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YOU KNOW, GARRETT HAS THE PRESENTATION HE'S GONNA DISPLAY ON.SO, UH, WELCOME TO OUR ACCOUNT WORK, UH, WORK SESSION.
IT'S, UH, MAY 17TH, UH,
AND OUR FIRST PRESENTATION IS FROM NATASHA KAPUTO, WHO'S THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY DIRECTOR OF TOURISM AND, UH, AND FILMS. AND YOU'LL TELL US WHEN WE CAN READ ALL THE STARS.
UM, IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
AGAIN, IT'S, UM, MY NAME'S NATASHA CAPUTO.
I'M DIRECTOR OF TOURISM AND FILM.
UM, I SHARED WITH YOU IN YOUR PACKETS JUST OUR OVERALL, UM, KIND OF A SAMPLING OF OUR TOURISM EFFORTS AND OUR PRINT PUBLICATIONS.
UM, WE'LL ALL BE GOING TO BE UPDATING THAT NOW, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE YEARS WE'VE HAD STOP BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, SPREAD AND COVID.
BUT, AND ALSO IN THEIR REALLY IMPORTANT IS A ONE PAGER OF THE TOTAL ECONOMIC IMPACT OF TRAVEL AND TOURISM TO THE COUNTY.
I JUST WANNA NOTE THIS IS, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TOURISM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NON-RESIDENTS THAT ENJOY ALL OF OUR OFFERINGS HERE IN THE COUNTY, INCLUDING AT OUR HOTELS AND DIFFERENT SECTORS.
SO, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MY BUSINESS CARD IS IN THERE, PLEASE REACH OUT TO ME AND I'M HAPPY TO DIG A LITTLE BIT, DIVE DEEP OR INTO THE OVERALL TOURISM.
BUT TO START, UM, FOR TONIGHT, I'M GONNA JUST TALK IN ABOUT WESTCHESTER COUNTY FILM.
UM, THE TOURISM AND FILM OFFICE ACTS AS THE OFFICIAL TOURISM AND FILM OFFICE TAKING INQUIRIES AND A PORTAL FOR ALL OF THE VARIOUS PRODUCTIONS THAT WANT TO OFF YOU WANT TO TAKE PLACE IN, DO SOME SHOOTS HERE.
AND THAT INCLUDES FEATURE FILM, EPISODIC STREAMING, COMMERCIAL, AND PHOTOGRAPHY.
JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU THE SCAPE OF THAT, UH, THE, THE SCOPE OF IT, WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND I'LL JUST GO ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE.
UM, WE HAVE IT OUR, THESE ARE THE MOST FAMOUS CAST OF CHARACTERS THAT IS THE SESAME STREET BUNCH THAT CAME TO WESTCHESTER.
SO JUST TO START, IN 2019, PRE COVID, THE INDUSTRY GENERATED OVER $45.7 MILLION OF ECONOMIC IMPACT TO THE COUNTY.
THAT IS DONE BY A SURVEY TO ALL OF OUR MUNICIPALITY PARTNERS.
AND WE ASKED FOR YOUR PRODUCTION DAYS, WORKING WITH THE ASSOCIATION OF INTERNATIONAL FILM COMMISSION.
WE THEN USE THE SAME MULTIPLIERS OF THAT WESTCHESTER COUNTY OUTSIDE OF NEW YORK CITY IS THE BUSIEST COUNTY FOR FILM.
WE HAVE A VERY DIVERSE BACKGROUND, LOCATIONS, AREAS, WIDE OPEN SPACES THAT FOLLOWING PANDEMIC SHUTDOWNS WERE VERY APPEALING AS SOON AS SUMMER 2020, WHEN A LOT OF OUR EPISODIC SERIES WANTED TO FIND LOCATIONS THAT WAS CLOSE TO HOME IN THEIR STUDIOS IN NEW YORK CITY, BUT ALSO OFFERED SAFE SETTING FOR THEM.
AND WE CREATED BUBBLES AT MANY DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
SO MOVING AHEAD, WE SEE THE REBOUND CONTINUING AND 2022 IS ON TRACK.
I ALSO JUST WANNA SHARE SOME OF AWARD-WINNING PRODUCTIONS AND, UM, THAT TAKE PLACE HERE.
THIS IS AN ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT HAPPENS, IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOWCASE OUR SMALL BUSINESSES AS WELL AS OUR MUNICIPAL LOCATIONS, COUNTY SPOTS WITHIN YOUR BACKYARD.
OUR BIGGEST SUCCESS AT THE MOMENT THAT WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH IS THE GILDED AGE.
THERE'S A CONNECTION TO TOURISM THAT SHOW.
NOT ONLY BROUGHT THEIR PRODUCTION HERE TO WESTCHESTER COUNTY, BUT WORKING HAND IN HAND IN THEM.
WE WERE ABLE TO PROMOTE WESTCHESTER COUNTY IN THE VARIOUS LOCATIONS TO FUTURE VISITORS COMING IN THROUGH ITINERARIES, THROUGH PRODUCTION, YOU KNOW, MAGAZINE ARTICLES AND ONLINE BUZZ.
SO THIS NEW MOMENTUM WILL CONTINUE AS WE SEE MORE EXPANSION HAPPENING.
AND, UM, HERE IN YONKERS, WE'LL HAVE OUR LIONSGATE STUDIOS AND THAT INCREASE IN STREAMING CONTENT, INCREASE IN THE DESIRE TO BE CLOSE WITHIN A NEW YORK CITY FILM ZONE, THAT WE ARE A CATCHMENT AREA.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO SEE A LOT MORE AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND HOW DO WE WORK WITH YOU? ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
WESTCHESTER COUNTY TOURISM AND FILM HAS DEDICATED WEBSITE FOR THE FILM LOCATION.
IT'S A B TWO B SITE ON THAT, WE HAVE G I SS FILM LOCATIONS, MAP ONLINE LISTINGS FOR LOCATIONS, INCLUDING THE MUNICIPALITIES AND MUNICIPAL CONTACTS IN THAT YOU WILL FIND WHATEVER YOU TELL US TO PUT ON THERE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COMMUNICATING AND INSTRUCTING OUR PRODUCTIONS AND LOCATION SCOUTS THAT COME INTO THE AREA.
WE'RE KIND OF WANNA ACT AS A CONCIERGE SERVICE AND BRIDGE THE GAP WITH OUR MUNICIPAL PARTNERS HERE IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY AND THE OUTSIDE BUSINESSES THAT ARE COMING HERE.
WE ALSO HAVE CREATED ONE PORTAL FOR A LOCATION GALLERY.
WE HAVE OVER 40 THOU 4,000 PHOTOS OF DIFFERENT SPOTS THROUGHOUT WESTCHESTER THAT ARE THERE.
THAT IS A RESOURCE AND A TOOL THAT GOES OUT.
WE DO QUARTERLY NEWSLETTERS TO ALL OF OUR LOCATION SCOUTS.
WE SIT ON THE NEW YORK PRODUCTION ALLIANCE BOARD.
WE WORK WITH THE NEW YORK STATE FILM.
WE WORK WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT STUDIOS AS WELL AS DIFFERENT ACROSS
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THE STATE.SO OVERALL, THE BIGGER IS KEEPING THE BUSINESS HERE IN NEW YORK.
BUT WITH GROWTH COMES CHALLENGES, AND A LOT OF IT IS HANDLING THE INQUIRIES.
WE'RE HERE TO HELP YOU ALL, UH, KIND OF FACILITATE WHATEVER DIALOGUE OR CONVERSATION WITH THE PRODUCTION.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BUSINESS STAYS IN WESTCHESTER.
IF, UM, THERE ARE ISSUES THAT SOMETHING CAN'T BE DONE, PERHAPS WITH WESTCHESTER COUNTY SUPPORT, WE CAN FIND ANOTHER LOCATION OR ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY SUPPORTING AND WORKING WITH OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES.
WE HAVE A RESOURCE AND A VENDOR LIST ON OUR WEBSITE THAT HAS A VERY BIG ATTRACTION.
WE WORK WITH LOCATION MAGAZINES AND REALLY FEEDING THIS INFORMATION TO KEEP PROMOTING WESTCHESTER AS A DESTINATION FOR PRODUCTION.
AND I MENTIONED QUICKLY HOW WE SERVICE THE INDUSTRY.
IT'S REALLY BY BEING A PARTNER WITH 'EM, CONTACTS FOR CASTING CREW.
WE HAVE A LOT OF ACTIVITY ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA, WHICH IS WESTCHESTER COUNTY FILM.
IT ALSO CONNECTS TO WESTCHESTER COUNTY TOURISM.
IF WE CAN GET AS MUCH PRODUCTION AS WE CAN.
AND FOLKS HAVE BEEN WATCHING TV AND STREAMING, AND THEY SEE WESTCHESTER IN THAT BACKGROUND IN THAT SHOW, THEY'RE GONNA BE ENCOURAGED TO COME VISITING, VISIT US HERE IN WESTCHESTER.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE TOURISM INFORMATION REALLY TAKES IN, UM, A LIKE A STRONG CONNECTION, BUT ALSO HELPS PLAN TO STAYS FOR HOTEL CREWS AT OUR HOTELS IN HERE, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, AS WELL AS SERVICE SOME OF THE OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES.
SO THAT'S KIND OF A QUICK OVERVIEW OF HOW WE ACT AND, AND WANNA BE A PARTNER WITH YOU ALL.
UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, THIS LAST SLIDE IS REALLY, WE'RE HERE TO SERVICE YOU.
WE'RE PART OF YOUR TEAM, AN EXTENSION OF YOUR TEAM, AND TRYING TO EASE ANY DIFFICULTIES THAT WE MAY TO ENSURE THAT THE DAYS ARE DONE HERE IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY.
HOW, HOW COM, HOW COMPETITIVE ARE WE IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY VERSUS THE SURROUNDING AREAS? OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE NEW YORK CITY, BUT THEY MAY NOT WANT THAT LOOK.
HOW ARE WE IN COMPARISON TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN WESTCHESTER AND THROUGHOUT THE STATE? YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
UM, I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP AND AN OPEN DIRECT DIALOGUE IN MAKING SURE THAT WE FACILITATE THE INQUIRIES COMING IN.
IT REALLY IS AS THINGS OPEN OR NEW OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU MAY HAVE WITHIN YOUR MUNICIPALITY.
JUST LETTING US KNOW SO THAT WE CAN THEN COMMUNICATE.
UM, IT, IT IS YONKERS WHITE PLAINS, NEW ROCHELLE.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, SOUTH OF 2 87 IS THE, THE MOST ATTRACTIVE AND PROBABLY THE MOST COMPETITIVE IN GETTING IT.
THE EPISODIC SERIES WORK VERY QUICKLY.
IT TAKES MAYBE A FEW DAYS IN ORDER TO, TO SCOUT AND GET THOSE LOCATIONS IN PLACE.
THOSE ARE THE FBIS, THE BLACKLIST, THE MADAM SECRETARIES, ALL OF THE NEW, UM, AS I MENTIONED, STREAMING.
THEY WORK VERY QUICKLY WHEN IT COMES TO MOVIES AND SOME OTHER DIFFERENT TYPES OF PRODUCTIONS.
YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.
SO REALLY THE COMPETITIVENESS COMES TO ALSO JUST WORKING WITH US AND UNDERSTANDING THE BUSINESS SIDE OF IT, OF WHAT'S COMING.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT MEET THE PROPER TIMELINE IN SOME CASES, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HERE TO HELP AND TRY TO BRIDGE THAT GAP.
DO YOU HAVE ANY METRICS ON HOW IT COMPARES THE, THE FILM INDUSTRY COMING INTO WESTCHESTER VERSUS CONNECTICUT? SURE.
LOCAL CONNECTICUT OR LONG ISLAND? UM, ABSOLUTELY WE DEPEND ON NEW YORK STATE FILM OFFICE TO HELP US WITH THOSE METRICS.
UM, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT WESTCHESTER COUNTY FROM A DAYS AND ACTIVITY IS BUS IS THE BUSIEST AND PRE COVID OUTSIDE OF THE FIVE BOROUGHS WITH COVID, THINGS HAD CHANGED AND WE HAD SEEN MUCH MORE PRODUCTION NORTH OF US, UM, BUILDING THESE BUBBLES AND HUBS AND DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT STUDIOS.
SO FOR US HERE IN WESTCHESTER WITH THE, UM, WE HAVE A STUDIO IN MOUNT VERNON, WE HAVE QUALIFIED PRODUCTION FACILITIES.
SO IF YOU HAVE 10,000 SQUARE FEET OR MORE HIGH CEILINGS, YOU CAN APPLY THROUGH THE STATE AND BE QUALIFIED AS A PRODUCTION FACILITY.
THAT'S ALL LISTED ON OUR WEBSITE.
SOME HOTELS USE THEIR BALLROOMS, THE PARKING LOTS.
SO I REALLY THINK THAT BEING RESPONSIVE TO THE INQUIRIES THAT COME IN AS YOU ARE AND, UM, IN A TIMELY FASHION AND WORKING WITH US ONLY WILL MAKE US MORE COMPETITIVE.
WHY COULD THE TOWN DO THAT? WE'RE NOT DOING TO PROMOTE TOURISM AND FILM? I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
AND I'M GONNA ASK THAT WE, YOU PUT US ON OUR MAIL, ON YOUR DISTRIBUTION LIST, AND ELLEN KNOWS THIS AND THE TEAM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE HERE TO SERVE YOU.
SO THE MORE WE KNOW OF ANY HAPPENINGS NEW BUSINESS THAT MAY BE TAKING PLACE OR QUESTIONS WE'RE THEN PROMOTE.
UM, WE DO A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS AND A LOT OF COMMUNICATION WITH ALL THE LOCATION SCOUTS ON FILMING.
