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[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL AGENDA SPECIAL MEETING TO BE HELD VIA ZOOM-ENABLED VIDEO CONFERENCE THURSDAY, February 17, 2022 – 5:30 P.M. ]
BE SAFE.AND, AND LIZ, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO DO A FAVOR.
COULD YOU JUST WRITE VERY SIMPLE MINUTES FOR THIS? LIKE WE DISCUSSED THE PROCESS OR SOMETHING LIKE A TWO SENTENCE ONE, BUT THEN WE HAVE MINUTES FOR IT SINCE WE NOW SEEM TO HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT.
UH, SO, SO THE DRAFT E I S IS WHAT IS FIRST.
AS THE FIRST CONCEPTUAL PLANS THAT COME IN.
WHERE DOES IT SAY AUDIO'S COMING FROM? WHEN YOU CLICK THE CAMERA NEXT TO THE MICROPHONE BUTTON, IT'S THE MICROPHONE BUTTON THAT'S UP HERE.
WHERE YOU WANT I I MUTED HIM FOR NOW WHILE.
SO, UM, SO THEY COME IN AND THEY, THEY, THEY HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT LOOKS SOMEWHAT LIKE THIS WITH THE LAYOUTS AND SUCH, AND THE COMMUNITY COMMENTS, EVERYONE COMMENTS, ASKS QUESTIONS, UM, RESOLVES THINGS.
AND THEN THEY EVENTUALLY, AFTER A VER PERIOD OF TIME, ALL THE QUESTIONS ARE RESOLVED.
YOU LAND UP WITH AN F E I S, WHICH IS THE FINAL E I SS.
NOW WHAT HAPPENED WITH THIS ONE, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, SOME OF THE PROPOSED CASES CHANGED.
THE APPLICANT CAME BACK AND HAD THE APPLICANT'S PREFERRED CASE, WHICH THEN TURNED TO BE PUDS, A PUD, UH, SEVERAL PUDDLE ALTERNATIVES.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT ITSELF, AND I'M GONNA, AND, AND PLEASE BEAR WITH ME 'CAUSE I MAY BE, IF I'M DUMBING THIS DOWN AND YOU, YOU KNOW, I'M TAKING IT DOWN TOO SIMPLE.
ACTUALLY, TERRY, CAN YOU JUST REPEAT THAT AGAIN? SO YOU'RE SAYING THE DRAFT E I SS, WHICH WAS DRAFTED BY THE OUTSIDE FIRM, BEEN AND HAD, HAD, HAD THINGS LIKE WE HAVE IN THIS ONE LAYOUTS AND SUCH, AND THE COMMUNITY GOTTA COMMENT ON IT AND POINT TO FACT IT WAS QUITE A BIT OF COMMUNITY COMMENT.
AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS A CONSULTANT HIRED AND THE DOCUMENT IS BELONGS TO THE TAM AND THE CONSULTANT WORKS TO FILL IN AND WORKS ASKING QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT TO FILL IN ANY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE.
AND WHAT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WITH THIS ONE WAS THAT THE APPLICANT CAME BACK AND HAD, UM, SOME DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES THAT HE PRESENTED THAT WEREN'T ORIGINALLY OUT THERE.
SO THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES IN THIS.
AND THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS PREPARED WAS PREPARED BY THE CONSULTANT AND THE PLAN.
OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT ALSO WAS INVOLVED WORKING WITH THE CONSULTANT AND THE APPLICANT TO PRODUCE THE FINAL, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
UH, THE DOCUMENT GETS PRODUCED VERY MUCH LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE ALL, WE ALL RECEIVED IT OR HAVE IT ONLINE AT THIS POINT.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY I KIND OF WANT TO WAIT A LITTLE BIT UNTIL PEOPLE HAD THE DOCUMENT.
IF YOU GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENT AND, AND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, WORK AT IT TOGETHER AT THE NEXT MEETING ABOUT OUR COMMENTS.
BUT I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL JUST TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DOCUMENT ITSELF AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, THEY TALK ABOUT THE ALTERNATIVES AND ALL OF THE ALTERNATIVES ARE BEING CONSIDERED.
THERE IS SOME CONFUSION IN THE WORDING OF THE DOCUMENT.
IT, THIS CAME UP AT THE PLANNING BOARD DISCUSSION LAST NIGHT AND IT CAME UP IN A TELEPHONE CONVERSATION BETWEEN MIKE SIEGEL AND MYSELF LAST WEEK.
UM, AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE, UM, I BELIEVE IT'S A, WHICH IS THE SENIOR HOUSING 55 AND OLDER RE RESTRICTED WAS STILL IN PLAY.
AND IT'S, SO IT IS TO BE CONSIDERED.
WHAT HAPPENS IS THERE'S A DESCRIPTION OF THE DIFFERENT, UM, ALTERNATIVES AND THERE IS A COMPARISON OF THE STATISTICS OF THE DOCUMENT ON THE ALTERNATIVES.
THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONING ABOUT SOME OF THE STATISTICS IN TERMS, UH, BY THE, SOME PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE AMOUNT OF SOIL THAT WOULD BE MOVED AND SO ON, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAVE.
THEN YOU ALSO HAD ALL THE LAYOUTS AND THE LAYOUTS ARE LE LETTER AND MATCH UP WITH THE TEXT AND LAYOUTS.
YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE THESE AND THEN THE BULK OF THE DOCUMENT IS MADE UP OF QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED DURING THE
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DRAFT E I S PROCESS.AND THEN THE APPLICANT WORKING WITH THE CONSULTANT HAVE ANSWERED THEM.
SO THAT SORT OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT THE DOCUMENT CONTAINS.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I'LL SHARE WITH YOU.
UM, TWO OF THE ALTERNATIVES ARE, WELL I THINK THREE OF THEM ARE, THREE OF THE ALTERNATIVES ARE WHAT ARE CALLED A P A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT NORMALLY TAKES THE SIZE OF THE, UM, THE ALLOWABLE BUILD OUT OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THEY GET A BONUS PERCENTAGE OF UNITS BECAUSE MORE LAND IS SUPPOSED TO BE PUTTING ASIDE BECAUSE SUPPOSEDLY THEY'RE BUILT CLOSER TOGETHER.
WHAT THIS APPLICANT IS ACTUALLY ASKING FOR IS IN ADDITION TO THAT, THAT THE ZONING BE CHANGED IN ALL THREE CASES, CASES ON THE PROPERTY, SO THAT ALL OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BE ZONED R 20.
AT THE CURRENT TIME, THE BULK OF THE PROPERTY IS ZONED R 30.
SO BY CHANGING THE ZONING THERE WOULD BE, UM, ADDITIONAL UNITS ALLOWED BECAUSE IT WOULD CHANGE THE BASE NUMBER.
SO IT WOULD CHANGE THE DENSITY OF THE, ON THE SITE CONSIDERABLY.
IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT COULD BE BUILT, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE ALTERNATIVES, THERE IS SOME QUESTION ON THE ONE, WHICH IS THE ONE 19 ALTERNATIVE BECAUSE THAT SHOWS THE ENTIRE PROPERTY BUILT OUT AND BY TOWN LORE.
WHEN A PROJECT IS BUILT LIKE THIS, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT TO TRANSFER LAND FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES UNLESS THE TOWN DECIDES IT DOES NOT WANT THAT LAND.
SO IT WOULD SEEM THAT, UM, THE TOWN SO FAR HAS JERRY BY HAS INDICATED HE WANTS LAND.
SO IT WOULD SEEM THAT THE, THE ONE 19 ALTERNATIVE PROBABLY FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ISN'T VIABLE BECAUSE THE TOWN WOULD WANT LAND.
NOW THE WAY THE TOWN GETS THE LAND IS, UM, THE, HELLO EVERYONE.
HELLO, GEORGE, CAN YOU HEAR US? I CAN HEAR YOU, YES.
OKAY, SHALL WE START OVER AGAIN? NO,
SO JUST GEORGE, JUST VERY QUICKLY, I WAS GOING THROUGH THE DOCUMENT.
IT STARTS OUT BY EXPLAINING THE CASES.
WE HAVE A CHART THAT COMPARES THE CASES.
UM, WE HAVE MAPS OF THE DIFFERENT LAYOUTS, THREE OF THE LAYOUTS ARES.
OH, AND NANCY'S WAITING TO BE ADMITTED.
NANCY, CAN YOU HEAR US? UM, UNMUTE YOURSELF, NANCY.
OKAY, SO START ONE MORE TIME,
WE'RE GONNA, BECAUSE GEORGE WAS HAVING TROUBLE.
SO WE'LL JUST START ONE MORE TIME.
SO WE HAVE THE DOCUMENT AND THE DOCUMENT.
THE DOCUMENT IS THE FINAL E I S I EXPLAINED BEFORE TO THE OTHERS.
IT WAS A GOLF CLUB THAT WAS, UM, WHEN I'M OUT OF BUSINESS, THE APPLICANT BOUGHT THE GOLF CLUB.
THE APPLICANT DEVELOPS THE LAND, GETS ALL THE SORT OF THE ZONING IN ORDER FOR HOW HE'S GOING TO SELL IT TO SOMEONE ELSE WHO WILL ACTUALLY BUILD UNITS.
THERE WAS A DRAFT D I S THAT LOOKED IN MANY WAYS, LIKE THIS FINAL DOCUMENT.
THERE WAS A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS ON IT, A LOT OF QUESTIONS ASKED.
THE VOLUME WE HAVE IS VOLUME ONE.
THERE'S A WHOLE SET OF EXTRA VOLUMES ON THE WEBSITE.
THE VOLUME HAS, IT STARTS OUT WITH A DESCRIPTION OF THE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES.
IT HAS A SHEET COMPARING THE ALTERNATIVES.
AT THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING LAST NIGHT, THEY WERE QUESTIONING SOME OF THE, UM, EQUATIONS ON MOVING EARTH AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, THERE ARE THE LAYOUTS FOR THE PROPOSED
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FIVE ALTERNATIVES.SO THREE OF THE ALTERNATIVES ARE WHAT ARE CALLED PUDS PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENTS.
A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT TAKES THE EXISTING ZONING OF A SITE FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND YOU GET A BONUS OF BEING ALLOWING TO PUT EXTRA UNITS BECAUSE YOU'RE PUTTING ASIDE MORE LAND WHEN YOU DO THIS.
WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED FOR IS TO HAVE THE EXISTING ZONING CHANGED.
AND THE EXISTING ZONING IS, UH, R 30, PRIMARILY WITH SOME R 20 LOTS.
THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING TO HAVE IT REZONED ALL R 20, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT THEY WOULD BE STILL MORE DENSITY ON THE SITE BECAUSE NOW THE UNDERLYING ALLOWABLE NUMBER OF UNITS WOULD BE HIGHER FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
SO THEREFORE THE ALLOWABLE NUMBER OF UNITS FOR THE PUB WOULD GET A BIG BUMP.
