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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.[ FINAL TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, June 15, 2022 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
WELCOME TO THE JUNE 15TH TO OUR 2022, UH, PLANNING BOARD MEETING.I'VE GOT A PRETTY FULL, FULL SCHEDULE TONIGHT.
WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WE'LL WE WILL DO AFTER, UH, HEARING A LITTLE BIT OF OLD BUSINESS AND GETTING THROUGH OUR CORRESPONDENCE.
UM, MR. SCHMIDT, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? SURE.
I'LL NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT OUR ALTERNATE MEMBER LESLIE DAVIS, IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
OKAY? PLEASE KEEP YOUR MICS MUTED UNTIL CALLED UPON THIS SPEAK.
UM, FIRST THING I'D TAKE UP IS THE MINUTES.
UH, DAVE TOLD ME I SHOULD DO THAT AFTER THE ROLL CALL.
UM, I HAD ONE AMENDMENT TO THE MINUTES.
UH, MATT, UH, DID YOU MAKE THAT CHANGE, WHICH WAS ON THE CONSULTANT? UH, FOR, ON THE, THE PERSON WHO SPOKE ON MARIJUANA, THERE WAS A COMMENT HE MADE ABOUT THE CRIME RATE GOING DOWN, UM, WHEN THESE COMMISSARIES WERE BUILT, ACTUALLY GOING DOWN RATHER THAN UP, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT MADE THE MINUTES.
SO I'VE ASKED MATT TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE MINUTES.
AND YOU'RE NODDING YOUR HEAD YES, MATT, YOU'VE DONE THAT? YEAH.
THAT WILL, THAT THAT WILL BE DONE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? YEAH, I MENTIONED THAT MONA.
YEAH, I MENTIONED THIS TO MATT ALREADY.
UH, FOR THE CLEARWOOD CONDOMINIUMS, UM, DISCUSSION.
I ASKED TO JUST ADD THE SENTENCE THAT THEY ARE PLANNING TO REMOVE A LOT OF INVASIVE SPECIES.
UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WAS IN THERE, AND THAT WILL GET IT AS WELL.
OKAY, MONA? UM, I DIDN'T SPEAK TO MATT ABOUT THIS.
BUT WHEN I, UM, ASKED ON PAGE TWO IN REGARDS TO MR. ALVAREZ, WHEN I ASKED HIM ABOUT THE DISPENSARY STILL DEALING IN CASH, IT WAS IN REGARDS TO THE SECURITY, AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT THEM STILL HANDLING CASH.
SO IF HE COULD JUST ADD THAT CLARIFICATION IN TO THE MINUTES, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE COMMENTS ON THE, ON THE MINUTES? OKAY.
IN THAT CASE, I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED.
UH, AARON CORRESPONDENCE? WE JUST HAVE, HAVE THE ONE OR ARE WE DOING THE TWO? WE HAVE TWO.
AND WE, I THINK WE CAN RUN THROUGH THOSE QUICKLY.
SO WE, DO YOU WANNA DO BODY FIRST? YEAH, WE CAN DO DY FIRST.
SO, UH, CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 18.
IN YOUR PACKAGES, YOU WOULD'VE RECEIVED A REQUEST FOR A 90 DAY EXTENSION OF PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S FIRST PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION, UM, EXTENSION REQUEST.
THEY'VE EXPERIENCED SOME DELAYS DUE TO COORDINATION WITH THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.
UH, BUT THEY'RE IN THE FINAL STEPS OF SUBMITTING THE FINAL MYLAR PLATT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH FOR SIGNATURE.
THEY BELIEVE THE 90 DAYS SHOULD BE ENOUGH, UH, IN ORDER TO GET THAT ENDORSEMENT AND THEN COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
THEY'RE CURRENTLY SET TO EXPIRE ON JULY 19TH, SO THAT'S EVEN A MONTH, OVER A MONTH FROM NOW.
THEY SUBMITTED AHEAD OF TIME AND THE ADDITIONAL 90 DAYS WOULD ASSIST THEM IN THIS CASE.
WE KEEP EXPERIENCING A LOT OF DELAYS WITH THE, UM, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND DEPART WESTCHESTER COUNTY.
CAN WE JUST MAKE EXTENSIONS 180 DAYS TO COVER IT, EVEN THOUGH THEY BELIEVE 90 DAYS IS ENOUGH SO WE DON'T HAVE THEM COMING BACK OVER AND OVER AGAIN? UH, DO YOU WANNA ANSWER THAT, DAVE? GO AHEAD.
OUR CODE IS, IS PRETTY, UH, EXPLICIT ABOUT THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS EXTENSION? OKAY.
I WILL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, GIVE THE EXTENSION OF 90 DAYS.
ALL OPPOSED? NO, NO ONE ABSTENTIONS.
THE SECOND ONE IS CASE NUMBER PB 1522.
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ALSO KNOWN AS THE BAUM SUBDIVISION, UH, IN P O IRVINGTON EAST IRVINGTON.UH, SO THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A REQUEST AND I, I BELIEVE I FORWARDED IT OUT BY EMAIL, UH, A REQUEST FOR EXTENSION ON THE ROCK SHIPPING AT THIS SITE.
SO IN THE PLANNING BOARD'S APPROVAL LETTER, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT, THE PLANNING BOARD PERMITTED, UH, THE ROCK CHIPPING TO BE CONDUCTED OVER A PERIOD OF 60 DAYS.
AND THE APPLICANT FILED FOR ITS ROCK CHIPPING PERMITS THROUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND ACTUALLY SECURED TWO 30 DAY PERMITS.
UM, THE APPLICANT WAS, WAS CONTACTED BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AFTER 60 CALENDAR DAYS, HAD LAPSED AND WAS TOLD THEY CAN NO LONGER CONTINUE, UH, AND THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO SEEK AN EXTENSION FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
NOW, THE APPLICANT WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT, UM, IT WAS ACTUALLY 60 WORKING DAYS.
SO 60 ROCK HAMMERING DAYS VERSUS 60 CALENDAR DAYS FROM THE FIRST DAY THAT THEY CHIPPED ROCK.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T JUST NECESSARILY DO IT CONTINUOUSLY, YOU KNOW, YOU DO SOME ONE DAY AND THEN YOU'RE DOING OTHER WORK AND THEN YOU COME BACK TO IT NEVERTHELESS, OR YOU DO IT AS YOU ENCOUNTER IT.
SO THE APPLICANT, UH, HAS INDICATED THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LARGE SITE AND THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF INSTALLING THE ROADWAY AND YOU UTILITY, UM, SERVICES AT THE SITE AND THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THEM.
THEY DON'T EVEN THINK THEY NEED THE 30 DAYS, BUT THEY'RE ASKING FOR A 30 DAY EXTENSION.
WE DON'T THAT 30 CALENDAR, AARON 30 CALENDAR AT THIS TIME.
UM, HE DID INDICATE TO ME THAT AS THEY TRANSITION INTO THE ACTUAL BUILDING LOTS, THERE COULD BE A NEED FOR A FURTHER EXTENSION DOWN THE ROAD, BUT THAT'S NOT KNOWN AT THIS POINT.
COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, EXTEND THEIR, UH, THEIR CHIP ROCK SHIPPING PERMIT FOR A PERIOD OF 30 DAYS? I BELIEVE WALTER HAS A QUESTION.
DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION, WALTER? YEAH.
WHY SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME IF WE, THEY WILL ANTICIPATE THE POSSIBILITY THAT THERE'LL EVEN BE MORE DOWN THE ROAD.
SO WHY DON'T WE MAKE IT LIKE 60? ANY REASON WHY WE HAVE TO LIMIT THE SIX TO, UH, 30 DAYS? WELL, WALTER, THE, THE ISSUE, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WAS GONNA BRING UP WITH THE BOARD AT A FUTURE TIME, THE ISSUE IS THAT IT'S NOW UNDER THE CURRENT PROTOCOLS AND THE CURRENT CONDITIONS, IT'S BEING VIEWED AS CALENDAR DAYS.
IT'S GONNA TAKE THEM TIME TO SECURE BUILDING PERMITS ONCE THEY TRANSITION FROM THE ROADWAY AND UTILITY.
SO THEY'RE GONNA RUN OUT OF 30 OR EVEN 60 DAYS IF IT'S JUST BY CALENDAR DAYS, IF IT'S ACTUAL WORKING DAYS.
AND THAT'S THE CONVERSATION THAT I PLAN TO HAVE WITH THE BOARD DOWN THE ROAD, IS IF WE WANT TO TRANSITION TO ITS ACTUAL 60 DAYS OF ROCK CHIPPING OR 30 DAYS OF ROCK.
BUT EVEN THEN IT HAS TO BE 60 WORKING DAYS DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE DOING IT FOR 60 DAYS.
THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO THINGS.
WHETHER THEY COULD CHIP, DOESN'T MEAN THEY DID CHIP.
'CAUSE IF THEY STOP FOR FIVE DAYS, THEY DON'T GET A BONUS.
AND THAT'S, THEY COULD GO ON FOR YEARS.
SO, SO THAT'S THE DISCUSSION TO HAVE AT A FUTURE TIME.
I THINK RIGHT NOW BEING THAT IT'S, UH, A CALENDAR DAY DECISION, THEY DON'T NEED THAT MUCH TIME AND THEY'RE WILLING TO COME BACK AT A FUTURE TIME PERMIT, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK, I'M SURE.
SHORTLY ENCOUNTER OUR SO COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO EXTEND THE ROCK SHIPPING PERMIT? 30 DAYS.
MR. SIMON? DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, UH, HONOR.
ALL OPPOSED? NOBODY ABSTENTIONS, NONE.
WE'RE GOING INTO, UH, OLD BUSINESS FIRST, UH, CASE PB 1736 ZCO ON OLD COLONY ROAD.
I THINK PEOPLE ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROJECT BY NOW.
IT'S BEEN AROUND A FEW YEARS AND WE'VE HAD SEVERAL WORK SESSIONS ON IT, UH, RECENTLY AS WELL.
UM, SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO RIGHT NOW IS TURN IT OVER FOR JUST A KIND OF AN OPENING STATEMENT.
BY THE WAY, TONIGHT OUR, OUR GOAL IS TO, UH, DECIDE ON THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AS WELL AS THE WETLAND WATER CO COURSE AND TREAT TREAT REMOVAL PURPOSE.
THOSE ARE OUR THREE VOTES TONIGHT.
DID WE DO SEA ON THIS? WE DID.
AND JUST A A A SLIGHT CLARIFICATION, WE'RE GOING, THE BOARD IS GONNA CONSIDER PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION, THE PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND THE WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT.
THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT WILL COME AT THE TIME OF FINAL SUBDIVISION.
THEN ACTUALLY, THE, UH, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE, UM,
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AGENDA SAYS TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, JUST SO YOU KNOW.I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO VICE CHAIR TOM, TOM HAY, WHO JUST WANTS TO MAKE A GENERAL STATEMENT ABOUT WHAT, UH, ABOUT THIS, UH, WELL, ABOUT WHAT WE DO AS A BOARD WHEN WE HAVE A COMPLEX PROJECT LIKE THIS, AND ALSO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS PROJECT, TOM.
I GENERALLY DON'T SAY A LOT IN THESE MEETINGS, BUT I'M GONNA GIVE IT A SHOT HERE.
SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS, UH, FOR MORE THAN FOUR YEARS, AND WE'VE INVITED THE PUBLIC INPUT FROM THE BEGINNING AND WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF COMMENTS, UM, FROM SEVERAL PUBLIC HEARINGS AND ALSO FROM CORRESPONDENCE.
AND THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO SPOKE UP.
WE DO LISTEN, WE DO FOLLOW UP, AND WE DO CONSIDER ALL IDEAS AND SUGGESTIONS.
NOW, NOT ALL OF THEM ARE WORKABLE OR PRACTICAL, AND SOMETIMES ONE SOLUTION MIGHT CAUSE A PROBLEM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO WE HAVE TO TAKE IT AS A WHOLE.
AND WE'RE NOT EXPERTS OURSELVES.
SO WE REFER QUESTIONS TO PROFESSIONALS WITH SPECIFIC EXPERTISE IN DIFFERENT AREAS SUCH AS TRAFFIC AND STORMWATER.
HOW DO WE DO THAT? WELL, THE TOWN HIRES INDEPENDENT SPECIALISTS AND THEY GO OVER THE IDEAS AND THE SUGGESTIONS, BOTH FROM OUR BOARD AND FROM THE PUBLIC.
NOW THEY HAVE KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE THAT WE DON'T, AND THEY KNOW STANDARDS AND CRITER AND PRECEDENTS BASED ON A LARGE AMOUNT OF DATA THAT VASTLY EXCEED ANY SPECIFIC PROJECT.
AND THEN THEY GIVE US THEIR RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE FACTS OF EACH SITUATION.
NOW, IN THE END, OUR DECISIONS AS A BOARD ARE BASED ON THE FACTS OF EACH APPLICATION, ALONG WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THESE EXPERTS AND NOT ON OPINIONS.
LAND USE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS ABOUT BALANCING THE RIGHTS OF ALL INVOLVED LANDOWNERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAW.
NOW, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UM, IN OVER FOUR YEARS OF ADDRESSING CONCERNS FROM THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC, UH, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO, UM, MAKE SEVERAL SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL, INCLUDING A BIG REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF UNITS, UH, CHANGE IN THEIR LOCATIONS, AND FIXING A MAJOR EXISTING DRAINAGE ISSUE, WHICH, BY THE WAY, STARTS OUTSIDE THEIR PROPERTY AND CURRENTLY IS CAUSING PROBLEMS BEYOND THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW TRAFFIC SEEMS TO BE THE MAIN CONCERN, UM, FROM THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.
AND I JUST WANNA STRESS THAT ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS SINCE THE BEGINNING, SINCE WE STARTED LOOKING AT THIS, WE'VE REACHED OUT NOT ONLY TO THE TOWN TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, BUT ALSO TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TRAFFIC AND SAFETY UNIT FOR FEEDBACK AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
THEY'VE LOOKED AT THE PROJECT VERY CAREFULLY.
THEY'VE PROPOSED WAYS TO MITIGATE CONCERNS TO THE EXTENT THEY BELIEVE IT'S WARRANTED BY THE FACTUAL CONDITIONS.
THE RECOMMENDATIONS MAY NOT MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY, BUT AGAIN, OUR DECISIONS NEED TO BE MADE ON THE FACTS AND ON EXPERTISE, NOT ON OPINION.
SO WE VALUE YOUR COMMENTS, WE LISTEN, WE FOLLOW UP, WE DO GET THEM EVALUATED BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION.
AND THAT BRINGS US TO WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TONIGHT.
UM, THERE WERE REALLY THREE AREAS THAT OF CONCERN WITH THIS PROJECT FROM FROM THE BEGINNING.
UH, THE FIRST ONE, WHICH ACTUALLY PROBABLY TOOK THE LONGEST TIME WAS DRAINAGE.
UM, BECAUSE THERE WAS EXISTING HAS BEEN FOR YEARS AN EXISTING PROBLEM DOWN BY THE PIPELINE THAT WAS GOING THROUGH THIS PROPERTY.
IT WAS DISCOVERED AS PART OF THIS, AS TOM ALLUDED TO, THAT THAT DRAINAGE ISSUE ACTUALLY STARTED ABOVE THIS PROPERTY AND JUST HAPPENED TO BE GOING THROUGH IT.
IF SOMEBODY HAS THEIR MIC ON, 'CAUSE I COULD HEAR THEM PLAYING WITH IT, PLEASE SHUT IT OFF BECAUSE THEY CAN HEAR IT.
UM, SO THE, THE DRA THE PROBLEM STARTS ABOVE THEIR PROPERTY JUST HAPPENED TO BE GOING THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY AS THEY DID THIS.
UM, THE DEVELOPER ACTUALLY HAS COME UP WITH A PLAN NOT ONLY TO THE DEVELOPER'S, ONLY OBLIGATION IS TO ENSURE THAT THE AMOUNT OF WATER COMING OFF THAT PROPERTY AT POST-DEVELOPMENT IS NO GREATER THAN IT WAS PRE-DEVELOPMENT.
AND IN FACT, THE, UH, WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS GONE BEYOND THAT AND SOLVED A PROBLEM FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY BY DOING SOME PIPING ALL THE WAY DOWN ON THE PIPELINE ITSELF.
SO THERE ARE HANDLING WATER THAT NEVER STARTED ON THEIR PROPERTY, UM, AND HAVE ENGINEERED IT TO ACTUALLY REDUCE THE RUNOFF ON ONTO THE PIPELINE.
SO THAT ADDRESSES THE DRAINAGE ISSUE.
UM, THE FIRE ISSUE, THE, IT IS AN ISSUE WITH SO MANY HOUSES, UH, IN ALL OVER GREENBERG.
'CAUSE GREENBERG IS HILLY, UM, TO ACCESS TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
UM, THAT WAS THE KEY COMMENT THAT CAME FROM, UH, THE, UH, ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS
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OF THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT.UH, THAT ALSO HAS BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE, UH, APPLICANT AGREEING TO PUT A, A WALKWAY FROM THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY TO THE BACK, WHICH NOT ONLY BENEFITS THE ACCESS TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DISTRICT, BUT IT ALSO ACTUALLY BENEFITS THE HOMEOWNER.
'CAUSE YOU WOULDN'T WANT THE GARDENER TRAIPSING THROUGH YOUR HOUSE, OR YOU HAVE A BIG BARBECUE OR A KIDS THING IN THE BACKYARD.
YOU DON'T WANT THEM THE HOUSE, YOU WANT THEM TO BE GOING AROUND IT.
SO IT'S AN ADVANTAGE, IT'S A WIN-WIN SITUATION.
AND AGAIN, UM, THE, UH, APPLICANT STEPPED UP AND, UH, HAS AGREED TO SOLVE THAT ISSUE.
THE MOST COMPLEX ONE ACTUALLY IS TRAFFIC.
AT THE END OF THE STREET IS OF O COLONY ROAD IS A FACULTY AND STAFF PARKING LOT FOR, UM, THE, UH, EDGEMONT HIGH SCHOOL IN JUNIOR HIGH.
UM, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IN ITS INFINITE WISDOM IS PROPOSED IN THEIR BOND ISSUE, ACTUALLY CONNECTING THAT STREET TO ARTILLERY LANE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WHEN IT, THAT CONNECTION WOULD BE OPEN AND WOULDN'T, I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF THAT, BUT I STRONGLY SUGGEST THE COMMUNITY DISCUSS THAT.
UH, WITH THE, UM, WITH THE SCHOOL, THE SCHOOL BOARD, THE EDGEMONT SCHOOL BOARD, DISTRICT SCHOOL BOARD, UM, IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO MODIFY THAT BECAUSE, UM, I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE HAVING TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THEIR BOND ISSUE PROPOSAL AS A RESULT OF RISING COSTS.
SO MAYBE THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT MAYBE ELIMINATING THAT TO SAVE COSTS.
UM, 'CAUSE IT COULD INCREASE THE TRAFFIC.
CLEARLY THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC COMING DOWN THERE THOUGH IS STAFF AND FACULTY, BECAUSE ONLY STAFF AND FACULTY CAN PARK IN THAT LOT, EVEN IF THEY EXPAND IT, ONLY STAFF AND FACULTY CAN PARK IN THAT LOT.
AND THE STREET PARKING IS ONLY TWO HOURS.
SO, UM, IT REALLY IS AN ISSUE.
EVEN THAT ISSUE OF, OF THEM COMING DOWN THE HILL, SPEEDING IS AN ISSUE THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN UP WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UM, HAVING SAID THAT, HOWEVER, WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, UH, WITH, WITH, UH, SERGEANT REON AND WITH MR. CANNING, OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, AND GONE OVER ALL SORTS OF THINGS, INCLUDING A LOT OF SUGGESTIONS IN THE COMMUNITY OF WAYS OF SLOWING THE TRAFFIC DOWN AND MAKING IT SAFER FOR THE FOUR CURB CUTS.
UH, WE LOOKED AT STOP SIGNS, WE LOOKED AT, UH, SPEED BUMPS.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE LOOKED AT ALL SORTS OF THINGS AND THE CONCLUSION WAS, LET'S TRY TO SLOW THE TRAFFIC DOWN ON AVERAGE.
SO SERGEANT RESON IS PREPARING A RESOLUTION TO SLOW DOWN THE SPEED LIMIT, TO REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT TO 25 FROM 30, WHICH IS, I BELIEVE THE LOWEST YOU CAN GO, MR. KENNEDY.
AM I RIGHT IN, IN TERMS OF STATE LAW? YES, THAT'S RIGHT.
OKAY, SO IF WE COULD GO LOWER, WE'D CONSIDER IT, BUT WE CAN'T.
UH, IN ADDITION, AGAIN, THE DEVELOPER HAS STEPPED UP AND HAS AGREED TO PUT IN ONE OF THOSE SIGNS THAT TELLS YOU HOW FAST YOU'RE GOING RIGHT ABOVE THE RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF THEIR PROPERTY COMING FROM THE SOUTH.
UM, AGAIN, THAT THOSE SIGNS ARE EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE IN SLOWING PEOPLE DOWN.
MAYBE NOT SLOWING 'EM DOWN TO THE SPEED LIMIT, BUT I GUARANTEE THEY COME OFF THE GAS AND ONTO THE BRAKE WHEN THEY SEE A SIGN LIKE THAT IF THEY'RE GOING MUCH ABOVE THE SPEED LIMIT.
SO THAT SHOULD HELP SLOW IT, SLOW THAT DOWN.
ADDITIONALLY, IN TERMS OF SIGHT LINE THAT THEY'RE THERE, UH, CUTTING BACK, UH, A LOT OF VEGETATION THAT'S THERE.
NOW THE FINAL ISSUE ON TRAFFIC WAS DELIVERY TRUCKS.
AND THERE WERE, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION POTENTIALLY ABOUT HAVING SOME KIND OF TURNOUT FOR DELIVERY TRUCKS.
AND LORD KNOWS MR. CANNING AND SERGEANT RESON BOTH LOOKED AT IT IN GREAT DETAIL.
THE, THERE ARE TWO ISSUES WITH IT.
ONE, UM, THERE'S ONLY ONE LOGICAL PLACE TO PUT THAT, WHICH WOULD BE BETWEEN LOTS TWO AND THREE.
UM, AND HOW COULD YOU ENFORCE THAT, UH, GOING FORWARD? I MEAN, IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO LOT ONE AND MAKE A DELIVERY, ARE THEY GONNA REALLY GO DOWN A PUCK BETWEEN LOTS TWO AND THREE AND WALK BACK UP THE HILL A LITTLE BIT? I DON'T THINK SO, AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WILL EVER ENFORCE IT.
UM, THAT'S NUMBER, THAT'S REALLY AN ISSUE.
MORE IMPORTANT ISSUE IS IT ACTUALLY, IF THE TRUCKS ARE PULLED OFF IN THAT SPACE AND STAY THERE FOR ANY PERIOD OF TIME, YOU ACTUALLY REDUCE THE SIGHT LINE FOR, FOR, FOR THOSE DRIVEWAYS.
SO IT CREATES, ALTHOUGH THE IDEA IS A GOOD IDEA, THE OFFSET MITIGATE, UH, REALLY CANCELS
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OUT THE ADVANTAGES OF, OF IT BECAUSE OF THE SIGHT LINE.SO THAT'S WHY, AGAIN, AN IDEA.
I'M GLAD THE COMMUNITY BROUGHT IT UP AND BELIEVE ME, WE LOOKED AT THIS IN GREAT DETAIL TO SEE IF THERE WAS AN, A GOOD ALTERNATIVE AND THERE WASN'T ONE THING THAT IS BEING DONE.
HOWEVER, AGAIN, TO HELP MITIGATE, UH, THE ISSUE OF TRUCKS, NOT NECESSARILY DELIVERY TRUCKS, BUT TRUCKS, UH, PARKING, UH, IN THAT AREA, UM, IS RIGHT NOW THAT IS ABOUT THE ONLY PLACE THE FRONTAGE THERE IS ABOUT THE ONLY PLACE ON THAT SECTION OF THE ROAD THAT ALLOWS PARKING SOUTH AND NORTH OF THAT SECTION OF THE ROAD.
UH, SERGEANT RESON IS RECOMMENDING, UH, NOT ALLOWING PARKING IN FRONT OF THOSE LOTS, WHICH WILL WON'T ELIMINATE THE DELIVERY TRUCKS.
THEY'RE GONNA STOP FOR A MINUTE, RUN, RUN, DROP THE PACKAGES OFF AND GET BACK IN.
IT WILL STOP PICTURES LIKE THE ONE WE GOT FROM ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS, WHICH IS A GARDENER PARKING ACROSS THE STREET FOR SEVERAL HOURS.
THAT CAN'T HAPPEN ANYMORE BECAUSE THAT CAR, THAT TRUCK WILL GET TICKETED.
SO WE ARE AT LEAST REDUCING THAT.
SO IN THAT, I THINK, AGAIN, AS TONG, I THINK PUT IT VERY WELL, IT IS A BALANCE.
WE HAVE TO BALANCE THE RIGHTS OF THE LANDOWNER AND AGAINST THE RIGHTS OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK THIS ONE, IT TOOK A LONG TIME, IT'S BEEN VERY PAINFUL TO GET THERE, AND A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT WENT IN BY A LOT OF PEOPLE, INCLUDING THE COMMUNITY'S INPUT, WHICH I REALLY APPRECIATE.
