMISSIONING PLAN AND DECOMMISSIONING FUND, AS WELL AS PROPER SAFETY MEASURES, ALL OF WHICH WILL BE DISCUSSED IN DETAIL BY THE APPLICANT'S TEAM.
TIER TWO, BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS
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MAY BE SITUATED ON LOTS WITH A MINIMUM OF 80,000 SQUARE FEET WITHIN THE CA DISTRICT, WHICH THE SUBJECT SITES COMPLY WITH.THE SYSTEM ITSELF CANNOT EXCEED 6,000 KILOWATT HOURS.
THE FOOTPRINT MAY NOT EXCEED 1400 SQUARE FEET AND THE HEIGHT MAY NOT EXCEED 10 FEET.
WITHIN THE CA DISTRICT, WHICH THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL COMPLIES WITH APPROPRIATE FENCING AND SCREENING ARE REQUIRED AND ARE BEING PROVIDED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROPOSAL, WHICH AGAIN, THE APPLICANT WILL WALK US ALL THROUGH IN GREATER DETAIL MOMENTARILY.
WITH RESPECT TO SETBACKS, TIER TWO BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS IN CA DISTRICT SHALL BE SET BACK A MINIMUM OF 100 FEET FROM ALL PROPERTY LINES UNLESS REDUCED BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
IN INSTANCES WHERE SUCH REDUCTION IS SUPPORTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE HAZARD MITIGATION ANALYSIS TO THE BOARD SATISFACTION, BUT IN NO CASE CLOSER THAN 50 FEET TO ANY PROPERTY LINE, IN THIS INSTANCE, THE APPLICANT SEEKS A REDUCTION DOWN FROM THE 100 FEET REQUIRED TO 97 FEET PROPOSED.
ADDITIONALLY, TIER TWO SYSTEMS SHALL BE SET BACK 100 FEET FROM ALL ONSITE AND OFFSITE PRINCIPLE BUILDINGS, UNLESS REDUCED BY THE PLANNING BOARD SUBJECT TO THE SAME REQUIREMENTS AS NOTED ABOVE, BUT IN NO CASE CLOSER THAN 10 FEET TO A BUILDING.
IN THIS INSTANCE, THE APPLICANT SEATS A REDUCTION DOWN FROM 100 FEET REQUIRED TO 51 FEET PROPOSED.
THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL WILL RESULT IN REMOVAL OF THREE OFF STREET PARKING SPACES FROM THE SUBJECT SITE.
THE SITE CURRENTLY PROVIDES 1,147 OFF STREET PARKING SPACES WHERE 1,150 ARE REQUIRED AND 1,144 ARE PROPOSED.
SO WE'RE REDUCING THE SITE DOWN BY THREE.
THEREFORE, A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION OF SIX SPACES IS REQUIRED FROM THE PLANNING BOARD FROM 1150 REQUIRED TO 1144.
YEAH, THAT 1150 IS WHAT THE WAIVERS THAT WE'VE ALREADY GRANTED TO, THAT'S ACCURATE.
IT'S SHOPPING CENTER, ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
SO THE APPLICANT WILL DETAIL THE LOCATION AND TYPICAL USAGE OR AVAILABILITY OF NEEDS IN OTHER, BY OTHER NEARBY SPACES AS PART OF ITS PRESENTATION.
UM, BEFORE I TURN THINGS OVER TO THE PROJECT TEAM, I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THE CODE REQUIRES THAT A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE BE HELD AND INCLUDE THE APPLICABLE FIRE DISTRICT.
IN THIS INSTANCE, A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE WAS HELD AT THE SITE WITH TOWN STAFF, THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT PERSONNEL, AND THE APPLICANT'S TEAM ON SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2021.
THE PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE RESULTED IN IMPROVEMENTS BEING MADE TO THE LAYOUT LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED FACILITY, WHICH THE APPLICANT WILL DESCRIBE MORE FULLY.
AS PART OF ITS PRESENTATION, THE LATEST SET OF APPLICATION MATERIALS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT, WHICH IS CURRENTLY REVIEWING THESE MATERIALS.
CORRESPONDENCE RECEIVED FROM THE FIRE DISTRICT WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE BOARD AND TO THE APPLICANT UPON RECEIPT.
TOWN STAFF HAVE INFORMED THE FIRE DISTRICT OFFICIALS THAT AN INVITATION TO ATTEND A FUTURE MEETING OF THE PLANNING BOARD TO DISCUSS THIS PROJECT WILL BE PROVIDED.
AT THIS TIME, I'M HAPPY TO TURN THINGS OVER TO THE APPLICANT AND BEFORE YOU DO, JUST ON, ON THE LAST THING OF THE FIRE DISTRICT, IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED BY THIS BOARD IF THE OPINION FROM THE FIRE DISTRICT IN THESE CASES IS IN WRITING.
RATHER THAN, 'CAUSE AS OF NOW, I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOTTEN ANY, ANY WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE, UM, ON THIS.
DESPITE THE MEETING, THEY MAY HAVE APPROVED THE, THE PLAN, BUT WE DON'T HAVE WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE.
SECOND, I REALLY WOULD ENCOURAGE THE FIRE DISTRICT TO ATTEND OUR MEETING IF THEY DO HAVE SPECIFIC CONCERNS ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND, AND THE GREENVILLE PROJECT AS WELL, AND EXPRESS THEM IN PERSON, EVEN THOUGH EVEN IF THEY DO SUBMIT A WRITTEN OPINION.
VERY WELL, THANK YOU, CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ.
SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT I'S TEAM TO FURTHER PRESENT AND WE HAVE ENABLED TO SHARE A SCREEN FOR YOUR BENEFIT.
UH, THE DISTINGUISHED, UH, MEMBERS
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OF THE BOARD, UH, THE, THE BOARD, SORRY.UH, SO MY NAME IS, UH, MEIA DELLI AND I'M ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF I P P SOLAR.
UH, JUST GIVE YOU NEW QUICK BACKGROUND ABOUT US, UH, SOLAR COMPANY.
WE, WE STARTED, UH, UH, IN 2008.
UH, WE ARE FOCUSING ON COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PROJECTS.
UH, WE'VE BUILT, UH, YOU KNOW, 70 PLUS, UH, COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL, UH, SYSTEMS, UH, THIS FAR.
IN FACT, WE HAVE, UH, ONE OF OUR ARRAYS OVER THE, UH, ROOF OF THE MIDWAY SHOPPING CENTER ON, ON BOTH BUILDINGS.
UM, AND, UH, SINCE, SINCE, UH, A COUPLE, I MEAN, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE STARTED, UH, ALSO DEVELOPING, UH, ENERGY STORAGE PROJECTS.
UM, AND LET ME FIRST GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A CONTEXT HERE.
UM, I, I, I'M SURE THAT MANY OF YOU KNOW THAT THE NEW YORK STATE HAS A VERY AGGRESSIVE PLAN TO PHASE OUT ANY FORM OF FOSSIL FUEL, UH, AND JUST MOVE TOWARDS RENEWABLES.
I INVITE, UH, EVERYONE TO DO SOME SEARCHES, AND I'M HAPPY TO SEND LINKS ABOUT THE STATE'S ENERGY MASTER PLAN.
BUT ESSENTIALLY, UH, THE STATE WANTS TO DEPLOY, UM, A LOT OF SOLAR UPSTATE, A LOT OF, UH, WIND OFFSHORE RUN TRANSMISSION LINES ALL THE WAY FROM THE NORTH, UH, AND, AND, AND TO THE, TO NEW YORK CITY.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, UH, POWER THE MOST CONGESTED AREAS IN WESTCHESTER AND LONG ISLAND AS WELL.
AND SO, UM, YOU, YOU CAN'T HAVE GENERATION, UH, IN THE CONGESTED AREA.
YOU CAN'T HAVE SOLAR PANELS OR WIND FARMS IN WESTCHESTER OR NEW YORK CITY.
UH, SO THE WAY THIS WORKS IS THAT YOU HAVE GENERATION, UH, IN THE, UH, VERY RURAL AREAS.
AND THEN ONCE THE POWER IS GENERATED, UH, PARTICULARLY AT NIGHT, THEY WOULD BE STORED BY, THE POWER WILL BE STORED BY, UH, ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS, UH, ALL ACROSS THE STATE IN, IN THE CONGESTED AREAS.
AND THEN THEY WILL DISCHARGE THE POWER AT THOSE TIMES AFTER THE YEAR, UH, WHEN POWER IS NEEDED, PARTICULARLY IN THE PEAK TIMES IN THE SUMMER, UH, AFTERNOONS, FOR INSTANCE, WHEN YOU HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE'S TURNING ON THEIR AC UNITS.
AND THOSE TIMES AT THIS MOMENT, UH, YOU CAN REACH SOME PEAK PEAKS WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, BIG EXPENSIVE PEAKER PLANS HAVE TO BE, UH, PUT IN, UH, UH, ONLINE IN ORDER TO, TO MEET THE DEMAND.
SO, UH, OUR PROJECT IS, UH, REALLY WITHIN THAT CONTEXT AND WILL HELP THE, THE LOCAL, UH, GRID BY, UH, MAKING POWER AVAILABLE AT THOSE HIGH PEAK TIMES.
AND IN ORDER TO MAKE THE ECONOMICS WORK, THE PROJECT, UH, THE, ALL THE BATTERIES WILL OPERATE UNDER THE, THE COMMUNITY SOLAR PROGRAM THAT THE STATE HAS MADE, UH, AVAILABLE.
UH, IN OTHER WORDS, THE POWER, UH, WOULD BE SOLD TO THE, THE COMMUNITY.
UH, EVERYONE WHO HAS ACCOUNTED ACCOUNT WILL BE ELIGIBLE TO SUBSCRIBE TO THE, TO THE POWER DISCHARGES AND ACHIEVE DISCOUNTS.
UM, SO, UH, THE OTHER IMPORTANT ELEMENT TO HAVE IN MIND IS THAT, UH, I THINK IN THE NEXT 10 TO 20 YEARS, YOU ARE GOING TO SEE, UH, JUST IMPORTANT TRENDS, UH, HIGHER PRICES OF ENERGY, UH, ACROSS THE BOARD, PARTICULARLY FOSSIL FUELS, UH, HIGHER DEMAND.
AND OF COURSE, UH, EVERYONE WANTS TO HAVE AN ELECTRIC CAR, AND THE GOVERNMENT, UH, FEDERAL AND STATE ARE, ARE PUSHING PEOPLE TOWARDS ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
UM, AND ALSO YOU HAVE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE NOTICED, BUT, UH, NEW YORK CITY IS PHASING OUT, YOU KNOW, UH, GAS AS A MEANS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, BRING HEAT TO BUILDINGS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTIONS AS OF 2024.
AND I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE EXTENDED ALL OVER THE STATE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT, IT IS JUST GONNA BE BETWEEN THE DEMAND CURVE AND THE SUPPLY CURVE.
YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME SUBSTANTIAL, UH, SHIFTS HERE.
AND SO, UH, IT SEEMS TO US THAT SUCH A PROJECT IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT, UH, IN, IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN, UH, UH, UH, THE LOWEST POSSIBLE GROWTH IN THE, UH, IN THE PRICE OF, UH, ELECTRICITY IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, NOW WE HAVE DONE ALREADY A PROJECT LIKE THIS ONE, UM, THE
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FIRST ONE ACTUALLY IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK, UH, BATTERY STORAGE COUPLED WITH COMMUNITY SOLAR.AND, UH, AND ACTUALLY, IF IT'S, IS IT OKAY IF I SHARE MY SCREEN AND JUST, UH, SHOW SOME PICTURES? ABSOLUTELY, YES, PLEASE.
SO, UH, I'M JUST GOING TO SHOW YOU.
SO THIS IS AN INSTALLATION WE DID, UH, IN YORKTOWN HEIGHTS, UH, AND WE WENT THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES, UH, UH, THE, THE, THE BOARD OF, UH, YORKTOWN, UH, AND ALSO THE TOWN BOARD.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS A VERY LENGTHY PROCESS, UH, AND WE WERE, UH, THANKFULLY ABLE TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT CONSTITUENTS, UH, AND ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THE FIRE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT AND, UM, E EVERY STAKEHOLDER.
SO THIS IS, UH, JUST, UH, ONE, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU ANOTHER SIDE OF IT.
SO, SO YOU CAN SEE HOW WE PUT A FENCE WITH BALLARD SO NOBODY CAN, UH, GET CLOSE TO THE, UH, INSTALLATION.
I THINK THIS INSTALLATION IS NOT TOO FAR AWAY, UH, FROM WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING AT MIDWAY, BUT THE, THE BATTERY UNITS ARE SORT OF A NEWER GENERATION, SO THEY'RE GONNA LOOK NICER AND MORE COMPACT.
SO, UH, MY COLLEAGUE BERNARDO IS GOING TO GIVE YOU MORE DETAIL ABOUT THAT.
UH, THE OTHER, UH, FEW COOL THINGS ABOUT THIS PROJECT, UH, THIS IS, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF.
SO THE BATTERIES ARE CHARGED BY, UH, THOSE SOLAR PANELS.
AND THEN, UM, UH, I ALSO HAVE HERE THE TESLA SUPERCHARGERS WHO ARE FED FROM THE SOLAR PLUS BATTERY INSTALLATIONS.
SO WE REALLY THINK THIS IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE, UH, ALLOWS REALLY, UH, THE TRANSITION TOWARDS, UH, YOU KNOW, RENEWABLES AND SO ON.
I WANNA SHOW YOU ALSO A COUPLE OTHER PICTURES AND, UH, I SHOULD BE ALMOST DONE THEN.
UH, THIS IS THE RIBBON CUTTING WE HAD FOR THAT PROJECT.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AT THE TIME, UH, LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR KEL WAS, UH, CAME FOR THE
UM, AND THEN, UH, ONE LAST PICTURE HERE IS THIS IS A TYPE OF INDUSTRIAL INSTALLATIONS WE DO, UM, YOU KNOW, ROOFTOP SOLAR ON, ON SORT OF LARGE SCALE.
