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[ FINAL TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, March 2, 2022 – 6:30 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY TO THE EARLY EDITION OF THE PLANNING BOARD MEETINGTHE REASON FOR THAT IS WE REALLY HAVE A HUGE REPACK SCHEDULE TONIGHT, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY PROBABLY GONNA GO TO 10 O'CLOCK TONIGHT.
I CAN'T SEE US NOT DOING THAT.
UM, AND WE HAD A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN THANK THE PLANNING BOARD WHO WORKS REALLY HARD TO COME A LITTLE BIT EARLIER THAN NORMAL TO TRY TO GET THROUGH WHAT IS A VERY DIFFICULT SCHEDULE WE HAVE IN MARCH.
UH, AARON, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLES PLEASE? THE ROLE, PLEASE? SURE.
WE'LL NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT BOARD MEMBER K DECIDES NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY, UH, CHANGES TO THE MINUTES, MONA? YES.
I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT AT THE END OF THE MINUTES, UM, MATT SAID THAT WE WOULD BE MEETING TODAY AT SEVEN, AND INSTEAD WE'RE MEETING TODAY AT SIX 30.
AND THAT WAS DECIDED LAST WEEK.
THE OTHER THING MATT DID, IT SAYS, DID WE, GO AHEAD, WALTER, ON PAGE SEVEN, MONA, IT SAYS THE, IT SAYS SIX 30.
NO, ON PAGE THREE, IT SAYS THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF THE GREENBERG PLAN.
PAGE NUMBER THREE, THAT'S RIGHT ABOUT THAT.
DID WE MAKE THE CHANGE AND MOVE GARRETT'S, UH, SPEECH TO A, AN, AN EXHIBIT INSTEAD OF HAVING IT IN THE BODY? WE'RE GONNA DO THAT AS AN ATTACHMENT.
IN WHICH CASE IS THERE ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? OKAY.
I WANT TO TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED.
ANYTHING IN CORRESPONDENCE OTHER THAN, UH, PROJECTS WE'RE, UM, HEARING TONIGHT? NO.
CHAIRPERSON, SCHWARTZ, NOTHING.
WHY DON'T WE, JERRY'S NOT HERE YET, RIGHT? OR A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE PARKS DEPARTMENT'S? NOT HERE YET.
WE DO HAVE MR. LONGO HERE, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE CONSIDER DOING THE DECISION ON SHAW.
WHY DON'T WE DO, WHY DON'T WE GET SHAW OUT OF THE WAY IN THE, IN THE MEANTIME, I AGREE WITH THAT.
HE'S ABOUT TWO MINUTES FROM HIS OFFICE.
UM, I THINK, JOHN, I DON'T THINK SHA UH, SHAH'S GONNA TAKE US MORE THAN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES ANYWAY.
FIVE MINUTES ANYWAY, SO I'D RATHER GET THROUGH IT.
AS I SAID, WE'VE GOT A REAL TIGHT SCHEDULE TONIGHT, SO I'D RATHER GET THROUGH SHAW IF WE COULD.
THE SHAW, UM, IT'S A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.
INCLUDE, UH, A PROPOSED TO BE SUBDIVISION OF TWO LOTS, AND ONE TO FACILITATE AN ADDITION AT 25 THOMAS STREET.
UH, ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE APPROVAL LETTER? I JUST WAS GOING TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT THERE ARE NO SPECIAL CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, AND WE DID DO SEEKER PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THE ONLY CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING IS A VOTE ON THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION ON PB 21 DASH 34.
WALTER, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, MR. HAYES.
AND THAT IS OFF OF OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.
WE REALLY CAN'T MOVE ON FROM HERE WITHOUT JERRY.
SO WHAT I'LL DO IS, WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON COMMISSIONER BYRNE, I'LL JUST GET THE PLANS UP, OR MR. LONGO, PLEASE DO, IF YOU INTENDED TO PUT, PUT UP THE PLANS.
UM, BUT I DO HAVE THEM AVAILABLE.
YEAH, I, I HAVE THEM AT THE READY, AARON, IF I HAVE, UH, SCREEN SHARING PERMISSIONS? YES, YOU SHOULD.
LET ME, UM, LET ME GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.
I'LL PULL UP THE FIRST, EXCUSE ME, THE PRELIMINARY PLAN FOR TAX TO ROAD PARK, AND THEN, UH, AND I CAN READ THE INTRODUCTION IF YOU'D LIKE.
CHAIRPERSON? YES, PLEASE, MR. SCHMIDT.
SO AS CHAIR CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ INDICATED, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CASE NUMBER TB 22 DASH
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ZERO ONE, THE TAX TO ROAD PARK PLAYGROUND AND PARKING LOT PROPOSAL, AND THAT THAT'S LOCATED AT TAXI ROAD PARK LOCATED OFF TAXI ROADTHE PLANNING BOARD WILL BE DISCUSSING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD REGARDING THE PROPOSED USE OF UP TO $100,000 OF RECREATION ESCROW FUNDS FOR THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW PLAYGROUND PARKING LOT AT THE TAXI ROAD PARK.
COMMISSIONER BYRNE WILL BE US WITH US SHORTLY TO WALK US THROUGH THE PROPOSAL IN MORE DEPTH.
AND AS NOTED, WE DO HAVE MR. JOHN LONGO HERE, UH, TO WALK US THROUGH SOME OF THE FINER DETAILS AS WELL,
IF YOU, IF YOU, IF I'M PERMITTED TO BEGIN, I CAN, UH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
YEAH, PLEASE, JOHN, GO RIGHT AHEAD.
SO, UM, IN LOOKING AT THE PLAN, CAN YOU ALL SEE THE SCREEN? YES.
LET ME, UM, LET ME JUST ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT HERE.
SO ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN IS THE EXISTING BASKETBALL COURT AND CURRENT CHILDREN'S PLAYGROUND.
THE, THE CURRENT PROPOSAL WILL BE TO REMOVE THE PLAYGROUND FROM THE FAR, UH, I GUESS THAT'D BE THE WEST LOOKING AT THIS.
UM, MOVE THE, REMOVE THE EXISTING PLAYGROUND.
UM, SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEET CURRENT, UH, C P S C UNDER A D A GUIDELINES FOR, UH, PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S IN NEED OF RENOVATION AND REPLACEMENT.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE IT HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE WHILE DOING THAT.
IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE PARK, IT HAS, UH, THREE TERRACES.
AS YOU MOVE FROM TAXI TO ROAD, THE ELEVATION RISES AWAY FROM US.
SO THE GOAL HERE IS TO, TO MOVE THE PLAYGROUND CLOSE TO WHERE THE PROPOSED PARKING LOT WOULD BE TO MAKE IT FULLY A D A ACCESSIBLE.
UM, SO THERE'S THE TWO PARTS OF THE PROJECT, WHICH WOULD BE THE, THE BASKETBALL COURT WOULD REMAIN.
THE CURRENT AREA OF THE PLAYGROUND WOULD REVERT TO, TO GRASS, WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE OPEN SPACE AVAILABLE FOR PLAY ACTIVITIES IN, IN THAT UPPER TERRACE, IF YOU WILL.
THE NEW PLAYGROUND WOULD BE LOCATED AS CLOSE TO THE PARKING AS POSSIBLE.
UM, FOR PARENTS WITH LITTLE CHILDREN AND OR ELDERLY RESIDENTS BRINGING THEIR GRANDCHILDREN TO THE PLAYGROUND, THAT ONLY MAKES SENSE.
UM, IT WOULD HAVE A SIDEWALK, UM, ADJACENT TO IT, AGAIN, HANDICAPPED PARKING.
THERE WOULD BE FOUR PARKING STALLS IN THIS, UH, SMALL PARKING AREA, IT'S ONLY ABOUT 2,700 SQUARE FEET.
UM, AND BY CODE IT ONLY REQUIRES ONE HANDICAPPED PARKING STALL.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING.
AND HANDICAPPED PARKING STALLS LOCATED IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT'S DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE, UM, PLAYGROUNDS.
WE WOULD HAVE A PROPOSED WOODEN GUARDRAIL, WHICH WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, D O T, UH, QUALITY IN TERMS OF, UH, BEING ABLE TO STOP A VEHICLE SO THAT, UH, AN ERR UH, VEHICLE OPERATOR WOULDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DRIVE INTO THE PLAYGROUND, IF YOU WILL.
WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF INFRASTRUCTURE WE'RE PUTTING IN HERE, MEANING, UH, MINIMIZE OR ELIMINATE CURBS WHERE WE CAN, AND, AND REALLY REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACES THAT, THAT WE HAVE HERE TO, UH, ASSIST IN CONTROLLING AND REDUCING STORM WATER RUNOFF.
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE GOALS HERE.
UM, THERE WOULD BE SOME, UH, WIDENING OF THE CURRENT, UH, AREA OFF OF TAXI ROAD, SO THAT WE COULD HAVE INGRESS AND EGRESS SAFELY INTO AND OUT OF THE PARKING LOT.
WE HAVE NOT, UM, AT THE MOMENT WE ARE NOT, THE PARK PROJECT DOES NOT ENTERTAIN CURB AND SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS ON TAXED OR ROAD, ALTHOUGH I, I BELIEVE FROM PRIOR CONVERSATIONS, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, FURTHER DISCUSSED WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING TO ENCOURAGE, UH, WALKING TO THIS PARK IN A SAFER MANNER THAN WALKING ON THE SHOULDER OF THE ROAD.
UH, THAT REAL ESTATE DOES EXIST, WHERE THE CURRENT PARK FENCES AND THE RIGHT OF WAY SHOULDER, IF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WERE TO BE MADE, WE ARE NOT REMOVING ANY VEGETATION AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, ASIDE FROM, UH, TURF GRASS.
SO THE EXISTING MATURE TREES AND ALL THAT WILL REMAIN AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, THAT'S THE GIST OF THIS PROJECT.
IT, IT IS KIND OF SMALL IN NATURE, BUT SEEMINGLY IS IMPORTANT TO THE, UH, TO THE IRVINGTON AREA IN TERMS OF, UH, SHOWING IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PARK OVER HERE AND GETTING PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE TO IT RATHER THAN WALKING DOWN, YOU KNOW, WALKING A DISTANCE ON THE ROAD TO BE ABLE TO GET TO IT.
AND IT'S, UM, PROBABLY UNDERSERVED BECAUSE OF THAT.
AND THIS WILL INCREASE USAGE OF THE PARK AND THE BUDGET FOR THAT, IT WAS PUT ON A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
THERE'S TWO PARTS TO THAT, AARON.
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DO THE TOUGH STUFF.AARON IS THE GUY THAT, OH, SORRY.
YEAH, I JUST, HI, JERRY PICTURES.
THAT'S REALLY GOOD PRESENTATION.
AND, UH, THANK YOU TO THE, UH, ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, TO, UH, UH, SEE THIS PROPOSAL TONIGHT.
UM, THIS IS ANOTHER PARKLAND PROPOSED PROJECT THAT, UM, HAS REALLY BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS.
UH, MANY RESIDENTS OF THE EAST IRVINGTON AREA HAVE APPROACHED US, UH, TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY REALLY WANTED PARKING.
UH, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE, WHEN THEY COME TO THE PARK, AS YOU KNOW, UM, LET ME PUT THIS ON HOLD.
I CAN'T TAKE THIS, UH, AS YOU KNOW, UM, ON, UH, TAXI ROAD, IT'S, IT'S A VERY BUSY ROAD, AND THERE'S BEEN AN INFLUX OF MORE CHILDREN, UH, UH, MOVING INTO THE AREA, AND THEY WANNA USE THE PARK, BUT THEY FEEL IT'S UNSAFE.
SO WE'VE HAD A LOT OF LONG DISCUSSIONS.
WE HAD MEETINGS OUT THERE, UH, A WHILE AGO.
AND, UH, MORE RECENTLY, UH, ONE OF OUR, UH, THE MEMBERS OF EAST IRVINGTON IS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE, UH, PARKS AND REC ADVISORY BOARD.
AND WE HAD AN EXPANDED CONVERSATION.
AND WHEN I WENT OUT THERE AND VISITED, WE REALIZED THAT ON THE UPPER TIER WHERE YOU SEE ON THIS MAP RIGHT NOW, IT SAYS, UH, YOU KNOW, BASKETBALL REMAIN, REMOVE THE EXISTING PLAYGROUND.
THAT EXISTING PLAYGROUND, UH, IS ALMOST 30 YEARS OLD AND, UM, IS IS ALMOST 30 YEARS OLD.
AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, IF WE'RE GONNA BUILD A NEW PLAYGROUND, I, I FELT THAT WE SHOULD BRIDGE THE TWO TOGETHER, THE PLAYGROUND AND THE PARKING LOT.
AND, UH, WE FELT THAT THE BEST LOCATION IS THE ONE THAT JOHN JUST PRESENTED.
AND AS FAR AS THE COST, WE HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, BUDGETED FOR $175,000.
AND WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, AND THE PARK AND REC ADVISORY BOARD HAS ENDORSED ALREADY TO RELEASE UP TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO COVER THE COST.
AND THE QUESTION COMES, WELL, WHERE ARE WE GONNA GET THE OTHER $75,000? AND I PLACED IT IN OUR CAPITAL BUDGET THAT THE TOWN SUPERVISOR HAS, UH, SUPPORTED AND PRESENTED IT, UH, TO THE PUBLIC.
WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING LAST WEDNESDAY, AND THERE WAS NO COMMENTS AGAINST IT.
SO WE WOULD GET THE FUNDING YOU FROM TWO SOURCES, UH, IF APPROVED TO USE, UH, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OF PARKLAND FUNDS AND $75,000 FROM THE 2022 BUDGET.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE I OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS, JERRY? UM, THIS HAS BEEN A COMMUNITY DRIVEN PROJECT AND, UH, THEY, THEY CHALLENGE US TO, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS SOME OF THE NEEDS.
AND, UH, IT'S BEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, VERY PRODUCTIVE.
UM, I ALSO HAVE, UH, HERE, UH, I SEE, UM, WE HAVE THE PRESIDENT OF THE EAST IRVINGTON CIVIC ASSOCIATION.
UH, THEY'RE FULLY AWARE OF IT, UH, AND SUPPORT IT.
WE'RE ALSO, UH, MAKING SURE EVERYONE IN THE, UH, SURROUNDING AREAS AROUND THE PARK BORDER, UH, THAT BEF ONCE WE GET A HUNDRED PERCENT APPROVAL BEFORE WE GO OUT TO BID, WE WOULD JUST MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS AWARE OF THE, UH, PROGRAM THAT IS IN PLACE.
AND JOHN, DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? NO, NO, NO, SIR.
IT CAN BE, IT CAN BE HUGH OR MR. CHAIRMAN, EITHER ONE.
UM, ANYBODY ON THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YOU, MONA, GO AHEAD.
UM, THE WAY THIS IS SET UP NOW, JERRY, IS THERE ROOM FOR FURTHER EXPANSION OF THE PARK WITH OTHER COURTS OR, UH, YOU KNOW, EXPANSION OF PARKING IF THE PARK CONT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY CONTINUE TO GROW IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE? UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND NOT TO.
AND WE HAD SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN SORT OF, YOU KNOW, A NICE LITTLE TINY OPEN SPACE AREA.
AND ORIGINALLY, UH, I WAS, UH, RECOMMENDING TO PUT THE PLAYGROUND ON THE SECOND TIER.
LIKE, IF YOU SEE FROM, IF YOU DID EVERYTHING IN THIRDS, THE UPPER TOP IS THE HIGHEST PART OF THE PITCH OF, OF THE, UH, PARK.
IT'S ONLY, IT'S UNDER ONE ACRE, IT'S ABOUT 0.9 OF AN ACRE.
YOU GOT THE UPPER TIER, THEN YOU HAVE THE MIDDLE TIER, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE FRONTIER.
AND I ORIGINALLY WANTED TO PUT THE PLAYGROUND IN THE MIDDLE TIER, AND JOHN LONGO REALLY POINTED OUT TO ME, IT'S LIKE, IT'S REALLY RESTRICTING, YOU KNOW, THE SPACE.
'CAUSE THERE IS FAMILIES THAT WILL COME THERE THAT WILL NOT WANNA USE THE PLAYGROUND.
THEY'RE JUST GOING TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THROW THE BALL AROUND OR KICK A BALL OR, YOU KNOW, DO SOME OTHER ACTIVITIES.
SO IT'S GONNA BE LIKE AN LHA AREA FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO, YEAH, THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL.
THANK YOU, JOHN, THE ORIGINAL.
THAT WAS ANOTHER OPTION TO GO WITH.
AND I REALLY LIKE THIS, UH, PROPOSAL, UH, THAT CAME IN PLACE.
UM, WE WILL ALSO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT THERE'LL BE SOME BALLARDS AROUND THE PARKING LOT.
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IT'S IMPORTANT TO PUT A, UH, CHAIN LINK FENCE FROM A DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCE, WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND, AND DO THAT.UM, AND, UH, I, I THINK THE PROGRAM'S GONNA WORK REALLY WELL FOR THE PUBLIC.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, WALTER? YEAH.
UH, THE QUESTION, MAYBE YOU, YOU ANSWERED IT IS THE FACT THAT IS THAT WOODEN FENCE BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND THE PLAYGROUND.
I FELT THAT THEY SHOULD BE, YOU SHOULD CONSIDER PUTTING BALLOTS THERE, WHICH YOU JUST MENTIONED, BUT I THINK THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE PLAN TO REALLY PREVENT, UH, A CAR, MAYBE SOMEONE HITTING ON THE ACCELERATOR BUSTING THROUGH THAT INTO THE PLAYGROUND.
SO I STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT THERE ARE BALLOTS PUT ALONG THAT, UH, OPENING.
ANYONE ELSE? I, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT, UH, I GREW UP IN THE AREA.
I HAD A LOT OF FRIENDS THAT GREW UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE USED TO FREQUENT THE PARK.
WE WOULD WALK DOWN ALONG TAXI ROAD AND IT WAS REALLY AN UN UNDERUTILIZED SPACE.
SO I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IMPROVEMENT TO BRING SOME ADDITIONAL FOLKS THERE, KIDS, UM, PARENTS WITH, WITH YOUNGER CHILDREN THAT NEED TO DRIVE THERE.
SO I, I REALLY FIND THIS TO BE A NICE IMPROVEMENT TO THE AREA AND TO THIS PARK.
I I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS, JERRY.
UM, PEOPLE DRIVE AND ALSO WALK TO THE PARK.
ARE THREE SPACES SUFFICIENT? AND IF SO, WHY? WELL, THE FIR THAT, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
UM, IN AN IDEAL WORLD, I WOULD PROBABLY LIKE TO HAVE MORE SPACES AND IT'S REALLY, UH, IT'S MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK THAN A COMMUNITY-WIDE PARK.
UM, THERE ARE A LOT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME OTHER PLAYGROUNDS IN THE AREA.
IN PARTICULAR, THE VILLAGE OF IRVINGTON, JUST AT A MASSIVE PLAYGROUND AT, UH, SNIC HUDSON PARK.
UM, AND, UH, MOST PEOPLE WILL GO DOWN THERE, BUT THERE IS SOME FAMILIES, YOU KNOW, IN WALKING DISTANCE, UM, THEY'VE SEEN THE, UH, THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC ON TAXI TO ROAD INCREASE.
AND THIS IS REALLY FOR THEM, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORS GET TOGETHER IN A CAR AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET ACCESS, YOU KNOW, TO THE PARK.
THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT IF SOMEONE IS CONFINED TO A WHEELCHAIR RIGHT NOW, WHERE THE, WHERE THE PRESENT PLAYGROUND IS, IT IS NOT ACCESSIBLE AT ALL.
I MEAN, AND SO BY HAVING IT IN THE FRONT AND HAVING THE CURVING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONE HANDICAP SPOT AND THEN THREE REGULAR, UH, SPOTS.
SO IT'LL BE FOUR, YOU KNOW, UH, PARKING, UH, SPOTS THAT'LL BE IN PLACE.
UM, I, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU COULD ADD MAYBE ONE MORE PARKING SPACE ALONG, ALONG THE FENCE THERE AT THE END.
YEAH, I, I'M HESITANT TO DO THAT 'CAUSE IT'S SUCH A SMALL PARK AND WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE AS MUCH OPEN SPACE OKAY.
SECOND QUESTION I HAVE IS ABOUT DRAINAGE.
YOU'RE ADDING SOME IMPERIAL SURFACE UP ON THE TOP THERE.
IS THERE, WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT DRAINAGE FOR THE PARKING LOT AND FOR THE PLAYGROUND? YEAH.
UM, I, I'M GONNA, JOHN, UH, LONGO HAS ALREADY, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, DRAFTED A, UH, FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, A, A DRAINAGE, UH, SYSTEM FOR IT.
AND I, I CAN TURN IT OVER TO JOHN AND LET HIM EXPLAIN IT BECAUSE HE'S, HE'S OUR PROFESSIONAL ON, I I GOT JERRY.
ARE YOU, DO YOU ALL SEE THE, UH, PRELIMINARY DRAINAGE DETAIL SHEET? YES.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR, YOUR QUESTION HERE, WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE INFRASTRUCTURE SO THAT WE CAN MAXIMIZE PLAY VALUE, MEANING SPEND THE DOLLARS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE MOST VISIBLE AND APPRECIATED AND NOT IN, YOU KNOW, UNDERGROUND STORMWATER CONVEYANCE.
UM, WE HAVE NOT SURVEYED THE PROPERTY YET, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE IN A PRELIMINARY STAGE HERE IDENTIFYING FUNDING AND, AND HOPEFULLY GARNERING SUPPORT AND APPROVAL.
HOWEVER, WE ARE GONNA TAKE A VERY, UM, BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE APPROACH TO THIS AND, AND, AND UNDERUTILIZED DRAINAGE, IF YOU WILL.
SO HAVE ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A 2,700 SQUARE FOOT PARKING LOT, WHICH IS GONNA YIELD MAYBE 700 CUBIC FEET OF, OF STORMWATER RUNOFF IN A THREE INCH STORM.
SO WHAT WE, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS USE, UM, INFILTRATION TRENCHING WHERE WE CAN, AND AGAIN, WE'LL, WE'RE GONNA GET BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND DO SOME SURVEYING AND SEE WHERE THIS BEST WORKS.
BUT THESE ARE, UM, TYPICAL DRAINAGE DETAILS THAT WHERE WE WOULD CAPTURE THE RUNOFF OFF OF THE PAVEMENT INTO A OPEN GRAVEL, UH, TRENCH, IF YOU WILL.
AND THEN CONVEY THAT EITHER TO A DRY SWALE OR A WET SWALE.
AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO WHICH ONE OF THOSE IT WOULD BE YET UNTIL WE PHYSICALLY SEE SOIL CONDITIONS AND DO THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND THEN WE WOULD LET THE WATER FIND ITS NATURAL COURSE BACK DOWN AS THE ROAD, THE ROAD FLOWS FROM THE PARK BACK DOWNHILL.
UM, AS, AS THE WATER DOES NOW WHEN IT RAINS, IT JUST OVER, OVER OVERLAND FLOWS, IF YOU WILL, DOWN THE TERRACES AND OUT TO THE ROAD.
AT LEAST THIS GIVES UP, GIVES US AN
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OPPORTUNITY.'CAUSE WITH IMPERVIOUS SURFACES, WE'RE INTENSIFYING THE, UH, THE, UM, THE RUNOFF VALUE THERE.
SO WE'LL CAPTURE IT, UH, STORE, TREAT IT IF WE CAN, AND THEN WE'LL LET IT GO BACK TO WHERE IT WOULD'VE GONE BEFORE WE CAME AND DID ANYTHING TO THE, TO THE PARK.
AND YOU'LL BE DOING PER PERCOLATION TESTS AS YOU GO FORWARD, I ASSUME, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT WE SURE WILL.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHETHER IF THERE'S ROCK THERE OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND WE WILL OBVIOUSLY BE MALLEABLE AND, AND CHANGE OUR DIRECTION AS THE SITE DICTATES TO US.
THE FINAL QUESTION, JERRY'S, ABOUT THE BUDGET.
UM, WHAT DOES THIS LEAVE YOU FOR THE YEAR IN, IN DIRECT FUND? UM, I, WE HAVE, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S RIGHT NOW LIKE OVER $400,000 IN IT.
IF YOU CAN MINIMIZE IT, UM, JOHN THE SCREEN, THEN I CAN PULL UP MY SPREADSHEET.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TAKE THAT DOWN, JOHN.
LET ME HAVE, SO BASICALLY RIGHT NOW I HAVE, UH, $423,000 IN THE ACCOUNT.
UM, WE'VE ALREADY ALLOCATED $125,000 FOR THE EAST RUM BROOK PARK PICKLEBALL COURTS, AND I'VE VERBALLY COMMITTED, SO I DON'T WANT TO, EVEN THOUGH IT HASN'T BEEN TOUCHED, IT'S, IT'S MORE, IT'S $75,000 FOR THE NATURE CENTER.
THERE'S A PROJECT WE TALKED ABOUT, BUT THEY, THEY, FOR THE LAST, FOR A WHILE, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN READY FOR IT.
SO, UM, IF YOU INCLUDE THAT $75,000, UM, THAT WILL GIVE US ABOUT $300,000 REMAINING.
SO AFTER THIS IT, THE BALANCE WOULD BE ABOUT $200,000.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS VOTE ON A RECOMMENDATION, I BELIEVE, TO THE TOM BOARD.
AARON, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
HEY, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND POSITIVELY THIS PROJECT TO THE TOM BOARD? WELL, BEFORE WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION? OKAY.
WELL, WE MAY, UH, SOMETHING'S ON THE TABLE.
IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT, GO AHEAD.
THAT WE MAKE SURE IN OUR RECOMMEND, I, I, I STRONGLY SUPPORT THAT.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
BUT IN OUR RECOMMENDATION, WE MAKE NOTE THAT THE FINAL DETAIL OF THE DRAINAGE HAS TO BE, YOU KNOW, APPROVED AND, AND TO THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF, UH, THE PUBLIC WORKS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE WE SHOULD PUT IN THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DRAINAGE DESIGN IS ACCEPTABLE TO THE TOWN.
I MEAN, BASICALLY GE IT'S JUST, IT'S SIMILAR TO WHEN WE DO ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT, JERRY, WHERE, WHERE THE TOWN SAYS WHEN YOU DO A DEVELOPMENT, THERE SHOULD BE LESS RUNOFF THAN BEFORE THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WAS THE GOAL.
JOHN, AM I CORRECT THAT YOU'RE GOING FOR ANYWAY? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
I WILL THEN RE
THEY ALLOCATED THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THIS PROJECT.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, WALTER? SECOND.
YOU MADE THE MOTION OR YOU, YOU NO, I'M ENTERTAINING IT.
WE'RE DOING IT BACKWARDS TODAY.
ALL OPPOSED, WE'RE SECONDING THEN DOING
JERRY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, UH, GETTING UP SO EARLY TO COME IN AT SIX 30.
AND, UH,
IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO TALK TO YOU GUYS.
UM, AARON, OUR, OUR, UH, TWO PUBLIC HEARING PEOPLE, UH, HERE ALREADY.
BARBARA, TELL US WHEN YOU'RE READY TO GO.
BARBARA'S, SHE'S ALWAYS READY TO GO, BUT SHE KNOWS THE FASTER WE START, THE QUICKER SHE GETS OUTTA HERE.
THAT'S WHAT THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT.
SO, UM, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS A PROBLEM, LET'S GO RIGHT INTO THE PUBLIC HEAR HEARINGS.
EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? OKAY.
UM, BY THE WAY, DO ME A FAVOR.
IF YOU USE THE REACTION HAND BUTTON, THEN PUT UP YOUR HAND.
I DON'T WANNA MISS YOU WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING.
UH, WE'RE GONNA GO ON A PUBLIC HEARING NOW.
AARON, CALL THE ROLL FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE.
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MR. SIMON.AND WE JUST NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT BOARD MEMBER IZED NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
UM, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF, UH, OUR PLANNING BOARD MEETING FOR TONIGHT.
AND WHY DON'T YOU DESCRIBE THE PROJECT AND WHAT, WHAT, UH, DECISIONS WE HAVE TO MAKE ON THIS PROJECT TO THE PUB PUBLIC, PLEASE.
SO, AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ MENTIONED, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 17.
JOHN BOAI FOR A PROJECT LOCATED AT 28 FAITH LANE, P O ARDSLEY.
IN THE P U D PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, THE APPLICANT SEEKS PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF AN IN-GROUND POOL AND PATIO AREA TO THE REAR OF AN EXISTING ONSITE RESIDENCE.
THE POOL AREA WOULD RESULT IN DISTURBANCE TO REGULATED STEEP SLOPES AND INVOLVE THE CONSTRUCTION OF TIERED RETAINING WALLS, WHICH ARE PROPOSED TO BE LANDSCAPED.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES APPROXIMATELY 440 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO STEEP SLOPES AND APPROXIMATELY 1,443 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO VERY STEEP SLOPES.
THOSE CATEGORIZED AS 25 TO 35% PROJECT REQUIRES APPROXIMATELY 280 CUBIC YARDS OF EXCAVATION AND 416 CUBIC YARDS OF IMPORTED FILL REQUIRING A FILL PERMIT FROM THE TOWN ENGINEER PROJECT INVOLVES THE PROPOSED REMOVAL OF TWO REGULATED TREES, AND THE APPLICANT IS PREPARED A LANDSCAPING PLAN PROVIDING FOR THE PLANTING OF EIGHT NEW TREES AS REPLACEMENT.
THIS PROJECT WAS LAST DISCUSSED AS PART OF A WORK SESSION ON FEBRUARY 16TH.
THE PROPOSED ACTION QUALIFIES AS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER, SO THE BOARD MAY WISH TO VOTE ON THAT AT THIS TIME.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS? A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER.
I DON'T KNOW IF MICHAEL'S HERE.
UH, MICHAEL MAY BE AWAY FROM HIS DESK.
WE CAN CALL, COUNT THAT AS AN ABSTENTION, I GUESS.
COUNT IT AS AN ABSTENTION THEN, THEN HE'S JUST NOT AT HIS DESK.
ALL BUT IT, IT CARRIES AS A TYPE TWO ACTION.
