[ FINAL TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, July 20, 2022 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
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UH, GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE JULY 20TH, 2022, UM, EDITION OF THE TOWN OF GREENBERG PLANNING BOARD.
OUR USUAL CHAIR, UH, HUGH SCHWARTZ, IS UNAVAILABLE TONIGHT.
UM, IT'S MY FIRST TIME DOING THIS, SO I HOPE EVERYONE WILL GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT OF SLACK.
I'M GOING TO TRY TO UPHOLD THE STANDARD THAT WALTER AND AND HUGH HAVE SET.
I'M HOPING TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE ON THE BOARD, AND I WILL DO MY BEST TO RECOGNIZE YOU.
PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND, UH, SO WE'RE NOT TALKING OVER EACH OTHER.
UM, I'M NOT REAL WELL VERSED IN ZOOM AND, AND SEEING THAT KIND OF THING, BUT I'M GONNA DO MY BEST AND JUST SHOUT OUT IF I MISS YOU SOMEHOW.
AND LET'S STICK TO THE TOPICS AT HAND AND THE THINGS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, HAS PURVIEW OVER.
AND TRY NOT TO GO TOO FAR A FIELD ON OTHER TOPICS, NOT THAT WE EVER WOULD.
UM, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE? YES, MY PLEASURE.
MS. DAVIS WILL BE A VOTING MEMBER THIS EVENING AS WE DON'T HAVE A FULL BOARD, UH, FOR THE RECORD BOARD MEMBER SCHWARTZ.
AND AT THE MOMENT, MR. SNAGS ARE NOT PRESENT, ALTHOUGH WE DO EXPECT MR. SNAGS TO SHOW UP MOMENTARILY.
UH, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WERE VERY DETAILED.
THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
DID ANYONE HAVE ANY ISSUES OR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I DID NOT.
UM, LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET TO THIS ON PAGE FOUR WHERE WE HAVE THE, UM, VOTE AT THE END OF THE VOTE, I'D LIKE TO CORRECT THE VOTE TO SAY THAT I ABSTAINED AS OPPOSED TO A UNANIMOUS VOTE.
WE CAN MAKE THAT CORRECTION, MON.
YOU SAY THERE WERE, THERE SEEMED TO BE TWO VOTES.
UH, DID YOU RE, UH, DO THAT ON BOTH? YES.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED? SO MOVED.
SOMEONE'S GONNA HAVE TO DO IT.
ANY ANYONE OPPOSED? I'M SORRY I'M A LITTLE LATE.
DID YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES ON THE MINUTES, JOHANN? I DID NOT.
SO I VOTE FOR APPROVAL AS WELL.
UM, NEXT WE HAVE CORRESPONDENT.
THERE ARE ONLY TWO, UH, RELATIVELY SMALL ITEMS, ONE VERY SMALL.
THE FIRST IS A NOTICE WENT OUT TODAY ON THE TOWN WEBSITE THAT THERE IS A SITE VISIT BEING HELD THIS FRIDAY AT NOON REGARDING A, A PROJECT AT THE SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB.
UM, IT WAS STATED THAT THE PLANNING BOARD IS, UM, OFFICIALLY TO BE IN ATTENDANCE THERE.
THAT'S AN ERROR, BUT WE ARE NOT OFFICIALLY PART OF THAT.
HOWEVER, ANYONE FROM THE PLANNING BOARD WHO MAY WISH TO ATTEND IS CERTAINLY FREE TO GO WITH BALLOON.
PARDON ME? WITH BALLOONS? YES.
WITH BALLOONS, YEAH, WITH BALLOONS OR HOWEVER YOU WISH.
THE SECOND ITEM IS, UM, SOMETHING THAT, AND GARRETT'S NOT ON RIGHT NOW, SOMETHING GARRETT QUE SENT TO HUGH AND I, AND UNFORTUNATELY WE DID NOT CIRCULATE THIS TO YOU.
NOT, UH, INTENTIONALLY, BUT IT'S, UM, IT'S A LETTER.
YES, AARON, TOM, I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH IT IF YOU WISH.
I HAVE IT AVAILABLE, IF THAT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU, BUT I WAS, I WAS GONNA READ IT.
IF, IF THAT'S OKAY, GO FOR IT, PLEASE.
SO, UH, GARRETT DRAFTED A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD TO THE TOWN BOARD SUPPORTING THE, UM, APPLICATION FOR A FURTHER GRANT TO HELP RESTORE THE ODELL HOUSE, WHICH, UH, WAS PURCHASED BY THE TOWN A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
A GRANT WAS OBTAINED TO BEGIN THE RESTORATION.
MUCH MORE WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE, AND ANOTHER GRANT IS BEING PREPARED.
AND, UH, GARRETT WAS HOPING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD SUPPORT
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THE TOWN'S, UM, APPLICATION.UH, IT'S WITH ENTHUSIASM THAT THE PLANNING BOARD OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG SUPPORTS THE TOWN OF GREENBURG'S SUBMISSION OF AN APPLICATION FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN CONNECTION WITH, AND THIS IS LONG, THE NEW YORK STATE OFFICE OF PARKS RECREATION AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION FUND GRANTS PROGRAM, UH, FOR PARKS PRESERVATION AND HERITAGE FOR FUNDING FOR RESERVATION IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ODELL HOUSE.
UM, ODELL HOUSE IS RECOGNIZED THROUGH LOCAL AND NEW YORK STATE HISTORIC DESIGNATION.
IT'S LISTED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
AND THE RESTORATION OF THIS HOUSE TO MAKE IT PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE WILL BE AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY PROVIDING EDUCATIONAL AND TOURISM BENEFITS.
HAVING REVIEWED NUMEROUS PROJECTS IN THE TOWN AND UNDERSTANDING THE IMPORTANCE OF COMMUNITY CHARACTER, THE PRESERVATION OF ODELL HOUSE IS AN ENDEAVOR THAT THE PLANNING BOARD FEELS IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE.
THIS PROJECT REPRESENTS CONSISTENCY WITH THE PRESERVATION GOALS OF THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND, UH, A DOCUMENT THAT THE PLANNING BOARD CLOSELY REVIEWED AS PART OF ITS APPROVAL PROCESS.
IN ADDITION TO PRESERVING A UNIQUE LOCAL PIECE OF AMERICAN HISTORY, THE RESTORATION OF ODELL HOUSE WILL NOT ONLY BE A SOURCE OF PRIDE FOR RESIDENTS IN GREENBURG, BUT SHOULD ALSO BE A SOURCE OF PRIDE.
WELL, BEYOND THAT, UM, THERE IS AN ACRONYM THAT I'M NOT GONNA READ ALL THOSE LETTERS.
THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO DATE BY THE TOWN REPRESENT SIGNIFICANT PRIDE.
SO AT THE END, THE CONCLUSIONS SAYS ADD IS JULY 20TH, 2022, PLANNING BOARD MEETING, WHICH IS NOW THE BOARD UNANIMOUSLY VOTED IN FAVOR OF SUPPORTING THE GRANT APPLICATION AND RELATED ACTIONS TO RESTORE ODELL HOUSE.
AND AT THIS POINT, I NEED TO DISCLOSE THAT I AM ON THE BOARD OF AN ORGANIZATION CALLED FRIENDS OF ODELL, HOUSE CEBO HEADQUARTERS, THAT IS A NONPROFIT SEEKING TO, UM, GENERATE ADDITIONAL FUNDRAISING FOR THIS VERY IMPORTANT HISTORICAL, UH, SITE.
AND I AM THEREFORE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON THIS, BUT I WILL PUT IT OUT FOR A VOTE TO THE REMAINING MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE NOT SEEN IT.
YES, WALTER? OH, I WOULD MAKE, I WOULD MAKE AN, UNLESS, UH, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAVE QUESTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, POSITIVELY SUPPORT THE LETTER, THE APPLICATION.
SO, AND TOM, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT VOTING CORRECT? I AM ABSTAINING, CORRECT.
OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
SO, UH, IT IS, IT IS PASSED OR APPROVED AS IS.
UM, RIGHT, AARON, IS THERE ANYTHING MORE FROM CORRESPONDENCE? THAT'S IT.
SO AT THIS POINT, I BELIEVE IT'S TIME TO MOVE INTO, SO TONIGHT WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC HEARING AND THREE WORK SESSION ITEMS, AND THE PUBLIC HEARING IS GOING TO LEAD.
UH, DO YOU WANT TO SET THAT UP, BARON? YES.
BARBARA, ARE YOU READY FOR US TO MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING? GREAT.
SO I WILL AGAIN CALL THE ROLL FOR THE RECORD.
MS. DAVIS WILL BE A FULL VOTING MEMBER THIS EVENING, UH, AS WE DO NOT HAVE A FULL BOARD CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ, MR. GOLDEN AND MR. DESAI ARE NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
I'M HAPPY TO READ THE INTRODUCTION IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO.
UM, I, I JUST WANNA SAY A COUPLE THINGS, UH, WHICH IS, WE, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS SEEN THIS ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION.
UH, THERE WERE, TO MY RECOLLECTION, THERE WERE NO SIGNIFICANT ISSUES RAISED.
THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE LOT WIDTH, WHICH, UM, WAS RESPONDED TO, AND I BELIEVE A VARIANCE WAS GRANTED.
UM, BUT I DON'T FORESEE ANY SIGNIFICANT, UM, ISSUES OR FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
YES, DAVE AMAYA, AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
AND JUST ONE OTHER ITEM, SECRET HAS BEEN COMPLETED, SO, OKAY.
I HAVE TO DO THAT THIS EVENING.
WELL, I THINK BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU, YOU SAID MOST OF WHAT I PLANNED TO SAY, WELL, SORRY, BUT I'LL GO THROUGH THE APPLICATION VERY BRIEFLY.
13 SOUTHWOOD PLACE PO WHITE PLAINS IN THE R 7.51 FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT.
UH, THIS IS FOR A PROJECT INVOLVING THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION OF ONE EXISTING LOT INTO TWO BUILDABLE LOTS FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTING ONE NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH RELATED IMPROVEMENTS.
THE PROJECT REQUIRES THE REMOVAL OF ONE REGULATED TREE REQUIRING A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
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NO REGULATED STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE OR WETLAND WATERCOURSE DISTURBANCE IS PROPOSED AS PART OF THE PROJECT ON MAY 19TH.THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS GRANTED THE AREA VARIANCE RELATED TO LOT WIDTH.
A REDUCTION DOWN FROM 75 FEET REQUIRED TO 59 FEET APPROVED PROJECT WAS LAST DISCUSSED BY THE PLANNING BOARD ON APRIL 20TH, WHERE IT ISSUED ITS RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD.
I FURTHER NOTE, AS MR. FRIED INDICATED THAT THE PLANNING BOARD DID ADOPT A SEEKER NEGATIVE DECLARATION OF SIGNIFICANCE.
I'LL NOW TURN THINGS OVER TO MR. HANNEY TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT FOR THE BENEFIT OF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, WE'VE ALLOWED THE SHARE SCREEN FUNCTION TO PUT UP THE DRAWINGS.
MY NAME'S THOMAS KHANI WITH HUDSON ENGINEERING.
UM, WE'RE THE ENGINEERS ON THE PROJECT FOR THE TWO LOT SUBDIVISION OF 13 SOUTHWOOD.
UM, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, COULD YOU SPEAK UP A LITTLE LOUDER? YES.
GIMME A LITTLE, GIMME ONE SECOND.
I'LL DO A BRIEF OVERVIEW, UM, AND TURN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU APPEAR TO BE ON SOME KIND OF DELAY AS WELL.
SO WE HAVE A TWO LOT SUBDIVISION.
IT IS THE EXISTING LOT'S ABOUT 17,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, IT'LL BE SUBDIVIDED INTO TWO COMPLIANT LOTS.
UM, ONE JUST OVER 7,500 SQUARE FEET AND 1 9800 SQUARE FEET.
UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE, UH, A LOT WIDTH VARIANCE THAT WAS REQUIRED.
BOTH WATTS ARE FULLY, UH, DIMENSIONALLY RE UH, EXCUSE ME, DIMENSIONALLY, UM, ACCURATE AND MEET THE VILLAGES, THE TOWN'S CODE.
UM, THE DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN PULLED AS CLOSE TO THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY AS POSSIBLE TO AVOID THE STEEP SLOPES IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AS AARON MENTIONED, THIS WILL REQUIRE A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
IT INCLUDES FIVE REPLACEMENT TREES FOR THE ONE TREE BEING REMOVED.
UM, IT INCLUDES A STORMWATER SYSTEM DESIGNED TO THE TOWN STANDARDS.
UM, AND WE RECEIVED THE ZONING VARIANCE TWO MONTHS AGO, AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO MOVING FORWARD.
I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO, UH, SPEAK MORE ON THIS, OR IF YOU'D RATHER JUST ANSWER QUE ASK QUESTIONS, THAT THAT IS FINE TOO.
UM, I THINK THAT'S SUFFICIENT, AND I'M NOT SURE WE EVEN HAVE ANYONE, UH, TO, UH, UH, TO SPEAK ON THIS.
DO WE, AARON, THE ONLY PERSON THAT MAY HAVE A DESIRE TO SPEAK IS MR. BODEN.
I KNOW HE SIGNED UP TO JOIN THE MEETING.
MR. BODEN, DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT AT ALL? HE INDICATED HE DIDN'T, UH, NON-VERBALLY.
OKAY, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE HIM, I CAN'T SEE HIM IN THE GALLERY.
WHY DON'T I TAKE DOWN THE, UH, SHARE.
I I DO HAVE ONE COMMENT TO MAKE, UH, JUST ON THE RECORD.
I NOT SURE IF MR. HANNEY SAID IT.
SO, UH, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THERE IS AN EXISTING HOUSE THERE, AND THE SUBDIVISION WOULD REQUIRE THE BUILDING OF A, A, UH, A PROPOSED HOUSE, CORRECT? THE EXISTING HOUSE WOULD REMAIN AS IS, UM, THE DR THE DRIVEWAY IN THE REAR WOULD BE REMOVED, UM, THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS, BUT THE HOUSE WOULD REMAIN.
SO IT WOULD ONLY BE ONE, THE ADDITION OF ONE HOUSE.
YOU, THE BOARD MAY RECALL THAT THERE WAS A QUESTION EARLY ON IN THE WORK SESSION A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO ABOUT, UM, SOME CONCRETE STRIPS THAT WERE POSSIBLY USED FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT OVERLAPPED INTO THE PROPOSED LOT, AND THE PLANS WERE UPDATED TO REFLECT THAT THAT WILL, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE REMOVED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROPOSAL.
WALTER, WALTER? YEAH, I I HAVE ONE QUESTION IN TERMS OF, UH, WHEN YOU'RE DOING THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION, BECAUSE THAT JUNIPER HILL ROAD IS, YOU KNOW, IS CURVY, AND THEN HOW WILL YOU MONITOR TRAFFIC COMING AROUND THAT CURVE AND THAT HILL WHEN YOU'RE IN CONSTRUCTION? OKAY.
ANYONE ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? UH, MR. HANNEY? SURE.
SO THAT GENERALLY IS HANDLED WITH
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THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AS FAR AS, UM, MEANS AND METHODS OF CONSTRUCTION.BUT GENERALLY, UM, ALL CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES WILL BE ON SITE.
THERE WON'T BE ANY PARKING IN THE, IN THE STREET, UM, OUTSIDE OF APPROVED PARKING AREAS.
SO THE CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE LIMITED TO WITHIN THE SITE.
UM, I I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, OKAY, IS THIS A PREFAB OR, OR, UM, A REGULAR CONSTRUCTION? BECAUSE IF IT'S REGULAR CONSTRUCTION, I CAN SEE HOW THAT COULD EASILY BE DONE.
IF IT'S A, IT'S A, A PREFAB, THEN YOU HAVE TO TAKE UP PRETTY MUCH THAT WHOLE ROAD WHEN YOU'RE SETTING IT ON ITS FOUNDATION.
SO HOW WOULD YOU HANDLE WHAT TYPE OF HOUSE IS YOU PLAN TO BUILD? THIS IS JUST SCHEMATIC FOR THE SUBDIVISION.
WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE MR. SNAGS MAY HAVE A QUESTION.
NO, I WAS GONNA MAKE, I WAS, MAKE THAT, GONNA MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION.
I THINK IT WAS JUST A SUBDIVISION APPLICATION AND THE CONSTRUCTION WOULD HAPPEN DOWN THE ROAD AFTER THE PROPERTY ITSELF, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SORRY I DIDN'T SEE YOU UP THERE.
NOW I WAS JUST GONNA INDICATE THAT, UM, AND STANDARD WITH PLANNING BOARD SUBDIVISION APPLICATIONS INVOLVING NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, WE WOULD WRITE UP ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD CONDITIONS, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT, UH, AND ITS, UM, CONSTRUCTION MANAGER PROVIDE TRAFFIC CONTROL PERSONS TO HANDLE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY ALONG JUNIPER HILL ROAD AND THE RELATED ROADWAY NETWORK.
SO THAT, UM, IF THERE'S BLOCKAGE OF THE ROADWAY FOR ANY PERIOD OF TIME THAT IT'S SAFE AND THAT, UH, IT'S CONTROLLED PROPERLY AND THAT IT WILL ALLOW FOR PASS THROUGH IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY.
SO THAT WOULD BE, THOSE ARE PRETTY MUCH STANDARD CONDITIONS THAT WE NOW PUT INTO THESE PROJECTS, UH, UNDER THE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY MANAGEMENT SECTION OF ANY DECISION.
UH, ANYONE ELSE WITH A QUESTION? UH, THANK YOU.
I GUESS, UH, AARON, WHAT WE WANT TO SET THIS UP FOR DECISION NEXT MEETING.
SO I THINK AT THIS TIME, UH, THE BOARD MAY WISH TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU LEAVE THE WRITTEN RECORD OPEN THROUGH JULY 27TH.
AND THAT WOULD PUT US ON, UH, SCHEDULE TO, FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER A DECISION AT.
ITS AT ITS AUGUST 3RD MEETING.
SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL JULY 27TH.
ANYONE OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTION? ALRIGHT.
THAT HAS, UH, BEEN APPROVED PASSED.
SO THAT WILL CLOSE, UH, THIS EVENING'S PUBLIC HEARING SESSION.
WE JUST WANNA HAVE A VOTE TO ACTUALLY CLOSE IT OUT FOR THE EVENING.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SECTION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING.
THANK YOU EVERYONE HAVE A GOOD EVENING.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO, UH, GOING BACK TO WORK SESSION.
AND WE'RE GONNA START WITH PROJECT PB 2123, WHICH IS, UH, WORTHINGTON ESTATES DI NAPOLI.
UH, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE OVERVIEW OF YES, WE HAVE YOU, UH, MR. ESCALADES TWICE TONIGHT.
THE LAST MEETING, AND I'M SORRY WE DIDN'T GET TO YOU.
