[ FINAL TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA GREENBURGH TOWN HALL WEDNESDAY, November 2, 2022 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
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QUICK REMINDER.OKAY? TELL ME WHEN, WHEN WE'RE ROLLING.
OKAY, GUYS, I HAVE MY GAVEL HERE.
TOM, CAN WE START? WE'VE GOT A REALLY BIG AGENDA.
GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
WELCOME TO THE NOVEMBER 2ND, UH, MEETING OF THE, UH, PLANNING BOARD.
UM, MR. SCHMIDT, WILL YOU CALL THE ROLE PLEASE? SURE.
NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MS. DAVIS IS ANTICIPATED TO ATTEND VIA ZOOM.
SHE WILL NOT BE A FULL VOTING MEMBER MEMBER THIS EVENING BECAUSE WE HAVE A FULL BOARD.
I'LL ANNOUNCE WHEN SH WE SEE HER IN THE ZOOM ROOM.
UM, TONIGHT WE DO HAVE A, A, A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE, UH, WILL COMMIT TO NOT TO STARTING NO LATER THAN NINE O'CLOCK TONIGHT.
PROBABLY BETWEEN EIGHT 30 AND NINE.
SO IF THE PUBLIC IS WAITING, IF ANYBODY ON THE, THERE'S WAITING FOR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, WHICH WILL BE DONE TOGETHER 'CAUSE OF THIS, THERE ARE SIMILAR ISSUES.
UH, YOU, IT WON'T START TILL PROBABLY EIGHT 30 AT THE EARLIEST, BUT NO LATER THAN NINE O'CLOCK, WHATEVER, WHEREVER WE ARE ON THE AGENDA, WE'LL STOP AT THAT POINT AND, AND GO IN A PUBLIC HEARING.
OKAY? BECAUSE WE WANT TO GET THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.
UM, JUST YOUR MICS, PLEASE TURN ON YOUR MICS IF YOU SEE THE RED.
DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? I DID NOT.
THE FROM SHOULD BE AFTER GLYCOL, THE TEXT, THE ETHYLENE GLYCOL FROM SEEPING IT.
ANY, ANY OTHER CHANGES? CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED, THEN PLEASE MOVED.
STILL ALL OPPOSED, ABSTENTION? YES.
THERE IS ANYTHING IN CORRESPONDENCE TONIGHT.
AARON, IF WE HAVE TIME AT THE END OF THE MEETING, I DO HAVE ONE ITEM.
BUT ONLY IF WE HAVE TIME, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT A REALLY HEAVY SCHEDULE.
SO WE TAKE OUT THAT ITEM AT THE END RATHER THAN THE BEGINNING IF WE HAVE THE DONE.
FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS, UH, THE, UH, REESE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
THIS IS YOUR CALL WAS A SETTLEMENT OF THE LAWSUIT.
WE WERE BEGINNING SOME OF THE PAPER STREET.
EACH OF THE, THE PEOPLE WERE GETTING THE PAPER STREET.
WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING AT OUR LAST MEETING.
UM, AND THE APPROVALS IN FRONT OF YOU READ SPECIAL CONDITIONS TO THIS.
WE DID, WE DID ADD THREE SITE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS, UH, ALL THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH.
BUT, UM, THEY'RE ON BEGINNING ON PAGE THREE, SECTION 4.1, 4.2, AND 4.3.
I CAN RECITE THEM OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO BE NEITHER THEM RECITED? NO.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A COMMENTS? CHANGES TO, TO THE APPROVAL? I, ONE COMMENT IN TERMS OF WHAT HAPPENS TO THE, UH, LOT THAT TOWN OWNS.
IT'S GONNA BE, IT HAS UTILITIES WITHIN IT.
IT'LL BE MAINTAINED BY THE TOWN.
IN WHICH CASE CAN I HAVE A, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION FOR REESE? SO MOVED.
IT WAS, IT WAS A PHOTO FINISH.
UH, CASE PB 2127 RENARD SOUTH STORAGE.
AS YOU RECALL, THIS IS THAT LARGE, UH, STORAGE FACILITY THAT KIND OF GOES ACROSS OUR BORDER INTO ELMSFORD.
UM, THEY GOT ALL THE, UM, VARIANCES THAT THEY NEEDED FROM THE TOWN, AS YOU RECALL.
WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING IN DISAPPROVAL, MR. SCHMIDT, THAT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF? YES, PLEASE.
SO, IN ADDITION TO THE VARIANCES GRANTED BY THE TOWN OF GREENBURG ZONING
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BOARD, WE ALSO RECEIVED IN THE DRAFT, UH, THAT WAS CIRCULATED, STATED ONE AREA OF VARIANCE FROM THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD.SO THE APPLICANT REACHED OUT TO ME, UH, THIS AFTERNOON.
ALSO, THE VILLAGE BOARD OF TRUSTEES, AS LEAD AGENCY, ISSUED A NEGATIVE DECLARATION UNDER SEEKER AS PART OF A COORDINATED REVIEW.
UM, THAT BOARD DID ISSUE ITS SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
SO THIS EVENING, THE PLANNING BOARD HERE WILL BE CONSIDERING, UH, APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION AS WELL AS THE WAIVER REQUESTS, UH, SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
THERE WAS AN ADJUSTMENT MADE LATE THIS AFTERNOON THAT I JUST WANTED TO BRING TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION WITH RESPECT TO THE WAIVERS.
SO THE WAIVERS INVOLVED, UH, LANDSCAPE STRIP REQUIREMENTS IN THE REAR AND BOTH SIDE YARDS.
UM, THE MEMORANDUM ISSUED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WAS VERY EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS, AND IT INDICATED THAT FOR THE REAR AND BOTH SIDES THAT THE APPLICANT WAS SEEKING TO REDUCE THEM DOWN TO ZERO FROM 10 FEET REQUIRED TO ZERO.
AS A RESULT OF THIS BOARD'S REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION, THE PROJECT WAS MODIFIED ONE TO PULL THE BUILDING OFF THE REAR PROPERTY LINE BY FIVE FEET, AND ALSO TO ADD SOME LANDSCAPING ON THE SIDES.
SO RATHER THAN FROM 10 TO ZERO FOR EACH, THE, THE REQUEST IS ACTUALLY IN THE REAR YARD FROM 10 FEET REQUIRED TO FIVE FEET PROPOSED.
'CAUSE THEY ARE LANDSCAPING THAT FIVE FEET IN THE REAR AND ON THE SIDES.
EACH SIDE FROM 10 FEET REQUIRED TO SEVEN AND A HALF FEET PROPOSED.
AND THAT'S REFLECTIVE, UH, REFLECTED IN THE UPDATED PLANS THAT EVERYONE'S SEEN.
SO WHERE IS IT? IT'S NOT IN HERE.
IT'S, IT'S IN MY MASTER VERSION.
THAT'S THE VERSION THAT WENT OUT.
SO THE ONLY, THE NUMBERS THAT CHANGE ARE INSTEAD FROM 10 TO ZERO TO 10 TO FIVE IN THE REAR AND 10 TO SEVEN AND A HALF PAGE.
UM, SO THEY, THEY WILL, UH, DO THEY HAVE ANY LANDSCAPING PLAN OR THEY JUST, SO IT'S, IT'S MAINLY LAWN, BUT UM, THEY'RE GONNA WORK WITH US TO ADD SOME SHRUBBERY.
IT'S DIFFICULT IN THAT AREA BECAUSE IT'S A FLOOD ZONE, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT.
THIS BOARD ASKED ABOUT TREES OR THE POTENTIAL, AND THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD WORK WITH TOWN STAFF TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO PUT IN SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE SUBSTANTIAL THAN JUST LONG, YOU KNOW, TO DRESS IT UP.
SO THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH US.
EVEN LIKE A PLANTER BOX AGAINST, AGAINST THE BUILDING TO PUT IN, YOU KNOW, BREAK UP THE, THE MASSING.
EVERY TIME I GO TO THE SHOPRITE ON NINE, LET'S NOT GET STARTED.
SO THAT'S GONNA GET BROKEN UP TOO.
LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT THAT ONE.
SO YEAH, PLEASE DON'T WE HAVE THAT FIVE FEET BOX, CONCRETE BOX THERE.
UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS BEFORE WE VOTE? NO.
I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN FIRST, I GUESS, RIGHT? YES.
SO I HONOR SECOND AND THEN, UH, JOHANN.
ALL OPPOSED, ABSTENTIONS OPPOSED? ABSTAINED AND, AND, UH, WALTER'S ABSTAINING.
YEAH, SO SIX FOR, I, I THINK THE APPLICANT MADE SOME MAJOR CHANGES, BUT I DO FEEL THAT THE, THE BUILDING'S CREW HAS TOO MUCH BULK, BUT THE, THE, BUT WHAT THEY DID FOLLOWS THE CODE.
SO I CANNOT IN GOOD CONSCIOUS VOTE AGAINST IT.
SO WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON THE WAIVER, SARAH? YES, PLEASE.
AND, AND JUST IT CAN BE, UH, ONE VOTE.
YOU KNOW, AS ALL THREE WAIVERS.
CAN I, UH, GET A, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE WAIVERS AS WRITTEN IN THE APPROVAL LETTER? COULD YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC, WHAT WE'RE WAIVING? DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH IT? THROUGH IT? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
SO IT'S A REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO WAIVE, UH, THE LANDSCAPE STRIP REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THE REAR YARD STRIP, 10 FEET REQUIRED FIVE FEET, PROPOSED THE RIGHT SIDE YARD STRIP, 10 FEET REQUIRED SEVEN AND A HALF FEET.
PROPOSED THE LEFT SIDE YARD STRIP, 10 TO SEVEN AND A HALF AS WELL.
IS ELIA READY TO GO ON THE THIRD ONE? MR. ESCALADES, ARE YOU PREPARED TO? THANK YOU.
TAKE CARE HOW OFTEN I'LL ANNOUNCE IT RIGHT HERE? YES, I GOT IT.
CAN YOU HEAR ME TO START YOUR VIDEO?
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ME, TWO OF THEM.WE CANNOT HEAR YOU MR. ESCALADES.
WE HAVE, UH, CAN SEE YOUR COMPUTER.
LET ME ANNOUNCE THE CA CASE, MS. ESCALADES, PLEASE.
WE'VE SEEN THIS IN WORK SESSION, UH, ON A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS.
IT'S FOR A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION FOR, UH, FOUR BUILDING LOTS AND ONE LOT, UH, PROPOSED ROTARY AND A TREE REMOVAL PER PERMITS.
UM, AARON, WHAT WERE THE ISSUES FROM THE LAST TIME THAT WE WANTED TO DISCUSS WITH MS. MS. ESCALADES, PLEASE? SO, UH, COMING OUTTA THE LAST WORK SESSION WITH THE APPLICANT, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS, UM, THAT MR. ESCALADES ADDRESSED, UH, IN HIS RESUBMISSION.
FIRST OFF, THERE WAS, UH, A QUESTION ABOUT SNOW STORAGE.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE A CONVENTIONAL, YOU KNOW, ROUNDED CUL-DE-SAC WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE PLOW CAN MANEUVER AROUND.
IT'S SORT OF DEAD ENDS AND AS A STUB.
AND THE BOARD HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
SO THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED ON THE, I WAS, IT SAID I WAS A LITTLE LOW HERE, IDENTIFIED ON THE REVISED PLANS.
THE APPLICANT WAS ALSO ASKED TO CONSIDER INTRODUCING SOME PERMEABLE PAVERS OR SURFACES AS PART OF THE PROJECT, AND THEY WERE, HE WAS ABLE TO INCORPORATE, UH, PAVER STRIPS ALONG EACH OF THE DRIVEWAYS, UH, APPROXIMATELY EIGHT FEET WIDE.
WE CAN SHOW THAT ON THE PLANS, I'VE ASKED MATT TO ACTUALLY SHARE THEM.
AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER REQUEST WAS FROM THE FIRE DISTRICT OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ASKING THAT THE, THE HYDRANT PROPOSED BE RELOCATED, UH, TO I THINK MID MIDPOINT OF, OR CLOSE TO THE MIDPOINT OF THE, OF THE PROPOSED ROADWAY.
AND THAT WAS ACCOMMODATED AS WELL IN THE REVISED PLAN.
SO MATT, UH, HAS THE REVISED PLANS UP.
I'M HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, OPEN MY SETUP IF ANYONE WANTS TO TAKE A LOOK, BUT THOSE WERE THE ITEMS THAT WERE ASKED OF THE APPLICANT AT THE LAST WORK SESSION, AND I FEEL THAT, UM, HE'S DONE A GOOD JOB.
AND WHAT ABOUT LANDSCAPING? WASN'T THERE, IS THAT STILL AN ONGOING DISCUSSION? SO, GOOD QUESTION, MR. HAYES.
SO THERE WAS A PRELIMINARY LANDSCAPE PLAN PROVIDED.
UM, I'VE SPOKEN WITH MR. ESTES ABOUT THAT.
UH, HE WANTED TO HAVE THIS MORE FULLY DEVELOPED HEADING INTO A PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE BOARD AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
SO HE AND I ARE GONNA COORDINATE ON GETTING THIS MORE IRONED OUT THAN IT IS AS YOU SEE IT THIS EVENING.
UM, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE THAT MS. MS. ESCALADES TAKE THE BOARD THROUGH THE THREE CHANGE THE CHANGES AND HOW WE ADDRESSED SURE.
UM, THEM IN THE PLACE? I THINK I WAS, I WAS ASKED TO SPEAK.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT, WELL, AARON, AARON AS ALWAYS, UH, UH, SUMMARIZE ALL THE ITEMS THAT WERE, UH, ASKED OF US TO BE SUBMITTED.
THE FIRST ITEM, UM, THAT AS HE MENTIONED, IS THE AREA TO BE DEDICATED FOR THE SNOWPLOW DEBRIS AND ACCUMULATION.
UM, YOU CAN SEE IN THE DRAWING, RIGHT TOP A SHADED AREA THAT IS EARMARKED FOR ANY KIND OF ACCUMULATION OF SNOW DEBRIS.
UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT, UH, THERE YOU GO.
ITEM TWO ARE THE SHADED, UM, PAVERS THAT WILL BE INSTALLED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROPERTY LINE FOR EACH DRIVEWAY.
YEAH, AND THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ABSORPTIVE OF MOY OF BOARD.
IT'S A, IT'S PERMEABLE TYPE OF DESIGN.
SO ALL OF THE DRIVEWAYS, UH, HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL ELEMENT OF STORAGE AND IN INTERCEPTION OF WATER, IT'S A POSITIVE, UH, IT, IT, IT COULD VERY WELL DEVELOP INTO A STANDARDIZED, UH, UH, FORMAT FOR FUTURE SUBDIVISIONS.
IT ADD, IT ADDS, UH, VALUE TO THE DRIVEWAY.
IT IDENTIFIES THE ENTRANCE AND, AND IT DOES ITS JOB IN, IN, IN, IN AMELIORATING THE WATER VOLUMES.
AND, AND THE THIRD ITEM, OF COURSE, WAS THE MOVING OF THE HYBRID RIGHT THERE, UH, MOVING IT FORWARD INTO THE POSITION, UH, THAT THE FIRE MARSHALS WANTED IT, AND THAT THAT WAS, OF COURSE, EASILY ACCOMMODATED.
