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[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD GREENBURGH TOWN HALL AGENDA WEDNESDAY, September 21, 2022 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
YES, WE'RE SET.UM, LADIES
UM, IT'S BEEN A TOUGH ROAD TO GET HERE, SO, UM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BEAR WITH US A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT THOUGH, BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE DONE A HYBRID MEETING.
OKAY? SO, UH, IT'S GONNA MAYBE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AND A LITTLE CHOPPY TONIGHT.
THE OTHER THING I CAN TELL YOU IS WE WILL HAVE A COUPLE OF PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, UH, JOINING US BY ZOOM.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF, UM, VAGARIES IN THE LAW, UNTIL THAT'S CLEANED UP, I WILL NOT HAVE THEM BE PART OF THE OFFICIAL VOTE TONIGHT.
WHAT WE WILL DO INSTEAD IS TAKE A STRAW VOTE FIRST WITH THEM SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT THEIR OPINIONS ARE, AND THEN TAKE AN OFFICIAL VOTE AMONG THE QUORUM THAT WE HAVE HAVE HERE.
I'M HOPING THAT THE LAW WILL BE BY THE NEXT TIME WE MEET, WILL BE RECTIFIED, SO THAT, UH, AT LEAST FOR A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE MEETINGS, PEOPLE CAN PARTICIPATE BY ZOOM, UH, WHILE MAINTAINING AT LEAST A QUORUM PHYSICALLY, UH, HERE.
OKAY? THAT'S WHAT THE GOAL IS.
THE LAW JUST NEEDS, THE LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE TWEAKED IN THE LAW TO ENSURE THAT, THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT.
COULD YOU CALL THE RULES AARON, PLEASE? SURE.
NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT AS OF NOW, MR. SIMON, MS. FREYTAG, MR. DESAI AND MR. SNAGS ARE NOT PRESENT, ALTHOUGH WE ANTICIPATE MR. SIMON AND MS. FREYTAG JOINING US ON ZOOM SHORTLY, AND MR. SIMON SAID HE'D BE HERE ABOUT 7 45 AND LESLIE CAN VOTE, RIGHT? OH, AND YES, LESLIE AS AN ALTERNATE CAN IS GONNA BE A VOTING MEMBER OF THE BOARD THIS EVENING.
UM, HAS EV EVERYBODY REVIEWED THE MINUTES? YEP.
ANY CHANGES, COMMENTS? I HAD NO COMMENTS.
ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 7TH, SAY AYE.
CAN I HAVE MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? I'M NOT USED TO BEING HERE ANYMORE.
THERE'S NOTHING IN CORRESPONDENCE THAT ISN'T, UH, RELATED DIRECTLY TO A PROJECT, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THE FIRST PROJECT ON OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT IS PEOPLE, UH, EXCUSE ME, SORRY.
I DID HAVE ONE ITEM OF CORRESPONDENCE IF I COULD BRING IT UP.
UM, SO THIS IS A MINOR WETLANDS PROJECT AT SEVEN ROCK HILL LANE.
I'M GONNA SHARE MY SCREEN REAL QUICK AND WELCOME MONA.
UM, SO WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON DOING IS A PERMEABLE STONE PATIO, AND IN ADDITION TO THEIR DECK, IT IS WITHIN ABOUT 25 FEET OF AN EXISTING WATERCOURSE THAT ENTERS INTO A CULVERT.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN BEFORE THE C A C AND HAS RECEIVED A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FROM THEM, AND I AM ASKING YOU TO TURN OVER JURISDICTION ON THE PROJECT TO MEET THE TOWNLAND INSPECTOR.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY ON THE BOARD? NO, I THOUGHT IT WAS, UH, NOT AN ISSUE FOR AT ALL.
MONA, I KNOW YOU'RE ON, ON ZOOM.
DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS AT ALL? NO, NOT AT ALL.
MONA, CAN I HAVE A MOTION THEN TO, UH, MOVE THIS OVER TO THE WETLANDS INSPECTOR FOR FINAL APPROVAL? SO MOVED.
UH, FIRST UH, PIECE OF OLD BUSINESS IS CASE PB 2024, WHICH IS BLOOME AT 1 51 FULTON STREET, UH, FOR, UH, AMENDED SITE PLAN.
UM, WE, THIS HAS BEEN BEFORE US NUMEROUS TIMES.
WE HAVE, UH, GONE THROUGH THE, UM, THROUGH THE PLANS AND I THINK THE ONLY THING WE'RE REALLY WAITING FOR WAS THE ZONING BOARD, UH, VARI APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE FOR THE FRONT YARD, CORRECT? UH, YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU, COULD YOU ALSO NOT SURE.
I'M A PARTNER WITH DELBELLO, DELLA AND WEINGART, AND WE WHITAKER HERE THIS EVENING ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
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IT'S NICE TO SEE EVERYBODY IN PERSON.I KNOW YOU HAVE A VERY LONG AGENDA.
UH, WE ARE PLEASED TO ADVISE YOU THAT THE ZONING BOARD DID GRANT THE NECESSARY VARIANCE THAT IT'S MEETING LAST, UH, LAST WEEK.
AND SO WE ARE HOPEFUL THIS EVENING THAT YOU ARE IN A POSITION TO, UM, GRANT THE, UH, SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE PROJECT.
THE APPLICATION ALSO INCLUDES, UH, A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
THERE'S, WE'VE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT THE TREE REMOVAL AND THE, AND THE STEEP SLOPE.
THE STEEP SLOPE IN WHAT SITE? PLAN SITE IS, IT HAS TO GO BACK TO THE TOWN, TOWN BOARD, DOESN'T IT? NO.
SO WE HAVE, UH, A FEW, SO WE'RE DOING TWO TONIGHT.
FIRST WOULD BE THE NEG DECK, RIGHT? OKAY.
WHICH IS DRAFTED AND IN THE PACKAGES.
AND THEN TWO VOTES, AMENDED SITE PLAN, AND THEN THE TREE REMOVAL, TREE REMOVAL REMOVAL.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE, WE DID THIS AS A UNCOORDINATED REVIEW, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE TO, UH, DO OUR OWN SEEKER, EVEN THOUGH SEEKER WAS DONE AT THE, AT THE ZONING BOARD.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS, UH, AND FIRST OF ALL, ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE VOTE ON ANYTHING ON THIS PROJECT? NOPE.
UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION THEN, THEN TO, UH, WE ALREADY DECLARE THIS AN UNLISTED ACTION, I BELIEVE, CORRECT? WE DID.
SO CAN I HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO GIVE THIS A NEGATIVE DECLARATION UNDER SEEKER, PLEASE? SO MOVED.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDED SITE PLAN? SO MOVED.
SECOND, MICHAEL, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AND THE THIRD ONE IS, COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT? SO MOVED.
IS MICHAEL, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
WE APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S GREAT EFFORTS IN GETTING TO THIS POINT TODAY.
OKAY, THE NEXT CASE IS, UH, PB 2204, WHICH IS METROPOLIS COUNTRY CLUB.
IT'S ALSO, UH, IT'S TB, TB TOWN BOARD 2204 AND PB 2209 METROPOLIS COUNTRY CLUB AT TWO THIRTY NINE, UH, DOBBS FER ROAD.
IT'S A TOWN BOARD OF METHOD SITE PLAN OF WHICH WE HAVE TO GIVE A RECOMMENDATION.
AND THIS IS RETRIEVABLE PERMIT THAT GOES BACK TO THEM.
AND THE, WE HAVE THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, WHICH WE CAN'T RULE ON UNTIL AFTER THE SITE PLAN IS APPROVED.
SO TONIGHT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS DOING.
IS THAT, MIGHT THAT MINE, NOT MINE.
I'VE NEVER SEEN HIM DO THAT BEFORE.
UM, SO WHAT WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO DO IS GIVE A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THE AMENDED SITE PLAN.
IS THAT CORRECT, MS. GARRIS? SO, THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN.
FOR THE RECORD, JANET GARRIS, DELBELLO DANELLE AND WEINGART.
WEIS AND WHITAKER HERE THIS EVENING ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT JOINING ME, ZACH PEARSON, OUR SITE ENGINEER FROM INSIDE ENGINEERING.
UM, SO WE WERE BEFORE YOU LAST MONTH, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD, AND WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE SLOPES PERMIT THAT IS REQUIRED FROM THIS BOARD.
WE LISTENED CAREFULLY TO WHAT THE BOARD DISCUSSED WITH REGARD TO SIDEWALKS, UH, ON JUNIPER HILL ROAD.
UM, ZACH HAS REVISED THE PLAN, AND HE CAN SHOW IT TO YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
THE APPLICANT IS NOW PROPOSING THE INSTALLATION OF A SIDEWALK FROM FAIR STREET, UH, TO THE END OF, UM, TO WHERE THE DRIVEWAY TO THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY WOULD BE CROSSWALK ACROSS THAT DRIVEWAY, UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH MURRAY'S TYPICAL REQUEST.
UM, AND, UM, AND THEN, UM, AND, AND, AND SIDEWALKS TO, YOU KNOW, SIDEWALKS TO THERE.
AND THEN BEYOND THAT POINT, UH, WE WOULD PROPOSE SOME SORT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE TYPE, UH, IMPROVEMENT.
UH, EITHER A WOOD CHIP TYPE PATH OR, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, CINDER PATH FOR THE REMAINDER OF THAT, UH, STREET.
SO YOU WANT ME TO SHARE IT IF YOU COULD? YEAH.
DO YOU HAVE THIS AARON, TO PUT UP? SO, UH, WHAT WE'VE ADVISED APPLICANTS IS TO BRING THEIR LAPTOP, JOIN THE ZOOM, AND THEN THEY'LL SHARE.
AND I'LL JUST TALK TO, TO YOU AND WORKS.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S EASIER TO, IT'S EASIER TO REPORT ON AN EASEL TO ME IN PERSON.
IT'S MUCH BETTER BEHIND THE SCREEN AND, AND MASCARAS IS GOING.
SO BLOW IT UP JUST A LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN SEE IT THERE A LITTLE.
THE AREA IN QUESTION IS, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING A SIDEWALK ON THE, ON THE CLUB SIDE OF JUNIPER HILL ROAD, BASICALLY ALONG WHERE MY HAND IS HERE, CONCRETE SIDEWALK AS, OR CONCRETE CURB AND SIDEWALK CROSSWALK ACROSS
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THE ENTRANCE, EXTEND THE SIDEWALK 20 FEET BEYOND THAT.AND THEN FROM, FROM THAT POINT TO THE, TO THE ENTRANCE DRIVEWAY OF THE SCHOOL, UM, WE WOULD PRO PROPOSE A, SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE JANET SAID, A CINDER BLA CINDER OR WOOD CHIP PATH JUST TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO TRAFFIC FROM THAT POINT ON.
SO WE, THE PATH WOULD CHANGE FROM THERE.
ANY QUESTIONS GUYS? I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, I WASN'T HERE AT THE LAST MEETING AND I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE MINUTES.
WHAT IS THE ESTIMATED TRAFFIC FLOW TO THE NEW BUILDINGS? 'CAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THE SERVICES USED TO BE CONDUCTED IN ANOTHER PART OF THE PROPERTY, BUT WITH BRIGHTVIEW IT'S MOVED HERE.
SO WHAT KIND OF TRAFFIC AND WHAT KIND OF VEHICLES WERE YOU GONNA SEE GOING IN AND OUT OF THAT ENTRANCE? RIGHT, SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY MINIMAL IN NATURE.
UM, YOU KNOW, DURING SEASON THE, THE STAFF WOULD BE COMING, UH, TO THE BUILDING.
UM, SO MAYBE 10 TO 12 PEOPLE A DAY COMING IN THAT, UH, ENTRANCE AND THEN A COUPLE OF DELIVERIES, UH, SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK.
SO IT'S NOT ANTICIPATED TO BE VERY BUSY FROM THE TOWN OF GREENBURG PLANNING BOARD.
UH, IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE VERY BUSY.
UH, AND THEN IN THE OFF SEASON, IT'LL BE EVEN, UH, LESS BUSY THAN THAT.
AND THE EMPLOYEES COMING IN ARE THERE TO PARK AND WORK.
THEY'RE NOT GOING BACK AND FORTH.
SO THEY WOULD, NO, THEY COME IN, THEY PARK THERE, THEY'RE THERE ALL DAY AND THEN THEY LEAVE.
SO IT'S NOT A BUNCH OF TRUCKS GOING IN AND OUT ALL DAY.
YEAH, I MEAN THE, THE, THE MAIN DELIVERIES FOR, YOU KNOW, THE FOOD AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO THE CLUB ARE COMING IN THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND GOING TO THE MAIN CLUB BUILDING.
SO THIS IS SPECIFICALLY, THIS IS THE MAIN, THE MAIN FACILITY.
HOW LONG IS THE, UH, PERVIOUS SIDEWALK? UH, AND WHY IS IT PERVIOUS AND NOT CONCRETE OR ASPHALT? I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT LENGTH.
OH, ROUGHISH, LET'S CALL IT, LEMME ZOOM IN ON THE SCALE HERE.
YEAH, IT'S A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET.
AND THE RE THE REASON IS, ONCE THERE'S NO TRAFFIC ON JUNIPER HILL ROAD, ONCE YOU PASS OUR PROPOSED ENTRANCE TO THE MAIN FACILITY, THERE'S NOTHING, IT'S A DEAD END ROAD THAT GOES TO THE CLUB.
SO RIGHT NOW PEOPLE WALK ALONG, THEY JUST WALK DOWN, THEY WALK DOWN THE ROAD AS IT IS.
SO THE PROPOSAL IS TO AT LEAST GIVE THEM A PATH, SOME FORMAL PATH THERE.
NOT NECESSARILY CONCRETE, BUT A PATH TO WALK ON TO GET 'EM OFF OF THE ROAD.
BUT IT'S NOT A, THERE'S NO TRAFFIC.
WHEN YOU SAY TRAFFIC, YOU MEAN FOOT TRAFFIC OR CAR TRAFFIC? CAR TRAFFIC TRAFFIC.
CAR TRAFFIC STOPS AT OUR NEW ENTRANCE.
THERE, THERE'S, IS THERE PAVEMENT BEYOND YOUR CLOCK? YEAH, IT'S PAVED THE ENTIRE WAY.
BUT NOBODY, LIKE, KIDS DON'T PARK UP THERE TO GO TO SCHOOL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO, NO, NO.
JUNIPER HILL ROAD GOES WHERE IT DEAD ENDS.
IT ENDS IT DEAD ENDS AT THE CLUB.
SO JUNIPER ROAD IS BASICALLY WITHIN THE PROPERTY LIMITS OF THE CLUB.
THAT PART OF JUNIPER ROAD, NOT IT GOES THE ACROSS TOO.
WELL, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A TOWN ROADWAY, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT ON THE CLUB PROPERTY, BUT IT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT AND IT DEAD ENDS AT THE CLUB.
AND THERE'S A, THE DRIVEWAY THAT YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'D SEE RIGHT.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE DRIVEWAY CUT THROUGH THE KID KIDS WILL WALK FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF JUNIPER HILL DOWN THIS ROAD AND THEY CUT UP THAT DRIVEWAY TO GO THE BACK WAY INTO THE SCHOOL.
I, I'M NOT VISUALIZING THIS, BUT I MEAN, THE ONLY REASON I ASK BECAUSE IS BECAUSE BABY STROLLERS DON'T REALLY WORK ON GRAVEL OR WOOD CHIPS.
BUT YOU'RE TELLING US THAT THAT WOULD BE A RARE THING TO HAVE A STROLLER GO THERE OR A CAR EVEN.
HE, YEAH, I MEAN, THERE'S NO REAL REASON FOR CARS TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD, UM, ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR.
RIGHT? THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A VEHICLE FROM THE GOLF COURSE THAT WOULD ACCESS THAT SITE FINE.
BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, A A A ROADWAY THAT'S TRAVELED BY VEHICLES.
AND, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY RIGHT NOW, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE KIDS JUST WALK RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET BECAUSE THERE'S NO TRAFFIC.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WHY BUILD A SIDEWALK AT ALL THEN? WELL, THAT WILL CHANGE BECAUSE NOW THERE IS, THERE IS GOING BE SOMETHING TO POINT OF OUR DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE.
THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR EMPLOYEES TO COME IN IN THE MORNING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TYPICALLY THERE EARLIER.
IT'S PROBABLY THE TIME THE KIDS ARE WALKING TO SCHOOL TOO.
IT'S, WELL, OH, THE EX EMPLOYEES WILL BE THERE EARLIER, BUT THE POINT PAST THE ENTRY.
WHY NOT? WHY BUILD A PERVIOUS SIDEWALK AT ALL IF THEY WERE WALKING THE STREET AND THERE BASICALLY NO CAR? BECAUSE THE STREET IS GONNA BE TRA HAVE TRAFFIC ON MORE THAN, SO HE'S SAYING BEYOND.
I MEAN, A TRUCK COULD GO PAST JUST TRUCK.
SOMEBODY COULD MISS IT, BUT IT AT LEAST DELINEATES SOMETHING WHERE THEY SHOULD BE.
AS OPPOSED TO JUST, AND IT WAS A, YEAH, IT WAS ASKED LAST TIME AND I THINK THEY'VE
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BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE TO THOSE COMMENTS.CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ? I BELIEVE, UH, MS. FRY TAG HAD SOMETHING SHE WOULD LIKE TO SAY.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO SAY SOMETHING.
UM, YEAH, UH, I THINK THEY'VE BEEN BUILDING SIDEWALKS ON FAIR STREET AND THEY'RE TRYING TO CONTINUE THIS FOR THE KIDS TO WALK TO.
IT'S THE BACK ROAD INTO THE WOODLANDS HIGH SCHOOL THAT THE KIDS CUT THROUGH.
SO THEY'RE TRYING TO CONTINUE THE WALKWAY FOR THE KIDS TO WALK THROUGH, IS THAT CORRECT? ARE THEY BUILDING SIDEWALKS ON FAIR STREET? OH, THEY HAVE ALREADY THE TOWN.
THEY, THE TOWN HAS FINISHED THE TOWN FINISHED BUILDING SIDEWALKS ON FAIR STREET, AND THEY WANNA FINISH THE WALKWAY ON JUNIPER HILL SO THE KIDS CAN CONTINUE WALKING SAFELY TO WOODLANDS.
SO IF THEY FINISH THIS ON JUNIPER HILL, THAT CONTINUES THE WALKWAY TO WOODLANDS SAFELY FOR THE CHILDREN? CORRECT.
SO THIS WOULD BE THE FINAL STEP FOR THE SAFE WALKWAY TO WOODLANDS IF THIS GETS DONE.
SO IF YOU JOHANN WAS HERE, HE COULD GIVE YOU THE EXACT MM-HMM.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
SO MARTY, MARTY, YOU'RE SATISFIED WITH, UH, THIS PLAN THEN? YES.
THIS FINISHES, YOU KNOW, FROM FAIR STREET TO JUNIPER HILL, AND THEN THEY HAVE A SAFE WALKWAY TO WOODLAND.
SO THAT'S THE FINAL STEP OKAY.
IT'S FOUNDED FAIR STREET, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE JUNIPER HILL, AND THEN THEY HAVE A SAFE WALKWAY TO HERE.
THEY'VE NEVER, THEY'VE BEEN WALKING IN THE STREET ALL THESE YEARS INSTEAD OF ON A SIDEWALK.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS BEFORE WE, UH, MOVE ON TO A MOTION? ALL RIGHT, ANYTHING.
SO STAFF HAS PREPARED A DRAFT RECOMMENDATION AT THE BOARD'S REQUEST RIGHT FROM THE LAST MEETING.
IT'S A DRAFT POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
THE ONLY LANGUAGE THAT I COULD SEE CHANGING WOULD BE ON PAGE TWO, WHERE WE, TOWARDS THE END OF THAT LAST PARAGRAPH WHERE IT STATED THAT THE BOARD RECOMMENDS THE TOWN BOARD CONSIDER REQUESTING THAT THE APPLICANT INSTALL A SIDEWALK, WE CAN MODIFY THAT TO REFLECT THE UPDATES.
YOU KNOW, SHOWN THIS EVENING, CAN I HAVE A MOTION THEN TO ACCEPT, UH, AND, AND FORWARD THE RECOMMENDATION AS AMENDED THAT POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION AS AMENDED MOTION TO, UM, MOTION TO PASS THE POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION AS AS AMENDED.
WE SOME WORK NOW TO DO WITH THE TOWN BOARD.
UM, AND THEN I THINK ONCE WE GET A LITTLE FARTHER ALONG WITH THE TOWN BOARD IN THAT PROCESS, WE'LL BE BACK TO YOU, UH, IN CONNECTION WITH THE SLOPES PERMIT.
WELL I REALLY, WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT YOU RESPONDED TO THIS TOO.
ALRIGHT, MOVING RIGHT ON, RIGHT ALONG, UH, CASE TB 2116 PB 2131 MIDWAY SHOPPING CENTER.
UH, WE'VE SEEN, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD THIS IN FRONT OF US A FEW TIMES BEFORE.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE THE APPLICANTS ARE GONNA BE PRESENTING, UH, REMOTELY? SO WE HAVE MR. NOLL, I JUST HAVE A FEW COMMENTS BEFORE WE GET STARTED.
SO AGAIN, UM, NEXT CASE IS CASE TB 2116 AND PB 2131 MIDWAY SHOPPING CENTER, UH, INVOLVING, UH, AN AMENDED SITE PLAN REFERRAL FROM THE TOWN BOARD, A RESTAURANT AND FAST FOOD QUICK SERVICE SPECIAL PERMIT THAT'S PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL AUTHORITY, AS WELL AS A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION, WHICH IS ALSO BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, INVOLVING THE PROPOSED CONVERSION OF RETAIL SPACE TO RESTAURANT SPACE CONSTRUCTION OF AN EXPANDED OUTDOOR DINING AREA AND A RECONFIGURED PARKING LAYOUT.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONVERT 2,900 SQUARE FEET OF EXISTING RETAIL SPACE TO RESTAURANT SPACE IN AN OUTBUILDING TO CONVERT 5,300 SQUARE FEET TO QUICK SERVICE FAST FOOD.
AND AT APPROXIMATELY 3,300 SQUARE FEET OF OUTDOOR SEATING AREA AROUND THE BUILDING, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO MODIFY THE PARKING LAYOUT TO FACILITATE CURBSIDE PICKUP SPOTS AND TO CREATE SPACE FOR OUTDOOR SEATING.
THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION OF 197 SPACES FROM 1,308 REQUIRED TO 1,111 PROPOSED ASSOCIATED WITH THE CHANGE IN USE AND PARKING LAYOUT.
PLANNING BOARD LAST DISCUSSED THIS MATTER AT ITS JULY 6TH MEETING WHERE CERTAIN QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, AND CONCERNS WERE RAISED BY THE BOARD, WHICH
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RESULTED IN A FOLLOW-UP SUBMISSION BY THE APPLICANT.THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING TO FURTHER DETAIL THE PROJECT AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.
WE ALSO HAVE JOHN CANNING THE TOWN'S TRAFFIC CONSULTANT FOR THE PROJECT AVAILABLE TO DISCUSS HIS REVIEW OF THE PROJECT TO DATE AND TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT.
THE NEXT STEP FOR THE PLANNING BOARD WILL BE TO CONSIDER ISSUING ITS RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THE AMENDED SITE PLAN APPLICATION REFERRAL.
IT WOULD THEN, AT A FUTURE POINT COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR A SPECIAL, FOR THE SPECIAL FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE SPECIAL PERMIT PERMIT AND THE SHARED PARKING.
YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS I'D LIKE TO MAKE, UH, BEFORE, UM, THE APPLICANT PRESENTS.
UM, THERE WERE VERY, SOME VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ASKED, UH, DUR AS WE'VE SEEN THIS, THIS AND SOME OF THEM, I'M HOPING WE CAN GET A LOT OF THEM ANSWERED TONIGHT.
I, I READ IN DETAIL, UH, WHAT YOU WROTE.
SO LET ME FIRST SAY THAT WE HAVE, I'M ALLOCATING ABOUT 30 MINUTES TO THIS PROJECT UNITE, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS IN 30 MINUTES.
SO WE WOULD REQUEST WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE SUBJECTS, UM, AND YOU'RE PRESENTING THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTING, I WISH YOU COULD SEE THE APPLICANT, NOT THAT I DON'T LIKE SEEING MORE.
IT'D BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE APPLICANT, UM, UH, THAT, UH, YOU GIVE US AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY RATHER THAN, THAN, UH, IN-DEPTH DETAIL ON THINGS LIKE THE PARKING STUDY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THERE WERE ACTUALLY SEVERAL ITEMS THAT WE WERE INTERESTED IN.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, WE STILL HAVEN'T NOT TOTALLY COMFORTABLE WITH, UH, KNOWING WHAT THE USE IS BECAUSE AS I STATED, I THINK AT THE LAST MEETING DONE FURTHER RESEARCH, UH, I'VE NEVER SEEN A 5,300 SQUARE FOOT, UH, FAST FOOD, UH, ESTABLISHMENT IN THE UNITED STATES.
I THINK THE BIGGEST ONE IS THE MCDONALD'S IN NEW YORK CITY, WHICH IS ABOUT 5,000.
MOST OF THEM ARE MUCH LESS THAN THAT.
SO I'M NOT SURE SURE WHAT YOU REALLY HAVE PLANNED TO GO IN THERE.
IF YOU CAN'T TELL US SPECIFICALLY, I'D LIKE TO HAVE A BETTER IDEA.
UM, SECOND WAS WE, I KNOW THAT YOU RE-LOOKED AT THE PARKING STUDY.
PLEASE JUST GIVE US THE TOP LINE RESULTS AND THE CONCLUSION FROM THAT.
I KNOW YOU DID SOME WORK ON THE, UM, ON THE A WITH THE ACCIDENT REPORT.
I'D LIKE TO JUST GIVE US A, YOUR CONCLUSIONS ON THAT AND IF POSSIBLE RELATED TO, IF YOU HAVE EVEN LOOKED AT IT, TO HOW DOES THAT COMPARE WITH OTHER SHOPPING CENTERS? OKAY.
THAT, THAT, THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE.
AND PROBABLY, AS I SAID, I'VE SAID IN JULY, THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM HAS TO DO, UH, WITH THE FLOW THROUGH, THROUGH THE, UM, THROUGH, THROUGH THE PARKING, THROUGH THE WHOLE SHOPPING CENTER, PARTICULARLY WHAT, WHERE EVERYBODY'S FORCED TO GO IN FRONT OF SHOPRITE.
IN FACT, THERE'S SOME EYE-OPENING STATISTICS IN THE STUDY YOU GAVE US, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DOING THAT.
WHICH LEADS ME TO, LEADS US TO BELIEVE IT THAT, UH, WE CAN PROBABLY DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL, UH, CREATE BETTER FLOW THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE PARKING LOT WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING PHYSICALLY MORE WITH A SIGNAGE POINT OF VIEW.
WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT AND, UH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
UH, I'M HERE WITH, UH, ELLO FROM J M C AND, UM, AND NUMBER, COULD YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME, NAME PLEASE.
WILLIAM NALL WITH, I'M A PARTNER WITH THE FIRM OF CUT AND FADER.
AND, UH, APPRECIATE VERY MUCH, UM, THE TIME THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING US.
UM, AS YOU SAID, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU ASKED FOR, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD ASKED FOR CONSIDERABLE INFORMATION, AND ON AUGUST 31 WE SUBMITTED ADDITIONAL PARKING COUNTS AS WELL AS AN ANALYSIS OF INCIDENT REPORTS OF VEHICLE ACCIDENTS AND, UM, AND MODIFICATIONS FOR ACCESS TO THE SHOPPING CENTER, INCLUDING PROVISION OF A, A NEW METHODOLOGY FOR CROSSING ARLEY ROAD.
