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EVERYBODY, UH, TO THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 19TH.UH, WE'LL BE DOING A WORK SESSION IN A PUBLIC HEARING A LITTLE LATER ON.
UH, MR. SCHMIDT, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? SURE.
HERE WE HAVE MS. FRAY TAG ON ZOOM AND MR. DESAI IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? OKAY.
I THOUGHT THEY WERE EXCELLENT GIVEN HOW, HOW MUCH WAS SAID.
DID YOU CHECK THE TAPE? UH, THE COMMENT RE RELATED TO SOMETHING ABOUT ME SAYING NOT THE BOARD MEMBERS EXPECTED TO PHYSICALLY ATTEND A MINIMUM OF 75% OF THE MEETINGS.
THAT I DON'T KNOW IF I SAID THAT.
IF I DID, I MISSPOKE AND I'D LIKE TO CORRECT THE RECORD AND SAY WHAT I MEANT TO SAY IS THAT THEY NEED TO BE, UH, ELIGIBLE TO VOTE IN 75% OF THE MEETINGS.
SO THE WAY IT WOULD WORK, IT WORKS IN OTHER RULES, IS YOU CAN'T ATTEND 25% OF THE MEETINGS VIA ZOOM.
SO ANYTHING BEYOND THAT 25% IS AN ABSENCE, HOWEVER, WOULD BE, BE DECLARED AN ABSENCE, THAT'S ALL.
SO, SO AARON, COULD YOU CORRECT THE RECORD TO SAY THAT, PLEASE? YES.
UM, GIVEN THAT I, ON PAGE FOUR, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE HE'S TRYING TO SAY THE WORD PAGE FOUR.
SECOND PARAGRAPH 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 LINES.
IT SAID THE APPLICANT INDICATED OVER DESIGN OF THE STORMWATER SYSTEM, BUT DIDN'T THEY SAY 50 YEARS? HE DID.
I THOUGHT HE ACTUALLY MENTIONED, ACTUALLY HE ULTIMATELY DID, AND THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE DECISION.
BUT, UH, HE MENTIONED IT THOUGH.
I'LL, UH, 50 YEAR TAKE A, MOVE A MO MOTION TO APPROVE IT, THEN IT'S AS AMENDED THEN.
I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE ABSENCES.
THE 75 25 ISN'T REALLY CLEAR TO ME.
SO FORGET THE WHOLE ZOOM ELEMENT.
YOU HAVE TO BE IN ATTENDANCE AT LEAST 75% OF THE TIME PERIOD.
TECHNICALLY NOW, OUT OF THAT 75, 20 5% OF THAT TIME YOU CAN BE ON ZOOM.
YES, I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA ASK YOU TO PUT NUMBERS TO, YEAH, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE.
RIGHT? I GOT NO, NO, I SAID 25% OF THE 75%, THAT'D BE LESS THAN 25%.
IT'S ACTUALLY A THIRD OF THE 75% BECAUSE IT'S 25% OF TOTAL MEETINGS.
WELL, I'M, I'M GLAD WE HAD THE CONVERSATION.
IF WE HAVE, WELL, LET ME DO IT THIS WAY.
IF WE HAD A, IF WE DO IT SIMPLE, IF WE HAD A HUNDRED MEETINGS IN A YEAR, YOU CAN MISS 25 MEETINGS BEING NON VOTING MEMBER.
SO YOU HAVE TO BE A VOTING MEMBER IN 75 MEETINGS.
OUT OF THOSE 75 MEETINGS, YOU ONLY HAVE TO BE PHYSICALLY PRESENT IN 50 MEETINGS.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY A THIRD OF THE 75% IS WHAT? OH, OKAY.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T MAKE THOSE NUMBERS? IF YOU DON'T MAKE THE NUMBERS? YOU, YOU, YOU CAN'T BE REMOVED FROM THE BOARD.
THE, THE TOWN BOARD ASKS ABOUT THEM.
I, WE'VE NEVER HAD THAT SITUATION.
I THINK PEOPLE ARE PRETTY GOOD ABOUT IT, BUT WE DO KEEP STATISTICS ON WE DO.
THE, THE REASON FOR THIS, MICHAEL, YOU WEREN'T HERE THE LAST TIME.
THE REASON I READ THE MINUTES.
OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON TO CORRESPONDENCE.
WE HAVE, UH, TWO EXTENSIONS, I BELIEVE IN CORRESPONDENCE.
UM, BEFORE WE GET TO THOSE, DO YOU WANT TO REVIEW THE CALENDAR FOR 2023? OH, YEAH.
DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE CALENDAR? NOPE.
ALREADY PLUGGED IN FOR MY, OKAY.
NO COMMENTS TO, I DIDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH ANY OF THE DATES.
WE HAVE A, DO WE HAVE A, YOU I HAVE A MOTION THEN TO APPROVE THE CALENDAR FOR 2023.
ALL OPPOSED, ABSTENTIONS PASSES.
SO YOU WANT ME TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE THREE? SURE.
WE HAVE THREE REQUESTS FOR EXTENSIONS.
THE FIRST BEING CASE NUMBER PB 19 DASH 33.
THAT'S THE BRODSKY SUBDIVISION WHO IS ISSUED A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AND THEY'RE REQUESTING A 90 DAY EXTENSION AS THEY WORK WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT REGARDING DEEP TEST PITS AND PERCOLATION
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TESTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE SEPTIC SYSTEM ON THAT SITE.SO THEY NEED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE'S CAPACITY AND THEY HAVE TO SHOW CERTAIN THINGS TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WHICH THEY'RE WORKING ON.
SO THEY'VE ASKED FOR A 90 DAY EXTENSION.
I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE EXTEND THE APPROVE A 90 DAY EXTENSION.
THE SECOND IS CASE NUMBER PB 16 DASH 25.
THAT'S A TEBO SUBDIVISION, KOTT AVENUE, AND THEY ARE ALSO REQUESTING A 90 DAY EXTENSION OF THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAS MADE A, A REQUEST RELATED TO THE WATER MAIN CONSTRUCTION THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING TO ADDRESS.
UH, THEY BELIEVE IT'LL BE ADDRESSED WITHIN THE 90 DAY EXTENSION REQUEST, AND THEREFORE THEY'RE SEEKING A 90 DAY.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT EXTENSION? THEN SECOND.
AND LASTLY, WE HAVE CASE NUMBER PB 19 DASH 26.
THAT'S THE KAUFMAN SUBDIVISION, 36 HILLCREST AVENUE ARDSLEY.
THEY'RE SEEKING A 90 DAY EXTENSION OF THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION.
THEY BEEN WORKING, UM, WITH OUR BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, BUT WE HAD SOME TURNOVER, UH, WITHIN THAT DEPARTMENT, AND THEY STRUGGLED TO, YOU KNOW, MEET THE TIMELINES IN ORDER TO GET, UH, INFORMATION REVIEWED.
SO THEY'VE PICKED THAT BACK UP WITH MR. MANN IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
MR. ESCALADES IS WORKING WITH HIM AND THEY'RE SEEKING AN ADDITIONAL 90 DAY EXTENSION TO WORK THOSE THINGS OUT BECAUSE, UH, WHAT HAPPENS? JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING HAS TO ISSUE A LETTER THAT GOES TO THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT THAT SAYS THE TOWN FROM A UTILITY STANDPOINT IS SATISFIED.
ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE EXTENSION THEN.
SECOND, MICHAEL, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
MO'S A LITTLE DELAYED, BUT SHE DID SAY AYE.
THAT'S IT IN CORRESPONDENCE? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, THEN LET'S MOVE ON TO, UM, OLD BUSINESS.
THE FIRST CASE IS, UH, PB 2216, WHICH, UH, IS A PLANNING BOARD SPECIAL PERMIT AND A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION.
AS YOU RECALL, THIS IS A SPACE, UM, THAT IS REPLACING WHAT WAS A PET STORE IN THE SHOP SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, THE ONLY REASON THEY NEED THE PARKING REDUCTION IS BECAUSE THE, OUR CODE REQUIRES MORE, UH, PARKING SPACES FOR FAST, FOR RESTAURANTS THAN IT DOES FOR, UH, RETAIL.
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON FOR THE REDUCTION.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS AT THIS POINT ON THIS? NO.
WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE, WE'VE HAD THE DISCUSSION.
WE HEARING EVERYTHING, RIGHT? UH, YEP.
I JUST NOTE FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT THAT WE WANT TO DO SEEKER, RIGHT.
AND THE PROJECT DOES QUALIFY AS AN UNLISTED ACTION RIGHT UNDER SEEKER.
SO, COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SEEKER, PLEASE.
SECOND IS TOM, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
COULD I HAVE A MOTION, MONA, TO, UH, DECLARE THIS IN NEGATIVE DECLARATION? SO MOVED.
SECOND IS JOHAN ALL IN FAVOR? WAIT FOR IT ALL IN FAVOR.
NOW CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, SPECIAL PERMIT FOR, UH, THIS APPLICATION? SO I'LL MOVE.
DO YOU WANT A SECOND? IT, MONA, TOM, SECOND.
I'LL HOLD MY TONGUE FROM THERE ON.
FINALLY, I'LL HAVE A MOTION, UH, TO APPROVE THE SHARED PARKING REDUCTION.
WALTER, SECONDS IT ALL IN FAVOR?
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AYE.ALL OPPOSED? WE'RE GETTING THE CADENCE DOWN ON, RIGHT? OKAY.
GRAYSTONE, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF TIMES, UM, IT'S BEEN A WHILE, BUT YEAH, WE SAW IT.
THIS, THIS LAST ONE WAS ABOUT THE ACCESSORY BUILDINGS THAT THEY WANTED TO PUT UP, UM, AS YOU RECALL.
AND WE DID A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL ON THIS.
AND WE'RE AT THE POINT NOW OF WHETHER OR NOT TO GIVE IT A FINAL SUBDIVISION.
WERE THERE ANY CHANGES, UH, TO, TO THE, UH, SUBDIVISION PLAN SINCE THE PRELIMINARY? JUST, UH, A COUPLE THINGS.
UM, ONE, JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS, UH, WAS A RE SUBDIVISION OF FOUR LOTS RIGHT.
TO ELIMINATE, ESSENTIALLY A CUL-DE-SAC MM-HMM.
TURNS OUT THAT MULTIPLE LOTS WERE BOUGHT BY ONE INDIVIDUAL.
SO THEY SOUGHT TO EXTEND THE PROPERTY LINES TO THE MAIN ROAD AND ELIMINATE THE CUL-DE-SAC.
UM, THE ONLY CHANGE TO THE, TO THE PLATT SINCE PRELIMINARY APPROVAL WAS THAT THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN WANTED TO SEE THAT, UH, WATER UTILITY LINES WERE, UM, ABLE TO BE BROUGHT TO THE VARIOUS LOTS, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE PHYSICALLY BROUGHT TO THE SITES AT THIS TIME.
SO THAT WAS SHOWN ON THE PLATT TO SATISFY THAT REQUEST, AND THAT WAS THE ONLY CHANGE.
AND THEY'RE ALSO SHOWING A PAPER STREET FOR SOME RIGHT? THAT IT CAN BE BUILT.
THE PAPER STREET CAN BE BUILT IF THEY NEED TO OR NOT? NO.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE UNDERSTANDING THE BULB OF THE CUL-DE-SAC AND THAT LAND WILL BE, UH, ADDED TO, WE NEED TWO, TWO VOTES IN THIS.
WE NEED TO WAIVE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
CAN I HAVE A VOTE TO WAIVE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE FINAL SUBDIVISION THEN? SO MOVE TO SECOND, SECOND, SECOND.
AND THEN CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FINAL SUBDIVISION FOR GREYSTONE? SO MOVED.
UH, UH, DO WE HAVE TO SAY AS, UH, UH, AMENDED? AMENDED BY THE TOWN BOARD? OR THAT WAS AMENDED? IT'S NOT, IT'S WHAT? IT'S WHAT THE APPLICATION WE'RE REFERENCING THE UPDATED PLAN.