THOSE WERE THE THREE OUTSTANDING ITEMS. I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, WHY DIDN'T YOU DO THE ENTIRE DRIVEWAY IN PERMEABLE PAVERS? UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT, IT, SOMETIMES I'VE SEEN THAT, AND I, I'VE TALKED TO PUBLIC WORKS GUYS AND THEY SAY THOSE
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DAMN THINGS ARE ALWAYS BEING HIT BY THE PLOW STREET BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A PERFECT SURFACE.SO IF YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF UN SLIGHTLY MOVEMENT, THE PLOW WILL WILL PICK IT UP.
AND THEY, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE GOT, I'VE SEEN MY COMPLAINT IN OTHER TOWNS WHERE I KNOW PEOPLE THAT DO THOSE, UH, THAT KIND OF WORK.
AND THEY, THEY SAY THEY HATE IT.
THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T LIKE IT.
BUT I THINK, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT IT RIGHT OUTSIDE HERE, THE, UH, HALLWAY, THERE SHOULD BE A CITY HALL DON'T THINK IS A, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT A SIGN OR SOMETHING.
I I DON'T, I DON'T AGREE WITH YOUR COVERAGE.
BUT THE, THE PROBLEM IS THAT THAT'S A STATIC SPOT.
IT ONLY RECEDES THE SEEDS, THE CARS FRONT WHEELS OR REAR WHEELS, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU PARK.
BUT IT, IT IS NOT UNDER TRUCK TRAFFIC.
IT'S NOT UNDER CONSTANT, UH, TRAFFIC.
SO IT, IT DOES, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU READ THE LITERATURE, IT DOES HAVE THAT POSSIBILITY.
IF IT'S NOT PERFECTLY SET, UH, YOU COULD ARGUE WHY YOU DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T SET THEM RIGHT, YOU DIDN'T COMPACT THEM 95% AND SO ON.
BUT YOU, YOU DON'T WANNA COMPACT THESE BEDDINGS BECAUSE THESE BEDDINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE VOIDS FOR, FOR, FOR STORAGE.
SO THAT'S, UH, JUST, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A COMMENTS I'VE HEARD FROM, UH, FROM PUBLIC WORKS OFFICIALS.
CAN WE ASK, UM, THE, THE DRAINAGE SYSTEMS FOR THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS, WHAT, UM, YEAR STORM HAVE THEY BEEN DESIGNED TO? THEY, THEY, THEY'VE BEEN DESIGNED FOR MUCH MORE THAN THE, UH, A HUNDRED YEAR, UH, 6.5 INCHES, UH, 24 HOUR STORM.
AND I MEAN, I DO IT, I ALWAYS DO A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN I AND I HAVE TO.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THE STORAGE, UH, THE STORAGE OF THE DRIVEWAY PER, UH, UH, IN PER PERMEABLE, UH, PAINTS, THAT ADDS AN ADDITIONAL LAYER OF, OF SAFETY.
YOU DIDN'T REDUCE DOWN YOUR DESIGN AFTER YOU INCORPORATED THE
BY DOING THIS, IT'S ALL EXTRA.
DID HE SAY AN EXCESS OF A HUNDRED YEAR STORM? YES, THAT'S WHAT I WAS.
IN OTHER WORDS, THE E A HUNDRED YEAR STORM IS FIVE POINT, UH, I MEAN 6.4 SOMETHING INCHES.
AND, AND, AND, AND WHEN YOU DESIGN IT, YOU HAVE TO ASSUME A CERTAIN, UH, TYPE OF COVERAGE IN THE GROUND.
AND EVERY ENGINEER HAS A A HAS A, A, A CERTAIN ELEMENT OF, OF, OF, UH, CONSERVATIVE WAYS OF COMING UP WITH THE ANSWER.
YOU, YOU CAN, YOU CAN USE NUMBERS THAT ARE SLIGHTLY LESS PERMEABLE OR MORE PERMEABLE SO THAT THE, THE NUMBER AT THE END OF YOUR COMPUTATION COMES OUT TO BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER IN TERMS OF GALLIES TO BE RETAINED.
UH, I'M JUST SHARING THAT WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU ASKED ME.
BUT, UM, IS THIS, IS THIS COMPLYING WITH THE MINIMUM STANDARDS OF LIMITS? YES, BUT, AND I, I WOULD SAY, IF YOU ASK ME HOW MUCH MORE I DESIGN IS USUALLY 25% MORE.
IS THIS DESIGNED FOR A HUNDRED YEAR STORM? YES, A HUNDRED PERCENT.
AND AT THE BOARD'S REQUEST, I CAN, YOU KNOW, VERIFY THINGS GOING INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE TOWN'S BUREAU OF ENGINEERING.
SO WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT WITH ENGINEERING.
'CAUSE I ACTUALLY PULLED SOME INFORMATION RELATIVE TO THE PLANNING BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
THAT CHAPTER 2 48 BE UPDATED FROM A 25 YEAR TO A 50 YEAR.
THERE'S NEW, NEWER INFORMATION FROM THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF INCHES PER EVENT OVER A 24 HOUR.
SO WE CAN TAKE DURATION, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT THERE.
SO WE'LL REVIEW IT AND I'LL BE ABLE TO REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD GOING INTO A PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT I THINK OUR KEY SHOULD BE THAT IT, WE ARE AIMING FOR A MINIMUM OF 50.
SO IF MR. ESCALADE SAID IT'S A HUNDRED AND THEN WE DO OUR CALCULATION AND IT'S 75, HE SHOULDN'T BE PENALIZED FOR THAT.
RIGHT? IT SHOULD BE A HUNDRED WITH THE CURRENT, WITH THE REGS AS WE KNOW THEM TODAY.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT TO SAY.
SAY, OKAY, WE WENT THROUGH THIS, REMEMBER WE WENT THROUGH THIS WHOLE THING WITH MR. PETI A COUPLE YEARS AGO, THAT THEY WERE WAY BEHIND BEHIND IN UPDATING THOSE, THAT INFORMATION, WHICH IS WHY WE WENT TO THE 50 IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW CLOSE THEY ARE THIS TIME.
UM, THAT'S WHERE AARON'S RESEARCHING YES.
GO AHEAD, UH, ON WHERE YOU ARE.
UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD IF YOU HAD A SIGN THERE INDICATING IT'S FOR SNOW.
BECAUSE SOME, IF SOMEONE PARKS THERE AND THEY SNOWED
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IN, THEN THERE'LL BE, I DIDN'T KNOW.SO YOU PUT A SIGN THERE, CLARIFY OTHER PEOPLE.
MAY I JUST ELABORATE ON THAT A MOMENT? SO, UH, THE CHAIR AND I WERE JUST LOOKING AT THAT EMILIO, AND, UM, FIRST OFF WE WANTED TO KNOW, IS IT GONNA BE A DIFFERENT SURFACE OR IS THAT GONNA BE MCCADA OR NO? YOU, YOU, I I, AS FAR AS I'VE RESEARCHED MOST OF THESE, UH, AREAS THAT ARE DEDICATED, YOU, YOU ACTUALLY WANT THE ABSORPTIVE, THE PERMEABILITY OF THE NATURAL SOILS TO RECEIVE THE MOISTURE, TO RECEIVE THE ICE, THE WATER, NOT PAVEMENT.
IF YOU PAVE IT, THEN YOU'RE DOING THE OPPOSITE.
I YOU ARE, YOU'RE CREATING IT.
IT WAS HARD TO TELL BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T CROSSHATCHED ON THE, THE DRAWING, RIGHT? I MEAN, WELL, YEAH, I WANTED YOU TO SEE IT, BUT NO, THAT'S, THAT'S GRASS A GRASSED AREA.
CAN, CAN YOU, I THINK AT THE REQUEST OF THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, SHOW A SIGNAGE AND, AND A DETAIL FOR THE SIGN OF, 'CAUSE THIS IS GONNA BE A PRIVATE ROAD OF, I, I GUESS I HAVE A QUESTION.
HOW ARE THEY GETTING THE SNOW ONTO THAT AREA? IF THEY'RE GOING DOWN THE STREET WITH A BUNCH OF SNOW? I MEAN, THEY REALLY HAVE THE ABILITY AND THE, THE ROOM TO TURN A 90 DEGREE CORNER AND PUSH IT INTO THAT AREA.
IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENS IN GREENBURG, THAT THERE, THERE ARE AREAS OF THAT SIZE FOR MUCH LONGER STREETS.
AND THEY, THEY DO, THEY DO PUSH IT AND 'CAUSE THEY ACCUMULATE IT, IT, IT BECOMES, UH, VERTICAL.
AND THEN THEY COME LATER ON WITH A TRUCK AND THEY LOAD IT OUT.
NO, I, I LIVE IN THE PARKING LOT.
I LIVE IN THE END OF A DEAD END STREET.
AND I CAN TELL YOU IT STAYS UNTIL IT MELTS.
THEY SHOULDN'T, ITS IN THE PRIVATE ROAD.
WELL, THEY, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN AND TAKE IT OUT THEN.
WELL, BUT NO, THIS, THIS WOULD BE DONE BY PRIVATE CONTRACTORS.
IT ALL ALL DEPENDS ON THE H OA DECIDES THEN.
BUT, BUT NO, I THINK, AMELIA, THE QUESTION, AARON AND I WERE LOOKING AT IT IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU COULD SOFTEN THE TURN INTO THE AREA BY, INSTEAD OF MAKING IT A SQUARE, JUST ANGLE IT IN SO THAT IT'D BE EASIER FOR THEM TO PLOW.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? YOU'RE KIND OF AROUND IT IN, IT'S JUST THAT THE GEOMETRY OF THIS TURNAROUND IS SO SPECIFIC FOR THE FIRE VEHICLES.
THAT MAY BE WHY THE TAKE AWAY FROM THE HAMMERHEAD.
I MEAN, THEY'RE GONNA DO IT IF IT'S GONNA BE GRASS ANYWAY, WHOEVER'S PLOWING GONNA DO IT WAY, THEY'LL JUST GO OVER IT ANYWAY.
ANY OTHER QUE UH, ON, ON SS TWO, YOU HAVE THAT THE, THE WATER'S CONNECTED TO THE ADJACENT LOT.
WHAT IT, THE, DOES THE WATER PIPE COMES OUT TO THE ROAD OR THERE'S AN EASEMENT THERE? WELL, NO, THE, THE, THE WHOLE IDEA OF THE STORM DRAINAGE IS TO, TO, TO RETAIN THE WATER.
THE WATER SERVICE ON, ON S TWO, UH, IT, IT IS ON THE ADJACENT LOT.
OH NO, THAT'S AN EXISTING WATER LINE.
THAT, THAT SERVICE COMES UP TO THAT FIRST BAT HOLE THAT SHOWED UP.
THERE'S ONE, MAYBE YOU COULD EXPLAIN IT TO ME ON SS FIVE WHEN WE HAVE, UH, ON THE TOP, ON THE SANITARY SEWAGE HERE, IT, IT IS A SLOPE DOWN FED BY GRAVITY.
AND THEN THE PROPOSED DRAINAGE, AGAIN FED BY GRAVITY.
BUT THERE'S A DIAGRAM HERE, PROPOSED DMH SEVEN AND DMH EIGHT.
THE PIPE ACTUALLY GOES UP AND THEN IT COMES DOWN.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A SMOOTH STRIKE.
I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THAT SYSTEM BRINGS THE WATER, THE STORMWATER, AND THE STORMWATER VOLUME TO THE LU SIDE BY GRAVITY.
IF, IF THERE IS AN EXCESSIVE, EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF RAIN, WAY BEYOND A HUNDRED YEAR STORM, THE WATER WILL CLIMB UP THE PIPE, GO TO THE MIDDLE OF THAT HOLE AND ELEVATE ITSELF TO THE EXIT POINT THAT WILL THEN BE CONNECTED INTO THE STREET.
SO, SO WHERE THE PIPE GOES UP, THAT'S ACTUALLY A DRAIN TO THE ROAD.
SO ONE CASE IT DRAINS TO THE LEFT AND THE OTHER CASE IT DRAINS TO THE RIGHT.
NOBODY EVER ASK ME THOSE QUESTIONS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? BOARD? OKAY.
I'D LIKE TO SET THIS FOR A PUBLIC IS THAT NOBODY'S GOING TO BE PARKING ON THE, ON THE STRIP IN FRONT OF THE HOUSES.
ARE THERE A SIGNAGE OR ANYTHING FOR THAT? WHAT'S THE PARKING SITUATION ON THE STREET? WELL, AMELIA, IT WON'T CHANGE.
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THE, THE, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY PARKING ALLOWED IN CCO ON SCO ROAD.WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NEW ROAD.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PRIVATE ROAD.
WILL YOU, WILL THERE BE PARKING ALLOWED IN FRONT OF THE HOUSES ON THAT ROAD? I, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE FUTURE OWNERS.
I'M SURE THEY WILL, THEY'LL ESTABLISH IT'S AN ISSUE.
IT'S AN ISSUE FOR THE FIRE DISTRICT.
FOR THE FIRE, FIRE ENGINES, I WOULD THINK.
I I CAN, I CAN SPEAK TO THE BOARD ABOUT, UM, A RECENT PROJECT, KOTT AVENUE THAT HAD A SIMILAR HAMMERHEAD STYLE.
UH, IT WAS RESTRICTED TO ONLY BEING PERMITTED ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD TO ALLOW FIRE AND EMERGENCY APPARATUS.
HOW WIDE IS THE ROAD? 20 FEET.
RIGHT? IT HAS TO BE JUST ONE SIDE, RIGHT? IT'S GONNA BE ONE.
BUT ACTUALLY, DO YOU EVEN WANT PARKING AT ALL WITHIN THE HAMMERHEAD? PROBABLY NOT, RIGHT? NO, NOT WITHIN THE HAMMERHEAD, BUT ALONG THE, ALONG THE SETS, IT'S ONE HAVE TO BE ONE SIDE.
IT'S ONE SIDE TO THE HAMMERHEAD.
THE NO PARKING FROM THE HAMMERHEAD.
OUR PROPOSED ROAD IS, IS THE NOT STANDARD, UH, WIDTH OF, OF A TOWN ROAD.
BUT, BUT IF YOU HAVE, IF, IF YOU HAVE A 20 FOOT ROAD AND YOU GOT TWO CARS, ONE ON EACH SIDE, YOU'VE GOT NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
YOU, YOU PROBABLY HAVE ABOUT SIX FEET LEFT.
YOU HAVE ABOUT 6 46 FEET LEFT THE BICYCLE DAY.
SO, UH, ON THE, ON THE FAR SIDE, YOU KNOW YOU HAVE PARKING AND THEN YOU HAVE NO PARKING ON THE INSIDE.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD PUT AS A CONDITION.
BUT WHEN YOU UPDATE THE PLAN, WE IDENTIFY THE SIGNAGE FOR THE SNOW STORAGE.
WE SHOULD DO THE SAME WITH THE PARKING SIGNAGE.
SO YOU'RE SIX FEET IN BETWEEN.
IF YOU HAVE BOTH SIDES, IT'S NOT, NOT ENOUGH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
THEN WE'RE GONNA SET A PUBLIC HEARING FORWARD.
IS IT DECEMBER? UH, I'M SORRY.
I'M, I'M RUNNING AHEAD NOVEMBER 16TH.