SO THIS IS REALLY OUR, OUR GOAL IS TO BE ABLE TO BRING THIS KIND OF PROJECT TO THE COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, AND I THINK THIS WAS A RELATIVELY LONG INTRODUCTION.
I HOPE I DIDN'T BO BORE YOU TOO MUCH.
AND, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CERTAINLY OPEN TO, TO MORE QUESTIONS, UH, IF YOU WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS NOW.
OTHERWISE, MY COLLEAGUE BERNARDO CAN DIVE INTO SORT OF THE MORE SPECIFICS OF, UH, THE TWO SITES AND THE LAYOUTS AND SO ON.
WHY DON'T YOU CONTINUE AND GO THROUGH THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION.
UH, I'M SUPPORTING I P P SOLAR WITH THIS PROJECT.
I'M DOING ENGINEERING AND THE TECHNICAL FEASIBILITY OF THE PROJECT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE, UH, MY SCREEN HERE, SO CAN SHOW YOU, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE STILL SHARING.
UH, MAYBE I SHOULD, UH, UH, LET ME SEE.
LEMME SEE IF I CAN, I GUESS, MAKE YOU HOST.
WELL, YOU JUST HAVE TO TAKE OFF YOUR SHARING FIRST, I BELIEVE.
CAN EVERYBODY SEE MY SCREEN HERE? YES.
BROUGHT UP JUST TO TOUCH BERNARDO IF YOU COULD.
BEFORE I GO INTO THE DRAWING HERE, UH, WANTED TO, UH, UH, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MODEL LAW THAT WAS CREATED FOR AROUND THIS BATTERY.
UH, WE WORKED TOGETHER WITH THE TOWN.
UH, GARY DID A GREAT, GREAT JOB WITH THE, WITH THE, THE LAW, THE MODEL LAW.
UH, WE HAD A CHANCE TO, TO GO OVER IT AND RESPOND TO COMMENTS TO THE, WE HAD A, A SESSION OF COMMENTS AND WE ADDRESSED SOME OF THAT.
AND, UH, LET'S START HERE WITH, UH, THE PARCEL IN THE ZONING.
THE, THE APPLICATION COMPLIES IS THE MIDWAY SHOPPING CENTER.
UH, THERE IS NO ISSUE WITH THE ZONING.
THE CAPACITY, AS THE CHAIRMAN POINTED OUT, IS A TIER TWO SYSTEM, IS A TIER TWO, UH, IS LESS THAN
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6,000 KILOWATT HOUR, WHICH WE ALSO COMPLY.WE HAD A SESSION WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT.
THEY WANTED TO SEE, UH, WE HAD A, A, A DISCUSSION WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT REGARDING THE FIRE HYDRANT FROM MIDWAY.
WE HAD ONE NEXT TO THE BUILDING.
UH, THEY POINTED OUT THAT WE ALSO NEED TO INCLUDE, UH, A SECOND FIRE HYDRANT.
THIS THE LOCATION OF THE BATTERY HERE IN RELATION TO THE BUILDING.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN SHOW THIS A LITTLE BETTER HERE.
I'M GONNA LET THIS THING SIT FOR A WHILE.
THIS IS THE PROPERTY, THIS IS THE MIDWAY SHOPPING CENTER.
YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY LINE.
YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION OF THE BATTERY WHERE YOU'RE PROPOSING THE BATTERY.
OKAY, THIS EXISTING FIRE HYDRANT, LET ME GO TO THE NEXT SCREEN HERE.
WE HAD A REVISION DONE, UH, UH, LAST WEEK AFTER WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT IN THE, THE, IN THE, THE IN GARRETT'S TEAM, WE ACTUALLY WERE ABLE TO, ACCORDING, I MEAN, AFTER THEIR RECOMMENDATION, WE WERE ABLE TO REDUCE, INCREASE, SORRY, THE, THE, THE SETBACK, WHICH WAS ABOUT 97 FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE ABOVE, THE REQUIRED IS 104 AND 104 AND A HALF FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, TO THE BUILDING.
WE ARE ALSO ABLE TO, TO INCREASE, NOW REDUCE, INCREASE THE SETBACK TO THE BUILDING.
SO TECHNICALLY WE ARE WITHIN THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAW FOR THIS APPLICATION.
WE ALSO HAVE THE DISTANCE TO THE FIRE HYDRANT, UH, WHICH WE'RE STILL TALKING TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WE WANNA SEE THE DISTANCE OF THE SECOND FIRE HYDRANT IN.
UH, JUST SHOWING YOU THIS, UH, THIS HERE.
I WISH I COULD CALL HER THIS HERE.
THIS, THIS YEAR IS ACTUALLY THE TWO MEGA PACKS.
AND, UH, AFTER DISCUSSING WITH THE TONGUE, THEY PROPOSED THAT WE, UH, WE PUT A REMOVABLE FENCE.
I DON'T KNOW IF I WANNA GET TOO MUCH INTO THE DETAIL HERE.
I'M GONNA SHOW A RENDERING AS WELL.
WE HAVE A FENCE IN BOARDS AROUND THE MEGA PACK FOR SAFETY.
AND WE DO HAVE, UH, ONE TREE THAT IS LOCATED RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE GONNA PUT IN RED HERE TO HAVE A DIFFERENT COLOR.
WE HAVE THIS SPACE HERE, THIS GARDEN SPACE THAT WE NEED TO REMOVE ONE TREE.
AND WE PROPOSE TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE TOWN TO DECIDE WHAT EXACTLY TO PLANT THE REPLACEABLE TREE.
THAT HASN'T BEEN DEFINED YET, BUT WE, FOR THE MID APPLICATION, THERE IS ONE TREE THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED IN THIS REGION HERE.
SO LET ME SEE WHAT I, ALL THE INFORMATION HERE.
UH, I SUSPECT YOU HAVE RECEIVED THE, THE PLANS.
LET ME GO BACK TO THE NEXT PAGE.
WE HAVE HERE THE REDUCED FOOTPRINT FOR THE INSTALLATION.
UH, THE REASON THIS HAS BEEN REDUCED IS AFTER TALKING TO THE, TO THE TOWN, THEY PROPOSED THAT WE PUT A REMOVABLE FENCE SO IT TAKES LESS SPACE.
SO THIS FRONT PART HERE IS REMOVABLE FOR MAIN PLACE.
SO THIS FRONT PART OF THE, IS A ROLLING GATE THAT WE PROPOSE.
SO IT TAKES A LOT OF SPACE FROM THE ROAD.
UH, THE TOWN IS A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, THE, THE, THE, THE TRAVELING LANE.
AND THIS REDUCED A LOT OF SPACE OF THE UNIT.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO, NEEDED TO DO FROM MIDWAY GREEN VIEW.
WHEN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GREEN VIEW, YOU'LL SEE THAT THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
UH, WOULD LIKE TO ALSO, UH, LET ME SEE WHAT ELSE WE HAVE HERE.
THIS IS THE LUNCH WITH AGREEMENT.
I DON'T WANNA GET TOO MUCH INTO TECHNICAL DETAILS.
THIS IS THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WE HAVE.
WE HAVE, UH, TWO MEGA PACKS WITH 16 UNITS.
BY THE WAY, AARON DID A GREAT JOB EXPLAINING, UH, THE PROJECT.
THANKS FOR PUTTING THE, THE GOOD NARRATIVE.
TOGETHER, WE COMPLY WITH A LESS THAN 6,000 KILOWATT HOUR, UH, FOR T NUMBER TWO UNDER THE NEW MODEL LAW IN.
NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO SHOW A PHOTO OF A RENDERING.
LET ME SEE HOW I'M PUTTING THIS HERE.
WE GOT, I DON'T DUNNO IF THIS SCREEN IS STILL VISIBLE.
CAN YOU SEE THE RENDERING? YES, THIS IS, YES, WE CAN, LET ME SEE IF I CAN, THIS IS, THIS IS A RENDERING THAT, UH, THAT IS MORE FOR THE GREEN VIEW BECAUSE IT'S NOT A REMOVABLE, UH, UH, A ROLLING GATE HERE.
BUT THIS IS THAT AN IDEA HOW VISUALLY THESE WOULD LOOK, UH, MIDWAY.
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SO, UH, WE DECIDED TO GO WITH, UH, WITH, UH, A BLACK SLATE, UH, A GATE FENCE, EIGHT FEET TALL AS AS REQUIRED BY THE TOWN WITH SAFE BALLARD.LEMME SEE IF I CAN HIGHLIGHT THIS HERE.
JUST MAKE SURE, OOPS, I WANNA PUT RED COLOR HERE.
HUH? I'M NOT SURE HOW TO DO THAT.
I'M NOT SURE HOW TO CHANGE THAT.
WE GET A SENSE OF WHERE THE BOLLARDS ARE.
DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTION? WE CAN SEE.
WE CAN SEE THE BALLARDS BERNARDO.
AND BERNARDO, CAN YOU SHOW ALSO A SATELLITE VIEW ON GOOGLE, UH, OF, UH, OF THE, UH, THE SITE? SO THAT, UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE BOARD TO SEE THE, UH, UH, LOCATION AND BECAUSE THE AREA WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, TO INSTALL THE, UH, THE UNIT IS, IS THERE IS NOT A REALLY A LOT OF, NO, I DON'T HAVE LIGHT.
I DON'T HAVE, I HAVE, I HAVE, UH, WHAT I HAVE IS, UH, NO, IT'S A MAP VIEW.
YOU CAN SEE THIS IS A, UH, A SCALE, VIEW, SATELLITE VIEW.
IT SHOWS HERE, UH, UH, THE, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE SHOPPING MALL HERE, AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING THE BATTERY.
IS THAT ON THE SAME LEVEL? IS THE BATTERY STORAGE IN THE SAME LEVEL AS THE SHOPPING MALL, OR IS IT ON A HILL ABOVE IT? IT WAS IN THE SAME LEVEL.
UH, IT, THAT IT'S IN THE SIDE PARKING LOT.
BUT I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU WANT, I CAN SHOW YOU THE, UH, THE, UM, THE ON GOOGLE MAPS, THE WAY A, YOU KNOW, A SATELLITE DEAL, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT CAN REALLY BE HELPFUL, UH, TO, TO THE BOARD HERE.
THAT WOULD BE, THANK YOU, MAIER.
THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU'RE ABLE, IF NOT, I, I BE ABLE TO, UP TO WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS, I THINK TO ANSWER MR. SCHWARTZ'S QUESTION, UM, THE, THERE'S KIND OF A LAYERED OR A TIERED PARKING LOT IN THAT AREA, AND THE UNIT WOULD BE IN THE UPPER TIER, IF YOU WILL.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A STAIRCASE ADJACENT.
AND IT'S AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRCASE.
IT'S GOING UP TOWARDS THE RAMP.
THAT'S THE RAMP TOWARDS JOANNE'S.
AND CURRENTLY YOU'LL SEE IN THIS AREA WHERE THE THREE PARKING STALLS ARE, BUT NOT ON, IT'S NOT ON THE RAMP RAMP, MONA.
IT'S, IT'S GOING TOWARDS THE RAMP UP THAT LITTLE HILL.
CAN EVERYONE SEE, UH, MY SCREEN PICTURE IS THE THREE, IS THE THREE SPOTS TO THE SOUTH? YES, EXACTLY.
THESE ARE THE, AND UH, ALSO TO POINT OUT THAT FOR BOTH, UH, MIDWAY AND ALSO GREENVILLE, YOU KNOW, UH, THE FINAL LOCATION THAT WE ARE PROPOSING ON THIS, ON THIS, UH, APPLICATION, REALLY, UH, DEVELOPED OUT OF A NUMBER OF ITERATIONS WORKING WITH GARRETT AND HIS TEAM, THE FIRE DISTRICT.
WE HAD MEETINGS ON SITE AND CERTAINLY, UH, FOLLOWING, UH, THE MODEL.
UH, SO IT WAS AN ITERATIVE PROCESS.
AND, UH, THE, THE, THE LOCATION REALLY SYNCED TO, UM, EVERYONE HERE WHO HAS LOOKED AT THE, THE, THE PROJECT.
UH, I WAS GOING TO ADD SOMETHING, IF I MAY GO AHEAD.
I, I WAS JUST GONNA STATE THAT, UM, BOARD MEMBERS MAY NOT BE AWARE, BUT, UM, THE PROPOSAL, THESE PROPOSALS CAME IN BEFORE THE MODEL LAW AND THEY HAD SOME OTHER LOCATIONS IDENTIFIED.
AND THEN, UM, KNOWING THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE A LOCAL LAW CONSIDERED, THEY HELD OFF, WAITED AND BASED ON THE LOCAL LAW THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE TOWN AND WITH INPUT FROM STAFF, AND THE FIRE DISTRICT FINALLY CONCLUDED WITH THE PROPOSED LOCATIONS AS YOU SEE TODAY.
COULD YOU JUST CIRCLE WHERE, WHERE IT IS, WHERE IT IS AGAIN, ON, ON THIS MAP? GO BACK TO THE MAP.
NO, JUST GO BACK TO THE OTHER MAP FOR A SECOND THOUGH, PLEASE.
IS IT WHERE THAT CAR IS? IT IS HERE.
SO IT'S, IT IS ON THAT UPPER LEVEL GOING TOWARDS THE RAMP.
THE RAMP TO ALSO THE, UH, GO THE GOOGLE STREET VIEW.
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THE NEXT SLIDE THAT YOU, THE SLIDE YOU JUST HAD HAD WITH THE CAR AARON, OR JUST MINUTE AGO.SO, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU REALLY ARE ON AN APPLE.
NOW I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT'S, YES.
AND SO, OKAY, YOU SEE THIS CAR HERE, THIS IS WHERE WE GOING.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S REALLY ISOLATED AND THE, ALL THESE PARKING, I MEAN, THIS WHOLE AREA IS NOT, IS NOT REALLY IN HIGH DEMAND FOR PARKING JUST OVERFLOW ON WEEKENDS.