DO I HAVE A SECOND THEN PLEASE? SECOND.
WALTER, SECONDS IT ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
DO YOU WANT TO BEFORE WE GO ON PUBLIC HEARING? ACTUALLY WE MUST WELL, SHE'S NOT EVEN HERE.
DO YOU WANNA GO STRAIGHT INTO A PUBLIC HEARING OR? I THINK SO.
WE'RE GONNA GO, UH, OUT OF, UH, WORK SESSION AND IN ABOUT TWO MINUTES WE'LL BE BACK FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
WE JUST, WE HAVE TO MOVE UP TO THE DAAS.
UH, WELCOME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR MEETING TONIGHT.
WE HAVE ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS THE RE SUBDIVISION CASE, PB 2201.
COULD YOU PLEASE, UH, CALL THE ROLE CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ.
HERE NOTE THAT MS. FREYTAG IS ON VIA ZOOM AND MR. DESAI IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
DO YOU WANNA DO THE, UH, SEEKER BEFORE THE PRESENTATION? YES.
UH, WHEN YOU DO SEEKER ON THIS, UM, I WOULD, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS AND UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SEEKER.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, THAT PASSES.
AND COULD I HAVE A, A MOTION TO DECLARE THIS? A NEGATIVE DECLARATION UNDER SEEKER.
IT AND HONOR, DOES IT ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
SINCE IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING, I'D APPRECIATE YOU JUST BASICALLY GOING THROUGH, UH, THE WHOLE PROJECT, BUT AS SURE AS SUCCINCTLY AS YOU CAN.
DID YOU INTRODUCE THE CASE NUMBER? YEAH, I DID.
UH, CHAIRMAN SCHWARTZ AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MY NAME IS PHILIP GRIMALDI.
I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR, UM, THE NEIGHBORS WHO, UH, UH, BUT, UM, THIS, UH, PAPER STREET AS WELL AS, UM,
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I HAVE AUTHORITY FROM THE CURRENT OWNER, UH, C J K R E, WHICH IS AN L L C.UM, I HAD PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED THAT TO THE BOARD, SO I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A BRIEF HISTORY.
UM, BACK IN, AROUND, UH, NOVEMBER OF 2019, UM, AN APPLICATION WAS MADE BY C J K R E.
I THINK THEY, THEY HAD A SLOPE CLEARANCE PERMIT AND, UH, ANOTHER PERMIT REGARDING, YOU KNOW, NO WETLANDS BEING ON THE PROPERTY.
AND THEY WERE TAKING STEPS TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY.
UM, THEY HAD SENT LETTERS TO COMING, EXCUSE ME FOR ONE SECOND.
IT'S AN ECHO COMING OUTTA THAT WAY TO TURN DOWN OR OFF.
JANELLE, CAN YOU HELP US WITH THAT? YOUR MIC'S OFF.
I'M HAVE A QUITE A SLIGHT TECHNICAL PROBLEM.
WE'RE GETTING A DELAY AND THERE'S A, WE GOTTA, UH, YEAH, IF YOU COULD, THANK YOU.
I HEARD IT WHEN WE'RE DOWN THERE TOO, BAR DOWN HERE.
KEEP GOING DOWN UNTIL THE, OKAY.
WE'RE STILL, WE GOOD NOW? YEAH.
SO, SO ANYWAY, BACK IN, UM, IN, IN OCTOBER NOVEMBER, 2019, THE CURRENT OWNER WAS TAKING STEPS TOWARDS DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY.
UM, HE HAD SENT LETTERS TO CERTAIN OF THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS THAT I REPRESENT NOW TO WE, THEIR STRUCTURES THAT ABUTTED INTO HIS, UH, INTO THIS PAPER STREET THAT HE HAD PREVIOUSLY PURCHASED.
UM, AND AT THAT TIME, I, I MOVED BY ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE TO STAY ANY FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY.
AND I SUED PURSUANT TO ARTICLE 15 OF THE REAL PROPERTY ACTIONS AND PROCEEDINGS LAW TO HAVE THE, THE, UH, FOR A DECLARATORY JUDGMENT, BASICALLY, UM, DECLARING THAT THE, THE PROPERTY THAT HE OWNED WAS A PAPER STREET AND THAT THE ABUTTING OWNERS HAD CERTAIN RIGHTS TO THE PROPERTY AND THAT IT COULD NOT BE BUILT UPON.
UM, SO, UH, THE JUDGE SIGNED THE ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE AND HE STAYED EVERYTHING.
AND I MET A, A FEW TIMES WITH, UM, COUNSEL FOR THE OWNER AS WELL AS, UH, TIM LEWIS, WHO AT THE TIME WAS THE GREENBERG TOWN ATTORNEY.
UM, ALSO, YOU RECALL AT THIS TIME WE, WE HAD, UH, COVID.
SO FROM BASICALLY FEBRUARY OF 2020 FOR PROBABLY THE NEXT YEAR, NOTHING, NOTHING HAPPENED, UM, IN COURT.
SO, UH, WE EVENTUALLY AGREED THAT WE WOULD SETTLE THE MATTER BASICALLY, UH, SPLITTING THE, THE PAPER STREET IN HALF.
AND THAT, UH, THE HALF THAT DIRECTLY ABUTTED THE, THE NEIGHBORS, THEY WOULD TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THAT AND THE TOWN WOULD, WOULD TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THE, THE REAR PORTION OF THAT, UH, PROPERTY.
AND WE EXECUTED A STIPULATION THAT I PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD TO THAT EFFECT.
UM, SO, UM, RIGHT NOW THERE, THERE WERE CERTAIN CONDITIONS THAT, UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO, UH, GIVE THE TOWN, UM, ANY EASEMENTS THEY NEEDED, WHICH WE, WE AGREED TO.
UM, ALSO, UM, I BELIEVE THAT, UM, THE, UH, SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO HAD, UH, STRUCTURES IN THE PAPER STREET WOULD, WOULD AGREE TO LEGALIZE THOSE STRUCTURES.
UM, AND THEY PROBABLY HAVE THE ROOM NOW WITH THE, WITH THE LAND THEY'RE GOING TO ACQUIRE TO DO THAT.
UM, AND JUST A COUPLE THINGS THAT I, I WOULD ASK, AND I THINK I MENTIONED THIS THE LAST TIME, THAT, UM, THE, UM, THE TOWN WOULD AGREE TO CLEAN UP IN THE BACK.
THE NEIGHBORS HAVE TOLD ME THAT ON REPEATED OCCASIONS PEOPLE HAVE DUMPED ON THAT PAPER STREET AND THEY JUST, THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THEY WANTED THE WHOLE, UH, PAPER STREET.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE TOWN IS AMENABLE AND, AND THE LAST POINT I WOULD MAKE IT, IT SEEMS KIND OF SILLY, BUT, UM, JUST TO GUARANTEE THAT NO, NO RESIDENTIAL DWELLING WOULD EVER BE BUILT ON THE PORTION THAT THE, THE TOWN IS RETAINING, WHICH I, I THINK WITH THE SETBACK LAWS, IT'S, IT'S A GIVEN ANYWAY, BUT THE, THE NEIGHBORS WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF SOMEHOW WE INCORPORATED THAT INTO THE RESOLUTION.
AND AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE BECAUSE WITH A 26 FOOT WIDE THOUGHT, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYTHING COULD EVER BE BUILT ANYWAY, BUT SO, SO THAT'S BASICALLY IT.
I I, I, I SENT YOU SOME CORRESPONDENCE I HAD WITH, UM, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO DECIDED NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS, AND I THINK HE HAS TO BE, UM, GIVEN THE LINK TONIGHT.
AND I, I DID EXPLAIN EVERYTHING TO HIM IN, IN DETAIL AND I SENT HIM EVERYTHING THAT I HAD SUBMITTED PREVIOUSLY TO THE BOARD AND EVEN SOME OF THE COURT DOCUMENTS.
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IT VERY CLEAR WHAT WAS GOING ON.UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I, I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.
I MEAN, I SUBMITTED MY COVER LETTER AND, UM, ALL THE EXHIBITS THE LAST TIME AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE JUST LIKE TO, TO PUT THIS TO REST, I DON'T THINK IT HAS AN IMPACT ON ANYBODY.
UH, JUST A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORS.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AND THERE COULDN'T BE ANY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BUILDING BACK THERE ANY KIND OF RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES BUILT ON THE REMAINING RUMP THAT, THAT, THAT THE TOWN WILL RETAIN.
UM, AGAIN, WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE ZONING SETBACKS, I DON'T THINK THERE EVER COULD BE, BUT WE WOULD JUST LIKE THAT INCORPORATE INTO THE RESOLUTION.
SO I, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE BOARD WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING.
UM, HOW WIDE IS THE PAPER STREET? THE PAPER STREET IS ROUGHLY 50 FEET WIDE.
UM, AND YOUR CLIENTS ARE GONNA GET 25 FEET OF IT.
IT, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE LESS MR. GO ROUGHLY FIVE, ABOUT 2324 FEET.
AND THE TOWN'S GONNA GET THE REST, TOWN'S GONNA GET THE REST.
WHAT IS THAT TOWN GONNA DO WITH THAT LONG SKINNY STRIP OF STREET? YOU KNOW, I, I, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
IT'S UTILITIES, YOU KNOW, WE HAD WANTED IT ALL, BUT IN, IN SPEAKING WITH MR. LEWIS, HE SAID THE TOWN HAD REQUESTED THAT THEY KEEP A PORTION OF IT.
SO AGAIN, THE WHOLE INTENT, MR. GOLD WAS NOT TO HAVE THE NEIGHBORS OWN EVERYTHING WAS TO STOP ANY RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS FROM GOING IN BACK THERE, ALL U UTILITIES.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY MICHAEL, WHAT THERE'S, THEY CAN GET WHO CARES.
ANY, ANY OTHER GOOD ANOTHER QUESTION, MICHAEL? NO, JUST WHAT I, WALTER, WALTER, GO AHEAD.
I, I ASSUME WITH THIS ADDITIONAL 20 SOMETHING, EIGHT FEET, FEET, FIVE FEET, WHATEVER, IT'S, UH, THE LOT IS STILL COULD NOT BE SUBDIVIDED IN THIS ZONE.
SO THERE WERE A FEW THINGS I WANTED TO ADD.
UM, IT IS A RE SUBDIVISION OF NINE EXISTING TAX LOTS GONNA BE ADDING PROPERTY TO EACH OF THOSE LOTS.
THAT FRONT BEAVER HILL ROAD, UM, WITH THE OUTLIER LOT BEING THE LOT THAT WAS REFERENCED AS TO BE OWNED AND RETAINED BY THE TOWN.
UM, ASIDE FROM BRINGING CERTAIN THINGS INTO CONFORMITY, THERE WILL BE NO PHYSICAL SITE WORK OR CONSTRUCTION ON ANY OF THE LOTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS RE SUBDIVISION.
AND BY ADDING AND EACH LOT IS GONNA GAIN, UM, IT'S ROUGHLY 1,449 SQUARE FEET PER LOT.
MY NEXT QUESTION IS IN REZONING, UH, IS THE REZONING IS, UH, OH NO.
THE RE SUBDIVISION ZONING COMPLIANT? YES.
AND, UM, WHAT, WHAT'S THE SITUATION WITH THE NEIGHBOR WHO'S NOT PARTICIPATING EXACTLY.
WHAT DOES HIS ROLE, WHAT EFFECT DOES HAVE ON THIS? AND SO, SO I BELIEVE THAT INDIVIDUAL MAY BE ON THE ZOOM.
UH, HOWEVER MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UH, THEY WOULD BE LEFT OUT OF, AND, AND THE APPLICANT'S ADDRESSED, UH, THEIR PLAT BY MAKING A REVISION TO DISCLUDE THIS, THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHICH I'M HOVERING OVER WITH MY CURSOR.
