[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH OFFICE OF THE TOWN BOARD 177 Hillside Avenue, Greenburgh, NY 10607 Tel: 914-989-1500 Fax: 914-993-1541 Email: JDudek@Greenburghny.com https://ny-greenburgh.civicplus.com/485/Watch-Live-Board-Meetings]
[00:00:08]
TALKING ABOUT, ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC CAMPAIGN? YEAH, JUST, YEAH.
THEY JUST ARE, IT'S A, UH, JUST A GENERAL INTRODUCTION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
THE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE, ON THE, UM, EAST IRVINGTON FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT MAY BE HELD OVER.
WE'RE WORKING THROUGH SOME ISSUES WITH THAT.
WELL, WE'LL KNOW BETTER TOMORROW.
AND WE HAVE THE TERMS FOR THE REAPPOINTMENTS.
UH, THEY JUST DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THIS VERSION OF THE, UH, AGENDA AND THE, YOU KNOW, ONE WAY, UM, POLICE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, UM, MADAM JOY, UM, ROBIN HILL, UM, EITHER THOSE THAT WILL BE DONE AS A TRIAL DURING THE MONTH OF MAY AND JUNE.
THE, IT'S, IT'S EVEN IN THE HEADING, RIGHT? EACH ONE OF THEM HANDS WHERE THEY FIRST STUDY PERIOD OF MAY AND JUNE, 2022.
WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO DO WHAT WE DID LAST WEEK AND AT THE END OF, UM, JUNE TO, UM, HAVE ANOTHER MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THEN HEAR THEIR, UH, FEEDBACK.
SO THIS WAY PEOPLE SEE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, WE COULD TELL PEOPLE THAT WE'LL BE BACK, WE'LL, WE'LL SPEAK TO THEM, UM, YOU KNOW, ON LOCATION AND, AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IMMEDIATELY AFTER, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE DECIDE IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE A PERMIT, SERGEANT RESON A CHANCE TO ACTUALLY ANALYZE WHATEVER DATA THERE IS AND MAKE IT AVAILABLE.
THE ISSUE IS, UH, IF THIS IS ONLY TILL JUNE, UM, WE SHOULD MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, BEFORE, UH, WE MAKE A DECISION WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT PERMANENT.
BECAUSE AFTER JUNE, AT THE END OF JUNE, THE, THE SIGNAGE IS OFF.
YOU KNOW, THE ONE WAY IS ONLY UNTIL UNTIL JUNE, RIGHT.
THE SURVEY OR QUESTIONNAIRE FIRST AND GET RIGHT.
THAT SOMETHING IN WRITING PUT, DISCUSS THAT WITH THE MAYBE, UM, THAT MAKES SENSE.
MAYBE THE, THE SURVEY RIGHT AFTER, RIGHT AFTER THE, UM, THE LAST, THE LAST, UM, TRIAL AND THEN SAY, OKAY, NOW YOU'VE ALREADY, OR YOU COULD DO IT AS THEY END, AS, AS EACH, AT THE END, AS, AS, AS EACH END END TRIAL PERIOD, YOU PUT A SURVEY TOGETHER AND SAY, OKAY, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS ONE, THEN AFTER THE SECOND ONE, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT ONE.
THEN AFTER THE THIRD ONE, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT ONE.
THEN WE CAN PUT ALL, GET ALL, GATHER ALL THE DATA AND PUT IT ALL TOGETHER, AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE, IN TIME, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA TO REVIEW ALL THAT.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, AT THE END OF JUNE, IT GOES BACK TO BEING, UH, TWO WAYS, UH, UNLESS, SO WHILE WE COULD HAVE DONE IS IF WE HAD, UM, A MEETING WITH A COMMUNITY SAYING MID, LET'S SAY THIS, IT'S WORKING.
WE HAVE A MEETING WITH A COMMUNITY IN MID-JUNE, THEN WE COULD BASICALLY JUST EXTEND IT RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, IT TAKES TIME FOR PEOPLE TO GET USED TO.
BY THE END OF JUNE, PEOPLE MAY BE USED TO THIS.
AND, UM, BUT WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS AT THAT POINT, WHEN YOU DO, YOU HAVE SOME KIND OF SURVEY SO WE CAN GAUGE WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING AND THEN CERTAINLY GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND TALK ABOUT IT.
BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF WHAT THEY'RE FEELING AND WHAT THE TENOR IS BEFORE WE GO OUT.
BUT WE HAVE TO BE CLEAR, SERGEANT REX AND OUR TRAFFIC EXPERT IS SAYING THAT IN HIS OPINION, IT SHOULDN'T BE A TRIAL, A STUDY PERIOD.
IT IT SHOULD BE PERMANENT BECAUSE OF THE HAZARDS OF HAVING THE TWO-WAY TRAFFIC.
BUT I THINK WE, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S GOOD THAT WE REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND WE GET THEIR OPINIONS, UM, AND MAYBE SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN TO CONVINCE HIM OTHERWISE.
BUT, UM, IF THE TRAFFIC EXPERT FOR THE TOWN WHO'S WENT TO THOSE LITTLE LOCAL SCHOOLS, LIVED IN THAT AREA AND KNOWS THE STREETS VERY WELL, IS SAYING FROM A SAFETY PER UH, PERSPECTIVE, UH, THIS IS WHAT THE TOWN NEEDS TO DO.
[00:05:01]
OVERRIDE THE EXPERT'S OPINION? YOU KNOW? WELL, I DON'T WANNA PUT OUT A SURVEY THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, UH, HAVE THE EXPECTATION THAT IF THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT.UM, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU, YOU MANAGE THE SURVEY.
I'M, I'M SUGGESTING THAT, THAT IT'S NOT ONLY A, A YES OR NO, WE LIKE, OR WE DON'T LIKE, BUT WHAT IS IT THAT WORKED BEST FOR YOU AND DID YOU FEEL SAFER? YOU FEEL SAFER, AND YEAH.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEN WE HAVE, I THINK WE, THE REASON WE MADE IT THROUGH JUNE WAS BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN SCHOOL ENDS.
SO, SO THEN WE HAVE THAT HONEYMOON PERIOD.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S CAMP OR ANYTHING THAT NEEDS THAT KIDS WILL BE WALKING IN ANY GREAT NUMBERS, BUT NO, HE'S, HE'S, YOU KNOW, HE'S, UM, ACCEPTING OF THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IT FOR THESE TWO MONTHS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT IT AGAIN, WHICH WE'LL DO.
I, I JUST, I, I JUST DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, A RESULT OF A SURVEY OF HOW PEOPLE MAY FEEL ABOUT A SAFETY ISSUE.
UM, IF THEY, MAJORITY OF THEM DON'T WANT IT, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT.
AND I MEAN, MAYBE THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD, I WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE IN ADVANCE.
I, I THINK THAT THE ISSUE, EVERYBODY, WE NEVER SAID THAT THIS IS A, A, A POPULARITY DECISION.
SO, SO, BUT THE THING IS, SOME OF THE RESIDENTS WHO OBJECT TO THIS FEEL THAT IT'S GONNA MAKE IT LESS SAFE THEN MORE SAFE.
SO THE ISSUE IS IF THEY COULD PROVIDE US WITHIN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS WITH DOCUMENTATION, WHY, IN THEIR OPINION IT'S NOT SAFER, THEN THAT WILL BE HELPFUL TO, YOU KNOW, TO US IT WOULD ALSO, WELL, IT'S NOT BIT OF OPINION AND FOR PEOPLE, IF I MAY, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE WILL BE GUIDED BY THE, WHETHER IT'S CONVENIENT OR INCONVENIENT FOR THEM, SO THEY CAN COME UP WITH ANY NUMBER OF REASONS OF WHY THEY WOULD FEEL IT MIGHT NOT BE SAFER.
BUT REALLY LET, LET'S JUST HAVE SOME REAL GAUGE OF, OF SAFETY AND, AND WE, AND IF WE DO A SURVEY, THEN IT SHOULD BE, IT SHOULD BE WRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY, NOT AS A REFERENDUM ON WHETHER PEOPLE LIKE IT OR NOT, AS FRANCIS SAID, BUT RIGHT.
AND ALSO I THINK THE POLICE, WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR POLICE, UM, ENFORCE, YOU KNOW, MONITORING IT AND CHECKING, YOU KNOW, I, I ASSUME BECAUSE WE'VE DONE THESE TYPES OF THINGS IN THE PAST THAT FOR THE FIRST COUPLE DAYS THERE'S GONNA BE SOME PROBLEMS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, CALMS DOWN AFTER A WEEK OR SO.
OH, UH, RIDGE, WHY ARE WE RENTING A JET TRUCK? GREAT QUESTION.
WAIT UNTIL YOU GET TO THE MICROPHONE TO REPEAT THAT.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN LEAVE OUT THE POD ABOUT THE GREAT QUESTION.
'CAUSE I KNOW YOU DIDN'T HEAR ME.
WHY ARE WE RENTING A JET TRUCK? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
SO THE TOWN HAS TWO JET TRUCKS.
UM, ONE OF THEM IS OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT.
IT'S A, THE WATER TRUCK'S OLD THAT WE REPLACED SOME YEARS AGO.
AND IT'S, IT'S GROPING DOWN TO, BROKEN DOWN TO THE POINT WHERE IT NEEDS SOME REAL ATTENTION.
AND THE WATER SHOPS IS EVERY OTHER WEEK IT'S IN AND IT NEEDS REAL ATTENTION.
BUT 'CAUSE OF EVERYTHING GOING ON NOW WITH THE SUPPLY CHAIN, WE'RE STILL A LONG TIME OUT.
TEMPORARY MEASURE, AND IT IS AN EMERGENCY.
THIS TRUCK GOES OUT DAILY TO DEAL WITH SEWER BACKUPS, JETTING OF, UH, SEWER LINES.
WE USE IT TO EXCAVATE AROUND WATER MAINS WHEN THEY BREAK.
'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT DIGGING, YOU'RE SUCKING UP.
SO IT'S AN INCREDIBLE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
IT IS, UH, VERY HARD TO, UH, GET PARTS FOR NOW.
AND ONE, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THERE IS A NEED FOR A JET TRUCK, UM, AND IT'S NOT LIKE THE NAME IMPLIES, IT GIVES A JET STREAM AS OPPOSED TO IT'S NOT ANYTHING LIKE A JET OR A MOTOR, UH, OR
[00:10:01]
A, OR A JET ENGINE.UM, IS BECAUSE INCREASINGLY AS PEOPLE MOVE MORE AND MORE TO LOW FLUSH TOILETS, OUR SEWER SYSTEMS WERE DESIGNED FOR THE OLD FASHIONED TOILET WHERE YOU FLUSH THE TOILET AND THREE OR FOUR GALLONS WENT DOWN THE DRAIN.
NOW, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SEEING ONE LITER OR, UM, PROBABLY NOT ONE LITER, BUT MAYBE ONE GALLON, ONE GALLON, UH, FLUSH TOILETS.
AND IT JUST, YOU DON'T HAVE THE VOLUME THERE TO MOVE THINGS ALONG.
AND SO EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE YOU HAVE TO GO OUT WITH A JET TRUCK TO HELP IT.
AND SO AS, AS UNPLEASANT AS IT IS TO DISCUSS, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY MUCH NEEDED.
AND IN LARGE PART BECAUSE OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
YOU'RE TRYING TO SAVE MONEY, UH, WATER, CONSERVE WATER, UH, BUT THEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE FLOW THAT YOU NEED TO MOVE SOME THINGS ALONG AND, AND OTHERWISE THERE'S, THERE'S JUST REGULAR BLOCKAGES AS WELL.
BUT ANY, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME YOU MAKE A CHANGE IS OBVIOUSLY GOOD AND BAD WITH ANYTHING.
AND ALSO, IF YOU HAVE YOUR DRAIN OPEN IN YOUR BASEMENT, THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING.
SOME, SOME PEOPLE UNCAP THEIR DRAIN AND THEN A JET TRUCK COMES ALONG AND YOUR, YOUR BASEMENT BACKS UP.
UH, THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING TO KEEP THAT DRAIN UNPLUGGED IN CASE YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA FLOW FOR A LOT OF REASONS, ESPECIALLY THE GASES THAT A SEWER WILL, YOU KNOW, THE SEWER GASES MM-HMM.
SO A LITTLE EDUCATIONAL, UH, PROMOTION TO THE DAY.
CAP, CAP THAT, CAP THAT DRAIN IN THE BASEMENT.
UH, UH, GARY, DO YOU WANNA MAYBE MENTION THE CANNABIS? SURE.
