[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL GREENBURGH TOWN HALL LEE F. JACKSON MEETING ROOM Agenda THURSDAY, March 24, 2022 – 6:30 P.M. ]
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LIZ HAS A TIME CONSTRAINT AND WE HERE FROM LIZ BECAUSE LIZ HAD, UM, BEEN WORKING WITH THE PLANNING DEPART ABOUT THE, UM, YEAH, PLANNING CONSERVATION DEPARTMENT ABOUT, AND WORKING ON A PROGRAM TO HAVE PEOPLE, UM, CONSIDER DOING ENVIRONMENTAL UPGRADES TO THEIR HOUSES.
AND THERE WAS A MEETING LAST WEEK AND LIZ, TAKE IT AWAY.
GEORGE HAD SAID HE'D DO THEM, SO WE'LL MAKE GEORGE DO THEM NEXT TIME.
AND, AND DONNA WANTS US TO, MADE A GOOD SUGGESTION.
WE NEED TO STRAIGHTEN OUT THE MINUTES TAKING, BUT, UM, I DID WANNA GIVE LIZ A CHANCE TO TALK SINCE I KNOW HER TIME IS LIMITED.
I I WILL MAKE IT SHORT AND SWEET.
UM, SO THE CAMPAIGN IS FOR CLEAN HEATING AND COOLING RUNNING UNTIL JUNE 1ST.
SO IN ORDER FOR THE TOWN TO EARN A $15,000 NON-MATCHING GRANT, WE NEED 10 PEOPLE TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE PROGRAM.
AND OF THE 10, SIX OF THEM HAVE TO BE ACTUAL INSTALLATION OF A HEATING AND COOLING OR HOT WATER THAT USES GEOTHERMAL OR HOT WATER OR, OR THE AIR PUMP.
UM, THE OTHER FOUR CAN JUST BE A HOME ENERGY ASSESSMENT OF YOUR HOUSE WHERE THEY COME AND TELL YOU WHERE YOUR PROBLEM AREAS ARE.
DO YOU NEED INSULATION, WOULD YOU BENEFIT FROM NEW WINDOWS? THAT SORT OF THING.
ANYWAY, UM, I JUST FOUND OUT THIS MORNING THAT AT THE MARCH 15TH WEBINAR, WHICH WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED, WE HAD 68 PEOPLE FROM THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, WHICH IS PHENOMENAL.
UM, NANCY WAS THERE, SO SHE CAN ALSO CHIME IN.
UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MISSED IT, UM, WE HAVE, IT WAS RECORDED.
RECORDED AND I WILL FORWARD THAT RECORDING TO EVERYONE.
IN ADDITION, UM, MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO BE HOLDING IN-PERSON EVENTS AT SOME OF THE GREENBERG NATURE CENTER, UM, EVENTS AROUND SPRING AND EARTH DAY.
I'M WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM ERIN ABOUT DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES WITH THE TOWN.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO SEND OUT E-BLASTS.
WE WILL POST THE MEETING, THE RECORDING OF THE MEETING ON THE WEBSITE.
AND I ALSO MET THIS MORNING WITH TASHA YOUNG, WHO IS VERY INVOLVED WITH THE COMMUNITY AND SHE'S HOPING TO BRING THIS TO FAIRVIEW AND NORTH ELMSFORD.
SO WE'RE A, AARON AND I ARE WORKING WITH HER AND COMMISSIONER JACKSON ON THAT PIECE.
ANY QUESTIONS OR NANCY WANNA ADD ANYTHING? NO.
SO WE HAD, DO WE KNOW IF WE HAVE ANYONE WHO'S ACTUALLY LIKE, MADE A REAL, UM, INQUIRY TO DO SOMETHING OR ARE THEY JUST LISTENING AT THIS POINT? UM, JUST LISTENING.
I ALSO, UM, JUST ASKED AARON YESTERDAY, SO HE HASN'T HAD A CHANCE TO GET BACK TO ME, OBVIOUSLY, UH, TO CHECK WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT BECAUSE ANYTHING IN THE PIPELINE THAT'S, THAT'S IN FOR INSPECTION AS OF JANUARY 1ST WOULD COUNT TOWARDS OUR TOTAL.
SO HE OBVIOUSLY NEEDS TIME TO DO THAT.
SO WE SHOULD SEE, SO TOO SOON TO KNOW.
ONE OF THE THINGS YOU COULD DO MAYBE IS THROUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO REACH OUT TO PEOPLE IF THEY'RE COMING IN.
UM, IF THEY COULD SOMEHOW LAYERS LIAISON OR PASS IT ON THAT THERE'S THIS OPPORTUNITY.
YEAH, BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T THINK ABOUT IT OR THEIR ARCHITECT DOESN'T THINK ABOUT IT.
AND IF THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING CONSTRUCTION ANYWAY, THEY SEEM LIKE PRIME, PRIME CANDIDATES FOR OH, I COULD CONSIDER THIS AS WELL AS, RIGHT.
I COULD CONSIDER X RATHER THAN Y SINCE I'M GONNA DO SOMETHING ANYWAY.
AND THIS CAMPAIGN IS ONLY FOR RENOVATION, NOT NEW CONSTRUCTION.
I WILL TALK TO ERIN ABOUT THAT.
AND FEEL FREE TO EMAIL TO YOUR OWN PERSONAL FRIEND LIST.
AND IF THERE'S A NEED, WE'LL DO ANOTHER SUSTAINABLE WESTCHESTER CAN DO ANOTHER WEBINAR.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT OR COMMENTS?
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OKAY.THANK YOU LIZ, FOR FITTING US IN.
LIZ HAS HAD A BUSY, BUSY MONTH AND SCHEDULE.
I'M LOOKING TO SEE IF WE HAVE ANYONE WAITING IN THE WINGS, BUT IT USUALLY COMES UP IF THERE'S SOMEONE WAITING AND I DON'T SEE ANYONE COMING UP THAT THEY'RE, 'CAUSE MATT WALKED AWAY AND HE LEFT ME, ME, UM, ABLE TO LET PEOPLE IN, BUT I DON'T SEE ANYONE WAITING IN THE WAITING ROOM.
LET ME JUST DOUBLE CHECK THAT.
WELL, WE WE'RE OKAY BECAUSE WE, BECAUSE ALFREDS, UH, CAN VOTE, UH, AND BE COUNTED.
I JUST DIDN'T WANT SOMEONE SITTING OUT THERE IN THE WAITING ROOM AND I WAS IGNORING THEM, MIKE.
UM, BUT USUALLY IT POPS UP AND SAYS THERE'S SOMEONE IN THE WAITING ROOM, SO I'M ASSUMING THIS ONE WORKS THE WAY ALL THE OTHER ONES DO.
IT DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANYONE WAITING.
WELL, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S AN ONGOING, UH, THING, BUT MAYBE BEFORE WE EVEN GO TO THAT, THERE'S BEEN A COMMENT KIND OF RUNNING COMMENTARY ON, UM, ROAD SALTING AND I WAS WONDERING, DO WE WANNA DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? I HAVE A FEELING THE TOWN IS TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE SALT, YOU KNOW, AND LIZ, YOUR COMMENT THAT YOU, THEY WERE USING SOLID SALT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD VERSUS SPRAYING.