UM, AS YOU ASKED FOR US TO, UH, LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF DISCUSSION, I'M GONNA ASK JAM M C TO GO THROUGH THE DETAILS OF WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS PROVIDED.
BUT WE HAVE HAD THE BENEFIT OF REVIEWING KIMLEY HORN'S TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, AND THEY SEEM TO BE IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT WE HAD SUBMITTED BY WAY OF THESE TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT COUNTS, INCIDENT REPORTS.
AND I THINK THEY WERE COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROPOSED ARTLEY ROAD CROSSING.
WE HAVE MADE SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATIONS TO THE CIRCULATION IN THE NORTHERN QUADRANT OF THE SITE, AND WE HAD LENGTHY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PLANNING BOARD ABOUT THOSE CHANGES.
WE HAD THE BENEFIT OF BEING ADVISED OF, OF, UH, PLANNING BOARD COMMENTS REGARDING SIGNAGE, AND IF WE COULD, WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS, UM,
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THOSE COMMENTS AS WELL WHEN, UM, MR. AIELLO WALKS THROUGH, UH, A SUMMARY OF THE PARKING COUNTS AND VEHICLE ACCIDENTS.I DO WANNA NOTE THOUGH, THAT WITH REGARD TO SIZES OF THE RESTAURANTS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, THEY'VE BEEN DONE BASED ON OUR CLIENT'S MARKET STUDIES.
AND THE 5,300, UM, FOOT SQUARE FOOT, UH, STORE PROPOSED AS A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THEY'VE ANALYZED.
IN FACT, OTHER RESTAURANTS IN THIS CENTER, THE PANERA RED RESTAURANT IS 4,700 PLUS SQUARE FEET, AND THE PIZZA HUTT IS 3,900 SQUARE FEET.
AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT FOR COMPARATIVE PURPOSES FOR THE RECORD, MR. NO, NEITHER OF THOSE ARE CONSIDERED QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANTS.
NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I'M JUST SAYING, I'M TELL YOU ABOUT THE SERVICE RESTAURANTS, THE SIZE OF THE RESTAURANTS FOR THIS CENTER ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE, WHAT OUR CLIENT'S MARKET RESEARCH HAS INDICATED IS NEEDED.
UM, MR. AIELLO, IF YOU COULD, I'D LIKE YOU TO JUST WALK THROUGH WHAT WE'D, UM, SUBMITTED AND, AND ADDRESS THE CHAIRMAN'S REQUEST FOR AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY LEVEL FOR THAT.
ACTUALLY, UM, I'M GONNA ASK MARK PETRO FROM J M C TO DO THAT AS HE, UH, WAS MOST INVOLVED IN PREPARATION OF THOSE DOCUMENTS AND COORDINATION WITH THE TOWN'S TRAFFIC CONSULTANT.
UH, GOOD EVENING, UH, CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THIS IS MARK PETRO FROM J M C.
UH, TRIED TO HIT THE HIGH NOTES AS THE CHAIRMAN'S LOOKING TO KEEP THIS BRIEF.
SO, UH, WE DID REVISE THE PARKING ANALYSIS.
UM, WHAT WE DID THOUGH, UH, FIRST IS WE COUNTED, UH, FOR OVER THE COURSE OF A WEEK TO DETERMINE WHEN WAS THE BUSIEST DAY OF THE WEEK FOR THE CENTER.
UH, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT FRIDAY WAS ACTUALLY THE BUSIEST DAY OF THE WEEK, UM, FOLLOWED BY TUESDAY.
UM, SO WHAT WE DID IS WE DID NEW PARKING ANALYSES, UH, WITH DRONES, YOU KNOW, TAKING AERIAL SNAPSHOTS OF, UH, THE SAME TIME PERIODS THAT WE PREVIOUSLY ANALYZED.
AND WE REANALYZED FOR A FRIDAY AND WE REANALYZED FOR A TUESDAY.
UM, SO, UH, EVEN THOUGH WE HAD THE PREVIOUS DATA FOR BLACK FRIDAY AND ALSO THE, THE, UH, SECOND WEEK IN DECEMBER, UM, SO WE REANALYZED, UH, THOSE WITH THE NEW DATA.
UM, WE ALSO REVISED THE ANALYSES BACK FROM BLACK FRIDAY AND FROM DECEMBER, AS WELL AS THE MORE RECENT COUNTS TO, UH, DISTRIBUTE THE POTENTIAL SPILLOVER PARKING THAT WOULD OCCUR DURING WHENEVER THE TIME PERIODS WOULD OCCUR TO BE MORE OF THE SPILLOVER PARKING GOING TOWARDS THE SHOPRITE PARKING AREA, WHICH IN OUR STUDY WAS PARKING AREA D WITH THE REMAINDER GOING TO, UH, AREA B, WHICH IS CLOSER TO LEY ROAD.
UM, SO WHAT WE FOUND IN THE ANALYSIS IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME PERIOD, UM, THERE IS NO SPILLOVER, BUT THERE ARE SOME TIMES WHERE THERE IS SOME SPILLOVER.
AND DURING THOSE TIMES, AREAS B AND D CAN BE ACCOMMODATED TO, UH, INCORPORATE THAT SPILLOVER, UH, AMOUNT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THE MAJORITY OF THAT TIME PERIOD THAT WE ANALYZED OVER THAT COURSE OF THE DAYS, IT COULD BE HANDLED, UH, IN THE ADJACENT PARKING AREA TO THOSE RESTAURANTS.
UM, THAT'S A VERY QUICK SYNOPSIS OF OUR PARKING ANALYSIS.
UM, AS FAR AS ACCIDENTS, UH, WE DID REQUEST ACCIDENTS FROM THE, UH, TOWN, UH, WE LOOKED OF THE YEAR OF 2019.
WE ALSO LOOKED MORE RECENT, UH, OF THE 20 21, 20 22.
UM, AND WHAT WE FOUND IS THE MAJORITY OF THE DATA THAT WAS GIVEN BACK TO US WERE CONSIDERED, UH, INCIDENT REPORTS.
UH, ABOUT 87% OF THE REPORTS CAME BACK AS INCIDENT REPORTS, WHICH DON'T INVOLVE ANY KIND OF, UH, INJURIES OR PROPERTY DAMAGE TO A STRUCTURE.
UM, THAT'S WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, CLASSIFIES AS AN INCIDENT REPORT.
IF THERE WAS ANY INJURIES OR PROPERTY DAMAGE, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY FILE A FULL BLOWN, UH, ACCIDENT REPORT.
THERE WEREN'T, UH, UH, TOO MANY, LIKE I SAID, MAJORITY WERE INCIDENT REPORTS, BUT THERE WERE SOME THAT THIS REDEVELOPMENT, THIS PROPOSED ONE WILL A ALLEVIATE SOME OR JUST SOME, UH, ACCIDENTS THAT OCCURRED.
SO ONE OF 'EM INVOLVES SOME, UH, PEDESTRIAN, UM, AND SOME TRAFFIC, UH, FLOW OVER BY THE PIZZA HUTT.
UM, SO WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE, WE WOULD MAKE, UH, AND ADDRESS SOME OF THAT, UH, CONCERN THAT HAPPENED, CONCERN THAT HAPPENED FROM THAT ACCIDENT WHERE THE PEDESTRIAN WOULD BE SEPARATELY IN THEIR OWN TRAVEL PATH WITH A MARKED CROSSWALK AND EVERYTHING.
SO THERE ARE SOME, UH, BENEFITS THAT WE'RE PROVIDING AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION TO IMPROVE THOSE CONDITIONS.
UH, ADDITIONALLY, ANOTHER ACCIDENT INVOLVES, UM, THE, UH, DRIVEWAY AT ARDSLEY ROAD.
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IMPROVEMENT OF CONSOLIDATING THE DRIVEWAY WOULD LESSEN THE CONFUSION, UH, TO IMPROVE THOSE CONDITIONS THAT, UH, RESULT IN THAT ACCIDENT.UM, SO THERE ARE BENEFITS AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION THAT ARE ADDRESSING SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, UM, AS TO THE FACT OF THE SLIP LANES THAT HAVE BEEN ASSAULT BY THE APPLICANT, UM, AND PREVIOUSLY WE DID A COUNT OVER BY THE SLIP LANES TO SEE HOW OFTEN THAT IS UTILIZED.
UM, AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE ENTERING TRAFFIC PEOPLE COME FROM CENTRAL PARK AVENUE USING THE SLIP LANES.
IT WAS, UH, AN AVERAGE ABOUT 3.4 0.3% AND A HIGH OF 6.38% USING THOSE SLIP LANES.
HOWEVER, PEOPLE EXITING THE CENTER AND JUST USING THOSE SLIP LANES TO EXIT ON CENTRAL AVENUE, THEY AVERAGE ABOUT 40, UH, 40.7% AND A HIGH OF 50.9% UTILIZING THOSE SLIP LANES, EXITING THE TRAFFIC.
SO A LOT OF THAT EXITING TRAFFIC IS NOT GOING TOWARDS THOSE STOREFRONTS, THEY'RE USING THOSE SLIP LANES TO GET OUT ON CENTRAL AVENUE SOONER, UM, AND NOT GOING ALONG THOSE STOREFRONTS.
SO AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT BRIEF FOR YOU CHAIRMAN.
UM, AND, UH, HOPEFULLY THAT HIT THE HIGH POINTS FOR YOU.
UM, AND, UH, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM THAT THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT SUMMARY.
ANY QUESTIONS THIS GENTLEMEN FROM ANYBODY ON THE BOARD AT THIS POINT? OKAY.
UM, I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE SHOULD PUT UP THE PLAN SO WE CAN SEE, SEE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING.
YEAH, LET'S, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN AND SEE IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS ON THE BOARD ON THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT SUMMARY.
MR. CHAIRMAN, DO YOU ALSO WANT US TO ADDRESS THE SIGNAGE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN CONVEYED? I, YEAH, I, LET'S LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN FIRST, MR. NULL, I THINK, AND, UM, PARTICULARLY THE CROSSWALKS THAT, THAT WERE IN THERE.
UM, AND UH, SO IF YOU COULD SHOW US, UH, WHAT YOU'RE DOING OVER ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE, THE PROPERTY, THEN WE'LL, WE'LL LEAVE THE SIGNAGE FOR THE LAST THING.
UH, THERE ARE TWO CROSSWALKS THAT WERE BEING DISCUSSED.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ONES THAT ARE CONNECTING PIZZA HUTT AND YEAH, THEY'RE RED SPACE, YES.
AND ALSO YOU DID THE ONE OVER, OVER ACROSS TO THE, 'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY IMPROVEMENT.
THAT ONE, ONE YOU PUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, UH, THE EXIT TUBE THAT'S OVER THERE.
SO YEAH, ALL OF THE, THE ONES THAT ARE, YOU'RE SHOWING THE, THE THREE THAT WE'RE SHOWING ON YOUR SCREEN ADDRESS, ALL THREE OF THEM FOR US, I THINK THAT'D BE GREAT.
SO, UH, THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION OF THE SITE INCLUDES A CROSSWALK BASICALLY GOING IN THIS LOCATION HERE.
AND IN A PRIOR SUBMISSION, UH, WE MADE, WE, UH, MODIFIED THAT WE, WE MOVED THIS CROSSWALK AND WE ADDED A NEW CROSSWALK COMING FROM PIZZA HUTT IN THIS LOCATION GOING AND BEING PROTECTED AND SEPARATED FROM TRAFFIC, UH, AND THEN BEING ABLE TO CROSS THIS LANE AND BRING YOU TO THE PANERA BREAD SPACE BY CROSSING, UH, THIS AISLE HERE.
SO THE LAST SUBMISSION TO THE BOARD INCLUDED ONLY THIS ONE AS A NEW CROSSWALK, BUT THE MOST RECENT, UH, SUBMISSION INCLUDES BOTH THAT ONE AND A MODIFICATION OF THE EXISTING CROSSWALK, UH, THAT ALREADY EXISTS.
UM, SO MAY I ASK WHY YOU ADDED THAT BACK IN? I I'M NOT CLEAR ON WHAT THE REASONING FOR THAT WAS.
MARK, DO YOU RECALL THE, UH, THE RATIONALE THAT THAT WAS ACTUALLY, UH, BASED ON COMMENTS FROM YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, UH, TO LOOK INTO, UH, ADDING THOSE BACK IN, UH, THE BENEFITS THAT YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD HAVE ABOUT HAVING THIS CROSSING? IT ALLOWS, UH, SOMEONE FROM PIZZA HUTT TO ACCESS, UM, THE, THE EASTERN PARKING, UH, LOT OVER THERE FOR THEM TO USE THAT CROSSWALK TO GET OVER TO THE, THE EASTERN PARKING LOT, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN CONTINUE ON TO GO TO PANERA BREAD.
UM, SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE BENEFITS YOU WOULD HAVE ABOUT MAINTAINING, UH, YOU KNOW, A CONFIGURATION SIMILAR TO EXISTING.
I FEEL LIKE THIS COMPLICATES THE FLOW THERE.
IT'S ALREADY A COMPLICATED DANCE OF CARS AND PEOPLE, AND I LIKED YOUR NEW ONE BECAUSE IT KIND OF TOOK PEOPLE ALONG THE CORRIDOR AND OVER AND NOW AND IT WAS ONLY INTERRUPTING THREE CORRIDORS.
WHEN YOU ADD THIS ONE BACK IN, YOU'RE NOW INTERRUPTING SIX CORRIDORS.
AND I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S ADDING CONFUSION.
UM, THE ONLY BENEFIT I CAN SEE IS THE ONE CLOSEST TO PIZZA HUTT THAT GOES TO THE PARKING WHERE IF SOMEONE WANTS TO, IF SOMEONE'S PARKED, YOU KNOW, LIKE IN THE MIDDLE OF LOWER PART OF YOUR SCREEN
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THERE AND THEY WANT, THEY'RE OVER BY PIZZA HUTT OR ER OR WHATEVER, AND THEY WANT TO GET TO THEIR CARS, GREAT, THEY CROSS OVER.BUT THEN CONTINUING AROUND, I FEEL LIKE THE ONE THAT YOU HAD ORIGINALLY IS SUFFICIENT TO GET OVER TO THE PANERA CORNER, BUT AGAIN, MAYBE THERE'S A TRAFFIC REASON FOR IT.
IT SEEMS TO ME IT'S COMPLICATING AND, UM, SLOWING THINGS DOWN.
MR. CAN, AND AND WE DO HAVE VISTA CANNING PRESENT, SO WE CAN ASK HIM TO BIN ON THAT.
I I MAYBE WE SHOULD DO IT NOW BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS ONE, ONE THING.
IS HE ON I, JOHN, ARE YOU ON THAT? YOU MAY BE ABLE TO YES, CAN, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN, JOHN.
JOHN, COULD YOU COMMENT ON THE NEED FOR THAT SECOND CROSSWALK THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? SURE.
SO AS, AS BEST AS I CAN RECALL, UM, THE LAST APPLICATION, THE LAST SUBMISSION DID HAVE AT THE CROSS UP WALK THAT WENT DIRECTLY EAST FROM PIZZA HUTT ACROSS THE NEW SIDEWALK TO THE CORNER OF PANERA BREAD AND THEN CROSSED DOWN THE PANERA BREAD.
BUT IT DID NOT HAVE, UH, THE EXISTING CROSSWALK THAT GOES OUT FROM PIZZA HUTT TO THE PARKING AREA, AND IT DID NOT HAVE THE CROSSWALK THAT THEN GOES FROM THERE ACROSS TO PANERA BREAD, WHICH WAS ALREADY DESCRIBED.
UM, AND MY COMMENT AT THE TIME, UM, AND I THINK IT WAS PREVIOUS TO THE MEETING IN MY DOCUMENTATION, WAS THAT THE CROSSWALK FROM PIZZA HUTT TO THE PARKING AREA SHOULD REMAIN.
SO MY ONLY OFFICIAL COMMENT THAT I RECALL WAS THAT THE CROSS, JUST AS THE BOARD MEMBER SAID, THE CROSSWALK TO THE PARKING LOT SHOULD REMAIN.
OKAY, JOHN, LET ME THE BOARD, CAN I, CAN I CLARIFY THIS THOUGH? WHICH, YES.
ARE YOU JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SHORT CROSSWALK STRAIGHT ACROSS THE PIZZA HUTT? WHAT ABOUT THE, THE, THE LEG THAT GOES FROM THE PARKING LOT OVER TO PANERA? RIGHT.
SO, SO THAT WAS MY COMMENT, AND THEN AT THE MEETING THE BOARD DISCUSSED, UH, THE BENEFITS OF THE CURRENT CROSSWALK, WHICH IS BASICALLY WHAT YOU SEE ON THE BOTTOM VERSUS THE CROSSWALK ON THE TOP.
AND IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, AND IT'S, IT'S NOT GUARANTEED THAT I CAN, ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS SAID THAT THEY, I THOUGHT THEY SAID THEY PREFERRED THE SOUTH CROSSWALK, THE, THE, THE BOTTOM CROSSWALK AS OPPOSED TO YELLOW CROSSWALK AS OPPOSED TO THE BROWN CROSSWALK.
I BELIEVE ONE MEMBER DID VOICE THAT.
I I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA AS AS TO WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE OPTIMAL DESIGN HERE.
CLEARLY IF YOU TAKE THE BROWN ROUTE, YOU'RE OUT OF TRAFFIC AND ON A SIDEWALK FOR A LONGER AREA THAN IF YOU TAKE THE YELLOW ROUTE.
UM, I STILL MAINTAIN THAT THE LEFT END OF THE YELLOW ROUTE CONNECTING PIZZA HUTT TO THE PARKING LOT SHOULD REMAIN BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME OUTTA PIZZA HUTT AND THEY'RE GOING TO CROSS TO THE PARKING LOT AND IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT WE GIVE THEM THE PROTECTION TO DO THAT.
SO WHAT REMAINS REALLY IS WHAT IS THE, THE BENEFIT, WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS AND THE DISADVANTAGES OF THE YELLOW PORTION THAT RUNS TO THE RIGHT.
YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO, TO UH, UH, TO CROSS TWO LANES OF POSSIBLY ACTIVE TRAFFIC WHEN THEY COULD BE KIND OF CIRCUMVENTING IT IN THE CORRECT THING.
I I WOULD NOT WANNA ENCOURAGE THAT.
SO WHAT WOULD YOUR RECOMMENDATION BE THEN, MR. CANNING ON THAT? LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF IT WILL DEPEND ON WHAT THE PEOPLE WILL DO.
SO IF YOU DON'T PROVIDE THAT CROSSWALK, UM, IT'S MORE LIKELY BUT NOT GUARANTEED THAT THEY WILL TAKE THE BROWN ROUTE.
UH, SO IT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CONCEPT WILL BE TO TAKE IT OUT AND, AND MORE THAN WE'LL TAKE THAT ROUTE.
THE, ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF PROVIDING THAT IS THAT IT HIGHLIGHTS THAT THERE ARE PEDESTRIANS IN THE AREA MORE.
SO ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS SAID TRAFFIC MIGHT SLOW DOWN.
UM, MY, MY INITIAL RECOMMENDATION THAT I'LL STAND BY IT WHEN WE, WHEN WE RECEIVED THIS DOCUMENT THE LAST TIME WAS KEEP THE BROWN AND ADD THE YELLOW ON THE LEFT THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED AND TA AND NOT HAD THAT LONG LEG, THEN YES.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WANNA SAY.
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT IT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REMOVING THE SOUTHERN ONE, RIGHT? THE THE YES, THE, THAT LONG SOUTHERN LEG FROM THE PARKING LOT OVER, OVER TO PANERA.
MONA, WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND, AND WALTER'S NOW ON THIS ONE.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ON THAT, ON THAT CROSSWALK? I LIKE IT.
LIKE IT THERE OR GONE? LIKE IT GONE.
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BUT I THINK WE SHOULD PUT PLENTY OF SIGNS, UH, TELLING PEOPLE THAT, UH, STOP ALL CROSSWALK AND THAT SHOULD BE, UH, UH, STRATEGICALLY SET ALL ALONG, UH, THE SHOPPING AREA THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THEIR CROSSWALKS AND YOU SHOULD STOP AND, AND, AND PEDESTRIANS HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY.WALTER, THE QUESTION, THE QUESTION THOUGH IS JUST ON THAT ONE LITTLE LEG, WHICH I, AND I SAID I AGREE, I THINK IT SHOULD REMAIN OKAY.
AND I, UH, FOR THE REASONS I JUST SAID OKAY.
IS THAT WE HAVE TO INSTILL UPON DRIVERS THAT PEOPLE ARE WALKING AND WE HAVE THESE THAT SHOULD REMAIN AND WE SHOULD PUT PLENTY OF SIGNAGE ON THE PROPERTY TELLING PEOPLE THAT BE CAREFUL OF PEDESTRIANS IN THE, IN THE WALKWAY AND PEDESTRIANS HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO YOU THINK IT'S BETTER FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY? CORRECT.
AND MONA DID MR. MR. OH, I'M SORRY.
TO ME, THE YELLOW, THE YELLOW IS JUST GOING TO THE PARKING LOT AND EVERYWHERE IS GOING TO THE PARKING LOT.
SO WHY NOT HAVE A YELLOW EVERYWHERE? THAT MAKES NO SENSE.
UH, IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO HAVE THE YELLOW.
YOU WOULD, I MEAN, YOU MIGHT AS WELL HAVE THE YELLOW GOING TO EVERY PARKING LOT LINE.
THAT WHOLE HAT, THAT WHOLE, THAT WHOLE CROSS HATCH PART IS ALL, ALL CROSSWALK IN FRONT OF SHOP, RIGHT? THE WHOLE THING IS, YEAH, WELL YOU DO, YES.
YOU DO HAVE THEM AT MOST LOCATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE A RAMP THAT EXITS SO IT'S CONSISTENT.
AND I WILL LET, IF, IF I MAY OFFER THIS SUGGESTION, THE GOAL AND THE INTENT OF THIS DESIGN ULTIMATELY WOULD BE TO HAVE THE PEDESTRIANS THAT ARE GOING FROM PIZZA HUTT TO PANERA BREAD AND BACK TAKE THE BROWN ROUTE BECAUSE THEY'RE OFF THE ROAD.
THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE IF WE WERE TO BUILD IT AS SHOWN THERE WITH THE YELLOW AND THE BROWN, BUT NOT THE SOUTH SECTION THAT, UH, FORMER CHAIRMAN SIMON SAID THAT HE BELIEVES WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL IF WE WERE TO BUILD IT THAT WAY AND GO BACK SIX MONTHS AFTER IT WAS INSTALLED AND DO A SURVEY AND FIND THAT PEOPLE WERE IN FACT WALKING THAT WAY, NOT THE WAY WE INTENDED.
THEN THERE'S AMPLE REASON TO SAY PEOPLE ARE WALKING THAT WAY, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE PROVIDED A BETTER ROUTE FOR THEM, THEN WE SHOULD STRIPE IT AND SIGN IT.
WELL, IF WE GO BACK SIX MONTHS AFTERWARDS AND FIND THAT 95% OF THE PEOPLE ARE TAKING THE BROWN ROUTE AND THEY'RE NOT GOING ALONG THAT LONG LEG, THEN THAT WOULD BE A REASON TO SAY WE DON'T NEED IT.
THAT WOULD BE A, A, A SUGGESTION THAT I WOULD MAKE TO THE BOARD.
MICHAEL, DO YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING ON THIS? YEAH, I WANNA SAY SOMETHING
OKAY, MONA THEN, THEN MICHAEL, SORRY, FINISH YOUR STATEMENT, BUT MONA, WE JUST ASKED YOU TO PUT YOUR VIDEO ON PLEASE.
I CAN ASK YOU TO I CAN'T, I CAN ASK YOU TO RESTART IT.
IT JUST STAYED ON YOU FOR WHATEVER REASON.
UM, THE VIDEO STAYS ON THE LAST SPEAKER, SO THAT'S WHY I TOOK YOU OFF FAR RIGHT, BROWN THAT, THERE YOU GO.
I'M TRYING AND NO, THAT'S GOOD.
SO THERE'S ONE, UM, PARKING THING THAT DOESN'T HAVE A CROSS HATCH NOW IN BETWEEN THE ONE WE'RE PUTTING UP AND THE ONE THAT HAS, THERE'S NO A D A RAMP THERE THOUGH, I BELIEVE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS CORRECT.
DO YOU? NO, SEE, THERE'S NO CHANGE THERE, MAR THAT'S WHAT'S THE EXISTING, THIS IS WHERE THE HANDICAP WRAPS ARE, CORRECT? YEAH, THAT IS CORRECT.
SO ARE LOCATED AT THE LOCATIONS OF THE EXISTING HANDICAP RAMPS, BUT THE NEXT DIAL IS NOT ONE.
SO THEY'RE ONLY AT HANDICAP BRANDS LIKE THIS ONE WOULD BE.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY, YOU ONLY PUT THEM WHERE THERE'S HANDICAP RAMPS, THE STRIKE.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE.
I MEAN THE, THE INTENT OF CROSSWALKS IS TWOFOLD.
IT'S TO ENCOURAGE PEDESTRIANS TO CROSS AT A SINGLE LOCATION AS OPPOSED TO WILLY-NILLY EVERYWHERE.
AND TWO, TO ALERT THE MOTORISTS VISUALLY TO CUE THEM THAT THIS IS A PLACE WHERE YOU SHOULD REALLY EXPECT PEDESTRIANS.
AND SO IF THIS IS A LOCATION THAT THE EXIT FROM PIZZA HUTT, THAT WE THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEDESTRIANS AND PARTICULARLY WE HAVE A, A CURB RAMP, WHICH IS WE'RE
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DIRECTING THOSE WITH, UM, WITH, UH, SITE IMPAIRMENTS TO CROSS THERE.MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD HAVE A CROSSWALK THERE, WHICH IS WHAT I HAD RECOMMENDED A MONTH AGO TO THAT CROSSWALK BE PERPENDICULAR THEN TO THE, I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON.
YOU OKAY? YEAH, I GUESS, UM, IT JUST SEEMS SILLY.
MICHAEL DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? NO, MICHAEL DOESN'T, MY, MY FEELING ABOUT THIS IS THE ONE THING YOU COULD DO IS JUST PUT UP A SIGN BEST ROUTE TO PANERA AT THE BROWN AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE BROWN ONE.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE MAY OR MAY NOT USE IT.
UH, MICHAEL POINTED OUT THAT PEOPLE DON'T USE CROSSWALKS THERE AT ALL.
I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS THEY DON'T IS 'CAUSE YOU HAVE THAT CROSSHATCH FOR, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, 80, 60, 80 FEET IN FRONT OF SHOPRITE.
SO THEY THINK THAT'S ALL A CROSSWALK.
THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM NOW.
NOT SOMETHING WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA DEAL WITH TONIGHT, BUT SOMETHING THEY SHOULD LOOK AT.
I GO THERE, IT'S TOTALLY CONFUSING AND PEOPLE ARE GOING IN ALL DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS THERE AND IT'S VERY DANGEROUS.
MORE PEOPLE DON'T GET HURT THERE.
AND I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN INJURIES THERE.
UM, SHOULD WE JUST TAKE A, A STRAW POLL AS WHETHER OR NOT WE LEAVE THAT ONE? I THINK WE ALL AGREE.
I BROWN'S GREAT PER, I THINK IT'S A BIG IMPROVEMENT GUYS.
I THINK THAT WE NEED THE LITTLE YELLOW ONE THAT GOES OVER TO THE PARKING LOT FROM PIZZA HUTT, JUST THAT SOUTHERN LEG.
HOW MANY AGREE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE IT? I KNOW WALTER DOES.
