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GOOD, UH, WELCOME TARA TOWN BETA WORK SESSION.
UM, IT'S FIVE, UH, 12 ON OCTOBER 11TH.
AND, UH, SORRY THAT WE'RE A LITTLE LATE, BUT, UH, OUR FIRST DISCUSSION IS THE LOWEST RUNS ON CHILDREN'S CENTER AND THE PLAYGROUND ISSUE.
UH, ROY, WOULD YOU WANNA COME UP AND CAN I ALSO COME? YEAH, SURE.
I THINK THEY'RE GONNA BRING, BRING ANOTHER CHAIR.
WHY DIDN'T YOU SHIFT OVER TO YOUR RIGHT? I DUNNO IF WINS IS GINA.
DO YOU WANNA SIT RIGHT OVER HERE? I, YOU CAN SIT RIGHT HERE NEXT TO ME.
WHY DON'T YOU TAKE MY SEAT? SHE PROMISED YOU INVITE.
IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE, IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE HER, WE COULD MOVE HERE.
I'M GONNA SIT DOWN BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA MAKE SURE YOU SIT.
I DON'T WANNA NO, YOU'RE FINE.
'CAUSE SOMEONE WAS ASKING, I THINK I MIGHT HAVE GIVEN THEM THE WRONG, I TOLD 'EM JUST CLICK ON TOWN BOARD MEETING AND THEY'LL SEE IT.
NO, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON LIVE RIGHT NOW.
SO, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE FOLLOW UP ACTION STEPS, UM, TO GET THE PLAYGROUND, UM, BUILT AT THE COMMUNITY AT THE, AT THE LOIS BRONZE CHILDREN'S CENTER.
AND, UM, MAYBE WE COULD START WITH LLOYD BECAUSE MADE A VERY PASSIONATE, UH, PRESENTATION.
WELL, NOT, NOT ONLY BEING PASSIONATE I TO BE, YOU NEED TO BRING A MICROPHONE.
WE DID BRING THE MICROPHONE NOT ONLY BEING PASSIONATE, BUT I HAVE TO, IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT I BE VERY SHORT.
AND THE REASON BEING IS THAT AS WE SPEAK, MY WIFE IS UNDERGOING SURGERY AND I HAVE TO BE BACK IN THE HOSPITAL.
BUT THIS IS AS IMPORTANT TO ME AS THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT LIES BETWEEN US HERE, THIS TABLE AND CHILDREN THAT DOES, THAT WILL BE OUR FUTURE.
AND THE CATASTROPHE THAT HAD OCCURRED, ESPECIALLY AS I'M SPEAKING IN THE LOUIS BROWN CHILDREN'S CENTER, I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT I BRING THAT TO THE TABLE.
IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT I HAVE, AND NOT ONLY ME, EVERYONE COMES TO SOME, A CANDID DECISION AS TO WHAT THE STEPS WOULD BE TAKEN, WHAT THE STEPS WOULD BE TAKEN, AS I SAID, AND WHEN IT'LL BE TAKEN.
SO I YIELD MY COMMENTS TO PROBABLY, UH, MRS. GORDON, WHO COULD PROBABLY, UM, GIVE SOME MORE INFORMATION THAN THAT.
THE SITUATION IS AS SUCH THAT, UM, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG OWNS THE BUILDING THAT HOUSES A LARGE BRONZE CHILDREN'S CENTER.
WE ALSO OWN THE LAND BEHIND THE BUILDING.
WE OWN THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND THE LAND AROUND THE COMMUNITY CENTER, AND ALSO YOSEMITE PARK IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
AND THE LLOYD BRONX CHILDREN'S CENTER HAS BEEN OPERATING AT THAT FACILITY FOR NUMEROUS YEARS.
AND THE TOWN HAS ALWAYS PLAYED A VERY ACTIVE ROLE IN UPKEEPING THE BUILDING.
THE TOWN DOES DO THE MAINTENANCE OF THE BUILDING, AND THEY ALSO MAINTAIN OUTSIDE THE PLAYGROUND, THEY DO THE SNOW REMOVAL.
AND WE HAVE COMMISSIONER FOND HERE AND BRIAN SIMMONS, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, THEY COULD, YOU KNOW, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT FOR YEARS THE TOWN HAS ALWAYS MAINTAINED THE BUILDING AND THEY'VE ALSO MAINTAINED THE PLAYGROUND OUTSIDE.
WE HAVE RECEIVED NUMEROUS FUNDS FROM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, WHICH IS THROUGH, THROUGH HUD.
AND THEY HAVE GIVEN US GRANTS GOING BACK FROM THE TOWN EXISTED.
I CAN QUOTE FOR EXAMPLE, IN TWO THOU, THE YEAR 2000, THEY GAVE MONEY FOR THE PLAYGROUND IMPROVEMENT.
UM, THEY GAVE, UM, IN, IN 2001, THEY GAVE MONEY FOR THE RENOVATIONS OF THE UNION CHILD DAYCARE CENTER, WHICH IS NOW KNOWN
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AS THE LOCE BRONZE CHILDREN'S CENTER.THEY'VE ALSO, THEY'VE GIVEN SO MUCH MONEY THEY'VE GIVEN FOR, UM, AIR CONDITIONING, FIRE ESCAPE.
THEY ALSO GAVE MONEY TO, UH, FOR THE PLAYGROUND ERA PLANTINGS.
THEY GAVE MONEY FOR TRANSPORTATION FOR A BUS.
I HAVE PAGES OF WHAT THEY'VE GIVEN TO THE LOIS BROWN CHILDREN'S CENTER.
NOW, EACH TIME THEY GAVE MONEY TO THE CENTER SUPERVISOR, FINER, AND ANTHONY RIN, WHO WAS HERE BEFORE THEY ALL GAVE A MATCH.
THE MATCH WAS ANYWHERE FROM 25% TO 50%.
SO THE FACT THAT THE TOWN HAS GIVEN A MATCH THAT SHOWS THE TOWN IS COMMITTED TO THE LOYCE BRONZE CHILDREN'S CENTER AND TO THE CHILDREN DOWN THERE.
SO NOW WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THAT FEMA CAME, I MEAN, IDA CAME AND THE LO BROWN CHILDREN CENTER WAS DAMAGED BY IDA, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAD APPLIED FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT TO THE PLAYGROUND.
NOW, BECAUSE OF THE DAMAGE, WE'RE ABLE TO LEVERAGE BOTH FEMA MONEY AND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT TO FIX UP THE PLAYGROUND.
BUT WHAT FEMA IS SAYING TO US IS THAT THEY WANNA KNOW WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WHO FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE BUILDING AND THE PLAYGROUND, AND ALSO WHO OWNS THE BUILDING AND WHO OWNS THE PLAYGROUND.
SO WHAT I'M GONNA NEED IS FOR OUR ATTORNEY TO TELL US WHO OWNS THE BUILDING AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE BUILDING.
SO IF, UH, ONCE YOU GOT THAT INFORMATION, THEN THERE'S NO ISSUES, THEN THERE'LL BE NO ISSUES, THEN, THEN WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT RICH FA, WHICH HE AND HE BOTH, HE AND BRIAN SAID TO ME, WINSTON, WE CANNOT TOUCH THE PROJECT UNTIL WE KNOW WHETHER THE TOWN OWNS THE BUILDING.
BUT THINK OF IT THIS WAY, BUT WE CAN'T CONFLATE THE TWO.
IF WE OWN THE LAND THAT THE PLAYGROUND IS ON, THEN TECHNICALLY WE KIND OF OWN THE PLAYGROUND.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, I, I ALSO FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS CENTER IS HISTORIC.
IT WAS, IT WAS PROBABLY THE OLDEST, UH, CHILDCARE CENTER IN, IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY.
AND IF THERE'S A CHILDCARE CENTER WITHOUT A PLAYGROUND, THAT'S THE CHILDCARE CENTER'S GONNA GO OUT OF BUSINESS, WHICH WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I THINK POTENTIALLY COULD GO OUT BUSINESS, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE REALLY SAD.
UM, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S HISTO, THIS IS A HISTORIC CENTER.
SO I THINK THAT EVEN IF THERE'S A GRAY AREA, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A GRAY AREA, BUT EVEN IF LIKE THERE'S SOME ISSUES HERE AND THERE, I THINK THE TOWN ORCHARD OR ON THE SIDE OF SUPPORTING THE PLAYGROUND, LETTING THE PLAYGROUND, YOU KNOW, BE BUILT.
UM, YOU KNOW, LOIS BROS DID AN AWFUL LOT FOR THE COMMUNITY.
I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS A COUNTY LEGISLATOR, SHE WOULD SPEND HOURS EVERY SINGLE, YOU KNOW, DURING THE HOLIDAYS, UM, ON THE PHONE RAISING FUNDS.
AND YOU KNOW, I THINK IF SHE'S LOOKING DOWN ON US, SHE WOULD BE VERY, VERY UPSET IF SHE EVEN THOUGHT THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY THAT THE CENTER COULD BE, YOU KNOW, IN TROUBLE.
SO, YOU KNOW, TO ME, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, THE CENTER IS, YOU KNOW, IS AMAZING.
AND, YOU KNOW, LAST WEEK, UH, THE WESTCHESTER COMMUNITY FOUNDATION TOOK A TOUR OF THE CENTER AND THE, AND THE THEATER.
AND THE THEATER YOUNG COMMUNITY CENTER.
AND THEY WERE REALLY IMPRESSED.
AND THEY, THEY, THEY'RE IMPRESSED WITH BOTH THE LOIS BRONX CHILDREN'S CENTER.
THEY MENTIONED THE, THE CENTER EVEN BEFORE THEY, AND THEY, THEY WERE MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE LOIS BRONX CHILDREN'S CENTER, THEN THE THEATER YOUNG COMMUNITY CENTER.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO, WE CAN'T SEND A MESSAGE THAT WE'RE IGNORING THE IMPORTANCE OF, OF THE CENTER.
CAN I JUST SPEAK, MY NAME IS MIM KELLER PERKINS.
WE NEED TO HEAR, MY NAME IS MIM KELLER PERKINS.
MY NAME IS MIRIAM KELLER PERKINS.
I'M ON THE BOARD OR THE LOUIS BRANCH CHILDREN'S CENTER.
UM, AND I, I I THANK YOU FOR THOSE WORDS.
BUT FOR TWO YEARS WE HAVE IGNORED THE LOWER BROWN CHILDREN'S CENTER FOR TWO YEARS.
OUR CHILDREN HAVE NOT HAD A PLAYGROUND.
AND THE MONEY, UM, OUR C E O DID WHAT ALL THE NECESSARY PAPERWORK.
JOAN LEWIS SHEPHERD, AND SHE ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH JAMES KOSKI, WHO WAS THE FEMA UP IN ALBANY, WHO WAS THE CHARGE OF THAT.
AND A PROJECT MANAGER WAS ALLOCATED.
FUNDS WERE, WERE ALLOCATED FOR THIS PARTICULAR THING.
SO I'M JUST TELLING YOU FACTS.
WE KNOW THAT IN FACT, THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS THE BUILDING IS OWNED BY THE TOWN.
SO NOW ALL WE WANNA KNOW IS WHEN, AND I KNOW MR. COURT HAS SPOKEN, UM, AS WELL, BUT MY WIN IS SOMETIME THIS YEAR BECAUSE AS MR. COURT, UM, IF YOU WENT BACK AND YOU LOOKED AT YOUR WORK SESSION ON 9 28, YOU KNOW, HE HAS SAID WINTER IS SOON GONNA BE APPROACHING.