NOT, NOT THE WHOLE WINTER SEASON, JUST I NOTICED THIS WEEK.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I THINK SOMETIMES WHAT THEY DO DEPENDS ON WHAT'S COMING DOWN, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF IT'S SNOW, I THINK AS I SAID IN THE EMAIL, WHEN IT'S SNOW THEY SEEM TO PLOW AND THEN PUT, PUT THE HARD SALT DOWN.
WHEREAS IF IT'S AN ICE STORM COMING IN, THEY SEEM TO DO THE SPRAYING.
BUT THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF SALT LEFT ON THE ROADS THIS YEAR.
I THINK THEY JUST HAD A LOT OF ICE SITUATIONS, WHICH I THINK THEY SAW MORE FOR THE ICE THAN THEY DO FOR THE SNOW.
WE HAD A LOT OF SALT IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSE.
YEAH, I DID TWO, BUT I THINK IT'S BECAUSE WE HAD LIKE THREE STORMS IN A ROW THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT ICE BECAUSE THE SNOW USUALLY JUST GETS SLUSHY AND THEN THEN MELTS AND THEY GET PRETTY FAR DOWN TO THE PAVEMENT WHEN THEY PLOW WITH THE SNOW.
I'VE NOTICED THERE ISN'T TOO MUCH LEFT WHEN THEY GET DONE IN YOUR DRIVEWAY.
LIZ, I, I WOULD BE CURIOUS WHAT THE POLICY IS.
I AM CURIOUS TO HEAR, HEAR WHAT THE TOWN, DO YOU WANNA CALL D P W AND REPORT BACK? SURE, I WILL DO THAT.
DO YOU KNOW WHO THE, DO YOU KNOW WHO THE COMMISSIONER IS? HOW DID GET IN TOUCH WITH THE COMMISSIONER IS? NOPE.
IF O I'LL SEE, SEND YOU AN EMAIL WITH HIS, UH, TELEPHONE NUMBER.
UH, HE'S A, HE'S VERY, VERY GOOD GUY.
CAN I GET YOU SOME SOUP? OKAY.
SO I GUESS THE LAST TIME WE KIND OF LEFT OFF, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IS ELWOOD AND UH, WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING AND WE DID WITH THE TOWN BOARD WHO WERE VERY GRACIOUS CLOSE.
SO IS SOMEONE TRYING TO GET IN OR SOMEONE THAT WAS HIS NOISE, I GUESS I DON'T SEE ANYTHING HERE ABOUT ANYONE WAITING TO GET IN.
IF THEY'RE WAITING TO GET IN, THEY CAN'T MAKE ANY NOISE.
THAT'S, UH, IT SOUNDED LIKE, SO SORRY.
I THINK THAT WAS, IT WAS JUST BACKGROUND ON IN.
I THINK IT WAS NANCY'S HOUSE, THAT'S ALL.
SO ANYWAY, MIKE, UM, MARGARET AND I DID MEET WITH THE TOWN BOARD AND THEY WERE VERY RESPECTFUL AND INTERESTED IN WHAT WE HAD PRODUCED.
WE HAD A NICE DIALOGUE WITH THEM AND, UM, I THINK THAT WHAT WE PRODUCE RAISED SOME ISSUES AND QUESTIONS AND THOUGHTS AND FOR THEM AND I THINK THAT IT WAS A, A GOOD EFFORT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE OUTCOME WILL BE EVENTUALLY WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT TO SEE.
UM, BUT ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL THINGS YOU WANNA MENTION, MIKE? NO, I, I THINK IT WAS A MARVELOUS JOB THIS GROUP DID AND UH, AND I THINK IT'S BEING, THE ISSUES ARE BEING TAKEN SERIOUSLY BY, UH, THE TOWN BOARD.
I HAVEN'T DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY SENSE OF WHAT'LL, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW THE, HOW THE TOWN BOARD WILL, UH, UM,
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UH, YOU KNOW, GO ON ANY OF THOSE ISSUES THOUGH THEY CERTAINLY ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, UH, THE TAX ISSUE AND, UM, UH, UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE DENSITY ISSUE.UH, THERE'S CER CERTAINLY A COMMUNITY, UM, UM, IT'S CALLED A PUSH, BUT CERTAINLY A COMMUNITY RECEPTIVITY TO HAVING AFFORDABLE H AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
BUT, UH, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OR HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S ALL BEING DEBATED.
UM, BUT THERE WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE HAD SOME IMPACT, AT LEAST IN THE ANALYSIS.
WHAT'S GOING ON? I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THE DEGREE THAT WILL HAVE IMPACT IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, THE FINAL RESOLUTION.
UH, I GUESS THE PLANNING BOARD IS GONNA DO THEIR FINDINGS, UM, THE FIRST WEEK IN APRIL.
I GUESS IT'D BE APRIL, UH, UM, APRIL 6TH AND, OR, OR MAYBE IT'S APRIL, I, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IT'S APRIL 4TH.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT WHEN THE MEETING, BUT SOMEHOW THAT FIRST WEEK, APRIL, APRIL 6TH, IT'S, IT'S, WHAT IS IT? APRIL 6TH AND WHEN'S THE WHEN'S AND THEN WHEN AND THEN WHEN'S THE NEXT, THE, UH, TOWN BOARDS GONNA DO IT? MATT TOWN BOARD, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT.
UM, I, WELL THE, UH, THE, THE COMMENT PERIOD ENDS APRIL 8TH, SO I'LL FINALIZE SOMETIME AFTER THAT, LIKE THE 12TH OR THE 13TH, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S JUST AN EDUCATED GUESS.
WELL THAT WOULD, THAT MAKES SENSE.
THAT'S THE FIRST, THE FIRST MEETINGS AFTER THE COMMENT PERIOD.
SO THE COMMENT PERIOD ENDS ON THE EIGHTH AND, OKAY, SO THAT'S IT.
AND NOW MATT MAY HAVE INFORMATION THAT TERRY AND I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING YOU, YOU HAVE MATT THAT, UH, YOU
UM, WE'VE BEEN, WE AS A STAFF HAVE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH, UH, THE BOARD AND TRYING TO CAPTURE ALL THEIR COMMENTS AND CONCERNS IN THE FINDINGS.
UM, YOU HAD SAID IT'LL, IT'LL BE FINALIZED, IT'LL BE DISCUSSED AND FINALIZED ON, UH, APRIL 6TH.
UM, I HAVE, I HAVEN'T, SORRY, MY DOG IS OUT.
UH, I HAVEN'T HEARD, UM, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT ANY OTHER, UH, DEPARTMENTS FIND ANY, LIKE THE ON BOARD FINDINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT OR WHERE THEY'RE AT WITH THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS, I THINK WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT, WHICH DOESN'T SEEM UNREASONABLE, IS THAT IF, UM, THEY CHANGE THE RULING ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AFFORD TO APPLY TO PUDS AND SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS, IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE AND REASONABLE I THINK, UM, THAT THEY MIGHT GIVE US SOME SORT OF, UM, DENSITY BONUS TO THE DEVELOPER.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING, WELL, WE'D HATE TO SEE A REALLY BIG DENSITY BUMP.