UH, THE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK WHEN GEORGE AND NANCY JOINED US ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE, UM, FIVE ALTERNATIVES.
AND THE TEXT IN THE DOCUMENT IS A LITTLE BIT MURKY ABOUT, UM, UNCLEAR ABOUT ALTERNATIVE A, WHICH IS THE OVER 55 HOUSING.
IT'S TO BE CONSIDERED, UH, THERE'S BEEN CONFUSION ON THAT.
UH, AMONG THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS AND AMONG MYSELF, THE REST OF THE DOCUMENT IS MADE UP OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED AT THE, ABOUT THE DRAFT D I S AND THE ANSWERS THAT WERE PROVIDED.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES, THERE IS A SINGLE FAMILY ALTERNATIVE THAT IS 119 UNITS.
THAT ALTERNATIVE IS IN QUESTION BECAUSE IT TAKES UP ALL OF THE LAND AND BY TOWN LORE, THERE HAS TO BE A TRANSFER OF A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LAND TO THE TOWN FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES.
AND THE ONLY WAY THAT CAN BE REPLACED BY MONEY IS IF THE TOWN AGREES TO IT.
AND TO DATE JERRY BYRNE WANTS LAND.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS IN TERMS OF THAT PARTICULAR ONE THAT MAKES IT SOMEWHAT QUESTIONABLE WHETHER IT'S A RELIABLE ONE.
THE WAY THE DONATION OF LAND COMES ABOUT IS IN THE TOWN CODE, THERE IS A FORMULA THAT FOR EACH P U D UNIT, $4,320 IS OWED, GOES INTO THIS RECREATIONAL EQUATION.
FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, IT'S $8,640.
SO THE WAY THE LAND TO BE DONATED, THE LAND TO BE TRANSFERRED REQUIRED LAND TRANSFER IS IMPUTED, IS YOU TAKE THE NUMBER OF UNITS TO BE BUILT TIMES EITHER THE PUT AMOUNT OR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE AMOUNT, AND YOU GET A DOLLAR AMOUNT.
AND THEN THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT IS DIVIDED BY THE ESTIMATED COST OF AN ACRE OF LAND.
NOW FOR THE, FOR THE CHART, OR THIS WASN'T DONE IN A WAY THAT IT SEPARATES OUT CLEARLY IN THE CHART WHAT IS THE REQUIRED TRANSFER OF LAND ON THESE SITES BECAUSE THERE CAN BE NO, NO SITE WITH NO TRANSFER OF LAND UNLESS THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD, THE TOWN WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO THAT.
AND THE NUMBERS ON HERE, THIS IS A LITTLE AREA WHERE I THINK WE'RE GONNA DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH IN, IN THINKING ABOUT IT, BECAUSE THE AVERAGE ACRE COST THAT WAS USED WAS TAKING THE PRICE THE APPLICANT PAID FOR THE, UM, THE SITE AND DIVIDING IT BY THE NUMBER OF ACRES.
THE LAND THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO BE TRANSFERRED IS ADJACENT TO THE TRANSMISSION WIRES.
LOOKING AT RESEARCH THAT MIKE DID, UM, THE PRICE OF LA YEAR, UM, TRANSMISSION WIRES IS LOWER.
I WENT ON TO TOWN'S G I S SYSTEM AND LOOKED AT THE TWO PROPERTIES ACROSS THE ROAD THAT ABUT THE TRANSMISSION WIRES AND THEIR LAND COSTS ARE LESS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE AS A C A C WILL PROBABLY BE LOOKING AT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IF HOW THAT WORKS OUT.
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THAT NUMBER COMES FROM AND IT WOULD BE COMPUTED OUT.I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE'LL PROBABLY BE WORKING TO TRY AND NORMALIZE THE DATA SO THAT WHEN WE'RE COMPARING THE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES, WE'RE REALLY COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES AND COMPARING WHAT'S A TRUE, UH, A, A COMPARISON.
AS WE SAID BEFORE, THE ONE CASE DOESN'T SHOW ANY LAND BEING TRANSFERRED.
THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A, A REALISTIC THING TO HAVE AS A COMPARISON.
UM, SO FAR I'VE DONE A LOT OF TALKING.
I'D LIKE TO NOW HAVE YOU ASKED ME QUESTIONS, I THINK, BECAUSE I THINK THAT MIGHT BE MORE HELPFUL.
YES, NANCY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND AT THE BOTTOM OF THE CHART.
WAIT, IS MY VOICE COMING THROUGH? YES, IT'S OKAY.
UM, I GUESS IT'S, IT'S THE LAST DOWN AT THE BOTTOM THERE'S LIKE, OKAY, FAR RIGHT, 117, 700 AND THEN THERE'S THIS PARENTHESES A HUNDRED AND TEN FIVE, SEVEN FIVE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PARENTHESES IS.
UM, WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT WAS ON THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, UH, AND THIS COMES OUT OF THE D E I S, UM, THE C A C QUESTIONED THE AMOUNT THAT WAS USED FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, UM, BECAUSE THE, WE FELT THE 840 WAS LOW THERE.
AND IF YOU REMEMBER, LAUREN DID A RE SOME RESEARCH FOR US ALSO.
AND, UM, IN FACT, LAUREN'S RESEARCH SHOWED SOME OF THE HOUSES SELLING FOR ABOVE THE 1.22 MILLION.
BUT THE APPLICANT, THE OTHER SET OF NUMBERS HAS TO DO WITH, UM, IF YOU COMPUTE THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES OUT, I THINK THIS IS WHERE WE GET INTO THE, UM, AT THE, UM, HIGHER NUMBER.
UH, AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHY THIS IS APPEARING ON THE ONE CLUSTER PUD MM-HMM.
SO THERE WAS LIKE TWO NUMBERS THERE.
THE ORIGINAL NUMBER AND THE, THE REVISED NUMBER AND THE, AND THE SAME THING AND THE, AND THE SAME THING UNDER OPTION I.
THAT'S WHY I COULDN'T FIGURE WHEN YOU SAID THAT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S UNDER OPTION TO BE REAL HONEST.
SO THAT DOESN'T, AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
THERE BEEN A LOT QUESTIONS ABOUT, SO, SO JUST TO CLARIFY AND MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD, BECAUSE I JUST DID THE MATH.
SO USING OPTION ALTERNATIVE H THE 93,000 REFLECTS WHAT THE APPLICANT HAD PUT IN AS THE SELLING PRICE OF APPROXIMATELY 823,000 PER UNIT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
AND IN THE PARENTHESES, BASED ON SOME C A C RESEARCH, CURRENT MARKET VALUE IS PROBABLY AROUND 1.2.
AND WE DON'T KNOW WHY OPTION I FOR THE TOWNHOUSES HAS THE DIFFERENCE.
IT HAS THAT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THE OTHER YEAH.
AND OPTION I, THE PARENTHESES NUMBER IS LOWER THAN, THAN THE FIRST NUMBER UNLIKE, UNLIKE EIGHT.
I DON'T, THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS AS WE GO OVER THIS AND WHY IT TAKES TIME TO GO OVER IT AND, UM, UH, BUT MEETING LAST NIGHT, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS ASKED THAT THERE BE MORE TIME ALLOWED FOR REVIEW BECAUSE THE PLANNING BOARD IN PARTICULAR IS FACING, UM, THEY HAVE TWO APPLICANT BIG APPLICATIONS THAT THEY HAVE COMING IN, UM, TO HANDLE.
YOU KNOW WHAT, I THINK WHEN EVERYBODY, WHEN ALL OF US ARE UNMUTED, WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK.
UH, SO, SO THAT'S, THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION NANCY, AND A GOOD CATCH.
OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, LIZ ON MUTE.
SO ONE QUESTION AND ONE COMMENT.
I, SO I THINK I JUST FIGURED OUT, I, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FOOTNOTES, IT SAYS THE PARENTHESES FACTORS IN 15 FOR SALE AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN SET ASIDE.
THAT'S SOMETHING I SHOULDA HAVE MENTIONED THERE IN THAT IN ALTERNATIVE I THERE IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING INCLUDED IN THE PARENTHESES CALCULATION.
SO IN THE, IN THE ACTUAL DESCRIPTION OF THAT ALTERNATIVE, THERE WOULD BE 15 UNITS OF, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UM, I THINK IT'S JUST CALCULATED IN THE PART IN THE PARENTHESES, THAT'S WHAT THE FOOTNOTE IMPLIES.
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HONESTLY DON'T KNOW.UM, THAT'S A QUESTION WE CAN ASK BECAUSE IT MATCHES UP TO THE OTHER.
FOOTNOTE THREE SAYS INDICATES THAT THE PARENTHESES ARE BASED ON THE 1.2 MILLION SALE PRICE THAT YOU JUST SHARED WITH US, AND THEN FOUR SAYS IT FACTORS IN THE 15 AFFORDABLE.
AND THEY'RE BEING VALUED AT $265,000.
SO, UM, AND, AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT'S BEEN RAISED IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING BOARD WAS ASKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A GUARANTEE THAT THEY WOULD BE BUILT UNDER THAT ALTERNATIVE.
UM, THERE'S SOME QUESTION AS TO WHETHER THE WAY THE TOWN DEFINES AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SOMEONE WHO WOULD MEET THAT METRIC, THEY AFFORD A $265,000 A MORTGAGE ON A $265,000 HOME.
SO THERE, THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS ON THAT, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S IN THE ALTERNATIVE EYE THAT IS GONNA BE PART OF THE CONSIDERATION OF EVALUATING THE PROJECT.
SO MY, MY QUESTION IS, UM, WHO COMES UP WITH THESE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES? UH, BASICALLY THEY ORIGINATE WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, AND SORT OF YOU HAVE TO DO THE AS OF RIGHT, WHICH WOULD BE H IS THE AS OF RIGHT BUILD OUT, THAT ALWAYS GETS INCLUDED IN F I E I S.
AND WHAT'S MISSING IN THIS ONE, WHICH IS NORMALLY ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES IS THE, THE NO BUILD STATE.
AND USUALLY IN FEISS THEY INCLUDE THE, YOU DO NOTHING STATE FOR COMPARISON PURPOSES, WHICH MAKES SENSE.
UH, THAT NORMALLY WOULD BE THERE.
GEORGE IS IS THAT WHAT THE H ALTERNATIVE IS? IS THE DO NOTHING WHICH ONE? I'M SORRY? ALTERNATIVE H WITH THE NO ALTERNATIVE H IS THE AS OF RIGHT, AS OF RIGHT.
THE DO NOTHING STATE IS IT, IT STAYS VACANT LAND IN AN, IN A NON-OPERATING GOLF COURSE.