WHERE DO OUR KIDS GO? WHERE DO THEY PLAY? ALRIGHT.
AND IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE DO NOT MAKE OUR CHILDREN OF ALL COLORS IN THE CENTER, YOU KNOW, FEEL ANY DIFFERENT THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
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IT'S, YOU NOW HAVE THE FACTS.WE NOW HAVE TOLD YOU WHAT WE WOULD LIKE.
AND SO NOW ALL WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS WHEN WE CAN EXPECT THIS TO BE DONE SO THAT OUR KIDS WILL HAVE A PLAYGROUND.
AND THE REASON WHY WE'RE ALSO ASKING FOR THAT, I'M SURE YOU'RE ALSO VERY MUCH AWARE THAT THERE IS A DRUG CENTER RIGHT NEXT TO US.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP OUR CHILDREN WHILE THEY ARE SAFE ON A PLAYGROUND THAT WE KNOW IS SECURED THAT YOU CANNOT GET TO UNLESS YOU COME THROUGH THE BUILDING.
SO FOR US VERSUS TRYING TO TAKE OUR CHILDREN, GO AROUND THE CORNER AND EXPOSE OUR CHILDREN TO EITHER BE HIT BY A CAR TO SLIP AND FALL, THAT IS NOT NECESSARY.
AND I'LL JUST SAY IN, IN REGARDS TO MY OFFICE, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION PERSONALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME WHEN MR. COURT, AS YOU SAID, SHOWED UP AT THE LAST TOWN BOARD MEETING.
AND WE IMMEDIATELY SPOKE WITH WINSOME AND STARTED COLLECTING DATA.
UH, MYSELF AND MY OFFICE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE A FINAL AND CORRECT DETERMINATION THAT THE TOWN OWNS THE PROPERTY AND, AND IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PROPERTY.
SO WE'RE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
WE'VE COLLECTED A LOT OF INFORMATION AT THIS POINT.
WHEN YOU SAY PROPERTY, YOU MEAN THE PLAY EQUIPMENT? THE PLAY, THE PLAY GROUND ITSELF.
BUT THE EQUIPMENT ITSELF SPECIFICALLY.
UM, THERE'S BEEN SOME CONFUSION IN THE PAST IF THE TOWN OWNS IT OR NOT.
AND WE ARE LOOKING AT THE FACTS RIGHT NOW AND LOOKING AT ALL THE PAPERWORK WE HAVE, WE'RE STILL WAITING.
SOME, WE HAVE REQUESTS TO THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL GOING BACK TO OLD DOCUMENTS.
WE JUST WANT TO HAVE EVERYTHING IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE MAKE OUR DETERMINATION, IT'S FINAL.
AND THERE'S NO CONFUSION FOR ANYONE.
UM, I WASN'T ABLE TO HAVE THAT ANSWER FOR TONIGHT, BUT WE DON'T EXPECT, IT WILL TAKE LONG TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
UM, I DO HAVE THE SITE PLAN IF YOU NEEDED THAT, UM, WHICH WAS FILED WITH THE COUNTY.
I DO HAVE, AND A COPY OF THAT WAS FORWARDED YOU.
WHEN DO YOU THINK WE'D BE ABLE TO GET AN ANSWER? BECAUSE EVEN IF IT, BEFORE YOU ANSWER, EVEN IF YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE EQUIPMENT THAT IS ALSO BEING COVERED BY THE FEMA MONEY.
I, I MYSELF WAS AFFECTED BY IDER BACK THEN AND THEY HAD GIVEN ME THEIR, YOU KNOW, I, IF YOU GUYS OWN IT AND THE EQUIPMENT WAS BOUGHT, ALL WE WANNA DO IS TO GIVE OUR KIDS BACK A SLIDE, BACK, A PLAYGROUND, A SAFE PLAYGROUND THAT THEY CAN BE IN.
AND WE'RE SAYING THE FUNDS ARE THERE.
AND I'M OF THE OPINION WHEN MONEY TO A BURDEN, A HAND IS WORTH TWO IN THE BUSH IF THE MONEY IS THERE.
AND I KNOW MR. SHEEN, YOU HAD SAID, WELL, YEAH, TRY GETTING THAT MONEY FROM FEMA.
WELL, SINCE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR US TO START THE PROJECT AND THEY HAVE THE MONEY, CAN WE GET THE MONEY RIGHT NOW SO WE CAN DO THE PROJECT? AND ALSO, I'M WORRIED, LISTEN, BUT IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
WE ALL LOVE THE COMMUNITY, THE, UH, THE CENTER, AND WE WANT THE PLAYGROUND FOR THEM TO BE SAFE.
FEMA HAS A REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE TO OWN THE EQUIPMENT.
IF WE LIE ON AN APPLICATION, I, NO, I DON'T WANT YOU TO DO THAT.
IF WE LIE ON AN APPLICATION TO FEMA, WE'RE NEVER GETTING FEMA MONEY AGAIN.
AND THE PERSON WHO FILLS OUT THAT APPLICATION'S IN SERIOUS PROBLEM, I UNDERSTAND.
WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY WHO'S VERY THOROUGH.
HE NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COMPLY WITH FEMA'S REQUIREMENT THAT WE OWN.
THAT PLAYGROUND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUILDING.
THE BUILDING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LAND.
WHAT THEY WANT US TO KNOW, WANT US TO PROVE IS WE OWN THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
THAT'S, LEMME JUST ASK A QUESTION.
IS THERE A WAY WHERE WE COULD REACH, THINK THIS CAME UP TWO YEARS.
CAN I JUST ASK YOU A QUESTION? WAS SIX YEARS AGO, IS THERE, IS THERE A WAY WE COULD REACH OUT TO, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA GET THIS PLAYGROUND BUILT QUICKLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EVERY DAY WITHOUT A PLAYGROUND, IT CREATES MAJOR HARM FOR, FOR THE CHILDREN.
YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPACTING THEIR EQUALITY, UH, YOU KNOW, OF LIFE AND THEIR GROWTH.
WHAT IF, WHILE YOU ARE, IF LET'S SAY, WHILE YOU ARE WORKING ON IT, WHAT IF WE REACH OUT TO CONGRESSMAN MONDAY JONES, CONGRESSMAN, YOU KNOW, BOWMAN, AND BASICALLY SAY, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THERE MAY BE, UH, THE TOWN IS BOARD IS TOTALLY COMMITTED TO THIS PLAYGROUND.
EVERYBODY, THERE'S NO ISSUES WHETHER WE WANNA FUND IT.
THERE MAY BE, UM, A, YOU KNOW, A MINOR TECHNICALITY, WHICH WE, MAYBE WE COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY OF RESOLVING MAYBE WHAT IF WE COULD THE LOWEST BRONX CHILDREN'S CENTER AND THE TOWN BOARD AND THE TOWN BOARD, IF WE BASICALLY
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COULD SAY JOINTLY, UM, YOU KNOW, SIGN, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING SAYING TOWN BOARD OWNS THE LOWEST BRONX CHILDREN'S CENTER.WE OWN, YOU KNOW, WE OWN THE LAND.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE LOIS BROWN, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, UH, CHILDREN'S CENTER.
WE'RE, WE'RE JOINTLY, YOU KNOW, APPLYING FOR THIS FEMUR GRANT.
MY, MY FAILING IS IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, AND WE REACH OUT TO OUR CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION THERE, THERE SHOULD BE NO PROBLEM IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN TERMS OF WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A TECHNICALITY THAT IS GONNA MESS UP OUR ABILITY OF GETTING, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS GRANT, YOU KNOW, SO WE DO HAVE THE GRANT.
THE FACT IS WE DO HAVE THE GRANT.
THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE.
AND WE DID REACH COOPERATE, I THINK BETWEEN, BETWEEN, BETWEEN OUR ATTORNEY AND, AND CONGRESSMAN, UH, CONGRESSMAN COUNCILMAN SHEHAN.
I'LL, UM, WE, WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
WHAT WE ONE, WHAT I, MY QUESTION IS, UM, HAVE YOU GOTTEN COOPERATION FROM THE TWO AGENCIES THAT YOU NEED TO GET INFORMATION FROM AND ANY KIND OF COMMITMENT ON TIMING TO GET IT ALL TO US? SO WE JUST MADE THE REQUEST LAST WEEK SINCE IT CAME UP THE PREVIOUS WEDNESDAY, THE MEETING.
SO IT HASN'T BEEN OUTSTANDING FOR LONG.
HOWEVER, I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH BOTH AGENCIES TOMORROW.
I EXPECT THAT THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY CLERK WILL BE QUICKER TO RESPOND THAN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
AND ALSO, I KNOW THE DOCUMENTS EXIST WITH THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY CLERK.
I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF THE DOCUMENTS EXIST WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
SO THAT MIGHT TAKE, UM, A LITTLE TIME.
I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS A BREAK CONCERN AND THAT IT IS A TIMELY ISSUE.
UM, AND THAT YOU HAVE BEEN WAITING, LIKE I SAID, I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT IT RECENTLY AND I'M TRYING TO MOVE IT ALONG AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
SO WE'LL MAKE THOSE FOLLOW-UP REQUESTS TOMORROW.
SO, SO IF YOU WOULD LET US KNOW TOMORROW, ONCE YOU'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION, WHAT THE TIMING IS, IF YOU CAN GET SOME IDEA OF THE TIMING SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND THEN WE WILL MOVE FORWARD.
WHO AUTHOR? I JUST WANNA, I AUTHORIZED THE PAYMENT OF THE EXISTING EQUIPMENT.
I HAVE NOT RECEIVED AN ANSWER.
CAN I JUST SAY, I JUST WANTED TO ANSWER HIS QUESTION.
AGAIN, IT WAS APPROVED BECAUSE I ALSO WAS WORKING WITH ANDREW STEWART, COUSIN AND SAMUEL BRANDON.
WE REACHED OUT AGAIN TO MAKE SURE BEFORE MONA LEAVES THAT EVERYTHING WAS IN PLACE.
SO AS FAR AS WITH MON, AS FAR AS THE GRANT, IT WAS GIVEN TO US.
SO NOW IT'S JUST WITH THE QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED, UM, REGARDING EVERYTHING.
BUT ON THAT END, WE HAVE TIED EVERY KNOT.
WELL, LEMME ASK ONE OTHER, ONE OTHER SUGGESTION.
MY NAME IS FAYE BRANCH AND I SIT ON THE COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANT COMMITTEE.
I AM VESTED IN THE LOWEST BRONZE CHILDCARE CENTER.
MY CHILDREN, THE OLDEST IS 47, THE YOUNGEST IS 38.
AND THEY WENT THROUGH THE PROGRAM.
I SAT ON BOARDS, I DID THE TELETHONS IN WHAT? KNUCK WITH LO FRANCE.
UM, IN ALL THE YEARS THAT THE CENTER HAS BEEN THERE, WHO BOUGHT THE EQUIPMENT? WHO PURCHASED? I'M PRETTY SURE IT WAS A TOWN.
WAIT, I, I'M ALSO A TEACHER AND I TEACH AUTISTIC HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS.
I KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF NOT HAVING SOCIAL, EMOTIONAL INTERACTION, PHYSICAL ACTION.
I UNDERSTAND FOR TWO YEARS, PEOPLE ARE PAYING MONEY FOR CHILDREN TO GO TO THE DAYCARE CENTER AND WE ARE BICKERING OVER LAND.
AND THIS, IT SHOULDN'T BE, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE CHILDREN.
THEY HAD EQUIPMENT TO PLAY ON.