I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE WIGGLE ROOM THERE BECAUSE YOU'RE ASKING, UM, REALLY TO PUT MORE UNITS IN AND, UM, IT'S, IT'S, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? IT'S, IT'S HOW, HOW DO YOU GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND, YOU KNOW, STILL KEEP THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT LOOKING GOOD AND FIND, FIND THE POINT WHERE IT MEETS ALL THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS, NEEDS FOR TAXES BECAUSE, UM, OBVIOUSLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOESN'T GENERATE THE TAX REVENUE THAT, UM, THE, THE SITES COULD, WHETHER THEY'RE TOWNHOUSES OR, OR, UM, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NOT GONNA GENERATE THE TAXES.
BUT, SO YOU HAVE TO FIND THE, THE RIGHT POINT ON ALL OF THIS WHERE IT, YOU KNOW, YOU, IT'S A BALANCING ACT.
SO HOPEFULLY IT'LL WORK WELL IN, IN OTHER WORDS, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UM, I THINK THE AMOUNT, I COULD BE WRONG, I THINK THE AMOUNT THAT, THAT YOU CHARGE FOR, UH, THE SALES PRICE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS $265,000.
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AND SO, AND, AND I'M NOT POSITIVE ABOUT WHAT I'M JUST ABOUT TO SAY, BUT I THINK THE TAXES THAT CAN BE ASSESSED ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS SET SOMEHOW BY THE STATE.I'M NOT ACTUALLY POSITIVE ABOUT THAT.
IT'S EITHER SET BY THE STATE, UH, UN UNDER SOME SPECIAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING REGIME OF TAXATION, OR EVEN IF IT'S SET BY THE MUNICIPALITY, IT WOULD BE A 2 65 WOULD BE THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY AS OPPOSED TO, LIKE IN ELMWOOD, UM, THE, THE TOWNHOUSES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE 740,000 AND, AND IF THEY DID, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ON OUR THIRTIES, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE 1.2 TO 1.4 MILLION.
UH, SO SINCE OBVIOUSLY THIS, THE, THE, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS WILL RECEIVE THE SAME SERVICES, UH, AS THE NON AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.
THAT IS THE SAME SERVICES IN TERMS OF, UM, EDUCATION FOR CHILDREN, IN TERMS OF FIRE PROTECTION, IN TERMS OF, UH, POLICE PROTECTION, IN TERMS OF, UH, WATER, SEWAGE, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING ELSE.
UM, UH, THE COST OF UH, AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO THE MUNICIPALITY IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THE COST OF, UH, UH, UH, UH, A, A A MARKET RATE UNIT, UH, A TOWNHOUSE THAT SELLS FOR SEVEN SEVEN 40,000 OR A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE TO SELL 1.2 1.4 MILLION.
SO SOMEONE HAS TO MAKE UP THE, THE DIFFERENTIAL OF, UM, OF INCOME NEEDED TO, TO PAY FOR, UM, UM, UH, THE SERVICES.
UM, AND THAT'S MADE UP BY EVERYONE ELSE.
SO THAT'S WHAT I THINK TERRY WAS REFERRING TO, UH, IN TALKING ABOUT THE TAX IMPACT.
SO 'CAUSE KNOW IT'S ALL THE OTHER RE IT'S NOT JUST THE PEOPLE IN ELM.
'CAUSE I ASKED THE QUESTION, IT'S NOT JUST THE PEOPLE IN ELMWOOD THAT MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE IN TAXES, IT'S THE EVERYONE THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
SO, UH, UH, DONNA THAT LIVES IN HARTSDALE AND NANCY LIVES IN UH, UM, EDGEMONT, UH, MAKE, MAKE UP THE TAXES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT, UH, AT ELMWOOD.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THAT IS, BUT IT'S, IT'S THE, THE MORE THERE IS IN THE TOWN, THE MORE IT HAS TO BE MADE UP.
SO MIKE, YOU HAVE ANYTHING MORE ON THE EXCESS FOOD LAW YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT AT ALL? UH, SURE I DID I MENTION THAT I HAD, UM, TESTIFIED IN FRONT OF THE CONNECTICUT LEGISLATURE.
I DON'T REMEMBER IF I TE MENTIONED THAT OR NOT.
I'M SORRY, MIKE, MIKE, BEFORE YOU GO ON, I JUST, I'M GONNA SEND TO EVERYONE I THINK I HAD MENTIONED WE WORKED ON A PROJECT IN RYE BROOK, UM, THAT HAS A MIXTURE OF, I THINK IT'S SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, I BELIEVE IT'S TOWNHOUSES AND IT DEFINITELY ALSO HAD AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT.
AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, IT'S IN RYE BROOK.
SO THE HOMES WERE ARE NOT INEXPENSIVE, BUT I'M JUST LOOKING UP AND I'M GONNA SEND TO EVERYONE THE BROCHURE THAT WAS SENT AROUND FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PART.
SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THEY'RE SAYING THE SALE PRICE WAS, THEY ALSO INCLUDE THE H O A FEES AND THE MONTHLY TAXES.
WHAT DID, UH, WHAT WERE, WHAT WERE THE SALES PRICES, DONNA? THAT'S GOOD.
A BEDROOM TOWN HOME WAS 200,000 AND A THREE BEDROOM TOWN HOME WAS 235,000.
DO YOU HAVE THE BROCHURE FOR THE, FOR THE MARKET RATE ONES TO COMPARE? UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS A BROCHURE, BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY WEBSITES SO I CAN, UM, I'LL SEND YOU WHATEVER I CAN FIND IN AN EMAIL, BUT, BUT OBVIOUSLY A TWO OR THREE BEDROOM IN, IN RYE BROOK THERE'S NOT $200,000 IS NOT THE NORMAL SALES PRICE.
UH, AND UH, NO, THAT'D BE SUPER INTERESTING.
YES, LIZ, I THINK LIZ QUESTION I SAID ALSO HAD A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT ELMWOOD.
SORRY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DID BEFORE TO KNOCK MYSELF OFF, BUT, UM, YOU'RE BACK
SO ELMWOOD AND UH, GREEN COOLING AND HEATING IS THERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE KNOW IF THEY HAVE A COMMITMENT FROM CON ED SAYING THAT THEY CAN EXTEND THE GAS TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
'CAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE PERSON WHO HANDLES NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS FOR SUSTAINABLE WESTCHESTER IS THAT THEY ARE, BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF THE PROPERTY THAT CURRENTLY HAS GAS, THEY ARE NOT GUARANTEED.
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OF DOES HAVE THE MORATORIUM.SO THERE COULD BE A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THIS A DEVELOPMENT THAT USES A COMMUNITY GEOTHERMAL.
AND THAT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S TOWNHOUSES OR SINGLE FAMILY.
AND THERE IS UM, SOMEONE AT SUSTAINABLE WESTCHESTER WHO CAN GUIDE THEM THROUGH IT.
THEY JUST COMPLETED A WHOLE PROJECT IN SOMMERS WHERE THEY INSTALLED, SET IT UP THAT WAY.
AND COMMUNITY MAY SOUND A LITTLE LIKE, OH WELL WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? BUT IT'S NO DIFFERENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT'S, I THINK THERE IS ISSUE FACING, WHICH IS ONE IS FOR A ZONING CHANGE TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO MAKE THE PROPERTY COME ALL R 20 AND FOR P U D ON THAT.
SO THERE REALLY ISN'T A, A SITE PLAN APPROVAL INVOLVED.