I WISH MORE COMMUNITIES WOULD COME OUT AND TALK TO US THE WAY THIS COMMUNITY DID.
IT ACTUALLY VERY HELPFUL FOR US.
UM, BUT ON BALANCE, I THINK WE'VE STRUCK A GOOD BALANCE HERE, WHICH IS WHY TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA BE ENTERTAINING A RECOMMENDATION, I'M SORRY, A POSITIVE, UH, AND APPROVING RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO TO A VOTE ON THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION? AARON? YES.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING ATTENTION, UH, YOUR, TO YOUR ATTENTION.
ONE CHANGE IN THE DRAFT DECISION, UH, BASED ON FEEDBACK WITH THE APPLICANT AND, UH, WITH DAVID FRIED AND MYSELF, CONDITION 6.6 ON PAGE 11 HAS BEEN SLIGHTLY MODIFIED.
UH, IT NOW READS IN DRAFT FORM, THE APPLICANT HAS OFFERED TO FUND THE PURCHASING OF A DIGITAL SPEED DISPLAY SIGN, ITEM NUMBER TC 600 A AS PER A QUOTE FROM TRAFFIC SYSTEMS INCORPORATED DATED 3 30 22 IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $2,500 PAYMENT SHALL BE PROVIDED PRIOR TO ANY BUILDING PERMIT BEING ISSUED FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES.
THE UNIT WILL BE PLACED ALONG OLD COLONY ROAD IN A LOCATION DETERMINED BY THE GREENBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT TRAFFIC AND SAFETY UNIT.
AND PRELIMINARILY THAT LOCATION HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AT THE SOUTH END OF THE SITE, AT THE TOP OF THE SLOPE BEFORE YOU'RE GOING DOWNHILL TOWARDS THESE LOTS THAT'S NOT IN THERE,
THE ONE THING I DID ALS, THERE ARE TWO OTHER THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION.
IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THESE, LI THIS PARTICULAR AREA WHERE THE CURB CUTS ARE GOING IN TERMS OF SIGHT LINE, IT'S A DIP IN THE ROAD.
SO THEY'RE BEING APPROACHED FROM ABOVE, BOTH FROM THE SOUTH AND BOTH AND THE NORTH, WHICH IS A HUGE ADVANTAGE FROM A SITE LINE.
I DID WANT JUST BRIEFLY ADDRESS, SO DAVE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS OUR ATTEMPTS TO TALK TO, TO METRO NORTH JUST VERY BRIEFLY, PLEASE? YES.
UH, YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME, UH, UH, COMMENT FROM, UH, THE NEIGHBORS THAT WHEN BEFORE WE, UH, SET THIS UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING, I HAD SENT OUT A NOTE ASKING FOR UPDATES FROM METRO NORTH BECAUSE A NUMBER OF YEARS BACK IN 2000, UH, THERE WAS SOME COMMENT, UH, FROM METRO NORTH AND THEY, UH, EX EXPRESSED, UH, A CONCERN ABOUT FLOODING ON THE SITE.
OF COURSE, UH, AS, UH, WAS MENTIONED ABOVE, THERE HAS BEEN SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THE DESIGN.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY IS THAT METRON NORTH, WHILE THEY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT AND WITH THEIR ENGINEERS, HAS NEVER SUBMITTED ANYTHING ON, INTO THE RECORD OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND WE HAVE CONTACT THEM MULTIPLE TIMES.
WE NOTICED NOTIFIED THEM OF ALL THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WE GAVE THEM THE, UH, ZOOM LINK FOR THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING, AND WE NEVER GOT ANY, UH, UH, SUBSTANTIVE REQUEST OR, OR SUBSTANTIVE COMMENT WITH EXPRESSING ANY CONCERN ABOUT THE FLOODING.
SO THERE'S REALLY NOTHING ON THE RECORD FROM METRO
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NORTH ABOUT THE CURRENT PLANS THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED BY THIS BOARD.UM, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY.
MR. SIMON, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UH, FROM, UH, UM, AUS REALLY ON PAGE FIVE, IT INDICATES THAT, UM, TREES THAT DO NOT UNREGULATED TREES THAT ARE THERE NOW ARE FOREVER BE UNREGULATED.
SO I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT, UH, UH, IF A TREE IS ONLY TWO INCHES CALIBER, THEN NORMALLY IT'S NOT REGULATED.
BUT, BUT THIS SAYS THAT THAT TREE IS FOREVER REGULATED.
OKAY, SO WHAT THAT, THAT YOU SAID ON PAGE FIVE, CORRECT? YEAH, PAGE FIVE, ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE WAY DOWN.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING.
SO THAT WAS, UM, RELATED TO A RECOMMENDATION.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL.
UM, BUT BEING THAT THAT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE CODE, UH, FOR THE TOWN, THAT WAS NOT AN ACTUAL CONDITION.
IT'S NOT LISTED AS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL BECAUSE IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE CODE.
SO IT'S MENTIONED THAT THE C A C RECOMMENDED THAT, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS OF THE DECISION, IT IS NOT ONE OF THEM.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE, UH, TAKE A VOTE? OKAY.
THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION FOR THE ZKO OLD COLONY ROAD, UH, PROJECT AS AMENDED.
MR. SIMON, CAN I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? SECOND MR. HAYES.
ALL OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY.
PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PASSES.
I WILL NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
CAN I HAVE THE MOTION? MR. HAY? CAN I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? SECOND.
MONA JUST BEAT WALTER BY HAIR.
ALL OPPOSED? JOHAN, DID YOU VOTE? I DIDN'T SEE YOUR I SAID YEAH.
AYE, I MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE DELAY ON MY END.
ALL OPPOSED? AND MR. LIT? UH, LIPTON KO, PLEASE SHUT OFF YOUR, YOUR MIC.
UM, ALL OPPOSED? NO ABSTENTIONS, NONE.
I WILL NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT.
ALL ALL OPPOSED? NOBODY ABSTENTIONS.
THE WETLAND WATERCOURSE PASSES AND WE ARE DONE FOR THIS, FOR THIS EVENING.
UH, WE WILL SEE THEM AT THE TIME OF THE FINAL SUBDIVISION.
I GUESS IT'S THE NEXT TIME WE'LL SEE THEM.
NOW, UM, IS GARRETT WITH US? LET'S SEE.
BET YOU THOUGHT WE WOULDN'T BE DONE.
UM, THE NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS, UH, TOWN BOARD CASE 2203, WHICH IS CHAPTER 2 85, WHICH IS THE, UM, DESIGN SHOPPING, UH, DISTRICT CHANGES.
UM, WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO, GARRETT HAS BEEN TRYING TO DO SINCE HE'S BEEN PLANNING COMMISSIONER AND DONE A GREAT JOB OF IT, IS UPDATING THE ZONING TO GIVE US MORE FLEXIBILITY SO THAT WE CAN FILL ALL THOSE EMPTY SPACES IN A SMART WAY.
WE HAVE, WE STILL HAVE WORK TO DO.
I THINK GARRETT IN THAT, THAT REGARD LOTS.
BUT EVERY TIME WE DO THIS, IT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
IT'S HARD TO DO ALL AT ONCE, AND SO WE HAVE TO TAKE IT PIECE BY PIECE.
SO THIS ONE ACTUALLY GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY, A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY THAN THE DESIGN FLEXIBILITY IN THE DESIGN SHOPPING DISTRICT.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.
UM, THERE WERE COMMENTS ABOUT CABARETS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY MR. SIMON ABOUT THE TIME THAT THE, UH, ALTHOUGH PER THOUGH, AS MS. PRIZER, THANK YOU ELLA IT OUT TO ME IMMEDIATELY AFTER A PLANNING BOARD MEETING
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THAT CABARETS WERE IN FACT OKAY, ALLOWED IN THIS DISTRICT.THE, THE, UH, CRITERIA FOR CABARETS WAS REALLY REQUIRED A THREE ACRE LOT FOR A CABARET IN THIS DISTRICT.
AND THAT WAS, I THINK WE ALL CONSIDERED RESTRICTIVE.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION AND WHAT IS IN THE, UH, THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION FOR TONIGHT, IT WAS JUST AMENDED A LITTLE BIT FROM WHAT'S IN YOUR PACKET, WAS TO REMOVE THE RESTRICTION OF 120,000, UH, UH, SQUARE FEET AND REPLACE THE LANGUAGE IN THAT SECTION.
OUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD IS TO REPLACE THE LANGUAGE IN THAT SECTION TO MAKE IT MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE LANGUAGE WE USE FOR SPECIAL PERMIT OF CABARETS ON CENTRAL AND THE CA DISTRICT, CENTRAL AVENUE.
UM, THE ONE PROVISO THERE THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE IS THEM THINK ABOUT WHAT, HOW YOU HANDLE THE NOISE ISSUE.
UH, BECAUSE EITHER YOU CAN DO THAT BY SEPARATION FROM A RESIDENTIAL, UH, DISTRICT OR BY SOME KIND OF, UH, NOISE ORDINANCE.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE THE NOISE ORDINANCE OR ORDINANCE ANYWAY, THAT IT CAN'T BE SO MUCH OUTSIDE THAT.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, THAT, UH, WAS PUT FORTH BY MR. KANE AND, UH, IN OUR PACKETS? QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? OKAY.
WE NEED TWO VOTES ON THIS, AARON.
THERE ARE, THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION AND TWO SEPARATE REPORTS.
ONE REPORT ON THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS, AND ONE, THE OTHER ONE ON THE ZONING.
SO WHY DON'T WE, UH, VOTE ON THE RECOMMENDATION TWO, WHICH IS A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION AS AMENDED AS I DISCUSSED, AND PUT IT IN THE LANGUAGE ABOUT REPLACING THE, UH, THE LANGUAGE WITH SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE CA.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THAT RECOMMENDATION AS AMENDED? NO.
MR. HAY? DO I HAVE A SECOND? MR. SNAGS, I THINK WAS THE SECOND.
COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ZONING, UH, TAX REPORT? SO, MOVE MR. SIMON? MR. UH, MR. I THINK MR. DESAI RAISE HIS HAND AS A SECOND.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE SCRATCHING YOUR HEAD, BUT I'LL TAKE IT AS A SECOND.
UH, THIRD, TO APPROVE THE REPORT ON THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT.
THAT PASSES AND WE'LL SEND IT BACK TO THE TOWN BOARDER.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT IF THIS LOCAL LAW IS APPROVED, UM, WE DO TRACK NEW USES THAT COME IN THAT OTHERWISE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ENABLED.
SO WE'LL KEEP YOU APPRISED ON THAT, MAYBE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
BUT, UM, WE HAVE A RUNNING LIST OF OTHER CHANGES THAT THE PLANNING BOARD'S BEEN INVOLVED IN, SUCH AS ADDING THE DAYCARE TO THE CENTRAL AVENUE DISTRICT, ADDING CAR DEALERSHIPS TO THE C I DISTRICT.
WE HAVE A RUNNING LIST OF ALL THE USES THAT HAVE BEEN ENABLED BY THAT.
AND, UM, I THINK WHAT WE SEE IS, UH, VACANCIES MINIMIZED AND REALLY NO APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE COME IN WHERE WE SAY TO OURSELVES, WOW, THIS, YOU KNOW, IS A LAW.
SO THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND I APPRECIATE IT.
YEAH, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA TAKE US TO A CABARET
BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY, HE MENTIONED, THANK YOU.
HE MENTIONS THE DEALERSHIP THING.
I REMEMBER TALKING TO GARRETT WHEN THERE WAS A CERTAIN DEALERSHIP THAT ENDED UP RIGHT OVER THE BORDER ON WHITE PLAINS, AND GARRETT WAS SO FRUSTRATED BY THAT.
'CAUSE WE HADN'T CHANGED THE LAW OF CA.
DO YOU REMEMBER THAT, GARRETT? YEAH.
IT, IT SHOULD HAVE ENDED UP IN GREENBURG.
IT COULD HAVE ENDED UP IN GREENBURG, BUT IT ENDED UP RIGHT OVER THE BORDER OF WHITE PLAINS BEFORE WE ACTUALLY CHANGED THE, THE DEALERSHIP LAW.
SO THAT WHEN WE DO THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED REGENERON BECAUSE A, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY LIKES TO MALIGN WITH THE EIGHT YEARS THAT WAS SPENT ON THE COMP PLAN COMMITTEE.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY DID SOME PRETTY GOOD WORK WHEN THEY FOCUSED ON R D ON R D AND, AND, UH, FACILITIES AND GIVING, GIVING BENEFITS TO R AND D FACILITIES.
AND NOW THAT'S GONNA PAY DIVIDENDS FOR OUR LIFETIME FOR SURE.
IN RE REGENERON, NOT TO MENTION WHAT REGENERON ISS DOING, BUT FOR, FOR HEALTH IN THIS COUNTRY.
SO DOES THAT MEAN WE'RE NOT GOING TO A CABARET
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WE COMING, WE HAVEN'T OPENED IT ONE YET.
WE HAVEN'T, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE ONE YET.
I, I'M JUST CONCENTRATING ON THE CABARET FOR A HOLIDAY PARTY, MONA.
WE'LL, THANK YOU FOR BEING VERY PRODUCTIVE AND PRODUCTIVE ON THAT.
UM, IS BARBARA HERE SO WE CAN GO? THERE YOU ARE.
SHE'S HIDING ON THE SIDE OF THE SIDE OF MY SCREEN TONIGHT.
I THINK WE'RE READY TO GO ON A PUBLIC HEARING NEXT, DARREN? YES.
UM, SO TELL ME WHEN YOU'RE READY, BARBARA.
WE READY TO GO IN A PUBLIC HEARING? YES.
UM, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF TONIGHT'S PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
UM, WE'RE GONNA HEAR ONE CASE THIS EVENING, WHICH IS CASE, UH, P B 2204 CLEARWOOD VILLAGE CONDOMINIUMS 6 24 POND LANE, PO BOX HASTINGS ON HUDSON.
THEY'RE HERE FOR A PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, WET LIT AND WATERCOURSE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
AARON, DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT? YES.
SO AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ INDICATED CASE NUMBER PV 2204 CLEARWOOD VILLAGE
UH, YOU KNOW WHAT? AND DAVE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN ME.
I WANT YOU TO CALL THE ROLE FIRST BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING.
NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT OUR ALTERNATE MS. DAVIS IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
THANK YOU FOR, UH, KNOWING THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO CALL ROLL.
SO, UH, CASE NUMBER PB 22 DASH ZERO FOUR CLEARWOOD VILLAGE CONDOMINIUMS FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT SIX THROUGH 24 POND LANE PO HASTINGS ON HUDSON IN THE P U D PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT, THE APPLICANT SEEKS PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPOSED STABILIZATION OF STEEP SLOPE AREAS AND THE ADDITION OF WETLAND MITIGATION PLANTINGS.
THE PROJECT AREA FEATURES REGULATED STEEP SLOPES LEADING DOWN TO AN ONSITE POND, WHICH HAVE BECOME ERODED OVER TIME.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO REMEDIATE THIS ISSUE BY REMOVING AND REPLACING CERTAIN PATIOS AND DECKS, REGRADING THE EXISTING ERODED SLOPED AREA, INSTALLING NEW WETLAND MITIGATION PLANTINGS, AND INSTALLING NEW STORM DRAINAGE SYSTEMS FOR TWO CLUSTERS OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES APPROXIMATELY 2,120 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO 15 TO 25% SLOPES KNOWN AS STEEP SLOPES, APPROXIMATELY 935 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO 25 TO 35% SLOPES DEFINED AS VERY STEEP SLOPES AND APPROXIMATELY 4,425 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO 35% AND GREATER SLOPES DEFINED AS EXCESSIVELY STEEP SLOPES.
THE APPLICANT REQUIRES APPROXIMATELY 25 CUBIC YARDS OF EXCAVATION AND APPROXIMATELY 286 CUBIC YARDS OF IMPORTED FILL TO CARRY OUT THE PROJECT REQUIRING A FILL PERMIT FROM THE TOWN'S BUREAU OF ENGINEERING.
FURTHER, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DISTURB APPROXIMATELY 4,500 SQUARE FEET OF THE WETLAND WATER COURSE BUFFER AREA ON THE SITE, WHICH CONSISTS OF 118,968 SQUARE FEET.
NO DIRECT DISTURBANCE TO THE WETLAND AND OR WATERCOURSE IS PROPOSED.
THE APPLICANT DOES PROPOSE THE REMOVAL OF SIX REGULATED TREES REQUIRING A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, AND IS PREPARED A LANDSCAPING PLAN PROVIDING FOR THE PLANTING OF SIX TREES AND 68 SHRUBS AS REPLACEMENT, WHICH IS UNDER REVIEW BY THE TOWN'S FORESTRY OFFICER.
I DO BELIEVE IT DOES MEET CODE, UH, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES OR PRESENT THIS EVENING OR FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. LOMBARDI.
I'M A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER WITH J M C, UM,
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HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF CLEARWOOD VILLAGE AND CLEARWOOD HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.ALSO ATTENDING TONIGHT IS MICHAEL KO, WHO IS ONE OF THE CLAIR WARD BOARD MEMBERS.
WE'RE HERE SEEKING A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, AND A WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT FOR THE CLAIR WOOD SLOPE REHABILITATION PROJECT.
AND I'D LIKE TO SHARE MY SCREEN NOW.
YES, WE'VE ENABLED THAT THIS, THE SITE IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF JACKSON AVENUE, JUST WEST OF SPRING ROAD, AND THE SLOPE IS BEHIND THE TWO BUILDINGS ON THE EAST SIDE OF POND LANE.
AS YOU CAN SEE FROM SOME OF THESE PICTURES, UM, THE SLOPE IS ERODING AND ONE OF THE MAIN CAUSES, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THESE RED CIRCLES, IS THAT THE STORM DRAINS FROM THE ROOF DRAIN LEADERS ARE DISCHARGING AT THE TOP OF THE SLOPE, THUS CAUSING THE EROSION GOING DOWN THE HILL.
YOU CAN SEE HERE HOW IT FALLS OFF RIGHT PAST HERE, AND IT'S USED TO BE LEVEL ALONG THE BACKS OF THESE DECKS AND PATIOS, AND THERE'S SOME REMNANTS OF SOME WALLS HERE.
THE OTHER REASON, UM, WE'RE DOING THIS PROJECT IS TO GET ACCESS AROUND THE BACKS OF THE UNITS.
WHEN AN HVAC UNIT BEHIND ONE OF THESE UNITS NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, THE OLD UNIT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED AND THE NEW UNIT NEEDS TO BE PUT INTO ITS PLACE.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THE DECKS AND PATIOS SHOWN ON THIS PLAN HERE.
AND WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO REPLACE THE STORM DRAINAGE FROM ALL THE ROOF DRAIN LEADERS FOR BOTH BUILDINGS, UH, THE EXISTING PIPES OR THE CO BLACK COIL PIPES, WHICH CRUSH AND, UH, EASILY GET CLOTHED.
WE ARE PROPOSING TO REPLACE THEM WITH SMOOTH WALL HARD P V C OR H D P E PIPE AS PART OF THE, UH, SLOPE REHABILITATION.
WE'RE PROPOSING SIX TREES HERE, WHICH WAS SHOWN IN DARK GREEN.
THE SHRUBS, WHICH ARE ALONG THE TOP OF THE SLOPE HERE, AND A STEEP SLOPE MIX, WHICH IS THIS BLUISH COLOR THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE HERE.
THIS IS THE MAKEUP OF THE NATIVE STEEP SLOPE MIX THAT WILL BE APPLIED TO THE SLOPE.
AND BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET A WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT, UM, WE TOOK THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS ANOTHER PROBLEM AT, AT THE SITE.
AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THESE PICTURES, ALL THESE INVASIVE VINES ARE TAKING OVER THE PERIMETER OF THE POND AND TAKING OVER THE TREES.
SO WE'VE PREPARED THIS WETLANDS MITIGATION PLAN, AND THIS HATCHED AREA IS THE AREA WHERE THE INVASIVE VINES WILL BE REMOVED.
THE INVASIVE VINES WILL BE CUT IN THE FALL AND THE END CUTS WILL BE TREATED WITH A D E C APPROVED HERBICIDE BY A NEW YORK STATE D E C LICENSE APPLICATOR.
THE FOLLOWING SPRING AFTER THE FIRST CUT, AERIAL WILL BE INSPECTED AND ANOTHER TREATMENT WILL BE NECESSARY.
AND EVERY FALL FOR THREE YEARS FOLLOWING THE FIRST TREATMENT AERIAL BE INSPECTED AND TREATED AS REQUIRED.
NO SOIL DISTURBANCE IS PROPOSED IN THIS AREA, AND ANY PLANT MATERIAL WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE SITE AND DISPOSED OF LEGALLY.
AND NOW I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD OF THE PUBLIC MAY HAVE.
DAVE, DID YOU, I'M SORRY, DID YOU GO THROUGH THE WHERE THE TREE REMOVALS ARE AND WHERE THE NEW TREES AND LANDSCAPING ARE GOING IN? SURE.
SO YOU CAN SEE HERE ARE THE TREES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED.
ONE TREE IS IN THE WETLAND BUFFER, THE OTHER ONES ARE JUST OUTSIDE THE BUFFER HERE.
AND THAT'S IN CONNECTION WITH GRADING REGRADING.
AND THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, AS I SAID EARLIER, THESE DARK GREEN ARE THE SIX NEW TREES, WHICH WILL BE ACID, RUM, QUAS, AND ESIS.
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THAT'S A MIX OF, UM, THE RED MAPLE, WHICH IS A MEDIUM SIZED GROWING TREE, A PIN OAK, WHICH IS A SLIGHTLY LARGER GROWING SIZE TREE.AND THEN THE, UH, SERVICE BERRY, WHICH IS KIND OF A FLOWERING TREE AND A, A GOOD, ALL GOOD NATIVES.
UM, HE MENTIONED USING SOME PESTICIDES.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, ANY OF THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE, UM, PETS, EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE OKAY FOR THE PETS THAT ARE AROUND THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POLICIES ARE FOR PETS ON THE PROPERTY, WHETHER PETS ARE ALLOWED TO RUN LOOSE ON THE PROPERTY OR IF THEY NEED TO BE LEASHED.
I KNOW, BUT EVEN IF THEY'RE LEASHED, IF YOU ARE USING PESTICIDES, WILL THE PETS BE ALL RIGHT? AND, UH, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
PESTICIDES THAT ARE GONNA BE USED
UM, I HAVE A FOLLOW UP TO THAT.
I LIVE IN A DEVELOPMENT AND THERE'S NOTIFICATION GIVEN IN THE FORM OF AN EMAIL AND THEN LITTLE PLACARDS PUT IN THE GRASS THAT SAYS, UM, YOU KNOW, PESTICIDES HAVE, HAVE BEEN APPLIED OR ARE BEING APPLIED ON SUCH AND SUCH A DAY, PLEASE, YOU KNOW, KEEP CLEAR FOR 24 HOURS, THAT MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, NO HARM IS GONNA COME TO ANY PETS ON THE PREMISES.
DO WE HAVE TO ANY TOWN REGULATIONS ON OR DAVE ON, ON BUS OF PESTICIDES? YES.
IN THE WETLANDS AND WATERCOURSE BUFFER AREAS? WE ABSOLUTELY DO.
UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THEY HAVE TO BE USED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE, UM, THE LABEL INSTRUCTIONS.
AND THERE ARE, UM, I FORGET, UH, THERE ARE LABEL INSTRUCTIONS, BUT IT'S CALLED THE, IT'S, UM, OKAY.
THE MAJORITY OF THIS IS WITHIN THE WETLANDS WATERCOURSE AREA.
THE MAJORITY OF WHERE THEY WOULD BE REPLANTING THESE THINGS, I WOULD THINK LOOKING AT THE PROXIMITY OF THE POND TO THOSE TREES.
AM I RIGHT, AARON? YOU CAN SHOW THE BUFFER, RIGHT? YOU'VE GOT A OR SOMETHING.
THERE'S A HATCH LINE WITH THE BUFFER.
SO A LOT OF THOSE TREES ARE ACTUALLY WITHIN THE, WITHIN THE BUFFER.
WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, UH, AND SEE, SEE IF YOU AGREE WITH THIS, UM, THAT, UH, WE CONSIDER IS THE C A C C THIS YES, THEY HAVE.
WHAT ARE THEY, WHAT DO THEY SAY? THEY'VE ISSUED A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION WITH CONDITIONS.
UM, AND WHAT WE DO, WHAT WE DO IN OUR REPORT TO THE C A C, IS WE OUTLINE CERTAIN RECOMMENDATIONS THAT STAFF BELIEVES SHOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO ANY DECISION.
WITH RESPECT TO CHEMICAL APPLICATIONS THAT THEY BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF CHAPTER TWO 80 AND THE LABEL INSTRUCTIONS.
WELL, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I, ONE THING IF YOU WANTED TO BE CONSERVATIVE ABOUT IT, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY GONNA AFFECT, UH, THE DEVELOP THE, THE DEVELOPER HERE, UH, THE APPLICANT HERE IS IF, UM, WHATEVER, I ASSUME THE REGULATIONS ARE TOUGHER IN A WETLAND WATERCOURSE AREA.
AND I, WHAT, WHAT I WOULD DO IS EXTEND THEM FOR THIS ENTIRE PROJECT AS A RECOMME.
THAT'S ONE THING WE COULD DO DO IN, IN OUR APPROVAL, I WOULD THINK.
