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THIS IS THE MEETING[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS ONLINE VIA ZOOM AGENDA THURSDAY, June 16, 2022 – 7:00 P.M. Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, this meeting will take place via Zoom. If you would like to participate in the public hearing, you must pre-register through the Department of Community Development and Conservation by emailing publichearing@greenburghny.com or calling 914-989-1531, specifying the application that you would like to speak on. Instructions to participate will then be emailed to you or you will receive a return phone call. ]
OF THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS TOWN OF GREENBURG.TODAY IS JUNE 16TH, 2022, AND THE MEETING WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.
WE HAVE EIGHT CASES THAT WERE SCHEDULED FOR TODAY'S AGENDA, HOWEVER, CASE 2126 BLOOM ENERGY HAS ASKED FOR AN ADJOURNMENT TO JULY 14TH CASE 2205.
ORALLY GAS HAS ALSO REQUESTED AN ADJOURNMENT AND CASE 2208 SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB HAD BEEN CLOSED FOR DECISION ONLY.
HOWEVER, BASED UPON SEVERAL, UM, EMAILS AND THAT WE HAD RECEIVED, WE ARE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT, UH, FURTHER.
LET ME JUST FINISH THE REMARKS FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.
PLEASE NOTE THAT THE NEXT ZONING BOARD MEETING WILL BE ON JULY 14TH, REMOTELY BY THIS VIRTUAL MEANS THE SAME AS AT THE SAME TIME, AND SAME METHOD THAT WE HAVE THIS EVENING.
AS USUAL, IF WE CANNOT COMPLETE THE HEARING OF ANY CASE TONIGHT, IT WILL BE ADJOURNED TO ANOTHER MEETING TO HOPEFULLY BE COMPLETED AT THAT TIME.
ALSO, AS IS USUAL TO SAVE TIME, WE WILL WAIVE THE READING OF THE PROPERTY LOCATION AND THE RELIEF SOUGHT FOR EACH CASE.
HOWEVER, THE REPORTER WILL INSERT THIS INFORMATION IN THE RECORD.
THIS INFORMATION ALSO APPEARS IN THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.
AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING OF TODAY'S CASES, THE BOARD WILL MEET IN OUR ZOOM ROOM TO DISCUSS THE CASES WE'VE HEARD TODAY.
EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO LISTEN TO OUR DELIBERATIONS, BUT THE PUBLIC WILL NOT BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK OR PARTICIPATE DURING OUR DELIBERATIONS.
AFTER OUR DELIBERATIONS, WE COME BACK ON THE FORMAL RECORD TO ANNOUNCE ANY DECISIONS AND FOR THAT INFORMATION TO BE PROVIDED TO THE COMMUNITY.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK TODAY, PLEASE CLEARLY STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS OR YOUR PROFESSIONAL AFFILIATION.
IF YOU'RE NOT A NAMED APPLICANT, PLEASE SPELL YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
WE HAVE HEARD TESTIMONY ON SOME OF THESE CASES OF PRIOR MEETINGS.
ALL PRIOR TESTIMONY IS ALREADY IN THE RECORD AND SHOULD NOT BE REPEATED.
AS I PREVIOUSLY STATED, WITH RESPECT TO SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB, WE HAVE RECEIVED SEVERAL EMAILS ASKING US TO REOPEN THE HEARING BECAUSE THE OWNERS OF THE COOPERATIVE APARTMENTS DID NOT RECEIVE NOTICE OF THE HEARING.
WE WILL NOW OPEN THE MATTER FOR A PERIOD NOT TO EXCEED 10 MINUTES FOR EACH SIDE, AND THAT WOULD BE ONLY FOR ARGUMENTS AS TO WHETHER WE SHOULD REOPEN THE HEARING ONLY.
WE WILL NOT BE HEARING ANYTHING ON THE MERITS OF WHETHER OR NOT, OR WHY WE SHOULD GRANT OR DENY THE VARIANCES.
WE WILL ONLY HEAR ARGUMENTS ABOUT WHETHER TO REOPEN THE HEARING.
AND CAN WE PROCEED NOW? WE DID, I NOTE, RECEIVE INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT, HOWEVER IT IS DATED TODAY.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE, IF EVERYONE HAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT, WHO WISHES TO BE HEARD.
BUT AGAIN, PLEASE STATE YOUR REASONS FOR WHY YOU WANT WISH TO HAVE THE MATTER OPENED AND WHO DO WE HAVE THAT IS GOING TO ADDRESS THAT.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS INVITE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO SEND A CHAT OR USE THE RAISED HAND FUNCTION ON THIS SCARSDALE, UH, COUNTRY, UH, GOLF CLUB MATTER WITH REGARD TO THE HEARING COMPONENT.
OR IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT, YOU CAN UNMUTE YOUR MIC AT THIS TIME AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF.
I AM NOT SEEING ANYONE, UH, REQUESTING TO SPEAK.
SO JUST ONCE AGAIN, IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK AND APPEAL TO THE ZONING BOARD WITH REGARDS TO THE PUBLIC HEARING COMPONENT, NOW'S THE TIME TO PLEASE LET US KNOW.
GARRETT, I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE WAITING FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD SUPPORT THE OPENING.
AND THEN WHEN IT'S TIME FOR REBUTTAL, YOU'LL LET US KNOW WHEN IT'S OUR TURN TO SPEAK CHAIRPERSON BUNTING SMITH.
DOES THAT SOUND OKAY? I MEAN, I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE, UM, THAT'S SEEKING TO SPEAK AT THE MOMENT.
I WAS GOING TO ASK OUR SECRETARY, DID WE RECEIVE ANY, ANY DOCUMENTATION WITH RESPECT TO, UH, REASONS THAT PEOPLE HAVE SUBMITTED VERY RECENTLY THAT THEY WISH TO SUBMIT OR NOT? OKAY.
WAS THAT ANYONE WHO WANTED TO SPEAK, UH, CAROL.
SO THAT, THAT, UM, I BELIEVE SOME EMAILS CAME IN, UH, WITH RESPECT TO SCARSDALE COUNTRY CLUB, WHICH I BELIEVE YOU FORWARDED TO
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THE ZONING BOARD.BUT, UM, COULD YOU JUST CLARIFY IF THAT'S INDEED THE CASE? UH, YES.
UH, I FORWARDED, UH, EMAILS TO FROM THE PUBLIC TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
UM, AND YESTERDAY WHEN I RECEIVED THE ZOOM INFORMATION, I FORWARDED THE LINK TO THOSE PARTIES THAT WERE, WERE INTERESTED.
AND, UM, SO THEY ALL HAD ACCESS TO THE ZOOM LINK IF THEY WANTED.
COULD YOU PLEASE, UH, IDENTIFY YOUR NAME? UH, YES, I WILL.
UM, I'M ACTUALLY AT ANOTHER MEETING AS WE SPEAK.
I AM PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF 100 EAST HARTSDALE, UH, AVENUE.
I WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO SENT AN EMAIL AND, UH, TOM FLACO OF WESTEX REALTY WILL BE JOINING YOU SHORTLY.
I'M ACTUALLY THE CALL RIGHT NOW.
I'M LISTED AS, YEAH, I'M ASKING AS BARBARA'S IPAD.
I'M SORRY I BORROWED SOMEONE'S IPAD 'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE IN ANOTHER MEETING TOO.
OKAY, MA'AM, DID YOU INTEND TO SPEAK OR DEFER TO MR. FLOCKO? UH, I WILL DEFER TO MR. FLOCKO AT THIS POINT.
I APPRECIATE THE ZONING BOARD ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK THIS EVENING.
UM, I, I AM A PROPERTY MANAGER FOR 100 EAST HARTSDALE AND A FEW OTHER BUILDINGS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT ON THE AVENUE.
UM, THIS PROJECT AND THIS NOTIFICATION CAME ABOUT TO OUR BUILDING.
I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW, 'CAUSE I WASN'T THE ONE WHO GOT THE ME THE MEMOS OR WHATEVER, BUT AT THE TOWN MEETING THAT I SPOKE AT LAST WEEK, THE CONCERNS OF, OF WHAT OUR BUILDING AND SOME OF THE BUILDINGS NEXT TO WHERE THE PROPERTY IS, IS BEING, UH, THE WORK IS BEING DONE IS NOTIFICATION WAS NOTIFYING OF APPROXIMATELY, I WAS TOLD 250 FEET WITHIN THE PRO THE PERIMETER OF THE WORK.
THESE PROPERTIES FALL A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN THAT.
SO THEY WEREN'T REALLY NOTIFIED FOR THE ZONING BOARD REGULATION.
SO WE WEREN'T AWARE OF ANY MEETINGS ABOUT THAT.
HOWEVER, THAT BEING SAID, THE CONCERNS OF OUR PROJECT ARE, I GUESS, QUESTIONS THAT COME UP WAS ABOUT 15, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN 15 YEARS AGO.
THE SCARSDALE GOLF COURSE ASKED FOR FENCING TO BE PUT UP, AND IT WAS DENIED AT THAT TIME FOR SOME SORT OF BIRD FLYING AROUND.
THAT WAS A RARE BIRD, UH, FOR THE CONSERVATORY.
UH, SIR, IF YOU COULD JUST PAUSE FOR ONE MOMENT.
I JUST WANNA GET CLARIFICATION FROM THE CHAIRPERSON IF, UM, THIS IS THE TYPE OF TESTIMONY THAT YOU AND, UH, WERE, WERE SEEKING, OR IF IT WAS SOLELY WITH REGARD TO RATIONALE BEHIND THE, UH, NOTICING.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD THE ANNOUNCEMENT, SIR.
I'M SORRY I CAME LATE TO THE MEETING.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ONLY OPENING THIS MATTER UP BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN CLOSED FOR DECISION ONLY.
SO WE'RE ONLY OPENING IT UP NOW FOR A PERIOD NOT TO EXCEED 10 MINUTES FOR EACH SIDE FOR ARGUMENTS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD REOPEN THE HEARING ONLY.
WE DON'T WANNA HEAR ANYTHING ON THE MERITS, BUT REALLY WHETHER WE SHOULD GRANT OR DENY THE VARIANCES, WE JUST WANT TO HEAR ARGUMENTS ABOUT POSSIBLY WHY IT SHOULD BE REOPENED.
YOU'VE GIVEN A COUPLE OF POINTS ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU WEREN'T WITHIN A CERTAIN NUMBER OF FEET AND THEREFORE YOU DIDN'T GET, UH, NOTICE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHERS? YES, WE FEEL THAT THE, THE VARIANCE THEY'RE ASKING FOR, UH, IS QUITE EXTENSIVE IN A 90 FOOT HEIGHT AND A 300 FOOT LENGTH OF, OF PROPERTY.
UH, WE THINK IT'S GOING TO EXCEED WHAT REALLY IS REQUIRED.
UH, AND WE ALSO FEEL THAT ITS GONNA CREATE A FLOODING SITUATION THAT, UH, IS, HAS EXACERBATE ACTUALLY A CURRENT FLOODING SITUATION.
SO WE'RE ASKING IT TO BE REOPENED TO THE PUBLIC SO THAT WE CAN PUT IN OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROJECT PROJECT, UH, WHY IT'S, WHY IT'S GOING FORWARD, THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS AND, AND BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON THAT MATTER.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? I SEE MS. BLOOM IS COMING ON, I BELIEVE SHE INTENDS TO SPEAK.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS, UH, MS. BLOOM, DID YOU INTEND TO SPEAK THIS EVENING? UM, I WOULD LIKE TO.
AND I JUST WANT TO, AS YOU JUST HAVE ARRIVED, UH, TO NOTE THAT, UH, ANY TESTIMONY RIGHT NOW IS SOLELY REGARDING, UH, THE NOTIFICATION ASPECT AND, UM, WHY YOU WOULD FEEL THAT THE, UH, MEETING SHOULD BE REOPENED BASED SOLELY ON THAT NOTIFICATION COMPONENT.
AND, UM, I THINK MS. CARBO IS ALSO GOING TO BE JOINING.
WE MISUNDERSTOOD AND DID NOT REALIZE IT WAS A ZOOM ONLY MEETING, SO WE WENT OVER TO TOWN HALL.
SO, UH, PLEASE, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO START.
JUST IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND THEN PLEASE START.
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UM, I LIVE AT 80 EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE.UM, I FEEL THAT THE, IT SHOULD BE REOPENED FOR TWO REASONS.
ONE, BECAUSE GENERICALLY BECAUSE THE TOWN BOARD HAS AGREED, UH, TO EXTEND THE COMMENT PERIOD TO THE NEXT, TO THE NEXT MEETING.
AND WE FEEL THAT THAT SHOULD NOT BE IT.
IT'S MEANINGLESS IF YOU MAKE A FINAL DECISION TONIGHT.
UM, AS FAR AS THE NOTIFICATION PROCEDURE GOES, UM, SO FAR AS I DETERMINE, UM, THE, UM, THE BUS, UH, THE BUSINESSES NEVER RECEIVED NOTIFICATION OF THE, OF THE PROPOSAL.
AND THEY, UH, AS A RESULT, THEY NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS, WHICH OF COURSE HAVE TO DO WITH THE FLOODING ISSUES.
UM, EVEN THOUGH OUR BUILDINGS, UH, 100 AND 100 UNFORTUNATELY HAS A, UH, BOARD MEETING TONIGHT, EVEN THOUGH, UM, THEY, WE ARE OUTSIDE OF THE 250 FEET, WE FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT WE'RE IMPACTED BY THIS AND THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED AS FAR AS I CAN TELL.
UM, WE WERE PROVIDED WITH A LIST OF THE, UH, OF THE NAMES THAT WERE NOTIFIED AND VIRTUALLY, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, VIRTUALLY EVERYBODY IN AT 50 EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE WAS NOTIFIED, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE EVEN FURTHER AWAY THAN WE ARE.
AND FOR THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE WITHIN THE, UH, WITHIN THE, THE AREA PLUS HOURS NOTIFICATION ONLY WENT TO THE MANAGING AGENT, NOT TO THE SHAREHOLDERS AND RESIDENTS.
WHO ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE AFFECTED BY ALL OF THIS.
WHEN THIS ISSUE CAME UP, UM, I DON'T KNOW, 17 YEARS AGO, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW MANY YEARS AGO, UH, THE WHOLE COMMUNITY KNEW ABOUT IT.
WE HAD MANY, MANY PEOPLE AT THE ZONING BOARD MEETINGS TO EXPRESS OUR CONCERNS.
AND WE WOULD HAVE THIS TIME TOO, BUT WE DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
SO WE NEVER HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND EXPRESS OUR CONCERNS.
AND AS FAR AGAIN, AS FAR AS NOTIFICATION IS CONCERNED, UH, SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE TO, WHEN, WHEN ISSUES LIKE THIS COME UP TO NOTIFY, UM, THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE MOST CONCERNED WITH IT.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS TO THAT, BUT THERE'S A, THERE'S A REAL LACK HERE.
UH, WE WERE NOT NOTIFIED 100 WAS NOT NOTIFIED WHEN THEY FOUND OUT ABOUT IT.
THE ONLY REASON WAS THAT THEIR, UH, THEIR MANAGING AGENT IS ALSO VERY MUCH INVOLVED WITH THE BUILDING.
I DON'T THINK 180 WAS NOTIFIED AND THEY ARE WITHIN THE 250 FEET.
AND, UH, THOSE ARE THE, THE BUILDINGS I, THE BUILDINGS I KNOW ABOUT.
I THINK THE OTHER TWO, BU I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ONE 20, AND I KNOW THAT ONE 40 AND ONE 50 ARE RENTAL BUILDINGS.
SO THE ONLY RELEVANT PEOPLE CAN NOTIFY WOULD'VE BEEN THE, UH, THE AGENT THERE.
BUT THE, FOR THE BUSINESSES NOT TO HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS AND EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS WAS A, A, A MAJOR, A, A MAJOR FAILING IN THE PROCESS.
AND FOR THAT REASON, WE FEEL YOU SHOULD HOLD, HOLD THE MEETING OPEN SO THAT WHEN OUR, THE OPPORTUNITY THE TOWN BOARD IS GIVING US TO BE HEARD AGAIN IS NOT, IS NOT MEANINGLESS.
I'M SORRY I DIDN'T KEEP A STOPWATCH, BUT THERE WAS SOME STARTS AND STOPS.
UH, ARE YOU SATISFIED OR DO YOU, DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST CALL ON ANYONE ELSE? JUST THE, UH, ONE OTHER PERSON THAT WAS MENTIONED, UH, WHEN SHE, UM, I THINK SHE'S MAYBE TRYING TO SIGN IN.
I'M NOT SURE SHE HAS TROUBLE GETTING ON ZOOM.
WHAT'S HER NAME, MA'AM? CLEMENTINE CARBO.
MS. CARBO ARE, IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE, UH, IF YOU COULD UNMUTE AND, UH, PLEASE SPEAK AT THIS TIME.
UM, HI, I'M CLEMENTINE CARBO AND THE BOARD PRESIDENT AT 80 EAST AND SORT OF THE LEADER OF IANNA.
UM, I, I DID NOT HEAR WHAT DEBORAH SPOKE TO BECAUSE I JUST WAS ABLE TO LOG ON.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE SAID WE WERE AT TOWN HALL.
WE DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS, UH, A ZOOM MEETING.
WE LIKED THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPROACH THE ZONING BOARD, UM, JUST AS WE WOULD HAVE IF WE KNEW THAT THE MEETING WAS TAKING PLACE.
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NOTICE, BUT 10 FEET AWAY FROM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S LEGAL THAT THAT 250 FEET WAS SUPPOSED TO BE LET ON, BUT WE ABUT THE GOLF COURSE IN THE REAR OF OUR BUILDING.UM, THE WHOLE REAR OF OUR BUILDING ABUTS THE GOLF COURSE AND THEY HAVE NOT BEEN GREAT NEIGHBORS.
OKAY, MA'AM, SO WE JUST WANNA, UM, IF YOU COULD, UM, JUST KEEP YOUR REMARKS SOLELY TO THE RATIONALE OF WHY YOU THINK THE ZONING BOARD SHOULD REOPEN THE HEARING, PLEASE.
UM, WELL, WE'D LIKE TO TALK TO THE, TO THE, TO THE POINT THAT THE GOLF COURSE WE'RE VERY FEARFUL THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA KEEP THE WORD AS STATED.
UM, IN, IN YOUR MINUTES, AND I'M SORRY, MA'AM.
JUST, AND, AND, AND, AND THE RATIONALE SPECIFIC TO, UM, ANYTHING REGARDING NOTICING.
WELL, WE DIDN'T RECEIVE A NOTICE.
EVERYONE IN OUR BUILDING IS CONCERNED.
THE, THE VILLAGE WHICH GETS RINGED OUT, NOBODY THERE HEARD FROM THEIR SUPERINTENDENT, WHO I AM ASSUMING YOU DID DO A MAILING TO, UH, THEIR, THEIR OWNER.
UM, AND THEY NEED TO BE HEARD.
I HAVEN'T, ANNA BROWN AND ANNA BROWN HAS, AND THEY ARE EXTREMELY CONCERNED.
SO ANNA DON'T, I'M NOT THE SPEAKER IN THE GROUP, AND I'M NOT VERY, UM, I DON'T KNOW THE WORD.
I'M NOT GOOD AT SPEAKING IN GROUPS, SO, UM, BETTER IN WRITING.
SO I, I REALLY THINK WE DESERVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD, BUT SHE DOESN'T SAY PRODUCT.
AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE MIX UP.
UH, WE DID IDENTIFY, UH, FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYONE ON THIS CALL AND WATCHING, UM, THAT, UH, ON THE AGENDA THAT THE MEETING WOULD BE HELD VIA ZOOM IF, UH, ENABLED BY, UH, UH, THE STATE, WHICH IT WAS.
BUT WE DO APOLOGIZE FOR ANY MIX UP.
I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THAT THAT TOOK PLACE.
MADAM CHAIR, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO NOW? YES, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
OKAY, MR. ABEL? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
UH, SO, UH, I, AS YOU STATED, WE RESPONDED IN WRITING TODAY AS WE WERE ONLY, UH, RECIPIENTS OF THE NEIGHBOR'S COMMENTS AS OF, UH, YESTERDAY EVENING.
UH, BUT WE DID PUT IN WRITING, UH, A, A LETTER AS WELL AS PROOF OF NOTICE.
AND I'D JUST LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW OF THOSE POINTS.
NOW, UM, VERY QUICKLY, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO JUST SHARE MY SCREEN.
UH, CAN YOU ALL SEE THAT, THAT MAP WITH THE YELLOW AND PINK? YES.
UH, SO JUST TO, TO QUICKLY NOTE SOMETHING, I HEARD SEVERAL PEOPLE SAY THAT THEY WERE NOT NOTICED, UH, BECAUSE THEY WERE OUTSIDE THE 250 FOOT RADIUS.
WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS THE NOTICE MAP PREPARED BY THE TOWN'S OWN ASSESSOR THAT'S REQUIRED OF EVERY APPLICANT THAT COMES BEFORE YOU, THAT THE TOWN ASSESSOR PREPARE THE NOTICE MAP AND LIST.
WE THEN PROVIDE THAT LIST TO YOUR ZONING BOARD SECRETARY CAROL, AS, AS NOTICE, UH, I'M SORRY.
YEAH, I, I THINK THERE'S A MEMBER THANK YOU.
UH, WHO THEN SENDS THOSE MAILING OUT, SENDS THOSE MAILERS OUT.
WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS THE LIST.
ALL OF THOSE PROPERTIES IN PINK ARE THOSE THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AND WHICH, UH, AND WHICH RECEIVED NOTICE WE HEARD FROM THE, THE PROPERTY MANAGER FROM WESTEX THAT THEY DID NOT RECEIVE ANY NOTICE.
IN FACT, THEY RECEIVED TWO SEPARATE NOTICES BECAUSE THEY MANAGE BOTH 100 AND 111 EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE.
HERE'S THE NOTICE FOR 100, 111, HERE'S THE NOTICE FOR 100, AND THEN HERE HIGHLIGHTED IS THE NOTICE FOR 80 EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE.
UH, THE IDEA SENT YOU, IT WAS SENT.
MA'AM, MA'AM, YOU CAN'T CALL OUT A TURN.
UH, YOU GOTTA KEEP YOUR MIC MUTED.
AND IF YOU WANNA USE THE CHAT, UM, TO ME DIRECTLY, IF YOU HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, A REQUEST, PLEASE DO.
BUT YES, WE HAVE TO HAVE EVERYONE KEEP THEIR MICS MUTED.
UH, SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, THE THE CONTENTION THAT NOTICE WAS NOT SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS IS FALSE.
THE CONTENTION THAT THEY WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE 250 FOOT RADIUS IS FALSE.
THE 250 FOOT RADIUS WAS SURROUNDING THE ENTIRE 134 ACRES OF THE CLUB'S.
PROPERTY NOTICES WERE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TWO AND 300 SEPARATE NOTICES MAILED OUT, PLUS THE NOTICE SIGN THAT WAS POSTED ON THE PROPERTY.
PLUS, UH, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, GARRETT, I BELIEVE THE TOWN PUBLISHES IN THE NEWSPAPER AGENDAS ARE PUBLISHED ELECTRONICALLY ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE BEFORE THE MEETING MEETINGS ARE LIVE STREAMED AND BROADCAST ON CABLE TV RECORDS OF THE MEETING, INCLUDING A VIDEO, ARE POSTED IMMEDIATELY.
IF NOT THAT, THEN THE DAY AFTER THE MEETING, IT, IT, EVERY OPPORTUNITY WAS GIVEN FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO BE HEARD.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE CONCERNED WITH THE TOWN'S CURRENT NOTICING REQUIREMENTS, WHICH I SUPPOSE IF YOU'RE A CO-OP, IT GOES TO THE MANAGING AGENT RATHER THAN INDIVIDUAL OWNERS AS IT WOULD WITH A CONDO SINCE THEY'RE SHAREHOLDERS RATHER THAN OWNERS.
THAT HAS BEEN THE NOTICING POLICY
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OF THE TOWN FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN DOING WORK HERE.AND TO HOLD US TO A DIFFERENT STANDARD WOULD UNFAIRLY PREJUDICE MY CLIENT SINCE WE HAD TWO FULLY NOTICED HEARINGS IN FRONT OF YOUR BOARD AS WELL AS WORK SESSIONS WITH THE PLANNING BOARD LEADING UP TO THAT.
UH, AND, AND YOU'D BE ADDING AT LEAST TWO MONTHS OF PROCESSED TIME DUE TO THE INTERPLAY BETWEEN THE TOWN BOARD AND THE ZONING BOARD ON TIMING, WHICH WOULD BE A MASSIVE EXPENSE FOR MY CLIENT.
WHEN FRANKLY, WE HAVE OPERATED IN VERY GOOD FAITH, WE HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND ON NOTICING SOMEONE ALLEGED THAT WE DID NOT NOTICE 180, WHICH IS NOT ONLY NOT TRUE, BUT GIVEN THEIR ACTUAL PROXIMITY TO THE NETTING AND THE PROPOSED TENNIS ENCLOSURE, WE MET WITH THEM AHEAD OF TIME AND WALKED THE SITE WITH THEM.
SAME WITH ONE 20, SAME WITH 1 40, 1 50 AND ONE 70.
I I DON'T KNOW IF THE CHAIR WOULD CONSIDER THIS SUBSTANTIVE OR TO THE ISSUE OF NOTICING.
I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK TO THE PROXIMITY OF 180 EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE TO THE ACTUAL PROJECT AND WHETHER THAT PLAYS INTO YOUR CONSIDERATION AT ALL.
UH, BUT THAT ISSUE ASIDE, WE HAVE NOTICED TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY, IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND SIGNED OFF ON BY STAFF WHO ACTUALLY IN FACT HANDLED THE NOTICING YOUR TOWN STAFF.
AND WE THINK IT WOULD BE UNFAIR, PARTICULARLY AFTER EXPERT TESTIMONY HAS BEEN PROVIDED AFTER WAS PUBLIC BACK AND FORTH, NOTABLY WITH THE OPPOSITION FROM THE HARTSDALE PUBLIC PARKING DISTRICT AT THE LAST TWO MEETINGS AND AFTER YOU, THE BOARD AS LEAD AGENCY ISSUED FINAL SEEKER FINDINGS INDICATING LITTLE TO NO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, UH, WE FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT THE IDEA THAT SOMEHOW THE TOWN BOARD DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU VOTE ON THE VARIANCE.