AND ONCE YOU GET THE, THEY START TO TALK ABOUT REALLY DEVELOPING IT, THAT'S THE POINT WHERE WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING I THINK ABSOLUTELY SHOULD BE THOUGHT ABOUT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY I GUESS.
BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.
IS THIS TOO SOON? AND AT THE SAME TIME, I DID HEAR AT SOME POINT THAT THEY WOULD BE PUTTING DOWN THE ROADS AND I DON'T KNOW AT WHAT POINT THEY WOULD DO ANY SORT OF UNDERGROUND IF THAT HAS AN IMPACT ON WHEN YOU, SO I DON'T KNOW.
I'M NOT AN EXPERT GONNA SAY THEY'RE PUTTING THE GAS LINES UNDER THE ROAD THEN YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT.
'CAUSE THE GAS LINES USUALLY GO UNDERNEATH.
MATT, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THAT? THEY WON'T BE DOING ANY KIND OF ROAD CONSTRUCTION OR ROAD BREAD PEPPER PREPARATION UNTIL THE TOWN BOARD ISSUES ITS FINDINGS AND GIVES A PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE AT THE ABSOLUTE EARLIEST BECAUSE THE DIFFERENCE IN TREAT LAYOUT FROM THE 1 75 UNIT TOWN HOME, THE 1 59 UNIT TOWN HOME AND LIKE THE ONE 13 SINGLE FAMILY HOME VASTLY DIFFERENT.
AND EXCEPT FOR THE ENTRANCE AND THE EXIT, IT'S COMPLETELY LIKE THE LINES JUST DON'T CROSS OVER EACH OTHER.
UH, SO IT HAS TO WAIT UNTIL THAT AT THE VERY, VERY EARLIEST.
UM, AND THEN IF IT IS SORRY TO HEAR WHINING.
I'M GONNA JUMP OFF 'CAUSE I'M HEADING INSIDE.
AND I'LL SEE YOU GUYS IN TWO WEEKS.
BUT MATT, THE ISSUE BECOMES IF YOU'RE PUTTING IN GAS LINES, DON'T THEY GO IN BEFORE YOU PUT THE ROAD IN? UH, LOGICALLY SPEAKING, THAT MAKES SENSE.
I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT AN EXPERT.
I MEAN, I KNEW, I KNOW I LIVE IN AN OLD COMMUNITY, SO I KNOW MY GAS LINE IS UNDERNEATH THE STREET.
WHEN WE DO NEW DEVELOPMENT, ARE WE PUTTING THE GAS LINE STILL UNDER THE STREET? I THINK THAT'S HOW, UH, THEY'RE USUALLY PLANNED FOR IN DEVELOPMENT WITH, UH, WITH NEW ROADS.
I THINK THAT'S, UH, WHAT I RECALL SEEING.
BUT I'D IMAGINE IT VARIES WITH EACH DEVELOPMENT.
I'VE SEEN SOME WHERE THEY, IT GOES OFF THE ROAD BECAUSE IT'S A SHORTER ACCESS TO WHERE THE LINE IS.
DONNA, DO YOU HAVE ANY INPUT ON THAT? LIKE WHAT THEY'RE DOING? BECAUSE IT WOULD SEEM THAT ONCE THE ROAD, IF THEY'RE GONNA PUT IT UNDER THE ROAD, THEN THE DECISION IS MADE.
WELL I TYPICALLY WITH A SUBDIVISION, YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING IN ALL THE STREET IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THAT WOULD NOT ONLY INCLUDE THE ROAD AND THE COMMUNAL, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC UTILITIES INCLUDING GAS, ELECTRIC, STREETLIGHTS, DRAINAGE, ALL OF THAT SHOULD GO IN AND THEN THEY'LL STUB OUT FOR WHERE THEY THINK THE LOTS WILL BE.
SO IT MAY NOT, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE UNDER THE ROAD.
IT COULD BE ALONGSIDE THE ROAD, BUT IT WOULD GO IN, UH, WHAT DID YOU, I'M NOT SURE THERE'S A WORD I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, DONNA.
YOU SAID THEY'LL PUT IT IN AND THEN THEY'LL, THEY'LL SUB OUT OR YOU SAID SOME STUB OUT MIKE.
THEY'LL CREATE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE LINES THAT COME OFF THE MAIN SO THAT WHEN A HOUSE IS BUILT, THERE'S ALREADY A CONNECTION FOR THEM TO CONNECT TO.
OKAY, SO THEN MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE BROUGHT UP.
HOW ARE THEY PLANNING TO DO THE,
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UH, THE HEATING? THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BE, UH, DEFINITELY DISCUSSED, UH, BY THE PLANNING BOARD, WHETHER IT'S FOR THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS OR FOR THE SITE PLAN PROCESS, THE PLANNING OF THAT? WELL, WELL THEY HAVE TO GO BEFORE THEY GET THE, IF THEY GET THE APPROVAL NOW, WILL THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO DO THE ROAD LAYOUT OR WILL THEY, WILL THEY, COULD THEY GO AHEAD WITH IT? SO AFTER THE TOWN BOARD ISSUES A SECRET DETERMINATION, THEY, THERE'S STILL THE, UM, STILL THE REZONING ASPECTS WHICH THE TOWN BOARD HAS TO DECIDE ON.AND THERE'S GONNA BE LIKE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THAT.
UM, ONCE THEY DECIDE ON THAT, THE PLANNING BOARD WILL GET A LOOK AT IT REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY CHOOSE.
BECAUSE SITE PLAN GO FOR THE PLANNING BOARD AND SUBDIVISIONS GO FOR THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD WILL GET TO OPINE ON THE ROAD LAYOUT AND UM, HE AND UTILITIES ACCESS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE OR WHICHEVER DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS UH, CHOSEN.
MATT, MATT, LET US SEE YOUR DOG.
HE LOOKS CUTE, BUT LET'S SEE YOUR DOGGY.
SHE'S ONE YEAR AND ONE MONTH OLD.
AND SHE'S BE FEELING VERY NEGLECTED BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH I'VE PLAYED WITH HER ALL DAY, I'M NOT PLAYING WITH HER AT THIS VERY MOMENT.
WELL THAT'S THE WAY LITTLE CHILDREN ARE.
UH, UM, SO SO YOU, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS AT FIRST THERE'S A SECRET DETERMINATION.
SO THE, THE BOARD WILL ISSUE ITS FINDING, RIGHT? AND THEN THERE'S A DETERMINATION THEY MAKE THAT'S SEPARATE, THAT THAT'S BASED ON THE FINDINGS.
SO HOW I UNDERSTAND IT IS THE TO BOARD WILL ISSUE ITS FINDING STATEMENT.
AND IN THAT FINDING STATEMENT THEY SHOULD AT LEAST, UM, PICK A PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE.
UM, LET'S SAY THEY PICK A PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE THAT UH, INVOLVES, YOU KNOW, REZONING FROM THE R 30 TO THE R 20.