SO, CD ONE IS A RESOLUTION OF THE TOWN BOARD TO, UH, ACCEPT A LOCAL LAW REGARDING THE REGULATION OF CANNABIS AND DECLARE LEAD AGENCY INTENT FOR PURPOSES OF ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
AND THEN RECOMMEND THAT THE, OR I'M SORRY, REFER THE, UH, LOCAL LAW TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS A FUNCTION OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT.
SO AN OVERVIEW OF CD ONE, THIS LOCAL LAW, IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT'S NOT ONLY REGULATES RETAIL CANNABIS, WHICH THE TOWN BOARD OPTED IN, WHICH IS THE OPPOSITE OF NOT OPTING OUT
SO IT REGULATES, UH, RETAIL CANNABIS.
IT DEFINES AND REGULATES RETAIL CANNABIS FULLY ENCLOSED, UH, COMMERCIAL USE.
IT DEFINES, UH, MEDICAL CANNABIS DISPENSARIES.
WE'LL USE THE TERM OPT IN OF, UH, RETAIL.
UH, AND THAT RESOLUTION TO HAVE THIS USE FROM A RETAIL PERSPECTIVE, UM, ADDED TO THE NORTHERN SECTION OF THE TOWN IN THE PD DISTRICT.
UM, THAT IS WHAT THE LOCAL LAW DOES.
SO IT REGULATES BY SPECIAL PERMIT, BY APPROVAL OF THE TOWN BOARD RETAIL CANNABIS USES IN THE PD NON-RESIDENTIAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
UM, IT HAS A SERIES OF CRITERIA, UM, THAT, THAT GOVERN BOTH, UH, SPECIFIC AND GENERAL CRITERIA FOR ONE TO APPLY FOR THAT SPECIAL PERMIT.
THE LAW, UH, DEFINES A SERIES OF TERMS SUCH AS COMMERCIAL CANNABIS, CULTIVATOR, CANNABIS DISTRIBUTOR, UM, CANNABIS NURSERY, CANNABIS PROCESSOR.
UM, NOW NEW YORK STATE INDICATES THAT THOSE, ALL THOSE USES I JUST NAMED YOU CANNOT PROHIBIT.
SO IF WE'RE SILENT ON THEM, WHAT THE MARKET WILL DO, WE'LL JUST INTERPRET OUR EXISTING CODE AND SAY, OKAY, WELL YOU ALLOW WAREHOUSING, WE, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, COME IN UNDER THAT.
AND, UM, WAREHOUSING IS A PERMITTED USE IN MANY DISTRICTS, AND THAT'S WHAT THE INTERPRETATION WOULD BE.
SO, UM, THE INTENT HERE IS TO, UM, HAVE LOGICAL, UH, PROVISIONS RELATED TO ALL THOSE, UH, ANCILLARY CANNABIS USES.
AND THE APPROACH WE TOOK WAS ALSO TO UTILIZE THE PD DISTRICT, BUT ALSO ADD THE GENERAL INDUSTRIAL GI DISTRICT AND THEI LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
AND ONE OF THE, I THINK MOST IMPORTANT COMPONENTS IS THAT IN EACH INSTANCE, THESE USES MUST BE FULLY ENCLOSED.
UM, SO WHAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IS A PROPOSAL FOR, UM, A SEVERAL ACRES IN A ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT.
SOMEONE GOING, COMING IN AND SAYING, OH, I'D LIKE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, AN OUTDOOR, UH, HEMP, UH, FARM, OR CAN I WANNA GROW, CAN CANNABIS FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES? UM, WHICH COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, OWNERS AND IMPACTS ON OUR COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, BY BEING SPECIFIC HERE, NAMING THE DISTRICTS, HAVING IT A SPECIAL
[00:15:01]
PERMIT USE, IDENTIFYING PARKING AND LOADING REQUIREMENTS, SPECIFYING THAT THE USE HAS TO BE FULLY ENCLOSED, I THINK THAT GIVES CERTAINTY TO THE INDUSTRY.AND THERE COULD BE A, YOU KNOW, A DISTRIBUTOR THAT WANTS TO LOCATE IN GREENBURG, UM, SOMEWHERE IN WAREHOUSE LANE OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT.
AND, UM, AND TO ME, WE SEE IT AS AN EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY.
UM, SO THAT'S REALLY, UH, THE INTENT WITH THE LOCAL LAW.
IT'S INTENDED TO BE COMPREHENSIVE.
UM, I KNOW WE'RE GONNA HEAR COMMENTS FROM RESIDENTS AND, UH, WE'LL LISTEN TO THEM.
UH, BUT THIS IS REALLY A LAUNCH POINT THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE DIRECTION THAT THE TOWN BOARD, UM, TOOK WHEN IT OPTED INTO CANNABIS RETAIL.
IS THERE ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH, UM, H V A C SYSTEMS BEING, UM, UPGRADED FOR ANY ODOR? I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT THEIR DISPENSARY'S NOT FOR USAGE, BUT, RIGHT.
SO I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S ANYTHING.
WE DON'T SPECIFY, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OR HOW MANY OR WHAT LEVEL OF, UM, UM, HVAC UNITS NEED TO BE INSTALLED.
BUT WE ABSOLUTELY STATE THAT AS PART OF THE SPECIAL PERMIT CRITERIA, WHETHER IT'S THE, UH, INDOOR CULTIVATION, INDOOR DISTRIBUTION, UM, WHAT HAVE YOU, ANY ASPECT THAT'S REQUIRING A SPECIAL PERMIT.
THERE'S NO PERMITTED USES AND EVERYTHING I'M DISCUSSING IT ABSOLUTELY DISCUSSES, UM, VENTILATION AND PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN REVIEW IT, MAKE SURE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH CODE, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ADEQUATE.
SO, UM, IT IS IN HERE AND THAT IS A FUNCTION.
SO WHEN AN APPLICANT COMES IN, THEY WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE, UM, SITE PLAN, UH, YOU KNOW, INDICATING SECURITY MEASURES, UM, FIRE PREVENTION MEASURES, UM, ODOR PREVENTION, THAT TYPE OF THING.
JUST, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE OF THAT.
'CAUSE THAT IS GONNA BE A CONCERN.
I'M, I THINK, AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME MORE EXTRAORDINARY, UH, HVAC, UM, IMPLEMENTATION.
SO GARRETT, UM, WE HAVE ALREADY HAD, UH, RESIDENTS COME TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE TO INQUIRE ABOUT, UM, WHERE THEY CAN OPEN A CANNABIS BUSINESS.
UH, SO SHOULD THOSE QUESTIONS CONTINUE, SHOULD PEOPLE CONTINUE WALKING TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE, WHICH IS QUITE NORMAL.
UM, PEOPLE, CLERK'S OFFICE IS THE FIRST STOP, UH, OF, OF INFORMATION FOR MANY PEOPLE IN OUR TOWN.
SHOULD WE DIRECT THEM TO YOU? SHOULD WE, UH, DIRECT THEM TO THE WEBSITE? UM, WHAT'S THE BEST, UH, ANSWER TO DIRECTING, UH, INDIVIDUALS TO A, A AREA WHERE THEY CAN GET SPECIFIC INFORMATION ON HOW TO OPEN UP A BUSINESS? SO THE TIMING ON THAT QUESTION IS GOOD, BECAUSE IF YOU ASKED ME THIS QUESTION TWO WEEKS AGO MM-HMM.
UM, IF THIS LOCAL LAW IS REFERRED AND THE PROCESS HAS STARTED TOMORROW, WHAT WE CAN DO IS, UM, ALERT, UH, SOMEONE THAT THIS LOCAL LAW IS HOSTED ON OUR WEBSITE.
'CAUSE WE PUT ALL THIS STUFF ON THE TOWN WEBSITE, ALL THESE DOCUMENTS ON THE TOWN WEBSITE, AND, UM, YEAH, THEY CAN READ IT AND UM, OR THEY CAN ALSO CALL AND WE CAN LIKE, WALK THEM THROUGH HOW THIS WORKS.
BUT, UM, ULTIMATELY THERE'S REALLY NOT TOO MUCH SPECIFIC INFORMATION BECAUSE THE TOWN BOARD WILL UNDERGO THIS PROCESS AND THIS LAW COULD CHANGE.
UM, SO ULTIMATELY UNTIL THIS LOCAL LAW IS PASSED, I CAN'T GIVE DEFINITIVE, BUT, UM, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DIRECT SOMEONE TO THIS LOCAL LAW SO THEY'RE AWARE THAT THE TOWN BOARD'S GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE ANY THE BEST INFORMATION WE HAVE AT THE TIME.
AND WILL THEY HAVE TO OBTAIN CERTAIN PERMITS FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT? UH, MOST DEFINITELY.
SO ON THE LAND USE SIDE OF THINGS, WE CALL THE LAND USE BOARD APPROVAL, SPECIAL PERMIT TOWN BOARD.
IF IT'S A NEW BUILDING, IT COULD ALSO TRIGGER SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
UM, BUT ABSOLUTELY YOU'D HAVE TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT.
AND THEN, UH, MOST IMPORTANT, NOT MOST IMPORTANTLY, BUT VERY IMPORTANT, UH, THE NEW YORK STATE OFFICE MANAGEMENT.
SO, UM, ULTIMATELY, UM,
SO THERE'S GONNA BE SOME OVERLAP.
SO ACTUALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, I'M GONNA SEND YOU AN EMAIL TONIGHT OR TOMORROW.
YOU AND, UM, WE'LL HAVE YOU, YOU KNOW, DIRECT THEM TO OUR DEPARTMENT.
BUT ULTIMATELY, YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK WITH NEW YORK STATE.
AND, UH, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, NEW YORK STATE WANTS TO BE IN COMMUNICATION WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEIR LOCAL LAWS WORK.
BECAUSE IF SOMEONE GOES TO NEW YORK STATE AND IT'S IN A ZONE THAT DOESN'T PERMIT IT, YOU KNOW, NEW YORK STATE WANTS TO KNOW THAT, OH, THEY'RE NOT GONNA WASTE THEIR TIME GIVING A LICENSE TO A DISPENSARY THAT IS NOT PERMITTED IN THAT, YOU KNOW, ZONE DISTRICT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF SYNERGY THAT I THINK WILL HAPPEN BETWEEN NEW YORK STATE AND THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
IS THE OFFICE OF CANNABIS MANAGEMENT GIVING GUIDANCE ON WHAT KIND OF, UM, CRITERIA SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED OR, YOU KNOW, SOME
[00:20:01]
BOILERPLATE GUIDANCE THAT I THINK IT'S GETTING MORE FOCUSED.UM, BUT TO MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, THERE ARE NOT LICENSES THAT ARE BEING ISSUED YET.
UM, YEAH, THEY DIDN'T EXPECT IT WOULD BE UNTIL NEXT YEAR IN SOME OF THE INDUSTRY AREAS LIKE DISTRIBUTOR AND SOME UPSTATE LIKE FARMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THEY ARE DOING.
BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LICENSE APPLICATION THAT'S AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW TO GET A LICENSE FOR, UM, UH, RECREATIONAL DISPEN.
I'M JUST ONE WONDERING IF THERE FOR YOU TO HAVE PULLED THIS TOGETHER MM-HMM.
UM, THERE ARE A SERIES OF, OF DOCUMENTS THAT, UM, KIND OF FUNCTION IN AN F A Q LIKE FASHION, AND I ACTUALLY LEANED ON THEM HEAVILY FOR SOME OF THESE DEFINITIONS.
AND WE DEFINITELY LOOKED AT OTHER STATES.
WE LOOKED AT, UM, OTHER LOCAL JURISDICTIONS IN NEW YORK STATE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
AND, UM, WE KIND OF LIKE DO WHAT WE DO AND WE PULL WHEN WE SEE LIKE, YOU KNOW, COMPREHENSIVE TYPE, YOU KNOW, LEGISLATION AND CRITERIA THAT MAKES SENSE.
SO THAT'S, WE KIND OF LIKE GOT FROM A VARIETY OF SOURCES, BUT DEFINITELY FROM OFFICE OF CANNABIS MANAGEMENT WAS ONE OF THOSE SOURCES.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA? YOUR AMENDMENTS TO THE DESIGN SHOPPING? YES.
CD TWO, ALSO A LOCAL LAW, UH, WITH REGARD TO THE DSS DESIGNED SHOPPING DISTRICT.
UM, SO THIS IS A STAFF INITIATED LOCAL LAW, AND, UM, THIS IS THE FIRST OF SEVERAL THAT I HOPE TO, UH, BRING TO THE TOWN BOARD'S ATTENTION, UM, THIS YEAR.
AND, UM, I WOULD DESCRIBE THIS LOCAL LAW, THE DSS DISTRICT AS BOTH A, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, KIND OF, UH, ORIENTED LOCAL LAW, BUT WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I GET A LOT OF PHONE CALLS WITH A LOT OF, UH, DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT PEOPLE SEEK TO, YOU KNOW, DEVELOP DIFFERENT PROPERTIES IN THE TOWN, PARTICULARLY THE, UH, COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS.