IT IS, UH, I WON'T SAY INSULTING, BUT I THINK IT'S A MISCONCEPTION AND A MISCONSTRUE OF MISCONSTRUE, UH, OF, OF THE TOWN'S PROCESS.
WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING IN FRONT OF THE TOWN BOARD MAY HAVE APPROVAL AUTHORITY OVER THE SITE PLAN PERMIT APPLICATION, AND AFTER THAT, WE'LL BE APPEARING AT A PUBLIC HEARING, ASSUMING WE GET SITE PLAN APPROVAL, WE'LL BE APPEARING AT A PUBLIC HEARING IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING BOARD FOR THEIR STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATION.
THIS IS NOT THE END OF THE PUBLIC PROCESS, AND THIS IS NOT THE END ALL, BE ALL OF THE NEIGHBOR'S ABILITY TO BE HEARD IN A PUBLIC FORUM.
UH, SO I, I FEEL VERY STRONGLY, AND I I DON'T MEAN TO GET TOO HEATED, BUT THE ASSERTION THAT WE DIDN'T NOTICE PROPERLY OR THAT NOTICE WASN'T PROVIDED IS SIMPLY UNTRUE IF THE MANAGING AGENTS WHO ARE REGISTERED WITH THE TOWN AS THE RECIPIENTS OF NOTICE FAILED TO, TO TELL THEIR RESIDENTS, THAT SHOULD NOT BE, THAT BLAME, SHOULD NOT BE PLACED ON THE TOWN, ON YOUR BOARD, ON YOUR STAFF, OR ON US, THE APPLICANT.
SO, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE ILLUSTRATION AS TO THE PROXIMITY OF THESE PROPERTIES TO THE ACTUAL WORK, AND WHETHER THAT IS A CONSIDERATION FOR YOU, I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT AS WELL.
BUT I, I DON'T WANNA OVERSTEP AND GET INTO SUBSTANTIVE TERRITORY IF YOU FEEL THAT THAT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE.
MADAM CHAIR, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ON MUTE THERE.
I'M GONNA TURN IT BACK TO YOU AND JUST QUICKLY NOTE THAT TWO OF THE RESIDENTS THAT SPOKE PRIOR, UH, HAVE THEIR HAND UP.
I JUST WANTED TO ALERT YOU OF THAT FACT.
HAVE WE RUN OUT OF TIME YET? UM, I BELIEVE WE'VE, WE'RE CLOSE TO OR EXCEEDING 10 MINUTES FROM EACH PARTY.
I'LL GIVE YOU BOTH ONE MINUTE EACH AND THAT'S IT.
UM, MS. CLEMENTINE, I'M GONNA, OR, OR HIT THE BUTTON SO THAT YOU SHOULD GET A PROMPT TO UNMUTE AND YOU COULD KINDLY UNMUTE AND YOU COULD KINDLY, UM, SPEAK FOR ONE MINUTE.
UH, MA'AM, YOU HAVE TO HIT THE UNMUTE BUTTON, MS. CLEMENTINE.
MR. FLACO, IF YOU'RE SET WHILE SHE GETS THAT, UM, FIXED, IF YOU CAN GO AHEAD WITH YOUR MINUTE.
I, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.
UH, I KNOW THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS IS SENT OUT.
HOW DO, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THE NOTICES WERE RECEIVED? LIKE, YOU HAVE A SAYING THAT YOU'RE SENDING IT OUT, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THE MAIL CARRIER, EVERYBODY GOT IT.
BECAUSE IF THE MANAGING AGENT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ACCUSATION OR, OR A REFERENCE THAT THE MANAGING AGENT DIDN'T FORWARD IT TO SOMEBODY, IF I DIDN'T GET IT, HOW COULD I FORWARD IT TO SOMEBODY? SO EVEN THOUGH I'M ON A LIST, I DIDN'T RECEIVE THE NOTICES THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE OTHER TWO NOTICES.
I ALSO SPEAK TO THE ZONING ORDERS.
THIS PROJECT HAS CHANGED, UH, VARIATIONS TWICE NOW.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY TENNIS BUBBLES, THEN IT WAS TENNIS BUBBLES, NOW IT'S TENNIS BUBBLES AND NETTING.
SORRY, THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE RIGHT NOW.
WELL, I GUESS THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS IS THAT MY QUESTION ABOUT THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS IS, YES, IT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD THAT THE NOTICES GO OUT, BUT HOW IS THAT PROOF THAT THEY'RE RECEIVED? ALL RIGHT.
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AND WHO ELSE WAS IT WHO WANTED TO SPEAK? OKAY, MS. CLEMENTINE, GO AHEAD, PLEASE.ALL, ALL I WANTED TO SAY ABOUT THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS WAS YOU HAVE GAR CHESTER REALTY AS OUR MANAGING AGENT, AND GAR CHESTER REALTY IS NO LONGER AT THAT ADDRESS.
THEY HAVE SENT OUT NO ADDRESS TO THE TOWNS, COUNTIES.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT THE ONLY MESSAGE
THEREFORE, 80 EAST AND 50, UM, WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BE NOTIFIED BY DOCHESTER.
MADAM CHAIR, JUST OUTTA RESPECT FOR MS. BLOOM, I'M GONNA VERY QUICKLY READ WHAT SHE WROTE IN THE CHAT AS DIRECT MESSAGE TO ME.
THE PROPERTY, THIS IS MS. DEBORAH BLOOM.
THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY IS NOT THE OWNER, THE SHAREHOLDERS ARE, WE WERE NOT NOTICED.
THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IN THE BUSINESS DISTRICT IS NOT THE OWNER OF THE BUSINESSES.
AS A BOARD MEMBER AT 80 EAST, I KNOW OF NO ONE CONNECTED WITH THE PROPERTY WHO MET WITH THE APPLICANT.
INSOFAR AS THE 250 FEET IS CONCERNED, WE WERE TOLD THAT WE WERE OUTSIDE THAT DISTANCE.
FINALLY, REGARDING THE ROLE OF THE TOWN BOARD, IT WAS THE BOARD ITSELF THAT TOLD US THAT AT THE Z P A GRANT, THE VARIANCE, THE MATTER WAS MOOT.
UM, MADAM CHAIR, I'M GONNA TURN IT TO YOU.
AS I WAS ABOUT TO SAY, THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT I FEEL WE NEED THE BOARD NEEDS TO EXPLORE VERY BRIEFLY.
I'D LIKE TO CALL AN ATTORNEY-CLIENT MEETING AT THIS TIME IF WE COULD.
UH, MR. LIEBER BERMAN, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, CONSTITUTES A VOTE NECESSARY.
DO I HAVE, DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL GIVE YOU A MOTION.
ALL IN FAVOR OF US HAVING CLIENT? YES.
HAVING SECOND, AND SEEING THE MEMBERS HAVING VOTED IN FAVOR OF US HAVING AN ATTORNEY-CLIENT MEETING AT THIS POINT, I WOULD ASK THAT WE BE ALLOWED JUST A BRIEF PERIOD OF TIME SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS SOME QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN, THAT HAVE ARISEN AS A RESULT OF WHAT WE'VE HEARD THIS EVENING.
UM, IF
AND, AND IF YOU COULD ASSIST ME THERE, THAT'LL SPEED THIS PROCESS UP.
THERE'S NO OTHER FASTER WAY TO DO IT.
UM, AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON HOW TO DO THAT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
AND IF YOU ARE PUT IN THE WAITING ROOM, PLEASE NOTE THAT, UM, WE'LL BRING YOU BACK AS SOON AS EXECUTIVE SESSION IS OVER.
AND JANELLE, YOU CAN CUT THE FEED AT THIS POINT, PLEASE.
GARRETT, HOW DO WE ACTUALLY PUT PEOPLE IN THE WAITING ROOM HAVING HAD OUR BRIEF, UH, ATTORNEY-CLIENT MEETING? DO I HAVE A MOTION TO REOPEN? UH, CASE NUMBER 2208 SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB.
I'LL, SHAWNA, IF YOU COULD KINDLY UNMUTE AND VERBALIZE, UH, I SO MOVE AND I HAVE A SECOND.
SO WE HAVE THREE VOTES TO REOPEN.
ONE VOTE AGAINST, AND THERE WE ARE.
FOR THE RECORD, WHO IS THE, UH, VOTE AGAINST? I'M SORRY.
SO WE HAD FOUR YES VOTES AND ONE NO FROM LEWIS, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
GOING BACK TO OUR AGENDA, JUST TO MADAM CHAIR, JUST SO, SO SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT JUST AS A POINT OF, UH, UH, I GUESS PROCEDURE, WILL THERE BE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS MATTER, UH, TONIGHT? UH, NO.
I EXPECT IT RETIC, RIGHT? JUST WE HAVE TO RE-NOTICE IT FIRST.
SO WE DIDN'T ALL STAY ON, RIGHT? NO, WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE AGENDA.
AND CASE 21, 26 BLOOM ENERGY CORPORATION.
I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT THE BOARD.
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BACK TO CASE 2126.UH, THEY HAVE ASKED AGAIN FOR AN ADJOURNMENT FOR PURPOSES, UM, THAT ARE REQUIRED BEFORE THEY CAN GO FORWARD.
SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ALLOW THEM TO THE ADJOURNED TO THE MEETING OF JULY 14TH? SO MOVED.
ORLEY GAS PROPERTY AT, NO, I'M SORRY.
SO I'M GONNA, THE NEXT CASE IS TWO OH FOUR OH TWENTY TWO OH FOUR, UH, SIX TWENTY FIVE DOBBS FERRY REALTY PROPERTY AT SIX TWENTY FIVE DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
AND DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ALLOW THEM TO ADJOURN? NO, THEY'RE NOT MAKING IT.
THEY HAVEN'T MADE A MOTION OF REQUEST TO ADJOURN.
I THOUGHT WE, YOU, YOU HAD THE RIGHT, OH, I HAD THE RIGHT CASE.
I WAS TRYING TO GET THE CASES THAT PEOPLE HAVE ASKED FORGERS ON OUT OF THE WAY SO THAT INDIVIDUALS ARE NOT, UM, NECESSARILY SITTING HERE THIS EVENING.
AND MY 20, THAT WOULD BE 2205.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT, UM, WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT MATTER THIS EVENING? OTHER THAN THE APPLICANT, OBVIOUSLY, WHICH MATTER? MADAM CHAIR 2205 ORLEY GAS PROPERTY AT CLATON PLACE.
SO GOING BACK TO WHERE I WAS, DO WE HAVE A MOVE THAT WE ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO ADJOURN? DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
AND I THINK NOW WE GO TO CASE TWENTY TWO OH FOUR SIX TWENTY FIVE.
AND WHO DO WE HAVE ADDRESSING THE MATTER THIS EVENING? GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, THIS IS KEITH PETSKY.
I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
UH, AS YOU RECALL, THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR USE VARIANCE FOR CARLSON'S NURSERY.
UH, THIS IS A FAMILY OWNED NURSERY THAT SEEKS TO REMOVE TWO GREENHOUSES AND CONSTRUCT A DIMENSIONALLY CONFORMING STRUCTURE THAT WILL HOUSE A CASH REGISTER AREA FOR NURSERY, UH, PRODUCTS, UM, AND, UH, FARM MARKET PRODUCTS.
UH, THE CARLSON'S PROPERTY IS 3.7 ACRES.
THE NURSERY HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS SINCE 1939, AND IT'S LOCATED ON THE STATE ROAD NEXT TO THE SPRING GROVE PARKWAY AND A HIGH TENSION CON EDISON EASEMENT.
UH, JUST TO PROVIDE A QUICK RECAP, UH, AFTER YOU RECEIVED SUPPORT FROM THE TOWN BOARD AND LOCAL COMMUNITY MEMBERS, WE FILED THE DETAILED APPLICATION WITH THE ZONING BOARD IN FEBRUARY.
UH, WE INCLUDED A MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT AS WELL AS AN AFFIDAVIT FROM THE OWNER EXPLAINING WHY HE MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A VARIANCE.
UH, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THE PROFIT AND LOSS STATEMENTS DEMONSTRATE THAT THE NURSERY'S OPERATING AT A LOSS AND THE FARM MARKET IS DESIGNED TO, UM, ALLOW THE NURSERY TO SURVIVE.
BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE NATURE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE STRATEGIC DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED FARM MARKET STRUCTURE, THERE WILL BE NO IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY.
TO THE CONTRARY, THE FARM MARKET, UM, WILL BE A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT'LL BEAUTIFY THE PROPERTY AND PROVIDE FRESH FRUIT, VEGETABLES AND RELATED ITEMS TO THE TOWN.
IN MARCH, THE BOARD HAD SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING TRAFFIC AND PARKING.
UH, WE SUBMITTED A DETAILED ITEMIZED RESPONSE TO ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS, INCLUDING A DETAILED TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, UM, FROM D T SS PROVIDENCE DESIGN, UH, ENGINEERING.
UH, AND THE TRAFFIC STUDY CONCLUDED THAT THERE WILL BE NO TRAFFIC OR PARKING ISSUES CAUSED BY THIS APPLICATION.
UM, SINCE THEN, NO ISSUES HAVE ARISEN.
IN APRIL, THE BOARD, UH, INDICATED THAT THE APPLICANT A ADEQUATELY RESPONDED TO ITS QUESTIONS AND DECLARED ITS, UH, INTENT TO ACT AS LEAD AGENCY.
IN MAY, THERE WERE NO COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD OR THE PUBLIC.
UH, BUT THE 30 DAY, WEEK PERIOD FOR THE LEAD AGENCY NOTICE HADN'T EXPIRED.
NOW THAT 30 DS HAS EXPIRED, WE'RE ASKING THE BOARD TO KINDLY VOTE YES.
UM, TO APPROVE THE USE VARIANCE FOR CARONS.
WE HAD, I THINK, VERY BRIEFLY RAISED SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PRODUCTS THAT YOU WOULD, UM, OFFER FOR, UH, FOR SALE.
IS THERE, DID YOU PROVIDE US WITH ESSENTIALLY, UH,
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A COMPLETE LIST OF WHAT IT, WHAT IT WOULD BE OR NOT? YES, WE DID.WE SUBMITTED A, A COMPLETE LIST IN OUR, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN OUR APRIL SUBMISSION.
UM, AND, UM, AS THE BOARD RECALLS, THE, THE APPLICANT OWNS AND OPERATES A SIMILAR FARM MARKET UP IN CORTLAND FARM AND THIS FARM MARKET THAT, UH, THE CARLSON'S NURSERY'S DESIGNED TO REPLICATE THAT.
UM, AND THERE ARE ALSO SOME OTHER FARM MARKETS AT NURSERIES IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, AND WE'RE LOOKING TO OFFER SIMILAR PRODUCT LINE TO THOSE NURSERIES.
SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY A LOT OF FRUITS AND VEGETABLES, MILK, EGGS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
TYPICAL FARM MARKET FAIR, EXCEPT IT APPEARS THAT BECAUSE OF THE, THE SIZE OF YOUR, UM, LOCATION, THE ITEMS THAT YOU ACTUALLY ARE PRODUCING THERE OR, OR ARE GROWING, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY, UM, ARE SOMEWHAT LIMITED.
IS THAT, WOULD THAT BE A CORRECT STATEMENT? WELL, IT'S LIMITED IN THE, IN THE SENSE THAT THIS IS REALLY A COMMERCIAL GREENHOUSE OPERATION.
THERE AREN'T LARGE ORCHARDS OR THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE YOU'D BE ABLE TO GROW THINGS LIKE APPLES.
UH, THERE ARE NO COWS ON SITE, SO ANY MILK'S GONNA COME FROM OFFSITE.
THERE ARE NO CHICKENS ON SITE.
SO ANY EGGS ARE GONNA COME FROM OFFSITE.
SO THESE ARE ALL PRODUCTS THAT ARE OFFERED BY OTHER FARM MARKETS IN THE AREA, UM, WOULD SIMILARLY SOURCE THEM FROM, FROM OFFSITE.
UM, BUT THE FARM MARKET ITSELF WILL BE RELATIVELY SMALL CONTAINED, UM, MARKET.
IT'S NOT DESIGNED TO BE A FULL SERVICE MARKET AT, BY ANY STRETCH.
IT'S, IT'S DESIGNED TO BE, UM, UH, UH, A FARM MARKET IN THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING WILL LIMIT THE OFFERINGS, UM, NATURALLY.
SO OTHER THAN HEATING, THE, THE PIES THAT I THINK YOU, YOU INDICATED WOULD COME OFF, OFF, UH, LOCATION, WOULD THERE BE ANY OTHER PRODUCTS THAT YOU WOULD EITHER BE PRODUCING OR, YES.
AS AN, AS AN ATTRACTION, I'LL PUT IT THAT WAY.
UH, IF IT, WELL, IF YOU CONSIDER A DONUT MACHINE ATTRACTION, WHICH MANY PEOPLE DO, THEN YES, THERE'S A DONUT MACHINE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UH, THE PRODUCT, IT'S A SELF-CONTAINED MACHINE AND, AND THE, THE DOUGH GOES IN ONE SIDE AND THE DONUTS, UM, COME OUT ON A CONVEYOR BELT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
AND OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S, UM, IT'S ALL, YOU KNOW, FRUIT, VEGETABLES, MILK, EGGS, TYPICAL FARM MARKET PRODUCTS.
WELL, WELL TO THE, TO THE DONUT MACHINE, BECAUSE AS A CHILD, THAT WAS THE ONE THING I LIKED TO SEE WAS THE DONUT MACHINE.
AND WATCHING THEM FRYING AND FLIPPING OVER, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY STILL FRY THEM IN OIL THE WAY THEY USED TO, 'CAUSE THAT WAS A LOT OF YEARS AGO.
AND YOU KNOW, WHERE I, WHERE I LIVED AT THE TIME, PEOPLE WOULD LINE UP, YOU KNOW, UP TO GET THOSE HOT DONUTS AND THAT CAN REALLY CREATE QUITE A, UH, UH, A CROWD.
YEAH, IT'S A VALID CONCERN, MADAM CHAIR.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS APPLICATION IS THAT, AGAIN, THIS FARM MARKET REPLICATES AN EXISTING FARM MARKET IN CORTLAND WHERE THEY HAVE SUCH A DONUT MACHINE AND THE TRAFFIC COUNTS THAT WE USE IN OUR TRAFFIC STUDY WERE TAKEN FROM THE CORTLAND MARKET.
SO, UM, WHILE, WHILE, UM, I, I WOULD HOPE THAT THE DONUT MACHINE IS SOMEWHAT OF A DRAW, THAT'S THE IDEA.
PART OF THE IDEA BEHIND THE FARM MARKET IS TO CAPTURE NEW CUSTOMERS TO KEEP THE NURSERY AFLOAT.
UM, I I WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT, UM, THE FARM MARKET, INCLUDING THE DONUT MACHINE, IS NOT GOING TO CREATE SUCH A HUGE DRAW THAT IT'S GOING TO CREATE ANY, UH, TRAFFIC OR PARKING ISSUES.
THERE ARE ALREADY AMPLE PARKING SPACES AT THE PROPERTY.
AND, UH, WE MEET THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UM, MANY OF THE PARKING SPACES, IF THE EXISTING, UH, FARM MARKET IN PORTLAND WERE NOT BEING UTILIZED.
SO, SO THE PORTLAND FARM, UH, WAS, UH, OVER PARKED.
AND WE EXPECT THE, THE SAME AT THIS PROPERTY.
NOW, OF COURSE, IT'S A NURSERY, SO THERE ARE GONNA BE CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR, LIKE IN, IN, IN THE FALL, UH, AND THE SPRING WHEN MORE PEOPLE ARE NATURALLY GOING TO THE NURSERY.
AND THE HOPE IS THAT, UM, THE OWNER IS GOING TO TAKE THOSE NURSERY CUSTOMERS WHO ARE COMING ANYWAY TO BUY THEIR SHRUBS OR THEIR PUMPKINS OR WHAT HAVE YOU, AND CONVERT THEM INTO FARM MARKET CUSTOMERS AS WELL.
SO THEIR CUSTOMERS WERE ALREADY GOING TO THE PROPERTY, BUT NOW INSTEAD OF BUYING ONE PRODUCT, THEY'RE BUYING TWO TO THREE OR FOUR PRODUCTS, WHICH RESULTS IN MORE REVENUE TO THE OWNER.
SO THE, THE DONUT MACHINE REALLY WOULD OPERATE TO GENERATE FRESH DONUTS.
IT WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD MAKE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HAVE FOR SALE AT A LATER TIME.
SO THERE'S REALLY GOING TO BE NO FOOD PREPARATION ON SITE.
FOR EXAMPLE, HE'S GONNA BE SELLING BREAD, BUT THE BREAD IS SOURCED OFFSITE.
HE DOESN'T BAKE THE BREAD ON SITE.
UM, THE DONUTS ARE, ARE SOMEWHAT UNIQUE IN THE SENSE THAT THEY WILL BE FACTUALLY PRODUCED ON SITE.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S A SELF-CONTAINED MACHINE.
THE DOUGH GOES IN ONE SIDE, UM, THE DONUTS COME
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OUT THE OTHER SIDE.IT'S ALMOST LIKE, UH, A CONVEYOR BELT.
UM, AND IT'S SET UP LIKE A SELF AUTOMATED CONVEYOR BELT WHEN YOU COMPARE THE TWO LOCATIONS.
UM, HOW IS THE POPULATION THOUGH, HERE IN GREENBURG AND GIVE CONSIDERATION TO THE FACT THAT YOU'RE RIGHT OFF A, A, A PARKWAY AND PROBABLY IN A MORE DENSE AREA.
WOULD THAT HAVE SOME PERHAPS EFFECT WITH REGARD TO THE DRAW THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT REALLY WON'T.
UM, AND, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE EVEN THE CORTLAND FARM MARKET HAPPENS TO BE ON A STATE ROAD AND VERY CLOSE TO THE, I THINK IT'S THE TENET PARKWAY.
SO IT, IT'S REALLY REMARKABLE HOW MANY, UH, SIMILARITIES THERE ARE BETWEEN THE TWO.
I COULDN'T SPEAK AS THE POPULATION DENSITY.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC GOING BACK AND FORTH ON DOS SPRAY ROAD REGARDLESS.
UH, THE HOPE AGAIN, IS THAT WE CONVERT EXISTING NURSERY CUSTOMERS AND IF, UM, NEW CUSTOMERS STOP ON THEIR WAY HOME FROM WORK BECAUSE THEY WANT TO PICK UP SOME FRESH FRUIT AND VEGETABLES, UM, TO, TO MAKE THE, THE FAMILY FOR DINNER, UM, THEN, UM, WE HAVE ADEQUATE, UH, TRAFFIC, CIRCULATION AND PARKING TO, UH, TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE NEW CUSTOMERS AS WELL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? THE BOARD IS VERY STOIC TONIGHT.
CHRISTIE, YOU WERE SAYING SOMETHING, BUT I COULDN'T HEAR YOU.
UM, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WANTS TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? OKAY, MOVING ON THEN.
THE NEXT CASE IS 2215 MARION WOODS, L L C PROPERTY AT 1 52 RIDGE ROAD.
AND WHO DO WE HAVE WITH REGARD TO THIS MATTER? UH, GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR JOHN KIRKPATRICK REPRESENTING MARIAN WOODS INC.
UH, I'M AN ATTORNEY IN, UH, CITY PLANNER.
I'VE BEEN, UH, PRACTICING LAND USE LAW FOR ABOUT 40 YEARS, UH, UP AND DOWN THE LOWER HUDSON VALLEY.
UM, THIS APPLICATION, UH, HAS SOME INTERESTING HISTORY.
UH, BUT FIRST LEMME JUST SAY THAT, UM, WHAT WE'RE REALLY AFTER IS A SUBDIVISION.
UM, BUT IT NEEDS SOME VARIANCES.
UM, AND I WANNA INTRODUCE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE.
UH, SISTER JEAN GILLIGAN FROM MARION WOODS IS HERE.
SISTER JEAN, WOULD YOU, UH, WADE? THANK YOU.
AND, UH, MICHAEL MULLIN IS THE ARCHITECT, UH, MICHAEL, THERE YOU ARE.
UH, AND WE ALSO HAVE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER WITH US, MICHAEL ANTE FROM HARVEST TO HANOVER.
UH, JUST IN CASE THERE ARE ANY KINDS OF QUESTIONS.
UM, THIS USED TO BE A PROPERTY CALLED THE GEISSMAN ESTATE.
YOU KNOW IT NOW, UH, AS A PARK.
UH, BUT IT HAPPENS THAT, UH, IN THE 1950S, UH, THE COUNTY OF WESTCHESTER WERE, LOOK, WAS LOOKING FOR A SITE FOR A COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
UM, MR. GEISSMAN DIDN'T WANNA SELL HIS ESTATE.
THEY THREATENED TO CONDEMN IT, SO HE GAVE IT TO THE ARCHDIOCESE INSTEAD TO PREVENT IT BEING CONDEMNED.
WELL, IN 1995, MR. GEISSMAN HAD PASSED AWAY.
MRS. GEISSMAN HAD DECIDED SHE WANTED TO MOVE ON.
UH, AND THE ARCHDIOCESE RETAINED ME, UH, TO INVESTIGATE, UM, MAYBE THE PROPERTY COULD BE SOLD FOR DEVELOPER.
UH, BUT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THIS, THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING ANYBODY WANTED.
AND THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY AND THE STATE ALL GOT TOGETHER, KICKED IN THE MONEY NECESSARY, AND PURCHASED THE PROPERTY FROM THE ARCHDIOCESE.
AND THEN IN 1999, THIS WAS COMPLETED WITH A SUBDIVISION, WHICH CREATED THE HARTS BROOK PRESERVE, BUT WITH A FLAG LOT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT THAT CONTAINS A MANSION, SOME OUTBUILDINGS, AND A RETIREMENT RESIDENCE THAT MARION WOODS INC.
IS A CONSORTIUM OF CIS SIX SISTERS
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OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.AND ITS INTENTION IS TO PROVIDE A RETIREMENT HOME FOR ELDERLY SISTERS.
AND THAT'S WHAT IT DOES INITIALLY.
ONE OF THE ORDERS, THE SISTERS OF MERCY, YOU MAY REMEMBER THE SISTERS OF MERCY, THAT'S MERCY COLLEGE.
UM, ALL SORTS OF OTHER PROPERTIES, UH, OVER, UH, ON THE HUDSON RIVER.