ALFRED, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO, UM, I THINK, UM, I THINK YOUR INTRODUCTION WAS VERY CLEAR AND I HAVE BEEN READING THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE VARIOUS ALTERNATIVES AND I THINK THEY'RE VERY CLEAR TO ME.
UH, THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS WHILE SOME OF THEM, UH, SOME OF THEM DO NOT COMPLY WITH THE TOWN REGULATIONS AND SOME OF THEM NOT THE COUNTY OR THE STATE.
SO THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE, WHICH I THINK IS MAYBE DOESN'T NEED TO BE ANSWERED, IS WHY DID THE, UH, APPLICANT SUBMIT ALL THESE OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT REALLY DO NOT COMPLY WITH THE REGULATIONS? WHAT HAPPENS IS IT'S REALLY BASED ON THE WAY ZONING WORKS, UH, IS THAT YOU CAN ASK TO HAVE THE ZONING CHANGED.
SO FOR INSTANCE, I'LL USE THE EXAMPLE OF SOMEONE WHO HAS A PRIVATE HOUSE AND OUR ZONING CODE HAS SETBACKS FOR THE BACKYARD, THE SIDE YARDS, THE FRONT YARD, AND THAT PERSON WANTS TO BUMP OUT THE BACK OF THEIR HOUSE INTO THE BACKYARD AND ADD A REALLY BIG MODERN KITCHEN.
AND THEY LAND UP BEING TWO FEET, TWO CLOSE IN THE BACK TO THEIR NEIGHBOR'S BACKYARD, BACKYARD TO BUILD THAT HOUSE.
THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO IN AND SAY, WE WOULD LIKE THE, A VARIANCE FROM THE ZONING.
THAT'S ONE THING AN APPLICANT COMING IN FOR A BIG PROJECT LIKE THIS HAS THE RIGHT TO ASK TOWN TO CHANGE THE ZONING.
THE TOWN DOES NOT HAVE TO CHANGE THE ZONING, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS THE RIGHT TO ASK.
UM, THIS IS ONE OF THE FRUSTRATIONS ALFRED, WE FIND WITH, UM, I THINK FOR FOR MANY PEOPLE IS THE FRUSTRATION WITH THIS PROJECT IS THE MAJOR ZONING CHANGE REQUEST BECAUSE THE ZONING, AS YOU POINTED OUT, WESTCHESTER COUNTY AND OUR MASTER PLAN, AND THEY SUPPORT THE EXISTING ZONING IN THE SENSE THAT THE CONCEPT WAS, AND THIS GOES OUT, IT REALLY ORIGINATES IN SOMETHING, UM, IT ORIGINATES IN OUR OWN ZONING CODE.
BUT WESTCHESTER COUNTY ALSO IN THE 1990S CAME UP WITH THE CONCEPT WITH ADAMS FOR WESTCHESTER BECAUSE I REMEMBER GOING TO THOSE MEETINGS WHERE THEY REALLY SAID, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE KEEP WESTCHESTER LOOKING LIKE WESTCHESTER? AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO IS WE PUT THE DENSITY ON THE ARTERIALS, LIKE THE BOSTON POST ROAD
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ONE 19 CENTRAL AVENUE, IF WE MOVE, KEEP IT THERE.AND THEN THE FURTHER AWAY YOU GET FROM THE ARTERIALS, THE LESS DENSE IT WILL BE.
WE'LL KEEP THAT WESTCHESTER LOOK, BUT I THINK WE ALL APPRECIATE WITH THE CURVY ROADS, THE TREES.
SO THAT'S WHERE THAT CAME FROM AT THE COUNTY LEVEL.
IT WAS REINFORCED WHEN WE DID THE TOWN MASTER PLAN.
UM, SO WHAT THE TOWN BOARD BASICALLY HAS BEFORE IT IS A DECISION TO MAKE WHETHER THEY WILL ALLOW THE APPLICANT'S IDEA TO GO FORWARD.
THEN IF IN FACT THE A THE TOWN BOARD SELECTS FROM THE F E I S ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES THAT REQUIRE A ZONING CHANGE, THEN THE APPLICANT HAS TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD AND HAVE THE ZONING BOARD BOARD APPROVE THE CHANGE.
AND MATT, IF I'VE SAID SOMETHING WRONG, PLEASE CORRECT ME.
AND I'M MATT AND MIKE IS JOINING US.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING ALONG PRETTY WELL HERE.
UM, WE'VE GONE OVER THE DOCUMENT AND WE'RE NOW DOING QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED.
NANCY FOUND AN ANOMALY AND WE FIGURED OUT THE EXPLANATION FOR IT.
SO, UM, DO WE HAVE A, DID DID MY, DID MY ANSWER HELP ALFRED? OH, IT IT DOES, IT DOES.
HOW HOW DOES, HOW WHAT, WHAT PRECEDENT? THE COUNTY OR THE TOWN IN THE ZONING, THE TOWN.
I THINK, I THINK, WHAT IS MIKE? MIKE, WHAT IS YOUR TERM? IT'S, IT'S A WE'RE A HOME RULE STATE.
THAT, THAT WE HAVE, UH, UH, THE COUNTY HAS, UH, HAS THEIR PLAN.
THEY GIVE US THEIR ADVICE AND RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT THE, THE MUNICIPALITY CAN DO WHAT MR. PARTY WANTS TO DO.
OTHER QUESTIONS? SHARON? SHARON, UNMUTE YOURSELF.
I DID, YEAH, I HAVE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THERE IN SOME OF THE ALTERNATIVES, THEY TALK ABOUT A RECREATION FEE AND THEY TALK ABOUT IT REPLACING, GIVING LAND.
SO WE, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT BEFORE, BUT WE'LL GO BACK TO IT.
THE TOWN LORE REQUIRES A RECREATION DONATE, A RECREATION TRANSFER OF LAND, AND THE TRANSFER OF LAND ONLY BECOMES A FEE IF THE TOWN SAYS YOU CAN GIVE US A FEE.
AND WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU CAME IN, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER IS IT'S BASED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND THERE'S A DOLLAR AMOUNT IN TOWN CODE FOR P U D, IT'S $4,320 A UNIT.
AND FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE IT'S $8,640 A UNIT.
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD X AMOUNT OF HOUSES, YOU MULTIPLY THE 8,640 BY THAT, YOU GET A NUMBER AND THEN YOU SAY, WHAT DO WE THINK THE LAND COSTS PER ACRE? AND WE DIVIDE THAT INTO THE NUMBER AND WE GET THE NUMBER OF ACRES TO BE TRANSFERRED.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE ON, BUT WE, I WAS SAYING THAT MIKE AND I, THIS, AND WE HAD THE FEELING THAT THE, THE APPLICANT HAD USED THE DIVIDED THE NUMBER OF ACRES THAT WERE PURCHASED BY THE PURCHASE PRICE AND CAME UP WITH, I BELIEVE IT'S 122,000 AN ACRE.
BUT MIKE'S RESEARCH SHOWS THAT, UM, CONSISTENTLY LAND NEXT TO TRANSMISSION LINES SELLS FOR APPRECIABLY LESS.
AND I WENT INTO THE G I S SYSTEM AND THE TWO PROPERTIES ACROSS DOBBS FERRY ROAD THAT ARE ALONGSIDE THE TRANSMISSION WIRES THERE PER ACRE ASSESSMENT IS LESS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE, WE ARE GONNA AS A C A C COMMENT ON, I THINK LIZ, LIZ, TWO QUESTIONS.
SORRY, I ALWAYS HAVE MULTIPLE NO, GO RIGHT AHEAD.
WHAT IS THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF LAND THAT TRIGGERS THE LAND TRANSFER? ANY SUBDIVISION, UH, LIZ.
SO IT COULD BE A FOUR ACRE SUBDIVISION AND THEY WOULD HAVE ANY, IT DOESN'T MATTER THE SIZE, ANY SUBDIVISION REQUIRED? NO SUBDIVISION.
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OKAY.AND IN THE CA IN THE CASE OF ANYWAY, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S NO ISSUE.
EVERYONE RECOGNIZES THERE HAS TO BE A TRANSFER HERE.
AND THEN THE ACRE, SORRY, SORRY, GO AHEAD.
I WAS JUST, I WAS GONNA SAY WAS THAT ON THE SMALL ONES, LET'S SAY IT WAS A SUBDIVISION WITH FIVE HOUSES.
IN THAT CASE IT, IT, THE TOWN USUALLY TAKES MONEY, IT MAKES MORE SENSE MONEY, BUT WHEN SOMETHING THIS BIG, THE TOWN ALWAYS WANTS A TRANSFER OF LAND.
SO, AND THEN THE, THE, THE LAND TRANSFER AMOUNT IS BASED ON THE PRICE OF LAND, NOT INCLUDING A BUILT OUT PROPERTY? NO, NO, IT'S BASED ON, ON THE EMPTY LAND.
THE, THE PER ACRE COST OF THE LAND ACRE OKAY.
IS PART OF THE EQUATION, BUT IT'S REALLY BASED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A P OR A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU GET UP WITH THE, THE DOLLAR VALUE THAT'S GONNA BE CONVERTED INTO LAND.
IT, IT'S BASED ON THE, IT'S BASED ON A, A NUMBER THAT'S IN THE STATUTE, EIGHT ROUND FIGURES, $8,000 FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND, UH, 4,000.
YEAH, TERRY GAVE US THE NUMBER, THE EXACT NUMBER.
BUT, UM, THE THING IS, AS TERRY SAID, THE NUMBER THEY USED WAS 122,000 PER ACRE.
AND THAT WAS BASED ON THE $13 MILLION PURCHASE PRICE DIVIDED BY 1 0 6, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ACRES.
BUT THE, THERE'S A REASONABLE ARGUMENT THAT THE VALUE OF THE LAND THAT IS IN FACT BEING DONATED, WHICH IS NE NEXT TO CONED ELECTRIC POWER TRANSMISSION LINE, WHICH ARE THE REALLY BIG TRANSMISSION LINES.
NOT, NOT THE STUFF YOU SEE ON THE STREETS COMING TO YOUR HOUSE, BUT THIS, THE BIG TRANSMISSION LINES, THE REAL ESTATE RESEARCH SHOWS THAT THAT STUFF'S GENERALLY WORTH IN THIS COUNTRY, 45% OF WHAT LAND IS THAT'S NOT UNDER OR NEXT TO A TRANSMISSION LINE.
AND THE RESEARCH TERRY DID SHOWED THAT IN GREENBURG WE'RE VALUING, UM, THE LAND THAT'S NEXT TO THE TRANSMISSION LINES OF ABOUT 30% LESS THAN, UM, THAN, UM, LAND THAT'S THE SAME LAND THAT'S NOT TRANS, THAT'S NOT CLOSE TO A TRANSMISSION LINE.
SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS IF YOU, UH, VALUED AN APPROPRIATE VALUE, UM, INSTEAD OF THE 8.6 ACRES, UH, YOU WOULD GET ABOUT 11 AND A HALF ACRES.