AND THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE IS PRESENT THIS EVENING OR FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT, AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO MR. DANIEL SHERMAN.
HI, UH, MY NAME'S DAN SHERMAN, LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, UH, REPRESENTING ALBERT AND LINDA JAMBA, 28 FAITH LANE, WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING RETAINING WALLS IN A POOL IN A STEEP SLOPE AREA.
AND AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, WE REVIEWED THE PLAN AND WE WERE ASKED TO PREPARE SOME PHOTOS AND ON OUR A RENDERING TO SHOW WHAT THE RETAINING WALLS WOULD LOOK LIKE AND SUPPLY A PHOTOGRAPH OF, OR A SAMPLE OF WHAT THE BLOCK WALLS WOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO IF I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN, I WILL, I PUT IT TOGETHER ON ONE PAGE.
UM, MAYBE YOU'VE SEEN IT ALREADY, BUT I'D LIKE TO SHARE IT WITH YOU.
AND AARON, YOU CAN TELL ME IF I SHOULD ALSO START AT THE BEGINNING AND SHOW THE ORIGINAL PLAN, BUT RIGHT NOW I WAS GONNA SHOW, UH, THE PICTURES AND THE WALLS.
SO RIGHT NOW, STANDING AT THE FAR NORTH CORNER, AT THAT CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, END OF THE PROPERTY, THERE'S AN EXISTING RETAINING WALL THAT WILL BE, UH, REMOVED WHEN WE FILL THIS AREA IN.
BUT THIS SHOWS THE CONSERVATION AREA TO THE LEFT, AND THEN IT THAT BEGINS OUR PROPERTY WHERE IT'S JUST KIND OF LOW WEEDS, ENTANGLED BINDS.
THEN THERE'S A RETAINING WALL THAT'S EXISTING THAT WILL BE REMOVED, AND THEN THE SLOPING LAWN.
AND IT COMES UP TO THE HOUSE WITH THE, THE NEWLY RECONSTRUCTED DECK OR A BRAND NEW DECK.
AND, UM, SO THE WALLS ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE THESE TERRACES.
THERE'S SIX FEET EACH, AND THERE ARE THREE OF THEM.
AND ALL TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, IT ADDS UP TO THE FULL 18 FOOT HEIGHT, BUT THERE'S THREE SEPARATE WALLS, SIX
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FEET EACH, AND WE'VE SPACED THEM 11 FEET APART.UM, IT KIND OF TAKES UP ALL THE SPACE WE'RE GAINING, BUT IT GIVES THEM WHAT THEY NEED FOR THE POOL.
AND THE REASON THEY'RE 11 FEET APART IS BECAUSE THERE'S A, FOR A SIX FOOT HIGH WALL.
OUR ENGINEER, LA LARRY NARDIA, UH, NEEDS THE GEO TEXTILE MEMBRANE TO SUPPORT THESE BLOCK WALLS THAT ARE EFFICIENT TO BUILD.
SO, UM, THAT'S THE WAY THE WALLS WILL LOOK.
RENDERINGS ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
AND THEN ON THE SITE WHEN IT WAS BUILT, UH, AS A SUBDIVISION THAT A LOT OF THE HOMES ARE BUILT AT THE SAME TIME.
THE WALLS WERE ALL MADE OF THESE TECO BLOCK KIND OF STACKED WALLS.
THEY CAN BE MADE CALLED LIBERTY STONE OR CAMBRIDGE BLOCK, BUT THEY'RE LOCKED TOGETHER WALLS.
AND THESE ARE THE ONES THAT EVERY FIVE OR SIX COURSES OF BLOCK, IT NEEDS ITS GEOTEXTILE MEMBRANE TO GO BACK.
AND, UM, THAT'S THE DESIGN OF THESE WALLS.
AND THEY DON'T HAVE DEEP FOOTINGS, BUT THE GEOTEXTILE MEMBRANE THAT GOES BACK IS HELD BY THE WEIGHT OF THE SOIL ABOVE IT.
WE HAVE WALLS LIKE THIS, A 28 FAITH LANE, AND ALL ALONG THE EDGE OF THE HOMES THAT ARE SLOPING DOWN TOWARDS THIS CONSERVATION EASEMENT ALL HAVE THIS SAME WALL.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
THESE ARE AFTER ALL THE YEARS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIRTY, BUT IT'S A KIND OF A NATURAL EARTH TONE, SORT OF A BEIGE GRAY WALL.
AND THIS MATERIAL'S STILL AVAILABLE, SO IT'LL BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S SHOWN AND SEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
THE OTHER QUESTION, UM, WAS WHERE WOULD THE WATER DRAW DOWN BE PUT TO? AND SO, UH, BADLY CONSTRUCTED SENTENCE, BUT THERE'S A STORE, A SEWER MANHOLE IN THE RIGHT, EASEMENT RIGHT UP FRONT.
AND WE WILL OF COURSE, SUPPLY THIS INFORMATION TO THE BUILDING AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR REVIEW.
BUT THIS IS WHAT WE DO IN SCARSDALE.
IT'S REQUIRED THAT WATER DRAW DOWN FROM THE POOL AT THE END OF THE SEASON GETS PUMPED WITH A SUM PUMP AND A HOSE TO A SANITARY SEWER, NOT LET TO FLOW OUT TO THE STREET OR OVERLAND OR INTO ANY STORMWATER SEWER, EVEN THOUGH THE CHLORINE, UM, BECOMES INACTIVE VERY QUICKLY.
THE CHLORINE POOL, THEY WANT IT, IT'S GENERALLY ACCEPTED IN MOST TOWNS TO GO TO A STORM, A SANITARY SEWER.
SO WE'LL COORDINATE THIS WITH, UH, GREENBERG'S ENGINEERING, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE SHOWED IT INTO THE SANITARY SEW MANHOLE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE SHOWED.
SHOULD I REVIEW THE OVERALL PLAN AGAIN, AARON? I THINK IF YOU COULD, THAT'D BE HELPFUL.
UM, AND WHILE YOU'RE PULLING THAT UP, MR. SHERMAN, I JUST WANTED TO INDICATE THAT YES, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON PUTTING THE WATER INTO THE STORM SEWER, SO I THINK THE SANITARY IS GONNA BE JUST FINE, BUT WE'LL COORDINATE THAT WITH OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND BUREAU OF OF ENGINEERING, AS YOU MENTIONED, TO BE COMPLETELY FRANK, UM, MOST TIMES IT GOES INTO THE CLEAN OUT THAT'S FOR THAT PARTICULAR HOUSE, WHICH IS THIS HOUSE.
IN THIS CASE, THERE'S A SEWER EASEMENT THAT GOES RIGHT ACROSS THEIR FRONT YARD.
SO I DIRECTED IT TO A, A MANHOLE THAT'S IN, IN THEIR YARD, BUT IT ISN'T THE HOUSE'S CLEAN OUT.
SO AS THEY WORK WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, I'LL LOCATE THE CLEAN OUT IF THEY WOULD WISH THAT I DON'T DIRECT IT TO A STORM MANHOLE.
UM, SO I JUST THOUGHT I'D SHARE THAT, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT IT TO THE RIGHT PLACE.
SO, UH, THIS IS THE, THE POOL THAT'S PROPOSED SHARE THE 20 BY 40.
AND IT, UH, THESE ARE THE THREE RETAINING WALLS, SIX FEET EACH, AND THEY ALL STAY OUTSIDE OF THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT LINE.
AND, UM, THE TREES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED ARE JUST THESE REALLY RATTY, UM, HEMLOCKS THAT ARE ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
THEY WERE PUT YEARS AGO AS A SCREEN, BUT THEY'VE SORT OF OUTLIVED THEIR USEFULNESS.
SO, AND I'M REMOVING JUST THE, UM, WEST EASTERN THREE TO, UM, BE ABLE TO BUILD THESE WALLS.
UM, BUT THEY'RE KIND OF RATTY AND WE'RE PROPOSING NEW TREES THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE NATIVE.
AND, UM, THERE'S, UH, MAGNOLIA AND A DOGWOOD AND THEY'RE FURTHER UP THAT'S NOT ON THIS PLAN, BUT THEY'RE IN THIS MORE OPEN LAWN AREA ON THIS UNUSUALLY SHAPED TRIANGULAR LOT.
AND WE ALSO HAVE A CLUSTER OF TREES, HAWTHORNS AND OUR ES THAT ARE IN THE TERRACES TO POPULATE THE TERRACES WITH FOLIAGE.
THE POOL FILTER IS LOCATED, UM, TIED TO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE BY THE AIR CONDITIONERS.
I THINK MR. SHERMAN, THE OTHER THING THAT CAME UP RELATED TO FENCING WITH RESPECT TO THE WALL OR WALLS.
WE SHOW A FENCE ALONG THE TOP OF THE WALL FOR SAFETY REALLY, BUT IT BECOMES THE POOL FENCE.
IN MANY CASES, THE WALLS ARE IN EXCESS OF THE NEW YORK STATE AND GREENBURG POOL CODE HEIGHT.
'CAUSE THERE'S SIX FEET WHERE ONLY FOUR IS REQUIRED.
BUT ON THE TOP ONE, WE STILL PUT A FENCE SO PEOPLE DON'T FALL OFF IT.
UM, AND SO WE MEET CODE WITH THE FENCING, AND THEN THE FENCING WRAPS AROUND FURTHER AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN AND THEN CLOSES OFF AT THIS RETAINING LAW.
ARE THERE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? UM,
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NO.HOW ABOUT THE PUBLIC? DO WE HAVE ANYBODY, UH, MR. SCHMIDT? WE DO HAVE MR. OH, MR. BODEN SHAKING HIS HEAD.
JUST MR. BODEN, UNLESS THERE'S ANYONE THAT CAME ON THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK NOW.
UM, THEN I WOULD RECOMMEND A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN TILL WHEN AARON MARCH 9TH TILL MARCH 9TH.
MAY I HAVE THAT MOTION PLEASE? SO MOVED.
ALL RIGHT, MR. SHERMAN, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, OUR NEXT MEETING IS ON MONDAY, UH, MARCH 14TH.
SO IT'S NOT QUITE TWO WEEKS FROM TONIGHT.
AND THE BOARD WILL CONSIDER A DECISION THAT EVENING.
DO I NEED TO ATTEND THAT MEETING? YOU DON'T, YOU'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO ATTEND.
UM, YOU MAY, IF YOU WISH, WE'LL SEND YOU THE LINK.
I THINK I HAVE AN, A CONFLICT, BUT I'M NOT SURE, BUT THAT'S GREAT.
THAT'S BASICALLY WHEN WE'RE JUST, WE GO OVER OUR APPROVAL LETTER, THAT'S WHAT WE, WE DO AT THAT MEETING.
SO AARON, I HAVE TIME IN THE MEANTIME TO COORDINATE THAT SANITARY SEWER QUESTION.
OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT WEEK.
MR. MR. SHERMAN, ONE OTHER THING, UM, EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT AT THE MEETING, WE POST THE PROPOSED, UM, OPINION PRIOR TO THE MEETING AS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW.
SO IT WILL BE UP ON THE WEBSITE, AND I'M SURE AARON IS ABLE TO GET THAT TO YOU AS WELL.
WE CAN TOUCH BASE ON THAT PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
TONIGHT IS PB 2136 METROPOLIS COUNTRY CLUB AT TWO EIGHTY NINE DOBS BURY ROAD.
IT'S FOR A, UH, PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
ANYTHING ELSE, AARON, BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO MS. GARRIS? I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK, UM, THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD IS THAT, UH, THE, THIS PROJECT ALSO AS, AS THE PRIOR PROJECT, QUALIFIES AS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER.
SO IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT VOTE AT THIS TIME, YOU MAY DO SO.
CAN WE HAVE A MOTION BEFORE WE HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? FROM SOMEBODY TO MAKE IT A TYPE TWO ACTION.
TAKE A MOTION THAT THIS IS CLASSIFIED AS A TYPE TWO ACTION.
UH, CAN I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND.
ALL OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY.
MS. GARRIS, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
IT'S MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING.
ON BEHALF OF METROPOLIS COUNTRY CLUB, AS YOU KNOW, WE WERE BEFORE YOU LAST MONTH IN CONNECTION WITH OUR APPLICATIONS FOR A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT IN CONNECTION WITH SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE POOL AREA ON THE PROPERTY.
ALSO, JOINING ME THIS EVENING, ZACH PEARSON, OUR SITE ENGINEER FROM INSIGHT ENGINEERING.
UM, WE WENT THROUGH A FULL PRESENTATION WITH YOU LAST MONTH ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE.
AS WE DISCUSSED WITH YOU LAST MONTH, UM, THE RENOVATIONS TO THE POOL AREA HAVE BEEN EXPANDED SLIGHTLY TO INCLUDE SOME OF THE, UH, ADJACENT DINING TERRACE IN THE PLAYGROUND AREA.
UM, ZACH CAN PUT UP A DRAWING AND SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, BUT AS SHOWN IN MORE DETAIL ON THE PLANS THAT WE SUBMITTED TO YOU, THE ASSOCIATED GRADING IN THE AREA OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, ALTHOUGH MINIMAL, IS WITHIN AREAS OF STEEP SLOPES, UH, WHICH REQUIRE A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO WE'RE SEEKING THAT STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, UH, TO PERMIT THE DISTURBANCE OF THOSE STEEP SLOPES.
IT'S ABOUT, UH, 1300 SQUARE FEET OF STEEP SLOPES OF 400 SQUARE FEET OF VERY STEEP SLOPES, AND ABOUT 650 SQUARE FEET OF EXCESSIVELY STEEP SLOPES.
THE DISTURBANCES IN AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY DISTURBED, UH, WITH IMPROVEMENTS IN LANDSCAPING THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
UM, BUT BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY OF THE POOL AND THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS, THIS AREA OF DISTURBANCE IS UNAVOIDABLE.
SO WE'VE LIMITED THAT DISTURBANCE TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PRACTICABLE.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S IT'S GRADING THAT'S IN CONNECTION WITH THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, AND WE'RE ALSO, UH, SEEKING A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT FROM YOU FOR THE REMOVAL OF ONE TREE.
WE HAD INITIALLY TALKED ABOUT THE
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REMOVAL OF MORE, BUT I THINK IT'S DOWN TO ONE TREE.AND AS PART OF THE PACKAGE THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED TO YOU, THERE IS A FAIRLY EXTENSIVE LANDSCAPING PLANNING, INCLUDING THE REPLACEMENT OF VALUE OF THAT TREE THAT WE'RE REMOVING PLUS SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.
SO I DON'T WANNA WASTE, UM, MORE OF YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
I'D LIKE ZACH TO JUST SHOW YOU THE PLAN, AND THEN IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM FOR YOU.
UH, AND THEN TURN IT BACK TO YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR, UM, OPENING THE HEARING TO THE PUBLIC.
UH, GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, ZACH PEARSON WITH INSIDE ENGINEERING, UH, PERMISSION TO SHARE MY SCREEN.
CAN EVERYBODY SEE THAT? JUST COMING UP NOW.
UH, THIS IS, UH, SEE HERE, THIS IS A METROPOLIS COUNTRY CLUB.
UH, THE EXISTING POOL IS LOCATED RIGHT IN THIS GENERAL REGION HERE, JUST TO THE NORTH OF THE EXISTING CLUBHOUSE.
UM, AS, AS JANET SAID, UM, THE, THIS IS THE CURRENT POOL AREA HERE, WE'RE PROPOSING TO, UM, DISTURB SOME STEEP SLOPES IN THIS GENERAL REGION HERE.
UM, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO SHOW YOU GUYS THE, UH, STEEP SLOPES.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THIS IS THE, THE EXISTING POOL, YOU KNOW, UH, CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THIS AREA HERE IS THE AREA OF STEEP SLOPES THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, THE EXISTING KITTY POOL WAS, WAS JUST TO THE NORTH, UM, OF THAT, OF THAT AREA OF STEEP SLOPES.
AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS OF THE POOL, THE CLUB IS LOOKING TO MOVE THAT, UM, THE PLAYGROUND AREA FROM THIS LOWER AREA KIND OF UP HERE ADJACENT TO THE KITTY POOL AND THE MAIN POOL AREA.
SO THIS IS THE AREA OF STEEP SLOPES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, AND THEN AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE'RE PROPOSING SOME LANDSCAPING.
AS JANET MENTIONED, UH, THERE'S AN EXISTING TREE THAT'S GONNA BE REMOVED RIGHT IN THIS GENERAL REGION.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO PLANT TWO NEW TREES HERE AND PROVIDE SCREENING, UH, BETWEEN THE EXISTING POOL FACILITY, UH, AND THE DRIVING RANGE.
COULD YOU ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT? SURE THING, MR. COMPARISON, JUST SO WE CAN SEE THINGS IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.
SO SCREENING HERE, TWO PROPOSED TREES.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS, THIS PLAYGROUND AREA, YOU KNOW, WHICH WAS DOWN HERE, IS NOW MOVING UP ADJACENT TO THE PATIO, ADJACENT TO THE KITTY POOL FOR CONVENIENCE FOR THE MEMBERS.
UM, AND WE'RE ESSENTIALLY FILLING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PUSHING THAT SLOPE OUT A LITTLE BIT AND JUST GETTING A, A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A PAD AREA UP AROUND THE POOL.
I CAN ADD THAT, UH, THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATION'S BEEN REVIEWED BY THE TOWN FORESTRY OFFICER AND EVERYTHING'S BEEN FOUND TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TOWN TREE ORDINANCE.
WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS AT THIS TIME? NO.
MR. SIMON, UM, EXCUSE ME FOR ONE SECOND.
AARON, COULD YOU NOT, WOULD YOU UNDISABLED MY CHAT PLEASE? I CAN'T, I CAN'T RESPOND TO YOU.
IS THERE, IS THERE A CROSS SECTION AVAILABLE? BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS EASIER WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH STEEP SLOPE.
IF YOU SEE THE, SEE THE CROSS SECTION, YOU SEE THE LAND AS IS, AND THEN YOU SEE THE, UM, THE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND YOU COULD, RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE TO LOOK, GO BACK TO THE MAIN, UH, LOT UP TO THE MAIN, UH, PLAN.
AND YOU HAVE TO READ 232 FEET THREE, AND YOU HAVE TO TRY TO VISUALIZE THAT IN YOUR HEAD SLOW, WHERE IF YOU HAVE A CROSS SECTION, YOU COULD JUST SEE THAT IS A CROSS SECTION AVAILABLE TO JUST MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC TO SEE WHAT IS BEING DONE.
YEAH, WE, WE DID NOT PREPARE A CROSS SECTION.
I CAN CAN PULL THE STEEP SLOPES PLAN UP TO WALK YOU THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY SIMPLE.
IF, IF YOU'LL LET ME, IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME YEAH, THAT'D BE RIGHT AHEAD.
OR, OR ZACH, I DON'T KNOW IF THE PICTURES WILL HELP.
YEAH, I CAN, I CAN, I CAN OPEN PICTURES AS WELL.
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SO ZOOMING IN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN EXISTING LIKE 30 CONTOUR HERE.I WILL OPEN THE PICTURES IN A SECOND.
UH, THERE'S AN EXISTING 30 CONTOUR HERE.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE HERE THIS, THIS GENERALLY SLOPES UP, YOU KNOW, TWO, FOUR, ABOUT SIX FEET HERE.
SO YOU HAVE ABOUT SIX FOOT GRADE CHANGE IN THIS AREA.
THE STEEP SLOPES ARE, AGAIN, AS, AS JANET MENTIONED, THIS WAS A MANUFACTURED SLOPE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE POOL WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED.
UM, AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS, YOU KNOW, ELIMINATE THE STEEPNESS HERE AND KIND OF PUSH OUT THE FILL AND FEATHER IT IN THIS LOCATION.
SO THIS IS A PICTURE OF, OF, YOU KNOW, THE LOWER AREA DOWN BELOW WHERE THE KITTY POOL WAS.
YOU KNOW, THEY CAN SEE THE STEEP SLOPE IS WELL, I, I, I COULD SEE THAT.
I COULD SEE THAT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT, UH, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE IT.
BUT THE, I, YEAH, WE DID NOT PROVIDE A YEAH.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE WORK WALTER IS, UM, IS, IS SO MINOR IN NATURE.
IT'S, IT'S A VERY SMALL AREA AND IT'S A VERY SMALL, UM, AMOUNT OF GRADING AND, AND PROJECT.
I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTION, BUT I THINK JUST AS A GENERAL RULE, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD SHOULD ASK APPLICANTS FOR A CROSS SECTION WHEN WE ARE DEALING WITH STEEP SLOPE, BUT WELL, THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION THAT YOU PROVIDED, WALTER.
WALTER, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE ANSWER THAT YOU'VE GOT? AND THAT'S MY QUESTION.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S A SMALL, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
SO, SO THE FACT THAT I DON'T SEE IT IS OKAY, BUT I THINK IN GENERAL IT'LL BE GOOD.
YEAH, WE CAN, UM, IF THE BOARD WANTS, WE CAN ASK, UM, ASK THE APPLICANT DURING THE COMMON PERIOD TO EITHER PROVIDE, UH, THOSE CROSS SECTIONS OR PHOTOGRAPHS AND THAT MAY HELP THE BOARD.
UM, AND AS LONG AS THEY'RE AVAILABLE THAT THE PUBLIC CAN SEE PRIOR TO THE CLOSE OF THE PUBLIC, UH, TO THE COMMENT PERIOD, THAT MAY BE HELPFUL.
IS THAT, UH, MS. GARRIS, HAS THAT A DIFFICULT THING TO DO OR IS IT WORTH DOING? I, WELL, I THINK, I THINK YOU NEED TO SPEAK TO ZACH ABOUT WHETHER, BUT I THINK THAT I, I HONESTLY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID, IT'S, IT'S REALLY A VERY SMALL AREA AND IT'S A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF GRADING.
I WOULD THINK WOULD A PHOTO, UNLESS THERE'S AN OBJECTION, I'M SORRY, DAVID, GO AHEAD.
I SAID WOULD A, WOULD, UH, WOULD A PHOTOGRAPH, UH, DO PHOTOGRAPH? WE HAVE, WE, WE DID SUBMIT A COUPLE OF PHOTOGRAPHS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF, IF, IF, IF ZACH HAS 'EM AVAILABLE.
UM, YEAH, I DO YOU WANT ME TO OPEN 'EM AGAIN? YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, ZACH.
AND SO, SO BASICALLY WHAT IT AMOUNTS TO IS THE TOP OF THAT, THERE'S A POOL DECK, AND AT THE TOP OF THAT POOL DECK, WE'RE SORT OF EXTENDING THE FLAT AREA OUT A LITTLE BIT TO EXTEND THAT POOL DECK.
AND THAT'S WHERE THAT GRADING COMES IN.
SO WE'RE JUST EXTENDING THE AREA OF THAT POOL DECK AND DOING SOME GRADING ALONG THAT AREA, UM, TO CREATE THAT ADDITIONAL FLAT AREA AT THE TOP.
THAT, THAT GRAY CHANGE IS RIGHT IN, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE WITH THE ANGLE, BUT THAT GRAY CHANGE IS REALLY RIGHT IN THROUGH HERE.
WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T SEE IT, ZACH.
I CAN'T SEE A CURSOR THAT'S, SEE, WE'RE JUST SEEING THE PLAN FROM SCREEN, I THINK.
I, I'D RATHER, IRA, I'D RATHER NOT MAKE A BIG ISSUE OF THIS BECAUSE IT'S SO GRADUAL AND THERE YOU GO.
UH, SO I THINK THIS IS SUFFICIENT BECAUSE THIS IS A, A MINOR CASE.
SO MY POINT WAS, YOU KNOW, IN CASES WHERE WE HAVE A MORE SEVERE, UH, SLOPE, WE SHOULD GET CROSS-SECTION.
MR. SCHMIDT, I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD THAT, UM, IN MANY CASES WE HAVE ASKED FOR THEM AND THE DECISION WAS MADE DUE TO THE MINOR AMOUNT OF WORK CENTRALIZED WITHIN, UH, A LARGE SITE.
SO THIS ISN'T IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS.
IT'S CENTERED WITHIN 100 ACRE SITE.
WE DECIDED THAT WE THOUGHT IT WASN'T ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY SINCE IT WASN'T PREPARED, UH, AHEAD OF TIME.
IS THERE, THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS? THERE IS NOT.
UH, MR. BOWMAN INDICATED HE'S DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS.
AND THERE'S NOBODY ELSE FROM THE BOARD THAT HAS ANY QUESTIONS, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE
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PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL MARCH 9TH, CORRECT.DON'T EVERYBODY SPEAK AT ONCE.
UH, MR. UH, SNAGS, I THINK SECONDED IT.
SO, MS. GARRIS, WE'LL AT OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS ON MARCH, MARCH 14TH, WE'LL WE'LL HAVE THE DECISION FOR YOU.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
WE APPRECIATE IT AND I WISH YOU A GOOD EVENING.
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I HEARD WALTER AND SOMEBODY ELSE.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, WE'RE GOING BACK INTO WORK SESSION.
I TOLD YOU TO BE EASY EVENING FOR YOU.
OKAY, NOW, NOW THE, UH, WE'VE GOT THREE MORE CASES TONIGHT.
THE NEXT TWO BOTH INVOLVED BESS AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, SINCE THE MAJORITY OF THOSE TWO CASES, THE TWO BEST CASES, IT, THE ISSUES ARE THE SAME WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SIGHTING OF THE ACTUAL, UH, FACILITY.
AND IF THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO BRING UP THAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT THEM.
AND THERE IS A ONE HAS A, A, UH, SOLAR, SOLAR PANEL ATTACHED.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE ISSUES REGARDING THE APPROVAL, I THINK IT'S, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.
AND THE COMMENT THAT WE GOT FROM THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT, WERE ABOUT THE SAME ON BOTH OF 'EM.
SO WE'RE GONNA COMBINE THOSE TWO AND DISCUSS THEM TOGETHER.
'CAUSE WHATEVER PLANS THAT WE NEED, EMERGENCY PLANS OR WHATEVER, REALLY APPLY TO TO TO BOTH OF THEM.
BEFORE WE GET STARTED ON THIS THOUGH, I WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND AND WE ACTUALLY, IT'S GOOD 'CAUSE WE HAVE A COUPLE EXTRA MINUTES.
I WAS RUNNING ABOUT, UH, 10 MINUTES AHEAD OF SCHEDULE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD THING.
UM, JUST FOR PEOPLE IN THE, IN THE PUBLIC WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR, WHAT A BEST IS, IT'S NOT A COW, IT IS A SERIES OF BATTERIES.
IMAGINE IN, IN YOUR COMPUTER, IN YOUR CELL PHONE, IF YOU HAVE AN ELECTRIC CAR, IF YOU HAVE AN ELECTRIC SCOOTER, THEY ALL HAVE A, A LITHIUM ION BATTERY IN, IN THEM.
THOSE ARE THE MOST EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE BATTERIES ON THE MARKETPLACE TODAY.
WHAT A BEST IS, IS A SERIES OF THOSE BATTERIES THAT, THAT ARE PUT TOGETHER AND USED TO STORE ENERGY IN MANY CASES ARE USED IN TANDEM WITH A SOLAR, UH, SOLAR UH, FIELD, OR A WIND, WIND FIELD.
BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SUNNY EVERY DAY.
AT LEAST NOT HERE ONLY IN CLEVELAND AS WE KNOW.
'CAUSE IT'S SUNNY EVERY DAY AND IT'S NOT WINDY EVERY DAY.
SO THERE ARE DAYS THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT BACKUP TO TO, TO THE GREEN ENERGY.
IN THIS CASE, ONE, ONE OF THEM IS ATTACHED TO SOLAR, THE OTHER ONE ISN'T.
UM, AND THERE ARE ALSO CASES WHERE THEY'RE USED SEPARATELY FROM THAT FOR LOTS OF REASONS.
ONE IS A WAY OF BA UH, BACKING UP POWER.
IF THERE'S, THERE IS A, A SHORT TERM OUTAGE, THEY, THEY GENERALLY, THE POWER IN THERE WILL LAST MAYBE 24 HOURS.
IT'S CA IMAGINE IT LIKE YOUR, IF YOU HAVE A BATTERY BACKUP FOR COMPUTER, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THAT.
OKAY? THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT'S FOR.
UM, THESE THINGS ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO THE FUTURE OF, UH, THE ELECTRICAL GRID IN, IN THE, IN THE WORLD.
HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, NOT NECESSARILY 'CAUSE THE GREEN 'CAUSE IN AND OF THEMSELVES ARE NOT GREEN.
THEY, THEY FACILITATE GREEN TECHNOLOGY LIKE SOLAR AND WIND, BUT IN AND OF THEMSELVES ARE NOT GREEN.
BUT THEY ALSO SERVE THE PER VERSUS OF BEING A BACKUP AND ALSO BE ABLE TO SMOOTH OUT THE PEAKS AND VALLEYS OF, UH, ENERGY.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE PEAK PERIODS DURING THE DAY, WHEREAS A LOT OF ENERGY USED IN THE NIGHT.
SO IT'S WHAT, UH, ALSO THESE COULD BE USED FOR IS IT TAKES ENERGY OFF WHEN, WHEN THE, THE DEMAND IS LOW, PUTS IT BACK INTO THE GRID WHEN DEMAND IS HIGH.
UM, IT'S A WAY OF ACTUALLY THEM MAKING A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY.
BUT IT'S ALSO A WAY OF SMOOTHING OUT THE SYSTEM.
AND IT GOES INTO THIS THING CALLED NYSSA, I THINK IS WHAT IT'S CALLED.
I COULDN'T REMEMBER IT THE LAST TIME.
IT WAS NYSSA, WHICH IS, IS THIS GIANT MARKETPLACE FOR ALL OF NEW YORK STATE AND WHERE MOST OF THE MUNICIPALITIES AND THE ELECTRIC COMPANIES AND A COUPLE OF THE UNIVERSITIES, AND I THINK A COUPLE OF PRIVATE COMPANIES ARE IN THIS CONSORTIUM.
AND, AND THAT'S WHERE THEY CAN GET, GET THE, GET THE PLA THE, THE
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UH, ENERGY OFF OF THE GRID.'CAUSE IT ALL FEEDS BACK INTO THE GRID.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING.
THE BACKGROUND IN GREENBURG IS INTERESTING.