AS I MENTIONED, WHEN WE HAVE NEW IMAGES UP THE, ON THIS GALLERY, ON OUR
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NEWSLETTER, WE DO FEATURE BLOGS ON OUR WEBSITE.WE'RE CONSTANTLY PROMOTING THE ACTIVITY THAT'S TAKING PLACE HERE.
SO THE MORE WE KNOW, THE BETTER WE, NO, WE HAVE A NEW WEBSITE THAT PROMOTES BUSINESSES AND PROMOTES SO IT, IT, IT'S MULTIFACETED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD THE COUNTY COULD TIE INTO OR IF THAT WOULD BE, YOU MEAN THE LISTING OF, UH, VACANT, UH, STORES VACANTS IT, IT'S VACANT SPOTS, SIR.
BECAUSE, WELL, I WOULD LOVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED.
OPEN VACANT SPACES, OFFICE BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT COULD BE SET AS A, I'LL SEND YOU THE LIST, SO IF YOU CAN SEND IT TO ME.
AND ALSO THROUGHOUT, SPECIFICALLY FOR VISIT WESTCHESTER NY, WHICH IS THE OFFICIAL TOURISM AND THEN FILM SITE.
WE HAVE SPACE FOR MUNICIPALITIES TO GIVE US THEIR ITINERARIES FROM A TOURISM PERSPECTIVE.
THINGS THAT YOU WANNA PROMOTE.
WE DO A TON OF OUR ON OUR SOCIAL, AND WE'RE ACTIVELY ALWAYS SOLICITING STORIES AND ARTICLES TO PROMOTE WESTCHESTER COUNTY.
I'M SORRY, I WAS JUST WELL, YOU, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, NATASHA, UH, AS YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE A DIRECT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE OFFICE OF THE TOWN CLERK, AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE HEARING FROM LOCATION SCOUTS WHEN THEY CALL ME AND SAY, WESTCHESTER COUNTY REFERRED US TO YOU.
AND, UM, WHEN, WHEN YOU REFER THEM TO US, YOU HAVE, IT'S EVIDENT THAT YOU HAVE DONE YOUR HOMEWORK BECAUSE THEY WILL COME TO US ASKING FOR A SPECIFIC KIND OF LOCATION AND, UH, SPECIFIC KINDS OF H HOW HOMES, FOR EXAMPLE, OR SPECIFIC KIND OF PARK LANDS.
AND IT ALLOWS US TO GO DIRECTLY TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS HERE WHO CAN THEN, UM, HELP DIRECT THOSE LOCATION SCOUTS TO THOSE SPECIFIC AREAS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT AND OUR FILMING ACTIVITY.
I I I, I JUST WANNA SAY WITH A LOWER MY MASK SMILE.
UM, I, I BELIEVE THAT IT'S YOUR REFERRALS THAT HAVE REALLY IMPACTED THE INCREASE IN FILMING IN GREENBERG OVER THE PAST YEAR, BECAUSE WE HAVE REALLY, UM, UH, SEEN AN INCREASE IN ACTIVITY.
I, I HAD A ONE OTHER QUESTION.
UM, YONKERS OPENED UP, UH, LIONSGATE.
AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A WAY OF, UH, PARTNERING WITH THAT STUDIO, UM, FOR JOBS, FOR, UM, UH, STUDENTS WHO MAY WANT TO GO INTO, UH, ACTING, UH, OR, UM, EVEN IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF, SAY, CREATING LIKE A SATELLITE LIONS GATE, UH, OFFICE IN, YOU KNOW, IN GREENBURG.
UH, I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK.
NO, WELL, THIS IS WHAT WE DO, RIGHT? WE ALWAYS WANNA MAKE IT BIGGER, AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT THINKING.
I CAN CERTAINLY SEND YOU A LOT.
I MEAN, THE CITY OF YONKERS HAS DONE A GREAT JOB WORKING WITH THEM ON THAT.
UM, I DO KNOW IT IS A PHASED APPROACH IN THE OPENING.
SO I THINK AS WE SEE MORE PHASES COMING IN, I THINK THAT WE'LL SEE MORE OPPORTUNITY WITH THAT.
I ALSO WANT TO, UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN FILM PROGRAMS THAT WE, WE WORK WITH.
SO IF THERE IS, YOU KNOW, ON AN OFFSHOOT AFTER THIS MEETING, IF THERE IS MORE THAT YOU WANNA DO FROM AN EDUCATIONAL, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, ANECDOTALLY WHEN WE, I KNOW OF FOLKS EITHER SCOUTS OR PRODUCTION OR PRODUCERS THAT COME IN, THEY WORKED HERE AND NOW LIVE HERE.
SO THAT IS, YOU KNOW, ALSO A TESTAMENT TO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY AND ALSO THE GOOD WORK THAT THE TOWN DOES.
WESTCHESTER COMMUNITY COLLEGE HAS SOME COURSES AND WE'VE DONE A LOT OF PROGRAM WITH THEM.
AND THEN NEW YORK STATE FILM ALSO DOES SOME EDUCATIONAL, MAYBE THERE'S AN ALLIANCE THAT WE CAN BUILD THERE.
UH, JUDITH AND BOTH OF US, UH, HAVE, ARE SPONSORING TWO PROGRAMS, A STUDENT NEWS NETWORK WHERE STUDENTS ARE GOING TO FROM SCHOOLS ALL OVER, UH, UH, THE TOWN ARE, UM, UH, BECOMING ACTUALLY TV NEWS, UH, REPORTERS AND ANCHORS AND PRODUCERS.
AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOUR OFFICE COULD, UH, YOU KNOW, COULD WORK ON AND PERHAPS, UM, THIS SUMMER WHEN WE HAVE OUR INTERNSHIP PROGRAM, WE COULD GET SOMEBODY FROM LIONSGATE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO SPEAK TO THE STUDENTS BECAUSE SOME OF THEM MIGHT WANT TO GO INTO THE FIELD.
UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THAT CONNECTION, UM, AS WELL AS IF WE HAVE STUDENTS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, NEED NEWS, UM, WE CAN MAKE THEM TOURISM AMBASSADORS,
SO IF SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AWESOME AND WE CAN WORK ON TOGETHER, THERE'S A SERIES OF EVENTS THAT HAPPEN.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR CULINARY, OUR CHEF CONNECTION.
MAYBE THEY COULD DO SOME ADDITIONAL, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR VIDEO AND FOOTAGE.
AND I THINK A NEW PERSPECTIVE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, REALLY OF INTEREST.
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PEOPLE FROM N B C TV.WE HAVE OUR, OUR, UM, THE MENTORS, THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE GUIDING OUR YOUNG PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THIS, UM, PROJECT ARE N B C NEWSROOM DIRECTORS.
AND, AND SO THEY'VE JUST BEEN AWESOME.
THEY'VE BEEN DEDICATING AND COMMITTING THEIR LIVES
AND, UM, THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS NOW OF LEARNING HOW TO WRITE A NEWS STORY.
AND, UH, SO WE'LL BE CONTINUING.
THIS IS GONNA BE AN ONGOING PROJECT, AND WE PROBABLY HAVE LIKE 30 OR 40 STUDENTS FOR THE SUMMER.
WE HAVE, OH GOD, WE HAVE AT LEAST 35, 40 STUDENTS WHO ARE SUMMER INTERNS GOING TO BE PART OF OUR SUMMER INTERNSHIP PROGRAM.
LISA LACO WAS HERE LAST WEEK, SPEAKING TO THEM ON, UH, ON THE WHOLE FIELD OF BROADCAST JOURNALISM AND SHARING WITH THEM HER JOURNEY.
AND WE'VE HAD HILLARY CLINTON, WE'VE HAD SPEAK TO THE INTERNS IN THE PAST.
WE HAD, UH, UM, WHAT'S, UH, THE, THE WHO JUST PASSED AWAY.
WHO WAS THE GENTLEMAN? THE WHO? JUST THE
WAS HERE AS A GUEST SPEAKER TO THEM.
UH, YOUR FRIEND WHO IS A, THE ZUCKERBERG'S, RANDY ZUCKERBERG, WHO IS A MARKETING DIRECTOR OF FACEBOOK.
WE'VE HAD LIKE, A LOT OF, WE'VE HAD PULITZ SURPRISE, WE'VE HAD THE WINNER OF THE TONY AWARDS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
SO IF THERE'S PEOPLE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHO, UM, COULD SPEAK TO THE INTERNS IN THE SUMMER, THAT WOULD BE REALLY, I WILL DEFINITELY FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
JUST THEY LIKE TO NAME DROP THE INTERNS, SO.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, UM, THERE'S ALWAYS THE DESIRE FOR MORE CONTENT, AND IF WE CAN POTENTIALLY WORK WITH THE INTERNS TO DEVELOP SOME NEW THINGS WE CAN HIGHLIGHT OF WESTCHESTER MAKERS OR WESTCHESTER, YOU KNOW, UM, CELEBRITIES ARE GREAT, BUT ALSO JUST KIND OF THE LOCAL FEEL THAT WE CAN USE TO PROMOTE TOURISM AND THAT EXPERIENCE COMING TO VISIT THE AREA.
WOULD BE, UM, AND MAYBE WE CAN CREATE SOME SUMMER SERIES THAT WE CAN STREAM IT.
WE DO A LOT OF STREAMING ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS.
AND WE PARTNER WITH ATTRACTION, SO POTENTIALLY MAYBE WE CAN DO SOME DEDICATED PROGRAMMING WITH THEM.
HAVE YOU DONE ANYTHING AT THE GREENBURG NATURE CENTER? I THINK THEY DID ONE INSTAGRAM TAKEOVER.
WE'LL, WE, WE SCHEDULE IT, UM, WITH OUR TEAM AND, UM, WE'VE DONE, I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE GREENBERG.
THERE'S A NEW DIRECTOR, RELATIVELY NEW, AND SHE'S GOT FANTASTIC PLANS AND IS DOING GREAT THINGS.
WELL, I WOULD WELCOME THE INTRODUCTION AND MEETING TO PURSUE FURTHER BECAUSE, UM, THE MORE THAT WE CAN HELP AND THE MORE THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME FOLKS DON'T UNDERSTAND, BUT THE TOURISM PART OF IT, AS I SAID, IT'S ALWAYS, IT'S A NEW MONEY THAT COMES INTO THE COUNTY THROUGH ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT BUSINESSES.
UM, AND WE REALLY ACT AS A PORTAL AND A CATALYST INTO INSPIRE POTENTIAL VISITORS TO COME TO WESTCHESTER IN THE HUDSON VALLEY REGION FOR A LOCAL GETAWAY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.
AND ANY QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME.
UH, NEXT WE HAVE THE SPECIAL, UH, MEETING.
I THINK THE AGENDAS ARE ON THE DAY.
ARE WE GOING, ARE WE ON THE, OKAY.
DO WE HAVE TO ALSO, UH, CHANGE THE RULES TO ALLOW FOR PUBLIC SPEAKING? THE SPECIAL MEETING, NOT A WORK SESSION.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL LET PEOPLE SPEAK HERE.
SO, UH, NEXT, UH, WE HAVE, UM, BRUCE KEMAN, BRIAN HOODIE, LASER FISH ASSESSMENT.
IS BRIAN HOODIE WITH HIM? YES.
IF YOU WANNA BE ON, IF YOU WANNA BE SPOTLIGHTED, YOU, YOU NEED TO TURN ON YOUR CAMERA, OTHERWISE IT'LL JUST BE BY NAME.
THE DEEP, THE DEEPAK'S RIGHT HERE.
THANK, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.
SO BRUCE CADMAN IS HERE THIS EVENING, UH, SOME SORT OF PART TWO OF THE, UH, INITIATIVE THAT WE LAUNCHED.
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WOW.HOW MANY MONTHS AGO HAS IT BEEN NOW? IT'S BEEN, UH, OH, SINCE MARCH.
UM, TO UPGRADE OUR LASER FISH SOFTWARE AND, UH, THREE DEPARTMENTS OR, OR, UM, ON BOARD WITH THIS ACTUALLY FOUR DEPARTMENTS.
THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND CONSERVATION DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS, AND THE TOWN CLERK'S OFFICE WITH THE SUPPORT AND ENDORSEMENT OF OUR DIRECTOR OF MANAGEMENT INFORMATION SYSTEMS. SO BRUCE, WHY DON'T YOU BEGIN BY TELLING US WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE.
UH, JOINING ME AS WELL, UM, IS BRIAN HOODIE, OUR LASER FEE SOLUTION ARCHITECT WHO MET ON A FEW DIFFERENT OCCASIONS WITH, UM, THE TOWN CLERK AND OTHERS, UH, DEPARTMENT HEADS, UM, DEMONSTRATING THE NEW FEATURES AND FUNCTIONALITY IN LASER FE.
UM, JUST TO RECAP, THE TOWN HAS BEEN A CUSTOMER OF OURS ON THE CODIFICATION SIDE FOR YEARS, BUT ALSO A LASER FE EARLY ADAPTER.
UM, THE SOFTWARE SINCE ORIGINALLY PURCHASED HAS GROWN BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS IN TERMS OF ITS FEATURES AND FUNCTIONALITY.
UM, AND BRIAN AND I, UH, MET, UH, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TIMES, AS I SAID, TO, UH, HAVE A DISCUSSION AND TO SHOW THAT TO EVERYONE.
UM, THE TOWN BOARD, UH, FEW MONTHS AGO AUTHORIZED US TO, UM, MEET WITH CERTAIN, UH, DEPARTMENT HEADS, UM, TO EXPLORE WHAT OPPORTUNITIES EXISTED, UH, WITHIN THOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO BENEFIT FROM AN UPGRADE TO THE SYSTEM.