AND ANYTHING THAT'S NON-COMPLIANT WITH RESPECT TO ENCROACHMENTS INTO THE AREA THAT WOULD NOW BE RE RETAINED BY THE TOWN WOULD HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT WITH THE TOWN BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE.
THERE WOULD NEED TO BE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT.
THAT, AND I, THERE IS A WALL, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I BELIEVE THERE IS, AND YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TOWN.
DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO LEAVE THE WALL AND THE TOWN TAKE OVER? IT BE, IT MAY BE USEFUL.
SO THOSE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE WITH OUR DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS.
ONCE THESE, UM, INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES START, UM, GET ALL OF THIS EXTRA LAND, THEY THEN START PAYING TAXES ON THIS LAND THAT THEY HAVE BEEN USING ANYWAY.
IS, AM I CORRECT ON THAT? YEAH.
WELL, I I THINK IT WOULD BE RELATIVELY MINOR.
IT'S JUST THE, THE LAND, UM, WOULD, WOULD INCREASE LIKE YOU SAID, BY 1400 SQUARE FEET.
SO WHATEVER THAT REASSESSMENT WOULD BE YEAH.
MEAN THEY'VE BEEN ILLEGAL USING THIS LAND.
SO NOW THEY WOULD START PAYING TAXES ON IT.
WHATEVER, IF THE TOWN WANTS TO REASSESS IT, THAT'S, BUT IT WOULD BE THE LAND PORTION.
YEAH, WELL THEY SHOULD BE REASSESSED THEN.
THEY SHOULD BE PAYING TAXES ON THE LAND THEY'VE BEEN USING ILLEGALLY.
IS THAT IT? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN THE PUBLIC OR ON ZOOM? IF ANYONE ON ZOOM WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK NOW WOULD BE THE TIME
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I'D LIKE TO SPEAK.DO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UM, SHOW YOUR VIDEO? I'M NOT MUTE.
I I DON'T HAVE VIDEO AVAILABLE TO ME.
MY CAMERA'S, MY, YOU CAN HEAR ME? YES.
AND JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR, YOUR PROPERTY ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
UM, AND I'M CALLING WITH REGARDS TO LOT 91.
AND THAT'S THE LOT THAT IS NO LONGER PART OF THE PROJECT.
IS THAT ACCURATE? UM, WHEN YOU SAY PART OF THE PROJECT, UM, WHY WOULD YOU REDRAW THESE LINES? BECAUSE I'M NOT PART OF THE LEGAL GROUP.
WHY WOULD, WHY WOULD THIS? I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
YOU'D HAVE TO REDRAW EXACTLY THE RAMIFICATIONS, HASSLE.
'CAUSE THE ORIGINAL WINES ACTUALLY HAD HAD, UM, CONVEYED PROPERTY TO YOU.
SO AS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION.
SO IF YOU DECIDED NOT TO BE PART OF THE GROUP, THAT PROPERTY IS NOT GONNA BE CONVEYED TO YOU.
I GUESS THAT'S GONNA BE TOWN PROPERTY, CORRECT? RIGHT.
UM, AND THEREFORE THEY HAD TO RED DRAW THE LINES TO BE ACCURATE.
UM, IT WASN'T REALLY WELL DESCRIBED TO ME.
AND WHEN THE NEIGHBOR, THE PARTICULAR NEIGHBOR APPROACHED ME ABOUT IT, UM, THEY WERE TELLING ME ABOUT COSTS THAT I WOULD INCUR, UM, BECAUSE OF THE EXTENSIONS OF THEIR PROPERTIES.
AND THAT WAS VERY OFF-PUTTING.
AND I NEVER REALLY GOT A GOOD, UM, A GOOD STANDING OF WHAT THIS WAS ALL ABOUT, WAS ALL ABOUT, UM, THE ATTORNEY, UH, THAT IS THERE.
PHILLIP GRIMALDI HAD SENT ME AN EMAIL AT SOME POINT.
I DIDN'T RECEIVE AN EMAIL OR ANYTHING.
UM, AND HE SAYS I DIDN'T, I WASN'T AVAILABLE FOR CALLS.
I, I DIDN'T SPEAK TO HIM ABOUT THIS.
NOW THAT I'M LOOKING AT THIS, AND I UNDERSTAND THIS, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO, AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE, BY THE WAY, UM, THAT PROPERTY, MY PROPERTY, UM, WHATEVER HAPPENED WITH THAT FENCE? YEAH, I GUESS THAT'S BEFORE MY TIME BECAUSE THAT'S THE, THE PERIMETER LINE WAS ALL THERE BEFORE I TOOK OVER THAT PROPERTY.
SO YEAH, I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THAT MM-HMM.
WELL, THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD GET A LEGAL AT THIS POINT IS YOU'D HAVE TO FILE A SUBDIVISION APP.
FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE TOWN AND ACQUIRE THE LAND FROM THE TOWN, AND THEN, UH, YOU WOULD HAVE TO, UH, FILE A SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.
I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO THE OTHER APPLICANTS AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR AN AWFUL LONG TIME TO NOW MAKE THEM GO BACK AND ADD YOU BACK INTO THIS AND DO COME BACK AGAIN.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE WRONG THING TO DO.
THERE'S THERE, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE NOW, AND, UM, THEY HAVE INCLUDED YOU.
THEY, I BELIEVE THEY TRIED CONTACTING YOU.
I, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU DON'T LIVE THERE.
IS THAT CORRECT? I DON'T LIVE THERE CURRENTLY, SIR.
I, I SUSPECT NOTICE HAD TO HAVE GONE OUT OF THE, OF THE HEARING AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO YOUR, UH, TAX, I RECEIVED THE HEARING NOTICE IN THE MAIL.
THAT'S THE ONLY MAIL I'VE EVER RECEIVED ABOUT THIS.
YOU KNOW, UM, I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE ANY.
I, I, YOU KNOW, UH, MR. SCHWARTZ, NOT TO INTERRUPT, BUT I SENT, AND I GAVE TO MR. SCHMIDT AND I INCLUDED IT WITH THE NOTICES I SENT OUT THE EMAILS I SENT HIM OVER FOUR MONTHS AGO.
AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT I TRIED TO CALL HIM AT LEAST FIVE OR SIX TIMES IN ADDITION TO THAT.
AND MR. UH, MR. REESE HERE ALSO TRIED TO CALL HIM ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE.
AND WHEN I SPOKE TO HIM THE OTHER DAY ABOUT THIS, UM, HE, HE, HE JUST, I, I TRIED TO EXPLAIN IT TO HIM AGAIN, BUT HE JUST WASN'T RECEPTIVE TO IT.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, SIR.
AT THIS POINT, IT, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE FOR US TO RE RE REDO THIS.
AND I, AND I SUBMITTED THE PROOF I SENT YOU THE, THE EMAILS THAT I SENT TO HIM, AND THIS IS OVER FOUR MONTHS AGO.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS IN OUR INTEREST TO INCLUDE HIM BECAUSE AS I EXPLAINED TO MR. SCHMIDT, I WAS HANDLING A MUTINY BECAUSE THE NEIGHBOR SAID, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? IF YOU DON'T DO THIS QUICKLY, WE DON'T WANNA BE A PART OF THIS ANYMORE.
AND THE HOLDUP WAS, WAS MR. POLL BASICALLY.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU AT THIS, AT THIS POINT.
I I, AT THIS POINT, I, I HAVE A COMMENT.
THERE'S A LOT OF IMPLIED STUFF HERE.
I'M AN I'M THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE.
HOLD ON, HANG ON FOR A SECOND.
LOOK, I, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THIS, UH, I'M LOOKING AT THIS SUBDIVISION AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT LOT, LOT 91, WHICH IS MR. POLE'S LOT
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YES.BEFORE THIS SUBDIVISION HAS THE MOST SQUARE FOOTAGE OF ALL THE LOTS.
IS THAT CORRECT ABOUT THAT? MM-HMM.
AND IF YOU CONSIDER THE CONCRETE WALL, YOU KNOW, UM, IF, IF HE DID PARTICIPATE MM-HMM.
IT'S A LITTLE LESS THAN 500 SQUARE FEET.
I HAD THE EXACT EXACT, I THINK IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY LESS, MAYBE 400 SQUARE FEET.
COMPARED TO ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS ARE GONNA GET ABOUT 1500 SQUARE FEET.
SO, FRANKLY, AND I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, AND MAYBE MR. POLL IS LISTENING.
I DON'T BLAME HIM FOR OPTING OUT OF THE GROUP BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE ALL THAT MUCH TO GAIN BY OPTING, OPTING IN.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S MY OBSERVATION.
AND, AND, AND, AND, AND MAYBE I SHOULDN'T HAVE MADE IT BECAUSE MY NEXT COMMENT IS THE BOARD SHOULDN'T GET INVOLVED IN THESE DISPUTES BETWEEN ATTORNEYS AND THE APPLICANTS AND THE GROUPS.
IT'S FRANKLY, NONE OF OUR BUSINESS.
MICHAEL, I COULDN'T AGREE MORE, BUT THAT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAY AT THIS POINT.
THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE IS TO GO AHEAD WITH THE PROCESS THAT'S BEFORE US.
AND IF MR. POLL WANTS TO TAKE THIS UP WITH THE TOWN AT A LATER DATE, THAT WOULD BE THE WAY TO DO IT.
AND SEE IF HE CAN GET THE LID CONVEYED BY THE TOWN TO HIM AND THEN COME IN WITH A SUBDIVISION SEPARATELY AT HIS OWN EXPENSE.
WOULD BE THE WAY TO HANDLE IT AT THIS POINT.
UM, THERE'S NO OTHER THING TO TALK, TALK ABOUT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, BUT ON THIS MATTER.
UM, THERE WAS JUST ONE MORE THING.
MR. SCHWARTZ HAD NEGLECTED, UM, THE OWNERS OF 34 BEAVER HILL, THEY WERE CONCERNED BECAUSE THEY WOULD OWN, UM, THE DRAINAGE.
UH, UH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A DRAIN THERE.
AND, UM, AGAIN, THEY JUST WANTED TO HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT AND, AND, AND POSSIBLY THE ABILITY TO MOVE THEIR RETAINING WALL, UH, DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE.
UM, SO IT LOOKS, WHICH LOT IS IT? THAT'S 34.
THAT'S THE ONE RIGHT NEXT TO POLES THERE.
SO THE EXISTING DRAINAGE LINE, UM, WHICH OFF OF BEAVER HILL ROAD COMES ACROSS LOT 93.
SO IT ACTUALLY TRAVERSES THROUGH TWO LOTS.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY INTO THIS MANHOLE IN THE, IT'S NOT NEW CONSTRUCTION.
IT'S, BUT THERE'S ACTUAL DRAIN ON ON THE BACK OF WALLACE'S.
THAT, THAT, THAT LITTLE SQUARE YOU GOTTA GO.
AND THEN THERE'S THIS ONE, THIS ONE THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE THAT I TOOK A PICTURE OF AND IT'S ALL CLOGGED AND EVERYTHING.
'CAUSE HE SAYS, WELL, WHAT IF IT'S CLOGGED? NOW I OWN THAT PROPERTY.
AM I GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? OKAY.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WANNA HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENT.
I GUESS THAT COULD BE PART OF THE EASEMENT THAT WE, IT, IT WOULD BE PART OF THE EASEMENT.
SO THE REASON FOR THE EASEMENT FINE IS TO GIVE THAT GIVE THE TOWN ACCESS.
SO TO MAINTAIN TO MAINTAIN IT.
SO YOU WOULD INFORM THE TOWN AND, UH, AMANDA, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE A PROBLEM, IS IT? NO.
I MEAN, I COULD DO AN EASEMENT OR, OR A COUNCIL COULD SEND ME WHAT THE TOWN PREFERS.
WE, WE UNDER, WE UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE AND IT SHOULD BE EASY, EASILY.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AT THIS POINT OF THE BOARD? NO.
UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO, I, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SAY SINCE AS THE LAST RESORT, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY I DON'T HAVE MUCH RECOURSE HERE.
PAUL, I, I, I WAS APPROACHED BY A NEIGHBOR ABOUT THIS.
AND THE FACT THAT THEY HAD A HARD TIME REACHING ME, I UNDERSTAND, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
BUT I WOULD JUST SIMPLY SAY IT IS THAT HOW THE NEIGHBOR PUT IT, THEY WERE EXTENDING THEIR LOTS AT MY EXPENSE AND THEY, AND HE SUGGESTED I WOULD BE MR. MR EXTRA COST IN THIS PROCESS.
MR. MR. AND THAT'S WHY I, I OPTED OUT.
SO I FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN BULLIED AND ADDED THIS.
AGAIN, WHAT MICHAEL SAID WAS THAT MR. GOLD SAID IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
AND WE GAVE YOU, I, I JUST WANNA THAT FOR THE RECORD, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN'T HAVE THAT ARGUMENT HERE.
UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND WE GAVE YOU THE SOLUTION TO IT.
UH, IF YOU REALLY DO WANT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, IF NOT, NOT, DON'T.
BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT RELATED TO THE APPLICATION BEFORE US RIGHT NOW.
I WILL TAKE A MOTION THEN TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN FOR HOW LONG? OCTOBER 26TH.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? SECOND.
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TOM ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.AND WE'LL MAKE THE DECISION WILL BE AT THE, AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? GO BACK INTO WORK SESSION PLEASE.
I, WHO DID I HEAR? I THINK THAT WAS WALTER AND WALTER.
WALTER, CAN I HAVE A SECOND THEN? SECOND.
ALL OPPOSED? OKAY, WE'RE GOING BACK INTO WORK SESSION.
UM, WE CAN DO THEM SEPARATELY, BUT A LOT OF THE ISSUES ARE GONNA BE BOTH.
SO MAYBE SHOULD PRESENT BOTH OF THEM.
YOU THINK? UH, UH, I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO THE DOOR.
WHAT DO YOU THINK? UH, THE SAME PROJECT, JUST THE DIFFERENT LOCATION.
SO WE'LL HAVE 'EM GO THROUGH THE LOCATION SEPARATELY, BUT THE ISSUES THAT I THINK MAY COME UP ARE, ARE PROBABLY THE SAME.
SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE 'EM BOTH AT THE SAME TIME AND HAVE 'EM PRESENT BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
I MEAN, BASICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH RESPECT TO THE MINUTES IN THE PAST WHEN WE HAVE SIMILAR APPLICATIONS LIKE THIS IS THAT ALTHOUGH THE DISCUSSION WILL BE TAKING PLACE UNDER ONE OF THE HEADINGS, THE OTHER HEADING WOULD JUST MAKE REFERENCE TO THE FACT THAT THIS MATTER WAS DISCUSSED UNDER ITEM, YOU KNOW, SIX A OF THE AGENDA.
SO WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST.
IT JUST MAKES, IT MAKES FOR MORE EFFICIENCY BECAUSE THE ISSUES ARE, THE OUTSTANDING ISSUES WITH THIS ARE IDENTICAL ON, ON THIS PROJECT.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE SAME SIZE INSTALLATION.
THE ONE THING WE SHOULD ASK, I BELIEVE THAT YOU ASKED ME THE OTHER DAY, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE SHOPPING CENTERS ALREADY HAS, UM, SOLAR, SOLAR PANELS AND, BUT THE OTHER ONE DOES MIDWAY DOES MIDWAY DOES IN GREENVILLE DOESN'T.
BUT WE NEED, WE SHOULD ASK WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE INTERESTED IN DOING, BECAUSE I THINK WE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING THAT.
YEAH, I THINK WE DID THAT ALREADY THEN.
WELL, WE'LL TALK, WE TALKED ABOUT IT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE BEST FOR MIDWAY.
DID THEY HAVE SOLAR? BUT THEY ALREADY HAD IT THERE.
YEAH, IT WAS LIKE COMMUNITY SOLAR, GREENVILLE.
I THINK IT WAS COMMUNITY SOLAR.
UM, GREENVILLE DIDN'T YET, I THINK, BUT I WANT TO ASK, BUT IF I RECALL IT CORRECTLY, NEITHER ONE WOULD TIE INTO THE BATTERY STORAGE SYSTEM.
IT WAS ALREADY ALLOCATED ELSEWHERE, WHICH IS TOO BAD.
I'VE SENT A NOTE VIA CHAT OKAY.
TO THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE THEN.
SO HOPEFULLY HE'LL BE ON SHORTLY.
WHILE WE'RE WAITING ONE OF, BEFORE WE DO THAT, BEFORE WE GO INTO THIS, WE'LL GIVE IT ANOTHER MINUTE OR TWO.
UM, JUST ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING UP TONIGHT.
ANYWAY, VERY QUICKLY, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CODIFY WHAT OUR, WHAT HAS BEEN OUR POLICY IN TERMS OF, UH, 50 YEAR STORMS. SO I WOULD LIKE, UH, A VOTE ON A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD TO MODIFY WHATEVER PART OF THE CODE THAT IS CHAPTER 2 48.
TO, TO UPDATE IT FROM A 25 TO 50 YEAR STORM.
DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND, JOHAN.
MONA, ARE YOU VOTING FOR IT OR ARE YOU JUST STICKING YOUR TONGUE OUT? WHICH I'M JUST STICKING MY TONGUE OUT.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL GET THAT MOTION OUT.
UH, AARON IS ALSO DRAFTING FOR DO WE NEED PEOPLE TO REVIEW WHAT WE VOTED ON THE LAST TIME WE IT WAS TRANSMITTED? WE TRANSMITTED A RECOMMENDATION, OUR RECOMMENDATION ON THE RULES TO, TO THE, UH, TO CODIFY RULES, ATTENDANCE RULES.
THE ATTENDANCE RULES BY ZOOM TO CODIFY THAT TOO.
MONA, BEFORE WE WE'RE GONNA START, WELL WE, WHILE WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO FIX THINGS, CAN WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT HARKING? YEAH.
I THINK THAT TAKES A, I THINK WE SHOULD, 'CAUSE WE WE'RE GRANTING MANY TOO MANY WAIVERS.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE JUST NEED TO TAKE A LITTLE MORE, MORE IN DEPTH LOOK AS TO WHAT WE WANT TO SAY.
UM, FRANKLY, WE COULD GET SOME, WE NEED SOME INFORMATION AS TO WHAT'S GOING ON WITH, UH, THE INDUSTRY STANDARDS THERE.
BUT, BUT ALLEN DIDN'T, DIDN'T, DIDN'T WE RECOMMEND TO THE TOWN THAT THEY REVISED THEIR PARKING STANDARDS LIKE FIVE YEARS AGO? THE PLANNING BOARD HAS YEAH.
WELL WE CAN UPDATE, UPDATE THAT RECOMMENDATION, BUT IF WE PROVIDE SPECIFICS, IT WOULD BE EASIER.
WE'RE ALWAYS DOING WAGES FOR THEM.
IT SEEMS TO ME IT MAY MAKE SENSE.
WE CAN GET SOME INFORMATION FROM JOHN CANON.
WE, AND MAYBE PUT TOGETHER MORE DETAILED MEMO AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S THE BEGINNING TO GET USED TO IT.
'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT A LOT LATELY.
AND I, I THINK IT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO
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IT FOR US TO DO IT RATHER THAN JUST SIT HERE AND SAY, WELL, THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING.JUST PUT THE THING IN FRONT OF THEM.
IF I HAVE TO GO IN FRONT OF THEM, I WILL.
BUT, AND SAY THESE ARE RECOMMENDATION.
WE GET INPUT FROM, UH, AND THEY, THESE THEY SHOULD BE NO-BRAINER.
BOTH OF, AND IT WOULD MAKE OUR JOB EASIER.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO SO MANY WAIVERS.
AARON HAS, HAS THE TOWN BOARD ADOPTED ANY OF OUR SUGGESTIONS? OH, LOTS OF THEM ACTUALLY.
IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO ME TO GET SOME INPUT ON WHAT THEY ACTUALLY DO ABOUT THAT.
WELL THEY ADOPTED BOTH OF OUR COMMITTEES.
IT TOOK LONGER THAN WE LIKED, BUT WE GOT BOTH OF OUR COMMITTEES APPROVED.
UM, THE BEST THING THING WAS CAME OUTTA THIS COMMITTEE AND, AND THE NEW LAW ACTUALLY STARTED IN THIS COMMITTEE.
THE C C F CHANGE CAME OUT OF THIS COMMITTEE, EXPANDED IT TO ANOTHER COMMITTEE AND DID THAT.
SO THEY'VE BEEN RESPONSIVE TO IT.
THEY'VE GOT A AGENDA AND OF THEIR OWN.
SO, BUT, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IT AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, IN ONE CASE, HELP THE FLOODING ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR TOWN, WHICH ARE GETTING WORSE BECAUSE OF GLOBAL WARMING.
AND, AND TWO, THIS, THE, THE PARKING WAIVER HELPS BUSINESS.
IT, IT ACTUALLY ALLOWS US TO SPEED UP SOME OF THESE APPLICATIONS, WHICH YOU'VE BEEN PRETTY FAST AT DOING ANYWAY.
BUT WE ALREADY, BY THE WAY, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID DO IS WE GOT THE PARKING ORDINANCE CHANGED A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
WE WROTE, WE WROTE THE, UH, SHARED PARKING.
SHARED PARKING THAT WAS ALSO CAME OUT OF THIS BOARD.
SO WE'VE HAD A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE COME OUT OF THIS BOARD THAT THE TOM BOARD HAS APPROVED.
THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T IGNORE US.
IT JUST, SOMETIMES IT TAKES LONGER THAN WE'D LIKE IT TO TAKE.
ANY RESPONSE? THE OTHER AARON, I, I, I SEE.
MONA DID YOU, I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING I THINK IT WOULD CLEAR OUR AGENDA AND MOVE THINGS FASTER IF WE COULD JUST CHANGE.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE THAT ISSUE IN PARKING WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, SHOPPING CENTERS.
WE ALSO HAVE THAT, LIKE REMEMBER WE DID THAT HAD, UH, MR. STEINS DO THE ANALYSIS ON THE STORAGE FACILITIES, WHICH WERE OVER PARKED.
AND WE'VE BEEN GRANTING PARKING WAIVERS THERE TOO.
SO THERE, THERE ARE CERTAIN PLACES WE'VE BEEN GRANTING THEM, UM, AND A LOT.
SO WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO CODIFY THAT STUFF RATHER THAN US BEING DOING IT ON, ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
IT DEFINITELY WOULD MAKE THINGS MORE EFFICIENT.
WELL, AND FOR APPLICANTS THAT HAVE TO COME IN FOR A FIVE SPACE REDUCTION, YOU KNOW, AND SPEND THREE MONTHS GETTING THROUGH THE PROCESS, IF IT'S REALLY NOT PARTICULARLY, I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.
WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THE ONE WE JUST APPROVED, I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE GONNA BE MORE CARS PARKED THERE THAN THERE WERE FOR THE PET STORE.
PEOPLE SPEND MORE TIME IN THE PET STORE THAN THERE WOULD GETTING A COURSE ON AND COFFEE.
'CAUSE THEY'RE TAKEN THAT OUT A LOT OF THE TIME.
SO IT'S, IT, IT'S PROBABLY NOT THAT MUCH DIFFERENT.
AND WE NEED TO, WE, WE, WE WANNA DO THE RIGHT THING ENVIRONMENTALLY AND WE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, TIME, WE ALSO WANT TO BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY.
IT'S A BALANCING ACT, BUT WE CAN DO IT.
AND WE'VE BEEN EFFECTIVE AT DOING IT, BUT IT'S EASIER IF IT'S IN THE LAW RATHER THAN US HAVING TO DO IT IN THE CASE CASE.
