[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL GREENBURGH TOWN HALL LEE F. JACKSON MEETING ROOM Agenda THURSDAY, April 7, 2022 – 6:30 P.M. ]
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ALFRED IS HERE BECAUSE I WAS ASKED AT THE LAST MEETING TO COME UP WITH A LIST FOR DOING THE, UM, MINUTES AND NANCY DID THEM AT THE LAST MEETING.
SO THE NEXT NAME UP IS ALFRED TO DO THE MINUTES.
DONNA, DO YOU THINK YOU COULD SEND THEM THE TEMPLATE? DO YOU HAVE IT SET UP AS A TEMPLATE FOR THE MINUTES? I DO, BUT I, ALFRED, I'M PRETTY SURE I SENT THAT TO YOU BEFORE, RIGHT? YOU, YOU DID THE MINUTES AT LEAST ONE.
BUT IF YOU DON'T I'LL SEND IT TO YOU AGAIN.
I WAS WONDERING IF YOU JUST COULD SEND IT TO THE, TO THE FOUR, THE, UH, WHAT IS IT, FOUR OF THEM? FIVE OH, TO SURE.
IT'S NANCY, ALFRED, GEORGE, LAUREN, AND LIZ.
SO WE ALL START OUT AT THE SAME PLACE.
AND THAT WAY, UM, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU ALL HAVE IT AND WE'LL WORK, WE'LL ROTATE THROUGH THE, THE LIST AND THAT WAY, UM, EACH ONE OF YOU'LL GET A CHANCE TO DO THE MINUTES.
UM, AND THEN, UH, IT SHOULD BE A PROBLEM.
OKAY, SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, WE CAN START OUT WITH AS WE USUALLY DO IS THAT, UH, WE CAN DO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
DO I HAVE ANY, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? NO.
UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF MARCH 24TH? UM, SO THANK YOU DONNA.
WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO SECOND THAT? I'LL SECOND.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE ON OUR, UM, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, BUT, UM, I KNOW THAT, UM, DONNA WA WATCHED THIS ALSO AT LEAST, AND I KNOW I HAD SENT OUT TO EVERYONE ABOUT POSSIBLY WATCHING THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS MADE TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THE CENTRAL AVENUE, PROPOSED KIND OF WHAT DO WE DO WITH CENTRAL AVENUE? AND THE REASON, EVEN IF YOU DID NOT WATCH IT, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU WATCH IT.
I THINK IT STARTS AT ABOUT 7 15, 7 30.
IT'S A REALLY GOOD PROJECT TO WATCH TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE HAVE A LARGE PROJECT IN THE TOWN AND HOW THERE ARE SO MANY CONSIDERATIONS THAT COME INTO PLAY.
UM, LIKE THERE WAS A WHOLE SECTION ON WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE TRAFFIC, UM, AND SOME REALLY GOOD PROPOSALS AND IT SOUNDED REALLY GREAT.
MAYBE THE TRAFFIC AT FOUR CORNERS, WE LIFT UP A LITTLE BIT AND THEN OF COURSE WHAT THEY WANNA DO IS THEN WE REVITALIZE THE AREA AND PUT SOME APARTMENT HOUSES OR CONDOS THERE.
AND THAT RAISED THE QUESTION, WELL, IF YOU DID THAT, WOULDN'T YOU BE BACK WHERE YOU WERE OR WERE NOW WITH THE TRAFFIC BACKING UP.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ISSUE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE WE GET INTO I, WHAT I THOUGHT WAS TO ME, WHERE WE HAVE, THE WAY THE CONSULTANT LOOKS AT IT AND THE WAY WE IN THE TOWN LOOK AT IT, THE CO CONSULTANTS LOOKING AT IT AND SAYING, WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON CENTRAL AVENUE ALL THE TIME.
SO YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, BACKUPS ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
AND, AND FROM THE TOWN POINT OF VIEW, WE DON'T REALLY WORRY ABOUT CENTRAL AVENUE.
WE WORRY ABOUT WEST HARSDALE AVENUE AND EAST HARSDALE AVENUE BECAUSE THAT'S THE ROUTE DOWN TO THE TRAIN STATION FOR THE RESIDENTS.
SO THERE'S A DEFINITE DIFFERENCE VIEW THERE AS TO WHAT'S SIGNIFICANT AND WHAT ISN'T IN TERMS OF WHEN A CONSULTANT COMES IN AND A CONSULTANT LOOKS AT THIS KIND OF WITH A, A GLOBAL KIND OF VIEW.
AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR LOCAL VIEW THAT SAYS, WELL WAIT A MINUTE, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY WORK FOR US BECAUSE IF WE HAVE A DELAY, WE MISS THE TRAINS.
AND THAT AFFECTS EVERYBODY WHO BASICALLY BOUGHT A HOME PLANNING, THEY COULD GET TO THE TRANS TRAIN STATION IN X AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS.
AND UM, PAUL, YOU KNOW, THEN BROUGHT UP, I THOUGHT AN INTERESTING THING.
HE SAID, WELL, COULD WE DO DEVELOP ONE CORNER AT A TIME? SO WE FIND OUT HOW MUCH OF AN IMPACT AND WHAT REALLY HAPPENS WHEN YOU BUILD ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS? DO YOU HAVE A LOT OF SCHOOL KIDS? BECAUSE THERE'S AN ISSUE ABOUT, WELL WHAT DO YOU DO WITH SCHOOL BUSES ON CENTRAL
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AVENUE? YOU KNOW, WE HADN'T REALLY, NO ONE HAD GUESS I THOUGHT IT WAS A WHOEVER BOARD, I THINK IT WAS SOMEONE FROM THE COMMUNITY RAISED THAT QUESTION, WHICH I SAID, WOW, THAT'S RIGHT.'CAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE A SCHOOL BUS, IT PUTS OUT THAT RED SIGN EVERYTHING STOPS, WHICH WOULD MEAN THE TRAFFIC BOTH WAYS ON SIX LANE CENTRAL AVENUE WOULD CALL TO A STOP FOR THE SCHOOL BUS.
SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING.
DONNA, DO YOU WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SECOND SECTION, WHICH THEY DID ON THE FLOODING ON CENTRAL AVENUE? SURE.
UM, THEY, I, FIRST OF ALL, I THOUGHT THEIR ANALYSIS WAS REALLY GOOD.
I THINK A K R F DID A VERY GOOD JOB IN THE STUDIES THEMSELVES AND IN HOW THEY PRESENTED LAST NIGHT BECAUSE THEY REALLY HAD TO TAKE SUCH TECHNICAL DATA AND EXPLAIN IT TO THE LAY PERSON.
AND I THINK THEY DID A GOOD JOB WITH THAT.
AND THEY DID A LOT OF ANALYSIS WITH THE STORMWATER AND THEY FOCUSED ON THE TWO YEAR STORM AND THE HUNDRED YEAR STORM, I BELIEVE, I THINK IT WAS RIGHT.
THEY SORT OF SAID THAT WHEN ALL GETS SETTLED DOWN, THE ONES IN BETWEEN REALLY LIKE THE TWO YEAR STORMS, SO RIGHT, RIGHT.
AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THEY SHOWED THAT WOULD HELP THE TWO YEAR STORM, THEY WOULD PROBABLY COST THE TOWN AROUND 10 MILLION AND TO DO THE MODIFICATIONS FOR THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM THAT'S IN THE 40 TO $50 MILLION RANGE.
SO NO MATTER WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, IT'S GONNA BE VERY COSTLY AND IT'S DEFINITELY WORTHLESS.
TERRY SAID IT'S WORTH WATCHING IT AND UNDERSTANDING WHY THE FLOODING HAPPENS.
OF COURSE, THERE'S A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS AREA, BUT MOST OF THIS IS COMING FROM UPSTREAM.
IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT WE HAVE.
AND THE TOPOGRAPHY IS JUST FLAT.
IF YOU KNOW WHERE THE FOUNTAIN DINER IS FROM THE FOUNTAIN DINER TO THE GOLF COURSE'S POND IS BASICALLY AT THE SAME ELEVATION.
SO THEY CAN'T GET THE WATER ACROSS CENTRAL AVENUE, DOWN TO THE BRONX RIVER BECAUSE IT'S SO FLAT RIGHT THERE.
SO THE PIPES THAT THEY NEED TO PUT IN CAN'T BE VERY DEEP BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE DEPTH, UM, BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING TOPOGRAPHY.
SO INSTEAD OF BEING DEEP PIPES, THEY HAVE TO BE SHALLOW AND WIDE.
AND, UM, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS, IT IS JUST, IT'S DEFINITELY WORTH LOOKING AT AND, AND UNDERSTANDING THAT.
AND THEY, YOU KNOW, HAD TO, AT LEAST SOME OF THE IDEAS THEY HAD ARE MORE SHORT TERM, UM, IMMEDIATE THINGS LIKE FOR THE, UM, REF, THE, NOT THE RE WELL THE STORES, INCLUDING RESTAURANTS DOWN IN DOWNTOWN HARTSDALE USING, I THINK THEY CALLED THEM STORM, STORM DOORS, OR I FORGET HOW THEY WORDED IT.
I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS THE TERM, IT'S A STORM DOOR, SO AT LEAST THE WATER DOESN'T, I GUESS.
AND, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF LIKE A TYPICAL GARAGE DOOR OR SOMETHING, IT'S, IT'S WATER TIGHT.