I DON'T, CAN WE ADDITIONALLY ASK THAT THE, UM, NEIGHBORS BE NOTIFIED, YOU KNOW, IN ADVANCE IT'S BEING DONE AND YOU KNOW THAT THESE, UM, NOTICES BE STAKED OUT FOR ANY, YOU KNOW, ANYONE WITH PETS.
THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S UNREASONABLE.
FIRST OF ALL, MONA, DO ME A FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND BECAUSE I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TALKING ALL OVER EACH OTHER.
I THOUGHT I WAS STILL ON MY TURN.
UM, ANYWAY, I NEED TO EXPLAIN TO TOM, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEANT.
TOM, WITHIN THE, THE, THEY ARE ALREADY THERE.
A BUNCH OF THE WORK THEY'RE DOING IS WITHIN THE WETLAND WATERCOURSE AREA.
SO THEY, THEY'RE SUBJECT TO MORE STRINGENT REGULATIONS IN THAT AREA THAN THEY WOULD BE OUTSIDE.
WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS, GIVEN THE PROXIMITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND THE CONCERNS, WHY NOT EXTEND THOSE SAME REGULATIONS TO THE ENTIRE PROJECT? THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I WAS SUGGESTING.
AND MONA'S SUGGESTION OF MAKING SURE THAT THE PROPER NOTICE, UH, IS GIVEN IS OBVIOUSLY VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE NEED TO INCLUDE.
AND THE RECOMMENDATION, I DON'T KNOW WHO IS FIRST CORRECT THEN WALTER, I'LL DO IT
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THAT WAY.MY QUESTION IS REGARDING THE, UH, THE BUILDING, THE DECK, SAME PLACE, SAME SIZE, AND HOW THEY ARE SOLVING THE PROBLEM OF EXCESS OF MAINTENANCE TO THE, UH, EQUIP THE, UH, THE AIR CONDITIONING EQUIPMENTS.
DAVID? YEAH, I'M ZOOMING IN ON HERE.
UM, SOME OF THE EXISTING PATIOS WERE OVER 20 FEET DEEP.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS, THE CLEARWOOD BOARD, UM, THEY SAID THAT ANY NEW DECK OR PATIO COULD NOT EXCEED 15 FEET IN DEPTH.
SO THIS LINE ALONG THE BACK HERE IS A FIVE FOOT, RELATIVELY FLAT AREA, WHICH IS HOW ACCESS WOULD GET TO BEHIND ALL THESE UNITS TO GET TO THE HVAC UNITS.
THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? CORRECT.
I BELIEVE THEY SAID LAST TIME THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE PERMEABLE PAVERS ALSO.
THAT IS ANOTHER STANDARD THAT THE CLEARWOOD BOARD CAME.
ANY NEW PATIO WOULD NEED TO BE PERMEABLE.
UM, THE NOTIFICATION THAT'S PART OF THE STATE E P A REGULATIONS THAT YOU HAVE TO PUT THE SIGNS OUT.
SO THAT COMES WITH THE TERRITORY.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT DO IS, UH, YOU KNOW, LEAVE THE SIGNS UP MORE LONGER THAN 24 HOURS, SAY, UH, SO TO NOTIFY DOG OWNERS.
BUT THAT'S A REQUIREMENT TO PUT DOWN THOSE SIGNS.
EVEN WHEN YOU USE ORGANIC PESTICIDES, YOU STILL HAVE TO PUT DOWN THOSE SIGNS.
SO THAT COULD BE A REGULATION TO KEEP THE SIGNS UP LONGER THAN 24 HOURS.
UH, THE OTHER POINT THAT I'M NOT SURE IF I HEARD THE APPLICANT CORRECTLY AT THE BEGINNING, HE SAID PART OF THAT EROSION WAS CAUSED BY, UH, THE, UM, THE, THE, THE DRAINAGE, UH, PIPES FROM THE, THE BUILDINGS.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHY NOT JUST EXTEND THOSE PIPES INTO THE RETENTION PART? IF WE ARE, WE'RE GONNA EXTEND THE PIPES TO THE BASE OF THE SLOPE.
THERE'S A SWALE THAT TRAVERSES BACK HERE THAT LEADS TO THE POND.
SO THOSE DON'T, IT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE CONDITION NOW THOUGH.
SO THAT WILL PREVENT EROSION IN THE FUTURE.
SO I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, MR. SIMON, BECAUSE, UM, THE APPLICANT HAD COORDINATED THAT WITH THE, WITH THE TOWN AND TOWN STAFF.
AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S NO DIRECT DISCHARGE INTO A WETLAND OR WATERCOURSE ALSO.
SO THAT'S NOT PERMITTED BY THE CODE.
SO PUTTING THE PIPES IN, BRINGING THE DISCHARGE POINT TO THE BASE OF THE SLOPE AND THEN THROUGH A VEGETATED SWALE BEFORE POTENTIALLY ENTERING INTO THE POND IS AN ACCEPTABLE PRACTICE.
SO, UH, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS COORDINATED.
THE LAST THING I JUST WANTED TO MENTION WAS THAT, UM, WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO BEFORE WERE THE SAFETY DATA SHEETS, WHICH ARE PROVIDED WITH PESTICIDE, HERBICIDE AND OTHER, UH, MATERIAL, MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEETS.
SO THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION WAS THAT, UM, IN THE CODE, BECAUSE THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, WHAT THEIR PERMISSIONS OR RESTRICTIONS ARE WITH RESPECT TO APPLICATIONS IN THE BUFFER.
AND THE CODE DOES ST ALLOW FOR DIRECT APPLICATION OF SELECTIVE HERBICIDES, PESTICIDES, OR FERTILIZERS IN WETLAND, WATERCOURSE BUFFER AREAS WHERE SUCH APPLICATION IS PERFORMED BY HAND IN ACCORDANCE WITH MANUFACTURERS RECOMMENDATIONS AND ACCEPTED HORTICULTURAL PRACTICES.
FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONTROLLING INVASIVE VEGETATION AND SUPPORTING NATIVE PLANT GROWTH, SUCH APPLICATION MUST BE PERFORMED IN A MANNER WHICH WOULD NOT NEGATIVE, NEGATIVELY IMPACT UNINTENDED VEGETATION, WETLANDS, WATERCOURSE, OR SOILS.
SO THAT'S STRAIGHT FROM THE CODE.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD, UH, THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK BEFORE? UH, I OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC? NO.
AARON, IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO SPEAK? SO WE WOULD ASK MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO RAISE THEIR HAND.
I KNOW MR. BODEN HAD BEEN ON AND EARLIER EXPRESSED AN INTEREST TO SPEAK.
I DON'T SEE HIM AT THE MOMENT.
MR. LOMBARDI, CAN YOU TAKE DOWN THE SHARE SCREEN?
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WE CAN'T SEE EVERYBODY OTHERWISE.AND THEN, UM, MR. BODEN, YOU'RE OKAY? OKAY.
AND THEN THERE WAS THE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT HAD COMMUNICATED WITH MR. BRITTON.
MATT, CAN YOU CALL THAT INDIVIDUAL'S NAME JUST TO SEE IF THEY'RE INTERESTED? SURE.
UH, DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? UH, NO.
NO ONE ELSE FROM THE, THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SPEAK.
UM, IN THAT CASE, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
KEEP THE RECORD OPEN TO WHAT DATE ON, UH, BEING THAT WE HAVE AN EXTRA WEEK BETWEEN MEETINGS, UH, STAFF WOULD SUGGEST JUNE 29TH.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL JUNE 29TH.
DO I HAVE THAT MOTION, MR. SIMON? DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND.
AND WE ARE NOW I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF TONIGHT'S, UH, MEETING.
MR. DESAI, MR. HAYES, SECONDS.
A LITTLE LATE, BUT WE'LL TAKE IT ON IT.
YOU CAN, YOU KNOW,
UH, THAT CLOSES THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THANK YOU, BARBARA, FOR YOUR HELP THIS EVENING, AND WE WILL SEE YOU SOON.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK INTO, UH, PUBLIC, I'M SORRY, INTO WORK SESSION NOW, UM, WITH NEW BUSINESS WE'VE GOT, WE'RE GONNA DO A NEW BUSINESS AND THEN WE HAVE ONE OLD BUSINESS NEAR THE END.
I'D LIKE TO LIMIT THE DISCUSSION ON THIS, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING WELL ON OUR SCHEDULE TONIGHT.
I'D LIKE TO LIMIT WITH THE DISCUSSION ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT ABOUT NO MORE THAN AN HOUR TONIGHT.
I THINK THERE ARE GONNA BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, UH, THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED, PROBABLY THAT WE'RE GONNA ASK THEM TO COME BACK WITH ANSWERS TOO.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO FIRST IS, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S MID, IT'S, UH, CASE TOWN BOARD 2116, PLANNING BOARD 2131 MIDWAY SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH IS NINE 13 TO 9 99 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE, PO BOX, SCARSDALE, NEW YORK.
IT'S FOR AMEND SITE PLAN, WHICH IS A REFERRAL FROM THE TOWN BOARD OF WHICH WE NEED TO DO A RECOMMENDATION AS WELL AS SPECIAL PERMITS FOR, UH, RESTAURANT AND QUICK SERVICE, WHICH IS, UH, JURISDICTION OF THE PLANNING BOARD AS WELL AS THE SHARED PARKING REDUCTION, WHICH IS ALSO THE JURISDICTION OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, AARON, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT TO DESCRIBE THE PROJECT? UM, UH, YEAH, I WILL JUST ADD THAT, UH, THOSE APPROVALS HAVE BEEN REQUESTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROPOSED CONVERSION OF RETAIL SPACE TO RESTAURANT SPACE CONSTRUCTION OF AN EXPANDED OUTDOOR DINING AREA AND THE RECONFIGURATION OF AN EXISTING PARKING LOT AREA.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONVERT 2,900 SQUARE FEET OF EXISTING RETAIL SPACE TO RESTAURANT SPACE IN AN EXISTING OUTBUILDING.
HE ALSO PROPOSE TO CONVERT 5,300 SQUARE FEET OF EXISTING RETAIL SPACE TO QUICK SERVICE SLASH FAST FOOD SPACE.
AND THEY PROPOSED TO ADD AN APPROXIMATELY 3,300 SQUARE FOOT OUTDOOR SEATING AREA AROUND AN EXISTING OUTBUILDING.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO MODIFY THE PARKING LAYOUT TO FACILITATE CURBSIDE PICKUP SPOTS AND TO CREATE SPACE FOR THE PROPOSED OUTDOOR SEATING AREA.
THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION OF 197 SPACES FROM 1,308 REQUIRED TO 1,111 PROPOSED ASSOCIATED WITH THE CHANGE IN USE AND PARKING LOT MODIFICATIONS AS LAID OUT.
UH, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING IN FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.
WE ALSO HAVE MR. JOHN CANNING HERE ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN AS TRAFFIC CONSULTANT FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, WHO FOR THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO BE PRESENTING TO THE PLAN TONIGHT.
UH, GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN, THIS IS DANIEL PATRICK FROM THE LAW FIRM, CUT AND FADER.
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OUR TEAM AND, YOU KNOW, BRIEFLY SET THE STAGE, BUT I THINK YOU AND MR. SCHMIDT HAVE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB OF INTRODUCING A LOT OF WHY WE'RE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.SO, UM, OUR TEAM THIS EVENING IS MR. BILL NULL, ALSO FROM CUT AND FADER.
WE'RE ALSO JOINED BY JOE ALLEGRETTI AND WING BIDDLE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
WE'RE ALSO JOINED BY A FEW MEMBERS OF THE DESIGN TEAM FROM J M C ELLO, JUAN YPE, AND MARK PETRO.
SO, AS INDICATED, WE'RE HERE FOR THREE APPLICATIONS THIS EVENING.
WE ARE HERE ON REFERRAL FROM TOM BOARD FOR AMENDED SITE PLAN.
UM, UNLIKE PROPOSALS A FEW YEARS BACK, WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY NEW BUILDINGS.
THE APPLICANT'S SIMPLY PROPOSING TO, UM, REACTIVATE SOME EXISTING VACANT SPACE, THE OLD DRESS BARN LOCATION WITH, UM, PROPOSED RESTAURANT SPACES AND QUICK SERVICE, FAST FOOD RESTAURANT SPACES.
UM, A LOT OF WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS ALSO TO ACCOMMODATE ENHANCED SITE CIRCULATION AND INCREASE SITE SAFETY THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
UM, THE SPECIAL PERMIT APPLICATION IS BEING REQUESTED.
THEY ARE IN ORDER TO ASSIST WITH SECURING TENANTS AND LEASING THE VACANT SPACE.
AS INDICATED, IT'S 8,200 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL.
2,900 SQUARE FEET IS BEING PROPOSED AS RESTAURANT SPACE.
5,300 SQUARE FEET IS BEING PROPOSED AS QUICK SERVICE SPACE.
AND IN RELATION TO THESE, WE ARE REQUESTING THE SHARED PARKING REDUCTION.
UM, BUT I WILL TURN IT OVER NOW TO ROB AO FROM J M C TO KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH THE SITE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO COME HERE AND, YOU KNOW, INTRODUCE THIS PROPOSAL AND, YOU KNOW, RE BEGIN THE CONVERSATION.
THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE A WHILE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, ROB AIELLO WITH J M C, WE'RE THE ENGINEERS AND TRAFFIC ENGINEERS FOR, UH, THE APPLICANT, ER DEBIT PROPERTIES.
IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO SHARE MY SCREEN.
SO, UM, SO YOU KNOW, THE MIDWAY SHOPPING CENTER IS A, A CENTER THAT EVERYONE I WOULD THINK IS, UH, VERY FAMILIAR WITH.
AND IT'S ALSO BEEN THE SOURCE OF VARIOUS APPLICATIONS, UH, WITH THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE TOWN BOARD, UH, THROUGH THE YEARS.
UH, IT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF ORLEY ROAD AND CENTRAL PARK AVENUE, WHICH IS NEW YORK STATE ROUTE 100, AND IT IS IN THE CA, CENTRAL PARK AVENUE MIXED USE IMPACT, UH, DISTRICT.
THE OVERALL PROPERTY IS ABOUT 14.3 ACRES IN SIZE.
AND THE, UH, OVERALL GROSS FLARE AREA OF THE BUILDINGS TOTAL ABOUT 222,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND THERE CURRENTLY ARE A MIX OF RETAIL AND RESTAURANT USES ON THE PROPERTY, AND THEY'RE SERVED BY 1,157, UH, PARKING SPACES THROUGHOUT THE SHOPPING CENTER, BOTH ON GRADE PARKING SPACES, AS WELL AS PARKING SPACES THAT ARE LOCATED ON THE ROOFS OF THE MAIN BUILDINGS, UH, LOCATED HERE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE SHOPRITE SPACE.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE TOTAL OVERVIEW OF THE PARKING THAT, UM, AT THE CENTER.
SO THE PROPOSED SITE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, VERY APTLY CATEGORIZED BY, UH, MR. SCHMIDT, UH, YOU KNOW, REALLY FALL INTO, UH, FOUR DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
UH, NUMBER ONE WOULD BE THE CHANGE OF USE TO, FROM A RETAIL SPACE TO A RESTAURANT AND A QUICK SERVICE, UH, FAST FOOD RESTAURANT.
AND THIS PARTICULAR SPACE IS LOCATED IN THIS BUILDING HERE, UH, WHICH IS CLOSEST TO ARLEY ROAD.
AND IT'S THE, THE FORMER DRESS BARN SPACE, WHICH HAS BEEN VACANT SINCE, UH, 2019.
AND THE, UH, MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE APPROACHED TBIT, UH, FOR POTENTIAL LEASES IN THIS SPACE, YOU KNOW, OR REALLY WHAT THEY'RE SEEING THROUGHOUT THEIR CENTERS, UH, IN SIMILAR SITUATIONS ARE FOR RESTAURANTS AND QUICK SERVICE, FAST FOOD, UH, RESTAURANTS.
IN ADDITION, THERE'S A PROPOSAL TO ADD SOME OUTDOOR, UH, PARKING, I'M SORRY, SOME OUTDOOR SEATING FOR THOSE RESTAURANT SPACES, WHICH WOULD BE IN THE FORMER DRESS BAR AND SPACE, WHICH IS 8,200 SQUARE FEET, UH, TOTAL.
WHERE WOULD THE OUTDOOR RECEIVING BE THOUGH? IS IT SHOWN ON THERE? SURE.
UH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS PLAN.
AND, UH, WHAT I HAVE HERE IS A RENDERING OF THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENT AREAS.
SO ANYTHING THAT HAS A COLOR APPLIED TO IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE MODIFIED IN PROPOSED CONDITIONS.
SO THE, AND TO ANSWER YOUR YOUR QUESTION SPECIFICALLY, THE OUTDOOR SEATING IS PROPOSED IN THIS LOCATION HERE.
UM, CURRENTLY THIS PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING
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IS ORIENTED PARALLEL TO THE EXISTING BUILDING HERE, AND THERE'S A RESULT IN TRIANGLE OF, UH, UH, OF STRIPED AREA IN THIS LOCATION.SO WE'VE ROTATED THE PARKING TO BE ALIGNED WITH THE MAIN BASE OF PARKING FOR THE OVERALL CENTER, WHICH THEN BASICALLY MOVES THIS TRIANGULAR PIECE FROM THIS LOCATION HERE OVER IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE OUTDOOR SEATING IS PROPOSED.
AND IT WILL HAVE, UH, BOLLARDS ALONG, ALONG ITS PERIMETER TO PROTECT PATRONS THAT ARE USING THE OUTDOOR SPACE.
THEN THE OTHER MAIN CATEGORY OF IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO IMPROVEMENTS TO ONSITE TRAFFIC, CIRCULATION AND THE PARKING LAYOUT.
AND I'LL GO THROUGH THAT IN MORE DETAIL IN A MOMENT.
ALSO RECONFIGURING THE PARKING AND TRAFFIC FLOW BEHIND THE BUILDING CLOSEST TO ARLEY ROAD, TO, UH, RECONFIGURE THE EXISTING, UH, TRASH UH, CONFIGURATION THAT'S BEHIND THE BUILDING TO INCLUDE WHERE TO MOVE THE COMPACTOR TO ENHANCE THE SCREENING.
ALONG ARLEY ROAD, AND JUST TO MAKE THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE ORDERLY IN TERMS OF THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND ITS LAYOUT.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER AREA WHERE IMPROVEMENTS ARE PROPOSED.
IN THE BACK, THERE'LL BE DUMPSTERS IN THE REAR AND A TRASH COMPACTOR HERE AND SCREENING ALONG ARLEY ROAD.
UH, AND ALSO SCREENING IN THIS LOCATION HERE TO SCREEN THE DUMPSTERS THAT ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, CONVENIENTLY LOCATED TO THE BACK OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.
UH, ALSO INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION IS A, IS A RECON, IS A CONSOLIDATION OF THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY CONFIGURATION ON ALEY ROAD AND MARK PETRO FROM J M C.
UH, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER WILL TAKE YOU THROUGH THAT IN MORE DETAIL, UH, IN A MOMENT.
SO WE, WE HAVE MET WITH, UH, IN SEPTEMBER, UH, 2021 AT THE OUTSET OF THE PROJECT WHEN WE FIRST SUBMITTED.
UH, THE PROJECT HAS BASICALLY EVOLVED TO WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
AND THAT SITE WALK CONCLUDED REPRESENTATIVES OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, THE TOWN'S TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, BUILDING DEPARTMENT, REPRESENT REPRESENTATIVE, UH, REPRESENTATIVES, ALSO J M C, AND REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PROPERTY OWNER TO LOOK AT THE PLAN AS PROPOSED AND TO LOOK AT OUT IN THE FIELD AND JUST TO KIND OF EXCHANGE SOME IDEAS, MANY OF WHICH HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU, UH, TONIGHT.
AND WE'VE ALSO HAD ONGOING CONVERSATIONS SINCE THEN WITH TOWN STAFF AND THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT AS THE PLAN HAS EVOLVED.
SO, REGARDING THE CHANGE OF USE OF THIS SPACE, UH, THIS IS THE EXISTING DRESS BARN SPACE, AND THIS IS THE 8,200 SQUARE FEET THAT'S BEING PROPOSED TO BE MODIFIED.
UH, THERE'S A 2,900 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT USE AND A 5,300 SQUARE FOOT QUICK SERVICE AND FAST FOOD USE, UH, PROPOSED.
SO THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE CHANGE IN USE.
AND AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, UH, WE HAVE THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA, WHICH IS THIS TRIANGULAR AREA, AND THERE'S ALSO SOME OUTDOOR SEATING AREA ADJACENT TO THE EXISTING CHIPOTLE BUILDING, UH, WHO ALSO WOULD LIKE SOME OUTDOOR SEATING.
SO WE'VE INCORPORATED THAT INTO THE PLAN.
UH, THE OUTDOOR SEATING HAS OBVIOUSLY GROWN IN POPULARITY, UH, AS A RESULT OF THE PANDEMIC, AND IT'S A COMMON REQUEST OF FOOD RELATED TENANTS, UH, FOR UR DEBIT BOTH HERE AND THROUGHOUT THEIR PORTFOLIO.
ALSO, UH, A COMMON REQUEST, UH, MORE COMMON NOW AS A RESULT OF THE PANDEMIC IS A RESULT OF ONLINE ORDERING AND PICKUP.
SO WE'VE INCORPORATED INTO THE PLAN 18 PARKING SPACES IN THIS LOCATION, THESE ANGLED PARKING SPACES, UH, WHICH WOULD BE ALLOCATED FOR, UH, ONLINE ORDER AND PICKUP.
SO THEY'D BE SIGNED, UH, IN THAT MANNER.
PEOPLE WOULD DO THEIR ONLINE ORDERING THROUGH THEIR APP OR ON THEIR COMPUTER, AND THEN COME AND, UH, WAIT FOR THEIR FOOD TO BE BROUGHT TO THEM FROM THE, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THESE FOOD USES OUT TO THE OUTDOOR AREA.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER NEW COMPONENT TO THE APPLICATION, THE OUTDOOR, UM, UH, OUTDOOR CUSTOMER PICKUP AREA FOR ONLINE ORDERING.
WITH REGARD TO PARKING LOT AND ENTRANCE, UH, CONFIGURATIONS IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, UH, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'VE ORIENTED THIS BUILDING TO BE PARALLEL WITH THE EXISTING MAIN PARKING BAY, AND WE HAVE PROPOSED, UH, REVISIONS TO THIS LOCATION HERE.
THESE EXISTING SPACES NOW ARE DIMENSIONALLY NON-COMPLIANT.
THE PARKING SPACES THEMSELVES ARE NOT DEEP ENOUGH, AND THE AISLES ARE ALSO NOT WIDE ENOUGH.
SO AS WE WENT THROUGH THE UPDATE TO THE PLAN, WE'VE MADE SURE THAT THESE ARE DIMENSIONALLY COMPLIANT IN TERMS OF THE PARKING SPACE LAYOUT AND THE AISLES.
SO THAT'S A, A CHANGE, UH, IN THIS LOCATION HERE.
WE'VE ALSO MODIFIED, UH, THE PARKING AREAS TO THE WEST OF THE BUILDING, UH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE
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DRIVEWAY CHANGES THAT MARK WILL TALK ABOUT IN A MOMENT.WE'VE ALSO MODIFIED THE TRAFFIC FLOW IN THIS LOCATION HERE TO BE ONE WAY IN A SOUTHERLY DIRECTION, AND THEN ONE WAY IN A NORTHERLY DIRECTION.
AND RIGHT NOW, UH, THIS DRIVEWAY EXISTS WHERE YOU CAN GO BOTH UP THE PAGE AND DOWN THE PAGE.
AND IN ORDER TO KEEP IT, UH, MORE ORDERLY AND A LITTLE MORE PREDICTABLE AND ALLOW FOR BETTER STACKING, COMING OUT THE ARLEY ROAD, WE ARE NOW PROPOSING THIS TO BE A ONE-WAY TRAFFIC FLOW, WHERE YOU, WHEN YOU'RE ENTERING THE SITE FROM ARLEY ROAD, YOU'LL HAVE AN OPTION TO TURN LEFT, TO BRING YOU IN FRONT OF THE NEW BUILDING WHERE THE BUILDING, WHERE THE MODIFICATION OF THE USE IS.
OR YOU CAN CONTINUE AS YOU CURRENTLY DO OUT TOWARDS THE, UH, DRIVE, WHICH GOES TO THE BACK OF SHOPRITE AND COME OUT.
AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO MAKE A LEFT GO THROUGH OR MAKE A RIGHT.
SO THAT JUST MAKES THIS A MORE ORDERLY WAY OF MOVING THROUGH THE CENTER.
AND THERE'S SIMILAR FASHION IF YOU CHOOSE TO GO UP TO THIS PARKING AREA IN THE BACK.
UH, WE'VE ALSO PROPOSED THIS TO BE ONE WAY IN A SOUTHERLY DIRECTION AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE AND IN A NORTHERLY DIRECTION AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE AS YOU'RE IN THIS UPPER PARKING AREA, JUST TO KIND OF RECONFIGURE THIS LOCATION AND MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE, UH, PREDICTABLE AS YOU'RE DRIVING THROUGH IT AND TO MINIMIZE CONFLICTS OF MOVEMENTS OF CARS THAT ARE MOVING THROUGH THIS AREA.
ROB, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, I ASSUME THAT'S THE BATTERY STORAGE UP ON THAT, ON THAT, UH, THE ARROW TOWARDS IT.