UH, DO YOU WANT TO SET UP THIS ONE, AARON? SURE.
SO AGAIN, CASE NUMBER PB 2123 WORTHINGTON ESTATES, ALSO KNOWN AS THE DI NAPOLI SUBDIVISION AT 1490 AND 1952 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, PO.
WHITE PLAINS IN THE R 21 FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION PLANNING WITH STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATIONS INVOLVING THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION OF TWO EXISTING TAX LOTS INTO 13, BUILDING LOTS FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTING 13 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH RELATED IMPROVEMENTS.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES A NEW CURB CUT AND CUL-DE-SAC OFF OF WHITE HOUSE ROAD TO ACCESS EACH OF THE PROPOSED LOTS.
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THE APPLICANT PROPOSES APPROXIMATELY 33,810 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO REGULATED STEEP SLOPES, APPROXIMATELY 18,720 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO VERY STEEP SLOPES, AND APPROXIMATELY 11,810 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO EXCESSIVELY STEEP SLOPES AS DEFINED UNDER THE CODE, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE REMOVAL OF OVER 560 TREES REQUIRING A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.IT IS IN THE PROCESS OF PREPARING A LANDSCAPING PLAN AND WE'LL SUBMIT THAT TO THE TOWN ONCE COMPLETED.
UM, I WILL TURN THINGS OVER TO MR. ESCALADES AT THIS TIME.
I DID WANNA BRIEFLY MENTION THAT THERE WAS, AND I THINK MR. ESCALADES WILL GO INTO THIS IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.
THIS PROPERTY WAS THE SUBJECT OF A SUBDIVISION BACK ALMOST 30 YEARS AGO, AND IT WAS ACTUALLY PRELIMINARILY APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD, SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO THE LAYOUT WE SEE NOW.
UM, AT THAT TIME, I BELIEVE THERE WAS AN EXISTING RESIDENCE ON THE PROPERTY, SO IT WAS FOR 12 NEW HOMES, UH, FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT PRELIMINARY PLATT WAS NOT SIGNED OR SUBMITTED TO WESTCHESTER COUNTY FOR ENDORSEMENT AND IT THEREFORE EXPIRED, LAPSED, AND NOTHING WAS EVER BUILT.
THEY NEVER PROCEEDED INTO A FINAL SUBDIVISION.
SO I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO MS. ESCALADES.
I MAY, I JUST WANNA SAY A COUPLE THINGS.
FIRST, IT'LL ONLY TAKE A MOMENT.
UM, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS SEEN, UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT IN, I BELIEVE IT WAS A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE, AND IT WAS A WHILE AGO.
UM, WE HAVE ONLY A HANDFUL OF BOARD MEMBERS HERE, AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, UM, WHO HA WAS PRESENT FOR THAT EARLIER ROUND I B WALTER AND MONA.
I BELIEVE BOTH OF YOU WERE YEAH.
JOHANN, WERE YOU, UM, PART OF THAT? DID YOU SEE THIS PLAN BEFORE? I DON'T RECALL.
I DON'T THINK THIS SOUNDS FAMILIAR TO ME.
AND THEN LESLIE CERTAINLY HAS NOT.
SO, UH, I WANTED TO, UM, ESTABLISH THAT MR. ESTIS, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'LL NEED TO JUST GO INTO DETAIL FROM BEGINNING TO END, NOT ASSUMING THAT, UH, WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH IT.
UH, AARON, YOU, UM, YOU WILL BE GUIDING ME WITH THE DRAWINGS.
I HOPE YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE DRAWINGS.
HE'S MUTED THAT I CAN SEE HIS MOUTH SAYING YES.
I'M JUST, I KNOW HE'S MY RIGHT HAND.
THAT'S THE EXTENT OF MY LIP BREATHING.
UH, UH, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU'RE DOING QUITE FINE.
YOU OH, WELL, THANK YOU FOR TRYING TO BUTTER ME UP.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THE GRAPHICS ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S VERY DESCRIPTIVE, UH, AND VERY SIMPLE IN THE WAY THAT THIS SUBDIVISION WAS A APPROACHED THE LAND IN ONE OF THESE RARE CASES, UH, GEOMETRICALLY, UH, IT'S ALMOST A PERFECT FIT TO HAVING DESIGN OF A ROAD IN THE VERY CENTER AND, UH, YIELDING ENOUGH SUFFICIENT AREA ON EITHER SIDE SO THAT WE CAN MEET, UH, THE R 20 REQUIREMENT GEOMETRICALLY AND, UH, COVERAGE WISE FOR WHAT WE, UH, ARE ABLE TO PRODUCE AS A 13 LOT SUBDIVISION.
UM, SOME OF THE LOTS ARE BIGGER THAN 20,000.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, LOT NUMBER 11, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE BOTTOM, IT'S 32,000.
AND SOME OF THE SMALLEST ONES, UH, LIKE LOT NUMBER TWO WOULD BE, UH, 20,163.
SO SOME OF THEM ARE OVERSIZED.
SOME OF THEM ARE JUST ABOVE THE 20,000.
ON THE, UH, UPPER SIDE OF THE DRAWING, UM, IS THE, UH, HIGHEST POINT OF ELEVATION.
AND THE LAND DROPS GENTLY FROM THAT, UH, UPPER PORTION TO THE LOWER PORTION.
THE LOWER PORTION RUNS PARALLEL TO THE SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
AND IF ANYTHING THAT IS BAD ABOUT THIS SUBDIVISION IS THAT THERE WILL BE SOME NOISE IMPACT TO, UH, THE LOTS IN THE LOWER SIDE.
UH, BUT IN MY, UH, UH, OPINION, THAT IS THE ONLY BAD THING ABOUT THIS SUBDIVISION.
WE HAVE THE BLESSINGS OF, UH, UH, SANITARY SEWER AT THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY AT THE BOTTOM.
THIS IS NOT THE LOT, UH, THE DRAWING THAT HAS IT, BUT IT IS BETWEEN LOTS 11 AND 10, UH, AT THE SAWMILL, UM, EDGE OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THE SEWAGE WILL, OF COURSE, BE PICKED UP FROM EITHER DIRECTION FROM
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THE CUL-DE-SAC ON THE RIGHT AND FROM THE BEGINNING, UH, HIGH POINT ON THE LEFT, AND FLOW THROUGH AN EASEMENT, UM, THAT IS, UH, UH, BETWEEN LOTS 10 AND 11, UM, TO, UH, INTO THE SEWER, WHICH IS RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM.SO EVERYTHING IS A GRAVITY SYSTEM.
UM, IT'S UNUSUAL BECAUSE MOST OF THE LAND THAT'S LEFT, AND I'M SURE YOU, YOU BOARD MEMBERS HAVE SEEN IT, UH, UH, REQUIRES THAT LOW PRESSURE SEWERS BE DESIGNED AND AT THE SAME TIME MAINTAINED BY THE TOWN.
IT'S A, IT'S A PROBLEM THAT PUBLIC WORKS HAS INHERITED AND WILL INHERIT BECAUSE MOST OF THE LAND THAT'S LEFT IS THE LAND THAT HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO BE DEVELOPED IN AN EASIER, UH, ECONOMICAL GRAVITY WAY.
BUT THIS PARTICULAR ONE, WE'RE BLESSED WITH EVERYTHING BEING ABLE TO FLOW BY GRAVITY DOWN TO A LOW POINT WHERE THERE IS A SANITARY SEWER MANHOLE RECEIVING ALL, ALL OF THE NEW SEWAGE.
UM, SO THAT'S A, UH, A VERY, A VERY GOOD THING.
THE WATER, UH, HAS ALSO YIELDED GOOD RESULTS.
THERE IS A WATER LINE ON THE EXTREME LEFT SIDE OF WHITE HOUSE ROAD, AND WE ARE GOING TO BE PICKING UP AT THE INTERSECTION OF THE NEW ROAD AND WHITE HOUSE ROAD FROM A SIX INCH LINE.
AND WE'RE BRINGING IN ANOTHER SIX INCH LINE TOWARDS THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC.
AND THEN AT THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC, WE'RE COMING DOWN AND LOOPING IT DOWN TO, UH, A, UH, UM, A, A LINE, ANOTHER SIX OR EIGHT INCH LINE.
I DON'T REMEMBER HOW, WHAT DEC SIZE IS ALONG SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE LINE WILL BE IN CONSTANT FLOW.
THERE ARE NO DEAD ENDS, UM, UH, WHERE THE, WHERE THE WATER QUALITY COULD BE HAMPERED IN AND CREATE ISSUES.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS USUALLY THAT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT FORCES, UH, DEVELOPERS TO DO.
THEY DON'T WANT ANY STAGNATION OR ANY POINTS OF NON-MOVING WATER.
UH, WE HAVE DESIGNED TWO HYDRANTS TO SERVE THE, UM, 900 LINEAR FEET OF ROAD.
UM, SO WE FEEL THIS, IT'S A VERY SAFE, UM, UM, APPROACH.
UM, I'M SORRY, CAN I, CAN I INTERRUPT? IS THAT UH, STANDARD OR IS THAT, UH, NO, THAT'S OVER.
THAT'S WE'RE OVER WHAT WE NEED.
UH, UH, UH, WE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE QUITE SAFE WITH THAT.
UM, AND, AND THAT YES, IT IS, IT'S A, SO WE ALSO HAVE THAT SHADED AREA THAT YOU SEE THERE.
IT'S AN EMERGENCY ENTRANCE IN CASE IN THESE LONG, UH, UH, CUL-DE-SACS.
AND I WAS FOLLOWING THE, UH, UH, OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT AS A SUGGESTION TO INCLUDE AN ACCESS POINT INTO, UH, A DEEP PORTION OF THE CUL-DE-SAC OR THE ROAD IN CASE THERE IS SOME PHYSICAL BLOCKAGE OF, UH, THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
AND IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY IN THAT EVENT, THERE'S SECONDARY ACCESS.
UM, AND WHAT IS THAT GONNA CONSIST OF? IS THAT JUST AN UNDEVELOPED PORTION? IS IT GONNA HAVE PAVERS OR JUST GRASS, OR HOW IS THAT CONSTRUCTED? WE HAVEN'T DECIDED THAT THAT'S OPEN TO THE BOARD MEMBERS.
I NOW, UH, HAVE NOT REPRESENTED IT WITH ANY PAVERS.
I'VE SIMPLY MADE THE TOPOGRAPHY AVAILABLE SO THAT IT'S NOT IN EXCESS OF 15%, UH, OR I THINK IT'S 10% WHAT WE HAVE THERE.
SO IF, IF PAVING IS IMPORTANT, UH, AND IF WE NEED THAT TO BE DONE, WE OF COURSE ARE OPEN TO THAT SUGGESTION.
NORMALLY I ONLY ASK BECAUSE THE GRAPHIC THAT YOU USE TO SHADE IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE PAPER.
I YELLED AT THE DRAFTSMAN AS WELL.
BUT NO, IT'S JUST TO SHOW, TO SHOW THE FACT THAT THAT IS AN EARMARKED, UH, UH, UH, EASEMENT FOR, UH, FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES IN ALL THE OTHER SUBDIVISIONS THAT WE HAVE DONE.
ALTHOUGH A LITTLE BIT SHORTER THAN THIS, WE HAVE NOT BEEN ASKED TO PAVE IT.
BUT AS I SAID, IT'S UP TO THE BOARDS.
UH, UH, WE, WHAT WE WILL FOLLOW WHATEVER THE BOARD THINKS IS THE BEST APPROACH HERE.
UM, THE, THE HOUSES, AS YOU CAN SEE ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SCHEMATICS OF SHAPES THAT COULD, UH, DEVELOP.
UM, AND THE, THE, THE CHALLENGE, UH, IN THREE OR FOUR LOTS IS OF DESIGNING A PROPER HOUSE FOR THE, FOR THE CONTOURING THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY IN ORDER TO CREATE A STRUCTURAL BUILDABLE PLATFORM.
UH, THE LOTS AT THE BOTTOM ARE ALL QUITE EASY.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, ANY BUILDER COULD BUILD, UH, THE 3 0 4 ON THE TOP REQUIRES, UM, A, A GOOD ARCHITECT.
AND, UM, UM, A, A GOOD THINKING IN TERMS OF DRAINAGE IN TERMS OF DRIVEWAY SLOPES, ELEVATIONS OF GARAGES.
BUT THAT'S, AGAIN, THAT'S AN INDIVIDUAL, UH, CHALLENGE FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL.
IT'S NOT THAT IT'S AN IMPOSSIBLE LOT, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT, BUT FROM ALL THESE 13, THERE'S ONLY THREE LOTS THAT
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WOULD HAVE TO BE CAREFULLY DESIGNED FOR THE, UH, FOR THE LOCATION OF THE RETAINING WALLS, FOR DRAINAGE, FOR DRIVEWAYS AND SO ON.MAY I STOP YOU? JUST A MOMENT.
UH, DAVE, I SEE YOUR HANDS IS UP.
IS THIS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO, UH, CHIME IN? YES.
I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK TO THE, UH, EMERGENCY ACCESS.
MY SUGGESTION, UH, MR. ESTIS IS TO, UM, HAVE A DIALOGUE WITH, UM, OUR, OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES AND D P W, UM, TO SEE WHAT WOULD BE PREFERABLE FOR THEM.
IT'S JUST THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO ADD ANY, UH, ADDITIONAL IMPERMEABLE, BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN PAVE IT.
THEY MAY NOT SAYING THEY MAY, THEY MAY NOT WANT THAT.
THAT'S WHY WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T YOU INCLUDE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL? THAT'S WHY I SAID EMERGENCY SERVICES.
YEAH, WE, WE'LL ENGAGE IN THAT, THE CONVERSATION.
UM, THE, UH, THE DRIVEWAYS FOR THE MOST PART ARE SHORT.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD THING FOR DRAINAGE, FOR ACCESS, FOR MAINTENANCE, FOR SNOW REMOVAL, ALL OF THAT.
THERE IS A PORTION TO THE BOTTOM LEFT, WHICH IS AN EXISTING, UH, IT, IT BELONGED TO A CHURCH THAT WAS ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY MOVED TO ANOTHER LOCATION.
THERE USED TO BE A CHURCH THERE AND A CORRESPONDING CEMETERY, VERY SMALL CEMETERY THAT YIELDED, UH, THREE TOMBSTONES.
UH, THEY'RE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE.
AND THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND I, AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT VISITED, AND WE WERE ALL EXCITED TO SEE THAT THIS COULD BE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, AN ASSET CERTAINLY FOR THE, FOR, FOR THIS SUBDIVISION.
AND, UH, AS A PUBLIC, A PLACE TO VISIT, UH, BY THE NEIGHBORS.
IT'S, IT, IT HAPPENS TO HA BE IN THE CORNER, WHICH IS PERFECT FOR THE, UH, FOR THE VISUAL, UH, APPROACH, UH, FROM, FROM, UH, THE MAIN ROAD FROM SAWMILL RIVER.
AND IT KIND OF ADDRESSES THE ENTRANCE TO THE SUBDIVISION.
UH, THE TREES ARE YOUNGISH AND HEALTHY.
SO THAT WHOLE CORNER WILL BE MAINTAINED, UH, IN, IN GREAT UNTOUCHED, UH, UH, STATUS.
UM, THERE IS A CONVERSATION AS TO WHAT TYPE OF IMPROVEMENT THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY MIGHT WANT.
AND WE LEFT IT OPEN IF THEY, IF THEY REQUIRE, UH, SOME TYPE OF FENCING OR EVEN A, A SEAT, UM, UH, TO, TO CELEBRATE, UH, UH, THE AREA, THE, A APPLICANT IS WILLING TO WORK AND DESIGN A SMALL PARK, LIKE A SETTING A, A, A QUIET SPOT TO GO AND SIT AND READ A BOOK AND THAT TYPE OF THING.
IT'S REALLY QUITE NICE AND ELEVATED.
SO YOU FEEL FOR A MOMENT THERE THAT YOU'RE IN SOME, SOME YOU'RE IN SOME, SOME SPECIAL PLACE.
SO WE'RE VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THERE'S ANY, UM, UH, DEDICATED PARKING FOR THAT PARCEL.
SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO GO VISIT THERE AND SIT ON THAT BENCH, WHERE WOULD THEY PARK? GOOD POINT.
WE, WE, WE DIDN'T WANT TO INCLUDE IT YET.
WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY FEEDBACK FROM ANYBODY, BUT WE CERTAINLY, UH, THAT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL, TWO SPOTS THERE WOULD MAKE SENSE.
UM, UH, FOR THAT SAME REASON, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO COME AND VISIT VIA CAR, I, I KIND OF THINK IT'S MORE LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WALKABOUT TYPE OF THING.
I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA PULL VISITORS, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW.
IT'S A HISTORICAL TYPE OF PLACE.
AND SOMEONE DOING RESEARCH MIGHT WANT TO JUST DRIVE UP TO THE PLACE AND, AND, AND CHECK OUT THE, UH, UM, THE, THE, THE, UM, THE, THE MONUMENTS.
BUT YES, I, UH, AGAIN, UP TO THE BOARD, WHATEVER THE BOARD FEELS, UH, IS, IS, UH, AN ADEQUATE MOVEMENT THERE.
WE ARE CERTAINLY WELCOMING, UH, THE, UH, THE SUGGESTIONS.
UH, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO COVER ON YOUR PLAN OR, OR PLANS? I, I THINK, I THINK THAT'S IT.
IT'S, IT'S, I DON'T WANNA SAY AS OF RIGHT, BUT IT ALMOST TURNS OUT TO BE AS OF RIGHT BECAUSE WE HAVE MAXIMIZED, UH, THE USE OF THE LAND WITHOUT WASTING ANYTHING.
AND, AND WITHOUT MAKING EVERYTHING FIT TIGHTLY, WE HAVE A, A, A, A VERY COMFORTABLE SUBDIVISION IN, WITH RESPECT TO THE TREES.
LEMME JUST MENTION IT QUICKLY.
WE HIRED THESE, UH, AN AARON SUGGESTIONS AND SOMEONE, MY FRIEND SUGGESTIONS.
WE HIRED THESE THREE ACES FROM THE BRONX BOTANICAL GARDEN.
AND, UM, THEY DID A WONDERFUL JOB.
THEY WENT IN AND THEY LOCATED, UH, NOT LOCATED, WE HAD IT LOCATED ALREADY, BUT THEY IDENTIFIED EACH TREE AS PER SIZE, UH, UH, CONDITION, UH, AND SPECIES.
AND MUCH TO OUR SURPRISE, WE FOUND THAT A LOT OF THEM FROM 30 YEARS AGO HAVE DIED.
AND SO THEY'RE, THE 560 THAT AARON MENTIONED IS PROBABLY MORE LIKE 300 THAT WE WILL HAVE TO REMOVE.