THERE'S MONEY THAT HAS SUPPORTED THE CENTER FOR YEARS.
THAT CENTER HAS BEEN THERE, I THINK 60 YEARS TO BE HONEST.
AND IT WAS PAID FOR WITH A DOLLAR FOR IT TO FALL THIS FAR BEHIND.
AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, WE FOUGHT FOR THE THEODORE DE YOUNG COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH USED TO BE THE FAIRVIEW GREENBURG COMMUNITY CENTER.
THIS IS THE COMMUNITY THAT WE WERE BROUGHT UP IN.
WE HAVE THE SUPPORT TO KEEP IT TOGETHER.
WE HAVE BOARD MEMBERS WHO AREN'T REALLY ON THE BOARD, WHO DON'T LIVE IN GREENBURG.
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SO ARE A LOT OF OTHER ONES TO SAY EQUIPMENT.WHO BOUGHT THE EQUIPMENT? I CAN'T PAY FOR THIS BECAUSE THE EQUIPMENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE.
AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE SQUASHED.
THE KID SHOULD GET WHAT THEY NEED FOR THE CENTER.
AND WE SHOULD GO UP AND DO THE RIGHT THING THAT SHE FIT.
THIS WILL SHED SOME LIGHT TO THE SITUATION.
IN 1993, WE RECEIVED A GRANT FOR $230,000 FOR THE UNION CHILD DAYCARE ESSENTIAL PLAYGROUND WITH THE GRANT.
WE APPLIED FOR THE GRANT TOWN.
WE HAVE TO APPLY FOR THE GRANT.
ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE BUILDING? YES.
THAT WAS A TOWN OF GREENBERG APPLICATION.
I WILL TRY TO PULL THE RESOLUTION FOR YOU.
THE TOWN HAD TO COME UP WITH A MATCH FOR THAT.
SO IF THE GOVERNMENT IS GIVING YOU MONEY AND YOU HAVE TO MATCH IT, WHO OWNS THAT EQUIPMENT? BUT I REMEMBER BEING AT THE DEDICATION OF THE PLAYGROUND IN THE, IN THE 1990S, I WAS THERE.
I REALLY THINK THAT WE'RE WASTING TIME.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT GRANT BOUGHT THE EQUIPMENT? NO, THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE.
I SPOKE TO ALFREDA WILLIAMS AND SHE'S RETIRED.
AND SHE REMEMBERED THAT RICHARD A GOT A GRANT THAT'S RIGHT.
TO BRING THE, THE, UH, THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT THERE TO THE CENTER.
BUT I TRIED TO, I REACHED OUT TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND THEY COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING.
IN FACT, I WENT THROUGH LIKE A WHOLE YEAR'S MINUTES READING EVERY PAGE TO SEE IF I COULD FIND IT.
THEY COULDN'T FIND IT BECAUSE IT'S GOING BACK TOO FAR AND THE SYSTEM IS NOT BRINGING IT WHEN SOME, WHAT IF WE, UM, DID THIS, WHAT IF SAY NEXT TUESDAY, WHAT IF NEXT TUESDAY WE HAVE A ZOOM MEETING? FINISH.
SUPERVISOR FINER ANOTHER THING TOO.
WE RECENTLY APPLIED AND THE TOWN BOARD HERE, YOU ALL APPROVED IT.
WE APPLIED FOR A BRANCH FOR, UM, THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AT THE LLOYD BRONX CHILDREN'S CENTER.
WE APPLIED WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A MATCH AND THEY'RE GIVING US 200,000.
WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH 200,000.
WHO OWNS THE PLAYGROUND? THE TOWN OWNED THE PLAYGROUND IN THESE GRANT APPLICATIONS THAT WE HAVE APPLIED FOR IN THE PAST IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CHILDCARE CENTER.
BUT WHAT HAPPENED IS THIS, I READ A DOCUMENT RECENTLY AND, UM, MENTIONED THE WORD CHATTELS.
UM, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT TIM AND DAVID FRIED SENT OUT SAYING THAT THE TONGUE WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LORD'S BRONZE CHILDREN CENTER.
AND THERE WAS A WORD IN THERE THAT SAYS CHATTEL.
WHEN I LOOKED AT THE WORD, I SAID, DOES THAT MEAN PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT? AND THEN I LOOKED AT THEM.
CHATTEL MEANS THAT IT MEANS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S MOVABLE LIKE A TABLE, A CHAIR.
AND IF I'M WRONG, OR IF I'M HURTING ANYBODY FEELING, I APOLOGIZE.
SO I COULD BE MAKING A MISTAKE.
BUT WHEN I READ THAT AND I, AND I WENT UP TO ROBERTA AND WE LOOKED IT UP AND IT'S A, IT'S A FIXTURE YOU CAN MOVE.
SO THE PLAYGROUND CANNOT BE MOVED BECAUSE FOR THAT SAFETY SERVICES TO COME UP, THEY HAVE TO REMOVE THE EQUIPMENT.
SO IT'S A PERMANENT FIXTURE IN THE GROUND.
SO I THINK WE OWN THE PLAYGROUND.
AND I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY AND I'M GONNA RESPECT WHATEVER MY ATTORNEY TELLS ME.
IF HE SAYS WE DON'T OWN IT, I WILL RESPECT HIS DECISION AND I WILL NOT SPEAK ABOUT IT ANYMORE.
AND I FEEL THAT WE OWN THAT EQUIPMENT.
WE OWN THE LAND, WE OWN THE EQUIPMENT.
SO, SO WHEN YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT, GO AHEAD.
THE FUNDING CAME ORIGINALLY FROM, FROM ASSEMBLYMAN BROSKY.
A GRANT THAT HE, SO THAT WOULD BE THROUGH THE ASSEMBLY.
HAVE YOU CHECKED TO WITH THE ASSEMBLY TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY RECORD? I TRIED, BUT I WENT THROUGH THE CLERK'S OFFICE TO SEE, 'CAUSE EVERY TIME WE ACCEPT ANY MONIES, THERE'S A RESOLUTION THAT'S PASSED ALL OF THESE GRANTS, THE COUNTY SENT ME ABOUT 10 PAGES OF ALL THE MONEY THEY'VE INVESTED IN GREENBURG.
ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE DAYCARE CENTER BUILDING THE TOWN HAD TO MATCH IT.
ANYTHING TO DO WITH SERVICES LIKE MENTAL HEALTH.
UM, THEY HAD, UM, STRATEGIC PLANNING, THEY HAD, UM, SCHOLARSHIPS.
THE DAYCARE CENTER HAD TO APPLY AS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION.
BUT WOULD THEY HAVE, WOULD THE CLERK HAVE RECORDS OF A GRANT FROM THE ASSEMBLY OR YOU'RE JUST SAYING THEY WOULD HAVE THE RESOLUTION IN THE MATCH RE GRANT, THEY SHOULD RESOLUTION ACCEPTING OR, YEAH.
AND, AND I JUST HAVE TO, I JUST HAVE TO, I JUST HAVE TO INTERJECT THIS POINT.
I WAS NOT, I WAS, I I WAS NOT AWARE OF, BECAUSE YOU, YOU'RE GOING ON TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE CLERK'S OFFICE DIDN'T, DIDN'T HAVE.
I WAS NOT AWARE OF ANY SEARCH THAT YOU HAD REQUESTED TO BE CONDUCTED IN, IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
UH, I JUST BROUGHT ON BOARD TODAY A PART-TIME, UM, EMPLOYEE WHO IS A LAW SCHOOL GRADUATE.
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GET HIM ON THIS PROJECT RIGHT AWAY TOMORROW.GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT THE FILES, LOOKING AT THE MINUTES OF BOARD MEETINGS FROM 1993.
IF YOU GIVE ME A TIMEFRAME WITHIN WHICH TO SEARCH THOSE RECORDS, I WILL MAKE SURE THERE'S SEARCH.
I DID NOT MEAN TO INTERRUPT, HOWEVER, FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE PUBLIC, I DID NOT WANT YOU TO GO ON WITH THIS CONVERSATION, UM, WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT A DILIGENT SEARCH WAS CONDUCTED IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
I WAS NOT AWARE OF IT, BUT I AM AWARE OF IT NOW AND IT WILL BEGIN TOMORROW.
I REACHED OUT TO LOUIS AND WHAT HE DID, HE STARTED PULLING RECORDS.
I ASKED HIM TO LOOK BECAUSE HE CAN LOOK THROUGH LASER FISH AND ALL THESE THINGS.
WHAT LOUIS DID, LOUIS SENT ME TWO YEARS WORTH OF, UM, MINUTES.
AND I PHYSICALLY SAT THERE FOR HOURS AND WENT THROUGH LINE BY LINE TO SEE IF I COULD FIND ANYTHING.
I SAID I COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING.
I DIDN'T COME TO YOU, JUDY, BECAUSE I FIGURED, I FIGURED IT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOUR STAFF COULD HAVE HANDLED.
SINCE WE WANT TO EXPEDITE THIS AND WE WANT GET A DECISION LIKE QUICKLY, WHY DON'T WE, UM, SAY FOR NEXT TUESDAY AT THE WORK SESSION, WHY DON'T WE SEE IF WE COULD GET A REPRESENTATIVE, FEMA, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US, CONGRESSMAN MANIA JONES, CONGRESSMAN BOWMAN'S OFFICE, SENATOR COUSINS MEETING WITH ALL OF US AT THE SAME TIME, IF WE ARE NOT ABLE TO RESOLVE THIS, BECAUSE MY FEELING IS THAT IF, UH, WE HAD A ZOOM MEETING AND FEMA WAS THERE AND THE CONGRE AND REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION WERE THERE, I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET ANYTHING THAT THIS IS NOT GONNA BE, THERE'S GONNA BE NO CONTROVERSY.
THEY'RE GONNA LET US GO AHEAD.
UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IF WE HAVE CONGRESSIONAL SUPPORT FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM, UH, MONDAY JONES AND FROM BOWMAN, WHICH WE, WHICH I'M SURE WE'LL GET, I THINK THAT WE COULD GET THIS RESOLVED BY NEXT WEEK.
THAT'S MY, THAT THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
UH, JOE, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT'S GONNA TAKE YOU TO GET AN ANSWER? THAT'S, WELL, HE'LL LET US KNOW TOMORROW, PAUL.
AND I THINK ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO INVOLVE, IT WAS THROUGH ANDERS, THROUGH COUSINS.
IT WAS THROUGH SIMMER WHO TOLD ME I HAD TO GO TO MONTE JONES BECAUSE YOU SAID IT IS THE CONGRESSMAN THAT HANDLES THE FEMA MONEY.
SO I WENT, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT SOURCE.
I THEN TOLD THE CHAIR OF THE LOUIS BROWN CHILDREN'S CENTER FROM THERE, WE KNEW SHE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH FOUR WITH JAMES BROKOWSKI, WHO IS THE MANAGER OF FEMA IN ALBANY.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE ANYBODY PRESENT, AND IF POSSIBLE, BUT AT THIS POINT, I'M NOT WAITING TO GET EVERYBODY SCHEDULED TOGETHER.
NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT WE HAVE A MEETING.
'CAUSE THE WAY THINGS GO NOW, YOU KNOW, UH, WE JUST NEED TO GET THIS DONE AND EVERYTHING HAS BEEN APPROVED.
AND I THINK I AM GOING TO, NOW I DEFER TO THE ATTORNEY BECAUSE I THINK HE HAD A GOOD POINT.
AND I THINK WHAT JUDITH WAS ALSO SAYING, SO THAT WE CAN JUST TIE UP ALL OF THESE ENDS MM-HMM.