THAT Y YOU'RE, YOU'RE CORRECT.
THERE, THERE ARE SOME OTHER APPLICATIONS THAT ARE OR HAD BEEN PROCESSED BY OTHER TENANTS.
IT'S IN, IT'S IN PROCESS RIGHT NOW.
BUT WE'VE TAKEN THAT AND WE'VE INCORPORATED INTO THE PLAN TO MAKE SURE IT'S ALL OKAY.
YEAH, SO THERE'S THAT ASPECT OF IT.
THERE'S ALSO SOME OTHER IMPROVEMENTS PROPOSED BY SHOPRITE FOR A PICKUP AREA, UH, THAT WE'VE ALSO INCORPORATED INTO OUR PARKING CALCULATIONS THAT WE'LL
WHAT ARE THE, I'D LIKE COULD, YEAH, WE PLEASE DO WHEN WE HEAR ABOUT THAT.
WHERE WAS I IN MY NOTES? SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC FLOW.
YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT THE TWO, THE TWO-WAY ON THE RAMP GOING UP.
AND I, WE'VE ALREADY SPOKEN ABOUT THE RECONFIGURATION OF THIS DRIVEWAY AND THIS LAYOUT.
UH, JUST ZOOMING IN A LITTLE BIT WITH SOME COLOR.
SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE COMPACTOR.
IT'S CURRENTLY ALONG IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, BUT WE'RE LOOKING TO MOVE IT BACK HERE.
SO THE TRUCK, UH, CAN COME INTO THE CENTER FROM THIS DIRECTION HERE, COME DOWN BACK IN, EMPTY THE COMPACTOR, AND THEN LEAVE.
AND IN A SIMILAR FASHION, UH, THESE, UH, EXISTING TRASH ENCLOSURES CAN ALSO BE DEALT WITH IN THE SAME WAY.
THE TRUCKS CAN COME IN FROM THE TOP, COME HERE, LOAD AND THEN LEAVE.
SO THIS AREA IS ALSO BEING RECONFIGURED.
SO REGARDING THE NUMBERS AND THE PARKING CALCULATIONS.
SO IN PROPOSED CONDITIONS, WE HAVE 31 FEWER PARKING SPACES THAT ARE ON, THAT WILL BE ON THE SITE AS A RESULT OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE.
UH, BOTH FIXING THE NON-COMPLIANT, MODIFYING THE TRAFFIC FLOW TO MAKE IT MORE, UH, UH, TO MAKE IT MORE CONVENIENT AND TO, TO MAKE IT MORE PREDICTABLE AS YOU'RE USING THE CENTER.
AND THEN THERE'S 15 FEWER PARKING SPACES RESULTING FROM APPLICATIONS RELATING TO SHOPRITE AND THE BATTERY STORAGE.
SO THE TOTAL REDUCTION IN PARKING IS 46 PARKING SPACES.
WHAT YOU, HOW DO YOU, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, HOW YOU DO THIS.
WHAT, YOU HAVE 18 SPACES THAT ARE DEDICATED TO CUSTOMER PICKUP.
I DON'T KNOW AARON OR DAVE, DO YOU KNOW HOW WE COUNT THOSE IN OUR CODE? SO WE HAVE A, A, WE HAVE A REQUEST INTO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, BUT HE'S BEEN OUT OF THE OFFICE LAST WEEK AS WELL AS THIS WEEK.
SO WE WILL SOON HAVE THAT INFORMATION FOR THE BOARD, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE IT THIS EVENING.
I MEAN, I DON'T, I I DON'T, BECAUSE I COULDN'T MAKE, MAKE AN ARGUMENT EITHER WAY.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE, AN ANSWER IS.
ON ONE HAND, I CAN SAY THEY'RE DEDICATED.
SO THERE AREN'T, THEY AREN'T FLEXIBLE, BUT NO ONE'S GONNA USE THOSE TO SHOP, TO PARK AND SHOP.
UM, I DON'T THINK THOSE SPACES, ON THE OTHER HAND, IT'S, IT'S STILL A CUSTOMER THAT'S USING THIS THING THAT'S USING THE THING INSTEAD OF WALKING IN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER TO THAT IS, BUT WE NEED TO GET, WE NEED A DEFINITIVE ANSWER FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
I, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR AARON.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'M READING FROM THE AGENDA.
IT SAYS, THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION OF 197 SPACES, 1 9 7 FROM 1,308 TO 1,111.
IS THE SHARED IS, IS THE REDUCTION REQUEST 197 OR IS
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IT THE 38 OR 39 THAT YOU KNOW, MS. ALO HAS TALKED ABOUT? WELL, OKAY, SO I'LL LET, I'LL LET MR. AIELLO, AND IF, IF YOU'RE NOT CLEAR AFTER THAT, I CAN CHIME IN.SO IT'S A COMBINATION, IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE TWO.
SO IT, IT, THE, THE, IT'S ACTUALLY AN INCREASE OF, I ACTUALLY HAD A 1 196 IN MY NOTES.
SO 1 96 OR 1 97, UH, IT'S AN INCREASE IN THE SITE'S CURRENT SHARED PARKING REDUCTION THAT EXISTS CURRENTLY, THE SITE HAS A 154 OKAY.
PARKING SPACE, SHARED PARKING REDUCTION.
AND THIS PROPOSAL WOULD RESULT IN AN ADDITIONAL 196 SPACES TO BE ADDED TO THAT SHARED PARKING REDUCTION FOR A TOTAL OF 350 SPACES.
SO THOSE NUMBERS ARE REALLY A COMBINATION OF TWO THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, THE REDUCTION, THE 46 FEWER PARKING SPACES THAT PHYSICALLY WILL EXIST ON THE PROPERTY.
AND NUMBER TWO, THE ADDITIONAL DEMAND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, PUT FORWARD BY THE ZONING CODE FOR THE CHANGE FROM RETAIL TO A RESTAURANT OR A QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANT.
SO THE PARKING REQUIREMENT GOES UP AS A RESULT OF THE CHANGE OF USE THE PARKING PROVIDED GOES DOWN AS A RESULT OF THE PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED.
AND THE NET IS A TOTAL OF 350 PARKING SPACES FOR THE OVERALL CENTER REQUIRED FOR THE SHARED PARKING REDUCTION, 154 OF WHICH ALREADY EXIST.
SO WE DID DO A PARKING STUDY ON, UH, BLACK FRIDAY.
WE ALSO DID IT ON THE 20TH HIGHEST HOUR.
UH, WE DID A, WHICH IS IN DECEMBER THE 20TH HIGHEST PARKING REDUCTION HOUR.
AND I, I WON'T TRY TO USE ALL THE TRAFFIC TERMS THAT MARK USES MORE ELOQUENTLY THAN I, AND HE CAN KIND OF TAKE YOU THROUGH THE JUSTIFICATION AS TO WHAT WE FOUND IN OUR PARKING ANALYSIS AND IN OUR PARKING STUDY AND THE SUPPORTING DATA FOR THAT PARKING REDUCTION.
YEAH, I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND.
SO, SO THE, THE 1 96 OR 1 97 IS ACCOMMODATION OF ELIMINATING 46 SPOTS AND THEN THE REQUIREMENT UNDER THE CODE.
'CAUSE IT'S NOW GOING TO RESTAURANT OF ANOTHER, WHATEVER THE HECK IT IS.
A QUICK, QUICK QUESTION, AARON.
AARON, I THINK, I THINK FOR THE LAST SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS WE'VE, AT LEAST THE PLANNING BOARD HAS ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE TOO STRICT.
HAS ANYTHING BEEN DONE IN THE CODE TO REDUCE, UM, THE, UM, THE, UH, PARKING REQUIREMENTS? I, NOT AT THIS TIME, NO.
NO, MICHAEL, BUT WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, WE'VE BEEN USING, I THINK WE DID DO, I THINK IT'S TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO NOW.
I CAN'T WITH COVID, I CAN NEVER REMEMBER TIMES, BUT I, IT WAS, IT WAS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THE, WHAT WE DID WAS WE REDEFINED WHAT A PARKING WAIVER WAS, UH, IN TOWN, IN IN THE TOWN, WHICH MADE, SO WHAT WE BEEN DOING IS DEALING WITH THOSE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS IN THESE SHOPPING CENTERS, BY GIVING PARKING WAIVERS WHERE WE THOUGHT THEY WERE APPROPRIATE BASED ON THE CAPACITY THAT WE SAW.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S ABOUT TIME.
GOT, GOT, GOT AND LINE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE.
'CAUSE WE ARE, THE LAW ITSELF IS, IS CLEARLY OVER PARKED.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE NOT LET THAT KEEP US FROM DEVELOPMENTS BY, WE'VE BEEN FLEXIBLE WITH THE PARKING WAIVER TO ADJUST TO THAT.
WHAT, WHAT WE'VE ALSO DONE IS HAD A RELIANCE, UH, THROUGH OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS ON U L I AND OTHER PROFESSIONALLY RECOGNIZED.
SO ASTRO WE'VE ALSO CONSIDERED THAT AS WELL.
MONA, YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP AND PLEASE DO ME A FAVOR, JUST EVERYBODY PUT THEIR HAND UP SO I CAN KEEP, KEEP PEOPLE IN ORDER.
APPRECIATE ALL YOUR TALK, MONA.
UM, BUT MONA, WHEN YOU TALK, IT'D BE MUCH BETTER IF YOU WERE, IF YOU WERE NOT.
AFTER MONA, THEN WALTER, THEN JOHAN, THE PARKING AREA WHERE, UM, THEY PUT IN THE DIAGONAL AREA, UM, WHERE YOU CAN TEXT AHEAD OF TIME TO, UM, PARK AND THEN GET YOUR FOOD.
THOSE 18 SPOTS, THOSE ARE GONNA BE SIGNED AND THAT'S GONNA BE UNENFORCEABLE SIGNS THAT SAY PARK HERE IF YOU'VE ORDERED SOMETHING.
SO EVEN THOUGH THEY THINK THAT'S GONNA BE SHORT-TERM PARKING, THAT COULD BE LONG-TERM PARKING.
AM I CORRECT IN THAT? IT, IT CERTAIN WOULDN'T BE ENFORCEABLE BY THE TOWN? UH, BUT IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS PEOPLE DO RESPECT THOSE PARKING SPACES BECAUSE EVERYONE KIND OF KNOWS THAT THIS ONLINE ORDERING IS BEING DONE MORE AND MORE THROUGHOUT RETAIL CENTERS.
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AND I WOULD THINK IF IT BECAME AN ISSUE, THE, THE APPLICANT UR STATA WOULD NEED TO POLICE IT ON ITS OWN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEEDS OF ITS TENANTS ARE BEING MET.I WILL HELP YOU ON THIS ONE TOO, MONA.
THEY, THEY WILL BE CUSTOMERS OF THE BUSINESS, BUT THEY MAY NOT BE SHORT-TERM CUSTOMERS OF THE
THERE AREN'T ANY LONG-TERM CUSTOMERS.
AND THOSE RESTAURANTS REALLY, THE TURNOVER TURNOVER'S PRETTY QUICK GENERALLY.
SO THE CHANCE OF IT BEING AN ISSUE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BIG ISSUE.
UM, WHO DID I SAY NEXT? COR, THEN WALTER, THEN JOHAN COR ON MUTE.
NO, I JUST, UH, I HAVE IT, UH, UH, I WANNA APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT TO KIND OF CLEAN UP THAT TRIANGULAR CONFUSING, UH, UH, PARKING AREA, UH, WHICH IS, WHICH IS A GOOD, GOOD STEP IN A RIGHT DIRECTION TO CLEAN UP THE PARKING IN THIS WHOLE, UH, OTHERWISE VERY, UH, DANGEROUS PLACE TO SHOP.
UM, SO THAT, BUT VITO, UH, I HAVE TWO RE TWO QUESTIONS AND ALSO REQUEST IS CAN WE SINCE, SO I THINK, UH, MICHAEL TOUCHED ON IT.
THERE IS SO MANY DIFFERENT APPLICATION CAME IN LAST FIVE YEARS FROM THE SAME APPLICANT FOR DOING DIFFERENT THINGS AT A DIFFERENT TIME.
UH, AND IF THEY CAN SORT OF GIVE US A, UH, UH, THE STATUS OF IT, AND IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT WAS APPROVED OR, UH, BEEN, BEEN KIND OF, UH, TAKEN CARE OR, OR IF IT'S NOT, THEN THAT'S GONNA BE DONE.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE WAS A SIDEWALK, UH, CONNECTION TO THE, UH, FROM THE, TO THE, TO THE, UH, BUS STOP IN ON, ON THE FRONT OF, UH, CENTRAL AVENUE.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S, UH, WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT.
UH, THE SECOND, UH, THE, SO THAT'S KIND OF, UH, GIVES US A UNDERSTANDING WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL OF THE THINGS THAT CAME BEFORE US IN LAST FIVE YEARS.
AND HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO THIS THING, IS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
UH, OTHER THING IS THAT, UH, UH, THERE IS A REALLY, UH, THE, THE CHANGE IN, UH, UM, IN ENTRANCE FROM THE LEY ROAD IS A GOOD IMPROVEMENT, BUT IT STILL DOES NOT SOLVE THE BASIC PROBLEM THAT THE LEY ROAD IS VERY BUSY, AND IT'S A KIND OF A SLOPE COMING DOWN FROM THE TOP.
AND PEOPLE HAS TO KIND OF, UH, MAKE A LEFT TURN.
COMING OUT OF THE SHOPPING CENTER IS A, IT IS, IS A VERY DIFFICULT, MANY TIMES THE, THE CROWDS PARKS, UH, ALL ALONG, ALL THE WAY TO THE, UH, THE KIND OF FOUR HILL, THE FLASHING OF THOSE, THE RED LIGHT FLASHING RED LIGHT, WHICH IS STOP SIGN.
AND SO WANTED TO UNDERSTAND, UH, HOW, HOW THEY HAVE ADDRESSED, UH, OUR PREVIOUS CONCERN.
UH, THE THIRD POINT IS THAT THE NEED TO HAVE A, UH, PEDESTRIAN, UH, KIND OF SAFETY CROSSWALKS AND A SIDEWALK ALONG THE LEY ROAD, WHICH IS VERY, UH, VERY MUCH NEGLECTED AND IT NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED.
SO WE'LL REQUEST THAT APPLICANT LOOK INTO IT AND PROVIDE A UPDATE ON IT.
UH, WALTER, I, YOU TOOK YOUR HAND DOWN, BUT I THINK YOU WERE NEXT.
UH, THERE IS A, UH, A PARKING LOT ON THE ROOF THAT IS, UH, ONLY PARTIALLY UTILIZED.
HOW WHEN YOU ARE COUNTING, UH, PARKING SPACES, HOW ARE YOU, HOW ARE YOU TREATING THAT ROOFTOP PARKING? IS THAT PART OF IF THE, THE, I FORGOT HOW MANY SPACES UP THERE.
WHEN YOU'RE COUNTING SPACES, OR ARE YOU INCLUDING THAT HUNDRED IN YOUR BASIC COUNT NUMBER? YES.
THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE INCLUDED IN THE COUNTS.
BUT OUR TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, OUR PARKING ANALYSIS DID LOOK AT THE UTILIZATION.
IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS ON THE CENTER.
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AND THAT, I THINK, UH, MICHAEL DODEN AND MYSELF ON THE LAST APPLICATION, WE PERIODICALLY JUST WOULD GO UP THERE ALL TIMES A DAY, ALL TIMES A NIGHT, PROBABLY BETWEEN THE TWO OF US WAS UP THERE ABOUT 25 TIMES.AND THE PARK OF, ALTHOUGH A HUNDRED, THAT SPACE IS ONLY USED ABOUT, I THINK THE NUMBER IS 24.
SO I, I THINK, YES, THOSE, THESE ARE LEGITIMATE SPACES, BUT IN TERMS OF REALLY SPACES AVAILABLE TO THE SHOPPERS, I, THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT, UH, UH, UH, UH, AT LEAST FROM THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION, SHOPRITE HAVE, UH, UH, UH, ALL THE, UH, PARK AND PART OF THE LEASE, IF I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY, THE SHOPRITE HAS THE FRONT OF THE, OF THEIR BUILDING.
THERE'S SOME SORT OF LEASE RESTRICTIONS AS TO WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THE PARKING ON THAT SITE.
UH, WHICH LEADS, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S STILL THE CASE, BUT WHAT IT DOES IS THAT WE REALLY CAN'T TAKE A HOLISTIC VIEW OF THE PARKING AT MIDWAY BECAUSE YOU HAVE A BIG CHUNK OF THE PARKING THAT'S OUT OF THE EQUATION.
AND SO NOW IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC FLOW, IN TERMS OF SAFETY, UH, UH, WITH THAT BIG CHUNK OF SPACES TAKEN OUT OF THE EQUATION THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SORT OF RESTRICTED IN WHAT TYPE OF PUL MASTER PLAN YOU COULD DO FOR THAT FACILITY.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LEASE ARRANGEMENTS CURRENTLY ARE WITH SHOPRITE, BUT THAT IS A, IF THAT SAME CONDITION IS STILL IN PLACE, IS A BIG IMPEDIMENT OF RARELY GETTING GOOD TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH THAT, UH, SHOPPING CENTER.
SO, I DON'T KNOW, YOU NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT, UH, YOU COULD MAKE CHANGES IN THOSE PARKING SPACES.
BUT, UH, IF I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, I SEE MR. DELL'S HANDS UP AND I, I'LL RECOGNIZE YOU BEFORE I RECOGNIZE THE REST OF THE BOARD IN A SECOND, MR. DELL.
BUT I DO WANNA MAKE A COMMENT AND CORRECT THE RECORD.
UH, MR. SIMON SAID THAT THE PARKING SPACES ON THE SOUTH ROOF ARE LEGITIMATE PARKING SPACES.
IN FACT, THEY'RE NOT UNDER OUR CODE.
THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE NOT LEGITIMATE.
UH, REQUIRES A 20 FOOT WIDE ACCESS TO THOSE PARKING SPACES.
WHEN WE HEARD THE EXPANSION IN 2015, UM, THE, WHEN I ACTUALLY MEASURED, IT'S ABOUT 17 FEET WIDE.
IT'S NOT ANY PLACE YOU'D WANNA HAVE PEOPLE PARKING ON A REGULAR BASIS.
AND AT THE TIME, AS A COMPROMISE, WHAT WE TRIED TO DO, WE SAY, OKAY, MAYBE WE COULD ALLOW EMPLOYEES TO PARK UP THERE 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT COMING IN AND OUT.
SO WE TRIED TO DO THAT TO ACCOMMODATE THE SHOPPING CENTER.
AND IN FACT, THERE WAS A TEST, THE MAJ, THE, THE MOST, UH, EMPLOYEES, SHOPRITE REFUSED TO COMPLY.
AND THE MOST EMPLOYEES THAT WE GOT UP THERE WAS CARS HE EVER GOT UP THERE WAS 40.
AND THIS WAS ACTUALLY, ROBBIE SHOULD CHECK WITH JIM RYAN.
JIM RYAN IS, KNOWS ALL OF THIS STUFF.
OKAY? JIM RYAN FROM J M C KNOWS ALL OF THIS STUFF BECAUSE HE WAS THE ENGINEER AT THE TIME.
UM, AND 40 WAS THE MOST, AND I THINK IT DWINDLED AS WE'D DONE.
I THINK THAT MAYBE WHERE THE NUMBER OF WALTER, REMEMBER THE 24 ACTUALLY CAME FROM.
I THINK IT ACTUALLY MAY HAVE COME FROM J M C.
'CAUSE WE TESTED EMPLOYEE PARKING.
I'D BE HAPPY IF WE COULD FILL THOSE SPACES, FILL THOSE SPACES SOMEHOW.
BUT IRRESPECTIVE OF THAT, I, WHETHER THEY'RE LEGAL OR NOT, WHICH, UH, THEY'RE NOT UNDER OUR CODE, UM, THAT SHOULD BE CORRECTED ACTUALLY IN THE SITE PLAN, IRRESPECTIVE, EVEN IF WE WERE ABLE TO COUNT THEM, THEY CLEARLY ARE NOT SPACES IN ANYBODY ON THAT, THAT SIDE OF THE SHOPPING CENTER ARE GOING TO USE.
I JUST WANTED TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT, MR. NOW I'LL LET YOU GO.
AND THEN MR. SNAGS, AND THEN MR. GOLDEN.
UM, I THINK YOUR POINT IS IMPORTANT THAT WHEN WE EVALUATED THE OVERALL UTILIZATION OF PARKING ON THE SITE, WE, WE DID EVALUATE THE ENTIRETY OF THE CENTER, BUT OUR FOCUS FOR THIS APPLICATION IS TO WHAT EXTENT IS THERE ADEQUATE PARKING ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED CHANGE OF USE? THAT COUPLED WITH, UM, A DESIRE TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE PLANNING BOARD'S COMMENTS, THE PAST SEVERAL APPLICATIONS WE'VE HAD, WHICH, UH, FOCUSED ON
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THE NEED TO CLEAN UP AND SIMPLIFY AND IMPROVE THE CIRCULATION IN AND AROUND THE AREA THAT, UH, ELLO WAS REFERRING TO.SO FROM LEY ROAD THROUGH THE SITE ON THE, UM, THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE, THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PAGE.
SO, UM, THE, THE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE ON THE, ON THE SITE RIGHT NOW ARE PREEXISTING NON-CONFORMING, UM, PARKING SPACES.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO BRING THEM MORE INTO CONFORMITY AS WE RECONFIGURE THE CIRCULATION AND LAYOUT IN THE AREA IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THESE TWO RESTAURANT USES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
AND, AND WE'RE PROPOSING RESTAURANT USES.
BECAUSE AS HAD BEEN SAID, THE DRESS BARN, UH, SPACE HAS BEEN EMPTY FOR THREE YEARS, AND AS HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCED BY MANY, UM, RETAIL, UH, ESTABLISHMENTS, RETAIL IS LESS AND LESS IN DEMAND AND MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO FILL AS A RESULT OF THE, THE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT OF THE PANDEMIC.
SO WE WE'RE LOOKING TO CONFIGURE THESE SPACES AND GET THEM APPROVED SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THEM AS RESTAURANT SPACES.
AND WE THINK THAT THE UTILIZATION OF PARKING IN AND AROUND THERE IS MORE THAN ADEQUATE TO ACCOMMODATE THE DEMAND OF THE PARKING.
AND THAT THE SITE CIRCULATION FROM ARDSLEY ROAD AND IN AND AROUND THE SITE IS SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVED.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES IN FRONT OF SHOPRITE AND, AND, UM, 'CAUSE OF THAT.
AND THOSE PARKING SPACES WOULD NOT BE BENEFICIAL, AS YOU NOTED IN, IN CONNECTION WITH THE RESTAURANT SPACE.
SO IF WHATEVER LIMITATIONS THERE MAY BE ON SHOPRITE NEEDING TO CONSENT TO RECONFIGURATION IN THAT AREA, THAT AREA IN FRONT OF ITS, ITS STORE IS REALLY LESS RELEVANT TO THE PARKING FOR PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT FOR QUICK SERVE AND RESTAURANT USE, WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA PARK IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT JUST WALKING FROM ONE PLACE IN THE CENTER TO THESE RESTAURANTS.
THEY'RE DESTINATION ORIENTED USES.
UM, AND I THINK I'D, IF WE COULD, AT SOME POINT, I'D VERY MUCH LIKE TO HAVE MARK PETRO WALK YOU THROUGH THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE ALONG ALEY ROAD, WHICH, UM, ARE SIGNIFICANT IN SIMPLIFYING AND IMPROVING, UH, CIRCULATION IN AND OUT, AND ADDRESSING THE, THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE ABOUT, UH, THE MAGNITUDE OF TRAFFIC ON ALEY ROAD ITSELF.
AND, AND THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY, UM, I THINK HAVE BEEN DONE IN COORDINATION WITH, WITH THE STAFF AND, AND YOUR CONSULTANTS.
SO, UH, WE LOOK FOR THEIR INPUT AS WELL.
MI, MR. DAL, I, I DO WANNA GO TO MR. SNAGS, MR. GOLDEN, THAT I'D REALLY LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOUR TRAFFIC PERSON.
TO ME, THE, THE, THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, I, I DO CARE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS ON LEY ROAD.
I, I LIVE RIGHT BY THE SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT GOES ON IN THERE, BUT I'M VERY INTERESTED TO, TO HEAR THEIR PARKING ANALYSIS, PARTICULARLY FOCUSING ON THE PARKING, UH, TRUCKS THAT'S IN PROXIMITY TO, TO, UH, WHAT YOU WANNA DO.
ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU BEFORE I GO ONTO THIS, AND THEN I WANT MR. SNAGS, MR. GOLD, AND THEN, THEN WE'LL LEAVE TIME, I PROMISE, FOR YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT.
DO WE HAVE, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHO IS GOING IN THERE NOW? NOW WE DO, WE DO NOT.
WE'RE WE'RE, WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE RESTAURANT USERS, UH, INTERESTED, UM, THROUGHOUT THE MARKET IN, IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, BUT ALSO FURTHER SOUTH.
AND, AND WE'RE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO ATTRACT TENANTS THAT WILL OCCUPY THE SPACE AND BE PRODUCTIVE FOR THE SITE AND FOR THE TOWN.
I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THERE ARE NO EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS THAT SHOPRITE HAS TO PARKING IN FRONT OF THE STORE.
