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[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD GREENBURGH TOWN HALL AGENDA MONDAY, October 3, 2022 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
GOOD EVENING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AND WELCOME TO THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING OF OCTOBER 3RD, 2022.UH, THE REASON IT'S MONDAY IS A NORMAL NIGHT IS WEDNESDAY, BUT, UH, AND, UH, UH, OBSERVATION OF, UH, OBSERVANCE OF M KIPPER.
THE NEXT ONE WILL BE BACK ON A REGULAR SCHEDULED DAY.
UH, COMMISSIONER, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? YES.
MR. SNAGS HERE WE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MS. FRAY TAG IS PARTICIPATING BY ZOOM THIS EVENING.
MR. GOLDEN AND MS. DAVIS ARE NOT PRESENT.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO INTRODUCE A NEWEST MEMBER OF OUR TEAM.
PLEASE WELCOME, UH, AMANDA MAGANA.
UH, SHE REPLACED, UH, OUR LONGTIME ATTORNEY, UH, DAVID FREED, AND, UH, SHE'S WELCOME.
AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
UM, FIRST ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? NOPE.
I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
UM, THERE WE HAVE A FEW THINGS TO CORRESPOND TO BEFORE WE DO.
I WANT TO GO OVER, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE LAST MEETING AND THE CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, DURING C O V I D, THERE WAS, THE STATE HAD ALLOWED US TO DO THESE MEETINGS A HUNDRED PERCENT BY ZOOM.
AND THAT, UH, THAT EXECUTIVE ORDER WAS LIFTED AS OF OUR LAST MEETING.
WHAT WE WEREN'T CLEAR ON AT THE LAST MEETING IS WHETHER OUR, ANY OF OUR PLANNING BOARDS, UH, BOARD MEMBERS COULD PARTICIPATE VIA ZOOM.
UM, THERE IS A LAW THAT WAS DRAFTED BY THE TOWN OVER THE SUMMER AND JUST CONFIRMED TWO LEGAL OPINIONS THAT IT NOW DOES ALLOW OUR MEMBERS TO NOT ONLY PARTICIPATE, BUT VOTE VIA ZOOM.
SO, UM, THAT IS WHY MONA IS PARTICIPATING IN VOTING TONIGHT VIA ZOOM.
THE OTHER PART, UH, OF THAT, HOWEVER, AND IS THAT AT LEAST FOUR PEOPLE FROM THE PLANNING BOARD HAVE TO BE PHYSICALLY PRESENT AND THE NEED AS A QUORUM FOR THERE TO BE A MEETING.
SO, UH, ONE CONCERN THAT WE HAVE ABOUT THE WAY THEY DID, DID THE LAW THAT SOMEBODY COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE ZOOM AND IT'D BE THE SAME FOUR PEOPLE UP HERE EVERY NIGHT.
SO I HAVE A SUGGESTION THAT I'D LIKE TO, UH, PUT OUT TO OUR BOARD TO PASS A, A, UH, PLANNING BOARD RULE THAT, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD CAN ONLY PARTICIPATE VIA ZOOM UP TO 25% OF THE TIME, UH, OR WILL BE AN EX AN UNEXCUSED ABSENCE.
AND, AND PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS ARE REQUIRED TO PARTICIPATE IN 75% OF THE MEETINGS IN A YEAR.
UH, THE ONLY THING I WANT TO ADD TO THAT, IF SOMEONE HAS A REASON, A PHYSICAL REASON, OR SOME REASON WHERE THEY CAN'T DO THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS, WE'LL CONSIDER THAT AND MAKE THAT ALSO AN EXCUSE ABSENCE, LIKE AN EXTENDED ILLNESS OR DISABILITY THAT ALLOWS THAT.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT PROPOSAL? UH, JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
UH, WE HAVE OUR, A RULE THAT WE EXPECT PEOPLE TO BE HERE 75% OF THE TIME.
IS THAT 25% THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO THAT YOU SHOULD BE HERE? IS IT 25% OF 75% OR 25% OF A HUNDRED PERCENT? 25%.
IT'S A 25% OF THE A HUNDRED PERCENT.
BUT IT IS, YOU ARE CONSIDERED AN WOULD BE CONSIDERED IN ATTENDANCE IF YOU'RE AT ATTENDING VIA ZOOM, YOU WOULD STILL BE IN YOU, YOU'D STILL BE CONSIDERED HERE.
SO YOU, YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? 'CAUSE I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION TO PASS THAT RULE.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND.
SECONDLY, I'D LIKE THAT RULE TO BE CODIFIED BY THE TOWN BOARD, AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION TO SEND A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD TO CODIFY THAT RULE IN OUR TOWN CODE.
COULD I HAVE THAT MOTION PLEASE? SO MOVE SECOND.
I THINK MONA'S TRYING TO SECOND, BUT WE DON'T.
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DID YOU, DID YOU TRY TO SECOND? WE CAN'T HEAR IT.THE NEXT, UH, CORRESPONDENCE IS, UH, HACKLEY, UM, THAT IS LOOKING FOR AN EXTENSION IN, IN THE ROCK CHIPPING.
I THINK JANET GARRIS IS, UH, ON ZOOM, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
AND AARON, COULD YOU DESCRIBE YES, WHAT THE EXTENSION'S ABOUT, PLEASE? RIGHT.
SO WE DID RE RECEIVE A REQUEST FOR AN EXTENSION OF THE ROCK CHIPPING ACTIVITIES AT THE HACKLEY SCHOOL PROJECT.
THAT PROJECT INVOLVED TOWN BOARD AMENDED SITE PLAN, APPROVAL PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPROVAL, IF YOU RECALL, RELATED TO THE PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.
THEY WERE TAKING DOWN A BUILDING, CONSTRUCTING A NEW BUILDING ROUGHLY IN THE SAME PLACE ASSOCIATED PARKING WITHIN THE PLANNING BOARD DECISION, AS WELL AS THE TOWN BOARD DECISION.
IT REFERS TO THE PLANNING BOARD BEING THE, UH, BODY THAT WOULD CONSIDER, UH, A, A, AN EXTENSION OF THE ROCK SHIPPING ACTIVITY.
SO THEY'VE INDICATED THAT, UH, THEY NEED SOME MORE TIME TO COMPLETE THAT.
WE CHECKED IN WITH OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO SEE IF THERE HAD BEEN ANY COMPLAINTS RELATED TO THE ROCK CHIPPING OR CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE TO DATE.
SO, UH, WE WANTED TO REPORT THAT TO THE BOARD THIS EVENING.
WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THE EXTENSION ITSELF, MS. GUAS, I'LL LET HER SPEAK TO IT.
SHE DOES ASK FOR AN ADDITIONAL 90 BUSINESS DAYS.
I THINK THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR CLARIFICATION FROM THE BOARD.
SO JANET, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK REGARDING THE REQUEST, I THINK THE BOARD WILL CONSIDER IT THIS EVENING FOR SURE.
THANK YOU DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, AND THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS JANET GARRIS.
I'M A PARTNER WITH DELBELLO, DANELLE AND WEINGART AND WISE AND WHITAKER HERE THIS EVENING ON BEHALF OF HACKLEY.
UH, I THINK JOINING ME THIS EVENING ALSO BOBBY ALDRICH WITH HACKLEY SCHOOL.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION ABOUT THE RESOLUTION IN THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WAS IN THE OR ORIGINAL RESOLUTION.
UM, THERE ARE TYPICALLY, AS, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN STANDARD CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT END UP IN YOUR RESOLUTIONS.
UM, IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, THE, UH, 30 DAY CHIPPING, UH, WAS A STANDARD CONDITION OF THE RESOLUTION OF APPROVAL.
BUT THIS ISN'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT IS A LITTLE BIT, UH, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIGGER AND MORE COMPLICATED PROJECT IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION SO THAT THE, UH, 30 DAYS OF BUSINESS DAYS, UH, FOR THE CHIPPING PERMIT, UM, REALLY ISN'T ADEQUATE IN ORDER TO, UM, PREP THE SITE FOR THE, UH, THE FOUNDATION FOR THE BUILDING.
UM, AND THE WAY THAT THIS IS DONE IS THE PERMIT IS ISSUED AND IT IS ISSUED FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, WAS ISSUED FOR I GUESS 30 BUSINESS DAYS.
UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IN, IN, IN SPEAKING WITH THE FOLKS OVER AT HACKLEY IS THAT THE CHIPPING DOESN'T OCCUR EVERY SINGLE DAY.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SITE PREP DONE AND IN CONNECTION WITH THAT SOMETIMES, AND SOME DAYS THEY'RE CHIPPING AND SOME DAYS THERE ISN'T.
SO, UM, IT, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER GIVEN THE, THE, THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT AND THE COMPLEXITY OF THE CONSTRUCTION SEQUENCING.
UH, SO WE'RE SEEKING THAT EXTENSION FOR AN ADDITIONAL 90 BUSINESS DAYS.
WE'RE HOPING WE'RE ABLE TO FINISH WITHIN THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
UH, IF WE'RE NOT, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE BACK, BUT WE HOPE YOU CAN CONSIDER THAT EXTENSION OF APPROVALS.
UM, BOBBY, I THINK IF YOU'RE THERE, IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
UM, BOBBY ALDRIDGE, DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS AND CAMPUS PLANNING FOR HACKLEY SCHOOL.
UM, JUST TO, TO I GUESS, REPEAT KIND OF WHAT JANET SAID IN THAT THE, THE CHIPPING DOES NOT OCCUR EVERY DAY.
THE SEQUENCING OF THE CONSTRUCTION IS SUCH THAT WE'RE WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH THE SITE AND, AND TRYING TO BE AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE IN THE AREAS WE'RE WORKING IN.
UM, AND, AND AS THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER MENTIONED, UH, WE, WE HAVE RECEIVED NO COMPLAINTS AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT THE TOWN HAS RECEIVED NO COMPLAINTS EITHER.
UM, AND SO, UH, WE, UH, WE HOPE TO CONTINUE TO WORK IN THE SCHEDULE THAT WE HAVE VERSUS DOING ALL OF THE CHIPPING DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
UH, WE WOULD'VE TO RETHINK THE CONSTRUCTION SEQUENCING IF WE WANTED TO CHIP EVERY DAY STRAIGHT THROUGH.
UH, AND I THINK THAT MIGHT LEAD TO SOME COMPLAINTS.
UM, IS ANY OF THE CHIPPING DEAD ON WEEKENDS? UH, NO.
UH, WE HAVE NOT BEEN WORKING ON WEEKENDS AS OF YET.
AND I BELIEVE THAT GREENBERG MAY HAVE AN ORDINANCE ALREADY AGAINST CHIPPING ON THE WEEKENDS, BUT OUR PLAN IS TO NOT CHIP ON THE WEEKENDS.
'CAUSE THE EXTENSION IS ON BUSINESS DAYS, UH, FOR BUSINESS DAYS.
SO THAT WOULD PRECLUDE WEEKENDS, I WOULD THINK.
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AND, AND OUR PLAN RIGHT NOW IS TO NOT WORK ON WEEKENDS.AND WHAT ARE THE CHIPPING HOURS? DID WE HAVE THAT IN THE ORIGINAL? UH, WE DID.
AND, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S UPHELD BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
I WANT TO SAY IT'S NINE TO THREE, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK.
IF IT SOUNDS RIGHT NOW, HAVEN'T WE DONE FOR OTHER APPLICATIONS GIVEN EIGHT 30 FRIDAY FOR ROCK SHIPPING? I'M SORRY, EIGHT 30 TO 8:30 AM TO 3:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FOR ALL ROCK CHIPPING, ROCK BLASTING, AND ROCK CHIPPING IS PROHIBITED ON SATURDAYS, SUNDAYS, AND LEGAL HOLIDAYS.
I I BELIEVE WE HAVE GRANTED OTHER APPLICATIONS A CERTAIN NUMBER OF CHIPPING DAYS AS OPPOSED TO A SEQUENTIAL NUMBER OF BUSINESS DAYS.
IS THAT CORRECT? WE'VE DONE, AARON, HAVE WE DONE THAT? WE'VE DONE BOTH.
THE MORE RECENT WAS ACTUAL CHIPPING DAYS VERSUS I THINK WHAT WE DID WAS 45 DAYS OF CHIPPING OVER 60 CALENDAR DAYS.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT WAS THE LAST ONE.
WE, WE DID LET, LET'S ASK THE APPLICANT.
BOBBY, CAN YOU ACTUALLY ESTIMATE THE NUMBER OF CHICKEN, UH, CHIPPING CHIP DAYS, CHIPPING DAYS THAT YOU NEED? UH, I ASKED THAT QUESTION OF OUR CONTRACTOR AND, UH, THEY, THEY ASKED THE, THE ACTUAL REQUEST, UM, THAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD MADE WAS FOR, UH, A SIX MONTH EXTENSION, NOT A 90 DAY EXTENSION WITH CHIPPING, UH, 20, UH, 75% OF THOSE DAYS.
UM, BUT WE THINK THAT IF THE EXTENSION IS 90 BUSINESS DAYS OF CHIPPING AND NOT 90 CALENDAR DAYS, WE COULD COME PRETTY CLOSE TO, TO MEETING THAT.
AND, AND AGAIN, NOT CHIPPING EVERY DAY.
OKAY, WELL, YOU JUST CHANGED YOUR REQUEST OR WE'RE NOT, NOT UNDERSTANDING THE MEANING.
'CAUSE THE, I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS 90 BUSINESS DAY DAYS.
YEAH, WE, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ASKING FOR 90, I'M SORRY.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ASKING FOR 90 WORKING DAYS OR CHIPPING DAYS, DAYS OF ACTUAL CHIPPING.
THAT WAS NOT OUR UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE EXTENSION WAS.
WE WERE READING IT AS 90 BUSINESS DAYS, YOU KNOW, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY SEQUENTIALLY.
AND I, AND, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ENDED.
AND, AND I THINK WE CAN WORK WITHIN THAT.
WELL, I'M NOT SURE WHICH WE, WHERE WE ENDED THAT.
RIGHT NOW I'M SAYING WHAT IS IN FRONT OF US IS 90 BUSINESS DAYS.
WHETHER YOU CHIP OR NOT BELIEVE IT'S 90 BUSINESS DAY, I BELIEVE.
I BELIEVE WE ARE OKAY WITH THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IN THE BOARD? NO.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION THEN, UH, TO EXTEND, UH, THEIR AUTHORIZATION TO CHIP BY 90 BUSINESS DAYS? SO MOVED.
ALL OPPOSED? CAN'T SEE MONA MOTOR, DID YOU SAY? AYE, I CAN'T SEE HER ON THE SCREEN.
GET THE EXTENSION FOR 90 DAYS.
WE'LL PREPARE A LETTER AND GIVE THAT EXPIRATION DATE SO YOU'RE AWARE OF IT IN THE EVENT YOU NEED A FURTHER EXTENSION.
THE LAST THING IN CORRESPONDENCE WAS THE BODY SUBDIVISION, AARON? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THAT IS CASE NUMBER PB 21 DASH 18, THE BODY SUBDIVISION AT, UH, ALONG PAYNE STREET AND WINTHROP AVENUE.
YOU MAY RECALL THAT PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION WAS GRANTED THE APPLICANT IS WAITING AND, AND FOR THE CHURCH OF OUR LADY OF MOUNT CARMEL TO SIGN THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS APPLICATION AS REQUESTED BY THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
SO MAKING PROGRESS, THEY EXPECT THAT TO BE DONE SOON.
THEY'RE SEEKING A FURTHER 90 DAY EXTENSION.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION OR MOTION? I MOVE THAT WE GRANT THE 90 DAY EXTENSION.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT PASSES.
ALRIGHT, UH, LET'S MOVE ON THEN TO, UH, OLD BUSINESS CASE PB 21 DASH 35 SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB, WHICH IS A STEEP SLOPE, UH, PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, IN RELATION TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF A, UH, TENNIS BUBBLE.
AARON, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT? UH, JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT, UH, IT'S JUST THOUGH THE ONE VOTE, UH, FOR THIS EVENING, WHICH IS THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, UH, THE TOWN BOARD ON SEPTEMBER 28TH, DID ADOPT A RESOLUTION GRANTING WITH CONDITIONS, THE AMENDED SITE PLAN APPLICATION.
SO I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO LIGHT.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF CONDITIONS, WE DID VERIFY WITH
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THE APPLICANT, UH, THAT THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A 50 YEAR STORM EVENT, UH, THE APPLICANT, WHICH WAS THE QUESTION AT OUR LAST MEETING THAT WAS YES.THEY'VE RUN THE CALCULATIONS, THEY'VE SUBMITTED A, A REVISED STORMWATER REPORT.
IN ADDITION, THEY'LL BE REQUIRED TO OBTAIN A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT CONTROL PERMIT FROM THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING WHO WILL VERIFY THOSE AS ACCURATE WITH THE FINAL SUBMISSION.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY AGAIN, THERE, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AND CONCERN ABOUT, UM, THE RUNOFF FROM, FROM THE BUBBLE.
AGAIN, OUR TOWN REQUIRES THAT ANY IMPROVEMENT TO LAND, THAT THERE BE THE SAME OR LESS RUNOFF THAN, THAN, UH, THAN THERE WAS PRE-CONSTRUCTION.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THIS PLAN DOES.