AND THEN THE QUESTION WOULD COME, IS THAT GONNA BE ENOUGH FOR THREE BALL FIELDS? WHICH IS SOMETHING TERRY AND I HAVE TO EXPLORE WITH THE COMMISSIONER OF, UH, PARKS.
GEORGE, YOU HAD A QUESTION? NO.
I'M SORRY, LIZ, YOU FINISHED? HI.
UM, SO, SO THAT LAND THAT IS DONATED JUST TO, IS THAT HELD IN PERPETUITY AS A RECREATIONAL OR IS IT GONNA BE, UH, REWORKED DOWN THE ROAD? UH, UH, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT'S OPEN.
IT'S TRANSFERRED TO THE TOWN FOREVER.
LIKE, LIKE A DEEDED LIKE I SELL YOU A PIECE OF LAND.
NOW
IT SEEMS TO BE FOR SOME TYPE OF RECREATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, WHETHER THE TOWN COULD TAKE THE LAND AND USE IT FOR SOMETHING ELSE IS, UM, A SUBTLE, I DUNNO, I DON'T REALLY KNOW THE ANSWER TO IT.
I WAS GONNA SAY, WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS IS WITH PARK LAND, UM, UNLESS YOU DECLARE IT DEDICATED PARK LAND, IT CAN BE, IT'S USE CAN CHANGE.
BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WITH THE MASTER PLAN THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO, WHICH I THINK THEY DID DO, THEY WERE GOING TO TAKE ALL THE PARK LAND AND MAKE A DEDICATED PARKLAND.
AT THAT TIME WHEN WE ADOPTED THE MASTER PLAN, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO COME OUT OF THE MASTER PLAN WAS THAT THE EXISTING PARK LAND AT THAT TIME WOULD BECOME DEDICATED PARK LAND.
SO THERE WOULD BE NO QUESTION OF IT BEING, UM, REPURPOSED, BUT, SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WITH THIS THAT NEEDS TO BE CAREFULLY MONITORED, THAT IF IN FACT WHATEVER TRANSPIRES, HOWEVER MUCH LAND GETS TRANSFERRED, THAT IT ACTUALLY BECOMES DEDICATED PARK LANDS.
SO IT CANNOT IN ANY WAY BE REPURPOSED.
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YES.LIZ, QUESTION ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN.
SO IS THE MASTER PLAN CONSIDERED RECOMMENDATIONS OR NO? ARE THERE ACTUAL LAWS? IT, IT, IT'S SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN.
LIZ, NEW YORK STATE HAS A LAW CALLED THE TOWN LAW AND TOWN LAW 2 72 A 11 SAYS THAT ALL ZONING REGULATIONS MUST BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MASTER PLAN.
THAT'S TOWN NEW YORK STATE TOWN LAW 2 7 2.
I THINK THAT'S CITED IN THE DRAFT.
UM, NOW IF I HAD A DOLLAR FOR EVERY TIME A MUNICIPALITY IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK DISREGARDED THAT I'D PROBABLY BE SITTING ON A PRIVATE ALL OFF THE COAST OF FLORIDA AND THE CARIBBEAN RIGHT NOW.
BUT THAT'S WHAT THE LAW, THAT IT IS A STATE LAW THAT IT HAS TO BE IN CONFORMITY.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, AND ONE OF THE THINGS AS HAS BEEN QUOTED, YOU KNOW, UM, IN BY, BY MANY PEOPLE IS THAT THERE WAS A CONCERN IN THE, THE TIME OF THE MASTER PLAN ABOUT CHANGING OF THE NATURE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND THERE WAS A PROMISE MADE THAT THE DENSITY WOULD NOT INCREASE IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS AND THE CHARACTER WOULD BE KEPT.
SO THIS IS AN ISSUE WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IN TERMS OF THAT BEING SOMETHING THAT IS BEING, UM, THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO THIS HERE AND THEN OF COURSE THE ROLLOUT IS IF, IF YOU'RE MAKING EXCEPTIONS HERE, THEN DOES THAT START TO MAKE A WINDOW AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS TO ALSO HAPPEN ON THE OTHER SIZEABLE AMOUNT OF OPEN LAND WE HAVE IN THE TOWN? I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE A GOOD FOR A, UH, MUNICIPALITY SO CLOSE TO THE CITY OF NEW YORK, WE HAVE A GOOD DEAL OF OPEN LAND BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY GOLF COURSES AND RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, WHICH IS VERY UNUSUAL THIS CLOSE TO THE CITY.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, MOST OF US APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT, UM, WE HAVE MANY AREAS IN UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG, WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD, YOU WOULD THINK THAT YOU WERE WAY UP COUNTY BECAUSE THERE'S SO TREE AND THERE'S CERTAIN THEY CURVE AND WHATNOT AND, YOU KNOW, YOU GO OVER ON DOWN, UM, RIDGE ROAD OR YOU GO OVER TO TAXI ROAD, YOU WOULD NEVER THINK THAT YOU WERE WITHIN SHOUTING DISTANCE OF THE CITY OF NEW YORK.
SO TRY AND KEEP THAT LOOK AND FEEL IN THE COMMUNITY.
UH, TERRY, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST, SO I DON'T LIKE, I'M LOOKING AT THE PEOPLE ON THERE WHO IS JAMES CARRIS? HE'S THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT.
HE'S THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE.
HE'S, HE'S, HE'S, HE'S LISTENING TO WHAT WE'RE SAYING AND TAKING NOTES, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS A PUBLIC MEETING? THAT'S FINE.
SO ANY COMMENTS YOU WANNA MAKE, ARE YOU JAMES OR JIM JAMES? UM, UH, NO COMMENTS, BUT UH, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER, I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO HELP.
ACTUALLY, I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT LET SEE WHAT THE OTHER C A C MEMBERS WANNA TALK ABOUT.
FIRST, IF YOU ON THIS, I HAVE A QUESTION.
IF WE'RE READY FOR ONE IN THE, UH, F E I S IT TALK, THEY TALK ABOUT PROPOSED TOTAL OF STUDENTS AND MENTIONED GROSS TAXES.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY HAVE THAT IN THERE.
WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN YOU'RE, UH, UH, EVALUATING, UM, THESE ALTERNATIVES IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE TAX REVENUE FOR THE TOWN, IT'S THE NET TAX.
AND THIS IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT 25 YEARS AGO PEOPLE DIDN'T DO.
THEY WOULD LOOK AT, IT'S GONNA GET ME X AMOUNT OF TAX DOLLARS AND NOT SAY, WHAT'S IT GONNA COST ME IN TAX DOLLARS? FOR INSTANCE, IF SOMEONE SUDDENLY WANTED TO BUILD A 15 STORY BUILDING ON, ON EAST DALE AVENUE, WELL IT MIGHT GENERATE A LOT OF TAX INCOME, BUT GUESS WHAT? THE FIRE DISTRICT'S GONNA HAVE TO GET ALL NEW EQUIPMENT.
SO WHEN THEY DO SOMETHING WITH RESIDENTIAL HOUSING, THEY LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT'S IT GONNA COST THE TOWN TO PROVIDE SERVICES? ONE OF THE BIG TICKET SERVICES IS SCHOOLS.
SO YOU LOOK AT A PROJECT AND YOU SAY, WE THINK ALTERNATIVE H WILL GENERATE X AMOUNT OF CHILDREN.
AND THEN THE ALL THE OTHER ONE IS IN THIS AREA.
WE KNOW THAT IF A DEVELOPMENT HAS, LET'S SAY THEY HAVE 50 CHILDREN, WE KNOW THAT ALL 50
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CHILDREN DON'T GO TO THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS.SO THEN YOU KIND OF DROP IT DOWN AND SAY, LET'S SAY 40 CHILDREN ARE GONNA GO TO THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
SO THEN YOU SAY, OKAY, SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GONNA COLLECT A THOUSAND DOLLARS, GUESS WHAT? WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SPEND $600 TO EDUCATE THE CHILDREN.
SO WHEN YOU'RE COMPARING DIFFERENT SCENARIOS WITH MORE OR LESS CHILDREN TO GET A A COMPARABLE NUMBER, YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW MANY CHILDREN YOU THINK ARE GONNA BE IN THAT SCENARIO, AND HOW MANY OF THEM ARE GONNA USE THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
ALSO ALS ALSO, SHARON, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS JUST VISUALIZING YOUR MIND, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN THERE ARE GONNA GO TO, MOST LIKELY TO ONE OF THREE SCHOOLS.
THERE ARE TWO PRIVATE SCHOOLS ON, UH, ACROSS THE STREET FROM EACH OTHER ON WEST HARTSDALE.
AND ONE, A LITTLE ABOUT HALF A BLOCK DOWN YOU TURN LEFT.
AND THEN THERE'S THE BIG PUBLIC MIDDLE SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL.
SO, UM, YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC ON DOBBS FERRY ROAD, WHICH IS A TWO-LANE ROAD, UH, CANNOT BE WIDENED IN ANY PRACTICAL SENSE.
AND THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE INTERSECTION OF DOBBS FERRY ROAD, UM, NORWOOD ROAD AND, UH, WEST HARTSDALE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT, UH, GAS STATION, I THINK IT'S THE SHELL STATION IS, YOU KNOW, AND THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE, THAT CLOSEST PORTION OF WEST HARTSDALE WHERE YOU'VE GOT TWO SCHOOLS ACROSS THE STREET AND THEN THE TURNOFF TO, UH, TO WOODLAND'S, UM, UH, MIDDLE SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL.
SO THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN THAT ARE GOING, YOU KNOW, A HUGE PORTION OF THEM, IF NOT ALL OF THEM, ARE GONNA GO INTO ONE OF THOSE THREE SCHOOLS.
SO YOU'VE GOT A CONTRIBUTORY FACTOR OF ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, UM, AT THE, AT AT, YOU KNOW, TWO AT AT REALLY THREE HEAVILY TRAVELED ROADS AND, AND TWO BOTTLENECKS ALREADY, ALREADY TWO BOTTLENECKS AT THAT INTERSECTION OR WHERE THE TWO SCHOOLS ARE.
SO THAT'S WHY THE NUMBER OF SCHOOL CHILDREN IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN THAT, UH, IS PREDICTED THOUGH.
I WAS, UH, ANYWAY, THE HISTORICALLY WE FOUND THAT THAT, UM, UH, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S TRUE HERE.
I, I'M, I'M NOT COMMENTING 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T REALLY LOOKED AT IT MYSELF PERSONALLY, BUT HISTORICALLY WE FOUND THERE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, SOME SIGNIFICANT UNDERESTIMATIONS OF THE NUMBER OF, UH, CHILDREN IN, IN, IN, IN, IN DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
BUT I DON'T KNOW, THESE NUMBERS MAY BE PERFECTLY ACCURATE.