WE HAD OUR FIRST BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY, WHICH IS CALLED EAGLE ENERGY.
UH, BACK LAST YEAR AT THE TIME WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A LAW THAT, UH, REGULATED, UM, BATTERY STORAGE.
AND UM, IT ACTUALLY WAS, UH, SUBJECT OF A, AN APPEAL FIRST TIME IN HISTORY THAT THE PLEAING BOARD EVER APPEALED BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OPINION.
AND OUR APPEAL WAS SUSTAINED BY THE ZONING BOARD.
AND WHILE THAT WAS GOING ON, A GROUP OF PEOPLE WERE PUT TOGETHER TO DEVELOP A NEW BEST LAW.
UM, THERE ARE THREE MEMBERS OF THAT GROUP WILL BE PRESENT RIGHT NOW.
THERE ARE TWO, WALTER AND I WERE BOTH ON, ON THAT GROUP.
AND GARRETT DUQUE, WHO SHOULD BE HERE IN A FEW MINUTES, WAS ALSO A MEMBER OF THAT GROUP.
I WANT YOU TO KNOW HOW MUCH WORK WENT INTO THAT GROUP.
UH, WE DID TALK, WE READ THE TESLA EMERGENCY, UH, MANUAL, I THINK COVER TO COVER AT LEAST THREE TIMES.
UM, WE DO, WE HAVE MEETINGS WITH CONED AND NYSERDA AND WE ALSO HIRED A CONSULTANT EXPERT IN THIS AREA TO HELP US CRAFT THE LAW.
IN FACT, WHAT CAME OUT WITH THE LAW IS A LAW THAT IS MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN ANYBODY RECOMMENDED, UH, INCLUDING SERTA AND OUR OWN CONSULTANT.
BECAUSE THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL DEFERENCE TO OUR APPLICANT TONIGHT, UM, THIS IS STILL FAIRLY NEW TECHNOLOGY AND, AND CHANGING TECHNOLOGY.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME HICCUPS, SAY WORSE THAN HICCUPS.
THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE BAD INCIDENT INCIDENTS FOR THE PARTICULAR ONE IN ARIZONA.
THEY SOLVED THE PROBLEM 'CAUSE IT, IT, THAT WAS AN EXPLOSION.
'CAUSE AT THE TIME IT COULDN'T RELEASE ANY GASES INTO THE AIR.
AND IT WAS A BIG EXPLOSION AT THE TIME.
SO LIKE ANY OTHER NEW TECHNOLOGY, THEY'RE GONNA BE GLITCHES IN IT.
THE MAJORITY OF THE GLITCHES THAT HAPPEN IN CARS AND THE A A LOT OF THE GLITCHES ARE BECAUSE THE BATTERY GETS DISRUPTED.
YOU KNOW, A CAR, IT GOES OVER A BUMP, THE CAR GETS, YOU KNOW, HIT A LITTLE BIT.
THAT'S WHAT CAUSES THE MAJORITY OF THEM.
UM, BEST LAWS HAVE BEEN ADOPTED ALL OVER, UH, NEW YORK STATE FOR SURE.
AND AS WELL AS OTHER, UH, MUNICIPALITIES HAVE SAID, OURS WAS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN ANY OF THE ONES WE HAD.
UM, AND I'M HAPPY THAT IT IS THAT.
BUT ONE VERY IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF OURS, AND THIS IS SOMETHING I WANNA STRESS MORE AND MORE AS WE GO FORWARD, WAS IT REQUIRED.
UM, IT REQUIRED A COORDINATION WITH THE LOCAL FIRE DISTRICT WHO IS THE PRIMARY RESPONDER WHEN THESE THINGS HAPPEN.
WE DIDN'T WANNA JUST STICK SOMETHING IN, IN A FIRE DISTRICT WITHOUT THEIR OPINION.
AND, AND, AND SO THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY THAT IS NOT ONLY SAFE FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO SAFE FOR OUR, OUR OUR RESPONDERS.
SO TONIGHT I WANNA DO, DO TWO THINGS AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO IT.
I WANT TO FIRST OF ALL THANK UM, THE GREENVILLE FIRE DE DEPARTMENT DISTRICT.
EXCUSE ME, GUYS, DISTRICT NOT DEPARTMENT.
UM, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT FOR, UH, BEING SO CONSCIENTIOUS IN DEVELOPING A RECOMMENDATION.
I KNOW IT TOOK A LOT LONGER THAN I WOULD'VE LIKED IT DO, BUT I UNDERSTAND IT AND IT'S HERE AND WE ARE HERE AND THAT'S IMPORTANT.
AND I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOU GUYS SHOWING UP TONIGHT AND HELPING ON THIS.
ON THE FLIP SIDE, I ALSO WANNA THANK OUR APPLICANT WHO HAS BEEN PATIENT.
UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR FIRST TIME THROUGH THIS, SO YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE ROUGHER THAN ANY OTHER TIME.
'CAUSE WE'VE NEVER AT, YOU'RE THE FIRST TIME WE'VE EVER IMPLEMENTED THIS LAW.
OKAY? SO YOUR COOPERATION AND YOUR RESPONSE TO THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT, I THOUGHT WAS, UH, A VERY GOOD SIGN THAT WE CAN COME TO A, AN AGREEMENT, UH, THAT IS COMFORTABLE TO BOTH THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT AND TO THE APPLICANT.
UH, AND WE CAN HOPEFULLY AT THAT POINT MOVE AHEAD WITH THE PROJECT.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WANTED TO SAY.
GAR GARRETT WILL BE HERE IN A FEW MINUTES, BUT I THINK WE CAN GET STARTED.
AARON, UM, THERE WAS AN UPDATE, I THINK, FROM THE APPLICANT YOU WANTED TO DO FIRST AND THEN WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, UM, WE HAVE A HARD STOP, ACTUALLY HAVE MORE TIME.
AND I, I WAS, I WAS GONNA ONLY ALLOCATE AN HOUR.
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GONNA GIVE YOU EVERYBODY AN HOUR AND 15 MINUTES FOR THIS PROJECT TONIGHT.SO YOU HAVE TILL NINE, TILL 8 45.
TONIGHT, JUST SO YOU KNOW, I WOULD HOPE THAT MR. GRODEN AND THE A AND OUR APPLICANT, HOW DO YOU PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NA NAME, SIR? I, THE, I, I'M HAVING TROUBLE WITH NAMES TONIGHT.
HOW, HOW DO I PRONOUNCE IT? DEY, DEY DEY.
THEY EACH GET ABOUT 15 MINUTES WHEN WE DISCUSS THE, THE G THE GREENVILLE FIRE COMMENTS.
AND THEN THE, THE REST OF THE TIME, I, I'D LIKE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AND CLARIFICATIONS FROM THE BOARD, AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL END IN A PLACE THAT WE'LL HAVE A PLAN GOING FORWARD THAT WE CAN, UH, COMPLETE THIS PROJECT.
SO, UM, MR. DELEY, WHY DON'T YOU JUST GIVE US UPDATE OF WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON SINCE THE LAST TIME YOU MET WITH US.
WE'VE ENABLED THE SHARE SCREEN IF YOU'D LIKE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO UTILIZE THAT FUNCTION.
MR. LEY, AH, I THINK WE LOST, OH, SORRY.
UM, I GUESS IT'S, UH, FOR THE BENEFIT OF, UH, THE, THE PUBLIC, I SHOULD JUST GIVE A QUICK, UH, INTRODUCTION ABOUT US.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YOU CAN GIVE A QUICK INTRODUCTION AND THEN ALSO WHAT HAPPENED BETWEEN THE, THE LAST MEETING AND THIS ONE.
THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC, THIS ISN'T A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IN THAT, THE WORK SESSION, IN THAT CASE, IN THAT CASE, UH, NO NEED FOR AN INTRODUCTION, I SUPPOSE WE, WE MET BEFORE.
SO, UH, MY COLLEAGUE, UH, BERNARDO IS ALSO OUR ENGINEER IS HERE.
AND, UH, BERNARDO CAN GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE, UH, ELEMENTS OR THE ISSUES RAISED DURING THE LAST MEETING.
WELL, BEFORE, BEFORE YOU ADDRESS THE ISSUES OF THE LAST MEETING, THE ISSUE, IF YOU'RE GONNA ADDRESS THE, THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT, UH, COMMENTS, I'D RATHER LET THEM GO FIRST AND THEN LET YOU RESPOND TO THAT WITH, IF THAT'S FAIR.
SO I'LL, I'LL, I'LL PUT THE, I'LL GIVE THE FLOOR TO MR. GRODEN AND THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT THAT ARE HERE.
THANKS AGAIN FOR SHOWING UP, GUYS.
AARON, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP FOR A MINUTE.
I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, THE CHAIR SAW IT.
YOU WANTED SOMETHING THAT'S OKAY.
I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST THAT PERHAPS THE APPLICANT WANTED TO, UH, THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAD ASKED FOR COMING OUTTA THAT INITIAL WORK SESSION, INCLUDING, UM, SOME STUDIES AND SOME LINE OF SIGHT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO GET THROUGH THAT FIRST.
AND THEN, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO LIMIT THOSE COMMENTS AT THIS POINT TO THE, TO THE PLANNING BOARD RESPONDENT OF THE PLANNING BOARD'S COMMENTS FROM THE LAST TIME.
AND THEN I, I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO MR. GRODEN AND THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT TO GO THROUGH THEIR, THEIR CRITIQUE.
AND THEN YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT.
SO, RIGHT NOW, MR. DELLY AND MR. BORGES, JUST GO THROUGH THE RESPONSES TO WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD COMMENTS WERE FOR THE LA LAST MEETING.
UH, EVERYONE, UH, GOOD EVENING AGAIN.
UH, I WANNA MAKE SURE MY SCREEN IS BEING VISIBLE.
IT IS, UH, THIS IS, UH, WE HAD REQUESTS IN THE LAST MEETING ABOUT GREENVIEW.
UH, I PULL UP HERE THE GREENVIEW, UH, UH, DRAWINGS.
AND ONE OF THE REQUESTS WAS TO DO A SOUND LEVEL, UH, ANALYSIS OF WHAT WOULD BE THE SOUND, UH, UH, THE PROPERTY LINE IN, UH, DORCHESTER DRIVE STREET.
SO, UH, I HAVE, UH, I WORK WITH, UH, AARON.
AND, UH, WE, UH, CREATED THIS GRAPHIC HERE, WHICH SHOWS THE BATTERY LOCATION, UH, THE PROPOSED BATTERY LOCATION AT GREENVIEW, AT DIFFERENT SOUND SOUND LEVELS AT DIFFERENT DISTANCE.
AND THE RED LINE HERE IS THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO, UH, WE WOULD HAVE AT THE PROPERTY LINE ABOUT 52 DECIBELS AT THE PROPERTY LINE AND AT THE NEIGHBORING ACROSS THE STREET.
UH, THE QUESTION IN THE MEETING WAS WHAT BE THE SOUND LEVEL ACROSS THE STREET? AND WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY, UH, 50 DECIBELS, WHICH IS WITHIN THE, THE, THE MODEL LAW, UH, THE GREENBERG MODEL LAW WITH, WITH A BATTERY FOR THE BATTERY.
SO, UH, AND, UH, THIS WAS THE FIRST QUESTION WE DISCUSSED LAST, UH, UH, LAST MEETING.
SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS, UH, REQUESTED OF US WAS TO DO A ELEVATION STUDY FROM THE HOUSE, THE NEAREST HOUSE.
SO WE HAVE THE NEAREST, LET ME HIGHLIGHT THIS HERE.
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UH, A HOUSE HERE.AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED BARRIER LOCATION.
AND, UH, THE ELEVATION GOES FROM 200, AROUND 253 FEET OF ELEVATION TO 238 FEET OF ELEVATION, UH, IS A DECLINE.
AND, UH, AND THE LAST REQUEST WAS TO DO A PERSPECTIVE STUDY.
UH, SO WE, WE PLUGGED IN INTO OUR RENDERING TOOLS.
UH, THIS IS THE BATTERY RIGHT HERE.
THERE ARE SOME TREES IN THE WAY THAT WE DID NOT MODEL, BUT THERE ARE SOME TREES IN THE, IN, IN THE, AT, AT THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND, UH, THE PERSPECTIVE FROM THE NEIGHBORING HOUSE WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE THIS HERE.
THIS WOULD BE THE SIZE OF THE, THE BATTERY, THE PROPOSED BATTERY FROM THE NEIGHBORING WINDOW.
UH, PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE ARE SOME TREES BLOCKING THIS VIEW AS WELL.
WE JUST, UH, THIS STUDY WAS VERY SIMPLE IN THE WAY THAT WE WANTED TO KNOW THE PERSPECTIVE AND THE SIZE OF THE PROPOSED BATTERY ACROSS THE STREET.
UH, THIS IS WHAT, UH, THESE ARE THE REQUESTS FROM THE LAST MEETING.
AND, AND MR. BORG, WE SHOULD NOTE THAT, UM, THE VISUALS IN THE FAR, UH, PORTION OF THE THIS IMAGE ARE NOT INDICATIVE OF WHAT THIS SITE IS.
JUST MAKE SURE WHAT I, I, I I MARK THIS HERE.
I THINK THE, I THINK THE BUILDING IS ACTUALLY MUCH MORE VISIBLE FROM DORCHESTER DRIVE THAN WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT THIS, RIGHT? YEAH.
WE DID NOT MODEL THE ENTIRE, UH, UH, SHOP.
UH, WE DID NOT MODEL THE ENTIRE BUILDING, RIGHT? JUST THE BATTERY, THE PERSPECTIVE, THE SIZE OF THE BATTERY IN RELATION TO THE DISTANCE OF THE HOUSE AND THE ELEVATION FROM THE WINDOW.
UH, THAT WAS THE REQUEST FROM, UH, WE, WE TRIED TO ADDRESS.
SO, UH, ON TOP OF THAT, THE LAST OP UPDATE THAT WE HAVE IS REGARDING MIDWAY.
UH, WE ARE WORKING ON THE THREE, UH, UH, REMOVAL APPLICATION.
WE HAD, UH, THREE CONSULT, UH, UH, COMING TO THE SITE, AND WE WERE READY FOR SOME FORMS TO BE FILLED OUT, AND WE ARE GOING SUBMIT THAT AS WELL.
SO THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE THREE OF UPDATES THAT WE HAVE, ASIDE FROM THE FIRE DISTRICT COMMENTS, WHICH, UH, WE NEED TO FURTHER DISCUSS.
SO I'M GONNA STOP ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS, UH, STUDY HERE? ANY QUESTION ON ANY OF THESE STUDIES, OR SHOULD WE, I KNOW THERE WAS QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ON THAT AT THIS POINT, NO.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE SOUND AND THE PERSPECTIVE.
UM, MR. GRODEN, GOOD EVENING, ALL.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE WITH YOU TONIGHT.
UH, BY WAY OF INTRODUCTION, IF I MAY, I AM A, ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE WRITING OF A STANDARD CALLED N A N F P A, NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION, 8 55, WHICH ADDRESSES THE INSTALLATION OF THESE SYSTEMS. UH, I SPENT A SIGNIFICANT PORTION, PROFESSIONAL PORTION OF MY LIFE, UH, TRYING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT.
AND I WANNA INDICATE, UH, THAT I SUPPORT THE COMMENTS OF THE CHAIR.
THIS IS A CRITICAL ELEMENT OF ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE GOING FORWARD, UH, AND WE'LL MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
AND ONE THING NOT MENTIONED, IF WE DO SOME THINGS LIKE THIS, WE MAY HAVE LESS NEED TO RELY UPON BUILDING FURTHER POWER PLANTS, UH, BY U BETTER UTILIZING, UH, EXISTING GENERATING CAPACITY.
WE SPENT SOME TIME IN THE LETTER, UH, GOING OVER, UH, MATERIAL RELATIVE TO, UH, THE BEST.
UH, WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM WHEN THEY GO INTO FAULT.
AND IF YOU JUST FOCUS ON A LETTER, YOU THINK THAT THESE THINGS ARE, UH, EXTRAORDINARILY DANGEROUS, THESE ARE BRAND NEW TECHNOLOGY.
UH, THEY DO REPRESENT VERY SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS FOR THE FIRE SERVICE AND THE COMMUNITY.
UH, AND WE WE'RE TRYING TO BE CONSULTATIVE AND SUPPORTIVE HERE IN OUR COMMENTS.
WE WENT INTO SOME DEPTH, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LENGTH OF THE LETTER, BUT WE WANTED TO GIVE SOME EXPLANATION OF THE THINGS THAT WE OFFERED.
IF I MAY, I'M GONNA RIP THROUGH THE 20 OR SO COMMENTS AND THE FOUR QUESTIONS
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FAIRLY QUICKLY, UH, TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE CHAIR'S TIMEFRAME SO WE CAN, UH, PERHAPS ADDRESS THINGS OF CONCERN.IF, IF THAT IS OKAY WITH EVERYBODY, THAT'D BE GREAT, MR. GERIN.
FIRST THING, THE, UH, IN, IN, IN PART OF THE APPLICANT'S SUBMISSION, THERE WAS THE WORD THE FIRE DEPARTMENT APPROVED OF A LOCATION.
WE MET, UH, WE DID DO DO SITE VISITS, AND WE MET WITH THE APPLICANT AND, UH, C D N C.
AND, UH, WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE SITES AND WE OFFERED COMMENTARY.
THAT'S NOT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW.
WE MADE COMMENTARY RELATIVE TO THE, UH, SPECIFIC SITE AT THE GREENVILLE SHOPPING CENTER, BECAUSE IT WAS WITHIN ABOUT 10 OR 12 FEET OF AN EXISTING BUILDING.
AND, UH, WHILE WALKING AROUND, UH, AN ALTERNATIVE WAS FOUND.
BUT THAT IS THE PURVIEW OF THE APPLICANT, NOT THE FIRE DISTRICT.
UH, WE INDICATE THAT A PEER, WE REQUEST THE PLANNING BOARD ASK FOR A PEER REVIEW.
PEER REVIEW IS DONE OF THE APPLICATION.
AND, UH, IT, IT IS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FROM NYCHA.
IT'S ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FROM THE 8 55 STANDARD.
UH, IT'S A CHECK AND BALANCE TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING THAT SHOULD BE THERE WAS PUT THERE BY A QUALIFIED, UH, UH, REVIEWER.
UH, IT SHOULD BE INDICATED THAT IN THE DE MY, IS MY UNDERSTANDING IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE LAW, THE TOWN RETAINED THE SERVICES OF A FIRE PROTECTION ENGINEERING FIRM CALLED AUP TO ASSIST WITH PROVIDING INPUT THAT THE CHAIR MENTIONED EARLIER, RELATIVE TO THE FORMULATION OF THE LAW.
UH, IT IS NOT MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH REVIEWING THIS EXISTING APPLICATION.
SO A PEER REVIEW IS SOMETHING THAT IS REQUIRED IN THE STANDARD.
I KNOW IT'S A HOOP THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO JUMP THROUGH.
IT IS A CHECK AND BALANCE ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY, THE APPLICANT FOR EVERYBODY TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS ADDRESSED AS IT SHOULD BE.
UH, SO IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE PUT IT IN THERE, INDICATING TO THE PLANNING BOARD THAT THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THEY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT.
UH, THE NEXT ITEM IS A WATER SUPPLY TEST.
IN THE PLANNING BOARD'S MEETING, UH, IN EARLY FEBRUARY, THERE WAS SOME COMMENTARY I'D LIKE TO OFFER WITH ALL, WITH ALL RESPECT SOME, UH, UH, FIRE SERVICE PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT I HEARD.
I HEARD THAT PEOPLE HAD CONCERN ABOUT WHY WOULD THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BE INTERESTED IN WHERE THE HYDRANTS ARE, BECAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU DON'T PUT WATER ON AN ELECTRICAL FIRE.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE THIS COMES FROM.
IT'S VALID FROM THE LAY PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT PEOPLE LEARN WHEN THEY LEARN ABOUT FIRE EXTINGUISHERS AND FIRE AT THAT LEVEL.
I ALSO NEED TO INDICATE THAT THE FIRE SERVICE ROUTINELY USES WATER PROXIMATE TO ENERGIZED ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT.
AND WE DO IT WITH EXTRAORDINARY CAUTION.
THE ONLY MEANS WE HAVE OF CONTROLLING EXPOSURE FIRE IS BY HAVING WATER AND COOLING THINGS.
SO THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE'RE, WE HAVE THE CONCERNS ABOUT WATER SUPPLY ISSUES.
THE WATER SUPPLY HYDRANTS IN PROXIMITY TO THE, UH, PROPOSED PROJECTS HAVE NOT BEEN TESTED.
OR IF THEY HAVE BEEN TESTED, WE HAVE NOT SEEN THE RESULTS OF THOSE TESTS.
WHAT WE POINT OUT IN ITEM THREE IN OUR LETTER IS WE WOULD VERY MUCH, WE VERY MUCH NEED TO SEE THOSE TESTS TO DETERMINE IF THERE'S AN ADEQUATE, UH, WATER SUPPLY FOR OUR OPERATIONS THAT WOULD OCCUR THERE.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
THAT HAS TO BE COORDINATED, I BELIEVE, WITH THE WATER DEPARTMENT AND, AND GREENBERG ENGINEERING, AND I WOULD PRESUME BY THE APPLICANT, UH, REQUESTING SUCH A TEST BE DONE.
SO WE RECOMMEND THAT, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD AS A CONDITION OF ANY CONSIDERATION OF A PERMIT REQUIRE THAT THIS BE DONE.
SO WE CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION TO US, IS, IS THE SUPPLY SUFFICIENT? ITEM FOUR WAS, UH, A HAZARD MITIGATION ANALYSIS.
UH, HAZARD MITIGATION ANALYSIS IS ANOTHER ELEMENT, WHICH IS IN THE EXISTING CODES, WHICH IS REQUIRED, UH, FOR PART OF THE, UH, APPLICATION.
IT REQUIRES THAT CERTAIN THINGS BE CONSIDERED FOR IF THEY GO WRONG, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN AND WHAT THE EFFECTS WOULD BE, AND WHAT WOULD WE DO.
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IN, UH, PARAGRAPH FOUR A IN OUR LETTER IS TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM ONE OF THE STANDARDS.WHEN WE REVIEWED THE APPLICANT'S HAZARD MITIGATION ANALYSIS.
WE APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION THAT'S PROVIDED BY TESLA, BUT IT DOESN'T ADDRESS MOST OF THE THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED IN BOTH THE NYCHA AND THE 8 55 STANDARD TO REVIEW THE HAZARDS THAT ARE PRESENT AND HOW ARE THEY MITIGATED.
IN ITEM FIVE, AN EMERGENCY PLAN IS SUBMITTED.
AND THERE ARE SOME KEY ELEMENTS WHICH WE DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT COMES LARGELY FROM TESLA, AND IT INDICATES IN ONE PO IN TWO POINTS THAT YOU NEED TO KEEP A 50 FOOT DISTANCE FROM THE BEST WHEN THERE'S AN EMERGENCY.
IN ANOTHER POINT ON THE SAME PAGE, IT INDICATES A 20 FOOT DISTANCE.
THIS IS TROUBLING BECAUSE TWO DIFFERENT DISTANCES ARE SHOWN.
AND IN REALITY, WHEN COMPARING THESE DISTANCES TO AN ACTUAL EVENT, WHICH THE CHAIR REFERENCED EARLIER IN SURPRISE, ARIZONA, THE DISTANCES REQUIRED FOR THE, THE DAMAGE THAT OCCURRED THERE WE'RE ALMOST WE'RE 75 FEET.
WE, ONE OF THE, UH, FIREFIGHTERS WAS BLOWN 75 FEET AWAY FROM THE BEST WHEN IT DETONATED.
SO HOW DO WE GET TO THESE NUMBERS OF 50 FEET AND UNDERSTANDING THAT, AND THE EMERGENCY PLAN BECOMES A KEY ELEMENT OF WHAT THE APPLICANT PRESENTED.
WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS FORWARDED FROM TESLA, BUT WE THINK THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT IS INTENDED HERE.
AND IF TESLA'S NOT CLEAR ABOUT THIS, PERHAPS THE APPLICANT SHOULD GET SOME FURTHER CLARIFICATION FROM THEM SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.
UH, THERE'S ALSO A REQUIREMENT IN PARAGRAPH SIX FOR A DECOMMISSIONING, UH, E EVALUATION.
THE DECOMMISSIONING EVALUATION BASICALLY LOOKS AT THE END OF THE PROJECT AT THE END OF ITS LIFE.
AND HOW WOULD YOU TAKE IT APART? BESS IS A DIFFERENT APPLIANCE THAN ANYTHING WE'VE EVER SEEN BEFORE.
BESS CONTAINS ELECTRICAL ENERGY.
TRANSFORMERS DON'T, UH, LOTS OF OTHER EQUIPMENT ON A GRID DO NOT.
BUT INSIDE OF A BEST DUE TO THE BATTERY PRESENCE, THE HUGE AMOUNT OF ELECTRICAL ENERGY IS STORED.
IF IN FACT IT SUSTAINS A FAULT OR AN ISSUE, EVEN IF IT'S DISCONNECTED FROM THE GRID, BOTH INCOMING AND OUTGOING, THAT ELECTRICAL ENERGY REMAINS, IT IS POTENTIALLY LETHAL.
UH, IT, WE CALL IT STRANDED ENERGY BECAUSE IT CAN'T GET OUT AND IT'S A PROBLEM.
AND THE REASON THE DECOMMISSIONING STANDARD IS LOOKED AT IS FOR THE HAZARDS THAT ARE PRESENTED BY THIS SITUATION.
AND HOW DO YOU TAKE THE EQUIPMENT APART SAFELY WHEN THE NEED ARISES, EITHER AFTER A FAULT OR AT THE END OF ITS SERVICE LIFE.
THAT, AND THERE ARE, THERE'S A BUNCH OF STANDARDS IN PARAGRAPH SIX A EXPLAINING THE VARIOUS HEADINGS RIGHT OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE CODE.
AND WE LOOKED AT THE DECOMMISSIONING MATERIAL THE APPLICANT PRESENTED, AND WE DON'T THINK THAT IT'S COMPLETELY ADDRESSED.
AND WE SUGGEST THAT THE PLANNING BOARD CONSIDER ASKING FOR MO WHOLESOME FOLSOME, UH, UH, EXPLANATION.
IT WAS CORRECTLY INDICATED EARLIER THAT THE EVENT IN SURPRISE, ARIZONA SUSTAINED A, WHAT WE CALL A DEFECATION.
THE EQUIPMENT THAT IS PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT, UH, IS MADE BY TESLA AND INCLUDES SOMETHING CALLED DEFLATION VENTS.
THE PRODUCTS OF COMBUSTION THAT ARE PUT OFF WHEN LITHIUM ION BATTERIES GO INTO THERMAL RUNAWAY INCLUDE COMBUSTIBLE GASES, AND THEY ACCUMULATE SIGNIFICANTLY INSIDE THE HOUSING.
THE DEFLAGRATION VENTS ARE INTENDED TO ALLOW, IF IN FACT, THESE GASES BECOME IGNITED FOR THE DEFLATION TO OCCUR INSIDE THE HOUSING AND NOT HAVE THE HOUSING TURNED TORN APART BY THE EXPLOSION, BUT IN FACT VENT THE GASES OUT THE DEFLAGRATION VENT.
THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE AS A CONCERN IS WE ASK THE PLANNING BOARD TO SECURE INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT, WHICH I HOPE WOULD BE AVAILABLE FROM THE MANUFACTURER, INDICATING HOW FAR FROM THESE DEF FROM THE DEFECATION VENTS THE PRESSURE WAVE WOULD GO IN EFFECT.
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HOW FAR BACK DO WE HAVE TO STAND WHEN WE RESPOND TO THIS THING TO BE SAFELY FAR ENOUGH AWAY? SO CHIEF SPEEDIER PEOPLE CAN OPERATE THERE, BUT NOT BE TOO CLOSE BECAUSE THE VENTS DON'T STOP AN EXPLOSION.THEY JUST ALLOW IT TO VENT THE GASES OUT OF THE HOUSING.
AND WE NEED TO KNOW HOW FAR BACK TO STAND.
UH, THERE ARE A BUNCH OF SIMPLE SUBMISSION ERRORS IN ITEM EIGHT, WHERE THE PLANS MAY HAVE EXISTED AND WERE SUBMITTED FROM A PRIOR PROJECT.
AND OUR CONCERN IS THESE DOCUMENTS BECOME PERMANENT PROJECT RECORDS AND THEY SHOW INCORRECT PHONE NUMBERS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, INCORRECT NAMES, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT JUST NEED TO BE CLEANED UP.
AND THESE ARE NOTHING MORE THAN THAN CLERICAL, UH, MINISTERIAL CLERICAL TASKS.
AND WE KNOW THAT THEY CAN EASILY BE ACCOMPLISHED.
UH, WE, WE REQUESTED THAT WE, THAT BECAUSE THESE DEVICES EXIST INSIDE OF METAL HOUSINGS, UH, EFFECTIVELY THEY'RE WEARING METAL RAINCOATS AROUND THEM.
WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A WAY OF GETTING INSIDE AND WE CAN'T GET INSIDE THE ELECTRICAL ENERGY THAT'S PRESENT, THE HIGH VOLTAGES THAT ARE PRESENT PRECLUDE US FROM WANTING TO GO ENTERING THESE THINGS AND EVALUATING THEM.
UH, BECAUSE OF THAT, WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
WE CANNOT APPLY WATER TO THE UNINVOLVED PORTIONS OF THE BATTERY TO COOL IT DOWN AND KEEP IT FROM BECOMING INVOLVED.
WHEN WE WOULD BE CALLED TO THESE THINGS, BATTERIES WOULD ALREADY BE IN FAULT.
THEY PROBABLY WOULD'VE ENTERED A STATE CALLED THERMAL RUNAWAY.
THEY ARE EVOLVING GASES, WHICH ARE BOTH COMBUSTIBLE AND HIGHLY DANGEROUS.
THEY INCLUDE HYDROGEN CYANIDE AND CARBON MONOXIDE.
UH, AND, UH, THEY, UH, UH, WE USE WOULD BE USING WATER TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THE PRODUCTION OF THESE PRODUCTS OF COMBUSTION.
