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[ DRAFT TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA MONDAY, March 14, 2022 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
OKAY, I GOT THAT.GOOD EVENING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
WELCOME TO THE MARCH 14TH INSTEAD OF 17TH.
UH, 16TH, UH, MEETING OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
WE'RE TWO DAYS EARLY AS A RESULT OF THE JEWISH HOLIDAY ON WEDNESDAY, WHICH IS PURIM FOR ALL OF YOUR HAMAN FANS OUT THERE.
UM, WE'VE GOT A VERY FULL SCHEDULE TONIGHT.
I'VE GOT A LOT IN WORK SESSION, AND I THINK WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING, IF I RECALL RIGHT, A COUPLE PUBLIC HEARINGS AS WELL.
UH, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMID, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? MY PLEASURE.
WE'LL NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT AT THIS POINT MR. SNAGS IS NOT WITH US.
UH, THERE WERE A COUPLE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE, UH, MR. SCHMIDT, UM, UH, BETWEEN THE TIME IT WENT OUT AND NOW, COULD YOU JUST GO OVER WHAT THOSE CHANGES WERE AND THEN WE'LL ASK FOR ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? YES.
THANK YOU CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ.
SO FIRST I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO JUST MAKE A QUICK NOTE WITH RESPECT TO THE FEBRUARY 16TH MINUTES.
UM, YOU MAY RECALL THAT THAT WAS RELATED TO ONE OF OUR DISCUSSIONS ON ELMWOOD AT THAT TIME, AND WE JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE'S STATEMENT, WHICH WAS LENGTHY AND DETAILED, WAS INSTEAD OF, UM, YOU KNOW, SUMMARIZING IN THE WORK SESSION MINUTES, WE JUST ADDED THAT AS, UH, AN ATTACHMENT TO THOSE APPROVED MINUTES.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT.
WITH RESPECT TO THE DRAFT MARCH 2ND, 2022 MINUTES, WE MADE, UH, A COUPLE OF REVISIONS.
THAT LAST PARAGRAPH, WHICH STARTS WITH COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE REQUESTED, UH, I'LL JUST READ IT.
COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE REQUESTED THE APPLICANT DISCUSS THE ECONOMICS OF THE VARIOUS ALTERNATIVES OUTLINED IN THE F I S.
MR. STEINITZ STATED THAT THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO FACILITATE WHATEVER THE TOWN THINKS WILL ALLOW IT TO RETAIN A FEE SIMPLE TAX STRUCTURE, INCLUDING PUTTING INTO THE H O A DOCUMENTS THAT THE TAX STRUCTURE IS FEE SIMPLE.
WE THEN ADDED, HE INDICATED THAT BECAUSE HE IS NOT THE TOWN'S ATTORNEY, HE IS NOT IN A POSITION TO OFFER A LEGAL OPINION REGARDING THE LONG-TERM VIABILITY OF ANY ASPECT, ASPECTS OF THE SITE'S TAXATION FOLLOWING SENTENCE CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ NOTED THAT THE TOWN HAS A LAW, WE CHANGED IT TO PROHIBIT.
WE CHANGED THAT TO PROHIBIT IT WAS DISCOURAGED, ACCURATE TO PROHIBIT.
THOSE WERE THE TWO MODIFICATIONS, UNLESS OTHERS HAVE SUGGESTED ANY OTHER CHANGES TO THE, UH, MINUTES BESIDES THOSE.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED THEN.
DID YOU EVER CHANGE WALTER? YEAH, I, UM, I SIGNED TO FIND IT, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S IN THE VERY LAST PART OF THE MINUTES WHERE IT INDICATED THAT, UM, MODIFICATIONS, UH, THIS IS IN REGARDS TO THE BEST, UH, COMPONENTS IN THE SHOPPING CENTER AND THE DISCUSSION WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND IT SAID THAT THE, THE MODIFICATIONS WERE MADE, UH, IN THE DESIGN OF THE UNITS TO PREVENT, UM, UH, UH, RUNAWAY, UH, UH, CONDITIONS, UH, IN THE UNIT, THE WHOLE RUNAWAY RIGHT, AND EXPLOSION BECAUSE NOT ONLY DID THEY PUT IN THE SEPARATORS, THEY ALSO VENTED.
SO IT ALSO PUTS TO PREVENT RUNAWAY AND EXPLOSIONS.
SO THE WORD AND EXPLOSION SHOULD BE PART OF THAT.
AARON, YOU GET THAT? I DO HAVE THAT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH PARAGRAPH, BUT I CAN AT THE VERY END.
WHAT PAGE IS THAT, WALTER? UH, AARON, I BELIEVE IT'S ON PAGE FOUR, THE MIDDLE, UH, PARAGRAPH.
AND THEN, OKAY, UH, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MR. GRODEN MAKING, OH YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
1, 2, 3, 4 PARAGRAPHS AT THE VERY LAST SENTENCE.
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YES.THE STATEMENT BY COMMISSIONER GRODEN? YEAH.
MR. GRODEN? YEAH, IT, IT SHOULD BE AN EXPLOSION BECAUSE IT'S VENTED.
ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER CHANGES? AND COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED, PLEASE? SO MOVED.
ALL OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIES.
UH, LET'S START WITH THE WORK SESSION WITH THE, UH, JUMBO EYE PROJECT, WHICH IS PB 2117.
IT'S, UH, PLANNING, UH, BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE MOVER PER PERMIT.
WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS A DECISION THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET FROM, UM, LAST THIS WEEK.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DECISION? I WAS ONLY GONNA BRING TO THE BOARD MEMBER'S ATTENTION.
UM, SOME SPECIAL CONDITIONS, WHICH ARE CONDITIONS, 5.1, 5.2, AND 5.3 ON PAGE SEVEN OF THE DRAFT.
I'LL JUST, I CAN RECITE THOSE VERY QUICKLY.
LOOKS LIKE MR. SNAS IS, UH, JOINING IN.
SO WE'LL NOTE THAT, UH, MR. SNAGS CAME IN AT 7 0 7.
OKAY, SO 5.1 OF THE DRAFT DECISION JUST INDICATES THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL INSTALL LANDSCAPING AROUND THE TIERED RETAINING WALLS AS SHOWN ON THE PLAN ENTITLED LANDSCAPE PLAN SHEET L FOUR, DATED 4 23 21, PREPARED BY DANIEL SHERMAN.
SO THAT WAS, I KNOW THE BOARD HAD WANTED TO SEE A LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND HE DID PROVIDE THAT, AND WE SAW IT AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
A 5.2 INDICATES THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH SECTION 2 85, 36 G OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH SETS FORTH WITH REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SUPPLEMENTARY USE OF SWIMMING POOLS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEGUN TO ADD WITH SWIMMING POOLS, UH, AT THE REQUEST AND SUGGESTION AND ADVICE OF MR. FREED.
SO, UM, THAT'S A GOOD, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS ARE AWARE OF SECTION 2 85, 36 G AND THAT THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH IT.
AND LASTLY, 5.3 STATES, SHOULD THE APPLICANT OR ITS SUCCESSORS IN INTEREST WISH TO DEWATER THE POOL, IT MUST COORDINATE WITH THE TOWN'S BUREAU OF ENGINEERING BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND CONSOLIDATED SEWER DISTRICT TO ALLOW FOR THE REMOVAL OF THE WATER VIA THE SEWER DISTRICT'S SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM.
SO, IF YOU RECALL, THEY INDICATED THERE WAS A MANHOLE IN THE FRONT YARD THAT RAN THROUGH AN EASEMENT, AND THAT THEY, THEIR INTENTIONS FOR DEWATERING THE POOL WERE TO, UM, PUT THE WATER INTO THAT SYSTEM, THAT SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM.
THE BOARD ASKED ME TO CONTACT OUR BUREAU OF ENGINEERING TO FIND OUT IF THAT WAS PERMISSIBLE.
IT CERTAINLY IS, AND IT'S PREFERABLE.
SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD DESIGN BY THE APPLICANT.
AND, UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THOSE TO YOUR ATTENTION.
THERE ARE TWO VOTES THIS EVENING, ONE ON THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND THE OTHER ON THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THIS, UH, UH, REQUEST.
SO, DEWATERING IS, UH, A ALLOW, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO DO IT, UH, BY KIND OF TRANSPORTING THE WATER.
THEY CAN, IF THEY CAN FIND A, UM, MANHOLE.
OR JUST FOR SPECIFIC THIS PART PLACE, IF THEY HAVE, IF IT'S AVAILABLE TO THEM.
OUR BUREAU OF ENGINEERING HAS INDICATED THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DE-WATER THE POOL INTO THE SANITARY SEWER LINE.
NOT THE STORM SEWER OUT IN THE ROAD.
THE SANITARY SEWER LINE IN THIS CASE, THERE'S A SANITARY SEWER LINE THAT RUNS THROUGH AN EASEMENT IN THEIR FRONT YARD.
AND THERE'S A, AN AVAILABLE MANHOLE.
THEY IDENTIFY THE MANHOLE, CORRECT.
SO, SO THEY, THEY CAN DO IT IN SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM, CORRECT? YES.
WHICH SHOULD, WHICH SHOULD ALL ACTUALLY HELP THE SYSTEM? IS CHLORINE GOING INTO A SEWER SYSTEM? SURE.
CAN I HAVE A, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE STEEP SLOPES PERMIT? SO MOVED.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, TOM.
CAN I NOW HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT? SO, MOVED.
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UM, SECOND WAL, UH, WALTER, THEN MONA, SECOND.THIS IS A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT TO, UH, MOVE THE PLAY AREA AT METROPOLIS COUNTRY CLUB.
UH, WE'RE HERE TO, JUST TO FINALIZE, ARE THERE ANY SPECIAL CONDITIONS AT ALL IN THIS ONE? UH, AARON? UH, NO.
IN FACT, IN THIS PARTICULAR DECISION, THERE ARE NO SPECIAL CONDITIONS TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, AS YOU CORRECTLY NOTED.
TWO VOTES THIS EVENING, ONE ON THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND THE OTHER ON THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS? NO.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT? PLEASE MOVE.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT? SO MOVED.
WE'RE JUST DONE WITH METROPOLIS FOR YOU.
ALTHOUGH I THINK WE SEE YOU LATER ANYWAY, I BELIEVE.
UM, WE'RE HERE TO CONTINUE A WORK SESSION ON THIS PROJECT.
IT'S PB 20 20 13 SOUTHWOOD PLACE.
IT'S A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION, IT'S A CONTINUATION OF A WORK SESSION FROM JANUARY.
UH, MR. SCHMIDT, COULD YOU FILL IN SOME OF THE DETAILS PLEASE? AND BY THE WAY, WE'RE GOING, GIVEN WE HAVE A TIGHT SCHEDULE, WE MAY OR MAY NOT FINISH THIS TONIGHT.
SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO LIMIT OUR DISCUSSION ON THIS TONIGHT TO 20 MINUTES.
SO AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ INDICATED, THIS ITEM IS CASE NUMBER PB 20 DASH 20 NEWMAN, LOCATED AT 13 SOUTHWOOD PLACE PO.
WHITE PLAINS IN THE R 7.51 FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION OF ONE EXISTING LOT INTO TWO BUILDABLE LOTS FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONSTRUCTING ONE NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH RELATED IMPROVEMENTS.
THE PROJECT REQUIRES THE REMOVAL OF ONE REGULATED TREE REQUIRING A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
NO REGULATED STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE OR WETLAND WATERCOURSE DISTURBANCE IS PROPOSED AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
THE TOWN BUILDING INSPECTOR HAS DETERMINED THAT THE FOLLOWING AREA VARIANCE IS REQUIRED FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
YOU MAY RECALL THAT THE LOT WIDTH IN THIS PROPOSAL DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIRED 75 FEET.
IT IS 59 FEET PROPOSED, SO IT'S A NARROW LOT.
UH, YOU MAY RECALL THAT WE LAST DISCUSSED THIS PROJECT AT OUR JANUARY 19TH WORK SESSION WHERE THE PLANNING BOARD DECLARED ITS INTENT TO SERVE AS LEAD AGENCY FOR PURPOSES OF SEEKER REVIEW.
THE Z B A HAS ISSUED NO OBJECTION TO THE PLANNING BOARD'S INTENT.
SO AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD MAY WISH TO VOTE TO DECLARE ITSELF LEAD AGENCY.
I, UH, I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO DECLARE ITSELF LEAD AGENCY.
DO HAVE A SECOND? YEAH, I SECOND CORRECT.
STAFF HAS PREPARED A DRAFT SEEKER NEGATIVE DECLARATION FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT.
OTHERWISE, YOU MAY CONSIDER VOTING UPON IT.
YOU DO AN UNLISTED ACTION FIRST AND THEN THEN NEG, THEN THE NE DECK, THEN THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
ANY DISCUSSION ON, ON THE SEEKER ASPECT OF THIS AT THIS TIME? FROM ANYBODY? OKAY.
I MOVE, UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS? AN UNLISTED ACTION.
THEN I MOVE, I MOVE, UH, SECOND TOM WALTER SECONDS.
UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS? A NEGATIVE DECLARATION UNDER SEEKER.
MONA, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
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MOTION CARRIES.LASTLY, BEFORE WE TURN THINGS OVER TO THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, AS MENTIONED, THIS PROJECT DOES REQUIRE ONE AREA OF VARIANCE AS PROPOSED, AND THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS IS AWAITING A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, WHICH CAN BE DISCUSSED.
FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION, I'LL NOW TURN THINGS OVER TO THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
HEY, BEFORE WE DO, I JUST WANNA SAY WE HAVE TWO THINGS AND WE'RE, THAT ARE STILL UNFINISHED BUSINESS ON THIS PROJECT.
ONE IS WHAT, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IN TERMS OF A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD, AND THEN EVENTUALLY, UH, WE HAVE TO DECIDE ON THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION.
SO WE HAVE TWO MORE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE TO DO IN THIS PROJECT.
WE'LL HAVE A FUTURE PUBLIC HEARING AFTER THE ZBA HAS MADE ITS DECISION.
SO, UH, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE YOU PRESENT THIS EVENING, THAT WOULD BE FROM MR. STEIN'S OFFICE.
UH, IT WAS THE, IT WAS JUST CHECKING RIGHT NOW.
UM, MY WHY DON'T WE, WELL, WHY DON'T WE JUST, I CAN TELL YOU GO AHEAD.
I WAS GONNA SAY, WHY DON'T WE, WE COULD, IF YOU ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TELL US ABOUT THE PROJECT OR WE COULD JUST MOVE ON AND HOPE HE SHOWS UP LATER AND COME BACK TO IT.
I, I'M QUICKLY JUST GONNA INDICATE THAT AND, UM, CYNTHIA, I SEE THAT MAYBE, ARE YOU, IF YOU'RE TAKING THIS DOWN? NO.
UM, THE UPDATES QUICKLY ARE THAT THE APPLICANT REVISED ITS PLANS.
IF YOU RECALL THERE, AND I CAN SHOW THEM IF YOU NEED, IF WE NEED TO, BUT, UM, THERE WERE THESE CONCRETE STRIPS THAT CAME OFF THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY AND THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN WITH THOSE STRIPS AND WHAT WERE, WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THEM? THEY WERE IDENTIFIED AS, YOU KNOW, THE WHEELS OF A CAR WOULD PULL ON TO BE ABLE TO PARK IN THAT AREA.
THOSE ARE GONNA BE REMOVED SO THAT THE LOTS ARE IN COMPLIANCE OTHER THAN THE LOT WIDTH OF THE NEW LOT.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT THEY DID WAS THEY MODIFIED THE LANDSCAPING PLAN TO PROVIDE A MORE, MORE DIVERSE PLANTING SCHEME AND MORE SCREENING AS REQUESTED BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
DID, DID THEY ANS RE REFRESH MY MEMORY BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE HEARD THIS.
DID THEY ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN TERMS OF OTHER SUBSTANDARD LOTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? THEY DID.
SO YOU MAY RECALL, AND I DON'T HAVE THAT HANDY, BUT AT THE LAST WORK SESSION, UH, THEY DID IDENTIFY THAT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF LOTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY, THEY, THEY PUT TOGETHER A MAP THAT SHOWED, UM, ALL THE VARIOUS LOTS THAT WERE SUBSTANDARD IN TERMS OF LOT WIDTH IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND WITHIN THAT R SEVEN FIVE ZONE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY WEREN'T, YOU KNOW, OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE SURROUNDING LOTS.
I REMEMBER MR. SIMON ASKING A COUPLE OF FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS AND INDICATING THAT, THAT HE HAD ONCE LIVED IN THE AREA.
UM, THERE WERE OTHER QUESTIONS FROM OTHER MEMBERS AS WELL, AND I, I THOUGHT THE APPLICANT DID A GOOD JOB AT DEMONSTRATING THAT TO THE BOARD.
UM, I THINK BEFORE WE GO ON, UH, ONE, KARA ONE THING I THINK IF YOU, AARON, IF YOU CAN PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN, I ONLY HAD A COMMENT ABOUT THE, UH, THE, THE DRIVEWAY CUTOUT.
UH, AND OPPOSITE TO THAT HOUSE, THEY HAD A SAME THING.
SO IF THEY CAN FLIP IT, IT WILL SORT OF, UH, STAGGER THE DRIVEWAYS COMING OUT.
UH, WHEN I LOOK AT THE FINAL PLAN, THAT WAS MY COMMENT, I'M GONNA SHARE IT RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DO WITH THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION STAGE ANYWAY.
CORRECT? THEY'RE NOT REALLY HERE TO REACT TO IT.
BUT THAT'S, NO, IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD COMMENT.
I DON'T MEAN TO SAY IT WASN'T.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S SORT OF, UH, UH, MOST OF THE OTHER HOUSES, THEY HAVE A STAGGERED, UH, DRIVEWAY COMING OUT TO THE STREET.
THAT, THAT COMES OUT STRAIGHT STRAIGHT ACROSS.
SO IF THEY CAN FLIP IT, THAT WILL MAKE IT A, MAKE IT A KIND OF BETTER, A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY.
BUT YOU'RE SAYING TO OFFSET THE DRIVEWAY FROM THE NEIGHBOR AT SEVEN? IT'S NOT DIRECTLY, SO IT'S NOT DIRECTLY ACROSS IS WHAT HE'S SAYING? YEAH.
LET'S JUST GO TO THE, I MEAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
THESE WERE THE STRIPS THAT I WAS REFERRING TO, CORRECT.
IF YOU RECALL, THIS IS A SECOND DRIVEWAY THAT THEY'RE GONNA DEMOLISH AND THEY ARE GONNA TAKE OUT THESE STRIPS.
UM, SO YOU'RE SAYING THE FLIP IT, I UNDERSTAND.
I CAN, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AT A FUTURE MEETING, BUT I CAN BRING THAT UP TO THE APPLICANT'S TEAM AND THEN OKAY.
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LANDSCAPING THAT I REFERRED TO.THERE'S ONE TREE WHERE THE, WHERE THE, UM, THE, THE DRIVEWAY'S GOING, BUT, UH, THEY PUT IN SOME SCREENING TREES ALONG THE SIDE AND AROUND THE BACK TO, TO HELP SCREEN THE SITE.
AND THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TREE ORDINANCE.
FROM A HOUSEKEEPING POINT OF VIEW, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE IN FRONT OF THE ZONING BOARD THIS THURSDAY.
FROM A HOUSEKEEPING POINT OF VIEW, I SPOKE WITH MS. WALKER, SECRETARY OF THE ZONING BOARD.
I BELIEVE SHE INDICATED THAT THEY IN FACT, ARE NOT ON THIS THURSDAY, THAT THEY WON'T BE ON UNTIL THE APRIL MEETING.
WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT IF WE DON'T WANT TO.
WE COULD WAIT UNTIL THE APPLICANT'S HERE.
UM, IT'S REALLY UP TO THE BOARD.
ANY THOUGHTS WHETHER WE SHOULD JUST PUT OFF THE APPLICATION OR SHOULD WE MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION PUT IT OFF? I HEAR, I SEE.
PUT IT OFF BECAUSE WE WE'RE NOT, WE ARE NOT DAMAGING THE SCHEDULE, SO WHY DO IT? OKAY.
YEAH, THEY COULDN'T BE BOTHERED TO SHOW UP.
THEN WE'LL JUST ADJOURN THIS TO THE NEXT, TO THE NEXT MEETING, AARON, AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT, UH, THE NEXT TOPIC.
IT HELPS US LATER IF, IF HE SHOWS UP NOW.
HE KNEW WHAT THE SCHEDULE WAS.
WE'VE GOT A FULL SCHEDULE TONIGHT.
THERE'S ONE, YOU KNOW, HANGING IN THE BALANCE OF OUR TIMING TONIGHT THAT I'M SURE WILL BE HERE.
AND THEY HAVE A RIGHT, RIGHT TO BE HEARD.
THAT'S WHAT, WHAT I'M THINKING.
SO WHY DON'T WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
ACTUALLY, WE'RE READY FOR PUBLIC HEARING NOW.
CYNTHIA, ARE YOU READY? CYNTHIA? LET'S SEE.
SHE LOOKS LIKE SHE'S COMING BACK HERE.
WE'RE WE'RE MOVING A LITTLE FASTER THAN WE THOUGHT WE WOULD.
THAT'S LIKE, BECAUSE OF THAT ONE.
UH, WE'RE ABOUT TO GO IN A PUBLIC HEARING.
CYNTHIA, YOU, YOU ALL SET? I AM ALL SET.
YOU READY, AARON FOR PUBLIC HEARING? YES, SIR.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, UH, WELCOME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR MEETING THIS EVENING.
WE HAVE ONE CASE TO HEAR TONIGHT.
UM, BEFORE WE DO THAT, MR. SCHMIDT, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE ROLE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, THE, THE ONE CASE IS CASE PB 2129, WHICH IS REGENERON, WHICH IS, UH, A PLANNING BOARD WETLAND AND WATERCOURSE PERMIT FOR A TEMPORARY PARKING LOT ON THE REGENERON PROPERTY UNTIL THEY, UH, FINISHED THEIR, UH, PERMANENT PARKING FACILITIES.
UM, MR. SCHMIDT, DO YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO, UH, MS. GARRIS? I'D ONLY ADD THAT THE PLANNING BOARD LAST DISCUSSED THE PROJECT AT ITS JANUARY 19TH MEETING WHERE IT ISSUED A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THE APPLICANT'S AMENDED SITE PLAN APPLICATION.
UM, BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT WE CAN TURN THINGS OVER TO MS. GARRIS AND MR. SINA.
THE ONE THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS I DON'T, I, WE CAN BE BRIEF ON THIS.
THIS IS NOT A COMPLICATED PROJECT, MS. RIS.
SO WE DO HAVE A 10 SCHEDULE, SO IF YOU COULD KEEP IT BRIEF, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
FOR THE RECORD, IT'S JANET GARRIS WITH DELBELLO, JANELLE, WEINGARTEN WISE AND WHITAKER ON BEHALF OF REGENERON JOINING ME, STEVE SPINA.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE ASKED BEFORE YOU IN JANUARY, WE NEED A FAIRLY, UH, COMPREHENSIVE PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD WITH REGARD TO THIS APPLICATION.
AGAIN, IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A WETLAND PERMIT IN CONNECTION WITH, UM, TEMPORARY PARKING FOR CONTRACTORS DURING THE PERIOD OF CONSTRUCTION AT THE REGENERON CAMPUS DURING THEIR EXPANSION PERIOD.
UM, AS MR. SCHMIDT MENTIONED, WE WERE BACK BEFORE YOU, UH, IN JANUARY.
YOU MADE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
AND SINCE THAT TIME, WE'VE BEEN BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD WHERE, WHERE WE HAVE RECEIVED, UH, NOT ONLY, UH, DID THEY DO A NEGATIVE DECLARATION, BUT THEY ALSO, UH, GRANTED SITE PLAN APPROVAL, UH, AND A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT FOR THE PROJECT.
SO, WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
AS YOU KNOW, UH, THE C A C ALSO SENT A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION YOUR WAY.
UM, AND, UH, I DON'T WANNA TAKE UP MUCH OF YOUR TIME.
WE'RE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN.
UH, THE AREA THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, WHICH IS, UH, PURPLE ON THE MAP, IS THE AREA WHERE, UH, THE PROPERTY THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF
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THE APPLICATION.STEVE, IF YOU WANNA JUST FLIP THROUGH THAT FOR US.
AND, UH, THIS, THIS WAS WHAT WAS APPROVED.
THIS IS THE PARCEL D AND PARKING GARAGE, AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE UTILIZING THE TEMPORARY PARKING FOR.
SO CONTRACTORS WHO WILL BE WORKING ON THAT PROJECT WILL BE UTILIZING THE TEMPORARY PARKING THAT WE PROPOSE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN.
SO, STEVE, I DON'T KNOW IF I DON'T WANNA TAKE UP MUCH OF THE BOARD'S TIME.
I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A VERY BUSY AGENDA IF YOU WANNA TAKE 'EM QUICKLY THROUGH WHERE THINGS ARE.
UM, OTHERWISE, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
UH, SO THIS IS JUST A, A VIEW OF THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY ALONG, UH, NINE A AND OLD SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, WHERE THE ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION BY THE, UH, D O T IS ONGOING THERE.
AND, UH, SHOWN IN, IN, UH, TAN COLLAR IS THE PROPOSED PARKING LOT AND DRIVEWAY CONNECTION THAT WOULD LINK TO THE, UH, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED TEMPORARY LOT.
UH, TO THE LEFT HERE, UH, PROPERTY LINE IS IN GREEN.
WE HAVE, UH, WETLANDS IN RED AND WETLAND BUFFER IN BLUE.
AND THIS JUST SHOWS SOME, UH, EXISTING, UH, UH, DISTURBANCE HERE BY THE, UH, CURRENT D O T STAGING AREA, UH, IN THE ORANGE, IN THE PINK.
AND, UH, WE WOULD BE PROPOSING SOME IN THE BLUE, WHICH WOULD JUST BE FOR GRADING ONLY.
