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UM, SO, UH, WELCOME.TODAY IS, UH, MAY 10TH, AND IT'S FIVE, UH, 17.
SORRY FOR THE DELAY IN STARTING THE MEETING.
AND OUR FIRST, UM, PRESENTATION WILL BE A PROPOSAL FOR AN AFFORDABLE, UM, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AT 1 72 NORTH SOMO RIVER ROAD IN ELMSFORD.
YOU WHAT? UH, YOU WANT KICK IT OFF OR NO? ALRIGHT.
UH, JUST FOR THE RECORD SUPERVISOR, WE HAVE, HE'S GONNA, ARE YOU SPEAKING FROM HERE? TAKE THAT MICROPHONE.
SO WE GET A MICROPHONE? THAT'S NO, YOU DON'T, DON'T TAKE A MICRO DON'T TAKE OFF.
UH, GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AND THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT OUR PLAN FOR THAT 1 72 NORTH.
DO YOU WANNA SEE? NO, BECAUSE I GOTTA CLICK THIS TOO.
YOU WANT TAKE THE CHAIR GAVE CLICKER? HUH? CLICKER.
I GAVE, I GAVE YOU THE CLICKER.
YOU GAVE ME THE CLICKER? YEAH.
I, OH, YOU, OH, I CAN DO THE CLICKER FROM THERE.
AS I SAID, THE FIRST SLIDE, UM, I'M THE OWNER IS RE REALTY, L N C, WHICH IS ME.
AND, UH, ALSO I'M THE ONE WHO'S GONNA BE DEVELOPING THAT SITE.
HOPEFULLY, IF WE GET ALL THE APPROVAL I HAVE HERE WITH ME IS CHRISTY AONA.
CHRISTY, YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF OR YOU SHOULD.
I JUST, I'M CHRISTY AONA FROM SILVERBERGS LANIS.
UM, WE'RE ASSISTING, JUST NEED THE MIC.
UH, WE'RE ASSISTING MR. MOREAND WITH, UM, DEVELOPING THE CONCEPTS FOR THIS PROJECT.
I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LITTLE BIT AND I, I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH MR. DUANE ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT IN THE PAST, SO WE'RE HAPPY TO BE HERE THIS EVENING.
DOUGLAS CUTLER, DOUGLAS CUTLER ARCHITECTS, UH, WERE THE ARCHITECTS BEHIND THIS PROJECT AND, UH, WE CAN SPEAK LATER.
AND, UM, I ALSO DON'T HAVE GAIL LER AND ROGER HARRY, WHO ARE GONNA BE DOING THE FINANCING AND PUTTING THE FINANCING TOGETHER FOR THIS PROJECT SO THEY'RE NOT HERE BECAUSE THEY TOLD ME WE DON'T NEED TO.
UM, WELL, THE CONCEPT IS LET'S CONVERT THIS INTO AN AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY NEEDED.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NEED HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO WE CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA OF CONVERTING THIS EXISTING, I WOULD CALL IT A HISTORIC BUILDING.
SOME PEOPLE CALL IT THE ISO, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, CONVERTED TO, TO AFFORDABLE UNIT HOUSING UNIT.
AND IT'S GONNA BE ALSO PORTION OF IT.
10% IS GOING TO, UH, UH, ALLOCATED FOR THE VETERAN.
SO IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING, 10% VETERANS' HOUSING.
SO, UH, THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE AERIAL VIEW, WHICH IS RIGHT, UH, ON NOW OFF NINE A AND ACROSS ACROSS THE BROOKFIELD, UH, I GUESS JUNKY THEY CALL IT, OR BROOK OR AN AUTO AUTOZONE, ANEX DUNKING DONUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA.
I MEAN, THIS IS, UH, BASICALLY I PUT THIS UP TO SHOW WHAT IS AFFORDABLE ACCORDING TO THE GOVERNMENT.
AFFORDABLE, IF FAMILY HAS SPENT NO MORE THAN 30% OF THEIR INCOME TO LEAVE, THERE IS 30% AM LIFE.
NO, YOU SAID IT SAID IT'S 60%.
BUT WITHOUT SPENDING MORE THAN 30% OF YOUR GROSS INCOME.
I DIDN'T ALL, AND SO BASICALLY WHAT WE SAYING THAT WE ARE GONNA CONVERT THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT TO ELIGIBLE HOUSEHOLD THAT EARNED AT BELOW 60% OF THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY AREA.
A M I THAT'S WHAT THAT ONE SAID.
ARE YOU'RE DOING AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR YOU'RE DOING WORKFORCE HOUSING? THE PERCENTAGE IS DIFFERENT.
NOW WE CALL IT AFFORDABLE SLASH WORKFORCE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING YOU IS WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THE MICROPHONES THE PERCENTAGE ON AFFORDABLE AND THERE'S A PERCENTAGE ON WORKFORCE.
MOST OF THEM IS GOING TO BE WORKFORCE, BUT, UH, DEFINITELY AROUND 60 60% IS GONNA BE WORKFORCE AND THEIR 40% IS GOING TO BE 10%, UH, S AND 30% IS GONNA BE AFFORDABLE.
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I'M SORRY, CAN WE DO THOSE NUMBERS AGAIN? YOU SAID 60% IS AFFORDABLE? NO, WORKFORCE.WORKFORCE, 30% IS GONNA BE AFFORDABLE AND 30% IS AFFORDABLE.
AND 10% VETERAN, REGARDLESS OF INCOME, WELL, THEY GOTTA BE QUALIFIED BECAUSE THERE IS A QUALIFICATION PROCEDURE THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO, UH, GET, UH, THAT RENTER.
OH, SO, AND IT'S A PROCEDURE BEING VETERANS, IT'S ALSO THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO QUALIFY FOR THE AFFORDABLE OR THE WORKFORCE? YES.
AND WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE APARTMENTS, OR WHAT NUMBERS OF THE UNITS WILL BE RIGHT NOW WE SHOULD FORCED AFFORDABLE AND, OH, I DIDN'T BREAK IT DOWN THERE, BUT I, RIGHT NOW, WE ARE LOOKING TO BUILD A HUNDRED UNITS OVER THERE IN THAT LOCATION.
SO 40, A HUNDRED UNITS OF AFFORDABLE OR WORKFORCE HOUSING? RIGHT.
THE COMBINATION IS, UH, IS GONNA BE, YOU CAN BREAK IT DOWN 10%.
IT'S GONNA BE 10 OF THEM WITH 10 OF THE UNITS GOING TO BE FOR VETERANS.
UH, 60%, UH, IS GONNA BE WORKFORCE HOUSING.
AND, UH, YOU'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE STATE.
DO YOU FEEL THAT, UH, THE STATE WOULD COME THROUGH WITH THE FUNDING? WELL, UH, THE FIRST MEETING, ACTUALLY, THIS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, PAUL, THIS THING STARTED FROM, UH, WHEN I FIRST MET THIS, UH, GENTLEMAN FROM THE COUNTY.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WAS HIS NAME? DO YOU REMEMBER WHICH GENTLEMAN FROM THE COUNTY? YES, FROM THE COUNTY.
UH, WE, WE HAD A MEETING AND THIS IDEA OF, UH, AFFORDABILITY ACTUALLY CAME THROUGH THAT, UH, SITE, WHO IS THE GENTLEMAN FROM THE COUNTY.
UH, WE HAD A MEETING, BUT THAT WAS TED LINEBACK.
NO, TED DOESN'T, BUT I CAN GET THE, FROM THE, I GUESS FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING TODAY, YOU WANT TO SEE IF THE TOWN BOARD WOULD BE OPEN TO, UH, TO PURSUING THIS.
AND IF WE'RE RECEPTIVE, THEN WE COULD WORK, YOU KNOW, WITH YOU AND WITH THE COUNTY TO, UM, AND THE STATE TO BASICALLY GET THE FUNDING, YOU KNOW, IN PLACE.
SO THE FIR THE FIR THE PROBLEM IS, THE FIRST STEP IS WE HAVE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF, UM, YOU COULD GET THE FUNDING WOULD BE OPEN TO THIS.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD ALL WORK TOGETHER TO SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
BECAUSE I THINK RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, YOU CAME UP WITH A CONCEPT, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO AND NOTHING HAPPENED.
SO IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY NOT, YOU KNOW, WE, I I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO HAVE COMMITMENTS RIGHT NOW.
BUT, BUT, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK THAT THERE'S DEFINITELY A NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WORKFORCE HOUSING AND, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST WITH OTHER PROJECTS, IF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY'S SUPPORTIVE, IF THE TOWN BOARD'S SUPPORTIVE, WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL REACH OUT TO THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD IF THEY'RE SUPPORTIVE, THEN WE WILL GO TO THE STATE AND WE'LL GO TO THE COUNTY AND WE'LL, WE WILL DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
AND ACTUALLY, THE EMAIL THAT YOU SENT OUT TO, UH, MAYOR OF SWA, HE WAS VERY SUPPORTIVE, UH, REPLIED BACK, UH, ON THE FIRST TIME THAT I ASKED YOU TO SET UP THIS MEETING.
THE IDEA IS THAT, WELL, UH, WE, WE ARE LOOKING TO SEE WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET SUPPORT FROM THIS GROUP AND COUNTIES ALREADY BEHIND IT, FINANCING.
WE HAVE A GIRL AND ROGER, WHO WORKED EXTENSIVELY BEFORE EVEN I CAME HERE, THEY, THEY BROKE IT DOWN TO WHERE THEY CAN GET THESE MONEY FROM, INCLUDING HARD BONDS AND, UH, LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT.
UH, THEY, THEY HAVE ALREADY THAT SET UP, BUT WE GOTTA SEE WHEN WE GONNA DO THAT, THE MARKET IS CHANGING, AND SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT ON THIS.
AND THIS IS GONNA BE WITHIN LIKE, WALKING DISTANCE OF THE NEW SHOPRITE, ISN'T IT? ABSOLUTELY.
IT IS A WALKING TO
SO THERE'S REALLY AN ADVANTAGE TO RES WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABILITY AND THE BENEFITS FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT.
IF YOU HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT'S WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF A SUPERMARKET, WALKING DISTANCE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, SAM'S CLUB, UH, AND IN THE AREA THAT'S RIGHT NOW SOMEWHAT BLIGHTED, I THINK THAT THIS COULD BE, YOU KNOW, AN ADVANTAGE BECAUSE THIS IS PROBABLY LIKE THE UGLIEST, UM, SECTION IN THE TOWN, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, EVERY TIME I DRIVE THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S DEPRESSING.
SO IF YOU HAVE QUALITY NEW HOUSING, MAYBE IT WILL RESULT IN, UM, IN LIKE A REVITALIZATION OF THAT AREA.
AND OTHER, UH, QUALITY DEVELOPMENTS, UH, YOU KNOW, BEING BUILT.
THAT'S JUST MY OWN PERSONAL FEELING.
IT CERTAINLY HAS DIRECT, EXCUSE ME, CERTAINLY HAS DIRECT ACCESS TO 2 87 AND 87.
IS IT ON A BUS LINE? IS THAT A BUS LINE? YES, YES.
YEAH, I MEAN, YOU HAVE THE BUS LINE THERE ACROSS THE STREET.
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LINE TO THE WHITE PLAIN, UH, BUS DEPOT.AND, UH, PAUL, AS YOU SAID, I'VE BEEN, WE OWN THAT PLACE FOR, I MEAN, FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT'S A GAME CHANGER, AS YOU SAID.
WHAT KIND, THAT'S KIND CHANGED THIS WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHAT KIND OF PROVISION FOR PARKING ARE YOU MAKING? UH, WE HAVE 120 CARS AND, UH, THIS DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S, YEAH, I GUESS IT IS WORKING OFF.
AND, UH, THE ADVANTAGE IS THAT WE HAVE A CHANGE OF GRADE.
SO THE REAR STREET BACK HERE IS, UH, ABOUT ONE LEVEL UP.
SO WE CAN ENTER PARKING IN THE BACK, WHICH YOU CAN SEE A PEAK OVER HERE.
UM, AND THEN ON THE MAIN ROAD WE HAVE ACCESS FOR PARKING HERE.
SO THE, UH, TRAFFIC IS SORT OF DISTRIBUTED RATHER THAN BEING CONCENTRATED.
AND THEN THIS IS OPPOSITE ANOTHER STREET, WHICH DOESN'T SHOW ON THE RENDERING.
AND THEN, UM, SO IT'S GONNA BE UNDERGROUND PARKING? YES.
SOME PORTIONS GONNA BE UNDERGROUND.
THE OTHER PORTION IS GONNA BE, UM, UH,
AND TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT, WE HAVE IVY, WE HAVE THIS LATTICE WORK WITH IVY GROWING ON IT, SO IT DOESN'T LOOK INSTITUTIONAL.
AND, UH, THAT'S WHAT I TRIED TO DO WITH THE ARCHITECTURE WAS TO BREAK IT UP SO THAT THERE'S THIS MASS HERE, AND THEN THERE'S THESE WINGS.
AND THEN OF COURSE WE'VE GOT A GREEN ROOF.
UH, SO WE WANT TO BRING THE LIVING TO THE ROOF.
IT REDUCES THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT.
WE HAVE SOLAR THAT COULD, UH, PICK UP ON, UH, SOME OF THE COMMON AREA SPACES, HALLWAYS, SO ON, ADD TO THE GRID, EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GETTING GREEN.
AND, UM, THEN, UH, WE HAVE SOME LANDSCAPING ALONG THE FRONT HERE.
AND EVEN, UH, ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, WE TRY TO INCORPORATE THE IVY WALL, UH, TO COVER SOME OF THE PARKING WE'VE GOTTEN, UM, IN THIS AREA.
YOU KNOW, SOME FLOOD, YOU KNOW, MAJOR FLOODING.
UM, IS THERE, SOMETIMES IN THE PAST WHEN THERE'S BEEN, UH, NEW DEVELOPMENTS, UH, THE DEVELOPER HAS IMPROVED THE DRAINAGE.
IF, UM, IF THIS WOULD BE APPROVED, UH, WOULD THERE BE ANY, UH, UH, FLOOD, YOU KNOW, BENEFIT BENEFITS IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING THE FLOODING PROBLEM IN THAT AREA? LIKE DRAINAGE WISE, I THINK, WELL, UH, MY CLIENT IS AN ENGINEER, CIVIL ENGINEER, AND I'M SURE WE COULD PUT SOME CALTECH OR SOME UNDERWATER STORAGE THAT CAN RELEASE.
AND ALSO WHAT WE WERE LOOKING, WHICH IS YOU TO TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE.
BUT, BUT WHAT I WAS LOOKING TO DO ALSO PART OF THIS, UH, DRAINAGE, UH, ISSUE AND IN GENERAL, UH, KEEPING THE STORM FROM GOING TO THE BASEWATER TREATMENT AND CITY OF NEW YORK IS DOING THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH BIO SWELL.
YOU'RE GOING BE TAKING SECTION OF THE SIDEWALK AROUND HERE AND MAYBE EVEN PASS OUR, UH, PROPERTY, BUILD THIS BIO SWELL.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS WHAT BIO SWELL IS EVERY TIME YOU RAINS, INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE CATCH BASIN, WE WILL GO HERE, WE PLANT, AND THE WATER IS GONNA, PER IT DOWN THERE, WILL PREVENT IT FROM GOING INTO THE CATCH BASIN, WHICH WE KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO END UP IN A TREATMENT PLANT.
MOST OF THE TIME THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO TREAT IT.
THEY'RE GOING TO OPEN, OPEN UP THE GATE AND SEND IT TO THE RIVER, THE AREA, WHICH WE DON'T WANT THAT.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE PLAN WE GONNA DO FOR DRAINAGE SOLUTION.
AND WE HAVE BUNCH OF OTHER, UH, IDEA THAT WE GOING TO AT THE TIME OF THE FORMULA DESIGN.
WELL, I'M SORRY, I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT THE CROSS STREET IS THAT YOU WOULD ACCESS THE PARKING AT THE BACK FROM 9:00 AM SURE.
UM, YEAH, I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I, THIS IS, I KNOW THE, THE STREET BEHIND IT'S NORTH LAWN AVENUE, BUT I NORTH LAWN.
BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THE ONE BY CARDWELL, THE ONE THAT'S ONE WAY TO ACCESS IT, GO BACK AND TRY TO GO TO NORTH LAWN AVENUE.
RIGHT ACROSS, UH, SAM CALL DI STREET.
THIS REPRESENTS THE DUNKIN DONUTS HERE, JUST AS AN ORIENTATION, BUT THAT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE.
SO JUST, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD YOU HERE BEFORE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT PROPOSALS.
WHAT CONCERNS ME IS, YOU KNOW, WE COME WITH PR PRETTY PICTURES AND TALKING ABOUT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE.
AND NOW YOU'VE SPOKEN TO THE COUNTY, YOU DON'T REMEMBER WHO I CAN'T GIVE, BUT YOU, BUT YOU HAVE A HISTORY.
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PLEASE, YOU HAVE A HISTORY OF CODE VIOLATIONS ON YOUR BUILDING OVER THE YEARS, AND THAT'S VERY FRUSTRATING TO US AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.AND SO WHEN PEOPLE SAY IT'S, YOU KNOW, RUN DOWN, YOU'VE DONE CONVERSIONS OF RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL AND VICE VERSA WITHOUT PERMITS, I WOULD LIKE TO BE SURE THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT AND DOESN'T GET BUILT.
YOU DON'T GET THE MONEY TO FINANCE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND YOU BASICALLY GET A WINDFALL ON HAVING VIOLATED OUR CODE FOR MANY YEARS.
UH, DO YOU, ARE YOU COMING IN WITH A, A DESCRIPTION LIKE MOST PEOPLE DO OF WHAT THE CURRENT ZONING IS AND WHAT VARIANCES YOU WOULD NEED IN ORDER TO DO THIS? YES.
OR, OR, OR TEXT AMENDMENTS? UM, SO I COULD SPEAK TO THAT, THAT THIS IS GOING TO REQUIRE, AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE THIS AFTERNOON, THIS EVENING, IS, UM, THIS IS CERTAINLY GOING TO REQUIRE SOME SORT OF ZONE TEXT AMENDMENT AND OR ZONE CHANGE FROM THIS BOARD.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE KNOWN FOR A WHILE.
UM, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY IN THE CB DISTRICT, WHICH DOES ALLOW MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS, DOES ALLOW RESIDENTIAL, BUT CERTAINLY NOT TO THE LEVEL OF DENSITY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE.
UM, SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DID HAVE PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS.
I HAVE LOOKED AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND A LOT OF THE THEMES THAT WERE REFERENCED EARLIER REGARDING AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING, ACCESS TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND WALKABILITY ARE CERTAINLY THINGS THAT ARE IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ARE CONSISTENT WITH THIS PROPOSAL.
SO WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, WITH THE CONCEPT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WERE WILLING TO SEE GO FURTHER, UM, THAT WE COULD PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING, THERE IS CURRENTLY THE M 1 74 DISTRICT THAT WOULD ALLOW THE LEVEL OF DENSITY, UM, AND ACTUALLY ALLOWS GREATER DENSITY THAN WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE.
THE PROBLEM IS, THE WAY THE CODE CURRENTLY WORKS IS THAT THERE'S A BIG GAP IN THOSE DENSITY LIMITS.
SO WE WOULDN'T REALLY NEED TO GO TO M 1 74, BUT IF YOU WENT TO THE ONE THAT WAS LOWER THAN THAT, AND UM, PERHAPS GARRETT COULD SPEAK TO THAT, UM, BUT THEN, THEN IT WOULDN'T ACCOMMODATE IT.
SO WE COULD EITHER TRY TO WORK IN THE 1 74 ZONE, UM, IN WHICH CASE WE WOULD NEED A ZONE TEXT, A ZONE CHANGE TO THAT ZONE.
HOWEVER, WE WOULD PROBABLY THEN ALSO NEED VARIANCES BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD COMPLY WITH THE SETBACK IN SOME OF THE OTHER BULK REQUIREMENTS.
OR WE COULD TRY TO WORK WITH THE BOARD TO COME UP WITH A NEW ZONE.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SOME OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS IN THE TOWN THAT WERE PART OF URBAN RENEWAL.
AND SO THERE MAY BE SOME WAY TO KIND OF CREATE A ZONE THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE A, A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT PROPERTIES THAT THAT MAY TIE UP SOME LOOSE ENDS FOR THE TOWN.
IN THE PAST, UM, WHEN WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH HOUSING, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE A DEVELOPER COME IN HERE OR A PROPERTY OWNER, AND THEN THEY FLIP THE PROPERTY AFTER THEY GET THEIR APPROVALS, YOU KNOW, THEY SELL THE PROPERTY.
UM, IT, ARE YOU PLANNING TO BE THE DEVELOPER OR ARE YOU, ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITY OF SELLING, UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN HAVING SOMEBODY ELSE, UM, YOU KNOW, BUILD IT? NO, UH, PAUL, AS I SAID ON THE TOP, UH, AT THE BEGINNING I SAID, I'M GONNA BE THE ENGINEER AND OWNER, AND THE DEVELOPER RIGHT THERE IS SAYS ENGINEER DEVELOPER, I'M GONNA BE DEVELOPING IT.
PAUL JUST, UH, THREW THIS OUT THERE IS NOT BENEFICIAL FOR ME TO GO AFFORDABLE.
I JUST WANT THROW THIS OUT THERE.
BY THE WAY, JUST TO ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTION, SINCE 2010 THAT WE CONVERTED TO LEGAL AID FAMILY, IT'S PERFECTLY LEGAL.
EVERYTHING'S GOOD, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY VIOLATION.
THE POINT IS, I DECIDE TO CONVERT THIS TO AFFORDABLE TO PAY BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AFTER 40 YEARS OF WORK.
YOU KNOW, BEING HERE IN THIS TOWN, THAT'S THE REASON.
AND THERE'S NO MONEY IN IT FOR ME, WHEN I DO CONVERT THAT PROPERTY INTO AFFORDABLE POLE, IT'S ABSOLUTELY NO MONEY BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS GONNA BE PAID OFF BY TAX BOUND, BY BOND AND TAXPAYER AND, AND OTHER VARIABLE HEART.
AND THOSE MONEY HAS TO BE RETURNED BACK.
THE ONLY WAY THERE IS MONEY IN IT IS IF I GET TO MANAGE IT.
WELL, I LIKE THE IDEA THAT HERE YOU HAVE LIKE A, IT'S SO HARD TO GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUILT ANYWHERE, AND EVERY TIME THERE'S A PROPOSAL, IT'S, YOU KNOW, HALF THE TIME IT'S CONTROVERSIAL.
SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED UNITS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH WOULD BE, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW, WHICH WOULD BE, I THINK, A FANTASTIC ASSET.