I RIGHT? WALTER, YOU, YOU THINK WE SHOULD MAINTAIN THAT? YES.
ANYBODY ELSE AGREE WITH THAT? OKAY.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND WE TAKE THAT OUT.
OF THAT OR, OR THE O OTHER OPTION IS LEAVE IT FOR SIX MONTHS, SEE IF PEOPLE ARE USING IT AND THEN TAKE IT OUT.
HOW ABOUT THAT? THAT'S WHAT HE SAID THE OPPOSITE.
SO LEAVE IT THERE AND THEN TAKE IT OUT.
IF IT'S NOT BEING NEWS LATER, IF IT'S, YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT HURTS ANYTHING.
AND INSTEAD IT ADDS CONFUSION POTENTIALLY.
BUT IF IT'S GONNA MAKE IT SAFER FOR PEOPLE, OKAY, THEN I THINK THEN AM I HEARING THAT WE LEAVE IT THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER.
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BIG ISSUE.
AND DID YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND THAT IT BE REVISITED, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS POST, YOU KNOW, THIS, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING BEING, UM, YEAH, I THINK YOU SHOULD LOOK AT IT AND SEE AND DO A SURVEY SIX MONTHS FROM NOW JUST TO SEE IF PEOPLE ARE USING IT, SEE IF IT'S, OR ALSO SEE IF IT'S CAUSING A PROBLEM.
'CAUSE I DO THINK YOU'RE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO CROSS, UH, ROWS OF TRAFFIC WHEN YOU DON'T NEED THEM TO RIGHT.
ONCE THE SPACES ARE FILLED AND OCCUPIED YEAH.
AND THE OUTDOOR SEATING IS FUNCTIONING AND IF PEOPLE ARE COMING IN FOR LUNCH AND THEY'RE IN A HURRY AND TRUTH OF MATTER, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA GO DIAGONALLY ACROSS SIX MONTHS FROM C OF O OR
YEAH, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD ALSO SAY THIS, I MEAN, IF THE A APPLICANT'S GONNA REVIEW IT AFTER SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR, I WOULD LEAVE IT UP TO THE APPLICANT TO TAKE IT OUT OR LEAVE IT AT THEIR OWN DISCRETION WITHOUT COMING BACK TO THE BOARD.
WE, WE, WE, WE, WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE COMING BACK TO THE BOARD COULD LEAD TO A SEVERAL MONTH REVIEW AGAIN.
AND, AND, UM, OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE IF WE'RE GOING TO RETRIP THIS AND PUT IT IN OKAY.
THEN WE'D ABLE TO RELY ON, I THINK YOU'VE GOT AGREEMENT.
I JUST WOULD BE INTER, NOT THAT THEY WOULD COME BEFORE THE BOARD, BUT JUST INTERESTED TO SEE THEIR FINDINGS.
SUBMIT THE FINDINGS OF THE SURVEY.
IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU, FOR OUR OWN EDIFICATION AND WHO DO WE SUBMIT TO THAT? WHAT, WHAT PROCESS ARE YOU ASKING US? IT'S NOT A PROCESS WE JUST SUBMIT, SAY WE'VE GOT THESE FINDINGS, SUBMIT 'EM TO, TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND, AND, AND WOULD THE BOARD SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO HERE ARE THE FINDINGS AND THIS IS THE POSITION THAT WE'RE GONNA TAKE.
BUT WE PERIOD, BUT WE, IT'S NOT AN, IT'S ONLY F Y I IT WE WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK WITH YOUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO SUBMIT A REPORT.
WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY PREFER NOT TO, NOT TO BE IN A POSITION OF NEEDING TO APPLY TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
WE'RE NOT A WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO COME BACK, MR. NO, THANK YOU.
BUT IT'S HELPFUL
I CAN TELL
IF YOU COULD ZOOM OUT ON, ON, ON THE PLAN.
UM, IS, AND MR. CANNING, MAYBE YOU CAN, OH, UH, THE ENTRANCE, THE NORTH ENTRANCE TO THE PARKING LOT FROM AUDLEY ROAD, UM, THE ONE WHERE YOU HAVE TO MAKE THAT TIGHT TURN TO GO UP THE RAMP TO, TO THE ROOF, IS THAT TURNING RATE IS REASONABLE FOR A CAR? CAR? YES, IT IS.
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AIELLO AND MR. PETROS OFFICE.IT WAS THAT, THAT WAS A QUESTION.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION ON THE PLAN ITSELF IF WE GO TO THE SIGNAGE ISSUES? NO, AND I THINK THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB ADDRESSING THE COMMENTS AND I LIKE THE CROSSWALK ACROSS LEY ROAD AND, AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
I THINK YOU GUYS ARE VERY RESPONSIVE ON THAT AND WE APPRECIATE IT.
THE LAST ISSUE OF MR. NALL AND, AND, AND TEAM ACTUALLY CAME IS SOMETHING THAT WE THOUGHT AND IT WAS CONFIRMED IN THE GREAT STUDY THAT YOU PRESENTED.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S VERY INTERESTING WAS ONLY 3% OF THE PEOPLE USING THAT TURNOUT TURN IN, UH, FROM, UH,
UM, AND ABOUT HALF OF, UH, HALF OUR, IT SEEMS TO BE EFFECTIVE LEAVING, I WISH IT WAS MORE EFFECTIVE, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE EFFECTIVE LEAVING, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.
BECAUSE AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BOUGHT HAS BOTHERED THIS BOARD FOR YEARS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR SHOPPING CENTER IS THE WAY THE TRAFFIC FLOW WENT WAS DRIVING EVERYTHING IN FRONT OF SHOP.
RIGHT? AND IT'S VERY, VERY DANGEROUS.
IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING SOME SIGNAGE UP BOTH AT WHERE THE BANK ENTRANCE IS AND AT THAT SLIP LANE TO DIRECT PEOPLE, LIKE IF THEY'RE GOING TO PANERA OR, OR THAT COMPLEX, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE WAY TO DO IT, TO TRY TO DRAW TRAFFIC AWAY FROM, FROM SHOPRITE AND GET THAT 3% UP TO 30%.
OR THE OTHER THING I NOTICED, 'CAUSE I DO THIS ALL THE TIME, I COME OFF OF ALEY ROAD, TAKE A LEFT, I ALWAYS MISS THE BANK ENTRANCE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, ALL IT SAYS IS ENTRANCE.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT A A, A SIGN SIGN UP THERE THAT ACTUALLY COULD EVEN PROMOTE THE, UH, BUSINESSES IN THE OTHER BUILDING? AND MR. NOLL, I THINK YOU AND I WENT OVER THAT AND AND YOU PREPARED SOMETHING TO SHOW THE BOARD.
IF, IF WE COULD, WE'D LIKE TO WALK THROUGH THAT.
THERE WERE, I THINK THERE WERE FOUR OR FIVE COMMENTS THAT UH, SURE.
MR. SMITH, YOU SHARED, YOU SHARED WITH ME AND, AND, UM, J M C AND, AND OUR TEAM REVIEWED THEM.
AND IF WE COULD, WE'D LIKE TO WALK THROUGH THEM BECAUSE, UM, WE WANNA BE RESPONSIVE TO PLANNING BOARD CONCERNS.
SO, UH, THIS IS THE, UH, NORTHERNMOST ENTRY DRIVE BEFORE YOU GET TO ARLEY ROAD.
UH, AND THERE ARE TWO SIGNS ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS DRIVEWAY.
UH, WHEN YOU'RE GOING SOUTHBOUND ON CENTRAL PARK AVENUE, THERE'S THE ENTRANCE, UH, SIGN THAT THE CHAIRMAN REFERENCED.
AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE GOING NORTHBOUND IN THE PARKING LOT, THERE'S UH, A SIMILAR SIGN DIRECTING YOU TO THIS, UH, TO THIS EXIT.
SO IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A MORE VERBOSE SIGN, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS RIGHT ON THE STATE ROADWAY, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO, UH, DEAL D O T TO MAKE SURE IT MEETS THEIR APPROVAL.
UH, TYPICALLY THEY TRY TO KEEP SIGNS AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE, BUT WE ARE OPEN TO WORKING WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE TRANS TRAFFIC CONSULTANT TO TRY TO FIND THE RIGHT SIGN WITH THE RIGHT WORDING IN THIS LOCATION TO HELP ACHIEVE GOALS.
WELL, THE REASON I SAY, THE REASON I SAY IT, I MEAN, THE ENTRANCE SIGN IS THERE, BUT THE FIRST THING YOU SEE, AND BELIEVE ME, I GO BY THERE 20 TIMES A WEEK.
THE FIRST THING YOU SEE IS THE BANK.
SO WHEN YOU SEE THAT ENTRANCE SIGN, YOU THINK IT'S AN ENTRANCE TO THE BANK.
YOU DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY AN ENTRANCE TO THE ENTIRE PARKING LOT.
THAT'S WHY I AM SAYING, UH, DO SOMETHING SIMPLE, AS SIMPLE AS YOU CAN, BUT SOMETHING THAT GIVES PEOPLE AN INDICATION THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY USE THAT ENTRANCE.
I THINK EVEN IF IT'S SAID JUST SHOPPING CENTER ENTRANCE, IT WOULD BE MORE DIRECTIVE THAN RIGHT.
HAVING IT JUST OPEN-ENDED ENTRANCE.
YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN WORK THAT WITH, UM, NEW YORK STATE D O T AND COOPERATION WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND TRAFFIC ENGINEER, WE'RE, WE'RE CERTAINLY MORE THAN WILLING TO COOPERATE AND COORDINATE.
AND WHAT, WHAT ABOUT THE, I GUESS NEXT ONE'S, THE, THE THE SLIP LANE YOU WERE GOING TO ADDRESS? UH, MR. AIELLO, COULD YOU SCROLL TO THE NEXT ONE IF YOU WOULD? SURE.
UH, SO, WELL ACTUALLY THE NEXT ONE THAT WE HAVE HERE HAS TO DO WITH, UH, EXITING TRAFFIC.
UH, SO THIS IS ONE DRIVEWAY FURTHER SOUTH ON CENTRAL PARK AVENUE, AND THIS IS WHERE YOU EXIT TO THE TRAFFIC LIGHT.
UH, THERE ARE EXISTING SIGNS HERE, WHICH ARE SHOWN IN THIS PHOTOGRAPH, DIRECTING PEOPLE TO THE EXIT.
UH, WE COULD LOOK AT DOING SOME
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ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE IN THE PARKING LOTS TO FURTHER DIRECT PEOPLE, UH, TO THESE SLIP PLANES THAT ARE BEING, THAT BRING YOU TO THE EXIT.UH, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZING THAT YES, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE ONE THAT GETS THE 50% USAGE.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, MARK 40, SO 40 IS WHAT HE SAID.
IT'S AN AVERAGE OF 40 WITH A HIGH OF 50, RIGHT.
SO WE CAN CERTAINLY, UH, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE TRANS TOWN TRAFFIC CONSULTANT TO JUST AGAIN, MAKE IT CLEAR, TRY TO PROMOTE THAT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT EXIT SIGN IS IN RIGHT IN FRONT OF SHOPRITE.
I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT ONE.
'CAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY IN FRONT OF SHOPRITE.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO, WHAT I WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IS PEOPLE HALFWAY DOWN THE, THE, THE AISLE DON'T GO BACK IN FRONT OF SHOPRITE TO DO THAT WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, TO TRY TO DRAW AT LEAST SOME TRAFFIC AWAY FROM THE FURNACE SHOPRITE, WHICH WE KNOW ANYBODY WHO SHOPS THERE KNOWS IT'S VERY DANGEROUS PLACE.
SO WHAT WE, WHAT WE WERE THINKING ABOUT MR. CHAIRMAN WAS, UM, WORKING WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND TRAFFIC ENGINEER AGAIN TO ADDRESS, UH, APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS, PERHAPS, UH, HEIGHTS OF THE SIGN AS WELL, SO THAT THERE'D BE SURE VISIBLE ELSEWHERE IN THE PARKING LOT AND, AND TEXT WHETHER IT SHOULD SAY EXIT TO CENTRAL AVENUE, CENTRAL PARK AVENUE OR, OR WHAT IT SHOULD SAY.
AND WE WE'RE, WE'RE FINE DOING THAT, THAT WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE, MR. NO.
IT'S NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO THIS PROJECT, BUT THERE WILL BE.
AND I WILL LOOK, WE UNDERSTAND HOW DIFFICULT THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY IS.
IT'S NARROW WHEN IT GETS NARROW OR AS IT GOES SOUTH.
SO WE APPRECIATE ANY HELP WE CAN GET TO DRAW THEM AWAY.
THAT, THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE IDEA IS.
GIVEN THAT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY ON THE BOARD BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? THAT'S OKAY.
WE'RE JUST GONNA TAKE DOWN THE SHARE SCREEN.
I'D LIKE TO SEE OUR FRIENDS OUT OF OUR OUT OF TOWN FRIENDS IF WE CAN DO THAT.
CAN WE DO THAT? IT'S LIKE WE GET ONE AT A TIME.
WE CAN'T DO THE PARTY VERSION, THE NON-SPEAKER VERSION SO WE CAN SEE EVERYBODY.
UM, SO I HAVE THAT ON MY SCREEN, BUT UH, THERE I CAN SEE, I CAN SEE, I CAN SEE MONA AND LITTLE MONA.
NEITHER HAVE THEIR HANDS UP, BUT, UM, I CAN SEE THEM.
SO AT THIS POINT WE HAVE A VOTE ON A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
UM, ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THIS PROJECT? HOW DO WE INCORPORATE THE DISCUSSION THAT WE ASK? I THINK WE INCORPORATE THE DISCUSSION COMPLETELY.
SO MR. DELL, WHAT WE'D LIKE, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS MAKING A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD WITH THE PROVISO, YOU DO WHAT YOU AGREED TO, WHICH WAS WORK WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ON THE SIGNAGE AND THE OTHER THINGS WE DISCUSSED IN THE LAST HALF AN HOUR.
THAT, THAT'S ACCEPTABLE AND APPRECIATE.
CAN I HAVE THAT MOTION? THEN I MOVE THAT WE MAKE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION WITH ALL THE CAVEATS YOU MENTIONED.
LOOK AT MR. CHAIRMAN I THE CROSSWALK MODIFICATIONS AND THE SIGNAGE IMPROVEMENTS.
WORKING WITH STAFF, WITH THE CONSULTANT.
AND ON THAT ONE SIGN WITH D O T AND ALSO PUT IN, PUT IN THERE THAT THE AGREEMENT ABOUT JUST GET DOING THAT LITTLE CROSSWALK STUDY AND JUST SENDING A REPORT.
STAFF FEELS LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH TO OKAY.
DO DO I HAVE A SECOND? I A SECOND.
WAS THAT WAS LESLIE, RIGHT? IT WAS LESLIE WALTER.
UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE YOU ARE IN A PLACE UNDISCLOSED, YOU CAN'T SECOND THIS EVENING.
BUT THANK YOU FOR, FOR THE, THE THOUGHT WAIT MINUTE.
WHAT YOU MEAN? ARE YOU SERIOUS? YOU CAN'T VOTE.
YOU CAN'T SECOND YOU'RE NOTHING.
YOU'RE BOTH VERY IMPORTANT TO US.
I EXPLAINED THAT AT THE TOP OF THE MEETING.
I I WASN'T, I WASN'T, UH, I WAS LATE.
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO ME? SO I'LL BE INFORMED ESSENTIALLY THE REST OF THE MEETING, ESSENTIALLY THE, THE, THERE IS A LAW AND PROCESS THAT NEEDS TO BE, BE MORE PRECISE.
THAT WILL ALLOW PEOPLE WHO HAVE LEGITIMATE EXCUSES TO HAVE TO BE ON ZOOM, TO BE ON ZOOM A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE TIME.
HOWEVER, THAT LAW IS NOT IN PLACE AT THE MOMENT AND I, I'M JUST TRYING TO BE VERY CONSERVATIVE AND GO BY THE STATE LAW RIGHT NOW.
YOU'RE JUST NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE.
YOU JUST, WE WANTED YOU TO PARTICIPATE TONIGHT.
WE WANTED YOUR OPINION AND EVERYTHING AND, BUT IN TERMS OF THE OFFICIAL VOTE, IT HAS TO BE THE, THE PHYSICAL
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PEOPLE.JUST HOPEFULLY JUST FOR TONIGHT, HOPEFULLY THAT'LL BE FIXED.
CALL ME AND I'LL EXPLAIN, I'LL EXPLAIN THE WHOLE THING TO YOU.
SO WE DO HAVE A, A MOTION AND A SECOND.
CAN I HAVE FROM THE, FROM THE STRAW PANEL IN THE BACKGROUND? YOU IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION, WALTER? OH YEAH.
BUT IF I CAN'T VOTE, CAN I? AM I LEGALLY, CAN I MAKE A SECOND VOTE? YES, YOU CAN MAKE ANY STATEMENT.
ALL YOU CAN DO IS COMMENT TONIGHT.
THAT, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT.
THAT'S THE ONLY, SO I, SO I CAN'T SECOND, SO, OKAY.
NOW IT'S ALREADY BEEN SECONDED AND VOTED ON.
I JUST WONDERED IF YOU HAD ANY COMMENTS.
I HOPE YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE, FOR THE ROUGHNESS OF THIS, BUT WE'RE KIND OF IN THE TRANSITION BACK TO TRYING TO LEARN HOW TO DO A HYBRID, WHICH STATE LAW DID, DOES NOT ACCOMMODATE VERY WELL.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIX THAT YET.
LOCAL LAW WILL FIX THAT SHORTLY, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN FIXED YET.
UH, THAT'S ALL WE NEEDED TO DO IN THIS PROJECT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, MR. NELL.
TALK FOR ALL THE HARD WORK THAT YOU AND YOUR FOLKS HAVE PUT IN.
UH, I HOPE WHAT YOU'RE DO IN THERE IS EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL.
A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF GREENBURG AND OBVIOUSLY THE EDGEMONT SCHOOL DISTRICT AS WELL.
SO, UH, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU AGAIN, UH, AFTER COMING BACK FROM THE TOPIC.
UM, NOW I, WE WILL GO IN A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, ARE THEY READY FOR PUBLIC HEARING? YES.
IS UH, BARBARA THERE? I DIDN'T SEE BARBARA.
IT SAYS THAT THE WHOLE, OKAY, SO LET ME, WON'T LEMME LET ME SEND THAT TO YOU.
SO AS LONG AS SHE'S TAKING NOTES.
UH, SO WE'RE GONNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
DO YOU WANT TO CALL THE ROLE AGAIN, AARON? YES.
MS. DAVIS WILL BE A FULL VOTING MEMBER THIS EVENING.
WE DO HAVE MR. SIMON AND MS. FREYTAG ON ZOOM.
THEY WILL BE NON-VOTING MEMBERS THIS EVENING.
AND THEN JUST A NOTE FOR THE RECORD, MR. DESAI AND MR. SNAGS ARE NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
UM, WE HAVE 1, 2, 3 THINGS ON THE PUBLIC ON THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.
FIRST ONE IS CASE PB 2215, WHICH IS GOLF GOLFS ON, GOLFS ON, I THINK IT'S SOCIAL ZONE, PROBABLY GOLF ZONE, ZONE ZONE, ZONE GOLF ZONE SOCIAL, L L C AT 6 91 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
THIS IS, UM, A REPURPOSING OF AN EXISTING BUILDING, UH, FOR, UH, OPENING OF A RECREATION OF FACILITY WITH GOLF.
AND, UM, AARON, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD BEFORE WE GO? OH, WE'RE HERE FOR A SPECIAL, FOR A SPECIAL PER PERMIT.
THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC HEARING IS TONIGHT.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, AARON, BEFORE WE GO ON? JUST TO NOTE AND REITERATE, IT'S A, UH, YES, IT'S A SPECIAL PLANNING BOARD, SPECIAL PERMIT IN CONNECTION WITH A FULLY ENCLOSED COMMERCIAL RECREATION FACILITY AS DEFINED IN THE CODE.
UM, IT'S INVOLVING THE PROPOSED REUSE OF A VACANT SINGLE STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDING AS AN INDOOR GOLF SIMULATOR FACILITY WITH ACCESSORY EATING AND DRINKING PROJECT.
WAS LAST DISCUSSED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AT ITS SEPTEMBER 7TH WORK SESSION WHERE THE BOARD ASKED QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT, WHICH IT HAS SINCE RESPONDED TO AS PART OF AN UPDATED SUBMISSION, WHICH WAS PROVIDED IN THE BOARD'S PACKAGES AND POSTED ONLINE.
I WILL NOW TURN THINGS OVER TO THE PROJECT TEAM TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DETAILS ON THE RESUBMISSION AND TO PRESENT THE PROJECT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC.
BEFORE YOU DO, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I I DO WANNA MENTION TO THE PUBLIC, WE HAVE SEEN THIS IN WORK SESSION BEFORE, SO THINGS THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW HAVE ALREADY.
SOME THINGS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.
BUT WHAT I'M GONNA ASK THE APPLICANT TO DO IF THEY DON'T DO IT DIRECTLY, IS WE WILL ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AGAIN TONIGHT SO THAT YOU KNOW WHAT THE ANSWERS ARE.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO UNDERSTAND THE ANSWERS, UH, TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
AND THERE'S SOME THAT MAY NOT BE, HAVE NOT BEEN ANSWERED.
'CAUSE WE DID GET A PIECE OF CORRESPONDENCE THAT, UM, WE WILL ADDRESS TONIGHT, I PROMISE, BEFORE THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
WITH THAT I MIGHT BE, UM, APPLICANT TO COME UP AND PRESENT THE PROJECT, PLEASE.
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YES.WE HAVE MS. COLE AND MR. FOWLER.
UH, REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME TONIGHT, UH, TO EVERYBODY THERE.
I REPRESENT, UH, INDIGO GOLF TROON, UH, WHICH IS THE MANAGING PARTNER, UH, FOR THE GOLF ZONE SOCIAL PROJECT, UH, THAT WE ARE VERY HOPEFUL ABOUT, UH, BRINGING TO CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
UM, GOLF ZONE SOCIAL IS A BUSINESS MODEL, UH, BUILT AROUND SIMULATED GOLF.
UH, IT IS, IT IS FOCUSED ON NOT ONLY HIGH-END TECHNOLOGY, UH, WHICH IS DEVELOPED BY THE GOLF ZONE COMPANY, WHICH IS A KOREAN BASED COMPANY.
UM, BUT IT IS WHAT WE'RE BRINGING TO, OR WHAT WE HOPE TO BRING TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS, IS MUCH MORE OF THE SOCIAL ASPECT OF THAT WHICH IS CENTERED AROUND FOOD AND BEVERAGE ENTERTAINMENT.
A PLACE FOR FRIENDS AND FAMILY TO COME AND RECREATE, UH, ENJOY PLAYING GAMES, UH, IN, IN A, IN A SPACE THAT WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO, UH, A RESTAURANT OR A CASUAL DINING FACILITY.
UM, AND WE HAVE CHOSEN, UH, 6 91, UH, CENTRAL PARK AVENUE AS, AS A GREAT SPACE, UM, TO, TO BE ABLE TO, UH, BRING SOME ENTERTAINMENT AND, UM, SOME RECREATION TO, TO THE CONSTITUENTS OF, OF THE TAP.
UH, WE CAN, WE CAN DO THIS A NUMBER OF WAYS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS DIRECTLY THAT ARE PART AND PARCEL TO THE CONVERSATION.
UM, WE HAVE, I'D LIKE YOU TO SHOW THE, I THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE PLAN SO THEY KNOW WHAT'S GONNA GO.
I, I, I THINK IF, IF THE PLAN COULD BE DISPLAYED AND IF YOU NEED ME TO DISPLAY IT.
IT SOUNDS, LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE IT.
AND THEN JUST KINDA WALK, UH, BOTH THE BOARD AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THROUGH THE PLAN.
BOTH I SEE THE INTERIOR RENDERING HERE, BUT ALSO THE EXTERIOR SITE PLAN.
AND, UM, YOU HAD SUBMITTED TWO OPTIONS AND I SEE THEM ON, ON THE TABS.
SO I ASK YOU TO GO THROUGH THOSE AS WELL AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION.
WHY DON'T, YOU CAN SHOW THE INTERIOR FIRST AND LET, THEN LET'S END UP ON THIS, ON THE SITE PLAN, I THINK.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS JUST AN INTERIOR WALK THROUGH THE SPACE.
YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BAR AREA.
UM, THE FOCAL POINT IS, UH, AMONGST THE LOUNGE FURNITURE BEHIND THE BAR, THERE ARE THE GOLF SIMULATOR BAYS, UH, OF WHICH THERE WILL BE 16 THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SPACE.
UH, THERE'S A RAISED PLATFORM WITH A, A STRIKE MAT, SWING PLATE THAT YOU SEE DOWN THERE.
AND THE, THE GREEN RECTANGLE, UM, YOU HIT THE BALL, THE BALL COMES UP, IT'S AN AUTO T SET UP.
THE, THE SWING PLATE ITSELF IS HYDRAULICALLY DRIVEN.
UM, SO IT MIRRORS, UH, THE LIE THAT, THAT YOU HAVE ON THE, ON THE GOLF HOLE.
UM, SO IF YOUR, IF YOUR BALL'S ABOVE YOUR FEET, YOU WILL FEEL THE SWING PLATE MOVE SO THAT THE BALL IS ACTUALLY ABOVE YOUR FEET.
UM, THE, THE, THE BOOTHS THEMSELVES ARE FULLY PADDED.
YOU ARE HITTING AT WHAT I WOULD, YOU KNOW, SAY WOULD BE LIKE A MOVIE SCREEN WHERE THE IMAGE IS PROJECTED, UH, FROM BEHIND YOU ONTO THE SCREEN.
AND THE TECHNOLOGY IS SUB-IN ACCURATE.
SO EVERY GOLF COURSE THAT IS MAPPED, UH, THROUGHOUT, THROUGHOUT THE, UH, THE CATALOG IS, IS, IS ACTUALLY AS IF YOU ARE WALKING ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
IT'S, IT'S VERY, VERY IMPRESSIVE TECHNOLOGY.
AND WE THINK THAT, UH, WE'VE GOT A, A LOCATION IN CHELSEA PIERCE, CONNECTICUT, UH, IN THE CITY OF STANFORD THAT HAS BEEN A VERY SUCCESSFUL, UH, VENTURE.
AND WE ARE LOOKING TO IMPROVE UPON THE SOCIAL NATURE OF, OF THE SPACE.
UM, AND THE TOWN, UH, YOU CAN SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT, AMY, TO THE NEXT, IS THAT THESE ARE THE ONLY TWO INTERIOR SLIDES WE HAVE.
SO WE MIGHT WANT TO GO TO THE, TO THE SITE PLAN.
SO THE SITE, THE SITE IS ORIENTED ON CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
UM, THE NORTH SIDE IS THE, THE ENTRY POINT TO OUR, TO OUR PARKING LOT, UM, TO THE EAST.
UH, SITTING UP ON TOP OF THE HILL IS THE 24 HOUR FITNESS CLUB.
SO THAT WOULD BE ON THE RIGHT SIDE, LOWER RIGHT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN.
UM, SO TRAFFIC PATTERNS, UH, THE WAY THE, THE WAY THIS IS LAID OUT, UM, IS EVERYBODY ENTERS FROM THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT AND THEY CIRCULATE THE BUILDING, UH, IN A COUNTERCLOCKWISE FASHION AND THEN EXIT BACK OUT ONTO CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
AND WHERE'S THE ENTRANCE TO THE BUILDING GOING TO BE? THE ENTRANCE TO THE BUILDING IS DEAD
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CENTER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, OF THE STORE.SO THEY HAVE TO WALK ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PARKING LOT TO GET TO THE ENTRANCE.