IN FACT, IT DOES IT WITH A 50 YEAR STORM, WHICH OUR, OUR CURRENT CODE ACTUALLY ONLY REQUIRES A 25 YEAR STORM.
BUT BECAUSE OF GLOBAL WARMING, WE KNOW 50 YEAR STORMS HAPPEN A LOT MORE OFTEN THAN 50 YEARS THESE DAYS.
SO WE, WE HAVE BEEN ON THIS BOARD TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO COMMIT TO A, A 50 YEAR STORM AND BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL AT DOING THAT.
DID THE APPLICANT HAVE A COMMENT BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS? NO.
UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION THEN TO APPROVE THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT? SO MOVED.
WALTER, SECONDS IT ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
GOLF ON IS A PLANNING BOARD SPECIAL PERMIT, UH, FOR A, UH, INDOOR GOLF FACILITY.
UH, WE'VE SEEN THIS IN WORK SESSION AND WORK WITH THEM ON THAT.
UM, WE HAVE A SPECIAL PERMIT, UH, BEFORE US TO DECIDE TONIGHT WHETHER OR NOT WHETHER WE WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE THAT SPECIAL PERMIT.
AND AARON, COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THE CONDITIONS IN THAT SPECIAL PERMIT, PLEASE? YES.
SO, UH, THERE WILL BE, I JUST WANTED TO, LET'S SEE, NOTE THAT THERE WILL BE TWO VOTES.
SO THE PROJECT DOES QUALIFY AS A TYPE TWO.
I WANNA MAKE SURE WE DO THAT FIRST AND THEN CONSIDER THE SPECIAL PERMIT.
WITH RESPECT TO CONDITIONS, WE DID HAVE, UM, GOOD BACK AND FORTH WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS AND FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
BEFORE I GET INTO THE CONDITIONS, I DID WANT TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT WE DID RECEIVE ADDITIONAL CORRESPONDENCE AFTER CLOSURE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THOSE COMMENTS HAVE BEEN ENTERED INTO THE RECORD, HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO THE APPLICANT AS WELL AS TO THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, AND HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE DRAFTING OF THE DECISION ON FOR THIS EVENING.
WITH RESPECT TO CONDITIONS, WE DID ADD A FEW, EVEN SINCE THE DRAFT WENT OUT IN THE PACKAGES, WE DID ADD A NEW CONDITION, NUMBER THREE, WHICH STATES THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL CAUSE TO HAVE A VIDEO CAMERA INSTALLED AND POSITIONED TO VIEW THE ONSITE PARKING LOT AREAS, PARTICULARLY TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE SITE.
IT SHALL BE EQUIPPED WITH A SPEAKER AND CONNECTED TO THE FRONT DESK.
UH, WE ADDED CONDITION NUMBER FOUR THAT THE REAR EGRESS, IF YOU RECALL, THERE WAS A DOOR ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE UTILIZED BY PATRONS.
SO THAT SHALL BE LIMITED TO DELIVERIES AND EMERGENCY EGRESS ONLY.
AND THIS IS TO KEEP DOWN THE LEVEL OF CONGREGATING A NOISE IN THE BACK.
TO MINIMIZE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORS.
UH, WE DID REVIEW THE FINAL PLANS AND THEY DID ADD, UH, THAT THERE WILL BE SIGNAGE ALONG THE BUILDING TO, UM, NO LOITERING SIGNS TO PREVENT THAT.
AND, UM, WE DID CONDITION, WHICH WAS IN YOUR DRAFT ABOUT THE APPLICANT AND OR PROPERTY OWNER SENDING LETTERS TO THE ADJACENT REAR PROPERTY OWNERS AT 1115 AND 16 CLAREN IN PLACE OFFERING TO REPAIR OR REPLACE ANY BROKEN OR MISSING PICKETS FROM THE EXISTING WOOD FENCE, UH, PRIOR TO FILING FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT AND PROVIDING COPIES OF THOSE LETTERS TO OUR OFFICE FOR, FOR THE FILE.
UH, IN ADDITION, THE APPLICANT WILL INSTALL BACKEND PARKING ONLY SIGNS FOR THE PARKING SPACES AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
AGAIN, JUST I THINK OUR QUESTION, HOW DO ENFORCE IT IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T PARK? I MEAN, BACKWARDS.
I MEAN, IF THEY, IF THEY SEE THIS, I THINK WE CAN DISCUSS THAT WITH 'EM.
IF THEY SEE IT'S GONNA BE A MONITOR FACT THAT THEREFORE THE FRONT DESK MM-HMM.
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MONITORED BY THE FRONT DESK PERSON.AND IF THEY SEE A, A LICENSE PLATE THAT'S BACK FRONT END, THEY CAN GET THEM OUT OF THE GOLF GAME AND MAKE 'EM GO AND TURN THE CAR AROUND.
BUT IF THEY, I MEAN, HOW DO YOU ENFORCE IT? HOW TO GO CITY? ANY, ANY KIND OF, UH, OCCASIONAL CHECK BY THE I JUST SAID THAT TOWN.
IT HAS TO BE, IT'S ON PRIVATE, THE TOWN, THE TOWN CAN'T ENFORCE THAT.
I MEAN, COURSE, I MEAN, OR AT LEAST, UH, WE CAN ASK THE NEIGHBORS TO KIND OF MAKE SURE THAT THEY REALLY DO THAT.
BECAUSE THAT'S THE REASON WE ARE ASKING THEM TO, I'M SURE IF THEY SEE IT, SEE IT ON A REGULAR BASIS, THEY WILL CALL OR THEY SHOULD.
I AM HOPING, I THINK THIS NEIGHBOR WANTS TO BE, I THINK THEY WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
THERE'S NO REASON THEY DON'T WANNA BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE BACK.
THAT'S WHY WE PUT, WE REQUIRE THE CAMERA.
SO I'M HOPING THAT WILL CONTROL THAT.
IS THE, IS THE FENCE, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A ONE PICK FENCE? IT'S LIKE TRANS SEMI TRANSPARENT FENCE? NO, IT'S A SOLID, IT'S A SOLID WOOD PICKET FENCE FIVE.
IT'S JUST MISSING A FEW SPOTS.
FIVE TO 6 5, 5 AND A HALF FEET, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S GOT, IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED IN ABOUT THREE PLACES.
AND ACTUALLY THE FENCE IS PROBABLY 20, 30 FEET FROM THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE IT'S ON THE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BRUSH.
IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TROUBLE BRUSH.
PRIVATE PROPERTY, THE HOMEOWNER'S PROPERTY.
IT'S ON THE HOMEOWNER'S PROPERTY.
SIMILAR TO THE ISSUE WE HAD WITH THE APARTMENT.
HEY FOLKS, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LOUDSPEAKER BEING ON THE OUTSIDE.
THE WHOLE POINT IS TO MINIMIZE NO.
TO LISTEN DISTURBANCE OR TO HEAR, TO HEAR, NOT SO THAT THEY COULD RIGHT.
IT'S NOT A, IT, IT'S MICROPHONE NOT A SPEAKER.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE, IF YOU LOOK AT ONE OF THOSE, UH, LIKE RING YEP.
UM, YOU CAN'T SPEAK DURING THE WORK SESSION.
ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS OF THE, THE NEIGHBOR, WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS APPLICATION, WAS THE FACT THAT THE, THE TOWN CUT DOWN SOME TREES THAT HAVE ACCESS AND WHETHER OR NOT THE CUTTING DOWN OF THOSE TREES WOULD ADD TO, UH, A RUNOFF.
NOW, THAT'S NOT THE APPLICATION, BUT I, I THINK THE TOWN HAVE AN OBLIGATION IF THEY COULD CUT DOWN TREES TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T CREATE RUNOFF.
I WAS JUST BACK THERE TODAY AGAIN TO LOOK AT IT.
'CAUSE I WANTED TO BE SURE MYSELF.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS THEY TOOK THE TREES DOWN BECAUSE THEY BUILT UP THE SIDE, THE SIDES OF TROUBLESOME BROOK WITH STONE.
SO THE STONE ACTUALLY COMES UP, I DON'T KNOW, SIX, EIGHT INCHES, UH, ABOVE THE GROUND.
I, I DIDN'T MEASURE IT, BUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S ABOVE THE PARKING LOT.
THAT THE STONE IS, SO THAT'S WHAT THEY DID.
THERE'S NO ROOM, UNFORTUNATELY, AT LEAST ON THAT SIDE OF TROUBLESOME BROOK TO PLANT TREES.
'CAUSE IT GOES FROM THE STONE RIGHT TO THE TARMAC.
BUT LONG AS, AS THAT WATER IS FLOWING INTO THE BROOK AND NOT, UH, ONTO, ONTO SOLAR LAND, THAT'S, YEAH.
IT MAY NOT EVEN GO THAT FAR INTO THE BROOK BECAUSE IT ISN'T STRAIGHT DOWN.
IT GOES DOWN INTO THAT PARKING LOT.
BUT THE PARKING LOT IN THE BACK TENDS, LOOKS LIKE IT FLATTENS OUT.
SO I, THAT, THAT ANSWERED MY, MY CONCERN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE, I HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO DECLARE THIS.
A TYPE TWO, UH, I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOMETHING, UM, IT WASN'T ONE OF THE CONDITIONS, BUT IT WAS IN A LETTER FROM THE APPLICANT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE, UH, REGULAR PEST SURVEILLANCE OF THE DUMPSTER.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS A, I THINK THAT'S IT.
THAT'S IN THE, THAT'S IN THE, DID I MISS THAT WHEN YOU SAID IT? IF IT'S NOT, THEN IT'S IN THE AFFIDAVIT.
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS A CONCERN.
IS IT? DID WE MAKE IT A CONDITION? LEMME CHECK.
I THOUGHT I, I READ THAT'S SOMEWHERE, BUT WHAT, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE DUMPSTER WASN'T AN OPEN DUMPSTER, IT WAS A CLOSED SYSTEM.
SO FIRST OF ALL, I NEED, UH, SOMEONE TO GIVE US A, A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS.
CAN I JUST CORRECT AN INACCURATE STATEMENT? SO MOVED SEC.
AMANDA, WHAT DO YOU THINK? PUBLIC IS NOT ALLOWED.
THIS IS A WORK SESSION, BUT INACCURATE INFORMATION BEING SET UP THERE GONNA VOTE ON INACCURATE INFORMATION.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A USEFUL WORK SESSION.
WHAT ARE YOU REFERRING TO AS INACCURATE STATEMENTS? WHILE THE TREES WERE CUT DOWN? THAT'S AN INACCURATE STATEMENT.
THE TREE, AND THEY'RE NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
THE TREES ARE GONE AND THEY'RE NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION, SIR.
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AND I'VE ALREADY GIVEN YOU MORE TIME THAN I'M SUPPOSED TO DO AS IN THE WORK SESSION.IN THE LAST SESSION, YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA FOLLOW UP WITH LEGAL, WHETHER YOU CAN IMPOSE CONDITIONS FOR THEM TO PLANT TREES.
WHAT WE SAID IS WE'D LOOK INTO IF THERE WERE PLACES TO PLANT TREES.
AND THAT IS THE LAST COMMENT I WILL TAKE FROM YOU.
AND WE DID, WE DID INVESTIGATE THE WHOLE THING.
WE WENT OUT THERE, WE WENT OUT THERE AGAIN, LOOKED AT IT.
I WAS THERE TODAY AS I SAID TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTOOD EXACTLY WHAT THE SITUATION WAS.
WE ADDED ADDITIONAL, UH, PROTECTIONS, UH, TODAY ACTUALLY TO THE SPECIAL PERMIT, WHICH, WHICH THE APPLICANT AGREED TO, TO MAKE SURE THERE ISN'T A DISRUPTION TO, TO YOUR FOLKS BEHIND, BEHIND THERE.
SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
WE, WE DID TRY TO ADDRESS THE BEST WE COULD.
THIS IS AN EXISTING PIECE OF PROPERTY WHERE THEY'RE DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO CHANGE THE OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY, NOR DO THEY HAVE TO AND UNDER THE LAW.
SO WE, WE, THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN AMOUNT WE CAN DO UNDER THE LAW.
AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD NO MORE, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD, I BROUGHT UP THE TOPIC AND CLEARLY STATED THAT THAT BROOK HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE APPLICATION THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND MY COMMENT WAS, IS THE TOWN CAN AND DO ANYTHING TO MAKE SURE OF THAT STREAM.
I, BY THE CHAIR WHO WENT OUT THERE AND SAID THAT THE BOOK, THE SIDE OF THE BOOK WAS BUILT UP.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE APPLICATION IN FRONT OF US.
AND I ALSO, THAT'S ON A SEPARATE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
ALSO, IF YOU READ THIS CARD, IF YOU READ THE SCARSDALE ENQUIRER THIS PAST WEEK, TROUBLESOME BROOK WAS MENTIONED INTO AS ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT THE TOWN IS FOCUSING ON.
BECAUSE TROUBLESOME BROOK HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR YEARS, PARTICULARLY ON CLARATON PLACE.
SO, UH, AND, AND THE FLOODS AND I, THEY'RE TRYING TO DO OTHER THINGS AND THIS WAS THE FIRST THING THING, RATHER IT BE RANDOM.
THEY BUILT UP THIS WITH THE, WITH THE STONES.
SO THAT IT WOULD GO IN RATHER THAN A CONDUIT.
UM, CAN I THEN HAVE A, AGAIN, CAN I HAVE A, A MOTION TO DECLARE A TYPE TWO ACTION PLEASE.
OH, SHE MOVED A MONER MOVED IN.
DO I HAVE A SECOND THEN FOR SOMEBODY SECOND? THERE YOU GO.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT, THAT PASSES.
COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, STEEP SLOPE, UH, SPECIAL PERMIT? I'M SORRY, I'M LOOKING AT THE WRONG ONE.
THE SPECIAL PERMIT FOR THIS FACILITY ASD.
OKAY, WALTER, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
MOVING ON THE BOARD'S OPINION.
THIS
YOU'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO TALK.
I'M GONNA HAVE SECURITY COME IN AND REMOVE, REMOVE YOU.
YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING AT A WORK SESSION.
THAT'S A PUBLIC HEARING SUPPORT, NOT WORK SESSIONS.
WE HAVE A VERY BIG SCHEDULE TONIGHT WITH A LOT OF THINGS IN IT.
I'M JUST REMINDING YOU AGAIN ON THAT DOES NOT IMPEDE THE VALUE.
WELL, IT DOES NOT IMP SIR, VOTED ON.
COULD YOU CALL, I'M GONNA CALL SECURITY IN A SECOND.
IF YOU DON'T KEEP QUIET, I'M ASKING YOU NICELY.
ONE MORE TIME TO KEEP QUIET AND LET US DO OUR BUSINESS.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA TAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS AT ALL? NO.
THAT'S, WE CAN'T TAKE CO PUBLIC COMMENTS ON IT ENOUGH.
ALRIGHT, CAN WE JUST MOVE ON TO MOVE? WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON.
UH, P BKS 2213 ANDERSON BALL, UH, OLD ARMY.
UH, IT'S A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
WE HAVE, UH, AN APPROVAL, UH, APPLICATION FOR APPROVAL FOR BOTH OF THOSE.
SO, UH, JUST AS A MATTER OF ORDER, THE PROJECT DOES QUALIFY AS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER.
SO YOU'LL CONSIDER THAT THEN THE SLOW PERMIT, THEN THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE DRAFT DECISION ITSELF, UH, WE DID PUT IN SOME SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS THAT I'LL RECITE QUICKLY.
COULD, COULD, UH, SOMEBODY GO OUT THERE AND TELL THEM TO EITHER LEAVE OR, OR CLOSE CLOSE THE DOOR? AT LEAST DOOR.
I, I THINK THIS, IT REINFORCES WHY WE MIGHT WANT THE TABLE AS OPPOSED TO THE DAY.
BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND I, I SPOKE WITH THE CHAIR AHEAD OF THE MEETING.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE, HAVE IT.
I TALKED TO ARRANGED, YEAH, I TALKED TO HER AFTERWARDS.
SO 4.1 ON PAGE FIVE STATES THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL CAUSE TO CAREFULLY DISMANTLE AND SET ASIDE PRIOR TO ANY SITE WORK AND OFFER FOR DONATION TO ANY INTERESTED PARTY.
ALL STONES ASSOCIATED WITH THE DRY STACK STONE FARM
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WALL IN THE REAR OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.WE'VE HAD COMMUNICATION WITH THE APPLICANT.
THEY'RE ALREADY LOOKING TO LINE, UH, THAT UP, THAT WORKUP.
WE'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE CHAIR OF THE HISTORIC BOARD WHO MAY HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S INTERESTED ALREADY.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S GONNA THAT'S GREAT.
FOUR POINT QUESTION ABOUT THE, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? NO, YOU CANNOT ASK A QUESTION IN A WORK SESSION.
IT'S THE CROSS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
SORRY, I WAS LOOKING OUT THERE.
WE'RE STILL GETTING USED TO THE HYBRID.
WE'RE GETTING USED TO THE HYBRID THING.
YOU CAN HAVE A COMMENT TONIGHT JUST FOR THAT FOR FREE.