AND I THINK AMANDA WILL TELL YOU IT'S EASIER FROM A LEGAL POINT OF VIEW FOR IT TO BE CODIFIED.
RATHER THAN US DOING IT THAT WAY.
LET'S MOVE ON TO, UM, JUST SAYING THAT.
UH, EO, MR EO, YOU WITH US? WE CAN, UH, UNMUTE YOUR MIC PLEASE.
WE, WE HAVE, UH, STILL MUTE IT.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE IN A STAIRWELL THERE.
I HOPE THAT'S NOT WHERE YOU ARE.
BUT, UH, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE BACKGROUND.
UM, WE HAVE, YOU HAVE TWO CASES BEFORE US TONIGHT.
UM, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS TAKE THEM TOGETHER BECAUSE A LOT OF THE ISSUES FOR THE TWO OF THEM ARE THE SAME.
I DO WANT YOU TO GO THROUGH, LET ME ANNOUNCE THE CASES.
IT'S CASE PB 2132, WHICH IS MIDWAY SHOPPING CENTER FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A BEST FACILITY.
AND THE GO THROUGH THE DESCRIPTION OF THAT, IT IS CASE 2133 BEST BEING A BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY.
AND, UH, CASE PB 2133 FOR THE INSTALLATION OF AN IDENTICAL FACILITY AT THE GREENVILLE SHOPPING CENTER.
THE ISSUE IS, IS OBVIOUSLY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO IS THE PLACEMENT.
WE'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE, WE'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IS THIS APPLICATION? SINCE THE BEGINNING OF LAST YEAR.
UM, SINCE WE'VE, ABOUT THE BEGINNING OF LAST YEAR, YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH OUR CONSULTANT AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE OBVIOUSLY REWRITTEN THE LAW SINCE YOU STARTED THINKING ABOUT THIS TO BE, UH, WE THINK EFFECTIVE AND FAIR.
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OKAY.THAT'S WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO.
AND YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANT 'CAUSE THIS ISN'T NEW TECHNOLOGY FOR US.
AND YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANT FOR SEVERAL MONTHS NOW TO TRY TO COME UP WITH THE BEST SOLUTION, UH, FOR THESE PARTICULAR TWO APPLICATIONS.
UM, AARON, HOW DO YOU WANT, WANT TO DO THIS? SO HAVE HIM PRESENT? YEAH, I CAN GIVE A QUICK UPDATE TO THE BOARD SURE.
IF YOU'D LIKE, JUST ON HOW THINGS HAVE BEEN PROCEEDING.
THEN WE CAN TURN THINGS OVER TO MR. DELLY AND MR. STAI ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, JUST TO GIVE THEIR TECHNICAL UPDATE.
UH, ON EACH OF THE TWO APPLICATIONS, WE HAVE ENABLED THE SHARE SCREENS, SO I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THE SCREEN MACIA OR MR. DELLY OR YOU CAN, UH, WHATEVER YOUR PREFERENCE IS.
BUT THE UPDATE ON THE TOWN STANDPOINT IS THAT AS CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ INDICATED, THE APPLICANT'S BEEN WORKING WITH THE TOWN'S OUTSIDE CONSULTANT ON THIS PROJECT LABEL ASSOCIATES.
UH, SPECIFICALLY ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.
UM, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE FIRE HAZARD ANALYSIS.
AND THERE WAS A REPORT DONE BY MR. STOPPY THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO, UH, THE CONSULTANT AND IT WAS REVIEWED.
THERE WERE SOME INITIAL COMMENTS ABOUT IT.
UH, THE LAYOUT OF EACH OF THE TWO SYSTEMS HAS CHANGED.
INITIALLY, THEY, THE CABINETS WERE GONNA BE SITUATED WITHIN CHAIN LINK FENCED IN AREAS WITH A ROLLING GATE.
UH, NOW BASED ON THE FIRE HAZARD ANALYSIS, THERE WILL BE CONCRETE FIREWALLS, FOUR HOUR RATED FIREWALLS SURROUNDING, UM, THE CABINETS.
AND WE CAN HAVE THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THOSE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF FROM A, WHAT YOU SEE OUT IN THE FIELD CHANGE IN TERMS OF DESIGN.
THAT'S THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE IN THE DESIGN.
UH, THERE WERE A FEW MINOR COMMENTS THAT CAME IN FROM THE CONSULTANT ON THIS FIRE HAZARD ANALYSIS.
THEY WERE ADEQUATELY RESPONDED TO AND ADDRESSED BY MR. STOPPY AND MR. LARKIN OF LABELLA IS FULLY SATISFIED THAT THE PROJECTS AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED MEET THE TOWN CODE REQUIREMENTS, UH, OF OUR, OF OUR ORDINANCE.
WE DID ALSO RECENTLY, UH, THIS MONDAY HAVE A MEETING WITH THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT.
OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE THE DISTRICT THAT WOULD BE RESPONDING TO ANY EMERGENCIES AT EITHER OF THE SITES.
WE'VE SINCE SENT THEM THE UPDATED PLANS.
WE'VE SENT THEM THE FIRE HAZARD ANALYSIS REPORT THAT WAS DONE.
WE EXPECT WRITTEN COMMENTS TO COME IN.
THEY WERE A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD SOME QUESTIONS AT THE MEETING ON MONDAY.
THEY'D ONLY GOTTEN THE PLANS THE PAST FRIDAY, SO THEY HAD THE WEEKEND TO LOOK AT THEM.
WE WANTED TO GIVE THEM AMPLE TIME TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW AND DIGEST THE REPORT AND, AND PUT TOGETHER ANY COMMENTS THAT THEY HAVE IN WRITING FOR THE APPLICANT TO RESPOND TO.
WE EXPECT THOSE TO BE FORTHCOMING SOON.
UH, FIR FIRST AND FOREMOST FROM THE FIRE CHIEF HIMSELF, HIS PRIMARY POINT OR REQUEST WAS THAT THERE BE SUFFICIENT TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT'S TEAM IN THE EVENT OF EMER AN EMERGENCY.
SO THAT, UH, SOMEONE'S NOT ONLY AVAILABLE BY PHONE, BUT ALSO ON SITE TO HELP ASSIST THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN RESPONDING TO AN EMERGENCY SITUATION.
SO, AND THAT HAS INITIALLY WASN'T FULLY DEVELOPED, IT'S IN PROCESS.
THERE HAS BEEN MORE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
AND, UH, ACCORDING TO OUR CONSULTANT, THAT WILL BE FURTHERED AS THE, AS THE APPLICATION MOVES FORWARD WITH THE PLANNING BOARD AS EACH OF THE TWO APPLICATIONS.
ONE OTHER ISSUE THAT I THINK WE ADDRESSED EARLIER, I JUST WANT TO REINFORCE, UH, IT WAS AN ISSUE THAT THE FIRE CHIEF HAD BROUGHT UP THE FIRST TIME WAS IF THESE DO CATCH FIRE, UM, THERE IS AN EXPENSE FOR BABYSITTING THE FIRE.
BECAUSE HIS FIRES DON'T GO OUT OVERNIGHT.
THEY CAN BURN FOR TWO OR THREE DAYS.
AND AS I RECALL, THE APPLICANT AGREED TO TO FOOT THE EXPENSE OF THE BABYSITTING.
IS THAT CORRECT, MR. ULA? YOU NODDING YOUR HEAD, COULD YOU SAY IT? YES, YES.
AND THAT WAS REITERATED, SO I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT.
SO I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO MR. ULAI AND MR. STOPPY.
UM, DO YOU NEED ME TO SHARE THE PLANS OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE PREPARED TO DO? YES, PLEASE.
DO YOU WANNA START WITH GREENVILLE AND THEN WE'LL TRANSITION TO MIDWAY? UH, UH, I MEAN, I THINK THE, THE KEY HERE IS FOR ME TO JUST, UH, FOR ME TO GIVE YOU, UH, UH, REALLY A HIGH LEVEL, UH, PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT WE, UH, ARE DOING NOW RELATIVE TO THE PREVIOUS, UH, VERSION.
UH, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THE DETAILS ON THE PLANS, UH, BUT I JUST WANT TO, UH, REALLY, UH, BRING MORE CLARITY TO THE THOUGHT PROCESS.
AND THEN I'LL HAND IT OVER TO OUR
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FIRE PROTECTION ENGINEER, JOHNYOU CAN, UH, DIVE INTO MORE TECHNICAL ASPECTS, BUT CERTAINLY, UH, IT'S, UH, WELCOME TO HAVE THE, THE FANS HERE.
SO FIRST OF ALL, UH, GOOD EVENING TO THE DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF THE WAR BOARD AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING OUR APPLICATION.
SO YES, INDEED, IT'S BEEN A, A LITTLE BIT OF A WHILE WE'VE BEEN, UH, WORKING ON THIS, BUT AS EVERYONE AGREES, IT'S A NEW TECHNOLOGY AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO TAKE OUR TIME TO COME UP WITH, UH, A SOLUTION THAT IS GOING TO BE, UH, SAFE, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, WE, WE HAD TO FIND THE RIGHT TEAM MEMBER HERE, JOHN
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, TO FIND THE RIGHT PERSON WHO CAN THEN DO ALL THE ANALYSIS AND COME UP WITH RECOMMENDATION IS NOT SOMETHING THAT, UH, COULD HAVE DONE IN, IN, IN A VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO NOW I THINK WE HAVE, UH, THE RIGHT TEAM WITH, UH, ALL THE ANALYSIS DONE.
I THINK WE ARE, UH, PRETTY, UH, UH, READY TO ADDRESS ANY OF YOUR COMMENTS OR CONCERNS.
SO, UH, YES, AS, UH, AS THE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, AARON WAS POINTING OUT, WE HAVE, UH, BEEN PROPOSING, UH, A CONCRETE BARRIER AROUND THE INSTALLATION, WHICH I THINK IS GOING TO GET REALLY ALL THE MAJOR CONCERNS, UH, TO BED.
AND, UH, WE WILL WALK, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, JOHN WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THIS IN A, IN A SECOND.
UM, A COUPLE OF OTHER POINTS I WANTED TO BRING UP.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT MARRIED NECESSARILY TO THIS SPECIFIC LOCATION FOR EACH OF THE TWO SITES.
UH, I THINK THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING IS FOR US TO, UH, EXPLAIN THE CONCEPT AND HAVE A MEETING OF THE MINDS WITH, UH, WITH THE BOARD.
AND IF THE BOARD LIKES OUR APPROACH, AND IF YOU, IF EVERYONE LIKES THIS LOCATION, WE CAN WORK ON, ON THIS LOCATION OR WE CAN, UH, UH, ALTER IT, UH, BASED ON WHATEVER OTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, OBSERVATIONS OR COMMENTS ARE MADE AT THIS.
UH, AT THIS POINT, THESE TWO PROPOSED LOCATIONS SEEM TO BE, UH, MEETING CODE.
SO I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY A GOOD, UH, UH, FIRST STEP.
BUT WE CAN
UH, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DONE SO FAR BECAUSE WE WERE JUST NOT SURE IF, UH, THE BOARD WAS RECEPTIVE TO A FULL APPROVAL.
BUT IF WE, IF WE FEEL THAT THIS, UH, THIS IS, UH, UH, CAN GET APPROVED, THEN, UH, BASED ON YOUR SIGNAL, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH THE, UH, THE SENIOR PEOPLE AT THE FIRE DISTRICT AND JUST COME UP WITH A, A PLAN THAT WILL BE, UH, GIVING, GIVING THEM ALL THE LEVEL OF COMFORT THAT THEY ARE SEEKING.
UM, AND, UH, YEAH, SO ALL THAT PART THAT WAS RAISED PREVIOUSLY, UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE AHEAD OF US AND THAT WE WILL BE DELIGHTED TO, UH, TO RESOLVE.