UM, BUT WE'RE DOWN TO THE POINT WHERE THE SISTERS OF MERCY WERE USING THE MANSION AS THEIR MOTHER HOUSE AND THEIR OFFICE SPACE.
SO THE VARIOUS SISTERS WERE IN AND OUT, UH, GOING OUT TO, TO THEIR, THEIR JOBS AS SISTERS.
BUT, UH, THIS WAS, THIS WAS THEIR MOTHER HOUSE.
IT CAME TO THE POINT THAT THE SISTERS OF MERCY DON'T NEED IT ANYMORE.
AND MARION WOODS, UH, WHICH OWNS THE WHOLE PROPERTY, WOULD LIKE TO SELL THE MANSION.
UH, NOW THIS WAS ALL LAID OUT, UH, ESSENTIALLY AS IT HAD BEEN THE ORIGINAL ESTATE.
UH, THERE'S A, UH, WESTERLY ENTRANCE THROUGH TO BEAUTIFUL STONE PILLARS THAT LEADS YOU RIGHT TO THE OLD STABLES, UH, WHERE THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL GARDEN.
UH, THEN THAT CIRCULAR DRIVE GOES PAST THE MANSION AND TAKES YOU BACK OUT, UH, THE EAST OF THE END THROUGH, AGAIN, TWO BEAUTIFUL STONE PILLARS.
SO WE EXAMINE ALL KINDS OF OPTIONS, UH, AS TO HOW IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE, UH, TO CREATE, UH, ANOTHER DRIVEWAY, UH, ANOTHER, ANOTHER SET OF DRIVEWAYS, SOME OTHER KIND OF CIRCULATION.
UH, NONE OF THAT MADE ANY SENSE.
AND OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER WOULD BE HAPPY TO TELL YOU WHY.
SO WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU WITH A PROPOSAL TO CREATE WHAT IS FRANKLY A LANDLOCKED PARCEL THAT WILL HAVE THE OLD ORIGINAL MANSION ON IT.
IT WILL NOW BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
THERE WILL NOT BE A LOT OF PEOPLE GOING IN AND OUT.
UM, AND IT WILL HAVE ALL OF ITS ACCESSED VIA, UH, THE, THE SAME DRIVEWAY SYSTEM, UH, THAT COMES IN AT THE WESTERN END AND GOES OUT AT THE EASTERN END.
UM, I'M GONNA ASK MICHAEL ELLI TO, UH, SCREEN SHARE AND SHOW YOU THE SITE PLAN AND SHOW YOU WHAT IT IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE AND WHY WE NEED SOME VARIANCES AND WHAT THOSE VARIANCES ARE.
UH, MICHAEL, CAN I TURN IT OVER TO YOU? SO, UH, THE, UH, I PRESUME, UH, MADAM CHAIR, EVERYONE CAN HEAR ME AND SEE THE, THE, UH, SITE PLAN? YES.
SO THE SITE CURRENTLY IS JUST OVER 11 ACRES.
AND, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING A SUBDIVISION JUST UNDER ONE ACRE.
AND THAT ALLOWS THAT THE MAIN SITE WITH THE RETIREMENT HOME, UM, WOULD BE AT LEAST 10 ACRES IN SIZE, WHICH IS A REQUIREMENT FOR ITS FUNCTION.
SO PART OF CREATING THIS NEW LOT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T PUT THE MAIN LOT INTO ANY NEED FOR A VARIANCE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE OVERALL SITE IS A FLAG SITE WITH A 50 FOOT WIDE, 120 FOOT LONG, UH, BRANCH OF, UH, WHERE THE STEM OF THAT FLAG THAT REACHES OUT TO THE ROAD.
UH, THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE RETIREMENT HOME THAT WAS BUILT.
THIS IS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL OUTBUILDINGS, AND THIS IS THE ORIGINAL MANSION.
THE SITE THEN THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS REALLY, UH, CONFINES ITSELF AROUND THAT MANSION SO THAT WE CREATE THIS, UH, SLIGHTLY PARALLELOGRAM SITE.
WE TAKE THE BORDER ALL THE WAY TO THE EXISTING EASTERN BORDER.
THE NORTHERN EDGE IS ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD SO THAT THE ROAD THAT CONNECTS MARION WOODS TO THE STREET IS, UH, STILL ON THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THIS SITE WOULD HAVE AN EASEMENT ACROSS THAT IN ORDER TO GET THERE.
AND THEN ON THE WEST, WE ZIG THIS LINE JUST A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THIS SHADED AREA SHOWS, UH, WHAT IS CURRENTLY GRASS.
BUT WHAT IN THE PREVIOUS SITE PLAN APPROVAL WAS RESERVED FOR FUTURE PARKING, IF IT SHOULD EVER BE NEEDED.
SO ONCE WE CREATE THIS SITE, WE HAVE THREE VARIANCES.
WE NEED ONE VARIANCE IS ON FRONTAGE.
EVERY LOT IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE AT LEAST 25 FEET IN AN R 20 ZONE.
AND WE HAVE ZERO FEET IN TERMS OF OUR FRONTAGE.
'CAUSE NONE OF THE LOT ACTUALLY REACHES THE EXISTING STREET.
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VARIANCE WE NEED IS THE, UH, SIDE LOT.UH, IT REQUIRES, UM, UH, 20, UH, 18 FEET, BUT WE DON'T GET THAT FOR THE ENTIRE LENGTH BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO RESPECT THE PREVIOUS SPACES THAT WERE RESERVED.
WE MAINTAIN 18 FEET HERE, BUT THEN WE HAVE TO ZIG IN IN ORDER TO AVOID IMPOSING THE LOT ONTO THOSE RESERVED FUTURE PARKING SPACES.
SO THAT WOULD BE OUR SECOND VARIANCE WE WOULD NEED.
AND THE THIRD IS, UH, THE F A R.
THE HOUSE IS JUST, UM, VERY LARGE.
IT'S GOT ABOUT 5,500 SQUARE FEET ON THE FIRST FLOOR, 5,000 ON THE SECOND FLOOR, AND 2000 ON THE THIRD FLOOR.
SO IT'S REALLY HAS ABOUT, UM, 12,500 GROSS SQUARE FEET OF LIVABLE, LIVABLE SPACE.
AND FOR THE LOT THAT IS, WHICH IS JUST A LITTLE LESS THAN AN ACRE, IT REQUIRES A VARIANCE ON THE F A R, UH, SO THAT WE NO LONGER.
UM, SO THE HOUSE WOULD BE TECHNICALLY TOO BIG FOR THE SITE IF YOU WERE TO BUILD IT NEW.
SO LET ME JUST SHOW YOU TWO OTHER IMAGES.
UM, I'M GONNA STOP SHARING FOR A SECOND AND THEN I'LL SHARE ANOTHER IMAGE IN CASE YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR.
THIS IS WHAT THE HOUSE LOOKS LIKE FROM THE FRONT, AND THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE BACK.
SO SINCE THE SISTERS DON'T REALLY HAVE A NEED FOR IT, WE THINK IT'S MORE VIABLE AND A BETTER CONTRIBUTION TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, BECAUSE EVENTUALLY THE BUILDING WOULD BECOME A LIABILITY TO MAINTAIN IT WHEN IT'S NOT BEING USED.
IF WE CAN SELL IT, THEN THE NEW OWNERS HAVING FALLEN IN LOVE WITH IT WILL PRESERVE IT.
AND, UH, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE MOTIVATIONS.
UH, 'CAUSE ONE OF THE OPTIONS THEN IS SIMPLY TO REMOVE THE BUILDING.
AND THAT'S NOT AN OUTCOME THAT WE REALLY WANNA PURSUE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THEN ABOUT THE, THE LOT OR THE SIZE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WHEN YOU SAY YOU REFER TO THE NEW, THE NEW OWNERS, DO YOU HAVE THE, THE PROPERTY IN CONTRACT AT THIS TIME? WE DID HAVE THE PROPERTY IN CONTRACT, BUT UNFORTUNATELY IT HAS TAKEN A VERY LONG TIME, UH, TO GO THROUGH, UH, SUBDIVISION VARIANCE, ET CETERA.
AND, UH, THAT PARTICULAR PURCHASER GAVE UP.
BUT WE'RE VERY CONFIDENT, UH, ABOUT SELLING, UH, THIS PROPERTY.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A PARK.
AND BY THE WAY, THIS BRINGS IT BACK ON THE TAX ROLLS.
UM, WHAT, WHAT IF, IF, YOU KNOW, WAS THE PURPORTED USE FOR THE FULLER HOUSE BY THE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAD BEEN INTERESTED? UH, THEY WERE GONNA USE IT FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY.
CAN I ASK SOME QUESTIONS? NO, I WAS JUST COUGHING.
CAN I ASK SOME QUESTIONS? YES.
SO IF I UNDERSTAND THIS, YOU WANNA TAKE WHAT IS A, THIS HOUSE THAT WAS AN OFFICE FOR THE CONVENT AND MAKE IT INTO A PRIVATE HOME? AND ARE THERE, SO AS A PRIVATE HOME, UM, AND THIS MAY BE OUTSIDE WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO LOOK AT, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE NEW OWNERS COULD BUILD AN OLYMPIC SIZE POOL, THEY COULD RENT IT OUT AS AN AIRBNB, IT COULD BE, UM, A PARTY HOUSE FOR, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT 20 BEDROOMS. YOU COULD CERTAINLY TURN THIS INTO A GREAT RENTAL AIRBNB AND HAVE HUGE GIANT PARTY.
WELL, SEAN J JUST, UH, WE'LL DEFINITELY LET YOU FINISH ALL YOUR QUESTIONS, BUT JUST TO BE CLEAR, UM, AIRBNB IS NOT PERMISSIBLE IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
NONE OF THE ABOVE THINGS WOULD BE PERMITTED WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY ZONE.
AS FAR AS A POOL, YES, A POOL COULD BE CONSTRUCTED, BUT IT WOULD BE WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE SETBACKS AND, UH, THE ZONING PARAMETERS OF THE TOWN.
AND USE AS A RESIDENTIAL, NOT AS A, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ROOM FOR A POOL.
SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO, UH, JOT JUTT IN THERE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTAND.
I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE TAKING WHAT'S ESSENTIALLY CURRENTLY PARKLAND, AND THIS WOULD TURN IT INTO A PRIVATE RESIDENCE.
THE SISTER'S, UH, IN THE, IN THE ARRANGEMENT THEY MADE, UH, WITH THE ARCHDIOCESE AND THE TOWN OF GREENBURG AND THE STATE OF NEW YORK AND THE COUNTY OF WESTCHESTER, WAS TO CREATE HARTSBURG PRESERVE AROUND THIS PROPERTY.
SO THE MAP THAT, UM, MICHAEL HAS SHARED WITH YOU SHOWS THAT THIS
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IS, UH, A LOT WITH A LITTLE FLAG OUT TO RIDGE ROAD THAT EXISTS SEPARATELY, ENTIRELY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARK.UH, IT, IT HAPPENS TO BE, BECAUSE IT'S A RELIGIOUS PROPERTY, IT HAPPENS TO BE TAX EXEMPT.
UH, AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO, TO JUST SEPARATE OUT THE MANSION, MAKE IT A SINGLE FAMILY, PRIVATE HOME.
AND OF COURSE IT WOULD BE BACK ON THE TAX ROLLS AS A RELIGIOUS PROPERTY.
NOW, ARE THERE RESTRICTIONS, ARE THERE RESTRICTIONS ON HOW IT COULD BE USED AND ALL OF THAT THAT WILL SOMEHOW COME OFF WITH THIS CHANGE? UH, THE RESTRICTIONS ARE VERY, VERY BROAD.
THAT IS TO SAY THEY ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE A TAX EXEMPTION BECAUSE IT'S A RELIGIOUS USE.
THERE ARE NO TOWN ZONING REQUIREMENTS THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT RESTRICT HOW A RELIGIOUS USE IS USED.
THE, IT RUNS THE OTHER WAY AS NOW BECOMING A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE THAT IS PRIVATELY OWNED AND ON THE TAX ROLLS THAT IS COMPLETELY SUBJECT TO TOWN ZONING.
AND, AND THE QUESTION IS ALSO, UH, FIRST OF ALL, IT, IT WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL IN THE DRAWINGS IF THE BUILDINGS HAD BEEN IDENTIFIED.
'CAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A MANSION AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A RESIDENCE FOR THE SISTERS TO LIVE IN.
THAT WAS NOT CLEAR AS I TRIED TO FOLLOW ALL THIS.
MICHAEL, LET'S, LET'S GO BACK TO THAT AND POINT THAT OUT.
I, I THINK I'VE, HIS PRESENTATION EXPLAINED IT.
SO HOW DOES THIS IMPACT, UM, THE FUTURES, I MEAN, REST OF THE PARCEL? I MEAN, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN UNFORTUNATELY ALL THE SISTERS MAY BE GONE, IS THIS THE BEGINNING OF TAKING THIS WHOLE PARCEL AND TURNING IT INTO PRIVATE RESIDENCES AND BREAKING IT UP AND SUBDIVIDING IT AND CREATING A LITTLE COMMUNITY WITHIN THE PARK? I DON'T KNOW, HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, IT'S, THERE WILL BE THIS SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
OF COURSE, NOW YOU ASK YOURSELF, ALRIGHT, THE SISTERS HAVE BUILT A RETIREMENT RESIDENCE.
WHAT COULD BE THE FUTURE OF THAT IF IT WERE NOT A RELIGIOUS USE? WHAT WILL THE TOWN ALLOW? I, I'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG AND I'VE
SO, YOU KNOW, I, I CAN'T, I CAN'T, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THE FUTURE MIGHT BE, BUT THIS IS AFTER ALL A RETIREMENT RESIDENCE WITH A CHAPEL.
UH, IT, IT'S A FAIRLY UNIQUE, UH, KIND OF STRUCTURE.
AND THERE IS, I'M, I'M SORRY TO SAY, IN ALL THE MANY ORDERS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, ALL THE MANY SISTERHOODS, UM, THIS IS AN ONGOING PROBLEM THAT THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY YOUNG PEOPLE COMING IN.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE GROWING OLDER WHO NEED THE KINDS OF FACILITIES THAT A RETIREMENT RESIDENCE PROVIDES.
IF I HAD TO GUESS, IT IS JUST A GUESS I WOULD SAY, IF ANYTHING, MARION WOODS, WHICH IS MADE UP OF SIX ORDERS, AND I SHOULD PROBABLY ASK SISTER JEAN TO JUMP IN ON THIS ONE.
IF ANYTHING, IF THERE CAME TO BE SOME ISSUE OF POPULATION, THEY MIGHT REACH OUT TO OTHER ORDERS.
SO I, I WOULD TEND TO THINK THAT, THAT THIS IS LIKELY TO REMAIN A RETIREMENT RESIDENCE FOR OLDER SISTERS FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
UH, SISTER JEAN? UH, YOU WANNA JUMP IN? YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MUTED.
WELL, AT THE VERY PRESENT TIME, WE DO EXTEND AN INVITATION TO OTHER RELIGIOUS CONGREGATIONS OF WOMEN WHO, UM, ALSO ARE SEEKING A HOME FOR THEIR ELDER SISTERS.
UM, AND THE, AND THE, UM, THE INTENT IS NOT TO SELL.
THE INTENT IS TO KEEP IT GOING
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FOR AS LONG AS IT COULD BE NEEDED.AND THAT, I WOULD SAY WOULD BE A MINIMUM OF 15 TO 20 YEARS, UM, THAT WE WILL, THAT THERE WILL BE A NEED FOR MION WOODS TO OPERATE IN THE WAY THAT IT IS OPERATING NOW AS A RETIREMENT HOME FOR, FOR RELIGIOUS WOMEN.
AND THEN IF I CAN JUST JUMP IN, IN THE DECADES LATER, IF THERE'S NO LONGER A NEED, THEN ANY CHANGE OF USE OR ANY CHANGE TO THE SITE COMES BEFORE THE TOWN OF GREENBURG AGAIN, UH, PLANNING ZONING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR SAY INTO WHAT HAPPENS TO IT.
SO, UH, IT, IT IS CONCEIVABLE THAT THERE MIGHT BE MANY DECADES WHERE ITS FUNCTION WILL CONTINUE, BUT TOWN OF GREENBERG STILL CONTROLS ANY CHANGE OF USE OF THE SITE, ANY PHYSICAL CHANGES TO THE SITE.
SO ARE YOU ALSO ASKING FOR A USE VARIANCE TO GO FROM A RELIGIOUS TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
UH, I, AND MAYBE I CAN STATE IT CLEARLY.
SO THERE'S AN 11 ACRE SITE WE'RE PEELING OFF A LITTLE LESS THAN ONE ACRE FOR THE HOUSE.
AND, UH, BASICALLY RETURNING IT BACK TO A RESIDENTIAL SITE IN THE R 20 ZONE.
SO IT'S NOT A CHANGE OF USE, IT'S NOT A SPECIAL USE.
IT'S BASICALLY RETURNING IT TO, UH, THE R 20 ZONE, A RESIDENTIAL SITE WITH A HOUSE ON IT THAT JUST REQUIRES THREE VARIANCES BECAUSE OF PREEXISTING CONDITIONS AND UNUSUAL NATURES, UH, THINGS ABOUT THE SITE WOULDN'T, BUT WOULDN'T THAT SAME R 20, I'M, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT CONFUSED.
R 20, WOULDN'T THAT BE EQUALLY TRUE OF THE REST OF THE WHOLE SITE IF THE REST OF THE SITE WAS BEING CHANGED? THE REST OF THE SITE IS NOT BEING CHANGED.
THE REST OF THE SITE IS STILL PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITHIN AN R 20 ZONE, AND AGAIN, I MADE REFERENCE TO IT EARLIER, SUCH A SITE NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST 10 ACRES.
AND THAT'S, AND WE'RE PRESERVING AT LEAST 10 ACRES FOR THAT REASON.
IF YOU'D LIKE, I, I, I CAN QUICKLY GO THROUGH THE, UH, JUSTIFICATIONS FOR AN AREA OF VARIANCE.
YOU, YOU GUYS HAVE PROBABLY DONE THIS A FEW THOUSAND TIMES AT THIS POINT, SO, UH, YEAH.
MICHAEL, WOULD YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE HANDY, UM, A MAP SHOWING, UH, AND I KNOW THAT YOU SUBMITTED THIS ALREADY, BUT A MAP SHOWING THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING, MARION WOODS ITSELF, THE RESIDENCE.
AS WELL AS THE, UM, I CAN SHARE THAT AGAIN.
SO THAT'S THE H UH, HOUSE, THE MANSION, AND THIS IS THE ENTIRE SITE.
I THINK THAT WILL BE VERY HELPFUL.
SO AGAIN, UH, A FLAG SITE LEADING TO RIDGE ROAD, THIS AREA WHERE THE ROAD IS, REMAINS ON THE PROPERTY OF MARION WOODS.
IT'S ONLY THIS LITTLE REGION IN HERE THAT IS BROKEN OFF FROM THE MAIN SITE.
THE RETIREMENT FACILITY AND THE CHAPEL ARE HERE.
AND THIS WAS A PREEXISTING OUTBUILDING THAT'S NOW JUST USED FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE SITE.
UH, THOSE THINGS WOULD NOT CHANGE.
THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD CHANGE WOULD BE, THIS IS NOW A PRIVATE RESIDENCE ON THE TAX ROLLS AS A, AS A 40, UM, 42,000 ROUGHLY.
IT'S JUST, IT DOESN'T HAVE FRONTAGE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE THE FULL SIDE.
AND IT'S A LITTLE LARGE FOR THE SITE, BUT WE CAN'T GIVE MORE LAND TO IT.
'CAUSE THEN WE PUT THE MAIN, UH, FUNCTION MARION WOOD SITE INTO A VARIANCE SITUATION.
UH, COULD YOU PLEASE JUST DETAIL FOR THE BOARD WHERE THE, UH, OFF STREET PARKING WOULD BE FOR THIS RESIDENCE? UM, I'LL SHARE AGAIN.
SO THE ONLY PHYSICAL CHANGES THAT WE'RE DOING ARE AT THE VERY FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
SO AS A PRIVATE RESIDENCE, IT NEEDS TWO PARKING SPACES.
SO WHEREAS CURRENTLY THE EXIT LANE HAS A CIRCLE THAT GOES AROUND AN ISLAND AND THEN OUT, WE'RE SPLITTING THAT OFF AT THE NEW PROPERTY LINE.
SO PEOPLE EXITING THE MARION WOOD SITE WOULD STILL JUST GO STRAIGHT ACROSS THE FRONT.
AND WE ARE PROPOSING AS A PHYSICAL CHANGE FENCE AND PLANTINGS, AND THERE'D BE, UH, PARKING SPACES RIGHT OFF OF THIS LANE THAT WOULD BE THE PROPOSED PARKING
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FOR THE, THE RESIDENTS.SO WE MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.
AND JUST THE LAST QUESTION, UM, ARE THERE ANY, UH, EASEMENTS THAT, UH, EXIST THAT HAVE TO BE EITHER AUGMENTED OR MODIFIED WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THE TOWN PARK OPERATIONS? YES.
UM, IT'S A FUNCTION OF THIS APPLICATION.
THERE, THERE WAS, THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN AN EASEMENT GRANTED TO THE TOWN, UH, FOR TRAFFIC, UM, EXITING HARTSBURG PRESERVE TO PASS BY THE FRONT OF THE MANSION AND, AND OUT THE EASTERLY DRIVEWAY.
UH, IT, IT APPEARS THAT EASEMENT WAS NEVER ACTUALLY CREATED, HOWEVER, THE TRAFFIC HAS BEEN USING IT.
SO CERTAINLY WE WILL PROVIDE A FORMAL EASEMENT DOCUMENT THAT WILL GUARANTEE THAT FOR THE FUTURE.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WANTED TO, UH, COMMENT ON THIS CASE THIS EVENING? I JUST WANTED TO PUT ON THE RECORD THE FACT THAT, UH, WE STILL ARE AWAITING, UM, A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING BOARD WITH REGARD TO THIS MATTER.
I, UM, I WISH WE HAD BEEN ABLE TO, UM, SET THAT UP CORRECTLY.
THE ONLY THING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD IS WAITING FOR IS A, UM, RECOMMENDATION FROM THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT THAT OUR STEEP SLOPE CLEARANCE FORM IS CORRECT.
WE ACTUALLY HAD SUBMITTED THE STEEP SLOPE CLEARANCE FORM WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT'S APPROVAL TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
SO YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR APPLICATION PACKAGE, BUT IT DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
SO, I I I, THIS THE, IT'S, IT'S EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTING TO ALL OF US, BUT WE CAN'T MOVE THIS ALONG MORE QUICKLY.
SO WAS THERE ANYONE WHO DID WISH TO COMMENT ON THIS MATTER THIS EVENING? UM, YES.
I, I'D LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION.
I'M A RESIDENT OF HARTSDALE AND I LIVE NEAR, UM, MARION WOODS.
UM, I AM, I KNOW THE PROPERTY AND NOW I'M WONDERING IF THIS IS A HUMONGOUS HOUSE, JUST TWO PARKING SPOTS, UH, IS, I MEAN, WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE GOING TO PARK IF THEY'RE VISITING AND THEY'RE, IF, IF IT'S IF'S LIKE 10, 15 ROOM HOUSE, THE TWO PARKING SPOTS ARE NOT NOW.
SO WHAT DO YOU PROPOSE WHERE PEOPLE WILL PARK, UH, IN THE PARK ITSELF? THAT'S, UH, I DON'T THINK THE PARKING ISSUE IS RESOLVED.
WELL, THAT, THAT IS THE ZONING REQUIREMENT OF TWO SPACES.
UH, AND OF COURSE, UH, AS MICHAEL POINTED OUT TO YOU, THAT THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF PARKING FOR THE RETIREMENT RESIDENTS, SO THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY ISSUE THERE.
THANK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ON IF WE COULD TO K 2216.
THIS IS PROPERTY AT 42 44 HAINES STREET, ELMSFORD.
GOOD EVENING CHAIRPERSON BUNTING SMITH AND MEMBERS OF Z V A.
UH, MY NAME'S DOMINIQUE ALBANO AND I'M AN ATTORNEY AT Z AND STEINZ.
TONIGHT I'M REPRESENTING RENARD MANAGEMENT AND THEIR AFFILIATE ASSET REALTY AND CONSTRUCTION GROUP IN CONNECTION WITH THEIR VARIANCE APPLICATION.
UM, BEFORE I BEGIN, I JUST WANT TO REQUEST OUR ENGINEER, PAUL DUMONT, BE ABLE TO SHARE HIS SCREEN WITH YOU.
SO WITH ME TONIGHT, ALONG WITH PAUL DUMONT IS DINO THOMASETTI FROM ASSET REALTY AND CONSTRUCTION GROUP, TOM ANTO FROM, UH, NAR MANAGEMENT AND MICHAEL RSEC FROM ARCO MURRAY ARCHITECTS.
SO JUST TO GIVE A BRIEF INTRO INTRODUCTION OF THE PROPERTY, IT'S LOCATED AT 42 DASH 44 HAYES STREET, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, AND IN THE TOWN OF ELMSFORD,
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IT IS ZONED IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.AND AS YOU'RE ALREADY AWARE, THIS IS A UNIQUE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S LOCATED IN BOTH THE TOWN AND THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD.
BUT A MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY IS IN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD.
BOTH MUNICIPALITIES ZONE THE PROPERTY IN A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AND ALLOW FOR SELF-STORAGE FACILITIES AS A PERMITTED USE.
UM, WE WANT, WE HAVE BEEN BEFORE THE GREENBURG PLANNING BOARD AND THE ELMSFORD BOARD OF TRUSTEES OVER THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS, AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT THE BULK REQUIREMENTS IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG AND THE ELMSFORD ARE VERY DIFFERENT IN THE TOWN OF, IN, I'M SORRY, IN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD.
WE'LL ONLY NEED TO SEEK TWO VARIANCES FOR PARKING, FOR PARKING AND REAR SETBACK.
SO THE CURRENT BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY, AS YOU SEE IN THIS AERIAL SHOT, IS A BIT IN, UM, NOT A BIT, BUT IS IN SERIOUS DIS DISREPAIR.
AND OUR CLIENTS WISH TO REDEVELOP AND CONSTRUCT A STATE-OF-THE-ART SELF-STORAGE FACILITY.
SO PAUL, IF YOU WANNA SHOW THE NEXT ONE.