UM, WE ARE CERTAINLY HAPPY TO, UH, DONATE THE STONES.
I JUST WANTED TO BE CLARIFIED THAT WE WILL DO IT THROUGH THE HISTORIC BOARD, NOT LIKE WE HAVE TO PUT UP A PUBLIC NOTICE THAT, YOU KNOW, ANYONE WHO WANTS STONES COULD COME GET IT IF, UH, I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE OVERBURDENSOME.
WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO NO, WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT WOULD BE THROUGH OUR OFFICE.
IT'LL, IT, AARON AARON'S AARON'S OFFICE WILL COORDINATE THAT.
SO I WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT THAT.
AND I DO APPRECIATE YOUR COOPERATION AND YOUR, AND YOUR APPLICANT'S, UH, COOPERATION ON, ON THAT.
UH, AARON ALSO FOR ANY OTHER SIDEWALKS THERE, IT'S, IT'S IN THERE, RIGHT? YEAH, I WAS GONNA RECITE 4.2.
WHICH STATES ANY HISTORICAL ARTIFACTS UNCOVERED DURING THE COURSE OF CONSTRUCTION OR EXCAVATION ACTIVITIES AND RELATED SITE WORK MUST BE PHOTOGRAPHED AND SET ASIDE AND THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND CONSERVATION AND THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD MUST BE CONTACTED.
UM, ASIDE FROM THAT, I MEAN, WE KNOW THAT THEY OVER DESIGNED, SO WE HAD A CONDITION IN THERE ABOUT SATISFYING THE 50 YEAR STORM EVENT.
UM, THAT WILL BE VERIFIED AT THE TIME OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT CONTROL PERMIT.
BUT THE APPLICANT PRESENTED THAT TO US AND, UH, WE ADDED THAT.
AND AT OUR LAST MEETING, UM, A NUMBER OF THE NEIGHBORS HAD HIRED A DIFFERENT ENGINEERING FIRM THAT WERE CHALLENGING THOSE RESULTS.
SO I HOPE AND ASSUME THAT OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WILL WORK WITH THEM AND THERE WILL BE AGREEMENT THAT THE SPECIFICATIONS, UM, ARE VALID.
AND THE APPLICANT DID PUT TOGETHER A THOROUGH RESPONSE FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING, ADDRESSING COMMENTS AND CONDITIONS THAT THEY THOUGHT WOULD PROBABLY BE ADDED TO THE DRAFT DECISION.
SO IT WAS A, A, A THOROUGH RESPONSE, WHICH WAS RECEIVED IN THE OFFICE.
BUT, BUT WAS THAT IN RELATION TO THE DRIVEWAY TURNAROUND? NO.
THEY, THEY CAME IN AND, AND SHOWED THAT THEY COULD ACTUALLY USE THE DRIVEWAY.
THEY NEVER HAD NO, BUT THE, THE NO ENGINEERS, THE ENGINEERS, THEY HIRED THE ISSUE IN THE DRAINAGE.
IT CAME, IT WAS DRAINAGE, WHICH CAME DOWN TO THE FACT THERE WAS AN UNAPPROVED LOT.
THE PEOPLE IN DORIS LANE DRIVE BELOW THEM, LINCOLNS DRIVE, UH, BELOW THEM.
UM, WERE HAVING ISSUES DURING, YOU KNOW, SANDY BIG 10 WITH FLOODING AND THERE WAS A CONCERN, YOU PUT A HOUSE THERE, IS IT GONNA BE WORSE? SO LUCKILY THE, THIS APPLICANT'S NOT TAKING DOWN A LOT OF TREES.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY TAKING THE YARD AND, AND RAISING IT UP TO STREET LEVEL SO THERE WON'T BE AS MUCH RUNOFF IN THE STREET.
AND THERE WERE CALS IN THE FRONT TOO, AND IT DID, BUT I STILL HAVE A CONCERN, IF YOU RECALL, ABOUT THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE BECAUSE THE SLOPE SLOPE GOING DOWN TO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND THEY, THEY PUT IN, WHICH ESSENTIALLY LIKE A FRENCH DRAIN TO SLOW THINGS DOWN, GO ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
SO IF ANYTHING, THE RUNOFF SHOULD BE LESS THAN IT THAN IT IS CURRENTLY.
SO THE, THE APPLICANT'S BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE TO, TO THE QUESTIONS ON THAT.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE SIDEWALK? BECAUSE THE, ON OLD ARMY ROAD, THE SIDE SIDEWALKS ARE PRETTY BAD AND THERE IS ALREADY COMPLAINT ABOUT, UH, KIDS WALKING DOWN, UP AND DOWN.
THAT'S YEAH, SIDEWALK DOESN'T, THERE'S A SIDEWALK THERE ISN'T THERE? OR IS IT THERE'S BUT PRETTY BAD.
THINK IT'S A ASPHALT PATH? I THINK IT'S PROBABLY WHAT IT IS.
I THINK THEY, THEY, THEY ALREADY HAD A COUPLE OF OTHER, IT'S A BIG, I THINK THERE IS A SOMETHING GOING AT THE SCHOOL THERE TONIGHT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT.
I THINK IT'S GENERALLY ABOUT, NO, I THINK THAT ALSO HAS TO DO WITH SOMETHING THE TOWN HAD ISSUED ABOUT HAVING, UH, NEIGHBORS REPAIR THEIR OWN SIDEWALKS.
THAT'S WHAT OH, THAT, RIGHT, THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT.
IT'S A LITTLE DI LITTLE DIFFERENT SITUATION WITH THAT.
BUT I THINK WE, IF THEY'RE BUILDING UP THE WHOLE NEW EXIT, UH, ACCESS TO THE DRIVEWAY, UH, CAN THEY, CAN THEY DO THE REST OF THE THINGS IN FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY, AT LEAST A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE ALL UP AND DOWN.
SO SINCE THEY'RE DOING THE WHOLE, WE CAN HAVE THAT CAN ASK.
YEAH, WE CAN ASK MS. CROSS, DID YOU HEAR THAT COMMENT? I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST WE'RE HEARING ABOUT THE SIDEWALK.
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UM, IT'S, I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT THE ISSUE IS.SO THE QUESTION IS, IF, IF THE SIDEWALK ITSELF SELF, BUT THE CONSTRUCTION ISN'T POOR SHAPE, IS IT POSSIBLE WHEN THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING THE LEVELING AND, AND PAVING THE, THE, UH, DRIVEWAY, THE DRIVEWAY ANYWAY TO JUST TRY TO REPAIR THE SIDEWALK AT THE SAME TIME? IS IT SOMETHING THE APPLICANT WOULD CONSIDER DOING? NEVER ANDREW.
UH, SO RIGHT NOW WHAT'S PREPARED, WHAT'S INCLUDED WITHIN THE, THE PROJECT IS TO TIE INTO THAT EXISTING SIDEWALK AND PROVIDE NEW CONCRETE, THE AREA WHERE WE'RE TYING IN, ESPECIALLY IN THE AREA WHERE THE DRIVEWAY CONNECTS, UM, IT WAS NOT PLANNED TO INCLUDE THE, UH, FULL SIDEWALK, UM, FULL SIDEWALK RECONSTRUCTION AS PART OF THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE OUR PREFERENCE NOT TO, UH, E EXTEND OR, OR RE BASICALLY REDESIGN AND REINSTALL THAT SIDEWALK AS PART OF THIS PROJECT REDESIGN.
LIKE A, THEY CONSIDER, NO, I DON'T THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REDESIGNING IT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO RE REDESIGN 60 FEET AND THEN GO BACK TO WHAT IT IS.
THE QUESTION IS IF IT'S IN DISREPAIR NOW, IF THERE WERE CRACKS OR HOLES IN IT, COULD YOU AT LEAST JUST REPAIR IT AS, AS PART OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING JUST, JUST IN FRONT OF YOUR PROPERTY? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANYWHERE ELSE, JUST IN FRONT PROPERTY.
WE'RE NOT ASKING TO EXTEND IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
JUST TO, JUST, SINCE YOU'RE THERE ANYWAY, JUST NOT ASKING FOR YOU TO PUT UP CURBING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
JUST REPAIR THAT SIDEWALK THAT'S THERE NOW IF IT'S CRACKED OR WHATEVER WITH, WITH THAT, WITH WHICH IS AS, WHICH IS AN ASPHALT PATH.
IT'S JUST ASPHALT, SO IT'S NOT EVEN CONCRETE.
AND, AND, AND WITH THE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE TORN DOWN.
YOU MAY BREAK IT UP EVEN MORE WITH THE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES.
WELL, UM, I I THINK THAT THE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLE, ANY AREA WHERE WE WOULD BE DOING THE WORK IS, IS REALLY WHERE THE DRIVEWAY CONNECTS AND THAT SIDEWALK IS PLANNED TO BE REPLACED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
ARE YOU PUTTING IN FILL, YOU'RE ALSO PUTTING IN FILL NOT TO GET INTO REPAIRING THE SIDEWALK BEYOND WHERE WE'RE TYING IN.
IF POSSIBLE, IF YOU COULD, WE IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
AND BY THE WAY, YOU DO HAVE A BACKHOE OR SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE PUTTING, FILL INTO THE FRONT YARD.
SO YOU, YOU DO HAVE A CONSTRUCTION BE ON THE DRIVEWAY TOO.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE VEHICLES WORKING TO, TO WITH THE FILL TO BRING UP THAT, UH, THE FRONT YARD TO GRADE AND PUT IN AND ALSO PUT IN THE CALEX.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES IN FRONT OF THERE, NOT ASKING FOR MAJOR, MAJOR WORK AND YOU KNOW, REPAVING THE WHOLE THING JUST TO REPAIR IT.
TO THE EXTENT IF THERE'S A REPAIR NECESSARY, YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO COORDINATE WITH TOWN STAFF JUST IN FRONT OF YOUR 75 FEET OR WHAT IT IS A FRONTAGE ALONG OLD ARMY.
I MEAN, I, I WOULD BE GLAD TO INCLUDE, UH, LANGUAGE THAT SAYS IF THERE'S ANY DAMAGE THAT OCCURS AS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION, WE'D ABSOLUTELY REMEDY THAT.
UM, BUT I THINK OUR PREFERENCE WOULD BE NOT TO EXPAND THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT TO REPAIR THE DRIVEWAY ALONG THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE.
AND I THINK, I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES HERE IS THAT SINCE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IT'S BEING RAISED, ONE, WE DON'T WANNA DELAY ANY OF OUR APPROVALS, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO ASSESS WHAT THE CONDITION IS.
WELL LOOK, THIS IS WHAT I WANNA DO.
I DON'T WANNA PUT IT IN AS A CONDITION.
AND WE DO WANNA MOVE ON TONIGHT.
SO WHAT I WOULD ASK YOU TO DO IS TALK TO MR. SCHMIDT OUTSIDE OF THIS AND, AND TO WORK, YOU KNOW, TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE THERE.
I I THINK IT MAY GET WORSE WITH, WITH, AND FRANKLY IT'S THE SAFETY OF YOUR APPLICANT TOO.
I WAS GONNA SAY IT'S NICER FOR THAT PROPERTY RIGHT.
UM, SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING LARGE HERE, BUT WE'RE CAN YOU JUST DO US A FAVOR AND WORK IT OUT WITH MR. MR. SCHMIDT? IT WILL NOT BE PUT IN AS A CONDITION.
WE CAN ABSOLUTELY COORDINATE WITH, UH, WITH THEIR OFFICE ON THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, DECLARE THIS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER PLEASE.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT PASSES.
COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT? SO MOVE.
UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE TREE? THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT PLEASE.
YOU WANT A SECOND? IT, MONA? SECOND HALF A SECOND.
MORA SECONDS IT ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR ASSISTANCE WITH THIS.
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WE'RE DOING 'EM ALL SO FAR.OKAY, NEXT CASE IS P P 2134, WHICH IS THE SHAW SUBDIVISION OF 25, UH, THOMAS STREET, SCARSDALE.
OBVIOUSLY YOU APPROVED A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION ON THIS.
UM, DO YOU WANNA DESCRIBE IT A LITTLE BIT AND TELL US, UH, MR. SCHMIDT, IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES TO THE, TO THE APPLICATION? RIGHT.
SO YOU MAY RECALL THAT THIS RELATED TO THE RE SUBDIVISION OF TWO LOTS INTO ONE LOT TO FACILITATE AN ADDITION TO AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE THAT THE CANDY CANE SHAPED SMALL ACCESS PIECE.
UM, AND THEN THE OVERALL BUILDING LOT.
SO THE PROPOSAL WAS TO COMBINE THOSE TWO SO THAT THEY COULD, UM, MEET THE F A R REQUIREMENTS FOR THE LOTS.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN NO SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES TO THE PLATT SINCE IT WAS PRELIMINARILY APPROVED AND THERE WOULD BE TWO VOTES.
ONE TO CONSIDER WAIVING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE FINAL SUBDIVISION AND THE SECOND BEING ON THE FINAL SUBDIVISION ITSELF.
ANY, ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE I ASK FOR MOTION? OKAY, THEN CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO WAIVE, UH, THE FINAL SUBDIVISION HEARING PLEASE? SO, SECOND.
CAN I HAVE A, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINAL SUBDIVISION THEN? SO MOVED.
THIS IS, UH, FIVE YEARS IN THE MAKING TO GET TO THIS POINT.
JUST ABOUT 2017 IS I THINK WHEN WE, WE FIRST HEARD THIS, JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS CASE, SO THAT YOU GUYS KNOW.
UM, THIS CASE CAME TO US IN 2017 AS A 10 LOT SUBDIVISION.
IT THEN WENT TO A FIVE LOT SUBDIVISION.
IT IS NOW DOWN TO A FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION.
AND ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS, UH, THAT I THINK IS AMAZING IS THAT THIS APPLICANT WORKED WITH THE TOWN.
'CAUSE IT WAS A, IF ANY OF YOU DRIVE DOWN THE PIPELINE, THERE USED TO BE, UH, A LAKE AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS.
UH, WHEN IT RAINS REALLY HARD.
RIGHT BEFORE WE GET TO HARTSDALE STATION, WE FOUND, WE DISCOVERED THAT THE WATER OR THE APPLICANT DISCOVERED THAT THE WATER IS ACTUALLY NOT COMING OFF OF THIS PROPERTY AT ALL.
IT WAS COMING FROM ABOVE THIS PROPERTY.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, IT'S ON THE SIDE OF A HILL AND GOES UP THE HILL AND COMING THROUGH THIS PROPERTY.
AND IT TURNED OUT THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A PIPE ON THERE THAT WAS SMALL AND JAMMED.
AND AS PART OF THIS PROP PART OF THIS APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT AGREED AT THEIR EXPENSE TO FIX THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM OF THE STUFF THAT WAS COMING OFF OF OLD COLONY ROAD.
SO THIS HAS BEEN A WIN-WIN SITUATION.
I MEAN, NOBODY LIKES TO SEE TREES COME DOWN, NOBODY LIKES TO SEE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, MORE AND MORE HOUSES, BUT YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO BUILD.
AND THIS WAS A CASE WHERE YOU CAN SEE HOW LONG IT TOOK TO GET THIS THING THROUGH AND ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE BY, UM, THE TOWN ALONG WITH THE APPLICANT AND OUR STAFF TO COME TO THE CONCLUSION WE HAVE TONIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY ON THAT.
WE HAVE TWO VOTES ON THIS TONIGHT, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, THREE.
SO THREE YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER WAVE WAIVER.
THE FINAL AND THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UH, I'LL JUST NOTE NO SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES TO THE PLAT.
THERE WAS A MODIFICATION OF AN EASEMENT, UH, WHICH ACTUALLY WAS EXPLAINED WOULD REDUCE SOME OF THE WORK IN THE TOWN RIGHT OF WAY ALONG OLD COLONY ROAD AND IN THE ROAD ITSELF.
SO IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT WAS, UH, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED THAT WAS MODIFIED.
OTHER THAN THAT, NOTHING AT ALL.
AND, UH, THE BOARD CAN CERTAINLY CONSIDER VOTING ON THOSE THREE ITEMS. OKAY.
AND CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO WAIVE, UH, THE HEARING FOR THE FINAL SUBDIVISION THEN? SO MOVED.
SECOND IS TOM, UH, MOTION BY JOHANN.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINAL SUBDIVISION? SO MOVED.
AND CAN I HAVE A MOTION, MONA, FOR TO, TO APPROVE THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT? SO MOVED.
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OKAY, THAT CARRIES.I MATT, THANK YOU CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS.
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GO IN A PUBLIC HEARING NOW.
UM, YOU'RE IN BUT CAN'T SEE HIM.
SO BARBARA, YOU'RE READY? I ASSUME? YEAH.
DO WE HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING WITH TELEVISION, RIGHT? WE'RE OKAY? I THINK WE'RE OKAY.
WE WILL JUST DO THE ROLL AGAIN.
READY AND ANNOUNCE THAT WE'RE GOING IN.
UH, WELCOME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF TONIGHT'S PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
UM, MR. SCHMIDT, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? SURE.
NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MS. FREYTAG IS PARTICIPATING VIA ZOOM.