AND WE ARE IN, BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A, A, A, A LARGE SUBDIVISION, I THINK IT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT THE TOWN, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WILL, WE, WE WERE, WE'RE TRYING TO DE DETERMINE WHETHER THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WE WILL PRODUCE, BUT IT WON'T BE EXACT BECAUSE EACH HOUSE WILL THEN BE DESIGNED AND TREATED DIFFERENTLY.
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SO WE WILL HAVE A GENERIC LANDSCAPING PLAN.BUT, UH, I THINK WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE, THE, THE, THE WAY THAT WE'RE GONNA HANDLE THE TREES IS PER LOT PER SUBMISSION TO THE TOWN.
YES, THERE IS A, THERE IS A LINE OF TREES THAT WILL BE ELIMINATED FOR THE INITIAL CONSTRUCTION THAT'S OBVIOUS, THE ROAD AND THE IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS, WE WILL, WE WILL ASSUME A CERTAIN TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
BUT I THINK, I THINK WHEN AARON AND I FINISHED, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA DEPEND ON THE FINAL SUBMISSION, UH, OR WHOMEVER DESIGNS THE HOUSE.
UH, A FINAL SUBMISSION AND A FINAL APPLICATION PER LOT BASIS TO REMOVE THE TREES THAT NEED TO BE REMOVED AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION AND TO DETERMINE THE, THE SIZE, THE SPECIES OF THE TREES.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
AARON, YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? YES.
UM, SO FEW THINGS I WANTED TO GO THROUGH.
AND I THINK FIRST BEING THAT, UM, I APOLOGIZE THAT I SAVED ALL THE DRAWINGS OVER ONTO MY THUMB DRIVE, BUT IT'S ONLY ALLOWING ME TO SHARE THIS ONE PLAN.
MR. ESTIS PREPARED VERY DETAILED PLANS ON TREE REMOVAL, ON DRAINAGE UTILITIES.
AND I, I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SHARED ALL OF THOSE WITH YOU THIS EVENING.
THE ONE THING THAT MR. ESCALADES DIDN'T, UM, I THINK GET INTO TOO, TOO MUCH DETAIL, BUT SOMETHING THAT CAME UP IN THE PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE RELATED TO DRAINAGE OF THIS SITE.
OBVIOUSLY TODAY IT'S ALMOST FULLY PERVIOUS AND THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF, UM, NEW IMPERVIOUS SURFACES WITH THE ROADWAY, WITH THE HOMES, DRIVEWAYS, ET CETERA.
I KNOW THERE WILL BE INDIVIDUAL ONSITE DRAINAGE SYSTEMS. I THINK MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE'D LIKE TO KNOW, UM, HOW THE ROADWAY WATER IS GONNA BE HANDLED.
UH, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE BOARD TO UNDERSTAND.
UH, AND THEN I'LL GET INTO MY OTHER QUESTIONS.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT AT THIS STAGE.
I, I WAS WONDERING WHY YOU WEREN'T, UH, SHIFTING FROM ONE PAGE TO THE OTHER.
OBVIOUSLY, I CAN'T SHOW YOU THIS IN DETAIL, BUT AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS DRAWING YOU HAVE, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO READ.
AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT, RIGHT BETWEEN LOTS 10 AND 11, THERE WILL BE A MASSIVE AREA DEDICATED TO UNDERGROUND CHAMBERS, WHICH WE, WE KNOW THEM AS CULT TEXTS.
THEY'RE ANOTHER, UH, LARGER, STRONGER SERIES OF, OF SIMILAR CHAMBERS THAT ARE DESIGNED TO HANDLE THE 25 YEAR STORM, UM, FOR ALL OF THE PUBLIC ROAD SPACES.
IN THE VERY FIRST SUBMISSION, WE HAD ALL OF THE WATER FROM ALL OF THE HOUSES, FROM ALL OF THE DRIVEWAYS GOING TO ONE CENTRAL SPACE.
UH, THE CHAIRMAN AT THE TIME, UH, QUESTIONED THE WISENESS OF THAT PARTICULAR APPROACH.
AND, UH, WE WENT BACK AND WE REDESIGNED IT SO THAT WE SEPARATE THE WATERS THAT ARE GENERATED BY EACH INDIVIDUAL HOME WILL SIT AND BE STORED.
AND, UH, IN EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT, ONLY THE ROAD WATER WILL GO TO THIS ONE, UH, LARGE DEPOSIT AREA.
AND OF COURSE, THE OVERFLOW FROM THAT, UH, UH, UH, WHICH IS A 25 YEAR STORM, WOULD BE ALLOWED TO FLOW ONTO THE STORM DRAIN THAT IS ALREADY IN EXISTENCE.
AGAIN, WE'RE BLESSED WITH ALL THESE IMPROVEMENTS AROUND US.
AND THE WATER WILL FLOW RIGHT INTO A STORM DRAIN THAT IS ON THE SAWMILL, WHICH FLOWS THROUGH A VERY LARGE CULVERT AND GOES TO THE STORM SYSTEM.
UH, WELL, WELL, WE TRUST THAT, UM, ENGINEERING WILL REVIEW IT YES.
AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA CAUSE FLOODING PROBLEMS ON SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
AND, OH, THERE YOU GO, MONA, I'M GONNA CALL ON YOU ON ONE SECOND.
UH, YOU, I THINK, HAVE HEARD FROM US IN THE EARLIER APPLICATIONS THAT EVEN THOUGH THE CODE IS 25 YEAR STORM, WE'RE ENCOURAGING ALL APPLICANTS TO MAKE THEIR SYSTEMS MORE ROBUST THAN THAT BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE 25 YEAR STORM HAPPENS EVERY WEEK.
NOW WE HAVE MORE, MUCH MORE VOLUME THAN 25.
UM, BECAUSE THERE IS A CEMETERY SO CLOSE TO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE, UM, BUILDING HERE, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THAT IF THEY FIND ANYTHING ELSE OF HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE WHILE THEY ARE, UM, DIGGING THAT THEY DO BRING IT, UM, TO THE ATTENTION OF THE HISTORICAL BOARD AND THAT THEY MARK WHAT'S GOING ON AS THEY ARE EXCAVATING, UM, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY HAVE THESE PROJECTS NEARBY, THAT SOMETIMES IT'S NOT ALWAYS A HUNDRED PERCENT CEMETERY.
I WOULD LIKE THEM TO KEEP THE HISTORICAL BOARD IN, YOU KNOW, UM, WE TALKED, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
AND, AND THAT WILL BE, I, I, I FOR THE MOST WILL BE THERE DURING THE EXCAVATION.
NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME, BUT WE DISCUSS THAT.
AND, AND WHOEVER THE THUG IS IN THE MACHINE IS GONNA BE ALERTED TO, TO THE FACT THAT WE WERE INTERESTED IN ANY OBJECT
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THAT COMES OUT.THERE WAS A CHURCH THERE AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WAS LOCATED.
AND THAT'S WHEN WE'RE IN THE SANITARY.
SOMETIMES IT'S NOT ALWAYS RIGHT WHERE THE CEMETERY IS.
AND I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE KEPT IN MIND AND THEM TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
I, WE WILL DEFINITELY LOOK FOR THAT.
THE NAMES ON THE, UH, ON THE, ON THE, UH, STONES I, I THINK ARE ALL RELATED.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THOSE THINGS.
MONA, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THAT, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A POINT OF THAT BEING PART OF THIS PROJECT.
UH, WALTER, UH, UH, THANK YOU.
UH, UM, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I SAID THANK YOU FOR PUTTING IN A, UH, STORAGE SYSTEM THAT EXCEEDS THE, THE CODE OF 25 YEARS.
COULD YOU GIVE US A, A ESTIMATION OF WHAT THAT NUMBER IS? WELL, IT, IT VERY SIMPLY STATED THE DESIGN THAT WAS ORIGINALLY MADE TO HANDLE ALL THE HOMES WAS LEFT INTACT.
SO THE VOLUME OF WATER THAT WILL FLOW INTO THAT, UH, ORIGINAL VOLUME REQUIRED FOR ALL THE HOMES ARE NOW BY DEFINITION.
UM, UM, WE REMOVED A FEW OF THEM, BUT THIS, I WOULD SAY IS ONE THIRD, 33% MORE THAN IT HAS TO, AND MAYBE EVEN MORE IF YOU
BUT IF YOU COULD QUANTIFY THAT AND SAY, BASED UPON THE CURRENT DESIGN, UH, WE THINK THAT IT COULD BE BE 30 YEARS OR WHATEVER THE, OR 50 OR WHATEVER.
OH, IN TERMS YEARS, YOU, I, I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY WE'RE DEALING WITH A 50 YEAR STORM VOLUME.
WELL, IF YOU COULD COME BACK AND QUANTIFY IT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UM, OF COURSE, I'LL HAVE THE NUMBERS FOR THAT.
AND THE HOMES, FOR THE HOMES AS WELL, I WOULD THINK.
WELL, THE HOMES WILL, YES, THE HOMES WILL BE DESIGNED AS WE BUILD THE HOMES, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE AND THE, AND THE, UH, PER IMPERMEABLE SURFACES THAT THEY ARE DESIGNING, THEN THAT DESIGN WILL CHANGE.
IT COULD END UP BEING EIGHT CULTECH, UH, AND ONE DRY WELL, OR SIX TEXS AND NO DRYWALLS.
IT ALL DEPENDS AS TO THE, THE, THE SPECIFIC PERK RATE.
OF THE SOIL AND THE AMOUNT OF, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE YOU'RE DOING.
SO, UM, THE OTHER THING IS, UH, WELL, I, I JUST WOULD ASSUME BECAUSE YOU POINTED OUT YOURSELF I, THAT, UM, UH, THOSE, UH, PROPOSED HOUSES ALONG SAWMILL RIVER ROAD WOULD BE NOISY.
SO I WOULD ASSUME WHEN THE, OR EITHER IN THE GENERIC LANDSCAPING PLAN OR THAT IT WOULD BE PROPOSED THAT YOU HAVE SOME, A LOT OF TREES ALONG THE SAWMILL RIVER ROAD TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE YOURSELF IDENTIFIED.
MY OTHER QUESTION IS A, A ROAD A THAT ROAD A, UM, UH, SIDEWALKS ALONG ALLS, UH, UH, SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, I KNOW AS CURRENTLY THAT WOULD BE A SIDEWALK QUOTE TO NOWHERE, BUT I WILL, UH, REMIND YOU 'CAUSE YOU'VE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME, THAT WHEN FRAN TON, UH, UH, UH, STARTED ADVOCATING SIDEWALKS 20, 25 YEARS AGO, UH, ALONG CENTRAL AVENUE, THAT WAS THE ARGUMENT THAT IS A SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE.
BUT OVER THE LAST 20, 25 YEARS, WE HAVE SIDEWALKS ALL ALONG CENTRAL AVENUE.
WE HAVE SIDEWALKS ALL ALONG ONE 19, AND THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO HAVE SIDEWALKS.
SO, AND I THINK THERE'S A BUS STOP ALONG THERE.
SO ALTHOUGH IT IS A SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE TODAY THAT IN PLANNING IN THE FUTURE, I THINK THAT WILL BE A IDEAL LOCATION TO PUT IN THE SIDEWALK.
SO I, I LIKE FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
THE OTHER THING, WALTER, UM, IF I COULD, AND I DON'T MEAN TO JUMP IN, BUT I JUST, I WAS, I WAS THINKING I WAS HOLDING BACK MY SIDEWALK COMMENT, BUT BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR FROM THAT, DO YOU MIND IF I, UH, INTERJECT WITH JUST SOME ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS ON SIDEWALKS? SURE.
YEAH, I SAW YOUR HAND, ERIC, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW HOW URGENT IT WAS.
BUT I JUST, I, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T WANNA STRAY FROM WALTER'S COMMENT BECAUSE IT WAS A GREAT COMMENT, BUT, UM, I JUST WANNA QUICKLY SHARE SCREEN AND, UM, ECHO THE SENTIMENT THERE.
I, I ACTUALLY, UM, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WALTER.
I HAD A DIFFERENT THOUGHT PROCESS WITH REGARD TO, UM, THE PLANNING FOR SIDEWALKS.
I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY NOTE THAT, UM, I'VE CRUDELY DRAWN, DRAWN IN RED HERE, WHERE, WHERE THE SITE IS.
AND, UM, WITH THE ELMWOOD COUNTRY CLUB DEVELOPMENT, WE, WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT THAT WILL DELIVER A SIDEWALK ALONG THE FRONT OF JOHN DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
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WORTHINGTON ROAD UP TO ABOUT WHERE YOU SEE MY CURSOR.UM, SO CERTAINLY WITHIN THE, THE TOWNS, UH, I'D SAY, YOU KNOW, UH, MID-RANGE PLANS WILL BE TO EXTEND THAT SIDEWALK UP WORTHINGTON TO A MINIMUM TO THIS POINT.
AND, YOU KNOW, UM, IDEALLY TO SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, I GUESS THE THOUGHT I HAD, UM, WAS THAT IF, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THESE BACKYARDS DUE INTO THE GRADES, UH, WILL ACTUALLY, UH, CONNECT TO SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
UH, MY THOUGHT WAS TO HAVE A SIDEWALK, UM, BUILT FROM BASICALLY THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE, AND IT'S ABOUT 600 LINEAR FEET TO THE CORNER OF WORTHINGTON.
UM, WHICH, UM, WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK ABOUT A FULL WORTHINGTON BUILD OUT, THAT WOULD BE A REALLY NICE CONNECTION.
'CAUSE NOW YOUR RESIDENTS, UM, ARE GETTING TO HERE, THEN THEY'RE ON WORTHINGTON, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY A CLEAR SHOT TO, UH, WEST DALE AVENUE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PLAN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS ANOTHER ARTERY TO, UM, DOBBS FERRY ROAD, WE WANNA GO THE OTHER DIRECTION.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST THINK THE SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT, UM, IT IN TOTALITY, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, THE NEED FOR SIDEWALKS ON SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, BUT I GUESS IN TERMS OF CONNECTIVITY, CONNECTIVITY, I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE, THE IMMINENT SIDEWALKS THAT WILL BE PUT INTO THE AREA AS WELL AS OTHER TOWN PLANNING.
UH, WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE TIMETABLE FOR PUTTING IN THOSE OTHER PLA? SO WHAT, UH, IF THERE IS A REASONABLE, UH, PROJECTION THAT THOSE OTHER SIDEWALKS WILL BE IN, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.
BUT IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THESE SIDEWALKS IN ON SAWMILL RIVER ROAD NOW, AND THE PROJECTION FOR PUTTING THAT THOSE OTHER ROADS IS SOMETHING SOMEWHERE IN THE FAR FUTURE, THEN I WOULD SAY PUT THE SIDEWALK.
SO IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT THE OVERALL PLANS ARE.
WHERE, WHERE THE TOWN SITS IN TERMS OF PUTTING THOSE OTHER ROLES.
WE CAN CHECK BACK ON, WE CAN CHECK BACK ON THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, ELMWOOD, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY DESIRES TO BUILD OUT IN LIKE A, A TWO TO FOUR YEAR PERIOD.
UM, AND THEN IF THIS WAS BUILT, I COULD SEE THIS GAP JUMPING UP IN PRIORITY, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
AND I UNDERSTAND WALTER'S COMMENTS THAT, UH, I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.
YEAH, I THINK, LET'S LEAVE IT THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING OR ENCOURAGING, UH, THE INSTALLATION OF SIDEWALKS IN SOME FORM.
THERE ARE, ARE TWO OPTIONS THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED THAT NEED TO BE EXPLORED.
EMILIO, I'M SORRY, MR. ESCALADES, YOU WANTED TO CHIME IN? I, I JUST WANNA SAY SOMETHING QUICKLY BECAUSE, UH, THE, THE, THE SPACE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE ROAD IN SO MILL IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR EVEN BUILDING THE SIDEWALK.
I THINK THAT THE PATH THAT WAS SUGGESTED BY, UH, BY GARRETT IS PROBABLY THE BEST BET IN TERMS OF WHO USES THE EDGES OF THE ROAD RIGHT NOW BE, AND IF YOU LOOK AGAIN, IF WE WALK, IF WE WERE WALKING NEXT TO THE SAW MILL, WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE IN DANGER.
AND IF SOMEONE PUTS THE PROPERTY LINE A FENCE, THERE IS MAYBE TWO FEET BETWEEN THE FENCE AND THE ACTUAL EDGE OF THE SAWMILL RIVER.
I'M JUST THROWING THAT IN THERE.
WHATEVER YOU GUYS DECIDE, WE WILL, WE WILL ASK TO BE DECIDED DOWN THE ROAD.
UH, AARON, YOU'VE HAD YOUR HAND UP.
WELL, I HAD FINISH, I HAD ONE MORE, I, ONE I JUST WANTED KNOW IF HE HAD TO CHIME IN ON ANYTHING BEFORE WALTER IS DONE.
AND THE LAST THING IS, ANY ELEMENTS OF, YOU KNOW, SUSTAINABILITY RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE CODES, UH, IN TERMS OF SU SUSTAINABILITY ELEMENTS IN, IN, UH, IN, IN, UH, IN DEVELOPMENT.
IN FACT, THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, UH, REQUESTED THE TOWN BOARD TO SET UP A, UH, A, UH, COMMITTEE TO LOOK INTO PROPOSING, UH, CODES, UH, THAT WE REQUIRE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SUSTAINABILITY ELEMENTS BUILT INTO THE PROPERTY.
SO MY QUESTION HERE IS, THERE'S NO CODE.
UH, WE CAN'T, UH, REQUIRE YOU TO DO IT, NOR CAN WE PREVENT APPROVAL OF YOUR APPLICATION IF YOU DON'T DO IT.
BUT I THINK IF YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU SHOULD CONSIDER IN YOUR DESIGN AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY WAY YOU COULD, UH, LOOK AT INCORPORATING SUSTAINABILITY ELEMENTS, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING THE, UH, THE RESCUE, UM, UH, TEAMS FEEL THAT, UH, PAVERS, PAVERS, POROUS PAVERS ARE, ARE ADEQUATE FOR THAT EMERGENCY ROAD.
I THINK YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE POROUS PAVERS AND OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, UH, FOR EMERGENCY ROAD.
I THINK THAT'S IN THE HOUSING,
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UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING, UH, UM, THE SENIOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT.I THINK THAT'S INCORPORATED IN THERE.
SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS BEING DONE.
THE OTHER THING WE LOOKED AT, UH, IN THE CUL-DE-SAC, I THINK IS WHAT THIS IS, IS THAT CUL-DE-SAC 96 FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WHAT IS DESIGNED WITH THAT IN THESE LARGE CUL-DE-SACS? YOU KNOW, UH, WE PUT SOME POROUS PAVERS IN, UH, MOUNTABLE POROUS PAVERS.
UH, SO THE EMERGENCY VEHICLE, THE FIVE TRUCKS COULD MAKE THAT TURN BECAUSE OF MOUNTABLE AND ADDS THE ELEMENT OF SUSTAINABILITY.