THERE'S NO IMPERVIOUS AREA PROPOSED IN THE BUFFER, BUT THERE IS ALREADY SOME GRAVEL AND STAGING AREA WITHIN THE BUFFER THAT WE WOULD BE PULLING BACK.
SO THIS SHOWS THE PROPOSED PARKING LOT IN RED SUPERIMPOSED OVER THE EXISTING, THIS IS JUST A, A, A VIEW OF THE D O T STAGING AREA.
IT'S A GRAVEL AREA THAT'S OUTLINED IN BLUE, AND THEN THEY HAVE A LITTLE, UH, ASPHALT AREA WITH A TRAILER HERE IN, UH, IN RED.
SO WE WOULD BE REMOVING THIS PIECE, UH, FROM THE BUFFER.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S NOTHING PROPOSED IN TERMS OF ANY NEW, UH, IMPERVIOUS WITHIN THE BUFFER OUT HERE.
AND THIS IS THE PARKING LOT BEHIND IT.
UH, JUST ANOTHER VIEW OF, UH, STEEP SLOPES.
SO JUST TO REITERATE, WE'RE NOT, UH, DISTURBING ANY, UH, QUOTE UNQUOTE STEEP SLOPES ON THE PROJECT.
UH, THEY'RE ALL WITHIN THE WETLAND BUFFER, WHICH WE'RE STAYING OUT OF, UH, FARTHER IN THE SITE.
THE SCREEN SHOWS THE DISTURBANCE IN THE WETLAND BUFFER AS A TOTAL.
SO THOSE PREVIOUS COLORS ON THE PRIOR PLAN ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF DISTURBANCE, WHETHER IT'S NEW, EXISTING TO REMAIN, ET CETERA.
THIS IS JUST THE TOTAL, IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE, IT'S JUST GRADING.
THERE'S A STORMWATER POND AND A STORMWATER POND IN THE BUFFER.
THERE'S NO NO PARKING LOT THERE.
UH, THIS JUST SHOWS THE STORMWATER PONDS THAT ARE PROPOSED.
THERE'S THREE OF THEM HERE, HERE, AND HERE TO MITIGATE THE INCREASE IN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
AND, UH, THIS IS JUST A, A, A QUICK SLIDE WITH SOME SIGNAGE THAT WE WOULD BE PROPOSING.
UH, SOME SAFETY SIGNAGE JUST SO, UM, VEHICLES AND, AND TRAVELING ALONG THE ROADWAY HERE WOULD KNOW THERE'S A CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE AHEAD.
AND THEN ALSO YOUR TYPICAL DRIVEWAY SIGNAGE THAT YOU WOULD SEE AHEAD OF A DRIVEWAY.
AND THEN, UH, REGENERON, UH, IS, UM, INVESTIGATING WHETHER OR NOT TO, UH, INSTALL SOME SIGNAGE ON THE EXISTING FENCE ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY.
JUST A LITTLE SIGN THAT SAYS CONTRACTOR PARKING ONLY ON THAT EXISTING FENCE.
SO THIS GREEN AREA BLOWN UP HERE, SO YOU COULD KIND OF ZOOM IN AND SEE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
UM, SO THERE'S AN EXISTING FENCE BACK HERE THAT WE WOULD MAINTAIN AND MAYBE PUT A LITTLE SIGN ON IT SO PEOPLE KNOW IT'S PARKING FOR CONTRACTORS ONLY.
AND YOU KNOW, YOUR TYPICAL DRIVEWAY SIGN WOULD BE SOMEWHERE AHEAD OF THE DRIVEWAY.
AND THESE ARE BEING PROPOSED IN RESPONSE TO COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE BOARD BACK IN JANUARY.
AND HOW LONG IS THIS, UH, TEMPORARY PARKING LOT GONNA EXIST? WE ANTICIPATE A FIVE YEAR PERIOD.
AND AT THE END OF THE FIVE YEARS, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE LOT? IT WOULD BE REMOVED AND THE AREA RESTORED AND REPLANTED RE-VEGETATED.
UM, I THINK, STEVE, I THINK YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
I THINK THAT THERE IS A PLAN THAT IS CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE FOR THE RESTORATION, BUT THE FINAL PLAN NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSIONER OR DEPUTY COMMISSIONER OF A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AT SUCH TIME AS THEY'RE READY TO DO THE, UM, THE RESTORATION.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU GUYS NEED TO TELL US ABOUT THIS PROJECT? I DON'T THINK SO.
ANYBODY FROM THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTION? I HAVE ONE.
WHY IS IT PROPOSED? UH, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE, UH, UH, UH, CHALLENGE OR JUST SAYING THE SIGN WILL BE THERE
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AS THE SAYING IT PROPOSED.IS THERE'S SOME LEGAL ASPECT TO HANGING THAT SIGN? WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING IT TO YOU
IF YOU APPROVE IT, WE WILL INSTALL IT.
ANYBODY ELSE? I CAN'T SEE EVERYBODY AARON.
SO STEVE, VICKY, YOU STOP SHARING THE SCREEN.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? I DO KNOW IF NONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS DO.
WE DO HAVE MR. BODEN FROM THE PUBLIC.
OKAY, MR. BODEN, GOOD EVENING.
SINCE THE LAST TIME, UH, WE'VE, I'VE SPOKEN AT THE, THESE MEETINGS.
UM, GLOBAL WARMING HAS BECOME THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE OF THE DAY.
THE, UH, CONCRETE SIDEWALKS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED SHOULD BE CHANGED TO, UH, COUNTY TRAILWAY LEVEL WITH THE ROADS.
MR. BODEN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PROJECT.
NO, IT DOESN'T MR. THIS TO THIS PROJECT.
ALRIGHT, MR. BOW, SPEAK TO THIS PROJECT.
AND WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY IS YOU SPEAK TO THIS PROJECT.
WE HAVE A VERY BUSY SCHEDULE TONIGHT.
IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC COMMENTS ON THIS PROJECT, WE'RE GLAD TO HEAR THEM.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SIDEWALKS.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TRAILS.
TO ASK, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE TEMPORARY PARKING LOT.
IT HAS TO DO WITH THE DESIGN OF THE PARKING LOT, THE SPACES, THE ACCESSIBILITY FOR HANDICAPPED, THE WAY THEY WALK, THE DESIGN OF THE PARKING LOT IS THE SAME DESIGN THAT THEY USED 50 YEARS AGO.
THIS IS THE START OF NEW THINKING ABOUT DESIGNING ANY PARKING LOT.
YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE A PARKING LOT FOR CONTRACTORS, BUT SOME OF THOSE CONTRACTORS ARE GONNA SHOW UP IN A WHEELCHAIR FOR WHATEVER REASON, AND THEY NEED TO BE ACCOMMODATED TO GET SAFELY TO WHEREVER THEY'RE GOING.
THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.
THIS IS TO START THE PROCESS OF THINKING WHEN YOU DESIGN THIS LOT, MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE FOR THE HANDICAPPED.
I CAN'T COVER EVERYTHING TONIGHT.
THIS IS TO START YOU THINKING THAT THIS WORLD HAS CHANGED SINCE THE LAST TIME WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING AND TONIGHT'S PARKING LOT.
WELL, THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT PARKING LOT SHOULD LOOK LIKE FOR HANDICAPPED PEOPLE AND HOW THEY GET FROM WHEN THEY GET OUT OF THEIR CAR, HOW DO THEY GET TO THEIR JOB SITE.
THIS WILL BE ONGOING AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELPING ME THINK THROUGH.
MY MIND DOESN'T WORK AS WELL AS IT USED TO.
I CAN'T FIND THE WORDS, BUT THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME.
AND I'M SURE THAT, UH, I'LL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION FOR, UH, ANY HANDICAPPED CONSTRUCTION EMPLOYEES.
I'M NOT SURE THEY'D EVEN BE IN THIS SLOT.
THEY MAY BE CLOSER TO THE CONSTRUCTION SITE.
UH, AND MS. GARRIS IS SHAKING HER HEAD YES TO THAT EFFECT.
ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WANNA SPEAK THIS EVENING? WALTER, I SEE YOUR HAND, BUT I WANNA SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SPEAK.
MR. SIMON? I DO, UH, THIS POINT, THE HANDICAPPED PARKING.
I, I DO AGREE WITH MR. BODOM BECAUSE, UH, RECENTLY I, I SAW A INFORMATION ON, UH, AN ARCHITECT WHO WAS ACTUALLY BLIND, BUT CONTINUED TO WORK BECAUSE THE WORKPLACE WAS ACCESSIBLE TO HIM.
NOW, IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE O OBVIOUSLY I DON'T SEE, I DON'T ANTICIPATE, UH, A A HANDICAPPED PERSON DOING CONSTRUCTION, TRADITIONAL CONSTRUCTION WORK.
BUT YOU MIGHT HAVE AN ENGINEER WHO WOULD COME ON SITE TO REVIEW, REVIEW THE, WHO MIGHT BE HANDICAPPED.
SO IT IS NOT FARFETCHED TO HAVE A HANDICAPPED SPACE IN THAT AREA, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A CONSTRUCTION AREA.
MS. GARRIS HAS, IS REGENERON TAKEN THIS INTO CONSIDERATION ALREADY? SO THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, YOU KNOW, THESE PARKING SPACES ARE INTENDED TO BE OVERFLOW PARKING SPACES FOR ACCOMMODATING CONTRACTORS.
IF THERE IS SOMEBODY THAT IS COMING
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TO THE SITE THAT NEEDS AN ACCOMMODATION BECAUSE THEY'RE A HANDICAP, THERE ARE ADEQUATE HANDICAPPED PARKING SPACES ON THE SITE, WHICH WOULD BE IN AND AROUND THE AREA OF THE BUILDINGS, WHICH WOULD BE MORE READILY ACCESSIBLE TO, UH, TO THE CONSTRUCTION SITE.AND I'M CERTAIN THAT REGENERON WILL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS INTENDED TO BE.
IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, TO ACCOMMODATE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS WHO ARE COMING TO THE SITE IN AN OVERFLOW CAPACITY.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I I'M CERTAIN THAT IF THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT NEEDS AN ACCOMMODATION, REGENERON CAN PROVIDE THAT, I'M S SATISFIED WITH THAT RESPONSE.
THANK YOU, MS. GARRIS GARRIS, THAT I APPRECIATE IT.
UM, SINCE THERE NO OTHER COMMENTS, UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN FOR TILL WHEN IT, UH, AARON, WE WOULD SUGGEST, UH, THE 23RD OF MARCH.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO LOSE? SO MOVE SECOND, WALTER.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING THEN? SO MOVED.
OKAY, I'LL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MS. GEARS, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT WILL BE, WE'LL HAVE THE RECOMMENDATION AT THE, AND APPROVE IT AT THE NEXT, AT THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH WILL BE APRIL.
CYNTHIA, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP THIS EVENING.
UM, WE'RE ACTUALLY RUNNING ABOUT 20, 20 MINUTES AHEAD RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS A GOOD THING, UH, TONIGHT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE NEXT ONE IS A COMPLICATED PROJECT, AS WE ALL KNOW.
AND I THANK EVERYBODY FOR TRYING TO BEAR WITH THIS AND, AND GET THEIR ARMS AROUND WHAT, IT WAS A LARGE, COMPLICATED PROJECT.
THESE THINGS ARE COMPLICATED ENOUGH WHEN YOU HAVE ONE PROPOSAL, BUT WE HAD TO DEAL WITH FIVE, OR ACTUALLY EVEN MORE THAN FIVE.
'CAUSE OF THE ONES FROM THE D E I SS THAT MADE THIS EVEN MORE COMPLEX.
UM, I THOUGHT WE MADE SOME VERY GOOD PROGRESS LAST WEEK.
UM, THE REASON, UH, YOU GOT THE DRAFT, UH, OF, OF FINDINGS, UH, THIS WEEK WAS, UH, I JUST, IT WASN'T MEANT TO DICTATE ANY OF THE FINDINGS AT ALL.
IT WAS REALLY TRYING TO CAPTURE WHAT I, WHAT I HEARD AT THE LAST MEETING AND GET YOUR ARMS AROUND IT.
AND IF YOU AGREE WITH IT OR DISAGREE WITH IT, IT'S THERE AND BLACK AND WHITE TO, TO, TO DEAL WITH.
I'VE GOTTEN COMMENTS FROM, UH, SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UH, I'VE ALSO GOTTEN COMMENTS FROM STAFF, UH, THAT HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED INTO A NEW VERSION.
AND WE'LL GO OVER THE CHANGES FROM THE, WHAT YOU SAW WERE NOT VERY GREAT, ALTHOUGH I, THERE WERE SOME ADDITIONS THAT WERE SUGGESTED BY, BY MR. DUANE, WHICH I THINK ACTUALLY STRENGTHEN IT.
SO THIS IS A PROCESS I'D LIKE TO USE.
AND WE'VE GOT REALLY ABOUT, UH, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO IT AN HOUR, BUT I THINK WE COULD ACTUALLY DO PROBABLY AN HOUR AND 15 MINUTES OUT AND STAY ON SCHEDULE.
UM, THE WAY I'D LIKE TO DO IT IS GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENT, THE LATEST VERSION, WHICH YOU GUYS HAVEN'T SEEN 'CAUSE WE WORKED ON IT TODAY.
UM, BUT WE'LL GO THROUGH THE CHANGES FROM THE ONE YOU HAVE, AND I'D LIKE TO GET COMMENTS ON THAT FIRST.
THEN WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, I KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE I KNOW, I THINK CORT YEAH, I KNOW, UM, TOM AT LEAST, AND MAYBE THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ADDITIONAL FINDINGS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO IT.
I THINK MR. SIMON AS WELL HAVE ADDITIONAL FINDINGS.
SO THE, THE OBJECTIVE IS GET ENOUGH DOWN AND FOR, UH, AARON AND MATT TO TAKE COPIOUS NOTES TONIGHT.
UH, MATT'S NOT EVEN ON THE, OH YEAH, THERE HE IS.
TAKE COPIOUS NOTES TONIGHT SO THAT WE CAN FINALIZE THIS DOCUMENT, CIRCULATE IT WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS AND VOTE ON IT ON APRIL 6TH.
WHICH IS WHAT WE PROMISED WE WOULD DELIVER.
AND I THINK WE'RE PRETTY MUCH ON SCHEDULE FOR THAT.
EVEN IF WE DO SOME, SOME SURGERY THIS EVENING, IT STILL GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
AND I WANT EVERYBODY, THERE'S NO PRIDE IN AUTHORSHIP HERE.
THIS IS A TEAM EFFORT AND IT'S GOTTA BE WHAT WE DECIDE AS A TEAM, NOT AS AN INDIVIDUAL.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'D LIKE TO GO.
UH, AARON, I THINK YOU'VE GOT THE VERSION THAT YOU, TOM, MYSELF, AND GARRETT WORKED ON THIS MORNING, DON'T YOU? I DO.
I HAVE IT AVAILABLE TO SHARE IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO DO THAT.
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THING I WOULD ASK IS IF YOU WANT TO RAISE YOUR HAND WHILE WE HAVE IT UP THERE, DO IT IN CHAT SO I CAN SEE IT.'CAUSE I CAN'T, I CAN'T SEE YOUR FACE WHILE IT'S UP THERE.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA MISS ANYBODY.
I, I, I'M VERY SENSITIVE ABOUT, ABOUT THAT.
SO WHY DON'T YOU PUT THAT UP IN THE MEANTIME, AARON, IT'S ONE OF THE FAULTS IN ZOOM.
YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEE IF YOU HAVE A CHART UP.
SO YOU'LL NOTICE THAT IT IS IN TRACK CHANGES.
JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE IT SHOULD.
NO, AARON, THERE'S ANOTHER VERSION THAT'S NOT NO, NO, NO.
AARON, THE NEWEST ONE I SENT YOU IS NOT HAVE TRACK CHANGES.
OH, WAS THAT THIS AFTERNOON? THAT'S THE ONE I SENT ABOUT FIVE 30.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN DIG THAT UP.
JUST BEAR WITH ME MOMENTARILY.
THAT'S WHY I SENT YOU NO, I DON'T WANT YOU TO SENT, I DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE TO DO THAT.
I SENT YOU AN EMAIL AT ABOUT, I THINK IT'S ABOUT FIVE 30 QUARTER SIX
I SHOULD BE ABLE TO PULL THAT UP.
WELL, I SAID I ACCEPT, I ACCEPTED ALL GARRETT'S CHANGES AND TO, TO, TO USE THE ONE THAT WITH THE ACCEPTED CHANGES, FIND IT.
'CAUSE I GIVE IT A AUTHORIZE MY ACCESS TO THE EMAIL WITH MY OTHER PHONE.
I THINK, I THINK WALTER SIMON PAID YOU BECAUSE HE FIGURES THIS IS A WAY OF STRETCHING UP THE MEETING TONIGHT.
NO, I ONLY PROMISED HIM I DIDN'T PAY HIM THAT.
WAL WALTER, I'M GONNA ANNOUNCE YOUR COMEBACK.
THE TOM BRADY O OF PLANNING BOARD CHAIRS.
AND, AND YOU KNOW WHAT MY COMMENT WAS BEFORE THE MEETING
WELL, I KNOW SYLVIA'S TOUGH, TOUGH, TOUGHER THAN, UH, GISELLE, THAT THAT'S ALL
IF SYLVIA OR TOM BRADY BRADY'S WIFE, NO WAY HE'D BE COMING BACK.
HE WOULD'VE RETIRED 10 YEARS AGO.
JUST ONE QUICK, QUICK UPDATE WHILE AARON'S PULLING THAT UP.
UM, AS YOU MAY HAVE SEEN OR MAY NOT, WHICH IS TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE, UM, BECAUSE THE EMAIL ONLY WENT OUT, UH, LATE THIS AFTERNOON, THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UH, SUBMITTED F E I S COMMENTS.
SO, UM, THAT'LL BE SOMETHING FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO REVIEW.
AND, UM, IN ADVANCE OF THE ACTUAL, UH, VOTE ON APRIL 6TH, UH, WE ALSO ANTICIPATE NEW YORK STATE D O T DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION COMMENTS.
UM, AS SOON AS WE GET THOSE, WE'LL SEND THEM TO YOU AND A FEW RESIDENTS HAVE SENT IN, UM, CORRESPONDENCE.
WE'LL MAKE SURE, UH, YOU GET THAT AS WELL.
YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK, DID, DID PEOPLE WATCH, IF PEOPLE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO WATCH THE PUBLIC HEARING FROM LAST WEEK, IT WAS WORTH WATCHING? UM, IT, THE, THE COMMENTS WERE VERY SIMILAR TO COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE AT THE D A S STAGE.
UM, SAME CON, SIMILAR CONCERNS, REAL CONCERNS, UH, PARTICULARLY I THINK ABOUT, UH, THE TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS WON.
I'M NOT SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THE BUFFER, THE FACT THAT IT'S ACTUALLY A GREATER BUFFER WITH THE TOWNHOUSES THAN THERE IS WITH THE HOUSES.
I'M NOT SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THAT.
UH, BUT YEAH, MONA, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND ALSO IS THE ACTUAL APPEARANCE OF WHAT THE TOWNHOUSES WILL BE.
UM, I THINK A LOT OF THE COMMENTS WERE THAT THE TOWNHOUSES WILL BE THE LOOK OF, UM, LARGE SCALE APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND ALMOST A TENEMENT HOUSE LOOK, THAT THEY EQUATE THE TOWNHOUSES WITH AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT AS OPPOSED TO A SUBURBAN ENVIRONMENT WITH LANDSCAPING AND ALL, ALL THAT LOTS OF GREEN SPACE.
AND, AND ACTUALLY, AND I THINK IT WOULD HOO, UM, THE, UM, PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, TO PERHAPS GIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOOK OF WHAT THE TOWNHOUSES MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
RENDERINGS, RENDERINGS, RENDERINGS.
THE, THE ISSUE, THE ISSUE WITH THAT AT THIS POINT MM-HMM.
SO IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO GIVE YOU RENDERINGS OF SOMETHING.
AND THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BUILD IT.
AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE AT THE TIME THAT WE HAVE, I THINK I, I THINK HUGH, THAT'S NOT CORRECT.
I THINK THEY CAN HAVE A, UH, SINCE THIS IS A PRETTY BIG PROJECT, I THINK IT'S FOR WORTHWHILE FOR THEM TO GIVE AT LEAST ONE SINGLE, UH, UNDERSTANDING OF IT.
AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT MORE THAN, UH, MORE THAN JUST THE RENDERING, WHICH IS, WILL BE HELPFUL, BUT HAVE A CREATED A THREE-DIMENSIONAL, UH, KIND OF, UH, MODEL.
YEAH, IT COULD, I'M NOT SURE IT'S, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO, KURT, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING GIVEN THEY'RE NOT THE DEVELOPER, I'M NOT SURE HOW APPLICABLE, UH, MOST
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LIKELY NOT THE DEVELOPER, BUT, BUT, BUT IT IS, UH, THE, THE THING IS THAT THEY WANTED TO GET TO THE DEVELOPER AND TO GET TO, I I I'VE NEVER SEEN SUCH A LARGE PROJECT BEING SO, SO MUCH LACKING IN ACTUAL, THE REASON IS BECAUSE THE, A COMMUNITY, AND I AGREE WITH MONA, PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA, OKAY, WHAT IS THIS THING? IS WHAT THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS LIKE WHAT $150 MILLION PROJECT, A HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS PROJECT, AND THEY CANNOT SPEND $10,000, $50,000, WHICH IS TO ME LOOKS VERY, UM, OKAY.UM, SUPPORTING WHAT ETTE SAID IN THE LAST MEETING, THE APPLICANT DID SHOW SOME RENDERINGS OF OTHER PROJECTS THEY'RE WORKING ON.
IT DOESN'T SEEM UNREASONABLE TO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE IDEA OF AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, THE STYLE OR THE TYPE.
UM, AND OFTEN WHEN WE LOOK AT PROPOSALS WHERE THERE'S A SPEC HOUSE, THEY'LL GIVE AT LEAST ROUGH DIMENSIONS OF WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
YOU KNOW, SOME IDEA OF WHAT'S GONNA BE THERE.
AND THIS IS A BIG PROJECT THAT DOESN'T, DOESN'T SEEM UNREASONABLE TO ME.
I THINK
WE CAN, UH, SEND THAT SECTION TO YOU.
THERE ARE RENDERINGS IN D E S? YES.
WHY WEREN'T THEY INCLUDED IN THE F A S THEN? UH, THE F A I SS, UM, WAS BASED ON QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED.
UM, IT'S SUPPOSED TO INCORPORATE THE D A S, SO, BUT GARRETT, UH, I I WOULD RECOMMEND THEY DO KIND OF, UH, NOW IT IS A TECHNOLOGY IS SO GOOD THAT, UH, THEY CAN HAVE A DRIVE-THROUGH THREE-DIMENSIONAL EXPERIENCE.
THEY HAVE A WHOLE, WHOLE CHANGE OF THE THINGS.
IF THERE IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, HOW KIND OF LOOKS SAY, UH, UH, SORT OF THE EXPERIENCE OF THE PEOPLE DRIVING ONTO IT VERSUS THE, UH, P POD DEVELOPMENTS SORT, UH, THEIR ALTERNATE I AND G N I, I MEAN, IF THEY WANTED TO KIND OF, UH, MOVE THIS PROJECT THROUGH THE COMMUNITY, THEY NEED TO REALLY, UH, OKAY.
THEY, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINKS I, I, I HAVE, I WORKED WITH MANY DEVELOPERS ALL MY 40, 34 YEARS OF CAREER, AND I NEVER SEEN SOMEBODY COMES UP WITH SUCH A, UH, SUCH A, SUCH A SKIMPY, UH, THINGS ON THIS ONE.
SO YES, I THINK THERE IS A, I, I HAVE SEEN THAT RENDERING, BUT THAT DOESN'T JUSTIFY A HUNDRED BILLION PLUS DEVELOPMENT.
BEFORE I, I RECOGNIZE MONA AND THEN TOM, I'M GONNA SAY SOMETHING.
FIRST OF ALL, THESE ARE NOT A TRADITIONAL DEVELOPER.
THEY'RE NOT, THIS ISN'T TOLL BROTHERS.
THEY MAY, THEY MAY FLIP THE BIT, THE, THE, THEY MAY FLIP THE WHOLE PROPERTY TO TOLL BROTHERS, BUT THIS ISN'T TOLL BROTHERS.
HAVING SAID THAT, THERE'S A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO THIS, WHICH IS THAT WE CAN PUT THAT IN THE FINDINGS THAT, THAT PRIOR TO SITE PLAN APPROVAL OR SUBDIVISION, WHICHEVER IT IS, THAT THEY, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PRO TO PROVIDE US SOME KIND OF RENDERINGS.
SO, UH, AARON OR WHOEVER'S TAKING NOTES TONIGHT YEAH, CONSIDER THAT AS AN ADDITIONAL FINDING TO PUT IN, IN, INTO, UH, OUR FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO I THINK THAT THAT SOLVES CRE IT'S A GOOD POINT.
I THINK IT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD CHANGE ANYBODY'S MIND, BUT IT SURE SHOULD BE THERE.
IT, IT'S RIGHT TO BE THERE EVEN THOUGH THEY AREN'T THE DEVELOPER.
I KNOW THAT THE C A C BROUGHT UP, THEY'RE NOT THE DEVELOPER AND THEY THINK THIS WHOLE THING'S PREMATURE.
I DON'T UNDER LAND USE LAW, BUT I THINK PUTTING THAT FINDING IN WOULD HELP.
MONA, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY? GO AHEAD.
IF YOU'RE GONNA SAY SOMETHING, SAY IT NOT ON MUTE.
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THE WORDS IN MY MOUTH FOR ME.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE JOINED AT THE HIP, MONA, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
OKAY, SO I DON'T HAVE TO RAISE MY HAND ANYMORE FOR THE REST OF THE MEETING.
NO, I ACTUALLY ANTICIPATED ALL YOUR QUESTIONS,
SO WHILE, WHILE I AGREE WITH CORT, I THINK THE TIME FOR THAT TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE PUBLIC WOULD'VE BEEN BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THE TOWN BOARD.