MR. GOLDEN AND MS. DAVIS ARE NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
WE HAVE, UH, ONE CASE TONIGHT, WHICH IS IN THE DALEWOOD TWO SHOPPING CENTER IN THE SPACE.
IT USED TO BE A PET STORE, I BELIEVE, UH, AT 3 85 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
UH, THE REASON THEY HAVE TO COME IN, IT'S REPLACING SAME SPACE, BUT REPLACING IT WITH A RESTAURANT, UH, PARIS BAGUETTE, WHICH WE MORE DESCRIPTION IN A SECOND FROM THE APPLICANT.
AND WHEN THEY DO THAT, IT CHANGES THE PARKING REQUIREMENT UNDER OUR LAW.
THE PARKING REQUIREMENT'S STRICTER FOR A RESTAURANT THAN IT IS FOR, UH, FOR, UH, A, UH, RETAIL STORE.
AND THEREFORE THEY NEED A SPECIAL PERMIT.
THIS BOARD HAS THE, UH, JURISDICTION FOR ALL SPECIAL PERMITS OF RESTAURANTS ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
THAT'S WHY I'VE BEEN BOOKED WARD FOR THIS.
AND ALSO, THEY HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION.
AND THE, THE, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION IS, IT'S WHEN YOU HAVE A, UH, A BUSINESS THAT'S REALLY COMPLIMENTARY TO OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN THE AREA AND MAY HAVE A LITTLE DIFFERENT WORK IN A LITTLE DIFFERENT DAY PART.
LIKE, MAYBE THIS WORKS EARLIER IN THE MORNING THAN, THAN BEST BUY, FOR EXAMPLE, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S WHEN WE DO A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION.
ONE THING THAT CAN TELL YOU IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED OUR BOARD MEETINGS FOR YEARS, WE HAVE NOT UPDATED, UH, OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN A LONG TIME, AND THEY'RE OUT OF DATE RELATIVE TO THE CURRENT STANDARDS FOR SHOPPING CENTERS.
WE'RE ACTUALLY OVER PARKED ACCORDING TO, TO, UH, THE NATIONAL STANDARDS FOR THAT.
SO WHEN THESE THINGS COME UP, WE DO TAKE THAT TO, TO, TO, UH, CONSIDERATION.
AND AT ONE TIME, MR. GOLDEN, WHO HASN'T HERE SAYS, WHY THE HECK HAVEN'T WE CHANGED, CHANGED THE LAW YET
UM, AND IN FACT, IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE CHANGED, BUT THAT'S WHY WE, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE SHARED PARKING REDUCTIONS VIRTUALLY ALL THE TIME IN SHOPPING CENTERS FOR THAT EXACT REASON.
OKAY, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD, AARON, BEFORE WE GO TO? NO, I THINK WE COVERED IT.
EVENING CHAIRMAN SCHWARTZ, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD FOR THE RECORD.
I'M WITH THE FIRM OF LANG AND ENGINEERING, REPRESENTING THE OWNERS OF DALEWOOD TWO SHOPPING CENTER.
THAT BEING BRICKS MORE PROPERTIES.
MARK NEWMAN IS ALSO HERE WITH ME TONIGHT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE OWNER, I FEEL LIKE THE CHAIRMAN DID MY PRESENTATION.
ALONG WITH THAT, WE'RE REQUESTING A PARKING SPACE WAIVER, WHICH AS THE CHAIRMAN DESCRIBED, TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THESE OVERLAPPING USES, BOTH FROM, UM, FROM A PATRON PERSPECTIVE AND A TIMING PERSPECTIVE.
THIS IS A 3000 SQUARE FOOT SPACE THAT'S BEEN EMPTY FOR BETTER THAN TWO YEARS.
WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THEM COMING TO THE CENTER.
THEY ARE, ACCORDING TO YOUR CODE, A RESTAURANT USE.
SO WE LOOK AT THEM FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
WHEN IT COMES TO PARKING FOR THIS, USE THE CODE.
YOUR CODE REQUIRES 40 PARKING SPACES FOR THE RETAIL SPACE.
THERE'S A 15 SPACE REQUIREMENT.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENTIAL OF 25 SPACES.
SO ALONG WITH THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WHICH WE'RE ASKING FOR TONIGHT, UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS PARKING WAIVER.
NOW, SOME, MAYBE NOT ALL THE MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD HAVE SAT BEFORE.
UH, WE, WE'VE BEEN BEFORE YOU ON PRIOR APPLICATIONS FOR DALEWOOD TWO, YOU'VE GRANTED TWO PRIOR PARKING, SHARED PARKING UTILIZATIONS.
UM, ONE WAS WHEN WE, UH, CREATED THE OUT PARCEL FOR SHAKE SHACK.
AND THE OTHER IS WHEN WE TOOK THE ADJACENT 2,500 SQUARE FOOT OF RETAIL SPACE AND CONVERTED IT TO A RESTAURANT.
ALSO, HOWEVER, IN SUPPORT OF OUR REQUEST FOR THIS PARKING
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UTILIZATION WAIVER, UH, WE'VE SUBMITTED A, A FAIRLY DETAILED TRAFFIC AND PARKING UTILIZATION STUDY, WHICH TO THE CHAIRMAN'S POINT BASICALLY GIVES YOU A TRUE REPRESENTATION OF THE UTILIZATION OF THE PARKING AT THE CENTER, WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN COMPARING CAR UH, REQUIREMENTS VERSUS PROPOSED.THIS IS REALLY HOW MANY CARS PARK AT THE CENTER.
UM, WE DID OUR STUDY, ALTHOUGH IT'S A COUPLE YEARS OLD, OLD, IT WAS DONE AT ONE OF THE PEAK TIMES OF THE YEAR, THE WEEKEND BEFORE CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY.
SO IT'S A VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE.
AND, AND THE UPDATED STUDY THAT WE SUBMITTED SHOWS THAT EVEN WITH THIS ADDITIONAL SPACE AND THE 25 THEORETICALLY ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES, THERE'S PLENTY OF PLACE TO PARK AT THIS CENTER, UH, FOR THIS USE TO BE ACCOMMODATED.
AND I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MIGHT HAVE.
REMEMBER, DOES THE BOARD HAVING ANY QUESTIONS? HAVING YEAH, GO AHEAD.
NO, HAVING PATRONIZED MANY STORES IN THAT, UM, PARTICULAR, PARTICULAR STRIP OVER MANY YEARS, I'VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE PARKING IN THAT SECTION.
YOU KNOW, FORGET GOING IN FRONT OF THE CHRISTMAS TREE SHOPS, BUT OVER THERE I DON'T, UH, I'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED AN ISSUE AND I DON'T FORESEE ONE.
PERSONALLY, OUR OUR STUDY SEEMS TO SUPPORT THAT.
JUST, UH, SINCE YOU'RE CHANGING THE USE, ARE THERE GOING TO BE A, UH, UH, SORT OF DUMPSTERS OR ANYTHING IN THE BACK OF IT, OR WE'RE GONNA PUT IT NO, THE, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO EXTERIOR.
SO THE EXISTING USE HAD DUMPSTERS.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A REFUGE AREA IN THE BACK THAT EXISTS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
THERE LITERALLY IS NO, OTHER THAN THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING, THERE'S NO INTENDED CHANGE TO ANY OF THE EXTERIOR COMPONENTS OF THE CENTER.
WHY DON'T YOU DESCRIBE, THEY MAY HELP, HELP MR. DESAI DESCRIBE WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY DOING INSIDE THE BUILDING IN TERMS OF THE RESTAURANT.
SO WOULD YOU LIKE A DESCRIPTION OF HOW PARIS BAG WORKS? YES.
SO THAT'S WHERE I GET TO SIT DOWN AND SOMEONE ELSE GETS TO TAKE OVER.
WE ALL WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THIS EXCITING NEW BUSINESS.
HI, I'M MARK NEWMAN WITH B BRICKS MORE PROPERTY GROUP.
AND I'M GONNA INTRODUCE YOU ONLINE TO TWO REPRESENTATIVES FROM PARIS BAGUETTE WHO ARE, UM, GOING TO, YOU KNOW, SPEAK A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE, THE, THE OPERATION, THE BAKERY.
IT'S A REALLY A BAKERY SLASH RESTAURANT.
HOW ARE YOU DOING? I'M CHRISTIE KEEFE.
I WORK AT PARIS BAGUETTE AS A NEW STORE DEVELOPMENT MANAGER.
UM, SO I WILL TELL YOU A BIT ABOUT WHAT WE DO.
UM, WE PREPARE ALL OF OUR PRODUCTS ON SITE.
UM, WE ARE PRIMARILY OPEN FROM 7:00 AM TO ABOUT 9:00 PM UM, THE MAJORITY OF OUR BUSINESS, 80% OF OUR BUSINESS IS TO GO, UM, WHERE 20% IS TO STAY TO DINE IN.
UM, ARE YOU CURIOUS ABOUT OPERATION LIKE OURS? IS THERE MORE QUESTIONS OR, WELL, WHAT DO, COULD YOU TELL US ABOUT DAY PART? IS IT MORE SKEWED TOWARDS THE MORNING, FOR EXAMPLE? YEP.
OUR HIGHEST DAY PARTS IS IN THE MORNING FROM 7:00 AM TO 9:00 AM UM, AND THEN WE HAVE AN AFTER WORK LUNCH AROUND 4:00 PM TO 6:00 PM EVERYONE'S COMING HOME PICKING UP THEIR DESSERTS.
UM, SOME LAST MINUTE PASTRIES.
UM, THOSE ARE USUALLY OUR BUSIEST TIMES OF, OF THE CAFE.
AND WHAT ARE THE OPERATING HOURS? 7:00 AM TO 9:00 PM 7:00 AM TO 9:00 PM AND WHAT ABOUT DELIVERIES? OF, OF, AND WHERE WILL THE DELIVERIES COME FRONT OR BACK? UM, I BELIEVE THE DELIVERIES ON AVERAGE.
NORMALLY AT MO, THE MAJORITY OF OUR CAFES COME THROUGH THE FRONT.
UM, WE DO HAVE UBER EATS AND DOORDASH IS AVAILABLE.
UM, BUT IT'S A, I I'M TALKING ABOUT THOSE DELIVERIES.
I'M TALKING ABOUT SUPPLIES, SO, SO I'LL HELP HER HERE.
SO THE SUPPLIES WILL COME IN THE BACK.
SO ALL, ALL TRUCK TRAFFIC WILL BE INTO THE BACK OF THE CENTER, LIKE THE OTHER STORES IN THE CENTER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CHRISTIE? NO.
THANK YOU FOR NOT GIVING US THE CALORIE COUNTS BECAUSE I'M SURE I'LL DOWN.
YOU DEFINITELY, THERE ARE NO CALORIES FOR THE PLANNING BOARD, CORRECT? CORRECT.
YOU WAVE OUR, WAVE OUR CALORIES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NO.
ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THEN? NO.
ANYBODY ON ZOOM WANNA SPEAK ON THIS? OKAY.
IN WHICH CASE I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN TILL OCTOBER 12TH.
CAN I HAVE THAT MOTION PLEASE? SO MOVED.
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AND THEN WALTER, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.AND AN A FOR AN A IT'LL BE ON ON, IT'LL BE ON FOR DECISION AT OUR NEXT, AT OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS THE OCTOBER 19TH.
SO BACK TO REGULAR WEDNESDAY, RIGHT? OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR MEETING TONIGHT PLEASE? SO MOVED.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK INTO WORK SESSION.
UM, WE'RE GOING INTO OUR NEW BUSINESS PORTION TONIGHT.
WE HAVE UH, THREE PROJECTS ON, ON TONIGHT FOR NEW BUSINESS.
THE FIRST ONE IS PB, SORRY, TB 2216, WHICH IS THE SUNNY DALE COUNTRY CLUB.
IT'S A TOWN AMENDED SITE PLAN.
GUESS THERE'S NO STEEP SLOPE OR ANYTHING WITH THIS ONE? UH, NO THERE IS NOT.
THERE'S A TOWN BOARD AMENDED SITE PLAN AND A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
OH THERE IS A TREE REMOVAL BUT IS THAT BACK TO THAT, THAT THAT RESTS WITH THE TOWN BOARD.
SO, UH, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE US A LITTLE QUICK DESCRIPTION AND THEN WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT? SURE.
IT'S AN AMENDED SITE PLAN APPLICATION AS WE'VE MENTIONED.
TOWN BOARD IS THE APPROVING BODY AND THERE IS A REQUIRED REFERRAL TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING.
IT INVOLVES PROPOSED ADDITIONS TO TWO ONSITE BUILDINGS IN APPROXIMATELY 8,070 SQUARE FOOT.
ADDITION TO AN EXISTING CART BARN STRUCTURE TO BE KNOWN AS THE FIRST T BUILDING.
AND I KNOW I'M TAKING SOME OF THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION OUT.
UM, THERE'S ALSO THE PROPOSED REMOVAL OF 15 REGULATED TREES AND THERE'S AN APPROXIMATELY 1,368 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE EXISTING CLUBHOUSE BUILDING.
UM, THERE'S A LANDSCAPING PLAN.
I'LL LET THE APPLICANT GO THROUGH THAT.
THE PROJECT, AS I MENTIONED, HAS BEEN REFERRED TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR A RECOMMENDATION.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING.
THEY WILL NOT BE BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD.
WE'RE USED TO SEEING APPLICANTS COME BACK.
'CAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THERE ARE ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITS, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH AMENDED SITE PLANS, BUT NOT IN THIS CASE.
WAS THERE A LEAVE AGENCY UH, DECLARATION? YES, THE TOWN BOARD DECLARED INTENT.
SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING.
SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION, YOU MIGHT TAKE A VOTE TO DECLARE NO OBJECTION.
VOTE, VOTE, UH, NOT TO OBJECT TO THE TOWN BOARD BEING LEAD AGENCY.
WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT.
HELEN MARCH WITH THE LAW FIRM OF MINSTER MATCH ON BEHALF OF SUNNINGDALE COUNTRY CLUB.
UH, WITH ME TONIGHT WE HAVE UH, THE TEAM, WE HAVE DANA CAN, WHO IS THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE CLUB, DAVID CUY.
PRESIDENT OF SUNDALE COUNTRY CLUB.
DON IAN AND ALAN BRAT WHO ARE CO-CHAIRS OF THE CONSTRUCTION COMMITTEE AND ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PLANS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT TONIGHT.
UM, ZACH PEARSON FROM INSIDE ENGINEERING, WHO I KNOW, YOU KNOW, AND HE SEEMS TO BE HERE EVERY WEEK.
UM, AND VIRTUALLY WE HAVE, UH, THE ARCHITECT PETER BACIO FROM J B D J G A DESIGN AND ARCHITECTURE.
SO HE SHOULD ALSO BE HERE THROUGH ZOOM.
UM, SO OUR APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD ON SEPTEMBER 15TH, THE DAY AFTER THE TOWN BOARD ADOPTED A RESOLUTION FOR LEAD AGENCY AND REFERRAL TO YOUR BOARD.
UM, ZACH AND PETER WILL EXPLAIN, UM, THAT WHAT THE CLUB IS PROPOSING IS TO UPGRADE TO EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT ARE CENTRALLY LOCATED ON THE CLUB PROPERTY AND TO PROVIDE FOR SOME ADDITIONAL CASUAL DINING AND A LARGER BAG DROP AREA, WHICH HAS, UH, BECOME TOO SMALL, UM, AND A AND A NEW PRO SHOP AND INDOOR GOLF INSTRUCTION AND FITNESS AREAS WITHIN THE FIRST TEE BUILDING.
AND THEY'LL SHOW THAT TO YOU ON THE PLAN.
UH, THIS PROJECT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE CLUB TO STAY COMPETITIVE AND TO BE ABLE TO OFFER THESE UPGRADES TO THEIR EXISTING MEMBERSHIP.
SO, UM, AS AARON MENTIONED, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO PRESENT THE AMENDED SITE PLAN APPLICATION TO YOUR BOARD AND ASK THE BOARD TO ISSUE A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL PASS IT OFF TO ZACH.
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OKAY.MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, ZACH PEARSON WITH INSIDE ENGINEERING.
UM, CAN, CAN YOU GUYS ALL SEE MY SCREEN ALL RIGHT? YES.
SO, UH, AS HELEN MENTIONED, THE THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS, UH, CENTRAL TO THE CLUB.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE, THE BOXED AREA ON THE PLAN, UH, DESIGNATES THE AREAS FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS.
YEAH, THIS IS THE EXISTING CLUBHOUSE HERE.
THIS CLUSTER BUILDING IS THE EXISTING, UH, PRO SHOP AND CARDBOARD AREA.
UM, WE'RE PROPOSING AN ADDITION, UM, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CLUBHOUSE WITH A TCE EXPANSION ON THE WEST SIDE.
UM, WE'RE GONNA KEEP A PORTION OF THE EXISTING CART BARN, REMOVE THE EXISTING FIRST TEE BUILDINGS.
AND YOU'LL SEE ON THE, AS I GO THROUGH THE SITE PLANS, THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER SMALLER BUILDINGS, UH, WHERE THE HAND IS HERE.
AND, UH, ONE, BASICALLY ONE STRUCTURE WILL END UP THERE, UM, IN THE PROPOSED CONDITION.