UM, THEY DO HAVE CONSENT RIGHT.
TO CONSENT TO CHANGES THERE, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY EXCLUSIVITY RIGHTS.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I THINK OUR UNDERSTANDING WAS.
I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION BECAUSE YOU, WHAT YOU JUST BROUGHT UP IS INTERESTING.
UM, YOU, YOU HAVE ONE OF THE, OUT OF THE 88,000 SQUARE FEET THAT YOU'VE GOT, YOU GOT 2,900 OF THAT, UH, DEDICATED TO A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT.
AND YOU SAID YOU MAY HAVE SEVERAL MORE THAN ONE SIT DOWN INTERESTED IN THAT SPACE.
NOT, NOT MORE THAN ONE TO OCCUPY IT, JUST MORE THAN ONE POTENTIAL TENANTS.
IN OTHER WORDS, THERE ARE ENTITIES THAT ARE LOOKING AND, AND, AND SHOWING INTEREST, UHHUH
I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IS THERE A POSSIBILITY, AND I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO DO ANYTHING AT THIS POINT, JUST ASKING
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THE POSSIBILITY, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT 5,800 SQUARE FEET BECOME LIKE TWO SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS AND 2,400 SQUARE FEET BECOME A JUST FOR QUICK SURF, FOR EXAMPLE? IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? I THINK THAT WE'RE SIZING IT SO THAT WE HAVE THE, THE GREATER FLEXIBILITY.I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE, BUT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC OKAY.
BUT, BUT WE WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THIS RECOGNIZING WHAT THE MARKET SEEMS TO BE DEMANDING AND TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE IT.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES FOR ANY TENANT IS, AND WHEN WILL THE SITE BE AVAILABLE FOR US TO OCCUPY? AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE IN THIS AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T GET ANYONE TO SIGN AND COMMIT UNTIL WE'VE GOT, UM, SOMETHING TO DELIVER.
UM, I THINK, UM, I LOST WHO WAS NEXT? NO, IT WAS ME.
YEAH, THE, YOU ACTUALLY TOUCHED ON THE QUESTION THAT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT WERE WALTER'S POINT BEING MADE ABOUT THE SEGMENTATION OF THE PARKING LOT AND TRAFFIC FLOW.
I THINK ALL OF THAT IS DEPENDENT UPON THE TENANT, BUT, UM, UH, MR. NAL MADE THE POINT OF NOT KNOWING WHO THE POTENTIAL TENANT WOULD BE.
IF THAT'S A CHICK-FIL-A, THIS, IN MY OPINION, THIS WHOLE, UH, TRAFFIC FLOW KIND OF GOES OUT THE WINDOW BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, DISASTROUS.
IT'S TOO, TOO COMPARTMENTALIZED.
AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS, WITH ALL OF THE PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE LOST, IF THE REST OF THE PARKING LOT BECAME COMPLIANT, UM, BECAUSE THERE WERE SEVERAL POINTS MADE BY THE BEING NON-COMPLIANT, HOW MANY OTHER PARKING LOTS, HOW MANY OTHER PARKING SPOTS WERE WE, UM, POTENTIALLY GOING TO LOSE? WHAT'S IMPORTANT IN, IN, IN RECOGNIZING THE TERM COMPLIANT IS THAT MANY, MANY, MANY SITES THROUGHOUT GREENBERG AND OTHER COMMUNITIES WERE DEVELOPED, UM, BEFORE CERTAIN STANDARDS WERE SET UP.
THESE ARE COMPLIANT TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY'RE CONFORMING AND LEGALLY PERMITTED TO REMAIN.
THERE'S NO OBLIGATION TO CHANGE THEM.
UM, AND, AND THEY'VE BEEN FUNCTIONING WITHOUT MEANINGFUL DIFFICULTY.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS IN AREAS WHERE WE ARE MAKING RECONFIGURATIONS, WE'RE LOOKING TO BRING THEM UP TO CURRENT STANDARDS.
MR. NEL, YOU, IT'S REALLY LEGAL.
THE LEGAL NON-CONFORMING ACTUALLY, RIGHT? IS I THINK THE RIGHT TERM, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, SO LET, LET TOM SPEAK AND THEN CAN WE KEEP IT QUICK? 'CAUSE I DO WANNA GO BACK AND HEAR FROM THE, THEIR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, TOM.
UM, I THINK MINE IS PRETTY SIMPLE.
THE THING ON MY MIND IS YOUR USE ACCORDING TO OUR CODE, YOU KNOW, REQUIRES A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT ADDITION OF PARKING, YET THE REQUEST IS FOR A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN PARKING.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS ARE THE NUMBERS AND WE'VE DISCUSSED MANY TIMES.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THE NUMBERS ARE GOOD OR USEFUL OR NOT.
BUT, UM, IT MIGHT'VE BEEN YOU, MR. NOLL, THAT SAID, YOU THINK THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE PARKING ADJACENT TO THIS, UH, STRUCTURE.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE THAT DEMONSTRATED AND TO UNDERSTAND AND MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T MEAN PEOPLE ARE GETTING PUSHED INTO THE OTHER PART OF THE PARKING LOT WHERE THAT VERY SUCCESSFUL, UM, ASIAN STORE IS NOW.
AND THAT, UH, THAT YOU REALLY CAN MANAGE IT BECAUSE I'M IN THERE A LOT.
I THINK THESE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE FLOW ARE GREAT.
I THINK IT'D BE A, A BIG HELP, BUT IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, MORE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA WITH LESS SPACES.
SO I JUST WANNA HAVE THAT DEMONSTRATED.
MY LAST COMMENT IS, I'M LOOKING AT THE RAMP AREA AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN AND THERE'S A LITTLE STAIRWAY DOWN AND JUST A LITTLE SHADED AREA WHERE PEOPLE CAN WALK IF THEY'RE COMING OVER TO THE RESTAURANT.
IT SEEMS LIKE YOU REALLY NEED MORE OF A WALKWAY THERE, IN MY OPINION.
I HATE TO GIVE UP MORE SPACES, BUT WHAT ARE THOSE PEOPLE GONNA DO? THEY GOTTA GO SOMEWHERE IF THEY'RE COMING DOWN AND RIGHT NOW THEY'RE WALKING INTO A LANE OF TRAVEL.
THANK YOU TOM, MICHAEL, AND THEN CORRECT PLEASE.
LOOK, THE, THE, THE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO RESTAURANTS.
ONE IS DESCRIBED AS A, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A REGULAR SIT DOWN RESTAURANT, AND THE OTHER IS DESCRIBED AS A QUICK SERVICE, FAST FOOD RESTAURANT.
WHAT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE TERM QUICK SERVICE.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A MCDONALD'S, A BURGER KING? WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IN THAT 5,300 SQUARE FOOT SPACE? MS. AL, DO YOU WANNA ANSWER THAT TO EXPLAIN THAT YOU'RE ON MUTE, MS. AL? YEAH, THERE YOU GO.
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AARON OR TO, UH, DAN.PATRICK, DO YOU HAVE THE DEFINITION IN FRONT OF YOU? I DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION WITH ME.
I DO GIVE A COUPLE EXAMPLES OF WHO THAT COULD BE.
I MEAN, WHAT KIND OF PLACE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, AARON? WHAT'S THE DEFINITION UNDER GREENBERG THAT DISTINGUISHES BETWEEN A RESTAURANT AND, AND THE SPECIAL PERMIT USE THAT WE HAVE? I'M GONNA PULL IT UP NOW.
ALTHOUGH I BELIEVE DANIEL SAID HE DOES HAVE ACCESS TO, WELL, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR A DEFINITION.
WHAT KIND OF RESTAURANT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? RE A RESTAURANT.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 2,900 I I'M OUT, I'M WORKING.
I MEAN, IT SAYS QUICK SERVICE, FAST FOOD.
YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT A PANDA.
NO, NO, I'M NOT ANSWER, I'M NOT ASKING YOU.
IT'S AN AREA I'M, I HAVE EXPERTISE IN, SO I WAS GIVING YOU AN ANSWER.
I DON'T, NO, I WANT WHAT
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE MARKET CURRENTLY.
AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF CHANGES THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN THE PAST TWO YEARS THROUGH THE PANDEMIC.
AND I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT THE ONE THAT'S OUT THERE TRYING TO LEASE, UM, VACANT SPACE.
I CAN'T, I REALLY CAN'T ADDRESS IT.
I MEAN, NEXT TIME WE MEET, YOU KNOW, GIVE US A SENSE, YOU KNOW, FIND OUT WHAT KIND OF RESTAURANT YOUR MARKETING PEOPLE ARE, WHATEVER ARE TALKING ABOUT THE TERMS, THEY'RE TERMS OF OUR, THEIR DEFINITIONS IN THE NATIONAL RESTAURANT.
SO ASSOCIATION, I'VE WORKED IN THAT BUSINESS FOR 20 YEARS.
I CAN TELL YOU THEIR, THEIR DEFINITIONS FOR QSRS, WHICH IS A QUICK SERVE RESTAURANT FOR FAST CASUAL RESTAURANTS AND ALSO FOR FULL SERVICE RESTAURANTS.
YOU LET THE APPLICANT TELL US NEXT TIME.
I AM JUST TELLING THEM WHAT THEY SHOULD NEED TO DEFINE.
MICHAEL, PLEASE DON'T ARGUE WITH ME.
I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
AND, AND, AND THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, THE DEF THESE ARE THE USES THAT ARE DEFINED IN THE ORDINANCE AND YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY UP TO THE BILLING DEPARTMENT AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE WHEN AN APPLICATION COMES IN WHICH CATEGORY THEY FIT IN AND THAT, AND WE'RE REALLY LOOKING TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE BOTH, HOWEVER THEY'RE INTERPRETED TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER A PARTICULAR USERS INTERPRETED IT TO BE DEFINED.
LET'S MAKE SURE I GET AN ANSWER TO MICHAEL'S QUESTION.
IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY HAS TO, TO PUT THEIR ARMS AROUND WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BE.
IT WOULD BE GOOD, EVEN IF IT ISN'T A PARTICULAR ONE GOING IN THERE, EVEN GIVING SOME EXAMPLES.
SO YOU CAN PUT SOME MEAT ON THE BONES HERE WOULD BE GREAT.
YEAH, RICK, I COULD SHARE A SCREEN WITH THE DEFINITION IF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE IT.
AND, AND TALK ABOUT MEAT ON MEAT ON THE BONES, ALTHOUGH IT'S USUALLY OFF THE BONES IS MCDONALD'S IS SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT'S A Q S R FOR SURE.
IT'S COUNTER SERVICE PRIMARILY.
BUT, UH, LEMME JUST PUT IT WHEN A WAITRESS SERVICE, IT'S A FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT.
CAN EVERYONE SEE THIS? SO QUICK SERVICE OR FAST FOOD AND EATING OR DRINKING ESTABLISHMENT EXCLUDING BAKERIES, PIZZERIAS AND DELICATESSENS WHERE THE MAJORITY OF SERVICES AVAILABLE FROM A COUNTER TYPE INSTALLATION, FROM WHICH QUICKLY PREPARED OR PREPARED FOODS ARE TAKEN AWAY BY THE CUSTOMER, WHETHER OR NOT INTERIOR SEATING FACILITIES ARE PROVIDED.
DO YOU HAVE THE RESTAURANT DEFINITION, WHICH IS GOING TO BE FULL SERVICE? I KNOW THAT'S WHAT IT'S GONNA BE, BUT THE ONE YOU READ IT, SO WE HAVE THAT HERE.
ANY PREMISES WHERE FOOD IS COMMERCIALLY SOLD PRIMARILY FOR ON-PREMISES CONSUMPTION TO PATRONS SEATED AT TABLES AND SERVED BY A WAITER, A WAITRESS, ANY FACILITY MAKING USE OF CAR HOP OR PARKING LOT SERVICE TO CARS OR FOR THE CONSUMPTION OF FOOD TO BE EATEN AND SAID CARS ARE OUTDOORS, SHALL NOT BE CONSIDERED A RESTAURANT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS CHAPTER AND SHALL BE DEEMED TO BE QUICK SERVICE OR FAST FOOD.
AND THAT, THAT'S AN ACTUALLY AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT BECAUSE WITH THE PANDEMIC, ANY NUMBER OF RESTAURANTS HAVE SOUGHT TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE, CARRY OUT DIRECTLY TO THE CARS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR CUSTOMERS CAN GET IN AND OUT QUICKLY INSTEAD OF HAVING PEOPLE LINE UP AT THE COUNTER IN THE RESTAURANT ITSELF.
SO THE FLEXIBILITY THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE IS ONE THAT JUST GIVES US AN ABILITY TO FIND A TENANT, COME IN, GET A BUILDING PERMIT AND MOVE FORWARD RATHER THAN BE IN A SITUATION OF BEING CAUGHT BY THE, THE BARB OF NO, IF THEY WANT CARRY OUT, IF THEY WANT TO HAVE SOMEBODY PICK UP AT THE WINDOW, THEN IT'S A DIFFERENT USE AND THEY CAN'T DO IT.
CAN I STOP YOU THERE? BECAUSE WE, EARLIER TONIGHT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE LISTENING IN THE DSS DISTRICT, WE ACTUALLY CHANGED THE DEFINITION OF RESTAURANTS TO ALLOW FOR EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, AND WE, WE RECOMMENDED TO DO THAT.
SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S GOING TO PASS.
AND WE PROB WE NEED TO DO IT, GARRETT, TAKE NOTE.
WE NEED TO DO IT FOR CA DISTRICT TOO, TO CHANGE IT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LANGUAGE WE'RE DOING IN THE DSS DISTRICT.
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RIGHT, MR. NO, AND WE'RE GONNA, AND I, HOPEFULLY THAT'LL BE FIXED BEFORE AT, AT, AT LEAST IN CONCERT WITH THIS.SO THAT WON'T BE AN ISSUE FOR EVEN THE SIT DOWN RESTAURANT IF THEY WANNA RUN A SOMETHING OUT TO PEOPLE.
'CAUSE EVEN FULL SERVICE RESTAURANTS HAVE BEEN DOING IT DURING THE PANDEMIC, RIGHT? SO WE WANT TO ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT.
COR, LAST QUESTION, MAKE IT QUICK 'CAUSE I WANT GET BACK TO J M C.
UM, I HAVE THREE UH, QUESTIONS.
UH, ONE IS THAT IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE, UH, THE, UH, SKETCH OR PLAN THAT YOU PROPOSED, UH, AARON.
UM, THE, TO REDUCE THE CONFLICT OF THE TRAFFIC COMING OUT ON ARTLEY ROAD.
UH, IS IT POSSIBLE OR CAN YOU LOOK AT IT? OPTION OF NOT HAVING RIGHT, AND I MEAN GOING RIGHT OR LEFT AT THAT, UH, MAIN ENTRANCE SINCE YOU ARE PROVIDING A, ANOTHER ACCESS OUT OF THE SHOPPING CENTER SO YOU CAN HAVE ONLY LEFT TURN THERE AND THE MAKING A RIGHT TURN JUST TURNS BEFORE AND COMES OUT ON R C ROAD, WHICH WILL REDUCE, UH, SOME OF THE CONFLICTS, UH, OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND GETTING OUT AND MAKING THE TURN.
UH, AND THEN ALSO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE DO NOT, UH, SORT CIRCUIT THE CIRCULATION THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THERE IS A BARRIER BETWEEN THE, UH, PARKING FROM LEFT, FROM THE GOING OUT AND SORT OF COMING IN SO THAT PEOPLE DO NOT REALLY CROSS UNLESS IT'S A DESIGNATED AREA.
UH, OTHER QUESTION IS ABOUT THE, UH, THE YOU ARE PROPOSING BEFORE, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO YOUR, TO YOUR OTHER POINT.
I'M SORRY, COULD YOU JUST CLARIFY THAT SECOND POINT WHERE THE BARRIER WAS THAT, UH, THAT YOU HAVE A CIRCULATION WHERE IT'S A ONE WAY IN AND THEN YOU ARE NOT ALLOWING ANYBODY TO COME IN FROM OTHER SIDES AND THEN YOU HAVE A PARKING WHICH YOU EASILY, PEOPLE WILL JUST MAKE A SHORTCUT AND COME OUT INSTEAD OF, UH, DESIGNATED PLACE THAT YOU HAVE SHOWN, UH, AT THE, UH, BETWEEN THE YEAH, SO, SO THAT, YEAH.
SO TO MAKE IT A MORE EFFECTIVE OH, BARRIERS HERE, YOU NEED TO HAVE IT SOME KIND OF A BARRIER SO PEOPLE DON'T MAKE A SHORTCUT.
COULD YOU HAVE ANOTHER POINT? AND, AND THEN FOR THE, UH, PAYMENTS, ARE YOU GOING TO, UH, DO THE COMPLETE, UH, NEW PAYMENTS ON THESE AREAS THAT YOU HAVE SHOWN? OR IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT A, UH, CONSIDER THE PREVIOUS, UH, PREVIOUS BLACKTOP PAYMENT AND THE NEW MARKING.
UH, THE LA LAST QUESTION IS THE LIGHTING FOR THIS WHOLE AREA THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING AND WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF SEE WHAT KIND OF POWER LIGHTING YOU ARE PROPOSING IN THAT, UH, AREA.
YOU DON'T NEED TO ANSWER THAT STUFF TONIGHT, ROB.
WE'LL ANSWER THAT THE NEXT TIME.
I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU TRAFFIC CONSULTANT NOW AND, AND GO THROUGH THE PARKING STUDY.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE THEM TO EXPLAIN TO US IS HOW SOMEONE APPROACHES THIS BUILDING COMING FROM THE SOUTH ON CENTRAL AVENUE, WHAT THE TRAFFIC FLOW WOULD BE.
I'D LIKE THAT QUESTION ANSWERED BY A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT AND SHOW THAT AS WELL AS, UH, TAKING US THROUGH THE PARKING STUDY, GIVEN THAT WE ACTUALLY PICKED UP TIME, UH, EARLIER ON, I'M GONNA EXTEND THIS TILL NINE 15.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A HARD STOP AT NINE 15 'CAUSE WE HAVE ONE OTHER, UH, IMPORTANT THING ON TONIGHT THAT'LL, THAT WILL TAKE THE REST OF OUR EVENING.
SO I WILL GIVE US ANOTHER 25 MINUTES.
SO CAN WE TURN THIS OVER TO YOUR PARKING EXPERT? YES.
UH, GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MARK PETRO HERE FROM J M C.
I'M JUST GOING TO SHARE MY SCREEN, UH, WITH YOU, UM, SO EVERYONE CAN FOLLOW ALONG.
UM, SO HERE IS JUST AN AERIAL OF THE, UH, OF THE AREA OF THE SHOPPING CENTER OF, OF, UH, FOCUS REALLY.
UM, SO THIS IS EXISTING ADDITIONS.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, UH, ONE DRIVEWAY HERE, ANOTHER ONE HERE, THREE, AND THEN FOUR.
UM, SO WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, UH, IN THIS AREA BASED ON INPUT FROM STAFF AND AS WELL AS THE TOWN'S TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, WE TOOK A HARD LOOK AT THIS AREA TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO IMPROVE, UM, NOT ONLY JUST THE DRIVEWAYS, BUT ALSO THE, UM, INTERNAL CIRCULATION NEARBY THE DRIVEWAYS THERE AS WELL.
UM, SO WE DID HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, RESTRICTIONS TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THIS PARKING AREA THAT EXISTS, BUT ALSO TRY TO SIMPLIFY
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THIS AREA.SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, UM, WHAT WE THOUGHT OF DOING WAS ELIMINATING THIS DRIVEWAY HERE, WHICH CURRENTLY KIND OF JUST, UM, ENTERS IN AT THIS NORTHERN, THIS WESTERLY ENG WESTERLY PARKING LOT, AND THEN MAKES YOU STOP HERE BEFORE TURNING DOWN THE DRIVE AISLE.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS REALLY CONSOLIDATE THAT AND REMOVE THAT RIGHT TURN, UH, ENTRANCE ONLY DRIVEWAY AND MAKE THE PEOPLE MAKE THE RIGHT HERE AT THIS LOCATION AS WELL.
AND INSTEAD OF, UH, CURRENTLY THERE'S A SEPARATE LEFT AND RIGHT WITH A SMALL ISLAND THERE.
INSTEAD WE'RE DOING SIDE BY SIDE LEFT AND RIGHT TURNING LANES THERE.
UM, SO WHAT THIS DOES IS BY THE ELIMINATION OF THAT DRIVEWAY AND CONSOLIDATING, CONSOLIDATE THEM TO A, A FOCAL LOCATION, UM, YOU, IT'S A SAFETY IMPROVEMENT.
AND WHEREIN YOU'RE REDUCING THE NUMBER OF TURNING CONFLICTS WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, SO MANY PEOPLE TURNING THIS WAY AND THAT WAY YOU'RE, YOU'RE REDUCING THE POINT AT WHICH THEY WOULD, UH, POTENTIALLY MEET.
SO YOU HAVE A REDUCTION IN TURNING CONFLICTS WITH THIS REDUCTION IN IMPROVEMENT IN INTERNAL CIRCULATION, BUT ALSO YOU, YOU'RE IN, UH, REDUCING DRIVER CONFUSION AS WELL, UM, THAT MIGHT, UH, EXIST.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S OVERALL, IT'S A SAFETY IMPROVEMENT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AT THIS LOCATION TO CONSOLIDATE THE DRIVEWAYS, UM, WITH THIS.
AND THEN THIS, UH, EXISTING DRIVEWAY THAT'S FURTHER TO THE EAST THAT'S BEHIND THE BUILDING, IT'S CURRENTLY NOT STRIPED AND SO IT'S TECHNICALLY A TWO-WAY DRIVEWAY.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS REALLY FORMALIZE THAT TO BE A ONE-WAY EXIT DRIVEWAY THERE.
THAT'S RIGHT NOW REALLY THIS IS NOT HEAVILY UTILIZED.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, MORE BACK OF HOUSE, UH, OPERATIONS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY EMPLOYEES, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY NOT A HEAVILY UTILIZED DRIVEWAY IN THIS LOCATION.
MAINLY IT'S OVER IN THIS AREA WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM ZI ROAD WITH THE LEFT TURN LANE HERE.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY HOW WE CAME ABOUT IN, IN TRYING TO IMPROVE THE, THE ACCESS OVER ON ZI ROAD.
UM, AND THEN, UH, JUST QUICKLY, I'LL GO THROUGH THE PARKING, I GUESS FIRST, UH, CHAIRMAN AND THEN I, DO YOU WANNA, DO YOU WANNA A, ADDRESS THE QUESTION ABOUT C HOW DO YOU ENTER INTO THE AREA FROM CENTRAL AVENUE AND THE OTHER, THE OTHER POINT IS SOUTH.
FROM THE SOUTH SIDE ONLY MISS RIGHT? AND RIGHT AND, AND THEN WHERE YOUR HAND IS RIGHT NOW, YOUR CURSOR IS RIGHT NOW, THERE HAD BEEN AN ISSUE THERE OF PEOPLE, UM, POTENTIALLY BEING CONFUSED AND, AND MAKING A LEFT INTO THE EXIT, UH, AREA.
AND THE ISLAND, THE ISLAND THAT'S CREATED ON THE TOP IN BETWEEN THE ENTRY AND EXIT CLARIFIES THAT SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHEN TO WHERE TO ENTER AND WHERE TO EXIT.
I WANNA REALLY FOCUS ON ON THE PARKING, UH, THE PARKING AND THE, AND THE ACCESS, RIGHT.
DO THE PARKING FOR, DO THE PARKING FOR FIRST AND THEN THEN DO THE ACCESS LAST Y YEP, ABSOLUTELY.
SO, UM, AS WAS STATED, WE DID A PARKING ANALYSIS OF THE CENTER.
SO WHAT WE DID IS WE LOOKED AT, UH, FOUR TIME PERIODS.
WE LOOKED AT ACTUALLY TWO FRIDAYS AND TWO SATURDAY TIME PERIODS.
AND WE ACTUALLY COUNTED THE BUSIEST DAYS OF THE YEAR.
WE COUNTED BLACK FRIDAY, THE FRIDAY AND THE SATURDAY, AS WELL AS THE SECOND WEEK IN DECEMBER, UH, THE FRIDAY AND THE SATURDAY AS WELL.
SO WHAT WE DID, AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF THEM HERE, BUT WHAT WE HAD WAS WE HAD A DRONE GO UP AND TAKE PHOTOS OF THE SHOPPING CENTER TO GIVE YOU A SNAPSHOT OF THE COUNT DURING OUR, OUR ACTUAL COUNTS.
SO WHAT WE DID IS DURING THOSE FRIDAYS AND SATURDAYS, WE COUNTED FROM 11:00 AM TO 8:30 PM AND WE COUNTED EVERY HALF HOUR.
SO WE HAVE AREAS FOR EVERY HALF HOUR DURING THAT COUNT PERIOD IN OUR PARKING ANALYSIS.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT AREAS WHERE SOME LOCATIONS ARE NOT UTILIZED AS FAR AS HEAVY PARKING.
UM, YOU HAVE MORE UTILIZATION UTILIZATION OVER HERE CLOSER TO SHOPRITE.
UM, BUT YOU DO HAVE SOME UNDER UTILIZATION IN THE AREAS.
UM, SO, UH, UTILIZING THAT EXISTING COUNT INFORMATION, WE THEN PROJECTED WHAT THE PARKING DEMAND ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE RESTAURANT USAGE WOULD BE.