I THOUGHT THAT YOU GUYS WERE ALL MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO CLUTTER IT WITH ALL THIS OTHER NONSENSE.
NOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ILLEGAL.
THE MONEY WAS GRANTED BY FEMA TO THE LOIS BROWN.
AND I JUST FEEL LIKE AT THIS POINT, SO WINSTON, IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER IDEA, OKAY.
UM, I HAD A MEETING EVERY THURSDAY, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS HAS A MEETING WITH, WITH FEMA.
UM, IT SO HAPPENED THAT BOTH BRIAN AND RICH WERE NOT AVAILABLE FOR THE MEETING THIS PAST THURSDAY.
BUT CHELSEA, JOELLE REPRESENTED THE D P W VERY WELL.
FEMA HAS TWO QUESTION, WHO OWNS THE BUILDING AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE BUILDING AND THE PLAYGROUND? THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO QUESTIONS THEY WILL WANNA SEE A COPY OF THE DEED.
AT FIRST, THEY WEREN'T ASKING FOR THE DEEDED, BUT BECAUSE OF THIS, BECAUSE YOU'D BE SURPRISED.
THEY NOW WANNA SEE A COPY OF THE DEEDED AND STUFF.
BUT THEY WERE ASKING FOR ANY OF THOSE DETAILS BEFORE BECAUSE THEY NEVER ASKED FOR IT FOR THE THEOR YOUNG COMMUNITY CENTER.
AND THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR ANY OF OUR BUILDINGS.
SO WHO OWNS A BUILDING? WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE BUILDING AND THE PLAYGROUND? THE PLAYGROUND, AND WHO HAS BEEN DOING THE MAINTENANCE? WHICH I DID FIND OUT THAT THE TOWN HAS BEEN DOING ALL THE SNOW REMOVAL.
THEY HAVE SOMEONE DOWN THERE MAINTAINING THE BUILDING AND THEY MAINTAIN THAT'S IN THE CONTRACT.
AND THEY MAINTAINED THE BUILDING AFTER IDA, BECAUSE WE WERE SERIOUSLY FLOODED.
OUR CLASSROOMS, OUR FILES WERE DESTROYED.
THEY CAME IN AND THEY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB, UM, BETWEEN VACUUMING AND CLEANING.
AND WE WERE JUST FLOODED WITH SAND ALL OVER THE PLACE.
SO WE HAVE NO DOUBT ABOUT WHO MAINTAINS THAT BUILDING.
AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THINGS KEPT, KEPT, KEEPS GETTING SLOWED DOWN BECAUSE WHEN YOU THROW IN THE BUILDING, THERE IS NO DISPUTE OVER THE BUILDING.
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LAND.IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE PREVIOUS TOWN ATTORNEY HAD THE OPINION THAT THAT WAS NOT TOWN PROPERTY.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO WE HAVE A NEW TOWN ATTORNEY.
HE'S ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL TIME TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S AN INCORRECT STATEMENT, WHICH HAS EXISTED FOR YEARS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
WHAT MAKES THIS DIFFERENT? AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE EITHER.
IS FEMA, FEMA AS JUST ABOUT EVERY AGENCY IS, IS BEING MUCH MORE CAREFUL WHEN THEY GIVE OUT MONEY AND THAT'S ALL THEY'RE ASKING YOU.
YOU WOULD THINK IT'D BE AN EASY STATEMENT TO MAKE, BUT, UH, TO DETERMINE, BUT MAYBE NOT.
WE PUT PLAYGROUNDS ON SCHOOL PROPERTY.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE OWN THE PLAYGROUNDS ON THE SCHOOL PROPERTY? AND IF A CHILD GETS HURT ON A SCHOOL PROPERTY, ON A PLAYGROUND, WE PUT IN THE TOWN, TAXPAYERS ARE LIABLE EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT PLAYGROUND.
OR WHO IS MONITORING THE KIDS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE OPERATING IT SAFELY.
SO IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT AN INS INSUBSTANTIAL QUESTION TO ASK.
THAT'S, I DON'T THINK, AND THAT'S WHY OF US FEEL THAT WAY.
IT'S, THAT'S WHY THE TOWN ATTORNEY IS ASKING US TO GIVE A FEEL FURTHER.
WE FEEL WE'RE FEELING IN A BETTER POSITION RIGHT NOW, TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU, FRANCIS, IS THAT WE'RE FEELING IN A VERY GOOD POSITION THAT WE KNOW THE TOWN ATTORNEY AND BETWEEN THE NEW LAW STUDENT AND DURING THE RESEARCH IN BETWEEN WINSTON, I BELIEVE IT WILL GET DONE THIS YEAR.
I'M VERY, I'M VERY, VERY, VERY HAPPY.
WE, AS OPPOSED TO HURRICANE IDA WAS TWO YEARS AGO, YOU KNOW, AND WHEN I HEARD EVERYBODY TALK ABOUT WHAT WAS DONE IN EDGEMONT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS DONE ON ARMY ROAD, WHAT WAS DONE WITH THIS FEMA MONEY? NO, ALL KUDOS TO YOU GUYS.
BUT WE STILL HAD A PLAYGROUND THAT WAS NOT FINISHED.
AND SOMEWHERE WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR CHILDREN ARE NOT BEING AFFECTED BY, YOU KNOW, A SLOW DOWN.
AND SO NOW THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING.
RIGHT? AND I THINK EVERYBODY IS GONNA BE WORKING EXPEDITIOUSLY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET THIS DONE THIS YEAR.
JOE, HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO FIND THE LEASE? NO, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY LEASE.
SO MAYBE THE INTERN CAN LOOK FOR THE LEASE.
WELL THEN ALSO, IF WE HAVE, I THINK WE HAVE A COPY OF THE LEASE TOO, AT THE LEWIS BROWN CHILDREN'S CENTER.
SO WHAT I'M JUST SAYING, THIS IS JUST, I'M, I GIVE YOU MY CARD AND WE HAVE A FOLLOW CONVERSATION.
10 YEARS AGO, I'M SORRY, COULD YOU TURN MICROPHONE TOWARDS YOU? GOOD JOB.
AND JUST MY QUESTION IS, 10 YEARS AGO, WAS IT A QUESTION? WHO OWNS THE LAMB? IT WAS NOT A QUESTION.
IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN OWNS THE LAND HAS 10 YEARS BEFORE THAT A LAWYER DID WE HAVE A QUESTION? WHO OWNS THE LAND? SO IF YOU WENT BACK 30, 40 YEARS BEHIND IT, JUST LOOKING, ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW, OH, YOU DON'T OWN THE LAND.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE PLAYGROUND.
RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S, MAYBE I SAID IT THE WRONG WAY, BUT THAT WASN'T A QUESTION 10 YEARS AGO.
SO NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S WHO OWNS THE EQUIPMENT? FEMA'S ASKING.
THAT'S, THAT'S FEMA'S INVOLVED NOW BECAUSE OF FEMA.
THE QUESTION NEVER CAME UP BEFORE AS TO WHO OWNS THE EQUIPMENT.
IT'S COMING UP NOW AND WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS.
THAT'S NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAN.
TO, TO DO THAT AND WE HAVE TO BE RIGHT.
OKAY, I'M GONNA SAY SOMETHING NOW.
AND LLOYD, YOU GOTTA BACK ME ON THIS.
WE APPLIED FOR COMMITTED DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT TO REPLACE THAT PLAYGROUND.
IT'S SO HAPPENED THAT HURRICANE IDA CAME ABOUT.
THEY'RE GONNA BE BACKING OUT THE PIECES OF IT THAT'S GONNA BE PAID FOR BY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, WHICH IS GONNA BE THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
THE ONLY PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT THEY'RE GONNA REPLACE IS WHAT WAS DAMAGED BY THE HURRICANE.
NOT ALL OF IT WAS DAMAGED BY THE HURRICANE.
SO THEY, THEY'RE GONNA BE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY AND SYNCHRONIZE THE PAYMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PLACED FOR THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT THAT WAS NOT DAMAGED BY FEMA, BY IDA AND FEMA PAID FOR THE SAFETY SURFACING THAT WAS DAMAGED AND THE PLAY EQUIPMENT THAT WAS DAMAGED BY THE HURRICANE.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A TWOFOLD PROJECT RIGHT HERE.
AND FEMA SAID SOMETHING TO ME, THEY SAID, AND I I, I DON'T KNOW IF BRIAN REMEMBERED THIS, BECAUSE I THINK BRIAN WAS ON THE CALL ALL THESE YEARS YOU'VE BEEN GETTING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, BLACK BRAND FUNDING.
WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE YOU, YOU HAD TO FOLLOW A PROCEDURE TO GET THIS MONEY.
SO I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE YOU DID GET FEDERAL MONEY FOR THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND FOR THE FACILITY IN THE PAST.
I REMEMBER IF THERE'S A DISPUTE OVER WHO OWNS IT,
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COULD, COULD THE, NO.LET'S SAY IF THERE'S A DISPUTE, COULD THE LOWEST BRONZE CHILDREN'S CENTER SEND A SAY WE RIGHT NOW? UH, IT'S NOT OUR INTENTION TO OWN IT.
WHERE IF WE BY SOME CHANCE, UH, WE OWN IT, WE ARE CONVEYING THE PROPERTY, UH, TO YOU.
SO YOU COULD APPLY FOR THE GRANT AND THEN THERE'S NO ISSUE OF, UH, WHO OWNS IT.
I'M TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT THE EQUIPMENT.
IF THEY, IF, IF THE CENTER WOULD SAY THIS EQUIPMENT, WE, WE, UH, BELIEVE THAT THE TOWN OWNS IT.
HOWEVER, IF THERE, IF WE GO BACK AND FIND THAT THE TOWN DOESN'T OWN IT, WE'RE GONNA CONVEY IT.
I'M JUST WONDERING, WOULD THAT RESOLVE THE ISSUE? GIVE UP THE FACTS.
WE'RE NOT PLAYING FAST IN THE FOLLOW THE FACTS.
YES, JOE ESTABLISHED THE FACTS.
SO JOE, WORK WITH EVERYONE TO GET THIS ALL BECAUSE THIS WHOLE THING IS ONE, ONE LAST THING, JOE.
UM, THE TOWN, THE LOYCE BROWN CHILDREN'S CENTER CANNOT APPLY FOR A GRANT FOR THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT.
THEY'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO, IT HAS TO BE THE TOWN THAT APPLIES FOR THEM.
SO THAT'S ONE BECAUSE WE OWN THE BUILDING, BECAUSE WE OWN THE BUILDING AND THE LAND.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE NEVER APPLIED FOR ANYTHING THAT'S CAPITAL.
ANYTHING THAT'S A FIXED STRUCTURE.
THEY CAN ONLY APPLY FOR SERVICES.
EVEN THE AIR CONDITIONING UNIT, WE HAD TO APPLY FOR IT FOR THEM.
SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO REMEMBER THAT, THAT ANSWERS THIS QUESTION.
SO, SO NOW THEY'RE GONNA ALL WORK TOGETHER.
SO IF YOU GOT YOUR COFFEE, I'M GONNA GO GRAB IT FOR MY BAG RIGHT NOW.
PERSONALLY, I THINK, I THINK WE HAVE ACHIEVED A LOT.
AND THE ONLY, THE ONLY PERSON PLATE THAT IS FULL, AND I KNOW IT WILL BE EMPTIED BY THIS WEEK,
MY PHONE WILL BE RINGING IN MY EMAIL.