AND OUR, UH, COLLEAGUE, UH, SANDY BRENNAN, UH, MET WITH THOSE DEPARTMENT HEADS ON FEBRUARY 9TH AND 10TH, UH, FOR AN IN-DEPTH DIVE AT, UM, THE FUNCTIONS AND, UM, THE TYPE OF BUSINESS PROCESSES THAT THEY WERE WORKING WITH.
UM, THAT RESULTED IN A REPORT CALLED THE TOWN OF GREENBERG ASSESSMENT REPORT, WHICH WAS DELIVERED TO THE TOWN ON FEBRUARY 28TH.
AND THERE'S THE BASIS FOR, UM, THE PROPOSAL THAT WE PUT TOGETHER, UH, UNDER THE DIRECTION OF, UH, UH, DOTH AND, UH, DAK, UM, TO PROVIDE THE TOWN WITH A NEW LASERFICHE CLOUD SOFTWARE AS A SUBSCRIPTION, UH, PLATFORM.
UM, THE DETAILS OF THAT ARE ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT ASSESSMENT REPORT AND THE RATIONALE BEHIND HOW WE ARRIVED AT THE NUMBER OF USERS AND THE DIFFERENT, UM, CAPABILITIES OF THE SOFTWARE PACKAGE WERE, UM, ARRIVED AT AFTER THOSE ONSITE MEETINGS WITH THOSE DEPARTMENT HEADS.
SO I AM, UH, AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, UM, ABOUT THAT PROJECT.
AND BRIAN IS HERE, UM, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE, UH, TOWN BOARD MAY HAVE REGARDING THE TECHNICAL, UH, SOLUTION AS WELL.
BUT, UH, WE APPRECIATE THE EFFORT SO FAR THAT THE TOWN HAS PUT INTO, UH, THIS PROJECT AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT STEPS, WHICH, UM, INCLUDE, UH, THE PURCHASE OF THE UPGRADED SOFTWARE, THE TRAINING OF THE ADDITIONAL STAFF, UM, AND MAKING SURE THAT THE, UM, SOFTWARE ITSELF CAN BE USED BY MORE PEOPLE THAN IT IS NOW.
UH, 'CAUSE IT IS A SOMEWHAT LIMITED OPERATION AT THIS POINT.
SO, SO, SO, BRUCE, I'M NOT SURE IF, UM, IT'S YOUR MICROPHONE, UH, OR THE SOUND SYSTEM ON OUR END, BUT WE'RE LOSING YOUR VOICE.
SO CAN YOU MAYBE SPEAK A LITTLE CLOSER TO YOUR MICROPHONE? YEAH, I DO HEAR SOME BACKGROUND NOISE, WHICH IS NOT HERE.
I I'M ALL ALONE, SO, UM, OKAY.
SO, SO THE TOWN, INITIALLY, I AM CLOSER.
THE TOWN INITIALLY INVESTED, UM, UH, 6,500 INTO THIS PROJECT, UH, TO ALLOW FOR AN, AN ASSESSMENT TO BE CONDUCTED IN THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS.
AND SO WE ARE READY TO MOVE TO THE NEXT STEP IN TERMS OF, UM, UH, IMPLEMENTING THE SOFTWARE.
SO, ARE THERE QUESTIONS OF BRUCE CADMAN, UH, THAT WILL, UH, HELP TO, UH, EXPEDITE THE, THE, UH, NEXT STEPS? THIS IS THE COST THOUGH, BY THE WAY.
DO WE, DID HE MENTION THAT TOTAL COST OF THE SOFTWARE? YES.
AND I DO NOT HAVE THE PAPERWORK IN FRONT OF ME, BRUCE.
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YEAH.THE TOTAL COST FOR THIS, UH, EXPANSION OF THE, OF THE SOFTWARE IS, UM, $52,118 AND 30 CENTS.
UM, IT'S ON PAGE FIVE OF THE PROPOSAL THAT WE SUBMITTED TO THE TOWN.
AND AS I MENTIONED, IT WAS, UM, THE DESIGN OF THE SYSTEM WAS A RESULT OF THE ASSESSMENT THAT WE DID WITH MEETING WITH THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
UM, SO YOU'RE GONNA BE GOING FROM HAVING ABOUT EIGHT LICENSES, WHICH YOU CURRENTLY HAVE TO 33 LICENSES INCLUDED AS WELL.
OUR LASER FEE FORMS, UM, A, UM, PROGRAM TO, UH, STREAMLINE YOUR FREEDOM OF ACCESS, UH, TO INFORMATION, THE FOIL PROCESS, AS WELL AS A RECORDS MANAGEMENT SOLUTION.
SO THOSE ARE ALL INCORPORATED INTO THAT, UM, INTO THAT PRICING.
AND THAT INCLUDES, AND BRUCE, WE CAN, I'M SORRY, AND WE COULD PROBABLY REDUCE THE COST BY REDUCING THE NUMBER OF USERS, IS THAT CORRECT? YOU, YOU, YOU COULD, BUT THE YES, YOU DEFINITELY COULD.
UM, BUT ONLY TO A CERTAIN NUMBER BECAUSE THE BUSINESS TIER SOLUTION THAT YOU HAVE HAS A MINIMUM NUMBER OF USERS.
AND, UM, IN THE REPORT, UH, IT DOES IDENTIFY, UH, HOW WE ARRIVED AT THOSE 33 LICENSES.
SO, UM, AND THEY, THEY WOULD BE GOING TO THE TOWN CLERK'S, OFFICE, D P W, ENGINEERING, WATER BUILDING, AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND, AND CONSERVATION.
UM, BUT YES, YOU SAID YOU COULD REDUCE THE NUMBER, UM, IF YOU DECIDED TO HAVE FEWER LICENSES.
UH, BRIAN, YOU CAN CONFIRM FOR ME, BUT I BELIEVE THE MINIMUM NUMBER FOR THIS TIER THAT INCLUDES ALL OF THE THINGS THAT I MENTIONED, UM, IS 25 THAT CORRECT.
AND DOES THAT INCLUDE THE, THE IMPLEMENTATION AND TRAINING TO USE THE SYSTEM? JUST MAKE YES.
SO, A MEMBER WHO'S NOT HERE LAST WEEK, WHEN THEY HEARD, UH, WHEN WE HEARD THIS WAS GONNA BE ON THIS WEEK, WHY LASER FISH, RIGHT? UH, YOU KNOW, NOW WITH THE CLOUD AND EVERYTHING COULD BE PUT INTO PDFS AND STORED, IS THERE A STATE MANDATE THAT LA LASER FE MUST BE USED FOR STORAGE, OR, UM, NO, NOT AT ALL.
UM, I'LL LET BRIAN EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT I SAY, BUT THE LASER FE IS A, UM, SOFTWARE THAT'S INSTALLED NOW IN ABOUT 36,000 ORGANIZATIONS AROUND THE WORLD.
IT'S WRITTEN IN MULTIPLE LANGUAGES.
IT'S THE, UM, QUOTE UNQUOTE OFFICIAL SOFTWARE, THE INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTE OF MUNICIPAL CLERKS.
UM, WE AS A COMPANY, UM, WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 60 YEARS.
UM, UM, WE, UH, LOOKED INTO MANY OTHER SOFTWARE PRODUCTS BEFORE WE, UM, PUT THIS OUT TO OUR CUSTOMERS AS AN OPTION.
AND WE'VE HAD GREAT SUCCESS FOR WITH IT.
UM, MANY COMMUNITIES IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY ARE USING IT.
MANY COMMUNITIES ACROSS NEW YORK STATE, UM, ARE USING IT.
AND, UM, WE ARE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT THE SOFTWARE IS STATE-OF-THE-ART TECHNOLOGY.
UH, AND AS A COMPANY, WE PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, UH, A HIGH LEVEL OF CUSTOMER SERVICE AND TECHNICAL SUPPORT, UM, WHICH YOU HAVE KNOWN FOR MANY YEARS IN THE ACCOUNT AGREEMENT AS WELL.
AND WHAT ARE THE ONGOING COSTS? UM, THERE IS A, AN ANNUAL, UM, SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTION FEE OF $32,528 AND 30 CENTS BASED ON THE CONFIGURATION THAT WE'VE PRESENTED.
IS THERE ANY TRAINING INVOLVED WITH, UH, IN THAT NUMBER FOR NEW, NEW PEOPLE THAT MAY BE EMPLOYED? WELL, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UH, A SUPPORT, UM, FOR YOU THAT'S PART OF THAT, UM, PROCESS.
UM, THERE ARE, WE HOST WEBINARS.
WE DO, UM, ON A PRETTY REGULAR BASIS.
UM, SO SOME FORMS OF TRAINING WILL ALWAYS BE AVAILABLE.
UM, BUT I, I CANNOT COMMIT TO, UM, ANY PARTICULAR TRAINING UNLESS I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS GOING TO BE FOR.
BUT THERE IS, THERE ARE MANY RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO YOU, UM, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE PART IN THAT.
NOW, THE LICENSE IS ONLY USED NEEDED FOR EDITING.
UM, IS IT UNLIMITED, UM, NUMBER OF PEOPLE COULD ACTUALLY VIEW THE DATA? WELL, BRIAN, I'LL LET YOU, UH, TALK TO THAT FACT.
IF YOU'RE GONNA, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUSH IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC, THEN YES, THERE IS A PUBLIC PORTAL THAT ALLOWS UNLIMITED ACCESS THROUGH THE PUBLIC PORTAL AT THIS POINT IN TIME, INCLUDING WITH THAT SOFTWARE.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE TOWN BOARD WAS NOT ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS MENTIONED WHO WOULD HAVE A LICENSE TO IT.
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WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE COULD ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO DO OUR RESEARCH AND, AND VIEW THE DATA.WOULD, WOULD WE NEED A SEPARATE LICENSE TO DO THAT? YEAH, THERE ARE SEPARATE LICENSES THAT YOU CAN GET THAT DON'T COST AS MUCH MONEY.
THEY'RE CALLED PARTICIPANT LICENSES THERE, READ ONLY LICENSE.
SO YOU CAN DO YOUR RESEARCH, YOU CAN DO YOUR SEARCHING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
UH, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THE FULL COST OF THE USER.
APPROXIMATELY HOW MUCH IS THE, UH, THE REDUCTION? UM, THEY START AT $1,200 FOR 10, UM, PARTICIPANT LICENSES THAT CAN ACCESS THE REPOSITORY ANNUALLY? CORRECT.
THE LICENSES ARE MAINLY FOR SCANNING DOCUMENTS, UH, INTO, UH, UM, DIGI AND DIGITIZING DOCUMENTS FOR STORAGE AS WELL AS ACCESS TO DOCUMENTS.
YOU KNOW, I, I THINK MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT, UM, THE INDIVIDUALS IN EACH DEPARTMENT WHO, WHO YOU, BRUCE, UM, AND SANDY, IS THAT HER NAME? YEAH, SANDY.
CONSIDERED, UM, UH, ELIGIBLE FOR RECEIVING THE LICENSES.
MAYBE NOT EVERYBODY IN EACH OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS REALLY NEEDS A LICENSE.
AND THAT WAY IT CAN REDUCE THAT NUM THE NUMBER DOWN SOMEWHAT AND, UM, AND GIVE, UH, TOWN BOARD MEMBERS ACCESS TO THE SYSTEM.
UH, WHEN FRANCIS ASKED WHY LASERFICHE, LASERFICHE HAS BEEN IN, IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE FOR AT LEAST 15 YEARS, HOWEVER, THE SOFTWARE IS, UH, IT IS VERY OLD.
IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY OBSOLETE.
AND, UM, UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF, UM, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN USING IT AS WELL AS, UH, WELL, NO, IT'S JUST BEEN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THE CLERK'S OFFICE, AND D P W, THE COMMISSIONER OF D P W, UM, RICH FONG, UH, USED IT IN A PREVIOUS MUNICIPALITY WHERE HE WORKED AND JUST RATED IT VERY HIGHLY.
CAN WE JUST GO BACK TO THE QUESTION? IT LOOKS LIKE WINDOWS EXPLORER.
SO IT'S, IT'S PRETTY MUCH A FOLDER STRUCTURE.
UM, SO FOR THOSE THAT ARE USING IT TO THE END USER FOR READ ONLY ACCESS, IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY SIMPLE AND EASY TO USE.
AND, UM, THE PORTAL ALLOWS YOU, AS BRIAN WAS SUGGESTING BEFORE, YOUR ABILITY TO ACTUALLY, UM, PROVIDE INFORMATION A AGAIN, WITH SECURITY FOR THOSE PEOPLE, UM, BOTH INTERNALLY AND, AND THE PUBLIC.
UH, THE SOFTWARE ALSO INCLUDES JU, I MEAN, JUDAH'S POINT IS CORRECT, LASERFICHE FORMS. SO YOU'LL NOW BE ABLE TO CREATE FORMS WITHIN LASERFICHE THAT YOU CAN ALSO SHARE WITH THE, UM, MAKE INTERACTIVE WITH THE PUBLIC, UH, AND WORKFLOW COMPONENTS.
SO YOU CAN LOOK AT IMPROVING BUSINESS PROCESSES.
SO ONE OF THE BIG ADVANTAGES NOW WITH, UM, WELL, MORE DEPARTMENTS BEING INVOLVED, IS LOOKING AT HOW BUSINESS IS CONDUCTED AND THE ABILITY FOR OFFICES AND DEPARTMENTS TO WORK TOGETHER, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT INFORMATION FLOWS QUICKLY AND EASILY, BOTH INTERNALLY AND WITH THE PUBLIC.
BRUCE, SO LET ME ASK YOU, SO YOU SAID THAT 33 LICENSE IS FULL ACCESS? YES.
AND THE WAY THAT WORKED OUT IN, IN THE REPORT, YOU'LL SEE, UM, THE, IT, IT'S BROKEN DOWN.