THESE KINDS OF PRODUCTS OF COMBUSTION ARE ALSO FOUND WHEN ORDINARY THINGS IN HOUSES.
THEY WILL ALSO PRODUCE THESE THINGS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THE FIRE SERVICE DOES IS ADDRESS THE FIRE, ATTACK THE FIRE.
AND WHEN WE SUPPRESS THE FIRE, THE EVOLUTION OF THESE GASES CEASES AND THE HAZARDS THEY PRESENT GO AWAY.
AND IT DOESN'T EXPOSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, TO, TO THESE KINDS OF THINGS.
IF WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THE BATTERY IS IN THERMAL RUNAWAY, AND WE CANNOT APPLY WATER INSIDE TO COOL THE BATTERY DOWN, WE ARE, WE, WE ARE HAMSTRUNG AS TO WHAT WE CAN DO.
AND WE ARE RELEGATED TO BASICALLY WAITING UNTIL THE BATTERY FIRE BURNS OUT.
THAT IS GOING TO CREATE A PROBLEM FOR THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE CHIEF SPEED AIR AND THE FIRST RESPONDERS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TRY TO KEEP PEOPLE AWAY FROM THE PRODUCTS OF COMBUSTION AND THE POTENTIAL EXPLOSION HAZARD, BECAUSE WE CAN'T STOP THE THERMAL RUNAWAY OUR WATER STREAMS, EVEN IF THEY, IF THEY COULD BE EFFECTIVE IN GETTING TO THE SEAT OF THE FIRE, CAN'T PENETRATE THE HOUSINGS.
WE SUGGEST IN ITEM NINE THAT THE HOUSINGS BE FITTED WITH AN INTERNAL SUPPRESSION, MEANS THIS HAS BEEN DONE ALREADY.
THIS IS DONE IN, THIS IS HOW NEW YORK CITY IS PROTECTING THESE THINGS AND HAVING THEM PRESENT.
AND THIS PROVIDES A MEANS FOR THEM TO POSITIVELY AFFECT THE OUTCOME AND NOT JUST STAND BACK AND WAIT FOR IT TO BURN OUT.
WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH DOING THIS.
UH, THE UL STANDARD FROM BY WHICH THE EQUIPMENT HAS BEEN APPROVED DOESN'T NECESSARILY ALLOW A RETROFIT OF A SUPPRESSION SYSTEM INTERNALLY.
THE PLANNING BOARD NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS WILL MEAN THAT THE FIRE SERVICE IS LARGELY GOING TO BE MANAGING THE CONSEQUENCES WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO HASTEN THE PROCESS.
AND THIS COULD BE A LONG AND DRAWN OUT EVENT.
UH, THERE ARE ISSUES OF WHERE THE ELECTRICAL DISCONNECTS WILL BE LOCATED,
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AND THERE IS WORDING THAT INDICATES THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WILL IDENTIFY WHERE THESE GO.WE SUGGEST THAT, UH, THE FIRE SERVICE ALSO HAVE SOME INPUT AS TO WHERE THESE THINGS MAY GO.
WE ALSO HAVE TO RECOGNIZE WE MAY NOT ELECT TO ACTUATE THESE DEVICES.
THAT IS SOMETHING WE SOMETIMES DON'T DO, UH, 'CAUSE THERE ARE ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, WHICH WE'LL SPEAK OF A LITTLE BIT LATER, UH, A LITTLE BIT LATER IS RIGHT NOW.
UH, WE ASKED THE PLANNING BOARD TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HOUSINGS CONTAINING THE DISCONNECT DEVICES CAN CONTAIN SOMETHING CALLED ARC FLASH.
IT'S A TECHNICAL THING, IT'S AN EXPOSURE FOR FIRST RESPONDERS.
UH, IT IS EXTRAORDINARILY DANGEROUS, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS ADDRESSED.
UH, WE ALSO, MR. GRODEN, I JUST WANNA DO A TIME CHECK.
CAN YOU THINK YOU COULD WRAP IT UP IN ABOUT FOUR MORE MINUTES? YES, SIR.
WE TALK ABOUT THE LOCATION OF A KEY BOX AND JOINTLY LOCATING, UH, WHERE IT WILL GO.
WE TALK ABOUT THE BOLLARDS AROUND THE FENCE SYSTEM.
WE UNDERSTAND IN THIS PROPOSAL, THE APPLICANT WANTED TO PUT THE BOLLARDS IN AND THEY'RE REMOVABLE.
THERE ARE SPECIFIC STANDARDS CONCERNING THE BOLLARDS BECAUSE MECHANICAL IMPACT BY A VEHICLE IS ONE OF THE FAILURE MECHANISMS THAT WILL CAUSE THE BEST TO GO INTO THERMAL RUNAWAY.
THAT'S WHY THE BALLADS ARE IMPORTANT.
WE SPEAK ABOUT THE NEED FOR EVALUATING DRAINAGE AT THE SITE AND EVALUATING FLOOD AT THE SITE MIDWAY, NOT SO MUCH, BUT GREENVILLE SHOPPING CENTER WAS HEAVILY IMPACTED BY THE, UH, SEPTEMBER 1ST REIGNS.
UH, WE BELIEVE THE SITE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SELECTED IS FAR ENOUGH AWAY, BUT IN TOWN ENGINEERING MAY WANNA BECOME INVOLVED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, IT IS FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM UNDERGROUND TROUBLESOME BROOK, UH, WHICH IS THERE AS WELL.
AS I UNDERSTAND, THERE WILL BE A TANK PLACED, UH, NEAR IT FOR CONTAINMENT OF COOLANT.
IF THAT IS TO BE BURIED AND THE GROUND IS ALREADY, UH, WITH A HIGH WATER TABLE, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THE TOWN ENGINEERING PEOPLE MAY WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS WE ASK FOR IS THE SUPPORT FROM THE, UH, APPLICANT'S TECHNICAL PEOPLE.
UH, THE CHIEF NEEDS TO HAVE THE INCIDENT COMMANDER NEEDS TO HAVE THE SUPPORTIVE PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERT IN THIS, UH, EQUIPMENT, AND THEY NEEDS TO HAVE THEM IN A TIMELY BASIS, LIKE WITHIN AN HOUR, AN HOUR AND A HALF AT THE MOST ON SITE.
UH, THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT REQUIREMENTS WE ARE LOOKING FOR.
UM, THERE IS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE BATTERY CONTROL SYSTEM AND HOW THAT WILL SERVE TO, UH, PROVIDE INFORMATION TO THE INCIDENT COMMANDER.
THE BATTERY CONTROL SYSTEM WILL BE MONITORED IN CALIFORNIA.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS IN THERE IS THE FACT THAT, UH, THERE HAS TO BE A COMMON LANGUAGE AND A COMMON REFERENCE POINT FOR AN OPERATOR IN CALIFORNIA TO SAY, UH, PANEL EIGHT IS SHOWING AN OVERHEAT CONDITION TO THE INCIDENT COMMANDER 3000 MILES AWAY.
AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS AND WHERE THAT IS RIGHT NOW.
IT IS NOT CLEAR THAT, HOW THAT COULD BE DONE AT ALL.
UH, THE LAST THING WE COME TO IS WE ASK THE PLANNING BOARD TO CONSIDER, UH, ASKING THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE A FUNDING MECHANISM, PERHAPS THROUGH INSURANCE ARRANGEMENTS, TO ASSIST US WITH THE COST OF RESPONSE TO THIS.
WE HOPE WE NEVER HAVE TO GO TO THESE, UH, TO AN EVENT INVOLVING THIS, UH, SYSTEM.
HOWEVER, WE KNOW THAT IF WE IN FACT HAVE TO, IT WILL BE A LONG AND EXTENSIVE EVENT AND IT WILL HAVE, UH, SOME UNINTENDED FINANCIAL CONSEQUENCES TO THE FIRE DISTRICT.
AND WE ARE VERY INTERESTED IN DISCUSSING, UH, HOW THAT COULD BE, WE COULD BE, UH, INDEMNIFIED IN SOME WAY FOR THOSE EXCESSIVE EXPENSES.
TO THE FOUR QUESTIONS YOU ASKED, DOES THE FIRE DISTRICT PERSONNEL HAVE BEEN TRAINING IN LITHIUM ION FIRES? THE ANSWER TO THAT IS NO, NOT FOR STATIONARY FIRES.
WE HAVE HAD TRAINING RELATIVE TO AUTOMOTIVE FIRES, BUT IT'S NOT RELATIVE.
AND ADDITIONAL TRAINING IS REQUIRED.
UH, DOES THE FIRE DISTRICT HAVE SUFFICIENT P P E, UH,
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PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT AND OTHER EQUIPMENT TO HANDLE THE SITUATION? THERE ARE TWO THINGS WHICH WE WOULD LIKE SUPPORT IN HELPING TO GET, UH, RE METERS WITH REMOTE READING CAPABILITY TO ALLOW US TO EVALUATE THE GASES THAT THE ARE GENERATED WHEN THEY'RE IN THERMAL RUNAWAY AND ADDITIONAL SCOT BOTTLES AIR PACK BOTTLES FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS.UH, THE THIRD QUESTION IS, UH, IS IT ON A SITE THAT CAN BE ACCESSED BY FIRE APP, BY FIRE APPARATUS? AND OUR STAFF IN BOTH CASES, WE, UH, ANSWER THAT IN DETAIL AND WE BELIEVE THAT TO BE THE CASE.
WE CAN GET TO THEM, UH, WHERE THEY'RE CITED.
THE LAST QUESTION IS, IS THE FIRE DISTRICT HAVE ACCESS TO SUFFICIENT HYDRANTS? WE ANSWERED THAT IN ITEM NUMBER THREE.
I APPRECIATE YOUR, THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH THIS.
WE HAD SOME, ARE WE TRYING TO BE SUPPORTIVE WITH THESE, WITH THE COMMENTS WE MADE? AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING BACK FROM YOU.
GUS, HAVE I MISSED ANYTHING? UH, NO.
FOR, FOR ME, AS THE FIRE CHIEF, UH, TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE IS VERY IMPORTANT AND BEING INVOLVED IN A FIRE SERVICE FOR A VERY LONG TIME, WE ALWAYS ASK THE DO'S AND DON'TS.
AND, UH, IF WE COULD GET CLARIFICATION ON THE DO'S AND DON'TS, WHETHER TO PUT WATER ON IT, NOT TO PUT WATER ON IT, THAT'D BE GREAT.
UM, AND SOME KIND OF, UM, MITIGATION PLAN FOR THE, THE FIRE SERVICE OR EMERGENCY SERVICES, UH, LIKE COMMISSIONER GROAN SAID THIS IS GONNA BE, IF, IF IT DOES GO, UH, TO THE NTH DEGREE TO A BAD SITUATION, THIS IS GONNA BE A LONG, DRAWN OUT, UM, UH, INCIDENT FOR US WITH MULTI, UH, OPERATIONAL PERIODS.
UH, AND INITIALLY THIS KIND OF, THIS KIND OF, UH, UH, INCIDENT WOULD DRAW OUT AT LEAST 25, UH, FIREFIGHTERS.
AND AT, IF IT DOES PROGRESS TO HAZARDOUS MATERIAL INCIDENT, YOU COULD HAVE UP TO 50 PEOPLE IN AN OPERATIONAL PERIOD THERE.
SO IT'S GONNA BE A, UM, VERY EXTENSIVE INCIDENT COMMAND, UM, PROCEDURE.
SO FOR ME, TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE IS VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, ON THE PHONE IS OKAY, BUT ON SITE IS EVEN BETTER.
UH, SO THEY COULD SEE WHAT I SEE.
SHOULD WE PUT WATER ON THIS, SHOULD WE NOT? UH, THAT'S FOR ME, THAT'S THE BIGGER QUESTION.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
MR. HAY, YOU HAD A COMMENT BEFORE WE MOVE ON? UH, YES.
UH, THANK YOU MR. GRODEN AND, AND, UH, CHIEF SP LARRY.
UM, 'CAUSE YOU GUYS FACE THE CONSEQUENCES IF SOMETHING HAPPENS.
I JUST WANTED TO, I HOPE, CLARIFY AND EXPAND ON, UM, WHAT YOU OPENED WITH MR. GRODEN, WHERE YOU SAID YOUR LETTER MAKES IT SOUND VERY DANGEROUS AND OBVIOUSLY MUCH OF WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT SOUNDED VERY DANGEROUS TO ANYONE THAT DOES KNOW THIS.
MY UNDERSTANDING, EVEN THOUGH THESE ARE STILL FULLY NOT UNDERSTOOD TO DATE, THE ACTUAL INCIDENTS OF FAILURE HAS BEEN RELATIVELY SMALL.
I DON'T, I THINK YOU MEANT TO FINISH THAT STATEMENT SAYING EVERYTHING SOUNDS DANGEROUS, BUT TRULY THE RISK MAY NOT BE, UM, SIGNIFICANT.
OBVIOUSLY, IF IT HAPPENS, IT'S A BAD THING.
WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR IT, BUT IT'S NOT AS IF, UM, IT'S AS BAD AS IT SOUNDS FROM EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED, THE ACTUAL INCIDENTS OF FAILURE TO DATE HAS BEEN RELATIVELY SMALL, AS I UNDERSTAND.
UM, I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, AND THEN I'D LIKE THE APPLICANT TO RESPOND TO GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT.
AM I MISTAKEN? I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME SEPARATION WITHIN THE BATTERY, WITHIN THE POD, THE BATTERY, SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE, UH, THE RUNAWAY ON ALL THE BATTERY PACKS.
AM I CORRECT ON THAT? THEORETICALLY, YES.
AND I CAN SHOW YOU, UH, A PICTURE IN A LITTLE BIT.
UH, UH, I'M GONNA TRY TO FIND THAT, UH, IF YOU ALLOW ME, BUT I CONFIRM THAT ONCE WE HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE ELSE ASKING A QUESTION, I'LL TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO FIND A PICTURE, OKAY.
JUST KEEP THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND.
ABSOLUTELY, BECAUSE YEAH, MR. GORDON'S QUESTION'S A VERY GOOD ONE.
OBVIOUSLY, IT'S A, IT'S A LOT BETTER IF IT'S ISOLATED THAN IF IT ISN'T ISOLATED.
AND, AND ARIZONA WAS A BIG THING AND IT WENT BOOM, OKAY? SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANNA HURT ANYBODY, OKAY? WE WANNA PROTECT OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, GOD, GOD BLESS 'EM, THAT WE NEED THEM, OKAY? AND THEY DO A GREAT JOB FOR US.
SO WE WANT TO SEE HOW WE CAN DO THIS SAFELY.
I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT YOU GET ABOUT, TRY TO
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KEEP IT WITHIN 20 MINUTES SO THAT WE HAVE TIME FOR DIALOGUE.WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THANKS AGAIN TO THE DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND CERTAINLY, UH, THE FIRE DISTRICT AND MR. BRODEN FOR HAVING SPENT, UH, CLEARLY A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO ANALYZE AND REVIEW OUR APPLICATION AND CAME UP WITH VERY, A VERY THOROUGH, UH, REVIEW.
SO, UH, HOPEFULLY I'LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS, UH, THOSE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS, UH, NOT NECESSARILY ALL IN THE ORDER IN THE, THAT YOU, YOU RAISED THEM OR IN THE LETTER, BUT LET ME FIRST, UH, START BY JUST GIVING A HIGH LEVEL HERE.
THE HIGH LEVEL IS THAT THE WAY, YOU KNOW, WE ARE THE APPLICANT HERE FOR A PROJECT, UH, FOR BEST, UM, AS YOU CALL IT.
UH, YOU KNOW, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, UH, LITHIUM-ION BATTERIES HAVE BEEN REVIEWED, APPROVED AT THE STATE LEVEL.
THE STATE HAS, UH, DEVELOPED A POLICY TO DEPLOY THESE IN A LARGE NUMBER.
IT HAS, HAS THE NYSERDA NUMBER OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, AGENCIES, AND SO ON TO, UH, FOLLOW ON THAT, UH, POLICY DEVELOP STANDARDS, SAFETY MECHANISMS, AND SO ON.
YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT UP TO MAZE AND I P P SOLAR TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO HEAR, UH, JUST, UH, JUSTIFY WHETHER IT'S A GOOD IDEA OR NOT TO GO WITH, UH, THESE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE JUST FOLLOWING WHATEVER IS ALLOWED.
AND, UH, THAT'S REALLY IT, YOU KNOW? SO IF IF THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO OUT THERE ARE AGAINST THIS, THEN YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO, TO, TO GO TO AND TO, TO, TO BRING THAT KIND OF CONCERN.
NOW, OF COURSE, THE TOWN HAS SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND RESOURCES IN THE PAST YEAR TO DEVELOP ITS OWN MODEL LAW, AND CERTAINLY, UH, MR. SCHWARTZ, YOU, UH, EXPLAINED THAT EARLIER ON.
IT'S BEEN INCREDIBLY, UH, COMPLEX PROCESS, VERY THOROUGH AS WELL, AND YOU HAVE DEVELOPED A VERY STRICT MODEL, STRICTER THAN CERTAINLY A LOT OF OTHER TOWNS OUT THERE, IF NOT THE STRICTEST.
UM, AND SO, UH, WITHIN THAT FRAMEWORK THAT WAS DEVELOPED, WE, WE, WE TRIED TO ENGAGE ALL THE VARIOUS, YOU KNOW, UH, STAKEHOLDERS AT THE TOWN LEVEL TO HOPEFULLY COME UP WITH A LOCATION THAT WAS, UH, DEEMED TO BE THE SAFEST.
UH, AND SO WE, WE WENT TO THE TWO SITES WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE AT THE, THE, THE COMMISSIONER AND CO HIS COLLEAGUES AND, AND SOME FOLKS AT THE, UH, FIRE DISTRICT AND THE LOCATIONS THAT WE PICKED, UH, WAS DEEMED TO BE THE BEST OUT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE OTHER POTENTIAL LOCATIONS AT THESE CENTERS.
AGAIN, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT IT WAS APPROVED BY THE FIRE DISTRICT, BUT THAT, THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH THAT LOCATION.
NOW, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WE ARE NOT, OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE THIS AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE, AS WELL.
WE WE'RE NOT THERE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO BUILD AN UNSAFE, UH, INSTALLATION.
AND, AND I THINK THE, THE KEY IDEA HERE IS THAT IN WHATEVER WE ARE PROPOSING IN OUR APPLICATION, WHETHER IT IS THE EMERGENCY PLAN OR ANY OTHER PLAN, IT IS NOT THE BIBLE.
UH, WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT, AND MR. GRONER HAS CERTAINLY A LOT OF EXPERTISE ON THE TOPIC.
AND JUST TAKE THE FIRE DISTRICT, UH, TEAM MEMBERS INPUT, AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE ALSO THE TOWN ENGINEER AND OTHER PEOPLE AT THE TOWN LEVEL, CON EDISON AND SIT DOWN, GO TO OUR, UH, EMERGENCY PLAN AND, UH, HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN AND, AND JUST LOOK AT THE SPECIFICS OF THESE, THESE TWO SITES AND SAY, LOOK, DO WE NEED TO ADAPT THESE PLANS SO THAT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, REALLY, UH, APPROPRIATE FOR WHAT WE HAVE HERE? AND IF WE NEED TO MAKE CHANGES THERE, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO.
SO, WHETHER IT IS TO PUT THE DISCONNECT SWITCHES AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION, UH, WHETHER IT IS TO PUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER BOXES OR, YOU KNOW, ANY OTHER DEVICE THAT COULD, UH, MAKE THIS INSTALLATION SAFER, WE ARE HAPPY TO DO, TO TAKE THAT INPUT AND WORK TOGETHER, UH, TO MAKE THAT, UH, INSTALLATION THE, THE SAFEST POSSIBLE INSTALLATION.
UM, YOU, UH, MR. GROAN, YOU BROUGHT UP SOME OTHER IMPORTANT ELEMENTS SUCH AS, UH, AGAIN, THE BALLARDS, AND, YOU KNOW, YES.
I ACTUALLY THINK THAT IF IT'S OKAY WITH EVERYONE, MAYBE WE SHOULD EVEN PUT, UH, YOU KNOW, A SPEED
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BUMP SO THAT NO CAR CAN EVEN GET NEAR THERE WITH, UH, MORE THAN A CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, SPEED.UH, THAT COULD BE A, A, A SOLUTION TO REALLY HAVE A, A, A, YOU KNOW, SLOW, UH, PLE, UH, LOW SPEED, UH, AROUND THE, THE, THE UNITS, UM, IN TERMS OF THE MONITORING.
AND I THINK THAT'S, AS YOU POINTED OUT, MR. GRUIN IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT FACTOR, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY OUR FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE.
WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS THAT, AGAIN, UH, WE'LL TAKE THE, UH, UH, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, THE MANUFACTURER TESLA IS MAKING AVAILABLE, THE WHOLE MONITORING, WE GIVE YOU ACCESS TO THAT SAME MONITORING.
YOU WILL HAVE, UH, AT SOMEONE'S DESK IN YOUR DEPARTMENT, WILL SEE EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON THERE.
UH, AND IT WILL BE THE SAME INFORMATION AS A TESLA IS GETTING.
AND, AND SO IF YOU WANNA TAKE ACTION, UH, RIGHT AWAY, OF COURSE THERE WILL, THERE WILL BE A NEED FOR SOME TRAINING, UH, WITH, UH, THE FOLKS AT TESLA, SO YOU KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO INTERPRET THOSE SIGNALS.
SO YOU CAN TAKE STEPS IMMEDIATELY.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO RELY ON TESLA OR ON, UH, I P P SOLAR OR ANYONE ELSE.
AND SAME FOR CALLING NUMBERS OR ANY OTHER ACTION YOU TELL US.
YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF FIRE FIRST RESPONSE.
SO, YOU KNOW, BEST WHAT, UH, WHAT SHOULD BE DONE, AND WE HA WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE YOUR INPUT IN THAT FRONT.
UM, AND REGARDING THE TRAINING, UH, I SAID IT, UH, SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE, UH, JUST LIKE WE DID FOR, WE DID IT FOR, UH, UH, OUR FRIENDS AT YORKTOWN HEIGHTS AND THE PROJECT WE DID THERE.
WE'LL BE HAPPY TO, UH, GET, UH, A PROFESSIONAL WHO NEED, WHO KNOWS THIS SPACE.
I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS PAUL ROGERS OR WHOEVER ELSE TO PROVIDE TRAINING TO, TO YOUR TEAM.
UH, AND THAT WAY THEY CAN BE, UH, YEAH, YEAH, THEY WILL KNOW GOOD KNOWLEDGE ABOUT HOW TO, TO ADDRESS ANY EMERGENCY SITUATION.
UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, YES, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT HAVING A REGULAR TRAINING, WHETHER IT'S ONCE A YEAR OR ONCE EVERY, UH, ONE EVERY OTHER YEAR, THAT COULD MAKE SENSE TOO.
AND WE CAN THO THINK ABOUT IT.
I THINK YOU WILL SEE OVER THE YEARS INSTALLATIONS WITH VARIOUS TECHNOLOGIES, UH, BEING DEPLOYED.
AND THAT'S ANOTHER IMPORTANT, UH, ELEMENT I WANTED TO UNDERLINE IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE INCIDENTS THAT WE ARE, UH, WE ARE DISCUSSING HERE THAT TOOK PLACE IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES OUT THERE.
UH, SOME PEOPLE INSTALL, UH, LITHIUM IRON INSIDE CONTAINERS, UH, WHERE PEOPLE CAN WALK IN.
THIS IS NOT THE INSTALLATION THAT WE ARE PROPOSING, THE TESLA MEGA PACK THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO INSTALL HERE.
UM, IT'S, UH, THERE IS, YOU CANNOT WALK INSIDE.
OF COURSE, IT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED AFTER A NUMBER OF, UH, YOU KNOW, INCIDENTS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, RESEARCH, UH, ALL KINDS OF ANALYSIS THAT WERE DONE TO BRING, UH, THE, THIS, THE MANUFACTURING TO A, THE HIGHER LEVEL OF SAFETY.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL A BIT LIKE COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGE.
YOU CANNOT COMPARE THIS, UH, THE TESTA MEGA PACK TO, UH, UH, UH, A, A BATTERY THAT WAS BUILT YEARS AGO.
AND SO, UH, AND I THINK THAT THE, THE TECHNOLOGY YOU HAVE NOW, UH, IT HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO BE EASILY DEPLOYABLE.
SO YOU JUST TO, AND I CAN SHOW YOU SOME PICTURE.
IT IS LITERALLY A BOX THAT THE CRANE WILL COME AND DROP, AND IT WILL TAKE MINUTES.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE DID OUR EURO PLAN INSTALLATION, IT WAS BROUGHT IN WITH A, WITH A FLATBED.
WE CRANE IT DOWN AND, AND THE, THE, THE DECOMMISSIONING WOULD BE DONE ALONG THE SAME WAY.
NOW, I AGREE WITH YOU, MR. GRODEN, UH, BEFORE THE DECOMMISSIONING TAKES PLACE, WE SHOULD HAVE A STEP IN WHICH SOMEONE, WHETHER IT IS A TOWN ENGINEER OR SOMEBODY IN YOUR DEPARTMENT, SOMEBODY CAN, UH, BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS OF DECOMMISSIONING SO THAT WE ARE NOT UNLOCKING STRANDED ENERGY.
UH, UM, THAT, UH, OBSERVATION TO, TO TAKE ACTION, UH, IN, IN, IN THAT WAY.
NOW, UH, I THINK THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU MENTIONED, UH, SUCH AS WHAT THE WATER SUPER, WE CAN'T TOUCH THE, WE CAN'T TOUCH THE UNIT.
WE CAN'T BRING ANYTHING INSIDE.
'CAUSE IT WILL NO LONGER HAVE THE WARRANTY OF THE MANUFACTURER.
AND, UH, AND IN TERMS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE HYDRANTS, YES, ABSOLUTELY, IT'S COMMON SENSE.
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UH, I'M NOT SURE WE ARE THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO, UH, TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS, BUT YES, ABSOLUTELY.UH, BUT WE CANNOT, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKE A HOLE THERE AND RUN, YOU KNOW, SOME PIPE TO WITH FOR WATER SUPPLY INSIDE THE BOX.
'CAUSE IT WOULD VIOLATE THE, UH, THE MANUFACTURERS WARRANTY.
I WANTED TO ALSO ADD THAT, UM, IN TERMS OF THE, THE PEER REVIEW, PERHAPS THIS IS ONE AREA THAT I MAY A LITTLE BIT DISAGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE, AND AGAIN, I MAY NOT HAVE SORT OF UNDERSTOOD IT THE WAY YOU WANT IT, BUT I HAVE, I'M UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE GOALPOST IS MOVED HERE.
AND THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE, THE TOWN TOOK A YEAR TO DEVELOP A MODEL LAW WITH A PROCESS UNDER WHICH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS, IS REVIEWED AND APPROVED, AND WE HAVE DONE WHAT WAS IN THE MODEL LAW, AND THAT'S HOW WE ARE PROPOSING OUR INSTALLATION.
IF SOME, NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE ARE TOLD THAT, WELL, YOU KNOW, SOME CONSULTANT CAN ALL OF A SUDDEN COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT, UH, APPRECIATION OF THIS INSTALLATION AND IT MAY FAIL, THEN YOU'RE MOVING THE GOALPOST.
UH, UNLESS I'M NOT GETTING THIS RIGHT.
AND, UM, I THINK I COVERED PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING IN TERMS OF THE, THE, THE P P E NOW, THE P P E, UM, YES, OF COURSE IT WOULD MAKE SENSE.
I DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHAT THE COST INVOLVED IS.
WE ARE HAPPY TO PAY FOR OUR FAIR SHARE OF IT.
I THINK THERE WILL BE PROBABLY MANY OTHER SUCH INSTALLATIONS IN THE TOWN, SMALL OR LARGE.
AND LET'S FIND A FORMULA WHERE EVERYONE, EVERY DEVELOPER LIKE US MAKES HIS FAIR, HIS FAIR CONTRIBUTION TO FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE FIRST SET.
AND THEN MAINTENANCE OF ALL THESE, UH, GEARS AND SO ON.
UM, I THINK, UM, I THINK I HAVE HOPEFULLY COVERED MOST OF THE POINTS.
IF I HAVE NOT, UH, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO, UH, COVER ANYTHING THAT I HAVE, UH, MISSED SO FAR.
UH, MR. GARDNER, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT MR. DEY DIDN'T ADDRESS, OR WHAT ARE THE OPEN ISSUES THAT HE HASN'T DE LEAST TOUCHED ON? WHOM DID YOU
UM, MR, I WAS JUST ASKING IF, IF, IF THERE ARE ANYTHING THAT HE DIDN'T AT LEAST TOUCH ON THAT YOU WANT JUST REINFORCE JUST VERY BRIEFLY, PLEASE.
I, I HAVE THREE POINTS, BUT I'D LIKE TO DEFER TO MIKE WHO HAS HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK.
FIRST THOUGHTLY, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND THESE, UH, REVIEW PROCESS.
IT'S, UH, IT WAS A VERY GOOD IDEA.
IT'S FAIR AND LOGICAL, BUT THIS WAS OUR FIRST REVIEW.
WE WANTED TO BE VERY THOROUGH.
SO WE APOLOGIZE FOR THE VERY DETAILED, BUT, UH, I JUST WANNA REINFORCE OUR POINT 20 ABOUT, UH, HAVING SOME KIND OF COST REIMBURSEMENT MECHANISM.
NOW, THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF THESE INCIDENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
I, I WOULD POINT TO AUSTRALIA, WHICH WAS A VERY MAJOR INCIDENT, AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS A TE TESLA MEGAPACK SYSTEM.
AND THEY HAVE EXTENDED OVER NUMEROUS STATES, FIVE, SEVEN DAYS.
SO FOR ME, POINT 20 IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL WITHOUT HAVING SOME KIND OF REASONABLE, UH, COST REIMBURSEMENT PROCEDURE.
THIS IS A UNFUNDED MANDATE FOR FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
AND I, I CAN'T APPROVE, UH, I CAN'T APPROVE A DEVELOPMENT THAT DOESN'T HAVE SOME KIND OF FAIR MECHANISM IN IT.
WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS ISSUE WITH, UH, MR. DUANE.