AND I KEEP LOGS OF ALL OF THEM.
AND, UM, SOMETIMES I, UH, AT THIS POINT WITH THE DSS DISTRICT, I KIND OF HAVE A LOG OF ABOUT, UM, THREE TO FOUR CALLS WITH USES THAT I'VE REALLY, YOU KNOW, TALKED WITH OTHER STAFF AND, UH, HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT THEY, IT SEEMS AS IF THEY MAKE, UH, GREAT PLANNING SENSE FOR THE DSS DISTRICT.
SO, IN SHORT, THE DSS DISTRICT LOCAL LAW THAT I'VE BROUGHT BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION TO START THE PROCESS, REFER TO THE PLANNING BOARD, WOULD BROADEN THE DSS DISTRICT TO ALLOW, UM, ADULT DAYCARE.
WE HAVE ONE ACROSS THE STREET HERE FROM TOWN HALL, UM, THAT IS A USE THAT'S NOT PERMITTED IN THE DSS DESIGN SHOPPING DISTRICT CHILD DAYCARE.
THAT'S A USE THAT'S NOT PERMITTED IN THE DSS DESIGN SHOPPING DISTRICT.
OFFICE BUILDING AND MEDICAL OFFICE IS ANOTHER USE THAT'S NOT ALLOWED IN THE DSS DESIGN SHOPPING DISTRICT CAR DEALERSHIP.
THOSE ARE THE PRIMARY ADDITIONS THAT I'M SUGGESTING.
UM, I FEEL THAT IF ENACTED, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS I DO FEEL THAT, UM, OBVIOUSLY IT ALLOWS A GREATER VARIETY OF OPTIONS TO PEOPLE THAT ARE SEEKING TO FILL VACANCIES, BUT I DO FEEL THAT, UM, THIS WILL DO JUST THAT.
IT'LL PUT THE TOWN IN THE BEST POSITION TO FILL VACANCIES IN THE DSS DISTRICT.
WHERE IS THE DSS DISTRICT? THE DSS DISTRICT'S? PRIMARILY, UM, ON ONE 19 IN A FEW DIFFERENT POCKETS.
ROUTE NINE A, UH, THE INTERSECTION OF, UM, NORWOOD ROAD AND, UM, UH, ROUTE 100 C IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE TOWN.
UM, THE NORWOOD SHOPPING CENTER OR ACME IS OKAY.
THOSE ARE REALLY THE PRIMARY POCKETS OF DSS AND IT'S, I BELIEVE IT'S VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH DOESN'T STATE THE EXACT USES THAT YOU SHOULD ADD TO DIFFERENT DISTRICTS.
BUT THE GENERAL PRINCIPLE IS LET'S NOT HAVE DISTRICTS SO NARROWLY FOCUSED WHERE YOU'RE RULING OUT USES.
UM, AND WHAT I'M SEEING IS THE DSS DISTRICT IN THE YEAR 2022 IS REALLY LIKE RESTAURANT AND RETAIL.
UM, WE LIKE THOSE USES, BUT WHEN THOSE ARE THE ONLY THINGS OFFERED FOR A GOOD CHUNK OF SITES ON ONE 19 AND HIGH TRAFFIC AREAS, IT'S LIMITING.
AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S KEEPING VACANCIES THERE LONGER THAN THEY SHOULD BE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA FILL SOME VACANCIES WITH SOME GOOD USES.
UM, IT'S, IT'S, WE'RE NOT JUST SIMPLY LIKE MAKING THIS THE OB DISTRICT.
I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THE OTHER DISTRICTS IN THE TOWN.
IT'S NOT THE OB DISTRICT, IT'S NOT THE L L O B DISTRICT.
[00:25:01]
A GOOD DIRECTION.OH, LASTLY, UM, WITH RE RESPECT TO RESTAURANTS, UM, WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE WAY RESTAURANTS ARE REGULATED IN THE DSS DISTRICT PRESENTLY.
RESTAURANTS, UM, GIVE YOU CLASSIC EXAMPLE, PROHIBIT CURB SERVICE, RIGHT? SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT 2022 OR EVEN 2018, WHAT'S HAPPENING, YOU PLACE AN ORDER THROUGH AN APP AT, UM, YOU KNOW, CHIPOTLE, YOU PULL UP TO THE DESIGNATED SPOT THAT THEY HAVE, SOMEONE COMES OUT AND BRINGS YOU THAT FOOD.
YOU LOVE IT, IT'S CONVENIENT, YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY.
UM, IT'S NOT THE NIGHT WHERE YOU WANT TO GO INSIDE AND EAT AT THAT RESTAURANT THAT IS PROHIBITED IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW.
SO I FEEL LIKE THAT IS JUST, UM, YOU COULD HAVE RESTAURANTS THAT LEGITIMATELY WANT TO COME TO THE TOWN OF B GREENBURG AND WILL SAY, WOW, IF YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT IF I COME TO YOUR TOWN AND I HAVE EIGHT SPOTS DESIGNATED FOR THIS APP, AND I'M GONNA GET A FINE EVERY DAY UNTIL I REMOVE THOSE SPOTS, I THINK WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS THAT RESTAURANT'S GONNA SAY, WOW, TOWN OF GREENBURG, WE CANNOT, WE CANNOT WORK WITH YOU.
UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT, IT'S THE NATURE OF BUSINESS AND HOW RESTAURANTS ARE FUNCTIONING.
SO THERE ARE SOME TWEAKS TO THE WAY RESTAURANTS ARE TREATED.
I'M USING THIS AS SORT OF A LITMUS TEST.
IF WE GET, YOU KNOW, GOOD FEEDBACK FROM EXISTING RESTAURANTS, FROM THE COMMUNITY, UM, IF THE TOWN BOARD FEELS COMFORTABLE, THE INTENT WILL BE TO HAVE THAT, THESE UPDATES TO THE RESTAURANT, THE WAY WE TREAT RESTAURANTS MADE TO OTHER DISTRICTS.
I DIDN'T WANT TO JUST DROP THIS IN EVERY DISTRICT IN THE TOWN.
IF THE TOWN BOARD DOESN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT I'M SUGGESTING TO DO TO RESTAURANTS, THAT'S OKAY.
WE CAN TAKE IT OUT AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF GO WITH THE OTHER THINGS.
BUT I JUST KIND OF, I JUST FEEL LIKE I WANNA MODERNIZE THE WAY WE TREAT RESTAURANTS.
I DON'T WANT OUR, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES TO BE AT A DISADVANTAGE TO PRETTY MUCH A LOT OF OTHER PLACES.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE THE KEY COMPONENTS OF THE DSS DISTRICT CHANGES, BUT ONCE YOU GIVE SOMETHING, IT'S HARD TO TAKE IT AWAY.
WELL, DO YOU FEEL, I MEAN, I ASSUME THAT WITH, BECAUSE OF COVID, THAT GAVE RISE TO THAT KIND OF SERVICE, AND I THINK PEOPLE FOUND IT VERY CONVENIENT.
DO YOU SEE IT GOING AWAY? NO, I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT.
SO IT INCREASES, ACCOMMODATE TO ME, WE'VE LEARNED A LOT IN THESE LAST TWO YEARS.
SO WE SHOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT WE'VE LEARNED JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD STAY AFLOAT.
WE HAVE SO WHEN YOU SAY, UM, YOU MEAN IF THIS IS PROPOSED, IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO TAKE IT OUT, RIGHT? YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE DOING THIS AS A TEST AND THEN WE DO IT ELSEWHERE.
WELL, WHAT IF IT'S DOESN'T WORK OUT? IT'S VERY HARD TO TAKE IT OUT.
WHEN I SAY A LITMUS TEST, UM, I DO NOT MEAN, UM, TO PUT THIS IN, WAIT FOR A YEAR AND THEN ROLL IT OUT IN OTHER DISTRICTS.
MY, THE INTENT IN MY OPINION WOULD BE LET'S, LET'S GET THIS LANGUAGE TO WHERE THE TOWN BOARD'S COMFORTABLE.
UM, AND ONCE DEEMED COMFORTABLE AFTER THIS LOCAL LAW, WE CAN MODERNIZE RESTAURANTS THE WAY THEY'RE REGULATED IN ALL THE OTHER COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS IN THE TOWN.
OR IF THE TOWN BOARD DID WANT A PERIOD OF TIME TO SEE HOW THIS FUNCTIONS, UM, THAT COULD BE DONE AND WE COULD STUNT UPDATING THE CA DISTRICT AND, AND ALL THE OTHER DISTRICTS THAT PERMIT RESTAURANTS.
UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE WILL BE OVERSIGHT.
SO WHEN A RESTAURANT COMES IN, THEY NEED A SPECIAL PERMIT, YOU WILL, WE WILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, SERGEANT RESON LOOKING AT WHERE THOSE, UM, SPACES ARE LOCATED, MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE LOGICAL, UM, AND SAFE.
SO I, I THINK, UM, IT'S NOT AS IF, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANTS CAN, THEY'LL HAVE TO DOCUMENT WITH THE TOWN HOW THEY'RE GOING TO SITUATE, UM, X NUMBER OF SPACES FOR THE PURPOSE OF, UM, ACT PICKUP SERVICE.
SO POST DEVELOPMENT, WE GO OUT AND MAKE SITE INSPECTIONS, MAKE SURE THAT THAT APPROVED, UH, PLAN IS ADHERED TO, AND THAT THEY'RE SIGNED PROPERLY.
THAT THEY DON'T TAKE TOO MANY SIGNS, YOU KNOW? NO, NO.
DISSIMILAR AS IF, UM, SOMEONE PROPOSES TWO HANDICAP SPACES.
WE GO OUT AND MAKE THE INSPECTION, THEY ONLY INSTALL ONE.
THEY WILL NOT GET A CO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PUT IN THAT SECOND HANDICAP SPACE.
AND IF SOMEONE WERE TO CHANGE SOMETHING, UH, IN THE INTERIM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D HOPEFULLY PICK UP UPON AND HAVE CORRECTIVE ACTION TAKEN.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA.
WE NOW, WE, WE ARE OPERATING REALLY IN THIS TOWN WITH A, WITH A DEARTH OF RESTAURANTS, AND A LOT OF THEM HAVE GONE OUT OF BUSINESS.
THOSE THAT ARE IN BUSINESS SAY THAT THE REASON WHY THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO SURVIVE IS BECAUSE OF THE FLEXIBILITY AND BEING ABLE TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'VE JUST DESCRIBED.
BEING ABLE TO HAVE PEOPLE ORDER FOOD, PICK IT UP, UM, FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM THEIR, THEIR PREMISES AND, UM, TO BE ABLE TO OFFER OPTIONS TO, TO, UH, UM, THEIR CUSTOMERS.
I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA.
I DO THINK IT'S GOING TO CONTINUALLY TREND.
[00:30:01]
STILL EAT OUT IN PLACES BECAUSE IT'S FUN AND WE DON'T BECOME JUST A STRAIGHT UP PASS OFF, BUT TO, TO, TO GIVE VIOLATIONS.IT WOULD HURT BUSINESSES THAT I BASICALLY DO IT RIGHT NOW.
WE MAY HAVE TO HAVE OTHER REGULATIONS THOUGH, RIGHT? BECAUSE IN FRONT OF A RESTAURANT IS USUALLY A FIRE ZONE, RIGHT? AND SO WHEN YOU, I WOULD DROP OFF IN A PICKUP, YOU NOW HAVE SOMEBODY IN THE FIRE ZONE, SOMEBODY'S NOT COMING OUT FAST ENOUGH, THEY GO IN AND THEY LEAVE THEIR CAR IN THE FIRE ZONE.
SO WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW DO WE ADDRESS THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES? YEAH.
AND THAT, YEAH, NO, ABSOLUTELY.
THE INTENT WOULD BE, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT, THIS LOCAL LAW WOULD NOT MAKE THAT PERMISSIBLE, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE AN OUTRIGHT VIOLATION.
PEOPLE DO IT WITH A POLICE CAR IN FRONT OF THE LAUNDROMAT.
THEY STILL PULL UP THEIR CAR IN THE LOADING ZONE.
BUT, UM, ULTIMATELY THESE SPACES WOULD HAVE TO BE ON THE SITE PLAN, AND THEY CERTAINLY WOULD NOT BE SHOWN IN THE LOADING ZONE.
SO WE NOW HAVE IT ON PAPER HOW MANY SPACES WHERE THEY WOULD BE LOCATED.
WE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, IN, IN BUSY SHOPPING CENTERS, WE HAVE TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS THAT CAN ASSIST US WITH.
UM, BUT HOW WOULD THAT APPLY TO ON STREET RESTAURANTS THAT DON'T HAVE PARKING LOTS, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT SAME KIND OF PARODY.