THERE WILL BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING AT LEAST ONE MORE, POTENTIALLY MORE, UH, ON THAT REZONING ITSELF BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD BOARD, UH, ISSUES A DECISION ON THAT
NOW THE, UM, UM, IS IT THE PLANNING BOARD OR THE TOWN BOARD THAT WOULD DO THE SITE PLAN AND THE SUBDIVISION BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY? IF, UH, THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE IS A, IT WOULD BE THE, UH, IT WOULD BE THE PLANNING BOARD WHO WOULD'VE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
AND IF THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE IS, UH, ONE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISIONS, THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD HAVE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, BUT SITE PLAN, UH, WOULD REST WITH TOWN BOARD.
AND WOULD THE ROADS GO IN BEFORE ANY OF THAT WAS DONE? MY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE ROADS COULDN'T BE BUILT PERIOD ON A APPROVAL, WHETHER IT'S FOR THE P OR FOR THE SUBDIVISION IS UH, IN HAND BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO DO A LOT OF SLOPE TO DISTURBS.
THEY HAVE TO DO A LOT OF DISTURB JUST TO BUILD THE ROADS OF ANY HELP AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
WE COULD GO THROUGH, UH, WE COULD ADDRESS THE ENERGY SOURCE.
YES, DEFINITELY HAVE UH, MORE TIME TO UH, YOU KNOW, ISSUE OPINIONS ON THE, AND RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE HEATING SOURCE AND UH, OTHER FACTORS.
THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW BECAUSE I THINK, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WORTH PURSUING THAT'S CERTAINLY, UM, WHETHER THEY GO, WHICHEVER CHOICE THEY MAKE, THERE'S CERTAINLY ENOUGH PROPERTY THAT WOULD LEND ITSELF TO LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE TYPES OF HEATING.
MATTER HOW GOOD GREENBERG, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A3 HOMES ONTO THAT UH, SUSTAINABLE WESTCHESTER PROGRAM THAT LOOKED FANTASTIC.
WELL I JUST THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GEOTHERMAL OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I THINK HAS COME UP, LIKE WE,
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I THINK MIKE ENCOUNTERED THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU UM, HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF THE FOUNDATION AND WHATNOT, BUT SINCE ALL OF THE SURROUNDING LOTS ARE, OR THIRTIES PRETTY MUCH THERE, THE HOUSES PRESUMABLY ARE NOT GONNA BE TOO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER, YOU KNOW, WAY THE LAYOUT WAS, THEY SEEMED TO BE, UM, NOT DEPTH BUT RATHER WIDTH ON THE LOTS, WHICH HELPS SO WELL.WELL MICHELLE HAS, UM, A RELATIVE, THERE'S A DEVELOPER IN FRANCE AND WHAT HE DOES IS HE PUTS THE GEOTHERMAL IN FIRST BEFORE ANY OF THE STRUCTURES ARE BUILT.
AND THEREFORE YOU DON'T HAVE THE PROBLEM THAT WE RAN INTO OF HAVING AN EXISTING STRUCTURE, WHICH THEY SAID, UM, IF THEY DID THE DRILLING FOR THE DEAL THERMAL, IT COULD DAMAGE THE, UM, IT COULD DAMAGE THE FOUNDATION.
SO THE WAY TO DO IT IS TO, ONCE IT'S FINALLY DECIDED, WHAT'S GONNA BE THERE IS TO PUT THE GEOTHERMAL IN FIRST BEFORE ANY STRUCTURE IS BUILT AND THEN YOU DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM.
SEEMS LOGICAL AND COULD BE VERY NICE FOR THE PEOPLE THERE RATHER, RATHER EFFICIENT AND INEXPENSIVE.
I WONDER WHAT THE PAYBACK IS ON GEOTHERMAL IN TERMS OF UM, IF YOU PUT GEOTHERMAL IN VERSUS USING, UH, GAS SINCE THAT'S THE PRIMARY SOURCE AROUND HERE.
SO BE INTERESTING TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT IT WOULD BE.
'CAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE STARTING OUT AND THERE'S NOTHING, THE PAYBACK COMES A LOT QUICKER BECAUSE THERE'S NO TAKING OUT ANYTHING.
YOU'RE JUST PUTTING IT IN FROM THE GET GO.
ALSO, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU PROJECT THE PRICE OF THE, OF THE NON GEOTHERMAL ENERGY SOURCE TO BE.
YEAH, WELL I THINK IN THIS AREA WE CAN ASSUME IT'S GONNA BE HIGH FOR A VERY LONG TIME, I WOULD THINK.
UM, DEPENDS IF YOU DO RADIANT OR BLOWING BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO THE DUCT WORK, SO.
YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT THAT FRANCIS SHEEN MIGHT JOIN US TONIGHT, BUT I THINK IF HE HASN'T JOINED US BY NOW, HE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FIT US IN.
I THINK HE SAID SIX 50 WE'RE AFTER SEVEN O'CLOCK.
UM, WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ANYONE WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT? IF NOT, I WANNA GO TO DONNA'S PROPOSAL, WHICH IS SORT OF INTERESTING.
DONNA MADE A COMMENT, WHICH I THINK IS, IS WELL TAKEN, IS, UM, WE NEED TO GET A PROCEDURE IN PLACE FOR MINUTE TAKING.
UM, HISTORICALLY WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE EVERYONE JOIN AT ONE TIME, IT WAS LIKE THE LAST PERSON IN TOOK THE MINUTES.
UM, WHICH SOMETIMES WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE TURNOVER IT WAS PRETTY, A PRETTY LONG TIME.
I THINK IN THE CASE OF DONNA IT WAS, IT WAS LIKE, AND THEN, THEN FINALLY WE HAD, UM, PETER JOIN US AND PETER WAS DOING THE MINUTES.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY GET INTO A STRUCTURE AND IT'S IRONIC BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE TWO OF THE NEW MEMBERS HERE TONIGHT AND THERE'S REALLY FIVE OF YOU.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO SORT OF GET INTO A ROTATING SCHEDULE.
NANCY HAS, HAS VOLUNTEERED TONIGHT.
SO NANCY, NANCY HAS FULFILLED HER OBLIGATION.
SHE'S THEORETICALLY ON FOR THE NEXT FIVE WEEKS OR FIVE MEETINGS.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE'LL BE, LET'S TRY AND SEE IF WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY AND ROTATE IT THROUGH THE NEW MEMBERS BECAUSE I THINK, UH, IT'S ONLY FAIR THAT EVERYONE PICK UP A LITTLE BIT OF THIS, UM, WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE AND IT HAS TO BE DONE AND, AND KEEP A RECORD.
THE MINUTES DON'T HAVE TO BE TERRIBLY EXTENSIVE, BUT THEY DO HAVE TO REFLECT WHAT TOOK PLACE IN THE MEETING.
SO IF NO ONE HAS ANYTHING ELSE, I THINK WE'VE COVERED EVERYTHING FOR THIS EVENING.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANNA DISCUSS? WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION.
HOW ABOUT ALL THESE ITEMS IN NUMBER FIVE, THE FOUR CORNERS PROPOSAL, THEY KEEP RECURRING, THEY KEEP COMING BACK, WHAT ARE THEY AND UH, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO BE ALL THESE, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT ARE THERE? OKAY, SO, SO EASY PLANS AND ALL THAT.
I MEAN, THEY KEEP COMING BACK EVERY EVERY MEETING.
ARE THEY EVER GOING TO BE DISCUSSED OR GOTTEN GOOD QUE GOOD QUESTION.