AND I ALSO FEEL THAT YOU'RE TAKING A BLIGHTED AREA, UM, AND YOU'RE CREATING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT WHOLE AREA EVENTUALLY TO BECOME, YOU KNOW, MORE ATTRACTIVE.
MY WIFE, UH, UH, LIVED AT THE, YOU KNOW, THE CONDOS THERE WHEN SHE WAS,
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UH, WHEN THEY JUST HAD BUILT IT, YOU KNOW MM-HMM.SO THERE WAS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, UH, UGLY, UM, YOU KNOW, STORM RIVER ROAD WAS ALWAYS UGLY.
SO THIS IS, TO ME, THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, REALLY, REALLY NICE.
UM, SO I DEFINITELY WOULD LOVE TO SEE, UH, SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPEN.
THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, LET'S ASSUME THAT THE BOARD IN CONCEPT, YOU KNOW, LIKES US, YOU KNOW, AND WE PUT IN THE CONTROLS.
SO THE CONCERNS, YOU KNOW, FRANCIS HAS, YOU KNOW, THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S GONNA BE AFFORDABLE.
UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO WIGGLE ROOM.
UM, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, SO WE DEFINITELY ARE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PROMISES MADE ARE, ARE KEPT.
GARRETT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEPS, UM, YOU KNOW, TO SORT OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S LIKE STEP 2, 1, 2, 3, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAS TO BE DONE.
SO, UM, GARRETT, YES, THANK YOU.
AND, UM, AS WITH ANY ZONE CHANGE, AS THE BOARD KNOWS, UM, BEFORE EVEN CONSIDER STEP ONE, I THINK YOU WANNA THINK ABOUT A ZONE CHANGE IN THE, THROUGH THE LENS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND, UH, I DO BELIEVE THAT, UM, THERE ARE ENOUGH, UM, POLICIES IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SUPPORTIVE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT, UM, THIS CONCEPT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD, YOU COULD ENTERTAIN IT AS, AS, AS, AS A, AS A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL.
UM, I DIDN'T GET THE SENSE THAT WHEN THE APPLICANT OR THIS GENTLEMAN CAME IN A COUPLE YEARS AGO, UH, WITH A STRAIGHT, UH, MARKET RATE, UH, BUILDING THAT THE TOWN BOARD, WE WAS SUPPORTIVE.
UM, AND I THINK IF YOU ARE SUPPORTIVE NOW, THE FACT THAT IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE DOES PUT IT IN SORT OF A SPECIAL CONSIDERATION CLASS.
I ALSO THINK IT'S SIGNIFICANT THAT IT EXISTS WITH MULTI-FAMILY, UM, BECAUSE FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, I SAY TO MYSELF, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU KNOW 2, 2, 2 UNITS DOWN THE SECOND YOU BLESS THIS CONCEPT, UM, WHY CAN'T THEY? UM, SO I THINK WHAT DIFFERENTIATES THIS PROPERTY IS IT'S THE LOAN, UH, MULTIFAMILY BUILDING ON THE BLOCK, IF YOU WILL.
THEREFORE, I DO THINK THE BOARD CAN CONSIDER IT AS A STANDALONE PROJECT.
SO I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD NEED TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO ENTERTAIN THIS CONCEPT.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE SPOT ZONING FOR THE REASONS STATED THAT YOU HAVE MULTIFAMILY, YOU'RE INTRODUCING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH IS NEEDED.
IT'S IN A WALKABLE AREA, BECOMING MORE WALKABLE WITH MASS TRANSIT OPTIONS.
SO I DO THINK IT'S CONSISTENT IN CONCEPT WITH THE COMP PLAN.
I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD NEED TO AMEND THE COMP PLAN.
UM, SO HAVING SAID THAT, YES, IF THE BOARD IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE CONCEPT, YES, WE WOULD HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT ZONING MECHANISM WOULD ENABLE THIS.
CLEARLY, THE CB CLOSED BUSINESS, THE EXISTING ZONING DISTRICT WOULD NOT ENABLE SUCH DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IF THE BOARD FELT THAT THERE HAS BEEN, LIKE WITH WEST HAVE THE BOARD DID REZONE A, UH, LESS THAN HALF ACRE PARCEL TO M 1 74 DID IT UNDER A, UH, CONDITION NEGATIVE DECLARATION, WHICH SAID, DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE M 1 74 WOULD ALLOW, YOU KNOW, UM, A HUNDRED UNITS OR SOMETHING ON THAT ORDER, ON THAT SITE, THE BOARD FELT COMFORTABLE WITH 28 UNITS ON THE WEST TAB SITE.
SO YOU COULD DID A CONDITION NEGATIVE DECK IN THAT INSTANCE.
AND THAT'S HOW THE TOWN BOARD REZONED THE SITE AT THAT TIME.
AND THERE WERE, UM, DEEDED RESTRICTIONS PUT ON THE PROPERTY SO THAT THEY CANNOT COME BACK.
UM, SO IF YOU DID GO THE ONE M 74, M 1 74, I DO FEEL WEST TAB PROVIDES A, UM, THROUGH THE SECRET PROCESS, A MECHANISM TO CONTROL THE LEVEL OF DENSITY THAT THE BOARD WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH.
CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, NOT NEARLY ENOUGH INFORMATION TO UNDERSTAND IF THIS SITE HAS THE CAPACITY FOR A HUNDRED, UH, UNITS.
YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE BACK BLOCK, WHICH DOES, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THAT AERIAL PHOTO, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S SHADOW STUDIES, UM, OR JUST DIRECT OUTREACH TO THOSE RESIDENTS TO GET THEIR INPUT, WHICH WE CERTAINLY WILL DO, UM, REGARDLESS, BUT WE CERTAINLY WOULD NEED MORE INFORMATION TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE TRUE CARRYING CAPACITY OF THIS SITE.
UM, OR AS WAS STATED, YES, THERE, THERE COULD BE CONSIDERATION FOR A, A, A NEW CREATION OF A NEW ZONING DISTRICT BETWEEN M 1 74 AND M 25, UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, UH, MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO A CONDITION OF NEG NEGATIVE DECLARATION IF THAT WAS THE CASE.
UM, THE REFERENCE TO THE URBAN RENEWAL, UM, IS THE, UH, MANHATTAN AVENUE MULTI-FAMILY AFFORDABLE BUILDINGS, UH, THEY ARE PRESENTLY ZONED URBAN RENEWAL.
WE HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT A POTENTIAL REZONING KIND OF RUN INTO THE SAME CONCEPT THERE, IF TO ELIMINATE THE URBAN RENEWAL ZONING DISTRICT, UH, ON MANHATTAN AVENUE FOR THE MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS,
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M 1 74.IF YOU WENT TO THAT ZONE, YOU KNOW THAT THOSE ARE BIG SITES, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD ALLOW A THOUSAND UNITS ON THAT SITE MIGHT NOT MAKE SENSE UNLESS YOU CON UH, CONDITIONED NEGATIVE DECLARATION PROCESS.
BUT, UM, I REALLY THINK WHAT'S REALLY THE BOARD WILL WANT TO THINK ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, DO, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE CONCEPT? YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE NUMBER OF UNITS, BUT, UH, THE CONCEPT OF AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT, UH, AT THIS SITE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS GOOD, RIGHT? YEAH.
I MEAN THAT'S, IT'S LIKE MOM AND APPLE PIE AT THIS POINT.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, DOES THAT ACTUALLY FIT ON THE PROPERTY? WILL IT ACTUALLY BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING? YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE KIND THAT THINGS THAT HAVE TO GET WORKED OUT.
BUT WOULD WE BE ABLE TO GO THE NEXT STEP? WE ALSO HAVE A CONDITION, UH, FOR ALL AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT IT HAS TO BE D YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET, YOU KNOW, THE GRANTS OR WHATEVER, THAT IT HAS TO BE FOR 99 YEARS, THAT'S BEEN THE POLICY FOR THE TOWN.
SO IT CAN'T BE AFFORDABLE FOR LIKE 20 YEARS AND THEN, AND THEN GO MARKET, BECAUSE WE REALLY WANT TO KEEP IT AFFORDABLE.
BUT I, I'M SAYING IF, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO, IS THERE SORT OF LIKE A CONSENSUS THAT THE CONCEPT, UH, MERITS GOING TO THE NEXT STEP AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD THEN ASK GARRA TO WORK WITH YOU AND UM, AND THEN WE COULD START MOVING THIS, YOU KNOW, MOVING, YOU KNOW, THIS ALONG.
YOU COULD, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, I'M JUST HEARING THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME SITTING DOWN TODAY.
DO, DO WE HAVE ANY PAPERWORK OR ANYTHING DOCUMENTED THAT WE COULD NO, I'M SAYING MAYBE WHAT WE COULD DO IS IF THE BOARD, IF YOU'RE ASKING ARE WE IN FAVOR OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING? I, I THINK THE ANSWER IS YES.
RIGHT? I THINK WE'RE ALL, MAYBE WHAT WE COULD DO IS IF YOU KNOW THAT IN CONCEPT WE, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, WE BASICALLY ARE FAVORABLY INCLINED, THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD THEN, YOU KNOW, START SPENDING SOME MONEY AND, AND, AND COMING UP WITH A MORE DETAILED PROPOSAL, AND THEN WE COULD THEN START THE, YOU KNOW, THE SERIOUS REVIEW PROCESS.
YOU JUST DIDN'T WANT TO THROW MONEY INTO SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REJECTING IT BEFORE WE EVEN, UH, HAVE A DISCUSSION.
UH, UH, PAUL, AND, UH, WE, WE DID, UH, SPEND QUITE A FEW DOLLARS HERE TO GET EVEN TO THIS POINT.
AND I'M WILLING TO GO THAT ROUTE.
I JUST HAVE TO KNOW WHAT EXACTLY YOU WANT FOR THE NEXT STEP.
AND CAN GIMME WHATEVER DETAIL YOU WANT.
AND THEN WE COULD, WHEN THEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE READY WITH SOMETHING MORE DETAILED, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE COULD CUT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, YOU COULD LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT, THE, YOU KNOW, THE IMPACT TO THE IMMEDIATE, THE, THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS.
THEN YOU COULD SAY, OH, MAYBE IT'S NOT A HUNDRED, MAYBE IT'S 90 OR WHATEVER.
UM, AND THEN YOU COME UP WITH A, A PLAN, A MORE DETAILED ONE, AND THEN WE COULD, YOU KNOW, BE SERIOUS ABOUT IT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHEN I WAS AT FORDHAM, YOU KNOW, I STUDIED URBAN PLANNING AND I JUST THINK THAT FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT, THIS IS, THERE'S SO MANY POSITIVES TO THIS.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION? I SEE YOU DID SOME PRELIMINARY SKETCH OUTS, UM, FOR LAYOUTS.
WHAT SIZE UNITS ARE THESE? 1, 2, 3.
A MIXTURE OF, HAVE THE NUMBER HERE.
UM, UM, I THINK I HAVE IT HERE, DOC.
THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE, WELL, I BREAK IT DOWN INTO FLOORS, BUT, UM, UM, I DON'T HAVE A SUM TOTAL.
I, I, I, UM, UH, THERE'S A MIXTURE OF STUDIOS, OF COURSE.
ONE BEDROOM AND TWO BEDROOMS. IT'S GONNA BE 30 UNIT, UH, STUDIO UP TO 500 SQUARE FEET SPACE AND 45 UNIT OF, UH, 650 AVERAGES SQUARE FEET FOR ONE BEDROOM.
AND TWO BEDROOM IS GONNA BE 25 UNITS.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, GENE FITNESS CENTER WAS ROOFTOP ONE.
AND, BUT THERE'S A BREAKING POINT FOR, UH, THERE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A POINT THAT IF YOU GO BELOW THAT, IT WILL NOT BE VIABLE TO GO THAT ROUTE.
JUST WANNA, WELL, WHAT IS THAT POINT? I THINK THAT ANYTHING FROM 65 AND UP, BUT RIGHT NOW AS THIS, IT'S GOING TO BE AROUND 42 MILLION RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS THE ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW.
SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING 65 AND UP, IT'S WORKABLE.
HOW DID YOU PICK A HUNDRED? NO, ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? YOU CUT DOWN THE NUMBER OF MARKET RATE, UH, AND AFFORDABLE IF THE PERCENTAGE IS GONNA CHANGE, BUT THERE IS NO, THERE'S NO MARKET RATE.
NO, BUT IT WOULD BENEFICIAL TO ME TO GO BY THEN.
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LOCKED DOWN.YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT, I'M SKEPTICAL 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 16 YEARS AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE BEEN HERE A COUPLE OF TIMES.
THAT'S WHY IT'S VERY CLEAR NUMBER.
BUT WHAT IS THAT NUMBER BASED ON THE NUMBER WAS BASED ON THE NUMBER FINANCING THAT THE, MY CONSULTANT GAVE THAT CAME UP WITH THAT NUMBER.
THAT WHAT? THAT BREAKING POINT.
SO BASED ON WHAT HERE, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN FRONT, BUT 65 OVER IS, IS, IS BENEFICIAL TO ME TO GO HUNDRED THOUSAND.
SO IN THE REVIEW PROCESS, FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT WAS SOMEWHAT LESS, COULD YOU GIVE MORE OF A BUFFER TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE BEHIND YOU? WHICH DEPENDING ON, AND I HAVEN'T LOOKED, BUT DEPENDING HOW THE, YOU KNOW, THE SUN RISES AND FALLS MAY BE IN DARKNESS BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT OF YOUR BUILDING COMPARED TO THEIR 25 FOOT HEIGHT HOME.
ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE BENEFIT OF, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS RENDERING RIGHT BEHIND YOU RIGHT NOW, IF YOU, THE, THE, THE HEIGHT THERE, DON, YOU CORRECT ME.
UH, IT'S FAIRLY, EVEN THOUGH IT GOES UP TO SIXTH LEVEL, IT'S STILL FAIRLY CLOSE BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATION DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FRONT LINE A AND THE LONG NORTH LAWN AVENUE.
WE CAN STILL MANAGE TO, UH, BUILD THIS, UH, WITH A NUMBER OF CARS, 120 CARS.
WE, WE WOULD ALSO NEED TO KNOW THINGS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU THINK THAT THE TRAFFIC DENSITY WOULD BE.
UM, ARE THE RESIDENTS GOING TO BE USING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION? HOW MANY CHILDREN ARE YOU EXPECTING? 'CAUSE THAT AFFECTS THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN IN SCHOOLS.
SO THESE ARE, THIS IS ALL THE INFORMATION THAT AMONG OTHER THINGS THAT YOU NEED.
AND THAT VIEW THAT YOU JUST SHOWED US, WAS THE TREE ON YOUR PROPERTY OR ON THE PROP? THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNER'S PROPERTY THAT'S, UH, THAT'S IN OUR PROPERTY RIGHT PAST THE TREE.
UH, BECOME THE SINGLE FAMILY THAT IS RIGHT NEXT.
COULD YOU PUT IT BACK UP ON THE SCREEN PLEASE? IT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS THAT WE HAVE JUST ENOUGH WIDTH FOR A DOUBLE LOADED PARKING.
AND IF, IF THE BUFFER IS INCREASED, THEN WE'RE UNABLE TO HAVE LEGAL PARKING AND THEN IT MIGHT PUT THE WHOLE PROJECT INTO JEOPARDY.
'CAUSE WE'LL JUST WON'T HAVE ENOUGH UNITS, IT WON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING.
SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE UP AGAINST THE WALL, NO PUN INTENDED.
SO, SO WHAT IS THAT IN THE PICTURE THAT WE SEE VIEWS FROM NORTH LAWN AVENUE? THE LEFT PICTURE.
WHAT IS ON THE EXTREME RIGHT IN WHITE.
WHAT IS THAT? THAT'S THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
AND SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE TREE THAT WE SEE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GIVING GREAT SEPARATION IS ON YOUR PROPERTY.
I ESTIMATE THAT, WHICH MEANS THAT THAT HOUSE WAS BUILT ON THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.
NO, THAT HOUSE, THE WAY SHOWS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS ON NORTH LAWN AVENUE AND, AND THEN THE BACKYARD OF THE HOUSE IS DROPPED DOWN TO THE FRONT.
SO IT'S IN THE SIDE YARD THAT'S ON THE SIDE.
YOU OF THE RESIDENCE IS JUST ARBITRARY ONE RIGHT HERE.
ABOUT HOW MANY FEET IS THAT? I THINK IT WOULD BE THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES TREE IN THE SIDE YARD.
I BELIEVE THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT ENCOMPASSES, UH, MAJORITY OF THE, UM, REAR WIDTH TOWARDS THE, THE BACK BLOCK.
SO WE HAVE A FIVE YARD OR A FIVE FOOT SETBACK, UH, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND TO THEN OF COURSE, THERE'S FIVE FOOT SETBACK TO WALK FROM THIS PRIOR TO, TO, UH, TO THE PARKING.
TO, TO THE PARKING AND TO THE FACE OF THE BUILDING.
SO THE FACE OF THE BUILDING IS FIVE FEET IN RIGHT NOW.
I, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I WE WERE VERY COGNIZANT OF THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY, I MEAN, IT INCREASES A LITTLE BIT DOWN HERE, UH, TO MINIMIZE THE, UH, IMPACT OF THE WALL.
WE, YOU KNOW, WE DID THAT IVY WALL, WHICH I THINK IS VERY PRETTY AND IT'S, IT SOFTENS IT AND IT GIVES GREEN, COULD YOU SEE, SO WHATEVER DOCUMENTATION YOU COULD SEND US, THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL SO THAT WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
SO I'M JUST AN INQUISITIVE TOWN CLERK AND I'M, I DON'T HAVE A VOTE ON THIS MATTER AT ALL, BUT BASED ON THE FACT THAT 75% OF YOUR PROJECTED, UM, UNITS ARE EITHER STUDIO OR ONE BEDROOM, WOULD IT BE REASONABLE TO ASSUME THAT YOU ARE BASICALLY TARGETING WORKFORCE INDIVIDUALS, PEOPLE WHO MAY BE COLLEGE GRADUATES? UM, PEOPLE
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WHO ARE LOOKING FOR, UM, A, UH, A, A FIRST TIME, A PLACE TO LIVE THAT THEY CAN AFFORD.UM, AND, AND A, A LESS OF AN EMPHASIS ON FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN WHO MAY IMPACT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
IS, IS THAT, IS IT REASONABLE TO ASSUME THAT, UH, WELL, WE HAVE 45 UNITS, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE TWO, ONE BEDROOM, 25.
25, UH, UNITS GONNA BE TWO BEDROOMS. OKAY.
25 TO LOOK, THIS IS, THIS IS A, THIS IS, THIS IS A STUDY THAT WAS DONE JUST RECENTLY MM-HMM.
AND THEY CAME UP WITH THAT IDEA THAT THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR PLACES.
AND, BUT THAT COULD CHANGE MAYBE WITHIN A YEAR OR NEXT YEAR.
THESE REVIEWS ALWAYS TAKE TIME.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF GIVE AND TAKE.
AND IT GOES TO THE PLANNING BOARD MM-HMM.
AND IT GOES THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS.
SO RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE MAIN THING IS THAT THE BOARD SEEMS IN CONCEPT TO LIKE THE, THE IDEA.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE ASKING GARRETT TO WORK WITH YOU TO DO THE NEXT STEPS, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK.
AND THEN YOU CAN PRESENT A MORE, UM, A MORE DETAILED, YOU KNOW, PROPOSAL.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE THE PLANNING PROCESS, REVIEW THE NUMBERS, UH, THE IMPACT TO NEIGHBORS, THE TRAFFIC AND ALL THAT.
AND THEN, AND YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE SOMETHING POSITIVE HAPPEN.
DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT JUST SOWS THE PROPERTY WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, ON A TAX MAP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THE EIGHT.
DRAWING A TWO LOOKS LIKE IT HAS THE PROPERTY LINE IN, UH, DOTTED HATCH, WHICH DRAWING A TWO.
WAIT, WE DON'T, THE, I JUST HAVE PRETTY, I DON'T HAVE THAT.
NO, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE COPIES.
ONLY THAT WE HAVE IS THAT, UH, ZA MIRANDA, NEW AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S THE PART OF THE PRESENTATION.
YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO REVIEW.
NOTHING HAVE TWIST IN ADVANCE.
THERE'S A RAMP THAT GOES DOWN INTO THE FIRST LEVEL OF PARKING.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO CALL 'EM THE STREET LEVEL IS ACTUALLY JUST A HALF LEVEL.
AND THEN WE GO DOWN ANOTHER FULL LEVEL, UH, FOR SUBTERRANEAN.
SO, UH, THE BUILDING IS UP IN THE AIR, I'LL SAY ABOUT SIX, SEVEN FEET, WHICH GIVES PRIVACY TO THE UNITS.
YOU DON'T WANT THE PEOPLE ON THE STREET LOOKING INTO YOUR UNIT.
SO IT'S UP, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE A BROWNSTONE WHERE YOU ELEVATE YOUR, THE MAIN LIVING FLOOR.
DID ANY OF THESE FLOOD IN ANY OF THE RECENT STORM? DID, DID, NO.
AGAIN, THESE ARE GOING BASED ON THE, ARE THESE FOR, TO KEEP.
SANDY CAME OFF TO THE MIDDLE OF NINE A NOT EVEN GET TO THE FIRST FLOOR IF YOU WANT.
KEEP RIGHT ON THE SIDEWALK, NOT GET THERE.
AND WE DID A, WE DID A SURVEY OF THE
I'M SORRY, IT GOT TO THE SIDEWALK, BUT IT DIDN'T, NO, IT DIDN'T GET TO THE, GOT TO THE CENTER LANE OF THE ROUTE.
WE ALSO GOT FLOODED, BUT WE DIDN'T PUT, WE GOT THE ZONE, UH, FLOOD ZONE MAP, UH, THAT WAS LOCATED.
WHEN WE GET YOUR DOCUMENT, WELL, ALL OF THIS WILL BE STUDIED BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE AN EXTENSIVE, UH, SECRET PROCESS.
AND IF, IF WE COULD GET ELECTRONIC COPIES OF THESE, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE GET YOU PDFS OF EVERYTHING.
EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE PRESENTED TODAY.
IF YOU COULD SEND US A P D F, THAT'D BE GREAT.
IF YOU COULD SEND IT TO ME, I'LL MAKE SURE EVERYONE GETS IT.
NEXT WE HAVE, UM, UH, MICHAEL OR, UH, THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER OF, UH, DEPARTMENT OF MENTAL HEALTH DISCUSSING THE COUNTY, UH, UH, CRISIS RESPONSE PROGRAM.
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HOW ARE YOU? HOW'S EVERYTHING? LET STARTED.WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US.
UH, WE'LL JUST DO INTRODUCTIONS.
I SERVE AS COMMISSIONER WESTCHESTER COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY MENTAL HEALTH.