YEAH, WE LOOK FORWARD, WE LOOK FORWARD FOR AN EXPEDITIOUS ANSWER.
ANYBODY WANT CARD? I ASK THEM ALL DOWN.
THEY THOUGHT THEY WASN'T GONNA GIVE.
IS THE THUMB PAYING FOR THIS
YOU HOPE YOUR WIFE IS SO THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.
UM, THIS NEXT UM, WILL BE THE, OKAY, MS. PARKER, NICE TO SEE YOU.
DON'T FORGET YOUR WATCH YOUR BAG BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA LOSE, YOU'RE GONNA LOSE YOUR STUFF.
IS THAT YOUR SWEATER BEHIND? GET YOUR SWEATER.
COULD YOU DO THAT? COULD YOU DO THAT OUTSIDE? CAN YOU JUST TAKE IT TO THE BACK SO WE CAN CONTINUE? IS THAT YOUR ERIN OR SOMETHING? SOMEBODY LOST THEIR EAR.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS SPRINGWOOD AVENUE.
WE WERE GONNA RE-ASK, UH, FOR AN UPDATE.
AND, AND BRIAN, WE TOOK, WE TOOK A TOUR, UH, A WALK A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
BRIAN, YOU'RE GONNA LET HIM GO SOLO, BRO.
OKAY, SO WE WANTED AN UPDATE ON THE SPRINGWOOD.
UM, JOE, YOU MENTIONED TO ME LAST WEEK THAT YOU THOUGHT YOU NEEDED MORE TIME, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE A DECISION.
COULD YOU TURN THE MICROPHONE TOWARDS YOURSELF? YEAH.
SO AT, AT THIS POINT, AT THIS, THAT ONE TO BRIAN? YEAH.
AT, AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, UM, AFTER, AND I'M SURE BRIAN AND, AND RICH COULD BACK ME UP ON THIS, BUT AFTER AN EXTENSIVE SEARCH OF OUR RECORDS, WE DON'T SHOW ANYTHING BESIDES THE FACT THAT SPRINGWOOD IS A PRIVATE ROAD.
UM, THERE'S BEEN NO DEDICATION TO THE TOWN.
ALL MAPS SHOW IT AS A PRIVATE ROAD.
UH, THERE'S NO RECORDS OF D P W MAINTAINING THE ROAD.
UM, AT, AT THIS POINT, PERSONALLY, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT SHOWS ANYTHING OTHER THAN IT BEING A, A PRIVATE ROAD.
MONTHS AGO, UH, SOME OF US NOTICED THAT THERE'S TOWN SEWERS THERE.
DOES THAT HAVE ANY EFFECT? DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT? SO IN DEVELOPMENTS MM-HMM.
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MM-HMM.JUST MOVE THE MIC CLOSER TO YOU.
SO EVEN IN PRIVATE DEVELOPMENTS, WE'LL HAVE EASEMENTS WITH THE TOWN SEWERS.
AND SOME AREAS, WATER, MAYBE NOT ALL AREAS WATER, BUT WE'LL HAVE EASEMENTS FOR THAT.
SO YOU'LL, YOU COULD SEE THAT IN MANY DEVELOPMENTS THROUGH THE TOWN.
SO IT'S NOT CONNECTED TO WHO OWNS THE ROAD? NO.
BUT, BUT IT'S, IT'S CLEAR TO ME THAT THAT DO WE HAVE ANY, DO WE HAVE ANY, IS THERE ANY, UM, PROOF OF AN EASEMENT FROM TOWN? I CAN'T, WE CAN'T FIND ANYTHING.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, I'VE SPOKEN TO THE RESIDENTS, I'VE MET WITH THEM, YOU KNOW, MANY TIMES.
UM, WE'VE, THERE'S A NEW CURB THAT WAS PLACED THERE WITHIN THE PAST FEW YEARS.
AND I ASSUME IT WAS A TOWN, YOU KNOW, THAT DID IT BECAUSE YOU KIND OF, THERE'S NO INDICATION THAT KIND I DID IT.
THERE'S BEEN POTHOLES THAT HAVE BEEN REPLACED.
WE'VE BEEN FOR AT LEAST 40 OR 50 YEARS, UM, UM, CLEARING SNOW FROM SPRINGWOOD Y YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE'VE DONE IT.
UM, AND THEN LAST YEAR, ALL OF A SUDDEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS THIS DISPUTE, UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH SENATOR, UH, C UH, ANDREA STEWART COUSIN'S OFFICE.
SUSAN TOCH HAS CONTACTED ME A FEW TIMES.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS MAKES THE TOWN LOOK REALLY, REALLY FOOLISH.
WHEN WE'VE BEEN FIXING POTHOLES, WHEN WE'VE BEEN CLEARING SNOW, WHEN WE'VE BEEN FIXING, UM, DOING THE CURB WORK.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN AFTER 40 OR 50, 40 OR 50 YEARS, WE'RE GONNA SAY, OH, WE'RE STOPPING.
YOU KNOW, I, I JUST DON'T, DON'T FEEL THAT THAT'S THE WAY THE TOWN SHOULD BE TREATING OUR RESIDENTS.
AND RICH, DID YOU WANNA ANSWER THAT? JUST TO, TO GIVE THE BACKGROUND SO SUPERVISOR FINAL CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE HISTORY OF ALL I I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE HISTORY IS.
I DON'T ARE ARE THERE ANY RECORDS? I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IT.
AND WE HAVE DONE RESEARCH ON OTHER ROADS IN TOWN, WHICH WE HAVE DONE WORK AND WE SHOULDN'T HAVE.
SO DURING THAT SAME PERIOD, WHICH I BELIEVE IN, IN THE EIGHTIES MM-HMM.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FOLDER, THERE'S DOCUMENTED PROOF THAT WE PAVED THE ROAD.
SO WE JUST, IN THIS CASE, THERE'S NO FACTUAL EVIDENCE ON OUR END THAT WE COULD FIND ANYTHING.
SO THERE'S NOT EVEN ANY EVIDENCE OF MAINTENANCE THAT WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF THE ROAD FOR A REASON.
BUT WE KNOW WE DID THE SNOW REMOVAL.
BUT YOU CAN, BUT THERE, BUT YOU CAN FIND IT ABOUT OTHER ROADS.
BRIAN DID A, A, A BACKGROUND IN ANOTHER AREA WHERE LAST YEAR WHEN IDA HIT IN SEPTEMBER, THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DAMAGE AND, UH, DRAINAGE AND SEWER AND THERE WAS AN EASEMENT.
SO WE WENT IN, UM, AND REPAIRED IT.
AND WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH FEMA TO GET REIMBURSED.
BUT THERE WAS CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT WE HAD DONE WORK THERE TOO.
SO IF YOU LOOK THROUGH OUR RECORDS MM-HMM.
SO THEY WERE GOING THROUGH THE RECORDS IN THIS ONE CASE.
'CAUSE IT WAS A QUESTION, IS IT PRIVATE OR PUBLIC? AND CLEARLY ON OTHER ROADS, CLEAR DOCUMENTATION.
UNFORTUNATELY EVEN ROADS THAT ARE PRIVATE MM-HMM.
SO, AND I FORGET WHICH ROAD THAT WAS.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS WE START TO LOOK THROUGH THE RECORDS, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE FINDING, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE, SO THERE'S, CAN YOU BRING THE MIC TOO? SORRY.
SO I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THERE'S, THERE'S TOWN STANDARDS, RIGHT? WHICH CONSTITUTE A PUBLIC ROAD.
SO JUST SOME OF THOSE STANDARDS HAS TO BE 26 FEET WIDE.
IT HAS TO HAVE CURBING ON THE ROAD.
THERE HAS TO BE STREET LIGHTING ON THE ROAD.
THERE HAS TO BE A CERTAIN PITCH OR A CERTAIN SLOPE BEHIND THE CURB LINE.
IN SOME INSTANCES, THERE MIGHT HAVE TO BE GUIDE RAIL IN PLACE.
AND THESE WERE ALL PUT IN PLACE WHEN THE SUBDIVISION STANDARDS WERE ADOPTED BACK IN THE SIXTIES.
AND SO SOME OF THESE HOMES WERE BUILT PRIOR TO THAT POINT.
BUT SOME OF THESE HOMES, THE LAST THREE HOMES WERE ACTUALLY BUILT IN THE EIGHTIES.
SO THEY WERE BUILT AFTER THOSE STANDARDS WERE ALREADY IN PLACE.
AND SPRINGWOOD ROAD, AS IT CURRENTLY SITS, DOES NOT MEET ANY OF THOSE STANDARDS.
AND THE CURRENT PROCESS FOR A ROAD THEN TO BECOME PUBLIC IS IT HAS TO BE OFFICIALLY OFFERED FOR DEDICATION.
AND THE TOWN HAS TO OFFICIALLY ACCEPT OF THAT ROAD.
AND THAT'S THE RECORDS THAT WE DON'T SIMPLY SEEM TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, D P W WE DON'T HAVE ANY RECORD OF, OF AN OFFICIAL DEDICATION, OFFICIAL, UH, ACCEPTANCE OF THE ROAD.
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AND THEN, LIKE RICH MENTIONED, THERE'S NO RECORDS OF US PAVING THE ROAD OR DOING ANY OTHER SORT OF, UH, MAINTENANCE ON THAT ROAD.AND OUR MAPS INDICATED AS PRIVATE.
SO THE HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT AFTER THE LAW WAS ADOPTED ON SPRINGWOOD ROAD DO NOT COMPLY WITH THE LAW.
AND THAT WOULD SEEM TO INDICATE THAT IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
IF IT WERE TO BECOME A PUBLIC ROAD, IF IT WERE BECOME A PUBLIC ROAD, YEAH.
IF, IF THEY WERE TO HAVE, AT THE TIME, WANTED THE ROADS TO BECOME PUBLIC MM-HMM.
SO WE HAVEN'T MAINTAINED IT VIS-A-VIS AND E REPAIRS AND THERE'S NO RECORD OF IT BEING A TOWN ROAD, BUT WE HAVE PLOWED IT.
YES, WE HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY RECORDS OF THAT.
SO AGAIN, WE, WE ARE HEARING THIS, UH, AGAIN, IT'S BASICALLY BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN I THINK THE HOMEOWNERS AND THE TOWN THAT AT SOME POINT WE WENT IN THERE AND DID WORK.
I'M NOT SAYING IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
UM, IT COULD HAVE BEEN OUR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BUNCH OF, BUT, AND WE HAVE NO, WHEN WE GO TO OUR RECORDS, THERE'S NO FACTS.
THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN PULL OUT AND SAY EVEN FOR FILING.
SO RICHARD, I THINK WHAT NEEDS TO BE CLEARED IS WHAT IS YOUR PROCESS? AND, AND EXPLAIN, EXPLAIN YOUR PROCESSES, HOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT ROLES ARE PROGRESS OR NOT.
WHICH ONE SHOULD BE PLOWED, WHICH ONE SHOULDN'T.
I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE CLEAR ON WHAT THE PROCESS IS.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS TO ME IF I WAS SITTING THERE LISTENING, LIKE, OH, IF I MAKE A PHONE CALL AND SAY, HEY, CAN YOU DO ME A FAVOR? I'M HAVING SOME CHALLENGES HERE.
CAN YOU PLOW MY ROAD? IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST, BUT I THINK WHAT EVERYONE NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND IS WHAT IS OUR PROCESS? SO THE TOWN'S PROCESS IS JUST WHAT BRIAN SPELLED OUT.
AND AS YOU DEDICATE THE ROAD, SO FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE ROADS THAT ARE BEING DONE NOW MM-HMM.