UH, WE'LL GET THE NOTICES TOGETHER AND THE SIGNAGE AND WE'LL BE IN TOUCH TOMORROW.
HAVE A GOOD, BE RESPONSIBLE FOR STREET LIGHTING AS WELL.
THEY HAVE TO INSTALL STREET LIGHTING TO THE TOWN SPEC.
UM, THEY'LL COORDINATE THE D P W ON THAT QUESTION.
THEY DON'T WANNA DEDICATE THE ROAD.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD, YEAH, BECAUSE WE RUN INTO ISSUES WITH THAT BEFORE, PARTICULARLY ON, UH, WHEN AN APPLICANT WANTS TO DEDICATE
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT DIFFERENT STREETLIGHTS THAT DON'T MATCH THE TOWN SPECS.
SO IN THIS CASE, IT'S STILL A GOOD QUESTION, EVEN IF IT'S GONNA BE PRIVATE, WE OBVIOUSLY WANT IT TO BE LIT AND WE'RE GONNA WANT TO DETAIL ON THE DRAWING.
SO WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET THAT UPDATED AND INCLUDED AS WELL.
CAN YOU MENTION IT? I HAVE IT IN MY NOTES.
UH, THEN WATERCOURSE PERMIT, THIS IS ONE THAT, UH, MATT HAD PRESENTED TO US BRIEFLY AND WE'VE ASKED TO REVIEW IT.
UH, AND THEN WE CAN DO ONE OR TWO THINGS AFTER WE HEAR FROM MATT AND THE APPLICANT TONIGHT.
WE CAN, WE CAN GIVE IT BACK TO MATT TO, TO DO THIS WITHOUT A PUBLIC HEARING OR WE CAN DECIDE TO SEND IT TO PUBLIC HEARING.
SO, UH, LET'S LISTEN TO WHAT THE APPLICANT AND MATT HAVE TO SAY ON THIS.
AND THEN WE WILL, WE'LL MAKE A DECISION ON THAT BEFORE MATT STARTS.
JUST EVERYONE PULL THE MICS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER SO THAT, UH, I'VE HEARD THAT IT'S A LITTLE, A LITTLE LIKE IF YOU CAN PULL IT ON THE SIDE.
MATT, WE'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO YOU.
UH, SO THIS APPLICATION IS, UH, FOR PB 22 DASH ZERO SIX VINTI ONE AMANDA COURT.
UH, THE APPLICANT WISHES TO CONSTRUCT, UH, A COUPLE OF MINOR DECK EXPANSIONS AND AN ABOVE GROUND POOL.
THE UNIQUENESS OF THIS PROPERTY IS THAT THE REAR YARD IS MAJORITY TAKEN UP BY A LARGE BUT SHALLOW POND.
UH, THE ONLY DISTURBANCE TO THE GROUND IS COMING FROM THE DECK.
NEW DECK POSTS REQUIRED, UH, TO REQUIRED, UH, TO SUPPORT THE DECK CONDITIONS.
THE POOL WILL BE ABOVE GROUND AND WILL NOT BE DUG INTO THE GROUND.
THE, THE AREA IS TERRACE, UH, SEVERAL FEET ABOVE THE POND.
AND THE DECK WILL BE, UH, WE'LL HAVE SPACE BETWEEN THE
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BOARDS FOR RAINWATER TO FALL THROUGH TO THE GROUND WHERE IT CAN BE ABSORBED.UH, THERE IS A PROFILE VIEW HERE OF THE POOL RIGHT HERE.
HERE'S THE POOL IN THE DECK EDITION.
THE POST GO INTO THE GROUND, THE POOL STAYS ABOVE THE GROUND.
IT ALL IS ROUGHLY THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE EXISTING DECK.
AND THERE'S SOME MINOR STAIR ADDITIONS.
THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN BEFORE THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL, UH, WHICH ISSUED A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, SO YOU GUYS, YOU, THE BOARD MAY ELECT TO TURN IT OVER TO ME, UH, UNDER SECTION TWO 80 DASH EIGHT B ONE OF THE TOWN CODE.
UH, AS IT DOES QUALIFY AS A MINOR WETLANDS PROJECT, UH, YOU CAN OF COURSE ASK ME OR THE APPLICANT ANY QUESTIONS WE HAVE MR. VAN ON.
UM, OR THE BOARD MAY ELECT TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER.
UM, WHEN YOU'RE DRAINING THE POOL, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE WATER? SO THE APPLICANT HAS REPRESENTED THAT THE POOL WATER WILL BE TRUCKED OFF SITE AND THAT WILL OF COURSE BE A CONDITION OF ANY APPROVAL.
IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, DRAINAGE AS A RESULT OF THE SPACE BEING TAKEN UP BY THE POOL? UH, NO.
POOLS ARE CONSIDERED, NOT CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
UH, 'CAUSE THE WATER, WE'RE JUST COLLECTING THE POOL.
IS A FENCE REQUIRED AROUND AN ABOVE GROUND POOL? BECAUSE FROM THE DIAGRAM, I DON'T KNOW NONE UNLESS I'M LOOKING AT IT INCORRECTLY.
THE FENCE DOES NOT COMPLETELY LOOP THE POOL.
IS THAT UP TO CODE AARON? I MEAN, IT'S ON THE SECOND LEVEL, SO I'M NOT SURE THAT WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.
FIND OUT FROM OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IN GROUND OR ABOVE GROUND.
YEAH, I CAN LOOK THROUGH THE, THE CODE AS WELL'S NOT ON THE SECOND LEVEL.
THE GROUND, THE POOL IS RAISED.
YOU COULD TAKE STEPS UP TO THE DECK.
STILL A LITTLE FENCE AROUND THE WHOLE POOL.
THAT THAT POOL WILL BE ENTIRELY ENCLOSED IN, UH, FOUR FOOT LIGHT FENCE.
IT'LL BE A COMPLETELY QUALIFIED FENCE.
LOOK FROM MY, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS MY PERSPECTIVE ON THIS PROJECT.
YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE OF FENCES FOR THE POOL, SO ON AND SO FORTH, THAT'S A BUILDING DEPARTMENT ISSUE THAT'S NOT BEFORE US.
I ASSUME THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, TOWN REGULATIONS WHICH WILL BE FOUND.
WE'RE ASKED TO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A WET WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT DEALING WITH 11 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE.
I THINK WE SHOULD DO AS LITTLE AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE WITHIN OUR LEGAL RIGHTS WITH RESPECT TO THIS APPLICATION AND LET IT GO FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE LEGAL PARAMETERS.
'CAUSE 11 SQUARE FEET DOESN'T MOVE ME UNLESS I'M PART OF THAT 11, WHICH I DON'T THINK I AM.
I HAVE ONE, ONE MORE QUESTION BEFORE IS I'M LOOKING AT THE PICTURES THAT, UH, ON THIS ONE, I THINK THIS WETLAND NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP, SO I DON'T OH, SO ACTUALLY, UH, AND MATT MIGHT HAVE INFORMATION ON THIS.
I BELIEVE THEY DID WANT TO PERFORM SOME MAINTENANCE.
'CAUSE IN A MORE, EVEN A MORE RECENT, UM, RAIN EVENT, THERE WAS A LOT OF SEDIMENT THAT MOVED THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
THIS, THERE'S A STREAM CONNECTED ON THE UP, YOU KNOW, UPSTREAM AND DOWNSTREAM.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST AN ISOLATED POND AREA.
AND THEY WERE WORKING WITH THE TOWN TO PERFORM MAINTENANCE TO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA SAY DREDGE, BUT TO CLEAN OUT SOME OF THE SEDIMENT FROM THE POND SO THAT IT'S MORE FREE FLOWING THAN IT, THAN IT HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY.
SO THEY'VE BEEN RECEPTIVE TO THAT.
THERE IS A WATERCOURSE, BUT PURPOSE, WE USUALLY REQUEST THEM TO CLEAN UP THE, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY.
SO MATT, IS THAT CORRECT? CAN WE DO THAT? YES.
I HEARD, WAS THERE MOTIONAL WATER FROM SOMEBODY? I MOVED THAT WE TURN THIS OVER TO MATT AS A MINOR WETLAND.
BEFORE WE TAKE, WE HAVE A DISCUSSION.
AMANDA, DO BEFORE WE VOTE, DID YOU EVER, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, IS THERE ANY, IS THE POOL EQUIPMENT LOCATED ON THE DECK AS WELL? ANY POOL EQUIPMENT ASSOCIATED? OKAY.
IS THE POOL EQUIPMENT LIKE THE FILTER LOCATED ON THE DECK OR BELOW? UH, IT WILL BE, SEE WHERE IT SAYS 14 SIX OVER THERE BY THE, UH, AIR CONDITIONING UNITS.
IS THAT AT, AT GRADE, RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S RIGHT WHERE YOUR HAND IS.
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THAT LITTLE HAND THING.THAT 14 FOOT, THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE IT'S ON THERE BY, THAT'S WHERE THE AIR CONDITIONING UNITS ARE EXISTING GRADE.
BUT AWAY FROM THE PONDS? NOT RIGHT NOW.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO TURN THIS OVER TO MATT.
THEY, THEY SORT OF FALLS WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO CLEAN UP THE, UH, THEY'VE ALREADY AGREED TO DO THAT.
I'LL PAUSE ABSTENTIONS PASSES.
OKAY, WE'RE RUNNING VERY WELL SO FAR.
THIS ONE COULD BE INTERESTING.
OKAY, MS. GARRIS, ARE YOU AVAILABLE? YOU CAN UNMUTE.
UH, THIS IS GOOD EVENING, MS. GAR.
LET ME ANNOUNCE THE CASE AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.
UH, THIS IS CASE PB 2223 UNITED, UH, REFRIGERATION AT FOUR 20 RIVER ROAD.
IT'S FOR AMENDED SITE PLAN, AND THIS IS A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE.
UH, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS TAKE AN EXISTING FOOTPRINT AND EXPAND IT BY GOING UPWARD, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY.
AND GENERAL WILL DESCRIBE THAT FOR US.
MS. GARRIS WILL DESCRIBE THIS FOR US.
IT REQUIRES SOME VARIANCES AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT ON THE OTHER END.
BUT WHY DON'T WE HAVE MS. GARRIS PRESENT THE, THE PROJECT.
AARON HAS A COUPLE COMMENTS FIRST AND THEN OVER TO MS. GARRIS.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE BOARD, UH, THAT IT IS A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE.
THERE HASN'T BEEN A FORMAL APPLICATION SUBMITTAL, SO THE APPLICANT'S GONNA BE SEEKING FEEDBACK QUES, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS LIKE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
UM, I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO MS. RIS.
SO GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
THANKS FOR HAVING US THIS EVENING.
UM, AS THE CHAIRMAN AND, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER MENTIONED RESUBMISSION CONFERENCE, UH, ON BEHALF OF UNITED REFRIGERATION IN CONNECTION WITH OUR PROPERTY, LOCATED AT FOUR 20 SALMON RIVER ROAD IN ELMSFORD.
UM, UNITED REFRIGERATION IS, UH, A COMPANY THAT CARRIES TOP BRAND NEW PRODUCTS, UM, FOR, UH, MECHANICAL CONTRACTORS, SUPERMARKETS, UM, SERVICE MECHANICS, LARGE INDUSTRIALS, AND THEY ESSENTIALLY FOCUS ON, UH, H HVAC AND REFRIGERATION NEEDS.
UM, JOINING ME THIS EVENING ALSO IS JEFFREY JORDAN.
HE IS THE PROJECT ARCHITECT ON THIS MATTER.
AND SO WE WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROPOSED EXPANSION OF THEIR, UH, UM, WAREHOUSE FACILITY ON THIS PROPERTY.
SO THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN IB DISTRICT OF THE TOWN.
IT CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY TWO AND A HALF ACRES.
IT'S 2.49 ACRES, AND IT'S ABOUT 300 FEET FROM THE INTERSECTION OF, UH, SALMAN RIVER ROAD.
AND, UH, I THINK IT IS HUNTER.
UH, UH, YOU KNOW, AS, AS, AS MENTIONED, CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A ONE STORY BUILDING.
IT'S ABOUT A 40,000 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT AND IT HAS, UH, RELATED PARKING.
THERE ARE EXISTING, UH, APPROXIMATELY 30 PARKING SPACES ON THE SITE.
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT APPROVAL'S HISTORY OF THE SITE.
UM, BUT, UH, BASED ON THE SITE THAT THAT BUILDING, UM, IT DOES NOT CURRENTLY COMPLY WITH REQUIRED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.
SO WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING HERE IS TO EXPAND THEIR FACILITY.
UM, THEY HAVE A REAL NEED FOR AN EXPANSION HERE AND THEY WOULD REALLY LIKE TO STAY IN TOWN AND ADD THIS PROPERTY.
SO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING ON THIS PROPERTY IS A TWO STORY ADDITION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING.
I THINK THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION, UM, ON THE AGENDA, WHICH MENTIONED THE DEMOLITION OF, UH, OF THE PROPERTY, OF THE EXISTING WAREHOUSE.
BUT, UH, IT IS NOT, IT'S NOT PROPOSED TO BE DEMOLISHED.
IT'S PROPOSED TO BE A TWO STORY ADDITION.
UM, SO, UH, AGAIN, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THAT 40, 40,000 SQUARE FOOTPRINT, UH, GOING UP TWO AREAS FOR APPROXIMATELY 120,000, A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT, A HUNDRED TWENTY SEVEN HUNDRED FIFTY FIVE SQUARE FEET.
UM, BECAUSE OF THE SITE CONSTRAINTS, THERE WOULD BE, WE BELIEVE FOUR
SO IF WE DO THIS AGAIN, WE WOULD GO UP TO STORE FOR 120,000 SQUARE FEET, UM, AND WE WOULD PROVIDE, UH, 34 PARKING SPACES, UH, AT,
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ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY.SO FILLING THIS SIZE, UH, UNDER THE ZONING ORDINANCE, UM, THERE WOULD BE 121 PARKING SPACES REQUIRED.
AND, UH, AGAIN, WE WOULD BE PROPOSING 34 OUTSIDE PARKING SPACES.
UM, AND I'LL MENTION ALL OF THE DIFFERENT VARIANCES AND THEN I'LL GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE PARKING.
UH, SO HEIGHT IN THE IB DISTRICT IS, IS, UH, MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 25 FEET AND TWO STORIES.
WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THREE STORIES AND 73 FEET IN HEIGHT.
AND THEN WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR AN INCREASE IN MAXIMUM COVERAGE FROM 30 TO 37%.
SO GOING BACK TO THE PARKING, UM, THE PROPOSED, UH, ADDITION.
AND SO, SO THE USER OF THIS PROPERTY HAS A VERY, UM, VERY LOW NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES LOCATED IN THIS BUILDING.
AND IF THEY WERE ABLE TO, UH, EXPAND AND CONSTRUCT THAT ADDITION, THAT NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES WOULD REMAIN THE SAME.
SO THEY TYPICALLY DO NOT NEED MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR EIGHT PARKING SPACES ON THIS PROPERTY ON A REGULAR BASIS A COUPLE OF TIMES A YEAR WHEN THEY DO SOME TRAINING, MAYBE THEY NEED 20 PARKING SPACES.
SO THERE'S REALLY NOT, UH, A DEMAND FOR PARKING.
BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, THEY, AND, AND IF THEY WERE ALLOWED TO DO THIS, THIS WOULD BE THEIR PERMANENT HOME AND THEY WOULD NOT LOOK TO LEAVE ANYTIME IN THE FUTURE.
HOWEVER, I KNOW THAT WHEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT OF SITE, YOU DO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WELL WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEBODY ENDS UP LEAVING THE PROPERTY? AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE WE WHEN THAT HAPPENS? SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE PROVIDED IS THE ABILITY TO CONVERT THE FIRST FLOOR OF THIS WAREHOUSE BUILDING TO INDOOR PARKING, WHICH WOULD, UH, GIVE THE APPLICANT THE ABILITY TO LAND BANK 55 SPACES WITHIN THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WOULD BRING THE PARKING SPACES ON THE SITE TO, UH, 87 PARKING SPACES.
AND SO DEPENDING ON HOW IT WAS CLASSIFIED, THE VARIANCE WOULD BE FOR, UH, EITHER, UH, 32 SPACES, UH, OR 87 SPACE, DEPENDING ON, UM, HOW THAT WAS REVIEWED.
SO, UH, AS I MENTIONED, JEFFREY JORDAN IS HERE.
HE CAN, UH, PULL UP A, A PLANS FOR YOU AND SHOW YOU WHAT'S PROPOSED.
AND THEN WE ARE VERY INTERESTED IN YOUR FEEDBACK.
AS I MENTIONED, UNITED REFRIGERATION HAS BEEN, UH, AT THIS SITE FOR SOME TIME.
THEY'RE LOOKING TO STAY HERE, THEY'RE LOOKING TO MAKE THEIR PERMANENT HOME HERE, BUT THEY NEED MORE SPACE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE PROPOSING THE ADDITION TO THIS BUILDING.
UM, JEFFREY WILL SHOW YOU SOME, UH, AS I MENTIONED, SOME PLANS AND, UM, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS SOME EXTENSIVE SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING ON THE SITE, WHICH WOULD ACTUALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT BLEND INTO, UM, TO, UH, TO THE AREA THERE SO THAT IT WOULDN'T BE, UH, OBTRUSIVE.
YOU COULD I, CAN I ASK A PRELIMINARY QUESTION? SURE.
UM, I'M LOOKING AT SOMETHING CALLED SITE PLAN WITH PARKING A DASH 0 0 5.
IT'S DATED, I DUNNO, DATE IS THAT, IS THAT OH YEAH.
UM, IS THAT, IS THAT THE CORRECT SITE PLAN? AM I LOOKING AT THE RIGHT DOCUMENT? YES, THIS IS THE CORRECT SIDE PLAN.
UH, YES, THIS IS THE CORRECT SIDE PLAN.
AND, AND, AND TO THE RIGHT OF THE, UH, PLAN.
I DON'T KNOW WHICH DIRECTION IT'S, I GUESS IT'S EAST.
IT SAYS ONE STORY, BRICK AND STUCCO BUILDING NUMBER FOUR 20.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE EXISTING BUILDING.
YEAH, BUT I THOUGHT THIS IS A SITE PLAN.
I MEAN, SITE PLAN TO ME MEANS WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, EXISTING CONDITIONS, IT'S WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.
BUT YOU'RE TELLING ME THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, IT'S THE EXISTING CONDITION FOOTPRINTS, AND, YOU KNOW, WE ARE HERE FOR PRE-SUBMISSION, SO, ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT, ALRIGHT.
JEFF AND THE FOOTPRINTS, DENTICAL, YOU HAVEN'T PUT YOUR PLANS TOGETHER YET.
AND, AND ON THE LEFT SIDE IT SAYS TWO-STORY BRICK BUILDING.
UM, IT SEEMS TO BE A SMALL FOOTPRINT.
ARE YOU PLANNING TO, TO DO ANYTHING TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE PARKING? UH, NO, NO.
CAN YOU SEE MY, THAT'S THE WINDOW OF THE PROPERTY RIGHT THERE.
YEAH, YOUR, I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
OH, SO THIS WHERE THE BRICK IS OFFSITE.
SO HALF OF THIS, HALF OF THIS IS SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.
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OKAY.AND, OKAY, SO YOU, YOU, YOU'VE ANSWERED, YOU'VE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.
UM, AND THEN I HAVE A COMMENT.
UM, I MEAN, IT SEEMS TO BE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ZONING VARIANCE IS, WELL, I MANAGED TO LOSE MY PAGE.
HEIGHT IS, IS THE HEIGHT WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, 25 FEET IS PERMITTED AND YOU WANNA GO BASICALLY THREE TIMES AS HIGH TO 73 FEET.
UM, AND THEORETICALLY I DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, A FEELING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT I THINK IF WE ARE EXPECTED TO REASONABLY COMMENT ON THIS PLAN, WE NEED TO SEE SOME RENDERING OF WHAT YOU FOLKS WANT TO DO.
I KNOW YOU DON'T WANNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY, BUT YOU KNOW, A ROUGH PLAN.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE A SITE VISIT SO WE COULD SEE WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
I'M NOT DONE YET, SO WE COULD SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
LOOK, I KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S BASICALLY ALL ASPHALT WITH A COUPLE OF TREES HERE AND THERE, BUT, UM, IF YOU WANT OUR COMMENT, AN INTELLIGENT COMMENT, I, I I THINK I'D LIKE TO GO ON A SIDE VISIT.
I MEAN, I THINK I, HOLD ON FOR ONE SECOND, MS. GARRIS, I JUST WANNA SAY, I WANNA TALK ABOUT PROCESS AFTER SHE'S DONE WITH THE, WITH THIS MICHAEL, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME ISSUES IN TERMS OF JURISDICTION AND WHAT, WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO US VERSUS WHAT MAY BE IMPORTANT TO A DIFFERENT BOARD.
SO, UM, I WANT TO DISCUSS THAT AFTER THEY GET THROUGH WITH THE PRESENTATION.
SO ANY, ARE THERE OTHER THINGS YOU GUYS WANT PRESENT TO US BEFORE I OPEN UP TWO QUESTIONS FROM THE, FROM THE COURT? WELL, I THINK THE ER'S GOT SET A DRAWING I CAN SHOW YOU.
I CAN PUT THROUGH THE DRAWING WHAT YOU, WHAT THE PROPOSED BUILDING WOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS BAND OF WINDOWS RUNNING ALONG ON THE LOWER RIGHT HAND SIDE, THAT'S THE LIMIT OF THE FIRST FLOOR THAT GOES LIKE THAT.
AND WE BASICALLY REPEATED THE PATTERN OF THE FIRST FLOOR AND BROUGHT IT UP.
SO WE HAVE THESE TWO ADDITIONAL FLOORS, AND THIS IS LOOKING FROM THE SOUTHEAST.
THIS IS THE SPORT TIME BUILDING RIGHT HERE.
AND THIS OTHER LOWER LEFT IMAGE IS TAKEN FROM BASICALLY IF YOU'RE LOOKING ABOVE SAW RIVER ROAD, UH, EAST, THIS IS THE WAY A BUILDING LOOKS.
SO WE SOME TREES HERE IN THE PARKING LOT.
AND THEN IF YOU LOOK INTO THE UPPER TWO PHOTOS, THIS IS THE NORTH BORDER OF THE PROPERTY AND WE'RE PUTTING IN, UH, WE'RE CHANGING 90% OF THE VEGETATION THERE.
IT'S A LOT OF, UM, UH, I WOULD SAY THE, THE NON, NON-NATIVE SPECIES.
SO WE'RE PUTTING IN NATIVE SPECIES AND WE'RE PUTTING IN, UH, SO MAYBE 15 OR 20 FOOT HIGH EVERGREENS TO START JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE RESIDENCE IS HERE HAVE A BLOCKED VIEW OF THE WAREHOUSE.
SO JEFFREY, LET ME JUST JUMP IN MOMENTARILY.
SO IT DOES SAY ON THAT FRONT IT SAYS RENDERING ON PHOTO PROPOSED UNITED REFRIGERATION.
SO IT, YOU SEE THOSE EVERGREENS, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE THERE NOW.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THERE, THERE ARE, THERE IS EXISTING VEGETATION ALONG THAT, THAT PROPERTY LINE THAT SEPARATES THE SITE FROM ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL.
THEY'RE MAINLY INVASIVE AND IN POOR CONDITION WOULD LIKELY MAKE SENSE FOR THE APPLICANT TO ELIMINATE MOST, IF NOT ALL OF THAT STRETCH, START FRESH WITH, YOU KNOW, HEALTHY NATIVE VEGETATION.
SOUNDS LIKE THEY'RE WILLING TO PUT IN, YOU KNOW, A TYPICAL PLANTED SIZE CAN BE BETWEEN FIVE AND 10 FEET.
THEY MAY BE WILLING TO PUT IN A 15 TO 20 FOOT TREES TO GIVE SOME INITIAL SCREENING.
WHAT YOU SEE IN THE RENDERING IS FEET, THE, IS THE, YOU KNOW, MATURE HEIGHT OF THE PLANTING 50, 60 FEET HIGH.
IT'S TALLER THAN THE BUILDING.
WELL, YEAH, SOME OF THOSE EVERGREENS WILL GET 75 FEET TALL, BUT YOU KNOW, IT WON'T, THEY WON'T BE PLANTED AT 75 1.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL, UH, WHEN WE'RE DO DOING THIS EXERCISE, UM, IS A TOPO FOR NOT ONLY THE, THE, THE SITE PLAN BUT SURROUNDING PROPERTY.
AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS IF YOUR RENDERING IS ACCURATE, WHICH I ASSUME IT IS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, UH, NEIGHBORING BUILDING IN THE TOP PHOTO, YOUR TOP LEFT PHOTO THERE IS ROOF IS ACTUALLY THE SAME HEIGHT OR HIGHER THAN WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, OR THEY'RE PRETTY DARN CLOSE, WHICH WOULD LEAD YOU TO BELIEVE.
IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, IT IT IS CORRECT.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A STEEP DECLINE BETWEEN OKAY, THAT BUILDING ON THE LEFT AND THE
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WAREHOUSE.I WOULD SUGGEST YOU DO A TOPO OF THE WHOLE OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY WITH IT SO PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT IN, IN THE CONTEXT OF, OF THIS.
SO IT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S NECESSARILY THAT'S GONNA TOWER OVER EVERYTHING, UH, NEXT DOOR, LIKE, LIKE A CROSS SECTION.
INCLUDE THE, THE ADJACENT BUILDINGS.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
YOU MEAN A SECTION DRAWING? YEAH.
YOU DON'T MEAN A TOP SECTIONAL DRAWING TOPPER WOULD HELP ME TOO.
I COULD DO IT TO GIVE A SENSE OF THE VISUAL, UM, IMPACT.
LET ME SHOW YOU THE SIDE PINE HERE.
YOU CAN SEE, AND LET ME MAKE IT A LITTLE BIGGER HERE IN THE, YOU SEE HOW DEEP, HOW STEEP THE SLOPE IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND THAT THAT ADJACENT BUILDING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS RIGHT HERE.
IF YOU DO THE CROSS SECTION LIKE WE'RE SUGGESTING MM-HMM.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO TELL US BEFORE I ASK, UH, THE BOARD FOR OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, I, I CAN SHOW YOU.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I THINK THAT HE DIDN'T REALLY GET TO SHOW YOU THE DRAWINGS THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, HE'S PREPARED THIS AHEAD LANDSCAPING PLAN.
SO, SO THIS IS A BLOWN UP, UH, PHOTO OF THE IMAGE OF THE PARKING LOT SHOWING THAT A, A WV 67 TRACTOR TRAILER, WHICH IS ABOUT SEVEN FEET LONG CAN PULL IN AND THEN BACK INTO THE LOADING DOCK, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE.
AND WE HAVE 34 OUTDOOR SPACES, INCLUDING A HANDICAPPED VAN AND A, AND A HANDICAPPED SPACE.
I, I'LL GO THIS THROUGH THIS QUICKLY.
THE SAME PARKING ABOUT THE CAR.
AND I WANTED TO ADD ONE THING.
I THINK, JEFFREY, AREN'T WE REDUCING OR PROPOSING TO REDUCE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE OVER THE EXISTING OH, WELL YEAH, WE ARE.
THIS, THIS IS THE PLANTED AREA HERE AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL STUDYING IT.
WE'D LIKE TO HAVE YOU, UH, GO ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE.
BUT I THINK FOR THE TRUCK TURNAROUND, WE, WE CUT THE, THE, UH, PLANTING AREA IN HALF, BUT WE ARE CREATING PLANTING AREAS AND UH, SO THIS IS WHERE THE CARS, AND THEN THIS IS THE EXISTING, UH, FIRST FLOOR PLAN OF THE WAREHOUSE.
AND IT'S CHANGED BECAUSE THIS AREA HERE, THEY HAVE A STORE WHERE THEY SELL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AND IT GENERATES A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THAT STORE OUT AND PUT WAREHOUSE SPACE HERE.
AND BASICALLY THE PLAN HAS REMAINED THE SAME THAT WE'VE ADDED FIRE STAIRS AND ELEVATOR.
AND DOWN HERE IN THE LOWER LEFT IS WHERE TWO TRUCKS CAN PULL IN INTO THE EXISTING BUILDING AND ACTUALLY BE PROTECTED FROM THE WEATHER.
AND THEN THIS IMAGE HERE, LEMME SEE BIGGER.
THIS IS THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE BUILDING AND HERE IN THE LOW WHERE THE TRUCK DOCK, WHERE THE TRUCK DOCK IS, WE PUT A RAMP GOING UP AND A RAMP GOING DOWN.
THIS IS THE LAND BANK PARKING PLAN.
SO WE
AND SO IF, IF UNITED THE REFRIGERATION EVER DID SELL THE BUILDING, A NEW TENANT COULD PUT IN ANOTHER 55 INDOOR PARKING SPACES.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? THERE'S ONLY ONE HANDICAP PARKING SPOTS.
AND WHERE ARE THEY? THEY'RE OUTSIDE.
WELL, THERE'S ENTRANCE OUTSIDE UNLESS, WELL, YEAH, RIGHT.
J JEFFREY, YOU WANNA SHOW THE OUTDOOR HANDICAPPED PARKING SPACE SPACES? I JUST, I JUST WAS, SO THERE'S THE HANDICAPPED VAN AND HERE'S THE HANDICAPPED, UH, CAR SPACE.
SO AT THE MAIN ENTRY TO THE BUILDING, WOULD THAT BE ACCURATE? WHERE ADJACENT DO IT? YEAH.
HERE'S, HERE'S THE STEPS UP INTO THE MAIN ENTRY AND HERE'S A RAMP RUNNING UP TO THE MAIN ENTRY ADJACENT TO THE, THOSE ARE EXIST.
AND THIS IS THE TRUCK DOCK HERE, RIGHT? SO, SO WHEN YOU SEE TO PUT THESE PLANS TOGETHER, UH, LET'S SEE.
I CAN FIND THAT IN THE INDOOR PARKING.
AGAIN, I CAN'T SEEM TO FIND THE INDOOR PARKING HERE, BUT I THINK THE PLANS DISAPPEARED OR SOMETHING, BUT OH, WE THAT'S OKAY.
THAT'S ONLY IF IT EVER GETS CONVERTED.