NOW THAT I HAVE, UH, PRETTY MUCH FINISHED MY PART, UM, I'LL BE HAPPY TO PASS ON, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, TO, TO JOHN AND, UH, PERHAPS THE BOARD, UH, MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT, WHICH EITHER MYSELF OR JOHN WOULD BE HAPPY TO, TO, TO RESPOND SPAWN.
GO AHEAD AND ASK MR. GO AHEAD.
YOUR, SO I'M OKAY WITH THE DESIGN OVERALL UNDER THE STEPS TO BE TAKEN IF SMOKE IS DETECTED, SMOKE IS ALWAYS THE FIRST SIGN OF THERMAL MOLD, UH, RUNAWAY.
AND AT THAT POINT, THE SMOKE, WHICH IS, UH, GAS IS FLAMMABLE AND IGNITE AT ANY TIME.
THERE'S A PRECURSOR TO SMOKE, WHICH IS USUALLY AN OVERHEATING.
ARE THERE, UH, HEAT SENSORS THAT WOULD GIVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE PREEMPTIVE RATHER THAN RESPONDING TO THE SMOKE, WHICH IS ALREADY FLAMMABLE? THAT WOULD BE SO MANY SENSORS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF WE
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WILL FIT EVERYTHING ON THE, ON ONE PAGE, UH, BETWEEN INFRARED CAMERAS, SENSORS, GAS, HYDROGEN, I MEAN, EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, JUST, WE CAN WRITE THE LIST, UH, BASED ON THEI HAVE ONE OTHER, ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU.
WHEN WE HAD A CHAIN LINK FENCE, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GONNA USE A LOT OF WATER TO KEEP THE THING COOL, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT THE WATER IS USED FOR, TO KEEP THE THING FROM EXPLODING.
UH, JOHN, MAYBE IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO, TO STEP IN HERE AND JUST, UH, OKAY.
ADDRESS ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT'S ON MY, MY QUESTION.
I, I BELIEVE THAT'S HOW YOU FIGHT THESE FIRES WITH THOUSANDS OF GALLONS OF WATER, RIGHT? IS THAT JOHN? IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH.
I'M THE FIRE PROTECTION ENGINEER.
CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME OKAY? YEAH.
THANKS FOR INVITING ME TO THE MEETING TONIGHT.
UM, YES, UH, PARA PARADOXICALLY, UM, THE DESIGN OF THESE MEGA PACKS IS ACTUALLY DESIGNED WITH INTRINSIC, UM, THERMAL INSULATION AND FLAME ARRESTERS AND, UH, VENTS AND A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS THAT IF YOU APPLIED WATER TO THEM AFTER, UM, THE THERMAL RUNAWAY EVENT WOULD ACTUALLY BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE, UH, UNITS.
AND THE FIRE ITSELF, SO THE FIRE APPROACH HERE IS TO STAND BACK AND BASICALLY OBSERVE AND DEFEND ANY EXPOSURE FIRES THAT WOULD BE ANYTHING ELSE IGNITE IGNITED BY THE MEGAPACK FIRES THEMSELVES, UM, WHICH IS ONE RISK THAT WE'VE MITIGATED BY, UM, PROPOSING THE, THE 10 FOOT HIGH FIREWALL, THAT, THAT WOULD DRASTICALLY REDUCE OR COMPLETELY PREVENT THAT POSSIBILITY ENTIRELY.
UM, AND THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY AT DETECTING, UM, A THERMAL RUNAWAY EVENT WOULD BE AN IR CAMERA.
IT WOULDN'T BE ANY GAS SENSORS OR HEAT SENSORS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THE ENCLOSURE, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS WITHIN THE ATMOSPHERE.
BUT AN IR DETECTOR OR SIMILAR TECHNOLOGY IS SHOWN TO BE EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE AT, I THINK, UH, DURING THE TESTING.
WITHIN SEVEN MINUTES OF THE FIRE INITIATION, THE, UM, IR CAMERA WAS ABLE TO DETECT AN ALARM.
SO WE ALSO DETERMINED THAT ALL THE HYDRANTS AROUND THIS FACILITY WERE CAPABLE OF PROVIDING THE FIREFIGHTERS WITH ENOUGH WATER TO, UM, DEFEND ANYTHING AROUND THE STRUCTURE SHOULD THEY NEED TO, BUT THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BECAUSE THERE'S THAT FOUR HOUR WALL.
UM, ENCLOSING THE ENTIRE INSTALLATION, WE CHOSE A FOUR FOUR HOUR WALL BECAUSE AN ARRAY OF ONE OF THESE, UM, EIGHT UNITS, UM, BURNS OUT IN ABOUT THREE AND A HALF HOURS.
SO THE FOUR HOUR WALL WOULD PROVIDE MORE THAN ADEQUATE PROTECTION DURING THAT ENTIRE FIRE EVENT.
UM, IS THERE, DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? SO, SO THERE'S NO WATER THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING OVER THE WALL INTO THE ENCLOSURE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
NOW, THE O OTHER QUESTION IS IF THERE'S ANY FLUID LEAK FROM WHAT'S IN, IN INSIDE THE BATTERY STORAGE, IS THAT KEPT WITHIN THE ENCLOSURE OR IS OTHER, DOES IT LEAK OUT IN SOME WAY? UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY.
IT WOULD, IT WOULD, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS TO INSTALL A SURFACE, UH, FOR THESE UNITS TO REST ON.
SO IT'S JUST GONNA BE SITTING ON THE, THE WHATEVER THE INSTALLATION PLATFORM IS.
SO I GUESS ANY FLUID WOULD LEAK INTO THE ADJACENT GROUND, BUT THAT, UM, WALL WOULD SERVE AS A HORIZONTAL BARRIER OF SORTS.
UM, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE, UH, ANY LIQUID WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PENETRATE THAT HORIZONTALLY.
SO IT WOULD BE CONTAINED WITHIN, WITHIN, WITHIN THE WALLS? YES, ESSENTIALLY.
AND THAT, AND THAT WALL, THE, THE TESTING SHOWS THAT THERE'S REALLY NO EXPLOSION OR EQUIPMENT FRAGMENTATION THAT OCCURS DURING A FIRE.
BUT, UM, THE, THE WALL WOULD PROTECT AGAINST THAT AS WELL, OBVIOUSLY, THAT THAT'S AS A RESULT OF THE VENTING, WHICH THE EARLY UNITS, AS I RECALL, WERE EXPLODING.
AND THE REASON THEY WERE EXPLODING, THERE WAS NO VENTING.
IS THAT CORRECT? THERE, THERE WERE, THERE WERE SOME BIG EXPLOSIONS.
ARIZONA BEING THE BIGGEST ONE THAT I, I RECALL.
AND AS I RECALL THAT AFTER THAT, TESLA CHANGED THE DESIGN AND ADDED A WAY OF THE, UM, THE GAS ESCAPING.
SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT GAS BUILDUP TO EXPLODE.
I'M, I'M NOT SURE THE ARIZONA INCIDENT WAS TESLA.
IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN TESLA, BUT, BUT I KNOW THAT THINGS WERE REDESIGNED AFTER THAT TO ALLOW, UH, GAS TO ESCAPE BECAUSE THAT WAS THE BIG PROBLEM IN ARIZONA.
THESE, THESE UNITS, UH, THESE MEGA PACK UNITS DO HAVE A SPECIFIC VENTING SYSTEM, AND I BELIEVE THEY GUARD AGAINST THAT, UH, PURPOSE.
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OKAY.WALTER, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, WHAT, UH, I, JUST FOR VERIFICATION, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE IS NO LIQUID IN THAT SYSTEM BECAUSE I CAN RECALL AT ONE POINT THERE WAS SOME METHYLENE, GEICO USED AS A COOLING SYSTEM, PART OF YOUR REFRIGERATION.
SO IS THERE ANY LIQUID CONTAINED IN YOUR UNIT? I BELIEVE THERE IS, UH, A CERTAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, QUANTITY OF GLYCO IN THE, UH, IN THE UNITS, IN THE, OKAY.
SO THE WALL PROTECTS IT FROM LEAKING OUT, BUT WHAT PROTECTS IT FROM SEEK GOING INTO THE GROUND? WELL, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, TO MY RECOLLECTION, WE HAD PROPOSED IF THAT IS REALLY REQUIRED TO HAVE A TANK UNDERNEATH THAT COULD COLLECT THE GLYCO.
I, I THOUGHT THAT HAD BEEN PROPOSED EARLIER.
THAT'S LIKE THEY HAVE IN, IN THE CHEMICAL TANK FORM.
YOU HAVE A CON THE BOTTOM IS A CONTAINMENT, UH, CONTAINMENT UNIT.
THAT EXCEEDS, HAS A CAPACITY THAT EXCEEDS THE CAPACITY OF WHATEVER SOLVENT IS BEING USED IN THE UNIT.
SO I THINK THAT, YEAH, THERE IS, THE AMOUNT OF GLYCOL IS NOT REALLY ENORMOUS, AND WE CAN HAVE A TANK THAT CAN'T COLLECT THAT GLYCOL IN THE EVENT THAT THERE IS LEAKAGE.
BUT I'M SAYING IF IT START LEAKING, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING ON THE GROUND.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF CONTAINMENT UNIT THAT THE BOTTOM OF THE, OF THE SYSTEM HAS TO BE, IT WOULD BE UNDERNEATH IMPERIOUS, IT WOULD BE SURFACE THAT SHOULD YOU HAVE A LEAK, IT WILL BE CAPTURED IN THAT CONTAINER.
THE, THE PLAN IS, UH, WE CAN PUT, UH, THE, THE CONTAINMENT UNDERGROUND SO THAT IF THERE IS LEAKAGE, IT WILL JUST GO INTO THAT, UH, IN, INTO THAT, UH, CONTAIN, INTO THAT CONTAINER.
THE ONE OTHER QUESTION, I, I'M PRETTY SURE THE FIRE DISTRICT BROUGHT IT UP IN, PARTICULARLY IN THE CASE OF MIDWAY.
UM, THERE IS A RES, THERE'S AT LEAST ONE, MAYBE TWO RESIDENCES THAT A FAIRLY CLOSE TO WHERE THESE FACILITIES ARE.
UH, IT'S A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY IN GREENVILLE BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE STREET BEFORE YOU GET TO THE HOUSES AND THE FRONT SETBACK OF THE HOUSES.
UM, THE CONCERN WAS ABOUT TOXIC GAS DURING A FIRE FIRE.
WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE GAS THAT'S RELEASED DURING A FIRE? WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT HOW IT DISPERSES AND HOW FAR AND WHAT, WHAT KIND OF HAZARD IT WOULD CAUSE, IF ANY? JOHN, JOHN, UM, ANY, ANY FIRE HAS, UH, HAZARDOUS PRODUCTS OF COMBUSTION.
UM, YOUR CLASS A, YOU KNOW, SO-CALLED WOOD FIRE HAS THE LEAST AMOUNT OF, UM, HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.
YOU KNOW, PLASTICS AND SYNTHETIC MATERIALS ALL CONTAIN HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS TO THEM.
UM, A FIRE INVOLVING THESE UNITS WOULD HAVE, UM, SOME, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS CONSTITUENTS OF HAZARDOUS GASES AND CHEMICALS.
UM, SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN NAMED IN THE, UH, FIRE TESTING, UM, AS ANY FIRE PLUME, UH, RISES.
BUT THE SMOKE, IT GETS, UH, DILUTED, UM, WITH THE SURROUNDING AIR AND THE CONCENTRATION OF THE AIR GOES UP WITH RESPECT TO THE CONCENTRATION OF THE CHEMICALS AND THE DISTANCE THAT, UM, A SMOKE PLUME AND THE CONSTITUENTS THEREOF WOULD ULTIMATELY DI DISPERSE DEPENDS ON THE ACTUAL SIZE OF THE FIRE AT THAT INSTANT, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW HIGH THE SMOKE ACTUALLY GOES.
