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[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, June 1, 2022 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
THANK YOU.MATT, ARE YOU GONNA, UH, BE DOING THE HONORS TONIGHT CALLING THE ROLE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT? YEAH, I CAN DO THAT.
UNLESS GARRETT FORGOT HOW TO DO IT.
YOU KNOW, AS HE KEEPS GOING UP AND UP AND UP AND GETTING CLOSER TO BEING TOWN SUPERVISOR, HE'S, UH, FORGOTTEN HOW TO DO THE LITTLE THINGS AND DAVID'S ALREADY HALF INTO RETIREMENT, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHAT THEY SAY.
GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
WELCOME TO THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING OF JUNE 1ST, 2022.
UM, I DO WANNA MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT BEFORE WE START TODAY.
THIS WILL BE, UH, AS LONG AS EVERYTHING KEEPS GOING THE WAY IT IS, OUR LAST, UH, FULLY ZOOM MEETING, AND WE'LL BE BACK IN PERSON STARTING ON JUNE 15TH, UH, 2022.
IT'S A HYBRID OPPORTUNITY, THOUGH.
UH, THE LAW HAS BEEN CHANGED, SO IT DOES ALLOW, UM, SOME MEMBERS TO PARTICIPATE.
IT DOES DOESN'T, DAVE, THEY DIDN'T DO THAT.
THERE HAS BEEN NO ENACTMENT BY THE TOWN BOARD.
SO IT WILL BE, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE TOWN BOARD IS GOING TO, UH, IF AND WHEN THEY DO THAT, THEN THERE'LL, THERE'LL BE A POSSIBILITY FOR, UM, AS LONG AS WE HAVE A QUORUM IN TOWN HALL TO HAVE PEOPLE, UM, MEMBERS OUT OF TOWN HALL HAVE EXTRAORDINARY SERVICE.
I WILL, I WILL TALK, I WILL TALK TO FRANCIS AND, AND THE TOWN BOARD ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I HAVE SOME VERY SPECIFIC THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW THAT SHOULD GO AND, AND, UH, PEOPLE'S ATTENDANCE.
THEY NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF ATTENDANCE, PHYSICAL ATTENDANCE AS PART OF THAT, BUT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY AS WELL.
SO IF, IF YOU, IF YOU GO, JUST GIMME ONE MOMENT.
WE'LL, WE'LL BE ALL ON PREMISES.
HOWEVER, THERE MAY BE A HYBRID OPPORTUNITY FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AS OPPOSED TO MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
AND WE ARE, WE'LL, WE WILL TRY TO WORK THAT OUT.
UH, THERE'S ALSO, IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING WELL.
WELL, I KNOW GARRETT'S BEEN DOING THAT FOR A WHILE NOW WITH THE TOWN BOARD.
AND IT'S BEEN WORKING, I THOUGHT PRETTY WELL, PRETTY SMOOTHLY.
GARRETT, UNMUTE YOUR MIC, PLEASE.
I MUCH CREDIT TO THE, UH, AUDIO FOLKS AND VIDEO, AUDIO FOLKS FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, BUT YEAH, I THINK IT'S BEEN RUNNING VERY SMOOTHLY.
UH, MR. BRITTON, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLE FOR ME, PLEASE? SURE THING.
NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MICHAEL GOLDEN, SAI WALTER SIMON AND JOHAN SNAGS ARE ABSENT THIS MEETING, BUT WE STILL HAVE A QUORUM.
LESLIE DAVIS IS OUR ALTERNATE AND WILL BE A VOTING MEMBER OF THE BOARD THIS EVENING.
UM, LET'S GO INTO CORRESPONDENCE.
UH, MATT, I BELIEVE YOU'RE GONNA PRESENT AND LET'S DO THIS FIRST, UH, CASE PB UH, 2121.
UH, ABRAHAM, YOU WANNA TELL US ABOUT THAT? SURE.
SO THIS IS A SUPER MINOR, UH, WETLANDS, UH, CASE PB 21, 21 ABRAHAM AT 15 CORNELL DRIVE.
UH, WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY ARE REMOVING AND REPLACING A RETAINING WALL.
THEY'RE SHIFTING, RETAINING WALL, UM, ACTUALLY AWAY FROM THE WATERCOURSE BY ABOUT THREE OR FOUR FEET.
UM, THE WATERCOURSE, AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, IT'S ABOUT 75 FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE A, MOSTLY A RUNOFF, UH, WATERCOURSE.
IT GOES DOWN AND OUT TO, UH, WHAT'S IT CALLED? GO.
IT FLOWS UNDERNEATH, UH, JANE STREET TOWARDS, UM, CENTRAL AVENUE.
UM, THE APPLICANT MET WITH THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL AND WAS GIVEN A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
THEY HAVE, UH, ADDED SOME WETLAND MITIGATION, PLANTING THINGS IN THE FORM OF JOE PI WEEDED.
I RAN THAT BY, UM, AARON AND OUR TOWN FOREST OFFICER SPAN HOGAR.
AND THEY BOTH AGREED, UH, WITH ME THAT THAT IS ADEQUATE WETLAND MITIGATION FOR THE DISTANCE, UH, TO THE WATERCOURSE AND FOR WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
AND SO I AM REQUESTING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD TURN OVER JURISDICTION TO ME TO ISSUE THE
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SUPER MINOR WETLANDS PERMIT FOR THE APPLICANT.IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO MAKE THIS A MINOR WATER? A MINOR, MINOR WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT? RIGHT? HOW DO YOU SAY THAT? MINOR.
WE MINOR WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT.
DO I HAVE A MO DO I HAVE A MOTION? TOM, DO I HAVE A SECOND? DO I HAVE A SECOND MONA, SECONDS.
ALL OPPOSED? NO, THERE'S NOBODY ELSE LEFT, SO IT PASSES.
NOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, COURTESY OF, UH, LESLIE DAVIS, UM, WE STARTED TO WORK ON THE, UH, MARIJUANA ZONING LAW AT OUR LAST MEETING.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP BECAUSE FRANKLY, THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS.
UM, THERE WERE SPECIFIC ISSUES ABOUT A LOCATION, UM, WHERE THE TOWN BOARD HAS, UH, ISOLATED IT TO ONE PART OF TOWN AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GO.
AND THERE'S ALSO, UH, A LOT OF QUESTIONS AROUND, UH, WHERE YOU COULD PUT THINGS LIKE THE PROCESSING FACILITY, IF THERE'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT FOR THAT.
EVERYTHING OBVIOUSLY IS INDOORS AS, AS GARRETT TOLD US AT THE LAST MEETING.
UM, BUT WHAT WE DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT ARE THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, ISSUES WITH, UH, WHAT AM I THINKING? I'M LOSING MY, MY MIND TONIGHT WITH ODOR, EMISSIONS.
EMISSIONS, EXCUSE ME, EMISSIONS AND, AND WASTE.
WASTE AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT MAKE IT APPROPRIATE FOR CERTAIN AREAS OF OUR TOWN.
UM, GIVEN THAT, WHAT, WHAT, UH, WE HAVE TWO GENTLEMEN WITH US TONIGHT WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING IN THIS INDUSTRY FOR A WHILE, AND ONE OF THEM HAS NOW, UH, BEEN APPOINTED TO THE ADVISORY BOARD FOR THE STATE.
AND WHO'S PARTNER DWAYNE NORRIS FROM.
UH, SO, SO HOW DO, WHAT'S IT SOULFUL? SO, SO, SO FULL MATTER MATTER.
I THINK WE GOT DAVID, DAVID OVER THERE WITH HIS HAND UP.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE HIM.
SO, UM, THANK YOU MR. ALVAREZ FOR ACKNOWLEDGING ME.
UH, CHAIRMAN SCHWARTZ, AFTER, UH, THEIR PRESENTATION, UH, I JUST WANNA KNOW IF YOU WANNA DO THE MINUTES.
I SHOULD'VE DONE THE MINUTES BEFORE.
I'LL DO IT AFTER THE PRESENTATION.
UM, BUT LET'S, LET'S GET THROUGH THIS NOW THAT WE STARTED IT.
UH, IF MR. ALVARS, IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE US ABOUT A MINUTE ON YOU AND, AND, AND DWAYNE AND THEN, UH, AS WE DISCUSSED PRIOR TO THIS, IN ABOUT 15 MINUTES OF PRESENTATION, AND THEN A LITTLE TIME FOR QUESTIONS.
LESLIE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, FOR HAVING US.
UM, AGAIN, MY NAME IS ALEJANDRO ALVAREZ, CO-FOUNDER OF SO FULL SYNERGY.
I HAVE MY BUSINESS PARTNER HERE, DWAY NORRIS AS WELL, MY CO-FOUNDER, SOCIAL SYNERGY.
UM, AND MY BEST FRIEND, UH, I ALWAYS LIKE, WE ALWAYS LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT.
UM, UH, JUST A, A QUICK LITTLE BACKGROUND ON, ON OUR, UH, SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE IN THE SPACE.
UM, I COME FROM A BACKGROUND OF CARPENTRY, UM, IN ABOUT 2010.
IN 2013, I, UM, I LEFT TO CALIFORNIA.
I, UM, I ACTUALLY ACTUALLY LIVED IN ASHLAND, OREGON FROM ASHLAND, OREGON.
I MOVED DOWN TO LAKE COUNTY IN CALIFORNIA TO, UM, TO, UH, BETTER UNDERSTAND THE CANNABIS SPACE.
UM, WITH THAT SAID, WE, UM, WE, I CAME BACK TO, TO NEW YORK STATE.
WE CONTINUE TO BUILD OUT, UH, SOULFUL SYNERGY.
SO FOR SYNERGY IS A FOR-PROFIT SOCIAL ENTERPRISE FOCUSED AROUND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, WHERE WE UTILIZE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AS ONE OF OUR PILLARS TO UPLIFT OUR, OUR COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE FOCUSED IN, IN CONSTRUCTION, CLEAN ENERGY, UM, URBAN FARMING.
NOW WE'RE IN CANNABIS AND IN WEB THREE.
UM, AGAIN, UM, HOPEFULLY WITHIN THIS PRESENTATION, WE COULD, UH, PROVIDE SOME FURTHER INFORMATION AND JUST BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THIS CANNABIS INDUSTRY CAN MEAN FOR GREENBURG.
UM, WHAT EXACTLY THE IMPLICATIONS I WOULD USE, UM, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU, YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO, UM, UH, SET UP YOUR DISPENSARIES AND SET UP YOUR, UH, MANUFACTURING PLANTS.
AND AGAIN, TO, TO HIT ON THE, ON THE POINTS OF CONCERN OF WHAT THE, WHAT THE O ORDER IS GONNA BE.
LIKE, WHAT ELECTRICAL CONSUMPTION WILL BE LIKE, WHAT WATER CONSUMPTION
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WILL BE LIKE, AND ALSO WHAT WASTE MANAGEMENT WILL LOOK LIKE.UM, WITH THAT, WE, UM, WE HOPEFULLY WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE YOU A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THIS, WHAT THIS INDUSTRY CAN, CAN, UM, PROVIDE FOR GREENBERG AND HOW EXACTLY POTEN, YOU KNOW, HOW EXACTLY GREENBERG CAN POSITION THESE BUSINESSES AND, AND ALLOW AND ALLOW THEM TO THRIVE WITHOUT IT CREATING ANY OTHER, ANY FRUSTRATIONS FOR LOCAL, UH, GREENBERG RESIDENTS.
IS THAT CORRECT TO YOU? THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID, SO, YES.
DO YOU NEED TO SHARE YOUR SCREEN? YES, SIR.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF AARON'S CONTROLLING THAT OR WHO'S CONTROLLING THAT.
IT HASN'T, IT HASN'T STOPPED ME.
SO YOU'VE GOT ABOUT, YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 10, 10 TO 12 MINUTES TO GO THROUGH THIS.
SO I AM GONNA RUN THROUGH THIS, THIS PRESENTATION FAIRLY QUICK.
UM, I WILL, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT THIS PRESENTATION WOULD MAKE, WE WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A DEEPER DIVE.
UM, AGAIN, JUST QUICKLY, WE ALREADY PRE, UM, OH, UM, AGAIN, THIS MADE A QUICK INTRODUCTION ABOUT SOULFUL SYNERGY.
SOULFUL SYNERGY HAS PARTNERED UP WITH MATTER C B D TO CREATE MATTER SYNERGY ENTERPRISES.
SOULFUL SYNERGY PROVIDES ALL THE SOCIAL EQUITY COMPONENT MATTER.
C B D BRINGS TO THE TABLE ALL THE COMPLIANCE, UM, SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE PLUS THE CULTIVATION AND JUST THE CANNABIS INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE.
UM, OUR GOAL IS, AGAIN, TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A FULL SPECTRUM OF INFORMATION AND RESOURCES IN ORDER TO HELP NEW YORK STATE STRIVE AND THRIVE WITHIN THE, THE CANNABIS SPACE.
UM, AGAIN, CANNABIS SOCIAL EQUITY, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO, TO, TO THE POINT OF NEW YORK STATE.
THEY WILL BE HANDLING AND, AND MANAGING A LOT OF THESE, OF A LOT OF THE, THE, THE INITIATIVES.
SO AGAIN, WE DO NOT WANNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE SPENDING TOO MUCH TIME ON THIS.
'CAUSE AGAIN, WE, WE WILL BE WORKING TOGETHER WITH NEW YORK STATE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE BEST SOCIAL EQUITY, UH, OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UH, FOR GREENBERG.
ON, ON THE SIDE OF COMPLIANCE, AGAIN, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HIGHLIGHT THIS BECAUSE AGAIN, FOR ANY, FOR ANY, UM, BUSINESS TO THRIVE, THEY HAVE TO BE ALIGNED WITH COMPLIANCE.
OKAY? IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BEING ABLE TO, TO HAVE THEM BE IN ZONED IN THE RIGHT PLACE IS GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, AS, AS WE HAVE SPOKEN IN THE PAST IN OTHER WORKSHOPS AS WELL, IS NOT JUST ALLOWING FOR THIS, THIS INDUSTRY TO SET UP, BUT IS ALSO TO ALLOW THIS INDUSTRY TO THRIVE.
SO, HAVING AN UNDERSTANDING OF A COMPLIANCE AND WHAT EXACTLY IT TAKES FOR THESE BUSINESSES TO, TO BE SUCCESSFUL IS VERY IMPORTANT.
AGAIN, WE HAVE THIS SLIDE HERE, YOU KNOW, ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A DEEPER DIVE, PLEASE TAKE A LOOK.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING ON WHAT, UM, AGAIN, THESE BUSINESSES NEED IN ORDER FOR THEM, NOT JUST TO SET UP, BUT AGAIN, JUST TO BE SUCCESSFUL ONCE THEY SET SET UP OPERATIONS.
UM, WE, WE'VE CREATED THIS SLIDE JUST TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT TO YOU TEAM AS, AS JUST, AGAIN, THE, THE BIG OPPORTUNITY THAT'S, THAT'S COMING DOWN THE, THE, THE, THE PIPELINE.
IN NEW YORK STATE ALONE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $1.2 MILLION IN, IN REVENUE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 2020 $1,000.
AND BY, UH, 2027, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 70, $76,000, UH, 76,000 JOBS AND $2.7 BILLION WORTH OF REVENUE.
AGAIN, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT, AGAIN, IS, IS BIG, UM, ON GREENBERG.
AGAIN, GREENBERG DID OPT IN ON BOTH ON, I'M SORRY, OPTED IN ON, ON, UM, ON CULTIVATION AND, UM, PROCESSING, OPTED OUT ON ONSITE CONSUMPTION.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT JUST DOESN'T MEAN THAT BECAUSE THE, THE, THE TOWN HAS OPTED OUT THAT IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, DEFINE A FINAL FOR, FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY.
UM, AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, WE DID WANT HIGHLIGHT IS SUCCESS STORIES AROUND THIS.
THERE, THERE IS, THERE WAS A TOWN IN, UH, CALLED TRINIDAD.
AGAIN, IT WAS A RUN DOWNTOWN, UM, ABOUT IN, IN BRINK OF BEING INTO
AND DUE TO THE FACT OF THEM MANAGING THIS INDUSTRY, IT REALLY ALLOWED THEM, AGAIN, TO, TO BREAK OUT OF THAT POVERTY AND UTILIZE THE, THE TAX REVENUE THAT COMES FROM, FROM THE, THE CANNABIS INDUSTRY.
WHAT HAPPENED AT THE CRIME RATE IN THAT TOWN, UM, ACTUALLY GETS REDUCED.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS BECAUSE THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IS AS YOU INCREASE REGULATION, YOU DECREASE THE BLACK MARKET, RIGHT? SO AS YOU DECREASE THE BLACK MARKET, YOU IN, IN ESSENCE, DECREASE IT, DECREASE THE VIOLENCE THAT COMES AROUND THE, THE, THAT, THAT INDUSTRY.
SO IT, IT HAS A, A DIRECT IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY AS YOU ARE ABLE TO REGULATE THE INDUSTRY, CREATE, UH, YOU KNOW, CREATE THE, UH, BENEFIT FROM THE TAXATION.
AND ALSO WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS THAT YOU THEN GET TO UTILIZE THAT, THAT THE, THE TAX REVENUE TO REINVEST WITHIN THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH ARE MOSTLY, UM, BEEN IMPACTED BY THE WAR ON DRUGS.
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RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HAVING SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSES BENEFITING FROM THE TAX REVENUE, AND THEN REINVESTING INTO THOSE SAME COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN MOST IMPACTED.SO THAT, THAT, WITH THAT, THAT EQUATION, THAT'S HOW, AGAIN, YOU ARE ABLE TO LOWER CRIME RATE, BUT ALSO INCREASE, UM, UM, UM, THE, THE COMMERCIAL INCOME OF, OF THE, OF THE, OF THE VILLAGE IN TOWN.
ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE BIGGEST, GO AHEAD, HUGH.
SO ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS WAS TALKING ABOUT ORDER CONTROL.
UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, UM, BASED ON, ON, ON WHAT GREENBERG HAS, HAS ESTABLISHED THAT THEY'RE ONLY DOING INDOOR AND, UM, PROCESSING PLANTS, THAT ALONE IS GONNA CURB A LOT OF YOUR ORDER CONCERNS.
THOSE, THOSE, THOSE TWO, UM, I, I WOULD SAY PIPELINES OR VEINS OF THIS INDUSTRY PRODUCED THE LEAST AMOUNT OF ORDER, RIGHT? IF YOU WERE, WELL, WE HAVE A MATRIX THAT WILL SHOW YOU TOWARDS THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION THAT YOU'LL SEE THAT FROM, UM, THE, THE INDOOR GROWS, THE GREENHOUSES AND THE OUTDOOR, OBVIOUSLY THE GREEN GREENHOUSE'S.
OUTDOOR HAS THE MOST ORDER PRODUCTION, WHERE YOU HAVE A MINIMAL PRODUCTION FROM YOUR INDOOR GROWS AND YOUR, AND YOUR, UM, PROCESSING PROCESS.
UM, AND JUST REAL FAIRLY QUICK, UH, THE, THE, UM, THE BULLET POINTS THAT WE HAVE HERE ARE THE TECHNOLOGIES THAT, THAT CAN BE USED ONCE AGAIN TO ELIMINATE ORDER.
UM, WE DID WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT IT, UM, THESE TECHNOLOGIES EXIST AND MOST, FOR THE MOST PART, UM, IN ORDER FOR US TO ELIMINATE ORDER TO HUNDRED PERCENT IS USUALLY A COMBINATION OF TWO OR THREE OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES.
UM, AGAIN, IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE HIDDEN.