SO AT LEAST THE WATER'S NOT RUSHING INTO THE BUILDINGS IN THOSE LOCATIONS.
SO AT LEAST IT HELPS IN SOME RESPECTS.
SO AT LEAST THERE ARE SOME THINGS, YOU KNOW, THEY SUGGESTED THAT THEY, THAT COULD BE DONE, YOU KNOW, NOT IN THE MILLION DOLLAR RANGE, BUT IT DEFINITELY IS, IT'S A COMPLEX PROBLEM.
I THOUGHT ONE OF THE INTERESTING THINGS THAT THEY, THEY DID MENTION TWO THINGS, WAS ONE, THAT IN SOME OF THE BUILDINGS THEY THOUGHT THAT THEIR, UM, SYSTEMS DIDN'T HAVE A WAY OF BLOCKING BACKFLOW INTO THE BUILDING.
AND THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE THEIR, YOU KNOW, THE SYSTEM, THEIR, BASICALLY THEIR WATER HOOKUPS CHANGED SO THEY WOULDN'T ALLOW BACKFLOW.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING, 'CAUSE I HAD ALWAYS HEARD THIS TO BE BE THE CASE, BUT I ALWAYS HAD A LITTLE PIECE OF ME THAT THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS AN URBAN MYTH, BUT THEY CONFIRMED THAT PART OF THE PIPE ACTUALLY IS BURIED UNDERNEATH ONE OF THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS ON, ON EAST DALE AVENUE TO JUST ADD TO THE PROBLEMS OF THIS, THIS PIPE LITERALLY HAS A FIVE STORY BUILDING ON TOP OF IT IN CERTAIN SECTIONS, WHICH, UM, IT'S NOT URBAN MYTH, EVIDENTLY.
SO I, I DUNNO THAT IF WE HAD ANYTHING ELSE ON, BUT AS I SAID, I JUST THINK IT'S A GOOD ONE TO SEE.
IT'S A REALLY GOOD PRESENTATION.
AS, AS THOMAS SAID, THEY DID A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH COMPLEX IDEAS, MAKING THEM EASY TO UNDERSTAND.
MIKE, ASK ONE QUESTION A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.
UM, LEMME REALLY ADDRESS THIS TO KEN, UM, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.
IT'S PROBABLY MORE THAN 10, KEN, UH, WHEN IT MAY ACTUALLY BEEN BEFORE YOU CAME ON THE BOARD.
UM, I RAISED THE QUESTION WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
UH, IF MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS WERE GOING TO REQUIRE THE TOWN TO SPEND A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY,
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AND THE, THE NUMBERS, UM, NOT A WAS GOING AROUND WOULD CERTAINLY BE CONSIDERED A MAJOR AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, UM,AND, UM, I WAS TOLD THAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAD SOME HESITANCY ABOUT THAT.
UH, THOUGH THE KIND OF VERY, UM, UH, PRELIMINARY AND AND NON COMPLETE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING THAT I HAD DONE IS THAT THAT'S, UH, PERMISSIBLE IN NEW YORK AS LONG AS THE, AS LONG AS THE UM, AMOUNT THAT'S REQUIRED TO BE PAID CAN BE, UM, UM, UM, UM, A ATTRIBUTED TO THE CONSEQUENCE OF THE, OF THE, UH, OF THE PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU COULDN'T LIKE OVERCHARGE 'EM, BUT THAT IT HAD TO BE, YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY TIED.
NOW I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE, UM, WELL, I, I GUESS I'M, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, BUT MY SUSPICION IS THAT IT'S NEVER BEEN FOLLOWED UP.
UH, I KIND OF WONDER WHETHER YOU MIGHT WANNA RAISE WITH THE TOWN BOARD SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SUCH PHENOMENAL AMOUNT OF MONIES, UM, UH, LIKE $40 MILLION.
UM, WHETHER OR NOT, UM, UH, IT'S POSSIBLE TO HAVE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT LOOK INTO THE LEGALITY, UM, OF, OF, OF REQUIRING THE DEVELOPER OF, UH, A MAJOR PROJECT LIKE, UH, LIKE FOUR CORNERS BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE AMOUNT OF, OF, OF, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE THE TOWN HAS TO, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S PARTICULARLY ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, UM, UM, UH, WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT.
WELL, I THINK A K R F IN FACT DID MENTION THAT SOME THINGS WOULD BE BETTER PAID FOR AND PERMISSIBLE TO BE PAID FOR BY THE DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, POCKET TURN LANES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, WITH REGARD TO THE STORMWATER, UM, WHICH I THINK IS REALLY THE MAJOR ISSUE, UM, IN TERMS OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT NEEDS TO BE, UM, CORRECTED.
UM, I THINK THAT BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING JUST THE FOUR CORNERS AND BECAUSE THE STORMWATER PROBLEM IS SO MUCH BIGGER THAN THE FOUR CORNERS, IT MIGHT BE DIFFICULT TO GET A DEVELOPER TO DONATE OR TO GIVE MORE, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN JUST A DROP IN THE BUCKET WITH REGARD TO THE $50 MILLION, UH, PRICE TAG.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, THERE ARE ALSO, SO I THINK, I THINK THAT THAT IS LEGALLY PERMISSIBLE.
UM, AND I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK OUT HOW MUCH A DEVELOPER WOULD PAY AND, AND FOR WHAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE FOOTPRINT OF EACH CORNER, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP IT, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING JUST THOSE FOUR CORNERS IS, IS RELATIVELY SMALL COMPARED TO THE AREA THAT IS IN, IN THE FLOODPLAIN THAT NORMALLY FLOODS.
I WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO GET A DEVELOPER TO PAY FOR MORE THAN THE INFRASTRUCTURE UNDER THAT CORNER, YOU KNOW, WHICH, IF THAT'S ALL THEY PAY FOR, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH THAT WOULD ADD UP TO, BUT OF COURSE EVERY LITTLE BIT COUNTS.
UM, THERE ARE ALSO, UM, UH, COUNTY AND FEDERAL GRANTS, UM, THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
UM, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO BE SORT OF A HODGEPODGE, UM, UH, UH, UH, A HODGEPODGE, UH, PAYMENT, UH, CONFIGURATION IF YOU WILL.
UM, BUT I WAS JUST BLOWN AWAY BY HOW MUCH EVERYTHING IS GONNA COST AND, AND, AND IT'S JUST A REALLY DAUNTING, UM, UH, PROJECT, UH, IN MY MIND.
I THINK THE DIVIDING LINE THAT I RECALL, AND I SAID, REMEMBER THIS LIKE 10 YEARS AGO WHEN I LOOKED AT, YOU COULDN'T REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER TO FIX UP A PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE.
UM, BUT, UM, YOU COULD REQUIRE, I THINK IT WAS OKAY TO REQUIRE DEVELOPER, UH, FOR THE AMOUNT THAT'S ATTRIBUTABLE, BUT NO MORE THAN IT'S ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE INCREMENTAL DEMANDS ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE FROM THAT PROJECT.
AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THIS CASE, AS KEN WAS SAYING, IS THAT THE PRO THE PROBLEM'S PREEXISTING ANY DEVELOPMENT, I MEAN, WE JUST REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM MM-HMM.
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SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO BLAME IT ON ANYBODY BECAUSE THE PROBLEM REALLY HAS TO DO WITH, SEEMS WITH THE FLOODING OVERWHELMINGLY ON JUST THE TOPOGRAPHY.
AND AS DONNA WAS SAYING, THAT THE FOUNTAIN DINER AND THE LAKE IN THE MIDDLE OF S SCARSDALE GOLF COURSE ARE BASICALLY THE SAME LEVEL AND MM-HMM.
MM-HMM
AND I WOULD REALLY BE INTERESTED TO KNOW, LIKE, OKAY, LET'S, LET'S START AT A, LET'S CLEAN EVERYTHING OUT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
AND SOME, ALSO, SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS FOR THE BUILDINGS ALONG THAT ROUTE DOWN TO THE BRONX RIVER, WERE NOT EXPENSIVE SOLUTIONS, UH, EXPENSIVE SOLUTIONS LIKE THE FLOOD DOORS AND CHANGING THE WAY THEIR PLUMBING WAS.
THOSE ARE NOT HUGE BIG TICKET THINGS THAT COULD PREVENT SO MUCH PROP, SO MUCH IN THE TERMS OF DAMAGE WITH THE STORM.
UM, SO, SO I HOPE, I HOPE IF YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT, IT REALLY IS A GOOD ONE TO LOOK AT BECAUSE IT WAS REALLY, THE CONSULTING FIRM DID A REALLY GOOD JOB ON IT IN PRESENTING WHAT'S THE NEXT STEPS? UH, KEN, UH, TERRY.
WELL, FROM, FROM A CAC POINT OF VIEW, I DON'T SEE IT.
I STRICTLY, I HAD BROUGHT IT UP STRICTLY 'CAUSE I FELT IT WAS A, A REALLY GOOD TUTORIAL FOR ANYONE AND JUST INTERESTING TO KNOW ABOUT.
SO NEXT STEPS, I'M GONNA JUST PASS THAT ONE RIGHT BACK TO KEN
WELL, AFTER WE GET OVER THE STICKER SHOT, UM, WE'LL, WE WERE GOING TO INVESTIGATE OTHER POSSIBLE FUNDING SOURCES THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP US WITH THE PROJECTS AND TALK TO THE FED AND THE COUNTY AND C YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE.