SO THERE'S NOT TOO MANY EXAMPLES LIKE THAT IN THE TOWN.
OBVIOUSLY EAST DALE AVENUE IS YOUR CLASSIC EXAMPLE, RIGHT? I WANNA SAY SOME OF THOSE SPACES ARE SHORT TERM.
THEY HAVE MAYBE 15 MINUTE MAX SPACES.
I, I BELIEVE, UM, UM, THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT FOR THOSE SPACES.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE, UH, EATING INSIDE AND, YOU KNOW, EATING QUICK IN 15 MINUTES.
SO I THINK THOSE ARE FOR LIKE DELIVERY DRIVERS AND QUICK PICKUP.
UM, BUT ULTIMATELY, YEAH, THAT'S, IT'S A DIFFERENT, WE JUST HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE TO THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS THAT AVAILABILITY FOR THOSE RESTAURANTS TOO.
NO, I THINK, UM, YEAH, AND I THINK EVEN AN AGENDA ITEM IS, IS EAST HARSDALE AVENUE.
I'M NOT MISTAKEN, DIFFERENT TOPIC, BUT, UM, NONETHELESS, I THINK WE'RE ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT WAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT EAST HARSDALE AVENUE IS FUNCTIONING AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE.
MAYBE WE COULD GO TO THAT AGENDA ITEM ACTUALLY, SINCE AT THE TABLE.
SO DOES WE DONE WITH AGENDA REVIEW THERE? ANYTHING ELSE? SO RESTAURANT OWNERS ARE CONCERNED THAT, ARE YOU MOVING ON TO ANOTHER ITEM? YEAH, DINING, DINING ON EAST
UM, RESTAURANT OWNERS ARE CONCERNED THAT BECAUSE OUTDOOR DINING IS BEING ALLOWED IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, UM, UH, AND NOT GOING TO BE ALLOWED, OR THE DISCUSSION OF IT NOT BEING ALLOWED, UH, THEN THAT, UM, THEY WILL LOSE A LION'S SHARE OF THEIR BUSINESS.
AND SO I JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE SOME RESTAURANTS, PARTICULARLY THE ONES FRONTING ON EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE, UM, AND ALLOWING THEM TO CONTINUE TO HAVE, UH, OUTDOOR DINING.
IT, IT JUST WOULDN'T BE IN THE STREET, BUT THE SIDEWALK IS NOT WIDE ENOUGH TO HAVE THE DINING ON THE SIDEWALK.
SO THIS, SO THE WAY IT WAS ORCHESTRATED DURING COVID WAS ACTUALLY QUITE BENEFICIAL TO THOSE RESTAURANTS, AND NOW THEY'RE SEEKING WAYS TO MAINTAIN THAT.
I ACTUALLY WANT TO, UM, REACH OUT TO OTHER MUNICIPAL MICROPHONE.
I, I, I'D LIKE TO REACH OUT TO SOME OTHER MUNICIPALITIES BECAUSE LIKE FOR INSTANCE, I SAW THAT, UH, THE VILLAGE OF TARRYTOWN WAS CITED AS, UM, ALLOWING THIS, BUT TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, I THOUGHT TARRYTOWN SHUTS DOWN THEIR WHOLE BLOCK ON SATURDAY AND FRIDAY AND OR SATURDAY NIGHTS, UM, WHICH IS A VERY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE.
SO THAT WAS CITED, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE IS NOT THE, THE AVENUE WHERE YOU CAN SHUT DOWN THAT WHOLE BLOCK BECAUSE IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW.
THIS IS THE MAIN, THERE'S NO ALTERNATIVE.
UH, UNLIKE THE VILLAGE OF TARRYTOWN WHERE I LIVE IN THE CITY OF BEACON, UH, I'M NOT LIKE THEY'VE DONE IT.
THEY DID IT, UH, TWO YEARS DURING THE PANDEMIC, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN THEM YET.
UM, SO I'M ACTUALLY CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW MANY COMMUNITIES ARE ACTUALLY ALLOWING IN THE STREET, WHICH I DO AGREE.
UM, WAS, WAS WELL DONE ON EAST HARSDALE AVENUE.
AND I, I, I'M HAPPY FOR THOSE RESTAURANTS BECAUSE I KNOW IT REALLY HELPED THEM.
UM, IT WAS ALMOST THERE WERE ANY ACCIDENTS.
HOWEVER, THERE WERE, UH, NUMEROUS DINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T,
UM, BUT IN SPEAKING WITH SERGEANT REON, UM, IT'S, THERE WAS CONCERN WITH THE CONSTRUCTION FROM THE ELEVATOR.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY, UM, CHANGING TRAFFIC PATTERN.
[00:35:01]
TO SPEAK TO SERGEANT REON THAT MAY NO LONGER BE A CONCERN.AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT FULL TILT WITH THE CONSTRUCTION YET, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, BUT I, I THINK IT'S PRIMARILY SAFETY.
AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN, THERE HAVE BEEN HORRIFIC EXAMPLES WHERE, YOU KNOW, OF NO FAULT OF THE DRIVER, THEY JUST LOST CONTROL OF THEIR VEHICLE IN SOME INSTANCES, AND THE RESULTS ARE, ARE HORRIBLE.
SO I ALMOST FEEL AS IF, YES, THERE WERE NO ACCIDENTS, BUT IT'S KIND OF LIKE A LUCK, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE ALMOST LUCKY IN A SENSE.
AND IT'S, I DON'T KNOW, I, I, WELL, MAYBE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING INTO WAYS TO AMELIORATE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN IMPACT THE SPEED LIMIT TEMPORARILY OR, YOU KNOW, LOWER THE SPEED LIMIT FOR THE SHORT TERM, OR WHETHER THAT'S NEW YORK STATE DICTATED, UH, CHANGE THAT MIGHT NOT ALLOW, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY STRICT TRAFFIC, UH, CRITERIA.
WHETHER THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED.
UM, OR ARE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT WE COULD DO SO THAT IT MIGHT ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN TO STALL.
ANY, ANY OTHER, WITH RESPECT TO THE SIDEWALK MM-HMM.
I, I, I DO AGREE, LIKE WHAT, WHAT WAS DONE WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL.
UM, AND YES, YOU CAN ONLY GET A FRACTION OF THE TABLES WHEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE CONFINED TO THE SIDEWALK, AND YOU HAVE TO ALSO ALLOW FOR SAFE, ADEQUATE PASSAGE WITH, WITH, UM, YEAH.
UM, SO THOSE, THOSE RESTAURANTS ON LEONHARD STEEL AVENUE, FOR INSTANCE, COPPER KETTLE, THEY COULD HAVE TABLES ON THE SIDEWALK, SO DOESN'T, HE HAS SUCH A SMALL, UH, SIDEWALK.
SO HE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT.
THE ONLY THING WE COULD, HE, HE COULD PROBABLY DO TWO TABLES IMMEDIATELY, YOU KNOW, HE DOESN'T HAVE MUCH, UH, FRONTAGE MM-HMM.
UM, UH, WE DID INDICATE THAT IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A RETAILER THAT HAS SOME DOWN SPACE, AND YOU COULD DO A TABLE THERE, LIKE WE'RE OPEN TO THAT.
WE WANT TO DO, DO THE BEST WE CAN MM-HMM.
UH, TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, THERE'S A VACANT AND THE RETAILER IS OPEN TO IT.
IT'S PROVIDED THE RETAILER IS OPEN TO IT.
UM, SO THESE TABLES WOULD HAVE TO BE UP AGAINST THE BUILDING UP, UP AGAINST THE, YEAH.
AND LIKE THE SOUTH SIDE OF EAST HARSDALE AVENUE, THE SIDEWALK IS SIGNIFICANTLY WIDER, SO IT'S MORE CONDUCIVE, ALTHOUGH THE GRADE'S NOT GREAT IN SOME OF THE LOCATIONS, BUT LIKE GRANITA AS AN EXAMPLE, HAS, UH, I BELIEVE THREE OR FOUR NICE TABLES, UM, UNDER THEIR AWNING.
THERE'S AT LEAST, I WOULD SAY THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 10.
BUT IN YOUR OPINION RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THE COPPER OR YOU
IS THAT SORT OF, I MEAN, IS SERGEANT RESON, UH, DOES HE BASICALLY BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT ISSUE'S SORT OF DEAD AND THE DECISION HAS BEEN MADE? OR ARE THEY OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, CON CONTINUING TO LOOK FOR WAYS OF HELPING THEM? WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST TWO OF THE RESTAURANTS ARE, YOU KNOW, REALLY UPSET.
I MEAN, WITHOUT IMPLEMENTING SOME OTHER MEASURE THAT HASN'T BEEN THOUGHT OF THUS FAR, AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF, UM, TRAFFIC CALMING, UM, COULD CHANGE AN OPINION.
BUT IN THE ABSENCE OF THAT, I, I, I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT SERGEANT REON AS THE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY OFFICER, DOES NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, I, I, I CAN SENT ME, UM, NEWSPAPER CLIPS ABSOLUTELY.
WHERE PEOPLE WERE, UM, YOU KNOW, INJURED, UM, IN OTHER COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
SO, SO NO ONE DISAGREES THAT IT'S A PROBLEM.
BUT WHERE THE PROBLEM IS, IS PARODY FOR THESE RESTAURANTS, WHO'S, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE WHO WILL, ARE MOST COMFORTABLE OUTDOOR DINING AND THEY'LL GO TO OTHER RESTAURANTS.
NO, I, I'M SET WITH, I'M SET WITH IT.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IF SOMEBODY DIES, I'LL BE, I'LL BE, I KNOW, BUT IT'S JUST A MATTER OF LOOKING INTO OTHER WAYS IT HAPPEN IF WE CAN SOME WAY, YOU KNOW, I JUST THREW OUT SOMETHING OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, THE TRAFFIC COMING.
I HAVE A QUE A QUESTION THAT I JUST SORT OF THOUGHT OF IN THE BACK OF, YOU KNOW, THE RESTAURANT, THE, THE COVER KETTLE.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE PARKING AREA, THERE'S A PARK, LIKE A PARKING AREA NEAR THE PARKING GARAGE.
I'M WONDERING IF, UM, UH, SOME OF THE RESTAURANTS MIGHT BE, SOME OF THE RESTAURANTS HAVE, UM, ENTRANCES AT THE, ON EAST DALE AVENUE, AND ALSO THEY MAY, I'M WONDERING IF THEY HAVE ENTRANCES IN THE BACK.
[00:40:01]
IF THE, THE BACK AREA WHERE THE PARKING GROWERS COULD BE USED AS AN OUTDOOR SIT SITTING AREA? UM, I DON'T KNOW.I I MEAN, YOU, I'M SAYING LIKE A, UM, LIKE AN OUTDOOR LIKE SHARED SPACE, LIKE BEER GARDEN TYPE THING.
YOU'VE GOT SEVERAL TABLES AND THE RESTAURANTS COULD, COULD, UM, ACCESS THEM.
I KNOW LIKE WITH THE GRITA, YOU KNOW, IS IN THE IRISH BANK, I KNOW THAT PEOPLE COULD GET IN FROM BOTH SIDES.
BUT ISN'T IT LIKE THE, THE DUMPSTERS AND THE GARBAGE, THEY'RE IN THE BACK.
THAT'S I THINK THE SUPERVISOR'S INDICATING, UM, CLOSER TO THE TRAIN STATION AND, UM, WHERE THERE'S A SURFACE PARKING, UH, NEAR THE DUMPING DONUT.
SO ALMOST LIKE DECOMMISSIONING THAT PARKING ON FRIDAY, SATURDAY NIGHTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I'M THINKING THAT IF WE CREATED THE PROPERTY, IF WE CREATED PROPERTY, UM, THE, THE BUILDING OWNER THERE AT THE, UH, END CAP.
BUT IF WE CREATED LIKE A, A NICE ATMOSPHERE AND THERE WAS MORE, AND ALL THE RESTAURANTS WOULD BE HAVING OUTDOOR SEATING THERE, THEN IT COULD BE SORT OF ALMOST LIKE A FESTIVE MIGHT BE TOO FAR AWAY FROM THE PIGEONS.
NO, WELL, SOME WE HAVE TO FIND OUT IF THEY HAVE, UM, ACCESS DOORS, YOU KNOW, DOORS IN THE BACK AS WELL AS IN THE FRONT.
AND THEY, I'M NOT SURE, PROBABLY WOULDN'T THEY NEED SECOND I'M GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT THEM MEANS OF, I, I THOUGHT QUITE A BIT ABOUT THIS.