I'M NOT SURE EVEN SHOWING, UH, RENDERING THAT THEY HAD THEM NOW WOULD BE ACTIONABLE GIVEN THE TIMELINE.
THEY ARE THE TIME, ACTUALLY THEY ARE, THEY ARE ACTIONABLE.
I DISAGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE THERE'S STILL SITE THIS, ALL THIS, THE ONLY THING TO BE APPROVED NOW IS THE F A S AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA DO THE DOWN ZONING GARRETT AT THE SAME TIME IN THE PUD.
DO THEY DO IT AT THE SAME TIME? SORRY, WHAT IS THE QUESTION? WHAT ACTIONS IS IT TOWN BOARD GONNA TAKE NOW APPROVE THE FI THEY'RE
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GONNA ISSUE FINDINGS IN THE F A I S, RIGHT? YES.COMPLETE THE SECRET PROCESS VIA THE, THE SECRET FINDINGS, RIGHT? ARE THEY GOING, IF THERE IS A REZONING, THEN THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY AFTER SECRET.
IS THAT ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING FOR DOWN ZONING IN PUT, YEAH, THERE WOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE REASON FOR THE ZONING, YES.
SO IT'S NOT PREMATURE BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE OF THAT WE, WE COULD, WE CAN RECOMMEND THAT THEY DO THAT BEFORE ANYTHING BEYOND THE SEEKER APPROVAL.
WE COULD DO, DO THAT AND ASK THEM TO DO THAT.
AND CLEARLY OF YET ANOTHER BITE OF THE APPLE WHEN YOU GET TO SITE PLAN APPROVAL OR SUBDIVISION, WHICHEVER IT ENDS UP BEING.
TYP TYPICALLY THE, UM, RENDERINGS WOULD, WOULD BE A FUNCTION OF SITE PLAN OR, OR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
SO WE WRITE UP A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY SHOULD, THEY SHOULD TRY TO DO THE RENDERINGS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO THE PUBLIC CAN REACT TO IT.
BUT IT DOESN'T DELAY, THE F A S WOULD NOT DELAY THE SECRET PROCESS, TOM, TO DO SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY, MY POINT WAS THE ORIGINAL, UM, COMMENT WAS IF THE PUBLIC COULD SEE WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, IT MIGHT MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
UM, BUT IF THE TOWN BOARD IS GOING TO MAKE A DECISION ON ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES, THEN IT'S TOO LATE AFTER THAT TO SAY, WELL, YOU COULD HAVE HAD THIS.
WELL, AGAIN, THEY HAVE, EVEN AFTER THEY, I DON'T KNOW, ARE THEY ACTUALLY MAKING A DECISION ON THE ALTERNATIVES IN THE F A S GARRETT? NOT REALLY.
RIGHT, BECAUSE THE DOUBT ON THE DECISION ON PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE COULD BE A RESULT OF THE SEEKER FINDINGS OF THE TOWN BOARD.
SO THEY ARE, SO TOM'S RIGHT THERE WEDDED, THEY COULD BE WEDDED IF THEIR FINDINGS ARE THAT OPTION.
I, FOR EXAMPLE, IS THE CORRECT OPTION.
THEY'RE LOCKED INTO THAT OP OPTION IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES.
IS THAT RIGHT? THE TOWN BOARD SECRET FINDINGS ARE IN SUPPORT OF, LET'S JUST SAY OPTION I OR OPTION H.
UM, THAT, THAT, THAT WILL BE THE DIRECTION THAT, THAT THE PROJECT HEADS.
AT THAT TIME, YOU KNOW, YES, THE BOARD WOULD WANNA SEE, UM, ELEVATION RENDERINGS SO THAT WHEN IT GOES TO BUILDING PERMIT, THERE'S SOME CONSIST CONSISTENCY THERE.
AND WHAT I HAD INDICATED IS, AS PART OF THE D E I S, UH, THERE ARE SOME RENDERINGS TO GIVE A FLAVOR OF WHAT THE TOWNHOUSES WOULD LIKE, WOULD LOOK LIKE.
BUT, UH, FOR ANYONE WATCHING WHETHER THIS PROJECT IS ULTIMATELY TO BE SINGLE FAMILY OR, UM, A TOWNHOUSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE AESTHETICS WILL, UH, BE A WINNING PROPOSITION BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE PLANNING BOARD HEAVILY INVOLVED IN BOTH OF THOSE PROCESSES AND, UM, MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PROJECT OF INTEREST, UH, WITH GOOD LANDSCAPING, GOOD AESTHETICS AND AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
TOM, TOM'S ONLY, I THINK TOM'S KEY POINT, AND I THINK IT WAS CHRIS AS WELL, AND MONAS, WAS THAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE TO SEE THE OPTIONS AS, AS A RENDERING BEFORE AN OPTION IS CHOSEN.
BUT WE ARE WHERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT.
SO, UM, I STILL THINK WE OUGHT TO ENCOURAGE THOSE OPTIONS TO BE, UH, WHICHEVER OPTIONS SEEM TO BE THE LEADING OPTIONS AND FOR, FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, IF PEOPLE AGREE WITH WHAT WE'RE LOOK GONNA LOOK AT RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO WHAT'S THE TIMELINE? IS, UH, OPTION I R H GARRETT, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FOR THE TOWN TO ACT? MIDDLE OF APRIL? RIGHT.
I WOULD THINK THEY ANTICIPATED THAT THE, WELL, THE TOWN BOARD KEPT THE WRITTEN RECORD OF THE F E I S, UH, PROCESS OPEN UNTIL APRIL 8TH.
SO 10 DAYS AFTER THAT, NO LESS THAN 10 DAYS AFTER THAT, THE TOWN BOARD WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO ISSUE FINDINGS.
IT WILL LIKELY, UH, YOU KNOW, FINDINGS WILL BE DRAFTED OVER THE COURSE OF THE MONTH OF APRIL AND, UM, SUBMITTED AS A DRAFT, UH, SOMETIME TOWARDS THE END OF APRIL OR SOMETIME IN MAY.
IS MY, UH, ROUGH TIMELINE TO YOU? YEAH.
THAT, THAT WOULD SEEM TO BE BE RIGHT.
SO THERE GONNA BE NO PUBLIC HEARING FOR TOWN BOARD ANYMORE? NO.
THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING, NOT ON THE F A I S.
THERE'LL BE A TOWN STILL HAS TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SITE PLAN.
SITE PLAN OR SUBDIVISION WHEN THAT HAPPENS.
THAT'LL BE, THOSE WILL BE PLANNING BOARD.
THERE WILL BE NO, THE SITE PLAN? NO, NO, THE SITE PLAN, PUBLIC HEARING IS TOWN BOARD.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, THE PLANNING BOARD WILL HAVE JURISDICTION IF IT'S, UH, A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT OVERSIGHT PLAN.
AND THAT'S A FUNCTION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
IF IT'S APPLIED, IT'S NOT A FUNCTION OF THE, IT'S THE ACREAGE THRESHOLD OF FIVE ACRES DOES NOT APPLY TO THE PD AND THE P U D.
SO SIMILAR TO GRAYSTONE AND OTHER PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS, THE JURISDICTION
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IS THE PLANNING BOARD.THE SUBDIVISION, OF COURSE, AS YOU ROUTINELY, UH, NAVIGATE SUBDIVISION PROJECTS IS EXCLUSIVELY THE JURISDICTION OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
SHOULD THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE B ONE THAT IN INCLUDES A REZONING, UM, THEN YES, THE TOWN BOARD WOULD HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT REZONING.
UM, AS, AND, AND THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD THEN ISSUE A REPORT IN ADVANCE OF THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
SO HERE, JUST, JUST LET ME TAKE THIS A STEP FURTHER FOR YOU, FOR GARY, YOU AND DAVE, OKAY? MM-HMM.
SO WE GET THIS COMPLETELY RIGHT 'CAUSE IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED PROCESS, IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT THEY'RE FINDING MIGHT BE NOW, THEY STILL HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE DOWN ZONING, WHICH COULD ESSENTIALLY, IF THEY, LET'S SAY RIGHT NOW, THEY, THEY, THEY DECIDE ON OPTION I, RIGHT? THEY THINK THAT'S THE BEST OPTION.
SOME OTHER STUFF COMES OUT THAT CONVINCES THEM THEY CAN'T DOWN ZONE BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN THEY HAVE THAT PUBLIC OR THAT PUBLIC HEARING, SOME INFORMATION COMES OUT AND THEY DECIDE AGAINST THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEN THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO THEN REGROUP CORRECT.
AND IT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY IN THAT HYPOTHETICAL, 'CAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT INFORMATION AND IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR US TO FORECAST WHAT INFORMATION THAT COULD BE.
SO, UM, YEAH, IT'S DIFFICULT TO ANSWER THAT, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE.
IT IS POSSIBLE THAT IT COULD, I'M NOT SAYING IT WILL, HOPEFULLY IT WON'T.
AND THAT WE, THEY'VE ALREADY, WE'VE LOOKED AT ALL THOSE ASPECTS.
UH, YOU WOULD HOPE THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT ALL THOSE ASPECTS ALREADY AND MADE AND MADE THE DETERMINATION BASED ON THIS EXTENSIVE MULTI-YEAR, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY.
BUT, UM, IF SOMETHING ELSE CAME OUT, THEY, IF SOMETHING ELSE CAME OUT LIKE THAT AT THAT POINT, IT COULD, IT COULD CHANGE IN THE MEANTIME.
I THINK, AS I SAID, WRITING A FINDING THAT SAYS IT REALLY SHOULD, SHOULD, SHOULD SHOW THOSE, YOU KNOW, UH, GENERATE THE, THE, THE RENDERINGS I DON'T THINK IS A, IS A, A, UH, THING THAT CAN HURT AND IT CAN HELP JOHAN.
I THINK THE SOONER LATER THEY'LL DO IT.
SO MAYBE IT'S A BETTER THAN OKAY.
A LITTLE CONFUSED BY WHAT YOU SAID.
THE DOWN ZONING VOTE HAPPENS BEFORE OR AFTER THEY MAKE A DECISION ON, UH, THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE AFTER, AFTER HAS TO, YOU CAN'T MAKE ANY DECISIONS TILL YOU DO SEEKER, SO RIGHT.
DAVE, YOU SAYING YES, RIGHT? YES, THAT'S RIGHT.
I'VE HAD ENOUGH SEEKER TRAINING OVER THE YEARS.
DO, DO WE WANNA TRANSITION INTO THE DRAFT? YES, WE DO.
UM, WHAT CHANGED? THERE'S VERY LITTLE THAT CHANGE IN THE OPENING PARAGRAPH EXCEPT TO JUST CLEAN UP THE LANGUAGE A BIT.
UM, THERE'S AN OVERALL TENET HERE THAT I, I WANTED TO, TO AT LEAST, THIS IS THE WAY I FEEL AND I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYBODY ELSE FEELS.
UM, WHAT THE ISSUE OF THE TAXES, THE SIMPLE TAX, WHICH IS AN ISSUE OBVIOUSLY, UH, FOR SOME PEOPLE IN OPTION I, WE KNOW IT'S AN ISSUE FOR THE C I C I THINK IT'S OUR DUTY TO IDENTIFY IT AS A RISK, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S OUR DUTY TO DECIDE HOW THAT'S USED BY THE TOWN BOARD.
I THINK THAT'S A FISCAL DECISION.
UM, THAT REALLY IS THE TOWN BOARD'S PURVIEW, NOT OURS.
WE SHOULD BE OPINING PRIMARILY, PRIMARILY ACTUALLY ALMOST SOLELY FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE IN MY VIEW.
AND, UH, SO IT'S ALL THE LAND USE ISSUES, AS I SAID, WE CAN IDENTIFY THE ISSUE, WHICH WE DO AS ONE OF THE FINDINGS IN HERE AS IT BEING A RISK AND WHAT THE RISK IS, WHICH IS ABOUT A MILLION MILLION FOUR, BUT IT'S STILL, UM, REVENUE POSITIVE AT THE END OF THE DAY.
UM, BUT IN TERMS OF TRYING TO TELL THE TOWN BOARD RECOMMENDED WHAT THEY SHOULD DO WITH IT, WITH THAT INFORMATION, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT I FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE PERSONALLY IN US TELLING THE, TELLING THEM WHAT THEY SHOULD DO BASED ON THAT INFORMATION EXCEPT TO RAISE A FLAG THAT YOU REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THIS.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING THING I THINK WE SHOULD DO.
I WANNA OPEN THE, UH, THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION ON THAT PARTICULAR POINT.
'CAUSE IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT POINT IN TERMS OF THIS RECOMMENDATION.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THAT? UM, YEAH, I HAVE A COMMENT.
THEN KI IT MONA, JUST THAT THERE'S A TYPO.
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THERE'S A LOT OF TYPOS.SHOULD WE FIX, THIS IS A DRAFT, THE TYPOS
YEAH, LET'S DO THAT AT ANOTHER POINT, UH, OFF CAMERA JUST TO MAXIMIZE THE EFFICIENCY OF THE TIME.
DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT? OH, I TO I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT.
UH, WITH THAT APPROACH WE DO, IT IS NOT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW TO TELL THE TOWN BOARD, UH, WHAT, UH, UH, WHAT THEY SHOULD DO.
WE ARE HERE TO RECOMMEND THAT IF WE SEE AN ISSUE, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO FLAG IT AND NOTHING MORE.
COR, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT AS WELL? YEAH, I THINK I'M LOOKING AT A KIND OF LARGER PROCESS FOR THE, UH, UH, FOR THIS CHOOSING OF THE ALTERNATE.
AND I SAW OUR, UH, SORT OF SISTER BOARD C S C HAS EXCLUSIVELY DWELL ONTO THE, UH, MAKING THEIR POINT THROUGH THE, UH, ECONOMIC ANALYSIS, WHICH IS, WHICH IS KIND OF, UH, OUT OF THEIR, UH, KIND OF EXPERTISE AND TO, TO KIND OF GET THINGS IN A PERSPECTIVE, UH, RATHER THAN TO KIND OF TELL THEM THAT THAT'S NOT THEIR, IN THEIR PURVIEW, WHICH IS, UH, I THINK MOST PEOPLE AGREE.
I THINK WE SHOULD AT LEAST MENTION, ENCOUNTER THAT WHOLE, UH, I THINK IT'S A VERY FLAWED ANALYSIS THAT THEY HAVE COME UP WITH IT.
UH, DOESN'T REALLY, UH, HAVE ANY FINANCIAL GUYS OR ANY C P A HAS, HAS JUST REALLY LOOKED INTO THEIR WHOLE CHARTS AND TABLES AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME THEY HAVE SPENT ON DOING ALL THAT STUFF, BUT I, I THINK, UH, AT LEAST WE SHOULD MENTION SOMETHING SINCE IT'S ON THE TABLE AND I'M SURE IT'S GOING TO BE COME BACK, UH, COME UP INTO THE TOWN BOARD'S HEARING OKAY.
SO I, I THINK WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD TAKE A, SOME STAND ON IT.
THERE'S A FINDING AND WE'LL GET THERE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S OUR JOB TO RESPOND TO THE C A C.
THEY CAN WRITE WHATEVER THEY WANT AND, UM, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.
THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION, AND I THINK WE SHOULD BE WRITING WHAT WE THINK IT SHOULD BE, RATHER THAN COMMENTING ON EVERY, I MEAN, WE, WE COULD BE HERE TILL, TILL, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS FROM NOW, IF WE COMMENT ON
NOT, NOT WORRY ABOUT SOMEBODY ELSE'S.
I, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT CURRID IS SAYING IN TERMS OF THEIR CONCERNS WITH THE FEE.
BUT, AND, AND I WAS CONCERNED AS WELL, BUT I, I CAN'T SPEND MY TIME WORRYING, IS IT GONNA COME BACK ON US? IT WILL OR IT WON'T, AND WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD, PERIOD.
AND WE BELIEVE THAT, UM, I IS THE RIGHT THING BECAUSE IT'S OFFERING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WE WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THAT'S THE END OF THE SUBJECT.
IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT'S GONNA GIVE US AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THAT IS WHAT WE NEED FOR THE TOWN.
ACTUALLY GIVES US MORE THAN THAT.
IT GIVES US A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE WANT.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SURPRISED ME FROM, FROM, UH, THE COMMUNITY WAS TALKING ABOUT THE, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE VISUAL ISSUE, OKAY? RIGHT NOW THEY SEE A GIANT FENCE WITH BARBED WIRE ON TOP OF IT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW ATTRACTIVE THAT IS, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY SEE.
THE, THE POINT IS ACTUALLY, AND, AND I THINK MICHAEL, YOU DID, YOU DID THE BEST OF COACHING THIS EARLY ON, UM, SAY TALKING ABOUT THE BUFFER.
YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT REALLY EARLY ON, AND YOU WERE RIGHT.
THIS ONE ACTUALLY GIVES THE, THE COMMUNITY SURROUNDING COMMUNITY MORE OF A BUFFER THAN THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES DO.
IT, IT REALLY IS ITS OWN LITTLE, IT'S ITS OWN ENCLAVE TO, TO A GREAT EXTENT.
UM, ALTHOUGH WE ARE GONNA RECOMMEND A WALKTHROUGH, THE ABILITY TO WALK THROUGH IT.
BUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, FROM A VISUAL IMPACT POINT OF VIEW, WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN MORE TREES IS LESS DISTURBANCE.
IN FACT, THE ONE THING THAT I POINTED OUT THAT WE POINTED OUT IN THIS, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH IT NOW, THE SINGLE FAMILY UNDERESTIMATES THE DISTURBANCE BECAUSE
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THE SINGLE FAMILY DOESN'T INCLUDE THE, THE AN ASSUMPTION WHICH THEY SHOULD HAVE, THAT CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THOSE HOUSES GONNA END UP WITH POOLS AND PATIOS BECAUSE THERE ARE NO RECREATIONAL FACILITIES ON THE PROPERTY.THAT'S ADDITIONAL DISTURBANCE THAT WASN'T EVEN CONSIDERED, UH, WHEN, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY DID THAT.
NOT TO MENTION THE ADDITIONAL ROADS AND, AND EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO THERE'S MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE TO COME THAT WASN'T EVEN ANTICIPATED IN THE 113 OR 119.
SO IT IS UN THE DIFFERENCE IS ACTUALLY UNDERESTIMATED VERSUS, UH, OVERESTIMATING.
UM, GIVEN THAT, I'M, I'M HEARING THAT, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THERE'S A CONSENSUS THAT OPTION I IS WHAT WE WANNA SAY FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE.
AND DO I HAVE ANY DISAGREEMENT WITH THAT? SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE AS THEY SAY.
I THINK, HUGH, I HAVE SOME FEW POINTS THAT I KIND OF, UH, SHARED WITH YOU WHEN I, WHEN, WHEN WE TALKED ON THE PHONE, BUT, SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT IS, IT IS THE RIGHT TIME TO ADD THAT.
NO, I, I DO WANNA, I, I KNOW WHAT YOU WANT AND I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT.
I WANT TO GET, I WANNA GET THROUGH WHAT WE HAVE FIRST.
I, I REALLY WANT THAT POINT IN THERE.
I THINK IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT POINT.
YEAH, I AGREE WITH, UH, ALTERNATE.
AND I THINK THE PARAGRAPH IS WRITTEN NOW IS A PRETTY ACCURATE, UM, DEPICTION OF THAT, UH, OF THAT, UM, IT, IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE.
YOU KNOW, WHILE OPTION I 159 TOWNHOUSE REQUIRES DOWN ZONING.
SO WE DO, UH, ADMIT, WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
AND THERE ARE FOR AN INCREASE IN DENSITY OF NUMBER OF UNITS, UH, THAT'S NOT THE TOP OF IT.
THE PLANNING BOARD BELIEVES THAT OPTION ONE, THE CLUSTER, THE 1 59 AND CLUSTER DESIGN VIA POD PROVIDES THE GREATEST OVERALL BENEFIT TO THE TOWN OF THE FIVE ALTERNATIVES.
AND THE F A S, AS LONG AS THE PROPERTY CAN BE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENTIATED FROM PROPERTIES OF SIMILAR SIZE THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED AS A POD, THAT'S IMPORTANT.
'CAUSE THERE ARE SEVEN, AT LEAST SEVEN PROPERTIES THAT COULD, COULD BE DOWN ZONED.
AND WE DON'T WANT TO, THIS SHOULDN'T BE SET OF PRECEDENT.
WE BELIEVE THAT THE OPTION, THAT OPTION ONE REPRESENTS THE BEST BALANCE OF MULTIPLE FACTORS, INCLUDING DENSITY, GREEN SPACE, MARKET NEED, LAND DISTURBANCE, COMMUNITY BENEFIT, VISUAL BUFFER, RECREATIONAL SPACE, AND THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITY, WHILE THIS OPTION MODESTLY INCREASE AND IT SHOULD BE INCREASES, AARON, JUST TO GET THAT INCREASES DENSITY BEYOND ZONING LIMITS, WE BELIEVE THAT MANY OTHER BENEFITS SIGNIFICANT, THAT MANY OTHER BENEFITS SIGNIFICANTLY OUTWEIGH THIS CONSIDERATION.
IS THAT A FAIR DEPICTION OF WHERE WE ALL ARE? YEAH.
I DON'T KNOW IF I HAD CHANGED ANYTHING IN THIS OR NOT.
I'M JUST GONNA GET TO, I HAVE SOME, I HAVE SOME NOTES.
GUYS, YOU HAD SO MANY THINGS OPEN THESE DAYS.
NOW THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.
OKAY, NOW LET'S GO TO PARAGRAPH, THE NEXT PARAGRAPH.
UM, IF THE PLANNING BOARD SELECTS A ONE FAMILY SUBDIVISION AS ITS PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE, FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY DECIDE TO DO THAT.
OKAY? IT'S NOT OUR DECISION OF WHAT OR WHY THEY DO IT.
IF, IF, YOU KNOW, PAUL AND FRANCIS GET, YOU KNOW, DECIDE ONE DAY THEY, THEY JUST DON'T LIKE TOWNHOUSES, WHATEVER, WHATEVER REASON THEY DECIDE, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD'S SECOND OVERALL CHOICE WOULD BE THE ONE 13.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS IT STILL CONVEYS SOME PROPERTY TO EAST ROMBERG PARK.
DO WE ALL AGREE WITH THAT? YEAH.
UM, I THINK, UH, UH, I, MY SUGGESTION IS THAT CAN WE, CAN WE DO THE, ALL THE FINDINGS IN, UH, IN THE SEQUENCE THAT, UH, THE FORMAT THAT WE USE, UH, FOR ALL PROJECTS, LIKE SAY, UH, IMPACT ON THE LAND USE ZONING IMPACT WITH THE PRE, WE WENT OVER THIS TODAY.
I THINK IT ACTUALLY ALTERNATE.
NO, THE ANSWER IS NO, WE'RE NOT DOING, WE'RE NOT DOING, UH, WE'RE NOT THE LEAD AGENCY.
THAT'S THE TOWN BOARD AS LEADING.
THANK YOU FOR GETTING THAT OUT THERE.
NO, I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, DAVID, BUT I THINK FOR, UH, BECAUSE WE ARE ALL OVER, WE GO BACK AND FORTH IN TERMS OF NO, WE DON'T.
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WHY DON'T I THINK, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S AGREEMENT OR, YOU KNOW, OR NOT, OR IF THERE'S MODIFICATIONS ON THE DOCUMENT IN ITS TOTALITY.IF AFTER THIS MEETING THERE'S A SUGGESTION TO PERHAPS, UM, PUT CERTAIN THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF MAYBE IF ONE THING'S SORT OF OUT OF PLACE AND SLIDE IT UP, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN BE DONE IN BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING.
AND WE, WE COULD ACTUALLY LOOK JUST, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THAT SO MUCH NOW, RIGHT? JUST WORRY ABOUT THAT.
THE PLANNING BOARD'S IN AGREEMENT WITH THE OVERARCHING TENANTS OF THIS, UM, DRAFT FINDING.
THANK, THANK, THANK YOU GARRETT.
AND, AND I THINK ACTUALLY, YEAH, THAT'S GREAT.
AND WE CAN ALSO POTENTIALLY OFFER AN OPTION WITH THAT.
HAVE HEADINGS IF THEY MAKE SENSE, WE CAN OFFER, OFFER THAT AS AT, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF THERE'S A WAY OF DOING HEADACHES AND THEN DECIDE AT THE NEXT MEETING.
'CAUSE THAT WE NEED TO FINALIZE THIS BY THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, YOU LEFT OFF AT RUMBLE PARK.
SO THEN THE OTHER PART WAS ASKING FOR A PUT OVERLAY TO PRESERVE OPEN SPACE, EVEN IF THEY DO THE ONE 13.
WALTER, YOU HAD A POINT THAT WE NEED TO DO AS A FINDING LATER, WHICH IS, YOU'RE RIGHT.
MAYBE OFFER, I'LL, I'LL BRING OFFER, I'LL BRING UP FOR LATER.
THE REASON FOR THE PART, OBVIOUSLY, AND WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE, WE DID THIS, UM, I FORGET THE NAME OF, NAME OF THE ROAD, WALTER, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT IT OVER THE WEEKEND, UM, OVER BY ARDSLEY GEL GELS.
NOW, IT WASN'T GEL SPRAYED, IT WAS THE ONE OFF OF, OFF OF NINE, EIGHT THAT WE DID THAT WENT TWO PARTS WHERE WE ACTUALLY DID CLUSTER THE HOUSES TO, TO KEEP DOWN THE DISTURBANCE AND STEEP SLOPES AT THE TIME.
BUT, BUT, AND SO I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
I, I, I THINK THAT WAS A CD OVERLAY.
UM, BUT AS PROPOSED IN H UH, THERE'S NOT A CLUSTERING OF HOMES PROPOSED.
SO I, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF THIS SENTENCE.
THE, THE POINT, THE POINT IS FOR THE MAX YOU TO RE-LOOK AT H EVEN IF IT'S APPROVED AND LOOK AT POTENTIALLY CLUSTERING THE HOMES.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE INTENTION IS, GARRETT.