WHAT OPPORTUNITIES, YOU KNOW, FOR GRANTS ARE THERE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WE HAVE TO START AT A, BY CLEANING THINGS OUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A SIMPLE SOLUTION.
AND WHEN YOU GO AND YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE DEBRIS THAT HAS COLLECTED IN THESE CULVERTS, I MEAN, IT'S A WONDER THAT IT CAN RAIN AT ALL AND THERE NOT BE A FLOOD.
YOU KNOW? AND, AND THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST NOT, THEY HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN CLEANED OUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S ALSO, THERE'S ROCKS AND TREES AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, CAR PARTS.
AND I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD START.
LIZ, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? UM, YEAH.
TO ONE, I, I, I ATTENDED, I WATCHED IT, UM, I WATCHED THE PRESENTATION.
WHAT I FOUND MIND, MIND BOGGLING, WHICH I KNOW IT HAPPENS ALL OVER WESTCHESTER, IS THAT THERE WERE THOSE WATERWAYS THEY DESCRIBED THAT WERE BUILT UPON HOWEVER MANY DECADES AGO MM-HMM.
AND WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THAT? BUT MAKES YOU WONDER WHAT THEY WERE THINKING?
I THINK SOMEBODY FROM THIS GROUP HAD SENT AN EMAIL, BUT I JUST FROM MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IN MY HOUSE, SO MUCH SMALLER SCALE AFTER HURRICANE SANDY, WE FLOODED IN OUR BASEMENT AND IT WAS BECAUSE THE DRAINAGE PIPE HAD DETERIORATED AND WAS CLOGGED UP WITH DIRT.
SO THAT'S WHY THE WATER BACKED UP.
SO IT COULD MAYBE, BUT MY, MY QUESTION WAS, UM, I HAD ATTENDED, IT WAS ACTUALLY A A A C A C GATHERING AND THEY DID AN ENTIRE PRESENTATION ON GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE AND TALKING ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S A TON OF FUNDING AVAILABLE FROM THE STATE RIGHT NOW.
UM, KINGSTON WAS THE CITY, THEY'RE ON THE HUDSON RIVER.
'CAUSE THEY WERE HAVING HORRIFIC FLOODING PROBLEMS WITH THE HUDSON RIVER FLOODING THE TOWN.
UM, AND THEY HAD HUGE SUCCESS.
I TOLD PAUL I WOULD FORWARD FIND THAT STUDY AND FORWARD IT TO, TO ALL OF YOU TO LOOK AT.
SO THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY THERE AS WELL TO GET SOME FUNDING THAT'S FOR GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE.
NOT, I MEAN, YOU NEED BOTH, OBVIOUSLY THE CULVERTS IN, BUT FUNDING IS FUNDING, RIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS THOUGHT ABOUT THAT OR ANY, I THINK ANY SUGGESTIONS WHERE THERE'S MONEY COMING IN THE TOWN WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP ON IT.
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KEN? FOR SURE.UM, ALAN WOOD, UM, IS ONGOING.
UH, THE, UM, PARKS AND REX BOARD, UH, TOOK A VOTE AND THE PARKS AND REX BOARD MEMBERS, UM, EXPRESSED THAT THEY WOULD, UM, PREFER SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, UH, TO THE CONDOMINIUMS. UH, THEY FELT THAT THE CHANGE IN THE ADDITIONAL THREE AND A HALF ACRES, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD PREFER NOT TO SEE THEIR, UM, UNDERLYING ZONING CHANGED ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEY FELT THAT THERE WAS MORE FINANCIAL CERTAINTY WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES IN TERMS OF REVENUE FOR THE TOWN LONG TERM.
UM, I GUESS MIKE, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE LETTER FROM MR. STEINITZ? UH, OKAY, SURE.
UM, WELL THE F E I S HAD A NUM HAS HAD A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF IMPORTANT, EXTREMELY, I MEAN, JUST FOR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FISCAL FINANCIAL INFORMATION TO THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
UM, AND IT WAS BASED THE FINANCIAL INFORMATION, THE GROSS IN NET TAX AND GROSS IN NET ANNUAL TAX BENEFIT TO THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, UM, WAS BASED ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT I THINK IS PROBABLY MORE NOW UNDERSTOOD TO BE A MYTH THAT TOWNHOUSES CAN BE TAXED TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS.
BECAUSE THE LETTER, UH, FROM, UM, THE, UM, UH, THE LETTER FROM, UM, THE, UM, LAWYER FROM THE CA UH, THE LAWYER FROM THE UH, UM, APPLICANT SAYS IT'S NOT LEGAL, UH, DOES CASE LAW, I DUNNO, I HAD THAT LETTER.
I DUNNO WHAT I HECK I DID WITH IT.
BUT ANYWAY, UH, HE SAYS IT'S NOT LEGAL.
AT FIRST, HE GOT UP TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND SAID HE WOULDN'T GIVE AN OPINION THAT THAT WAS ENFORCEABLE.
AND THEN HE SAID THE SAME THING TO THE TOWN BOARD.
WHAT HE'S BASICALLY SAYING NOW IS NOT ONLY THAT HE WOULDN'T GIVE AN OPINION, BUT HE'S AFFIRMATIVELY GIVING AN OPINION THAT IT'S NOT ILLEGAL.
AND WHY IN THE HECK CAN I, I NOT FIND, OH, WELL I KNOW WHY.
I JUST WANNA READ THIS TO, TO EVERYONE.
I, I HAVE TO SAY THAT IT IS QUITE, UM, SHOCKING THAT, UM, UM, UH, A FINAL E I S IS PRESENTED TO TOWN NOW FINALLY, E I S FOR THOSE, I'M SURE EVERYBODY ON THE CSC HAS READ IT.
I'M PROBABLY NOT QUITE SURE HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THE TOWN HAVE READ IT.
IT'S SELFISH SHOCKING BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT PAGE OF THE FINAL E I S, YOU SEE THAT BLUE THING THAT IS THE LOGO OF THE APPLICANT'S CONSULTANT.
SEE THAT BLUE THING J M C AND THE WORDS I KIND OF CIRCLED HERE ON, UH, BOXED HERE ON THE RIGHT, THOSE WORDS ARE PREPARED BY NOW.
IT'S KNOWN IN SEQUEL WORLD THAT THE FINAL E I S IS THE TOWN'S DOCUMENT.
HOW IN THE HECK THE TOWN OF GREENBERG ALLOWED ITS OWN DOCUMENT FOR WHICH THE TOWN IS RESPONSIBLE TO BE PREPARED BY THE APPLICANT'S CONSULTANT IS MIND BOGGLING.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S THE LEGAL JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ISN'T.
NOW THIS DOCUMENT PREPARED BY APPLICANT'S CONSULTANT SAYS THAT IF ALL THE CONDOS ARE BEING TAXED IN TERMS OF THE GROSS AND NET BENEFIT OF THE TOWN, THAT THEY'RE BEING TAXED AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS.
APPLICANT'S COUNSEL WHO PREVIOUSLY SAID HE WOULDN'T GIVE AN OPINION THAT THAT WAS, UM, ENFORCEABLE.
AND I THINK THAT WAS UNDERSTOOD BY SOME PEOPLE AS BEING, OH, WELL, THERE'S NO CASE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
HE ACTUALLY COMES CLEAN YESTERDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE AND SAYS NEW YORK
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CASE LAW MAKES IT CLEAR THAT THE TOWN DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MANDATE THE FORM OF REAL PROPERTY OWNERSHIP.BASICALLY, AS YOU SAW FROM THE EMAIL THAT TERRY AND I SENT OUT LAST NIGHT TO, UH, THE SUPERVISOR AND THE TOWN BOARD WHERE WE SAID THAT MAKES ALL OF THE FINANCIAL INFORMATION IN THE FINAL E I S UNRELIABLE.
THAT WAS A VERY MILD STATEMENT.
IT IS QUAD QUAD QUASI FRAUDULENT.
WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THE TOWN THEY KNEW TWO, THREE WEEKS AGO, WHENEVER THEY FILED THE FINAL, YOU KNOW, THIS CASE LAW THEY CITE FROM 1985, UH, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON, THEY, THE APPLICANT'S COUNSEL'S BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR FOUR YEARS.
THEY KNEW THE PROBABILITY IS HIGHLY, HIGHLY LIKELY.
THEY KNEW THE EXISTENCE OF THE LAW WHEN THEY FILED THE DOCUMENT.
AND THEY FILED A DOCUMENT WHERE ALL OF THE FINANCIAL INFORMATION PRESENTED TO THE TOWN BOARD A FROM WHICH THE TOWN BOARD IS SUPPOSED TO ACT UPON IS NOT TRUE.
AND THAT IS REALLY A HOW THE TOWN IS OPERATING.
THE SECRET PROCESS IS PUZZLING OR WORSE.
IN ADDITION, THE COVER LETTER FROM APPLICANT'S COUNSEL SAYS, UH, WE, THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S COUNSEL LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THE TOWN OF THE PREPARATION FINDING STATEMENT.
THE FINDING STATEMENTS IS THE TOWN IS THE LEAD AGENCY'S DOCUMENT.