I MEAN, I, I THINK ABOUT ALL KINDS OF THINGS, AND I SAY TO MYSELF, IF YOU EVER REBUILT THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BLOCK, UM, YOU WOULD HAVE A BREAK IN THE STOREFRONTS AND THEN HAVE LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, AN ALLEYWAY, ALLEYWAY, BUT THERE'S PROBABLY A BETTER TERM FOR IT, UM, PLAZA SPACE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD HAVE ACTUALLY WINDOW FRONTS POINTING ONTO THAT, AND YOU COULD HOPEFULLY GET ALL YOUR RESTAURANTS TO GRAVITATE TO THAT SPACE.
SO LIKE, I THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS ALL THE TIME.
I SAY TO MYSELF, ALRIGHT, IF YOU JUST LEFT IT AND YOU KIND OF LIKE, AS A LEASE GOES UP, MAYBE YOU CARVE OUT A, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED FEET TO HAVE THAT AND YOU COULD REALLY MAKE THAT A COOL SPACE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A BIG INVESTMENT.
BUT, UM, YEAH, WELL THAT, THAT BACK AREA, UM, AS, UH, GINA SAID, UH, SHE RAISED A QUESTION ABOUT IT BEING A, A DUMP SITE AREA, AND, UH, I'VE HAD RESIDENTS, UM, UH, COMPLAIN ABOUT THE, UM, UH, AMOUNT OF RODENTS THAT THEY HAVE SEEN OVER THERE IN THAT AREA, UH, BY THE TRAIN STATION WHERE THERE'S GARBAGE CANS.
I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, TO, TO PUT PEOPLE THERE FOR EATING, UM, I THINK MAY REQUIRE SOME OTHER, LOOKING AT SOME OTHER ISSUES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AREA IS SAFE AND FREE OF, UM, OF, UH, CRITTERS.
YOU KNOW, I, I'M LOOKING AT THAT AS A, YOU KNOW, MY FEELING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF WE DON'T DO, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T WORK WITH THE RESTAURANTS, WE'RE GONNA LOSE SOME OF THE RESTAURANTS BECAUSE IT'S A COMPETITIVE DISADVANTAGE THAT THEY ALL HAVE.
SO WE, SO THAT'S DEFINITE, ON THE OTHER HAND MM-HMM.
SO OBVIOUSLY DISA WITH SERGEANT ZEN'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IF THERE'S AN ACCIDENT, YOU KNOW, IF A MONTH FROM NOW SOMEBODY GETS KILLED BECAUSE A CAR WENT INTO THEM, OR THERE'S A C R S INJURY, THEN UM, YOU KNOW, THEN WE, WE DON'T HAVE AN EXCUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ON NOTICE.
HE TOLD US THAT THE SAFETY ISSUES AND WE CAN'T LOOK THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE COULD REALLY LOOK THE OTHER WAY.
ON THE OTHER HAND, MAYBE WE COULD FIG TRY FIGURING OUT OTHER WAYS OF MAKING IT SAFE.
IT'S LIKE WITH A FARMER'S MARKET, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE LOCATION, BUT GARRETT AND SERGEANT REON CAME UP WITH A GOOD IDEA.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO KEEP THE FARMERS' MARKET IN DALE.
SO WHY DON'T WE JUST LOOK INTO THAT AND, UM, AND THEN LET'S TALK ABOUT IT, UH, NEXT WEEK.
LET ME, I JUST WANNA SAY, IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE NOT SYMPATHETIC BECAUSE IN 2020 WE WENT, YOU KNOW, ALMOST ON LIGHTNING SPEED AND IT, AND MADE THESE THINGS HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, WITH MEETING, AFTER MEETING, AFTER MEETING IN ORDER TO HAVE THIS HAPPEN.
BUT THAT WAS WHEN PEOPLE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO EAT INSIDE.
AND, UH, I DO KNOW THAT SOME OF THE NON-RESTAURANT BUSINESSES COMPLAINED THAT THE, THOSE, THOSE BARRICADES TOOK UP PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD OTHERWISE THEY MIGHT HAVE CUSTOMERS FROM.
SO, UH, WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK FOR ALTERNATIVES, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS, KNOWING THAT PEOPLE CAN NOW EAT INSIDE,
[00:45:01]
AND YET THE PANDEMIC IS CONTINUING AND THE FALL IS COMING IS, UH, AND MAYBE WE CAN HELP THEM SOMEHOW, IS UPGRADING THEIR H P A C SYSTEM SO THAT THEY COULD ACTUALLY ADVERTISE IN THEIR RESTAURANTS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CERTAIN NUMBER OF AIR CHANGES PER HOUR OR WHATEVER TO GIVE SOME ASSURANCE FOR PEOPLE WHO MIGHT GO THERE TO EAT.BUT WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T PAY FOR THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AT AT LEAST WE COULD, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THEM REGARDING BUILDING PERMITS.
NOT EVEN SAYING WAIVE FEES, IT'S JUST TO, TO MAKE OURSELVES AVAILABLE TO DEAL WITH H V A C ISSUES.
AND THEN THEY CAN PUT A SIGN AS TO, YOU KNOW, AN ENGINEER HAS CERTIFIED THAT.
BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE WERE HAVING A, A CONFERENCE TO THIS AFTERNOON ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE FALL FROM REAL, REAL EXPERTS ON THIS STUFF.
NOT TALKING HEADS, BUT REAL EXPERTS.
AND, UH, WE NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT TALKING ABOUT A SHUTDOWN, BUT THEY NEED TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WILL, NOW THAT PEOPLE CAN COME INTO THEIR RESTAURANTS, IS TO COME UP WITH A WAY OF MAKING THEM FEEL COMFORTABLE INSIDE THOSE RESTAURANTS.
AND, AND IT'S A DIFFERENT WORLD IN 2020 WHEN WE PUT UP THOSE BARRICADES, BECAUSE AT THAT POINT THEY HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO HAVE THEM OUTSIDE.
AND TRAFFIC, IT'S NOT A LOT LIKE ALMOST NON-EXISTENT.
BUT THE END, SOME OF THE OWNERS ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, UM, YOU LET IT FOR TWO YEARS AND IT'S THE SAME SAFETY ISSUES THAT EXISTED A YEAR AGO OR TWO YEARS AGO.
NO, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
I, WE, WE HAVE TO LOOK INTO IT.
SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME CREATIVE SOLUTIONS.
AND YOU SAID YOU'RE GONNA WORK WITH THE, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
WE ALSO HAD OTHER SAFETY ISSUES LAST YEAR.
UM, CARS WERE DOUBLE PARKED, CARS WERE GONNA WORK WITH DOUBLE PARKED BY EAST CARNE MAKE, AND SERGEANT REON, YOU KNOW, WAS VERY UPSET ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT CREATED OTHER, OTHER SAFETY ISSUES.
SO THAT WE'VE GOTTA LOOK THROUGH.
WHAT WERE YOU SAY JEAN? NO, I WAS JUST MAKING SURE THAT GARY WORKS WITH, UM, SERGEANT REON BECAUSE HE IS A SAFETY EXPERT.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO LOOK, WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, LEAN ON HIS EXPERTISE.
ALSO THE PARKING DISTRICT MIGHT HAVE SOME, I WAS THINKING THAT AND SOME CONCERNS PARKING SPACES, BECAUSE I JUST WANT, I CAME UP, I PROPOSED A COUPLE DIFFERENT, I SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, TALK THEM COURSE, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OPTION, UM, WAS, UM, WHICH WE'LL HAVE ED MEMBERS YOU SUBMITTED TO WHAT, WELL, OKAY.
SO WE HAVE DID THE LIST ONE THEN.
SO ONE BASICALLY, UM, WOULD SAY THAT IT'S BASED ON, YOU KNOW, NOISE.
UM, UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE OTHER ONE, UM, IS BASED ON SAYING YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY LEAF BLOWERS DURING THE TIME, YOU KNOW, THE TIME PERIOD.
BUT WE WOULD HAVE EXCEPTIONS DURING THE, DURING D YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT DAYS.
SO WE'D SAY, YOU KNOW, TWO DAYS, UM, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY COULD DO IT, UH, THREE DAYS.
UH, NO ONE, YOU KNOW, THERE'D BE NO LEAF FLOORS.
UM, AND THEN ON WEEKENDS, UM, NO LEAF FLOWING, NO LEAFBLOWER IS FOR, FOR, UH, FOR COMMERCIAL, FOR COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL.
THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL, UH, OR SOME OF THE MEMBERS.
SO THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE, YOU KNOW, TO THEM.
UM, UM, ANOTHER, UM, PRISON WHO I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH, UM, FEELS THAT THE TOWN SHOULD BASICALLY BE, UM, FOLLOWING THE LEAD OF OTHER COMMUNITIES AND, UM, AND DOING SOMETHING SORT OF, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I, AND ALLOW, UH, ELECTRIC, UM, YOU KNOW, BLOWERS, BUT, YOU KNOW, NOT ALLOW TO GIVE POWER, YOU KNOW, BLOWERS.
SO I BASICALLY SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD ON, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT VERSIONS.
UH, THE TERRITORY FROM THE C A C SAID SHE WAS TOTALLY AGAINST, YOU KNOW, UH, ALLOWING ANY ELECTRIC BLOWERS BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN ISSUE OF ONLY NOISE.
AND THE PRODIGALS FROM, UH, THE LEAF BLOWERS, UM, CREATE HEALTH ISSUES FOR PEOPLE NEAR NEAR IT.
[00:50:01]
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THOUGHTS THAT I HAD, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK, UM, BECAUSE I REALLY HOPE THAT WE COULD DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, BY THE END OF MAY IS WHEN IF WE, UM, HAVE LET PEOPLE SPEAK ON BOTH VERSIONS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GET SOME, YOU KNOW, THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE AND THEN THE BOARD COULD DECIDE WHAT TO DO.DO WE HAVE TWO VERSIONS OF PAPER IN FRONT OF US? WE ONLY HAVE ONE.
YOU HAVE THE, UH, I SENT THE, I EMAILED EVERYBODY, BUT WE ONLY HAVE THE ONE HERE.
YEAH, I EMAILED, I THINK I EMAILED.
WHY DO WE ONLY HAVE THE ONE IN FRONT OF US? I THINK JOAN GAVE, WAS THIS'S THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS PRINTED LIKE THIS BY, BECAUSE EMAILED YEAH.
FOR, FOR TODAY IS SO WE SHOULD HAVE HAD BOTH OF THEM.
SO WE MAKE SURE WE CAN COMPARE THE TWO.
SO I, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING.
NO, I'M JUST, I'M JUST ASKING THE BOARD LUNCH.
I'M JUST TRYING TO, SO LET ME ASK A QUESTION AND, AND I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO READ THIS.
SO WHAT'S THE RESTRICTIONS FOR THE TOWN FOR US AS EMPLOYERS? WELL, THE FIRST VERSION, PAUL, I THINK YOU HAD SOME EXEMPTIONS SUBJECT TO THE TOWN BOARD MAKING A DETERMINATION THAT THE EXEMPTION WAS APPROPRIATE AFTER AN EMERGENCY OR A STORM.
SO WE'D REALLY BE ABLE TO THE BOARD TO DETERMINE WHETHER THEY COULD USE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TOO.
IT'D BE JUST LIKE A, A BIT OF A SPREADSHEET.
UH, A SPREADSHEET THAT WOULD SHOW WHAT EACH VERSION HAD OR DIDN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW? AND THEN SUMMARY.
THE, THE VERSION THAT I GAVE EVERYBODY LAST WEEK.
SO, YOU KNOW, NO LEAFBLOWER IS YOU, YOU KNOW, NOBODY COULD USE ANY LEAFBLOWER, WHETHER IT'S ELECTRIC OR GAS'S, WHAT THIS ONE DOES.
SO WHAT'S THE TOWN, WHAT IS THE TOWN, WHAT IS THE TOWN'S RESPONSIBILITY? WHEN I SAY THE TOWN, THERE'S NO, NO EXCEPTIONS TO ANYBODY.
SO, SO WHATEVER WE'RE GIVEN TO THE RESIDENTS IS THE SAME AS FOR THE TOWN? NO, THIS ONE, THIS ONE, THIS ONE ALLOWS THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS TO SUSPEND OR AMEND THE RESTRICTIONS IN CERTAIN, FOR CERTAIN REASONS.
WELL, DID THAT LIKE THE MOST, THAT VERSION, THIS IS FOR THE CLEANUP.
SOMETHING THAT THE C A C DOESN'T SUPPORT.
SO THIS IS FOR EMERGENCY, THIS ONE DOESN'T.
SO WHAT IS, SO FOR MAINTENANCE, FOR DAILY MAINTENANCE, WHAT IS THE LAW GOING TO, WHAT IS THE PROPOSED LAW SUPPOSED TO BE? I'M NOT TALKING BECAUSE I, WHEN I READ THIS, I THOUGHT THIS WAS FOR, I THOUGHT THIS WAS FOR EMERGENCIES.