MY PREVIOUS JOB WAS, UH, AT TED YOUNG COMMUNITY CENTER, SO VERY PRIVILEGED TO BE HERE IN PROUD COMMUNITY.
THAT WAS BACK IN THE EARLY NINETIES, ACTUALLY.
MARK, MARK JULIANO, WESTCHESTER COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY MENTAL HEALTH.
IF YOU COULD JUST BRING THE MICROPHONE CLOSER.
IF YOU'RE GONNA SIT BACK YEAH.
MARK JULIANO, WESTCHESTER COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY MENTAL HEALTH.
I'VE BEEN WITH THE DEPARTMENT FOR THE PAST 32 YEARS.
I'VE, UH, BEEN THE PRIMARY POLICE, MENTAL HEALTH TRAINER OVER THE PAST 30, UH, 22 YEARS THERE.
DO YOU HAVE POLICE OFFICER? I'M NOT.
I'M WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY MENTAL HEALTH AS WELL.
UM, PROGRAM COORDINATOR THERE.
BEEN THERE FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS, UM, WORKING UNDER MARK, AND ALSO WITH A LOT OF THE, UM, SERVING PEOPLE IN COMMUNITY THAT LIVE WITHIN MENTAL HEALTH AND CO-OCCURRING SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER.
MANY OTHER COMPLEX NEEDS AS WELL.
WE'VE ALL BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE.
I HEAR A LOT OF, I HEAR A LOT OF AGE.
IF I MAY, I'LL JUST GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT AND, AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PLAN.
UM, WE'RE A BRANCH OF COUNTY GOVERNMENT THAT HAS RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE MENTAL HEALTH, SUBSTANCE USE AND DEVELOPMENT INTELLECTUAL DISABILITY SYSTEM.
UH, WE DO THAT IN CLOSE PARTNERSHIP WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
WE WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR MUNICIPALITIES, UH, SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND OUR PROVIDERS AS WELL.
UM, RE RELATED TO THIS SPECIFIC INITIATIVE, WHEN THE COUNTY RELEASED ITS RE-IMAGINING POLICE REPORT BACK IN JANUARY, 2021, UM, THERE WERE SEVERAL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT, THAT WERE MADE.
AND ONE OF THE PRIORITY ERRORS IS REALLY LOOKING AT ADDRESSING THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH.
AND BY THAT I MEAN MENTAL HEALTH, SUBSTANCE USE CRISIS OF INDIVIDUALS IN OUR COMMUNITIES THAT OFTEN REQUIRE OR HAVE A POLICE RESPONSE.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE LOCAL PLANS, AND THAT WAS ALSO REINFORCED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, UM, THAT PEOPLE RECOGNIZED THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS RECOGNIZED THAT THERE WAS THIS NEED.
SO OUR COUNTY EXECUTIVE, UM, FORMED A COMMITTEE CALLED PROJECT ALLIANCE.
UH, WE LOOKED AT RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, WE LOOKED AT BEST PRACTICES AROUND THE COUNTRY.
WE LOOKED AT WHAT OUR STRENGTHS WERE AS A, AS ACCOUNTING AS COMMUNITIES.
AND WE CAME UP WITH, UH, THE PROGRAM, THE INITIATIVE CALLED PROJECT ALLIANCE.
AND THERE WERE FIVE MAJOR COMPONENTS TO THAT.
THAT'S WHY I THINK, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACK BACKGROUND, UM, ONE IS A OH, THANK YOU.
ONE IS A, UH, 9 1 1 DISPATCH, DIVERSION TRAINING AND RESOURCE.
UM, WE LOOKED AT A MODEL THAT WAS CREATED IN BRO COUNTY AND THE RECOGNITION THAT MANY OF OUR, UM, DESK, UH, OFFICERS AND DISPATCHERS, WHILE THEY'RE EXCELLENT PEOPLE AND VERY PROFESSIONAL, THEY DON'T HAVE THE TRAINING OR THE EXPERIENCE TO ADDRESS, UH, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CRISIS.
UH, SO WHAT WE CREATED WAS NOT ONLY A TRAINING USED IN AN EVIDENCE-BASED TOOL, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A CRISIS NETWORK TEAM NOW AT ST.
AND EACH POLICE DEPARTMENT, THANKS TO THE TRAINING THAT THESE GENTLEMEN HAVE DONE, HAS A DIRECT ACCESS TO THE CRISIS, UH, NETWORK 24 7 TO HELP TRIAGE CALLS TO, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE A POLICE RESPONSE, THEY WILL GET INVOLVED TELEPHONICALLY OR SEND OUT, UM, SUPPORT.
AND WE'RE USING AN EVIDENCE-BASED TOOL.
WE ALSO, UH, CREATED OUR CRISIS INTERVENTION TEAM TRAINING, C I T TEAM TRAINING.
MARK HAS BEEN DOING, AND CHRIS FOR MANY YEARS, WE'RE BUILDING ON THAT.
BUT ONE OF THE COMPONENTS THAT REALLY MARK CREATED WAS WE WANTED TO BE MORE COMMUNITY.
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT POLICE, UM, HELPING COMMUNITIES BE SAFE, IT'S ALSO OUR FAITH-BASED CLERGY, OUR COMMUNITY CENTERS.
SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO CREATE MORE OF A LOCAL EFFORT TO SUPPORT INDIVIDUALS IN CRISIS AND BUILD MORE OF A NETWORK OF SUPPORT.
SO WE'VE REALLY ADDED A LOT OF TRAINING.
WE'RE DOING COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND REALLY TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE OF A SHARED RESPONSE.
WE'VE ALSO, UH, LOOKING AT E M S TRAINING, UM, WE ALL KNOW THAT E M S ARE OFTEN FIRST AT THE SCENE.
AND WHILE AGAIN, THEY'RE PROFESSIONAL, THEY DON'T HAVE THE TRAINING TO REALLY RESPOND TO BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CRISIS.
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR, UH, COMMISSIONER WISHNEY AND, UM, E M S TO REALLY DEVELOP THAT TRAINING.
AND I THINK WHILE WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, REALLY, IS ABOUT THE MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAMS. UM, RATHER THAN CREATING A CENTRALIZED COUNTY FLEET OF FOLKS WHO'D RESPOND, OUR GOAL WAS REALLY TO HELP REFLECT THE STRENGTHS OF A LOCAL COMMUNITY, THE DIVERSITY OF THE COMMUNITY, AND REALLY BUILD ON WHAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE OR WHAT THE NEEDS ARE.
SO IN THE FALL, WE DID REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS TO CREATE EIGHT MOBILE CRISIS TEAMS THROUGHOUT WESTCHESTER COUNTY, OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT.
WE HAD PEOPLE WITH LIVED EXPERIENCE WHO WERE PART OF THE SELECTION COMMITTEE, AND WE SELECTED FIVE AGENCIES TO SERVE THE COUNTY AND ALL LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN THIS AREA.
WE, WE THOUGHT OF GREENBERG, UM, BEING A PRIMARY HUB AND REALLY, UM, HAVING THE PROGRAM LOCATED HERE, WORKING WITH SURROUNDING, UH, TOWNS AND CITIES.
UM, AND, UH, MENTAL HEALTH ASSOCIATION OF WESTCHESTER WAS AWARDED,
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UH, THE MOBILE CRISIS TEAM FOR, UH, GREENBERG.UM, AND IT'S A 24 7 RESPONSE THAT IS CO EMBEDDED, CO-LOCATED WITH LOCAL POLICE TO REALLY RESPOND TO, UM, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SITUATIONS, CRISIS THAT ARE DIRECTED, UH, TO THE POLICE.
SO THESE GENTLEMEN ARE PUTTING IT TOGETHER, IMPLEMENTING, WORKING CLOSELY WITH, UH, GREENBERG POLICE AND OTHER, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
SO REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO ASSESS, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE RIGHT LEVEL OF INTERVENTION FOR THE RIGHT PERSON AT THE RIGHT TIME, USING A RISK RESPONSIVITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT TOOL.
WE, WHEN, UH, AND YOU GUYS ARE REALLY NO, UH, NO STRANGERS TO THIS CONCEPT.
YOU, YOU'VE BEEN, UH, ADDING IN THE POLICE AND E M S RESPONSE FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS SERVING THE COMMUNITY IN A REALLY PHENOMENAL WAY.
THIS ADDS ANOTHER DISPATCH OPTION.
SO WHEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, HOW CRISIS UNFOLDS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, SOMETIMES IF IT TURNS OUT THAT YOU END UP WITH A FIRE, YOU'RE GONNA SEND OUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, LAW ENFORCEMENT MAY OR MAY NOT RESPOND, BUT USUALLY DO.
IF THERE'S A MEDICAL EMERGENCY, YOU DISPATCH YOUR E M S AND, UH, AND POLICE WHEN THERE IS, UH, A PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERN, WE'RE GONNA DISPATCH LAW ENFORCEMENT.
UP UNTIL NOW, WE'VE ALSO ASKED LAW ENFORCEMENT TO RESPOND TO MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS, SUBSTANCE USE, CRISIS CRISIS RELATED TO PEOPLE WITH INTELLECTUAL AND DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES, CRISIS RELATED TO DEMENTIA, AND PUT A LOT ON THEIR PLATE THAT REALLY, IN SOME RESPECTS HAS BEEN UNFAIRLY THERE.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF, UM, THERE IS A CRISIS THAT HAPPENS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, WE CAN GET A TEAM OF RESPONDERS THAT ARE GONNA BE OUT THERE IMMEDIATELY IN THE SAME WAY.
ANY OTHER FIRST RESPONDER WOULD BE THERE 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
IF I'M A CITIZEN IN GREENBURG, I CAN'T CALL THE MOBILE CRISIS TEAM AND SAY, CAN YOU COME OUT TO ME? BUT IF I AM IN A STATE OF CRISIS AND I CALL NINE ONE ONE, OR I CALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, OR THE POLICE WERE ON THE SCENE, OR E M SS WERE ON THE SCENE, THEY CAN DE, THEY CAN DEPLOY THE APPROPRIATE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH RESPONDERS TO COME OUT.
UH, WE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IS THAT WE, WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH ASSOCIATION EARLY ON.
THEY SAID, WELL, CAN WE STAY IN OUR OWN OFFICES? AND WE SAID, WE DON'T LIKE THAT IDEA.
IF YOU STAY IN YOUR OFFICES, YOU'LL CONTINUE TO DO YOUR BUSINESS THE WAY YOU'VE ALWAYS DONE THINGS.
AND THAT MAY BE GREAT FOR MANY PEOPLE THAT THEY SERVE WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE, THE MENTAL HEALTH COMMUNITY.
BUT THIS IS A DIFFERENT MODEL.
AND WE WANTED THEM TO RESPOND DIFFERENTLY THAN THE TRADITIONAL MENTAL HEALTH SERVICE SYSTEM ALWAYS HAS, WHICH IS USUALLY TWO OR THREE DAYS AFTER THE CRISIS IS OVER.
THAT'S WHEN MENTAL HEALTH, UH, ARRIVES.
WE WANT THE, THE MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM TO BE AVAILABLE IN THE MOMENT AND AVAILABLE WHEN THAT MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS RES UH, OCCURS.
SO YOUR RESPONSE AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON SHOULD BE NO DIFFERENT THAN YOUR RESPONSE AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
WE SHOULD HAVE THAT TEAM REACHING OUT TO PEOPLE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
SO, CAN YOU DO ME A FAVOR, JUST, JUST GO THROUGH A SCENARIO.
SO IF I CALL WITH AN ISSUE, AN AMEND CRISIS, HOW WOULD THIS WORK? SO THE FIRST STEP IS YOU'VE CALLED, YOU'RE IN A STATE OF CRISIS.
WE'RE GONNA USE A RISK ASSESSMENT TOOL, THE, UH, COMMUNICATIONS PERSONNEL OR THE DESK OFFICER, AND I'M SPEAKING LOUDLY, SO I CAN HIT THAT, SO SURE, THAT'S FINE.
SO, UM, THE, THE COMMUNICATIONS PERSONNEL, THE DESK OFFICER, BEGINS A CONVERSATION LISTENING TO YOU ABOUT WHAT THAT CRISIS IS SAYS TO YOU, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS REALLY OVERWHELMING AND IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, YOU, YOU, SOME OF THE THINGS YOU SAID TO ME HAVE MADE ME CONCERNED.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR YOU TO HAVE SOMEBODY TO SPEAK TO, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST OPTIONS ARE.
THAT'S A LOW LEVEL, LOW LEVEL CRISIS SITUATION.
WE GET THAT PERSON CONNECTED DIRECTLY TO A MEMBER OF THE CRISIS NETWORK TEAM OVER AT ST.
VINCENT'S HOSPITAL 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
AND OUR RES OUR RESULTS SO FAR IS THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE CALLS HAVE NOT COME BACK.
THE PERSON JUST SIMPLY NEEDED SOMEBODY TO SPEAK TO.
ON THE OTHER HAND, WE'VE GOT, UH, YOU, YOU SAID THAT AS WE WENT THROUGH THE RISK ASSESSMENT TOOL, YOU SAID, UM, THAT YOU WERE EXPERIENCING THOUGHTS OF SUICIDE OR YOU WERE THINKING OF KILLING SOMEONE ELSE.
AND WE WENT DOWN THE RISK ASSESSMENT TOOL AND WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE TIMEFRAME AND WE LOOKED, TOOK A LOOK AT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU HAD THE ACCESS TO MEANS AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
AT THE END, WE WEREN'T COMFORTABLE.
SO WE SAID, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, WE WANT TO GET AN EYES ON APPROACH AT THIS POINT.
IF I WERE TO CALL UP THE GREENBERG POLICE DEPARTMENT TODAY AND SAY, I'M HAVING A, I'M STRUGGLING, WE THOUGHTS OF SUICIDE, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS WE'RE GONNA DEPLOY THE POLICE.
WE'RE GONNA DEPLOY THE AMBULANCE.
YOU'RE GONNA EXTRICATE ME FROM MY HOME, DRAG ME OFF TO THE HOSPITAL WITH RISK OF INJURY TO THE CITIZEN WHO'S IN CRISIS, AS WELL AS RISK OF INJURY TO THE MS PERSONNEL AND THE, AND THE POLICE OFFICER.
IF WE CAN GET THAT PERSON DIVERTED TO A TELEPHONE COUNSELOR, OR MAYBE WE NEED TO GET EYES ON FROM A BEHAVIORAL HEALTH PERSPECTIVE, SOMEONE WHO CAN GO OUT AND DO THE DEESCALATION,
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CONNECT WITH THE PERSON, GET THEM CONNECTED TO THE APPROPRIATE RESOURCES, OR A CO SPONS WITH THE POLICE OFFICER.AND IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THERE IS TRULY A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE, IT, IT MAY BE THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT IS A FIRST ON THE SCENE AND THEY STABILIZE THE SCENE FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, AND THEN THEY STAGE AWAY JUST AS YOU WOULD STAGE AWAY OTHER RESOURCES, UH, THEIR MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCE.
SO, SO IF I CALL AND I, AND I'M AT THAT LEVEL OF CRISIS, WHO'S DEPLOYED THE POLICE OFFICER ALONG WITH THE MENTAL CRISIS, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A MEDIUM LEVEL RISK, PROBABLY THE, THE MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE, IF THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S FLUIDITY AND RISK IN ANY OF THESE CALLS AND THAT THINGS CAN ESCALATE OR DEESCALATE, AND THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO HAVE THEM WORKING.
IT INTEGRALLY, INTEGRALLY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT RELATIONSHIP SO THAT IF THEY NEED THE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES, LAW ENFORCEMENT'S THERE ON THE SCENE.
BUT IF IT'S A LOW LEVEL RESPONSE IN WHICH THERE'S NO PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERN, THE MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM SHOULD BE ABLE TO CONNECT WITH THAT PERSON OR CONNECT WITH YOU, CONNECT WITH YOUR FAMILY MEMBER, GET THEM CONNECTED TO THE APPROPRIATE SERVICES SO THAT WAY YOU DON'T GO BACK INTO CRISIS AGAIN.
IF IT TURNS OUT THAT YOU ARE THERE WITH A KNIFE IN YOUR HAND AND YOU ARE OPENING UP YOUR WRISTS.
AND IT'S, IT'S A, A SCARY SITUATION.
AND EVERYBODY, AND EVERYBODY WE SEND THE OKAY HEARD IS THAT POLICE DO A GREAT JOB AND THEY STABILIZE AND MAYBE THE PERSON GOES TO THE HOSPITAL OR GOES ELSEWHERE AND COMES BACK AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
SO THIS TEAM WOULD ALSO DO SOME FOLLOW UP AS WELL, UM, TO HELP THAT PERSON OR THAT INDIVIDUAL OR FAMILY CONNECT AND MAKING SURE THAT THEIR ONGOING SUPPORTS AS WELL.
IT'S NOT JUST A ONE AND DONE, BUT LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO TO SUPPORT THE INDIVIDUAL FOR A, YOU KNOW, A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME, COUPLE OF WEEKS, MONTHS UNTIL THEY'RE STABILIZED.
AND WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN THIS WORK IN SOME OTHER MODELS, UH, UH, THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.
SO I CURRENTLY OVERSEE OUR POLICE MENTAL HEALTH CO RESPONSE TEAMS, AND WE HAVE IT IN WHITE PLAINS, YONKERS, AND IN NEW ROCHELLE, WHERE WE HAVE A CLINICIAN EMBEDDED WITH THOSE POLICE DEPARTMENTS TO ENGAGE PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING A CRISIS IN THE COMMUNITY.
NOT EVERYBODY THAT, UM, IS IN CRISIS NEEDS TO HAVE JUST ONLY LAW ENFORCEMENT CONTACT AND TO BE TAKEN TO A HOSPITAL.
UM, WE, AS, AS MARK WAS SAYING, RISK CAN BE VERY DIFFERENT FOR, FOR INDIVIDUALS AND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, THEIR PLAN, THEIR INTENT, AND THE MEANING IN THE TIME OF THAT CRISIS.
SO THE, THE MODEL THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, UM, WHICH AGAIN IS NOT A 24 7 UH, OPERATION, BUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IS, AGAIN, BUILD A BETTER RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT PERSON IN THE COMMUNITY, FIND THE MOST APPROPRIATE RESOURCE AND LEVEL OF CARE BASED ON THAT PERSON'S NEED, RIGHT.
THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO REQUIRE OVER HOSPITALIZATION, OVER UTILIZATION OF EMERGENCY ROOMS. UM, AND IT BUILDS A BETTER RELATIONSHIP WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE TEAMS THAT ARE CORRESPONDING WHITE PLAINS, YONKERS, NEW ROCHELLE, AND EVEN HERE IN GREENBURG, WHERE WE HAD ONE OF US, OUR, OUR OUR, UM, STAFF THAT WAS EMBEDDED HERE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND, AND RESPONDING TO SOME CALLS IN CRISIS THAT HAD TO, THAT REDUCED THE, THE NEED FOR POLICE INTERVENTIONS.
UM, AND WERE ABLE TO DEESCALATE THE SITUATION.
THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WERE EXPERIENCING CRISES NOW SAW POLICE AS A RESOURCE AS OPPOSED TO SEEING THEM AS A DETERRENT, HEY, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE ARE COMING, I'M GONNA BE ARRESTED OR I'M GONNA BE TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL.
NOW IT'S SAYING, OKAY, OFFICER JOE.
YOU KNOW, UM, WHOEVER IT IS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HERE TO HELP ME.
SO IT CHANGES THE IMAGE AND THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION AS WELL AS IT RELATES TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT PRESENCE THAT WE BEGAN TO NOTICE OVER TIME.
UM, SO THE, THE TRAININGS THAT MARK AND I HAVE BEEN DOING WITH THE 9 1 1 DIVERSION, UM, TRAININGS NOW, I WOULD SAY OVER 450
IT'S NO MATTER WHAT THE SCENARIO IS, YOU DEPLOY LAW ENFORCEMENT,
THE ONLY OPTION THEY HAVE IS TO THEN TAKE SOMEBODY TO THE HOSPITAL.
IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK OUT THAT WAY.
JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S IN CRISIS IN THAT SETTING DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE HOSPITALIZED.
AND THEN THEY GET FRUSTRATED THAT THAT PERSON IS WALKING BACK DOWN THE STREET FIVE MINUTES LATER WHEN THE ASSUMPTION WAS THAT BASED ON THE CRISIS AND WHAT THAT PERSON PRESENTED AS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE HOSPITALIZED.
WHAT DO WE DO AT THIS POINT IF I WAS A POLICE OFFICER? RIGHT? UM, SO NOW HAVING BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SPECIALISTS ON SCENE AS A FIRST RESPONDER MODEL FOR A PERSON WHO'S EXPERIENCING A CRISIS, WE CAN THEN BEGIN TO NOW WORK WITH THAT PERSON, IDENTIFY WHAT THE NEEDS ARE WITHIN THAT MOMENT.
THAT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A HOSPITALIZATION.
IF IT DOES, OF COURSE WE WILL DO THAT FOR THAT PERSON'S SAFETY AND FOR THAT PERSON'S NEED.
BUT WE CAN TEND TO OVER TIME NOT NEED THAT HIGHER LEVEL OF INTERVENTION AND BE ABLE TO SUPPORT LAW ENFORCEMENT BEYOND, BEYOND THE HOURS WHEN THE TRADITIONAL MENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM IS IN OPERATION.
THE NINE TO FIVE, WHAT DO YOU DO AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK? YOU WAIT TILL THE NEXT MORNING FOR US TO COME ON.
WHAT HAPPENS ON FOUR O'CLOCK AT, UH, ON, ON A FRIDAY? UH, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO WAIT TILL MONDAY FOR US TO COME BACK IN CONTINUINGLY TO ASSESS AND ENGAGE THE PERSON WHO MAY BE
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CONTINUING TO EXPERIENCE A CRISIS BUT NOT NEED NOT, MAY NOT NEED THAT HIGHER LEVEL OF INTERVENTION AS A HOSPITALIZATION.WHAT DO YOU DO THEN? RIGHT? SO NOW YOU HAVE THESE TEAMS THAT CAN ENGAGE BUT ALSO CONTINUE TO FOLLOW UP AND COLLABORATE WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT.
UM, AS THAT PERSON IS, IS BEGINNING TO RECOVER FROM WHATEVER, HAVE YOU MODEL OR GRAFTED THE, THE DIFFERENTIAL IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING IN, IN
HAVE YOU GRAFTED IT LIKE A BEFORE AND AFTER KIND OF THING SO THAT YOU CAN SHOW THE ONCE UPON A TIME, AND THIS IS QUITE SOME TIME AGO, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND DO IT? WE HAD A GRANT THROUGH THE BALON CENTER FOR MENTAL HEALTH LAW, AND WE WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAD CONSTANT CONTACT AND MORE THAN FOUR CONTACTS WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT.