THIS IS THE CONCLUSIONS OF THE LEAD AGENCY, WHY THE APPLICANT IS WORKING ON THE TOWN'S CONCLUSIONS IN WHICH THIS CASE IS THE TOWN BOARDS OF LEE JAYDEN, AGAIN, IS BEYOND PUZZLING.
UH, THE APPLICANT'S COUNSEL HAS A ETHICAL OBLIGATION TO REPRESENT ITS CLIENT.
IT IS THE APPLICANT AFTER THE S QL PROCESS, THE TOWN BOARD IS SUPPOSED TO COME UP WITH WHAT IT THINKS.
THE CONCEPT OF IT BEING PREPARED OR BEING WORKED ON BY THE APPLICANT'S COUNSEL IS JUST MIND BLOWING.
UM, NOW IN ADDITION TO ALL THAT, UM, THE FUTURE PROBLEM FOR THE TOWN BOARD IS THIS, IF THE TOWN BOARD WERE HYPOTHETICALLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TOWN WAS GONNA DO, BUT THE TOWN BOARD HYPOTHETICALLY BECAUSE OF NOW THE COMPLETE NON BELIEVABILITY OF WHAT IS PRESENTED IN THE FINAL E I SS AS TO THE FISCAL IMPACT OF THE TOWN, THE COMPLETE NON BELIEVABILITY.
IF THE TOWN BOARD WERE TO PICK THE 113 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, WHICH IS, UM, UM, COMPLIES WITH EXISTING DONATING LAW, COMPLIES WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, UH, AS AS WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
IF THE FINDING STATEMENT WHICH IS BEING WORKED ON TO SOME DEGREE BY APPLICANT'S COUNSEL SAYS TOWNHOUSES ARE THE BEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD, IT'S GONNA BE HARD FOR THE TOWN BOARD TO DO WHAT IT WANTS TO DO.
THE TOWN BOARD BETTER, YOU KNOW, HAS A REALLY, FRANKLY, THE TOWN BOARD HAS A RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PUBLIC TO TO DO ITS OWN FINDING STATEMENTS AND TO BE SURE THAT ITS FINDING STATEMENTS PURPORT WOULD, UH, WOULD SUPPORT NOT PURPORT WOULD SUPPORT WHAT IT WANTS TO CONCLUDE.
'CAUSE THE TOWN BOARD CAN'T TURN OVER THE FINDING STATEMENTS.
THE APPLICANT'S COUNSEL IS AN ETHICAL OBLIGATION TO DO, TO GET THE RESULT THAT THIS CLIENT WANTS.
AND THAT'S, I MEAN, IT'S PERFECTLY PROPER FOR HIS CLIENT TO WANT WHATEVER IT WANTS.
IT'S PERFECTLY PROPER AND IT'S ETHICAL FOR APPLICANT'S COUNSEL TO HEAR WHAT HIS CLIENT WANTS.
BUT IF YOU TURN OVER THE FINDING STATEMENTS TO IT, THE TOWN BOARD MAY FIND ITSELF PRECLUDED FROM DOING WHAT IT WANTS TO DO.
MIKE, THAT MIKE, I JUST WANNA SAY ONE THING.
THE FACT THAT THE APP THAT MR. STEINITZ SAID HE WANTED TO PARTICIPATE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT HE'S BEING WELCOME TO PARTICIPATE BY THE TOWN BOARD.
WELL, MAYBE OR MAYBE NOT BECAUSE HE'S PUBLIC AT THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
IN FACT, HE SAID SOMETHING STRONGER.
HE, UH, AS I RECALL IT IN THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING, HE SAID HE WAS PREPARING.
I I I DON'T, I I THINK THAT, UH, I MEAN THE CONCEPT OF HIM YEAH, I AGREE IT DOES.
I THINK THE TOWN BOARD HAS A NO, I DO AGREE WITH YOU, TERRY.
THE TOWN BOARD HAS A DECISION TO MAKE AS WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO PERMIT
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THIS EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY BECAUSE OF HIM MAKING SUGGESTIONS TO SOMEONE ON THE STAFF THAT IS BEING ASKED BY THE TOWN BOARD TO DO IT.ALL I'M SAYING IS THE TOWN BOARD, IF THEY, IF THEY WANT TO KEEP THEIR OPTIONS OPEN, THEY CERTAINLY NEED TO BE SURE THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NO TRIP WIRES IN THE FINDING STATEMENTS THAT PRECLUDE WHAT THE TOWN BOARD MIGHT WANT TO DO.
UM, IN ADDITION, THERE IS A LETTER THAT CAME IN A DAY OR TWO AGO SAYING THAT ALL OF THE ALTERNATIVES, THIS IS FROM THE COUNTY, UH, UH, THIS IS FROM THE COUNTY, UM, WESTCHESTER COUNTY PLANNING DEPARTMENT, SEEING ALL OF THE ALTERNATIVES GENERATE MORE THAN THE MORE GALLONS PER CAPTOR PER DAY THEN IS A THEN IS ALLOWED BY LAW UNDER THE COUNTY SEWER LAW.
IN OTHER WORDS, ALL OF THE ALTERNATIVES IN THE F E I S GENERATE MORE SEWAGE THAN IS ALLOWED.
UM, AND UM, I I, THIS IS A NEW FACT THAT CAME IN, UH, APRIL 5TH.
I I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S PROPOSED TO BE ADDRESSED.
UM, AND THE PLANNING BOARD FINDINGS WERE ISSUED, UH, LAST NIGHT OR THIS MORNING.
UH, AND WHAT THEY BASICALLY IS THEY PREFER AS A STRICT PLANNING MATTER, THEY PREFER THE A HUNDRED AND, UH, 59 TOWNHOUSES, BUT THEY NOTE THAT, UH, THE PROPOSAL TO, TO MAKE TOWNHOUSE EUNICE, TEXAS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, UM, RATHER THAN CONDOMINIUMS IS NOT WITHOUT RISK.
UM, AND, UM, QUITE AN UNDERSTATEMENT, BUT TRUE, BUT KIND OF AN UNDERSTATEMENT.
UM, AND IT'S KINDA LIKE, YOU KNOW, UH, WELL G YOU KNOW, G MRS. LINCOLN, UH, BESIDE FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW'D YOU LIKE TO PLAY? UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, SO THAT'S WHAT I KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF KEN WOULD LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING, UM, ABOUT THE PROCESS.
I THINK WE JUST LOST KEN TO PROBABLY SOMETHING IN HIS HOUSEHOLD.
UM, I, I JUST, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE, SORT OF WHERE WE'RE ON THIS, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, I THINK KEN'S BACK, KEN, YOU BACK? YES, I'M HERE.
MIKE WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU HAD ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD OR A COMMENT ON IT, ON WHAT MIKE HAD SAID.
I MEAN, SOMETHING I SAID MAY HAVE BEEN WRONG, KEN AND KEN, IN WHICH CASE PLEASE TELL ME OR TELL US.
UM, WELL, I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT THE, UM, THAT THE, THAT THAT WE ARE ABDICATING OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY.
UM, I, I WAS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ACTUALLY WENT BACK AND FORTH QUITE A BIT WITH THE APPLICANT TO COME UP WITH OPTION I, WHICH I WAS ORIGINALLY VERY HAPPY WITH, UH, AND WAS PREPARED TO, UM, PREPARED TO SUPPORT, UH, BECAUSE OF THE, UH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THE, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ASPECTS AND THE, THE, THE, THE TAXATION ASPECTS.
AND, UM, IT WAS SORT OF CREST FALL IN WHEN ALL OF THE LEGAL DATA, UH, BEGAN TO COME OUT INDICATING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PROMISES OF TAXATION AS, AS FEE SIMPLE WASN'T, WASN'T REALLY ENFORCEABLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S LOOKING MORE AND MORE LIKE 113 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND IS WHAT PEOPLE THINK IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMMUNITY, UM, YOU KNOW, SEEMS, YOU KNOW, IT HAS GIVEN THEIR VOICE TOO.
BUT IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, HAS AN OUTMODED NOTION OF WHAT A CONDOMINIUM COMMUNITY LOOKS LIKE.
UM, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT'S A SHAME THAT WE WILL LOSE THE BALL FIELDS, WHICH ARE REALLY SORELY NEEDED IN THE TOWN.
UM, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THE 113 HOUSES USE UP EVERY BIT OF LAND, UM, SO THAT WE DON'T GET, YOU KNOW, THE GREEN SPACE THAT WE WERE HOPING FOR.
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THEY'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, ARCHITECTURALLY LOVELY HOMES.I THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL PROBABLY LOOK LIKE THE HOUSES ON WESTCHESTER VIEW LANE, WHICH I DON'T THINK ARE PARTICULARLY LOVELY HOMES.
UM, UH, THE SAME COMMUNITY CAME OUT, UH, AGAINST, UH, GAME ON DEVELOPING FIELDS ACROSS THE STREET BECAUSE IT WAS GONNA RUIN THE, RUIN THE QUASI RURAL CHARACTER OF THEIR COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK THAT THE MONSTROSITY OF A, OF AN OF ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY THAT'S THERE NOW IS MUCH MORE OF AN EYESORE THAN OPEN SPACE, A TENNIS BUBBLE.
AND SOME BALL FIELDS WOULD'VE BIT, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT, BUT AGAIN, THEY, THEY SEEM TO THINK THAT BALL FIELDS AND OPEN SPACE AND A TENNIS BUBBLE WAS GOING TO BRING AN UNDESIRABLE ELEMENT INTO THE COMMUNITY.