ELECTRICAL CONSUMPTION WILL RISE.
OKAY? AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE ON THE GRAPH, INDOOR, INDOOR, UM, CULTIVATION, PRODU, UH, ACCUMULATES THE MOST OF, OF ENERGY CONSUMPTION.
YOUR GREENHOUSES SITS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE AND THE OUTDOOR, THE LEASE.
'CAUSE AGAIN, IT'S UTILIZING A LOT OF THE, UM, NATURE'S, UM, UH, ENERGY SOURCE WHERE THEN ELIMINATES A LOT OF, UM, THE, THE ELECTRICAL CONSUMPTION THAT THAT CAN THEN, THAT IS NEEDED IN ORDER TO RUN AN INDOOR OR GREENHOUSE, UM, WATER CONSUMPTION ACROSS THE BOARD TEAM, SORRY, IS IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.
UM, AGAIN, UH, IT, IT, THERE IS, THERE IS A, A DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN, UH, OUTDOOR AND THEN YOUR INDOOR AND GREENHOUSES.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART, UM, THE WAY THAT CANNABIS NEEDS TO BE GROWN, IT HAS TO BE SET IN PLACES.
IF IT'S GONNA BE DONE OUTDOOR OR INDOOR HAS TO BE SET IN PLACES, WELL, I'M SORRY, HAS TO BE, IF IT'S OUTDOOR, IT HAS TO BE SET IN PLACES THAT IT'S FAIRLY DRY BECAUSE, UM, UH, UH, CANNABIS IS VERY PRONE TO, UM, TO MOLDING.
SO THE, THE DIFFERENTIATION THERE IS REALLY NOT THAT, THAT BIG OF A DIFFERENCE.
WASTE REGULATION NOW IS VERY IMPORTANT, DEPENDING ON, IF WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT JUST ON THE SIDE OF, UM, ON, UM, ON INDOOR GROW, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF, OF WASTE THAT'S GONNA BE ACCUMULATED.
THAT WASTE CAN BECOME BIOPRODUCTS THAT CAN THEN BE PROCESSED WITHIN THE PROCESSING PLANTS.
BUT WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS THAT THE PROCESSING PLANTS, ONCE IT EXTRACTS ALL THE NECESSARY T H C AND C B D FROM THE PLANT, THOUGH, THEY'RE LEFT WITH A LOT OF STOCK, UM, THAT CAN EITHER, CAN BE USED FOR, UM, COMPOSTING, UM, FOR THE MOST PART, OR IT COULD BE USED, AND THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO, TO SPEAK TO A VARIETY OF OTHER, UM, CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL COMPANIES THAT THEY'RE, UH, INTEGRATING THIS STOCK INTO THEIR BUILDING MATERIAL LIKE HEMPCRETE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
HOW MUCH OF THIS IS ANY OF THIS HAZARDOUS WASTE? NO, NO, NO, NO.
BECAUSE AT THAT POINT WHEN, WHEN YOU EXTRACT EVERYTHING, YOU'RE LITERALLY JUST LEAVING THE PLANT WITH CARBON AND NITROGEN.
YOU'RE TAKING EVERY, YOU'RE TAKING ALL THE T H C AND THE MOLECULES OUT FROM IT THAT HAS THE CYCLIC A ADDITIVES OR THE, THE C B D COMPONENT.
UM, YOUR PREVIOUS SLIDE DID SAY THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT SOLVENT SOMETHING, UH, YES.
SO, SO SENSE SOLVENTS, MERCURY CONTAINING LIGHT, NOT A PROBLEM.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT'S, THAT'S AS I MENTIONED, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST USING THE WASTE FROM THE, FROM THE, THE INDOOR GROW OR THE GROW SPACES, AGAIN, WE'RE USING, WE'RE GONNA BE USING, WELL, DEPENDING ON HOW, UH, THE SPACE WILL BE REGULATED, SOMETHING I WILL BE VOTING ON IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO USE AS PESTICIDE AND NUTRIENTS WILL DICTATE THE SOLVENTS THAT WOULD BE IN THE, IN, IN THE AFTERMATH, RIGHT? SO AGAIN, ONCE, ONCE YOU PROCESS THAT AND YOU PUT IT INTO, INTO THE EXTRACTION COMPONENT, YOU DO ELIMINATE A LOT OF THE, A LOT OF THE TOXINS.
BUT WHAT MY, THE POINT THERE IS THAT IF WE'RE USING BEST GROWING PRACTICES, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE INCORP, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT ON THE BACK END.
SO AGAIN, BEING THAT WE'RE STILL IN THE EARLY STAGES OF REGULATION ON CULTIVATION HERE IN NEW YORK STATE, IS TO WHY THAT WE WEREN'T, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T GET SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN UNTIL THAT, THAT, UM, THAT AJ SO WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS, BEFORE THEY START, WHAT
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I THOUGHT, THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED LICENSING SOME OF THIS STUFF.SO WHAT HAS HAPPENED SO FAR IS THIS, SO WHAT WHAT THEY HAVE MADE AVAILABLE IS THERE'S, IF YOU DON'T MIND, THEN I COULD JUST JUMP INTO THIS COMPONENT.
YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THESE LICENSES.
YOU HAVE YOUR NURSERY LICENSE, YOU HAVE YOUR, UM, CULTIVATION LICENSE.
YOUR CULTIVATION LICENSE ALLOWS YOU TO GROW YOUR OWN, YOUR OWN MARIJUANA PROCESS, YOUR OWN MARIJUANA, AND THEN DISTRIBUTE YOUR OWN MARIJUANA TO DISPENSARIES.
YOU ALSO HAVE A PROCESSING LICENSE, WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO PROCESS MARIJUANA FROM ANY, ANY CULTIVATOR, BUT ONLY ALLOWS YOU TO DISTRIBUTE THE, THE, THE MARIJUANA THAT YOU PROCESS TO DISPENSARY.
YOU ALSO HAVE A LICENSE THAT HAS TO DO WITH DISTRIBUTION.
DISTRIBUTION ALLOWS YOU THEN TO ONLY, UH, ALLOWS YOU TO DISTRIBUTE, UM, PRO EITHER FLOUR OR PROCESSED MARIJUANA FROM ANY CANNABIS FARM OR ANY PROCESSING PLANT, UH, TO DIFFERENT DISPENSARIES.
FROM THERE, YOU ALSO HAVE COOPERATIVES AND YOU HAVE MICRO BUSINESSES.
THAT'S ON THE BACK END OF CULTIVATION ON THE FRONT END.
WELL, MY QUESTION IS, MY, MY QUESTION IS THIS.
MY QUESTION, IS IT THIS THOUGH, UM, IS THE STATE STILL CONTEMPLATING, UM, MORE REGULATORY, UH, CO LAW REGARDING THINGS LIKE HAZARDOUS, UH, WASTE AND, AND EMISSIONS? IS THAT STILL CO IS THAT COMING FROM THE STATE? YES.
DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA BY WHEN THAT'S COMING FROM THE STATE? NO.
SO, SO FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, I HAVE, I AM, I AM PERSONALLY WAITING ON A CALL FROM THE, UM, OFFICE OF CANNABIS MANAGEMENT, UM, THIS MONTH WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE STARTING THIS CONVERSATION IN THE NEXT, IT HAS TO HAPPEN FROM HERE AT LEAST UNTIL SEPTEMBER, BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING TO START DROPPING THE FIRST LICENSES COME JANUARY 1ST, OR THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2023.
OKAY? SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY LICENSES THAT HAVE THEY HAVE RELEASED HAS BEEN 50 PLUS LICENSES THAT ONLY EXIST FOR, UH, EXISTING HEMP GROWERS THAT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TRANSITION FROM GROWING HEMP TO GROWING RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA, WHICH IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN YOUR ME, UH, MEDICAL MARIJUANA.
AND THEIR EXPECTATION IS TO RELEASE A FIRST ROUND OF REGULATIONS, IDEALLY BY THE END OF THE SUMMER, UH, WITH A COMMENT PERIOD AND A FEEDBACK PERIOD THAT SHOULD LAST ABOUT 120 DAYS.
AND SO, IDEALLY THEY'RE DROPPING THE FIRST SET OF REGULATIONS, THEY'LL BE A FEEDBACK PERIOD.
UH, THEY'LL USE THAT FEEDBACK, DO ONE MORE RELEASE, UH, WHICH THEY EXPECT TO NOT HAVE TOO MANY MORE, UH, CHANGES THAT HAVE TO BE MADE.
AND THEN, AS ALEX SAID, UH, THE END OF THIS YEAR, UH, REGULATIONS WILL BECOME PERMANENT, UH, WITH THE FIRST SET OF LICENSES EXPECTED TO BE, UH, ELIGIBLE FOR APPLICATION.
THAT PART OF THE PROBLEM WE HAVE, DWAYNE, IS HERE WE ARE DRAFTING A LAW, OKAY? AND TYPICALLY, IF THERE IS A STATE LAW, WE REFER TO THAT STATE LAW IN OUR LAW, OKAY? WITHOUT THAT LAW PASSING A LAW HERE, NOW WE'RE KIND OF IN THE BLIND 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO FROM A RE, YOU KNOW, FROM A REGULATORY POINT OF VIEW.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM.
IT'S A SHARED, IT'S A SHARED CONCERN, MY FRIEND.
AND IT'S, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED, IT, IT'S AS, AS, UM, AS A GOVERNMENT, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'SS A PAIN POINT.
AND ALSO AS ENTREPRENEURS, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE CULTIVATORS AND INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE BUILDING OUT BUSINESSES RIGHT NOW THAT ARE ASSUMING WHAT THE CANOPY SIZE WILL BE, WHAT THE LIMITATIONS WILL BE BASED ON OTHER STATES.
BUT THE SAME PAIN POINT THAT YOU'RE FEELING IS, IS THE PAIN POINT THAT'S, IS BEING FELT BOTH BY, BY THE GOVERNMENT AND, AND THE BUSINESS.
UH, SIDE OF THE, I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T REFER TO THE DISPENSARIES, IT ARE DISTRIBUTORS.
THEY'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE CULT CULT, UH, CULTIVATION AND THE, UH, AND THE PROCESSING WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE THINGS, I THINK.
BUT, BUT ALSO ON THE DISPENSARY SIDE, THEY HAVEN'T DROPPED ALL THE, THE REGULATION OF, SO TO, TO MY EXAMPLE OF THAT IS, IS THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT UP COMPLIANCE, RIGHT? SO ON THE SIDE OF, OF, OF HAVING A, A DISPENSARY, THERE'S, THERE'S STILL LIMITED KNOWLEDGE KNOWING HOW TO BE COMPLIANT IN BEING ABLE TO RUN A DISPENSARY.
SO THE SAME, THE SAME, UM, UH, BOTTLENECKS THAT YOU'RE FINDING ON THE CULTIVATION SIDE, THE BUSINESS OWNERS ARE ALSO FINDING ON THE, ON THE DISPENSARY SIDE.
AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT HERE ON, EVEN ON THE TABLE, AGAIN, JUST TO TRY TO OVERSIMPLIFY A LITTLE BIT OF THE CONCERNS AND THE POINTS THAT WE WERE BROUGHT, WERE BROUGHT UP EARLIER WAS, AGAIN, OUR INDOOR, YOUR INDOOR CULTIVATION IS GONNA BE, GONNA HAVE A LOT OF LOW PRODUCE, LOW LOW ORDER ORDER PRODUCTION IS GONNA BE HIGH ENERGY CONSUMPTION, ELECTRICAL CONSUMPTION, HIGH WATER CONSUMPTION, MEDIUM WASTE PRODUCTION, AND THE TAX REVENUE IS GONNA BE SITTING AROUND 120,000, $120,000 PER YEAR.
THIS IS, THIS IS ASSUMING THAT WE'RE GONNA STILL WORK WITH THE 40 THOU, UH, 40% TAX, UH, IMPLICATION THAT THESE BUSINESSES ARE GONNA HAVE TO UP, UM, BEING AGAIN, THAT, UM, GREENBERG IS WERE TAX REVENUE.
YOU HAVE A PROPERTY TAX REVENUE? NO, JUST TAX REVENUE ON 40% ON
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SALES, TAX SALES, TAX REVENUE.SO, SO THE, UM, ON MANUFACTURING, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, ABOUT SIX POINT, UH, 0.6 MILLION, 7.6 MILLION.
THE REASON WHY IT'S SO MUCH HIGHER IS THAT MANUFACTURING IS, IS ALL DEPENDENT ON TECHNOLOGY CAPACITY.
SO THEY, THEY'RE ABLE TO PROCESS A LOT MORE PRODUCT THAN A, A POTENTIAL, AGAIN, INDOOR GROWERS BA IS, IS LIMITED BY, BY ITS CANOPY.
SO YOU ARE ONLY GONNA MAXIMIZE NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, GROW WITHIN THAT SPACE, YOU'RE PROBABLY TAKING OUT ONE POUND PER SQUARE FOOT, RIGHT? SO YOU, YOU'RE THAT THAT CANOPY'S GONNA MAXIMIZE NO MATTER HOW WELL YOU GROW.
UM, AND THEN ON, WHAT ARE THESE NUMBERS ON? IS THIS THIS ACROSS? IT'S AWFULLY LOW IF IT'S THESE, THESE ARE, THESE ARE AVERAGES, THESE ARE AVERAGES FROM AVERAGES PER, PER PER FACILITY, COLORADO AND NEVADA.
AND JUST, AND AGAIN, TO, TO THIS INTO CONTEXT, TO PUT THIS INTO CONTEXT, CALIFORNIA IS THE HIGHEST PRODUCING CANNABIS STATE.
NEW YORK STATE IS THE HIGHEST CONSUMPTION, CONSUMPTION CONSUMPTION STATE IN THE WORLD, NOT JUST IN NEW YORK, IN IN THE UNITED STATES, IN THE WORLD.
SO WE, WITH THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE, ARE FAIRLY CON UH, CONSERVATIVE.
BUT WHEN, IF WE'RE, AGAIN, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT $7.6 MILLION IN, IN TAX REVENUE FROM YOUR MANUFACTURING PLANT PER PER MANUFACTURING PLANT, AND 2.8.
UM, SO WHAT, WHAT I'M HEARING, EVEN IF, EVEN IF A DIS ONE DISPENSARY PLACED IN THE RIGHT PLACE, COULD JUST ONE DISPENSARY COULD, COULD JUST GENERATE $2 MILLION JUST IN, IN TAX, IN IN SALES TAX REVENUE.
IS, IS THERE A SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, ON THAT? NO, NO.
AND THAT'S AGAIN, THAT, OOPS, SORRY.
UM, THAT'S, AND THAT'S AN ISSUE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE COMPONENTS THAT WE WERE, AGAIN, I WAS, WE WERE SPEAKING OF THAT, WE, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS JUST YET, BUT IF WE, IF WE USE CALIFORNIA, COLORADO, NEVADA, AS, AS, AS GUIDING POSTS, WE, WE, WE, WE, WE CREATED THESE NUMBERS TO FALL RIGHT IN BETWEEN THAT STANDARD DEVIATION.
ONE OTHER QUESTION, ALEJANDRO, THEN I WANNA SEE IT, AND I SEE MONA AND LESLIE BOTH HAVE THEIR HANDS UP.
UM, HAVE YOU, WHEN YOU'VE LOOKED AT COLORADO AND YOU'VE LOOKED AT CALIFORNIA, WHICH YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS THE LONGEST, UM, WHERE DO YOU SEE THE DISPENSARIES BEING PLACED? ARE THEY JUST PLACED ALONG HIGHWAYS OR ARE THEY BEGINNING TO GO INTO RETAIL? SO, AND WHY WOULD THAT BE? SO AGAIN, YOU WANNA LOOK AT AS, AS YOUR TOWN, AS AN ORGANISM, RIGHT? AND IN THE, THE, YOUR HIGHWAYS AND, AND, AND TRAINS ARE YOUR ARTERIES, UM, ANYTHING THAT SITS AROUND THOSE ARTERIES ARE PROBABLY GONNA BE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA BE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, AGAIN, THAT WE DID HIGHLIGHT THOUGH, WAS THAT YOU WANNA BE CLOSE TO THE HIGHWAYS, BUT NOT CLOSE ENOUGH IN WHICH YOU'RE GONNA CREATE TRAFFIC WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA PARK ON THE HIGHWAY TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE DISPENSARY, RIGHT? SO THERE IS, THERE IS A SWEET SPOT IN BETWEEN IN WHICH YOU CREATE YOU TO, TO ALLOW TO SET UP THE DISPENSARIES FAR ENOUGH FROM THE CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE HIGHWAYS FOR PEOPLE TO EASILY GET THERE, BUT FAR ENOUGH FOR THEM NOT TO HAVE TO PARK EVEN ON THE HIGHWAYS WHEN THESE, WHEN THESE DISPENSARIES FIRST OPEN, AND CREATE THAT AND CREATE THOSE, CREATE THAT TRAFFIC.
UM, SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, OUR, FROM OUR, OUR EXPERIENCE AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN COLORADO, CALIFORNIA, AND MATTER OF FACT, WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN JERSEY, RIGHT? NEW JERSEY, UM, IF YOU, IF THE, THE, THE, THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU SAW THERE LITERALLY WAS THE SAME SCENARIO.
YOU HAD PEOPLE PARKING ON THE HIGHWAYS, YOU HAD TO HAVE POLICE OFFICERS, UM, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, MANAGING THE LINE SO THEY WEREN'T BLOCKING THE CROSSWALK.
AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT, AGAIN, THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN THIS, THIS SPACE OPENS UP INTEREST, AND I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH THIS LAST CAVEAT, IS THE FACT THAT THE FACT THAT GREENBURG OPTED IN, AND YOU HAVE SO MANY OTHER TOWNS AROUND, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, SO MANY OTHER VILLAGES AROUND THE TOWN OF GREENBURG THAT OPTED OUT, YOU'RE GONNA BE BRINGING IN ALL THAT, ALL THAT POPULATION INTO YEAH, WHITE, BUT WHITE PLAINS AND NEW YORKERS BOTH OPTED IN.
SO, YEAH, NO, WE, WE AGREE, WE AGREE.
BUT I THINK ONCE AGAIN, I WOULD SAY, THEN I'LL JUST LEAVE YOU WITH THIS ALSO CAVEAT HERE, THAT WE, WE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS IN THIS SPACE IN NEW YORK STATE, UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT'S GONNA MAKE THE, THE, IN THE CANNABIS INDUSTRY SUCCESSFUL, IS GONNA BE THE CRAFT SPACE.
THE SAME WAY YOU HAVE CRAFT PIER LIKE, UH, UH, CAPTAIN LAWRENCE HERE IN NEW YORK STATE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT, THAT SCENARIO HAPPENING HERE AS WELL.
SO EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE WHITE PLAINS AND YONKERS THAT CAN BE FLOODED WITH CURLE AND THESE DIFFERENT OTHER TYPE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, INTER, UM, STATE, UM, COMPANIES, WHAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE LOOKING FOR IN NEW YORK STATE IS GOING TO BE THAT CRAFT, THAT CRAFT OF THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
SO IS, IT IS IMPORTANT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND BECAUSE GREENBERG, IN ESSENCE COULD POTENTIALLY ALLOW TO HAVE THAT INFLUX, BUT IT WOULDN'T THEN PUT IT AT A, A COMPETITIVE EDGE AND
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COMPETITIVE EDGE AND ALLOW CRAFT TO COME IN.THEN THAT'S GONNA SET ITSELF APART FROM WHITE PLAINS AND YONKERS AND THESE OTHER ALEJANDRO, I WANT, I WANT TO GET TO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
I DON'T KNOW WHO IS YES, GO AHEAD.