I THINK HE UNDERSTANDS THE, THE, THE BASIS OF WHY WE HAVE IT AND WHY IT'S NECESSARY.
AND, UH, FOR US, I THINK OF ALL THE POINTS MADE, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY THE MOST CRITICAL.
THANK, THANK YOU, MR. MR. FRIED.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR.
HOW ARE, DO WE EVEN HAVE JURISDICTION TO, TO DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT AS A PLANNING BOARD? AND ALSO WOULDN'T AN INSURANCE, WOULDN'T THAT BE PART OF AN INSURANCE POLICY TO REIMBURSE THE GREENVILLE FIRE FIRE DISTRICT? POSSIBLY? UH, YEAH.
I, I THINK, UH, WE SHOULD, UM, I'LL TALK WITH THE, UH, TOWN ATTORNEY.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT MAY REQUIRE A BOND.
AND I, AND THAT MAY BE WHAT, UH, THE FIRE DISTRICT IS, IS TALKING ABOUT.
UM, ALSO THERE'S, THERE WOULD BE INSURANCE.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I, I THINK I'LL LEAVE MY COMMENTS AT THAT AT THIS POINT.
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MR. SCHWARZ, I'M SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY.I'LL SAY AN INCIDENT THAT GOES ON FOR SIX DAYS, FOR EXAMPLE.
NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION.
I, I KNOW, I KNOW ABOUT THE, TRUST ME, WHEN WE, I WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN WRITING THE LAW ALONG WITH MR. DUCA.
MR. DECANE IS ACTUALLY THE AUTHOR.
BY THE WAY, FOR THE RECORD, IT ONLY TOOK FOUR MONTHS.
IT JUST SEEMED LIKE A YEAR WHEN WE WERE WORKING TOGETHER DOING IT.
BUT, BUT IT ONLY TOOK FOUR MONTHS.
UH, BUT DURING THAT FOUR MONTHS, WE DID A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE.
I MEAN, WE KNEW A LOT OF THE THINGS YOU PUT IN YOUR, IN YOUR, UH, ANALYSIS.
WE KNEW ABOUT THE 3000 GALLONS OF WATER.
WE KNEW ALL ABOUT THOSE THINGS.
WE KNEW ABOUT BEING AWAY FROM, FROM OTHER FLAMMABLE THI THINGS, WHICH IS WHY OUR LAW IS ACTUALLY FURTHER AWAY FROM THE BUILDING THAN ANY LAW THAT I KNOW OF IN, IN NEW YORK, GARRETT.
AND CLEARLY MORE THAN NYSERDA RECOMMENDED.
IT'S FOR, WE, OUR SETBACKS ARE MUCH FURTHER THAN ANYBODY ELSE THAT ANY MUNICIPAL WE'VE SEEN SO FAR.
GO LOOK AT THE ELMER LAW, FOR EXAMPLE, COMPARED TO OUR LAW.
UM, SO, BUT, BUT THERE'S SOME VERY GOOD POINTS RAISED.
AND I, I'M HOPING WE CAN COME, COME TO AN AGREEMENT THERE.
I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION BEFORE.
I JUST WANNA OPEN UP TO THE, TO THE REST OF THE BOARD AND, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOME DIALOGUE.
WE'VE GOT ABOUT 20 MINUTES LEFT AND WE ARE GONNA HARD STOP AT 8 45 'CAUSE WE HAVE ANOTHER BIG PROJECT TONIGHT, I THINK WITH A DECOMMISSIONING PLAN.
MR. SIMON, YOU, YOU AND I BOTH BEEN THROUGH THIS IN OUR CBA DAYS.
UM, I WOULDN'T SUSPECT THE D E C WOULD HAVE TO BE INVOLVED IN THE DECOMMISSIONING.
YOU NEED A CLOSURE PLAN, WOULDN'T YOU? YES, I I, I WOULD THINK SO, BECAUSE THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT HAPPENED WITH GAS STATIONS AND SO FORTH, RIGHT? SO YOU, YOU PROBABLY WOULD AT THE TIME OF DECOMMISSIONING, HAVE TO GO TO THE D E C AND GET A, AND, AND SUBMIT A CLOSURE PLAN, I, I BELIEVE, ANYWAY, WHICH GIVES YOU ANOTHER LEVEL OF COMFORT.
I, I THINK HAVING BEEN THROUGH THAT, THAT'S AN ARDUOUS PROCESS.
UH, IF I MAY, UH, TO THE APPLICANT MADE, UH, THREE POINTS THAT HE WANTED, UH, A RESPONSE ON, I UNDERSTAND I COMMISSIONER RAPP, CHIEF DELARA AND I ON ONLY CONCERNED WITH THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT.
I UNDERSTAND THERE MAY BE MORE OF THESE THINGS PUT IN OTHER AREAS OF THE TOWN.
I UNDERSTAND YOU AN ISSUE OF YOUR FAIR SHARE.
UH, OUR CONCERN IS IF WE NEED TO RESPOND TO THIS THING, WE NEED CERTAIN, UH, ITEMS THAT WE BROUGHT UP, METERING IN PARTICULAR.
UH, SO WE CAN IMMEDIATELY ESTABLISH IF THERE ARE HAZARDOUS PRODUCTS OF COMBUSTION.
THESE THINGS WHEN THEY BURN, GIVE OFF HYDROGEN CYANIDE, CARBON MONOXIDE, COMBUSTIBLE GASES IN LEVELS THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY DANGEROUS TO LIFE AND HEALTH.
AND THOSE LEVELS CAN EXTEND SUBSTANTIAL DISTANCES FROM THE BATTERY ITSELF.
IN THE EVENT IN ARIZONA, THEY WERE MEASURED AT OVER A HUNDRED FEET AWAY.
MR. GAR, THIS HAS BEEN, ACTUALLY, THIS WAS ADDRESSED WITH THE ROOF.
SO I, WE DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
OBVIOUSLY THE THERE HAS TO BE THERE.
THAT'S WHY THE, THE ISSUE OF P PROPER P P E CAME UP IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE, OKAY.
I KNOW THAT THERE ARE NOXIOUS GASES COMING OFF.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO NOW, UH, WE'VE GOT ABOUT, EXCUSE ME, MR. SCHWARTZ, I HAVE THE PICTURE IF YOU WANT ME TO SHOW EVERYONE.
YEAH, COULD, COULD YOU DO THAT FIRST AND THEN I WANT, I WANT TO ABSOLUTELY GIVE THE PLANNING BOARD CHANCE AFTER THAT SHARE.
SO THIS IS ABOUT AN INSTALLATION OF A TESLA MEGA A A TESLA POWER PACK, WHICH WAS INSTALLED AT THE BEHIND THE HOME DEPOT, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY FOUR YEARS AGO.
SO IT'S AN, HOW LARGE IS THAT? HOW LARGE IS THAT, MR. GLY? IT'S
UH, THIS IS, THIS IS A POWER PACK.
IS THIS ONE IS THE SIZE OF, UH, LET'S SAY A VERY BIG REFRIGERATOR.
SO, SO YOU HAVE, SO, SO, BUT THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE SORT OF, THE ARCHITECTURE IS THE SAME BECAUSE IN A MEGA PACK, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SEVERAL OF THESE SORT OF COLUMNS IN THERE.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE, YOU HAVE HERE SOME SORT OF, UH, PODS OR DRAWERS.
AND YOU'LL HAVE, UH, YOU, YOU CAN SEE THE WIRING.
EVERY SINGLE OF THESE PODS HAS A NUMBER OF CELLS THERE.
UH, JUST, IT'S A LOT OF, LIKE THESE AAA BATTERIES YOU HAVE IN YOUR REMOTE CONTROL, UH, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER.
AND THESE PODS ARE FILLED WITH THOSE BATTERIES, AND THEY ARE ALL MONITORED.
YOU CAN SEE THE, THE WIRES HERE.
SO THEY SEND A SIGNAL 24 7, UH, ONLINE.
SO WE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO GIVE, UH, THE FIRE DISTRICT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THAT SAME
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MONITOR.IN FACT, WE HAVE IT FOR OUR OWN INSTALLATION IN YORKTOWN.
AND YOU WILL SEE REALLY ALL THE DATA IN THERE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON FOR EVERY SINGLE CELL.
AND THEN WE CAN AGREE ON, ON MEASURES OR STEPS TO BE TAKEN IN THE EVENT OF A PARTICULAR SIGNAL IS, UH, IS, UH, IS TRIGGERED.
SO, MR. DULA THOUGH, I THINK THE QUESTION FOR MR. GRODEN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MR. GRODEN OKAY.
YOU HAVE SEVERAL MEGA PACKS IN, IN THIS INSTALLATION, CORRECT? WAS IT SIX, I THINK? IS IT SIX? NO, WE HAVE ONLY ONE.
UH, WE HAVE TWO MEGA PACKS IN EACH OF THOSE TWO SITES, CORRECT.
SO THE QUESTION HERE IS, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT THERE WAS NO REAL SEPARATION BETWEEN THEM.
SO YOU COULD HAVE THERMAL RUNAWAY WITHIN THAT MEGA PACK.
IS THAT, IS THAT A REASONABLE ASSUMPTION OR AM I WRONG? ACTUALLY, UH, I WOULD LIKE, IS IT OKAY IF I BRING IN OUR ENGINEER DAMIEN HERE, SO THAT HE CAN POTENTIALLY ADDRESS THAT? DAMIAN, CAN YOU, UH, UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? HIS BATTERY RAN OUT.
IF, IF I CAN, IF I CAN OFFER SOMETHING CHAIR.
UH, THE, THE MEGA PACKS CONFORMED TO A STANDARD CALLED UL 95 40 A, WHICH WAS DESIGNED AFTER THE EVENTS OF THE SURPRISE ARIZONA INCIDENT.
THE DESIGNED INHERENTLY IS INTENDED TO TRY TO CONTAIN THE THERMAL RUNAWAY TO A TRAY, TO A POD, TO A RACK, WITHOUT HAVING IT TO IT TO EXTEND.
SO YOUR, YOUR POINT IS YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.
SO THEY'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT TOGETHER.
HAVE WE HAD FIRE EXPERIENCE IN THE REAL WORLD THAT PROVES THAT THAT DESIGN WORKS? THAT HASN'T HAPPENED EXACTLY AS YET.
HOWEVER, THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THE DESIGN.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD FOR, UH, QUESTIONS.
UH, COULD YOU TAKE THAT DOWN? 'CAUSE I CAN'T SEE EVERYBODY, UH, MR. TAKE, TAKE THAT PICTURE DOWN.
UH, ANYBODY FROM THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? MR. SIMON? IS IT YOU RAISING YOUR HAND? GO AHEAD.
THE FIRST ONE, UH, APPLIES TO PEER REVIEW.
NOW, IN DEVELOPING THE LAW, WE, AS THE CHAIR SAID, WE CON HAD MANY, UH, UH, PEOPLE WE CONSULTED S IN NYSERDA, OUR INDEPENDENT, UH, UH, CONSULTED WITH THE IDEA OF THE LAW ITSELF TAKES IN THE INPUT OF PROFESSIONALS OR PEERS, AND WE BUILD THAT INTO THE LAW.
NOW, WHEN IT CAME TO DECOMMISSION AND FIRE SAFETY, WE INTENTIONALLY LEFT THAT BROAD WITH INTENT OF BRINGING IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO FILL IN THOSE, UH, THE SPECIFICS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO FILL IN THE SPECIFICS THAT WE NEVER, UH, WASN'T OUR INTENT TO BRING IT, THAT THAT WAS THE ROLE OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND THAT'S WHY EARLY ON BACK IN NOVEMBER, WE SENT IT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, FOR, SO, BUT RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING WE RECOGNIZED THE IMPORTANCE OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT INPUT.
WITH THAT SAID, YOU HAVE THE APPLICANT WHO HAVE READ THROUGH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CONCERNS AND THE APPLICANT SAY, I HAVE NO PROBLEM SITTING DOWN WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WITH APPROPRIATE REPRESENTATION FROM THE TOWN BOARD, WHETHER IT, UH, THE COMMISSION, THE TEAM WANT TO BE THEIR REPRESENTATIVE, OR, OR HE WANT TO EXPEND EXTEND THAT TO THE BILLINGS DEPARTMENT, WHATEVER.
BUT YOU HAVE THE APPLICANT, YOU HAVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND REPRESENTATION FROM THE TOWN WHO TO SIT DOWN AND WORK OUT THE PARTICULARS.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY OBJECTION FROM THE APPLICANT THAT THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO WORK WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND TO ADDRESS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CONCERNS.
OBVIOUSLY, THE ISSUE OF, UM, OF, UH, UH, OF, UH, A BOND OR, OR TO HAVE THE SEC THE FINANCIAL SECURITY, THAT'S NOTHING, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT CAN ADDRESS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN HAS TO ADDRESS.
BUT ALL OF THE TECHNICAL ISSUES, IT SEEMED TO ME, IT, WE HAVE ALL THE MAKINGS OF, OF WORKING OUT SOMETHING,
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OF FILLING IN THE SPECIFIC OF THE APPLICATION.SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT SHOULD BE THAT ONE OF THE OUTCOMES OF TONIGHT'S MEETING THAT, UH, WE FORMED THIS TRIUMPHANT TO WORK OUT THE DETAILS, UH, OF, OF THE PLAN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. MR. SIMON.
YES, YOU ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT, UH, IN AGREEMENT WITH, UH, WHAT YOU SAID, AND WE'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SIT DOWN, UH, AND WITH MR. GRODEN AND HIS TEAM, AND, UH, LOOK, UH, WE WENT THROUGH THIS EXERCISE WITH YORKTOWN.
WE LEARNED SO MUCH, AND THAT MADE OUR APPLICATION A BETTER APPLICATION.
SO IF WE SIT DOWN WITH MR. GRODEN, OUR, UH, APPLICATION FOR FUTURE PROJECTS WOULD BECOME EVEN BETTER.
WE ARE, WE, WE CAN LEARN A LOT FROM MR. GRODEN.
I WOULD BE HAPPY TO, UH, GO TO THAT EXERCISE.
WE HAVE ABOUT 10 MINUTES LEFT AND I WANT TO GET, GET COMMENTS IN FROM THE REST OF THE PLANNING BOARD FIRST.
AND I'D ALSO LIKE MR. MCCAIN TO COMMENT AT ONE POINT, MR. HAY, YOU WERE FIRST THEN MS. REEK.
UH, THERE WAS ONE POINT IN THE LETTER FROM GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT, UM, THAT I HAD NOT CONSIDERED.
AND I THINK, UH, I FOUND, UH, IMPORTANT.
ONE OF THE ISSUES BROUGHT UP IN THE ARIZONA INCIDENT, UM, A A FEW YEARS BACK WAS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON.
THEY HAD NO WAY TO, TO MEASURE WHAT WAS GOING ON INSIDE THE CASING.
NOW, YOU KNOW, NEW SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE, MORE ROBUST MONITORING SYSTEMS, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IN THE, IF THERE'S AN EVENT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT, DO THOSE OP DO THOSE, UM, SYSTEMS STILL WORK? AND I THINK THE MR. GRODEN HAD SAID, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU, DOES IT SEPARATE THE SYSTEM FROM THE GRID IN THE EVENT OF A, A LARGE INCIDENT? AND IF SO, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? HOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT'S INSIDE? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS ADDRESSED AT SOME POINT IN THE PROCESS WHEN WORKING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WELL, AS I HAD INDICATED EARLIER, I THINK, UH, THE KEY WILL BE TO, UH, TO HAVE THE MON, THE 24 7 MONITORING SYSTEM MADE AVAILABLE, UH, TO, TO THE FIRE DISTRICT AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE FIRE DISTRICT TEAM MEMBERS ARE IN FULL UNDERSTANDING OF ALL THE DIFFERENT SIGNALS THAT ARE SENT TO THAT SCREEN AND THAT THEY CAN THEN TAKE ACTION BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THEY SEE ON THAT SCREEN.
YOU KNOW, IRRESPECTIVE OF, OF WHAT WE ARE, WE ARE DOING ON OUR SIDE.
MR. ULA, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU RELATED FOLLOWING UP WITH, UH, MR. HAY, THEN I WANNA GO TO MS. FRY TAG, AND I SEE MR. GRODEN, YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP AND WE'RE GONNA RUN OUTTA TIME HERE VERY SHORTLY.
UM, THE COMMUNICA, JUST BECAUSE YOU COME OFF THE GRID FROM AN ELECTRIC ELECTRICAL POINT OF VIEW, DOESN'T MEAN THE COMMUNICATION SYSTEM GO DOWN, DOWN THOSE TWO SEPARATE THINGS, AREN'T THEY? YES, THEY ARE.
WELL, SO YOU, THE COMMUNICATION SYSTEM COULD STILL RUN EVEN IF, IF YOU'RE OFF THE GRID WITH THE BATTERIES.
YES, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE REDUNDANCIES.
UH, ACTUALLY, UM, I HOPE THE DAMIEN'S, UH, BATTERY IS RECHARGED SO HE CAN, UH, COME IN BECAUSE HE KNOWS THE, THE TECHNICAL DETAILS BETTER THAN I, UH, HE KNOWS IT BETTER THAN I DO.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME REDUNDANCIES OF COURSE.
BUT ONE THING THAT WE HAVE DONE, FOR EXAMPLE, AT YORKTOWN, WE HAVE ADDED AN INFRARED CAMERA THAT IS COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT FROM THE, THE TESLA, UH, SYSTEM ITSELF.
SO IF THAT DOES GO SOMETHING, IT DOESN'T WORK THERE.
THE INFRARED CAMERA IS, UH, DETECTING, UH, EVENTS AND YOU COULD ALSO ADD A RADIO TRA YOU COULD POSSIBLY ADD A RADIO TRANSMITTER OR TRANSMIT THE DATA TOO.
ON THOSE FOLLOW MS. F*G, I WANNA GO TO MS. F*G AND THEN I WANNA GO TO MS. MS. GRODEN, AND I REALLY WANT GARRETT TO SAY A COUPLE OF WORDS AND THEN I NEED, I, I WANT TO COME TO CLOSURE FOR TONIGHT AND WHAT I THINK ARE THE NEXT STEPS, MS. RETAG.
I WANTED TO SPEAK IN TERMS OF TRAINING.
UM, I KNOW THAT IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, WE DO A LOT OF MUTUAL AID AND I WOULD LIKE TO ENSURE THAT WHEN WE GET TO TRAINING, WHICH THEY'VE ALREADY AGREED, COULD
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BE AN ONGOING THING THAT WE INCLUDE THE OTHER FIRE DISTRICTS IN THE TRAINING PROCESS, THAT THEY ARE TRAINED AS WELL.BECAUSE IF THERE IS A LARGE INCIDENT, THEY WILL BE CALLED UPON TO HELP TO RELIEVE GREENVILLE, AND I WANT THEM TO BE UP TO SNUFF AS WELL.
AND ADDITIONALLY, THERE WILL BE OF COURSE, TERMS WHEN THESE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS SPREAD OUT TO THEIR AREAS AND THAT THEY'RE TRAINED AT THE SAME TIME THAT THEY'RE INCLUDED WITH THIS.
MR. GRODEN, PLEASE, MR. GRODEN.
MR. GRODEN, PLEASE BE BRIEF, BUT GO AHEAD.
UH, WE'RE GETTING INTO SOME INTERESTING TERRITORY HERE, WHICH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT YOU ON.
WE ARE ASKED TO PROVIDE COMMENTARY TO THE PLANNING BOARD RELATIVE TO YOUR WORK TO EVALUATE THIS APPLICATION.
OUR REQUESTS ARE MADE TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO PLACE THEM BEFORE THE APPLICANT, AND SEVERAL TIMES, AND SEVERAL DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE INDICATED THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE PROVIDING GUIDANCE AND SUPPORT IN EFFECT TO THE APPLICANT THAT IS GONNA EXTEND A LEVEL OF LIABILITY TO THE FIRE DISTRICT THAT WE, I DON'T BELIEVE ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT.
WE CAN'T MONITOR THE APPLICANT'S SYSTEM FOR THEM.
UH, WE CAN'T PROVIDE SOME CERTAIN, UH, GUIDANCES THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, IMPLIED HERE, UH, FOR THEM.
WE'RE HAPPY TO SIT AT A MEETING AND PROVIDE COMMENTARY, BUT THERE IS A LINE WE'RE NOT GONNA GO PAST.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO DO A PEER REVIEW.
IT'S AN EXISTING ELEMENT OF THE STATE, UH, ISHA STANDARD AND THE NATIONAL STANDARD.
IT HAS BEEN THERE CONTINUALLY.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DONE.
AND WE'RE, WE KEEP INDICATING, UH, MULTIPLE PLAYERS OF INDICATING, AND I RESPECT THE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO GIVE GUIDANCE, BUT AS SOON AS WE, WE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GIVE GUIDANCE TO THE APPLICANT, WE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ASSUME A CERTAIN LEVEL OF LIABILITY.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANNA DO THAT.
UH, I, I, I IN ONE, IN ONE HAND WANT TO PROVIDE AND MAKE THIS A SAFE SYSTEM, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, I DON'T WANNA EXPOSE THE COMMUNITY TO A LEVEL OF LIABILITY THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE, UH, ENTERING THERE.
WERE, THERE ARE WAYS AROUND THAT TOO.
BUT THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENT.
MR. DUANE, COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN, UH, WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'VE BEEN DOING BEHIND THE SCENES AND, AND, AND FOR US AND ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOU MAY HAVE.
'CAUSE I WANT TO TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS.
UM, NOW FIRST I WANNA THANK THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT FOR THEIR PARTICIPATION THROUGHOUT, UM, THE, THERE WAS A LOT OF MEETINGS THAT OCCURRED EVEN BEFORE, UH, THE APPLICANT CAME THROUGH WITH A FORMAL, UH, SUBMISSION.
CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, BY CODE THERE HAS TO BE A MEETING.
AND THAT MEETING OCCURRED IN SEPTEMBER.
BUT THERE WERE EVEN MEETINGS, UM, PRIOR TO THAT WHERE WE MET ON SITE AND GOT SOME GOOD FEEDBACK.
AND I CAN, UH, ASSURE THE BOARD THAT HAD THE GREENVILLE FIRE DEPARTMENT OPTED TO NOT PARTICIPATE IN, OR GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT OPTED TO NOT PARTICIPATE AND INDICATED THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN APPROVE WHATEVER THE TOWN FEELS APPROPRIATE.
I THINK THE APPLICATION THAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW WOULD BE, UH, FAR DIFFERENT.
SO I THINK, UM, THE APPLICATION IS MUCH IMPROVED BASED ON THE INPUT OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THE ONLY OTHER THING I THINK THAT'S, UH, WORTH MENTIONING IS YES, I, I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE A FEW AREAS WHERE IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO, UH, BRING IN A CONSULTANT JUST TO REALLY ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE BEST, UM, APPLICATION POSSIBLE HERE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THAT CONSULTANT WILL CERTAINLY NOT BE, UH, DEBATING WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, BEST IS APPROPRIATE ON CENTRAL AVENUE IN A PARKING LOT.
UM, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE THEIR, THEIR MISSION.
UH, THEIR MISSION IS GOING TO BE, YEAH, TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, CLOSE LOOK AT THE DECOMMISSIONING PLAN, THINK ABOUT, UH, CONDITIONING THAT IS APPROPRIATE, USING THEIR EXPERTISE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BEING A LIAISON BETWEEN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE APPLICANT, THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, SO I THINK THEIR SCOPE WILL BE VERY CONCENTRATED AND WE WILL CERTAINLY, UH, WORK WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO, TO, TO HONE IN ON, ON THOSE, THOSE AREAS OF, OF, OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE, UH, AND THAT, THAT THE PLANNING BOARD IDENTIFIES AS WELL.
SO, UM, YES, WE, WE HAVE MEETINGS SET UP.
UH, WE WILL BE SPEAKING TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT THAT.
AND, UM, I, I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK HERE AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE BOARD AND EVERYONE'S PARTICIPATION, INCLUDING THE APPLICANT WHO HAS, UH, REALLY, YOU KNOW, MADE A LOT OF, UH, GOOD, GOOD CHANGES TO THE APPLICATION THROUGHOUT.
I JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS.
UM, I DO THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE, I THINK WALTER SUGGESTION WAS A GOOD ONE AND, UM, UH, WALTER SIMON AND, AND, UH, MR. GRODEN, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN AS WELL, BUT, UM, I THINK HAVING SOME KIND OF SUMMIT MEETING THAT MR. DUANE WOULD INCLUDE YOU, MR. GRODEN, UM, THE APPLICANT, AND IF
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YOU BELIEVE IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THE CONSULTANT IN THAT MEETING, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.IF, IF THAT MAKES SENSE, SO THAT WE CAN COME UP.
I THINK A LOT OF THE, A LOT OF THIS SOUNDS LIKE IT'S ADDRESSABLE.
MOST OF IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S ADDRESSABLE.
DAVE, UH, FREED HAS TO, WOULD, CAN ANSWER SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE INSURANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I'D LIKE TO GET ALL THOSE ANSWERS.
AND I'D LIKE TO, TO TRY TO TIGHTEN THIS UP BECAUSE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS ARE JUST, LET'S FILL OUT THE FORM.
LET'S JUST BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, LET'S BE MORE ROBUST ON THE EMERGENCY PLAN.
LIKE, WHO'S GONNA BE CALLED, HOW ARE THEY GONNA BE COMMUNICATED? SEE IF, SEE IF THE, THE FIRE DISTRICT IS, IS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
I I WOULD HOPE THAT, THAT THE CHIEF AND MR. GRODEN AND MR. RAP WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH DO WITH THAT KIND OF CONVERSATION.
NOT ASKING 'EM TO PUT THEIR SIGNATURE ON ANYTHING.
THEY'RE JUST, JUST TO, TO SAY, YEAH, THIS, THAT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU DID THIS FOR US.
IDENTIFYING, I DO KNOW, I DO BELIEVE THAT YOU DO NEED BREATHING APPARATUS.
I, I'M, I AM CONFIDENT OF THAT, MR. GRODEN.
THE QUESTION IS HOW MANY, OKAY.
SO YOU COULD BE HELPFUL THERE TOO.
HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY YOU NEED FOR, FOR YOUR TEAM.
OKAY, THERE, UM, JUST SO WE HAVE THAT ALL OUT, I'D LIKE TO GET ALL THAT DONE IF POSSIBLE IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.
UM, AND COME BACK TO THIS MEETING TWO WEEKS FROM, ACTUALLY, IT'S LESS THAN TWO WEEKS.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S ONLY 12 DAYS 'CAUSE THERE'S A CON A SCHEDULING CONFLICT WHERE ON MONDAY INSTEAD OF ON WEDNESDAY, THE NEXT MEETING.
BUT I'D LIKE TO ATTEMPT TO DO THAT AND DO IT IN A COMBINED WORK SESSION AND PUBLIC HEARING OKAY.
AT THE SAME TIME TO SEE IF WE CAN GET ALL THIS RESOLVED BY THE END OF THE NEXT MEETING.
THAT'S MY GOAL, WOULD BE THE GOAL.
SO MR. MR. DUANE AND, AND MR. SCHMIDT, I CHARGE YOU WITH COORDINATING THIS WITH THE, UH, PARTIES THAT, UH, BE OKAY.
AND I REALLY THANK EVERYBODY FOR THE COOPERATION TONIGHT.
I, I APPRECIATE THE FRANK CONVERSATION ON BOTH SIDE, BOTH SIDES.
IF, IF, UH, I CAN BE OF ANY ASSISTANCE, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING, YOU COULD FIND THAT OUT TONIGHT.
BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE COULD DO, GARRETT, GARRETT DOES.
GARRETT KNOWS THE LAW AND, AND IS GOOD AT DOING THESE THINGS AND THIS IS THE BEST WAY FOR US TO COOPERATE AND GET THIS THING DONE.
OKAY? ANY, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT MR. GROIN? IS IT POSSIBLE TO SET UP A MEETING BETWEEN NOW LIKE NEXT WEEK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? IS THAT GONNA BE POSSIBLE? I, I KNOW I'M GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM 'CAUSE I'M GOING TO BE OUT OF TOWN FOR A FEW DAYS.
UH, HOW ABOUT THE CHIEF? UH, UH, AND I THINK THAT THE THREE OF US WILL PROBABLY TRY TO PARTICIPATE, UH, 'CAUSE THIS TREADS ON SOME INTERESTING GROUND FOR US.
I ALSO HAVE TO REVIEW THIS CONVERSATION WITH OUR BOARD AT OUR MEETING COMING UP.
UH, AND I BELIEVE A WEEK AND A HALF.
UH, SO WE CAN SEE WHERE WE ARE.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR INTENT IS.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
BUT, UH, WE ARE JUST TWO MEMBERS OF A BOARD OF FIVE.
WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AGREEMENT AND CONCURRENCE, UH, AND SEE HOW THEY WOULD LIKE US TO PROCEED.
MR. GORDON, WE'RE MEETING ON ZOOM.
AND OR UNTIL THE END OF THE MONTH.
AND WE HAVE PEOPLE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AT THE MOMENT ON THIS CALL TONIGHT.
UM, TWO OF WHICH, UH, TWO AND A HALF OF WHICH ARE ON VACATION.
I THINK
UM, BUT, UH, BUT THREE ARE ON VACATION, BUT THEY'RE HERE.
THIS IS IMPORTANT TO TRY TO KEEP THIS GOING AND I WOULD HATE TO HAVE TO DELAY IT AGAIN AS IT IS.
JUST THE FACT THAT OF OUR SCHEDULE IS A BEAR RIGHT NOW.
AND I REALLY DON'T WANNA BACK THIS UP ANY FURTHER THAN, THAN I HAVE TO.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD APPRECIATE AT LEAST GETTING ON THE HORN WITH YOUR OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, UM, AND AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND LETTING ME KNOW IF IT'S EVEN POSSIBLE TO HAVE THAT SUMMIT MEETING BEFORE THEN.
IF NOT, I'M GONNA HAVE TO DELAY IT.
I DON'T, I'D PREFER NOT TO HAVE TO DELAY IT AT AFTER THE 14TH.
'CAUSE I THINK WE, MAYBE WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS AND I THINK THE APPLICANT'S WILLING TO MEET YOU MORE THAN HALFWAY AND ADDRESS AND IN ADDRESSING THESE COMMENTS.