ONE OF THE THINGS ARE THESE NUMBERS, EXCUSE ME, I I ALL THOUGHT THAT THE, THESE ESTIMATED GROSS TAXES, NET TAXES WERE RECEIVED BY THE TOWN.
BUT YOU ARE SAYING THESE ARE WHAT THEY'RE ESTIMATING IT'S GOING TO COST THE TOWN TO, TO GET, HAVE THESE CHILDREN AT SCHOOL? NO, NO, NO.
THE, THE ESTIMATE IS WHAT THEY'RE GONNA RECEIVE, BUT WHEN THEY COME UP WITH THE NET NUMBER, THEY OFFSET THE, UM, YOU SEE HOW IT SAYS GROSS FISCAL TAX BENEFITS, NET TAX BENEFITS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH WHAT REALLY THE TOWN GETS TO KEEP.
AND THAT INCLUDES THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS WHEN THEY DO THAT.
SO, SO THESE ARE WHAT IT COSTS THE TOWN.
AND, BUT THAT'S RIGHT BELOW, NO, NO, NO, NO.
THE TOWNS, THE NET TAX BENEFIT IS RIGHT AFTER THE TOWN PROVIDES SERVICES, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PROVIDES SERVICES, THEN THIS IS THE NET TAX BENEFIT TO IN THE COMMUNITY.
SH SHARON, SHARON, IT, IT, IT'S JUST LIKE THE, IT IT'S JUST LIKE YOU HAD A STORE, YOU KNOW, SOME, YOU SELL AN ARTICLE FOR A HUNDRED DOLLARS, BUT YOU DON'T MAKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A HUNDRED DOLLARS PROFIT BECAUSE YOU HAD TO PAY FOR THE GOOD THAT YOU SOLD.
YOU HAD TO HAVE, UH, YOU HAD TO, YOU KNOW, EITHER OWN OWN THE HAD TO BUY THE LAND OR, OR YOU HAD THE MORTGAGE ON THE LAND OR YOU HAD TO RENT THE, THE STORE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE GROSS AMOUNT, THE GROSS REVENUE, AND THEN THERE'S THE PROFIT AFTER YOU PAY YOUR, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
THE GROSS AMOUNT IS HOW MUCH THE TAXES ON THE FACE OF IT ARE PURPORTED TO COME INTO THE TOWN.
BUT THERE ARE SERVICES THE TOWN PROVIDES AND, UM, THE SERVICES INCLUDE FIRE PROTECTION, INCLUDE, UH, POLICE PROTECTION, INCLUDE WATER, INCLUDE, UH, SEWAGE, UM, AND INCLUDE EDUCATION OF, OF, UH, THE ONES THAT GO TO THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS INCLUDES EDUCATION.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE NET NUMBER IS.
THERE IS ONE THING WE, NO, THE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM I'M HAVING IS THAT RIGHT ABOVE THAT, THE, UH, I'M ON PAGE, UH, I GUESS IT'S TWO DASH 13 TWO AFTER EXPENDITURES,
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WHICH SAYS, AFTER EXPENDITURES FOR PUBLIC SERVICES, THIS ALTERNATE ALTERNATIVE RESULTS IN A NET TAX REVENUE OF APPROXIMATELY 2 MILLION, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.AND THEN AT THE FOLLOWING PARAGRAPH IS DISCUSSING THE STUDENTS.
SO I CAN SEE THE GROSS MINUS FACTOR X EQUALS 1 43, 1 39.
BUT I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE ESTIMATING SERVICES, THE COST OF SERVICES IN TWO PLACES ON THE SAME PAGE.
WELL, YOU'D HAVE TO ASK THE PEOPLE TO DRAFT THE DOCUMENT.
WELL, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY HAVE THE NUMBER OF SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN, RIGHT.
AND THEN I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE POST TOTAL OF STUDENTS WITH 32 STUDENTS FOR THE, UH, GREENBERG, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND 11 STUDENTS FOR THE OLMS OXFORD, UH, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
AND BELOW THAT IT MENTIONS GROSS NUMBER PLUS GROSS TAXES, AND THEN THE NUMBER OF NET TAXES.
SO THE COST OF THE SERVICES IS OBVIOUSLY WHATEVER, UH, THE FIRST NUMBER MINUS THE SECOND NUMBER.
BUT THEN, WELL, AFTER THEY'VE DISCUSSED PUBLIC SERVICES IN THE PREVIOUS PARAGRAPH, I'M SURE THERE'S A SIMPLE EXPLANATION.
I JUST DON'T WANNA, WELL, NO, THE, THE ONE IS SHOWING THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN, THE OTHER ONE IS SHOWING THE ESTIMATED TAX VALUE, THE TAX GROSS TAX BENEFIT AND THE NET TAX BENEFIT.
THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN IS USED WHEN THEY'RE COMPUTING THE NET TAX BENEFIT, BUT THEY'RE JUST, AND ALSO USED FOR, FOR TRAFFIC, BUT THEY'RE NOT ALL COMBINED IN TOGETHER.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE MIXING APPLES AND ORANGES HERE, BUT THERE IS ONE THING I WANTED TO GO BACK TO THAT I DIDN'T COVER, AND I THINK WE SHOULD COVER.
AND THAT'S HOW PROPERTIES ARE TAXED.
AND THIS, THIS PARTICULAR, UM, F E I S AND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S DESCRIBED, THEY ACTUALLY DESCRIBE IT, I FORGET WHAT IT'S, IT, UH, THEY DESCRIBE IT HOW TOWNS ATTACKS, UM, GET WHERE IT IS IN, IN THE, IN THE, YEAH, THEY DESCRIBE IT PRETTY WELL, I THINK, WELL, IF NOT GENERALLY I THINK, I THINK EVERYONE HERE LIVES IN A PRIVATE HOUSE, SO WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH OUR TAX BILL.
UM, THE RATE THAT NORMALLY CONDOMINIUMS AND CO-OPS ARE TAX AT IS A LOWER RATE IN NEW YORK STATE.
IT'S A UNIQUE THING IN NEW YORK STATE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER STATE THAT DOES THIS.
AND, AND WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SUGGESTING HERE IS THAT IF THIS IS BUILT, THESE TOWNHOUSES IN THE P U D WOULD NOT BE TAXED AT THE CONDOMINIUM RATE, BUT WOULD BE TAXED AT THE FULL VALUE RATE, LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
OH, OH, BY THE WAY, IT, IT'S ACTUALLY DESCRIBED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
BUT JAMES, I I COULD ASK JAMES IF YOU DON'T MIND A QUESTION HERE, JAMES, YOU'LL PUT YOUR SCREEN ON.
UM, DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS? IF I BUY PROPERTY, I GO BUY ONE OF THESE, UH, IF YOU, UH, G OR ALTERNATIVE G OR ALTERNATIVE I, YES.
UH, IF I GO BY ONE OF THESE TOWNHOUSES UNDER G OR ON ONE OF THE 1 75 A G OR THE 1 59 TOWNHOUSE, WHAT KIND OF DEEDED DO I HAVE? UH, WHEN I BUY FROM, UH, UH, FROM, UH, YOUR ORGANIZATION? DO I GET A CONDO DEEDED OR A FEE SIMPLE DEEDED, UH, THE ALTERNATIVES G AND ALTERNATIVES I ARE BOTH, UH, P U D PROPOSALS AND THOSE WOULD BE PROPOSED TO BE TAXED AS FEE SIMPLE.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION.
I KNOW THAT THERE WOULD, THERE WOULD BE AN H O A ON THE PROPERTY.
I'M NOT TALKING TAX, THE DEEDED I GET, IS IT A CONDO DEEDED OR IS IT A FEE? SIMPLE DEEDED FEE.
IT'S A FEE SIMPLE DEEDED, THERE'S NO CONDOMINIUM COMPONENT THERE.
NOW WHO OWNS THE 45? THE, UH, THE, UH, THE UM, F E I S ISMAN SPACE? WHO OWNS THAT 45 ACRES.
THERE WILL BE A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION ESTABLISHED.
WHO OWNS THE 45 ACRES? SHARON, COULD YOU MUTE YOURSELF PLEASE? WHO OWNS THE 45 ACRES? WELL, LISTEN, HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS TYPICALLY DEAL
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WITH LANDSCAPING AND MAINTENANCE AND CLEANING THE, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE SNOW OFF THE ROADS.YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT IS NORMALLY A SERVICE ORGANIZATION.
'CAUSE EACH INDIVIDUAL DOES, WHO OWNS THAT 46? PLEASE? LEMME MAKE A NOTE OF THAT QUESTION AND WE CAN GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.
IN OTHER WORDS, W WHAT IS, WHAT I, THE WAY I READ G AND I, BUT I'M NOT SURE IS THAT IT'S A, IF I BUY A PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE YOU TO CONSTRUCT THIS, BUT LET'S SAY I BUY, BUY A PROPERTY NEXT YEAR, YOU KNOW, 2023, I'M GETTING A
UM, AND, UM, BUT IT'S BEING TAXED TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS? WHO BUT BECAUSE OTHERWISE, WHO, WHO OWNS THE 45 ACRES? YOU DON'T NORMALLY HAVE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.
DO YOU HAVE HAVING OWNERSHIP OF 45 ACRES? LAND, I MEAN, THAT, THAT SAYS A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION AND THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION WHO, WHO, WHO HAS EQUITY? IF IT'S GONNA BE OWNED BY A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, WHO HAS THE EQUITY INTEREST IN THAT, WON'T THE, WON'T THE, UM, WON'T THE, UM, PEOPLE THAT BUY THE HOUSE HAVE SHARES OR SOMETHING IN THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, WHICH WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM AN ECONOMIC INTEREST IN THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.
BUT HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATIONS, I THOUGHT WERE, NORMALLY, I COULD BE WRONG, YOU CAN TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, PLEASE, THAT, UH, HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATIONS NORMALLY JAMES ARE LIKE THIS.
NOT, NOT, THEY'RE NOT TO MAKE PROFIT.
THEY'RE JUST KIND OF LIKE COLLECTIVE SERER SERVICE.
UH, AND SO, SO THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, I I I'VE READ IT.
I I I APOLOGIZE IF I, IF I'M ASKING DUMB QUESTIONS THAT THEIR ANSWERS TO, BUT I DON'T, I COULDN'T FIGURE IT OUT.
AND HOW ARE YOU GONNA GET BACK TO US? ARE YOU GOING TO, UH, SEND AN EMAIL TO, UH, TO C, D AND C AND ASK THEM TO FORWARD IT TO US? OR DO YOU WANT THE EMAIL OF, OF THE J O I WOULD DEFER TO MATT AS TO HOW WE'D LIKE TO COMPILE THE DISCUSSION AND IF RESPONSE IS WARRANTED, YEAH.