I'LL JUST QUICKLY GO THROUGH IT.
THE PART DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS WAS LOOKING AT, UH, BASED AGAIN ON SANDY BRENNAN'S, UM, ASSESSMENT, WHICH HE DID BACK IN FEBRUARY, UM, ON SITE FIVE LICENSES FOR D P W SIX FOR ENGINEERING, FIVE FOR THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
UM, AS JUDITH MENTIONED, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S BEEN USING IT FOR YEARS.
THEY'VE ALSO WORKED WITH US ON SCANNING THOUSANDS OF RECORDS OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
UM, SO THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THERE.
SO 10 LICENSES THERE, FIVE IN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND CONSERVATION.
AND, UM, WE'RE BUMPING UP THE NUMBER OF LICENSES IN JUDAS OFFICE TO, TO FIVE.
UH, BUT AS YOU, AS, AS, UH, WE DISCUSSED, I MEAN, SETTING UP THOSE LICENSES, THEY CAN BE ASSIGNED TO OTHER PEOPLE IF, IF IT'S DETERMINED THAT THEY DO NOT NEED TO GO, UM, TO THAT MANY IN EACH DEPARTMENT.
SO AT THE COST, WE MENTIONED THAT YOU, THERE ARE 33 LICENSES, THEY CAN BE DISTRIBUTED AS YOU FELT WITH THE NEED FOR, AND THEN THE, AND THEN THE, THE ADDITIONAL LICENSES ARE $1,200 PER LICENSE IF YOU NO, FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE, LET ME JUST FINISH.
IT'S 12 $1,200 PER LICENSE FOR THE READ ONLY ACCESS? NO, THERE'S A, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S 10 USERS, RIGHT? 120, YEAH, A HUNDRED.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
IF YOU GUYS WANT ME TO SHOW YOU
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I CAN SHOW IT TO YOU REALLY QUICK.WAS THERE ANY COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS DONE WITH OTHER PROGRAMS, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF ASSESSMENT, UM, AT LEAST ON THE SURFACE OF IT TO, TO COMPARE SYSTEMS? YOU'VE MENTIONED THAT THIS IS AN UPGRADE OF A, OF A, AN OBSOLETE, UM, VERSION OF THE SYSTEM, AND IN ITS DURATION IT'S GOTTEN GOOD REVIEWS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT COMPARATIVELY BOTH, UM, IN TERMS OF PERFORMANCE AND IN TERMS OF, UM, COST TO THE TOWN, THAT IT IS THE BEST OPTION.
I MEAN, I, I WOULD IMAGINE YOU HAVE TO FACTOR IN THAT THE, THAT THERE'S SOME AMOUNT OF BASE TRAINING THAT EVERYONE IN DEPARTMENTS HAVE ALREADY HAD, BUT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST HAVE SOME IDEA OF THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
I, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WOULD.
UM, THERE, THERE CERTAINLY ARE, UH, OTHER SOFTWARE SOLUTIONS OUT THERE.
UM, AND I WON'T SPEAK TO ANY OF THEM, BUT I, I CAN TELL YOU THAT LASER FEAST IS ONE OF THE HIGHLY, MOST HIGHLY RATED RATED, UM, DOCUMENT MANAGEMENT, RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS AMONG ALL OF THEM, UM, IN THE GARTNER REPORTS, THEY'RE IN THE UPPER QUADRANT.
AND, UH, SO IT'S A VERY HIGHLY RATED SOLUTION.
BRUCE, DO YOU KNOW OFFHAND, UM, DO YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU THE, UH, NUMBER OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN WESTCHESTER WHO USE LASERFICHE? BECAUSE I, I KNOW THROUGH THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY, UH, CLARK'S ASSOCIATION, MANY OF THEM USE LASERFICHE.
DO, DO YOU HAVE, UH, ANY MORE? I DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY SEND YOU, BUT BESIDES, UH, STATISTICS, THE NAME OF FEW MA, THE TOWN OF MAAC, THE TOWN OF YORKTOWN, CITY OF MOUNT VERNON, JUST, UH, PURCHASED IT, THE VILLAGE OF SCARSDALE, PORT CHESTER, UM, YONKERS, UM, EASTCHESTER, UM, I'M SURE PORT.
YEAH, IT SAID PORT CHESTER, UH, EASTCHESTER.
NEWER, UPDATED VERSION THEY CHOSE TO UPGRADE TO.
UM, AGAIN, UH, MANY OF THOSE MUNICIPALITIES HAVE, UM, THE NEWER VERSIONS OF THE SOFTWARE, UM, THAT, UH, WAS CHOSEN BY THE TOWN, UM, IS NOT DEPLOYED IN ANY OF THE MUNICIPALITIES AND NOT IN, UM, WESTCHESTER COUNTY.
UM, BUT UPGRADED VERSIONS, OTHER LICENSING VERSIONS, UH, ARE IN THOSE OTHER COMMUNITIES.
DEEPAK, DO YOU WANT TO SHARE WHY YOU ARE RECOMMENDING THE CLOUD VERSION? CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION FIRST? OF COURSE.
SO, I HAVE A LOT OF DOCUMENTS IN THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AND MANY OF THEM NOW CONTRACTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
WE SCAN, AND WE MAY KEEP A HARD COPY AS WELL, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF SCANNING DONE NOW, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE RETRIEVAL ASPECT OF IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE LASER FEES DOING THAT I'M NOT DOING BY SCANNING AND CATEGORIZING THE DOCUMENTS IN MY DEPARTMENT? WHAT'S THE ADVANTAGE? IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT OR BRIAN COULD SPEAK TO THAT.
IT IS, IT, IT, IS IT, IT, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARCHIVING THE RECORDS FOR RETENTION PURPOSES OF NEW YORK STATE, YOU JUST CAN'T SAVE A P D F.
THAT'S NOT AN ARCHIVE RECORD, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT M E ONE SCHEDULE OR, OR THE L G SS ONE SCHEDULE WILL NOW, UH, ACCEPTS AS AN ARCHIVE FORMAT.
WE REALLY NEED TO PUT IT INTO AN ARCHIVE SYSTEM AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
AND YOU GUYS ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF RECORDS IN YOUR ARCHIVING SYSTEM, WHICH CURRENTLY IS LASER LEASH.
UM, SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PUTTING THINGS ON GOOGLE, YOU TALK ABOUT PUTTING THINGS ON YOUR NETWORK DRIVE AS WORD DOCUMENTS AND P D F FILES, THOSE ARE NOT, THOSE ARE NOT ARCHIVED IMAGES AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
THEY'RE NOT UNDER ANY KIND OF RETENTION.
THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY TEXT SEARCHABLE.
THEY'RE NOT EVEN INDEXED IF THEY'RE ON A HARD DRIVE LIKE THAT.
SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING OLDER RECORDS THAT NEED TO HAVE, UH, AN INDEX TO FIND THE RECORD, LIKE A VITAL RECORD, FOR EXAMPLE, LASTING FIRST AND THAT KIND OF STUFF FROM THE 1800 OR THE 17 HUNDREDS, YOU CAN PUT THOSE KINDS OF, THAT KIND OF INFORMATION INTO A LASER FEE SYSTEM.
YOU CAN PUT MODERN RECORDS INTO A
SO PART OF THAT REPORT, IF YOU READ THE REPORT AND ALL WAS THAT YOU HAD RUNNING OUT, YOU WERE RUNNING OUT SPACE, AND YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND YOU CAN PUT A LOT OF THAT INFORMATION FROM THOSE DEPARTMENTS INTO LASER FEE SHIP AT THIS POINT IN TIME, YOUR CONTRACTS, OKAY, YOUR MAPS, UM, ON VITAL RECORDS, MINUTES, AGENDAS, ORDINANCES, ET CETERA, EVERYTHING THAT, THAT MOST OF THE TOWNS AROUND YOU
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ARE PUTTING INTO LASER FEE SHIP THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.UM, I MEAN THAT'S, I I GUESS YOU COULD, I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA ARGUE THE POINT.
IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THEM ON A GOOGLE DRIVE, THAT'S FINE TOO.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S NOT, UH, UM, AN ARCHIVE, UH, IMAGE AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL, UM, ARCHIVE FROM NEW YORK FOR NEW YORK STATE THAT AT LEAST DOES, CAN THE SOFTWARE RECOGNIZE WHEN A SCAN IS, YOU KNOW, THE DOCUMENT'S NOT GOING IN STRAIGHT AND WARN THE PERSON SO THAT IT, UH, BECAUSE IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING BETWEEN MICROFICHE AND LASERFICHE.
IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING TO BE GOING THROUGH ANY OF THESE THINGS AND FIND OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE MISSING THE ENDING BECAUSE THE, THE PAPER WENT IN A LITTLE BIT SLOWER, SO IT GOT A GAP AT THE BEGINNING AND LOST THE BOTTOM.
HOW, HOW DOES IT DETECT THAT? SO THAT, IF THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY A, THAT'S REALLY A FUNCTION OF THE SCANNER.
UM, LASER FEATURE DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SOME OF THAT, UM, AS WELL, THAT DOES HAVE A SCANNING FUNCTIONALITY BUILT INTO IT.
BUT A LOT OF TIMES THAT IS THE ACTUAL FUNCTION OF THE SCANNER ITSELF, UH, WHEN IT CAN DETECT THE END OF THE PAPER, UM, OR IF IT'S CROOKED, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
THERE ARE SOME, SOME TOOLS IN LASER FEES THAT ALLOW FOR DIS SKEWING, UM, THE SPECKLING, UH, CROPPING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
UM, SO THERE ARE THOSE THAT ARE BUILT INTO IT, BUT ALSO THE SCANNER ITSELF CAN, CAN CORRECT A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES WHEN IT'S BEING SCANNED.
SO YOUR SOFTWARE DOESN'T ACTUALLY INTEGRATE WITH THE SCANNER AND YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO USE A STANDALONE SCANNER SOFTWARE THAT WOULD DETECT IT? NO, IT'LL, IT'LL, YOU CAN INTEGRATE WITH THE SCANNER.
SO, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION STANDS IS TO HOW, HOW DOES A PERSON KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT HAS OCCURRED? UH, IS IT EXPECTED THAT WHOEVER'S SCANNING WILL GO THROUGH EACH OF THE SCANNED IMAGES AND CHECK THAT THEY ARE COMPLETE? IS THAT IT CREATES A, IT CREATES A THUMBNAIL OF EACH, UM, IT CREATES A THUMBNAIL OF EACH, SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY LOOK THUMBNAIL.
SO IT'S A MATTER OF PAYING ATTENTION.
IT'S A MATTER OF THEY'RE HAVING SOMEBODY CHECK.
AND, AND DOES THE HAVING IT ON LASER FISH, UH, REMOVE THE OBLIGATION OF KEEPING THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT? IN SOME CASES? THAT IS TRUE.
IT, IT DEPENDS ON, ON WHAT KIND OF RECORDS THEY ARE.
SOME KIND OF, THAT'S REALLY A MORE A QUESTION FOR JUDITH TO ANSWER IN TERMS OF A RECORDS MANAGEMENT.
UM, THE, THE STATE HAS THE L G SS, THOSE, THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE, ARE DICTATED BY THE STATE.
UM, SO THERE, THERE ARE SOME RECORDS THAT BA BASED ON THE BACKUP, THE CAPABILITIES, UM, CAN BE, UM, JUST NO LONGER BE KEPT IN PAPER.
SO THAT REALLY IS MORE A QUESTION OF REFERENCE MANAGEMENT.
SO IF IT HAS A FIVE YEAR RETENTION, THE FACT THAT IT'S SCANNED DOES NOT DECREASE THE FIVE YEAR RETENTION REQUIREMENT FOR THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? NO, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT.
I, I WOULD, IF, IF IT CAN BE KEPT ELECTRONICALLY AND NOT ON PAPER, THAT THAT WOULD STILL WORK.
UM, IT'S JUST THAT I WOULD DEFER TO, TO JUDITH, UM, AS THE RECORDS MANAGER AND, UH, THE STATE TO, TO MA TO MAKE THAT MANDATE.
PART OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE PROVIDING IS THAT ACCESS TO THAT, UM, L G S SCHEDULE SO THAT THE DOCUMENTS CAN BE KEPT ACCORDING TO THE RETENTION SCHEDULE.
RIGHT? I MEAN, THE BIGGEST, UH, ADVANTAGE OF THE EXPANSION OF THE SYSTEM IS THE DOCUMENTS ARE GONNA BE MADE.
UH, THE, IF YOU CAN THINK OF LASER FEES AS A BIG BUCKET WHERE EVERYTHING LIVES, ALL THOSE RECORDS, AGAIN, WITH SECURITY WILL BE AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY IN TOWN HALL AND ELSEWHERE.
AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO MAKE THEM AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC IF YOU SO DESIRE.
UM, SO THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT SOFTWARE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS ARCHAIC, BEYOND ARCHAIC, YOU KNOW, SO THIS IS A MASSIVE UPGRADE.
THIS IS NOT LIKE WE'RE INCREASING ONE OR TWO VERSIONS.
UH, YOU HAVE TO REALLY KIND OF GO INTO EACH YEAR AND SEARCH EACH YEAR.
UH, I ASSUME THAT THAT'S NO LONGER THE CASE.
UH, I'M, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION, BUT, BUT THE, I I DON'T WANT TO, YEAH, I DON'T WANNA SUGGEST THAT THE SOFTWARE, WHAT YOU'VE DONE AND WHAT YOU OWN DOESN'T FUNCTION WELL AS A, A RETRIEVAL SYSTEM.
UM, LASER FEE IS STILL A FABULOUS SEARCH AND RETRIEVAL TOOL.