OUR ENGINEERS GO OUT AND CHECK THEM.
THEY MAKE SURE THEY'RE IN SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH THE PLAN SUBMITTED.
ONCE ALL THAT IS DONE, IT COMES BACK TO THE BOARD, GOES THROUGH LEGAL, THEY CHECK IT.
IF EVERYTHING'S GOOD, IT GETS DEDICATED TO THE TOWN, I THINK FOR A DOLLAR, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT.
AND THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, THAT PROCESS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE I STARTED HERE IN 89.
AND IT WAS ALWAYS STRICTLY, SO IF, IF I WANTED TO ADD A RULE TO THE LIST FOR PLOW, I'LL JUST SAY, I'LL JUST STAY ON SNOWPLOW.
HOW WOULD MY, HOW WOULD MY STREET GET ON THAT LIST? FOR SNOWPLOW? YOU'D HAVE TO GET IT DEDICATED IF IT WAS PRIVATE.
AND THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING MAINTAINS A, A STREET MAP, IF YOU WILL, FOR UNINCORPORATED TOWN OF GREENBURG.
SO WHENEVER A ROAD IS DEDICATED AND IT'S ACCEPTED, THEN AT THAT POINT, IT'S THEN THE MAP IS REVISED.
AND THEN THE STREET IS FORMALLY DEDICATED OR SHOWN ON THE MAP AS BEING A, A PUBLIC ROAD.
BUT THOSE ROADS THAT AREN'T PUBLIC, THEY'RE INDICATED WITH A DASH LINE.
IN THIS CASE ON THE MAP, SPRINGWOOD AVENUE IS DASHED.
SO IF THEY WANTED TO MAKE THIS ROAD PUBLIC, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN? WE FIRST HAVE TO HIRE AN ENGINEER.
TO GO OUT AND DESIGN A ROAD THAT COMPLIES WITH.
SO I WANT YOU TO BE CLEAR ON WHO'S, WHO'S ROLE IS WHO.
SO IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD, LIKE THE ONE BEHIND US, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET AN ENGINEER.
THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE AFFECTED WOULD'VE TO GET TOGETHER, HIRE AN ENGINEER TO COME UP, BUT THE PLAN TO BRING THAT ROAD AND OR SHOW THAT THE ROAD IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TOWN STANDARDS AND THEN IT FOLLOWS THAT PROCESS.
AND THEN IF IT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE, THEY FIRST BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE.
WHO'S DAY? EVERYONE, THE OWNERS.
HAVE TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE.
AND, AND SO, UM, THE RECORDS THAT ARE GENERALLY KEPT WITH REGARD TO WHAT ROADS ARE BEING MAINTAINED, ARE THOSE, ARE THOSE RECORDS COMPREHENSIVE? DO THEY COVER ALL OF THE ROADS IN THE TOWN? DO WE HAVE RECORDS OF WHAT ALL THE ROADS THAT ARE BEING MAINTAINED IN THE TOWN THAT ARE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR TO EACH OTHER? SO WE HAVE THE MAP THAT BRIAN TALKED ABOUT, UM, WHICH INDICATES PUBLIC OR PRIVATE MM-HMM.
WE ALSO HAVE, UH, A MAPPING SYSTEM, WHICH SHOWS A LOT OF THIS.
BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE DAY, IF YOU HAD A PLOW DRIVER WHO WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA OR SOMETHING OF THE SORTS COULD, IF SOMEONE WENT IN THERE AT ONE POINT AND PLOWED IT COULD HAVE BEEN LEY GOING TO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WITHOUT GOING BACK TO THE PEOPLE THAT DID IT BACK THEN.
IT'S, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THEN THAT THE RECORDS WOULDN'T NECESSARILY REFLECT WHETHER MAINTENANCE,
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WHETHER TOWN STAFF DID MAINTENANCE ON THAT ROAD? THERE'S NO WRITTEN RECORD.MY QUESTION IS, THE RECORDS THAT EXIST, WOULD THEY NECESSARILY REFLECT THAT MAIN, THAT THE TOWN DID MAINTENANCE ON THOSE ROADS? OR COULD THE TOWN HAVE DONE MAINTENANCE ON THOSE ROADS AND THERE IS NO RECORD TO REFLECT THEM? NOT WITH, WITH PAVING.
'CAUSE CLEARLY IN, IN JUST THE MEADOW VIEW, THERE WAS RECORDS OF US PAVING.
SO, I MEAN, THERE'S A WRITTEN RECORD OF PAVING, BUT IT DEPENDS ON WHAT SERVICE WAS YES.
SO, AND BRIAN, AND, AND WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING THROUGH, YOU FOUND THE DEEDED OF SOMEBODY THAT HAD A HOUSE BUILT OR EXTENDED IN THE EIGHTIES.
AND IN THAT DEED IT SAID THAT IF THE ROAD WAS IMPROVED PRIVATE, I FORGET WHAT THE WORDING WAS, PRIVATE OR OTHERWISE, THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD HAVE TO PAY HALF THE COST OF IMPROVING THE ROAD, WHICH WOULD THEN TELL YOU THAT AT THE TIME THAT THAT HOUSE WAS BUILT, THE ROAD WASN'T IMPROVED.
BECAUSE OTHERWISE THERE WOULD BE NO NEED TO HAVE THAT PROVISION IN THE DEEDED.
DO YOU REMEMBER THE YEAR? DO YOU REMEMBER THE YEAR? UH, IT WAS, UH, I WANTED, IT WAS THE EARLY EIGHTIES, 83, 83, 84, 84, 85.
AND IT WAS FOR MAL IS THE NAME THAT WAS FOR 25 SPRINGWOOD, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
I I JUST WANNA READ, UM, A EMAIL THAT JIM DIXON SENT THE BOARD MARCH 30, MARCH 31ST OF THIS YEAR.
AND IT WAS SENT TO, UH, SUSAN TOLSON, WHO'S AN A TO, UM, SENATOR, UM, ANDREW STEWART COUSINS, WHO WAS VERY INTERESTED.
SENATOR COUSINS'S OFFICE CONTACTED US LAST YEAR.
HE SAID, THANK YOU, PAUL, FOR YOUR RESPONSE.
UM, AND VISITING SPRINGWOOD, THE FACTS THAT YOU LAID OUT IN YOUR EMAIL ARE CLEAR INDICATIONS OF THE TOWN'S LONG TI TIME CONDUCT THAT IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THE CONDUCT ON OTHER PUBLIC ROADS THROUGHOUT THE TOWN.
IN ADDITION, NONE OF THE SIX HOMEOWNERS HAVE AN OWNERSHIP INTEREST IN THE STREET.
NO ONE IN SPRINGWOODS A HUNDRED PLUS YEAR EXISTENCE HAS CLAIMED IT TO BE A PRIVATE ROAD.
THE TOWN HAS FAILED TO IDENTIFY A PRIVATE OWNER.
THE ROAD, UH, WAY HAS BEEN USED BY THE PUBLIC CONTINUOUSLY WELL BEYOND THE 10 YEAR HIGHWAY LAW SECTION 180 9 STATUTORY PERIOD FOR ESTABLISHING IT AS PUBLIC USE.
AND THE TOWN ITSELF HAS IDENTIFIED SPRINGWOOD AVENUE AS A PUBLIC ROAD AND THE NEW YORK STATE LOCAL HIGHWAY INVENTORY DATABASE AND RECEIVED STATE FUNDING FOR ITS MAINTENANCE.
IT'S A TRAVESTY THAT THE STATUS OF SPRINGWOOD AVENUE AS A PUBLIC ROAD IS EVEN IN QUESTION UNDER THE TOWN'S RESIDENTS WHO DEPEND ON IT SUDDENLY ARE BEING PUT THROUGH THE ANXIETY OF HAVING TO PROVE WHAT, WHAT THE TOWN, UH, THROUGH ITS CONDUCT AND ACTION HAS ACKNOWLEDGED FOR 40 YEARS OR MORE, PLEASE RESOLVE THIS, RESTORE OUR SERVICES AND REPAIR SPRINGWOOD AVENUE.
JIM DIXON, I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, AT THE MINIMUM WHILE THIS IS BEING REVIEWED, WE SHOULD, UM, AGREE TO CLEAR THE SNOW, UH, OF SPRINGWOOD.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANNA DO, YOU KNOW, FURTHER RESEARCH, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD BE, UM, UM, A TRAVESTY IF, UM, AFTER DOING SOMETHING FOR 40, 50 OR 60 YEARS TOWN ALL OF A SUDDEN SAYS, NO.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOOK AT THE ROAD AND YOU SEE THE CURBS.
IT'S A, IT'S A RELATIVELY NEW CURB.
I'M PRETTY SURE IT WAS A TOWN THAT DID IT.
YOU COULD LOOK AT THE POTHOLE.
THERE'S POTHOLES, THERE'S, BUT PAUL, IF, IF THE TOWN DID IT, WOULDN'T WE HAVE RECORDS? WELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF WE, AND NUMBER TWO, WHAT ARE THE FACTS THAT YOU LAID OUT TO? WELL, THE, THE WHICH YOU REFERRED TO JIM DIXON.
WE COULD INVITE HIM, YOU KNOW, BACK IF WE WANT.
BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA LISTEN TO YOUR STAFF WHO CAN
BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK THAT, I THINK THE STAFF IS WRONG IN THIS CASE.
I THINK THAT WE ARE HERE TO SERVE THE PUBLIC.
AND I FEEL THAT I'M, THAT THIS IS TO ME, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SERVING THE PUBLIC.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'VE BEEN, I THINK WE LOOK REALLY, REALLY FOOLISH AND RIDICULOUS.
YOU LOOK FOOLISH AND WE PUT OUT FALSE INFORMATION.
NO, NO, BUT I'M TELLING YOU, I THINK IT LOOKS REALLY FOOLISH IF WE'VE DONE SOMETHING FOR 50 YEARS OR 60 YEARS OR WHATEVER CHANGE.
I'M TELLING, I'M GIVING YOU MY OPINION, WHY.
BUT WHERE IS THE WHERE WE WOULD AGREE WITH, IF YOU COULD JUST PROVIDE THE PROOF, WELL THEN, THEN I WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS THE PROOF.
WHO ELSE WOULD, WHO ELSE WOULD'VE DONE IT? YOU KNOW, ALL I COULD SAY IS ALL I WANT THE PROOF, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ALL OUR RESIDENTS THE PROOF OF.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? COULD WE, UM, AS A COMPROMISE, UH, AGREE THAT FOR THIS WINTER SEASON THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO CLEAR? UH, ARE WE THE ROADS FOR EVERYBODY? NO, NO.
ON THIS BIG, ON ON ROADS THAT WE'VE, UH, TRADITIONALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, CLEAR SNOW.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
AND THEN WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.
BUT YOU SEE PAUL, THIS IS, THIS IS THE ISSUE
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AND YOU DO THIS QUITE FREQUENTLY.TOWN STAFF COMES UP WITH THEIR OPINION BASED ON DATA.
AND WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION PRIOR TO YOU SENDING THAT EMAIL WHERE TOWNS STAFF TOLD YOU, THERE IS NO DOCUMENTATION THAT WE HAVE MAINTAINED THAT ROAD.
AND THE VERY NEXT DAY YOU SENT OUT AN EMAIL SAYING, WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR DECADES BASED ON NOTHING.
YOU SEND THAT TO SUSAN TOLSON, I DIDN'T SEND IT.
SHE THOUGHT WE WERE OUR RIDICULOUS ON THE INFORMATION THAT YOU GAVE ME.
