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[ FINAL TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, May 18, 2022 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
I SEE THAT.IT'S, UH, WELCOME TO THE WEDNESDAY MAY 18TH PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
WE'VE GOT A VERY FULL AGENDA TONIGHT.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE JUST SO PEOPLE WILL HAVE AN EXPECTATION OF TONIGHT, A LITTLE ADJUSTMENT TO THE SCHEDULE THIS EVENING.
UM, P WHEN WE GET THROUGH THE CORRESPONDENCE, THE FIRST THING WE'LL TAKE UP IS, UH, PB 2207 WITH CHICK-FIL-A.
BUT RIGHT AFTER THAT, WE'LL GO INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, RATHER THAN KEEP THE PUBLIC, HE HERE, UH, ALL EVENING, THEY'RE WELCOME TO STAY AND LISTEN.
BUT WE'LL START THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, AFTER THE CHICK-FIL-A, UM, DISCUSSION.
AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK INTO THE BUSINESS OF THE, OF THE TWO LAWS, THE CANNABIS LAW, AND THE REVISED LAW FOR THE D S O.
UM, MR. UH, SCHMIDT, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? SURE.
SO EVERYBODY'S ACCOUNTED FOR TONIGHT, AND MS. DAVIS WILL BE JOINING US AS OUR ALTERNATE TONIGHT, BUT NOT VOTING.
IS THAT CORRECT, MR. SCHMIDT? THAT'S CORRECT.
DOESN'T MEAN SHE'S NOT PARTICIPATING.
SHE JUST CAN'T VOTE OTHERWISE, SHE'S PARTICIPATING AS A FULL MEMBER.
WERE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES ANYBODY HAD? NO.
I'LL, UH, ACCEPT A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, MINUTES OF THE MAY 4TH, 2022 PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
UH, MR. HAY? DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
ALL OPPOSED? ABSTENTIONS CARRIES.
UH, AARON, WHAT'S IN CORRESPONDENCE? SO, UH, FIRST WE HAVE, UH, IT'S ACTUALLY A Z B A CASE, UM, THAT WILL ALSO BE COMING BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
THE Z B A CASE NUMBER IS 22 DASH ZERO FOUR, AND IT'S THE CARLSON'S NURSERY PROPERTY LOCATED AT SIX TWENTY FIVE DOBBS FERRY ROAD, PO.
WHITE PLAINS IN THE R 31 FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT.
UH, JUST GONNA GIVE SOME QUICK BACKGROUND AND THEN WHAT WE ARE, HAVE BEEN ASKED TO PROCEDURALLY.
SO, THE PROPOSED PROJECT INVOLVES THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 4,000 SQUARE FOOT FARM STAND BUILDING, WHICH WILL REPLACE TWO GREENHOUSES THAT ARE TO BE DEMOLISHED AT AN EXISTING GARDEN NURSERY SITE.
THE PROPOSAL REQUIRES A USE VARIANCE FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AND AMENDED SITE PLAN APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
Z B A HAS DECLARED ITS INTENT TO SERVE AS LEAD AGENCY FOR PURPOSES OF CARRYING OUT THE CCRA PROCESS FOR THIS PROJECT.
IT HAS PRELIMINARILY CLASSIFIED THE PROJECT AS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SEEKER.
SO AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD PLANNING BOARD MAY CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT IT HAS ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE ZONING BOARD ACTING AS LEAD AGENCY.
ANY DISCUSSION? I I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, IT, IT'S A NURSERY ALREADY.
THEY, THEY JUST PUTTING UP A BUILDING AND TAKING ON THE GREENHOUSE AND PUTTING UP A BUILDING.
SO A FARM STAND BUILDING? YES.
AND THAT REQUIRE, AND THAT'S IN A, REQUIRES A VARIANCE, A USE VARIANCE.
IT IS NOT A PERMITTED USE IN THE DISTRICT.
SO FARM STAND IS BY LAW IS DIFFERENT FROM A NURSERY.
BECAUSE THEY'RE SELLING PRODUCE.
I, YES, I BELIEVE THAT TO BE THE CASE.
I CAN VERIFY THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU, BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE I ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, UH, AGREE TO HAVE THE ZONING BOARD AS A LEAD AGENCY? OKAY.
I'LL, I'LL ACCEPT THAT MOTION FROM SOMEONE THEN.
MR. SIMON AND THE, UH, THEN SECOND BY MR. SNAGS.
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ABSTENTIONS PASSES.NEXT CORRESPONDENCE RELATES TO PLANNING BOARD CASE NUMBER PB 20 DASH 21 BRIGHTVIEW SENIOR LIVING AT METROPOLIS COUNTRY CLUB.
THIS IS THE THIRD PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION EXTENSION REQUEST.
UM, IT'S SET TO EXPIRE ON JUNE 13TH, 2022.
THE LETTER OF REQUEST WAS SUBMITTED BY DAVID COOPER, ESQUIRE OF ZAIN AND STEINMAN DATED MAY 6TH, 2022, AND WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKAGES.
UH, THEY'VE BEEN REQUESTING 90 DAY EXTENSIONS, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY, UM, YOU KNOW, NOW WE'RE AT OUR THIRD EXTENSION, WHILE OTHERS HAVE REQUESTED 180 DAY EXTENSIONS.
SO IT WOULD SEEM THAT THEY'VE BEEN ASKING FOR QUITE A FEW EXTENSIONS HERE, BUT THEY'VE BEEN SHORT EXTENSIONS IN THE LETTER.
AND IN MY CONVERSATION WITH MR. MR. COOPER, THEY DO FULLY EXPECT TO GET EVERYTHING SQUARED AWAY WITH THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT WITHIN THIS NEXT 90 DAY PERIOD SO THAT THEY CAN COME IN FOR FINAL SUBDIVISION.
ANY COMMENTS? UH, WE LIMITED MOTOR FIRST THEN WALTER.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, WHY DON'T WE JUST GIVE THEM 180 DAYS AND EVEN IF THEY COME IN AT THE 90, WE'RE COVERED, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP GOING THROUGH THIS.
COULD I HAVE A MOTION THEN TO EXTEND THEIR APPROVAL FOR 180 DAYS? I DON'T KNOW.
I'M SORRY, I'M GONNA GIVE IT TO MONA AND THEN GOOD.
ANYTHING ELSE IN CORRESPONDENCE BESIDES ZCO? THE ZCO CORRESPONDENCE WILL TAKE UP WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ZCO.
WE HAVE TWO OTHER, UH, QUICK ITEMS IF I MAY.
UH, THE FIRST IS CASE NUMBER PB 17 DASH ZERO SIX, THE NATIONAL ROAD SAFETY FOUNDATION, ALSO KNOWN AS THE ARLEY ROAD SUBDIVISION.
THIS IS THEIR FIRST PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION EXTENSION REQUEST SET TO EXPIRE ON JUNE 21ST, 2022.
THE LETTER OF REQUEST WAS SUBMITTED BY KATE ROBERTS, ESQUIRE OF ZARIN AND STEIN DATED MAY 13TH, 2022, WHICH WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKAGES.
THEY REQUESTED A 180 DAY EXTENSION.
WOULD YOU KNOW WHAT THE REASON FOR IT IS? EXCUSE ME FOR ONE SECOND.
AARON, THAT LETTER ALSO REFERS TO THE MARON SUBDIVISION.
ARE YOU GONNA DO THOSE SEPARATELY OR SEPARATELY? YES.
ALRIGHT, J JUST, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE MARIN SUBDIVISION AND THIS SUBDIVISION ARE REALLY JOINED AT THE HIP, BUT THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE SUBDIVISIONS.
SO WE HAD, REMEMBER THAT'S WHERE WE GOT THE DRIVEWAY AND ALL THAT STUFF.
THAT'S, SO, JUST TO REFRESH PEOPLE'S MEMORY, WHAT'S THE REASON FOR THE EXTENSION, AARON? SO THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH SUEZ WATER ON THE WATER MAIN EXTENSION OKAY.
AND IT'S TAKEN SOME TIME TO COORDINATE ON THAT.
SO THEY'RE SEEKING THIS EXTENSION AT THE TIME.
UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION WITH N NATIONALS? N SS R F, RIGHT.
NATIONAL ROAD SAFETY FOUNDATION.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, EXTEND THE, APPROVE THE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL OF THE M R S F MONA'S ASKING? I HAVE A QUESTION.
WHAT WAS THE LENGTH OF THE EXTENSION? I'M SORRY.
THERE WAS, WELL, I WAS GONNA DO THAT IN THE MOTION.
DO I HAVE THAT MOTION? MONA MOVED IT.
CAN I HAVE A SECOND, PLEASE? SECOND.
SECOND IS MR. HALE IN FAVOR? AYE.
AND THEN, UM, THAT RELATED CASE, WHICH IS THE MARIN SUBDIVISION CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH ZERO THREE, UH, WE DID GET A LETTER OF REQUEST WITHIN THE SAME LETTER, I SHOULD SAY, AS THE, AS THE FORMER PROJECT, UH, FROM MS. KATE ROBERTS SEEKING AN EXTENSION OF THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, WHICH IS SET TO EXPIRE THIS ONE ON JULY 9TH, 2022.
THE LETTER CAME IN MAY 13TH, 2022, REQUESTING A 180 DAY EXTENSION.
CAN I HAVE THAT MOTION PLEASE? WHAT ELSE MR. SIMON MOVES.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, MS. RETAG SECONDS.
IT CARRIES ANYTHING ELSE? THE CORRESPONDENCE.
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ALL RIGHT.LET'S MOVE ON INTO OUR WORK SESSION THEN.
UH, THE FIRST CASE OF THE EVENING IS PB 2 2 0 7 CHICK-FIL-A AT 20 TERRYTOWN ROAD, WHICH IS CURRENTLY, OR WAS THE SITE TILL RECENTLY OF THE C V S ON ONE 19 ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHAT USED TO BE NESTOS.
UM, AND THIS IS A, JUST A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE.
SO WHAT I WANT TO DO TONIGHT IS, UH, GIVE THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO DESCRIBE, UH, THEIR PROJECT, WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO THERE, AND LIMIT OUR, OUR COMMENTS TO WHAT WE THINK OF IT, MOST SALIENT POINTS THAT THEY NEED TO THINK ABOUT BEFORE THEY COME BACK WITH THE, WITH THE PROPOSAL.
OKAY? SO THINK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WE ALWAYS THINK ABOUT FROM A LANDUS POINT OF VIEW IN THIS PARTICULAR, UH, SITUATION.
KNOWING THAT WE'VE DEALT WITH THIS CORNER ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE'VE DEALT WITH WEST TAB, AND AFTER THAT WE'VE DEALT WITH, WITH NESTOS, I THINK TWICE WE'VE, WE'VE DEALT WITH IT WITH NESTOS.
SO JUST, JUST REMEMBER, SO YOU GUYS SHOULD BE FAMILIAR WITH THE TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN THAT CORNER AND BE PREPARED TO ASK SOME GOOD QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
WITH THAT, AARON, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE TURN? OH, IT'S FOR A SITE PLAN AND ALSO SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT.
THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT THEY, THEY WOULD BE SUBMITTING IF THEY FINALLY SUBMIT.
AARON, DID I MISS ANYTHING ON THAT? I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD A COUPLE OF THINGS.
UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED LOCATED AT 20 TERRYTOWN ROAD, P O WHITE PLAINS.
IT'S WITHIN THE DSS DESIGN SHOPPING ZONING DISTRICT.
UH, AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ MENTIONED A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE TO DISCUSS POTENTIAL FUTURE SITE PLAN AND PLANNING BOARD, SPECIAL PERMIT FAST FOOD RESTAURANT APPLICATION.
AND THAT INVOLVES THE PROPOSED DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING ONSITE, FORMER C V S BUILDING AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW APPROXIMATELY 5,000 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT TOGETHER WITH A DUAL LANE DRIVE THROUGH OUTDOOR PATIO AREA, DETACHED MEAL ORDERING CANOPY, A MEAL DELIVERY CANOPY, OFF STREET PARKING SPACES, AND RELATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
PROJECT SITE IS LOCATED IN BOTH THE TOWN OF GREENBURG AND THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS.
MAJORITY OF THE PROJECT, INCLUDING THE PROPOSED BUILDING IN DRIVE-THROUGH, WOULD BE SITUATED WITHIN THE TOWN.
A PORTION OF THE PROPOSED OFF STREET PARKING SPACES, ACCESS DRIVES, DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE, CURBING, AND LANDSCAPING WOULD BE SITUATED ON THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS PARCEL.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING, THE FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD.
BEFORE WE GO ON, UM, AARON, WE REALLY NEED TO BE COORDINATING THIS WITH THE, WITH WHITE PLAINS, BECAUSE PARTICULARLY IF THE AXIS ENDS UP BEING IN WHITE PLAINS TO THE PROPERTY, IS THERE, YES, I'D LIKE TO, IF INDEED THIS COMES IN AS A PROJECT PROJECT, UM, INVITE A MEMBER OF SOMEBODY FROM THE, THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS TO ATTEND OUR MEETINGS AND ALSO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHEN THEIR MEETINGS ARE ON THIS TOO, AND HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM OUR, OUR BOARD AT THEIR MEETINGS AS WELL.
'CAUSE THIS IS GONNA REQUIRE COORDINATION.
AND OUR OFFICE ALREADY HAS A PHONE CALL INTO THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO COORDINATE AMONGST THE TWO DEPARTMENTS AND THE TWO BOARDS IF THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD INTO A FORMAL APPLICATION.
UM, THEN WHY DON'T WE TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT TO DESCRIBE THE PROJECT.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, TIM RETAG HERE WITH BOWLER ENGINEERING.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF, UH, THE POTENTIAL APPLICANT, CHICK-FIL-A.
UH, THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING WITH US THIS EVENING.
UH, WE'RE HERE TO, UH, INTRODUCE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING AT 20 TAR TOWN ROAD.
THIS IS OUR FIRST TIME IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD FOR THE PRE-APPLICATION CONFERENCE ON THIS PROJECT.
WANTED TO SHARE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING, UM, WHERE WE WANTED TO INVEST IN THE TOWN AND THE COMMUNITY TO BRING THIS EXCITING NEW RESTAURANT AND SERVICE.
UH, BEFORE I DIVE INTO THE SITE LOCATION AND PROPOSED SITE PLAN, UH, WE'RE HERE FOR INITIAL THOUGHTS OR FEEDBACK ON THE PROSPECTIVE PROJECT BEFORE WE PULLED TOGETHER THE FULL APPLICATION, AS YOU KNOW.
UM, BUT JUST TO CAVEAT TO DATE, UH, WE HAVE PREVE A SITE PLAN JUST BASED ON OUR INITIAL SITE VISIT AND VARIABLE AERIAL MAPPING.
SO WE'RE VERY EARLY, UH, INTO OUR DUE DILIGENCE STUDIES AND PHASES FOR THIS PROJECT.
I EXPECT, EXPECT SOME CHANGES.
UH, WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THIS, UH, BOARD AND THE TOWN AS PART OF THE PROCESS EARLY ON TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE, UM, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MOVING FORWARD IN THE APPROPRIATE WAY.
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WANNA SAY.I, I, I THINK WE SHOULD CONFIRM FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. FRE FREYTAG, YOU'RE NOT ANY RELATION TO MONO FREYTAG ON THE PLANNING BOARD
AND I WAS, UH, EXCITED TO SEE HER NAME INCLUDES AN A AND NOT AN E, SIMILAR TO MINE.
SO MR. FRE TAG SPELLS HIS NAME WRONG, IS WHAT THAT MEANS.
MICHAEL, THAT'S
BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, DO I HAVE PERMISSION TO SHARE MY SCREEN? I HAVE ABSOLUTELY A COUPLE EXHIBITS THAT I COULD, UH, YES, SIR.
CAN YOU GUYS SEE THE ARIEL? YEAH.
SO, AS MR. SCHMIDT INDICATED, IT IS 20 TERRYTOWN ROAD, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED HERE IN WHITE.
SITE IS LOCATED BETWEEN NEW YORK STATE ROUTE 100 TERRYTOWN ROAD, OLD, OLD KENSICO ROAD AND COUNTRY CENTER ROAD.
UH, IT'S A UNIQUE SHAPED SITE AS YOU CAN SEE.
TRIANGLE PIECE WITH THREE FRONTAGES, THREE DESIGN FRONTAGES.
BASICALLY YOU ZOOM IN, YOU GOT NEW YORK STATE ROUTE 50, THE SITE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PLAN.
HERE, YOU CAN SEE WITH THIS RED LINE.
THIS IS THE DIVISION BETWEEN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG AND THE TOWN OF WHITE PLAINS.
SO EVERYTHING TO THE NORTH AND THE WEST.
WE'VE GOT THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TO THE SOUTHEAST.
WE'VE GOT, UH, THE TOWN OF WHITE PLAINS.
WHAT KIND OF APPRO? EXCUSE ME, MR. FREDERICK.
WHAT, WHAT KIND OF APPROVALS DO YOU NEED FROM THE TOWN OF, UH, FROM THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS, DO YOU KNOW YET? SO ON OUR SITE PLAN, WHICH STILL NEEDS TO BE VERIFIED WITH SURVEY, WE HAVE, UM, IDENTIFIED THAT THE PROPOSED BUILDING DRIVE THROUGH AND PARKING LOT ARE SOLELY WITHIN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
SO IT'S JUST GONNA BE SOME PARKING OVER IN THE TOWN OF WHITE PLAINS.
SO IT MIGHT BE SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR, UM, JUST A PARKING LOT.
BUT WE'LL BE CONFIRMING THAT AS THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD.
SO, AS MR. SCHMIDT INDICATED IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, WE'RE IN THE DSS DISTRICT IN WHITE PLAINS.
WE ARE IN THE, UH, BSS BUSINESS DISTRICT.
WE'VE GOT ABOUT 1.3 ACRES IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG AND 0.4 ACRES IN WHITE PLAINS.
SO THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE IS THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, THIS BUILDING HERE, UH, C V S PHARMACY, RETAIL, IT'S ABOUT 15,000 SQUARE FEET, PRETTY BIG BUILDING.
UH, IF YOU LOOK BACK ON GOOGLE EARTH, IT PREDATES AREA MAPPING OF 1994.
SO THE SITE IS OLDER THAN THAT.
UH, ACCESS TO THE SITE IS FROM OLD KENSICO ROAD RIGHT HERE.
THERE'S ALSO SUPPLEMENTAL ACCESS OVER HERE IN THE VILLAGE OF RIGHT WHITE PLAINS OFF OF COUNTRY CENTER ROAD.
WE'VE GOT A LARGE PARKING LOT.
IT'S COUNTY CENTER ROAD BY THE WAY, COUNTY.
I'LL PROBABLY STILL SAY THAT WRONG THREE TIMES IN MY PRESENTATION, BUT THANK YOU
UM, OVER HERE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF THE LOADING, UH, TRASH FACILITIES AND BACK OF HOUSE ACTIVITIES ON THE C V S STORE WHERE THE FRONT OF THE STORE, UH, IS IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TO THIS MAIN PARKING LOT PUBLIC UTILITY SERVICE.
THE SITE STORM WATER'S COLLECTED IN DISCHARGED TO THE STORM STORMWATER SYSTEMS OUT IN THE ROADS.
THERE'S NO, UH, STORMWATER TREATMENT ON THE SITE.
UH, IT'S A OLD, PRETTY OLD FACILITY, UH, THE SLIGHT SLOPES, UH, TOWARDS THE BACK TO TOWARDS, UH, COUNTY CENTER ROAD, UM, TO THE EAST HERE.
SO A LITTLE BIT HIGHER UP ALONG ROUTE 100 TO THE BACK.
IF YOU WALK AT THE BACK OF THIS BUILDING, YOU'LL SEE SOME EXPOSED FOUNDATION, UM, AND SOME PRETTY, UH, TALL WALLS HERE AS THE LOADING DOCK.
AND EVERYTHING IS A LITTLE RECESSED TO WHERE THE FINISHED FLOOR IS ON THE BUILDING.
JUMPING OVER TO OUR PROPOSED CONDITIONS, CAN YOU GUYS SEE THIS, UH, SITE PLAN? YES.
SO THIS IS JUST A COLORED VERSION OF THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE MATERIALS CIRCULATED TO THE BOARD.
WE'RE PROPOSING A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT QUICK SERVE RESTAURANT RIGHT HERE THAT'S SHOWN IN TAN IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR SITE.
THIS WILL HAVE A DUAL LANE DRIVE-THROUGH AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE.
INSIDE THE BUILDING, THERE WILL BE A DINING ROOM WITH APPROXIMATELY 74 SEATS OUTSIDE.
WE'LL HAVE A PATIO OF APPROXIMATELY 20
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SEATS.UH, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT THIS IS TAKING PLACE IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
HERE'S THE, UH, APPROXIMATE DIVISIONAL LINE FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBURG AND THE TOWN OF WHITE PLAINS.
WE'VE IDENTIFIED PERMITTING SUBJECT TO SPECIAL USE AND SITE PLAN REVIEW, AND WE WILL ENGAGE THE TOWN OF WHITE PLAINS AND NAVIGATE A CONCURRENT REVIEW WITH THAT TOWNSHIP.
THE SITE WILL HAVE ABOUT 113 PARKING SPACES.
THAT'S 80, 81 SPACES OF PARKING PLUS APPROXIMATELY A 32 VEHICLE CAPACITY IN THE DRIVE THROUGH ACCESS IS PROPOSED.
SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, WE'LL HAVE ACCESS OFF OLD KENSICO ROAD AND COUNTY CENTER ROAD, NO ACCESS TO NEW YORK STATE ROUTE 100 OR TERRYTOWN ROAD.
BUT WE'LL BE UTILIZING THE EXISTING SIGNALIZE ACCESS TO GET THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF SITE.
THIS PLAN SHOWS A RELOCATION OF THE DRIVEWAY FROM HERE, JUST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK ON OUR SITE.
WE ANTICIPATE WE MIGHT NEED SOME MORE STACKING, UM, CAPACITY BETWEEN THAT DRIVE THROUGH OR THAT DRIVE LANE AND THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL TO GET VEHICLES IN AND OUT OF THE SITE.
BUT WE'LL BE FURTHER REVIEWING THAT AS THE, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THAT'S A NO LEFT TURN NOW? THERE IS FULL ACCESS THERE TODAY? NO, THERE IS NOT.
IT'S A NO LEFT TURN OUT OF THERE, THERE ON A OLD CINCO.
NOW, JUST SO YOU KNOW, RIGHT HERE, YES.
ON THE EXIT, THERE'S A NO TURN LEFT TURN.
WHEN, WHEN YOU COME OUT, YOU HAVE TO TAKE, YOU HAVE TO TAKE A RIGHT AND GO AROUND THE CIRCLE.
JUST SO, JUST SO YOU KNOW, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE OF IT.
JUST ROTATE ON IT A LITTLE BIT MORE TO, UH, IF NOT THE OTHER WAY.
THAT'S THE FEEDBACK WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO, ANOTHER GOOD REASON WHY, UH, INCREASING THIS DISTANCE MIGHT HELP AGAIN.
UM, WE'LL HAVE ATLANTIC TRAFFIC ENGAGED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT CONTINUES.
THERE ARE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS AND EXPERTS WITH CHICK-FIL-A.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR THE PAST FIVE TO 10 YEARS AS CHICK-FIL-A CONTINUES TO ROLL OUT STORES IN NEW YORK STATE TO LOOK AT, UM, STUFF LIKE THAT.
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ONSITE OPERATIONS.
SO THE DRIVE-THROUGH AND HOW THIS WORKS.
THIS IS A ISOLATED DRIVE-THROUGH FOR WHAT WE CALL IT, UH, A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN YOUR TRADITIONAL DRIVE-THROUGH.
THAT JUST WRAPS THE BUILDING HERE.
WE'VE GOT AN ISOLATED DRIVE-THROUGH THAT WRAPS THE BUILDING, AND IT CREATES A SEPARATE AVENUE FOR GUESTS TO PARK AND ENTER THE STORE AND NOT HAVE TO CROSS, UH, OVER THE DRIVE-THRU TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE STORE.
SO YOUR DRIVE-THRU TRAFFIC CAN ENTER THE SITE AND CIRCULATE AROUND THE PERIMETER IN AND OUT OF THE SITE.
AND THEN PEOPLE PARKING CAN ENTER THE STORE WITHOUT HAVING TO CROSS THAT TRAFFIC.
THE DUAL LANE FULFILLMENT IS, UM, PRETTY UNIQUE TO CHICK-FIL-A AND NEW.
WHAT THEY'LL HAVE IS A CANOPY OVER THE ORDER POINT MENU BOARDS THAT'S LOCATED OUT FRONT HERE.
THIS CANOPY PROTECTS BOTH, UH, GUESTS WITH THEIR WINDOWS DOWN TAKING ORDERS, BUT ALSO TEAM MEMBERS IN THE DRIVE THROUGH WHO ARE TAKING ORDERS AND EXPEDITING, UM, SERVICE WITH TABLETS AND TAKING PAYMENT.
AS YOU TAKE YOUR ORDER, YOU'LL PULL FORWARD INTO THE MEAL FULFILLMENT AREA, WHICH IS LOCATED HERE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THIS WILL ALSO HAVE A COVERED CANOPY PROTECTING, UH, GUESTS AND TEAM MEMBER FROM WEATHER.
WHAT'S UNIQUE HERE IS IT'LL BE TWO LANES THE WHOLE WAY THROUGH.
AND THE WAY CHICK-FIL-A HANDLES THIS IS YOUR TYPICAL DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW, IS ACTUALLY A DOOR.
SO THIS DOOR OPENS AND IT ALLOWED TEAM MEMBERS TO HAND DELIVER MEALS TO BOTH LANES OF VEHICLES.
IT PROVIDES MORE CAPACITY WITHIN THE DRIVE-THRU, PROVIDES MORE EXPERIENCE, OR PROVIDES A MORE EFFICIENT EXPERIENCE AND A BETTER FACE-TO-FACE INTERACTION THAT THE, THAT CHICK-FIL-A LIKES, UM, DOING WITH THEIR GUESTS.
OVER IN THE, UH, WHITE PLAINS TERRITORY, YOU'LL SEE WE HAVE A PARKING LOT AND OUR TRACTION CLOSURE.
THIS PARKING IS GONNA BE GEARED TOWARDS TEAM MEMBER PARKING.
WE'RE GONNA TRY TO KEEP THIS AREA, UM, SEPARATE FROM OUR GUEST PARKING.
WE'LL HAVE A CONNECTION, A SIDEWALK CONNECTION UP HERE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THIS SKINNY LINE RIGHT HERE.
ANTICIPATE A RETAINING WALL JUST BECAUSE OF THE GRADE DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN ROUTE 100 AND COUNTY CENTER.
ROAD DELIVERIES WOULD ALSO UTILIZE THIS AREA.
TRUCKS WOULD COME IN AND BE ABLE TO DELIVER, UM, THROUGH THIS CONNECTION TO THE BACK OF HOUSE AND NOT
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INTERFERE WITH ANY OF THE ACTIVITY OUT IN OUR MAIN PARKING LOT.OVERALL, THE PROJECT IS, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCING LOT COVERAGE FOR PIT BUILDING AND PAVEMENT AREA.
WE'RE GOING FROM A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING TO ABOUT 5,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
HAVE APPROXIMATELY A, A 10% INCREASE OF GREEN SPACE.
AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE, ON THIS RENDER, OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE TEAM WILL BE ENGAGED.
UM, WE'VE IDENTIFIED, UH, A FOCUS ON PRESERVING A LOT OF THE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE OUT THERE.
SO HERE ON THIS RENDER, YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE TREES THAT HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT.
UH, AS PART OF THIS PROJECT AS WELL, WE'RE GONNA BE REUSING, UH, THE EXISTING UTILITY SERVICES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE SITE, AND ALSO EMPLOYING, UM, STORMWATER TREATMENT THAT'S IN EXISTENT TODAY TO BRING IT UP TO, UH, CURRENT STANDARDS.
SO IT'LL BE IMPROVEMENT FOR THE PROJECT.