WHAT'S EXISTING AND WHAT IS PROPOSED IS TWO, THE THIRD FLOOR IS A STAND, IT'S JUST NOW EXISTING IS A ONE FLOOR BUILDING WITH OUTSIDE PARKING.
TO DO IT'S PROPOSED IS A THREE STORY BUILDING WITH OUTSIDE PARKING.
EXCEPT THEY'RE GONNA LAND LAND BANK.
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THEY WAIT, THEY'RE BELOW WHAT WOULD REQUIRED UNDER OUR CODE FOR PARKING.SO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, AND, AND AMANDA CHECKED THIS OUT FOR US THE OTHER DAY, LAND BANKING 55 SPACES INSIDE, IN CASE SOME IT CHANGES OWNERSHIP.
AND AND THEY NEED THOSE SPACES, RIGHT.
BECAUSE THEY'RE DEMONSTRATING THAT THEY ONLY, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE 30 SOME OUT ON THE OUTSIDE OPERATIONALLY, THEY ONLY NEED EIGHT TO 10.
MY QUESTION IS HOW DO THEY GET UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR? IT'S A, IS A AROUND WHERE THE LOADING DOCK IS, THEY WOULD CONVERT TO A RAMP.
AND BUT THAT DOESN'T SHOW UP ON YEAH, IT'S ON THE DRAWING.
I THINK, UH, SOMEHOW I'M LOOKING AT WHAT DEBRA SUBMITTING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW DO YOU GET A TRUCK UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR NOW? NO, NO, NO.
THEY DON'T HAVE A SECOND FLOOR.
NO, I'M SAYING FOR THEM, NOT FOR THE, WITHOUT THE LIMB THERE.
HOW, HOW DO YOU ACCESS THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR? UH, OR WHAT CAN YOU ACCESS? IS THERE AN ELEVATOR OR HOW DO YOU ACCESS THOSE FLOORS? LOOK AT THIS PLAN.
HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PLAN, THERE'S A, THAT'S A BIG FREIGHT ELEVATOR.
AND THEN, UH, AND THEN THERE'S STAIRS ON EITHER SIDE FOR FIRE RES.
BIG ENOUGH FOR WHAT? BIG ENOUGH FOR, FOR, UH, FOR, FOR A FORKLIFT OR SOMETHING BIGGER.
UH, BIGGER FOR BIG ENOUGH FOR A FORKLIFT, YEAH.
BUT FOR, UH, BIG CONDENSING UNITS THAT ARE THE KIND OF CONDENSING UNIT THAT GOES ON TOP OF A SUPERMARKET OR ON TOP OF A BUILDING.
SO THE FORKLIFT WOULD BE BE WHAT SHOULD BE USING TO TAKE THE STUFF OFF THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR, RIGHT? RIGHT.
IF YOU EXPLAIN THE OPERATION OF IT, BECAUSE I'M STILL NOT CLEAR, WHERE DOES THAT, THE FORKLIFT GOES, GOES OUT TO THE, UH, SECOND, SECOND GROUND FLOOR WHERE THEY PICK UP THE UNITS, THE VERY LARGE FREIGHT ELEVATOR THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THE FORKLIFT.
BUT WHERE DO THE FORKLIFT COMES AND GOES? ALL THINGS CAN BE MOVED BETWEEN THE FLOOR VIA THAT ELEVATOR ON THE FORKLIFT AND CAN BE LOADED TO THE TRUCK, WHICH PULLS INTO THE LOADING DOCK AT THE FIRST FLOOR.
BUT THE FIRST FLOOR HAS A PARKING, NO, IT LAND BANK.
THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BUILD IT OUT.
THEY WON'T LEAVE? NO, IT'S STORAGE.
GOT RIGHT NOW IT'S A WAREHOUSE.
SO IT GONNA REMAIN AS IS UNLESS WAREHOUSE, RIGHT.
OKAY, SO CAN THIS SHOW YOU, HOW DOES THAT WORK WITHOUT PARKING FACE IN THE FUTURE? THERE CAN BE MS. GARY, YOUR AUDIO'S BREAKING UP.
SUCCESS WHERE THE WAREHOUSES RIGHT NOW.
BUT THEY SAID THERE'S, YOU'RE GONNA BUILD ON TOP OF THAT AND WHAT THE WAREHOUSES IS GONNA REMAIN.
BUT WHERE IS THAT, THAT RAMP THAT GOES UP TO IT.
THE RAMP ONLY COMES IN IF THE LAND BANK.
OKAY, SO IT'S A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
POTENTIAL FUTURE POTENTIAL IF NECESSARY.
I THINK IT'LL BE GOOD TO PUT THE NEXT TIME WHEN YOU COME, IT'S PUT DOWN WHAT SORT OF SCENARIOS ARE SCENARIO WITHOUT A LAND BANK? WITH LAND BANK AND HOW DOES A BUILDING GO TO OPERATE? I UNDERSTAND.
NOW AFTER ASKING, ARE THERE OTHER THINGS JEFF OR UH, MS. GARON WANTED TO TELL US? NO, THAT'S PRETTY, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
AND WE DESIGNED THE BUILDING SO IT FIT IN WELL WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND UH, UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YEAH, YOU UH, IT'S A GREAT, UM, IS IT CALLED, YOU KNOW, A, A GREAT BUSINESS IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG? UM, IT REALLY GENERATES AIR TRAFFIC SHOW BACKWARDS, PLEASE.
IT DOESN'T REALLY REQUIRE SERVICES.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD REALLY BE A SHAME IF THEY HAD TO PICK UP THEIR OPERATIONS AND GO SOMEPLACE ELSE BECAUSE THEY'RE FAN AND THEY REALLY NEED TO EXPAND THEIR OPERATIONS.
SO, UH, THEY'D LIKE TO DO IT HERE.
OKAY, WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THINK IF EVERYBODY STARTS GOING TO DO THAT THREE TIMES THOUGH REQUIREMENTS, I THINK THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD LOOK VERY DIFFERENT.
LET'S TALK ABOUT, DO YOU HAVE QUE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? YEAH, I DO.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, MY, MY MY FIRST COMMENT IS THAT, UH, UH, I'M GLAD THAT, UH, UH, THE COMPANY PLANS TO EXPAND IN THE TOWN AS OPPOSED TO MOVING OUT, UH, OUT OF THE TOWN.
AND, UH, DEFINITELY WE COMMIT.
I AM COMMITTED TO SEEING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN.
SEEING HOW THIS IS A PRE-CONFERENCE, UH, MEETING, I WOULD JUST OUTLINE MY CONCERNS AND THEN HOPEFULLY WHEN YOU COME UP WITH THE PLAN
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THAT, UH, YOU WOULD ADDRESS THEM.UH, RIGHT NOW YOU ARE TRIPLING THE MASS OF THE BUILDING.
GO FOR ONE STORY TO THREE STORIES.
UH, AND, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT, UH, TYPE OF SUSTAINABLE ENERGY YOU ARE DOING TO OFFSET THIS NEW MASSIVE BUILDING IN TERMS OF SOLAR PANELING, UH, SOLAR PANELING, THE ROOF.
WHETHER OR NOT IS THIS APPROPRIATE APPLICATION FOR A BISS UH, UH, UM, UH, UH, BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY.
UH, THIS, UH, UH, THIS TOWN JUST APPROVED A NEW, ANOTHER NEW TECHNOLOGY, WHICH IS A, UH, JUST, UH, A BASICALLY IS A FURNACE IN YOUR BURNING IN NATURAL GAS AND IS ELECTROCHEMICAL CATALYST THAT TURNS THAT INTO ELECTRICITY.
WHETHER OR NOT IS A POSSIBILITY FOR PUTTING THAT IN, WHETHER OR NOT IT IS A POSSIBILITY TO INCREASING, UH, UH, UM, THE INSULATION ON YOUR WALLS AND ON YOUR CEILING.
I THINK, UH, YOU NEED TO DO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL THESE THINGS, UH, IN PLACE TO OFFSET THE, THE, THE MASS OF THE BUILDING.
UH, THE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER BUILDINGS AROUND THE AREA, THE, THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING IN ITSELF DOESN'T THROW ME OFF, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A, A SUITABLE SUSTAINABLE ENERGY EFFORTS THAT GOES INTO THIS BUILDING.
WALTER, JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW, FOR THE RECORD, WE JUST STARTED, I DON'T THINK LESLIE'S WITH US TONIGHT.
UH, SHE'S ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF A SUSTAINABLE, YOU, YOU ARE TOO, TO OUR SUSTAINABLE ENERGY COMMITTEE COMMITTEE.
THREE THREE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS, A MEMBER OF A NEW COMMITTEE, UH, THAT IS LOOKING INTO OPTIONS AND OPPORTUNITIES OR SUSTAINABLE ENERGY.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'D LOVE TO SEE IS WHEN WE SEE A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS, UH, IT TRY TO BECOME ENERGY AS ENERGY INDEPENDENT AS IT CAN FROM THE GRID FOR ITS OWN SAKE.
UM, IT'S A GOOD THING GIVEN THE WAY WE'RE GOING.
SO THAT IS A GREAT COMMENT, AND I THINK IT'S A, IT'S UPFRONT FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AS A TOWN, AND WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT REGULARLY ACTUALLY ON, ON NEW DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS.
ANYTHING ELSE, WALTER? NO, THAT'S IT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? YEAH, MY, MY INITIAL CONCERN WAS THREE TIMES THE, THE HEIGHT AND FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA, EVERYBODY ELSE MIGHT BE CONSIDERING DOING IT, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORS FOR THE, THAT FACILITY, YOU HAVE FEDEX, YOU HAVE AMAZON, YOU HAVE, UH, U P S IN THAT AREA AS WELL.
UM, I DON'T THINK ELEVATION WOULD BE SUCH A BAD THING IN PARTICULAR FOR THAT AREA.
IT'S ALL INDUSTRIAL OVERALL, SO EVEN IF EVERYBODY ELSE FOLLOWS SUIT, IT, IT WOULDN'T BE, UH, SUCH A BAD DEAL.
AND I'M THINKING OF THE, THE WESTY STORAGE ON SAWMILL GROWTH.
THIS IS THREE STORIES ALREADY, RIGHT? SO IT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY FROM ANYTHING.
SO PARTICULARLY IF EVERYBODY FOLLOWS SUIT IN TERMS OF BEING ENERGY SUSTAINABLE, THAT, THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S WONDERFUL.
IT WOULD PUT US WAY AHEAD, AHEAD OF EVERYBODY.
BUT REGENERON IS ALREADY DOING THAT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE TAKE A LOT OF LEAD FROM SOME OF THE STUFF THEY'VE DONE, LEAD FROM REGENERON, FROM WHAT THEY'RE DOING AHEAD OF THE GAME.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE COMMENTS? I THINK I'D SECOND WHAT MICHAEL SAID, LIKE SORT OF CONSIDERING THIS IS A MAJOR SORT OF FACILITY THEY'RE BRINGING IN TO HAVE A SITE VISIT.
UM, LET ME GO ON A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PROCESS.
FIRST OF ALL, I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT.
IT, IT WOULD ALSO BE HELPFUL TO US IF THE APPLICANT CAN GIVE US A ROUGH IDEA OF THE HEIGHTS OF THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, THE, FIRST OF ALL, JUST TO MAKE THIS CLEAR, THIS IS A TYPE ONE ACTION UNDER, UNDER SEEKER, UH, IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
THAT HEIGHT IS, IS 'CAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING BEING OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
IS THAT THE REASON AMANDA? AND ALSO IN PARTICULAR, OBJECT, RIGHT? OBJECT IN THE STATE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THAT, THAT IT IS A TYPE ONE ACTION.
UM, TRUTHFULLY, I HAVE A LITTLE DIFFERENT VIEW THAN WHAT YOU JUST HEARD FROM PEOPLE.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS, MOST OF THIS IS OUR, OUR JURISDICTION OR OUR CALL.
I THINK MOST OF THIS IS THE ZONING BOARD'S ISSUE, FRANKLY.
UM, THERE IT'S ALL ABOUT VARIANCES HERE.
OKAY? IT'S NOT ABOUT SITE ISSUES SO MUCH AS IT IS ABOUT VARIANCES.
UM, BUT IT'S A LAND USE, WELL, EVERYTHING IS LAND USE, BUT IN TERMS OF
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WHO REALLY HAS JURISDICTION OVER WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ON THIS PROJECT, IT'S A ZONING BOARD FIRST AND A SECOND.IF, IF THE VARIANCES, THEY DON'T APPROVE THE VARIANCES, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SAFE PLAN.
BUT YOU, THIS, THIS IS, IS NOT UNUSUAL.
IT HAPPENS WITH SOME FREQUENCY AND YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
IT'S BASICALLY A ZONING BOARD ISSUE.
BUT THE ZONING BOARD TOLD US MANY YEARS AGO, THEY APPRECIATE OUR INPUT.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO EITHER GIVE A NEGATIVE, A NEUTRAL OR A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION AND WE REALLY GOTTA GET OUT TO THE SITE.
NO, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH ANYTHING YOU'VE SAID.
WHAT I DO WANT TO SAY IS I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE THE LEAD AGENCY FOR OH, OH, OH, SINCE, SINCE THEY REALLY ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE BIGGER DECISION.
NOW WE COULD RECOMMEND, BUT THEY CAN SAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH PLANNING BOARD, BUT WE DISAGREE BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, JOHANN, THEY NEED TO DECIDE DO THEY WANT TO SET THIS PRECEDENT OR NOT.
THAT'S REALLY NOT OUR DECISION BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO HEAR THESE VARIANCES.
AND HAVE TO DECIDE AND HAVE TO, IF THIS ONE, IF THEY THINK THIS ONE'S DISTINGUISHABLE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO SAY WHY.
NOW, I KNOW MS. GARY SAID THERE ISN'T A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE WITH, UH, THE ZONING BOARD.
UM, AND I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS COMING TONIGHT.
I, I AGREE WITH, UH, MICHAEL GOLDEN IN TERMS OF US GOING OUT AND, AND LOOKING AT THE SITE AND TRYING TO BE AS HELPFUL AS WE POSSIBLY CAN, BUT JUST UNDERSTAND AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S GOING TO END UP BEING A ZONING BOARD DECISION.
HOW WE RECOMMEND, I GUESS WE'LL TRY TO GET THERE WITH YOU GUYS AND YOU KNOW, AND A FOLLOW UP WHEN YOU OFFICIALLY APPLY AND BEFORE WE REFER IT TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR, FOR VARIANCE.
LET ME, LET ME JUST GO OVER THE PROCEDURE.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT CLEAR ABOUT THE PROCEDURE.
IF WE, UH, UH, SAY THAT THE ZONING BOARD SHOULD BE THE LEAD AGENCY, AT WHAT POINT DO WE GIVE A RECOMMENDATION OR IF ANY, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO SECRET TO GIVE A RECOMMENDATION.
YOU HAVE TO DO SECRET TO GIVE A DECISION.
SO WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WHEN WE REFER TO THE ZONING BOARD, WE WOULD SAY WOULD RECOMMEND TO THEM TO BE LEAD AGENCY.
AND IT'S UP TO THEM WHETHER THEY ACCEPT THAT OR NOT.