MONA, LESLIE, MONA, WHY DON'T YOU GO FIRST IS YOU'RE CLOSEST, SOME DOESN'T, DOESN'T MATTER.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION THAT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OFF BASE, BUT I'M NOT SURE, UM, ARE THESE, UM, UH, BUSINESSES STILL ONLY DEALING IN CASH? SO THAT'S A VERY GREAT QUESTION, MONA.
SO THIS IS THEN COMES INTO PLAY SECURITY, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO ONE OF THE POINTS, AND THIS IS WHY I HAVE THE COMPLIANCE SLIDE IN, IN THERE, BECAUSE IN ORDER FOR I WENT SO QUICKLY, IT WAS A LITTLE DIFFICULT.
YEAH, NO, NO, I UNDERSTOOD YOU.
NO, NO, I WAS ON A TIME LIMIT, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL SHARE THE, THE PITCH DECK WITH YOU.
AND, BUT TO YOUR POINT, YES, THIS IS, IT'S A VERY BIG CONCERN.
WE ARE DEALING WITH CASH, ESPECIALLY THE FIRST INITIAL YEARS, UM, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE TRACKING SYSTEM IN PLACE, RIGHT? THE TRACKING SYSTEM IN PLACE, THE TRACKING SYSTEM USUALLY DOESN'T COME IN PLACE UNTIL THE SECOND OR THIRD YEAR, RIGHT? AND, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF CASH.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE RECOGNIZED, THE MILLION'S, A LOT OF CASH, OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT.
AND I MEAN, WE, WE, WE'VE TALKED WITH THE ORGANIZATIONS WHERE THEY, YOU HAVE MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARIES RIGHT NOW THAT OP ONLY OPEN UP ONCE A WEEK RANDOMLY.
SO THAT WAY THAT THEY CAN'T BE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T PINPOINT WHEN THEY'RE MOVING THEIR MONEY.
WITH THAT SAID, THOUGH, THAT ALSO COMES BACK DOWN ON THE SOCIAL EQUITY SIDE, ON CREATING THE JOBS AND THE, AND, AND THE TRAININGS WHERE YOU HAVE PARTICIPANTS AND INDIVIDUALS GETTING TRAINED NOT ONLY TO BE SECURITY GUARDS, BUT ARMED SECURITY GUARDS, RIGHT? AND THEN YOU HAVE ALSO THESE OTHER THINGS THAT COME INTO PLACE OF THE ECOSYSTEM OF A CAN OF THE CANNABIS INDUSTRY.
BUT THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION, AND THAT'S A VERY, A VERY GOOD CONCERN.
I WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT CLEAR.
GOOD POINT, LESLIE, I JUST, I WANNA JUST GO BACK TO THE PROCESSING.
MAYBE EVERYONE IS CLEAR ON IT, BUT IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY, OVER THE NEXT, WHATEVER, SIX MONTHS, THEY'RE DECIDING IN TERMS OF REGULATION, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GOING TO ENFORCE PEOPLE NOT USING TOXIC CHEMICALS, OR WHAT ARE THEY DECIDING, OR IS THAT THEY'RE THE INDIVIDUAL TOWN'S DECISION TO MAKE? THANK YOU, LESLIE.
NO, SO THEY'RE GONNA BE SETTING THE STANDARD.
UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, I, I, I, I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT ANSWER FOR YOU OF WHAT EXACTLY I'M GONNA BE, BE, UM, UH, HAVING A VOICE ON THE, THE GOAL OF, OF ME SITTING ON THE ADVISORY BOARD IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SOCIAL EQUITY COMPONENT IS IMPLEMENTED WITHIN THE, THE REGULATION AND THE ROLLOUT OF WHAT, OF WHAT THE INDUSTRY, OF WHAT THE INDUSTRY IS GONNA BE.
UM, FROM THE CONVERSATIONS AND THE PRESENTATIONS THAT THE O C M HAS PROVIDED AT THE MOMENT, THEY, THEY, THEY HAVE THAT, THE, THE BLUEPRINT, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS JUST THE MEAT THAT THEY HAVEN'T ADDED ON.
AND THAT'S THE STUFF THAT WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING INTO PLAY IN THE NEXT, IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, WHICH IS, AGAIN, YOU ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO CULTIVATE.
BUT WE DON'T KNOW THE CULTIVATION CANOPY SIZE, RIGHT? WE KNOW THAT WE CAN GROW OUTDOOR, BUT WHAT'S GONNA BE THE INDOOR GROW SIZE, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE KNOW ALREADY FOR THE HEMP, THE HEMP BUSINESS, WE KNOW IT'S AN ACRE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE INDOOR, SO TO YOUR QUESTION, WE, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WILL BE IMPLEMENTING.
AND WHATEVER'S LEFT OUT FROM THAT REGULATION, I WOULD ASSUME THAT IT WOULD THEN BE ONTO THE, INTO THE MUNICIPALITY TO ADD WITH WHAT, WHATEVER OTHER LAYERS THEY, THEY NEED TO DO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I WANNA THANK YOU GUYS FOR SHOWING UP TONIGHT.
I'M SORRY IT'S SHORT, BUT WE DO HAVE A, A FULL SCHEDULE THIS EVENING.
UM, REALLY WOULD APPRECIATE, UH, SENDING US, UH, THE PRESENTATION, WHICH WE'LL ALSO SHARE WITH THE, THE TOWN BOARD.
IT ACTUALLY GIVES US, I EVEN THE SHORT PRESENTATION, I THINK GAVE US A LOT TO THINK ABOUT, PARTICULARLY IN THE AREA MANUFACTURING
SO AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND, UH, HAVE A GOOD EVENING, GUYS, DWAYNE, AND, AND, AND ALEJANDRO.
THANK YOU, LESLIE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, FOR FINDING THESE FOLKS.
OKAY, NOW, DAVE, MISSED THE FACT THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO APPROVE THE MI GO THROUGH THE MINUTES.
THAT WAS DAVE'S FAULT, OF COURSE.
UM, EVERYTHING BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER IS DAVE'S FAULT, BY THE WAY.
UM, DO ANYBODY HAVE A, ANY CHANGES TO, UH, THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING? MR. HEDOS, PLEASE, TOM? YEAH, I JUST SAID A SLIGHT, UH, REVISION TO THE WAY MY COMMENTS WERE REPORTED ON PAGE THREE.
THE SECOND PARAGRAPH, OR THE FIRST FULL PARAGRAPH, UH, THIS WAS REGARDING THE CHICK-FIL-A, UM, PRE-SUBMISSION.
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COMMENTED THAT THE OUTDOOR PATIO SEATING AREA LOCATION IS SHOWN RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE PEOPLE WOULD BE IDLING TO PLACE THEIR ORDERS AT THE DRIVE-THROUGH.NO, UM, I WOULD CONTINUE THAT SAYING, NOTING THAT EXHAUST MAY BE A HEALTH ISSUE, PERIOD.
AND THEN IN ADDITION, HE QUESTIONED IF THERE WAS SOME KIND OF BARRIER BETWEEN THE SEATING AND THE DRIVE-THROUGH FOR SAFETY REASONS.
IT WAS KIND OF OKAY, THERE WERE KIND OF COMBINED, BUT IT WAS TWO SEPARATE THOUGHTS.
MATT, DID YOU GET ALL THAT? YEAH, YEAH.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? ANOTHER GREAT JOB, AS USUAL.
THESE WERE LONG MINUTES 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING.
GIVEN THAT I WILL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS AMENDED.
DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND WAS MR. HAY ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
NOBODY OPPOSED? OKAY, CARRIES.
UH, DAVE, DON'T DO THAT AGAIN.
I WANT IN, IN ORDER THE NEXT TIME.
UM, NOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS GO INTO PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, BARBARA, TELL US WHEN YOUR, UH, YOUR FINGERS ARE READY.
HOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOUR HANDS? THOSE READY TOO GOOD.
WE'RE GOING TO, WE'RE GOING INTO PUBLIC HEARING, UM, NOW, AND, UH, I'LL START BY WELCOMING EVERYBODY TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF TONIGHT'S PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
WE HAVE ONE CASE ON FOR TONIGHT.
IT'S A CONTINUATION OF PB 17 DASH 36, WHICH IS A ZCO OLD COLONY ROAD SUBDIVISION.
IT'S A FOR PRELIMINARY, UH, SUBDIVISION PLANNING, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, WETLAND, WATERCOURSE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
WE'VE HEARD THIS SEVERAL TIMES.
IT, IT IS FOUR HOUSES ON OLD COLONY ROAD.
UM, UH, SUBDIVISION OF, UH, FOUR HOUSES ON, UH, FOUR LOTS ON, ON OLD COLONY ROAD.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO THROUGH A DESCRIPTION AGAIN.
WHEN WE LAST LEFT, THERE, WERE, DR.
YOU DO WE NEED TO TAKE ROLL FOR THIS? UH, WE SHOULD, YES.
COULD I HAVE, UH, COULD, UH, YOU CALL THE ROLL MAP? THANK YOU, TOM.
AND YOU JUST WANNA KNOW AGAIN ABOUT LESLIE, THAT SHE'S A VOTING MEMBER.
WELL, FOR THE RECORD, FIRST OF ALL, COR DESAI IS NOT HERE.
JOHAN SCHS IS NOT, NOT PRESENT.
MR. WALTER SIMON IS NOT PRESENT.
AND MR. MICHAEL GOLDEN, NOT PRESENT.
AND LESLIE, OUR ALTERNATE WILL BE A VOTING MEMBER OF, UH, THE BOARD THIS EVENING.
WE DO HAVE A QUORUM FOR THE QUORUM ON THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, WHEN WE LAST LEFT IT, THERE ARE REALLY A COUPLE OF OUTSTANDING ISSUES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT TRAFFIC, AND WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS THOSE, THAT, THOSE ISSUES TONIGHT.
THERE WAS A, SOME ISSUES ABOUT, UH, WHAT HAPPENS ABOUT EROSION, PARTICULARLY DURING CONSTRUCTION AND HOW, UM, EVERY, EVERYBODY'S PROTECTED FROM THAT.
AND WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES TONIGHT AS WELL.
UM, PARKING WAS ALSO PART OF THE ISSUE, UH, ON THE, ON THE TRAFFIC, AND WE'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THOSE TONIGHT.
UM, SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS START, UM, DISCUSSING, DAVE, DO YOU WANNA GO THROUGH, THROUGH WHERE WE ARE ON THE, UH, WHAT THE PROCESS IS FOR BONDING AND OR INSURANCE OF HOW THAT GOES? GOOD EVENING, MR. ZAPPY.
I, I'VE BEEN HERE THE WHOLE TIME JUST, UH, LISTENING TO THE WHOLE FILL IN, WHICH IS GREAT.
SO, UH, TYPICALLY WHAT WE DO IS, UM, WITH RESPECT TO, UH, UH, BONDING IS THERE ARE CONDITIONS, UH, THAT WILL ADDRESS, UH, THE VARIOUS REQUESTS.
WE WILL, UH, WAIT TILL THE END OF THE PUBLIC, UH, HEARING IN THE PUBLIC CON AND PERIOD.
AND WE TRADITIONALLY PUT THAT IN THERE.
BUT AS A SECOND STEP, UH, AND MR. ZAPPY KNOWS THIS BECAUSE THEY'VE, THEY'VE HAD A PROJECT BEFORE IN TOWN.
THERE'S ALWAYS A, UH, PRE-MEETING BEFORE WE BREAK GROUND.
WE MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL OUR I'S DOTTED, UH, T'S CROSSED SO THAT, UH, WE, UM, SO THAT ANY BONDS REFLECT THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED BY THE, UH, PLANNING BOARD IN CONDITIONING THE, THE MATTER.
SO, PARTICULARLY ON THIS, I KNOW THERE
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ARE, UH, ISSUES ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THERE WAS, UM, A BANKRUPTCY.UH, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF, UH, THERE WAS FAILURE? AND THOSE ALL GET CONDITIONED.
UM, THOSE GET CONDITIONED AND THE, AND ARE REFLECTED IN THE BONDS AND THAT
AND THAT'S ALSO TRUE BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT? I I BELIEVE THEY GET INVOLVED IN THAT.
THE ME YES, THEY'RE, EVERYTHING IS DONE NOT JUST WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, UH, PLANNING AS WELL.
AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UM, UH, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO HELP HERE GARRETT ON THIS, THAT, UM, THERE'S AN EROSION CONTROL PLAN THAT'S FILED WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT PRE-CONSTRUCTION TOO.
IS THAT CORRECT, GARRETT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
AND IT'S, UH, THAT'S PART OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR A STORMWATER PERMIT THROUGH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
AND I CAN JUST ADD ONTO THAT, WE'RE, THE TOWN IS VERY, UH, YOU KNOW, VERY CAREFUL WITH THAT BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, UH, IF, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A FAILURE, THE TOWN WOULD GET FINED, UH, FOR THIS.
SO, UH, WE'RE NOT LETTING, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT LETTING THIS GO BY, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, BLINDLY, UH, OKAY.
IT'S VERY, UH, WE, WE WE'RE VERY CAREFUL WITH, UH, STATE AGENCIES ON THIS.
UM, THIS, THE OTHER ISSUE, BIG ISSUE HAS BEEN TRAFFIC.
WE'VE HEARD A LOT FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT TRAFFIC.
A FEW OF US HAVE ACTUALLY TAKEN ANOTHER RIDE UP OLD COLONY ROAD OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, MAYBE MORE THAN A FEW OF US HAVE DONE THAT.
A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS THAT, UH, THAT I HAVE, AND TOM, IF YOU HAVE SOME, I'D BE HAPPY TO, TO HEAR FROM YOU AS WELL ON THIS.
UH, ONE, UH, I WENT TO THE END OF OLD COLONY ROAD.
THE PARKING IS FOR FACULTY AND STAFF ONLY.
IT'S NOT STUDENT PARKING, THE OTHER PARKING, THE THREE HOUR PARKING.
I, I SUPPOSE A STUDENT COULD PARK THERE AND RUN OUT AND MOVE THEIR CAR.
UH, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT CONDUCIVE TO THAT, GIVEN THAT THE, THAT ISSUE AND THE ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GONNA CONNECT THAT TO ARTILLERY LANE IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR THIS, FOR THIS, UH, APPLICATION.
IT'S AN ISSUE THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN UP WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
AND IF THEIR STAFF AND, UM, AND FACULTY ARE DRIVING DOWN OLD COLONY AT 40 MILES AN HOUR, I SUGGEST YOU GET THEIR LICENSE PLATE AND REPORT IT INTO THE, UH, SCHOOL OFFICE.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK YOU SHOULD DO THERE.
BUT TOM, DID YOU HAVE ANY, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO SAY ON, ON, UH, WHAT YOU SAW BEFORE WE GO ON? WELL, WHEN I WENT BACK UP THERE, UM, IT'S DEFINITELY A NARROW ROAD.
THERE'S DEFINITELY A SLOPE, NOT UNLIKE MANY ROADS IN THE TOWN.
AND THERE WAS A TOWN GARBAGE TRUCK ON ONE SIDE THAT I HAD TO WAIT, YOU KNOW, TO GET AROUND.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S AN EXISTING CONDITION.
AND MY QUESTION, THE QUESTION I HAD WHEN I WENT THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO FIX THE WHOLE ROAD.
WILL THIS APPLICATION, THESE FOUR HOUSES, THESE FOUR DRIVEWAYS CREATE, UM, AN EXCESSIVELY HAZARDOUS CONDITION, WILL THEY MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, UNWORKABLE? AND WHAT I FELT WAS THE LOCATION OF THEM ON THAT ROAD IS NOT ON A CURVE, NOT ON THE STEEPEST PART OF IT.
IT'S ACTUALLY IN A BIT OF A DIP WITH WHAT SEEMED TO ME TO BE GOOD SIDELINES.
AND I HAD ASKED AARON TO, UM, DIRECT MR. CANNING TO SPECIFICALLY FOCUS ON THAT.
WILL FOUR DRIVEWAYS IN THAT LOCATION CONTRIBUTE SIGNIFICANTLY TO, UM, ISSUES? OBVIOUSLY THERE'LL BE SOME IMPACT, BUT I DON'T FEEL, UH, IT WOULD BE SO EXCESSIVE BASED ON THE ACTUAL LOCATION.
IN ADDITION, THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS WITH BETWEEN STAFF AND SERGEANT REON, ALONG WITH, UH, OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, UH, JOHN CANNING ON THE SITUATION THERE.
AND SOME RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE, WHICH I THINK, UH, THE NEIGHBORS OF OLD COLONY ROAD SHOULD BE PRETTY HAPPY ABOUT.
UM, ONE IS, THERE'S ONE STRETCH THERE.
MOST OF OLD COLONY ROAD AT THAT POINT DOES NOT ALLOW PARKING.
THERE'S ONE STRETCH THAT DOES, AND THE, UM, POLICE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT, UM, THERE IT, AND NO STANDING SIGNS TO BE PUT UP IN THAT, IN THAT AREA TOO, SO THAT IF THERE ARE TRUCKS PARKED THERE FOR ANY PERIOD OF TIME, LIKE THE, THE, WE DID GET CORRESPONDENCE YESTERDAY WITH SOMEBODY'S GARDENER FROM ACROSS THE STREET PARKING
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THERE, UM, THEY COULD, CAN BE TICKETED OR, OR EVEN TOWED.SO, UM, RIGHT NOW YOU CAN'T BECAUSE THEY ALLOW PARKING RIGHT THERE.
SO, UH, AND WHERE THAT TRUCK WAS PARKED, I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW SOMEBODY WOULD BE UPSET.
IT WAS RIGHT AT THE TOP OF THE HILL.
UM, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT SCARY.
THE OTHER RESOLUTIONS THAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING TO, UH, TO THE TOWN IS REDUCING THE SPEED ON OLD COLONY ROAD FROM 30 TO 25.
NOW, THAT ALONE ISN'T GONNA DO A DARN THING UNLESS YOU DO SOMETHING TO ALSO TRY TO CALM THE SPEED.
AND IN FACT, A RECOMMENDATION FOR A DI DIGITAL SPEED DISPLAY SIGN, JUST, I GET MY DIRECTIONS WRONG, I SHOULDN'T DO THIS FROM A SAILOR.
I SHOULD KNOW BETTER JUST SOUTH OF THEIR PROPERTY.
JUST SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY OR, OR ON THE BORDERLINE OF THIS PROPERTY.
SO JUST UPHILL FROM THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? JUST UPHILL FROM THE PRO? WELL, IT'S UPHILL BOTH WAYS.
'CAUSE IT IS A DIP TOWARDS, TOWARDS, TOWARDS THE SCHOOL, TOWARDS THE END OF OAK CALL OR AWAY FROM DALE.
UH, PUT A SIGN THERE WITH, WITH A TRAFFIC, THE TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICE BEING ONE OF THOSE DIGITAL SPEED MONITORS.
AND I GOTTA TELL YOU, I'VE SEEN THOSE THINGS IN ACTION IN RYE.
I'VE SEEN THEM IN ACTION IN EASTCHESTER.
THEY WORK, THEY SLOW PEOPLE DOWN.
SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT THING.
AND I UNDERSTAND MR. ZAPPY, THAT YOU'VE AGREED, UH, TO FINANCE THAT SIGN.
I LET AARON KNOW EARLIER TODAY THAT WE WILL PURCHASE THE SIGN FOR, UM, UH, OKAY, FOR TRAFFIC AND SAFETY DEPARTMENT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. ZAPPY.
WE DID LOOK AT A STOP SIGN THERE.