LASTLY, IN OUR PACKAGE, WE CIRCULATED, UH, TO THE BOARD.
WE INCLUDED SOME HIGH LEVEL RENDERINGS OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING THE BUILDING TO LOOK LIKE.
WE'VE GOT A UNIQUE SCENARIO WHERE WE BASICALLY HAVE FOUR FRONTAGES.
WE'VE GOT, UH, RIGHT AWAY ON ALL SIDES OF OUR SITE.
SO WE'VE DESIGNED THIS BUILDING TO BE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING FROM ALL SIDES.
WE'VE ADDED WINDOWS AND TRANSPARENCY TO TRY TO DEVELOP, UM, A GOOD LOOKING BUILDING FROM ALL ANGLES.
THE TRASH ENCLOSURE FACILITY WILL BE FULLY MASONRY, UM, TRUCTURE TO MATCH THE BUILDING.
AND THEN THIS RENDER HERE JUST SHOWS YOU HOW SLIM AND SLEEK THE PROPOSED CANOPIES ARE OVER THE DRIVE-THROUGH THAT, TRY TO REALLY BLEND IT IN WITH THE FASCIA AND THE FLASHING OF THE BUILDING.
IN SUMMARY, WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT, UM, A GREAT PROJECT AND A GREAT OPPORTUNITY HERE TO REVITALIZE AN EXISTING ALREADY DEVELOPED SITE AND BRING THIS NEW SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE CAN IMPROVE THE SITE CONDITIONS TODAY.
WE'LL MAKE SURE WE REVIEW TRAFFIC AND SITE CIRCULATION TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT POSSIBLE.
UM, C F A WOULD INVEST PROBABLY ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS HERE IN CONSTRUCTION.
UH, THEY'LL BRING ABOUT 125 TO 150 FULL-TIME AND PART-TIME EMPLOYEES HERE TO THE COMMUNITY TO OPERATE THIS STORE.
TYPICAL OPERATIONS ARE SIX 30 TO 10:00 PM AT 6:30 AM TO ATTEND, UH, PM MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
AND THEY'RE CLOSED ON SUNDAYS.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT.
UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL, I'LL TURN IT BACK TO YOU AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD FOR ANY FEEDBACK, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS THAT MIGHT HELP US AS THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD.
UM, I WILL, I'LL LEAD OFF AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE REST OF THE BOARD.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I NOTICED RIGHT OFF THE BAT, AS YOU'VE GOT A DOUBLE, UH, DRIVE-THROUGH, BUT YOU HAVE NO WAY, IF YOU'RE IN THE QUEUE OF GETTING OUT OF THE QUEUE, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH, WITH DRIVE-THROUGHS IN THE PAST, WE, WE CAN HAVE A BYPASS.
THERE IS NONE IN THIS PARTICULAR DESIGN.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING OF CONCERN TO OUR BOARD.
UM, WHAT IS THE CAPACITY OF THE DRIVE THROUGH? DO YOU KNOW? WE'VE IDENTIFIED THIS DRIVE TO DRIVE THROUGH TO HAVE, UM, ABOUT 32 CAR STACKS FOR THE DOUBLE.
UM, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER 'CAUSE IT'LL LOOK LIKE THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM OTHER PEOPLE.
UM, THAT ONE THING I'D SAY THE OTHER THING YOU DO NEED TO CONSIDER IS RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE A LEFT, YOU HAVE A LEFT TURNOUT ONLY OUT OF THAT PARKING LOT, WHICH FORCES EVERYBODY TO TAKE A RIGHT TURN AND GO AROUND A CIRCLE.
SO AS WELL, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT TRAFFIC FLOW.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHO WAS FIRST OUT OF THE THREE OF YOU.
UM, SO I'M GONNA TAKE IT FROM THE TOP.
MR. HAY, THEN MS. DAVIS AND MS. MS. FRE.
UM, ONE IS THE PATIO LOCATION, WHICH AS IT'S DIAGRAMMED HERE, IS RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE PEOPLE ARE IDLING, UH, TO PLACE THEIR ORDERS.
IT SEEMS A LITTLE HAZARDOUS FROM AN EXHAUST STANDPOINT TO ME, BUT I ALSO, UM, WANNA KNOW IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF BARRIER BETWEEN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING THERE AND THE, UM, THE CARS IN GOING UNDER THE CANOPY, UNDER THE CANOPY.
AND, UH, LET ME JUST SAY ALL THREE QUESTIONS AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES YOU ANTICIPATE, ESPECIALLY AT PEAK HOURS.
I ASSUME THAT WOULD BE PART OF YOUR APPLICATION, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA LOOK AT AND HAVE OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT LOOK AT.
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CAME UP WHEN YOU WERE DESCRIBING THE PROJECT WAS THE DELIVERIES, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF SPACE BETWEEN WHERE YOU ARE SAYING THE TRUCKS ARE GONNA BE UNLOADING AND WHERE THEY'VE GOTTA GO IN THE BUILDING, AND IT'S GOTTA GO THROUGH BOTH OF THE LANES OF THE DRIVE THROUGH.SO I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S GONNA BE COORDINATED.
I'M ASSUMING MAYBE YOU'VE DONE THIS AT OTHER LOCATIONS, YOU TIME IT A CERTAIN WAY, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT COULD BE A PROBLEM.
UM, IF YOU CAN WRITE THESE DOWN, MS. FRE, TAG 'EM AND ANSWER.
IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER 'EM TONIGHT, THAT'S FINE.
ANY YOU WANT ANSWER TONIGHT? YOU CAN, BUT I'D LIKE TO GET THROUGH THE QUESTIONS FIRST.
SO JUST KEEP NOTES IF YOU DON'T MIND.
IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH YOU, MS. FRE? MR. REEK? YES.
I JUST NEED A, A BETTER EXPLANATION OF THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND THEN ALSO THE PARKING SPACES.
SO FROM TARRYTOWN ROAD, SOMEONE GOING SOUTH, HOW ARE THEY GETTING IN THERE AND THEN GOING NORTH, WHAT'S THE EXPECTATION FOR THE TRAFFIC FLOW FOR THAT AND THEN THE EMPLOYEE PARKING? UM, JUST, I DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW THAT THE, IT SAID ABOUT 125 TO 150 EMPLOYEES.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SHIFTS ARE STAGGERED, BUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S ENOUGH PARKING FOR THE EMPLOYEES, UH, SO THEY WON'T HAVE TO FIND PARKING, UH, ELSEWHERE.
AND THOSE ARE MY TWO QUESTIONS.
UM, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH CHICK-FIL-A BECAUSE I HAVE A SECONDARY HOME IN THE DURHAM, RALEIGH AREA, AND I HAVE ONE LAKE A NANOSECOND AWAY FROM ME AT BRIAR CREEK PARKWAY AND LUMLEY ROAD.
AND THIS CHICK-FIL-A 32 CAR STACK IS A DROP IN THE BUCKET.
SO I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT NOT BEING ENOUGH, UH, DURING PEAK HOURS.
AND I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE VOLUMES DURING THAT HOUR.
AND I ANTICIPATE CARS BEING STACKED ALL THE WAY OUT ONTO TARRYTOWN ROAD, AND I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH THAT.
SO I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO HAVE JOHN CANON GET INVOLVED WITH A TRAFFIC STUDY AS WELL AS THEIR TRAFFIC PEOPLE TOO.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO.
UH, ONE IS THAT, UH, HOW MUCH IS A GREAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE, UH, THE EMPLOYEE PARKING AND THAT DRIVE-THROUGH AND HOW DOES THAT, UH, UH, WORKS WITH, UH, EMPLOYEE NAVY GETTING GOING TO THE, FROM PARKING TO I SEE THE RAMP THERE, BUT, UH, JUST WANTED TO SEE THAT.
HOW DO WE, HOW DO THEY GET INTO THE RESTAURANT? DO THEY HAVE TO CROSS THE TWO MOVING LANES? AND THEN HOW DO WE GET THERE? IT'S A CIRCULATION IS NOT CLEAR FOR EMPLOYEES TO GET INTO IT.
UH, AND I THINK THERE IS A, UH, THE HANDICAP SYMBOL IS MISSING ON THE SIXTH PARKING SLOT, WHICH IS, LOOKS LIKE A KIND OF A TYPO.
UH, AT THE, AT, UH, THE LAST ONE, THE BOTTOM ONE.
UM, IS THERE ANY HANDICAP PARKING FOR THE EMPLOYEE? AND IF IT IS, HOW DO THEY NAVIGATE TO THE, TO THE RESTAURANT? LAST QUESTION IS, IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN THE DELIVERY OF THE FOOD.
YOU SAY THE GUYS GOES OUT AND THEN THEY DELIVER THE FOOD IN THE CAR.
I MEAN, I MAY MAY HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD, UH, BUT SO YEAH, SO I KIND OF NOT VERY CLEAR ABOUT IT.
UH, I THINK FOR NOW THAT'S, UH, THAT ARE MY QUESTIONS.
SO I'LL LEAVE THE OTHER PEOPLE TO QUESTION.
MR. GOLDEN, I, I HAD THE OPPOSITE REACTION TO MONA.
I THOUGHT THIS LOOKED LIKE A VERY LARGE, UH, PROJECT, BUT I MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OUT OF IT.
I'VE NEVER SEEN A DOUBLE LANE DRIVE-IN, BUT OF COURSE I DON'T GO TO THESE FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS.
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HAVE A MARKETING STUDY THAT YOU COULD SHOW US TO JUSTIFY THE SIZE OF THIS? THAT'S NUMBER ONE.MY SECOND AND LAST QUESTION IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF VOLUME COMING DOWN INTO THOSE, INTO THOSE DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOWS.
UM, CAN YOU PUT SIDEWALKS WITHIN THE PARKING LOT SO THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE PARKING AND THEN WALKING INTO THE RESTAURANT DON'T HAVE TO DODGE ALL THE CARS? I'M DONE.
UH, MR. FRIED AND THEN MR. SIMON.
I WAS GOING TO LET MR. SIMON GO FIRST.
WELL, YOU WERE UP, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP FIRST.
SO I'LL LET MR. SIMON GO FIRST.
MR. SIMON FIRST, THEN, THEN, THEN MR. FREE.
UH, CHAIRMAN SCHWARTZ INDICATED THAT THERE'S NO LEFT TURN COMING OUT OF OLD KENSICO, BUT THEN IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THE RIGHT AND COME AROUND AND TRY TO COME OUT ON OLD COUNTY ROAD, COUNTY ROAD CAN'T GO, THERE IS NO LEFT ON THAT ROAD.
IF YOU ARE INTENT IS TO GO INTO WHITE PLAINS, YOU CANNOT GO STRAIGHT BECAUSE THERE'S A BARRIER ACROSS A DIVIDER.
SO THE ONLY, UH, TURN YOU COULD MAKE IS A RIGHT.
UH, AND IF YOU WOULD, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO WHITE PLAINS AGAIN, THAT TRAFFIC WOULD HAVE TO GO AROUND THE CIRCLE AND COME BACK OUT, AND THEN YOU COULD MAKE A, A LEFT TO GET INTO WHITE PLAINS.
RIGHT NOW, THERE IS A, A, A RESTAURANT, UH, WELL, IT WAS A RESTAURANT, BUT IT'S A DRIVE-IN THERE.
BUT DURING THE COVID, THAT RESTAURANT TURNED DOWN, UH, WAS SHUT DOWN.
BUT THAT PROPERTY CAN, A NEW OWNER CAN OPEN UP THAT RESTAURANT AGAIN AND THERE'LL BE AN ADDITIONAL, UH, UH, DRIVE THROUGH RIGHT IN THAT LOCATION.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO CONSIDER.
NOW, THE OTHER THING THAT YOU WROTE IN YOUR APPLICATION, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE OPERATOR LIVING, UH, LOCALLY.
UH, SINCE YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, I WOULD BE INTERESTED WHEN YOU COME IN WITH YOUR APPLICATION, YOU JUST EXPAND UPON THAT.
IN THE INTEREST OF LIVING PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, GO FIRST, MR. FREE, MR. SNAGS.
IN TERMS OF THE, THE POTENTIAL CAR PILE UP, I, I LIKE THE FLOW FOR OFF PEAK HOURS.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'LL WORK REALLY WELL, BUT I'M THINKING ABOUT TRAFFIC GOING NORTH ON TARRYTOWN ROAD, TURNING DOWN COUNTY CENTRAL ROAD, WHICH IS A ONE-WAY, RIGHT, YOU HAVE THREE SEPARATE, UH, ENTRANCES ON COUNTY CENTER ROAD.
IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO GO THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH, THROUGH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PARK AT THE EARLIEST ENTRY, WALK TO CHICK-FIL-A, AND THEN CROSS BACK THROUGH THE, UH, DRIVE-THROUGH AREA.
I, I, I JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A, THIS ISN'T A FINAL DESIGN.
THIS IS JUST, UH, PRELIMINARY AND PROPOSED, CORRECT? CORRECT.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S A BETTER OPPORTUNITY THAT IT'S A BETTER DESIGN SOMEWHERE WITHIN THIS, UH MM-HMM.
IF NOT, THEY'LL GO UP, UH, OLD KENSICO ROAD THERE.
THERE'S A POTENTIAL PILE UP HERE, WHICH COULD LEAD INTO MORE TRAFFIC ON, UH, TARRYTOWN ROAD AND COUNTY CENTER ROAD HAVING THE SAME TYPE OF OUTCOME.
OVERALL, ALL OF THE TRAFFIC FROM THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY HAS TO GO THROUGH THE, UH, THE TURNABOUT THAT'S HIGHER UP THE ROAD.
AND JUST GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THESE, UH, FACILITIES TEND TO GENERATE, I DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING GOOD FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD OVERALL.
SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UH, MORE IN-DEPTH TRAFFIC STUDY AS WELL AS MORE DETAILS OR ALTERNATE PLANS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HELP WITH THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC OVERALL.
I'M NOT GONNA LET MR. MR. SCHMIDT PREEMPT YOU MR. FREE.
UM, THE, THE QUESTION THAT I HAD WAS, I NOTE THAT YOUR CANOPY, YOUR ORDERING CANOPY IS DOWN, UM, RIGHT, UH, NEAR TAR TOWN ROAD, AND IT'S A BIT OF A DISTANCE FROM, UH, THE, I GUESS, AREA THAT YOU'RE MEAL FULFILLMENT.
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A CONCERN THAT I WOULD CERTAINLY ASK OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT IS, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT BACKUPS TEND TO BACK UP MORE FROM THE, UH, FROM WHERE YOU'RE SERVING THAN FROM THE FULFILLMENT AREA.AND WHETHER IT MAKES SENSE TO MOVE THAT, I KNOW THAT YOU, YOU NEED A LAG TIME ALSO, UH, FROM ORDERING TO MAKING, UH, THE MEALS, BUT IT MAKES SENSE TO PUSH THAT, UM, UH, ORDERING CANOPY, YOU KNOW, MORE TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, UM, SO THAT YOU HAVE MORE CARS QUEUING UP, UM, AND NOT AFFECTING THE, UH, THE PAR THE, UH, PARKING THAT YOU HAVE, UH, THAT, UH, IS ADJACENT TO OLD KENSICO ROAD.
THE OTHER POINT, AND IT IS NOT REALLY DOESN'T, UH, REFLECT, UM, TRAFFIC, UH, BUT IT'S JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UH, NESTOS ACROSS THE STREET IS NOT A RESTAURANT IN UNDER OUR, THE DEFINITION OF OUR CODE.
IT IS A DELICATESSEN AND IT HAS INCIDENTAL DINING, UH, ACCORDING TO THE PER, UM, TO THEIR PERMIT, UM, THAT IS, HAS SOME SIGNIFICANCE.
UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE FACT THAT THIS IS IN THE DSS ZONE, IT HAS PROBABLY VERY LITTLE SIGNIFICANCE WITH RESPECT TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY IT.
WELL, IT MIGHT, DAVE, THE THING WE, WE KNOW THAT THE BUILDING'S FOR LEASE, AND WE, WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHO THE LEAST ONE POTENTIAL TENANT MIGHT BE.
SO THE NATURE, I WOULD NOT, I WOULD NOT, I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA DISCLOSE THAT OBVIOUSLY.
I, YOU KNOW, I, I I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN COUNT ON, ON ANY OF THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING IN THERE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING IN THERE RIGHT NOW.
IT MAY, I, GIVEN WHAT HAPPENED WITH NESTOS, I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF THE, THE PRE-EXISTING USE IS GOING TO BE THE FUTURE USE.
THAT'S WOULD BE MY POINT OKAY.
MR. SCHMIDT HAS BEEN, BEEN CHOMPING AT THE BIT FOR A HALF AN HOUR NOW TO SAY SOMETHING.
SO MR. SCHMIDT, WELL, I, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY NOW BECAUSE MR. FREE TOOK MY COMMENT, WHICH I CHATTED WITH HIM ABOUT.
UH, AND IT RELATED TO THE FORMER ERNESTO'S BEING A DELICATE DELICATESSEN WITH INCIDENTAL VERSUS AN ACTUAL RESTAURANT.
BUT, WELL, AS YOU SAY, RIGHT NOW, IT'S AN EMPTY BUILDING AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.
MR. JOSIAH, IS YOUR HAND UP AGAIN, OR IS D FROM BEFORE? YEAH, UH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF, UH, COMMENTS.
UH, IS IT, UH, THE PLAN THAT, THAT SHOWS THE OUTSIDE DINING, UH, IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING ON THEIR RENDERING? SO IT MAY BE JUST A TECHNICAL THINGS, IT LOOKS LARGER.
LOOK AT THAT ONE VERSUS THE, VERSUS THE SIDEBAR SITE.
YEAH, IT LOOKS, YEAH, IT LOOKS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER.
WELL, ALSO ONE'S THE TRIANGLE, THE TRIANGLE ON THE OTHER DRAWING.
SO THESE ARE SAMPLE RENDERINGS, VERY HIGH LEVEL.
THEY'RE NOT ALIGNED WITH THE, UM, SITE PLAN, BUT I WILL SAY WE'LL BE INSTALLING SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH A BARRIER AND THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER BEFORE THE DRIVE THROUGH.
MS. DEZA, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH.
UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY LIGHTING PLAN? I DIDN'T SEE ANY LIGHTING IN THE THINGS.
YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A SIGNS ON THE BUILDING.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER SIGNS BESIDES ON THE BUILDING? YEAH, WE'LL HAVE A, A FREESTANDING SIGN IN OUR DRIVEWAY AND THERE'LL BE A LIGHTING PLAN AND FULL DEVELOPMENT, UH, DESIGN DOCUMENTS.
BUT NOTHING AT THIS, UH, POINT.
THERE'LL BE, YOU KNOW, FULL CALL.
WE'RE A CONCEPT STAGE HERE, NOT, NOT AT FINAL STAGE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
WHAT I WANT TO DO, I DON'T MISS MR. DEFER, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO ANSWER ALL THESE QUESTIONS TONIGHT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE PREMATURE.
UM, CLEARLY THE, THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS GOING TO BE THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND, AND, UM, HOW THAT WORKS.
UM, WE WILL BE ENGAGING OUR OWN TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE EXPENSE OF THE APPLICANT.
UM, AT THE TIME YOU'VE FILED AN APPLICATION FOR THIS, UH, THIS IS A KIND OF A BIT, THIS HAS BEEN A VERY CONTROVERSIAL INTERSECTION OVER THE YEARS.
UH, THE COMMUNITY IS VERY CONCERNED 'CAUSE IT'S THEIR WAY OUT.
BEHIND, THERE'S A COMMUNITY BEHIND THIS BUILDING TO THE, WELL, IF YOU'RE FACING, FACING CHICK-FIL-A FROM ONE 19, IT WOULD BE ON THE LEFT.
AND, UH, THEY GET VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR ACCESS TO OUT, PARTICULARLY DURING PEAK HOURS.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE A BIG, BIG, UH,
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FOCUS FOR YOU.UM, MR. UH, GOLDEN MENTIONED A MARKETING STUDY.
ANY INFORMATION YOU CAN GIVE US ON, ON VOLUMES, UH, SEVERAL STORES, IF THERE ARE ANY STORES AROUND HERE, UH, THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR THAT YOU WOULD THINK IN, IN TRAFFIC FLOW? UH, THE ONE I CAN THINK OF IS THE ONE IN NORWALK.
MAYBE THE CLOSEST ONE THAT I CAN THINK OF THAT I'VE SEEN ON, UH, ON ROUTE ONE IN NORWALK.
UH, BUT THERE MAY BE OTHERS I DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
UM, CLEARLY THOSE ARE GONNA BE THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS.
UH, THIS ISSUE OF GETTING PEOPLE, UH, TO AND FROM WORK IS GONNA BE SOMETHING, UH, TO, TO BE FOCUSED ON PARKING.
WE'RE REALLY GONNA NEED TO REVIEW THAT GIVEN SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF EMPLOYEES COMING IN AND OUT NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE SHIFTS.
WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW MANY THEY'RE AT A TIME AND TO, TO REALLY CALCULATE WHERE WE ARE IN TERMS OF PARKING CAPACITY AS WELL.
THAT'S, UH, THAT CAME UP HANDICAP'S A VERY BIG ISSUE WITH, WITH OUR BOARD.
WE REALLY CARE ABOUT, UH, BEING ABLE TO, UM, ADDRESS THE NEEDS THAT, UH, UH, OF, OF THE HANDICAPPED.
AND WE'RE VERY CAREFUL TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE, THERE ARE NOT ONLY SUFFICIENT SPACES, BUT THEY'RE LOCATED IN A PLACE THAT DOESN'T, MAKES IT EASY FOR, FOR OUR PEOPLE TO, TO GET TO GET INTO THE STORE IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
AND THAT GOES FOR CUSTOMERS AND EMPLOYEES? BOTH.
SO THAT WAS, AGAIN, A, A THING THAT, UH, WAS DISCUSSED TODAY.
I THINK I, THE LIGHTING OBVIOUSLY, UM, THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, SO THE LIGHTING AND HOW THE LIGHTING IS DONE IS GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT.
WE'RE GONNA BE WANTING TO LOOK AT, UH, THE LIGHTING ENVELOPE AS WELL.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT'LL COME UP AND BE VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, I THINK I'VE GOT MO I'M LOOKING AT THE NOTES FROM EVERYBODY THAT I TOOK.
UH, I THINK I, I'VE GOT, UM, MOST OF THE, MOST OF THEM DOWN.
UH, I HAD THE QUESTION ABOUT DELIVERIES, WHICH IS SOMETHING I DO WANNA RIGHT.
THE DELIVERY TIMES AND, AND HOW THE LOGISTICS WORK WITH THE DELIVERIES IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO US TOO.
THAT, THAT DEFINITELY IS IMPORTANT TO US.
AND I, AND I, AND, AND I HAD IN MY QUESTION, WELL, THE ACCESS TO WAY PLANS IS THE LAST ONE I WAS GONNA MENTION.
THAT IS A VERY WHICH ONE? OH, THE ONE ABOUT THE EMPLOYEES? YEAH.
WE'RE GONNA BE INTERESTED, YOU KNOW, WE LOVE NEW PEOPLE WHO COME INTO THE COMMUNITY AND, AND HELP BUILD, BUILD, UH, HAVE JOB OPPORTUNITIES.
SO, UM, IT'S SOMETHING WE, WE SAW ON YOUR APPLICATION.
WE WANT TO DEFINITELY HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT.
AND I THINK THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT THAT TOO AS WE GO FORWARD.
THANK YOU MR. SIMON FOR REMINDING ME OF THAT ONE.
AND AGAIN, THE ONE OTHER THING IN TRAFFIC IS ACCESS TO GOING TOWARDS WHITE PLAINS CAN MAY BE TRICKY.
AND, AND THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED.
MONA, VERY QUICKLY, 'CAUSE I WANNA MOVE ON.
THERE'S ONE OTHER THING, UM, HUGH, THAT I WANNA SAY, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THESE CARS SITTING AND IDLING, I THINK WE, WE NEED TO THINK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW IT'S GOING TO BE OFFSET IN SOME WAY FROM AN ENERGY STANDPOINT AND AN, UM, YOU KNOW, AN ECOLOGICAL STANDPOINT.
UM, WHAT ARE WE GOING DO WITH ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? YOU KNOW, GREEN, I THINK.
AND ALSO, YEAH, FROM A POLLUTION POINT OF VIEW, IF YOU, FROM A POLLUTION AND EXACTLY.
MR. SCHMIDT, FINAL COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? YES.
I WAS ONLY GONNA JUST ADVISE THE APPLICANT THAT WE DO, WE KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT AND ITS TEAM ARE PROBABLY TAKING NOTES, BUT STAFF DOES AS WELL WHEN WE PREPARE MINUTES, DETAILED MINUTES THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO SHARE WITH THE PROJECT TEAM ONCE THEY'RE ADOPTED BY THE BOARD, LIKELY AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO WE'RE HAPPY TO FORWARD THOSE ALONG.
HEY, MR. FREITAG, ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR US BEFORE WE MOVE ON? NO, I'LL, I'LL JUST WRAP IT UP BY SAYING THANK YOU.
I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S OPEN AND HONEST FEEDBACK.
HAVING THIS DISCUSSION UP FRONT CERTAINLY HELPS US, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS THESE PROBLEMS EARLY ON.
I WILL SAY FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE, UM, HOPEFULLY WHEN WE GET OUR REPORT IN, PLEASE READ IT.
IT'S A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION.
THEY USE DATA FROM OTHER SITES OF SIMILAR AREAS.
YOU KNOW, HERE, THE TRAFFIC'S ALREADY ON THE ROAD.
THAT'S WHY CHICK-FIL-A IS GOING HERE, RIGHT? WE JUST GOTTA MAKE SURE WE GET THEM ON AND OFF THE SITE SAFELY.
AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE LARGE STACKING CAPACITIES.
AND THE DRIVE-THROUGH ENTRANCE IS WAY FAR AWAY FROM THE ACCESS TO OLD HESCO ROAD TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY ISSUES IN A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO PLEASE REVIEW THAT REPORT, IT'LL HAVE DATA.
UM, AND IF, IF THE DATA COMES BACK TO WHERE IT DOESN'T REPORT DOESN'T
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WORK, YOU'LL SEE A DIFFERENT PLAN BECAUSE CHICK-FIL-A IS NOT GONNA SET UP THEIR OPERATOR GEAR TO FAIL EITHER.THEY'VE HAD, UM, A LOT OF EXPERIENCE THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO EMPLOY ON THIS LOCATION WHERE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE WHEN THEY FIRST ROLLED OUT TO NEW YORK.
SO NOW THEY DO, THEY'VE GOT DATA.
WE'LL SUBMIT THAT DATA IN, IN THE REPORT.
UM, SO LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING THAT COMPLETE FOR EVERYBODY TO REVIEW.
MR. REEK, NOT ONLY WILL I ASSURE YOU, THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD READ EVERYTHING THAT THEY GET 'CAUSE THEY DO.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE A PROFESSIONAL TRAFFIC CONSULTANT OURSELVES.
WE'LL BE EVALUATING WHAT, WHAT YOU SEND US.
SO, UH, WE DO OUR HOMEWORK ON THIS BOARD WITH THAT.
WE PRIDE OURSELVES IN DOING THAT.
DECISIONS HERE ARE MADE BASED ON FACTS, NOT OUR OPINION.
THAT'S THE WAY WE DO THINGS HERE.
THANK YOU FOR THE VERY, VERY GOOD PRESENTATION TONIGHT, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOUR APPLICATION.
UM, AARON, I'D LIKE TO GO RIGHT INTO PUBLIC HEARING IF WE COULD.
YOU, WE GOT A TWO THUMB THUMBS UP FROM BARBARA.
SO WE'RE READY TO GO IN THE PUBLIC HEARING? YES.
WELCOME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF TONIGHT'S, UM, PLANNING BOARD MEETING ON MAY 18TH.
WE HAVE ONE APPLICATION ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.
THAT'S PB 1736 ACO ON OLD COLONY ROAD.
IT'S A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, WETLAND, WATERCOURSE AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
THIS, THIS APPLICATION'S BEEN AROUND, AS YOU CAN TELL, SINCE, UH, 2017.