AND THEN SHE MENTIONS ALL THOSE THINGS THAT SHE SAYS, BUT IT'S BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID.
AND SO NOW THAT SUPPOSEDLY IS ADDITIONAL PROOF, BUT IT'S BASED ON NON-DATA.
WE HAVE A DEEDED THAT CLEARLY STATES IN THE EIGHTIES THAT IF THE ROAD IS IMPROVED, THAT MEANS IT WASN'T IMPROVED.
THE DOCUMENT THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, NEW YORK STATE DOCUMENT EVERY YEAR, INCLUDING THIS ONE, SAYS THAT ROAD IS UNPAVED BECAUSE THE TOWN DOES HAVE NO, HAS NO RECORD OF US PAVING IT.
IT WASN'T THE TOWN BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW IF IT WASN'T THE TOWN.
SO YOUR ASSUMPTION IS, SO RECORDS DON'T SHOW IT.
OUR RECORDS DON'T SHOW IT AND IT SHOWS IT.
NO, THERE'S ORDINARY BUSINESS PRACTICE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
NOW YOU'RE UP TO 60 YEARS AGO, NOT RECORD WHEN THAT THAT ROAD WAS PAVE.
MY CONCERN IS SOME MORE THAN OTHERS.
WE NEED TO HAVE A CONSISTENT STANDARD.
AND THE STANDARD HAS TO BE BASED ON DATA.
UH, THERE'S SOME SERIOUS RAMIFICATIONS FOR US USING PUBLIC MONEY FOR PRIVATE ENTITIES OR PRIVATE PURPOSES, PRIVATE ROADS.
WE NEED TO BE SURE THAT IF WE'RE GONNA SPEND TAXPAYER MONEY FOR A PRIVATE ROAD, IT'S NOT PRIVATE.
AND THERE'S THE, WE, WE HAVE OUR TOWN ATTORNEY TELLING US HE CAN'T FIND ANYTHING THAT, THAT, UH, TIPS THE SCALE WE HAVE D P W HAVING DONE, HOW MANY MORE TIMES DID WE WANT TO SEND, GO BACK AND LOOK FOR MORE TO TRY AND PROVE A NEGATIVE? WELL, WE'VE ALSO SAID, AND WHAT PROOF DOES, DOES, DID THOSE RESIDENTS HAVE THAT WORK WAS DONE BY THE TOWN.
AND YOU KEEP SAYING WE, AND OKAY, LET ME, LEMME JUST SAY, AND IT HAS TO, THE PROOF ALSO HAS TO BE THAT IT WAS DONE FOR 10 CONTIGUOUS CONTINUOUS YEARS.
WELL, WELL, MR. MR. DIXON SAID, MR. DIXON SAID THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED SPRINGWOOD AVENUE, THE TOWN AS A PUBLIC ROAD IN THE NEW YORK STATE LOCAL HIGHWAY INVENTORY.
AND THE TOWN HAS RECEIVED STATE FUNDING FOR ITS MAINTENANCE.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS GONNA BE AN EXPENSIVE LAWSUIT THAT THE TOWN PROBABLY IS GONNA LOSE.
UM, AND, AND, AND THE THING IS, AND I THINK THE TOWN SHOULD LOSE IT.
IF, UH, IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S A LAWSUIT, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE, THERE'S, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED THUS FAR THAT WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE TOWN WOULD LOSE A LAWSUIT.
I THINK THAT THEY WOULD, THE ONLY EVIDENCE THAT HAS THE ONLY, THE ONLY, THE ONLY EVIDENCE THAT I HAVE SEEN AS A PRACTICING ATTORNEY ADMITTED TO THE BAR THAT THE TOWN WOULD LOSE THE LAWSUIT IS FROM AN INTERESTED WITNESS WHO HASN'T GIVEN US ANY OTHER PROOF THAT I KNOW OF, EXCEPT WHAT HE SAYS.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WELL, IT, IT, IT CAN BE WHAT YOU THINK AND FEEL AS MUCH AS YOU, YOU HAVE A BIG HEART AND YOU CARE ABOUT ALL THE RESIDENTS OF GREENBURG.
BUT WE HAVE TO BE, WE, WE HAVE TO BASE IT ON FACT.
UM, I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT WE ASK SUSAN CHEN TO FIND OUT THAT WHEN THE DESIGNATION WAS MADE, OSTENSIBLY OF THE STATE SAYING IT'S A ROAD THAT'S OWNED BY THE TOWN.
I, I, I DO, WE OH, I'LL GET THAT INFORMATION.
SO WHAT? SOMETHING IS A GO, WE, YOU HAVE TO MOVE.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL THAT OF OUR TIME BECAUSE THE G D Y C C IS USING THIS ROOM AND THE WEB WEBINAR LICENSE.
WE GOTTA SWITCH IT OVER TO THEM ABOUT, UH, 20 TO SEVEN.
AND WE HAVE TO FINISH UP THREE.
WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT TO REVIEW, AGENDA REVIEW.
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FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE SIXTH PUBLIC HEARING, UM, TO CONSIDER A LOCAL LAW CREATING A NEW CHAPTER 4 54 IN REGARD TO THE TOBACCO PRODUCT.THERE'S
REVISIONS ARE BEING CONSIDERED.
CAN THE BOARD, UM, ADJOURN THE HEARING TO OCTOBER 26TH, THE NEXT, UH, TOWN BOARD MEETING? WE COULD, BUT I, I THOUGHT THAT, IS IT NOT GONNA GET REVISED? I BELIEVE IT.
IT'S JUST WE HAVE A NOTICE RIGHT NOW.
YOU'RE SAYING SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO RE-NOTICE.
UH, ANYBODY HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THAT? NO.
SO IT'S JUST GONNA, IT'S NOT GONNA BE DELETED.
THE, FOR THE HISPANIC HISTORY MONTH PRESENTATION, WE COULD DELETE MARTHA LOPEZ.
SO THAT WILL BE ONE LESS MARTHA LOPEZ HERE.
SHE WAS ORIGINALLY CONFIRMED TO SPEAK THAT SHE, UH, LET US KNOW TODAY THAT SHE HAS A CONFLICT.
SHE'S GOT A LONG TITLE, MULTIPLE TITLES, ACTUALLY TWO, TWO LINES.
AND THE PRESENTATIONS, THEY'RE GONNA BE 10 MINUTES LONG.
HOW LONG WILL THEY BE REALLY? FIVE MINUTES EACH? MAYBE, MAYBE WE SHOULD, NO, IT'S NOT FUNNY.
MAYBE WE SHOULD PUT THAT NEXT TO YOU COULD DO THAT.
WHEN PEOPLE SEE THE AGENDA, THEY WILL KNOW HOW MUCH TIME THEY HAVE.
THERE WILL BE FIVE, YOU COULD SAY FIVE MINUTES FOR EACH ONE.
FOR, YOU KNOW, EVERY, ALL THE PRESENTATIONS WILL BE VERY SHORT AT THIS TIME.
WHAT, WHAT ABOUT THE PRESENTATIONS? WELL, OF THEM WILL BE LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES.
THAT, THAT'LL BE LIKE THREE MINUTES.
IT'LL BE, MEYER WILL BE A COUPLE MINUTES AND WE HAVE IT HERE.
SO WE SHOULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THOSE PRESENTATIONS.
I THINK THE MAIN THING IS TO TELL THEM IN ADVANCE SO THAT THEY PLAN FOR THE FIVE MINUTES WHEN WE HAVE THEM.
THERE ARE EIGHT SPEAKERS, YOU KNOW, A COMPANY DOESN'T, BUT ON THE, UH, SOLAR AND IS EASIER
SO I THINK WHO SAY THE PROPOSED LOCAL LAW, THE WAY THE THE PROPOSED LOCAL LAW, UM, READS IS THAT THEY NOTIFY PAUL.
IT REALLY SHOULD BE THE BUILDING BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
AND SECONDLY, IT DOESN'T SAY WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE'VE MADE A BIG DEAL OUT OF, WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE SOLAR.
AND IF IT'S, UM, IF IT'S MORE THAN, UH, I THINK IT'S 50 KILOWATT HOURS, THEN THEN YOU'RE EXEMPT.
YOU'RE EXEMPT FROM HAVING A PILOT.
BUT IF A PILOT REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF TAXES YOU WOULD PAY, GENERALLY, DOES THAT MEAN IF IT'S LESS, THERE'S AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE HERE THAT THEY PAY THE FULL AMOUNT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT THOSE, THE BIG ONES.
I BELIEVE THEY'RE EXEMPT, BUT IF THEY ARE EXEMPT ENTIRELY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME TYPE OF THING, UH, WE SHOULD SAY.
SO WILL WE BE AMENDING IT AND STILL STILL BE HEADING PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS? I THINK, I THINK SINCE THE LAW HAS BEEN UP, WE'LL JUST LEAVE IT UP.
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AND NOW IT'S AFTER HEARING THAT THESE ARE CHANGES THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING SO THAT THE PUBLIC HAS A CHANCE TO SPEAK ABOUT IT.AND THEN IF THEY SPEAK ABOUT IT, WE DON'T HAVE TO RE-NOTICE THE MEANING BECAUSE THEY WERE AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IN THE NEXT ROOM, WE'RE ADJOURNING UNTIL WHEN THE, UM, 20 CHAPTER FOUR 80.
UH, JUST AS SOMEBODY RAISED AN ISSUE ABOUT THE, UH, RAY KATINA DONATING MONEY, WHICH, UH, I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING THAT THEY DO THAT.
UH, BUT THERE WAS A, BUT IT'S COMING BACK UP AGAIN.
SO IT'S, PO FOUR IS AN ADDITIONAL $5,000.
WE APPROVED ACCEPTING $20,000, AND WHEN THE CHECK CAME IN, IT WAS $25,000.
SO THAT'S WHY IT SAYS ACCEPTING.
I ONLY RAISED THAT BECAUSE SOMEBODY WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE FIRST 20.
THAT'S, THAT'S A NICE THING THAT THEY DO.
SO SOMETHING THAT THE AGENDA IS REMINDING ME OF THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, UM, IS THAT THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL, UH, IS DOWN A MEMBER AND THEY ARE, ARE SEEKING ANOTHER MEMBER OR A REDUCTION IN THEIR NUMBER FROM NINE BACK TO SEVEN, UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE HAVING A PROBLEM GETTING A FORUM WITH NINE.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A HEARING ABOUT? UH, YEAH.
SO CAN I ASK QUESTION? I CAN, WE JUST, I THOUGHT, I THINK YOU'RE GONNA ANSWER MY, CAN I JUST ASK, I'M I'M GONNA JUMP TO IT.
SO THEY CAN, SO THEY CAN, YEAH, THEY CAN, AS LONG AS THEY DON'T DROP A BELOW SEVEN.
BUT LET'S FIND OUT, AND IF NOT, WE'LL DO WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE ENTIRE ONE.
JUST IT SAYING THE NO FEWER THAN SEVEN UP TO NINE.
REMEMBER THAT CAME UP AND THAT KEPT COMING UP.
YEAH, I DO DO REMEMBER THAT NOW THAT YOU MENTION IT, BECAUSE THERE WERE CONCERNS THERE.
SO I'LL CHECK WHAT I THANK YOU.