SO JUST GO TO THE, HERE'S THE SITE PLAN.
YOU CAN SEE A PORTION OF THE EXISTING TERRACE WILL COME OUT.
UM, THIS IS, THESE, THIS IS THE CLUSTER OF BUILDINGS HERE THAT ALL, THAT ALL COME DOWN WITH SOME TREES THAT HAVE KIND OF OVERGROWN THOSE, THOSE EXISTING STRUCTURES.
THIS PORTION HERE OF THE CART BARN WOULD REMAIN.
UM, HERE'S, HERE'S THE, UH, LAYOUT PLAN.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE A, A BAR ADDITION INDOOR OUTDOOR BAR TERRACE TO EXPAND AROUND.
UM, THAT ADDITION OFF THE WEST SIDE OF THE CLUBHOUSE.
FIRST TEE BUILDING, AGAIN, THERE'S THE EXISTING PORTION, UM, OF THE CART BARN TO STAY.
THIS, THIS GARAGE WILL STAY AS WELL.
AND THE FIRST TEE BUILDING ENDS UP IN THIS LOCATION WITH, UM, LARGER PRO SHOP, UM, INDOOR GOLF STUDIO AND INDOOR, UH, LARGER BAG STORAGE.
UH, LANDSCAPING IS TO CONTINUE, UM, AROUND THE NEW TERRACE.
KIND OF WORK WITH THE EXISTING LANDSCAPING THAT'S OFF THE WEST SIDE OF THE TERRACE.
UM, WE'VE GOT SOME NEW PLANTING IN HERE BY THE FIRST T, UM, GRADING PLAN.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO COLLECT ALL THE STORMWATER RUNOFF FROM THE IMPROVEMENTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH TOWN CODE.
WE'RE GONNA BE DOING A STORMWATER INFILTRATION SYSTEM IN THIS, THIS AREA, IN THIS LOCATION.
UM, ADDITIONAL OF TWO HANDICAP SPACES IN THIS J JUST NORTH OF THE PRO SHOP WITH ACCESS TO THE FIRST TEE BUILDING.
UM, WE ARE IN RECEIPT OF THE FIRE CHIEF'S COMMENTS, UH, VIA EMAIL.
WE DID HAVE A MEETING WITH HIM, UH, ON SITE LAST WEEK.
UM, I'M GONNA JUST SHOW YOU QUICKLY.
UM, HE HAD A, HE HAD A FEW COMMENTS RELATIVE TO ACCESS AND A HYDRANT LOCATION.
UH, THE CLUB'S GONNA BE WORKING ON PROVIDING A, A STABILIZED GRASS, ESSENTIALLY A PAVER AREA HERE FOR A PULL OFF.
WE WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A SPOT WHERE HE CAN GET TRUCKS STAGED OFF THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND STILL GET TO THE, TO THE FIRST T BUILDING IN THE BACK, AS WELL AS THERE'S AN EXISTING, UH, PATH FROM THE, UM, JUST TO THE EAST OF THE CLUBHOUSE THAT MAKES ITS WAY UP PAST THE FIRST T WHERE THE HAND IS HERE.
HE'S GOT TWO POINTS OF ACCESS.
UM, THERE IS A, THE, THE PROPOSED FIRST TEE BUILDING WILL BE SPRINKLED.
UM, AND WITH THIS BUILDING, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO RUN A NEW FIRE ACCESS LINE OFF OF THE EXISTING FIRE LINE THAT FEEDS THE CLUBHOUSE.
SO WE WILL BE PROVIDING A HYDRANT IN THIS LOCATION HERE.
AGAIN, SATISFYING HIS COMMENT.
OVERALL, HE WAS VERY HAPPY WITH, WITH THE, THE PROPOSED, UM, IMPROVEMENTS.
AND I'VE ALSO GOT SOME RENDERINGS QUICK, I'LL SHOW THOSE.
THESE ARE THE ARCHITECT'S RENDERINGS.
PETER'S, UM, THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST, THIS IS LOOKING KIND OF FROM THE PRO SHOP TOWARDS THE FIRST TEE BUILDING.
UM, THIS IS LOOKING KIND OF FROM THE PRACTICE GREEN OVER TOWARDS THE FIRST TEE BUILDING.
AND HERE YOU CAN SEE THE ADDITION, THE BAR ADDITION OFF THE CLUBHOUSE WITH THE TCE EXPANSION.
AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF LOOKING, YOU KNOW, FROM WEST TO EAST BACK AT THE CLUBHOUSE.
AND THIS IS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, COMBINATION OF THE TWO.
SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MAY HAVE ON THE SITE PLAN.
UM, AND THIS IS PRETTY FAR FROM ANY SURROUNDING RESIDENCES AS FAR AS I COULD TELL.
DO YOU HAVE EXISTENCE? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, I CAN COUPLE HUNDRED FEET AT LEAST.
YEAH, I THINK, I MEAN, AT LEAST TWO 50 MEAN WE'RE 267 FEET FROM THE CART BARN TO THE EXISTING PROPERTY CORNER, WHICH IS ACROSS A GOLF HOLE.
AND THEN THERE'S, THERE'S SOME WOODS THERE AS WELL.
SO ANY CHANGES THAT YOU'RE MAKING IN THAT AREA REALLY AREN'T GONNA BE VISIBLE OR CAUSE DISTURBANCE TO ANYONE THAT
CENTRALLY, LO CENTRALLY LOCATED, AGAIN, THERE'S TREE AND REMOVAL PERMIT, WHICH WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE TOWN BOARD.
WE ARE TAKING DOWN TREES, BUT WE HAVE TO PLANT TREES TO MAKE UP FOR THOSE.
SO THAT'S ALL WE TAKING ACCOUNT.
I'M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? BECAUSE THEY WERE TALKING JUST ABOUT THE TREES.
YEAH, SO THERE'S A, THERE'S, I FORGET THAT, I THINK AARON SAID THERE'S 15 TREES OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
WE DID TREE REMOVAL PERMIT TO THE TOWN BOARD.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S TREE PLANTING THAT HAS TO HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, PER THE TOWN CODE TO PUT BACK TREES.
SO THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE TOWN FORESTRY OFFICER TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH CHAPTER TWO 60.
UM, I JUST WISH TO PIGGYBACK ON, UM, TOM HAYES COMMENT, WHAT IS THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF
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THE BUILDING NOW AND WHAT WILL BE THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE AFTER THE EXTENSION? IT'S TWO BUILDINGS.YEAH, I KNOW, BUT SOME OF THE BUILDINGS INCORPORATED INTO, UH, TWO TO THE ONE BUILDING.
SO SOME OF THE BUILDINGS ARE TORN DOWN.
SO I'M, SO WHAT'S THE NET DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT YOU HAVE NOW AND WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE? BECAUSE LOOKING AT THE PLAN, SOME THINGS ARE BEING TORN DOWN, SOME ARE BEING ADD, INCORPORATED INTO THE NEW BUILDING.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE WHAT IS THE NET CHANGE.
AND THEN WE PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE OF HOW FAR THE, THE NEIGHBORS ARE.
AND, UM, AND THOSE HOMES AROUND THERE ARE PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL IN SIZE.
SO YOU GET A BETTER FEE, YOU KNOW, SIZE, THE SIZE OF BUILDING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
COULD YOU HAVE THAT BY THE PUBLIC HEARING? ABSOLUTELY.
YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, RIGHT? THIS FRAME SHED COMES OUT.
THIS FRAME SHED COMES OUT, YEAH, THIS BUILDING COMES OUT.
IF YOU COULD JUST DO THE ARITHMETIC BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING, NOT A PROBLEM.
WE CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE INCREASE IS.
I WASN'T SURE BY READING THROUGH THIS.
IS THIS DESIGNED FOR A 25 YEAR STORM PER TIME CODE 25 YEAR STORM? YEAH.
SO THAT TRIGGERS MY NEXT QUESTION.
I THINK I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
DO DO, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY? OKAY, LET ME PUT IT POSITIVELY,
UH, YOU BE WILLING, UH, UH, UH, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO VOLUNTARILY DESIGN THIS TO A 50 YEAR STORM? I WILL TAKE A LOOK.
I, I, WE HAD VERY GOOD SOILS IN THE AREA OF THE INFILTRATION, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS PROJECT FOR THAT WAS HERE BEFORE YOU GUYS ON, UM, I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE.
WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT FOR THIS.
WE'RE TRYING TO DO THAT AS, AS A STANDARD UNDERSTOOD.
GOOD FOR THE GOLF COURSE TOO, I WOULD ASSUME.
IT HELPS HER, YOU KNOW, DOWNSTREAM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD OR MONA? NO, I, I THINK ETTE HAS SOME, OH, QUICK.
WALTER TOOK MY 50 YEAR STORM QUESTION.
WELL, GEE, WALTER, THAT WASN'T VERY NICE.
IS THERE ANY RESTAURANT WOULD BE PART OF IT, OR THERE IS EXISTING RESTAURANT AND IT WILL EXPAND IT.
SO THE, THE ADDITION ON THE CLUBHOUSE IS A BAR THAT'S A BAR ADDITION.
OH, NOT, NOT THE FULL RESTAURANT.
NO, THE, THE KITCHEN IS INTERNAL TO THE CLUB.
HAS, HAS IT BEEN BEFORE YOU BUILT THE BAR, WAS THERE ACTIVITY OUTSIDE BEFORE OF YOU WITH IT TENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? IS IT GONNA ADD MUCH TO THE NOISE OR ANYTHING OF THE OUTSIDE? WELL, THEY, THEY'VE USED THE TERRACE FOR OUTDOOR DINING.
SO THE, THE TERRACE GETS BUMPED OUT AND THEN THE, THE, UH, THE ADDITION GETS BUMPED OUT AND THE TERRACE GOES AROUND THAT.
SO THE BAR'S AN INDOOR OUTDOOR BAR, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE RENDERING.
WAS IT, IT WASN'T BEFORE THOUGH.
IT WAS JUST AN INDOOR BAR, BAR BEFORE.
UH, THEY, IT WAS NOT, IT WAS JUST A, YOU GUYS DO HAVE AN OUTDOOR BAR FURTHER? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
YEAH, THERE'S AN OUTDOOR BAR ON THE TERRACE, KIND OF IN THIS LOCATION HERE.
ANY OTHER QUE QUICK? MARK, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WALTER TAKE? OH, KURT, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE.
I WANTED, I, YOU WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT JUST THE LAST QUESTION SURE.
IS THE LIGHTING WOULD BE SIMILAR.
YEAH, SO I, WE HAVE A LIGHTING PLAN IN OUR, OUR SET.
YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, THE DOORS, THE, THE ENTRY DOORS INTO THE, THE BAR ARE LIT, THE WALL'S GOT DOWN LIGHTING, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A KNEE, IT'S LIKE KIND OF A KNEE WALL, RIGHT? SO THERE'S, THERE'S DOWN LIGHTING ON THE WALL, PLUS THERE'S A FEW LIGHTS ALONG THIS PATH, WHICH GET YOU FROM THE MEN'S LOCKER ROOM.
AND OFF OF THIS TERRACE TO THE FIRST TEE, AGAIN, LOW.
I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING FEET OFF THE GROUND.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY? OKAY.
I GUESS WE CAN PUT THIS ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, I THINK, DO WE DO A PUBLIC HEARING? NO, NO NEED.
OH, WE DON'T NEED JUST A RECOMMENDATION.
YOU CAN DIRECT STAFF OR YOU CAN VOTE ON SOMETHING TONIGHT THAT WE CAN DRAFT ON.
DO YOU WANT I I DON'T HAVE VOTES.
A MOTION TO TONIGHT, UH, FOR POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOM BOARD.
DO I HAVE THAT MOTION? SO MOVED.
SECOND, BUT I'D LIKE TO ADD JOHAN TO A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD TO IT? WALTER, GO AHEAD.
UH, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT CONSIDER UPGRADING TO A 50 YEAR STORM, UH, CAPABILITY.
I THINK THAT WAS MO'S AMENDMENT TOO.
SO CAN I HAVE A, A, A REVISED RECOMMENDATION AS AMENDED THEN TO ADD THE 50 YEAR STORY? I MOVE THAT WE, NOW, NOW YOU'VE GOT ME BACK UP AGAIN.
JUST RECOMMENDATIONS AMENDED, UH, THAT WE, UM, REFER A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION AS AMENDED.
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IN FAVOR? JOHANN, I, AYE.THANK, WE'LL DRAFT THAT UP AND GET IT OFF TO YOU SO THAT YOU CAN GET BACK BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD.
IS, IS THIS ONE OF THE 15 TREES THAT CAME OUT
ANYONE THAT WANTS TO GO DIGITAL ONLY LET ME KNOW.
AFTER THIS I MIGHT CONSIDER IT.
I DON'T, YOU CAN ASK THEM TO HAVE A HOP SIZE, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT A MUCH EASIER TO REVIEW AND SAVE SOME MORE TREES.
OKAY, NEXT IS CASE PB 2201, UH, REESE.
IT'S A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION ON BEAVER HILL ROAD.
UH, HOW MANY TIMES? THIS HAS BEEN BEFORE US.
I THINK BEFORE, RIGHT? AS THEY WERE DOING ALL THIS.
SO WE HAD A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE WITH THE PLANNING BOARD AND I'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH YOU A NUMBER OF TIMES 'CAUSE THEY WERE CLOSE TO GETTING ON.
YOU MEAN AN INITIAL PRESENTATION AS WE REFER TO THEM NOW? AN INITIAL CONFERENCE.
SO, UH, BUT AT THE TIME IT WAS REFERRED TO AS A PRE-SUBMISSION, NOW KNOWN AS AN INITIAL.
WE HAVE MR. GRIMALDI HERE AND I'M GONNA SHARE THE SCREEN, UH, TO SHOW THE PLAT.
AND THE PLAT THICKER
UH, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I AM THE ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANTS WHO, UM, OWN THE PROPERTIES THAT ABUT, UH, BEAVER HILL, UH, LANE.
UM, WE WERE, UH, BEFORE THE BOARD, PROBABLY OVER SIX MONTHS AGO TO DISCUSS, UM, OUR PLANS.
AND, UM, IT KIND OF BECAME MORE COMPLICATED 'CAUSE ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS, UM, WAS NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION AT THE TIME.
UM, I GAVE HIM ALL THE PAPERWORK WE HAD SUBMITTED.
I SPOKE TO HIM A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT HE NEVER GOT BACK TO US.
SO WE HAD TO AMEND THE SUBDIVISION PLAT, UM, TO, UH, OMIT HIM FROM THE PLAN.
SO HE, HE HAS THE SMALLEST PARCEL, I THINK IT WAS LIKE 500 SQUARE FEET.
HE'S THE ONE ON THE, HE'S THE ONE ON, ON THE END.
SO YEAH, HE'S THIS ONE OVER HERE.
SO THERE, IT WAS THIS ALMOST SQUARE PIECE, RIGHT? THAT IS NOW NOT PART OF THE PROJECT.
NO ONE ELSE CAN SEE THAT THOUGH.
EVERYBODY ON TV LAND IS WONDERING WHAT THE HECK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO THIS PIECE RIGHT HERE, YOU WANNA BLOW IT UP? JUST A TOUCH? I THINK IF WE CAN, THAT'S, OH, OKAY.
SO THIS IS NO LONGER PART OF THE PROJECT.
THIS, THIS OWNER JUST, HE DOESN'T LIVE THERE.
THE OWNER, HE RENTS THE HOUSE.
I GUESS MAYBE THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS HE DOESN'T REALLY CARE HOW WE GOT TO, GOT TO THE HOUSE AND NEVER GOT TO THE OWNER
SO THAT LITTLE CHUNK WILL REMAIN THEN PART OF THE TOWN'S PROPERTIES, CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.
IT HAS ENCROACHMENTS AS, AS DO MOST OF THE PARCELS.
UM, THERE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
SO THERE'S A WALL AND A FENCE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING OKAY.
SO, UM, AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE EXPLAINED THE HISTORY OF THIS.
IT WAS SORT OF A PAPER STREET AND THE, UM, THE PERSON WHO BOUGHT IT AT AN AUCTION, UH, TOOK PRELIMINARY STEPS TO DEVELOP IT.
UH, WE FILED A SUIT, THERE WAS A STAY.
AND AFTER MONTHS AND MONTHS IT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PANDEMIC TOO.
SO, UM, NOW, UM, WE HAVE A SETTLEMENT AND, UM, WE JUST WANNA PURSUE IT.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS MR. SCHWARTZ, THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP, UM, WE INITIALLY, THE NEIGHBORS THOUGHT WE WERE GETTING THE WHOLE PARCEL, BUT THE WHOLE PAPER STREET, BUT I SPOKE WITH TIM LEWIS AND HE EXPLAINED HE WAS A TOWN ATTORNEY AT THE TIME.
HE EXPLAINED TO ME THAT THE TOWN WANTED SOMETHING.
AND MOREOVER, THERE ARE CERTAIN UTILITIES THAT THEY WANNA RESERVE THAT LAND, BUT THE NEIGHBORS ARE CONCERNED BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF A DUMP BACK THERE.
UM, THIS IS THE PART THAT THE TOWN IS GOING TO RETAIN.