AND THERE WILL BE, UH, GO THROUGH A BRIEF HISTORY OF, OF WHERE THIS THING STARTED AND WHERE IT IS NOW.
UM, SO, UM, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS WORKED WITH SEVERAL WORK SESSIONS WITH, UH, THE, WITH, UH, MR. ZAPPI, UH, TO, UH, BRING THIS THING TO THE PLACE WHERE WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO INFORMATION FROM THE, UH, COMMUNITY TONIGHT.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF REQUESTS, HOWEVER, UM, ONE IS UNDERSTAND OUR DECISION IS MADE ON FACTS, NOT AN OPINION NUMBER ONE.
SO BRING ANY FACTS, YOU CAN'T LOOK CONCERNS.
IF THERE ARE CONCERNS THEY SHOULD BE BROUGHT OUT.
IF THE POINT HAS BEEN MADE BY A PREVIOUS SPEAKER, JUST SAY YOU AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER.
SO WE CAN GET THROUGH EVERYBODY.
I WANT AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE TO GET A CHANCE TO SAY SOMETHING TONIGHT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHERE WE ARE.
SO WE CAN MOVE AHEAD, UH, AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING HOPEFULLY TONIGHT.
IF WE DON'T GET THROUGH EVERYBODY, WE WON'T.
I'D LIKE TO ALLOCATE ABOUT AN HOUR TO THIS TONIGHT AT MAXIMUM.
UH, WE HAVE TWO OTHER, UH, ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT THAT, UH, REQUIRE ATTENTION THAT ARE BOTH SIGNIFICANT.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, UM, MR. UH, SCHMIDT, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE? SURE.
AND MS. DAVIS, OUR ALTERNATE HERE.
MR. SCHMIDT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT? I DO.
I DO HAVE A BRIEF, UH, STATEMENT AND AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ MENTIONED, CASE NUMBER PB 1736 ZICO SUBDIVISION FOR VACANT PROPERTIES LOCATED ALONG OLD COLONY ROAD PO HARTSDALE AND THE R TEN ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT.
AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ INDICATED, THE APPLICANT SEEKS PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS IN CONNECTION WITH ITS PROPOSAL CONSISTING OF A SUBDIVISION OF TWO EXISTING TAX LOTS IN ORDER TO CREATE FOUR ZONING COMPLIANT LOTS FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONSTRUCTING FOUR NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES.
AS MENTIONED AT THE APRIL 20TH WORK SESSION, WHEN THIS PROJECT FIRST CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD AS PART OF TWO PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCES HELD IN JANUARY AND APRIL, 2018, THE APPLICANT HAD PROPOSED VARIOUS LAYOUTS INVOLVING A 10 LOT RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION AS A RESULT OF THIS BOARD'S REVIEW OF THE PROJECT, ALONG WITH INPUT FROM TOWN STAFF, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, PLANNING DEPARTMENT, BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND POLICE DEPARTMENT TRAFFIC AND SAFETY UNIT, AS WELL AS INPUT FROM ITS TRAFFIC CONSULTANT JOHN CANNING, WHO IS HERE WITH US THIS EVENING.
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THE APPLICANT SUBSTANTIALLY REVISED ITS PLANS TO ITS PRESENT CONFIGURATION CONSISTING OF A FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION.ON JUNE 4TH, 2019, THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL ISSUED A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION WITH CONDITIONS ON THE APPLICANT'S WETLAND, WATERCOURSE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATIONS.
THE PLANNING BOARD PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD ON JUNE 5TH, 2019.
SINCE THEN, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN WORKING TO ADDRESS COMMENTS ISSUED BY THE TOWNS BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS AND CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY METRO NORTH RAILROAD AND NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS PREDOMINANTLY RELATED TO DRAINAGE, WHICH HAD ELABORATED ON AT THE APRIL 20TH WORK SESSION.
WHILE I WILL LET THE APPLICANT UPDATE THE BOARD AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ON THESE MATTERS IN MORE DETAIL, OUR OFFICE DID RECEIVE NOTIFICATION FROM THE TOWN'S BUREAU OF ENGINEERING THAT THE PROJECT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED SATISFIES THE TOWN'S REQUIREMENTS REGARDING STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS AND OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO MR. ZAPPI.
UH, BEFORE WE DO MR. SCHMIDT, I THINK WE NEED TO DO SEEKER, DON'T WE? YES.
THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT.
I HAVE SOMEONE IN THE WAITING ROOM.
WE DID CIRCULATE A DRAFT, UH, SEEKER DETERMINATION BEFORE THAT IS CONSIDERED.
THE PROJECT DOES QUALIFY AS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SEEKER.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS? AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SEEKER.
NOW WE HAVE A EGG DECK, I THINK IS WHAT WE, WE HAD PUT IN.
UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT OR DO I HAVE A MOTION TO, TO, TO MAKE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION UNDER SEEKER? IS THAT MR. SIMON? YEAH.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT THE WEEK, UH, MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT THIS IS, UH, WAIT A MINUTE.
UM, WELL, I MISREAD SOMETHING.
SO WE DO HAVE A DRAFT NEGATIVE DECLARATION RIGHT? PREPARED BY STAFF THAT WAS CIRCULATED IN YOUR PACKAGES, RIGHT? DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT, TO ACCEPT THE DRAFT, DRAFT NEGATIVE DECLARATION? IT'S ALL MOVED.
MR. HAY, I SECOND MR. SIMON SECONDS.
OKAY, NOW WE, NOW WE CAN TURN IT OVER TO MR. ZAPPY.
MR. ZAPPY, WHAT I'D LIKE YOU TO DO AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS, I'D LIKE YOU DON'T, WE, I WANT TO GIVE AS MUCH TIME TO THE, OBVIOUSLY TO THE PUBLIC AS POSSIBLE, BUT I DO WANT LIKE A COUPLE MINUTE BRIEF HISTORY AND WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DEALING WITH FOR THE LAST, UH, YEAR OR SO ON THIS AS WELL.
SO, GOOD EVENING MR. TRUMAN, BOARD MEMBERS, UH, BRIAN ZAPPY, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, UH, HERE ON BEHALF OF ZAPPY CO REAL ESTATE.
UM, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A BRIEF RECAP.
UH, WE INITIALLY SUBMITTED THIS PROJECT BACK IN 2017.
UM, WE SUBMITTED A 10 LOT SUBDIVISION, UM, PROPOSING A CONSERVATION DISTRICT OVERLAY, UM, CLUSTERING ALL THE UNITS.
BASICALLY THE, THE PREFERRED LAYOUT WAS CLUSTERING ALL THE UNITS UP ON OLD COLONY.
WE DID, HOWEVER, SUBMIT THREE DIFFERENT LAYOUTS, UM, WITH AN ALTERNATIVE, SOME UP ON O COLONY, SOME DOWN ON THE BOTTOM.
UM, SINCE THEN WE WORKED WITH TOWN STAFF THAT 10 LOT SUBDIVISION BASED ON SITE DISTANCE, STEEP SLOPES, UM, ROCK, ROCK OUT, CROPPINGS.
UM, THAT 10 LOT SUBDIVISION PLAN GOT REDUCED DOWN TO A SEVEN LOT PLAN, WHICH WE HAD WORKED THROUGH WITH STAFF IN TOWN.
UM, THAT SEVEN LOT PLAN STILL GOT FURTHER REDUCED, UH, TO A FOUR LOT ZONING AND COMPLIANT PLAN.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO EXISTING TAX LOT TAX LOTS AND WE ARE NOW PROPOSING FOUR FOUR SINGLE FAMILY TAX LOTS.
UM, PRETTY MUCH THIS HAS TAKEN ROUGHLY FIVE YEARS TO GET IT TO THE STAGE IT IS NOW.
WE'VE WORKED WITH ALL DIFFERENT TOWN DEPARTMENTS, UM, IN BRINGING THE PLAN UP TO WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW.
LET ME SHARE THE CONTENT AND GIMME ONE SECOND.
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CAN, CAN EVERYBODY SEE THIS? YES.SO WE HAVE, UH, TWO ADJACENT TAX LOTS, TAX LOT 11 AND TAX LOT 12.
THERE ARE OVERSIZED VACANT PARCELS.
UM, THERE IS SOME DRAINAGE THAT COMES DOWN THROUGH THE SITE, AS YOU'LL SEE ON, UH, THE TOP OF, UH, TAX LOT 11 RIGHT UP IN HERE.
I'LL SCROLL DOWN OVER HERE TO WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY PROPOSING.
YOU WILL SEE FOUR SINGLE FAMILY LOTS.
UM, THERE IS A DRAINAGE AND ACCESS EASEMENT THAT RUNS THROUGH LOTS THREE AND LOT FOUR.
THAT IS THAT SHADED RES, SHADED REGION RIGHT HERE.
UM, WE'VE HAD SOME RECENT COMMENTS FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT REGARDING THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAYS, UM, WHICH WE HAVE CALLED OUT HERE.
UM, LEMME JUST SCROLL DOWN HERE.
SO THE PROPOSED UTILITIES, UM, THERE'S SEWER WATER IN OLD COLONY ROAD.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING SINGLE SERVICES TO EACH OF THE RESIDENCES.
UM, THESE SHADED REGIONS IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSES ARE STORM WATER INFILTRATION UNITS.
UM, WE DESIGNED THE STORM WATER TO HANDLE UP TO A HUNDRED YEAR STORM EVENT.
THE TOWN REQUIRES A 25 YEAR STORM EVENT.
WE HAVE OVERSIZED ALL OF THESE STORM, ALL OF, UH, THE INFILTRATION UNITS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO RUNOFF COMING FROM THIS SITE.
SCROLLING THROUGH HERE, WE HAVE THE SEDIMENT EROSION CONTROL PLAN.
UM, ON THIS PLAN, BASICALLY THIS SHOWS HOW WE PREVENT AND CONTROL, UH, ALL SEDIMENT AND EROSION CONTROL, ANYTHING THAT COULD POSSIBLY COME OFF THE SITE.
WE HAVE A CONSTRUCTION SEQUENCE UP HERE AT THE TOP, WHICH BASICALLY DESCRIBES IN BRIEF DETAIL, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.
UM, WHICH MORE OR LESS SAYS WE'RE GONNA COME IN CLEAR THE TREES.
WE'LL HAVE A TEMPORARY STAGING AREA IN THE FRONT OF THE LOTS, UM, FOR UTILITY OR FOR DELIVERIES AND VEHICLES WHICH HAVE TO COME TO AND FROM THE SITE.
THIS WAY THERE'S NO TRAFFIC ISSUES ON OLD COLONY ROAD.
UM, SCROLLING DOWN HERE, THIS IS THE STEEP SLOPES PLAN.
UM, YOU'LL SEE MOST OF THE AREA IN BETWEEN THESE LOTS IS BASICALLY FLAT.
UM, WE'RE PRESERVING MOST OF THE STEEP PORTIONS OF THE SITE, WHICH IS ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION FOR THE MOST PART, UM, WHICH YOU CAN SEE BY LOT.
ONE SCROLLING DOWN THROUGH HERE.
THIS IS, UM, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
SO THIS IS ALL THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING.
UM, EACH OF THE LOTS IS CONFORMING TO THE, UH, NEWISH TOWN CODE.
UM, IS TERMS IN TERMS OF, UH, TREE REMOVAL AND, UH, REFORESTATION.
UH, WE'RE PROPOSING LANDSCAPING ALL ALONG THE SIDES, FRONTS AND REAR OF THE PROPOSED RESIDENCES.
UM, I BELIEVE THE TOTAL LANDSCAPING IS ALMOST AT A ONE-TO-ONE RATIO.
UM, SO BASICALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS FOR EVERY TREE THAT COMES DOWN, THERE'S GONNA BE ONE COMING BACK.
UM, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN HERE.
WE HAVE SOME SECTION PROFILES AND UTILITIES, UM, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN HERE.
SO, UM, TRAFFIC AND SITE DISTANCE AND SAFETY WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS RAISED BY THE PUBLIC, UH, MULTIPLE TIMES.
WE DID, UM, SITE DISTANCE ANALYSIS.
SO THIS BASICALLY SHOWS EACH OF THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAYS, UM, LOOKS AT THE VEHICLES COMING, GOING AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A CLEAR LINE OF SIGHT.
SO, UH, AS PART OF THIS, WE HAVE SOME PROPOSED SITE EASEMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE, UM, UH, RECORDED WITH WESTCHESTER COUNTY.
UM, AND I GUESS I WILL LET JOHN CANNING, UM, TOUCH A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY.
UM, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THIS WAS, UH, THIS WAS THE PLAN THAT WAS FINALLY VETTED OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST FIVE YEARS WITH THE TOWN.
I'LL BRING IT BACK UP HERE TO THE, UH, TO THE FRONT PAGE OF WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY PROPOSING.
ONE OTHER THING, MR. UH, ABBY.
UM, IN TERMS OF LOT ONE, I BELIEVE WE'VE HAD THE DISCUSSION THAT LOT ONE, ALTHOUGH IT'S LARGE ENOUGH TECHNICALLY UNDER THE ZONING CODE FOR, UH, A, A ANOTHER SUBDIVISION, UH, I BELIEVE YOU'VE AGREED NOT TO, TO BE SUB SURVIVE.
SO, UM, THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE R 10 ZONE, WHICH HAS A 10,000 MINIMUM SQUARE FOOT, UH, LOT AREA.
UM, THERE ARE SOME DEDUCTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT IN TERMS OF, UH, STEEP SLOPES, BUT YES, WE DO AGREE TO NO LONGER OR MAKE SURE THAT NO FURTHER SUBDIVISIONS CAN HAPPEN.
SO THIS WILL BE A FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION.
ALSO, ALSO, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT HAD COME UP EARLY AND I KNOW YOU'VE DONE SOME WORK IN, THIS WAS THE FLOODING THAT WAS ON, ON THE PIPELINE BELOW.
UM, YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN ADDRESSING THAT WITH THE TOWN.
DO YOU WANNA DESCRIBE TO THE COMMUNITY WHAT, UH, YOU'VE DONE, DONE IN TERMS OF
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THAT, PLEASE? YES.SO LET ME SCROLL RIGHT UP IN HERE ONTO, UH, TAX LOT 11.
UM, YOU'LL SEE RIGHT HERE, THIS LITTLE SQUARE, WHAT THAT IS, THAT'S A, A HEAD WALL.
SO ALL OF, THERE'S ABOUT A 20 ACRE WATERSHED, WHICH MEANS THERE'S A LOT OF WATER COMING FROM OFFSITE, UM, ONTO OUR PROPERTY.
IT'S COMING FROM UPSTREAM, UH, PROPERTIES, ROADS.
UM, THERE'S ALL THIS OFFSITE WATER THAT COMES AND JUST DUMPS ONTO THE PROPERTY.
THAT WATER, ONCE IT DUMPS ONTO THE PROPERTY, TRAVELS THROUGH THIS LITTLE, UH, DRAINAGE DITCH AND IS INTENDED TO BE CAUGHT BY THIS PIPE DOWN BELOW HERE, THIS 18 INCH ROUND CONCRETE PIPE.
UM, WHAT WE FOUND IS THROUGH NUMEROUS STUDIES BACK AND FORTH, UM, A LOT OF WATER IS COMING DOWN THERE TO THAT, THAT PIPE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, AND IT, IT CAN'T HANDLE THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT'S COMING DOWN.
UM, BASICALLY ALL THE SEDIMENT DEBRIS GETS ACCUMULATED IN THIS PIPE, AND IT'S CAUSING ROUTINE MAINTENANCE FOR THE TOWN, AND IT'S CAUSING FLOODING ONTO AQUEDUCT DRIVE PIPELINE.
UM, SO PART OF OUR PROPOSAL IS THIS PIPE SECTION SHOWN HERE.
YOU'LL SEE THIS DRAIN MANHOLE HERE IS WE ARE NOW PROPOSING TO CAPTURE THIS WATER, SO IT'S NO LONGER GONNA FLOW THROUGH AN OPEN CHANNEL, AND WE ARE GOING TO CONNECT IT TO THE DRAIN BACK TO WHERE IT IS NOW, THIS PIPE HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO HANDLE THE ENTIRE UPSTREAM WATERSHED.
UM, WE HAVE DESIGNED IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH TOWN CODE.
WE HAVE, UM, SIZED IT, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT IT CAN SAFELY CONVEY THE FLOWS THROUGH THE PROPERTY AND ALL THE WAY OUT.
UM, ALL THESE PIPE IMPROVEMENTS ARE GONNA BE DONE AT OUR EXPENSE.
AND, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL NO LONGER HAVE, UH, ANY ISSUES OR FLOODING DOWN ON PIPELINE.
THIS WILL ALLEVIATE A LOT OF PROBLEMS FOR THE TOWN AND FOR THE, UH, TRAVELERS ALONG ADUCTIVE PIPELINE.
UM, UNLESS THERE ARE OTHER BURNING QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, I'D LIKE YOU TO GO DIRECTLY TO THE PUBLIC.
IS THERE ANYTHING VERY SPECIFIC FROM THE BOARD? UM, IF NOT, I'M GOING DIRECT.
I'D LIKE TO GO DIRECTLY TO THE PUBLIC.
A, UH, AARON, DO YOU HAVE A LIST OF PEOPLE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK THIS EVENING? I THINK WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM THAN HAD ORIGINALLY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, IF WE COULD JUST, UM, ASK EVERYONE TO USE THE RAISE YOUR HAND FUNCTION, AND WE WILL GET TO EVERYONE BASED ON THAT.
DOES EVERYONE KNOW HOW TO USE THAT FUNCTION THROUGH THE ZOOM? IF NOT, YOU CAN RAISE YOUR HAND, YOU KNOW, MUCH LIKE I'M DOING NOW, AND WE WILL CALL UPON EVERYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK.
THEY TYPICALLY, TYPICAL WE USE, TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO IS HAVE PEOPLE REGISTER AND, AND THEN GO ON ZOOM THAT.
AND SO WE HAVE A LIST, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE THAN REGISTERED ON ZOOM.
SO TONIGHT WHAT WE'LL DO IS, SINCE EVERY ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK, JUST RAISE YOUR HAND.
MR. SCHNAPPS, UH, IS RAISED HIS HAND.
MR. SCHNAT, YOU'RE ON, YOU'RE ON, UH, MUTE, MR. SCHNITT.
AND, AND BEFORE, I'M SORRY, BEFORE MR. SCHNITT SPEAKS, UM, THANK YOU MS. F*G FOR REMINDING US.
BUT, UH, THERE WAS CORRESPONDENCE PROVIDED TWO PIECES OF CORRESPONDENCE THAT WERE RECEIVED THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT.
ONE FROM MR. AND MS. FELMAN OF THE GREEN RIDGE CIVIC ASSOCIATION, WHICH INCLUDED COMMENTS FROM OTHER CIVIC ASSOCIATION MEMBERS.
THOSE CAME IN, WERE FORWARDED TO THE PLANNING BOARD, FORWARDED TO THE APPLICANT, AND MADE PART OF THE OFFICIAL RECORD FOR THE PROJECT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT.
AND, AND FEEL FREE, MR. SCHON AND, AND THE FELDMANS.
I THINK YOU'RE BOTH THERE, UM, TO REITERATE ANYTHING THAT WAS IN THOSE LETTERS AS PART OF YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS THIS EVENING.
CHAIRMAN SCHWARTZ, OR YOU? HELLO.
UM, MS. FELDMAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK FIRST ON BEHALF OF THE GREEN BRIDGE ASSOCIATION? UH, I HAVE ONE PARTICULAR LINE OF THOUGHT THAT REALLY FOCUSES ON TRAFFIC AND SOME OF THE PARTICULAR CONCERNS I HAVE BECAUSE I'M A NEIGHBOR OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
I'M HAPPY IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO FIRST, IF THAT'S YOUR SCHEDULE.
I, MAYBE SHE'S NOT WITH US OR SHE'S ON MUTE.
SO, OLD COLONY ROAD, AS YOU KNOW, TRAVELING, UH, IN A ORDERLY DIRECTION IS EXTREMELY STEEP.
AND IT, AND AT THE FOOT OF OLD COLONY ROAD IS THE CURRENT, UH, HIGH SCHOOL.
THERE IS A PARKING FACILITY THERE.
UM, AND THE HIGH SCHOOL JUST DETERMINED AND STARTED A DEVELOPMENT WHEREBY THEY'RE ABOUT TO ALLOW A TRAFFIC FLOW FROM THE ENTRANCE OF THE HIGH
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SCHOOL TO THE REAR, UH, OF THE HIGH SCHOOL.WHEN I SAY REAR THE BACK OF THE HIGH SCHOOL BY OLD COLONY ROAD, THAT IS GONNA OPEN UP SOMETIME.
I DON'T KNOW WHO IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, AS EARLY AS THIS FALL OR SOMETHING.
WE DON'T KNOW PRECISELY HOW OFTEN THAT ROUTE IS GOING TO BE OPEN, BUT WE KNOW THAT THIS IS PART OF THE HIGH SCHOOL'S MASTER PLAN, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.
JOHN, DOES THAT COME TO GO JUST FROM THE FACULTY PARKING LOTS? DO YOU KNOW? UH, THE, UH, SO RIGHT NOW THERE IS A PARKING LOT RIGHT NOW THAT'S USED BY BOTH FACULTY AND STUDENTS AND, AND WHOMEVER.
IT'S, I'M, I'M TOLD, AND I BELIEVE THIS IS A PUBLIC RECORD, THAT THAT PARKING FACILITY IS GOING TO BE EXPANDED AND IT'S GOING TO CONNECT TO THE REST OF THE PARKING IN FRONT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL.
AND THAT'S GOING TO, IN FACT, CONNECT TO OLD OAK LANE.
YOU KNOW, I WAS HOPING THAT THE SCHOOL WOULD DO SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND TRY TO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE, YOU KNOW, FOR TRAFFIC FLOW TO COME OUT ON CENTRAL AVENUE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, KNOW THE, THAT'S WHERE THE FIELDS REALLY BORDER, YOU KNOW, THE BURGER KING, THE YO BURGER KING OR WHATEVER, RIGHT.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.
YEARS AND YEARS AGO, I WAS INVOLVED WITH A, A BRIEF, BUT, UH, IN MY FAMILY, A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DISPUTE WHERE THERE WAS A BUS WHERE ALL THE KIDS THAT WENT TO SEALY PLACE FROM OUR COMMUNITY, AND THERE WERE A LOT OF THEM.
THERE WERE 15, 20 KIDS, UH, USED TO HAVE FREE BUSING AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, UH, AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, A CONTROVERSIAL MEASURE.
THEY DECIDED THAT NO, IN FACT, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DID NOT NEED TO PROVIDE BUSING, EVEN THOUGH, IN MY VIEW, IT WAS MORE THAN A MILE, AND THAT THERE WAS NO PUBLICLY AVAILABLE ROUTE.
UH, I DON'T WANNA GET INTO THE LEGALITIES OF IT.
PLEASE FOCUS ON, ON YOUR POINT FROM THAT IF YOU COULD.
BUT THE, BUT THE POINT BEING IS THAT OVER THE YEARS, THAT TURNS OUT WE DON'T HAVE THE BUS.
SO EVERY, EVERY MORNING, AND OF COURSE EVERY AFTERNOON, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY TO THE HIGH SCHOOL, BUT THEN ALSO TO SEALY PLACE, AND THEN BACK FROM SEALY PLACE TO THE OLD COLONY ROAD, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, IN THE MORNING FROM WHEREVER TO THE PARKING FACILITY AT THE TOP OF THE HIGH SCHOOL.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE SAME THING AT THREE O'CLOCK.
SO THAT'S HAS ADDED OVER THE YEARS TO THE TRAFFIC FLOW.
AND OF COURSE, THE, YOU KNOW, EDGEMONT IS GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, DENSE WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE CLASSES.
WE HAVE NEW DRIVERS COMING OUT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL, AND WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE DROPPING OFF THEIR KIDS OR WHATEVER, AND THEN THEY'RE IN A BIG RUSH TO GET OUT OF THERE.
THERE ARE NUMEROUS BLIND SPOTS.
IT'S EXTREMELY DANGEROUS RIGHT NOW GET ABOUT, WITH RESPECT TO THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS, THERE ARE, UH, PLACES ALONG OLD COLONY ROAD, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'RE TRAVELING NORTH DOWN THE HILL, WHERE, UH, THERE IS NO REDUCTION IN TRAFFIC SPEED, EVEN THOUGH WHERE, LIKE RIGHT NEXT TO THE SCHOOL, WHICH IS ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE.
AND YOU CANNOT SEE BEYOND THE TURN.
SOME OF THE PROBLEM DOES HAVE TO DO WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, HOMEOWNERS PUSHING OUT THEIR SHRUBBERY AND TREES AND WHATNOT, YOU KNOW, ONTO TOWN ROAD PROPERTY, WHICH I THINK, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THIS NEW SUBDIVISION DIVISION AND EVERYTHING, THAT WILL HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFULLY ENFORCED.
BUT I'M ALSO VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SPEED THAT THESE PEOPLE BUILD UP.
AND IT WAS MENTIONED TO ME, MAYBE AARON SAID IT TO ME, OH, THERE WASN'T, UH, THERE HASN'T BEEN PEOPLE ON RECORD GETTING KILLED OR INJURED OR THIS OR THAT.
WELL, I CAN TELL YOU FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF ROADKILL ON OLD COLONY ROAD, AND A DOG HAS BEEN EITHER HIT OR KILLED THERE FOR SURE.
I'VE SEEN TONS OF CLOSE CALLS.
I PERSONALLY SHUTTER EVERY TIME I TRY TO BACK OUTTA MY DRIVEWAY.
AND THERE'S ALSO THE DELIVERY TRUCKS.
THERE'S NO ALL HARDLY ANY PARKING ALONG OLD COLONY ROAD.
UH, ZAPPY IS, IS SAYING THAT HE'S GONNA HAVE SOME PLACE WHERE HE CAN PARK HIS, UH, CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS OR WHATNOT, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE A BIG PROBLEM DURING, YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS PLACE IS BEING, WHEN THERE'S CONSTRUCTION.
SO, UM, WHILE I'M CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY CONCERNED, 'CAUSE AFTER THE NEIGHBOR OF THE PROPERTY, I'M VERY GLAD THAT THERE'S A BUFFER BETWEEN MY PROPERTY AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT THE HOUSE.
I'M, I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE TAKING DOWN THE TREES.
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SAID HE'S GONNA BE PLANTING NEW TREES AND WHATNOT.BUT JUST CIRCLING BACK TO THE BEGINNING, AND I'LL LET MS. FELDMAN CONTINUE WITH HER CONCERNS.
THE TRAFFIC SITUATION IS ALREADY TERRIBLE, SO IT'S GONNA GET WORSE.
IT IS WHAT IT IS, BUT THIS IS THE TIME TO DEAL WITH IT.
AND MAYBE WE NEED SPEED LIMIT REDUCTIONS.
MAYBE WE NEED TO ENFORCE PINNING BACK THOSE SHRUBS FROM EVERYBODY ALONG THAT, THAT AREA.
WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO, WE NEED TO DO IT.
OR I AM TELLING YOU, SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BE KILLED.
I DON'T, I I'M SAYING THAT ON THE RECORD.
'CAUSE I WANT IT ON THE RECORD.
I'VE BEEN NERVOUS ABOUT THIS FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW, AND I'M HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO GET OFF MY CHEST, CHEST TONIGHT.
SO FOR, AND, AND WE WILL TALK TO SERGEANT REON AND THE POLICE ABOUT THAT.
MR. CANNING HOPEFULLY CAN COMMENT ON, ON WHAT COMMON ISSUES COULD BE DONE ON THE ROAD IN A FEW MINUTES.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE DIDN'T HAVE A SAY AND ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE A SAY IN WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BUILDS.
SO IF WE DID, WE MAY HAVE, MAY HAVE BEEN, BEEN WITH YOU ON THAT.
WE HADN'T LOOKED AT IT IN DETAIL, BUT I FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ISSUES HAVE BEEN UP, UP IN THAT AREA.
UH, I GUESS IT WAS MS. FELDMAN WAS NEXT.
