[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL AGENDA MEETING TO BE HELD VIA ZOOM-ENABLED VIDEO CONFERENCING THURSDAY, January 27, 2022 – 6:30 P.M. ]
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SINCE THE AGENDA WENT OUT, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY SAY THE MEETING HAS STARTED, BUT YOU CAN, IT'S OKAY TO START RECORDING 'CAUSE WE'RE, WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM, SO I DUNNO IF MATT, MATT, ARE YOU HERE TO RECORD MATT? YEAH, I'M HERE.I STARTED THE RECORDING ONLY BECAUSE, HI.
SO I STARTED THE RECORDING ONLY BECAUSE EVEN IF IT'S NOT OFFICIAL, IF YOU'RE TALKING BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HAVE A RECORDING OF IT EVEN FOR THE OTHER.
SO, AT ANY, AT ANY RATE, STEM HAS BEEN VERY GOOD ABOUT SENDING ON THE MATERIALS, AND I DID QUESTION, UM, ONE OF THE ONES BECAUSE IT, IT SEEMED LIKE WE WERE PUTTING IN ALL ARO, ARIDES AND EVERGREENS AND SMALL THINGS.
AND HE, HE CAME BACK, HE'S VERY GOOD.
HE CAME RIGHT BACK AND SAID, WELL, NO, HE WENT OUT TO THE PROPERTY AND IT'S REALLY ON A ROCK FACE.
AND HE DIDN'T THINK ANYTHING, UM, SUBSTANTIAL WOULD BE ABLE TO ROOT ITSELF THERE.
SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS HAPPENING IS THAT WE ARE SEEING TREE PERMITS ISSUED AND PEOPLE, THE, WHICH I'M ASSUMING IS THE TREE SERVICES ARE COMING IN FOR THEM.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE A SLOW BUILDUP TO WHERE IT BECOMES THE DO WHERE EVERYONE DOES IT.
I'M SURE THERE'S SOME COMING DOWN THAT AREN'T BEING CAUGHT, BUT AT LEAST WE'RE ON THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITH THIS IN TERMS OF WHEN SOMETHING'S COMING DOWN, SOMETHING'S BEING PLANTED.
AND I, ON UM, NEXT DOOR, YOU KNOW, NEXT DOOR ON, ON THE APP, IT'S VERY INTERESTING.
THERE WAS A DISCUSSION OF, OF TREES COMING DOWN.
SOMEONE I GUESS WAS IN NEW ROCHELLE AND WAS COMPLAINING AND THERE WAS ALL OF, UM, THESE COMMENTS ABOUT DIFFERENT, THE MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAD TREE LAWS.
AND THEY ALL SEEM TO BE FOCUSED ON PREVENTING TREES TO COME DOWN, WHICH REALLY ISN'T THE PROBLEM.
IT'S ONLY HALF THE PROBLEM BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU PREVENT ALL THE TREES FROM OLD TREES FROM COMING DOWN, EVENTUALLY THEY DIE.
WHAT YOU REALLY NEED TO DO, AND THIS IS THE WONDERFUL CONCEPT THAT AARON REALLY DEVELOPED AND BROUGHT FORWARD, UM, WAS THAT THE GREENBERG LAW DOESN'T JUST LOOK AT CONTROLLING WHAT'S COMING DOWN.
IT LOOKS AT WHAT, PUTTING SOMETHING BACK IN.
AND THAT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE.
OKAY, I THINK WE CAN CALL THIS.
WHO'S THAT? HELLO? OH, IT'S ME, MARGARET.
MARGARET, YOUR GRANDSON'S BIGGEST BENEFACTOR.
I SLEEP ON MY TAKE CARE OF HIM.
MARGARET JUST MENTIONED ALL THE THINGS HE LOVES.
I THINK WE CAN OFFICIALLY SAY THE MEETING HAS STARTED SINCE WE HAVE A QUORUM AND IT'S 6 35 ACCORDING TO MY COMPUTER.
AND THE FIRST PIECE OF BUSINESS WE ALWAYS HAVE IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
I KNOW, UM, ALFRED, UM, MADE SOME CHANGES AND I WANNA THANK ALFRED FOR TAKING THE MINUTES AND WE NEED SOMEONE TO TAKE TONIGHT'S MINUTES.
WELL, THAT WAS A VOLUNTEERING.
WE'LL, SOMEONE MAKE, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS
EVERYONE BEEN STAYING WARM? I HOPE FOR NOW I GOT STUCK.
I HAD TO PUT WINDSHIELD, UM, WASHER FLUID IN MY CAR AND I COULDN'T BELIEVE, WHY DOESN'T THAT HAPPEN WHEN IT'S 45
THAT'S SO FUNNY, TERRY STANDING OUT FREEZING BECAUSE I CAN NEVER REMEMBER HOW TO OPEN THE OPEN MY, UM, I HAVE TO DO THIS.
BUT AT ANY RATE, SO THAT WAS REALLY, UM, THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO SAY ABOUT THE TREE REMOVAL PERMITS.
UM, WE'RE KIND OF WAITING ON GARRETT JOINING US AND, UM, THERE ISN'T A LOT TO COVER TONIGHT OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT ON, AND I THINK MOST OF YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IT, THE EXCESS FOOD FOR THE NEEDY LAW HAS BEEN EXTENDED TO BE FIVE YEARS NOW.
SO THAT'S REALLY, THAT'S WONDERFUL.
UM, IS IT REALLY IN EFFECT THOUGH, BECAUSE LISTEN TO WHAT I SAW WHEN, YOU KNOW, DO YOU GUYS, ANYBODY LIVE IN THE ARLEY AREA? ANYBODY RAISE HAND? ANYBODY? YEAH, SO I WENT, I WENT IN THERE
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AND I SAW UNDER LIKE A PALLET OF, UM, ONIONS AND, YOU KNOW, ROOT VEGETABLES.I SAW SOME FOOD THAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE THE FOOD THAT THESE PEOPLE WOULD PICK UP.
NASTY LOOKING AVOCADOS, NASTY LOOKING BANANAS.
THERE WAS ALL, IT WAS ALL PACKED IN.
IT WAS ALL PACKED IN AND IT WENT TO THE MANAGER.
AND I WAS LIKE, WHAT? LIKE, LIKE I TRIED TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE AND I WAS LIKE, WHY WOULD YOU HAVE THIS ON THE FLOOR? AND HE SAID TO ME, THIS IS FOOD FOR THE NEEDY.
WELL, WHAT IS YOUR YOUR YOUR OBJECTION ON THAT? THEY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET NO, NO, NO.
OKAY, WHICH STORE WAS THAT? WHICH STORE? ARDSLEY, THE CHI, CHICO'S AND ARDSLEY.
LIKE IF YOU GO IN THERE, YOU GO DEEP, DEEP INTO THE STORE, YOU SEE UNDERNEATH A WOOD PALETTE.
YOU SEE LIKE BANANAS THAT LOOK BLACK.
THERE WAS A PILE OF FOOD, THERE WAS A PILE OF FOOD THAT'S PROBABLY NUTRITIOUS FOOD.
AND I JUST, I, AS I SAID, MAYBE YOU DIDN'T HEAR ME, I WAS JUST PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE AND I SAID TO THE MANAGER, WHY WOULD YOU HAVE THIS? WHY WOULD YOU HAVE THIS? AND HE SAID, MARGARET, THIS IS FOOD FOR THE NEEDY.
AND IT MADE ME SO HAPPY AND I DIDN'T SAY, WOW, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WONDERFUL.
I, YOU KNOW, I WAS LIKE, OKAY, I JUST, THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONFORMING TO THE LAW.
WELL, SO WHERE, WHERE WAS IT IN THE STORE ITSELF OR ARDSLEY? LEYS THE STORE? NO, I MEAN, WHERE IN THE STORE BACK ALL THE WAY BACK PAST, LIKE THE DELI COUNTER TO THE LEFT AND LOOK DOWN AND YOU'LL SEE, I THINK WHAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT, NOT IN THE DUMPSTER, BUT GIVE TO OTHERS WHO COME TO WANT NUTRITIOUS FOOD.
OH, YOU HAVE TO COME, YOU HAVE PEOPLE HAVE TO COME TO THE STORE TO GET I DON'T, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
I'M, I'M, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THEY'RE NOT PUTTING IT IN THE DUMPSTER AND PUTTING CLOROX ON IT.
THERE'S FOOD FOR THE NEEDY THERE AND THEY ARE PAYING ATTENTION.
AND THAT'S WONDERFUL BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL OVER WESTCHESTER, UM, TO CHICO'S ALL OVER.
YEAH, WESTCHESTER COUNTY HAS A PRETTY GOOD DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM AS FAR AS I CAN TELL.
THEY, THEY BRING IT ALL TO ONE PLACE AND THEN DISTRIBUTE IT BACK OUT, WHICH REALLY IS SOMETHING THAT MANY PLACES ARE MISSING.
BUT WESTCHESTER DOES HAVE IT SO THEY CAN PRETTY QUICKLY PROCESS WHAT GETS DELIVERED AND SEND IT BACK OUT TO WHERE IT'S NEEDED.
MAYBE IT IN A WAY THAT MADE, WAIT, LET ME MAY SAY MAYBE I SAID SOMETHING THAT MADE PEOPLE THINK THAT I WAS, UM, NOT POSITIVE ABOUT THAT MESSAGE, BUT I, I FELT THAT THAT WAS A GREAT THING.
IT'S, UM, JUST, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A COUNTY OPERATION.
WHAT THE ORGANIZATION THAT PICKS UP MOST OF THE FOOD IS, UH, UH, THE WESTCHESTER FOOD BANK, WHICH IS NOW CALLED FEEDING WESTCHESTER.
AND THAT'S WHAT PICKS UP THE FOOD AND THEY TAKE IT TO THEIR FACILITY IN ELMSFORD AND THEY ACTUALLY INSPECT IT IN ELMSFORD.
AND THEN THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE TWO DIVISIONS, THE GATHERING AND THE DISTRIBUTION.
AND THEN, UH, THEY, THEN THEY SEND IT OUT TO VARIOUS, UH, UH, LIKE CHURCHES, UH, COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS AND, AND, UM, HUNGRY FAMILIES AND I, BUT I BELIEVE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, OTHER ORGANIZATIONS CAN, UH, UNDER THE LAW GO PICK UP FOOD TOO.
UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, UH, FEEDING WESTCHESTER THOUGH, THAT'S THE LARGEST ONE.
BUT, UH, ANY, ANY ORGANIZATION THAT, UH, THAT PROVIDES, THAT'S A NOT-FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS PROVIDES, UH, FOOD TO, UH, TO THE NEEDY FOR FREE, UM, UH, CAN, UH, REQUEST TO PICK IT UP FROM THE LOCAL STORES.
AND, UH, UH, UH, WE, IN THE YEAR THAT THE LAW HAS BEEN, IN FACT WE'VE HAD VIRTUALLY NO PROBLEMS. THE ONLY ISSUES WE'VE HAD THAT I KNOW OF IS TWICE, ONCE WAS IN DOBBS FERRY, AND I'M NOT SURE THE LOCATION OF THE OTHER, WHERE THE STORE MANAGER DIDN'T KNOW OF THE NEW LAW.
AND TOM NAN CALLED HIM AND SAID, YOU KNOW, UH, THIS IS THE LAW.
AND, UH, WITHIN ONE OR TWO DAYS THEY GOT CLEARED UP AND FOOD STARTED FLOWING.
THE ONLY PROBLEM REALLY WAS JUST, UH, THE LOCAL MANAGER NOT KNOWING ABOUT IT, BUT NO ONE'S HAD A PROBLEM WITH, WITH IT.
STEPHANIE, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, UM, ALONG WITH LIKE GANG DONATIONS THAT YOU COULD DROP OFF AT, UH, FEEDING WESTCHESTER.
I KNOW SOME OF THE SCHOOLS IN, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE ALSO WORKING WITH FEEDING WESTCHESTER, SO I KNOW, UM, I THINK EDGEMONT IS, I'M NOT 100%
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ON THIS, BUT, UH, WHERE THEY TAKE SOME OF THE SCHOOL LEFTOVERS AND THEY ALSO GIVE IT OUT TO THOSE IN NEED OR, RIGHT.WELL, BUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, STEPHANIE, CAN YOU FIND OUT, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A GREAT THING FOR THE C A C TO, UM, KIND OF, UH, UH, COORDINATE WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT? YEAH, BECAUSE, UH, THERE MUST BE JUST GOBS OF PERFECT EATABLE FOOD THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT CONSUMED BY THE, THE, UH, PEOPLE GOING TO SCHOOL, UH, THE STUDENTS AND THE STAFF.
AND IT'S ALL PERFECTLY EATABLE FOOD AND, YOU KNOW.
I CAN ASK, UM, MY SUPERINTENDENCY, 'CAUSE I KNOW THEY USED TO DO IT FOR THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS YEARS AGO, BUT, 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE LIKE A NORMAL SCHOOL LUNCH KIND OF THING, IT'S MORE THEY USED TO ORDER IN FOOD FOR US AND THEN WE WOULD EAT IT IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
AND I KNOW THEY USED TO DONATE THE EXTRA LEFTOVERS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW, BUT I COULD DEFINITELY LOOK INTO IT.