IT'S THE ONLY TIME IT'S BUSY UP THERE.
IT'D BE A PROBLEM IF IT WAS IN THE, THE LOT BELOW IT, BUT UP THERE IT'S NOT.
AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED, I WANTED IT TO BE CLEAR TO YOU, MR. SCHWARTZ, AND, AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THAT IT WAS UP TOP.
ANYTHING ELSE, MR. BURGESS? UH, WE HAVE THE, I I, I'M NOT, I'M SURE YOU GUYS DON'T WANT TO SEE THE, THE FULL DOCUMENTATION, BUT WE HAVE INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE, THE COMMISSIONING PLAN, THE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN, ALL OF THE ITEMS, UH, THE SAFETY PLAN.
AND, UH, WE HAVE INCLUDED, AND WE HAVE WORKED TOGETHER WITH THE TOWN AND, UH, UH, WE HAVE CREATED ALL THIS DOCUMENTATION THAT WAS REQUIRED ACCORDING TO THE NEW LAW.
SO WE HAVE CHECKED ALL OF THAT AND, UH, WORKED TOGETHER WITH THE TOWN TO SATISFY THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
WELL, IT'S OBVIOUS FROM LOOKING AT THE ORIGINAL PLACE YOU PUT IT, WHICH WAS BEHIND THE SHOPPING CENTER, TO HEAR THAT THIS LAW HAS HAD A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON YOUR PLAN.
AND I APPRECIATE YOU WORKING WITH THE TOWN ON THAT.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO PRESENT BEFORE I OPEN THE, THE FLOOR FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NO, I THINK IT, NANCY, ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? I, WE HAVE, YEAH, LIKE YOU SAID, WE STARTED THE, THIS, UH, PROJECT, UH, THAT OUR INITIAL SUBMISSION WAS AUGUST, 2020.
SO, UH, IT'S BEEN, UH, QUITE, UH, UH, SOME TIME.
BUT OF COURSE, UH, WE UNDERSTAND THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE REQUIREMENT FOR DEVELOPING A MODEL LAW AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS INSTALLATION IS SAFE AND, UH, MAKES, MAKES, UH, THE WHOLE, THE COMMUNITY COMFORTABLE.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S BEEN CERTAINLY A, A, A LONG PROCESS, BUT HOPEFULLY WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE IS SATISFACTORY TO EVERYONE, AND EVERYONE FEELS COMFORTABLE ABOUT IT.
SO IT WAS NECESSARY FOR US TO WRITE THE LAW OFFER EVERYBODY.
AND NOW HOPEFULLY IT'S PRETTY CLEAR TO, TO FOLKS LIKE YOU WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE GOING IN.
THAT WAS THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE LAW, TO MAKE IT ACTUALLY EASIER FOR YOU TO APPLY 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WHAT'S EXPECTED.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, BALANCING THAT WITH THE NEEDS AND SAFETY OF OUR, OUR RESIDENTS.
AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK THE LAW WE'LL SEE, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE LAW IS ACCOMPLISHING.
UM, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, I'M OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE TIME CHECK, GUYS.
UH, I WANNA STOP THIS, THIS AT NINE O'CLOCK, THE LATEST.
'CAUSE I WANT TO GIVE TIME FOR THE GREENVILLE ONE, TWO.
SO WE, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER 45 MINUTES OR SO, UH, IF ON QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ON THIS IF WE NEED IT.
UH, SO I'LL OPEN THE FLOOR, THE QUESTIONS, I HAVE A BUNCH OF MY OWN, BUT I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD MEMBERS FIRST.
ANYBODY, UM, YEAH, MR. MR. DE.
WELL, UH, WHAT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST, IF THERE IS A, UH, SIMILAR, UH, IT'S A SAME, UH, TECHNICAL TEAM, EVEN THE TWO DIFFERENT APPLICANT, UH, DO YOU WANT TO COMBINE IT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT THE SAME QUESTION? I DON'T, BECAUSE THERE MAY BE SOME SITE QUESTIONS.
I THINK THAT ONCE WE ASK SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE ON OUR LIST, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ASK THEM A SECOND TIME.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY NOW? YEAH.
YEAH, I THINK, UH, UH, UH, IT'S VERY GOOD, UH, UH, WORK THAT YOU AND WALTER, UH, DID FOR PUTTING UP TO THIS, UH, LAW THAT IS BEING KIND OF, UH, UH, APPLIED AND THEY
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SEE THIS, UH, PROPOSAL.UH, SO THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S A GOOD KIND OF, UH, UH, REACTION TO WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED IN THE LAW.
UM, UH, SO, UH, ONE OF THE SPECIFIC QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT, UH, DO YOU HAVE SIMILAR, THE ONE THAT YOU SHOWED IN NEW YORKTOWN, IT IS ABOUT THE SAME CAPACITY OR IT'S A SMALLER
UH, EACH PROJECT, YORK, YORKTOWN, WE HAD ONE UNIT, SO IT'S HALF THE CAPACITY, HALF THE CAPACITY.
AND IT'S DUE BECAUSE OF THE LAW REQUIREMENTS? OR, OR, OR JUST A, JUST TO THE, THE
SO IT'S A PRIVILEGE FOR GREENBERG TO BE ABLE TO TAKE FOUR BATTERIES.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A LIMITATION ON THE, IS A IS A PRIVILEGE.
A LOT OF TOWNS CANNOT EVEN HANDLE ONE.
NOW, GREENBERG, WE ALREADY HAVE APPLIED WITH THE UTILITY AND INTERCONNECTION, AND THEY HAVE APPROVED UP TO FOUR IES IN THE TOWN.
SO THE, THE LIMITATION IS NOT A LOW LIMITATION, IT'S MORE A GRID CAPACITY.
SO THEY, BECAUSE THOSE TWO PROJECTS, THE TWO APPLICATIONS ARE MORE, UH, COMMERCIAL AREA LIKE THE, THE MIDWAY GREENVIEW, AND WE HAVE THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY THAT ALLOWS THE TOWN TO ACCOMMODATE FOR BATTERIES.
SO IT'S A, BASICALLY THAT IS A, IS A, IS IS A BIG PRIVILEGE TO BE ABLE TO STORE FROM
AND IF I CAN ADD TO THAT, SO YES, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS A FUNCTION OF WHAT CON EDISON, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, OFFERS.
AND YOU, IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT FOR THIS KIND OF INSTALLATION, THERE IS A NEED FOR UPGRADES TO THE GRID BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE, THE, THE GRID INFRASTRUCTURE IS, UH, IS NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, DESIGNED NECESSARILY TO TAKE, UH, THE EXPORT, FOR EXAMPLE OF, OF THESE BATTERIES, UH, EVEN IF IT'S ONE.
SO CARNET CAME BACK TO US WITH A CERTAIN UPGRADE COST.
AND THE UPGRADE COST, UM, IS ACTUALLY QUITE SUBSTANTIAL.
AND WE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED THREE, UH, UNITS FOR MIDWAY AND FOUR FOR GREENVILLE, SO THAT WE CAN, UM, SPREAD, UH, THE, UH, COST, THE UPGRADE COST OVER MORE UNITS.
AND SO THAT OBVIOUSLY, UH, IMPROVES THE ECONOMICS.
BUT OF COURSE, THE MODEL LAW HAS LIMITED THE, UM, UH, THE NUMBER OF UNITS TO TWO.
SO WE SCALED BACK TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE MODEL LAW.
SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT TO EXPLAIN HOW WE CAME ABOUT, UH, TWO UNITS PER SITE.
SORRY, I HAD INTERVIEW, I HAD INTERNET ISSUES.
KURT, ANYTHING ELSE? YOU'RE ON MUTE, CORRECT? LATER ON MAYBE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, I HAVE MY HEAD.
I HAVE, UH, UH, SOME QUESTIONS.
UM, WHAT PERCENTAGE, YOU SAID YOU HAVE SOLAR PANELS ON YOUR ROOF AND YOU ALSO TALK ABOUT CLIMB EDISON CONNECTION.
UH, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF YOUR ENERGY WILL YOU GET BE GETTING FROM THE SOLAR PANELS AND WHAT PERCENTAGE WILL YOU GET FROM CARDISON? BALLPARK? YOU KNOW, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR THAT'S, THAT'S
UH, LET ME SEE IF I CAN ANSWER THAT.
UH, BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE COMPLICATED, BUT FOR MANY DIFFERENT REASONS.
THE, UH, UH, AND I CAN GO THROUGH THOSE IF YOU WANT, FOR SEVERAL REASONS.
THE SOLAR SYSTEM ON THE ROOF AND THE BATTERY SYSTEM ARE GOING TO BE COMPLETELY SEPARATE SYSTEMS. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE BEHIND THE SAME ELECTRIC SERVICE AND METER, HOWEVER, THEY ARE GONNA BE ON THE SAME CIRCUIT.
SO THE ELECTRONS IN THE WIRES ARE GONNA FLOW BETWEEN THE, THE SOLAR PANELS IN THE DAY.
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BATTERIES, UH, AND CHARGE THE BATTERIES.AND AT NIGHT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE CHARGE TAKING PLACE FROM THE GRID.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A VERY INTERACTIVE PROCESS BETWEEN VARIOUS SOURCES OF ENERGY AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY.
SO YOU GET, WITHOUT KNOWING THE EXACT PERCENTAGE, THE BATTERIES, WE CHARGE A COMBINATION OF CONED AND, UH, AND THE SOLAR POWER.
AND CAN YOU THEN SAY, WITHOUT NUMBERS, SAY MAJORITY, WILL THE MAJORITY OF THE POWER COME FROM CONED OR THE MAJORITY FROM THE SOLAR PANELS WITHOUT, I THINK, I THINK IT'S PRETTY FAIR TO SAY THAT THE MAJORITY COMES FROM, FROM CONED, UH, BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF STORAGE THAT YOU HAVE HERE, UH, IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IS, IS LARGER THAN, UH, WHAT THE SOLAR SYSTEM CAN PRODUCE, UH, IN THE COURSE OF, UH, THE FEW HOURS OF THE DAY.
SO THE MAJORITY TO BE TRUTHFUL IS COMING FROM, UH, FROM THE GRID.
AND YOU SHOULD LOOK AT IT A LITTLE BIT LIKE A RIVER, AND YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF RESERVOIRS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.
THE OTHER QUESTION IS THAT, I'M SORRY, DID YOU FINISH YOUR QUE THE ANSWER? YES.
THE OTHER POINT, YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT A REMOVABLE FENCE.
WHY IS THE FENCE REMOVABLE? RONALDO? YES.
UH, WE DISCUSSED WITH THE TOWN THE, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS A SIMILAR DESIGN TO BRING VIEW, BUT, UH, THEY, HE HAD CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, THE, THE, THE FIGHT, THE, THE, THE TRAVELING LANE.
UH, WE, THERE WAS SOME CLEARANCE IN FRONT OF THE BATTERIES FOR REMOVAL.
YOU SEE THAT IN GREENVIEW, YOU'RE GONNA UNDERSTAND WHY.
UH, SO, UH, AFTER TALKING TO THE TOWN, THEY SAID, OKAY, CAN YOU PUT A REMOVABLE, UH, A ROLLING GATE? SO WE CANNOT DISTURB OR AFFECT THE TRAVEL LANE TO MAKE THE SYSTEM MORE COMPACT? THE IDEA IS BECAUSE THE UNITS NEED, UH, A CERTAIN CLEARNESS IN FRONT OF THEM FOR, UH, FOR, FOR MAINTENANCE.
AND INSTEAD OF MAKING THAT CLEARNESS PERMANENT, UH, UH, ACTUALLY IT WAS A GREAT IDEA TO PUT A A, A, A ROLLING GATE BECAUSE THE, THE MAINTENANCE IS VERY MINIMAL.
ACCESS TO THE UNIT IS VERY MINIMAL.
INSTEAD OF MAKING THAT A CONS, UH, A CONSTANT, UH, IMPEDIMENT ON THE TRAVEL LANE, LET'S MAKE THE OCCASIONAL OKAY.
YOU ALSO MENTIONED COMMUNITY SOLAR.
THAT WOULD IMPLY THAT YOUR SOLAR PANELS ARE HOOKED UP TO THE COMMUNITY SOLAR SYSTEM.
IT'S, UH, THE TERM IS A LITTLE BIT, UH, MISLEADING.
IT'S ACTUALLY NOT COMMUNITY, COMMUNITY SOLAR, I SHOULD SAY COMMUNITY STORAGE.
IT'S A MAYBE A MORE APPROPRIATE TERM.
SO ESSENTIALLY THE WAY IT WORKS, AND I THINK A LOT OF CREDIT SHOULD BE GIVEN TO NEW YORK STATE FOR HAVING IMPLEMENTED IN WHAT IS, IN MY VIEW, THE MOST SOPHISTICATED ADVANCED, UH, REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT, UH, TO HELP THE GROWTH OF, UH, RENEWABLES.
SO ESSENTIALLY, UH, WITH THE PROGRAM, YOU CAN HAVE GENERATION ASSETS AT ANY LOCATION AND THEN LINK THAT, UH, UH, THE METER OF THAT GENERATION ASSET TO ONE OR MULTIPLE METERS, UH, MILES AWAY.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOURSELF, YOU COULD SUBSCRIBE TO THE ENERGY, UH, YOU KNOW, DISCHARGED BY THIS UNIT, AND, UH, YOU WILL BE GIVEN SOME CREDITS AND WE WILL GIVE THE CREDITS AT A DISCOUNT RELATIVE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FOOD RATE.
AND THAT WAY THE, UH, THE COMMUNITY PARTICIPANTS WHO SUBSCRIBE TO THIS ARE GOING TO ACHIEVE SAVINGS ON THEIR ELECTRIC BILL.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY BEHIND THIS, BUT THE IDEA IS TO, UM, TO HAVE, UH, ENGAGEMENT OF THE COMMUNITY WITH THE GROWTH OF RENEWABLES.