'CAUSE IT HAS ON HERE SUSPENDED AND RESTRICTIONS AND OPERATIONAL REASONS WERE NECESSARY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY ACTIVITIES.
SO TELL ME, WHAT IS IT, WHAT'S THE, WHAT IS IT GOING TO BE FOR JUST NORMAL MAINTENANCE? JUST LIKE WHAT OUR RESIDENTS DO? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
THAT VERSION DOESN'T HAVE ANY.
SO WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT TOO.
WE CAN'T PUT SOMETHING OUT AND I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FROM, SINCE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT LEAF BLOWERS.
WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN ALSO IS SUPPOSED TO ADHERE TOO AS WELL.
SO HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE MAKE THAT, HOW DO WE MAKE THAT, UM, HOW DO WE MAKE THAT WORK? I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF ALL THE TOWN BOARD MEMBERS KNOW WHAT THEY WANT.
SO IT'S HARD TO COME UP WITH A LAW THAT EVERYBODY SUPPORTS BECAUSE YOU ALL SUPPORT DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE LAW.
SO REALLY WE'RE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING TO HEAR FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE ABOUT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
AND WE'RE ULTIMATELY GONNA HAVE TO COME UP WITH A LAW THAT THE BOARD THINKS IS APPROPRIATE.
THAT'S NOT GONNA MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'LL MEMORIALIZE.
WE MAY NOT HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER HEARING ON IT BECAUSE IT'S SO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE.
TIM, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU JUST SAID, BUT MY QUESTION WAS, WHAT ARE WE DOING THAT WHAT THE TOWN, TOWN OF GREENBURG EMPLOYER, WHAT IS OUR LAW? WHAT IS OUR RESTRICTIONS? THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
WHAT EVERYONE ELSE, SO WHATEVER'S SCHEDULED, THAT'S OUTLINED.
SO THREE LAWS APPARENTLY THAT YOU SENT OUT.
THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS THE, THE ONE THAT THE, THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL, THE AGENDA TOMORROW.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT THE, SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL, UM, FELT, YOU KNOW, THEY WEREN'T THRILLED WITH, BUT THEY COULD LIVE WITH.
UH, VIRTUALLY ALL, UH, BLOWERS, BOTH GEARS AND ELECTRIC EMIT AMID HURRICANE FORCE WINDS AND ANNOYING NOISE.
I JUST WANT GET TO MY QUESTION.
YOU JUST WANT, I JUST WANNA FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO HEAR? WHAT IS THE TOWN AS EMPLOYERS? OKAY.
BEGINNING ON, UH, FOR, FOR THIS ONE, BEGINNING ON JUNE 1ST, UH, TWO, ONE INCLUDING OCTOBER 15TH, BLOWERS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE USED AT ANY TIME DURING THE FOLLOWING PERIODS.
MONDAY DURING THE HOURS OF 9:00 AM AND 5:00 PM TUESDAY DURING THE HOURS OF 9:00 AM AND 5:00 PM AND WEEKENDS DURING
[00:55:01]
THE HOURS OF 10:00 AM AND 5:00 PM WHEN USED BY RESIDENTS OF, OR INDIVIDUALS RENTING THE PROPERTY ON WHICH THE BLOWER IS USED.IN ADDITION, BLOWERS MAY NOT BE USED ON LEGAL, UH, HOLIDAYS, UM, UPON A WEATHER EMERGENCY, THERE'D BE, YOU KNOW, RESTRICTIONS.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE LIKE IF THERE'S A HURRICANE OR, OR WHATEVER.
SO THERE'S, YOU DON'T HAVE A ONE THAT'S FOR TOWNS MAINTENANCE? THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
NO, BUT WELL, BASICALLY YOU WOULD, WE WOULD ALLOW, WE WOULD ALLOW, UM, UH, LEAF BLOWERS, UM, YOU KNOW, TWICE A WEEK FOR EVERYONE.
THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S NO EXCEPTION.
WANNA MAKE, THERE'S NO EXCEPTION.
THAT'S WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE.
AND THAT'S THE, THE VERSION THAT I SUPPORTED, RIGHT? IT'S THE CHA'S VERSION THAT WE DID THAT WE DISCUSSED AD NAUSEUM LAST YEAR OR TWO YEARS AGO WITH THE ADDITION ONLY OF THE, UH, HOURS DURING THE DAY WHEN, WHEN IT WOULD BE ALLOWED.
SO IT'S NOT JUST DAYS DURING THE WEEK, BUT ALSO HOURS DURING THE DAY SO THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT BEFORE 10 OR AFTER, YOU KNOW, FIVE, LET'S SAY ON THE, ON THE WEEKENDS.
SO I JUST SENT, I JUST SENT THE TOWN BOARD, YOU KNOW, THAT VERSION SO CAN MAKE A SUGGESTION BECAUSE WE REALLY WANNA SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING.
WHY DON'T YOU LOOK AT, UM, THE VERSION AND THEN YOU COULD TWEAK IT.
UH, TO ME, I'VE ALREADY DONE THAT.
WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT I JUST SENT AND THEN IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE HOURS, YOU THINK I'M TOO GENEROUS OR IT SHOULDN'T BE TWO DAYS AND THREE DAYS.
IF YOU WANT TO, UH, CHANGE THE TIMES WHEN IT WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
BUT YOU BASICALLY LIKE, UM, SAYING NO LEAF BLOWERS DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME, SO NO.
NOT DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN GEARS AND ELECTRIC.
AND DOES, AND THAT INCLUDES, AND THAT INCLUDES JUST, I JUST BEFORE YOU AGREE AND THAT INCLUDES EVERYONE.
AND SO THEN WHAT WE WOULD DO IS IT WOULD BASICALLY, WE WOULD HAVE EXCEPTION BASICALLY EVERYBODY IN THE TOWN.
NOBODY COULD SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A COMMISSIONER AS A, A RELATIVE LIVING IN THE TOWN.
THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO USE IT ON SOME DAYS.
UM, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY COULD USE A LEAF BLOWER ON SOME DAYS, BUT THEY CAN'T USE IT ON, ON DAYS WHEN THERE'S LIKE A LEAF BLOWER, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
AND IT'S ANY KIND OF LEAF BLOWER.
SO THEN WHY DON'T WE THEN PUT THAT UP FOR PUBLIC ERROR.
SO MAYBE WE CAN RECIRCULATE THE, THE, I JUST SAID IT.
YOU HAD, SO THE ONE THAT'S, SO WAIT A MINUTE.
THE ONE THAT'S ON THE ONE THAT PAUL IS JUST SENT DOWN, IS THAT THE LAST, IS THIS THE ONE WE'RE LOOKING AT? NO, THAT'S ONES SO MANY DIFFERENT ONES GOING ON.
THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED THAT TO YOU.
YEAH, I, I THINK THERE WAS ABOUT THREE OR FOUR AND THEY CLOSE.
THERE, THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT THREE, UH, DRAFTS CIRCULATING.
AND I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH PAUL AND FROM A TOWN STANDPOINT, AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR, UH, COMMISSIONER FA IS THAT, THAT DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS, IT IS PART OF OUR PROGRAM.
AND I REMEMBER YOU TALKED ABOUT IT LAST YEAR, THERE WAS SOME OPINION THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOOD FOR ONE HAS TO BE GOOD FOR ALL.
SO WHATEVER YOU COME UP WITH AND, AND WHEN I WAS TALKING TO PAUL, I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE AT ANY FIVE ON ANY WEEKDAY, THERE COULD BE A NEED FOR US.
BUT IN THE SPIRIT OF THIS, OF TRYING TO BEGIN THE PROCESS OF CHANGING, 'CAUSE ONE OF IT IS GOING FROM GAS TO ELECTRIC.
WE WE'RE GETTING THERE AND WE WILL GET THERE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE.
AND THAT'S WHY I DID LIKE THE IDEA OF JUST MINIMIZING THE USAGE WHERE EVERYONE CAN USE IT ON THE FOLLOWING DAYS.
KEEP IN MIND, WHEN YOU LOOK ON THE WEEKENDS, UNLESS WE PAY OVERTIME, OUR GUYS ARE NOT THERE ON WEEKENDS.
SO I HOPE YOU HAVE A COMPONENT ON ENOUGH ON WEEKDAYS.
'CAUSE I ALREADY TALKED TO MY PARK FORUM AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, HOW IS THAT GONNA IMPACT? HE SAYS IT'S GONNA IMPACT US.
I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE COULD USE IT ON ANY GIVEN DAY.
I SAID, WELL, I SAID, BUT IN THE SPIRIT OF IT, IF YOU DID A MONDAY AND TUESDAY OR A MONDAY AND THURSDAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SPREAD OUT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE STILL WEATHER DEPENDENT.
'CAUSE WHEN IT RAINS, WE LOSE OUT ON A DAY LIKE THAT.
BUT I THINK THE POINT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IS TO START TO CUT BACK THE USAGE.
ONE DRAWBACK COULD BE IF YOU DO IT ON THOSE FOUR DAYS, WELL EVERYONE'S GONNA TRY TO GET THEIR LANDSCAPER AND EVERYONE TO BE THERE AT THAT FOUR DAYS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT VARIABLES THAT COULD COME UP.
BUT I HEARD CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD FOR THE GEESE, IT'S GOOD FOR THE GANDER.
SO WE WANT TO DO IT ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO I THOUGHT THAT PROPOSAL HELPS ADDRESS IT.
AND IT MIGHT BE THE FIRST STEP.
[01:00:01]
MAKE SURE FROM THE TALENT, AND I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP THAT QUESTION OF MAKING, HOW IS IT GONNA AFFECT OUR OPERATIONS? AND, AND I'M WILLING TO TRY IT.IF WE WENT FROM A FIVE DAYS TO TWO ON THE WEEKDAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO THE BEST WE CAN, THEN WE'LL COME BACK.
AND WHAT I THINK WE HAVE TO SEE, WE CAN'T ENFORCE SOMETHING FOR THE, FOR OUR RESIDENTS THAT WE ARE NOT ADHERENT.
DID YOU WANNA COMMENT, COMMISSIONER? THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE, SORRY, IS THE ENFORCEMENT.
SO I SAW IT IN THE ONE, THIS, THIS VERSION DOESN'T HAVE A NO WORKS, DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC WORKS GO OUT AND ISSUE YOU, UH, SUMMONS IS WE HAVE ONE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WHO'S REALLY BUSY WITH, WITH UH, D P W THINGS TO HAVE THEM GO OUT.
AND I THINK THEY'D BE VERY BUSY RUNNING AROUND GIVING SUMMONSES.
THAT'S MY WHATEVER IT IS WE'RE GONNA END UP DOING.
WE OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE, AS JERRY SAID, WE'VE STARTED TO PRICE OUT ELECTRIC BLOWERS.
EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE INTENT IS TO STOP THE, THE, UH, THE NOISES.
YOU KNOW, I THINK IT REDUCES IT, BUT NOT TO THE LEVEL THAT YOU KNOW.
WHATEVER YOU GUYS DECIDE TO DO, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GONNA COMPLY WITH, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT FIRST VERSION THAT YOU KNOW, I GAVE, I I SENT THAT TO YOU.
LISTEN, IT COULD YOU LIVE WITHOUT
SO WE'RE JUST GOING BACK TO THE OLD DAYS.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE RAKING, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA GO BACK TO THE WAY THINGS USED TO BE.
IT'S GONNA BE A DIFFERENT WAY TO WORK.
UM, I DID BRING THIS UP TO CONED THIS MORNING 'CAUSE WE HAD A MEETING WITH THEM ABOUT THEIR, THEIR TREE PROGRAM.
UM, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY DO HAZARD TREE WORK THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND THEY DO USE THE BLOWERS.
AND I ADVISE THEM THAT THIS BE COMING JUST BE THEIR TIME.
THEY'LL HAVE TO USE THE BLOWS DURING THAT TIME.
WELL, SO THEY'RE CUTTING DOWN TREES EVERY DAY.
THAT'S USUALLY A CLEAN UP PORTION.
CHAINSAWS WOULD NOT BE PART OF IT, BUT IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY SITUATION WHERE SAY TREES ARE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THEY'RE CUTTING DOWN TREES FOR HEALTH AND SAFETY FOR SAFETY REASONS SHOULD NOT BE AN EXCEPT.
SHOULD NOT BE AN EXCEPTION BECAUSE COURSE, RIGHT.
WHICH IS ON A DAY TO DATE AN EMERGENCY COULD BE THE TREE IS INFECTED AND IT HAS TO COME DOWN.
'CAUSE WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT IT FALLING.
SO THAT'S NOT WEATHER DEPENDENT, THAT'S JUST BASED ON THE CONDITION OF THE TREE.