WHAT DO THEY DO AT THE CAFETERIA? DO YOU GO TO THE CAFETERIA NOW? UM, NOW AT THE HIGH SCHOOL, THEY ALWAYS HAVE THIS WHERE IT'S LIKE YOU HAVE THE NORMAL LUNCH LINE, YOU GO THROUGH IT.
BUT, UM, AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL BEFORE THEY CHANGED IT, THEY USED TO HAVE IT YEARS AGO WHERE LIKE THEY WOULD GET, UH, FOOD FROM LOCAL VENDORS.
LIKE THEY HAD C P K, THEY HAD LIKE JANEIRO'S PIZZA AND THEY WOULD GET IT DELIVERED.
NOW I THINK THEY'RE USING LIKE A FOOD SERVICE BECAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE LIKE SOME, THERE WAS SOME LEGAL ISSUE WITH THAT.
UM, BUT I, I COULD DEFINITELY SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH EXTRA FOOD NOW AND THAT, THAT THAT'D BE GREAT.
AND UM, DO YOU HAVE A COP? WELL, THE SCHOOL IS NOT SUBJECT TO THIS, TO THE NEW LAW 'CAUSE IT'S NOT A SUPERMAR.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, AS A MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SERVICE AND DOING THE RIGHT THING, THEY MIGHT WANT TO, UH, YEAH, I COULD DEFINITELY.
AND, UH, I, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE, UM, UH, THE PRESIDENT OF THE FOOD BANK.
SO IF THEY'RE, UM, SO IF, AND, UH, SO I CAN PUT THEM IN TOUCH WITH KAREN IF, IF THEY WANT TO DO IT AND THE FOOD BANK WILL COME AND PICK IT UP.
YEAH, I COULD, UH, DEFINITELY GO AND LOOK INTO THAT WITH, UM, THAT'D BE WONDERFUL.
BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS ACTUALLY, I KNOW I DON'T, AND I SAY THIS NOW AND IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS SINCE I KNOW SOMEONE HAS DONE IT, BUT, UM, AT ONE TIME AT A GRACE CHURCH, THEY DO A LOT, THEY DO A BIG FEEDING OF THE HOMELESS THERE.
AND THEY WERE VERY WILLING TO ACCEPT, LIKE IF YOU HAD A PARTY OR SOMETHING WHERE THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF LEFTOVERS, YOU KNOW, TRAYS OF HOT FOOD, YOU COULD DROP IT OFF AND THEY WOULD USE IT YEARS AGO.
YOU KNOW, LIKE IF YOU'RE LIKE, WELL, AT THE WOMEN'S CLUB SOMETIMES YOU WOULD HAVE SIGNIFICANT LEFTOVERS WHEN WE HAD AN EVENT AND WE COULD BRING THEM UP AND DROP OFF, YOU KNOW, A TRAY FULL OF CHICKEN OR SOMETHING.
AND THEY WERE VERY HAPPY TO GET IT.
I THINK VERY OFTEN IT'S JUST THINKING TO DO IT FOR ORGANIZATIONS WHERE YOU CAN TAKE IT AND FINDING OUT WHERE IT CAN GO.
UM, NANCY, WHAT, WHAT IS YOU INVOLVED IN THIS, RIGHT? OH, I, I WAS, I'M NOT INVOLVED AT THE MOMENT.
HOW DID THEY GET THE FOOD, THE ORGANIZATION? WHAT WAS THE ORGANIZATION? WELL, NO DEF YEAH, NO, DEFINITELY SOME BIG TRUCKS WOULD COME FROM SUPERMARKETS.
I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE, UH, AND WOULD BRING DONATIONS.
SO THAT WAS WHERE A LOT OF THE FOOD CAME FROM.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS THERE ARE DISTRIBUTION POINTS TOO.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT COMES OUT OF THAT GROUP, BUT I KNOW MOST OF THE, AND OF COURSE WITH, WITH COVID, IT'S MADE A BIG CHANGE.
MOST OF THE, MOST OF THE SYNAGOGUES AND CHURCHES WERE WEEKLY COLLECTING FOOD.
SO I THINK THAT WAS, I KNOW, I THINK IT WAS GOING UP TO BE SORTED AT THE, THE METHODIST CHURCH IN WHITE PLAINS.
AT LEAST THAT'S WHERE SA THE SACRED HEART IN HARTSDALE, I THINK WAS TAKING IT AS A CENTRAL POINT IN WHITE PLAINS FOR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WOULD DROP OFF BEFORE THE SERVICE, YOU KNOW, CANNED GOODS OR BAGGAGE GOODS.
SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE, WESTCHESTER DOES MAKE AN EFFORT TO, TO DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM.
AND I SEE GARRETT IS JOINING US.
GARRETT NOT QUITE WITH US YET.
WE WE'RE WAITING FOR, YOU WE'RE ANXIOUS TO HEAR ALL ABOUT THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
GARY, ACTUALLY BEFORE YOU START, GARRETT, THERE WAS SOMETHING, UM, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY THIS MEETING, WE WERE, UM, WE THOUGHT LAST NIGHT THEY WOULD HAVE THE ELMWOOD, UM, THE TOWN BOARD.
AND NOW, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT'S BEEN RESCHEDULED FOR THE 9TH OF FEBRUARY.
SO, SO ARE THERE BIG DIFFERENCES FROM WHAT THERE WAS BEFORE? NO.
UM, WELL IN TERMS OF LAST NIGHT, YOU KNOW, THE DOCUMENT, UM,
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WE PRETTY CLOSE TO UPLOADING IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO DO FINAL REVIEWS.UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE WEREN'T QUITE THERE.
DIDN'T OF COURSE WANNA RUSH THIS IMPORTANT DOCUMENT.
SO, UM, THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE'RE AT.
UH, AS FAR AS YOUR, YOUR OVERARCHING QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UM, IS THERE, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING DIFFERENT? UM, I WOULD SAY THE, UH, THE PROCESS IS FUNCTIONING AS IT SHOULD.
THERE'S, YOU'RE GONNA SEE, UH, AN ALTERNATIVE, UM, THAT GOES, UH, IN A, YOU KNOW, HITS TO SOME POINTS THAT THE TOWN BOARD RAISED DURING THE D E I S, UM, ON THE LEVELS OF, UH, LESS DENSITY, UM, WITH REGARD TO, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UM, AND, UM, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS YOU ALL RAISED LIKE ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, AN ALTERNATIVE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY, FOR INSTANCE WITH, UH, PARK DONATION, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO ESSENTIALLY AS A, UH, RESULT OF RESPONSES TO QUESTIONS RAISED AT THE D E I S, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALTERNATIVES THAT I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, ARE RESPONSIVE TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS POSED BY, UH, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC INVOLVED AGENCIES, INTERESTED AGENCIES HAVE THE ECONOMICS ON ALL THEIR, UM, HAVE THEIR ECONOMICS BEEN VETTED BECAUSE THE LAST TIME THEIR ECONOMICS WERE SCREWY IN TERMS OF WHEN THEY WERE DOING THEIR, THEIR COMPARATIVES ON, ON TAX REVENUE.
SO, UM, POSED AT THE D E I S, SO IF THERE WAS INFORMATION, I, I KNOW THIS BOARD, I THINK THIS BOARD, UH, RAISED QUESTIONS ABOUT VALUATION OF SINGLE FAMILY HOME AS AN EXAMPLE.
SO, UM, YEAH, I THINK WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THE DOCUMENT GIVES MORE OF A RANGE.
SO, UH, IF IT GAVE, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN PRICE BEFORE AND, YOU KNOW, SOME INFORMATION WAS CITED ABOUT HOMES IN THE AREA, UM, THERE WAS, UH, MULTIPLIERS BASED ON, YOU KNOW, VERY CLOSE TO WHAT, YOU KNOW, HOMES HAVE, ARE PRICED AT IN THE AREA.
LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S A MULTIPLIER ON LIKE, AS YOU KNOW, AS AN EXAMPLE, ONE FAMILY HOME AVERAGE SALE PRICE 1.2.
SO THEN THE TAX REVENUE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, IS, IS GENERATED OFF OF THAT.
'CAUSE IT WAS A MUCH LOWER NUMBER BEFORE IT WAS.
SO I, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T SCRAP THE OLD NUMBER IF YOU WILL, BUT IT, FOR CONTEXT, IT GIVES THE 1.2 SHOULD THAT BE AN AVERAGE.
SO IT GIVES KIND OF LIKE BOTH CONTEXTS.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD SUGGEST TO EVERYONE, THEY MAY WANT TO JUST TO HEAR THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION, WATCH THE TOWN BOARD MEETING OR THAT SECTION OF THE TOWN BOARD MEETING ON THE, UM, THE NINTH.
OR THE OTHER THING YOU CAN ALWAYS DO IS YOU CAN ALWAYS WATCH THE, UM, TOWN BOARD MEETINGS AS A VIDEO THE NEXT DAY OR WHENEVER YOU WANT, BUT SOMETIMES IT IS INTERESTING TO HEAR WHAT THE APPLICANT'S, UM, PRESENTATION IS ON AN EVENT LIKE THIS.
OH, AND JUST TO, UM, CLARIFY SOME DATES ON THE NINTH, UM, THE DOCUMENT WOULD, WOULD SIMPLY BE ACCEPTED AND BE AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC.
THE FULL PRESENTATION WOULD BE, UM, THE FIRST MEETING IN MARCH.
SO THERE WILL BE A GOOD MONTH FOR, YOU KNOW, INVOLVED AGENCY LIKE THE C A C TO, YOU KNOW, READ THE DOCUMENT.
AND THEN THE PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE, I BELIEVE MARCH 9TH.
SO THAT'S THE DATE THAT YOU WOULD WANNA KEY IN YOU, YOU'LL HEAR A, A COMPREHENSIVE, UH, YOU KNOW, UPDATE FROM THE APPLICANT.
YOU'LL HEAR FROM STAFF, YOU'LL HEAR FROM, UH, YOU THE APPLICANT'S, OR I'M SORRY, THE TOWN'S CONSULTANT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, AND OF COURSE YOU KNOW, THE BOARD WILL BE ACCEPTING PUBLIC COMMENT AT THAT MEETING ON MARCH 9TH.
CAN WE, CAN WE GO THROUGH THAT A LITTLE SLOWER? THE, ON JAN ON ON, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE ACCEPTED ON FEBRUARY 9TH.
THAT IS WE FILED BECAUSE, AND YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU CORRESPOND THEN YOU AND THE CONSULTANT WILL BE SPENDING SOME TIME AFTER YOU'VE UP, YOU KNOW, DOING THE REVIEW YOU'RE DOING.
SO IT'S ACCEPTED AND THE, BUT NO PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT ON THE NINTH.
YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN GARRETT, THE PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT IS MARCH TWO.
UH, I I BELIEVE IT'S THE, THE SEC THE FIRST, UH, TOWN BOARD MEETING IN MARCH IS, UH, MARCH 9TH.
THEN IS TOWN BOARD, UH, FIRST MEETING ON, UM, I WANNA, SORRY, I WANNA WRITE IT DOWN BECAUSE I GUESS, WE'LL, I GUESS THE WORD DETERMINANT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, UH, STATEMENT PUBLIC HEARING, SO F E I S PUBLIC HEARING, AND THAT'S WHEN THE APPLICANT WILL SPEAK ON THE
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NINTH.YEAH, THEY'LL GIVE AN OVER, THEY'LL GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF, UM, THE DOCUMENT AND, UH, YES.
AND IS THAT THEN WHEN THE PUBLIC WILL SPEAK ON THE NINTH? YEAH.
AND THEREFORE WE, WE WANT TO GET SOMETHING OUT TO YOU, UH, AND THE TOWN BOARD CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE SECOND OR 3RD OF MARCH.
AND YEAH, AND, AND YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, MEETINGS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE FILLING YOUR AGENDA, YOU KNOW, IF YOU NEED ME TO, UM, COME TO THE BOARD, THE C A C IN THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE PROCESS QUESTIONS OR, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE READING THE DOCUMENT, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I CAN CERTAINLY ALLOT SOME TIME TO TRY AND, YOU KNOW, HELP YOU UNDERSTAND, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL ASPECTS OF THE, THE PROCESS.
JUST SO YOU WANNA PUT A APPEAR IN YOUR CALENDAR.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL WE'LL NEED TO IMPOSE ON YOU, BUT IF SO THANK YOU.
AND TWO, BASED ON THAT SCHEDULE, MY GUESS IS TERRY, IT'S GONNA BE FEBRUARY 24TH, IS THAT RIGHT? BECAUSE WE WOULD GET THE DOCUMENT THE 10TH, 11TH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEN I'M, OUR SECOND MEETING IN FEBRUARY IS THE 24TH, AND THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD FOCUS ON IT.
AND THEN, 'CAUSE WE'D TRY TO GET SOMETHING TO GARRETT AND THE TOWN BOARD BY THAT FIR THAT WEEK THAT STARTS ON TUESDAY THE FIRST TRY TO GET IT ON THE, WE, YOU KNOW, WEDNESDAY THE SECOND, THURSDAY THE THIRD, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, ABOUT A WEEK BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND MAYBE THIS IS MORE JUST BEING BEING CONFUSED OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IF THE PUBLIC, IN TERMS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC, THIS IS OUT THERE, UM, SHORT, THEY'RE GETTING A HOLD OF THE DOCUMENT AND I'M TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE AVERAGE PERSON, NOT THE C A C, UM, WE HAVE A MONTH PERIOD AND, AND THEN WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND FOR USUAL, THE APPLICANT WILL DO A WHOLE BIG DOG AND PONY SHOW, WHICH WILL GO ON FOR SOME TIME.