UM, IT JUST HAS A LOT MORE FUNCTIONALITY NOW THAT IT DID NOT HAVE, UH, DOES NOT HAVE THE VERSION IN, IN THE AVERSION THAT YOU HAVE.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE CURRENT VERSION THAT WE HAVE, WHICH I USE, IT
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SEEMS LIKE I HAVE TO, UH, GO THROUGH YEARS AND THEN IT'LL SEARCH EACH OF THOSE YEARS.AND THEN IF I THEN HAVE TO APPLY THE SEARCH TO THE NEXT YEAR AND IT'LL GO THROUGH ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS, IT DOES A GREAT JOB OF PULLING THEM OUT.
BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO, UH, HAVE IT, HAVE IT DO MORE, MORE THAN ONE YEAR.
A HIGHER LEVEL SEARCH THAT WOULD ENABLE YOU TO ZERO IN WITHOUT GOING INTO EACH INDIVIDUAL YEAR.
YOU JUST, YEAH, YOU CAN DO THAT NOW.
YOU CAN DO THAT, YOU CAN DO THAT EVEN NOW, COUNCILMAN.
SO THAT THAT'S, UM, LASER FEES WILL SEARCH ACROSS THE ENTIRE REPOSITORY, OR YOU CAN NARROW SEARCHES DOWN TO, UM, INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT OR EVEN WITHIN A YEAR.
UM, SO THAT THOSE, THAT FUNCTIONALITY IS THERE FOR THINGS LIKE VITAL RECORDS, BUILDING RECORDS ASSESSMENT, ASSESSORS RECORDS, D P W, THOSE ARE TYPICALLY MORE DONE BY AN INDEX FIELD OR TEMPLATE OR AN INDEX CARD.
YOU, YOU PROBABLY HAVE THE, WITHIN A FOLDERS, UH, UM, FILTER ON TO, TO DISABLE THAT FILTER.
IT WILL SURFACE THE ENTIRE REPOSITORY.
I, I GET, I GUESS WE SHOULD SPEAK TO STAFF AND SEE HOW THEY LIKE IT.
YEAH, I THINK RIGHT NOW IN BUILDING DEPARTMENT, ALRIGHT.
AND THE REASON I RECOMMENDED LIKE CLOUD, BECAUSE, UM, RIGHT NOW WE ARE HOSTING IN-HOUSE AND WE HAVE TO KEEP UPGRADING THE SERVERS AND THE STORAGE ALSO.
NOW WE ARE GONNA HAVE MORE DEPARTMENT GONNA NEED MORE STORAGE.
SO THEY DO THE BACKUPS AND WE KNOW HOW TO KEEP BUYING THE NEW STORAGE EVERY TIME, YOU KNOW.
SO DEEPAK, WHAT IS THE SECURITY ON THAT, THE CYBER TO, TO FEND OFF ANY CYBER, UM, ATTACK? OR DO WE HAVE TO WELL, I SPOKE TO THEM BRIEFLY AND THEY HAVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, UH, ALL THIS LIKE CYBERSECURITY THING.
THEY HAVE ALL THIS PRECAUTION TO TAKEN OVER THERE.
AND THEN THE BACKUP ALSO, THEY DO LIKE, LIKE ONE EAST SIDE AND ONE WEST SIDE, LIKE TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
THEY DO THE BACKUPS AND EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, FOR THE DATA BACKUP AND EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S DUPLICATE, THERE'S SPLITTING IT UP.
SO THEY CAN'T ACCESS ALL THE DATA.
IT'S LIKE ONE DATA CENTER GOES DOWN, LIKE THEY, THE BACKUP SOMEWHERE ELSE AND EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, SO MM-HMM.
AND SO IT IS D O D COMPLIANCE OR DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE COMPLIANCE.
SO IT HAS A, A NUMBER OF SECURITY COMPLIANCES.
IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, I CAN SEND YOU THE WEBSITE THAT GIVES YOU ALL THE DIFFERENT COMPLIANCES AND SECURITY THAT, THAT
UM, AND SO, AS D FACT, IT SAYS IT IS BACKED UP IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS IN CASE OF ASSISTANT FAILURE.
WELL, BEFORE WE, UM, CLOSE DOWN THIS DISCUSSION, UM, UH, ARE THERE ANY, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS? BECAUSE WE WANT, WE NEED THE SOFTWARE AND SO TO JUST SAY THANK YOU WITHOUT ANY KIND OF, UH, PLAN FOR MOVING FORWARD, UH, UH, UH, UH, IT JUST LEAVES EVERYTHING SORT OF, UM, UH, SUSPENDED IN THIN AIR.
SO WHAT, WHAT WILL BE THE NEXT STEPS AND, AND WILL, IS THERE A NEED FOR FURTHER, UM, UH, QUESTIONING OR, OR, OR FURTHER CLARIFICATION? UM, FROM OUR REPRESENTATIVES FROM LASERFICHE.
LASERFICHE IS CONNECTED TO THE, THE, UM, THE CODE AS WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NEW YORK STATE SOFTWARE.
THIS IS NOT JUST SOME, YOU KNOW, UNFAMILIAR SOFTWARE.
AND, UM, IF WE DON'T DO THIS, THEN IT'S IF IMPACTING MICROPHONE ABILITY TO, WELL, WELL, IT'S IMPACTING THE ABILITY TO UPGRADE THE SCANNING AND STORAGE OF, OF, OF RECORDS, WHICH IS YOUR JOB.
SO BASICALLY WE HAVE TO HAVE LIKE A DATE CERTAIN WHEN WE'RE GONNA MAKE A DECISION ON THIS.
WELL, THOSE ARE ALL LEADING QUESTIONS, PAUL, BUT NO, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A LEADING QUESTION.
ALL I SAID BEFORE ALL I SAID, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE FINISH.
LEMME JUST FINISH A FACTUAL, LEMME JUST FINISH, LEMME JUST FINISH THIS FACTUAL.
ALL I ASKED WAS, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A BIG ASK, IS LET'S ASK STAFF WHAT THEY THINK OF IT BEFORE.
YES, WE HAVE USED LASERFICHE, WE USE MICROFICHE, WE'VE USED A LOT OF THINGS BEFORE.
THERE WAS A DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY.
NOW IT MAY BE SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN LEGACY STORAGE.
WE WANT TO CONTINUE LEGACY TYPE STORAGE GOING FORWARD, THAT'S FINE.
BUT IT'S THE, IT'S NOT THE CLERK'S OFFICE WHO'S GONNA SCAN ALL THESE DOCUMENTS.
IT'S THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS WITH THEIR DOCUMENTS.
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HAVE THEIR BUY-IN AND TALK TO THEM AND SEE WHAT THEY THINK AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS WORKABLE WITH THEIR STAFF AND HAVING TO CHECK AND THINGS LIKE THAT.SO LET'S BE MORE SPECIFIC WITH RESPECT TO STAFF.
THE, THE DEPARTMENT HEADS WHO HAVE BOUGHT INTO THIS ARE, UM, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THE, UM, UH, DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND CONSERVATION, AND THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS AS WELL AS THE TOWN CLERK.
SO THOSE ARE THE SPECIFIC DEPARTMENTS THAT WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT.
UM, SO IN TERMS OF NEXT STEPS, UM, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WITHIN A WEEK, UM, YOU BRING TOGETHER THOSE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO ASK THEM WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE ON THIS SOFTWARE, AND THEN THE FOLLOWING WEEK WE CAN MAKE A DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, UH, UH, OBTAINING, ACQUIRING THE SOFTWARE? ARE, ARE THOSE REASONABLE NEXT STEPS? I THINK THAT'S VERY REASONABLE.
THAT'S NOT BECAUSE I THINK SHE WAS ASKING IT.
I WASN'T ASKING YOU IN PARTICULAR.
I DO, I'M PUTTING THE, I DO THINK IT'S REASONABLE PUTTING ON THE TABLE, BUT I WOULDN'T LIMIT IT TO SOLELY THE DEPARTMENTS WHO HAVE CURRENTLY BOUGHT IN.
BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO USE THIS, WE'RE GOING TO BE USING THIS FOR ALL THE DEPARTMENTS.
THERE MAY BE SOME WHO BOUGHT IN EARLY, BUT LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THOSE DEPARTMENT HEADS WHO THINK THAT THIS IS A GREAT IDEA, TALK TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS WHO ARE NOT THINKING OF USING IT YET, BUT MAY HAVE TO ONCE WE SWITCH OVER TO THIS SYSTEM SO THAT WE ACTUALLY COMMUNICATE WITH OUR STAFF AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK.
BUT I, I THINK THAT'S COUNTERPRODUCTIVE ONLY BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS, UM, UH, EFFORT FOR APPROXIMATELY EIGHT MONTHS.
I PUT OUT, I PUT OUT AN EMAIL TO ALL DEPARTMENT HEADS, UM, INFORMING THEM OF, OF THIS PROGRAM AND ASKING WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN MOVING FORWARD WITH MEETINGS AND, AND, AND ASSESSMENTS AROUND, UM, THIS SOFTWARE, THE ONLY DEPARTMENT HEADS WHO INDICATED AND INTERESTS WERE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, CONSERVATION, AND DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS.
THEY HAVE ATTENDED SEVERAL ZOOM MEETINGS WITH BRUCE AND HIS STAFF.
THEN THE TOWN BOARD APPROVED $6,500 FOR AN ASSESSMENT TO BE DONE BASED ON THOSE PARTICULAR DEPARTMENTS.
AND THE ASSESSMENT WAS CONDUCTED, AND NOW WE HAVE MOVED TO A NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS TO GO BACKWARDS IS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.
WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH RESPECT TO EFFICIENCY AND EFFECTIVENESS IN THIS PROCESS.
WELL, I THINK, SO WHY DON'T WE SAY, UM, WE HAVE A COPY OF THIS, UM, UH, MEETING.
WHY DON'T WE, UH, SEND A COPY TO ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, TELL 'EM THAT WE WANT A RESPONSE BY NEXT WEEK.
UM, IF, YOU KNOW, IF, UH, WE DON'T GET A, UH, A RESPONSE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'LL ASSUME THAT THERE'S NO OBJECTIONS AND THEN WE COULD, UH, PUT IT ON, UH, FOR A VOTE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, AT THE, THE FOLLOWING MEETING.
I GUESS THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE, LET'S SAY WE WANT TO HAVE A VOTE ON THIS BY, UH, THE FIRST MEETING IN JUNE, WHICH IS, UM, SO THAT, THAT WOULD GIVE EVERYBODY TIME.
AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE BOARD SHOULD, UM, IN MY OPINION IS, YOU KNOW, I FEEL YOU'RE THE INDIVIDUAL.
YOUR OFFICE IS CHARGED WITH KEEPING THE RECORDS.
UM, AND I SORT OF FEEL THAT WE SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH YOU AND GIVING YOU THE TOOLS THAT YOU NEED SO YOU CAN DO YOUR JOB.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS I'M NOT CRITICIZING YOU.
SHE'S NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS TO DO THE WORK.
IT'S OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE TO DO THE WORK.
I JUST THINK IT'S BETTER WHEN WE SPEAK TO OUR STAFF AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK AS A TOWN BOARD.
ACTUALLY, I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA SEE A DEMONSTRATION TODAY.
I DON'T, I DON'T, UH, SO OURSELVES TO SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW GREAT THIS IS.
BUT BRUCE DID A DEMONSTRATION TO THIS BOARD.
BUT, BUT A, A DEMONSTRATION WAS DONE, UH, UH, UH, UH, TO THIS BOARD SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I I, I DON'T BUT
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BE AS IT MAY, I CAN'T BELIEVE THERE'S BEING THE RESISTANCE TO A BOARD MEMBER SAYING, I THINK WE SHOULD TALK TO OUR STAFF.AND I THINK THAT WE DON'T DO ENOUGH TALKING TO OUR STAFF, WHICH IS PART OF SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IN TOWN HALL.
WELL, THAT'S, I, THAT'S, I WANT TO TALK TO.
THAT'S NOT OUR RELATED TO I TO TALK.
I MEAN, NOT, NOT HAVING, NOT NOT DOING ENOUGH TALKING TO YOUR STAFF.
WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA SEND IT, WE'RE GONNA SEND LOT TALKING'S.
NOT, IT'S NOT NOW, IT'S BEING USED AS A REASON TO THROW OUT AN OBSTACLE HERE IN THIS PROCESS.
FRANCIS, YOU ARE, MAYBE YOU THINK THAT MAYBE YOU, YOU FEEL THAT YOU HAVEN'T DONE ENOUGH TALKING TO YOUR STAFF.
WELL, MAYBE THAT'S TRUE, BUT THAT'S NO REASON GO THERE.
WE EX WE EXTENDED THIS INVITATION SEVEN OR EIGHT MONTHS AGO TO EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD.
AND THEN WE, YOU KNOW, HAD HELD SEVERAL MEETINGS, SEVERAL ZOOM MEETINGS, INVITING THEM.
AND THE ONLY DEPARTMENT HEADS WHO INDICATED IN INTEREST WERE RICH, FAWN, GARRETT DUQUE, BOB DAM, AND THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND DEEPAK.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT FAIR TO DELAY THIS PROCESS BY SAYING, UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO TALK TO OUR STAFF.
YOU KNOW WHAT, SO LEMME UNDERSTAND.
LEMME JUST SAY SOMETHING ALL DEPART.
DEPARTMENT, ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, WE MEET JUNE AS YOUR OFFICE.
WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THEIR DOCUMENT.
WHY DON'T WE JUST AGREE THAT WE'RE VOTING ON IN JUNE.
IT GIVES EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO TALK AS MUCH AS THEY WANT TO ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS.
THEY COULD WATCH THE VIDEO IF THEY WANT, UM, ANOTHER PRESENTATION.
THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE COULD COORDINATE THAT.
THERE'S NO CONTROVERSY BECAUSE WE ARE ALL AGREEING THAT WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD AND GIVE JUDITH THE TOOLS SO SHE COULD DO THE JOB.
AND WE'LL FIGURE, SO WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE A VOTE AT THE BEGINNING OF JUNE.
IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO DECIDE TO TALK TO THE STAFF, SET UP STRUCTURES, RIGHT.
AND PROCEDURES THAT WILL ALLOW YOU TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE STAFF.
BUT LET'S NOT USE THAT AS AN EXCUSE.
BUT TO THWART THIS EFFORT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A FIGHT BECAUSE EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY'S IN.
I'M JUST, EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO, SHOULDN'T USE THAT TO, UH, A A THWART THIS EFFORT.
OKAY? CAN YOU IMAGINE A MEMBER SAYING, I WANT TO TALK TO THE STAFF AND GETTING, GETTING OBJECTION TO THAT.
I JUST, IT'S INCONCEIVABLE TO ME THAT YOU WOULD OBJECT NO TO MY WANTING TO TALK TO STAFF ON THIS.
LAYING OUT, OUT THE FACT THAT STAFF WITH STAFF EVERY WEEK, EVERY DEPARTMENT HAD HAD WEEK INVITED, EVERY DON'T DEPARTMENT REASON WHY, TO BE PART OF THIS PROCESS, TO TAKE ON A RESPONSIBILITY THAT YOU'RE NOT OFF YOUR OFFICE IS NOT GONNA BE SCANNING ALL THESE DOCUMENTS.
THEIR DEPARTMENTS ARE GONNA BE SCANNING IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA BE DOING PARTS AND REC.
I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GONNA BE DOING T D Y C C FRANCIS OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS NEED DISCUSSED THAT.
OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, THE ONLY DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN USING LASER FEE AS, AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED WAS THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
NO ONE ELSE, NO OTHER DEPARTMENT HEAD HAS INDICATED AN INTEREST.
THEY, DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY WERE INVITED TO BE PART OF THIS DISCUSSION.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION? SO I JUST WANNA FINISH MY POINT.
SO, SO TO, TO BRING UP, UM, WE NEED TO TALK WITH OUR STAFF.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, AN EFFORT TO, TO THWART THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
NO, BECAUSE THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY.
FOR EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION? DOES IT MAKE SENSE THAT, WILL IT MAKE IT A BETTER TOOL IF MORE DEPARTMENTS USED IT? I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD MAKE IT A BETTER TOOL IF MORE DEPARTMENTS USED IT.
MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE CAN ANSWER.
BUT, BUT YOU, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS PURE SPECULATION, ELLEN.
NO, NO, I'M, I'M, I'M I'M SAYING PART, I'M NOT, I'M NOT ARGUING WITH YOU.
NO OTHER DEPARTMENT INDICATED AN INTEREST.
THE, THE, I HEARD IT THIS SEVERAL TIMES YOU SAID IT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THAT HAPPENS THAT PEOPLE ARE BUSY, THEY DON'T EXPECT, BUT, BUT MAYBE IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE TOWN BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN INITIAL COST OF $52,000 AND A YEARLY COST OF $32,400.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL TAX TO AIR MONEY.
THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT.
AND IF IT'S A TOOL THAT IT CAN BE EVEN MORE BENEFICIAL IF USED BY OTHER DEPARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT A TWO WEEK TIMEFRAME, SUCH AS PAUL RECOMMENDED MM-HMM.
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OPTION, ANOTHER, ANOTHER, UM, STAB AT, AT COMING ON BOARD AND MAKING IT EVEN MORE USEFUL AND MORE COST EFFECTIVE FOR US.SO THAT, I THINK, THINK, WHAT DO YOU THINK? I, I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AS LONG AS WE AGREE TO NEXT STEPS.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING I, I HAVE JUST SEEN TOO MANY THINGS FLOAT UP INTO THE STRATOSPHERE AND NOT GET, UM, UH, BRING, HAVE ANY KIND OF, UM, UH, RESULTS BECAUSE THERE'S NO, UH, UH, DEF DEFINED NEXT STEPS.
SO AS LONG AS WE CAN AGREE ON NEXT STEPS, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
AND JUST PLEASE UNDERSTAND AND KEEP IN MIND, MAYBE YOU WERE NOT YET A COUNCILWOMAN CORRECT.
WHEN THIS WHOLE PROCESS BEGAN.
AND I CAN FIND IN MY EMAIL, THE INVITATION THAT WAS SENT OUT TO EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD ASKING THEM TO COME TO THIS MEETING TO MEET WITH BRUCE CADMAN AND TO DISCUSS LASERFICHE.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTOOD, UNDERSTOOD.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AS WELL.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, THAT THIS, UM, PROPOSAL, UH, IS, IS NOT GOING TO BECOME AN OBSTACLE TO MOVING FORWARD.
UH, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE.
AND I THINK THAT, THAT, I HEAR YOUR COMMITMENT.
I JUST, AND WHAT THIS TOWN BOARD HAS TO DECIDE, 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF STORAGE SYSTEMS, IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS BECOMES THE SYSTEM THAT'S USED BY ALL DEPARTMENTS RATHER THAN JUST THOSE THAT SAY, HEY, I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO USE THIS.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT GOOD GOVERNMENT.
WE NEED, WE NEED TO HAVE A STANDARD THAT GOES ACROSS ALL DEPARTMENTS AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO EXPLORE.
WELL, I, I AGREE WITH YOU, FRANCIS, THAT GOOD GOVERNMENT IS MORE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE.
HOWEVER, THIS COMMENT THAT YOU'RE MAKING NOW ABOUT, UH, INCLUSION, INCLUDING ALL STAFF SHOULD HAVE COME OUT SEVEN MONTHS AGO WHEN THIS IDEA WAS FIRST PRESENTED.
WHEN BRUCE CADMAN WAS INVITED BY MYSELF TO DO A PRESENTATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? BE THAT AS IT MAY, IT WASN'T BROUGHT OUT SEVEN MONTHS AGO NOW.
IT WAS BROUGHT OUT THE IMPORTANT THING IS TO MOVE TO THE NEXT STEP.
I THINK WE'RE ALL ON BOARD WITH THAT.
SO WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP?
I THINK WE'RE GONNA SURVEY, WE'RE GONNA SURVEY EVERYBODY AND WE'RE GONNA GIVE TO ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TELLING THEM TO LOOK AT, UH, THE LASER FISH, UH, OPTION.
AND IF THEY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS OR IF THEY HAVE ANYTHING BETTER THAT THEY'D LIKE, THEY SHOULD BRING IT TO OUR ATTENTION.
CAN I SUGGEST THAT? AND WE'RE GONNA TRY HAVING A VOTE, UH, ON AT THE FIRST MEETING IN JUNE.
CAN I SUGGEST THAT YOU MANDATE RATHER THAN JUST ASK SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE EVERYONE BEING THANK YOU, ELLEN.
THE JUNE 8TH IS THE, IS THE DATE THAT WE'LL KNOW BRUCE? NO, NO.
SO WE, WE ACCOMPLISHED A LOT TONIGHT.
UM, NO, YOU STILL HAVE LEAF FLOWERS? WELL, SO BRUCE, OH YEAH.
SO, SO THE, THE, THE, SO THAT EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT DID NOT RESPOND INITIALLY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER LASERFICHE IN THEIR DEPARTMENT.
WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST AS, UH, A STRATEGIC, UM, ACTION TO TAKE? DO YOU, SHOULD WE SET UP ANOTHER ZOOM MEETING, OR DO YOU WANNA JUST SEND THEM, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU AND DEEPAK THINK WOULD BE THE MOST, UH, UH, EFFECTIVE STRATEGY HERE NOW TO GET EVERYBODY TO REVIEW? I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE ONE OF THE ZOOM MEETING WITH THEM ON THE LINE, AND SO THE OTHER DEPARTMENT HEAD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THEY CAN ASK ABOUT THE SOFTWARE AND THEN MAYBE DEMO, LOOK AT THE DEMO, DON THE OTHER DEPARTMENT WHO NEVER SAW, SEE THE DEMO IN.
OKAY, SO MAKE MANDA, SO MAKE IT MANDATORY FOR ALL DEPARTMENT HEADS.
MAKE IT MANDATORY FOR ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO SIT THROUGH THE DEMONSTRATION SO THEY CAN UNDERSTAND AND SEE IT, OR THEIR DESIGNATE IT'S FINE.
SO I, I INDIVIDUALLY THEN WOULD WANT TO TALK TO THE, THE, UH, THE DEPARTMENTS WHO HAVE FOUND IT TO BE, UM, WORTHWHILE.
AND IF THEY HAVEN'T, THEN THERE'S NO SENSE IN US MANDATING THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
BUT IF THE DEPARTMENTS AND A DISCUSSION, WHICH I BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE AT THE NEXT WORK SESSION WITH THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE USED IT, GET THEIR FEEDBACK, AND THEN WE FROM THAT COLLECTIVELY
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CAN DECIDE, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ACTUALLY MANDATE AS BEING A TOWN WIDE STORAGE SYSTEM AND CALL IN THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND HAVE THEM, YOU KNOW, LEARN ABOUT IT AND 'CAUSE OTHER, OTHERWISE, IF YOU JUST WAIT FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN AND, AND DECIDE, WELL, MAYBE I'LL USE IT.MAYBE I WON'T, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF LONG-TERM STORAGE.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE ONE TYPE.
AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THOSE WHO HAVE ALREADY TRIED IT DURING THIS TRIAL PERIOD.
REMEMBER, ALL THESE THINGS GET TRIED OUT, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS $6,500 AND A LOT OF THESE START OFF WITH, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S COVERED BY GRANT MONEY OR WHATEVER.
UH, AND THEN YOU GET HIT WITH THE BILL, RIGHT? SO HERE'S 52,000, 32,000.
UH, IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S A DUE DILIGENCE THAT'S INVOLVED IN HERE.
SO IF, IF THE OTHERS JUST WANT TO HAVE EVERYBODY TO GET TOGETHER ON A ZOOM, THAT'S FINE.
BUT I, I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE THOSE THAT HAVE ACTUALLY USED IT AND FIND IT TO BE USEFUL, UH, TO TALK TO THE TOWN BOARD ABOUT IT SO THAT WE COULD FIRST MAKE A DECISION THAT THIS SHOULD BE SOMETHING TOWN-WIDE AND NOT SO MUCH AND NOT OPTIONAL.
I'M SURE IT WOULD MAKE YOUR JOB EASIER TO HAVE EVERYTHING MORE UNIFORM IF THAT'S AT ALL.
LIKE ONE, LIKE WE FRANCIS SAYING LIKE ONE PLATFORM, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE EASIER.
SO RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND TOWN CLERK USING IT, BOTH OF THE BOTH DEPARTMENT ARE USING THE SOFTWARE.
SO WHAT IS EVERYBODY ELSE USING? WELL, SO SOME OF THEM WE HAVE LIKE MUNI SOFTWARE HAVE THEIR OWN DOCUMENT IMAGING SYSTEM AND EVERYTHING.
SO THAT'S LIKE IN A, LIKE ALL THE INVOICES AND PURCHASE ORDER GOES THROUGH THAT RIGHT NOW.
SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE WHY IS THAT HAPPENING THAT CAME WITH THE UNI ALREADY.
SO IS THAT GONNA BE AN INTERFACE? I I'M SURE THAT UNI IS NOT GOING TO BE, UM, UH, DISCARDED.
SO BECAUSE ONCE WE HAVE ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT DATA THAT WE NEED, WE, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF INTERFACE, RIGHT? IF WE'RE GONNA BE STORE, OH, MAYBE THEY CAN JUST LIKE DUMP IT TO THE OTHER, THE SYSTEM.
THIS IS NOT THE SAME TYPE OF PROGRAM AS MUNIS.
UH, NO, I JUST WANT OTHERS WHO DON'T KNOW THAT TO KNOW.
I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS THIS IS, THIS IS, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE SAME TYPE OF PROGRAM AS MUNI AND SO THEREFORE IT CANNOT BE COMPARED TO MUNIS AS A, UH, UH, A LONG-TERM STORAGE PROGRAM BECAUSE IT NO, DON'T, WHAT YOU SAID IS THAT INTERACTIVE WAS WITH YOU.
I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS A STORAGE.
JUST SAY, DOES IT INTERFACING WHAT YOU WOULD MEAN THIS WOULD EXCUSE FRANCIS SAID THAT HE DID NOT THINK IT MADE SENSE TO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF LONG-TERM STORAGE SOFTWARE AND THEN MUNIS CAME UP AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT UNI IS, THIS IS NOT THE SAME THING AS MUNIS.
SO, UM, ALRIGHT, SO THE NEXT STEPS WILL BE JUST TO CLARIFY NEXT STEPS THAT, UH, WE WILL ASK, UM, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
I, I, I'M, I'M NOT SO SURE IF IT SHOULD BE BOB DAM OR, OR LIZ GARRITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHO WE NEED TO JUST CHECK TO SEE WHO'S BEEN REALLY USING LIZ I THINK IS, LIZ IS MORE FAMILIAR, THE MAIN ONE.
OKAY, SO LIZ, WE CAN SORT THAT OFF.
WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW.
AND, UH, PRETTY MUCH TO, TO BRING HER HERE.
TALK ABOUT, TO BRING HER HERE AND TO TALK ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF THE PROGRAM.
I CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT THE BENEFITS OF THE PROGRAM.
AND, UM, RICH FAWN HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THE PROGRAM IN A PREVIOUS MUNICIPALITY.
HE'S VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF LASER FISH.