SO, UM, WAS THE OF CONSERVATION, MAYBE IT MIGHT BE CONSERVATION DISTRICT OVERLAY IS, IS WHAT YOU MEAN? INSTEAD OF THE FLOOD PREPS.
THEN, THEN SAY ADOPTED AS A CD OVERLAY INSTEAD OF PUD.
I JUST, I JUST THOUGHT THAT OPTION WORKED VERY WELL WHEN WE'VE USED IT IN THE PAST.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO HERE IS TRY TO SERVE AS MUCH GREEN SPACE AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
THEY MAY NOT WANT TO DO IT AT 1.2 MILLION.
UM, AGAIN, ALL THE, THE NEXT THING EXPLAINS SOMETHING.
IT'S KINDA LIKE, UH, THE N R A THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, UH, GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE.
THE FACT IS, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE IMPACT, THE, THE PUBLIC WAS FOCUSING ON THE WRONG THING, THEY'RE FOCUSING ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS.
THE NUMBER OF UNITS IS NOT PARTICULARLY RELEVANT.
WHAT, WHAT'S RELEVANT IS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE.
'CAUSE IT'S PEOPLE WHO GENERATE TRAFFIC, GENERATE GARBAGE, GENERATE USE OF ELECTRICITY, GENERATE SEWAGE.
OKAY? IT'S NOT THE, THE UNIT, IT'S PEOPLE.
AND THE DIFFERENCE IN PEOPLE IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THEN THE DIFFERENCE IN UNITS.
IN FACT, IF YOU DID 119 HOUSES, I THINK THE DIFFERENCE IS 13.
I THINK, GARY, IT'S VERY SMALL THEN.
IF YOU DO 113 HOUSES, IT'S 33.
IT HAS, IT'S NOT THE IMPACT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.
'CAUSE IT REALLY ISN'T A 50% INCREASE.
IT'S, IT'S REALLY BA BY POPULATION.
UM, EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT ONE? WE GOOD? YES.
UM, LEMME JUST CHECK MY NOTES AGAIN HERE FOR A SECOND.
WHY CAN'T I FIND IT? DID I, DID I JUST CLOSE IT? NO, I DIDN'T.
GOD, I GOT TOO MANY THINGS OPEN AT THE SAME TIME.
THE, THE NEXT ONE IS ABOUT THE TAXES.
AND ALL WE'RE DOING HERE IS EXPLAIN, QUANTIFYING, QUANTIFYING WHAT THE RISK IS SAYING.
THE RISK IS ROUGHLY $1.4 MILLION.
AND THE WAY I, THE WAY WE GOT THERE IS YOU TAKE THE GROSS REVENUE TIMES 60%.
OKAY? WHICH WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE, IT WOULD BE IF IT'S A CONDO, GIVE OR TAKE A LITTLE BIT.
AND SO THE DIFFERENCE BECOMES OUT 1.4 MILLION, BUT IT'S STILL TAX POSITIVE AS IT ALL, ALL OF THEM ARE.
IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT A WASH VERSUS WHERE ELMWOOD IS CURRENTLY AS A COUNTRY CLUB.
ALL RIGHT? THAT'S WHERE IT COMES OUT AS TO HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS.
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AND I DO HAVE A CHANGE HERE, UM, WHERE IT SAYS, WE'LL LIKELY FACTOR.I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD SAY.
I THINK WE SHOULD RECOMMEND, LEMME GET THE LANGUAGE AGAIN, I HAVE LANGUAGE FOR THIS WHERE INSTEAD OF WE LET, WE LIKELY RECOMMEND, UH, WE SHOULD, I THINK HERE WE SHOULD TELL THE TOWN BOARD THAT THEY SHOULD CONSIDER, UH, YEAH.
JUST CONSIDER THE RISK RATHER THAN, UH, WHAT WE'LL LIKELY TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION.
IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO PREDICT WHAT THE TOWN BOARD WOULD, I CAN PREDICT THE WEATHER MORE THAN THAT.
SO THE WORD IS CONSIDERED WITH AN I THERE, AARON
CONSIDER ANY ASSOCIATED RISK ASSOCIATED WITH THE TAXATIONS OR IN NECESSITY.
THE POINT HERE, AND, AND THIS MAY BE, UM, COR RIGHT AFTER THIS, WELL, WE'LL PUT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT GOES HERE OR, OR, OR AS PART OF THIS DISCUSSION OR YOU WANNA DO IT SEPARATELY.
UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PRICES.
THE PROJECTED PRICE POINT IS SEVEN 40 IS VERY, IF THEY REALLY STAY THERE, IS VERY ATTRACTIVE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY SENIORS.
I PERSONALLY WENT ON ZILLOW THE OTHER DAY.
I COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING IN THAT PRICE RANGE WITH THESE KINDS OF AMENITIES OF THIS SIZE.
ANYWHERE IN SOUTHERN WESTCHESTER, EVEN YONKERS.
THE HOUSING PRICE POINT FOR A HOUSE OF THAT SIZE IS ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD.
EVEN IF IT IS 1.2 MILLION, BUT THEY STILL NEED TO ANSWER.
DOES IT? PEOPLE WANNA HOUSE THAT SIZE AT THAT PRICE IN SUCH A LARGE DEVELOPMENT AND THAT MARKET, IN THAT MARKET AREA.
I MEAN, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS IN WESTCHESTER VIEW LANE IS WESTCHESTER VIEW LANE WAS A FAIRLY SMALL ENCLAVE.
AND WE, IT WAS BUILT IN TWO STAGES, AS YOU RECALL, RIGHT? IT WAS 12 AND 12, I THINK, GARRETT, RIGHT? I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
WE BUILT 12 AND I CAME BACK FOR ANOTHER 12.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED THERE.
UM, 'CAUSE I, I REMEMBER APPROVING THE SECOND ONES.
I DON'T REMEMBER IF I WAS INVOLVED APPROVING THE FIRST, THE FIRST SET OF HOUSES UP THERE, BUT THAT WAS A SMALL ENCLAVE.
AND THE QUESTION IS, ARE THEY REALLY MARKET OR 5,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSES MARKETABLE? NOW? COR YOU HAD A POINT TO ME THE OTHER DAY, WHICH I THOUGHT MAYBE WOULD GO AS A SECOND PARAGRAPH UNDER THIS, THIS POINT TO REINFORCE THE ISSUE OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, OR WE COULD DO IT AS A SEPARATE FINE.
DO YOU WANNA EXPLAIN WHAT, WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU WERE TELLING ME THE OTHER DAY, PLEASE? WELL, YEAH, I THINK, UH, UH, THE BASIC PREMISE IS THAT, UH, THE ANALYSIS SHOWS, WHICH IS VERY, UH, AND THEN, UH, C S C PICKS UP ONTO IT, UH, COMPARING, UH, SORT OF SINGLE FAMILY VERSUS TOWNHOUSES, BUD AS LIKE A, UH, SAME APPLE TO APPLE, WHICH IS TOTALLY WRONG.
IT'S TO APPLE TO ORANGE, AND FOR FOLLOWING REASON, UH, THE SINGLE FAM THE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY, UH, ZONING AS SUCH IS BEING KIND OF, UH, UH, TOTALLY OR SOMEWHAT BEING DECREASED OVER THE WHOLE, UH, U S A AND JUST VERY RECENTLY, NEW YORK STATE GOVERNOR, UH, CAME UP WITH THE IDEA THAT THEY DON'T WANT IT TO HA THEY WANTED TO HAVE A IN TO INCREASE THE, UH, THE HOUSING SHORTAGE AND THE PARTICULARLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING THERE.
SHE HAS A, UH, PROPOSED A A D U, RIGHT? ADDITIONAL D VALUE UNIT ALLOWED IN EVERY SINGLE FAMILY ZONING, WHICH WAS KIND OF A BIG UPROAR.
SO THE QUESTION IS, UH, IT IS NOT IF, BUT WHEN THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO IT.
ONE IS THAT, UH, TRYING TO PUSH FOR ONE FAMILY IS LIKE DRIVING WITHOUT LOOKING INTO REAR VIEW MIRROR.
AND ALSO THE, THE DENSITY PART, OR THE NUMBER THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE POPULATION, IT WILL BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IF ANY OF THIS, UH, ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNIT, UH, BEING INCORPORATED
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INTO BY THE STATE.IT'LL BE NOT 119 HOUSES, BUT IT WILL BE MORE THAN 200 PLUS AND RESPECTIVE POPULATION IN THAT DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UH, THE WHOLE IDEA ABOUT COMPARING SINGLE FAMILY VERSUS THE, UH, BUT IS, IS, IS, IS INCORRECT ALSO.
THE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF, UH, LAND AND, UH, IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT IS SUBSTANTIALLY HIGH WITH A SINGLE FAMILY, AS YOU MENTIONED.
UH, IT IS A, UH, UM, IT'S AMOUNT OF THE ROADS THAT WILL BRING IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
UH, AND, AND ALSO, AND, CORRECT.
ALSO, I WANTED TO FOCUS ON THE TRENDS, BUT ALSO, UH, BUT ALSO EACH HOUSE HAS A KIND OF A, UH, IN A, IN A, IN A ZONING THAT WE ALLOW, WHAT, 2.6, UH, OF, UH, IMPERVIOUS SURFACES PER, PER LOT SIZE.
SO IT INCREASES AND THEN THE, AND SO IT, IT HAS A LOT MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, WHICH IS A ENVIRONMENTALLY UNSUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT SINGLE FAMILY.
THIS IS WHAT I'D SUGGEST HERE.
COULD YOU JUST WRITE UP THE PARAGRAPH AND, AND SEND IT TO GARRETT, MYSELF, TOM, AND AARON, AND WE'LL SEE HOW WE INCORPORATE IT IF PEOPLE, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A GOOD POINT.
DO OTHER, EVERYBODY ELSE THINK IT'S A GOOD POINT? YES.
I WANNA MOVE ON 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME.
WALTER, YOU HAD A COMMENT THOUGH, I THINK.
AND, AND THE, THE OTHER THING STATISTICS SHOWS THAT FOR ONE PARENT HOUSEHOLD, THERE'S AN INCREASE IN TENDENCY TO LIVE IN A TOWNHOUSE VERSUS A ONE FAMILY HOUSE.
ACTUALLY, IT'S TRUE OF, IT'S ALSO TRUE OF MILLENNIALS.
THEY DON'T LIKE TO MOW THEIR LAWN.
UM, WHERE WE PUT IT, AARON, CAN YOU CAP CAPTURE, CREATE, IF YOU COULD WRITE SOMETHING UP, IT'D BE GREAT.
AND THEN WE'LL TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO INCORPORATE THAT.
I THINK I'LL WORK WITH AARON IN THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
WE KNOW IT'S CONTINUED DURES RUB BOOKLETS.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S EVEN A REASON TO DISCUSS THAT ONE.
THE NEXT ONE WE'VE DISCUSSED AD NAUSEUM.
THE MOST GREEN SPACE AND BUFFER IS OPTION ONE.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY PROBLEM THERE.
UM, UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY PROBLEMS, LET'S MOVE ON.
UM, LESS IMPERVIOUS SURFACES, UH, COULD DO THE CLUSTERING AGAIN.
IT JUST, WHAT, WHAT KURT JUST SAID, IT'S THERE.
THE NEXT ONE IS POINT CHAIR SCHWARTZ.
I JUST SAW THAT, UH, MR. SIMON STATED HE HAD A COMMENT.
DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE? WANNA MAKE SURE WALTER OR THE ONE YOU ALREADY NO, NO, NO, NO.
I MEANT, I STATED THAT'S OKAY.
BUT GOOD CATCH IT BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE EVERYBODY ALL THE TIME RIGHT NOW, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, THE NEXT ONE IS OBVIOUSLY IN THE SINGLE FAMILY, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO REC FACILITIES ON SITE.
SO THAT'S GONNA LEAD TO PRIVATE SWIMMING POOLS.
THAT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS, I THINK.
UM, AND THE FINAL ONE, WHICH IS I THINK EVERYBODY IS NEAR AND DEAR TO EVERYBODY'S HEART IS AFFORDABLE UNITS.
WERE SHORT THOUSANDS OF AFFORDABLE UNITS AT ALL LEVELS, BY THE WAY, NOT JUST AT THE OFFICIAL AFFORDABLE LEVEL.
UM, AND THAT THE TOWN SHOULD BE CONSIDERING, AND THIS IS YOUR POINT, WALTER, IT'S BEEN INCORPORATED, ACTUALLY SHOULD INVESTIGATE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING COM COMPONENT IF THE DECISION IS THE ONE 13.
ARE WE'RE GOOD SO FAR? UH, HOW WOULD THEY DO IT THOUGH? EXCUSE ME.
BUT HOW WOULD THEY DO IT IN OPTION EDGE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING? I WAS NOT CLEAR.
WELL, THERE ARE TWO WAYS THEY COULD DO IT.
THEY COULD, IT COULD BE REOPENED, I GUESS.
AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER F A S OR WHAT THIS DO AGAIN, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, FOR INSTANCE, IF THE TOWN SAID YOU CAN HAVE 120 HOUSES AS LONG AS THE NEXT SEVEN ARE AFFORDABLE, I WOULD HAVE TO BE SUBJECT TO A, UM, UPDATE OF THE CCRA TO LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS OF THE ADDITIONAL 13 UNITS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO IT COULD REALLY SLOW DOWN THE PROJECT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I, I, IF, UH, THERE'S AN INCREASE IN DENSITY OVER, UH, ANY OF THE EXISTING ALTERNATIVES.
WELL, THEY HAVE A ONE 19, THEY HAVE A ONE 19 ALTERNATIVE.
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WHAT IF WE HAD THEM DO THE ONE 19 ALTER? I'M JUST ASKING.I I KNOW IT'S NOT AN OPTION HERE.
BUT WHAT IF THEY DID THE ONE 19 ALTERNATIVE? OKAY.
BUT DID IT AND STILL GAVE THE 8.6 ACRES.
SO THEY STILL HAD A LITTLE BIT OF DOWN ZONING TO MAKE UP FOR THE, THAT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSES.
WHY COULDN'T THEY DO THAT? WOULDN'T AFFECT TRAFFIC AT, AT ALL? UM, POTENTIALLY THAT'S LESS COMPLEX BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE THE TRAFFIC MULTIPLIERS AND PROJECTED WATER USE AND, AND, AND ALL OF THE OTHER, UM, IMPACTS.
UH, SO THAT WOULD BE LESS, LESS COMPLEX.
BUT, UM, YEAH, YOUR FIRST QUESTION SEEMS RATHER OBVIOUS.
IF THERE'S, UH, AN INCREASE OVER AND ABOVE THAT, THEN YES, I BELIEVE SEEKER WOULD HAVE TO BE REOPENED.
SO, SO I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK I'D STILL LEAVE IT IN AND YES, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU NEED TO, WHAT I WOULD DO, GARRETT, YOUR JOB IS TO ADVISE THE TOWN BOARD WHAT THE IMPACT OF THAT IS.
AND TELL 'EM, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DO THIS, BUT I MEAN, TELL THEM THAT THE FACT IS, WE ALL KNOW WE'D LIKE TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN ANY OF THESE LARGE, LARGE DEVELOPMENTS AT THIS POINT.
I, I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY, UH, TOWN WIDE, THERE WILL BE MAJOR CONSIDERATION FOR INCORPORATING AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING SET ASIDE INTO ONE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
HOW ABOUT IF THE DECISIONS SHOULD INVESTIGATE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING? POSS ALL IT SAYS IS POSSIBILITY.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S STRONG ENOUGH THAT WE CAN'T LEAVE IT.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO INCORPORATE FOR SENIORS THAT WISH TO REMAIN IN GREENBURG FOR US TO ASK IF THEY DO OPTION I FOR THEM TO HAVE, UM, UM, MASTER BEDROOMS ON THE MAIN LEVEL FOR SOME OF THESE TOWN HOMES SO THAT SENIORS COULD STAY IN THE TOWN HOMES.
UM, I THINK THAT COULD BE A FINDING.
HOW'S EVERYBODY ELSE? I THINK MY, MY TAKE ON ALL THE DETAILS, MONA, IS THAT THESE GUYS ARE NOT GOING TO BE ULTIMATE, UH, DEVELOPERS, BUT IT STILL COULD BE A FINDING.
THERE'S NO REASON IT CAN'T BE A FINDING.
'CAUSE THEN THESE TOWN HOMES WOULD BE, UM, LIVABLE FOR SENIORS, OTHERWISE THEY'RE NOT.
I'M A SENIOR AND MY HOUSE IS FOUR STORIES HIGH.
SO, BUT YOU CAN'T, THERE, YOU CAN'T REMAIN THERE FOR THE REST OF IT.
CAN'T BE ABOUT, THAT'S WHY I LEFT WINE NEW BRIDGE.
BUT IF YOU HAVE A MASTER BEDROOM ON THE MAIN LEVEL, YOU CAN, MY RECOMMENDATION, I THINK IT'S A HELPFUL, UH, INSIGHTFUL COMMENT WOULD BE, UM, TO RECOMMEND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT, UH, WHEN OFFERING DESIGN OF UNITS OFFER A MODEL THAT HAS A GROUND FLOOR, UM, UNIT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ACCESSIBLE TO A SENIOR.
AND I, I KNOW THEY DO NOT, YOU KNOW, NO ONE WOULD WANT TO BO BOX OUT A PORTION OF THE MARKET.
SO IT WOULD BE WHO EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, TO MAXIMIZE YOUR MARKET.
SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD CONSIDERATION, AN OPTION.
UH, AARON, I THINK ERIC, UH, I MEAN AARON, CAN YOU CAPTURE THAT? I HAVE A QUESTION, WHICH IS MORE OF A POLICY.
DO THEY HAVE ANY, UH, IF THEY CANNOT PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS COMPLEX, DO THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF, UH, UH, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO FOR THE TREE PLANTING? UH, I MEAN TREES REMOVAL THAT YOU HAVE A, YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO IT WITH A, WITH A
THEY DO THAT TAR, THEY DO THAT PLACE.
WE DON'T AND DO THAT IN TAR TALE AT THIS POINT.
I THINK WHITE PLAINS ALSO HAS YEAH, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO DRAFT A LOT, LOT.
SO WE KNOW NOW THAT WE NOW KNOW THAT COR IS GOING TO BE ON THAT COMMITTEE.
THANK YOU COR FOR THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTEERING.
IT IS BEING DONE AT OTHER PLACES.
I KNOW IN BALTIMORE THEY HAVE DONE IT, SO NO, IT'S DUN.
AND TARRYTOWN, AN EXAMPLE WAS GRAY GRAYSTONE, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY COULDN'T HAVE PUT AFFORDABLE HOUSES NEXT TO THE, YOU KNOW, THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT HOUSES.
WHAT THEY DO IS THEY, THEY DO MONEY AND THEY DO DO IT IN WHITE PLAINS TOO, DAVID, YOU'RE RIGHT.
THEY GIVE MONEY TO THE TOWN IN LIEU OF THAT.
AND THE MONEY'S USED TO BUY, BUY HELP, BUY AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WE NEED TO RENT A LAW ON AFFORDABLE.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR LAW ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I, I, I THINK THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT OUTSIDE OF THE, THE F A S.
IS YOUR HAND UP OR NOT? I CAN'T TELL MONA.
THE, THE ALTERNATIVE THAT YOU MENTIONED WITH 119 UNITS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE ONE WITH ALMOST ZERO GREEN SPACE, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T RECOMMEND IT.
WELL I THOUGHT WE WERE LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES.
IF I ISN'T SELECTED AND THEY'RE GOING TO USE, UH, THE SINGLE FAMILY UNITS AND ASK THEM.
WE SAID THE OPTION IS ONE 13 FOR THAT REASON.
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OVERLAY, I THINK IT IS THE CD OVERLAY TO, YEAH.I THINK IT IS A QUITE CONFUSING, WE KIND OF WENT BACK AND FORTH PLAYING A TENNIS WITH HER.
I THINK WE SHOULD FOCUS ON OPTION AND, AND PROVIDE THAT RATHER THAN WE DO.
BUT WE'LL LOOK AT IT ONE MORE TIME.
'CAUSE WE'RE, I DON'T WANNA RUN OUT OUTTA TIME.
STAY WITH THE PROGRAM, GARRETT.
UM, THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S, WE ALREADY SAID THIS.
THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S, I'M NOT SURE WE NEED THIS.
DIDN'T WE ALREADY SAY THIS SOMEWHERE ELSE? I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN RECRAFT BASED ON REORDERING.
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THAT ONE'S REDUNDANT.
UM, THE NEXT ONE, TE SAYS WHY WE REJECT THE 175 UNITS.
THE NEXT ONE IS A VERY IMPORTANT ONE, WHICH IS ABOUT THE PRES, ABOUT THE, UH, PRECEDENT WE SET.
AND, AND I GAVE A COUPLE REASONS WHY THIS IS UNIQUE IN THERE.
WE HAVE A COUPLE REASONS, TWO THINGS THAT MAKE THIS UNIQUE.
IT IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM, UH, WHAT ARE NOT TRADITIONAL, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
THERE'S A, UH, AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, A DRIVING RANGE, AND A NURSERY ACROSS THE STREET.
IT ISN'T LIKE THERE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ACROSS THE STREET.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY IS THE, IT, IT'S THE FACT THAT THAT, UH, IT, IT'S CONTIGUOUS EAST RUMBO PARK, WHICH IS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE AN, I DON'T THINK IN ANY OF THE OTHER SEVEN AREAS THAT WE KNOW ABOUT THAT COULD DO THIS.
TO ME, THAT'S THE BIG, THAT'S THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
OKAY? BUT THEY NEED TO BE CONVINCED, AND THERE'S AN EXTRA BULLET POINT IN THERE TOO, OUR NEXT SEAT.
UM, THEY NEED TO BE CONVINCED, UH, UH, OF THAT TOO.
THEY NEED TO FIND THAT, THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE THAT FINDING.
BECAUSE WHAT YOU DON'T WANNA DO IS IF, UM, THE SCARSDALE COUNTRY CLUB OR SUNNINGDALE OR ELMWOOD, THEY AUTOMATICALLY GET DOWN ZONE.
WELL, ELMWOOD ISN'T OUR PROBLEM.
MOST OF THAT'S IN ELMSFORD, BUT, UM, NORWOOD METROPOLIS.
NORWOOD NORWOOD OR METROPOLIS IS, OR TWO OTHER ONES.
I MEAN, NO, IT ACTUALLY ISN'T OUR PROBLEM THAT THAT'S IN MOST OF IT'S IN ELMSFORD, BUT METROPOLIS IS, IS OUR, WOULD BE OUR ISSUE.
THEY COULD, THEY COULD, THEY'RE STILL SAYING PART OF SAN ANDREW'S, THAT'S A GOLF COURSE AND NOT AT, NOT CONDOS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE BUILT ON.
I'M CONCERNED BECAUSE OF THE SIMPLE TAX, UM, FORMULA.
THE, UM, THE SELLING PRICE OF THESE HOUSES ACTUALLY LIMITS THEIR ABILITY TO BUILD WHAT WE WOULD PROBABLY LIKE THEM TO BUILD.
BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ABOUT $265,000 OF REVENUE SALES REVENUE COMING IN FROM THESE HOUSES.
THE DIFFERENCE, I THINK WALTER AND I CALCULATED ONE DAY, IT WAS OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND WALTER, I THINK, YEAH.
WHEN WE CAL CALCULATED THE DIFFERENCE.
AND SO THE HOUSES SHOULD, COULD BE THREE 50 IF IT WERE CONDO TAXED CONDOS UNDER THE, THE WEST CHESTER COUNTY FORMULA.
UM, WE NEED TO ASSURE, UM, THAT IT ISN'T JUST THE SIZE, IT'S DIFFERENT, BUT THE QUALITY OF CONSTRUCTION IS THE SAME.
AND THAT'S NEEDS TO THOSE SPECIFIC BUILDING INSPECTIONS, UH, SPECIFICATIONS NEED TO BE APPROVED BY THE TOWN BOARD PRIOR TO SITE PLAN APPROVAL OR BY US TOWN BOARD SLASH PLANNING BOARD.
YEAH, THAT WAS MY, I WAS GONNA SUGGEST, UH, CERTAINLY PLANNING BOARD.
SO MAKE, I THINK YOU SHOULD CHANGE IT TO YEAH, JUST PLANNING.
DAVE, IS THAT YOUR ONLY COMMENT THERE, DAVE? THAT WAS MY, THAT'S WHY I RAISED MY HAND.
EVERYBODY AGREE WITH THAT? THAT WE HAVE A CONCERN? YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT PAPER THIN WALL.
IT'S PAPER, THIN WALLS, PAPER WALL, THIN FLOORS, YOU KNOW, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
IT'S NOT JUST THAT IT'S A SLAB.
OKAY? THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THAT POINTS OUT.
THE NEXT ONE IS, WE NE IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE DOING THIS, WE'RE ASSUMING THAT THE TOWN ISN'T GONNA GET SOME BRILLIANT IDEA TO BUILD A NEW TOWN HALL OR JAIL OR, OR COURTHOUSE ON THAT PROPERTY.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S A DEEDED RESTRICTION IN THERE.
IT, IT SHOULD ALSO BE DEDICATED AS PARKLAND.
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PARKLAND, YEAH.COULD YOU ADD THAT LANGUAGE, AARON? IT, IT'S IN THERE.
IT SAYS IT BECOMES PARKLAND, ANY OF THESE OPTIONS AND NEVER DOES THAT EXCEPT FOR RECREATIONAL USE.
IT SAYS THAT THE DEEDED SHOULD, SHOULD INCLUDE SUCH A, SUCH A RESTRICTION.
YOU WANT THE LANGUAGE TO SAY, UH, IT BECOMES DEDICATED AS PARKLAND.
SO THE, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE DONATION IS, IS IT'S CONTINGENT DONATION.
SOME THE WAY, IT'S ALMOST THE SAME LANGUAGE THAT WAS USED WITH THE PARKING AUTHORITY WHEN THAT LAND WAS DONATED, I THINK WAS SIMILAR TO THAT.
UM, GARRETT, DID YOU FIND ANY RENEWABLE ENERGY OPTIONS IN THE D I S I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY.
I DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO, UH, REVISIT THAT.
WE KNOW, AND I WISH MURRAY BODEN WAS STILL ON THE LINE TO HEAR THIS.
MURRAY GLOBAL, WARM WARMING'S COMING.
WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING ABOUT GREEN ENERGY, RIGHT? WHAT BETTER PLACE TO TRY TO ATTACK THE ISSUE OF GREEN ENERGY THAN A LARGE PROJECT LIKE THIS AND TRY TO MAKE IT SELF-SUSTAINING, AT LEAST PARTIALLY SELF-SUSTAINING FROM AN ENERGY POINT OF VIEW.
I'D LIKE TO, TO DO THAT AS A FINDING HERE.
AND GARRETT, TO BE HONEST, I'D LIKE TO SEE US LOOK AT, AT LEGISLATION THAT REQUIRES IT IN ALL, ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION.
AND GREENBERG, I AT LEAST CONSIDER THAT OPTION BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO MOVE TO THAT.
UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY, AGREE, DISAGREE WITH THAT 0.1 ISSUE? I THINK I AGREE.
MICHAEL, WHAT WERE YOU GONNA SAY? YEAH, UM, LOOK, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED CHARGING STATIONS IN A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK IF YOU NEED ANYTHING, YOU NEED CHARGING OUTLETS IN THE GARAGES OF THE HOUSES OR THE, UH, CONDOMINIUMS. THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS.
IF YOU COULD CHANGE THAT LANGUAGE, AARON, THAT'D BE GREAT.
WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF IT? MICHAEL? MICHAEL? I THINK MICHAEL, THERE ARE, THERE ARE, IF, IF THE OPTION I OR G, THEY'RE GONNA KEEP THE COMMUNITY FACILITY, WHICH WILL HAVE THEIR PARKING AREAS, WHICH IS SORT OF MORE A COMMUNAL.
SO, UH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE A, SOME OPTION OF CHARGING STATIONS IN THAT, UH, THAT KIND OF A GROUP PARKING AREA.
BUT ALL THE HOUSE, BUT ALL THE UNITS HE'S RIGHT.
YOU CAN'T JUST PLUG A TESLA IN INTO YOUR HOME HOME OUTLET.
YOU NEED TO GET THE BA THE TESLA BATTERY PACK INSTALLED ON YOUR WALL BEFORE YOU CAN DO THAT.
WAIT, IT SHOULD BE, IT SHOULD BE CAPABLE.
I KNOW YOU NEED A TWO 20 OUTLET IN YOUR GARAGE.
I THINK IF YOU SAY CHARGING CAPABILITIES FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES, YOU
YOU NEED A TWO 20 OUTLET IN YOUR GARAGE.
AND WHAT DO YOU DO GET ON A BICYCLE WHEN, WHEN THERE'S ENOUGH ELECTRICITY TO, UH, CHARGE THAT, THAT TESLA OF YOURS, YOU GET ON A BICYCLE AND GENERATE ELECTRICITY.
UM, MEANTIME, I'M NOT PAYING WHAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR GASOLINE
BUT YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH THAT.
UM, OKAY, THE NEXT ONE I WAS JUST THINKING, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THEY GENERATING A LOT OF GARBAGE.
IS THIS GARBAGE CAN BE PRIVATE? KAREN GARRETT? THAT'S WHAT IT SAID IN THE F B I S.
WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THEY'RE SORTING IT, WHICH JUST SAYS, AND I THINK HAVING A COMPOST STATION'S A A REALLY GOOD IDEA THERE IN A COMMUNITY LIKE THIS.
UM, THE NEXT ONE IS MEANT TO SAY YOU CAN'T VARY FROM THE PLAN OR THE DOWN ZONING TO BE WITHDRAWN.
WE DON'T WANT THEM ALL OF A SUDDEN TO COME UP WITH SOME OTHER WEIRD PLAN WHERE THEY'RE LIKE FOUR FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND, AND STILL WANT THE DOWN ZONING.
OR WE NEEDED TO FILL IN, YOU KNOW, THE MICHAEL GOLDEN PARK IN THE MIDDLE THERE, YOU KNOW, WITH, UH, WE NEEDED TO REPAVE IT 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES.
UM, THAT'S THE REASON THAT'S IN THERE.
SO IF NEED BE, WE COULD, WE COULD FINESSE THAT LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT AND JUST YEAH.
BUT YOU UNDERSTAND THE LANGUAGE THAT I DO.
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THE ZONING NEEDS TO BE CONTINGENT UPON THE APPROVED PLAN.UM, GARY, YOU ADDED A FEW AT THE END.
DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THEM? UH, IF YOU HAVE TIME, DO YOU MIND? YES, SURE.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THIS, UH, BULLET IS THE FIRST ONE.
SO WHAT I'LL DO, LET ME ADVANCE THIS TO THE NEXT PAGE AND, UH, I'LL START THERE.
THESE G YEAH, SO I YOU DISAGREE WITH ALL OF THEM GUYS? IT'S OKAY.
I, I'M, I'M JUST GONNA ASK QUICKLY, UH, I'M NOTICING THAT THERE'S SOME CHATS THAT ARE GOING TO EVERYONE AMONGST PEOPLE.
AND I, I JUST ASK YOU NOT TO DO THAT.
IF YOU WANNA PUT IN COMMENTS TO THE PLANNING BOARD, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DO SO.
YOU CAN SUBMIT THEM INTO ME AND I WILL CIRCULATE THOSE, BUT WE'D PREFER NOT TO HAVE THE CHAT GOING.
SO I CAN RECITE THESE AND THEN IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT THEM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU NEED, UH, FURTHER EXPLANATION, I'M, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.
AND ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE, THE GRAPHICS AVAILABLE OF THIS, THE CONCEPT SITE PLANS, WHICH COULD, UH, ALSO FURTHER HELP US UNDERSTAND, UM, THE INTENT WITH SOME OF THESE, UH, POTENTIAL MITIGATIONS.
SO, UH, THE FIRST, THE E I S IDENTIFIES THAT IT IS ADVISABLE TO HAVE THE OFF AND ON RAMPS OF THE SPRAIN BROOK PARKWAY REALIGNED AND UPDATED WITH A TRAFFIC SIGNAL ON DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, EASTERN, SORRY, WESTERNMOST, UH, RAMPS.
UH, SO REGARDLESS OF THE ALTERNATIVE SELECTED AS SUCH, THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT BE REQUIRED TO MAKE A FAIR SHARE CONTRIBUTION TO THIS FUTURE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? THE, UH, GARRETT, DO YOU HAVE THE MAP OR WHAT YOU SORT OF THE DIFFICULTY? YES.
UH, AARON OR MATT, DO YOU HAVE, UM, THAT GRAPHIC HANDY? I DO.
JUST BEAR WITH ME MOMENTARILY.
UH, AND AARON, WHEN YOU'RE READY WITH IT, I WILL, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL JUMP BACK TO YOU.
LEMME JUST MOVE THESE, OH, THE GRAPHIC WITH THE RAMPS.
I ONLY HAVE THE ALTERNATIVES, BUT, UM, THAT'S OKAY.
AARON, I THINK IF YOU CAN JUST GLOSS YOUR CURSOR.
SO IF YOU RECALL, THE APPLICANT PREPARED AN EXHIBIT THAT TAKES THAT, UM, ON RAMP TO THE SOUTH OF, OF DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
UM, SO THAT'S THE OFF RAMP, THE ON RAMP.
AND WOULD ELIMINATE THAT AND HAVE IT LINE UP WITH ITS GEOMETRY OPPOSITE WHERE AARON IS SHOWING THE OFF RAMP.
UM, SO WHAT THE SECRET STUDY SAY IS THAT, UM, THAT WOULD BE ADVISABLE, UM, EVEN IN EXISTING SCENARIO, UH, EXISTING CONDITIONS.
BUT FOR EACH OF THE ALTERNATIVES, UH, REGARDLESS OF THE IMPACT OF TRAFFIC, IT WOULD BE IDEAL TO HAVE THOSE RAMPS LINED UP AND THEN A TRAFFIC LIGHT PUT IN THERE.
SO, UM, WHAT I'VE JUST RECITED, UH, WITH REGARD TO THAT, THAT LAST BULLET WOULD BE AN A, THIS APPLICANT MAKING A FAIR SHARE CONTRIBUTION IS THE TERMINOLOGY, BUT IT'LL BE DONE BY THE NEW YORK STATE D O D, RIGHT? YES.
SO THEY WILL PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE FOR TRAFFIC LIGHT AND REALIGNMENT YES.
PROPORTIONAL TO, UH, THE IMPACT OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
'CAUSE I'D LIKE TO FINISH UP FAIRLY OKAY SOON.
REGARDLESS OF THE ALTERNATIVE SELECTED, THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPLICANT BE REQUIRED TO INSTALL SIDEWALKS OF A LENGTH EQUAL TO THE SITE'S LINEAR FRONTAGE ON PUBLIC ROADWAYS, WHICH EQUATES TO APPROXIMATELY 3,400 FEET LINEAR FEET IN LOCATIONS IN THE VICINITY OF THE PROJECT DEEMED MOST BENEFICIAL FROM A PEDESTRIAN SAFETY PERSPECTIVE.
SO, JU JUST TO, UM, PARAPHRASE HERE, UM, IF YOU HAVE THAT 34 LINEAR FEET OF FRONTAGE, IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO PUT THAT ALL ON THE APPLICANT'S FRONTAGE ON THEIR SIDE OF DOBBS FERRY ROAD AND WORTHINGTON ROAD.
BUT UPON CLOSE INSPECTION, IF IT WERE DEEMED, UM, FOR INSTANCE, UH, MORE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE, UH, THAT LINEAR FRONTAGE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF WORTHINGTON ROAD, AND I'M NOT SAYING IT IS OR IT ISN'T, WE, I DON'T THINK WE'VE LOOKED AT THE NETWORK THAT CLOSELY TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AT PRESENT.
UM, THE POINT IS THAT WE WANNA ESSENTIALLY, UH, HAVE THE SIDEWALK NETWORK BUILT OUT IN THE MOST EFFICIENT MANNER.
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THAT WOULD BE CONTINUED TO BE EVALUATED IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS PROJECT, IN THE CONTEXT OF MAKING SITE VISITS, WORKING WITH D O T, SO ON AND SO FORTH.IF DEVELOPED AS A ONE FAMILY SUBDIVISION OVER HILL ROAD BE IDENTIFIED AS EMERGENCY VEHICLE ONLY WITH PUBLIC PEDESTRIAN ACCESS PROVIDED, JUST TO RECALL, OVER HILL ROAD IS A CUL-DE-SAC THAT ABUTS THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE GOLF COURSE AND THE SUBJECT SITE.
I CAN PULL THAT UP IF, IF ANYONE
YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
AND, AND JUST TO, UM, AS YOU I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND, UM, JUST FOR FURTHER CONTEXT, THE D E I S, UH, SHOWED AND SO WE WANNA GO TO, LET'S SAY H I THINK WOULD BE THE BEST.
SO THERE'S STILL A CONNECTION SHOWN THERE, BUT, UM, WHAT I JUST READ, UH, WOULD BE A, A FINDING THAT'S INDICATES THAT YES, THERE WOULD BE A GATE THERE, UH, THERE WOULD BE, UH, EMERGENCY ACCESS, UH, CONNECTION ONLY, AND, UM, THERE WOULD BE A FINDING THAT THERE WOULD BE A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION SO THAT, UM, RESIDENTS FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT, UH, AND RESIDENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTH WOULD HAVE, UH, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION.
UM, SO IF YOU THINK OF THE PERSPECTIVE OF RESIDENTS FROM ALL THESE HOMES TO THESE NORTHERN, UH, THESE RESIDENTIAL STREETS TO THE NORTH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE THOUGHT IS LET'S, LET'S MAXIMIZE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS SO THAT ONE DOESN'T HAVE TO WALK ALL THE WAY OUT TO WORTHINGTON ROAD DOWN, UH, WORTHINGTON ROAD TOWARDS DOBBS FERRY ROAD AND THEN ALL THE WAY TO THE PARK, BUT INSTEAD BE ABLE TO WALK ALONG, UH, THIS ROAD NETWORK HERE, UM, TO HAVING A MORE, MORE EFFICIENT ROUTE AND, UM, SAFER ROUTE AT THAT.
AND WHAT I WAS ALSO GOING TO LASTLY MENTION IS, UM, IF YOU RECALL WITH THE D E I S LAYOUT THAT WAS SHOWN, UH, FROM A ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE PERSPECTIVE AS AN ACTUAL, UH, FULL ACCESS, UH, VEHICULAR, UH, MOVEMENT.
SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT EVOLVED OVER THE COURSE OF THE D E I S TO THE F E I S.
AND I THINK FROM A CONNECTIVITY PERSPECTIVE, UM, A BETTER SCENARIO, BETTER, BETTER LAYOUT THE SCENARIO FOR ALL THINGS CONSIDERING.
GARY, GARY, GO ABOUT 10 MORE MINUTES, SO IF YOU COULD, UH, FINISH UP IT PLEASE.
YES, I DON'T THINK THERE'S TOO MUCH MORE.
IF DEVELOPED AS A ONE FAMILY SUBDIVISION IN CONNECTION WITH THE SUBSEQUENT PLANNING BOARD SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, THE APPLICANT REVISIT THE PRESENT CONCEPTUAL CUL-DE-SAC DESIGN PROVIDING ACCESS TO THE FOUR HOMES EAST OF THE PROPOSED CON EDISON TRANSMISSION LINES FOR CONSIDERATION OF A DESIGN THAT PROVIDES A CONSOLIDATED SLASH SHARED NEW ACCESS FOR THE FOUR HOMES AND NEW PARK ENTRANCE.
SO THIS IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE, WE WANNA SHOW YOU THE GRAPHIC.
AARON, IF YOU COULD PLEASE BRING UP, UH, H ONE MORE TIME.
WILL DO NOT THAT END OF IT THOUGH.
SO YES, WHAT, WHAT'S SHOWN HERE IN THIS CONCEPT, UH, DESIGN FOR H WOULD ACTUALLY KEEP THE EXISTING PARK ACCESS IN ITS PRESENT CONFIGURATION, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, AS WE KNOW EXISTING CLOSE TO THE, UH, SPRAIN, UH, OFF RAMP THERE.
AND, UM, AND THEN IT, WHAT'S PROPOSED IS WHAT YOU SEE HERE, CUL-DE-SAC TO FOUR NEW HOMES.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT.
WHAT THE CONDITION I JUST READ IS THAT, UM, WHEN THIS, IF, IF GOING THE ROUTE OF SUBDIVISION, IF THAT'S WHAT THE LEAD AGENCY, THE TOWN BOARD SO CHOOSES WHEN THE SUBDIVISION RETURNS TO THE PLANNING BOARD WITH THAT BULLET I JUST READ, WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY A DIRECTIVE TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE A HARD LOOK AT, UM, UPDATING THIS TO PERHAPS, AND AARON, IF YOU PUT YOUR CURSOR WHERE THERE'S THE ELBOW IN THE, UH, ROAD THERE, PERHAPS RUN A, A, UM, CONNECTING DRIVEWAY UP INTO A NEWLY RECONFIGURED PARK, WHICH WOULD ALLOW EITHER A FULL ABANDONMENT OF THE EXISTING PARK ENTRANCE OR, UM, AGAIN, SOME SORT OF EMERGENCY ONLY ACCESS, UH, WITH AN EYE TOWARDS MINIMIZING TRAFFIC CONFLICTS CLOSE TO THE SPRAIN.
SO, UM, IS THAT OPTION H OR IS THAT, UH, THIS IS H YES, BEFORE YOU.
AND THEN I THINK THERE'S, UH, ONE MORE THAT I WAS GOING TO RECITE.
SO, SO OF COURSE AS WE'VE NOTED, THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, WOULD HAVE JURISDICTION LAND USE BOARD APPROVAL OVER ANY SUBSEQUENT SITE PLAN OR ANY SUBSEQUENT SUBDIVISION.
UM, DITTO THAT FOR ANY OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL LAND USE BOARD APPROVALS, THEY'RE
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ALL THE PLANNING BOARDS SUCH AS STEEP SLOPE, WETLAND WATER COURSE AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.SO WE THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, TO MAKE A, UM, FINDINGS IN THAT REGARD.
SO WHAT WE, WHAT WE'VE INDICATED HERE IS THAT WITH REGARD TO THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITS, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD FINDS THE FOLLOWING, THE PROPOSED DESIGN AND RELATED MITIGATIONS FOR THE WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT ASSOCIATED WITH EITHER THE TOWNHOUSE LAYOUT, WHICH IS ALTERNATIVE I OR ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE PROPOSAL ALTERNATIVE H ARE SIMILAR AND APPROPRIATE.
SO THAT'S REALLY, UM, FACT-BASED FINDING.
AND, UM, YEAH, THE MITIGATIONS REALLY ARE NOT THAT DIFFERENT FOR THAT POND IN THE FRONT THERE, THE ROAD'S IN A SIMILAR CONFIGURATION FOR BOTH OF THE STYLE DEVELOPMENTS, ALTHOUGH, ALTHOUGH THERE'S A LOT MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAN THE ONE FAMILY, RIGHT? OR IS THERE? THERE IS, YEAH.
WE, IF YOU, UM, SO WE, WE CAN QUANTIFY THAT FOR THE BOARD IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
UM, WE PROBABLY SHOULD JUST, IF THERE'S MORE IMPERVIOUS OBVIOUSLY THAT THERE'S GONNA BE, HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE ROBUST, UM, MITIGATION, THAT'S ALL.
AND THEN, UM, WE MAKE THE STATEMENT, UH, AS POTENTIALLY ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, THE LAND, THE LAND-BASED SITE DISTURBANCE WITH RESPECT TO SEAT SLOPES, TREE REMOVALS, GRADING AND CUT AND FILL, ET CETERA, HAS CONSIDERABLY MORE IMPACTS IN CONNECTION WITH THE ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE LAYOUT AS COMPARED TO THE TOWNHOUSE STYLE DEVELOPMENTS AS A RESULT OF THE CLUSTER DESIGN AND OPEN SPACE PRESERVATION AFFORDED BY THE, UH, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO FACTUAL STATEMENT THERE, UH, THE PROPOSED DESIGNS AND MITIGATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH EITHER THE TOWNHOUSE LAYOUT ALTERNATIVE I, OR ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE PROPOSAL ALTERNATIVE H AS IDENTIFIED IN THE D E I S AND F E I S ARE APPROPRIATE AND CONSISTENT WITH APPLICABLE TOWN CODE AND ZONING ORDINANCE SECTIONS.
SO YES, IT MAKES THE FACTUAL STATEMENT THAT, UM, UH, LESS IMPACTFUL WITH ALTERNATIVE I, BUT IT THEN GOES ON TO INDICATE THAT, UM, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S ALTERNATIVE H OR ALTERNATIVE I, AND WE CAN BUILD IN A LITTLE MORE HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN WILL HAVE TO BE ROBUST AND, AND CONSISTENT WITH, WITH, UH, THE AMOUNT OF TREE REMOVALS PER OUR TREE ORDINANCE.
UM, AND, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, FOR BOTH DEVELOPMENTS, UM, REGARDLESS OF THE, UH, LEVEL OF IMPACT, UH, THE, THE, THE, THERE ARE MI APPROPRIATE MITIGATIONS AND, UM, DESIGN THAT, THAT ARE APPLICABLE AND WILL ALLOW THE SITE TO FUNCTION, UM, IN A WAY THAT WILL ALLOW YOU TO APPROVE THOSE, THOSE, THOSE PERMITS IN EITHER SCENARIO.
UH, GARRETT, CAN YOU QUANTIFY THAT, UH, STATEMENT? IT'S QUANTIFIED THE F A S YEAH.
WE, WE COULD, UM, PULL IN STATISTICS IF YOU, IF THE BOARD LIKES.
YEAH, I THINK IT, IT'S GOOD BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S QUITE WORDY RATHER THAN, UH, YEAH.
IT NEEDS TO BE, IT NEEDS TO BE TIGHTENED UP A LITTLE BIT, GARRETT, THAT'S ALL.
SO, UM, WE DID FOUR O'CLOCK AFTERNOON.
AND I THINK ONE MORE THING, ONE OR TWO WHEN YOU ARE COMPARING THIS IS THAT, UH, THERE IS A, THERE IS A DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE TWO.
ALTERNATE SINGLE FAMILY IS BUILT OVER, LIKE MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT EVER GETS BUILT, IT'S 10 YEAR TIMEFRAME AND MEANWHILE WHAT HAPPENS TO THE REST OF THE LAND VERSUS SPEED P WHICH HAS A VERY, UH, CLEAR, UH, UH, KIND OF PLAN OR THE ROADMAP IN TERMS OF THE
ALTHOUGH I, I, I'D CORRECT, I WOULD HAVE TO, UM, RECHECK THE D E I S I DON'T RECALL, UH, UH, AN ESTIMATION OF CONSTRUCTION DURATION THAT THAT WAS, THAT WAS NEARLY THAT LONG FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY.
IT'S NOT, THEY CLAIM THEY CLAIM THEY'RE GONNA BILL 'EM ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID.
THAT'S THE, THEY, THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID IN PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
WHY WOULD THEY, THERE'S NO REASON TO TRUTHFULLY, ARE THEY GONNA TO SELL A INDIVIDUAL LOTS.
SO INDIVIDUALLY BUILDS ON DIFFERENTLY OR, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, UH, COMPARING PART VERSUS SINGLE FAMILY AS IF A, YOU ARE COMPARING APPLE TO APPLE.
IT'S, IT'S TOTALLY, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE THE, THE GALE SPRAYING SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION.
WE CAN LOOK AT THE DURATION THERE, BUT I THINK THAT WAS BUILT IN A RATHER COMPRESSED TIMEFRAME AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS 25 25 HOUSES, NOT 119.
IT'S A MUCH, MUCH, MUCH SMALLER, YEAH, SMALLER.
AND AS I SAID, WESTCHESTER VIEW LANE WAS BUILT IN TWO SECTIONS OKAY.
SO IT, IT'S A GOOD, I THINK CHRIS IS A GOOD POINT.
I MAYBE, YEAH, LET'S LOOK AT IT AS, AS MAYBE A SEPARATE FINDING, GARRETT.
I'M I'M NOT SAYING WE HOW WE DO IT.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? 'CAUSE WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO TONIGHT.
ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTS TO BRING UP TOM?
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YEAH, VERY BRIEFLY, AND I MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, UM, I FELT THAT THE 55 PLUS, UH, PROPOSAL, THE ORIGINAL ALTERNATIVE A, UH, WOULD HAVE FILLED, UH, A MARKET GAP IN THE HOUSING STOCK IN GREENBURG.AND IF IT'S NOT CHOSEN, I THINK, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT WE BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE STRONGLY CONSIDERED IN FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS.
I KNOW THERE WERE MANY REASONS, MAYBE IT'S NOT IN FAVOR IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT IS A VERY, UM, GROWING SEGMENT OF HOUSING THAT WE DON'T HAVE HERE.
AND I, I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS WHO ARE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I DON'T HAVE THE WORDING, BUT I'D LIKE TO PUT IT IN
I'D LIKE TO INCLUDE THAT AS A POTENTIAL FINDING IF, IF EVERYBODY AGREES TO THAT.
I THINK IT MICHAEL SPLIT ALSO.
COULD IT BE SPLIT? YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A 50 NO, YOU, YOU DON'T NEED TO SPLIT IT.
THE POINT IS, CAN YOU ENCOURAGE YEAH, NO, I, I AGREE.
MICHAEL, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT TO ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT OF 55 YEAR AND OVER, UH, IN GREENBERG? YEAH.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I THINK OF IT.
I MEAN, CLEARLY IF YOU'RE 50, YOU KNOW, EIGHT YEARS OLD, YOU CAN MOVE INTO OPTION.
I, THERE'S NO RESTRICTION ON AGE.
UM, THE, THE ADVANTAGE TO ME OF THE 55 YEAR AND OLDER IS, UH, IT ELIMINATES CHILD AGE KIDS.
SO IF YOU HAVE A SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT'S UNDER PRESSURE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A 55 YEAR AND OLDER DEVELOPMENT MAKES SENSE.
BUT 55 YEAR AND OLDER, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF IT.
NO, ACTUALLY I WOULD OPPOSE THAT.
I THINK IT'S MUCH HEALTHIER FOR OLDER PEOPLE TO BE AROUND YOUNGER PEOPLE AND KIDS.
AND, UH, I, I DON'T REALLY SEE THE RATIONALE FOR IT.
I WOULDN'T WANNA LIVE IN JUST A PURE OVER 55, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DO.
THERE'S, IT'S ACTUALLY, I THINK, I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY SPLIT.
SOME PEOPLE PREFER THAT OVER 55 LIVING AND YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE AREN'T KIDS RUNNING ON THE GOLF COURSE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND I, BECAUSE HEY, THEY WANNA SLOW DOWN.
I'D MUCH RATHER BE AROUND KIDS, BUT THAT'S ME.
IT WOULDN'T BE MY PREFERENCE EITHER, BUT IT IS SOMETHING I READ ABOUT IN A LOT OF PLACES.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE EXPLORED.
I THINK WE CAN WRITE IT TO BE EXPLORED.
WELL LOOK, I THINK IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GREENBERG, UM, THE ONLY REASON TO HAVE A 55 YEAR AND OLDER DEVELOPMENT IN GREENBERG IS IF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GREENBERG AND IN 55 YEARS AND OLDER WANNA STAY IN GREENBERG.
I MEAN, SO IT WOULD SEEM TO ME WE SHOULD INVESTIGATE WHETHER OLDER PEOPLE IN GREENBURG WANNA MOVE INTO THAT KIND OF A DEVELOPMENT.
BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THEY COULD, I'M SURE THERE ARE PLENTY OF 55 YEAR AND OLDER DEVELOPMENTS IN WESTCHESTER AND NEARBY PEOPLE COULD MOVE
THERE REALLY AREN'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
IT'S CLEARLY NOT AT THAT PRICE POINT.