AND THEN, THEN UNLESS THE PUBLIC HAS SOMEHOW GOTTEN AHOLD OF THE DOCUMENT OR BEEN MADE AWARE OF THIS, THE PUBLIC HAS, HOW MUCH OF A WINDOW TO COMMENT? WELL, ON FEBRUARY 9TH, WHAT WE'LL DO IS, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD ENVISION AND, YOU KNOW, PUTTING TOGETHER A NICE E-BLAST, UM, TO GO OUT TO RESIDENTS WITH KIND OF LIKE A SUMMARY, UM, PUT, YOU KNOW, MAKING RESIDENTS AWARE THAT THE DOCUMENTS ON THE WEB AND, UH, WE'LL GIVE A SUMMARY.
UM, WE CAN NOTIFY CIVIC ASSOCIATION LEADERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, WE'LL DO THAT IMMEDIATELY, UH, YOU KNOW, FEBRUARY 9TH AND THE DOCUMENT WILL BE AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, FOR FULL MONTH.
UM, BUT I'M, I'M SORRY, WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? WELL, I, I, I GUESS I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED THAT THE PUBLIC GETS A BIG ENOUGH WINDOW FOR, FOR COMMENT AND ALSO A BIG ENOUGH PLATFORM AND EQUAL TIME.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WILL RUN OUT, BUT I KNOW HISTORICALLY THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM.
THE APPLICANT COMES IN AND HE GETS TO START AND CAN DO A VERY LONG PRESENTATION.
UH, AND THEN THE COMMUNITY SORT OF COMES IN ON THE TAIL END WHEN EVERYONE'S TIRED.
AND WE'VE HAD RULES IN THE PAST WHERE THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO BREAK UP THEIR PRESENTATION 'CAUSE THEY ONLY GET TO SPEAK FOR FIVE MINUTES, EVEN THOUGH THE APPLICANT HAS GOTTEN TO SPEAK FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF.
YOU KNOW, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN INEQUALITY IN THE PROCESS.
AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S YOUR FAULT, I JUST, I'M MAKING A GENERAL KIND OF BIAS COMMENT ON THE PROCESS AS VIEWED FROM THE COMMUNITY.
AND I WAS JUST HOPING THAT MAYBE SINCE WE HAVE ENOUGH LEAD TIME TO THINK ON THIS, THAT MAYBE WE CAN THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN MAKE IT BE MORE INCLUSIVE AND BALANCED OF COMMUNITY COMMENT.
MAYBE GARRETT COULD, MAYBE GARRETT COULD, UH, HE DIDN'T HAVE TO, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO, MAYBE GARRETT COULD, UH, DEVELOP A, UH, A PROCEDURAL PROTOCOL THAT WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, ON THIS.
BECAUSE THAT IS, UM, I, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY ENOUGH TIME BASED ON WHAT GARRETT HAS SAID, IF HE'S GONNA DO WHAT HE SAID, THAT'S PROBABLY NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE.
BUT I THINK ALL OF THE THINGS HE SAID CERTAINLY WOULD ENDORSE AS BEING REALLY CONSTRUCTIVE IDEAS, UM, OBVIOUSLY ON THE WEBSITE, BUT PEOPLE WON'T KNOW.
SO HE IS GONNA TELL PEOPLE IT'S ON THE WEBSITE AND HE IS GONNA BE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, LIKE, THE LIKELY SUSPECTS KNOW ABOUT IT.
UH, SO, BUT I THINK TIME-WISE, GARRETT HAS PROBABLY SOLVED THAT.
BUT I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, TERRY, THAT IT, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT SPEAKS FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF AND THEN SOMEONE LIKE DOREEN OR SOMEONE LIKE ELLA THAT HAVE STUDIED THE
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DOCUMENTS AND HAVE SOME COMMENTS, OR MADELINE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TOLD TO SHUT UP AFTER FIVE MINUTES.UM, I CAN ASSURE YOU THEY WILL NOT SPEAK FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF.
AND IN ALL HONESTY, I THINK, YOU KNOW, 20 MINUTE PRESENTATION CAN PROBABLY, UH, MORE THAN SUFFICE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WANNA COVER THE ALTERNATIVES, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THE HIGH POINTS BE GRAPHIC HEAVY SO PEOPLE CAN REALLY SEE WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON.
UH, YOU KNOW, I, I ANTICIPATE, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE THE HYBRID, SO WE'LL HAVE THE ZOOM.
SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN SEE THE PLANS.
UM, BUT YEAH, LISTEN, THEY'RE NOT GONNA, THEY'RE NOT GONNA TALK FOR TWO HOURS AND, AND WEAR EVERYONE OUT.
UM, THEY WANNA GET THE INPUT AS, AS DOES THE TOWN BOARD.
WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL ENSURE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, A, A, A GOOD, GOOD, GOOD, GOOD TIMEFRAME FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK.
MAYBE YOU'LL DEVELOP A, A TIMEFRAME.
BUT GARY, DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG YOU'RE GIVEN WHEN YOU ARE IN FRONT OF THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT?
SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, JUST TO PUT IT IN CONTEXT, THINGS ARE THAT IMPORTANT TO THE COUNTRY.
YOU GET 15 MINUTES NORMALLY, UM, UH, I MEAN, NOT ON SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL LIKE OBAMACARE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT JUST YOUR NORMAL THING UP THIS, IT'S 15 MINUTES.
SO, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, 20 MINUTES FOR THE APPLICANT SOUNDS FINE, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN, AND THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT, HOW, WHAT THE ANSWER IS, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE PEOPLE THAT WILL STUDY THIS MORE.
I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING I'M NOT ENDORSING THEIR COMMENTS, BUT THERE WILL BE PEOPLE THAT WILL STUDY THIS MORE AND PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WHAT THEY WANNA SAY JUST FOR EVERYONE CAN HEAR IT.
I'M NOT SAYING THEIR COMMENTS ARE RIGHT OR ANYTHING, BUT YOU KNOW, I MEAN, DOREEN, ELLA, UH, MAYBE MADELINE 'CAUSE SHE MADE A, LIKE 20 DIFFERENT INQUIRIES AT THE D E I S.
UH, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING EVERY INDIVIDUAL IN THE COMMUNITY JUST TALK 20 MINUTES 'CAUSE GOT IT GOING FOR DAYS, BUT, UH, I OUT, WHY CAN'T YOU LET IT GO ON FOR DAYS? IT'S OUR TOWN, IT'S OUR, IT'S WHERE WE LIVE, LET GO ON FOR DAYS LIKE THE OLD FILIBUSTER IN THE SENATE.
SO THERE WILL BE A WRITTEN, YOU KNOW, WRITTEN COMMENT PERIOD.
AND, UM, YEAH, LISTEN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK EVERYONE INVOLVED, IF THIS, IF THE, THE LAND'S GONNA BE DEVELOPED IN A SINGLE FAMILY MANNER, THE GOAL WILL BE TO GET THE BEST SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WE, WE CAN DO, IF IT'S GOING TO BE A PUD UH, SAME PREMISE, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA HAVE THE BEST, BEST PLANNED, YOU KNOW, PUD THAT THERE, THAT THERE CAN BE.
SO, UM, I, I THINK WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY.
UM, I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO LET IT UNFOLD AND WHATEVER WE CAN, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO HELP.
WE'LL, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS YOU, DO YOU THINK IT IS POSSIBLE, I MEAN, UH, TO PICK UP ON MARGARET SAYING THAT THE NINTH, THE NINTH WOULD ALSO GET CONTINUED TO THE 23RD.
I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL.
WE'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN BOARD, YOU KNOW, THEY ALWAYS, UH, VALUE PUBLIC INPUT, SO, UH OH, THAT'S TOO BAD.
THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THEM.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE WRITTEN COMMENT STUFF IS TECHNICALLY NICE, BUT PEOPLE DON'T REALLY GET THE IMPRESSION THAT THE TECH, THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE POST HEARING COMMENTS OR, YOU KNOW, OR, OR STUDIED FOCUSED ON AND RESULT IN ANYTHING.
SO THAT, I MEAN, THE PUBLIC PROBABLY WANTS TO SPEAK, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THE COMMENTS ARE GOOD OR BAD, I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, IT'S A MATTER OF HUMAN NATURE.
YEAH, I COULD, WE WOULD GO INTO THE AP THE APPEARANCE OF THE PROCESS, WHICH HAS ALWAYS LEFT THE COMMUNITY FEELING LEFT OUT AND, AND THE BALANCE.
AND I THINK MAYBE THIS LIKE TIMETABLE OF, YOU KNOW, AND YOU SEEM TO BE, WE'RE THINKING IN THAT WAY THAT THE APPLICANT GETS TO SPEAK, BUT THE APPLICANT DOESN'T GET TO SPEAK FOR SUCH A LONG PERIOD OF TIME THAT BY THE TIME THE COMMUNITY SPEAKS, AND I HAVE SEEN THIS GARRETT, EVERYONE SITTING UP ON THE DIOCESE HAS HAD MORE THAN ENOUGH ABOUT WHATEVER THE TOPIC IS AFTER THE APPLICANT GETS DONE THAT, THAT THEY'VE TUNED OUT.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE THE MOST BRILLIANT COMMENTS COMING AFTER THAT, BUT, BUT THE ATTENTION IS JUST, IS SHOT BECAUSE THE PRESENTATION HAS BEEN SO LONG.
AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE COMING IN WITH PROFESSIONALS TO DO A PRESENTATION.
SO IN AND OF ITSELF THAT GIVES THEM AN ADVANTAGE VERSUS THE COMMUNITY MEMBER OR COMMUNITY GROUPS, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHO THEY HAVE AVAILABLE.
UM, IT, THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME KIND OF, UH, BALANCE.
SO I, WE BELIEVE WITH THIS, AND I THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT WITH US.
I JUST WANNA SAY TERRY, TERRY, I AGREE WITH YOU.
SO, BUT WE, I BELAY WITH THIS AND GARRETT IS ALWAYS SO GOOD NATURED TO PUT UP WITH ME, BUT HE'S HERE FOR WATER, SO YOU SHOULDN'T PUT IT THAT WAY.
SO, UM, YEAH, THANKS FOR THE TIME AND UH, I APOLOGIZE 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, LOOK, I I, I CAME TO MIKE AND TERRY AND I SAID MAYBE AROUND, UH, EARLY NOVEMBER, WHO KNOWS, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN OCTOBER, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO COME SPEAK TO YOU ABOUT STORMWATER AND UH,
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YOU KNOW, LO AND BEHOLD COME TO FIND THE TOWN ENGINEER, UH, IS ON THE VERGE OF RETIRING.SO THINGS KIND OF WENT INTO FLUXX AND THEN THE HOLIDAY HITS.
SO, UM,
UH, WE DON'T HAVE A TOWN ENGINEER AT PRESENT, BUT I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE TOWN BOARD.
SO, UH, SOON WE HOPE THAT THAT'S RECTIFIED.
BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO, UH,
I CAN GIVE YOU THE BASIC FRAMEWORK OF SOME OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS WE HAD.
BUT, UM, W W W WHAT WE'VE BEEN THINKING AS STAFF AND, YOU KNOW, AARON'S BEEN INVOLVED AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OTHERS IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, IS, UH, TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE WITH REGARD TO STORMS AND, UH,
UM, AND THE MAIN THING I WANT TO GET ACROSS, UH, TO THE C A C AND, UH, AND THIS ACTUALLY DOESN'T REQUIRE A CODE CHANGE.
SO I THINK THIS CAN BE BE IMPLEMENTED PRETTY SOON, BUT WE WILL BRIEF THE TOWN BOARD, UH, AS WITH REGARD TO, UH, HOW WE TREAT THE, THE 25 YEAR STORM FROM, FROM A CODE PERSPECTIVE.
AND, UH, JUST, JUST AS YOU KNOW, QUICK DEFINITION, UH, 25 YEAR STORM IS DEFINED AS, UH, A 25 YEAR, 24 HOUR STORM EVENT MEANS THE MAXIMUM 24 HOUR PRECIPITATION EVENT WITH A PROBABLE RECURRENCE INTERVAL OF ONCE IN 25 YEARS.
AND THAT SAYS DEFINED BY THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE.
SO YOU PROBABLY MORE COMMONLY HEAR THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM AND YOU KNOW, IT'S X AMOUNT OF INCHES OVER A 24 HOUR PERIOD.
AND THEN YOU SAY TO YOURSELF, MY GOODNESS, WE'VE GOTTEN THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, THREE TIMES, THREE TIMES IN THE LAST YEAR.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE ALL SAY TO OURSELVES AND IT'S TRUE.
UM, AND I THINK THE REASONS THAT THAT, THAT THAT IS TRUE IS BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF DEALING WITH STATIC NUMBERS, RIGHT? WE'RE, YOU KNOW,
SO WHAT I WANT TO DO, I'M GONNA SHARE SCREEN AND I WANNA SHOW YOU, UM, OUR PRESENT, OH, WHO'S, UH, OH, MATTHEW OR AARON, IF YOU CAN, UH, PLEASE ALLOW SCREEN SHARE OR MAKE ME CO-HOST AND I CAN, UH, GET THIS SCREEN SHARED HERE.