UH, WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO SEND IT TO ME, AARON, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE CAN FORWARD ALONG TO THE CAC MEMBERS AND WE CAN PUT IT IN WITH THE OFFICIAL FILE.
SO JAMES, THERE'S REALLY TWO KIND OF QUESTIONS.
WHO IF, IF SOMEONE BUYS THE PRODUCT 20 IN 2023, IS THE DEED A DEEDED THAT SAYS CONDO DEEDED, OR IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNER'S DEEDED? AND WHO OWNS THE 45 ACRES? AND IF IT'S OWNED BY THE HOMEOWNER'S? I MEAN, I DON'T IF IT'S, IF IT'S OWNED BY THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, WHO IS THE OWNERS' OF THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, BECAUSE I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT GIVING IT TO THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.
I MEAN, I MEAN, AND LET, LET ME TAKE IT, LET ME TAKE IT A LITTLE FURTHER.
LET'S ASSUME I BUY A HOUSE IN 2023, JAMES, OKAY? AND THE LAND WILL OWNED BY THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.
I MEAN, SOMEHOW I'M PAYING, I'M PAYING, I GOTTA BE PAYING FOR THAT 45 ACRES BECAUSE OTHERWISE, HOW IS THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION GONNA HAVE THE MONEY TO BUY IT FROM YOU? I MEAN, SOMEONE, SOMEONE'S GOTTA COME UP WITH THE MONEY TO BUY IT, THE 45 OPEN ACRES FROM YOU.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN IF THE MONEY IS GOING TO COME FROM ME AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT BUY THE HUNDREDS OF OTHER PEOPLE, THAT A HUNDRED.
SO ON THE PEOPLE THAT BUY INTO THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, LET'S ASSUME I SELL IT IN 2025.
I'M SELLING MORE THAN THE BRICK AND MORTAR THAT I WAS LIVING IN.
I'M SELLING AN INTEREST IN THAT 45 ACRES.
BUT HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN IF THE HOMEOWNER, IF THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION SHOWN IT? I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, I JUST COULDN'T FIGURE THIS OUT.
AND I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL FOR US IF WE COULD MAY, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAD SIMILAR QUESTIONS, BUT IT'D CERTAINLY BE HELPFUL FOR ME AND MAYBE FOR OTHERS IF WE COULD UNDERSTAND THIS.
MATT, ANY OF THIS? UH, I CAN'T SAY I
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CONSIDERED THAT QUESTION.UM, PLEASE COMPILE THAT QUESTION AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU, UH, AND OTHERS MAY COME UP WITH TONIGHT INTO SOME KIND OF DOCUMENT SO WE HAVE A RECORD OF IT AND WE CAN SEND IT OFF TO JAMES SO HE HAS TIME TO LOOK AT IT FROM THE WAY YOU WORD IT VERSUS HIM, UH, QUICKLY TAKING NOTES TONIGHT.
SO, UH, WE CAN THAT'S A YEAH, COMPREHENSIVE ANSWER.
UM, NANCY, DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THIS? BECAUSE I KNOW YOU AND I HAVE HAD A DISCUSSION, UM, YOU KNOW, AROUND THIS TYPE OF TOPIC.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WE OUGHT TO ASK? UH, UH, JAMES THROUGH? MATT, YOU'RE MUTED.
I KNOW, I JUST, UM, UM, THANK YOU.
I DON'T, NOT AT THIS TIME, NO.
OKAY, SO JAMES, BE CLEAR, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT TAX OWNERSHIP.
I'M TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ECONOMIC FORGET TAX FOR THIS PURPOSE, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ECONOMIC OWNERSHIP OF, OF, OF, UH, BRICK AND MORTAR AND DIRT.
UM, WE'VE KIND OF DONE A LOT OF MATERIAL TONIGHT AND, UM, EVERYONE'S BEEN REALLY HAD SOME REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE MORE QUESTIONS? UH, LET ME SEE.
UM, I UNDERSTOOD LAST NIGHT, UH, JAMES, I DIDN'T LISTEN TO THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS A CONFUSION AT THE PLANNING BOARD IS WHETHER ALTERNATIVE A WAS ANY LONGER BEING CONSIDERED, AND AFTER SOME DISCUSSION, IT WAS STATED BY SOMEONE REP, I KNOW YOU OR SOMEONE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, THAT ALTERNATIVE A IS STILL BEING CONSIDERED.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
ALTERNATIVE A WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT WAS PUT FORTH IN THE D E I S OR THE 175 UNITS OF THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH THE AGE RESTRICTION.
ALL OF THE ALTERNATIVES THAT APPEAR IN THE F E I SS ALTERNATIVE A IS THE ONLY ONE THAT MAINTAINS THE AGE RESTRICTED COMPONENT.
BUT IT'S STILL
BUT NOW IS IT IS ONE OF THE FIVE ALTERNATIVES.
UM, UM, THE, UM, AND SOMEONE TOLD TOLD ME, BUT I WASN'T REALLY, I HAVEN'T BEEN, I WAS OUT ALL AFTERNOON, UNFORTUNATELY.
CAN THE, THE AMOUNT OF, COULD YOU DESCRIBE, UM, HOW THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I UNDERSTAND THE TAXES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 82 AND 8,300, IS THAT RIGHT? DO YOU KNOW THE PAGE THAT ALL THAT'S ON IN THE, UH, F E I S, THE DISCUSSION OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING? SOMEONE CALLED ME ABOUT THAT AND UH, GAVE ME SOME INFORMATION, BUT I HAVEN'T HAD ANY CHANCE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ACCURATE OR NOT, WHAT I WAS TOLD.
DO YOU KNOW WHERE THAT, WHERE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DISCUSSION IS? UH, JAMES, UH, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T KNOW THE PAGE AND REFERENCE NUMBER FOR THAT, BUT IF YOU DO A, A SEARCH IN THE P D F, IT'LL, UH, YOU CAN COME UP WITH THE AFFORDABLE REFERENCES VERY QUICKLY.
WELL, WHAT I WAS TOLD IS WHAT, DOES SOMEONE KNOW WHAT THE PAGE OF THAT, UM, UM, THE, AND THE PRICE WAS GONNA BE 2,600, UH, I MEAN 20, I MEAN 260,000, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT IS THE NUMBER THAT IS REFERENCED.
THEN I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER DUQUE AT THE MEETING LAST NIGHT, UH, WENT INTO DETAIL ABOUT HOW HE HAD DERIVED THAT NUMBER.
I MEAN, UM, I MEAN THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION FRONT ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH, UM, UH, IT'S ON THREE DOT C TWO TWO AND TWO DASH THREE, AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE EXTERIOR UNITS AND OTHER ARCHITECTURALLY DISTINGUISHABLE FROM THE FULL
THE AFFORDABLE UNITS WOULD'VE NO BASEMENT AND 80% OF THE GROSS FLOOR AREA.
UM, BUT I I, I DIDN'T, I'LL HAVE TO KEEP SEARCHING OR MAYBE, UM, UM, TO, TO, TO, TO WHERE THESE, UM, WHERE THESE NUMBERS ARE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, OKAY.
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DOES ANYONE LOOK DO IT? I MEAN, DOES ANYONE, UH, I, I DUNNO THAT BECAUSE IT'S THE BULK OF THE BOOK BOOK IS RESPONSES TO THE COMMENTS THAT CAME OUTTA THE D E I S AND WHEN THERE IS THE DISCUSSION OF THE HUNDRED 59 TOWNHOUSE IS THE ONLY THING THAT IS STATED IS THAT THERE ARE 15 UNITS OF THE TOTAL 159 UNIT PROJECT WOULD BE DESIGNATED AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING EXHIBITING SIGNIFICANT CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HOUSING POLICY.SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS NECESSARILY IN THIS DOCUMENT BECAUSE THEN RIGHT AFTER WE GET BEYOND THAT SECTION, WE GET INTO THE COMMENTS AND I DON'T KNOW THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS DISCUSSED IN THE D E I S.
SO THEREFORE I QUESTION WHETHER THERE IS A, UH, D E I S QUESTION ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AM I, AM I CORRECT JAMES, THAT THE D THERE WAS NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHIN THE OPTIONS IN, UH, THE, UH, THE DRAFT? THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION.
AND THE D E I S THERE WAS NO AFFORDABLE COMPONENT IN ANY OF THE ALTERNATIVES STUDIED, UH, BECAUSE THE P THE TOWN'S P U D REGULATIONS AND THE TOWN'S, UH, HOUSING REGULATIONS DO NOT REQUIRE IT.
THESE ARE NOT
YEAH, BECAUSE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT, THIS IS NOT IN ONE OF THE ZONES THAT HAVE, UH, I MEAN THIS IS NOT IN, UH, UM, NO, I AGREE.
YOU BOARD DOES NOT REQUIRE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS.
UH, BUT I, I DON'T WHERE IS, IS THERE ANY PLACE IN THE F E THE FINAL E I S, IS THERE ANY PLACE THAT, UM, THERE IS A DISCUSSION OF, UM, OF THE 4,000? I WOULD FIRST YEP, I WOULD, I WOULD FIRST DIRECT YOU TO, UH, CHAPTER C TWO, UH, LAND USE ZONING AND PUBLIC POLICY AS A START.
YEAH, THAT'S WHY I WAS LOOKING.
WELL, YEAH, THERE'S A BIT AT THREE C, TWO DASH TWO A BIT.
UM, I MEAN ALL THAT'S TWO DASH 15 IS 15 UNITS WOULD BE DESIGNATED.
NANCY, WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? C I WAS ON C I WAS ON THREE C DASH.
WHAT? AND WHAT, WHAT NOW? THREE C TWO DASH TWO.
IT'S A BIT, BUT UM, JAMES, I KEEP HEARING THAT THIS IS SEARCHABLE.
HOW IS, HOW DOES ONE, I ONLY HAVE IT ONLINE.
HOW DO YOU SEARCH? CAN YOU I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION.
I CAN'T FIND A SEARCH CONTROL F AND THEN YOU TYPE IN THE WORDS YOU WANT, BUT WHEN I DO THAT, IT COMES UP JUST SEARCHING JUST THAT PAGE.
YEAH, I'M HAVING THE SAME PROBLEM.
IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE FUNCTIONING, NOT SEARCH THE WHOLE DOCUMENT, WHICH IS, I KNOW ODD 'CAUSE I USE CONTROL F ALL THE TIME ON OTHER DOCUMENTS.
UH, I MAYBE RECOMMEND DOWNLOADING THE P D F LOCALLY AND THEN USING THE SEARCH FUNCTION WITHIN, UH, ACROBAT.
YOU HAVE THAT FUNCTIONALITY, MATT? I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
DOWNLOAD THE WHOLE THING, NANCY.