AND I JUST, I I TOTALLY DISAGREED.
I THINK SO I DON'T HAVE MUCH FAITH.
I DON'T, I DON'T PUT MUCH STOCK IN WHAT THAT COMMUNITY SAYS THEY WANT FOR THE REASONS THAT THEY SAY THEY WANT IT, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE A CLUE.
BUT THAT KEN, CAN I, CAN I, CAN I RESPOND TO THAT? BECAUSE THIS IS ALSO, I WANTED JUST RESPOND TO KEN, KEN ON THIS BECAUSE THIS IS ALSO MY COMMUNITY 'CAUSE I'M ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT.
IT WOULD'VE LIT UP OUR WHOLE VIEW.
AND NOW YOU'RE PENALIZING A COMMUNITY FOR NOT OBJECTING TO SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN'T COME OUT WITH PITCHFORKS AND PRESENT A PROBLEM ABOUT.
AND, AND THIS IS SOMETHING ENVIRONMENTALLY I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT MM-HMM.
'CAUSE WE HAD, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO RIDE ON IT WHEN JONATHAN SAID HE WOULD BUILD WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED.
IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO HAS A HOME, THAT'S A LOVELY HOME.
IF YOU LOOK IN THE, IN OUR COMMUNITY WHERE THE PROPERTY PARCELS ARE LARGER, EVEN ON WHERE THE PARCELS ARE, SMALLER PEOPLE PLANT TREES, THEY PLANT BUSHES.
I THINK ENVIRONMENTALLY IN TERMS OF, UM, TREES AND, AND, AND CARBON SEQUESTERED AND MAIN WATER HOLDING IN 10 YEARS WITH PRIVATE HOUSES, YOU'LL BE WAY AHEAD OF THE GAME.
AND IN 20 YEARS, DEFINITELY, BECAUSE GRASS, AS MIKE LIKES TO SAY, GRASS IS ONLY A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN CONCRETE.
SO I THINK SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, NOT ALL OPEN SPACE IS EQUAL.
THAT'S, THAT'S WOODED AND YES, THEN IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY.
BUT THIS OPEN SPACE IS GRASS AND THAT'S, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED.
THE QUALITY OF THE OPEN SPACE ISN'T THAT GREAT.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, EVEN WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, YOU WILL BE GETTING BALL FIELDS.
YOU JUST WON'T BE GETTING 14 ACRES.
YOU'LL BE GETTING EIGHT ACRES.
AND THAT'S, SO, I MEAN THAT'S A, A FAIR COMMENT.
SO THANK YOU FOR TOLERATING ME AS AN, AS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO LIVES IN THAT AREA.
LISTEN, NO, NO, BUT, BUT WE ALL HAVE, I MEAN, WE ALL HAVE OUR OPINIONS.
I MEAN, I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS IS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IF THE TOWN BOARD PASSES THE LAW TO PUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO SITE PLAN BEING REVIEWED RIGHT NOW.
SO BY THE TIME A SITE PLAN CAME IN, WE COULD GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THERE, EVEN WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UM, KIM, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO PICK WITH LESLIE THING TERRY JUST SAID, WHICH IS THERE'S A PUZZLEMENT, IF YOU READ THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION MM-HMM.
IT WAS TO DOWN ZONE THE ENTIRE PROPERTY TO R 30 AND TO CREATE A POT.
IT WAS, THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE THAT, THAT WAS BEING ASKED FOR.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND, FRANKLY, MAYBE IT'S JUST ME PERSONALLY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE TOWN EVER GOT INTO THE ISSUE OF FIVE ALTERNATIVES.
AND, AND THE APPLICANT SAID HE'S NOT GONNA BE THE BUILDING.
AND WE LIVE IN A CAPITALIST SOCIETY AND THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS.
BUT YOU AND I KNOW AND EVERY KNOW, IF YOU AND I IN THE
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REAL ESTATE BUSINESS, IF WE BUY, IF WE CAN BUY SOMETHING THAT HAS X FOR DENSITY AND WE CAN GET A DOWN ZONE FOR X PLUS, YOU KNOW, 30% MORE, WE CAN SELL IT FOR MORE MM-HMM.BUT WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHY THE TOWN BOARD IS EVEN ADDRESSING ANYTHING OTHER THAN DO THEY DOWN ZONE AND DO THEY CREATE A PUT? THAT WAS ALL THAT WAS ASKED IN THE APPLICATION IS IN A COURT, IF YOU GO IN AND YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, THE COMPLAINT IS, YOU KNOW, YOUR WORSHIP, CAN I PLEASE DO A AND B? IT IS VERY SELDOM THE JUDGE IS GONNA DO, GONNA GIVE YOU A AND B PLUS C, D AND E.
I MEAN, ALL THE APPLICATION WAS FOUR FOR TWO THINGS.
ALL OF THIS OTHER STUFF DOES SEEMS TO BE GRATUITOUS AND ISN'T THE RIGHT ANSWER.
SOMEWHAT WHAT TERRY JUST SAID.
WHY DO WE WAIT AND SEE, AND WHO IN THE HECK IS THE REAL, UM, UM, DEVELOPER? YOU, YOU LOOK WHAT HAPPENED OVER IN, UM, THE, UH, THE FRENCH AMERICAN SCHOOL IN WHITE PLAINS SOME, UH, A LONG ISLAND ISLAND DEVELOPER BOUGHT, IT'S A PROPERTY JUST ABOUT LIKE THIS.
THEY BOUGHT IT AND THEY'RE BUILDING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, WHICH THEY INTEND TO VALUE BETWEEN 1.8 AND 3 MILLION.
OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE VERY HIGH RATEABLES.
UM, WHO KNOWS IF SOMEONE WOULD BUY THAT AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO DO, AND THEN YOU COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH 'EM, YOU KNOW, COULD YOU STICK IN 10 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS? YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T REQUIRE IT BECAUSE OUR LAW DOESN'T REQUIRE IN RESIDENT AT TODAY, AS OF TODAY, DOESN'T REQUIRE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
BUT YOU COULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, UM, UH, OR, OR THE TOLL BROTHERS MAY BUY IT.
AND THE TOLL BROTHERS HAVE THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS FOR A LONG TIME.
THEY HAVE THEIR OWN IDEAS OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DEVELOP IN THE NORTHEAST, UH, SUBURBAN COMMUNITY.
I, I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHY THERE'S A DISCUSSION AMONG ANYTHING OTHER THAN ARE YOU GONNA DOWN ZONE AND ARE YOU GONNA CREATE A POD NOW? I MEAN, MAYBE THERE'S A RATIONAL ANSWER, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW I EVEN GOT INTO THIS.
AND THEN IT SEEMS, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF THE, THE ANSWER IS YES OR NO, AND IF THE ANSWER IS NO, THEN YOU DEAL WITH, UM, THE NEW DEVELOPER AND THE NEW DEVELOPER.
NOT THE NEW DEVELOPER, BUT THE ACTUAL DEVELOPER, THE PERSON THAT'S GONNA COME IN ACTUALLY DO THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND WHEN THAT COMPANY SHOWS UP, YOU TALK TO HIS, THE REPRESENTATIVE, UH, AND YOU KNOW, AND YOU NE AND YOU NEGOTIATE WITH THAT REPRESENTATIVE.
BUT IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT MOST OF WHAT THE F E I S IS FOCUSED ON INC.
INCLUDING ALL THE FISCAL ISSUES, UM, IT, IT NOT WHAT WAS BEING ASKED.
I MEAN, THE APPLICATION GOES BACK TO THREE OR FOUR YEARS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I CAN SEND YOU A COPY IF, IF, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT SAYS IT ON THE FRONT PAGE.
THIS PETITION SEEKS TWO THINGS.
TO, TO TAKE THE PARTIALLY R 30, R 20 AND ZONE IT ALL R 30.
AND TO LOCATE A PUT, I THINK WE WERE TRYING TO CRAFT A SOLUTION THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO INCREASE DENSITY.
MAYBE WE DID GET LOST IN THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THAT MACHINATION AND, AND THAT IT WASN'T REALLY, UM, NECESSARY.
AND I, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INSULT YOU, TERRY, AT ALL.
I WAS JUST SAYING, I GUESS, I GUESS I JUST, THAT WAS A VERY VISCERAL THING BECAUSE THE OTHER THING WITH THE BUBBLE WAS THERE WAS GONNA BE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.
AND THE ASSISTED LIVING DOESN'T REALLY ADD MUCH TRAFFIC.
I MEAN, AND WHICH IS A, AND THAT, THAT IS A CORRIDOR WHERE THE TRAFFIC IS, IS REALLY A DIFFICULT AREA.
I MEAN, I HAVE, I HAVEN'T COMMUTED IN 20 YEARS, BUT I HAD TROUBLE 20 YEARS AGO GETTING OUT ONTO DOSS FERRY ROAD IN THE MORNING MM-HMM.
SO I JUST, I I'M SORRY BECAUSE I REALLY KIND OF JUST LOST IT THERE, BUT I ALWAYS REALLY IS PERSONAL THING.
I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY, I'M NOT CONSCIOUS OF, OF IN MY VIEW, SHED AT NIGHT OF LIGHT FROM THE ASSISTED LIVING, BUT HAD THERE BEEN THE FIVE STORY BUBBLE I WOULD'VE BEEN.