UM, SO, UH, WE SUBMITTED OUR, OUR CONCERNS VIA A LETTER.
AND SO I, EXCUSE ME FOR A MINUTE.
UH, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT, UH, BECAUSE WE, UH, THIS IS BEING, UM, TRANSCRIBED, CAN YOU STATE YOUR FULL NAME, UM, ON THE RECORD, MS. FELDMAN? MY NAME IS SHANNON FELDMAN.
SO ALL, ALL I WAS GONNA SAY IS WE, WE HAD A, A NUMBER OF CONCERNS THAT WE EXPRESSED IN THE LETTER THAT WE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, I DON'T FEEL A NEED TO, YOU KNOW, LIST ALL OF THEM OUT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE WERE PRETTY THOROUGH IN THE, UH, CONCERNS THAT WE HAD.
AND WE ASKED BECAUSE WE'RE THE PRESIDENTS OF THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION, WE ASKED FOR ANY CONCERNS ANY NEIGHBORS HAD.
SO WE SORT OF, UH, COLLECTED A SET OF CONCERNS FROM NEIGHBORS THAT HAD, UM, THAT NEIGHBORS MADE US AWARE OF PLUS CONCERNS WE HAD OURSELVES.
AND THEY ARE AS, UH, AS I BELIEVE GARRETT SAID, THEY'VE BEEN SUBMITTED INTO THE, INTO THE RECORD FOR THE PLANNING ORDER TO CONSIDER.
AND EVERYBODY'S READ THEM, MS. FILLMAN, AND THEY WILL BE CONSIDERED.
AND, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL ASK THE DEVELOPER TO ADDRESS MANY OF THOSE CONCERNS.
I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE BUSY AND IT'S LONG NIGHT, SO THAT'S WHY WE WROTE 'EM DOWN, SO YOU HAVE THEM.
UH, I THINK MS. DEBELL WAS NEXT, HAD HER HAND RAISED.
UM, NICOLE DEBELL, UM, I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND
WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE WATER TABLE AND WATER RETENTION RUNOFF ISSUES.
UM, MS. DEBELL, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT YOUR ADDRESS IS AND WHERE YOU ARE IN RELATION TO THIS THAT MAY HELP, UH, IN, UH, HELP IN GETTING THAT ANSWER TO YOU? SURE.
SO PROBABLY LIKE FOUR HOUSES AWAY FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
UM, ANY OTHER SPEAKERS FROM, UH, THE COMMUNITY? I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER HANDS.
DON'T SEE ANY OTHER HANDS EITHER.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? UM, UH, I JUST SAW ONE AND IT JUST LEFT.
WHERE DID IT, I SAW SOMEONE RAISING HER HAND AND I, MR. MR. STEIN'S RAISING HIS HAND.
I SAID MS. T UH, UH, LAUREN TANNIN FIRST, AND THEN THEN YOU, BOB AFTERWARDS.
I'M AT 2 46 OLD COLONY AND WE'RE, UM, JUST, IF YOU WILL, UP THE STREET TOWARDS THE HIGH SCHOOL, UM, MAYBE SIX OR SEVEN HOUSES FROM THE SCHNAPPS.
UM, AND I AM, UM, AN AVID RUNNER.
I RUN UP AND DOWN OLD COLONY ROAD PRETTY MUCH EVERY DAY.
I'M SURE MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN ME DO.
SO, UM, AND I WOULD SAY MY, MY, OUR
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MAIN CONCERN IS WE ARE AT THE TOP HALF OF OLD COLONY ROAD WHERE THE TOWN, UM, PUT SOME PARKING RESTRICTIONS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE JUNIORS AND SENIORS PARKING UP CLOSER TO MY HOUSE.UM, AND WHAT I DO WORRY ABOUT IS THE IDEA THAT, UM, MR. SCHNAPPS WAS, WAS FOCUSING ON, WHICH IS, UM, THE TRAFFIC IS TRULY INSANE.
UM, AND MAYBE MORE IMPORTANTLY, SINCE I HAPPEN TO BE RUNNING DURING THE PERIOD OF TIME WHERE THERE'S DELIVERIES AND TRUCKS, UM, AND I'VE SEEN THE BLIND CURVE WITH, AS I'M RUNNING, I WORRY WHERE WE WORRY ABOUT THE IDEA THAT EVEN THOUGH THERE'S GOING TO BE STAGING AREAS, UM, AS MR. ZAPPI SAID, UM, FOR ALL THE CONSTRUCTION LOTS, MY CONCERN IS THAT THOSE ARE NOT RESPECTED.
UM, THE, THE DELIVERY TRUCKS AND EVERYTHING THAT COMES UP ON OUR STREET IS REALLY JUST TRULY NOT RESPECTED, AND THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT WHATSOEVER.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE, UM, GREENBURG POLICE HERE TAKING A LOOK AT THINGS.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT THE TRAFFIC IS NOT OUT OF CONTROL.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, OUR, EVEN OUR MAILMAN, WHO'S THE SWEETEST THING ON THE PLANET, PARKS LITERALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET AND HOPS OUT, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE JUST ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE ON OUR STREET.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A MAJOR CONCERN FOR US AS PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE DRIVING BACK AND FORTH AND WATCHING THE SENIORS AND JUNIORS AND THE FACULTY RUSH TO GET TO SCHOOL, UM, OR RUSH HOME AS THE CASE MAY BE.
UM, AND THERE'S REALLY JUST NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT.
SO ADDING FOUR CONSTRUCTION LOTS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER AT THE SAME TIME OR NOT, I WAS NOT ABLE TO REALLY SEE WHAT THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN WAS.
SO I WAS APPRECIATIVE THAT, UM, MR. ZAPPY SAID THAT THERE WAS A CONSTRUCTION PLAN, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW, LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHERE, WHERE IS EVERYTHING GOING TO BE DELIVERED, UM, AND HOW IS THAT ALL GOING TO WORK OUT? UM, BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN TRUCKS GET STUCK ON THAT VERY TIGHT CURVE.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD HAVE TO SAY FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE.
UM, AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S OF GREAT CONCERN TO US.
NOW, THE OTHER THING THAT I WAS THINKING WAS REALLY, UM, THAT AREA HAS A LOT OF BEDROCK.
UM, AND WE ARE GOING THROUGH A SIMILAR THING BECAUSE WE UNDER, WE DID A CERTAIN LAND SURVEY ON OUR, OUR PROPERTY AS WELL.
AND I'M WONDERING, ARE, IS THERE GOING TO BE BLASTING, IS THERE GOING TO BE LIKE, ARE ARE OUR HOUSES POTENTIALLY? I MEAN, I REALIZE MY HOUSE IS PROBABLY A LITTLE TOO FAR FOR IT TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, IMPACTED, BUT MR. SCHNAPPS IS RIGHT THERE.
UM, MS. DELLO IS FOUR HOUSES AWAY, YOU KNOW, IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.
ARE THERE PEOPLE, LIKE, ARE WE, ARE OUR HOUSES GOING TO BE POTENTIALLY IMPACTED BY THAT? SO I, THAT WAS ANOTHER QUESTION THAT WASN'T REALLY, UM, THAT I FORGOT TO MENTION TO, UH, SHANNON.
UM, AS PART OF THE COMMENTS, LET ME ASK, LET ME ANSWER.
SO I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
THANK YOU MR. SCHWARTZ AND THE BOARD.
WELL LET, JUST, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTION, THE BLAST, LEMME A, AN ANSWER THE BLASTING QUESTION.
IF THERE, IS THERE A NEED TO BE BLASTING? WE HAVE A BLASTING PROTOCOL IN THIS TOWN THAT IS VERY, VERY STRICT.
THERE IS MONITORING THAT GOES ON THERE IS PRE, THEY LOOK AT THE PREEXISTING CONDITION.
AARON, IS IT WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE BLASTING? UH, I WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK, BUT IT IS, IT IS A FAIR DISTANCE.
AND, AND THEY LOOK AT PREEXISTING AND THEY MONITOR THE HOUSES AS, AS WE GO FORWARD, WE HAVE A VERY, VERY DETAILED BLASTING LAW THAT'S LEAST RIGHT, BUT, BUT LEAST OF YOUR, BUT IF WE GET NOTICE OF THAT, LIKE, I LIVE ON THE STREET, AM I GOING TO BE RECEIVING NOTICE OF THAT? I'VE GOT THREE SMALL CHILDREN, LIKE ONE OF MY KIDS WALKS TO THE HIGH SCHOOL.
YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, AARON, THAT THAT'S NOT A CONCERN.
SO I, I THINK FIRST WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS CONTINUE RECEIVING THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
BECAUSE I DID SPEAK WITH MR. ZAPPY ABOUT THE INTENTIONS OF THE DEVELOPER WITH RESPECT TO ROCK REMOVAL.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
I'M ACTUALLY TAKING NOTES AND I'M GOING TO REITERATE WHAT I HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC BEFORE MR. ZAPPY ANSWERS.
BUT, UH, MR. BURS, THANK YOU ALL WAS NEXT.
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TERA? YEAH.UH, I LIVE AT 48 OLD COLONY ROAD.
I'VE LIVED THERE FOR ABOUT 32 YEARS.
UH, SO I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH OLD COLONY ROAD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND EDGEMONT GENERALLY, UH, I WANT TO, UH, SPEAK TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS RAISED, UH, IN THE LETTER THAT SHANNON, UH, AND JASON FELDMAN SENT, UM, SPECIFICALLY, UH, I WANT TO, UM, UH, ADDRESS THE CONCERN ABOUT THE FLOODING AND THE MITIGATION MEASURES, UH, TO ENSURE THAT, UM, THERE IS SAFEGUARD IN THE EVENT THAT THE PROCESS DOESN'T WORK OR THAT THE PROJECT HAS TO BE ABANDONED, MID-CONSTRUCTION, WHICH WOULD LEAVE THE WHOLE AREA EXPOSED.
SO I WANTED TO, UH, STRESS THE NEED FOR A PERFORMANCE BOND, UH, OR SOME OTHER KIND OF SURETY TO ENSURE THAT, UH, THERE IS PROTECTION IN THE EVENT OF ANY CESSATION OF CONSTRUCTION.
ALONG THOSE LINES, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH METRO NORTH.
UH, FOR THOSE ON THE CALL, UH, MY NEIGHBORS, UH, WHO MAY NOT BE AWARE, UH, METRO NORTH IS GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY THIS BECAUSE THE WATER THAT'S GOING TO BE PIPED OFF THE HILL AND DOWN THE ROAD DOWN PIPELINE IS GOING TO GO TO A CULVERT THAT WILL, UH, EMPTY UNDERNEATH THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
AND METRO NORTH WAS CONTACTED ABOUT THIS AND, AND, UH, UH, HAS NOT SIGNED OFF ON IT.
UH, AND THE LAST THING I SAW IN THE RECORD, UH, WAS, UH, MR. ZAPPA'S COMMENT THAT, UH, THEY'VE DONE ALL THEY CAN DO WITH METRO NORTH, UH, AND THERE, THERE'S NOTHING FURTHER TO BE DONE.
UH, UH, WE, THERE WAS A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST FILED TO GET THE CORRESPONDENCE.
UH, THE TOWN ATTORNEY, DAVID FREED, ASKED FOR THE SAME CORRESPONDENCE WE SAW, I THINK, WHAT DAVID RECEIVED.
UH, AND IT'S NOT VERY SATISFYING.
SO THE QUESTION BECOMES, AND I I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE IN ANY PROJECT IN GREENBURG, IN ALL THE YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE, WHERE METRO NORTH HAS, HAS, UH, RAISED AN OBJECTION.
UH, THE TOWN NEVERTHELESS SAYS IT'S OKAY WITH US.
UH, IT SAT THE, THE, THE PROPOSAL SATISFIES OUR DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, I'M IN NO POSITION TO JUDGE WHETHER IT IS OR IT ISN'T.
BUT I DO HAVE A CONCERN AS A HOMEOWNER AND A RESIDENT THAT WHAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS NOT JUST DURING CONSTRUCTION, BUT POST-CONSTRUCTION, UH, THAT RESULTS IN METRO NORTH HAVING A PROBLEM AND SEEKING TO HOLD THE REST OF US ACCOUNTABLE FOR GOING AHEAD WITH A PROJECT OVER ITS OBJECTION.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE SCOPE OF THAT PROBLEM IS, AND I THINK WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO ADDRESS IT SO THAT, UH, THE NEIGHBORS, THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN ARE NOT EXPOSED IN THE EVENT OF SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, MAJOR, UH, UH, TRAGEDY ARISING FROM THE SUDDEN, UH, FREQUENCY OF THESE, UH, A HUNDRED YEAR STORMS WE KEEP HAVING EVERY FEW YEARS.
UH, THAT'S TO ME, UH, UM, FUNDAMENTAL BEFORE THIS PROJECT CAN GO FORWARD.
UH, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A DISCUSSION PUBLICLY ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE'S EVER BEEN A PROJECT LIKE THAT, UH, EVER, UH, GREEN-LIGHTED BY THE TOWN BEFORE WHERE THERE'S THIS ISSUE.
NEXT, I WANNA RA I WANNA DIS DISCUSS, UH, UH, EMBELLISH A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, THE POINT ABOUT THE DELIVERY TRUCKS.
UH, THIS IS A FACT OF LIFE IN OUR, YOU KNOW, INTERNET ECONOMY.
UH, WE HAVE DELIVERY TRUCKS ALL THE TIME.
IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO US, BUT OLD COLONY ROAD IS A NARROW ROAD.
UH, WE, WE, UH, THERE IS NO PLACE FOR THE DELIVERY TRUCKS TO PULL TO ONE SIDE, UH, WHEN THEY MAKE DELIVERIES, BE IT FEDEX, THE POST OFFICE, UH, U P S AM, YOU KNOW, AMAZON, UH, UH, WHATEVER.
UH, AND, AND YET THIS HAPPENS FREQUENTLY DURING THE DAY.
IT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS, UH, ON THE STEEP SLOPE.
UM, AND, AND I CAN ATTEST BE, UH, I'VE SEEN CARS RUN OFF THE ROAD COMING DOWN, UH, ON AN ICY, UH, UH, WHEN IT, WHEN, UH, OLD COLONY GETS ICY WHEN YOU'RE TRAVELING NORTHBOUND DOWN THE SLOPE.
I'VE SEEN CARS RUN OFF THE ROAD AND RUN INTO THE, UH, THE GUARDRAILS AND, AND WHICH PROTECT THE CARS MOST OF THE TIME FROM GOING INTO THE DEEP RAVINE THAT MR. ZAPPY PROPOSES
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TO BUILD ON.UH, SO, UH, IT'S INHERENTLY DANGEROUS GRANTED, BUT WHAT CAN BE DONE? SO MY SUGGESTION AS TO WHAT CAN BE DONE IS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS WITHIN ITS POWER NOT JUST TO REQUIRE THE BUILDING OF SIDEWALKS, BUT TO REQUIRE A, AN AREA BE SET ASIDE ALONG, UH, ON THE PROPERTY THAT, UH, IS TO BE DEVELOPED FOR TRUCKS TO STOP.
UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, UH, A A LARGE CUTOUT FROM THE LOT, BUT AN AREA THAT COULD SERVICE THE FOUR LOTS TO BE PROPOSED.
UM, THIS WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM SOME OF THEIR YARD SPACE.
UH, AND, AND, UH, BUT THE, THE BENEFIT TO PUBLIC SAFETY WOULD BE ENORMOUS CONSIDERING, UH, THEIR, THESE HOMES ARE GONNA BE BUILT AT THE BOTTOM OF A HILL, CONSIDERING, AS MR. ZAPPY POINTED OUT, UH, THE, UH, THE NEED ALREADY FOR SITE DISTANCE, UH, EASEMENTS, UH, SIGHT LINE EASEMENTS IN ORDER TO, UH, UH, TO, TO PROTECT DRIVERS FROM, UH, THE BLIND CURVES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH ON THIS AREA.
SO I THINK THIS IS AN AREA FOR THE TOWN, FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO HAVE AND STAFF TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. ZAPPY ABOUT CREATING THIS KIND OF A, UM, SPACE FOR DELIVERY TRUCKS TO PULL OVER WHEN THEY'RE MAKING DELIVERIES TO THOSE FOUR SUBDIVISION HOMES.
THEY COULD ALSO BE USED FOR THE HOMES ACROSS THE STREET.
UH, BUT, UH, THAT WOULD BE, UH, A WAY TO MITIGATE WHAT IS CLEARLY A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION, AND ONE THAT IS CLEARLY WITHIN THE AUTHORITY OF THE PLANNING BOARD TO DO, UM, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING ITS, ITS OBLIGATIONS TO HEALTH AND SAFETY AND, YOU KNOW, NOT, UH, AND WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF DEALING WITH SOMETHING, OR THE PARAMETERS OF DEALING WITH SOMETHING THAT CAN AFFECT, UH, THAT, THAT INVOLVES THE, THE, THE PROPERTY ITSELF, THAT'S PROPERTY ITSELF THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED.
UM, THE, UH, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE OTHER AREAS I WANTED TO, OH, AND, AND LASTLY, UH, MY FELLOW NEIGHBORS NEED TO BE AWARE, UH, IF THEY'RE NOT ALREADY, THAT, UH, THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT, WHICH SERVICES US, UM, HAS EXPRESSED RESERVATIONS ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FEEL IT CAN REACH THE REAR OF THESE HOMES.
NOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF HOMES ON OLD COLONY ROAD THAT THE FIRE DISTRICT CAN'T REACH THE REAR OF MINE, FOR EXAMPLE.
UH, BUT, UH, THE, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU WOULD GO AHEAD AND APPROVE, UH, PLANS TO DEVELOP THESE HOMES, WHICH, BY THE WAY, ARE BEING ADVERTISED RIGHT NOW ON MR. ZAPPA'S WEBSITE.
UH, THESE ARE HOMES THAT ARE BEING ADVERTISED FOR 1,000,008 TO $2 MILLION, UH, A PIECE, AND THEY LOOK TERRIFIC.
BUT HOW IS ANYONE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET TO THE REAR OF THEM? NOW? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUGHT TO BE DISCUSSED.
WHAT CAN BE DONE TO IMPROVE THE PLANS TO ALLOW FOR FIRE DEPARTMENT ACCESS TO THE REAR? UM, NOW IS THE TIME TO GET THOSE THINGS ADDRESSED.
UH, AND, AND SO I WOULD, UH, RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU CONSIDER THOSE THINGS, UH, KEEP THE HEARING OPEN, UH, SO THAT WE CAN GET THE RESULTS OF THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT METRO NORTH, WHY THE TOWN FEELS IT'S OKAY TO GO FORWARD, NOTWITHSTANDING METRO NORTH OBJECTION, UH, AND THE, UH, UH, CONSIDERATION OF WHETHER WE CAN HAVE AN AREA SET ASIDE FOR DELIVERY TRUCKS, UH, SO THAT, UH, THEY CAN BE OFF OLD COLONY ROAD WHEN THEY'RE MAKING DELIVERIES, UH, AND MAKE AT LEAST TRY THAT FOR SAFETY.
UH, AND, AND, UH, AND THEN LASTLY, THE FIRE ENGINE, UH, FIRE DISTRICT ISSUE.
I LIVE AT 3 47 OLD COLONY ROAD.
COULD YOU SPEAK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT, PLEASE? SURE.
GIMME JUST ONE SECOND TO, OKAY.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, IT'S BETTER.
I LIVE AT 3 47 OLD COLONY ROAD.
I'M THE HOUSE NEXT TO THE HIGH SCHOOL, NEXT TO WHERE ALL THE PARKING AND WHAT MR. SNES DID NOT, UH, INCLUDE IN HIS CONVERSATION IS THAT THEY ARE BUILDING ADDITIONAL PARKING AT THAT END OF THE SCHOOL, WHICH WILL THEN OPEN UP ONTO OUR STREET AS WELL.
UM, I'VE LIVED ON OLD COLONY ROAD ALSO FOR 32 YEARS.
UH, MR. BERNSTEIN AND I MOVED IN AT THE SAME TIME, AROUND THE SAME TIME.
I WANNA JUST, UM, MY COMMENTS REALLY ARE IN REALLY THREE AREAS.
UM, YOU KNOW, MY NEIGHBOR, OR LAUREN AND JONATHAN BOTH SPOKE ABOUT A LOT OF THE, THE KEY POINTS.
UM, AND MR. BERNSTEIN, YOU KNOW, IS JUST SORT OF CROSSING OFF MY LIST ON THE THINGS I, THE THREE REALLY KEY THINGS FOR ME ARE THE FACT THAT OUR STREET IS VERY NARROW, AND WHERE THESE HOUSES ARE GOING IS, UM, A, A VERY STEEP AND DIFFICULT PART OF THE STREET TO NAVIGATE ON
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THE BEST OF DAYS.I WALK TO AND FROM THE TRAIN STATION MANY, MANY TIMES, MANY DAYS A WEEK.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THERE ARE MANY TIMES THAT EVEN IF, UH, WHEN THE POST OFFICE TRUCK IS, I'M LITERALLY RUN OFF THE ROAD BECAUSE THERE IS NO PLACE FOR ME TO GO.
AND IN THIS AREA IN PARTICULAR, THAT IS AN EXTRAORDINARILY STEEP SECTION OF OLD COLLEY AND LOTS OF BLIND SPOTS, UM, BOTH ON A STRAIGHTAWAY AND ALSO ON THE CURB, AGAIN, WHERE THESE HOUSES ARE GOING TO GO.
IT'S EXTREMELY DANGEROUS FOR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, LET ALONE ALL THE AUTOMOBILES THAT GO THROUGH.
AND, UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME CONSIDERATION FOR THE IMPACT OF THAT AND THE SAFETY.
WE HAVE CHILDREN GOING TO AND FROM THE SCHOOL, WE HAVE, WE HAVE ADULTS GOING TO AND FROM THE TRAIN STATION, A LOT OF US WALK.
AND, UM, SO I'D LIKE IN ALL OF THESE STUDIES THAT TO BE CONSIDERED, UH, SO IT'S THE DELIVERY TRUCKS, IT'S THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AND THE INCREASED VOLUME OF CARS THAT WILL IN FACT BE GOING UP AND DOWN OUR STREET ON A REGULAR BASIS.
THE SECOND AREA, AND PROBABLY THE MOST CONCERNING TO ME, BESIDES THE SAFETY OF OUR, OUR FOLKS WALKING TO AND FROM, IS WE ARE, UM, WE ARE AT AN INFLECTION POINT WITH REGARD TO CLIMATE CHANGE.
AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU ALL THINK.
IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS IN PARTICULAR, WE HAVE HAD MORE EXTREME WEATHER EVENTS, INCREASED PRECIPITATION AND INCREASED HEAT.
AND ALTHOUGH I AM NOT AN ARBORIST, I DO KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T REPLACE ONE FOR ONE ON A TREE.
SO IF YOU TAKE DOWN A 25 YEAR OLD OR 30 YEAR OLD TREE AND REPLACE IT WITH A SEEDLING, YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE SAME BENEFIT WITH REGARD TO EROSION, WITH REGARD TO RUNOFF, WITH REGARD TO, UM, WITH REGARD TO THE ABSORPTION THAT TREES DO OF ALL THE CARBON FROM THE INCREASED TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING.
SO I THINK IT REALLY TO SAY, WE'LL DO A ONE-ON-ONE IS A REALLY NICE THOUGHT, BUT THE REALITY IS, IN THE INTERIM, YOU'VE LOST A LOT.
AND THERE'S WILL BE, REGARDLESS OF THE PLANS, THERE WILL BE EROSION AND THERE WILL BE RUNOFF.
SO I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK, OR WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO, TO HAVE, UH, SOMEONE MAYBE EVEN TRANSLATE BECAUSE I'M NOT AN ENGINEER.
UM, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE ALONG THE, THE, THE, ALONG THAT SAME ISSUE, UM, IS THE ISSUE ABOUT DRAINAGE, WHICH, WHICH BOB JUST, UH, SPOKE A WHOLE LOT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, WHO IS GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING ALL THOSE NEW PIPES THAT, UH, MR. ZAPPY HAS, HAS SAID THAT THEY'RE GOING TO, TO PUT IN, AND SECOND, WHO IS GOING TO BE NOT ONLY, UM, RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE OF THEM, BUT WHO IS GONNA OVERSEE THAT THEY, IN FACT ARE MEETING, MEETING THE EXPECTATION OR WHAT WAS AS DESCRIBED WITH REGARD TO GRABBING THE ADDITIONAL WATER SO THAT IT DOESN'T FLOOD THE AREA AROUND IT, IT FLOOD THE ROAD DOWN THERE, IT DOESN'T FLOOD THE TRAIN, AND THAT THERE ISN'T ANY DAMAGE TO ALL OF THOSE HOUSES AND SURROUNDING HOUSES.
SO I, I THINK IT'S GREAT TO SAY WE'LL TAKE EVERY TREE THAT WE'RE TAKING DOWN, WE'RE GONNA PUT ANOTHER ONE UP, BUT IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.
THERE'S 20 AND 30, MR. HARA, I THINK IN TERMS OF THAT, MR. SCHMIDT IS OUR, OUR TREE TREE PERSON.
WE HAVE A VERY COMPREHENSIVE TREE LAW THAT HE CAN EXPLAIN TO YOU IN, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME.
I THIS'S MY FINAL POINT, BUT I REALLY, THE BIG ISSUE IS ABOUT THE WATER AND THE RUNOFF, AND WHO'S GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THAT.
BUT IF YOU, I, I REALLY THINK IT'D BE GOOD FOR YOU TO HAVE A CONVERSATION OFFLINE WITH MR. SCHMIDT.
UNDERSTAND OUR TREE LAW, BECAUSE IT'S VERY, IT'S NOT A SIMPLE ONE FOR ONE.
THAT'S NOT HOW OUR TREE LAW WORKS.
BUT THAT'S HOW IT PRESENTED DETAILED.
IT'S 17 PAGES LONG, SO OH, GOOD.
IT'S VERY COMPREHENSIVE, THE OPPORTUNITY.
THEY'RE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.
I'M SORRY, MY CAMERA IS, UH, LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET MY CAMERA TO WORK.
UM, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
UM, AGAIN, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
AND, UM, I KNOW THAT YOU'VE CONDUCTED MANY STUDIES, UM, REGARDING THE TRAFFIC, THE CARS THAT ARE MOVING UP AND DOWN OLD COLONY.
UM, BUT I WAS WONDERING WHETHER YOU HAVE CONDUCTED ANY SORT OF A PEDESTRIAN ANALYSIS, PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
UM, DENISE AND, AND LAUREN CERTAINLY SPOKE ABOUT AS GROWNUPS, UM, GOING UP AND DOWN, UM, OLD COLONY TO AND FROM THE TRAIN, EXERCISING, RUNNING, ET CETERA.
UM, I'VE LIVED IN EDGEMONT, UM, NOW FOR ABOUT 17 YEARS.
AND I HAVE OBSERVED SOMETHING REALLY IN JUST,
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IT, IT ACTUALLY MAKES ME SMILE.UM, I'VE OBSERVED IN THE LAST A FEW YEARS THE NUMBER OF KIDS THAT ARE WALKING TO AND FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, I ACTUALLY NEVER USED TO SEE THAT, BUT NOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE LITERALLY WALKING IN GROUPS OF FOUR.
UM, AND THEY'RE COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE COMING FROM CLUB WAY, THEY'RE COMING DOWN MIDVALE, THEY'RE COMING UP HIGH.
UM, NOT UP HIGH RIDGE, A OLD COLONY.
THERE IS A LOT OF MOVEMENT BOTH IN THE MORNING AND, UM, GOING TO SCHOOL AND COMING HOME.
UM, AND I SEE KIDS ON BIKES, AND AGAIN, IT MAKES ME SMILE 'CAUSE THEY'RE PUDDLING REALLY HARD UP THESE HILLS.
UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT TREACHEROUS.
UM, AND SO I WOULD SIMPLY LIKE TO, UM, ADD TO THE RECORD THE REQUEST, UM, THAT THERE BE AN ANALYSIS OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC IF THERE HASN'T BEEN, UM, TO DATE.
UM, AND CERTAINLY A CONSIDERATION OF THIS.