SO I'D RATHER GET THIS DONE IF WE POSSIBLY AT ALL CAN IN TIME FOR THAT MEETING ON THE 12TH.
I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A BOARD MEETING SCHEDULED FOR THE NINTH.
I WILL TRY TO GET SOMETHING OUT TO MY BOARD, UH, SO I CAN TRY TO GET A SENSE OF WHERE THEY'RE AT WITH REGARD TO THIS.
AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW HOW THINGS STAND AS SOON AS YOU CAN, MR. GROIN.
I UNDER, I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND IT'S SO SOMETIMES DIFFICULT TO GET EVERYBODY TOGETHER.
AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT CASE.
SO GOODNIGHT TO GREENVILLE FIRE
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DISTRICT.MR. DUQUE DISTRICT, NOT DEPARTMENT.
GOODNIGHT, UH, MR. LY AND MR. BOARD.
NOW, NOW FOR OUR LAST, WE'RE GONNA SPEND THE NEXT HOUR AND 15 MINUTES TONIGHT.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HARD STOP AT 10 ON THE ELMWOOD PRESERVE.
AND BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GO INTO THE COMMENTS, WE'RE, UM, I DID WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS.
'CAUSE I, I ACTUALLY WANTED TO DIRECT SOME OF THIS DIRECTLY TO YOU.
UM, I JUST WANTED YOU TO GET A, A SENSE FOR WHAT OUR SCHEDULE IS OKAY.
AND EXPLAIN, JUST SO YOU KNOW, KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE, WE SAW THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME TWO WEEKS AGO, FRIDAY OKAY.
OR TWO WEEKS AGO, THURSDAY, WE ACTUALLY MOVED UP OUR FIRST MEETING ON THE F A A SS, IT WAS ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO BE FOR TONIGHT.
WE ACTUALLY MOVED IT UP TO WEEKS OKAY.
TO TRY TO KEEP THIS THING ON TRACK.
THE WAY IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW IS WE HAD THAT MEETING WHERE I THOUGHT WE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS.
I'M HOPING TONIGHT THE GOAL TONIGHT IS TRY TO GET THE, THE OPEN QUESTIONS ANSWERED FOR THE PLANNING BOARD SO THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING WE HAVE, UH, WE CAN, UH, FORMULATE THE, EITHER THE RECOMMENDATIONS OR FINDINGS.
I'M STILL NOT SURE IF THEY'RE JUST GONNA BE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD FINDINGS OR A COMBINATION.
IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHERE WE COME OUT.
THERE MAY BE SOME THAT ARE, IT, IT REALLY DEPENDS WHETHER THE, THE TOWN BOARD ACCEPTS OUR, OUR, OUR, WHAT WE SAY, WHETHER IT'S A RECOMMENDATION OR FINDING.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA FORMULATE THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
PUT IT TO PEN, AND WE'LL DISCUSS THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING, HOW THAT WILL BE PUT TO PEN.
AND THEN THE FINAL DRAFT WILL BE APPROVED AT WHAT'S IN OUR FIRST APRIL MEETING'S AT THE SIXTH, UH, AARON, CORRECT? YES.
ON APRIL 6TH, WE HAVE SENT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU AWARE OF IT, MR. UH, STEINS.
UM, WE HAVE HAVE SENT A NOTE TO THE TOWN BOARD REQUESTING THEY DISCUSS WITH YOU AN EXTENSION OF THE, THE, THE 30 DAY TIME LIMIT, UH, FROM THE DAY THE F A S IS ACCEPTED WAS ACCEPTED.
BECAUSE AS OF NOW, THE TIME, THE TIME WOULD BE MARCH 9TH.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE AS A PROMISE TO YOU IS THAT WE WILL HAVE OUR FINDING, ASSUMING YOU COULD ACCEPT THIS EXTENSION, WE WILL HAVE OUR FINDINGS.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE TOWN BOARD.
WE WILL HAVE OUR FINDINGS DONE ON APRIL 6TH.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE 'EM DONE BY THEN.
SO I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU TALKING TO THE TOWN BOARD.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF THERE'S ANY ISSUE WITH THAT SOONER THAN LATER.
BECAUSE WE, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAD A PACKED SCHEDULE.
WE HAD TO MOVE IT UP TO NIGHT TO EVEN GET THIS CONVERSATION IN AND HAVE A TIME TO DO IT.
SO I, I WOULD APPRECIATE IF, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH OUR TIMING, I I NEED TO KNOW AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT WOULD, I DON'T WANT TO DISRUPT OTHER PROJECTS.
IT'S NOT FAIR TO EVERYBODY ELSE.
I'M, I'M REALLY TRYING TO EXPEDITE YOU TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.
SO, SO LET ME REACT AND MR. CHAIRMAN, AFTER ALL THESE YEARS, YOU ALWAYS CALLED ME DAVID.
YOU'RE STILL PERMITTED TO CALL ME DAVID, EVEN THOUGH NOW YOU'RE THE CHAIRMAN.
I, I I WON'T CALL YOU HUGH IF YOU DON'T WANT, UH, YOU CAN.
WE'VE KNOWN EACH OTHER LONG ENOUGH, SIR.
SO, UM, SO LET ME REACT TO THE, TO THE SCHEDULE.
OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE TOWN BOARD IS GONNA CONDUCT, UM, ITS PUBLIC HEARING ON THE F E I S NEXT WEDNESDAY NIGHT THE NINTH.
UM, AS WE, AS I THINK YOU ALL KNOW, UH, A PUBLIC HEARING ON, ON AN F E I SS IS NOT A MANDATE.
WE'RE NOT SURPRISED IT'S BEING DONE.
WE TOTALLY THINK IT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD IDEA GIVEN ALL THE, GIVEN ALL THE CIRCUMSTANCES, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT, WE WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE THAT HEARING TO BE CONDUCTED.
AND ASSUMING PEOPLE HAVE THE CHANCE TO MAKE THEIR COMMENTS THAT NIGHT, TO CONDUCT IT AND CLOSE IT, AS I ASSUME YOU ALSO KNOW, AND KAREN AND GARRETT AND AARON COULD PROBABLY CONFIRM THIS ON THE FLY.
C QL REQUIRES THAT A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD BE LEFT OPEN AFTER, UH, A WRITTEN PUBLIC COMMENT IN 10 DAYS, I BELIEVE.
AND SO IF FOR SOME REASON, AS A RESULT OF YOUR SCHEDULE, THAT 10 DAY PERIOD NEEDS TO BE EXTENDED OUT LONGER, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION NOW THAT, THAT OKAY.
THAT, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S EFFECTIVELY HUGH, WHAT YOU WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME IS, YOU KNOW, LET THE TOWN BOARD LEAVE ITS PUBLIC COMMENT
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PERIOD OPEN LONG ENOUGH SO THAT IF PEOPLE WANT TO COMMENT ON YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS OR FINDINGS, AND YOU SAID EARLIER YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU'RE CALLING IT RECOMMENDATIONS OR FINDINGS, LEAVE ENOUGH TIME FOR PEOPLE TO, TO SEND THAT INTO THE TOWN BOARD.I AM ASSUMING IF THE TOWN BOARD CONDUCTS THE HEARING NEXT WEEK AND CLOSES KAREN GARRETT, AARON, OUR TEAM, HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO TO PREPARE THE ACTUAL FINDING STATEMENT.
SO THAT PROBABLY SPILLS SOME TIME INTO, CALL IT THE MIDDLE OF APRIL.
SO I THINK YOUR SCHEDULE WORKS A LONG WAY OF SAYING, OKAY.
I I THINK YOUR SCHEDULE WORKS OKAY.
THAT, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I SAID.
WE, WE ARE COMMITTED TO APRIL 6TH.
SO THAT, THAT, THAT IS OUR PLAN.
GIVEN THAT, WHY DON'T WE JUST GO INTO WHAT WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, THE PRIMARY OBJECTIVE HERE TONIGHT, UM, AND IS TO, UM, GO OVER A SERIES OF QUESTIONS THAT WE ACTUALLY PRE-SUBMITTED ABOUT A WEEK AGO TO, UH, MR. CARRIS.
WE CAN LIKE TO SEE YOUR SMILING FACE ON, ON THE SCREEN, IF YOU DON'T MIND,
YOU'RE BETTER LOOKING THAN YOUR PARTNER, JIM.
DON'T YOU KNOW, IF YOU JUST ARE.
UM, ANYWAY, UM, WE WANT TO GET ANSWERS FROM MR. CARRIS, UH, MRS. STEIN.
THERE MAY BE SOME THAT YOU NEED TO ANSWER, W WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER AS WELL TONIGHT.
UH, BUT I'D LIKE TO GET THROUGH THOSE QUESTIONS AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANYTHING ELSE THE BOARD WANTS TO KNOW ABOUT.
I JUST PREEMPTIVELY, I THOUGHT, GARRETT, YOU HAD INDICATED THAT YOU WANTED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THIS AND YOU, YOU, YOU WERE GONNA TELL US WHAT YOU WANTED US TO ACTUALLY RESPOND TO OR NOT? HE WILL.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO NEXT.
SO GARRETT, UM, DO YOU WANT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SHARE YOUR SCREEN AND BRING UP THE, THE LIST IF THAT'S HELPFUL AND GO THROUGH OR HOW YOU WANT TO DO, DO THIS, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE THE BOARD COMFORT OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND WHAT WE'RE ANSWERED.
AND IF PEOPLE HAVE A, AN ISSUE WITH IT, IS EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE WITH THIS WAY OF DOING THE PROCESS ON THE BOARD? JUST WAVE AND SMILE OR WHATEVER.
WHAT, WHAT I WAS GONNA RECOMMEND, UM,
AND I KNOW, UH, JAMES CARIS WAS GONNA INTEND TO, UH, COVER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, INQUIRIES REGARDING CUT AND FILL VERSUS PROPORTION OF UNITS.
SO, UM, I HAD SPOKE WITH, WITH THEM ABOUT THAT PRIOR.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND IS THAT THEY LEAD WITH THAT.
AND THEN, UM, I CAN KEEP TRACK OF WHAT REMAINS.
LET ME OUT OUTLINE WHAT I THINK THE ELEPHANTS IN THE ROOM ARE.
UM, ONE OF THE ELEMENTS IN THE ROOM CLEARLY IS THE DOWN SEWING, NOT THE PUD, BUT THE DOWN SEWING.
SAY I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT THERE ISN'T A DIRECT, I LOOK WHAT YOU SAID TONIGHT, GARRETT.
THERE ISN'T A DIRECT COMPARISON TO A, AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON OF A ZONING COMPLIANT PUT AT 1 26 WITH THE SAME SIZE HOUSES AS TO THE 1 59 OR THE 1 75.
IT, IT, IF YOU GO THROUGH, IT'S A DIFFERENT, THE DIFFERENT ONE'S THREE BEDROOMS, ONE'S THREE TO FOUR.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED LATER.
SO THAT DOWN ZONING, THE IMPACT OF THE DOWN ZONING, I THINK IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ELEMENT AND HOW, HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE IS IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF WHAT ARE THESE THINGS GONNA LOOK LIKE.
I KNOW THERE'S AN ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO BUILD THE PODS OR PUT THEM, INTEGRATE THEM INTO, UH, THE OTHER HOUSING AND WHY IT, YOU, THE PODS ARE SO IMPORTANT TO THE DEVELOPER.
THE THIRD ISSUE TO ME, BIG ISSUE IS THE TRAFFIC ISSUE.
AND THE FOURTH ISSUE, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL GET TO TONIGHT OR NOT, IS THE ENFORCEABILITY OF, UM, THE SIMPLE TAX TAX.
I, IT, IT REALLY, THAT, I KNOW THAT YOU WENT THROUGH THAT WITH THE C A C TO SOME EXTENT.
I'M NOT SURE THERE'S REAL ANSWER TO IT.
I KNOW JIM CARAS WHO TRIED TO ANSWER IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE GOT THE FINAL ANSWER OF WHAT THE DEED IS, WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE A CONDO DEED OR A SINGLE FAMILY DEEDED.
'CAUSE I THINK IT HAS A DIRECT IMPACT ON THE ENFORCEABILITY OF THE GREENBURG LAW.
AND I ALSO ASKED FOR, HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYTHING OF, HAS ANYBODY TESTED THE GREENBERG A WALL LIKE GREENBERG'S? I KNOW WE'RE NOT THE ONLY MUNICIPAL PASSED IT 'CAUSE EVERYBODY WAS TRYING TO DO WHAT HAPPENED IN DO SURRY JUST NOW, OR AT LEAST A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THERE'S BEEN A TEST CASE YET IN COURT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT AS WELL.
SO THO THOSE I CAN ADDRESS THAT, I CAN ADDRESS THAT LATER TONIGHT.
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OKAY.SO GARRETT, WE, WE LOSE GARRETT? OKAY.
SO WITH REGARD TO THE DOWN ZONING RATIONALE, UM, WHAT I HAD DONE WAS, WAS DIRECTED PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS TO, UH, RESPONSES IN THE F E I S.
AND, UH, THOSE RESPONSES, UH, DISCUSSED, UM, THE, THE PRECEDENT A A ASPECT OF OF, OF THAT ACTION.
UM, AND THOSE RESPONSES IN THE F E I S IDENTIFY, UH, DIRECT LINKS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT, THAT SPEAK TO, UM, THE DOWN ZONING.
SO I CAN GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THOSE.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE DOWN ZONING RATIONALE AND THE PRECEDENT, WHAT, WHAT'S IDENTIFIED IN THE F E I S IS THAT, UM, EVERY SITE IS UNIQUE.
EVERY SITE WILL HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT ACCESS TO, UH, STATE ROAD NETWORK OR NOT.
UH, EVERY SITE, YOU KNOW, MAY HAVE A TRANSMISSION LINE, MAY NOT, UH, EVERY SITE'S IN A DIFFERENT SCHOOL DISTRICT COULD BE IN A DIFFERENT SCHOOL DISTRICT.
THERE ARE SO MANY, UH, VARIATIONS ON, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT OPEN SPACES IN THE TOWN SUCH AS OUR, OUR DAY CAMPS, WHICH ARE SIZABLE ACREAGE AND, UH, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ELIGIBLE OR, UH, GOLF COURSE DRIVING RANGE AND, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO, UH, WHAT'S INDICATED IN THE F E I S IS THAT, UH, EVERY PROPOSAL IS GOING TO BE UNIQUE.
AND, UM, WHAT'S INDICATED IS THAT SHOULD THE BOARD FIND THAT A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, UH, OF, OF, OF, OF GREATER DENSITY THAN THE EXISTING UNDERLYING ZONING IS, IS, IS ADVISABLE FOR THIS SITE.
UM, THEN IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO, UH, HOW CONSISTENT IS THAT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? SO THE, THE AREAS WHERE WE DIRECTED THE, THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, TO, IN, IN THE, UH, F E I S, UH, SPEAK TO THINGS IN THE, AND I THINK, UH, CHAIRMAN SCHWARTZ, YOU, YOU'VE MENTIONED IT, UM, UM, IN, IN A GOOD WAY PRIOR WHERE YOU INDICATED IT DOES FUNCTION AS A BALANCING ACT.
THE COMP COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS MULTIFACETED.
UM, I I THINK IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, UH, INCORRECT TO TAKE ONE LINE IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND HAVE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, DOMINATE THE COURSE OF ANY PLANNING ACTION, RIGHT.
WITHOUT CONSIDERING THE ENTIRETY OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO, UM, THINGS THAT ARE CITED ARE, UH, IN TERMS OF RATIONAL RATIONALE FOR, UM, POTENTIAL DOWN ZONING, RIGHT? 'CAUSE IT IS A POTENTIAL, THE PLAN, THE, THE TOWN BOARD HAS THEIR DISCRETIONARY DECISION AT HAND ARE, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW WHAT, TWO OF THE TOWNHOUSE PROPOSALS, UH, PROPOSED, NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, THE 1 59 VERSION OF, OF, OF, OF TOWNHOUSE INCLUDES AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UM, SO CLEARLY THE INCLUSION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING INTO THIS PROJECT IS HIGHLY CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN A WAY THAT NONE THE OTHER TWO PUDS OR ALTERNATIVES ARE NOT AND CONS, COMPARABLY, THE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, PROPOSALS ARE NOT, THERE'S NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROPOSAL WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, DEVELOPMENTS.
THERE'S OTHER CONSIDERATIONS CITED SUCH ARE, SUCH AS THE, UH, MAXIMIZING THE RETENTION OF OPEN SPACE, UM, AS PART OF THIS BALANCING ACT TO, UH, CONSIDER WITH, WITH UPZONING, WHICH INDEED IS, IT IS CORRECT THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CERTAINLY DOES NOT SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, IT IS ADVISABLE TO REZONE SITES IN THE TOWN TO, UH, CREATE GREATER DENSITY.
AND IT, AND IT, AND IT, IT SAYS THE CONTRARY, BUT, UH, RETENTION OF MA OF OPEN SPACE AND, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, THE, THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS RETAIN A 200 FOOT BAND AROUND THE, UH, TOWNHOUSES.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THE BALANCING ACT.
UM, THE, THE, THE LAND DONATION IS IN EXCESS OF WHAT OUR CODE SAYS, I BELIEVE, WITH THE TOWNHOUSES.
UH, THERE'S, UH, ROUGHLY A REQUIREMENT FOR FIVE ACRES OF LAND DONATION, AND THE APPLICANT IS, UH, DEVELOP IS PROPOSING A 14.2, UH, ACRE DONATION.
SO THESE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT PLANNING BOARD SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL, UM, ASPECT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN, IN CONNECTION WITH EXTRA DENSITY, WHICH THE COMP PLAN, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY AGAIN, DOES NOT SAY TO DO SO.
THAT'S REALLY, I THINK, UM, RESPONSIBLE.
FIRST OF ALL, UM, IN TERMS OF THE PRECEDENT, I, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE FINDINGS OUTLINE SPECIFICALLY WHY THIS PROPERTY IS UNIQUE.
BECAUSE IF THAT THOSE SPECIFIC FINDINGS ARE NOT IN THERE, WE DO HAVE SEVEN PROPERTIES, I BELIEVE IT IS.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE COUNTED IN THE, IN UNINCORPORATED GREENBERG THAT COULD DO THE SAME THING.
IT'S, IT'S FIVE GOLF COURSES IN TWO CAMPS, I BELIEVE.
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UM, SO I, IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.THAT'S WHAT'S SPECIFICALLY UNIQUE ABOUT THIS LOCATION TO JUSTIFY THAT TO, SO THAT WE HAVE COMFORT THAT THIS DISCRETIONARY MOVE BY THE TOWN BOARD, AND IT IS TOTALLY WITHIN THE DISCRETION OF THE TOWN BOARD WHETHER OR NOT TO APPROVE A DOWN ZONING.
THE, IT'S A, IT'S A CHANGE IN THE LAW.
SO IT'S, UH, IT'S A LEGISLATIVE DECISION, NOT AN ADMINISTRATIVE ONE.
UM, BUT EVEN THEN YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN JUSTIFY THIS BASED ON THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY VERSUS THE OTHER SIX.
I THINK THAT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT OKAY.
THAT YOU OUGHT TO CONSIDER AS YOU'RE WRITING THE FINAL FINDINGS.
SECONDLY, I KNOW YOU KNOW THE STUFF LIKE THE BACK OF YOUR HAND, MR. DECAY, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I'D LIKE TO HEAR THIS IN MR. CARRIS AND MR. STEINS.
I DON'T WANT HIM JUST TO BE HERE FOR THE RIDE TONIGHT.
SO IF WE COULD HAVE THESE GUYS ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, I ACTUALLY WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
SO WE CAN YOU THROW THE QUESTIONS OUT THERE AND, AND THEN, AND THEN LET THEM RESPOND.
YEAH, SO ON TOPIC ONE, ON THE DOWN ZONING, YOU KNOW, KNOW, WITHOUT GIVING GARRETT TOO MUCH CREDIT, HE REALLY DID GIVE QUITE A COMPREHENSIVE ANSWER THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ARGUMENTS WE HAVE PRESENTED IN BOTH THE D E I S AND THE F E I SS MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU SHOULD KNOW, HE, HE LAID IT OUT QUITE WELL.
I'M GONNA ADD ONE OR TWO THINGS, UH, AND TRY TO BE VERY SHORT ON THIS TOPIC.
UM, THE, THE REQUEST FOR WHAT YOU CALL THE DOWN ZONING OR THE CONVERSION OF THE PUD AT THE R 20, UM, WAS ALL DESIGNED TO CREATE A COMMUNITY ON THIS PROPERTY THAT OUR CLIENT THOUGHT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY.
AND THAT MEANT NOT ONLY, AS GARRETT SAID, DONATING PROPERTY PROGRAMMING THAT, UH, THAT AREA, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE PARK, UM, ULTIMATELY THE OFFER OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, WHEN WE GOT THAT SPECIFIC REQUEST.
BUT THE LAST PART OF IT, I THINK IS PRETTY IMPORTANT.
AND THAT IS WHEN YOU CONVERT FROM SINGLE FAMILY TO MULTIFAMILY AND YOU CREATE BUFFERS AND TRY TO CONSOLIDATE THE COMMUNITY IN A TOWNHOUSE ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, IT REALLY CALLS FOR HAVING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF VITALITY TO SUPPORT THE POOL AND THE CLUBHOUSE BUILDING AND HAVING A REAL SENSE OF, OF A DEVELOPMENT.
AND OUR CLIENT FELT THAT DOING IT AT THE DENSITY OF 175, WHICH WAS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, AND ULTIMATELY AGREEING TO PRESENT A MODIFIED ALTERNATIVE AT 1 59, THEY FELT THAT WAS CONSISTENT WITH, UM, THEIR, THEIR GOAL OF DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY.
SO I AGREE WITH WHAT GARRETT SAID.
WE DO THINK IT WORKS FOR THIS PROPERTY.
AND MY LAST COMMENT IS, I, I'VE READ YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN QUITE THOROUGHLY, AND WHILE I COMPLETELY GET THE FACT THAT THE WORDS ARE THERE ABOUT NOT INCREASING DENSITY, WE HAVE DEMONSTRATED IN THE D E I S AND THE F E I S, THAT WHILE THE NUMBER OF UNITS HAS INCREASED, A LOT OF OTHER ISSUES, LIKE TOTAL NUMBER OF RESIDENTS AND TOTAL VEHICULAR MOVEMENT, UH, ET CETERA, DROPS.
SO ANYONE THAT GETS THE HEAD FAKE THAT 175 OR 159 MULTIFAMILY IS A BIGGER NUMBER THAN 119 SINGLES, THEY'RE MISSING THE ULTIMATE, UH, DEVELOPMENT IMPACT.
AND THAT'S THE BENEFIT OF THE SECRET PROCESS.
I, I DON'T SEE HOW THE POPULATION DROPPED, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE NUMBERS SAY.
BUT I, I DO UNDERSTAND THE REST OF IT, INCLUDING THE OPEN SPACE CLEARLY.
'CAUSE HE GOT RID OF A WHOLE BUNCH OF ROADS, THAT'S FOR SURE.
AND IT'S MUCH, WE'RE PRESERVING A LOT MORE GREEN SPACE.
I'M NOT, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE POPULATION.
I THINK THE POPULATION IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT GREATER ON THE, ON THE TOWNHOUSES.
GARY, WHAT'S THE NEXT DO, DO WE WANT TO GO INTO MORE ABOUT A DESCRIPTION ON THE, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING NOW? SHOULD WE ADDRESS THAT? YEAH, YEAH, SURE.
AND I'M SORRY, I MISUNDERSTOOD WHEN YOU WERE CALLING ON ME.
I THOUGHT YOU INTENDED FOR ME TO LEAD WITH RESPONSES, SO NO, I'M EFFECTIVE.
I'D LIKE YOU TO LEAVE WITH QUESTION.
GOOD AND CLEARLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS DEFINITELY, UH, AN AREA WHERE IT'S, IT'S HIGHLY APPROPRIATE FOR THE APPLICANT TO RESPOND.
AT THE LAST MEETING, THE PLANNING BOARD HAD INDICATED THAT, UM, AN IDEAL ALLOTMENT OF THE 15 AFFORDABLE UNITS WOULD, AS AN EXAMPLE, BE ONE UNIT IN EVERY FIF EVERY CLUSTER OF 15, LET'S SAY, UM, TO, TO MAXIMIZE DISPERSION OF THE UNITS.
UM, AND THE APPLICANT, I BELIEVE WOULD LIKE TO INDICATE, UM, THE RATIONALE FOR WHY THEY'VE CHOSEN TO DISPERSE THE UNITS, BUT IN THREE CLUSTERS OF FIVE, THAT'S FINE.
AND JAMES CAR, YOU CAN FOLLOW IN BEHIND ME AND, AND CERTAINLY BRETT NEEDS TO,
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UM, BUT JAMES, IF YOU WANNA RESPOND AFTER I'M DONE ON THE TOTAL POPULATION, MAYBE I'M WRONG.I THOUGHT OUR NUMBERS ACTUALLY SHOWED WHAT I SAID, UM, BASED UPON THE, THE PROJECTED NUMBER OF RESIDENTS IN A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
SO IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT ON THE FLY, JAMES, IF YOU CAN NAIL THAT DOWN, I'M HAPPY TO BE CORRECTED IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THOUGHT OUR NUMBERS ACTUALLY, IF WE COULD COME BACK TO, RIGHT.
IF WE COULD COME BACK TO THAT, HUGH, IF WE COULD COME BACK TO THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS ANOTHER, UH, QUESTION THAT, UM, POSES, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY CERTAIN, UM, ITERATIONS HAVE DIFFERENT UNITS AND THAT THE, UM, THE TOWN COSTS VERSUS THE SCHOOL COSTS ARE, ARE WIDELY VARYING.
SO WHY DON'T WE TAKE THAT ALL IN ONE MONTH? THAT'S FINE.
AND FINE FOCUS ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UM, IN A NUTSHELL, UM, AT THE OUTSET OF THIS PROJECT, BEFORE WE EVER EVEN FILED, WE CAME IN, WE MET WITH, UH, TOWN STAFF.
WE FULLY UNDERSTOOD THAT UNDER YOUR TOWN CODE, A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, UNDER THE TOWN OF GREENBURG CODE DOES NOT REQUIRE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.
IN ADDITION, WE ALSO LEARNED AND UNDERSTOOD THAT EVEN A PUD UNDER THE TOWN CODE DID NOT REQUIRE ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.
ABSOLUTELY CLEAR THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND GARRETT, IN THAT FIRST CONVERSATION SAID THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE PLANNING BOARD OF THE TOWN BOARD MAY NOT ASK FOR IT, BUT WE KNEW WHAT THE LAW REQUIRED AND MANDATED VERSUS WHAT MIGHT ULTIMATELY EVOLVE.
SO OUR CLIENT MADE AN APPLICATION FOR 175 NO AFFORDABLES DURING THE PROCESS.
UM, AS IT UNFOLDED, UH, THE TOWN BOARD AND TOWN STAFF ENCOURAGED OUR CLIENT TO COME FORWARD WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.
AND AS I THINK YOU ALL KNOW, UH, NORMA DRUMMOND IN THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY PLANNING DEPARTMENT DID THE SAME THING.
SO WHAT WE DID WAS, WHAT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY, UH, MODEL GUIDELINES AND CODE, WE PRESENTED, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS AT THE 80% OF THE SIZE UNIT.
UM, I SPECIFICALLY REACHED OUT TO NORMA DRUMMOND ABOUT THE ISSUE OF PLACING UNITS IN INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS AND HAVING THEM ON SLABS RATHER THAN EXCAVATED BASEMENTS.
I WANTED MY, MY CLIENT WANTED, WANTED US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE NOT DOING SOMETHING THAT WAS VIOLATIVE OF THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY GUIDELINES.
NORMA SAID ABSOLUTELY THE 80% WAS THE RIGHT, WAS THE RIGHT CONCEPT.
UH, SHE EQUALLY SAID THAT WHILE MANY DEVELOPMENTS HAVE THEM INTERSPERSED, NOT ALL DO, AND IF IT'S DESIGNED CORRECTLY, AND IF THE CLUSTER BUILDINGS OF THOSE FIVE UNITS WERE INTERSPERSED AND NOT ALL PUT IN ONE SECTION OF THE, OF THE DEVELOPMENT, IT HAD THE SAME EFFECTIVE BENEFIT OF HAVING THE AFFORDABLE UNITS THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
LASTLY, SHE TOTALLY GOT THE ISSUE OF THE BA OF THE NO BASEMENT AND SLAB FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT, AND WAS WAS FINE WITH WHAT WE PRESENTED.
SHE WAS REALLY PLEASED WHEN SHE LEARNED THAT OUR CLIENT HAD DESIGNED AND BUILT AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS ELSEWHERE THAT ARE MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN MANY OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS, UM, OR AT LEAST SOME OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED IN GREENBURG.
SO IN SOME, WE'RE PREPARED TO SHARE WITH YOU, UH, AND BRETT CAN WALK YOU THROUGH, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT RIDGEWOOD, JONATHAN REBO AND BRETT OWINGS HAVE DONE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THEY'RE WORKING ON A RATHER SIZABLE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT IN A LARGER PROJECT IN NEW JERSEY.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE, WE'RE ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THESE WILL BE VERY ATTRACTIVE UNITS FROM THE OUTSIDE.
THEY WILL BE SLIGHTLY SMALLER FROM THE INSIDE, BUT THEY WILL ABSOLUTELY ACCOMMODATE A FAMILY.
AND AS THE C A C POINTED OUT, MAYBE IT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER ECONOMICALLY TO COVER THE H O A COSTS AND THE UTILITY COSTS.
MR. STEIN, I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE COMMENT.
UM, I, I APPRECIATE THE INPUT OF WESTCHESTER COUNTY.
UH, WE ARE IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, AND WE DO HAVE 2 85 41, AND I JUST WANNA READ YOU FROM IT JUST SO THAT WE ALL ARE CLEAR, AFFORDABLE UNITS SHALL BE GENERALLY BE GENERALLY BE DISTRIBUTED EVENLY THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
UH, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE, THE PLANNING BOARD DOES HAVE DISCRETION IN THAT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE LAW SAYS.