UM, IS GARRETT USING IT RIGHT NOW? NO, HE'S NOT, BUT HE'S VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF IT AS HE SEES THE BENEFITS OF, OF, OF THE SOFTWARE.
HE WAS ONE OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND INCLUDING RICH V WHO CAME FORWARD SEVEN MONTHS AGO AND SAID, YES, I VERY MUCH WANT TO INCORPORATE THIS SOFTWARE INTO MY DEPARTMENT.
BUT THERE WAS NO TESTERS, THERE WAS NO TESTERS PLACED IN THEIR DEPARTMENT JUST TO SEE HOW THEY, HOW THEY WOULD WORK IN THEIR DEPARTMENTS.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN TESTERS? SO THERE WAS NO ONE OUTSIDE OF YOUR DEPARTMENT AND WHAT'S THE OTHER DEPARTMENT WAS MENTIONED THAT WAS ALSO USING IT NOW D D W BUILDING DEPARTMENT USING IT ALREADY BUILDING.
SO THERE'S ONLY A CERTAIN, BUT THEY'VE BEEN USING IT FROM A PRIOR OH, NOT THE, SO, NOT THE, SO NOT THIS, NOT THIS TEMPORARY, THE CLOUD I DON'T THINKS THEY'RE DOING NOW, BUT THEY'VE BEEN USING IT FOR A WHILE.
I DON'T WANNA BELABOR THIS, BUT I THINK, I THINK WE'RE GOOD.
BRUCE, YOU'RE MERCIFULLY THANK YOU BRUCE FOR BRUCE.
AND, UM, IT'S A REALLY GOOD, IT'S A REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION, DON'T YOU'RE HAVING, AND, UH, WE, WE LOOK FORWARD TO ANSWERING QUESTIONS, DOING A DEMO IF YOU'D LIKE.
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PROVIDING MORE REFERENCES TO COMMUNITIES IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE USING IT AND HAVE BEEN, UH, JUST REMEMBER IT'S A SCALABLE AND A MODULAR SOFTWARE CAN, UH, FUTURE USE, UH, USERS CAN BE ADDED, UM, IN TIME AS ENTHUSIASM GROWS.UM, SO, UH, IT, IT IS, UH, TO THE COUNCIL WOMAN'S, UH, POINT THAT IT CAN BE USED AS AN INTEGRATIVE.
MIDDLEWARE INTEGRATIONS CAN BE BUILT.
UM, AND HAVE BEEN BUILT IN, IN MANY COMMUNITIES.
SO, UM, CERTAINLY, UM, EXPANDING THE SYSTEM, UM, CAN BE DONE, UH, OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.
UM, AND SO I, I WANT YOU TO REALIZE THAT IT, UM, IT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE USED ENTERPRISE WIDE AND, UM, HOW QUICKLY IT HAPPENS IS, UM, IS, IS REALLY UP TO YOU, UP TO THE TOWN, UH, AND THE TOWN BOARD AND THE DEPARTMENT HEADS.
BUT WE, WE, WE, UM, WE WELCOME THE DISCUSSION AND, UH, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO, TO HELP WITH THIS, UH, EVALUATION PROCESS, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO SO.
BRUCE, BRUCE, WE KNOW THAT THIS PROGRAM COULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO, TO THE TOWN EVERY DEPARTMENT, UH, THAT OPTS TO ADOPT IT.
UH, I APOLOGIZE TO YOU FOR THIS PROCESS, UM, BEING UNNECESSARILY AND RIDICULOUSLY DRAGGED OUT TO THE, UH, POINT THAT IT'S BEING DRAGGED OUT, BUT WE LOOK FORWARD, FORWARD, FORWARD TO ABSURD IT.
UM, WE, WE LOOK FORWARD TO, UM, CONTINU CONTINUING ABSOLUTELY ABSURD STATEMENT TO, TO WORK WITH YOU.
UH, AND FRANCIS JUST SPOKE THE TRUTH ABSOLUTELY ABSURD.
UM, I JUST HAVE A COPY FOR EVERYBODY.
I JUST WANNA PASS ON, IS THAT DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE THAT WAS NO, IT'S NOT, IT SHOULD SAY 5 4 22 ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT.
BUT JUST FOR PURPOSES, I, YEAH, THE ONLY THOUGHT THAT I HAD, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN GETTING LIKE A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF NEGATIVES, YOU KNOW, SOME POSITIVES.
UM, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M SORT OF WONDERING JUST TO GET SOMETHING GOING BECAUSE BASICALLY WHATEVER WE DO, MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DISLIKE.
UM, I'M SORT OF WONDERING IF IT WOULD'VE MADE SENSE TO DO SORT OF LIKE, INSTEAD OF THREE DAYS OF NO LEAF FLOWING, YOU KNOW, SINCE MOST PEOPLE WHO WANTED A LEAFBLOWER LAW WANTED US TO DO WHAT SCARSDALE DID, WHICH WOULD BE ALLOW ONLY ELECTRIC UNIT BLOWERS, BUT THE C A C FEELS VERY STRONGLY THAT THIS IS A HEALTH ISSUE, NOT ONLY AN NOISE ISSUE.
UM, SO THEY FEEL, THEY SAID THAT THEY'RE GONNA OBJECT TO ANYTHING, UM, THAT DOESN'T, THAT BASICALLY ALLOWS ANY LEAF BLOWERS, YOU KNOW, OF ITS KIND.
SO I WAS SORT OF THINKING INSTEAD OF, NOW A LOT OF THE LANDSCAPERS AND RESIDENTS ARE SAYING THREE DAYS IS TOO MUCH OF NO LEAF FLOWING.
SO I, SO I SPOKE TO LIKE SOME PEOPLE, AND THEY, I SAID, WHY WOULD HAPPEN IF WE TRIED IT FOR ONE YEAR WITH TWO YEAR, LIKE SAY A TWO DAY, YOU KNOW, BAN AND MAYBE ON A WEEKEND, UH, HAVE, YOU KNOW, TIMES DURING THE DAY THAT EVERYBODY COULD USE IT.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE SAY, I'M JUST THROWING OUT, THIS IS A CONCEPT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING I'M RIGHT OR WRONG.
MAYBE BECAUSE I, I THOUGHT OF THIS LIKE IN THE SHOWER,
OR YOU PICK FOUR HOURS ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY THAT YOU WOULD PREFER ALLOWING IT.
I WOULD THINK THAT THERE'D BE LESS CONTROVERSY.
NOBODY COULD SAY THAT WE'RE MAKING IT LIFE DIFFICULT FOR THEM.
WE COULD EDU SPEND THE YEAR EDUCATING, UH, PEOPLE, AND THEN NEXT YEAR WE COULD EITHER RENEW IT OR WE COULD COME UP WITH SOMETHING STRONGER.
SO YOUR PROPOSAL IS TO CHANGE FROM TWO TUESDAYS AND THURSDAYS, NINE TO FIVE TO WHAT? NO, I'M ORIGINALLY, THIS PROPOSAL WAS GINNING THREE DAY HAVING THREE DAYS OF NO LEAF BLOWING OF ANY KIND.
SO THERE'D BE A THREE DAY HOLIDAY.
AND NOW I'M SAYING BECAUSE OF THE OPPOSITION THAT WE'RE GETTING, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT SORT OF A, MAYBE A TWO DAY HOLIDAY OR SOMETHING, AND THEN MAYBE A SUGGESTION IF YOU WERE TO DO THAT.
IT SEEMS TO ME ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS PEOPLE HAVE IS THE TIME IN THE MORNING WHEN A LEAF BLOWER COMES ON.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY I'M WORKING FROM HOME AND I HAVE A 10 O'CLOCK MEETING, IT'S NOISY, RIGHT? AND, AND SOME PEOPLE THEY CAN'T, YOU KNOW, SHIELD THEMSELVES FROM THAT NOISE.
SO CAN YOU, CAN YOU CONDENSE THE TIME TO, LET'S SAY 11 AS OPPOSED TO NINE, AND AT LEAST YOU GET, UH, UP TO SLEEP LONGER WHERE YOU MIGHT, YOU COULD SAY, UH, LEAF BLOWING WOULD BE ALLOWED SAY ONE O'CLOCK, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE THAT, THAT MIGHT BE A EASIER MAYBE
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EVERY DAY, ONE O'CLOCK OR TWO O'CLOCK YOU COULD, AND THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT A, THAT MIGHT BE ACTUALLY THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING, ONE OF THE ISSUES, OF COURSE IS THE DECIBEL LEVEL.SO NOW YOU'RE CONSOLIDATING WHEN EVERYBODY CAN USE TO A VERY LIMITED TIME PERIOD.
SO NOW THE DECIBEL, THE CUMULATIVE DECIBEL LEVEL WILL INCREASE, WILL IT NOT? IF YOU HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE ON THE SAME BLOCK FROM ONE TO TWO USING THEIR LEAF BLOWERS, IT'S YES, BUT I'D RATHER HEAR THAT AT 11 O'CLOCK THAN NINE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
BUT I, I WAS KIND OF RESPONDING TO PAUL'S REDUCING THE NUMBER OF HOURS AND POSING THAT.
NOT SO MUCH THE UH, BUT NOT SO MUCH MAKING IT LATER.
BUT IF WE MADE IT LATE, IF WE, FOR ONE YEAR, IF WE BASICALLY SAID EVERY MORNING IS NO LEAF FLOWING ANY MORNING, THEN IT'S EASY TO ENFOR, YOU KNOW, YOUR IDEA, EASY TO ENFORCE.
NOBODY COULD SAY THAT THEY'RE BEING, YOU KNOW, DEPRIVED.
UH, THE LANDSCAPERS ARE NOT BEING, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE TOLD THAT THEY JUST HAVE TO STAY WITHIN THE LAW.
YOU KNOW, IT'S EASY, IT'S EASY TO UNDERSTAND.
MAYBE THAT'S REALLY THE WAY OF GOING.
AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT COULD EVEN BE LATER.
IT COULD GO, NO, WE DON'T HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT I'M JUST SAYING MAYBE WHY, EVEN IF YOU SAY NO LEAFBLOWER LEAF FLOWING ALLOWED AFTER ONE O'CLOCK, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, I'M JUST QUESTION AS WE'RE GOING EVERY FIVE SECONDS, I'M DELAYING IT, BUT THE QUESTION IN MY MIND IS, IS O YOU WANT HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 25TH AND YOU WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH AS A BOARD, WHICH COULD CHANGE.
WHAT IS THAT WE, LET'S SAY, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE SPOKEN TO SOME PEOPLE WHO REALLY DON'T LIKE THIS WHOLE, YOU KNOW, YOU THE, THE LEGISLATION AND THIS, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE WHO OBVIOUSLY LIKE IT.
WOULD YOU, DO YOU THINK THAT PEOPLE, IF WE SAID, YOU KNOW, ZERO LEAF BLOWING FOR ANYONE UN UNTIL ONE O'CLOCK, THEN AFTER ONE O'CLOCK, YOU KNOW, THE, WELL, I THINK THAT ONE O'CLOCK IS A LITTLE LATE BECAUSE DEPENDING ON WHAT THE WEATHER IS FOR SOMEONE WHO'S MOTORS LAWN, THAT'S, WELL, THEY COULD DO IT THEM THE NEXT DAY.
RIGHT? BUT, BUT IT'S HOT IN THE SUMMER AT ONE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON.
11 O'CLOCK MAYBE IS HOT IN THE SUMMER DAY.
YOU KNOW, WELL, WELL THEN THEY COULD ALWAYS DO IT AT NIGHT.
YOU REALLY PUT AN INCONVENIENCE ON PEOPLE.
LIKE THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT NO, I'M, I'M JUST SAYING, I'M JUST TRYING TO COME UP WITH WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THE ONE THAT'S WRITTEN HERE AND, AND THEN YOU LIKE PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
YOU LIKE THE, THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S, THERE'S NO THERE, THERE'S NO RIGHT OR WRONG ANSWER TO THIS.
NOT EVERY, THERE'S NO RIGHT OR WRONG.
IT'S A MATTER OF YOU PUT SOMETHING, WE PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE, WE SEE HOW IT WORKS, AND THEN MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS AFTER THE FACT.
BUT THERE'S NO RIGHT ANSWER TO THIS.
THIS IS WHY IT'S BEEN BACK AND FORTH FOR HOW MANY YEARS NOW? ABOUT 50
SO, I MEAN, WE JUST, WE HA WE LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC AGAIN, AND THEN WE PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE AND THEN WE MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AS C FIT.
RIGHT? BUT THE THING IS, IF WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T MAKE THE CHANGES NOW, THEN WE'RE GONNA BE DELAY DELAYING IT BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE FOR JUNE BY, FOR JUNE OF THIS YEAR.
OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, SO I'M, I'M SAYING WHY WOULD BE THE LEAST, UH, UNACCEPT, YOU KNOW, WHY WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY COULD BASICALLY LIVE WITH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, THE FIRST YEAR.
WHAT'S HERE? THERE'S ANY CHANGES.
BECAUSE BASICALLY I, I THINK WE SHOULD, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I SAY, SO YOU'RE GONNA GET ANOTHER PHONE CALL WHO SAYS SOMEONE TELL YOU THAT THEY DON'T LIKE IT, AND THEN WE COME BACK, NO, NEXT WEEK.
CHANGE THIS AGAIN, DOESN'T, I COULD LIVE WITH THIS, BUT I, I ALSO FEEL THAT THERE'S A LOT OF, SO LET'S JUST TRY IT OUT UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT, UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT RIGHTS AND WRONGS, LET'S JUST FIGURE IT OUT.
WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA START SOMEPLACE.
SO LET'S JUST, THE ONLY, THE ONLY THOUGHT THAT I HAVE IS THAT IF YOU MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM WITH, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA FORGET THE DAYS.