AND IN SOME, THEY PLANT THE TREE IN THE MIDDLE FOR, FOR AESTHETICS.
BUT I ASK THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE.
THANK YOU FOR CHANNELING COR
UM, AARON, I'M SORRY, WALTER, ARE YOU DONE? NO, I'M FINISHED.
SO A FEW THINGS AND, AND I WANTED TO THANK DAVID.
UM, SO I WAS QUICKLY ABLE TO PUT UP, UH, THAT PLAN.
BUT, UM, WITH RESPECT TO LANDSCAPING, WE HAVE IN OTHER PROJECTS, UH, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WITH MULTIPLE LOTS THAT ARE LIKELY TO BE DESIGNED IN A DIFFERENT MANNER, WE HAVE ACCEPTED, AND I'LL BE WORKING WITH MR. ESCALADES AND THE FORESTRY OFFICER TO COME UP WITH A TYPICAL LOT LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WHEN MULTIPLIED ACROSS THE ENTIRE LOT WOULD DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH THE TOWN TREE ORDINANCE.
THEN ONLY WHEN THEY WOULD BE PHASING THE TREE REMOVALS IN CONNECTION WITH DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROJECT.
SO WHEN, WHEN THEY SEEK TO BUILD OUT THE ROADWAY AND UTILITIES AND THE STORMWATER DRAINAGE, THEY WOULD COME IN FOR ONE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT AND THEY'D HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE AND SHOW THAT THERE'D BE COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE AT THAT STAGE.
THEN WHEN THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS COME IN FOR TREE REMOVAL AND TO, IN ORDER TO DEVELOP NEW HOMES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO INDIVIDUALLY SHOW THAT THEY CAN MEET THE TREE, TOWN TREE ORDINANCE WITH RESPECT TO REPLACEMENT.
SO THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT OUR OFFICE HAS HAD WITH MR. ESCALADES, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT AS THIS COMES BACK, UM, INTO THE, A SECONDARY WORK SESSION, AS WE IMAGINE, UM, SEPARATELY WITH RESPECT TO, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT AND HAVING DISCUSSIONS, WE HAVE SEEN IN OTHER PROJECTS WHERE THE GRASS CREEK TYPE PAVERS ARE UTILIZED, UM, AS MR. SIMON MENTIONED.
SO WE WILL ABSOLUTELY COORDINATE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE SATISFIED, THEIR OFFICE IS SATISFIED, AND OTHER EMERGENCY SERVICES ARE SATISFIED.
THAT WAS MY RECOMMENDATION TO MR. ESTIS.
AND MAYBE THAT'S WHY IT ENDED UP THAT WAY ON THE DRAWING, BUT IT NOT A FULLY PAVED SURFACE.
SO IT WOULD LOOK VERY GREEN FROM THE EYE, BUT HAVE THE STRENGTH TO SUPPORT YEAH.
A VEHICLE THAT NEEDS TO ACCESS THE SITE IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION.
UM, YEAH, ESPECIALLY GOING UPHILL.
WITH RESPECT TO THE CEMETERY SITE, I DID WANNA NOTE THAT, UH, AND REITERATE THE FACT THAT, UH, OUR HISTORIC BOARD DID MEET WITH MR. ESTIS, MYSELF AND A FEW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ON SITE, UH, PREVIOUSLY, PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR AGO, DISCUSSED THE SENSITIVITY OF THE OLD CEMETERY.
THERE ARE AT LEAST THREE HEADSTONES THAT WE SAW AS WELL AS A GRANITE CROSS ON THE SITE.
UM, THE HEADSTONES HAD TIPPED OVER.
WE HAD MADE CONTACT WITH SOMEONE THAT HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT CHURCH, WHICH WAS RELOCATED DOWN INTO YONKERS, WAS SINCE REMOVED AND REPLACED.
UH, SO WE DO HAVE A POINT OF CONTACT, WHICH IS HELPFUL.
AND, UH, I KNOW THE HISTORIC BOARD IS INTERESTED IN SOME FENCING TO DELINEATE THE PROPERTY LINE SHARED WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, DECORATIVE FENCING PERHAPS A, A, A LATCH WITH A, A LOCK AND GATE IN THERE.
AND MR. ESCALADES AND HIS TEAM HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, OPEN AND RECEPTIVE.
SO WE WANT TO CONTINUE THOSE DISCUSSIONS AS THIS PROJECT ADVANCES.
UH, ONE THING THAT WASN'T DISCUSSED, BUT UM, I WANTED TO BRING UP WAS IF YOU KNEW IF THERE WAS ANY ROCK ON THE SITE THAT WOULD WARRANT EITHER ROCK CHIPPING OR BLASTING, YOU HAVE THE SENSITIVE, YOU KNOW, CEMETERY SITE NEXT DOOR, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE ANYTHING DAMAGED.
UM, DO YOU KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA BE PLAY INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, PARTICULARLY ON THE UPHILL SIDE AND, AND NEAREST TO THE, THE CEMETERY PROPERTY? WELL, WE, WE HAVE WHAT WE HAVE DONE THERE, THIS WAS YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS GONNA DESIGN AND BUILD A CHURCH THERE.
WE DID A HOLE THAT WAS AT LEAST 20 FEET DEEP IN THE VERY MIDDLE OF THAT PROPERTY.
BUT IF, IF YOU NEED MORE VERIFICATION
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TO, TO THAT QUESTION, I NEED TO BRING A MACHINE IN THERE AND, AND POKE HOLES IN A FEW SPOTS SO THAT WE CAN GET A, A GOOD, UH, ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.I, I THINK WE, THAT'S A GOOD THING TO DO.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT ALWAYS, EVERYTHING COSTS MONEY.
BUT IF YOU DECIDE, DECIDE THAT YOU NEED THAT INFORMATION, WE WILL DO.
AND WE HAVE DONE THAT ON OTHER PROJECTS, AND THAT MAY MAKE SENSE.
SO WE'LL COORDINATE WITH YOU ON THAT AND HAVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UH, THE OTHER ITEM THAT CAME UP, UM, BASED ON STAFF COMMENTS, AND EVEN OUT AT THAT SITE VISIT WE HAD WITH A FEW FOLKS, UH, FROM THE HISTORIC BOARD, WAS THE LINING UP OF YOUR PROPOSED CUL-DE-SAC ROADWAY.
IT HAD BEEN SUGGESTED BY OUR TRAFFIC AND SAFETY DIVISION OF THE GREENBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT THE ROAD BE LINED UP SO THAT IT'S, UM, COMPLETELY OPPOSITE OF, I BELIEVE THAT'S BUILT THEM ROAD, WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET.
I CAN SHOW THE PLAN IF YOU LIKE.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OFFSET, AND I KNOW THERE ARE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION AMONGST PROFESSIONALS, BUT WE DID WANNA RELAY THE COMMENT FROM OUR TRAFFIC AND SAFETY DIVISION SO THAT THE BOARD'S AWARE SO THAT YOU'RE REMINDED OF IT, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AND PERHAPS AN ALTERNATE DRAWING PROVIDED TO SHOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE SUBDIVISION MIGHT LOOK LIKE IF IT WAS LINED UP, UH, IMMEDIATELY ACROSS.
I, THAT'S EASY TO DO, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD, WOULD MAKE ONE COMMENT, AND, AND I'M ONLY FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, I ALMOST GOT KILLED ONCE, AND IT WAS IN WHITE PLAINS.
THE, THE TWO ROADS THAT WERE CROSSING A MAIN STREET, UH, UM, WERE LINING UP PERFECTLY.
IT WAS LATE IN THE EVENING, THERE WERE NO LIGHTS ANYWHERE.
AND I SAW THE ROAD AHEAD OF ME AS A CONTINUUM OF THE ROAD WHERE I WAS AT, NOT KNOWING THAT I WAS GOING THROUGH A MAJOR ARTERY.
AND, UH, BECAUSE OF THAT ALIGNMENT, I WAS FOOLED INTO CONTINUING FORWARD.
AND I NEVER FORGOT THAT I ALMOST GOT KILLED.
I HIT, GOT HIT BY A, A TRUCK AND ONLY GOD AND MY PRAISE SAVED ME.
I BOUNCED TO THE BACK OF THE CAR AND SURVIVE WITHOUT A SCRATCH.
BUT IT, IT WAS BECAUSE, AND I WENT BACK, I SAID, WHY DID I THINK, AND IT WAS THE PERFECT ALIGNMENT OF THE TWO OPPOSITE CUL-DE-SACS.
AND I SAID TO MYSELF, NEVER WOULD I EVER ALLOW MYSELF TO DESIGN EVEN TWO DRIVEWAYS.
I ALWAYS OFFSET THE DRIVEWAYS.
THAT'S JUST A PERSONAL, UH, OBSERVATION.
YOU, YOU GUYS DECIDE WHATEVER YOU DO, BUT FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, I WOULD NEVER DO THAT.
SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS SET UP A MEETING WITH, UH, SERGEANT REON AND OTHERS FROM THE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY DIVISION, JUST TO HAVE FURTHER THE CONVERSATION AND, AND GET OUR HEADS TOGETHER ON THAT.
UM, THE OTHER ITEM, I, A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION WAS THE PLAN SHOW A CHAIN LINK FENCE AROUND THE, THE CEMETERY PROPERTY.
I KNOW THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING YOU PUT UP, BUT, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE HAD TALKED ABOUT A DECORATIVE, THE POTENTIAL FOR A DECORATIVE FENCING AND OTHER PROTECTION MEASURES TO ENSURE THAT THE CEMETERY PROPERTY IS, IS, IS PROVIDED EVERY OUNCE OF PROTECTION DURING THE COURSE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S REQUIRED.
ONE THING THAT, UM, I DISCUSSED WITH VICE CHAIRPERSON HAY AND, AND BOARD MEMBER SIMON ON OUR PREP MEETING IS GOING THE DIRECTION OF, IN ADDITION TO SILT FENCING, ALSO REQUIRING HAY BILLS FOR SUPPORT DURING, YOU KNOW, LARGE RAIN EVENTS WHERE THE POTENTIAL FOR, UH, SEDIMENT AND EROSION IS, UH, AT A GREATER LEVEL WHEN CONSTRUCTION'S ONGOING.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER.
AS PART OF SEDIMENT AND EROSION CONTROL PLANTS.
THAT'S BASED ON RECENT EXPERIENCE WHERE YOU SAID SILT FENCES HAVE BEEN BLOWING OUT IN THESE BIG STORM EVENTS.
ALL THE OLD, THE HAY BALE THING WORKS BEAUTIFULLY AND IT, IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED.
AARON, ANYTHING ELSE? AND I SEE WALTER, UM, I THINK THAT'S IT FOR NOW.
I, I JUST WANTED TO STATE FOR THE BOARD THAT, UM, WELL, I CAN WAIT UNTIL MR. SIMON'S DONE AND THE, AND THE DISCUSSION IS WALTER, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I JUST WANNA SEE, UM, SINCE YOU HAVE SPOKEN, UM, JOHANN, LESLIE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO ASK AT THIS POINT, OR MONA, THANK YOU FOR ASKING.
WALTER, I GUESS YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
UH, JUST SPEAKING TO THE ISSUE OF THE INTERSECTIONS AND, UH, A VERY VALID POINT THAT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT NOT KNOWING A, UH, ANOTHER ROAD WAS THERE, WOULD IT HELP IF WE JUST PUT STOP SIGNS SO WE FORCED, UH, INDIVIDUALS TO STOP AND SO YOU COULD STILL HAVE THAT, UH, UH, UH, ROADS LINE UP AND ADDRESS THE, THE SAFETY CONCERN OF SOMEONE NOT REALIZING THE MAYBE ROSE.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK INTO.
I WOULD EXPECT THERE WOULD BE ONE THERE.
ANYWAY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE, THE STANDARDS ARE ON THAT, BUT YEAH.
UM, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS AND ALL THE REST HAVE ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT UP.
UM, I DON'T REMEMBER IF, IF IT WAS STATED IF THIS IS GONNA BE A PRIVATE ROAD OR
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A TOWN OWNED ROAD, IT'S GONNA BE DEDICATED, SO IT'S GONNA MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF YES.THE, THE TOWN ROAD AND BE MAINTAINED BY THE TOWN GOING FORWARD.
AND IT DOES SOUND LIKE, I MEAN, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS I THINK YOU ANSWERED, IT'S, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S NOT A DEVELOPER THAT'S GONNA COME IN AND DO THIS ALL AT ONCE, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE LOTS THAT ARE SOLD INDIVIDUALS FOR, UH, WITH THEIR OWN ARCHITECTS.
SO WHAT WOULD YOU PROJECT, AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T GIVE A CLEAR ANSWER AS TO HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO BUILD THIS OUT.
WORST CASE SCENARIO, TWO TO THREE YEARS.
THE BEST CASE SCENARIO, IF THE MARKET COMES BACK TO WHAT IT WAS A YEAR AGO, IT'LL BE DONE.
IT COULD BE DONE IN, IN A YEAR AND A HALF BECAUSE THE, THE HOUSES WOULD BE SOLD QUICKLY AND DIFFERENT BUILDERS WOULD COME IN AND FINISH THE OKAY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN FIVE YEARS CERTAINLY IS SOMETHING I WOULD HOPE SO.
UM, UNLESS ANYONE HAS ANYTHING ELSE I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST, UM, ONE SECOND, AARON.
THAT WE DO A, A SITE VISIT OR SMALL GROUP SITE VISITS, IN SITE VISITS IN SOME FORM TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE IT IS LARGE, IT'S A LOT OF HOMES, IT'S ON A SLOPE.
UH, WE COULD SEE THE CEMETERY.
UH, ANY OBJECTION TO THAT? I THINK AARON, I THINK I WAS JUST GONNA ADD THAT I THINK IT, IT COULD BE BENEFICIAL TO BOARD MEMBERS AND OUR LOCAL CIVIC GROUPS AND RESIDENTS THAT, UM, IF THE BOARD WANTED TO CONSIDER A PUBLICLY NOTICED SITE VISIT, WE CAN GET EVERYONE OUT THERE AT ONCE.
I CAN LOOK TO SEE, UH, IF WE CAN EVEN GET OTHER STAFF SUCH AS, UH, TRAFFIC AND SAFETY TO MEET US OUT THERE.
YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE A CONSIDERATION OF THE BOARD.
IF NOT, I'M HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, SMALL GROUP SITE VISITS EITHER WAY.
CAN WE HAVE IT STAKED OUT SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHERE THE DIFFERENT LOT LINES ARE? WE'VE HAD OH, DEFINITELY STAKED OUT AND, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WITH DIFFERENT OTHER PROJECTS AND THAT MAKES IT SO MUCH EASIER.
SO WE WOULD ASK THEM TO STAKE OUT THE CENTER LINE OF THE ROADWAY, UM, AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS SO THAT THE BOARD AND THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THINGS LIE.
UM, I THINK, UH, A NOTICED GROUP SITE VISIT PROBABLY WOULD BE THE MOST EFFICIENT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE INPUT OR NOT INPUT, BUT ATTENDANCE, UH, FROM ANYONE, NEIGHBORS, SOMEONE JUST LIKE REEN NOW.
HER ASSOCIATION, I MOST CERTAINLY WOULD.
NOW, MR. ESCAL AND, AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THAT, THAT MAY NOT RECALL, THESE ARE TYPICALLY HELD ON SATURDAY MORNINGS, SO I'LL LOOK TO COORDINATE, UH, TYPICALLY AT 10:00 AM SO MR. ESCALADES BOARD MEMBERS, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE THE FULL MEMBERSHIP, UH, IN ATTENDANCE THIS EVENING, BUT I CAN CIRCULATE AN EMAIL, WE CAN LOOK TO SCHEDULE A DATE, WE'LL OF COURSE, UM, INVITE EVERYONE AND, AND THEN NOTICE IT APPROPRIATELY.
MY LAST COMMENT RELATED TO THE ROADWAY, AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP, MR. HAY, WAS, UM, YOU HAVE THE DRAINAGE FOR THE ROADWAY AT THE REAR OF LOT 11, AND YOU'RE GONNA WANT TO COORDINATE WITH D P W AND ENGINEERING TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S AN APPROPRIATE EASEMENT AND ACCESS.
IF THE ROAD WAS OFFERED FOR DEDICATION AND ACCEPTED BY THE TOWN, THAT THERE WOULD BE, UH, APPROPRIATE ACCESS FOR FUTURE MAINTENANCE.
THERE IS A BIG EASEMENT FROM SO MILLS TO ENTRY FROM SO MILL.
SO I JUST WANNA CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, THE APPROPRIATE PERSONNEL AT SURE.
UH, SO MOVING FORWARD, UM, I TRIED TO CAPTURE THE DISCUSSION POINTS AND IF I MISS ANY PEOPLE, JUST CHIME IN AGAIN.
UH, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CHECKING WITH THE APPROPRIATE, UM, AGENCIES ABOUT THE COMPOSITION OF THE ACCESS ROAD, UM, ABOUT, UM, MAKING SURE THAT ANYTHING DISCOVERED DURING THE EXCAVATION THAT COULD BE OF HISTORICAL IMPACT IS BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE HISTORICAL AUTHORITIES, UM, CONSIDERING LANDSCAPING ALONG SAWMILL RIVER ROAD AS PART OF THE LANDSCAPING PLAN FOR SCREENING AND NOISE REDUCTION.
UH, CONSIDERING VOLUNTARY MEASURES TO INCLUDE SUSTAINABLE ENERGY, UM, AND EXPLORING WHETHER THERE'S ROCK THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE BLASTED, ESPECIALLY IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE, UH, OR IN PROXIMITY TO THE, THE CEMETERY.
ALONG WITH, YOU KNOW, THE NORMAL QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, QUANTIFYING THE, THE DRAINAGE, UH, THAT WAS THE OTHER ONE, YOU KNOW, ESTIMATE THE YEAR STORM YOU THINK THE DRAINAGE IS GOING TO HANDLE.
UH, WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT SPECIFICALLY WANTED TO CALL? YES, WALTER? I PROBABLY MISSED SOMETHING TO EVALUATE WHAT, WHAT IS THE OPTIMUM PLACE FOR SIDEWALK? YEAH, VERY GOOD.
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UM, AARON, DO WE NEED THAT STUFF IN PLACE BEFORE A SITE VISIT, OR WHAT IS OUR TIMING MOVING FORWARD ON THIS, WOULD YOU SAY? I WOULD SAY THAT WE WOULD NOT NEED ALL THAT IN PLACE IN ORDER TO CARRY OUT, UM, THE SITE VISIT.I THINK, YOU KNOW, MR. ESCALADES HAS HIS PLAN AS DESIGNED.
OBVIOUSLY WE'VE ASKED FOR AN ALTERNATE THAT PERHAPS, UM, AND WE CAN HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH, WITH APPROPRIATE STAFF TO SEE IF YOU CAN DO A SKETCHUP OF, YOU KNOW, THE CUL-DE-SAC BEING SHIFTED SO THAT IT'S ACROSS THE WAY FROM BUILT HAM.