I MEAN, WE COULD ALSO BE PUBLICIZING THE AVAILABILITY OF SPOTS ON BOTH ANTENNA BOARD AND THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK, LIKE WITH THE ANTENNA BOARD, I DON'T THINK WE PUBLICIZED THAT THERE, THERE'S A BOARD AND THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR MEMBERS, UH, IN PROBABLY 20 YEAR, YOU KNOW, PRACTICALLY, OH, NO, WE DID SOME OUTREACH, BUT MOST PEOPLE ARE VERY INTERESTED IN BEING ON THE BOARD WHEN IT'S AN ANTENNA IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEN AFTER THAT GOES UP OR WHATEVER HAPPENS, UM, THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH INTEREST.
BUT IF THERE IS, THEN WE'RE ADDING A SEAT SO THAT THEY CAN, BUT I'M WONDERING IF BEFORE WE CHANGE THE LAW, WHEN IT MAKES SENSE, IF WE GAVE IT A TRY AND PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE THAT THERE'S A VAC VACANCIES ON THE ANTENNA BOARD.
UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, THIS WAY AT LEAST WE'RE GIVING PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY BEFORE WE REDUCING THE MEMBERSHIP.
I JUST DON'T LIKE, LIKE THREE MEMBER BOARD, BECAUSE I FEEL THAT YOU HAVE THESE THREE MEMBER BOARDS AND THERE'S NOT, TO ME, YOU KNOW, IT IS JUST A FEW PEOPLE MAKING MAJOR DECISIONS THAT IMPACT EVERYBODY IN THE TOWN.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'D RATHER HAVE A LARGER BOARD PERSONALLY.
UH, CAN WE HAVE A LIST OF THE BOARDS AND WHAT THE TERMS ARE? AND YOU KNOW, I'VE ASKED JOAN FOR THIS.
UH, WE WE ARE, WE HAVE IT, WE HAVE AN UPDATE LIST.
I'M JUST WORKING ON IT AS WELL.
I'LL SEND IT TO YOU THIS WEEK.
SO, SO WE'LL HAVE E EVERY, SO EVERY PERFECT.
AND WE SHOULD PUT IT ON EVEN THE WEBSITE, YOU KNOW, AND JUST SAY, IT SHOULD BE, THESE ARE THE MEMBERS OF, UH, EACH BOARD.
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THESE ARE THE EXPIRATION.AND THEN WE SHOULD HAVE A SYSTEM WHERE, UH, WHEN THE TERMS END, UM, YOU KNOW, WE BASICALLY IMMEDIATELY, UH, YOU KNOW, RECONFIRM OR, OR APPOINT SOMEBODY ELSE.
SO WE COULD GET, MAYBE WE COULD GET EVERYTHING ON THE WEBSITE WITHOUT PUTTING, YOU KNOW, THE HOME ADDRESSES.
IT COULD JUST SAY, THESE ARE THE NUMBERS.
YEAH, YOU SHOULD JUST, THE NAMES.
ANYBODY ELSE? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
JUST ONE MORE THING ON MUTE, DOESN'T WE? WE NEED TO WRAP IT UP BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE OUT OF HERE.
OH, THE HONORARY STREET NAME NAMING THE WHO? OH, OH, THE VIC.
UM, YOU KNOW, HE DID SO MUCH IN THE COMMUNITY, AND I THOUGHT WE SHOULD, UM, HAVE AN HONORARY, UM, STREET NAMING, UM, NEAR WOODLANDS HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, IN HIS HONOR AND HIS MEMORY, HE RECENTLY, YOU KNOW, PASSED AWAY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, HE, HE BASICALLY WAS A GIANT IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, WITH THE WISE PROGRAM AND ALMOST A GIANT IN THE WORLD.
AND I MEAN, WE HAD THE PRESENTATION LAST WEEK, BUT IF ANYBODY'S DESERVING RECOGNITION, IT'S, IT'S HIM.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD, SO IN THEORY, ARE WE, WOULD WE WANT TO CONSIDER IT? YOU'RE ASKING AND THEN YOU LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHICH ROAD.
YEAH, THERE'S, I I WAS THINKING MAYBE, UH, YOU KNOW, EITHER THE ROAD, UM, RIGHT NEAR, UH, WEST HARTSDALE AVENUE, NEAR STONE OAKS, YOU KNOW, HEADING TO PAT, PAT CAPONE ROAD.
YOU WANNA RENAME IT? PAT CAPONE? NO, I'M SORRY.
AN HONORARY UNDER, UNDER, UNDER THAT.
OR WE COULD DO THE ONE GOING, UM, UH, FROM, UH, WHAT IS IT, DALE DALEWOOD, UH, DALEWOOD, WHICH IS SOMETIMES CLOSE.
I MEAN, SOMETIMES IT'S CLOSE
NO, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT WE COULD, WE COULD NAME THAT YOU LEAST EXPECT THERE'S NO STREETS ON OVER THERE, RIGHT? NO, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT WE COULD ON OVER THERE.
BUT DALEWOOD, I'M, I'M, I'M ASKING A QUESTION.
NO, WE COULDN'T, THERE'S THERE'S NO STREET SIGN OVER THERE BY DALE.
WHERE YOU LOOKING? NO, WE CAN MAKE IT DALEWOOD BECAUSE THAT'S AN ENTRANCE TO, UH, TO THE WOODLANDS.
ARE YOU TRYING TO DO IT FROM WOODLANDS, FROM THE GATE TO THE, TO THE FIELD, TO THE CAMPUS ROUTE? WELL, IT COULD BE FROM, BECAUSE THERE'S NO STREET SIGN.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO THINK.
IF WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING YEAH, WE COULD DO THAT.
RIGHT? I JUST NOT, BUT I JUST, I JUST, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR NAMING STREETS? IS THERE LIKE A PROCESS OR ANYTHING? NO, WE BASICALLY, WE, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE DESERVING.
I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE WAS A PROCESS, I JUST CAN REMAKE IT.
THERE IS, ISN'T THERE A PROCESS? I DON'T KNOW.
THERE IS A PROCESS, A PROCESS SUPPOSED TO GET A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SIGNATURES, BUT THE NOT FOR, NOT FOR, UH, HONORARY STREET.
UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS IS GUT REACTION, WHICH IS WHAT GINA'S GETTING TO.
UH, BUT THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE, YOU KNOW, ACTUAL DEMONSTRATED COMMUNITY SUPPORT.
WELL, THERE'S DEFINITELY COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR HIM.
WELL, THEN IT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.
NO, I DIDN'T, I I, IT WAS A GENERAL QUESTION.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR PERSON.
I JUST WAS ASKING THE PROCESS.
WE SHOULD ASK THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHAT STREET DO THEY THINK WOULD BE MM-HMM.
I WAS THINKING THEY WOULD DO SOMETHING ON, ON THE CAMPUS.
COMING UP FROM, ARE WE TAKING, AND ARE WE TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IF THEY WANT TO HONOR SOMETHING, OR AS SOON AS YOU GO UP THE HILL AND MAKE THE TURN FRONT, THAT COULD BE A NICE AREA TOO.
THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR PROPERTY.
NO, BUT WE COULD CERTAINLY ASK THEM.
WOULD THEY FIND, GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO INCLUDE THEM IN THE PROCESS? AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT VIOLATING ANY ETHICAL RULES, I, I DON'T SEE WHY WE CAN'T MAKE THE SIGN QUOTA SINCE WE HAVE A SIGNED JOB.
DAVID GREEN AND, AND I HAVE BEEN REACHING OUT TO VIC'S WIFE, UH, WIDOW, UM, REGARDING THIS MATTER.
AND SO IS THE BOARD NOW REC, UH, RECOMMENDING THAT WE APPROACH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM? I MEAN, THE SUPERINTENDENT TO ASK IF SHE HAS, UH, AN, AN IDEA OF A STREET IN MIND, OR IF THEY WANT TO NAME A STREET ON, ON THE SCHOOL PROPERTY, THE ROADWAY.
AND IF THEY DO, THEN IT GETS DUPLICATIVE.
BUT WE CAN MAKE THE SIGN BECAUSE WE HAVE THE FACILITY, RIGHT.
SO SHOULD WE MAKE A, YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION, PAUL? YEAH.
A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR, FOR PERSONNEL AND LEGAL.
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CAN'T JUST, AND INTERVIEWS PERSONNEL INVOLVING INDIVIDUAL SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS AND TO SPEAK, UH, TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE AMONG ATTORNEY ON VARIOUS MATTERS.OH, WAIT, BEFORE WE GO INTO, I MEAN, BEFORE YOU GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, I SPOKE TO JOE ABOUT THIS, AND, UM, I MADE A COMMITMENT TO, UH, ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS, AL SAMI, TO UM, JUST REVISIT THE STATUS OF THE, UH, APPEAL THAT WAS HELD WAY BACK IN JULY, THE APPEAL HEARING.
UM, AND WE STILL HAVEN'T, HE HAS NOT RECEIVED A, UM, A RESPONSE.
SO, UH, HE ASKED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE GIVE HIM A, UH, A, A SPECIFIC DATE AS TO WHEN HE WILL RECEIVE RESPONSE.
I, I WOULD RECOMMEND BY THE END OF THIS WEEK, BY FRIDAY.
OCTOBER 14TH, IF THE BOARD AGREES.
UM, AND I JUST HAD ONE ADDITIONAL THING, UM, PAUL, I WAS WONDERING, I KNOW I SAW YOU SENT ME AN EMAIL WHERE, UH, THE ACME GROCERY STORE WAS UNAWARE THAT THE EXCESS FOOD ACT HAD BEEN PASSED ON THE STATE LEVEL, AND THAT THE GROCERY STORES ARE MANDATED NOW TO GIVE AWAY, UH, EXCESS FOOD, UH, TO QUALIFYING ENTITIES.
I WAS WONDERING WHETHER WE HAD NOTIFIED ALL OF THE GROCERY STORES IN THE TOWN THAT THE ACT HAD PASSED AND OF THEIR OBLIGATIONS.
HAVE WE DONE THAT? I'VE DONE THAT AT LEAST TWO OR THREE TIMES.
AND I'VE ALSO CONTACTED, UH, DIFFERENT SERVICE CLUBS.
I'VE, YOU KNOW, I'VE MENTIONED IT TO THE HEALTH CENTER MM-HMM.
CAN WE PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE? YEAH, WE COULD DO THAT.
PERHAPS IF YOU GET COPIES OF WHAT, OF WHAT PAUL HAD SUBMITTED, AND WE GIVE IT TO
I THINK THEY MIGHT BE COMPLIANT.
YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE AN ORGANIZATION THAT SAYS, COULD WE HAVE FOOD? AND THEY'LL DONATE IT ONCE OR TWICE, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING REGULARLY BECAUSE THE GREENBERG HEALTH CENTER, THEY HAVE THAT CUPBOARD, UM, IN THE, IN THE LOBBY.
AND IDEALLY, YOU KNOW, ACME SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, OR THE SUPERMARKETS COULD BE DROPPING OFF LOTS OF FOOD.
BUT THE ENTITIES HAVE TO ASK THE SUPERMARKETS.
AND I'VE, I'VE, I KEEP TELLING THEM THIS.
I DON'T KNOW IF, ARE THE SUPERMARKETS REQUIRED TO BRING IT SOMEPLACE? OR IS SOMEBODY SUPPOSED TO, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE AT THE SITE.
AND THEN THE, THE DIFFERENT QUALIFYING ENTITIES COME AND PICK IT UP.
SO WE NEED SOMEBODY TO PICK IT UP AND BRING IT.
BUT EVEN, YOU KNOW, UNION BAPTIST HAS A FOOD PANTRY.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'M GONNA MENTION THIS TO, UH, REVEREND WILLIAMS ROT FOOD, WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO ASK.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? YEAH, JUST ONE QUICK, NO