SO THERE ARE THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I, I THINK WE KIND OF BEAT FEEDING POOR KEN UP BECAUSE OF THIS PROJECT, WHICH IS I STILL UNDECIDED I'M SURE BY ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO.
BUT WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS I WANTED TO TOUCH ON.
DID DO I, KEN, I HAVE FOUND IT AND I'D BE HAPPY TO SEND TO YOU, YOU'D LIKE ME TO IT MAY 16TH, 2018 ON THE LETTERHEAD OF ZARN AND STEIN METS PAGE ONE, THE PETITION REQUEST AND AMENDMENT OF THE ZONING MAP.
SO THE ENTIRE PROPERTY WOULD BE REZONED TO THE R 20 DISTRICT
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AND THEN CONVERTED TO A PO PLAN UNIT, DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.ALL THAT'S BEING ASKED MM-HMM.
UH, WHY YOU HAVE TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN RESPOND TO, LIKE IF YOU WERE A JUDGE, WHY YOU DO ANYTHING THAT OTHER THAN RESPOND TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DID THE COMPLAINT ASK FOR? AND UM, AND, AND IT WOULD JUST SEEM HAVE SOME RATIONALITY TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE ACTUAL DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, UM, DOES.
BUT I MEAN, AGAIN, THAT'S ALL UP TO THE TOWN BOARD, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW WHY YOU EVEN HAVE TO PICK AND GET, UH, ANY OF THE ALTERNATIVES.
IT SEEMS TO BE THE BASIS OF THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE BASIS OF ALL THE DISCUSSIONS I'VE HEARD THAT THE TOWN BOARD HAS TO PICK, BUT I DON'T PERSONALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
I'M SURE HE'S GETTING A LOT OF INPUT FROM EVERYBODY ON THIS PROJECT.
WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE HAD ASKED LIZ TO LOOK INTO THE TOWN'S SOIL POLICY AND I ALSO WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT COGNAC TREE CUTTING.
SO LIZ, WHY DON'T YOU TELL US WHAT YOU FOUND OUT ABOUT THE KIND OF, UH, THE TOWN POLICY? UM, SO THERE, WHAT I LEARNED IS THAT THERE IS NO FORMAL POLICY BECAUSE IT'S, UM, IT WAS ACTUALLY VERY INTERESTING, VERY INFORMATIVE.
UM, IT, IT'S, I VERY KIND OF VERY, VERY IMPRESSIVE TO UNDERSTAND THE DANCE THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO ACCOMPLISH THIS.
UM, I MET WITH RICH FAHAN AS WELL AS BRIAN SIMMONS.
AND UM, THEY, THERE, THERE'S NO POLICY BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF A PART SCIENCE, PART ART, IT REALLY, EVERY SNOW EVENT IS DIFFERENT AND THEY HAVE TO COME AT IT HOPING THEY SOMETIMES HOPING YOU GET IT RIGHT.
UM, SOME REALLY GOOD NEWS IS THAT HE SAID THEY'VE TURNED OVER MOST OF THE FLEET.
THEY STILL HAVE OLD TRUCKS, BUT THEY HAVE A LOT OF THE NEW TRUCKS, WHICH VERY CAREFULLY CALIBRATE SO THAT WE'RE NOT GIVING OUT, DISTRIBUTING EXCESS SALT WHEN THEY NEED TO SALT.
UM, THEY TALKED ABOUT HOW TWO OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS THEY HAVE IS THAT THEY'RE MANDATED BY THE STATE TO BUY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SALT.
SO HE SAID SOME YEARS THE BUILD THE STRUCTURE WHERE THEY STORE THE SALT, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SNOW, THEY'LL END UP WITH THE SALT UP TO THE ROOF.
AND THEN THERE WAS ONE YEAR WHERE THEY RAN OUT AND IT'S KIND OF A PAIN BECAUSE THEY DON'T USUALLY NEED ALL OF THE SALT, BUT THEY'RE MANDATED TO BUY.
SO THEY'RE FOR, WE'RE FORCED TO SPEND X AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND.
UM, WHAT WAS THE OTHER? UM, SO THEY, THEY CAN ONLY BRINE THE STREET, WHICH IS THE PREFERRED METHOD WHEN THERE'S NO RAIN.
'CAUSE THE RAIN WILL WASH THE BRINE AWAY.
UM, AND THEN THEY, YOU KNOW, THE SALT, THERE WAS ALL SORTS OF NUANCES ABOUT WHEN THE SALT GOES OUT, IF IT'S, IT HAS TO BE ABOVE A CERTAIN TEMPERATURE OR BELOW A CERTAIN TEMPERATURE AND A CERTAIN TYPE OF SNOW.
AND THEY TRY TO WAIT UNTIL THE END.
HE ACTUALLY SAID THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THEY FACE.
UM, WHICH MADE ME THINK MAYBE FOR NEXT WINTER IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO PUT TOGETHER AN INFORMATIONAL, UM, SOMETHING FLYER OR SOMETHING FOR THE PUBLIC.
THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THEY HAVE ARE PEOPLE CALLING IN, YOU DIDN'T GO ON MY STREET YET.
AND THEY RECORD EVERY STREET THAT THEY'VE BEEN ON BECAUSE WITH THE G P S TRACKING AND THE TRUCKS, THEY CAN SAY, WELL, WE WERE JUST THERE AT 5:00 AM AND THEN AGAIN IT'S 7:00 AM BUT HE SAID THAT THAT'S THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THEY FACE IS PEOPLE CALLING.
BUT, SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO POLICY BECAUSE EVERY SNOW EVENT IS DIFFERENT.
AND I GUESS THE BIGGEST THING THAT WOULD HELP IS IF THEY COULD COMPLETE THE TURNOVER OF THE FLEET OF TRUCKS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH LIZ FOR FOLLOWING UP ON THAT.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S HAPPENING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH I'VE BEEN CONTACT WITH AARON SCHMIDT AND AARON SCHMIDT IS FOLLOWING UP ON THIS WITH D P W IS CONED IS REPLACING ALL THE TELEPHONE POLES.
INITIALLY THEY WERE JUST DOING A FEW, NOW THEY'RE REPLACING ALL THE TELEPHONE POLES WITH HIGHER POLES.
THE POLES ARE PROBABLY AT LEAST ANOTHER SIX FEET HIGHER.
AND AS THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THIS, 'CAUSE THEY'RE LITERALLY GOING DOWN THE STREET AND TAKING OUT EVERY POLE AND PUTTING IN A NEW POLE.
THEY HAVE BEEN DOING WHOLESALE TREE CUTTING, NOT TREE TRIMMING, WHOLESALE TREE TRIMMING BECAUSE NOW THE LINES ARE MUCH HIGHER.
BUT TAKING DOWN TREES, A LOT OF THESE TREES ARE IN THE TOWNS RIGHT AWAY.
OLD TREES, LARGE TREES, AND IN ON SOME LONGFELLOW STREET, FOR ANYONE WHO KNOWS POETS CORNERS BETWEEN, UH, STEVENSON IN LITTON AVENUE,
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WHICH IS TWO BLOCKS, THEY TOOK DOWN FIVE OR SIX TREES, BIG TREES, WHICH IS KIND OF AN AMAZING AMOUNT OF TREES.AND MY CONCERN IS THAT THIS IS THE PLAN THROUGHOUT THE TOWN, WHICH WOULD BASICALLY BE A BASIC DEFORESTATION OF THE TOWN OF A SIGNIFICANCE THAT COULD REALLY LIKE, AFFECT OUR AIR QUALITY IS SO MANY TREES.
SO I KNOW AARON IS FOLLOWING UP ON THIS, THIS FOLLOWING, AND ONE OF THE THINGS IS YOU HAVE TO KEEP KIND OF TRACK OF WHAT'S COMING IN.
BUT IF THIS WAS ON SOMEONE'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, THEN WE COULD FORCE UNDER OUR EXISTING LAW FORCE CONED TO DO A REPLACEMENT TREE.
BUT RIGHT NOW, LEGALLY WE CAN'T FORCE CONED TO PROVIDE FOR ALL THE REPLANTING.
IF, IF, IF IT'S IN A RIGHT AWAY, A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE RIGHT AWAY, THE EXISTING LAW SAYS PUBLIC OR PRIVATE RIGHT AWAY.
WHY DON'T, MIKE, WHY DON'T YOU DOUBLE CHECK THAT? 'CAUSE WHEN I WAS READING IT, I THOUGHT IT WAS SAYING IT SOUNDED AS THOUGH IT WAS EXCLUDING THE MUNICIPALITY.
SO AT ANY RATE, WHAT I WOULD LIKE EVERYONE TO DO ON THE C A C IS IF YOU SEE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD OTHER THAN POET'S CORNERS, OR IF IT'S
IT'S INCLUDES SUCH A BIG AREA WHERE YEARS AGO THE, THE DIFFERENT AREAS HAD DIFFERENT SECTION NAMES.
I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT ON OUR SIDE, TERRY, BUT I'LL KEEP AN EYE OUT.
IF YOU SEE IT ANYWHERE, FOLKS, YOU KNOW THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN THE BIG POLLS AND THEY'RE REALLY TAKING DOWN TREES.