IF IT WAS A ONE AND DONE, WE GOT THE PERSON STABILIZED, CONNECTED WITH SERVICE.
WE WEREN'T CONCERNED ABOUT THAT PERSON.
BUT IF IT TURNED OUT THAT IT WAS SOMEBODY THAT WE HAD MULTIPLE CONTACTS WITH, WE WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WERE OTHER SUPPORTS AND SERVICES THAT WE COULD BUILD INTO PLACE.
AND WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT NOT ONLY WERE THE PEOPLE VERY FAMILIAR WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT THEY WERE ALSO REALLY FAMILIAR WITH THE SUBSTANCE USE SYSTEM.
THEY WERE ALSO REALLY FAMILIAR WITH US AND THE MENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM.
AND MANY TIMES THE COMMUNICATION IN THE TEAM THAT THE PERSON WAS DEPENDENT ON HAD KIND OF FALLEN TO THE WAYSIDE.
AND IT WAS ABOUT REENGAGING THAT PERSON WITH THEIR SUPPORTS AND SERVICES, WHETHER IT BE THEIR LOCAL PARISH, THEIR LOCAL CHURCH, WHETHER IT BE CONNECTING THEM BACK TO THEIR ASSERTIVE COMMUNITY TREATMENT TEAM, THEIR CLINICIAN, THEIR SUBSTANCE USE COUNSELOR.
SO THAT'S, WE, WE DID A BIT OF THAT WORK EARLY ON AND WE SAW THAT OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE, UM, INCREASED, BUT WE WEREN'T GOING OUT TO THE SAME PERSON.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO WHEN WE'VE DELIVERED TRAINING AT THE, UH, AT THE POLICE TRAINING ACADEMY.
TIME AND TIME AGAIN, WHAT WE'VE SAID IS, WE, WE CAN COME IN AND TEACH YOU HOW TO DEESCALATE PEOPLE, AND YOU'RE REALLY GOOD AT DEESCALATING PEOPLE, BUT IF WE ONLY TEACH YOU HOW TO DEESCALATE PEOPLE, YOU'LL GO OUT AND DEESCALATE TONIGHT AND TOMORROW NIGHT, AND THE SAME HOUSE AGAIN THE NEXT NIGHT, AND THE SAME HOUSE AGAIN THE NEXT NIGHT.
BUT IF WE BEGIN TO BUILD A TEAM WITH THE COMMUNITY AND BUILD A TEAM, IN THIS CASE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE, THE CAPACITY TO BRING ON THAT MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM.
WE CAN DIMINISH THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS TO GO OUT AND DO THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
AND IT ALSO FREES UP THAT, THAT REALLY CRITICAL SERVICE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, IT TAKES TIME FOR THE OFFICER AND THE AMBULANCE CREW TO GET THAT PERSON OVER TO THE LOCAL EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT AND GET THEM EVALUATED.
IT'S TAKING, UH, PATROL OFF THE STREET.
IT'S TAKING EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES OFF THE STREET.
IF WE CAN HAVE SOMEONE WHO CAN, UH, COME IN AT THE RIGHT TIME, THE RIGHT PLACE, MAKE THAT CONNECTION WITH THE PERSON, GET THEM CONNECTED WITH THE RIGHT RESOURCES, WE CAN FREE UP ALL OF THE REST OF THE RESOURCES FOR THEM TO DO THEIR JOB IN THE COMMUNITY.
I, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE GETTING THE RIGHT SERVICES TO THE PEOPLE WHO NEED IT.
UH, BUT I I, I, I'M STILL NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW THIS ACTUALLY WORKS PROCEDURALLY.
SO WHITE PLAINS IS PART OF THIS GROUP, RIGHT? SO IF SOMEBODY IS IN WHITE PLAINS IN DISTRESS, THEY CALL 9 1 1 THAT'S GONNA GO TO THE WHITE PLAINS.
OR ARE THE POLICE GOING OUT BECAUSE, SO LET'S, WE CAN GO WITH WHITE PLAINS, OR WE CAN GO WITH HASTINGS RIGHT ACROSS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S THE CATCHMENT AREA FROM HERE OVER TO THE RIVER, RIGHT? OR ACTUALLY FROM WHITE PLAINS OVER TO THE RIVER, THAT OFFICER IS ON THE DESK SAYS, I'VE GOT A CRISIS HERE IN THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS.
UH, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE BEST SERVED BY SOMEONE ON THE MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM.
THEY COORDINATE WITH YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO SEE IF THE M C R T IS AVAILABLE, IF AVAILABLE, THEY'RE DEPLOYED TO THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE.
IF NOT AVAILABLE, BECAUSE THEY'RE TIED UP WITHIN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
THEN THEY, THEY'RE GONNA SEND OUT THEIR C I T TRAINED OFFICERS, AND THEY'RE GONNA DO THEIR JOB THE NORMAL WAY THAT THEY, THAT THEY WOULD.
AND IN THE HOPES THAT AT SOME POINT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO EXPAND THIS, TO HAVE MORE TEAMS MOVING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE.
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT SUCCESS WITH, WITH THIS.
IT'S GONNA FREE UP PEOPLE, IT'S GONNA HELP KEEP PEOPLE, KEEP PEOPLE SAFE, IS THE BOTTOM LINE.
SO, ONCE AGAIN, HASTINGS, THEY END UP WITH A, UH, I GET A, A, UH, CALL FROM STEPHANIE MINOR.
SHE'S ONE OF THE POLICE OFFICERS OVER THERE.
STEPH SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THIS PERSON WHO'S REALLY IN A STATE OF CRISIS.
WE'RE TIED UP AT THIS POINT, STEPH, WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING WITH A, UH, A SITUATION OVER HERE IN GREENBURG, IF I WERE THE TEAM LEADER, RIGHT? UH, WE'RE, BUT LET'S CONTACT THE OPERATIONS DESK.
THAT WOULD BE US ON THAT, THE KIND OF HIGHER LEVEL.
LET'S SEE IF THE ASING TEAM IS AVAILABLE.
LET'S SEE IF THE WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO CREATE A SYSTEM OF MUTUAL AID, SO THAT WAY IF IT TURNS OUT THAT YOUR TEAM IS TIED UP, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A LOT GOING ON IN THE CITY OF WAY PLAINS, OR MAYBE HASTINGS GOT REALLY HOT ON ONE DAY, I DON'T KNOW,
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UM, THAT THERE'S ALWAYS A RESOURCE AVAILABLE.IF IT TURNS OUT THE RESOURCE ISN'T AVAILABLE, YOU'VE GOT C I T TRAINED OFFICERS.
YOU'VE GOT OFFICERS WHO KNOW HOW TO DEESCALATE PEOPLE.
YOU'VE GOT OFFICERS WITH A GOOD SKILLSET IN ORDER TO HELP CONNECT WITH PEOPLE.
AND THEN THAT TEAM SHOULD DO THE FOLLOW UP WITH THAT PERSON THE NEXT DAY.
WHICH TEAM? I'M SORRY? THE, THE SAME TEAM THAT WOULD BE THAT, THAT INITIALLY COLOCATED HERE.
SO IF IT TURNED OUT THAT, LET'S SAY GO WITH STEPHANIE ONCE AGAIN.
WE SAID, SORRY, NOTHING WE CAN DO.
SO THEY, THEY ENGAGE THE PERSON USING THEIR C I T RESOURCES WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE VILLAGE OF HASTINGS.
THEY GET THE PERSON STABILIZED.
STEPHANIE REACHES OUT OVER TO THE M H A TEAM AND SAYS, HEY, WE HAD, UM, MR. JONES, HE HAD A DIFFICULT TIME LAST NIGHT.
CAN YOU GUYS DO SOME FOLLOW UP ONCE AGAIN, LOOKING TO CREATE THAT NETWORK FOR THE PERSON SO THAT WAY MR. JONES DOESN'T GO INTO A CRISIS AGAIN TONIGHT AND TOMORROW NIGHT.
AND THEN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION.
SO HOW MANY, HOW MANY MAKE UP A TEAM? THERE SHOULD BE TWO ON PER SHIFT.
TWO PEOPLE ON PER SHIFT BETWEEN TWO TO THREE.
'CAUSE, UM, THEY MAY HAVE A, THEIR CLINICAL COORDINATOR, WHICH MAY BE A SOCIAL WORKER, A LICENSED CLINICAL SOCIAL WORKER, UM, A, A CASE ACT, MEANING A CREDENTIALED ALCOHOL AND A SUBSTANCE ABUSE COUNSELOR KNOWING THAT SOMEBODY MAY HAVE A MENTAL HEALTH CO-OCCURRING SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER.
AND A PEER, SO A PERSON WITH LIVED EXPERIENCE AS WELL, UM, THAT CAN HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY IN THE COMMUNITY BASED ON THE, THE SIMILAR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE MENTAL HEALTH SUBSTANCE USE GOING THROUGH THE SYSTEM, UM, THAT MAY NOT WANNA RESPOND TO SOMEBODY IN A POSITION OF AUTHORITY, YOU KNOW, AND CAN HAVE A DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
UM, I JUST WANNA ADD A LITTLE DIFFERENT SPIN TO THIS AS WELL.
I KNOW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? I, I KNOW YOU HAD A QUESTION.
DID YOU WANNA ASK IT? NO, GO AHEAD.
UM, THAT EXPERIENCING CRISES THAT, YOU KNOW, THE M C R T IS GONNA BE MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM COULD BE RESPONDING TO, BUT IN A LOT OF OUR CONVERSATIONS AND IN OUR TRAININGS AS WELL, WE HAVE TO ALSO REALIZE THAT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNERS ALSO GO THROUGH STRESS, UM, AND GO THROUGH A LOT OF STRESS.
SOME OF THE CUMULATIVE STRESS THAT THEY GO THROUGH.
THAT'S NOT A NORMAL JOB,
AND BEING THE BROTHER OF A COP
AND I'VE SEEN THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CULTURE THAT YOU DON'T, YOU, YOU JUST HAVE TO MAN UP AND DEAL WITH THE STRESS AND KEEP GOING TO WORK.
AND IN TALKING TO A LOT OF THESE OFFICERS, YOU KNOW, AND EVEN MOST RECENTLY, IT WAS LIKE, HOW DO WE ALSO TAKE CARE OF THESE OFFICERS THAT ARE ALSO ENGAGING IN THESE DOMESTICS, THESE WELFARE CHECKS, AND ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON, AND THEY HAVE TO JUST TAKE IT AND EAT IT AND DEAL WITH IT.
UM, MAYBE TALK, TALK TO EACH OTHER INTERNALLY ABOUT HOW TO, YOU KNOW, UM, COPE WITH THE STRESS OF THE JOB.
BUT NOW THEY HAVE A TEAM THAT THEY CAN ALSO TALK TO, TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THEM, UM, YOU KNOW, HELP THEM TO MANAGE CUP FRIENDLY LEARNING THE CULTURE, BEING EMBEDDED, LEARNING THE LANGUAGE, LEARNING WHAT'S GOING ON, UM, TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THEM.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HUMAN BEINGS AS WELL.
SO LIKE THE E A P, KIND OF LIKE INTERNALLY, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY THAT YOU CAN TURN TO, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF DE, YOU KNOW, JUST DISTRESS AND JUST, JUST LET IT GO AND TALK TO US AS CLINICAL SPECIALISTS ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH.
SO I, SO THERE'S, THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS.
IT'S THE TEAM COULD BE, NOT JUST FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT FOR OUR PARTNERS, AGAIN, THAT WE REALLY GET NEGLECTED WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THEIR MENTAL HEALTH AND THEIR MENTAL WELLNESS AS WELL.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE UNINTENDED POSITIVE CONSEQUENCES THAT WE SAW WHEN WE BEGAN TO EMBED CLINICIANS IN WHITE PLAINS AND IN YONKERS, THEY FOUND THAT THEY HAD SOMEBODY THAT THEY TRUSTED THAT THEY COULD TALK TO.
I THINK THIS IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, GREAT.
YOU KNOW, I, I REMEMBER LAST YEAR, YOUR COMMITTEE ON SYSTEMIC RACISM RECOMMENDED THIS AS PART OF, UH, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND I WAS GONNA INCLUDE IT IN THE TOWN BUDGET.
AND THEN I THINK ELLEN MENTIONED THAT THE COUNTY WAS DOING IT.
SO THIS SAVES THE TOWN ON, YOU KNOW, MONEY.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE IS DOING A GREAT THING BY PROVIDING THE SERVICE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, TO LOCAL, TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
UM, THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHICH WAS RAISED, YOU KNOW, BY SOME RESIDENTS IS, YOU KNOW, GREENBURG, IT'S GONNA BE IN GREENBURG, YOU KNOW, WHICH I BASICALLY HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO, BUT THE QUESTION IS, IF WHITE PLAINS RESIDENTS ARE BENEFITING FROM IT, AND THE TOWN IS, YOU KNOW, PUTTING ADDITIONAL RESOURCES, I MEAN, REALLY THE ONLY RESOURCES WE'RE REALLY DOING IS JUST MAKING AN OFFICE AVAILABLE TO YOU.
ISN'T THAT IT REALLY IS NOT A A, AN EXPENSE.
IT, IT'S NOT AS IF WE'RE EXPECTING POLICE OFFICERS FROM THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TO GO INTO WHITE PLAINS TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE.
WHITE PLAINS POLICE DEPARTMENTS DEALS WITH THEIR ISSUES.
WE'RE BRINGING THE TEAM TO THEM, RIGHT? SO, UH, WOULD YOU SAY WHAT PEOPLE SAY, OH, YOU KNOW, THEIR ADVANTAGES FOR GREENBURG, UM, TO HAVE IT SAY HERE RATHER THAN SAY, THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS.
UM, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, WE WERE UP IN THE VILLAGE OF AUSTIN, UH, EARLIER TODAY, TOWN OF AUSTIN, VILLAGE OF I
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VILLAGE.AND THE, UM, POLICE CHIEF UP THERE WAS, UM, PRETTY ADEPT AT REALIZING THAT IF THEY'RE HERE, THEY'RE YOUR RESOURCE
AND THAT THE PRIORITY ENDS UP BEING FOR THE CITIZENS OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, AS OPPOSED TO OTHER, THE OTHER COMMUNITIES.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROVIDING SUPPORT TO THE OTHER COMMUNITIES, BUT IF YOU ARE DEPLOYING AND DISPATCHING THE TEAMS TO, TO YOUR TEAM, WORKING WITH YOUR OFFICERS, SO ALMOST, UH, BY DEFAULT, THE CITIZENS OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG END UP GETTING THE BETTER, BETTER RESPONSE THAN SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS.
MY UNDERSTANDING, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THAT THE MOBILE MM-HMM.
AND JUST KIND OF TOUCHING BASE, TOUCHING BASE IN EVERYONE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.
SO THEY'LL BE MOBILE AND THEY'LL BE AGILE.
DOING THEIR PAPERWORK AND DOING THEIR FOLLOW UP.
NO CLIENTS WILL EVER BE SEEN IN A HOST SITE.
THEY'RE SEEING EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I THINK THIS IS AN AWESOME, WELL OVERDUE CONCEPT AND SERVICE.
I USED TO WORK FOR O M H AND, UH, IN THE HOSPITAL SYSTEM.
I WAS A HOSPITAL ADMINISTRATOR IN O M H, AND I WAS A HOSPITAL ADMINISTRATOR AT THE TIME WHEN THEY DECIDED TO CREATE RTAS RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT, UM, UH, ASSOCIATIONS OR, OR, YOU KNOW, FACILITIES, RTFS, RTFS, RTFS, RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT FACILITIES.
AND SO LITTLE WAS KNOWN AT THAT TIME, 15 YEARS AGO, 20 YEARS AGO, ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN AFTER FORMER HOSPITAL, UM, RESIDENTS WERE, WHO HAVE BEEN THERE FOR YEARS, AND WHO ARE USED TO A REGIMEN OF MEDICATION AND NOW ARE BEING PLACED INTO AN R T F AND TOLD, YOU HAVE TO TAKE THIS ON YOUR OWN.
SO WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH NOW IS ACCUMULATION OF THAT TYPE OF PATIENT ALONG WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE STILL IN AND OUT OF THE SYSTEM.
SO MY QUESTION IS, ARE YOU PRIVY TO, OR DO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO, UM, A, UH, A A LIST OF INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY HAVE BEEN IN HOSPITALS IN ROCKLAND PSYCH? MM-HMM.
UM, AND IN QUEENS WHO MAY HAVE BEEN RELEASED TO, TO THIS AREA, OUR OFFICE ACTS AS A SINGLE POINT OF ACCESS.
ASSERTIVE COMMUNITY TREATMENT.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALSO DO IS WE HAVE ON A, EVERY FRIDAY MORNING, WE HAVE A, OUR HIGH RISK COMMITTEE WHERE IF WE'VE GOT PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ARE REALLY STRUGGLING, WE NEED TO RALLY RESOURCES.
WE TRY TO PRIORITIZE WHO'S GONNA BE THE PERSON THAT GETS THOSE RESOURCES.
SO THIS IS REALLY NOT JUST ABOUT THE MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM.
THERE'S A TIERED APPROACH TO ACCESS.
I DO WANT TO ADD, APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WITH THE PANDEMIC, WE'RE SEEING PEOPLE WHO NEVER HAD A HISTORY OF MENTAL ILLNESS OR SUBSTANCE USE REALLY POPPING UP MM-HMM.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS OBVIOUSLY FOR PEOPLE WITH MORE INTENSIVE NEEDS, BUT WE'RE SEEING PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST STRUGGLING WITH A PANDEMIC, WHO ARE EXPERIENCING ANXIETY, SUBSTANCE USE.
AND THIS SHOULD BE THERE FOR THEM AS WELL AS A RESOURCE.
AND, AND PLUS, THEY WE'RE ALSO GONNA RELY ON THE, JUST THE COMMUNITY KNOWLEDGE OF OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNERS.
THEY KNOW PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY FREQUENTLY ENGAGE WITH.
THEY WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING THEM WHO THEY ARE, DO A LITTLE PREVENTATIVE WORK USING THE TEAMS TO ENGAGE WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS, CONNECT THEM WITH NATURAL RESOURCES SO THAT IT REDUCES THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT PERSON HAVING MORE FREQUENT CONTACT.
I KNOW I CAN SPEAK FOR PROBABLY FROM MARK, BUT I'M GONNA SPEAK FOR MYSELF.
WE ARE BOTH EDUCATORS AS WELL.
UM, I'VE BEEN AT IONA COLLEGE FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS TEACHING, UM, AND WHAT I CAN SAY IS THIS YEAR, UM, I'VE NEVER, EVER, EVER, IN MY PAST 15 YEARS, AND I TYPICALLY HAVE ABOUT 50 KIDS A SEMESTER, UM, HAD ROUGHLY AROUND 15 OR MORE STUDENTS WITH D S M DIAGNOSABLE DEPRESSION AND ANXIETY.
LIKE, I HAVE THE GRADE RIGHT NOW, I'M SCARED
SO I JUST WANNA ASK A QUESTION AND THEN WE GOTTA MOVE ON.
SO, JUST TO MAKE SURE, AT SOME POINT, I'M GONNA GET BACK TO MY QUESTION,
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KNOW, THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE LETTER OF INTENT IN TERMS OF LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY AND LIABILITY.DID ONE OF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT? AND I KNOW THAT MAY HAVE COME UP.
OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY DRAFTED A LETTER OF INTENT, UH, AND WE SENT IT OUT TO ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES POLICE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MET THEIR REQUIREMENTS.
WE DID SINCE GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK ABOUT SOME OF THE, THE LIABILITY, UM, SOME OF, UH, WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS, SO THAT RECENTLY WAS ADDED.
WE SENT IT OUT TO ALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS TO, FOR FURTHER REVIEW.
AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT WAS NEEDED.
YOU MEAN IT WAS ADDED OR REMOVED? I'M SORRY.
YOU, SO WE ADDED IN THE CONCERN ABOUT THE ADDRESSING THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE INDEMNIFICATION.
THAT WAS ADDED THE LIABILITY TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF IT TURNS OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME GROSS MISCONDUCT ON THE PART OF THE TEAM, IT'S NOT A LIABILITY TO THE, THE, TO THE TOWN AGREEMENT.
WELL, THEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS CLAUSE WOULD BE REMOVED, NOT ADDED.
SO, SO WHAT IS THE NEW WORDING? WHERE IS THE NEW ONE? WHAT IS THE NEW WORDING? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE, YEAH.
SO WE'D HAVE TO SEE THAT SUREAND, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I KNOW THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE GONNA WANT SPECIFIC ALSO, UH, HAVE YOU LOOKED AROUND TO SEE WHERE WE WERE, UH, THINKING OF HAVING YOU HOUSED? YES.
SO TO SPEAK, UH, BECAUSE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR EXHIBIT ONE, WHICH IS IN THE LETTER OF INTENT, AND THERE IS NO EXHIBIT ONE WE CHANGE.
WE NEED, WE NEED EXHIBIT ONE, AND IT'S EXHIBIT ONE FOR THE GREENBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND YOU'RE NOT AT THE GREENBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU'RE HERE.
SO WE NEED THAT TO BE, NOT THAT TO BE FIXED AS WELL.
THAT'S, I THINK THIS IS REALLY FANTASTIC WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
I'D REALLY LIKE TO FINISH BALL WITHOUT BEING INTERRUPTED.
I KNOW, BUT MY QUESTION'S BEEN OUT THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
THE SUCCESS OF THIS IS CLEARLY ON THE DISPATCHERS, RIGHT? THE DESK OFFICERS, POLICE SUPERVISOR, THE DESK OFFICERS, WHOEVER IS GETTING THAT CALL.
AND ALSO THE TEAM LEADERS, BECAUSE I'VE ALWAYS ASSERTED THAT YOUR MOBILE CRISIS OR YOUR CRISIS RESPONSE IS AS GOOD AS YOUR TEAM LEADER.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT THE RIGHT PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE RIGHT ATTITUDE, WHO ARE CULTURALLY SENSITIVE, LINGUISTICALLY SENSITIVE.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT PERSON FOR THE JOB.
UM, WHEN, AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AND MARK, THERE IS AN EVALUATION DATA COLLECTION COMPONENT THAT WE'LL SHARE WITH EVERYONE.
TRANSPARENCY IN TERMS OF NUMBER SERVED, EFFECTIVENESS, HOW MANY RESPONSE TIME OF THE DAY.
SO WE'LL MAKE SURE WE SHARE ALL THOSE REPORTS WITH YOU.
YOU ALERT FORWARD TO TRAINING.
I WOULD JUST REALLY LIKE TO FINISH.
SO, SO WHEN SOMEBODY, UH, IS SOMEBODY'S GONNA BE TRAINED, WHO'S GONNA DO THAT TRAINING? AND WHERE DID THE TRAINING COME FROM? WHO CAME UP WITH THAT? AND THE REASON I'M SAYING THIS IS THAT WHEN ALL WORKS WELL, IT WORKS WELL.
AND I THINK YOU'RE BEING VERY COURAGEOUS.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT POLICE BEING COURAGEOUS.
I THINK YOU'RE BEING VERY COURAGEOUS.
YOU ARE BEING THE ONE THAT'S KNOCKING ON THE DOOR AND FINDING OUT WHAT'S BEHIND THE DOOR.
UM, IT'S GONNA GO BACK TO WHY WASN'T OTHER PEOPLE CALLED.
YOU KNOW HOW THIS ALWAYS WORKS, RIGHT? YEP.
SO, AND THAT IS WHERE, WHAT IS THE TRAINING SAFE IN THE SYSTEM GOES INTO THAT.
THE FAILSAFE IN THE SYSTEM IS THAT IT'S NOT, ONCE WE'VE CHOSEN TO SEND THE, THE MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM, THAT'S THE ONLY RESOURCE WE HAVE.
WE SEND THE MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM, WE REALIZE THAT WE NEED ADDITIONAL RESOURCES.
THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE 9 1 1 DISPATCH PERSONNEL.
AND THEN WE GET THE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES OUT THERE ON THE SCENE.
RIGHT? OUR C I T TRAINING, UM, FOR POLICE OFFICERS, UH, THAT WAS ACTUALLY DEVELOPED IN MEMPHIS, TENNESSEE IN 1988.
UH, THAT IT HAS, UH, IT'S SEEN AS AN EVIDENCE-BASED PRACTICE AT THIS POINT.
UH, IT'S PROLIFERATED FROM TENNESSEE OUT TO OHIO, OUT TO NEW MEXICO, CALIFORNIA, NEW YORK STATE WAS ACTUALLY PRETTY, PRETTY FAR BEHIND IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF C I T TRAINING BECAUSE WE BASED A LOT OF OUR TRAINING ON THE WAY THINGS WERE DONE IN NEW YORK CITY, RIGHT.
WERE DIFFERENT THAN NEW YORK CITY.
AND NEW YORK CITY HAS EVEN FALLEN IN LINE AT THIS POINT IN THAT THEY'RE PARTICIPATING IN THE C I T TRAINING.
WE'RE TAKING THE SAME MODULES AND BRINGING THEM INTO THE CONVERSATION WITH E M S, THE SAME MODULES AND BRINGING 'EM INTO THE CONVERSATION WITH THE MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAMS. AND I, AND I TAKE WHAT YOU SAY VERY SERIOUSLY, BECAUSE WHEN, UH, I FIRST LEARNED HOW TO PROVIDE TRAINING AND DELIVER TRAINING TO LAW ENFORCEMENT UP AT THE NEW YORK STATE POLICE TRAINING ACADEMY MANY, MANY YEARS AGO IN, IN ALBANY, ONE OF THE TROOPERS SAID, WE'RE THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE'RE WALKING IN WITH A KEVLAR VEST.
WE'VE GOT A BATON, WE'VE GOT A A FIREARM, AND YOU GUYS ARE WALKING IN WITH A PEN AND A, AND A NOTEBOOK.
YOU GUYS HAVE TO BE CRAZY TO WALK INTO THOSE KINDS OF SITUATIONS.
THE FACT IS, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS WORK FOR 30
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PLUS YEARS, AND I'VE NEVER ENCOUNTERED, I CAN THINK OF TWO OCCASIONS IN WHICH I FELT ACTUALLY THREATENED.IT'S ABOUT GETTING OUR, THERE IS O M H SAFETY TRAINING THAT'S PUT INTO PLACE.
WE'RE COMBINING IT WITH THE, THE C I T TRAINING.
WE'VE EVEN TALKED TO THE POLICE ACADEMY ABOUT DOING SOME LIGHT DEFENSIVE TACTICS.
WE DON'T EXPECT PEOPLE, OUR CRISIS NETWORK TEAM, OUR MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM, TO TACKLE PEOPLE.
BUT IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE ATTACKED, WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO GET HOME SAFE AT THE END OF THE DAY.
SO IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY A CONSIDERATION.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, TALKED ABOUT DELIVERING THREE DAYS OF INTENSIVE TRAINING FOR THE TEAMS AT THE POLICE ACADEMY, IMMERSING THEM WITH SOME OF THE POLICE TRAINERS, BUT ALSO THEN GOING OUT TO THE MUNICIPALITIES TO DEVELOP THAT TRAINING, UH, TOGETHER WITH, NOT DEVELOP THE TRAINING, BUT TO TRAIN WITH THE PD SO THAT WAY THERE'S A COHESION BUILT WITHIN THE TEAM SO THAT THEY CAN TRUST EACH OTHER.
BECAUSE LET'S BE HONEST, IN THE BEGINNING, THERE'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT OF MISTRUST BETWEEN THE ENTITIES.
THIS IS, THIS IS NEW AND MA MAKING CHANGES DIFFICULT.
OH, SO I WANNA ADD A LITTLE TO YOUR TRAINING QUESTION.
SO, O M H, WITH THE, WITH THE C I T TRAININGS, IT'S, UM, UH, ONLY ASK FOR 21 HOURS.
WE DO A FULL 40 HOURS FOR, FOR POLICE RECRUITS AND EXPERIENCE OFFICERS.
WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE GONNA BE BRINGING THAT SIMILAR TRAINING, UH, A LIGHTER VERSION TO, UM, AND CHANGING IT UP A LITTLE BIT MORE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SPECIAL, UH, SPECIALTY TO THE TEAMS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, MOST OF THE HOST PSYCH POLICE DEPARTMENTS ARE REQUIRING THAT THE TEAMS GO THROUGH THEIR OWN TRAININGS WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, DEFENSE AND, AND LEARNING THE CULTURE, LIKE BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY HIT THE STREET.
SO THERE'S TWO LEVELS OF TRAINING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED FOR SAFETY PURPOSES AND ENGAGING PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
WELL, TO BE COMMENDED FOR THE, THE WORK THAT YOU DO.
AND IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S LONG OVERDUE THAT IT'S GETTING TO THIS, TO THIS LEVEL.
UH, OBVIOUSLY WE JUST PROCEDURALLY HAVE TO MAKE IT ALL WORK OUT, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE LETTER OF INTENT.
'CAUSE IT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR TOMORROW NIGHT.
UM, SO WE WOULD NEED WHATEVER THE REVISED WORDING IS, AND HOPEFULLY IT'S NOT PUTTING THE TOWN IN LI YOU KNOW, LIABILITY FOR, FOR ACTIONS THAT WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR.
BUT ALSO, IF WE COULD JUST CLARIFY WHAT EXHIBIT A EXHIBIT ONE IS, IF IT'S THAT OFFICE, THAT'S GREAT.
IF YOU NEED SOMETHING ELSE, LET'S, LET'S ACTUALLY WORK IT IN SO THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDINGS LATER.
THE, THE BEST THING ABOUT LETTERS OF INTENT AND CONTRACTS AND AGREEMENTS IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDING LATER BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT THERE.
AND RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE AS ATTACHED IN EXHIBIT ONE, AND IT'S, I'VE NEVER SEEN IT SINCE WE GOT THIS, WE ARE GONNA SHOW YOU EXHIBIT EIGHT GATE HAS BEEN FIXED.
AND AGAIN, WE TOOK THE FEEDBACK BASED ON WHAT WE GOT FROM THE MUNICIPALITY.
BUT AGAIN, IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT POPS UP THAT YOU'RE NOT
WELL, IT'S OBVIOUSLY GONNA BE A TEAM EFFORT BY EVERYBODY, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING ALSO, AM AM I CORRECT THAT YOU ARE TRAINING THE DISPATCHERS? YES.
THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING OVER THE 450 OF THEM.
I'D JUST LIKE TO FIRST THANK ELLEN FOR ARRANGING THIS MEETING.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS WAS REALLY, UH, REALLY GREAT.
AND I ALSO, WOULD YOU ACCEPT THE QUESTION FROM THE PUBLIC? UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IF, IF YOU WANT TO, LET ME JUST FINISH THIS.
AND I JUST WANT TO ALSO, UH, COMMEND ALL OF YOU BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DEFINITELY VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE JOB.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I I FEEL LIKE VERY, UH, PLEASED THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY HAS PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO ARE, WHO OBVIOUSLY ARE VERY DEDICATED AND PASSIONATE ABOUT YOUR WORK.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE THE TYPE OF PUBLIC SERVANTS THAT WE NEED MORE OF BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S REALLY NICE, YOU KNOW, YOU DEAL WITH A LOT OF GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES AND, UM, IT'S ALWAYS GREAT WHEN SOMEBODY REALLY LOVES THEIR JOB.
AND IT SHOWS THAT ALL OF YOU REALLY ARE COMMITTED TO, UH, IT'S NOT ONLY A JOB, BUT YOU REALLY WANT TO HELP PEOPLE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST REALLY AM VERY IMPRESSED.
I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION.
SO FROM TIME TO TIME, I GET CALLS FROM PEOPLE WHO SEE SOMEONE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO THEY IS DISPLAYING SIGNS OF SOME SORT OF MENTAL DISTRESS.
SO THE INQUIRY IS NOT COMING FROM THAT PERSON, BUT SOMEONE ELSE MM-HMM.
IS THERE, IS THERE A METHOD OF DEALING WITH THAT AND REACHING OUT TO THAT PERSON, KIND OF UNSOLICITED? AND HOW DO YOU DO THAT? YES.
SO IF IT TURNS OUT THAT A THIRD PARTY CALLER CAN YOU, CAN YOU JUST COME TALK TO ME? THIRD PARTY CALLER SAYS, I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS GENTLE, THIS GENTLEMAN.
HE'S WALKING DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.
HE'S ON THE, ON THE, ON THE, THE DOUBLE YELLOW LINE.
AND WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT HIS SAFETY.
THAT CALL COMES INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE SEND OUT THE MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM TO ATTEMPT TO ENGAGE HIM USING THAT PEER APPROACH HAS WORKED REALLY WELL OVER THE PAST SEVEN YEARS,
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OR 5, 6, 7 YEARS THAT WE'VE HAD THE CRISIS STABILIZATION TEAM ALL, IT'S A, UH, A FULL PEER APPROACH AND JUST ENGAGING PEOPLE AT THAT LEVEL, STARTING WHERE THEY'RE AT, AND, UH, AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET CONNECTED TO THE RIGHT SERVICES.LET ME ASK A A ANOTHER SORT OF A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UM, SOME PEOPLE OCCASIONALLY WHO ARE LIKE HANGING OUT IN FRONT OF, SAY, SUPERMARKETS AND THEY'RE HOMELESS AND POLICE REALLY, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY OF SAYING, YOU HAVE TO LEAVE.
I JUST GOT A CALL FROM SOMEBODY, UM, A FEW DAYS AGO.
UM, IS, WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT BE, I'M NOT SAYING, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE HOMELESS AND THEY WANT TO BE IN THEIR CAR, UM, THE WHOLE TIME, WOULD THAT BE AN, WOULD THIS BE AN INAPPROPRIATE CALL? IT WOULD BE AN ATTEMPT TO ENGAGE THE PERSON.
WOULD THE TEAM BE THE LONG-TERM SOLUTION FOR THAT PERSON? PROBABLY NOT.
WHAT WE WOULD DO IS GO OUT, ATTEMPT TO ENGAGE THE PERSON, AND THEN MAKE THE CONNECTION TO THE HOMELESS OUTREACH SERVICES.
CHRIS AND I WERE ACTUALLY ON A CALL WITH, UH, OUR HOMELESS OUTREACH NETWORK EARLIER TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THOSE KINDS OF HAND HANDOFFS AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, THE HOMELESS OUTREACH EFFORTS ARE AS ASSERTIVE AS WE, AS WE WANT THEM TO BE AS WELL.
AND WHAT I'M GONNA SHOW YOU IS LITERALLY, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THIS IS THE SAME SCENARIO THIS MORNING, AND I SAID THAT.
SO WHAT WE'RE ALSO DOING IS WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT NOT JUST THE TEAMS AND POLICE HAVE DISPERSED RESPONDER MODEL THAT EITHER THE ENTIRE SYSTEM HAS IT AS WELL.
'CAUSE NOW EVERYBODY HAS TO CAPTURE THE, THE NEEDS OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO BEFORE WE HAD TO JUMBLE OFF THE LINE TO GO TO
AND I HAVE A A, I'M VERY MUCH AN INSIDER WITH THEM AND HAVE DEVELOPED A LOT OF TOOLS TO HELP THEM ENGAGE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY THAT ARE HOMELESS.
SO I'M GOING DIRECTLY TO THEM FOR SOME SPECIFIC ASKS TO HELP WITH THE AFTER HOURS AND OTHER SUPPORTS AS WELL.
WHAT ABOUT, UM, SAY SOMEBODY WHO'S FACING FORECLOSURE, YOU KNOW, WOULD THAT BE, WOULD THAT BE ALSO, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, BECAUSE I'M, I GET LIKE ALL THESE CALLS AND EMAILS, UH, FROM PEOPLE, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE, I THINK IT'S MORE THE ENGAGEMENT.
YOU MAY, YOU MAY OBJECT TO THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO THE TOWN, BECAUSE I ALREADY THINK OF ALL THESE CASES THAT I CAN WELL, THESE ARE RIGHT SCENARIOS THAT, THAT, THAT MIGHT COME UP.
SO IF THE TEAM DOES GET INVOLVED THROUGH THE RIGHT CHANNELS, IT'S ENGAGING, ASSESSING WHAT THE NEED IS AND CONNECTING TO THE RESOURCES AND GETTING THAT PERSON.
SO THEN YOU MIGHT SEND THEM TO FAMILY SERVICES.
IT COULD BE ANY ONE OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES OR WHATEVER.
MR. FIVE, CAN I HAVE A QUESTION OR NOT? WHAT'S THE BOARD'S? UH, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
YEAH, I, IF IT'S ONE QUESTION.
I'M NOT POSED TO THE IDEA OF IT.
I THINK IT PERFORMS GREAT SERVICE AND NECESSARY SERVICE AND ALL THAT.
BUT I HAVE A QUESTION AS TO, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION AS TO, YOU HAVE A ME A MY CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM 24 HOURS A DAY.
SO I PRESUME IT'S THREE EIGHT HOUR SHIFTS.
WHEN ANY SHIFT IS NOT OUT ON A CALL OR DOING SOMETHING, WHAT ARE THEY, WHERE ARE THEY PROACTIVE FOLLOW UP TO? LET ME GO OVER HERE.
PROACTIVE, FOLLOW UP TO PEOPLE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
WHERE ARE THEY THEN? THEY'RE NOT SITTING IN AN OFFICE SOMEPLACE WAITING FOR THE NEXT CALL, RIGHT? SO WE WOULDN'T LET HIM ASK ALL THE QUESTIONS.
SO I ASSUME THEY'RE NOT SITTING AROUND TWO OR THREE MEMBERS OF A TEAM WAITING FOR THE NEXT CALL OR GOING OUT TO SERVICE AN EXISTING CLIENTS, SO TO SPEAK.
THE MENTAL HEALTH ASSOCIATION HAS OFFICES ALL OVER WESTCHESTER AND PROBABLY LIKE TOWN HALL.
THE BUILDINGS THAT THEY'RE IN ARE NOT OPEN 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
SO WHY DO YOU HAVE TO BE IN TOWN HALL? BECAUSE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HERE IS TOO CROWDED AS IT IS.
WHY CAN'T THIS BE HANDLED FROM ONE OF YOUR LOCAL MENTAL HEALTH ASSOCIATION OFFICERS? I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WERE HERE IN THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION, BUT ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAID EARLY ON WAS THAT WE DIDN'T WANT THE, UM, THE CLINICAL PROVIDERS TO SIT IN THEIR OWN OFFICES BECAUSE WE'LL END UP WITH THE SAME RESULT, WHICH IS A RESPONSE TWO TO THREE DAYS AFTER THE FACT.
WE WANT TO INCORPORATE THIS IN THE SAME WAY.
YOU WOULD HAVE A FIRST RESPONDER MODEL FOR FIRE FOR E M S, FOR POLICE.
IF THERE'S A BEHAVIORAL HEALTH EMERGENCY, THERE SHOULD BE A BEHAVIORAL HEALTH RESPONSE.
THE TRADITIONAL MODEL OF SERVICE, EXCUSE ME.
I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT AND IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE AWKWARD, BUT YOU NEED TO RESPOND TO HIM TALKING INTO THE MICROPHONE.
SO THE TRADITIONAL BEHAVIORAL HEALTH RESPONSE HAS BEEN AFTER THE FACT, AND WE WANTED TO BREAK THEM FROM THE MOLD
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OF SETTING UP AN APPOINTMENT TWO, THREE DAYS AFTER THE CRISIS HAS OCCURRED.WE WANT THE THE TEAM TO BE AVAILABLE JUST AS ANY OTHER FIRST RESPONDER.
SO IT'S CHANGING THE CULTURE OF THE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM.
THAT WAS THE REASON THAT WE WANTED THEM CO-LOCATED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND FOR, I GUESS, SPACE REASONS.
WE ARE, WE'RE LOOKING AT TOWN HALL AS OPPOSED TO, UH, AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD BE AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND DISPATCH FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
BUT A MENTAL HEALTH ASSOCIATION IS NOT A GOVERNMENT AGENCY.
SO WHY IS IT POLITICALLY INVOLVED? THEY'RE TO INDICATE, MAKE THEM INEFFICIENT.
WELL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE TRAINED BEHAVIORAL HEALTH EXPERTS.
THEY'RE THE BE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE.
SO THEY'RE LICENSED SOCIAL WORKERS.
THE POLICE ARE, THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T DO THAT.
UNDERSTAND, THAT'S THE WHY WOULD THEY BOW TO POLITICS? IT'S NOT POLITICS.
THEY, THEY WON AN, THEY WON A REQUEST FOR A PROPOSAL FOR A SERVICE THAT WAS, UM, UM, PUT OUT.
THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES AND THE ABILITY WE'RE WORKING WITH AN EXISTING CONTRACT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I DID MENTION THAT THE, HOW'S THE, UH, LIBRARY, THE GREENBERG LIBRARY APPARENTLY MET WITH A REPRESENTATIVE, AND THEY ACTUALLY PASSED A RESOLUTION, UM, ALLOWING THE TEAM TO COME OUT TWICE A A MONTH TO THE GREENBERG.
SO THIS, SO THIS IS ANOTHER RESOURCE THAT M H A CAN USE FOR, NOT IN GREENBERG, FOR ALL OF WESTCHESTER.
SO THEY HAVE THEIR 30 FOOT, THEIR, THEIR, THEIR TRUCK, UM, THAT CAN BE STAGED, UM, IN PLACES TO ENGAGE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, DO INTAKES, MAKE CONNECTIONS TO PEOPLE.
THEY CAN DO SOME HIPAA COMPLIANT ASSESSMENTS OF, OF, OF INDIVIDUALS.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN USE AND THE TEAMS CAN USE.
IF WE IDENTIFY AN AREA IN GREENBURG OR ANY PART OF THE CATCHMENT AREA WHERE WE SEE THERE'S MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE STRUGGLING TO GET CONNECTED TO SERVICES, WE CAN THEN USE THIS VAN TO BE STAGED THERE.
AND THE TEAM CAN BRING THOSE PEOPLE THERE.
UH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO GET SOMEBODY TO A BRICK AND MORTAR, UM, YOU KNOW, A CLINICAL ASSESSMENT OR ANYWHERE ELSE.
NOW THIS IS NOW THEY CAN BRING THEM THERE.
SO IT JUST HELPS TO TIE IN SOME OF THOSE NUTS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE GAPS THAT MAY EXIST.
YOU PROVIDE THAT DOCUMENTATION BEFORE TOMORROW'S MEETING? YES.
SENT, SENT IT TO CAPTAIN LL YOU'LL MAKE ER VERY HAPPY.
WE HAVE DON'T, HERE WE ALSO OH, AND WE HAVE THE, WE ALSO HAVE THE DAN
THOSE, AND MIKE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING AS WELL? OR HE'S SITTING FOR YOU.
SO DAN, IS HE ON? HE COMING IN.
WE JUST NEED TO SWITCH OUT, RIGHT? WE JUST NEED TO SWITCH OUT THE, UM, OH, WE GOTTA TAKE WHAT'S ON THE BLUE? BLUE.
THAT HAS TO BE DONE FROM INSIDE.
OH, DAN, CAN YOU HEAR US? YES.
I GUESS JUST TO, UH, BE READY TO SUPPORT AGAIN, THE DIALOGUE AROUND THE, UM, GREENBERG PARTICIPATION IN THE, THE LATEST ITERATION OF THE, UH, PARTICIPATION, M O U FOR WESTCHESTER POWER.
AND, UH, WE HAD A, A SESSION NOT TOO LONG AGO.
UM, WE GOT SOME, UH, UH, DOCUMENTS AND RESOURCES THAT WE REVIEWED, AND I'M READY TO, UM, UH, LOOK AT ANY ASPECT OF THAT THAT YOU MAY STILL WANT TO, UH, TALK ABOUT IN TERMS OF FILLING IN ANY GAPS.
UH, JUST AS A MATTER OF SERVE UPDATE, WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE, WITH THE REST OF THE TOWNS.
WE HAVE ABOUT, OUT OF THE 24 IN CONED, UH, IN THIS VERY TIGHT
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SCHEDULE.WE'VE GOT 17 OF THE MOUS IN HAND.
THE OTHERS ARE ALL SCHEDULED, UH, FOR, UM, FOR THEIR AGENDAS EXCEPT FOR ONE THAT I KNOW OF.
SO WE'RE HOPING TO, TO FINISH THIS OFF AND BE READY.
MEANWHILE, WE'VE BEEN SORT OF WATCHING THE MARKET EVERY DAY AND, UH, READY TO JUMP ON ON IT IF, UH, IF THE, THE PRICE COMES BACK DOWN WITHIN, UH, THE RANGE THAT WE'VE SET OUT OF 13.90 CENTS.
AND, UH, WE HAD A LITTLE, UH, EXCITING, YOU KNOW, MOVEMENT OVER YESTERDAY AND THE FIRST PART OF THIS MORNING WHERE YESTERDAY, UH, PRICES FOR NATURAL GAS, WHICH YOU'LL RECALL, IS REALLY THE DRIVER FOR, FOR THE ELECTRICITY PRICING CAME DOWN BY 12% YESTERDAY.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE LIKE, WHOA, WE, WE COULD, WE COULD BE THERE PRETTY SOON.
TODAY, STARTED OFF GOING DOWN 5%, AND THEN IT WENT, ENDED UP UP 3%.
SO WE'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, IN, IN NO MAN'S LAND, A LITTLE BIT WAITING FOR THAT PRICE.
BUT WE DO WANT TO BE READY TO STRIKE.