SO OUR GOAL FOR THE PROJECT IS TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY AND CONSTRUCT A FIVE STORY SELF STORAGE FACILITY, UH, WITH APPROXIMATELY, UH, WITH APPROXIMATELY 1200 TO 1300 SELF STORAGE UNITS.
WE RECEIVED A MEMO FROM THE GREENBERG PLANNING DEPARTMENT FROM THEIR MAY 11TH, UH, DATED MAY 11TH, 2022.
THAT SAID THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL WILL RESULT IN A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT TO THE SITE OVERALL OVER EXISTING CONDITIONS.
SO AS YOU SEE, THIS IS OUR PROPOSED BUILDING, AND, UH, PAUL IS GOING TO TALK THROUGH THE SITE PLAN AND THE VARIANCES WE'LL BE SEEKING.
UM, FOR THE RECORD, PAUL MONT WITH J M C.
WERE THE SITE CIVIL ENGINEERS FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, UH, SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, WE HAVE, UH, A RENDERED SITE PLAN, UH, SHOWN ON THE SCREEN.
UH, JUST TO ORIENT EVERYBODY, UM, UH, NORTH IS TO THE TOP LEFT OF THIS PLAN, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, THERE'S HAVEN STREET, UM, ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SITE, UH, HAY STREET TO THE LEFT AND BERHAN AVENUE TO THE RIGHT WITH THE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARY, UH, UM, UH, RUNNING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE.
UH, SO AGAIN, UH, JUST TO REITERATE, WE'RE PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING BUILDING AND, AND CONSTRUCT A, UH, APPROXIMATE 28,000 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT, UH, SELF-STORAGE, UH, BUILDING.
UM, AS FAR AS THE SITE PLAN GOES, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, TWO CURB CUTS, UH, ONE ON, UH, HAYES STREET AND ONE ON HAN AVENUE.
AS SHOWN ON THE PLAN, UM, ALL OF THE, UM, ALL OF THE PARKING AND LOADING OPERATIONS WILL OCCUR, UH, IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING HERE.
AND THERE IS, UM, A, A RECESSED, UH, LOADING DOCK, UH, THAT IS, THAT IS, UH, BUILT INTO THE BUILDING AS WELL.
UM, IN ADDITION, WE'RE PROPOSING TO, UM, REMOVE SOME OF THE EXISTING IMPERVIOUS AREAS, UM, ALONG THE SIDES OF THE SITE AND, AND CREATE SOME LANDSCAPED AREAS, AND WE'VE DEVELOPED A LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THAT.
UM, UH, WE ARE REQUESTING, UM, UH, 10, UH, AREA VARIANCES, UH, FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, IN GENERAL, UM, THE PROPERTY, AS IT AS IT EXISTS TODAY, UH, DOES NOT CONFORM TO THE BULK REQUIREMENTS OF THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
UM, WE ARE LESSENING THE DEGREE OF THE NON-CONFORMITY, UH, FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE BULK CRITERIA IN, IN THE ALLY ZONE, BUT WE DO REQUIRE, UH, VARIANCES OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE WE'RE, UH, CONSTRUCTING A NEW BUILDING.
UH, SO IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE, UM, I CAN, I CAN QUICKLY RUN THROUGH THE LIST OF VARIANCES, UM, UNLESS YOU THINK IT'S NOT NECESSARY.
UH, SO AGAIN, REQUESTING 10 AREA VARIANCES.
UH, THE FIRST VARIANCE WE'RE REQUESTING IS FOR THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING COVERAGE.
UH, THE EXISTING BUILDING COVERAGE IS 64.5%.
WE'RE PROPOSING 62.2%, AND 15% IS PERMITTED IN THE LI ZONE.
UH, THE SECOND VARIANCE WE NEED IS FOR TOTAL BUILDING COVERAGE.
AGAIN, THE EXISTING BUILDING COVERAGE IS 64.5%, WE'RE PROPOSING 62.2% AND 20% IS PERMITTED.
UH, THE THIRD VARIANCE WE WERE REQUESTING IS FOR IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE.
UH, CURRENTLY, UH, THE EXISTING COVERAGE IS 97.7%.
WE'RE PROPOSING 88.1%, AND 80% IS PERMITTED.
UH, THE FOURTH VARIANCE WE REQUIRE IS FOR THE, UH, SIDE YARD SETBACK ON ONE SIDE, UH, 50 FEET IS REQUIRED.
UH, CURRENTLY THERE IS A ZERO LOT LINE SETBACK ON THE PROPERTY, AND WE ARE PROPOSING 12 AND A HALF FEET.
UH, ON ONE SIDE, UH, THE FIFTH VARIANCE WE REQUIRE IS FOR, UH, THE OTHER SIDE YARD SETBACK.
UH, CURRENTLY THERE IS A SETBACK OF 7.1 FEET.
WE'RE, UH, PROPOSING 12.5 FEET.
THE SIX VARIANCE WE REQUIRE IS FOR, UH, BOTH SIDE YARD SETBACKS.
A HUNDRED FEET IS REQUIRED, UH, 7.1 FEET IS EXISTING, AND 25 FEET IS PROPOSED.
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UH, THE SEVEN, UH, SEVENTH VARIANCE WE REQUIRE IS FOR THE REAR YARD SETBACK.UH, CURRENTLY THERE IS A 36 FOOT, UH, EXISTING REAR YARD SETBACK, AND WE'RE PROPOSING FIVE FEET.
UH, THE EIGHTH AND THE NINTH VARIANCES ARE FOR BUILDING HEIGHT.
UH, WE REQUIRE, UH, ONE VARIANCE FOR THE NUMBER OF STORIES AND ONE VARIANCE FOR THE BUILDING HEIGHT ITSELF.
UH, IN THE LI ZONE, UH, A BUILDING HEIGHT OF 45 FEET IS PERMITTED WITHIN THREE STORIES.
UH, WE ARE PROPOSING A 58.5, UH, FOOT TALL BUILDING, UH, WITHIN FIVE STORIES.
UH, AND LASTLY, UH, WE ARE REQUESTING A, UM, UH, A PARKING VARIANCE, UH, WHERE 30 SPACES ARE REQUIRED, UH, FOR A SELF-STORAGE USE IN THE TOWN.
AND WE ARE, UH, PROVIDING, UH, 14 SPACES.
UM, SO JUST TO, TO SUMMARIZE IN GENERAL, UM, WE ARE LESSENING THE NON-CONFORMANCE OF THE MAJORITY OF THE BULK CRITERIA, UH, AND WE FEEL THAT THE, THE PROJECT IS, IS A, IS AN IMPROVEMENT, UM, OVER THE EXISTING CONDITION.
SO, UM, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DOMINIQUE AGAIN JUST TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION.
SO I JUST ALSO WANTED TO ADDRESS WITH THE BOARD THAT DURING OUR MAY 4TH, UH, MEETING WITH THE GREENBERG PLANNING BOARD, THE BOARD GRANTED US A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO NINE OF THE 10 VARIANCES FROM THE GREENBERG, FROM THE GREENBERG PLANNING BOARD.
SO WE RECEIVED ONE NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION AS TO THE HEIGHT, AND THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD UNANIMOUSLY ENDORSED THE PROJECT BEFORE THEM, UM, ON MONDAY.
SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE WANT THE BOARD TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE APPLICANT IS PERMITTED TO BUILD 150 FOOT TALL BUILDING WITHIN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD.
AND A MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING IS IN ELMSFORD, NOT GREENBURG.
SO WE CAN'T DICTATE WHAT THE PROPERTY WILL BE LIKE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT IN ELMSFORD MAY RESULT IN TALLER BUILDINGS OVER, OVER, UM, POWERING THE, THE GREENBERG SIDE.
UM, SO WE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT SPECIFICALLY SINCE THE HEIGHT, UH, HEIGHT VARIANCE RELATED TO STORIES AND FEET, UM, IS NOT SUBSTANTIAL, AND THAT THE ADDITION OF 13.5 FEET FOOT VARIANCE IN BUILDING HEIGHT WILL HAVE NO BEARING ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
PLUS THE HEIGHT IS NECESSARY FOR, UM, A SELF STORAGE FACILITY TO PRODUCE A POSITIVE ECONOMIC RETURN.
IN ADDITION, WE WOULD ALSO LIKE THE BOARD TO BE AWARE THAT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ALSO ZONING NONCOMPLIANT IN GREENBURG.
UM, PAUL, IF YOU COULD SHOW THE MAP.
SO ALL THE PROPERTIES IN PURPLE ARE ZONING NON-COMPLIANT AS RELATED TO SETBACK AND COVERAGE.
SO THESE VARIANCES THAT WE'RE REQUESTING WOULD BE IN LINE WITH THE CURRENT STATE OF THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AS OF RIGHT NOW.
SO, UM, CHAIRPERSON, UH, BUNTING SMITH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO GO THROUGH THE FIVE FACTOR VARIANCE TESTS FOR ALL THESE, UM, OR THAT'S NOT NECESSARY REALLY.
BUT, UM, SO WE THINK THIS IS GONNA BE A VERY POSITIVE, UH, CHANGE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK THAT THE BUILDING ITSELF WILL REDEVELOP THE AREA AND PRODUCE A, A GREAT NEED FOR SELF STORAGE IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG AND ELMSFORD.
SO IF, UM, YOU'D LIKE TO ASK US ANY QUESTIONS OR HAVE ANY COMMENTS, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU.
HOW, HOW DOES THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, AS PROPOSED COMPARE WITH WHAT IS EXISTING IN THE AREA NOW IN SELF STORAGE, IF, YOU KNOW, UH, POLAR DINO, UM, SPEAK TO THAT.
YEAH, I DON'T, WE, I DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT WE, WE COULD CERTAINLY GET YOU THAT INFORMATION.
AND ALSO, I GUESS THE HEIGHT AND THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE BECAUSE, UM, YOU, YOU SIMPLY SAID THAT THE HEIGHT THAT YOU'RE SEEKING IS NECESSARY, YOU KNOW, UM, FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT MM-HMM.
SO JUST LIKE SOME, SOME INFORMATION ON THAT IF, IF WE HAD IT.
DINO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE ECONOMIC VIABILITY OF, UM, HAVING A SELF-STORAGE FACILITY THIS BIG? SURE, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE, UH, SELF-STORAGE BUSINESS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO RELY ON A CERTAIN MASSING FOR, UH, FOR THE BUILDING TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, ECONOMICALLY VIABLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK, TYPICALLY WE'RE LOOKING FOR AROUND, YOU KNOW, 100,000 SQUARE FOOT OF GROSS BUILDING AREA BECAUSE BY THE TIME YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU, THERE'S GENERALLY A FAIRLY LARGE LOSS FACTOR.
YOU HAVE A LOADING DOCK, YOU HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A RETAIL STORE,
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UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, HALLWAYS AND ELEVATORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.YOU'RE GONNA LOSE ABOUT 25 TO 30% OF YOUR FLOOR AREA, UM, YOU KNOW, AS A REDUCTION IN RENTABLE SPACE.
UM, THAT COMPARES, YOU KNOW, VERY COMPARABLY WITH STORAGE FACILITIES IN THE, IN THE MARKETPLACE, IN THIS PARTICULAR MARKETPLACE.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS IT IS GENERALLY A TYPICAL, UH, UH, ARRANGEMENT WITH A SELF-STORAGE FACILITIES, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE, YOU KNOW, A SMALL 20 OR 30,000 SQUARE FOOT STORAGE FACILITIES BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST NOT ECONOMICALLY VIABLE.
SO YOU'RE, YOU, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT MASS IN THAT BULK.
AND IN ORDER TO GET THAT HERE, WE'RE GOING TO NEED, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO NEED THE SIZE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE REQUESTING HERE.
WHAT ARE THE HOURS OF OPERATION, UM, TOM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT? YES, HI.
THE, UH, HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN NINE AND FIVE, AND THAT'S SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
UM, ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS, THE HOURS WOULD BE DIMINISHED A BIT LESS HOURS ON SUNDAY, AND THE SAME ON SATURDAY.
BUT MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, THEY'D BE NINE TO FIVE AND EIGHT TO FIVE AROUND THERE.
AND, UH, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE NORMALLY ON SITE? WE USUALLY HAVE ABOUT THREE TO FOUR PER DAY AROUND THERE.
AND GIVE US SOME IDEA OF HOW THE PARKING THAT YOU PROPOSE WOULD BE SUFFICIENT.
YEAH, I MEAN, TYPICALLY WE SEE, YOU KNOW, STORAGE, SELF-STORAGE IS NOT A, UM, IT'S NOT A VERY, YOU KNOW, INTENSE USE IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC IN AND OUT.
SO TYPICALLY FOR A FACILITY THIS SIZE, WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, 10 TO 12 PARKING SPACES.
UM, IT'S USUALLY MORE THAN ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE RIGHT NOW A FACILITY IN, UH, LYNDHURST, NEW JERSEY, WHICH HAS, UH, 10 SPACES, VERY SIMILAR SIZED FACILITY, AND THERE'S ALWAYS SPACES AVAILABLE.
SO THE, YOU KNOW, THE ONSITE STAFF WILL TAKE ONE OR TWO OF THE, OF THE SPOTS, OR, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE THREE, THREE, UH, CARS THAT ARE ONSITE STAFF.
AND THEN THE REMAINING SPACES ARE AVAILABLE FOR CUSTOMERS.
AGAIN, THE CUSTOMERS ARE COMING, THERE IS A, THERE IS A LOADING DOCK, SO THEY'RE COMING IN THERE.
THEY, THEY CAN PARK WITHIN THE LOADING DOCK WHILE THEY'RE LOADING AND UNLOADING.
AND WE GENERALLY DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH LIKE, OVERFLOW OF PARKING.
UM, 10 TO 12 FOR FACILITY SIZE IS PRETTY STANDARD.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE'RE PROPOSING 14.
I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION REGARDING THE HEIGHT.
YOU WERE SAYING THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE OTHER, UH, PROPERTIES ARE ALSO NON-COMPLIANT IN TERMS OF BULK.
UM, BUT IN TERMS OF COMPARING YOUR FIVE STORY BUILDING TO THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS, HOW MUCH TALLER THAN THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS WOULD YOURS BE? UM, I MEAN, WE COULD CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, LOOK, GET YOU SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THAT, UM, AND, AND COMPARE SOME OF THOSE HEIGHTS.
BECAUSE, UM, A FIVE STORY BUILDING SURROUNDED BY TWO STORY BUILDINGS IS ONE THING, A FIVE STORY, FIVE STORY BUILDING SURROUNDED BY FOUR, THREE AND FOUR STORY BUILDINGS IS SOMETHING ELSE ALTOGETHER.
SO I JUST WANNA HAVE A SENSE OF JUST HOW MUCH WILL THIS BUILDING STAND OUT, UM, IN COMPARISON TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD? RIGHT.
AND WE, WE UNDERSTAND, AND WE'LL GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU, BUT WE JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT IN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD WHERE A MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY IS, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 150 FEET.
SO WHAT I WAS STATING BEFORE IS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN WHERE THERE'S LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, UH, IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT IN ELMSFORD, THAT COULD CHANGE AND PEOPLE OR DEVELOPERS COULD BUILD UP THAT SIDE OF ELMSFORD, AND THAT WOULD END UP TOWERING OVER GREENBURG AS WELL.
SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE BEFORE THE GREENBERG ZONING BOARD, BUT, UM, THIS IS AN UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCE AND WE THINK THAT THE CODE IN ELMSFORD NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AS WELL.
JUST FOLLOWING UP ON LEWIS'S QUESTION, UM, WHEN I WENT ONTO GOOGLE MAPS AND DID THE SATELLITE AND LOOKED AROUND THE BUILD, THE, UM, ACROSS THE STREET, UM, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HAYES WERE BASICALLY LIKE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT HAD BEEN CONVERTED TO, UM, INDUSTRIAL USE.
AND THEN MOST OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS WERE ONE STORY MAXIMUM TWO.
I REALIZE THAT'S NOT GETTING TO THE LIMITS, BUT IT, IT WOULD, SO,
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WHICH REALLY MADE ME CURIOUS.YEAH, I, YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT PEOPLE COULD, YOU WILL BE FOR THIS FORESEEABLE FUTURE, CERTAINLY THE MUCH LARGER THAN ANY OTHER BUILDING IN THE AREA BASED, BASED ON WHAT I COULD FIND ON, ON GOOGLE MAPS AND, UM, MY CU I, CURIOUSLY, I UNDERSTAND THE BIGGER YOU BUILD IT, THE MORE MONEY YOU'LL MAKE.
AND THAT, THAT MAY BE THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION, BUT WHY, WHAT WAS THE THINKING BEHIND DESIGNING A BUILDING THAT WOULD REQUIRE SO MANY VARIANCES AND NOT STAYING WITHIN THE ZONING AS WRITTEN? SO, UM, THANK YOU.
UM, SO THE REASON THAT WE NEED TO SEEK SO MANY VARIANCES, FIRST OF ALL, IS THE FACT THAT THE BUILDING AS IS, IS ALREADY NON-COMPLIANT WITH THE CURRENT ZONING.
AS PAUL STATED BEFORE, WE'RE ACTUALLY LESSENING THE NON-CONFORMITY OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, BUT EXCEPT FOR THE HEIGHT AND THE STORIES.
SO, AND ALSO THE BUILDING IS PARTIALLY IN ELMSFORD, WELL, MOSTLY IN ELMSFORD.
AND WE HAVE TO COMFORTABLY WORK BETWEEN TWO MUNICIPALITIES AND APPLY TWO DIFFERENT ZONING LAWS THAT ARE VERY, VERY DIFFERENT.
AND WITH A MAJORITY OF THE ZONING, UM, CODE, I'M SORRY, MAJORITY OF THE LOT, BEING IN ELMSFORD, WE'RE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE MOST WE CAN OUT OF THIS LOT AND ALSO PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY WITH A SERVICE THAT THEY NEED.
SO, UM, DINO HAD MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THERE'S A SPECIFIC, UM, THIS, UH, VIABILITY, UH, REQUIREMENT FOR SELF-STORAGE FACILITIES THAT THEY NEED TO BE THIS HEIGHT.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE BOTH THE VILLAGE LAW AND THE TOWN'S LAW TO CREATE A MORE ECONOMICALLY VIABLE SELF-STORAGE FACILITY.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO, UM, REQUEST THIS MANY VARIANCES.
AND ALSO, PAUL, DID YOU WANNA SHOW, UM, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE WERE COMPLIANT WITH GREENBERG? THERE WE GO.
AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN THAT FOR, UH, FOR THE BOARD? YEAH.
THIS, THIS FIGURE JUST SHOWS, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING, UH, YOU KNOW, IF IT WERE TO BE BUILT, UM, YOU KNOW, IN A, UH, COMPLIANT WITH THE, THE GREENBERG'S LIGHT INDUSTRIAL SETBACKS.
UM, I, I JUST LOOKING AT THE OTHER PROPERTIES IN THEI DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AGAIN, NOT, UH, THERE'S VERY FEW, IF NOT, IF ANY, PROPERTIES THAT COMPLY WITH THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
AND AGAIN, JUST FOR, FOR THIS TYPE OF USE FOR THIS TYPE OF BUILDING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, UM, TO MAKE THE PROJECT VIABLE.
SO, SO I JUST HAD A QUESTION IF I COULD, UM, MADAM CHAIR, UM, REGARDING YOUR CUSTOMER BASE, DO YOU, DO YOU SEE THAT AS A LOCALIZED CUSTOMER BASE? UM, OR DO YOU SEE IT AS A HYBRID OF LOCALIZED CUSTOMER BASE AND FROM, FROM THE GREATER AREA? UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE IS A FAIR AMOUNT OF SELF-STORAGE THAT'S EITHER IN EXISTENCE ON ONE 19 OR UNDER DEVELOPMENT, UH, IN BOTH THE VILLAGE OF ELFORD, IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIAL ABOUT THIS AREA BEING A CERTAIN NICHE AND THERE'S A, A NEED THAT'S LIKE HYPER LOCALIZED, UH, FOR THIS USE.
SO, YOU KNOW, STORAGE DOES TEND TO BE A VERY LOCALIZED USE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THE, A A A MAJORITY OF OUR CUSTOMERS ARE GONNA BE COMING FROM, YOU KNOW, THE THREE TO FIVE MILE RADIUS.
SO IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE THREE TO FIVE MILE RADIUS FROM THE SITE, THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GONNA BE PULLING MAJORITY OF THE CUSTOMERS.
WE DID, YOU KNOW, UH, WE DID DO A DEMAND STUDY WHERE WE LOOKED AT THE, AT THE MARKETPLACE, AND WE DID, DID, YOU KNOW, DETERMINE THAT THERE IS IN FACT, YOU KNOW, DESPITE THE FACT THAT THERE ARE OTHER STORAGE FACILITIES IN THE AREA, THAT THERE IS STILL SUBSTANTIAL DEMAND FOR STORAGE.
AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, ALSO LOOKING AT THE, AT THE DEVELOPMENT PIPELINE, UM, AND THE, YOU KNOW, UH, ADDITION, THE EXPECTATION OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT OF, OF, YOU KNOW, MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE AREA AS WELL.
THAT IN THE LONG TERM, THE DEMAND FOR SELF-STORAGE IS GOING TO INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY AS WELL.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T BE LOOKING TO BUILD HERE IF WE DIDN'T, UH, YOU KNOW, FIND THAT THERE WAS A DEMAND.
AND AGAIN, WE DID GO OUT AND HIRED A, A, A, A FIRM, THE AUTO GROUP TO PERFORM A, UH, YOU KNOW, A MARKET STUDY AND A MARKET REVIEW.
AND, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE THAT TO YOU IF, IF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHOW YOU THAT THERE IS UNTAPPED DEMAND HERE IN THIS AREA FOR STORAGE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD?
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OH, YES.DID YOU CONSIDER THE FACT THAT, UM, IF YOU REDUCE THE REAR YARD SETBACK TO THE REQUIREMENT IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, KEPT THE SIDE YARDS AS YOU ARE ASKING FOR THE VARIANCES FOR AND, AND GO UP ANOTHER STORY, YOU'D STILL BE WITHIN THE, UH, HEIGHT LIMITATIONS OF THE, UH, VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD, BUT HAVE REDUCED THE, UH, VARIANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBURG BY ONE? UM, WE, WE HAD NOT CONSIDERED THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY INCREASE THE BUILDING HEIGHT, IT WOULD INCREASE THE NUMBER OF STORIES.
UM, SO IT, IT WOULD INCREASE THE NON-COMPLIANCE WITH REGARD TO THE HEIGHT VARIANCES WE'RE REQUESTING, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY CONSIDER THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WANTED TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER? MADAM CHAIR? I JUST DID WANNA NOTE, UH, FOR THE RECORD THAT WE DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM, UH, MR. DAN ESPOSITO, UH, WITH AN ADDRESS OF 56 NHAN AVENUE SLASH NINE HAVEN STREET.
AND WE, IF CAROL HAS NOT ALREADY, WE JUST, WE RECEIVED IT LATE THIS AFTERNOON, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE ZONING BOARD RECEIVES IT, THAT IT'S A PART OF THE RECORD, AND WE WILL SHARE THAT WITH THE APPLICANT.
UM, JUST ONE FINAL QUESTION I HAD FOR THE APPLICANT.
IS THERE ANY CONCERN ABOUT FLOODING, UM, IN THIS, UH, LOCATION? UH, YEAH, I CAN, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
UM, D KNOW, SO YEAH, WE DO, WE DO LIE WITHIN THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAN.
UM, THE, THE CURRENT SITE, YOU KNOW, BUILDING AND SITE PLANS THAT'S DESIGNED, UH, FULLY COMPLIES WITH THE FEMA REQUIREMENTS, UH, THE BUILDING IS GONNA HAVE TO BE ELEVATED TWO FEET ABOVE THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION, UM, TO MEET ALL OF THE TOWN OF GREENBERG AND FEMA REQUIREMENTS.
BUT, UM, YEAH, THAT, THAT HAS BEEN CONSIDERED AND, AND, UH, IS BEING ACCOUNTED FOR IN, IN BOTH OUR DESIGN AND, AND THE STRUCTURAL DESIGN AS WELL.
DO YOU KNOW APPROXIMATELY WHAT DIFFERENCE THAT, UM, REQUIREMENT MAKES IN THE HEIGHT OF WHAT YOU WANNA CONSTRUCT OR HAVE TO CONSTRUCT? UH, SO WE HAVE TO ELEVATE THE BUILDING, UH, TWO FEET ABOVE THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION, THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION AS, AS, UH, CALCULATED BY FEMA, UM, ON THIS END OF THE SITE BY THE PARKING AREA.
IT'S ABOUT A FOOT ABOVE, UM, A FOOT ONE TO TWO FEET ABOVE THE EXISTING GRADE.
SO, UH, IT PROBABLY PUSHES THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, UH, APPROXIMATELY MAKES THE BUILDING PROBABLY FOUR TO FIVE FEET HIGHER, UM, WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO THE ADJACENT GRADE.
AND JUST FOR MY KNOWLEDGE,
UM, THIS IS MICHAEL SIG WITH ARCO MURRAY.
WE'RE THE PROJECT ARCHITECT, UH, FOR A SELF STORAGE FACILITY, UH, THAT'S GREATER THAN THREE STORIES, SO FOUR AND UP, TYPICALLY IT'S AN 11 FOOT FLOOR TO FLOOR DISTANCE.
SO EACH ADDITIONAL STORY ADDS ABOUT 11 FEET, THE, UH, UPPER FLOOR BEING A LITTLE BIT TALLER BECAUSE OF THE ROOF SLOPE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST SO I, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ON THE, UM, THE ELEVATION ISSUE WITH THE, WITH THE FLOODING.
SO YOU'RE ELEVATING THE GRADE, THE, THE EXISTING GRADE TWO FEET, AND THEN YOU'RE PUTTING THE BUILDING ON TOP OF IT, SO THEN IT'LL BE FOUR STORIES UP FROM YOUR TWO FOOT ELEVATED GRADE? UH, WE'RE NOT, NOT ENTIRELY.
WE'RE KEEPING, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING AND THE LOADING AREAS, UM, ARE KEPT LOW AND, UH, THE CHANGE IN GRADE ALONG THE SIDES OF THE BUILDING WILL BE MADE UP, UM, WITH THE BUILDING FOUNDATION PRIMARILY.