THAT'S WHAT I FOUND I READING FROM UH, C DASH TWO DASH THREE, BUT I DIDN'T SEE, I'M NOT SAYING THE SAME, BUT I, THERE'S LIKE ONE PARAGRAPH AT AT THREE C TWO DASH TWO TWO.
YEAH, IT STARTS ON THE BOTTOM AND GOES TO THE NEXT, YEAH.
THAT'S ALL I KNOW OF AT THIS MOMENT.
BUT I'M GONNA DOWNLOAD AND SEE IF I CAN SEARCH.
WELL, IF YOU CAN SEARCH IT AND, AND FIND, OR YOU OR LIZ OR BOTH OF YOU CAN TRY TO SEARCH FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THEN MAYBE SEND OUT AN EMAIL THE PAGES IT'S ON, IT'D BE GREAT.
YEAH, I'M TRYING TO DOWNLOAD, SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
UM, UH, BECAUSE THEY, THEY DID MENTION THE, THE, THE, THE NUMBER, THE, THE AMOUNT LAST NIGHT AT THE, AT THE PLANNING BOARD AND THEY DID TALK ABOUT, I KNOW THEY WERE, THEY WANTED, THEY DIDN'T WANT, THE PLANNING BOARD FELT THAT PUTTING THEM IN THE AFFORDABLE UNITS INTO SEPARATE BUILDINGS MADE IT, UM, THAT THEY WERE SORT OF STIGMATIZED AND THE PLANNING BOARD FELT THAT THE UNITS SHOULD BE SPREAD AMONG ALL THE, THE, THE, THE BLOCKS OF UNITS.
SO THEY WOULD BE LIKE, THE BLOCKS SEEMED TO BE FOUR UNITS AND THEY WERE SAYING, WELL, THE AFFORDABLE ONE SHOULD BE ONE OF ONE OF THE FOUR AND HAVE AN AFFORDABLE AND THREE, THREE REGULAR
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UNITS.AND THAT WAY THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WOULDN'T BE SO CONSPICUOUS THAT SOMEONE WAS IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO, UM, WE HAVE QUITE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF GROUND TONIGHT.
UM, KIND OF GETTING BACK, UH, BACK TO THE QUESTIONS OF THE CIC, I ALSO HAVE ANY MEMBERS, UH, QUESTIONS.
I, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR GEORGE GEORGIA.
ARE YOU BACK, ARE YOU HOME? NO, MIKE, I'M, I'M, I'M, UH, VACATIONING IN FLORIDA THIS MONTH, SO I'LL BE BACK, UH, PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, BEGINNING OF MARCH.
SO IF WE HAVE NO MORE QUESTIONS, I THINK WE MAY, OH WAIT.
SORRY, I KNOW I'M GONNA WRITTEN UP.
IS THE PERSON WITH THE MOST QUESTIONS THAT MAY VALUE QUESTIONS, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD THING.
UM, I DUNNO HOW GO ABOUT THAT.
SO MY QUESTION IS ABOUT, UM, GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE.
I NOTICED, UM, IN THE DRAFT, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE E I S IT TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOLAR PANELS.
I'M JUST CURIOUS AT WHAT POINT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW NYSERDA AND OUR LOCAL SUSTAINABLE WESTCHESTER ARE MOVING AWAY FROM RECOMMENDING SOLAR PANELS, WHICH DIDN'T SEEM TO MAKE SENSE ANYWAY FOR THE PROJECT AND ARE LOOKING AT AIR SOURCE OR GROUND SOURCE HEAT PUMPS AND JUST OTHER TYPES OF ALTERNATIVES.
AT WHAT POINT DOES THAT BECOME PART OF THE DISCUSSION? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT GETS DISCUSSED ULTIMATELY WITH THE BUYER OR DOES THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT NOW? WHAT POSSIBLE OPTIONS THERE ARE? UM, GOOD QUESTION, LIZ.
I I WOULD THINK THAT MAYBE, UM, IT WOULD BE MIKE, WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY THAT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD POINT OUT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED WITH A RECOMMENDATION OR NO, YOU'RE SAYING NO, I I I'M NOT, I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, WE GOTTA, I THINK, UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DEEDED IS AND ANSWER THAT IF IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, THEN IT'S UP TO THE INDIVIDUALS.
IF IT'S A CONDO, MAYBE IT'S STILL UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL.
UH, ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES EVEN THOUGH SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE IS THE DEVELOPER IN CHARGE OF MAKING, YOU KNOW, DOING THE BUILDING OR COMING UP WITH THE BASIC IDEA AS OPPOSED TO AN INDIVIDUAL BUYING.
AND I DON'T, I I DON'T, DIDN'T SEE THAT DISCUSSION HERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY REALLY INTEND TO DO.
UH, YES, I, I HAVE A TRUST NOW THAT YOU MENTION IT.
I HAVE A QUESTION THAT SEEMS, IT GOES BACK TO SORT OF MIKE'S QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, AND I DUNNO HOW THIS IS DONE IN PLACES WHERE THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION IS STRICTLY FOR MAINTAINING THE LAWN, BUT IF YOU, NORMALLY YOU HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, YOU HAVE A LINE COMING IN WITH YOUR SEWER LINE, YOU HAVE A LINE COMING IN WITH YOUR GAS, YOU HAVE A LINE COMING IN WITH YOUR WATER, THE SEWER LINE GOES OUT.
SO YOU OWN THAT, THAT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.
I WOULD THINK WHEN YOU BUILD LIKE THIS, YOU TEND TO BRING IN A MASTER LINES AND THEN WHEN YOU GET TO THE BUILDING BASE, YOU SPLIT OUT THOSE LINES AT THE BASE OF THE BUILDING AND TAKE IT TO EACH OF THE ATTACHED UNITS.
SO THAT SEEMS TO BE A QUESTION, MIKE, THAT GOES BACK TO YOUR QUESTION AS TO WHO, WHO TAKES CARE OF THAT IF THAT'S DONE WELL, CAN I THROW OUT SOMETHING ELSE BEFORE MIKE ANSWERS TO, BECAUSE YOU JUST MADE ME THINK OF SOMETHING TERRY.
UH, THIS IS, UH, JAMES, WOULD YOU PLEASE LOOK AT C TWO DASH 14? NOW? LET ME READ YOU SOME WORDS.
TELL ME WHEN YOU GOT IT ON THE SCREEN.
MATT, WOULD YOU LOOK AT THESE TWO PLE? MATT? IF IT'S POSSIBLE, WOULD YOU MIND LOOKING AT THESE TWO, THIS TWO PLEASE? WHAT IS THE NUMBER? THREE C DASH TWO DASH 14 RESPONSE.
TWO DASH 12 I I JUST WANNA SHOW YOU JAMES AND MATT, WHY I HAD THE ORIGINAL QUESTION.
UH, MY LAPTOP I'M DOING THIS ON IS INCREDIBLY SLOW, SO I'LL GET TO IT EVENTUALLY.
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GOT IT.UH, LIZ, YOU GOT IT? UH, ALFRED? YOU GOT IT? GEORGE? YOU GOT IT.
TELL ME WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE READY, MATT.
YOU SAID TWO DASH 12? TWO DASH 12 TWO DASH 12.
IT'S ON PAGE THREE DASH C DASH TWO DASH 14.
MATT, YOU UP? I'M ROLLING TO IT RIGHT NOW.
NOW LOOK AT THE LAST NO CHANGE IN NEW YORK LOBBY.
AND HERE ARE THE WORDS I'D LIKE TO UN IS WHAT, WHAT GENERATED THE QUESTION, JAMES AND MATT, THERE IS A VOLUNTEERING OFF A VOLUNTARY OFFERING TO PAY TAX AS PART OF A FEE SIMPLE STRUCTURE BASED ON A HUNDRED PERCENT VALUATION FOR THESE F E I S PER ALTERNATIVES.
SO THAT'S WHAT RAISES THE QUESTION TO ME, THAT THE DEEDED MAY BE FEE SIMPLE, BUT THERE'S GONNA BE LOT.
I I'M SORRY, I GOT, I GOT BACK.
THE DEED MAY BE CONDO, BUT THERE'S GONNA BE AN AGREEMENT IN THE DEEDED TO PAY FEE SIMPLE TAXES.
AND THAT'S, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE ANSWER, JAMES, BUT I'M SAYING THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT IS, IS WHAT'S BEING PLANNED HERE IS A CONDO DEEDED PLUS A VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT TO PAY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT TAXES.
UH, YOU, YOU SEE THOSE WORDS, JAMES AND MATT? AND, AND THAT'S, I JUST, YES.
I I, LIZ, I KNOW I'LL CUT YOU OFF.
BUT THIS IS WHAT, THIS IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
I JUST HAD COME BACK LATE AND I DIDN'T HAVE THIS THING CLIPPED OUT.
BUT THAT, THAT'S WHY, AND I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S ANYTHING RIGHT OR WRONG WITH ANY ANSWER THAT DON'T MISUNDERSTAND ME.
I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT SO WE CAN ANALYZE IT AND, AND WE ANALYZE IT, RIGHT? THAT IT NOT MUCH SENSE IN US TRYING TO ANALYZE IT AND WE DON'T, BUT WE WE'RE NOT ANALYZING THE RIGHT THING.
SO, SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO, THAT THAT'S WHY THE QUESTION.
UM, AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT, THEN IT SAYS C RESPONSE TO 14 A, UM, AND THAT'S ON PAGE C DASH THREE DASH 1410.
AND CAN BOTH EVERYBODY FLIP TO THAT PLEASE? C DASH THREE DASH C DASH 1410, UH, AND THEN IT SAYS, YEAH, WELL, LEMME JUST WAIT TILL I, OH, YOU GUYS GET THERE? EVERYBODY? YEAH, OVER THERE.
JAMES, YOU THERE? MATT? YOU THERE? YEP.
OKAY, THEN IF, IF YOU LOOK KIND OF TOWARDS TWO THIRDS OF TWO THIRDS OF THE WAY DOWN, IT SAYS RESPONSE 13, I'M SORRY, 14 DASH EIGHT.
IT SAYS ALL OF THE FEE PROPOSALS WILL BE FEE SIMPLE OWNERSHIP.
THAT'S THE ORIGINAL QUESTION, JAMES.
YOU KNOW, AS TO WHETHER THE DEED IS A FEE SIMPLE OR CONDO DEEDED, THE DEEDED RESTRICTION, A DEEDED RESTRICTION WILL BE ESTABLISHED IN COORDINATION TOWN ATTORNEY AND TOWN ASSISTANT AND IS ANTICIPATED TO BE IDENTIFIED IN THE FINDING STATEMENTS TO THE TOWN BOARD.
BUT IF IT'S ALREADY FEE SIMPLE OWNERSHIP IN THE DEEDS, YOU DON'T NEED A DEED RESTRICTION, WHICH WAS MY CONFUSION.