IT'S NOT JUST THE ADULTS, BUT IT'S THE SHEER NUMBER OF KIDS, UM, THAT ARE WALKING AND RIDING BIKES TO AND FROM SCHOOL.
MS. DARVISH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER, ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? YES.
I LIVE IN HARTSDALE, UH, OVER, SHE OVER THIS WHOLE THING IS GLOBAL WARMING.
MR. BODEN, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE.
YES, GREENBERG ON THE PROJECT.
THE PROJECT NEEDS TO PROVIDE COUNTY TRAILWAY TYPE WALKS ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD WITHOUT CURBS SHARED.
UH, COUNTY ASPHALT WHERE, UH, BICYCLES CAN GO ON, PEOPLE CAN GO ON AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT PERFECT.
WE ARE MOVING IN, AS SOMEONE SAID, INTO GLOBAL WARMING.
THE ROADWAY HAS TO HAVE MORE SHAREABILITY.
EVERY PLACE WE WORK IN, GREENBURG HAS TO HAVE A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO SAFELY WALK.
AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT CONTINUOUS BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE, WE CAN WE UNDERSTAND ABOUT STANDING THERE AND LETTING A CAR GO BY, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO GO AROUND A TELEPHONE POLE.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA MOVE THE POLES.
BUT THE CONCEPT OF SIDEWALKS IS OVER.
THE SIDE CONCEPT OF CURBS IS OVER.
WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SAFELY GET OUT OF THE WAY OF TRAFFIC.
AND AS I'VE FOUND PEOPLE TO BE VERY COOPERATIVE FOR THE MOST PART.
BUT AGGRESSIVE DRIVERS ARE OUT THERE BECAUSE THE RULES ARE NOT CONSISTENT.
THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF A DISCUSSION, A MEETING WITH THE TOWN PERSON ABOUT THE CONTRACT CON, UH, SIDEWALK AND CURB REPLACEMENT CONTRACT THAT THEY HAVE OUT BID.
BECAUSE THAT HAS TO BE RESCINDED.
THIS IS A WORLD THAT'S DIFFERENT.
IT WITH THE WATER COMING DOWN THAT HILL HAS TO BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY.
METRO NORTH HAS TO LEARN A LOT OF NEW THINGS.
LOOK, YOU'RE GONNA GIMME A TIME.
YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT I'M SAYING.
THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT, MR. I HAVE A RIGHT TO SAY IT.
WE DON'T HAVE A FIVE MINUTE LIMIT HERE.
WHAT WE DO HAVE A LIMIT IS TO STAY ON POINT.
'CAUSE I WILL CUT YOU OFF IF YOU YELL.
IF YOU WANNA SPEAK ON POINT AND ON THIS PROJECT, I'M HAPPY TO HEAR ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY.
WE ARE CHANGING THE WAY WE ARE THINKING AND THIS IS STEP NUMBER ONE.
I ACTUALLY THINK THE IDEA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THIS CURBLESS IS GREAT.
I THAT MAY A MAYBE A GREAT SOLUTION FOR THAT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE WILL PASS ON TO MR. RE, TO SERGEANT REIN, GET HIS OPINION.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO NOW, SINCE TRAFFIC, I MEAN, THERE ARE LOTS OF THINGS, BUT TRAFFIC SEEMS TO BE TRAFFIC AND OBVIOUSLY THE DRAINAGE, BUT TRAFFIC IS SOMETHING OF A HUGE CONCERN TO ALMOST EVERYBODY WHO'S SPOKEN TONIGHT.
AND WE HAVE OUR TRAFFIC EXPERT, MR. CANNING, WHO HAS BEEN ANALYZING THIS.
AND JOHN, IF YOU COULD RESPOND TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS ON TRAFFIC, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
UM, BEFORE I GOT ON THE MEETING, I DID GO BACK AND REVIEW THE RECORD AND, UM,
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IT WAS THE, THE PROJECT WAS EVALUATED QUITE EXTENSIVELY THE LAST TIME IT WAS BEFORE YOU.WE LOOKED AT, UH, TRAFFIC VOLUMES, WE LOOKED AT SITE DISTANCES AND, UH, A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS.
A NUMBER OF YEARS HAVE PASSED SINCE THEN.
SO I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, UM, THAT, UH, WE REVISIT SOME OF THOSE ITEMS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN NO SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES EITHER TO TRAFFIC VOLUMES OR SPEEDS.
UM, AND I WOULD LIKE SOME TIME TO REVIEW THE RECORD BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF COMMENTS TONIGHT AND, AND, UH, SUGGESTIONS AND SOME OF THEM CERTAINLY, UH, WITH MERIT.
SO, UM, I, I THINK, UM, THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE NOTHING HAS SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE THIS WORK.
I JUST WANNA GO OVER WHAT I HEARD.
AND, AND BY THE WAY, UH, IT'LL ALL BE IN THE, IN THE RECORD TONIGHT BECAUSE THIS IS BEING TRANSCRIBED AND YOU FOLKS CAN GET A COPY OF IT.
EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY, AND I REALLY BY THE WAY, APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING OUT AND BEING VERY SPECIFIC IN THEIR COMMENTS.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S HELPFUL AND MAKES FOR A BETTER PROJECT.
UM, WHAT I HEARD, FIRST OF ALL IS TRAFFIC.
UH, MR CAN I ALSO HEARD ABOUT PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC? I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ADDRESS THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE A PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC CONSULTANT AS WELL.
I HOPE YOU ARE BECAUSE, UH, YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE AND I HAVE BEEN TAKING NOTES AND, AND I HAVE, UM, UM OKAY.
PAID ATTENTION ALL 'CAUSE IT IS, IT IS, IT IS A WAY TO THE HIGH SCHOOL FOR SURE.
AND IT'S ALSO WAY TO AND FROM THE TRAIN STATION SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS, THE DELIVERY TRUCKS.
UH, MR. ZAPPA, THE ONE THING, MR. SAPPY, I, I WONDER IF, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE OR NOT TO LOOK INTO, UH, MR. BERNSTEIN'S SUGGESTION THERE OF A WAY OF HAVING AT LEAST ONE SPACE FOR THE FOUR HOUSES WHERE DELIVERY TRUCK COULD JUST PULL OFF THE ROAD.
NOW THE SOLUTION MAY BE WHAT MR. BODEN SPOKE ABOUT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE OR NOT.
BUT UM, I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU JUST KIND OF THINKING IF THERE'S A WAY OF, OF MITIGATING THAT ISSUE.
MOTA, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? YEAH.
UM, YOU KNOW THAT, UM, LOT ONE THAT THEY SAID THEY WOULDN'T SUBDIVIDE, COULD THAT RIGHT.
PART OF THAT BE USED IN STAGING AREA, MS.
I THINK THE ISSUE, I THINK THE ISSUE IS LESS STAGING, FRANKLY.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT CAN BE BE MANAGED.
THEY MANAGED IT WHEN THEY BUILT THE LAST HOUSE.
I THINK THEY CAN MANAGE THE STAGING AND, AND WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT GETS MANAGED.
AND THEN IT IS THE ONGOING ISSUE OF WHERE DO YOU PUT THE AMAZON TRUCK? WHERE DO YOU PUT, PUT THE POST OFFICE? WHERE DO YOU PUT THE AIR CONDIT? I THOUGHT MAYBE THE TRUCKS COULD ALL GO ONTO THAT ONE AIR, AIR CONDITIONER THING.
UM, THE ONLY THING IS THERE'S A GIANT, THERE REALLY IS A GIANT ROCK THERE.
I HAVE A FEELING THAT MR. SCHNEE'S CHILDREN HAVE PLAYED ON THAT ROCK MORE, MORE TIMES THAN HE'D LIKE TO, LIKE TO REMEMBER.
THE BLASTING IS AN ISSUE THAT WE CAN EASILY ADDRESS.
UH, WE DO HAVE A BLASTING, UH, A, A BLASTING, UH, ORDINANCE, WHICH IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AND YOU CAN REPORT BACK ON THAT.
MR. UH, MR. SCHMIDT, UM, THE FLOODING SAFEGUARDS, I BELIEVE THERE IS A CONSTRUCTION PLAN FOR THAT, WHICH AGAIN, I THINK IT, WHAT WE COULD DO AT THE NEXT MEETING IS PRESENT THAT OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO, HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE HANDLED IN TERMS OF DURING THE CONSTRUCTION, UH, AS WELL AS POST-CONSTRUCTION.
JUST UNDERSTAND THE, THE OBJECTIVE, NOT THE OBJECTIVE.
THE REQUIREMENT OF A DEVELOPER IS TO HAVE THE SAME OR LESS RUNOFF THAN, UH, THE PREBUILT CONDITION.
THAT IS THEIR ONLY RESPONSIBILITY.
AND THIS, THIS DEVELOPER'S GONE BEYOND THAT BY A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.
THE OTHER THING, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THIS BOARD HAS DONE, AND IT IT'S RELATED TO SOMETHING MR. BOTIN SAID, AND I THINK MR. BERNSTEIN SAID, WHICH IS YES, A HUNDRED YEAR STORMS SEEM TO HAPPEN EVERY OTHER YEAR OR MORE THESE DAYS.
UH, THE TOWN REQUIREMENT IS A 25 YEAR STORM.
WE HAVE ON A REGULAR BASIS BEEN ASKING DEVELOPERS TO, UH, PLAN FOR A HUNDRED YEAR STORM FOR THAT EXACT REASON.
THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING MR. SIMON IN PARTICULAR HAS MADE SURE THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS INCLUDED IN OUR ANALYSIS IF, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
AND MR. ZAPPI HAS, UH, DONE THAT IN TERMS OF METRO NORTH, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THEY WERE ASKED TO COME TONIGHT
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AND DID NOT COME TONIGHT.UM, THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT'S GOING OFF OF THAT PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE, I BELIEVE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MR. ZAPPI, BUT LESS THAN IT IS NOW.
AND SO WE'RE NOT CREATING A NEW PROBLEM FOR, FOR, FOR METRO NORTH.
IN FACT, WE'RE PROBABLY SOLVING A PROBLEM FOR METRO NORTH.
WOULD THAT BE A CORRECT, UH, ANALYSIS? SO THERE WAS, UM, SOME GREAT COMMENTS TONIGHT AND, UM, THERE ARE CONCERNS WITH METRO NORTH.
SO THERE IS A LOT OF WATER THAT'S GETTING DOWN TO METRO NORTH RIGHT NOW FROM ALL OF THE NEIGHBORING AND ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
UH, WE ARE NOT BRINGING ANY NEW WATER THERE.
WE ARE REDUCING THE EXISTING WATER THAT'S CURRENTLY COMING FROM OFFSITE.
SO THERE IS A REDUCTION IN RUNOFF THAT IS GOING DOWN THERE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE ALLEVIATING AN EXISTING PROBLEM, NOT JUST FOR METRO NORTH, BUT FOR THE TRAVELERS ON PIPELINE.
I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS WAS NOTED, I HAD MADE, UH, REQUESTS TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHERE, WHERE METRO NORTH WAS ON THIS.
AND, UM, WE SENT OUT A, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, REQUEST THAT METRO NORTH BE HERE.
WE EVEN SENT THEM AN INVITATION FOR THIS TONIGHT'S MEETING BECAUSE ALL WE HAVE HEARD FROM THEM IS WE DON'T LIKE THIS.
BUT WHAT WE'VE UH, FOUND OUT IS THEY DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH, UH, THE DEVELOPER HAS GONE BEYOND WHAT REQUIREMENTS THAT, UH, THEY OFFER THE 25 YEAR TO THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM, METRON NORTH APPARENTLY WANTS, UH, FURTHER CONSTRUCTION TO HELP THEM WITH THEIR OWN PROBLEM.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, UH, SIT AND BE HELD HOSTAGE BECAUSE METRON NORTH IS NOT HAPPY WITH, UM, THE PROJECT 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T FIX THEIR PROBLEMS. UM, BUT WE'VE ASKED 'EM TO ELABORATE AND THEY HAVE NOT.
UM, THEY'VE NOT COME, COME HERE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT ANSWERS THAT QUESTION.
NOT, AND BELIEVE ME, WE WILL ATTEMPT AGAIN BECAUSE IT, IT IS IMPORTANT TO TRY TO GET THEM ON BOARD IF WE CAN.
SO, UH, WE WILL ATTEMPT THAT AGAIN.
THE OTHER COMMENT I HEARD WAS ABOUT, UH, FIRE ACCESS TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, MR. ZAPPY, UH, SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A PATH THAT THEY CAN GET BACK THERE OR THERE'S SOME HAZARD OR SOMETHING BACK THERE.
YEAH, THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAN EASILY GET AROUND THE REAR OF THE BUILDINGS.
THERE'S NO RETAINING WALLS OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD OBSTRUCT THE DEPARTMENT FROM GETTING BACK THERE.
UM, THERE'S A GENTLE SLOPE BETWEEN EACH OF THE RESIDENCES.
UM, QUITE FRANKLY, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT REALLY WOULD PROBABLY COME IN THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR.
UH, BUT IF THEY HAD TO GET AROUND BACK, THEY COULD EASILY, OKAY.
MR. SCHMIDT, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE COMMENT WE GOT FROM THE FIRE DE DEPARTMENT? DID WE GET COMMENTARY FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON THIS PROJECT RECENTLY? WE CERTAINLY HAVE.
AND THERE WAS COMMENTS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT DUE TO THIS SLOPE IN TO TOPOGRAPHY, THAT IT WOULD NOT BE EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO THE REAR.
UM, SO WE DID FORWARD THIS LATEST ROUND OF MATERIALS TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UH, MATT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE WE GOT ANYTHING BACK FROM THEM, BUT THOSE ARE COMMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED EARLIER ON AND IT TO THE APPLICANT.
UH, PERHAPS THERE WAS A SLIGHT MODIFICATION OF THE GRADING THAT MAY EASE THOSE CONCERNS, BUT OKAY.
MAYBE IT'S A WIDEN WIDENING OF A PATH BACK THERE.
SOMETHING TO MAKE IT EASIER TO GET BACK THERE, BUT IT, BUT WE APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS AGAIN FROM, FROM THE COMMUNITY ON THAT.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO AT THIS POINT, AARON, GO AHEAD.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY IT DOES LOOK LIKE, UH, EITHER MR OR MS. DARVISH HAS A HAND UP AND AND DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK WITH THIS? IS THAT MICHAEL DARVISH THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? HELLO, HUG.
UM, UH, FIRST OF ALL, APPRECIATE EVERYBODY AND EVERYTHING EVERYONE SAID.
I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD AT THIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT.
UH, I'LL TELL YOU ABOUT THAT ROAD.
IT IS PROBABLY, IT'S UNUSUAL MAYBE ON FOUR DIMENSIONS, FIVE DIMENSIONS.
IT'S PROBABLY A HUNDRED FEET, UM, IN ALTITUDE, OVER A HUNDRED YARDS, A HUNDRED FIFTY, A HUNDRED TWENTY FIVE YARDS.
UH, TH THESE FOUR ENTRANCES, INCLUDING THE FIFTH ONE THAT'S THAT WAS ALREADY BEEN BUILT, ARE RIGHT AT THE VERY BOTTOM.
IT IS VERY EASY FOR A CYCLIST TO HIT 40 MILES AN HOUR TO GO DOWN THAT HILL.
UH, IT IS PROBABLY LIKELY THAT CARS COME DOWN THERE AT 40 MILES AN HOUR.
UH, THE ROAD ITSELF ON OLD COLONY, UH, GOING NORTH AND GOING DOWN, WELL, EITHER DIRECTION IS, UH, DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR A CAR TO BE PULLED OVER AND FOR TWO CARS TO PASS.
THAT'S LARGELY THE CASE FOR THE ENTIRE OLD COLONY ROAD.
THERE'S, UM, AS WAS MENTIONED,
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THERE'S, UM, GRANITE OR STONE ON BOTH SIDES OF, UH, THAT CUTOUT ON OLD COLONY AS IT'S, UH, AS IT GOES UP, UH, THE HILL.AND, UH, THERE IS NO SIDEWALK.
SO IT'S PARTICULARLY TREACHEROUS IN HEIGHT AND WIDTH, IN SPEED, IN LENGTH, UM, IN DISTANCE.
THAT'S THE FIFTH POINT THAT CURVE COMES, RIGHT, RIGHT BEFORE THOSE DRIVEWAYS ARE COMPLETED FROM THE, FROM ONE, FROM ONE, UH, FOR THE FOUR OR FIVE THAT ARE IN A ROW, THERE'S A CURVE IN THERE.
AND I WOULD ARGUE THAT THAT CURVE IS, UH, UH, NASTIER THAN, UH, WHAT WE, UH, REPAIRED OR WHAT THE TOWN OR THE STATE REPAIRED, UM, ON, UH, BRONX RIVER PARKWAY A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
SO MY, MY POINT AND REQUEST IS THAT SOMEBODY ASSESSES, UH, THE INTEGRITY OF THE ROAD AND NOT JUST THE TRAFFIC AND DOES IT IN A IFIED WAY, AND THEN COMPARES IT TO OTHER KINDS OF PROJECTS AND HOW YOU'VE, UH, UH, REMEDIATED THOSE PROJECTS, UM, AGAIN, TOWARDS A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT.
BUT IT, IT, THIS IS AN UNUSUAL SITUATION.
I DON'T THINK YOU WILL FIND ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THIS AROUND.
THIS IS NOT HIGH HYPERBOLE BY THE, BY THE COMMUNITY.
I'M SURE MR. CANNING IS TAKING NOTE OF YOUR COMMENTS.
HE JUST, HE JUST SHOOK HIS HEAD.
MR. ZAPPY, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP AGAIN? BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO, LIKE TO CLOSE THIS.
SORRY, I JUST, I WANTED TO RESPOND TO JUST SOME OF THESE COMMENTS.
UM, A FEW, THERE WAS SOME PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC CONCERNS.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING TO THE SIDEWALKS.
UM, THIS, THAT WILL DEFINITELY ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THE CONCERNS.
YOU KNOW, BICYCLISTS, PEOPLE TRAVELING, RUNNING, UM, SOMETHING THAT'S CURRENTLY NOT THERE WILL NOW BE THERE, WILL BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY.
UM, PEOPLE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT BLASTING.
UH, THIS IS A PREDOMINANTLY FILL SITE.
UH, WE REALLY DON'T ANTICIPATE, UM, BLASTING AT ALL.
UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE DIRECTLY ADJACENT, UM, PRODUCT TO THE NORTH.
UM, SO WE REALLY DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY BLASTING WHATSOEVER.
UM, PEOPLE HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT DELIVERIES.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN YOU GUYS GET DELIVERIES, BUT WHEN I DO, YOU KNOW, THE TRUCK'S THERE FOR ABOUT 30 SECONDS, UM, BEFORE HE'S GONE.
I, I REALLY THINK WE'VE DONE, UH, THERE HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN ANY NEW COMMENTS REGARDING, UH, TRAFFIC AND SPEED.
SO, UM, UH, I'LL TURN THIS BACK OVER TO YOU GUYS.
UH, TOM, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT THE SIDEWALK WAS GONNA BE INSTALLED, BUT, UM, MR. OKAY.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, I THINK THERE'S STILL A LOT OF OPEN ISSUES HERE THAT I'D LIKE TO GET RESOLVED.
AND I WANT TO GIVE MR. NING A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO THE COMMUNITY.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE KEY THING.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE KEY THINGS, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE PROBABLY ANSWERED A BUNCH OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS TONIGHT.
ONE MORE TIME TO
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, UH, LEAVE THE, THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.
UM, AARON, DO WE HAVE TIME ON THE NEXT CALENDAR DATE FOR THIS JUNE, JUNE 1ST, OR NO? WE DO.
MR. CAN, IS THAT ENOUGH TIME FOR YOU TO REVIEW THESE COMMENTS? I THINK SO, YES.
SO WE WILL HAVE, WE'LL PUT THIS OVER UNTIL JUNE 1ST.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THE, I WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE THE HEARING ON JUNE 1ST AND MOVE ON ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WITH THIS, MR, I THINK WE CAN GET THE ANSWERS.
UH, CAN I JUST ASK REAL QUICK? UM, SO WE, WE'VE BEEN REALLY LOOKING AT THIS TRAFFIC.
UH, THERE HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN ANY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THE COMMUNITY.
UH, WE NOT ONLY JUST LOOKED AT THE TRAFFIC SPEEDS, BUT WE DID SPEED STUDIES TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST WHAT'S REQUIRED, BUT WHAT THE ACTUAL TRAFFIC FLOWS ARE.
UM, WE'VE ENFORCED, YOU KNOW, SITE DISTANCE AND, AND EASEMENTS RESTRICTIONS.
UM, WE, WE'VE REALLY GONE, YOU KNOW, ABOVE AND BEYOND.
LET ME, LET ME EXPLAIN MR. ZAPPY WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
'CAUSE I LIVE IN EDGEMONT TWO AND I'M PAYING PART OF THAT SAME $54 MILLION BOND ISSUE THAT THESE FOLKS ON ON HERE ARE, AND PART OF THIS $54 MILLION BOND ISSUE IS THAT THEY ARE CHANGING THE FLOW, TRAFFIC FLOW OUT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL.
RIGHT NOW, THE MAJORITY OF THE TA TRAFFIC FLOW FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL GOES OUT WHITE OAK LANE, STRAIGHT OUT TO OLD ARMY ROAD.
WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING DOING, AND UNFORTUNATELY, AS I SAID, THE PLANNING BOARD DIDN'T HAVE A SAY IN THIS BECAUSE IT'S SCHOOL PROPERTY AND WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT SCHOOL PROPERTY.
THEY HAVE, THEY'RE PROPOSING AN E AN EXIT FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO OLD COLONY ROAD.
AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S ONLY A SMALL PARKING LOT UP THERE.
I HAD THOUGHT THEY HAD LIMITED TO FACULTY 'CAUSE I KNEW THEY THREW MY DAUGHTER OUT OF THERE.
SO, UM, AT ONE POINT I THOUGHT IT WAS ONLY FAC FACULTY, BUT MAYBE THEY CHANGED IT BACK.
BUT NOW THEY'RE THINKING OF EXPANDING THAT, THAT, THAT, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC PATTERN'S
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GONNA BE.NOW IT MAY CHANGE A BIT BECAUSE OF THAT.
THAT'S, THAT IS A BIG ISSUE BECAUSE TWICE A DAY IT CAN BE A VERY BIG ISSUE IF PEOPLE START ESCAPING FROM THE BACK.
I THINK, UM, THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC THAT DOES AND HAS BEEN CURRENTLY PARKING THERE, ACCESSING THE, THE SCHOOL.
UM, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE LOOKED INTO, UM, THE SCHOOL, EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY BE PROPOSING SOMETHING, UM, CURRENTLY AS IT STANDS, THAT'S NOT THE, THE SITUATION THAT MR. ZAPPI, IT'S MORE THAN PROPOSING IT, IT'S PART OF THEIR BOND ISSUE.
UH, MS. MS. TANNIN VERY QUICKLY, BECAUSE I WANT TO, I HAVE OTHER STUFF TO DO TONIGHT.
SO WE HAVE OTHER STUFF TO DO TONIGHT.
SO VERY QUICKLY, YES, I'VE TWO, TWO VERY, VERY QUICK POINTS.
ONE, THE MR. ZAPPY JUST ASKED WHAT HAS CHANGED? ONE, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY.
THE BOND ISSUE IS IT'S NOT, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE AN EXIT FROM THE FRONT OF THE HIGH SCHOOL TO THE BACK OF THE HIGH SCHOOL EMPTYING OUT ONTO OLD COLONY.
THERE'S GOING TO BE A CONNECTION FROM ARTILLERY ROAD, WHICH IS WHERE THE DUCK POND IS, WHERE THERE'S GOING TO, WE BE ADDITIONAL WHERE KIDS PARK AND WHERE ALL THE KIDS PARK NOW AND FACULTY.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE, YEAH, THERE'S GONNA BE A THOROUGH, A THOROUGH FARE FROM THERE TO OLD COLONY.
THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.
THE SECOND THING I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY IS THAT THE SCHOOL IS, UM, MR. ZAPPY IS GOING FROM A NINE DAY PERIOD TO A SIX DAY PERIOD.
PLUS ADDITIONAL PARKING, UM, TO A SIX DAY PERIOD.
SO WHAT SHULA WAS MENTIONING ABOUT THE KIDS WALKING THERE IS, IS LONGER PERIODS OF TIME.
AND SO THE KIDS ARE WALKING DOWN TO, UM, THE VILLAGE.
SO THERE IS INCREASED TRAFFIC THROUGHOUT THE DAY BECAUSE THE SCHOOL DAY HAS CHANGED.
AND THROUGHOUT THE PANDEMIC, THE SCHOOL DAY CHANGED FROM A NINE DAY PERIOD TO A SIX DAY PERIOD AND IT WENT BACK TO A NINE DAY, AND NOW IT'S FOR NEXT YEAR, IT'S TIME TO GO BACK TO NINE PERIOD DAY, I THINK IS WHAT YOU MEAN.
NINE PERIOD DAY, NINE PERIOD DAY.
BUT IT'S MOVING TO A SIX PERIOD DAY.
IN THAT NOTE, UM, I'D LIKE TO CLOSE, CLOSE.
NOTHING'S GONNA, NOTHING'S GONNA CHANGE.
I I REALLY WANT TO CUT OFF DISCUSSION FOR THIS EVENING.
WE HAVE TWO OTHER PROJECTS TO GET, GET TO.
WE'LL CONTINUE THIS AND HOPEFULLY END IT ON THE 1ST OF JUNE.
UM, SO WE'LL ADJOURN THE HEARING AND I'D LIKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING.
I THINK WHAT YOU WANT IS A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS TO, OKAY.
I, I HAVE MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL JUNE 1ST.
DO I HAVE THAT MOTION? IT'S ALL MOVED.
ALL OPPOSED? UH, ABSTENTIONS? NONE.
NOW CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING? SO, SO MOVED.
THAT WAS TIE WALTER IS SECOND.
SHE, SHE, MONA THEN, THEN WALTER.
WE'RE CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, GOING BACK INTO WORK SESSION.
THANK YOU ALL, UH, FOR COMING TONIGHT.
OKAY, MR. ZAPPY, WE'LL SEE YOU, UH, ON THE FIRST FOR THE CONTINUATION OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
WAIT, I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED.
WE CLOSED OUR, OUR PUBLIC HEARING PORTION.
WE'LL SEE YOU ON THE FIRST FIRST.
YEAH, WE CAN TALK, WE CAN TALK TOMORROW.
BRIAN, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION.
OKAY, WE'RE GOING BACK INTO WORK SESSION NOW.
WE HAVE TWO PROJECTS, UH, GARRETT, LET'S TAKE, TAKE THEM OUT OF ORDER.
I, I THINK ONE IS A LITTLE EASIER THAN THE OTHER ONE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH CASE TB 2203, WHICH IS A, UH, AMENDMENT TO TEXT AMENDMENT, UH, TO THE DSS, UH, DISTRICT.
UM, GARY, COULD YOU JUST GIVE US A THUMBNAIL OF, UH, WHAT THE OBJECTIVE IS AND WHAT SOME OF THE CHANGES ARE, PLEASE, THE CHANGES ARE, PLEASE.
UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO TALK TONIGHT ABOUT IS THE DSS DESIGN SHOPPING DISTRICT.
UH, WE HEARD A CASE EARLIER, OF COURSE, THAT, UM, WAS A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE IN THE DSS DISTRICT.
UH, I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, BRIEFLY ZONING MAP COMPONENT OF THE DSS
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DISTRICT, AND THEN I'M GOING TO FOCUS ON A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT, UH, FACET OF, OF THE DSS DISTRICT PROPOSAL.SO, UM, JUST TO, JUST TO REFRESH THE BOARD, UM, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO HERE AS PLANNERS AND, UM, AND, AND AS WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO, OF COURSE, AS, UH, PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT A ZONING TEXT OR ZONING MAP AMENDMENT, IS TO, UM, GO TO 2 85 DASH 64 B, WHICH IS THE AMENDMENT PROCEDURE.