I MEAN, THERE'S EVEN I THINK A WASHING MACHINE BACK THERE.
SO THEIR CONCERN,
UM, SO IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS WITH THE TOWN.
WE, WE, WE, WE WILL ADDRESS THAT WITH THE TOWN.
THERE'S NO REASON IT SHOULDN'T BE CLEANED UP.
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IT'S JUST MIGHT NOT.SO WHAT'S THE REASON ANYONE'S RADAR RIGHT NOW? I DON'T KNOW, ERIC.
WHAT'S THE REASON TOWN WANTS TO KEEP IT? IS THERE ANY UTILITIES IN, SO YEAH, RIGHT.
UM, BUT THAT PART, THE REASON HALF OF IT, THE PIECE, THE PIECE RIGHT HERE IS UTIL THERE ARE UTILITIES, UH, WITHIN THIS STRETCH OF LAND THAT THE TOWN WANTS TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE ACCESS TO CONTINUE TO YEAH.
BUT THEY CAN HAVE A, THEY CAN HAVE A EASEMENT.
THAT'S WHAT I'M, BUT IF PEOPLE START BUILDING FENCES AND SHEDS ON IT, IT WAS EASIER ACCESS.
LOOK, WE'RE NOT HERE TO ARGUE WHAT THE TOWN DID, RIGHT?
SO, UH, LET'S FOCUS ON WHAT WE'RE DOING, RIGHT? SO YEAH, I JUST, THAT I HAVE THE, THE PLANS UP.
THEY MAY BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE, SO I'LL ZOOM IN AND THEN KIND OF WORK FROM LEFT TO RIGHT.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THESE EXISTING HOMES AND THEY ALL FRONT ON BEAVER HILL ROAD, OKAY? MM-HMM.
NOW, A LOT OF 'EM HAVE ENCROACHMENTS INTO THESE AREAS IN THE BACK.
AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO SHED UP RIGHTS PLACE.
AS PART OF, UH, THIS PROPOSED RE SUBDIVISION.
THESE LOTS WILL ALL BE EXTENDED OUT TO THIS POINT.
HOW MANY FEET IS THAT? DO YOU KNOW? UM, BETWEEN 23 AND 25 FEET, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, THAT WILL CLEAR UP A LOT OF THE ENCROACHMENTS BECAUSE THEY'RE WITHIN THAT, THEY'RE WITHIN THESE EXTENDED AREAS.
NOW, ONE THING THE TOWN WANTED TO BE AWARE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE ADDITION OF, AND IT'S ROUGHLY ABOUT 1,450 SQUARE FEET PER LOT, COULD THAT CREATE A SITUATION WHERE THEY HAVE AN OVERSIZED LOT AND COULD SUBDIVIDE? THAT IS NOT THE CASE FOR ANY OF THESE.
SO IT WOULDN'T CREATE ANY ADDITIONAL POTENTIAL FOR BUILDING LOTS OR EXPANSIVE GENERALLY.
SO WE WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT IT WILL CLEAN UP THINGS AND, UM, YEAH, I DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH MORE TO THE, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT WAS ON THERE, I KNOW WE NOTICED TODAY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, IS THE EASEMENT, ONE EASEMENT THAT I DON'T THINK HAS BEEN AN APPROVED EASEMENT YET THROUGH ONE OF THE LOTS.
SO WE SPOKE ABOUT IT AND I, I'VE GOT IT ON THE OVERHEAD.
IF YOU CAN SEE MR. GRIMALDI, IT SHOULD BE BEHIND ME.
UM, UP HERE, THERE'S A DRAIN INLET IN BEAVER HILL ROAD.
THERE'S A DRAIN HERE, AND THEN IT GOES IN THIS DIRECTION AND THEN OUT TO THIS, THAT HAS TO BE CLEANED UP FROM DEEP DRAIN DRAINAGE MANHOLE.
SO, UM, SHOULD BE DONE, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR THE TOWN TO HAVE AN EASEMENT TO EXECUTE AN EASEMENT SURE.
AND WE WANTED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH YOU.
I GUESS YOU, YOU END UP, UH, MODIFYING THE DEEDED ON ALL, ALL THESE, THESE, THESE ANYWAY.
RIGHT? I, WELL, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS, I GUESS WHEN, WHEN IT'S SUBDIVIDED, UM, EACH LITTLE PARCEL HAVE ITS OWN MEETS AND BOUNDS AND WE COULD JUST, YOU KNOW, ADD IT TO THE SCHEDULE A OF IS THAT MERGING THEM? UM, WELL E EACH OWNER IS GONNA HAVE THEIR OWN LITTLE PIECE.
SO BETTER THAT, THAT LOT, THEY'RE GONNA, THIS THIS EXISTING LINE, CAN YOU SEE ME COMING ACROSS, WHICH IS THE EXISTING REAR YARD LINE WILL BE EVAPORATED AND YES.
MERGED THIS NEW LAND WILL MERGE INTO, WELL, WE, WE DO HAVE TO DO A NEW SCHEDULE A THOUGH TO, TO, RIGHT.
WELL, WHEN YOU NEW SUBDIVISION PLOT, YOU'LL MERGE.
THEY'LL EACH BE JUST ONE LOT, NOT TWO LOTS.
I THINK HE'S GETTING AT IS THAT HE'S GONNA NEED A NEW MEETS AND BOUNDS WITH THAT NEW DESCRIPTION.
IN THAT MEETS AND BOUNDS WILL INCLUDE.
WELL, IF HE DOES THAT, HE'S GONNA FILE A NEW DEEDED ANYWAY.
SO IF HE'S FILING A NEW DEEDED, HE MUST FILE THE EASEMENT AT THE SAME TIME.
I THINK YOU'RE AGREEING ON THIS.
THE, THE ONLY OTHER TECHNICAL ISSUE, UM, AND, AND I HAD AGAIN DISCUSSED THIS WITH MR. LEWIS, UM, ONE OF THE, THE OWNERS, THE, NOW THE LAST ONE, MR. WALLACE, UM, HE WAS CONCERNED BECAUSE HIS, HIS PROPERTY WOULD INCLUDE THAT, THAT DRAINAGE.
UM, THE, UM, DRAINAGE EASEMENT THERE.
THAT'S WHO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
HE'D HAVE THE STORM DRAIN THERE AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, HE DIDN'T WANNA BE RESPONSIBLE, SO WE WERE GONNA DO SOME KIND OF HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT AND WHATNOT.
SO HE WOULDN'T, I WOULD WORK THROUGH AARON AND, AND THROUGH PUBLIC, THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
SO, SO YOU'RE TAKING OVER NOW FOR TIM, SO, UM, NO, YOU ARE, CONGRATULATIONS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT HE TAKING OVER FOR DAYS IN THE SAME OFFICE.
I MEAN, IT WAS A RELATIVELY SIMPLE, UM, AFTER WE GOT THROUGH WITH THE LAWSUIT.
IT SEEMS TO MAKE A LOT OF SENSE THEN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
THE NEXT PROCEDURE IS TO DRAW UP THE NEW MAP.
I WHAT? YEAH, I THINK THE SUB SHOULDN'T, THE SUBDIVISION THAT WE, THAT WE PROPOSAL WE SEE FOR THE RE SUBDIVISION TO HAVE THOSE MERGED RATHER THAN HAVE A LINE LIKE THAT.
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WANTED TO, WHAT I'LL DO IS, UM, RIGHT.WHAT WE'LL PROBABLY DO IS HAVE THE EXISTING REAR LINE SHOWN AS A HATCHED LINE.
TO DIFFERENTIATE YOU WANT THE SOLID LINES TO BE YEAH.
THE NEW, WITH THE NEW MEETS AND THE BOUNDARIES OF THE NEW, WITH THE NEW MEETS AND BOUNDS.
SO YEAH, WE CAN HAVE THAT DONE BECAUSE THAT WAY, THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE A RIGHT SUBDIVISION.
THE BOARD WANTS TO HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S VERY CLEAR.
SO WE'LL DO LIKE A DOTTED LINE OR THE EXISTING AND THEN, AND THEN THE SOLID LINE.
AND YOU'RE GONNA SUBMIT THE ENTIRE OF EACH LOT AS A SUBDIVISION RATHER THAN SEPARATE.
UM, CAN WE GO TO PUBLIC HEARING? YEAH.
SO I THINK WE, WE WOULD CERTAINLY, THE NEXT YOU DO SECRET THIS, RIGHT? WE WOULD DO THAT.
UH, SO IT'S AN UNLISTED ACTION BEING OKAY.
A SUBDIVISION OR RE SUBDIVISION.
I THINK YOU CAN DO IT BEFORE YOU OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
QUESTION IS IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE REVISED PLATT, I'D STILL HAVE IT.
I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T CALL PUBLIC.
SO YOU CAN WORK ON THAT WITH, UM, THE SURVEYOR.
AND WE CAN HAVE A HEARING AS EARLY AS THE 19TH.
I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO REVISE PLAN IN, IN TIME FOR THAT.
WHEN DO YOU NEED TO REVISE PLAN FOR THE, IT SHOULD BE THE 12TH.
BY THE 12TH? WELL, I, I WOULD SAY, UM, IF WE CAN HAVE IT FOR THE MEETING SO IT CAN BE PRESENTED.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED IT AS LONG AS WE HAVE TO HAVE IT FOR THE, WE DON'T NEED IT A WEEK AHEAD.
WE, WE KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF PAPERWORK.
SO WE'LL PUT IT, WE'LL PUT IT ON FOR, UH, THE 19TH.
AND WE'LL GET YOU THE NOTICING INSTRUCTIONS AND THE SIGNAGE.
TO BE PLACED AT THE SITE WITHIN THE NEXT DAY OR TWO.
ARE YOUR PARTNERS IN CRIME ON, ON ZOOM? WHERE ARE YOUR COLLEAGUES? OH'S, DAVID.
OUR, UH, LAST, UH, PROJECT THIS EVENING IS PB 2220 ELMWOOD PRESERVE EIGHT 50 DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
IT'S FOR A, UH, INITIAL CONFERENCE.
IS THAT WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT IS, YES.
WE ARE CONFERENCE AS PER TOWN CODE, THANK GOD.
NOW, NOW I CAN HAVE A COOKIE, UH, AN INITIAL CONFERENCE ON, UM, SUBDIVISION CONFERENCE.
THERE ALSO WILL BE A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT WETLAND, WATERCOURSE, PERMITTER REMOVAL PERMIT AS PART OF THIS JUST FOR THE PUBLIC, UH, TO TOM, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC.
ANYBODY HERE, BUT, UH, WHO'S LISTENING.
THIS IS A PROJECT THAT'S BEEN FOR US FOR THREE YEARS, FOUR YEARS.
I KNOW THEY WERE WORKING ON IT BEFORE THAT.
AND IT'S, IT'S BEEN IN SEVERAL ITERATIONS, IT'S BEEN THROUGH THE E I S PROCESS.
UM, AND FINALLY THE TOWN BOARD RECOMMENDED, UH, FOUND IN THE E I S THAT THEY WANTED THE, UH, SINGLE, SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION, OUR PLAN.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT.
UM, JUST TO GET, AND I BELIEVE IT'S REALLY JUST TO GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE AND SEE WHAT KIND OF FEEDBACK WE HAVE FOR THAT, THAT PLAN.
I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOUR TEAM.
UH, AARON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE THE, THE SCREEN OR YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO DO? YOU CAN DO IT.
INTRODUCE, YOU KNOW, THAT WAY YOU CAN, UH, INTRODUCE YOUR TEAM TOO.
UH, CHAIRMAN SCHWARTZ, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, JAMES CARIS WITH J M C, UH, UH, WITH US REMOTELY IS, UH, JONATHAN REBO FROM RIDGEWOOD REALTY PARTNERS AND DAVID STEINMETZ.
UH, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND, UH, SHARE OUR SCREEN HERE, UH, WHICH, UM, PUT THIS INTO FULL SCREEN, WHICH SHOULD, AND I JUST WANNA SAY I CAN'T HELP IT.
WE JUST TAKE NO PLEASURE IN HAVING TO LOOK AT THIS THE WAY IT IS, BUT WE UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE, WE'RE DISA WE WERE DISAPPOINTED THAT OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS NOT ACCEPTED.
I THINK SO ARE YOU GUYS, BUT IT IS, DON'T, DON'T KEEP SAYING THAT IN FRONT OF JONATHAN.
IT'S ONLY GONNA MAKE ME FEEL WORSE.
NO, YOU'RE GONNA DO GREAT WITH THIS, I'M SURE, BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE GONNA DO A GOOD JOB.
AND LOOK, THERE WERE TWO GOOD PLANS.
THERE WAS, I THINK THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A CONTROLLING FACTOR AS THE, AS THE TOWN BOARD SAID IN THEIR FINDINGS, WE DO HAVE A COMP PLAN THAT SAYS, THOU SHALL NOT INCREASE DENSITY.
IT'S DIDN'T, IT DOES SAY THAT IN THERE.
UM, I THINK WE'VE ACTUALLY WOULD'VE ADDED A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE GREEN SPACE, AND I THINK THAT WAS WHAT THIS BOARD SAID, BUT IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T ABL BLACK AND WHITE CALL.
IT WASN'T AN EASY CALL TO MAKE.
AND, UH, I'M SURE YOU'RE GONNA DO A FINE JOB WITH A SINGLE FAMILY, SO WHY
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DON'T GO.SO I'LL, I'LL JUST START, UH, BY GIVING AN OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THE DESIGN PROCESS.
UM, THIS PLAN, UH, SHOULD LOOK FAMILIAR TO, TO MANY OF YOU.
UM, THE CONCEPT, UH, OF THIS, THE CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION, UH, REMAINS THE SAME.
UH, SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS, UM, 113 LOT SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION, UM, IDENTIFIED IN THE TAN COLOR.
UM, AND WE HAVE A TOTAL OF, UH, 12 OTHER PARCELS, WHICH WILL BE IN THE CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE 13TH, WHICH IS THE 14.2 ACRE, UH, PARK, UH, OFFERING, UH, WHICH IS THE LARGE PARCEL ON THE, UH, THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN THERE.
SO THERE'S MANY SIMILARITIES WITH THIS PLAN, UM, THAT WERE, UH, REVIEWED DURING THE D E I S AND F E I S, UM, PHASE.
UH, THE SITE DRIVEWAYS ARE IN THE SAME LOCATION.
THERE'S STILL A FULL MOVEMENT SITE DRIVEWAY OPPOSITE WEST, UH, THE CAPITAL SENIOR HOUSING ON DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
AND THERE'S ALSO A, UH, RESTRICTED RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT DRIVEWAY, UH, OPPOSITE WESTCHESTER VIEW LANE TO THE WEST.
UM, THE, UH, THE LOT SIZES, UH, FOR THE SUBDIVISION ARE, ARE RANGE, BUT MOST OF THEM ARE PREDOMINANTLY 18,000 SQUARE FEET.
NOTHING IS SMALLER THAN 18,000 SQUARE FEET.
THEY GO UP A LITTLE BIT, UH, BETWEEN, UH, 22,000 AND 18,000.
AND, UH, THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE, A HANDFUL OF OVERSIZED LOTS, UH, GIVEN, UH, THEIR LOCATION IN THE CORNERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, OTHER CONSTRAINTS.
UM, BUT THE LOT SIZES ARE VERY CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT.
AND, UH, ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO 30.
UM, SINCE WE INITIALLY PRE PRESENTED THIS, UH, SUBDIVISION DESIGN, WE DID, UM, KIND OF TWEAK AND PUSH AND PULL SOME OF THE LOT LOCATIONS.
UM, YOU'LL SEE HERE, WE, WE TRIED TO OPEN UP THE OPEN SPACE AREAS SO THAT N NONE OF THEM WERE REALLY LANDLOCKED UNLESS ULTIMATELY, UH, OR POSSIBLE.
UH, SO WE TOOK A LOT HERE IN THE, THE SOUTHWEST CORNER AND WE, WE COMPLETED THE CUL-DE-SAC UP HERE.
UH, SIMILARLY WE OPENED UP THIS, UH, SPACE OF, UH, PORTION OF OPEN SPACE, UH, BY MOVING THIS LOT TO THIS, UH, THE TOP, UH, CUL-DE-SAC UP HERE AS WELL.
AND THEN SIMILARLY, UM, UP IN THE, THE RIGHT CORNER HERE, UH, WE, WE, UH, MOVED A LOT FROM THIS AREA DOWN TO, UH, BELOW HERE WHERE IT KIND OF JUST MADE MORE SENSE.
UM, AND SO, UM, THAT'S BASIC OVERVIEW OF, UH, WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS.
I BELIEVE THE GREEN SPACE IS IN PLACES THAT WERE, UM, YES.
SO THE LAYOUT WAS KIND OF DICTATED BY AREAS OF STEEP SLOPES THAT, UH, WE CAN PRESERVE HERE WITH THIS, THIS DESIGN.
SO THOSE, THOSE AREAS ARE CONSISTENT WITH, UM, WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IN A CONSERVATION, UH, SUBDIVISION LAYOUT HERE.
IT DOES LOOK LIKE, UH, I SEE THE BUFFERS ARE, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, DOTTED LINES ON THE PLAN AND THE WETLAND WATERCOURSE BUFFERS.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE THOSE ARE BEING WELL-RESPECTED AS WELL.