AND WE, AT THIS POINT, YOU'VE GOT ABOUT FOUR DAYS BEFORE, UM, WHAT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS WE'LL HAVE A, A DISCONTINUITY IN THE CONTRACT, AT LEAST THIS IS WHAT WE'VE CALCULATED THIS WITH CONSTELLATION, WHERE WE GO BEYOND THAT IN TERMS OF THE, THE AWARD.
UH, WE'LL PROBABLY SEE PEOPLE DROP OUT INTO CONED AND, AND THEN, UH, FOR ONE MONTH AND THEN COME BACK IN.
SO WE HOPE TO AVOID THAT IF POSSIBLE.
MEANWHILE, CONED RATES ARE, CONTINUE TO MIGRATE UPWARDS AND, UH, AS THE FIRST HALF OF THIS MONTH, THERE HAVE ROUGHLY ABOUT 12 AND A HALF CENTS.
UM, SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN A STEADY PROCESS, UH, FOR, FOR ED RATES AS WELL.
UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF JUST THE BACKDROP OF WHERE WE ARE AT THE MOMENT.
AGAIN, THE EXERCISES TO, UH, SIDE, WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE PARTICIPATING IN THE, UM, IN THE SHORT TERM EXTENSION, M O U THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, HAVE, HAVE YOU THOUGHT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, LONG TERM OFFERING, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS, THE ABILITY OF, UH, OPTING OUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING LIKE A ONE YEAR OR TWO YEAR PARTICIPATION BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS SO, UH, FLUID RIGHT NOW THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE MAY WANT TO GIVE IT A CHANCE NOW, BUT IF IT'S A TWO YEAR COMMITMENT, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE NOT TO THEIR ADVANTAGE.
OH, WELL, REMEMBER, ANYONE CANNOT OPT OUT AT ANY TIME NOW.
UM, SO AS YOU KNOW, AS EARLY AS, UM, WHEN RECEIVING WHAT THEY WOULD RECEIVE THE, UH, THE NOTIFICATION LETTER, UH, FOR THIS NEW CONTRACT, SUPPOSING WE, WE, WE, UH, MAKE ALL OUR SCHEDULE MILESTONES HERE, AND WE'RE LAUNCHING A NEW CONTRACT, UH, JULY 1ST, WE'RE MAILING OUT A, A LETTER TO FOLKS THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE 30 DAYS BEFORE THAT JULY 1ST, UH, DATE.
AND TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON'T WANT IN, UH, TO THIS NEXT CONTRACT.
AND THEY WOULDN'T BE ENROLLED IN THAT.
AND THEN OF COURSE, AS WE KNOW ANYTIME THEREAFTER, UH, IF THEY'RE WATCHING, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON AND THE CLIENT RATES OR, OR THEY HAVE OTHER, OTHER, UH, UH, IDEAS OF WHERE THEY SHOULD BE, THEY CAN OPT OUT AT ANY TIME.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S BUILT INTO THE PROGRAM, BUT NOT AT CHOICE AT THE BEGINNING.
LIKE, PEOPLE WOULDN'T HAVE THE OPTION AT THE BEGINNING OF SAYING, OH, I WANT TO TRY IT FOR ONE YEAR.
UM, LIKE A ONE YEAR PARTICIPANT AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, WELL, WELL, IT'S A COUPLE THINGS.
FIRST OF ALL, REMEMBER WE'RE, UH, WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO WAS TO, UH, SHOOT FOR A SHORTER EXTENSION FIRST BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THERE WAS SO MUCH, UH, UNCERTAINTY BUILT INTO PROJECTIONS.
RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'RE GOING OUT FOR A ONE YEAR OR A TWO YEAR CONTRACT, THAT WE HOPE TO PUSH OUT A LITTLE BIT AND THEN, UH, DO OUR FULL, FULL BID AND AN AUCTION FOR THE LONGER TERMS. REMEMBER? AND WHEN WE, WE DO THOSE AUCTIONS, WE, WE RUN 'EM FROM MULTIPLE TERMS TO SEE WHAT THE BEST, UH, RATES ARE THAT ARE COMING IN TO BE ABLE TO SELECT FROM.
UH, BUT AGAIN, AT ANY ANY POINT AS FAR AS THE RESIDENTS ARE CONCERNED, THEY HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL TO OPT OUT ANY TIME.
SO IF WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, THE SHORT TERM CONTRACT, AND THEY, THEY WANT TO, THEY WANT TO OPT OUT OR CHANGE SUPPLY, UH, THEY CAN DO THAT
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ANY TIME.AND THEN WITH THE SUBSEQUENT, UH, LONGER TERM CONTRACT THAT WE HOPE TO, UH, TO ACHIEVE THROUGH THE AUCTION PROCESS, THEY'LL HAVE THE SAME OPTIONS.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY WANNA STAY IN A YEAR, TWO YEARS, OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
THEY, THEY HAVE ALL THAT FLEXIBILITY.
SO WHAT'S THE BOARD'S PLEASURE? UH, THE PROBLEM IS THAT NO RESOLUTION WAS SUBMITTED FOR THE AGENDA.
UM, THAT I CAN'T SPEAK TO, BUT WE COULD REALLY, UH, PULL TOGETHER A A, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S PLENTY OF, UH, MODELS OUT THERE FROM THE MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE ALREADY PASSED IT.
UM, IT WOULD BASICALLY JUST BE ULTIMATELY JUST BOIL DOWN TO AN AUTHORIZATION, UH, FOR THE SUPERVISOR, UH, TO SIGN THE, THE M O U.
UM, WE COULD ALWAYS, IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS THAT, UM, THE BOARD BASICALLY SUPPORTS US, WE COULD ALWAYS, UH, SAY THERE'S A CONSENSUS AND THEN HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING NEXT WEEK.
AND THIS WAY AT LEAST YOU KNOW, THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF EVERYBODY'S SUPPORTING IT, THEN IT DOESN'T REALLY, UM, THEN THERE'S NO, THEN THERE'S NO ISSUES IF IT'S NOT VOTED ON TOMORROW.
AND I, I'LL SAY THAT IN THE PAST THAT WE HAVE DONE THAT AND SUCCESSFULLY, UM, UH, CONVINCED THE SUPPLIER SAY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, HERE YOU CAN LOOK AT THE BOARD SESSION.
THEY'VE EXPRESSED THAT THEY'RE GONNA, UH, EXECUTE THIS AND THEN GO ON WITH THAT.
THE SUPPLIERS, BECAUSE OF THE VOLATILITY OF THE MARKET ARE BEING, UH, MUCH MORE RIGOROUS THESE DAYS.
SO THEY DO WANNA SEE THE, THE ACTUAL M O U IN HAND.
IF THEY DON'T HAVE IT, THE LIKELIHOOD IS THEY WON'T HEDGE FOR, UH, THE LOAD FOR A, FOR A MUNICIPALITY THAT THAT HASN'T SIGNED YET, WHICH MEANS, RIGHT.
THE OTHER OPTION IS IF, YOU KNOW, IF, UM, YOU KNOW, FRANCIS WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A RELU, YOU KNOW, RESOLUTION BEING PUT ON AGENDA, UM, YOU KNOW, IN A TIMELY MANNER, EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD COULD CO-SPONSOR RESOLUTION AND SIGN IN INTO IT SAYING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE VOTING ON IT NEXT WEEK.
AND THEN YOU COULD SHOW EVERYBODY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SUPPLIERS THAT THIS RESOLUTION IS BEING SPONSORED BY EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD, IT'S THE SAME THING.
IT'S BASICALLY THE SAME THING.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON IT, BUT IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE THE CO-SPONSORS OF A PROPOSED BILL THEN, AND THERE'S FIVE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND FIVE PEOPLE ARE SIGNING THEIR NAME TO IT, THEN OBVIOUSLY, UM, IT'S GONNA PASS.
AND I CAN ONLY SAY THAT THIS WOULD, THIS WOULD BE, UM, SOMETHING UNIQUE THAT I HAVEN'T YET SEEN, AND WE COULD, WE COULD PRESENT THAT TO THEM.
AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, NOTE TO THEM THAT THIS IS JUST A PROCESS THING AND WE'RE FINE.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR WHERE THEY'LL ULTIMATELY LAND ON THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID, THE THE HAVING MOST OF THE RESOLUTIONS, THEY MIGHT HAVE SOME, WHEREAS IS THAT SORT OF LAYOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, SOME OF THE BACKGROUND, BUT ULTIMATELY THE, THE, UH, THE THEREFORES IS JUST, UH, JUST A MATTER OF AUTHORIZING THE, THE SUPERVISOR TO SIGN THE M O U, WHICH, WHICH, SO YOU'RE STILL WAITING FOR SOME MOUS.
UM, WHEN DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO BE VOTED ON? UM, SOME OF THEM ARE TONIGHT AND SOME MAY HAVE BEEN LAST NIGHT.
AND WE DON'T YET HAVE THE, THE FEEDBACK.
UM, BUT, BUT THEY WOULD BE IN THE SAME SITUATION IF WE DON'T HAVE THEM IN HAND.
AND, AND OF COURSE NOW THIS COULD ALL BE MOVED IF THE PRICE DOESN'T MOVE WITHIN THESE PAST FEW DAYS AND WITHIN THE NEXT FEW DAYS.
UH, YOU, YOU MIGHT HAVE THAT LEEWAY FOR THE NEXT SESSION.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA OVER, UH, STATE THIS IS WHERE WE ARE.
WE THINK IT IS SAFER TO HAVE IT IN HAND BECAUSE IF THAT PRICE, YOU KNOW, IN THE NOISE OF THE, OF THE MARKET, WE WE'RE ABLE TO CAPTURE IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO ON BEHALF OF THE MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE ALREADY, UM, SIGNED ON, WE HAVE TO, UH, TAKE THAT AWARD THEN WE'RE KIND OF, IT IS A, A QUESTION OF WHEN, WHEN THE, YOU KNOW, REBI OR ANY OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE REMAINING, UH, ARE READY SIGN, DID THE MARKET YOU MOVE OUT OF SIGHT, SO, SO THAT THE
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CURRENT TARGET, AGAIN, IS NOT AVAILABLE.THAT, AND THIS IS ALL, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF ANY OF OUR CONTROL IN THAT SENSE.
SO WHAT SHOULD WE DO? DO YOU LIKE MORE IDEA? I'M SAYING YOUR IDEA IS FINE, BUT WE UH, THAT'S FINE.
I MEAN, IF THAT'S GONNA WORK, I MEAN, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY IONS TO THIS PROCEDURALLY? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IF IT WORKS PROCEDURALLY THAT'S WHAT I JUST WANNA MAKE, WE CAN GO WITH IT OR WE CAN HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING AND HAVE AN ACTUAL RESOLUTION.
THE RESOLUTION WOULD BE INTRODUCED BY EVERYBODY.
IT HAS TO BE A FEW DAYS BEFORE.
BUT THERE'S NO RULE SAYING WE CAN'T SPONSOR SOMETHING.
WE COULD EVEN PUT IT ON THE RESOLUTION COULD EVEN BE PUT ON, UM, TOMORROW'S AGENDA AND, AND WE COULD SAY RESOLUTION SPONSORED, UH, UH, SPECIAL MEETING NEXT TUESDAY AND YOU COULD SHOW US ON THE AGENDA.
THAT'S BE 24 HOURS PRIOR I THOUGHT.
NO, WE COULD, WE COULD, YOU COULD JUST SEE THAT PRIOR TO US HAVING A MEETING.
WAIT, WE DON'T, WE DON'T PUT ANYTHING ON TOMORROW NIGHTS.
UM, BUT IS EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT? YES.
SO COULD WE HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING FRIDAY THEN? UM, WHAT TIME, JUST SO WE'RE NOT IN THIS LIMBO THING HERE.
HARD DO WE APPEND IT? WHAT? EVEN THOUGH I REALLY DETEST SPECIAL MEETINGS.
YEAH, BUT WHAT TIME, WHAT TIME ARE WE LOOKING AT IT
WELL, WHY DON'T WE SEE IF WE CAN WORK THAT OUT AND IF NOT, IT'LL HAVE TO BE TUESDAY.
AND THEN WE'LL GET BACK TO HIM.
WE JUST NEED TO WORK SOME LOGISTICS OUT, DAN.
SO WHAT WE DO IS WE GET BACK TO YOU, UM, BY TOMORROW.
BUT I DO THINK WE SHOULD PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA STATING THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT.
SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COMMENT ABOUT IT, THEY CAN COMMENT ON THAT.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING.
RIGHT? IT'S WOULDN'T BE A A, A VOTE TOMORROW.
JUST BE, UH, LIKE A NOTIFICATION THAT THE BOARD PLANS TO HAVE A, BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY'LL SAY WE HID THIS AT A SPECIAL MEETING, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
WOULD, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO FORWARD YOU A COUPLE OF THE EXAMPLES OF THE RESOLUTIONS THAT, UM, THAT OTHER TOWNS HAVE PASSED? YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
MIKE IS IN FOR, FOR THE CHIEF.
OH, THAT'S DIFFERENT FOR CHIEF.
AND THEN, UH, SMOKE SHOPS ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
TIM AND TIM SHOULD BE HERE ALSO FOR THIS.
TERRANCE, CAN YOU GET, CAN YOU GET 10 PLEASE? IS IT SMOKE SHOPS OR VAPE SHOPS? HEY GUYS.
HOW ARE YOU? IS IT SMOKE SHOPS OR VAPE? I THINK THEY'RE BEING USED INTERCHANGEABLY.
UM, OKAY, SO BASICALLY I'VE GOTTEN LIKE A LOT OF, UM, EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS FROM RESIDENTS.
BOB, YOU'RE PART OF BOB, YOU'RE PART OF THIS AS WELL FROM STANDING SURPRISE.
UH, RIGHT ON, UH, AT THE BOTTOM OF UM, UM, MOUNT JOY AND CENTRAL AVENUE.
UM, AND A LOT OF RESIDENTS ARE CONCERNED BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT NEAR, UH, THE C A SCHOOL WHERE WE BASICALLY, WHICH WE JUST MADE ONE WAY.
AND, UH, THEY THINK THAT IT'S TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE TO HAVE A SMOKE SHOP RIGHT NEAR, YOU KNOW, SOME SCHOOLS AND SOME, UH, RESIDENTS, UM, UM, SENT ME A COPY OF THE STATE STATUTE MM-HMM.
AND, UM, THEY FEEL THAT THE SIGNAGE, YOU KNOW, IS INAPPROPRIATE AND THEY ALSO, SOME PEOPLE FEEL THAT THE USE IS INAPPROPRIATE.
AND I THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE, SINCE I'M GETTING SO MANY, YOU KNOW, CALLS, UM, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO HAVE A, A PUBLIC DISCUSSION SO EVERYBODY WILL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR RIGHTS.
SO IS THE, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
I WAS GONNA SAY, IS THE LOCATION WHERE THIS SMOKE SHOP AT QUESTION IS LOCATED WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE LAW? OR IS IT AGAINST THE LAW? ALRIGHT.
IT'S NOT AGAINST THE LAW, I CAN SAY THAT.
SO I JUST WANNA MENTION THIS IS NOT A TOWN AUTHORIZED CANNABIS MARIJUANA SHOCK.
AND THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT I HAVE THAT THEY'RE SELLING MARIJUANA OR CAR CANNABIS.
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THAT OUT THERE.THERE WOULD BE ZONING FOR THAT.
IT WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE IN THAT AREA.
UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT PURSUANT TO THE SALE OF CANNABIS AND MARIJUANA.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PARAPHERNALIA.
THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO MENTION.
AND WE'RE NOT ALLOWING THOSE TYPES OF, OF, UH, SHOPS REGARDLESS.
WE'RE NOT ALLOWING THOSE, SO PEOPLE SHOULD, SHOULD KNOW THAT.
UM, THE SECOND THING I WANT TO MENTION IS WE REALLY AT THIS MOMENT, OTHER THAN THE LEGISLATION THAT YOU MENTIONED, WHICH REGULATES, UM, TOBACCO, RIGHT? WHICH IS SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
UM, BUT THERE IS A LAW THAT WE ARE GONNA ADDRESS AND IT BASICALLY SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE CERTAIN SIGNAGE IN THE WINDOWS OF STORES OR ON, YOU KNOW, ON DISPLAY AS IT PERTAINS TO TOBACCO.
SO WE'RE GONNA EXPLORE THAT STATUTE THAT WAS SENT TO, SO BASICALLY IF IT SAYS IT'S A SMOKE SHOP, THAT WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF ADVERTISEMENT.
WELL, AGAIN, IT TALKS ABOUT TOBACCO, SO WE HAVE TO EXPLORE THAT.
THE THIRD THING I WANNA MENTION IS I'M GONNA REACH OUT TO THEM AND HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH THEM, THE OWNERS.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ISSUES ARE.
WE'VE HAD SIMILAR ISSUES WITH LIQUOR STORES IN THE TERMS OF THE ITEMS THAT THEY DISPLAY AND ADVERTISING AND, YOU KNOW, SEXUAL CONTENT.
AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO WORK THOSE THINGS OUT.
SO WE DEFINITELY RECOGNIZE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ISSUE IS AND WE'RE WORKING TO TRY TO ADDRESS THAT.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S THE FIRST AMENDMENT ISSUES WITH RESPECT TO, UM, CONTENT THAT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW, DEALING WITH IN TERMS OF REGULATING THE CONTENT OF CERTAIN SIGNS, FOR EXAMPLE, ON HARTSDALE AVENUE AND PLACES LIKE THAT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ADDRESSING IT OR TRYING TO ADDRESS IT.
SO I WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, CAPTAIN, UH, DALESSIO HAS SOME OTHER THINGS HE WANTS TO MENTION.
AND ALSO COULD YOU MENTION, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE FEEL THAT EVEN THOUGH THEY CAN SELL CANNABIS THAT I KNOW ON EAST DALE AVENUE YEAH.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I THINK THEY TRIED, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO AND THE POLICE MADE SOME ARRESTS.
SO COULD YOU TELL US WHAT TYPE OF LIKE MONITORING YOU DO TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S LEGAL? I MEAN, ROUTINELY WE WOULD GO AND SEND OUT A UNDERAGE AGENT, GAS STATIONS, ANY PLACE THEY REALLY SMELL SELL TOBACCO, UH, MERCHANDISE AND VAPES AND TO SEE IF THEY COMPLY WITH THE LAW.
SOMETIMES THEY DO AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T.
AND WHEN THEY DON'T, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, UM, CITE 'EM FOR THAT.
UM, UNLAWFULLY DEALING WITH A, A MINOR FOR ANYBODY UNDER AGE 21, PURCHASING TOBACCO.
UM, SO WE, WE'VE ROUTINELY GO OUT.
WE TRY NOT TO, YOU KNOW, HIT SAME ESTABLISHES TOO MANY TIMES.
'CAUSE MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, IT'S AN EMPLOYEE AND NOT THE PROPRIETOR THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE SUMMONS.
UH, MOST OF THE TIMES, YOU KNOW, THE CASES ARE SEALED AND, YOU KNOW, DISMISSED IN THE COURT, UM, THEREAFTER.
UM, SO, BUT WE TRY TO EDUCATE 'EM, LET 'EM KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE DANGERS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, OF, OF SELLING THE PRODUCTS TO MINORS.
BUT WE HAVE THAT IF SOMEBODY VIOLATES THE LAW NOW WITH THE, YOU KNOW, NEW LEGISLATION, UH, YOU KNOW, ALBANY APPROVED RELATING TO UNIT CANNABIS, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, PENALTY.
LET'S SAY THEY SELL ILLEGAL, YOU KNOW, SELL, SELL IT, AND THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, AND YOU ISSUE A SUMMONS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S THE PUNISHMENT? SO RIGHT NOW IT'S LEGAL TO POSSESS THE MARIJUANA, BUT IT'S STILL NOT LEGAL TO SELL IT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY'S AN ANTICIPATING, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO GET THESE LICENSES THROUGH THE STATE TO, TO, UH, SELL AND DISPENSE OF, UH, THE MARIJUANA, THE RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA, NOT THE, UH, THE MEDICINAL MARIJUANA.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE OFFICE OF, UH, CANNABIS MANAGEMENT IS STILL, I DON'T EVEN THINK THEY HAVE PHONE LINES REALLY SET UP RIGHT NOW.
SO THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO CONTACT THEM.
THE DA'S OFFICES ARE A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, UM, IN LIMBO REGARDING THE PROSECUTION OF THESE CASES.
UH, I THINK SOME OF THE PROBLEMS ARE GONNA BE, HE'S ACTUALLY TESTING, UM, YOU KNOW, NO LAB IN NEW YORK IS GONNA DO IT.
YOU'D HAVE TO SEND IT OUT, UH, TO HAVE IT TESTED FOR CONTENT AND, AND, AND, UH, UM, TO SEE WHAT IS ACTUALLY IN IT THAT GETS QUITE EXPENSIVE.
SO IT IS KIND OF UNSETTLED AT THIS POINT.
DO YOU FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR SOME OF THE BUSINESSES IT MAY ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, UH, BE BETTER MAKE FINANCIALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT JUST TAKE A CHANCE AND, YOU KNOW, THEY GET A $50 FINE OR WHATEVER IT IS, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL NOT CLOSING THEM DOWN.
AND I MEAN, COULD YOU, COULD YOU SEE THAT WELL, COULD YOU SEE THAT HAPPENING AS A PUNISHMENT GONNA BE JUST SORT OF LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF A SLOP AND IN, IN EFFECT, WE'RE REACHING OUT WITH DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH BECAUSE THEY WORK ON A, A, UM, A POINT SYSTEM REGARDING THE SALE OF TOBACCO PRODUCTS.
SO DEPENDING ON HOW MANY TIMES YOU'RE GOING TO GET A VIOLATION, YOU CAN MAKE A REFERRAL, UM, AND THEY GET APPOINTED AND, AND AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF POINTS, THEY CAN SUSPEND YOUR LICENSE FOR SELLING TOBACCO PRODUCTS.
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ON THE TOBACCO ANSWER.SO, SO ON THE, ON THE CANNABIS, AND IF THE TOWN WERE TO ALLOW A DISPENSARY, IT, LET'S SAY IT'S BY SPECIAL PERMIT OF THE TOWN BOARD, OBVIOUSLY IF SOMEONE'S VIOLATING THE CONDITIONS OF, YOU KNOW, YOUR SPECIAL PERMIT, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SHUT THEM DOWN.
YOU KNOW, SO YOU HAVE PROCEDURES IN PLACE FOR THAT TYPE OF SITUATION.
I THINK 'CAUSE THAT'S ALLOWED BY THE TOWN BOARD BY SPECIALTY PERMIT.
AND I WAS JUST GONNA ASK GARY, BUT, BUT NOT THERE, BUT NOT THERE
DO YOU KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY SIGNAGE? UM, I KNOW WE WERE WORKING ON A LOCAL LAW.