UM, AND THESE ARE REALLY THE CRITERIA, UH, FROM A, THE ZONING ORDINANCE PERSPECTIVE THAT YOU WANT TO BE THINKING.
THIS IS THE LENS YOU WANNA, UH, THINK THROUGH, UH, AS YOU THINK ABOUT ZONING MAP AND ZONING, TEXT CHANGES AND THINGS LIKE CONSISTENCY WITH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IMPACTS TO THE SITES, UM, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO, JUST WANTED TO REFRESH YOU THERE.
UM, WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS AS WE HAVE STAFF HAS HAVE PREPARED THE DSS DISTRICT CHANGES.
UH, I DO WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT THIS IS A TOWN INITIATED AMENDMENT.
THIS IS A STAFF INITIATED PROPOSAL.
UH, THIS IS NOT A DEVELOPER PROPOSAL.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS ORIENT THE BOARD WITH THE DSS DISTRICT.
UM, THE DESIGN SHOPPING DISTRICT IS PRIMARILY A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
IT, IT ALLOWS, UH, RETAIL, UH, COMMERCIAL, IT ALLOWS BANKS.
UM, IT ALSO ALLOWS, UH, RESTAURANTS BOTH, UM, TRADITIONAL RESTAURANTS AND FAST FOOD.
SO THOSE ARE THE PRIMARY PERMITTED USES.
UM, THERE ARE A FEW, UM, OTHER, UH, USES THAT ARE, ARE SPECIAL PERMITS SUCH AS SCHOOLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT I, I, IN, IN, IN SHORT, IT'S REALLY A, A RETAIL SORT OF RESTAURANT TYPE DISTRICT.
SO, UM, WITHIN THE TOWN, IT'S A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE TOWN THAT'S THE DSS DISTRICT.
UM, SPECIFICALLY THERE ARE, I THINK, FIVE DIFFERENT POLYGONS.
I'M JUST GONNA QUICKLY ORIENT YOU WITH THOSE.
UM, UP HERE IN THE NORTH PART OF THE TOWN WHERE MY CURSOR IS, THAT'S, UH, THE DSS DISTRICT, UM, ON NORWOOD ROAD AND, AND, AND 100 C GRASSLANDS.
THERE ARE THE, UH, UH, CABIN, UH, RESTAURANT THERE AND THE, UH, CHASE BANK AND SOME STRIP PLAZAS GAS STATION.
UM, THEN THERE'S ANOTHER POCKET OF DSS ALONG SAWMILL RIVER ROAD HERE WHERE MY CURSOR IS.
AND THAT'S, UH, NORTH OF 2 87, NORTH OF THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD ON SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
AND SOME, SOME, SOME GOOD SITES THERE TO GET YOU ORIENTED ARE, UH, SAM'S CLUB AND THE FUTURE, UH, SHOPRITE.
AND THEN THERE'S, UM, KIND OF TWO CLUSTERS THAT ARE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY ON ROUTE ONE 19.
UM, JUST WEST OF THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS, WHICH IS HERE.
UM, AND SOME GOOD REFERENCE POINTS.
THERE ARE THE CORNER OF HILLSIDE AVENUE.
AND THEN AS YOU TRAVEL IN AN EASTERLY DIRECTION IN SITES LIKE THE, UH, UH, UM, THE FURNITURE STORE THERE, STICKLEY, AUDI.
OKAY, UM, THE BOWLING ALLEY, SO THAT, THAT ORIENTS YOU THERE.
AND THEN THE LAST POCKET OF DSS IS, UH, THE, NO-NO WOOD SHOPPING CENTER.
SO THE ACME THE FORMER MOVIE THEATER.
UM, AND YOU'VE GOT THE, UH, BENJAMIN STEAKHOUSE.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE THE, UH, DSS DISTRICT POCKETS.
NOW, WHAT I'LL FIRST FOCUS ON IS THE ZONING MAP COMPONENT.
AND IF YOU RECALL, OH, JUST QUICKLY, UH, I'M GONNA FOCUS IN ON THIS AREA UP HERE IN THE NORTH.
THE FIRST ONE THAT I DISCUSSED, UH, AT THE INTERSECTION OF NOEL WOOD ROAD AND GRASS SCIENCE ROAD, IF YOU RECALL, A FEW YEARS AGO WITH THE APPENDIX E CHANGES WITH THE ZONING MAP, UM, NOT ONLY DID THE TOWN REZONE PARCELS THAT, UM, HAD SPLIT ZONING DISTRICTS, WE ALSO, UM, REZONED A FAIR AMOUNT OF PARCELS THAT HAD EXISTING LAND USES THAT DIDN'T NECESSARILY MATCH UP WITH THE ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, SO A CLASSIC EXAMPLE WOULD BE, AND WE EVEN DID THIS WITH THE DS DISTRICT, A PROPERTY THAT WAS ON A CUL-DE-SAC THAT WAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT JUST OVER TIME HAD KEPT RETAINED A DSS DISTRICT THAT WAS NEARBY.
UM, SO WHAT WE DID AS PART OF THAT, THAT APPENDIX E CHANGES, UM, WE IDENTIFIED THAT THE, UH, FUTURE LAND USE PLAN OF THE TOWN, UH, IDENTIFIES THAT AS AN AREA THAT REALLY SHOULD BE ZONED SINGLE FAMILY.
SO THERE WAS A NUMBER OF CHANGES LIKE THAT, AND, UM, THIS WAS NO DIFFERENT.
HOWEVER, THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT ACTUALLY, UM, I THINK I QUITE HONESTLY JUST SORT OF OVERLOOKED IT.
UM, BUT WE DIDN'T OVERLOOK IT.
AND, AND WHEN WE DID THE, UH, LAND USE PLAN FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS FOCUS IN, UM, BEFORE WE GET TO THE CHANGE ON THE, THE, THE, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, WHICH IS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND WHAT YOU SEE HERE, THIS IS, UM, NORWOOD ROAD, AND YOU'VE GOT THE, UH, STRIP PLAZA HERE, WHICH HAS, UM, I THINK A DELI AND A PIZZA PLACE.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE GAS STATION AT THE CORNER TO THE REAR OF THAT, ON WHAT'S KNOWN AS ARTHUR LANE
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IS THREE HOMES, THREE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND INDEED IN THE LAND USE PLAN FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THERE.FROM A FUTURE LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, THEY WERE IDENTIFIED AS, UH, ONE FAMILY FUTURE LAND USE PLAN DESIGNATION.
AND CONVERSELY, ON THE, UM, UM, THIS WAS ACTUALLY A OFFICE COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION THAT WE USED FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND CONVERSELY, WE TOOK THAT OFF THAT, THAT DESIGNATION OFF OF THE, UM, UH, THREE PROPERTIES THAT ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON ARTHUR LANE.
AND WE IDENTIFIED IN THAT LOCALIZED AREA, THE OFFICE COMMERCIAL USES FROM A FUTURE LAND USE PERSPECTIVE AS BEING THOSE THAT ACTUALLY HAVE OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE PROPOSAL IS TO MODIFY OUR ZONING MAP HERE IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TO PLACE THE THREE PARCELS, WHICH I'VE LISTED HERE ON THE SCREEN, AND I THINK THEY'RE PART OF YOUR PACKAGES, UM, WHICH ARE ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN EXCESS OF 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND THE PROPOSAL IS TO REMOVE THE UNDERLYING DSS DISTRICT AND REPLACE THAT WITH R 10 DISTRICT ZONING SO THAT THESE, THESE, THESE HOMES WOULD BE COMPLIANT IN ALL RESPECTS FROM A LOT SIZE PERSPECTIVE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UH, I JUST WANT TO NOTE TO THE BOARD THAT WE SENT OUT, UH, PERSONAL LETTERS TO EACH OF THESE HOMEOWNERS.
AND I WAS PLEASED THAT, AND, AND I EXPECTED IT.
IF I RECEIVED A LETTER LIKE THIS, I WOULD CERTAINLY CALL UP THE TOWN THAT I LIVED IN.
UM, BUT I DID SPEAK WITH EACH OF THOSE OWNERS, AND I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN TO THEM THE RATIONALE HERE.
AND, UM, AND REALLY WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THE IMPLICATION IS, IS IT REALLY BRINGS SURETY TO THE AREA.
UM, WHAT YOU WANT ARE NOT GONNA SEE IS ONE HOMEOWNER OR MULTIPLE HOMEOWNERS PROPOSE TO, LET'S SAY, ABOLISH THEIR HOME AND PUT A, UM, COMMERCIAL USE ON THE SITE, WHICH WOULD NOT BE GOOD, I THINK, FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE FOR THEIR NEIGHBORS AND, AND, AND SO ON.
AND, AND ALSO FOR THOSE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET.
AND FROM A LOCALIZED PERSPECTIVE, UM, IT SEEMS VERY LOGICAL THAT THERE'S HOMES HERE, AND THAT SEEMS LOGICAL THAT THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE MADE.
SO BEFORE I GO ONTO THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? OKAY, VERY GOOD.
SO WITH RESPECT TO THE, UH, DSS DISTRICT, I DO, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
ON, ON ONE 19, UH, UM, DURING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE REMOVE URBAN RENEWAL FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
WE DID NOT DO IT ON COMMERCIAL AREAS OF ONE ON LONG ONE 19.
HOW DOES THIS AFFECT THAT DESIGNATION? BECAUSE THERE'S STILL URBAN RENEWAL, A LOT OF THAT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
SO WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE IS LOCALIZED TO JUST THIS PART OF THE TOWN.
UM, ACTUALLY WHAT I'M GOING TO, UH, SPEAK ABOUT NEXT WITH IS, WHICH IS, UH, CHANGE IN USES TO THE DSS DISTRICT.
I'M ALSO GONNA FOCUS IN A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE FACT THAT THERE, THERE ARE PLANS FOR ONE 19 FROM A A A A A REZONING PERSPECTIVE THAT ACTUALLY WOULD DMAP SOME URBAN RENEWAL, BUT I'LL GET INTO THAT IN A BIT, IF YOU DON'T MIND IT.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO NEXT IS, UM, DISCUSS THE ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT, THAT, THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED AND THAT THE TOWN BOARD HAS REFERRED TO YOU, UH, THAT, AGAIN, ARE, ARE OUR STAFF INITIATED.
SO, IN THE DSS DISTRICT, AS I INDICATED, UH, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, UM, WHAT WE'VE FOUND IS THAT, UM, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A FEW VACANCIES IN THE DSS DISTRICT, AND WE'VE RECEIVED A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF PHONE CALLS WITH INQUIRY INQUIRIES TO, TO FILL SOME OF THOSE SITES WITH FILL SOME OF THOSE VACANCIES.
WE'VE GOTTEN CALLS FOR THINGS LIKE ADULT DAYCARE, THE, THE PROSPECT OF POTENTIALLY DOING AN OFFICE BUILDING, UM, UH, URGENT CARE USES LIKE THAT.
AND WHAT I'VE HAD TO SAY TO THE CALLER IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT, THAT USE, UNFORTUNATELY IS NOT A PERMITTED USE.
UM, IT'S NOT A, UH, SPECIAL PERMIT USE.
AND, UM, YOU WOULD NEED TO AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE OR APPLY FOR A USE VARIANCE TO FILL THAT VACANCY.
SO IT BECAME READILY APPARENT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE BEEN RECEIVING THESE CALLS, BUT ALSO WE'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS ABSENT THOSE CALLS, UM, AND IN THE CONTEXT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH TALKS ABOUT ENSURING THAT THE ZONING DISTRICTS HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF USE TO REALLY MINIMIZE VACANCIES.
WE'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS, BUT IT JUST SEEMED VERY LOGICAL NOT TO HAVE INDIVIDUAL APPLICANTS SUBMIT ZONING, TEXT PETITIONS, AND OPERATE IN A VERY INCREMENTAL FASHION.
SO WHAT WE DID FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE IS WE'RE REALLY LOOKING TO MAKE A COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE TO THE DSS DISTRICT TO REALLY
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ENABLE IT, TO CAPTURE A BROADER, UH, ARRAY OF USES SO THAT, UH, WHEN THAT PHONE DOES RING AND SOMEONE SAYS, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO DO AN ADULT DAYCARE, WE CAN SAY, ABSOLUTELY, THAT'S A VIABLE USE.THERE'S A PROCESS FOR IT, AS OPPOSED TO, NO, I'M SORRY.
SO, UM, I'M GOING TO, UH, JUST, JUST, JUST LIST OFF, UH, THE USES.
THERE'S, UH, I THINK SEVEN OR EIGHT THAT WE, WE WANNA COMPREHENSIVELY ADD TO THE, TO THE DSS DISTRICT.
UM, SO FROM THE PERMITTED USES PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE SEEKING TO ADD ADULT DAYCARE.
UM, WE DO HAVE AN ADULT DAYCARE IN THE TOWN.
IT'S ACTUALLY RIGHT ACROSS FROM TOWN HALL, UH, CENTER LAKE, I BELIEVE IS THE NAME.
UH, THE USE MUSEUMS AND ART GALLERIES, UH, BUSINESS VOCATIONAL SCHOOLS, INCLUDING DANCE MUSIC AND INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC SCHOOLS AND OFFICE BUILDINGS.
SO THESE ARE USES, AGAIN, THAT ARE NOT PERMITTED.
UM, WE FEEL THAT THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY, UH, VIABLE, POTENTIALLY IN LOGICAL FOR, UM, THOSE POLYGONS THAT YOU SAW ON THE SCREEN THERE, WHICH ARE OFTEN ON STATE ROADS AND IN HIGH TRAFFIC AREAS.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, THREE SPECIAL PERMIT USES, UM, MOTOR VEHICLE SALES, CHILD DAYCARE CENTERS, AND MEDICAL AND DENTAL CLINICS.
SO ALL THREE OF THOSE USES ARE ALSO PRECLUDED RIGHT NOW IN THE DSS DISTRICT.
NOT LOOKING TO ADD, UM, RESIDENTIAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
NO MULTI-FAMILY, JUST THESE USES HERE THAT I'VE DESCRIBED, UM, WHICH I, I AM VERY CONFIDENT WILL, UH, CONTRIBUTE TO GOOD CHANGES IN THE TOWN EMPLOYMENT, MINIMIZING VACANCIES, AND, UH, BRINGING, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE SITES BACK TO LIFE.
UM, SOME COULD BE INFILL DEVELOPMENT, BUT A LOT OF WHAT I'M DESCRIBING WOULD BE, UM, FILLING VACANCIES IN BRICK AND MORTAR SITES.
UM, BEFORE I GO ON, THERE'S A FEW MORE THINGS I'D LIKE TO TOUCH ON, ON THIS LOCAL LAW, BUT I THINK THAT COVERS A, A GOOD AMOUNT.
SO I'D LIKE TO, UH, TURN IT OVER TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MAY HAVE.
THE, THE ONE QUESTION I, I HAD, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GOT THE ANSWER TO IT, SINCE WE DISCUSSED THIS YESTERDAY, UM, WE HAD DISCUSSED ON CENTRAL AVENUE HAVING A SEPARATION, UH, BETWEEN, UH, AUTO DEALERSHIPS.
AND I DON'T, IT MAY NOT ACTUALLY BE NECESSARY HERE BECAUSE NONE OF THESE AREAS ARE LARGE ENOUGH, PROBABLY TO DO MORE THAN ONE AT A TIME.
BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING TOO MUCH OF A CONCENTRATION IN ONE PLACE LIKE WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON ONE 19.
SO, I, I HAVE NOT HAD THE CHANCE TO, UM, YOU HAD INDICATED THAT POTENTIALLY THAT WAS AN ENACTED FOR THE CA DISTRICT.
UH, MATT, IF YOU HAVE A MOMENT, IF YOU CAN GO TO E CODE.
UM, AND BEFORE WE CONCLUDE THIS DISCUSSION, IF YOU FIND OUT, UH, WHETHER I KNOW WE THAT EXISTS, I KNOW WE, WE CLEARLY, WHEN WE DID DON'T, THE EXPANSION, WHEN WE DID THE EXPANSION FOR, TO ALLOW FOR THINGS LIKE THE EXPANSION OF DALE FORD AND CURRY CHEVROLET.
AND CURRY ACURA, WE DID THOSE.
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT HAVING A THOUGHT, A TWO TH SOME KIND OF THOUSAND FOOT OR 2000 FOOT SEPARATION BETWEEN AUTO DEALERSHIPS.
WHETHER THAT MADE THE FINAL LAW OR NOT.
I KNOW THAT'S WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAD RECOMMENDED AT THE TIME.
SO I'M CONFIDENT THAT IT DID NOT, BUT MATT, IF YOU COULD VERIFY THAT, AND IF IT DID, THAT'S GOOD FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES.
IF IT DIDN'T, AND YOU FEEL COMPELLED TO WANT THAT EXPLORED FOR THIS, WE CAN CERTAINLY, UM, I MAYBE THINK ABOUT THE RAM, THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
WALTER WAS SECOND THEN, CORRECT.
I'M SORRY, GARY, CAN YOU JUST POP THAT MAP BACK UP ONE MORE TIME SO I CAN SEE THE PLACES? ABSOLUTELY.
I WANNA BORROW MY GLASSES, MAMA.
IT'S ONLY IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE TOWN, SO, UH, YEAH, I HAVE MY GLASSES, BUT IT'S LIKE REALLY LITTLE
AND NOW JUST GIMME THOSE SEVEN THINGS AGAIN THAT YOU WANNA ADD IN.
UM, ADULT DAYCARE, UH, MUSEUMS AND ART GALLERIES, UH, BUSINESS VOCATIONAL SCHOOLS, DANCE SCHOOLS, UH, INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC SCHOOLS, OFFICE BUILDINGS, MEDICAL OFFICE, MOTOR VEHICLE SALES, CHILD DAYCARE CENTERS, AND MEDICAL AND DENTAL CLINICS.
UH, GARRETT, UH, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL OR CA DISTRICT AND DSS DISTRICT? UH, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU CAN KIND OF ROLL INTO A ONE DISTRICT SO THAT, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO KIND OF ADD, MAKE AMENDMENTS OF USES INTO THE DSS DISTRICT? YES.
SO, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION, AND I THINK BY YOU ASKING THAT, IT REMINDS ME THAT I CAN, UH, FOLLOW UP ON ONE OF WALTER'S, UH, PRIOR QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, AT LEAST AS FAR AS THE, UM,
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THE TWO POLYGONS THAT I INDICATED THAT EXIST ON ONE 19, I, I WILL, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I SEE THESE AS INCREMENTAL CHANGES.I THINK THESE ARE INCREMENTAL CHANGES THAT, UM, THE REASON I MENTION THAT IS BECAUSE INDEED ONE OF THE NEXT, UH, ZONING, UH, ENDEAVORS THAT, THAT OUR DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO TAKE THE LEAD ON WILL BE TO COMPREHENSIVELY REZONE, WHERE MY CURSOR IS ON ONE 19, UH, FROM THE BORDER OF THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS IN AN EAST, UH, WESTERLY DIRECTION TO, UM, THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD AND, AND THE LIBRARY.
SO, UM, LONGER TERM, UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST WHAT YOU SAID, CORT, UM, IS TO PROPOSE A MIXED USE DISTRICT THAT'S COMPARABLE TO CENTRAL.
AND, UM, IN ADDITION TO WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED WITH THIS DSS DISTRICT, I DO THINK IT'S LOGICAL TO INCORPORATE MULTIFAMILY IN A CA DISTRICT LIKE FASHION.
HOWEVER, I DON'T WANNA DO THAT NOW TO THE DSS
I DON'T WANNA PROPOSE THAT NOW FOR THE DSS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S LOGICAL FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE OTHER POCKETS THAT ARE NOT ON, UH, THE VERY PROMINENT, UM, UH, COMMERCIAL QUARTERS OF THE TOWN.
SO, UM, LONG TERM, I THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES.
AND JUMPING BACK TO, UH, MR. SIMON'S POINT THERE, UM, WHEN WE COMPREHENSIVELY REZONE THE PROPERTIES FRONTING ON ONE 19, THAT WILL, UM, ELIMINATE A GOOD PORTION OF WHAT REMAINS OF THE UR DISTRICT THINK CROSSROADS AND POINTS NORTH, THAT FRONT ON ONE 19.
WHAT THAT WOULD LEAVE WITH RESPECT TO THE UR DISTRICT IS ONLY THE MULTIFAMILY, UM, HOUSING THAT'S ON MANHATTAN AVENUE, OF WHICH WE'D BE A DIFFERENT STRATEGY, BUT OF WHICH IS ALSO IN THE WORKS.
GARY, GARY, MY FEELING ON THE, SO, SO, GARY, GO AHEAD.
JUST TO FOLLOW UP, WHAT IS A TIMELINE THAT HE THINKS THAT WE CAN CLEAN UP OUR ZONING, UH, UH, SORT OF MAP, IT JUST SOMETIMES DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT FOLLOWS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN'S, UH, UH, PHILOSOPHY OR IT'S, UH, IT'S KIND OF A ROADMAP.
SO WHAT IS THE TIMELINE? YOU THINK WE WOULD HAVE SOME MORE CONCRETE? WE DO IT SO THAT, YES.
SO THIS DSS DISTRICT, I THINK, UM, IS AN INCREMENTAL CHANGE.
AND WITH SUPPORT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE TOWN BOARD AND, AND HOPEFULLY FROM, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND BUSINESS OWNERS, UM, WE CAN DO THIS IN, UM, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME AND WITHIN, YOU KNOW, NEXT COUPLE MONTHS.
UM, MY GOAL WOULD BE TO CREATE A ZONING DISTRICT FOR ONE 19, UM, BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.
UM, AND OTHER CHANGES, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'LL BE ROLLING OUT.
UM, I JUST DID WANT TO NOTE IN TERMS OF, AND YOU'RE ALSO
UM, I DID ALSO WANNA NOTE, IN ADDITION TO BEING CONSISTENT WITH, UM, ZONING CHANGES, BEING CONSISTENT WITH OUR ZONING ORDINANCE YES.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHERE DOES THAT COME INTO THE EQUATION? SO, UM, I WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT THIS POLICY 12 2 1 16, I'M SORRY, IT'S QUITE SMALL, I'M GONNA ZONE IN ZOOM IN HERE.
UM, IT IDENTIFIES THAT THE TOWN SHOULD REVIEW PERMITTED SPECIAL PERMIT AND ACCESSORY USES TO ENSURE THAT VIABLE USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GOALS OF THE PLAN ARE NOT PRECLUDED.
THIS IS JUST THAT, UM, IN ADDITION, THERE'S NARRATIVE THAT, YOU KNOW, REALLY, UM, IS, IS, IS CONNECTED TO THAT TYPE OF THOUGHT.
AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE MAJOR HIGH POINTS IF YOU REALLY GET IN THE WEEDS, I COULD MM-HMM.
BUT, UM, THIS ONE I THOUGHT REALLY DROVE HOME THE POINT.
SECTION 12 SEVEN ALSO NOTES THE IMPORTANCE OF PROVIDING CONSISTENT ZONING REGULATORY CONTROLS IN TOWN'S MAJOR CORRIDORS, AND THE IMPORTANCE OF UPDATING PERMITTED SPECIAL PERMIT AND ACCESSORY USES TO ENSURE THAT THESE CORRIDORS HAVE MINIMAL VACANCIES AND THRIVE AS PLACES OF BUSINESS.
UH, THE REVIEW OF THE USES IN THE TOWN'S COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS MUST ALSO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE EVOLVING NATURE OF RETAIL, THE NEED FOR FLEXIBILITY TO COMPETE WITH INCREASED PRESSURE FROM ONLINE SALES WITH THE PANDEMIC, YOU KNOW, THAT'S EVEN MORE AMPLIFIED.
SO, UM, HOPEFULLY THAT COVERS SOME OF THOSE.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS VERY SIMPLE.
THIS IS, THIS IS AN INCREMENTAL PROPOSAL THAT IS NECESSARY TO HELP ADDRESS OUR ISSUE WITH VACANCIES AND WHERE WE'VE BEEN TOO RIGID.
YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR VOTING HAS BEEN TOO RIGID IN SOME OF THESE AREAS.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THIS EVENTUALLY.
I MEAN, I HAVE A, GARRETT KNOWS AN, AN INTEREST, VERY BIG INTEREST IN, UH, MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL ALONG SOME OF THESE CORRIDORS AS POTENTIALLY PART OF AN
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AFFORDABLE HOUSING INITIATIVE.UM, BUT THAT'S A BIGGER FISH TO FRY.
THAT'S GONNA TAKE A LONG TIME TO DO.
THIS IS SIMPLE AND ADDRESSES A NEED, A NEED THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT, AT THIS AMENDMENT RIGHT NOW.
UH, WALTER, YOU DO YOUR HAND UP.
AND, AND CONSISTENT WITH WHAT GARRETT JUST SAID, IN, UH, UH, UH, WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND 12.7, VERY GOOD.
THE FACT THAT WE'RE BRINGING IN ART GALLERIES AND MUSEUMS, WE'RE ALLOWING THAT, THAT'S VERY GOOD FOR BRINGING IN, UH, PEOPLE AND BUSINESS INTO THE TOWN.
BUT IF YOU GO TO, UM, UH, WE STILL HAVE THIS CARRYOVER OF NOT ALLOWING A CABARET, AND THAT IS A 50 YEAR OLD HOLDOVER FROM THE SEVENTIES WHEN YOU HAD THESE WILD DISCOS ALL OVER THE TOWN AND THIS, AND THIS WAS IMPLEMENTED.
UH, IF YOU TO GO, IF I GO TO A RESTAURANT AND THIS ONE, MAYBE LISTEN TO SOME JAZZ MUSIC, I GO TO TARRYTOWN, I GO TO IRVINGTON, I GO TO WHITE PLAINS, I EVEN GO TO ELMSFORD RIGHT HERE IN THE SHIRAH RESTAURANT.
SO THAT'S DOLLARS I'M TAKEN OUT OF THE TOWN.
AND I THINK THAT YOU NEED TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS, THAT IS, IS IS BEDED INTO A 50 YEAR REGULATION WHEN WE WERE WANTED TO OUTLAW THESE UNRULY DISCO.
SO THIS IS A DIFFERENT TIME, AND WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT WAS, THAT'S THE PRODUCT OF YOUR YOUTH, MR. SIMON.
UM, I SUGGEST, I DIDN'T SUGGEST, SUGGEST, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND, AND SEE IF IT'S REALLY JARED.
I HAVE A SUGGESTION ON THAT THEN.
'CAUSE WE DO ALLOW CABARETS BY SPECIAL PERMIT IN THE CA DISTRICT ALREADY.
UM, WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE, I'D LIKE TO, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS MOVE IT UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS.
UH, TOM, GO AHEAD VERY QUICKLY, GARRETT.
UM, ON PAGE TWO, UNDER PRINCIPLE USES, IT SAYS TELEPHONE EXCHANGES.
WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT AN ARCHA TERM OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY STILL EXISTS? UH,
I THINK THERE USED TO BE ONE IN THE VERIZON BUILDING, UM, MAYBES OWN L O B
WELL, UH, SO THAT, THAT IS AN OLD RELIC.
UM, SO I'M NOT PROPOSING TO, UH, BROADEN OR ELIMINATE THAT, BUT YEAH.
YES, YOU HAVE SOMETHING GETS MOED OUT.
IF IT DID COME OUT, UM, I THINK NOTHING WILL CHANGE IN THE TOWN.
THIS IS ONE MORE ASPECT OF THIS, UM, CHAIRMAN SCHWARTZ THAT I THINK IS, IS VITAL THAT I, I BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION.
UM, IN TERMS OF ALSO UPDATING THE CODE TO BE, UM, RESPONSIVE TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING THIS DAY AND AGE.
UM, I WANT TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS PORTION HERE.
UH, I'M GONNA GET REALLY ZOOMED IN HERE.
SO, UM, WHAT YOU SEE HERE UNDER F IS, IS CONSISTENT WITH HOW WE TREAT, UH, RESTAURANTS IN PRETTY MUCH MOST, IF NOT ALL, ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE TOWN.
UM, PLEASE DISREGARD THIS LAST, THE LAST STRIKE THROUGH.