BUT, UH, IF, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT WOULD TAKE YOU TO HAVE THE CENTER LINE OF THE ROADWAY? I GUESS THE CENTER POINT OF EACH OF THE LOTS AND MAYBE WHERE THE DRIVEWAYS WERE PROPOSED.
I KNOW THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY SUBJECT TO SOME MODIFICATION DOWN THE ROAD, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD GIVE THE BOARD AN, UH, YOU KNOW, A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAYOUT AS PROPOSED AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
AND BECAUSE THE SURVEYORS ARE SO, SO BUSY AND MADU ATE, WHO'S THE SURVEYOR FOR THIS ONE? HIS MOTHER JUST DIED IN, IN, UH, IN HIS COUNTRY.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S HEADING BACK, UH, 'CAUSE HE'S THE HEAD OF THE FAMILY NOW, SO HE HAS TO APPOINT ALL THE PROPERTIES TO THE BROTHERS, THE COUSINS.
AND, UM, AND SO I, I HAVE TO TALK TO HIM AND THEN I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION 'CAUSE HE IS THE, HE'S THE MAN IN CHARGE.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU NEED.
YEAH, I THINK WE NEED THAT ANSWER BEFORE WE CAN PLAN A DATE.
SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THE LINES OF COMMUNICATION AND, UH, I'LL ALERT THE BOARD WHEN YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON IT.
NOW MOVING ON FROM MR. ESCALADES TO MR. ESCALADES.
WE HAVE, UH, PB 2205 CCO ROAD SUBDIVISION THAT I WILL NOT STEAL YOUR THUNDER ON THIS TIME.
SO AS VICE CHAIR, HEY, MENTIONED PB 22 DASH ZERO FIVE SEEKER WOODS SUBDIVISION, UH, FOR PROPERTIES LOCATED OFF OF SEACO ROAD PO HARTSDALE AND THE R 7.51 FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPLICATION INVOLVING THE PROPOSED RE SUBDIVISION OF FOUR EXISTING LOTS INTO FOUR BUILDING LOTS AND ONE LOT FOR A PROPOSED ROADWAY BUILT TO TOWN STANDARDS.
ONE OF THE EXISTING LOTS CURRENTLY IS OCCUPIED BY A COMMERCIAL BUILDING PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED.
THE REMAINING THREE LOTS ARE VACANT.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE CONSTRUCTION OF FOUR NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH RELATED IMPROVEMENTS ON THE, ON THE SITE.
NO DISTURBANCE TO REGULATED STEEP SLOPES, WETLAND WATER COURSES OR REGULATED BUFFER AREAS IS PROPOSED.
THE APPLICANT DOES PROPOSE THE REMOVAL OF APPROXIMATELY 30 REGULATED TREES REQUIRING A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT AND IS IN THE PROCESS OF PREPARING A DETAILED LANDSCAPE PLAN TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TOWN TREE ORDINANCE.
THE BUILDING INSPECTOR IS DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT AS PROPOSED REQUIRES ONE AREA OF VARIANCE FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS RELATED TO SITUATING THE DRIVEWAY TO LOT ONE IN THE SIDE YARD SETBACK.
AND I'LL LET MR. ESCALADES EXPLAIN THE REASONS FOR THAT.
UM, BEFORE I TURN THINGS OVER TO MR. ESCALADES, FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT, SINCE AN AREA OF VARIANCE IS REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE SUBDIVISION, FOLLOWING THE BOARD'S DISCUSSION THIS EVENING, IT SHOULD CONSIDER WHETHER IT WISHES TO DECLARE ITS INTENT TO SERVE AS LEAD AGENCY FOR PURPOSES OF A COORDINATED SEEKER REVIEW WITH THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
IF IT DOES DECLARE LEAD AGENCY INTENT, OUR OFFICE WILL CIRCULATE SUCH INTENT TO INVOLVED IN INTERESTED AGENCIES.
WE WOULD THEN WAIT FOR RESPONSES AND HOLD A FOLLOW-UP WORK SESSION WHERE THE PLANNING BOARD COULD CONSIDER A SECRET DETERMINATION AS WELL AS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
I'LL NOW TURN THINGS OVER TO MR. ESCALADES FOR A DETAILED OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT.
I DO HAVE THE PLANS AVAILABLE.
GOD, GOD BLESS TO HAVE YOU HERE.
ALRIGHT, GENTLEMEN AND LADIES, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION IS A PROPERTY THAT WAS, UH, UNBEKNOWNST TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, UM, SUBDIVIDED IN THE 1970S.
AND THE BUILDING THAT IS THERE NOW IS, EVERYBODY REMEMBERS IT.
THIS IS THE FLOWER SHOP NEXT TO THE CEMETERY, AND WHICH IS HIGHLY PAVED.
WHEN YOU GET TO THE, TO THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION RIGHT NOW, YOU'LL SEE THIS RED BARN COLOR LOOKING STRUCTURE, UM, AND SIDE TO SIDE PAVEMENT, UH, WITH BASICALLY NOT EVEN
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A CURB CUT DEFINITION.UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROPOSED ONE.
THAT'S NOT, UH, WHAT YOU WOULD SEE.
NOW, THE, THE OLD SUBDIVISION IS, UM, SIMILAR TO THAT, BUT, UH, WITH A BIG BLOB OF GRAVEL AND I MEAN OF PAVEMENT IN FRONT, THE, THE, THE NEW SUBDIVISION RESHAPES AND REORGANIZES, THE GEOMETRY OF THE ORIGINALLY, UH, THERE IT IS.
THIS IS THE ORIGINALLY APPROVED SUBDIVISION.
THIS IS FILED WITH THE COUNTY OF WESTCHESTER.
WE COULD TECHNICALLY, UH, FI SUBMIT A BUILDING PERMIT AND, UH, AFTER APPROVALS AND AFTER STAFF REVIEW, WE TECHNICALLY SHOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, UH, UH, CARRY ON AND BUILD THIS.
SO, UM, BUT BECAUSE OF THE, UM, NATURE OF THE OLD SUBDIVISION AND THE IMPROPER GEOMETRY FOR VEHICLES OF E EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND THE SUCH, UM, WE DECIDED, UH, THE, THE CLIENTS WERE CONVINCED BY, BY STAFF AND BY MYSELF TO REAPPLY, UH, WITHOUT LOSING THE BENEFITS OF AN EXISTING SUBDIVISION MENU.
WE ARE DOING THIS BECAUSE WE FEEL THAT EVERYONE WILL UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH BETTER THE A THE OUTCOME IS TO REAL REARRANGE THE PROPERTY LINES THE WAY THAT THE TOWN HAD BEEN SUGGESTING IT TO US.
AND AFTER REVIEWING IT OURSELVES WITH THE CLIENT, WE, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT IT TRULY WAS A BETTER LAYOUT IN NOT ONLY FOR THE TOWN, BUT FOR US IN TERMS OF SPENDING LESS MONEY IN THE, UH, UH, UH, SEWER, THE WATER LINES, EVERYTHING.
AND EVERYTHING WAS ALSO GOING TO BE WITHOUT THIS, THIS, UH, UH, UH, INCREDIBLE MISHMASH OF, OF UTILITY SERVICE.
UH, LINES GOING IN EVERY OLD EV EVERY DIRECTION.
UM, AND, AND CREATING A PROBLEM OF OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE AND SO ON.
SO, LOGIC, LOGIC ONE, AND WE ARE IN FRONT OF YOU WITH A NEW PROPOSAL OF FOUR.
WE ARE EVEN ENDING UP WITH FOUR SMALLER HOMES BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE LOT.
WE LOSE A LOT OF AREA TO THE EASEMENT OR THE 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY OF THE ROAD.
THE ROAD WILL NOT BE DEDICATED, BY THE WAY, THIS WILL BE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, BUT WE ARE BUILDING IT TO THE STANDARDS OF THE TOWN, STANDARDS OF 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, AND, UH, 26 FOOT, UH, DRIVEWAY WIDTH.
SO THE STANDARDS ARE THE SAME.
HOWEVER, THE OWNERS OF THESE HOMES WILL BE IN CHARGE OF THEIR OWN MAINTENANCE AND, AND SO ON.
UM, THE HOMES, UH, AS I SAID BEFORE, ARE A LITTLE SMALLER BECAUSE THE LOTS ARE SMALLER.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, MAYBE A 27, 2800 MAXIMUM SIZE OF HOUSE THAT CAN BE BUILT, WHICH IS APPROPRIATE IN SCALE FOR WHAT IS IN THE AREA.
WE ALREADY BUILT A HOUSE, WHICH KIND OF TELLS THE VIEWER WHAT THE PURPOSE, THE GEOMETRY, THE ARCHITECTURE, AND THE STYLE.
UM, UM, OF THE, OF THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE DONE IS THERE IS REALLY A DEMONSTRATION AT THE CORNER OF IVY AND, UH, AND, AND C CORP.
WE, WE BUILT THAT HOUSE 'CAUSE THAT LOT WAS SEPARATE FROM THE SUBDIVISION.
SO IF THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WANT HERE TO GO, THEY'LL SEE THE QUALITY AND THE NATURE AND THE ARCHITECTURE THAT'S BEING PLANNED FOR THESE FOUR LOTS.
UH, IT CREATES A MUCH MORE, UH, UH, A SAFER ENVIRONMENT FOR ENTRY OF VEHICLES THAT, UH, THAT LT ARRANGEMENT AT THE BACK IS THE REASON WHY WE NEED A VARIANCE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE CORNER OF THE CURVE, UM, THAT THAT CORNER IS WITHIN THE 12 FOOT EASEMENT THAT IS REQUIRED TO BE HONORED BY ANY PAVED SURFACE.
SO THE FACT THAT WE ARE, UH, UH, IMPOSING THIS UPON OURSELVES IN ORDER TO GET, UH, THE, THE BIGGEST BENEFIT FOR SAFETY, UH, TURNAROUND IS ACTUALLY PUTTING US IN A POSITION WHERE WE NEED TO GO TO A PUBLIC HEARING AND ASK FOR PERMISSION TO DO THIS.
UM, I THINK, I THINK THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS WILL UNDERSTAND THIS RATHER QUICKLY AND WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, WE WILL HAVE THE BENEFIT OF A POSITIVE OUTCOME.
UM, BUT OF COURSE, WE'RE RISKING, UH, A PUBLIC HEARING, ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING AND, AND, AND COMMENTS THAT MAY NOT BE, UH, I DON'T KNOW, UH, APPEALING TO US.
HOWEVER, THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT.
STAFF HAS LED THE WAY IN HELPING US, UH, UH, DEFINE THE FRONTAGES, THE PROPER, UH, UH, UH, PROCESS TO, UH, TO EXECUTE THE SAME SUBDIVISION, BUT IN A BETTER, IN A BETTER WAY.
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I THINK WE HAVE GONE THROUGH STAFF REVIEW FOR ENGINEERING.UH, THE RE WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS.
THIS, THIS HASN'T BEEN, UH, UH, HASTENED IN ANY WAY.
AND, UM, AS FAR AS I KNOW, I, I THINK WE HIT ALL, ALL THE CORNERS EXCEPT THIS VARIOUS, WE, WE ARE, AS OF RIGHT, WE HAVE HANDLED THE WATER CORRECTLY.
WE HAVE HANDLED THE ROAD GEOMETRY CORRECTLY, AND THE TREES, UH, WE HAVE TO CUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF TREES WITH THE OTHER SUBDIVISION AS WITH THIS ONE.
UH, BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE OLDER AND SICKLY, I THINK THE, THE, THE BENEFIT WILL BE IN THAT WE'LL HAVE YOUNGER, HEALTHIER TREES TO TAKE OVER THE AREA AND, AND, AND, AND GIVE US THE BENEFITS OF, OF, OF, UH, OF, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY.
YOU, YOU MADE IT SOUND LIKE IT'S THE SAME NUMBER OF TREES, BUT IT'S A VASTLY DIFFERENT NUMBER.
THIS IS, I THINK YOU HAVE 30 REGULATED TREES HERE.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE MY MEMORY IS, IS FAILING ME, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS BECAUSE I WAS HOPING THAT THE FLIP WOULD BE BETTER AND IT TURNED OUT A LITTLE BIT WORSE.
UH, THE, THE SHIFTING OF THE ROAD TO THE, TO THE RIGHT SIDE, UH, AND MOST OF THE, BUT, BUT YES, MAYBE THERE ARE NO, I'M SORRY, YOU'RE COMPARING IT TO THE PREVIOUS SUBDIVISION.
I DIDN'T HAVE THAT NUMBER IN MIND.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE COMPARING IT TO YOUR PREVIOUS APPLICATION, WHICH WAS 561 OH OH, NO, YEAH.
IT'S A, IT'S A FLIP FLOP, UH, WITHIN THE SAME SITE, BUT IT DOES, IT DOES CUT A FEW MORE.
UH, BUT NOT THAT, NOT, IT'S NOT THAT DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT, BUT THE WHAT THE, WHAT WE GAIN IN TERMS OF ACCESS AND, AND ROAD GEOMETRY AND PRIVACY OF ROAD AND EASE OF CONSTRUCTION OF UTILITIES AND MAINTENANCE OF UTILITIES IS IT WINS THE GAME.
IT WINS IT FOR EVERYBODY, THE PRESENT OWNERS, THE BUILDERS.
IT LOWERS THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION.
IT'S, IT'S JUST A MUCH BETTER PLAN.
IS IT, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER SPECIFICS YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT? NO, NO, AARON, I'M, I'M SATISFIED WITH THE GRAPHICS AND I'M SATISFIED WITH WHAT I SHOWED.
AARON, DO YOU HAVE THE, UM, THE DRAWING THAT SHOWS THE DRIVEWAYS? LET'S SEE HERE.
I JUST THINK IT, IT HELPS TO VISUALIZE IT WITHOUT ALL THE OTHER UTILITY STUFF IN THERE, YOU KNOW? YES.
UM, ALRIGHT, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD AT THIS POINT, MR. ESCAL, I'D LIKE TO, TO OPEN IT UP TO ANYONE FROM THE BOARD THAT WOULD HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.
YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE MUTED STILL ON THE PROPERTY WHERE YOU NEED, UH, UH, THAT SETBACK.
HOW MANY SQUARE FEET? UH, WHAT'S THE SIZE OF AN ENCROACHMENT IN TERMS OF SQUARE FEET? IT DOESN'T LOOK VERY LARGE.
IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A SLIVER OF MAYBE FOUR FEET TIMES 20.
SO IF IT'S 80 SQUARE FEET, I'LL BE SURPRISED.
AND THEN AT THE FAR END, HOW DEEP THE, I ASSUME THAT THIS IS A PRIVATE ROAD AND WHEN THEY PLOW, THEY WOULD PUSH THE SNOW ALL THE WAY TO THE END, BUT REMEMBER, WE'RE NOT DEDICATING THE ROAD WILKER.
I KNOW, BUT I'M SAYING WHEN, UH, SO YOU HAVE A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR TO COME IN AND PLOW THE ROAD, AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT THEY WOULD PLOW THAT SNOW ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK.
I'M JUST SAYING HOW LARGE IS THAT AREA FROM WELL, BETWEEN, YES.
BETWEEN THE EDGE, THE GREEN EDGE AND THE, THE REAR AND THE PROPERTY LINE THERE IS PROBABLY 12 FOOT BY 60 FOOT RIGHT TO THE LEFT.
THAT COULD BE IDENTIFIED ON THE PLAN AS A, AS A SNOW STORAGE AREA.
WE HAD A SIMILAR APPLICATION A FEW YEARS AGO, AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WANTED TO SEE, AND IT MADE SENSE.
YEAH, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA IMPEDE THE EMERGENCY ACCESS CORRECT.
IN THE WINTER WHEN THERE'S A BIG PILE OF SNOW THERE.
THAT'S WHY THAT LOT IS MUCH SMALLER THAN IT WAS, BUT, BUT WE LEFT THE EASEMENT, UH, UNTOUCHED SO THAT WE HAD THAT AREA FOR REMOVAL FOR WALTER.
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? UH, I, AND THE SAME, MY SAME, UH, ISSUE I HAVE, WELL, NOT IN TERMS OF SIDEWALK, BUT IN TERMS OF ANY SUSTAINABILITY ELEMENTS THAT YOU CAN INCORPORATE INTO THE DESIGN, DON WALTER, THE, THE, THE WHOLE IDEA.
UH, AND I REMEMBER WHEN THERE WAS AN APPLICATION, UH, I WAS VERY HAPPY TO SEE IT WHERE THE HOUSE, SOMEONE HAD THE COURAGE TO DO THE WHOLE HOUSE, UH, IN, IN, IN, IN, IN A WAY THAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING.
ALL OF US SHOULD BE THINKING WITH SOLAR PANELS, WITH EARTH BURNING AND ALL THAT.
AND I WAS VERY HAPPY TO SEE THIS COURAGEOUS, RICH MAN, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT, IT TAKES A LOT OF MONEY BUILDING A HOUSE LIKE THAT.
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I ALSO HAVE NOTICED THAT A LOT OF THE YOUNGER CROWD THAT'S BUYING, AND I'M, I'M NOW 74, I NOW CONSIDER MYSELF OLD.AND, UM, I SEE THESE YOUNG PEOPLE COMING AND BUYING AND COMING TO MY OFFICE, DESIGN THIS, DESIGN THAT ALL OF THEM, WITHOUT EXCEPTION HAVE ASKED ME ABOUT SOLAR ORIENTATION AND SOLAR PANELS, ALL OF THEM.
AND THIS HAS BEEN A GOOD TENT IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF.
AND I'M VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THAT IN SOME CASES, UH, THE WIFE AGREES 'CAUSE THE WIFE HAS TO SAY YES.
UM, BUT IN MOST CASES THEY HAVE, UM, UH, ASKED THE QUESTION AND WE HAVE ORIENTED ENOUGH ROOF, UH, SURFACES SOUTH OR SOUTHWEST TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE PANELS.
BUT THEY'RE VERY CONSCIOUS ABOUT IT.
THEY'RE WAITING FOR THE PRICES TO DROP AND, AND SUPER INSULATED.
UH, THAT'S ANOTHER ELEMENT THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, OF COURSE, IS INVOLVED, BUT WE ARE OVER INSULATING HOMES AS WELL.
AND THERE'S ANOTHER, UH, UH, HEAT PUMP, UH, PHENOMENON THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE, ARE GRAVITATING, AND I'M PUSHING THEM.
I JUST BUILD A HOUSE FOR MY SON AND EVERYTHING IS HEAT PUMPS.
AND THE HEAT AND THE COLD COMES FROM THAT HEAT PUMP.
AND IT COSTS IN THE WINTER, IN THE SUMMER, IT COSTS 400 IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, THIS HEAT.