THERE IS A, THERE IS A SIDEWALK, UM, OUT IN FRONT OF THE SPACE AND WE WOULD BE PUTTING WALKWAYS, UH, AND RESTRICTING PARKING ALONG THE BUILDING WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE, UH, I GUESS THE, SO WESTERLY OKAY.
AS IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR OPTION.
TO JUMP IN REAL QUICK, UH, UPON THAT NOTE IS CURRENTLY THERE, THERE ARE EXISTING PARKING SPACES ALONG THE SIDE AS WELL AS ALONG THE PATHWAY HERE.
UM, IN DOING SO, CURRENTLY THERE'S 86 EXISTING PARKING SPACES.
UM, IN OUR PROPOSED SITE PLAN, WE ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES IN ORDER TO PROVIDE, UM, A D A ACCESS AISLES AS WELL AS REMOVING SOME OF THESE PARALLEL SPOTS ALONG THE BUILDING TO ALLOW, AND WE CAN RETRIP IT TO ALLOW A, UM, LIKE A WALKWAY CORRIDOR TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE FROM THE REAR.
AND ALSO THAT WILL HELP THE TRAFFIC TO CONTINUALLY MOVE AROUND THE, UM, THE SITE WITHOUT PEOPLE TRYING TO PARALLEL PARK IN ADDITION TO PULL IN SPOTS.
AND I'M SORRY, HOW MANY WERE PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED? UM, EX THERE'S 86 EXISTING AND WE ARE PROPOSING 74, WHICH IS THE REQUIRED 12.
SO 12 LESS THAN WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY, BUT THE 74 MEETS THE REQUIREMENT OF 74 CORRECT.
PURSUANT TO THE CODE? CORRECT.
NOW THIS IS ONE OF THE OPTIONS, IS THAT RIGHT? 'CAUSE I SEE THAT YOU HAVE SOME PARKING ALONG THE SOUTH FACE OF THE BUILDING, BUT THERE'S A SEPARATE, CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH, I THINK YOU MADE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO, AND, AND YOU TOUCHED ON IT, THE, UH, HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY PARKING SPACES.
I THINK ALSO, UM, THIS PLAN AS WELL AS LAYOUT B SHOWED DIFFERENT LOCATIONS FOR THE, UM, GARBAGE FOR THE REFUSE AREAS.
SO IF YOU COULD WALK US THROUGH THAT, THOSE AS WELL.
SO, SO IN THIS PLAN, AND AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE I'LL ASK THE QUESTION.
UM, IS THERE A, IS THERE A TIME WHEN TRASH, A COMMERCIAL TRASH IS SUPPOSED TO BE PICKED UP? ARE THERE SET HOURS FOR THAT TO OCCUR SO THAT THAT'S REVIEWED WITH OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE? I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION ON ME.
UM, I THINK SPEAKING FOR THE BOARD, TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, APPLICANTS HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW, IN THE MORNING HOURS, UM, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE ANYTHING OVERNIGHT.
YOU KNOW, SO, UH, BUT IN TERMS OF ANY RESTRICTIONS, YOU WOULD WANNA DISCUSS THAT WITH OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE.
BUT WE HAVE DONE THAT AS A CON CONDITION OF APPROVAL BEFORE.
SO THE BOARD CAN SET HOURS, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF CONDITIONS WE DISCUSS THAT.
I MEAN, WELL, CLEARLY YOU DO HAVE NEIGHBORS BEHIND YOU.
THAT WE DO HAVE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS.
YOU DON'T WANT, YOU DON'T WANT THE GARBAGE BEING PICKED UP AT FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THE NEIGHBORS ARE EARLY RISERS, BUT, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT THEY MAY BE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORS THAT AREN'T EARLY RISERS.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO BE, YOU WANNA BE RESPECTFUL OF THE PEOPLE BEHIND, BEHIND YOU IN TERMS OF, OF DISRUPTING THEM FROM JUST FROM GARBAGE PICKUP, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO, SO WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IN BOTH THESE SCENARIOS IS EASE OF ACCESS FOR A COMMERCIAL GARBAGE TRUCK TO GET IN AND OUT OF OUR PARKING LOT WITH AS FEW TURNS AS POSSIBLE.
UM, MITIGATING NOT ONLY THE NOISE OF, OF ACTUALLY PICKING UP THE TRASH, BUT BUT THE REVERSE BEEPER, UM, YEAH.
THAT, THAT YOU'RE GONNA HEAR FIRST THING IN THE MORNING POTENTIALLY.
SO OUR, OUR HOURS WILL NOT BE SO RESTRICTIVE THAT WE WILL, WE WILL NEED THE, THE TRASH TO BE PICKED UP, YOU KNOW, EARLY, EARLY IN THE MORNING.
IT'LL PROBABLY BE MORE LIKE AN 8:00 AM PICKUP, UM, BECAUSE OUR HOURS OF OPERATION WILL MORE THAN LIKELY START AFTER THAT.
AND, AND HOW MANY DAYS PER WEEK WERE YOU ENVISIONING? I GUESS THAT'S GONNA BE BASED UPON, UH, THE SIZE OF THE DUMPSTERS THAT WE, THAT WE SECURE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE AMOUNT OF, OF ACTUAL WASTE GENERATED, I WOULD THINK TWICE A WEEK FOR THE TRASH AND ONCE A WEEK FOR THE RECYCLE, POTENTIALLY ONCE EVERY TWO WEEKS FOR THE RECYCLE, DEPENDING.
IS THERE MUCH WET? DO DO, DOES YOUR FACILITY LIKE IN STANFORD GENERATE MUCH WET GARBAGE?
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UH, NO.OUR FOOD, OUR, OUR, OUR MENU SELECTION IS, UM, YOU KNOW, EASY TO EAT, UH, EASY TO PREPARE.
UH, WE ARE NOT CREATING, THERE'S, THERE'S NO GAS COOKING, UM, THERE'S NO EXHAUST.
IT'S ALL VENTLESS COOKING EQUIPMENT.
UM, IT'S, AND, AND THE FOOD IS, IS FAIRLY, UM, FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD PUB FAIR.
WE DON'T WANT IT PERCOLATING IN A GARBAGE DUMP FOR ANY NO, WE, WE COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND WE'RE, IT'S, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE A SEAFOOD HOUSE EITHER.
WHERE, WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE DISCARDING CRAB SHELLS AND SHRIMP, SHRIMP BODIES EVERY, EVERY, EVERY DAY.
SO THIS OPTION SHOWS THE, THE DUMPSTERS AGAINST THE BACK, UH, FENCE THERE.
WHAT'S THE OTHER OPTION? WHICH, WHICH, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS, IS THE CLOSEST, IT'S THE CLOSEST TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY LINE.
AND, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE THE, WHAT I'D CALL THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE FOR THE, FOR THE PICKUP CONTRACTOR, UM, TO COME AROUND THE BACK OF THE BUILDING DUMP AND THEN EASILY PULL OUT, UH, WITHOUT, WITHOUT MUCH BACK.
WELL, LEMME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
IT'S A CER IT'S A CUL, IS IT CUL-DE-SAC BEHIND? YES.
WHAT IS ON THE NORTH SIDE? I SEE THE TWO HOUSES ON THE SOUTH SIDE ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
WHAT'S A, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE, IF YOU CAN PAN DOWN, AMY, THERE'S, THERE'S ONE RESIDENCE, UH, ON THE VERY NORTHERN TIP OF THE CUL-DE-SAC.
IS THERE ANOTHER RESIDENCE THERE? YES.
ON THE NORTH SIDE, RIGHT? THE CUL-DE-SAC.
CAN WE SEE THE OTHER, WHAT WAS THE OTHER OPTION PLEASE? YEAH, YEAH.
SO TO, TO CLARIFY THE SITE PLAN A LITTLE BIT, UM, AS MATT WAS SAYING, THIS IS THE EASIEST FOR THE DUMP TRUCK TO ENTER, PICK UP THE TRASH RECYCLING, AND THEN EXIT OUT IN THE PARKING LOT.
THIS ALSO GIVES A GREATER LOADING BAY FOR ANY DELIVERIES, UM, AND ALSO REDUCES MORE PARKING SPACES IN THE REAR, UM, TO HELP MITIGATE ANY SOUND OR LIGHT, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH PARKING IN THE REAR FOR THE RESIDENT.
FOR THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
OUR OPTION B THAT WE ARE PRESENTING IS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR IN THE FACT THAT WE ARE ONCE AGAIN PROVIDING THE ADDITIONAL A D A ACCESS AISLES ADJACENT TO THE A D A SPACES, REMOVING THE PARALLEL PARKING SPACES ALONG THE BUILDING.
UM, BUT IN THIS CASE, WE ARE PRESERVING WHERE THE EXISTING LOADING BAY IS, UM, REDUCING IT TO THE ONE SIZE THAT IS REQUIRED, AND THEN PUTTING THE GARBAGE ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING ALONG, UH, ALONG THE SIDE WITH KEEPING THE PARKING, UM, CONTINUOUS ALONG THE REAR PROPERTY ALONG.
AND, AND IT'S, I THINK THE OTHER GENTLEMAN, UH, MR. AUERBACK MENTIONED THAT PICKUP WOULD BE NOT DURING OPERATING HOURS, SO YOU CAN EXPECT THAT THE LOT WOULD BE EMPTY WHEN THE TRUCK IS COMING IN.
SO IT WOULD BE ABLE TO PULL THROUGH A SPACE IF IT NEEDED TO.
YEAH, WE'RE GONNA NEED, WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE THAT, THAT THE LOT IS EMPTY, SO WE'LL, WE'LL MORE THAN LIKELY HAVE, UH, PLACARDS, UH, INDICATING THAT IF YOU'RE PARKED ANYWHERE, AND I KNOW I'M NOT SHARING MY SCREEN, I'M MOVING MY MOUSE.
IF YOU'RE PARKED ANYWHERE TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING OR ALONG THE BACK LOT, YOUR CAR'S GONNA BE TOWED.
UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO SWING IN AROUND, THERE'S A, A LIGHT POLE AT THE BOTTOM OF THESE, UH, SOUTHERN SPACES HERE.
THEY'RE GONNA NEED TO PULL AROUND THERE TO ACCESS THE GATE AND THEN BACK UP TO, TO PULL OUT.
DID I HEAR SOMETHING ABOUT LOADING BASE TOO, WHERE IT'S JUST A LOAD, IT'S A LOADING ZONE.
WE HAVE EXISTING, THERE'S, THERE'S EXISTING BAY DOORS.
IS THAT WHERE YOU'RE GETTING DRIVEWAYS? PARDON? WHERE ARE YOUR DELIVERIES GO? WHERE ARE, WHERE ARE YOU GETTING DELIVERIES IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING OR THE BACK OF THE BUILDING? THE BACK OF THE, ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
THERE'S, THERE'S A REAR STAIR AND DOOR THAT GIVES GOOD ACCESS TO THE KITCHEN AREA.
WHAT KIND OF TRUCK, WHAT KIND OF TRUCKS DELIVER THAT? THEY 18 WHEELERS, SMALLER TRUCKS OR IT'S DELIVERED NO, MORE THAN LIKELY BE SMALLER BOX TRUCKS.
I MEAN, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE CER WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UH, FIRE LANE ACCESS.
IT'S, IT'S 24 FEET FROM THE CORNER FROM THE EDGE OF, OF THE PARKING STRIPE TO THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING.
UM, WHICH WAS ANOTHER REASON WE REMOVED THOSE PARALLEL SPOTS ALONG THE BACK WAS JUST TO ENSURE, UH, EASE OF, EASE OF FLOW.
STAY ON THE DELIVERY FOR A SECOND.
I'M NOT DONE WITH THE DELIVERY YET.
UM, HOW MANY DELIVERIES YOU'RE GETTING A WEEK? DO YOU KNOW? I MEAN, BETWEEN, BETWEEN
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FOOD AND, AND BEER AND WINE.UH, FIVE TO, I MEAN, PROBABLY ONCE EVERY OTHER DAY.
AND THEN MOSTLY DURING THE DAY THAT THEY, THEY'RE ALL DURING THE DAY.
THE QUESTION IS HOW THEY'RE NOT, HOW EARLY DO THEY COME AGAIN, WE WOULD TRY TO FACILITATE, UH, EARLIER DELIVERIES, 8:00 AM 9:00 AM SO THAT JUST A MANAGER CAN BE THERE TO ACCEPT AND RECEIVE THE DELIVERIES.
AND THEN THE PARKING LOT SHOULD BE FREE OF, OF ANY, ANY, ANY ISSUE.
IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T, DOESN'T GENERATE ANYTHING.
YOU, YOU MENTIONED, UM, THE POTENTIAL FOR AN 18 WHEELER.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK COULD BE REGULAR OR, YOU KNOW, AS YOU FILL OUT THE SITE AND BRING IN THE EQUIPMENT AND THE SIMULATORS, YOU WOULD ANTICIPATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? 'CAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT.
I THINK, I MEAN, IN 18 WHEELER IS QUITE DIFFERENT FROM A BOX TRUCK.
NO, I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK THE, THE FOOD, THE FOOD SERVICE VENDOR AND THE, AND THE, THE BEVERAGE VENDORS ARE GOING TO SIZE THE TRUCK APPROPRIATE TO THE SPACE.
UM, I JUST, I JUST, YOU KNOW, ON THE OFF CHANCE THAT WE, WHEN WE, WHEN WE RECEIVE DELIVERY OF, OF THE ACTUAL EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE FITTING THE, THE SPACE OUT WITH, THERE MAY BE A, AN 18 WHEELER THAT, THAT COMES THROUGH THAT.
BUT I, I JUST WANTED THAT TO BE CLEAR.
THAT, THAT MAKES, THAT MAKES SENSE.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE PEOPLE HAVE ON, ON THE SITE PLAN RIGHT NOW? I, I HAVE, I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU.
YOU, YOU'RE PUTTING IN THESE WALKWAYS AND RIGHT NOW ABOUT 90%
IS IT POSSIBLE WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING IN THE WALKWAYS AND THINGS EITHER TO PUT SOME, SOME, UH, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IN OR USE LIKE OUS PAVERS AND STUFF? 'CAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A DRAINAGE ISSUE IN THAT THAT AREA COULD HELP.
NOT THAT IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, BUT HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY SINCE YOU'RE TAKING OUT THOSE PARKING SPACES ANYWAY, TO MAYBE MITIGATE, UH, THAT ISSUE A LITTLE WITH PURVIEW PAVERS.
WELL, WE
PARKING, PARKING SPACES, STRIPE, WE'LL STRIKE IT IS A WAYNE DOES NOT KNOW WHAT, WHAT IS DOES NOT NO PARKING STRIPES.
WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS THE ABILITY TO ABSORB SOME OF THE WATER THAT IS NOW RUNNING OFF OFF THE FACILITY.
YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING OUT PARKING SPACES AND PUTTING IN A WALKWAY.
IF THAT WALKWAY WAS DONE WITH PREVIOUS PAVERS, WHICH WE HAVE ACTUALLY RIGHT IN TOWN HALL, WE USE OUS PAVERS WE DO VERY SUCCESSFULLY.
AND IT, IT, THEY'RE DIFFICULT IN THE PARKING LOT SOMETIMES BECAUSE THEY CAN WEAR OUT, BUT AS A WALKWAY, THEY'RE FINE.
AND IT, IT COULD MITIGATE A LITTLE BIT OF RUNOFF THAT, THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE HAD TROUBLE WITH OVER THE YEARS.
AND, AND IT'S DOESN'T SEEM DISRUPTIVE TO YOUR PLAN IF YOU COULD POSSIBLY DO THAT.
WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT, BUT I, I, I ACTUALLY, WITHOUT THE LINES AND GRADES PLAN IN FRONT OF ME, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TELL YOU UNEQUIVOCALLY, BUT I BELIEVE THE, THE MAIN DRIVE CORRIDOR, UM, IS EVERYTHING'S PITCHED AWAY FROM THE BUILDING.
I I CAN PROMISE YOU IT IS ON THE, ON THE WEST SIDE IN THE BACK.
SO I MEAN, IT'S, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE 10 TO 12 FEET BELOW GRADE OF EVERYTHING ACROSS THE STREET.
AND THE GRADE FROM THE, FROM, FROM THE EDGE OF, OF OUR ENTRY POINT DOWN TO THE, TO THE BACK END OF THE LOT, THERE DROPS A GOOD FOUR, FOUR FEET.
AND SO TO THAT POINT, I WANTED TO KNOW, WE, WE CAN SEE YOUR DRAWING OF THE ROOF, BUT WHAT IS YOUR ROOF MADE OF? AND IS IT POSSIBLE TO MAYBE DO A WATER MITIGATION SYSTEM ON TOP OF YOUR ROOF? NOT ANYTHING, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE TOO CRAZY, BUT JUST TO SLOW THE RUNOFF FROM THE ROOFTOP.
UH, IT IS, WE WOULD HAVE TO, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A BASIC POLE BARN CONSTRUCTED BUILDING WITH AN ALUMINUM ROOF.
THAT'S WHY, UM, CAN'T SUPPORT MUCH WEIGHT.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT ANY OF THE GUTTERING SYSTEM THAT EXISTS.
UM, WELL, I, AGAIN, BUT I MEAN, WHAT THE, THE AMOUNT OF RUNOFF THAT WOULD BE COMING FROM OUR ROOF IS SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN WHAT'S COMING OFF OF CENTRAL PARK AVENUE AND EVERYTHING ACROSS THE STREET.
ALL WE'RE ASK ALL WE'RE ASKING, LOOK, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS AN
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EXISTING BUILDING, OBVIOUSLY, WHEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH AN EXISTING BUILDING, IF WE CAN, PARTICULARLY WHEN SOMEONE'S MAKING SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE OUTSIDE TO THE POSITIVE, THIS IS A WAY OF, AND YOU DID JUST TELL US THAT THE, THAT THE CONTOUR ACTUALLY SLOPES TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS A PRECISELY THE POINT.SO TO THE, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, UH, EITHER A LITTLE BIT OF LANDSCAPING OR, UH, AT LEAST PER PERMEABLE PAVERS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAVE IT WITH SOMETHING ANYWAY.
NO, I I, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THEN WALK THROUGH, PUT IN A WALKWAY.
I THINK THEY, I THINK WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS JUST RETRIP THE AREA.
THEY'RE NOT REMOVING PAVEMENT OR ADDING PAVE, BUT THEY COULD STILL DO A WALKWAY.
IT COULD ADD A WALK TO YOUR POINT.
I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
I THOUGHT THAT LITTLE THING WAS, UH, YEAH, I THINK IT'S JUST RETRIP.
UM, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ADD.
SO THE, THE BOARD IS ASKING YOU TO TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION AND, AND PROVIDE A RESPONSE ON WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE THAT COULD FUNCTION TO, UM, YOU KNOW, UPTAKE SOME OF THE WATER THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE RUNNING OFF TOWARDS THE REAR.
WE KNOW THAT TROUBLESOME BROOK IS, UH, YOU KNOW, AT THE FAR REAR OF THE SITE, IT'S CALLED THAT FOR A REASON.
UM, THE BOARD DID ASK AND, AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR FENCING OR SOME OTHER SCREENING.
UH, BUT THE APPLICANT DID STATE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN WAS RECENTLY OUT THERE, THAT THEY DID DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT AREA AND THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PROPOSE TO BLOCK OFF ACCESS.
UH, SO I DID SPEAK WITH THE COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS AND THEY DID PREFER TO HAVE, UH, UNFETTERED ACCESS TO THE AREA FOR POTENTIAL FUTURE.
UM, MAINTENANCE THE APPLICANT.
I KNOW WE LOOKED INTO IT AND, AND THERE IS A WOOD FENCE BACK THERE THAT PROVIDES SEPARATION.
UM, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT WANTED TO SPEAK ON THAT ANY FURTHER.
THE FENCE IS A GOOD CONDITION, CORRECT? THERE ARE, FOR THE MOST PART, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS WHERE IT'S NOT AS GREAT.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART IT IS A SOLID THING.
WELL, WHAT I'D SUGGEST, I MEAN, AGAIN, UM, THAT WE WOULD, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST MEETING.
OBVIOUSLY YOU HAD A FURNITURE STA STORE THERE BEFORE THE FURNITURE STORE DID NOT HAVE ACTIVITY AT NIGHT.
YOU GUYS, IF YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL, AND WE HOPE YOU ARE, ARE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE THERE, YOU KNOW, 10, 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, EVEN MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LATER LEAVING.
SO THEREFORE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT FENCE ACTUALLY PROVIDES A PROPER BUFFER, A LIGHT BUFFER BETWEEN, UH, YOUR PROPERTY AND THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY TO THE REAR.
SO IF THE FENCE IS, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S TALKING IN THE BACKGROUND, BUT I WISH THEY WOULD STOP.
UM, IF THERE ARE, I WOULD APPRECIATE LOOKING AT THE CONDITION OF THE FENCE AND MAKING SURE IT'S REPAIRED.
SO IT DOES, DOES ACTUALLY PROVIDE THE BUFFER THAT, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
AGAIN, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF MAINTENANCE MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, I THINK.
AND, AND THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK WAS DISCUSSED, AND YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE PHOTO ON THE LEFT, UM, POTENTIALLY SIGNAGE TO REQUIRE FOLKS TO BACK INTO THOSE SPACES.
SO THEY'RE PULLING NOSE OUT AND NOT TURNING ON THE HEADLIGHTS FACING TOWARDS THE REAR.
YOU SEE THAT ONE VEHICLE IN THAT PHOTO ON THE LEFT? THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS MY, THAT WAS MY BASE RECOMMENDATION.
I, I RECALL YOU MENTIONING THAT.
OH, THAT WOULD BE FAIR ACTUALLY.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE, WE HAVE A VIDEO IF, IF YOU'LL ALLOW ME SURE.
I CAME, I DROVE IN LAST TUESDAY NIGHT.
UM, DO YOU WANT ME TO SHARE UP MATT DOOR OR PARDON? WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SHARE IT? YES, IF YOU COULD, THAT'D BE GREAT.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO JUMP IN.
UM, IS RIGHT HERE ARE THE PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING PENS FAIRLY DECENT COMMISSION.
THERE ARE SOME SPOTS, UM, THAT WOULD NEED A LITTLE BIT OF REPAIR IT LOOKS LIKE.
IT ALSO LOOKS LIKE SOME OF IT THAT HASN'T FALLEN DOWN YET MAY BE CLOSE TO IT.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE ROT THERE.
THERE'S A LOT OF MOSS ON, ON PART OF THE FENCE OR, OR VEGETATION.
AGAIN, ALL I'M ASKING FOR, IS IT THAT IT WOULD BE REPAIRED ACROSS THE ENTIRE LENGTH? YEP.
UM, YOU COULD EVEN SEE THE LIGHT HOLES EVEN IN THE PART THAT ISN'T DOWN.
UH, SO AS MATT WAS SAYING, HE DID DRIVE THROUGH THE SPACE LAST TUESDAY I NIGHT WITH HIS TRUCK.
SO WHEN I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IT WAS A TRUCK, SO THE LIGHTS ARE HIGHER UP THAN THE CAR.
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I'LL SHOW THE VIDEO IN ONE SECOND.BUT HERE IS A PICTURE FROM SAY, ENTERING THE PARKING LOT FOR THE HEIGHT OF THE LIGHTS, DO HIT THE FENCE.
AND THEN THIS IS ON THE RIGHT IS A PICTURE OF A PERSON STANDING IN THE CUL-DE-SAC AND THE RESIDENTIAL CUL-DE-SAC.
AND TO SEE THAT THE LIGHT FROM THE TRUCK IS ACTUALLY LESS THAN THE CURRENT LIGHT FROM THE, FROM THE ADJACENT CAR DEALERSHIP.
AND IT IS HIDDEN BY THE FENCE.
UM, LET ME SHARE THE VIDEO REAL QUICK.
AGAIN, UM, YOU COULD, REPAIRING THE FENCE WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD PROB WE WOULD DEFINITELY WOULD CONDITION JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE.
AND I THINK, THINK WE GOT THAT.
WHAT, LET'S JUST WATCH THE VIDEO.
WE GOT THE REPAIR OF THE FENCE.
SO, UM, THEY'RE TAKEN AT THE SAME TIME.
THIS VIDEO WAS TAKEN, UM, ENTERING FROM THE TRUCK.
UM, JUST SO THAT'S COMING DOWN THE NORTH SIDE, RIGHT? YES.
SO YOU DO SEE THE HEADLIGHT, YOU KNOW, THE FENCE IS BLOCKING IT FOR THE MOST PART.
AND THEN LET ME UM, BRING UP THE OTHER VIDEO AND, AND JUST AS YOU'RE PULLING THAT UP, I THINK THE QUESTION IS THE FENCING TO THE REAR, IS THAT ON YOUR SITE OR IS THAT ON THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES? NO, THAT, THAT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY.
CURRY HAS A RELATIVELY NEW, UH, WOOD LOOK.
THE PICKET FENCE WHERE THERE'S VEGETATION.
WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW, AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD IS, IS THAT ON THE GOLF ZONE PROPERTY OR THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT IT'S ON THE RESIDENTIAL.
IT IS OTHER RESIDENTIAL ACCORDING TO GOLF ZONES.
SO THAT THE QUESTION COMES, THAT'S A PRO.
THE REPAIR OR ASSISTANCE? ASSISTANCE.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW FOR A FACT, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD BEFORE SHOPRITE, YOU KNOW, OFFERED TO REPAIR ANY FENCING.
AND THE THING WITH THE APARTMENT BUILDING, WE, WE DID WHEN YOU AND I WENT OUT THERE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD HAS TO CONSIDER.
BUT WE CAN LOOK AT THE OTHER, LET'S LOOK AT THE VIDEO.
LET'S LOOK AT THE OTHER VIDEO.
SO THIS IS THE OTHER VIDEO FROM STANDING FROM THE CUL-DE-SAC.
THIS LIGHT HERE IS COMING FROM THE CAR DEALERSHIP.
AND AS YOU SEE THE TRUCK, LET ME BACK IT UP REAL QUICK.
UM, YOU SEE THE TRUCK COMING DOWN AND THEIR HEADLIGHTS ARE BLOCKED.
THE FENCE BLOCKED THE HEADLIGHTS EXCEPT FOR THE ONE CURRENT AREA, WHICH WAS THE ACCESS FROM D P W WHEN THEY WERE FIXING THE, UM, THE STORM WATER, THE BROKE.
THAT'S, THAT'S VERY, VERY HELPFUL.
UM, WE NEED TO GET TO THE PUBLIC.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER, OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I WAS ONLY GONNA SAY THAT SEEING THAT LIGHT OFF THE CRA I WILL SPEAK WITH OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT YEAH.
TO SEE IF THAT'S COMPLIANT BECAUSE THEY SHOULD BE DOWNCAST.
SO WE CAN DO THAT FOR THE, FOR OUR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.
WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO USE L E D AND NOT HAVE THEIR BILL.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET ANYBODY IN TROUBLE.
IT'S JUST WE WANT EVERYBODY TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND HAPPY NEIGHBORS.
ANYBODY ELSE? WALTER OR MONA, ANYTHING ON THIS BEFORE WE GO TO THE PUBLIC? YES.
WALTER, ANY COMMENTS BEFORE WE GO TO THE PUBLIC ON THIS? UH, NO O OTHER THAN THE COMMENT THAT YOU MADE EARLIER THAT, UH, WE SHOULD LOOK AT ANY POSSIBILITY OF, UH, IMPROVING THE RUNOFF NOW IS, NOW IS THIS, UH, THE, IS THIS BUILDING UP TO THE CURRENT RUNOFF HELD OR ITS GRANDFATHER? UH, GOOD QUESTION.
THEY'RE NOT MAKING ANY CHANGE TO THE OUTSIDE.