LET LET AARON KNOW ABOUT IT SO WE CAN GET A BETTER GAUGE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
I KNOW THEY'RE GONNA TRY AND GET A GAUGE OF WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS JUST, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? ONE BLOCK.
BUT IF THIS IS SOMETHING THEY'RE PLANNING TO ROLL OUT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE TOWN, THIS IS GONNA HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON THE NUMBER OF TREES WE HAVE.
AND EVEN IF IT'S THE TOWN'S PROBLEM TO REPLANT THE, THE COST TO THE TOWN ARE TRYING, COULD NOT GET, I THINK DO IT IF, IF THAT WERE THE CASE.
SO, TERRY, CAN I, I READ, UH, AND THIS IS IN YOUR EMAIL THAT YOU SENT TO AARON A FEW DAYS AGO.
IT SAYS, IF REQUESTED BY THE PUBLIC OR PRIVATE GRANT OR THE RIGHT OF WAY, WE PLAN A REPLACEMENT TREE FOR EACH SUCH TREE CUT TOP TO REMOVE.
BUT LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF, UM, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE RIGHT OF WAY.
BUT, BUT THERE'S A DEFINITION I THINK IN THE DEFINITION EXCLUDES THE MUNICIPALITY.
LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF AN R O, UH, RIGHT OF WAY.
SHE COULDN'T GET IT QUICKLY ON THE SCREEN.
WE CAN SEE THE DOCUMENT THAT ALWAYS HAPPENS.
THAT THAT'S DONNA, CAN YOU DO THIS? DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER SCREEN THAT YOU CAN POP UP? THE TOWN CODE TWO 60 A YES.
AND I GUESS TERRY, LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF RIGHT AWAY.
O O W WELL YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING THAT UP.
I'VE NOTICED IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I HAVEN'T SEEN TREES COME DOWN, BUT I'M NOTICING THEY'RE PUTTING IN THE NEW TALLER POLE, BUT LEAVING THE OLD POLE.
SO NOW THERE'S SIDE BYSIDE POLES, WHICH IS QUITE UGLY.
I I THINK EVENTUALLY THEY'LL TAKE THEM OUT, HOPEFULLY.
THE WIRES, THEY, THEY COMPLETE, THEY MANAGED TO KNOCK OUT THE ELECTRIC IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ALMOST A HALF HOUR WHEN THEY'RE WORKING.
OKAY, SO YOU WANT THE DEFINITION FOR RIGHT OF WAY.
I THINK THAT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS CONCERNING ME.
AN EASEMENT OR OTHER RIGHT OF WAY, WHETHER GRANTED BY A PUBLIC CORPORATION OR A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER ON WHICH A DISTRIBUTION LINE IS SITUATED.
YOU, YOU'VE ANSWERED THE QUESTION, WHETHER GRANTED BY A PUBLIC CORPORATION TOWN GREENBERG'S A PUBLIC CORPORATION, BUT, BUT READ PUBLIC CORPORATION.
DO I HAVE A DEFINITION OF PUBLIC CORPORATION? THERE, THERE WAS SOMETHING THERE.
THEY WERE EXCLUDING MUNICIPALITY.
I THOUGHT I, THERE IS NO DEFINITION FOR EITHER OF THOSE TWO DEPARTMENT
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ENTITY.I HAVE THE DEFINITION OF ENTITY.
ANY CORPORATION I THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA HELP YOU.
NO, BUT DOESN'T ENTITY EXCLUDE MUNICIPALITY? NO.
ANY CORPORATION LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY PARTNERSHIP, LIMITED PARTNERSHIP OR OTHER, MAYBE THIS IS WHAT YOU MEAN.
OR OTHER NON MUNICIPAL ENTERPRISE RECOGNIZED BY THE STATE OF NEW YORK OR ITS AGENTS AND CONTRACTORS.
BUT, BUT SEE THAT'S NOT RELEVANT, TERRY, BECAUSE THE, BECAUSE THAT WORD IS NOT USED IN THE DEFINITION OF R O W RIGHT AWAY SAYS A MUNICIPAL CORPORATION.
I, BECAUSE I THINK AARON FEELS THAT WE, BECAUSE AARON ALSO AARON HAD COME BACK AND SAID WE COULDN'T, WOULD HAVE TO COME OUTTA THE TREE FUND.
THAT'S WHEN I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE LAW.
SO WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO TALK TO AARON ABOUT THAT.
SO, 'CAUSE THEN WE REALIZED WE GO AFTER CONED ON THIS.
THE ONLY THING IT IS, IS UNLIKE THE TREE LAW THAT THE TOWN BOARD PASSED A COUPLE YEARS AGO, WHICH IS A MANDATORY REQUIREMENT, UH, TO REPLANT, UH, IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES, THIS ONE IS IF REQUESTED BY THE GRANTOR OF THE PUBLIC OR PRIVATE RIGHT AWAY.
SO IT SAYS IF REQUEST B IF REQUESTED BY THE PUBLIC OR PRIVATE GRANTOR OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, WE PLANT A REPLACEMENT TREE FOR EACH SUCH TREE CUT.
SO AARON'S RIGHT TO THE EXTENT THAT IF THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS DOES NOTHING, THERE'S NO OBLIGATION CONED.
BUT IF THE TOWN, THE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION, THE TOWN OF GREENBERG MAKES THE REQUEST, CONED IS OBLIGATED TO REPLANT.
NOW, AFTER THE TREE LAW IS PASSED, WE, WE PUT TOGETHER A DRAFT UPDATE, TWO 60 A TO MAKE A, TO MAKE THE DEFINITION OF WHAT HAD TO BE REPLANTED DOVETAIL MORE INTO THE TREE LAW.
'CAUSE THIS IS JUST A KIND OF SUPPLANT A TREE.
BUT THIS WAS WRITTEN 15 YEARS AGO AND NOW WE HAVE SOME STANDARDS OF FOR, FOR THE REPLANTING, UM, YOU KNOW, UNDER THE TREE LAW.
BUT IF THE TOWN REQUESTED AND THAT I, SO IT HAS TO BE, IT'S ACTION POSITIVE ON THE TOWN.
I, I THINK THEN I'LL GO BACK TO AARON ON THAT.
'CAUSE WHAT HE HAD SAID, OH, WELL IT WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT OF THE TREE FUND.
SO THEN I WENT BACK TO LOOK AT THE LAW AND THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT THAT BECAUSE OF THAT, THAT MUNICIPAL EXCLUSION.
BUT OKAY, SO LET'S BE, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE HAVE TO COUNT 'EM.
BUT IF WE COUNT THEM, THEN WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO BACK AND ASK FOR THEM TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
BECAUSE PARTICULARLY IF THEY'RE GONNA REALLY DO WHOLESALE ON THIS, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE'RE SEEING IN IN NEIGHBORHOODS FIVE TREES GOING DOWN TWO BLOCKS, THAT'S A LOT OF TREES TO COME DOWN.
SO I MEAN, UH, WE, WE CAN UH, PERHAPS YOU OUGHT TO GO BACK TO AARON AND UH, WELL, YOU KNOW, UH, MAYBE, UH, UH, MAYBE YOU OUGHT TO BE PART OF THE MEETING THAT HE SAID SCHEDULING NEXT WEEK WITH, UH, WITH RICH.
UM, UM, BECAUSE IT IS A HUGE, UM, POTENTIAL IMPACTIVE EVENT DEPENDING ON HOW, ON WHAT THEY'RE GONNA CUT ALL.
I KNOW THAT THIS WAS THE ONLY TWO BLOCKS THEY HAD AN INTENT TO WORK ON.
BUT YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T DUNNO WHAT ELSE THEY'VE DONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT DIDN'T GO DOWN EVERY BLOCK, BUT THEY'VE BEEN STEADILY GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, REPLACING THE POLES.
SO I HAVE, THAT WAS JUST THE TWO BLOCKS THAT I HAPPENED TO COME DOWN WHERE I REALLY SAW IT.
MY, MY SCHEDULE NEXT WEEK IS PRETTY TIGHT ALREADY, SO I'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
BUT, UH, I DIDN'T, DOES ANYONE HAVE, DOES ANYONE HAVE AN INTEREST ON THE CAC AND, AND KIND BEING THE POINT PERSON ON THIS AND UH, UH, AND, AND, AND, AND TALKING WITH AARON ABOUT IT AND POSSIBLY TALKING WITH THE UH, UH, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS? GEORGE.
GEORGE, YOU ARE THE LUCKY WINNER AFTER, AFTER MUCH CONSULTING
IT'S TWO, IT'S TWO SIX A LOOK UP THE TOWN CODE.
UM, AND UM, UM, IT'S VERY SHORT.
IT'S NOT NEARLY OBVIOUSLY AS GOOD AS OUR EXISTING PRE-LAW BECAUSE IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SPECIFICITIES AS TO THE STANDARDS WE WORKED OUT WITH, UH, WITH AARON FOR THE REPLANTING.
BUT IT DOES REQUIRE REPLANTING IF REQUESTED.
I'LL UH, BECOME FAMILIAR WITH IT.
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WITH TOTAL POLES? WHAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT? UH, I, I DON'T KNOW.THERE SEEMS TO BE A BIGGER DISTANCE BETWEEN THE ELECTRIC THAT'S ON THE VERY TOP AND THE OTHERS.