UH, AND ANYWAY, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THERE ARE MATERIAL THINGS THAT ARE DESIGNED THAT ARE GO ALONG WITH VERY MUCH WITH THE DIRECTION THAT YOU ARE, YOU ARE ASKING TO GO.
AND I WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU BECAUSE CAN I ASK A, A QUESTION HERE? IS THIS LIKE THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT WHERE EACH OF THESE LOTS IS GONNA BE DEVELOPED INDIVIDUALLY BY WHOEVER BUYS THEM? THAT COULD BE THAT, IS THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING AND ASKING FOR THIS? OR IS THIS GONNA BE DEVELOPED BY A DEVELOPER? RIGHT.
RIGHT NOW, THE, THE OWNER, THE OWNER IS DECIDING WHETHER TO SELL THIS AS A PACKAGE OR BUILD IT HIMSELF.
AND I THINK FROM, HE'S A, HE'S A CLOSET BUILDER.
I THINK HE WILL BUILD IT, UH, BECAUSE THE FIRST ONE CAME OUT BEAUTIFULLY.
UM, AND, AND I THINK HE, HE IS WAITING BY THE TIME WHERE HE CAN START, UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF INQUIRIES.
WE HAVE A LOT OF YOUNG COUPLES THAT ARE WAITING FOR THIS APPROVAL.
SO I THINK HE'LL BE TEMPTED TO BUILD THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD ENCOURAGE, UM, ALL THE MEASURES THAT, THAT YOU MENTIONED BY WHOEVER BUILT IT.
SO, MONA, YOU'VE HAD YOUR HAND UP AND THEN LESLIE, MONA THERE.
UM, THIS, UM, WILL BE, UH, YOU SAID IT'S GONNA BE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, I THINK YOU SAID? YES.
SO IS IT GOING TO BE TOWN SANITATION OR PRIVATE SANITATION? WELL, YEAH.
NO, THE, THE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED, THE, THE, THE SANITATION WILL BE PROVIDED BY THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, BUT THE MOVEMENT OF THE BARRELS AND ALL OF THAT WILL PROBABLY BE CREATED BY THE OWNERS AND PLACED IN THE FRONT.
I THINK THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST, IN OTHER SUBDIVISIONS IN THE FRONT, MEANING ON SEACOR ROAD? I BELIEVE.
SO, I, I DON'T KNOW THE PARTICULAR, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT I CANNOT ANSWER WITH CERTAINTY, BUT WITH PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS OF PREVIOUS SUBMISSIONS OF OTHER SUBDIVISIONS, THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD.
SO, BUT I CANNOT GIVE YOU AN EXACT ANSWER TO THAT.
I THINK I WOULD'VE TO RESEARCH THAT.
AND CAN I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION,
UM, AND SO SNOW REMOVAL WILL BE, UM, THROUGH THE TOWN AND CARDING WILL BE THROUGH THE TOWN? NO, NO.
AARON, WHY DON'T YOU STEP IN BECAUSE YOU'VE SEEN THIS.
NO, NO, DON'T BE, I, NO, THAT'S OKAY.
YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
LET ME GO BACK TO THE SANITATION FOR A MOMENT.
PRELIMINARILY, THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS HAS INDICATED A PREFERENCE TO HAVE THE GARBAGE AND RECYCLING PICKUP ALONG SEACO ROAD.
UH, IT'S A DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO HAVE WITH THEIR OFFICE AND MR. ESCALADES AND THE PROJECT TEAM TO DISCUSS THAT.
AND WHAT MIGHT BE MOST APPROPRIATE, UH, WITH RESPECT TO SNOW REMOVAL, AS MR. ESTIS INDICATED, IT'S INTENDED TO BE A PRIVATE ROAD.
THERE'S DRAINAGE UNDERNEATH THE ROAD.
SO A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION WOULD BE CREATED.
THERE WOULD BE CONDITIONS IN ANY DECISION BY THE PLANNING BOARD FOR MAINTENANCE, SNOW REMOVAL, YOU KNOW,
TO MAINTAIN, PROPERLY MAINTAIN RESURFACE CARE FOR THE ROAD, CONDUCT, THE SNOWPLOWING, ALL OF THAT.
AND, BUT WE'RE PAYING MORE TAXES THAN WE'RE DOING LESS, WE'RE RECEIVING LESS BENEFITS.
I WANTED TO TRY TO ESTABLISH HERE, UM, ADDITIONALLY, HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONVERSATION WITH EMERGENCY SERVICES THAT THEY CAN GET IN AND OUT OF HERE? THAT GEOMETRY OF THAT PARTICULAR, UH, UH, UH, DIMENSION THAT WAS PLACED? UH, AND, AND THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE WHOLE REAL, REALLY THE REASON FOR THE WHOLE CHANGE.
AND THAT WAS, THAT'S APPROVED BY ALL THE STANDARDS.
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UH, WE HAVE USED IT IN THE TOWN BEFORE, SO I'M SURE THAT WHEN THE FIRE CHIEF REVIEWS IT, UH, HE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT PATTERN, THOSE DIMENSIONS, THOSE DISTANCES ARE HONORED.'CAUSE THAT IS RECOMMENDED NATIONALLY.
UH, SO, BUT YOU HAVEN'T TO DATE, HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH, UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? WELL, AND IT WENT THROUGH A STAFF REVIEW.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE HAD SIGNED OFF OR NOT.
SO THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AT THIS POINT.
UH, HE WAS UNDER THE WEATHER TODAY, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE HIM ON, AND I KNOW HE IS TAKING NOTES, BUT WE DID CIRCULATE THE PROPOSAL TO THE FIRE DISTRICT.
I'M NOT 100% SURE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IF THEY HAD NO FURTHER COMMENTS OR IF THEY HAD ANY FOLLOW-UP COMMENTS OR IF WE WERE STILL WAITING FOR COMMENT FROM THEM.
SO I'LL CERTAINLY FOLLOW UP AND, UH, I CAN REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD ON THAT AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE COMMUNICATION WITH MR. ESCALADES TO, UH, ENSURE THAT FIRE SAFETY IS, UH, SATISFIED.
UH, LESLIE, DID YOU STILL WANNA SPEAK? YOUR HAND WENT DOWN, I'M SORRY, AND EXCUSE THE DOG BARKING, BUT I WANTED TO, I DIDN'T REALLY GET A CLEAR ANSWER ON THE SUSTAINABILITY ISSUE.
I KNOW THAT YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE DOING, UM, INSULATION AND THAT IS IT GOING TO BE UP TO THE PEOPLE WHO PURCHASE IT TO DO THAT? AND ALSO, WHAT KIND OF HEAT SYSTEM ARE YOU CURRENTLY INSTALLING? DO YOU HAVE THOSE ANSWERS? YES, I DO HAVE THE ANSWER.
IF I, IF I, UH, BECAUSE I'VE SPOKEN TO THE BUILDERS AND WE, WE DID SIMILAR, UH, UH, UM, UM, WE, WE DID SIMILAR SOLUTIONS IN THE HOUSE AT UP AND DEFINITELY WE WOULD GO WITH HEAT PUMPS.
SO WHAT THAT DOES IS IT ELIMINATES ANY USE OF, OF FOSSIL FUELS FOREVER FOR THE LIFE OF THE, OF THIS HOUSE.
EVERYTHING IS RUN BY ELECTRICITY.
AND THE COMPRESSORS AND THE VACUUM PUMPS WILL IN ESSENCE, TECHNICALLY CREATE THE HEAT OR THE COLD FROM THE AMBIENT AIR TEMPERATURE.
THIS IS LIKE A MAGICAL, UH, THING WHERE AT MINUS 10 DEGREES, YOU CAN EXTRACT ENOUGH HEAT FROM THAT COLD AIR.
AND I SAW THIS THIS SUMMER, IT WAS 10 DEGREES OUTSIDE, AND I HAD 80 DEGREES INSIDE THE HOUSE.
AND IT'S ALL DONE THROUGH VERY, UH, UH, A VERY EX EXACT MACHINING.
AND ANYWAY, IT'S, IT'S THE FUTURE AND IT IS ABSOLUTELY WHAT WE ARE GOING TO INSTALL.
I DON'T KNOW OF A YOUNG PERSON OR ANY BUILDER THAT IS A BUILDING NOWADAYS THAT IS NOT, UH, USING, UH, HEAT PUMPS.
ONE THING THAT DIDN'T HELP WAS THE FACT THAT WE CAN'T CONNECT TO THE GAS MAIN.
UM, BUT, BUT, UH, HEAT PUMPS IS THE FUTURE.
IT IS THE WAY WE'RE GONNA BUILD THOSE HOUSES IF, IF WE GET TO BUILD THEM OURSELVES.
BEYOND, BEYOND HEAT PUMPS, ANY OTHER MEASURES THAT YOU WANNA, WE, WE, WE ARE, WE ARE ENCOURAGING, AND MOST YOUNG PEOPLE, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY LOOK AT THE, AT THE END RESULT, WE ARE OVER INSULATING WITH, UH, WITH, UH, A CLOSED CELL, UH, UH, FOAM AND OPEN CELL FOAM, DEPENDING ON WHERE IT'S USED.
UM, AND, AND WE'RE USING THE HIGHEST RATED, UH, WINDOW PANE.
SOME PEOPLE USE TRIPLE PANES, ALTHOUGH THAT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT OF CODE.
AND, AND THEN THERE IS THE EXTRA THAT THEY MIGHT CONSIDER SOLO.
NOW, AGAIN, IN A, IN A MATRIX OF POPULATION OF BUYERS, THE YOUNGER PEOPLE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE RESPONDING BETTER TO THE POSSIBLE GREEN SOLUTIONS.
BY THE WAY, WE DID THE FIRST HOUSE, IT WAS VERY GREEN BECAUSE IT WAS PREFABRICATED.
SO THERE WAS NO WASTE ON SITE, THERE WAS NO NOISE, THERE WAS NO WASTE OF ENERGY.
WAS IT THAT SOLAR, YOU DID PUT SOLAR IN THAT HOUSE? NO, WE COULD, WE COULD PUT SOLAR IN PREFAB.
IT'S JUST THE ORIENTATION OF THE ROOF THAT MATTERS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, FAVORING SOUTH USUALLY.
ALTHOUGH NOW I'VE SEEN HOUSES THAT ARE FACING NORTH AND STILL THEY'RE STICKING PANELS NOT EFFICIENTLY BECAUSE THERE'S A WHOLE OTHER POLITIC OKAY.
WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO THE EXACT SCIENCE OF IT.
NO, WE'RE NOT DAVID, DAVID WOULD CUT ME OFF IMMEDIATELY, BUT, UH, BUT, UH, BUT I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER ALL THE OTHER BENEFITS.
THE, THE STORM, THE STORM WATER, UH, DETENTION THAT IS, AND SOME PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY DETAINING WATER FOR GARDEN PURPOSES, BUT, UH, NOT TOO MUCH OF THAT.
UM, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AS A PEOPLE.
UH, THE YOUNG, THE YOUNG, THE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE RESPONDING.
UM, AND THE, AND THE CODES ARE BECOMING MORE, MORE AND MORE REQUIRING THAT TYPE OF THINKING AS WE OKAY.
I, I JUST WANTED TO KEEP IT TO YOUR DEVELOPMENT ALL AT ALL.
BUT LET, LET'S TRY TO KEEP IT TO, UH, ANY OTHER MEASURES THAT YOU WANT TO, UM, NOT COM NOT MAYBE COMMIT TO, BUT MAYBE COMMIT TO INCLUDING HERE? UH, I COULD, I COULD, I COULD SUGGEST IN PERMEABLE PAVERS IN THE PRIVATE DRIVEWAYS ONLY IN THE, IN THE PORTION OF DRIVEWAY THAT BELONGS TO THE HOMEOWNER.
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EXPENSIVE LITTLE BIT.IT'S NOT CHEAP TO INSTALL THEM, BUT I COULD, I COULD SUGGEST THAT AS A, AS A METHOD THAT, UH, TO USE.
UM, I, I NEVER LIKE TO GIVE AWAY ANYTHING THAT IS NOT TO ME TO GIVE.
I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
YOU ARE PUTTING, UH, LESLIE, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER, UM, QUESTIONS? JOHAN, ANYTHING? JOHAN? YOUR, YOUR MIC? I, I THINK I READ HIS LIPS THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.
I HAVE LA ONE LAST COMMENT IF I CAN.
AND THEN I HAVE A COUPLE OF SMALL THINGS.
UH, I THINK, UH, I THINK WE NEED TO FOLLOW UP ON THE, UM, THE DISCUSSION OF WHERE THE GARBAGE CAN SHOULD BE PLACED.
UH, WHAT IS THE DISTANCE FROM THE LAST HOUSE TO THE, THE, THE FIRST LOT IS 74 FEET LONG WIDE.
SO FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE BEGINNING OF THE SECOND LOT IS 74 FEET.
BUT IF YOU'RE ALL THE WAY THE END, YEAH, I'M JUST TALKING THE ISSUE THAT 75 TIMES FOUR.
I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, IF YOU HAVE TO DRAG YOUR GARBAGE CAN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE ROAD, I KNOW THAT IT'S MORE FISHING FOR THE TOWN, BUT I THINK WE JUST NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AND, AND SEE IF THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
I THINK THE, THE PUBLIC WORKS MIGHT, MIGHT BE OKAY IN BACKING INTO, OKAY.
WE JUST NEED TO LOOK TO, TO BE EXPLORED.
DAVID, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ON THIS? YEAH, SIMPLY THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A D P W QUESTION AND WE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THEM.
BUT I UNDERSTAND MR. SIMON'S CONCERN.
UM, WALTER DECIDED HE DIDN'T WANT TO BRING UP SIDEWALKS, SO I'M GONNA BRING UP SIDEWALKS.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY SIDEWALKS ALONG SEACOR THERE.
UM, IS THAT THE CASE, AARON? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, AND AS WALTER SAID EARLIER, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A SIDEWALK, THERE WOULD BE A SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE AT THIS POINT.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE, UH, SIDEWALKS WHEREVER THERE ARE DEVELOPMENTS, AND HOPEFULLY SEE THEM GET CONNECTED OVER TIME.
UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD ASK YOU TO AT LEAST CONSIDER.
AND, AND, AND SEACOR ROAD IS IDENTIFIED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, FIGURE 9.1, THE SIDE NOTE SIDEWALK NETWORK, UH, AS IDENTIFIED AS A PRIORITY SIDEWALK LOCATION.
YEAH, I HAVE ONE SMALL QUESTION IN LOOKING AT THE DRIVEWAYS, WHICH IS WHY I ASKED FOR THAT PLAN EARLIER, BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO PUT IT UP NOW.
THEY ALL, UH, HAD A HAMMERHEAD KIND OF TURNAROUND, EXCEPT THAT'S COMING OUT, THE FIRST ONE THAT'S COMING OUT BECAUSE, UH, GREENBERG IS THE ONLY TOWN IN WESTCHESTER WHERE YOU CANNOT TURN ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY.
YOU, YOU VIOLATE, YOU LI YOU VIOLATE THE SETBACKS AT SIDE YARDS.
IF YOU, IF YOU STUDY, IT'S, IT'S SILLY.
AND, AND IT MAKES IT, IN THIS CASE, NOT REALLY, 'CAUSE YOU'RE BACKING INTO ALMOST LIKE A PRIVATE ACCESS ROAD, BUT IF YOU HAD A HOUSE ON A BUSY STREET, THE FACT THAT YOU'RE NOT, YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE, GET A VARIANCE.
NORMALLY THE VARIOUS BOARDS WILL GRANT IT BECAUSE IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION TO EXPECT THE PERSON TO JUST BACK UP INTO THE MAIN AVENUE.
I KNOW WE'VE APPROVED OTHER DEVELOPMENTS WHERE DRIVEWAYS HAVE HAD A LITTLE HAMMERHEAD IN THEM.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT, THAT YOU CANNOT DO IT IN GREENBURG AND THAT YOU HAD THREE OF THEM DRAWN.
YES, AARON? NO, I WAS TOLD BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, I GOTTA TAKE IT OUT.
YOU, WHEN THEY ENCROACH INTO THE SIDE YARD SETBACK, THAT WOULD INVOLVE A VARIANCE.
BUT SOMETIMES IF YOU FLIP THEM, AND IF YOU HAVE THE DRIVEWAY ON ONE SIDE, BUT THE BUMP OUT TOWARDS THE CENTER OF THE LOT, YOU YES.
AND, AND OR IF YOU HAVE LARGER LOTS, OKAY.
YOU CAN AVOID THE NEED FOR THE VARI.
BUT IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE ALL IN THE FRONT LOT.
AND IN THIS CASE, UH, AS YOU NOTED, IT'S DOABLE.
IT'S ALONG A PRIVATE ROADWAY THAT'S ONLY GONNA EVER SERVICE FOR HOMES.
SO IT MAY NOT BE NECESSARY AS YOU YEAH, IT'S RIGHT IN THIS CASE BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE SIZE OF THE LOT AND THE SETBACKS.
SO THEY'RE COMING OUT, UM, AND I GUESS THE LANDSCAPING PLAN WAS THE LAST THING I WANTED TO BRING UP, WHICH, YOU KNOW, YOU, THE VERY IMPORTANT, THE DRAWING YOU PRESENTED HAD, YOU KNOW, HAND SKETCHED XS AND, UH, ADDITIONS.
AND I THINK WE JUST WANNA SEE SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE COMPLETE.
I HIRED THE
UH, UNLESS ANYONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING, UH, AARON, WHAT DO WE DO TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS? SO I THINK
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AT THIS TIME, THE BOARD, AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, YOU WANT TO CONSIDER DECLARING LEAD AGENCY INTENT, OR AT LEAST HAVING THE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.THE, AS WE MENTIONED, THERE IS A ONE AREA OF VARIANCE REQUIRED.
SO IF THE PLANNING BOARD, WHICH IS TYPICAL THAT THE PLANNING BOARD IN A SUBDIVISION LIKE THIS WOULD, UH, SEEK TO BE THE LEAD AGENCY FOR PURPOSES OF SEEKER REVIEW.
SO IF THE BOARD AGREES, UH, THERE CAN BE DISCUSSION OR SIMPLY A VOTE TO DECLARE INTENT, AND THEN STAFF WOULD CIRCULATE THAT INTENTION.
YEAH, I THINK GIVEN THAT THE, UM, THE PROPOSED VARIANCE IS MINOR AND IT'S REALLY DICTATED BY THE FACT THAT YOU NEED THAT RADIUS FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES, I THINK, UH, WE SHOULD PURSUE LEAD AGENCY.
CAN I, UH, HEAR A MOTION? WELL, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO PROPOSE A MOTION TO DECLARE OURSELVES LEAD AGENCY? SO MOVE, UH, OUR INTENT.
SO WE'LL CIRCULATE THAT AND THEN ONCE WE HEAR BACK FROM OTHER INVOLVED AND INTERESTED AGENCIES, WE'LL REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD AND LOOK TO HAVE THIS, IT LOOKS LIKE MR. ESTIS HAS A LITTLE BIT OF HOMEWORK TO DO.
WE'LL COORDINATE WITH HIS OFFICE AND ALL COME BACK SOMETIME PROBABLY, UM, YOU KNOW, LATER IN THE SUMMER, EARLY FALL TO GET BACK ON WITH THIS BOARD SO THAT THE PLANNING BOARD, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO DECLARE ITSELF LEAD AGENCY, CONSIDER SECRET DETERMINATION AS WELL AS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD.
MR. ESCADA, REAL QUICK, UH, DO YOU HAVE A DATE WITH THE ZONING BOARD YET? NO, I'M GOING TO SPAIN TOMORROW FOR TWO WEEKS.
I'M GONNA GO TO MY YORK AND SIT IN THE BEACH WITH MY TWO DAUGHTERS FOR TWO WEEKS.
WOULDN'T YOU RATHER BE AT THE ZONING BOARD HEARING? YES, ACTUALLY HE CAN'T.
HE REALLY CAN'T BECAUSE, UH, UNTIL IT COMES BACK AND WE, WE DO SECRA.
I I WILL, HE REALLY SORT OF MAKES SENSE.
HOPEFULLY Z B A WILL GET BACK TO US.
UH, I WILL QUICKLY ON THIS I'LL, I I ON THAT ASPECT AND THEN WE CAN, UH, DO, DO CRO ON IT AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
THE MINUTE I GET BACK I'LL DO IT, BUT YOU GOTTA GIMME TWO WEEKS, GUYS.
THANK YOU FOLKS MARATHON TONIGHT.
UM, MOVING ON TO OUR LAST, UH, APPLICATION OF THE EVENING, WHICH IS E B 2210 CHOW.
AND I'LL LET AARON, UH, GIVE THE OVERVIEW ON THIS.
UH, HEY, NEXT ITEM IS PB 2210 CHOW SUBDIVISION LOCATED OFF OF CLAYTON ROAD, PO SCARSDALE AND THE R 31 FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT, ITS TEAM IS BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD THIS EVENING AS PART OF A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE TO DISCUSS A POTENTIAL FUTURE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPLICATION INVOLVING THE PROPOSED RE SUBDIVISION OF THREE EXISTING TAX LOTS.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM MR. BERNSTEIN, HE WILL BE PRESENTING A SINGLE PROPOSAL THAT WOULD INVOLVE THE MERGING OF THE THREE TAX LOTS IN ORDER TO CREATE ONE FLAG LOT CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY 86,649 SQUARE FEET FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONSTRUCTING ONE NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.
UM, WE HAD NOTED TO THE BOARD IN OUR STAFF REPORT THAT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN TWO ALTERNATIVE LAYOUTS, BUT I HAD A DISCUSSION WITH MR. BERNSTEIN AND IT'S DOWN TO ONE.
SO I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO MR. BERNSTEIN TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROPOSAL.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING UPFRONT, UM, BECAUSE IT'S A, A SOMEWHAT UNUSUAL PROPERTY SITUATION WHERE AT ONE TIME WAS ONE LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND PART OF IT WAS, UH, SOLD OFF KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE.
AND THIS APPLICATION IS IN PARTS OF PROPERTY THAT ABUT THAT PART THAT WAS SOLD OFF.
AND IT WAS CLEAR FROM MR. BERNSTEIN'S APPLICATION THAT THERE'S SOME DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND THE TOWN ABOUT CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THAT PROPERTY THAT WAS SOLD OFF, UH, INCLUDING A POTENTIAL FOR, UM, VARIANCES.
I DON'T WANT TO DISCUSS ANY OF THAT TONIGHT, AND I KNOW IT WAS THE BULK OF YOUR SUBMISSION, MR. BERNSTEIN, BUT THOSE ARE MATTERS TO BE SOLVED BETWEEN, UH, YOU AND THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AND NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN EVALUATE OR A RULE ON HERE.
AS THE PLANNING BOARD, THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, LEGAL QUESTIONS, DOCUMENT QUESTIONS, UH, LOT LINE QUESTIONS THAT ARE, ARE NOT IN OUR PURVIEW AND THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO, UM, TO WEIGH IN ON.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS FOCUS ON THE
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SUBDIVISION APPLICATION ITSELF, THE PROPERTY THAT YOU WANT TO DEVELOP AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND, UM, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.AND SINCE IT'S PRE-SUBMISSION, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS GIVE YOU OUR QUESTIONS, GIVE YOU OUR FEEDBACK SO THAT IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK, YOU, UH, KIND OF HAVE A TEMPERATURE OF WHERE WE'RE AT.
WELL, THANK YOU MR. VICE CHAIR.
UM, THE, UH, THE REASON WE WANTED THE PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE WAS ACTUALLY AT THE SUGGESTION OF, UH, UH, MR. FREED WHO THOUGHT, WHO KNEW, WHO WAS AWARE OF THE, UM, UH, CONFLICT OR THE DISPUTE OVER WHETHER VARIANCES MIGHT BE NEEDED AND THOUGHT THAT THE BEST APPROACH FOR US WOULD BE TO GO BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD TO SEE WHAT YOUR VIEW WOULD BE.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE AN AVENUE TO GO TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR YET BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A, UH, UH, AN APPLICATION TO BUILD ANYTHING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A, UH, AN APPROVED SUBDIVIDED LOT.
UM, SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO ASK THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, UH, UNLESS THERE'S A PROCEDURE I'M NOT AWARE OF TO ASK THE BUILDING INSPECTOR TO WEIGH IN, UH, HYPOTHETICALLY WHAT HE WOULD DO IF AN APPLICATION WERE MADE.
UM, UH, AND I'M, WE'VE CERTAINLY, UM, MADE THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AWARE OF THIS SITUATION.
UH, UH, WE'VE MET WITH TOWN STAFF, I'M SURE THEY'VE MADE HIM AWARE.
UH, AND WE WE'RE HOPING THAT TONIGHT WE WOULD LEARN WHETHER, UH, THE, THE, THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN SATISFACTORILY ADDRESSED.
UM, AND WE'D BE ABLE TO GO TO THE NEXT STEP.
BUT, UM, I GUESS WE'LL HAVE TO WORK THAT OUT WITH TOWN STAFF.
UM, BUT I KNOW MY CLIENT WILL BE PRETTY DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE AS, AS WILL THE, UH, THE CONTRACT ND UH, THAT PLANS TO, UH, BUILD AND CLOSE ON THE CONTRACT, BUT CAN'T CLOSE UNTIL AN APPLICATION FOR SUBDIVISION HAS BEEN APPROVED.
SO, UH, AT, AT THIS POINT THEN, LET ME ASK MR. FREE TO WEIGH IN SINCE YOU, UM, UH, INCLUDED HIM IN THIS PROCESS.
UM, LOOK, WE HAVE A PROCEDURE, UH, IT'S IN OUR CODE.
UM, AND UNLESS IT IS, YOU KNOW, THE SIMPLEST OF, UM, OF SUBDIVISIONS, WE HAVE AN INITIAL CONFERENCE AND REVIEW, UM, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AT TWO 50 DASH FOUR A, UH, FOUR FOUR A OF OUR CODE AND PART OF THAT, UH, PLANNING BOARD.
AND IT WAS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WAS MORE THAN ONE DIFFERENT PLAN.
THAT'S THE GENERAL REASON WHY WE HAVE THE INITIAL CONFERENCE PLANNING BOARD WILL DISCUSS SOME READING FROM IT DIRECTLY, THE PERSPECTIVE SUBDIVIDED PROPOSAL OR PROPOSALS WITH HIM TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE SKETCH PLANS MEET THE PURPOSES OF THESE REGULATIONS AND ALL OTHER APPLICABLE ORDINANCE AND REGULAT UH, REGULATIONS.
AND SHE'LL MAKE SUGGESTIONS, EITHER AT THE TIME OF THE INITIAL CONFERENCE OR AFTER FURTHER STUDY, WHETHER IT'S CONSIDERED NECESSARY FOR CHANGES IN THE PROPOSED LAYOUT.
SO, AS YOU'VE HEARD WITH ONE OF THE EARLIER, UM, UM, MATTERS, UM, I GUESS THE, WHICH ONE WAS THIS? WE HAD HAD THAT ONE, THE ONE WITH THE CEMETERY WORTHINGTON ESTATES.
WE HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO A SIMILAR TYPE MEETING.
AND THEN WE SPENT WITH MR. ESCALADES, YOU KNOW, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME AT THAT MEETING, UH, DISCUSSING VERY, VERY VARIOUS OPTIONS.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT INSTEAD OF TWO OPTIONS, YOU HAVE ONE OPTION.
I UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT WANT, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE.
BUT THE OUTSTANDING ISSUE, AND THE ONE THAT YOU NEED TO GET A DETERMINATION FROM IS FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTOR ABOUT THE, ABOUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE WAS A SUBDIVISION BY DEEDED THAT WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY WASN'T BEFORE THIS BOARD.
SO THE BOARD IS NOT GONNA RECOGNIZE A SUBDIVISION THAT OCCURRED AS AS OF A SALE.
THAT WITH THAT BEING SAID, THERE MAY BE, UH, DIFFERENT APPROACHES WITH, UH, THAT YOU TALK WITH A BILLING INSPECTOR SO THAT YOU AVOID, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, SPINNING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SPINNING IN THE MUD.
WELL, HOW DO YOU SUGGEST WE GET BEFORE THE, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR? BECAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE CERTAINLY BEEN OPEN TO ALL KINDS OF MEETINGS.
WE, WE MET WITH YOU, UH, WE MET WITH, UH, UH, MR. DUQUE, UH, UH, WE EVEN MET, UH, WITH WHAT THE MR. ELLI.
UM, BUT, UH, AND WE'VE LAID OUT OUR POSITION, UH, IN CORRESPONDENCE, THE SAME CORRESPONDENCE THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS SHOWING OUR VIEW ON
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THIS.AND WE'VE HEARD NOTHING FROM THE BUILDING.
YOU CAN GO, YOU CAN GO FOR A RULING IN FRONT OF THE, THE Z B A IF YOU WANT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A RULING FROM THE, UH, THE ZBA A'S JURISDICTION IS LIMITED TO APPEALS FROM, UH, RULINGS FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
AND WE DON'T HAVE AN OPINION FROM HIM ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, AND WE DON'T HAVE A MECHANISM TO GET ONE.
UM, ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, IS ADVANCE THE BALL HERE.
UH, WE, WE'VE CERTAINLY MARSHALED AS THE, UH, THE BOARD CAN SEE OUR ARGUMENTS, BUT WE HAVEN'T PRESENTED THEM SOLELY TO THIS BOARD.
WE PRESENTED THEM TO TOWN STAFF, INCLUDING THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, AND WE'VE HEARD NOTHING.
THERE'S NO, WE, UH, I MEAN, IT, IT, THIS IS A, A, A, A FRUSTRATION BECAUSE, UM, UH, I HEARD MR. HAY DESCRIBE THE SITUATION AS ONE WHERE THIS WAS ONCE, ONE WHOLE PROPERTY BEING, UM, PARCELED OFF OR SOLD IN PARTS.
UH, THE, THE REALITY IS THAT THIS WAS, UH, A SERIES OF PROPERTIES, UM, UH, OF WHICH THE THREE TAX LOTS IN QUESTION WERE THE, WERE, WERE, WAS ONE PART.
UM, AND, UH, UH, THE, UH, THE PROPERTY WAS OWNED WAS, WAS OWNED BY DIFFERENT PAR OWNERS OVER THE DECADES.
UH, AND, AND, UH, UH, THE CHOWS ACQUIRED THIS PROPERTY, UM, AND ALL FOUR PARCELS OF IT IN 2001.
THEY DEVELOPED ONE OF THE PARCELS IN 2003, AND THEY'VE SOLD, UM, THAT PARCEL THEY'VE SOLD.
UH, AND THAT PARCEL HAD A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY ON IT, UH, WITH NO RESTRICTIONS AS I'VE EXPLAINED.
UH, AND SO THE ONLY, AND THEY ALSO SOLD THE, UH, PARCEL, UH, WHERE THEIR MAIN HOUSE WAS AT 1 55 UNDERHILL.
SO THE ONLY PARCELS REMAINING TO BE SOLD ARE THESE THREE TAX LOTS, WHICH ARE ACTUALLY TWO PARCELS.
UH, ONE, UH, WE, WE CALL THEM ON THE, UH, UH, THE MAP THAT WAS SHOWN TO YOU AS, UH, FROM 2003, UH, WE LABELED THE PARCELS LOTS, PARCELS, A, B, C, AND D.
LISA, UH, AARON, ARE YOU, I'M SORRY, MR. BERNSTEIN.
AARON, ARE YOU ABLE TO PUT UP A GRAPHIC OF THE, UH, THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE EXHIBIT THREE? AARON, IF YOU HAVE IT, AND I SEE A, WALTER, I'M NOT IGNORING YOU.
AND I JUST, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO YOUR, UM, DISCUSSION MR. BERNSTEIN.
UM, SO, UH, IF YOU CAN, LOOKING AT THIS MAP, UM, THE, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL, UM, PROPERTY, UH, THAT THE CHOWS ACQUIRED IN 2001, AND THIS WAS A SUBMISSION TO THE TOWN, UH, IN 2003 IN CONNECTION WITH A, UM, UH, IMPROVEMENT, UM, OF SUB OF PARCEL B.
I AM GONNA STOP YOU NOW BECAUSE NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO THE WEEDS ON A LOT OF HISTORY AND SPECIFICS AND THERE'S A LOT OF DOCUMENTS INVOLVED, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DIGEST HERE, NOR CAN WE ACT ON IT.
I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA LOOK AT THE PROPERTY THAT SHOWED THE PART THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SUBDIVIDE.
I, I WAS TRYING TO, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT AND PUT IT IN CONTEXT.
UM, JUST BEFORE WE SWITCH TO THAT, THE PROPERTY TO BE, UH, THE LOTS TO BE MERGED, WHICH IS THE APPLICATION FOR SUBDIVISION INVOLVES PARCELS C AND D, AND PARCEL D INCLUDES THE ACCESS STRIP TO CLAYTON.
UH, THAT'S BEING INDICATED ON THE CURSOR.
THAT IS A SEPARATE TAX LOT, BUT IT'S ALSO PART OF PARCEL D.
SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, UH, PARCEL MERGING PARCEL C AND D, WHICH IS A MERGER OF THREE TAX LOTS BECAUSE D CONSISTS OF TWO TAX LOTS AND C IS ONE TAX LOT.
AND WITHIN THAT, UM, BUILDING ONE HOME WITH ONE DRIVEWAY IN THE, UH, STRIP THERE, THAT IS CORRECT.
UM, THE, UH, I DON'T, UH, AND YOU CAN PUT UP THE DRAWING NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS EXHIBIT ONE, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT T-SHAPED, UM, LOT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO BE CREATED.
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UH, FROM YOUR MATERIALS AND, AND I ASKED, UH, FOR AN OPINION ON, ON WHETHER IT WAS ACCURATE.AND I, I HEARD THAT IT WAS, UH, YOU, THIS WOULD BE AN OVERSIZED LOT BASED ON THE ZONING SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ISSUES WITH, UM, F A R OR SETBACKS OR DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BUILD THERE.
UM, THAT REALLY LARGELY THIS SHOULD BE A VERY ACCEPTABLE SUBDIVISION BASED ON THE CODE.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
AND I, I THINK, UH, TOWN STAFF WOULD AGREE.
UM, THE, UH, UH, THE LOT IS, AS YOU KNOW, FLAG LOT UNDER THE FLAG LOT LAW.
UM, THE MAIN FLAG PORTION MUST BE DOUBLE THE SIZE, UH, OF THE, UH, OF WHAT'S PERMITTED.
AND HERE WHAT'S PERMITTED IS AN R 30 IS A LOT.
AND, UH, THE LOT THAT WE PROPOSED TO BE CREATED THERE, THE FLAG PORTION IS 86,000, SO TWO TIMES 30 TO 60,000.
SO IT, IT MORE, IT'S, IT EASILY SATISFY THAT THAT CRITERIA, UH, THE, UH, 50 FOOT WIDE ACCESS STRIP IS MORE THAN SUFFICIENT TO SUPPORT A, A DRIVEWAY, WHICH I, I BELIEVE THE MINIMUM CODE REQUIREMENT IS 15 FEET.
UM, BUT, UH, UH, AND IT ACCESSES CLAYTON ROAD.
UH, CLAYTON ROAD IS, UM, NOT ONE OF THE STREETS THAT ARE LISTED AS PRECLUDING C CURB CUTS FOR FLAG LOTS.
SO IT'S, IT'S A ROAD THAT, UM, IT ACCEPTS FLAG LOTS.
UH, AND SO, UH, WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD, THIS MADE PERFECT SENSE, UH, TO MAKE IT INTO A, UH, UH, EMERGED THREE LOT, THREE TAX LOTS FOR PURPOSES OF RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION FOR THAT ONE LOT.
AND, UH, THE CHOWS DO HAVE A BUYER, UH, WHO WOULD LIKE TO BUY THIS PROPERTY PROVIDED THE PLANNING BOARD APPROVES, UH, THAT, UH, UH, THE MERGER OF THE LOTS SO THAT IT CAN BE BUILT, UM, UH, AND IT CAN GO TO THE, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AND GET A BUILDING PERMIT.
UM, UH, BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL YOU APPROVE THE LOT OF THE MERGER, AND WE CAN'T APPARENTLY GET THAT DONE UNTIL THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WEIGHS IN ON SOMETHING.
WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET 'EM TO WEIGH IN ON, UM, THE, THE, UH, UH, UH, I DON'T, UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK IF THERE'S, MAYBE I, I BEST IF I ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
UH, I, I'D LIKE TO LET MR. SIMON SPEAK AND MAYBE HE CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS BASED ON HIS EXPERIENCE.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, THE SUBDIVISION, UH, STANDING ON HIS PHONE, HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL.
ONE OF THE CORE PARTS OF A PRE-SUBMISSION IS TO GIVE THE APPLICANT GUIDANCE.
AND, AND SO NOW WE'RE STUCK IN THE, IN, IN A LOOP THAT WE DON'T HAVE.
WE CAN'T MAKE A DECISION ON THIS BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES OF, UH, LOT LINE, UH, THE, UH, MR. BERNSTEIN CAN'T GET A APPLICATION BECAUSE WE CAN'T MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
PERHAPS WE COULD COME UP WITH SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE PROVIDING THAT IT'S LEGAL IS THAT WE LOOK AT THE APPLICATION.
IF I LOOK AT THE APPLICATION, I WOULD SAY, HEY, BASED UPON THE FLAG BLOCK THAT THE FLAG LOT AND ALL THE CALCULATION, IT SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE PROPOSAL.
AND, AND THEN TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND GO TO, UH, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HERE AGAIN, WILL NOT BE A FORMAL, UH, UH, APPLICATION.
THE SAME WAY TONIGHT IS NOT FORMAL TO SAY AND TELL THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, IF I SUBMITTED A PROPOSAL TO THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY I WOULD HAVE TO DO TO ADDRESS ANY ISSUES THAT MIGHT BE ASSOCIATED WITH IT? AND THEN, AND THEN ONCE THOSE THINGS ARE LINE UP, THEY GIVE US SOMETHING TO WORK WITH.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE TAKE THAT APPROACH, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT THE LAYOUT, IF WE ALL AGREE THAT'S A REASONABLE LAYOUT, UH, AND THEN ASK MR. BERNSTEIN AND ASK THE BUILDING INSPECTOR TO SIT DOWN WITH HIM AND JUST GIVE HIM FEEDBACK.
WELL, WALTER, THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.
UM, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION.
I JUST WANT TO ADD IN THAT TYPICALLY WHEN WE SEE SOMETHING FOR PRE-SUBMISSION, AND HERE AGAIN, WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA BE EVALUATING ONE HOUSE VERSUS TWO
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AND, AND GIVING YOU GUIDANCE ON THAT, BUT TYPICALLY WE'LL SEE A LITTLE MORE MEAT IN THE APPLICATION, THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE, PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, UM, THE, THE SIZE OF THE DRIVEWAY, THE CONFIGURATION WHERE THE HOUSE IS GONNA BE, MAYBE SOME LANDSCAPING AND SOME DRAINAGE ALL PRELIMINARY.BUT IT GIVES US SOME IDEA OF WHAT MIGHT EXIST THERE.
I'M NOT SURE GOING TO THE, EVEN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW WITH JUST A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE MUCH TO EVALUATE.
A AS WE DON'T EITHER, WE'RE SAYING IN CONCEPT, UM, IT SEEMS TO MAKE PERFECT SENSE.
WE DON'T SEEM TO HAVE AN OBJECTION, AT LEAST I HAVEN'T HEARD ONE SO FAR, BUT WE REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH TO LOOK AT EITHER.
SPECIFICALLY, WE'RE GIVING COMMENTS ON LANDSCAPING, UM, LOCATION OF THINGS, THE FLOW, THE UM, DRAINAGE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING TO WORK WITH YET.
I, I, I, MR. HAY, UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, PART OF OUR, OUR CHALLENGE HERE IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, MAKE THE PROPERTY, UH, SUITABLE FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT BY GETTING SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
UM, WE DO HAVE A BUYER, BUT WE DON'T HAVE FROM THE BUYER ANY SPECIFIC PLANS ON WHERE THE HOUSE COULD BE.
WE COULD CREATE A SCHEMATIC AS OTHERS HAVE DONE.
UH, AND I SUGGESTED THAT, UM, TO AARON BEFORE WE SUBMITTED THIS, UH, WHETHER WE SHOULD HAVE, UH, ELLIOT SSON OR, UH, WHO'S OUR, UM, ENGINEER ON THIS, UH, INCLUDE A SCHEMATIC.
AND HE SUGGESTED IT WASN'T NECESSARY FOR THE PRELIMINARY CONFERENCE, SO WE DIDN'T DO ONE.
I I DON'T MEAN TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE YOU DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
I, I BELIEVE THAT TYPICALLY EVEN, UH, WHEN IT'S SOMETHING TO BE BUILT IN THE FUTURE, THE APPLICANT WILL SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ROUGHLY THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE, ROUGHLY WHERE WE PUT IT.
WE MIGHT SAY, OH, A LITTLE FARTHER FROM THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, MORE IN CHARACTER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHATEVER.
WE, WE, WE'VE GLADLY DONE THAT.
BUT THE THRESHOLD ISSUE IS THE ONE THAT I TEED UP, WHICH IS WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T DO THAT.
I'M SURE THE, THE, THE, THE CONTRACT EE, IF I ASK HIM TO, YOU KNOW, TELL ME WHERE ON THE PROPERTY WANTS TO PUT HIS HOUSE, HE CAN TELL US AND WE CAN DRAW THAT SCHEMATIC, BUT WE CAN'T GO FORWARD, UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL WOULD BE CONDITIONED ON A VARIANCE BEING REQUIRED FROM A THIRD PARTY OVER PROPERTY WE DO NOT OWN.
AND THAT IS THE ISSUE WE NEED TO TEE UP WITH THE, WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
SO WHAT I'M HOPING TO COME OUT OF THIS CONFERENCE WITH, UH, UH, MR. SIMON'S, UH, HELPFUL SUGGESTION IS A PATH FORWARD SO THAT WE CAN GO TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, I'LL CONTACT HIM TO FIRST THING TOMORROW MORNING AND SAY, CAN WE MEET, WE HAVE CONSENSUS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD THAT THIS PLAN, IT SEEMS TO BE WORKABLE, BUT WE CAN'T GO FORWARD UNLESS YOU WEIGH IN.
I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A PATH FORWARD AND TO BE ABLE TO CLEAR THIS UP.
UM, SO I HOPE THAT IS A POSSIBILITY.
DAVID, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD HERE? YEAH, I MEAN, UH, AGAIN, WE, THERE WERE DIFFERENT THERE.
WE THOUGHT THERE WERE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THERE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT, YOU KNOW, REGARDING, UH, AARON'S, UH, COMMENT.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD TWO, WE FIGURED THERE WOULD BE AT LEAST SOME SKETCHING OR, OR SOMETHING ALONG THE LINE.
THE IDEA IS LET'S ARRANGE TO HAVE, UM, A FURTHER CONVERSATION WITH, WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, UM, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY NEXT WEEK AND TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO GET YOU TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'RE EITHER GONNA KNOW THAT, HEY, IF YOU SUBMIT A PLAN LIKE THIS, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A VARIANCE OR, OR, AND THESE ARE THE TYPE OF VARIANCES YOU NEED.
UM, MAYBE THEY'LL WANT YOU TO DO A, AT LEAST A ROUGH SKETCH SKETCH JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE OTHER, NOT OTHER VARIANCES, BUT I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH PROPERTY HERE THAT YOU CAN SCHEDULE, YOU COULD DO SOMETHING THAT THAT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.
THE REAL ISSUE IS THAT THE ADJACENT HOUSE AND HOW THAT GOT CARVED OUT AND WHAT ALTERNATIVES YOU HAVE TO, UM, IF POSSIBLE, AVOID A VARIANCE.
CAN DAVID, CAN YOU AND OR AARON AND OR GARRETT HELP FACILITATE, YOU KNOW, THIS MEETING TO, TO MAKE IT HAPPEN? BECAUSE I, I SENSE A LOT OF FRUSTRATION FROM MR. BERNSTEIN AND, UM, MAYBE, UH, MAYBE HAVING SOME STAFF YES.
FACILITATE YES, WOULD MOVE THINGS ALONG AND I DON'T KNOW THE PROCESS AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, AARON WILL BE IN CONTACT WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE.
UH, JUST TO BACKTRACK FOR A SECOND ON, YOU KNOW, MY ALLEGED STATEMENT ABOUT NOT
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HAVING TO PUT TOGETHER, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT OF A SKETCH PLAN.I THINK THE FOCUS FROM MR. BERNSTEIN AND THE DISCUSSIONS I HAVE RELATED TO, YOU KNOW, THIS OUTLIER LOT AND WE DIDN'T REALLY GET INTO DETAIL DISCUSSIONS.
THE ONE THING I DO RECALL SAYING IS THAT YOU DIDN'T NEED A DETAILED PLAN IN ORDER TO COME BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD AS PART OF A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE.
LET'S, LET'S SAY WE HAD A MISCOMMUNICATION.
WE ARE WHERE WE ARE NOW AND I'M HAPPY TO FACILITATE A MEETING WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE AS I'LL BE IN TOMORROW MORNING AND I'LL BEGIN HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS SO WE CAN SET SOMETHING UP.
I'D LOVE TO SEE THIS MOVE AHEAD, GET RESOLVED, GET CLEANED UP AND, YOU KNOW, SEE THAT, UH, APPLICATION WHEN IT COMES IN BECAUSE I DON'T SEE MANY ISSUES AT THIS POINT OKAY.
SO WE WILL, UH, HOPEFULLY, UH, I'M CERTAINLY REACHABLE TOMORROW.
WE CAN TRY TO GET THAT MEETING SCHEDULED.
UH, AND UH, YOU COULD GET TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, ALL THE MATERIALS THAT I'VE FURNISHED TO THE PLANNING BOARD, THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY FURNISHED, UH, I THINK TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
UH, UH, UH, HE WAS COPIED ON COMMUNICATIONS I HAD, UH, WITH GARRETT.
UH, SO THERE'S NOTHING NEW THAT I HAVE TO GIVE HIM THAT HE HASN'T ALREADY RECEIVED, BUT WELL, YEAH, BRING ANOTHER COPY, MAKE SURE HE HAS IT, WHATEVER IT TAKES, WE'LL HAVE THAT MEETING.
BECAUSE WE WANNA BE ABLE TO GET THIS, UH, UH, TO THE NEXT STEP.
AND THE NEXT STEP I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO TELL MY CLIENT AND THE CONTRACTEE WHO I'M SURE ARE BOTH WATCHING THIS, UM, IS, UH, TO MAKE THE FORMAL APPLICATION, ASSUMING WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD, BUT
WE'RE NOT TELLING YOU NOT TO, BUT, WELL, WE CAN'T MAKE IT YET UNTIL WE KNOW WHETHER THERE, I MEAN, YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUT IT ON HOLD BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE'S GONNA BE A VARIANCE REQUIRED.
NO, BUT THEY CAN GIVE YOU A HEADS UP IF THEY, THEY THINK YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE TO MAKE AN APP.
YOU ULTIMATELY HAVE TO MAKE AN APPLICATION BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE TO GET THE FORMAL DETERMINATION, BUT YOU CAN GET RIGHT.
WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET YOU THE, YOU KNOW, AN INFORMAL SENSE AS TO WHAT YOU NEED, BUT IT'S ONLY WHEN YOU GET AN APPLICATION THAT THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, YOU KNOW, UH, DOTS THE I'S AND CROSS THE T'S, DOES HE DO THAT ON AN APPLICATION TO, FOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL? YES.
DOES HE DO THAT ON THE, OKAY, SO, SO THE TEE UP IS THE APPLICATION FOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL IS WHAT WOULD GIVE US THE FORMAL REVIEW RESPONSE FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
THAT'S, THAT TRIGGERS HIS ACTION.
BUT YOU SEEM TO WANT, SO THE INFORMAL, AND ACTUALLY, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAD, WE SCHEDULED THIS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT YOU TO CREATE, SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON PLANS, BOB, HAVE YOUR CLIENT DO THAT, AND THEN ALL OF A SAY, OH NO, IT'S ALL THIS, THIS IS WHY WE, WE, THIS, THIS PROCEDURE AND RIGHT.
IF THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING, I'LL TAKE, YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL TAKE THE FALL FOR THAT, THAT I, I'M, LOOK AS LONG AS WE'RE HERE AND WE CAN GET IT CLARIFIED, THAT'S GREAT.
UM, AND LET'S HOPE TOMORROW WE GET THAT MEETING SET UP FOR EARLY NEXT WEEK WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
WE'LL GET HIM WHATEVER HE WANTS.
WE DO NEED TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS BECAUSE, UH, UH, THIS ENTIRE TRANSACTION, UH, UH, TURNS ON BEING ABLE TO GET IT COMPLETED IN A TIMELY MANNER.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
LET'S, AND, AND WE AGREE AND WE AGREE.
I MEAN THAT WE, WE WANNA MOVE THIS FORWARD.
LIKE, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN VERY MUCH.
UH, AND, AND JUST SO IT'S CLEAR, UH, I THINK IT IS, UM, BECAUSE I KNOW MY CLIENT IS WATCHING AS IS THE CONTRACTEE THAT, UH, NONE OF YOU SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE PLAN AS PROPOSED IN TERMS OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONCEPT OF, WITH THE CONCEPT SUBDIVIDING IN THAT MANNER AND THAT LOCATION? CORRECT.
AND I MEAN, IF YOU'RE, YOUR, YOUR THING IS, THE QUESTION IS WITH RESPECT TO THE FLAG LOT NOW, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT? I, THAT CONCEPT WITH THE FLAG LINE? YES.
AND, AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WE CAN WORK WITH THE CONTRACT EE UH, UH, IF HE'S GOT A BETTER PLAN OR IDEA OF WHERE THE HOUSE WOULD BE SITUATED.
ALTERNATIVELY, UH, ELLIOT CONSISTS PLACE IT WHERE LOGICALLY A HOUSE WOULD BE PLACED GIVEN, UH, THE, THE, THE CONFIGURATION OF THAT OVERSIZED LOT SO AS TO AVOID ANY NEED FOR, UH, VARIANCES WITH RESPECT TO SIDE YARDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I THINK YOU HAVE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY.
YOU KNOW, IT MAY DEPEND IF THERE'S ROCK OUTCROPPINGS, YOU WANT TO AVOID THINGS LIKE THAT, OR WATERCOURSE, I'M NOT SURE.
THE, THE ONLY WATERCOURSE THAT THERE IS, UM, IS AT THE, UM, FOOT OF THE, WHERE THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY WOULD BE.
UM, THIS IS A WATERCOURSE THAT AFFECTS ALL THE PROPERTIES ON CLAYTON ROAD.
AND TYPICALLY WHAT, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE
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DONE THERE IS BUILD A, IT, IT'S PIPED, UM, AND IT, UH, THEY BUILD A BRIDGE OVER IT, UM, WHICH IS WHAT THE, UH, CHOWS DID AT THREE 15 CLAYTON.AND WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNER AT 3 0 5, UH, ALSO HAS DONE.
SO, UH, THAT WOULD ALSO, YOU KNOW, SINCE IT EXISTS, WE'D HAVE TO DISCLOSE IT.
I, WE GET A, UH, NOTIFY THE PLANNING BOARD OF A, A, A WETLANDS, UH, ISSUE AND THAT IT BECOMES A CONDITION OF THE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL THAT THAT IS ADDRESSED.
DO WE HAVE STEEP SLOPE ISSUE? DO WE HAVE POTENTIAL STEEP SLOPE ISSUES? I DON'T THINK SO, BECAUSE THE LOT LOOKS TO ME TO BE FLAT.
UM, AND CERTAINLY THE AREA WHERE YOU WOULD BUILD WOULD BE FLAT.
UM, AND, UH, UH, HOW ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY AND COMING UP AND ALL THAT? ALL, WELL, IT'S FLAT.
IT'S, IT'S, WELL, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE APPLICATION THOUGH, CORRECT? GOOD.
PARDON? THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE APPLICATION IS TO EVALUATE WHETHER THERE IS IMPACT ON STEEP SLOPES.
UH, THAT 'CAUSE THAT'S, IT'S REQUIRED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION.
AND, AND, UH, WE'D ADDRESSED THAT.
UH, ELLIOT WOULD OF COURSE, UH, I HAVE TO SUBMIT IT A, A TOPO TO BE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT.
AND, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I, WE'RE, WE'RE AWARE OF THAT.
WE'RE ANXIOUS TO GET GOING, UM, BUT, UH, WE NEEDED TO, TO HAVE THIS MEETING AND NOW HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET A FIRE LIT AND GET, UH, A DETERMINATION ONE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
MAY I ASK ONE, ONE QUESTION THOUGH? UM, OF COURSE.
HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU EVER CONDITIONED SUBDIVISION APPROVAL ON A VARIANCE BEING GRANTED BY A NON-PARTY FOR PROPERTY THAT THE APPLICANT SEEKING THE SUBDIVISION APPROVAL DOES NOT OWN? WELL, TYPICALLY WE, UH, WELL, IF, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A VARIANCE, UM, I I THINK NOT.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER THEY SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN A SUBDIVISION, THEN YES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE A PARTY TO IT.
AND WE'VE HAD, WE'VE, I'M NOT SUGGESTING YOU NEED THAT HERE, BUT WE'VE HAD SITUATIONS, UH, WE HAVE ONE NOW THAT WE'RE JUST WAITING FOR THE APPLICATION BECAUSE THERE ARE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE IN DISAGREEMENT AND, UH, WE'VE ENCOURAGED THEM TO GET TO HAVE THE OTHER PERSON SIGN ON FOR THE APPLICATION BECAUSE IT MAKES THEIR PROPERTY LEGALIZED TOO.
AND THAT'S, I THINK, WHERE, WHERE OUR CONCERN IS, BOB.
I, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND, AND, AND THIS IS A CONVERSATION FOR ANOTHER DAY, BUT I THINK THAT THE OWNER OF THREE 15 BELIEVES THAT HIS PROPERTY IS LEGAL AND BELIE AND IS RELYING ON THE TOWN'S CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY TO DEMONSTRATE THAT.
SO, TO THAT'S, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA BE IN A POSITION WHERE THE CONDITION THAT'S BEING IMPOSED IS A, IS AN IMPOSSIBILITY BECAUSE WE DON'T OWN THE LAND.
WE DON'T CONTROL THE, THE PRO, THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNER AND WHETHER HE WANTS LAND, 'CAUSE WE WANT TO GIVE IT TO HIM SO WE CAN AVOID A VARIANCE OR WHETHER WE WANNA APPLY, UH, WHETHER WE WANNA GET HIM TO DO AN A VARIANCE.
THESE ARE THINGS WE CANNOT CONTROL.
AND, AND THAT'S WHY'S FOR ANOTHER DAY.
LET'S HOPE IT'S NOT NECESSARY.
I MEAN, THERE MAY BE THAT, THAT AVENUE FOR YOU SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THIS SCHEDULED FOR EARLY NEXT WEEK.
I JUST WANT TO GO ON RECORD, WALTER, NOW DO YOU YES.
HAVE AN HOUR'S WORTH OF STUFF TO TALK ABOUT? I KNOW YOU GUYS, THE MEETING FOR ME WANT TO CONGRATULATE, UH, THE, THE VICE CHAIR.
HE MIGHT HAVE SET A RECORD FOR THE, UH, PLANNING BOARD.
I KNOW WE HAD A COUPLE THINGS GO AWAY AT THE LAST MINUTE.
IT MADE IT, UH, A LITTLE EASIER TO ACCOMPLISH, BUT ALL BUT ALL BUT, BUT ALL THE APPLICATION, NOT JUST IN TERMS OF TIMING, BUT THE WAY THE WHOLE MEETING FLOWED AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE WAY YOU MOVE THINGS ALONG.
I THINK YOU DID EXCELLENT JOB.
SO, ALRIGHT, WELL, IT'S COMING FROM YOU AND YOUR EXPERIENCE.
BYE MON, GREAT TO SEE YOU TO THE END.