AND WHAT WE USED WAS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD OF INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS IN THEIR PUBLICATION OF PARKING GENERATION MANUAL TO GIVE US WHAT THAT PARKING DEMAND WOULD BE.
SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE ADDED ON TOP OF OUR COUNTS AND IN OUR PARKING ANALYSIS, YOU HAVE THESE CHARTS HERE TOO.
SO THE BLUE, THIS IS ACTUALLY JUST FOR BLACK FRIDAY ITSELF, BUT UM, THE BLUE LINE HERE IS ACTUALLY WHAT WAS COUNTED DURING THAT TIME PERIOD.
THE RED LINE AT THE BOTTOM, THIS IS THE ADDITIONAL DEMAND ASSOCIATED WITH THE RESTAURANT USES.
AND THEN THE GREEN IS THE CUMULATIVE DEMAND OF THE COUNTED SPACES PLUS THE RESTAURANT.
SO THIS WOULD BE YOUR PROPOSED PARKING DEMAND HERE.
AND THEN UP HERE IN ORANGE YOU HAVE THE EXISTING PARKING SUPPLY
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AND IN UH, PURPLE DASH LINE YOU HAVE THE PROPOSED PARKING SUPPLY AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN THAT SHADED PURPLE, THAT'S THE PARKING SURPLUS ON THE PROPERTY.WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, MR IT'S GETTING LATE AND AS WE'VE STATED SEVERAL TIMES, THE TOTAL CAPACITY OF THAT OF THAT AND LOOKING IN THAT WAY IS NOT REALLY RELEVANT.
WE DON'T BELIEVE TO THIS PROCESS.
SO IF WE COULD LOOK AT THE SEGMENTED ONE, I'D APPRECIATE.
SO, UH, THESE ARE JUST MORE THE CHARTS.
THIS IS THE OVERALL PROPERTY DURING THE FOUR DIFFERENT TIME PERIODS.
AND WHAT WE ALSO DID AND IS ALSO DISCUSSED IN OUR STUDY IS WE BROKE OUT THE SHOPPING CENTER INTO THESE DIFFERENT PARKING AREAS AND WE TOOK A CLOSER LOOK OVER BY AREA C, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE THE PROPOSED USES ARE.
SO THE OVERALL CENTER, UH, SORRY.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS AND YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE MODIFICATIONS OF THE PARKING SUPPLY, UH, THAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND THE REDUCTION DUE TO THE CHANGE OF THE PARKING, UM, WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING WITH THE DEMAND IS DURING A FRIDAY, UH, THERE'S 53 VEHICLES ON A SATURDAY, THERE'S PROJECTED 57, BUT THIS WOULD BE AT THE MAXIMUM OBSERVED OCCUPANCY.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAX THAT WE COUNTED, LOOKING AT THAT BE 53 AND 57 ON A FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, THAT WOULD NEED TO LOOK FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING IN EITHER THE RED AREA OR THE PURPLE AREA.
AND BASED ON OUR ANALYSIS AND YOU LOOKING AT TABLES AND CHARTS THAT ARE PROVIDED IN THERE, THERE IS SURPLUS SPACES IN THERE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE NUMBERS.
UM, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S WHOLLY IN THIS AREA OR IT'S SPLIT, UM, EITHER ONE CAN BE ACCOMMODATING THOSE ADDITIONAL, UH, LEMME GET, LEMME UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THE GREEN AREA WILL BE A HUNDRED PERCENT AND THAT THERE'LL BE OVERFLOW INTO THE PURPLE AREA AND OR THE RED AREA.
UNDER PEAK, UNDER PEAK OBSERVATION TIMES, YES.
AND SO THE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS, ONCE YOU TAKE AN ACCOUNT TO THE OVERFLOW, WHAT IS, IS THE PERCENTAGE, UH, FULL ON EITHER THE RED OR THE PURPLE AREA? DO WE KNOW? UH, IN, ON A FRIDAY, THE, THE PURPLE AREA HAS A SURPLUS OF 57 SPACES.
THE RED AREA ON A FRIDAY HAS A SURPLUS OF 90 SPACES ON A SATURDAY.
THE PURPLE AREA HAS A SURPLUS OF 66 SPACES, AND THE RED AREA ON A SATURDAY HAS A SURPLUS OF 63 SPACES.
EXCUSE ME FOR INTERRUPTING FOR A SECOND.
ARE WE, UH, CAN WE IDENTIFY THEM I THINK AS B AND D? 'CAUSE I HAVE, UH, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S MORE OF A PINK COLOR PURPLE.
LOOKS LIKE IT'S, SO THIS IS B THE WESTERLY PARKING LOT.
AND THEN THIS IS D THE SOUTHERN SOUTH, SOUTH OF THE AREA JUST TO THE RESTAURANT THAT'S D OKAY.
WHY DON'T WE USE THOSE TERMS RATHER THAN CALL IT.
TOM, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR RIGHT NOW THAT YOU NEED TO ASK? UH, WELL I HAVE A COMMENT, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, BLACK FRIDAY SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT TIME TO MEASURE IF YOU'RE A WALMART OR SOMEWHERE.
BUT FOR SHOPRITE I WOULD GUESS THAT, UH, AS, AS THE ONE OF THE MAIN TENANTS HERE, YOU KNOW, A FEW DAYS BEFORE THANKSGIVING IS PROBABLY GONNA BE MORE CROWDED THAN THE DAY AFTER THANKSGIVING.
SO I'M NOT SURE THAT IS THE ACID TEST FOR PARKING IN THIS PARTICULAR CENTER.
THAT WAS MY, WELL, WE DIDN'T, WE COUNTED BLACK FRIDAY, THE SATURDAY AFTER, BUT WE ALSO COUNTED THE DECEMBER 2ND WEEK IN DECEMBER, THE FRIDAY AND THE, AND THE SATURDAY AS WELL.
AND THOSE ARE OBSERVED TO BE THE, THE BUSIER TIMES FOR PARKING.
AND AT THIS, AT THAT POINT, CHAPO WAS ALREADY OPEN, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND JUST AS, UH, ALSO I'D LIKE TO ADD, UH, CHAIRMAN TO, IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THIS SUPPLY, UH, WHICH IS AREA H THE SOUTHERN ROOF PARKING OUT OF THE PARKING SUPPLY.
'CAUSE CURRENTLY IN OUR ANALYSIS WE SHOW A MINIMUM SURPLUS OF THE OVERALL SITE OF 351 SPACES MINIMUM.
UM, THERE'S GREATER ON OTHER TIME PERIODS, BUT BASICALLY YOU'RE LOOKING AT A, A SURPLUS OF 242 SPACES IF YOU TAKE OUT THIS SOUTHERNLY ROOF PARKING SUPPLY.
UNFORTUNATELY, I MEAN, THOSE ARE JUST NOT, NOT UP TO CODE AT ALL.
UM, BUT EVEN THE PROBLEM IS IT'S A LONG AND NARROW, NARROW SHOPPING CENTER.
I FEEL FOR THE, THE OWNER OF THE SHOPPING CENTER, IT'S, IT'S A DIFFICULT SHOPPING CENTER BECAUSE OF THE WEIRD CONFIGURATION AND EVEN THOSE SOUTHERN SPACES.
IF THIS WAS, IF YOU'RE BUILDING THIS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WE, WE, WE, I THINK WE'D ALL BE MORE COMFORTABLE BECAUSE YEAH, THERE'S CAPACITY, BUT NO ONE'S WALKING FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING TO EITHER SHOPRITE OR TO THESE BUILDINGS.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE SO FOCUSED ON THE NORTHERN END.
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CANNING HAS HAD A COMMENT.I THINK IF, AND I'D LIKE TO GET HIS INPUT.
MR. CANNING, GO AHEAD HEAR ME.
SO THE ANSWER TO SOMEBODY'S QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE IN THE PINK AND THE RED? AND I'M STILL WORKING THROUGH THE NUMBERS.
THEY LOOK REASONABLY GOOD, BUT I DON'T WANNA SIGN OFF ON THEM JUST YET.
TODAY IT LOOKS LIKE THE, IF YOU GET TO 95% IN THE GREEN AT THE, SAY IF YOU GET TO 95% IN THE GREEN AND YOU SPLIT THE OVERFLOW BETWEEN THE PINK AND THE RED, YOU'LL GET TO 86% IN THE, IN AREA D, WHICH IS THE RED, AND YOU'LL GET TO 80% IN AREA B, WHICH IS PURPLE.
SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE.
I STILL HAVE TO WORK THROUGH IT AND, UM, I, I WILL UH, SAY THAT THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN, UH, THE REPORT THAT J N C PROVIDED.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ IT AGAIN BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S SO MUCH INFORMATION THAT'S QUITE DIFFICULT TO ABSORB.
I'M HOPING THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT WILL, UH, PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BREAKDOWN 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE A BREAKDOWN OF WHERE THE OVERFLOW WOULD GO.
THEY JUST SAID HOW IT WOULD BE.
THAT'S VERY HELPFUL AND WE'RE GONNA HEAR FROM YOU A LOT MORE I THINK AT THE NEXT MEETING AS WELL.
MR. GOLD, DO YOU HAVE A QUICK COMMENT? GO AHEAD.
LOOK, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT IF THE GREEN GETS FILLED UP, PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO TOWARD AREA B AND AREA D, BUT MY CONCERN IS THIS, WHICH I WOULD ASK MR. CANNING AND THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS PERHAPS AT THE NEXT MEETING.
ONCE THE GREEN IS FILLED UP, YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE DRIVING ALL OVER THE PLACE LOOKING FOR A PARKING SPOT.
AND WE ALREADY KNOW THAT, THAT ROAD UP BY THE STORES, I'LL CALL IT THE STORE ROAD, IS FULL OF PEOPLE FULL OF SHOPPING CARTS FULL OF CARS.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE DRIVING AROUND LOOKING FOR A PARKING SPOT, IT INCREASES THE, UH, CONFLICTS BETWEEN CARS AND PEDESTRIANS.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY COULD FIND A PARKING SPOT, BUT I WOULD LIKE THE TRAFFIC PEOPLE TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION OF CONFLICTS AND PEOPLE DRIVING AROUND LOOKING FOR A SPOT.
'CAUSE I I, TRAFFIC FLOW, JUST AGAIN, THERE'S HISTORY HERE AND I THINK JIM RYAN WILL TELL YOU ABOUT SOME OF THE HISTORY TOO.
ONE OF THE ISSUES HERE IS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THIS LOT IS CONFIGURED, UNFORTUNATELY EVERYBODY'S DRIVEN TOWARDS THE FRONT, AS MR. GOLDEN JUST SAID, THE FRONT, THAT THE FRONT OF THE SHOPPING CENTER HAS TO DRIVE THROUGH THERE AND PEOPLE ARE CROSSING, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE TIME AND SHOP THEIR SHOPPING CARTS ALL THE TIME.
AND THAT IS A CONCERN OF OURS THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING THERE.
BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A HISTORIC ISSUE WITH THAT.
SO MR. UH, PETRO IS, IT DOES PRONOUNCE THAT RIGHT? THAT ENOUGH? PETRO? YES.
OR MARK, IT'S EASIER FOR ME TO MARK
HOW ABOUT THAT? UM, IF YOU CONTINUE, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT I SAID WE'RE ALL VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SHOPPING CENTER.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S REALLY A QUICK SYNOPSIS OF THE PARKING.
LIKE, UH, MR. KENNING HAD STATED THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THE PARKING ANALYSIS, SO OKAY.
BUT TO GET TO YOUR OTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE ACCESS FROM THE SOUTH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TWO OPTIONS AND I THINK YOU KIND OF HIT ONE OF 'EM WAS IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE SOUTH AND CENTRAL AVENUE, WHICH IS HERE ON PLAN WEST, YOU EITHER HAVE TO MAKE THE LEFT TURN INTO THIS ENTRANCE AND COME ALONG THE FRONT HERE, OR YOU CONTINUE UP AND TURN LEFT ON ZI ROAD, WHICH WOULD BE GET YOU CLOSER TO THE RESTAURANTS, WHICH WILL NEVER GET IN THAT WAY.
ONE OF THE THINGS YOU NEED TO LOOK AT IS THE BACKUP ON OLEY ROAD, PARTICULARLY AT LIKE DI RIGHT AROUND DINNER TIME.
IT'S THAT, THAT ROAD IS, IS THAT INTERSECTION IS DIFFICULT.
THERE ACTUALLY IS A THIRD ENTRANCE BY THE WAY, BETWEEN THIS NEXT SHOPPING CENTER DOWN AND RED LOBSTER AT THE END OF THAT BLUE THAT, I DON'T KNOW, TURQUOISE, WHATEVER YOU CALL THE SOUTH PIECE OF THE SOUTH ONE.
WHAT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT AREA THAT IS.
THERE IS ANOTHER ENTRANCE THERE TOO.
BUT OF COURSE IN THERE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THE WHOLE LENGTH OF THE, OF THE SHOPPING, SHOPPING CENTER.
SO ONE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, 'CAUSE I WE'RE GONNA CLOSE FOR TONIGHT, SHORTLY.
I REALLY WANT THE REASON WHY WE'RE FOCUSING ON QSS ON QUICK SERVE AND SIT DOWN.
AND THE REASON I ASK MR. NULL THE QUESTION AGAIN, KNOWING ABOUT THE BUSINESS A LITTLE BIT AND KNOWING ABOUT DAY PARKS, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT REQUESTING A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION, TYPICALLY THE KINDS OF SHARED PARKING REDUCTIONS YOU WANT TO GIVE ARE WHEN THERE ARE COMPLIMENTARY PEAK HOURS.
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ONE, THE PEAK HOUR IS SEVEN O'CLOCK AND ONE'S AT NOON.THAT'S A, THAT'S WHAT SHARED PARKING IS FOR TYPICALLY.
UM, AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE THE BEST REASON FOR SHARED PARKING.
SO LOOKING AT THE DAY PART USE OF THOSE USES SIT DOWN RESTAURANTS AND CLICK SERVE IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
AND IT ALSO TO MICHAEL GOLDEN'S POINT, THEY'RE NOT ONLY DIFFERENT WITHIN THE REALM OF Q S R VERSUS UH, A FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT, THEY'RE EVEN DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON WHO GOES IN THERE.
IF IT'S SOMEBODY WHO HAS A, A BREAKFAST MENU, OKAY, THEY MAY SKEW MORE EARLY.
IF IT'S SOMEBODY LIKE A SUBWAY GOES IN THERE, 70% OF SUBWAY'S BUSINESSES BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 11 AND TWO.
SO HAVING MORE INFORMATION, I KNOW YOU CAN'T DO IT EXACTLY, BUT HAVING SOME IDEA OF WHAT MIGHT GO IN THERE IS SOMETHING YOU NEED.
AND AGAIN, I SUGGEST YOU LOOK NATIONAL RESTAURANT ASSOCIATION OR ONE OF THE, THE RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO DO THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THERE IS, THERE ARE STUDIES DONE ON DAY, PART BY, BY TYPE, AND MAYBE EVEN DAY PART BY BRAND.
I THINK THAT MAY BE EVEN AVAILABLE.
SO I, I SUGGEST YOU LOOK AT THAT.
UM, I'M THINKING THAT WE CLOSE FOR TONIGHT, UNLESS MR. NOLL OR ANYBODY WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE TONIGHT? NO, I THINK, I THINK IT, YOU'VE GIVEN US PLENTY TO THINK ABOUT AND TO COME BACK TO YOU ABOUT, UH, AND WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME AND CONSIDERATION YOU PROVIDED TONIGHT.
I JUST WANNA SAY, MS. DENE, WE, WE, WE DON'T LIKE TO HAVE EMPTY, EMPTY RETAIL SPACES EITHER.
IT DOESN'T HELP THE DOWN OF GREENBERG.
UM, THIS IS JUST A VERY DIFFICULT SITE.
SO WE REALLY HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THIS AND FIND, TO MAKE THIS WORK.
WE HAVE TO BE SURE, OKAY, WE, WE UNDERSTAND AND THAT THAT'S WHY WE SPEND SO MUCH TIME TRYING TO IMPROVE THE SITE CIRCULATION TO GET THE BEST, BEST RESULT OUT OF WHAT WE'VE GOT.
AND TO MAKE IT SO THAT IT CAN BE PRODUCTIVE FOR EVERYBODY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION, UH, FOLKS AT J M C AND, UM, AND YOU GUYS, AND CUTTING FAVOR.
AND WE'LL SEE YOU THE NEXT TIME.
AARON, ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO PUT THIS BACK ON FOR THE NEXT, UH, MEETING IN JULY? WELL, I THINK, UM, IT'D BE GOOD TO GET A SENSE FROM THE APPLICANT OF WHEN THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, PREPARE AND PROVIDE RESPONSES.
OUR NEXT MEETING IS TYPICALLY, OUR MEETINGS ARE EVERY TWO WEEKS.
TURNS OUT THERE'S AN EXTRA WEEK IN BETWEEN HERE.
OUR NEXT MEETING IS NOT UNTIL JULY 6TH.
UH, SO WE WOULD HAVE A DEADLINE FOR SUBMITTAL OF TWO WEEKS FROM THIS EVENING, WHICH IS THE 29TH.
IF YOU THINK YOU CAN HAVE SOMETHING IN FOR THE 29TH, THERE COULD BE CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO PUTTING THIS BACK ON THE SIXTH.
OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE JULY 20TH.
SO WE CAN CONTINUE AND HAVE AN OPEN LINE COMMUNICATION OF, UH, UH, REGARDING THE, UH, NEXT DATE.
YEAH, LET US KNOW AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND, WE HAVE ONLY THREE MEETINGS DURING THE SUMMER, TWO IN JULY AND ONE IN AUGUST.
SO IF WE WANT TO KEEP THIS GOING ALONG, OKAY.
EVEN IF, IF YOU, IF YOU WANNA TELL US, I'M HAPPY THAT WELL, WE CAN ANSWER HALF PART OF IT.
YOU WANNA COME BACK AND I'LL ALLOCATE YOU A HALF AN HOUR OR SOMETHING ON THAT NIGHT TO GET SOME OF THIS STUFF OUT OF THE WAY.
WE CAN DO THAT TOO, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE EVERY ANSWER AND STILL COME BACK IN JULY SO THAT WE CAN KEEP MOVING THE THING ALONG.
WE'LL TRY AND GET BACK TO, UH, YOUR STAFF, UH, IN THE NEXT DAY OR SO.
UM, THE LAST BUSINESS OF THE NIGHT IS A CASE THAT WE HAVE SEEN BEFORE.
IT'S, UH, TOWN BOARD 1802, WHICH IS ELM, THE ELMWOOD PRESERVE, EIGHT 50 DOBBS FERRY ROAD, UH, IN PO BOX WHITE PLAINS.
IT'S FOR ZONING MAP AMENDMENT.
LAST WE SAW THIS, WE WERE DOING FINDINGS UNDER SEEKER LAST.
WE SAW THIS, WE HAD RECOMMENDED TO THE TOWN BOARD THAT THEY DO A TOWNHOUSES THERE.
THE TOWN, THE TOWN BOARD DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED TO DO, UH, WHAT IS CALLED ALTERNATIVE H INSTEAD, WHICH IS 113 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UH, AS PART OF THIS AND PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION, 'CAUSE WE KIND OF HAD A SENSE THAT'S WHERE THE TOWN BOARD WAS GONNA END UP.
GOOD EVENING, MR. STEINITZ, BY THE WAY.
UM, THE, THE, WHERE THE TOWN BOARD WAS GONNA END UP IS WE HAD, AS A SECONDARY RECOMMENDATION, RECOMMENDED THE POSSIBILITY OF A CD OVERLAY BECAUSE IT, IT CONSERVED, UH, MORE LAND, UM, TO OUR PLEASANT SURPRISE.
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INTO THE TOWN BOARD REQUESTING THAT AND DONATING ADDITIONAL, UH, IS IT 4.6 ACRES? I BELIEVE IT IS TO THE TOWN FOR THE, UH, PARK AS PART OF THAT 14.1 I BELIEVE.NO, THE ADDITIONAL PART I'M TALKING ABOUT FORGIVE.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT HAS BEEN DONE.
UM, SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO NOW IS TURN IT OVER TO MR. STEINMAN'S TEAM.
I'D LIKE YOU TO GO THROUGH THE, UH, REVISED PLAN AND SHOW PEOPLE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
UM, THE ONE THING I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED OUT ABOUT FROM, FROM, UH, THE APPLICANT IS I WAS REALLY HOPING THE CHART THAT THEY HAD PUT IN THE F F E I S, WHICH HAD ALL THE IMPACTS I WOULD'VE LOVED IF YOU HAD TONIGHT.
AND I UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T, THAT THOSE NUMBERS LIKE DISTURBANCE AND ALL THOSE THINGS, THAT LITTLE CHART THAT TAKE ALTERNATIVE H AND TAKE ALTERNATIVE HA WE CAN CALL IT.
AND JUST SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON.
RIGHT? I'D JUST LOVE TO SEE THAT.
'CAUSE I THINK THE DISTURBANCE IS PROBABLY SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN THE OTHER ONE I'D LOVE TO SEE.
BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE, SEE THAT QUANTIFIED.
AND OUR GOAL TONIGHT, MRS. STEINS, WE ARE NOT GONNA MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT, BUT WE'RE GONNA PREPARE A DECISION FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
SO I WOULD HOPE WE WOULD GET THAT INFORMATION PRIOR TO PREPARING, PREPARING A DECISION AT THE NEXT MEETING.
THE RECOMMENDATION TO MCDONALD BOARD.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, DAVID STEINMETZ FROM THE LAW FIRM OF ZARIN AND STEINMETZ REPRESENTING RIDGEWOOD.
UM, I'M JOINED THIS EVENING BY, UH, OUR CLIENTS, JONATHAN REBO AND BRETT OWINGS FROM RIDGEWOOD AND JAMES CARIS FROM J M C PLANNING AND ENGINEERING.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYONE ELSE FROM J M C UH, WITH US AT THIS POINT.
UM, THEY SAVED THE BEST WITH JAMES FOR LAST.
SO, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK YOU DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF SUMMARIZING, UM, UH, WHAT, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
UM, I THINK YOU CAN TELL OUR CLIENTS ARE LISTENING.
THEY'RE CERTAINLY LISTENING TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND WHAT YOU HAD PRESENTED IN YOUR FINDINGS.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD BE KIDDING YOU IF I SAID WE WERE, UH, ANYTHING OTHER THAN DISAPPOINTED WITH THE TOWN BOARD'S DETERMINATION.
UM, BUT THEY DID WHAT THEY DID AND WE HAVE TO MOVE ON.
HAVING SAID THAT, JONATHAN BRETT, THEIR COLLEAGUES AND OUR TEAM HAVE DECIDED THAT THE PRUDENT THING TO DO IS TO EXPLORE AND TO ATTEMPT TO SECURE APPROVAL OF THE CD OVERLAY VERSION OF THE 113 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE THE BOARD, UH, WITH THE ADDITIONAL KIND OF COMPARATIVE DATA IN THE CHART THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
I JAMES MAY EVEN BE ABLE TO ANSWER SOME OF THAT TONIGHT ON THE FLY HE MAY HAVE BETWEEN JAMES AND JONATHAN.
THEY MAY HAVE SOME OF THAT DATA.
WE CAN CERTAINLY PRESENT THAT.
UM, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'D LIKE TO ACHIEVE TONIGHT, WE WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU THE PLAN.
LET JAMES, UH, AND JONATHAN AND BRETT EXPLAIN WHY WE'VE DONE WHAT WE'VE DONE IN TERMS OF THE ORIENTATION OF THE LOTS, THE ROADS.
WE ABSOLUTELY THINK WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT, UM, WORKS WELL HERE.
UM, I I DO WANT TO COME BACK AND DISCUSS PROCESS WITH YOU.
I DON'T NEED TO START WITH THAT, BUT I WOULD ASK THAT YOU LEAVE A FEW MINUTES AT THE END FOR US TO DISCUSS PROCESS.
'CAUSE WE THINK WE'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT ESSENTIALLY IS QUITE STRAIGHTFORWARD AND IN FACT FOLLOWS THE LEAD OF THE PLANNING BOARD IN YOUR FINDING.
HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU WANT AT THE END OF THIS TIME? AND I'LL WATCH IT FOR YOU.
FIVE, 10 MINUTES TO DISCUSS PROCESS.
UM, SO THAT, UH, WE, WE, WE CAN TRY TO HANDLE THIS AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE.
AND LAST THING I'LL SAY, AND I'M GONNA HAND THE BATON TO JAMES, WE DEEM THIS EVENING TO KIND OF BE A COMBINATION OF DISCUSSING THE REFERRAL OF THE CD OVERLAY PETITION THAT I FILED WITH THE TOWN BOARD AND JAMES.
AND I THINK THAT TONIGHT FOLKS WE'RE KIND OF KICKING OFF ON SKETCH PLAN FOR 113 SINGLES UNDER A CD CONCEPT.
SO, SO WE'RE, WE'RE, AS I'VE DISCUSSED WITH BOTH GARRETT AND AARON PRIOR TO TONIGHT, THAT SHOULD NOT COME AS A SURPRISE.
WE'RE TRYING AT THIS POINT, FOUR AND A HALF YEARS AFTER STARTING THIS PROCESS TO BE AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE.
UM, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND SHARE MY SCREEN HERE IF I CAN.
AND WHAT I WANNA START WITH IS ALTERNATIVE H WHICH IS WHAT THE TOWN BOARD WAS, UH, RECOMMENDING WITH ITS, UH, FINDINGS DIRECTIVE.