I, I DON'T UNDERS I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THEY WOULD HAVE MORE IMPACT WITH THE WIND 'CAUSE THEY KEEP GETTING TALL.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THIS IS LIKE THE SECOND ITERATION AND THEY'RE GETTING TALLER.
'CAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT PICTURES FROM LIKE THE FIFTIES AND THE SIXTIES, THE POLLS WERE APPRECIABLY SHORTER THAN THEY ARE NOW.
HOWEVER, THEY'RE CARRYING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED THE HEIGHT, THEY'RE CARRYING SO MUCH MORE BECAUSE OF THE, UM, CABLE AND FIOS.
I MEAN THE WHOLE BOTTOM RUNG OF STUFF IS THICK AND HEAVY.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT A A, A TELEPHONE POLE HUNG IN A NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE SIXTIES, YOU'VE GOT YOUR ELECTRIC AND YOU'VE GOT THE TELEPHONE COMPANY, THERE'S LIKE TWO WIRES ON IT.
AND YOU LOOK AT THEM NOW, THERE'S SO MANY WIRES AND THEY'RE THICKER WIRES.
I MEAN, I WOULD THINK THE TALLER POLES AND THE WIND WOULD HAVE MORE, YOU KNOW, THE WIND WOULD IMPACT THE DANGER, THE LOWER ONES.
BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW QUITE WHAT THE RATIONALE IS, BUT THEY ARE APPRECIABLY TALLER.
I MEAN THEY'RE JUST, THEY REALLY, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN THEY LEAVE ONE NEXT TO IT, YOU DEFINITELY CAN SEE THAT THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE.
SO, UH, I WANNA POINT OUT TO EVERYONE, WE WILL BE GETTING SOMETHING, MATT'S GOING TO BE SENDING US A PROJECT FOR, UM, REVIEW FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
AND, UM, I WANTED TO ASK, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO COVER TONIGHT? NO, AND I, I THINK WE'VE KIND OF CO COVERED EVERYTHING TONIGHT.
UM, I WANNA THANK KEN AGAIN FOR TAKING THE TIME TO BE WITH US TONIGHT.
OKAY, SO I THINK THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT.
AND I JUST, I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY.
BEFORE WE GO, I JUST, I'M READING THROUGH MORE OF THAT SECTION, THAT TREE SECTION AND I THINK I FOUND THE SECTION THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO, TERRY, AND I THINK YOU MAY BE CORRECT ABOUT, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO TO PLANT A TREE, BUT LIKE IT REFERS BACK TO OTHER SECTIONS.
SO WITHOUT WE REALLY READING THROUGH IT CAREFULLY, I'M NOT QUITE SURE, BUT DO YOU WANNA AT LEAST READ IT? MAYBE OR YOU SURE.
EXCEPT FOR TREE PRUNING AND TRIMMING MAINTENANCE PRACTICES PERMITTED BY SUBSECTION A, ANY ENTITY CUTTING TOPPING OR REMOVING A TREE ON A RIGHT OF WAY SHALL IF REQUESTED BY THE PUBLIC OR PRIVATE GRANTER OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, REPLANT A REPLACEMENT TREE FOR EACH SUCH TREE CUT TOPPED OR REMOVED OR ICE CREAM OR CODE.
SO THEN I HAVE TO GO BACK TO SUBSECTION A, WHICH IS ENTITIES MAINTAINING RIGHT OF WAYS IN THE TOWN.
THAT'S WHY I'M LIKE, I'M NOT QUITE SURE, BUT I THINK THAT'S ACT AND THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT A'S SO I DON'T KNOW WHICH A THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, OH, WELL LISTEN, WE'LL, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, GEORGE WILL LOOK AT IT AND, AND WE'LL SEE.
DO YOU WANT TO BE PART OF A, A, A CALL WITH GEORGE AND TERRY, UH, LATER ON, ON THIS DONNA? UM, IF IT'S, IF I CAN LIKE, WORK-WISE, IF IT COINCIDES WITH THE TIME I KICK, GET ON SHORTER.
W W WITH SOME, BECAUSE WE HAVE A CALL ON THIS LIKE MAYBE SATURDAY MORNING THAT WORK FOR EVERYBODY.
I'M ACTUALLY, IF THE WEATHER PERMITS, I'M GONNA BE CUTTING IN BASE OF VINES AT V V MACY PARK.
WELL, WE'LL WE'LL SEE SOMETIME, BUT WE OUGHT TO SEE WHO, WE ALL AGREE WHAT THE LAW SAYS.
AND, UH, WELL MIKE, MAYBE THE THING TO DO WOULD BE, SINCE YOU'RE THE LAWYER, READ THROUGH IT AGAIN AND JUST SEE IF, BUT SOMEHOW WHEN I REREAD IT.
I SAID, OH, THAT'S WHY HE'S SAYING THIS.
BECAUSE I WAS SORT OF SURPRISED WHEN HE CAME BACK AND SAID IT HAD TO COME OUT OF OURS.
THERE MAY BE SOMETHING IN THERE THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT IT DOESN'T GIVE US THE RIGHT.
SO LET'S, LET'S SEE WHAT IT IS.
I ASKED A REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION, DONNA.
DONNA, WHO ARE YOU CUTTING VINES WITH? WHICH GROUP? UH, IT'S THE WESTCHESTER PARKS FOUNDATION.
YEAH, AND THEY HAVE THE, THE, THE BIG, UM, ANNUAL CLEANUP IS COMING UP, SO WE'LL PROBABLY END UP DOING THAT.
UM, WE USUALLY SIGN UP TO DO THE BRONX FOREVER PARKWAY.
MAYBE I'LL SEE YOU AT THAT ONE.
I'VE BEEN, ALRIGHT, WELL, UH, CAN
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SOMEBODY JUST TELL ME AGAIN WHAT WAS THE SECTION OF THE TOWN CODE THAT WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING? 2 6 2 68 2.SO I THINK THEN THAT IS IT FOR TONIGHT.
AND NEXT MEETING, THREE WEEKS AWAY FOR THIS ONE.
KEN, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE TIMING IS? WELL, UH, UM, UM, FIND IS, UH, THE, THE, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AT A PLANNING BOARD MEETING AS TO THE TIMING, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT KIND OF TOOK INTO ACCOUNT FROM WHAT I RECALL, WHAT THE TOWN, THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION AT THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING ABOUT TIMING, UM, BETWEEN HUGH AND STEINITZ, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THE TIMING OF THE TOWN BOARD.
DO, DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT TOWN BOARDS GOT ANY? UM, I THINK WE WERE SUPPOSED TO MAKE A DECISION BY FRIDAY.
WHEN, WHEN, OH NO, NO, NO, NO.
THAT WAS WHEN, THAT'S WHEN THE RECORD, WHEN THE, WHEN THE RECORD CLOSES.
THAT'S WHEN THE RECORD CLOSES.
YOU HAVE ANY I'M NOT SURE OF ANY OTHER DEADLINES.
WELL, THERE IS A DE THE REASON I ASK YOU IS THERE'S A DEADLINE IN THE STATUTE.
I THINK IT'S 30 DAYS, BUT I HAVE TO GO LOOK AT, BE SURE.
I THINK IT, I THINK THE LEAD AGENCY, WHICH THE TOWN BOARD FROM THE FILING TO DO THE FILING.
SO, UM, UH, AND UM, UM, AND IT WAS FILED I THINK FEBRUARY 9TH, 10TH, SOMETHING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, AND, UM, UH, YEAH, UH, THE LEAD AGENCY'S FILING OF WRITTEN FINDINGS MUST BE MADE WITHIN 30 CALENDAR DAYS AFTER THE FILING OF A FINAL.
NOW THAT CAN GET EXTENDED OF COURSE WITH AGREEMENT WITH, WITH, OF THE APPLICANT, BUT THE DISCUSSION I HEARD AT THE PLANNING BOARD ONLY CONCERNED GIVING THE PLANNING BOARD ENOUGH TIME TO, TO COME UP WITH ITS FINDINGS.
I, I I I, I DON'T RECALL DISCUSSION HEARD PUBLICLY ABOUT THE TOWN BOARD GETTING AN EXTENSION AND JUST, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS DON'T WANT TO PUT, UH, TO GIVE THE APPLICANT, UH, THE, UH, OPTION OF SAYING, UH, THE TOWN BOARD'S FINDINGS WERE NOT TIMELY AND THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME LEGAL PROBLEM WITH 'EM.
SO, UH, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER THE, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT OR WHETHER GE OR WHETHER THE C D N C HAS GOT SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT.
I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANT.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, I DUNNO WHAT THE
SO I THINK WE SHOULD BE OKAY, BUT I, I'LL, YOU KNOW, I CAN DOUBLE CHECK WITH GARY.
JUST, JUST TO BE SURE THAT THERE'S NOT SOME TECHNICAL GLITCH.
UM, BECAUSE I, I DON'T, I JUST DON'T KNOW.
I MAYBE IF ALL I KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S ALREADY AN EMAIL FROM STEIN TO GARRETT WITH A DATE ON IT.
I MEAN, I JUST, YOU KNOW, DON'T KNOW.
I JUST WANTED TO RAISE IT, BE SURE THAT DIDN'T GET SLIPPED BETWEEN THE CRACKS AND GIVE SOMEONE THE UH MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW, AN ISSUE THAT SHOULD BE, SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN'T BECOME AN ISSUE.
I THINK THAT'S IT FOR, THANK YOU.