SO THIS, THIS IS OUR, CAN I RAISE MY HAND? SORRY.
UM, THAT IDEA THAT IT'S A STATIC THING, CAN YOU, WILL YOU BE EXPLAINING THAT LATER? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
AND, UM, I'M NOT A PE SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE SUPER IN DEPTH, SO I, I I APOLOGIZE FOR THE BREVITY, BUT, UM, AND I, I'LL, I'LL DO MY BEST.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, THE CRITERIA THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO ON OUR TOWN WEBSITE RIGHT NOW, UM, IF YOU'RE DEVELOPING IN THE TOWN, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU WOULD PULL UP OUR STORMWATER PERMIT APPLICATION AND IT HAS THIS, UH, RAINFALL INTENSITY, UH, OVER THE COURSE OF, AND THESE ARE ALL 24 HOUR FREQUENCY AS YOU CAN SEE.
AND, UM, WHAT OUR CODE SAYS IS IF YOU'RE PUTTING IN A NEW HOUSE, UM, YOU HAVE TO GET A STORMWATER PERMIT 'CAUSE YOU ARE, UH, INTRODUCING MORE THAN 500 SQUARE FEET OF IMPERVIOUS.
AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO DESIGN, UH, STORMWATER PRACTICES TO ACCOUNT FOR A SIX-ISH, SIX INCH RAINFALL OVER A, UH, 24 HOUR PERIOD.
AND THAT WOULD SATISFY THIS 25 YEAR, UH, CRITERIA.
NOW, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A BIG STORM AND, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD COMPEL WHATEVER IT IS, YOU KNOW, A SERIES OF, UH, UNDERGROUND, UM, YOU KNOW, CULT TECH UNITS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU SEE AS YOU REVIEW PLANS HERE AS THE C A C.
UM, AND WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M BRINGING TO THE TABLE IS THAT, UM, THAT NUMBER, THAT SIX HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR A WHILE HERE IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
BUT I'M GONNA SHARE SCREEN AGAIN IN A MOMENT HERE.
AND, UM, WHAT WE HAVE IS, ALRIGHT, HERE WE GO.
A REALLY GREAT ACCURATE RESOURCE, UM, THAT'S AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE AND IT'S THROUGH THE, UH, NATIONAL OCEANIC AND ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION.
UH, SO THIS IS NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SITE, AND I CAN SEND YOU THIS LINK 'CAUSE IT'S KIND OF COOL TO PLAY AROUND WITH.
BUT, UM, YOU CAN TYPE IN THE ZIP CODE, WHICH I'VE DONE HERE.
I'M JUST GONNA REFRESH THAT, UH, 1 0 6 0 7 AND YOU SEE WHAT IT DOES, IT, IT PUTS, UM, KIND OF RIGHT IN THE HEART OF GREENBURG HERE.
THIS IS ON THIS, THIS KEY'S IN ON WEST HAR HARTSDALE AVENUE IN DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
AND UM, AND I'M GONNA PAN DOWN AND WHAT THIS DOES IS I'M GONNA HIGHLIGHT, UH, OH, I'M SORRY, THE 24 HOUR, LET ME, LET ME HIGHLIGHT THIS LEFT TO RIGHT AND, UM, I'M SORRY IF THIS IS SMALL, BUT WHAT I'VE DONE IS I'LL, I'LL READ OUT IF YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT I'M, I'M DOING HERE, BECAUSE I DUNNO HOW, IF PUT YOUR FINGERS ON IT, GUY, PUT YOUR FINGERS ON IT, IT'LL, UH, AND JUST SPREAD YOUR FINGERS.
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GET BIGGER.NO, MAYBE ON YOUR, ON YOUR RIGHT.
UM, WELL LISTEN, I I'M GONNA RECITE WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT AND THEN IF, IF YOU FEEL IT'S STILL COMPLICATED, I'LL, I'LL TRY AND PLAY WITH THE ZOOM.
BUT WHAT I'VE DONE IS LEFT TO RIGHT IS THIS IS THE DURATION 24 HOUR, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR INTERVAL ONE YEAR, TWO YEARS, FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS.
NOW AT 25 YOU GO DOWN, AND THIS IS AN AVERAGE IS 6.66.
SO IF YOU JUXTAPOSE THAT WITH THE 6.0 THAT'S THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU ON OUR APPLICATION, YOU SEE THE DISCREPANCY.
SO THE ACTUAL ACCURATE, UM, JANUARY 27TH, UH, RANGE OF A 25 YEAR STORM IN THE HEART OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG IS 6.6 INCHES.
SO THE SIGNIFICANCE THERE IS THAT, WHAT'S BEEN DESCRIBED TO ME FROM ENGINEERING IS IT'S KIND OF PROPORTIONAL.
SO ON A SMALLER PROJECT SUCH AS A, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, UM, THAT MIGHT NOT RESULT IN AN UPSIZING OF THE NUMBER OF CULT TECHS, UH, GOING FROM SIX TO 6.66, HOWEVER, ON A BIGGER PROJECT, UM, ALLAH, REGENERON, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THAT HAS A SIGNIFICANT, UH, IMPACT.
UM, AND IT'S NOT JUST REGENERON, IT'S THE, IT'S THE METROPOLIS, UH, YOU KNOW, C C F THAT'S FORTHCOMING.
UH, HACKLEY SCHOOL JUST APPEARED BEFORE THE BOARD.
UM, SO WHAT THEY WOULD BE DOING IS DESIGNING TO A 6.66, UH, RAINFALL STANDARD.
SO WHEN YOU CUMULATIVELY THINK ABOUT OVER THE COURSE OF 2022, ALL THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING DESIGNED AT THIS GREATER STANDARD, UM, WE, WE THINK THAT OVER TIME IT CERTAINLY WILL NOT ELIMINATE FLOODING IN THE TOWN.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
WE, WE, WE DO FEEL THAT THERE WILL BE, UH, POSITIVE BENEFITS.
UM, AND THE IDEA HERE WOULD BE, THE INITIAL SENSE I GOT FROM ENGINEERING IS THAT EVERY JANUARY 1ST WE WILL UPDATE THIS NUMBER.
BUT HAVING SAID THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CERTAINLY CHECK IT AT THE SIX MONTH PERIOD TO SEE, YOU KNOW, DID IT FLUCTUATE.
UM, BUT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE APPROACH WE WANNA TAKE HERE.
UH, GARRETT, YOU CAN DO THIS NOW WITHOUT, WITHOUT A CO A CHANGE.
WAS IT TWO 50? YEAH, MIKE? UM, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE 2 48.
UM, WE CAN, WE CAN, BECAUSE THE STANDARD IN THE CODE SAYS DESIGNED TO 25 YEAR STANDARD, AND I THINK IT ACTUALLY REFERENCES THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE.
I I CAN PULL THAT UP IN A MOMENT.
UM, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY DESIGNED TO, YOU KNOW, SIX INCHES OF RAINFALL OVER A 24 HOUR PERIOD.
SO, UM, WELL THAT, WOULD THAT MAKE, THAT MAKES SENSE THAT THEY'LL, THEY'LL USE THE STANDARD AND, AND PEOPLE WILL WANT THE LATEST, YOU KNOW, UPDATED, UH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION FROM THE SOURCE HASN'T CHANGED.
THEY'VE JUST UPDATED, UH, THE ACCURACY OF, OF THE NUMBER.
AND, AND IT'S FASCINATING TO ME 'CAUSE LIKE I LIVE IN BEACON, SO I WAS CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, DOES THE NUMBER FLUCTUATE? INDEED IT DOES.
I WENT TO BEACON, WHICH IS JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, 50 MINUTE DRIVE NORTH AND UH, THE NUMBER, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT IT HIT LIKE 6.2 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A FUNCTION OF, UH, YOU KNOW, BEING CLOSER TO, UH, THE CITY WITH MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
UM, SO I THINK AT THE STATE LEVEL, IT DOESN'T MATTER THE VOLUME OF THE WATER THAT GOES OFF YOUR PROPERTY, IT'S JUST THAT IT DIDN'T GO OFF FASTER THAN THE LAST TIME IT RAN OFF.
IT, IT'S THE RATE OF RUNOFF, IT'S NOT THE VOLUME OF RUNOFF.
AND I HAVE BEEN FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS UNDER THE BELIEF THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH MON HOW MUCH WATER YOU LET GO, IT JUST GOES MORE SLOWLY.
SO I THINK WE'RE JUST FLOODING EVERYBODY DOWNHILL OF US, AND EVERYBODY UPHILL OF US IS FLOODING US MUCH MORE SLOWLY.
AND THAT STATE, THAT'S A STATE THING.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO ANYTHING ON THE COUNTY LEVEL, BUT AM I WRONG THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT THE, IT'S NOT THE VOLUME, IT'S THE RATE.
YOU'RE RIGHT IN THE SENSE THAT
THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER IS GOING TO EXIT THE SITE, BUT YEAH, IT, IT, IT, THE THE, THE RATE WILL BE DIMINISHED.
UM, WHY, BECAUSE YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HOLDING IT BACK, YOU HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO HOLD IT SITE.
YEAH, BUT IT'S COMING, IT'S COMING DOWN.
SO ULTIMATELY, UM, YEAH, AGAIN, AGAIN, BEFORE YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID AT FIRST, I APOLOGIZE.
I THINK YOU SAID THE SAME AMOUNT.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT? YEAH, SO X AMOUNT OF RAINFALL IS, IS IS EXITING THE SITE.
IF YOU HAVE A SYSTEM THAT HOLDS, LET'S JUST
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SAY 10 UNITS, RIGHT? OF, OF RAINFALL, IF YOU HOLD 20 UNITS OF THAT STORM WATER, IT'S STILL HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE.SO IT'S STILL GOING TO BE A SIMILAR RATE EXITING THE SITE OR A SIMILAR VOLUME, I'M SORRY, SIMILAR VOLUME LEAVING THE SITE.
BUT THE RATE IS DIMINISHED 'CAUSE YOU ARE HOLDING BACK THAT STORMWATER.
SO, AND THAT, THAT'S THE STANDARD THAT HAS TO BE ADHERED TO.
THAT'S A STATE, THAT'S A STATE THING.
AND I, IT'S D E C, STORMWATER AND UH, AND WE, WE DO MIMIC IT.
AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S PERFECT.
WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA VIOLATE THIS.
BUT THE POINT OF MY POINT IS WE'RE FLOODING EVERYBODY.
WE'RE JUST DOING IT MORE SLOWLY.
THERE'S WATER COMING WAY, WAY UP FROM US AND WE'RE PUSHING IT DOWN, WAVE FROM THEM.
AND, UM, WE'RE JUST DOING IT MORE SLOWLY, BUT WE'RE FLOODING.
I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
YEAH, I MEAN THE ONLY WAY TO IMPROVE THINGS, YOU KNOW, IS IF YOU WERE TO ELIMINATE, YOU KNOW, IMPERVIOUS COVER AND THAT THAT'S WELL STOP.
I WAS GONNA SAY, WELL GARRETT, I KNOW I'VE STRUNG THIS OUT BEFORE, AND THIS IS, IF YOU, IF THE CHAIRMAN IS LOOKING AT THIS, I REALLY THINK BECAUSE SO MANY OF THE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT FLOODING ARE BUILT OUT AREAS, I KNOW IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UH, PICKING AWAY VERY SLOWLY, BUT I REALLY STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT WE REALLY NEED TO GET INTO THE TYPE OF THING WHERE IF YOU ARE DOING, UH, ADDITIONS OR SOMETHING, YOU HAVE TO RETROFIT THE REST OF YOUR HOUSE.
BECAUSE SO MUCH OF THE PROBLEM IN THE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE EXCESSIVE FLOODING IS THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE RETAINING NONE OF THE WATER OF THEIR EXISTING HOUSE THE WAY YOU DO NOW.
I MEAN, I I WAS NEVER AWARE OF THIS 'CAUSE MY PARTICULAR HOUSE, WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THE WATER GO INTO THE GROUND AND I, AND I WAS SORT OF LIKE A THING I NEVER NOTICED BEFORE.
AND THEN I REALIZED THAT THERE WERE LOADS OF HOMES WHERE THE WATER JUST COMES RIGHT DOWN THE DRAIN PIPE AND OFF, OFF THEIR PROPERTY, INTO THE PROPERTY DOWN SLOPE.
AND I KNOW WHERE WE HAVE AREAS THIS CAME UP WITH THE, UM, PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE WATER GOING DOWN TO PIPELINE AND THEY WERE TRYING TO PUT IT ALL ONTO THE ONE NEW HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT.
AND MEANWHILE, I'M QUITE SURE MOST OF THOSE HOUSES IN THAT AREA ARE NOT RETAINING THE WATER ON THEIR PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.
AND UM, I DON'T HAVE A STRATEGY TO TONIGHT TO RECTIFY THAT BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY, TO ME IT'S PARTIALLY LEGAL, UM, IN THE SENSE THAT I, I WOULD LOVE TO SAY, IF ANYONE COMES IN FOR A BUILDING PERMIT, YOU HAVE TO DO JUST WHAT YOU SAID.
'CAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT JUST WHAT YOU, YOU INDICATED THERE TO RETRO RETROFIT YOUR PROPERTY TO PICK UP STORM WATER.
UM, IF YOU'RE SORT OF GRANDFATHERED IN, I MEAN, TO ME IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE OLD ELECTRICAL, YOU COME IN, YOU KNOW, FOR BUILDING PERMIT, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU, YOU WANT TO UPDATE THE ELECTRICAL FOR SAFETY PURPOSES.
YEAH, I MEAN HE'S LIKE, I, I HAVE A ZILLION AND ONE FIRE ALARMS BECAUSE IT'S RETROFIT INTO THE EXISTING CODE.
THE THE TRICKY PART IS THE LEGAL THING THAT I'M TRYING TO CONVEY IS LIKE, OKAY, SO, UH, IF, IF I, MY HOUSE IS, YOU KNOW, 19, 20 HAS ZERO STORMWATER PROVISIONS, I'M BUILDING A DECK, YOU KNOW, THE PERMITS ARE GONNA COST ME A COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS.
THE DECK, YOU KNOW, IS $4,000 DECK.
YOU KNOW, CAN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT MANDATE, YOU KNOW, AN, YOU KNOW, A $10,000 STORMWATER SYSTEM? AND IT'S A TRICKY ONE.
SO LEGALLY, IF WE CAN, UM, THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES, YOU KNOW, IS THAT PALATABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UM, IT WOULD BE TRICKY, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, YOU, IF SOMEONE'S BUILDING A DECK AND THAT'S ALL THEY HAVE A BUDGET FOR, IT WOULD BE ROUGH TO TELL SOMEONE YOU CANNOT BUILD THAT DECK BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOUR $4,000 BUDGET GOES TO $14,000.
BUT I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU.
I THINK WELL, IS THERE, IS THERE A WAY, IS THERE A WAY MAYBE WE TIE IT TO A CERTAIN THRESHOLD OF IMPROVEMENT? YOU KNOW, I MEAN BASICALLY WHEN YOU'RE GOING FOR YOUR PERMITS, YOUR PERMITS ARE TIED TO THE COST OF YOUR CONSTRUCTION.
SO COULD WE NOT TIE SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO THE COST OF THE CONSTRUCTION? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? I AGREE WITH YOU, IF SOMEONE'S COMING IN FOR A DECK, IT'S SORT OF HARD TO HIT THEM NOW FOR SOMETHING MAJOR LIKE THAT.
BUT IF SOMEONE'S COMING IN AND THEY'RE GONNA SPEND 200,000, $300,000 FOR AN, IT HARDLY SEEMS AT THAT POINT THAT, THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE REALLY, THEY'RE GONNA BE PUTTING IN CONTEXT FOR THE EDITION.
THEY JUST HAVE TO PUT A FEW MORE IN.
I, I I, I, I THINK I WANNA EXPLORE THAT.
DON'T WE, ISN'T THERE A 500, I COULD BE WRONG ABOUT THIS, BUT ISN'T IN 2 48, THERE'S A, THE THRESHOLD FOR REGULATION IS 500 SQUARE FEET.
SO THAT WOULD NOT REQUIRE A STORM WATER PERMIT STORM, UM, FOR A DECADE.
WHAT, WHAT IF YOU SAID ANYTHING OVER 500 SQUARE FEET THAT YOU WERE DOING, IN OTHER WORDS, THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH
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THE REGULATORY, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'VE HAD THIS RENTAL, I DON'T KNOW, 50 YEARS OR 20 YEARS OR WHENEVER I, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE STORMWATER WAS DONE.EVER SINCE 1948, IT'S BEEN 500 SQUARE FEET.
WHAT IF YOU KICKED IN AT 500 SQUARE FEET SAYING THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE, IF YOU'RE UNDER 2 48, THEN YOU HAVE, AND YOU'RE BEING REGULATED FOR STORMWATER, THEN YOU HAVE, THEN THE GRANDFATHERING DOESN'T APPLY.
BUT IF YOU'RE LESS THAN 500, THEN THE PRINCIPAL IS GRANDFATHERING.
I MEAN THAT MAY BE LEMME EXPLORE.
LET YEAH, LET, LET ME EXPLORE THAT.
'CAUSE RIGHT, I MEAN MAYBE THE DECK WAS A POOR EXAMPLE, BUT YOU KNOW, THE, UM, I GUESS LIKE A 500 SQUARE FOOT PATIO, UM, YOU KNOW, 50 BY 10 PATIO, UM, WHICH IS PRETTY BIG
THE QUESTION I THINK YOU WOULD TECHNICALLY THE HOUSE WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED, BUT TO, TO TERRY'S ORIGINAL POINT, IT WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO RETROFIT THE WHOLE PROPERTY.
AND IF OVER TIME YOU PROPERTY CONTINUE CONTINUALLY CATCH PROPERTIES DOING THAT, IT'S GONNA HAVE GREAT TOWN WIDE BENEFITS.
SO LET ME, UM, LET ME THINK ABOUT THAT IDEA.
I'M GONNA SPEAK TO ENGINEERING, UH, DEPARTMENT, UH, STAFF AND, UM, AND CERTAINLY, UH, WHEN WE GET, YOU KNOW, NEW TOWN ENGINEER, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE ARE, I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THE TYPE OF THINKING WE WE'RE, WE'RE HOW WE'RE TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE.
SO ALL THESE INPUTS ARE GOOD AND UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO SOMETHING THIS YEAR WITH SOME CODE UPDATES.
YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALWAYS RECOGNIZE IN THE TOWN IS WE ARE BUILT OUT TOWN.
SO ANY, ANY PROBLEM OR SITUATION WE HAVE, WE LAND UP COMING INTO THE TYPE OF THING THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO FIT IT BACKWARDS AS WELL AS FORWARD.
BECAUSE THE BEST IDEAS GOING FORWARD THAT JUST ISN'T THAT MUCH OF THE TOWN THAT ISN'T DEVELOPED.
AND YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW THERE, UH, MOST OF THE AREAS TO MY KNOWLEDGE THAT HAVE HAD REALLY SEVERE FLOODING ARE BUILT OUT AREAS AND, AND, AND, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, YOU'RE RIGHT.
AND SO LIKE TAKE FOUR CORNERS AS AN EXAMPLE, RIGHT, THAT WATER IS NOT COMING FROM ANYWHERE NEAR NOT FOUR CORNERS AT ALL.
IT'S, IT'S THE, THE WATERSHEDS, YOU KNOW, THOU A THOUSAND ACRES AND IT'S ALL UP THE HILL AND MOST OF IT IS SINGLE FAMILY ZONING.
UM, SO OVER TIME A LOT OF THESE MEASURES, YOU KNOW, WILL BE HELPFUL.
ONE OTHER THING THAT, UM, AND THIS WOULD REQUIRE A CODE CHANGE, UM, AND IF THERE ARE OTHER REFERENCES IN THE CODE, WE WILL, WE WILL UPDATE THEM AS WELL.
BUT LIKE AS EXAMPLE, THIS IS CHAPTER TWO 70, WATERCOURSE PROTECTION.
TYPICALLY THIS KICKS IN IF SOMEONE SEEKS TO, UM, CREATE A CULVERT OF, OF A OPEN CHANNEL OR PIPE, AN OPEN CHANNEL, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T ENCOURAGE AT THE TOWN, BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT HAPPENS FOR SAFETY REASONS.
UM, ONE, ONE THING I DID WANNA BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION IS, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S ACTUALLY A REQUIREMENT IN HERE THAT, UH, THE, THE DESIGN BE TO A 10 YEAR, UH, FREQUENCY.
SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY HAVING A CODE REQUIREMENT THAT HAS SOMEONE WANTING TO PIPE THEIR WATERCOURSE.
UM, THEY HAVE TO SIZE IT FOR A 10 YEAR STORM.
THEY WOULD AT LEAST, UH, HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR A 25 YEAR STORM.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE WILL LOOK TO CODIFY.
BUT I THINK WE'LL HOLD OFF ON THIS UNTIL WE HAVE MORE CLARITY ON WHAT YOU INDICATED.
TERRY IS BASICALLY A SORT OF A RETROFIT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, A RETROFIT TYPE PROVISION, UM, FOR STORMWATER PROPERTIES, FOR PROPERTIES THAT JUST FRANKLY HAVEN'T INSTALLED STORMWATER BECAUSE THEY WERE GRANDFATHERED.
UM, MARGARET, MARGARET, I WONDER, I JUST WONDERED, I DID MAKE A COMMENT AND YOU DIDN'T DISAGREE ABOUT, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE WATERSHED FROM OTHER PROPERTIES BEING NO LESS VOLUME, BUT JUST MORE SLOWLY.
DOES ANYBODY CARE ABOUT THAT BUT ME? WELL, I THINK, I MEAN I CARE ABOUT IT MORGAN, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO IT, IT'S A STATE RULE.
WELL, CAN WE OVER, CAN WE, CAN WE HAVE A HIGHER STANDARD THAN THE STATE? I, I, I GUESS WE COULD HAVE A HIGHER, WE COULD HAVE A HIGHER STANDARD THAN THE STATE, BUT DOES NO ONE HAVE, DOES NO ONE HAVE THE, UM, BAR IN THE BELLY TO SAY, HEY, WE GET IT THAT YOU'RE FLOODING US, YOU'RE JUST FLOODING US MORE SLOWLY? WELL, I THINK THE SLOWLY PART IS THAT IT'S ACTUALLY HELD BACK.
I THINK THE, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING
NO, TERRY, IT JUST, IT'S COMING DOWN.
BUT THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALL FLOODING EACH OTHER.
MUCH OF THE FLOODING IS HAPPENING NOT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S,
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IT'S, IT ISN'T COMING DOWN SLOWLY.THAT'S THE SORT OF, THE ISSUE IS THAT IN SO MUCH OF OUR COMMUNITY, UM, THE WATER IS JUST RAMPAGING DOWN.
THE VOLUME OF WATER IS NOT BEING DIMINISHED.
AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN REDUCE THE VOLUME BECAUSE THE, THE WHATEVER IT COMES DOWN COMES DOWN.
BUT THE REASON WE HAVE A PROBLEM IS, AS GARRETT MENTIONED, WE'VE, WE'VE SORT OF ASPHALTED OVER SO MUCH OF THE COMMUNITY AND WE ALSO, AT THE SAME TIME, WHEN THAT WAS DONE HISTORICALLY, NOTHING WAS DONE TO, TO HOLD IT BACK.
SO IT COMES DOWN ON THE DRY GAZE.
I MEAN, I KNOW MY SISTER LIVES OFF OF, UM, MARION AVENUE AND THE FOLKS THAT WAS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT REALLY GOT FLOODED HORRIBLY.
AND, AND THE POINT, THE POINT THERE IS THAT BASICALLY, UM, THERE IS NO WATER BEING HELD BACK AND IT'S ALL COMING DOWN OFF OF THAT WHOLE BIG HILL UP AND DOWN.
AND THE THING IS, MOST OF THOSE HOUSES AREN'T HOLDING BACK THEIR WATER EITHER.
SO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE BOTTOM, WHICH IS FLOOD, MAYBE TALK, MAYBE WE CAN TALK ONLINE ABOUT THE VOLUME AND THE TIME.
BUT MARGARET, I I, I THINK THE BEST THING I CAN DO IS, IS CHECK IN WITH OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND ASK IF THEY'RE AWARE OF OTHER COMMUNITIES, UM, THAT REGULATE, UH, SORT OF IN A DIFFERENT MANNER TO TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACH.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE BEST I CAN DO.
THAT'S VERY NICE OF YOU, GARRETT.
SO I DO HAVE A G A S R MEETING AT, UM, GREENBURG AGAINST SYSTEMIC RACISM HOUSING MEETING AT SEVEN 30.
SO I HAVE ABOUT TWO MINUTES 'CAUSE I HAVE A LITTLE PREP TO DO FOR THAT.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE THAT I CAN, UH, ASSIST YOU WITH WHILE I'M HERE? ANY, ANY OTHER IDEAS YOU GUYS HAVE COME UP WITH WITH THE STORMWATER? NO, I, I AM GLAD YOU MENTIONED THE RETROFIT PROVISION BECAUSE ERIN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT, BUT WE WEREN'T REALLY THERE WITH THE SOLUTION.
UM, BUT SO I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED IT AND I JUST THINK THAT, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S KEY.
UM, BUT NO, I THINK, I THINK THAT WAS IT.
OTHERWISE, I MEAN I, OUR CODE 2004, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S IMPACTFUL.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD STORM WATER CODE.
UH, I THINK WE HAVE GOOD REGS.
I MEAN, LOOK WITH THE TREE LAW, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF PIECES OF THE PUZZLE.
IT'S THE TREE LAW, YOU KNOW, IT'S UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING YOU GUYS ARE DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, POLLINATOR GARDENS, UM, YOU KNOW, VERY GOOD LANDSCAPING PUT INTO THESE NEW PROJECTS.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ALL THOSE THINGS.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE CODE, IF THERE'S MORE WE'RE WE'LL CERTAINLY CHECK BACK WITH YOU 'CAUSE WE WANT YOUR SUPPORT WITH ANY CODE CHANGES.