DOESN'T THE ENERGY ACTUALLY GO INTO LINK THAT THERE'S A, THERE'S A CLEARING HOUSE, AN ESTATE CLEARING HOUSE, AND IF YOU GO ANYWHERE, ANYBODY WHO'S ON THAT EXCHANGE CAN ACTUALLY BUY THAT ENERGY, ISN'T THAT CORRECT? I MEAN, I THINK, UH, THE ELECTRONS ARE OBVIOUSLY FLOWING ALL ACROSS, YOU KNOW, THE CIRCUITS THAT YOU HAVE.
WHEN YOU SAY AN EXCHANGE, UH, THIS IS, UH, AGAIN, ANOTHER TERM THAT CAN BE, UH, INTERPRETED IN VARIOUS WAYS.
AND I DON'T WANT TO BE MISLEADING HERE, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE IS,
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WHAT THE STATE HAS DONE IS THEY HAVE CREATED, UH, A REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE FLOW OF ELECTRONS IS ONE THING, THE FINANCIAL ASPECTS OF IT, THE, IT'S SOMETHING ELSE.YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THEM BOTH, UM, YOU KNOW, STICK TO EACH OTHER.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEPARATE THEM.
AND THAT WAY IT MAKES THE DEVELOPMENT OF PROJECTS A LOT EASIER.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE STATE HAS BEEN TRYING TO DO.
WALTER, DO YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I, I, I JUST WANT TO WHAT EXTENT, TO WHAT EXTENT, AND OF COURSE YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR FINANCIAL MODEL FOR THIS PROJECT, BUT TO WHAT EXTENT CAN YOU MAXIMIZE THE USE OF SOLAR ENERGY THROUGH THE EXCHANGE, UH, AND TO MAKE YOUR PRO PROJECT PROFITABLE? IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT? SO, UNFORTUNATELY SOLAR IS LIMITED BY JUST PHYSICAL CONSTRAINT.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST, YOU CAN SEE WE, IF YOU LOOK AT MIDWAY, I USED EVERY SQUARE INCH ON THE ROOFS.
THE REASON WE HAVE NOT PUT SOLAR PANELS IS BECAUSE THE ROOF IS VERY SKINNY AND I CANNOT TAKE THE WEIGHT.
SO WE ARE REALLY LIMITED BY THE PHYSICAL, UH, PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE SOLAR FARMS THAT WE HAVE UNDER DEVELOPMENT OR CONSTRUCTION, UH, WHEN YOU GO FURTHER NORTH OR WEST WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF, UH, OPEN LAND.
SO THAT IS HAPPENING AND, UH, MANY PEOPLE DON'T KNOW IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO AND LOOK UPSTATE, YOU HAVE, GOD KNOWS, HUNDREDS OF ACRES OF SOLAR EITHER INSTALLED OR BEING INSTALLED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION.
GO AHEAD, TOM, THEN YOU THEN JOHAN NEXT.
SO THIS IS AS, AS WE SAID AT THE BEGINNING, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'RE SEEING AN APPLICATION UNDER THE WALL.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS AND, AND BE CLEAR ON HOW WE GO FROM A HUNDRED FEET TO 50 FEET IN DISTANCE FROM THE BUILDING, WHAT CONSIDERATIONS WE MAKE IN ORDER TO A POOL, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE DISTANCE, IT'S, THE WAY THE LAW'S WRITTEN IS, IS IN CONNECTION WITH THE HAZARD MITIGATION ANALYSIS TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE P WORK.
BUT WE'VE NEVER ACTUALLY HAD A CASE WHERE WE HAD TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS AND DISCUSS IT.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE MAKE THAT DETERMINATION, ERIN.
UM, FIRST OFF, I'D SAY THAT, UM, STAFF AS WELL AS THE FIRE DISTRICT WILL, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO ASSIST THE PLANNING BOARD AND UNDERSTANDING IF IT'S REASONABLE, UM, TO REDUCE IT DOWN.
SO WE'LL CERTAINLY GIVE YOU INFORMATION ON THAT.
UM, I DID ALSO WANNA MENTION THAT THE ER NYSERDA LOCAL LAW THAT, UH, WITH THE MODEL LAW THAT WAS WORKED OFF BY THE TOWN RECOMMENDS THAT THE CABINETS BE SET BACK USING THE UNDERLYING ZONING SETBACK FOR THE DISTRICT IN WHICH THE CABINETS ARE PROPOSED.
UM, WHICH JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, IN MANY CASES IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS OR THE COMMERCIAL ZONES, UM, CAN BE EVEN LESS THAN 50 FEET.
SO WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, BE CONSERVATIVE THERE AND ONLY REDUCE IT DOWN TO THE 50 FOOT REQUIREMENT.
WELL, BUT TO PROPERTY LINES, JUST THE ORIGIN OF THE LAW TO, JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND, THE A HUNDRED FEET, THERE REALLY WAS NOT A SCIENTIFIC BASIS WHEN THE A HUNDRED FEET WAS CHOSEN.
IT WAS, WE, WHEN WE TALKED TO THE CONSULTANT ABOUT IT, WHAT HE HAD SAID RECOMMENDED TO US, HE TOLD US IT WAS PROBABLY A LOT MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN HE NEEDED TO BE.
SO THE COMPROMISE IS, OKAY, LET'S SET THAT AS A, AS A OUT A STANDARD.
AND THEN WHEN WE BRING THE FIRE DISTRICT IN AND WE LOOK AT THE PARTICULAR PRO PROGRAM, UH, THE PARTICULAR PROJECT, WE CAN THEN REDUCE IT FROM THERE.
BUT WE WANTED TO SET A RANGE 'CAUSE WE WEREN'T REALLY SURE WHERE IT SHOULD BE.
MR. BORIS, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT? YES, I NEED TO ADD THAT, UH, DESPITE THE SPEED IN PUTTING THIS LAW TOGETHER, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT NEEDED TO BE ARBITRARY.
ANOTHER ITEM THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THE SIZE, THE LIMITATION FOR THE TIER TWO, RIGHT? 6,000, UH, THIS IS OUR ARBITRARY NUMBER THAT THEY HAD TO PICK.
UH, IT HAPPENS JUST HAPPENED SO THAT OUR INITIAL PROPOSAL WAS 6,100 KILOWATT HOUR CAPACITY.
WE HAVE TO REDUCE THAT BECAUSE WE ARE A HUNDRED KILOWATT
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HOUR CAPACITY ABOVE THE 6,000 THREAD THRESHOLD.SO, UH, THIS IS, UH, THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT YOU NEEDED TO DO.
YOU, YOU ARE WORKING ON THE LAW.
UH, IT HAS A LOT OF GOOD POINTS, BUT, UH, A FEW THINGS THOUGH NOT, IT IS NOT A PERFECT, IT WAS NOT, UH, UH, IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T REALLY COVER ALL THE ITEMS, UH, PRECISELY.
MR. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, THAT'S IT.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT, UH, RESIDENTS COULD SUBSCRIBE FOR THE POWER DISCHARGES FROM, FROM THESE PARTICULAR UNITS.
UH, I JUST NEED CLARIFICATION.
THE SUBSCRIPTION IS EXCLUSIVE TO THE BATTERY STORAGE AND THE SOLAR PANELS DO NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THAT, UH, ENERGY POOL.
IS THAT ACCURATE? THAT'S CORRECT.
THE SOLAR SYSTEM HAS BEEN INSTALLED FOR, I WOULD SAY, SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS.
AND IT'S OPERATING UNDER A PROGRAM THAT WAS IN PLACE AT THE TIME.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST FEEDING, UH, THE, UH, PARKING LIGHTS.
IT'S FEEDING, UH, THE COMMON AREAS.
AND, AND THE OWNER IS THE OWNER OF, I MEAN, THE LANDLORD IS THE OWNER OF THOSE SYSTEMS AND IS JUST ACHIEVING, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME PRODUCTION OF HIS OWN IS JUST LIKE A COGEN.
BUT THE BATTERY STORAGE IS GOING TO BE UNDER, UH, YOU KNOW, CALL IT COMMUNITY STORAGE.
AND, AND IF PROBABLY YOU'RE GONNA ASK, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE COMPANIES, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE DO OURSELVES.
THERE ARE THIRD PARTY NOW THAT, UH, ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE DEVELOPED WHOSE JOB IS TO JUST GO AND MARKET THESE OPPORTUNITIES.
THEY KNOCK AT PEOPLE'S DOORS OR THEY SEND FLYERS AND PEOPLE RECEIVE, UH, THESE, UH, YOU KNOW, THESE NO NOTICES, AND THEY MAY DECIDE TO SUBSCRIBE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT WHAT WE HAVE, UH, BEEN DOING IN ONE INSTANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A BIG SOLAR FARM UP IN PLEASANT VALLEY, AND WE HAVE BEEN ASKED TO FIND A WAY TO GET THE, UH, LOCAL RESIDENTS TO HAVE, UH, LET'S SAY, UH, YOU KNOW, FIRST ACCESS TO THE OPPORTUNITY.
AND IF THERE IS AN INTEREST THERE, WE CAN CERTAINLY DISCUSS ABOUT IT.
UH, I JUST NEED TO KNOW, UH, SOMEBODY WHO CAN INTERFACE WITH US, WHO CAN JUST, UH, BRING ABOUT THOSE INTERESTED, UH, RESIDENCE.
IS THAT THE CASE WITH THE SOLAR PANELS BEING OLD ON BOTH BUILDINGS, THIS PROPERTY AND THE NEXT PROJECT AS WELL? NO, SOLAR PROJECTS ARE JUST DONE.
THEY ARE OLD, THIS ALL, AND UNFORTUNATELY THEY ARE NOT PLAY FOR COMMITTEE SOLAR.
DID THE UPGRADE TO THE GRID THAT YOU MENTIONED BEFORE WITH CONED, YOU WANTED TO DOUBLE THE STORAGE CAPACITY, WAS THAT AN EXPENSE THAT YOU WOULD'VE HAD TO UNDERTAKE, OR IS THAT SHARED BETWEEN YOU AND CONED? CORRECT.
AND THOSE UPGRADES COME TO AROUND A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE MY HEART IS FULLY BROKEN.
I'M GONNA BE VERY HONEST WITH YOU.
WE STARTED A PROJECT THAT, WHERE THERE WAS A BIG PART OF MONEY AT SERTA AND, UH, BASICALLY BY, UH, SCALING DOWN THE PROJECT, NOW THE, THE, THE, THE INCENTIVE IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE.
UH, AND BETWEEN GREENVILLE AND MIDWAY, THERE WERE ABOUT $2 MILLION OF INCENTIVE LOST.
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY HELPFUL, UH, UH, FOR THE PROJECT.
AND IN THE MEANTIME YOU'LL HAVE, UH, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO A MILLION DOLLARS OF UPGRADE COSTS NEEDED, UH, IN ORDER TO, TO HAVE THESE UNITS INSTALLED.
SO, UM, AND THE, THE ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT IS VERY, UH, UH, VOLATILE.
WE ARE, UH, ALSO, I MEAN, WE WANT TO DO THE PROJECT, BUT THE ECONOMICS ARE GONNA BE, UH, DEFINITELY NOT AS GOOD AS, UH, WHAT THEY WERE, UH, JUST ABOUT A MONTH AGO WHEN THE, UH, INCENTIVES, UH, BASICALLY WERE FULLY SUBSCRIBED FOR.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
I HAVE, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.
UM, I HAVE WHO DOES, WHO SAY I HAVE ALSO DOES MR. BO, THIS IS A WORK SESSION, UH, MR. DE SIDE.
LET, LEMME GET MY THIS WRONG AND THEN I'LL GO, GO
UM, I WANNA FOCUS A LITTLE BIT ON THE FIRE SAFETY.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT TRIGGERED THE LAW WE WROTE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT
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FIRE SAFETY WITH THESE KINDS OF FACILITIES.AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S CONFUSING ME IS THE DISCUSSION OF, OF WHERE FIRE HYDRANTS ARE AND RELATIVE TO THE BATTERY STORAGE, BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM READING THROUGH ALL THE MATERIAL YOU SENT THAT THE LAST THING YOU WANNA DO IS PUT WATER ON THESE THINGS WHEN THEY'RE ON FIRE, YOU LET THEM BURN OUT.
SO I'M VERY, VERY CONFUSED WHY OUR FIRE DISTRICT IS ASKING, IS CONCERNED ABOUT FIRE HYDRANTS WHEN THEY, THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR PUTTING THESE FIRES OUT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WATER.
AM I CORRECT ON THAT? YOU ARE CORRECT, SIR.
MR. SCHWARTZ, THIS IS AN, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THE EXCELLENT POINT AND ONE OF THE MOST SENSITIVE ASPECTS OF THIS.
SO TO BE PERFECTLY TRUTHFUL ABOUT IT, IT, AND WE HAVE BEEN AS TRUTHFUL AND, UH, ABOUT IT WITH, UH, OUR, UH, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR COLLEAGUES IN THE, THE TOWN OF, UH, YORKTOWN, AND THIS IS WHAT THE MANUFACTURER, TESLA IS NOW A TRILLION DOLLAR COMPANY.
AND THE SUCCESS, YOU KNOW, DATA US LOOK THIS THING, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A BATTERY, IT STORES ENERGY.
YOU HAVE TWO WAYS FOR THAT ENERGY TO DISSIPATE.
YOU CAN EITHER, EITHER DISCHARGE IT TO THE WIRES OR SOMETHING GOES WRONG.
UNFORTUNATELY IT GO, IT CATCHES ON FIRE, WHICH IS OF, OF COURSE, AN INCREDIBLY REMOTE, UH, EVENT.
OTHER, THAT SCENARIO, YES, PUTTING WATER ON THE UNIT, I IS NOT GOING TO REALLY, UH, BE OF, UH, MUCH IMPACT.