UH, ALTERNATIVE H INCLUDED 113 SINGLE FAMILY, UH, RESIDENTIAL LOTS WITH 109 WEST OF THE CONED PROPERTY.
AND WITH FOUR UH, UNITS EAST OF THE PROPERTY, UH, ALONG DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
UH, ONLY HAD AN 8.6 ACRE, UH, PARKLAND DEDICATION.
AND IT ALSO HAD THREE NEW CURB CUTS ALONG DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
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UH, MAINTAINED THE UNDERLYING ZONING OF R 20 AND R 30.AND, UH, ESSENTIALLY, UM, WAS THE DENSITY THAT WAS PERMITTED BY THIS ZONING AND, UM, PREFERRED BY THE TOWN BOARD.
UM, WHAT WE HAVE, UM, DECIDED TO, UH, TO PURSUE IS, UM, A CONSERVATION DISTRICT, UM, SUBDIVISION PLAN.
UM, THIS IS A CONCEPT THAT IS IN SKETCH REVIEW, UH, FORM AT THE MOMENT.
UM, BUT, UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, ON THE SURFACE YOU HAVE A LOT OF, UH, PRESERVED GREEN OPEN SPACE.
YOU HAVE 113 RESIDENTIAL LOTS CUT ENTIRELY ON THE WEST OF THE, UH, CONED PROPERTY LINES FOCUSED ON THE LARGER OF THE TWO PARCELS.
YOU HAVE AN ENTIRE, UH, PARKLAND DEDICATION OF THE EASTERN PARCEL, TOTALING 14.2 ACRES.
AND WE REDUCED ONE RESIDENTIAL CURB CUT ALONG DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
AND WE MAINTAIN THE TWO NEW CURB CUTS ALONG DOBBS FERRY ROAD THAT WERE PART OF EACH ALTERNATIVE THAT WAS STUDIED.
THAT INCLUDES A FULL MOVEMENT DRIVEWAY OPPOSITE TO CHELSEA SENIOR LIVING AND A RESTRICTED RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT MOVEMENT DRIVEWAY.
UH, OPPOSITE WESTCHESTER VIEW LANE.
THE, UM, CONSERVATION DISTRICT, UH, SUBDIVISION ALLOWS US TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, UM, PRESERVING OPEN SPACE, UM, AND ALSO TAKING ADVANTAGE OF REDUCED, UM, LOT SIZES AND SETBACKS FOR EACH OF THE LOTS.
SO, UH, THE 113 LOTS THAT ARE SHOWN HERE ARE A MINIMUM OF 18,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE, AND THEY GO UP FROM THERE TO AROUND 20,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
SO THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE EXISTING R 20 ZONING AND ALSO THE EXISTING R 10 ZONING THAT IS TO THE NORTH AND TO THE WEST OF THE SITE HERE.
SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S VERY COMPATIBLE AS A TRANSITION, UM, ZONE.
UH, AS FAR AS THE EXISTING HOME SIZES AND EXISTING LOT SIZES THAT YOU SEE, UM, SIGNIFICANT OPEN SPACES IS ABLE TO BE PRESERVED HERE ON THIS, UH, IN THIS PLAN.
UM, I BELIEVE THE NUMBERS HERE, UH, PRELIMINARILY, WHAT WE QUANTIFIED WAS, UH, APPROXIMATELY, UH, 25, UH, 0.2 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE SLASH CONSERVATION AREA ON THE, UH, WESTERN PARCEL, UH, ON ITS OWN.
AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU HAVE THE 14.2 ACRES TO THE EAST FROM TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 39 ACRES OVERALL FOR THE TWO PARCELS.
SO THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT, UH, OPEN SPACE, UH, PRESERVATION THAT, UH, WE HOPE TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE HERE.
AND THAT'S TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE EXISTING POND AND WETLAND BUFFERS HERE INTO THE EAST, UH, NORTHEAST OF THE SITE.
AND THEN ALSO YOU CAN SEE CLUSTERED IN THESE TIGHT BANDS OF CONTOURS IN THESE DARKER AREAS, AREAS OF EXISTING STEEP SLOPES AND, UH, EXISTING, UH, NATURAL FEATURES THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO TRY TO BE ABLE TO PRESERVE.
AND THAT NOT ONLY PROVIDES MORE OPEN SPACE, BUT IT, UH, REDUCES THE, UH, EARTHWORK IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT AND REDUCES THE NUMBERS OF TREES THAT NEED TO BE REMOVED AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND IT ALSO ESTABLISHES, UH, POTENTIAL STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREAS, UH, UH, DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
UM, WHICH ARE, UM, FAIRLY CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE MORE DETAILED PLANS THAT WERE DEVELOPED UNDER THE, UM, UH, F E I S PLAN AND THE D E I S PLAN.
UM, THE CIRCULATION THROUGH THE SITE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ROADWAYS WERE CONSIDERED, UM, WITH REGARD TO THE EXISTING TOPOGRAPHY, UM, TO TRY TO WORK WITH THAT TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE.
UM, I WILL ALSO ADD THAT UNDER THE, UM, UH, ALTERNATIVE H PLAN, THERE WERE, UH, TWO PROPOSED DRIVEWAY, UH, CURB CUTS ALONG WORTHINGTON ROAD TO SERVE TWO LOTS OF THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION.
UH, THOSE LOTS NOW ARE PROPOSED TO HAVE FRONTAGE ON THIS ROAD, INTERIOR TO THE SITE, THEREBY ELIMINATING THOSE, UH, POTENTIAL ROADWAY, UH, CURB CUTS AS WELL.
SO, UM, WE THINK THAT THIS IS A GREAT, UM, UH, COMPROMISE OR GREAT DIRECTION THAT WE COULD TAKE THIS PROJECT.
UM, AND, UH, WE'LL, UH, TURN IT OVER BACK OVER TO DAVID OR TO, UH, JONATHAN OR BRETT, UH, TO, UH, TO ADD ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE.
JONATHAN, DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING BEFORE I, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY TOOK, UH, O OBVIOUSLY AS DAVID SAID, WE WERE DISAPPOINTED THAT, THAT WHAT WE BELIEVED WAS A, WAS A BETTER LAND USE PLAN AND LESS DISTURBANCE WASN'T ACCEPTED BY THE BY TOWN COUNCIL.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE APPRECIATED THE, THE LEAD THAT YOU TOOK IN, IN, IN SUGGESTING THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT OVERLAY.
UH, WE THINK IT'S A GREAT PLAN.
WE THINK IT'S AT, AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS FOR, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS LATER, UH, COMING UP ON FIVE YEARS, UH, UH, A WIN-WIN.
UM, AND JUST HOPE, FRANKLY, TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD, UH, AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE.
AND, AND, UH, HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, FIRST OF ALL, YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS SO WE WERE ALIGNED WITH YOU, WITH YOU GUYS
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YES.FROM A LAND USE POINT OF VIEW.
UM, I THINK WE WERE TALKING, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE ORIGINAL ONE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE'RE, UH, TALKING ABOUT THE STRAIGHTENING OF THE EXIT, UH, FROM THE SPRAIN TO ALIGN IT, WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS AGREED TO, WOULD'VE BEEN AGREED TO UNDER THE TOWNHOUSE OR WHERE UNDER UNDER THE WE, WE'VE NEVER, YEAH, I MEAN, UH, GREAT MEMORY, BUT WE, WE HAD NEVER, WHAT OUR PROPOSAL WAS IS THAT WE WERE GIVING ENOUGH LAND THAT THAT COULD BE REALIGNED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE TOWN AND THE STATE D O T AT, AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
UM, WHICH WE THINK IN THIS PLAN CAN STILL BE ACCOMPLISHED, BUT WE'VE NEVER OFFERED TO, UM, PARTICIPATE MORE THAN, THAN GIVING THE LAND.
SO, SO IRRESPECTIVE OF WHETHER IT'S SINGLE FAMILY OR TOWNHOUSE, THAT WAS NEVER YOUR PLAN TO GIVE THAT.
I JUST WANTED NO, OUR PLAN TO GIVE IT, NOT CONSTRUCT IT.
I JUST WANTED TO, TO, TO, TO CLARIFY THAT.
THE SECOND THING, THE ONE SAD PART ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING IS WE HAD 14 AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT WE NO LONGER HAVE.
AND THIS WAS, THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WAS, AND THAT'S AS A RESULT OF THE FACT THAT RESIDENTIAL AREAS ARE NOT CURRENTLY PART OF THE, UH, 10% CALLBACK.
AND IT'S, IT, IT IS UNFORTUNATE AND DISAPPOINTING IN A DEVELOPMENT THIS SIZE THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING SOME KIND OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING OUT OF THAT.
AND, AND I WANTED, I WANT THAT ON THE PUBLIC RECORD TO SAY THAT.
AND I BELIEVE MY COLLEAGUES ON THE PLANNING BOARD SHARE SHARE THAT, THAT, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU'D BE KIND ENOUGH TO JUST LET ME FOLLOW, JUST FOR THE RECORD BEHIND YOUR COMMENT.
AND I JUST WANNA STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT MY CLIENT SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME AND ENERGY WITH TOWN BOARD AND TOWN STAFF AND AGREED VOLUNTARILY TO AND PROPOSED AFFORDABLE UNITS IN CONNECTION WITH THAT, THAT WERE NOT REQUIRED UNDER THE PUD.
'CAUSE YOUR PUD DOESN'T REQUIRE EITHER, RIGHT? IT'S STILL A RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
SO, SO THIS WAS THIS AND MR. SCHWARZ, WE JUST, DAVID, TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, I FRANKLY THOUGHT THAT WAS GONNA BE THE SWING.
I REALLY, IN THE END OF THE DAY, THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE SWING TO TAKE THAT TOWNHOUSE PLAN, UM, THROUGH YEAH.
BUT, BUT IT WASN'T, AND, UH, WELL, I, I I THINK IT WAS MORE THAN THAT.
I MEAN, THERE WERE, THERE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVES, THERE WAS, WE DON'T NEED TO GO BACK INTO IT.
IT'S WATER OVER THE, IT'S WATER OVER THE DAM.
THE OTHER THING IS I GOT A HEADS UP FROM THE C A C CHAIR, UH, THIS MORNING.
UM, AND I KNOW YOU WERE BEFORE THEM TOMORROW NIGHT, I BELIEVE TOMORROW NIGHT.
NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF BEFORE THE CAC.
I THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, NO.
I, I HAVEN'T BEEN ADVISED OF ANY DATE OKAY.
THAT THE C A C HAS INVITED THE APPLICANT TO OKAY.
I KNOW THAT THEY'VE, I KNOW THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT 'CAUSE I TALKED TO BOTH THE CHAIR, THE VICE CHAIR OF THE C A C.
THEY ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU A PREVIEW OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
I DON'T THINK, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE.
THEY, THEY WANT A COVENANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE GREEN SPACES ARE NOT DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR YOU GUYS.
THE ONE THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AGREES TO MAINTAIN THOSE AREAS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.
AND, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AS A BOARD OF WHETHER WE THINK THAT SHOULD BE A CONDITION OR NOT.
THE OTHER ONE THAT THEY WANTED, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COST OF THIS IS, THEY WANTED THE HOMEOWNERS TO PAY FOR THE WESTCHESTER LAND TRUST TO MONITOR THE, THOSE GREEN SPACES.
WELL, MR. SCHWARZ, I, I'LL COMMENT ON THE FIRST TWO.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION IN HERE BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN WITH THE OPEN SPACE TO TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING WEST OF THE, OBVIOUSLY THE 14 ACRES IS, IS THE TOWN'S RESPONSIBILITY.
BUT WE, WE'VE, DAVID AND I, AND, AND OUR, AND BRETT HAVE HAD THE CONVERSATION AND, AND JAMES HAVE HAD THE CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED AN, THAT THERE WILL BE AN H O A IN HERE TO MAINTAIN, AT THE VERY LEAST, TO MAINTAIN THE GREEN SPACES.
IT'S WHY WHEN WE GET INTO IT A LITTLE FURTHER, WE, IN SOME ITERATIONS, WE HAD SOME OTHER, WE MADE OUR GREEN SPACES ON PURPOSE LIKE THIS BECAUSE IT BECAME EASIER TO MAINTAIN.
WE HAD IT A LITTLE BIT MORE SPREAD OUT, UM MM-HMM.
UH, MORE AREAS OF GREEN, MORE SPREAD OUT.
BUT WE REALIZED THAT THAT ACTUALLY BECAME MUCH HARDER FOR THE H O A TO MAINTAIN, UM, OKAY.
IT WOULD START BLEEDING INTO PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS INSTEAD OF BEING CONSERVED OPEN SPACE.
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LOT OF THE J M C DESIGN, UM, THAT THEY THOUGHT THEY PUT BEHIND THIS DESIGN.SO WE'RE ON BOARD WITH THE FIRST COUPLE WE'RE, I COULD TELL YOU, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE PAYING FOR SOMEBODY ELSE TO WATCH OVER US.
I MEAN, I THINK THE TOWN, UM, OKAY.
THE TOWN'S CODE ENFORCEMENT, UH, JUST, UH, JUST GIVEN YOUR PREVIEW OF WHAT THEY
I THINK THE TOWN'S CODE ENFORCEMENT SURELY IS STRONG ENOUGH TO SAY IF THE H O I WASN'T DOING THEIR JOB.
ONE J JONATHAN LEMME MR. SIMMONS JUST VERY, VERY, VERY BRIEFLY JUST TO ON, ON, I SO APPRECIATE YOU SHARING, UM, THE C A C PREVIEW WITH US.
I WOULD STATE HUGH AARON GARRETT, IF THE C A C IS GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THIS APPLICATION AT A, AT AN OFFICIAL MEETING, MAKE SURE SOMEBODY DOES LET US KNOW SO THAT WE'RE, WE ARE APPRISED AND WE CAN, WE CAN AT LEAST WATCH OR PARTICIPATE.
AND LASTLY, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I, I AGREE WITH, I KNEW JONATHAN WOULD SAY WHAT HE, WHAT HE DID.
I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN THAT LORI INGER AND W W L T WESTCHESTER LAND TRUST WOULD NOT COME IN AND STEWARD THIS.
IT'S DIS IT'S NOT CONNECTED TO ANYTHING ELSE.
THEY DON'T STEWARD, UM, UN UH, SMALL DISCONNECTED LITTLE AREAS.
I, I DEAL WITH LORI AND W L T ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
FAIRLY CERTAIN THAT THEY WOULDN'T, BUT CERTAINLY IF THE TOWN WANTS TO HAVE A LOCAL LAND TRUST OR THEY WANT TO ASK THE LAND TRUST TO COME IN AND KEEP AN EYE ON IT, THAT THAT'S SUITABLE.
OR AS JONATHAN SAID, LET LET YOU KNOW.
I'M SURE GARRETT AND AARON HAVE NOTHING TO DO.
THEY'LL PATROL THIS WHENEVER YOU WANT THEM TO.
THEY'RE ANOTHER 24 HOURS IN AARON STATE FOR SURE.
AARON AARON'S GOT PLENTY OF TIME TO DO THIS.
IT, IT MIGHT BE, IT MIGHT BE A GOOD RETIREMENT PROJECT FOR ME, DAVID.
ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT I WANNA TURN IT OVER TO THE, TO THE REST OF THE BOARD.
UM, AND ACTUALLY ASK YOU TO TAKE THE SCREEN THERE.
'CAUSE I CAN'T SEE THE REST OF THE BOARD.
UM, UH, IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITIES OF ANY WALKING TRAILS THROUGH THOSE GREEN SPACES? YOU KNOW, WE, WE SPENT SOME, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY, MR. SCHWARTZ.
UM, IT'S STILL BEING LOOKED AT.
WE, WHEN WE HAD, AS I SORT OF ON A, ON A SECOND NOTE TO WHAT I SAID BEFORE ABOUT HAVING, UM, MORE SKINNY GREEN SPACES, UM, WE THOUGHT IT COULD WORK THAT WAY, THAT YOU COULD WALK.
AND, BUT WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU STILL HAVE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND PEOPLE DO KIND OF GET UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN PEOPLE ARE WALKING.
WHAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, THROUGH AND BEHIND SOMEBODY'S HOMES? UM, THAT WE HAD A HARD TIME AND THERE'LL BE SIDEWALKS, OBVIOUSLY, UM, YOU KNOW, BOTH IN FRONT AND THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT WE DID GET A LITTLE, WE, WE DID STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT TO TRY TO WIND IT THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
'CAUSE IT FELT LIKE IT COULD BE CONSTRUED IN THE WRONG WAY.
THAT PEOPLE ARE JUST IN OTHERS' BACKYARDS.
ANYBODY FROM THE BOARD? I DON'T SEE ANY HANDS UP.
I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY'S AWAKE.
JUST A QUICK NOTE, UH, JUST TO FOLLOW UP VERY QUICKLY ON THAT THE PLAN DOES SHOW, UM, TO OVER HILL ROAD OF PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I, I LIKE TO SAY, MR. SIMONS, WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOUR, UH, ORGANIZATION CONSIDERED, UH, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
EVEN THOUGH THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, WE DID NOT, IT WASN'T MANDATORY FOR YOU TO PUT THAT IN THE PLAN.
BUT NOW THAT THIS IS SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT AT ALL MANDATORY, HAVE NOTHING IN YOUR CODE THAT SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO PUT IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I JUST ASK THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF, IF THERE IS ANY POSSIBILITY YOU COULD PUT IN SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
OTHER THING I WANT TO REFER YOU TO IS THE JUNE, UH, THIS MONTH'S, UH, ISSUE OF, UH, UH, UM, THE A A R P, UH, THAT HAD A WHOLE ARTICLE.
BUT I JUST WANNA QUOTE ONE, ONE PARAGRAPH, UH, THAT I THINK MIGHT BE APPLICABLE TO THIS DEVELOPER.
MOST AMERICANS DO NOT WANT THIS.
THEY TOOK A SURVEY, UH, UH, UH, OF THE A R P AND SAID, MOST AMERICANS DO NOT WANT TO LIVE IN SUCH LOCATION.
THAT MEANS THEY, UH, MOVING OUTTA STATE AND LIVING IN SOME OTHER STATE.
UM, RATHER FOR FAR MORE FAR, I'M SORRY, FAR RATHER FAR MORE.
SURVEY RESPONDENTS OF THESE EARTH RESPOND OF A A A SAID THEY WANT TO REMAIN IN THEIR OWN HOME AS THEY AGE.
UNFORTUNATELY, FEW HOMES IN THE PAST WERE DEVELOPED WITH OLDER PEOPLE IN MIND.
AS AMERICANS, POPULATION A AND MORE HOMES BECOME
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MULTI-GENERATIONAL.THE MORE WE CAN CAN BUILD FOREVER HOMES, THAT WILL BE THE VERY FIRST START.
SO IN DESIGNING THESE HOMES, I ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT, THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO REMAIN IN THE HOME THAT THEY BUY, THEY WANNA AGE IN THE HOME.
AND WHETHER OR NOT THESE HOMES CAN BE DESIGNED IN THE, AT LEAST SOME OF, NOT ALL, BUT SOME OF THOSE HOMES BE DESIGNED IN, IN A WAY THAT A PERSON WHO PURCHASED THEM COULD ACTUALLY STAY THERE FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.
SO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT, THAT IN, UM, UH, THE AA R P JUNE 20, UH, JUNE, THIS MONTH'S AA R P.
SO I ASKED YOU TO CONSIDER THAT ALSO.
WE CERTAINLY WILL JUST, JUST YOU, YOU PROBABLY SOME, YOU COULD PROBABLY PREDICT MY RESPONSE.
WE WANTED TO DO AGE RESTRICTED ACTIVE ADULT HOUSING.
GUYS, I BANGED MY HEAD AGAINST THE WALL FOR FOUR YEARS TRYING TO ACHIEVE THAT IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
SECONDLY, I LOVE THE COMMENT ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SHOW OF HANDS, HOW MANY OF YOU WERE AT THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY ASSOCIATION CONFERENCE ON MAY 24TH ON THE HOUSING CRISIS IN NEW YORK STATE? NONE.
I WAS, I WAS ON TODAY'S CONFERENCE THOUGH.
HOUSING CRISIS IN NEW YORK STATE.
IT WAS ATTENDED ON MAY 24TH IN THE WESTCHESTER COUNTRY CLUB BY GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, DEVELOPERS, CONSULTANTS.
WE SPENT TWO HOURS TALKING ABOUT THE NEED FOR HOUSING IN OUR COUNTY, IN OUR STATE.
I WAS SHOCKED THAT GREENBERG HAD NO PRESENCE THERE.
'CAUSE WE WERE ALL TALKING ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS.
SO WE'RE WITH YOU, MR. MR. FORGE.
I, I NEED TO, I NEED TO, UH, RESPOND TO, TO THE HONORABLE MR. STEINS IN TERMS OF WHEN, WHEN HE TRASHES TRASHES MY TOWN A LITTLE BIT.
UM, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT THE PLANNING BOARD IN MAY RECOMMENDED THE ESTABLISHMENT OF, OF AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND ADDRESS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT ALL LEVELS.
WHOEVER JUST TURNED ON THEIR MIC, TURNED IT OFF.
SO WE, WE AND THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE, ARE AWARE OF IT AND WE'RE VERY AGGRESSIVE ABOUT IT.
WE HAVE BOTH OF US ON THIS BOARD HAVE BEEN ATTENDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING SEMINARS FOR THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
SO PLEASE, UH, DON'T INCLUDE US IN THAT.
ALSO, IN TERMS OF THE BOARD, UH, COUNCIL PERSON, JACKSON, GINA JACKSON IS ABOUT TO RELEASE A REPORT THAT INCLUDES A RECOMMENDATION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING ON A REGULAR BASIS.
AND MR. DUQUE AND THE OTHER 24 HOURS HE HAS IN A DAY HAS BEEN ALSO SPENDING TIME.
AND WE'VE BEEN BOUNCING IDEAS OFF OF WHAT WE CAN DO NOT ONLY WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT SOMETHING ELSE NEAR AND DEAR TO YOUR H YOUR HEART, UH, AND WITH SOME OF YOUR CLIENTS, WHICH, WHAT, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO SENIOR HOUSING GOING FORWARD TOO? SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IT ISN'T JUST THE ASSISTED LIVING.
WE NEED OTHER OPTIONS FOR SENIORS BESIDES SENIOR LIVING.
IT NEEDS TO BE A DIVERSIFICATION.
A DIVERSIFICATION OF HOUSING IS VERY IMPORTANT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE FIND FROM AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND NEW JERSEY'S BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT OF THAT IS, IS THAT THEY'VE STRUGGLED A LOT WITH TRYING TO DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS BECAUSE THE COST OF OWNERSHIP CAN BE VERY HIGH.
BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A DIVERSIFICATION OF HOUSING AND YOU HAVE TOWNHOUSES THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN APARTMENTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK BECAUSE OF OUR APPLICATION, BECAUSE OF SINGLE FAM, BECAUSE THERE WASN'T A, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR SINGLE FAMILIES.
AND YOU'LL HAVE DEVELOPERS MORE WILLING TO DO SINGLE, TO DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING IF YOU WOULD ALLOW THEM TO DO A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TYPE OF PRODUCT.
MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, MAYBE IT'S ATTACHED.
IT'S JUST, JUST THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF OPTIONS.
THERE THERE ARE A LOT OF OPTIONS.
MR. SI, MR. SIMON, GO RIGHT AHEAD.
I JUST WANNA MAKE A CLARIFICATION.
UH, AGE RESTRICTED HOUSING AND, AND, AND LIVING IN, UH, IN PLACE DOESN'T, DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THE SAME THING.
I, WE'LL GET OFF OUR SOAPBOX FOR A MINUTE.
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YOU FOR THE COMMENT.LOOKS LIKE MR. DESAI IS A COMMENT.
YEAH, I THINK, UH, UH, LIKE, UH, EVERYBODY ELSE KIND OF, UM, DISAPPOINTED WITH THE OPPORTUNITY BASED BY THE TOWN, UH, WHICH WAS VERY EXCELLENT, UH, UH, PROPOSALS AND LAND USE THAT YOU HAD, UH, KIND OF DID AND WORKED WITH IT.
AND, UH, ALSO TO DAVID, UH, POINT THAT, UH, UH, POINTING, POINTING AT SORT OF, UH, DIRECTIONS THAT WE ALL SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHEN WE REQUIRE THE, THE APPLICANT TO DO THAT, IS ALSO VERY TIMELY.
UM, MY, UH, SORT OF QUESTION, WHICH IS ALSO, AND IT'S PROBABLY THE OWNER DRIVEN, UH, WHAT MADE YOU TO CHANGE FROM, UH, AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER IS IF YOU DON'T WANT TO, IS TO MAKE IT, UH, WHICH WAS SORT OF, UH, UH, KIND OF NOT AS EASY TO SELL, UH, PRODUCT, UH, TO CHANGE IT TO SINGLE FAMILY.
AND, AND, AND THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT, UH, IS IT, WHAT TIMEFRAME THAT YOU, YOU ARE SORT OF LOOKING AT IT TO HAVE THIS, UH, THIS 113 HOUSES BEING KIND OF OCCUPIED, UM, RIGHT, RIGHT AWAY.
I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS THAT WE'VE MISSED THAT THIS HAS TAKEN SO LONG THAT WE MISSED THE MARKET.