UM, AND, AND WE'LL DEFINITELY CHECK BACK, UH, WHEN WE FORMALIZED THIS UPDATED THE 25 YEAR TO SIX, THERE IS ONE THING I JUST CAME TO MY MIND, GARRETT, THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
OKAY? UM, THERE HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF RECOGNITION THAT WHEREVER THIS WATER'S GONNA BE RETAINED AND ACTUALLY CAN BE DONE.
I REMEMBER IN PARTICULAR, WE HAD A PROJECT ONCE AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, THE BEDROCK WAS SO HIGH THAT THERE WAS NO WAY THE WATER COULD EVER BE MANAGED BECAUSE THERE WAS NO SOIL FOR TO INTO.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT, THAT THERE HAS TO, TO BE A PIECE OF THAT THAT DEALS WITH THE FACT THAT IT ISN'T JUST A MATHEMATICAL EQUATION THAT I HAVE X AMOUNT OF WATER, I PUT X AMOUNT OF CULTEC CHAMBERS.
THE UNDERLYING TOPOGRAPHY HAS TO SUPPORT THE GRADUAL FLOW OF THE WATER OUT OF THE TECH CHAMBERS INTO THE GROUND.
BECAUSE WE HAD A PROJECT, AND MIKE IS REMEMBERING IT LITERALLY, THAT THE COAL TECH CHAMBERS WERE GONNA BE SITTING ON BEDROCK.
IT, IT, IT WAS BLACKBERRY HILL OVER IN TARRYTOWN.
SO THERE'S ALWAYS A WAY TO, UH, YOU KNOW, DESIGN IT.
AND I'M HOPING THAT THE, WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING THAT DESIGN CHANGED THROUGH THE PROCESS
A DRY WELL DOES NOT WORK EVERYWHERE.
A RETENTION POND DOES NOT WORK EVERYWHERE.
I I THINK THAT HAS TO BE IN THE CODE, THE RECOGNITION THAT YOU CAN SOMETIMES COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS THAT DO NOT WORK.
UH, AND WE DID THAT IN THE, I KNOW YOU GOTTA GO, WE DID THAT IN THE TREE LAW WHERE WE SAID IT'S NOT JUST A MATHEMATICAL FORMULA, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER THE TOPOGRAPHY.
'CAUSE IF YOU MOVE IT ON THE DOWN SLOPE SIDE TO THE UP SLOPE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, THEN YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE SAME AMOUNT OF ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFIT IN TERMS OF WATER RETENTION.
MATHEMATICALLY, YOU MAY BE GETTING 90% OF WHAT YOU TOOK OUT DOWN SLOPE.
IF YOU MOVE IT UP SLOPE ON THE UP SLOPE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, YOU'RE NOT DOING, YOU'RE GETTING ZERO IN EFFECT AND YOU'RE GETTING THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT MARGARET IS TALKING ABOUT.
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I JUST, UH, FLOAT AN IDEA THAT MAY OR MAY NOT WORK THE I THE I THE THOUGHT THAT HOUSES ARE GETTING FLOODED WHEN THEY'RE DOWNSTREAM AND SOMEBODY COMES IN AND WANTS TO PUT IN A DECK OR A A, UH, PATIO.CAN'T SOME SORT OF FUND BE CREATED BY THE TOWN MAYBE, UH, FROM THE PEOPLE DOWNSTREAM THAT ARE GETTING FLOODED TO HELP THAT PERSON RETROFIT AND, AND RETAIN WATER? WHY ARE THEY ESSENTIALLY DRAINAGE DISTRICTS SERVE THAT, THAT THAT FUNCTION? UM, I MEAN THE PEOPLE DOWNSTREAM.
I KNOW IF I WERE DOWNSTREAM, I'D BE JUST AS HAPPY OR HAPPIER CONTRIBUTING TO RETROFITTING THAN HAVING TO CLEAN UP MY HOUSE EVERY TIME IT RAINS.
IF YOU HAD THE MONEY CHEF, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S A COMPLEX ONE.
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT FOUR CORNERS, IF IT'S A THOUSAND ACRE WATERSHED, UM,
I THINK IT'D BE TRICKY, BUT THAT'S HOW, THAT'S GENERALLY HOW, UM, DISTRICTS WORK.
TYPICALLY, IT'S LIKE ONE MAJOR PROJECT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU DO EITHER A BASIN OR, YOU KNOW, COVERT IMPROVEMENT TO SO, I DUNNO, LET ME THINK ABOUT THAT.
UM, BUT I, DISTRICTS ARE WHAT STRIKE ME TO, YOU KNOW, COLLECTIVELY GET RESOURCES, FI FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO, UH, MAKE SOME SORT OF UPSTREAM IMPACTFUL IMPROVEMENT.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD REQUIRE OR IS THAT VOLUNTARY? VOLUNTARY.
DISTRICTS YOU NEED, YOU NEED BUY-IN FROM THOSE WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S A TRICKY ONE.
SO I DO HAVE TO RUN, UH, I, I APOLOGIZE, BUT I HAVE A HOUSING MEETING I GOTTA GO TO.
THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH, GARRETT.
YEAH, IT'S BEEN VERY INTERESTING.
YEAH, SHARON, THAT'S, THAT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA.
I MEAN, THERE MAY HAVE A LOT OF IT MAYBE COMPLEX TO KIND OF, BUT IT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA YOU HAVE, SEAN, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT TILL THEY GET FLOODED AND THEN THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY LEFT.
WELL, NO, BUT, BUT THINK ABOUT IT AS A, AS A, AS A, AS A FORGET THE PEOPLE DOWN BELOW PAYING FOR IT.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE PUT ALL THE SOLUTION INTO WHERE THE AREA IS FLOODED AND NOT MONEY INTO THE SOURCE OF THE FLOODING.
AND THAT WHAT SHARON IS SUGGESTING, AND I, I KNOW AND TAKE IT AWAY FROM WHO FINANCES IT, BUT JUST THINK ABOUT THE CONCEPT THAT PERHAPS WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE SOLUTION IN THE WRONG PLACE AND WE'RE SPENDING PUBLIC MONEY WHERE THE AREAS ARE FLOODED AND REALLY WE SHOULD BE SPENDING PUBLIC MONEY SO THE FLOODING DOESN'T OCCUR.
HOW ARE WE GONNA DO THAT? RIGHT.
THE ONLY WAY THAT HAPPEN IF THERE'S NO MORE BUILDING, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT'S GONNA, WELL I THINK IT'S JUST, IT JUST, IT MAKES US, I THINK WHEN WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS LIKE THIS, AND I THINK GARRETT WAS OPENED, IS WE START TO THINK ABOUT ARE WE LOOKING AT THE PROBLEM THE CORRECT WAY? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, COMING OUTTA A AN IT BACKGROUND, ONE OF THE THINGS WAS YOU'D ALWAYS GO INTO PEOPLE AND THEY HAD THE SOLUTION ALREADY.
AND I WOULD ALWAYS SAY, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM.
'CAUSE IF YOU CAN'T HAVE A SOLUTION TO YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM.
AND IN THE CASE OF FLOODING, THE PROBLEM IS REALLY UPHILL.
IT'S NOT WHERE THE FLOODINGS OCCURRING.
SO SHARON'S SUGGESTION ACTUALLY IS, AND THIS COULD BE A LONG WAGE, LONG TERM SEED THAT WE PLANT, MUCH LIKE THE FOOD, FOOD, UM, PROGRAM HAS BEEN, YOU START TO PLANT THE SEED AND MAYBE WE ORDER TO RETHINK THE WAY WE GO ABOUT THIS AND SHARON MAY HAVE HIT ON SOMETHING.
WE ARE ALWAYS FOCUSING ON SOLVING IT ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
THE PROBLEM REALLY IS IN CENTRAL AVENUE, THE PROBLEM IS THE WATERSHED THAT GOES UP AND INCLUDES HARTSBURG PARK.
IF YOU EVER WANNA THINK OF A HORRIBLE SCENARIO, THINK ABOUT WHAT WOULD'VE HAPPENED IF HARTSBURG HAD NOT BECOME A PARK AND HAD BEEN DEVELOPED.
THAT AND THE STATE HAS A VERY S****Y LAW THAT DOESN'T STOP
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FLOODING.SO, SO I THINK WE HAVE SOMETHING THERE AND I THINK GARRETT'S PRESENTATION WAS VERY HELPFUL.
I ALSO THINK WE SORT OF GOT AN INSIGHT INTO WHAT'S COMING UP WITH ELMWOOD, UM, WHICH WAS HELPFUL IN TERMS OF, UH, AND THAT'S GONNA BE VERY INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THEY'RE GONNA SUGGEST, UH, GOING FORWARD.
UH, AND WE'LL SEE WITH, WITH THAT WHAT COMES UP.
UM, IT'S INTERESTING THAT THEY DELAYED ALMOST A MONTH, SO WE WE'RE ALL WONDERING WHAT'S BEHIND THE PAGES OF THE COVERS.
AND I THINK THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH IT FOR TONIGHT.
UNLESS SOMEONE HAS SOMETHING ELSE.
WHILE WE WOULD, WOULD PEOPLE LIKE, UH, TERRY AND I HAVE PUT TOGETHER, UM, A LIST OF THE THREE OR FOUR REPORTS, UH, THAT THE C I MEAN WE'VE BEEN SENDING REPORTS ON ELMWOOD IN VARIOUS BITS AND PIECES FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND SOME, AND I THINK NOT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOW ON THE C A C, UH, OR MEMBERS THEN, AND EVEN THE MEMBERS THEN PROBABLY CAN'T EASILY FIND THEM.
UH, BUT SHARE, BUT TERRY, I'VE GOT THIS FILE.
I ASSUME TERRY HAS A FILE TOO.
SHE ALWAYS CAN FIND MORE THAN I CAN FIND.
UM, SO, UH, SHOULD WE SEND AROUND, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE JUST TO KINDA GET PEOPLE, UH, EVERYBODY ON THE SAME DATA PAGE? YEAH, I THINK
'CAUSE I THINK JUST EVEN AS AN OVERVIEW, I KNOW FOR NANCY AND ALFRED, YOU WEREN'T AROUND OF GEORGE WHEN WE STARTED THIS.
UM, THE GOLF COURSE IS REALLY FAR REMOVED FROM ANY MAIN ARTERIAL.
AND THE COUNTY'S CONCEPT IS THAT, UM, YOU WANT LESS DENSITY THE FURTHER YOU GET FROM THE ARTERIALS.
AND THAT IS THE WAY IT'S ZONED, IT'S ZONED ALMOST ENTIRELY FOR ALL 30 LOTS, WHICH IS THREE QUARTERS OR 33 4.
SO THAT GOES ALONG WITH, AND THE COUNTY HAS, THE COUNTY CAME OUT AND SAID THAT THEY THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WASN'T, THAT THEY WERE NOT IN FAVOR OF TOWNHOUSES.
UM, THERE, WELL, MIKE, THAT SOUNDS LIKE, SORRY.
AND IT, AND IT'S, IT'S, UM, DOESN'T FIT INTO THE EXISTING COMMUNITY.
AND OUR MASTER PLAN MADE A PROMISE TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNERS THAT, UM, WE WOULD HONOR THE CHARACTER OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE PUTTING UP THESE LARGE BLOCKS OF CONNECTED HOUSES DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL AND IT'S SURROUNDED FOR GREAT DISTANCE BY, BY RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY ZONING.
AND THE OTHER THING TO SHARE WITH EVERYBODY IS THAT, UM, MOST OF THE ELMWOOD PROPERTIES AND THE GREENBURG CENTRAL SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE GREENBERG CENTRAL SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS OVER 50% OF ITS HOUSING STOCK IN NON SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
SO THIS IS NOT AN UNDERSERVED TYPE OF HOUSING IN THIS AREA.
AND, AND JUST POINT OF FACT, UM, IF YOU TAKE ANY OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT ARE IN UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG, EVEN THOUGH IN SOME CASES THERE'S ONLY A VERY SMALL PIECE OF THAT SCHOOL DISTRICT IN UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG OF ANY OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, I THINK THERE ARE SEVEN THAT COME INTO UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG.
NOT ONE OF THOSE DISTRICTS HAS LESS THAN 30% OF NONS SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING.
SO THE CONCEPT THAT, UM, THERE'S AN EXCESS OF SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING IS IN THE CASE OF UNINCORPORATED GREENBERG AND, AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT ARE, THAT EN ENTER INTO IT IS NOT A VALID STATEMENT BECAUSE WE REALLY DO HAVE A SURPRISING AMOUNT OF CO-OPS AND CONDOMINIUMS, EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY NOT SEEM, SEEM THAT WAY AT FIRST.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE MIKE? UH, ON A GLOBAL SENSE WE SHOULD INCLUDE? THERE'S A BIG TRAFFIC ISSUE BECAUSE, UM, THE PROPERTY ENTERS ONTO DOBBS FERRY ROAD 100 B, WHICH IS TWO LANES AND DOESN'T HAVE A SHOULDER ON MUCH OF ITS ROUTE AND GETS BACKED UP WITH TRAFFIC COMING OFF THE SPRINGBROOK PARKWAY.
SO THERE'S A VERY HEAVY TRAFFIC ISSUE IN TERMS OF IF YOU ADD ANY DENSITY BECAUSE THE EXISTING ROAD CURRENTLY CAN'T SEEM TO HOLD HANDLE THE TRAFFIC THAT IT HAS IN THE MORNING.