SO YOU HAVE TO LITERALLY LET IT BURN LIKE A CANDLE AND AFTER A NUMBER OF HOURS, IF IT ALL THAT STORED ENERGY IS GOING TO DISSIPATE THROUGH THAT MEDIUM.
THE REASON FOR HAVING A FIRE HYDRANT ACCESS TO WATER IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT FIRE DOES NOT PROPAGATE BEYOND THE PERIMETER AROUND IT.
YOU DON'T WANT THE, YOU KNOW, THE TREES 50 FEET AWAY, UH, GET ANY, ANY HEAT OR CARS OR ANYTHING AROUND IT TO GET, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, ANY PROPAGATION OF THAT, THAT FIRE.
THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE, THE, THE, THE WATER SOURCE.
NOW WHAT I UNDERSTAND, SO WHAT YOU'RE NOT, THEY KNOW FROM WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME, THE FIRE DISTRICT UNDERSTANDS THAT THOU SHALT NOT POINT A HOSE AT THIS THING.
NOW, I ALSO UNDERSTAND I, THE EARLIER CABINETS, AS I UNDERSTOOD THEM BEFORE THEY WERE IMPROVED, THEY USED TO BUILD A PRESSURE AND THEY COULD EXPLODE.
AND I UNDERSTAND NOW IT LETS THE GAS OUT.
THE, THE, THE UNITS HAVE BEEN BUILT WITH VENTS ON THE TOP.
SO OF COURSE THE MANUFACTURER IS NOT, WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE UNITS ARE SAFE.
SO IT HAS AN ARMORED BODY WHERE IF YOU HAVE ANY FORM OF, UH, THERMAL RUNAWAY, YOU ARE GONNA HAVE THE EVACUATION OF THOSE HOT GASES TAKING PLACE FROM THE TOP.
NOW, BEFORE THAT HAPPENS, YOU HAVE THESE TRAYS THAT CONTAIN THE SALE, THE, THE CELLS.
AND THEY HAVE BEEN DESIGNED TO ALREADY, UH, SIR SCRIBE THE, UH, UH, PROPAGATION OF FIRE WITHIN THAT, THAT THAT SAME UNIT.
AND, AND I THINK WE CAN, UH, I, WE CAN HAVE, UH, MY COLLEAGUE DAMIEN, UH, WHO'S OUR ELECTRICAL ENGINEER, AND HE CAN SPEAK IN LENGTH ABOUT THAT, HOW THE UNITS HAVE BEEN DESIGNED SO THAT YES, YOU KNOW, AND THERE ARE CASES AND THE UL TESTING AND NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, CERTIFICATIONS HAVE BEEN DONE IN ORDER TO, FOR THAT FIRE TO JUST REMAIN WITHIN THAT TRAY, NOT JUST NOT GO BEYOND THE TRAY INSIDE.
THE, UH, UNIT, LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION AGAIN RELATED TO THE FIRE DISTRICT.
'CAUSE AS I SAID THAT TO, TO ME, THAT'S A VERY LARGE CONCERN.
YOU ARE NOT GONNA BE ON, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE THERE.
UH, MR. CHES ISN'T GOING TO BE BE THERE IF THIS HAPPENS, IT'S GONNA BE THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT THAT'S GONNA BE THERE.
WHAT, ACTUALLY, BEFORE I GET TO THAT QUESTION, LET ME ASK YOU ALSO, THE COOLANT USED, I BELIEVE IS ETHYLENE GLYCOL TO KEEP THESE UNITS COOL.
ETHYLENE GLYCOLS A NASTY, OBVIOUSLY NOT SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO RUN OUT.
WHAT ARE THE, WHAT IS BEING DONE TO ENSURE THAT IT'S CONTAINED WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE UNITS? IT'S, UH, JUST QUITE FIVE.
IT IS, UH, 50 50 LENE, GLYCO SIMILAR TO AUTOMOTIVE, TO CARS.
AND, UH, IT IS A LARGER VOLUME THAN ONE CAR.
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IS, UH, I HAVE A NUMBER OF 150 GALLONS.THAT'S THE TOTAL PER MEGA PACK.
UH, WE PROPOSING ALSO, ACCORDING TO THE LAW, THE, THE, THE LAW, UH, A TANK, WE'RE GONNA PROPOSE A, A FALL UNDERGROUND TANK, UH, WHICH CATCHES THE, IF THERE IS A LEAKAGE, IT CATCHES THE, THE COOLANT AND IS STORED INSIDE THE TANK.
JUST TO CLARIFY, A SIMILAR TO, UH, IS, IS THE SAME COOLANT THING YOU HAVE IN A CAR.
AND MY LAST QUESTION IS REGARDING PPES.
YOU ARE LIVING OFF OBNOXIOUS GASES, POTENTIALLY.
ONE OF THE REASONS, OBVIOUSLY WE WANNA KEEP IT A HUNDRED FEET FROM, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL AREA IN PARTICULAR, OR ANY BU BUILDING IS BECAUSE OF NOXIOUS GASES.
NOW THESE ARE, THESE ARE LOT SMALLER UNITS THAN SOME OF THE OTHER ONES WE'VE LOOKED AT.
THE ONE YOU'VE BUILT IN YORKTOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF A, A FIELD, UH, A FIELD, NOT, NOT RIGHT, RIGHT ON TOP OF, NOT ON THIS CONJECT AREA AS THIS ONE, I DON'T THINK, BUT TELL ME ABOUT WHAT, UH, NEEDS TO BE DONE IN TERMS OF P P E FOR THE FIRE DISTRICT AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDRESSED.
UH, DAMIEN OR DAMIEN, ARE YOU ON THE, UH, PERIMETER, ONE CAME ON THE GROUND, THE SIGNAGE THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE P P E WITHIN THE, THE 50 FOOT BOUNDARY C CONTAIN BLEEDING APPARATUS.
IF HE CAN, CAN SOMEBODY ELSE ANSWER BECAUSE YOU, DAMIEN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A CONNECTION OR THE MIC, BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
GIVE IT ANOTHER, GIVE IT ANOTHER TRY.
AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, WE, WE ARE GONNA TRY TO, UH, TO COVER THAT.
OH, YOU CAN HEAR ME NOW? BETTER? A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
IF YOU CAN SPEAK UP AND SPEAK SLOWLY,
DURING A FIRE EVENT, YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE SELF CONTAINED BLEEDING APPARATUS WITHIN THE 50 FOOT BOUNDARY.
SO WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE IS, YOU KNOW, PAINTING A BOUNDARY LINE ON THE GROUND AND SIGNAGE TO INDICATE THAT TO FIRE PERSONNEL ON SITE DURING A FIRE.
AND, AND WHAT ABOUT TRAINING, TRAINING, THE, THE, UH, THE FIRST RESPONDERS? HOW IS THAT GONNA HAPPEN? IS A LITTLE, WHAT IS A LITTLE BAD HERE, DAVID? LET ME TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
WE HAVE A, A PACKAGE SENT OUT, UH, UH, A FIRE, UH, UH, A SAFETY PACKAGE SENT OUT FOR THE VIEW OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UH, WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE FEEDBACK.
WE HAVE NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY DATES.
WE ARE LOOKING FOR, UH, APPROVAL A CERTAIN LEVEL FIRST, BUT WE HAVE TRAINING, WE HAVE A TECHNICAL PERSON THAT WORKS WITH THESE PRODUCTS WITH TESLA.
UH, WHAT'S HIS NAME AGAIN? IS IN, I THINK IT'S PAUL ROGERS.
I KNOW PAUL, I KNOW PAUL ROGERS.
SO WE ARE I PROPOSING WE ARE PAYING, WE ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE HIM COME OVER.
I FORGOT HOW LONG THE TRAIN IS GONNA BE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A FULL DAY.
UH, I CAN LOOK THAT IN THE DRAWINGS RIGHT HERE.
UH, YES, WE, WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE TRAINING AND OF COURSE WE PAY FOR THE COST.
UH, AND WE DID THE SAME THING IN YORKTOWN.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE THINGS ARE CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, PRODUCT.
AND I KNOW, I KNOW PAUL IS WELL, WELL KNOWN IN, I KNOW PAUL'S VERY WELL KNOWN IN THIS FIELD.
WE'VE, I THINK WE ACTUALLY TALKED TO PAUL AT ONE POINT, AARON, CORRECT? ON THE BATTERY COMMITTEE? YEAH, WE DID.
I THOUGHT THAT WALTER, YEAH, YOU KNOW, YOU, UH, UH, UH, YOU RAISED A VERY IMPORTANT, UH, QUESTION OR ISSUE EARLIER.
AND FIRST OF ALL, FOR BOTH SITES, THERE IS, UH, UH, SECURITY PERSONNEL WHO IS THERE 24 7, NOT FOR THE BATTERIES, BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY INCIDENT THAT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, UH, HAPPENING IN THE, UH, ON SITE AND, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE A, SO, SO IF, IF THERE IS SOMETHING, UH, HAPPENING AT THE UNIT, UH, WE WILL HAVE OUR, UH, THE 24 7 SECURITY GUARDS WHO ARE GONNA BE, UH, FINDING OUT ABOUT THAT VERY QUICKLY.
NOW, THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE IS REALLY THE DATA THAT IS SENT TO TESLA OVER THE MONITORING SE SYSTEM 24 7.
AND TESLA WILL FIND OUT IN ADVANCE OF EVERYONE IF THERE IS ANY ISSUE WITH ANY CELL INSIDE THE UNITS MM-HMM.
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UH, THEY WILL, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE SOFTWARE IS GOING TO TAKE MEASURES, WHETHER IT IS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TURN OFF THE UNITS OR ANY OTHER MEASURES IN ORDER TO MITIGATE THE ISSUE.NOW, IF THE ISSUE IS NOT RESOLVED, THEN YOU CONTINUE TO HAVE BUILDUPS.
AND OF COURSE, UM, WE HAVE, UH, THE, UH, WE'RE GONNA PUT SIGNAGE WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, TELEPHONE NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, E EVERYBODY WHO HAS TO BE REACHED FOR THIS, WHETHER IT IS LANDLORD, WHETHER IT IS I P P SOLAR, WHETHER IT IS, UH, THE FIRE DISTRICT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
EVERYONE, UH, WILL, WILL HAVE THOSE SIGNAGES THERE IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYONE THAT HAS, UH, IS SEEING ANYTHING IS GONNA BE ABLE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, NOTIFY THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, FIRST RESPONDERS.
THE ONE SUGGESTED I WOULD MAKE, I KNOW THE SECURITY AT THAT FACILITY, IT'S BASICALLY ONE GUY RUNNING AROUND IN A LITTLE CAR ALL NIGHT.
IT'S A FAIRLY LARGE PIECE OF LAND.
I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT THERE BE SECURITY CAMERAS PUT IN THERE THAT AS A CONDITION OF THIS, SO THAT THERE IS SOME OTHER MONITORING TO IT.
MAYBE IT CAN SHOW UP ON HIS, HIS IPHONE AND MY SECURITY CAMERAS AT HOME SHOW UP ON MY IPHONE.
SO MAYBE THEY COULD DO THAT JU JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE YOU, HI, IT COULD BE 45 MINUTES AN HOUR BEFORE HE GETS BACK AROUND TO THAT.
AND I DO WORRY ABOUT KIDS IN VANDAL.
BERNARDO, AND THEN COR, GO AHEAD.
YES, JUST TO, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY THE POINT HERE, I THINK HE SPOKE OUT OF WATER IN TERMS OF THE, THE IMMEDIATE RESPONSE.
THE IMMEDIATE RESPONSE IS FROM THE TESLA COMMAND CENTER.
THEY ARE MONITORING THESE, THERE ARE DATA POINTS FOR EVERY SINGLE CELL.
THEY KNOW THE CURRENT, THEY KNOW THE TEMPERATURES, AND THIS IS THEIR, THIS IS THEIR FIRST LINE OF RESPONSE.
AND, UH, YES, YOU CAN DEFINITELY, UH, ADD SOME CAMERAS AND THAT THE SECURITY GUY, LIKE YOU POINTED OUT, IS A VISUAL INFECTION THAT, UH, WE ARE NOT RELYING ON THE, ON THE SECURITY GUY.
WHAT I DID WITH MY SECURITY CAMERA, BERNARDO, IS I ACTUALLY GET A NOTICE AS SOON AS SOMEBODY GOES IN FRONT OF MY SECURITY CAMERA, IT SHOWS UP ON MY IPHONE.
I'M SAYING THE SECURITY GUY DRIVING AROUND IS NOT THE FIRST, IS NOT, UH, OUR, OKAY.
THE ONLY THING HE'S GONNA DO, HE IS NOT GONNA SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING INT IN INTERNALLY.
BUT IF YOU GET A BUNCH OF KIDS BACK THERE, RIGHT, OKAY.
YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO KICK THEM OUT REAL QUICK.
COR, I THINK YOU HAD A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.
UM, SORRY, ONE LAST THING ON THAT.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN INFRARED CAMERA INSTALLED AT THE YORKTOWN FACILITY.
WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS, UH, EXERCISE ALREADY AND IT WOULD BE VERY EASY FOR US TO DO THAT.
UH, I THINK MY QUESTION IS MAYBE, UH, UH, POINTED TO AARON, UH, AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S IN RELATION TO THE LARGER ISSUE SINCE THEY'RE COMING FOR AMENDED SITE PLAN AND REDUCTION INTO PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
I MEAN, TWO, I THINK THEY'RE COMING FOR THE WAIVER ON THAT ONE.
UH, IS IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE THIS OWNER OF THE SHOPPING CENTERS TO, UH, MAKE THIS, UH, THE REQUEST EVERY TIME THEY COME AND THEY GET THIS THING.