EVEN THOUGH THERE IS SOME DISTURBANCE WITHIN THE BUFFERS.
THERE'S, YOU'RE SHOWING A LOT OF OPEN SPACE WITHIN CORRECT.
AND THE DISTURBANCE WITHIN THE BUFFER IS REALLY JUST THE ACCESS ROAD TO DOBBS FERRY.
UH, WHAT IS THE FOOTPRINT, MAYBE WE'LL GET TO THIS, DO YOU HAVE APPROXIMATE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSES? THE, YEAH, THE FOOTPRINT OF THESE HOUSES THAT WE'RE SHOWING ARE APPROXIMATELY 2000 SQUARE FEET.
SO YOU HAVE ENOUGH OF A BACKYARD IF PEOPLE WANNA PUT A POOL IN, FOR EXAMPLE.
SOME OF, YEAH, SOME OF, AS THE PLANS PROGRESS, SOME OF THESE LOTS WILL SHOW, UH, POOLS AND DECKS, BUT SOME OF THEM HAVE A, A STEEPER CONDITION WHERE IT MAY NOT BE FEASIBLE.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THESE ARE HYPOTHETICAL FOOTPRINTS.
CORRECT? WE WE'RE LIMITED BY THEM, THAT WE'RE NOT MAXED OUT OR MIN, THESE ARE JUST ANALYTICAL FOOTPRINTS.
WHEN, WHEN, WHEN SOMEBODY COMES IN ON A LOT BY LOT BASIS, OBVIOUSLY WE WILL PARTICULARIZE THEM TO EACH LOT.
WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THE, UH, SIZE OF THE HOUSE? 3000 SQUARE FEET FOOTPRINT IS APPROXIMATELY 2000 SQUARE FEET.
SO IT'S A TWO, SO IT'S A TWO STORY HOUSE.
SO IT'D BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 2030 504,000 APPROXIMATELY.
SO FIVE BEDROOM HOUSES, FOUR TO FIVE BEDROOM PROBABLY TO BE DETERMINED.
WHO ELSE AGAIN? MONA? MONA, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? CORRECT.
JUST ASKED MY QUESTION SO I LOWER MY HAND.
YOU'RE HAVING A PROBLEM TONIGHT, MONA.
HEY, WALTER, QUESTION TOO, WALTER, AND THEN TOM, PLEASE.
UH, ON, ON THE PARTICULAR LAYOUT, UH, THERE'S A, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF HOMES THAT ARE NOT EXPOSED TO ANY CONSERVATION AREA AND ARE SORT OF LAND, ESPECIALLY THE ONES IN THE MIDDLE.
AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE EACH HOME EXPOSED TO SOME CONSERVATION AREA.
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UH, 92 ACRES.UH, SO WE SPENT, I, I COULD, I COULD ADDRESS THAT.
SO WE SPENT A, A, A LOT OF TIME LOOKING AT THAT AS AN OPTION ABOUT TRYING TO GET EVERY HOUSE TO BACK UP.
AND IN PARTICULAR, I, I ASSUME YOU'RE, LOOK, IT'S TOUGH AT A CORNER, RIGHT? SO LET'S JUST REMOVE THE CORNER FROM THE CONVERSATION FOR A SECOND.
BUT THAT LONG STRETCH BETWEEN 72 AND 63, AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THOSE LOTS, WHEN WE STARTED TO LOOK AT THAT, WHAT WE ENDED UP WITH WAS REALLY SMALL STRIPS, UH, RELATIVELY SMALL STRIPS OF OPEN SPACE.
AND IN OUR EXPERIENCE, HAVING DONE DESIGNS LIKE THIS BEFORE, THOSE ENDED UP GETTING JUST FULL.
THEY ENDED UP JUST GETTING FOLDED INTO, UM, INTO THE LOTS.
SOMEONE MAINTAINS THEM UNLESS YOU'RE GONNA FENCE THEM, OR IT JUST BECOMES A LITTLE BIT BIGGER HASSLE.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT HAPPENS IS IT BECOMES AN AREA WHERE PEOPLE ARE WALKING RELATIVELY CLOSE TO THE BACK OF YOUR LOT IF SOMEBODY IS THERE.
SO WE TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE BIGGER AREAS WHERE MAYBE THERE COULD BE A GATHERING OR JUST AN EASIER TO MAINTAIN SPACE.
AND, AND JUST ALSO ONE FINAL POINT, THESE LOTS ARE ALL STILL DRAMATICALLY LARGER THAN THE R 10 LOTS IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THE SUBDIVISION.
THIS IS, THESE ARE HALF ACRE LOTS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOOD SIZE LOTS.
AND IF YOU LOOKED AT THIS IN COMPARISON TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IMMEDIATELY, UH, NORTH OF THE SUBDIVISION, I THINK YOU'D SEE THAT THESE ARE STILL STILL HIGHLY DESIRABLE.
UH, WHAT, UH, UH, ANOTHER, UM, COMMENT THAT WAS MADE EARLY ON BY MR. UM, GOLDEN WAS THE IDEA OF HAVING A LARGE, UH, CONSERVATION AREA RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND THEN MOUNT THE TREES, I MEAN, MOUNT THE HOUSES AROUND THEM.
SO EVEN THOUGH ONE MIGHT NOT BE ADJACENT TO A, UH, GREEN SPACE, BUT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, YOU WOULD HAVE THIS LARGE GREEN SPACE WITH MAYBE, UM, YOU KNOW, WALKWAYS AND MAYBE A BENCH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WAS, WAS THAT EVER LOOKED AT AS A POSSIBILITY FOR THIS APPLICATION? YES.
SO, UH, TO HARP ON THE, THE TWO OTHER POINTS HERE.
SO WE'VE PROVIDED SIDEWALKS ON ONE SIDE OF EVERY STREET IN THE SUBDIVISION FOR THE CONNECTIVITY.
UM, AND WE'VE ALSO OPENED UP TWO OF THE, UH, OF THE GREEN AREAS, UH, PARTICULARLY HERE IN THIS, THIS AREA WHERE THE MOUSE IS POINTING AND HERE, UH, SO THAT IT'S NOT A LANDLOCKED SPOT, UH, SPACE THAT, YOU KNOW, PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME SORT OF PASSIVE, UH, USE OF IT.
UM, SO AS FAR AS CONNECTIVITY AND PROVIDING ACCESS TO THAT OPEN SPACE, WE'VE, WE DEFINITELY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AND TRIED TO ACHIEVE THAT IN THE, IN THOSE WAYS.
I SAID, DID, DID YOU LOOK AT A DESIGN YES.
WHERE YOU HAVE ALL, UM, UH, A CON A LARGE OPEN SPACE? YEAH.
THAT WAS THE TOWN HOME DESIGN.
AND WHAT WAS THE REASON WHY YOU REJECTED THAT? NO, WE, WE DID, JONATHAN, GO AHEAD JAMES.
WE DID LOOK AT PROVIDING A CENTRAL FOCAL POINT, AND THAT'S, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCREEN WHERE THE MOUSE IS, IS CIRCLING, THAT'S THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.
CAN YOU ZOOM IN A LITTLE ON THAT, JAMES? YEAH.
LEMME SEE IF I CAN, YEAH, THAT'S NOT, BUT, BUT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT, ABOUT HAVING A BIGGER, ABOUT ONE BIG SPACE, WE DID LOOK AT THAT.
FRANKLY, I WA I WAS NOT REAL, I WAS ONLY A LITTLE BIT JOKING THAT THAT WAS WHAT WAS AVAILABLE IN THE TOWNHOME DESIGN.
BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN OB WE, WE, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS, WE ALSO WANTED TO, PART OF THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT IS TO PROTECT THE STEEP SLOPES, IS TO PROTECT THESE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE WATERWAYS, PROTECT THE MORE NATURAL AREAS.
AND BY DOING THAT PROTECTION, BY THAT PROTECTION, WE GET TO THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE THAT, THAT WE WANTED TO PUT ON THE PROJECT.
UM, AND IT DIDN'T LEAVE MORE AREA TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THE NUMBER OF LOTS AS WELL AS, UH, AS, AS DO BOTH THINGS.
SO YEAH, I MEAN, THE CENTER OF THE SITE IS IN ALL STEEP SLOPES, SO RIGHT.
WE COULDN'T PROTECT THE WHOLE AREA.
MY QUESTION, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
YOU'D HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, TEAR DOWN ALL THE HILLS IN ORDER TO PUT THE HOUSES THERE.
TOM, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
'CAUSE I'M SURE YOU LOOKED AT THIS A MILLION TIMES, BUT NOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DRAWING AND I SEE THERE'S ONLY ONE PLACE YOU CAN TURN LEFT WHEN YOU'RE LEAVING FOR ALL THESE HOMES.
UM, AND ONLY ONE PLACE YOU CAN TURN IN FROM THE LEFT TO THE LEFT WHEN YOU'RE GOING EAST.
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KNOW IT WAS A, UH, ADDRESSED A NUMBER OF TIMES.I'D JUST LIKE TO HEAR THAT REASONING AGAIN.
WELL, LISTEN, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE TWO FULL MOVEMENT DRIVEWAYS ON DOBBS FERRY ROAD FOR SURE.
UM, BUT, UH, PART OF THE REASON WITH, FOR THE RESTRICTED TURNING MOVEMENTS IS THE NEW YORK STATE D O T HAS OPINED THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD PREFER THAT THAT CONDITION IN THAT THEY CAN'T IN THAT LOCATION.
SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE TWO FULL MOVEMENT DRIVEWAYS, BUT, UH, THE STATE HAS, UH, KIND OF DICTATED THAT CONDITION TO US BECAUSE I'M JUST ENVISIONING, DOES THINK IT'S NECESSARY.
I MEAN, IT'S THE, THE STATE KNEW, THE STATE FULLY UNDERSTANDS THERE ARE 113 LOTS AND A HUNDRED ACRES, AND THEY CONCLUDED THAT THIS WAS THE, THE, THE BEST WAY FOR, UH, ACCESS ONTO THEIR STATE HIGHWAY.
WELL, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? IS, IS IT POSSIBLE IS, IS THAT A TWO A ONE LANE ENTRANCE AND EXIT? THAT THE ONE THAT YES.
THE BOULEVARD, I THINK, DID WE DO IT AS A BOULEVARD, JAMES? YEAH.
WOULD, WOULD THE, YEAH, WOULD THE, WOULD THE D O T ALLOW YOU TO, TO MAKE IT, UH, TWO LANES ON EACH WAY, EACH WAY, AT LEAST AT THE EXIT.
SO SOMEONE COMING OFF FROM THE LEFT COULD TURN LEFT, SOMEONE COMING OFF TO THE RIGHT TURN.
THAT'S A CONDITION WE COULD LOOK AT.
WE CERTAINLY HAVE, UH, WITH, TO PROVIDE EXTRA RIGHT OF WAY THERE.
UH, IT'S SOMETHING YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT SITE PLAN COMMENT.
UM, OF COURSE THEN YOU'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THAT WATER.
YOU'RE SAYING IT JIM, RIGHT? YOU'RE, YOU'RE REALLY THREE LANES.
LANES THERE'S TWO ON THE EXIT AND ONE ON THE ENTRANCE.
YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I COULD JUST ENVISION, YOU CAN PROBABLY WIDEN IT AT THE BASE AND AT LEAST GET SOME OF THAT STACKING TAKEN CARE OF THAT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD THINK.
IF YOU COULD MOVE IT SLIGHTLY, UH, EAST, WELL, IT'S JUST EXPAND THAT AWAY FROM THE LAKE.
YEAH, IT'S, YEAH, WE HAVE THE AIR GEOMETRICALLY LINED UP WITH THE OPPOSITE, WITH TRACK WITH CHELSEA.
BUT YOU SHOULD BE, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU SHOULD CONSIDER MM-HMM.
AT LEAST TO RELIEVE SOME OF, SOME OF THAT MO HAD HER HAND UP AND CORRECT.
UM, THERE'S STILL A GREAT NEED IN WESTCHESTER FOR SENIORS WHO, UM, WISH TO REMAIN, UM, IN WESTCHESTER.
AND I THINK, UM, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT MODELS YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER FOR SENIORS WHO WANNA STAY AND CONSIDER HAVING, UM, A MASTER BEDROOM ON THE FIRST LEVEL FOR AT LEAST ONE MODEL.
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE TOWNHOME SITUATION.
SO EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THESE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES MAY BE, UM, TOO LEVEL, YOU MAY WANNA PUT A MASTER ON THE FIRST LEVEL FOR AT LEAST ONE MODEL.
THESE ARE BEING YEARS, THESE ARE BEING SOLD INDIVIDUALLY.
SO PEOPLE CAN ASK FOR IT IF THEY WANT IT, I WOULD THINK.
I MEAN, IF THERE'S ONE MODEL THAT SHOWS IT, I DON'T KNOW.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GIVE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE IS GONNA BE CUSTOM HOMES.
I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA LET THE MARKET, WE HAVE FIVE, SIX MODELS.
THERE MIGHT BE A MODEL, YOU HIT IT ON THE HEAD, THAT OPTION WAS AVAILABLE FOR ALL OF THEM, BUT, UH, WE'LL LET THE MARKET DICTATE THAT.
OH, THE EXISTING SITE HAS A, UH, CLUBHOUSE AND A TRANSPORT ON THE, ON THE SIDE OF THE CORNER.
OUR EXISTING SITE HAS A CLUBHOUSE, TENNIS COURTS.
AS YOU ENTERED INTO THE EXISTING, UH, JAMES, COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION FOR US? UH, MY QUESTION IS THAT YOU'RE NOT ON, SORRY, I DON'T THINK YOUR MIC IS.
I'LL FORBID, UH, THE EXISTING SITE OR, OR THE EXISTING, UH, COUNTRY CLUB HAS A, UH, THE CLUBHOUSE AND THE, AND A TENNIS COURTS AT THE ENTRANCE OF IT.
I THINK SO IT'S, HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO TO PRESERVING THAT? CATING ACTUALLY ALREADY BEEN, THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN DEMOED.
IN THE RECENT, IN THE LAST MONTH OR TWO, WE'VE DEMOED THEM ALREADY WITH PERMITS FROM THE TOWN.
DEMOLITION, DEMOLITION PERMITS WERE OBTAINED, UH, IN THE SPRING.
AND THAT WORK IS ONGOING TO REMOVE THOSE STRUCTURES.
ALL THE BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN TAKING DOWN, UH, OTHER THAN MAYBE A SMALL ONE DOWN BY THE POOL.
AND THE CONCRETE'S CURRENTLY BEING GRIND BEING, UH, GROUND UP INTO PILES AND UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THE POOL IS STILL THERE, BUT IF, IF NOT, IT'LL PROBABLY GONE BY THE END OF THE WEEK.
BUT COULD BE, COULD BE REDEVELOPED IF THAT'S LIKE A, UH, THE SUBDIVISION COMMUNITY FACILITY.
THAT WAS PART OF OUR LA I MEAN, I DON'T MEAN TO KEEP HARPING ON IT.
BUT NOT FOR A TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITY.
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JUST EVERYBODY IN TENDS TO.AND THEN
AND WE HOPE THE OPEN SPACE AND, AND HOW, AS JAMES SAID BEFORE, HOW WE DESIGNED IT WITH HAVING ROADS FRONTAGE IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS WILL LEAD TO LEAD TO SOME OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, CONGREGATING OF THE COMMUNITY.
BUT, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, WITH A PURE SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITY LIKE THIS, AMENITIES ARE NOT, UH, UTILIZED, UH, THE SAME WAY.
JONATHAN, YOU BEAT ME TO THE ANSWER, BUT CRE, WE, WE AGREE WITH YOU AND WE HAD PROPOSED EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID AND, UH, IT WAS REJECTED.
LET'S NOT, LET'S NOT BEAT DEAD HORSE.
AND, AND THE LAST QUESTION IS, THERE IS A LITTLE SMALL STRIP OF, UH, UH, CONSERVATION AREA BETWEEN, UH, LIKE I THINK, UH, 21 AND 24.
WHERE IS THAT? AND, UH, 18 AND 22.
OH, THERE IS A LITTLE STRIP OF, UH, GREEN AREA HERE.
THE REASON WHY THAT IS PRESERVED AS OPEN SPACE IS BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S SOME GRAY CHANGE THERE.
SO THERE'S SOME STEEP SLOPES WE WANNA KEEP INTACT.
I DID HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION IF YOU'RE DONE.
I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST, UM, POTENTIAL ACCESS ROAD, UH, FOR YOUR, UH, EMERGENCY VEHICLES AT THE UPPER END AND ALSO POSSIBLE PEDESTRIAN, UH, ACCESS FROM THE OUTSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M JUST WONDERING HOW THAT FIGURES INTO THIS PLANT.
TOM, WE, WE HEARD, WE HEARD THAT QUESTION EARLIER TODAY, UM, WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE AND WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA REEXAMINE WHETHER THERE MIGHT BE A, A SPACE, UM, I'LL, I'LL JAMES, I'LL LET YOU IDENTIFY WHERE, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO EXPLORE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE COMMENT, RIGHT.