AND IT ALSO SAYS THE EXTERIOR APPEARANCE OF AFFORDABLE OWNER SHOULD NOT DISTINGUISH THEM AS A CLASS, SOME OTHER UNITS.
SO OUR LOCK, WELL, ALL I'M SAYING IS I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH ANYTHING YOU SAID.
ALL LAWS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT STRICTER THAN WHAT WESTCHESTER COUNTY IS SAYING.
AND, AND NOT TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE OF FEW, BUT JUST TO BE RESPONSIVE, REMEMBER, AS FAR AS OUR CLIENT IS CONCERNED, TECHNICALLY AND LEGALLY, THIS IS A VOLUNTARY OFFER OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, NOT A, NOT A REQUIREMENT OR MANDATE.
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THAT MR. SIMONS TONIGHT.UM, I, I THINK WHAT WE'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM, FROM MR. OWINGS, IF POSSIBLE IS SURE.
KIND OF A DESCRIPTION OF HOW YOU'RE GOING TO EXECUTE THE 80% AND, AND MEET WITH THE GUY, WHAT I JUST READ, UM, AS WELL AS GIVE US SOME IDEA OF, UM, OF, OF WHAT THE DIFFERENCES INTERNALLY MAYBE AND ALSO SPEAK, SPEAK TO WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU TO DO THE CLUSTERS RATHER THAN STICK THEM IN THE MIDDLE.
THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS I'D LIKE YOU TO DO.
NO, I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
AND, UH, JUST, UM, BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE, NEW JERSEY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THIS, BUT IN NEW JERSEY, ALL NEW HOUSING HAS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENT NO MATTER WHAT YOU BUILD.
SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PROJECTS INCLUDING ONE WE JUST STARTED IN, UH, WAYNE, NEW JERSEY.
UM, AND THERE ARE, IT'S A 20% AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENT FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, HOUSING, AND, UM, IT'S IN A NUMBER OF, UH, SEPARATE BUILDINGS OR CONDOMINIUM BUILDINGS, AND WE PLACE THOSE BUILDINGS THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
UM, IT, IT'S A LOT EASIER AND MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE TO TRY AND PUT THESE BUILDINGS.
UM, AND AS A, THE UNITS, UM, AS RATHER THAN TRYING TO PUT, UH, THE AFFORDABLE UNITS, UH, IN PLACE OF A, EXCUSE ME FOR MR. EXCUSE ME, MR. OWENS FOR ONE SECOND.
SOMEBODY IS GOT A PHONE OR SOMETHING IN THE BACKGROUND THAT, SO WOULD YOU MUTE UNLESS YOU'RE TALKING, I'M SORRY, MR. OWENS, GO AHEAD.
SO WHAT WE DID IS WE, UH, WE BASICALLY BUILT, UM, WE'RE BUILDING 18 UNIT BUILDINGS.
WE'RE MIXING 'EM THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
THEY'RE GONNA LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO ALL THE OTHER TOWN HOME BUILDINGS.
UM, AND IT, IT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER TO, TO CONSTRUCT WHEN YOU, THE OTHER BUILDINGS, UH, THE OTHER TOWN HOMES, UH, THEY'RE SIZABLE BUILDINGS.
UH, THEY'RE 33,000 TO 4,000 SQUARE FOOT UNITS, UM, TO TRY AND DO AN AFFORDABLE UNIT, UNIT ONE IN EACH OF THOSE BUILDINGS.
IS PART OF IT THE FOUNDA, THE SLAB VERSUS THE FOUNDATION? IS THAT PART PART OF THE PROBLEM? THAT THAT IS PART OF IT, YEAH.
TO HAVE, UH, TO HAVE THE SLAB VERSUS THEN A BASEMENT NEXT TO THAT.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S JUST HARD TO CONSTRUCT.
YOU LIKE TO DIG ONE BIG OPEN SURE.
SECTION FOR THE BUILDING MM-HMM.
AND I, AND I, MR. CHAIRMAN, I CAN CHIME IN ON THAT TOO.
THE PLACEMENT OF THE AFFORDABLE UNITS DISPERSED THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY IN CLUSTERS OF, OF FIVE UNITS IN EACH BUILDING, UH, WAS, WAS DESIGNED AS TO PROVIDE A SLAB ON GRADE CONSTRUCTIBLE, UH, SITUATION.
THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S HELPFUL, JIM.
COULD YOU, MR. OWENS, COULD YOU GO IN A LITTLE BIT IN, I'M JUST CURIOUS INTERNALLY.
BY THE WAY, INTERESTINGLY, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WAS BUILT IN GREENBURG AFTER THE CURRENT LAW AND BEFORE THE CURRENT LAW, YOU'LL SEE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO, UH, JUST SO YOU KNOW, MR. JONES, I'M JUST CURIOUS, HOW, HOW DIFFERENT ARE THESE GONNA BE INSIDE IN TERMS OF, UH, INSIDE? THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA BE VERY SIMILAR.
THEY'RE JUST, EVERYTHING IS, UH, SAY, A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
UM, THESE, THESE HOMES NOW, AND I WAS JUST IN ONE OF OUR OTHER COMMUNITIES IN PENNSYLVANIA TODAY, WALKING THROUGH, UH, TOWN HOMES.
I MEAN, THEY'RE PROBABLY BIGGER THAN MY SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
AND I, I LIVE ON AN OVER AN NAKED LOT.
UH, THE AFFORDABLES, THEY'RE, THEY'RE 80% SMALLER, SO THE KITCHEN MAYBE IS, ISN'T AS BIG THE DINING ROOM.
WHAT ABOUT FIXTURE? WHAT ABOUT FIXTURES AND EQUIPMENT? UM, THERE, THEY'RE THE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE SOME OF THE HIGHER END, UH, FIXTURES.
THERE WON'T BE MICROWAVE DRAWERS AND THE SIX BURNER COOKTOPS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT, UH, THERE'LL STILL BE STANDARD FIXTURES, I MEAN.
NOT A FRIDGE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SUB-ZERO REFRIGERATORS IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THERE, THERE WON'T BE A SUB-ZERO FRIDGE.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD THAT HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING TILL WE MOVE ON TO THE, OR SHOULD WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SUBJECT? ANYBODY? WALTER? YES.
YOU INDICATED THAT YOU'RE BUILDING PLENTY OF THESE UNITS THROUGHOUT, UH, THE AREA AND IN NEW JERSEY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY PICTURES OR THE LAYOUTS OF THE, OF, UH, AFFORDABLE AND, UH, AND, UH, ONE THAT'S GOING TO MARKET PRICING,
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PICTURES OR DIAGRAMS? THE LAYOUT, THE UNITS? I COULD SHARE, UM, A PICTURE OF WHAT WE THINK THESE UNITS, LIKE, WE'RE STILL IN THE, BECAUSE THIS IS IN FLUXX, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING DESIGNED FOR THIS SITE.AND SPECIFICALLY, WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE UNITS, THE, THE 400 UNITS THAT YOU'RE BUILDING IN NEW JERSEY? DON'T YOU HAVE TO? I, I'M NOT, I'M STILL GOING THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS.
I COULD SHOW YOU A SITE PLAN OF THAT IF YOU'D LIKE.
I, I THINK HE WAS LOOKING FOR JUST SOME KIND OF VISUAL REPRESENTATION, ARCHITECTURAL THREAT ARCHITECTURAL.
WELL, LET ME, UM, EVEN IF IT'S A REPRESENTATIVE ARCHITECTURAL, YEAH.
LET ME, UH, LET ME SHARE WITH YOU, UM, WHAT WE, UM, WE THINK IS REPRESENTATIVE AS FAR AS THE TOWN HOMES FOR THIS, PLEASE.
NOW, WHERE WOULD THE AFFORDABLE UNIT, UH, LOOK LIKE IN THIS PARTICULAR LAYOUT? I DON'T HAVE A, THE, UH, THE AFFORDABLE, UM, PICTURE DONE, BUT IT'D BE VERY SIMILAR AND COMPARABLE TO THIS.
UM, HERE, IF YOU, UM, THIS IS ONE WE DID, UH, I'LL SHARE A SCREEN.
UH, ONE WE DID IN HILLSBOROUGH, NEW JERSEY.
UM, THIS, THIS WAS ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO.
THESE, UH, THESE HOME PRICES WERE, WERE LESS THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW, BUT HERE WE, UM, WE DID AFFORDABLE UNITS MIXED IN WITH, UH, REGULAR UNITS.
COULD YOU POINT OUT THE AFFORDABLE, UH, AND THE AFFORDABLE WOULD BE THE ONES WITHOUT THE ROGERS, THEY'LL HAVE GARAGES.
THEY WOULD, IN THIS CASE, I BELIEVE THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALMOST ALWAYS THE, WHAT ARE THE INTERIOR UNITS BECAUSE YOU, YOU GET MORE MONEY FOR AN EXTERIOR UNIT.
UM, AND THEN THEY HAVE OTHER OPTIONS.
UM, HONESTLY, THIS ONE, I FORGET WHICH ONE IS THE AFFORDABLE.
YOU JUST MADE YOUR POINT THOUGH.
THE FACT IS WE CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE WAY YOU MADE YOUR POINT.
MONA WALTER, YOU DONE? GO AHEAD.
BUT THIS IS A UNIT WHERE THEY ARE INTEGRATED INTO THE, NOW WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS THAT THEY WILL NOT BE INTEGRATED INTO THE OTHER UNITS.
THAT'S A, THAT'S ONE DISTINCTION.
I BELIEVE ACTUALLY IN THIS ONE, WHAT WE DID IS WE STACKED THEM SO THAT, UM, ONE UNIT WAS ON TOP OF ANOTHER AND WE ACTUALLY DID TWO.
BUT YOU CAN'T TELL BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE DOOR.
THEN WHEN YOU ENTER THE BUILDING, THERE'S A DOOR GOING ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND A DOOR GOING OFF.
SO WE THAT, SO WE GOT TWO INSTEAD OF ONE IN THE, IN THE INTERIORS.
WE'RE PROPOSING A A, AN ENTIRE BUILDING, UM, OF AFFORDABLE.
SO WE CAN, WHAT WE CAN COMMIT TO THE TOWN IS THAT THE AESTHETIC OF THE BUILDING IS GONNA BE CONSISTENT WITH THE AESTHETICS OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS.
THE LAST THING THAT THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO DO IS BUILD A SERIES OF BUILDINGS AND THEN HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURE, LITERALLY ACROSS THE STREET.
BECAUSE BY INTEGRATING THE BUILDINGS IN THE THREE PLACES THAT JAMES CARRIS WAS GONNA SHOW US, YOU KNOW, I, OUR PLANS REFLECT IT'S LITERALLY IN THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT.
IT'S THREE PODS OF THREE, ISN'T IT? IT'S, NO, IT'S THREE PODS OF FIVE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS FIVE PODS OF THREE.
J JAMES, AM I CORRECT ON THAT? UH, YES, YOU'RE CORRECT.
SO BETWEEN NOW AND FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL, WE, WE CAN DESCRIBE THE EXACT DETAILS OF WHAT THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING WOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ESSENTIALLY CONSISTENT OR, OR IT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC FOR THE MARKETING OF THE MAIN BUILDING.
ARE ALL THE OTHER PODS THREES? NO, I THOUGHT I SAW THEM AS THREES ON THE PLAN.
MOST OF THE, MOST OF THEM I BELIEVERS ARE FOURS.
IF 159 WAS TO BE APPROVED, RIGHT? WHY IS THERE 15 AFFORDABLE HOUSES? AND THAT'S 16 IF IT'S 10%.
SO IT WAS LITERALLY, UM, WALTER, FAIR QUESTION.
I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE ANSWERED THAT IN THE F E I SS SOMEWHERE.
THAT WAS A DISCUSSION, AND GARRETT PROBABLY CAN ANSWER IT BETTER THAN I CAN.
THAT WAS A DISCUSSION REQUEST WITH THE TOWN.
AGAIN, WE WERE NOT OBLIGATED TO, TO, TO DO THIS.
THERE WAS A, A FAIR AMOUNT OF BACK AND FORTH, UM, IN TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WOULD WORK FOR THE DEVELOPER AND FOR THE TOWN, AND THAT'S WHERE THE 15 CAME FROM.
MY SUGGESTION TO SOLVE, SOLVE THIS, DAVID, AND THEN I'M GONNA GO TO MONA AND THEN JOHANN,
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SO I SEE BOTH OF YOU.UM, MY SUGGESTION TO SOLVE THIS IS THAT, UH, A RENDERING OF THESE AFFORDABLE HOUSES BE DONE PRIOR TO SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO HANDLE IT.
AND SO WE CAN PUT THAT, WHAT I WOULD DO IN THE FINDINGS IS JUST MENTION THAT IN THE FINDINGS, AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.
UM, I WAS GOING TO ASK AT WHAT STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT THEY WERE AT THE WAYNE PROJECT AND IF WE COULD SEE THEM.
NO, UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE STILL GOING THROUGH THE APPROVALS ON THE WA PROJECT, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE ARCHITECTURALS FINISHED.
UM, WE, WE ACTUALLY, WE HAVEN'T EVEN DONE A FULL SUBMISSION TO THE TOWN YET.
UM, IT WAS A, UH, IT WAS A, ACTUALLY A COURT CASE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING BETWEEN, UH, THE PREVIOUS OWNER AND THE TOWN, AND THEY SPENT YEARS IN LITIGATION AND, UH, THEY HAVE A SETTLEMENT AND WE THEN BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN THE, UH, ARE NOW MOVING THROUGH.
BUT WE, WE WILL COMPLY WITH EVERYTHING AND PROVIDE THE 80 AFFORDABLE HOMES.
WHEREABOUTS AND WAYNE IS THIS? UH, IT'S ON ALPS ROAD, AND ACTUALLY WE'RE REPURPOSING WHAT WAS A, UH, ROOFING COMPANY HEADQUARTERS AND TESTING GROUND.
THAT G A F HEADQUARTERS, THEY MOVED TO
THERE'S RIGHT, RIGHT UP THE STREET FROM THAT BEHIND MONSANTO.
YEAH, I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA ASK FOR RENDERINGS AS WELL.
BUT PRIOR TO THAT THEN, I'M, I'M ASSUMING THIS WILL BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR YOU TO GIVE US A LIST OF WHAT WOULD DIFFERENTIATE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS VERSUS THE STANDARD UNITS SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT TO EXPECT PRIOR TO THE RENDERING.
UM, GARRETT, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO HANDLE NEXT? DO YOU WANT TO HANDLE THE MET THE, UH, THE TAX, THE, UM, EXPENSE ISSUE, THE SERVICES ISSUE, OR WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.
UH, AT THE LAST MEETING, THE PLANNING BOARD HAD RAISED A FEW INQUIRIES REGARDING, UH, THE, THE, THE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES AND THE FACT THAT THE PROPORTION OF, UM, UNITS WOULD GO DOWN X AMOUNT, BUT THE, UM, EITHER THE COTTON FILLS OR THE, UM, COST OF SERVICES, UH, WERE SEEMED DIS DISPROPORTIONATE.
SO I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR THE APPLICANT.
WELL, I GUESS THOSE ARE FISCAL VERSUS, UH, LAND DEVELOPMENT.
UH, IF THE APPLICANT COULD FOCUS AND, AND, AND, AND GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE METRICS, UH, THAT WERE UTILIZED, UH, TO GENERATE STUDENT, UH, PROJECTIONS, POPULATION PROJECTIONS, UM, AND IDENTIFY, UH, THE MEASURES WHICH IDENTIFIED, UH, ARE DERIVED, UM, MUNICIPAL SERVICE COSTS.
SO FOR THE, UM, POPULATION GENERATION, UM, FOR THE AGE RESTRICTED, UH, TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS THE PROPOSED ACTION INITIALLY, UM, WE LOOKED TO A STUDY, UH, WHICH WAS THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF HOME BUILDERS AND METLIFE, MATURE MARKET INSTITUTE STUDY HOUSING TRENDS UPDATE FOR THE 55 PLUS MARKET.
AND THAT STUDY, UH, REVEALED A GEN A GENERATOR FOR, UH, AGE RESTRICTED TOWNHOME UNITS OF 1.6 RESIDENTS PER UNIT.
SO THE 175 UNIT AGE RESTRICTED D I S PLAN RESULTED IN 280 PERSON POPULATION.
NOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE OTHER ALTERNATIVES, THE AGE RESTRICTION IS, IS ALL REMOVED.
SO NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPE WITH, UH, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THE MIX, BUT YOU ALSO ADD THE SCHOOL CHILDREN COMPONENT AND THEY USE A DIFFERENT, THERE'S VARIOUS DIFFERENT MULTIPLIERS THAT ARE USED FOR THAT, BUT THAT IS TAKE THE, THE SCHOOL CHILDREN GENERATION IS TAKEN FROM THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY FIVE YEAR ESTIMATE, PUBLIC USE MICRO DATA SAMPLE, P U M S FOR WESTCHESTER COUNTY.
SO THESE ARE INDUSTRY STANDARD, UH, PUBLICATIONS AND MULTIPLIERS THAT WERE USED TO GENERATE THE, THE POPULATIONS.
AND IN FACT, AND IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK ACROSS THAT, JUST, UH, TO WHAT YOU ASKED DAVID EARLIER, MR. STEIN, IT'S 30, IT IS 3 86 IS THE POPULATION FOR THE 119 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
IT IS FIVE 30, I'M SORRY, 4 39 FOR THE 1 75 AND 3 99 FOR THE 1 59.
SO IT'S SLIGHTLY, THIS IS ACTUALLY SLIGHTLY HIGHER WITH THE TOWN HOMES, THE TOTAL POPULATION.
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ON, ON THE SCHOOL KIDS, YOU GOT 106, LET'S TAKE B VERSUS A FOR A SECOND.YOU GOT 106, UM, ADDITIONAL POPULATION, I ASSUME THAT'S KIDS AND ONLY ABOUT 40% OF THEM GO TO THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
IS THAT A REFLECTION OF WHAT YOU THINK'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OR, OR WHAT HAPPENS TO THE OTHER 60 KIDS? UM, THE, THE ANALYSIS THAT WE PREPARED ONLY CONSIDERED, UM, THE GREENBERG CENTRAL SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE ELM ELMSFORD UNION FREE SCHOOL DISTRICT DIVIDING THE, THE SCHOOL CHILDREN BETWEEN THOSE TWO DISTRICTS BASED ON WHERE THE, THE DISTRICT LINE FELL? NO, THAT'S NOT THE POINT.
THE POINT IS THERE ARE 106 INCREASE IN POPULATION WHEN YOU GO, WHEN YOU GET, UH, RID OF, UM, WITH, UH, BETWEEN A AND B.
THOSE 106, I ASSUME ARE ALL CHILDREN.
43 OF THE 106 WOULD BE SCHOOLCHILDREN USING THOSE MULTIPLIERS FOR THE SCHOOLCHILDREN.
UH, WHO, BUT, BUT THAT, FIRST OF ALL, SO WHERE, WHAT ARE THE OTHER 60 PEOPLE IN THE H IN THE HOUSE? THERE'S THE, THE MULTIPLIER USED FOR THE DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPE.
THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, UH, IS GREATER THAN THE AGE RESTRICTED 55 PLUS.
THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE LIVING IN A GREATER, SO WHO ARE THEY? WHAT IS THE DEMOGRAPHIC? I THINK, I THINK THE, UM, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES HAVE A GREATER PROPENSITY TO HAVE, UM, TWO HEAD OF HOUSEHOLDS, TWO ADULTS, AS OPPOSED TO A 1.6 MULTIPLIER ON THE 175 THAT COULD BE PART OF IT.
AND, AND NON-SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASSUMING EVERY CHILD IS IN THE SCHOOLS.
AND THE, THE, THE ANALYSIS AND THE TREATISES TELL US THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
THERE'S A LOT OF LITTLE KIDS, AND THEN THERE ARE SOME OLDER KIDS.
UM, THE OTHER, WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? UH, THE SERVICES, UM, GARRETT SENT SOMETHING.
TOM DID A GOOD ANALYSIS THIS AFTERNOON.
AND GARRETT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SENDING US THE INTERNAL NUMBERS.
I RAN THEM, THE NUMBERS ARE RIGHT TO, TO THAT ASSUMPTION.
TOM, DO YOU GET THE SAME THING? SO I DON'T THINK WE REALLY NEED THAT'S HELPFUL.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW, UH, WHAT THE NUMBERS WERE THAT LED TO THOSE RESULTS.
SO IT WAS HELPFUL TO SEE WHERE IT CAME FROM.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS YOU, YOU NEVER ACTUALLY PUT THE EXPENSE, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL EXPENSE IN LINE ON, ON THAT CHART? IT WAS JUST GROSS TAXES AND NET RE NET NET REVENUE.
YOU DIDN'T PUT THE LINE IN THE MIDDLE, AND THEN WHEN YOU START DOING THE MATH, IT LOOKED A LITTLE STRANGE.
MOST OF IT, I THINK, HAS TO DO WITH THE SCHOOLS.
THAT, THAT CAUSED A LOT OF IT, I THINK.
WELL, THAT WAS THE POPULATION NUMBERS.
AND I WAS LOOKING AT UNITS AND SCHOOL KIDS AND IT DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
YOU GOTTA LOOK AT THE POPULATION, NOT THE SCHOOL KIDS.
SO I THINK WE CAN MOVE ON FROM THAT ONE, GARRETT.
UM, SO I THINK WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE, WHICH WAS DISTURBANCE.
AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I WAS DISTURBED BY.
UM, WHEN I STARTED TO, THERE'S ONE THING ON, UM, ON THE CHART IN THE F A S.
IF YOU TAKE A LOOK, AND I'M GONNA GIVE YOU ANOTHER COMPARISON THAT GARRETT GAVE ME TODAY, WHICH IS VERY HELPFUL.
UM, YOU HAVE 175 TOWN HOMES AT A DISTURBANCE OF 75.3, RIGHT? UH, ACRES, YET A 9% DECREASE TO 1 59 IS ONLY 46 POINT.
UH, IS THAT THREE? I THINK IT'S THREE, UH, ACRES.
TO MAKE IT EVEN, EVEN A LITTLE BIT MORE CONFUSING, LET ME JUST PULL UP MY EXCEL CHART.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE I DID IT.
UM, I LOOKED AT WHAT GARRETT SENT ME EARLIER TODAY, WHICH HAD ANOTHER A HUNDRED.
AND WHERE IS IT? TABLE HOLD ON.
IF YOU LOOK AT, LET'S SEE, THIS IS WHERE IT REALLY GOT SCREWY TO ME.
THERE WAS, UM, ONE PLACE WITH A DISTURBANCE WAS IF, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE OPTION, WHICH ISN'T C ON THE ALTER, THE OLD ALTERNATIVES, WHICH WAS IN THE D A A I S, IT'S A 2030 AND IT'S A DISTURBANCE OF ONLY 40 AND IT YIELDS HOW MANY HOUSES? HOUSES DOES THAT YIELD? THAT ONE, GARRETT, HOW MANY UNITS WAS THAT? ONE?
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1 1 26.YEAH, BUT THE, THE DISTURBANCE WAS ONLY 40.
SO I, I JUST WASN'T SURE HOW YOU GOT TO THOSE DISTURBANCE NUMBERS.
IT SEEMS LIKE A, A BIG CHANGE IN DISTURBANCE.
UM, FROM FOR NINE FOR, FOR A 9% DECREASE IN, UH, FROM THE 1 75 TO THE 1 59.
I, UNLESS THERE'S SOME PLACE, SOME, I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
THE, UH, THE 126 UNIT, UH, ALTERNATIVES ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE F E I S, BUT THE REASON FOR THE DIFFERENCE IN THE DISTURBANCE AREA BETWEEN THE, THE 175 AND THE 126, THAT THE 126 IS A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT WAS REALLY CONDENSED EVEN MORE THAN, OKAY.
WHAT ABOUT THE 1 59 VERSUS THE 1 75 IN THE F E I S THEN? SURE.
SO YEAH, TO, OKAY, SO, OKAY, SO THIS IS THE D E I S 1 75 PLAN.
NOW TAKE THE, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE F E S CHART, F E I S CHART.
UM, UH, JIM, I'M TALKING ABOUT OPTION I COMPARED WITH OPTION G.
IT WAS A 9% DECREASE IN TOWNHOUSES.
HE HAD A 38% DECREASE IN DISTURBANCE.
IT SEEMED AN AWFULLY LARGE DECREASE IN DISTURBANCE.
DECREASE IN DISTURBANCE IS DUE TO THE ELIMINATION OF THE CENTRAL ROAD CONNECTING THE LOOPS.
ELIMINATE THAT YOU THE DISTURBANCE AREA.
NOW THAT'S NOTWITHSTANDING ANY OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE ANY PROGRAMMING IN THAT COMMUNITY IN THE CENTER, BUT THAT IS TYPICALLY THE HIGHEST POINT OF THIS EIGHT, THIS, THIS PROPERTY.
AND THERE'S BEEN A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF, OF, UH, EARTH WORK ASSOCIATED WITH ESTABLISHING THAT ROAD AND GETTING THOSE BUILDING, UH, SITES IN.
SO THAT'S REASON FOR THE DIFFERENCE IN THE NUMBERS.
UM, ANYTHING, ANYBODY ELSE HAS A DISTURBANCE TILL WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT TOPIC? OKAY.
WHAT DO WE HAVE? WE HAVE TRAFFIC STILL.
UM, AT THE LAST MEETING, THE, THE PLANNING BOARD HAD, UH, POSED THE QUESTION AND, AND REQUESTED, UM, TO, TO BE GIVEN A BRIEF ON TWO INTERSECTIONS.
UM, AND THE IMPLICATIONS REGARDING THE VARIOUS ALTERNATIVES, UH, TO THOSE INTERSECTIONS AND, AND MITIGATIONS TO THE EXTENT ANY ARE PROPOSED.
AND THOSE ARE, UH, THE ON OFF RAMP TO THE SPRAIN, UM, AS WELL AS THE INTERSECTION OF DOBBS FERRY ROAD AND, UH, WEST WEST HARTSDALE AVENUE AND NORWOOD ROAD.
SO IF THE APPLICANT COULD, UM, SPEAK TO THAT.
AND, UH, WE HAVE MARK PETROW HERE THIS EVENING, UH, WHO'S OUR ENGINEER IN OUR OFFICE TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION ON THAT.
AS, UH, JAMES HAD MENTIONED, UH, GOOD EVENING, UM, REGARDING THE, THE FIRST, UH, INTERSECTION OF QUESTION BEING THE, UH, SPRINGBROOK PARKWAY OFF RAMPS THERE.
UM, WE DID, UH, AN ANALYSIS OF THAT INTERSECTION.
THIS IS TALKING ABOUT THE SOUTHBOUND OFF RAMPS, AND WE DID DO A TRAFFIC SIGNAL WARRANT ANALYSIS OF THAT AS WELL.
AND, UM, IN DOING THE WARRANT ANALYSIS, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT, UM, FOUR OF THE NINE WARRANTS THAT ARE REVIEWED AS PART OF THE WARRANT ANALYSIS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THE NATIONAL PUBLICATION MANUAL AND UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES, UM, FOR THE NINE WERE MET TO INSTALL A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THAT LOCATION.
IT WAS NOT RELATED TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
IT ACTUALLY MEETS THOSE CRITERIA UNDER EXISTING CONDITIONS.
SO IT'S NOT RELATED TO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT THERE'S AN EFFECT THAT WOULD CAUSE US TO MEET THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL WARRANT.
HOWEVER, IT IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, THE D O T AND THE TOWN CAN PURSUE RIGHT NOW WITHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, AND AS GARRETT IS SHARING HERE, WE DID PROVIDE A, A FIGURE THAT SHOWED HOW IT IS POSSIBLE TO ALIGN THE RAMPS NOW WITH, EVEN WITHOUT THE CONSIDERATION OF THE DONATION OF THE LAND AS PART OF THIS PROPOSED, UH, ACTION HERE.
SO WHAT WE SHOW HERE IS INSTEAD OF REALIGNING THE NORTHBOUND, THE, THE OFF RAMP REALIGN THE ON-RAMP TO THE CURRENTLY UNDER UNDERUTILIZED AREA THERE TO JUST ALIGN UP THE OFF RAMP AND THE ON-RAMP.
IT WOULDN'T INVOLVE THE LAND DONATION TO DO THAT BECAUSE THIS IS CURRENTLY STILL PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE PURSUED BY THE TOWN OF THE D O T, WHICH, AND WOULD THIS PROJECT, WOULD THAT BE MIKE, MICHAEL, UH, MARK.
WOULD THAT BE SIGNALED? IS THAT WHAT YOU'D RECOMMEND THERE? NO, IT, IT, IT COULD BE, UM, IT, IT COULD BE SIGNALED
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IT IS WARRANTED AS A SIGNAL, UM, AS FAR AS MEETING FOUR OF THE NINE WARRANTS.UM, SO IT DOES MEET A, A VOLUME WARRANT AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, IT MEETS A THRESHOLD VOLUME, TRAFFIC, VOLUME WISE TO WARRANT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
UM, AND THIS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WARRANT ANALYSIS WAS CONDUCTED BASED ON COMMENTS FROM THE NEW YORK STATE D O T.
SO THAT'S WHY YEAH, THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE F I S.
IT'S A SCARY LEFT COMING OFF THAT OFF RAMP.
I DO IT ALL THE TIME AND IT'S VERY SCARY 'CAUSE THE SPEED PEOPLE GO ON DOBS STORY ROAD IS A LOT FASTER THAN THE SPEED LIMIT.
SO YOU REALLY GOTTA BE WATCHING WHEN YOU'RE TAKING A LEFT TURN THERE.
SO WHAT ABOUT THE, I LIVE THERE AND I AGREE.
WHAT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT OF THIS, OF, ON THAT, THAT AREA, UH, WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT? IS THERE ANY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE? THERE'S IN TRAFFIC IMPACT THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU DO HAVE THE, THE PEOPLE COMING OFF THE RAMPS THERE.
UM, AND THEN YOU DO HAVE THE PEOPLE ON THE THROUGHS.
UM, THE LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE TRAFFIC RELATED TO THE DEVELOPMENTS, UH, WE'RE COMING, COMING FROM THE PARKWAY.