WELL, DID I SAY SO? I THINK IT NEEDS EXPLORATION.
NO, I THINK WE CAN PUT IT IT DOWN.
I THINK MICHAEL, I THINK WE CAN PUT IT THE WAY YOU JUST SAID AS EXPLORATION.
WALTER, WERE WE, YOU GONNA SAY JUST ONE MINUTE? UH, UH, UH, ONE COMMENT, BUT I KNOW YOU PRESSED THE TIME.
UH, THE ISSUE IS NOT SO MUCH 55.
THE ISSUE IS, UH, IS DEFINE A FOR PEOPLE WHO WANNA DOWNSIZE AND LIVE IN THE TOWN, WHERE CAN THEY GO? I, THAT'S THE ISSUE BECAUSE I RAN INTO THAT MYSELF.
WHEN I DOWNSIZED WARNER STATE AND GREENBURG, I HAD A VERY LIMITED CHOICE.
I, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH WALTER'S LAST COMMENT.
EVERYTHING ELSE O 55 AND OVER, JUST REEKS OF SOME TYPE OF EXCLUSIVITY AND POTENTIALLY EXCLUSION.
NOW ANYBODY THAT'S 55 AND ABOVE COULD FIND A HOUSE IF THEY WERE INTERESTED IN A SMALL HOUSE RENOVATING SUITS.
BUT THIS TOWN HAS A NEED MORE.
SO FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THAT WOULD BRING A DIFFERENT TYPE OF, WELL, NOT NECESSARILY EVEN BRING A DIFFERENT TYPE, BUT ACCOMMODATE PEOPLE THAT ALREADY LIVE HERE THAT CAN'T NECESSARILY AFFORD TO BECOME HOME OWNERS.
SO IT, IT EXPANDS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO BECOME HOME HOMEOWNERS AND ACTUALLY BUILD WEALTH PROBABLY FOR THE FIRST TIME IN GENERATIONS AS OPPOSED TO SOMEBODY THAT'S ALREADY A HOMEOWNER LOOKING TO DOWNSIZE.
SO THE OPTIONS, THERE ARE TWO, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT, TWO DIFFERENT, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT MARKETS THOUGH.
JOHAN, I TWO DIFFERENT MARKET.
THE ONLY REASON WHY I'M DISAGREEING IS BECAUSE SOMEBODY THAT'S 55 AND OLDER THAT
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ALREADY HAS A HOME, THEY HAVE OPTIONS WITHIN A, A, A, A, A MYRIAD OF, OF, NOT IN GREENBURG.I, I LIVE IN A 1400 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE.
IT'S A, IT'S A CAPE THAT WAS CONVERTED TO, TO TWO LEVELS, RIGHT? SO FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S OLDER, THEY COULD EASILY BUY A HOUSE LIKE THIS.
THE POINT I'M MAKING IS THEY HAVE OPTIONS.
WHEREAS SOMEBODY, THEY DON'T, THAT DOESN'T, THEY THEY HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE OPTIONS.
THEY HAVE THE OPTION OF PURCHASING A HOME AND DOING WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH IT, ESPECIALLY IF THEY ALREADY HAVE A HOME.
SO FOR THOSE, CAN WE MOVE ON? I THINK THAT'S OKAY.
I'M NOT GONNA, I'M, WE CAN NOT SPEND THE REST OF THE NIGHT ON THIS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA MOVE ON AND DISCUSS IS AT THE NEXT MEETING WHEN WE FINALIZE IT.
I JUST WANNA GIVE TWO SECONDS SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO EVERYTHING ELSE TONIGHT.
I'M NOT SURE WE'RE GONNA GET THROUGH THE WHOLE AGENDA TONIGHT.
WE'RE GONNA DO OUR BEST TO DO IT.
IT'S IT, BUT WE'RE GONNA END AT 10.
'CAUSE THIS IS A LOT OF WORK EVERYBODY'S PUT IN TONIGHT AND I APPRECIATE IT.
GARRETT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UH, GET DOING WHAT YOU DID, DID WITH, WITH, UH, THE MEMO THAT WE SENT OUT.
IT, YOU IMPROVED IT DRAMATICALLY.
TOM, THANK YOU ALSO FOR ALL YOUR HELP ON, ON THIS TOO.
IT, IT'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK AND, AND THANK YOU BOARD FOR, FOR BEING SO RESPONSIVE.
UM, THE NEXT STEPS IS AARON, GARRETT AND I AND TOM CAN JUST KIND OF REGROUP IN WHAT WE HEARD TONIGHT.
COR FEED TO, TO AARON, WHAT YOU THINK YOU WANT AND, AND YOUR POINT AND, AND, AND WE'LL TRY TO WORK ON THAT.
I WANNA PULL IT TOGETHER WITHIN THE NEXT WE HAVE GOOD NEWS IS WE'VE GOT A LITTLE OVER TWO WEEK.
WE'VE GOT THREE WEEKS BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT TILL APRIL 6TH.
SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO KNOW LATER THAN A WEEK FROM FRIDAY, HOPEFULLY BEFORE THAT, GET A A WHAT WAS CLOSE TO A FINAL DRAFT OF THIS OUT TO EVERYBODY TO REVIEW SOONER THAN, THAN THAT IF POSSIBLE, SO THAT WE CAN REVIEW IT AND GET IT AS CLOSE TO POSSIBLE.
'CAUSE WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON APRIL 6TH.
WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT DATE.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A CHOICE.
AND ALSO THE COMMENT PERIOD ENDS ON THE, ON THE 11TH.
SO WE HAVE TO GET IT IN BY APRIL 6TH.
AND WHY DON'T WE, UH, MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CASE.
AND, AND, AND JOHANN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TIME AT SOME POINT, MAYBE AT THE NEXT MEETING TO DISCUSS IN MORE DETAIL.
I DON'T AGREE WITH YOUR POINT.
I'LL EXPLAIN WHY AT SOME POINT.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, BUT YOU'RE NOT 65 5 SO I'LL, I'LL TRY TO EXPLAIN MY PERSPECTIVE.
WE, WE'LL PUT A BOOKMARK IN THAT CONVERSATION AND COME BACK TO IT.
I, IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT, WE'RE OUTTA TIME, WE'RE OUTSIDE.
IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT CONVERSATION FOR US TO HAVE.
SO, AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING EITHER, GARRETT, LET'S END UP THE FINDING POINTS OR, OKAY.
WE'RE GOING A NEW BUSINESS NOW.
UM, WE'VE GOT AN HOUR LEFT IN ALL FAIRNESS TO THE THREE APPLICANTS TONIGHT, A NEW BUSINESS.
I'M GONNA LIMIT EACH, EACH OF YOU TO 20 MINUTES TONIGHT OKAY.
SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST GET SOMETHING, SOMETHING DONE FROM EACH ONE OF THEM.
UH, SO WE'RE GONNA GO FOUR MINUTES OVER, WALTER, SORRY, IT WAS ALL YOUR INTERRUPTING THAT DID THAT, UH, THE FIRST CASE, NEXT CASE WE'RE GONNA HEAR SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB, WHICH IS, UH, TB 2117, UH, PLANNING BOARD 2135 SCARSDALE GOLF COURT.
IT'S A AMENDED SITE PLAN AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
IT'S A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD AS A REFERRAL FROM THE TOWN BOARD ON THE SITE PLAN, TREE REMOVAL, AND SO STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
AND THIS IS A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
THEY ALSO ARE GOING TO NEED TWO VARIANCES, I BELIEVE, FROM, FROM, UH, THE ZONING BOARD.
AND AARON, CAN YOU FILL US IN ON THE DETAILS AND EXPLAIN WHAT THE TIMING OF THE ZONING BOARD IS AS WELL? RIGHT.
SO, AS, AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ INDICATED, THERE ARE VARIOUS APPROVALS AND VARIOUS LAND USE BOARDS INVOLVED WITH THIS PROJECT.
THE TOWN BOARD DID REFER THE AMENDED SITE PLAN APPLICATION TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR A RECOMMENDATION.
THE TOWN BOARD ALSO HAS AUTHORITY OVER THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT PLANNING BOARD HAS AUTHORITY OVER THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATION.
AND THE ZONING BOARD, AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ INDICATED, HAS THE AUTHORITY OVER, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY VARIOUS AND, AND, AND NUMEROUS AREA VARIANCES, WHICH I SUPPOSE, UM, MR. I'LL HAVE MR. RABEL GO THROUGH AS PART OF HIS PRESENTATION.
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TO THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED INSTALLATION OF TEMPORARY SEASONAL ENCLOSURES AROUND TWO EXISTING LOWER TENNIS COURTS FOR USE DURING THE COLDER MONTHS, AND THE INSTALLATION OF NEW NETTING ALONG THE EXISTING DRIVING RANGE ON THE COURSE, AS WELL AS THE 16TH POLE OF THE GOLF COURSE FOR SAFETY AND SAFETY PURPOSES.UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I WANT.
SAY I WANT, NO, THERE'S ONE OTHER THING.
AARON WAS, UH, ISN'T IT TRUE, UH, THE, IS THIS ONE OF THE ZONING BOARD WANTS TO BE LEAD AGENCY? SO THIS IS THE THOUGHT PROCESS HERE, AND THE TOWN BOARD DIDN'T, AS YOU, UH, I CAN TELL YOU NOW, DID NOT DECLARE ITS INTENT BECAUSE THE THOUGHT PROCESS HERE WAS DUE TO THE NUMBER OF VARIANCES THAT ARE REQUIRED.
AND, AND AGAIN, THE APPLICANT WILL GO THROUGH THOSE.
IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT THE ZONING BOARD WILL DECLARE ITS INTENT TO SERVE AS LEAD AGENCY.
NOW, WHILE THE APPLICANT IS NOT ON WITH THE ZONING BOARD, UH, I BELIEVE UNTIL THE APRIL MEETING, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS COORDINATE SO THAT THE ZONING BOARD AT ITS UPCOMING MEETING NEXT WEEK CAN VERY QUICKLY AND BRIEFLY DECLARE ITS INTENT TO GET THAT BALL ROLLING FROM A SEEKER STANDPOINT.
SO, THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
WE CAN'T, BUT WE, BUT WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T VOTE ON THAT TILL APRIL 6TH.
NOT THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT, 'CAUSE, BUT WE CAN'T VOTE ON THAT TILL AFTER THEY DECLARE, SO THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME ALL RIGHT? YES.
UH, SO FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME'S STEVEN ABEL.
I'M WITH THE LAW FIRM, MCCULLOUGH GOLDBERG IN STOUT.
I HAVE WITH ME TONIGHT BILL MENARD AND MATT SEVERINO FROM THE CLUB, ZACH PEARSON FROM INSIGHT ENGINEERING, AND MIKE IC FROM ROGERS MCCA ARCHITECTURE.
UH, SO I KNOW WE'RE PRESSED FOR TIME.
I WILL, UH, GO THROUGH MY COMMENTS AS QUICKLY AS I CAN.
UH, ZACH, IF YOU COULD JUST QUICKLY BRING UP YOUR SCREEN TO THE, UH, OVERALL AERIAL, JUST TO GET US STARTED.
AS AARON NOTED, UH, WE ARE HERE BEFORE YOU FOR, UH, A, UH, REFERRAL AND RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD, AS WELL AS RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD, AS WELL AS A SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATION.
AND THIS RELATES TO A TEMPORARY SEASONAL TENNIS ENCLOSURE.
YOU CAN SEE AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN THERE, UH, NEAR EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE, THERE ARE EXISTING TENNIS COURTS AND AS MANY CLUBS ARE DOING NOW, SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB IS LOOKING TO ENCLOSE DURING WINTER MONTHS, TWO OF ITS EXISTING COURTS.
UH, SO YOU CAN SEE THERE, THOSE ARE THE TWO COURTS THAT ARE, UH, FURTHEST FROM THE EXISTING RESIDENCES ALONG HARTSDALE AVENUE.
THEY'RE ALSO AT THE LOWEST ELEVATION.
AND THE INTENT IS TO HAVE THOSE, UH, CONSTRUCTED AND TAKEN DOWN ALL WITHIN THE TIMEFRAME OF OCTOBER 15TH TO APRIL 15TH.
UH, YOU KNOW, ONCE THEY'RE UP, ALSO PROPOSED IS SOME SAFETY NETTING ALONG THE DRIVING RANGE, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IT EXTENDS FROM THE COURT AREAS, UH, ON HARTSDALE AVENUE.
AND THAT WAS REALLY IN RESPONSE TO SOME COMMENTS WE GOT, UH, FROM NEIGHBORS EARLY ON SAYING THEY, THEY WERE STARTING TO SEE SOME BALLS COME OVER.
SO THE CLUB, IN AN EFFORT TO MITIGATE THAT ISSUE IS PROPOSING FOUR STEEL POLES ALONG THE AREA, UH, WITH PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL SAFETY NETTING.
IT'S A MESH NETTING, AND WE'LL GET INTO THOSE DETAILS IN A LITTLE BIT.
AND IT'S 90 FEET TALL AT ITS HIGHEST POINT.
THE OTHER NETTING THAT'S PROPOSED IS ALL THE WAY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COURSE NEAR THE 16TH HOLE.
UH, AND THESE ARE ALSO FOUR WOOD POLES AND A LITTLE BIT SHORTER, ABOUT 25 FEET IN HEIGHT.
AND, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS TO, UH, MITIGATE, UH, SOME ISSUES NEIGHBORS HAVE HAD WITH BALLS GOING OVER THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO, UH, JUST QUICKLY, BECAUSE I KNOW AARON HAD ASKED THAT I ARTICULATE THE SPECIFICS OF VARIANCES, WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEKING SIX AREA VARIANCES IN TOTAL.
THREE FOR THE TENNIS AND TENNIS ENCLOSURE.
UH, SO THERE'S A FRONT YARD VARIANCE FOR THE ENCLOSURE.
UH, 200 FEET IS REQUIRED, UH, BECAUSE OF THE SPECIAL PERMIT CRITERIA, BUT 92.1 FEET IS PROPOSED.
THE SIDE YARD 25 FEET IS REQUIRED, WHERE SIX IS PROPOSED.
AGAIN, WORKING WITH THE EXISTING COURT LOCATIONS.
UH, AND THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WOULD BE, OR EXCUSE ME, OF, OF A BUILDING WOULD BE 30 FEET.
WHEREAS WE ARE 38 FEET AT THE PEAK.
UH, THAT'S TO ACCOMMODATE, AS I'M SURE YOU CAN IMAGINE.
UH, AND THIS IS ALL, UM, INDUSTRY STANDARD RANGE, REQUIRES A HEIGHT VARIANCE FOR BOTH THE SHORTER 16 HOLE, UH, NETTING, WHICH IS 25 FEET, WHERE 12 IS PER FOOT PROPOSED.
THE DRIVING RANGE HAS 90 FEET, WHERE 12 IS PERMITTED, AND THE 16TH HOLE HAS A SIDE YARD VARIANCE.
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16 FEET IS REQUIRED, 3.4 FEET IS PROPOSED.THREE FOR THE BUBBLE, THREE FOR THE NET THING, THE BUBBLE, UH, WE'LL GET INTO IN A LITTLE BIT.
UM, I THINK AT THIS POINT, I KNOW WE'RE PRESS FOR TIME.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ZACH PEARSON, WHO CAN TAKE YOU THROUGH THE DETAILS OF THE SITE PLAN, WHICH IS REALLY TO DO WITH THE TENNIS ENCLOSURE, STEVE.
UM, JUST, UH, JUST TO GET THE BOARD, UM, UP TO SPEED WITH WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE.
UM, AS STEVE MENTIONED, THERE ARE THREE EXISTING TIMES COURTS, UM, AND THERE IS A LOWEST LOWER PRACTICE COURT, UH, LOCATED RIGHT HERE OFF A CLUB WAY.
UM, PROPOSAL IS TO CONSTRUCT A, THIS ENCLOSURE OVER, UH, THE, THE, THE TWO NORTHERN COURTS OF THE THREE COURT BANK YEAR.
UM, I JUST WANNA STATE THAT WE DID HAVE, UH, SOME INITIAL MEETINGS WITH JOHN STAFF, UH, AS WELL AS FIRE, UM, AND, AND, UH, THE POLICE, UH, TO KIND OF DEVELOP THESE PLANS INITIALLY.
UM, WE'VE, FIRST OF ALL, WE'VE PROPOSED SOME TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS HERE AT THE ENTRANCE OF CLUB WAY.
THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS, UM, ABOUT A STOP BAR AND A STOP SIGN HERE.
SO WE'VE LOOKED TO, YOU KNOW, GET THAT, UM, CLEANED UP IN THIS AREA.
UH, WE'VE PROVIDED, UH, TWO HANDICAPPED PARKING SPACES FOR ACCESSIBILITY, UM, CROSSWALK, UM, ACROSS THE EXISTING CLUB ACCESS, UM, AND A RAMP SYSTEM HERE TO GET YOU, UH, DOWN TO THE EXISTING COURT ELEVATION.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE HAVE THE, THE PEN ENCLOSURE, WHICH WILL, YOU KNOW, SURROUND THE TWO EXISTING COURTS.
UM, BUT THAT, THAT SQUARE BASICALLY REPRESENTS A, UM, IT'S A BA, IT'S THE, IT'S THE GRADE BEAM, ESSENTIALLY.
IT'S A, IT'S A BALL SYSTEM FOR THE, FOR THE ENCLOSURE TO BE LATCHED ONTO.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, WE DID HAVE SOME, UH, CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, REGARDING FIRE ACCESS TO THE STRUCTURE.
UM, WE HAVE SOME IMPROVEMENTS HERE PROPOSED OFF OF CLUB WAY TO KIND OF OPEN UP, UM, THIS AREA HERE OFF OF CLUB WAY FOR A FIRETRUCK TO GET DOWN, GET ONTO THE COURTS.
UM, HERE, I'M JUST GONNA SWITCH TO THE GRADING PLAN REAL QUICK.
AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, WE ARE PROPOSING TO RAISE THE, THE, THE PRACTICE COURT AREA, THE EXISTING PRACTICE COURT AREA.
RAISE THAT UP A LITTLE BIT TO CREATE A GENTLER TURN HERE TO GET THE FIRETRUCK IN AND ACCESS TO THAT STRUCTURE.
UM, WE HAVE STORMWATER PROPOSED, UH, FOR TREATMENT OF THE NEW IMPERVIOUS AREAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AND I'LL JUST QUICKLY GO TO THE NETTING HERE.
I GOT BLOW UP OF EACH OF THEM OF THOSE AREAS.
UH, HERE'S AN AERIAL SHOWING THE, UH, FOUR POLES THAT STEVEN MENTIONED, UM, ALONG THE DRIVING RANGE.
UH, THREE POLES AT 75 FEET AND ONE AT 90.
AND THE ONE AT 90 IS JUST TO GET, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S AT A LOWER ELEVATION SO THAT ALL THOSE POLES WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE APPEARANCE OF THE SAME HEIGHT, UH, FROM THE CLUB SIDE.
AND, UM, AND HERE'S THE, THE FOUR POLES BEHIND THE 16TH GREEN, 25 FEET HEIGHT.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT, I, I CAN TURN IT OVER TO MIKE OG FROM ROGER MCPA TO, TO KIND OF WALK YOU GUYS THROUGH THE, THE RENDERINGS THAT WERE PROVIDED.
HI, THIS IS MIKE CHER FROM ROGERS MCCA ARCHITECT.
UM, SO THIS IS A VIEW OF THE TENNIS BUBBLE, UM, LOOKING FROM, UH, BETWEEN THE CHASE, UH, BANK AND THE IRISH BANK RESTAURANT.
UM, AND THIS SHOWS IT WITH THE LEAVES OFF THE TREES.
SO THIS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE THE WORST IT WOULD LOOK IN THIS SCENARIO.
YOU, YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT ONE, ZACH.
THIS IS FROM THE PARKING GARAGE AND ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING TENNIS COURTS.
UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE HEIGHT OF THE BUBBLE FROM THAT ELEVATION.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS A PHOTO WITH THE LEAVES OFF THE TREES THAT SHOW YOU MORE OF THE BUBBLE SITUATION.
UH, THIS IS THE RANGE NETTING LOOKING TOWARDS THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS FROM THE FAR SIDE OF THE RANGE FROM THE APARTMENT.
UH, AND ZACH ARE THE THREE ON THE LEFT, THE 75 AND THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IN THIS, THE 90 FEET, CORRECT? YOU DOES 75.
AND THAT ONE WAS THE ONE THAT DROPS DOWN THE HILL MOVING 90 FEET? CORRECT.
THAT'S THE DRIVING RANGE NETTING.
AND THIS IS BEHIND THE 16TH GREEN.
UH, AND THESE ARE THE POLES THAT ARE 25 FEET EACH.
AND AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL FOR SAFETY.
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UH, AND ONE THING, I DON'T THINK I HEARD YOU MENTION, ZACH, BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING FOR THE NEW TENNIS AREA, UH, WE'RE INCORPORATING A B A ACCESS, WHICH CURRENTLY, UH, THEY DON'T HAVE.SO WE'RE, IF YOU WANNA GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN, ZACH, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE A D A RAMP THAT RINGS YOU FROM THE CLUB DRIVEWAY DOWN TO THE TENNIS COURTS, WHICH HELPS BOTH IN THE SUMMERTIME AND WINTER WHEN THE BUBBLES UP.
SO THIS WILL BE A D A ACCESSIBLE, WHICH CURRENTLY THEY ARE NOT.
SO I THINK, I THINK THAT'S A BIG POINT, BUT THAT, THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAVE, STEVE, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, UH, THANKS MIKE TIME.
I THINK WE'VE GOT, UH, MAYBE EIGHT MINUTES LEFT.
UH, SO I'M HAPPY TO EXPOUND ON ANY ADDITIONAL DETAILS AND WE CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
BUT GIVEN THE TIME RESTRICTIONS, I, I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD, UH, IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
ONE, HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS? WALTER, I SEE YOUR HAND UP TOO.
DO, HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS ABOUT THIS YET? YES.
UH, WE DID OUTREACH WITH THE, AND MATT CAN CORRECT ME, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE PRESIDENT, OR AT LEAST A, A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE GREENRIDGE ASSOCIATION.
WE MET WITH THE HARTSDALE PARKING DISTRICT'S REPRESENTATIVES, AND WE MET WITH OWNERSHIP REPRESENTATIVES OF, UH, NUMEROUS APARTMENT BUILDINGS ALONG HARTSDALE AVENUE.
AND WHAT WAS, IT WAS THERE WAS, WERE THEY OKAY WITH THIS? HOW DID THEY FEEL ABOUT ANY OF THIS? SO, MY UNDERSTANDING, I WASN'T DIRECTLY A PART OF THE GREENRIDGE ASSOCIATION, BUT IT WAS THAT THEY HAD NO, UH, QUALMS WITH THE PROJECT.
THE PARKING DISTRICT, UH, SEEMED TO BE OKAY WITH IT.
I BELIEVE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN, UH, ATTORNEYS AND REPRESENTATIVES, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE ON TONIGHT.
THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE FULLY ADDRESSING THE STORM WATER MITIGATION ELEMENTS.
AND THEY WANTED US TO ENSURE THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE ANY, UH, INCREASE IN RUNOFF INTO THE PARKING GARAGE.
AND CERTAINLY ZACH CAN SPEAK TO THAT IN GREATER DETAIL IF YOU'D LIKE.
UH, AND THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS, BY AND LARGE, UH, DID NOT HAVE ANY ISSUES.
I BELIEVE WE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM ONE 20, UH, ASKING IF THE NETTING COULD, UH, PERHAPS CHANGE COLOR TO A MUTED GREEN, AND IF IT COULD BE PLACED AT OR BELOW THE EXISTING TREE LINE, WHICH, IF YOU GO TO THE RENDERINGS, WE ARE JUST ABOUT AT THE TREE LINE AND A LITTLE BIT BELOW IN SOME PLACES.
UM, BUT, UH, OVERALL, I, I BELIEVE THEY WERE RELATIVELY PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSIONS, THOUGH.
I, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS, ESPECIALLY IF ANY ARE, ARE LISTENING IN AND WANNA SUBMIT, UH, ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
WALTER, THEN TIM, UNLESS TOMAN, SORRY, I'M LESS CONCERNED WITH THE, THE NETTING.
I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH HOW THE BUBBLE LOOKS TO THE RESIDENTS AR AROUND THERE.
AND YOU SAID, UH, THAT WOULD BE, THOSE APARTMENTS ON HARTSDALE COULD SEE THOSE, SEE THE BUBBLE, NOT THE FENCE.
I'M JUST TALKING WHO COULD SEE THE BUBBLE.
SO, UH, ZACH, ARE YOU ABLE TO GO TO THE, UM, RENDERING FROM HARTSDALE AVENUE? SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF, OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE LOCATION AND, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW, ZACH, IF, IF, MAYBE WE CAN ALSO, I DON'T, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT I, I SEE THIS, I DON'T, TO ME, THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM IN THE COMMERCIAL, IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA.
I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE RE WHAT THE, UH, RESIDENCY FROM THEIR APARTMENT, UH, UH, OF, UH, IN TERMS OF THE BUBBLE.
UH, SO MAYBE THE BEST THING TO DO THEN, ZACH, IS TO GO TO THE AERIAL TO SHOW LOCATION RELATIVE TO THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
UH, AS IT STANDS NOW, I BELIEVE THE MOST IMPACTED PROPERTY WOULD ACTUALLY PROBABLY BE THE PARKING GARAGE.
UM, AND SO YEAH, WE DID A, WE DID A RENDERING FROM THE PARKING GARAGE, UH, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IS RIGHT THERE, UM, WHICH WE SHARED WITH YOU EARLIER ON.
AND THEN THE NEXT BUILDING OVER, UH, WE DID MEET WITH THOSE NEIGHBORS.
I, UH, ZACH, DO YOU HAPPEN TO REMEMBER WHICH BUILDING THAT IS? THAT'S THE CLOSEST.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, BUT I JUST WANNA PLANT THAT A AS A CONCERN.