SO IN REALITY, WE'RE REALLY ELEVATING THE BUILDING, UH, ITSELF, NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, THE ENTIRE SITE AND THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE FRONT OF THE SITE, NOT NECESSARILY, UM, WE DO STILL HAVE TO MEET THE GRADES AT, YOU KNOW, HAYES AND NEVER HAND AVENUE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A CONSTRAINT AND A CONSIDERATION, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DESIGN THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, WELL, WE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND WE HAD A LOT OF ANSWERS.
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SO MOVING ON TO CASE 2217.BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE LEAVE THAT, UH, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT, WHERE ARE YOU ON THE, UH, SECRET PROCESS? SO, UM, THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD HAS, UH, REQUESTED TO BE LEAD AGENCY IN THE SECRET PROCESS, AND, UM, GREENBERG HAS DELEGATED THAT AUTHORITY TO MAKE THE DECISION BETWEEN, UH, YOUR, YOUR BOARD AND, UH, ELMSFORD.
JUST JUST TO C JUST TO CLARIFY THE PLAN THE GREENBERG PLANNING BOARD HAS, UM, HAS, HAS SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE OPEN TO HAVING THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD TO BE THE LEAD AGENCY.
IF YOU COULD WORK WITH THE VILLAGE AND HAVE THEM, UM, CIRCULATE THAT NOTICE OF INTENT TO, UM, BY DEPARTMENT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
AND I CAN CIRCULATE THAT TO THE Z B A.
ALRIGHT, SO THE, THAT'S WHAT, THAT WAS WHAT MY QUESTION WAS, HAS THAT NOTICE OF INTENT BEEN CIRCULATED YET? APPARENTLY THE ANSWER IS NO.
SO THEN IT WOULD TAKE WITH 30 DAYS.
SO WE CAN'T DECIDE THIS TONIGHT BECAUSE THERE'S NO SECRET DETERMINATION.
AND, UH, OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE WITHIN THE 30 DAY PERIOD.
SO I GUESS WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT THIS OVER TO THE, UH, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE AUGUST MEETING.
WELL, I'LL, I'LL WE'LL WORK THAT OUT, UH, WITH GARRETT LATER.
IF, IF WE COULD, SO, SO WE COULD BE ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MONTH, BECAUSE WE COULD, WE COULD PROBABLY GET THAT DONE FAIRLY QUICKLY.
WELL, THE DESIGNATE THE, THE PROBLEM IS I THINK OUR NEXT MEETING IS WITHIN 30 DAYS OF TONIGHT.
I DIDN'T WANNA BLINDSIDE YOU ON THAT, AND I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY THE FACTS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A, AN INFORMED DECISION AS TO WHEN TO PUT THIS ON FOR.
SO, MS. ELANO, JUST TO CLARIFY, IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, UH, VILLAGE BOARD OF TRUSTEES ACTUALLY VOTED TO DECLARE THEIR INTENT, BUT IT'S, UH, THEY'VE YET TO, UM, FORMALIZE THAT IN A MEMO TO SEND TO THE TOWN? THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE, YES.
UH, AND DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ED? NO.
ALL RIGHT, THEN MOVING ALONG TO CASE 2217, GLEN SHELEY PROPERTY OF TOI TARRYTOWN ROAD.
UH, THANKS FOR, UH, TAKING THE TIME TONIGHT.
UM, I AM, UH, ONE OF THE OWNERS OF WASHCO CAR WASH ON TWO EIGHT TERRYTOWN ROAD.
UM, WE COME TO YOU TONIGHT FOR, UH, A VARIANCE FOR A SIGN.
UM, RIGHT NOW THE CODE REQUIRES, UM, ONE, UM, SIGN, YARD SIGN, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, GET A SECOND YARD SIGN ON HILLSIDE AVENUE.
RIGHT NOW OUR YARD SIGN RESIDES ON, UM, TERRYTOWN ROAD, AND WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF PEOPLE COME TO THE CAR WASH, BYPASSING THE WASH, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE COMING OFF THE 2 87 EXIT RIGHT ONTO HILLSIDE AND, UH, TURN AROUND THROUGH THE GAS STATION.
AND I THINK ALSO A LITTLE BIT OF A SAFETY HAZARD OF PEOPLE DOING U-TURN THROUGH THE GAS STATION.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, IT WILL BE REPLACING ONE OF THE ENTRANCE SIGNS THAT ARE FOUR, FOUR FOOT BY TWO FOOT.
AND THE SIGN ABOVE YOU, UM, WOULD BE 10 FOOT BY TWO FOOT THAT WOULD DISPLAY THE, UH, THE WORDS CAR WASH ON IT.
I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY WERE.
UM, IT, IT, AND WHERE YOU WERE, UM, PUTTING FINE, I DON'T THE ABILITY TO SHARE MY SCREEN TONIGHT.
UM, BUT MR. SHEELEY, DO YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU COULD FLIP TO MY EMAIL AND I'D BE HAPPY TO DISPLAY IT UP IF YOU COULD FORWARD IT? SURE, SURE.
IF YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THAT QUICK, I CAN, UH, FORWARD THAT.
I'LL HAVE TO JUMP ON THE DRIVE.
IT MIGHT BE, I, IF HE ADDED HIS FINGERTIPS, I COULD, UH, JUST, MIGHT EVEN BE QUICKER,
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BUT, OKAY.WELL, I, I DON'T LIVE THAT FAR FROM THERE, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE HAS BEEN A LARGE AMOUNT OF CONFUSION BECAUSE THE CAR WASH HAS CHANGED ITS ENTRANCE AND EXITS FROM THE WAY
ACTUALLY FOR, UH, A BETTER SAFETY, UH, PURPOSE.
SO THAT, UM, RATHER THAN CARS LINING UP ON ONE 19, UM, ALL ENTRANCE AND EXIT IS NOW FROM HILLSIDE AVENUE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.
AND THE OLD ENTRANCES AND EXITS, YOU NOW HAVE, UM, I GUESS WHAT CONCRETE BOLLARDS THAT, UH, PREVENT CARS FROM GOING IN, WHICH WILL BE CHANGED? UH, ONCE OUR, OUR, UM, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE TOWN AND THE D O T, IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS TO, TO REDO ALL THE SIDEWALKS ON THAT WHOLE LOT FROM THE CAR WASH TO THE GAS STATION.
THEN AROUND TO THE CAR WASH, WE'RE REDOING THE BUS STOP AND TO THE, WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON HILLSIDE, WHERE OUR ENTRANCE IS.
UM, IT'S BEEN A, A LONG ONGOING PROCESS, BUT, UH, WE'RE HOPEFULLY, UH, UH, SEEING THE END HERE WITH THE NEW YORK STATE D O T, WE WILL, THOSE WILL BE REMOVED AND IT'LL BE NICE CURBS AND SHRUBS THROUGH THE WHOLE FACILITY.
I KIND OF HATE, HATE THE WAY THE SHRUBS AND THE SIDEWALKS AND THE CURVES ARE NOW, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT'S IN OUR FUTURE TO BE ADDRESSED AND AS SOON AS WE GET THAT PERMIT, WE ARE ON A ASAP.
UH, GARY, DID YOU FIND A SITE PHONE? YES.
SORRY, IT MIGHT BE ONE MORE MINUTE.
UM, SO YOU CAN PLEASE KEEP THE QUESTIONS COMING AND I'LL GO AS QUICK AS I CAN HERE.
UH, WHAT THE CASE NUMBER HERE, IF, IF SOMEBODY, UH, HAS IT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
MY QUESTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SIGN.
IT HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT I HAVE TO PUMP MY GAS NOW.
WE'LL HAVE THE GAS STATION THOUGH WITHOUT SOMEBODY ELSE
UH, AT LEAST THE, THE, UH, THE CAR WASH SEEMS TO BE PRETTY POPULAR.
THE EXPRESS MODEL IS NICE AND, AND I BE HONEST WITH YOU, UM, UH, IT'S JUST NICE TO SEE THAT CORNER, THAT WHOLE INTERSECTION CLEANED UP.
UH, I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE AS PLEASED AS WE ARE, HOW THE PROPERTY CAME OUT.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS FUNNY TONIGHT WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT MY PACKET THAT WE SUBMITTED TO THE Z B A OF THE OLD PICTURES OF THE OLD BUILDING AND STUFF LIKE THAT, AND, AND THE OLD GAS STATION, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE GAS STATION, BUT IT'S JUST NICE TO SEE IT CLEANED UP AND SUCH A FOCAL POINT FOR THE TOWN TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT INTERSECTION.
SO I HOPE, HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY WITH THE, THE WAY IT LOOKS.
I'M, I'M SORRY, WE CAN'T STATE WHETHER WE'RE HAPPY OR UNHAPPY.
HAVE YOU FOUND THE FLIGHT SITE PLAN YET? ARE ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE PHOTOS THAT WE GOT ARE THE NEW PHOTOS OR THE OLD PHOTOS? UH, SOME OF THE, UM, I THINK THE PHOTOS IN THE PACKET.
I, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE, UH, WEIGHT THERE.
SO, YES, ON THE UPPER LEFT HAND OF YOUR SCREEN, YOU'LL SEE THE YELLOW ARROW, AND THAT WOULD BE, UM, WHERE THERE IT IS AN ENTRANCE SIGN NOW, AND WE WANNA REPLACE THAT WITH THE, UM, A TO UH, SIGN THAT JUST SAYS CAR WASH ON IT.
THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM OF YOUR SCREEN, BOTTOM CENTER OF THE SCREEN IS THE EXISTING YARD SIGN THAT, UM, IS THERE TODAY.
AND YOU WANNA TAKE THAT ONE OUT OR YOU WANNA PUT TWO OF THE SAME? NOPE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE ONE AWAY THAT IT'S, IT'S A FOUR FOOT TALL, TWO FOOT WIDE GRAY, AND IT JUST SAYS ENTRANCE ON IT.
UM, WE'RE GONNA REPLACE THAT WITH THE NEW ONE, OR WE WOULD LIKE, WOULD LIKE APPROVALS TO DO THE DO SO.
AND SO BOTH SIGNS WOULD THEN SAY THE SAME THING AND BE OF THE SAME SIZE.
I JUST WANNA CALL A COUPLE POINTS TO THE, TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION.
UM, MR. SHEELEY DID INDICATED THAT, UH, THE, THE SIDEWALK WORK IS IMMINENT AND, AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH HIM TO ASSIST HIM THROUGH THE NEW YORK STATE D O T PROCESS.
UM, BUT I WANTED TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT, UM, THE SITE IN ITS FINISHED STATE WILL, UM, HAVE GONE FROM SEVEN DRIVEWAYS, UH, ACROSS THE FRONTAGE OF BOTH ONE 19 AND HILLSIDE AVENUE TO FOUR.
SO THERE REMAINS, UH, THE ELIMINATION
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OF, I BELIEVE, THREE MORE CURB CUTS, UH, THAT THAT WORK HAS BEEN, UM, HALTED DUE TO THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A PROPERTY LINE SHIFT, UH, THAT THE GENTLEMAN HAD TO UNDERTAKE.AND THAT'S, IT'S A LENGTHY PROCESS, BUT, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IS, UH, IT IS VERY CLOSE.
SO WHAT THE TWO DRIVEWAY ENTRANCES, I'M GONNA PUT MY CURSOR HERE, UM, THAT EXIST CLOSEST TO THE INTERSECTION WILL BE GONE.
SO THAT WILL BRING A LOT MORE ORDER AND LEGIBILITY TO THE SITE.
AND, UH, AS, AS INDICATED, SIDEWALKS WILL LINE THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE, UH, THE APPLICANT WILL BE INSTALLING LANDSCAPING OF THE CALIBER THAT ABUTS THE, THE SCHOOL TO THE NORTH HERE.
UM, AND THERE WILL BE INDEED A BUS STOP.
SO, UH, GOOD PEDESTRIAN LEGIBILITY, BUT UH, SO THE SITE AS IT'S PRESENTLY CONFIGURED IS GOING TO, UH, BE OVERHAULED.
IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY WITHIN A MATTER OF A MONTH TO SIX WEEKS SHOULD BE FINISHED.
UM, SO THE SITE WOULD BE QUITE DIFFERENT THAN YOU EXPERIENCED IT TODAY,
AND YOU SAID THAT NOW THE, THE, THE CAR HAS COME IN AND OUT FROM THE SAME PLACE.
ERIC, DO YOU, CAN YOU DO THAT OR CAN SOMEONE SHOW US WHAT THAT IS? WELL, MAYBE IT'S EASIER JUST 'CAUSE I HAVE MY CURSOR HERE.
UM, BUT THE FLOW, UM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, GLEN, IS CARS, UH, ENTER HERE, RIGHT, AND HERE ONTO HILLSIDE, RIGHT? SO THAT, SUCH THAT ONCE YOU CIRCULATE THROUGH THE CAR WASH, UH, YOU COME AROUND AND, UM, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY COME AROUND IF YOU UTILIZE THE, UH, VACUUMS AND YOU WILL COME BACK OUT AND EXIT.
UM, THERE WILL BE A CURB CUT HERE, UH, WHICH WOULD ALLOW, UH, A LEFT TURN, OR SORRY, A RIGHT TURN BACK ONTO ONE 19.
UH, BUT I BELIEVE NO LEFT TURNS.
UM, BUT THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE, UH, TO THE, ACTUALLY THE SOLE ENTRANCE TO THE, UH, CAR WASH WILL BE FROM THIS POINT HERE AND IS FROM THIS POINT HERE, A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT THIS HAS ANY, NOT THAT THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER WE WILL APPROVE YOUR VARIANCE OR NOT, BUT THAT HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS IMPROVEMENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WHY ARE THE PYLONS SO TALL? UH, 10 FOOT IS THE ONE THAT WE'RE, UM, SEEKING FOR APPROVAL TONIGHT, AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY JUST TO CATCH THE PERSON'S EYE, COME DOWN THE, THE ROAD.
WE HAVE A FOUR FOOT TALL ONE NOW THAT SAYS ENTER ON IT, AND THEY'RE JUST DRIVING RIGHT BY THAT.
OH, I, I, I JUST THINK 10 FOOT IS LITTLE HIGH MYSELF.
BUT IS IT L E D? IT'S, IT'S, UH, ONLY THE LETTERS ARE LIT.
THERE PROBABLY ARE LEDS BEHIND IT, BUT THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, IT JUST BE THE, THE WORDS CAR WASH THAT ARE LIT.
THE GREEN WILL NOT BE LIT AND THEY'LL HAVE LIKE A WHITE FACE ON IT, SOMETHING IN FRONT OF IT.
IT WON'T BE LIKE A GLARING L E D LIGHT.
YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT.
JUST AS YOU'VE SHOWN PICTURES OF WHAT THE OLD SIGNS WERE THAT WERE THERE, DO YOU HAVE, UM, I GUESS A RENDITION OF WHAT THIS 10 FOOT WOULD LOOK LIKE? UH, IN MY PACKAGE WAS A, WAS A PICTURE OF THE SIGN WITH A PERSON.
IT JUST SHOWS THE SIGN, IT DOESN'T SHOW IT IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE OVERALL SITE COMPARED TO WHAT THE OLD SIGNS, THE OLD, THE THE ENTER SIGN THAT'S THE EXISTING THERE NOW YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH, NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ONE THAT YOU WISH TO HAVE.
HOW WOULD IT LOOK IN, IN OTHER WORDS, I'M LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE HERE WHERE YEAH, IF YOU FLIP, IF YOU FLIP BACK ONE PACKET, FLIP BACK ONE PAGE, IT SHOULD BE A GREEN SIGN WITH A CAR
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WASH.IT SHOULD LOOK SIMILAR TO THIS HERE.
I DON'T SEE THE GREEN AND WHITE CAR WASH THOUGH SITUATED ON THE SITE.
OR AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S, YOU'RE SAYING ON THE, ON THE SITE PLAN ITSELF? YEAH, IF YOU TAKE THE, UH, WE JUST HAVE THIS ONE.
THAT'S WHAT IT, AND IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE IT ACTUALLY ON THE LOCATION, LIKE A RENDERING.
I MEAN IT'S, IT IS GOING RIGHT WHERE THAT YELLOW, UH, ARROW IS THAT GARRETT SHOWED ON THE SITE PLANE THERE.
MY IMAGINATION'S NOT THAT GOOD YET.
AND WITH, WITH THE SIGN, I CAN TELL YOU WHERE THE H ON THE SIGN IS NOW FOR CAR WASHES.
THE HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING SIGN THAT'S THERE ON THE PROPERTY NOW, THAT'S SILVER THAT JUST SAYS ENTRANCE.
SO YOU KNOW, IT'D BE DOUBLE THE HEIGHT OF WHAT'S THERE IN ANY OF THE PHOTOS THAT ARE ATTACHED.
WOULD IT THAT MAYBE YOU COULD SHOW IT, YOU KNOW, TELL US WHERE IT WOULD BE IN RELATIONSHIP TO ONE OF THESE PHOTOS.
I DON'T REALLY GIVE ANY PHOTOS ON THE, ON THE OTHER SIDE, ON HILL'S SIDE THOUGH.
NO, THAT'S WHERE I'VE BEEN CONFUSED.
I DO HAVE A, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT, ONE SECOND, I, I HAD TO SEND FOR WHEN I PUT THE SIGN OUT FRONT AND I CAN SEND TO GARRETT QUICKLY IF YOU'D LIKE.
I YEAH, MAYBE IT WOULD HELP IF YOU DROP DOWN ON GOOGLE EARTH STREET SCAPE ON THAT SIDE RIGHT FRONT OF WHERE THE SIGN IS GONNA BE PLACED.
AND THAT, YEAH, I JUST EMAILED YOU A PICTURE OF WHERE THE, I PUT THE SIGN FOR THE ZONING BOARD AND IT SHOWS THE SIGN THAT WE ARE REPLACED.
WOULD LOVE, WOULD LIKE TO BE, WOULD LIKE TO REPLACE, I DUNNO IF YOU WERE ABLE TO ACHIEVE RE ACHIEVE THAT.
YEAH, I HAVE, UH, OUTLOOK OPEN, SO AS SOON AS THAT COMES IN I WILL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NOT REALLY.
YEAH, I THINK MAYBE I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, IT'S NOT THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN THAT IS THE VARIANCE REQUEST, BUT IT'S THE QUANTITY OF SIGNS AND THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO FIVE FOOT CLEARANCE FROM THE, FROM THE GROUND TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SIGN.
BUT THAT THE SIGN GOES DOWN TO THE GROUND.
THOSE ARE THE TWO THERE ANSWERS IN QUESTION.
THE HEIGHT OR THE LOCATION? YES, SIR.
SORRY, GLENN, I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED THERE.
I DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL, BUT THE ATTACHMENTS ARE NOT A, THE TYPE THAT I CAN OPEN.
UM, THAT'S THE ONE I HAVE THE PICTURE THERE.
LEMME JUST TRY ONE MORE THING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL WORK FOR YOU.
IT SAYS HERE THAT YOU'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF SIGNS, RIGHT? WE'RE AS OF, UM, OF YARD SIGNS, WHICH IS A, LIKE A MON, NOT A MONUMENT SIGN, BUT THE MAIN SIGN.
UM, WE HAVE AN ENTRANCE AND EXIT ALREADY, BUT THOSE AREN'T CONSIDERED, UM, THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT YOU WERE PUTTING TWO OF THESE UP, BUT YOU'RE ONLY PUTTING ONE UP.
DID THAT COME THROUGH TO YOU, GARRETT, OR NO? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING.
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JUST NOT OF A FORMAT I CAN OPEN.SORRY, LEMME JUST TRY THIS ONE MORE TIME HERE.
UH, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT SURE I JUST UNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION.
THERE WILL BE TWO OF THESE SIGNS ON THE PROPERTY.
WE HAVE ONE EXISTING SIGN UP FRONT ALREADY.
AND YOU ARE CHANGING THAT SIGN SO THAT YOU HAVE TWO OF THE SAME SIGNS? NO, WE'LL, WE'LL BE, UH, WE'LL BE LEAVING THE ONE THAT'S IN THE FRONT ON, UM, TERRYTOWN ROAD AND ONLY THE ONE ON HILLSIDE IS THE ONLY ONE.
OKAY, SO THEN IT'S JUST THE ADDITION OF THIS ONE NEW SIGN THAT YOU ARE ASKING THE RE THE VARIANCE FOR AS WELL AS THE CLEARANCE FROM UNDER FOR THE SIGN UNDERNEATH THE SIGN? YES, SIR.
UH, FOR SOME REASON IT'S IN MY PHONE.
SO IN THE, IN YOUR PACKETS, UM, AWESOME.
IT DOES SHOW THE, THE LOCATION OF, UH, OF, OF, OF WHERE THIS NEW FREESTANDING SIGN WOULD GO, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY WHERE THE BUS STOP IS IN THE, IN THE SMALL GRASS ISLAND THAT WILL BE UPDATED.
SO I CAN RETRIEVE THAT FROM THE PACKAGE.
I, BECAUSE I THINK ORIGINALLY YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE GONNA REMOVE THE ONE ON TARRYTOWN ROAD.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE GOT CONFUSED.
NO, YEAH, I'M SORRY THAT THIS MEANT WE HAVE ONE ON TARRYTOWN, UM, WHICH IS MUCH BIGGER.
WE JUST WANT THE CAR WASH PART ASSIGNED WITH CAR WASH ON, ON HILLSIDE.
SO I'M, I'M REALLY SORRY, BUT ALL THE QUESTIONS JUST GOT ME CONFUSED.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE THIS STRAIGHT MM-HMM.
SO THE EXISTING ORANGE SIGN THAT'S ON TERRYTOWN ROAD, THAT'S STAYING, IS THAT THE ONE THAT YOU SENT A PICTURE OR DOES THAT LOOK DIFFERENT NOW? NOPE.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T GET TO GO TO THE LOCATION.
I, I THINK IT'D BE EASIEST WHEN GARRETT GETS THE BIT PICTURE UP, IT SHOWS A, AN ENTER SIGN THAT'S, UM, FOUR FOOT TALL AND WE'RE REPLACING THAT WITH A 10 FOOT ONE THAT JUST SAYS CAR WASH INSTEAD OF ENTER.
WE HAVE, WE, AND THE SIGN THAT WE, OUR ORIGINAL SIGN WE PROPOSED AND THAT THEY APPROVED WITH THE, WITH OUR NEW BUILDING IS ON TERRYTOWN ROAD THAT IS STAYING AS IS.
THERE'S ONE ON THE BUILDING AND THERE'S A MAIN YARD SIGN ON THE, ON THE FRONT YARD.
SO THE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE ZONE APPROVAL FOR TWO YARD SIGNS, WHICH IS THE ONE ON HILLSIDE WE WANNA DO.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT SAYS WHITE PLAINS CAR WASH.
WE, WE HA THAT THAT ONE THERE IS, I DON'T KNOW WHY THE LAST PART OF THAT.
THAT'S WHAT, UM, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I JUST ASKED IF THAT WAS STILL STAYING, BUT THERE'S A DIFFERENT SIGN THERE NOW.
A AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET A PICTURE OF IT SOON.
YEAH, SORRY, I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO RETRIEVE THIS TONIGHT.
I JUST, I ONLY HAVE WHAT'S IN THE PACKAGES.
SO, SO, UM, WHAT'S, WHAT'S OUR NEXT STEP THEN? WELL, I WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY COMMENTS FROM ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE.
NO, MY CON MY CONCERN IS THAT IF WE COULD SEE A, UH, A RENDITION OF HOW THIS SIGN IS GOING TO LOOK ON THE SITE BY EITHER USING GOOGLE OR A PICTURE, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU JUST SUPERIMPOSE IT OR OVER SOMETHING.
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A SENSE OF IT.SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY CONCERNS THAT THEY WISH TO RAISE.
NO, I, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.
I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, LIKE THE SITE AND THE SIGN EXISTING SIGNAGE AND THEN THE NEW SIGN.
UM, AND I DID GO TO GOOGLE EARTH, BUT NONE OF THE NEW SIGNAGE IS SHOWING UP.
IT'S THE, THE GOOGLE EARTH STILL SHOWS EVEN THE OLD CAR WASH THAT WAS THERE.
SO, UM, WE WILL HAVE TO ADJOURN IT TO NEXT MONTH.
AND, UM, I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, ADDRESS THE CASE FULLY AT THAT TIME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
AND THE LAST CASE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS CASE 22 18 3 CENTRAL AVENUE.
THAT'S PROPERTY AT THREE CENTRAL AVENUE HARTSDALE, ANOTHER SIGNED CASE.
UH, GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS, UH, MADAM CHAIR.
I'M A PARTNER AT THREE CENTRAL L L C.
UH, WE OWN THE PROPERTY AT THREE SOUTH CENTRAL AVENUE IN HARTSDALE.
UM, OUR BUSINESS THAT WE RUN, UH, R B M METAL IS DOING BUSINESS AS COIN EXCHANGE, UM, ESTABLISHED IN 2012.
WE'VE BEEN A LOCAL SMALL BUSINESS IN HARTSDALE FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS.
UM, LUCKILY THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS HAVE BEEN VERY GOOD FOR US, AND WE WERE ABLE TO PURCHASE, UH, THIS PROPERTY WHEN IT WENT ON SALE BY CHASE BANK.
UM, WE HAVE DONE SOME RENOVATIONS TO THE BUILDING, UM, AND NOW WE ARE HERE FOR A VARIANCE FOR ONE OF OUR SIGNS.
UM, AFTER WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, I'VE MET WITH GARRETT A FEW TIMES AND HE LET ME KNOW ABOUT THE FOUR CORNERS REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH I READ THE ENTIRE PLAN.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO MAKE SURE OF WAS THAT ANY, UH, ALTERATIONS WE MADE TO THE BUILDING WERE IN THE SPIRIT OF TRYING TO REDEVELOP AND MAKE THE FOUR CORNERS A MORE ATTRACTIVE DESTINATION FOR ANYBODY COMING.
SO IF YOU SEE SOME OF OUR PICTURES, THE ORIGINAL PICTURES FROM WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE WHEN WE BOUGHT IT TO THE NEW PICTURES AND THE RENDERINGS, UM, EVERYONE I'VE SPOKEN TO HAS AGREED THAT IT'S A VAST IMPROVEMENT.
UM, OUR ORIGINAL APPLICATION INCLUDED BOTH OF OUR SIGNS.
SO AFTER THE DENIAL, I SPLIT IT UP.
THE SIGN THAT READS COIN EXCHANGE WAS APPROVED AND INSTALLED RECENTLY, UH, AS YOU COULD SEE IN THE, UH, PHOTOS THAT WERE ADDED.