UM, SO, UM, YOU DO HAVE SOME THAT WENT FURTHER AND USED THE OTHER SURROUNDING ROADWAYS, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC WAS PROJECTED TO USE THE, THE SPRINGBROOK PARKWAY THERE.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS SIGNIFICANCE THERE, THERE IS NOT A HUGE SIGNIFICANCE THERE.
WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT THE, THE CORNER OF HAR, THE, THE, THE TRI, THE THREE CORNERS, THE HARTSDALE, MILLWOOD AND, AND, UH, DOBBS, THAT CORNER THAT'S IN THE MORNING, WE KNOW HARTSDALE AVENUE CAN BE A DISASTER WITH ALL THE THREE SCHOOLS ON, ON THE STREET.
UM, YEAH, SO RE REGARDING, UH, THE A HUNDRED, A A HUNDRED B AND A HUNDRED C INTERSECTION THAT YOU'RE MENTIONING THERE, SO THAT WAS ALSO, UM, MENTIONED BY THE D O T THAT WE STUDY THAT WE DID TELL 'EM THAT WE DID STUDY THAT INTERSECTION.
SO BASED ON THE, THE VOLUME PROJECTIONS THAT WE DID, UM, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, THE, UH, TRAFFIC REPRESENTS EITHER 1% OR LESS OF THE TRAFFIC AT THAT INTERSECTION AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPMENT TRAFFIC.
SO, YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY THE SAME OR LESS THAN WHAT THE PROJECTED GENERAL GROWTH THAT WE USED IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
SO IT'S A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE ACTUAL TRAFFIC THAT'S CURRENTLY AT THE INTERSECTION.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PEAK PEAK HOUR RATING WAS FOR THAT INTERSECTION? UH, I'D HAVE TO DIG.
I DON'T HAVE THAT READILY AVAILABLE.
I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE, IS IT A B, IS IT A C I, I DON'T KNOW.
I THERE ARE WORSE INTERSECTIONS.
THE CORNER OF HARTSDALE AVENUE AND IN CENTRAL AVENUE IS MUCH WORSE THAN THAT.
I KNOW THAT, BUT I'M JUST, I WAS CURIOUS AS TO WHAT IT IS.
SO IT, THE IMPACT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AT THE IMPACT OF THE 1 59, WHICH IS THE PREFERRED, UM, THE PREFERRED, UH, PROPOSAL AT THIS POINT, IT SEEMS OF THE DEVELOPER, UM, HAS MINIMAL IMPACT ON THAT OR ANY OTHER OR, OR ANY OTHER AREA YEAH.
SO THE, THE VOLUME IS JUST NOT SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO CREATE ANY KIND OF SIGNIFICANT DEGRADATION IN DELAY OR LEVEL OF SERVICE AT THAT INTERSECTION.
UM, ONE THING THAT DID SURPRISE ME WHEN I LOOKED AT YOUR PEAK, WHEN YOUR PEAK HOUR STUDY, UM, THAT 159, UH, TOWNHOUSES WITH A POPULATION JUST VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL TO 119 HOUSES GENERATED LESS PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC THAN THE 119 HOUSES.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHY THAT WOULD BE? YES.
UH, SO AS FAR AS THE, THE TRAFFIC PROJECTIONS THAT ARE LISTED IN THE F A S, THESE, THESE PROJECTIONS ARE BASED ON THE PUBLICATION FROM THE INSTITUTED TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS IN THEIR PUBLICATION, THE TRIP GENERATION MANUAL.
UM, AND IT'S INDUSTRY STANDARD PUBLICATION THAT IS BASED ON STUDIES CONDUCTED AT SIMILAR FACILITIES.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THERE'S A SPECIFIC VENUE USE FOR THAT THAT ARE BASED ON STUDIES FOR THAT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT.
THEN YOU HAVE OTHER ONES THAT ARE, UM, MULTI-FAMILY HOUSINGS, WHICH WOULD BE CLASSIFIED FOR THE TOWN HOMES THAT WAS UTILIZED FOR THESE PARTICULAR SCENARIOS.
SO THERE WERE STUDIES FOR THIS AS WELL.
SO THERE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, A BACKUP OR, UH, STUDIES DONE THAT TELL US ABOUT WHY THESE, THESE VOLUMES ARE LIKE THIS FOR THESE PARTICULAR LAND USES.
BUT, UM, WHAT COULD BE THE CASE IS THAT WHAT THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, YOU'RE PROBABLY MORE LIKELY TO HAVE, LIKE GARRETT HAD SAID EARLIER, YOU HAVE TWO HEADS OF HOUSEHOLDS AND YOU MIGHT HAVE TWO OR MORE VEHICLES FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME VERSUS A, A MULTIFAMILY, UM, SITUATION.
SO THAT MIGHT BE ONE OF THE, THE FACTORS WHY YOU'RE SEEING THAT.
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JUST CURIOUS.VOLUME 11 COME OUT BEFORE OR AFTER COVID? I'M SORRY, WHAT DID YOU SAY? DID VOLUME 11 OF, OF THE MANUAL COME UP BEFORE OR AFTER COVID? UH, VOLUME 11 ACTUALLY HAS A LOT OF THE SAME INFORMATION FROM VOLUME 10.
UM, BUT THEY REDISTRIBUTE IT, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF COVID INFORMATION IN THE, THE NEW 11 BECAUSE THAT CLEARLY COULD AFFECT, COULD, COULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON THOSE NUMBERS SIGNIFICANTLY.
'CAUSE I THINK PEOPLE'S WORK PATTERN HAS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY.
AND I'M NOT SURE, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TWO YEARS FROM NOW AT THIS POINT.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY MENTIONED, UM, IN THE, THE, UH, 11 EDITION IS TO GET FURTHER INFORMATION ON THESE LAND USES, YOU KNOW, AFTER THIS PANDEMIC AND, AND THINGS OKAY.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN OUR OFFICE HAS BEEN LOOKING AT PRE COVID CONDITIONS.
UM, BUT LIKE, HAVE YOU, AS YOU HAVE SAID, THERE HAS BEEN CHANGES TO WORK PATTERNS, BUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO GET BACK TO, UH, PRIOR COVID CONDITIONS NOW AS THINGS ARE MORE OPENING UP.
I KNOW OUR OFFICE IS ALMOST FULLY IN THE OFFICE TOO.
AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHO IS FIRST, TOM OR WALTER? WALTER WAS.
WALTER, UNMUTE WALTER, YOU'RE MUTED.
I I'M TRYING TO FIND THE, UM, THE TRAFFIC.
WAS THERE A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE SPECIFICALLY BETWEEN THE HOURS OF SIX 30 AND NINE 30 IN THE MORNING? I KNOW WE DID A TRAFFIC, BUT DID, UH, WAS THAT, WAS THIS SPECIFICALLY DONE BETWEEN THAT TIME? BECAUSE I THINK THO THAT INTERSECTION IS PROBABLY AT ITS WORST.
YOU TALKING ABOUT HARD HARTSDALE, RIGHT? THE HARTSDALE AVENUE? YEAH.
YEAH, THE HARTSDALE THAT I THINK THAT, AND THE OTHER QUESTION, YES.
UM, THE, THE ALTERNATE RAMP BEING BUILT IS, IS A GOOD SUGGESTION.
IN FACT, IT'S AN EXCELLENT SUGGESTION.
BUT IN REALISTICALLY, IF THIS, UH, PROJECT IS APPROVED, IT'LL BE DONE FAR, UH, LONG BEFORE THE STATE COMES IN WITH THE MONEY TO BUILD THAT RAMP.
SO IT'S A GOOD IDEA, BUT I THINK IT WILL NOT HAVE ANY, UH, IMMEDIATE EFFECT ON THE TRAFFIC OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
SO I THINK THE KEY IS THE TRAFFIC BETWEEN SIX 30 AND NINE 30.
MARK, CAN YOU RESPOND TO THAT PLEASE? YEAH, I, I'M TRYING TO LOOK FOR THAT INFORMATION RIGHT NOW, BUT I DO KNOW THAT BASED ON COMMENTS THAT WE, WE RECEIVED FROM, UH, UH, BERNIE ADLER, UH, WHO WAS YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT FOR THE TOWN, WE DID DO AN A T R ALONG A HUNDRED B AT LOOKING AT, UH, VOLUMES THROUGHOUT THE DAY, UM, OVER THERE.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE, BUT TYPICALLY WE DO SEVEN AND 9:00 AM AS FAR AS OUR COUNTS, BUT WE MIGHT'VE EXTENDED IT BASED ON, UH, BERNIE'S INPUT.
BUT COULD YOU PROVIDE US WITH THAT BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING PLEASE? OKAY.
TOM, UH, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ANY DEVELOPMENT, ANY ONE OF THESE ALTERNATIVES IS GOING TO INCREASE THE TRAFFIC ALONG THOSE CORRIDORS, RIGHT? SO NO MATTER WHICH ONE GETS CHOSEN, THERE'S GONNA BE AN IMPACT.
THE REAL QUESTION IS, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM AND ASIDE FROM THE ALTERNATIVE, A THE 55 PLUS THE OTHERS ARE FAIRLY CLOSE IN NUMBERS.
YOU KNOW, THE, UM, 1 59 IS ON THE LOW END.
THE ONE 19 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IS ON THE HIGH END, BUT THEY'RE ALL NOT THAT FAR APART.
SO JUST, IT'S NOT LIKE IF WE PICK ONE, IT'S GONNA BE SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER THAN ANOTHER UNLESS YOU WANT TO GO WITH, UM, ALTERNATIVE A, THE 1 75 AGE RESTRIC.
SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD WANNA TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC? ARE WE ALL GETTING TIRED? 'CAUSE IT'S LATE IN THE NIGHT? NO, NO, NO MORE TRAFFIC TAKERS TONIGHT.
YOU'RE GETTING OFF EASY, MY FRIEND.
UM, GARY, WHAT ELSE DO WE, UH, HAVE TO DISCUSS? UH, QUESTION.
UH, THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, UM, OWNERSHIP STRUCTURE, UH, REGARDING, UH, TAXATION AND, UH, PERHAPS OUR LOCAL LAW.
SO, AND, AND MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK I CAN BE FAIRLY BRIEF ON THIS 'CAUSE WE, WE OBVIOUSLY HEARD FROM YOU AND WE HEARD RATHER EXTENSIVELY FROM THE C A C
YEAH, I KNOW THE TOWN HAS TURNED TO
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THE APPLICANT AND ASKED THE APPLICANT TO POTENTIALLY DEVELOP TOWNHOUSE UNITS AND HAVE THEM CONVEYED IN A, UH, FEE SIMPLE FORMAT AND KEEP IT IN A FEE SIMPLE FORMAT.AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED, THIS IS REALLY THE TOWN'S ISSUE.
UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO COOPERATE AND DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO HELP FACILITATE THE TOWN'S GOAL ON THIS.
UM, THERE WERE QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSIONS, AS YOU MAY WELL IMAGINE, BETWEEN OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND THE TOWN BOARD, AND SPECIFICALLY SOME PEOPLE ON THE TOWN BOARD AND STAFF.
UM, AND WE'RE WILLING TO DO WHATEVER THE TOWN AND THE TOWN ATTORNEYS THINK WILL GIVE THE TOWN THE BEST CHANCE OF MAINTAINING THIS TAX STATUS.
BECAUSE THIS WAS A, AGAIN, I, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU HEAR THIS.
THIS IS THE TOWN'S REQUEST OF US.
SO MY CLIENT WANTED TO DO CONDOMINIUM FORM OF OWNERSHIP, JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER HUS AND TOWNHOUSES IN GREENBURG, BUT WE WERE SPECIFICALLY ASKED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I I GOT SOME VERY INSIGHTFUL AND DETAILED QUESTIONS FROM THE C A C ABOUT THE ENFORCEABILITY.
UM, ALL, ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS MY CLIENT'S WILLING TO DO A DEEDED THAT INDICATES THAT THESE ARE FEE SIMPLE UNITS.
MY CLIENT IS WILLING TO PUT A STATEMENT IN ITS H O A DECLARATION THAT THE UNITS ARE CONVEYED IN FEE SIMPLE WITH A FULL EXPECTATION THAT THEY WOULD REMAIN THAT WAY.
AND TIM AND I HAD SOME RATHER DETAILED CONVERSATIONS ON THIS TOPIC.
UNLIKE THE LANDING WHERE YOU ALL APPROVED THE LANDING AND THE LANDING, ULTIMATELY, I, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, TRIED TO REINVENT ITSELF.
THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING ME,
UM, THE, THE, THE LANDING WAS, WAS APPROVED AS A FEE SIMPLE H O A, YES.
AND THEN IT TRIED TO REINVENT ITSELF LEGALLY AS A CONDOMINIUM.
THE DIFFERENCE FOR US, AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST AN OBSERVATION, NOT A LEGAL OPINION TO THE TOWN AND THE COMMUNITY, IS THAT OUR PURCHASERS WOULD BE ON NOTICE FROM DAY ONE THAT THEY'RE BUYING INTO SOMETHING THAT IS FEE SIMPLE.
AND IN THE H O A IT SAYS THE TOWN EXPECTS IT TO REMAIN THAT WAY.
BEYOND THAT, YOU ALL SHOULD FEEL FREE TO CONFER WITH THE TOWN ATTORNEY AND GET YOUR OWN OPINIONS ON THE PERPETUAL ENFORCEABILITY.
WE'RE HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE IN ANY WAY WE CAN.
UH, BEFORE YOU GO, MISS, UH, DAVID FRIED, I JUST WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING.
FIRST OF ALL, IN REGARDS TO DOBBS, UH, IT WAS A CONVERSION AND IT WAS BEFORE OUR, THE, UH, WE PASSED A LAW TO DISCOURAGE THOSE KINDS OF CONVERSIONS.
I DO WANNA TELL YOU THE, THE ONLY REASON WHY, AND YOU KNOW THIS, DAVID, I THINK MR. STEINS, UH, VERY WELL.
IT DOES HAVE AN ECONOMIC IMPACT, CLEARLY A SIGNIFICANT ECONOMIC IMPACT ON THE DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD, IF IT, IF IT WERE FOUND TO BE A SIGNIFICANT RISK.
AND I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK FOR THE TOWN BOARD 'CAUSE I, UM, IT'S NOT MY JOB, BUT, UM, IT'S ABOVE MY PAY GRADE TOO SIGNIFICANTLY.
UM, BUT CLEARLY IT COULD PUT DOUBT IN SOME BOARD MEMBERS, TOWN BOARD MEMBERS MIND, I WOULD THINK OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANTED TO APPROVE THIS VERSUS SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING.
I DON'T KNOW THAT TO BE BE A FACT, BUT IT, IT, IT CLEARLY COULD BE A FACTOR ON, ON WHICH OF THESE WE CHOOSE.
BUT FRANKLY, OUTSIDE OF FLAGGING IT AS AN ISSUE, THAT'S THE TOM BOARD'S ISSUE MORE THAN IT IS OUR ISSUE.
THAT'S THE WAY I, I LOOK AT IT.
UM, THE FRUSTRATING THING, I THINK, AND DAVID, YOU CAN TELL DAVID FRIED, UH, YOU CAN TELL ME I THOUGHT THERE WAS A CONTROLLER'S OPINION ON OUR LAW.
UM, I'M NOT SURE, AND YOU CAN OPINE IF THERE IS OR NOT.
UM, THE ISSUE COMES DOWN TO WHAT IS ACTUALLY REGISTERED, I BELIEVE IN THE COUNTY OF WESTCHESTER.
AND WHAT, UH, OUR ASSESSOR AND HER MINISTERIAL DUTIES.
UH, ACTUALLY REGISTERS THE DEEDED AS ON THE TAX ROLLS.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY A KEY IN THIS WHOLE THING AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
BUT DAVID, FREE ENLIGHTEN US ALL PLEASE.
UM, THE BEST THAT I OF MY ABILITY, UM, CORRECT.
THE TOWN PASSED A LAW, UH, THAT THAT LAW PASSED, UH, ALMOST FOUR YEARS AGO.
UM, THAT LAW ITSELF WAS BASED ON A 1997 LAW, UH,
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BY NEW YORK STATE, WHICH ALLOWED MUNICIPALITIES, UH, TO PREVENT LOWER ASSESSMENTS OF CONVERTED CONDOMINIUMS. NOW, WE'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM MR. STEINMETZ, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO, UM, HAVE THIS, UM, THIS IS GONNA BE DEEDED AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE A CONDOMINIUM.THE QUESTION IS, WELL, WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, REGARDLESS OF THE DEED OR NOT, THEY DO, UH, UM, HOMEOWNERS GET TOGETHER AND THEY, THEY CHANGE IT? UH, I CAN'T GIVE YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT GUARANTEE, BUT I AM VERY CONFIDENT IN SAYING THAT THIS LAW, OR THE ENABLING LAW BY NEW YORK STATE WAS PASSED 25 YEARS AGO.
THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, OVER 40 MUNICIPALITIES WHO HAVE, UM, PROVIDED SIMILAR LAWS.
UM, I DID A SEARCH, I COULD NOT FIND ANY CHALLENGES TO THAT LAW BY ANY MUNI, UH, AGAINST ANY MUNICIPALITIES.
UM, THERE WAS A PRACTICE COMMENTARY, UM, WRITTEN BY SOMEONE WHO I KNOW I CONTACTED THAT CONTACTED THAT PERSON LAST NIGHT, ASKED IF HE WAS AWARE OF ANY SUCH CASES.
HE WAS NOT AWARE OF ANY SUCH CASES.
SO I AM COMFORTABLE, I MEAN, YOU NEVER KNOW, UH, THERE COULD BE A CHALLENGE THERE, BUT NO ONE HAS CHALLENGED IT IN 25 YEARS.
THE LAW IS, HAS BEEN AN ACTIVE PURSUANT TO NEW YORK STATE LAW FOR THIS PURPOSE.
SO I'M COMFORTABLE IN SAYING THAT THERE IS MINIMAL RISK IN DOING IT THIS WAY.
A AGAIN, I I I I THINK WE'RE NOT GONNA SOLVE IT.
AND IT WAS THE 1997, THE HOMESTEAD ACT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
IT WAS THE, UM, WHAT'S IT, IT WAS CALLED, UH, I DON'T HAVE THE, UH, OKAY.
I THINK PREVENTING, PREVENTING LOWER ASSESSMENTS OF CONVERTED CONDOMINIUMS. OKAY.
I MEAN, THE REAL REAL QUESTION IS WHETHER ALL LAW'S IN CONFLICT WITH THE CONDO ACT, RIGHT? THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE QUESTION IS.
BUT, BUT THERE HASN'T BEEN A CHALLENGE TO IT YET.
AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S FOR THE TOWN BOARD TO DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO TAKE THE RISKS, THE BEST WE CAN DO AS A BOARD TO SAY, YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THIS, THAT'S ALL.
AND DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S, I'M NOT SURE IN OUR CASE IT WILL BE MATERIAL THAT'S ONE OF, GONNA BE ONE OF OUR FINDINGS.
WHETHER WE THINK IT'S A MATERIAL, IF IT CHANGE, WOULD IT CHANGE OUR RECOMMENDATION IF IT WEREN'T FEE SIMPLE? I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DECIDE AT THE NEXT MEETING WHEN WE DO FINDINGS.
GARRETT, WERE THERE ANY OTHER THINGS THAT WE MISSED? 'CAUSE WE'RE RUNNING OUTTA TIME.
LET ME TAKE A LOOK AT THE, UH, LIST.
I, I WOULD SAY I WOULD DEFER TO PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS IF THEY HAVE ANY, ANYTHING ADDITIONAL.
COVERED A MAJORITY OF WHAT WE HAD THERE.
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT TONIGHT? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.
FAIR WARNING ON MICHAEL GOLDEN AT THE LAST MINUTE.
YEAH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON, ON THAT LAST ALTERNATIVE, WITH THAT CIRCULAR, YOU KNOW, TOWNHOUSES, WHAT DO YOU GUYS PLAN TO PUT IN THE MIDDLE? BATTERY STORAGE.
BUT YOU KNOW, I, I HAD IN MIND SOMETHING MORE LIKE, YOU KNOW, A
HAVE YOU GUYS THOUGHT OF THAT YET? YEAH, WE, WE DO GET AN OPPORTUNITY AT, UH, BRETT.
WELL, DAVID, DAVID, I'M SORRY, BRETT WAS GONNA SPEAK I THINK.
YEAH, I MEAN WE TYPICALLY WOULD DO PATHS WITH SOME LANDSCAPING, MAYBE A GAZEBO WHERE PEOPLE COULD SIT.
UH, WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS, I'M SORRY IF THERE IS A PLAYGROUND, I PREFER IT CLOSER TO THE CLUBHOUSE WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU KEEP THE NOISE TO
WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY WAS THAT WE, UH, THIS WILL COME BACK, BACK IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD FOR SITE PLAN SO WE CAN BE, UH, MUCH MORE SPECIFIC AND ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.
UH, AND I'M GLAD AND I'M SORRY, I SORRY TO INTERRUPT, UH, BRETT ON THIS, BUT UH, YOU GET A BITE, ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE ON THIS, MICHAEL.
COULD YOU TAKE DOWN THE SCREEN PLEASE? AND MICHAEL, WE'RE AWARE YOU'RE, YOU, YOU IN PARTICULAR HAVE MADE IT QUITE CLEAR THAT YOU WANT US TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT AREA.
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WE TALK ABOUT THAT AREA, YOUR NAME COMES UP.SO WE'RE AWARE WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO ADDRESS IT.
HOPEFULLY MICHAEL GOLDEN PARK.
AND ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD ASK A QUESTION? YEAH, WALTER? YEAH, I HAVE ONE.
YEAH, JUST THAT, UH, AGAIN, IF, IF, IF THIS 1 59, UH, UM, A UNIT WAS APPROVED, WE WOULD GET THE LAND, BUT WITHOUT ANY IN, UH, FUNDS FOR IMPROVEMENT.
AND I WONDERING IF, UH, MRS. STEIN, YOU JUST TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY TO HELP US BUILD OUT THAT PROPERTY.
SO, UH, AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WALTER, WE WE'VE TRIED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH FOLKS IN THE TOWN AND, AND WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.
UM, I, I THINK IF, IF IT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED TO ME BY SOME IN THE TOWN THAT SINCE THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT FOR A 10% AFFORDABLE, UM, VOLUNTARY CONTRIBUTION, UH, HERE, IF, IF THAT NUMBER WERE REDUCED, THEN IT ABSOLUTELY FREES UP MONEY TO PROGRAM OUT THAT PARK.
SO, UM, WE, WE, FROM THE OUTSET OF THIS APPLICATION.
LET ME, LET ME JUST ADJUST ONE THING AND WE'RE GONNA COME TO A CLOSE.
JUST IN THE COMMENT YOU JUST MADE, MR. STEIN, THE 10% IS WHAT'S GETTING YOU WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
SO I WOULD CONSIDER IT AT THIS POINT, IF YOU WANT THE 1 59 TO BE A GIVEN, UH, IT IS CONSISTENT.
WHAT GARRETT SAID EARLY ON, GARRETT AND I HAVE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS, UM, AND WE SAID, LOOK, WE KNOW WE'RE DOWN ZONING.
WE KNOW THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD TAKE, IF YOU TAKE THE, THE, UM, THE COMP PLAN LITERALLY THAT WE'RE DOING SOMETHING COUNTER THE THE COMP PLAN.
BUT LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE WE DO ON THE PLANNING BOARD, WE HAVE TO BALANCE THE POSITIVES VERSUS THE NEGATIVES.
ONE OF THE POSITIVES, MY FRIEND, OKAY, IS THOSE 10% OKAY OR NINE POINT A HALF PERCENT.
'CAUSE YOU GUYS OBVIOUSLY ARE BAD AT MATH, BUT
THAT'S ALSO WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM, I'M SURE.
BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THESE ARE VERY, BECAUSE OF THE, UM, SIMPLE TAX AND THE FORM, THE WESTCHESTER FORMULA, THE, THE SALE PRICE OF THESE, THESE UNITS IS VERY, VERY LOW.
THAT'S VERY LOW FOR, FOR, FOR ANYTHING KICKING A GARAGE IN WESTCHESTER FOR THAT THESE DAYS.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT YOU'RE TIGHT ON ON THESE.
BUT AS I SAID, I, I THINK ONE, I THINK IN THE COMP PLAN, THE SPIRIT OF THE COMP PLAN CLEARLY IS THAT THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A 10% HOLDBACK, FRANKLY.
AND GARRETT AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THE LAW, UM, THE PUD WHEN WHEN WE DID THE PUD, WE WEREN'T THINKING, 'CAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS ESSENTIALLY CONVERTING A RE A SINGLE FAMILY ZONE TO A MULTIFAMILY.
AND WE JUST FORGOT TO TO, IN THE LAW, FRANKLY, WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND PATCH THE LAW, RIGHT, OKAY.
TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE AT A LATER DATE.
IT'S NOT ADDRESSED, BUT IT WAS ADDRESSED IN THE COMP PLAN.
SO IGNORING THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER STRIKE OF WHY NOT TO DO IT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT VERY, VERY CLEAR.
TOTALLY, TOTALLY APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT.
AND, AND I JUST WANT JUST, I I I KNOW WE'RE RUNNING OUTTA TIME.
I WANT TO CLOSE WITH ONE FINAL COMMENT 'CAUSE I MADE MY COMMENT AND UM, I CERTAINLY SAW A HEADS SHAKING.
AND MONA, I SAW YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE ADVANTAGE OF ZOOM.
YOU CAN'T MISS ANYTHING 'CAUSE EVERYBODY'S RIGHT THERE.
RIGHT? UM, I WANNA REMIND YOU THAT MY CLIENT HAS ALSO BEEN ASKED TO DO SOMETHING THAT THE LAW DOES NOT ALLOW THE GOVERNMENT TO DO, BUT HE'S VOLUNTARILY AGREED TO DO IT AGAIN.
AND THAT IS TO IMPOSE A FORM OF OWNERSHIP.
F G L AND L PROP, UH, F G L AND L VERSUS THE CITY OF RYE.
AND THERE'S A HOST OF OTHER CASES, THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT MANDATE FORM OF OWNERSHIP, BUT WE'VE CAPITULATED AT A REQUEST.
SO IF YOU ALL SAID TO MY CLIENT, FORGET THE FEE.
GO BACK TO THE CONDO FORM OF OWNERSHIP, WHICH IS WHAT THE APPLICANT WANTED.
BUT PROBABLY GOING BACK TO WALTER'S QUESTION AND MONA'S HEAD SHAKING, THAT PROBABLY FREES UP THE ABILITY TO GO BACK TO THE PROGRAMMING.
MY HEAD IS SHAKING NOW MY HEAD IS SHAKING.
WELL THE THING IS THAT THAT WOULD, I THINK UNDER THE FORMULA,
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IF I'M CORRECT, WHEN I DID THE ARITHMETIC, I THINK WALTER, YOU AND I DID THE ARITHMETIC ONE DAY, RIGHT? THEY WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE SALE PRICE OF THE CONDOS.BUT I THINK THE CLOSE TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS I THINK IN THE FORMULA I RECALL, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
AGAIN, I WANNA THANK EVERYBODY.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA THANK OUR BOARD FOR ACTUALLY FOR DOING LOTS OF HOMEWORK ON THIS.
AND, AND DAVID, THEY'VE WORKED VERY, VERY HARD AND, AND EVERYBODY GOING THROUGH THE F A S AS WELL AS WE CAN.
I WANNA THANK BOTH GARRETT AND AARON AND MATT WHEREVER HE IS TONIGHT.
UM, 'CAUSE MATT WORKS HARD AND NEVER GETS ANY CREDIT FOR WHAT HE DOES.
BUT HE DOES A LOT OF THIS TOO TO, TO GET HELP, GET US PREPARED FOR THIS MEETING.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A VERY PRODUCTIVE MEETING AND THANK YOU, UH, DAVID, YOU KNOW, FOR HAVING THE FRANK BACK AND FORTH LIKE WE ALWAYS DO WHEN WE MEET WITH YOU AND, AND JIM, UH, KEEP YOUR PARTNER, YOUR PARTNER, A J M C, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM IN A LONG TIME.
YOU KNOW, NEVER SEE HIM ANYMORE.
AND BRETT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND KAREN, WE HAVEN'T MET YET, BUT HELLO.
I I'VE HEARD YOUR NAME, IT'S BEEN USED, USED IN VAIN, BUT, BUT, UH, WELCOME.
OUR OUR OUR NEXT STEP IS I THINK, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
I THINK WE CAN START THINKING ABOUT FINDINGS AND SHOULD ABOUT FORMULATING FINDINGS AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
THAT'S GONNA BE OUR GOAL AT THE NEXT MEETING SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A WRITTEN DOCUMENT READY FOR APPROVAL ON APRIL 6TH.
WE APPRECIATE THAT AND WE APPRECIATE ALL THE, THE TIME YOU, YOU HAVE PUT IN.
AND JUST TO REMIND ALL OF YOU, IF IT WASN'T FOR THE PLANNING BOARD THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO, WHENEVER IT WAS, UM, WE WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN OUT OF THE STARTING GATE ON THIS.
UH, YOU MAY NOT REMEMBER, BUT IN A RATHER UNORTHODOX FASHION.
I WROTE WALTER A LETTER AND ASKED TO GET ON AN AGENDA TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT MY CLIENT'S DESIRE TO REZONE THE PROPERTY AND START A PROCESS.
YOU BROUGHT US IN, YOU ALLOWED US TO TALK TO YOU.
AND THAT GOT US OUT OF THE STARTING GATE WITH THE TOWN BOARD.
'CAUSE WE HAD BEEN PARKED ON THE SIDELINE BY THE TOWN BOARD.
SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, THAT FOR JONATHAN THAT I REMIND ALL OF YOU, YOU ALL HELPED GET THIS THING GOING SO THAT THE TOWN OF GREENBURG LOOKED AT ELMWOOD AS POSSIBLY SOMETHING OTHER THAN A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.
WE SPENT THE LAST THREE AND A HALF, FOUR YEARS DOING THAT.
SO WE THANK YOU FOR THAT AND FOR THE TIME YOU PUT IN TONIGHT.
THANKS GUYS AND EVERYBODY BE SAFE AND I WILL SEE EVERYBODY ON THE 14TH OF MARCH.