YEAH, I, I WOULD JUST, I AGREE WITH WALTER AND I WOULD CHECK FROM, ARE THERE ANY FROM LIKE OLD COLONY ROAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT THERE WERE NO VIEWS FROM OLD COLONY ROAD OR ANYTHING LIKE
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THAT, OR, YEAH, WITH THE HOUSES ON THAT SIDE, THE APARTMENTS ACROSS HARSDALE AVENUE ARE PRETTY FAR AWAY, BUT THEY'RE, YEAH, THEY'RE ELEVATED AND THEY MAY BE ABLE TO SEE IT, BUT IT'S A PRETTY, PRETTY FAR, FAR AWAY.I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY A CONCERN.
I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH THE PEOPLE UP ON THE HILL.
I THINK, AND MY, AND MY OTHER CONCERN, WHEN YOU SAID THE BACKYARDS, THE SETBACK IS THE SETBACK FROM YOUR PROPERTY LINE OR THE SETBACK FROM, UH, UH, INTERIOR BUILDING OF THE WI YOU WITH, WHEN YOU SAID YOU LACK, UM, THE PROPERTY, THE PROPER SETBACK, SETBACK FROM WHAT YOUR PROPERTY LINE OR INTERNAL BUILDING? SO WE REQUIRE VARIANCES FROM THE TOWN FOR VARIOUS PROPERTY LINE SETBACKS.
SO THE, THE, THAT'S THE PROPERTY LINE.
THE TENANT ENCLOSURE, THAT'S THE YES, CORRECT.
TOM, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? UM, IT WAS ALREADY ADDRESSED.
UM, I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S GONNA BE LIGHTING IN THIS BUBBLE AND HOW LATE AT NIGHT THERE'LL BE PLAY IF THERE'S LIGHTING, THERE WILL BE LIGHTING IN THE BUBBLE AT ANTICIPATED HOURS FROM THE CLUB WOULD BE 6:00 AM TO 10:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, AND 7:00 AM TO 8:00 PM ON WEEKENDS.
AND WILL THIS BE DISRUPTIVE IF IT'S LIT LATE AT NIGHT? THAT'S MY CONCERN.
THE LIGHTING AT NIGHT, WE DON'T BELIEVE IT WOULD BE, UH, PARTICULARLY DISRUPTIVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THIS IS A USE THAT EXISTS NOW, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY OUTDOOR AND UNLIT.
UH, BUT BY BRINGING IT INSIDE, SO TO SPEAK, YOU'RE, I I WOULD ARGUE YOU'RE ACTUALLY REDUCING THE IMPACTS FROM NOISE, ET CETERA.
UH, THE ONLY LIGHTING THAT I THINK YOU'RE LIGHT LIABLE TO SEE, UH, COULD BE THROUGH THE SKYLIGHT IN THE ROOF.
UM, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE ANY BRIGHTER THAN THE EXISTING PARKING LIGHTING ON THE PARKING GARAGE NEXT DOOR, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE RESIDENCES.
YOU JUST CHIME JUST TO, I JUST WANNA CHIME IN ON THE LIGHT EX EXTERNALLY, LET YOU KNOW THERE, THERE, THERE WILL BE DOWN LIGHTING ALONG THIS RAMP FOR, YOU KNOW, TO SHOW PATH DOWN THE, DOWN THE RAMP AND AT EXTERNAL DOORS FOR THE ENCLOSURE.
YOU KNOW, A TYPICAL DOWN LIGHT, YOU KNOW, AT, AT ALL THE DOORS.
THERE'S A DOOR HERE, THERE'S A DOOR HERE, AND THERE'S A DOOR BACK ON THIS SIDE.
SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BUT THE BUBBLE WILL GLOW AT NIGHT, I ASSUME, RIGHT? THAT'S THE POINT.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE IS A, A CENTER, UM, SKYLIGHT SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE PLAYING DURING THE DAY, YOU HAVE MORE NATURAL LIGHT AND WE WOULDN'T LIGHT.
MY CONCERN IS THE HEIGHT OF THE NETTING THAT TO PRO SORT OF PROTECT THE GOLF POOLS NOT GOING INTO THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
UH, CAN YOU TELL THAT WHAT'S, WHAT PERCENTAGES BALLS WOULD GO, UH, INTO THE, UH, APARTMENT BUILDING, UH, COMPARED TO LIKE, SAY IF YOU HAVE A 30 FEET HIGH OR 35 FEET HIGH.
SO IF IT IS LIKE ONLY 10% YOU'LL CAPTURE BY MAKING IT AT 75 FEET.
UH, I THINK WE SHOULD REALLY, WE SHOULD DISCUSS WITH THE CONCERNS THAT THE APARTMENT BUILDING OWNERS HAD IN TERMS OF HEIGHT AND THEN THE COLOR OF IT.
SO IF IT IS ONLY 10%, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT BALLS WOULD BE, IF IT IS ONLY LIKE A 20 BALLS, I MEAN THREE BALLS PER DAY OR WEEK, I THINK, UH, JUST WAY INTO THE HEIGHT OF THE NETTING COMPARED TO IT NOT TRYING TO CAPTURE EVERY BALL THAT HE THAT'S BEEN GOING THROUGH IT.
YOU DON'T NEED TO ANSWER THAT NOW, BUT IF YOU COULD YEAH.
RESEARCH THAT AND GET BACK TO US AND THAT I'D APPRECIATE IT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS TONIGHT? 'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
CAN, WOULD IT BE ALL RIGHT IF I SPOKE QUICKLY TO ONE OF THE ISSUES RAISED THERE? I, AND I DON'T WANNA DO, SO IF IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.
UH, SO ZACH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD JUST QUICKLY BRING UP THE DRIVING RANGE, UH, RENDERING, BECAUSE I DO WANNA POINT OUT JUST ONE NOTE, WHICH IS CERTAINLY THE NETTING HEIGHT IS DRIVEN BY OUR, UH, NETTING CONTRACTORS EXPERTISE IN THE FIELD, AND THEY'RE DOING CALCULATIONS AND TELLING US BASED ON DISTANCE AND BALL TRAJECTORY YOU NEED X AMOUNT OF FEET.
BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING, AND WHAT I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, CAME ACROSS IN THE DISCUSSION IS THAT FAR RIGHT POST, WHICH ACTUALLY APPEARS TO BE ONE OF, IF NOT THE LOWEST POSTS, IS THE TALLEST.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT THE ELEVATION SLOPES DOWN PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY AS YOU GO TOWARDS THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
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WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THAT LOWER POST.UH, AND SO I JUST, YES, THE VARIANCE IS HIGHER BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH THE LOWER ELEVATION, BUT THE VISUAL IMPACTS, UH, TO THE RESIDENCES ARE ACTUALLY NOT AS SIGNIFICANT AS THEY MAY APPEAR ON PAPER.
SO I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT.
AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH WHATEVER COLORING, UH, THE BOARD OR THE NEIGHBORS FEEL IS APPROPRIATE.
MY RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT IS AS I WANT TO TRY TO GET AT LEAST ONE MORE IN THERE, IF PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO STAY FOR A SECOND ONE, WE, WE'LL TRY TO GET TWO IN TONIGHT, THE REST OF IT IN TONIGHT, UM, THAT WE CONTINUE THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING.
AARON, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? OKAY.
SO WE CONTINUE THE WORK SESSION.
THE NEXT MEETING, IF YOU COULD ANSWER THE, THE FEW QUESTIONS WE HAVE ON THAT, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ANYWAY RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE HEAR FROM THE ZONING BOARD.
AND, AND, UH, EVEN A RECOMMENDATION 'CAUSE THAT'S, THEY NOT, THEY'RE NOT AT THAT STAGE.
SO THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO IN TERMS OF RECOMMENDATION RIGHT NOW ANYWAY.
AM I CORRECT ON THAT? WE'LL DO THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH WILL BE BEFORE THE NEXT, THE NEXT ZONING BOARD MEETING.
AT OUR NEXT MEETING, THE, THE PLANNING BOARD CAN CONSIDER YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND GET SOME ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS.
WE GET THE ANSWERS, WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS RIGHT THERE ON THE SPOT, HOPEFULLY, UH, TO THE ZONING BOARD.
BUT THEN THE ZONING BOARD WILL HAVE THEIR, THEIR PART OF THIS TOGETHER, I WOULD HOPE.
AND BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA DECLARE THEMSELVES LEADS AGENCY, THEY HAVE TO WAIT FOR 30 DAYS FOR RESPONSE FOR THAT.
WE CAN SAY THAT'S FINE AND AT THE SAME TIME MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
SO, AND, AND TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THE AMENDED SITE PLAN REFERRAL.
SO, SO THE THE NEXT MEETING IS ON APRIL 6TH.
AND WE'LL SCHEDULE THROUGH THAT DAY.
WE APPRECIATE, THANK YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT.
UH, NEXT PRO PROJECT IS GOSHKA, UH, PB CASE 2202, UH, HIGH ONE 14, I'M SORRY, 14 HIGH POINT LANE.
IT'S A PLANNING BOARD AND WATER WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT.
AND UH, AARON, YOU WANNA GO THROUGH A DESCRIPTION OF IT AGAIN? I'M GONNA TRY TO STAY TO 20 MINUTES AND IF YOU DON'T MIND GUYS, IF WE COULD STAY AN EXTRA 10 MINUTES, WE CAN PROBABLY GET THROUGH THE WHOLE SCHEDULE TONIGHT AS LONG AS WE HOLD TO 20 MINUTES ON THIS.
OKAY, SO AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ INDICATED CASE NUMBER PB 2202 GOSHKA 14 HIGH POINT LANE PO OF SCARSDALE AND THE R 21 FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT SEEKS PLANNING BOARD WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS RELATED TO A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION OF AN EXISTING ONE, FAMILY DWELLING AND CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ONE, FAMILY DWELLING ON THE SAME SITE WITH RELATED IMPROVEMENTS.
THE WETLAND, WATERCOURSE, AND WETLAND WATERCOURSE BUFFER AREA ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 25,687 SQUARE FEET.
AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING APPROXIMATELY 18,319 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE WITHIN THE REGULATED BUFFER AREA.
NO DIRECT DISTURBANCE TO THE WETLAND OR WATERCOURSE IS PROPOSED.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES 1,153 CUBIC YARDS OF IMPORTED FILL REQUIRING A FILL PERMIT FROM THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE REMOVAL OF 16 REGULATED TREES REQUIRING A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT AND IS PREPARED A LANDSCAPING PLAN PROVIDING FOR THE PLANTING OF 16 TREES AS REPLACEMENTS.
THE PROJECT WAS REFERRED TO THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL, WHICH ISSUED A POSITIVE CONDITIONAL RECOMMENDATION DATED FEBRUARY 13TH, 2022, WHICH WAS CIRCULATED TO PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS.
FURTHER, THE PROJECT WAS REFERRED TO THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD AS THE PROPERTY CONTAINS A RESIDENCE MORE THAN 50 YEARS OLD.
THAT IS PROPOSED FOR DEMOLITION THE H AND L P VIEW ON THIS, UH, THIS PROJECT AT THIS TIME, AND WE EXPECT TO HEAR BACK FROM THEM SHORTLY.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.
TURN THINGS OVER TO THE APPLICANT'S TEAM NOW WE'D LIKE TO PRESENT.
WE'VE ENABLED THE SHARE SCREEN AGAIN, WE HAVE ABOUT 15 MINUTES OR SO TO MOVE THROUGH THE PROJECT, SO TURN IT OVER TO YOU NOW.
UM, CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN.
UH, GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
MY NAME IS SHEA GRAHAM, UM, FROM HUDSON ENGINEERING ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT FOR 14 HIGH POINT LANE.
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UH, THE PROJECT PROPOSES A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING POWERED BY SOLAR.UH, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, UH, OR THE EXISTING SITE CONTAINS AN EXISTING DWELLING ALONG WITH ITS EXISTING DRIVEWAY AND, UH, THE PROPOSED PLANS PROPOSES, UH, A PROPOSED DRIVEWAY, UH, DWELLING, PATIOS COVERED PORCH AND POOL.
WE CAPTURED ALL PROPOSED AND PREVIOUS AREAS FOR THE 25 YEAR STORM EVENT.
WE UTILIZED COLD TEXT AND COMBINATION WITH RAIN GARDEN TO SATISFY THE STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS.
AND THE RAIN GARDEN ALLOWS RUNOFF TO LEAVE THE SITE LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
AS YOU CAN SEE, A PORTION OF THE PROPOSED IMPERVIOUS AREA AS LONG AS A PORTION OF THE EXISTING IMPERVIOUS AREAS, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE BEFORE AND AFTER DIAGRAM LOCATED AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF THE PLAN.
UM, THERE IS, UH, IS LOCATED WITHIN, UH, THE WETLAND BUFFER, UH, MITIGATION PLAN WAS REPAIRED, WHICH CONSISTS OF YELLOW FERNS AND NATIVE PERENNIALS TO HELP STABILIZE THE SLOPES, WHICH IS SYMBOLIZED BY THE E YELLOW HIGHLIGHTING, WHICH IS SYMBOLIZED BY THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHTING.
AND IT ALSO PROPOSES SHRUBS TO ENHANCE THE HABITAT AREA NEAR THE STREAM, WHICH IS, UH, REPRESENTED BY THE BLUE HIGHLIGHTED AREA.
AT THIS TIME, OUR TEAM WOULD LOVE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF ANYONE HAS A QUESTION.
ANYBODY IN THE BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS? UH, YEAH, I WAS JUST KIND OF MOVING THROUGH THE PLANS BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T SHARED, SO YOU MAY HAVE MISSED SOME OF IT.
BUT, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A NEW PROPOSED SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING WITH THE DRIVEWAY, KIND OF LIKE A SOMEWHAT ODD CONFIGURATION, BUT A MORE OR LESS HORSESHOE SHAPED DRIVEWAY.
AND, UM, THE WATERCOURSE RUNS, UH, ITS SURFACES AT THIS POINT UP HERE, IF YOU CAN SEE MY CURSOR AND RUNS PARALLEL TO THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE BEFORE TURNING ACROSS THE FRONT ENTERS A CULVERT AND GOES UNDERGROUND AT THAT POINT TO PROPERTIES, UH, FURTHER DOWN SLOPE.
SO, AND HOW, HOW FAR IS THE DISTURBANCE FROM, FROM THE WATERCOURSE AGAIN? UH, SO WE'LL LET THE APPLICANT YEAH, WE'LL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THAT.
I, I PROBABLY HAVE IT IN THE STAFF REPORT.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING SOME GRADING IN THIS AREA, SO THE HOUSE IS FURTHER THAN THE ACTUAL, UM, NEAREST LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE, WHICH INVOLVES THE GRADING AND THE PLANTING AREA.
BUT THE, UH, THE HOUSE IS A BIT FURTHER.
I WILL LOOK THAT UP, UM, MOMENTARILY.
IT SAYS, IT SAYS, IT TELLS YOU HOW MUCH IN THE DESCRIPTION, IT DOESN'T TELL YOU.
WHO HAS THE, THEIR HANDS UP? UH, WALTER, THEN TOM AND DAVE.
UM, AND WITH THE SUBDIVIDING, I SAID, WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE HOUSE THAT WAS JUST ON THE, ON THE ON SCREEN.
IS THAT THE ONE THAT'S 6,100 SQUARE FEET OR THE OTHER, THE SUBDIVIDED 1, 6, 100 SQUARE FEET.
SO WOULD THE APPLICANT BE ABLE TO TELL US THE CURRENT SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE EXISTING HOME VERSUS THE PROPOSED SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE NEW RESIDENCE? SO WALTER AND, AND OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, JUST A REMINDER, THEY INTEND TO, THERE'S NO SUBDIVISION INVOLVED.
THEY INTEND TO TEAR DOWN, DEMOLISH THE EXISTING RESIDENCE, AND WE'LL FIND OUT WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT IS AND BUILD A NEW HOME IN ITS PLACE.
UH, AND WE'LL FIND OUT WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT.
BUT THEN, UH, THEN, UH, SOMEHOW THEN MAYBE I'M READING THIS INCORRECTLY.
IT, IT SAYS, UH OH, THE CURRENT PROPERTY IS 6,100 SQUARE FEET TOTAL.
NOW YOU'RE ON THE WRONG, YOU'RE ON THE WRONG, WRONG.
UH OH, WALTER, THAT'S A DIFFERENT CASE.
THAT'S THE NEXT APPLICATION, WHICH IS THE JAZZ PROJECT.
I'LL WITHDRAW MY QUESTION, BUT, BUT ACTUALLY THE QUESTION ABOUT FOOTPRINTS STILL, UH, THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE IS STILL A GOOD ONE.
UM, TOM, UH, YEAH, IN TERMS OF THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, UM, I SEE THAT YOU PREPARED, UM, TO, UH, ACCOMMODATED 25 YEAR STORM EVENT.
I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT OUR CODE IS, BUT WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE, ESPECIALLY THE WAY THE WEATHER'S GOING THESE DAYS TO GO BEYOND THAT, I DON'T THINK WE CAN REQUIRE IT, BUT I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO TRY TO CAPTURE MORE THAN THAT FOR YOUR OWN SAKE AND FOR THE SAKE OF THE TOWN.
UM, DID SOMEBODY ELSE, UH, UH, DAVID
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THEN, CORRECT? YEP.DID I, UH, SHAY DID I HEAR CORRECTLY THAT YOU SAID THAT IT WAS GONNA BE SOLAR POWERED? AND IF SO, WHAT? THE EXTENT OF THE, UM, WHETHER THAT'S GONNA BE A HUNDRED PERCENT OR, OR HOW IT'S GONNA BE ACCOMPLISHED? YES, THE, THE PLANS WOULD BE SO, UH, THE HOUSE WOULD BE SOLAR POWERED, BUT, UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST FOR, UH, UH, THE ARCHITECT TO TAKE THIS ONE.
THANK YOU FOR STAYING UP SO LATE.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, EFFORTS ON THIS ONE.
UH, TRACKING BACK REAL QUICK TO THE CONVERSATIONS.
MY NAME IS GABBY CHILINGERIAN.
I'M THE ARCHITECT OF RECORD, UH, TRACKING BACK, UH, AT THIS TIME, UH, WITH THE WHOLE GLOBAL ENERGY.
UH, OUR CLIENT, JOSEPH, HAS DECIDED TO MAKE THE BUILDING SELF SUSTAINABLE.
UH, IT WILL BE SOLAR POWERED AND, UH, FULLY SUSTAINABLE ON ITS OWN PROPERTY, WHICH IS AMAZING.
WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, THE, THE BUILDING WILL BE FULLY OPERATIONAL, UH, VIA GREEN, UH, SOLAR PANELS WHERE, UH, YOU WILL NOT BE AESTHETICALLY SEEING IT FROM THE CURB, WHICH IS AN ATTRIBUTE FOR THE PROJECT AS WELL.
UH, THE WAY THE ANGLE OF THE BUILDING AND THE ROOFING IS, IT JUST, IT JUST WORKED OUT REALLY WELL FOR, FOR OUR CLIENTS.
UH, SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THE INTENT OF THIS PROJECT IS, IS TO BE SELF-SUSTAINABLE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, ECO-FRIENDLY AND, UH, AND, AND TRYING TO MOVE EFFORTS INTO THE NEW WORLD AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PREVIOUSLY.
I SEE A GREAT SMILE FROM MO
I, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS HAD ANY QUESTIONS, WE'D, WE'D HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S, HE'S FROZEN.
CRAIG, ARE YOU THERE? NO, I GUESS MONA WAS NEXT.
DID KURT COME BACK? YES, I GOT, I GOT KNOCKED OFF TOO.
COR WAS ACTUALLY NEXT TO SOMETHING DROPPED OFF.
MY QUESTION, I THINK THAT, UH, GABBY DIDN'T ANSWER IS THAT, UH, WAS WHAT PERCENTAGE IS IS GONNA BE SOLAR.
AND I THINK YOU JUST SORT OF SAID IT'S WONDERFUL, IT'S NICE, BUT ACTUALLY WHAT'S THE NUMBERS? HI, HOW'S IT GOING? THIS IS ACTUALLY JOSEPH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL IT RIGHT NOW, BUT, UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY JOSEPH, ER, THE OWNER? NO, I'VE BEEN ON AND, UM, I DO ACTUALLY HAVE ALL THE STATISTICS AS, UH, THE PANELS HAVE BEEN ORDERED.
UM, HOPEFULLY, ACTUALLY, UH, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY INSTALLING 62 PANASONIC PANELS AND WE ARE ESTIMATED TO BE PRODUCING BETWEEN 23,000 KILOWATTS TO 23, 20 6,000 KILOWATTS A YEAR.
UM, THAT'S ABOUT 120% MORE THAN WHAT IS ANTICIPATED TO BE USED ON OUR HOUSE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA BE OFF THE GRID? WE ARE.
UH, SO WE TRY TO ORIENTATE THE HOUSE TO BE AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE, HENCE WHY WE ARE ENCROACHING A LITTLE BIT ON THAT 100 FOOT BUFFER BECAUSE WE HAVE TO FACE THAT THE HOUSE SOUTH, SOUTHEAST.
AND SINCE THIS IS A BRAND NEW CONSTRUCTION WHERE WE'RE DEMOLISHING THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, WE HAVE THAT ABILITY TO REALLY POSITION THIS HOUSE FOR A VERY LONG PERIOD OF TIME WHERE THE HOUSE WILL NOT HAVE TO BE TOUCHED.
IF, LET'S SAY IN 20 YEARS THEY BECOME, UH, LET'S SAY THEY COME OUT WITH BETTER, UH, MORE EFFICIENT SOLAR PANELS, THE HOUSE WILL NEVER HAVE TO BE TOUCHED FOR THAT SAKE OR THE ROOF.
UM, JUST THE SOLAR PANELS WILL HAVE TO BE REPLACED TO BE MORE EFFICIENT.
AND, UH, CURRENTLY WITH MY RESEARCH, THE PANASONIC SOLAR PANELS THROUGH INFINITY SOLAR HAVE A 20 YEAR LIFE, UH, WARRANTY.
AND, UM, I THINK WHAT WE REALLY LIKED ABOUT IT WAS THAT, UM, THE PANELS ARE ACTUALLY WARRANTIED FOR 90% EFFICIENCY FOR 20 YEARS AS WELL.
SO IF THEY FALL BELOW 90% EFFICIENCY, WE ARE BE ABLE TO REPLACE THOSE PANELS TOO.
ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE A GEOTHERMAL? WE DID THINK ABOUT GEOTHERMAL, BUT REALLY THE END ALL BE ALL OF IT WAS THAT THOSE SYSTEMS ARE GREAT FOR IF YOU, IF ANYONE HAD THE UNLIMITED RESOURCES, THEY'RE PHENOMENAL.
BUT THE THING IS, IS THAT SINCE WE LIVE IN A FOUR SEASON COMMUNITY, UM, THE TEMPERATURE DIS DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE GEOTHERMAL AND WHAT THE TEMPERATURE ON A DAILY BASIS OUTSIDE IS VERY MINIMAL COMPARED TO, LET'S SAY CANADA OR FLORIDA OR ARIZONA, WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE DAYS ARE 90 DEGREES, 80 DEGREES, A HUNDRED DEGREES.
AND SO HAVING THAT 56 DEGREE TEMPERATURE FROM
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THE CORE, FROM THE EARTH BELOW THE, UH, PER PERMAFROST, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THAT MUCH MORE OF A DIFFERENCE WHERE, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ELECTRICITY WORK AS HARD HERE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE, WELL LOOK AT TODAY, RIGHT? WE ARE ACTUALLY E EXACTLY THE SAME TEMPERATURES.THE GEOTHERMAL 55, 56 DEGREES.
GEOTHERMAL WOULD HAVE NO EFFECT TODAY.
ACTUALLY, THE PROBLEM IS WOULD BE THESE DAYS GEOTHERMAL WOULD BE USING MORE POWER THAN NECESSARY 'CAUSE IT RUNS 24 7.
OKAY, SO I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE TREE REMOVALS.
UM, HOW MANY TREES WILL YOU BE TAKING DOWN AS OPPOSED TO HOW MANY YOU'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING BACK UP? UH, WE, WE HAD A SURVEY DONE.
UH, WE'RE TAKING 16 TREES DOWN AND THE REASON WE'RE TAKING 16 TREES DOWN IS BECAUSE THEY INTERFERE WITH SOLAR.
SO, UM, WE ARE INTENDING TO PUT BACK 16 TREES, UH, TO REPLACE THEM AROUND THE PROPERTY IN PLACES THAT DON'T INTERFERE WITH THE SOLAR.
UM, I GUESS THE NEXT STEP ON THIS ONE, AARON, IS PUBLIC HEARING.
AT THIS STAGE I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE FINAL, UH, REVIEW OF THE H AND L P B DONE.
SO I THINK THIS CAN ADVANCE TO A PUBLIC HEARING.
I I WOULD PROPOSE WE PUT IT ON THE SCHEDULE FOR APRIL 6TH FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE TIME ON THAT SCHEDULE STILL? YOU HAVE A HEAVY SCHEDULE FOR THAT DAY.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HEAVY SCHEDULE WITH THE, UM, BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE APPLICATION.
OH, WE GOT, WE GOTTA FINISH THE F A A S TOO.
SO WHY DON'T WE PUT IT ON FOR THE, WHY DON'T WE PUT IT ON FOR THE 20TH THEN? OKAY.
OUR SCHEDULE IS REALLY BACKED UP GUYS AND APOLOGIZE, BUT IT WOULD, WE'RE, WE'VE GOT THREE HUGE PROJECTS RIGHT NOW, AND EVEN A SQUEEZ YOU IN TONIGHT WASN'T EASY FOR US.
SO, SO WHY DON'T WE PUT YOU ON DIRECTLY FOR THE 20TH? THAT MEANS OUR DECISION, ASSUMING IT, I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE MORE THAN, UH, ONE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE MADE AT THE MEETING AFTER THAT BEGINNING OF MAY IS WHEN WE, YOU'D HAVE A DECISION FIRST WEEK IN MAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
I LOVE, I LOVE THE FACT WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
I THINK IT'S TERRIFIC, TERRIFIC UNDERTAKING.
CONGRATULATIONS MS.