I'LL, I'LL GET TO THAT IN A MOMENT.
BUT WHAT YOU SEE STRUCK OUT IN THE, IN THE UPPER PORTION IS OKAY, FULLY ENCLOSED RESTAURANT USE OTHER THAN CABARET, WHICH WE JUST HEARD ABOUT.
UM, SO THIS IS UNDER THE SPECIAL PERMIT SECTION, AND THAT'S CONSISTENT PRETTY MUCH THROUGHOUT THE CODE.
YOU GUYS DO GREAT JOB, UM, REVIEWING THE, THE RESTAURANTS, HOWEVER, UM, IT PRECLUDES DINER OR SIMILAR STRUCTURES, OUTDOOR COUNTER SERVICE DRIVE IN OR CURB SERVICE.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS, UM, LET'S JUST SAY PANERA CALLS UP THE TOWN AND SAYS, WE'VE IDENTIFIED, UH, A VACANCY.
WE'D LOVE TO BRING A PANERA TO YOUR SITE.
WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE A RESTAURANT UNDER YOUR CODE.
AND IF THEY INDICATED THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS FOR US IS THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE, WE UTILIZE APPS, OUR CUSTOMIZED, OUR CUSTOMERS, LIKE OUR APP.
UM, THEY'LL PLACE AN APP ORDER ON THEIR PHONE.
UH, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THREE OR FOUR PARKING SPACES FOR THAT CUSTOMER TO COME IN.
WE WILL RUN THE FOOD OUT TO THEM.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME INSIDE.
AND IT JUST CATERING TO PREFERENCE OF SOME CUSTOMERS.
NOT ALL CUSTOMERS WILL WANT THAT.
SO, UM, WITHOUT THIS, UM, REMOVAL OF, OF THIS PROHIBITION, WHAT I WOULD TELL THEM IS, UH, UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU AS A PANERA IN THE TOWN.
HOWEVER, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THOSE DEDICATED SPACES AND YOU INTEND ON RUNNING FOOD OUT TO THE PERSON THAT MAKES THE PURCHASE ON THE APP, I WOULD SAY UNFORTUNATELY, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT PERMITTED.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HOPE YOU COME TO
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THE TOWN, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO PERMIT THAT.THERE'S REALLY NO WAIVER THAT CAN BE GRANTED.
UM, I THINK IT'S LOGICAL THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT PANERA WILL SAY, OKAY, THANK YOU.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR US.
WE'RE GONNA GO SEEK, YOU KNOW, UH, A LOCATION ELSEWHERE IN THE TOWN.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, DITTO THAT FOR SOME OF THESE OTHER, AND WITH THE PANDEMIC AMPLIFIED, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL WINDOW SERVICE, UM, SOME PEOPLE LIKE THAT OPTION, THEY MAY NOT WANT TO GO INSIDE.
AND, AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WINDOWS SERVICE IS GONNA WORK GREAT IN ALL LOCATIONS OR MANY LOCATIONS.
AND IT ALSO DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE SAYING THERE SHOULD BE NO OVERSIGHT HERE.
UM, WINDOWS SERVICE, CURB SERVICE, THE LOCATION OF THE CURB SERVICE, THAT WOULD ALL BE SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN.
WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT THAT WOULDN'T OCCUR, BUT AT LEAST TO, YOU KNOW, TO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS MODERNIZING THIS ASPECT OF OUR RESTAURANT SO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY CAN ENABLE WHAT RESTAURANTS WANNA DO IN 2022.
UM, IT'S ONLY, YOU KNOW, UH, BECOMING MORE PREVALENT.
SO, WANTED TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THAT.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, UM, I THINK THIS IS A PRETTY GOOD LAW, AND I, I THINK THAT IT, IT DOES IMPROVE WHERE, WHERE WE'RE AT IS, WALTER, IS THAT YOUR HAND FROM BEFORE? YES.
BECAUSE MY QUESTION, MY, MY ISSUE IS NEVER ADDRESSED ABOUT THE CABARET.
WHAT, IF ANYTHING IS, IS GOING TO BE DONE ABOUT, I AM GONNA SUGGEST THAT.
MAR LET ME FINISH MY STATEMENT AND THEN I'LL LET YOU SAY SOMETHING.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS MOVE THIS AHEAD WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO BE DRAFTED, UH, BY, UH, STAFF FOR APPROVAL AT THE NEXT MEETING.
I WOULD INCLUDE IN THAT THE CONCEPT OF, OF ALLOWING CABARET BY SPECIAL PERMIT AS A POSSIBILITY.
THAT'S THE WAY I WOULD ADDRESS THAT, WALTER, THANK YOU.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH, UH, WHAT WE DO IN CENTRAL AVENUE.
YEARS AGO WAS THE LAST CABARET I THINK WE APPROVED WAS MAYBE, SO, UM, MONA, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? YES.
THE, UM, CURB SERVICE THAT GARRETT WAS JUST REFERRING TO, IS THAT ONLY FOR RESTAURANTS OR IS IT FOR OTHER BUSINESSES AS WELL? UM, WE HAVE ONLY SPECIFIED THIS FOR RESTAURANTS.
UM, THERE'S NOT A PRO AN EXPRESS PROHIBITION FOR OTHER USES.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, DAVID OR A AARON, IF SOMEONE FEELS OTHERWISE, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD BE PRECLUDED.
I THINK IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
BUT WHAT YOU SAW ON THE SCREEN THERE, AND I CAN BRING IT BACK IF NEEDED, BUT IT IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED, TIED TO THIS USE.
SO, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ELIMINATE, DO WE WANNA OPEN IT UP TO OTHER BUSINESSES AS WELL, OR DO WE WANNA KEEP IT JUST FOR RESTAURANTS? IT'S ONLY PROHIBITED WITH RESPECT TO, IT'S ONLY PROHIBITED RESTAURANTS.
SO BY DOING NOTHING, IT'S, IT'S NOT PRECLUDED FOR OTHER USES.
BUT I WOULD MAKE THE CASE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT SHOULD BE SUBJECT TO, YOU KNOW, OVERSIGHT BY THE TOWN.
WHETHER IT'S VIA SITE PLAN APPROVAL OR OKAY.
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S ONLY PROHIBITED FOR RESTAURANT? YES.
UM, IS THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD THAT WE SHOULD, UH, DIRECT, UH, MR. SCHMIDT AND STAFF TO, I KNOW IT'S GONNA END UP WITH MATT.
EVERYTHING ENDS UP WITH MATT THESE DAYS.
IT, OH, WE'RE DIRECTING MATT TO DO THIS.
WE'RE DIRECTING DIRECTING GARRETT TO DIRECT TO, TO MATT, DIRECT MATT, TO DO THIS AND DRAFT A, A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATION THAT CABARETS BE ADDED AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UM, IS THAT IT ALREADY HAS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT? NO, NO.
UM, SPEAKING OF CA, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION, UM, I LOOKED AT THE YEAH.
VOICE FOR THE AUTO, UM, DEALERSHIPS.
AND THERE IS NO, UH, DISTANCE PROHIBITION OKAY.
I WA I THINK THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN, UH, THE FACT IS THIS IS SUCH A, A BROKEN UP DISTRICT.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN PUT TOO MANY OF THEM ANYWAY.
SO I WOULD, I I, I'LL YIELD ON THAT ONE FOR THE TIME BEING.
IS THERE A CONSENSUS THAT, THAT WE SHOULD THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE DIRECT MATT, TO STAY AFTER WORK AND, AND DO THIS? YES.
MICHAEL, YOU OKAY? THUMBS UP, MICHAEL.
SO THAT'S, WE'RE GONNA, ERIN'S GOT A COMMENT.
AARON, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT YOU WANNA BE, AS GARRETT WALKED US THROUGH ZONING MAP AND ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS.
WANNA BE SURE TO INCLUDE THOSE BOTH IN THE MOMENT YEP.
AND THEN GET THE, AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL RATIFY IT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
AND I BELIEVE YOU HAVE TO DO REPORTS ALSO.
YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL LEAVE ME IN A COUPLE MONTHS.
HE COULD'VE HELPED THE POOR GUY.
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YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO.I'LL INCLUDE THAT IN THE MINUTES.
WE'RE ALREADY GONNA GET YELLED AT BY WALTER.
'CAUSE I THINK WE WERE GONNA GO A LITTLE BIT OVER TONIGHT BECAUSE, UM, NO, I'D LIKE TO, I HAVE PACKING TO DO.
WELL, ACTUALLY WITH THIS NEXT ONE, IT MAY HELP YOUR PACKING, IT MAY IMPROVE YOUR PERFORMANCE.
NEXT CASE IS TB 2202, WHICH IS AN AMENDMENT, UH, TO ALLOW ADULT USE CANNABIS.
AND THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT CATEGORIES WHICH, UM, GARRETT WILL TAKE US THROUGH.
IT ISN'T JUST THE, UH, COMMISSARY.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE SEVERAL LEVELS, UH, THAT HAVE TO BE DONE IN THIS.
UH, IT'S A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT.
IT WAS REFERRED FROM THE TOWN BOARD.
AS WE KNOW, THE TOWN BOARD, UH, LAST YEAR ADOPTED, AGREED THAT THEY WOULD ALLOW CANNABIS IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE LOUNGES.
THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT, UH, IT WAS THAT WE OPTED OUT OF.
BUT WE DID OPT IN TO THE REST OF THE, THE LAW, UH, THE REST OF THE CONCEPT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS A DRAFT LAW OF.
SO, GARRETT, WHY DON'T YOU JUST, UH, TAKE US THROUGH THE, THE LAW.
UM, YOU MAY WANNA TAKE US THROUGH THE DEFINITIONS SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE DEFINITIONS, AND THEN TAKE US THROUGH WHERE ALL THOSE THINGS ARE GOING.
SO, YES, WE'RE, WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS THE, UH, ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT FOR, FOR CANNABIS.
AND, UH, AS WAS MENTIONED, UM, YES, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK.
YOU'VE PROBABLY READ MANY ARTICLES ABOUT WHICH COMMUNITIES OPTED IN AND OPTED OUT, UM, OF RETAIL CANNABIS.
BUT, UH, WHAT THIS, THIS LAW DOES IS, UH, THE INTENT IS TO TAKE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH.
NOT ONLY DISCUSS, UM, RETAIL, UH, RECREATIONAL CANNABIS, WHICH, UM, THE TOWN DID NOT OPT OUT, BUT IT'S ALSO GOING TO, UM, COMPREHENSIVELY LOOK AT, UH, THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S BLOWN OUT HERE.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO THE, YOUR FONTS ARE, GARRETT, WHAT WERE YOU, UH, DOING WHEN THOSE FONTS HAPPENED? I THINK THE FONTS WERE ENJOYING A LITTLE CANNABIS.
I HAVE IT AVAILABLE IF, UH, NEED BE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE FONTS.
I, YEAH, AARON, WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND SHARE THAT, UH, LAW.
THIS ONE ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOOD HANDWRITING ON IT TOO.
DID YOU GO FROM P D F TO EXCEL OR SOMETHING? NO.
SO AARON, YEAH, IF YOU COULD JUST POST THE LAW AND THEN I WILL, I'M GONNA KIND OF GO BACK AND FORTH WITH THE MAP, SO I MIGHT, UM, PREEMPT THAT FOR A COUPLE TIMES.
BUT, UH, YEAH, SO WE'RE LOOKING TO COMPREHENSIVELY ADDRESS CANNABIS, BUT IN ADDITION TO RETAIL, UM, THERE ARE OTHER ASPECTS OF THE INDUSTRY THAT, UM, OFFICE OF CANNABIS MANAGEMENT HAS HIGHLIGHTED.
AND, UH, WE WANT, WE DO NOT WANNA BE SILENT ON THEM.
SO THOSE ARE, UH, ADULT, ADULT USE, COMMERCIAL CANNABIS CULTIVATOR, UH, CANNABIS DISTRIBUTOR, CANNABIS NURSERY, UH, CANNABIS PROCESSOR.
SO THOSE ARE THE USES THAT, UM, HAVEN'T BEEN TALKED ABOUT MUCH, BUT WE'RE GONNA GET INTO THAT.
BUT OF COURSE, WE CERTAINLY WILL BE DISCUSSING, UH, RETAIL, CANNABIS, UH, OPERATIONS, WHICH ARE TWOFOLD.
THERE'S MEDICAL AND THEN THERE'S RECREATIONAL.
AND BEFORE I DO THAT, WHAT I'D LIKE TO NOTE IS THAT, UM, I I, AARON, NOW I'M GONNA, IF YOU COULD STOP SHARE, I'M GONNA RE-SHARE, UH, WITH, WITH THE MAPPING.
'CAUSE I REALLY WANT TO, UH, FOCUS IN ON THE MAPPING, WHICH WILL HELP FOR A MOMENT.
SO, UH, WHAT YOU HAVE HERE, AGAIN, IS THE MAP OF THE TOWN.
AND THIS MAP DISPLAYS, UH, THREE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE TOWN.
UM, THE PD IS THE, UH, COMMERCIAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OR NON-RESIDENTIAL, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
AND THAT'S IN THE AREA IN GREEN HERE, UH, NORTHERN PART OF THE TOWN, UM, ON EACH SIDE OF, OF ROOTS, UH, NINE A SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
AND YOU COULD THINK ROADS LIKE CLEARBROOK ROAD, UH, EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, FAIRVIEW PARK DRIVE, SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, OF COURSE, FIELD CREST DRIVE.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, YES, THERE IS ANOTHER POCKET OF, UM, PD DISTRICT OVER HERE, WHICH IS PRIMARILY SIEMENS.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A BUILT OUT USE.
THAT'S AN R AND D USE, THAT'S A, THAT'S THE ONE OFF ONE 19 UP THE HILL, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THEN WHAT WE DISPLAY ON THE MAP IS GI GENERAL INDUSTRIAL, OF WHICH THERE ARE TWO, UH, POLYGONS,
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UH, DOWN IN THE SOUTH PART OF THE TOWN, UM, OFF OF SAWMILL RIVER ROAD AND LAWRENCE STREET.UH, SO YOU CAN THINK LIFE, THE PLACE TO BE, UM, IN SOME OF THOSE USES.
AND THEN THE, THE, THE, IN THE NORTHERN PART OF TOWN, JUST PART OF, JUST NORTH OF, UH, THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD.
THERE'S ANOTHER PART POCKET OF LI AND THEN WE'VE, OR I'M SORRY, GI.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT POLYGONS OF LI SO NOW I'LL ZOOM IN.
UH, AND THOSE POCKETS, OFI BIG POLYGON AROUND WAREHOUSE LANE, UH, TO THE WEST OF SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, NORTH OF THE VILLAGE, THERE'S A SMALL PO POCKET, UM, NINE A, UM, NEAR WEST BROOK PARK.
AND THEN THERE'S A POCKET OLD TARRYTOWN ROAD.
AND THEN THERE'S EVEN A BIT OF ALLY ON ONE 19.
SO BEFORE, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, REZONING, UH, ALL OF ONE 19, THE INTENT WOULD BE ACTUALLY FOR THIS ALLY TO, TO, TO GO AWAY.
NOW, THE REASON WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED THESE THREE COLORS, AND I FEEL LIKE WE'LL GET BACK TO THE LAW, BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD TO SEE THIS IN MAP FORM, IS WITH RESPECT TO RETAIL CANNABIS, BOTH MEDICAL AND RECREATIONAL, THE PROPOSAL IS TO ALLOW IN THE PD DISTRICT, THE GREEN POLYGON THAT USE BY SPECIAL PERMIT OF THE TOWN BOARD WITH OBVIOUSLY, UH, BOTH GENERAL AND SPECIAL, UH, SPECIFIC SPECIAL PERMIT CRITERIA.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE TOWN, AND OF COURSE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD NEVER CONSIDER, UM, FOR RETAIL.
UM, BUT IT, IT WOULD PLACE, UM, THE POTENTIAL FOR, FOR RETAIL, UH, CANNABIS IN THIS, THIS ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, WE HAVE OTHER MAPPING WHICH I CAN DISPLAY AS PART OF THE SPECIAL PERMIT CRITERIA.
THERE ARE, UH, SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, UH, FROM MINIMUM SETBACK, UH, REQUIREMENTS FROM SCHOOLS AND AS WELL AS PARKS, UM, WHICH WOULD ELIMINATE SOME OF THE PD DISTRICT.
BUT I THINK A MAJORITY OF THE PD PD DISTRICT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE.
UM, SO THAT WAS A COMPONENT OF THE TOWN BOARD, UM, RESOLUTION WHEN THE BOARD DECIDED TO OPT IN, WHICH IS THE OPPOSITE OF, UH, NOT OPTING OUT, UM, WAS, WAS THE TOWN BOARD MADE A CONSCIOUS DECISION TO, UH, FOCUS ON THIS INDUSTRIAL AREA WHERE THERE ARE POTENTIAL OPTIONS ON NINE A AND AGAIN, IN SOME OF THOSE OTHER STREETS THAT I IDENTIFIED.
UM, THE OTHER USES THAT I STARTED OFF THE PRESENTATION WITH, AND AGAIN, UH, CULTIVATOR DISTRIBUTOR, CANNABIS NURSERY, CANNABIS PROCESSING, UM, THOSE ARE PROPOSED IN THE LI AND GI DISTRICT.
UM, AND THAT WOULD ALSO BE SPECIAL PERMIT AND ALL, AND ALSO THE PD DISTRICT.
SO, UM, YEAH, LEMME ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT, ABOUT, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS, YOU KNOW, CULTIVATOR AND A NURSERY.
IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY, UM, EMISSIONS FROM ANY OF THE, ANY OF THESE KINDS OF FACILITIES WHEN THEY TREAT THE PRODUCT? YEAH, GOOD QUESTION.
SO THE SPECIAL PERMIT CRITERIA FOR CULTIVATOR DISTRIBUTOR, NURSERY PROCESSOR, THE NUMBER ONE CRITERIA IN EACH OF THOSE FROM A SPECIAL PERMIT CRITERIA IS THAT IT HAS TO BE FULLY ENCLOSED, RIGHT? SO WHAT THIS DOES IS IT ELIMINATES OUTDOOR, UM, NURSERIES OR CULTIVATORS, AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE USES HAS TO BE FULLY ENCLOSED.
IT ALSO HAS, UM, SPECIFIC INFORMATION ABOUT, UH, NOISE FUMES, ODORS, THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO THAT WOULD BE A SUBMISSION OF, UM, THE SPECIAL PERMIT APPLICATION.
AND IT WOULD BE INCUMBENT UPON THAT APPLICANT TO ENSURE THAT INDEED, YES, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE, WELL, THAT'S THE QUESTION I HAVE.
UH, DO WE KNOW OF ANY OF THOSE USES HAVE ANY, ANY KIND OF EMISSIONS THAT WE HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT? SO WHAT, WHAT
SO I DON'T HAVE, UM, UH, BUILDING INSPECTOR OR NEW YORK STATE, UH, BUILDING CODE, UH, INFORMATION, LEVEL INFORMATION FOR YOU ON, UM, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY TO WHAT DEGREE THAT'S MITIGATED.
BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
BUT, UM, PROBABLY SHOULD, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE TO BE EXISTING FACILITIES THAT WE CAN GET A READ ON.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS, MAYBE NONE.
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TO CURE THIS STUFF.WELL, SO ALSO BESIDES EMISSIONS, WHEN THEY'RE CULTIVATING, THAT'S LIKE FARMING BASICALLY, RIGHT? SO I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT WHAT KIND OF WASTE THERE WOULD BE.
AND TO TOM'S POINT ABOUT MAYBE LOOKING AT SOMEONE ELSE WHO'S DONE IT, WE'RE
IF I COULD JUMP, IF I COULD JUMP IN FOR A MOMENT.
UH, 'CAUSE I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS A, A, A LONG LINE.
I I THINK THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE EXCELLENT QUESTIONS AND, UH, I THINK WE NEED TO, UH, GET THOSE ANSWERS.
UM, THESE, UH, UNLIKE THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST PART OF THAT, WHICH WAS WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE RECREATIONAL OR NOT, WE CAN'T, CANNOT OPT OUT OF THESE.
UH, SO WE HAVE TO ALLOW THESE IN TOWN.
UM, AND, BUT WE, WE CAN LIMIT BY, UM, BY, UH, UH, WHERE WE LOCATE THEM IN THE TOWN.
UH, WITH THAT SAID, UM, I KNOW GARRETT, 'CAUSE HE ASKED ME AND I I GAVE HIM THE NAME OF SOMEONE AT NEW YORK STATE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS LAW.
I DON'T THINK WE GOT ANY, UH, AT THE OFFICE.
WE DID NOT GET, UH, ANY FEEDBACK NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE.
BUT I THINK THAT'S A, A PERSON, AND THERE MAY BE OTHERS THAT, UH, THE QUESTIONS THAT, UH, HAVE BEEN ASKED SO FAR AND PROBABLY MORE WE CAN GO BACK TO THEM AND, AND ASK ABOUT EMISSIONS ABOUT DAVE.
I'D, I'D CALL THE STATE OF MASSA.
I'D CALL THE COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS.
IT'S BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE,
OKAY, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TO DO IT, KURT, I SEE YOUR HAND, SO DON'T WORRY, I'LL GET TO YOU.
UM, I, I, I, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE, 'CAUSE WHAT I, IF THERE ARE SOME EMISSIONS, WE MAY WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S NOT LIKE RIGHT NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA, FOR EXAMPLE.
OR MAYBE IF YOU LIVE IN THAT HOUSE, YOU WANT IT NEXT TO, TO, TO LIVE NEXT TO IT.
BUT WE AT LEAST NEED TO, TO TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE THAT.
AND SO WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW IS TRULY, AND, AND LESLIE'S POINT'S A GOOD ONE TOO.
IT COULD, COULD HAPPEN FROM WASTE AS WELL.
SO WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT STEP BEFORE WE DECIDE WE'RE REPLACING THESE THINGS, I THINK.
AND WHAT, WHAT I, SO I, I AGREE.
UM, ONE THING THAT I FAILED TO MENTION AND AND I CAN DISPLAY IN A MOMENT IS, UM, WHEN WE INCORPORATE THE PROHIBITIONS, UH, WITH RESPECT TO, UH, MINIMUM REQ LINEAR FEAT FROM EXISTING SCHOOLS AND PUBLIC PARKS, IT DOES ELIMINATE THIS WHOLE SECTOR HERE, THIS SECTOR HERE, THIS SECTOR HERE.
AND WHAT IT DOES IS IT ONLY ALLOWS STICK THE INDUSTRIAL AREA E EXACTLY.
SO I MEAN, THIS AREA HERE IS, YOU KNOW, FOR THE MOST PART, WELL, BUFFERED FROM ANY RESIDENTIAL, NOT ON THE OTHER SIDE, THOUGH.
SO WE'LL GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE ODOR AND SEE IF, YOU KNOW, THERE REALLY SHOULD BE A CONNECTION BETWEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, ADDING KURT'S BEEN WAITING FOR QUESTION.
I THINK, UH, UH, I WAS RECENTLY IN CALIFORNIA AND, UH, AND IN, AND, AND OF ALL PLACES IN CALIFORNIA, OAKLAND, THOSE WHO ARE THE GUYS WHO HAD LEGALIZED THIS THING IS LONG BEFORE, UH, ANYBODY HAS EVEN THOUGHT OF IT.
AND I ASK AROUND TO, UH, PEOPLE, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY HAVE, UH, DEMYSTIFY AND, AND, AND KIND OF, UH, UH, DE ROMANTICIZE OR DE UH, KIND OF CRIMINAL CRIMINALIZED, AND IT REFLECTS INTO THE LOCAL, UH, LOCAL ZONING AND LOCAL, UH, LOCAL AND LOCAL LAWS.
SO IT, IT'S, IT'S, I THINK IN EAST COAST, THEY STILL HAVE THAT HANGOVER FROM, UH, UH,
AND I THINK, UH, WHAT I SEE HERE IS THAT WE ARE SORT OF TAKING THIS THING IS INTO A VERY, UH, RESTRICTIVE AND KIND OF, UH, UH, OPEN TO A LOT OF ABUSE AND LOT OF, UH, NON-COMPLIANCE.
SO I DON'T KNOW, HOW DO WE DEAL WITH IT? UH, SO THAT'S MY ONE COMMENT.
SECOND COMMENT IS, DO THEY HAVE A, UH, KIND OF A MODEL LAW THAT NEW YORK STATE HAS, UH, PUT OUT FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THAT OPTS IN? WE HAVE NOT MY QUESTIONS.
YEAH, WE, REGARDING YOUR SECOND ONE, WE HAVE NOT, UM, REALLY SEEN THAT BECAUSE REALLY THE
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CORRECT, THE ANSWER IS WHAT'S LEFT TO US IS REALLY WHERE TO ZONE.AND SO THAT BECOMES A VERY LOCAL ISSUE.
SO EVEN IF WE HAD, AND THERE ARE A COUPLE UNI MUNICIPALITIES HAVE DONE IT, BUT EVEN WHERE THEY HAVE IT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT TOWN IS LIKE, AND YOU KNOW, WHERE, UH, IF IT'S IN THEIR COMMERCIAL DISTRICT A OR B OR OR SOMETHING.
SO, UH, WHAT WE ARE FACED WITH WAS, IS DIRECTION FROM THE TOWN BOARD AS TO WHERE THEY WANT TO SEE, UM, THESE, YOU KNOW, THESE WITHIN THE TOWN.
AND LIKE I SAID, LIKE GARRETT SAID, THEY'RE BASICALLY TWO AREAS.
THERE'S THE DISPEN DISPENSARY AREA, THAT'S ONE ISSUE.
AND THEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE REST, THE MANUFACTURING, THE, THE CULTIVATION AND THAT SORT OF THING, AND THE DIRECTION, THE DISPENSARY'S GONNA BE THE MORE CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE, DAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT I TOLD PEOPLE UN UNLESS WE WERE YES.
I PARTIC PARTICULARLY, PARTICULARLY IF WE CAN, WE NEED TO, ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO IN THIS LAW IS CONTROL SIGNAGE AND ADVERTISING AND MAKE THIS AS LOW KEY AS POSSIBLE.
LIKE THE ONE THAT'S IN WHITE PLAINS ON POST ROAD, YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IT'S THERE.
UH, MONA, YOU HAD A COMMENT? I, YEAH, I MEAN, IT, IT, IT'S NOT JUST THE GROWING, IT'S ALSO THE PROCESSING OF THIS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S SO MUCH DIFFERENT PROCESSING.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S OILS, THERE'S BUDS, THERE'S FLOWERS, THERE'S TINCTURES, THERE'S VAPES, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS THAT IT'S SOLD AND, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE PROCESSING WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO IT.
AND I AGREE WITH YOU, WITH THE WHITE PLAIN STORE, THE ONE IN YONKERS, YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IT'S THERE.
THERE'S LA PARKING AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT GO ON AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THIS BUSINESS IS THERE.
IT'S IN AN OFFICE BUILDING WITH ATTORNEYS, SO NOBODY EVEN KNOWS GOING PERFECT PLACE FOR IT.
I THINK DAVE OR OFFICE BUILDING WITH ATTORNEYS, WHAT DO YOU THINK? I THINK IT'S A PERFECT, I THINK SO.
UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T SEE WHY IT CAN'T BE ON CENTRAL AVENUE, QUITE FRANKLY.
I, I THINK WHAT GARRETT SHOULD DO IS JUST GET TO THE, THE MAPS THAT SHOW WITH THE RESTRICTIONS WHERE THE, THE, THESE ARE LIKE, WHERE, WHERE COULD YOU, DO WE COME UP WITH 500 FEET FROM A PARK? WHERE DID THAT NUMBER COME FROM? MAR? HOLD ON.
GARRETT, DO YOU HAVE THAT THING WITH THIS? WITH, WITH, WITH WHAT DAVE JUST SAID? I THINK WE HAVE A MULTIPLE.
I'LL BRING THAT UP IN A MOMENT HERE.
I MEAN, THE, THE ISSUES ON THE COMMERCIAL, ON THE MANUFACTURING SIDE, I THINK ARE VERY MUCH ENVIRONMENTAL THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND BEFORE WE RATIFY THIS, MY BOOK.