AND THERE IS A FIRE STATION THAT HAS TO COME OUT ON THAT ROAD THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO ELMWOOD AND ADDITIONAL
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TRAFFIC CAN BE A PROBLEM FOR THE FIRE STATION TO COME OUT.AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE ENVIRONMENT, WE CAN TALK A BIT ABOUT THAT WHEN WE SEE SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE, THE BIG ONE IS AIR POLLUTION FROM EXTRA TRAFFIC.
UM, I HAVE, I HAVE A, I HAVE A PERSONAL BELIEF THAT IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE ON THREE QUARTER OF AN ACRE HOMES, THEY'RE GONNA HELP HEAVILY LANDSCAPE AND PLANT THEM.
SO I SUSPECT WE'LL GET MORE TREES WITH HOUSES.
BUT THAT, THAT'S AN UH, UM, AND I THINK NOT AN I KNOW MIKE, ANYTHING TO ADD? NO, I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO PUT TOGETHER A SHORT PACKAGE OF THREE OR FOUR REPORTS AND, AND SEND OUT THE UM, UH, THE COUNTY, UH, UH, THE COUNTY PLANNING BOARD'S, UM, UH, REPORT THEY DID SAYING THAT, UH, THERE SHOULD NOT BE MORE, MORE DENSITY.
UM, AND UM, AND YOU KNOW, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF READING TO DO, BUT I MEAN, THERE'S ENOUGH TIME AND I GUESS, UM, FEBRUARY, UM, FEBRUARY 24TH, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE PUBLICLY AVAILABLE ON THE NINTH, THE 10TH.
I MEAN, I TALKED TO, I GET ABOUT THE, UM, DISTRIBUTION AND, AND WE'LL HAVE A, AND I GUESS WE HAVE TO ASK AARON TO HOLD THE 24TH OPEN FOR, UH, NOT HAVE ANOTHER, UM, ANYTHING ELSE COME UP ON THE 24TH.
'CAUSE THIS IS ALSO COMPLICATED.
UH, AND IT'S, AND THE E I S CAN BE SO BIG, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE ON THE, ON THE 24TH.
UM, I DID JUST HEAR YOU, YOU WERE REFERRING TO FEBRUARY 24TH, CORRECT? CORRECT.
YEAH, EVERYTHING'S BEEN PUSHED BACK TWO WEEKS, SO YES, IF IT'S AT ALL POSSIBLE, IT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE ANY IN THE APPLICATIONS YOU'VE GOT, WE COULD DEAL WITH ON THE 10TH.
UM, BUT IT'D BE BETTER IF WE COULD KEEP THE 24TH FREE FROM UH, UM, TO FOCUS.
'CAUSE IT IS JUST SO, SO, SO MUCH, SO MUCH VOLUME AND, UH, AND COMPLEX MOST, MOST CERTAINLY.
I KNOW IN SPEAKING WITH MATT, THAT WE DO HAVE ONE THAT WE'RE GONNA TRY AND GET TO YOU GUYS FOR THE 10TH.
UM, YOU KNOW, NOT A MAJOR MAJOR PROJECT.
IT, IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
UM, SO WE'LL SPEAK TO THE APPLICANT TO SEE IF WE CAN NUDGE THEM A LITTLE BIT JUST IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THE 24TH WILL BE A NO-GO.
SO WE, YEAH, BECAUSE I JUST REALLY FEEL THE 24TH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A, IT'S A RELATIVELY QUICK ONE, IT'S STILL A HALF HOUR BY THE TIME WE GET DONE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HALF HOUR ON THE 24TH FOR AN APPLICANT.
REALLY? AND, AND FORGIVE ME, DID, DID GARRETT SAY HE WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THE DISCUSSION OR WHAT ON THE 24TH? OKAY.
BECAUSE I'M ACTUALLY OUT OF TOWN.
I WON'T BE AROUND ON THE 24TH.
YEAH, HE, HE, HE, HE OFFERED AND WE THANKED HIM FOR THAT AND FANTASTIC.
LET'S SEE WHAT, LET'S SEE WHAT IT, IT, IT, I MEAN IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S AN EFFORT AND EFFORT'S BEEN MADE TO BE RESPONSIVE TO QUESTIONS, WHAT THE ANSWERS ARE.
SO YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR THE C A C AS PART OF, YOU KNOW, A A BIG DISCUSSION ON A, ON A MAJOR PROJECT.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY SHOOTING TO GET SOMETHING, A REPORT DONE LIKE THE SECOND, I MEAN THE LIKE MARCH 2ND, MARCH 3RD BECAUSE THE PUBLIC HEARING'S GONNA BE ON MARCH 9TH.
AND AFTER WE GET OUR REPORT DONE, WE'D ASK YOU TO PUT IT ON THE, UH, ON THE WEBSITE.
UM, IF WHEN YOU ARE THROUGH, I HAVE A QUICK UPDATE, BUT I CAN WAIT UNTIL YOU'RE DONE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO MY UPDATE IS THAT, AND I SEE THAT LIZ ISN'T ON LIZ SILVERSTEIN ISN'T ON THIS EVENING, BUT SHE REACHED OUT TO GARRETT AND I ABOUT A GRANT OPPORTUNITY THROUGH NYSERDA AND SHE AND I HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH.
SHE ASKED IF TOWN STAFF WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR OFFICE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, DO SOME WORK ON IT AND, AND CONTRIBUTE.
AND I SPOKE WITH GARRETT AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, OUR TIME SPREAD QUITE THIN, BUT I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ONE.
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AND I ARE GONNA WORK TOGETHER AND WE HAVE A, A ZOOM SET UP FOR TOMORROW MORNING WITH SOME FOLKS FROM SUSTAINABLE WESTCHESTER AND THEY CAN, UM, EXPLAIN SOME THINGS TO US ABOUT IT.BUT I IMAGINE WE'RE GONNA NEED LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND I'LL EITHER LIZ OR MYSELF WILL BE REACHING BACK OUT TO THE C A C IF WE NEED THOSE.
IT RELATES TO THE, THE SHORT OF IT, I DON'T KNOW A TON ABOUT IT 'CAUSE I JUST KIND OF GOT READ IN ON IT AND I'M GONNA LEARN A LOT MORE TOMORROW MORNING.
BUT IT RELATES TO AN INITIATIVE FOR CLEAN HEATING AND COOLING OF, UM, RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES WITHIN THE TOWN.
AND THERE ARE OBVIOUS BENEFITS TO IT, UM, BUT ALSO I BELIEVE SOME INCENTIVES AND THERE'S, IT'S A $15,000 GRANT, UM, WITH NO MATCH.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD ALL BE, UH, FUNDED THROUGH THE GRANT AND THAT'S GONNA FUND OUTREACH AND EDUCATION TO PROPERTY OWNERS WHO MIGHT CONSIDER GOING, UM, OR INSTALLING A CLEAN HEATING AND COOLING SYSTEM IN THEIR HOME.
WHAT, WHAT'S A CLEAN HEATING AND IS THIS GEOTHERMAL? THAT'S THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF MY TOP THREE QUESTIONS FOR TOMORROW MORNING
WE LOOKED AT GEOTHERMAL AND WERE TOLD THAT, UM, IT WAS TOO BECAUSE OF THE ROCK, THE, THE ROCKS IN THAT AREA, IT WAS, THERE WAS A RISK THAT IT COULD AFFECT THE FOUNDATION.
AND SO OUR ARCHITECT, UM, HAD UH, HAD A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER COME AND LOOK AND SAY, YEAH, YOU KNOW, IT COULD.
SO IF THAT'S WHAT IT IS, I THINK GEOTHERMAL'S WONDERFUL.
WE WOULD'VE LOVED TO HAVE IT RIGHT.
UM, JUST BECAUSE YOU, YOU KNOW, THE RISK OF AFFECTING THE FOUNDATION IS, UH, SO I WANNA, MY IN-LAWS HAVE IT, SO YEAH, WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT ABOUT IT.
AND THEY HAD IT AT THEIR OTHER HOUSE IN CONNECTICUT.
SO, UM, THERE'RE DEFINITELY WHERE THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR IT.
I UNDERSTAND IT TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GREAT.
SOMETHING WITH, WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION, BECAUSE PARTICULARLY SINCE CON ED DOESN'T WANNA INCREASE PROVIDING GAS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, THAT MIGHT BE ONE OF THE AREAS THAT IT, IT WOULD, UH, BE AFFECTED.
BY THE WAY, DID I GOT MY CHECK FOR THE SUMMER AND JUST IF YOU HAVE NOT GOTTEN YOUR CHECK, YOU MAY HAVE THROWN IT OUT BECAUSE IT WAS MIXED IN WITH THE JUNK MAIL AND IT LOOKED LIKE ONE OF THOSE THINGS YOU GET FROM GEICO THAT, THAT'S JUST, JUST THE CHECK FOLDED OVER AND IT WAS MAILED OUT IN NEW JERSEY.
SO
SO IF YOU STILL HAVE YOUR RECYCLING ROD, IF YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN YOUR CHECK, YOU MIGHT WANNA GO THROUGH YOUR RECYCLING.
I JUST GOT MINE WITHIN THE LAST WEEK, ALTHOUGH THEY DID EITHER EMAIL OR TEXT ME THAT, UH, I SHOULD BE EXPECTING THE CHECK SOON.
SO I WAS, YEAH, I'M THE LOOKOUT FOR IT.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, BECAUSE DIDN'T YOU FIND IT WAS LIKE, OH LOOK, OH THIS MUST, THIS IS THE CHECK.
I MEAN IT WAS, IT WAS NOT LIKE IN AN ENVELOPE THAT REFERRED BACK TO THIS CON ED PROGRAM OR ANYTHING.
IT WAS JUST LITERALLY ONE OF THOSE FOLDED OVER CHECKS, LIKE WHEN YOU GET SO YEAH.
WHERE YOU HAVE TO, TO PEEL OFF THE SIDE.
SO IT'S A VERY EASY ONE TO, TO STAY IN WITH THE, UM, THE ACME FOLDER
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FOR TONIGHT? IF NOT, YEAH.
I NOTICED ON THE AGENDA YOU, AND YOU PROBABLY ALREADY SPOKE ABOUT THEM, BUT YOU HAD TWO TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATIONS ON, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THE NUMBER OR THE ADDRESS.
WE ACTUALLY HAD THREE IN THE TIME PERIOD AND WHAT I SHARED WAS THAT I HAD QUESTIONED ONE AND
AND BECAUSE I JUST SEEN LIKE AN AWFUL LOT OF PEOPLE ARE PUTTING IN EVERGREEN'S HEDGE TYPE TREES, TAKING DOWN, TAKING DOWN DECIDUOUS TREES AND PUTTING IN HEDGE TYPE TREES AND DOGWOODS AND, AND I GUESS MY PROBLEM WITH THE DOGWOODS IS THEY HAVE RATHER, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU CONSIDERING OAK VERSUS A DOGWOOD, THE OAK'S GONNA BE THERE FOREVER.
THE DOGWOOD'S GOT A, A LIFE EXPECTANCY OF ABOUT 40 YEARS, I THINK.
WHICH IN TERMS OF A TREAT I EXPECTANCY, THAT ISN'T A VERY LONG TIME.
AND PROBABLY THE LAST 10 OF THAT 40, THE DOOR WOULD LOOK PRETTY.
UM, SO YEAH, HE'S BEEN DOING A, I WOULD SAY HE'S, HE'S BEEN DOING A GOOD JOB.
I KNOW HE'S WORKING ON HIS ANNUAL REPORT TO THE TOWN BOARD, UM, THAT WAS BUILT IN.
SO HE AND I HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
I THINK HE'S GONNA BE FINISHING IT UP BETWEEN TOMORROW AND MONDAY.
UM, SO THAT WE CAN TRANSMIT IT, WE'LL GIVE A COPY TO THE C A C, IT WILL BE AN INITIALLY
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AN A, A BASIC REPORT, UM, OUTLINING, UH, THE OUTLINE THAT WE DISCUSSED WOULD INCLUDE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS PROCESSED.BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WHEN THEY, SO THERE WERE, I'M GONNA SAY RIGHT AROUND 200, MAYBE A, A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN 200 APPLICATIONS AND NOT ALL 200 WERE PROCESSED.
I'D VENTURE TO SAY THAT 10% OR MORE WERE FOLKS THAT SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'LL JUST LEAVE THE TREE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.
UM, AND SO THE TREES ARE THERE, SO THERE WEREN'T ALL PROCESSED.
MIKE, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, BUT PLEASE, I SUGGEST THAT YOU EMPHASIZE IT WAS THE APPLICANT'S CHOICE NOT TO PROCESS, NOT TO NOT TO ABSOLUTELY PROCEED.
IT WAS NOT, SO FOR INSTANCE, IT, IT WAS, IT DIDN'T PROCESS.
IT WAS THE APPLICANT'S, UH, UH, UH, NOTIFICATION UNDOING, RIGHT? THEY HAD THE CHOICE, BASICALLY A NUMBER OF THEM AND SPEND CAN MAYBE EVEN JUMP ON ONE OF THE UPCOMING CAC C MEETINGS.
AND I DON'T WANNA KEEP YOU GUYS TOO MUCH LONGER.
SO THE SHORT OF IT IS THAT HILL REPORT, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY CAME IN, HOW MANY WERE PROCESSED, HOW MANY TREES WERE TAKEN DOWN, HOW MANY TREES WERE REQUIRED TO BE REPLANTED.