EMILIO, YOU'VE GOT 20 MINUTES, SO LET ME, UH, GIVE, GIVE THE INTRODUCTION.
IT'S CASE PB 2108, THE, I GUESS, UH, PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION ON CLARATON ROAD FOR A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL AND WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT.
AARON, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA FILL IN BEFORE UM, MR. ESCAL SPEAKS? YEAH, I'LL JUST SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS.
THANK YOU CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ.
SO, UM, THE PROJECT, AS YOU MENTIONED, INVOLVES PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT APPROVALS, UH, RELATED TO A PROJECT INVOLVING A PROPOSAL TO COMBINE TWO EXISTING TAX LOTS TO CREATE ONE LOT FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONSTRUCTING A NEW APPROXIMATELY 2000 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH RELATED IMPROVEMENTS.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES APPROXIMATELY 334 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO STEEP SLOPES, THOSE 15 TO 25%, UH, APPROXIMATELY 380 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO VERY STEEP SLOPES.
THOSE 25 TO 35% AND APPROXIMATELY 94 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO EXCESSIVELY STEEP SLOPES, THOSE 35% AND GREATER THE WA THE WATERCOURSE BUFFER AREA ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 3,200 SQUARE FEET, AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING APPROXIMATELY 350 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSED IS APPROXIMATELY 60 YARDS OF EXCAVATION TO CARRY OUT THE PROJECT.
NO REGULATED TREES ARE PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
I DID WANNA IDENTIFY, HOWEVER, THAT THE PROJECT AS PROPOSED REQUIRES TWO AREA VARIANCES FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS RELATED TO LOT AREA.
SO 7,500 SQUARE FEET REQUIRED IN THE R SEVEN FIVE ZONE, AND THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 6,100 SQUARE FEET.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S AN AREA OF VARIANCE REQUIRED FOR THE LOT WIDTH AS IDENTIFIED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
AND DO YOU KNOW WHETHER, WHETHER THE ZONING BOARD WANTS TO BE LEAD AGENCY ON, ON THIS ONE SINCE IT'S SUCH A SIGNIFICANT, UH, ZONING CHANGE?
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I DO NOT.HOWEVER, UM, THE AREA OF VARIANCES, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST ONE OF 'EM IS, CAN BE DESCRIBED AS SOMEWHAT SUBSTANTIAL AREA OF VARIANCES ON THEIR OWN, QUALIFY AS TYPE TWO ACTIONS, WHEREAS THE SUBDIVISION QUALIFIES AS AN UNLISTED ACTION.
SO TYPICALLY, I THINK FOR THOSE REASONS AND OTHERS IT MAY MAKE SENSE FOR THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND THAT WAS GONNA BE MY NEXT COMMENT.
WHY DON'T WE, LET'S HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AND THEN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THE PLANNING BOARD WANTS TO DECLARE INTENT.
I'LL BE BRIEF, I'M GONNA SHARE THE SCREEN MOMENTARILY.
AARON HAS GIVEN US A VERY QUICK AND ACCURATE DEPICTION OF WHAT THE WHOLE, UH, APPLICATION IS ABOUT.
WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS INHERITED IS AN EXISTING, UH, TWO LOTS THAT WERE SOLD TOGETHER.
IT WASN'T THAT WE FOUND ONE, AND THEN WE FOUND ANOTHER.
THEY WERE SOLD TOGETHER AS A PACKAGE.
AND IT, IT'S INTERESTING WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY, THE TOWN OF GREENBERG SOLD IT TO THE BUYER.
IT WAS, AND IT HAD ALL KINDS OF CAVEATS IN THE DEEDED THAT GUARANTEE THE BUYER THE, UH, UH, THE RIGHT TO BUILD AND SO ON.
BUT OF COURSE, WE ALL KNOW THAT THE ZONING CRITERIA DOMINATE THE SCENE AND WE NEED TO SATISFY, UH, AND BE CONTENT, UH, UH, UH, WITH, WITH THE REGULATION.
SO THE RED IS A SMALLER LOT, THE GREEN IS THE BIG LOT.
YOU CAN SEE AN EASEMENT FOR A SEWER THAT SERVICES THE UPPER, UPPER PROPORTION OF THE ROAD.
UH, BUT AFTER ALL IS SAID AND DONE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE APPLICATION AND THE SETBACKS, ALL WE NEED TO DO IS TO GET, UH, THE FRONTAGE, THE WIDTH, THE MINIMUM WIDTH, UH, UH, UH, RESOLVED IN TERMS OF THE AN E UH, UH, VARIANCE AND THE ACTUAL AREA OF THE ENTIRE LOT.
BUT AS I SAID, THIS WAS PURCHASED, UH, FROM THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
SO THE AREA IS SOMETHING THAT, AND MEL PUT THAT UP FOR.
I'M, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT PUT THAT YEAH, NO, THAT BACK UP.
IS THIS, IS THE, UM, YOU'RE PURPLE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FRONT, FRONT.
IS IT FRONTAGE OR A LOT WIDTH? BECAUSE WITH MINIMUM WIDTH AT THE, AT THE SETBACK OF THE FRONT YARD, WE MUST HAVE A MINIMUM WIDTH OF X AMOUNT OF FEET.
IT'S NOT FROM THE CURB, IT'S BECAUSE YOU GOT THE ANGLE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT RIGHT.
IT'S AT THE SETBACK, AT THE FRONT SETBACK.
SO WE WERE, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE WE WERE ABLE WITH ALL THE OTHER CRITERIA OF SETBACKS.
UH, BOTH SIDES, REAR YARD AND FRONT YARD TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A HOUSE THAT'S QUITE COMFORTABLE, 2000 SQUARE FEET.
AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE HAD TO DISTURB A LITTLE BIT OF THE BACKYARD, UM, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE, UH, A, A REASONABLE BACKYARD FOR THE HOUSE.
THE, THE SET, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE, THE DIMEN, THE LONG DIMENSION TO THE LEFT DOWN, DOWN THE LEFT IS THE 100 FOOT LINE.
UH, AS, UH, THAT DE MARKS THE BUFFER FROM THE, FROM THE DRAINAGE CHANNEL.
IT'S NOT EVEN A, IT FLOWS WHEN IT RAINS, IT DOESN'T REALLY, IT'S NOT A PERENNIAL, UH, IT'S A PER, I'M SORRY.
IT'S A PERENNIAL, UH, TYPE OF SITUATION ONLY, UH, UH, ONLY AS A, UH, USED AS A DRAINAGE CHANNEL FOR EVACUATING SURFACE WATERS.
SO, UH, WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS NOT, IT'S, IT'S NOT A, A CONSTANT FLOWING SYSTEM.
SO A HUNDRED FEET PUTS US DIAGONALLY ACROSS ONE THIRD OF THE PROPERTY.
AND, UH, AS YOU, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE GRAPHICS, THE HOUSE WILL INTERFERE THAT, UH, INTO THE EXACTLY ONE FOURTH OF THE LOT.
UM, AND THEN THE, THE REAR YARD, UH, IN ORDER TO CREATE A SETBACK THAT IS REASONABLE WITH THE BACKYARD, WE HAVE TO EXCAVATE AND, UH, CREATE A COUPLE OF, UH, UH, UH, RETAINING WALLS, UH, TO HOLD BACK THE HIGHER, UH, SOAPS, WE DON'T HAVE TO CUT ANY TREES, UH, BUT OF COURSE WE ARE PLANTING, UM, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE SUGGESTING TO PLANTING, I BELIEVE SEVEN TREES AND A BUNCH OF SHRUBS, UM, ON THE PROPERTY.
WE ARE, WE'RE HANDLING THE STORMWATER, UH, UH, 25 YEAR STORMWATER.
SO ALL THE OTHER, ALL THE OTHER CRITERIA THAT ARE CRITICAL ARE BEING, ARE BEING HONORED.
BUT IT'S JUST THE AREA THAT WE DON'T HAVE 7,500.
AND AS I SAID, WE INHERITED THAT FROM THE, FROM THE DEEDED.
UM, AND THEN THE, THE MINIMUM FRONT, UH, WIDTH OF LOT AS AT THE SETBACK.
WELL, OF COURSE WE NEED THE VARIANCE.
WE, WE NEED YOUR, YOUR PERMISSION, YOUR BLESSING ON THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, AND WE NEED YOUR BLESSING ON THE, UH, WETLANDS, UH, UH, BUFFER, UH, INTRUSION PERMIT.
THERE'S, THERE'S QUITE, QUITE QUICKLY, UH, STATED THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
OKAY, AMELIA, UH, ONE QUESTION RIGHT AWAY.
I KNOW CLARAN CLARENDON ROAD HAS BEEN NOTORIOUS FOR FLOODING ISSUES OVER THE YEARS, UM, AND I'M CONCERNED VERY MUCH ABOUT RUNOFF FROM THE PROPERTY THERE.
UM, UH, WHAT MITIGATION ARE YOU TAKING TO ACTUALLY AT LEAST TO TRY TO REDUCE THE RUN RUNOFF OF POSSIBLE AND WELL, WE WERE, WE WERE CONSIDERING ON DOING A, PER A PERMEABLE
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DRIVEWAY SO THAT ANY, ANY, UH, ANY OUTFLOW FROM THE DRIVEWAY WOULD BE MINIMIZED.WE, UH, WE, WE WOULD BE CREATING A, UH, UH, AS I SAID, A PERMEABLE DRIVEWAY, LIKE, LIKE THE, LIKE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WAS DONE IN THE, UH, ON THE TOWN HALL IN THE PARKING AREAS WHERE, WHERE THE, THE, UH, THE GROUND REALLY ALLOWS, UH, FOR THE SUB BASE TO ABSORB THE MOISTURE THAT FALLS ONTO THE SURFACE.
UH, SO IT IN ITSELF, THE DRIVEWAY IS A STORAGE SYSTEM, UH, AND NOTHING, NOTHING COMES OFF OF IT.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER CRITERIA IS THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE A BROOK RIGHT NEXT TO US, SO BASICALLY WHATEVER EMANATES FROM THE GROUND, FROM THE, FROM OUR PROJECT WILL GO RIGHT INTO THE BROOK RIGHT AWAY.
YEAH, I THINK THAT BROOK MAY BE THE PROBLEM.
I DON'T, UH, WE, WE CHECK THE, UH, FLOODING MAPS.
UM, IF THAT'S, IF THAT, IF THAT SAYS ANYTHING IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE SHOULD LOOK FOR IN TERMS OF PLANNING, IT'S NOT IN THE 100 YEAR FLOODING PLANE.
SO, UM, YES, IT IS A LOW PORTION OF, OF THE AREA, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THE HOUSE IS ELEVATED, LIKE THE FIRST FLOOR IS FOUR FEET ABOVE THE, THE GRADE.
SO THAT, THAT IN ITSELF IS, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE HOUSE, WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, UH, THERE ARE OTHER HOMES ACROSS THE STREET THAT'S, I'M MORE WORRIED ABOUT THEM THAN, THAN YOUR HOUSE.
YOUR HOUSE IS UPHILL FROM THOSE HOUSES.
EMILIO, TWO, TWO COMMENTS THAT I HAVE.
ONE, UM, HAVE YOU DONE ANY PER, DO YOU KNOW THAT IF YOU PUT IN A PERMEABLE DRIVEWAY, IF IT WOULD ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, DRAIN THROUGH, UH, VERSUS RUN OFF THE WATER? THE WATER TABLE WAS AT, AT PLUS SIX, SO, UM, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THAT HIGH.
SO WE, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THE CULT TEXT IN THE, IN, YOU KNOW, 36 INCHES, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT WE NEED FOR THE CALEX.
SO AT, WE HIT WATER AT PLUS SIX, I DON'T THINK WE WILL, I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE A PROBLEM AT ALL.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IF YOU HAVE A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE ALLOWING MORE WATER, IT'LL INFILTRATE, BUT IT CAN'T, THEN IT'S GONNA RUN OFF AND YOU MIGHT RUN IT IN AN ENGINEERED SYSTEM VERSUS ONE OF THOSE GREEN PRACTICES.
NO, I DON'T THINK WE CHECKED THAT.
WE ARE AT PLUS SIX, I MEAN, MINUS SIX IN TERMS OF DEPTH OF WATER TABLE.
I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, I FEEL SAFE WITH IT.
I, I DON'T, THAT'S WHY WE KEPT THE GRADE OF THE BASEMENT HIGHER.
WE'RE ONLY GONNA DIG, UH, FOUR AND A HALF FEET AND WE'LL BE A FOOT AND A HALF HIGHER THAN THE WATER TABLE.
AND THAT WAS DUG AND WHEN WE, WHEN WE TESTED IT WAS IN THE SPRING, SO THE HIGH WATER TABLE WAS AT, AT ITS HIGHEST.
SO MAYBE WE GET, YOU KNOW, AN AVERAGE OF SEVEN, EIGHT FEET.
SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT AT ALL CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
DO YOU HAVE, UH, SORT OF CROSS SECTION THROUGH YOUR SITE WHERE YOU ARE? THERE IS, THERE IS ONE IN THE DRAWINGS.
I THINK, UH, DRAWING NUMBER FOUR, IT SHOWS YOU WHAT THE IMPACT IN THE BACK, UH, UH, UH, REPRESENTS.
UH, AARON, IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU ARE SMARTER THAN ME AND YOU CAN GET TO IT, I'M GONNA TRY, BUT, UH, BEAR WITH ME.
DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, PERT? YEAH, THE OTHER QUESTION IS THAT, UH, UH, YOU ARE REDUCING, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS ZONING FOR 20% FROM 7,500 SQUARE FEET TO 6,000 APPROXIMATELY.
AND, UH, IS IT, IS, IS THAT A KIND OF A COMMON, UH, REDUCTION THAT ALLOWED? I THINK THAT'S MORE QUESTION FOR AARON.
WHAT IS IT DOWN SORT OF, UH, CRITERIA FOR MAYBE DAVID? DEFINITELY.
AND I ASKED THE OWNER, AND WE CHECKED THE RECORD AND THE LEGAL, THE LEGAL PICTURE OF THIS IS QUITE SEVERE ABOUT STATING, UH, THIS IS A LOT.
UH, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG SOLD IT TO THE PUBLIC SAYING IT, IT'S EVEN A, A STATEMENT IN THE DEEDED THAT THIS IS A LOT.
AND, AND, AND I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PHRASE IT, UH, BE WITHOUT BEING ARROGANT, BUT IT KIND OF DETERMINES AND STATES THAT THE APPLICANT HAS THE RIGHT TO BUILD A HOUSE, AND IT, IT EVEN IMPLIES THE MINIMUM SIZE OF THE HOUSE HAS TO BE, SO ALL THESE, ALL THESE STATEMENTS ARE IN THE DEEDED.
I, I KNOW IT'S A LEGAL QUESTION, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I'M SURE THAT THE, UH, ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS HAS TO, HAS TO CONFRONT AND WE HAVE TO ANSWER.
UM, I, I'VE ASKED, I I'VE ASKED ALL KINDS OF, UH, LEGAL, UH, UH, UH, UH, OPINIONS, AND THEY WERE, THEY TOLD ME THAT THE WAY THIS DEEDED IS WRITTEN, UM, YES.
THAT YOU SHOULD, YOU SHOULD BE HONORED IN TERMS OF BEING GIVEN THE RIGHT TO BUILD IN A SUBSTANDARD LOT.
I, I, I THINK THAT DAVID, THAT DISCUSSION, I, I THINK IT'S
I DON'T THINK DAVID BE PLAY AS A, AS A LAWYER.
I CAN QUICKLY ANSWER, I CAN QUICKLY ANSWER THAT.
THAT'S AN ARGUMENT THAT, UH, HE'S GONNA HAVE TO MAKE
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IN FRONT OF THE, THE ZONING BOARD.THE ONLY THING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS IS THE PLANNING BOARD CAN OPINE BECAUSE IT'S A SUBDIVISION AND IT'S A VARIANCE THEY CAN GIVE PLUS POSITIVE, NEUTRAL, OR NEGATIVE.
THIS IS, THAT'S FOR ED LIBERMAN AND THE ZONING BOARD.
OH, UM, WHEN YOU SAID THE, THE TOWN SOLD YOU THE LOT, THE BOTH PIECES OR JUST THE
I'LL EXPLAIN THAT TO THE BOARD SEPARATELY.
THERE'S A, I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ISSUE FOR TONIGHT.
NO, IT'S REALLY, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
I WILL EXPLAIN THAT IT'S NOT OUR ISSUE.
THAT'S WHY I SAID IT, IT CAME TOGETHER.
MICHAEL, I HOPE YOU HAVE SOMETHING ON THE SITE TO TALK ABOUT.
UM, LOOK, I, I THINK, I THINK THE WATER COURSE IS NOT AN ISSUE.
AND THE REASON IT'S NOT IS BECAUSE THE WATERCOURSE IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR.
THERE'S REALLY NO IMPACT ON THE WATERCOURSE SECOND IN TERMS OF FLOODING.
UM, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I, I, I KNOW THIS SIDE.
I WAS THERE A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO.
IT'S A MESS, AND IT'S PRETTY STEEP.
UM, I'M GUESSING, AND I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M NO EXPERT, BUT I'M GUESSING AFTER IT'S DEVELOPED, AFTER IT'S LEVELED OFF, AFTER, YOU KNOW, THE CULT TEXT ARE PUT IN, THERE'LL BE MUCH LESS RUNOFF THAN THERE IS NOW, JUST BECAUSE IT'S COMPLETELY UNDEVELOPED AND FAIRLY STEEP.
MY ONLY QUESTION, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT KURT, YOU KNOW, ALLUDED TO IS, YOU KNOW, HOW WILL, HOW WILL THIS HOUSE ON THIS UNDERSIZED LOT, YOU KNOW, FIT IN WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? UM, YOU KNOW, UH, MAYBE, MAYBE YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT.
MAYBE YOU CAN SHOW US IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER LOTS THAT ARE UNDERSIZED.
MAYBE YOU COULD SHOW US WHAT THIS HOUSE WILL LOOK LIKE COMPARED TO OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I THINK THIS LOT SHOULD BE DEVELOPED.
MY PERSONAL OPINION, IT'S A MESS.
IT'S OVERGROWN WITH ALL KINDS OF KUDZU AND WOOD ZOO AND ZOO.
A PARKING LOT WOULD BE BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE THERE NOW.
BUT I THINK, I THINK TO HELP US WITH THE Z B A AND MAKING A RECOMMENDATION, I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW THIS PROJECT WOULD FIT IN WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SHAME ON ME THAT I SPENT, UH, TWO WEEKS DOING THE HOUSE, DESIGNING THE HOUSE, EVEN GOING TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND SEEKING A BUILDING PERMIT AND BEING TOLD THAT I CAN'T BECAUSE I DON'T MEET THE CRITERIA AND I DON'T HAVE A PICTURE TO SHOW YOU, BUT I, I CAN, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF, I MEAN FROM, FROM, UH, FROM MY REPUTATION IN TERMS OF WHAT, HOW I DESIGN IT IS TOTALLY FITTING IN TERMS OF GABLE TYPE OF, UH, OF STRUCTURE.
IT HAS A GARAGE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
IT'S A SIMPLE GABLE STRUCTURE WITH A COUPLE OF BAY WINDOWS.
IT'S VERY CHARMING AND IT CERTAINLY WILL FIT INTO THE PRO, INTO THE, INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
CERTAINLY MUCH MORE INTERESTING THAN THE HOUSE TO THE LEFT.
CERTAINLY MUCH MORE INTERESTING TO THE HOUSE ON THE BACK.
UM, IT IS, IT IS A MODERN BRAND NEW HOUSE WITH HORIZONTAL WOOD SIDING WITH, UH, IT'S ALRIGHT.
BUT, BUT, BUT YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA SHOW US.
I I YOU DON'T HAVE TO APOLOGIZE.
OKAY, EMILIO, TO JUST TO HELP, JUST TO HELP WITH THIS POINT.
I, I, AS THE SETBACKS SIDE YARD IN FRONT, WE MEET THE IN BACKYARD ARE ALL WITHIN CODE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO THE HOUSE ACTUALLY FITS A LOT AND WE STILL HAVEN'T, THAT'S ONE THING THAT, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT THAT IS COM.
I'M STILL SEEING THE RENDERINGS.
WELL, I, I THINK IN ADDITION, IN ADDITION TO THE RENDERINGS OR THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEVATIONS, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BOARD MEMBERS, BUT THE OTHER THING WOULD BE, ARE THERE OTHER UNDERSIZED LOTS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TOO.
WE JUST, WE JUST HAD AN APPLICATION LIKE THIS UP, UM, ON, ON UH, SOUTHWOOD PLACE AND THAT APPLICANT WAS ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT, HEY, THERE ARE OTHER LOTS THAT DON'T MEET THE LOT WIDTH.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THIS BOARD IN MAKING ITS RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD.
IT'S DEFINITELY GONNA BE HELPFUL TO THE ZONING BOARD.
WALTERS YOUR HAND STILL, AND, AND BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT YOU TALK ABOUT.
YOUR NEIGHBORS, UH, ON THE SIDE BECAUSE THEY'LL BE COMING OUT FOR YOUR VARIANCE.
NO, I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO ANYBODY.
I, IT, IT, IT COULD BE, I'M TELLING YOU THE THING IS CAR.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN ISSUES ON THAT STREET WITH FLOODING AND IT SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO THE RIGHT THING, IT'LL BE BETTER.
BUT JUST BE, JUST BE PREPARED.
'CAUSE I SUSPECT THERE WILL BE NEIGHBORS COMING OUT.
WELL THEN HAVE YOU TALKED TO ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS YET? NO.
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A LOT OF TIMES.UH, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYBODY.
NORMALLY THAT'S HOW IT HAPPENS.
PEOPLE ASK, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? AND WE, WE EXPLAIN, WE WE, BUT NO ONE HAS BEEN AROUND.
IT'S A VERY ISOLATED KIND OF CURVE.
NO ONE, NO ONE SHOWS UP EVERY TIME.
WHY ISN'T THERE A SIGN ON THE PROPERTY YET? WELL, IT NEEDS TO BE A SIGN ON THE PROPERTY.
FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
WE'LL, WE'LL, WE WILL HAVE TO KNOW.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
THOSE ARE CONSTRUCTION AND I JUST WANNA MAKE A CORRECTION.
YOU DON'T, YOU PUT UP THE SIGN WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU, UH, UH, GET ON, UM, WHEN YOU GET OFFICIAL FILING.
SO SIGN SHOULD BE THERE NOW, SO SIGN.
PURSUANT TO THE CODE, IT'S STILL JUST PRIOR TO PUBLIC HEARING, WE HAVEN'T, I DON'T BELIEVE, UNLESS THE ZONING BOARD HAS HAD THEM PUT A SIGN OUT THERE FOR THE ZONING BOARD, WHICH IDENTIFIES THAT THERE'S AN APPLICATION BEFORE THE TOWN.
THERE IS NOT, THERE IS NOT A SIGN OUT THERE RELATED TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT WHOLE SIGN THING AGAIN.
WE NEED TO, I BELIEVE THE NOT TONIGHT SIGN THERE FOR THE, FOR THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
ANY OTHER QUESTION? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TONIGHT? IT IS 10 0 2.
UM, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GONNA HAVE TO CONTINUE THIS, BUT ONE THING TONIGHT, IF, IF WE WANT TO, UH, DO, SHOULD WE DECLARE OUR INTENT TO BE LEAD AGENCY ON THIS PROJECT? I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION FOR THAT.
IF PEOPLE THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
I THINK, I THINK, UH, UH, WE SHOULD, CONSIDERING THIS IS A MORE DRIVEN BY ZONING VARIANCES RATHER THAN A, UH, PLANNING CONSIDERATION AS, UH, AS I THINK, UH, UH, AARON MENTIONED OR, OR, UH, WALTER MENTIONED THAT IT'S, UH, IT'S MOSTLY DRIVEN BY WHAT THE ZONING BOARD APPROVES OR NOT, BECAUSE OUR RECOMMENDATION ONE WAY OR OTHER IS NOT REALLY CRITICAL.
BUT THAT'S, I DON'T, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.
BUT AHEAD, I WOULD, WOULD SUGGEST THAT FROM A, FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT, I AGREE.
THE VARIANCE IS, IS, IS IS LARGE AND THE APPLICANT'S GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THEIR CASE TO THE ZONING BOARD.
BUT FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVE, FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE DRAINAGE AND THE STORM WATER, RIGHT.
THE FACT THAT IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THE WETLAND WATERCOURSE IS THAT MUCH OF AN ISSUE OR MAYBE EVEN A NON-ISSUE.
BUT I THINK THOSE THINGS CUMULATIVELY PLAY INTO THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE PLANNING BOARD'S REVIEW, TALKING ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULD TAKE IN.
I HAVE, I HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM MICHAEL.
DO I HEAR A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND FROM TOM.
IT PA IT PASSES AND SO WE'LL, AND IF THE LOOK, THE ZONING BOARD STILL HAS THE RIGHT TO PUSH BACK AND SAY, NO, WE WANNA BE LEAD AGENCY.
WE'RE JUST DECLARING OUR INTENT TO BE LEAD, LEAD AGENCY.
I HAVE COULD I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I, I REALLY THINK THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES ARE, WE ARE BETTER EQUIPPED, I THINK, TO HANDLE THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.
AND THEY ARE, WE DO IT ALL THE TIME.
AND, AND CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
IF THE ZONING BOARD FEELS THAT IT, IT, IT OBJECTS AND, AND WANTS TO TAKE ON THAT ROLE, THEY WILL NOTIFY US.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYBODY.
10 0 4 DESPITE WALTER GLOATING FOR HOURS THIS EVENING, ON AND ON.
IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE, WASN'T IT? AND JOHANN TRIED TO START THE MEETING SEVEN MINUTES LATE, JOHANN.
OTHER THAN THAT, UH, GOOD NIGHT.
THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO TELL EVERYBODY BEFORE YOU GO IS OUR, UM, ALTERNATE IS UP FOR A VOTE ON CONFIRMATION, UH, NEXT WEEK.
SHOULD WE DECIDE WHETHER WE WANNA RECOMMEND HER OR NOT? I DON'T KNOW.
SHE LEFT