RIGHT? SO THE, WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, IS NOT PROPOSING ANY ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
SO THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO MAKE ANY MODIFICATION UNDER THE CODE.
WHETHER OR NOT THE CURRENT SITE, YOU KNOW, IS EITHER EXISTED PRIOR TO AND IS GRANDFATHERED IN OR NOT.
I CAN LOOK INTO IT'S NOT RELEVANT.
DOESN'T, IT'S NOT REALLY, IT DOESN'T REALLY IMPACT YOUR CURRENT APPLICATION.
MY, MY, MY KEY POINT IS I JUST LIKE TO REITERATE WHAT YOU HAVE SAID.
THAT OUR CURRENT CODE AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING DOES NOT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL, UH, MITIGATING, UM, ISSUES.
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IN THE PROCESS TO REDUCE IT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.THANK, THANK YOU WALTER, FOR GOOD COMMENT.
UM, I, I THINK IT'S TIME TO SPEAK TO HAVE THE PUBLIC SPEAK.
ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WANNA SPEAK, COME TO THE, TO THE PODIUM AND GIVE YOUR, UH, NAME PLEASE.
WALTER, WE'LL JUST ASK YOU TO TAKE OFF YOUR VIDEO MOMENTARILY.
NOT NICE
WE LOVE BOTH OF YOU, BUT WE WANT, WE WANT PEOPLE TO SEE THE SPEAKER.
THEY WILL FROM THE AUDITORIUM SCREEN.
IF WE LIKE THE PEOPLE, THEY PROBABLY DON'T WANNA SEE THE SPEAKER, BUT, UM, RUSO 16 CLARET IN PLACE.
I LIVE DIRECTLY BEHIND THE PROPOSED SITE.
UM, FIRST QUESTION OR NOT QUESTION? JUST A COMMENT.
SO THAT VIDEO IS A GOOD VIDEO.
IF THAT VIDEO WAS TAKEN TWO MONTHS AGO BEFORE THE TOWN DID THE WORK ON TROUBLESOME BROOK, NONE OF THAT WOULD'VE BEEN VISIBLE BECAUSE IT WAS ALL COVERED BY FOIL ENGINE TREES, WHICH THE TOWN CUT DOWN NOT FOLLOWING ITS OWN POLICY.
UM, SO IT, THE, IT HAS RECENTLY CHANGED.
THERE'S ALSO, THEY'RE APPLYING FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, I BELIEVE.
RIGHT? SO, SO WHEN YOU APPLY FOR SOMETHING NEW, YOU'RE CHANGING WHAT THE SITE IS NORMALLY.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS, UM, YOU CAN ASK THEM TO GET UP TO CURRENT CODE AND FOLLOW AND MAKE SOME ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS.
SO IN THE LAST COMMENT ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, IMPROVING THE RUNOFF, I THINK THERE IS THE OPTION FOR THE BOARD TO RECOMMEND THAT THEY DO DO THAT BEFORE WE GRANT APPROVAL.
UM, THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS, UM, THE, THERE'S ABOUT SIX REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE MET, I BELIEVE FOR SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE, UM, SHALL NOT IMPAIR THE USE.
UM, THE, UH, I FORGOT THE EXACT TERMS, BUT, UH, THE USE, THE WELLNESS, UH, THE VALUE OF THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, SO IN REFERENCE TO THE, UM, MAKING THE LIFE EASIER FOR THE GARBAGE DISPOSAL COMPANY, DO THOSE REQUIREMENTS, DOES IT SAY ANYWHERE IN THERE? I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT THAT MUCH, THAT ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS TO MAKE LIFE EASIER FOR THE GARBAGE TRUCK.
NO, BUT THAT'S WHY WE ASKED THEM TO DO AN ALTERNATIVE AND THEY DID.
WE TAKE THAT AND THEY CONSIDER, BELIEVE ME, AND THEY KNOW THIS AND, UH, AND WHICH IS, AND THEY WERE RESPONSIVE TO THAT COMMENT BY THE WAY.
UH, SO I, YES, IT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDER.
SO CAN I JUST ASK THE BOARD FOR A STORE POLL, IF ANY? DOES ANYONE THINK? NO, ACTUALLY YOU CAN'T.
OH, WELL I, I'D ASKED THE BOARD THEN TO CONSIDER IF ANYONE ON THIS BOARD THINKS PUTTING A BIG, HUGE GARBAGE BIN ON THE BORDER OF THEIR PROPERTY WON'T INFRINGE UPON THE VALUE OF THEIR PROPERTY, WON'T INFRINGE UPON, UM, THE AESTHETICS.
AND, AND, UH, I, AGAIN, I FORGOT THE TERM, BUT THE TERM IS BASICALLY, UH, ENJOYMENT.
SO CLEARLY THAT VIOLATES THE, THE TOWN'S ZONE PRINCIPLE.
UM, SO THAT GARBAGE, I IMPLORE THEM NOT TO PUT IT THERE.
UM, AND IT CAN BE PUT MORE TOWARDS THE FRONT IN THE BACK.
THERE'S LIKE AN L SHAPE IN THAT PARKING LOT.
WHY NOT PUT IT OVER THERE AS FAR AWAY AS THEY CAN? IT'S BEEN IN ONE PLACE THE WHOLE TIME THAT BUILDING'S EXISTED.
DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHERE IT EXISTS NOW? IT'S NOT WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PUT IT.
WELL, THERE'S TWO OPTIONS THAT THEY SHOWED.
ONE I THOUGHT WAS WHERE IT IS NOW, AM I WRONG, WHERE A AGAINST THE BUILDING IS JUST IN THE CURRENT LOADING DOCK AREA.
AND WE THOUGHT THAT THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THE APPLICANT STATED THAT IT WON'T, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY USE FOR THE LOADING DOCK AREA SPECIFICALLY.
THEY'RE NOT GETTING FURNITURE EVERY DAY.
'CAUSE THEY'RE ONLY GONNA MAKE FOOD DELIVERIES TO THAT REAR STEER.
I THOUGHT THAT'S WHERE IT HAD BEEN BEFORE.
WHERE WAS IT NOW? WHERE WAS, I MEAN, THE THING IS IT'S QUITE SAME, THE VACANT BUILDING, SO I DON'T KNOW, DIFFERENT, IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, RIGHT? THEY'RE GONNA HAVE FOOD INSTEAD FURNITURE BOXES.
RATS, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A FIELD DAY.
THERE'S RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, SMALL KIDS, AND NOW YOU'RE GONNA INVITE MORE RODENTS.
THEY, THEY CAN'T BE, THEY'RE NOT OPEN GARBAGE CONTAINERS AND IT'S FENCED.
I, I, THERE'S, THERE'S THE RODENTS DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES AND BELIEVE ME, IT IT SOMETHING WILL GO WRONG.
UM, THEN ALSO IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THE, A LOT OF THE WORK, AND WE WERE TALKING WITH THE TOWN BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING IN TROUBLESOME BROOK AND THEY DID MENTION THAT THEY WOULD REQUIRE ANY NEW IMPROVEMENTS TO COME INTO THE TOWN THAT THEY WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO MAKE SOME MITIGATION FOR THE RUNOFF AND THE FLOODING THAT TAKES PLACE THERE.
SO IT'S INTERESTING THAT THAT'S NOT PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
SO THAT JUST MEANS THE TOWN TOWN WAS NOT TRUTHFUL WHEN THEY WERE TALKING TO THE RESIDENTS.
ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW SINCE IT'S ACTUALLY THE JURISDICTION OF THIS BOARD.
BUT SECOND OF ALL, I DON'T KNOW IF
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YOU CONSIDER PAUL FINER FOR THE LAST HALF, HALF AN HOUR, BUT THE LAST HALF AN HOUR WAS A LOT OF IT WAS ABOUT DRAINAGE.MR. SIMON SAID THAT, AND WE HAD DEFINITELY CONSIDERED, SO DID, SO DID MS. DAVIS SAY THAT? AND SO, UH, OKAY.
NO, I, I TAKE THE POINT INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT I BELIEVE WE ARE NOT ABLE TO REQUIRE IT UNDER THE LAW.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT.
THAT'S, THAT'S IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH, UH, THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING.
THAT'S HOW, WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT WITH COUNCIL TOO.
BUT WE WILL, YEAH, WE'LL CHECK IT WITH COUNCIL TOO.
WE CERTAINLY CAN AS TO WHAT, HOW FAR WE CAN DO WITH THAT.
AND AND, AND TO THAT REGARD, SINCE, SINCE THE TOWN DID REMOVE THE TREES THAT WERE THERE, RIGHT? THAT DID PROVIDE SOME BUFFER.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT THAT BACK ROW OF PARKING SPACES, IF THEY COULD SHORTEN THAT AND MAYBE PUT TWO ROWS OF TREES.
I APPRECIATE THAT THE TOWN SAID THEY WANTED ACCESS, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA HINDER ANYTHING.
THERE'S NOTHING THERE BUT ROCKS.
UM, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WELL, WHY DO THEY NEED THAT ACCESS? I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WOULD DO.
I, AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS WITH WITH, WITH OUR D P W, BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THE APPLICANT CAN REALLY DO ON THEIR OWN.
THAT, THAT WAS WHAT WAS RELAYED TO ME THAT THEY WANT ACCESS TO THE STONE AREA THAT THEY, THE AREA THAT
BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN, WE CAN TALK WITH PUBLIC WORK.
THEY CAN ACCESS TO THE OTHER SIDE.
WELL, I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK WITH THEM AGAIN.
YEAH, WE'LL SPEAK WITH 'EM AGAIN.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S, THIS APPLICANT DIDN'T TAKE DOWN THOSE TREES, SO NO, I I NO, I APPRECIATE THAT.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING 'CAUSE IT NOW IT'S, AND, AND THE TOWN DID PROMISE THEY WERE GONNA PLANT NEW TREES.
BUT, UM, WE, WE CAN FOLLOW UP ON THAT AND FIND OUT WHAT, WHAT THIS CERTAINLY, I MEAN THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THIS APPLICATION IN THIS PROJECT.
IT'S NOT THE APPLICATION IF THERE WERE PROMISES MADE BY, BUT I CAN ALSO UNDERSTAND HOW IT IMPACTS THIS APPLICATION FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE.
AND THEN THE OTHER COMMENT IS, UM, 24 HOUR FITNESS, UH, THE FORMER A AND P I BELIEVE THEY PUT WATER TANKS IN THERE WHEN THEY HAD, UM, TO ABSORB SOME OF THE WATER RUNOFF YEARS AND YEARS AGO.
SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THAT CAN BE EXPLORED TO, TO HELP WITH THE FLOODING SITUATION THAT WATER TANKS COULD BE PUT INTO THE GROUND TO WITHHOLD THE WATER.
SO WE GONNA COAL TANKS OR SOMETHING? COLD TANKS THERE.
UH, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE DRAINAGE DESIGN IS ACROSS RECENT, ACROSS THE STREET.
I DON'T THINK THEY DID IT AS PART OF, I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR OVER 20 YEARS AND I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT WHEN IT CHANGED FROM THE VACANT SHOPRITE OR WHATEVER IT WAS TO THE A P PARKING'S TO THE 24 HOUR.
THEY DIDN'T ADD THOSE AT THAT TIME.
BUT WE CAN LOOK INTO WHAT THEY HAD.
UM, WE ALSO ARE GONNA CHECK WITH COUNSEL TO SEE IF, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'LL FIND OUT WHAT, WHAT WE CAN DO AND WHAT WE CAN ASK AND WHAT WE CAN REPORT, WHAT OUR DISCUSSION IS IN THAT REGARD.
A AND DO WE KNOW WHAT, WHAT'S THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS? UH, YEAH THAT CAME UP IN THE WORK SESSION.
SO WE ASK THE APPLICANT, ANTICIPATE ANTICIPATED HOURS OF OPERATION ARE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN EIGHT AND 9:00 AM TO MIDNIGHT.
'CAUSE THERE WILL BE ALCOHOL INVOLVED.
PEOPLE WILL HANG OUT IN THE PARKING LOT.
YOUNG KIDS GOING TO SCHOOL, IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO GET TO SLEEP.
THE REALITY IS, PEOPLE AFTER GETTING THEIR ADRENALINE ALL PUMPED UP, HITTING GOLF, DRINKING, THEY'RE GONNA BE HANGING OUT IN THE PARKING LOT.
AND THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST A FACT.
SO, UM, WELL IT MAY NOT BE A FACT, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE IT CAN ALL IT ALL AGAIN, THERE ARE WAYS TO DEAL WITH THAT IN A SPECIAL PERMIT.
UM, I'M SURE I'M FORGETTING A COUPLE OF THINGS, BUT, UH, I THINK I COVERED KIND OF MY MAIN, SO WATER MITIGATION, UM, GARBAGE PLACEMENT, UM, SOME SORT OF BUFFER BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
SOME SORT OF CONDITION WHERE, UH, SOMEONE IS WATCHING AND MAKING SURE THAT, THAT THEY'RE NOT, UM, MAKING A LOT OF NOISE AND, UM, HANGING OUT IN THE PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, DISTURBING THE PIECE OF SLEEPING AND, AND, AND THAT'S REALLY IT.
AND AND YOUR EMAIL THAT WAS SUBMITTED WAS TRANSMITTED TO THE BOARD.
BOTH IN HARD COPY AND ELECTRONICALLY.
YOU MENTIONED ABOUT SMELLS AND I THINK THE APPLICANT TO AGREE ADDRESS THAT BY THE FACT THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE COOKED.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NO EXHAUST EXHAUST.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE ACTUALLY ASKED THAT AT THE LAST MEETING.
ACTUALLY, NOT ONLY DON'T WE, THIS IS WAS AN EXCELLENT, YOU OBVIOUSLY DID WORK ON THIS.
AND WE APPRECIATE PEOPLE THAT COME IN WITH VERY SPECIFIC I IDEAS AND THOUGHTS AND IT'S A POINT OF ACTUALLY GO ON AND RESEARCH TO MORE.
THAT'S SOMETHING I, I WISH MORE PUBLIC WOULD DO.
AND THIS IS ENTERED INTO THE RECORD TOO.
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK TONIGHT ON THIS PROJECT? NO.
IS THERE ANYONE ON THE ZOOM CALL THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT? NOW WOULD BE THE TIME.
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OKAY.UH, THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL WHEN AARON, WE WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, ONE WEEK THE 28TH.
THAT MEANS IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS YOU WANT TO GET IN, YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM BEFORE THE 28TH FOR US TO CONSIDER A DECISION.
AND, AND WE WOULD ASK THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE ANY RESPONSE, RESPONSE TO ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR CONCERNS RAISED THIS EVENING.
ALSO BY NO LATER THAN THE 28TH.
CAN I HAVE A, I YOU, SO YOU, YOU'D LIKE THE RESPONSE IN WRITING? YES.
CAN I HAVE A THAT MOTION SOONER IF POSSIBLE.
CAN I HAVE THAT MOTION TO CLOSE? I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS APPLICATION AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL 28TH, THE 28TH OF SEPTEMBER.
UH, I HAVE A COMMENT BE I HAVE A COMMENT BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE.
UH, THERE WAS A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WERE INDICATED THAT, UH, DEPUTY SMITH WILL FOLLOW UP ON.
UH, THAT SHOULD BE PART OF WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON.
THAT THAT FOLLOW UP IS ALSO INCLUDED ALONG WITH THE FOLLOW UP FOR OBVIOUSLY THE FOLLOW UP FOR THE APPLICANT.
WHAT THE MOTION AS AMENDED THEN? THE WHOLE THING.
JUST SAY AS AMENDED I MOVE THAT WE
THAT WE, I'M AMENDING MY MOTION BY ORIGINAL MOTION TO INCLUDE MR. SIMON'S COMMENTS.
ALL OPPOSED? THAT WAS A NEW ONE.
OH, I DON'T THINK I'VE DONE THAT ONE BEFORE.
IT SHOULD BE, THIS WILL BE ON FOR, UH, FOR DECISION ON OCTOBER 3RD IS ACTUALLY OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS A MONDAY.
SO THIS PROJECT WILL BE CONSIDERED FOR DECISION THAT EVENING.
SO WE'RE RUNNING A LITTLE BIT BEHIND.
WE HAVE OUR NEXT PROJECT ON ANDERSON.
PB 2213 ANDERSON BALL ON ZERO OLD ARMY ROAD.
UM, IT'S FOR A STEEP SLOPE AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UM, I THINK FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING RESPONSIVE.
I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH AARON ON THE SITE PLAN MM-HMM.
I THINK MOST OF THE QUESTIONS I JUST, IF YOU COULD JUST TALK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT YOU ADDRESSED, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS, THIS A LOT.
THERE WERE TWO ISSUES THAT WERE OUTSTANDING IN MY VIEW.
ONE WAS THE DRAINAGE ALONG THE SIDE.
BY THE WAY, THE SIDE VIEW WAS VERY HELPFUL.
IT MADE, GAVE ME A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORT.
AND, AND THE SOLUTION EVEN HELPED MORE.
TWO WAS THE TURNING RADIUS TO SEE IF THE HAMMERHEAD WAS USEFUL.
AND I HOPE YOU HAVE ANALYSIS OF THAT TONIGHT.
AND THE THIRD ONE, AND THIS CAME FROM OUR HISTORIC BOARD MM-HMM.
JUST PRESERVE THE ROCK SO IT CAN BE REUSED, REPURPOSED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE IT'S, IT WAS AT WHAT TIME? A A, A WALL.
AND I, I THINK THAT'S NOT AN UNREASONABLE REQUEST FROM THE HISTORIC BOARD.
SO IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THOSE THREE THINGS.
I WOULD JUST ADD THAT IF YOU COULD QUICKLY WALK THROUGH THE SITE PLAN FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
UM, AND THEN, UH, WALK US THROUGH THE REVISIONS AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
I WAS GONNA DO A ONE MINUTE RECAP OF EVERYTHING FOR THE PUBLIC'S SAKE.
UM, 'CAUSE I DO KNOW THAT YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD ENOUGH OF US, BUT, UM, SO HI.
IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU IN PERSON.
UM, IT'S JODY, IT'S MUCH EASIER TO SEE YOU IN PERSON.
THE APPLICANT HERE WITH ANDREW VA FROM THE, UH, FROM WELCOME HOMES AND VI SOPHIA, SO IS OUR ENGINEERING CONSULTANT.
AND I BELIEVE OUR CLIENT JONATHAN BALL AND, UM, UH, MICHAEL ANDERSON ARE BOTH ALSO ON ZOOM.
THERE'S, UH, I SEE JONATHAN WAVING.
I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN'T REALLY SEE IF MICHAEL'S THERE.
UM, SO I KNOW WE'VE BEEN BEFORE YOU BEFORE, BUT THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO I JUST THOUGHT I'D DO A VERY QUICK RECAP.
WE ARE HERE FOR A STEEP SLOPE ENTRY REMOVAL PERMIT IN CONNECTION WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
UH, THIS IS A LOT THAT WAS CREATED BACK IN 2008.
WE WERE BEFORE THIS BOARD IN, UH, MAY TO CONFIRM THAT THE, UM, IMPROVEMENT PLAN WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE SUBDIVISION FROM 2008, WHICH WAS A REQUIREMENT BACK THEN.
SO NOW, UH, WE'RE BACK HERE, UM, TO GET THE STEEP SLOPE AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UH, WE WERE BEFORE THE BOARD BACK AT FIRST IN AUGUST AND ALSO TWO WEEKS AGO.
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UM, WE'RE, AS WE'VE EXPLAINED TO THE BOARD, THE APPLICANT'S TAKEN REAL GREAT CARE TO, UH, PRESERVE THE FEATURES, THE AESTHETICS AND THE, UH, THE TOPO THE TREES TO THE EXTENT PRACTICABLE.UM, WE'VE TAKEN ALL THIS BOARD'S CONCERNS SERIOUSLY.
I KNOW YOU MENTIONED A FEW OF THESE ISSUES.
WE DID PROVIDE A FIGURE SHOWING THE TURNING RADIUS OF THE CAR, AND WE'LL BRING THAT UP IN A MOMENT.
UM, WE MADE THE REVISIONS TO THE DRAINAGE AS YOU MENTIONED.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT IS REQUIRED UNDER THE CODE FOR STORMWATER.
UM, TO THAT POINT, WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE IS A LETTER THAT WAS SUBMITTED, UH, ON BEHALF OF, I'M NOT SURE WHAT NEIGHBORS, BUT IT WAS FROM, UH, MICHAEL STEIN ON, UH, STORMWATER CONCERNS WHICH THE CONSULTANTS WILL ADDRESS, UM, REGARDING THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.
WE DID RECEIVE THAT LETTER ABOUT THE STONEWALL AND THE OWNERS DID CONSIDER VERY, UH, CAREFULLY WHETHER THEY, UH, WOULD ACCEPT THAT SUGGESTION ABOUT MOVING THE ROCKS.
BUT REALLY THEY FEEL IT DOESN'T ALIGN, UH, AESTHETICALLY WITH THE HOME AND IT WOULD REALLY JUST NOT BE, UM, VISUALLY PLEASING.
WELL, WHAT YOU COULD DO IS ASK, ASK THE THE HISTORIC BOARD IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THE ROCKS OUT, I ASSUME THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
ASK THEM IF THEY WOULD LIKE THEM REPURPOSED SOMEPLACE ELSE.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
YEAH, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME GET SOME, SOMEBODY WANTS TO GET GET 'EM, I THINK WE'LL BRING IT TO THEM IF THEY WANT IT
THAT'D BE VERY NICE IF YOU DO THAT.
BUT MAYBE THERE'S SOMEPLACE ELSE ON ARMY ROAD WHERE THEY COULD BE USED.
SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD A ROCK WALL WITH THEM.
I MEAN UNDERSTAND THAT BUILDING NEXT DOOR IS FROM 17 HUNDREDS I THINK.
SO THEY'RE VERY SENSITIVE TO, TO THE HISTORY.
WE HAVE A LOT OF HISTORY HERE IN EDGE IN IN IN GREENBURG.
SO WHAT THEY'RE DOING, I CAN UNDERSTAND WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE AS MANY ARTIFACTS.
AND THE OTHER THING REMEMBER IS IF YOU DIG ANYTHING UP, YOU ALSO NEED TO TELL THEM ABOUT THAT.
AND THAT, THAT WAS IN THIS COMMENT LETTER, BUT WE ALSO ALREADY AGREED TO THAT BACK IN MAY AS A CONDITION.
SO WE'RE PERFECTLY FINE WITH THAT.
UM, SO REALLY THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TO, TO UH, JUST PRESENT.
DID YOU SHOW THE PLAN TO THE PUBLIC CASE? WE WILL PRESENT THAT.
WHILE YOU'RE PULLING THAT UP, I CAN JUST INDICATE THAT WITH RESPECT TO THE COMMENTS THAT CAME IN, UM, AND THAT WE'RE CIRCULATED TO THE BOARD FROM MR. STEIN'S OFFICE.
UH, HUDSON ENGINEERING, I DID HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRIEFLY DISCUSS THIS PROPOSAL WITH THE TOWNS BUREAU OF ENGINEERING.
UH, THEY HAVE PRELIMINARILY LOOKED AT THE DRAINAGE DESIGN FOR THE SITE AND IDENTIFIED THAT IT DOES MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENT.
YOU KNOW, IN A REPORT TO THE TOWN'S BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, THEY HAVE TO REVIEW THAT.
IT HAS TO MEET ALL CODE REQUIREMENTS BEFORE THE PROJECT CAN ADVANCE TO A BUILDING PERMIT PHASE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT ON THE RECORD.
TAKE US TRY TO BE BRIEF 'CAUSE WE'RE ACTUALLY RUNNING A LITTLE LATE TODAY.
UH, MY NAME IS ANDREW VA WITH WELCOME HOMES, UH, A CIVIL ENGINEER.
UM, AGAIN, I'D JUST LIKE TO GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT, BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ON THE SCREEN HERE IS WHAT'S PROPOSED ON THE SITE.
UM, NO MAJOR CHANGES HAVE OCCURRED SINCE THE LAST ITERATION.
WE LOOKED AT THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT.
UM, FIRST OFF, THE BOARD HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE CIRCULATION FROM A VEHICLE EXITING THE GARAGE AREA AND, UH, LEAVING, UH, THE DRIVEWAY, UH, HEADFIRST ONTO OLD ARMY ROAD.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE FIRST EXHIBITS I WANTED TO, UH, BRING UP WAS JUST THIS VEHICLE CIRCULATION EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS THE VEHICLE THAT'S IN THE NORTHERN PARKING SPACE WITHIN THE GARAGE AREA, ABLE TO BACK OUT AND THEN UM, TURN AROUND, MAKE A K TURN MOVER AND TURN AROUND TO BE FACING FORWARD, UH, TO GET OUT ONTO OLD ARMY ROAD.
UH, SO NICK SERGEANT RE-ARRESTED.
I THE, THE, THE, THE LOWER CAR THERE.
THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE IS CAN YOU START TURNING THERE WITHOUT HITTING THE CAR NEXT TO YOU? THE BOTH CARS IN THE GARAGE.
SO THE INTENT WITH THE LOWER CAR IS THAT THEY WOULD, UH, CONTINUE BACKING OUT STRAIGHT AND THEN MAKE THAT MANEUVER ONCE
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THEY'VE CLEARED THAT OTHER VEHICLE.AND THERE'S ENOUGH RADIUS TO DO THAT.
'CAUSE I SEE IT CURVED STARTING TO TURN BEFORE THE, THEY'VE CLEARED THE BUMPER OF THE, THE OTHER CAR.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE FOR THAT LOWER VEHICLE.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO START THAT TURN LATER IN THE PROCESS.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT THE MORE CONSERVATIVE ONE IS THE UPPER VEHICLE BECAUSE IF YOU'RE OPERATING ALONG THAT CURB LINE, YOU DON'T WANT THE, UH, THE WHEEL TO HIT THAT CURB LINE.
SO THERE IS MORE ROOM FOR THAT LOWER VEHICLE TO MAKE THAT MANEUVER ONCE THEY FURTHER, UM, BACK OUTTA THAT SPACE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE, EVEN THE TOP ONE, YOU'RE ALMOST AGAINST THE WALL OF THE GARAGE.
IT, IT'S TIGHT, BUT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.
UM, I UNDERSTAND, ESPECIALLY UNDERSTAND, KEEPING IN MIND THE, UH, THE WIDTH ALLOWANCES WITH THE DRIVEWAY.
I DON'T THINK THEY'LL DO IT IN ONE MIKE.
THAT IS MOST CANNOT DO IT IN ONE TURN, BUT THEY CAN DO IT IN A COUPLE.
UM, SO I THINK IT'S SAT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE REQUEST OF THE BOARD WAS TO SEE IF IT COULD BE DONE IN A WAY SO THAT CARS ARE ABLE TO PULL THE NOSE OUT.
WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO IS END UP OVER ON THE SIDE, THEN GO THIS WAY, AND THEN COME BACK AND THEN DO THAT.
IT'S GONNA BE LIKE THREE, THEY CAN DO IT, IT'S THREE POINT.
IT'S GONNA BE LIKE A THREE POINT TURN.
WELL, CAN YOU LENGTHEN THE HAMMER HEAD A LITTLE? SO THEY HAVE, UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN'T BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT 30 FOOT WIDTH REQUIREMENT.
UM, BUT THE ORDINANCE ONLY ALLOWS US TO GO 30 FEET AND WIDTH.
SO, UM, UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S NOT AN OPTION FOR US, SO.
UM, SO HOPEFULLY THIS ADDRESSES YOUR, YOUR COMMENT FROM LAST TIME ABOUT THE CIRCULATION ON THE SITE.
THE NEXT EXHIBIT I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE IS THE LANDSCAPING.