AND IT'S ALSO THE PREVAILING WIND MAGNITUDE AND DIRECTION, AND THEN ALSO THE AMBIENT TEMPERATURE CONDITIONS.
AND THEN THAT'LL EVENTUALLY DETERMINE, UH, HOW IT SETTLES OUT AND, UH, CONCENTRATION CONCENTRATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S A VERY, UH, DIFFICULT PHENOMENON TO PREDICT BECAUSE AS THE TEMPERATURES FLUCTUATE, THE CHEMICALS THEMSELVES CHEMICALLY RECOMBINE AND REARRANGE, AND NOT ALL OF 'EM, YOU KNOW, STAY THE SAME.
BUT THE QUE THERE'S STILL GONNA BE AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION.
THESE ARE TWO VERY PRECISE THINGS.
WE KNOW THE SIZE OF IT, WE KNOW WHERE IT'S LOCATED.
WE KNOW WHAT THE, UM, WHAT THE TEMPERATURE, TEMPERATURE, AMBIENT TEMPERATURE IS IN THE SURROUNDING IT, WHICH I KNOW HAS AN IMPACT AS WELL.
THE QUESTION IS, IS WHAT POTENTIALLY COULD COME OUT OF A
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FIRE HERE ANY MORE OR LESS HAZARDOUS THEN IF THE BUILDING NEXT TO IT CUT FIRE, FOR EXAMPLE? THAT'S THE, OR THAT'S THE QUESTION.FOR PEOPLE GO, IT'S A QUESTION.
YOU'RE GONNA HEAR IT AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO YOU MIGHT AS WELL ANSWER IT NOW.
AND THEY'RE RIGHT, BECAUSE IF I LIVED BEHIND THERE, THAT'D BE THE QUESTION I'D BE ASKING TOO.
SO WHAT IS THE ANSWER TO THAT? ARE THE PEOPLE BEHIND THERE ANY LESS SAFE AS A RESULT OF THIS? AND THEY ARE ANY OTHER KIND OF FIRE THAT CAN HAPPEN WITHIN A SIMILAR PROXIMITY? YOU HAVE SOME VERY, YOU HAVE SOME VERY LARGE BUILDINGS IN THE PROXIMITY OF THIS INSTALLATION, AND DEPENDING ON THE FIRE SEVERITY OF, UM, POTENTIAL FIRES AND THOSE STRUCTURES THAT THE CONTAMINANTS AND SMOKE RELEASE WOULD BE A MUCH GREATER MAGNITUDE THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
AND THE AMOUNT OF CONTAMINANT THAT, I MEAN, THERE WERE, THERE ARE CONTAMINANTS AND THE CONTAMINANTS, RIGHT? THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU SHOULDN'T BREATHE IN AND OTHER THINGS THAT'LL KILL YOU RIGHT AWAY.
AND YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS NO DIFFERENT IN TERM TERMS OF THAT WHAT THE TOXICITY IS
SO, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF MERCHANDISE, I MEAN, SOMEBODY CAN HAVE A COMPUTER COM COMPUTER STORE AND THEY COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, 600 LAPTOPS AND EACH ONE OF 'EM HAS A LITHIUM ION BATTERY IN IT.
AND SOMEBODY COULD ARGUE BECAUSE THE BATTERY TECHNOLOGY IS SIMILAR OR THE SAME.
NOW, WHEN THAT CATCHES FIRE, THEY'LL BE JUST AS HAZARDOUS AS THESE, EVEN THOUGH, AS THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, 16 GIANT BATTERIES.
WELL, LEMME GIVE ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
WE'VE GOT A FEW CAR DEALERSHIPS ALONG CENTRAL AVENUE THAT BACK UP ONTO TO, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREAS, IF, GOD FORBID ANY, THE ROW OF CARS THAT THEY HAVE PARKED.
AND A LOT OF TIMES THEY DO IN THAT, BACK IN THOSE BACK SPACES CAUGHT FIRE.
WOULD THAT BE THE SAME, BETTER OR WORSE THAN, THAN IF THESE CAUGHT FIRE, FOR EXAMPLE? UH, I MEAN,
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE A DIFFERENT, IT'S A DIFFERENT BALL GAME, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY CARS CATCH ON FIRE, WHAT KIND OF CARS THEY ARE.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW RUBBER, I MEAN, TIRES BURNING I KNOW IS A, A NASTY AFFAIR.
UM, LIKE I SAID, ANYTHING THAT HAS PLASTIC OR SYNTHETIC MATERIALS, UM, THE, THE PRODUCTS THAT COMBUSTION ARE, YOU KNOW, VERY HAZARDOUS.
THE ONLY TIMES THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY SAFE FIRE IN TERMS OF FIRE PRODUCTS IS LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE A WOOD OR A CLASS, A FIRE, UM, ANYTHING CHEMICAL OR SYNTHETIC OR PLASTIC, UM, THEY'RE ALL, THEY ALL PRODUCE, YOU KNOW, NASTY THINGS.
IN CLEARLY BY THE TIME YOU FINISH WRITING UP THE, UH, SAFETY PROTOCOL, BETTER HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW DANGEROUS IT IS TO THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS, AND IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO EVACUATE IF THERE'S A FIRE, UM, THAT IS A QUESTION THAT'S GONNA COME UP.
AND IF YOU CAN WORK WITH OUR CONSULT AS WELL ON THIS, BUT IT'S, IT'S A QUESTION THAT'S BEEN ASKED.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES ARE THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT ALREADY, I GUARANTEE IF THE PUBLIC'S GONNA ASK THE SAME THING.
SO I, I SUSPECT IT'S YOUR BEST INTEREST TO TRY TO COME UP WITH AN ANSWER TO THAT AS TO WHAT, WHAT THE CHANCES OF SOMEONE BEHIND THERE HAVING TO EVACUATE WOULD BE COMPARED TO OTHER THINGS.
BECAUSE IN FAIRNESS, THIS IS A DEFINED INSTALLATION THAT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, MEASURED BASED ON THE SPECS THEY HAVE.
ALL THE OTHER SCENARIOS ARE VERY OPEN-ENDED.
YOU'D HAVE TO COME UP WITH, IT'S WOULD BE COMPARABLE TO THIS OR THAT OR THE OTHER THING.
RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S TRUE, ANY SHOPPING CENTER HAS DIFFERENT THINGS IN IT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT SIZE, NUMBER OF CARS.
THERE'S SO MANY OTHER VARIABLES, RIGHT? ONCE YOU LEAVE THE DEFINED THING, I THINK COMING UP WITH SOMETHING YOU CAN COMPARE IT TO MIGHT BE USEFUL.
SO, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ANSWER OTHERWISE THE SIZE.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SIZE WAS IN CALIFORNIA, RIGHT? WHEN THEY, THAT'S BIGGER THAN ENOUGH, BUT I'M SAYING YOU CAN'T EXTRAPOLATE IT DOWN BECAUSE THEY, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE TOXIC EFFECTS OF THAT THEY SHOULD BE, I WOULD SUSPECT YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO MEASURE THE TOXIC EFFECTS OF WHAT COMES OFF SOMETHING THAT'S DEFINED LIKE THIS.
THE ISSUE I THINK IS THE OPPOSITE SIDE IS THE COMPARISON WITH WHAT'S EXISTING THERE.
NOW, I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF YOU CAN'T COME UP WITH THE MATH THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, LESLIE, YOU'RE RIGHT.
LISTEN, IF IF THE, IF THE TOXIC GASES ARE GOING TO BE KNOWN, IF THE CELLS CATCH ON FIRE, I'M SURE THERE'S A, UM, A, A RATE FOR DISPERSION INTO THE ATMOSPHERE THAT CAN BE MEASURED PER, I DON'T KNOW, SQUARE FOOT PER, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE WE DID WITH BLOOM, LIKE WE DID WITH
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THAT.BUT THE, THE THING WITH BLOOM IS WE COMPARED IT AND SAID IT'S NO WORSE THAN HAVING A FUR, HAVING A, A FURNACE, A HOUSEHOLD FURNACE.
THAT'S WHY WE SAID, RIGHT, OKAY, IT'S, THIS ISN'T ANY WORSE THAN WHAT THEY COULD HAVE DONE DONE THERE.
SO WE NEED TO KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU IT SAY IT'S EQUIVALENT TO FIVE CARS CATCHING ON FIRE OR EIGHT TIRES CATCHING ON FIRE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
ARE WE, ARE WE INTERESTED IN JUST A COMPARISON FOR THE SAKE OF PUTTING IT IN LAYMAN'S TERMS? OR ARE WE INTERESTED IN, IN LIKE THE ACTUAL DOCUMENTATION? BOTH.
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IF THE RISK IS ANY GREATER THAN OUR APPROVED USES IS NOW.
IF IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER, YOU NEED TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT SOME OTHER SOLUTION.
IF IT'S NOT, THEN YOU DON'T NEED TO MM-HMM.
BUT WE'RE TRYING TO JUST GET OUR ARMS AGAIN, IT'S, WE APOLOGIZE, BUT THIS IS FAIRLY NEW TECHNOLOGY AND WE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH, WE JUST DID A, WE JUST APPROVED A FUEL CELL, A GAS POWERED FUEL CELL, WHICH IS WITHIN A, UH, A HUNDRED FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
AND THE REASON WE'RE ABLE TO APPROVE IT, IT IS THEY CAME BACK TO US WITH A DISPERSION ANALYSIS THAT SHOWED US IT WASN'T A BIG DEAL.
OKAY? SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE.
AND IF WE DON'T ASK FOR IT, THE FIRE DISTRICT'S GONNA ASK FOR IT AND THEY'RE GONNA BE RIGHT.
AND IF THEY DON'T ASK FOR WHAT THE PUBLIC'S GONNA BE ASKING, THEY'RE GONNA BE RIGHT.
THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE WITH.
THEY, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT, WHAT'S BEING BUILT NEXT TO THEM.
SO I CAN'T BELIEVE IT DOESN'T EXIST.
AND LE WHAT LESLIE, LESLIE IS OUR REALLY OUR ENVIRONMENTAL PERSON ON THE BOARD, AND SHE SAYS THAT THERE IS MATH THAT EXISTS FROM, FROM, OKAY, YOU THINK YOU'RE ON THE SPOT NOW, BUT EVEN FROM THE MANUFACTURER MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET DIRECTLY FROM YEAH.
AND, AND JUST BECAUSE, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S HORRIBLE TO HAVE BAD SITUATIONS GIVE US LESSONS.
BUT WHEN YOU DO HAVE A BAD SITUATION, COMPANIES TEND TO TAKE THE LESSON FROM THAT.
SO IF SOMETHING HAPPENED AT, AT ANOTHER SITE, PERHAPS, I MEAN, THAT WAS ONLY A MONTH AGO, BUT, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS THERE'S INFORMATION OR KNOWLEDGE WE CAN GAIN FROM IT, RIGHT? JUST IF THERE, THERE'S GOTTA BE A WAY OF FIGURING OUT THE DISPERSION IN, IN A CASE LIKE THAT.
SOMEBODY HAS DONE THAT, I WOULD THINK, AND IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE IT.
WE WE'RE, WE COULD BE PERFECTLY FINE.
I'M HOPING WE'RE PERFECTLY FINE.
I JUST CAN'T, DON'T HAVE WARM AND FUZZIES FROM WHAT YOU JUST TOLD ME.
BUT, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S A POSSIBLE THING TO DO.
SO WE, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO DO, DO THAT.
WE, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THESE PROJECTS THERE.
THEY'RE A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
DO IT AS A COMMUNITY, BE, BECOME GREEN, BUT WE'RE NOT GREEN.