UM, NOT WITH THE PACKET, BUT SEPARATELY.
UM, AND WE ARE NOW ASKING FOR A VARIANCE FOR OUR LOGO, UH, THE CE WITH A CIRCLE, UM, WHICH WOULD BE PUT IN THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING.
UM, THE BUILDING HAS A VERY LARGE FRONTAGE COMPARED TO OTHERS ANYWHERE IN THE AREA THAT I COULD FIND.
UM, THE MAIN MEASUREMENTS FOR THE BUILDING ARE STILL WITHIN, UM, CONFORMITY AS FAR AS TOTAL LENGTH OF THE SIGNS TO THE BUILDING.
UH, TO MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE CODE, ANY SINGLE LETTER OR UM, PART OF A SIGN CAN BE UP TO FOUR FEET.
SO THE ACTUAL LETTERS WITHIN OUR LOGO ARE CONFORMING WITHIN 4 48 INCHES.
THE ONLY VARIANCE WE'RE SEEKING IS ONLY FOR THE CIRCLE THAT GOES AROUND THE LOGO.
UM, AS, UH, I WAS HELPED BY CAROL, SHE SENT ME SOME PREVIOUS DECISIONS WHERE SIMILAR EXCEPTIONS WERE MADE FOR COMPANIES LIKE KMART AND SHERIDAN FOR A SINGLE OR DOUBLE LETTER LOGO, UH, TO BE DISPLAYED A LITTLE MORE PROMINENTLY.
UM, ONE OTHER THING WITH THE PICTURES THAT I SENT YOU, UM, THE PICTURE THAT WILL SHOW HEAD ON, ON OUR NEW BUILDING, YOU CANNOT SEE OUR COIN EXCHANGE SIGN AT ALL BECAUSE IT IS FULLY OBSTRUCTED BY A TREE ON OUR RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR BUILDING.
UM, WHICH IS ANOTHER REASON WHY I'M HOPING TO GET A LITTLE MORE VISIBILITY WITH THE LOGO SIGN.
UM, BOTH SIGNS ARE PLANNED TO BE, UH, SIMPLY BACKLIT WITH A WHITE L E D.
UM, THEY ARE NICE, CLEAN BRUSHED ALUMINUM.
UH, THIS SIGN WILL MATCH IN EVERY ASPECT.
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ALREADY, UH, BEEN INSTALLED RECENTLY, AND I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS ANYONE HAS.WELL, THE DIFFERENCE IN KMART AND, UM, SIGNIFICANTLY WAS THE DISTANCE FROM THE STREET, WHICH ALSO IS USUALLY WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH WHEN SOMEONE ASKS US FOR SOMETHING THAT IS, YOU KNOW, LARGER THAN NORMALLY PERMITTED.
SO THAT CONCERNS ME TO SOME EXTENT BECAUSE THIS BUILDING IS RIGHT ON THE, ON THE ROADWAY AND 96 INCHES SOUNDS LIKE A LOT TO ME, BUT I'LL LISTEN TO WHAT ANYONE ELSE ON THE BOARD WISHES TO, UH, OPINE ON.
EVERYONE'S VERY QUIET TONIGHT.
WELL, I, I HAD SIMILAR THOUGHTS TO YOU, EVE
SO, I'M SORRY AGAIN, IF I MAY, THE, THE ONLY VARIANCE WE'RE ASKING FOR IS JUST FOR A, I BELIEVE IT'S A TWO INCH METAL CIRCLE TO GO AROUND OUR LETTERS.
IT'S, IT'S JUST A CIRCLE, BUT IT'S, IT'S A BIG CIRCLE.
I REALLY ENHANCES THE CE I UNDERSTANDING IS YOU SAID THE, THE CE WITH THE CIRCLE IS YOUR LOGO.
SO IT'S NOT LETTERS AND THEN A CIRCLE.
IT IS ONE WHOLE AS A LOGO THAT YOU'VE MADE TWICE THE SIZE OF, UM, OF EVERYTHING ELSE AND, AND THE ZONING LAW, I'M TRYING AS WELL TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT SHOULD, IT NEEDS TO BE THAT BIG.
YEAH, I MEAN, I WOULD ALSO SAY THE FONT SIZE OF THE CE IS ACTUALLY TWICE AS BIG AS THE FONT SIZE ON COIN EXCHANGE BECAUSE IT'S TOO TWO LAYERS, POINT AND EXCHANGE AND CE IS ONE.
YEAH, I MEAN, JUST WITHIN, JUST WITH THE PHYSICS OF IT BEING A CIRCLE SURROUNDING THE LETTERS AS IT IS, IF I WERE TO GO WITHIN THE FOUR FEET, THE LETTERS WOULD BE MUCH, MUCH SMALLER THAN ANYTHING.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO BE FOUR FEET, I'M JUST SAYING IS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD DO THAT, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE SOMEWHAT SMALLER THAN, THAN THIS.
IT JUST SEEMS TO BE SO LARGE TO BE RIGHT, RIGHT.
ON THE, ON THE STREET LIKE THAT.
YEAH, I MEAN THE O THE OTHER THING I WAS JUST TRYING TO CONSIDER WAS THE, THE, THE WAY WE DESIGNED THE BUILDING, I GUESS IT WOULD BE SELF-CREATED, BUT I WAS TRYING TO FILL THE SPACE TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT FIT BECAUSE IT'S A 12 FOOT SPAN ACROSS.
UM, AND I THOUGHT A MUCH SMALLER CIRCLE WOULD JUST GET LOST WITHIN THE DESIGN ELEMENT OF THE BUILDING.
YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS A MUCH, I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER BUILDINGS ON CENTRAL AVENUE THAT HAVE THE USAGE OF THE FRONTAGE LIKE WE DO.
SO I, I JUST DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A DETRIMENT TO THE KNOW THE, THE LOOK OR, UM, THE USE OF, OF, OF THE COMMUNITY AT ALL.
WELL, IT'S A DETRIMENT TO OUR CODE.
UM, IF YOU USE, IF YOU USE THE FONT SIZE OF THE WORDS COIN, IT PROBABLY, IF YOU KEPT THE SAME FONT SIZE, IT MIGHT FIT PERFECTLY.
UM, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT MEASURING IT HERE.
I'M NOT YOUR ANSWER TO YOUR SIGN, BUT THERE ARE WAYS TO, TO MAKE IT WORK, STAY WITHIN THE, THE ZONING.
I, I WOULD ACTUALLY SAY THAT IF YOU STAYED WITHIN THE FOUR FEET, YOUR FONT SIZE OR YOUR LOGO WOULD ACTUALLY STILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY BIGGER BECAUSE THE CIRCLE DOESN'T TAKE UP AS MUCH
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ROOM AS THE FONT SIZE ON COIN EXCHANGE.I DON'T HAVE IT SPECKED OUT, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT WOULD BE JUST, JUST FOR HOW, THE WAY, I MEAN, JUST THE CLEARANCE THAT THE CIRCLE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO GET AROUND THE LETTERS.
WE BROUGHT THE, THE EDGES OF THE E DOWN TO BE ABLE TO COME FURTHER AROUND.
I'M, I'M OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, A WELL, UM, COMPROMISE OF ANY SORT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU SUGGEST.
I, I'M, I'M NOT YOUR MERRY, I USED TO BE A GRAPHIC DESIGNER, SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT PROBABLY IS THE CASE, YOU KNOW? UM, AND I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IT IS I COULD SEE HOW YOU'D WANT IT TO BE BIGGER TO FILL THE SPACE, BUT, UM, IT JUST SEEMS TWICE THE SIZE JUST SEEMS, UM, VERY LARGE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE THOUGHTS FROM OTHER BOARD MEMBERS.
I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, DIANE.
SO, UM, I, I, I, I THINK THAT WE'VE, AS A BOARD, AT LEAST WE'VE EXPRESSED WHAT OUR, OUR FEELINGS ARE.
APPARENTLY THERE'S NO ONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT I BELIEVE THAT WANTED TO, UH, ADDRESS THIS, THIS SIGNAGE.
SO WE'LL TAKE IT UNDER CONSIDERATION AND SEE WHAT WE CAN, UH, PERHAPS COME UP WITH.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE WILL NOW GO INTO OUR DELIBERATIONS AND AS I IN INDICATED THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, YOU'RE WELCOME TO LISTEN IN, BUT NOT PARTICIPATE OR MAKE ANY COMMENTS AT THAT TIME.
MADAM CHAIR, ARE WE TAKING A BREAK? YES, WE ARE.
I THINK I HEARD A LITTLE, SO WE HAVE CASE 2204, THE FARM MARKET.
WHERE ARE WE ON THIS? ARE WE IN A POSITION THAT WE CAN MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT? EVERYTHING IS, OH, WE COULD TAKE A STRAW VOTE ON IT UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING OF CONCERN THAT SOMEONE BRINGS UP.
WELL, I THINK WE'RE STILL WAITING.
YEAH, SO, UM, WE'RE IN A, YOU'RE IN A POSITION TO DISCUSS THE APPLICATION AND, UH, DIRECT, DIRECT US TO PREPARE DOCUMENTATION, BUT, UH, YOU WOULD NOT VOTE TONIGHT.
WE WOULD PREPARE SOMETHING, UM, FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AT A SUBSEQUENT MEETING.
SO AT BEST, I THINK YOU WOULD CLOSE FOR DECISION.
BUT I THINK WE, THAT'S
UH, DEREK, DO WE HAVE TO HOLD IT OPEN FOR ANY INFORMATION FROM IF WE GET SOMETHING FROM THE D O D? YEAH, SO IF THE BOARD WERE TO CLOSE FOR DECISION ONLY, WE WOULD, UM, ADVISE YOU TO KEEP THE WRITTEN RECORD OPEN FOR I THINK A MINIMUM.
I THINK 21 DAYS WOULD BE, UM, ADEQUATE.
UM, SOMETHING MAY COME, UH, IT MAY NOT, UM, NO GUARANTEES THERE, BUT, UM, IF WE, UH, I THINK 21 DAYS WOULD, WOULD SUFFICE.
AND I CAN GET A LETTER OF, UH, NO OBJECTION.
JUST ANY COMMENTS TO THE APPLICATION.
SO THEY'VE HAD IT FOR OVER, UH, CLOSE TO TWO MONTHS NOW.
AND, UM, SOMETIMES THE D O T DOES NOT COMMENT ON THESE TYPES OF APPLICATIONS, BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO PRESS THEM.
SO YOU SAY IT'S, UH, OKAY, WELL, ASSUMING THAT THERE'S A, A STRAW VOTE TONIGHT, WELL, IT DOESN'T MATTER AT THIS POINT.
YOU CAN EITHER LEAVE THE, LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN AFTER A STRAW VOTE, OR YOU COULD KEEP IT OPEN FOR ALL PURPOSES.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT ACCOMPLISHES TO HAVE A STRAW VOTE TONIGHT, IF,
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IF THERE IS OR MAY BE SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT THAT YOU'RE WAITING FOR FROM D O T.WELL, THE WAY GARRETT MADE IT SOUND, IT'S DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT THAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING.
ALRIGHT, WELL THEN, UH, DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU'VE UM, GOT ENOUGH TO HAVE A STRAW VOTE? PROBABLY DO.
MY, MY QUESTION IS, BEFORE WE DO THAT, UM, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE RULE NOW THAT IF WE GO BACK TO, UM, TOWN HALL AND WE HAVE A MEMBER WHO IS NOT PRESENT ABOUT THEM HAVING THE ABILITY TO VOTE IT? WELL, WOULD, UH, I ANTICIPATE WE ARE GOING TO BE REMOTE NEXT MONTH.
UNLESS I'M JUST, I'M, I'M TALKING IN GE IN GENERAL NOW, JUST TRYING TO GET THIS STRAIGHT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF TROUBLE RECENTLY OVER HAVING, YOU KNOW, SUFFICIENT NUMBERS TO, TO DEVOTE.
SO I THINK, UM, WE'LL BE AT THE WHIM OF, UH, NEW YORK STATE, YOU KNOW, LEGISLATION IN THIS REGARD.
IF NEW YORK STATE ALLOWS FOR A QUORUM TO BE PRESENT AND ALSO ALLOWS FOR A VOTING MEMBER TO BE, UH, BEYOND A QUORUM VIA ZOOM, UH, WE WILL HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO RUN A HYBRID MEETING WITH ZOOM AND AT TOWN HALL.
SO IF NEW YORK STATE ALLOWS IT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE FLEXIBILITY TO BOARD MEMBERS THAT CAN'T MAKE IT ON A CERTAIN DATE, BUT COULD PARTICIPATE BY ZOOM.
YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP US.
BECAUSE, WELL, DEPENDING ON WHETHER THEY REQUIRE, WHAT THEY CALL EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES IS WHAT THEY'VE DONE RECENTLY.
LIKE, UM, DIANE, I SUPPOSE WOULD'VE QUALIFIED EITHER WAY BECAUSE OF COVID.
THAT WOULD BE AN EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCE.
I DON'T PLAN ON GETTING COVID AGAIN.
WELL, I, I JUST FIGURED WE COULD TAKE A STRAW VOTE TO WHERE THE ONES OF US WHO ARE HERE TONIGHT WHERE WE STAND.
AND ALSO AT, UM, I WAS THINKING ABOUT, UM, NESTOS BECAUSE WHEN HE WAS PITCHING HIS, UH, YOU KNOW, HIS, HIS DRIVE-THROUGH DRIVE-THROUGH, RIGHT.
AND HOW HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT HE WOULD HAVE A, SO, YOU KNOW, A, UH, IT WAS A SELECT, THE WAY HE SOLD IT WAS THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE A SELECT A LINE OF PRODUCTS THAT HE WOULD HAVE.
YOU WOULDN'T BE SITTING IN LINE WAITING FOR THEM TO COOK SOMETHING OR MAKE SOMETHING HE SAID SANDWICHES OR PIZZA, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS READY.
IT WOULD BE PRESELECTED, RIGHT.
BUT HE, YEAH, AND IT REALLY DIDN'T WORK OUT THAT WAY.
UM, SO WHAT ARE YOUR, I, SO I, THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME.
UM, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS WITH THIS AS COMPARED TO ERNESTO? BUCKY, YOU
I'M, I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF IT WERE JUST A MARKET THAT YOU'RE BUYING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE DONUT THING TO ME IS MORE OF A, AN ATTRACTION THAN JUST GOING TO THE MARKET.
YOU KNOW, THE AVERAGE KID DOESN'T WANNA JUST GO AND LIKE, LET MOM BUY EGGS AND, AND VEGETABLES OR FLOWERS OR PLANTS.
BUT YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THE DONUT MACHINE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT, WELL, IF YOU HAVE WATER, WESTCHESTER, I'M LISTENING.
YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
IS THAT WESTCHESTER GREENHOUSE ON THE OTHER, ON HARTSDALE ROAD HAS IT MM-HMM.
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THAT COME TO SEE THE DONUTS BEING MADE.IS THAT HOW IT'S BEING DONE HERE? WHICH I HAVE NO IDEA THAT THAT PART, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THEY DO HAVE IT AT THE OTHER LOCATION AND THERE IS NO CROWD OF PEOPLE JUST GOING TO WATCH THE DONUTS.
YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK ULTIMATELY YOU, WE CAN CERTAINLY UTILIZE THE DOCUMENTATION THEY PROVIDED AND WE HAVE A GOOD RANGE OF PRODUCTS.
I THINK WHAT WE WANNA AVOID IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS WERE TO EVOLVE TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE A SATELLITE TRADER JOE'S OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW.
SO I THINK WE CAN PROVIDE LIKE A RANGE OF ITEMS AND, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFY THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL, UM, AND SUCH THAT, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY DOES HAVE THAT SORT OF MOM AND POP SPIRIT.
AND, UM, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IT WOULD SORT OF MIMIC, YOU KNOW, TO A DEGREE THE, THE, YOU KNOW, DECISIONS, UM, UP THE STREET THERE AT THE WESTCHESTER GREENHOUSES.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL CERTAINLY BE WORKING TO HAVE CONTROLS SO THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T BECOME A SUPERMARKET OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, AND REALLY IS IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT THEY'VE PRESENTED.
UH, I, I ACTUALLY VISITED THEIR OTHER SHOP, UM, UH, IN CORTLAND.
'CAUSE I WANTED TO GET A REALLY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF, UM, YOU KNOW, IS IS IT A FARMER'S MARKET? IS IT, IS IT A NURSERY? AND, AND, AND IS, IT IS AMAZINGLY ENOUGH.
IT, IT, IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY CLOSE TO, IT SEEMS WHAT THEY WANNA PROPOSE HERE.
THEY, THEY DO HAVE VERY CARLSON'S LIKE NURSERY THERE, THEIR CORTLAND OPERATION.
UM, THEY HAD A FARM STAND BUILDING.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT SQUARE FOOTAGE OF IT THERE.
I WOULD SAY IT'S DEFINITELY IN THE 4,000, 5,000 SQUARE FOOT RANGE.
IT'S ON A, A BUSY STATE ROAD THERE IN CORTLAND.
UM, SO I THINK WE'LL WORK CLOSELY TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE A DRAFT DECISION IF THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD'S LOOKING FOR.
UM, THAT ENSURES THAT THIS WILL, YOU KNOW, BE A FARM MARKET AND NOT SOME, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIALIZED, UH, LIKE, YOU KNOW, GLORIFIED SUPERMARKET.
UH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT IT WAS JUST TO GREENHOUSES AND FARMS. THE BOARD CONDITIONED IT WITH A LIST OF ITEMS THAT THEY COULD SELL.
SO YOU COULD DO THE SAME THING HERE, BUT WE HAVEN'T TOLD THEM THAT YET.
SO WE'D HAVE TO DO THAT, I GUESS.
SO THEY PROVIDED US A RANGE OF, OF ITEMS THAT THEY, THEY, THEY FELT WOULD BE PROVIDED.
SAY WHAT, ED? UH, NO, I WAS JUST SAYING THE SAME THING.
THEY PROVIDED A LIST, IT'S ATTACHED TO THEIR APRIL, UH, SUBMISSION.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE LIST.
IT WOULD NOT EXPAND BEYOND THAT.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? WELL,
BUT, UM, IN, IN SPIRIT, I THINK WE CAN CAPTURE, YOU KNOW, A FARM MARKET, UH, USE BY, BY BASING IT ON THEIR LIST FROM APRIL.
THAT WAS THE ONLY CONCERN THAT I HAD.
THE, THE EXISTING, THE PRELIMINARY PRODUCT LIST IS GENERAL ENOUGH AND BROUGHT, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT ENOUGH, BUT YET BROUGHT DOWN, I MEAN, I, I CAN QUICKLY READ IT TO YOU IF YOU WANT IT.
EVE, NO, IF YOU GUYS ARE ALL OKAY WITH IT, I'M OKAY.
I WAS STUCK ON THE DONUTS IF THEY ARE MENTIONED BETWEEN COOKIES AND POTATO CHIPS.
ARE WE READY TO TAKE A STRAW VOTE? YEAH, EITHER WAY WE CAN DO IT.
NO, I THINK WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL NEXT MONTH.
IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT WE STRAW VOTE THIS MONTH.
HAS ANYBODY HERE WHO NOW, WHO MAY NOT BE HERE NEXT MONTH? OKAY.
UM, SO YOU WANNA CLARIFY? YES, EVERYONE AGREES WITH LOU? OR, I MEAN, I HEARD EVA SAY ONE THING AND LOU SAY SOMETHING ELSE I DIDN'T NOTICE ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE SAYING ANYTHING.
WELL, WE'RE NOT, ARE WE CLOSING IT? NO, WE'RE NOT CLOSING IT.
IS THAT WHAT WE WISH TO DO? I MEAN, IT'S HARD FOR US TO CLOSE IT WITHOUT A STRAW VOTE BECAUSE WE DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA HAVE DUAL WORK OUT THERE AS TO WHAT WE ARE SAYING.
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SO I WAS TRYING TO GET A STRAW VOTE SO WE COULD, WELL, I DON'T YOU THINK COULD WE, WE CAN'T CLOSE IT.DO THE STRAW VOTE AND CLOSE IT
BECAUSE THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN NEXT TIME.
BUT IT MAY ONLY BE, IT MAY ONLY BE THE FOUR OF US
I THINK THE PROBLEM IS, AND, AND I I DEFINITELY SEE LOU OPINION LOU'S A POINT OF VIEW HERE IS LIKE, IT'S LIKE SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB, RIGHT? IF WHOEVER VOTED YES LAST, LAST TIME I WASN'T HERE, YOU GUYS, IT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD GET SOMETHING ON A STRAW VOTE THROUGH, YOU KNOW? UM, SO IF IF DIFFERENT PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE HERE, IT COULD BE A DIFFERENT VOTE.
SO I, I KIND OF, I SEE HIS POINT OF VIEW.
I DON'T THINK IT HURTS TO DO A STRAW VOTE, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO COUNT ON IT.
SO, BUT
WE CAN VOTE ON IT THE NEXT TIME WE'RE HERE, BUT WE PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE A DECISION.
SO IT WOULD STILL BE CLOSED FOR DECISION ONLY IF THAT'S THE CASE.
LET ME SUGGEST, HAVE YOU TAKEN A, A POLL AS TO WHO'S GONNA BE HERE NEXT MONTH? WHO, AS OF NOW, WHO ANTICIPATES THAT THEY'LL BE ATTENDING NEXT MONTH? WELL, EVERYONE WHO'S HERE TONIGHT APPEARS TO BE AVAILABLE NEXT MONTH.
SO IF YOU HAVE FOUR PEOPLE TONIGHT TO CLOSE, THEN THE, THE PROBABILITY IS, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT BINDING, UH, IS THAT YOU'LL HAVE THE SAME VOTES NEXT MONTH, RIGHT? I AGREE WITH YOU.
SO YOU SHOULDN'T ASSUME THAT YOU WON'T BE.
SO WHAT I HEARD WAS EVE WAS FOR, FOR TAKING A STRAW VOTE AND POSSIBLY CLOSING LOU WAS AGAINST.
AND I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SEE WHAT THE THREE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE OTHER THREE OF YOU, UH, DE DETERMINED OR HOW THEY, HOW THEY FELT.
SO IF WE TAKE A STRAW VOTE AND CLOSE IT, I, I'M, I HAVEN'T BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT NEXT TIME WE JUST DO A VOTE? OR IT IS WHAT HAP I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE.
NEXT TIME WE HAVE TO DO A VOTE.
I PROB WHAT USUALLY HAPPENS IS YOU HAVE A STRAW VOTE.
IF YOU HAVE A CONSENSUS OF, OF, OF A QUORUM.
IF YOU, YOU HAVE ENOUGH VOTES TO DECIDE IT, THEN I WILL DRAFT A DECISION, WHICH WILL GO OUT TO, TO ALL OF YOU.
AND THAT COULD CHANGE SOME OF THE VOTES OR, OR NOT CHANGE SOME VOTES.
TYPICALLY, I GET MY MARCHING ORDERS FROM YOU.
IF FOUR OF YOU DECIDE THAT YOU WANT TO GRANT IT, I WILL DRAFT THE DECISION, GRANTING IT, AND THEN AT THE NEXT MEETING, YOU'LL HAVE THE FORMAL VOTE TO ADOPT THE FINDINGS.
AND THAT WILL BE THE OFFICIAL VOTE.
SO, BACK TO THE QUESTION
WELL THAT WAS MY SUGGESTION, BUT I WOULD LET'S DO THAT.
WHO SAID NO? SO WELL, LOU SAID NO.
AND THEN WE ALL JUST KIND OF
I THINK WE SHOULD VOTE AND CLOSE IT.
'CAUSE USUALLY WE DON'T HAVE TO.
SO IF LIKE NEXT MONTH ROLLS AROUND, I, WE, WE SHOULD HAVE THE VOTES THEN TO APPROVE.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO A STRONG VOTE.
WE'LL START WITH YOU CHRISTIE.
SHANA IN FAVOR, DIANE IN FAVOR.
CAN WE, IF YOU VOTE TO CLOSE IT, CAN WE STILL HAVE, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECEIVE THE INFORMATION IF THE D O T SUBMITS SOMETHING? YEAH, IF YOU CLOSE, WE WOULD RECOMMEND YOU KEEP THE RE
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THE WRITTEN RECORD OPEN FOR A PERIOD OF 21 DAYS.WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN THAT SITUATION IS YOU ARE, FOR YOU, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY, ANY FURTHER ORAL TESTIMONY.
YOU'LL JUST KEEP THE RECORD OPEN SO THAT THE NEXT TIME YOU COME IN, YOU'LL HAVE A DRAFT DECISION AND YOU'LL HAVE THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, WHICH VERY WELL MAY CAUSE YOU TO ALTER YOUR VOTES.
SO ED, DOES THIS BOIL DOWN TO THE FACT THAT, UH, WITH THE STRAW VOTE, THAT GIVES YOU THE GO AHEAD TO WRITE THE DRAFTED DECISION? EXACTLY.
OR TO WRITE OR TO WRITE A VERSION.
AND WITHOUT THE STRAW VOTE, YOU CAN'T WRITE THE DRAFT DECISION.
HE WOULD'VE TO WRITE TWO DIFFERENT DECISIONS, AND THEN IT WOULD GO TO THE FOLLOWING UP, TELL ME WHICH YOU KNOW, WHAT TO WRITE, WHICH, UH, DECISION WHICH WHETHER TO GRANT OR TO DENY A DECISION, WHETHER TO GRANT OR DENY.
GO AHEAD AND WRITE THE DRAFT DECISION AHEAD.
SO WE WILL CLOSE IT FOR DECISION AND KEEP IT OPEN.
KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL, DO WE GIVE A DATE OR JUST SAY THE 21 DAYS? NO, WE HAVE TO GIVE A DATE.
I'LL, I IT'S 21 DAYS FROM TOMORROW OR TODAY? FROM TODAY? TOMORROW.
AND WE'RE PUTTING SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB ON FOR JULY 14TH.
DO YOU WANNA MAKE IT FOR AUGUST? UH, I, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THAT.
NO, UH, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON.
I THINK THE NOTICE CAN BE DONE SUFFICIENTLY IN ADVANCE OF, UH, THE NEXT MEETING.
UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND NOT DELAYING TO A SECOND MONTH LATER.
UH, NEXT IS, UH, 2215 MARIAN WOODS.
I, I THINK THIS IS, UM, A BAD PRECEDENT TO SET.
I THINK IF THIS HAPPENS, THIS SITE, THESE 11 ACRES WILL TURN INTO AN ENCLAVE OF MC MCMANSIONS IN THE MIDDLE OF A, OF A PARK.