YEAH, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO SOME MORE DUE DILIGENCE ON, UM, OKAY.
SO WHAT THIS MAP DISPLAYS IS IT HAS THE, THE GREEN SIDEWAYS HATCH FOR, UM, LINE TYPE HATCH FOR SCHOOLS AND PARKS, AND THEN A 500 FOOT OFFSET FROM THOSE, UM MM-HMM.
SO WE ACTUALLY DID IT TOWN WIDE, BUT WHAT YOU SEE IS THAT THIS AREA IS, IS NOT IMPACTED AT ALL.
UM, BUT AS I IDENTIFIED, UM, THIS AREA WOULD BE IMPACTED AS WOULD, WOULD THESE TWO AREAS, UM, SO LIKE THOSE PROCESSING USES WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED HERE.
UM, BUT THE PROCESSING START WITH THAT ARBITRARY NUMBER, GARRETT OF 500 FEET.
UM, I THINK, SO WE'VE SEEN NUMBERS OF, OF, OF VARIETY.
SOME ARE SMALLER, SOME, SOME HAVE NONE.
SOME HAVE LET, LET, LET, LET 'EM FINISH, MONA, BUT GARRETT, JUST FINISH, FINISH
IF ONCE YOU EMPLOY THE, THE 500 FOOT, UM, PROVISION, YOU STILL REMAIN WITH A, A, A, A MAJORITY OF THE PD MINUS, UH, SIEMENS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T PROBABLY MAKE SENSE.
UM, AND YOU DO, UH, REMAIN WITH A MAJORITY OF THE GI AND THEI, UM, FOR THE POTENTIAL FOR PROCESSING PLANTS WITH WHICH THE, THE MINDSET THERE IS YES, IF, IF THE OWNERS ARE NOT AN ISSUE, UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL DO SOME MORE RESEARCH THERE, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A PRODUCTIVE WAY TO FILL, YOU KNOW, A VACANT WAREHOUSE AND GET SOME EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY NOTICED IT BACK IN THERE.
I DON'T THINK WHAT, DON'T THINK ANYBODY EVEN NOTICE, NOTICE IT BACK IN THERE.
I, I, AS I SAID OUTSIDE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE, I DON'T HAVE A HUGE CONCERN ABOUT THAT.
ONE, THE 500 FEET TO ME, FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKS AND SCHOOLS.
I AGREE WITH MONA, AND I SEE YOUR HAND, TOM, I SEE LESLIE'S HAND TOO.
GIMME A SECOND, IS VERY SHORT DISTANCE.
PEOPLE WALKING TO AND FROM SCHOOLS, THEY'RE WALKING TO AND FROM PARKS, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA RUN INTO THIS PLACE.
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I DON'T, I THINK IT MAY MAKE PEOPLE FEEL GOOD, BUT THAT'S ALL IT DOES.PLUS WE'RE PUT PLACING IT IN AN, IN AN AREA WHERE THE WESTCHESTER SKATING ACADEMY IS.
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THAT PLACE ON THE WEEKEND? AND ALL THE KIDS THAT EVEN DURING THE WEEK IN THE WINTER, THERE'RE KIDS HAVING LESSONS THERE ALL THE TIME.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY BUSY.
AND FINALLY, AGAIN, I'VE HEARD MOTOR SAY SOMETHING AND I COULDN'T AGREE MORE.
WE ARE PLACING THIS IN AN AREA THAT HAS HOMES, UH, THE TALKING ABOUT THE COMMISSARY, NOT US HAVE HOMES.
IT HAS, UH, GREENBURG HOUSING AUTHORITY APARTMENTS.
I, I THINK THAT IN, IN THE LE ONE OF THE LESS AFFLUENT PARTS OF GREENBURG.
I FIND THAT TO BE, UH, UNFORTUNATE TO SAY THE LEAST.
AND I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY A COMMISSARY DONE CORRECTLY AND TASTEFULLY CAN'T GO ON ONE 19 OR CENTRAL AVENUE.
BEN, THEN JOHANN, I DON'T KNOW IF CORRECT, THIS IS FROM BEFORE.
GARY, I WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING YOU SAID A COUPLE TIMES WHERE YOU SAID THE LAW, UM, IS GONNA PROHIBIT THE CULTIVATION AND PROCESSING DISTRIBUTION AND NURSERY WITHIN 500 FEET OF A SCHOOL.
APART IN, IN WHAT I'M READING HERE, I ONLY SEE THE 500 FOOT, UM, DISTANCE LISTED UNDER DISPENSARIES.
AND MATT, MATT CALLED THAT TO MY ATTENTION TOO, RIGHT? I THINK, YEAH, THAT, I THINK, I BELIEVE THAT'S INTENTIONAL.
UH, THE 500 FOOT PROVISION IS FOR THE, UM, RETAIL, UM, USES ONLY.
THANKS MATT, FOR CALLING THAT OUT.
LESLIE, I'M SORRY, I'M ON, I CAN'T, MY VIDEO AND, AND AUDIO DON'T WORK TOO GOOD TOGETHER.
BUT I THINK, CAN WE SEPARATE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF A DISPENSARY OR A COMMERCIAL PLACE, RETAIL PLACE WHERE PEOPLE GO AND BUY AND WHERE THEY PROCESS IN TERMS OF WHERE WE PUT THIS? BECAUSE I DO AGREE THAT I, I THINK IT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN TERMS OF WHERE PEOPLE GO TO BUY, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S FOR MEDICAL REASONS.
IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, UH, UH, THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF NOW IS OUT THERE.
SO WHEN YOU SAY PUT IT ON ONE 19 WHERE PEOPLE GO TO BUY, BUT WHERE YOU PROCESS IT AND WHERE YOU GROW, THAT'S WHY MY CONCERN IN TERMS OF FERTILIZERS AND THAT KIND OF WASTE, SHOULDN'T THAT BE LIKE TWO DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS? THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS.
THE ALL OF THE USES, WHETHER IT'S, UM, UH, RETAIL OR NON-RETAIL, MEANING, UM, THE OTHER INDUSTRY USES, THEY'RE ALL DEFINED.
UM, THE, THE, THE RETAIL WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED IN THE PD AS PROPOSED.
AND WE'RE HEARING FROM SOME MEMBERS THAT IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO BROADEN THAT TO THE CA DISTRICT AND OTHER DISTRICTS ALONG ONE 19 AS EXAMPLE.
UM, BUT I THINK THOSE COMMENTS ARE SPECIFIC TO RETAIL.
SO JUST TO FOLLOW UP, MS. DAVIS, WE, THEY ARE TREATED AS DIFFERENTLY WITH SEPARATE DEFINITIONS AND, UH, IN, WITH DIFFERENT PROVISIONS, UH, BASED ON WHAT ZONING DISTRICT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO, BUT FROM THE MAP THAT I'M SEEING, THE EVERYTHING IS, IS, IS FOCUSED IN ONE PARTICULAR AREA AFTER YOU DO THE 500 FEET? NO, ON ONLY THE COMMISSARIES GO INTO THE GREEN AREA.
THE OTHER ONES CAN BE IN THE PURPLE, THE PURPLE OR BLUE AREAS THAT ARE LEFT.
WALTER, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S MISSING ON THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION IS THE FACT THAT, UH, UH, OUR JAILS, UH, WERE FILLED UP WITH PEOPLE OF COLOR FOR SMOKING MARIJUANA.
NOW THAT IT IS LEGAL IN CALIFORNIA, ARGUABLY THE POTHEAD STATE OF THE NATION, UH, AS OF THREE MONTHS AGO, THERE'S ONLY ONE LICENSED, UH, UH, PERSON OF COLOR IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
SO PEOPLE OF COLOR PAID THE PRICE, BUT THEY'RE NOT BENEFITING FROM NOW THAT IT'S LEGAL AND I, DIFFERENT TOWNS AND DIFFERENT STATES MADE DIFFERENT TYPES
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OF ARRANGEMENTS, BUT I SEE NOTHING IN THIS DRAFT THAT EVEN SPEAKS TO THAT ISSUE, IF I CAN.SO, MR. SIMON, UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT, JUST JUST ONE QUICK ONE BACKYARD, AND DAVE GARRETT.
UM, IN, IN GRANT, WHEN NEW YORK STATE CAME OUT WITH THE LEGISLATION, THEY DID IDENTIFY THAT THERE SHOULD BE A SOCIAL JUSTICE COMPONENT.
UM, AND WE'RE ALSO PRIVY TO THE FACT THAT, UM, WHEN THERE'S PROPOSALS FOR LICENSES, THE STATE'S GONNA CHECK IN WITH THE MUNICIPALITY, UM, TO UNDERSTAND ZONING AND A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, ELEMENTS, UH, WITH THE PROPOSAL.
UM, SO IF THE TOWN HAD A STATED PREFERENCE THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, PRODUCTIVE FROM A SOCIAL JUSTICE PERSPECTIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THE TOWN COULD CONVEY TO THE STATE WHEN THERE'S PERSPECTIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT WANT LICENSES LICENSE WIDE RULE, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD RECOMMEND TO BE, YOU KNOW, ADDED EITHER IN THE INTENT OF THE LAW.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D NECESSARILY WOULD CODIFY THAT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, ANYWAY, YOU SLICE IT.
YOUR, YOUR, YOUR POINT CAN BE ADDED INTO THIS EQUATION.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS AN, ACTUALLY AN INITIATIVE TO GRANT LICENSES TO PEOPLE WHO HAD ACTUALLY BEEN PROSECUTED FOR SELLING MARIJUANA.
DAVE, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S CALLED, UM, I, ENTREPRENEURS, I WAS GONNA SAY, ONE OF THE, DAVE WAS GONNA SAY, UH, A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THAT.
FIRST OF ALL, THAT HAS BEEN THE STATED INTENT OF, OF THE, UM, OF THE STATE, UH, IN ENACTING THE LAW.
UM, AND, AND 'CAUSE I TRY TO WATCH ALL THE, UM, UM, OFFICE OF, UH, CANNABIS MEETINGS.
NOW, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THERE WAS AN INTERESTING ARTICLE, UM, IN, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE NEW YORK TIMES RECENTLY, ABOUT HOW SOME OF THE, UM, LEGACY, UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL LEGACY, UH, ENTREPRENEURS ARE NOT SURE THAT THEY WANNA PARTICIPATE BECAUSE IN SO DOING, UH, IT, UH, THEY CANNOT IMPORT THEIR PRODUCT.
IT HAS, THIS ALL HAS TO BE DONE IN NEW YORK.
SO THERE'S A QUESTION EVEN AMONGST, UH, THE LEGACY, UM, PEOPLE, WHETHER THEY WANT TO, WHETHER THEY WANT TO DO THIS LEGALLY.
UM, I THINK GARRETT SAID SOMETHING VERY, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, WHICH IS BECAUSE WHEN WALTER ASKED THIS QUESTION, I'M, I'M, I WAS SCRATCHING MY HEAD, HOW DO WE DO THAT AND HOW DO WE DO THAT LEGALLY? UM, THAT YOU WANT TO, UM, ENCOURAGE, UM, UH, LEGACY AND, UH, MINORITY, MINORITY, UH, PARTICIPATION.
I THINK YOU, YOU PUT THAT IN OUR, UH, ENABLING LAW WHERE YOU, YOU RECOMMEND THAT, UH, TOWN BOARD DOES THAT, AND, UH, SO THAT THE STATE IS FULLY AWARE THAT THE TOWN OF GREENBURG IS, UH, YOU KNOW, IS, IS IS BUYING INTO THAT.
SO WE SHOULD PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT INTO THE RECOMMENDATION, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THE, UH, THE OFFICE OF CANNABIS MANAGEMENT AND CANNABIS CONTROL BOARD IS THE, UH, ENTITY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EQUITY ENTREPRENEURS THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE MM-HMM.
SO ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS BASICALLY REPLICATE THE LANGUAGE THAT THEY HAVE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN DOING HERE.
UM, I WANTED TO COMMENT ABOUT THE, UH, COMMERCIAL SPACES.
I AGREE WITH K AND THE WORD THAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR KRI WAS, I FORGOT IT MYSELF.
YEAH, WERE SOMEWHERE IN THAT BALLPARK, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD BE THE DIRECTION THAT WE SHOULD HEAD IN.
YOU KNOW, I, I AGREE WITH, I, I THINK IT WAS WALTER THAT BROUGHT IT UP, OR MIGHT HAVE BEEN HUGH ABOUT THE LOCATE, OH NO, IT WAS CORRECT ABOUT THE LOCATION OF WHERE WE'RE PLACING THESE, UH, COMMERCIAL AREAS.
TO ME, IT, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SO STIGMATIZED, IT INVITES, UH, AN ELEMENT INTO THIS HIDDEN AREA FOR THE TYPE OF, UM, COMMODITY THAT'S GOING TO BE PRODUCED.
AND IT NEEDS TO BE OUT IN BROAD DAYLIGHT IN PUBLIC.
IT NEEDS TO BE IN, UM, IN A RETAIL SETTING, IN, IN MY OPINION, EVEN THOUGH IT'S MANUFACTURING, SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A LEGITIMATE BUSINESS WITH LEGITIMATE USE, WITH LEGITIMATE CUSTOMERS.
AND IT'S NOT THE SHADY BUSINESS THAT IT WAS ONCE BELIEVED TO BE.
THERE'S SOME REAL OPPORTUNITY THERE.
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AWAY AT, YOU KNOW, SOME CORNER OF THE TOWN, WE OPEN IT UP THAT PARTICULAR AREA TO AN ELEMENT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY, UM, REMOVE ANY POTENTIAL VITALITY FROM THAT AREA.IF IT WAS, UH, JUST A, A MANUFACTURING AREA TO BEGIN WITH, THEN IT, IT, IT JUST, IT, IT INVITES AN ELEMENT THAT ESSENTIALLY WE WOULDN'T WANT A WELCOMED ANYWHERE ELSE.
AND HUE MADE THE POINT THAT IS ALREADY IN PART OF A TOWN THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY GIVEN THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF ATTENTION.
AND, UM, I I, I JUST THINK IT'S, WE'RE OPENING A CAN OF WORMS BY JUST, UM, ZONING THAT PARTICULAR AREA FOR THAT PARTICULAR USE.
SO ALL OF THE CORRIDORS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, MIXED USE AND REVITALIZATION, THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO CONSIDER FOR, UH, UH, COMMERCIAL MANUFACTURING AS WELL AS DISPENSARY.
WHEN YOU COVER SOMETHING IN SHAME, I THINK, HOLD ON GUYS.
WHO, WHO IS, WHO VOTED VOTE WAS FIRST THEN? CORRECT.
THANK YOU VERY, I, I, I MEAN, I HAVE A, UH, KIND OF FOLLOW UP COMMENTS TO, UH, JOHANS BECAUSE I, I LIVE ON A STREET.
THERE WAS A, UP ON THE END OF, ON, ON EID AVENUE.
THEY HAD A, UH, AL A FACTORY FOR THREE YEARS AND NOBODY KNEW IT.
IT'S AS LEGITIMATE, IT'S BECOME, SAY WHEN YOU, IT, IT, IT'S JUST SO CRAZY.
AND PEOPLE TALK ABOUT 500 FEET, 200 FEET.
I MEAN, MY HOUSE IS ABOUT 200 FEET FROM THAT HOUSE THAT WAS A FACTORY, AND THEY SUPPLIED, UH, DRUGS TO THE METROPOLITAN AREA.
SO I THINK, WELL, UH, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS, IS IT JUST NOT REALLY REFLECTS ONTO THE, TO THE LAW THAT WE ARE TRYING TO LEGISLATE.
I I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT.
MO DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER POINT YOU WANTED TO MAKE? UH, YES, AND I SPOKE OUT OF TURN AND I'M SORRY, CORT.
YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU COVER SOMETHING WITH SHAME, YOU MAKE IT SHAMEFUL.
AND WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT TO THIS.
IT'S NOT, UM, THIS CANNABIS LAW ISN'T SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE COVERED IN SHAME, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO BY HIDING IT AWAY IN A CORNER.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
I, I, I THINK 20 YEARS FROM NOW, WE'RE GONNA BE LAUGHING AT, YOU KNOW, REMEMBER WHEN, OH, YOU'LL BE THE REST OF US.
A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE, A LOT OF US ON THE BOARD AREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO LAUGH BY THEN.
SO, SO I, I THINK ONE LAST COMMENT.
SO IS THAT WAY THAT GARRETT, AGAIN CAN BE INCORPORATED, BUT THE WHOLE CANNIBALS THING INTO A EXISTING, EXISTING LAW THAT WE HAVE, AND WE JUST ADDED ONE MORE USE INTO THE THINGS THAT IS ALREADY SET UP.
SO, UH, IT BECOMES, AND I I AGREE WITH YOU, WITH JOAN OF 20 YEARS FROM NOW, WE WILL BE LAUGHING.
WHY DO YOU HAVE A SEPARATE LEGISLATION FOR CANNABIS? WELL, YOU CAN, YOU CAN PUT WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION YOU BOUGHT, UH, BUT THE TOWN BOARD WILL HIDE IT IN A CORNER.
WELL, YOU KNOW, SO THE ONLY PERSON FOLLOWING THE RULES, HEY GUYS, GUYS, GUYS, ONE AT A TIME RULES.
WALTER'S GONNA HIS HAND RAISE IT.
I, I WOULD MAKE A, A, A BIG DISTINCTION BETWEEN MANUFACTURING AND THE OTHER.
YOU DON'T WANT A FACTORY IN YOUR RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE YOU LIVE.
SO IN TERMS OF PRODUCING, I SEE THAT AS A FACTORY AND I SEE, NO, I HAVE NO PROBLEM PUTTING A FACTORY IN A FACTORY ENVIRONMENT.
THE OTHER USES THAT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH.
WELL, LEMME ASK YOU A QUESTION THOUGH.
I'LL RAISE MY OWN HAND AND RECOGNIZE ME.
UM,
THESE ARE NURSERIES, WHAT DIFFERENCES? WE HAVE NURSERIES IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS RIGHT NOW.
WE GROW STUFF ALL THE TIME IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
IF THIS WERE TOTALLY ENCLOSED, WHAT DIFFERENCE WOULD IT MAKE IF WE'RE GROWING IT THERE? AS LONG AS IT'S, EVERYTHING IS GARRETT HAS PUT IN THE LAW IS THAT IT'S TOTALLY ENCLOSED.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? POINT WELL MADE? I CAN SEE.
OKAY, TOM, TOM, ONE DIFFERENCE IS A NURSERY AS, UH, WE HAVE NOW IS OPEN WITH, YOU KNOW, PLANTS AND GREENERY, WHATEVER.
AND AN ENCLOSED NURSERY IS GONNA BE A BIG WAREHOUSE TYPE BUILDING,
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I ASSUME.IT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT IN THE COMMUNITY.
I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GROWING STUFF THERE, BUT IT'S GONNA BE, UH, A VERY DIFFERENT APPEARANCE AS LESLIE'S SAYING IN, IN THE CHAT HERE.
AND I SEE, I SEE THE TWO OF YOU IN A SECOND.
LESLIE JUST SAID IN THE CHAT, I THINK IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
DO WE STILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE IN TERMS OF PROCESSING? IT'S STILL, WE OUGHT TO BE, THE PROBLEM IS, WE SHOULD THINK OF IT LIKE WE THINK OF A MANUFACTURING PLANT, NOT WHETHER IT'S MANUFACTURING MARIJUANA, YOU KNOW, PROCESSING MARIJUANA OR YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, DOING VODKA.
WE'RE NOW ALLOWING VODKA TO CONVERT, RIGHT? WE HAVE, WE'RE WE'RE, WE CAN PRODUCE VODKA, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO, UM, MONA AND THEN JOHAN AND I THEN I'D LIKE TO TRY TO COME TO A CONCLUSION HERE.
I LIVE NEXT TO SEACO FARMS, WHICH HAS THOSE BIG TENTED BUILDINGS THAT THEY'RE GROWING THINGS, RIGHT? AND LET ME TELL YOU, THERE IS AN ODOR.
THERE IS AN ODOR WHEN THEY'RE BURNING THE PLANTS AND THEY'RE DOING DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO THERE IS AN ODOR THAT YOU CAN SMELL AT TIMES.
SO, SO YOU DON'T WANT THEM BURNING THE MARIJUANA PLANTS NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE? WELL, I WOULD LOVE THAT.
MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE,
UM, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT AT TIMES, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE
WELL, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND AND, AND I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND GARRETT, I THINK LOOKING AT MASSACHUSETTS, LOOKING AT CALIFORNIA, TALKING TO THEM COULD BE HELPFUL IN GUIDING US IN THAT AREA.
'CAUSE THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT THE LONGEST, UH, JOHANN AND THEN I HAVE A SUGGESTION FOR HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.
WELL ACTUALLY, I WAS GONNA MAKE THAT SUGGESTION THAT YOU JUST MADE, THAT THERE'S SO MANY OTHER, UH, TOWNS AND CITIES THAT ARE DOING THIS ALREADY, THAT WE SHOULD FIND OUT WHAT TYPE OF ENVIRONMENTAL RISK, UM, WE WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT AND INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE LAW TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE, YOU KNOW, MANUFACTURERS OR WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO CALL THEM, MY OPINION, INDOOR NURSERIES, WHAT CHEMICALS THEY MIGHT BE USING AND WHAT IMPACT IT COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND THAT WE SHOULD USE IN FORM, UH, UM, OURSELVES AND, AND THE LAW WITH REGARDS TO PLACEMENT OF THESE FACILITS TO DICTATE THE, COULD HELP DICTATE THE ZONING.
QUICKLY, DAVID, UH, THE SUGGESTION IS THAT WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE MORE RECENT ONES.
PART OF THE PROBLEMS WITH CALIFORNIA AND PERHAPS COLORADO IS THEY DID THIS VERY EARLY ON.
WE WANNA MAYBE TRY MASSACHUSETTS, THEN WE MIGHT, YEAH.
WE MIGHT WANT TO HEAR SOME OF THEIR, UH, YOU KNOW, THE MISTAKES THEY MADE, UH, UH, AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING WHAT THEY DID.
WELL, MASSACHUSETTS AND CONNECTICUT TOO, RIGHT? CONNECTICUT'S BEEN DOING THIS FOR A LITTLE WHILE TOO, I THINK, OR NO? I DON'T THINK SO.
UH, NEW JERSEY, MASSACHUSETTS.
MASSACHUSETTS BEEN A FEW YEARS.
SO THEY'D A GOOD PLACE TO START.
UH, MICHAEL, MICHAEL GOLDEN, WHO'S HERE SOMEWHERE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? YOU'VE BEEN QUIET.
LOOK, I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT A MARIJUANA GROWING FACILITY LOOKS LIKE.
MY GUESS IT IS NOT LIKE THE GROWING IMPATIENCE INSIDE A GREENHOUSE.
IT'S PROBABLY VERY SOPHISTICATED.
THERE MIGHT BE MACHINERY, BLOWERS, VENTILATION.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS KIND OF FACILITY LOOKS LIKE, WHAT KIND OF NOISE IT MAKES, HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IN AND OUT WITH TRUCKS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO LOOKING AT THE LAWS OF OTHER STATES.
ALSO, COLORADO, I THINK WAS AN EARLY STATE, UM, PERMITTING MEMBER VERY EARLY.
YOU MAY WANNA LOOK AT COLORADO.
LESLIE WANTS A A NOTICE SITE WALK.
SHE JUST SAID IN, IN THE CHAT.
SUGGESTED LESLIE, I'LL SEE IF WE CAN GET GARRETT TO PAY FOR THAT SIDEWALK.
GARRETT, CAN WE DO A SIDEWALK WALK TO MASSACHUSETTS NOTICE SIDEWALK TRIP.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? TRIP
YOU HAVE PLENTY MONEY TO RIGHT.
YOU HAVE EXTRA MONEY HANGING AROUND.
THIS IS WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD DO.
I, I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION TONIGHT AND I THINK THERE WAS A DIRECTION WHICH YOU'RE HEARING FROM US IN TERMS OF FEEDBACK.
AARON AND, AND MATT, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE THAT YOU HEARD AND GARRETT THAT YOU HEARD A DIRECTION FROM US? YES, I WOULD, BASED ON THAT, TRY TO CAPTURE THAT AND A FIRST DRAFT.
EXCEPT FOR MON COMPLAINING ABOUT BURNING MARIJUANA NEXT TO HER HOUSE.
BUT SERIOUSLY, LET'S TRY TO CAPTURE THE, THE HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
I THINK YOU HEAR STRONG OPPOSITION TO LIMITING, UM, THE COMMISSARY,
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UH, IN, UH, THE, THE ONE ZONE.UM, YOU HEAR CONCERN ABOUT HOW TO, HOW TO PLACE THE, NOT THE DISTRIBUTOR, BUT MORE THE MANUFACTURER, CULTIVATOR, PROCESSOR AND CULTIVATOR.
UH, ONLY BECAUSE WE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AND THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THEM BEFORE WE DECIDE TO PLACE THAT.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE 500 FEET, I THINK IT MEANS NOTHING.
UH, I WOULDN'T PUT IT, I THINK YOU MAY HAVE TO PUT IT IN THERE FOR POLITICAL REASONS MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, I WOULDN'T FALL ON MY SWORD ABOUT IT.
BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW WITH, UH, EDGEMONT AND, UH, THE SMOKE SHOP WITHIN 1200 FEET OF, UH, SEALY PLACE, AND THEY JUST FIGURED OUT THERE'S A LIQUOR STORE THERE FOR 10 YEARS BEFORE THAT.
IT'S NICE THAT THEY FOUND THAT OUT NOW.
UH, BUT THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT PROXIMITY TO SCHOOLS AND PARKS.
I I DON'T THINK IT, FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK IT MAKES A DI DARN BIT OF DIFFERENCE.
BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THE TOWN BOARD MAY WANNA PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN, AND I WOULDN'T OPPOSE IT FOR THAT REASON.
JUST BECAUSE IT DOES APPEASE SOME CONCERN ABOUT IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF FIVE HUNDRED'S GONNA BE ENOUGH.
I THINK, I THINK WHEN THEY GO TO PUBLIC HEARING, I THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE UPSET ABOUT 500.
YOU MAY WANNA MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH THE SMOKE SHOP, STATE LAW AND THE SMOKE SHOP, WHICH IS 1500 FEET FOR ADVERTISING.
YOU MAY WANNA MAKE IT CONSISTENT.
IS THAT ENOUGH TO GO ON GUYS? TO, TO, TO DO A FIRST DRAFT OF A RECCO, YOU THINK? YEAH, I THINK SO.
IT IS, BUT I THINK, UH, AS OPPOSED TO COMING BACK NEXT MEETING, I THINK WE WOULD NEED MORE TIME TO DO THE RESEARCH ON FACILITIES.
UM, JUST IN A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH.
I'VE BEEN SEEING SOME GOOD STUFF.
I I THINK WE'LL COME BACK IN A MONTH PERHAPS.
SO, SO THE SECOND MEETING, AND LET'S TRY TO TARGET, UH, THE SECOND MEETING IN JUNE, THE, THE 15TH OF JUNE.
I, I, I WANNA SAY THAT THE FIRST THING THE AMENDMENT WAS SO, IT'S SO WELL NEEDED AND I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE DOING THINGS STEPWISE.
WE NEED TO DO MORE AND IT'S A FIRST STEP TOWARDS WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO IS COME UP WITH A DYNAMIC ZONING, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, OUR COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, WHICH, WHICH IS SORELY NEEDED, BUT IT IS AN IMPORTANT BANDAID FOR THE MOMENT.
WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
OF ALL THE YEARS I WAS CHAIRMAN, I DON'T THINK I EVER RAN 25 MINUTES OVER.
I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT KNOWN FOR THE RECORD.
YOU KNOW WHAT? OKAY, I'M GONNA GO CHECK THE RECORD MY FRIEND.
THERE ARE PLENTY OF TIMES HE WENT TO 10 30.
WE DID ACCOMPLISH YOUR LIFE TODAY.
AND TONIGHT WAS, TONIGHT WAS TOUGH.
EVERYONE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR PARTICIP TONIGHT.