I WOULD JUST, I WOULD CAUTION YOU WITH, WE HAVE A CREW OUT EVERY DAY AND WE DON'T CUT LIVE TREES.
WE JUST TRIM AND CUT HAZARDOUS TREES.
SO I, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, THAT CREW WOULD CEASE USING BLOWERS ON CERTAIN DAYS.
IF IT'S A MATTER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY THAT IF THAT, IF THAT, YOU KNOW, TREE THAT YOU'RE PRUNING COULD POTENTIALLY FALL, THAT'S A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.
IS THAT THE I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN EXCEPTION.
THAT THAT WOULD BE, THAT THAT WOULD BE A MODIFICATION OF THE VERSION THAT WE CAME IN WITH.
WELL, I, I AND I, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME.
'CAUSE AS SOON AS WE START DOING AND OTHERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO, THEY'RE GONNA START POINTING THE FINGER.
OUR GUYS ARE UP EVERY SINGLE DAY.
WELL, LET ME ASK, IT'S MAINTENANCE.
SO YEAH, THAT'S BASICALLY MAINTENANCE.
SO I WOULD THINK THAT THAT MAINTENANCE, IF, IF IT INVOLVES A LEAF BLOWER, WOULD HAVE TO BE LIMITED TO THE TIMEFRAME.
WE JUST WOULDN'T, WHICH THEY WOULD WE UP, WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF A MESS ON 30 USED EVERYBODY'S, EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE TO ADJUST THEIR FRAME OF REFERENCE.
PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THINGS BEING CLEAN AND DIRTY ARE GONNA HAVE TO GET OVER SOME, SOME LEAVES AND, AND LEAD DEBRIS.
THEY'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO GET OVER.
SO EVERYBODY IS GONNA HAVE TO ADJUST IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
LIKE NO ONE, WELL, ANOTHER CONCERN OR EXCEPTION IF THERE IS SOME KIND OF, UM, STORM EVENT THAT YEAH, OF COURSE.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE WITHOUT QUESTION.
SO WE HAVE LIKE A CONSENSUS ON THE BOARD AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT PROPOSAL.
WE BASICALLY WANT TO JUST BE PREPARED.
JUST BE PREPARED BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE TAKING PEOPLE THAT ARE BLOWING LEAVES SEVEN DAYS A WEEK AND YOU'RE CONCENTRATING 'EM FOR PEOPLE WHO WORK DURING THE WEEK ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS.
FROM 10 TO FIVE, VERY, VERY ICE.
UM, WHEN PEOPLE WOULD HAVE THEIR, THEIR BARBECUES AND THEIR BIRTHDAY PARTIES IN THE BACKGROUND OR WHATEVER.
UH, BUT ALSO THE COMMERCIAL ONES COULD ONLY DO IT MONDAYS AND TUESDAYS, SO IN A VERY SMALL WINDOW.
UM, YOU'LL HAVE RELIEF ON WEDNESDAYS, THURSDAYS, AND FRIDAYS.
YOU KNOW, WE NEED THE PUBLIC TO GET USED TO THE IDEA THAT IF THEY HAVE OFFICE HOURS AT HOME ZOOM OR WHATEVER,
[01:05:01]
YOU SHORTEN AND SCHEDULE 'EM ON MONDAYS AND TUESDAYS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE NOISE IS GOING TO BE.UH, BECAUSE, AND IT'S GONNA BE MORE CONCENTRATED THAN IT IS NOW.
SO WE JUST HAVE TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY MONDAY AND TUESDAY WAS PICKED, BUT SOMEBODY PICKED IT.
IT'S, AND WE'RE NOT OBVIOUSLY GONNA BE HERE ON THE WEEKEND.
I DO KNOW THAT I'VE HEARD FROM SCARSDALE THAT THEY PUT UP, UH, V M S BOARDS, YOU KNOW, AS YOU ENTER.
AND SO I, I THINK IF AS THIS MOVES FORWARD, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN TOWNSHIP THING ABOUT.
WELL I DEFINITELY DON'T THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE CONSECUTIVE DAYS.
I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A GAP SO THAT PE I DON'T, SO THAT PEOPLE CAN CAN YEAH.
IF YOU DO, LIKE TUESDAY, THURSDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY, THERE'S YOUR FOUR DAYS.
YOU STILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU'LL MAKE THE MODIFICATIONS THAT EXACTLY ARE APPROPRIATE.
WELL, WHY DON'T WE PUT THAT IN AND THEN IF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THAT, THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO DISCUSS.
MONDAYS THE BEST THAT, YOU KNOW, THE RECAP, SOMETHING'S HAPPENS, EMERGENCIES AND STUFF.
THAT'S THE MONDAY'S ALWAYS A HEAVY WORK DAY.
SO MONDAY AND FRIDAYS NEVER TAKE GOOD DAY TO START WORK.
DID YOU WANT ME TO, UH, POST THAT
THE DAY DAY THAT WE JUST OUT THE AIR, THE, UH, AIRBORNE PARTICULATES.
BECAUSE WHAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT IT'S OKAY FOR PEOPLE, UH, INHALE ANIMAL WASTE, FECES AND URINE FROM GUYS, SPORES, MOLD, HERBICIDES, PESTICIDE, CERTAIN DAYS A WEEK ON CERTAIN DAYS A WEEK.
WEAR MERCURY, COPPER, AIC, THE, I KNOW.
NO, BUT THIS IS IMPLYING THAT IT'S NOT THE GARDENER THAT'S, THAT'S EXPOSED TO THIS.
BUT WE THE GARDEN, DO WE KNOW THAT? BECAUSE USUALLY THE SMALL, THE PARTICLE, THE, THE, THE LIST, THEY TRAVEL.
SO MY QUESTION IS, I DON'T KNOW, I I I'M JUST, WE'RE GOING TO AS A GOVERNMENT, MAKE THESE AFFIRMATIVE STATEMENTS MM-HMM.
AND IT ALSO IN HERE, UM, IT ALSO IN HERE SAYS, UM, UH, CAN LODGE IN THE LUNGS, CHILDREN, ELDERLY INDIVIDUALS, ASTHMA AND PEOPLE OF COLOR ARE PARTICULARLY AT RISK.
AND WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF B P W PEOPLE WHO ARE PEOPLE OF COLOR.
AND WE'RE SAYING IT'S OKAY, RIGHT.
FOR YOU TO DO THIS FOR CERTAIN DAYS OF THE WEEK.
I, MY QUESTION IS THAT, I MEAN, THAT COULD, I THINK THAT STATEMENT COULD BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION, BUT DOES THAT HAVE TO BE IN THE LAW? NO, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
BECAUSE THAT, WHEN I READ THAT, YOU KNOW, IT GETS ITS DRAFT FORM.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO AT DRAFT.
YOU KNOW, WE, LOOK, I I, YOU KNOW, IT, IT STRUCK TO ME THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAS TO BE, I THINK THE GOAL WAS IS MINIMIZE IT.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, GO FROM A SEVEN DAY TO A FOUR DAY DAY TO A FOUR DAY OPERATION, WHICH HAS PROS AND CONS TO IT.
WE'RE ALSO MAKING A STATEMENT THAT WE KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO TRANSITIONING.
ONE IS NOISE AND THE OTHER IS POLLUTION.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REALLY HAVE TO CODIFY THAT.
IF WE INCORPORATE THE LAW, WHAT WE'RE REALLY CODIFYING WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO.
THAT I DON'T THINK THAT'S BE CHANGE IT, WE COULD CHANGE IT, BUT IT'S BASICALLY GIVING LIKE A LEAF BLOWER HOLIDAY A FEW DAYS A WEEK.
THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THIS SAYS.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT BASICALLY A, A FANTASTIC LAW.
THE MONEY YOU SAW TODAY, IT'S BASICALLY A TRANSITION LAW THAT IS GETTING PEOPLE, UH, USED TO, UH, LIVING WITHOUT LEAF BLOWERS.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IF IT WORKS, THEN IT COULD LAND UP BEING EXTENDED AND PEOPLE WILL START GETTING USED TO DOING THINGS DIFFERENTLY.
IF IT DOESN'T WORK, THEN WE WILL, WE'LL, I, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR HOMEOWNERS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY WANT TO GET DONE OR NOT.
BUT, UH, ON THE PARKS END, WE WILL BE USING UNDER, IF THIS WAS PUT IN ONE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW THE FOUR DAYS REALLY LIKE TWICE A DAY.
AND IF ON BIG STUFF, AND WE CAN, WE WOULDN'T BE REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE WOULD BE USING LEAF POLES, NO DOUBT.
OTHERWISE WE WAIT UNTIL THE FOLLOWING MONDAY OR TUESDAY OR WHATEVER DAYS WE PICK TUESDAY, THURSDAY.
SO WE'RE TAKING THE FIRST STEP.
SO TIM, WHAT WERE THE TIMES ON THE WEEKENDS?
[01:10:01]
I THINK IN ONE OF THE DRAFT WE WERE TALKING AFTER 11 AND UM, YOU COULD USE A LEAFBLOWER AND YOU'D HAVE TO STOP AT EITHER FIVE OR SIX, DEPENDING ON THE DAY.AND ALSO, LET ME SAY, THIS ONE'S 10 TO THESE WERE, THIS WAS NINE TO FIVE.
THIS WAS ALL, YOU KNOW, I CAME UP WITH ALL DATES AND TIMES.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW HOW DETAIL ORIENTED NOW YOU, SO I'M SAYING IF THE BOARD WANTS TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY IF THESE TIMES AND THE EXCEPTIONS DON'T MAKE THAT MUCH SENSE AND YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT, YOU ARE AROUND OR YOU WANT TO MAKE IT HALF DAYS OR WHATEVER.
YOU KNOW, YOU COULD, WE COULD, YOU COULD FOOL AROUND WITH, UH, WITH THE SCHEDULE THAT I PUT IN AND THE EXCEPTIONS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I COULD LIVE WITH THAT.
YOU KNOW, TO ME THE GOAL IS REALLY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT COULD PASS, BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR LIKE 30 YEARS AND NOTHING'S EVER HAPPENED.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, IN ALL DUE RESPECT FOR PEOPLE WHO, UM, STILL ENGAGE IN RELIGIOUS ACTIVITIES ON THE WEEKENDS HMM.
THAT, UM, A TIMEFRAME LIKE ONE TO FIVE.
'CAUSE YOU SORT OF SIX O'CLOCK ON SATURDAY, SUNDAY IT'S DINNER HOUR.
UNTIL, YOU KNOW, THE HAVE, HAVE TO BE SUBJECTED TO GAS POWER LEAF GROWERS AT THAT TIME OF THE EVENING AND EARLY.
I I, I JUST WANNA FINISH MY POINT AND EARLY, UM, ON SATURDAY OR SUNDAYS, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE TEND, WE WENT TO SERVICES ON SATURDAY, SOME PEOPLE TEND ON SUNDAY.
AND UM, UH, 11 O'CLOCK IS JUST TOO EARLY.
PEOPLE ARE STILL, UM, ENGAGED IN, IN RELIGIOUS SERVICES.
THE, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATING IN AT HOME VIA ZOOM AND UM, OR YOUTUBE, WHATEVER.
AND AS, AS JERRY SAID, YES, IT IS BOTH A NOISE, UH, AND A POLLUTION ISSUE.
AND, UM, WEEKENDS, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S REALLY A QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE TOO.
TO ALLOW LEAF BLOWERS TO BE BLOWING FROM 11 TILL 6:00 PM ON, ON A WEEKDAY, ON, ON, ON A WEEKEND IS OUTRAGEOUS.
WE COULD TAKE OUT ALL THE POWER WE HAVE TALKING ABOUT WHY WE'RE DOING IT AND ALL THAT, BECAUSE THAT YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE TO PUT THAT IN.
AND THEN DOES, DOES ANYONE ON THE BOARD WANT TO LOOK AT THE VERSION YOU HAVE AND THEN, UH, YOU COULD TWEAK IT AND THEN WE COULD MAYBE, UH, WHICH VERSION ARE WE WORKING FROM? YEAH, THE ONE THAT I JUST EMAILED YOU, HE KEPT SENDING ME, SENDING US DIFFERENT VERSION.
NO, I JUST SENT YOU, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, THERE'S ONLY ONE VERSION THAT WE JUST EMAIL ME IS THE ONE I, I PRINTED THAT ONE OUT.
SO SOMEONE WILL SEND OUT A VERSION IF YOU WANNA WORK ON IT AND, AND COME UP WITH MORE REALISTIC OR REASONABLE HOURS.
I'D RATHER TAKE OUT WHAT THE BILLS ARE.
LARGE AMOUNT IS DONE BECAUSE YOU TAKE OUT, RIGHT.