AND YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE A, UH, A HOUSE THAT, UH,
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MY WIFE, WIFE AND I OWN.UH, IT'S A NORMAL, NORMAL DEEDED NO DEEDED RESTRICTION THAT YOU TAXES AS A SINGLE, NOT YOU, BUT THE TOWN TAXES IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE BECAUSE, UH, THAT'S JUST WHAT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, SO WHEN TALKING ABOUT A DEEDED RESTRICTION, THAT'S THEN WHAT BACKED ME INTO THE QUESTION, IS IT GONNA BE A CONDO DEEDED WITH A DEEDED RESTRICTION TO PAY SINGLE FAMILY TAXATION? AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET, YOU KNOW, CLARITY ON.
BUT, UH, JAMES AND MATT, THAT W WHEN YOU ASKED THE QUESTION, W WOULD YOU PLEASE, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, RESPONSE TWO DASH 12 AND RESPONSE 14 DASH EIGHT, AND THAT'S WHAT, JUST WHAT GENERATED, AT LEAST IN MY MIND, THE CONFUSION AND WE JUST WANTED TO BE SURE WE GOT IT RIGHT.
AND I'M NOT, AGAIN, I'M NOT MAKING ANY JUDGMENTS OR ANYTHING BY ASKING THIS QUESTION.
JUST, JUST WANNA BE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, AND, AND LIZ, I APOLOGIZE.
UH, YOU, YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, ARE YOU GUYS READY FOR ME OR YOU'RE STILL, YEAH.
SO I'M THINKING BACK TO AN EARLIER, TERRY, YOU HAD INDICATED THAT AT THIS POINT THE OWNER WILL GRADE THE LAND AND LAY OUT ROADS.
SO THAT INDICATES TO ME THAT WHATEVER THE SOURCE OF ELECTRICITY, HEAT, WHATEVER PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE SORTED PRIOR TO ROADS GOING DOWN.
IN WHICH CASE, IF IT WAS GOING TO BE ANY KIND OF GROUND PUMP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE SETTLED AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
AND I ONLY MENTION ALL OF IT BECAUSE AS WE KNOW, NEW YORK STATE IS HOPING TO MOVE AWAY FROM ANY FOSSIL FUEL CONNECTION, AND THAT AT SOME POINT EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE AIR OR GROUND SOURCE OR SOME OTHER GREEN, BUT NOT NECESSARILY SOLAR, WHICH WAS THE ONE THING THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE DRAFT.
BUT I THINK, SO IT'S A, A GOOD QUESTION TO BE ASKING.
'CAUSE I THINK IT KEEPS GOING BACK TO ALSO IF THESE ARE GOING TO BE SHARED SOURCES AND NOT INDIVIDUAL TO EACH UNIT, THEN HOW WILL THEY BE MET? HOW, WHAT WILL BE THE MECHANISM WITHIN THE COMMUNITY FOR MANAGING THEM? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY
I MEAN, WE ALL RIGHT NOW SHARE WHATEVER CONED WE DO, BUT, BUT WHEN WE, BUT NO, WHEN WE TAKE IT FROM THE ROAD BED TO OUR HOUSE, IT IS MY OWN, IT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY.
I HAD TO DO MAJOR WORK ON MY SEWER LINE THIS SUMMER FROM THE HOUSE TO THE STREET.
IF YOU HAVE BUILDINGS THAT ARE BLOCKED TOGETHER, OR YOU HAVE A HEAT PUMP THAT'S GONNA PROVIDE HEAT TO FOUR CONTINUOUS UNITS OR MAYBE MORE, THAT HAS TO BE, HAVE SOME SORT OF SOURCE OF FINANCING.
AND OWNERSHIP, AGAIN, IT GOES BACK IS IS IT A CONDO DEEDED OR IS IT A SINGLE FAMILY DEEDED? YEAH, I MEAN, IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE MECHANICS OF BUILDING, MAKING IT MAKE AN ISSUE AND MAKING AN ITEM OF THIS.
BECAUSE ONE OF THE EXPEDIENCIES OF REDUCING THE COST WHEN YOU BUILD WHERE THE ATTACKED BUILDINGS IS, YOU'RE NOT RUNNING ALL OF THESE LINES WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE AS MANY OUTSIDE WALLS.
BUT YOU ALSO, IN TERMS OF PUTTING IN THINGS LIKE YOUR HEAT, YOUR ELECTRIC AND, AND STUFF LIKE THIS, IT IS LESS EXPENSIVE BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST NOT DIGGING AS MANY TRENCHES TO RUN THESE THINGS THROUGH.
AND YOU MAY NOT HAVE AS MANY, YOU MAY NOT HAVE AS MUCH, UM, UM, UM, MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT.
IT MAY BE ONE PER, PER PER UH, UH, POD.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THREE OR FOUR, THREE OR FOUR TOWNHOUSES IN A POD.
YOU MAY HAVE ONE MECHANIC TO SERVICES.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S POSS POTENTIALLY POSSIBLE.
I JUST, I'M, THERE WAS ACTUALLY A NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT JUST WENT UP, I THINK IN SORS WHERE THEY DID A FULL GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO I AM ACTUALLY TALKING TO SOMEBODY TOMORROW TO FIND OUT HOW THAT, BECAUSE THERE'S TWO PIECES TO THIS.
IT'S, IT'S THE FEASIBILITY OF DOING IT AND THEN IT'S ALSO HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE OWNERSHIP.
BUT WE HAVE REALLY TWO QUESTIONS THERE, TWO SEPARATE QUESTIONS, RIGHT? WELL, THERE'S TWO PARTS, RIGHT? OBVIOUSLY ANY, IF IT WERE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE, ANY INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER CAN, CAN DECIDE HOW THEY WANT TO HEAT OR COOL THEIR HOME.
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BA, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LIKE THE HOUSE I OWN.NOW, WHEN WE BOUGHT IT, WE DON'T HAVE CONED GAS LINES ON AVAILABLE TO ME.
SO I HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO DO OIL.
BUT SINCE I WANTED A GAS STOVE, I HAD TO PUT IN MY OWN PROPANE.
OF COURSE, PROBABLY GONNA REMOVE ALL OF IT NOW TO GET RID OF, BUT THAT'S A WHOLE SEPARATE FUEL FALL LINE NOW IS IT'S GONNA BE OWNED BY THE, A, UH, HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.
UH, IT CERTAINLY WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION.
THERE'S NO QUESTIONED ABOUT THAT.
BUT AGAIN, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS OWNERSHIP IS GOING TO WORK, INDEPENDENT ATTACK.
SO DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS OWNERSHIP IS GOING TO WORK.
BECAUSE LET'S, LET'S TAKE THE EXAMPLE OF THE POD OWNS THE HEAT PUMP.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THEN, THEN IT MEANS THAT IF YOU SELL YOUR UNIT, YOU KNOW, IF YOUR HEAT PUMP NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, IT, IT JUST HAS A LOT OF IN INTRICACIES THAT NEED TO BE RESOLVED.
SO, WELL, IT'S KIND, I MEAN, IT'S THE SAME AS LIKE RIGHT NOW I RECEIVE OIL.
IF THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH MY OIL TANK, THAT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY.
BUT THE REASON WHY I HAVE OIL IS 'CAUSE I'M CONNECTING INTO WHATEVER INFRASTRUCTURE WAS ORIGINALLY LAID UNDER THE ROADS.
BUT, BUT, BUT IF YOU, ONCE IT LEAVES THE ROAD, IT'S, IF THE OWNERSHIP IS VERY DIFFERENT, IF WHEN IT LEAVES THE ROAD, IT GOES DIRECTLY TO YOUR HOUSE OR IT GOES TO THE POD, RIGHT? BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION WAS BACK TO, WELL, WHAT IS THE ORIGINAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S GOING TO BE MADE AVAILABLE? BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY, I ASSUME GOING DOWN, WHETHER THEY ADD PIPING THAT LEADS INTO WHATEVER CURRENT SITUATION IS, IS AVAILABLE IN THAT AREA, WHETHER IT'S ELECTRIC OR OIL OR YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT
SO, SO DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL DIFFERENT QUESTIONS COMING UP? IN WHICH CASE I WANNA THANK EVERYONE.
I THINK IT'S, I HOPE IT'S BEEN A FRUITFUL EVENING.
AND, AND MATT, THANK YOU FOR, FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER AND STICKING WITH, AND THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING AND, AND UM, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, HELPING US TRY TO GET SOME THINGS SO WE UNDER, SO WE, WE GET IT RIGHT AS TO WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND I WANNA THANK JAMES FOR PARTICIPATING AND JOINING US AND HOPEFULLY GETTING US SOME ANSWERS.
UH, UH, GEORGE, ARE YOU, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF TERRY MENTIONED SOMETHING I MIGHT WANNA ASK.
YEAH, NO, I, I DIDN'T, MIKE, I THOUGHT THAT SHOULD BE DONE OFFLINE.
ARE YOU WILLING, ARE YOU, ARE YOU ONE, ARE YOU ABLE UNTIL, ARE YOU WILLING TO DO A, UM, A, A FEW THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE ON THE INTERNET WHILE YOU'RE ON VACATION? YES, OF OF COURSE.
I, I'LL BE, I CAN MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE BEST.
JUST LET ME KNOW WHAT, UH, WHAT THE DETAILS ARE, WHAT I CAN, WHY DON'T YOU GIVE ME A CALL? CAN YOU GIMME A CALL TOMORROW AFTERNOON? I'LL DO THAT.
YOU HAVE MY E DO YOU HAVE MY TELEPHONE NUMBER OR DO YOU WANT ME TO CALL YOU? I MEAN, OH, YOU WANT ME TO EMAIL? I I HAVE YOUR NUMBER, BUT ANYWAY, THAT WORKS.
SO WHAT TIME IS A GOOD TIME FOR ME TO CALL YOU? I DON'T DUNNO.
YEAH, JUST, UH, JUST, I THINK I, I HAVE SOME, SOME CALLS TOMORROW MORNING, BUT I THINK ANYTIME OR AFTERNOON SHOULD BE FINE.
WE'LL NEVER TAKE, TAKE, UH, 15 MINUTES.
THIS ONE KIND OF, UM, ANALYTICAL CALCULATION, UM, THAT WE, WE NEED TO BE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT BEING DONE RIGHT.
AND I THINK IT'S THE TYPE OF THING YOU'VE HAD EXPERIENCE DOING.
MIKE, I'LL, I'LL TALK TO YOU TOMORROW.
AND ONCE AGAIN, MATT, THANK YOU FOR RUNNING THIS.
AND ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE, MIKE, PLEASE SEND THE, YOUR QUESTIONS IN AN EMAIL TO ME, UH, AND AARON SO I CAN FURTHER THEM ALONG TO JAMES SO HE CAN CREATE A COMPREHENSIVE ANSWER TO THEM.
APPRECIATE VERY MUCH WHAT YOU, THANK YOU.