AND I KNOW THAT THE BOARD HAD ASKED FOR, UH, TO SEE, SEE THIS LAST TIME.
BUT ESSENTIALLY A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THIS IS THAT, UH, WE TOOK INTO ACCOUNT YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT HAVING SCREENING FROM THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS.
AND THE INTENT WITH THIS PLAN IS FIRST OFF TO PROVIDE, UH, SCREENING FROM BOTH THE NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN NEIGHBORS, UH, WITH THESE ARBOR VIDI THAT ARE PROPOSED ON BOTH PROPERTY LINES.
AND SO THERE'S A TOTAL OF 30 OF THOSE PLANTS PROPOSED TO GIVE THAT, UH, THAT APPROPRIATE SCREENING.
ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE, UH, VARIOUS SPECIES THAT ARE PROPOSED TO MEET THE TOWN, UH, TRUE REPLACEMENT REQUIREMENTS.
AND THAT'S ALSO BEEN CONSULTANT WITH, UH, CONSULTED WITH THE TOWN, UH, FORESTRY OFFICER.
SO, UM, WE DID HAVE DISCUSSIONS AND, UM, ARE CONFIDENT THIS WILL COMPLY WITH THE TOWN CODE, UM, FOR TRUE REMOVAL AND WHATNOT.
BUT, UM, I, I DID WANT TO BRING THIS UP AND, AND EXPLAIN OUR INTENT WITH THE BOARD TO THE BOARD ON THIS.
I DID QUICKLY JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT I HAD A PHONE CALL WITH THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE IN THE, THE HOUSE THAT DATES BACK QUITE A WAYS, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING.
THAT'S GONNA LOOK A LOT BETTER WHEN THAT FENCE IS GONE BECAUSE IT JUST, BIG PICKET FENCE IS ALL YOU SEE FROM THE NEIGHBOR THAT THAT'S WAS CALLING YOU IS ON THE PHONE.
AND I GUESS THE QUESTION IS WHY, WHY THE FENCE NEEDS TO BE REMOVED THAT SEPARATES THE PROPERTIES.
UM, WE'RE GONNA LET THE APPLICANT GET THROUGH THE REST OF ITS PRESENTATION AND THEN OPEN IT UP FOR, SORRY, SORRY, A PUBLIC COMMENT.
AND THEN THE, THE FINAL COMMENT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE ABOUT THIS, UM, TO CONTINUE ON OUR PRESENTATION FROM LAST TIME IS JUST THE, UH, THE STORMWATER STRATEGY AND THE BOARD HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE, UM, AREA SPECIFICALLY BELOW THE HOME AND HOW THAT'S, THIS WOULD IMPACT, UH, RUNOFF CONTINUING BELOW, UH, DOWN, DOWN THE HILL TO THE, UM, TO THE EAST OF THE SITE.
AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE CONSULTED WITH THE TOWN AND, UM, TOOK A CLOSER LOOK AT THE DESIGN AND ESSENTIALLY ADDED THIS FEATURE WHERE YOU SEE MY CURSOR RIGHT HERE.
AND WHAT THAT ENTAILS IS A, UM, A SIX INCH PERFORATED PIPE THAT'S GOING TO, UH, ALLOW ADDITIONAL WATER TO BE COLLECTED.
AND THAT'S SURROUNDED BY CLEAN STONE.
AND SO THAT WILL ENCOURAGE ADDITIONAL INFILTRATION AND WATER IN THAT AREA TO CONVEY INTO THAT PIPE.
AND THEN IT EVENTUALLY DISCHARGES AT A DAYLIGHT LOCATION, UM, WHERE YOU SEE MY CURSOR CURRENTLY AND THERE'S A RIP ROCK APRON TO DISSIPATE SOME ENERGY THERE.
SO YOU GET, HAVE AN APRON AT THE END OF THE PIPE TOO.
SO OUR INTENT WAS TO, UM, TO FULLY COMPLY WITH YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THAT AND TRYING TO, UM, MAKE THE DESIGN, UM, MUCH BETTER ACCOMMODATE THAT.
ONE OF THE NOTE, UH, THERE WAS A COMMENT IN THE ENGINEERING LETTER THAT CAME IN ON BEHALF OF THE NEIGHBORS WITH, SO IN REVIEWING THAT WITH THE TOWNS BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, THERE WAS A COMMENT IN THERE OF, OF PERCEIVED REQUIREMENT FOR PERCOLATION TEST, UM, PRIOR TO DESIGNING THE SYSTEM AND COMING UP WITH A SYSTEM FOR THE SITE.
THE FACT IS THAT THE CODE DOESN'T REQUIRE A PERCOLATION TEST.
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GIVES THE TOWN'S BUREAU OF ENGINEERING THE ABILITY TO ASK FOR ONE IF THEY FEEL THERE'S A NEED, UM, THAT HASN'T BEEN ASKED FOR AT THIS STAGE.UM, BUT AGAIN, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT CONTROL PERMIT, THE THING IS EVERYTH IN THE FRONT.
THE, THE THING IS THAT THAT, THAT THE TEX AND ARE ALL IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND THEY'RE GONNA BE WITHIN THE FILL AREA.
THE, THIS, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THIS SIDE IS JUST AN IMPROVEMENT.
SO IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PER, YOU DON'T WORRIED ABOUT PERCOLATION.
YOU'RE, COULD BE, YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT JUST SLOWING IT DOWN WITH THE STONES IN THE, IN THE PIPE.
I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THE COMMENT IN THE LETTER.
ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THAT, THAT REALLY CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
I'M GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
UM, WE HAD SOMEBODY, ANYBODY FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE ADD, ASK THE PUBLIC, WE'LL TAKE DOWN THE SHARE SCREEN.
YEAH, WE DON'T NEED THAT UP THERE, I DON'T THINK RIGHT NOW.
UM, ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC IN THE ROOM WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TONIGHT? YES, SIR.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN YOU COME UP, PLEASE.
UH, MY NAME IS, WE'LL WAIT TILL AT THE PODIUM.
AT THE PODIUM 'CAUSE YOU'RE ON TELEVISION.
WE DON'T PROVIDE MAKEUP, HOWEVER.
ACTUALLY, HOLD ON FOR ONE SECOND.
MONA, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? YES.
UM, I MISSED A COMMENT THAT HE WAS SAYING ABOUT WHY THE HAMMERHEAD COULDN'T BE MADE A LITTLE WIDER.
TOWN CODE, MONA, THE TOWN CODE MAXIMUM DRIVEWAY WIDTH IS 30 FEET AND THEY'RE RIGHT AT THAT MAXIMUM.
SO ANY WIDER OR I SEE, THEY WOULD NEED A VARIANCE AND THEY DON'T WANNA GO FOR THAT VARIANT AND SAY TAPE IT.
THEY'RE NOT BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD FOR ANY OTHER MATTER WITH RESPECT TO THIS PROJECT.
SO I DON'T SUPPOSE THAT THEY WOULD WANNA INTRODUCE THEM TO THE BOARD AT THIS.
IT MAY BE SOMETHING THEY COME BACK, IF THEY HAVE TROUBLE TURNING AROUND, LOOK, IT'S IN THEIR BEST INTEREST TO WANT TO TURN AROUND TOO.
YOU DON'T WANNA BACK OUT INTO OLD ARMY ROAD.
UM, SO I I'M SURE AT SOME POINT, YEAH, I AM SURE AT SOME POINT IF, UH, IT'S, IF IT'S PROBLEMATIC, THEY'LL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
BUT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE GONNA SEE IF THIS WILL WORK AND, OKAY.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S JUST SO TIGHT THERE.
DID, WAS THE PUBLIC HEARING OPENED? I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T.
OH, IT WAS OPENED WHEN WE STARTED.
BEFORE THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION.
UM, I'M ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY.
UM, CAN YOU SPELL YOUR LAST NAME FOR THE REPORTER? HOWARD, H O W A R D.
AND I'M SORRY, YOU'RE ON THE NORTH SIDE OR THE SOUTH SIDE? UM, LET'S SEE.
WELL, SO I, I WOULD BE, I WOULD BE NORTHEAST OF IT.
IT'S A ROAD THAT GOES BEHIND ALARM ROAD.
THAT FENCE THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT REMOVING, UM, KIND OF, UH, GOES ALONGSIDE LIKE, IT, IT POINTS TOWARDS MY PROPERTY, THE, THE BOARD OF MY PROPERTY.
UM, AND, AND ACTUALLY SHE, UM, JUDY OVER THERE, JUDY, DEBRA, SHE, UM, LIVES, UM, DIRECTLY BEHIND THE PROPERTY, UM, DIRECTLY DOWNHILL FROM IT.
UM, I, I HAVE SOME PREPARED REMARKS.
I'M JUST GONNA HAVE TO READ 'EM BECAUSE OTHERWISE I'M GONNA LOSE MY PLACE.
UM, BE AGAIN, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, FELLOW CONCERNED RESIDENTS.
I'VE BEEN A GREENBURG RESIDENT IN THE VILLAGE EDGEMONT FOR THE LAST 13 YEARS.
I REPRESENT A COALITION OF NEIGHBORS ON DORIS DRIVE.
SOME OF US ADJOIN THE PRO THE PROPOSED NEW DEVELOPMENT ON OLD ARMY ROAD.
ALL OF US ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL IMPACT OF STORMWATER RUNOFF AS A RESULT OF THIS PROJECT.
UM, WE'RE RESIDENTS AND TAXPAYERS AND ACTIVE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY.
MOST OF US ONLY FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS PROJECT BECAUSE OF A LETTER THAT WE RECEIVED LAST WEEK.
NONE OF US WERE CONTACTED BY THE BUILDERS OR OWNERS ABOUT THIS PLAN.
WE SCRAMBLED AND WE WERE FORTUNATE TO COMMISSION A RESPECT AND WATER ENGINEERING CONSULTANT, MICHAEL STEIN OF HUDSON ENGINEERING TO REVIEW THE PLANS FROM FILE FOR THIS PARCEL.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD RECEIVED A COPY OF THE REPORT YESTERDAY OR EARLIER TODAY.
UM, IF SOMEONE DOESN'T HAVE A COPY, I HAVE A LUDICROUS NUMBER OF COPIES.
IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE ME, WE GET ENOUGH PAPER, WE HAVE IT.
UM, HUDSON ENGINEERING'S CONCLUSION WAS, UM, QUOTE, IN OUR OPINION, THE PROPOSED DESIGN WILL RESULT IN A SUBSTANTIAL DOWNHILL IMPACT WITH RESPECT TO STORM WATER.
THE PLANS DO NOT CONTAIN ADEQUATE INFORMATION TO FULLY ASSESS THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
HUDSON ENGINEERING HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE CHANGE FROM SHEET FLOW STORM WATER DISCHARGE TO A CONCENTRATED POINT ON A STEEP SLOPE DIRECTED TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE NEIGHBORING DOWNHILL PROPERTIES, THEY QUESTION THE PERCOLATION RATES.
UM, THEY STATE THAT THE IMPERVIOUS
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DRIVEWAY CONSTRUCTION WILL ACCELERATE WATER FLOW FASTER THAN THE PLANS MODEL.THE PROPOSED CATCH BASIN IS TOO SMALL, THEIR PUMP IS NOT STRONG ENOUGH.
IF THE GRADE IS TOO SMALL OR IMPAIRED BY DEBRIS OR MALFUNCTION RUNOFF WILL FLOW AROUND THE HOUSE AND ONTO THE NEIGHBORING DOWNHILL PROPERTIES.
THERE ARE MANY MORE POINTS HUDSON MAKES, BUT THE OVERALL ASSESSMENT IS THAT SOME OF THE PLAN'S ASSUMPTIONS ARE ROOTED IN FLAWED DATA, THAT THE PLAN DOES NOT PROVIDE ENOUGH INFORMATION, AND IMPORTANTLY THAT THERE WILL BE SUBSTANTIAL DOWNHILL IMPACT TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
BECAUSE OF THIS CONSTRUCTION, WE, WE WANT THE COMMUNITY TO THRIVE AND GROW JUST AS YOU MEMBERS OF THE BOARD DO.
UM, BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR HOMES AND OUR PROPERTY.
UM, ALLOWING THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW IMPERVIOUS STRUCTURES ON THE RIDGE ABOVE OUR HOMES WITHOUT CAUTIOUS AND THOROUGH STORMWATER ANALYSIS AND MITIGATION ON AN ALREADY PRECARIOUS SYSTEM WOULD BE UNFAIR AND MISGUIDED.
THIS PROJECT CAN'T PROCEED AS IT'S CURRENTLY PROPOSED.
UM, I'M ASKING YOU, PLEASE PROTECT OUR HOMES.
SOMEONE ELSE? HI, I'M JENNIFER FREE.
I'M ACTUALLY REPRESENTING THE EDGEMONT COMMUNITY COUNCIL.
I'M A BOARD MEMBER AND WE'RE JUST ASKING THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE TOWN TO PLEASE WATCH OUT FOR THE RESIDENTS OF DARRIS DRIVE AND EVERYONE FOR THE FLOODING.
UH, WARD DIDN'T EVEN MENTION THAT WE'RE, SOME OF US ARE STILL CLEANING UP FROM A YEAR AGO FROM HURRICANE IDA.
OUR WHOLE ENTIRE BLOCK WAS UNDERWATER.
AND WE'VE ALL THE, THE SLOPE IS VERY STEEP AND WE REALLY WANT YOU TO PLEASE TAKE IN CONSIDERATION AND MAKE SURE THE PLANS BEFORE THEY GO FORWARD, PROTECT ALL THE HOUSES ON DARRIS DRIVE.
UM, ARE YOU ON DORIS DRIVE? I AM.
I ACTUALLY LIVE AT NINE DARRIS DRIVE.
ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? YES.
UH, THIS IS, HOLD ON, MITCHELL.
I, ANYBODY ELSE IN THE LIVE AUDIENCE LIKE TO SPEAK? YES.
NO, TO THE AUDIENCE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? I'M NOT PREPARED, BUT I'M SURE YOU DON'T HAVE TO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK THE OPPORTUNITY.
ALTERNATIVELY, YOU CAN INDICATE THAT YOU AGREE WITH WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN EXPRESSED.
I'M JUDY, NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I'M JUDY DEBO AND I AM AT 28 DORIS DRIVE.
AND WHEN I FIRST MOVED INTO THIS HOUSE 44 YEARS AGO, SO I'M LIVING IN EDGEMONT FOR A WHILE, WE DID WATERPROOFING ALL AROUND OUR FOUNDATION.
AND AT THAT TIME WE WERE ALLOWED TO PUT THE DRAIN INTO THE CATCH BASIN IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
I HAVE NOT HAD WATER PROBLEMS, PERIOD.
WHAT I DO GET IS WHEN GROUND, WHEN YOU GET A LOT OF RAIN, AND WE DO HAVE CLIMATE CHANGE, WHICH IS SOMETHING YOU REALLY HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
GROUND GROUNDWATER COMES UP, IT COMES UP IN MY GARAGE AND IT COMES UP IN MY CRAWL SPACE, BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T COME UP IN MY HOUSE.
I DON'T HAVE WATER COMING IN AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.
I REALLY THINK YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER MORE DRAINAGE ABATEMENT.
I MEAN, IF YOU ARE RELEASING THAT WATER DOWNHILL AND WATER DOES GO DOWNHILL, THEN YOU'RE GONNA CAUSE EROSION ON MY PROPERTY.
AND NOT ONLY THAT, THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY SLANTS TOWARDS ROY'S PROPERTY AND WE HAVE A NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER SIDE, AND WE HAVE ALL DONE OUR BEST TO TRY TO MITIGATE THE FLOW OF WATER.
AND I MEAN, I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE VERY UNFAIR TO ADD MORE WATER DRAINAGE COMING DOWN, WHICH MIGHT CAUSE EROSION.
AND WHERE AM I THEN? NOT JUST ME.
IF YOU THINK THE WATER STOPS AT THE EDGE OF MY PROPERTY, PEOPLE ON THE ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET HAVE WATER PROBLEMS. I MEAN, THE STREET IS DOWN.
SO WE REALLY NEED TO CAREFULLY CONSIDER WHERE THE DRAINAGE IS GONNA GO FROM THIS HOUSE.
I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE HOUSE.
I WILL MISS THAT STONE FENCE IN THE BACK.
UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE TWO, I HAVE ONE BETWEEN MY, THE
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PROPERTY I USE AND MY BACK LOT.BUT, UM, IF YOU WANT SOME MORE STONES,
I GUESS WE HAVE, UH, SOMEONE WHO IS WE'VE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE STUDIO AUDIENCE? NO.
HEY, HOW ARE YOU? GOOD, HOW ARE YOU? I'M, I'M THE NEIGHBOR AT ONE 90, WHICH IS THE NORTHERN NEIGHBOR, ONE 90 OLD ARMY.
I'M THE ONE IN THE HISTORIC HOUSE.
UM, THE, THE CONCERN I HAD WAS I, I OBVIOUSLY, I I, I SYMPATHIZED WITH THOSE ON DORIS WHO ARE DOWNHILL.
I'M NOT DOWNHILL, SO I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT FROM MY ANGLE, THE, THE, THE WATER OR ANYTHING THAT, BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE FENCE THAT I, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THEY WOULD BE TAKING DOWN THE FENCE THAT ABUTS, UH, OUR PROPERTIES.
UM, THE, THE PLANS THAT I HAVE FOR MY HOUSE SHOW IT ON MY PROPERTY.
AND I, I, I, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE A SURVEY AND I DON'T, I DON'T, I'M NOT GONNA DEBATE THAT, BUT IT, THE FENCE IS, IS THE SAME FENCE THAT I HAVE THAT GOES AROUND MY ENTIRE PROPERTY, AND YET IT SHOWS IT BEING TAKEN DOWN.
UH, AND THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE DOGS AND I, I, WE USE THAT FENCE.
I'VE GOT, UM, ALL KINDS OF PLANTINGS THAT GO ALONG THE FENCE.
I, I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN DOWN.
IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT DOES ANYTHING TO YOUR PLANS.
UM, I, IF YOU TAKE IT DOWN, MY, MY INCLINATION IS TO PUT UP A NEW FENCE.
SO I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT WE WOULD ACCOMPLISH THERE.
UM, I, I, SO I, I GUESS I, I QUESTION AS TO WHETHER YOU NEED TO TAKE IT DOWN AND WHETHER IT CAN JUST STAY AS IS AND YOU CAN CONTINUE WITH YOUR PLANS AS THEY ARE.
WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THAT.
ANYBODY ELSE ON ZOOM BEFORE WE ASK THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS? IS THERE ANYONE ELSE ON THE ZOOM MEETING THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT? NOW WOULD BE THE TIME YOU CAN USE THE RAISE HAND FUNCTION.
BARBARA, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY? SHE WANTS TO GO HOME, SO LET'S, LET'S KEEP, WE KEEP GOING.
I WOULD, IF I MAY, BEFORE THE, 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA ASK THE APPLICANT TO BRIEFLY RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS THAT CAME UP.
I JUST WANT TO INDICATE THAT, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING AND I WOULD EXPECT THE APPLICANT TO RESPOND, UM, THAT, UH, THE TOWN CODE REQUIREMENT IS A 25 YEAR STORM EVENT TO DESIGN FOR THAT.
I BELIEVE YOU'VE DESIGNED BEYOND THAT.
SO WE'LL WANT YOU TO SPEAK TO THAT.
UM, ALSO TO REMIND THE PUBLIC THAT AS PART OF, AND I I MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, IF THIS PROJECT MOVES BEYOND THE PLANNING BOARD PHASE AND TOWARD A BUILDING PERMIT PHASE, THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO SUBMIT A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT CONTROL PERMIT APPLICATION BY ITS PROJECT ENGINEER TO THE TOWN ENGINEER TO REVIEW ALL THE CALCULATIONS AND DETERMINE COMPLIANCE WITH THE ACTUAL FINAL DESIGN AND ALL THOSE CALCULATIONS BEFORE IT CAN MOVE ON TO THE BUILDING PERMIT PHASE.
THAT INFORMATION IS ALL PUBLIC INFORMATION.
AND IF YOU WANT YOUR ENGINEER THAT YOU'VE BROUGHT ABOARD TO REVIEW THAT APPLICATION AND POTENTIALLY OPINE ON IT, IT'S CERTAINLY FOIL ABLE INFORMATION.
AND WE'VE MADE, I WOULDN'T EVEN MAKE IT FOIL.
I MEAN THEY NEXT DOOR WE'VE, WE'VE, WE CAN PROVIDE, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, THAT INFORMATION CAN BE MADE AVAILABLE TO YOUR DESIGN PROFESSIONAL.
DON'T TO REVIEW, DON'T MAKE YOU GO THROUGH FOIL.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT'S AVAILABLE AND I WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT.
I WANNA SAY, CAN I JUST SAY ONE THING? SURE.
ISN'T IT THE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF RUNOFF THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE IT YES.
ZERO CHANGE OR IMPROVE IT? NO INCREASE.
THAT'S THE STANDARD THAT WE ARE, WELL, LET, LET ME JUST SAY A COUPLE THINGS.
ONE OF THE THINGS IS THIS BOARD HAS BASICALLY CHANGED THE RULES VERSUS THE CODE BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND A 25 YEAR STORM COMES LIKE EVERY YEAR NOW.
AND, AND WE KNOW THAT, AND ACTUALLY I CAN TELL YOU THIS APPLICANT BEFORE WE EVEN ASK THEM TO DO IT AT A 50 YEAR STORM, DID IT AT A 50 YEAR STORM.
SO GET, GET, GOTTA GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR THAT.
THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY IS WE JUST GOT MR. STEIN'S, UH, NOTE TODAY.
IT'S, IT'S HARD FOR THE APPLICANT TO RESPOND TONIGHT TO IT.
IT'S ALSO, UH, I WOULD LIKE OUR ENGINEER, OUR TOWN ENGINEER AREA DEPARTMENT TO LOOK AT IT.
BELIEVE ME, THE BIGGEST CONCERN THAT WE'VE HAD FROM THE BEGINNING IS, IS DRAINAGE ON THIS PARTICULAR, ON THE PARTICULAR SITE.
WHICH IS WHY WE ADDED THE TRENCH DRAIN ON THE SIDE THAT WASN'T THERE.
BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONLY ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF RUNOFF, IT'S THE DIRECTION OF THE RUNOFF.
SOMETIMES YOU CAN ACTUALLY LOWER THE RUNOFF IN TOTAL, BUT REDIRECT IT SO IT'S WORSE FOR SOMEBODY THAN BEFORE, EVEN THOUGH TECHNICALLY IT'S LESS.
AND WE KNEW THAT AND THEY, THEY DID RESPOND TO THAT.
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YOU, WE KNOW HOW HUDSON ENGINEERING, THEY'VE BEEN BEFORE OUR BOARD, BEFORE.THEY'RE A REPUTABLE FIRM AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS IN THERE.
AND THAT, I PROMISE YOU THAT WILL BE DONE BEFORE THIS, THIS IS LOADED ON.
BUT I WILL LET YOU ADDRESS BOTH COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE.
ONE ABOUT THE FENCE AND ALSO IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE DRAINAGE AND WHERE THE WATER IS GOING.
UM, I'D LIKE TO JUST FIRST START WITH THE, THE COMMENT ABOUT THE FENCE.
UH, SO MY, MY RESPONSE IS THAT THE, UH, THE SURVEY WAS PREPARED, UM, THIS YEAR AND IT WAS, UM, THE BOUNDARY WAS CERTIFIED BY A LICENSED SURVEYOR IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK.
AND THAT SURVEY, UM, HAS BEEN TRANSPOSED INTO THIS EXISTING CONDITIONS PLAN.
AND IT DOES SHOW THE STOCKADE FENCE ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND THE REASON FOR THE FENCE BEING REMOVED IS TO, UH, ACCOMMODATE THE, UH, LANDSCAPING AND THE WALL THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED IN THAT AREA.
UM, I KNOW THAT YOU MAY MENTION THAT THE, THE FENCE IS USED, UM, PARTIALLY, UM, UH, TO, TO OUT OUTLINE THE BOUNDARY OF YOUR PROPERTY AND, AND, UM, I THINK THE WALL AND THE PROPOSED FENCE WILL KIND OF STILL GIVE YOU THAT SAME EFFECT.
UM, BUT THE NEW, THE, THE, UM, THE FENCE IS BEING REMOVED TO ACCOMMODATE THE WALL THAT'S BEING PROPOSED AS WELL AS THE, UM, THE LANDSCAPING.
SO WHAT IS THE FENCE THAT'S GOING TO BE ON TOP OF THE WALL? HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE, HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO THE FENCES THERE NOW? SO THE EXISTING FENCE, UM, TO MY RECOLLECTION IS A STOCK GATE FENCE.
UH, WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING IS A HORIZONTAL WOOD STOCKADE FENCE THAT IS MOUNTED ON TOP OF THE, THE RETAINING WALL, AS YOU CAN SEE IN, UM, THE PLAN THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW.
SO WHERE MY CURSOR IS THAT THAT FENCE IS PROPOSED RIGHT AT THE TOP OF THAT, UM, THAT WALL THERE.
W WOULD IT, WOULD IT BE ACCURATE TO SAY THAT THE LANDSCAPING THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING BETWEEN THE WALL AND THE PROPERTY LINE, IF THE FENCE IS REMOVED, THAT'S MORE OR LESS ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE? I THINK THE NEIGHBOR SAID THAT THEY HAVE VEGETATION ON THEIR SIDE OF THE FENCE AND YOU WOULD HAVE VEGETATION.
SO THERE'D BE KIND OF LIKE A ADULT.
THE ISSUE I HEARD, HEARD WAS DIFFERENT WAS THEY HAVE ANIMALS.
THEY, IT WAS FOR CONTAIN, THEY WERE ACTUALLY USING THAT FENCE FOR CONTAINMENT OF THEIR DOG RIGHT NOW.
UM, FIRST I WAS JUST ASKING, I DO WANNA MAKE ONE POINT.
WE CAN'T, IF THERE ISN'T A DISPUTE ABOUT PROPERTY LINE, WE, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THIS PLANNING BOARD HAS ANY JURISDICTION OVER.
THAT'S SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THROUGH YOUR ATTOR, YOUR ATTORNEY.
I'D GO TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, GET, GET THE CARDS, AND, AND SEE IF THERE'S A CONFLICT JUST TO BE SURE.
AND YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, HE, I'M SURE HE HAS A, UH, HE PROBABLY HAS A, A CERTIFIED THING THAT SHOWS IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME, BY THE WAY.
UM, DEPENDS ON WHAT THE SURVEY WAS DONE.
WE'VE HAD THOSE ISSUES ALL OVER TOWN.
SO I, WE, YOU MAY WANT TO CONFIRM THE PROPERTY LINE BEFORE YOU DO THAT.
UM, SO, SO THE EXISTING FENCE HAS TO BE TAKEN DOWN IN ORDER FOR YOU TO BUILD WHAT? THE RETAINING WALL? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, AND THEN YOU'VE GOTTA PUT ANOTHER FENCE ON TOP.
I MEAN, LOOK, MY SUGGESTION IS THIS, YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A FENCE.
WHY DON'T YOU WORK WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR WHO WE JUST SAW ON THE SCREEN, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE KIND OF FENCE, YOU KNOW WHAT HE NEEDS TO KEEP HIS DOGS FROM RUNNING AROUND.
I MEAN, I WOULD THINK THAT YOU AND HE COULD WORK IT OUT.
YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A FENCE ANYWAY.
WE'RE PROBABLY NOT EVEN TALKING ON A COST ISSUE TO TRY TO MAKE IT MATCH.