UM, HE KIND OF SAID THAT WAS SAYING THAT THERE'S NO ZONING CHANGE NEEDED, IT'LL JUST REVERT TO THE R 20.
AND I, I JUST THINK THAT THIS IS, UM, IT, IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT.
I MEAN, EVEN IF, WELL GO AHEAD, ED.
I WAS GONNA SAY, WE ARE NOT READY TO VOTE ON THIS ANYWAY.
I'M JUST TALKING TO DISCUSSION HERE.
YOU WANT, ACTUALLY, IF YOU WANT TO DENY, I GUESS YOU CAN, BUT WHAT IS IT, UH, WHAT'S HOLDING THIS UP AGAIN, UH, GARRETT? UM, TYPICALLY ON SUBDIVISIONS, UM, THE PROTOCOL IS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, MAKES RECOMMENDATION, UH, ON THE AREA OF VARIANCES, RIGHT.
THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO GET AN, UH, UH, THAT'S RIGHT.
A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE, UH, PLANNING BOARD.
WHAT I WAS GOING TO POINT OUT IS, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE CARS, WHICH I PICKED UP RIGHT AWAY, I SAID, THERE'S NO GARAGE UNLESS YOU TAKE PART OF THE HOUSE AWAY.
THERE'S NO MEANS BY WHICH YOU COULD PROBABLY HAVE A GARAGE.
UM, AND EVEN IF YOU HAD A GARAGE FOR TWO CARS, GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE, THERE WOULD ALWAYS BE A NEED FOR PARKING, EVEN FOR THE INDIVIDUALS WHO EITHER WORK THERE OR LIVE THERE.
AND NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING AN EASEMENT
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ON ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY IN ORDER FOR THERE TO BE SOME ACCOMMODATION, WHICH KIND OF COMPLICATES THINGS FOR THE OTHER PROPERTY.AND WHAT HAPPENS WITH IT, IT HAPPENS WITH IT.
SO I FIND IT, UM, A LITTLE CHALLENGING.
ANTHONY, HOW WOULD THAT BE TREATED LIKE A SATELLITE PARKING SITUATION? WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S MANDATED, YOU KNOW, I'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A SATELLITE, BECAUSE THE ADDITIONAL PARKING IS NOT MANDATED.
AND THE ONLY THING REQUIRED BY CODE IS THE TWO ON SITE.
SO IF A NEIGHBOR AGREED TO, YOU KNOW, LET ANOTHER NEIGHBOR PARK IN HIS DRIVEWAY WHILE HE WAS HAVING A PARTY, IT WOULDN'T BE A SATELLITE PARKING VARIANCE.
BUT IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE AND HAVE TO PARK EVEN TO MANAGE THE PROPERTY OR WHATEVER IT IS THEY DO, BECAUSE IT IS A LARGE, YOU KNOW, A LARGE STRUCTURE, WELL, IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE AMOUNT OF PARKING, YOU CAN ASK FOR THEM TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND ADD ADDITIONAL PARKING.
THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD ASK FOR.
UM, ONE THING I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ABOUT IS, AS FAR AS TALKING ABOUT MCMANSIONS AND SUBDIVISIONS, IF LET, LET'S SAY 20 YEARS FROM NOW, 50 YEARS FROM NOW, IF THE APPLICANT CAME IN WITH A SUBDIVISION THAT WAS CONFORMING TO THE R 20 ZONE, AND GARRETT CAN SPEAK ON THIS ALSO, THERE, THERE IS NO WAY OF STOPPING THAT.
IT WOULD BE A, AS OF RIGHT SUBDIVISION IF IT MET THE REQUIREMENTS, BECAUSE IT IS A RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
DOES THIS SAY, IS THIS A, UM, PROTECTED, UH, BUILDING? IS IT ON THE HISTORIC REGISTER OR ANYTHING GUARANTEE BECAUSE IT IS A HISTORIC BUILDING? YEAH, I WILL, UM, I BELIEVE THIS IS, UH, ON THE LOCAL REGISTER, REGISTER.
I'M GONNA DOUBLE CHECK MY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT ANY ALTERATIONS TO THE MANSION WOULD REQUIRE A CERTIFICATE OF, UH, APPROPRIATENESS FROM THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARK PRESERVATION BOARD.
UH, SO THERE'S A LEVEL OF PROTECTION THAT, UH, WOULD BE INVOLVED SO THAT THERE'D BE OVERSIGHT, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY, UH, MODIFICATIONS TO THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF IT.
UM, I THINK MAYBE ONE QUESTION THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR THE BOARD IS TO, UM, TO POSE TO THE APPLICANT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE RAMIFICATIONS IF, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS PROPERTY'S NOT SUBDIVIDED, SO PERHAPS, UH, MAYBE THE EXISTING OWNER DOESN'T HAVE THE, THE FISCAL WHEREWITHAL TO, TO ACTUALLY UPKEEP THE BUILDING.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THE EXTENT OF THOSE RAMIFICATIONS IF THEY DON'T GET THE REVENUE FROM THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, DOES THAT CAUSE THEM TO BE MORE PRONE TO SALE AND, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD BE INVITING A SUBDIVISION ACTUALLY ONTO THE SITE AS OPPOSED TO ACTUALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO PRESERVE THE KIND OF MIX THAT HAS SEEMED TO WORK THERE SO WELL OVER THE YEARS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M, THAT'S SORT OF A DOOMSDAY SCENARIO.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WILL HAPPEN, BUT I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD QUESTION TO POSE, UH, TO, TO THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT TO REALLY GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS WILL BENEFIT THEM AND, YOU KNOW, KEEP THEIR LONGEVITY INTACT.
I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT TOO, BUT I WAS ALSO, TO ANTHONY'S POINT THAT IT'S NOT AS OF RIGHT IN A SENSE BECAUSE THERE'S NO FRONTAGE.
I MEAN, WE ARE NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN OPENING UP THE DOORWAY TO, WE'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT FOR ALLOWING A SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH NO, NO FRONTAGE CORRECT FOR THIS PARCEL.
BUT YOU TALKED ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT FOR THE REST OF THE PARCEL, AND THE REST OF THE PARCEL DOES HAVE FRONTAGE.
SO THERE, THERE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, IS, I DON'T THINK SO.
IT'S ONLY THE, THE POLE OF THE FLAG THAT HAS THE FRONTAGE, THE REST OF IT, IT GETS FURTHER AND FURTHER INTO THE PROPERTY.
BUT THE, BUT THERE IS FRONTAGE FROM THE MARION WOODS ONTO RIDGE ROAD.
SO LET'S JUST SAY YOU, YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT SAYING I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHETHER THE DESIGN WOULD BE COMPLETELY AS OF RIGHT AND NOT NEED VARIANCES, BUT I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU CAN HAVE ONE FAMILY RESIDENCES DEVELOPED WITHIN THAT R 20 ZONE ON THAT PARCEL.
THEY COULD, THEY COULD MAKE APPLICATION FOR THAT.
YOU KNOW, THEY COULD CERTAINLY CONSTRUCT A ROAD, LET'S SAY, TO TOWN STANDARD THAT WENT TO THE BACK
NO, THEY HAVE TO CONSTRUCT A ROAD WITHIN A PARK WITHIN THE THING.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING, I DON'T, I, I, AND
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I UNDERSTAND WHAT GARRETT'S POINT IS, ARE THEY SELLING THIS BECAUSE THEY NEED THE MONEY TO KEEP OPERATING THE HOME TO SUPPLY, TO PAY FOR THAT.I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHY THEY'RE DOING IT.
IT, BUT IT'S JUST, IT WAS SCARY.
I, I THINK I, SO I AM, UM, I'M KIND OF, UM, IN THE MIDDLE ON THIS RIGHT NOW.
I HAVEN'T LIKE, LIKE I, I COULD SEE THIS BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A SPECIAL PROPERTY.
MY CONCERN IS IF WE PUT UP, YOU KNOW, LIKE, OKAY, SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE PROP PARKING, YOU HAVE TO BUILD A GARAGE.
LIKE IF IT'S NOT A PROTECTED BUILDING, THEY'RE GONNA TEAR, THEY'LL TEAR, SELL THE PROPERTY AND TEAR IT DOWN.
YOU KNOW, AND WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME, AND WE DON'T PRESERVE OUR HISTORY.
UM, AND IT WAS A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING, AND NOW IT'S GOING TO BE REVERT BACK TO A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING.
SO I DO THINK THAT THIS IS A SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE THAT WE DO NEED TO CONSIDER.
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE PARKING.
I MEAN, IT'S A, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE A 10 BEDROOM OR AN EIGHT BEDROOM HOME OR WHATEVER IT IS, AND IT'S GONNA HAVE TWO PARKING SPACES.
SO THAT JUST DOESN'T SEEM LOGICAL TO ME.
UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE, THE TOWN TOOK OVER AND, AND CREATED PART OF IT AS A PARK WITH HARTSBURG AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, SO IN A SENSE IT'S LIKE, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DID THEY DO WITH THIS PROPERTY? YOU KNOW? AND EVENTUALLY MARION WOODS WILL GO AWAY.
I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, JOINING THE CONVENT ANYMORE.
SO THERE'S NOT SOMETHING IS GONNA HAPPEN TO THAT PROPERTY.
AND THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO IS TRY TO PRESERVE THE HISTORIC NATURE OF IT, WHERE IT'S JUST GONNA ALL GET TURNED DOWN AND SUBDIVIDED AT SOME POINT.
I DON'T BELIEVE, ACTUALLY UPON FURTHER REVIEW, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A LOCAL OR A FEDERAL LANDMARK.
BUT, UM, I, I WILL VERIFY THAT FOR THE BOARD AND, UM, PERHAPS, UH, THE APPLICANT, THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION, UM, THAT WE COULD POSE TO THE APPLICANT.
UH, WOULD THEY BE OPEN TO, UH, A LOCAL LANDMARK DESIGNATION AND POTENTIALLY HIGHER UP? YEAH.
I MEAN, ISN'T THAT THE HOUSE
THAT BUILDING'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA, IT'S A WHITE ELEPHANT.
THAT BUILDING ALMOST, YOU COULD GIVE IT TO A NOT-FOR-PROFIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, TO MOVE IN.
THAT'S NOT PERMITTED AN ARTS ORGANIZATION.
BUT IF THEY WANNA SELL IT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA LANDMARK IT.
AND IN FACT, I WOULD THINK WHOEVER THEY SELL IT WOULD VERY MUCH CONSIDER KNOCKING IT DOWN
IF YOU'RE GONNA, YOU COULD PUT A COUPLE HOUSES IN ANTHONY
IS THERE, IS THERE ROOM ON THAT PROPERTY TO PUT IN, UM, ASSUMING THAT, UH, YOU TAKE THE AREA THAT WOULD OTHERWISE GO TO A POOL, UH, FOR THEM TO PUT IN A, UH, DETACHED, UH, GARAGE STRUCTURE? I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT, WELL, NO.
HE TESTIFIED THAT THERE WAS NO ROOM.
NO, I MEAN, THERE MAY BE THE POSSIBILITY FOR A DETACHED GARAGE THAT, THAT'S QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT.
UM, BACK TO THE FRONTAGE, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 170 FEET OF ROAD FRONTAGE ON THIS PARCEL.
THIS PARCEL SPECIFICALLY THAT'S BEING CUT OUT THAT'S ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE.
BUT FOR THE OVERALL PARCEL IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, THE WHOLE MARION WOODS PARCEL THAT THIS PIECE IS SITTING ON.
UM, THERE COULD BE A POSSIBILITY FOR A DETACHED GARAGE.
ED I SEE FROM ONE CORNER OF THE BUILDING IS 105 FEET, YOU KNOW, BACK TO THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE.
SO I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD LIST OF QUESTIONS, UM, TO WORK UP ON YOUR BEHALF AND SEND TO THE APPLICANT.
SO WE WE'RE PUTTING THIS ON FOR NEXT MONTH OR NOT? I, YEAH, PROBABLY NEXT MONTH BECAUSE THE, UM, THE OTHER, THE NEXT ONE HAS TO GO OVER TO AUGUST.
UM, WHAT, IF ANY QUESTIONS DO WE
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WANT TO RAISE TO THE APPLICANT ON THE NEXT ONE? SELF STORAGE.I THINK I'D WANT THEM TO JUST TALK ABOUT THE HEIGHT, WHY THEY NEED, IT NEEDS TO BE FIVE STORIES, 58 FEET, BUT I DON'T KNOW A LOT.
I'VE SEEN OTHER STORAGE FACILITIES.
SOME OF THEM ARE THREE STORIES, FOUR STORIES MAYBE.
I UNDERSTAND THEY CAN GO UP TO 150 FEET IN ELMSFORD.
BUT LOU, YOU WERE ASKING A QUESTION ABOUT THE BACK.
IF THEY HAD MOVED IT AND IT SOUNDED LIKE, UH, AN INTERESTING IDEA.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN MORE ABOUT THAT? ME? NO, WHERE'D HE GO? OH, IF THEY RAISED IT, IF YOU GAVE THEM EXTRA HEIGHT AND THEN THEY CUT THE BUILDING IN, BASICALLY YEAH.
BUT THEY COULD DO IT BY DOING IT AND LIMITING THE SPAC IN GREENBURG.
'CAUSE THAT, THAT'S THE WAY IT SOUNDED, SOUNDED TO ME.
HE WAS SAYING YOU COULD, AT LEAST THE VARIANCE, THE VARIANCES IN THE TOWN OF GREENBERG AND YEAH, BUT ADD, AND ADD.
WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, STORAGE FACILITIES THAT, UM, ARE NOT AS HIGH, UH, THEY USUALLY ARE THE WHOLE LOT LARGER BULK.
SO THEY'RE WIDER, BIGGER, YEAH.
SO THEY CAN GET MORE PER FLOOR, MORE STORAGE PER FLOOR.
SO THE ONLY THING THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT IN MY QUESTION TO THEM WAS, UM, WHEN THEY SHOWED THE, THE PLAN OF WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO ON THE GREENBERG SIDE TO MEET THE TOWN OF GREENBERG ZONING REQUIREMENTS, UM, THEY WERE BEING VERY SPECIFIC IN TERMS OF MATCHING THE ANGLES BECAUSE THE, UH, BORDER CUTS THROUGH THE PROPERTY DIAGONALLY.
UM, BUT IF THEY WANTED TO JUST TAKE CARE OF THE REAR YARD SETBACK AND BRING THAT BACK AND THEN KEEP, YOU KNOW, GOING TO THE SIDE YARDS AS THEY ARE CURRENTLY NOW, UH, THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT THEY LOSE BY ELIMINATING THE REAR YARD SETBACK, THEY COULD PROBABLY GAIN BY ADDING A SIXTH STORY.
AND ONCE YOU'RE PUTTING AN ELEVATOR INTO A BUILDING, THE COST OF GOING UP ONE MORE FLOOR IS NOT THAT MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE.
SO I, I, I THINK MAYBE THEY'RE GOING TO BE TAKING A LOOK AT THAT, ALTHOUGH I WASN'T SUGGESTING THAT AS A SERIOUS SOLUTION, BUT I THINK THAT, UM, I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST TO RENT A SPACE THERE.
AND I CAN MOVE DOWN FROM WEST EAST'S STORAGE
IT SEEMED TO ME THAT IT WAS VERY INTERESTING THAT, I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, IT SOUNDED ENORMOUS AND, AND THEY ARE ONLY, THEY SAY WE'LL HAVE 1200 TO 1300, I MEAN, TO HAVE A HUNDRED UNITS AS LIKE, WE'RE NOT SURE ABOUT HOW MANY HUNDREDS WE'RE GONNA HAVE.
UM, THING, AND THEN IT WAS INTERESTING WHEN WE WERE ASKING, YOU WERE ASKING THEM TO COMPARE TO OTHER SIZE STORAGE UNITS, THEY IMMEDIATELY WENT INTO COMPARISON TALKING ABOUT OTHER PLACES THAT HAVE COMMERCIAL AT THE GROUND LEVEL AND ELEVATORS, WHICH IS NOT COMPARABLE TO THIS.
UM, AND HE WAS SAYING, WELL, WE WOULD NEVER OPEN A PLACE THAT ONLY HAD 20 OR 30,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO I, I WASN'T FINDING THE RATIONALE FOR BUILDING IT SO BIG, UM, TO BE COMPELLING.
AND THEN WHEN THEY SHOWED THE PICTURE OF, WELL, THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF IT WERE STAYED WITHIN THE ZONING OF GREENBERG, IT DIDN'T LOOK THAT SMALLER.
AND THE MAJOR ARGUMENT THAT SEEMED TO BE SAID, WHY THEY WERE BUILDING AT THAT BUILDING WAS, WELL, IT'S BETTER THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW.
THAT'S, TO ME NOT A COMPELLING ARGUMENT.
YOU KNOW, THAT BECAUSE WHAT'S THERE NOW IS TERRIBLE.
DOESN'T MEAN YOU GET, YOU SHOULD BE BUILDING SOMETHING THAT'S STILL NOT VERY GOOD AND IT'S JUST OVERSIZED AND OVER BULKED FOR THE LAWS AND THE COMMUNITY MIGHT MY VIEW ANTHONY, DO.
HOW TALL, HOW MANY STORIES IS THE NEW STRUCTURE ANNOUNCED WITH NEXT TO BURGER KING? UM, I'M NOT SURE.
IS THAT SEVEN? DO YOU KNOW? I'M NOT, I'M NOT POSITIVE WHAT THAT IS.
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OR IS IT FIVE? I'M NOT SURE.YEAH, SO IT'S IN THE VILLAGE, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY STATISTICS YEAH.
OTHER THAN TO SAY IT'S, UM, IT'S LARGE
THERE WAS NOTHING OVER TWO STORIES.
BUT THEY'RE ALL COMMERCIAL USE OVER THERE.
THEY WERE ALL THE SAME KIND OF LARGE PARKING LOTS INDUSTRIAL KIND OF SPACES.
I ALSO FOUND 14 PARKING SPACES FOR 1300 STORAGE UNITS.
AND THEY'RE SAYING THEY'LL NEVER GET MORE THAN THREE PEOPLE A DAY.
THEY SAID THREE EMPLOYEES AND 10, 12, 10 TO 12 PEOPLE THERE AT ANY GIVEN TIME IS WHAT THEY SAID.
WHAT'S THE AVERAGE TIME IT TAKES A CLIENT TO EITHER LOAD AND UNLOAD OR THE TIME THEY SPEND WHEN THEY GO JUST TO GET SOMETHING OUT OF THE STORAGE UNIT? DEPENDS ON IF IT'S CHRISTMAS OR BEFORE CHRISTMAS OR AFTER CHRISTMAS.
SO WHERE ARE WE ON THIS? WELL, WE HAVE TO TILL AUGUST.
DO YOU WANNA CONSIDER LOU'S SUGGESTION OR DO YOU WANNA, WHAT IS THE BOARD? UM, SO DOES THE BOARD FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF, UM, THEY PREPARED A RENDERING THAT GAVE A VIEW SHED FROM SAY, NORTH LAWN AVENUE, UH, LIKE DIRECT WHERE THERE'S DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT AND THEY CAN SUPER IMPOSE, UM, WITH A VISUAL RENDERING WHAT THE BUILDING WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM THIS VANTAGE POINT? WELL, THEY ALREADY STATED THAT THEY'D HAVE TO GET BACK TO US WITH WHAT THE HEIGHTS OF THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS WERE, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
YOU CAN ALMOST SEE THE ANSWER OF LOOKING AT THIS PHOTO, AERIAL PHOTO, AND THEY, THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, PREPARE, TAKE AN EXISTING PHOTO FROM LIKE, SAY THIS VANTAGE POINT WHERE THIS SITE IS, UM, AND THEN THEY CAN SUPERPOSE THE NEW BUILDING THERE.
SO YOU COULD KIND OF SEE WHAT IT, LOOK, SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM THIS VANTAGE POINT FROM THESE, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN THE TOWN.
UM, LET ME ASK YOU THIS FROM A PRECEDENT PERSPECTIVE.
UM, HOW HEAVILY DOES THE, THE BORDER FACTOR IN? I MEAN, UM, I THINK THIS WOULD BE A MUCH DIFFERENT, OH, IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT APPLICATION IF IT WERE JUST ON THE INTERIOR AND THE TOWN OF GREENBURG IN THEI DISTRICT, NOT BORDERING ELMSFORD.
UM, I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU FEEL THAT THERE'S A MAJOR DISTINCTION WHEREAS, UH, THE PRECEDENT ELSEWHERE IN THEI DISTRICT FULLY IN UNINCORPORATED IS, LET'S SAY LESSENED WHEN COMPARED TO, UM, THE POTENTIAL PRECEDENT SETTING VALUE OF, UM, A PARTIAL MULTI-JURISDICTION APPROVAL BUILDING IF THE BOARD WERE CONCERNED ABOUT PRECEDENTS? ANY COMMENT THERE OR YOU WANNA THINK ABOUT IT? ANY DIFFERENCE? ANY DIFFERENCE IN CIRCUMSTANCE IS, UH, IS, UH, JUSTIFICATION FOR NOT USING A PARTICULAR CASE AS, UM, AS PRECEDENT, YOU ARE BOUND TO FOLLOW PRECEDENT ONLY IF ALL OTHER THINGS ARE EQUAL.
SO IF YOU CAN, IF, IF, FOR INSTANCE, I'LL GIVE YOU THE, THE TERRIBLE EXAMPLE, THE GOLDBERG APPLICATION WHERE, UH, THE, THE ZONING BOARD, UH, DENIED A SUBDIVISION AND THEN 10 YEARS LATER, UH, DENIED A VARIANCE THAT TO PERMIT A SUBDIVISION.
AND THEN 10 YEARS LATER, A NEW, UH, OWNER COMES IN FOR PRACTICALLY, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, THE SAME EXACT APPLICATION.
AND THERE WAS A CHANGE OF MEMBERSHIP ON THE BOARD.
AND, UH, THE NEWER MEMBERS DECIDED THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE OLD, UH, THEY DIDN'T AGREE WITH THE, WITH THE FIRST DECISION, AND WE HAD TO COME UP WITH A DISTINCTION.
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AND WE DID.AND THE MAIN DIFFERENCE WAS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD IN THE, UM, IN THE FIRST APPLICATION GAVE A NEUTRAL, UH, RECOMMENDATION VERSUS THE SECOND APPLICATION WHERE THEY GAVE A POSITIVE, UH, UH, RECOMMENDATION.
SO ANYTHING, AND THAT WAS CHALLENGED AND IT WAS UPHELD SO THAT ANY DISTINCTION, ANY CHANGE CAN DEFEAT A PRECEDENT.
AND HERE YOU HAVE ALREADY MADE, UH, UH, REASON, WHICH IS THE MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL ASPECT OF THIS PARTICULAR LOT, WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ENTIRELY WITHIN THE TOWN.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, DID I PUT EVERYONE TO SLEEP
I WAS SAYING THAT, THAT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO ME NEEDS TO BE, UM, IMPROVED.
I MEAN, IT, IT, THAT IS SUCH A DUMB, I MEAN, IT'S ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO YES.
THAT INVIGOR WHAT? SUGGESTING THAT WE GO TO NORTH KOREA AND GET, UH, AND GET SOMETHING FROM THEM
BUT IS THIS AN IMPROVEMENT? IT IS.
IS THIS, IS THIS HOW WE WANT IT TO IMPROVE? WELL, HOW IT'S NORTH WHITE INDUSTRY OF THE AREA, IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT BECAUSE IT'S NOT ANOTHER TOW TRUCK, IT'S NOT ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, MECHANIC, WHATEVER.
IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S LOOKS LIKE A NICE BUILDING THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE, UH, USED IN ANY WAY OTHER THAN FOR STORAGE.
BUT IT'S MASSIVE AND IT'S REALLY, REALLY WELL, SO, SO IS THE BUILDING ON, ON TARRYTOWN ROAD? IT'S MASSIVE, BUT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE VOLVO SERVICE STATION? SERVICE BUILDING? WELL, LINCOLN VOLVO, YEAH.
IF I LOOKED IT UP ON GOOGLE EARTH VIEW, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FOUR STORIES, BUT THEY LOOK LIKE LARGE STORIES.
SO I DON'T KNOW THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE WHOLE BUILDING.
YEAH, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S APPROXIMATELY FOUR STORIES.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S NEXT TO, UH, BURGER KING.
SO IN CASE YOU GUYS WANNA HAVE, IT'S HIGHER THOUGH, THAN LIKE 45 FEET.
I MEAN, IT'S, YEAH, IT IS HIGH.
WELL, ANYWAY, CAN WE KICK THIS DOWN? THE DOWN? WELL, WE'RE GONNA KICK IT DOWN.
THE QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE WE GONNA ASK THESE PEOPLE TO DO
GET A LOOK OF IT WITH A NEIGHBORHOOD GARRETT SUGGESTION.
IT'S GONNA, IT, IT'S, IT'S
IT'S A BIG BOX, WINDOWLESS BOX.
THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS A BAD THING OR NOT.
I DON'T SEE IT AS A BAD THING.
BECAUSE EVERYTHING OVER THERE HAS THAT FLOOD PROBLEM, EVERYTHING MM-HMM.
THE ONES I'VE USED IN YONKERS HAVE BEEN MUCH SMALLER THAN THAT.
THEY'RE PRETTY BIG TOO, AREN'T THEY? I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
I REALLY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
I JUST, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING TONIGHT, SO.
I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT IS IT THAT WE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALL IN SYNC, SO I'M JUST TRYING TO WELL, I, I HAD ASKED FOR, UH, COMPARISONS BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORING STRUCTURES IN TERMS OF HEIGHT, AND THEY SAID THAT THEY HAD TO GET BACK TO US ON THAT.
SO THAT IS A QUESTION TO FORMALLY ASK THEM.
DO WE NEED ANY, UM, COMPARISON BETWEEN THEM AND WEST'S FOR ANY REASON OR NOT
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SO, YOU KNOW, BULK AND THE SIZE OF THE STORAGE IS JUST TELLING YOU THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO NEED, UM, WHAT THEY ARE GIVING THEM.
I THOUGHT DECLUTTERING WAS A THING NOW.
UH, YOU DECLUTTER WITH, YOU DON'T WANNA GET RID OF.
THAT'S, UH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON, UM, WHETHER THIS IS ON AT THE NEXT MEETING OR AUGUST.