SO PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS, UH, POTENTIAL EMERGENCY SERVICES ACCESS TO OVER HILL ROAD HERE.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS AREA FOR POTENTIAL STORMWATER, UH, FACILITIES, UH, BECAUSE IT IS A LOW POINT TO THE SITE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A, UH, TOWN RIGHT OF WAY, UH, THAT CONNECTS TO PARKVIEW ROAD HERE.
SO, AND GIVEN THAT OUR ROADWAY IS, IS VERY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE THERE, UH, AND IT'S, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT LESS OF A GRAY CHANGE, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO EXPLORE THAT FOR A POTENTIAL ACCESS OPTIONS GIVEN THAT THERE IS ALREADY TOWN RIGHT AWAY.
AND THE ROAD IS RIGHT NEAR THE BORDER THERE.
AS OPPOSED TO CUTTING THROUGH A, A BIG GREEN SPACE.
I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.
I ASSUME THAT THE TOWN IS GOING TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THE ROADS.
I THINK THAT'S PART OF YOUR PROPOSAL, WHETHER THE TOWN
THOSE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU CERTAINLY WANT HAVE WITH, BUT THE TOWN DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN ARRANGE FOR A MEETING IF YOU WANNA LOOK TO DO THAT.
IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONNECTION TO AN EXISTING PUBLIC ROAD, WE'D WANT OUR ROADS TO BE PUBLIC AS WELL, I THINK.
THEY WOULD, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT A, IF I, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, TOM'S QUESTION.
JONATHAN WAS A WAS AN EMERGENCY ACT CORRECT.
LIKE A GRASS PAVER PEDESTRIAN GRASS PAVER WITH A GATE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.
UH, THAT WAS A SEPARATE QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY WOULD CHANGE WHAT YOU DO WITH THE ROADS IF THIS'S PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.
I, I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT A ROAD FOR PEDESTRIAN.
THAT'S SOMETHING YOU NEED TO WORK OUT WITH THE TOWN.
UH, WHETHER OR NOT WE'VE HAD IT BOTH, BUT MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, LET'S, LET'S ADDRESS JONATHAN'S COMMENT THOUGH, JUST SO THAT WE DON'T MISS ONE ANOTHER ON IT.
THE, THE INTENTION OF RIDGE RIDGEWOOD WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION, I THINK THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN MADE CLEAR IN THE DOCUMENTS, IS THAT ONCE WE WENT TO THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE OF THE NOTION THAT THIS WOULD NOW HAVE SCHOOL CHILDREN AS OPPOSED TO THE 55 AND OVER, WHICH WOULD NOT HAVE, WE OBVIOUSLY NEED SCHOOL BUSES TO ENTER THIS ROAD NETWORK MM-HMM.
SO WE WOULD HOPE THAT THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD BE ENDORSING THAT AND NOT RECOMMENDING THAT THE CHILDREN THAT LIVE IN THIS SUBDIVISION HAVE TO WALK, YOU KNOW, A HALF A MILE, THREE QUARTER A MILE TO GET TO THE, NO, HOLD ON.
I, I, DAVID, I DON'T THINK IT'S A, I DON'T THINK IT'S ONE DEFINITELY MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
I WILL BET YOU THAT SCHOOL BUSES GO ON TO, UH, THESE CONDO PROPERTIES ALL THE TIME.
AND THOSE ROADS ARE AREN'T PUBLIC LIKE ST.
ANDREW'S OR, OR, UH, WHERE PAUL LIVES AND ANY OF THE BIG CONDO COMPLEXES.
I'LL BET YOU THERE ARE SCHOOL BUSES BOULDER THAT GO BOULDER IN THERE ALL THE TIME.
I'LL BET YOU THERE'S SCHOOL BUSES IN THERE ALL THE TIME.
IF YOU, DO YOU WANNA SAY WHERE WALTER
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LIVES? I USED TO LIVE ACROSS THE STREET AND WIND RIDGE AND SCHOOL BUSES.AND SCHOOL BUSES CAME THROUGH THERE.
IF YOU, IF INDEED YOU WANT TO DONATE IT TO THE PUBLIC, I THINK THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOOD FOR YOU, BUT ALSO I, WE ARE NOT PROPOSING PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE PARK FROM OUR COMMUNITY.
JUST A QUESTION, BUT THERE WAS, THERE WAS IN A FORMER ITERATION OF THE PLAN, UH, PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION FROM OVER HILL AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER PLAN.
AND THAT SAME PLAN, AARON, I THINK THAT WAS AARON TALKING.
WE WERE, WE WERE, UM, SHOWING A CONNECTION THROUGH THE PROPERTY, THROUGH THE EASEMENT TO THE PARK, WHICH WE'RE NO LONGER SHOWING.
BUT CONSISTENT WITH THE FINDINGS, THERE WILL BE SIDEWALKS INTERIOR TO THE SITE FOR SURE.
THERE'S ALSO SIDEWALKS ON DOBBS FERRY ROAD TO PROVIDE CONTACT WITH ME.
'CAUSE FIND, WE HAD FINDINGS TOO AND ON THIS, AND WE WERE ACTUALLY IN SUPPORT OF WHAT YOU WERE IN SUPPORT OF.
BUT ONE THING THAT WHETHER WE'RE SINGLE FAMILY OR NOT, THAT STILL STANDS AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
AND I WOULD BET IF I PULLED THE, THE REST OF THIS BOARD, THEY'D SAY THE SAME THING.
THE DI DISAPPOINTMENT I HAVE IS YOU'VE GOT 98 ACRES OF LAND AND HAVEN'T HAD IT FOUND A WAY OF PUTTING A SOURCE OF ALTERNATE ENERGY ON THAT PROPERTY.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU REALLY OUGHT TO CONSIDER BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA COME UP IN THE FUTURE.
AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE ON INDIVIDUAL HOUSES NECESSARILY IN PROJECTS LIKE THIS.
IT'S GONNA BE CONCENTRATED IN ONE AREA OR FEW AREAS INSTEAD OF, OR YOU'RE GONNA SEE THESE WHERE SOME OF THEM ARE, THEY'RE PRETTY SMALL NOW.
YOU SEE THESE LIGHTS FOR, FOR INSTANCE, THE TRA THE, THE STREETLIGHTS ARE SOLAR POWERED.
HAVE YOU'VE SEEN WIND POWERED STREETLIGHTS NOW? OKAY.
UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE FEW OF THEM IN TARRYTOWN RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S, THEY LOOK A LITTLE STRANGE, BUT THEY'RE THERE.
THEY'RE THE SOLAR POWERED ONES.
DON'T THEY LOOK FINE? BUT I AM, I'M DISAPPOINTED.
I AM DISAPPOINTED ON, YOU KNOW, IT IS WHAT IT IS.
BUT I AM DISAPPOINTED THAT YOU HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING ALTERNATIVE WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
WE'VE THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT ALTERNATIVE ENERGY.
JAMES, WILL YOU UNSHARE THAT FOR A SECOND? JUST SO WE CAN SEE EACH OTHER? SO WE, WE'VE, WE'VE DEFINITELY THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT, UM, ALTERNATIVE ENERGY, UM, AND, AND, AND ALTERNATIVE SOURCES FOR THAT.
BUT IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT CODE DOES NOT ALLOW US TO PUT OTHER STRUCTURES IN THE OPEN SPACE LAND.
SO IF I WANTED TO COVER IT WITH SOLAR PANELS OKAY.
THAT WOULDN'T QUALIFY AS OPEN SPACE.
UM, THERE, THERE WERE, THERE WERE, THERE WERE ALTERNATIVES THAT COULD HAVE BEEN USED.
UM, I CAN TELL YOU, JUST SO YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
UM, JUST TWO WEEKS AGO, THERE WAS A NEW COMMITTEE THAT JUST STARTED CALLED THE SUSTAINABLE ENERGY COMMITTEE, UH, WHICH WILL BE PROPOSING LEGISLATION GOING FORWARD SO THAT WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT BECAUSE THE MORE WE HAVE AREAS OF AREAS THAT WE NEED AS A COUNTRY, UM, WHERE THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO SURVIVE WHEN THEY'RE OFF THE GRID, THE BETTER OFF THIS COUNTRY'S GOING TO BE FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL POINT OF VIEW AND A SECURITY POINT OF VIEW.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE, WE HOPE TO GO WITH THE, THE SUSTAINABLE ENERGY COMMITTEE.
WELL, WELL, YOU AND I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
I JUST, I, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY, I, DAVID'S HEARD ME TALK ABOUT IT MULTIPLE TIMES.
I GET MORE CALLS FROM SOLAR PEOPLE ASKING FOR EXCESS LAND NOW WITHIN OUR DEVELOPMENTS.
I JUST CAN'T ANYMORE BE THE GUINEA PIG FOR WAITING LONGER FOR GREENBERG TO MAKE IT.
I WOULDN'T STOP WHAT YOU DO DOING, JONATHAN.
I UNDERSTAND THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING AND, UH, WOULD, IT'S JUST SOMETHING KEEPING IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND.
'CAUSE WE MAY COME BACK TO, I I THINK IT'S GREAT AND I REALLY HOPE
YOU, WE MAY COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY THAT ONE OF THE CONSERVATION PLACES WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT IN THE FUTURE.
I THINK IT, I THINK IT'S GREAT.
I THINK THE FUTURE IS ALSO LARGE BATTERY STORAGE AND SOLAR FOR THE COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF INDIVIDUAL GENERATORS.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE THINK TOO.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTION? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, GO IT.
UH, IS THAT, DO YOU HAVE ANY PHASING PLAN FOR THESE 113 HOUSES? GOOD QUESTION.
SO YOU'RE GONNA START, START ALONG THE DOVER ROAD AND GO INSIDE OR GOING TO GO TOWARD THE, TOWARD THE TOP AND THEN, OR EAST? WE'RE, WE'RE FINISHING THE GR WE'RE FINISHING THE GRADING AS WE SPEAK.
AS, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, THAT TAKES INTO A BIG ACCOUNT
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OF HOW YOU HAVE TO PHASE IT.UM, SO ONCE WE'RE DONE WITH THE GRADING AND THE DRAINAGE, WE CAN WE'LL BE PREPARED TO HAVE A FURTHER THOUGHT ABOUT, ABOUT A FURTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT PHASING OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, IT, IT'S, IT'S ON OUR MIND.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU MOST OF THE TIME THOUGH, WE DO BUILD OUR COMMUNITIES, UM, AND WE TRY TO DO A LOT OF THE MASS GRADING AND MASS CONSTRUCTION OF THE IMPROVEMENTS AT ONCE.
UM, BUT, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PHASING WILL BE.
I JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE ENGINEERING COMPLETED FIRST.
JOHN, LET, LET ME JUST CLARIFY THAT FOR A SECOND.
SO WHAT YOU DO IS GET THE LOTS BASICALLY CONSTRUCTION READY, AND THEN DO YOU SELL 'EM LOT BY LOT SO PEOPLE PICK A PARTICULAR LOT? UM, NORMAL.
WELL, WE HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT THIS SIZE THAT WE'RE DOING JUST THAT.
UM, BUT WE'RE SELLING, WE'RE DOING ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE LOTS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO HERE YET.
UM, AS I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MARKET'S GONNA BE DOING OVER THE NEXT YEAR.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE TAKING IT DAY BY DAY.
FIRST WE'RE GONNA FINISH THE ENGINEERING.
UM, BUT, BUT NORMALLY TO YOUR POINT, MR. SCHWARTZ, WE WILL, WE WOULD FINISH THE MAJORITY OF THE LOTS, DO ALL THE MASS GRADING, DO THE PAVING, DO THE DETENTION AND STORM WATER, AND THEN SYSTEMATICALLY BUILD THROUGH THE COMMUNITY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, LANDSCAPING PLAN, EITHER? NOT YET.
DEVELOPMENT? THIS IS JUST AN INITIAL CONFERENCE.
SO, UH, WILL THERE BE A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION? OKAY, JONATHAN? UM, YES.
BECAUSE OF THE CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
SO, UH, WE'LL SEE, I GUESS YOU'RE GOING TO BE DEVELOPING YOUR FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAN PROPOSAL, BRING IT BACK TO STAFF, AND THEN YOU'LL COME BEFORE US AGAIN WITH THAT.
IT'LL BE GREAT WITH THE FORMAL PROPOSAL.
I, I DIDN'T HEAR A HUGE AMOUNT OF CHANGES TONIGHT.
IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT EXIT TO KEEP THE BOTTLENECK OUT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL THOUGH, FOR SURE.
WE, WE WOULD DEFINITELY TAKE THERE ANYTHING ELSE THERE ON THAT, THAT, THAT WAS, I THINK THAT WAS REALLY THE NO, THAT WAS, IT WAS THAT IT WAS THE ROAD CONNECTION AT THE, UH, ON THE NORTH SIDE.
I THINK, UH, ONE, ONE LAST, UH, QUESTION THAT IS, UH, CUL-DE-SACS ARE NOT VERY GOOD SORT OF IN TERMS OF THE SITE PLANS AND OVERALL PLANNING, IT'S, YOU WANT IT TO HAVE, UH, MORE CONNECTED COMMUNITY RATHER THAN HAVING CUL-DE-SACS.
AND I KNOW YOU HAVE ONLY TWO, UH, CUL-DE-SACS.
SO, UH, WAS THINKING THAT THERE WAS ANY THINKING GIVEN THAT, SO THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE A DATA END, UH, SITUATIONS WHICH GENERALLY PLANNING WELL THE NORTHWEST, THE ONE IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER, JAMES, IF YOU WANT PUT YOU, YOU COULD PUT IT UP AGAIN, IS A, UH, THAT IS A STEEP SLOPE.
THERE'S A BIG TAR TERRAIN CHANGE THERE.
SO IT'S NECESSARY THAT WE CAN CONSERVE THAT STEEP SLOPE.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE THE SECOND RIGHT, THAT ONE THERE AT, UH, ON 21, LOT 21, THAT'S A BIG GRADE CHANGE BETWEEN LOT 21 AND 27, CORRECT JAMES? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THEN THE SECOND ONE, THIS IS TAKING A WHILE TO REFRESH HERE, IS, UH, OVER IN THE VICINITY OF WHERE THE FORMER CLUBHOUSE LOCATION WAS.
AND THAT'S SIMILAR, SIMILARLY, IT'S KIND OF A ODD CORNER OF THE SITE.
YEAH, I I UNDERSTAND THAT PART.
BUT THE ONE THAT'S AT THE LOT, 21 AND 27.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THE, UH, THE GRADE CHANGE PRECLUDES CONNECTING TO THE LOOP.
I DON'T THINK WE'D MEET, I DON'T THINK WE'D MEET CODE IN THAT LEFT HAND SIDE FROM TRYING TO CLIMB UP THE HILL.
I MEAN IT'S THE SAME WITH IN, UH, LOTS ONE THROUGH FIVE.
THE TENNIS COURTS SIT VERY LOW COMPARED TO WHERE THE CLUBHOUSE WAS.
IT'D BE VERY DIFFICULT AND A LOT OF WALLS AND THINGS TO TRY AND EVEN YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT IF YOU CAN ELIMINATE, UH, THE ONE THAT IS A, UH, LOOKS LIKE EASILY UH, CONNECTED ON, ON THE LOCKDOWN, CONNECT IT TO, SO YOU'RE GONNA GO THROUGH SOMEBODY'S HOUSE? NO, NO, NO.
BUT YOU CAN, YOU CAN REARRANGE THE THING SO THAT IT, YOU CAN'T CLIMB THAT GRAY.
YOU'RE HAVE YOU HAVE THE PROBLEM THAT SITE DISTANCE.
IT'S A PROBLEM THEY WERE SAYING EARLIER THAT PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT STRIP OF CONSERVATION AREA CONTOUR IS DUE TO THE CHANGE IN TOPO.
YEAH, ONCE YOU GET DOWN TO THAT CUL-DE-SAC TO, TO CONNECT THAT ROADWAY, THE GRADE CHANGES, YOU CAN JUST SHOW WHAT THE GRADE DIFFERENCE.
THERE'S NO WAY, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MOVE THE HOUSE, DEVELOP ROAD PROFILES AND, AND ALL THAT.
YOU HAVE TO MOVE A BUILDING LOT TO DO IT.
NO, NO, BUT BUT IT CAN BE DONE THERE, HERE YOU CAN, YOU CAN HAVE, IF YOU GO INTO THE SLOPE, YOU CAN DO IT.
YOU CAN HAVE REARRANGE THE HOUSES AND UH, UH, BUT I THINK, UH, IF, IF IT IS DOABLE, LOOK INTO IT.
IF YOU JUST START OFF, GIVE ANOTHER LOOK, JUST THINK ABOUT IT WHEN YOU COME BACK.
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ALRIGHT GUYS.THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING.
'CAUSE I HAVE A, I NEED TO TALK ABOUT ONE OTHER THING WHEN WE GO OUT THERE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON ANYTHING THOUGH.
SO WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO THE FORMAL SUBMISSION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
THANKS FOR COMING IN AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO PROCESSING THE FORMAL APP.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK.
JANELLE, IF WE STOP THE RECORDING, CAN WE STILL HEAR, CAN WE STILL COMMUNICATE WITH MONA? GIVE HER A SECOND.