SO YEAH, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
AND THAT WOULD BE FOLLOWING THE FIRST FORMAL WORK SESSION OF THE PLANNING BOARD, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE AN APPLICATION YET.
ONCE THERE'S A FORMAL APPLICATION, THE BOARD WOULD REVIEW IT IN WORK SESSION AND MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD THAT IT CONSIDER BEING LEAD AGENCY, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD BE ISSUING ITS RECOMMENDATION.
ON THE VARIANCES TO THE Z B A.
IT JUST, IT JUST REVERSE IN THE ORDER, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU STILL HAVE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
THE ZONING BOARD STILL HAVE TO RULE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON, WELL, WE KNOW A, A PROJECT LIKE THIS, WE MAKE RECOMMENDATION, BUT WE, BUT WE, WE TEND TO DO THAT ON ALMOST EVERY PROJECT.
SO IF WE DON'T REALLY FEEL ONE WAY, THE OTHER, WE, WE GIVE 'EM A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION.
SO, UM, MY, I HAVE COUPLE OF QUESTION.
UM, SO, UM, THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE REPURPOSED IN A WAY FOR NOW OR FUTURE WITH THE PARKING UNDERNEATH THERE.
IT'S, NOTHING'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THE PARKING UNLESS THEY, THEY JUST, GOD FORBID THEY MOVE OUT, I HOPE THEY'RE HERE HERE FOREVER.
THEY'RE DEMONSTRATING ON PAPER THAT 55 SPACES COULD BE OUTFIT IN THE FIRST FLOOR.
NECESSARY EITHER FOR THEIR, IF THEIR OWN OPERATIONS CHANGE OR IF UNREASONABLE
SO IF THAT KIND OF ADDITIONAL CARS COMING INTO IT, WHAT IMPACT IT HAS ON THE TRAFFIC OUTSIDE OF IT, IF ANY? I DON'T THINK IT'S RELEVANT.
I'M JUST ASKING QUESTION IN THE EVENT THAT WAS A, A CHANGE IN FUTURE, THAT'S A QUESTION.
WOULD THERE BE ANY IMPACT? AND THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED AT THAT TIME? SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A CHANGE IN USE UNITED REFRIGERATION, CORRECT.
YOU KNOW, 50 YEARS FROM NOW THEY MOVE OUT, MOVE ON, AND A NEW USER COMES IN THE, THAT POTENTIAL IMPACT WOULD BE REVIEWED THAT TIME YOU CAN LOOK AT IT WITH MR. CANNING OR WHATEVER.
BUT NINE A IS A PAGE, IT'S 50, IT'S 55 CAR.
I'M JUST SAYING KEY QUESTION ONE IS LET CHANGES AND YOU END THE IMPACT ON TRAFFIC.
I THINK MS. GAR SAID SOMETHING TO SAY.
DID YOU? NO, I I, YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST BEING SHOWN TO YOU AS AN ALTERNATIVE THAT COULD OCCUR IF, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE TO LEAVE HERE, UM, IF THEY WERE TO LEAVE HERE AND SOMEBODY KNEW WOULD COME IN, IT WOULD BE REVIEWED AT THAT TIME.
SO WHY YOU'RE PRESENTING NO, JUST CURIOUS
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QUESTION.WHY
SO WE COUNT IF NECESSARY FOR, HERE'S ANOTHER CRAZY, LEMME GIVE YOU ANOTHER CRAZY EXAMPLE.
LET'S SAY THEY'RE TOTALLY WRONG, OKAY.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY NEED ALL THOSE SPACES TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THEIR CUSTOMERS.
UNITED, UNITED REFRIGERATION DOES FOR WHATEVER REASON.
OKAY? IF THEY DID, THEY WOULD HAVE TO USE THOSE SPACES, INDOOR SPACES AND CONVERT THEM.
RIGHT? SO WHAT'S THE IMPACT OF IT, IF ANY? I MEAN, QUESTION IS THAT WE ARE LOOKING KIND OF HYPOTHETICAL SITUATIONS TO DO THIS.
WE, WE, WE, WE CAN ASK, WE CAN ASK THE QUESTION MR. CANNING IF WE WANT.
IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE, I'M JUST TRYING TO, IT'S GONNA BE MINIMAL.
I MEAN, RELATIVE TO WHAT'S, KEEP IN MIND THAT, THAT THE VARIANCE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BARKING VARIANCE.
THIS IS A CASE THEY'LL BE MAKING TO THE ZONING BOARD.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A HUNDRED AND X SPACES REQUIRED.
THEY HAVE 34 EXISTING THAT, THAT, THAT ARE USABLE.
THEY CLAIM, AND THEY'LL HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE TO THE ZONING BOARD THAT FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, TODAY, EVEN WITH THE EXPANSION OF THE BUILDING OF 34, THEY REALLY ONLY, THE 34 IS BEYOND WHAT THEY WOULD EVER NEED.
HOWEVER, WE ALSO WANT TO SHOW THE LAND BANK PARKING TO DEMONSTRATE TO THE BOARD THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN GET CLOSER TO THE REQUIRED PARKING IF NECESSARY, THE OTHER AT ANY FUTURE TIME.
THE OTHER OPTION THEY COULD DO, WHICH WOULD ACTUALLY PROTECT US LESS, IS THEY COULD GO FOR VARIANCE FROM A HUNDRED AND, WHAT IS IT, TWENTY ONE, A HUNDRED AND TWENTY ONE TO 34 NOW.
AND THE ZONING BOARD GOES, HEY, GIVEN THIS USE, I'M GONNA GIVE 'EM, GIVE 'EM THAT VARIANCE AND THEN IT'S PERMANENT.
IT GOES WITH THE PROPERTY, WHICH THEY'RE DOING IS MUCH MORE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
I MIGHT ADD WE HAVE, WE HAVE DONE, WE HAVE DONE THIS MANY TIMES IN THE PAST, JUST ON THE SMALL SCALE.
TAKE TWO OR THREE OR FIVE SPACES, DID IT WITH THE SAME ISSUE THAT IF THINGS CHANGE, THEN THOSE ARE PROPER.
WE DID IT WITH THE HEALTH CENTER.
THIS IS JUST THE LARGEST ONE THAT WE HAVE.
BUT THE, THE CONCEPT IS, AND IT'S INDOORS VERSUS OUTDOORS.
SO IT'S, THE CONCEPT IS, BUT, BUT FRANKLY AS THEY SAID, FROM A PROTECTION OF THE TOWN, IT'S NOT A PERMANENT THING.
AT LEAST THERE'S ANOTHER 55 OPTION VERSUS A VARIANCE, WHICH IS PERMANENT.
SO WE'RE BETTER OFF THAN LAND MAKING THE 55 THAN GOING FOR A VARIANCE FROM ONE 20, WHATEVER, 1 21 TO 34.
WE'RE BETTER OFF FROM A FLEXIBILITY POINT.
IT'S A VERY SMART MOVE ON THE APPLICANT'S PART AND IT ACTUALLY HELPS US AT THE SAME TIME.
ONE OTHER COMMENT, UNLESS THE BOARD, DOES ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD COMMENT? ONE OTHER COMMENT AND LET'S MOVE ON.
MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT FOR THE APPLICANT TO AT LEAST BE ABLE TO SHOW THE, TO THE BOARD OR DISCUSS WITH THE BOARD IF A FORMAL APPLICATION'S MADE RELATES TO ANY EXISTING ONSITE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
AND IF THE, IF THERE IS A SYSTEM, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THE SYSTEM? IS IT FUNCTIONING AS DESIGNED? IS IT IN NEED OF ANY MAINTENANCE? UM, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR, FOR THE COURT TO UNDERSTAND.
AND WHAT LEVEL STORM IS IT DESIGNED FOR, WHICH WAS SOMETHING WE EARLIER RIGHT? WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S NO NEW IMPERVIOUS, BUT WE'RE ALWAYS MINDFUL OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IN THE TOWN, PARTICULARLY IN THAT AREA OF TOWN.
LET'S TALK PROCESS AGAIN, JUST SUMMARIZE ON PROCESS ONE, WE'RE GONNA SET UP SOME MINI MEETINGS, SITE VISITS, SITE VISITS.
SO THEY DON'T NEED TO BE NOTICED.
IT'LL BE LIKE THREE PEOPLE AT A TIME JUST TO GO OUT SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE TOPOGRAPHY AND LOOK AT THE SITE.
UM, YOU GUYS WHO HAVE SOME DIRECTION FROM US, I BELIEVE NOW TO COME BACK AND, AND ACTUALLY BUILD, BUILD AN APPLICATION, UH, TO BE PRESENTED BACK TO THIS BOARD.
IT'LL BE PRESENTED BACK TO THIS BOARD FIRST.
UH, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WILL TELL YOU YOU NEED THOSE VARIANCES THAT WILL BE IN THE REPORT.
WE WILL REVIEW IT AND THEN DECIDE ON A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD AT THAT TIME.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, THIS IS A TYPE WILL BE A TYPE ONE ACTION NO MATTER WHAT WE SAY BY LAW.
AND WE WILL RECOMMEND THAT THE ZONING BOARD BE LEAD AGENCY.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE.
DO WE AGREE THAT THEY WILL BE OR WE WILL.
I THINK, I DON'T SEE HOW THEY'RE, THEY SHOULDN'T HOW YOU WOULD OKAY.
RATIONALLY NOT MAKE THEM THE LEAD AGENCY.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE APPLICANT? NO, THANK, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
I, YOU KNOW, ON, ON MY END, I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, REVISIT THE, UH, PRIOR APPROVALS
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FOR THE SITE.YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE VARIANCE FOR COVERAGE, UH, IS EXISTING CONDITION 37%.
WE'RE NOT INCREASING THAT COVERAGE.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE SOME STUFF THAT EXISTS HERE THAT WE'RE NOT AWARE OF.
AND, AND SO I WILL DO A LITTLE BIT OF, WELL, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN MAKE IT SIMPLER, MS. GARRIS.
THE BETTER OFF YOU, BETTER OFF FOR EVERYBODY.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UM, VERY CONSTRUCTIVE COMMENTS AND WE WILL, UH, TAKE THEM BACK TO THE COMPANY AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
THANK, HAVE A GREAT EVENING FOLKS.
SO BETWEEN EIGHT 30 AND NINE AND IT'S GONNA BE EIGHT 30, BETWEEN EIGHT 30 AND NINE.
NEXT, UH, CASE IS MR. STEINITZ AVAILABLE? YES, HE IS.
UH, CASE PB 2224 HARSTEAD, UH, HARTS HILLS HOSPITALITY AT 4 45 NORTH WASHINGTON AVENUE.
IT'S RECITE PLAN PLANNING BOARD STEVE SLOPE PERMIT TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
IT'S A ROUGHLY A LITTLE OVER A HALF ACRE, A LOT, BUT SIX TENTHS OF AN ACRE LOT.
UM, A LITTLE LESS THAN SIX AND 10 TENTHS OF AN ACRE LOT.
IT HAS CURRENTLY GOT A, UH, HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY THAT WILL BE DEMOLISHED.
AND UH, WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS BUILD A, IT ACTUALLY IS ZONE MULTIFAMILY.
'CAUSE THEN THERE'S THIS ONE LITTLE HOUSE.
IT'S SURROUNDED ON ALL SIDES, ALMOST ALL SIDES BY APARTMENT BUILDINGS EXCEPT FOR ONE LITTLE HOUSE NEXT TO IT, WHICH IS AT OUR SEVEN TO FIVE.
EXCHANGE, WE COULD HAVE, WE COULD HAVE, WE COULD HAVE THEORIES, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS.
UM, THEY WANT TO BUILD A MULTI-UNIT, UH, APARTMENT BUILDING.
IT'S EIGHT, EIGHT UNITS, UH, TWO, TWO AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS.
UH, TWO STORIES, TWO STORIES, 16 PAR OFF STREET PARKING SPACES, WHICH IS IN LINE WITH CODE.
UH, THERE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT, UM, VARIANCES REQUIRED.
UH, BUILDING COVERAGE, 18% TO 26%.
UH, FRONT YARD SETBACK FROM 40 TO 30, MINIMUM SIDE YARD, 40 TO 37, REAR YARD 40 TO 10.
AND, UH, ALSO THEY NEED A VARIANCE IN TERMS OF MINIMUM LOT AREA AS A RESULT OF THE DEDUCTIONS FROM THE STEEP SLOPE.
BECAUSE IT IS A SLOPING PROPERTY, IT SLOPES DOWN TO NORTH WASHINGTON AVENUE.
AARON, DO YOU WANT ADD ANYTHING BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO MR. STEINITZ? NO, I THINK YOU COVERED IT.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL.
DAVID STEINITZ FROM THE LAW FIRM OF Z AND STEINITZ.
PLEASED TO BE HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE, UH, PROPOSED DEVELOPER.
MY CLIENT, UH, DEO HENRIQUEZ IS ON, UH, AS WELL AS OUR, WE REALLY BROUGHT OUR ENTIRE TEAM, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST SO THAT EVERYBODY COULD MEET THE BOARD.
UM, DIFFERENT FOLKS FROM OUR TEAM HOPEFULLY WILL BE PARTICIPATING THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
I'M JOINED BY, UH, PETER CATONE AND DIANA GOMEZ FROM OUR PROJECT ENGINEERING TEAM, RAY BE AND FRANK ERO, UH, FROM OUR, UH, ARCHITECTURAL TEAM.
MY PARTNER JAKE AMIR IS ON AS WELL.
UM, I SEE FLORE IS SITTING THERE WITH DEO.
I DIDN'T, UH, KNOW YOU WERE ON AS WELL, FLORE.
I'M GLAD TO SEE YOU'RE HERE TOO.
AND, UM, Q YOU DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF, OF KIND OF IDENTIFYING SOME OF THE BASICS OF THIS PROPOSED APPLICATION IN THIS PRE-SUBMISSION CONTEXT.
AND I WAS HOPING THAT AS THE KIND OF TOWN HISTORIAN, YOU WERE GONNA TELL ME HOW THIS PARCEL ENDED UP, UH, AS IT HAS.
BUT, UH, I THINK, UM, YOU PROPERLY IDENTIFY IT IS, UM, AN INTERESTING, AND I THINK AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THE TOWN.
UH, AND IT, AND IT AT LEAST APPEARS TO BE UNDERUTILIZED WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING THAT DETO AND FLORA ARE ACTUALLY CURRENTLY RESIDING IN.
UH, AND FLORA APPROACHED US SEVERAL MONTHS AGO AND SAID THEY KNEW THEY WERE IN THE MULTI-FAMILY ZONE.
THEY THOUGHT THIS SITE, THOUGH IT PRESENTS SOME TOPOGRAPHIC CHALLENGES, WAS A GOOD LOCATION FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING.
AS YOU'VE INDICATED, UH, THERE IS PLENTY OF MULTIFAMILY APPROXIMATE TO THE SITE.
UM, THE SITE ITSELF IS WALKABLE TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES IN THE TOWN.
UM, SO THEREFORE IT'S INVITING FOR SOME KIND OF REDEVELOPMENT.
THE CONCEPT IS THE CHAIR INDICATED EIGHT MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS.
FOUR WOULD BE THREE BEDROOM, FOUR WOULD BE TWO BEDROOM.
UM, THERE WOULD BE ONE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNIT UNDER THE CODE.