SO IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN ASK THEM TO MAKE THIS PRETTY DILAPIDATED SHOPPING CENTER TO KIND OF MAINTAIN PROPERLY MAINTAINED PROPERLY? YEAH, I MEAN, THE PLACES THEY COME EVERY TIME, BUT THINGS IS JUST, JUST VERY UH, UH, VERY, VERY KIND OF, UH, DEGRADATED.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE WHOLE THING IS SO BADLY, UH, UH, MAINTAINED.
YEAH, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, I DON'T, I AGREE WITH CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ.
I MEAN, WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION, BUT I DON'T THINK IT RELATES TO THIS SPECIFIC AMENDED SITE PLAN, YOU KNOW, UM, AND SPECIAL PERMIT AND PARKING REDUCTION, IF THERE'S ANYTHING I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND TRAFFIC FOR, I MEAN, IT'S A MORE KIND OF A BRINGING THEM TO TABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES THAT WE FACE EVERY TIME THEY COME FROM THIS ONE.
WE, WE CAN
I MEAN, THE THING IS, I THINK THEY ACTUALLY HAVE UPGRADED THE FACADE ON THE ON AND, AND IT'S, THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES I THINK ARE MUCH BETTER CONDITION THAN THERE WERE BEFORE THE PARKING LOTS IN BETTER CONDITION THAN IT WAS BEFORE.
THE TRAFFIC FLOW IS STILL BAD.
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THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, AARON.AND I THINK, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OTHER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS TO DAVE, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH.
AARON AND DAVE, ALL, ALL I WANNA SAY IS THAT, UM, WE HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH MIDWAY AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVES.
UM, THEY HAVE SOME OTHER IDEAS FLOATING AROUND FOR THE CENTER, UH, THAT COULD VERY WELL RESULT IN IMPROVED, UH, TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS AND CIRCULATION WITHIN PORTIONS OF THE SITE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO AWARE, CAN WE DISCUSS THOSE BEFORE DAVE? OKAY.
FIRST OF ALL, TO, UH, RESPOND A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT T'S QUESTION WE, WE CAN GO BACK, UM, ON PRIOR APPROVALS AND, AND, UH, CONFIRM, UH, OR NOT CONFIRM IF THEY'RE, UH, MEETING CONDITIONS ON CERTAIN MATTERS.
UM, THE QUESTION THAT I HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE KURT HAD ASKED THAT QUESTION IS, WHEN IT COMES TO SECURITY IS, UM, IN ADDITION, UH, TO CAMERAS, IS THERE A, IF THERE'S, IS THERE SORT OF AN, AN ALARM SYSTEM THAT CAN GO DIRECTLY TO EITHER GREENBURG POLICE OR GREENVILLE FIRE DEPARTMENT? UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AND THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF IF THERE'S MISCHIEF GOING AROUND THAT, UH, GREENBURG POLICE CAN BE NOTIFIED ALONG WITH, UM, THE, UH, MALL SECURITY.
I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT TO DAMIEN, BUT I BELIEVE, UH, THE TESLA COMMAND CENTER, UH, CAN SIGNAL OR SEND SIGNALS TO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FIRE DISTRICT IF WE WANTED TO, IN THE EVENT THINGS SPIRAL OUT OF CONTROL.
SO THAT'S NOT WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT THOUGH.
I THINK I'VE HEARD VANDALISM, JUST AN INTRUSION.
UH, I, I THINK WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT CAMERAS, WE PUT THE FENCE AND, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE ENCLOSURES ARE INCREDIBLY STRONG.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN EASILY BREAK THEM.
UH, SO YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE A SET OF EXTREME EVENTS HERE FOR ANYONE TO ACCESS THE INSIDE THE BELLY OF THE, UH, THE UNIT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA KNOW IF, IF, IF, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, SOMEONE BREACHED THE FENCE, WHETHER THAT COULD TRIGGER.
I THINK DAVE, I THINK EVEN WITH MY SYSTEM, WHICH IS AN OFF THE SHELF SYSTEM, I CAN, I CAN SEND IT MORE OF PLACES THAN ONE IF I WANTED TO.
I THINK I'M PRETTY SURE THAT TECHNOLOGY EXISTS.
MAR I NOTICED THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT ON MUTE.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP.
UM,
ARE THEY INTENDING TO PUT EV CHARGERS IN WITH THESE? YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
AND IT'S NOT UNLIKELY THAT SOMETIME AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE THAT TAKES PLACE BECAUSE EV CHARGING, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A HUGE BURST OF POWER IN A VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME.
IT, AND THAT BURST OF POWER IS GOING TO PUT A LOT OF STRESS ON, ON THE GRID.
IF YOU HAVE ONE CAR CHARGING, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL.
BUT FAST FORWARD FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, HOW MANY, YOU SAID, UH, AARON, 1100 PARKING SPOTS, IF YOU HAVE ONLY 20% OF THOSE BEING ELECTRIC AND ALL THOSE WANT A FAST CHARGE, I MEAN, AS WE ARE GRID AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, IT CANNOT HANDLE THAT.
SO THE ONLY SOLUTION IS THE BATTERIES.
AND HENCE WHY I HAD WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THREE OR FOUR UNIT, IT SEEMS UNREASONABLE GIVEN HOW NEW THE TECHNOLOGIES, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE OF COURSE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY ASPECT.
BUT DOWN THE ROAD, THIS WOULD GIVE THAT KIND OF FLEXIBILITY THAT YOU WANT BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA SEE NOT JUST CARS.
I AM SEEING IN OUR, IN THE INDUSTRY PEOPLE WITH COMING UP WITH ELECTRIC TRUCKS, ELECTRIC SCHOOL BUSES, YOU KNOW, WHERE WHERE IS ALL THIS POWER COMING FROM? SOMEBODY HAS TO EXPLAIN IT TO ME.
WELL, IT'S MORE THAN IT'S, WELL, THERE ARE SEVERAL ISSUES.
THE FIRST ISSUE I THINK IS OUR TOWN, YOU KNOW, MR. SIMON AND HIS, UH, GOING AWAY SPEECHES CHAIRPERSON LAST YEAR, I THINK SAID IT BEST, BUT HE WAS POINTING TO WHAT SOME OF OUR PRIORITIES IN OUR TOWN ARE.
AND ONE OF OUR PRIOR PRIORITIES IS TRYING TO DEAL WITH CHARGING STATIONS.
I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THE MIDDLE OF A SHOPPING CENTER IS A, THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO PUT CHAR CHARGING
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STATIONS, BUT UP TOP THERE.WELL, I'M PARTICULARLY GIVEN THE PARKING ISSUES, AS RETTA HAS POINTED OUT, AND WE'VE DEALT WITH IN GREAT, IN EXCRUCIATING DETAIL THIS PARTICULAR SHOPPING CENTER AND HAVE, HAVE ACTUALLY, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ISSUES ABOUT THAT.
SO I THINK THAT THE TOWN SEPARATE FROM ALL THIS NEEDS TO ADDRESS VERY QUICKLY.
'CAUSE I, IT, IT, YOU'RE RIGHT MO IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THING TO ADDRESS, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, I THINK AS A TOWN TOWN WIDE POLICY FOR WHERE WE WANT FOR PAY, UH, VERSUS COMPLIMENTARY CHARGING STATIONS.
IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE COMPLIMENTARY IN A, IN A, IN AN AN OFFICE PARK.
IT'S ANOTHER THING TO HAVE FOR PAY CHARGING STATIONS IN THE MIDDLE OF A BUSY SHOPPING CENTER.
AND THAT I THINK WE NEED TO DISCUSS SEPARATELY FROM THE, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S RIGHT OR WRONG, I'M JUST SAYING IT NEEDS TO BE, BE DISCUSSED.
UM, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE OVERTIME AND WALTER'S GONNA YELL AT ME, BUT GO AHEAD AARON.
I WONDER, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? I'M SORRY.
I JUST WANNA MAKE A FINAL COMMENT.
BUT BEFORE YOU DO AARON, NOTICE HAND UP.
AARON, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? I WAS ONLY GONNA ALERT YOU OF THE TIME AND, AND, AND MAKE ONE, YOU KNOW, JUST TO REITERATE THAT GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT WILL BE PROVIDING WRITTEN COMMENTS AND THE FEEDBACK TO THE QUESTIONNAIRE, UH, TO TOWN STAFF IN SHORT ORDER, WHICH WE WILL GET OUT TO THE BOARD.
AND WE'LL ALSO BE INVITED TO A FUTURE MEETING.
I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT MR. SIMON, PLEASE KEEP IT BRIEF.
JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, MY COMMENTS WHEN I, UH, AT THE END OF LAST YEAR, I THINK AT SOME POINT THE PLANNING BOARD SHOULD MAKE A FORMAL REQUEST TO THE TOWN BOARD TO SET UP A, A, A GROUP, UH, TO LOOK AT CONSTRUCTING A, PROPOSING A LAW FOR CHARGING STATION.
I THINK WE ALL TALK ABOUT WE NEED TO MOVE ON THAT ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THAT.
WELL, BEFORE WE DO, UM, WE NEED TO HAVE THE FIRE DISTRICT'S COMMITTEE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS.
WE NEED TO HAVE A FIRE DISTRICT'S OPINION, UH, IN, IN PLACE AND BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT WITH THESE FOLKS.
A VERY GOOD PRESENTATION TONIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MUCH THE APPLICANT.
UM, I WOULD SUGGEST WE PUT THIS BACK ON, UH, FOR ANOTHER WORK SESSION.
CAN WE DO IT ON THE SIX 16TH? WE DON'T KNOW YET, RIGHT? OR DO I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, MAYBE, WELL, LET ME FIRST SAY THIS.
UM, IT HASN'T BEEN A FORMAL REQUEST, BUT, UH, I DID HAVE A PHONE CONVERSATION WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM BLOOM ENERGY, WHICH WE HAD DEDICATED AND PUT ASIDE A LOT OF TIME AT OUR NEXT MEETING TO DISCUSS.
CHANCES ARE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THE RESPONSES IN BY THIS FRIDAY, AS YOU AND I HAVE DISCUSSED RIGHT IN OUR MEETING.
AND, AND LIKELY WILL BE ASKED TO BE PUT OFF TO A FUTURE DATE ONCE THEY'RE ABLE TO GET THEIR INFORMATION.
WHICH OPENS UP A LOT OF, LEMME JUST LEMME JUST QUICKLY EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD WHAT YOU AND I DISCUSSED YOU TOM AND I DISCUSSED YESTERDAY.
UH, SO EVERYBODY'S UP TO DATE AS YOU KNOW.
THE BLOOM, THE BLOOM ENERGY PROJECT HAS BEEN ANOTHER KIND OF NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO LEARN ABOUT, HAS BEEN, UH, ADJOURNED BY THEM, UM, FOR A WHILE.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE ASKED FOR IS AN E E A F, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN FILLED OUT YET, AND ALSO RESPONSES TO THE C A C REPORT SO THAT WE CAN GIVE THEM A VERY PRODUCTIVE WORK SESSION.
AND WE'VE ASKED FOR THAT STUFF BY THIS FRIDAY BECAUSE IT'S NOT FAIR TO THIS BOARD TO HAVE LESS THAN A WEEK TO DIGEST THAT BEFORE WE HAVE A WORK SESSION.
SO THAT'S
SO, UH, IF THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN, LET'S, WE, WE CAN PUT THIS, THIS DEFINITELY BACK ON THE SCHEDULE FOR THE 16TH, RIGHT? IT OPENS UP TIME FOR THIS TO BE RESCHEDULED, RIGHT? THEN WE ANTICIPATE GETTING THAT WRITTEN FEEDBACK FROM GREENVILLE IN SHORT ORDER.
OKAY? SO AS SOON AS WE RECEIVE IT, WE'LL FORWARD IT ALONG TO THE BOARD AS WELL.
OKAY? SO, SO IF THAT, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THAT BY FRI BY FRIDAY IF WE COULD, SO THAT WE GET IT IN THE PACKET FOR THE, THE NEXT, NEXT MEETING.
AND WE'LL KNOW FOR SURE ABOUT ABOUT BLOOM, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GONNA BE PUT OFF TO THE FIRST MEETING IN MARCH, RIGHT? AT LEAST IF NOT, IF NOT BEYOND.
IT'S GONNA BE BASICALLY ON THEIR TIMEFRAME, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY CAN GET THE RESPONSES IN.
WHY DON'T WE MOVE ON? DO YOU WANNA TRANSITION? YEAH, WE'RE GONNA TRANSITION INTO THE NEXT CASE AND I THINK A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS, AS KAT SAID, WERE ALREADY ANSWERED.
I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH BY LITANY ON THE FIRE DISTRICT BECAUSE I SAW WHAT YOU GUYS DID.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE MIRROR IMAGES OF EACH OTHER.
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MORE THE SITE PLAN ISSUES ON THIS, ON THE SECOND ONE THAN IT IS ON THE, SOME OF THESE OTHER ISSUES, WHICH YOU'VE ALREADY GIVEN US ANSWERS ON.SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO CASE PB 21 DASH 33, WHICH IS AGAIN, A BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY.
UH, WE DON'T CHARGE EXTRA FOR TWO MEETINGS IN A NIGHT, BY THE WAY, IT'S THE SAME PLACE
UM, IT'S AN AMENDED SITE PLAN AS WELL AS AGAIN, UH, A, A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION REQUEST BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BE PUTTING THIS IN A PARKING LOT.
UM, AARON, DO YOU WANNA GIVE A BRIEF DESCRIPTION? AND THEN WHAT I'D LIKE AGAIN FOR THE APPLICANT TO DO IS JUST GO THROUGH WHERE IT IS ON THE SITE.
UM, I THINK YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH A LOT LESS DETAIL THIS TIME, VERNADO, BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHERE'S THE SAME, SAY IT'S THE SAME.
SO AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ MENTIONED, THIS NEXT CASE IS CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 33 I P P SOLAR INTEGRATION, L L C FOR A PROJECT LOCATED AT THE GREENVILLE SHOPPING CENTER, 7 99 DASH 8 55 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE, SOUTH PO SCARSDALE IN THE CA, CENTRAL AVENUE MIXED USE IMPACT ZONING DISTRICT, THE PLANNING BOARD.