AND, UM, THE CONSENSUS, AND I CAN UNDERSTAND IT, IS THAT YOU WOULD, COULD CREATE A HAZARD BY PUTTING A STOP SIGN THERE BECAUSE YOU ARE AT THE DIP, YOU'RE ACTUALLY AT A DIP OF AN INTERSECTION.
YOU, YOU HAVE AT A LOW POINT COMING DOWN A HILL, AND THEN YOU HAVE MIDWAY COMING DOWN THE HILL.
SO PROBABLY NOT THE MOST APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR A STOP SIGN.
AND IT WAS FELT THAT TRYING TO SLOW THE TRA TRAFFIC DOWN WAS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT.
AND THAT WAS NOT OUR DECISION.
THAT NO, THAT WAS AGAIN, MR. CANNING, UH, IN CONCERT WITH SERGEANT REON.
SO I THINK THESE THINGS ARE ALL GONNA IMPROVE IT.
IF THERE'S STILL AN ISSUE WITH PEOPLE COMING, FLYING DOWN THAT HILL AND THEY'RE COMING FROM THE SCHOOL, UH, UH, THAT'S AN ISSUE I THINK YOU SHOULD TAKE UP WITH THE SCHOOL.
AND THEY HAVEN'T PUT IN THE, UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE BOND ISSUE PASSED.
UH, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THE CONNECTION TO ARTILLERY LANE, WHICH I COULD UNDERSTAND, THERE COULD BE.
I WISH A PLANNING BOARD ACTUALLY COULD OPINE ON THAT, BUT WE REALLY CAN'T.
IT'S NOT OUT OF OUR JURISDICTION.
IT'S, UH, THE STATE EDUCATION DEPARTMENT.
UM, THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD SHOW UP AT A, AT A, UH, SCHOOL BOARD MEETING AND SAY, NO, WE DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE, BUT THE FACULTY WALK DOWN, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE HILL OR WHATEVER.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THOUGH CLEARLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR PIECE, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, AND THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE, UH, OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC FROM, UH, BOARD MEMBERS? OKAY.
GARRETT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? NO.
UH, I KNOW MR. BODEN, YOU REQUESTED TO SPEAK, PLEASE? NO, YOU'RE OKAY.
UM, MR. SCHNAPPS, YOU'RE ON MUTE.
SORRY, AM I ON MUTED NOW? NO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE FINE.
YEAH, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THE EXISTING CURRENT PROJECT AT ISSUE MAY HAVE JUST AN INCREMENTAL, UH, IN, YOU KNOW, CAUSE AN INCREMENTAL INCREASE IN SOME SAFETY CONCERNS.
BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT OVER THE YEARS, GIVEN I'M, I'M SORRY, MR. SCHNAP, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU.
COULD YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? OF COURSE.
YOU, IT'S JONATHAN SCHNAPPS AT ONE 60 OLD COLONY ROAD.
AND I, AND I HAVE BEEN VERY VERBAL AT THE LAST MEETING THAT I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE, IT'S LESS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC THAN IT IS ABOUT THE SAFETY ISSUES PERTAINING TO THE TRAFFIC AND THE UNSAFE CONDITIONS, THE WINDING ROADS.
UM, I'VE HEARD, I AM, I LOVE THE IDEA, DEPENDING UPON PLACEMENT OF THE, UH, SPEED SIGN, UH, OBVIOUSLY YOU WANNA PLACE IT IN, UH, SMART AREAS, UH, FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON.
THERE WAS ONE ARNOLD COLONY ROAD GOING NORTH AND NOBODY WAS EVER SPEEDING, GOING NORTH, I MEAN, GOING UP THE HILL, WHICH I BELIEVE IS SOUTH ACTUALLY GOING UP THE HILL, BUT DOWN THE HILL, SOUTH TO HILL.
SO IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE THAT YOU'RE DOING IN REVERSE, I THINK SOME MORE CAREFUL STUDY
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ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF, IF NOT A STOP SIGN, A REDUCTION IN SPEED LIMIT TO EVEN LESS THAN 25 MILES AN HOUR AS YOU APPROACH SOME OF THE AREAS IN WHICH YOU WOULD BE BUILDING UP THAT SPEED.UM, I THINK SOME MORE TRAFFIC GOING BACK AND LOOKING A LITTLE MORE, SOMEBODY SAID, OH, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER AREAS OF EDGEMONT.
IT REALLY IS VERY, VERY MUCH DIFFERENT.
UM, BECAUSE YOU BUILD UP A GREAT DEAL OF MOMENTUM FROM THE TOP OF THAT HILL.
AND IF YOU HAPPEN NOT TO BE PAYING ATTENTION, UH, OR YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY EASY TO GET INTO, GET YOURSELF INTO TROUBLE.
UH, AND THE OTHER THING IS ABOUT THE WHO'S PARKING UP ON THE TOP OF THE HILL.
THE STUDENTS ARE STILL PARKING THERE, THERE'S LEGAL PARKING AWAY FROM THAT CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHICH I KNOW YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OF, THEY'RE GONNA EXPAND THAT PARKING LOT.
AND WHILE SOMEONE SAYS THEY'RE JUST CONNECTING TO OLD COLONY ROAD NO, TO, UH, ARTILLERY ROAD.
ARTILLERY ROAD, MY UNDERSTANDING IS, AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BOND ISSUE AGAIN, THAT IT MAY IN FACT BE THAT THERE ARE ALSO CONNECTING TO THE FRONT SIDE OF THE HIGH SCHOOL IN THE PARKING LOT, AS IN A WAY IN WHICH TO RELIEVE, UH, PRESSURE WHEN THERE ARE MAJOR EVENTS OR WHATNOT.
SO I DON'T THINK, I THINK IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A MUCH MORE SERIOUS TRAFFIC AND SAFETY PROBLEM THAN WE THINK.
BUT I DO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECT TO MR. ZAPPI, THAT HIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS A VERY SMALL PART IN THE OVERALL SAFETY CONCERN ON OLD COLONY ROAD.
BUT I I JUST DON'T WANT US TO MINIMIZE IT.
YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I AM VERY CONCERNED 'CAUSE WHAT I'VE SEEN RECENTLY MAKES ME VERY NERVOUS, CLOSE CALLS ROADKILL.
UH, I HAVE TREMENDOUS PROBLEMS BACKING OUTTA MY OWN DRIVEWAY THESE DAYS.
AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, COULDN'T DO IT IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE REAR CAMERAS.
COULDN'T DO IT ANYMORE, YOU KNOW? UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
I JUST THINK WE NEED TO REVISIT THIS FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY STANDPOINT.
AND DAVID, I'VE ASKED, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC WORKS TO, TO COME OUT WITH ME AND TAKE A LOOK, AND I DID NOT GET A RESPONSE TO THAT REQUEST LAST, UH, I THINK IT WAS AFTER THE MEETING.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S SORT OF A SEPARATE, A LITTLE BIT OF A SEPARATE ISSUE FROM SOLELY, YOU KNOW, YOUR APPROVAL OF THE ZONING OF THIS PROJECT.
UH, WE DID GET YOUR EMAIL, ACTUALLY.
WE HAD, UM, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND MR. CANNING BOTH COME OUT, BUT I, I UNDERSTAND IF YOU WANT D P W AND NOT, NOT NECESSARILY PART OF THE ACCOUNTING, BUT WE, UH, UH, OUT OF THE APPLICATION.
BUT, UH, I KNOW YOU HAVE CONCERNS.
UH, THERE WERE, I THINK ONE THING THAT WE WAS NOT DISCUSSED.
THERE'S ALSO GONNA BE, UH, SOME WORK IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, SOME, UH, CLIPPING SO THAT TO MAKE IT, UH, EASIER TO SEE.
BUT WE WILL, UM, UH, REACH OUT AGAIN TO DP THANK YOU.
I MEAN, AND THIS AGAIN, MRS. ZAPP, YOU DON'T HAVE, THIS IS NOT YOUR ISSUE BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING YOU'LL PIN BACK, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TREES AND THE SHRUBBERY AND WHATNOT, UH, SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE GOOD LINE OF SIGHT.
YOU KNOW, MANY OF THE RESIDENTS ALONG OLD COLONY ROAD, UM, HAVE BEAUTIFUL SHRUBBERY THAT UNFORTUNATELY, IN MY VIEW, IT EXTENDS WAY TOO FAR OUT TO THE ROAD.
ACTUALLY, THE SHRUBBERY IS IN THE ROAD, BUT THE ROAD IS, YOU KNOW, IS PART OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, UH, ABOUT THE WAY THEY'RE LIVING THESE DAYS.
SO WE CAN WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE D P W COME OUT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, MR. SCHNITT.
ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU, MR. BERNSTEIN.
UH, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT THE GREENBERG CI THAT THE, UH, GREENRIDGE CIVIC ASSOCIATION RAISED, AND WHICH I ALSO, UH, DISCUSSED AT THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING, BUT WHICH, UH, WAS NOT, UM, BROUGHT UP AT ALL SO FAR THIS EVENING, WAS THE, UH, UH, THE RISK POSED TO, UH, UH, COMMUTERS AND, AND, UH, BE BY CAR AND WALKERS WI, UH, WITH RESPECT TO CARS OR VEHICLES, TRUCKS, DELIVERY VEHICLES THAT WILL NECESSARILY BE SERVICING THE FOUR HOUSES TO BE BUILT.
UH, AND THEY WILL BE, UM, REQUIRED, UM, WELL, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU MAY GET, UH, UH, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WHAT WE HAD SUGGESTED WAS THAT THERE BE A, UH, AN AREA, UM, UH, ON THE PROPERTY TO BE DEVELOPED,
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UH, SET ASIDE SO, UH, THAT THESE TRUCKS CAN PULL OVER AND GET OUT OF THE NARROW ROAD, UH, AND THEREBY, UM, UH, MAKE IT SAFER FOR OTHERS TRAVELING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD.UM, THE, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT, UH, DIRECTLY IMPACTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WHICH THE, THE, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT DIRECTLY IMPACTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE ARE NO DELIVERY TRUCKS SERVICING THOSE HOMES, BUT THERE WILL BE, UH, AND UNTIL THEY START DELIVERING THINGS WITH DRONES, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE DELIVERY TRUCKS, WHETHER IT BE AMAZON, U P SS, FEDEX, U S P S, THEY'RE GONNA BE STOPPING THERE.
AND, AND THAT'S GONNA CREATE A NUISANCE, WHICH NO ONE'S ADDRESSED.
AND YOU HAVE THE POWER, IN FACT, YOU'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE THE POWER IN THIS TOWN TO REQUIRE AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY TO BE DEVELOPED, UM, BE, UH, CARVED OUT FOR A, UH, PLACE TO PULL OVER FOR THESE TRUCKS TO BE ABLE TO STOP.
UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE REQUIRING SIDEWALKS TO BE BUILT, WHICH IS NICE.
UM, YOU DO THAT GENERALLY, THAT INVOLVES, UH, A USE OF LAND, UH, THAT IS, UH, I GUESS ON THE TOWN'S RIGHT OF WAY, BUT IT IS THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER'S LAND.
UH, BUT THIS IS LAND THAT YOU COULD USE AND DEDICATE TO CREATE, TO MAKE IT SAFER.
A SITUATION THAT IS GOING TO BE UNSAFE ONCE THESE HOMES ARE BUILT.
UM, THE SPEED SIGN IS VERY NICE.
UH, IT'S, IT'S NICE THAT MR. ZAPPA'S COMPANY IS GONNA PAY FOR IT.
UH, BUT THAT IS, UH, THIS IS STILL AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE, I THINK, UH, FOCUSED ON, UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROPOSED, UM, UH, UH, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, ASSESSMENT FORM, UH, TALKS ABOUT, WELL, THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE FOR ENOUGH SPACES FOR THE DRIVEWAYS TO HOLD, UM, UH, ADDITIONAL CARS, LIKE I THINK UP TO FIVE CARS.
UH, BUT THERE'S NO, UH, REQUIREMENT THAT THE DELIVERY TRUCKS USE THOSE DRIVEWAYS.
AND I SUPPOSE YOU COULD PUT IN A NO STANDING RULE, UH, OR THE TOWN COULD PUT IN A NO STANDING SIGN, UH, SO THAT NOBODY COULD PARK THERE JUST EVEN FOR A BRIEF PERIOD.
BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA BE ENFORCEABLE.
UH, AND, AND, UH, UH, CONSEQUENTLY THE RISK WILL BE THERE EVEN IF YOU PUT NO STANDING SIGNS, BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A POLICEMAN THERE ALL THE TIME, GIVEN THAT THESE DELIVERY TRUCKS, UM, UH, MAKE DELIVERIES 24 7, IT SEEMS. BUT THEY ARE A FACT OF LIFE AND, AND, UH, IT REALLY IS YOUR JURISDICTION, NOT THAT OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, NOT THAT OF PUBLIC WORKS, NOT THAT OF, OF ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT OF THE TOWN, OTHER THAN THE PLANNING BOARD TO FIND A WAY TO ADDRESS THIS RISK AND DEAL WITH IT USING THE LAND AUTHORITY THAT YOU HAVE.
UM, SO I WAS SURPRISED AND DISAPPOINTED NOT TO HEAR ONE WORD MENTIONED ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DO.
UM, ANOTHER THING THAT WAS NOT ADDRESSED AT ALL, UH, WAS THE CONCERN RAISED ABOUT METRO NORTH, UH, AND METRO NORTH.
UH, EVIDENTLY NOT TAKING A POSITION, UH, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
UH, WE HEARD ASSURANCES FROM, UH, UM, UH, DAVID FREE THAT, UH, WELL, UM, GIVEN THAT THE TE THE PRO, THE PROPOSED ENGINEERING IS GOING TO BE, UM, UH, MAKE THINGS, UH, UH, BETTER THAN IT CURRENTLY IS, AND THEREFORE SHOULD HAVE LESS OF AN IMPACT ON METRON NORTH, METRO NORTH, AS FAR AS I KNOW, HASN'T RESPONDED.
THERE'S BEEN NOT ONE DOCUMENT, UM, UH, POSTED, UH, ON THE WEBSITE SINCE THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IF THERE HAVE BEEN ANY COMMUNICATIONS FROM METRO NORTH, UM, MORE RECENTLY, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.
BUT IF DAVID IS RIGHT, THAT THE ISSUE, THAT THE RISK IS MINIMAL, THEN THERE OUGHT TO BE GUARANTEES, UM, IN THE EVENT OF ANY KIND OF A PROBLEM WITH METRO NORTH.
IF THE RISK IS MINIMAL, THE DEVELOPER SHOULD THEREFORE, UM, YOU KNOW, HOLD THE TOWN HARMLESS, SHOULD THERE BE A PROBLEM.
UH, NOW I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY THE, THE, UH, SOMETHING THAT YOU DO, UH, BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER'S OBLIGATIONS NORMALLY END ONCE THE CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETED AND THE CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY ARE ISSUED.
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NEVER SEEN A SITUATION WHERE, UH, AN IMPACTED AGENCY, NAMELY METRO NORTH, WHICH IS, UH, UH, CERTAINLY A, UH, AN AGENCY YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE TO DO BATTLE WITH, UH, IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S, THERE'S ANY KIND OF LIABILITY COULD CONCEIVABLY HOLD THE TOWN OR ANY OF ITS SUBDIVISIONS, POTENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS LIABLE, UH, IN THE EVENT OF A, UH, OF SOME KIND OF AN ENGINEERING FAILURE THAT IMPACTS METRO NORTH.AND THEY HAVEN'T SIGNED OFF ON THIS THING.
SO I THINK YOU NEED TO ADDRESS WHY THE DEVELOPER, GIVEN THE RISK BEING SO MINIMAL, AS YOU'VE ASSURED AS IT WILL BE, CAN'T HOLD THE TOWN HARMLESS, UH, FOR, FOR ANY, UH, INCIDENT ARISING OUT OF ANY CONCERN THAT METRO NORTH MIGHT HAVE DOWN THE ROAD, SHOULD THE PROPOSED ENGINEERING NOT WORK AS, AS ADVERTISED.
UH, LASTLY, UM, THE, UH, UH, I HEARD NOT ONE WORD ABOUT THE FIRE DISTRICT'S CONCERN, WHICH WAS REFLECTED IN THE LETTER, UH, THAT WAS POSTED, UM, ON THE WEBSITE.
UM, UH, THE FIRE COMMENTS WERE, I BELIEVE, UH, YEAH, APRIL 19TH, 2022.
UM, MY RECOLLECTION FROM THE HEARING WAS THAT, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, UH, WAS NOT AWARE THAT THE FIRE DISTRICT HAD WEIGHED IN MORE RECENTLY.
UM, BUT IN FACT, THEY HAD, THEY HAD WEIGHED IN ON APRIL 19TH, 2022, AND THEY SPECIFICALLY SAID, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR BEING ABLE TO ACCESS THE REAR OF THESE PROPERTIES IN THE EVENT OF A FIRE.
UH, AND I THOUGHT A REPRESENTATION WAS MADE AT THE LAST HEARING THAT YOU WERE GONNA GO BACK TO THE FIRE DISTRICT, UH, AND FIND OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, HAS THEIR CONCERN BEEN ADDRESSED SINCE THEIR LETTER OF APRIL 19TH, 2022, WHICH IS ONLY, YOU KNOW, SIX, SEVEN WEEKS AGO.
UH, AND AGAIN, I, I LOOKED AT THE WEBSITE TO LOOK TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY FURTHER COMMUNICATION, UH, ANYTHING, NOTHING.
AND THEN THE CHAIRMAN IN RECITING HIS, UH, UH, CONCERNS, UH, DIDN'T MAKE ANY MENTION OF THE FIRE DISTRICT'S, UH, UH, CONCERN HERE.
AND I THINK IT MATTERS BECAUSE THERE TOO, YOU HAVE THE POWER.
THE TOWN HAS TO PROTECT, UH, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO BE, UH, AND THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS THROUGH YOUR ABILITY TO CONDITION SIFE PLAN APPROVAL ON, ON CONDITIONS THAT WOULD MAKE THE AREA SAFE.
UH, SO AGAIN, I WAS SURPRISED NOT TO HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THAT FROM ANY OF THE MEMBERS.
I HOPE MAYBE I'LL HEAR SOME MORE ABOUT IT TONIGHT.
UH, BUT THOSE ARE THE THREE MAJOR CONCERNS THAT I THINK NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AS A CONDITION FOR GOING FORWARD WITH THIS APPLICATION.
UH, AND BY, I WANNA MAKE CLEAR, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE APPLICATION.
UH, I'M NOT LOOKING TO DERAIL THE APPLICATION.
I'M LOOKING TO MAKE THE APPLICATION BE ONE THAT IS, UH, UH, A WELCOME ADDITION AND THAT DOESN'T ADVERSELY IMPACT THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE OR USE OLD COLONY ROAD.
AND, AND THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN AND I THINK THE CONCERN OF THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION REFLECTED IN THEIR LETTER, UH, AND THE CONCERNS WHICH UNFORTUNATELY HAVE TONIGHT, THUS FAR NOT BEEN RAISED.
YOU, MAY I SPEAK? UH, YEAH, GO RIGHT AHEAD.
UM, I, I JUST WANNA START MR. BERNSTEIN AND LET YOU KNOW THAT ALL OF THESE ITEMS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATE THAT PERHAPS YOU DIDN'T MENTION ALL OF THEM, BUT THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS GOING BACK AND FORTH.
I'M GONNA LET DAVID ADDRESS THE METRO NORTH SITUATION, AND I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER ON THE FIRE SITUATION, BUT I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE ABOUT THE DELIVERY DRIVER.