UH, THERE WOULD BE 16 PARKING SPACES INCLUDING ONE A D A, UH, HANDICAP COMPLIANT.
THERE WOULD BE TWO EV OR ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGERS.
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IS A, A FAIR AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE THAT CAN BE INCORPORATED ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE BUILDING.AND WE'VE LOOKED AT, AND THE, AND THE, THE TEAM CAN EXPLAIN, WE'VE LOOKED AT A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO TRY TO LAYOUT THE BUILDING AND MAXIMIZE, UM, ITS FUNCTIONALITY AND ITS USE.
UM, AS THE CHAIR INDICATED AS A RESULT OF THE LAYOUT AT THE GEOMETRY OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF AREA VARIANCES THAT ARE REQUIRED.
THERE, THERE ARE NO TWO WAYS ABOUT.
UM, WE THINK, HOWEVER, THAT THE BENEFIT TO THE APPLICANT CLEARLY OUTWEIGHS ANY DETRIMENT TO THE COMMUNITY.
UH, WE, WE ARE PREPARED TO DEAL WITH THIS IN FRONT OF THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS IF THIS APPLICATION PROGRESSES.
BUT MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, WE ARE ALL AS A DEVELOPMENT TEAM WELL AWARE THAT GETTING YOUR INITIAL REACTIONS TO THE PROJECT DESIGN, TO THE CONCEPT, UM, CRITICAL, UH, A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME HAS BEEN SPENT ON LOOKING AT THE ENGINEERING AND THE GRADING.
BEFORE WE EVEN, UH, MET WITH, UH, GARRETT AND AARON, UH, INFORMALLY, WE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME LOOKING AT HOW BEST TO DO THE SITE WITH RETAINING WALLS WITH THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF DISTURBANCE AND PROVIDING SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ALL BE PROUD OF.
UH, WE THINK IT'S A VERY ATTRACTIVE DESIGN, BOTH IN TERMS OF DIMENSION, SHAPE, AND COLORS.
UH, IT'S OBVIOUSLY AN INITIAL DRAFT FROM RAY AND FRANK, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT WE WERE QUITE COMFORTABLE PRESENTING.
AND I AM HAPPY TO HAND THE BATON OVER TO, UH, RAY, UH, OR, OR PETE, WHOEVER WANTS TO TAKE IT AND, UH, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR DESIGN.
UM, YEAH, I'LL MAKE A FEW COMMENTS.
THIS IS RAY BEELER, A ER, DESIGN, SECURITY.
CAN, CAN YOU SPEAK UP FOR US JUST A LITTLE BIT? OKAY.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU HEAR FOR ME? THAT'S A LITTLE BETTER.
I'LL, I'LL TRY TO, UH, SPEAK LOUDLY.
UM, SO THIS, THIS SITE PLAN ILLUSTRATES THE, UH, THE LOCATION OF THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY, UH, RESIDENCE ON THE SITE, WHICH IS LOCATED ON THE ONE FLAT AREA OF THE, OF THE SITE.
UM, THAT WILL BE DEMOLISHED, AS HAS BEEN NOTED.
AND, UH, THIS, THIS SITE PLAN ALSO SHOWS IN RED THAT MUCH OF THE SITE IS COMPRISED OF STEEP SLOPES.
SO THE RED AREA, UM, REPRESENTS ALL THE STEEP SLOPES ON THE SITE.
FRANK, WE CAN GO TO THE SITE PLAN.
UM, SO AS, AS, UH, THE CHAIR AND DAVID HAD BOTH MENTIONED, THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS A TWO STORY APARTMENT BUILDING LOCATED ON THE, ON THE LEFT PART OF THE SITE.
UM, THERE'S, UH, EIGHT UNITS, FOUR, TWO BEDROOM UNITS, AND FOUR ARE THREE BEDROOM UNITS.
THE 16 PARKING SPACES, UM, ARE PROVIDED IN AN ADJACENT PARKING LOT, UH, DIRECTLY NEXT TO THE BUILDING.
UM, THE ONE HANDICAPPED SPOT IS LOCATED IN A, UH, IN A LOCATION AS CLOSE TO THE FRONT DOORS TO THE APARTMENTS AS POSSIBLE.
AT ALL OF THE APARTMENT ENT ENTRIES FACE THAT PARKING LOT TWO, TWO, UM, ELECTRIC VEHICLE VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS ARE BEING PROVIDED.
AND THE, UH, THERE ARE, UM, SOME RETAINING WALLS NEEDED AT THE BACK AND SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT, RESULTING FROM THE STEEP SLOPES THAT WE WERE, WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT.
BECAUSE OF THE SLOPE OF THE SITE, UH, RETAINING WALLS ARE NEEDED ON THOSE TWO, TWO SIDES.
THESE WALLS WILL BE SCREENED WITH LANDSCAPING, AND THE WALLS ACTUALLY WILL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES BECAUSE THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ACTUALLY HIGHER THAN ELEVATION THAN, UH, THAN THIS PROPERTY.
A PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE FRONT DOOR OF THE APARTMENTS IS BEING PROVIDED FROM THE PERFORMANCE FIVE BLOCK THAT WILL BE RUNNING ALONG NORTH WASHINGTON.
AND, UH, WITH THIS LAYOUT, WE, WE WERE ABLE TO ACHIEVE 1500 SQUARE FEET OF FLAT OPEN SPACE JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT HARD TO DO ON, UH, ON, UM, SUCH A SMALL SITE.
AND LET'S GO TO THE FLOOR PLANS.
SO THIS JUST REPRESENTS A TYPICAL, TYPICAL, UH, FLOOR PLAN LAYOUT SHOWING THE TWO AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS.
ALL OF THE APARTMENT ENTRIES ARE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PLAN, WHICH IS FACING THE, THE PARKING LOT.
AND ALL THE APARTMENTS HAVE, UH, EITHER A COVERED PORCH OR A BALCONY.
AND AS DAVID MENTIONED BEFORE THIS, THE, UH, THE RENDERING AS NEXT FRANK.
UM, SO THIS IS, THIS IS OUR VISION FOR THE, FOR THE EXTERIOR.
UM, THE BUILDING HAS A SLOPING ROOF AND COVERED PORCHES, UM, GIVING OUT A RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER, UM, SIMILAR TO TO MANY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, IN THE, IN THE AREA.
THE SCALE IS BROKEN DOWN IN MASSING THE MATERIALS SO AS
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NOT TO BE MONOLITHIC OR INSTITUTIONAL, BUT TO LOOK VERY RESIDENTIAL IN IT'S, UH, IN ITS CHARACTER.AND, UH, THIS VIEW ALSO SHOWS A FEW OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE MENTIONED.
THE APARTMENT ENTRIES, THE PORCHES, THE SLOPED ROOF, THE PARKING LOT IS ON THE, UH, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
AND YOU CAN SEE A BIT OF THE, THE, THE REQUIRED RETAINING WALL AND THE, UH, THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S PROPOSED AROUND IT.
UM, NOW FRANK'S RO FROM OUR OFFICE IS GONNA RUN THROUGH THE, UH, THE, THE DIFFERENT ZONING VARIANCES THAT, UH, THAT WERE WILL BE NEEDED.
UM, AS RAY MENTIONED, AS DAVID MENTIONED, THERE ARE FIVE VARIANCES THAT THIS PROJECT WILL REQUIRE.
UM, THEY ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ON THE CHART SHOWING HERE.
THE FIRST VARIANCE IS FOR ONE ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNIT FOR A TOTAL OF EIGHT UNITS, SINCE THE BUILDABLE AREA OF THE SITE IS 22,912 SQUARE FEET, WHICH ONLY ALLOWS SEVEN DWELLING UNITS.
THE SECOND VARIANCE HERE IS THE MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE.
UM, THAT'S FOR 1,801 SQUARE FEET OF ADDITIONAL MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE.
SINCE THE BUILDING COVERAGE IS CURRENTLY AT 26.16% WITH, UH, 5,994 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING FOOTPRINT, THE SITE ALLOWS FOR A MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE OF 18.3% OF THE SITE'S 22,912 SQUARE FEET BUILDING AREA, WHICH COMES OUT TO 4,193.
THE THIRD, FOURTH AND FIFTH VARIANCE ARE FOR FRONT YARD, SIDE YARD, AND REAR YARD SETBACK VARIANCES FOR FRONT SIDE AND REAR, OH, SORRY.
ALL THE SETBACKS OF THE FRONT SIDE AND REAR ARE SET AT 40.
UM, AND THE BUILDING ENCROACHES ON THE FRONT YARD SETBACK BY NINE AND A HALF.
THE SIDE YARD ENCROACHES BY THREE FEET, AND THE REAR YARD ENCROACHES BY 30 FEET.
SO THOSE ARE THE FIVE, YOU CAN SEE IT BACK HERE.
SO HERE'S THE SETBACK LINE AND THEN THE ENCROACHMENT ON THE FRONT, THE SIDE, AND THE REAR.
AT THIS TIME, WE'LL HAND IT OVER TO P CASOS OFFICE TO DISCUSS THE GRADING AND UTILITY PLAN.
HI, UM, GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.
AS, UH, RAY MENTIONED, UH, WE ARE PROPOSING A RETAINING WALL ALONG THE PORTION OF THE REAR OF THE SITE.
UM, THE WALL WILL BE A CUT WALL SO THE NEIGHBORS WON'T SEE IT AND WILL BE ABOUT EIGHT FEET, UH, IN HEIGHT AT THE NORTH CORNER OF THE PARKING LOT, UM, WHICH WILL THEN TAPER OFF, UM, TOWARDS THE EAST AND WEST SITE.
UM, THE ROOF AND THE PARKING LOT RUNOFF WILL BE COLLECTED THROUGH OUR STORM SYSTEM AND WE'LL DISCHARGE TO OUR INFILTRATION SYSTEM, UM, SOUTH OF THE SITE.
AND THAT WILL CONNECT TO THE EXISTING, UH, STORM LINE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY.
WE ALSO SHOW A FIRE AND, UH, DOMESTIC LINE THAT WILL CONNECT TO THE EXISTING 16 INCH WATER LINE.
AND NORTH OF THAT IS GONNA BE THE, UH, PROPOSED SEWER LINE, WHICH WILL ALSO CONNECT TO THE EXISTING, UM, STORM LINE AND ALSO OUR INFILTRATION SYSTEM THAT WILL ATTENUATE FOR THE 100 YEAR STORM.
AND, AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE, MATT OR, UH, PETER THAT I MISSED.
OTHER THAN THAT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I THINK I'LL PASS IT BACK OFF TO FRANK AND, UH, RAY, I, I'LL GRAB IT.
THAT THAT WAS, THAT WAS GREAT.
WE AND MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I, I KNOW WE'VE GIVEN YOU AN AWFUL LOT OF INFORMATION AND WE'VE KIND OF TAKEN A LITTLE BIT OF A DEEPER DIVE ON THE TECHNICAL AND ZONING CRITERIA THAN WE ORDINARILY WOULD IN A PRE-SUBMISSION, BUT WE WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU, UH, THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND ENERGY.
UM, YOU CAN PULL THIS ONE AND JUST, YOU CAN PULL THIS FOR THE MOMENT.
UM, AND WE WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU THE, THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND ENERGY, UM, THAT THE APPLICANT HAS, HAS PUT IN AND HAS INSISTED THAT OUR TEAM PUT IN.
UM, AND, AND AT THIS POINT, HONESTLY, WHOEVER'S SHARING, YOU COULD UNSHARE, IT'D BE BETTER TO UNSHARE THE SCREEN IF YOU COULD, THAT WE, WE CAN SEE THE BOARD AND THE BOARD CAN SEE US.
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WE ARE REALLY HOPING, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD TO GET A SENSE OF, OF HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THE PROJECT.UM, WE, WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO INTRODUCE MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING OF THIS NATURE AND THIS TYPE IN THIS LOCATION.
WE THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE COMP PLAN IS CALLED FOR.
UH, AND WE WERE WELL RECEIVED, I BELIEVE, BY YOUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF WHEN WE INITIALLY INTRODUCED THE CONCEPT OF COMING IN WITH THIS AND, AND PETE KEONE, I DON'T, I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU WERE STILL THERE.
IF YOU NEED TO, YOU NEED TO CHIME IN ON SOMETHING.
PETE, YOU'RE OKAY? YOU GOOD? I'M OKAY.
UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE CAN YIELD BACK TO, TO YOU IF YOU'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS AND, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO, UM, TO ANSWER IN IN DEPTH.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN I LOOK AT THAT SITE THAT CONCERNS ME, AND IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE PICTURE, IS THE AMOUNT OF ROCK OUTCROPPING THAT'S ON THAT PROPERTY.
UM, HAVE YOU DONE BORINGS OR, OR WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW MUCH EXCAVATION'S GONNA HAVE TO BE DONE TO THAT PROPERTY, UH, TO GET THIS DEVELOPMENT BUILT? PETE, DIANA, OR DEO, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO, UH, HIT THE ROCK ISSUE AND, AND WHERE WE ARE, WHAT RELATIVE TO ANY FURTHER GEOTECH ANALYSIS? THANK YOU, DAVID.
UM, UM, SO YEAH, WE ARE PLANNING TO DO BORING, UM, AS WELL AS, UM, PERCOLATION TESTS, UH, AT THE STORMWATER SYSTEM.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING THAT FOR OUR NEXT MEETING WE'LL HAVE THE RESULTS OF, OF GEOTECH AND PERCOLATION TESTS, UH, FOR THE SITE.
UM, AS WELL AS NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WE'LL BE GOING AS FAR AS DOING, UH, SEISMIC UH, REFRACTION TESTING, BUT WE'LL, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO GET AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH ROCK AND, AND WHAT'S KIND OF IN THAT MIXED ROCK AREA BEFORE WE, WE PROCEED WITH THE PROJECT AS WELL.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, NOT ONLY IS WHAT YOU MAY HAVE TO EXCAVATE, BUT THE SURROUNDING BUILDINGS.
I KNOW WE HAVE A BLASTING BLASTING LOT, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL VERY DISRUPTIVE TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE AROUND THERE.
IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THAT'S ONE GIANT LEDGE IT THAT CROSSES OVER, UH, IN OVER TO, UH, INTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY, IT, THAT'S WHY IT'S GOTTA BE VERY CAREFUL.
THERE'S SO MUCH ROCK ON PROPERTY YOU CAN SEE JUST VISUALLY, UH, WITHOUT EVEN DOING BOYS.
OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, I I RELATED TO THAT, UM, THE CALTECH UNITS, THE, UM, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT THAT YOU HAVE INSTALLED, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE FOR ME THERE AS WELL, YOU KNOW, SO LET'S UNDERSTAND WHAT KIND OF PERCOLATION MIGHT BE HAPPENING THERE.
I ALSO, I JUST WASN'T CLEAR ON THE SIZING OF THAT, UM, THAT MASSIVE INFILTRATORS THERE, IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT LARGE COMPARED TO THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING.