AS PART OF AN INITIAL WORK SESSION THIS EVENING, WE'LL BE DISCUSSING AN AMENDED SITE PLAN APPLICATION SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A TIER TWO BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM APPLICATION, AND A PLANNING BOARD SHARED PARKING REDUCTION REQUEST INVOLVING THE PROPOSED INSTALLATION OF TWO TESLA MEGA PACKS OF 16 UNITS EACH FOR TOTAL SYSTEM CAPACITY OF 5798.4 KILOWATT HOURS LESS THAN THE 6,000 UH, MAX AS DEFINED WITHIN THE TIER TWO UH, REGULATIONS, THE INSTALLATION IS PROPOSED TO OCCUPY A FOOTPRINT OF APPROXIMATELY 766 SQUARE FEET AND IS PROPOSED TO BE APPROXIMATELY 70 FEET FROM THE NEAREST PROPERTY LINE WHERE 100 FEET IS REQUIRED AND 50 FEET IS ALLOWABLE VIA A WAIVER FROM THE PLANNING BOARD IS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED.
THE, THE SYSTEM IS PROPOSED TO BE APPROXIMATELY 72 FEET FROM THE NEAREST BUILDING WHERE 100 FEET IS REQUIRED AND 10 FEET IS ALLOWABLE VIA A WAIVER ISSUED BY THE PLANNING BOARD SUBJECT TO THE SAME REQUIREMENTS AS PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED.
THE PROJECT INVOLVES THE REMOVAL OF SIX EXISTING OFF STREET PARKING SPACES, NECESSITATING A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION OF THREE SPACES FROM THE BOARD AS THERE ARE 486 SPACES CURRENTLY REQUIRED.
SO THERE ARE THREE IN EXCESS OF WHAT IS REQUIRED, BUT THE APPLICANT IN REMOVING SIX WILL DROP THAT DOWN TO 4 83, WHICH ARE PROPOSED.
SO IT'S A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION OF THE THREE SPACES, AND THAT'S PURSUANT TO 2 3 2 85 DASH 38 D FIVE OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
REAL QUICK, AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THE TIER TWO BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS ARE PERMITTED THROUGH THE ISSUANCE OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT PURSUANT TO SECTION 2 85 DASH 37.1 D OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND I THINK AT THIS TIME, RATHER THAN STATE SOME OF THE SAME THINGS THAT I SAID EARLIER, I'LL TURN THINGS OVER ZA AND BERNARDO FOR THEIR BRIEF PRESENTATION.
AGAIN, THIS IS AN INITIAL WORK SESSION AND WE HAVE YET TO RECEIVE THE WRITTEN RESPONSE AND COMMENTS FROM GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT, BUT THEY'VE BEEN PROVIDED WITH THE LATEST SETS OF PLANS AND APPLICATION MATERIALS AND, UH, ASSOCIATED INFORMATION WE'RE EXPECTING WRITTEN RESPONSE IN SHORT ORDER.
SO VERY SIMILAR TO THE MIDWAY APPLICATION IN THOSE DISCUSS.
AND THE SAME COMMENT, THE SAME COMMENTS WE MADE BEFORE ABOUT THE FIRE DISTRICT APPLIED TO THIS, THIS CORRECT PROJECT.
UH, DO YOU, UH, ARE YOU SEEING MY SCREEN? YEP.
I'M GONNA START, UH, UH, AT THE, THE SITE OVERVIEW HERE.
UH, JUST TO EXPLAIN, UH, QUICKLY, I DON'T WANNA, THE PROJECT IS, IS VERY SIMILAR, LIKE HAS BEEN DISCUSSED.
THIS THE PROPERTY LINE, THIS IS THE GREENVIEW SHOPPING CENTER.
THERE IS ANOTHER EXISTING BUILDING HERE, AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE.
THE, THE, THERE ARE TWO FIRE HYDRANTS.
WE HAVE TO MARK THIS DOWN FOR CONCERNS OF THE FIRE DISTRICT AS DISCUSSED BEFORE.
UH, LET ME CAPACITY IS THE SAME TWO UNITS LESS THAN 6,000? UH, I'LL SHOW ONE THING THAT I WANT THE DIFFERENCE HERE.
ONE THING THAT IS DIFFERENT IS, UH, THE SETBACKS ARE DIFFERENT,
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LIKE, UH, POINTED OUT BY, UH, AARON 70 FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE.WE HAVE 83 FEET TO THE WEST, TO THE EAST SIDE HERE TO THE PROPERTY LINE, AND WE HAVE 72 FEET TO THE NEAREST BUILDING, WHICH IS THE FIDELITY INVESTMENTS BUILDING.
CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE PROPERTY LINE IN THE BACK? IS THAT IN THE BACK PLACE WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL, THE RESIDENCE ARE? ACTUALLY THERE'S A STREET THAT THE RESIDENCE IS ON, OR LEMME PULL.
UH, THIS HERE? UH, THIS IS THE SITE.
THIS IS THE, YES, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
THIS THE LOCATION WE'RE PROPOSING THE BATTERY.
SO WHEN YOU ASK ABOUT THE, THE, THE REAR PROPERTY LINE, YES, THERE IS DOCHESTER DRIVE HERE IN AREA.
IN THIS, THE LOCATION THAT WE ARE TAKING, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THIS DETAIL QUICKLY HERE.
UH, LET ME GO BACK TO THE DETAIL,
DOES THE QUESTION BEFORE, UH, UH, WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WERE BETWEEN THE PROJECTS? SO NOW WE HAVE THE FULL FENCE HERE AND EIGHT FEET CLEARANCE INSIDE THE FENCE FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE BATTERIES.
OF COURSE, IF THE TOWN SAID, OKAY, LET'S DO THE SAME THING, WE COULD HAVE DONE THE SAME, UH, GREEN VIEW, BUT THERE IS NO NOTE FOR IT.
I DON'T WANNA CHANGE THIS DRAWING.
I WANNA GO BACK HERE ON OUR PAGE.
THE REASON WE DON'T NEED TO DO THIS IS BECAUSE IT FITS PRECISELY IN THE EXISTING PARKING ISLAND.
SO THIS IS, FEELS LIKE IT WAS MADE FOR THAT.
IT FEELS LIKE THIS SPOT HERE IS MADE FOR TWO BATTERIES.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE A, ALL WE DID IS REMOVE THE PARKING SPOTS.
SO THAT WAS A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN MIDWAY IN GREENVILLE.
UH, EVERYTHING ELSE STAYS THE SAME.
THE TEMPERA, THE, THE FIRE, THE COMMISSION, THE DECOMMISSION, THE EMERGENCY PLAN, EVERYTHING THAT WE DISCUSSED BEFORE IS APPLICABLE TO THE GREENVIEW PROJECT AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? THIS HERE, MAKE THIS A LITTLE BIGGER.
I HAVE NO, AND AND JUST, SORRY, GO AHEAD WALTER.
YEAH, I JUST, WHEN WE, NOW THAT WE ARE ON THE PARKING, UH, WE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT, UH, UH, OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE FAR HIGHER THAN ALL THE OTHER COMMUNITIES.
UH, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AND I KNOW OVER THE YEARS WE TRIED TO MAKE COMP, WE TRIED TO COMPENSATE THAT BY GIVING PARKING WAIVERS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING ON THAT SITE AND WHAT WILL BE THE PARKING, UH, REQUIREMENTS.
IF THIS IS APPROVED, I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE, I THINK, I THINK, UH, AARON GAVE YOU THOSE NUMBERS ALREADY.
AND I CAN GIVE, GIVE THEM TO YOU AGAIN.
IT WAS 4 89 IS WHAT IS CURRENT, BUT 4 86 IS REQUIRED.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO 4 83, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AFTER WE GAVE THE WAIVERS, OR NO, BEFORE THE WA RIGHT NOW THERE 4 89 SPACES.
YEAH, 4 86 IS REQUIRED UNDER CODE AFTER THE WAIVER, IF WE GIVE THEM THE WAIVER FOR THIS PROJECT, THEY'LL BE AT 4 83? CORRECT.
OKAY, SO IT'S JUST THREE LESS THAN THE ORIGINAL REQUIRED? YES, SIR.
BECAUSE WE HAVE THREE BEFORE, CORRECT THE PROJECT, RIGHT? YEAH.
ANYTHING ELSE, WALTER? NO, THAT WAS, THAT'S THAT, THAT WAS IT.
MARMA, DO YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? PLEASE? TURN ON YOUR MIC PLEASE, MONA.
UM, SO I WENT TO THE SITE THIS AFTERNOON AND I KNOW, UM, WE'RE WITHIN 70 SOMETHING FEET, BUT THE NEIGHBORS IN THE BACK, THEY CAN CLEARLY SEE THIS INSTALLATION AND AFRAID THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA SEE THIS AND THEY'RE GONNA BE CONCERNED ABOUT IT, THAT WE ARE MAKING THIS VARIANCE.
AND I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA
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VERY HAPPY ABOUT IT, QUITE FRANKLY, TO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE VARIANCE.'CAUSE IT'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A STRAIGHT PATH.
AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY, I, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE REALLY CONCEALING THIS AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY DON'T YEAH.
THIS IS MORE DIFFERENT THAN ELECTRICAL TRANSFORMER IN THE, NOT THAT IT'S PRETTY BACK THERE.
WHAT THEY'RE SEEING NOW IS NOT PRETTY, BUT RIGHT.
DO YOU SEE MY SCREEN OR NO? MAYBE YOU DON'T.
I TOOK DOWN BERNARDO'S SO MAER CAN PUT HIS UP.
I DID WANNA CLARIFY WHY WHILE MAER IS DOING THAT, THAT UH, FOR MS. FREYTAG AND, AND BOARD MEMBERS, THAT IT WOULD NOT BE A VARIANCE TO REDUCE IT.
IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE A WAIVER.
TRUTHFULLY, THE WA THE PROBLEM IS JUST BEFORE MAIER PUTS THAT UP, WHETHER IT WAS 70 FEET OR A HUNDRED FEET, THE STILL HAVE THE SAME SIGHT LINE PROBLEM.
THE STATE LINE PROBLEM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAIVER.
BECAUSE THEY'RE BIG, THOSE HOUSES, THEY'RE ARE UP ON A HILL AND THEIR ANGLE IS LOOKING DOWN ON THAT PARKING LOT.
THAT'S WHERE THE ISSUE COMES IN.
THIS IS THE STREET VIEW AND THERE IS A FENCE.
CAN YOU SHARE IT WITH HER? YOUR, YOUR, UH, YES.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU SEE OR YOU CANNOT NO, YOU'RE NOT SHARING YOUR SCREEN.
LET ME, I'M GONNA SHARE IT WITH YOU.
THIS IS DORCHESTER DRIVE AND SO YOU'LL HAVE A, A, A FENCE HERE, UH, ON THE LEFT.
I MEAN, UM, AND SO THAT'S, UM, THEY SEE RIGHT OVER THAT THE PROBLEM, THE MOTOR IS SAYING, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, THEY SEE RIGHT OVER THAT FENCE.
LIKE IF YOU'RE DOWN BELOW IN THE PARKING LOT, THEY, YOU CAN SEE THOSE HOUSES.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY
WELL, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? I DO EXACTLY UNDERSTAND.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE WITH THEM.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAIVER.
MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING WE, YOU KNOW, IF IT COMES UP, MAYBE WE COULD PUT SOMETHING IN FRONT OF THE FENCE THAT'S HIGHER.
BUT I THINK WE SHOULD SEE WHAT THE, WHAT THE COMMUNITY SAYS ABOUT THAT.
I THINK WE SHOULD PARKING, YOU KNOW WHAT I WAS, THE, THE VIEWS ARE PARKING LOT ANYWAY.
I I, I, I WOULD TEND TO THINK THAT THAT STRUCTURE WOULDN'T BE SO MUCH OF AN EYESORE.
BUT, BUT I THINK MOTOR'S JUST GIVING ADVANCED WARNING OF WHAT WE MAY HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY.
I, I THINK WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, BE AWARE.
WALTER, THEN TOM, ONE, ONE OF THE WAYS THAT YOU MIGHT, UH, IS TO GET A LINE OF VIEW DIAGRAM, YOU SHOW A LINE OF VIEW VIEW IF FIFTH 75 FEET AND A LINE OF VIEW OF THE HUNDRED FEET.
AND I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
BUT YOU'LL HAVE A DIAGRAM TO DEMONSTRATE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
AT LEAST YOU HAVE THE DATA TO SUBSTANTIATE.
BUT THEY MAY, I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE TO SEE WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY, THEY SAY.
I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT JOHANN'S SAYING.
AND TOM, YOU WANNA SPEAK, SO GO RIGHT AHEAD.
YEAH, I WAS, I WANTED TO SAY THE SAME THING AS JOHANN.
I DON'T FEEL THAT THIS IS A, UM, UNSIGHTLY INSTALLATION.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE PUTTING SOME DUMPSTERS THERE, OR IT'S AN OLD TRUCK THAT'S SITTING THERE.
IT'LL BE BRAND NEW FENCING, VERY SLEEK BATTERY PACK INSTALLATION.
IT'S COMMERCIAL, I MEAN, OR INDUSTRIAL LOOKING.
IT IS ALSO IN A PARKING LOT WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE BACKS OF BUILDINGS.
I DON'T DIMINISH THEIR, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANCE OF THEIR VIEW, BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S A BIG DETRIMENT.
UM, AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT AIR CONDITIONING UNITS ON TOP OF BUILDINGS AT THE SAME TIME.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT AGAIN, THE BACK OF THE, UH, BUILDING IS, IS CLOSER, IS, IS VISIBLE FOR THE, BY THE PEOPLE HERE.
AND IT'S NOT THE PRETTIEST SITE.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE, UH, DUMPSTERS HERE.