'CAUSE I HAD A LOT OF INTEREST IN THAT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS AN INTERESTING IDEA TO HAVE A PLACE TO PULL OVER.
AND I KNOW IT, IT WAS EXPLORED, BUT I ALSO SPENT SOME TIME OBSERVING THE DELIVERY VEHICLES ON MY STREET AND AROUND MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M, I'M ON A, A CURVE THAT PEOPLE FLY AROUND ABOUT 80, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A 15 MILE AN HOUR ZONE.
THERE HAD BEEN CARS IN MY YARD.
I ACTUALLY HAD TO HELP A MAN OUT OF THE WATERCOURSE IN MY NEIGHBOR'S YARD ONE NIGHT.
'CAUSE HE WENT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT THROUGH, UM, I HAVE A, A DRIVEWAY THAT YOU CAN PULL INTO AND YOU CAN CONNECT TO MY NEIGHBOR'S DRIVEWAY AND GET OUT.
I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY, SOME REALLY LARGE DELIVERY TRUCKS CONTINUE TO JUST PARK RIGHT OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS A LOT OF THESE DRIVERS ARE INCENTIVIZED TO MAKE DELIVERIES AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THE SHORTEST ROUTE TO GET TO THE HOUSE.
SOME, I'VE HAD PEOPLE DROP THINGS HALFWAY ALONG MY DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY GET OUT OF THE CAR, BUT, SO PUTTING
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A SPACE FOR THEM TO GO, FIRST OF ALL, WHO'S GONNA TELL THEM THAT'S A PLACE FOR THEM TO PULL OVER? SECOND OF ALL, I AM GUESSING A LARGE NUMBER OF THEM ARE NOT EVEN GOING TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT.IF THEY'RE NOT PULLING INTO THE DRIVEWAYS, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA PULL INTO A SPOT THEY DON'T KNOW EXISTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF I SEE IF THAT'S A VIABLE SOLUTION, IS ALL WE DID TALK ABOUT, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT HAVING A MOUNTABLE CURB SO THE CARS COULD, UH, DELIVERY VEHICLES COULD PULL UP ON THE SIDEWALK, AND THAT WAS NOT ENDORSED BY THE TRAFFIC FOLKS.
SO THAT WAS ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
JOHN, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND RAISED? YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING? YEAH, I MEAN, UH, I THINK IT WAS MR. HAY.
I THINK YOU SAID THAT, UM, YOU DIDN'T SEE ANY REAL LINE OF SIGHT PROBLEMS WHERE THE DRIVEWAYS WOULD, WOULD BE, UM, TRYING TO VISUALIZE IT MYSELF.
IF SOMEBODY WERE TO PARK ALONG THE CURB THERE, I CAN'T IMAGINE, 'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF AT THE HEIGHT WHERE IT STARTS TO BEGIN TO GO DOWNHILL.
AM I CORRECT ABOUT THAT? ANYWAY, IT SEEMS TO ME, AND THERE, AND THERE'S A VERY, VERY STEEP DRIVEWAY ACROSS THE STREET RIGHT.
WHERE THE DRIVEWAYS ARE APPROXIMATELY GOING TO BE, OR IS, OR IS THAT FURTHER UP THE HILL? UM, YOU KNOW THE AREA BETTER THAN I DO.
COMPARED TO THE CURVES AND THE SLOPES ON OTHER PARTS OF THE ROAD, I FELT THAT THAT ONE WAS NOT AS SIGNIFICANT.
BUT I'M NOT THAT SO, ALTHOUGH I, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO, I MEAN, IF YOU'VE GONE THERE AND YOU'VE RECENTLY VIEWED IT AT THE EXACT SPOT, I, I JUST, I KNOW IT, THERE MAY BE A GOOD LINE OF SIGHT TO THE DRIVEWAY ITSELF AS YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE HILL, BUT I REALLY CAN'T IMAGINE THAT IF SOMEBODY IS PARKED IN FRONT, IN FRONT OF THOSE HOMES, THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE DOWN THE HILL OR SEE WHAT'S COMING UP THE HILL.
I DON'T, AND I GOTTA TELL YOU, WHENEVER THE, UH, WHENEVER THE MAILMAN OR ANYBODY IS PARKED ON THE DOWNHILL SIDE OF THE STREET, YOU BASICALLY CAN'T MOVE UNTIL THEY MOVE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT'S COMING UP ON THE OTHER SIDE.
AND THAT'S, THAT TO ME IS A BIG SAFETY ISSUE THAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR AREA, UH, IN MY OPINION.
I MEAN, MAYBE YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AGAIN.
AND BOB'S SUGGESTION, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DOABLE OR, OR WHETHER THIS REALLY IS A HUGE PROBLEM FOR MR. ZAPPI, BUT HIS SUGGESTION THAT THERE'S A WAY TO MANIPULATE THOSE DRIVEWAYS SO SOMEBODY COULD ACTUALLY GO OFF TO THE SIDE, TO THE, TO THE RIGHT OF A CURB AND HAVE A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN LITERALLY PARK THAT TRUCK.
UM, THAT WOULD, I, I HAVE TO, I SAY THAT WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN MY, IN MY VIEW.
SO I HAVE TO GIVE, I GOTTA HAND IT TO BOB.
IT'S NOT A TERRIBLE SUGGESTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT CAN BE PHYSICALLY BE DONE, BUT IT'S, UH, WOULD SEEM TO ME TO BE A, A REASONABLE SUGGESTION.
FIRST OF ALL ON THIS, THE, UH, REGULATING US REGULATING WHAT HAPPENS WITH A DELIVERY TRUCK.
THE DEVELOPER CAN'T REGULATE IT, AND NEITHER CAN THE HOMEOWNER.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A PICTURE YESTERDAY OF A TRUCK THAT WAS PARKED IN A VERY BAD POSITION.
IT WAS A GARDENER PARKED RIGHT AT THE TOP OF THE HILL.
SOMEONE COMING OVER THE HILL COULDN'T HAVE SEEN HIM.
UM, I DON'T SEE EVERYBODY GOING TO THE NEIGHBOR AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD, YOU SHOULD FIRE THE GARDENER.
WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OF THOSE THINGS.
I THINK, I THINK YOU BRING UP A GREAT POINT, BUT IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
TRY TRY 70% OF THE STREETS IN EDGEMONT, BOB, PLEASE.
TRY 70% OF THE STREETS IN EDGEMONT.
THESE, THESE TRUCKS PARK INDISCRIMINATELY.
AND MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT SOMETHING TO MANAGE THEM, OR AT LEAST HAVE WORK WITH AMAZON TO DO IT.
WE CAN'T DO IT ON AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY.
AS FOR THE PULL-OFF, I DON'T, I AGREE WITH MR. HAY.
THESE PEOPLE ARE ON A TIME SCHEDULE.
THEY'RE IN AND OUTTA OUT OF THE PLACES AS FAST AS THEY CAN.
AND THERE'S, YOU TALK ABOUT SOMETHING WE CAN'T ENFORCE.
THAT'S ONE THING WE CAN'T ENFORCE.
ONE THING WE CAN ENFORCE, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, MR. BERNSTEIN SAYS IT'S WON'T BE ENFORCED.
MOST OF THE TIME, UNTIL YOU START TAKING PICTURES OF THE, OF THE PARK, THERE IS A NO
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STANDING, WHICH IS WHAT IS GOING TO BE PUT THERE.AT LEAST BORDER IS BEING RECOMMENDED TO BE PUT THERE, UH, TO HELP MITIGATE THAT.
SO THEY DON'T SIT THERE FOR ANY LENGTH OF TIME AND KNOW THAT THEY RISK GETTING A PARKING TICKET.
THAT'S, I DON'T LIKE THAT SOLUTION EITHER.
I REALLY WISH IT WAS A BETTER SOLUTION.
BUT THE REALLY, I DON'T KNOW OF ONE TO THAT.
WE WILL, AGAIN, WE WILL, THE RECORD WILL BE GIVEN TO, TO, TO, TO MR. RE, UH, SERGEANT REON AND IF THEY CAN COME UP WITH ANYTHING.
BUT WE'VE DISCUSSED EVERY ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS.
THEY WERE DISCUSSED IN DETAIL WITH SERGEANT REON.
THEY WERE DISCUSSED IN DETAIL WITH, WITH MR. CANNING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A GREAT SOLUTION TO IT.
WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT WE'VE MADE THE AREA THAT THIS MAKES THE AREA SAFER PEDE FOR PEDESTRIANS THAN IT IS NOW.
THERE'S A PROPOSAL TO SLOW DOWN THE TRAFFIC.
YOUR IDEA, MR. SNES, OF, OF, OF SLOWING IT DOWN EVEN MORE.
MAYBE 25 IS TOO FAST AND THAT AREA, OR MAYBE DURING SCHOOL HOURS, IT SHOULD BE LOWER TO 20.
WHERE DURING SCHOOL HOURS, MAYBE THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A SUGGESTION.
WE'RE HAPPY TO PASS ON ONTO THEM AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT MAY BE A GOOD, THAT MAY BE A GOOD SOLUTION, PARTICULARLY DURING SCHOOL HOURS OR EXPANDED SCHOOL HOURS.
IT MAY BE A GOOD, A REALLY GOOD WAY OF DOING THAT.
UNTIL ONE OF YOU GUYS GETS A TICKET.
I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IT IF YOU DO
UH, IN TERMS OF THE FIRE, FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS THIS, THESE BUILDINGS ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN, I DON'T KNOW, H HUNDREDS OF PROBABLY HUNDREDS OF HOUSES IN EDGEMONT IN TERMS OF ACCESS EFFECT BETTER.
UH, BUT MR. ZAPPO, UH, MR. ZAPPI, UH, REFRESH MY MEMORY.
I THINK YOU ADDRESSED THE ACCESS ISSUE AT THE LAST MEETING, DIDN'T YOU? YEAH.
SO, UM, FIRE PERSONNEL, FIRST OFF, I JUST WANNA SAY THESE HOUSES ARE, ARE NEW HOUSES.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A HOUSE THAT'S BUILT, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED YEARS AGO AND YOU GOT STUFF YOU REALLY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT.
THE SPRINKLERS WOULD, WOULD REALLY SET AT EASE ANY, UM, AND, AND SLOW DOWN ANY POTENTIAL ISSUE.
UM, SECOND, ANY FIRE PERSONNEL EASILY CAN GET AROUND THE HOUSE.
THERE ARE NO STRUCTURES BLOCKING THEM FROM GETTING AROUND THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
UM, THEY HAVE ACCESS TO MOST POINTS.
UM, LITERALLY EVERY POINT OF THE HOUSE THEY CAN GET IS THE GROUND FLAT.
MR. ZAPPY BEHIND THE HOUSE, UH, THE, THE FIRST FLOOR IS AT GRADE AND THE GROUND SLOPES DOWN TOWARDS THE BACK.
UM, IT'S AN EASY SLOPE THAT ANYBODY CAN WALK AROUND.
YOU'RE ON, YOU'RE ON, YOU'RE ON MUTE.
CAN I SPEAK NOW? YES, OF COURSE.
UH, I WANNA RESPOND TO A COUPLE OF THESE POINTS.
UH, FIRST, IF MR. WITH RESPECT TO FIRE, SINCE MR. ZVI JUST RAISED IT, UH, HIS ASSURANCES ARE WONDERFUL.
WHY CAN'T WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, FROM THE FIRE DISTRICT CONFIRMED THEM? UH, SHOULDN'T YOU DO THAT BEFORE YOU APPROVE? THE FIRE DISTRICT HAS WEIGHED IN.
UH, IF MR. ZAPPY HAS HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH FIRE PERSONNEL FROM GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT, LET THEM COME IN AND LET THEM GO ON PUBLIC AND ON PUBLIC RECORD.
UH, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE REFERENCE TO THINGS BEING DISCUSSED.
THE ONLY THINGS THAT I KNOW ARE DISCUSSED ARE THINGS THAT ARE DISCUSSED IN PUBLIC HEARING, UH, AND, UH, OR WHAT IS POSTED ON THE WEBSITE.
SO, AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, I CAN'T, UH, OPINE AS TO THE, THE WHAT IS, WHAT HAS BEEN, UH, DISCUSSED PRIVATELY AMONGST YOU.
ALL THOSE ARE THINGS THAT HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND FRANKLY,
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, MR. HAYES SAID, AND HUGH YOU SAID IT AS WELL, IS THAT, UH, THESE ARE PROBLEMS THAT ARE NOT UNIQUE TO THIS SUBDIVISION, WHETHER IT BE THE, UH, ISSUE OF THE DELIVERY TRUCKS OR IT BE, UH, UH, ACCESS THE FIRE DUST TRUCKS MIGHT HAVE.
AND MY ANSWER TO THAT IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION OVER THESE OTHER PROPERTIES, AND THEY'RE NOT ASKING YOU FOR APPROVAL TO DO ANYTHING.
THAT'S WHY THIS SITUATION IS UNIQUE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE, BEFORE YOU AN APPLICATION FOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL WHERE YOU LOOK AT THE SITUATION ANEW AND YOU SAY, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE AS THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR LAND USE MANAGEMENT
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COULD ADDRESS? IS THIS A CONCERN THAT IS ADDRESS, AND IS THIS A CONCERN THAT WE SHOULD ADDRESS AND TO SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO ADDRESS THE CONCERN BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK, UH, THAT DELIVERY TRUCKS WILL ABIDE BY ANYTHING WE DO? UH, WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S AN OPINION.UH, I HAD HEARD THAT, UH, THIS BOARD LIKES TO DEAL IN FACTS.
UM, THAT'S AN OPINION THAT I DON'T THINK IS SUBSTANTIATED BY ANY FACTS.
BUT ONE THING IS FOR SURE, IF YOU BUILD IT AND YOU MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THAT'S WHERE THEY WILL PARK, THEY WILL PARK THERE, I THINK.
BUT YOU CONTEST THAT, UM, THE FACT THAT IT HASN'T BEEN DONE ELSEWHERE, UM, IS INDICATIVE OF NOBODY HAVING THOUGHT OF IT AS A PROBLEM THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED UNTIL NOW.
AND A SITUATION ARISES WHERE YOU HAVE A NARROW ROAD ON A HILL, UH, AND, AND, AND YOU HAVE THE COMMUNITY LIVES THERE FEELING PUT A POUND BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE VERY DANGEROUS.
SO, YEAH, I, I FEEL FOR YOU, MR. HAY IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE DELIVERY TRUCKS BEING RECKLESS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND YOU SHOULD CALL SERGEANT RESON, AND HE SHOULD TRY TO RECOMMEND SOME KIND OF TRAFFIC, UH, UH, MITIGATION MEASURES FOR YOU.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LAND USE MATTER BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW, WHERE WE'RE TELLING YOU THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED BY YOU, UM, IT'S NOT GONNA SIT WELL TO SAY, WELL, IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE IT AND WE LIVE WITH IT, AND THEREFORE IT TOLERATE IT.
AND SO THEREFORE, IT'S NO REASON FOR US TO ACT TO PROTECT YOUR NEIGHBOR.
I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY SAID THAT, MR. BERNSTEIN.
AND I APOLOGIZE IF I DID, AND YOU'LL CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT MY POINT IS THAT WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT CREATES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO DO SOMETHING THAT COULD MITIGATE A VERY SERIOUS SITUATION AND TO BASICALLY GIVE IT THE BACK OF THE HAND, UH, AND SAY IT'S NOT WORTH DOING BECAUSE THE DELIVERY TRUCKS WON'T ABIDE BY IT.
AND, AND IT'S REALLY A TRAFFIC SAFETY ISSUE, AND IT'S NOT.
OUR PROBLEM IS, TO ME, REALLY, UM, PASSING THE BUCK.
YOU COULD HAVE SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT PEDESTRIANS WALKING IN THE STREET UNTIL SOMEBODY CAME UP WITH THE IDEA THAT IT'S A, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE SHOULD USE OUR LAND USE AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE THAT SIDEWALKS BE BUILT IN FRONT OF NEW SUBDIVISIONS.
AND IN FACT, MOST MUNICIPALITIES HAVE LAWS REQUIRING THAT, INCLUDING GREENBERG.
SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE COVERING THE SAME GROUND, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S GONNA BE AN ANSWER COMING OUT OF THIS THAT'S ANY DIFFERENT.
HUGH HAS TALKED TO OTHER PEOPLE.
WE DID NOT HAVE A GROUP DISCUSSION.
THERE WAS NO BEHIND DOORS CLOSED SESSION WITH EVERYONE.
OKAY? WE DID NOT COME UP WITH ANY VIABLE SOLUTIONS THAT SEEMED TO BE REASONABLE.
WE CAN'T INVENT SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, OKAY.
I DON'T WANNA HAVE, I'M NOT GONNA HAVE A DEBATE HERE.
THERE'S NOTHING ON THE RECORD TO SUPPORT WHAT MR. HAYS SAID OTHER THAN HIS OWN WORDS.
SO IF WORDS ACTUALLY WASN'T, NOT TO DO IT, THAT'S THE MR. BERNSTEIN DECISION, THE MESSAGE JUST SIMPLY, YOU KNOW, EXCEPT THAT, THAT'S THE SOLUTION WE GET FROM THE TOWN OF GREENBERG'S PLANNING BOARD.
MR. BERNSTEIN, I, WE, UNDER I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, I WILL, AND IT'S IN THE RECORD WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IS ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY BEFORE WE, UH, MOVE ON? IN THAT CASE, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
KEEP THE RECORD OPEN TILL JULY 8TH.
IS IT DAVE? JUNE, JUNE 8TH,
I'M DID MR. Z A HEART ATTACK RIGHT THERE JUNE 8TH.
DO I, DID YOU MOVE IT, MONA? I CERTAINLY DID.
UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GO BACK INTO WORK SESSION? PLEASE.
ALL OPPOSED? NA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU, BARBARA, FOR THIS EVENING.
OKAY, WE'RE BACK IN WORK SESSION.
UM, WE'RE BACK IN WORK SESSION,
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UM, WITH OLD BUSINESS, UH, TOWN BOARD, UH, 2117, PLANNING BOARD 2135.THIS IS THE SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB.
IT'S FOR AN AMENDED SITE PLAN AND TREE REMOVAL, UH, PERMIT AND PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
WHEN WE LAST VISITED THIS, UH, WE WERE SENDING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD, UH, AS TO DOES THAT HAVE TO DO ROLL CALL AGAIN? NO, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ROLL CALL AGAIN, MONA.
I KNOW I'M LOST WITHOUT AARON
UM, IT WAS, IT, WE SENT A NEW, TO A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD ON, THERE WAS A SETBACK ISSUE AND I, AND A, UH, FENCE, UH, HEIGHT ISSUE, I THINK WERE THE TWO, TWO, UH, VARIANCES THAT CAME BACK.
THEY, THEY, THEY DECLARED THEMSELVES LEAVE THE AGENCY, AND THEY DID DO SEEKER.
UM, THEY HAVE NOT MADE A DECISION YET, BUT IT'S BEEN, IT'S JUST WAITING A DECISION.
I I, FOR WRITTEN DECISION IS WHERE THEY'RE AT.
I MEAN, THIS SEEMS TO BE LEANING IN ONE DIRECTION, BUT THEY HAVE NOT HAD A FINAL WRITTEN DECISION, WHICH WILL HAPPEN AT THEIR MEETING IN JUNE, I WOULD SUSPECT.
THAT'S, IF IT'S UP FOR WRITING, THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT HAPPENS.
THEY VOTE ON THE WRITTEN DECISION AT THE NEXT MEETING.
THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT HAPPENS.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE BACK HERE NOW, UM, HAVING TO, UH, REALLY DO A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT FOR THE AMENDED SITE PLAN THAT THE, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE, UH, THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT IS ALSO THE TOWN BOARDS IN THIS CASE, CORRECT? GARRETT? THAT'S CORRECT.
TREE REMOVAL, TOWN BOARD, UH, PLANNING BOARD.
AND SO TONIGHT ALL WE'RE DOING IS, UH, MAKING A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE, UH, TOWN BOARD.
TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THE AMENDED SITE PLAN.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION ANYBODY HAS ON THIS? I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS IN GREAT DETAIL.
UM, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION FROM ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS ON THIS? OKAY.
HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT A RECOMMENDATION? FRANKLY, I FEEL A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE MAKING A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ON IT GIVEN THE ZONING BOARD HASN'T APPLIED.
IT'S REALLY, TO ME, THE ZONING BOARD'S DECISION, NOT OURS, THAT, YOU KNOW, PENDING THE, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE NEW TO PENDING THE, WHAT THE ZONING BOARD SAYS ABOUT, ABOUT THE VARIANCES.
BUT I'LL THROW THAT OUT FOR DISCUSSION.
TOMMY, YOU READY TO TALK? CAN WE MAKE A CONTINGENT ON THE, UM, ZONING BOARD GIVING IT A POSITIVE, WHAT SO POSITIVE CONTINGENT ON THE ZONING BOARD BEING POSITIVE? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
HOW DO PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT THAT? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE? I, I, I DON'T KNOW.
WE HAVE A MIRACLE WORKER FOR, FOR AN ATTORNEY.
MR. I THINK MR. ABEL WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING.
MR. VRABEL, GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME ALL RIGHT? YES.
UH, MR. CHAIR, UH, STEVEN RABEL, MCCALL, GOLDBERGER AND STOUT, UH, JUST AS A QUICK POINT OF CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE, UH, I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE, AND I'M HOPING MAYBE YOU ALL CAN CLARIFY FOR ME WHAT THE ZONING BOARD'S TYPICAL PRACTICES, UH, AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE CONTINGENT UPON THE GRANTING OF THE VARIANCES OR UPON THE ZONING BOARD MAKING SOME FORM OF AFFIRMATIVE RECOMMENDATION.
AND I'M NOT SURE IF THEY, THE ZONING BOARD DOESN'T MAKE AN AFFIRM ANY RECOMMENDATION, AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO CLARIFY.
AND EVEN THOUGH YOU'VE GOTTA A, A FEELING OF WHERE THEY'RE GOING, THEY HAVEN'T WRITTEN IT YET.
SO I CAN'T, I CAN'T ACT ON WHAT THEY PROBABLY ARE GOING TO DO.
WE CAN'T ACT AS A BOARD OF WHAT THEY PROBABLY CAN DO.
THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO IS SAY, IF THEY DO THAT, THEN THIS.
SO, UM, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S WHETHER WE WANNA MAKE IT A POSITIVE OR NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION IS, IS, I MEAN, WE HEARD IT BEFORE WE MADE A PO WE MADE A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR THE, FOR THE VARIANCES BECAUSE IT REALLY, WE FELT IT WAS A ZONING BOARD ISSUE, NOT A PLANNING BOARD ISSUE AT THE TIME.
UM, SO I'M SAY I, MY, MY THOUGHT IS WE STAY OUT OF THE FRAY HERE TOO, AND, AND JUST MAKE A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION PENDING AND, AND PENDING THE, AND THE DIRECTION OF THE ZONING BOARD ON THE VARIANCES, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE NO ISSUES PENDING, PENDING WITH RIGHT.
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COULD PUT IT THAT WAY.WITH SITE PLAN ITSELF, I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE HAD ANY ISSUES.
BUT THERE ARE NO SITE PLAN ISSUES IN THE ISSUE, YOU KNOW, PEN PENDING THE PEN.
SO THE ISSUE COMES DOWN TO THE ZONING BOARD'S DECISION ON THE VARIANCES.
YOU CAN SAY, I, I THINK YOU, YOU'VE, YOU, YOU PRETTY MUCH SAID IT.
WELL, WE NEED TO FORMULATE THE MOTION.
YOU ARE, YOU ARE MAKING A, A MOTION, A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION, UH, UH, CONTINGENT ON THE FACT THAT THE, UM, Z B A, UH, GRANTS, THE VARIANCES YOU HAVE, OTHERWISE YOU HAVE NO OTHER OPINION, YAY OR NAY WITH RESPECT TO THE
WELL, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S WHAT TOM SAID.
I THINK TOM SAID WE HAVE NO ISSUES.
NO ISSUES WITH THE SITE PLAN, WITH THE, WITH THE ONLY OUTSTANDING ISSUE BEING WHERE THE ZONING BOARD COMES DOWN ON THE VARIANCES.
THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHY IT WOULD BE NEUTRAL.
AND IN MY, IF WE SAY IT THAT WAY, IT WOULD STILL BE NEUTRAL TO ME.
DO I, CAN SOMEBODY MAKE THAT MOTION PLEASE? SO MOVED.
ALL OPPOSED? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, LESLIE? MM-HMM.
YOU HAVE TO REPEAT
I DON'T WANNA HOLD UP ANYBODY'S TIME, SO I'LL DO IT AT THE END.
I, WE APPRECIATE YOU CARING ABOUT OUR TIME.
AND SO DOES MR. SIMON, EVEN THOUGH HE IS NOT HERE.
UM, IT'S A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION.
IT'S A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WILL BE TO THEM, MR. AND WE'RE, WE'RE DONE.
IT'LL COME BACK TO US FOR THE STEEP SLOPE AFTER THE, UH, A AFTER THE TOWN BOARD DOES THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
THAT WAS MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
SOMEONE, I'M NOT GONNA SAY ANYTHING, BUT IF WE FINISH AT NINE 30 AND WALTER'S NOT HERE, SOMEBODY HAS TO MENTION THAT OKAY.
CASE TB 22 DASH OH THREE, UH, THE DESIGN SHOPPING DISTRICT, CHAPTER 2 85, DESIGN, UH, SHOPPING DISTRICT UPDATES.
UM, WE GOT A RECOMMENDATION, UH, FROM A WRITTEN RECOMMENDATION, UH, PER REFLECTING OUR COMMENTS.
AND, UM, I HAD SOME COMMENTS, BUT I'LL OPEN IT UP TO EVERYBODY ELSE FIRST.
I WILL, UH, JUST ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
UH, UM, MR. SCHWARTZ, YOU'VE GOT, UH, YOU GOT ACTUALLY THREE PIECES OF PAPER.
YOU'VE GOT THE RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? GOT, UH, THE REPORT.
SO YOU HAVE TO DO, UH, ULTIMATELY
WE HAVE TO DO THREE VOTES RIGHT ON, ON THE RE UH, ON THE TWO REPORTS IN THE RECOMMENDATION.
WITH RE THE RECOMMENDATION, THERE IS A DRAFT, UM, AND THERE WAS ONE ISSUE ABOUT THE DRAFT.
THAT WHICH YOU CAN YEAH, YEAH.
SO WHAT WE HAVE THEN IS WE HAVE THE RECOMMENDATION, THEN WE HAVE TO DO A REPORT ON THE LAW ITSELF AND A REPORT ON THE MAP, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO.
THE ONE COMMENT I HAD HAD ON THE RECOMMENDATION WAS SOMETHING MR. SIMON BROUGHT UP THE LAST TIME ABOUT CABARETS, UM, THE DSS LAW.
'CAUSE I MEAN, SHE KNOWS THE CODE BETTER THAN ALL OF US COMBINED.
UH, I THINK ABOUT, UH, 15 MINUTES AFTER THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING ENDED, OH, BY THE WAY, CABARETS ARE, ARE ALLOWED IN THE DSS DISTRICT.
IN FACT, THEY ARE, BUT ONLY WITH 120,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM, I BELIEVE IT IS.
SO, WHICH IS INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE DO, AND THE CA ZONE, THEY ARE ALLOWED BY SPECIAL PERMIT IN THE CA ZONE.
CURRENTLY, THE ONLY THING THAT IS MISSING IN THE CA ZONE, UM, RE, UH, SPECIAL PERMIT IS THERE IS NO SPECIFICS IN THERE ABOUT NOISE OR DISTANCE FROM A RE FROM RESIDENCE RE FROM RESIDENCES
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THAT ISN'T IN THE CAZO.THE WAY WE HANDLED IT, THE LAST CABARET WE DID WAS PROBABLY MID EAST ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE ONE SINCE, HAVE WE? YEAH, THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME, AND I HAVE ZERO EXPERIENCE OKAY.
AARON PROBABLY REMEMBERS THAT, BUT DAVE DEFINITELY REMEMBERS IT.
UM, AND MICHAEL, I THINK MAY HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD AT THE TIME, WHAT WE DID TO HANDLE THAT.
UM, AND AARON FROM A SICK BED SAYS, I DO REMEMBER IT.
UM, WHAT WE DID WAS WE, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOISE BECAUSE THAT SHOPPING CENTER IS PRETTY CLOSE TO RE IT BORDERS ON THE RESIDENTIAL AREA IN THE BACK.
SO WHAT WE DID AT THE TIME WAS WE, WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH NOISE THERE WOULD BE FOR, FOR IT, AND SAID IF THERE NOISE, WE WANTED TO REVIEW IT IN A YEAR.
IF THERE, AND WE, IF WE HAD NO COMPLAINTS, WE WOULD AUTOMATICALLY RENEW IT.
THAT WAS HOW WE HANDLED IT THERE.
I, THAT WAS THE BEST WE COULD DO AT THE TIME.
BUT MAYBE WHAT WE SHOULD DO HERE IS, SAY, IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO HERE IS JUST ADD WORDS OF THE TOWN BOARD SHOULD CONSIDER, UH, MAKING, UH, CABARETS LESS RESTRICTIVE ON A SPECIAL PERMIT BASIS, SIMILAR TO THE CA ZONE, BUT TRY TO CONSIDER SOME, SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT EITHER, UH, DISTANCE FROM FROM RESIDENTS OR NOISE ABATEMENT AS PART OF THE LAW.
HOW DOES THAT SOUND TO PEOPLE? DON'T ALL GET EXCITED ABOUT MY, ABOUT MY CLIENTS.
WHAT? IT SEEMS REASONABLE TO ME.
ANYBODY ELSE? LESLIE, DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A REASONABLE SAY THE CAP, SAY THE CAVEATS ONE MORE TIME.
WITH THE CAVEAT THAT THEY ADD SOMETHING ABOUT EITHER NOISE ABATEMENT OR, UH, SETBACK FROM A RESIDENTIAL, FROM A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHICH DO YOU THINK IS BETTER? THE NOISE ABATEMENT OR THE, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD DO, NO.
DO WE HAVE, WE HAVE NOISE REGS ANYWAY ON THE BOOKS, RIGHT, GARRETT? YEAH.
WE DO HAVE NOISE REGS AND UH, RESTAURANTS DO HAVE A DISTANCE, UH, FROM PROPERTY LINE.
UH, SO A CABARET IS TYPICALLY IN CONNECTION WITH THE RESTAURANT.
UM, I THINK DISTANCE IS EASIER TO REGULATE THAN NOISE, ISN'T IT? PROBABLY.
BECAUSE PROBABLY YOU CAN DO THAT.
YOU CAN DO THAT AT THE APPLICATION.
WHEN YOU SAY NOISE ABATEMENT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN THEY BUILD IT, THEY, THEY NEED TO PUT SOMETHING NO, NO, NO.
I'M TALKING ABOUT IF, IF YOU HAVE LIKE A LOUD ROCK BAND THERE AND THEY HAVE A BACK DOOR OPEN, THEY'RE GONNA WAKE UP A LOT OF NEIGHBORS.
IF THEY KEEP THE DOOR CLOSED, THEY PROBABLY WON'T, THEY'RE PROBABLY PRETTY MUCH INSIDE.
WE ACTUALLY HAD THIS ISSUE, UH, WITH A 24 HOUR FITNESS, IF YOU RECALL, BECAUSE THEY WERE DOING, UH, SPINNING CLASSES.
IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN TO A SPINNING CLASS, THEY'RE NOISY, BUT IT WAS IN, IT WAS IN A SOUNDPROOF, SOUNDPROOF ROOM.
SO IN THIS CASE, IT WOULDN'T BE A SOUNDPROOF ROOM, BUT, UM, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF NOISE OR SOMETHING AS WELL AS A SETBACK IN THERE.
JUST SAY THAT THEY SHOULD CONSIDER THOSE TWO THINGS.
I WOULD THINK, YEAH, AS PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION, WE CAN COME UP ON THAT FIRST BULLET POINT AFTER NUMBER TWO, WE CAN COME UP WITH LANGUAGE THAT WOULD, UM, REQUIRE, UM, UH, THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR CABERNET CABARET USES TO BE CONSISTENT OR BE, I SHOULDN'T SAY CONSISTENT, SIMILAR WITH THE CA DISTRICT.
BUT TO ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, BUT FOR THE, REALLY, FOR THE TOWN BOARD TO CONSIDER, UM, UH, DISTANCE FROM RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, DISTANCE AND OR NOISE ABATEMENT AND OR, OKAY.
WE CAN LEAVE IT TO FOR, FOR BOTH AND OR NOISE ABATEMENT AND OR NOISE ABATEMENT.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO, TO WHAT DAVE SAID RIGHT NOW? AND YOU SAID THAT YOU ON THE RECOMMENDATION FIRST.
WE'RE DOING THE RECOMMENDATION FIRST.
UH, CHAIRMAN SCHWARTZ, I JUST WANTED TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION TO ONE MORE COMPONENT, UM, THAT I IDENTIFIED IN THE INTERIM FROM LAST MEETING.
THE, THE, THE DEFINITION OF RESTAURANT HAS, UH, WHAT YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTED ON THE SCREEN HERE, AND, UM, IN THE SPIRIT OF BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT, UM, WHERE WE DISCUSSED GIVING
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FLEXIBILITY TO RESTAURANTS TO HAVE A STAFF PERSON, UH, WALK A TO GO ORDER OUT TO A CAR, UM, THIS PROVISION OF THE, UH, 2 85 5 DEFINITIONS OF RESTAURANT WOULD PRECLUDE ANY USE OF THAT.SO, IN ESSENCE, WHAT WE'RE SAYING WITH THE DSS DISTRICT LOCAL LAW, WE'VE REMOVED THOSE RESTRICTIONS, UM, TO BE CONSISTENT.
UM, WE WANT, WELL, THE GOAL HERE IS TO BE CONSISTENT.
SO ONE THOUGHT WOULD BE, UM, INSTEAD OF, UH, REMOVING THIS, BECAUSE CLEARLY THERE'S AN INTENT HERE, UM, WOULD BE TO INDICATE, I THINK ACTUALLY MR. SCHWARTZ CAME UP WITH THE SUGGESTION HIMSELF.
UH, ANY FACILITY MAKING PRIMARY USE OF CAR HOP OR PARKING LOT SERVICE TO CARS WOULD BE CONSIDERED QUICK SERVICE OR FAST FOOD ESTABLISHED ESTABLISHMENTS.
AND THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS, UM, A, A VERY GOOD ONE.
UM, BECAUSE I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT BASICALLY KEEPS THE SPIRIT OF THE DEFINITION.
UM, BUT IT DOES GIVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO THOSE, UM, RESTAURANTS THAT DO WANT THE FLEXIBILITY.
FOR EXAMPLE, FOR EXAMPLE, IT ALLOWS PANERA TO DE DELIVER TO, TO THOSE FOUR PARKING SPACES, BUT WOULDN'T ALLOW SONIC, WHICH IS RIGHT.
WHAT IT WOULD DO IS THE PANERA THAT DOES THAT, IT WOULD NOT RENDER THEM QUICK SERVICE OR FAST FOOD, WHICH THEY'RE NOT.
GARRETT, WHERE DOES THIS PARAGRAPH EXIST? IS THIS PART OF THE PROPOSED REVISION? IS THIS PART OF THE OVERALL CODE? I'M NOT SURE.
IT'S NOW, WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE ZONING TO TO, TO THE PLANNING BOARD WAS CHANGES TO THE DSS DISTRICT, UM, CHAPTER 2 80, 85 DASH 28.1.
UM, THIS SECTION IS 2 85 DASH FIVE, AND IT'S IN THE DEFINITION.
SO, UM, IT WAS AN OVERSIGHT ON MY PART NOT TO BRING THIS INTO THE LOCAL LAW EQUATION TO START WITH.
UM, BUT I DIDN'T WANNA, UM, BYPASS THE PLANNING BOARD, GET TO THE TOWN BOARD AND MAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION MYSELF.
AND IN FACT, I WAS, I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO RECTIFY IT.
AND IN SPEAKING WITH, WELL, THERE IS A, I'M SORRY, GARY.
THERE'S ANOTHER WAY WE COULD DO IT TOO.
WHAT IF YOU JUST TOOK OUT THE PARKING LOT SERVICE TO CARS OUT OF THIS, OUT OF THAT SENTENCE? IT'S WHATEVER THE BOARD THINKS.
I, I, I DEFINITELY THOUGHT, UM, THAT'S ANOTHER, IT, IT IS.
I I THOUGHT THE INITIAL SUGGESTION OF JUST SAYING ANY FACILITY MAKING PRIMARY USE OF CAR HOP OR PARKING, LOT OF SERVICES.
'CAUSE THEN IT'S JUST CLEARLY IF IT CAN BE AN ACCESSORY USE, UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO STAY IN CLOSE SPIRIT TO THE EXISTING DEFINITION, BUT, UM, IF YOU PREFER THE OTHER, UH, SO YOU'RE SAYING, LET'S SEE HERE.
UM, JUST ELIMINATING ANY FACILITY MAKING USE, I LIKE THE PRIMARY BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S JUST ABOUT CAR HOPS AND, I DON'T KNOW.
PARKING LOT SERVICE TO CARS COULD BE A LOT OF THINGS.
THEY'RE MAKING PRIMARY USE OR SIGNIFICANT USE, I GUESS PRIMARY USE.
I, I WOULD THINK SOMEONE LIKE, OR SONIC IS TOTAL USE.
DO WE HAVE ANY THINGS? DO WE HAVE ANY, I CAN'T THINK OF A SITUATION WHERE YOU MAY HAVE, UH, A LOT A, A SIT DOWN.
WELL, WHAT ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE SMASHBURGER? WHERE DOES THAT COME THEN? SO SMASHBURGER WITHOUT A DRIVE-THROUGH IS CLASSIFIED AS SAY, UH, FAST CASUAL.
OH NO, LET'S TAKE IT WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH.
I'M SORRY, WITH THE DRIVE-THROUGH.
UM, THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION I'D HAVE TO POSE TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
UH, WHEN YOU INTRODUCE A DRIVE-THROUGH, YOU TEND TO EVOLVE INTO THE QUICK SERVICE OR FAST FOOD ESTABLISHMENT.
IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT WHAT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT IS THE DEFINITION OF QUICK SERVICE AND FAST FOOD.
LIKE WHAT'S DUNKING DONUTS? WELL, THAT'S GOTTA BE, THAT'S GOTTA BE QUICK SERVICE AND FAST FOOD.
NOBODY, VERY FEW PEOPLE SIT INSIDE THERE.
BUT, BUT THERE'S SO THAT DON'T HAVE DRIVE-THROUGHS.
THEY WOULD BE FAST CASUAL THEN, I WOULD GUESS.
SO IT'S NOT THE, THE NAME OF THE RESTAURANT OR, OR WHO IT IS.