OR THE OTHER THING THAT I THOUGHT OF, THANK YOU, MICHAEL FOR THAT, IS COULD YOU MOVE THE FENCE TWO FEET TOWARDS HIS PROPERTY? WOULD THAT, WELL, IF WE DID MOVE THE FENCE TWO FEET TOWARDS ITS PROPERTY, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE ON THE, THE LOW SIDE OF THE WALL.
AND SO THAT WOULD NOT GIVE THE, UM, THE RIGHT, IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T PROVIDE THE, UM, THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY WITH THE LEVEL OF PRIVACY THEY WERE LOOKING FOR.
AND THE ONE THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS ALSO THAT, UM, OUR, OUR CLIENT IS ACTUALLY VERY DILIGENT AND THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME PLANNING OUT THE EXACT STYLE OF THE FENCE THAT THEY WERE PROPO THEY WERE LOOKING TO PROPOSE ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, DID A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THAT AND THEN CAME TO THE CONCLUSION OF THIS HORIZONTAL, UH, STOCK AID STYLE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'D BE GLAD TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE ADJACENT OWNER, UM, TO FURTHER EXPLAIN THEIR INTENTION.
BUT, UM, OUR, OUR CLIENT IS VERY PARTICULAR ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT WHAT, WHAT MR. GOLDEN HAS SUGGESTED TO YOU IS SOMETHING THAT WE ACTUALLY, UH, ASK, ASK VIRTUALLY EVERY APPLICANT TO DO, TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS.
THEY'RE GONNA BE LIVING NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
SEE IF YOU CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT.
IT'S A, IT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST TO TRY TO DO THAT.
WE'D BE GLAD TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE NEIGHBOR.
HE, HE SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE GUY.
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IN PLACE.HE MAY BE HAPPY WITH WHAT YOU'VE SHOW HIM WHAT THE FENCE LOOKS LIKE.
SEE IF, SEE IF HE CAN LIVE WITH THAT.
OR MAYBE YOU COME UP WITH A COMPROMISE.
MICHAEL, THANK YOU FOR THAT SUGGESTION.
OKAY, ANYTHING ELSE IN TERMS OF RESPONSE? I HAVE MY HANDS UP.
WALTER, HANG OFF FOR ONE SECOND.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE I GO TO MR. SIMON? SURE.
AND THEN I'LL JUST BRIEFLY ADDRESS THE COMMENT, UM, THAT THE NEIGHBOR SHARED ABOUT THE, THE CONCERNS WITH THE STORMWATER.
UH, WE DID RECEIVE THE LETTER THIS MORNING AND WE DID HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT.
UM, WE'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE AMPLE TIME TO GO THROUGH IT IN DETAIL.
UM, BUT OUR INTENTION IS TO, UM, GO THROUGH THE LETTER AND, UM, AND ESSENTIALLY CONFIRM WITH THE TOWN ENGINEER THAT OUR DESIGN IS, IS GONNA COMPLY WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT THEY'D BE LOOKING FOR TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION.
SO, UM, TO AARON'S POINT, I THINK, UM, OUR INTENT, OUR INTENT WOULD BE TO TAKE THOSE COMMENTS INTO CONSIDERATION AND THEN WORK ON A FINAL RESOLUTION OF THE DESIGN WITH THE TOWN ENGINEER.
I UNDERSTAND WE DIDN'T HAVE REAL TIME TO REACT TO THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY WE LIKE LETTERS TO BE IN A WEEK BEFORE MEETING, MEANING GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO, TO REACT IN OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
MR. SIMON, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? YOU CAN TAKE DOWN THE POINT.
UM, IT'S, IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT, UH, MIKE SAID, BUT IT'S EVEN, UM, MORE BASIC.
UH, UH, THE APPLICANT INDICATED THAT THE, UH, THAT THE CLIENT HAD A PARTICULAR STYLE OF FENCE AND THAT HE MIGHT WANT TO STAY WITH THAT STYLE.
WELL, WHAT I THINK THE BASIC QUESTION, HOW HIGH IS THE CURRENT FENCE, UH, WITH THE CURRENT NEIGHBOR WHO SPOKE ABOUT THE FENCE, WHO BE HE BELIEVES IS FRONT IS PROBABLY, HOW HIGH IS THAT FENCE AND HOW HIGH IS THE WALL AND THE FENCE PROPOSED? IF THE WALL AND THE FENCE BEING PROPOSED IS AT LEAST AS HIGH AS THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR'S FENCE, THEN HE, YOU KNOW, THEN THAT SERVES HIS PURPOSE.
HIS DOOR WOULD BE PROPERLY, UH, UH, UH, CONTAINED AND THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE THE FENCE OF HIS DESIGN.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE IN THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPOSED FENCE, UH, UH, UH, WALL AND FENCE AND THE CURRENT NEIGHBOR'S FENCE? YES, MR. SIMON.
SO IN RESPONSE, THIS PICTURE YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE IS, IS BASICALLY TAKEN AT THE POINT WHERE THAT FENCE TERMINATES, UH, VERY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
IT LOOKS TO ME THAT THIS IS APPROXIMATELY FIVE TO SIX FEET IN THE HEIGHT.
UM, MY, MY RESPONSE IS THAT I THINK THAT THE, THAT THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR IS GONNA HAVE, UH, A VERY SIMILAR, UM, ENCLOSURE STYLE, UH, TO THE CURRENT CONDITION.
UM, AND I THINK THE WALL'S REALLY GONNA PROVIDE HIM, UH, THAT AND AS WELL ON TOP OF THE WALL THERE IS THE STOCKADE FENCE TOO.
UM, AND THEN WHAT I DID NOT POINT OUT IS THAT, UM, BEAR WITH ME FOR A MOMENT HERE.
THE FENCE, THE STOCKADE FENCE TERMINATES AT THE, THE END OF THE WALL, BUT THEN THE, THE NEW NEIGHBORS COMING IN OR PROPOSING A FENCE THAT CONTINUES ALONG, UM, THE PROPERTY LINE IN THE REAR.
SO HE WILL HAVE A, A BOUNDARY FOR, UM, HIS DOGS.
UM, AND HOPEFULLY THAT CAN ADDRESS HIS CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PROTECTING THE DOGS FROM GOING ON THE OTHER PROPERTY AS THIS, AS I, AS I SAID BEFORE, SHOW IT TO HIM.
WALTER, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENT? NO.
MONA, DO I, IT'S HARD FOR US TO SEE YOU.
SO, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY BEFORE WE GO ON? NO, I'M GOOD.
ANYBODY ELSE IN THE BOARD OR ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC? CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION VERY BRIEFLY? YES.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE ON TELEVISION.
I TAUGHT EARTH SCIENCE, SO I'M NOT UNAWARE.
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IN A PERFORATED PIPE SURROUNDED BY GRAVEL.
WHERE IS THAT GOING TO DRAIN TO? THAT'S ALL MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT GOING BACK OR IS THAT GONNA GO FULL? THE INTENT IS FOR THAT.
WE HAVE TO DO THAT AT THE MIC.
WE HAVE TO
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THERE'S A RIP WRAP APRON, WHICH IS BASICALLY A ROCK, UM, APRON AT THAT LOCATION TO SLOW DOWN THE WATER AS IT EXITS THAT PIPE.
SO WE DID CONSIDER THAT AS PART OF THE DESIGN.
IT'S NOT EVEN SUPPOSED TO GET INTO, AND IT'S PERFORATED PIPE BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT THEY DID, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY OUR, THE BOARD THAT REQUESTED THIS ORIGINALLY, I WAS CONCERNED BECAUSE THEY WERE RAISING THE, THE FRONT,
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FRONT YARD UP TO STREET LEVEL.AND I WAS WORRIED ABOUT THE SLOPE ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
THAT'S HOW THIS CAME UP IN THE BEGINNING.
FIRST OF ALL, THE SLOPE ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE IS NOT ALL THAT HIGH BECAUSE IT JUST DROPS DOWN AND THEN IT'S, IT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S ABOUT 10% WE FIGURED OUT YEAH, IT'S ABOUT 10, 10% JUST A SIDE VIEW OF IT, OF IT, IT'S ABOUT 10%.
IT'S NOT A REAL STEEP SLOPE AS YOU GO BY THE HOUSE.
BUT I WAS STILL CONCERNED BECAUSE OF THE DIRECTION GOING TOWARDS YOU GUYS.
SO WHAT THEY DID, DID IS THEY'RE PUTTING IN WHAT IT'S ESSENTIALLY LOOKS LIKE A FRENCH STRAIN.
THEY'RE PUTTING IN, PUTTING THE ROCKS IN.
SO, WHICH WILL SLOW THE WATER DOWN.
IT'LL, IT'LL, IT'LL KEEP SOME OF THE WATER THERE AND SLOWLY PERCOLATE INTO THAT, THAT PERFORATED PIPE.
AND EVEN AT THE END OF THE PER PERFORATED PIPE, AND THEY CAN WORK ON THIS, MAYBE THE ENGINEER, THEY MAY, THEY MAY DECIDE TO BEEF IT UP AT THE END OF THE, PER, PER PERFORATED PIPE POSSIBLY SO THAT THERE'S MORE IT CATCH, IT SLOWS IT DOWN ONE MORE TIME.
SO THE WHOLE IDEA IS IN, IN TERMS OF THE OTHER WATER, EVERYTHING, ALL THE WATER COMING OFF THE HOUSE ALL GOES THROUGH THE FRONT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT.
YES, THE CALL TEXTS ARE IN THE FRONT.
NOT IN THE BACK, WHICH AGAIN IS GOOD 'CAUSE IT'S DIRECT TO THE WATER IN THE DIRECTION YOU WANTED TO GO.
BUT AGAIN, YOU, YOU HAD, YOU, YOU HAD AN ENGINEER.
AND BY THE WAY, AGAIN, WE LOVE WHEN THE, WHEN WHEN, UH, THE PUBLIC HAS A CONCERN LIKE THAT AND ACTUALLY BRINGS IN HARD, HARD, HARD COMMENT FROM AN EXPERT AND SOMETHING WE TAKE SERIOUSLY.
SO GIVE BOTH THE APPLICANT AND OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT.
THERE MAY BE A DISCUSSION WITH THE ENGINEER AT SOME POINT, IF POSSIBLE.
WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT.
AND THERE MAY BE MAYBE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT BEEFED UP SOLUTION THAT WILL MAKE EVERYBODY COMFORTABLE.
ONCE THEY, THEY DESCRIBE THE WHOLE SYSTEM.
BUT WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD YOU, THEY'VE HEARD YOU AND IT WILL BE ADDRESSED.
AND I'D JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY MY RESPONSE THAT THE WATER FROM THE, THE HOUSE AND THE DRIVEWAY, EVERYTHING IS DIRECTED TO THE, UH, THE SYSTEM THAT'S IN THE FRONT YARD, WHICH IS THE DRYWALL SYSTEM.
SO THERE'S STONE AND DRY WELLS IN THAT LOCATION.
AND THE INTENT IS FOR IT TO SLOW DOWN THE WATER SO THAT IT GOES OUT, THAT PIPE, UM, SLOWER THAN THE EXISTING CONDITION DOES IT.
THE ONE ON THE SIDE, HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE SIDE, THE DRAINAGE ON THE SIDE.
'CAUSE THAT WASN'T GOING DOWN THE HILL WAS NOT ALL, ALL THE RUNOFF COMING OFF THE IMPROVED PART OF THE PROPERTY WAS GOING TO THE FRONT.
THE PROBLEM WAS YOU STILL HAVE THIS SLOPE ON THE SIDE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I, WHAT WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT AND THAT'S WHAT THEY ADDRESSED WITH THIS.
SO IT'S MEANT TO SLOW DOWN, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN NATURAL DRAINAGE.
NOW IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, 'CAUSE THERE WEREN'T ANY TREES HERE OR ANYTHING THAT, THE WONDERFUL THING IS THEY'RE NOT TAKING DOWN A LOT OF STUFF STUFF AND NOT TAKING DOWN ANYTHING.
THERE'S TWO THERE, THE ROAD, THE TWO TREES JUST DOWN THE ROAD.
SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S VERY HELPFUL.
WHICH YOU DON'T ALWAYS SEE WITH A DEVELOPER.
BUT AGAIN, WE WILL CHECK THAT OUT AND MAKE SURE THAT, THAT ISN'T, THAT PIPE IS IN A PIPELINE TO JUST DIRECT THINGS INTO YOUR BASEMENT.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE OBJECTIVE, JUST THE OPPOSITE OF THAT.
UM, SO I THINK, I'M TRYING TO DECIDE, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, DO WE WANT TO CLOSE THIS OR JUST, I WOULD BE OPEN TO BE A LITTLE CREATIVE HERE POTENTIALLY BECAUSE I, I DO WANT TO HEAR, I DO WANNA RESOLVE THE COMMENTS THAT WE GOT FROM HUDSON ENGINEERING TODAY.
THEY'RE RESOLVABLE WHEN THE ENGINEERS PUT THEIR HEAD TOGETHER, THE QUESTION IS, SHOULD WE LEAVE THAT OPEN AS A PUBLIC HEARING OR JUST DO THAT IN A DECISION? WHAT DO PEOPLE THINK? DO IT IN THE, IN THE DECISION.
SO WE'LL DO IT IN THE DECISION.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SET, SET IT DOWN FOR, YOU KNOW, NEXT WORKING SESSION.
IF WE HAVE THE ANSWER BY THEN WE CAN GO AHEAD.
IF WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER, WE'RE GONNA DRINK.
SO LET'S, LET'S CLOSE, I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
KEEP THE RECORD OPEN TILL SEPTEMBER THE 28TH.
AND THEN WE'LL TRY TO SET A WORK SESSION.
CAN I HAVE THAT MOTION? HE'S REALLY BAD AT REMEMBERING MOTIONS, LESLIE.
SO CAN YOU DO IT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO RESTATE IT.
SO WE'LL TENTATIVELY SEE YOU AS LONG AS THINGS ARE, WE GET THE INFORMATION WE NEED ON THE THIRD FOR DECISION.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANNA SUBMIT IN MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC BY THE 28TH, THE END OF DAY APPLICANT, SAME THING.
IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO ADD SOONER THE BETTER, BUT BY NO LATER THAN THE 28TH, WE CAN ARRANGE FOR A MEETING WITH THE TOWN'S BUREAU OF ENGINEERING AS WELL IF NECESSARY.
UM, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO HELP US COORDINATE WITH THE NEIGHBOR TO GET, UH, THE APPLICANT AND THE NEIGHBOR TOGETHER TO DISCUSS THE FENCE? YES, SURE.
MAYBE HE COULD CONTACT YOU AND THEN YOU COULD CONTACT US AND WE CAN GET TOGETHER.
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WE HAVE CONTACT INFORMATION SO WE CAN DEFINITELY COORDINATE THAT.SO WE, OKAY, WE'VE GOT ONE MORE.
WE'VE STILL GET SCAR SET GOLF CLUB.
RIGHT? SO WALTER'S GONNA YELL AT ME TONIGHT.
I THINK IT'S WALTER'S FAULT, I THINK IT IS TOO.
BUT THAT, BESIDES THE POINT, I'M NOT EVEN, WE, UH, WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS EVENING AND THAT IS, UH, CASE NUMBER 21 35, 21 35 SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB RELATES TO A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
AND WE HAVE THE APPLICANT'S TEAM IN PERSON.
UH, IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU IN PERSON, SIR.
UM, UH, JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND FOR THE PUBLIC, WHOEVER'S WATCHING ON TV, 'CAUSE MOST OF THE PUBLIC HAS SEEMED TO LEAVE.
UM, WE'VE OBVIOUSLY SEEN THIS PROJECT SEVERAL TIMES.
UM, THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY A CONTROVERSY ABOUT THE NETTING ON THE, UH, SIDE BY HARTSDALE AVENUE, UH, THAT YOU HAVE DECIDED AT LEAST FOR THE MOMENT TO REMOVE THAT FROM THE APPLICATION.
AND ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW IS A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, WHICH IS RELATED TO THE BUBBLE, I BELIEVE.
UM, AND THEY HAD TO GO TO THE, YOU HAD TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR WHAT VARIANCE? YES.
UH, WE'VE ACTUALLY RECEIVED MULTIPLE VARIANCES, MULTIPLE AS OF LAST WEEK, AS WELL AS A NEGATIVE DECLARATION FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
WHAT DID, WAS THIS WE, WE PUT SEEKER ON THE ZONING BOARD ON THIS ONE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY SEEKER.
SO WHAT I WOULD DO IS JUST DESCRIBE WHAT THE PROJECT IS BRIEFLY NOW.
VERY BRIEFLY, PLEASE
UH, SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME'S STEVE RAB.
I'M WITH THE LAW FIRM, MCCULLOCH GOLDBERG AND STOUT I HAVE WITH ME ZACH PEARSON, OUR CIVIL FROM INSIDE ENGINEERING, AS WELL AS BILL MENARD, THE MANAGER OF THE GOLF CLUB.
UH, SO TO PUT IT AS QUICKLY AS I CAN, THERE ARE FUNDAMENTALLY TWO, UH, ELEMENTS OF WHAT THE CLUB IS PROPOSING.
UH, A PROPOSED SEASONAL ENCLOSURE OVER TWO OF THEIR EXISTING TENNIS COURTS, WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF YOUR SLOPE PERMIT REVIEW THAT HAS, UH, WITH IT SOME, UH, PROPOSED EMERGENCY ACCESS, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, ACCESS FOR THOSE WITH DISABILITIES.
UM, AND THEN, UH, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COURSE, SOME NETTING ALONG THE 16TH GREEN, WHICH DOES NOT QUALIFY FOR ANY STEEP SLOPE PERMIT REVIEW.
SO, AND WAS NON-CONTROVERSIAL, AS I UNDERSTAND WITH THE NEIGHBOR.
UH, THE NEIGHBOR DID AS WE DON'T EVEN NEED YEAH, WE, WE WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO IT.
THAT'S NOT PART OF WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
DON'T
SO, UH, THE, THE SLOPES REALLY, I, I I WOULD SAY BY AND LARGE ARE DRIVEN BY THE NEEDS FOR THE ACCESS DOWN THE HILL TO GET TO THE EXISTING COURTS.
IT'S THE EMERGENCY ACCESS WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND, AND BY THE WAY, THAT'S IMPROVING ACCESS FOR THOSE WITH DISABILITY TO THE COURTS YEAR ROUND, NOT JUST FOR THE ENCLOSURE.
UH, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY HAPPY TO HAVE ZACH WALK YOU THROUGH THE SLOPES AND THE MITIGATION, OR IF YOU'D LIKE ME, US, TO KEEP IT VERY BRIEF, WE COULD GO STRAIGHT TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHATEVER THE BOARD PREFERS, I I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO DISPLAY THE SLOPE PLAN AND IDENTIFY THE LOCATIONS THAT ARE TO BE DISTURBED FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC.
ZACH, TRY, TRY TO BE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE HERE.
SO CAN YOU ALL SEE THE SCREEN? YES.
SO THE, UH, THIS IS THE LOCATION.
STEVE IS DISCUSSING LOCATION OF THE TENNIS COURT ENCLOSURE.
UM, THE RED LINE YOU CAN SEE ON THE PLAN IS THE LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE.
UM, INSIDE OF THAT YOU CAN SEE THE SLOPES WHICH ARE SHADED.
UM, AS STEVE WAS DISCUSSING THIS, THIS AREA OVER HERE, THAT'S THE FIRE AXIS.
WE REGRADED THIS AREA, BROUGHT THE LOWER COURT UP.
SO YOU HAVE SOME STEEP SLOPES, DISTURBANCE IN THIS LOCATION.
AND THEN WE HAVE HANDICAP PARKING HERE.
AND THEN THIS IS THE A D A RAMP SYSTEM THAT GETS US DOWN TO THE COURT LOCATION.
SO ESSENTIALLY YOUR, YOUR, YOUR STEEP SLOPES DISTURBANCE ARE FOR THIS FIRE ACCESS, UM, FOR PORTION OF OUR STORMWATER.
THERE'S A LITTLE DROP HERE IN THE COURTS, UM, AND FOR THE A D A ACCESS.
AND, AND WHAT WAS THE, HOW STEEP WERE THE SLOPES THAT WERE AFFECTING? I CAN ZOOM IN ON THE TABLE.
UM, IT, I HAVE IT AS 1096 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE, 15 TO 25, 1,320 FROM 25 TO 35.
SEE THAT? AND ABOUT 2000 SQUARE FEET OF 35 PLUS.
AND WAS THERE ANY DRAIN, WAS THERE ANY DRAINAGE INVOLVED IN, UH, AFTERWARDS? ANY, ANY DRAINAGE CHANGES THAT
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NO, NO.WE HAD WORKED THAT OUT WITH, WITH STAFF BACK WHEN WE WERE, WENT TO THE Z B A INITIALLY.
THEY WERE HAPPY WITH, THERE HAS BEEN COORDINATION WITH THE TOWN STAFF THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
I HAVEN'T PERSONALLY BEEN INVOLVED, BUT, UH, WITH THE TOWNS BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, THE COMMISSIONER OF PLANNING AS WELL.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NO.
WALTER OR MONA? ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I SEE, I SEE WALTER SHAKING.
UH, ANYBODY FROM THE STOP SHARE? YEAH, WE'RE GOOD.
ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM.
COME ON TO THE, TO THE MIC PLEASE AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I HAVEN'T MET ANY OF YOU BEFORE.
IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU AND YOU ON THE SCREEN.
UM, I I'M ACTUALLY AN ATTORNEY ADDRESS.
I'M AN ATTORNEY REPRESENTING ONE 20 EAST HARTSDALE, A CO-OP BOARD WITH OVER 200, APPROXIMATELY 200 RESIDENTS IN THE TOWN OF HARTS, UM, IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
UM, THEY LIVE AT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE GOLF COURSE AND THEY, UM, I'M HERE TO OPPOSE THIS APPLICATION, ASK THAT YOU DENY IT FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.
UM, YOU'VE ALREADY JUST, UH, HEARD HOW MUCH STO UH, STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE THERE'S GONNA BE.
RIGHT? SO THERE'S GONNA BE 2000, 1,015 TO 25, MORE THAN A THOUSAND BETWEEN 15 AND 25%, AND OVER 2000 SQUARE FEET, OVER 35% OF THE STEEP SLOPE.
BUT IN ADDITION, THEY'RE ALSO ASKING TO REMOVE EIGHT TREES, MANY ON THOSE SLOPES, INCLUDING VERY LARGE TREES.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE IS A 36 INCH PINE DIAMETER, ANOTHER IS A 48 INCH MAPLE.
THE COMBINATION OF THESE SLOPES PLUS THE TREE REMOVAL, PLUS THE VARIANCE THEY GOT IS GONNA REALLY CREATE A FLOODING PROBLEM AND INCREASE WHAT IS ALREADY A FLOODING ISSUE IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
THE STEEP SLOPES, WHICH YOU SAW ON THE MAP, ARE IMMEDIATELY, IMMEDIATELY AROUND THE CORNER TO, SO IF YOU'RE FACING THE MAP IMMEDIATELY TO THE RIGHT, THAT'S WHERE THE APPLICANT GOT A VARIANCE TO HAVE THE TENNIS ENCLOSURE WITHIN SIX FEET OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
THAT PROPERTY IS AT A HIGHER ELEVATION THAN THE PUBLIC PARKING DISTRICT BELOW IT.
SO ALL OF THESE STEEP SLOPES GO INTO THE PARKING DISTRICT AS WELL AS INTO THE FRONT OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY WHERE THE CARS DRIVE UP.
SO ALSO SOME OTHER FACTS ABOUT THIS LOCATION.
THIS LOCATION IS ALSO IN BETWEEN TWO CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS.
THE FLOOD PLAINS SURROUNDING HARTSDALE LAKE ON THE GOLF COURSE, WHICH FLOODS AND DOWNSTREAM OF THESE VERY STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE IS THE BRONX RIVER, WHICH IS ALSO A CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AREA, WHICH ALSO IS PRONE TO FLOODING.
SO THE CONCERN OF THE RESIDENTS IS THAT ALLOWING THE, THESE, THESE DISTURBANCES FOR THE TENNIS BUBBLE IS GOING TO INCREASE WHAT IS ALREADY A PROBLEM IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
RIGHT NOW THE TENNIS COURTS ARE ALSO A PERVIOUS, UH, A, A HAR TRUE OR, UM, SURFACE LIKE PARTIALLY THE CLAY, THE, THE, THE GRAPHER CLAY.
UM, BUT NOW INSTEAD YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A, UH, 38 FEET HIGH.
'CAUSE THEY ALSO GOT A HEIGHT VARIANCE, RIGHT? SO SIX FEET AWAY FROM THE PARKING DISTRICT, PUBLIC RIGHT, WHERE EVERYBODY PARKS FOR THE STORES AND 38 FEET HIGH OF NOW AN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE FOR SEVEN MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR, WHICH IS ALSO GONNA CHANGE THE FLOW OF THE, OF THE STORMWATER RUNOFF THAT SO COMES OFF THE TUNNEL NOW HITTING THE STEEP SLOPE.
UM, SO, UM, I WANTED TO ADD ANOTHER FACTOR.
UH, JUST VERY RECENTLY, UM, AT THE LAST WESTCHESTER COUNTY PLANNING BOARD MEETING, THEY APPROVED AS PART OF A FLOOD MITIGATION PROJECT IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
THEY APPROVED THE HARTSDALE BROOK ENGINEERING PLAN, WHICH IS ALL CONNECTED RIGHT THROUGH THE GOLF COURSE IN HARTSDALE LAKE, I BELIEVE.
UM, SO THIS FLOOD MITIGATION PROJECT IS MEANT TO ALLEVIATE FLOODING, NOT JUST AROUND THE GOLF COURSE, BUT IN THE ENTIRE TOWN OF GREENBURG, INCLUDING THE FOUR CORNER CENTRAL AVENUE, UM, AND REPEATED FLOODING OF PUBLIC ROADWAYS, PUBLIC UTILITIES, INFRASTRUCTURE, AND COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
WE ALL KNOW HOW BAD THE FLOODING IS AROUND THIS AREA.
AND SO THE COUNTY IS, IS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
THE COUNTY IS, IS, UH, PUTTING UP THE AMOUNT OF THE PROJECT IS NOT TO EXCEED FROM THE COUNTY'S PAPERS 450,000.
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AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THE TOWN OF GREENBURG IS PAYING, BUT THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT EFFORT HERE TO ALLEVIATE FLOODING.AND I THINK THAT MY CLIENTS ARE INCREDIBLY CONCERNED THAT ALLOWING THIS STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, INCLUDING THE REMOVAL OF TREES, IS JUST GONNA AGGRAVATE A SITUATION.
NOW, THE THE APPLICANT HAS, UM, ALSO PUT FORTH A VERY EXTENSIVE STORMWATER MITIGATION PLAN IN THE APPLICATION.
UM, HOWEVER, IF YOU READ THAT PLAN, YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY ONLY ESTIMATED FOR A 25 YEAR, UM, EVENT, WHICH IS WHAT THE CODE, YOU KNOW, SAYS THEY HAVE TO DO.
BUT THAT'S COMPLETELY INSIGNIFICANT HERE.
UM, THEY, WE KNOW FROM IDA THERE WAS EIGHT INCHES OF RAINFALL IN 24 HOURS.
WELL, NINE INCHES OF RAINFALL IN 24 HOURS IS FEMA'S DEFINITION OF A HUNDRED YEAR STORM.
RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW BETTER THAN ANYBODY THAT WITH CLIMATE CHANGE, WITH INCREASED STORMS AND MORE RAINFALL, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS SETTING UP THE TOWN TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH MORE FLOODING WITH THIS APPLICATION IF IT IS GRANTED.
UM, ONE MORE THING I WANTED TO ADD.