YOU HAVE, UH, SOME TRANSFORMERS AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S,
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IT'S NOT THE PRETTIEST SITE FROM THIS POINT OF VIEW, THIS, THIS ANGLE.UH, AND, AND THE ROOF AS WELL.
IT'S NOT THE PRETTIEST ROOF EVER.
WELL I, IT JUST MAY COME UP AND MO'S JUST SAYING THAT IT MAY COME UP THAT, THAT THAT'S WHAT, YEAH.
I, I JUST WANT TOM, TOM DID YOU FOR, UH, THE HEADS UP.
TOM, WERE YOU FINISHED? DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY? NO, THAT WAS IT.
I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION THAT WE DIDN'T BRING UP, AND I'M SURE YOU HAVE AN ANSWER TO IT ALREADY, WHICH IS NOISE, BECAUSE THERE IS A NOISE PART OF THIS TOO.
DO, DO WE KNOW, CAN THEY HEAR ANYTHING AND ANY OF THESE RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN THERE? WHAT, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE DECIBEL LEVEL AT THE PROPERTY LINE DO WE KNOW? WELL, THERE, THIS A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
UH, AT, UH, THE RATED AT, UH, WE EXPECTED AT THIS TEMPERATURE, NORTHEAST TEMPERATURE, ACCORDING TO TESLA TO OPERATE RIGHT HERE IS AT 40% CAPACITY.
WE GET 60 DECIBELS AT 10 FEET, 10 METERS, WHICH IS 32 FEET.
AT 32 FEET DISTANCE, WE GET 60 DECIBELS.
UH, WHICH MEANS THE CODE, UH, THE, THE, THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE CODE REQUIRES 60 BELS AT PROPERTY LINE.
IF WE ARE JUST THERE, SO WE ARE WITHIN THE, WE ARE WELL BELOW THE THRESHOLD.
BUT, BUT, BUT THERE IS A, THERE'S A BUTTON, YOU HAVE TO BE CLEAR, TRANSPARENT, UH, AT FULL, UH, UH, RADIO AREA CAPACITY.
IT COULD GO UP TO 75 DECIBELS AT 32 FEET.
WHICH, WHICH WE DISCUSSED WITH THE TOWN.
AND WE SAID, OKAY, LISTEN, THAT'S WHAT WE PROPOSE TO DO.
WE BELIEVE THIS IS GOING BE LOWER, UH, PROPERTY LINE, BUT WE'LL, THROUGH COMMISSIONING, WE ARE GOING TO MEASURE THAT WE ARE GOING TOTTLE UP THE UNITS AND MEASURE THE, THE, THE SOUND LEVEL AND, UH, ACT APPROPRIATELY.
YOU JUST MADE TO COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT, WHEN YOU DID THE CALCULATION THAT BASED ON THE TEMPERATURE IN THE NORTHEAST, AS WE KNOW, THE TEMPERATURE IN THE NORTHEAST VARIES FROM ABOUT ZERO TO ABOUT A HUNDRED.
RIGHT? SO WHEN IS IT, WHEN IS, DO YOU NEED, DO YOU NEED MORE CAPACITY WHEN IT'S ZERO OR WHEN IT'S A HUNDRED? HOW MUCH? A HUNDRED DAYS.
IF YOU'RE AT 40, IS THAT AN AVERAGE 40%? IS THAT AN AVERAGE IS OR WHAT DO YOU THINK THE RANGE WOULD BE FROM ZERO TO A HUNDRED? WE ONLY HAVE DATA FROM TESLA.
TESLA HAS DONE DATA IN THE NORTHEAST AND SAID THAT WE EXPECT TO BE WITH THE 40% CAPACITY OF THE COOLERS.
NOW, WHEN THEY WORKED IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION LIKE SAUDI ARABIA, THEY NEEDED TO RAMP UP THE COOLER.
SO, UH, WE DON'T EXPECT IT TO BE THE CASE IN OUR REGION.
BERNARDO, WHAT I'M ASKING FOR, AND I THINK WE NEED THIS FOR THE NEXT MEETING, IS TRY TO GET AN ANSWER FROM THEM OKAY.
AND THEN LOOK AT WHAT THE, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE NOISE WHEN IT'S A HUNDRED DEGREES, WHICH IS ABOUT THE MAXIMUM THAT YOU CAN EXPECT IN HOPEFULLY
IT'S UNUSUAL IF IT'S MORE THAN A HUNDRED VERSUS WHAT IT IS IN THE WINTER.
HOW FAR ARE THESE UNITS FROM THE CLOSEST HOUSE? NOT THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT FROM THE CLOSEST HOUSE? PROBABLY ANOTHER WAY.
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE EVEN FARTHER FROM, FROM MIDWAY.
IT'D BE CLOSER THOUGH THAN THAT.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO STREET HERE.
YOU AT ABOUT 30 FEET MICHAEL FIGURE WITH THE, WITH DORCHESTER DRIVE AND THEN THE LEAD UP TO THE HOUSE.
I I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT THAT THERE UNITS WERE 70 FEET FROM A PROPERTY LINE.
THEY ADD ANOTHER 30 TO 40 FEET TO THAT FEET AND THE SETBACK.
SO YOU THINK IT'S A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE NEAREST HOUSE? YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
AND THE REASON I ASK IS THIS, I DID A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH.
IF, IF THEY'RE RUNNING AT 60 DECIBELS, YOU KNOW, AT 40% POWER, YOU KNOW, COOLING CAPACITY, NOT POWER, OKAY.
COOLING CAPACITY, RADIATOR CAPACITY, READY PERCENT RADIATOR, THEY'RE RUNNING AT 40%.
IT'S 60 DECIBELS AT 10 METERS.
RIGHT? THAT'S ABOUT A LITTLE OVER 30 FEET.
FOR EVERY TIME YOU DOUBLE THE DISTANCE, THE DECIBELS DECREASED BY SIX AND THE DECIBELS ARE MEASURED EXPONENTIALLY.
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MEANS IT'S MUCH LESS THAN, YOU KNOW, PERCENT OR WHATEVER.SO IF IT'S A HUNDRED FEET, THAT'S THREE TIMES.
SO THAT 18 DECREASE PROBABLY BY NINE OR 10 DECIBELS.
UM, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE.
ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT, UM, IT'S NOT GONNA SOUND NEARLY AS LOUD FROM THE NEAREST HOUSE AS IT WILL BE FROM 10 METERS AWAY.
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'CAUSE MIDWAY THE HOUSES ARE MUCH CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE ABOVE MIDWAY THAN THEY ARE IN GREENVILLE.
SO WE REALLY, UH, IT WOULD JUST BE GOOD TO KNOW WHAT THOSE, THE CALCULATION IS GREAT.
BE GOOD TO GET THE APPLICANT TO GIVE US THAT CALCULATION AT THE NEXT MEETING.
I, I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE DISTANCES FROM THE NEAREST HOUSE, NOT PROPERTY LINE.
THEN WE SHOULD HAVE THE DECIBEL LEVEL, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THESE CALCULATIONS, YOU KNOW, AT THE NEAREST HOUSE.
AND WE SHOULD GET A SENSE OF WHAT 45 DECIBELS ARE, 50 DECIBELS ARE.
AND THEN AGAIN, I LOOKED IT UP.
60 DECIBELS IS A NORMAL CONVERSATION.
YOU KNOW, 50 DECIBELS IS A DISHWASHER.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT IT IS.
ALSO, IF IT'S A CONTINUAL NOISE, NOT A, NOT A, NOT A NOISE THAT GOES UP AND DOWN, YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE TOLERABLE I THINK.
THEY USED TO IT IN A SHORT WHILE.
UM, ANYWAY, IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION FOR THE NEXT MEETING, WALTER, IF I CAN.
AND, AND JUST AS FOLLOW OR MICHAEL SAID IN TERMS OF PRESENTATION, JUST PLOT IT DISTANCE VERSUS A DECIMAL.
AND THEN YOU SEE IF YOU ARE 50 FEET AWAY, 75, A HUNDRED, WHAT'S THE DECIMAL? AND YOU JUST, I'M QUITE SURE, UH, WHERE A PUSHER, A BUTTON, TESLA COULD PRODUCE THOSE GRAPHS, JUST PLOT IT.
AND YOU JUST VISUALLY SEE WHAT THE EFFECT IS, IS, IS TEMPER.
THE PROBLEM IS, UH, WE TRY, WE TRY TO GET THIS INFORMATION.
IT'S VERY, UH, TEMPERATURE RELATED.
THE COOL IS LIKE SAYING THAT THE RADIO IN YOUR CAR WORKS HARDER WHEN IT'S A HOT HUMID DAY.
BERNARD BERNARDO TAKE THE WORST POSSIBLE CASE, WHICH WOULD BE HUNDRED DEGREES AND JUST GOT IT.
TAKE THE WORST POSSIBLE CASE, WHICH IS A HUNDRED DEGREES, AND SEE WHAT WE'RE AT.
I THINK FROM WHAT MICHAEL'S SAYING, AND I BELIEVE HE IS, YOU KNOW, THAT THE CHANCES OF IT ACTUALLY BEING OVER 60 DECIBELS, EVEN AT THE, THE PROPERTY LINE IS NOT ALL THAT HIGH, EVEN AT A HUNDRED DEGREES.
BUT LET'S SEE THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MIDWAY AND GREENVILLE HERE.
IT'S THE FRONT YARD IN GREENVILLE AND MIDWAY IT'S THE BACKYARD AND, AND THE HOUSES ARE MUCH CLOSER TO TO, TO THE SHOPPING CENTER THERE.
LOOK, LOOK, THE OTHER THING YOU COULD DO IS LOOK AT THE AIR CONDITIONING UNITS.
IT'S ON TOP OF THE BUILDING IN MIDWAY, FOR EXAMPLE.
HANG OFF ONE SECOND, AARON, I GOT YOU.
UM, THE AIR CONDITIONING UNITS ON THE TOP OF THE BUILDING AT AT, AT MIDWAY MAY BE NOISIER THAN THIS BATTERY STORAGE AND MAY BE CLOSER.
AARON, WHAT WERE YOU GONNA SAY? I WAS JUST GONNA MENTION THAT WHEN WE APPROXIMATED THE DISTANCE FROM THE UNITS OR THE SYSTEM TO THE NEAREST HOUSE AT GREENVILLE IS APPROXIMATELY 100 FEET, 70 FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE, APPROXIMATELY 30 FEET MORE BASED ON THE REVISIONS MADE BY THE APPLICANT.
AT MIDWAY, THE UNITS ARE GONNA BE 104 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND SO EVEN THOUGH THE HOUSES ARE GONNA BE CLOSER, IT'S STILL ROUGHLY, YOU KNOW, THE SAME.
JUST FOR THE RECORD THOUGH, I MEAN, I, I BELIEVE IT'S GONNA COME OUT.
I BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD DO DOCUMENT THAT THE BEST.
ARE YOU UNDERSTAND YOU CAN WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON, ON ON THAT.
IT WAS A GREAT IDEA BY MICHAEL AND IT SHOULD BE DONE.
IF I, IF I CAN ADD ONE THING IS THAT, LOOK, EVEN AGAIN, IT'S THE, THOSE NOISY, UH, EVENTS, UH, SESSIONS WE'VE HAD WITH TESLA ARE A RARE OCCURRENCE.
'CAUSE YOU REALLY NEED TO HIT THOSE HIGH TEMPERATURES.
MOST OF THE YEAR YOU DON'T HAVE MUCH.
BUT EVEN IF THAT WERE TO BE THE CASE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE MITIGATING MEASURES THAT ARE NOT REALLY DIFFICULT TO ACHIEVE.
YOU CAN PUT SOME MATERIALS, UH, ON THE FENCE THAT ABSORB NOISE AND THAT CAN ALSO SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCE, UH, THE DECIBELS IF YOU REALLY ARE, YOU KNOW, ACHI ATTAINING CERTAIN NUMBERS THAT ARE, ARE, ARE TOO HIGH.
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I, I THINK I, I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S REALLY QUESTIONING THAT, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S POSSIBLE.WE'RE JUST DOTTING, DOTTING OUR I'S AND CROSSING THE T'S BECAUSE IT IS PART OF OUR, OUR CODE AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK IT'S A REALLY DIFFICULT THING TO DO, AND I THINK IT'S A REASONABLE THING TO DO.
AND IT'S ONE LA ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ANSWERED THAT IS, THAT IS LIKELY TO COME UP IN PUBLIC HEARING AS WELL, AND WE, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CORRECT.
THAT THAT'S ALL THERE IS, IS TO THAT.
AND BY THE WAY, IT CAN BE THREE MONTHS OF 85 PLUS DEGREES IN NEW YORK.
CAN E CAN BE 85 DEGREES, NOT, IT'S NOT LIKELY TO BE A HUNDRED FOR THAT.
IT WON'T BE A HUNDRED FOR THAT, AT LEAST WITH GLOBAL WARMING.
MAYBE SOMEDAY IT IS, BUT NOT, NOT LIKELY.
BUT 85, 80 PLUS OUR AVERAGE CAN EASILY HAPPEN FOR TWO TO THREE MONTHS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY BEFORE WE CLOSE FOR THIS EVENING? OKAY.
I THINK WE PUT THIS ON WITH THE OTHER, WITH THE MIDWAY PROJECT.
THAT WAY WE DON'T ASK THE, THE, UH, ASK THE, UH, GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT TO COME TWICE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO COME TWICE THAT WAY.
AND, UH, WE'LL SEE YOU GUYS ON THE 16TH OF FEBRUARY AND THANK YOU FOR A VERY GOOD PRESENTATION TONIGHT.
SO APPRECIATE IT MUCH, UH, TO THE BOARD.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR INTEREST AND, UH, ALL THE COMMENTS, ALL QUESTIONS.
AND, UH, HOPEFULLY WE CAN, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, CONVINCE EVERYONE THAT THIS IS A, A GOOD PROJECT.
YOU, YOU CAN STOP RECORDING NOW.