WELL, HOW ABOUT, I GIVE A PERFECT ONE.
WHAT ABOUT STARBUCKS? THAT HAS A LOT OF PEOPLE SIT DOWN INSIDE, RIGHT? BUT THEY HAVE A HUGE DRIVE, DRIVE THROUGH BUSINESS TOO, AND RIGHT.
AND SOME OF THEM LIKE THE ONE ON CENTRAL AVENUE, RIGHT? WHAT DO YOU DO THERE? YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A FUNCTION OF THE AMOUNT OF SEATS, UH, EIGHT SEATS OR LESS.
IT'S CONSIDERED INCIDENTAL DINING, UH, WHICH DOES REQUIRE A SPECIAL PERMIT.
WHEN YOU GET OVER, UH, EIGHT SEATS, NINE SEATS AND ABOVE, THAT BECOMES A RESTAURANT ACTUALLY.
WELL, STARBUCKS IS GONNA HAVE OVER EIGHT SEATS.
SO THAT, THAT WAS, UH, THE SUBJECT OF A, BUT HOW COULD SPECIAL PERMIT RESTAURANT, HOW, HOW COULD THAT BE, I'M LOOKING AT THE ONE ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
HOW CAN THE ONE ON CENTRAL AVENUE BE A FAST CASUAL WHEN THE PAR AND, AND I'M SURE BOB BURSTEIN IS STILL ON THE CALL, SEES IT WHEN HE DRIVES THERE
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BY IT ALL THE TIME, IS CENTRAL AVENUE BACKS UP RIGHT ON CENTRAL AVENUE ON A REGULAR BASIS? THE DRIVE THROUGH DESK, I'VE SEEN 32 CARS DRIVE.I'D HAVE BELIEVE THE MAJORITY.
BOB IS NORMALLY NUMBER 15, BY THE WAY.
HOW, HOW DO YOU DEFINE THAT? THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THE SITUATION WHERE IT'S PROBABLY FROM A BUSINESS POINT OF VIEW, IT'S PROBABLY MORE DRIVE-THROUGH, BUT YOU'VE GOT MORE THAN EIGHT TABLES.
SO IT, WHAT IS IT? IS IT A FAST? SEE, I, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH ANYBODY WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH BEING A FAST CASUAL RESTAURANT.
I, I, I MEAN, I KNOW I'M, I'M A, I'M THE DEVIL OF DRIVE-THROUGHS.
WHICH I THINK IS THE RIGHT THING TO BE IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT.
UM, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW ANYTHING WHERE SOMEONE'S PICKING UP FOOD IS THAT CAN BE PICKING UP FOOD AT A WINDOW LIKE THAT IS A FAST CASUAL RE RESTAURANT, NOT A QUICK SERVE.
YOU KEEP SAYING FAST CASUAL, BUT THAT'S NOT EVEN ONE OF THE TERMS IN THAT PARAGRAPH.
A FAST CASUAL RESTAURANT, WHICH I GUESS WE CALL IT A CASUAL RESTAURANT.
IT'S ULTIMATELY, IT'S A RESTAURANT.
A RE THE RESTAURANT IN THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY.
NO, I, I UNDERSTAND IN THE INDUSTRY CHARM.
BUT IN TERMS OF THE CODE, THAT'S NOT WHAT, OKAY.
HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU, TOM, THE QUESTION THEN IS HOW DO YOU W WOULD YOU EVER DEFINE AS A RESTAURANT UNDER OUR TERMS, ANYBODY WITH ANY SIGNIFICANT DRIVE-THROUGH BUSINESS LIKE A STARBUCKS? NO, I THINK IT'S A BIG QUESTION.
I'M NOT, YEAH, I WOULDN'T, THAT'S WHY I'D ASKED IT.
BUT THE ANSWER TO THAT IS IT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT, IT IS REVIEWED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WHO LOOKS AT THE WHOLE PROJECT AND MAKES A DETERMINATION OF IT.
AND I THINK THAT'S BE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD GO.
I THINK IT SHOULD, I THINK WE SHOULD BE FIXED IN THE DEFINITION.
I MEAN, DO WE WANNA SPEND, I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT A SPECIFIC APPLICATION HERE AND GARRETT RAISED SOMETHING, AND YOU MAY NOT WANNA TOUCH THIS NOW, OR YOU MAY WANT TO, WITH RESPECT TO GARRETT'S, UH, COMMENT, MAKE, UH, UH, RE-REFERRED.
MY PROBLEM IS I DON'T WANT SONIC, I DON'T WANT A SONIC TO BE CONSIDERED A RE RESTAURANT FOR SURE.
BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT ANYBODY WITH SIGNIFICANT DRIVE THROUGH.
WE'RE MAKING THE CHANGE ANYWAY, SO LET'S MAKE IT THE RIGHT WAY IN THIS ZONE, THEN WE'LL GO BACK AND FI FIX IT IN THE CA ZONE.
WELL, ANYTHING WITH A SIGNIFICANT DRIVE THROUGH IS TYPICALLY DEEMED FAST FOOD.
SO, UM, THERE'S VERY FEW EXAMPLES OF, UM, NON-FAT FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS, UH, WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH.
HAVING SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU DID IDENTIFY STARBUCKS AS ONE.
UM, BUT NONETHELESS, WHAT I PRESENTED TONIGHT, UH, IF THE PLANNING BOARD IS, UH, NEUTRAL OR SILENT, I, I WILL BE GOING FORWARD TO THE TOWN BOARD, UM, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO ADD THAT TERM PRIMARY, JUST BECAUSE I WANT THE, YOU KNOW, I WANT THE DSS DISTRICT LANGUAGE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT DEFINITION.
I COULD YOU PUT IT BACK UP FOR A SECOND, GARY, PLEASE? SURE.
I THINK WE DO WANNA ELIMINATE, UM, THE PROHIBITION OF RESTAURANTS BEING ABLE TO TAKE THINGS OUT TO CARS BECAUSE THAT'S SO PREVALENT NOW.
BUT WE DON'T, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IF YOU TAKE THE WORDS PARKING LOT SERVICE TO CARS OUT OF THIS, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM ANYMORE.
REMEMBER, THIS IS A NEGATIVE, ANY FACILITY MAKING USE OF CAR HOPS, SERVICE TO CARS, OUR CONSUMPTION OF FOOD TO BE EATEN AND SAID CARS ARE OUTDOORS OR OUTDOORS, THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.
PARTICULARLY YOU, YOU GOTTA GET RID OF OUTDOORS TOO, OBVIOUSLY.
'CAUSE EVERYBODY'S GOT OUTDOORS THESE DAYS.
SO THAT HAS TO COME OUT TOO, SHALL NOT BE CONSIDERED AT RESTAURANT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS CHAPTER.
SO I WOULD TAKE OUT PARKING LOT SERVICES AND OR OUTDOORS.
UH, THE OUTDOORS IS CONNECTED TO A CAR HOP SLASH PARKING LOT SERVICE TO CAR, UH, CONNOTATION.
IT'S NOT SIMPLY SAYING YOU CAN EAT OUTDOORS.
I KNOW IT, IT IS, IT ISN'T GARRETT NOT, NOT IN ENGLISH.
IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S AFTER THE, OR IT SAYS, OR FOR THE CONSUMPTION OF FOLK FOOD TO BE, OR FOR THE CONSUMPTION OF FOOD TO BE EATEN INSTEAD, CARS OR OUTDOORS.
I AGREE THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE EATEN IN THE CAR.
I DON'T AGREE THAT THEY CAN BE OUTDOORS.
SO I WOULD STRIKE, I WOULD STRIKE PARKING LOT SERVICE TO CARS, UH, PARKING, UH, PARKING LOT SERVICE.
AND I, AND I WOULD, I'D STRIKE OR OUTDOORS.
I DON'T, HOW DOES THE REST OF THE BOARD FEEL ABOUT THAT? RIGHT.
SO SAY SOMETHING LIKE ANY FACILITY, UM, MAKING USE OF A C L S.
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CAR HOP, UH, USING CAR HOPS FOR THE CONSUMPTION OF FOOD TO BE EATEN.JUST IT'S ALL ABOUT CARS, RIGHT? IT'S ABOUT CARS AND CAR HOPS, LESLIE AND THEN DAVID.
I JUST, WHY COULDN'T THE WORDS DRIVE THROUGH BE PUT IN THERE? THEY COULD BE, UH, TO CLARIFY.
SO WHEN I, BECAUSE CARL HOP, I'M THINKING 19 60, 70
W I UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, BUT I MEAN, THE POINT OF THIS IS TO SAY WHAT IS CONSIDERED A QUICK SERVICE OR FAST FOOD RESTAURANT.
SO WHY CAN'T WE JUST USE THE WORD PLACES THAT USE DRIVE-THROUGHS, ESPECIALLY TO DISTINGUISH IT FROM PEOPLE, UH, DURING THE PANDEMIC STARTED DELIVERING FOOD TO CARS THAT NORMALLY WOULDN'T HAVE.
SO WE, WE DO HAVE EXAMPLE IN THE TOWN, UH, THE DELI WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH.
UM, YOU USED TO HAVE THAT I, IT WOULD MAKE IT INCONSISTENT, UM, WITH HOW THAT USE HAS BEEN REGULATED AND APPROVED, UH, IF THAT WERE RENDERED A, UH, FAST FOOD BY VIRTUE OF THE CHANGE YOU'RE SUGGESTING.
I DO AGREE ADDING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, UH, MS. DAVIS WOULD DEFINITELY MAKE IT VERY CLEAR.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE THAT NEGATIVE IMPLICATION OF, UH, BEING INCONSISTENT WITH PAST PRACTICE.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT UP ON YOUR LIST OF ZILLION THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE BETWEEN NOW AND MIDNIGHT.
GARRETT PUT DRIVE-THROUGHS ON THERE BECAUSE I THINK WE REALLY OUGHT TO BE LOOKING AT DRIVE-THROUGHS AS ON OUR OWN IS SPECIAL PERMITS.
YEAH, I MEAN, THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY WITH REGARD TO DRIVE THROUGHS, UM, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THERE IS THE OVERSIGHT.
SO ANYTIME ONE IS PROPOSED, WHETHER IT'S RETROFITTING AN EXISTING RESTAURANT OR AS A NEW PROPOSAL STANDALONE, UH, FREE STANDING BUILDING, IT GOES THROUGH THE SITE PLANNING PROCESS.
SO, UM, THERE, THERE IS THAT OVERSIGHT WITH A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT.
UM, SO THE BOARD DOES HAVE THE CASE BY CASE, UH, REG OVERSIGHT AND REGULATION THERE.
MY QUESTION IS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF DAVE CAN ANSWER THIS HERE,
IT'S, I MEAN, WE MITIGATE THINGS ALL THE TIME.
THAT'S WHAT WE DO PRIMARILY AS WE MITIGATE, BUT COULD, HOW DO WE HAVE THE MECHANISM WITH THE LAW, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN OUT, WHERE I REJECTED DRIVE THROUGH? I'M COMFORTABLE ANSWERING THAT.
YOU DO, BUT I ACTUALLY REALLY WHAT I WANNA SAY, AND, AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA, LIKE, NO ONE IS GONNA LIKE WHAT I'M GONNA SAY, BUT I WILL SAY IT ANYWAY, WITH RESPECT TO REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT GARRETT HAS NOW ADDED, WHICH IS A DEFINITION UNRELATED TO DS, BUT IMPORTANT IN THE DISCUSSION.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE DEFINITION OF 2 85 DASH FIVE.
AND I THINK THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD IS THAT YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE DEFINITION OF RESTAURANT ALLOWS FOR THE FACT TO HAVE, UM, PARKING LOT SERVICE IN THE POINT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE APPLEBEE'S OR WHATEVER, HAVING, UH, PARKING IN YOUR CAR AND GETTING YOUR, YOUR ORDER.
YOU WANT THAT, BUT YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, CAR HOP OR OTHER TYPE SERVICES.
AND I THINK THE WHAT, THE WAY YOU CAN GO ABOUT THIS IS WITH THIS RECOMME RECOMMENDATION, JUST CONSIDER ANOTHER BULLET POINT SAYING DURING THE COURSE OF DISCUSSION, WE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE UH, WE, WE ARE CONCERNED THAT, UH, UH, ABOUT NOT ALLOWING CARS TO HAVE PICKUP SERVICE.
UM, AND SO WE ASKED, WE'RE ASKING THE TOWN BOARD TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF RESA, UH, RESTAURANT TO ALLOW FOR THAT, BUT NOT TO EXPAND THAT ONTO CAR HOP, UH, SERVICES.
IT'S LESLIE SAID, OR DRIVE, MAJORITY OF THESE ARE DRIVE-THROUGHS, NOT CAR HOPS.
IT'S, IT, THAT'S THE GENERAL, YOU CAN USE WHAT LANGUAGE YOU WANT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU LIKE THAT AND IF NOT, YOU CAN GO WITH THE LANGUAGE.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF JUST SAYING THAT THEY SHOULD EITHER HEAR OR SEPARATE FROM THIS BECAUSE IT APPLIES TO THE CAS O IT DOESN'T APPLY JUST TO THE, THE DSS ZONE, RIGHT? IT APPLIES TO THE CA ZONE JUST AS MUCH AS IT APPLIES TO THE DS ZONE THAT WE, WE NEED TO RE-LOOK AT AT, UH, HOW WE REGULATE DRIVE-THROUGHS IN THE TOWN.
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IN THE RECOMMENDATION.'CAUSE I THINK, LOOK, I, I'LL GO ON RECORD AS SAYING DRIVE THROUGHS DO TWO THINGS THAT ARE VERY BAD.
ONE, THEY DON'T GET PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CARS AND WALK.
TWO, THEY CONSUME A HUGE AMOUNT OF FUEL AND THREE, THEY POLLUTE THE AIR, AND FOUR THEY TIE IN, IN SOME CASES THEY TIE UP TRAFFIC.
SO THERE ARE FOUR REASONS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THEM.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU BAN THEM, BUT I THINK YOU NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THEM.
BUT I, BUT I UNDERSTAND GARRETT, WE REALLY SHOULD PROBABLY LOOKING AT ACROSS, UH, CA ZONE AS WELL, I WOULD THINK.
I THINK IT'S A TOWN-WIDE CONSIDERATION.
SO WHY DON'T WE JUST PUT THAT IN AS DAVID'S SUGGESTION, UH, AS A, AS A ADDITIONAL ADDITIONALLY TO THIS.
UH, AGAIN, LEMME GO BACK TO LANGUAGE.
I THI UH, ARE WE AGREE THAT WE SHOULD STRIKE, PUT IT BACK UP AGAIN.
JUST PUT IT UP ONE MORE TIME FOR ME, PLEASE.
IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T LIKE LOOKING AT MARIE, BUT I NEED TO LOOK AT THIS RIGHT NOW.
AND GARRETT, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT OPENED THIS CAN OF WORMS. JUST REMEMBER THAT
WE WOULD'VE GONE RIGHT BY, WE WOULD'VE BEEN HOME BY NOW.
SO I'M WHAT I WAS RECOMMENDING, WE GET RID OF THE PARKING LOT SERVICE REFERENCE TO THAT INTO OUTDOORS.
AND, AND LEAVE THE REST OF IT.
SO IT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY ANY FACILITY MAKING USE OF CAR HOP SERVICE FOR THE CONSUMPTION OF FOOD TO BE EATEN AND SAID CARS.
SHALL NOT BE CONSIDERED A RESTAURANT.
THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE LEFT.
WHAT, WHAT'S LEFT? 'CAUSE THE RLS.
I DON'T THINK THAT SOLVES EVERYTHING.
I THINK WE NEED TO DEAL WITH A DRIVE THROUGH AT SOME POINT.
IT FIXES THE ISSUE WE HAVE WITH IT ABOUT, UM, ONLINE ORDERS BEING
IT ALLOWS FOR THE PANERA BREAD KIND OF THINGS.
AND THAT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S EVERYBODY NOW IS DOING IT.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, A LOT OF PEOPLE DO IT DOING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY CONTACT WEST SERVICE, THEY STICK THE STUFF IN THE BACKSEAT OF YOUR CAR.
DAVE, DID YOU, HAS HE HAD THAT UP FROM BEFORE? I'M SORRY? IS YOUR HAND UP FROM BEFORE? OH YEAH, I'M SORRY.
SO WE AGREED TO DOING THAT OR DO, AND THEN PUT A SENTENCE IN, AS DAVE SUGGESTED, THAT SHOULD ALSO STRONGLY CONSIDER LOOKING AT THE DEFINITION OF RESTAURANTS AS DRIVE-THROUGHS OR TREATING DRIVE-THROUGHS SEPARATELY IN THE APPROVAL PROCESS.
I'M SORRY, DID YOU STILL WANT, DID YOU STILL WANT THE WORD PRIMARY IN THERE OR DROP THAT? NO, I THINK THAT'S A NO NO.
UH, YOU DON'T NEED THE WORD PRIMARY THINKING ABOUT A DIFFERENT WAY TO ADDRESS IT, WHICH IS THE EXCLUSION OF THOSE TWO, UH, PHRASES.
SO HOW WOULD THIS WORK? ARE YOU GONNA SEND US ANOTHER DRAFT, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN MEETINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AND APPROVE OR
THIS WAS, UM, EASY TO FOLLOW AND, UH, WE'LL BUILD IN, UH, THE BOARD'S, UM, NOTE ABOUT DR.
UH, REGULATING DRIVE-THROUGHS TOWN WIDE, UM, EITHER TO BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THIS LOCAL LAW OR THROUGH, UM, A SUBSEQUENT, UH, LOCAL LAW.
AND THEN WE VOTE ON IT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
WE'LL VOTE VOTED ON, VOTE ON 15.
WELL, UH, WELL, THE TOWN BOARD, UH, LET ME, YES.
IS THAT ALL RIGHT? FROM A TIMING POINT OF VIEW? YES.
WE'RE SETTING A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE EIGHTH FOR THE 22ND ON THIS MATTER, SO THAT'S PLENTY OF TIME.
BUT WHAT ARE THEY GONNA SHOW ON THE EIGHTH TO THE PUBLIC THEN? WE'RE ONLY SETTING THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOT, YOU'RE SETTING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND, AND WE'LL HEAR THIS ON THE 15TH OF JUNE.
UH, WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL APPROVE IT ON THE 15TH OF JUNE.
WE HAVE ONE LAST, UH, PIECE OF NEW BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT, WHICH IS PB 22 0 4, WHICH IS, UH, CLEARWOOD VILLAGE CONDOMINIUMS AT SIX DASH 24 POND LANE.
THAT'S THE, UM, CONDO OF, THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE ENTRANCE, THE LONG ENTRANCE INTO STEW LEONARD'S COSTCO AND, AND ALL THAT.
IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHERE IT WAS, UM, IT'S FOR A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, WETLAND AND WATER COURSE AND TREE REMOVAL.
DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE TO, UH, DESCRIBE MR. LOMBARDI, YOU'VE, YOU'VE REPRESENTED THE APPLICANT? UM, WE WE'RE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT WITH, ALONG WITH LUCILLE MONZ.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO PRESENT YOUR PROPOSAL OR YOU CAN SHARE YOUR SCREEN, LUCILLE'S
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GONNA SHARE HER SCREEN.I'M LUCILLE MONS, SENIOR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WITH J M C, AND, UH, I'M JUST GONNA RUN THROUGH THE PRE PRESENTATION, UM, FOR CLEARWOOD SLOPE ATION AND SHARE MY SCREEN.
ARE YOU ALL SEEING THE SCREEN? YES.