AND WE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT NOT ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN PLANTED JUST YET.
SOME OF THEM ARE WITH DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, OTHERS, NOW IT'S THE MIDDLE OF WINTER, PEOPLE HAVE TIME TO PLANT INTO THE SPRING.
UM, HE'S GOING TO IDENTIFY WHAT HE HAS FELT ARE SOME OF THE, POSSIBLY SOME OF THE SHORTCOMINGS WHERE WE CAN DO THINGS BETTER.
HE AND I DISCUSSED THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A RELATIVELY NEW CHIEF OF POLICE FOR THE TOWN AND WE WANNA HAVE A SIT DOWN, EVEN IF IT'S OVER ZOOM WITH THE CHIEF AND WHOEVER HE FEELS WOULD BE BEST FROM HIS TEAM TO SIT ON BOARD SO THAT WE CAN GET THE WORD OUT TO THE OFFICERS.
BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE TELLING PEOPLE, PEOPLE HAVE COME TO US AND THEY'VE OBSERVED TREE CUTTING GOING ON ON THE WEEKENDS AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
AND WE DON'T COME IN UNTIL MONDAY AND SEE IT.
I MEAN, EVERY NOW AND THEN I'LL CHECK MY EMAILS OVER A WEEKEND BUT NOT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T DO IT ALL THE TIME.
AND WE ARE TELLING PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN'T GET IN TOUCH WITH A STAFF PERSON, CALL THE POLICE AND THE APP, THE HOMEOWNER OR THE TREE SERVICE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO FURNISH A PERMIT, OTHERWISE THE JOB GETS SHUT DOWN AND WE'LL PICK IT UP BACK UP ON MONDAY.
PROVIDED THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A LIMB HANGING OVER THE ROAD OR SOMETHING.
YOU KNOW, YOU LET THEM MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE.
BUT, UM, THOSE ARE THE THINGS AND WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE ALL AWARE OF THE FACT THAT YOU NEED A PERMIT AND THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK FOR A PERMIT.
AND IF SOMEONE CAN'T FURNISH A PERMIT, BY ALL MEANS SHUT THEM DOWN.
AND I DON'T KNOW, SP'S NOT CONFIDENT THAT THE DEPARTMENT, DEPARTMENT-WIDE IS AWARE OF THAT, I SHOULD SAY.
AND, AND DID THAT, WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED WAS SOME OF MISTAKES.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS, CAN YOU ALSO, DO YOU ALSO HAVE A RECORD OF THE NUMBER OF EMERGENCY APPLICATIONS SPEND WOULD LIKELY HAVE THAT? YES.
AND MAYBE YOU, WE CALL 'EM, YOU KNOW, THE HAZARD APPLICATIONS, RIGHT? HOW MANY OF THOSE HAVE BEEN PUT IN AND THAT THEY'VE BEEN, AND AND THE TREES HAVE BEEN REMOVED BECAUSE OF THE HAZARD WITH WITHOUT PROCESSING AND THE PROCESSING IS POST REMOVAL? YEAH.
AND IN FACT, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED THAT IF IT'S A PROCESS, RIGHT? IN FACT WE JUST GOT AN EMAIL YESTERDAY TO PAUL, YOU KNOW, TO TOWN SUPERVISOR AS WELL AS MYSELF AND
THEY DON'T WANT TO DO WORK IN THE TOWN, THEY DON'T LIKE THE PAPERWORK.
UM, I UNDERSTAND IT TAKES THREE HOURS TO DO THE APPLICATION FORM.
AND I'VE GOT A TREE THAT HAS FUNGAL GROWTH AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE MUSHROOMS AROUND THE BASE OF THE TREE AND AT THE ROOT SYSTEM.
AND I'M TOLD THAT THIS IS A DANGER.
AND I HAD SPENT, GET BACK TO THIS, UM, THIS RESIDENT TO SAY, HEY LOOK, IF YOU HAVE PROOF THAT THE TREE IS IN A HAZARDOUS CONDITION, WE'RE GONNA TURN AROUND THAT PERMIT WITHIN 24 HOURS.
WE CAN HELP YOU WITH THE PAPERWORK WE'VE PUT TOGETHER, UH, INSTRUCTIONS TO HELP THE HOMEOWNER.
BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, BY ALL MEANS REACH OUT TO US.
AND SHE ACTUALLY THANKED US FOR THAT.
SHE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE DIFFERENT LEVELS AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF REVIEWS.
SO WE SAID, GIVE US A COUPLE OF PHOTOS, WE'LL VERIFY IT AND WE CAN ISSUE A HAZARD PERMIT IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, VERIFIED.
SO NOT EVERYONE'S FAMILIAR WITH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A COMPLEX ORDINANCE, WHICH I THINK IS, YOU KNOW, WHICH
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WAS WELL DONE AND WELL THOUGHT OUT.AND I THINK IT'S SO FAR PERFORMING WELL FOR US PERFORM.
DID YOU EVER GIVE A PRESENTATION THAT YOU WERE, UH, GONNA GIVE TO THE STATE A, A, A STATEWIDE, UH, UH, GROUP OF, I DUNNO IF IT WAS ARBORIST OR ENVIRONMENTALISTS ON, ON THE TREE LAW THAT YOU WERE GOING TO? SO THE COUNTY GROUP AT ELLA E L L A, I THINK TARA'S FAMILIAR WITH ELLA.
THEY HAD REACHED OUT TO ME PREVIOUSLY AND THEN, AND THAT WAS, WELL I GUESS MAYBE IT WAS DURING COVID, BUT THEY HAVEN'T REACHED BACK OUT YET.
SO I HAVEN'T, I'VE ALSO BEEN IN TOUCH WITH FOLKS FROM CONNECTICUT, UM, NORWALK, CITY OF NORWALK'S INTERESTED IN THE ORDINANCE.
CITY OF MOUNT VERNON IS INTERESTED IN THE, IN THE ORDINANCE OR A VERSION OF IT.
I'VE SPOKEN WITH ANN JAFFE HOLMES, WHO'S VERY ACTIVE.
UM, SHE USED TO WORK FOR THE NATURE CENTER, NOW SHE'S WITH THE F C W C, THE FEDERATED CONSERVATIONIST OF WESTCHESTER COUNTY.
I MEAN, SHE HAS A LOT OF CONTEXT.
IT'S GONNA TAKE SOME TIME AND THERE'LL BE DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OR VARIANCE, BUT I SUSPECT THIS IS GONNA, I'VE HEARD BACK FROM LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS THAT HAVE ON RECORD SAID, THIS IS A GREAT LAW.
I LOVE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING WITH RESPECT TO DIVERSITY AND NATIVE PLANTS.
AND I'VE GONE INTO OTHER COMMUNITIES AND TOLD THEM ABOUT THE GREENBERG ORDINANCE AND THEIR REQUIREMENTS AND UH, YOU KNOW, IT WAS GREAT FEEDBACK.
AARON, YOU DID A WONDERFUL JOB.
THE GREATEST THING YOU DID WAS TO REALLY PUSH THE EMPHASIS AWAY FROM CONTROLLING THE CUTTING AND WORRYING ABOUT THE REPLACEMENT.
NOT THAT WE'RE IGNORING THE CUTTING, BUT IT'S, IT IS THE ONE THING THAT MAKES OUR LOSS SO DIFFERENT THAN EVERYBODY ELSE'S.
WE'VE, TREES ARE GONNA COME AND TREES ARE GONNA GO AND TREES ARE GONNA GET CUT, CUT DOWN.
BUT IF YOU'RE NOT PLANNING FOR THE NEXT GENERATION OF TREES, AS I LIKE TO CALL IT, YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA BE IN A BAD POSITION DOWN THE ROAD.
AND, AND YOU SOLVED THE PROBLEM.
'CAUSE WE ALWAYS HAD THIS WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO SAVE THE SMALLER ONES THAT, UM, PEOPLE WHO WOULD SAY YOU'RE TRYING TO CONTROL OF, OF THREE INCH OR SIX INCH TREE AND YOU CAME UP WITH A SOLUTION, WE'LL WE'RE NOT GONNA FIGHT ABOUT THAT, BUT YOU'RE GONNA PUT SOMETHING BACK IN
AND THEN WE COULD GO UP TO THE EIGHT INCH, WHICH MADE IT, MADE IT A GO, WHICH WAS REALLY WONDERFUL.
WE'LL, IF, IF, IF, UM, WE'LL COPY THE C A C ON THE REPORT AND IF YOU WANT HEAR FROM
I HOPE EVERYONE HAS A GREAT NIGHT.
NO, I HAVE ACTUALLY ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU.
NOW THAT YOU MENTIONED ELLA, WHAT IS THE STORY WITH ELLA? 'CAUSE I GOT AN EMAIL AND I PASSED IT ON TO EVERYBODY AND MIKE AND I DECIDED WE'LL JUST GO FEEL IT OUT.
AN EMAIL ABOUT ANOTHER GROUP OF, UM, PATTY HAD SENT IT ON.
DID WE WANNA BE PART OF THIS GROUP THAT WAS MEETING, THAT WAS ALL THE DIFFERENT CACS, WHICH SEEMS LIKE TO BE I DID SEE THAT.
UH, AND I CAN'T RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AND DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT EMAIL.
UM, I WANNA SAY HASTINGS, THERE'S A, THERE'S SOMEONE IN HASTINGS, HAYDEN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT, UM, PUT THAT TOGETHER.
HAVEN HAVEN, COLGATE I THINK IS THE NAME AND UH, CIRCULATED.
BUT I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I ALSO, I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU THAT ELLA SEEMED TO BE COMPRISED OF A LOT OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW BOARD FOLKS AND CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL FOLKS.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS OTHER ONE DIFFERS OR WHAT THEIR AGENDA IS.
WELL IT JUST SEEMS A REDUNDANCY.
I ALWAYS SORT OF HAD THE FEELING ELLA HAD COUNTY SUPPORT OR SOMETHING.
SO THAT'S YEAH, AND I BELIEVE THEY DO.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS AS WELL AS OTHERS.
SO I GUESS WHAT WE'LL DO ON THAT ONE FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE STILL ON MIKE, AND I'LL GO FEEL IT OUT AND SEE WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
BUT OKAY, YOU WANNA JOIN THAT.
UH, UH, AARON, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT OFFHAND TO SEE, BUT UM, SO IT WAS AN INVITATION, WAS THAT WHAT IT WAS, WAS AN INVITATION.
PATTY SENT IT ON AND SAID, I'LL SIGN YOU UP IF YOU'RE INTERESTED.
AND, AND THE MORE I THOUGHT ABOUT IT, I SAID, BUT THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
DON'T WE ALREADY HAVE A KIND OF A, AN UMBRELLA ORGANIZATION THAT EXISTS AND YOU KNOW, MIKE AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, PRE COVID ELLA ACTUALLY RAN SOME VERY GOOD SEMINARS.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MORE LOWER HUDSON VALLEY CENTRIC.
I, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO IT 'CAUSE I KNOW ELLA, THERE'S A LOT OF LIKE UPPER WESTCHESTER COMMUNITIES.
I THINK BEDFORD AND I, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE AS FAR OF A REACH AS WE CAN, YOU KNOW, THE MORE, THE MORE THE BETTER SORT
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OF THING.LET ME LOOK INTO THAT OTHER ONE.
UH, IF YOU ALREADY SIGNED ON AND, AND YOU'RE GONNA JUST FEEL 'EM OUT, THAT'S GREAT.
I'D BE HAPPY TO HEAR ABOUT IT.
BUT LET ME SEE IF I CAN DIG ANYTHING UP MY SIDE.
I ACTUALLY DIDN'T RESPOND TO PATTY 'CAUSE IT WAS SORT OF LIKE, I JUST PUT IT ASIDE 'CAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE TO RUSH TO DO IT.
SO MAYBE I'LL GET BACK TO PATTY.
I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT MY CALENDAR TO SEE THE NIGHT IF IT'S UNAVAILABLE.
REMEMBER WHEN IT'S, YEAH, IT'S FEBRUARY 28TH, SEVEN TO 8:30 PM SO THAT'S A MONDAY, RIGHT? YEAH, YOU MAY NOT, BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU'LL BE HERE THEN.
I THINK I'LL JUST BE BACK THEN.
YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO DO THIS YOUR FIRST DON'T WANNA DO THAT
BUT I WILL LOOK INTO IT MORE AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COLLECTIVELY FEEL LIKE A TOWN STAFF PERSON SHOULD BE THERE, THEN YOU KNOW, I'LL MAKE AN EFFORT OR SPEAK WITH SOMEBODY INTO MY OWN.
I DON'T THINK THIS'S THE TYPE OF THING YOU SHOULD DO YOUR FIRST NIGHT BACK BECAUSE YOU HAVE SO MUCH YOUR FIRST DAY BACK.
MIKE, MIKE AND MIKE OR IA, BOTH OF US WILL STICK OUR HEADS IN AND FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
I THINK THAT IS IT FOR TONIGHT.
THANK YOU EVERYONE VERY MUCH AND SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS.
YOU'RE GONNA FOLLOW UP ABOUT THE, UH, THE FOOD AT, UH, THE HIGH SCHOOL.
I THINK STEPHANIE'S GONE ALREADY.