IF WE BECOME BROWN, I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VEHICLES NOW, I CAN TELL YOU THIS WITH A HIGH DEGREE OF CONFIDENCE, UM, A HEAVY GOOD, UM, ANY TRACTOR TRAILER, UH, HEADING FOR WALMART OR BED BATH AND BEYOND, OR FOR THAT MATTER, A GASOLINE TANKER WOULD RELEASE, UM, ORDERS OF MAG ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE MORE SMOKE, UM, INTO THE ATMOSPHERE THAN A FULL SCALE FIRE OF THIS, UM, PARTICULAR INSTALLATION AND WOULD DISPERSE OVER MUCH WIDER RADIUS, UM, THAN, THAN A FIRE HERE.
AND IN TERMS OF OCCUPANCIES AND MALLS ARE CONSIDERED HIGH HAZARD IF THEY'RE COM YOU KNOW, UH, TO THE DEGREE THAT THEY COMBUST.
AND ALSO, UM, THE SO-CALLED VERY LARGE STORAGE WAREHOUSES, IF THEY FULLY COMBUST TO ANY LARGE DEGREE PROPOSED THE LARGEST HAZARD IN TERMS OF HAZARDOUS MATERIAL AND SMOKE, UM, DISPERSION ACROSS MILES.
UM, OUR ONLY ADVICE TO YOU, JOHN, AGAIN, OUR ONLY ADVICE TO YOU IS THAT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
OKAY? TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT YOU CAN COME UP WITH HERE TO ANSWER THAT AS PRECISELY AS IS AVAILABLE TODAY.
WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO, UH, DO TRAILBLAZING RESEARCH, BUT WE ARE ASKING YOU TO, TO, YOU KNOW, PERUSE THE LITERATURE.
I MEAN, THE WAY WE LEARNED ABOUT BATTERY STORAGE IN THE FIRST PLACE IS WE READ, UH, THE TESLA, UH, OPERATOR'S MANUAL, UH,
THAT'S LITERALLY HOW WE STARTED DOWN THIS ROAD IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO WE NEED YOU, YOU TO WORK WITH OUR CONSULTANT AND JUST, IT'S PROBABLY NOT A PROBLEM.
JUST MAKE SURE YOU DOCUMENT THAT IT'S NOT AND EXPLAIN WHY IT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE, WE NEED TO KNOW.
OKAY? THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING.
AS I SAID, THE QUESTION ISN'T JUST A US THE QUESTION CAME FROM FIRE.
THE, THE QUESTION I, I CAN ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
YOUR TYPICAL FIRE OF AN ELECTRICAL VEHI,
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AN ELECTRICAL VEHICLE, EVEN A SMALL VEHICLE, IS EQUIVALENT TO THE PEAK HEAT, HEAT RELEASE RATE FOR, UM, THIS, THIS INSTALLATION, WHICH WAS FIVE 5.1 MEGAWATTS.SO EVEN, UH, LIKE I SAID BACK IN
IS THIS THE, THE WHOLE THE WHOLE ENERGY ENERGY THING.
ONE ELECTRIC CAR BURNING TESLA OR ANYBODY ELSE, LITHIUM ION ON BATTERY, CAR BURNING, CHEVY VOLT, WHATEVER.
BURNING IS EQUIVALENT TO THIS ENTIRE FACILITY.
UM, AND I, I'M, I'M COMPARING PEAK KEY RELEASE RATE, WHICH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SMOKE PLUME GENERATION AND DISPERSION CAPABILITIES IN TERMS OF TOTAL ENERGY RELEASED AND TOTAL TIME TO BURN.
I'M NOT SPEAKING TO THAT, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SMOKE THING.
BUT THAT'S, BUT THAT'S IMPORTANT.
THE, THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT BURNS AS WELL, THEY SAID THREE AND A HALF HOURS, RIGHT? YEAH.
YEAH, I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD BE THE NIGHT TO ANSWER IT.
I THINK YOU GOTTA GO BACK AND THINK ABOUT IT.
I WOULD TALK TO AARON TOMORROW.
I WOULD TALK TO OUR CONSULTANT TOMORROW, AND I'M DOING THIS TO HELP YOU GUYS, NOT TO HURT YOU GUYS.
THIS IS A, THIS IS PROBABLY THE LAST, THE LAST ISSUE ON THE TABLE IS, IS THAT I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN OVER VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT THIS IS THE LAST ISSUE IN THE TABLE.
AND THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ACTUALLY GIVING A WAIVER FROM THE BACK LINE, I THINK, RIGHT? AND AND TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
YEAH, TO THE BUILDING WHERE THERE ARE PEOPLE IN SURPRISE, SURPRISE, OKAY.
AND I THINK YOU'VE MADE A BIG IMPROVEMENT HERE.
I'M VERY HAPPY, WE'RE HAPPY WITH THE FIREWALL.
UM, SO THIS IS THE LAST THING.
IS THERE A REASON, CRAZY QUESTION.
IS THERE A REASON WHY, WHY, WHY YOU COULDN'T PUT A TOP ON THIS, JOHN.
UM, IF, IF WE WERE TO PUT A TOP ON IT, UM, THE, THE, THE UNIT ITSELF JUST FOR NORMAL OPERATION CAPABILITIES CAN'T OPERATE IN AN ENCLOSED ENVIRONMENT.
THAT'S ALL THAT, THAT'S THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
JUST WORK ON THE OTHER QUESTION.
I'M, I'M SURE YOU CAN COME UP WITH AN ANSWER TO IT AND YOU'RE PROBABLY IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
JUST TRY TO POLISH THAT ANSWER WITH AS MUCH EXAMPLE AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN.
WOULD IT BE REASONABLE TO THINK THAT WE COULD GET A RESPONSE ON THIS IN, IN WORKING, YOU KNOW, TOGETHER WITH OUR OFFICE AND OUR CONSULTANT OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, THREE OR FOUR BUSINESS DAYS BY NEXT WEDNESDAY FOR THIS SPECIFIC, UH, UH, THE QUESTION OF THE SMOKE? YES.
UH, WE CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT.
WE'LL, WE'LL LET US DISCUSS INTERNALLY AND GET BACK TO YOU.
I THINK OUR CONSULTANT HAS DIS I KNOW THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED OUR CONSULTANT WHEN WE WROTE THE LAW, SO I THINK WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANT ON THIS COULD BE VERY HELPFUL IN COMING UP WITH AN ANSWER THAT, UH, PEOPLE CAN, CAN UNDERSTAND AND, UH, BE COMFORTABLE WITH.
SO AARON, WERE YOU HOPING TO GET THIS ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING NEXT MEETING? I THINK IT, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE, YEAH.
TO OBTAIN PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE TWO APPLICATIONS.
WE DON'T HAVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING IF WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER YET.
AND WE CAN HAVE OUR CONSULTANT AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING RIGHT.
TO SPEAK WITH THE APPLICANT AHEAD OF OPENING UP.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, I'D LIKE, WE'D LOVE TO BE IN A POSITION TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH WE WILL DO.
AT THE NEXT, AT, AT OUR, OUR NEXT MEETING.
HOWEVER, I'D LIKE TO NOT HAVE TO HAVE MULTIPLE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THAT.
SO IF YOU CAN CLOSE THE LOOP ON THIS BEFORE THAT PUBLIC HEARING, MO I SEE YOUR HAND.
GET TO YOUR SECOND, UM, GET, GET, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ANSWER TO THIS.
IT'LL MAKE THE PUBLIC HEARING GO SMOOTHER, I THINK.
'CAUSE YOU'LL HAVE AN ANSWER TO IT.
AND YEAH, IT'LL MOVE IT FASTER TOO.
MORA, YOU HAD A QUESTION? COMMENT.
YOU'RE ON MUTE I THINK MONA, SORRY.
UM, I THOUGHT WHEN HE BEGAN HIS PRESENTATION, HE SAID HE HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO MEET WITH GREENVILLE TO DISCUSS THE PRESENTATION.
HE WANTED TO COME TO US FIRST, AND I, UM, BELIEVE THAT HE SHOULD MEET WITH GREENVILLE ALSO BEFORE HE COMES BACK TO US JUST TO REVIEW THE POSITION, UM, FOR EVERYTHING AND REVIEW WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE HAPPY WITH EVERYTHING.
SO WE DID AM AM I CORRECT IN THAT, THAT HE
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HAD NOT GONE OVER EVERYTHING WITH THEM? SO WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO OVER EVERYTHING, BUT WE DID MEET, MEET WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT ON MONDAY OVER ZOOM.THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS THAT CAME OUT OF IT.
WE WANTED TO GIVE THE FIRE DISTRICT OFFICIALS AN OPPORTUNITY TO FULLY REVIEW THE FIRE HAZARD ANALYSIS.
AND THEN THE APPLICANT AT THAT TIME SAID, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'VE REPEATEDLY SAID THIS OVER THE COURSE OF THE PROJECT, THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT OFFICIALS, YOU KNOW, ON A RESPONSE PLAN AND HAVING APPROPRIATE PERSONNEL ON SITE AND AVAILABLE TO BE ON SITE IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY.
SO THERE'S BEEN GOOD BACK AND FORTH.
WE JUST WANTED TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THE FIRE DISTRICT SOME ADDITIONAL TIME TO REVIEW THAT FIRE HAZARD ANALYSIS.
BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP.
SO YEAH, SO THEY HAVE MET, THEY HAVEN'T MET TO THE DEGREE THAT THEY WILL TO FINE TUNE SOME THINGS MOVING FORWARD.
DID YOU LIKE, SORRY, GO AHEAD.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I AM VERY, UM, ADAMANT ABOUT IS NOT ONLY THAT THEY WORK WITH GREENVILLE, BUT THAT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE WAY OUR FIRE DISTRICTS WORK AND THAT IT'S MUTUAL AID, THAT IT MUST BE, UM, SOMETHING THAT THEY, UM, WORK WITH ALL OF THE DISTRICTS, NOT JUST GREENVILLE, THAT ALL DISTRICTS BE TRAINED WITH WHATEVER IS NECESSARY.
EVEN THOUGH THAT BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS WILL BE WITHIN THE GREENVILLE DISTRICT, THE ONLY, ALL OF THE DISTRICTS MUST BE TRAINED.
THE ONLY DISTRICT THAT I WOULD SEE RESPONDING TO THIS BESIDES GREENVILLE, WOULD BE HARTSDALE.
WELL, I MEAN, IT'S A BIG ENOUGH IF IT'S A BIG ENOUGH, UM, UM, ACTION, THEY'RE ALL GONNA COME IN IF, IF IT LASTS FOR SEVEN DAYS TO HELP.
BUT I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAINING, NOT ABOUT THE SIGHTING AND THE YEAH.
BUT TRAINING APPROVAL OF THIS.
IF THEY CONSIDER A REPRESENTATIVE, WHEN, WHEN THESE PEOPLE ARE TRAINED, ABSOLUTELY THEY CAN.
WELL, WE, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE, JUST AS A REMINDER, WE HAVE AN EXISTING INSTALLATION IN, UH, AT, UH, YORKTOWN HEIGHTS, AND WE HAVE PROVIDED TRAINING TO THE FIRE DISTRICT THERE.
WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THE SAME THING.
AND JUST ONE OTHER THING IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, UH, THIS IS, UH, CONTINUING TO PROGRESS, UH, I WOULD CERTAINLY WELCOME, UH, TO SIT DOWN WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT EVEN BEFORE WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A GAME PLAN THAT IS DRAWN WITH THEM SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN PROVIDE AT LEAST GOOD ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS RAISED DURING THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS TONIGHT ON THIS? OR SHOULD WE JUST MOVE IT TO THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AT OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS NOVEMBER 3RD? SECOND? SECOND? ARE WE OKAY? ANYTHING ELSE? I'M GOOD.
I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN DI DIFFICULT, UH, BUT WE, WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE, I THINK WE'RE VERY CLOSE.
UM, WORKING WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT IS THE LAST STEP IN THIS AND, AND, AND, UH, ADDRESSING THAT ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE.
SO THANK YOU AND WE'LL SEE YOU ON THE SECOND.
THANK, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH EVERYONE, AND, UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING, UH, ON THIS PATH.
SO WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE MEETING AT 8:31 PM.