SO, UM, TAKE YOU THROUGH IT KIND OF QUICKLY.
UM, SO THIS IS JUST A SMALLER SECTION OF THE AREA THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH.
THIS IS, UH, TOWNHOUSES, UM, EXISTING SLOPE THAT IS IN HERE THAT'S FAILING.
UM, AND PART OF THIS, UH, PROBLEM IS TWOFOLD.
PART, PART OF THE SOLUTION IS TWOFOLD, IS TO REGRADE THE SLOPES THAT ARE HERE, UH, IN ORDER TO, UH, PREVENT THE SLOPE FAILURE THAT'S HAPPENING.
AT THE SAME TIME, REMOVE SEVERAL OF THE TREES THAT ARE IN POOR CONDITION AND THEN REPLANT THE SLOPE WITH SLOPE STABILIZING MATERIALS.
A PORTION OF THIS PROJECT WILL TAKE PLACE WITHIN THE WETLAND BUFFER.
THIS IS THE WETLAND EDGE HERE, AND THIS IS THE BUFFER AREA HERE.
AND PART OF OUR MITIGATION, UH, IS TO DO, UM, UH, INVASIVE SPECIES REMOVAL AROUND THE POND.
UM, THESE ARE JUST SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AT THE BACK OF THE UNITS.
YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE HERE, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SPACE WHEN YOU COME DOWN OFF THE DECKS, UM, FOR FOLKS TO NAVIGATE AROUND.
AND IN FACT, THIS AREA, AREA HERE, THIS YELLOW LINE ACTUALLY REPRESENTS WHERE THIS SLIPPAGE IN THE SLOPE.
AND THERE ARE, UH, ROOT LEADER DRAINS THAT COME OUT.
AND WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING IS EXACERBATING THE, UH, EROSION ALONG THE SLOPE.
SO NOT ONLY WE HAVE SLIPPAGE HERE, WE HAVE EXTREME EROSION AND SEVERAL KEY AREAS WHERE THE, THE, UH, WATER IS COMING OUT FROM THE, UM, ROOF LEADERS.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW LOOKING BACK.
THIS IS MOSTLY INVASIVE SPECIES IN HERE AND VINES, BUT AGAIN, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS EDGE OF THE SLOPE IS SLIPPING AWAY.
FOLKS CAN'T SAFELY NAVIGATE AROUND HERE AS WELL AS MAINTENANCE.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR MAINTENANCE.
WHAT THEY'VE TRIED OVER THE YEARS, IT LOOKS LIKE TO PUT IN, UH, SOME STONE JUST TO TRY AND STABILIZE IT.
BUT AGAIN, AS FOLKS COME DOWN AND AROUND, THERE'S NO REAL SAFE MEANS OF, UH, NAVIGATING AROUND THE PERIMETER.
ONE OF THE OTHER CONCERNS AND OR ISSUES IS THAT SOME OF THESE UNITS, THESE AC UNITS NEED TO BE REPLACED AND THERE'S NO WAY FOR THE FOLKS TO ACCESS THESE AC UNITS.
AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT BRINGING IN A CRANE TO BELIEVE IT OR NOT, TO BRING IN SOME OF THESE AC UNITS.
SO THIS WOULD ALSO HELP, UM, ALLOW THEM TO MAKE THESE NECESSARY REPAIRS, BUT ALSO JUST TO ALLOW THE MAINTENANCE FOLKS TO SAFELY CIRCUMNAVIGATE THE PROPERTY.
SOME OF THE SELECTIONS OF TREES THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN AS A RED, RED MAPLE, UH, PIN OAK, UM, CHAD BLOW, THESE ARE, UM, I APOLOGIZE.
AND AGAIN, THESE ARE ACTUALLY NOT LATIN NAMES.
THESE ARE THE COMMON NAME, SWEET FERN AND CORAL BERRY.
THESE ARE SLOPE STABILIZING SHRUBS.
AND THEN TO, UH, THE GOAL HERE WAS TO USE NATIVE PLANT MATERIAL, UH, FOR THE SITE.
UM, AND THEN THE NATIVE STEEP SLOPE MIX IS MIXED WITH ANNUAL RYE GRASS.
AND AGAIN, IT'S A LOT OF POLLINATORS, UM, SUCH AS MILKWEED, BLACK-EYED SUSANS, UM, AND, UM, BIG BLUE STEM, LITTLE BLUE STEM.
UM, SO THERE'S A MIXTURE OF GRASSES AND FLOWERING PERENNIALS.
THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE VINES THAT, UH, VINE REMOVAL WE'RE PROPOSING AS PART OF THE MITIGATION WITHIN THE WETLAND.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S JUST COVERED AND IT'S, UH, UP IN, IN THE TREES.
UM, THIS IS LITERALLY THE VINES CREEPING OVER EVERYTHING THAT'S EXISTING THERE.
AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER PHOTOGRAPH, AND IT'S ALL WITHIN THE TREES.
SO THE, THE MITIGATION PART OF THE MITIGATION FOR WORK WITHIN THE WETLAND IS TO REMOVE THE INVASIVE SPECIES IN THE TREES AND ON THE SHRUBS.
AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE HOW EXTENSIVE, UM, THE VINES ARE HERE AND JUST ALL OVER GROWING UP IN THE TREES.
AND, UM, INVASIVE VINES WILL BE CUT IN THE FALL.
UH, THEY'LL BE TREATED WITH A CERTAIN APP APPROVED NEW YORK STATE D C HERBICIDE,
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AND THERE'S A WHOLE SEASONALITY HOW IT'S GOING TO BE TREATED.UH, IN THE SPRING, THERE'LL BE ANOTHER CUT.
THE AREA WILL BE INSPECTED, ANOTHER TREATMENT, MORE THAN LIKELY WILL BE NECESSARY.
AND THEN FOR THREE YEARS FOLLOWING THE FIRST TREATMENT, THE AREA SHALL BE INSPECTED AND TREATED AS REQUIRED.
THERE'S GONNA BE NO SOIL TO BE DISTURBED IN THIS AREA OF THE MITIGATION, AND ANY PLANT MATERIAL SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE SITE AND DISPOSED OF LEGALLY.
SO BASICALLY, IT NEEDS TO BE BAGGED AND REMOVED FROM THE SITE.
SO IT DOESN'T PROLIFERATE, THEY CAN'T COMPOST IT BECAUSE IT JUST WILL SPRING UP SOMEWHERE ELSE ON THE SITE.
UM, AND THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION.
SO THE ERO TO, TO STOP THE EROSION, YOU'RE GONNA DO IT JUST WITH PLANTINGS? NO, NO RETAINING WALL.
NO RETAINING WALL, BUT IT WILL BE REGRADED.
AND, UM, GOING BACK TO THIS PLAN HERE, UM, SO I'LL ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT, WHICH MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
SO THESE DARKER LINES HERE REPRESENT THE PROPOSED GRADES.
THE LIGHTER LINES IN THE BACKGROUND ARE THE EXISTING SLOPE GRADES.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE ARE ACTUALLY PULLING THE SLOPE OUT OF IT, LEVELING IT OUT AND BRINGING IT FURTHER SO THAT IT'S AN EVEN SLOPE COMING DOWN AROUND THE TREES THAT WE'RE PROTECTING.
UH, WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING TREE WELLS AT THE EDGE OF THE, UM, DRIP LINE OF THE TREE TO PROTECT THE EXISTING TREES.
IT'S JUST BASICALLY THIS DASH LINE GOING AROUND THIS WAY.
UH, YOU KNOW, THIS BASICALLY SAFE FIVE FOOT PEDESTRIANS ON AROUND THE PERIMETER.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT TIME? I'M SORRY.
YEAH, SO IT JUST, AND YOU CAN SEE HERE WHERE ADDING, CUTTING AND FILLING SO THAT THERE IS, AND BRINGING IN SOIL.
AND I CAN LET DAVE SPEAK TO THAT SINCE HE'S THE ENGINEER WORKED ON THE GRADING.
BUT THE GOAL AND OBJECTIVE WAS TO NOT USE RETAINING WALLS TO KEEP IT NATURAL AND JUST MAKE A MORE EVEN KEELED SLOPE COMING DOWN, UM, WITH A, WITH A, UM, LEVEL AREA AT THE TOP OF THE DESK STREAM SAFETY.
WHAT WAS THE CAUSE OF THE EROSION IN THE FIRST PLACE? DO YOU GUYS KNOW? IT WAS THE STORM DRAINS DISCHARGING AT THE TOP OF THE SLOPE AND THE RUNOFF OFF THE PATIOS DOWN THE HILL.
AND YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THE DRAINAGE, YOU'RE NOT CHANGING, DOING ANYTHING TO DRAINAGE AS PART OF THIS PROJECT? WE ARE PROPO, WELL, FIRST WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THREE DECKS AND THREE PATIOS.
AND THE MAIN REASON FOR REMOVING THEM IS TO REPLACE THE STORM DRAINAGE PIPES.
IT'S THE PLASTIC BLACK COIL PIPE, WHICH CLOGS EASILY AND CRUSHES EASILY.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH SMOOTH WALL PIPE, WHICH WON'T CLOG AND CAN EASILY BE MAINTAINED.
AND WHERE DOES THAT DRAINAGE GO? GO TO, IT GOES DOWN THE SLOPE AND THEN THERE'S A SWALE.
AT, AT THE TAIL OF THE S NO, THIS IS THE TOP OF THE SLOPE, BUT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLOPE IS A SWALE THAT LEADS TO THE POND.
IT BUT IT'S UNDERGROUND UNTIL IT GETS TO THE POND.
WE'RE GONNA PIPE IT DOWN THE SLOPE TO THE TOE OF THE SLOPE.
RIGHT NOW IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S EXITING AT THE TOP OF THE SLOPE.
SO THIS IS WHERE IT WOULD COME OUT.
THERE'S A SWALE THAT RUNS ALONG HERE.
AND SO, SO YOU THINK THE EROSION IS JUST BECAUSE IT'S COMING, COMING OUT OF THE, WELL, TWO THINGS.
ONE, ASSUMING THE P PIPES ARE CLEAR, IT'S JUST POURING OUT OF THOSE PIPES ONTO THE SLOPE.
AND SO SLOWLY EATING AWAY AT THE SLOPE.
AND SOME OF IT IS COMING OFF, OFF THE HOUSES ITSELF 'CAUSE THEY'RE BACKING UP COMING OFF THE, THE PATIOS AND RUNNING DOWN THE HILL.
PLUS, WITHOUT THE STORM DRAINAGE PIPES BEING CLOGGED AND IT'S NOT FUNCTIONING CORRECTLY, SO THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL WATER FLOWING DOWN THE, DOWN THE SLOPE.
AND, AND YOU'RE CONFIDENT THAT, UH, PUTTING RETAINING WALLS OR ING THIS WITH RETAINING WALLS IS NOT NECESSARY? YEAH, WE, WE'VE LOOKED AT BOTH OPTIONS AND THIS IS THE ONE, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YEAH, HOW DO YOU INTEND TO HAVE THAT NEW SLOPE? THE RE-ENGINEERED SLOPE, UM, STAY IN PLACE.
I MEAN, I SEE PLANTINGS, IT LOOKS LIKE AT THE TOP, BUT MAYBE I MISSED WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO ON, ON THE GENTLE NEW, THE NEWLY CRAFTED SLOPE BELOW THAT, THIS, THIS, THERE'LL BE A SEED MIX THAT GOES ON THIS AREA HERE THAT'S HATCHED IN.
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AND THIS IS AN EROSION CONTROLS SEED MIX THAT, UM, IS, IS GOING TO BE PLACED IN THIS AREA HERE WITH, UM, DEPENDING ON THE, THE TIME OF THE YEAR THAT IT GOES IN, WHETHER IT'S SPRING OR OR FALL.THERE'S ALSO, UH, WHAT'S CALLED A NURSE CROP OR, UM, A COVER CROP THAT GOES WITH IT.
THAT'S AN, THAT'S AN ANNUAL THEN DIES BACK.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS RECOMMENDATION HERE WILL ALSO HAVE HAY PLACED DOWN ON IT AS WELL.
UM, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE WHERE THIS AREA EVEN GETS HYDRO SEEDED, UM, AS AN EXTRA MEASURE WITH SOME, UM, FIBROUS MATERIAL PUT IN SO THAT, THAT IT ACTS AS A, UM, BASICALLY HOLD THE SEED IN PLACE.
IS THAT, IS THAT NEW? SO GONNA BE, UH, HARDLY PACKED DOWN? YES.
IT'LL BE INSTALLED AND LIFTS AND COMPACTED.
AND THE PROPOSED SLOPE IS TWO AND A HALF TO ONE.
SO AFTER THIS IS ALL DONE, THE SAME PROBLEM WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN AFTER SEVERAL YEARS? IT SHOULDN'T.
AND, UM, WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THESE PATIOS AND PLANT GRASS.
UM, THREE OF THE UNION OWNERS, UM, WANT TO BUILD NEW DECKS AND THREE OF THE UNION OWNERS WANT TO BUILD PATIOS.
SO THEY'LL HIRE AN ARCHITECT OR ENGINEER TO DESIGN THEIR DECK OR PATIO AND THEY'LL, THEY'LL APPLY FOR A PERMIT TO, UH, BUILD EITHER THEIR DECK OR PATIO.
AND CLA WOOD CAME UP WITH NEW, UM, STANDARDS FOR DECKS AND FOR PATIOS.
AND IF IT'S GONNA BE A PATIO, IT WILL NEED TO BE A PERMEABLE PAVER PATIO.
I WAS GONNA ASK THAT TO REDUCE THE RUNOFF.
SO THEY'LL BE EACH INDIVIDUALLY APPLYING? YES.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEW DRAIN PIPES ARE NOT ANYWHERE NEAR WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE SINKING FOOTINGS OR WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING FOR THOSE DECKS, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO COME IN AFTER MAY NOT KNOW WHERE THOSE PIPES ARE.
LESLIE, DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY COMMENTS? I WAS CURIOUS.
UM, SO, SO THE RED CIRCLE, UM, ALL THE WAY WOULD BE TO MY LEFT.
THAT'S PART OF THE UNITS ALSO, BUT AFTER THE RED LINE.
SO WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT IS, DOES THAT HAVE THE INVASIVE BUSHES THERE TOO? AND YOU'RE ONLY WORKING UP TO A CERTAIN POINT? NO, ACTUALLY THE, THE, UH, THE INVASIVE SPECIES IS AT THE, IS IN THIS DIRECTION HERE.
UM, AND I CAN, I CAN BRING UP THE PLAN, BUT THAT'S, IT'S REAL.
LET ME GO THROUGH THE PHOTOGRAPHS.
SO THE AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DURING THE GRADING IS BACK IN HERE.
AND THERE'S MOSTLY, UM, THERE'S JUST WEEDS ON THE SLOPE.
THESE ARE WHERE THE TREES ARE THAT ARE BEING COMPROMISED AND HARMED BY THE, THE VINES THAT ARE GROWING UP.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE, LIKE THE, THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS PRETTY MUCH, MOST OF THIS BEHIND HERE IS MOWED.
UM, AND THIS AREA AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE POND IS NOT, AND THIS, ALL THESE TREES ARE BEING SWALLOWED UP BY THE VINES.
AND THIS IS NOT, THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW LOOKING DOWN THE, DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, LET ME SEE IF I HAVE THAT PLAN.
AND THIS SEEMS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE A VAST IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT'S THERE NOW, BOTH, YOU KNOW, TODAY AND UM, INTO THE FUTURE.
THE POINT OF THE QUESTION WAS JUST TO MAKE SURE I MEAN THOSE YEAH.
THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT STOPPING THE INVASIVE, LIKE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE JUST HANDLING A PIECE OF IT, RIGHT? I GUESS.
SORRY, I'M HAVING TROUBLE OPENING THE FILE.
DAVE, YOU DON'T HAVE IT OPEN, DO YOU? THAT'S IT'S FINE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY? OKAY.
I GUESS WE NEED A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS, CORRECT DAVE? WE DO, UM, IF
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IT'S THE BOARD'S PLEASURE, I KNOW WE HAVE A COUPLE THINGS ON FOR JUNE 15TH.UH, BUT UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT DAY IF YOU WANT TO DO IT THAT DAY.
YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE A VERY LONG PUBLIC HEARING TO BE HONEST.
BUT ADVISE THE APPLICANTS THAT, UH, RIGHT NOW AS IT STANDS, WE EXPECT TO HAVE THAT MEETING AT TOWN HALL.
UM, UNLESS THERE'S A CHANGE AND THE GOVERNOR EXTENDS HER EXECUTIVE ORDER, WHICH WE WON'T KNOW PROBABLY UNTIL JUNE 14TH.
SO JUST, UH, SO STAY IN TIME PLAN TO BE A TOWN PLAN TO BE A TOWN HALL.
DO WE NEED A MOTION FOR THAT TO NO, I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION HERE BEFORE YOU CLOSE THIS.
WE ARE THE PERSON IN LIKE SCHOOL.
LIKE EVERYBODY WAS LEAVING AND THEN YOU HAD TO ASK THE TEACHER ONE LAST QUESTION.
RIGHT? PLAYING THE ROLE THREAD IS ME.
UM,
THIS IS AN H O A, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO IS THERE ANYBODY OPPOSING THIS THAT WE CAN, UH, AMONGST THE H O A THIS WHOLE PROJECT? I DON'T THINK SO.
UM, EVERYBODY'S IN IN, THEY WANT THIS WORK DONE.
THERE'VE BEEN ASKING QUESTION, HAVE YOU BEEN PART OF AN H O A I'M
THERE MAY BE SOME, WE MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT IT THOUGH.
WE DUNNO WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN IN THAT SOON.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT THE CAC C DID, DID GIVE THIS A POSITIVE WITH CONDITIONS.
SO WE'LL SEE YOU ON THE 15TH OF JUNE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION THIS EVENING.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU EVERYONE.
WITH THAT WE'LL CLOSE THE, UH, SESSION FOR NIGHT AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU GUYS EITHER VIA ZOOM, WE'RE STILL GONNA BE ON ZOOM OR ON CHANNEL 76, UM, ON THE 15TH, BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME TO TOWN HALL.
I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR PARTICIPATING TONIGHT, PARTICULARLY THE PUBLIC.
IT'S, WE DO LISTEN AND IT IS IMPORTANT AND, UM, THE THINGS, THE, THE COMMENTS WILL BE CONSIDERED AND, AND SEE IF THERE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE FURTHER.
UM, THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY ABOUT THAT, BUT WE DO CONSIDER THAT AND APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS AND UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. BERNSTEIN.
AND, AND, UH, MR. SCHNITT ARE COMING OUT TONIGHT.
I VERY, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT.
SO UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING I, I, I WANNA STOP THE RECORDING, BUT I YOU'RE READY? YEAH.
BEFORE YOU STOP THE RECORDING, I WANNA THANK, UH, MR. SCHMIDT FOR ACTUALLY HANGING IN THERE.
AND AS EVERYBODY CAN SEE, I'M LOST WITH A, WITH THAT OUT OF MY SIDE, HE MAKES ME LOOK A LOT BETTER.
SO, UM, AARON HAS, UH, COME DOWN WITH COVID AND, UH, IS AT HOME, BUT, UH, STUCK IT OUT AND WORKED ALL DAY.
AARON, YOU, YOU SHUT EVERYTHING OFF AFTER THIS AND NOT WORK TOMORROW.
OKAY, THAT'S, CAN I HAVE A VOTE OF THE BOARD ON THAT? IS THERE A MOTION ON THAT? SO MOVE.
BOB, THINK YOU SHUT OFF THE RECORDING.