THERE'S, UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF PUBLIC TESTIMONY OR SOME PUBLIC TESTIMONY DURING THE ZONING BOARD HEARINGS, WHICH WENT ON FOR A WHILE FROM MEMBERS AND REPRESENTATIVES OF THIS PARKING DISTRICT CONCERNED ABOUT THE FLOODING DURING THE COURSE OF THE TESTIMONY.
IT CAME OUT THAT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHEN THERE'S HEAVY SNOWFALL ON THE TENNIS BUBBLE, 'CAUSE THAT WOULD THEN CLOG THE DRAINS FOR THE 25 YEAR STORM, UM, AND THEN CREATE FLOODING AGAIN INTO THE PARKING DISTRICT.
AND THE ANSWER, ACCORDING TO THE TESTIMONY OF THE APPLICANT IS THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE MANUALLY TAKE THE SNOW OFF THE BUBBLE.
SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU, THAT'S GONNA ALSO CREATE A PROBLEM BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T DO IT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE SNOW FALLING ONTO THIS VERY STEEP, UH, RAMP.
I GUESS THAT'S SUPPOSED TO MAKE IT A D A ACCESSIBLE.
I'M NOT DENYING THAT IT ISN'T, BUT IF THEY DON'T DO IT, THIS, IT'S KIND OF A DANGEROUS SITUATION WITH THE SNOW COMING THE OTHER WAY.
SO FOR ALL OF THESE REASONS, WE ARGUE THAT THE PERMIT MUST BE DENIED 'CAUSE WE BELIEVE IT'S GONNA AGGRAVATE A SITUATION WHICH IS, UM, WHICH REALLY THREATENS THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
YOU GUYS WANNA THE APPLICANT? YEAH.
WELL IS THERE ANYBODY ON ZOOM THAT WANTS TO SPEAK? THERE'S NO ONE ELSE PRESENT IN THE ROOM.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE ON THOSE STUDIO? ARE ANYBODY ON ZOOM? ANYONE ON ZOOM THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT AT THIS TIME? JUST USE THE RAISE HAND FUNCTION.
UH, SO I'LL RESPOND TO A FEW THINGS AND THEN IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE, UH, ZACH CAN RESPOND, UH, WITH MORE TECHNICAL DETAIL ON SOME OF THE STORMWATER ELEMENTS.
UH, SO FIRST, UH, I'D LIKE TO NOTE AS FAR AS TREE REMOVAL GOES, THOSE EIGHT TREES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED HAVE BEEN PART OF THE SUBMISSION FROM THE BEGINNING.
THEY'VE BEEN THOROUGHLY REVIEWED WITH
UH, AND WE'RE REQUIRED TO REPLANT.
UH, AND IN FACT THE TOWN CODE, AS IT'S BEEN EXPLAINED TO ME BY OUR DESIGN TEAM, REQUIRES THAT THE REPLANTINGS EXCEED BOTH THE STORM WATER AND CARBON CAPTURE VALUE OF THE TREES BEING REMOVED.
SO TO SAY THAT THE TREE REMOVAL IS GOING TO EXACERBATE FLOODING IS NOT ONLY INCORRECT, IT'S ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE.
WE HAVE TO MAKE IT NET INCREASE IN VALUE OVERALL, AS I UNDERSTAND THE CODE REQUIRES, UH, WELL THAT'S WHEN THE TREES UP, I WOULD SAY AT MATURITY THEY WOULD, BUT NOT AT INITIAL STAGES.
MOREOVER, ALL OF THIS WAS CONSIDERED IN DEPTH BY THE ZONING BOARD AS PART OF THEIR SECRET REVIEW.
THEY ISSUED A NEGATIVE DECLARATION AFTER A THOROUGH STORMWATER ANALYSIS WAS CONDUCTED ON OUR PART WITH A SW THAT WAS REVIEWED BY YOUR TOWN SENIOR CIVIL ENGINEER, JIM IAN, WHO, UH, REVIEWED AND, AND AGREED WITH OUR FINDINGS.
UH, THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AT LENGTH, UH, THE PARKING DISTRICT'S TESTIMONY THAT I KNOW WAS REFERENCED.
THEY INITIALLY ATTENDED TWO MEETINGS IN APRIL AND MAY, BUT AFTER HAVING BACK AND FORTH STOPPED COMING, I'M NOT GONNA SPECULATE AS TO THEIR INTENTION, BUT IT WOULD SEEM THAT THOSE ISSUES HAD BEEN ADDRESSED.
THEY WERE CERTAINLY ADDRESSED TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE LEAD AGENCY AS FAR AS SNOW REMOVAL GOES.
UH, THERE IS A SNOW REMOVAL PLAN IN PLACE.
IT'S BEEN MADE A CONDITION OF THE VARIANCE APPROVALS.
THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE CLUB'S PROPERTY 24 7 TO TAKE THE SNOW OFF IN THE EVENT OF A HEAVY SNOWSTORM.
UH, AND THAT WAS DEEMED SATISFACTORY AS FAR AS MITIGATING ANY POTENTIAL NEGATIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
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THE OTHER THING I WOULD JUST NOTE, UM, THE, FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH TO YOU, THE HARTSDALE BROOK ENGINEERING PLAN THAT WAS REFERENCED IS SOMETHING THE CLUB ACTUALLY PARTNERED WITH THE TOWN ON.UH, SO THE CLUB IS AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY THAT'S SEEKING TO HELP WITH THE OVERALL FLOODING PROBLEMS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT THIS VERY LOCALIZED SMALL PROJECT ON THE CLUB'S, 132.8 ACRES CANNOT AND SHOULD NOT BE HELD TO A STANDARD OF FIXING THE FLOODING ALONG HARTSDALE AVENUE.
NOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT FLOODING AND RUNOFF IS SOMETHING WE KNEW WAS A CONCERN FROM THE MINUTE WE TALKED TO THE PARKING DISTRICT GOING BACK TO LAST YEAR.
WE KNEW IT WAS SOMETHING THEY WANTED US TO STUDY IN DEPTH.
AND AS YOU KNOW, THE CODE REQUIRES, I THINK MR. HAYES SAID EARLIER THAT WE NOT MAKE IT ANY WORSE.
IN FACT, OUR STUDY FINDS THAT IT WILL LIKELY IMPROVE THE OVERALL FLOODING CONDITION BECAUSE WE'RE PUTTING STORM WATER MITIGATION IN AN AREA NOW THAT CURRENTLY HAS NONE.
AND THAT WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE AND MITIGATE RUNOFF EVEN WHEN THE BUBBLE IS NOT ERECTED.
AND, UH, JUST AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, IT'S OCTOBER 15TH TO APRIL 15TH.
UH, SO THE BUBBLE IS UP FOR, I BELIEVE THAT'S FIVE MONTHS RATHER THAN SEVEN.
IT'S SIX NOVEMBER, DECEMBER AND JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH 6TH.
SO, UH, ZACH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA TOUCH ON ANY TECHNICAL ITEMS HERE.
ADDRESS THE ISSUE THAT ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS, UH, THE RUNOFF FROM, FROM THE BUBBLE ITSELF AND HOW THAT'S BEING TAKEN.
RIGHT? SO WE, WE HAD HAD, UH, INITIAL DISCUSSIONS THAT STEVEN MENTIONED WITH THE Z B A AND WE, WE LOOKED AT THE, THERE'S A PERIMETER TRENCH STRAIN AROUND THE GRADE BEAM, WHICH IS THE, THE CONCRETE STRUCTURE OR THE CONCRETE, ESSENTIALLY CONCRETE CURB THAT HOLDS UP THE ENCLOSURE.
WE, WE USE A OVERSIZED TRENCH STRAIN THERE.
T TYPICAL TRENCH STRAIN'S FOUR INCHES.
WE WENT TO AN EIGHT INCH TRENCH DRAIN.
UM, STEVEN MENTIONED THE, THE SNOW REMOVAL, THAT'S A CONDITION OF THE Z B A, UM, VARIANCE.
YOU KNOW, THE BUBBLES, YOU CAN'T HAVE SNOW AGAINST THE BUBBLE.
YOU KNOW, THE, IT'S AN AIR STRUCTURE WITH AIR PUSHING OUT ON THE INSIDE.
YOU KNOW, OTHER CLUBS HAVE DONE THIS IN THE AREA.
THEY HAVE STAFF THAT HA YOU HAVE TO DO IT OR IT AFFECTS THE BUBBLE.
UM, WE, WE PROVIDED SNOW STORAGE AREAS.
AGAIN, WE OVERSIZED THE, THE TRENCH DRAINS.
UM, WE DID TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT CONDITION BEING HARD TRUE, WHICH IS NOT, UH, 100% IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT RUNOFF COMING OFF THE EXISTING CONDITION WAS, WAS A LITTLE BIT LESS.
SO IN THE PROPOSED CONDITION, WE ASSUMED EVERYTHING WAS 100% IMPERVIOUS.
SO THAT DELTA'S A LITTLE, I KNOW I'M GETTING A LITTLE IN THE WEEDS HERE, BUT THAT DELTA'S A LITTLE BIT GREATER BECAUSE WE DIDN'T JUST SAY, OH, THE HARD TRUE'S IMPERVIOUS.
WE TOOK IT AS A SEMI IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, WHICH HELPED US OVERSIZE THAT SYSTEM.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND AS STEVE SAID, FIVE MONTHS OUTTA THE YEAR, THE TRENCH TRAIN'S GONNA BE THERE 12 MONTHS OUTTA THE YEAR.
SO WE'RE PICKING UP DRAINAGE OFF THE HARD TRUE SURFACE DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS, YOU KNOW, FOR TREATMENT IN THIS SYSTEM.
YOU KNOW, WHEN THE BUBBLE'S NOT EVEN CORRECTED.
NOTHING IS BEING PICKED UP NOW.
UH, THEN ONE, ONE FINAL COMMENT.
UM, THERE WAS A STAFF HAD JIMMY AND HAD SOME, SOME ISSUE.
WE, WE DID GRADE IN A SWALE ON THE DOWNHILL SIDE OF THE TRENCH DRAIN TO DIRECT ANY RUNOFF THAT SHOULD GET BEYOND THE TRENCH DRAIN TO A, TO A PROPOSED DRAIN THAT WE HAD.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE OF HIS COMMENTS EARLY ON THAT, THAT WE WORKED THROUGH.
HAVE YOU TAKE, TAKEN A LOOK AT, AT WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE WITH THE 50 YEAR STORM? 'CAUSE IT'S SOMETHING WE ACTUALLY AS A BOARD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ZONING BOARD DOES, BUT WE AS A BOARD HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS.
CAN'T REQUIRE HAS THAT BEEN LOOKED AT? I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE LOOKED AT IT.
IS IT SOMETHING WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO DO? IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT TO LOOK AT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS WOULD SHOW.
I THINK I'D LIKE TO, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE ARREST THE BOARD FEELS, BUT GIVEN THAT SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR, FOR VIRTUALLY EVERY APPLICANT YEAH.
IF YOU COULD JUST PROVIDE THAT TO US, APPRECIATE IT.
UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE IN, IN SHORT ORDER JUST TO SEE HOW IT LINES UP? SURE.
WITH ACCOMMODATING THE 50 YEAR.
IT'S MATH BECAUSE
MY SEVEN MONTH OLD IS NOT SLEEPING ALL THAT WELL.
AND I, I APOLOGIZE, UH, FOR THE POOR MATH
UM, SO I, I GUESS THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, I I THINK WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THE INFORMATION WE'VE CERTAINLY DESIGNED TO TOWN STANDARDS.
I THINK YOU HEARD ZACH SAY THEY OVERSIZED THE DRAIN.
AND, AND THIS HAS BEEN THE STANDARD AND THE DISCUSSION WE'VE BEEN HAVING WITH TOWN STAFF, INCLUDING THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, INCLUDING YOUR BOARD AT TWO SEPARATE MEETINGS SINCE, SINCE WE SUBMITTED IN FEBRUARY.
AS LONG AS THIS ISN'T GOING TO PROLONG PROCESS, WE'RE HAPPY SHOULDN'T BE IF YOU GET THE, IF YOU GET US THE INFORMATION, OKAY, YOU THINK END OF WEEK AND THAT PERSON ON, ON THE, THAT YOU SEE THERE ON THE SCREEN, I WILL BET YOU
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THAT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE HE MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE MR. SIMON ALMOST ALWAYS MENTIONS THE FI THE 50 YEAR, UH, THE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING ON A REGULAR BASIS AS A PLANNING BOARD.YOU KNOW, YOU WANT, YOU, YOU GUYS ARE GREAT NEIGHBORS.
YOU WANT TO STAY GREAT NEIGHBORS.
THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO BE CONCERNED BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN WHAT'S HAPPENS IN DOWNTOWN ART STILL.
RIGHT? NOT BELIEVE ME, HAVING THE GOLF COURSE SET VERSUS A HUNDRED CONDOS, I'D RATHER HAVE THE GOLF COURSE IF I, IF I LIVE DOWNHILL FROM IT.
OBVIOUSLY FROM A DRAINAGE POINT OF VIEW, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THE GREEN, BUT IT'S JUST, IT'S A LEVEL OF COMFORT AND IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT ON A REGULAR BASIS.
WE DO HAVE, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
I, I, IF YOU WANNA SPRAY TAG AS A COMMENT.
CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME WHERE THE SNOW GOES WHEN YOU RUSH IT OFF THE BUBBLE? SPEAK.
ZACH, DO YOU WANT TO JUST SHOW THE SNOW REMOVAL PLANS? YEAH.
WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE ZACH PULL THAT UP FOR YOU.
THERE ARE DESIGNATED SNOW REMOVAL AREAS AND SNOW BECOMES WATER.
SO THERE, YEAH, THERE'S DESIGNATED SNOW REMOVAL AREAS AND THE INTENT IS TO HAVE IT DRAINED INTO THAT SYSTEM.
IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T STAY UP.
SO WHAT WE DID IS WE PROVIDED SNOW STORAGE AREAS THAT ARE UPSTREAM OF THE TRENCH DRAIN.
SO WE, WE PULLED THE, WE PULLED THE SNOW BACK ONTO THE COURT AND ALLOW IT TO DRAIN INTO, LEMME JUST SHARE.
WHAT DO YOU WANNA DO WITH, WITH THE DOWN, WITH TROOPER OFF? JUST LET HIM DO THE PRESENTATION.
LET'S JUST LET HIM DO THE PRESENTATION AND NO COMMENT.
SO THERE'S A SNOW STORAGE AREA HERE AND THERE'S A SNOW STORAGE AREA HERE.
BOTH ARE UPHILL OF DRAINS THAT WERE PROPOSED TO THEN CONNECT TO THE SYSTEM.
THE, THE TWO HATCH AREAS? YES.
ANYBODY ELSE? ANYBODY ELSE? THAT'S OKAY, MONA.
THAT WE SHOULD, I JUST WAS FINE.
SHOULD WE? UM, THEY VERY, IF YOU COULD MAKE IT VERY BRIEF BECAUSE I PROMISE WE HAVE, WE HAVE ANOTHER APPLICANT THAT'S WAITING ALL NIGHT.
GIVE, I'LL GIVE YOU LIKE TWO MINUTES.
I JUST, I JUST, I WANNA CLARIFY THAT WHEN HE SAYS A SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB IS PARTNERING ON THE HARTSDALE BROOK MITIGATION PLAN, THEY'RE NOT CONTRIBUTING ANY MONEY AT ALL.
THAT WAS MADE CLEAR AT THE LAST COUNTY BOARD MEETING.
THEY, UH, THEY ARE ALSO, THERE WERE A LOT OF PICTURES AT THE COUNTY, UH, PLANNING, BOARD MEETING OF HOW MUCH THIS, THE GOLF CLUB ITSELF IS GONNA FLOOD IN A HUNDRED YEAR STORM IN A 500 YEAR.
FRANKLY, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S RELEVANT TO THIS APPLICATION.
SO IT'S, IT'S RELEVANT BECAUSE THE FLOODING IS GONNA BE INCREASED WITH THE STEEP SLOPES.
UM, AND ALSO JUST, UH, THAT'S YOUR OPINION.
IT'S NOT WORN OUT BY THE YOU YOU MADE THAT CALCULATION.
YOU MADE YOUR POINT, YOU MADE YOUR POINT ON THAT.
AND, AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING TO PAYING FOR IT IS TOTALLY IRRELEVANT TO WHAT WE'RE, WHAT'S IN, IN FRONT OF THE BOARD.
BUT, BUT I, WE DO UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN.
UM, LET'S CLOSE THE PUBLIC, UH, TAKE MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC.
SO DOES THE PUBLIC HEARING KEEP OVER UNTIL THE 28TH? YES.
SO I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL SEPTEMBER 28TH.
ZACH? WE NEED, WE NEED, UH, THAT ANALYSIS BEFORE THE 28TH.
CAN WE GET IT BY END OF WEEK? I WILL.
YOU GOT A SECOND FROM MICHAEL.
IT WAS A MOTION BY, BY TOM, SECONDED BY MARK.
HE'S GETTING MUCH BETTER AT MOTION.
VOTE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GO BACK INTO WORK? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ONE LAST, UH, THING AND WE'RE GOING BACK INTO A WORK SESSION.
WE'VE JUST, WE ARE RUNNING OUTTA TIME, BUT THE APPLICANT'S WAITING ALL EVENING.
SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO THIS QUICKLY, WHICH IS, UH, I WOULD LIKE JUST A SHORT PRESENTATION OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE DALEWOOD.
LET ME ANNOUNCE THE, UH, THE, THE, UH, APPLICATION.
SO CASE NUMBER PB 2216, THAT'S A DALEWOOD TWO SHOPPING CENTER, HARRIS BAGUETTE 3 85 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE NORTH.
IT'S A PLANNING BOARD SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A RESTAURANT AS WELL AS A PLANNING BOARD SHARED PARKING REDUCTION REQUEST.
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AND IT INVOLVES THE PROPOSED CONVERSION OF A 3000 SQUARE FOOT VACANT REAL RETAIL SPACE, UH, TO CONVERT INTO A RESTAURANT SPACE TO FACILITATE A BAKERY STYLE RESTAURANT.THE RESTAURANT IS PROPOSED TO CONTAIN UP TO 31 SEATS AND REQUIRES AN ADDITIONAL 25 OFF STREET PARKING SPACES PER CODE.
UM, THE SITE PREVIOUSLY WAS GRANTED SHARED PARKING REDUCTIONS OF 79 SPACES AND 17 SPACES UNDER CASE NUMBERS PB 1634 AND PB 2027 RESPECTIVELY.
THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME REQUIRE REQUESTS THE SHARED PARKING REDUCTION TO ACCOUNT FOR THE 25 ADDITIONAL SPACES REQUIRED UNDER THE CODE, UH, FROM 4 68 DOWN TO 4 43, UH, INITIALLY APPROVED FOR USE AS A RETAIL STOREFRONT.
NO EXISTING PARKING SPACES WILL BE REMOVED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROPOSAL.
AND THE APPLICANT'S TEAM HERE, UH, IS PRESENT ON THE ZOOM TO QUICKLY GO THROUGH ANYTHING THAT I MAY HAVE MISSED.
BEFORE I DO, I JUST HAVE ONE THING FOR THEM TO ANSWER AS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH IT.
I NOTICED WHEN I DROVE BY, THERE'S I THINK ANOTHER MUCH LARGER SPACE ADJACENT THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN THE PARKING.
WE'LL LET MR. NEWMAN SPEAK TO THAT.
I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS, WHAT'S GOING IN THERE AS WELL.
HI, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MY NAME'S CHUCK GUTY WITH THE FIRM OF LANGAN ENGINEERING REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT SMORE PROPERTIES.
ALSO WITH ME TONIGHT IS MARK NEWMAN WITH SMORE AND WE HAVE SOME OF THE FOLKS FROM THE, UH, PARISH BAGUETTE POST TENANT.
I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE QUICK SUMMARY THAT WAS GIVEN, UH, REALLY IS, IS ALL WE NEED TO SAY.
THIS IS A CONVERSION OF 3000 SQUARE FEET OF EXISTING RETAIL SPACE THAT'S BEEN VACANT FOR TWO YEARS TO A RESTAURANT SPACE.
IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, WE NEED A PLANNING BOARD AND SPECIAL PERMIT AND A MODIFICATION OF OUR, UH, SHARED PARKING REDUCTION.
UH, AS PART OF THE APPLICATION, WE SUBMITTED AN UPDATE PARKING ANALYSIS.
WE BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ADEQUATE PARKING ON THIS CENTER, UM, TO, TO TO ABSORB THE ADDITIONAL 25 SPACES WITHOUT ADVERSELY AFFECTING ANY OF THE OTHER TENANTS OR THE PARKING CIRCULATION.
UM, IF YOU'LL RECALL, UM, WHEN WE WERE IN TO AMEND OUR APPLICATION FOR THE OUT OUT PARCEL WITH THAT, WE ALSO INCLUDED FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL UPGRADES TO THE PARKING LOT.
UM, WE ADDED CROSSWALKS, WE ADDED HANDICAP SPACES.
SO THOSE UPGRADES HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE.
THIS PROJECT REALLY RESULTS IN NO CHANGES TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE CENTER EXCEPT FOR THE FACADE OF THE, OF THE SPACE ITSELF.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE STAND.
I'LL LET MARK TALK ABOUT THE, UH, JASON SPACE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
SO THE ADJACENT SPACE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, IF YOU REMEMBER, WAS A PHARMACY BEFORE.
IT IS NOW GOING TO BE AN ALTA, UM, WHICH IS A, A BEAUTY YEAH, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH ALTA.
IT'S LIKE COSMETICS, RIGHT? THERE'S ONE AT, UH, THERE'S ONE AT LEY I THINK, RIGHT? I THINK THERE'S ONE, THERE'S ONE AT DOBS FERRY IN THE DO CHAUNCEY, CHAUNCEY, WHATEVER.
THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE AN ALTA WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
THIS SPACE HAS BEEN VACANT FOR TWO YEARS.
UH, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY OCCUPIED BY A PET STORE.
UM, AND, UH, WE'VE GOT SOME PEOPLE HERE FROM PARIS BAGUETTE WHO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH PARIS BAGUETTE, BUT THEY'RE EXCELLENT BAKERIES.
UM, AND, UH, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE 'EM IN THE CENTER.
THIS LEASE WAS SIGNED SOME TIME AGO IN APRIL.
AND JUST IN THE PROCESS OF HAVING TO UPDATE OUR SURVEYS AND, UH, UPDATE THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND WHATNOT, IT TOOK US A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GET THE APPLICATION IN UNTIL THE SUMMER.
AND HERE WE ARE BEFORE YOU HOPING TO, UH, GET THE SPECIAL PERMIT FOR, YOU KNOW, CONVERSION FROM RETAIL TO THE RESTAURANT USE AND FOR THE SHARED PARKING REDUCTION.
DOES ANYBODY FROM THE BOARD HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS? I MEAN, I KNOW WE'RE PAST PARIS BAGUETTE, WAS IT JUST WALKED BY WINTER OF MANHATTAN TWO DAYS AGO? SO I, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH, WITH THAT AND, AND, AND WHAT IT IS.
UM, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE BOARD? I DON'T.
UH, I'M FAMILIAR WITH BOTH TYPES OF BUSINESSES AND THEY, UH, I'M QUITE IMPRESSED BY BOTH AND I, UH, ENCOURAGE THAT THEY'RE COMING INTO, UH, GREENBURG.
MY ONLY QUESTION IS THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR PARKING REDUCTION NOW, AND THEN THERE'S THEN YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING ANOTHER FACILITY.
NOW, DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT THAT NEW FACILITY WILL,
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UH, REQUIRE A PARKING REDUCTION? IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING AT ONCE AND LOOKING AT THE TOTAL FLOW OF TRAFFIC.SO, SO THE ONLY REASON WE'RE WE'RE ASKING FOR THE, THE PARKING REDUCTION MODIFICATION IS 'CAUSE WE'RE CONVERTING RETAIL TO RESTAURANT AS PRESCRIBED IN YOUR CODE.
THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT PARKING REQUIREMENT.
THE OTHER SPACE IS RETAIL TO RETAIL.
AND SO THAT, THAT SPACE AND THE REQUIRED PARKING IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR CODE IS ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR AT THE CENTER.
SO THERE WILL BE NO REQUEST FOR A MODIFICATION OF THE PARKING WAIVER.
IT, IT, IT, IN FACT, THE REASON THAT HASN'T COME BEFORE YOU IS BECAUSE IT'S A STRAIGHT MODIFICATION FROM RETAIL TO RETAIL AND ONLY REQUIRES A BUILDING PERMIT IN ORDER TO DO THAT WORK.
ANYBODY ELSE BEFORE, UH, I, WE MOVE ON? OKAY.
UH, MO MO MO HAS AN HAND MO DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I CAN'T SEE YOUR HANDS FROM HERE, SO IF YOU I HAVE A QUESTION.
ARE ARE WE GOOD WITH THE HANDICAP PARKING AS WELL? I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE MET ALL OUR REQUIREMENTS IN THAT REGARD.
YES, IT UM, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WERE ON THE BOARD, BUT WE WERE BEFORE THE BOARD FOR, UM, AN OUT PARCEL DEVELOPMENT AND AS PART OF THAT, THE, THE BOARD RIGHTFULLY ASKED BRICKS MORTAR TO BRING ALL OF THE HANDICAPPED PARKING UP TO SPEED, UH, CROSSWALKS, HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE LOCATIONS IN THE SIDEWALKS.
AND THE CENTER HAS ALREADY BEEN UPGRADED TO INCLUDE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
I CAN CONFIRM THAT FOR YOU MONA, AS WELL.
THANK, THANK YOU FOR, FOR ASKING IT.
UM, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO UH, PUT THIS ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON OCTOBER 3RD.
WE'RE GONNA PUT IT ON FOR, OH, I'D JUST LIKE TO HEAR HIM GIVE MOTIONS.
SO WE'LL PUT IT ON FOR OCTOBER 3RD FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THE NOTICE IS GONNA HAVE TO GO OUT TOMORROW.
WE WILL GET IT TO YOU TOMORROW MORNING BY 10, 10:30 AM AND THE SIGN WILL HAVE TO GO OUT TO THE SITE.
SO WE'LL BE IN TOUCH EARLY TOMORROW MORNING.
HOW ARE YOU DOING? OKAY, FINE.
ALRIGHT, BECAUSE WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A MONDAY, OCTOBER 3RD MEETING.
OTHERWISE, GENERALLY IT WOULD BE, FRIDAY WAS A TUESDAY HOLIDAY, WE HAD TO MOVE THE MEETING.
WAIT, SEEING HOW WE ALREADY WENT OVER THREE MINUTES? I HAVE ONE.
WE'RE GONNA GO, WHAT ABOUT WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO, UH, CHANGE OUR CODE FOR 50 YEAR STORM? BECAUSE THIS COMES UP ALL THE TIME.
WE SHOULD, I AGREE WITH WALTER.
UH, WHY DO WE HAVE TO RE IT COMES UP EVERY TIME, SO WHY DON'T WHAT IT TAKES.
UM, LESLIE, DO YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? NEED TO JUST CHANGE THE NO, I THINK IT, I MEAN THIS IS PART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, RIGHT? THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT'S UNDER CONSIDERATION BY STAFF.
I KNOW COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE HAS MET WITH THE TOWNS BUREAU OF ENGINEERING ABOUT POTENTIAL MODIFICATIONS AND OUR NEWLY MINTED SUSTAINABLE ENERGY COMMITTEE COMMITTEE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN UP AS WELL.
SO IT'S ALL KIND OF WEAVING TOGETHER.
WELL FIRST, FIRST OF ALL, ANYTHING YOU SAY, WALTER, DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE YOU'RE ON ZOOM.
MONA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A SOON, HAVE A GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.
BY THE WAY, THE WEATHER WAS GORGEOUS HERE TODAY, JUST SO YOU KNOW.