ARE THERE SIGNAGE RESTRICTIONS THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, OR, OR NOT? I'VE SEEN SOME.
CAN YOU PLEASE COME TO THE STATION? YEAH, SURE.
NOTHING THAT I'M AWARE OF IS LOCALLY CODIFIED.
UH, I'VE SEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT NEW YORK STATE LAW, WHICH I, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FUNCTION OF THE BUILDING CODE THAT TALKS ABOUT PROXIMITY TO SCHOOL MM-HMM.
AND, UH, SO I, I REACHED OUT, UM, I SENT, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE EMAILS TODAY AND WE'RE, WE'RE RESEARCHING THAT TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT CAN BE DISPLAYED, UH, IN PROXIMITY TO A SCHOOL.
BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S ON THE STATE LEVEL.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TO ADDRESS THE SITUATION, PAUL, RIGHT NOW WE'RE USING THE STATUTE THAT A RESIDENT PROVIDED TO SEE IF WE CAN ADDRESS THE SITUATION THAT WAY IN TERMS OF DISTANCE.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING AT THE MOMENT.
NOW EARLIER YOU SAID THAT THAT DIDN'T APPLY.
WAS THAT BECAUSE OF THE, IT'S MORE THAN 1500 FEET OR BECAUSE IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THIS PARTICULAR ESTABLISHMENT? WE, WE DIDN'T MEASURE THE, THE DISTANCE YET, OR AT LEAST I HAVEN'T.
BUT AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY'RE SELLING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE ADVERTISING AND THAT LAW PERTAINS TO TOBACCO.
SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY'RE NOT SELLING TOBACCO.
MAYBE SOMETHING RELATED TO USE OF TOBACCO.
I DID A ROUGH MEASUREMENT OUT THERE.
AND I COME UP AROUND, UH, 1200 FEET.
SO THEY'RE DEFINITELY WITHIN THE, UH OH, OKAY.
AND ISN'T NEW YORK STATE, UM, LOOKING AT SOME LAWS REGARDING VAPING, CRAFTING SOME LAWS REGARDING VAPING? I THINK SO, YEAH.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING TO, TO TUNE INTO AND SEE.
ARE THOSE PICTURES OF THE PLACE? WELL, I GOT PICTURES OF, OF THE SIGN PERMIT THAT THEY HAVE FOR THE, UH, AND I, I MADE COPIES FOR EVERYBODY.
AND AGAIN, PAUL, I JUST WANNA MENTION, I, I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE, THE EMAILS AS WELL.
AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO A THOROUGH JOB IN TERMS OF INVESTIGATING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE LAW BEFORE WE TAKE ANY SPECIFIC ACTION.
IN TERMS OF VIOLATION NOTICES OR SUMMONSES OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT WE ARE AGAIN, RIGHT, RIGHT.
I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS HAVE HAD SOME CONCERNS AND THEY JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT WE'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS.
I THINK IT'S KEY BECAUSE THE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY, UM, AND I THINK THE REASON NEW YORK STATE LOOKING AT VAPING LAWS IS BECAUSE IT'S A HIGHER CONCENTRATION IN NICOTINE MORE, BUT THIS IS THE SIGN THAT THEY HAVE HERE.
I KNOW IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE.
SO IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S GONNA BE CONVENIENCE STORE, BUT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A SMOKE SECTION.
AND I WANNA REACH OUT TO THEM AND, AND TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT'S WHERE THAT IS.
AND THEN NEXT, AND THEN NEXT TO THE, THE LIQUORS AND WINE STORE, THE LIQUOR, THEY HAVE ALL OF THAT STUFF.
AND THAT STORE IS NOW THIS STORE.
I THOUGHT THEY WERE ALL THE SAME.
AND WE HAD ISSUES WITH THAT PARTICULAR STORE BECAUSE THEY WERE DISPLAYING CERTAIN THINGS IN THE WINDOW THAT PEOPLE FELT WERE PROVOCATIVE.
SO WE DISCUSSED THAT WITH THE OWNER AT THAT TIME.
BUT THIS IS A DIFFERENT STORE NOW.
NEW OWNER SELLING A DIFFERENT PRODUCT.
SO WHEN YOU SAID THERE'S A SMOKE AIR, THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY SMOKING IN THE BUILDING.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY, YOU PURCHASE IT AND YOU LEAVE.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE, UH, PURCHASED.
AND HERE AGAIN, IT WOULDN'T BE A LOUNGE.
IT LOOKS TO BE LIKE, IT'S GONNA BE A CONVENIENCE STORE.
AND I THINK WHY THEY DID THAT IS BECAUSE YOU HAD USED TO HAVE ACROSS THE STREET THERE, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT, THAT ALWAYS DID PRETTY WELL.
I DON'T WANNA THINK OF, SO I FIGURED THEY'RE GOING, THE CONVENIENCE THING WILL PROBABLY BE, YOU KNOW, MILK, UH, DAIRY MARKED.
YOU KNOW, A BEER OR STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND MAYBE THEY MAY HAVE A SMOKE SECTION.
SO, BUT THIS, WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, IT'S AWAY FROM THE WINDOWS.
THERE'S NO ADVERTISING IN IT, YOU KNOW, TO, TO THE, UH, THE LETTER OF THE LAW.
WHAT DO YOU WANT? NO, I WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE IF IT CAN BE PICKED UP ON THE CAMERA.
OH, THE, UM, WELL, CLEARLY IT'S A CONVENIENCE STORE.
I, I CAN'T MAKE IT ANY CLEARER.
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I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THE SIGN THEY HAVE HERE.THAT WOULD BE ANY VIOLATION SIGN.
IT SAYS CONVENIENCE, REALLY BIG LETTERS.
THEY PUT, THERE'S LIKE A, BECAUSE I WAS THERE YESTERDAY, THERE WAS SORT OF LIKE A SIGN THAT SAID SMOKE, UH, IN THE WINDOW OR, YEAH.
IT WAS SORT OF LIKE, UH, YEAH, IT WAS RIGHT ON THE, I THINK THE, BECAUSE ON THIS THING HERE, THE, I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE BLURRY.
NO, THAT WAS, IT'S CALLED CLOUD HOUSE CONVENIENCE.
THEY HAD SOMETHING YESTERDAY WAS, I THINK IT WAS RIGHT OVER, MAYBE IT WAS LIKE, LIKE A BAT.
IT LOOKED LIKE, ALMOST LIKE A CLOTH BANNER OR SOMETHING, I THINK.
AND THEY SAID, UH, SMOKE SHOP TOO.
AND THEY HAD YOU SAW THAT? YEAH, I SAW THAT.
I WASN'T THERE TODAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, I SAW IT YESTERDAY.
SO THEY TOOK THAT DOWN THE SMOKE SHOP.
IF THEY HAD A THING THEY SAID COMING SOON.
SO THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE, UH, COMING DOWN.
ARE THEY SELLING TOBACCO? UH, I DON'T KNOW.
IT, THAT'S WHAT I WANNA REACH OUT TO THEM.
WHAT IS THAT CLOUD? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YEAH.
SO THAT'S, I WANNA REACH OUT TO THEM AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE, BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE A CONVENIENCE SORT OF ALMOST THE SAME THING AS THE SEVEN 11.
THAT THEM SEVEN 11 SELLS CIGARETTES.
SO IF THEY WOULD MAKE IT MORE OF A CONVENIENCE AND, YOU KNOW, HIGHLIGHT THAT, THEN IT'S MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS.
AND MAYBE THEY COULD DE-EMPHASIZE THE SMOKING.
WHAT, WHAT I THINK THEY MAY BE ON, THEY MAY BE SMELLING, UH, SELLING CIGARETTES, MAYBE SOME CIGARS.
'CAUSE THAT USUALLY SEEMS LIKE THAT'S, UH, CIGARS ARE POPULAR.
'CAUSE I GUESS IT'S A, A, A BIGGER, UH, PROFIT MARGIN ON THAT.
DEPENDING ON THE ONES THEY SELL.
PROBABLY SOME VAPING, LIKE I SAID.
SO THERE MAY BE A SMALL SECTION IN THAT STORE THAT'LL BE PERTAINING TO THAT, BUT THE REST WOULD BE MORE LIKE CONVENIENCE STUFF.
SO WE'RE GONNA GATHER MORE INFORMATION.
I WANNA REACH OUT TO THEM AND THEN TALK TO 'EM EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE PUTTING IN HERE.
AND THERE ARE ANY NUMBER OF NEW YORK STATE LAWS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE THAT COULD BE IMPACTFUL AS WELL AS SOME THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED.
AND THEN WE'LL START ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS IF THEY'RE IN VIOLATION OF, IF THEY'RE IN VIOLATION.
NO, I, I THINK THIS IS HELPFUL BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEN I COULD SHARE THIS WITH, UM, EITHER WITH THE RESIDENTS AND I THINK THEY'LL BE REASSURED.
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE AGENDA, GARRETT, OR? NO.
THERE WASN'T A CD RESOLUTION ONE.
TARA, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR OPEN SESSION OR NO, WHAT IS THIS? ONLY IF THEY NEEDED ANY, UM, FURTHER CLARIFICATION ON I BELIEVE SO.
PIECES THAT ARE ON AND FOR REVIEW PAYMENTS THAT HAVE TO GO OUT.
SO WHAT ARE WE, SO WHERE ARE WE AT NOW? AGENDA, AGENDA, AGENDA REVIEW.
OH, I'LL PAUSE YOU ON SOMETHING ELSE.
I KNOW WE DIDN'T FINISH OUR CONVERSATION.
I JUST, SO UNDER PUBLIC HEARINGS, SHOULD IT SAY THAT THERE WILL BE A SECOND FIVE MINUTE ROUND UNLESS THE HEARING IS GOING TO BE ADJOURNED TO A SUBSEQUENT HEARING DATE? WOW.
BECAUSE IT'S REALLY UNCLEAR WHAT THAT MEANS.
THERE WILL BE A SECOND, THERE WILL BE A SECOND FIVE MINUTE ROUND.
UNLESS THE HEARING IS GOING TO BE ADJOURNED TO A SUBSEQUENT HEARING DATE.
I THINK THAT'S VAGUE AND COULD BE CLEAR.
DON'T YOU? THERE IS GONNA BE A SECOND.
WELL, I MEAN, DO WE, DO WE REALLY ANTICIPATE CLOSING THE HEARING AFTER ONE MEETING? AND THE ONLY REASON I MENTION THAT IS, UM, I ANTICIPATE THERE'LL BE A LOT OF SPEAKERS AND IF EACH SPEAKER SPOKE A SECOND TIME, THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAPPEN.
IT COULD BE A VERY LONG MEETING.
AND IF WE ARE MAKING CHANGES BASED ON WHAT WE HEAR, WE MIGHT HAVE ANOTHER HEARING ANYWAY.
SO WHY DON'T WE JUST HAVE 1 1 5 MINUTES TOMORROW? 'CAUSE WE'LL, BUT THIS IS FOR, THIS SEEMS TO BE FOR HEARINGS IN GENERAL.
THIS IS LIKE SOME SORT OF NEW RULE.
AND IT'S, IT, IT'S UNCLEAR WHAT THAT MEANS IS ALL I'M SAYING.
IT COULD BE, IT SHOULD BE CLEARER.
IF THERE'S GONNA BE A SECOND FIVE MINUTE ROUND, THEN WE SHOULD SAY THERE'S GONNA BE A SECOND FIVE MINUTE ROUND.
THIS, THE WAY IT'S WORDED IS AWKWARD AND UNCLEAR.
DOES IT COUNT THROUGH LEGISLATURE WHAT PEOPLE SPEAK TWICE? NO.
SO WHY DON'T WE JUST HAVE ONE FIVE MINUTE HEARING AND THEN, AND THEN BASICALLY,
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YOU KNOW, IN FIVE MINUTES PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES.AND THEN YOU HAVE THE DISCRETION AS A BOARD TO DEVIATE FROM THE RULES IF YOU THINK IT'S WARRANTED TO LET PEOPLE SPEAK.
BUT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, ETCHED IN STONE THAT YOU GET AN ADDITIONAL FIVE MINUTES IF THE HEARING IS ENCLOSED.
THE COUNTY ALSO LIMITS IT TO THREE MINUTES STAKE.
BUT YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT AT ALL.
I MEAN, THE WHOLE IDEA OF THIS, WE, WE WENT, WE WENT TO TWO ROUNDS.
UH, THE, THE PURPOSE OF THAT WAS IS THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER HEARING NOW, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE, FOR PEOPLE IN THE KNOW ABOUT PUBLIC HEARINGS, IF YOU HEAR IT'S GONNA BE ADJOURNED, YOU USUALLY WAIT UNTIL YOU'RE CLOSER TO WHEN THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THE VO THE VOTE.
BECAUSE THEY THINK, THEY THINK WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA REMEMBER WHAT THEY GAVE US IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING.
SO THE REASON FOR SAYING THAT IF THERE IS GOING TO BE AN ADJOURNMENT OF THE HEARING, THERE'S ONLY GONNA BE ONE ROUND IS SO THAT IT'S NOT 10 MINUTES OF TIME THAT THEY THEN REPEAT AT THE NEXT MEETING MM-HMM.
UM, BUT I, I HAVE, I HAVE NO ISSUE ON A, ON A, ON ON A, ON A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS GENERALLY ABOUT A LOCAL LAW, WHICH IS A VERY SUBSTANTIAL THING.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH HAVING TWO, TWO ROUNDS AS LONG AS IT'S NOT BEING ADJOURNED.
I MEAN, I JUST THINK IT SHOULD BE DISCRETIONARY BECAUSE IT MAY NOT BE WARRANTED.
AND WE MIGHT WANT TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND SOME PEOPLE MAY JUST TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE THIS LANGUAGE HERE JUST TO SPEAK FOR AN ADDITIONAL FIVE MINUTES.
AND MAYBE IT'S NOT EVEN THE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION, BUT THERE'S SOMEHOW
YOU GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD, YOU'RE GO TO THE ZONING BOARD AND PEOPLE START TO P SPEAK OFF TOPIC, IT'S SHUT DOWN.
UM, AND SO IT COULD SAY LIKE, THERE MAY BE A SECOND FIVE MINUTE ROUND PERIOD IF THE HEARING IS GOING TO BE ADJOURNED TO A SUBSEQUENT HEARING DATE, THERE MAY NOT BE A SECOND ROUND.
THAT'S MUCH CLEARER THAN WHATEVER THIS IS.
I THINK THAT'S NO, BUT THIS, THIS, THIS LETS THE PERSON WHO'S COMING NOT KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN, THEY WILL HAVE 10 MINUTES TO SPEAK OR NOT UNTIL THEY GET TO THE MEETING.
AND ARE YOU GONNA DO THAT DIFFERENTLY FOR DIFFERENT HEARINGS? ALRIGHT.
ANOTHER, IN OTHER WORDS, IF SOMEBODY'S PREPARING TO COME, THEY MAY HAVE PREPARED A LOT.
YOU KNOW, LIKE WE USED TO HAVE, SOMEBODY WOULD COME TO THE MEETINGS AND, AND GIVE US A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE LOCAL LAWS AND WHAT WAS WRONG WITH THEM AND WHAT NEEDED TO BE CHANGED HERE.
AND ALL VERY HELPFUL INFORMATION PROBABLY COULDN'T BE DONE IN FIVE MINUTES.
YOU PLAN THAT OUT IN TWO FIVE MINUTE ALLOCATIONS, YOU THEN GET TO THE MEETING AND THE PUBLIC FINDS OUT, OH, YOU ONLY GOT FIVE MINUTES.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO THE SPEAKER.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA RESOLVE THIS ISSUE TONIGHT BECAUSE I GUESS THE COURT'S GOTTA DISCUSS IT.
WELL, THE SENTENCE IS AMBIGUOUS IS ALL I'M SAYING.
I'M NOT TAKING A POSITION WITH WHAT IT SAYS I'M SAYING.
IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T LEAP OUT AT YOU WHAT IT MEANS.
THERE WILL BE A SECOND FIVE MINUTE ROUND, BUT UNLESS THE HEARING IS GOING TO BE ADJOURNED TO A SUBSEQUENT HEARING DATE, IN WHICH CASE THE TOWN BOARD MAY WAIVE THE SECOND ROUND.
SO IN WHICH CASE IS THAT IT'S GOING TO BE ADJOURNED TO A SUBSEQUENT HEARING DATE.
THERE'S NOT GOING TO THE DATE.
WE MAY WAIVE THE SECOND ROUND.
WELL, I THINK KEN LANGUAGE IS MORE CLEAR.
THE BOARD MAY WAIVE THE SECOND ROUND SUGGESTION.
I SAID THERE MAY BE A SECOND ROUND IF THE HEARING IS GOING TO BE ADJOURNED TO A SUBSEQUENT HEARING DATE, THERE MAY NOT BE A SECOND ROUND.
SO THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THIS.
THIS IS SAYING THAT THERE WILL BE A SECOND ROUND YOU'RE SAYING IS WE'LL TELL YOU WHEN YOU GET TO THE MEETING, IF THERE'S GONNA BE A SECOND ROUND, THERE MAY BE A SECOND ROUND IS NOT THE SAME AS THERE WILL BE A SECOND ROUND UNLESS IT'S ADJOURN IT.
I MEAN, ALL I'M SAYING IS IT'S UNCLEAR THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
SO I GUESS THE, ULTIMATELY WE HAVE TO DECIDE IS THERE A SECOND ROUND OR ISN'T THERE A SECOND ROUND? AND IF THERE IS GOING TO BE ADJOURNED, DOES THAT SECOND, SECOND ROUND BECOME DISCRETIONARY? THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT GETS DOWN TO.
UNLESS THE BOARD ONLY WANTS TO GIVE ONE ROUND, THEN MAYBE GIVE A SECOND ROUND IF THEY WANT TO.
UM, YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT IN CASES, IN CERTAIN INSTANCES RIGHT, PEOPLE HAVE COME WITH IMPORTANT INFORMATION THAT MIGHT TAKE LONGER.
WHAT IS, WHAT HAS BEEN, UH, IN THE HISTORY THAT, AS YOU KNOW IT, THE FREQUENCY OF THAT? AND IS IT SOMETHING THAT
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SHOULD APPLY, BE APPLIED SPECIFICALLY TO CERTAIN, UM, ISSUES THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED THAT MIGHT BE, MIGHT NEED MORE A BROADER, EXPANSIVE INPUT? WELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS TO THE SPEAKER, RIGHT? WE SHOULDN'T PREJUDGE WHAT'S, WHAT'S AN IMPORTANT TOPIC.UH, WE'VE ALREADY GONE FROM THREE MINUTES AND FIVE MINUTES, UH, TO FIVE MINUTES.
UH, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING 10 MINUTES AND MAKING IT FIVE MINUTES.
UM, I JUST REMEMBER WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, OF THE DAYS AND WANTING TO EXPRESS AN OPINION.
BUT THERE, WHATEVER IT IS, THERE SHOULD BE CERTAINTY IN WHAT THE TIME IS SO THAT THE PEOPLE COME PREPARED KNOWING WHAT THOSE, UH, TIME IS WITHOUT IT BEING, UM, TRUNCATED ONCE THEY GET HERE.
PERSONALLY, LIKE, SO LET ME ASK, LET ME, LET ME SAY THIS.
JUST SO WE SAYING THAT SPEAKERS SHOULD COME PREPARED TO SPEAK FOR FIVE MINUTES AND IT MAY EXTEND TO 10.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S KEN'S WORDING.
YEAH, BUT WE DON'T, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW IN ADVANCE.
SO THEN, SO HOW DO WE, SO HOW DO WE WRITE THAT? SO, 'CAUSE I MEAN, I THINK THEY WILL BE, THEY WILL BE EXCITED OR HAPPY THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL FIVE MINUTES, RIGHT? WELL, I THINK THEY'D BE MORE EFFICIENT IF THEY KNOW THEY ONLY HAVE FIVE MINUTES AND THEY WOULD CONDENSE THEIR COMMENTS AND, AND GET TO THE POINT, IF I KNOW I HAVE 10 MINUTES, THEN I'M NOT AS SUFFICIENT.
IS THAT, ARE WE ALL SAYING THE SAME THING? WELL, IT'S, IT'S, IT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.
SO IT'S, IT'S KNOWING IN ADVANCE HOW MUCH TIME YOU REALLY HAVE, RIGHT? SO WHAT I'M, THAT'S WHAT FRANCIS'S POINT IS, RIGHT? SO I, WELL TO ME, I'M IN FAVOR OF KEEPING IT THE WAY IT IS WHERE YOU ONLY, YOU ONLY WAIVE THE SECOND HEARING IF YOU KNOW THEY'RE GONNA HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AT THE NEXT, NEXT MEETING TO SAY WHATEVER THEY WERE GONNA SAY.
SO, BUT I THINK, BUT TO KEN'S POINT, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY REALLY DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE CHANGE, I THINK THE DISCUSSION THAT, THAT IT WAS CLEAR LIKE HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE, I DON'T WANNA, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, HOW DO WE DUMB IT DOWN SO IT'S CLEAR ENOUGH? THERE YOU GO.
THAT, UM, PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT UNDER A FORCED IMPRESSION.
THAT'S, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I THINK THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
WE'RE JUST THE LANGUAGE LANGUAGE.
SO, SO IS THERE ANY WAY THAT, HOLD, HOLD ON PAUL.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT MAYBE WE CAN DUMB THE LANGUAGE DOWN A LITTLE BIT SO IT'S A LITTLE CLEARER? MAYBE WE COULD JUST, AND AGAIN, ALL DUE RESPECT, LEMME JUST SAY SOMETHING.
IF AT THE HEARING TOMORROW PEOPLE SAY, THIS IS THE, UH, HORRIBLE PROPOSAL.
UH, AND THEY GIVE ALL THESE ISSUES AND THEN THE BOARD SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND WE'RE GONNA ADJOURN THE HEARING.
THEN AT THAT POINT WE COULD SAY THERE'S NO FIVE MINUTE SECOND FIVE MINUTE.
BECAUSE BASICALLY WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO ENTERTAIN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROPOSAL, YOU KNOW, AT THIS TIME.
ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW, IF, UH, IF THERE'S SOME DISAGREEMENT, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE OVERWHELMING AND THE BOARD DECIDES MAYBE WE WILL CONSIDER THE PROPOSAL, YOU KNOW, AS WRITTEN, THEN WE WOULD GIVE PEOPLE A SECOND HEARING.
SO LIKE, IF THERE'S LIKE A, IF THERE'S LIKE A JUST, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE REALLY HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK ON THIS.
BUT I DON'T THINK, BUT I DON'T THINK THE PROCESS IS CHANGING NO.
TO WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M HEARING, WHAT I'M HEARING.