MAYBE WE JUST TAKE OUT ALL THE, UM, JUST HAVE A SIMPLE OR, YOU KNOW, VERY SHORT TO THE POINT AND KIND OF LIKE THE ONE I SUGGESTED THREE, FOUR WEEKS AGO.
TWEAKED WITH TWICE THE NUMBER OF WORDS.
ALL I SAY ON THE WEEKDAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR TOWN EMPLOYEES AND MOST LANDSCAPERS, IT'S USUALLY LIKE, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN EIGHT, EIGHT AND FOUR.
SO IF WE WENT TO LATER TO SIX, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO ADJUST OUR STAFF TO STAY AROUND ON THOSE DAYS MM-HMM.
UH, ALTHOUGH MAYBE NOT SO MUCH SINCE COVID
BUT AGAIN, PEOPLE ARE GONNA HAVE TO ADJUST.
THEY, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE RESTRICT, YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE IMPLEMENTING RESTRICTIONS, SOME PEOPLE WHO WILL COME HOME ARE GONNA HAVE TO KEEP THEIR WINDOWS AND DOORS CLOSED DURING THE TIME THAT LEAD FLOWS ARE BEING OPERATED.
YOU CAN'T, 'CAUSE EVERYBODY CAN'T HAPPY AT THE SAME TIME
NOT SO I'M JUST, SORRY JUDGE, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.
SO WHO'S DOING THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ON THIS? WHO'S DOING ENFORCEMENT ON THIS? POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I THINK THE BASE IN CODE ENFORCEMENT ON THE DECIBEL LEVEL
[01:15:01]
IS A NON-STARTER.THAT'S JUST TOO HARD TO, TOO HARD TO MANAGE DEC LEVEL.
WELL, IT'S USUALLY IN THE SEVENTIES.
WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW AND BE MORE THAN 55.
IT'S, IT'S WAY TOO HARD TO LOOK.
IT'S, AND THESE DECIMALS IS USUALLY WITHIN, THEY'RE VERY HIGH WITH THE MACHINE.
IT'S NOT EVEN, AND THERE'S AMBIENT OTHER AMBIENT DOORS AND THAT'S USUALLY LIKE, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE 50 FEET OR A HUNDRED FEET BACK.
SO WE'RE CURRENTLY AT, WELL, AND WHEN I'M SPEAKING WE GET TO 71 DECIBELS.
SO WE'RE ABOUT 50 DECIBELS JUST WITH AMBIENT, JUST AMBIENT NOISE.
AND WE'RE SAYING YOU CAN'T LOSE YOUR LEAFBLOWER.
AND, AND THAT'S A NON-STARTER.
SO THE NOISE ORDINANCE ITSELF, WHERE IT SAYS 55 NEEDS TO BE AMENDED, ADDRESS THIS ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.
LESS BER NOW WAS SUPREME COURT JUDGE, UH, WHEN HE WAS ON THE BOARD, I DON'T KNOW, LATE EIGHTIES, NINETIES, YEAH.
HIS, HIS, HIS BIGGEST HEADACHE WAS HAD A DEAL THAT LEAVES.
WELL, JUST TO KEEP YOU ON SCHEDULE, PAUL, BECAUSE I SAY IT'S EIGHT O'CLOCK.
UM, AND PETE, WHO'S BEEN HERE SINCE JERRY NEXT NO.
OH, JUST, UH, THE WESTCHESTER POWER AND THAT'S A, WHAT ABOUT THE FARMERS MARKET? IS THIS SOMETHING FARMER MARKET THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, THAT THIS SOMETHING ABOUT THE FARMERS MARKET? YOU THAT'S EXACTLY DISCUSS IT.
THEY STILL HAVE A COUPLE ISSUES WITH THE, UH, THE, THE CON PERFORM CONTRACT, RIGHT? YES.
WE ACTUALLY, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE EXECUTIVE TIME, BUT TIM'S GONNA BE WORKING ON THAT.
I THINK I'VE BEEN GIVEN SOME DIRECTION.
AND WESTCHESTER POWER IS THAT, DO YOU WANT, HOW DO WE WANNA DEAL WITH THAT? WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS? WE COULD CONTINUE THE ARRANGEMENT WITH THEM.
UM, OR WE DON'T HAVE TO CONTINUE THE ARRANGEMENT WITH THEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, WITH THE, WELL, THAT'S KIND OF SIMPLIFIES IT.
YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY DO REALLY GOOD WORK, BUT SOME PEOPLE RESENT THE FACT THAT SOMETIMES THAT, YOU KNOW, THEIR RATES ARE, YOU KNOW, HIGHER THAN, UM, YOU KNOW, THAN CONED.
AND PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE, SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE OPT, YOU KNOW, THE OPT OUT, YOU KNOW, PROVISIONS.
UM, ALSO DO WE, DO WE HAVE ANY DATA ON HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE OPTED OUT? I MEAN, BECAUSE I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PUBLICITY AND WE'RE PUTTING ON THE WEBSITE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IN RATES ARE AND, UM, I MEAN, I I RECALL US SAYING THAT WE WOULD DO, YOU KNOW, POSTCARD TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN OPT OUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVER BEEN DONE.
I THINK IT WAS DONE AT LEAST ONCE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT IT WASN'T, IT WAS, BUT I THINK, I THINK WE HAD SAID THAT WE WOULD BI-ANNUALLY OR SOMETHING.
AND I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN POSTING ON THE WEBSITE, UH, MONTHLY ANALYSIS.
SO WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, SINCE LAST, LAST YEAR.
BUT THERE WAS SUPPOSED, THERE WAS A POSTCARD THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, WE DO THAT EVERY YEAR.
I THOUGHT IT WAS QUARTERLY EVERY YEAR.
I KNEW IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE QUARTERLY.
SO THEY CAN COMPARE THEIR BILLS AND SEE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'LL HELP DETERMINE, I THINK IT WAS ANNUALLY OPT IN OR OPT OUT.
HOW DO YOU DETERMINE IN A YEAR? I THOUGHT THAT WAS WHAT THE CONTRACT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR.
THE CONTRACT WAS ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE FOR A YEAR.
THERE WAS GONNA BE, IT WAS TWO, I THINK IT WASN'T THIS YEAR.
I THINK IT WAS A THREE YEAR CONTRACT I RECALL FOR TWO YEAR CONTRACT.
WELL, THIS IS, THIS IS TO EXTEND IT TO THE END OF THE YEAR, RIGHT? NO, I THINK IT'S EXTENDING IT FOR, WELL, THAT WAS EXTENDING IT TO THE END OF THE YEAR.
AND IF THEY THEN GET A BIDDER THAT, UM, AGREES TO THE WINDOW OF PRICING, THEN IT WOULD BE EXTENDED FURTHER THAN THAT.
THAT WAS WITH MY RECOLLECTION AS WELL.
THAT WAS, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO WHY WOULD PEOPLE ON THE BOARD WANT TO, DO WE, DO WE KNOW WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVE DONE MOST
[01:20:02]
TO, TO, THEY'VE ALL RECENTLY REPPED.I MEAN, I, I DON'T, I DON'T PERCEIVE A PUBLIC HU AND CRY TO DO AWAY WITH IT.
SO I I'M FINE WITH THE STATUS QUO.
AND MY INCLINATION, INCLINATION IS IF IT'S TO THE END OF THE YEAR, WE SHOULD DO THAT AND THEN REALLY GIVE IT SOME, YOU KNOW, REALLY LOOK AT IT MORE CLOSELY.
BUT IT MAY BE SOMEBODY MEETS OUR, OUR WINDOW, WHICH, UM, WHICH HE DOESN'T THINK SOMEBODY MIGHT DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE FLUCTUATION IN PRICES RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A TERRIBLE TIME TO TALK ABOUT ENERGY, ENERGY PRICES.
AND WHAT ABOUT, UH, IF WE RENEW ON, ON THE CONDITION THAT, UM, THEY SEND OUT A POSTCARD TO EVERYBODY, UM, AS SOON AS THEY GET THE, THE NEW, YOU KNOW, THE NEW PRICE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FIXED PRICE WHERE THE COMPARISON OF UM, UM, YOU KNOW, THE COMPARISON BETWEEN CONED AND UM, YOU KNOW, AND UH, AND THE ESCO DURING THE PAST YEAR BECAUSE THIS WAY, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING TO PEOPLE THERE'S A NEW CONTRACT.
UM, UH, WE'RE NOT GUARANTEEING YOU THAT, UM, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE MONEY.
WE THINK THAT WITH CONED RATES GOING UP, THIS COULD BE BENEFICIAL, BUT THERE'S NO COMMITMENTS.
THIS IS HOW, UH, THE ESCO DID DURING THE PAST YEAR.
AND IF YOU WANT TO OPT OUT, THIS IS THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T INFORM, WE DIDN'T EDUCATE.
WE'RE NOT, UM, WE'RE NOT MISLEADING ANYBODY.
AND UM, AND YOU KNOW, THEY GET OUT A CARD AND THEN WE COULD RENEW IT AND YOU KNOW, AND IF SOMEBODY IS CONCERNED ABOUT ON THE WEBSITE THEIR BUDGET, WE DO BOTH.
NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THEY WOULD'VE TO, THAT WOULD BE THE CONDITION THEY WOULD'VE TO GET DO THAT ONE MAILING WITH A, WITH A YEAR COMPARISON.
BUT HOW ARE YOU CAN REALLY, HOW YOU CAN COMPARE THE YEAR.
YOU NEED THE MICROPHONE IN FRONT OF, I'M A COUNCILMAN NOW, A COUNCIL PERSON.
WHAT DID YOU, HOW DO WE, HOW, HOW DO, HOW DO WE, I HEAR ABOUT THAT FOR A LONG TIME.
HOW DO, HOW DO WE COMPARE A YEAR WHEN WE WERE IN THE SAME SITUATION WERE A YEAR AGO? 'CAUSE REMEMBER THINGS CHANGED.
THE DYNAMICS OF THIS HAS CHANGED.
SO HOW DO WE COMPARE IT? I'M, I'M JUST, I JUST SORT OF FEEL THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
AND THERE'S SOME RESENTMENT THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE TO TAKE AN AFFIRMATIVE STEP TO OPT OUT.
SOME PEOPLE FEEL THAT THE TOWN ISN'T REALLY LEVELING WITH PEOPLE OR YOU KNOW, ALL THE GOVERNMENTS THAT ARE SIGNING BY GIVING PEOPLE THE FACTS.
SO I FEEL THAT IF WE SAY TO PEOPLE, THIS IS OUR EXPERIENCES DURING PAST YEAR OR THE PAST TWO YEARS, OR THE PAST THREE YEARS, ONE YEAR WE DID BETTER.
EVEN IF YOU, WE THINK THAT THIS COULD BE BENEFICIAL, BUT DON'T TAKE OUR WORK FOR IT.
IF YOU ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR RATES, YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.
IT'S LIKE A, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE A, IT'S A CHANCE.
IT'S, IT'S A ROCK IN A HARD PLACE.
THERE'S A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE TRYING.
AND ALSO THE BENEFIT OF STAYING IN WITH THIS IS THAT THIS ORGANIZATION DOES GREAT WORK FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND BASICALLY WE WANT TO PROMOTE OUR, UH, SUSTAINABILITY AND, AND GREEN INITIATIVES.
BUT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S YOUR DECISION.
IF YOU ARE ON A FIXED INCOME, YOU HAVE TO DECIDE FOR YOURSELF WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOOD.
AND YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN, THEN NOBODY COULD SAY THAT WE'RE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT BEING FEAR.
WE, WE GET, WE GET, WE GET TO WORD, WE GET TO WORD THE POSTCARD, WE GET WORD POSTCARD LIKE THE, WE DID LAST TIME POSTCARD.
AND WE WANT A THREE YEAR COMPARISON.
YOU KNOW, LET'S DO REMEMBER IT'S A POSTCARD.
THE MORE YOU PUT ON IT AND THE SMALLER THE PRINT, IT'S LESS LIKELY TO BE READ, READ.
I, YOU REALLY WANT TO JUST WANNA GET THE MESSAGE OF POST INFORMATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OPTING OUT.
AND THEN THEY CAN, YOU CAN DRIVE INTO A WEBSITE AND THEN YOU CAN POST THE, THE RESULTS ON THE WEBSITE.
DO WE HAVE A LONG EXECUTIVE? WE HAVE ONE, YES.
WE HAVE, UH, TWO PERSONNEL MATTERS WITH INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE.
AND IS THERE ANY, ANYTHING ELSE AFTER THAT? UH, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE ONE OR TWO ISSUES INVOLVING, UH, UH, LEGAL ISSUES.
YEAH, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER AGENDA.
YOU'RE MAKING THAT MOTION FOR THOSE REASONS.
[01:25:01]
BE COMING BACK AND WE'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW.