[ FINAL TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, September 7, 2022 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
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IF THAT'S OKAY, HUGH, I'LL, I'LL ADMIT.
WE'LL, WE'LL DO THE BEST WE CAN.
TELL SYLVIA SHE'S GOTTA STAY UP TILL PROBABLY AT LEAST 9 45.
JUST A REMINDER TO PLEASE KEEP YOUR MIC MUTED UNTIL CALLED UPON THE SPEAK.
GEORGE, I BELIEVE IS READY FOR US IN THE AUDITORIUM.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN RECORDING IN PROGRESS.
SO CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ, WE'RE ALL SET.
GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO OUR FIRST ALMOST FALL MEETING OF THE, UH, PLANNING BOARD.
UM, MR. SCHMIDT, WILL YOU CALL THE ROLES PLEASE? CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ.
MS. DAVIS WOULD BE A FULL VOTING MEMBER THIS EVENING BECAUSE BOARD MEMBERS, HEY, GOLDEN AND FRAY TAG ARE NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
AND MR. ESCUDOS, COULD YOU PLEASE MUTE YOUR MIC? YES.
DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? NO.
IF NO ONE HAD CHANGES, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
CAN SOMEBODY SPEAK UP AND GIVE ME THAT MOTION PLEASE? PROBABLY OFF OF MUTE.
WE HAD TWO PIECES OF CORRESPONDENCE.
I THINK MATT, UH, MR. SCHMIDT, WHO'S GONNA HANDLE THE, THE TWO PIECES OF, UH, CORRESPONDENCE.
SO FIRST OFF, WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR EXTENSION OF PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL FOR CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 34.
THAT'S KNOWN AS THE SHAW SUBDIVISION 25 THOMAS STREET.
THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT IN GETTING THEIR REVIEW COMPLETED.
UH, IT TURNS OUT IT WAS FINALIZED, UM, AND SHOULD BE ENDORSED SOON.
THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION REQUEST EXTENSION WAS DATED AUGUST 22ND.
SO IT WILL BE, WOULD BE A RETROACTIVE EXTENSION FOR 90 DAYS.
THEY DO BELIEVE THEY'LL BE WELL WITHIN THAT TIME PERIOD TO COME BACK FOR FINAL.
UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE EXTENSION? SO, MOVE SECOND.
THE SECOND PIECE OF CORRESPONDENCE, OTHER EXTENSION, SECOND PIECE OF CORRESPONDENCE RELATES TO CASE NUMBER PB 15 DASH 22, WHICH WAS KNOWN AS THE BAUM OR MULLIGAN LANE SUBDIVISION.
UM, SO YOU MAY RECALL THAT EARLIER THIS SUMMER, THE APPLICANT CAME BEFORE, OR THE DEVELOPER CAME BEFORE THIS BOARD TO GET AN EXTENSION OF ITS ROCK REMOVAL PERMIT.
THEY ASKED FOR AN ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS.
THE BOARD GRANTED THEM AN ADDITIONAL 30 CALENDAR DAYS THAT HAS SINCE LAPSED.
THEY'RE TRANSITIONING INTO ADDITIONAL DEVELOP, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT OF ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL LOTS WITHIN THAT SUBDIVISION AND ARE STATE, THEY HAVE ENCOUNTERED QUITE A BIT OF ROCK ON THAT SITE.
UH, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN A LOT OF COMPLAINTS.
THEY'VE, UM, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWED ALL THE PROTOCOLS.
THEY'VE STOPPED WHEN THEY'VE RAN OUT OF TIME.
UH, BUT HE IS IN THIS CASE ASKING FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION TO, TO GRANT A A 30 WORKING DAY EXTENSION ACROSS 90 CALENDAR DAYS BECAUSE THEY DON'T SHIP CONSECUTIVELY.
SO IF YOU START THE CLOCK TOMORROW AND THEY GOT 30 DAYS, HE SAYS, HEY, I'M GONNA BE BACK IN 31 DAYS TO GET ANOTHER EXTENSION.
STAFF DOESN'T DISAGREE WITH IT.
THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WOULD BE OKAY WITH IT SUBJECT TO PROPER REPORTING BY THE DEVELOPER AND ITS ROCK REMOVAL CONTRACTOR SUBJECT TO THE PLANNING BOARD'S GRANTING OF THE REQUEST.
THE O THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT IT IS, I MEAN,
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90 DAYS.HOW LONG HAS HE HAD SO FAR TO, TO DO THE, THE CHIPPING FROM THE TIME OF APPROVAL? HE'S HAD 60 CALENDAR DAYS.
UH, HE HASN'T SHIPPED 60 DAYS.
SO, AND HOW MUCH OF IT DOES HE THINK, THINK HE'S GOTTEN DONE, DONE, DONE ON IN THAT 60 DAYS? WELL, LOT NUMBER ONE WAS, LOT NUMBER ONE.
AND THE ROAD TO HIS KNOWLEDGE WERE THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES.
THE ROAD IS DONE, LOT ONE IS ALMOST DONE.
UH, I WAS UP THERE A FEW WEEKS AGO 'CAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THE, THE TREES PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL IN CONNECTION WITH THE NEXT LOTS, AND HE DOES HAVE TO CHIP FOR THE GARAGE.
UM, THEY ACTUALLY RAISED THE, WITH APPROVAL FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THEY WERE ABLE TO REWORK THE FOUNDATION AND THE ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE BECAUSE IT WOULD'VE TAKEN THEM SO MUCH LONGER TO CHIP DOWN TO THE ELEVATION THAT THEY HAD HAD ON THE APPROVED PLANS.
SO THEY WANT TO FINISH UP IN LOT ONE AND THEN THE LOTS THREE AND FOUR, WHICH THEY INTEND TO CONSTRUCT NEXT.
THEY DO BELIEVE THERE'S FAR LESS ROCK BECAUSE IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.
MY ONLY CONCERN IS FOR THE NEIGHBORS JUST DRAGGING THIS OUT FOR MONTHS ON END.
I KNOW IF, IF, IF I WERE GONNA HEAR ROCK CHIPPING, I D D DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT FOR THE REST OF REST OF MY, UH, LIVING TIME THERE AND I'M, I'M CONCERNED IF WE GIVE HIM TOO MUCH TIME OKAY.
THAT, HEY, WE'LL DRAG IT OUT FOR 90 DAYS.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD HAVE A COMMENT ON, ON THIS? UM, WALTER, AND THEN CORRECT.
I THINK THE CONCEPT, I THINK THE CONCEPT IS A VALID CONCEPT.
WHETHER OR NOT YOU, WHETHER OR NOT WE SAY 30 WORKDAY AND 90, UH, TOTAL.
I THINK IT'S A VERY, TO ME IT'S A VERY VIABLE CONCEPT BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ACTUAL DAYS YOU HAVE OF CHIPPING.
SO TO SAY YOU COULD CHIP A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DAYS WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD.
WALTER, WALTER, YOU JUST WENT ON MUTE, WALTER.
GO AHEAD TO SAY YOU HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DAYS TO ACTUAL CHIP WITHIN A PERIOD.
I THINK IT MAKES SENSE FOR EVERYONE BECAUSE YOU, YOU REALLY CAN'T PREDICT AHEAD OF TIME HOW MANY CHIP DAYS YOU ACTUALLY HAVE.
BUT THEN, AND AGAIN, I AGREE WITH YOU Q YOU DON'T WANT THIS TO GO ON AND ON AND ON, BUT IN THE REAL SENSE, IF A SUPPLIER COMES IN AND THEY'RE CHIPPING AWAY, YOU SEE THEY'RE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS AND THEY NEED MORE TIME TO DO IT, ARE WE REALLY GONNA TELL THAT SUPPLIER, UH, THAT CONTRACTOR? NO.
WHEN THEY'RE MAKING GOOD PROJECT PRO PROGRESS, THEY'RE ABIDING BY ALL THE RULES AND THEY COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, UNFORESEEN AMOUNT OF FRAUD.
SO WHAT IS THE THE REASONABLE THING FOR US TO DO? WE GIVE THEM EXTRA TIME.
I I I DON'T, I DON'T QUESTION GIVING THEM EXTRA TIME.
MY QUESTION IS WHETHER WE SHOULD BE GIVING HIM 90 DAYS, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, CORRECT? YEAH.
I THINK MY CONCERN IS THAT ARE THEY, IF THEY HAVE NOT ASSESSED THE WORK, WHICH USUALLY, UH, POST-CONTRACT DO THAT BY DOING THE MM-HMM.
AND SO THAT IS ONE QUESTION ABOUT THEIR, UH, SORT OF PROFESSIONAL ABILITY.
AND SO THAT GIVES ME TO THE, ANOTHER, UH, CONCERN IS THAT IF THEY 90 DAYS, IF THEY DON'T FINISH, ARE WE GOING TO NOT GIVE THEM ADDITIONAL TIME? RIGHT.
AND SO, AND IF OTHER 30 DAYS OR THEN I THINK YOU ARE COMING, YOU, YOU ARE GOING INTO A HOLIDAY SEASON.
THAT 90 DAYS AND THEN GOING TO BE ANOTHER, I DON'T KNOW, 30 DAYS, 60 DAYS AND THEN, UH, I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S SORT OF, UH, AND THEN IT'S WINTER.
IT ALSO, IT'S NOT ONLY HOLIDAYS SINCE IT'S WINTER TOO.
DOES, DOES, MAKES IT HARDER TO SHIP.
WANNA CONSIDER MAYBE GIVING THEM 60, 30 WORKING DAYS ACROSS 60 CALENDAR DAYS.
I WANT TO HEAR WHAT IF, UH, JOHANN THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT SUGGESTION.
I WANT TO HEAR IF JOHANN OR LESLIE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ON THIS? YEAH, MY THOUGHTS.
UH, AARON IS ACTUALLY CONVEYED IT 60 DAYS AND THAT WOULD BE MORE THAN ENOUGH.
ANY COMMENT ON THIS? 30 DAYS AT
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A TIME AND THEY NEED TO, I JUST THINK THEY NEED TO MAYBE BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONCRETE IN THEIR PLANNING AS CORT SAID.OKAY, WE HAVE TWO, TWO OPTIONS HERE.
I HEARD 30 DAYS AND I HEARD 60 DAYS, 30 CALENDAR DAYS, LESLIE IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES.
SO THAT WOULD BE ONE A 30 WORKING DAYS, WHICH WOULD BE PROBABLY 60 CALENDAR SIX WEEKS.
SO WE'RE SPLITTING THE DIFFERENCE.
I, LET ME ASK YOU THIS, THIS, I, I THINK I WANT, LET ME ENTER, ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
LET, LET ME DO A DROP POLL FIRST.
WHO WOULD PREFER THE 30 WORKING DAYS AND 60 DAYS VERSUS 30 WORKING DAYS? YEAH.
FIRST THAT VERSUS 30, 30 WORKING DAYS OR AGREEMENT TO THAT AND, UM, SIX WEEKS, WHATEVER THAT IS.
WHICH DO YOU PREFER, WALTER? I PREFER THE 30 60.
I THINK CONSIDERING THAT WE ARE REALLY SPLITTING ABOUT 15 DAYS, IT'S NOT REALLY IMPORTANT.
SO I THINK WE'LL JUST GIVE A BENEFIT OF DOUBT AND WHAT AARON SUGGESTED THAT, UH, PROBABLY THE STAFF WILL
SO YOU, YOUR AGREEMENT WITH THE 60 JOHANN? UH, THE 60.
LESLIE? I STAY WHERE I'M, BUT IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S 15 DAYS DIFFERENT.
I, I ACTUALLY, I THINK WE, WE SHOULD GIVE THEM THE 60.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD THINK AS WELL.
UH, ALTHOUGH I, I CAN MAKE A GOOD ARGUMENT FOR WHAT LESLIE SAID FOR BEING BECAUSE, AND WHAT CHRIS SAID, I, I AM SHOCKED THAT THEY RAN INTO ALL THIS EXTRA ROCK AND WERE SURPRISED THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN.
I THINK IT'S VERY DISAPPOINTING.
COULD I HAVE A MOTION THEN TO APPROVE THE EXTENSION FOR 30 WORKING DAYS UP TO 60 CALENDAR DAYS? SO SECOND, UH, JOHANN AND YOU SECONDED? YEAH.
IS THAT AN AYE, LESLIE? YOU CAN MOVE.
OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON FROM THAT.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS IN, IN, UH, CORRESPONDENCE, AARON? NO.
THERE WERE SOME OTHER MATTERS, BUT THEY'RE NOT ON THIS EVENING.
UM, THERE WAS A RESPONSE FROM MR. ESCALADES ON A DIFFERENT PROJECT.
WE'LL GET TO THAT WHEN THAT PROJECT RETURNED.
THE OTHER ITEMS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THIS EVENING, SO WE'LL TOUCH BASE ON THOSE.
THEN LET'S, THEN WHY DON'T WE MOVE ON THEN.
AS SOON AS I FIND MY PEN, WE'LL MOVE ON.
SO LET'S GO INTO OLD BUSINESS THEN.
UH, THE FIRST, UH, CASE IS, UH, CASE PB NINE DASH 12 B H A CONSULTANTS, UH, SIX AT 66 BEACH STREET.
UH, WE'VE SEEN THIS CASE OVER THE YEARS, UH, BACK TO BACK FOR A BUNCH OF YEARS NOW, I GUESS TO 2000, 2009 IT STARTED.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
GEEZ, IT'S A, IT WAS A, UH, IF YOU RECALL, IT WAS A, I BELIEVE FI FIVE FIVE HOUSE, UH, CONDO COMPLEX, RIGHT? FIVE MINUTES.
AND IF, IF YOU RECALL THE, THE SPACE, IT WAS FAIRLY TIGHT EVEN BACK WHEN WE ORIGINALLY APPROVED IT.
UM, THERE WAS VERY LITTLE SPACE IN THE BACK, BACK OF THE PROPERTY AS I RECALL.
UM, AND AARON CAN PULL, PULL UP AND DESCRIBE WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR NOW.
SO AS, AS THE CHAIR DESCRIBED, IT'S A FIVE UNIT ATTACHED TOWNHOUSE, MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND EXTENSIONS WERE GRANTED, BUT THE APPLICANT, SO THIS HAS CHANGED HANDS NOW.
THERE WAS THE ORIGINAL APPLICANT THAT GOT THE APPROVAL.
IT WAS BOUGHT BY SOMEONE ELSE WHO DID NOT DEVELOP IT.
AND NOW THERE'S A NEW BUYER THAT IS EAGER TO DEVELOP IT AND IS IN THE PROCESS OF CLEARING THE SITE, GETTING INITIAL GRADING DONE.
UH, THE CONTRACTOR APPROACHED THE TOWN AND SAID, HEY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, AS WE ASSESS THE SITE HERE, WE HAVE THESE TWO TREES THAT I'VE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
THEY'RE SHOWN TO BE PRESERVED ON THE APPROVED PLANS OF THE TOWN.
THEY'RE, UM, LARGE DIAMETER SILVER MAPLE TREES.
THE PLANS I CAN SEE, SAY OAK, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY SILVER MAPLE TREES.
UM, THEY'RE IN FAIR CONDITION.
AND HOWEVER, THIS NEAREST CORNER OF THE, THE BUILDING IS WITHIN 15 FEET.
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INTO THIS AREA SO EVERYONE CAN KIND OF SEE A LITTLE BIT.SO WHAT I DID WAS THIS DIMENSION HERE FROM THIS LINE ACROSS TO THIS LINE IS 14 FEET.
SO IF YOU TAKE THAT AND YOU GO FROM THIS CORNER TO THE TREE, IT'S ONLY A LITTLE BIT MORE, IT'S UNDER 20 FEET, MAYBE 15 FEET.
THESE ARE LARGE TREES AND THIS ONE'S NOT THAT MUCH FURTHER, RIGHT? THEY HAVE AN UNDERGROUND, UH, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
BUT, UM, THE BOARD AT THE LAST MEETING SAID, HEY, LOOK, YOU KNOW, THOSE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE PRESERVED AND WE HAD A MINIMUM WANT TO HEAR FROM A CERTIFIED ARBORIST, UH, ON THIS.
SO MR. ESCALADES WAS ABLE TO, UH, GET A CERTIFIED ARBORIST TO ASSESS THE TREES.
AND WE DISCUSSED THE POTENTIAL FOR, YOU KNOW, REPLANTING IF THE TREES WERE TO BE REMOVED.
BUT THE BOARD WANTED TO HEAR FROM, UH, THE ARBORIST AND FROM MR. ESCALADES.
SO I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO MR. ESCALADES AT THIS TIME.
I MEAN, THIS IS A OBVIOUSLY TIGHT TO BEGIN WITH.
SO WHAT HAS CHANGED IN GIVING PEOPLE THE NINE, 11 YEARS HAS CHANGED? MAYBE THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT SURE.
I, I THINK WE LIVE OUR LIVES BASED ON FEAR.
AND THIS IS A PARTICULAR CASE THAT BRINGS THAT OUT.
WHEN YOU GO OUT THERE AND YOU STAND NEXT TO THIS MIGHTY TREE AND YOU REALIZE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DESTROYING ABOUT 30 TO 40%, IF NOT 50% OF THE TREE ROOTS, UH, FOR BOTH TREES AND THE NEARNESS OF THE TREES AND THE WEIGHT OF THE BRANCHES, UH, AND THE AGE OF THE TREES, THERE ARE OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.
ONE OF THE TREES AS DESCRIBED IN THE LETTER THAT I SENT TO AARON, NOW I'M GONNA READ IT IF YOU CARE, BUT IT'S BASICALLY SAYING ONE TREE SHOULD GO, IT'S GOT WEAKNESSES, IT SHOULD BE SACRIFICED.
THE OTHER ONE, UH, WHEN, WHEN THE ARBORIST WAS THERE VERBALLY, HE TOLD ME BOTH OF 'EM HAVE TO HAVE TO COME DOWN BECAUSE THE TREE ROOT DAMAGE WILL BE SIGNIFICANT IN HIS REPORT.
HOWEVER, AND I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T COACH HIM IN ANY WAY.
HE SAYS THAT MAYBE THE SECOND ONE CAN BE TRIMMED.
I DON'T AGREE WITH IT, BUT THIS IS WHAT HE GAVE ME.
I'M NOT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WHICH WAS THE SECOND ONE.
THE ONE TO THE RIGHT, THE FURTHEST ONE TO THE RIGHT IS THE ONE THAT HE BELIEVES CAN BE TRIMMED IN THE CORNER, IN THE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.
EVEN THOUGH THAT'S ACTUALLY PROBABLY CLOSER TO THE FOUNDATION THAN THE OTHER ONE.
AND I SENT HIM A FOUNDATION PLAN AND I MADE SURE I EXPLAINED THAT TO HIM.
YEAH, I TOLD, I TOLD HIM ABOUT THE DRAINAGE ALSO, WHEN THE DRAINAGE IS EVEN DEEPER THAN THE FOUNDATION AND, AND, AND IT, IT GOES BEYOND THE LIMIT OF WHERE THAT LINE IS BECAUSE THERE'S GRAVEL THAT HAS TO BE PLACED AROUND IT.
SO IT'S EASILY ANOTHER 24 INCHES BEYOND THE WALL LINE OF THE, OF THE DRAINAGE STRUCTURE.
SO, UM, HE'S NOT A CONSTRUCTION MAN.
HE'S TRYING TO SAY TREES THAT HIS IS, AND HE MAY BE WANTING TO TEST THE BRANCHES AS THE, AS THE LETTER SAYS, TO SEE HOW HOW BAD THE, THE DAMAGE TO, TO THAT CORNER TREE IS.
'CAUSE HE MENTIONS IT IS, IT IS, UH, UH, IT, IT HAS SOME DAMAGE DUE TO PRUNING AND SO ON.
BUT I, I, I APPEAL, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS GONE OUT THERE AND SEEN THE EXTREME HEIGHT AND THE POSSIBILITY OF, UH, OF DANGER.
MY, MY THING HERE IS, UH, I'M THE ARCHITECT OF RECORD.
I'M CONCERNED, UM, AS YOU KNOW, THE LITIGATION IS VERY, IT'S FOREVER ARCHITECTS OUR TARGET UNTIL THEY DIE.
AND I'M WORRIED THAT THESE TWO TREES, UH, WELL ONE, IF YOU AGREE AS THE, UH, AS THE, UH, AS THE ARBORIST FROM OLMSTED SAID IT SHOULD BE REMOVED.
I'M JUST GONNA QUICKLY READ WHAT HE SAID.
THAT'S THE ONE ON THE LEFT DUE TO THE VISIBLE, VISIBLE DEFECTS OBSERVED ACTIVITY AND CONSTRUCTION THAT MAY TAKE PLACE IN THIS AREA, AS WELL AS THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES NEAR THIS LARGE MATURE TREE.
IT IS MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT THIS TREE BE REMOVED AT THIS TIME TO REMOVE THE RISK OF FAILURE AND, AND MAKE, WELL, THAT'S A WRONG ENGLISH HERE.
AND MAY, THAT MAY, OH NO, OKAY.
THAT MAY CAUSE HARM OR DAMAGE.
SO, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE HAD TOLD ME.
THEN THE SECOND ONE, HE, HE HESITATES TO SAY, TO CUT IT DOWN.
UH, IT'S A QUICK, I'M GONNA READ IT AGAIN.
UH, RECOMMENDATION FOR THE SECOND TREAT, PRUNE TO THIN CROWN FOR STRUCTURE, MEANING LESSEN THE AMOUNT OF AIR RESISTANCE, PRUNE THE CLEAN CROWN OF DEAD BRANCHES.
THERE'S, THERE'S A FEW DEAD BRANCHES AND HE CLAIMS ONE INCH IN DIAMETER OR LARGER.
WELL, SOME OF THEM ARE LARGER THAN THAT.
I SAW FOUR INCHES AND EVALUATE DECAYED AREAS.
UH, SO HE'S ASSUMING, AND HE'S SEEING, AND HE'S SAYING THAT THERE ARE DECAYED AREAS, UM, A PRUNING CUT WITH, UH, WITH A CLIMBER, WITH A GENTLEMAN CLIMBING, UH, AND WITH A RESISTANT RECORDING DRILL TESTING FOR EVALUATION.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, HE'S TRYING TO BE, UM, HE'S TRYING TO
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BE ON THE TREE SIDE AND YET HE, BY HE'S IMPLYING THAT THERE MAY BE MUCH MORE DECAY IN THE TREE.I THINK IT'S, IT'S A VALID EFFORT ON HIS PART.
HE IS A, HE, HE, HE'S A PROFESSIONAL AND HE WANTS TO SAVE TREES.
I WANNA SAVE ANY POSSIBLE DAMAGE AND MAY BE LIVES I CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
SO THAT'S IT, THAT'S MY POSITION, I HOPE.
WELL, WHAT CONCERNS ME, WHAT I THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS PICTURE UP, AARON, BECAUSE I LOOK AT THE TWO HOUSES TO THE RIGHT.
THE, THE, THE ROOTS ON THE LEFT SIDE, THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE, WHICH WOULD LEAD ME TO BELIEVE THAT IT'S GONNA LEAN TOWARD, IF IT'S GONNA GO DOWN, IT'S GONNA GO DOWN THE OTHER WAY.
IT COULD FILL IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
BECAUSE THE ANCHORING ROOTS ARE THE ROOTS ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF IT.
UM, THE OTHER THING TO NOTE, AND AND CHAIR, IF I MAY, I, I KNOW JUST WANTS TO SPEAK, BUT WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS IN THE PRE-MEETING THAT WE HAD, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT WAS GREAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO PRESERVING THESE TREES BACK, YOU KNOW, 12, 13 YEARS AGO WHEN IT MOVED THROUGH THE BOARD AT THAT TIME.
AND UNDER A DIFFERENT TREE ORDINANCE, UNDER THE CURRENT TREE ORDINANCE.
THEY WOULD NOT BE PRESERVING THESE TREES.
THEY WOULD BE PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL BASED ON THE ROOT DISTURBANCE AND DAMAGE THAT IS UNAVOIDABLE BASED ON THE DESIGN THAT WAS APPROVED.
AARON, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION THOUGH.
GIVEN HOW CLOSE THE CONSTRUCTION IS TO THAT AREA, IS IT EVEN POSSIBLE TO REPLACE THAT WITH ANY SUBSTANTIAL, THOSE TREES IN THAT, IN THAT LOCATION WITH ANYTHING SUBSTANTIAL THAT WOULD BE SAFE? SO MY THOUGHT IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE DO PROVIDE SOME SCREENING AND HOWEVER THEY'RE DECIDUOUS TREES.
SO IN, YOU KNOW, FOR FIVE TO SIX MONTHS OF THE YEAR, THEY'RE LEAF, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WITHOUT LEAVES.
I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PLANT SOME EVERGREENS, UM, AND MIX IN, YOU KNOW, SOME MEDIUM.
I, I SPOKE WITH MR. ESTIS ABOUT THIS.
I THINK FOR SCREENING TO PROVIDE SOME SCREENING AND SOME HEIGHT.
YOU CAN PLANT GREEN GIANT ARBORVITAES, THEY DON'T GET SUPER WIDE.
THEY WILL GET 30 TO 40 FEET TALL, BUT THEY DON'T GET HUGE LIMBS LIKE THIS WHERE THEY'RE TOWERING OVER.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE ROOT SYSTEMS THOUGH? HOW FAR ARE ROOT? NO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY COMPACT, WHICH IS NICE.
AND THEN, AND SO THEY WON'T INTERFERE WITH THE UNDERGROUND DRAINAGE.
THEY WON'T INTERFERE WITH THE FOUNDATIONAL WALLS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THEN IN THE FAR CORNER, I THINK WE COULD PLANT A DECIDUOUS NATIVE TREE BECAUSE THE SILVER MAPLE IS A NATIVE TREE.
AND IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY, WHICH I THINK THERE IS, TO PLANT A NEW NATIVE TREE, SUCH AS I SUGGESTED TO MR. ESCALADES THAT A BLACK GUM TREE, WHICH IS A SLOW GROWING NATIVE TREE THAT ALSO DOESN'T GET ENORMOUS LIMBS, BUT IT'S A MEDIUM SIZED TREE, IT'LL GROW TO 30 OR 40 FEET OVER TIME, UH, IS AN OPPORTUNITY IN THIS AREA THAT I WOULD SUGGEST THE BOARD CONSIDER.
I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM, UH, OTHER, SOME, OTHER PEOPLE ON THE BOARD ON THIS.
AND ANYBODY RAISE YOUR HAND CUR, GO AHEAD AND THEN LESLIE.
SO LESLIE, YOU GO, OH, WESLEY, YOU FIRST THEN.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T SEE YOUR HAND.
SO, SO I HEARD AARON SAY THAT THIS TREE IS OF CLOSE TO A HUNDRED OR OVER A HUNDRED AND WHAT IS THE LIFESPAN? 'CAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS MAYBE ABOUT 1 30, 1 40.
SO IS IT AT THE END OF ITS LIFESPAN ANYWAY, SO IT'S IN THE LAST QUARTER OF ITS LIFECYCLE FOR CERTAIN, YEAH.
SO, AND IT'S STARTING TO DECLINE.
UM, I THINK, UH, UH, I, UH, WELL, MY, MY FIRST QUESTION TO AARON, WHAT IS A, UH, KIND OF THE PRISON CODE REQUIRES FOR REPLACE DE REPLACEMENT OF THE, THIS SIZE OF THE TREES? HOW MANY TREES IT SHOULD EQUIVALENT TO BE REPLACED? UH, SO IT'S NOT, THERE ARE CALCULATIONS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE.
SO IT'S NOT JUST, OH, IT'S TWO FOR ONE OR IT'S THREE FOR ONE, OR IT'S ONE FOR ONE.
WHAT THE BOARD COULD, IF IT WERE AGREEABLE TO PERMITTING THE REMOVAL, IT COULD REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO, UM, FILE THE APPROPRIATE PAPERWORK, WHICH WE WOULD REQUIRE ANYWAY AND COMPLY WITH THE CURRENT STANDARDS FOR REPLACEMENT.
I WOULD, I WOULD SUSPECT THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE TWO TREES BASED ON THEIR CONDITION WOULD WARRANT THREE OR FOUR NEW TREES TO
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BE PLANTED DEPENDING ON WHICH SPECIES AND ARE SELECTED.AND, AND IF THERE IS NOT A ROOM TO PLANT IN THE SAME SITE, THE TOWN GETS A CREDIT TO PLANT SOME OTHER PLACE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THE, THE WAY THE CODE READS, MAY I LET AARON ANSWER PLEASE? THE WAY THE CODE READS IS THAT, UM, IF THE SITE CANNOT ACCOMMODATE THAT, THE APPLICANT COULD PLANT ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, PLANT AS MANY TREES AS YOU CAN TO TRY AND GET IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE, OTHERWISE PLANT SHRUBS OR SOME OTHER PLANT MATERIAL BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO SEE THE AREA OR THE VICINITY OF WHERE THE TREES ARE BEING REMOVED, REPLENISHED WITH VEGETATION VERSUS ACCEPTING, HEY, YEAH, WE CAN PLANT AT SOME TOWN OWNED PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO, UM, IN THIS CASE, THERE ARE TREES GOING BACK INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY, OTHERWISE THAT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY.
BUT I'VE SPOKEN WITH MR. ESCALADES AND HE CAN SPEAK FOR HIMSELF AND HIS CLIENT, BUT, UH, THEY'RE AGREEABLE TO REPLANTING AT THE INSTRUCTION OF THE TOWN.
YEAH, A ABSOLUTELY, I'VE HOPE, UH, SHARED THIS CONCERN WITH THE OWNER AND THE OWNER SAYS WHATEVER THE TOWN SEEMS THAT THEY WANT AND WHAT THEY THINK IS APPROPRIATE, I WILL, UH, I WILL ABSOLUTELY, UH, DO, HE'S VERY MUCH WORRIED FOR THE DANGEROUS SITUATION, THAT'S ALL.
AND HE IS GIMME CAR BLANCHE ON THAT.
ANYBODY, ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD HAVE A COMMENT ON THIS, WALTER? YEAH, YEAH.
INITIALLY I WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF TAKING DOWN THE TREE.
I THINK THE KEY POINT WAS THAT WHAT AARON MADE, THAT UNDER THE CURRENT CODE, UH, TREE CODE, THOSE TREES WILL PROBABLY BE REMOVED.
NOW WE SPENT A LOT OF YEARS DEVELOPING THAT CODE, SO I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE EV EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO FOLLOW IT.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD FOLLOW THE CODE AND WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHAT IS, WOULD BE THE REQUIREMENT FOR PLANTING TREES OR REPLACEMENT TREES ON THAT PROPERTY.
I THINK THAT SHOULD BE OUR PRIMARY GOAL, UH, THOUGH, UH, RATHER, AND, AND YOU WOULD ALWAYS HAVE THE SECONDARY GOAL TO PLANT ELSEWHERE, BUT I, I PREFER TO PUT THAT ON THE SIDELINE AND REALLY MAKE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO PLANT AS, AS MANY REPLACEMENT TREES THAT IS REQUIRED BY THE COAT.
JOHANN, DID YOU EVER ANY COMMENT ON THIS OR? YEAH, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH, WITH WALTER ON FINDING THE REPLACEMENTS THAT COULD, UH, BE ON, IT'S NOT GONNA BE IMMEDIATE, THE THE, UM, UH, IN, IN COMPARISON TO THE A HUNDRED YEAR PLUS TREE THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW.
BUT IF WE'RE THINKING LONG LONGEVITY AND SUSTAINABILITY AND THE FACT THAT IT'S GOING TO BE DEAD IN, UH, YOU KNOW, 20 OR A LITTLE BIT MORE YEARS, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT REPLACEMENTS ANYWAY.
SO WHY NOT DO IT AT, AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
THAT, THAT, THAT PROJECT THERE IS DONE IS BEING DONE VERY, VERY WELL.
AND THE TREES, IF WE ARE WISE, PUTTING THE TREES IN THE FRONT, IT, IT, IT NOT ONLY THE BUILDING, BUT THE, THE, THE, UH, THE GREENERY, THAT'S WHAT COULD BE PROPOSED WILL CHANGE THAT WHOLE BLOCK.
IT'S A VERY, IT'S, IT'S GONNA CHANGE THAT WHOLE BLOCK, THIS PROJECT.
AND I THINK WE CAN, WITH, WITH AARON'S GUIDANCE, UH, I THINK WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT.
AMELIA, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD ONCE YOU'VE MADE THE SALE TO NO, BUT I, I REALLY LIKE THIS PROJECT
BUT WE HAVE A HUGE AGENDA TONIGHT THAT I'D LIKE TO GET.
I'LL SHUT UP AND LET, LET WALTER HAVE HIS WINE.
I I JUST HAVE A QUICK, UH, COMMENT, UH, THAT WHAT IS THE PLAN? THE APPLICANT HAS TO MAINTAIN THE TREES AS THIS ONE? THE, THE REASON THAT THEY CAME BACK, ONE OF THE REASON WAS THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN AND IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO TAKE IT DOWN.
SO I WANTED TO, AND OF COURSE AARON WOULD BE, UH, YOU HAVE TO CONVINCE AARON THAT THERE IS A SUFFICIENT PROVISION TO MAINTAIN AND IF IT NEEDS TO BE THREE NEEDS TO BE REMOVED, THERE IS A, THERE IS A WAY THAT PLAN, SO YOU CAN MOVE IT.
AND, UH, AND, AND SO JUST PRO PROVIDE US A PLAN TO MAINTAIN AND, UH, UH, INSTALL THE NEW TREES.
AND, AND I'M AND, AND I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT GRIT BECAUSE UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I TOOK INTO ACCOUNT WHEN I STARTED TO THINK ABOUT REPLACEMENTS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THEM PLANT TREES THAT ARE GONNA GROW TO THIS SIZE 50, 70 YEARS AND LEAVE A MESS DOWN THE ROAD.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE THEM PLANT MEDIUM GROWING TREES THAT WILL FUNCTION FOR
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THE SCREENING PURPOSES AND FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL REPLENISHMENT, BUT NOT TURN INTO TOWERING TREES THAT ARE GONNA BE A PROBLEM FOR MAINTENANCE OR ACCESS DOWN THE ROAD.BUT AARON, ISN'T, ISN'T THAT EVEN THE MEDIUM SIZE NEED A PROVISION TO REPLACE OR TO MAINTAIN? YES, 100%.
DO WE, DO WE HAVE IN, WHEN WE WRITE THIS UP? COULD, COULD WE WRITE IT UP FOR THAT? WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD SUGGESTING HERE IS TURNING THIS OVER TO THE TREE OFFICER.
UM, TO, TO FINISH TO GET THE LANDSCAPE PLAN CORRECT.
THE ONE THING, AARON, I WOULD ALSO CONSIDER WHEN WE DO THIS, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED SOME ESCROW MO MONEY FOR MAIN MAINTENANCE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF BOND PERFORMANCE BOND OR WHATEVER WE DO WITH, WITH THAT TO BE ENSURED THAT THESE TREES ARE PROPERLY MAINTAINED.
SO UNDER THE CODE, IT, IT OBLIGATES THE APPLICANT TO MAINTAIN THEM ANYWAY, SO THEY WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THE TREE ORDINANCE.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DON'T DO COUNTER CHARGES THEM END, THEY END UP IN COURT WITH SIGNIFICANT FINES.
THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED TO KNOW.
AND, AND REPLACEMENT BEYOND THE FINES.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UM, TAKING DOWN OF THESE TWO TREES.
REVISE THE, UH, SITE PLAN TO DO THAT, UM, WITH THE PROVISO THAT WE TURN THIS OVER TO OUR TREE OFFICER FOR FINAL APPROVAL OF A REPLANTING PROGRAM AND THEY WILL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT.
CAN I HAVE THAT MOTION FROM SOMEBODY PLEASE? ALL MOVED.
SECOND LESLIE AND THEN JOHANN.
AND MAY WE, MAY I SUGGEST IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH CHAPTER TWO 60? YES.
SO IS AS AMENDED THAT WAY? ALL OPPOSED? OKAY.
MR. ESTIS, JUST REACH OUT TO ME TOMORROW 'CAUSE WE'LL NEED YOU TO FILE THE APPLICATION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP.
OKAY, NEXT CASE, UH, ALL BUSINESS AGAIN.
UM, IS THERE A A TIME WE HAVE TO START THE PUBLIC HEARING BY OR, OR A MINIMUM TIME FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? NO, NO, WE CAN GO IN AT ANY TIME.
UM, THE NEXT CASE IS PB 2213, WHICH IS THE, UH, ANDERSON AND BALL AT WHAT IS CALLED ZERO, UM, OLD ARMY ROAD.
UM, IT'S A VACANT LOT WHERE THEY WANTED TO BUILD A HOUSE.
WE'VE SEEN THE HOUSE AND THE DESIGN SEVERAL TIMES NOW.
WALTER, YOU WERE ON THE SITE VISIT, I BELIEVE.
UM, THE ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP THE LAST TIME WAS A CONCERN ABOUT HAVING NO BACKYARD.
UM, AND, UM, THAT WE, WE HAVE RECEIVED AN AFFIDAVIT SAYING, WELL, WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S NO BACKYARD, BUT WE'RE GONNA SIT ON OUR DECK.
THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THE AFFIDAVIT SAYS, AND THAT WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE PLAN.
I HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
FRANKLY, I WILL BET SOMEBODY AT DINNER THAT THE, SOMEBODY WILL BE BACK HERE IN TWO OR THREE YEARS TO LEVEL THAT BACKYARD YARD.
BUT IF THEY HAVE KIDS, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS, THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT.
THAT'S WHAT THEY, THEY'VE AGREED TO AND WANT, WANT TO DO, OR WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.
UM, SO I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE SLOPE, WALTER, FROM YOU AS TO WHAT YOU SAW WHEN YOU'RE OUT THERE.
I ALSO WANT TO HEAR, HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CONTOURS, BECAUSE WHAT YOU SAW IS NOT WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE BECAUSE THE FRONT YARD IS GONNA BE FIVE FEET HIGHER THAN IT IS NOW.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS I ASKED FOR IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS IS A SIDE VIEW, SAY, WELL, HOW DO YOU GET, HOW DO YOU GET FROM THAT FIVE FEET HIGHER FRONT YARD NOW DOWN TO THAT YARD? AND WHAT'S THE IMPACT FROM, UH, A DRAINAGE POINT OF VIEW, FOR EXAMPLE, AS WELL? SO WALTER, WHY DON'T YOU GIVE US A LITTLE UPDATE ON WHAT YOU SAW WHEN YOU WERE AT, OUT AT THE, UH, OKAY.
I WANT, IN ADDITION TO MYSELF, UH, MIKE, TOM AND MONA, UH, WAS THERE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY THREE OF THEM, UH, NOT HERE TO MEETING.
SO I'LL GIVE YOU, UH, UH, MY, MY CONCLUSION AND I WILL TRY TO ACCURATELY CAPTURE SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY THE OTHERS.
UH, UH, IN, IN TERMS OF THE, UH, THAT FRONT WALL.
THE QUESTION WAS WHY ARE YOU TAKING DOWN THE FRONT WALL? IF YOU GOING TO JUST FILL THAT FRONT WALL, JUST BECOMES PART OF THE FILL.
SO, SO YOU WOULD JUST BURY THAT AND,
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AND LEAVE IT IN TACT.AND THAT'S JUST PART OF THE FILL.
UH, THE OTHER ISSUE WAS, UH, ON THE NEIGHBOR LOOKING, STANDING ON THE OLD, UH, ARMY ROAD AND LOOKING INTO THE PROPERTY, THE NEIGHBOR ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, UH, THEY HAVE, THERE'S A WALL AND A PATIO.
AND THE QUESTION IS, HOW WILL YOU LANDSCAPE THAT AS TO NOT, UH, HOW WOULD IT, WILL THAT LANDSCAPE BLEND INTO, UH, THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR? YOU KNOW? SO HOW DOES THAT FIT IN? UH, THE OTHER ISSUE WAS RAISED THAT SAYING HOW THE APPLICANTS WANT A A, UH, A NATURAL BACKYARD IS NOT INTERESTED IN DOING ANY WORK THERE, THEN WHY WOULD YOU MOVE THE STONE WALL IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY? IT IS JUST IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
AND IF YOU WANT IT, LEAVE IT NATURAL, WHY DON'T YOU JUST LEAVE IT NATURAL? SO THAT'S ANOTHER COMMENT.
UH, THE OTHER, UH, ANOTHER COMMENT WAS THAT SEEING HOW THAT, UH, UH, THE APPLICANTS, UH, DON'T INTEND TO, UH, UH, COME BACK AND, AND, AND ASK FOR A, UH, A NEW PLAN IN THE, IN, IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, WOULD THEY BE THE MILL AMENABLE TO NOT TO DO THAT FOR FIVE YEARS? SO THOSE WERE THE, UH, THOSE WERE THE POINTS THAT, AND THE CONCERNS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, UH, DURING THAT SITE VISIT.
BEFORE I, I, I'D LIKE, UH, THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER THAT.
FIRST OF ALL, UH, AARON, YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? I DO.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, JUST FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE MR. SIMON DID INDICATE THAT THERE WERE FOUR MEMBERS OUT THERE.
IT WAS ON TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS, SO THERE WAS NOT A QUORUM OF MEMBERS OUT AT THE SITE.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT FOR THE RECORD.
SEE IF DAVE WERE HERE, HE WOULD'VE ALREADY WRAPPED, UH, WALTER'S HAND KNUCKLES WITH A RULER.
I'M JUST, THEY WERE THERE, BUT I, I, I SPOKE, I HAD, I SPOKE TO MONA SEPARATELY AND, UH, I SPOKE TO MIKE SEPARATELY.
BUT WE NEEDED THAT CLARIFICATION.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING QUICK TO SAY? YEAH, I, I, I THINK IN TERMS OF THE SITE VISIT, I MADE A SITE VISIT, UH, UH, BEFORE AS PART OF THE, UH, H L P B, UH, HISTORIC BOARD MM-HMM.
SO I HAD WALKED ALONG THE SITE.
I DID NOT GO, UH, INSIDE THE SORT OF, UH, UH, THE SITE TO SORT OF CHECK WHETHER WHAT THE, UH, CONTOURS WOULD BE.
AND, UH, THERE KIND OF, SORT OF, UH, REFUSAL TO SAY THAT, THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING BEYOND THAT, WHICH IS SORT OF, UH, I DON'T REALLY BUY IT.
I THINK THEY SHOULD PUT A CONDITION FOR FIVE YEARS OR 10 YEARS.
SO THEY DO NOT COME BACK AND COME BACK AND TELL US THAT.
BUT BESIDES THAT, SO, SO MY POINT IS THAT I HAD BEEN TO THE SITE, I HAVE MADE A SITE VISIT.
AARON, YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UM, THE TIME PERIOD CAME UP AT THE LAST WORK SESSION AND DAVID FREE NO LONGER WITH US, BUT ADVISED YOU MAY RECALL THAT, UM, YOU CAN'T CONDITION THAT THEY NOT COME BACK IF THEY'RE AGREEABLE TO THE CONDITION IS ONE THING, BUT YOU KNOW, AN APPLICANT, THE PROPERTY COULD CHANGE HANDS.
WELL, WE CAN ASK, WE CAN ASK THE QUESTION.
LET THE APPLICANT ANSWER THAT.
UM, WHAT I'D LIKE THE APPLICANT TO DO IS ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT, UH, MR. SIMON BROUGHT UP.
ONE BEING THE BEARING OF THE FRONT WALL.
UM, CAN'T EVEN MY OWN HANDWRITING HERE.
NOW, UM, WALTER, HELP ME OUT HERE.
WHAT ISSUES THE FRONT WALL, UH, UM, THE BACK WALL, THE, THE WALL ON THE BACK AND THE BACK WALL.
WHY, WHY IS THAT BEING RULED? RIGHT.
THE CONTOUR, THE CONTOUR TO, TO THE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR, HOW IT'S COMPATIBLE NEXT DOOR ON THE FOURTH ONE WOULD BE THE FIVE AGREEING TO A FIVE YEAR HIATUS BEFORE ANYBODY COULD BUBBLE THE YARD.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, I'D LIKE TO ADD TWO MORE THINGS TO THE LIST OF THINGS I'D LIKE YOU TO ANSWER.
UH, ONE, I, I REALLY DO WANNA SEE A SIDE VIEW AND HOW THAT, HOW THAT'S GOING TO LOOK GIVEN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT BEING FIVE FEET HIGHER THAN WHAT EVERYBODY'S SEEN WHEN THEY'VE BEEN OUT THERE.
SECOND, GIVEN THAT THAT ADDITION, UH, AARON AND I CALCULATED THE OTHER DAY, THE AVERAGE SLOPE TO BE ABOUT 10%.
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WHEN YOU AND I DID IT THE OTHER DAY.AND THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT SLOPE DOWNWARD.
UM, PARTICULARLY WHEN THIS, THIS HAS BEEN AN UNIMPROVED PROPERTY AND YOU'RE INCREASING THE SLOPE DOWNWARD FROM WHAT'S THERE NOW.
UM, I WANNA, I WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO FROM A DRAINAGE POINT OF VIEW TO MITIGATE THAT SLOPE.
BECAUSE WHAT YOU DON'T WANT, WE DON'T WANT IS THERE IS A HOUSE BEHIND THERE SOMEWHERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT STREET THAT WOULD BE.
IS IT DORIS? I CAN LOOK THAT UP.
YEAH, I, THERE IS A HOUSE, I THINK, BUT THERE'S A HOUSE BEHIND EVERYBODY IN EDGEMONT, I THINK.
AND I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT THE PIPELINE.
UH, BUT CLEARLY I'M SURE THERE'S NO INTENTION OF THE APPLICANT TO WANT THAT, THE WATER TO END UP ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.
AND I WORRY ABOUT WHAT'S DOWNHILL FROM THAT PROPERTY, IF, AND THAT'S WHY DRAINAGE IS IMPORTANT.
SO, UH, MS. CROSS, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU AND, AND YOUR TEAM.
JODY CROSS FROM Z AND STEINMETZ, UM, HERE ON BEHALF OF WELCOME HOMES NEW YORK BUILDING COMPANY.
UH, I HAVE WITH ME ANDREW ELLO FROM WELCOME HOMES.
UM, ALSO AGEL, SOPHIAS THE PROJECT ENGINEER FROM HEARTLAND ENGINEERING.
AND WE ALSO DO HAVE THE OWNERS HERE ON THE ZOOM, JONATHAN BELL AND MICHAEL ANDERSON.
UM, SO I THINK YOU, YOU ADDRESSED, UH, EVERYTHING THAT I WAS GOING TO SAY ABOUT WHAT WE DID LAST, UH, LAST MEETING THAT WE'VE DONE SINCE THEN.
SO I, I DO WANNA JUST JUMP RIGHT TO YOUR, YOUR QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN AND, UH, BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, I'M GOING TO DEFER TO THE TECHNICAL TEAM FOR THE DRAINAGE AND CONTOUR ISSUES.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE APPLICANT HAS RETAINED A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.
THEY'RE WORKING WITH THEM DILIGENTLY TO CREATE A LANDSCAPE PLAN, WHICH WILL, UH, ADDRESS YOUR NEIGHBOR QUESTION.
THE SECOND QUESTION REGARDING THE NEIGHBOR, UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT COMPLETED IN TIME FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, BUT WE DO INTEND TO HAVE IT TO THE BOARD.
WELL, MS. CROSS, THERE ARE TWO PARTS OF THAT.
THE OTHER PART, AND I DON'T KNOW, IS NEIGHBOR GONNA BE HIGHER OR LOWER? IS THAT PROBABLY HIGHER OR LOWER THAN YOUR CONTOURS? 'CAUSE THAT COULD HAVE ANOTHER ISSUE, WHICH IS DRAINAGE.
SO WHEN, WHEN YOUR ENGINEER GETS TO THAT, UH, THEY CAN DISCUSS THAT AS WELL.
YOU REMEMBER THE, THE RULE IS IN GREENBURG, WHEN YOU DEVELOP A PIECE OF PROPERTY LIKE THAT, THE DRAINAGE HAS TO BE THE SAME OR LESS THAN IT WAS WITH A PRE-EXISTING CONDITION.
AND, AND, AND WHEN WE, UH, WHEN I TOSS IT OVER TO, UH, VILLUS, HE WILL EXPLAIN THAT IT IS, UH, AN IMPROVEMENT ON THE DRAINAGE SITUATION.
UM, SO I JUST WANT TO THEN ADDRESS THE REAR STONE WALL.
UM, SO, UH, MR. SIMON MENTIONED THAT, WHY ARE WE GOING TO REMOVE THAT WALL IF WE WANNA KEEP THE NATURAL LANDSCAPE? SO I COULD BRING UP PICTURES? IT, THE WALL, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT A WALL.
IT LOOKS LIKE A PILE OF STONES.
THEY LOOK LIKE ROCKS THAT ARE JUST STREWN ON THE YARD, HAPHAZARDLY.
IT DETRACTS FROM THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF THE SITE AND ACTUALLY CREATES A HAZARD.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY WANT TO REMOVE IT.
HERE, LET ME BRING UP THOSE PICTURES FOR YOU.
WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT, WHAT THE HISTORIC BOARD LOOKED AT? WAS THAT WRONG? I THINK, YEAH.
THEY LOOKED AT IT AND THERE WAS A, UH, IT GENERALLY THIS AREA, WHICH IS, UH, UH, DURING THE, UH, REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND LOT OF THESE THINGS SPARE HAS A HISTORICAL, UH, SIGNIFICANCE.
THEY'RE NOT JUST PILE OF ROCKS.
SO, AND THEY WERE, A LOT OF IT WAS JUST HAND.
I THINK A LOT OF THE WALLS BACK THEN WERE JUST HAND STACKED.
JUST PUT TOGETHER HAND STACKED.
SO NOT, UH, IT'S NOT JUST A PILE OF HER
SO I, I JUST WANT TO BE AWARE OF IT.
AARON, WHAT WERE YOU GONNA SAY TOO? I WAS GONNA SAY THAT, UH, I HAD A MEETING WITH, UH, THE CHAIR OF THE HISTORIC BOARD EARLIER TODAY ON, ON ANOTHER MATTER.
BUT, UM, BEING THAT THIS IS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, IT CAME UP, I KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE A FUTURE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, AND THE HISTORIC BOARD WILL HAVE A MEETING BETWEEN NOW AND THEN TO DISCUSS.
BUT, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS DISCUSSED, 'CAUSE WE DID TALK ABOUT THE STONE WALLS, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I DID EXPLAIN THAT, THAT STONEWALL AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, FACES IN TOWARDS THE SITE, IT'S
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NOT REALLY VISIBLE FROM THE, UH, FROM THE ROAD, YOU KNOW, FROM A HISTORIC STANDPOINT AND THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE, OF THE TOWN IN THAT SECTION OF THE, THE TOWN.BUT ONE THING THAT WE, THAT WAS DISCUSSED IS THE FACT THAT THERE ARE QUITE A FEW, UH, STONEWALLS ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF PROPERTIES ALONG THIS SECTION OF OLD ARMY ROAD.
AND THERE MAY BE A SUGGESTION, REQUEST, RECOMMENDATION, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT CONSIDER IN KEEPING WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THAT AREA, REPURPOSING PERHAPS SOME OF THE STONE THAT WOULD BE BEHIND THE HOUSE AND KIND OF OUT OF ANYONE'S VIEW SHED, UM, AND UTILIZING IT UP ALONG THE FRONT TO MIMIC SOME OF THE STONEWALL THAT RUN ALONG.
LET ME MAKE SOMETHING PERFECTLY CLEAR NOW, THAT IS WAY BEYOND THE PURVIEW OF THE HISTORIC BOARD TO EVEN SUGGEST THAT.
THAT IS, YOU EITHER LEAVE WHAT'S THERE INTACT OR RESTORE WHAT'S THERE FOR THEM TO SAY YOU MOVE TO A DIFFERENT PLACE AND BUILD A NEW WALL THAT IS BEYOND THEIR PURVIEW.
AND I, I, THAT MY FEELING, I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, IT, IT, IT REMINDED ME OF A SUBDIVISION OFF OF, UH, SPRAINED ROAD KNOWN AS FREIGHT AND LANE.
AND THERE WERE SOME STONEWALL AND TOLL BROTHERS ENDED UP BEING THE DEVELOPER, AND THERE WERE CERTAIN STONEWALL SIMILAR TO THIS THAT NEEDED TO BE REMOVED.
AND THE REQUEST CAME UP, COULD THEY, YOU KNOW, ADD TO OTHER STONEWALLS OR REPURPOSE? AND IT WAS, THEY SUGGEST IT, GIMME A SUGGESTION.
IT WASN'T A, BUT THAT'S ALL IT WOULD BE.
IT WASN'T A CONDITION
IT WAS POSED AS A, I JUST WANNA MAKE, I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR,
'CAUSE IT, THE STONE WOULD LOOK GOOD THERE AND STONEWALLS ARE NICE.
SO, UM, BUT IT'S A GOOD CONCEPT.
UH, GO ON MY, JUST A, UH, FEW, THE LAST COMMENTS OF MY SITE VISIT IS THAT THE WHOLE, THE NEXT DOOR TO THIS PLOT IS A, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, ONE OF THE VERY HISTORIC HOUSE ON THAT ROAD.
UH, AND, UH, IT WAS ALSO HAS A PRETTY HISTORIC, UH, UH, SORT OF, UH, CHARACTERS AND WAS STATED TO IT.
AND THEY WERE DOING THE BARN, AND THE BARN HAS BEEN RESTORED TO THE ORIGINAL, UH, UH, CHARACTER.
NOT EXACTLY WE WANTED IT, BUT IT HAS A SORT OF A VERY IMPORTANT HISTORICAL HOUSE NEXT DOOR.
SO THE APPLICANT SHOULD BE AWARE OF IT AND BE RESPECTFUL OF THE HOUSE.
THAT WAS SORT OF GOES BACK TO THE, UH, I THINK, I THINK IT'S 17, 17 HUNDREDS, I THINK EARLY 1700.
AND IT HAS A, SOME OF THE FEATURES ARE VERY RARE TO FIND, UH, IN, IN THIS AREA.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT I, I DON'T SEE ANY OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING HERE DISTURBING ANY OF THAT AS LONG AS THEY DON'T FLOOD IT.
I, I DON'T ARE THEY'RE GONNA BUILD, BUILD THAT THING TO DO THAT.
I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING, TRUTHFULLY.
WE'VE INTERRUPTED YOU TOO MANY TIMES.
UM, SO THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE WALL, UH, AS YOU COULD SEE, IT DOESN'T REALLY CREATE MUCH OF A WALL.
IT'S ALMOST AT GRADE WITH THE GROUND.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS A WALL, IT WAS A WALL AT SOME POINT, CERTAINLY, BUT IT'S NOT ANYMORE.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
UM, SO WE DON'T SEE HOW THIS WOULD IMPACT THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IT'S NOT TO CALL THAT A WALL.
I MEAN, CLEARLY IT WAS A FORMER WALL, UM, BUT AT THIS POINT IT'S JUST, IT'S A HAZARD AND IT, IT DOES INTERRUPT THE NATURAL LANDSCAPE.
SO WHY DON'T WE MOVE ON TO THE OTHER QUESTIONS THEN? SURE.
UM, REGARDING THE REQUEST THAT THE APPLICANTS AGREE OR THE OWNERS AGREE NOT TO RETURN FOR FIVE YEARS, WE'RE NOT, UM, RESPECTFULLY, WE'RE NOT INCLINED TO AGREE TO THAT.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
I CAN ASSURE YOU BASED UPON THE AFFIDAVIT THAT THERE'S NO PRESENT INTENTION TO DO ANYTHING, BUT WHO KNOWS WHAT GONNA HAPPEN IN THREE YEARS.
JUST THERE WAS A, THAT'S WHY IT WAS A QUESTION.
IT'S NOT, NOT GONNA BE REQUIREMENT.
UM, AND I GUESS THE REST OF THE QUESTIONS HAVE TO DO WITH DRAINAGE AND CONTOURS.
SO I'M GOING TO STOP SHARING AND ASK, UH, VIALS TO, UH, ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.
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CAN I IN INTERJECT MR. SIMON QUICKLY, MR. SIMON, LIKE THE, YOU DIDN'T ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF WHY THE FRONT WALL IS BEING, WAS THE ENGINEERING REASON WHY THE FRONT WALL IS BEING REMOVED? YES, MR. SIMON, UH, THE ENGINEER WILL ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.SO YOUR FIRST QUESTION, I BELIEVE WAS THE FRONT WALL.
WHY ARE WE TAKING IT DOWN IF IT'S BEING FILLED? SO IF WE COULD ANSWER THAT.
ELLA SOFIAS WITH HEARTLAND ENGINEERING.
UM, SO I'M SHARING MY SCREEN, UM, AND WE HAVE THE SIDE BY SIDE VIEW HERE OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ON THE, UH, TOP OF THE PAGE AND THEN THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS, UH, AS SHOWN HERE ON THE, THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE.
AND THEN WE'VE ALSO KIND OF DREW IN THIS, UH, RED BOX TO INDICATE THE LOCATION OF THE PROPOSED HOME.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, AS WE ALL KNOW, UH, OLD ARMY ROAD IS TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PAGE, AND THEN THERE'S THE EXISTING WALL, UM, ON THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS ABOUT A FIVE FOOT GRADE GRADE CHANGE, WHICH DROPS INTO THE SITE.
UM, AND THEN AS YOU MOVE FURTHER TO THE EAST, IT LET THE, THE SITE ITSELF LEVELS OFF.
THIS IS WHERE THE PROPOSED HOME IS, UH, LOCATED.
AND THEN WHEN YOU GET PAST THE HOME ITSELF, WHERE YOU HAVE THE LARGE TREES AND THE, THE STONE WALL IN QUESTION, THAT'S WHERE THE SITE, UH, DROPS OFF.
SO IN ORDER TO NAVIGATE THE GRADE CHANGE FROM OLD ARMY ROAD ONTO THE SITE, IN ORDER TO ACCESS THE HOME, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS THE, THE AREA IN BETWEEN THE ROAD AND THE HOME IS GONNA BE FILLED.
THEREFORE, THIS, THE, THE STONE WALL THAT IS GONNA BE THE EXISTING STONE WALL WILL BE ESSENTIALLY COVERED.
UM, AND, AND PORTIONS OF THAT WALL WILL BE REMOVED, UH, JUST FOR THE FACILITY OF INSTALLING, UM, IN ORDER TO INSTALL CURB, UH, THE PAVEMENT, UM, ET CETERA AS FAR AS THE DRAINAGE IS CONCERNED.
SO, HEY, MC, ALICE, COULD I JUST INTERRUPT YOU FOR A SECOND? ARE WE REMOVING THE ENTIRE WALL OR JUST THAT PORTION WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS? WE ARE REMOVING, UH, TO THE SOUTH OF THE, OF THE DRIVEWAY TO ABOUT THIS LOCATION RIGHT HERE.
AND A PORTION OF THE WALL, JUST CONSTRUCTION LOGISTICS WILL BE, WILL REMAIN IN PLACE AND IT WILL JUST BE BACKFILLED AND IT WILL, IT WILL JUST, UH, REMAIN, UH, REMAIN THERE.
THE, THE STONE ASPECT OF IT, THERE ARE SOME RAILROAD TIES, UH, THAT THOSE PORTIONS OF THE WALL WILL BE REMOVED JUST BECAUSE WHEN WE, BACK WHEN YOU BACKFILL THE SITE, UH, YOU DON'T WANT TO BURY, UH, UH, THESE TYPES OF STRUCTURES.
UM, AND THEN MOVING ON TO THE, THE DRAINAGE ASPECT, WELL, IS, UH, THE CHAIRMAN STEPPED AWAY, SO I'M BACK.
I FULLY UNDERSTAND WHY YOU ONE WOULD TAKE OUT THE PORTION OF THE WALL, UH, TO CONSTRUCT THE DRIVER, BUT I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'VE TAKEN OUT THE REST OF THE WALL IF THAT'S GOING TO BE FILLED.
SO I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE TAKING OUT THE WALL ALL THE WAY PAST THE, THE BURIED, UH, PROPANE TANK.
UH, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHY YOU'VE TAKEN OUT THAT EXTRA PORTION ENGINEERING WISE AS OPPOSED TO JUST THE PORTION IN THE DRIVEWAY? PART OF THAT WALL THERE, UM, IS, UH, THERE IS RAILROAD TIES.
SO WE, WE NEED TO REMOVE THOSE SECTIONS OF THE WALL.
THIS WAY THE, THE TWO, THERE'S NO, UH, DECAYING OF SOME TYPE OF MATERIAL THAT CAUSING SETTLEMENT.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT, THAT SOME PORTIONS ARE BEING REMOVED.
BUT THE, THE STONE ASPECT OF THE WALL WHERE WE ARE BACKFILLING, THAT WILL NOT BE REMOVED AND THAT WILL REMAIN IN PLACE.
SO IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A COMBINATION OF REMOVING, UH, REMOVING AND, UH, JUST BACKFILLING UP AGAINST THE WALL BECAUSE YOU, YOU ARE CORRECT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO REMOVE PORTIONS OF THE WALL, THAT WOULD BE AN ADVERSE IMPACT ON, UH, THE, THE,
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THE HIGH SIDE OF THAT WALL.SO, UH, IT WILL BE A COMBINATION OF REMOVING SOME MATERIALS THAT ARE LIKE RAILROAD TIES, AND THEN THE STONE, AS THE STONE WALL WILL REMAIN IN PLACE.
SO IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, THE PART OF THE STONE WALL IS BUILT ON RAILROAD TIES, BUT, OR YEAH, THERE'S ON THE, ON THE UPPER, ON THE UPPER PORTIONS OF THAT WALL, THEY'RE BUILT ON RAILROAD TIES.
SO I HAD THAT, THAT SEEMED REASONABLE TO, TO REMOVE THE RAILROAD TIES, YOU WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE THE STONE.
SO YOU ASKED, YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
UM, THE SECOND, THE SECOND, UH, MAJOR, UH, COMPONENT AND, UH, IS THE DRAINAGE ASPECT OF IT.
SO, UH, THE STRATEGY, THE, THE, THE STORM WATER STRATEGY THAT WE HAVE HERE IS, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET ME GO TO THE, UH, UH, THIS PLAN HERE.
THIS IS OUR, OUR GRADING AND DRAINAGE PLAN.
SO THE, AGAIN, THE, THE STORMWATER STRATEGY FOR THIS PROJECT IS WE ARE COLLECTING THE, THE IMPERVIOUS, THE PROPOSED IMPERVIOUS AREAS, THE HOME, UH, THE DRIVEWAY, THE HARDSCAPES, AND WE ARE DIRECTING THAT TO A STORMWATER AND STORMWATER INFILTRATION, UH, WHICH IS LOCATED IN BETWEEN THE, THE, THE ROAD AND THE BUILDING.
IT'S COMPRISED OF A TWO EIGHT FOOT DIAMETER, UH, DRY WELLS, UH, THAT ARE, UH, SURROUNDED BY DRAINAGE STONE.
AND THIS, THIS SYSTEM, UM, IS, IS, UH, DESIGNED THE, THE VOLUME OF THE SYSTEM IS THE DESIGNED TO HAVE 50 YEAR STORM, WHICH, UH, YOUR CURRENT REGULATIONS ARE, ARE 25 YEAR STORM.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE'VE, UH, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN OUR, IN OUR FIRST MEETING, UH, IN THIS EARLIER THIS SUMMER.
UH, SO WE, WE, WE TOOK THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
AND THIS WAY THERE, THERE IS NO, UM, JUST ENHANCING FROM THE PRE AND POST CONDITIONS.
I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE PUTTING THAT ALL IN THE FRONT.
FIRST OF ALL, YOU'VE GOT A DECK.
HOW IS THAT GONNA END UP? HOW IS THE WATER OFF THE DECK GONNA END UP IN THE FRONT? UH, UH, ANDREW FROM, UH, WELCOME HOLMES COULD SPEAK TO THIS, BUT W W THE, THE DECK WILL ALLOW WATER TO, UH, FLOW THROUGH IT, AND THEN BELOW IT WILL BE, UH, A GRAVEL, UH, UM, A LAYER OF GRAVEL WHICH WILL ESSENTIALLY INFILTRATE THROUGH.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HURT TO CONSIDER.
AND, AND, AND YOU KNOW, AARON CAN, CAN CHIME IN ON THIS AS WELL AS
AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA CATCH THE WATER ON THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
IT'S NOT GONNA COME DOWN A LOT FASTER BECAUSE INSTEAD OF HAVING A FLAT GRADE, YOU NOW HAVE A 10% GRADE GOING DOWN.
OKAY? SO THERE IS GONNA BE MORE WATER COMING DOWN.
AND THERE WAS BEFORE ON, ON THE SIDE.
GIVEN THAT, WHY NOT CONSIDER PUTTING SOME CALTECH OR S SWALES BEHIND THE HOUSE TO AT LEAST SLOW DOWN ANY WATER THAT COMES OFF AS A RESULT, A RESULT OF, UH, THE INCREASED, UH, THE INCREASED, UM, WHAT, WHAT AM I TALKING ABOUT? ANGLE SLOPE.
RIGHT? WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, RIGHT? SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONTOURS AND YOU HAD THE PLAN UP BEFORE SHOWING THE EXISTING CONDITIONS VERSUS THE PROPOSED YOU ARE, YOU DO HAVE A SLOPE ON THE SIDE YARD THERE, THE SOUTH SIDE YARD, UH, THAT WOULD GO FROM FRONT TO REAR.
AND ONE OF THE POINTS WAS, UM, COULD THERE BE CONSIDERATION TO MAYBE HAVING IT LIKE, SORT OF LIKE A GRASS SWALE WITH A YARD DRAIN IN THE REAR THAT COULD THEN TIE INTO, YOU KNOW, EVEN UP FRONT INTO THE TEX OR INTO A SMALL ONE IN THE BACK JUST TO PICK UP THAT WATER.
UM, 'CAUSE IT DOES THEN BEYOND YOUR AREA OR LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE, IT DOES SLOPE DOWN QUITE A BIT TO THE PROPERTY TO THE REAR, WHICH IS, UH, I DID LOOK IT UP.
IT'S DORIS DRIVE THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS.
SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP THAT I DID RELAY TO MS. CROSS, UM, THAT MIGHT COME UP THIS EVENING.
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WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ADD ANY, ANY COLEX IN, IN THE REAR OF THE HOUSE.UM, UH, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.
UH, ONE, FIRST WE WOULD BE IMPACTING, WE WOULD, WE WOULD NEED TO INSTALL THAT WITHIN, UH, THE CRITICAL ROOT ZONE OF, OF THE LARGE, UH, 48 INCH TREE.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHICH BEGS THE QUESTION, OKAY.
UM, WHICH I WOULD ASK THE SAME QUESTION AS MOVE IT CLOSER TO THE HOME, BUT THEN THERE ARE, THERE ARE OFFSET REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR PROPOSING A INFILTRATION SYSTEM, UH, ADJACENT TO A FOUNDATION.
UM, SO THERE'S NO 48 INCH TREE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE THOUGH.
YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE SMALL, SMALL TREES ON THAT SIDE, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT.
I, I UNDERSTAND, I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF TAKING THE WATER OFF THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES AND DIRECTING THAT TO THE FRONT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ISSUE.
THE ISSUE IS YOU'VE INCREASED THE SLOPE FROM WHAT WAS ESSENTIALLY FLAT TO ABOUT 10% ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, AND YOU HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING THAT I CAN SEE IN THIS PLAN TO MITIGATE THE POTENTIAL RUNOFF FROM THAT SIDE YARD.
AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE SIDE YARD AND THE DECK AND THE DECK.
I MEAN, IF YOU GET SOME OF THESE CRAZY RAINSTORMS WE HAVE NOW, IT'S VERY NICE TO, TO PUT, UH, STONE, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD FILL UP TOO, DEPENDING ON HOW, HOW FAR DOWN THAT STONE IS.
BUT, BUT CLEARLY ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, YOU, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY, ANYTHING TO SLOW DOWN THE WATER COMING DOWN THAT HILL RIGHT NOW? NOTHING, UH, GO AHEAD.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, I CAN, I CAN JUMP IN AND TRY AND ADD SOME CLARITY TO THE DISCUSSION HERE.
UM, SO AGAIN, MY NAME IS ANDREW VAO.
I'M A PROJECT ENGINEER WITH WELCOME HOMES AND I WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH VIALS AS THE, THE DRAINAGE PLAN WAS BEING PREPARED FOR THE SITE.
AND ESSENTIALLY ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THAT, UM, I, I KNOW THAT WE'RE, WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE REAR AND WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE, THE PROPERTY AND THE GRADING RIGHT AFTER THE, THE HOME, UM, AND WHERE THAT TIES IN AT THE TOP OF THAT SLOPE.
BUT I, WHAT I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT IS THAT, UM, THE STORMWATER DESIGN IS, IS REALLY VIEWED AS A, A, A HOLISTIC DESIGN.
WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THAT EVEN THOUGH WE'RE, WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE VERY REAR, THE WAY THAT THE CALCULATION IS PERFORMED IS WE LOOK AT EVERYTHING WITHIN THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY OR OUR POINT OF ANALYSIS AND, AND WE CONSIDER THAT.
SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT I, WHAT I'M, UM, TRYING TO GET ACROSS IS THAT THERE IS ACTUALLY A, A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION OF AREA THAT'S ACTUALLY BEING CONVEYED DOWN DOWNSTREAM THAT'S ON DETAINED.
IF WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE DRIVEWAY AREA AND THE, UM, THE HOUSE ITSELF AND THE DECK, WHICH WE CONSERVATIVELY CONSIDERED AS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
UM, NOT, IT'S NOT CONSIDERED, NOT GONNA ACT, NOT CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, BUT OKAY.
BUT CONSERVATIVELY WE DID, WE DID MODEL IT THAT WAY TO BE CONSERVATIVE WITH THIS.
UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY THE, UM, HOLISTICALLY SPEAKING, THE WHOLE BRANCH DESIGN REDUCES THE PEAK FLOWS, UM, ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE 50 YEAR STORM EVENT TO, UM, ACTUALLY BETTER THAN WHAT WAS, WHAT'S PRESENT IN THE EXISTING CONDITION.
SO, UM, I KNOW WE'RE FOCUSED ON, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HOUSE BEING THAT CLOSE, BUT ALL ANDREW, THE REASON I'M FOCUSED ON THAT, AND WE'VE MADE THIS MISTAKE IN THE PAST, AND I, AND I, AND I REALLY DON'T WANNA SEE US MAKE IT AGAIN, YOU MAY IN NET BE REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF WATER COMING OFF, OFF OF THAT, THAT OKAY.
BUT SOMETIMES YOU DIRECT IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
AND ACTUALLY, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S LESS WATER IN TOTAL COMING OFF, OFF THE PROPERTY, WHICH BY THE WAY, I FIND, I MEAN A LOT OF IT YOU HAVE TO DO 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO MITIGATE A FRONT YARD THAT WHERE NO WATER USED TO COME OFF THE PROPERTY AND NOW IT WILL.
UH, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S AT GRADE.
UM, BUT I GET CONCERNED WHEN I SEE AN INCREASE 10% AND IT SURFACE AND IT CAN GO STRAIGHT DOWN THAT SIDE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA COME OFF HOW IT'S GONNA COME OFF OF THERE.
I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CONTOURS THE OTHER DIRECTION TOO, TO THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR.
BUT, UH, AARON HAS THAT ENGINEERED, WHAT DID THIS PLAN YET? YES.
AND WHAT DO THEY SAY PRELIMINARILY? THAT IT, IT DOES MEET CODE, BUT THEY HAVE NOT ISSUED THE STONE WATER PERMIT.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME AFTER ANY PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL, BUT PRELIMINARILY
WELL, I'D LIKE YOU TO TALK TO 'EM ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
AND WE, I MEAN, WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT GONNA RESOLVE IT TONIGHT AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ANYWAY, BUT I'VE JUST SEEN TOO MANY TIMES WE'RE AFTER THE FACT, WHOOPS.
WE RE WE RE WE REDIRECTED THE WATER EVEN THOUGH THE NET IS LESS OKAY.
AND CAUSED A PROBLEM IN ONE SPECIFIC
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PART OF THE PROPERTY.AND I DON'T WANNA SEE THAT HAPPEN.
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND, THIS DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A DIFFICULT THING TO SOLVE AND WHY YOU WOULDN'T WANNA SOLVE IT TO BE SURE.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY, UH, AARON, DO YOU HAVE THE ORIGINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL BACK IN 2008? CAN YOU I DO HAVE IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN PULL IT UP.
ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A SPECIFIC CONDITION OR A DRAWING? YEAH, I'M, UH, I'M LOOKING AT, UH, THE PLAN, THE, THE SUBMISSION PART OF THERE, UH, PART OF THEIR SUBMISSION ON APRIL 27TH, 2022.
AND THE LAST PAGE IS THE ORIGINAL, UH, SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
UH, SO I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD THINGS TO KIND OF STARTING POINT WHAT IT WAS APPROVED AND WHAT IS IT NOW BEING PROPOSED, PARTICULARLY IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, THE DISCUSSIONS THAT BE GOING ON, WHICH IS LIKE, UH, HAVING, UH, HAVING THE HOUSE WOULD BE, UH, ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.
IT'S MORE THAN, UH, UH, MORE THAN 50 FEET OR LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING LIKE 40 FEET BEHIND.
SO, AND I THINK LOOKING AT THE PLAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS VERY, VERY, UH, SKIMPY IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, MANEUVERABILITY OF THE CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY AND ORIGINAL LOOKS LIKE 40 FEET, UH, DRIVEWAY WHERE THEY CAN USE THE, UH, THE HAMMERHEAD TO COME OUT IN THE SITUATION.
WHAT THEY HAVE GIVEN IS PRACTICALLY, UH, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU REVERSE YOUR CAR, IT WILL BE ON THE SIDEWALK.
SO, UH, AND I WANT THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
SO, UH, DO THEY HAVE IT, I MEAN, DO THEY HAVE THE ORIGINAL? BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT IT AND YEAH.
SO LET ME JUMP IN ON THAT IF I CAN.
COR AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.
MY RESPONSE IS THAT, AND I RECALL THIS QUITE WELL, AND I THINK THE CHAIR MAY AS WELL, THAT THE PLANNING BOARD AT THAT TIME, I SHOULD SAY, THE APPLICANT AT THAT TIME HAD NO PLANS TO CONSTRUCT ON THE NEWLY CREATED LOT, WHICH IS THIS LOT PLANNING BOARD AT THE TIME, SAID, SHOW A CONCEPTUAL BOX ON THE LOT JUST TO SHOW COMPLIANCE AND DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH ZONING.
WE KNOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA ULTIMATELY PROBABLY COME BACK WITH A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT DESIGN OR A MODIFIED DESIGN, AND THAT'S WHEN THE PLANNING BOARD AT THAT TIME CONDITIONS THAT THEY COME BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD TO FULFILL AND COMPLETE ITS SEEKER RESPONSIBILITIES, WHICH THEY DID EARLIER THIS SUMMER.
SO, YOU KNOW, NOW YOU'VE GOT THIS DESIGN, WHICH IS ZONING COMPLIANT.
TURNS OUT IT TRIPS THE THRESHOLD FOR STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE.
AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE BACK BEFORE US, YOU KNOW, THIS EVENING AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION, THE SLOPE DISTURBANCE IS PRETTY MUCH UNAVOIDABLE BECAUSE IT RUNS ALONG THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THEY NEED TO DO, BRING IN THE FILL TO BRING THE, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY UP TO A GRADE THAT MORE OR LESS MEETS THE ROAD GRADE.
UM, BUT WE WERE OUT THERE WHEN WE WERE ON THE SITE.
I MEAN, AND I'LL LET MR. SIMON SPEAK TO IT IN TERMS OF THE SLOPE DISTURBANCE.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT'S SUPER SIGNIFICANT.
THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY DEFINITELY SLOPES DOWN AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO STAY AWAY FROM THAT.
SO, BUT MY QUESTION IS NOT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
UH, IT'S THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND THE WAY IT IS PROPOSED IN ORIGINAL SUBDIVISION VERSUS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED NOW AND HAS, AND, AND, AND ONE OF THE, UH, DRAWBACK WITH THE PROPOSED PLAN IS THAT IT'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR A, UH, A CAR TO REALLY, UH, MAKE A, MAKE A TURNAROUND AND GO OUT.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WHAT THEY HAVE IS ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, 27 FEET, WHICH IS WHAT'S MINIMALLY REQUIRED.
I MEAN, THEY, THEY DON'T SHOW IT ON THEIR PLAN.
MAYBE THERE IS, BUT, UH, UM, I JUST WANTED TO ASK QUESTIONS HOW THEY, HOW THEY SEE THE, OKAY.
THE VEHICLE VEHICLE WILL BE TURNED AROUND IN THAT DRIVEWAY.
I THINK THAT'S A, YEAH, LET'S, LET'S FORGET ABOUT WHAT WAS THE CORRECT ORIGINAL, THE ORIGINAL, UM, PLAN 12 YEARS AGO, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT REALLY RELEVANT HERE BECAUSE IT WAS A CONCEPTUAL ONE.
WE DIDN'T APPROVE ANYTHING, WHICH IS WHY THEY'RE HERE TODAY.
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BUT YOUR QUESTION IS A GOOD ONE, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND IT.THERE IS A GARAGE ON THE, ON THAT SIDE, RIGHT WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
SO ONE CAR WILL BE IN THE GARAGE, ONE CAR WILL BE IN THE DRIVEWAY.
SO CAN A, CAN A CAR THE WAY YOU'VE GOT IT, COME INTO THAT DRIVEWAY, PULL INTO THAT HAMMERHEAD AND TURN THE CAR AROUND AND GO OUT, UH, FACE FORWARD OR NOT? ANDREW, DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT QUESTION? YES.
THE INTENT WITH THE DESIGN IS THAT THERE'S SUFFICIENT ROOM FROM A CAR PULLING OUT OF THE GARAGE TO BE ABLE TO BACK THE, UH, THE BACK OF THAT CAR INTO THE HAMMER HEAD AND MAKE A, UH, MAKE A K TURN TO BE ABLE TO, TO PULL ONTO
SO WHAT THEY WOULD DO WHEN THEY COME IN, LET ME UNDERSTAND THIS.
SO THEY COME IN FORWARD, THEY PULL UP TO THE GARAGE DOOR, THEN BACK INTO THE HAMMER HEAD, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH.
THE INTENT IS FOR THEM TO PULL INTO THE DRIVEWAY, PULL INTO THE GARAGE, AND THEN PULL OUT OF THE GARAGE WITH THE REAR OF THE CAR INTO THE HAND INTO THE GARAGE OR UP TO THE GARAGE.
WHAT IF THERE'S A CAR IN THE GARAGE? I'M SORRY, I'M NOT FOLLOWING YOUR QUESTION.
WHAT IF, IF THERE'S A CAR IN THE GARAGE, THEY CAN'T PULL INTO THE GARAGE, RIGHT? THEY CAN ONLY PULL UP TO THE GARAGE TO UP TO THE GARAGE DOOR.
'CAUSE THERE'S A CAR IN THE GARAGE, SO THAT DOESN'T HELP THEM.
IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM FROM THE GARAGE DOOR, AND I THINK THIS WAS CAR'S QUESTION FROM THE GARAGE DOOR.
IF SOMEONE PULLS IN AND THERE'S A CAR IN THE GARAGE, IS THAT HAMMERHEAD ACTUALLY WORKABLE? CAN YOU MAKE A TURN INTO THAT HAMMERHEAD FROM THE GARAGE AND TURN IT FROM, FROM PULL THE DRIVEWAY, YOU PULL UP TO THE GARAGE DOOR? CAN YOU THEN, IS THERE ENOUGH ROOM TO BACK IN TO THAT HAMMERHEAD AND GO OUT FACE FORWARD? MR. CHAIRMAN, I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.
I, UM, THE ANSWER IS NO, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS ANY DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
AND THEY'RE PROPOSED, MOST HAMMERHEADS ARE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE HOME ITSELF.
WELL, THAT MEANS YOU'RE GONNA BE BACKING OUT INTO, THAT MEANS YOU'RE GONNA END UP, IF YOU HAVE TWO CARS BACKING OUT INTO OLD ARMY ROAD, WHICH IS SOMETHING WHICH I'M REALLY SURPRISED.
WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THERE IS SUFFICIENT SPACE FOR TWO VEHICLES IN THE GARAGE, BUT THE TWO CAR GARAGE? YES, SIR.
I WAS GONNA ASK, SO IF IT'S A TWO CAR GARAGE, THEY CAN PULL IN AND THEN PULL BACK OUT AND TURN AROUND, TURN AROUND AND HEAD OUT.
THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM TO SWING EVEN IF THERE'S ANOTHER CAR IN THE GARAGE.
SO THERE, THERE'S EFFICIENT ROOM FOR BOTH VEHICLES TO BE ABLE TO BACK OUT, UM, AND TURN AROUND IN THAT, THAT HAMMERHEAD AREA.
SO THEY WOULD BACK OUT OF THE GARAGE INTO THE HAMMERHEAD AND THEN OUT TO THE STREET, ANDREW.
AND, AND I THINK, CAN YOU MAKE A, I MEAN, YOU CAN MAKE A, UH, YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER CAN SHOW US HOW THE TWO CAR PARKED IN A GARAGE AND HOW DOES IT GOING TO COME OUT.
AND THERE IS A CON IT'S, IT, IT IS A VERY MUCH CONCERN THAT, AS YOU SAID, YOU DON'T WANT IT TO HAVE CAR PULL OUT INTO THE OLD
IT'S BAD ENOUGH THE PLUG FORWARDS.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU PROVIDE US, CAN YOU PROVIDE A BOARD YOUR, YOUR ACTUALLY CAR PARKED IN A GARAGE IZED AND SHOW US HOW THE TWO CARS OR ONE CAR OR BOTH ANY OF THE ONE CAR CAN GET OUT WITHOUT GOING INTO THE OR? OKAY.
PLEASE TAKE A NOTE OF IT, MS. CROSS.
I'LL GET BACK TO HOW WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH THIS IN A SECOND.
BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM, UH, JOHAN OR LESLIE IF THEY HAVE ANYTHING TO, ANYTHING TO SAY.
'CAUSE I CAN'T SEE THEM RIGHT NOW.
IT'S ONE PROBLEM WHEN THIS IS UP.
I JUST COULDN'T SEE YOU BECAUSE OF THE, BECAUSE THE THING WAS UP.
LESLIE, DO YOU HAVE, UH, COMMENTS? WELL, IT HAS TO DO WITH BACKING OUT INTO THE STREET.
I, I SEE A LOT OF CARS BACK OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAY AND DIRECTLY INTO THE STREET.
SO I JUST, MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING I'M MISSING HERE.
YOU, AND THEY, IT'S A, THE DRIVEWAY.
YOU, YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OLD ARMY ROAD.
YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SOME SIDE STREET.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OLD ARMY ROAD.
IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA TO DO THAT IF, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE WE'VE SEEN IT DONE.
IT'S STILL DANGEROUS THING TO DO.
IF WE CAN AVOID IT, WE SHOULD THAT, THAT'S THE POINT.
AND I GUESS JUST TO REITERATE WHAT ANDREW WAS SAYING, THE THE, THERE IS THE, THE DRIVEWAY, UM, AND TWO CARS HAS, HAS BEEN DESIGNED, UM, IN ORDER TO BACK OUT INTO THAT THE HAMMERHEAD AND THIS WAY
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BOTH, UH, EACH VEHICLE WOULD BE ABLE TO ENTER INTO OLD ARMY ROAD FACING FRONT.CAN YOU SHOW US, CAN YOU JUST SHOW US THE BACKGROUND? I MEAN, IT IS BEEN CORRECT, CORRECT? I I GOT THE NOTE ON THAT.
AND I'LL TELL YOU HOW WE CAN HANDLE THAT.
PROMISE YOU, I'M ALSO NOT IGNORING WHAT WESLEY'S SAYING.
I'M, I'M, I'M REALLY CURIOUS ABOUT THE, HOW IT'S, IT SOUNDS AS IF THAT IT'S ALREADY BEEN DESIGNED FOR THE TWO CARS AND THE ABILITY TO BACK OUT.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'RE SPENDING SO MUCH TIME ON THIS, BUT I'M INTERESTED IN THE HOW.
THIS IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO AT THIS POINT.
WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR ALMOST 45 MINUTES.
UM, I DON'T WANNA SLOW DOWN THE PROJECT IN TERMS OF HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO AARON, I WOULD PUT IT ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 21ST IF WE HAVE ROOM ON THE SCHEDULE FOR THAT.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO A TWO PART THING.
WE'LL DO A WORK SESSION AND A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I'M NOT SLOWING THE PROJECT DOWN AT ALL.
I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE IF YOU COULD SHOW AN ANIMATION OR WHATEVER HOW, HOW THAT THE CARS CAN TURN AROUND.
AND SECOND, I STILL WOULD LIKE YOU TO ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE, UH, IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND THINK ABOUT THAT, UH, FOR THAT MEETING AS WELL.
AND AARON, IF YOU COULD DISCUSS THAT WITH OUR TOWN ENGINEER, WHOEVER THAT MAY BE THIS WEEK.
UH, WE LOST OUR, WE SADLY LOST OUR TOWN ENGINEER ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO.
UM, SO I, I, IT MAY BE, IT MAY BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO GET PEOPLE THERE, BUT SEE WHO YOU CAN GET ME AN ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WHO CAN HELP US AND, AND GET, GET, GET THEIR THOUGHTS ON, ON OUR CONCERN.
AND MAYBE OUR CONCERN IS, MY CONCERN IS, IS WAY OFF.
BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR THAT FROM OUR, OUR TENANT ENGINEER.
YOU SPEAK WITH THE BUREAU? YES.
AND THEN, SO YOU GUYS WILL BE ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 21ST.
BEFORE THAT, IF YOU COULD, COULD ADDRESS THESE COUPLE OF ISSUES BEFORE WE GO ON A PUBLIC HEARING, WE'RE NOT GONNA STOP HAVING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THE TIMING IS EXACTLY WHAT IT WOULD'VE BEEN ANYWAY.
AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT, THAT NIGHT AND GET THESE ISSUES RESOLVED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER THAT NIGHT.
AND THEN WE WOULD MAKE A FINAL DECISION AT OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH I THINK IS OCTOBER 3RD, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, YOU, IT, WE, WE, AND WELCOME YOU.
WE WILL BE WELCOMING YOU TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT, UH, FOLLOW FOLKS.
WE JUST WANT, AND I'M SURE YOU WANNA BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, SURE.
THAT THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT, THAT'S GONNA EITHER BE DANGEROUS FOR YOU OR DISRUPTIVE FOR YOUR NEW NEIGHBORS.
UH, THERE ARE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS, I BELIEVE.
WHICH IS WHY WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, AND WE WILL GET THEM TO YOU IN ADVANCE OF THAT MEETING.
MS. CROSS, IF YOU COULD, IN FACT, IF THERE NEEDS TO BE A DISCUSSION, AARON, BETWEEN, UM, I CAN'T WHAT'S HIS NAME? YOUR, YOUR ENGINEER'S NAME.
AL ES, UH, AND OUR ENGINEER, THAT'S OKAY WITH ME TOO, IF THAT WOULD HELP.
THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE AND INSTRUCTIONS, UH, TOMORROW OR FRAUGHT LATE TOMORROW.
WELL, THERE GOES WALTER'S WINE AFTER THAT ONE.
OH, WELL, WE'LL STILL FINISH BY 10 WALTER, I PROMISE.
MAKE SURE YOU PUT YOUR, THAT WINE COMMENT IN PROPER PERSPECTIVE.
UH, THIS IS MY ANNIVERSARY AND I'M HOPING TO FINISH UP ENOUGH TIME TO GLARE THE, TO HAVE A GLASS OF WINE WITH MY WIFE, NOT THAT.
AND, AND, AND WE ACKNOW ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
WE ALL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT MR. STEINS IS GONNA BE SO BRIEF TONIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS.
MR. STEINS, THE ONLY REASON I SHOWED UP WAS TO WISH WALTER A HAPPY ANNIVERSARY.
YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA BE THE CHAIRMAN.
HE'S NOT THE CHAIRMAN ANYMORE.
YOU GOTTA BE NICE TO THE CHAIRMAN.
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA, YOU BARBARA'S READY? I'LL, I'LL
WE'RE GONNA GO INTO PUBLIC HEARING NOW AND GET STARTED.
WE'VE GOT TWO PUBLIC HEARING, UH, ITEMS ON, ON THE LIST TONIGHT.
ONE BEING NAR AND THE OTHER BEING BLOOM.
SO WE'LL GO THROUGH BOTH OF THOSE AND, AND MOVE ON.
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DO YOU WANNA, UH, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WELCOME TO THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF TONIGHT'S, UH, PLANNING BOARD MEETING.WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
UH, AARON, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? SURE.
WE NOTE THAT MS. DAVIS HERE, OUR ALTERNATE WILL BE, UH, PARTICIPATING AS A FULL VOTING MEMBER THIS EVENING BECAUSE BOARD MEMBERS A GOLDEN AND FREIGHT AG ARE NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
THE FIRST CASE IS, UH, PB 21, 27 BERNARD SELF STORAGE AT 42 44 HAYES STREET IN ELMSFORD.
AS, UH, YOU RECALL, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN BEFORE US FOR A WHILE NOW.
IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY THE MAJORITY OF THIS PROPERTY IS IN ELMSFORD.
THE MAJORITY OF IT IS, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE VARIANCES HAPPEN TO BE IN GREENBURG.
SO, UM, AS I UNDERSTAND THE STATUS OF IT IS, IT'S UP FOR DECISION WITH THE ZONING BOARD.
UM, AND, UM, THAT HOPEFULLY THAT DECISION WILL COME BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING ON THE 21ST, FIRST AT THE MEETING, I THINK ON THE 14TH.
SO HOPEFULLY YOU'LL GET YOUR, YOUR ZONING BOARD DECISION ON THE 15TH AND 15TH, UH, ON, ON THAT.
'CAUSE WE'VE HEARD THIS THING, UH, SEVERAL TIMES.
UM, MRS. STEIN, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE LIKE TWO MINUTES ON WHAT THE PROJECT IS TO DESCRIBE IT TO THE PUBLIC, I'D APPRECIATE THAT.
OH, HANG ON, JOE, HOLD THE CLOCK.
AND, UH, THE REASON WHY I DID IS BECAUSE I WANTED TO NOTE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD AS WELL AS FOR THE APPLICANT, THAT WE DID RECEIVE CORRESPONDENCE LATE IN THE DAY TODAY BY EMAIL, WHICH WAS FORWARDED OFF TO THE PROJECT TEAM.
IT WAS FROM VIRGINIA AND WILLIAM BAKER OF 17 HAYES STREET.
THIS WILL BE PROVIDED TO THE BOARD.
I CAN READ IT INTO THE RECORD IF YOU WISH, AT THIS TIME.
YEAH, I WOULD HOLD, LET MR. STAR DESCRIBE THE PROJECT FIRST PLEASE, AARON.
I'LL, I'LL SPARE YOU THE INTRODUCTION.
WE HAVE OUR ENTIRE, UH, DEVELOPMENT TEAM HERE, AS WELL AS MY CLIENT.
UH, AS THE BOARD KNOWS, THIS IS A PROPOSED SELF STORAGE FACILITY LOCATED AT, UH, HAYES STREET.
AS, AS WE'VE INDICATED, IT'S ACTUALLY GOT THREE STREET FRONTAGES.
AND THE CHALLENGE WITH THIS PROPERTY, IT IS LOCATED BOTH IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG AND IN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD.
WE ARE SUBSTANTIALLY ZONING COMPLIANT WITH THE BULK CRITERIA IN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD.
WE ARE NOT COMPLIANT WITH THEI ZONING BULK AS WE DEMONSTRATED TO THE BOARD.
MOST OF THE PROPERTIES AROUND US, IF NOT ALL IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, ARE NOT COMPLIANT.
WE'VE PRESENTED, WE SECURED A NEGATIVE DECLARATION FROM THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES AS LEAD AGENCY.
WE RECEIVED SITE PLAN APPROVAL IN ELMSFORD.
WE RECEIVED THE VARIANCES FOR THE TWO TECHNICAL DEFICIENCIES IN ELMSFORD ALREADY.
WE HAVE APPEARED IN FRONT OF THE, YOUR, YOUR ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
AND AS THE CHAIR INDICATED, THEY ARE POISED TO GRANT ALL OF THE AREA VARIANCES THAT WE HAVE, UH, RE-APPLIED FOR.
WE'VE SPENT A COUPLE OF MEETINGS IN FRONT OF THE ZONING BOARD, AND WITH THE LETTER OF SUPPORT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD, SPECIFICALLY INDICATING THAT THIS PROPOSED SELF-STORAGE WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE AREA, WOULD BE ONE OF THE MOST ATTRACTIVE, UH, BUILDINGS IN AND AROUND THAT SECTION OF ELMSFORD, UH, AND GREENBERG.
AND IT WOULD BE A LOW TRAFFIC INTENSE USE.
UH, WE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE TRUSTEES ENCOURAGING THE, UH, GREENBERG ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS TO GRANT ALL VARIANCES.
I'VE EXCEEDED MY TWO MINUTES, BUT I'LL, I'LL PREEMPT.
THE ONE COMMENT THAT MR. SCHMIDT MADE.
UM, MR. SCHMIDT AND MR. BRITTON WERE KIND ENOUGH TO SHARE COMMUNICATION FROM ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS.
UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE NEIGHBOR WHO CORRESPONDED WITH THE TOWN OF GREENBURG IS A VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD NEIGHBOR, NOT A TOWN OF GREENBURG, UM, UNINCORPORATED NEIGHBOR.
UH, THEY DID NOT APPEAR AT ANY TIME, UH, IN THE PROCESS BEFORE THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD.
I'M NOT SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE COMPLETED CCRA.
UH, BUT WE ARE CERTAINLY MINDFUL OF, UH, THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE APPEARED.
UH, I I, WE WOULD SIMPLY INDICATE THAT WE BELIEVE OUR CLIENT IS SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVING, UH, THE EXISTING CONDITION ON OUR PROPERTY, REDUCING A NUMBER OF THE ZONING, NON-COMPLIANCE ON, UH, THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY, AND ADDING, UH, WHAT WE THINK WILL BE A VERY VALUABLE AND ATTRACTIVE CONTRIBUTOR TO THE COMMUNITY.
UH, I WILL STOP AT THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I KNOW MR. VILLA IS PREPARED TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE SITE PLAN IF
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YOU WISH.WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT, IF YOU WOULD PREFER NOT.
I DON'T SEE, I DON'T SEE A REAL REASON TO DO THAT.
WE'VE SEEN THEN WE, WE'VE SEEN THIS, UH, UH, ENOUGH TIMES.
AND, AND, AND, UH, AARON, DO YOU WANT TO, UH, READ THAT INTO THE RECORD? FIRST OF ALL, IS IT SENT JUST TO THE PLANNING BOARD OR WAS IT ALSO SENT TO THE ZONING BOARD? THE LETTER, I RECEIVED IT BY EMAIL, UH, AFTER I HAD EVEN LEFT FOR THE DAY.
SO, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GONE TO THE ZONING BOARD, BUT WE'LL FIND OUT.
UH, I WILL CHECK UP AND FOLLOW UP WITH THAT MORNING.
WHAT'S THE CONTENT OF THE LETTER? YES.
SO, UH, FROM VIRGINIA BAKER AND WILLIAM BAKER, 17 HAYES STREET, ELMSFORD, NEW YORK, WE ARE PROPERTY OWNERS AND RESIDENCE WITHIN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
WE ARE ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO THE GRANTING OF THE GROSS VARIANCES PROPOSED IN SIZE AND SCOPE, PARKING, LOADING TRAFFIC, AND FILLING IN A FLOOD ZONE.
WHAT PLANS HAVE BEEN MADE FOR FLOOD MITIGATION WITH THE SHOPRITE AND REGENERON BUILDINGS BEING CONSTRUCTED? WHERE IS THE STORMWATER MITIGATION STUDY? THIS AREA CANNOT ACCEPT ANY FURTHER DISPLACEMENT OR ACCELERATION OF FLOODING IN A FLOOD-PRONE AREA.
WE REQUEST THAT THIS MEETING BE HELD OPEN AND DISCUSS THE RESPONSES TO THESE QUESTIONS.
RESPECTFULLY, SINCERELY, WILLIAM AND VIRGINIA BAKER.
SO IT SPEAKS TO THE VARIANCES, WHICH CLEARLY AS MR. STEINMAN'S INDICATED, WERE BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, BOTH WITHIN THE VILLAGE AND, AND WITHIN THE TOWN.
UH, IF THIS WAS REQUESTED TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD, WE'LL CERTAINLY SEND IT OFF TO THE ZONING BOARD.
NOT SURE IF THE WRITTEN RECORD PERIOD IS OPEN BEFORE THE Z B A.
IF IT IS, THEY'LL ACCEPT IT AND IT'LL BECOME PART OF THE RECORD.
IF IT'S NOT, THEN IT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO THAT BOARD.
IT, IT'S OBVIOUSLY LATE FOR US TO GET AS WELL.
BUT WHAT I'D, I'D LIKE TO DO, UH, MR. VEAL, COULD YOU JUST ADDRESS, IT SEEMS TO ME THERE'S ONE ISSUE THERE.
IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT THE VARIANCES, IT'S ALL ABOUT DRAINAGE.
THAT'S WHAT THE, THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CRUX OF THE LETTER.
RIGHT? COULD YOU ADDRESS, UM, HOW THIS, HOW THIS PROJECT IMPACTS THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY IN TERMS OF DRAINAGE AND DIEGO, IF YOU COULD SHARE THE SCREEN FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC TO SHOW THE PLAN AS YOU'RE DESCRIBING IT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UH, GOOD EVENING, ALL AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD.
DIEGO VI WITH J M C, THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER, UH, ON THIS PROJECT, UH, LET'S SEE WHAT WE REQUESTED.
I'M GONNA SHARE MY SCREEN QUICKLY HERE.
PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU SEE IT ADD.
JUST TO START, THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE PROPERTY.
THIS ILLUSTRATES THE ONE ACRE, UH, PARCEL IN RED NHEM AVENUE IS OFF TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE HAVEN STREET ON THE BOTTOM, HAYES STREET TO THE LEFT, UH, 17 HAYES, OR THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY IS JUST OFF THE PAGE DOWN HERE ON THE BOTTOM PORTION, UH, AS MR. STEINITZ HAD INDICATED, IT IS IN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD.
THIS IS THE LINE THAT DIVIDES THE PROPERTY TOWN OF GREENBURG ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THIS LINE, VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THIS LINE.
UM, TWO THINGS THAT, THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
THE PROPERTY, UH, THAT, THAT, UH, WROTE THE LETTER, THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE THERE, AGAIN, LOCATED JUST SOUTH OF US, THEY'RE ACTUALLY AT A SLIGHTLY HIGHER ELEVATION, JUST A BIT HIGHER, ALMOST AT THE SAME ELEVATION.
UM, BUT BOTH PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN.
THEY ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE 500 YEAR FLOODPLAIN.
OUR PROPERTY, FOR THE MOST PART, IS LOCATED WITHIN THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN WITH A SMALL PORTION OF IT IN THE 500 YEAR FLOODPLAIN AS WELL.
UM, TO ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS, IT'S REALLY TWOFOLD.
ONE, FROM A STORMWATER STANDPOINT, UM, I THINK WHAT CAN BE SHOWN JUST FROM THIS EXHIBIT HERE, YOU COULD SEE A MAJORITY, IF NOT ALL OF THE PROPERTY IS IMPERVIOUS AT THIS TIME.
IT'S EITHER BUILDING COVERAGE OR PAVED, UH, SURFACES UNDER THE PROPOSED CONDITION.
WE ARE PROPOSING, WE ARE PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT, BUILDING FOOTPRINT INCIDENTS IN ITS ENTIRETY, AND CONSTRUCT THIS PLUS MINUS 28,000 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT BUILDING, AND THEN CONSTRUCT A SMALL AMOUNT OF PARKING DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO HAVEN STREET THERE.
AND THEN MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU ALLUDED TO THIS EARLIER IN THE MEETING, UH, TO COMPLY WITH CERTAIN CODE REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE TOWN OF GREENBERG AND BY THE NEW YORK STATE D C, WE CANNOT INCREASE FLOW RATES COMING OFF THIS PROPERTY.
WE'RE DOING IT IN THE MOST NATURAL WAY POSSIBLE BY ELIMINATING IMPERVIOUS AREA AND INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF LAWN AND LANDSCAPING THAT IS ON THIS PROPERTY.
SO BY THE, BY BY, JUST BY THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT AND INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF PERVIOUS AREA AND LAWN AND LANDSCAPING WE'RE REDUCING FLOWS.
UM, UH, IS DANA, IS, UH, DIEGO, IS THE FOOTPRINT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE FOOTPRINT LARGER THAN, THAN
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WHAT'S THERE NOW? I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY.I I COULD MEASURE THAT QUICKLY.
I COULD TRY TO GIVE YOU, IT'S PRETTY CLOSE, MR. CHAIRMAN, WHEN YOU COMPARE THE TWO TOGETHER, THE ARTICULATIONS IN THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY JUST A SQUARE BOX AS COMPARED TO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
WHEN I, UH, SHUT THIS OFF, I'LL DO A QUICK TAKE OFF TO COMPARE THE TWO.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, BUT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THE IMPERVIOUS AREA IS BEING REDUCED, SO, RIGHT, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT IMPERVIOUS.
CORRECT? VIRTUALLY, PRETTY MUCH NOT A HUNDRED, BUT VERY, VERY CLOSE.
THERE'S A COUPLE LITTLE POCKETS PROPERTY, OKAY.
AND WE'RE PROVIDING SUBSTANTIALLY MORE, UH, 12 TO 15 FEET ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE'S PARKING THAT GOES RIGHT UP AGAINST THE CURB LINES JUST OFF OF OUR PROPERTY.
EVERYTHING'S BEING CONSOLIDATED AND REALLY, UH, TIGHTENED UP.
SO WE HAVE A NICE OPPORTUNITY, PROVIDES SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LAWN AND LANDSCAPING SURROUNDING IT.
SECOND PIECE OF IT IS THE FLOODPLAIN PIECE OF IT.
WE ARE WITHIN THE FLOOD FRINGE.
WE'RE JUST ON THE EDGE OF THE FLOODPLAIN.
AND, UM, THE WAY THE BUILDING HAS BEEN DESIGNED, THERE IS A PORTION OF THE BUILDING THAT WILL REQUIRE FILLING WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN ON THE NORTH END.
HOWEVER, BASED ON THE BUILDING DESIGN AND THE WAY WE'VE CONSOLIDATED THE FOOTPRINT, IT'S REALLY BEEN MINIMIZED TO THE MA TO THE SMALLEST AMOUNT WE POSSIBLY CAN.
IT IS A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF FILLING WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN THAT WOULD NOT HAVE ANY TYPE OF ADVERSE IMPACT ON, UH, FLOODING IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS AREA ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL.
AND NOT TO MENTION THEIR PROPERTY, AGAIN, IS SLIGHTLY UPSTREAM.
WE ALL KNOW THAT THIS AREA IS PRONE TO FLOODING.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE ACKNOWLEDGED SINCE DAY ONE.
THE PROPERTY ITSELF, THE, UM, THE SURROUNDING LOTS, ESPECIALLY AS YOU GO FURTHER NORTH, THAT'S WHERE IT'S REALLY PRONE TO FLOODING.
WE'RE RIGHT ON THE EDGE IN THE OUTSKIRTS, UH, OF THAT FLOODING AREA THERE.
WE DID CONSTRUCT THIS BUILDING, SO IT IS ABOVE THE FLOOD PLAIN ELEVATION IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR CODE.
HOWEVER, AGAIN, BASED ON THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, YOU DO NOT FEEL WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANY ADVERSE IMPACT ON ANY OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
DIEGO, ANYBODY FROM THE BOARD HAVE A QUE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I CAN'T SEE EVERYBODY.
UM, I WOULD ASK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, IF, IF THIS APPLICATION IS CLOSED TONIGHT, I WOULD ASK THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE SOME DATA BEFORE WE MAKE A FINAL DECISION, AND THAT IS THE, THE, UH, THE PRE AND POST, UM, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE.
AND THE PERCENTAGE OF THE BUILDING THAT'S IN THE FLOOD, UH, PLANE.
IF YOU CANNOT PROVIDE THAT TONIGHT, THEN PLEASE PROVIDE IT.
UH, EVEN IF WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, NO PROBLEM.
WALTER, ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THAT WAS MY POINT.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD HAVE A QUESTION? NO.
I JUST CAN'T SEE EVERYBODY WITH THE SITE PLAN UP AT ONE TIME.
YOU WANT DIEGO? DIEGO? YOU WANNA UNSHARE? YEAH.
I JUST, UH, JUST WANTED TO NOTIFY THE BOARD OF ONE MODIFICATION THAT IS BEING MADE TO THE SITE PLAN PER THE APPROVAL THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD.
UM, WHEN WE MET WITH THEM, THE DRIVEWAY CONFIGURATION IN THIS AREA HERE, UH, THE VILLAGE BOARD OF TRUSTEES FELT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO ADD A CURB CUT, UM, ON HAVEN STREET IN THIS AREA, DIRECTLY OPPOSITE THE LOADING AREA.
SO ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF THEIR APPROVAL IS THAT WE ADD A SECOND OR THIRD CURB CUT HERE OPPOSITE THE LOADING AREA, SO THAT I CAN'T SEE IT IN THE SCREEN.
DIEGO AND I, I WAS GONNA, SORRY, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT.
JUST EXPLAIN, EXPLAIN WHERE THAT CURB CUT IS DIEGO.
SO DIRECTLY OPPOSITE THE FRONT, THE LOADING AREA.
IF THE BOARD RECALLS YOU ENTER THE PROPERTY, THERE'S PARKING SPACES UP AGAINST HAVEN.
THESE ARE THE LOADING SPACES WHICH ARE RESPECT UNDERBUILDING.
IT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER BUILDING.
AND THEY ASK THAT WE ADD A CURB CUT IN THIS LOCATION HERE, SO THEY'RE ABLE TO JUST PULL BACK OUT.
THAT THE CONDITION OF THEIR APPROVAL.
I JUST NOT TO LET THE BOARD KNOW.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYBODY, UH, ON THE BOARD? HOW ABOUT THE PUBLIC? DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO SPEAK? AARON? WE DO HAVE MR. BODEN.
UM, WE'RE IN A ERA OF GLOBAL WARMING AND SAFETY.
PEDESTRIAN SAFETY IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SPEAK ABOUT IN GREENBURG ALL THE TIME.
THE CROSSWALK THAT YOU HAVE INDICATED IS THIS LATTER CROSSWALK.
THAT'S THE STATE OF YORK OFTEN USES, BUT IS NOT THE SAFEST CROSSWALK.
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THE SAFEST CROSSWALK IS THE B A R EUROPEAN, NEW YORK CITY USES IT.ONLY THE STATE OF CONNECTICUT USES IT.
AND IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN SAFETY, THE BAR CROSSWALK IS THE ONLY ONE THAT THE DRIVER CAN RECOGNIZE.
AND UNTIL YOU CHANGE EVERY CROSSWALK ON EVERY PLAN TO THE B A R BAR CROSSWALK TO BE RECOGNIZED BY THE DRIVER, THE PEDESTRIAN IS STANDING THERE.
IT'S TIME YOU TOOK THE SAFETY OF THE PEDESTRIAN INTO CONSIDERATION.
IF NOTHING ELSE, IT'S TIME TO STANDARDIZE THE SAFEST CROSSWALK THAT'S RECOGNIZED BY THE DRIVER.
THE DRIVER HAS TO SEE THEIR CROSSWALK AND THE DRIVER NOT SUGGEST YOU BRING THAT UP WITH THE TOWN BOARD.
THIS IS ON THE PLAN RIGHT NOW.
WE NEVER REQUIRE THEM TO CHANGE A CROSSWALK.
THAT'S NOT PART, THAT'S NOT THEY, THAT'S NOT PART OF WHAT THEY DO.
WE CAN'T REQUIRE THAT AS PART OF THIS.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS RIGHT, BUT YOU HAVE IT ON A PLAN, AND THAT PLAN CAN BE CHANGED.
AND I OBJECT TO A PLAN THAT THEY SUBMITTED THAT'S WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WHAT THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS ABOUT.
THEY SUBMITTED A PLAN WITH A CROSSWALK THAT'S NOT SAFE.
I ASKED THAT, THAT BE CHANGED TO A SAFE CROSSWALK.
THE OTHER IS TRUE AS WELL, BUT NOT SPECIFICALLY TO WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
I OBJECT TO AN UNSAFE CROSSWALK, AND I ASK THAT THE PLANS BE CHANGED TO A SAFEWALK.
MR. SCHMIDT, WHAT WERE WE YOU GONNA SAY? IT WAS ONLY GONNA SAY THAT, UM, THIS HAS COME UP IN OTHER APPLICATIONS.
WE CAN ASK THE APPLICANT TO TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION.
THE BOARD HAS THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
WE WILL COMMUNICATE WITH OUR INTERNAL STAFF ABOUT IT.
I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT AS PART OF FOLLOW UP EITHER TOMORROW OR FRIDAY COORDINATE AND I CAN REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD ON THAT.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENT.
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC? UH, THERE WERE A FEW PEOPLE THAT ASKED FOR THE, UH, THE LINK AND NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO SPEAK UP IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE US? YES.
JUST, UH, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU PUT UP YOUR, UM, TOWN OF GREENBURG OFFICE OF, UH, THE MEMORANDUM THAT SHOWS THE, UH, ORDINANCE CODES OF THE, UH, 12, UM, THE 12, UH, VARIANCES, VARIANCES THAT YOU'LL BE DOING.
UM, IF I MAY, MR. TE DANOWSKI, UH, CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR, UH, ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THEN I WILL ADDRESS THE MATTER OF THE VARIANCES? NO PROBLEM.
UH, PROPERTY I OWN IS AT 32 HAYES STREET IN ELMSFORD, NEW YORK.
IT'S CURRENTLY OCCUPIED BY THE ANCHOR TENANT IS PENSKE TRUCK LEASING.
I'M, I'M PREPARED AND AT THE BOARD'S REQUEST, I CAN DIG UP THE VARIANCE DETERMINATION MEMO, BUT PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS THE PLANNING BOARD AND NOT THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
THIS ISN'T THE PLACE REALLY TO BE DISCUSSING IS WE DIDN'T DECIDE ON THE VARIANCES.
THAT'S NOT OUR, OUR, OUR WELL, ALL I WOULD ASK, ALL I WOULD ASK IS THAT, UM, I ONLY LEARNED ABOUT THIS.
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ALL THE ELMSFORD MEETING, SO I COULDN'T ATTEND.
I JUST LEARNED OF THIS PROJECT, UM, WITHIN THE LA UH, LAST THURSDAY AFTER THAT MEETING.
I DIDN'T GIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE OR ANY INVITATION TO ANY OF THE PRIOR MEETINGS.
UM, WHICH IS WHY I'M BRINGING IT UP NOW.
WELL, THERE'S NOTHING, FRANKLY.
THEY THE WHAT YOU COULD DO, AARON, IF, IF YOU'VE GOT 'EM QUICKLY, JUST SHOW 'EM WHAT THE, WHAT THE VARIANCES ARE.
UM, IF IN GREEN, WHERE, BY THE WAY, YOU LIVE IN ELMSFORD, SIR, I DON'T LIVE IN ELMSFORD.
I, MY BUILDING IS IN ELMSFORD.
THE, ONE OF THE ISSUES IS ARE GREENBERG'S UM, ZONING CODE IS ACTUALLY MUCH STRICTER THAN THE ZONING CODE THAT WAS IN, THAT'S IN ELMSFORD.
IT JUST HAPPENED THAT BECAUSE OF THE CONFIGURATION OF THE BUILDING, THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE, I DO UNDERSTAND ALL THAT ENDED UP IN THAT IN GREENBURG, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED BECAUSE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING'S IN GREENBURG, DO YOU HAVE A LISTING OF THEM THAT YOU COULD PUT UP QUICKLY, AARON? SO AT LEAST YOU CAN SEE THAT UNFORTUNATELY, UH, NOT I HAVE IT IN HARD COPY FORMAT, BUT
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NOT, UH, DIGITAL COULD, BUT IMM HAPPY TO REVIEW IT WITH MR. TOSKI.IF HE COULD CALL MR. SCHMIDT IN THE MORNING OR, OR EMAIL MR. SCH SCHMIDT, IF I COULD JUST MAKE A FEW SIMPLE POINTS.
UH, WE'RE TALKING THE AVERAGE, ALL OF THE DIFFERENCES ON THESE BETWEEN THE PERMITTED PROPOSED ARE IT'S ALMOST 50%.
WALTER, WOULD YOU PUT YOUR MIC ON MUTE BECAUSE I DIDN'T HEAR, HEAR WHAT HAPPENED THERE? SAY THAT AGAIN.
THE OVERALL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE PERMITTED AND PROPOSED ARE IN, IN ALL CASES, IF YOU TAKE THEM ALL INTO CONSIDERATION AND TAKE THE PERCENTAGE, IT'S 45%.
UM, DOES THIS MEAN THAT THE REST OF US ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ADD, UM, TWO STORIES TO OUR BUILDING? I, FIRST OF ALL, I'M NOT IN A, IT ACTUALLY, THE, THE HEIGHT, I BELIEVE, AND MR. STEIN, YOU CAN ANSWER THAT IS PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT THE ELMSFORD ZONING LAW IS.
IT WAS A GREENBERG ZONING LAW.
SO WE DID, WE DID NOT, WE DID NOT REQUIRE A HEIGHT VARIANCE IN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD.
WE REQUIRED TWO VERY TECHNICAL VARIANCES.
UM, OUR, OUR NEIGHBOR, MR. TOSKI, SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT IN TERMS OF THE ELMSFORD CODE THAT I GATHER, C COVERS HIS PROPERTY, WE'RE EFFECTIVELY COMPLIANT WITH THAT.
UM, AND THERE CAN BE NUMEROUS BUILDINGS IN THAT AREA NOW THAT IN FACT WOULD BE FIVE STORIES, UH, OR MORE.
UH, IT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY ELMSFORD PROCESSED THIS APPLICATION AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS AS THEY DID, BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTOOD WE WERE CONSISTENT WITH THEIR CODE.
AS THE CHAIR JUST INDICATED, GREENBERG'S LI CODE IS REALLY NOT DESIGNED FOR THIS SECTION OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND I CAN SEE THE CHAIR NODDING.
IN FACT, UM, MR. TOSKI, AT AN EARLIER MEETING, OUR TEAM DEMONSTRATED TO THE TOWN OF GREENBERG THAT ABSOLUTELY NONE OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE TOWN OF GREENBERG THAT SURROUND OUR PROPERTY COMPLY WITH ZONING.
SO, UM, IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS SECTION OF GREENBERG IS BASICALLY GOT AN LI ZONE THAT'S WRITTEN FOR LOW-RISE WAREHOUSE UP BY, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER SECTION OF THE TOWN, IN MY OPINION.
UM, HAVING SAID THAT, UH, WE HAVE COMPLETED THE PROCESS AND THERE IS A SECRET DETERMINATION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ISSUED.
WELL, I, I, I THINK, AND JUST TO BUILD ON, I'M SORRY, MR. THE, THE, THE, THE, I THINK THE KEY TO IT IS THE FACT THAT YOUR QUESTION SEEMS TO BE AROUND THE HEIGHT AND SPECIFICALLY, AND THAT IS THE CODED ELSEWHERE.
AS I SAID, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT MR. CHAIRMAN, THE CODE IN ELMSFORD PERMITS 150 FEET IN THIS ZONE, AND WE'RE ABOUT A THIRD OF THAT, RIGHT? SO IT REALLY HAS NOTHING THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
IT JUST HAPPENED, AS WE SAID, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING ENDS UP GREENBURG.
SO UNLESS THEY WANTED TO LOWER THE HEIGHT OF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, THEY CAME TO, CAME TO THE TOWN FOR THE VARIANCE.
THE VARIANCE THOUGH, IS NOT GRANTED BY THIS BOARD.
WE, WE, UH, WE SEND THAT REFER THE VARIANCES TO THE ZONING BOARD.
THAT IS THEIR, THEIR PURVIEW, NOT OURS.
WE CAN'T OVER OVERRULE AZO A ZONING CODE.
UH, THAT'S NOT, NOT, UH, OUR JURISDICTION.
WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, FIRST OF ALL, IS, UH, SEND AN EMAIL TO, TO MR. SCHMID.
HE CAN SEND YOU WHAT THE DETAILS OF THE VARIANCES ARE INTO
IF YOU'RE STILL, EXCUSE ME, CONCERNED ABOUT IT, FEEL FREE TO SEND A LETTER TO THE ZONING BOARD BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE DECISION IS NOT, NOT HERE FOR THAT.
IF THEY TURN DOWN THE VARIANCES, THIS GOES AWAY.
IF THEY ACCEPT THE VARIANCES, WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THEIR VARIANCES.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT.
SO WE LOOK AT IT FROM, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THINGS LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WITH SITE PLAN, TRAFFIC FLOW DRAINAGE IN ALL OF THOSE THINGS, WHICH WE FIND THIS TO BE AN IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT IT WAS.
WE REALLY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION OVER THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.
SO I'M, I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THOSE, UH, TOMORROW.
MOST CERTAINLY IF YOU WANT TO CONTACT MY OFFICE.
AND YOU ARE AWARE THAT THIS IS THE SIXTH.
THIS WILL MAKE SIX STORAGE FACILITIES WITHIN A MILE THAT WAS ALSO CONSTRUCTED BY THIS BOARD IN THIS WORK SECTION.
AND, AND THESE THINGS DON'T HIRE A LOT OF PEOPLE.
THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, THEY, UM, YOU'RE GONNA LOSE 10 PARKING SPACES ON THE OTHER SIDE ON THE HAVEN STREET IN ORDER TO GET THE TRUCKS INTO THAT GATE.
UM, YET YOU'RE, UH, YOU'RE, UH, PERMITTED 30 BASES AND, AND, AND YOU'RE ONLY USING, AND YOU'RE ONLY CREATING 14.
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INCLUDE THE 10 WE'RE GONNA LOSE IN THE STREET.UM, I, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S FRIENDLY TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AGAIN, EXCUSE ME, USING ALL KINDS OF STREET PARKING.
THAT'S NOT EVEN ADDRESSED, I DON'T THINK.
FIRST OF ALL, THESE KINDS OF FACILITIES GENERALLY DON'T GENERATE A LOT OF CARS.
AT ONE TIME, TRUCKS DELIVERING, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY FILL IT.
IT'S A HUNDRED AND SOME ODD THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
IT'S GONNA TAKE A WHILE TO FILL IT.
WELL, AS I SAID, THE, THE, THE, THE VARIANCES ARE WITH THE, FIRST OF ALL, WE CAN'T DICTATE WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS SOMEBODY PUTS IN THERE IF IT'S WITHIN CODE.
I, IT'S THE OTHER THING I WANNA TELL YOU.
WE CAN'T SAY, WE DON'T, WHETHER WE, AND BELIEVE ME, I BELIEVE IT WAS MR. SIMON QUIZZED MR. STEINITZ FOR A WHILE ABOUT, ABOUT THE APPROPRIATENESS OF A STOR STORAGE FACILITY IN THAT AREA.
AND WE, THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN DETAIL AND FE I FEEL FREE, MR. SCHMIDT CAN LEAD YOU TO THE, TO THE HEARING, UH, WHERE WE ACTUALLY DID THAT.
AND YOU'LL FEEL FREE TO WATCH THAT AS WELL.
UH, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T DICTATE AND APPROVE.
WE CAN'T SAY, WELL, WE DON'T LIKE DISAPPROVE USE THAT, THAT AGAIN, IS WAY BEYOND ANYBODY'S PURVIEW BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT OUR CODE SAYS, THAT THIS ISN'T APPROVED USE WITHIN THE ZONE.
SO THAT, THAT, THAT AGAIN, IS, THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN THINGS THE LAND USE BOARD CAN DO.
THE VARIANCES I SAID ARE, ARE THE PURVIEW OF THE ZONING BOARD, NOT THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO AT THIS POINT, WHAT I DO IS SUGGEST THAT, THAT YOU TALK TO MR. SMIDT TOMORROW, GET A COPY OF THE VARIANCES AND, UM, IF YOU GET AN ISSUE WITH IT, BUT JUST ABOUT YOUR TIME, IT'S ALREADY APPROVED.
NO, I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS ALREADY APPROVED.
I SAID IT IS UP FOR, IT'S UP FOR FINAL, UH, APPROVAL IN THE ZONING BOARD AT THEIR NEXT MEETING ON THE 15TH OF SEPTEMBER, RIGHT UP FOR DECISION.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TOO, TOO LATE TO TO DISCUSS IT WITH THEM.
I MEAN, PUBLIC NOTICE HAVE GONE OUT ON THIS.
IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE, UH, IN FRONT OF US AND OVER TO THE ZONING JUST ON THURSDAY, AS I SAID.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US AT LEAST BE ABLE TO SUBMIT AFTER I SEE THOSE TO SUBMIT OUR COMPLAINTS IN WRITING.
THEN I CAN'T, AGAIN, I'M NOT THE CHAIRMAN, I'M NOT THE CHAIR OF THE ZONING BOARD.
I'M THE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO THAT'S A DISCUSSION YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE WITH THE ZONING BOARD.
AT THIS POINT, WE'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION TONIGHT.
WE'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION TILL AFTER THE ZONING BOARD MAKES THEIR DECISION.
WE CAN'T MAKE A DECISION TILL AFTER THE ZONING BOARD MAKES A DECISION.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST YOU BRING THAT, THOSE ISSUES TO THE ZONING BOARD.
MR. SCHMID, HOW DO I GET AHOLD OF YOU TOMORROW? I'LL GIVE YOU MY NUMBER.
9 1 4 9 8 9 1 5 3 4 FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS IT.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK? AARON, UH, AT THIS TIME, DOES ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK? I THINK THAT'S IT, CHAIRPERSON.
UM, IN THAT CASE, I'D LIKE TO CLOSE, HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL WHEN? 14TH TO THE 14TH OF SEPTEMBER.
AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, I WOULD SAY THE 15TH TO COINCIDE WITH THE Z B A.
CAN I HAVE THAT MOTION PLEASE? SO I'M MOVED.
DO YOU, CAN I HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND IT.
ALL OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON THEN.
WE'LL SEE YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING.
OKAY, THE NEXT CASE, UH, IS CASE PB 20 DASH 24, WHICH IS, EXCUSE ME, TONIGHT'S MY, MY ALEX IS HORRIBLE BLUE ENERGY AT 1 51, UH, FULTON STREET WHITE PLAINS.
WE HAVE SEEN, UH, THIS PROJECT, UH, FOR A WHILE NOW.
IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR, FOR A WHILE.
UM, WE HAD SOME ISSUES EARLY ON, AND I'LL HAVE MS. GARRIS DESCRIBE THE PROJECT IN A MINUTE.
UH, BECAUSE WE FRANKLY DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS TECHNOLOGY AND DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS OF THIS TECHNOLOGY WERE.
AND WE ACTUALLY HIRED A CONSULTANT TO HELP US THROUGH THAT PART.
THERE WERE SOME, UM, VARIANCES THAT WERE NEEDED TO, UH, PUT THE, UH, THE FUEL CELL, UH, IN THE MOST OPTIMAL PLACE ON THE PROPERTY.
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OR AT LEAST THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION.AND THAT WENT TO THE ZONING BOARD.
THE ZONING BOARD HAS HEARD IT.
IT IS NOW UP FOR DECISION, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, MS. GARRIS AND WILL BE HOPEFULLY DECIDED AT THEIR MEETING ON THE FIFTH 15TH OF JANUARY.
UH, THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND AT THIS POINT.
MS. GARRIS, IF YOU COULD JUST COUPLE OF MINUTES DESCRIBE THE PROJECT, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND, AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU ALL FOR THE RECORD.
I'M A PARTNER WITH DELBELLO DENEL AND WINEGARTEN WISE AND WHITAKER, AS YOU MENTIONED.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M HERE THIS EVENING ON BEHALF OF BLOOM ENERGY.
WE HAVE THE BLOOM ENERGY TEAM, THE ENVIRONMENTAL TEAM, AND OUR CONSULTANT JOINING US IN THE EVENT THE BOARD HAS ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, AS YOU MENTIONED, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS AN APPLICATION WHICH HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
I BELIEVE IT WAS FIRST FILED WITH THIS BOARD IN NOVEMBER OF 2020.
UH, WE WERE BROUGHT ON BOARD EARLIER THIS YEAR TO HELP MOVE THE PROCESS ALONG.
AND I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, SINCE THAT TIME, WE'VE DONE SOME REALLY NICE WORK TOGETHER.
UH, OUR CONSULTANTS, UH, WORKED WITH YOUR CONSULTANTS VERY WELL AND ADDRESSED ALL OF THE DIFFERENT, UM, CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS YOU HAD.
SO THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL, UH, FOR THE INSTALLATION OF SIX NATURAL GAS CLEAN FUEL CELL ENERGY SERVERS AT THE PROPERTY.
LOCATED AT, AS I SAID, AT 1 51 FULTON, THAT PROPERTY'S IN THE IB DISTRICT.
IT CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 1.23 ACRES.
UM, YOU MENTIONED MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, A COUPLE OF VARIANCES.
THERE'S ONLY ONE VARIANCE THAT'S REQUIRED HERE, AND THAT IS TO ALLOW THE, UM, ACCESSORY USE IN THE FRONT YARD.
UM, THIS PROPERTY IS A CORNER PROPERTY AND IT'S IRREGULARLY SHAPED.
SO, UH, BECAUSE OF THAT, IT ACTUALLY HAS TWO FRONT YARDS.
UH, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, UH, IS TYPICALLY NOT PERMITTED IN THE FRONT YARD.
SO WE ARE BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD, AND WE'RE SEEKING A VARIANCE FOR THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO MENTION TO THIS BOARD, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID MENTION TO THE ZONING BOARD WAS THAT IF THIS WERE A, A, UH, PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE ON THE BUILDING, IT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THE LOCATION THAT IT IS PROPOSED.
HERE WE DO MEET THE FRONT YARD SETBACK FOR A PRINCIPAL BUILDING.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE VARIANCE THAT WE'RE SEEKING IS MORE TECHNICAL IN NATURE, RATHER THAN SOMETHING THAT'S DIMENSIONAL AND, YOU KNOW, DIMENSIONALLY NOT CONFORMING.
UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED, SIX NATURAL GAS CLEAN FUEL CELLS, UH, WHICH WILL, UH, HELP THE LTS FACILITY THAT'S AT THAT PROPERTY.
UM, AGAIN, WE HAVE THAT CORRESPONDING APPLICATION TO THE ZONING BOARD.
UH, WE WERE BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD BACK ON AUGUST 11TH.
AT THAT TIME, UH,
SO WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT AT THE MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 15TH, UH, THEY WILL FINISH THE, UH, THEIR REVIEW AND, UH, HOPEFULLY VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.
AS YOU KNOW, YOU SENT A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION, UH, BACK TO THEM, UH, ACTUALLY TWICE, ONCE, UH, IN THE FIRST INSTANCE WHEN WE WERE FIRST APPEARING.
UH, AND THEN SECONDLY, AFTER WE APPEARED BEFORE YOU BACK, I THINK IT WAS ON AUGUST 3RD, UH, WHEN WE HAD COMPLETED, UH, THE, UH, ADDRESSED ALL OF THE, THE CONCERNS, UH, AND COMMENTS RAISED BY THE TOWNS CONSULTANTS.
SO, UM, I KNOW YOU'VE SEEN IT MANY TIMES.
THAT'S REALLY IT IN A NUTSHELL.
AGAIN, WE HAVE OUR ENTIRE TEAM HERE THIS EVENING TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
UH, BUT AGAIN, WE BELIEVE THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS.
I THINK, UH, AND YOUR HONOR, AARON, GO AHEAD.
I THINK, UH, JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, IF YOU COULD PUT UP THE DRAWING QUICKLY AND JUST KINDA MAYBE USE THE CURSOR TO IDENTIFY THE LOCATION OF WHERE THE UNITS ARE PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED AND I IDENTIFY THE SITE.
I DID ALSO JUST QUICKLY WANNA MENTION THAT WE DO HAVE MR. ED LARKIN ON THE TOWNS CONSULTANT IN THE EVENT THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM THIS EVENING.
SO KRISTEN GRILLO WITH, UH, BLOOM IS WITH ME THIS EVENING.
SHE'S GOING TO SHARE HER SCREEN.
UM, WE CAN SHOW YOU AND YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, MR. SCHMIDT, YOU CAN LET US KNOW WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE.
WE HAVE THE OVERALL SITE PLAN, WHICH IS OUR DRAWING, G 1.1, WHICH WE CAN SHARE WITH YOU, AND THAT'LL SHOW YOU THE LAYOUT.
UH, WE ALSO SUBMITTED AS PART OF OUR, UH, MATERIALS TO YOU, I KNOW WE MADE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT SUBMISSIONS TO YOU WHERE WE SHARED, UM, PHOTOS ELEVATIONS, WHICH DEPICTED THE LOCATION AND WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND I KNOW WE WORKED HARD WITH, UH, WITH YOU WITH REGARD TO SCREENING AND OTHER THINGS.
UM, SO WHY DON'T WE START WITH THE SITE PLAN AND THEN KRISTEN, IF YOU HAVE THOSE ELEVATIONS, WE CAN SHARE THEM.
UM, I, I THINK, I THINK FOR RIGHT NOW, JUST THE SITE PLAN WILL SUFFICE.
IF, IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ELEVATIONS AS WE GO FORWARD, WE'LL DO IT.
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'CAUSE IT'S GETTING A LITTLE LATE IN THE EVENING.AND WE STILL HAVE TWO MORE CASES THIS EVENING.
SO I'D LIKE TO GET THROUGH THIS.
SO IF YOU COULD SHOW THE SITE PLAN, I'D APPRECIATE IT, YOUR HONOR.
IT'S OKAY TO SHARE MY SCREEN? YES, YES.
SO THIS IS OUR, UH, OVERALL SITE PLAN.
THE INSTALLATION IS RIGHT HERE, UM, RUNNING ALONG, UH, RUSSELL STREET.
I COULD ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, BETTER IDEA.
UM, SO, YEP, THESE ARE OUR SERVERS.
UM, THERE IS GOING TO BE A, UH, AN ADDITIONAL FENCE AROUND THE SERVERS AS WELL, WHERE THAT, WHERE ALSO ADDITIONAL, UM, NOISE MITIGATION, UH, UM, PANELS ARE GOING TO BE PLACED.
UM, WE'VE ALSO DISCUSSED, UH, SOME LANDSCAPING OPTIONS ALSO AROUND THE FENCE TO JUST, UH, PRETTY IT UP BECAUSE BASICALLY THE NOISE MATERIAL THAT WE WERE USING WAS VERY UNATTRACTIVE.
UM, WE'VE AGREED TO WORK WITH THAT AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE SITE LOOKS PRETTY AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT DISCOURAGED BY ANY OF THE NOISE MITIGATION THAT WE WILL BE PUTTING UP.
THERE'S ALSO ALT'S REGULAR SECURITY FENCE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE TWO FENCES, UM, AS A SECURITY MEASURE THAT WILL BE PROTECTING THE SYSTEM.
AGAIN, ONE AROUND THE SYSTEM THAT, UH, BLOOM WILL HAVE SPECIFIC ACCESS TO, UM, ENTRANCES TO THOSE FENCES ARE MARKED AROUND THESE AREAS.
LITTLE DOORS RIGHT HERE PROVIDE ACCESS INTO THE SYSTEM, AREA AND THEN, UH, ALT FENCE, UM, WHICH, UH, UH, IS NOT SHOWN ON THIS PLAN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT OUR INSTALLATION.
BUT THEY DO HAVE THEIR OWN SECURITY FENCE TO ENTER THE PROPERTY, UM, UH, FOR THEIR OWN USE.
UM, IT'S AROUND THE FRONT, AS THEY CALL, IT'S AROUND THE CORNER IS, IS WHAT IT'S YES.
ON, ON FULTON, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, WE ALL, WE ARE PROPOSING THE REMOVAL OF ONE TREE, UM, WHICH, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO APPLY FOR A TREE PERMIT.
UM, AND, UM, I, I'M AS FAR AS, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, JUST TO REITERATE, UH, TO THE PUBLIC, UH, WHY WE ARE LOOKING TO PLACE IT IN THE FRONT YARD AS OPPOSED TO THE REAR YARD.
UM, AND WE'RE GOING FOR THE VARIANCE IS BECAUSE THE, UH, THE BIGGEST CONCERN WOULD BE, UM, EMERGENCY ACCESS TO THE SYSTEM.
SO IN CASE OF ANY KIND OF, UM, EMERGENCY EVENT OCCURS, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS DIRECT ACCESS TO THE SYSTEMS. UM, OUR BLOOM, UH, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE TEAM HAS ACCESS TO THE SYSTEMS BECAUSE, UH, IT IS NOT ACCESSIBLE, UM, BY THE SIDE YARD SETBACKS.
SO THAT IS WHY THIS IS THE MOST IDEAL LOCATION FOR THE SYSTEMS. KRISTEN, COULD YOU ALSO, UH, OR SOMEONE ON THE TEAM, UH, JUST EXPLAIN THE PURPOSE OF THESE FUEL CELLS, WHAT THEY'RE FOR? YES.
SO THE PURPOSE OF THE FUEL CELLS IS TO PROVIDE ALTICE WITH, UM, 1500 KILOWATTS OF BASE LOAD, UH, BASE LOAD POWER THAT IS GOING TO ASSIST THEM, UH, WITH THEIR, UM, REQUIRED USAGE, UM, TO PROVIDE, UM, THEIR OWN CLEAN ENERGY, YOU KNOW, UH, CLEAN ENERGY TO THEIR FACILITY, UH, WITHOUT, UH, RELYING ON THE GRID.
AND, UM, THIS IS A GRID PARALLEL SYSTEM, UH, WHICH BASICALLY MEANS, UM, OUR SYSTEMS DO RUN ALONG, UH, YOU KNOW, IN PARALLEL WITH THE, THE, UM, GRID SYSTEM.
AND, UM, IN THE EVENT OF A GRID SHUTDOWN, THE SYSTEMS DO SHUT DOWN AS WELL.
UH, THEY REMAIN IN A STANDBY MODE UNTIL THE GRID, UM, IS POWERED BACK UP.
UH, THE REASON FOR THAT IS JUST THE SAFETY PRECAUTION BECAUSE, AND THE REASON WHY I'M EXPLAINING THAT IS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE, UM, SEPARATE SYSTEMS, UH, THEY'RE CALLED MICROGRIDS THAT RUN INDEPENDENTLY.
THIS IS NOT THAT KIND OF SYSTEM, JUST IN CASE, IF ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC HAS, YOU KNOW, REVIEWED OUR WEBSITE AND WANNA KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GRID PARALLEL AND, UH, OUR MICROGRIDS, UM, WITH THIS BEING GRID PARALLEL AS WELL.
ANYTIME, IF THE LTS HAS ANY KIND OF, UM, LOW, UM, EXPONENTIAL USE, THE, AND, YOU KNOW, THE SYSTEMS ARE PROVIDING TOO MUCH ENERGY, WE DO, THE ENERGY IS EXPORTED BACK INTO THE GRID.
SO BASICALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS OUR SYSTEMS, UM, CAN ALSO ASSIST THE GRID WITH PROVIDING THEM CLEAN ENERGY.
UM, I'D LIKE TO JUST ASK OUR CO CONSULTANT TO JUST CONFIRM FOR THE PUBLIC, UH, WHAT HE DID IN TERMS OF ANALYSIS, IN TERMS OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
'CAUSE THAT CLEARLY HAS BEEN THE BIGGEST HURDLE IN GET IN GETTING TO WHERE WE ARE ON THIS.
SO I'D, I'D LIKE, UH, MR. LARKIN JUST TO OPINE ON WHAT HE, WHAT HE FOUND.
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UH, GOOD EVENING.UM, ED LARKIN WITH LABEL ASSOCIATES, UM, I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF.
WE DID DO A FULL, UM, FULL ENGINEERING AND ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, FUEL CELL TECHNOLOGY IS RELATIVELY NEW IN THE CLEAN ENERGY, UM, MARKET, BUT IT CERTAINLY HAS BEEN AROUND.
UM, OUR, OUR REVIEW DOVE INTO, UM, ALL DETAILS, BUT REALLY THE MAIN ITEMS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AND WORK THROUGH WITH THE DESIGN TEAM THAT'S HERE TODAY WAS AIR QUALITY AND AIR EMISSIONS TO ENSURE THAT THE PRODUCT BOTH ON A, ON A, UM, YOU KNOW, MACRO SCALE IS, WAS, WAS GOOD FOR THE, FOR THE CITY AND THE ENVIRONMENT OR FOR THE TOWN IN THE ENVIRONMENT, EXCUSE ME, AS WELL AS DID NOT PROVIDE ANY CONCERNS LOCALLY TO THE, TO THE, TO THE INSTALLATION, TO RESIDENTS OR NEIGHBORS TO THE PROPERTY.
SO WE WORKED THROUGH THOSE ITEMS, UH, UTILIZING A, UM, UH, DISPERSION MODELING SOFTWARE.
AND WE'VE COME TO A CONSENSUS THAT IT PRESENTS NO RISK TO THE IMMEDIATE, UM, NEIGHBORS OR THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY, AND CERTAINLY AS A VALUE, UM, ON A LARGE SCALE TO THE, TO THE TOWN AND TO THE, UM, TO THE STATE'S GOALS FOR MORE SUSTAINABLE CLEAN ENERGY.
UM, THE OTHER ITEM THAT WE ENDED UP FOCUSING ON WAS SAFETY AS IT PERTAINS TO HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, WHETHER THAT'S PRODUCTS BEING, UM, USED IN THE, IN THE PROCESS OR THE WASTE BEING REMOVED.
UH, WE WORKED THROUGH THAT AGAIN WITH THE APPLICANT TEAM AND THEY CLEARLY DEMONSTRATED THAT THIS IS A VERY SAFE PROCESS.
UH, WASTE PRODUCTS ARE CONTAINED, UM, SAFELY AND REMOVED FROM THE SITE.
UM, AND THE LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENT AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAMS, UM, HAVE BEEN EDUCATED AND WILL BE, UM, VERY AWARE OF HOW THE PROCESS TAKES PLACE AND WHAT THIS MEANS FOR THEM.
SO, UM, WITHOUT GETTING INTO A LOT OF THE OTHER DETAILS WE REVIEWED, UM, WE, WE CONCUR WITH THE APPLICANT'S TEAM THAT THIS IS A SAFE INSTALLATION AND ULTIMATELY A BENEFIT TO THE TOWN.
VERY MUCH MR. LOCKER, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY ON THE BOARD? NO.
WELL, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I, UH, I GO, JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR, I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC IS AWARE OF IT.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UH, UH, WASTE THAT IS GENERATED FROM THIS, FROM THE, THIS, UH, FACILITY, IT'S THE SCRUBBING.
IT IS THE SCRUBBING OF THE HYDROGEN SULFIDE, UH, ODORANT THAT'S ADDED TO THE GAS STREAM, WHICH IS EXTRACTED AND PUT IN THE CON IN A, A CONTAINER.
BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, UH, THE WASTE IS IN A SOLID CONTAINER.
IT'S NOT LIKE LIQUID WASTE THAT COULD DRIP OUT AND, AND, AND, AND ENTER THE ENVIRONMENT.
SO I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT THAT IS INDEED, UH, THE WASTE THAT'S BEING GENERATED IS THOSE CHEMICALS THAT ARE SCRUBBED FROM THE GAS AND THAT'S TRAPPED IN THE SOLID, UH, UH, ABSORBENT IS, THAT'S CORRECT.
IT'S A TANK AND IT'S NOT DONE AT THE SITE.
SO WE BASICALLY TAKE THE TANK'S FULLY CONTAINED WITHIN A LOCK MODULE.
AND SO A LOCKED TANK IS THEN TOOKEN OUT AND THEN, UM, DONE AT A FACILITY THAT HANDLES THAT.
YEAH, JUST, UH, UH, WHAT IS THE TIMELINE THAT THE PROJECT'S GONNA BE START AND THEN IT GOES, GOES ONLINE, UH, THE ENERGY
I THINK EITHER OUR CONSULTANTS OR YOU GUYS CAN TELL US THAT.
WELL, UH, WELL, I CAN ANSWER THAT.
SO WE WANNA START AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO INTO BUILDING PERMITS.
AND THEN, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, KRISTEN MENTIONED WE HAVE SOME THINGS TO DO WITH TREE REMOVAL AND, UM, UH, I THINK, UH, UH, ANOTHER AGENCY THAT WE HAVE TO TALK TO AS FAR AS THE BUILDING PERMIT, STANDARD BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS.
SO AS SOON AS WE COMPLETE THAT, WE INTEND TO START.
SO, UM, I'M, I'M HOPING YOU KNOW, THE FALL, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT GET A LATE, DELAYED A LITTLE BIT IF IT'S LIKE RIGHT AT LIKE HOLIDAYS, CHRISTMAS, WHATEVER.
UM, SO, UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UM, WE, WE JUST WANNA CHARGE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT AS SOON AS WE GET PERMITTED.
MY QUESTION IS THAT HOW LONG IT TAKES AFTER YOU GET ALL THE PERMITS SENT? OH, TO CON, TO CONSTRUCT YOU CONSTRUCTED IT? UM, IF WE'RE FIRING AT ALL CYLINDERS, WE CAN CONSTRUCT SOME PRETTY QUICK, 'CAUSE WE'VE DONE A LOT OF 'EM.
IT'S NOT A TERRIBLY COMPLICATED PROCESS.
SO IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE AS FAST AS LIKE EIGHT TO 10 WEEKS.
IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE LONGER THAN THAT.
I THINK MAYBE LIKE 13 WEEKS FOR THIS PROJECT.
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SOMETIMES IF THERE'S, THERE ARE SOME DELAYS IN CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE SUPPLY CHAIN, AND THEN WE'RE HEADING INTO WINTER.BUT, UM, UH, PROBABLY ABOUT LIKE 13 WEEKS, I WOULD SAY, WITHOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF EXPEDITING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC? YES.
I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD THIS AT THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THIS IS A DIFFERENT RECORD.
UH, I HAVE TO DO THIS FOR MEMORY, TO SAVE TIME.
THERE'S A CROSSWALK THERE THAT'S, UH, THE LATTER CROSSWALK THAT HAS TO BE CHANGED TO A BAR CROSSWALK FOR SAFETY REASONS.
AND MOST OBVIOUS TO THE DRIVER, UH, THE HANDICAP PARKING SPACES NEED TO BE LOOKED AT.
AND THE PILLARS THAT INDICATE THERE ARE HANDICAP SPACES HAVE TO BE MOVED TO THE CORNER AS A STANDARD PROCEDURE.
SO IN OTHER APPLICATIONS, THE HANDICAP DRIVER HAS THE OPTION OF DRIVING ACROSS AND GOING FORWARD, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO BACK OUT, UH, WE'VE ALWAYS PUT THE INDICATOR FOR A PARKING SPACE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
AND THAT HAS TO BECOME STANDARD AT THE SIDE TO PERMIT, UH, FOR SAFETY REASONS, AVOIDING BACKING OUT, UH, WHICH HAS BEEN DISCUSSED BEFORE TONIGHT.
UM, THIS HAS TO BE IN EACH WELL, THANK YOU.
ANY, ANYBODY ELSE? AARON? NO, NOT AT THIS TIME.
UM, I'D LIKE TO, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
KEEP THE RECORD OPEN ON SEPTEMBER 15TH, AND HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS WILL GET A DECISION FROM THE ZONING BOARD ON, ON THAT DAY.
I HAD, I, UH, MR. SNAGS MOVED IT.
WE'RE, WE'RE FINISHED WITH YOU GUYS FOR TONIGHT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING WHAT YOU DID.
AND, AND, AND MS. GARRIS, I THINK YOUR INVOLVEMENT REALLY DID HELP MOVE, MOVE IT TO MOVE IT FORWARD.
AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU'VE DONE ON THIS.
YOU HAVE A GREAT TEAM HERE, SO THANK YOU.
AND THE COOPERATION OF BLOOM ENERGY TOO.
'CAUSE I'M SURE IT WAS VERY FRUSTRATING FOR THEM BECAUSE WE WERE NEOPHYTES, WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT
OH, I'VE LEARNED A LOT FROM THEM.
A GREAT COMPANY AND, UH, HOPE TO DO SOME MORE IN THE TOWN WITH THEM.
'CAUSE THEY ARE JUST, THEY'RE A GREAT COMPANY TO WORK WITH.
THEY SHOULD KNOW THAT UH, TWO OF US ON THIS BOARD ARE, UH, GOING TO BE ON WHAT WILL BE A NEW BOARD, A NEW, NOT A BOARD, A NEW COMMITTEE, WHICH IS THE ALTERNATIVE ENERGY COMMITTEE.
SUSTAINABLE ENERGY COMMITTEE IN, IN GREENBURG.
AND, UH, WE MAY BE CALLING ON YOU TO PICK YOUR BRAIN AT SOME POINT DURING, DURING THAT.
AGAIN, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL AWAIT THE ZONING BOARD'S DECISION, BUT FOR NOW, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL PUT AN ON FOR DECISION ON THE 21ST IF WE CAN'T OKAY.
IF, IF WE CAN GET THE ZONING BOARD'S DECISION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE BOARD.
I'LL SEE YOU IN A FEW MINUTES.
UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GO BACK INTO WORK SESSION, PLEASE? SO MOVED.
UH, MR. SIMON, WILL YOU SECOND? SECOND.
IS THERE ANYBODY OPPOSED TO DOING THAT? GOOD.
WE'RE GOING BACK INTO WORK, RIGHT INTO WORK SESSION.
'CAUSE WE'RE RUNNING A FEW MINUTES, ABOUT 10 MINUTES BEHIND, AND WE STILL HAVE TWO PROJECTS TO GO TONIGHT.
IF WALTER WASN'T SO LONG-WINDED, WE'D BE PROBABLY 15 MINUTES AHEAD, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.
THE, THE NEXT, UH, CASE, IT'S NEW.
WE HAVE TWO CASES, WHICH ARE NEW BUSINESS TONIGHT.
THE FIRST ONE IS CASE PB 2215, WHICH IS GOLF ON SOCIAL AT 6 9 91 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE SOUTH.
IT'S RIGHT ACROSS, JUST PEOPLE WANNA KNOW WHERE IT IS.
IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM WHERE THE, UH, 24 HOUR FITNESS IS.
IT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT.
ON CENTRAL AVENUE IN EDGEMONT.
UM, AND THEY WILL GO INTO, UM, WHAT THE PROJECT IS ABOUT.
I DO WANNA SAY ONE THING THOUGH, PUBLICLY NOW.
THERE HAVE BEEN THINGS PUT ON THE INTERNET ABOUT THIS PROJECT ALREADY BEING APPROVED AND COMPLETED.
WELL, IT'S NOT APPROVED AND COMPLETED UNTIL, UM, WE
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ACTUALLY GRANT THE SPECIAL PERMIT.UM, SO WE'RE EXCITED THAT YOU'RE HERE.
SO, BUT LET'S UNDERSTAND THAT WE STILL NEED TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S, THAT EVERYTHING IS OKAY AND FITS WITH THE, WITH OUR, UH, CODE BEFORE WE CAN GRANT THAT SPECIAL PERMIT.
OKAY? THERE IS A PROCESS TO DO THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO TONIGHT.
THE PROCESS IS FOR YOU GUYS TO PRESENT THIS TO US TONIGHT.
IF WE HEAR, UNLESS WE HAVE HUGE AMOUNT OF QUESTIONS, WE HOPEFULLY CAN PUT THIS ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING, UH, AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
THAT WOULD BE OUR GOAL TO DO IT.
IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT QUESTIONS COME UP TONIGHT.
SO, UM, HAVING SAID THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER.
AARON, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER? THE APPLICANT? NO, I THINK, UM, WE, UH, IT'S A SPECIAL PERMIT, AS YOU MENTIONED, FULLY ENCLOSED.
COMMERCIAL RECREATION FACILITY DOESN'T INVOLVE ANY SITE WORK, SO THERE'S NO SITE PLAN, IT'S JUST THE PLANNING BOARD SPECIAL PERMIT.
UH, THERE ARE 86 EXISTING OFF STREET PARKING SPACES ON THE SITE.
74 OFF STREETS PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED UNDER THE CODE.
SO THEY MEET THAT REQUIREMENT, AND I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO THE PROJECT TEAM AT THIS TIME.
SO, THANK YOU, UM, TO THE ENTIRE BOARD.
MY NAME IS MATT AUERBACK AND I REPRESENT, UH, GULF ZONE SOCIAL.
UM, JOINED HERE BY THE ARCHITECTURAL TEAM, UH, FROM BRIGHT ARCHITECTURE.
AND I BELIEVE, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER, MR. WEINBERG IS ALSO ON.
UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS, UH, TURNING A, WHAT WAS AN EXISTING, UM, FURNITURE STORE, UM, INTO A RECREATIONAL FACILITY, UH, GATHERING FACILITY, SOCIAL FACILITY FOR THE CONSTITUENTS OF THE TOWN.
UM, IT IN, IT INVOLVES, UH, A FOOD AND BEVERAGE COMPONENT ALONG WITH THE, THE MAIN FOCUS IS, IS GOLF, SIMULATED GOLF.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY THE GOLF ZONE IS A KOREAN COMPANY THAT CREATED, UH, THE TECHNOLOGY THAT IS USED BY, UM, A NUMBER OF PROFESSIONAL GOLFERS, UH, SPECIFICALLY IN KOREA.
AND IT'S TAKEN ON, UH, ADOPTION THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, UM, IN RECENT YEARS.
AND OUR CHARGE IS TO PROVIDE AN ALTERNATE, UH, SOURCE OF RECREATION FOR PEOPLE THAT EITHER, UM, FEEL THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE, THE TIME OR THE, THE ACCESS TO OUTDOOR GOLF.
UM, AND CERTAINLY PROVIDE THAT SAME ENJOYMENT, UH, FOR, FOR OUT, FOR THE PEOPLE THAT DO ENJOY OUTDOOR GOLF.
UH, TO HAVE, TO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE, UH, PLACE TO, TO COME EITHER WORK ON THEIR GAME OR PLAY COURSES THAT THEY WOULDN'T OTHERWISE, UM, BE ABLE TO PLAY, UH, BECAUSE OF ACCESS.
SO THE, THE TECHNOLOGY, UM, CREATES, UH, SUB-IN ACCURATE, UH, GRAPHICS OF, OF REAL GOLF COURSES.
AND RIGHT NOW THE, WE'VE GOT ABOUT 180 PLUS GOLF COURSES IN THE SYSTEM.
UM, SO, AND THE, THE, THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY THAT DIFFERS FROM, FROM OTHER SIMULATED GOLF, UH, ENTERTAINMENT, IS THE PUTTING IS MUCH MORE REALISTIC.
THE SHORT GAME IS MUCH MORE REAL REALISTIC.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STRIKE MATS FROM FAIRWAY TO ROUGH, UH, MULTIPLE LEVELS OF ROUGH AND, AND BUNKER, BUNKER, UH, TURF AS WELL.
SO IT SIMULATES EVERYTHING FROM THE ACTUAL LIE THAT YOU MAY GET IN THE FAIRWAY, UM, TO GIVING YOU THE FULL DIAGNOSTIC CHARACTERISTICS OF WHERE YOUR BALL WOULD WIND UP SHOULD YOU BE PLAYING THE ACTUAL GOLF COURSE ITSELF.
UM, COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR, FOR YOU, WHAT ARE THE HOURS GONNA BE? SO WE OPERATE, UH, A STORE IN CHELSEA PIERCE, CONNECTICUT, WHICH IS CURRENTLY BRANDED UNDER ZRICH.
UM, IT IS ADJACENT, UH, TO A FITNESS CENTER.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH, WITH THE LAYOUT OF CHELSEA PIERCE STANFORD.
UM, AND WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE FOLKS THAT LIKE TO COME IN BEFORE WORK AND, AND PLAY, AND WE HAVE FOLKS THAT LIKE TO PLAY, YOU KNOW, AT NINE, 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT WITH THEIR FRIENDS.
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A MOVING TARGET.
UH, WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYONE HAS THEIR, HAS THEIR, UH, REGULATIONS WITH RESPECT TO OPERATING HOURS.
UM, WE WILL NOT BE OPEN 24 HOURS, LIKE THE FITNESS CENTER ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, BUT, BUT WE WILL BE VERY ACCESSIBLE AND WE WILL, WE WILL TAKE THE BUSINESS AS IT COMES.
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YOU A, A, A SNAPSHOT, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 9:00 AM TO MIDNIGHT.AND ARE YOU SERVING, ARE YOU PLANNING TO SERVE ALCOHOL? YES.
SO YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING A LICENSE ALREADY, OR WE ARE.
THIS, WE WE'RE OBVIOUSLY, I THINK WE'RE REQUIRED 30 DAYS NOTICE, UM, PROVIDE THE, THE LIQUOR CONTROL BOARD.
UM, SO WE WOULD BE CONSIDERING THESE HEARINGS, UM, OVER THE, OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT MONTH AS THAT 30 DAY INTRODUCTION.
WHAT'S THE PRO, WHAT'S THE PRICING FOR ROUND, UH, THAT'S YET TO BE DETERMINED AT, AT CHELSEA P RIGHT NOW, IT JUST DEPENDS.
YOU CAN, WE, WE CHARGE BY THE HOUR.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE THE BOWLING STYLE, UH, METHOD OF ENTERTAINMENT.
SO IF, IF YOU WANTED TO GO IN AND PLAY 18 HOLES, YOU COULD DO THAT IN AN HOUR.
UM, IF YOU WANTED TO DRINK AND EAT AND PLAY WITH THREE OF YOUR FRIENDS, UH, YOU SHOULD PLAN ON THREE OR FOUR HOURS OF TIME, WANTED TO PLAY WELL.
ME, I'D PROBABLY PROBABLY BE 10, 12 HOURS FOR TWO OR THREE HOLES,
AND THERE, THERE ARE A MYRIAD OF OTHER GAMES THAT YOU CAN PLAY, UH, BESIDES GOLF, YOU CAN PLAY THAT.
WE HAVE DARTS THAT YOU CAN THROW A DARTBOARD OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN, SO IT'S ACTUALLY OUT IN A, IN THE LAKE.
AND YOU CAN PLAY CRICKET OR 300 WITH, WITH FRIENDS AND YOU'RE STILL HITTING A GOLF SHOT, SO TO SPEAK.
BUT YOU CAN, YOU CAN DIAL IT IN SO THAT IT'S, UH, IT'S A LOT MORE FUN.
AND, AND, UH, WE WANNA MAKE IT THE, YOU KNOW, THE KEY COMPONENT TO THIS IS SOCIAL.
UM, SO GOLF ZONE IS THE TECHNOLOGY THAT DRIVES EVERYTHING, BUT THE, THE SOCIAL ASPECT IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING AFTER.
DO YOU, DO YOU GET A LOT OF FAMILIES AND KID KIDS AT YOUR SAN FACILITY? A LOT OF BIRTHDAY PARTIES? UM, A LOT OF, UH, YEAH.
SO IT'S, IT'S FULL FAMILY ENTERTAINMENT.
YOU CAN BRING, YOU CAN BRING FIVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE NEVER PLAYED GOLF MM-HMM.
AND YOU CAN BRING PEOPLE WHO ARE SINGLE DIGIT HANDICAPS AND THEY WILL RESPECT THE FACT THAT THE TECHNOLOGY TRANSLATES TO THEIR GAME.
SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY SOUNDS INTERESTING.
IT'S, IT'S APPEALING TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT SEGMENTS OF, OF PEOPLE.
WHEN YOU INTRODUCE FRISBEE GOLF, I'LL BE THERE.
THAT'S TOUGH TO PULL OFF INSIDE.
ARE THERE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR PEOPLE ON THE BOARD REALLY? NONE.
NO, I HAVE, I DO HAVE, CORRECT.
I DO HAVE SOME, SOME VISUAL AIDS IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THE, THE FLOOR PLAN OR THE YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT.
AFTER THE SHOW THE PLAN, I THINK, UH, UH, YEAH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN PUT A, PUT YOUR PLAN BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE, I WAS LOOKING AT IT, SO THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
I'M A PROJECT ARCH ARCHITECT AT BRIGHT ARCHITECTURE.
UM, THE ARCHITECT'S WORKING ON THIS PROJECT.
SO JUST TO KIND OF JUMP IN REAL QUICK, TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT MATT SAID, UM, WE ARE TAKING OVER THE EXISTING BUILDING.
WE ARE CURRENTLY PROPOSING NO CHANGE TO THE EXTERIOR OR THE EXISTING SITE PLAN.
SO THERE'S NO CHANGE IN WASTEWATER, PARKING, TRAFFIC FLOW, ET CETERA.
UM, TO JUMP INTO THE PLAN REAL QUICK, THERE ARE 16 PROPOSED, UM, INDOOR GOLF SIMULATORS.
UM, I'LL GET BACK TO THE PLAN IN ONE SECOND, BUT LET ME START OFF WITH A, UM, A RENDERING OF A PROPOSED RENDERING OF, TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE LOOK AND FEEL, UM, THAT WE ARE AIM FOR.
UM, SO YOU'LL SEE THIS START WITH THE CLOSEUP KIND OF, OF THE, UH, GOLF SIMULATOR.
SO THEY ARE INDIVIDUAL BASE, UM, WHERE YOU CAN HAVE A GROUP OF, YOU KNOW, ONE TO SEVEN PEOPLE OR SO, UM, TO HANG OUT AND YOU WOULD RENT YOUR BAY BY HOUR, AS MATT WAS EXPLAINING.
UM, LET ME GO BACK TO THE OVERALL.
SO WE HAVE THE ROWS OF THE BASE.
WE HAVE A GATHERING SPACE, THE EATING AND DRINKING.
THERE'S ALSO A, AN ACCESSORY KITCHEN.
SO YOU CAN ORDER YOUR BAR SNACKS AND YOUR FOOD WHILE YOU ENJOY PLAYING THE GAME, OR, UH, JUST COMING TO SOCIALIZE AND, UM, TO GATHER IT IS ALL FULLY ENCLOSED.
UM, ALSO ON THE INTERIOR WITH THE PHOTO, THESE ARE ALL ACOUSTICAL BAFFLES.
THERE ARE ACOUSTICAL BAFFLES IN BETWEEN EACH BAY TO HELP MITIGATE THE INTERNAL SOUND.
UM, ON THE FLOOR PLAN, JUST TO WALK YOU THROUGH A LITTLE BIT, YOU HAVE YOUR ENTRYWAY, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR CHECK-IN, UM, IN THE CENTER HERE IS THE PROPOSED BAR WITH, UM, ACCESSORY SEATING AND GATHERING SPACE.
ONE OF 'EM IS MORE OF A V I P SUITE.
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AND THEN OF COURSE THE REQUIRED BATHROOMS, ALL SINGLE USER.UM, WAS THERE A PARTICULAR QUESTION ABOUT THE FLOOR PLAN OR CORRECT.
UH, YEAH, I THINK, UH, IN TERMS OF THE LOCKERS AND PEOPLE KIND OF, UH, UH, ALL THESE DIFFERENT BASE THAT YOU HAVE.
SO PEOPLE GO, PEOPLE CHECK IN, CHECK IN AT THE FRONT DOOR.
AND, AND THEN THEY GO TO THE LOCKER AND THEN COME BACK AND PLAY AND THEN NO, WHAT THE SEQUENCE WORKS.
SO THERE'S THIS, THIS ISN'T, THIS ISN'T A COUNTRY CLUB FEEL.
SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN BRING YOUR OWN GOLF CLUBS, WHICH, WHICH MOST PEOPLE DO.
UM, BUT IF, IF YOU'RE THERE WITH, WITH A GROUP THAT'S NOT, UH, NOT EXPERIENCED IN, IN GOLF, WE HAVE, WE HAVE CLUBS THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR, UH, WHAT WE'LL CALL INFREQUENT USERS.
THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE FEE FOR THE, FOR THE ROOM RENTAL.
AND THEN WE HAVE CLUBS THAT ARE OF A BETTER QUALITY THAT YOU CAN RENT, UM, SHOULD YOU JUST NOT FEEL LIKE YOU WANNA BRING YOUR OWN CLUBS.
ANYTHING ELSE, KURT AND THE OUTSIDE LIGHTING, HOW DOES THAT GO? THAT WAS MY, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
COULD YOU GO BACK TO GO BACK TO THE OUTSIDE PLAN PLEASE? THE ONE THING, NOW THAT WAS A FURNITURE STORE, SO IT WASN'T OPEN TILL MIDNIGHT.
YOU'RE GONNA BE OPEN TILL MIDNIGHT AND YOU DO HAVE HOUSES RIGHT BEHIND YOU.
SO HOW ARE, HOW ARE YOU DEALING WITH THE LIGHT, WITH THE LIGHTING AND MAKING SURE THAT YOU DON'T DISTURB THE NEIGHBORS BEHIND, BEHIND THE FACILITY? THE, UM, WELL, THE I PERIMETER OF THE PARKING LOT IS, UM, TREES AND BRUSH, SO IT'S NOT DIRECTLY OPEN TO THE, TO THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS.
UM, OUTSIDE LIGHTING, OBVIOUSLY, AND I CAN JUMP IN TOO.
YOU KNOW, WE WILL PROVIDE ENOUGH REQUIRED LIGHTING TO MEET CODE AND FEEL SAFE AND ACCESSIBLE.
UM, AND THEY'LL HAVE THEIR SECURITY CAMERAS, WHATNOT.
BUT THIS IS, THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE NEON BLINKING LIGHTS FLASHING LATE INTO THE I I UNDERSTAND.
BUT ONE OF THE CONCERNS, AND I YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO, YOU CAN DEAL WITH IT, I'M SURE.
BUT IT WILL COME UP AND YOU'LL HEAR IT, I'M SURE IN A PUBLIC HEARING, UM, IS THE LIGHTING ENVELOPE.
WE'RE VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SPILL OVER, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA BEHIND, BEHIND YOU.
SO TO THE POINT THAT YOU USE, YOU KNOW, LIGHTS THAT DON'T SPILL OVER PROPER L E D LIGHTS.
THE OTHER THING IS, IS IS THERE A FENCE BETWEEN YOU AND, AND THE UH, I HAVEN'T GONE BEHIND THERE YET.
THERE'S IS IT THERE'S NOT, THERE'S, THERE'S ACTUALLY, UH, WHEN I WAS THERE LAST OR TWO WEEKS AGO, THEY WERE DOING SOME WORK ON THE SWALE BEHIND, ON THE BACK EDGE OF THE PARKING LOT.
WOULD YOU GUYS, IF, IF, IF WE, WOULD YOU GUYS BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN SOME KIND OF A FENCE WITH, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS LIKE THE TENNIS STUFF ON IT SO THAT THE HEADLIGHTS DON'T SHINE INTO THOSE PEOPLE'S YARDS? 'CAUSE THE TREES WON'T STOP THE HEADLIGHTS? UH, YEAH.
I MEAN THAT'S AN INTERESTING, THAT'S AN INTERESTING POSITION.
WELL THE, I WORK, I, ODDLY ENOUGH, I SAW THE NEXT ITEM ON THE DOCKET IS FOR A MAINTENANCE FACILITY FOR A GOLF COURSE.
AND THAT'S GOLF COURSE CONSTRUCTION IS, IS REALLY MY BACKGROUND.
UM, SO I'VE, I'VE BUILT A, A BUNCH OF MAINTENANCE FACILITIES AND WE USE, YOU KNOW, WALL-MOUNTED LIGHTS THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, EFFECTIVELY STRAIGHT DOWN, RIGHT.
UM, TO, TO PROVIDE THE, THE SITE LIGHTING RIGHT.
UM, TO KEEP, TO KEEP BUILDING SAFETY AND PERSONAL SAFETY AT A, AT A PREMIUM.
IF, IF, IF THERE WAS, IF THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT FOR, FOR SCREENING ALONG THAT BACK EDGE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
AND AGAIN, IT'S, I KNOW YOU CAN DO WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE PARKING LOT LIGHTING, L E D, YOU CAN KEEP THE SPILLOVER TO A MINIMUM FOR SURE.
BUT HEADLIGHTS YOU CAN'T CONTROL.
AND THAT YOU DON'T WANT THOSE SHINING OFF, SHINING IN THE NEIGHBOR'S YARDS.
WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO, UH, KEEPING THAT FROM HAPPENING.
I CAN TELL YOU ACROSS THE STREET WITH 24 HOUR FITNESS, BUT THIS ISSUE CAME UP AT 24 HOUR FITNESS, JUST SO YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE STREET.
'CAUSE THERE WERE HOUSES RIGHT BEHIND 24 HOUR FITNESS AND LIKE, AND LIKE THIS, PEOPLE WERE SO EXCITED
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THAT 24 HOUR FITNESS WAS GONNA BE THERE.THIS IS AN EXCITING PROJECT FOR, FOR OUR TOWN.
IT IS, BUT THERE WAS STILL, IT DIDN'T CONCERN, THERE'S STILL CONCERNS.
UH, BILL, MR. WEINBERG, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UM, THERE WERE STILL CONCERNS WHEN 24 HOUR FITNESS WAS BUILT ABOUT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY AT NIGHT COULD AFTER 10 O'CLOCK, WHAT WE DID THERE, AND MAYBE YOU COULD DO SOMETHING SIMILAR, BUT MAYBE NOT, IS WE ACTUALLY HAD A GATE THAT WENT DOWN AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, SO THEY CAN'T PARK BEHIND THE BUILDING AFTER 10.
THAT WAS HOW WE DEALT WITH IT THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE GIVEN THE, THE CONFIGURATION HERE, THE CONFIGURATION OF THE PARKING LOT IS, IS I WOULD ASSUME WAS APPROVED BASED ON A FIRE, A FIRE LANE SURROUNDING THE BUILDING.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD BE ABLE TO RESTRICT TRAFFIC.
WE, WE DID, WE DID IT ACROSS THE STREET.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE, WE DID IT ACROSS THE STREET BECAUSE THEY COULD GET THROUGH THE, THEY COULD GET THROUGH THE, THE FIRE PEOPLE CAN GET THROUGH THE GATE, BUT WE DID IT ACROSS THE STREET.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT'S WHAT, THAT WAS THE SOLUTION THERE.
I DON'T, I'M NOT SAYING THAT SHOULD BE THE SOLUTION HERE.
THE DIFFERENCE THERE TOO IS THERE ARE A LOT MORE PARKING SPACES IN FRONT OF THAT BUILDING THAN YOU HAVE.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT THE BULK OF THE PARKING ON THAT LOT IS IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
WHICH IS WHY WE WERE ABLE TO DO IT THERE.
BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO, TO MITIGATE ANY ISSUES WITH, WITH CAR LIGHTS, UH, GOING ON TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, THAT'S ALL.
WALTER, YOU DO HAND UP AND I SEE YOU MR. WEINBERG.
UH, BUT LET ME TAKE MR. SIMON AND YOU, UH, IN TERMS OF NOISE, I ASSUME THAT SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE.
IT, UH, THE NOISE LEVEL I ASSUME WILL BE THE SAME AS WHEN YOU GO TO, UH, UH, A PLACE TO MEASURE FOR GOLF CLUBS AND THEY HAVE THE PRACTICE.
IS THAT SIMILAR TYPE OF, UH, NOISE THAT WOULD BE GENERATED? YEAH.
YOU, YOU WON'T HEAR ANYTHING FROM INSIDE OUTSIDE.
I JUST WANNA CONFIRM THAT, THAT, THAT THAT'S NOT ISSUE.
AND THE OTHER ISSUE IS, IS, UH, WHICH THE CHAIRS TALKED ABOUT IS LIGHTING, IS THAT, UM, WE, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL, ALTHOUGH YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO THE EXTERIOR THAT YOU PLAN TO DO, AND THERE'S LIGHTS ALREADY THERE, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT LIGHT MEETS THE CURRENT CODE IN TERMS OF, UH, OF SPREAD THAT, THAT LIGHT BEAM THAT SPREADING ONTO THE OTHER PROPERTY.
MR. WEINBERG, YOU WANTED TO SPEAK? YES, YES.
WE'VE OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR OVER 40 YEARS.
MY FAMILY, IT WAS FORMERLY LAFAYETTE.
I I HAD THE CB RADIO FROM LAFAYETTE, SIR.
I GREW UP IN EDGEMONT SINCE I WAS FIVE YEARS OLD.
SO MY POINT IS, THERE IS A PICKET FENCE THAT SEPARATES WESTMINSTER ROAD, THE RESIDENTIAL TO THE REAR FROM THE PROPERTY.
AND IT'S BEEN THERE IN PERPETUITY.
ON OUR SIDE, IT'S KNOWN AS TROUBLESOME BROOK AND D P W JUST CAME THERE TWO WEEKS AGO TO, TO FLUSH IT OUT AND CLEAR IT OUT AND THEY WOULD NOT ALLOW A FENCE.
SO A FENCE IS NOT AN OPTION ON OUR SIDE, BUT IT IS SCREENED TOTALLY BETWEEN THE BRUSH AND THE PICKET FENCE THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR OVER 50 YEARS FROM HEADLIGHTS AND FROM THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE BEHIND.
THE PICKET FENCE FENCE WOULD BE HELPFUL EVEN IF YOU PUT THE FENCE ALONG JUST THE EDGE OF THE PARK.
RIGHT, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE PARKING SPACES, THEY WOULDN'T ALLOW YOU TO DO IT.
THE PICKET FENCE IS EXISTING ON THE FAR SIDE, ON THEIR ROAD, ON THE RESIDENCE PROPERTY AND THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
BUT I'M SAYING, I'M JUST, I'M JUST ASKING THIS QUESTION, BUT ASKING YOU TO DO IT, WOULD THE D P W UH, OBJECT, IF YOU PUT A FENCE, NOT IN THE BUFFER AREA, BUT AT THE END OF THE PAVEMENT, THEN THEY HAVE NO ACCESS TO CLEAR THE BROOK AND IT WOULD CAUSE FLOODING TO THE RESIDENCE IN THE REAR.
SO THEY WOULD OBJECT UNLESS THERE WAS A, A DOOR.
WHAT WE CAN DO IS, UH, I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK WITH THE COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS, JUST TO SEE WHAT THEIR POSITION IS.
I'M GONNA, I I NEED TO DRIVE THERE AT NIGHT MYSELF AND, AND SEE, SEE WHAT HA HAPPENS, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
THAT'S THE OTHER POINT AS WELL WITH THE PICK FENCE.
I WASN'T AWARE THE, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION MR. WEINBERG BEFORE IF THERE WAS A FENCE, BECAUSE YEAH, THERE'S ALSO DIRECTLY BEHIND A SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AT CUL-DE-SAC.
SO THERE'S HOMES ONLY ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES.
WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH.UH, ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE BOARD HAVE A QUESTION? WALTER, IS YOUR HAND UP AGAIN OR IS THAT FROM BEFORE WALTER? YOUR HAND IS STILL UP.
ANYBODY ELSE? I CAN'T SEE ANYBODY.
ANYBODY ELSE? YEAH, I THINK I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE, ON, ON A SITE PLAN.
THEY, THIS IS AS, THIS IS GOING TO BE A MORE LIKE, UH, UH, RESTAURANT, BUT A LOT OF, UH, LIQUOR AND FOOD WOULD BE SERVED.
PEOPLE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME THERE.
HOW THE GARBAGE DISPOSAL AND UH, OKAY.
UH, THINGS COULD BE, I'M SURE THAT BIG BLOOD, BUT IT DOESN'T SHOW UP ON YOUR SITE PLAN.
MY ASSUMPTION IS THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WILL, WILL INSTRUCT US WHERE TO PUT THE, THE GARBAGE CONTAINER IN THE, IN THE RECYCLE CONTAINER.
WE ACTUALLY T WE ACTUALLY D DEAL WITH THAT GENERALLY IN SITE PLAN.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT SITUATED ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL RIGHT.
NEIGHBORS 'CAUSE OF, FOR PICKUPS BECAUSE THEY PICK UP LIKE AT FIVE IN THE MORNING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO YEAH, WE, WE'D LIKE TO YOU GUYS TO MAKE A PROPOSAL WHERE YOU THINK IT WOULD BE OPTIMAL AND IT'S NOT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT GOING INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THAT REQUIRED TO BE FENCED? WE'LL SPEAK WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ABOUT THAT, GENERALLY SPEAKING, YES.
IS THERE AN EXISTING LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY WET GARBAGE.
SO THERE'S A VERY GOOD POINT BY BY.
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS WITH THE KITCHEN, THE KITCHEN IS ON THE BACK END OF THE PROPERTY.
CLOSER TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
UM, IS IT GONNA BE A GRILL AND ARE THERE GONNA BE ADMISSIONS FROM THAT GRILL? IT'S, NO, IT'S ALL VENTLESS COOKING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
UH, WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, PROPOSE THAT WE PUT THIS ON FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 21ST.
SO LET'S, LET'S GET THIS KE KEEP THIS GOING.
I, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT.
I I, I REALLY AM LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY, BUT THESE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS I THINK WE NEED ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR MAGNET, SOMETHING THAT'S A MAGNET TO CENTRAL AVENUE AND I THINK THIS COULD BE ONE OF THOSE MAGNETS, WHICH I THINK IS TERRIFIC.
SO WE'LL GET YOU THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE AND THE INSTRUCTIONS TOMORROW.
WE'LL SEE YOU GUYS ON THE 21ST.
RIGHT, WE'LL BE FIVE MINUTES LATE, JANET, SO YOU CAN BLAME WALTER FOR THE FIVE MINUTES.
UM, THE FINAL PROJECT OF THE NIGHT IS CASE, UH, TOWN BOARD 2204 AND PLANNING BOARD 2209 METROPOLIS COUNTRY CLUB, TWO 90 DUBS FERRY ROAD.
IT'S FOR AN AMENDED SITE PLAN REFERRAL FROM THE TOWN BOARD AND A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, WHICH I GUESS IS THE TOWN BOARD, IT'S NOT OURS.
AND, UH, PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, WHICH IS OURS.
UM, MS. GI, I JUST WANNA ASK YOU A QUESTION.
YOU'VE BEEN IN THE FOREST A LOT LATELY.
THIS, THIS, I'M KIND OF SURPRISED THIS CAME SEPARATELY GIVEN THAT WE KNEW WHEN METROPOLIS WAS BEING BUILT THAT YOU WERE GONNA END UP MOVING, MOVING THIS STUFF.
AND I WONDER IS THERE ANYTHING BEYOND THIS THAT WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THAT YOU GUYS ARE PLANNING? 'CAUSE I'D RATHER SEE THE BOARD I THINK WOULD RATHER SEE AS WELL THE MASTER PLAN.
SO I KNOW WHERE EVERYTHING IS GONNA GO.
WE KNOW WHERE EVERYTHING'S GONNA GO ON THE GOLF COURSE.
SO IS THERE ANY OTHER PROJECT, YOU KNOW, WE CAME, YOU CAME IN FOR THE POOL AND THE, AND THE PLAYGROUND AND NOW THIS.
SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT BEFORE WE MOVE ON? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
JANET GARRIS WITH DELBELLO DANELLE AND WEINGARTEN WISE AND WHITAKER HERE THIS EVENING ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
UM, I THINK THAT Y YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING IS SEPARATE AND APART FROM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE POOL PROJECT.
UM, YOU KNOW, METROPOLIS IS A, YOU KNOW, LONG ESTABLISHED GOLF CLUB, COUNTRY CLUB IN THIS AREA.
UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A COUNTRY CLUB THAT CONTINUES TO METICULOUSLY MAINTAIN ITS FACILITIES TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THE BEST EXPERIENCE AND TO KEEP THE PROPERTY, UM, YOU KNOW, PROPERLY MAINTAINED.
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THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BEFORE YOU, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE DID THE POOL REPLACEMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS REALLY THE REPLACEMENT OF A POOL IN KIND, UH, SOMETHING THAT HAD REACHED FUNCTIONAL OBSOLESCENCE AFTER MANY, MANY YEARS OF BEING THERE AND NEEDED TO BE REPLACED.UM, THE REPLACEMENT OF THAT POOL DIDN'T REQUIRE SITE PLAN APPROVAL 'CAUSE IT WAS GOING IN THE SAME PLACE AS THE ORIGINAL POOL WAS.
BUT IN CONNECTION WITH THAT, THERE WAS SOME GRADING THAT WE HAD TO COME TO, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, A SLOPES PERMIT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE PROPERTY ARE ALONG THE LINES OF MAINTENANCE, UM, TO THE FACILITIES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.
I DON'T THINK THAT THERE ARE ANY PLANS TO, TO EXPAND ON THE EXISTING FACILITIES OF THE CLUB.
UM, AND SO THE APPLICATION THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS AS A RESULT OF THE, UH, TRANSACTION WITH BRIGHTVIEW SENIOR LIVING.
SO THAT THIS APPLICATION IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN CONTEMPLATED PROBABLY FOR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LAST FIVE YEARS OR SO.
UM, BECAUSE THEY KNEW THAT, YOU KNOW, IN CONNECTION WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF BRIGHTVIEW THAT THIS FACILITY WOULD NEED TO BE RELOCATED, UM, DURING THE APPROVAL PROCESS WITH BRIGHTVIEW.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS DONE BY OTHERS ON BEHALF OF BRIGHTVIEW.
SO I WASN'T, UH, YOU KNOW, AS, AS CLOSELY INVOLVED WITH THAT AS I, AS I HAVE BEEN WITH OTHER THINGS FROM METROPOLIS.
THE, UH, THE RELOCATION OF THIS, UH, MAINTENANCE FACILITY THAT'S BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED, UH, AT LENGTH.
UH, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF MEETINGS, UH, ABOUT IT WITH NOT ONLY THE TOWN BOARD, I THINK, UH, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP BEFORE THIS BOARD, UH, AND AS, UH, WITH, UH, WITH MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
SO THIS IS NOT, AND IT SHOULDN'T BE A SURPRISE TO ANYBODY, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED ALONG THOSE LIVES THAT, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT MY POINT.
BUT THE POINT, AND I, AND I, I APOLOGIZE, I FORGOT THAT IT'S DIFFERENT COUNCIL NOW THAN, THAN THAN METROPOLIS WAS.
UH, 'CAUSE IT THAN THE, I'M SORRY, THE ASSISTED, ASSISTED LIVING PROJECT WAS, BUT THEY WERE RELATED PROJECTS.
IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE HAD SEEN EVERYTHING IF POSSIBLE ISN'T ALWAYS POSSIBLE.
IN FACT, YOU, YOUR FIRM HAS DONE IT VERY EFFECTIVELY WITH US, SHOWED US A MASTER PLAN PLANNED.
YOU, YOU'VE DONE IT, UH, YOUR PARTNERS HAVE DONE IT WITH US.
YOU DID IT WITH HACKLEY, FOR EXAMPLE.
OKAY, WELL WE KNEW WE, WE KNEW WHAT WAS COMING AND SAW A MASTER PLAN.
SO ALL I'M SAYING IS IF THERE IS ANYTHING ELSE ON, ON THE HORIZON THAT YOU GUYS ARE CONSIDERING, IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE IT IN THE CONTEXT OF WHERE THIS, THIS FACILITY IS GOING.
FRANKLY, IN RETROSPECT, WE SHOULD HAVE ASKED
'CAUSE AT THE TIME, YEAH, WE KNEW THE FACILITY WAS MOVING.
THAT WAS NO SECRET ABOUT THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE, WHERE THE BRIGHTVIEW IS GOING IS RIGHT WHERE THAT FACILITY WAS.
SO THAT'S ALL, THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING THAT QUE QUESTION IS IF THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU'RE DOING LIKE THIS, I WOULD LOVE TO GET, GET THE MASTER PLAN AND DO WHAT WE'VE DONE SUCCESSFULLY WITH BOTH HACKLEY AND REGENERON.