UM, I THINK PROCEDURALLY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS, UH, IT SOUNDS AS IF IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE VILLAGE BOARD OF TRUSTEES NOTICE OF LEAD AGENCY INTENT.
UM, THIS BOARD COULD SIGN OFF ON THAT EITHER IN ADVANCE WITH, BY VIRTUE OF, UH, CHAIRPERSON BUN SMITH DOING SO, OR BY VOTE AT ITS NEXT MEETING.
UM, BUT IN DOING SO, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UM, THIS COULDN'T BE TAKEN UP AT THE, THE SUBSEQUENT MEETING.
IF, IF ALL THAT GOES, OF COURSE THAT PRESUPPOSES THAT THIS BOARD, AFTER HEARING WHAT, UH, ELMSFORD PERMITS DOESN'T DECIDE TO TAKE IT ON ITSELF.
BUT IF THAT'S THE CASE, UM, I THINK WE SHOULD ESTABLISH IF THAT WOULD BE THE CASE, THE TIME TO DO THAT WOULD BE TONIGHT FOR DISCUSSION.
SO DO YOU UNDERSTAND EVERYONE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? RIGHT.
SO JUST AS A QUICK BRIEFER, UH, A PRIMER, THE, UM, SEEKER PROCESS HERE, BECAUSE THE, THE PROJECT'S IN A MULTI-JURISDICTION, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT IT CAN GO ABOUT.
SOMETIMES, UM, THERE'S CO-LEAD AGENCIES WITH, UH, ONE BOARD IN EACH JURISDICTION, UM, THAT IS ENABLED, UM, AS A PROCESS.
UH, OFTEN, OFTEN WHAT HAPPENS IS ONE BOARD, UM, IN ONE OF THE JURISDICTIONS WILL DECLARE LEAD AGENCY INTENT AND TAKE OVER THE SEEKER PROCESS.
UM, AND IF THAT'S THE CASE WITH THE VILLAGE BOARD OF LIKE, IT'S THEIR INTENT, UM, YOU COULD PARTICIPATE AS AN INVOLVED AGENCY IF THIS BOARD FELT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THE, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, 10 VARIANCES I THINK IS THE NUMBER THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SUCH A POWERFUL NUMBER AND THAT YOU FEEL THAT IT'S, UH, MOST APPROPRIATE FOR, UH, THE TOWN OF GREENBERG ZONING BOARD TO BE LEAD AGENCY.
UH, YOU CERTAINLY COULD MAKE THAT CASE AND, UH, ACTUALLY DECLARE YOUR INTENT.
UM, YOU COULD DO SO TONIGHT IF YOU FELT THAT STRONGLY ABOUT IT.
SO, UM, JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT THOSE OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE.
AND LET'S ASSUME THAT BOTH BOARDS WANT IT.
WHAT IS THE, UH, HOW IS THAT RESOLVED? UM, IT'S RARE THAT THAT'S THE CASE, BUT, UM, I'D HAVE TO CHECK THE SECRET HANDBOOK.
UM, I THINK THERE'S A, A, A MEDIATION PERIOD AND, UH, ULTIMATELY
BUT, UM, I'D HAVE TO CHECK THE HANDBOOK.
IT'S SO, SO RARE THAT THAT HAPPENS.
SO WE'RE PUTTING THIS OVER TILL AUGUST
WELL FIRST, I, I THINK GARRETT WAS ASKING IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY, UH, FEELING ON YOUR BOARD, UH, THAT YOU REALLY, YOU REALLY, REALLY, REALLY WANT TO BE LEAD AGENCY ON THIS? I'M GONNA SAY NO.
ULTIMATELY, THE, THE, THE, THE WAY YOU, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER WAY TO PHRASE IT IS IF THE BOARD FEELS SO STRONGLY THAT, UM, A FIVE STORY BUILDING OR WHAT'S PROPOSED WOULD HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVE IMPACT THAT SUCH THAT YOU'D WANT AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT PREPARED, UM, YOU WOULD WANNA, YOU WOULD WANNA BE, IF THAT WAS YOUR FEELING, YOU WOULD WANNA BE LEAD AGENCY BECAUSE BASED ON THE REPRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT TONIGHT IS THERE'S GONNA BE NO SUCH FINDING FROM THE VILLAGE BOARD OF, UH, IN ELMSFORD.
UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE VERY FAVORABLE ABOUT THE PROJECT.
SO, UM, IF ULTIMATELY THEY'RE THE LEAD AGENCY AND THEY MAKE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO GRANT THE VARIANCES, BUT, UM, YOU WOULD BE SIGNING OFF WITH THEM THAT A FIVE STORY BUILDING WOULD
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NOT BE A SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVE IMPACT WARRANTING AN E I S WHICH COULD CONCEIVABLY DRIVE THE, THE HIKE DOWN BECAUSE OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.THE VILLAGE OF ELMS
FOR THE HEIGHT NO, L WAS SAYING SOMETHING.
SORRY, I I WASN'T CLEAR ENOUGH.
NO, THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD BE THE LEAD AGENCY.
IF THERE'S THERE, IF, IF THAT'S THE, THE WOMEN OF THE BOARD, THAT'S FINE.
THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY WANNA BE.
AND, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL WAIT TO FIELD THAT ACTUAL NOTIFICATION AND WE'LL CIRCULATE IT TO YOU AND, UM, THE C B A CAN SIGN OFF ON THAT.
IN THAT CASE, THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES, DO YOU WANT TO PUT THIS OVER TO JULY OR AUGUST? I SAID AUGUST, BUT I THINK IT SOMETHING WITH THE 30 DAYS.
AND WE HAD TO START THE, THE 30 DAYS ONLY KICKS IN IF, UH, ALL THE, UH, POTENTIALLY INVOLVED AGENCIES DON'T WRITE BACK.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WESTCHESTER COUNTY'S AN INVOLVED AGENCY.
THE D E C IS AN INVOLVED AGENCY.
UM, ULTIMATELY, IF, IF ALL THE INVOLVED AGENCIES DON'T RESPOND BACK, THEY WOULD LET US KNOW AND THEN WE WOULD ADJOURN AND NOT EVEN HEAR IT NEXT MONTH.
MAYBE THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO PUT IT ON NEXT MONTH, AND IF, UM, THE LEAD AGENCY, UH, SCENARIO IS NOT FINALIZED, THEN YOU CAN JUST ADJOURN AND NOT HEAR IT.
BUT THERE IS THE PROSPECT THAT COULD BE, THAT COULD BE WRAPPED UP.
CAN I INTERRUPT ONE MOMENT? AND THAT IS, MOST OF THE CASES OF TONIGHT ARE BEING HELD OVER FOR WHATEVER REASON.
AND WE DO HAVE FOUR NEW CASES WAITING TO, TO COME ON.
SO I'M JUST SAYING MAYBE WE COULD MAKE ROOM FOR COUPLE OF THEM.
HOW WOULD YOU SUGGEST WE DO THAT, CAROL? WELL, JUST FOR THIS ONE.
I MEAN, AND WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T DO IT, BUT WE'RE NOT SAYING, OKAY, GO FOR IT RIGHT AWAY.
WE CAN'T WAIT FOR YOU TO PUT IT UP
SO WHAT PUT HER ON FOR JULY? SO WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
UH, GARRETT JUST STATED A VERY RATIONAL APPROACH, WHICH WAS PUT IT ON FOR JULY AND IF NOTHING PANS OUT, THEN IT JUST GETS HELD OVER TO AUGUST.
BUT JUST TO ARBITRARILY PUT IT OVER TO AUGUST, I, I THINK IT'S NOT ARBITRARILY WE'RE TRYING TO FREE UP SOME SPACE FOR SOME OF THE CASES THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN GREENBURG.
TOO, EVE, I'M SURE YOU DO, BUT YOU'RE ONLY ONE VOICE.
BUT, UM, I DON'T MIND MAKING THEM WAIT TILL AUGUST AND LETTING THE PEOPLE COME ON IN JULY THAT REALLY NEED TO GET ON IN JULY.
DIANE, WHY DON'T WE SEE WHERE WE NET OUT WITH THE NEXT TWO CASES IF THEY'RE BOTH HELD OVER? 'CAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD, UM, POTENTIALLY IMPACT THE DECISION.
'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE POTENTIALLY COULD, COULD ON, UH, 17 AND 18 BE HOLDING THOSE OVER TOO, SO YEAH.
BUT THEY WOULD BE ON NEXT, NEXT MONTH AND THEN, THEN, THEN I WOULD SAY, WELL, LET'S PUT 16 TO AUGUST 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE TOO MUCH FOR NEXT MONTH WITH NEW CASES COMING ON.
SO THAT'S WHY I, I THINK WHERE WE NET OUT WITH 17 AND 18 KIND OF DETERMINES THE DECISION.
CHRISTIE, UM,
I WOULD LEAVE, LEAVE IT FOR JULY AND WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH IT.
AND IF THEY DON'T HAVE EVERYTHING IN IT, BUMPS TO AUGUST.
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IT'S A DECISION FOR YOU TO MAKE.
WELL,
I'M GONNA CHANGE MY VOTE AND SAY JULY.
SO IT GOES TO JULY AND WE CAN MOVE ON.
THAT'S, I'M COMPETING THAT WAY ANYWAY, BUT ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S GO TO, UH, 2217.
RIGHT, WHICH IS OUR GAS STATION, OUR SCAR CAR WASH I SHOULD SAY.
SO THAT ONE SHOULD BE ON NEXT MONTH, I ASSUME.
WE'LL REQUEST THE, UH, RENDERING SO YOU GET A REALLY GOOD SENSE OF THE SCALE OF THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT PROPOSED SIGN AND IN ITS CONTEXT, IN ITS EXACT SPOT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU FEEL IT'S APPROPRIATE, THEN YOU'LL BE SET TO VOTE, UH, SOUNDS LIKE.
AND UH, IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT, THEN YOU CAN ASK FOR A LOWER SIGN.
WE DON'T ONLY LIKE A EIGHT FOOT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S JUST NOT QUITE SO HIGH.
ALSO, KEEP IN MIND IT'S A SOLID SIGN DOWN TO THE GROUND.
THE VARIANCE REQUEST, THE VARIANCE FEET IS NOT THE VARIANCE REQUEST.
SO WHY WOULD YOU WANT SOMETHING SMALLER WHEN 10 FEET ISN'T TOO HIGH ANYWAY, EXCEPT IT GOES DOWN TO THE GROUND? WELL, THAT'S, THE VARIANCE IS FROM ZERO TO FIVE FEET, NOT 10 FEET IN HEIGHT.
SO IT CAN BE ANY HEIGHT IT WANTS, IT JUST HAS TO BE A FIVE.
OH, IT CAN'T BE ANY HEIGHT IT WANTS, IT JUST CAN'T BE HIGHER THAN THE ZONING BOARD.
THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS ALLOWS IT TO BE.
AND 10 FEET ISN'T THAT HEIGHT, BUT USUALLY WE CUT SOMETHING OFF FROM THE BOTTOM SO THAT IT LOOKS LESS UP OPPOSING, OMINOUS, WHATEVER THE WORD WORD IS.
I DON'T MIND THAT THOUGH, BECAUSE IT'S THIN.
LIKE, I THINK IT'S KIND OF MODERN AND THIN AND I DON'T KNOW.
I, I PREFER THE LOOK OF THAT TO THE SIGN WITH THE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SPACE UNDERNEATH.
TO BE HONEST, THAT'S BEAT SQUARE FOOTAGE OR BIGGEST MORE SURFACE AREA.
I THINK THIS IS A NICE, CLEAN, APPROPRIATE SIGN.
WE'LL MAKE SURE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SIGNS OFF ON THE SITE LINE AND THEN, AND, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T DEEM THAT THAT'S UNSAFE WITHOUT, WITHOUT THE GAP AT THE BOTTOM.
BUT WE'LL GET YOU A VISUAL RENDERING.
AND NOW WE GO TO OUR LAST SIGN, WHICH IS CASH CENTRAL.
I THINK WE CAN GO, I, I'D LIKE TO JUST GO TO A VOTE TO DENY IT.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK AND ASK THEM TO COME BACK WITH ALTERNATIVES INSTEAD OF JUST DENYING IT.
LIKE LOOKING AT MAKING IT SMALLER.
HE DOESN'T NEED A VARIANCE AT FOUR FEET.
WELL, BUT HE COULD MAKE IT, IT COULD BE LIKE SIX FEET.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE IT COULD BE SOMETHING IN BETWEEN.
IT COULD BE SOMETHING IN BETWEEN.
I'LL WRITE A LETTER ASKING TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE VARIANCE.
SEE WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD CASES WHERE THEY COME IN AND THEY ASK US FOR WHAT THEY WANT AND THEN WHEN WE SAY, OH, WE'RE NOT SURE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE REALLY WANNA GIVE US, THEY IMMEDIATELY WHIP OUT ANOTHER SIGN AND SAY, WELL, HOW ABOUT THIS ONE? AND WE SAY, HOW COME, MAYBE IT COULD BE A LITTLE SMALLER.
AND THEN THEY GO AND THEY DO THIS ALL THE SAME NIGHT, BY THE WAY, AND IT COMES ANOTHER SIGN AND WE GO, WELL THAT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD,
AND, AND I WOULD ALSO, YOU KNOW, IF, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HEARD THIS, BUT HE ACTUALLY CHANGED HIS LOGO FOR THE SIGN.
SO IF HE WAS WILLING TO CHANGE HIS LOGO FOR THE SIGN,
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HE COULD CLOSE UP SOME OF THE SPACE IN THE CIRCLE WITH THE LETTERS TOO AND REDUCE IT.SO THERE'S UH, A LOT OF WAYS TO MAKE THAT SMALLER IF YOU WOULD CHOOSE TO DO THAT.
MY, MY THEORY IS, YOU KNOW, AND I HAVE A QUESTION.
THE, THE LETTERS IN THAT, UH, LOGO THERE, THE C AND THE E, THEY'RE FOUR FEET TALL.
IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE CIRCLE, WOULD THAT BE CONFORMING? ARE THOSE CONSIDERED KEY LETTERS? FOUR FOOT LOGO? YEAH.
OR IS IT THE CIRCLE OR IS IT THE CIRCLE? NO, IT'S THE ADDITIONAL CIRCLE THAT MAKES IT THE EIGHT FEET.
'CAUSE IT'S ALL PART OF THE INSIGNIA AND IT'S ALL PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE LOGO.
ALRIGHT, SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING IF, IF YOU TOOK AWAY, IF YOU TOOK AWAY THE CIRCLE, THOSE LETTERS ALONE ARE FOUR FEET HIGH AND IT WOULD CONFIRM, I BELIEVE.
BUT IF HE, IF HE PUT A STAINLESS STEEL CIR EIGHT FOOT CIRCLE ON THE SURFACE OF THE WALL AND PUT THOSE LETTERS IN FRONT OF IT, HE WOULD NOT NEED A VARIANCE.
HE'S LISTENING TO YOU, YOU KNOW, IS HE, IF YOU'RE LISTENING,
BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO SEE THE SIGNS NECESSARILY THESE DAYS.
YOU NEED TO SEE YOUR PHONE BECAUSE IT TELLS YOU EXACTLY WHERE TO GO.
HE HAS THE SIGN THAT SAYS COIN EXCHANGE IN TWO FOOT LETTERS.
YOU KNOW, HE, HE'S GOT, HE'S GOT THAT ALREADY UP.
I, I, I DO ACTUALLY THINK THERE'S A NEED TO SEE THE SIGN BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU HAVE YOUR PHONE OUT, YOU WANNA SEE THE SIGN.
BUT THIS BUILDING IS SO CLOSE TO THE STREET THAT IT COULD BE ONE FEET HIGH.
AND YOU, THAT'S, THAT'S MY POINT, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT EVE, EVE MADE THE VERY EXCELLENT POINT THAT THE WORDS COIN EXCHANGE ARE TO THE LEFT, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE FRONT ELEVATION OF, OF THE BUILDING.
SO ALL THIS IS, IS A LOGO AND NOT A VERY WELL DESIGNED LOGO, BY THE WAY, WHICH I'LL SAY TO US, UM, HE DIDN'T SAY THAT THEY CHANGED THE LOGO TO FIT THAT.
IT'S JUST HE SAID THAT THE E WAS MADE SMALLER SO THAT IT WOULD FIT WITHIN THE EIGHT FOOT CIRCLE.
BUT IN FACT, THE E AND THAT, THAT'S PART OF THE LOGO, THE E COULD STAY THE SAME SIZE AS THE C AND STILL FIT WITHIN THE CIRCLE RIGHT NOW.
IT SEEMS AS IF THE CE IS LIKE AT A PERSPECTIVE GOING OFF TO THE RIGHT, WHICH MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.
NOW, I'M NOT A LOGO DESIGNER, SO I DON'T REALLY CARE, BUT, UM, I DO AGREE THAT THE SIZE OF THE CIRCLE DOES FIT WELL WITHIN THAT CENTRAL SPACE THAT APPARENTLY WAS SET THERE SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT LOGO TO GO THERE.
BUT IS IT ABSOLUTELY NEEDED AND NECESSARY? I DO NOT BELIEVE SO.
IT'S, IT'S HIS CHALLENGE TO COME UP WITH A BETTER SOLUTION BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS ALREADY WELL STATED THAT IT'S THE COIN EXCHANGE, THE LOGO IS ABSOLUTELY SUPERFLUOUS.
WELL, AND I'LL EVEN SAY THAT THE COIN EXCHANGE IN WORDS IS ACTUALLY PART OF HIS LOGO.
THE, UM, THE CIRCLE WITH THE CE IS WHAT YOU PULL AN E B U, WHICH IS AN EXTRACTED WELL BRAND WHAT BRAND UNIT, WHICH IS LIKE, UM, YOUR VISUAL.
SO HE ALREADY, THE COIN EXCHANGE IS ACTUALLY HIS LOGO IN THE WORDS, THAT'S HIS FONT AND PART OF HIS LOGO IF YOU SAY SO IT, IT, IT, YES.
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I'M JUST SAYING HE DOESN'T EVEN NEED THAT VISUAL THERE.UM, I THINK HE, IF HE WANTS IT, IT'S, IT'S A GREAT VISUAL RE RECOGNITION WITHOUT HAVING TO READ WORDS, BUT, UM, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THAT BIG.
AND, AND THAT'S WHY MY ORIGINAL POINT WAS DENY IT, LET HIM FIGURE OUT SOMETHING THAT HE CAN DO WITHIN THE RULES, WITHIN WHAT'S AVAILABLE WITHOUT NEEDING A VARIANCE.
BUT IF, BUT WELL, IF WE DENY IT, WE KNOW WHAT HE'S GONNA HAVE TO DO.
SO THE QUESTION IS, WELL, WE, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A HISTORY OF ALLOWING OUR, OUR APPLICANTS TO COME BACK TO US AND TRY TO SATISFY US AS OPPOSED TO JUST DENYING THEM.
IT HAS TO BE PRETTY BAD FOR US TO REALLY DENY OUTRIGHT.
I WAS KIND TRYING TO CLEAR UP JULY,
I WENT TO HIS WEBSITE AND THE PROPORTION OF THE WORDS TO UM, WHEN THEY'RE PUT TOGETHER IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT HE HAS ON THE BUILDING.
REALLY? SO IF, IF YOU GO TO HIS WEB WEBSITE, THE CE IN A CIRCLE IS SMALLER IN PROPORTION TO THE WORDS POINT EXPRESS.
WE'RE BACK TO A, PERHAPS TONIGHT IT'S A LITTLE BIGGER, BUT PROPORTIONALLY IT'S SMALLER THAN WHAT HE HAS ON THE BUILDING, SO HE CAN ALWAYS WITHDRAW.
BUT JUST CAN WE, CAN WE TAKE A STRAW BALL? WELL, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA DENY RIGHT.
NO, I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING BETTER OR WITHDRAW.
NO, WE ARE JUST DENYING HIM OUTRIGHT AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE STATING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CLEAR UP NEXT MONTH'S SCHEDULE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE HEARING THAT.
I'M SORRY, THAT WAS, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE USING OUR TIME AS EFFECTIVELY AS WE CAN.
I, WE GIVE EVERYBODY OPPORTUNITIES TO COME BACK AND IT, I THINK WE SHOULD, HE COULD DO THAT OR HE COULD WITHDRAW.
SO WE'RE READY TO, UH, GO BACK ON THIS.
NO, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, FOR GARRETT ON THE FIRST THREE CASES.
NUMBER ONE, IS IT REALISTIC TO PUT BLOOM ON FOR JULY? WE'VE BEEN CARRYING THIS SINCE LAST SEPTEMBER.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS THEY'RE TRYING TO DO BY NEXT MONTH.
SO, UM, IN, IN LIGHT OF CONSTANT, UH, ADJOURNMENTS AND THE HEAVY SCHEDULE, I WOULD SAY, UM, AUGUST.
SECOND QUESTION ON DOBBS FERRY REALTY.
WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD OF GETTING SOMETHING FROM D O T? UH, I THINK IT'S, UH, VERY PROBABLE.
AND GZ, THAT'S CASE NUMBER THREE.
THAT'S ALSO BEEN ADJOURNED SEVERAL TIMES.
I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST ONCE BEFORE ANTHONY.
UM, IS THERE ANY PROSPECT OF, OF, OF, OF UPDATED, UH, UM, LETTER OF, OF, OF DENIAL OR IS THAT NOT THE CASE AND IF, WELL, WELL IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THEY WERE REACHING OUT TO THE, TO THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, BUT THEY WANTED OKAY.
WITH THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON THAT.
UM, WHO SAY THE APPLICANT? WHO WOULD I HAVE HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT? WE'LL, WE'LL DISCUSS IT AT IF YOU'D LIKE TOMORROW.
UM, I WON'T, I MAY NOT BE IN TOMORROW.
AND THAT'S MULTIPLE, THAT'S MULTIPLE ADJOURNMENTS? UM, UH, I, I, I MAY IN THE SAME, IN THE SAME VEIN.
IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO DO AUGUST FOR THAT ONE.
SO THAT WAS THREE QUESTIONS, ED, ARE WE THREE OF THREE? WE'RE GOOD? THAT'S IT.
JUST DIVE INTO THE, UM, COIN EXCHANGE WEBSITE THAT YOU SAID THAT YOU SUGGESTED THAT BLACK AREA IS A GORGEOUS STONE AREA.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY THEY WANNA COVER IT.
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I MEANT, UH, THREE OF ED'S QUESTIONS.UH, EVE, CAN YOU JUST REVIEW WHICH CASES ARE ADJOURNED TO AUGUST? YES.
20 BLOOM, TWENTY ONE, TWENTY SIX BLOOM.
SIX TWENTY FIVE DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
WAS THERE ANOTHER ONE FOR AUGUST? NO, NO, NO.
OKAY, WE CAN GO BACK ON THE RECORD PLEASE.
OKAY, YOU READY TO, UH, AS LONG AS THIS STENOGRAPHER'S READY? UH, DEBBIE, UH, IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE THIS THE SIGNAL THAT YOU'RE GOOD TO GO THERE AND, UH, SHOOT HER A QUICK NOTE.
AND EVE ON THE CARLSONS, JUST TO BE CLEAR, DID YOU HAVE THAT.
DID YOU, WERE YOU ABLE TO JOT THAT DATE DOWN, UM, ON THE WRITTEN RECORD THERE ON THE, WHICH, I'M SORRY.
UH, SO CLOSED, UH, IT'S CLOSED, YES.
TWO SEVEN FOR DECISION, BUT UM, WRITTEN RECORD OPEN UNTIL JULY 7TH, 22.
UH, DEBBIE, I SAW HER A MINUTE AGO.
SO ONCE DEBBIE GIVES US THE THUMBS UP, YOU ARE ALL SET TO UH, BEGIN.
AND WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD WITH, UH, HAVING HAD OUR DELIBERATIONS FOR THE EVENING.
AND THE FIRST CASE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA WAS CASE 2126 BLOOM ENERGY CORPORATION.
THAT IS NOW ADJOURNED FOR ALL PURPOSES TO THE MEETING OF AUGUST 18TH.
THE NEXT CASE IS CASE TWENTY TWO OH FOUR SIX TWO FIVE DOBBS FERRY REALTY.
THAT'S PROPERTY AT SIX TWENTY FIVE DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
THE FARM MARKET THAT IS ADJOURNED, I'M SORRY, THAT IS CLOSED FOR DECISION ONLY.
HOWEVER, THE RECORD IS BEING HELD OPEN TO JULY 7TH, 2022 AND IT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR SEPTEMBER 14TH.
THE NEXT CASE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS CASE 2205 OR, AND THAT IS BEING ADJOURNED FOR ALL PURPOSES TO AUGUST 18TH.
THE NEXT CASE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS CASE 2208 SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB.
AND THAT IS BEING REOPENED AND NOTICED.
AND THAT WILL BE ON THE AGENDA FOR SEPTEMBER 14TH.
AGAIN, YOU'RE SAYING SEPTEMBER, SORRY, DID I SAY SEPTEMBER? UH, JULY 14TH.
UH, NEXT CASE IS CASE 2215 MARION WOODS, L L C.
THAT'S PROPERTY AT 1 52 RIDGE ROAD AND THAT IS ADJOURNED FOR ALL PURPOSES TO THE MEETING OF JULY 14TH.
THE NEXT CASE IS RENARD SELF-STORAGE L L C.
THAT'S THE PROPERTY IN ELMSFORD ON 42 44 HAY STREET.
AND THAT IS ALSO ADJOURNED TO THE MEETING OF 14TH.
THE NEXT CASE IS CASE 2217, JEAN SHELEY PROPERTY AT 2 0 8 TERRYTOWN ROAD.
AND THAT IS ALSO ADJOURNED FOR ALL PURPOSES TO JULY 14TH.
AND THE LAST CASE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS CASE 22 18 3 CENTRAL AVENUE, L L C.
THAT'S PROPERTY AT THREE CENTRAL AVENUE AND THAT CASE ALSO IS ADJOURNED TO JULY 14TH.
AND WITH THAT, WE HAVE COMPLETED
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OUR PURPOSE AND DUTIES FOR THIS EVENING.I WISH TO THANK THE BOARD AND ALL ASSOCIATED SUPPORT THAT WE HAVE WITH US AND THE PEOPLE WHO MANAGED TO HANG IN WITH US ALSO THIS EVENING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND HOPEFULLY THIS SUMMER IS WITH US AND WE WILL NOW HAVE SOME JOY AND SOME WARMTH.