LOOK WHAT'S GOING ON THE LAST THREE WEEKS.
I MEAN, IF, IF THIS HASN'T TAKEN FIVE YEARS, YOU KNOW, I, I, I'D BE A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE.
BUT I, SO THE ANSWER IS, IS, YOU KNOW, IS THESE WILL SELL AS FAST AS THE MARKET WILL BEAR.
UM, AS I, YOU KNOW, FIVE MONTHS AGO, I WOULD'VE FELT, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN SOLD QUITE QUICKLY.
WE'LL SEE WHAT THE MARKET BEARS OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.
BUT, UM, SORRY, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION BEFORE.
MY QUESTION IS THAT, WHAT IS THE TIMEFRAME THAT YOU THINK ALL THE 113 HOUSES WOULD BE OCCUPIED? OH, UH, YOU KNOW, I I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A FOUR YEAR.
I, I THINK IT'S A FOUR, FOUR TO FIVE YEAR PROJECT.
I THINK IT'LL TAKE ABOUT A, YOU KNOW, NOT DEPENDING ON WEATHER, RIGHT? WE ALWAYS SAY WE'D LOVE TO COMPLETE THE IMPROVEMENTS IN NINE MONTHS, BUT IT, WE USUALLY PENCIL OUT A YEAR, AND THEN I THINK IT'S PROBABLY FOUR YEARS TO BUILD AND OCCUPY THE HOME.
SO I THINK IT'S FIVE YEARS TOTAL.
AND, AND MY, UH, SORT OF FOLLOW UP QUESTION, CONSIDERING THAT NEW YORK STATE IS LOOKING INTO IT AND IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO ALLOW, UH, SORT OF ACCESSORY DWELLING OR A D U, UH, WOULD THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT HAS A PROVISIONS THAT IT FITS MUCH MORE NICELY THAN OLDER HOMES? I, I DON'T, I DON'T, UM, I'LL EXPLAIN.
I, I I CAN, I CAN EXPLAIN TO YOU, UH, THE, UH, TO RELIEVE THE HOUSING CRISIS IN NEW YORK STATE, GOVERNOR HOKU PROPOSED IN THE LAST BUDGET TO BYPASS THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND ALLOW A HOMEOWNER TO PROVIDE A, ANOTHER, UH, DWELLING UNIT SO THAT IT HAS A DOUBLE THE STOCK OF THE HOUSING INTO THE NEW YORK STATE.
MY QUESTION WAS THAT, DO YOU, ARE I MEAN, OR ARE YOU CONSIDERING THAT IN YOUR, IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT, THAT COULD HAPPEN, WHICH WILL BE MORE EASIER FOR THE UH, OWNERS TO DO THAT IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO IT? WELL, IT'S LIKE THE CALIFORNIA LAW IN LA COUNTY, CORRECT? CORRECT.
I I, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WAS, WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT.
DO YOU, DO YOU CONSIDER THAT? I I DON'T KNOW.
I'D HAVE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT IT.
I WOULD IMAGINE GREENBERG'S NOT GONNA ALLOW THAT, BUT, UH, WELL, WE MAY NOT HAVE A CHOICE WHAT'S HAPPENING AS IT'S GOING AHEAD.
IT'S LIKE IN LA RIGHT? THEY DID THE SAME THING IN LA WHAT HAPPENED? NEW YORK IS A HOME RULE STATE.
CURRENTLY, THERE IS A, A TREND, WHICH IN FACT I'M NOT SURE I AGREE WITH.
BUT THERE, THERE IS A, A, A TREND UP IN ALBANY TO WANT TO TAKE SOME OF THAT HOME RULE AWAY BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THAT'S THE WAY TO GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THERE WERE TWO INITIATIVES THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT.
AND ADUS IS BASICALLY PUTTING LESS ADVANTAGED PEOPLE IN BASEMENTS AND IN ADDICTS.
SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
I DON'T PERSONALLY THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF RAMIFICATIONS TO THAT, THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED ON A LOCAL LEVEL, NOT AT A STATE LEVEL.
AND I'LL GO ON PUBLIC RECORD AS SAYING THAT, AND I WILL LOBBY TO THAT EFFECT AS CHAIR OF THE PLANNING BOARD, AS A PRIVATE, AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN, AS LONG AS I CAN.
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WAS A LOT OF OPPOSITION FROM PEOPLE LIKE ME AND FROM PLANNERS ABOUT, ABOUT THE A D U LEGISLATION, UH, THAT WAS IN, IT WAS IN HOSTEL'S BUDGET.THE OTHER THING WAS TO ALLOW FOR MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS CLOSER TO TRANSPORTATION.
WELL, IT'S ALREADY EXISTS IN WESTCHESTER.
THERE, THERE ARE APARTMENT BUILDINGS ALL ALONG THE METRO NORTH LINE ALREADY.
IT WOULD'VE ALLOWED THOUGH, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE WE JUST APPROVED THE FOUR HOUSES ALONG THE PIPELINE, WHAT THEY DID.
'CAUSE IT WAS CLOSE TO HEART, IF THEY PASSED THAT LEGISLATION, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN APARTMENT BUILDINGS OKAY.
THAT WE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT.
WELL, THEY TOOK AWAY LENVILLE.
SO IT'S, IT'S A VALID ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP.
UH, I HOPE THERE'S A BETTER SOLUTION THAN NEED TO USE TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, FRANKLY.
I THINK IT'S A TERRIBLE SOLUTION FOR LOTS OF REASONS, WHICH I WON'T GO INTO TONIGHT.
BUT I THINK THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION, NOT, NOT AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN.
IT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION OF IT.
ANYBODY ELSE? NO, WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A HAVE A QUESTION FOR THIS BEFORE? UH, WE TALK ABOUT HOUSEKEEPING AND WHERE WE GO FROM HERE? NO.
MR. STEINMAN, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU AS TO THANK YOU.
UM, TO, TO BE AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE.
WE WERE HOPING, UM, THAT YOUR BOARD COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THIS EVENING.
AND, AND HERE'S THE, HERE ARE THE REASONS, NUMBER ONE, YOU'VE KIND OF ALREADY PUT IT IN WRITING IN YOUR FINDINGS.
AS YOU KNOW, YOU CAREFULLY CRAFTED YOUR FINDINGS TO SAY, IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH US AND YOU DON'T REZONE THE PROPERTY AND YOU DON'T INVOKE THE P U D, YOU REALLY SHOULD CONSIDER THE CD OVERLAY.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD KNOW.
I SAID TO GARRETT AND AARON, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE PLANNING BOARD'S, UH, POSITION ON THIS, BUT IT NONETHELESS, THE REFERRAL WAS MADE BY THE TOWN BOARD LAST WEEK.
WE WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE YOU TO VOTE TONIGHT VERBALLY TO SEND THE MESSAGE.
THE PLANNING THE TOWN BOARD MEETS NEXT WEEK ON THE 22ND.
IF THEY MEET ON THE 22ND AND THEY SCHEDULE THE MANDATORY CD PUBLIC HEARING, WE HAVE A SHOT THAT IT GETS CONDUCTED IN THE MONTH OF JULY.
ALTERNATIVELY, WE MAY FIND OURSELVES WHERE THAT PUBLIC HEARING ON THE CD OVERLAY DOESN'T TAKE PLACE MAYBE UNTIL SEPTEMBER BECAUSE OF THE AU AUGUST CALENDAR.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM.
AND, AND FIRST OF ALL, I WISH YOU'D COME COMPLETELY BE HONEST, MR. STEINS.
I WISH YOU'D BECOME COMPLETELY PREPARED WITH THE NUMBERS TONIGHT AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN EASIER FOR US TO VOTE TONIGHT.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I WILL DO TONIGHT.
I WILL POLL EVERYBODY AS TO WHERE THEY ARE IN ALL FAIRNESS.
AND GARRETT, BEAR WITH ME HERE AND TELL ME IF I'M RIGHT ON THE SCHEDULE.
UH, 'CAUSE GARRETT AND I HAVE DISCUSSED THE SCHEDULE JUST YESTERDAY.
WHAT OUR PLAN ORIGINALLY WAS TO DO IS DO TWO THINGS.
FIRST OF ALL, WE WANNA DO A RECOMMENDATION AND AMENDED FINDINGS TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME.
JUST AMEND OUR FINDINGS TO INCLUDE THE CD OVERLAY.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE LEANING TOWARD, TOWARDS BEING IN FAVOR OF IT WAS OUR RECOMMENDATION TO PUT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
UM, I'D LIKE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE BUTTONED UP WHEN WE DO THAT THAN WE ARE CURRENTLY.
HOWEVER, THE PLAN THAT GARRETT AND I DISCUSSED YESTERDAY AND, AND TOM HAY AND AARON WERE THERE AS WELL.
AND MATT, DON'T FORGET ABOUT THAT.
UM, WE'RE ALL, ALL DISCUSSED THIS YESTERDAY, WAS THAT WE WOULD DISCUSS IT TONIGHT.
THEY WOULD PREPARE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FOR, AND THE REVISED FINDINGS FOR OUR MEETING ON THE 6TH OF JULY.
WE CAN STILL REPORT BACK TO THE, TO THE TOWN BOARD, WHAT WE'VE DIRECTED THE STAFF TO DO.
UM, AND THEN PUT THE OFFICIAL RECOMMENDATION IN, WHICH IS STILL BEFORE THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR MEETING.
UH, THAT MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE GARRETT, WHEN IS IT THE FIRST TO BOARDMAN THE 16TH OR SOMETHING? JULY 13TH.
IT LOOKS LIKE DAVID HAD A QUESTION OR A COMMENT ON DAVID FREE THERE.
UM, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE TOWN BOARD SCHEDULE.
IN ADDITION TO THE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE DIRECTED TO PREPARE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FOR JULY 6TH, WE WOULD ALSO, UM, PREPARE A MANDATED REPORT, WHICH IS REQUIRED WHEN THERE'S A, UH, A REFERRAL OF A ZONING, UH, UH, MAP AMENDMENT.
SO WE, WE WOULD PREPARE THE RECOMMENDATION REPORT ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING BOARD WHO COULD EXECUTE THAT ON JULY 6TH.
UM, I, I AM ACTUALLY RECOMMENDING TO THE TOWN BOARD THAT IT'S SET, UH, PUBLIC HEARING FOR JULY 13TH.
UM, SO, UH, THAT, THAT'S ALREADY IN, UH, IN PROCESS.
SO, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE THE TIME TO, YOU KNOW, DIGEST EVERYTHING WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT.
UH, WE'LL WORK WITH YOU ON A COUPLE STATISTICS, YOU KNOW, TREE REMOVALS, LAND DISTURBANCE, THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, TO BOLSTER THE, UH, FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND I THINK CHRONOLOGICALLY, UM,
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THAT WOULD, UM, SET US UP FOR THAT JULY 13TH, UH, TOWN BOARD HERO.GARY? I WON'T AFFECT THE TIMING.
THAT'S WHAT WE DISCUSSED YESTERDAY.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD.
WHAT, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO THEN IS IF, IF, IF IS JUST ASK THE BOARD FOR JUST A, A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO WRITE A, A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ON THE CD OVERLAY OF, AND THE ACCOMPANYING REPORTS AND REVISED FINDINGS.
SO MOVE, I HAVE A, DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND.
SO, MONA, DID YOU VOTE? I DIDN'T SEE YOUR HAND.
DID YOU VOTE? I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
ONE ABSTENTION SO'S SIX AND ONE ABSTENTION THEN.
AND, UM, JUST TO ANSWER AN EARLIER QUESTION OF MR. STEINMETZ, UM, YES, I, I DO BELIEVE THE C A C IS SEEKING TO TAKE THIS UP AT THEIR MEETING NEXT THURSDAY.
SO WE'LL SHARE WITH YOU THE AGENDA WHEN IT'S READY.
UM, UH, THE PARKS AND REC BOARD MAY, MAY TAKE THIS UP AT THEIR FIRST JULY MEETING.
SO, AS YOU KNOW, UH, WHEN THE TOWN BOARD REFERRED OUT THE, UH, THE CD OVERLAY YOUR PETITION, UH, WE DID SEND THAT OUT TO ALL INVOLVED AND INTERESTED AGENCIES.
SO WE'RE EXPECTING ACTUALLY TO HEAR FROM WESTCHESTER COUNTY.
AS I MENTIONED, THE C A C WILL MEET NEXT WEEK.
I'LL VERIFY THAT DATE FOR YOU.
AND MUCH LIKE WITH THE D E I S AND THE F E I S WILL ABSOLUTELY APRIS YOU OF, UM, ANYTIME THIS IS ON A CALENDAR, UH, MEETING DATE.
BUT I, BUT WHAT I TOLD YOU TONIGHT IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE C'S POSITION'S GOING TO BE.
SO YOU HAVE A HEADS UP THERE, YOU KNOW HOW TO, I HEARD YOUR RESPONSE.
UM, AND YOU CAN GIVE IT TO THE C A C NEXT WEEK.
OBVIOUSLY THAT GIVES US THE TIME TO GET THE, WHAT ANYTHING THAT'S DISCUSSED IN THE CAC.
C IF, IF IT, SOME OF THE STUFF YOU, TWO OF THE THREE POINTS YOU GUYS AGREE WITH ANYWAY.
SO WE'D LIKE TO INCORPORATE THOSE IN AS CONDITIONS.
UH, AND, AND OUR RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOM BOARD, THAT'S ALL.
SO I THINK THE TIMING WORKS PERFECTLY.
WE WANT TO GET THIS OFF OUR DOCKET AND MOVE FORWARD AS WELL.
AND WE WANNA SEE BEING ABLE TO GET, GET A SHOVEL ON THE GROUND.
WOULDN'T THEY BE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WHEN WE'RE BACK IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING BOARD AND NOT SOMETHING FROM THE, UM, FROM THE F E I FROM THE FINDING STATEMENT? THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE, UM, ANYTHING IN, IN THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDATION WOULD ESSENTIALLY WORK ITS WAY INTO THE FINDINGS.
COULD SEE THE, SO, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, H O A, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, COULD CERTAINLY BE FINDINGS.
WE'RE PRETTY, THAT COULD THEN BE FOLLOWED UP AS CONDITIONS OF THE PLANNING BOARD AS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION REVIEW.
BUT IT'S NOTHING THAT WE HAVE.
THERE'S NO SURPRISES I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED.
NO, I JUST THOUGHT, I KNOW WE'RE GONNA BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU FOR A FEW, UH, FOR A FEW HOURS.
WELL, THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'VE GOT THIS FAR AND THEN WHEN YOU COME BACK FOR THE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'RE GONNA BE JUST WORKING ON DRAINAGE.
WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON LANDSCAPING AND, AND THE DETAILS OF THE PLAN PLAN, HOPEFULLY NOT PLAYING WITH A LAYOUT AND ALL THAT STUFF AT THAT POINT.
UH, SO DOES ONE QUE I GUESS TWO QUESTIONS.
DOES THE BOARD HAVE AN OBJECTION TO OUR REQ, ASSUMING J M C CAN SUPPLY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND BE READY FOR A MORE SUBSTANTIVE SUBDIVISION DISCUSSION IN JULY, EVEN THOUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING MAY HAVE TO PLAY OUT IN JULY? DO YOU HAVE AN OBJECTION TO OUR, IN ESSENCE, PROCESSING THIS SIMULTANEOUSLY? WE WOULD LIKE TO, TO MOVE AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE.
AND RATHER THAN HAVING TO WAIT, I FOR ONE WILL TELL YOU, I BELIEVE THE TOWN BOARD IS GOING TO INVOKE THE CD OVERLAY BECAUSE YOU'VE RECOMMENDED IT.
WE'D LIKE TO COME BACK IN JULY AT WHATEVER YOU SAID YOUR JULY 6TH MEETING.
IF JAMES IS READY TO GET MORE INFORMATION, CAN WE COME BACK IN JULY AND TALK ABOUT DRAINAGE AND SUBDIVISION ISSUES? I'D HAVE TO.
UH, THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO HAVE TO LOOK AT IS WHAT OUR CALENDAR IS.
'CAUSE WE'VE GOT A COUPLE REAL BIG THINGS ON THE CALENDAR.
I DO WANT TO GET THIS OFF THE DOCKET NO LATER THAT, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY BY THE END OF JULY, NOT EVEN GOING TO THE AUGUST MEETING.
BUT SURELY I'D LIKE TO GET THIS O OFF OF OUR DOCKET COMPLETELY AS SOON AS WE CAN.
UM, AARON, YOU AND I ARE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT IT.
WHAT DO WE HAVE ON, ON JULY 6TH NOW? DO YOU KNOW? WE'LL GO OVER THAT TOGETHER.
'CAUSE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER BIG PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN HANGING AROUND.
WHAT'S YOUR SECOND MEETING IN JULY DATE? IF YOU, JULY 20.
IT'S, YEAH, IT'S TWO 20TH WEEKS LATER.
AND THEN THE FIRST, UH, WEDNESDAY IN AUGUST IS OUR LAST MEETING OF THE SUMMER.
AND WE TAKE, CORRECT, WE TAKE A MINI VACATION.
SO YOU GO JULY 6TH 20 AUGUST 3RD.
AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS AFTER LABOR DAY.
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ARE THERE ANY SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES? I KNOW TONIGHT REALLY WE, OUR FOCUS HAS BEEN CD OVERLAY, A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT YOU SAW WITH THIS NEW LAYOUT.BUT IF, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO FORESHADOW FOR OUR CLIENT AND FOR OUR TEAM, ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT US TO DELVE INTO SO THAT WE ARE AS PREPARED AS POSSIBLE, WHENEVER WE GET BACK ON THAT NEXT AGENDA, YOU WERE KIND ENOUGH TO TELL US.
YOU, YOU WANT THE CHART DATA, WHICH IS ONLY GONNA REFLECT, PRESUMABLY REDUCTIONS IN I WOULD, SO VIRTUALLY ALL CATEGORIES.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE SHOULD, I, I THINK, I THINK, AND I'LL LET EVERYBODY ELSE ON IT TOO.
I MEAN, THINGS LIKE LANDSCAPING AND DRAINAGE AND THOSE THINGS I THINK ARE GONNA BE, I IMPORTANT TO GO OVER AND AS WE TYPICALLY DO IN A, IN A SUBDIVISION, UH, ANYTIME WE LOOK AT A SUBDIVISION, THOSE, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS I THINK ARE IMPORTANT.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE, WE LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPING ACTUALLY BY A LOT.
LIKE HOW YOU'RE GONNA, HOW YOU'RE GONNA SCREEN FOR ONE ANOTHER.
SO FOR THE ENTIRE LANDSCAPE PLAN, WE'RE GONNA, WE WOULD LIKE THE SUBDIVISION, I WOULD THINK, OR AT LEAST A, A PROPOSED LANDSCAPING PLAN.
WALTER, DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? I SAW YOU RAISE, I I ASSUME THAT THEY'LL HAVE SIDEWALKS.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT JOHANN, YOU RAISED YOUR HAND.
UH, BURIED POWER LINES AND, UH, CABLES REQUIRED.
THE ONE OTHER THING I'D LIKE YOU, I'D LIKE YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER FOR THIS, I KNOW YOU, AND THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, BUT I'D REALLY LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER IS SOME RE RENEWABLE ENERGY SOURCE AS A POSSIBILITY, AT LEAST AN OPTION FOR THE HOUSES.
IF, IF NOT, UH, SOMETHING YOU CAN DO FOR THE HOUSES.
IT'D BE, I, I KNOW I'VE NOW FOUND OUT THE DOWNSIDE OF THE, THE RENEWABLE, THE SOLAR SHINGLES, BECAUSE THEY DON'T LAST AND THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE TO REPLACE.
SO THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY, UH, RIGHT YET.
BUT SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS AN OPTION.
I'D LOVE TO SEE PEOPLE HAVE AT LEAST THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ENERGY INDEPENDENT IF, IF POSSIBLE.
'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA NEED IT, BUT THE STATE NEEDS IT.
AND WE, WE, AND BRETT AND I HAVE A CALL ON THAT TOMORROW FOR ANOTHER, ANOTHER SUBDIVISION.
'CAUSE WE HAVE RESIDENTS FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER OVER.
ONE WANTS IT AND ONE DOESN'T LIKE THE VIEW, DOESN'T LIKE THE LOOK OF IT.
SO IT IS, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT, BUT WE FIND THAT NEIGHBORS, UH, AREN'T ALWAYS ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THAT.
AND WE USUALLY LIKE TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU FOLLOW THE CODE OF THE TOWN, IT'S ALLOWED.
I MEAN, I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THAT.
THE OTHER THING YOU NEED TO CONSIDER IS HOW YOU'RE GONNA HEAT THESE HOUSES.
I WENT TO A SEMINAR A FEW WEEKS AGO.
I THINK TOM MAY HAVE GONE TO THE SAME SEMINAR I DID.
IT WAS A LITTLE FRIGHTENING BECAUSE THERE WAS A ZERO ZERO CARBON INITIATIVE IN, IN NEW YORK STATE, WHICH THESE PEOPLE WERE TELLING US THAT WITHIN 30 YEARS, I THINK IT WAS TOM, THAT THEY SAID THAT I THOUGHT MAYBE EVEN 2020 WITH NO, NO MORE, UH, FOSSIL FIRED FURNACES OR BOILERS.
SO, SO NEW JERSEY WANTS TO TRY TO GET RID OF, UH, NATURAL GAS AS WELL TO GO TO ALL ELECTRIC SO THEY CAN BE SUSTAINABLE.
I I, I, I ACTUALLY WONDERING DO, THERE WAS A BIN OF CONED PUTTING IN NEW CONNECTIONS IN CAN'T AND THEY DIDN'T DO IT.
BUT THE STATE, BUT THE STATE MAY REGULATE PEOPLE OUT OF HAVING GAS, GAS FIRED.
I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY SOME PEOPLE MIGHT NOT WANT THE SOLAR PANEL OR OTHERS WANT, BUT THERE, THERE MIGHT BE A, A SIMPLE THING THAT YOU COULD DO DURING YOUR CONSTRUCTION IN THAT IF YOU RUN A CONDUIT, SO IF SOMEONE WANT TO PUT IN A SOLAR PANEL, YOU KNOW, THE CONDUIT LINE IS ALREADY THERE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT AT THE OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE, BUT YOU JUST RUN SOME SORT OF CONDUIT IN THE CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS, UM, A MINOR COURSE, BUT IT'S THERE BURIED INTO THE WALL THAT GOES INTO THE, YOUR GARAGE OR WHEREVER.
SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN CONSIDER.
JUST, JUST A THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, AND A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE VARIED LIKE WITHIN SHRUBBERY AND THINGS LIKE THE ROUTE WITH SHRUBBERY AROUND THEM.
NOW, I MEAN AS WELL, MONA, GO AHEAD.
I THINK YOUR HANDS UP, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONALLY PUTTING OUTLETS IN THE GARAGE FOR THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES, SOMETHING SIMPLE LIKE THAT, THAT MAKES IT SO MUCH EASIER WHEN THE, YOU KNOW, THE CARS ARE PURCHASED MAKES IT INFINITELY EASIER DOWN THE ROAD.
YOU'VE GOT A, THE GOOD NEWS IS, JONATHAN, YOU GOT A BLANK SLATE HERE.
WE'RE DOING THAT IN, UH, YEAH, WE'RE DOING THAT IN OUR NEW JERSEY.
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YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF YOUR UNITS HAVE THE, UH, THE EV READY.SO WE'RE, WE'RE, MOST OF THE BUILDERS ARE, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE BUILDERS ARE DOING THAT NOW.
UM, SO IT'S, UH, THINK ABOUT ALL OF THAT'S BECOMING A LOT MORE STANDARD.
THE, THE SOLAR ISSUE IS STILL THAT, UM, ONE OF, IF THERE ISN'T A STATE INCENTIVE AT THE TIME, IT BECOMES VERY, IT BECOMES COST PROHIBITED.
BUT YOU GOTTA ASSUME THAT CHANGES AT SOME POINT.
THEY SORT OF HAD MONEY LAST YEAR.
IT, IT JUST GOES UP, YOU KNOW, IF ELL GETS REELECTED, I SUSPECT THERE'S GONNA BE A NEW FUND BECAUSE YEAH.
THEY WANT TO GET RID OF ALL NATURAL GAS.
GAS IN, IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA DO IT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GONNA GET THE DON'T IF ALIVE FOR THAT.
BUT, BUT, UH, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO DO IT.
I'M GONNA BE PUSHING DAVID'S TESLA DOWN THE STREET.
'CAUSE HE WON'T BE ABLE TO FIND A PLACE TO CHARGE IT.
OR MOTOR IS TESLA? I DON'T THINK SO.
I JUST PLUG IT INTO MY GARAGE.
AS LONG AS IT'S STILL ELECTRICITY IN YOUR GARAGE.
GO AHEAD AND WE'RE GONNA CLOSE SHORTLY.
IT, IT, IT, IT'S GETTING TO A 10 O'CLOCK.
SO DO YOU WANTED TO GO OVER OR DO YOU WANT TO CONCLUDE THE MEETING? NO, WE'RE DONE.
THANK GOOD NIGHT TO EVERYBODY.
WE WILL LET YOU KNOW, DAVID AS SOON AS WE CAN.
IF YOU CAN GET IT, GET US AT THAT LITTLE CHART SOONER THAN LATER.
WELL, WE'LL WORK ON IT TOMORROW ON OUR CALL.
IT SHOULDN'T TAKE YOU VERY LONG.