ONE OF THE REASONS WE PUT THINGS THERE IS SO THAT WE DON'T FORGET ABOUT THEM AND THE OH, OKAY.
SOME OF THEM SHOULD BE, SHOULD EITHER BE, WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT OR TAKE THEM OFF FOUR CORNER'S.
PROPOSAL IS THERE JUST SO WE DON'T FORGET ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S SORT OF, WE HAD A LOT OF PLAY AND THEN
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IT REALLY IS DEPENDENT ON THE STATE COMING BACK.WE PROBABLY ALMOST, WELL THAT'S A GOOD WAY, WHY DON'T WE GO THROUGH TONIGHT AND DECIDE WHICH ONES WE WANNA LEAVE AND WHICH ONES WE WANNA TAKE OFF.
BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A FAIR, UM, COMMENT.
I ALMOST THINK WE CAN TAKE OFF BECAUSE NOTHING IS HAPPENING AND UNTIL THE STATE COMES UP WITH A PLAN AND WHEN THEY DO, I'M SURE WE'LL HEAR ABOUT IT.
LET, LET'S ASK MATT, 'CAUSE IT MAY BE SOMETHING COMING UP THAT'S COME WE WOULD FIND OUT ABOUT NEXT WEEK.
UH, UH, MATT, DO YOU KNOW OF, UH, ANYTHING HAPPENING ON FOUR CORNERS? NO, IT, IT HAS NOT COME UP IN ANY, UH, DISCUSSIONS THAT I'VE HAD WITH GARRETT.
UM, YEAH, IT, IT, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT IN A LONG TIME, SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT'S AT OR IF IT'S WAITING FOR SOMETHING OR IF IT'S JUST KIND OF STALLED.
I MEAN, SOMEDAY THERE'LL BE THERE, BUT I, GOSH, IT'S PROBABLY BEEN OVER A YEAR, RIGHT JERRY? SINCE WE'VE HEARD ANYTHING OR LONGER.
YEAH, THERE WAS ALFRED, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL MADE AND A STUDY MADE, AND ONE OF THE ISSUES THERE IS FLOODING AND THERE ARE SOME REAL ISSUES IN TERMS OF EVEN WHEN IT DOESN'T FLOOD, THE WATER LEVEL IS SO HIGH AT THAT POINT SO THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DEVELOPING IT, THERE'S A PROBLEM.
FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU WANTED TO PUT APARTMENT HOUSES, NORMALLY YOU PUT THE PARKING IN THE BASEMENT, THE WATER LEVEL IS SO HIGH THAT YOU REALLY CAN'T DO THAT.
UM, SO IT'S JUST SORT OF STALLED.
'CAUSE I GUESS THE HOPE IS THAT THE STATE WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE DRAINAGE ISSUE AND PART OF THE DRAINAGE ISSUE THERE, AND MATT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THERE IS A PIPE THAT RUNS FROM CENTRAL AVENUE AND BACK AT EAST DALE AVENUE DOWN TO THE BRONX RIVER, AND THE PIPE PROBABLY COULD BE SIZED LARGER THAN IT IS.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING, AND MATT, IF YOU KNOW OTHERWISE, OR IF I'M TELLING AN URBAN LEGEND, LET ME KNOW.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT PARTS OF THE PIPE ACTUALLY RUN UNDERNEATH SOME OF THE APARTMENT HOUSES.
SO IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO, IT'S NOT AN EASY JOB TO START TO RESIZE THIS PIPE.
I SUSPECT THEY'D HAVE TO RUN A PARALLEL PIPE.
SO THERE'S SOME REAL, LIKE ISSUES THAT AREN'T ONES THAT ARE NECESSARILY IN THE TOWN'S CONTROL TO FIX ON THIS ONE.
I HAVEN'T HEARD OF THAT, ALTHOUGH THAT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE.
BUT I HAVE HEARD, I'VE ACTUALLY SAW, SEEN A PICTURE, THE PIPES ARE JUST ABSOLUTELY CHOCK FULL OF SEDIMENT AND DEBRIS AND JUST COM ALMOST COMPLETELY BLOCKED UP.
LIKE WELL OVER LIKE 80% JUST BLOCKED.
AND DIGGING THAT OUT IS, UH, VERY EXPENSIVE, VERY TIME CONVINCING TASK THAT I BELIEVE IT'S ACTUALLY THE STATE'S RESPONSIBILITY, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE THE FUNDING OR THE TIME TO DO IT.
BUT I DON'T THINK THE TOWN HAS THE FUNDING TO, OR THE TIME TO GET.
SO THE STATE, I ACTUALLY RECALL IT, GARRETT SAID THE STATE SAID THAT THEY, A VACUUM TRUCK OF SOME KIND MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO IT.
BUT LOOKING AT IT, IT, I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN DO IT OTHER THAN WITH, YOU KNOW, WORKERS WITH SHOVELS AND DOING LIKE A BUCKET GANG KIND OF THING.
THERE'S JUST SO MUCH STUFF IN THERE AND IT LOOKS SO HARD FROM JUST YEARS AND YEARS OF JUST CEMENTING TOGETHER ESSENTIALLY.
UM, IF THAT, IF THOSE, THOSE BIG PIPES COULD BE CLEARED OF ALL THAT SEDIMENT, I IMAGINE THE SYSTEM WOULD IMPROVE DRAMATICALLY.
UH, BUT IT'S JUST A MATTER OF FIGURING OUT HOW TO CLEAN THEM AND WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM FOR THAT, THAT'S CONSISTENT.
WHAT MATT IS SAYING IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I'VE HEARD.
I DIDN'T KNOW THE DETAILS, BUT I HEARD IT WAS, YOU KNOW, VERY, VERY SERIOUS, UH, UM, CLOGGING OF, OF THE PIPING.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT CAUSED, I DON'T KNOW, FIVE, 10 YEARS AGO, A BUNCH OF FLOODING IN DOWNTOWN DALE.
I HAD THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE, BUT I GUESS IT HASN'T BEEN DONE.
IT'S DEFINITELY BEEN TALKED ABOUT.
I PERSONALLY AM NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING CONCRETE IN TERMS OF ACTION PLANS.
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SUGGEST WE REMOVE IT.AND ALFRED, THANK YOU FOR GETTING US TO DO SOME HOUSEKEEPING.
UM, STEPHANIE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CHECKING ON WHAT THE HIGH SCHOOL AND EDGEMONT WAS DOING AS WE KIND OF CONTINUE ON THAT.
UM, I THINK DEVELOPMENT OF PROCESS AND PROCEDURES, TOWN CODE AND SEEKER, I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE ONES.
YEAH, I THAT'S WE ABOUT, I THINK LAST FEB, LAST FEBRUARY WE DISTRIBUTED THIS, UM, UM, MEMORANDUM ON, UM, ON
I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD WAIT, I THINK IT SHOULD BE UPDATED THIS SPRING AFTER WE SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE, UM, HOW, UM, UH, HOW HOW ELMWOOD PLAYS OUT.
AND WE SHOULD, UH, AND THEN WE SHOULD, IT, IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE MUCH IN THERE ABOUT A FI HOW, HOW THE FINAL, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT IS, UH, ADMINISTERED AND PROCESSED.