WELL AND RESPECTFULLY, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVE DONE THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH OTHERS, AND I THINK THAT THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT KIND OF USE.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY ONE OF OPEN SPACE AND, AND RECREATION AND I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S PLANNED DEVELOPMENT BEYOND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, YOU KNOW, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR EXISTING FACILITIES, WHETHER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, REPAIR OR, YOU KNOW, REPLACEMENT IN KIND OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY EXPANSION OF DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED ON THIS PROPERTY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THIS MAINTENANCE FACILITY, UM, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THE POOL, UM, THIS WASN'T READY TO COME TO THE BOARD.
UM, THE LOCATION OF IT WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE TOWN BOARD, UH, UH, I THINK AT LENGTH AND WITH THE COMMUNITY AT THE TIME THAT BRIGHTVIEW WAS BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE APPLICANT AND UM, AND YOU KNOW, ZACH PEARSON FROM INSIDE IS HERE, UM, OUR ENGINEER HAS TRIED TO DO HERE IS TO TRY TO RELOCATE THIS FACILITY FROM ITS EXISTING LOCATION, UM, TO A, A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WHERE IT WILL HAVE THE LEAST IMPACT, UM, TO, AND THE NEIGHBORS, TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO THE NEIGHBORS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT TOOK A BIT OF PLANNING.
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KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO SAY WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN MOVE ON.I JUST WANTED TO SAY, SAY YOU HAVE TO, YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION.
YOU, THERE ISN'T ANYTHING ELSE MAJOR, AT LEAST THAT YOU KNOW OF AT THIS POINT THAT WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE CONSIDERING THAT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION CORRECTION, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO.
EXPANSION OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE AND, YOU KNOW, REPAIR REPLACEMENT OF THINGS THAT ON THE PROPERTY TODAY.
SO, BUT THERE IS NO MASTER PLAN PREPARED.
SO IN ANY EVENT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT ME TO GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING, I CAN, YOU KNOW, JUST TELL YOU THAT AND TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS PROPERTY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU LET ME KNOW HOW MUCH DETAIL YOU'D LIKE US TO GET INTO.
WELL, I, I THINK YOU SHOULD TALK ABOUT WHAT, WHERE YOU'RE PUT, I THINK UNLESS ANYBODY ON THE BOARD HAS AN OBJECTION, I THINK WE'VE SEEN THIS PROPERTY SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
I THINK THE MORE IMPORTANT THING IS, IS THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WHERE YOU'RE PLACING IT, WHY YOU'RE PLACING IT THERE AND WHAT THE IMPACT OF THAT THAT IS.
SO, UM, ZACH WILL SHARE HIS SCREEN AND HE'LL TAKE OVER THE, THE PRESENTATION OF THE SITE PLAN ITSELF.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS MAINTENANCE FACILITY IS BEING LOCATED FROM ITS EXISTING, UM, LOCATION TO AN APPROXIMATELY FIVE ACRE LOCATION BETWEEN THE 12TH, 13TH, AND 14TH FAIRWAYS.
AND AGAIN, IT'S BEEN CAREFULLY, THE SITE HAS BEEN CAREFULLY CHOSEN AND THE BUILDING CAREFULLY CITED TO U UTILIZE TOPOGRAPHY TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS.
SO, UH, THERE ARE TWO ASPECTS TO THIS, UH, APPLICATION THAT'S BEFORE YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AS YOU MENTIONED, THE, UM, APPLICATION FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL IS A TOWN BOARD.
UM, THEY'RE THE APPROVING AUTHORITY FOR THE SITE PLAN.
IT'S BEEN REFERRED TO YOU FOR YOUR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION.
AND THEN THE APPLICATION THAT'S WITHIN THIS BOARD'S JURISDICTION IS THE STEEP SLOPES PERMIT.
UH, SO ZACH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE AND, AND SHOW, UH, THE SCREEN AND, UM, THEN WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU, YOU MIGHT HAVE.
SO LEMME JUST SHARE MY SCREEN.
CAN EVERYBODY SEE MY SCREEN? YEP.
UH, ZACH PEARSON INSIDE ENGINEERING.
SO JUST TO KIND OF PICK UP WHERE JAY LEFT OFF, UM, THIS IS AN JUST BLOW IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
SO THIS IS AN, THIS IS AN OVERALL PLAN.
UH, FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T AWARE.
THE EXISTING MAINTENANCE FACILITY IS IN THE, THE NORTHWEST CORNER.
UM, THIS IS THE FIVE ACRE PARCEL APPROXIMATELY WHERE BRIGHTVIEW, UM, IS PROPOSED TO GO.
UM, THE PROPOSED MAINTENANCE FACILITY IS LOCATED IN THE EASTERN PORTION HERE.
AS JANA MENTIONED, THE, IT'S BETWEEN THE 12TH, 13TH, AND 14TH HOLE.
UH, THIS IS FAIR STREET ALONG THE EASTERN BOUNDARY AND JUNIPER HILL ROAD ALONG THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY.
SO IF I GO TO THAT SHEET, THIS IS A BLOW PEW.
UM, SO YEAH, AS YOU, AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, AND, AND JIM DID MENTION THIS BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DID CAREFULLY STUDY THIS.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE HAD A COUPLE ITERATIONS OF THE BEST VERSION OF, OF, OF PLACEMENT AND, AND, AND PLACEMENT OF FACILITY.
AND WITH THAT WA WAS GRADING AS WELL.
UM, VERY COGNIZANT OF, YOU KNOW, THE VIEW SHEDS FROM FAIR STREET RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, PROPERTIES TO THE EAST.
UM, AND WHAT WE TRIED TO DO WAS TO, UM, PUT THIS, PUT THIS, UM, FACILITY AS LOW AS WE POSSIBLY COULD, UM, TO SHIELD THE VIEWS FROM THE EAST AND FROM THE SOUTH.
UM, AND ALSO DELICATELY TRYING TO BALANCE THE ONSITE OR EARTH WORK AS TO NOT, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO HAVE A MASSIVE EXPORT OF MATERIAL OFF OF THE PROPERTY DURING CONSTRUCTION.
SO, UM, WE ALSO DID COME UP WITH A, YOU KNOW, A BERM, AN EARTH AND BERM HERE.
AND I CAN SHOW YOU THIS ON THE GRADING PLAN AS WELL.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT CLEARER TO SEE THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS LINE HERE IS GENERALLY A BERM THAT, THAT IS HIGHER THAN THE TOP OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING.
UM, SO AGAIN, THIS IS A NEW MAIN FACILITY FOR THE CLUB.
UH, STORAGE FOR THE MAIN'S EQUIPMENT ALSO INCLUDES, UH, THIS BUILDING HERE IS A SPRAYER STORAGE BUILDING, UM, WITH ENVIRONMENTAL FACILITY.
THAT'S A GENERALLY A, A WASH AREA FOR THE, UM, MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT.
THERE'S A RECITE, UH, RECIRCULATING, UH, WATER SOURCE THERE.
UH, MOST, MOST CLUBS IN THE AREA ARE UPDATING TO THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS TYPE OF ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY, UH, FACILITY.
UH, WE'VE GOT SOME STORAGE BINS AND SAND SILO HERE.
UH, 21 PARKING SPACES, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE STAFF, AGAIN, ACCESS OFF OF JUNIPER HILL ROAD, UM, IN THIS LOCATION.
SO IF I JUST QUICKLY GO TO THE GRADING PLAN, I CAN KIND OF SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
UM, EXISTING ADDITIONS AND REMOVALS THERE, THERE ARE 25 REGULATED TREES IN THIS AREA.
THERE IS A GROVE OF TREES IN THIS AREA
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THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED.UM, THE TREES ALONG FAIR STREET ARE ALL PROPOSED TO REMAIN.
SO THERE IS A BORDER OF TREES CURRENTLY THAT RUN ALONG THE 13TH POLE BETWEEN FAIR STREET AND THE FACILITY.
AND THEN WHAT YOU CAN SEE HERE IS WE, THE ACCESS ROAD GRADES DOWN OFF OF FAIR STREET TO THIS LOWER PLATFORM.
UH, THIS AREA HERE ALONG THE SOUTH AND THE EAST IS A, IS AN EARTH AND BERM.
UM, AGAIN, IT GETS ABOVE THE TOP OF THE, THE TOP OF THE STRUCTURE IN ITS FINAL FORM.
UH, PROPOSED STORMWATER TREATMENT IN ACCORDANCE WITH TOWN AND STATE REGULATIONS.
UH, WE'VE GOT A CISTERN FOR ONSITE REUSE TO SUPPORT THE ONSITE IRRIGATION SYSTEM THAT THE CLUB USES.
WE HAVE AN INFILTRATION SYSTEM AND WE DO HAVE A STORMWATER BASIN HERE THAT'S KIND OF GRADED INTO THE EXISTING CONTOURS.
UH, IN FRONT OF THE 13 T UH, WATER AND SEWER CONNECTIONS ARE PROPOSED TO THE EXISTING, EXISTING TOWN FACILITIES IN JUNIPER HILL ROAD.
UM, I THINK THAT KIND OF HITS ALL THE HIGH POINTS.
YOU, YOU DON'T HAPPEN TO HAVE A, A COMPUTERIZED VIEW OR MAYBE YOU COULD FOR THE PUBLIC OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM JUNIPER HILL ROAD OR FAIR STREET.
DO YOU? SO WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A SECTION, UM, WE CUT SECTIONS FROM JUNIPER HILL ROAD, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE SITE.
AND THEN WE, WE HAVE ONE, YOU KNOW, THE B TWO SECTION KIND OF RUNS.
EAST WEST DOESN'T MAKE IT ALL THE WAY TO FAIR STREET, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT SECTION A, UM, YOU GUYS CAN SEE THAT.
SO THIS IS JUNIPER, JUNIPER HILL ROAD HERE AGAIN, WE HAVE A BURN BETWEEN US AND THEN OH, SO THERE BE NO SITE LINE WHATSOEVER, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, FROM B, THE B SECTION AS YOU CAN SEE IS TAKEN.
COTTON DOESN'T MAKE IT ALL THE WAY OUT TO FAIR STREET, BUT YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE DID IS WE HAD, WE GOT THE EARTH AND BERM ABOVE THE TOP OF THE BUILDING.
AND I WOULD SUSPECT THAT ALSO KEEP THE NOISE DOWN, RIGHT? THOSE BIG BERMS. YEAH.
EARTH IS ONE OF THE BEST WAYS TO MITIGATE NOISE.
ARE THEY GONNA BE DRESSED UP, YOU KNOW, WITH LIKE DECORATIVE GRASSES ON THE BERMS OR ARE THEY JUST GONNA BE KINDA LIKE SEED OR SOD OR, YEAH, IN, IN TALKING WITH THE GOLF COURSE, SUPER, HE'S, HE IS ON THIS CALL AS WELL, BUT, UH, YEAH, THEIR, THEIR, THEIR PLAN IS TO DO THE HIGH FESCUE, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO WHAT, WHAT WAS DONE OVER AT THE, UM, THE PUMP HOUSE.
AND WE, WHEN WE, WE TOOK THOSE MOUNDS OUT AND THEY, THEY HAVE THE HIGH FESCUE AREAS THERE, SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SLOPE, THE SLOPE IN THAT AREA, I FORGET IF IT'S, I BELIEVE IT'S A TWO ON ONE, DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT.
IT'S A STEEP ENOUGH SLOPE THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT EASILY MAINTAINED WITH A MOWER.
SO ANYTHING THAT CAN GROW NATURAL AND STAY NATURAL AND NOT GET TOO HIGH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF THE LOOK THAT THEY, THEY'VE GOT ACROSS THE COURSE.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I THOUGHT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM, UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I CAN'T SEE EVERYBODY, BUT LEMME SEE.
WHAT'S THE LANDSCAPING PLANT? CAN YOU SHOW US, UH, SINCE YOU ARE REMOVING SO MANY TREES? YEAH, SO THE LANDSCAPING WE'RE REALLY PLANTING, UH, IT WAS, IT WAS THE COLORED PLANT I SENT YOU BEFORE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT PLANTING HERE BETWEEN JUNIPER HILL ROAD AND THE FACILITY ON THE LOWER PART OF THIS BERM.
YOU KNOW, THIS BERM DOES GET KIND OF, KIND OF HIGH ALONG THE EASTERN EDGE.
IT REALLY KIND OF, IT COMES NOT, NOT TO A NICE EDGE, BUT IT'S NARROW ENOUGH AT THE TOP THAT IT'S GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT TO PLANT ANYTHING A SUBSTANCE UP THERE.
SO WE THOUGHT THE EARTH WITH THE FESCUE WOULD BE A BETTER WAY TO SCREEN THAT THAN TRY TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY PLANT THAT.
SO WE DID, YOU KNOW, WE DID WORK WITH THE CLUB, YOU KNOW, THESE TREES AND THESE EXISTING TREES IN, IN THIS PORTION WERE, WERE, YOU KNOW, CRITICAL TO MAINTAIN.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME LARGER TREES BACK UP IN HERE THAT WE ARE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE WORKED AROUND SO LARGER TREES AND, AND THERE IS A LARGE, I BELIEVE THERE'S A 60 INCH ELEMENT IN HERE THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE TOUCHING.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO WHERE WE WORK TO KEEP THAT.
WE GOT SOME INITIAL COMMENTS, UH, FROM
SO THERE IS A LARGE TREE HERE THAT'S RIGHT.
THEY'VE BEEN COOPERATIVE WITH TOWN STAFF THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS AND, AND DID MEET THE TOWN NEW TREE CODE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I HAD RELATED TO, UM, COMMENT FROM STAFF INITIALLY ABOUT POTENTIAL PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS.
THERE'S A SCHOOL NEARBY AND THERE ARE, UM, SCHOOL CHILDREN THAT MAY USE, UM, YOU KNOW, NEARBY PATHS OR THIS JUNIPER HILL EXTENSION TO GET TO THE SITE AND, UM, JUST WANTED THAT
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TO BE TAKEN UNDER CONSIDERATION BY THE, UH, PROJECT TEAM.YEAH, WE'LL CERTAINLY, WE'LL CERTAINLY TAKE THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION.
I KNOW THAT, UH, IT'S IN, IT'S NOT WELL MAINTAINED THERE NOW, AND AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION AND PART OF THIS PROJECT, UH, THAT WHOLE AREA WILL BE CLEANED UP AND MAINTAINED.
IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY SIDEWALK? OH, WATER IS BROWN.
I SEE A, WALTER, DO YOU HOLD ON FOR A SEC.
CAR WAS ASKING ABOUT A SIDEWALK, JANET.
UH, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A SIDEWALK THERE.
UH, THERE ARE NO IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY PROPOSED AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE A SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE.
WELL, THAT'S NOT, AND WALTER, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, WELL, I HAVE TO DIFFER.
IT WOULD BE SIDEWALKS TO NOWHERE BECAUSE THAT ROAD IS USED AS A SHORTCUT FOR THE KIDS FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL THAT COME DOWN THAT ROAD.
AND THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE TOWN PUT IN SIDEWALKS COMING UP JUNIPER HILL BECAUSE THE KIDS USE THAT.
SO, SO, UH, THAT IS A ROAD THAT IS USED AND SO THE CURRENT PLAN HAS NO PROVISIONS FOR, UH, IMPROVING THAT ROAD, IF THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
IMPROVING THE ROAD, YES, BUT NOT THE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
COULD YOU CLARIFY THAT? I'M TALKING IN TERMS SO OF THE SAFETY OF THE KIDS WALKING DOWN THAT ROAD AND WHETHER YOU WILL THERE BE ANY CHANGE IMPROVEMENT IN THAT ROAD? SO AGAIN, THERE ARE NO IMPROVEMENTS PROPOSED TO THAT RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE ROAD THAT'S THERE IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO EXIST.
IT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, THE AREA WILL BE CLEANED UP, UM, BUT THERE ARE NO IMPROVEMENTS PROPOSED TO THE ROADWAY.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER BECAUSE WE CONSIDER, WE ASK THE APPLICANTS WHEN THEY, WE BUILD IN, UH, WEATHERS ON CENTRAL AVENUE, ANY OTHER ROAD, UH, WE ALWAYS ASK FOR THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE, OF THE ROAD BY ADDING SIDEWALKS OR EVEN, EVEN IF IT'S A ASPHALT ROADWAY FOR THE SAFETY OF THOSE CHILDREN.
THAT'S, UH, BECAUSE THEY DO USE THAT ROAD, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S THE SHORTCUT TO, UH, TO THE HIGH SCHOOL.
IF YOU LIVE ON THAT, UH, WHAT WOULD THAT BE? THE WESTERN SIDE OF, UH, OF THE SCHOOL.
SO I JUST WISH YOU CONSIDER THAT.
I WILL, I WILL SHARE THAT WITH OUR CLIENT.
JOHAN, I KIND OF WANNA SECOND WALTER'S POINT ABOUT MAKING THAT ROAD.
IT'S BEEN MISTAKENLY REFERRED TO AS, UH, A PAPER ROAD IN THE PAST.
I'M GLAD IT WAS UPDATED TO REFLECT THE ACTUAL NAME JUNIPER HILL ROAD, BUT, UM, THE SIDEWALK, UM, SHOULD ABSOLUTELY BE CONSIDERED.
RIGHT NOW THE TOWN IS DESIGNING A SIDEWALK UP JUNIPER HILL ROAD FROM FAIR STREET ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH MIDWAY.
SO THE ADDITION TO THE, A PAVED STREET, UH, THAT WOULD FINISH PEARL HILL ROAD AS WELL AS THE SIDEWALK WILL, UH, ADD TO THE AESTHETIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE TOWN IS DOING AS WELL.
AND TO WALTER'S POINT, THERE IS SOME USAGE OF THAT ROAD BY, UH, HIGH SCHOOLERS GOING TO SCHOOL AND BEYOND THAT, IF IT IS PAVED, IT CREATES, UH, A NICE WALKING SPACE FOR THE RESIDENTS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL.
AND, UM, JOHAN, WHERE DID YOU SAY, SAY THE TOWN IS ALREADY PAVING IT FROM, YOU SAID FROM FAIR STREET? YEAH, SO RIGHT NOW THERE WAS A SIDEWALK THAT WAS ADDED TO FAIR STREET.
I THINK IT'S FROM PROSPECT STREET ALL THE WAY UP TO JUNIPER HILL ROAD.
AND RIGHT NOW THEY'RE DESIGNING THE PLANS FOR A SIDEWALK FROM THE CORNER OF JUNIPER HILL ROAD THROUGH MIDWAY.
THEY'RE GOING, GOING THE OTHER, SO GOING THE OTHER WAY, GOING AWAY FROM THE OTHER DIRECTION.
SO GOING, GOING CORRECT, GOING AWAY.
AND THAT'S SUPPOSED BE GOING OUT TO BID NEXT YEAR FOR, FOR FOR CONSTRUCTION.
SO BY THE END OF 2023, THAT SHOULD BE COMPLETE.
SO, SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT GOING TO BE A SIDEWALK AND NOWHERE GOING FORWARD IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
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NOPE.EVERYBODY GOOD? EVERYBODY'S TIRED.
I THINK I, I'M GONNA TOAST WALTER AND HIS WIFE TONIGHT.
I'M TOASTING, I'M TOASTING WITH A RIGHT NOW.
WELL, UH, I, I, I JUST GOT A, A, A NOTE FROM MY WIFE SAYING THAT HUGH WILL BE THE CO UNDER, UH, THE CO-CONSPIRATOR IN MY DIVORCE
I'M ALL, I'M ALWAYS IN TROUBLE WITH WALTER'S WIFE.
JUST GONNA SAY FROM, UH, JUST TO BRING EVERYTHING KIND OF TOWARDS THE CLOSE FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT, OBVIOUSLY THE TOWN BOARD HAS REFERRED THE APPLICATION TO THE PLANNING BOARD, THE AMENDED SITE PLAN, AND WOULD BE SEEKING, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION.
I KNOW THE APPLICANT'S EAGER TO OBTAIN A RECOMMENDATION.
IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S STAFF THAT YOU WANT STAFF TO PUT TOGETHER FOR CONSIDERATION AT THE NEXT MEETING, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE, THE TOWN BOARD DECLARED ITS INTENT TO SERVE AS LEAD AGENCY.
AND IF THE PLANNING BOARD DOESN'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION, YOU MAY WANNA VOTE ON THAT
UM, I I, SHOULD WE CONSIDER, UH, MAKING A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION AND WITH THE PROVISO SAYING THAT THEY SHOULD, THAT THE TOWN BOARD SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING THE COUNTRY CLUB TO BUILD THAT SIDEWALK ON JUNIPER HILL ROAD? YEAH.
IS THAT I COULD LIVE, I CAN LIVE WITH THAT.
CAN YOU LIVE WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO THAT EFFECT EVERYBODY? YEAH, THE PROJECT IS A GOOD PROJECT.
UH, JUST CONCERNS ME THAT IT DOES NOT, DOES NOT REQUIRE A SIDEWALK BECAUSE ON SIMILAR PROJECTS WE, WE REQUIRED APPLICANT TO PUT IN SIDE, WE'VE DONE IT WITH NURSE, WE'VE DONE IT WITH EVERYBODY, WE'VE DONE IT WITH NURSERIES, WE'VE DONE IT WITH, UH, WITH ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE THAT WE, WE, WE TRY TO DO, I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN, THE, THE TOWN'S DONE A GOOD JOB OF GETTING GRANTS WHERE THEY CAN FOR THE SIDEWALKS, BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH.
AND, AND WE HAVE HAD, UH, SEVERAL PEOPLE, UH, PUT IN, PUT AT LEAST SOME SIDEWALK OKAY.
SO IF THAT'S THE RECORD, CAN I HAVE A MOTION THAT, UH, TO HAVE ELLEN DO THAT? DO WE NEED A MOTION TO DO THAT? UM, YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD DO A MOTION.
MAY YOU, BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY GO TO VOGUES, I WANNA MENTION THAT THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF ENGAGING THE JUNIPER HILL COMMUNITY, UH, PRE PANDEMIC, UM, AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION OF, UH, THIS CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
AND THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION AS WELL.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE A SURPRISE THAT IT'S COMING UP AT THIS POINT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT ROLE TO BE PAID.
WE, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IN THE RECOMMENDATION TOO BECAUSE THEY, I THINK THEY'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB IN TERMS OF REALLY BEING, TRYING TO BE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS AND, AND THAT'S VERY, VERY MUCH APPRECIATED IN THIS DAY AND AGE.
AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE TRIED TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS ALL ALONG, I THINK, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN REFLECT IN THE RECOMMENDATION, AARON.
UM, DO WE WANT TO TAKE AN OFFICIAL VOTE TONIGHT ON, ON MAKING A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION WITH THOSE ADDED, UH, COMMENTS? I, I'D ENTERTAIN THAT MOTION JUST SO WE HAVE IT ON THE RECORD.
YOU CAN DO THAT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT STAFF CAN WRITE IT UP, CIRCULATE FOR FINAL REVIEW AND, AND WE'LL APPROVE IT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO.
DO COULD I HAVE THAT MOTION THEN? WALTER? DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SPEAK AT WHAT, LESLIE, THANK YOU FOR THE SECOND.
EVERYBODY ALL OPPOSED? NOBODY.
OKAY, CARRIES, WHAT DO WE HAVE? DO WE HAVE TO DO A, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ON A STEEP SLOPE THAT WOULD COME AFTER THE TOWN BOARD AND SEEKER.
SO THERE'S NOTHING, WE HAVE NOTHING AT THIS TIME EXCEPT, UH, WHETHER YOU DON'T OBJECT TO LEAD AGENCY FOR THE TOWN BOARD.
SO THIS ISN'T COMING UP ON, ON THE TOWN BOARDS MEETING ON THE 14TH ANYWAY.
IS IT? I DOUBT IT'S ON THEIR AGENDA FOR THE 14TH.
NO, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA SET THE PUBLIC HEARING PERHAPS.
UM, THEY STILL HAVE TO DO SEEKER, SO IT MAY NOT BE A MONTH OR SO UNTIL IT COMES OUT.
WE'LL, WE'LL GET THE RECOMMENDATION IN BEFORE, SO IT WON'T SLOW ANYTHING DOWN.
WE'LL GET THE RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
THAT SOUNDS, THAT SOUNDS GREAT.
AND THEN ONCE WE, UH, GET FURTHER ALONG WITH THE TOWN BOARD, THEN WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU IN CONNECTION WITH THE SEAT SLOPE PERMIT.
OKAY GUYS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HAPPY HOW YOU SPENT THIS, THIS, THIS MANY YEARS WITH HIM.
HOW MANY YEARS IS IT, WALTER? YEAH.
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WOW.YOU GOT MARRIED WHEN YOU WERE 10, HUH? NO, I GOT MARRIED RIGHT OUT OF COLLEGE AND SYLVIA WAS A STUDENT AND, UM, I GOT FIRM, UH, UH, HER PARENTS SAID I BETTER SEE SYLVIA THROUGH COLLEGE THAN SHE FINISHED COLLEGE.
IN FACT, SHE GOT TWO MASTER'S DEGREES.
SHE ACTUALLY IS MORE EDUCATED THAN I AM, BUT
HEY AARON, DID YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? I DID.
I, I DO WANT OFFICIAL, AN OFFICIAL VOTE FROM THE PLANNING BOARD TO ISSUE, NO OBJECTION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
CAN I HAVE, CAN I HAVE ENOUGH A MOTION TO UH, AGREE TO THE TOWN BEING LEAD AGENCY ON THIS PROJECT? PLEASE? SO MOVED.
OKAY, WELL I'VE GOT TWO, UH, JOHANN AND KURT SECONDED IT.
YOU'VE GOT AN OFFICIAL, YOU HAVE YOUR OFFICIAL THANK YOU.
A MOTION FOR EVERYBODY TO GO, GO TO SLEEP NOW, EXCEPT FOR WALTER WHO HAS TO GO DRINK A GOOD BOTTLE OF WINE.
HAVE A GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.