IT'S HARD, YOU KNOW, TO GET PEOPLE TO, BUT YOU'RE GONNA BLAST IT OUT AND YOU'RE GONNA REMIND THEM.
BUT PEOPLE DON'T, AND EVERYTHING DON'T, PEOPLE DON'T READ ANYTHING.
A LOT, A LOT OF PEOPLE WE'RE POSTING, IF WE'RE POSTING IT ON OUR WEBSITE, IF YOU ARE BLASTING IT, AND WE ARE MAKING EVERYONE ON, PUT EVERYONE ON NOTICE WHAT THIS DAYS ARE.
WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE LANE LANE AND ALL WE DOING IS KEEP CONTINUE KICKING.
NO, BUT LET ME ASK A QUESTION IN TERMS OF TIM'S IDEA, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING THEN I, I THINK THE LANDSCAPERS, THE, UH, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, YEAH.
EVERYBODY BASICALLY WOULD BE ABLE TO LIVE WITH IT.
AND UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I'M WILLING TO TRY ANYTHING, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THERE MAY BE LEGITIMATE CONCERN.
UM, SO YOU HAVE LANDSCAPERS, IN TERMS OF THEIR SCHEDULING, WOULD THEY PERHAPS DO TWO HOUSES IN A DAY SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T THEY, THE EARLIER TIME SLOT, THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO ANY LEAF BLOWING IF WE START AT ONE O'CLOCK, RIGHT? THAT'S, YOU WOULD BASICALLY
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BE SAYING, RIGHT? SO THAT'S, IF YOU WANNA DO LEAF BLOWING IN GREENBURG, YOU HAVE TO DO IT IN THE AFTERNOON, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING.YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING YOU, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A LANDSCAPE COMPANY, THEY WANNA BE PROFITABLE.
THEY'RE GOING TO, THEY, THEY MAY HAVE TWO HOUSES THAT THEY CALL ON DURING THE DAY, ONE IN THE MORNING AND ONE IN THE AFTERNOON.
BUT THE ONE IN THE MORNING, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO DO ANY LEAF BLOWING IF YOU START AT ONE O'CLOCK, RIGHT? WELL, THAT, IF WE DID, IS THAT FAIR? YOUR APPROACH? WELL, NOTHING'S FAIR BECAUSE THERE'S A BALANCE.
NO, WE'RE MESSING UP PEOPLE'S LIVELIHOOD.
WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
THERE'S A LIVELIHOOD THAT'S AT STAKE HERE.
AND I'M THINK ANYONE'S THINKING ABOUT THAT.
NO, I'M SAYING THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
THERE'S A BALANCE OF QUALITY OF LIFE THAT THERE'S SOME PEOPLE WHO JUST CAN'T TAKE THE NOISE AND THAT'S LEGITIMATE.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THIS IS HAPPENING ALL OVER.
THEN YOU HAVE LIVELIHOOD AND PEOPLE WHO CAN'T AFFORD LANDSCAPERS, THAT'S LEGITIMATE ALSO.
SO YOU HAVE TWO COMPETING LEGITIMATE ISSUES.
BUT YOU CAN, YOU CAN BE POTENTIALLY CUTTING HALF THEIR BUSINESS OUT BY, SO THE ESTIMATED TIME AND THE ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF TIME THAT LEAF BLOWERS, AND WE'VE HAD PEOPLE STAND HERE AND SAY THIS, THE ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF TIME THAT PEOPLE USE LEAF BLOWERS, AND I GUESS IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE SIZE OF THE YARD.
IT'S ANYWHERE BETWEEN, I DON'T KNOW, SIX AND, AND 15 MINUTES.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE REALLY, YOU KNOW, IMPACTING, HAVING A MAJOR IMPACT ON ANYBODY'S LIVELIHOOD BY REGULATING WHAT WOULD NORMALLY TAKE SIX TO 15 MINUTES, EVEN IF THEY HAD SIX HOUSES TO DO IN ONE DAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT, IT, IT REALLY HAS, IT REALLY BOILS DOWN TO, UM, YOU KNOW, LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THE NOISE CREATED BY GAS POWERED LEAF BLOWERS CAN EXIST THROUGHOUT ANY GIVEN DAY.
AND ON THE WEEKENDS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A DAY WHERE THE WEEKENDS, PEOPLE LIKE LEISURE TIME ON THE WEEKENDS, PEOPLE HAVE COOKOUTS IN THEIR BACKYARDS.
THEY HAVE LITTLE CHILDREN'S BIRTHDAY PARTIES.
THEY, THEY HAVE BARBECUES, FAMILY GATHERINGS.
SO IF THEY'RE GONNA BE ALLOWED ON THE WEEKENDS, I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE IT TO JUST BETWEEN 11 AND THREE.
IT'S LIKE NOT TOO EARLY IN THE MORNING, AND IT'S NOT TOO LATE IN THE DAY, MAYBE LIKE 11 AND THREE.
ANYBODY COULD DO LEAP LONG HAIR FOR, FOR WEEKENDS AND ON THE OTHER DAYS OF THE WEEK, MAYBE DO TWO DAYS.
MAYBE YOU HAVE TWO DAYS YOU CAN'T DO IT.
AND THEN ON WEEKENDS WE ALLOW, YOU SAID WE ALLOW AT 11 2 3.
THAT'S, SEE THAT YOU LIKE SOLOMON.
I MEAN, I MEAN I COULD LIVE WITH THAT ON THE WEEKENDS, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, E 11 TO FIVE, NO, THAT'S DINNER HOUR, BUT 11 TO THREE IS MORE REASONABLE.
SO WHAT I, I THINK THAT I, I THINK THAT'S GOOD.
11 TO THREE ON WEEKENDS, WE NEED CONSENSUS TO CHANGE THIS STORY.
AND, UH, YOU GUYS WANNA, AND, UM, AND WE HAVE 11 TO THREE ON WEEKENDS ALLOWED.
AND, UM, AND I'D SAY TWO DAYS, UH, DURING THE WEEK, IT'S NOT ALLOWED, IT'S NOT FINAL UNTIL YOU GUYS DECIDE.
BUT IT AGAIN,
IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT AS, UM, AS ONEROUS ON THE LANDSCAPING.
AND IT, IT MIGHT, THIS MIGHT WORK, MAYBE IT WON'T WORK, BUT IT MAY WORK AND YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, AND WE COULD TRY IT FOR A YEAR AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, THEN WE WILL DO SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF YOU DO THREE DAYS AND, AND YOU SAID WE'RE REALLY IMPACTING THE LIVELIHOOD OF, YOU KNOW, THREE DAYS MAY BE TOO ONEROUS, TWO DAYS OR SOMETHING THAT THEY MIGHT, EVERYBODY MIGHT BE ABLE TO WORK AROUND.
WHAT'S THE FEELING ON THE BOARD? YOU WANNA MAKE A CHANGE OR LEAVE IT THE WAY IT'S, WELL, YOU KNOW, MY POSITION, I'M NOT VOTING FOR THIS LAW BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING A NEW LAW TO THE BOOKS, A NEW CHAPTER TO THE BOOKS WITHOUT REPEALING THE EXISTING NOISE ORDINANCE, THE, UH, LEAF BLOWER ORDINANCE.
WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION TWICE.
UM, AND SO IT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S GONNA GO INTO COURT WITH OUR EXISTING LAW, WHICH WE'RE NOT REPEALING AND SAYING, LOOK, I'M COMPLYING WITH THIS EXISTING LAW, SO WHY DON'T WE REPEAL IT? AND WELL, THAT'S WHAT I SAID, BUT WE'D HAVE TO GET IT NOTICED.
SO THEN WHY DON'T WE JUST REPEAL THE EXISTING LAW? WELL, WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT AT THE SAME, WE WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE NOTICE TO CONSIDER THAT AS WELL.
SO WHY YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE LAW.
SO WHAT, SO LET'S REPEAL THE LAW.
THE OTHER THING WE SHOULD CON UNDERSTAND IS THAT GENERAL CODE, WHICH HANDLES ALL OUR LOCAL LAWS AND PUBLISHES THEM MM-HMM.
'CAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PERMANENT OR NOT.
SO SOMEONE WHO LOOKS TO THE CODE TO SEE THIS
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IS NOT GONNA SEE IT, NOT GONNA BUY IT UNTIL IT'S PERMANENT.SO YOU GO TO COURT AND THEN YOU SAY, LISTEN, I LOOK, I DIDN'T SEE THAT RULE AND IT'S NOT THERE.
WELL, IF WE'RE ONLY DOING IT AND IT'S GONNA SUNSET IN A YEAR.
SO IF WE, UH, AND WE'RE ALSO NOT ADDRESSING THE DECIBEL LEVEL.
NO, WE, I'VE BEEN MONITORING IT.
PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WONDERING WHAT I'M CHECKING MY WATCH SO OFTEN FOR IS IT'S 56 DECIBELS, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T TURN ON AN ELECTRIC TOOTHBRUSH RIGHT NOW WITHOUT VIOLATING OUR NOISE ORDINANCE.
BUT WE'RE GONNA BE SAYING IN OUR LAW, IT'S OKAY IF YOU USE A LEAF BLOWER EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE NOT BY THE NOISE ORDINANCE.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS ADVOCATING FOR MODIFYING THE NOISE ORDINANCE BECAUSE THIS WOULD, WE WOULD NOT HAVE THE ISSUE OF HAVING TWO DIFFERENT CHAPTERS SAYING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
THAT'S PARTICULARLY ON A SUNSET.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THE REASON FOR DOING A SEPARATE ONE IF YOU'RE THEN GOING TO ADD, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL, UH, GARDEN EQUIPMENT TO THIS.
UH, BUT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE WE, WE, WE, WE CAN'T ADOPT SOMETHING AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE WERE IGNORANT REGARDING THE DECIMAL LEVEL AND THERE'S ONLY FOUR LEAF BLOWERS MADE ACCORDING TO THE C A C THAT CAN COMPLY WITH THAT DECAL LEVEL.
SO I HAVE A QUE SO, SO I HAVE STRUCTURAL AND PROCEDURAL ISSUES WITH THE LOCAL LAW.
SO WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO TAKE A STEP, BUT AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, TWEAK IT HERE, TWEAK IT THERE, TWEAK, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE HERE FOREVER.
BUT WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO TWEAK THE LAW? AND YOU CAME UP WITH VERY BRILLIANT, UH, POINTS.
NO, THIS IS TODAY'S BEEN LIKE YOUR MOST, UH, YOUR BEST DAY SINCE YOU'VE BEEN TOWN SUPERVISOR.
WHEN DID HE BECOME TOWN SUPERVISOR? SO WHAT ARE WE, ARE YOU GONNA WORK ON, ARE WE GONNA WORK ON THE NOISE? AUDIENCE? AUDIENCE? WE'RE GONNA COME WITH ANOTHER LOCAL LAW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SIMULTANEOUS HEARING ON TO ADDRESS CHAPTER THREE 80, WHICH JUST IS NOISE.
TO ADDRESS THE DECIBEL LEVEL AND TO CHANGE, WE COME BACK TO THIS.
WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE LAW, REPEAL THE LAW.
WE HAVE TO, UH, HAVE A, A REASONABLE DECIBEL LEVEL.
UM, WE SHOULD, I THINK DO WHAT JUDITH SAYS, AND 11 TO THREE WEEKENDS ARE ALLOWED.
AND THEN WE HAVE TWO DAYS DURING THE WEEK WHERE IT'S NOT ALLOWED.
AND, UM, AND THIS WAY WE, AND IF WE DO ALL ALL OF THOSE THINGS, THEN WE COULD HAVE A, A, A ONE YEAR LAW THAT EVERYBODY WOULD FEEL IS BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
BUT THEY MAY FEEL THAT IT'S BETTER AND THEN THEY MAY GET USED TO IT AND THEY SAY, OH WOW, I REALLY LIKE, UH, THE QUIET.
AND THE NEXT YEAR WE COULD SAY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'LL WE WILL ADD A COUPLE HOURS OR WE'LL ADD AN EXTRA DAY OR WHATEVER.
THEN GRADUALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, AS PEOPLE GET USED TO IT, PEOPLE MAY, MAY WANT SOMETHING MUCH STRONGER.
BUT PAUL, YOU MAY ALSO RECEIVE SOME OPPOSITION TO RIGHT.
I JUST THREW THAT OUT THERE AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO A, A 10 TO FIVE.
YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THAT I, I I JUST, YOU KNOW, THREW IT OUT THERE AS AN ALTERNATIVE.
BUT THERE MAY VERY WELL BE PEOPLE WHO SAY, LISTEN, I LIKE TO HAVE CHILDREN'S ACTIVITIES OUTSIDE, UH, YOU KNOW, EARLY IN THE DAY AND I DON'T WANT TO HEAR, UM, UM, LEAF BLOWERS.
WELL, WE, WE TRY IT FOR A YEAR AND WE'LL SEE HOW IT WORKS AND THE BOARD MAY AGREE WITH THEM AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MAYBE THAT CARRIES THE DAY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S TWO DAYS MORE NOW THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE.
SO THAT ADDRESSES TO SOME EXTENT THE CACS ISSUE.
'CAUSE THERE ARE TWO DAYS WHEN THERE'S NO LEAK BLOWING.
I THINK THAT IDEALLY, I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE NO LEAF BLOWING ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY AT ALL.
WELL, WE GONNA GET THE NEW LAW FOR THE NOISE.
ARE WE MOVING TO MAKE A MOTION TO A EXECUTIVE SESSION? GO INTO WORK SESSION, TO I GET A SESSION, EXECUTIVE SESSION.
I MAKE A MOTION FOR PERSONAL INVOLVING PARTICULAR PEOPLE AND FOR LEGAL ISSUES INVOLVING PARTICULAR LITIGATIONS THAT MIGHT EXIST.