UH, AND SO I THINK WE SHOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, AFTER, AFTER WE SEE HOW M WHAT, UH, PLAYS OUT SOMETIME LATER THIS SPRING OR THIS SUMMER, YOU KNOW, SUPPLEMENT WHAT WE HAVE.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE, I HAVEN'T OCCASIONALLY REASON TO LOOK AT IT.
UM, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING THAT WHAT WE HAVE IS, HAS CHANGED, UM, SHOULD BE CHANGED BECAUSE OF HOW, UM, UH, ELMWOOD WAS PROCESSED.
UM, IT'S SIMPLY A MATTER, I THINK WE SHOULD SUPPLEMENT, ADD ONE MORE SECTION TO IT ABOUT THE FINAL E I S.
UM, AND THEN THE CAC GUIDE UNDER TOWN CODE AND SEEKER.
UM, YEAH, THAT, THAT'S WHAT ABOUT, YEAH, WELL I GUESS WE HAD TWO THINGS THERE.
DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND PROCEDURES, TOWN CODE AND SEEKER, BUT WE HAVE TO SEE HOW IT PLAYS OUT TO REALLY CHECK THE CHECK HOW THE CAC C GUIDE TO WORKING THAT WITH THAT WOULD BE, OH, DO WE, I DON'T HAVE THIS IN FRONT OF ME.
THERE ARE TWO ITEMS ON, WE, WE HAVE TWO ENTRIES.
ONE IS DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND PROCEDURES, TOWN CODE AND SEEKER.
AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS THE C A C GUIDE UNDER TOWN CODE AND SEEKER.
WELL, I WAS COMMENTING ON THE LAST ONE.
I DON'T RECALL WHAT THE FIRST ONE IS.
I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT ONE ORIGINATED WITH YOU, MIKE, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
UM, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SORT OF HAVE BEEN LEARNING THIS, UM, AS WE ARE GOING ALONG WITH ELMWOOD.
SO I THINK IT'S LIKE, I GUESS, I GUESS THE TOP ONE IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DEVELOP AND THEN WE'LL HAVE OUR C A C GUIDE UNDER THAT.
AND THEN I WAS GONNA SAY S W A B, THAT'S SHARON.
UM, YOU WANNA UNMUTE YOURSELF? SHARON? SHARON, YOU THERE? YEP, I'M HERE.
YEAH, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM, UH, FROM THEM SINCE.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN, I THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING LAST YEAR, BUT THERE HASN'T BEEN ANYTHING ANNOUNCED.
THEY HAD A MEETING THAT I DID NOT MAKE, BUT THAT WAS MONTHS AGO AND I NEVER GOT ANY FOLLOW UP, UM, EMAIL OR ANYTHING AFTER THE MEETING.
SO I, I'LL LOOK INTO IT THOUGH.
I'LL, I'LL GET IN TOUCH AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
WHAT, WHAT IS SWAB? WHAT IS THAT? SAWMILL, UH, WATERSHED.
I FINALLY, I FINALLY READ THE, UH, HISTORY OF THE WATERSHED AND I WILL MAKE SOME NOTES AND BE PRESENT THEM TO YOU WHENEVER YOU, UH, WANT THEM.
YEAH, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO DO.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NOW MIKE WAS ABLE TO GET NICE WEBPAGE PUT UP AND WE WANTED TO ADD SOME ENVIRONMENTAL LINKS, BUT WE KIND OF WANTED TO WORK WITH AARON ON THAT AND, AND SOMETIMES THESE ARE PLACEHOLDERS TO BE SURE WE DO IT, BUT THEY'VE BEEN SO BUSY WITH RECENTLY THAT I DIDN'T HAVE THE HEART TO CALL AND SAY, WHAT DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD PUT THERE? BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A, I HAVE A MEMO.
I HAVE THESE LITTLE LIKE THINGS ON MY DESK, THINGS I'M SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW UP ON.
AND THAT WAS ONE I WAS SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW UP ON.
AND BASIC PLANS, WE KIND OF STARTED TO LOOK AT THIS AND KIND OF STEPHANIE WAS WORKING ON IT AND SHARON, AND MAYBE IF WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A BUSY TIME WITH APPLICATIONS, THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING FOR US TO REALLY PICK UP ON AGAIN.
AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING IN TERMS OF OUR WEBPAGE, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT IT BOTHERS ME THAT I THINK PEOPLE DON'T RECOGNIZE HOW IT, HOW THE, HOW TO TREAT THE INVASIVE PLANS, HOW TO GET RID OF
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THEM, THAT THE, YOU REALLY SHOULD BE PULLING OUT THE VOLUMES THE FIRST TIME YOU SEE THEM ON YOUR PROPERTY.NOT WAITING TILL A LATER DATE.
WE COULD, YOU KNOW, EXCUSE ME, WE CERTAINLY COULD PUT A LIST OF, THERE'S A LIST FROM NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION, UM, AND THERE'S A REGULATION, UH, ISSUED BY THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION.
WE COULD PUT BOTH OF THOSE ON THE, UH, WEBPAGE NOW THAT WE HAVE IT.
AND WE COULD PUT WHATEVER, UM, WHATEVER TIPS, UH, PEOPLE, UH, I MEAN SHARON MAY KNOW SOME, SOME STUFF, UH, SINCE SHE'S THE MASTER GARDENER AND ALL THAT, WE CAN PUT ALL THAT ON THE, ON THE WEBPAGE.
YOU KNOW, UH, I, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS AND UH, I THINK STEPHANIE ADDRESSED INVASIVE PLANTS, BUT WE HAVE INVASIVE BUGS, INVASIVE FISH, FROGS, THEY'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND I, WHAT'S WHAT, UH, TERRY JUST SAID GAVE ME AN IDEA.
AND THAT IS TO SHOW PHOTOGRAPHS OF THESE INVASIVE PLANTS WHEN THEY'RE JUST LIKE SMALL LITTLE STARTING PLANTS.
I KNOW I WALK AROUND THE PLACE PULLING OUT BABY BITTERSWEET CONSTANTLY, BUT MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE WHEN THEY'RE REALLY FIRST JUST COMING OUT OF THE GROUND.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE COULD HAVE THAT, HAVE PICTURES LIKE THAT SO THAT PEOPLE ARE EDUCATED.
PARTLY BECAUSE MIKE, A FEW YEARS AGO YOU POINTED OUT THAT PULLING OUT THE VAST NETWORK OF ROOTS, WHICH IS WHAT I DO ALL THE TIME, JUST STIMULATES, YOU KNOW, UH, TURNS OVER SOIL AND EXPOSES SEED SO THAT THERE ARE MORE THAT GROW THAN THE SAME PLACE YOU WOUND UP WITH EVEN MORE INVASIVE PLANTS.
SO I, I THINK MAYBE IF WE COULD DO SOMETHING TO SHOW PEOPLE WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE WHEN THEY'RE JUST COMING UP SEEDLINGS AND ASK THEM TO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHEN THEY SHOULD BE PULLING THEM OUT BEFORE THEY'VE CREATED A, A, UH, NETWORK OF ROOTS.
AND THAT COULD GO ON THE WEBSITE.
SO MAYBE, MAYBE, MAYBE WE JUST NEED TO RE-ENERGIZE OURSELVES ON SOME OF THESE.
UM, YEAH, IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE DONE SO MANY, WE'VE DONE THEM SO MANY TIMES, YOU KNOW.