IF I'M UNDERSTANDING EVERYONE, THE PROCESS IS NOT CHANGING.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE IS CLEAR ENOUGH THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
ALRIGHT, SO MAYBE IT'S THE, IN WHICH CASE IS THROWING SOME PEOPLE, SO IF IT SAID THERE WILL BE A SECOND FIVE MINUTE ROUND, UNLESS THE HEARING IS GOING TO BE ADJOURNED TO A SUBSEQUENT HEARING DATE, IF THE HEARING IS GOING TO BE ADJOURNED TO A SUBSEQUENT HEARING DATE, THE SECOND ROUND MAY BE WAIVED.
IT AND IT COULD BE, YEAH, IT COULD, YOU KNOW, ONE WORD MAKES A DIFFERENCE, SO FOR SURE.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CHANGE THIS FOR TOMORROW.
YOU WANT TO CHANGE THIS FOR NEXT WEEK? I'M JUST, WE DIDN'T CHANGE, WE DIDN'T CHANGE IT YOU TIME.
AS LONG AS IT SAYS, AS LONG AS IT SAYS THE SAME THING, PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT.
WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE? TIM TB ONE.
THE, UM, THE ALIENATION OF PARKLAND,
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YOU KNOW, OF SEA COURT ROAD? YES.YEAH, I DO YOU KNOW WHO DID THE MEETS AND BOUNDS ON THAT WARD CARPENTER, THE, UM, SURVEYOR, DON'T YOU HAVE TO REPLACE IT WITH PARK? YES.
SO, AND AGAIN, THIS IS, UM, GIVES THE TOWN THE ABILITY TO GIVE THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AN EASEMENT SO THAT THE RESIDENTS OF THE SECOR HEIGHTS, UM, DEVELOPMENT CAN ACCESS THEIR PROPERTY.
THEY CAN ACCESS THE PROPERTY NOW, BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL A TITLE SEARCH THAT THE ACCESS WAY WAS CONSIDERED PARKLAND.
IT'S PART OF SOME OTHER PROPERTY THAT WE HAVEN'T IN SOUTH OF THAT.
SO WE WANT TO GIVE THEM AN EASEMENT BECAUSE THEY NEED THAT THE BANK WANTS TO SEE AND FINANCING THAT THEY HAVE AN EASEMENT.
SO WE ARE ALIENATING THAT PROPERTY, USING IT IN THE SAME WAY AND REPLACING IT WITH PROPERTY THAT'S OVER BY TAX RIDGE, WHICH THE TOWN WANTS.
AND THE STATE IS INVOLVED IN THAT.
SO THE ALIENATION HAS TO BE DONE BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE.
UM, I'VE SPOKEN TO JOANNE, SO, AND TODD ANTE'S OFFICE, SHE'S KIND OF LEADING THAT.
WE JUST NEED A, A HOMEROOM REQUEST FROM THE, UM, FROM THE TOP.
SO I DIDN'T ACTUALLY POST THAT DOCUMENT BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANNA BE EMBARRASSED THAT WE THINK THAT THAT PROPERTY IS IN THE VILLAGE OF ARDSLEY.
AND, AND BIG, NICE BIG LETTERS AS A MATTER OF FACT.
AND IT SAYS IT MORE THAN ONCE.
IT'S IN THE LEY SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SOMEBODY'S, SOMEBODY'S, NO, BUT ALEY SCHOOL DISTRICT IS NOT THE SAME THING AS THE VILLAGE OF ALEY.
AND IF IT'S IN THE VILLAGE OF ALEY, IT WOULDN'T BE BEFORE US.
SO, UM, WE NEED TO FIX THE MEETS AND BOUNDS.
I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY, IT, IT COMES UP AS
UH, IT SHOULD ACTUALLY JUST SPECIFY THE ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE FARMER'S MARKET? WAS THERE ANY PROGRESS? UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF PROGRESS.
I MEAN, I THINK THE LAST VERSION THAT I SAW TODAY HAD SOME VERY MINOR CHANGES IN TERMS OF NAME REFERRING TO AN INDIVIDUAL PERSON VERSUS, YOU KNOW, THE ENTITY GEMSTAR.
BUT I THINK IT'S, THERE'S A NEW VERSION.
WELL, THERE WAS A NEW SUGGESTED VERSION THAT CAME IN, WHICH HAS, UH, A COUPLE OF VERY, VERY MINOR CHANGES.
BUT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT OR WE CAN JUST ADOPT OUR VERSION.
BUT OUR VERSION, THE ONE THAT YOU SENT US, WHICH DIDN'T SHOW ANY HIGHLIGHTS AS TO HAVING IT, HAVING AN ADDITION TO IT.
HAD A STATEMENT IN THERE THAT SAYS THAT WE WOULD GIVE THE, UH, LEASE LEASEE THE, UM, AMPLE TIME TO CORRECT ANY, ANY, UM, ANY DEFAULT OR DEFECT.
IT'S A FOUR OR IT'S A FOUR A MONTH.
AND HOW DO YOU DEFINE AMPLE TIME? I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAME, WE CAME UP WITH A VERSION, AND NOW WE HAVE NEW VERSIONS BEING GIVEN TO US WITHOUT SHOWING US THAT THERE ARE ADDITIONS.
BUT I, WHENEVER I GET THESE DOCUMENTS, I DO A COMPARISON OF WORK AND IT POPS UP TWO, TWO NEW ADDITIONS THAT WERE NOT THERE BEFORE
I'D HAVE TO AGREE AND TO PUT IN LANGUAGE SUCH AS WE WILL GIVE AMPLE TIME FOR THEM TO CORRECT ANY DEFAULT, UM, ON A FOUR OR FIVE MONTH CONTRACT.
BUT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN AN ADDITION THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO TAKE OUT, BUT WE DIDN'T TAKE OUT.
THAT, THAT WAS NOT IN THE VERSION THAT WAS BEFORE US.
THAT, THAT WENT IN IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS AFTER WE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WILLING TO DO THIS.
UM, AND UH, AND WHAT WAS TROUBLING TO ME IS IF I DIDN'T DO A COMPARISON OF DOCUMENTS, I WOULDN'T HAVE FOUND IT.
THERE WAS, THERE WAS ANOTHER CLAUSE IN THERE AS WELL.
NOW DO WE, BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, I HAD EMAILED
WE DON'T, WE'VE BEEN READY, WE'VE BEEN READY WITH OUR VERSION.
WE CAN JUST ADOPT OUR VERSION.
IT MIGHT BE SOME SMALL CHANGES THERE.
DO YOU THINK SHE'LL GO ALONG WITH IT? WELL, SHE, I DO THINK SHE'LL GO ALONG WITH IT, YES.
BECAUSE THEN WE COULD START PUBLICIZING IT ONCE SHE SIGNS IT.
I MEAN, THAT'S, WE CAN'T UNDERSTAND ALL, SO THAT'S GOOD.
SO AT LEAST WE'LL, WE'LL, AND SO WHEN'S SHE GONNA START IF SHE SIGNS IT? WELL, OKAY, ONE OTHER THING IN THE CAPTION HERE, IT MENTIONS, UM, I THINK, UH, 2:00 PM TO 6:00 PM ON THURSDAYS, BEGINNING JUNE 2ND,
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UH, THROUGH OCTOBER 27TH.I THINK WE HAD AGREED THAT SHE COULD GO TO ONE O'CLOCK AS OPPOSED TO TWO O'CLOCK.
AND I THINK THE THOUGHT WAS, UM, DO YOU WANT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE LUNCH SEASON THAT PEOPLE HAVE LUNCH? THAT'S, SO THAT WAS A CHANGE I THINK THAT WE HAD ALL AGREED TO.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DISCUSS IT.
I THINK THAT IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE, UH, BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF EMPLOYEES REALLY ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S RESIDENTS WHO ALSO I THINK ARE GONNA LOOK FORWARD TO IT.
SO AN EXTRA HOUR I DON'T THINK IS GONNA CREATE ANY PROBLEMS. WELL, PRESUMABLY SHE'S SETTING UP BEFORE THAT.
I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE JUDITH AND, AND KRISTA WHO WORKED ON THIS AS WELL.
I THINK THEY HAD REALLY REQUESTED THAT.
'CAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE TO THE BENEFIT OF THE TOWN.
I DON'T EVEN THINK COLBY REALLY REQUESTED THAT.
I, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT A REQUEST THAT CAME BEFORE US UNTIL YOU MENTIONED IT.
SO THAT, SO I'LL CIRCULATE SOMETHING TONIGHT AND SEE IF WE CAN TALK.
IS THAT IT? UH, MOTION FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION.
MOTION FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION FOUR.
SO WITH THE, UM, PRESENTATION ON SYSTEMIC RACISM, SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON HOW WE'RE HANDLING THAT.
UM, I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE ON THE AGENDA TOMORROW, BUT NOW IT'S, IT'S ON FOR THE 25TH.
SO IT HAS BEEN REQUESTED THAT THE MEETING IS MOVED TO MAY 25TH AT SEVEN 30 MEETING, SEVEN MEETING.
IT'S GONNA BE ON THE SAME TOWN BOARD MEETING.
UM, AND IF PEOPLE WANNA ASK QUESTIONS, PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PRESENTATION.
SO THERE IS NO, THERE WAS SOME CON THERE WAS CONCERN WITH THAT, BUT NO.
SO WE HAVE NOW SCHEDULED IT FOR, IT'LL BE MAY 25TH.
THE MEETING, THE TOWN BOARD MEETING STARTS AT SEVEN 30.
I CANNOT GIVE A DEFINITE TIME WHEN THE PRESENTATION'S GOING TO BEGIN.
AND THERE WILL BE, UM, QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS REGARDING THE PRESENTATION.
AND HOW LONG ARE WE GOING TO GO? AS LONG AS WE WANT.
DO WE WANT TO SAY IT'S 45 MINUTES OR A HALF HOUR OR WHATEVER? AND COULD WE START THE MEETING AT SEVEN O'CLOCK THAT EVENING? 'CAUSE IF WE GO FROM SEVEN TO SAY 7 45, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME.
THIS IS NOT, I MEAN, NO, I'M JUST, THIS IS A, I'M JUST MAKING A BOARD DECISION.
SO, I MEAN SO YOU'RE SAYING 45 MINUTES? NO, I'M SAYING, LET'S SAY WE, WE START THE MEETING AT SEVEN O'CLOCK, UM, AND YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE SAY AT 7 45 WE'LL CONDUCT THE REST FROM SEVEN TO 7 45 AND, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD HAVE THE PRESENTATION AND QUESTION.
SO, SO WAIT, BUT WAIT, HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
'CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE SETTING, YOU'RE SETTING AN EXPECTATION THAT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S CLEAR ON THE MEETING.
YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE MEETING TO START AT SEVEN O'CLOCK, WHICH MEANS THE, THE TOWN MEETING, THE TOWN BOARD, THE FULL TOWN BOARD MEETING WILL START, BEGIN, MEANING EVERYTHING AS IT RELATES TO ALL OUR ANNOUNCEMENTS, RIGHT? A MOMENT OF SILENCE AND EVERYTHING THAT WILL START AT SEVEN 7:00 PM SO SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SEVEN AND 7 45 THERE WILL BE THE PRESENTATION.
SO IT COULD BE AT SEVEN, NO 10.
I'M SAYING THAT'S WHAT I'M, BE CLEAR.
WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT SINCE THEY WANT TO FEEL THAT THEY'RE BEING GIVEN THE RESPECT AND THAT WE'RE NOT RUSHING IT, THAT WE WOULD SAY AT SEVEN O'CLOCK THEY MAKE THE PRESENTATION.
NO, WE GOTTA START THE MEETING.
THAT'S, I'M TALKING TO GIVE RESPECT TO, TO THE AMERICAN FLAG.
THEY'RE FIRST ON THE AGENDA AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.
SO NO, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES.
HAVE THE, THE WAY IT WAS JUST, JUST, I I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN, BUT IT'S, IT'S, THEY'RE NOT STARTING AT SEVEN.
YEAH, AT SEVEN O'CLOCK WE DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
WE'RE GOING TO PAY RESPECT TO THOSE WHO HAVE DIED.
WE'LL DO THE ROLL CALL AND THEN YOU CAN DO THE PRESENTATION.
SO IT MAY BE 7 10, 7 15 DEPENDING ON WHEN IT GETS STARTED.
WE DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT AT SEVEN.
THIS IS GONNA START AND THEN WE'LL DO ALL THAT STUFF LATER.
BUT THE ONLY, THE ONLY THOUGHT THAT I, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS ON THE AGENDA FOR TOMORROW NIGHT.
THE ONLY WE PUT AT END OF 7 45, WE WANNA GIVE THEM 45.
WHY DON'T WE SAY THEY HAVE 45 MINUTES FROM THE START, UH, TO, TO THE FINISH.
SO THERE'S LIKE THREE HOURS OF QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.
THEY CAN'T HAVE THAT, BUT THEY COULD HAVE 45 MINUTES OF, SO THE PRESENT, SAY THE TOTAL PRESENTATION TIME, INCLUDING QUESTION AND ANSWERS IS 45 MINUTES.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THAT'S CORRECT.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST GOING FOR CLARIFICATION.
WELL, HOW LONG IS THE PRESENTATION? THE PRESENTATION, MIKE? I DON'T THINK WERE YOU, YOU WANT, THEY SAID IT WAS LIKE 10 MINUTES.
I THINK THE PRESENTATION'S PROBABLY ABOUT MINUTES.
WE GIVE 15, 20, 15 TO 20 MINUTES FOR THE PRESENTATION.
AND WHAT, 20 MINUTES FOR THE QUESTION AND ANSWERING.
WELL LET THEM MAKE THE DECISION.
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MINUTES EACH TO PLAY FULL, FOR FULL, FOR FULL PRESENTATION FOR BOTH.BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS CLEAR ON THE TIMEFRAME AND WHEN THE MEETING IS STARTING.
'CAUSE I JUST DON'T, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE IS NO ONE PEOPLE FEELING THAT THERE'S AN, THE DEB DEMAND SLIGHTED OR ANYTHING THAT, FROM WHAT WE JUST SAID HERE, IS THAT THE MEETING IS GOING TO START AND YOU'RE CHANGING THE TIME OF TOMORROW'S, I MEAN THE 25TH MEETING, RIGHT TO 7:00 PM RIGHT START TIME.
WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH OUR AGENDA AS IT IS WRITTEN HERE.
WHEN WE GET TO THE PRESENTATION, THE PRESENTATION CAN PROBABLY BE AROUND 7 10, 7 20, HAVE LONG IT TAKES FOR US TO GET THROUGH THIS.
AND THEN FROM THAT STARTING POINT, THEY HAVE THE PRESENTATION AND THEY HAVE THE QUESTIONS.
AND FOR A TOTAL OF 45 MINUTES AND HOWEVER LONG THEY TAKE FOR THE PRESENTATION WILL EITHER SHORTEN OR LENGTHEN THE Q AND A BECAUSE IT'S ALL WITHIN.
SO THE PRESENTATION, THE PRESENTATION TIMEFRAME IS 45 MINUTES PRESENTATION AND Q AND A PERFECT PRESENT.
AND THERE'LL BE NO OTHER PRESENTATIONS THAT NIGHT.
SO THAT'S, WE DO, UH, WE HAVE UH, ANOTHER PRESENTATION.
WHAT IS THAT? WHAT IS THAT? UH, THERE WAS UM, UH, THE, UH, BRING IT UP.
UH, YOU HAD SUGGESTED THE, UH, DANCE TEAM.
THE DANCE TEAM AT THE YOUNG COMMUNITY CENTER.
THEY'RE GONNA PERFORM, THEY'RE GONNA PERFORM THAT NIGHT.
THEY, THEY WANT A MAJOR COMPETITION.
CAN IT BE A DIFFERENT NIGHT? YOU KNOW, THE KIDS, THAT'S WHY TOMORROW NIGHT WAS BETTER BECAUSE WE ALREADY MOVE THE MENTAL HEALTH TO THIS NIGHT.
BUT YEAH, IT'S TOO LATE TO MOVE IT BACK.
NOW IF YOU COULD GET THE, COULD YOU GET THEM? UH, NO.
THEY NEED A LITTLE TIME BECAUSE THE SPACE IS SMALLER.
THEY DO HAVE TO PREPARE AND THEY'RE GONNA SHORTEN IT.
IT WAS A ALMOST A THREE MINUTE PRESENTATION.
OH, THEY WERE GONNA COME HERE.
NOW WAS PAUL'S SUGGESTION, BUT THREE MINUTES.
IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH TO DO THE WHOLE THING ANYWAY.
SO THEY JUST NEED TO ADJUST IT A LITTLE BIT.
SO, OKAY, SO JUST SO EVERYONE IS CLEAR, SO ADJUST IT TO BE ANYWHERE FROM THREE MINUTES TO FIVE MINUTES.
NO, WE CAN ADJUST IT TO BE SHORTER.
AND WHAT DOES SHORTER MEAN, TIM? I WOULD SAY, WHY DON'T YOU COME UP HERE 'CAUSE WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION IN THE AUDIENCE.
AH, I WOULD SAY THAT'S A WHY THANK YOU.
UM, I WOULD SAY LET'S SAY MAX TWO MINUTES.
THAT IT PROBABLY WOULD BE FOR THE WHAT? THE DANCE ROUTINE.
SO A TOTAL, BY THE TIME I GET EVERYTHING, ARE WE SAYING FIVE MINUTES? YES.
OKAY, SO NOW I THINK THAT'S FINE.
SO WE'RE SAYING, SO WE'RE SAYING, SO WE'RE CLEAR, THERE ARE GONNA BE TWO PRESENTATIONS ON MAY 25TH.
AND IT'S GOING TO BE OF THE HISTORY OF SYSTEMIC RACISM AND HOUSING AND THEN YOUR, YOUR DANCE, YOUR DANCE GROUP.
SO LET'S JUST MAKE SURE WE, EVERYBODY IS CLEAR AGAIN, THE MEETING ON THE 25TH IS GOING TO START AT 7:00 PM WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE AGENDA AS IT IS WRITTEN.
AND THEN THE PRESENTATION FOR THE HISTORY OF SYSTEMIC RACISM AND HOUSING IN GREENBURG WILL BE FOR 45 MINUTES.
THEN THE PRESENTATION FROM YOUR DANCE TROUPE WILL BE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES.
CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? UH, BECAUSE YOU HAVE KIDS INVOLVED AND THEY'RE GONNA BE STUDYING AND THAT'S ONLY FIVE MINUTES.
WOULDN IT MAKE, AND ALSO YOU HAVE THE, WOULDN'T IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THE KIDS MATTER? BECAUSE THEN THEY COULD GO, UH, YEAH, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE BETTER.
I MEAN I WAS TRYING TO GET, I THINK THE KIDS SHOULD GO FIRST.
I MEAN I WAS, I WAS JUST, OKAY, I'M SORRY.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO BE VERY CLEAR.
ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE AND THAT HELPS.
IT WOULD BE A GREAT, WE SEE SET FOR THAT.
SO WE'RE ALL CLEAR IF IT COMPLIMENTS EACH OTHER, IF YOU DO IT IN THAT WORK.
NOW IS THE Q AND A FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC OR JUST FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS? THE GENERAL PUBLIC? NO, IT'S GENERAL.
THE GENERAL Q, GENERAL PUBLIC.
NOW IS HE AVAILABLE, IS HE AVAILABLE THE 25TH? YES.
I HAVE AN EMAIL, I HAVE A TEXT MESSAGE HERE THAT SAID HE, IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR THE AT SEVEN, MAY 25TH.
AND IS HE OKAY WITH ANSWERING QUESTIONS? HE'S OKAY WITH ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS CLEAR IN THERE THERE'S NO DISCREPANCIES AND THERE IS NO MIS THIS MISUNDERSTANDING.
TOPICS SUBJECT MATTER WILL GENERATE THE QUESTION.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO IT'S A VERY, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE MIGHT BE DISAPPOINTED IF THEY'RE PUTTING, IF THEY DON'T GET TO ASK THEIR QUESTIONS.
NO, BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS SAY, UM, IF THEY, IF WE IT ENDS AND THEY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, THEY CAN PUT IT IN WRITING AND RIGHT.
THEY CAN SEND IT AND THEN WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT.
AND YOU'LL GET IT TO HAVE MANY PEOPLE AND I'LL GET IT.
AND THEN, I MEAN I JUST, I JUST
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WANNA PURPOSE, THIS IS A REALLY GOOD, UM, HISTORY OF SYSTEMIC RACISM AS IT RELATES.OH, IT'S AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.
I'M ALREADY, THAT'S PRESENTATION.
YOU KNOW, AND IT JUST SHOWS IT, IT JUST SHOWS, YOU KNOW, THE DISPARITIES AND YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCES.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A LOT TO WORK ON
SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, UH, BUT IT'S, IT'S VERY INFORMATIVE.
YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION? WELL I
HE JUST ONE MORE TEST HIM TRYING MAKE TOMORROW EASIER.
SO TB FOUR, WHICH RELATES TO THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MENTAL HEALTH, UH, THE MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM.
AND I KNOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO RECEIVE THIS ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION THAT NO ONE HAS SEEN YET.
AND I, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE POST THAT AND IT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THE BOARD.
SO, AND MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC SEES IT IN, IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING.
'CAUSE THEN PEOPLE WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO COMMENT ON IT, SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.
AND IF WE ARE NOT, IF WE DON'T GET IT IN TIME, THEN MAYBE WE MIGHT HAVE TO DO IT AT A SPECIAL MEETING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND UH, I THINK WE ALSO HAVE A PR TWO I WANT TO SAY, UH, THAT'S ON THE AGENDA AND UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE HAD A FULL DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT'S, UH, INVOLVING THE ANTHONY VETERAN PARK POOL.
SO THAT IS AGENDA WE HAVE DISCUSS.
CAN WE HAVE, WELL LET'S HAVE SOME MORE DISCUSSION DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION.
I'LL ALSO JUST, THIS WAS, UH, AMAZING.
THE BEST SINCE I'VE BEEN TOWN SUPERVISOR, OTHER ISSUES HAVE COME UP, OTHER ISSUES HAVE COME UP.
YOU GONNA MAKE THE MOTION TO GO ON EXECUTIVE SESSION? YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL KEEP THE POSITIVE MOMENTUM GOING.
YOU WANNA MAKE THE MOTION TO GO ON EXECUTION? YES.
FOR UH, MAKE THE MOTION FOR UH, UH, PERSONNEL DISCUSSIONS INVOLVING SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS.
TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE ON NEGOTIATION OF CONTRACTS, RIGHT? YES.
IS THERE A SECOND ON THAT? SECOND.
SO I GOT JOIN WHATEVER, TWO SECONDS.
DO WE HAVE A LONG ONE? IYE I'S ON TONIGHT.
NOT THAT PEOPLE CAN GET OUT IT.
WE THREE TONIGHT, WHATEVER THE CHOICE FOR TWO YEARS.