UM, I WAS GONNA SAY, AND THEN THE LAST ONE WE HAVE THERE IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
AND I GUESS THAT WAS SOMETHING GEORGE AND NANCY AND ALFRED WERE WORKING ON.
SO MAYBE YOU NEED TO KIND OF CONSOLIDATE AND PURSUE THAT A BIT.
UM, THIS IS SORT OF A SUBCOMMITTEE TO WORK ON THAT TOGETHER FOLKS AND, YOU KNOW, DO SOME EMAILING BACK AND FORTH AND SEE IF YOU CAN PUT TOGETHER SOME RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE SEEN AND HEARD.
YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS HAVE THIS ONE, AND I KNOW I'VE MENTIONED IT TO YOU, THAT, THAT BATHROOM VENTS CAN BE EQUIPPED WITH AN ELECTRIC HEATING SYSTEM, WHICH I THINK SHOULD BE IN EVERY HOUSE BECAUSE THEN YOU JUST HEAT THE BATHROOM.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HEAT THE HOUSE TO TAKE A SHOWER.
UM, AND I, AND I DON'T THINK IN MOST CASES WHEN THEY BUILD THINGS OR THEY TELL PEOPLE ABOUT BATHROOM VENTS, THEY BOTHER TO MENTION YOU CAN FOR A FEW DOLLARS EXTRA AND GET A BUILT IN ELECTRIC HEATING UNIT IN THIS VENT THAT THEN ALLOWS YOU TO TEACH A BATHROOM AND NOT HAVE TO HEAT THE REST OF THE HOUSE.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER LITTLE, LITTLE, LITTLE TRICKS ARE OUT THERE THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, SAY WHY DON'T WE ASK PEOPLE OR WE EVEN REQUIRE THEM, UM, IN TERMS OF ENERGY SAVING.
BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS CAN WORK ON.
SO I THINK THE ONLY ONE WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA DROP IMMEDIATELY IS FOUR CORNERS, BUT IT'S A START.
UM, AND MAYBE WE CAN WORK ON GETTING SOME OF THE OTHER ONES TO BE MORE ACTIVATED BECAUSE SO FAR I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM AARON THAT WE HAVE ANY, UM, PROJECTS COMING ON BECAUSE WHEN WE HAVE PROJECTS THEY TEND TO TAKE UP THE WHOLE WHOLE MEETING AND THAT REALLY, UM, MAKES IT HARD TO DO OTHER THINGS.
SO I DO HAVE AT LEAST ONE PROJECT THAT IS, IT IS A PRETTY SIMPLE PROJECT.
IT SHOULDN'T TAKE TOO MUCH TIME, UM, THAT I PLAN TO HAVE READY FOR THE NEXT, UH, C A C MEETING.
IT'S JUST A, THEY WANNA DO A RETAINING WALL AT, IN THE BUFFER AREA.
THE WATER COURSE IS 75 FEET AWAY ON ANOTHER PROPERTY, UM, DOWNHILL.
SO IT, IT SHOULDN'T BE TOO COMPLICATED, BUT, UM, THAT'S A PROJECT THAT'S COMING UP, UM, THAT, LIKE I SAID, I SHOULD HAVE READY FOR YOU, UH, FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
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WELL, UM, DO YOU WHAT I THINK TERRY WAS REFERRING TO MATT, YOU KNOW, ANY BIG THINGS LIKE, UM, LIKE ELMWOOD OR LIKE FUEL CELLS OR LIKE THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE THING, YOU KNOW, THAT TAKE JUST A HECK OF A LOT OF TIME TO RESEARCH AND DISCUSS MM-HMM.OR, OR OR DEVELOPMENT OF A HUNDRED ACRES OF A GOLF COURSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
ANY OF THAT KIND OF STUFF COMING UP? NO, THAT'S THE SHORT ANSWER.
LIKE OUR BEST, THE BEST PROJECTS ARE STILL GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.
UM, NOW I KNOW THAT THEY HAD WANTED, THEY HAD INITIALLY WANTED TO DO, UM, A BEST AT CROSSROAD SHOPPING CENTER.
THEY DID NOT SUBMIT THAT ORIGINALLY, AND I DO NOT KNOW IF THEY WILL EVEN SUBMIT THAT AT ALL.
UM, I HEARD THERE MIGHT BE SOME LEASING ISSUES, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY.
UM, BUT YEAH, THERE'S NOTHING, UH, REALLY BIG OR CONTROVERSIAL COMING IN THE PIPELINE THAT YOU GUYS ALREADY HAVEN'T HEARD OF AND DISCUSSED.
SO THEN THIS'LL BE A GOOD TIME TO START, UH, KNOCKING OFF, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS.
UH, YEAH, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I REALIZED OUR ANNUAL REPORT IS DUE, SO I'LL TRY AND GET THAT TOGETHER BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING AND HAVE EVERYONE LOOK AT IT AND REVIEW IT.
BUT WE, SO WE HAVE REPORTS ON THE LITHIUM, UH, AND THEY HAD NO WORD THE LITHIUM ION BATTERIES.
UH, WE HAVE REPORTS ON THE FUEL CELLS, UH, AT UM, UH, OVERALL OFF OF CENTRAL AVENUE, UH, UH, UH, BY THE ALTICE, I GUESS IT IS FACILITY WITH REPORTS ON, UH, UH, ELMWOOD.
THOSE ARE THREE MAJOR REPORTS WE'VE HAD IN THE LAST HALF YEAR.
YEAH, IT'S BEEN A BUSY YEAR, SO YEAH.
IT'S BEEN, NO ONE HAS ANYTHING ELSE.
I THINK THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT.
I MEAN, DIDN'T, I GUESS FRANCIS WAS TOO BUSY TO JOIN US.
CAN YOU PLEASE SEND US A LIST? I THINK YOU SHOULD MAKE A SCHEDULE OF PEOPLE WHO SHOULD WRITE THE MINUTES SO THAT PEOPLE WILL KNOW EXACTLY.
UH, AND IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE HERE, THEN WE SHOULD KNOW SO SOMEBODY CAN SUBSTITUTE FOR THEM.
BUT I THINK, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOME TENTATIVE SCHEDULE SO PEOPLE WILL KNOW.
OKAY, SO YOU MEAN JUST DO A ROTATING SCHEDULE, ALFRED? CORRECT.
CAN'T BE THERE ON A PARTICULAR DATE.
THEN, UH, HERE HE WILL NOTIFY TERRY AND THEN SOMEONE HAVE TO JUST TRADE.
SO NANCY, UH, NANCY DID THIS ONE.
SO SHE'S IN THE HEAD OF, SHE'S GOT, SHE'S GOT A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
THE SCHEDULE BEGINS AFTER HER TODAY.
SO SHE'S STILL IN THE SCHEDULE.
OH, SHE'S STILL IN THE SCHEDULE, BUT WE HAVE TO PUT HER AT THE END OF THE LIST NOW, FRED.
AND I THANK DONNA FOR, FOR PUSHING THIS ALONG 'CAUSE IT WAS A GOOD SUGGESTION.
ANYTHING I'VE GOT NOTHING ELSE.
GO PLAY WITH YOUR NICE DONKEY,
I, I'LL GIVE HER, I'LL GIVE HER ALL THE ATTENTION SHE CAN HANDLE.