SO MAYBE IF SOMEONE COULD JUST TAKE ME THROUGH THE ENGINEERING ON THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
WELL, WELL IT IS STILL EARLY PETER OR DIANA, IF YOU WANT TO JUST GIVE THE EARLY ANALYSIS AND CALCULATIONS.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DID IS, UH, WE, WE TYPICALLY IN ALL PROJECTS IN NEW YORK, UH, MODEL, UH, THE ONE YEAR, THE 10 YEAR AND A HUNDRED YEAR, AND, UM, UM, OUR, UH, WE TYPICALLY LIKE TO USE AN OUTLET CONTROL DEVICE ON OUR SYSTEMS, WHICH, WHICH CONTROLS THE OUTLET, UH, THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE STORM VERSUS AN INFILTRATION SYSTEM THAT, UM, FILLS UP AND JUST OVERFLOWS.
THERE'S, THERE'S ISSUES WITH THAT, WITH BACK TO BACK STORMS. AND, UM, WE JUST HAVE FOUND OVER MY 30 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE THAT, UH, WHATEVER YOU COULD CONTROL, UM, FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE STORM TO THE END OF THE STORM, THAT THAT IS A, UM, A MORE ECONOMICAL AND UH, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, A MORE THOUGHTFUL DESIGN THAN JUST AN OVERFLOW.
UM, WE USE A VERY CONSERVATIVE PERCOLATION RATE.
UM, THESE CALL TECHS ARE, UM, UH, LARGE, UM, CALL TEXTS, UH, UH, 30 INCHES IN HEIGHT.
UH, I BELIEVE 54 INCHES IN, IN WIDTH.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, ONCE WE HAVE THE TESTING, UH, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, FINALIZE THE DESIGN.
ALSO, WE PLACE THE, UM, THE COLEX IN AN AREA WHERE WE THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE THE BEST CHANCE OF, UM, HAVING THE MOST SOIL BETWEEN, UH, THAT ROCK AND THE BOTTOM OF THE INFILTRATORS.
AND WE ARE ELEVATING THAT CORNER OF THE SITE, UH, BY ABOUT
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TWO FEET OR SO, TWO AND A HALF FEET, UM, IN ORDER TO, UM, YOU KNOW, FURTHER INCREASE OUR SEPARATION TO ANY POTENTIAL ROCK.UM, ALSO BECAUSE THE EXISTING STORM SYSTEM IS SO SHALLOW, WE, WE HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO ELEVATE THAT AREA.
UM, YOU'RE BRINGING UP MY SECOND QUESTION, WHICH IS WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO ME, I THINK PROBABLY TO OTHERS WOULD BE TO UNDERSTAND A COUPLE CROSS SECTIONS THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, WHAT THE GRADING IS NOW, WHAT IT'S GONNA BE BECOME, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE TOPOGRAPHIC OR THE SH SHADED COLOR AREAS, IT GIVES YOU SOME INDICATION, BUT IT'S REALLY HARD TO TO VISUALIZE WHAT IT, UH, WHAT THAT CHANGE IS GONNA BE.
YEAH, I THOUGHT IT'S HARD TO SEE THE BOARD FROM THAT.
SO TOM, WE, WE, WE RECOGNIZE ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS AND THEY'RE ALL GREAT QUESTIONS.
AND JUST REMEMBER WE ARE, WE HAVE NOT FILED ANYTHING YET.
THIS IS, THIS IS PRE-SUBMISSION.
WE REALLY WANTED TO GET INITIALLY I CRITICISM.
NO, I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S GONNA MAKE IT SO, SO WE NOT A CRITICAL WE NEED, WE, WE FULLY UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TO COME BACK WITH THAT AND, AND, UM, AND ARE PREPARED TO DO SO.
WE WANTED TO TEST THE TEMPERATURE AND GET A SENSE OF THE, THE BOARD'S, UH, THE BOARD'S POSITION ON THIS DEVELOPMENT, THIS KIND OF PROJECT.
AND AGAIN, AS WE SAID RIGHT FROM THE GET GO, AND AS WE SAID IN OUR LETTER, WE FULLY UNDERSTAND WE NEED SOME VARIANCES HERE.
AND, UM, HAVING, HAVING JUST COMPLETED THE VARIANCE PROCESS WITH YOUR ZONING BOARD ON RENARD AND I, I WAS NOT HERE EARLIER IN THE MEETING, THANK YOU FOR ADOPTING THE RESOLUTION ON THE RENARD PROJECT.
HAVING YOUR BOARDS SUPPORT AND ENDORSEMENT OF VARIANCES DOES HELP.
IT'S, IT'S NOT EVERYTHING, BUT IT, IT GOES A LONG WAY WITH YOUR ZONING BOARD, HENCE, UM, I HAVE, I HAVE ADVISED DEO AND FLORE GETTING YOUR, GETTING YOUR READ ON THIS IS, IS CRITICAL.
WELL, AT THE VERY LEAST IT'LL PREPARE YOU FOR YOUR MEETINGS WITH THE ZONING BOARD.
WE DO HAVE MORE QUESTIONS NOW.
MONA'S GOT A QUESTION AND THEN WALTER, GO AHEAD AND THEN CORRECT.
UM, SO I WAS VERY EXCITED WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THE EV CHARGING AND I LOOKED AT THE SPEAKING, I WAS VERY EXCITED WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THE EV CHARGING AND I LOOKED AT THE PARKING AND I SEE YOU HAVE 16 PARKING SPOTS FOR EIGHT UNITS.
BUT IF WE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THERE MIGHT BE GUESTS COMING TO VISIT AND WE HAVE TWO SPOTS FOR EVERY, UM, APARTMENT, WHICH IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE TAKEN UP BY EVERY APARTMENT.
AND STREET PARKING ON NORTH WASHINGTON IS NOT
AND, AND, AND IT DOESN'T EXIST.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE GUESTS ARE GONNA PARK BEFORE RAVEN, BEFORE YOU ADDRESS IT, LEMME JUST, LEMME JUST SET THE TABLE FOR YOU.
SO MONA, NUMBER ONE, I KNEW YOU'D BE HAPPY WITH THE, THE EV CHARGERS.
AND WITH ALL THE RESPECT, IF WE'RE GONNA WEAR THE MANTLE OF SUSTAINABILITY, THEN QUITE FRANKLY THE TWO TO ONE PARKING RATIO IS KIND OF HIGH.
IN MANY OTHER INSTANCES WHERE WE'RE DOING MULTIFAMILY, WE WOULD NOT BE DOING TWO FOR EVERY ONE OR 16 PARKING SPACES.
AND I WAS HO HOLDING MY BREATH, HOPING YOU WERE GONNA SAY, DAVID, YOU HAVE TOO MANY PARKING SPACES, YOU SHOULD LAND BANK.
UM, BUT INSTEAD, AND NOW RAY, I'LL HAND IT TO YOU ON ZONING COMPLIANCE WITH REGARD TO PARKING ZONING.
UM, WELL THIS DOES THE 16 SPACES THAT DOES COMPLY WITH ZONING AND FRANKLY ON THIS, ON THIS SITE, IT WAS A CHALLENGE TO, UH, TO GET THE PARKING SPACES IN.
SO IT WOULD BE AN EVEN GREATER CHALLENGE TO TRY TO ACHIEVE MORE THAN MORE OF THE 16.
MR. STEINS HAS ALWAYS BEEN UP FOR A CHALLENGE.
I'VE KNOWN HIM FOR MANY YEARS, SO WE'LL PUT THIS CHALLENGE TO HIM TOO.
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE DON'T LIVE IN A BUS COMMUNITY AS MUCH AS WE'D LIKE TO SAY WE DO.
PEOPLE WITH A TWO AND THREE BEDROOM APARTMENT ARE LIKELY TO HAVE TWO CARS OKAY.
IF THEY HAVE KIDS, THEY COULD HAVE THREE CARS.
AND, UH, UNLESS YOU'RE NOT ALLOWING GUESTS AS PART OF PART OF THE, UH, THING THAT WILL BE GUESTS.
SO I THINK IT'S A VALID CONCERN AND YOU SHOULD TAKE THE CHALLENGE TO HEART.
MAYBE YOU DO IT WITH PERFECT PERVIOUS PAVERS SOMEWHERE AND PUT A, A COUPLE, AT LEAST A COUPLE OF GUEST PARKING SPACES.
BUT IT'S SOMETHING YOU SHOULD LOOK AT.
WE'LL DEFINITELY LOOK AT IT AND, AND WE WILL CERTAINLY LOOK AT THE NO THANKSGIVING DINNER, UH, IN THE LEASE PROVISION.
WELL, THAT, THAT, THAT'S GOOD FOR TURKEY, MR. SIMON.
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WITH, UH, UH, WITH THE ELECTRIC, UH, CHARGING STATION, BUT I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO DO MORE IN TERMS OF SUSTAINABLE ENERGY.SO AS, UH, CHAIRMAN SAID, UH, YOU KNOW, STRANGERS ARE CHALLENGES, SO WE'LL LEAVE THAT TO YOU.
BUT THAT, BUT THAT IS A CONCERN OF MINE IS THAT THERE YOU MADE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT, BUT I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT, UM, YOU ARE LOOKING AT SIX VARIANCES AND, UH, AT LEAST TWO OR MAYBE THREE WOULD BE ELIMINATED IF YOU JUST WENT TO SIX UNITS INSTEAD OF EIGHT.
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT DIAGRAM LOOKS LIKE SO WE COULD SEE IF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE THE, UH, WHAT WOULD BE THE EFFECT SO WE COULD SEE THAT.
SO JUST A RENDERING, IT, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE MUCH AN ARCHITECTURAL, YOU JUST LAP OFF A ONE END AND THEN SEE AND THEN DETERMINE WHAT WILL BE THE SIDE YARD SETBACK.
I THINK THEN THAT WILL ELIMINATE THE FIRST TWO VARIANCES.
BUT AS A CONCEPT, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
UM, SO IF WE CAN RESPOND TO WALTER ON THAT.
'CAUSE WALTER, WE ANTICIPATED THAT QUESTION AS WELL.
DEO, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO YOU.
'CAUSE I THINK YOU NEED TO GIVE THE MOST DIRECT ANSWER TO THAT, THAT YOU CAN WELL, AT THIS POINT, THIS IS A PRECON.
UH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER ME.
I JUST, THE, THE PURPOSE IS FOR ME, I, I DON'T WANT YOU TO LEAVE TONIGHT.
'CAUSE THAT, THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION.
WALTER, AND I, I THINK YOU ASKED THE RIGHT QUESTION.
I KNOW, UH, WE ASKED, WE ASKED THAT AS WELL.
AND, AND I THINK DEO IF YOU WANT TO UNMUTE, BUT, UM, MY CLIENT'S OKAY.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, WHAT MR. HAY BROUGHT OUT IN TERMS OF THE ROCK AND, AND WHETHER OR NOT THE CALTECH CAN OPERATE EFFECTIVELY, THE FACT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TWO LESS UNIT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'LL SOLVE THE PROBLEM, BUT THAT MIGHT MITIGATE SOME OF IT.
UM, SO I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, THERE'S A, A CHALLENGE AT THE SITE WITH THE STEEP SLOPE AND, AND THERE'S CONCERNS WITH THE ROCK.
SO THERE'S, WE'RE LOOKING AT EXTENSIVE COSTS AS FAR AS REMOVING THIS ROCK AND, AND REGRADING, UH, THE MAJORITY PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT IF, IF WE ARE, UH, IF WE DO REDUCE THE APARTMENT COUNT THAT THE PROJECT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL OR WE WOULD BE, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO PROGRESS WITH THIS PROJECT, UM, BY, BY CUTTING THE PROJECT IN A QUARTER, IT, IT MIGHT IMPACT, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT THAT MUCH WHERE WE DON'T BELIEVE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PROGRESS WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE BUILD.
I WOULD STILL LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE DI A DIAGRAM OF IT.
SO WE AT LEAST WOULD HAVE FULLY DISCUSSED THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD GIVE AT THE PRESENTATION, YOU COULD GIVE YOUR ARGUMENT, BUT WE ST I STILL LIKE TO SEE THE DIAGRAM.
I THINK IT'S A, UH, VERY GOOD, UH, PROPOSAL CONSIDERING THAT WE NEED, UH, NOT MANY, UH, OF THESE HOUSING UNITS, UH, HOPEFULLY WOULD BE, UH, AFFORDABLE.
AND ONE WOULD BE A, UH, SORT OF, UH, UNITS THAT WILL HELP, UH, UH, KIND OF AFFORDABLE, UH, TO, UH, TO THE SORT OF DOWN STANDARDS.
UM, MY THREE KIND OF CONCERNS IS THAT ONE IS THAT, UH, YOU HAVE SUCH A BIG, UH, THE, YOU SAID YOU HAVE PARKING LOT, UH, OR PARKING SPACES THAT IS A, UH, REQUIRED BY THE ZONING.
UH, CAN YOU MAKE IT A MORE SUSTAINABLE PARKING AREA? MEANING THAT THERE HAS A MORE, UH, UH, PERMEABLE, PERME PERMEABLE, UH, MATERIAL ON THE, ON, ON ALL THESE, UH, PARKING SPACES OR PART OF IT.
UH, SECOND ONE IS THAT, UH, CONSIDERING THAT WE ARE WANTED TO HAVE A SUSTAINABLE, UH, SORT OF COMMUNITIES WE ARE MOVING TOWARD, CAN YOU, CAN YOU SORT OF GET SOME MORE, UH, RENEWABLE ENERGY RELATED THINGS, UH, I E UH, SOLAR PANELS AND, AND OTHER TECHNOLOGIES THAT WOULD REDUCE THE CARBON FOOTPRINT? OUR THIRD QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT, ARE YOU GONNA PROPOSE A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF YOUR PROPERTY? THE TOWN? THE TOWN ALREADY BUILT ONE, I THINK.
YEAH, BUT NOT IN FRONT OF THIS PROPERTY.
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THE TOWN'S, YEAH.I CAN ANSWER THE THIRD, UH, COMMENT OR QUESTION.
AND THE TOWN HAS, IS IN THE PROCESS AND WILL BE CONSTRUCTING A SIDEWALK ALONG THE FRONT DITCH.
IT IS REFLECTED IN THE APPLICANT'S, UH, PRELIMINARY PLAN.
I'M LOOKING AT THE, I'M LOOKING AT THE, BUT THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.
THIS IS, OH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A STREET VIEW OR SOMETHING? YEAH.
MICHAEL, IF, IF EVERYBODY'S DONE, READY, YOU FINISH.
COULD YOU PUT UP THE SITE PLAN AGAIN ON THE SCREEN WITH THE PICTURE OR THE DRAWING? NO, THE SITE PLAN, THE DRAWING.
SHOWING THE PARKING LOT ON THE RIGHT AND THE BUILDING ON THE LEFT.
YOU GUYS PUT, ARE YOU ABLE TO DO THAT? GET THAT UP THERE.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE NOW? THE SIDE PLAN, YOU KNOW, LOOKING, LOOKING LIKE NO, THE SIDE PLAN GOING.
SO, SO LOOKING AT THAT, IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT IF YOU PUSH THOSE TWO TOGETHER AND PUT THE PARKING UNDERNEATH THE APARTMENTS AND THEN TURN THE WHOLE THING 90 DEGREES, YOU'D HAVE SOME ADVANTAGES.
FIRST YOU'D EITHER ELIMINATE OR REDUCE SIGNIFICANTLY SOME OF THE VARIANCES.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE PARKING UNDERNEATH THE APARTMENTS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND OF COURSE THEY'RE ONE BIG DISADVANTAGES.
YOU'VE GOTTA WALK, WALK A FLIGHT UPSTAIRS, AN ADDITIONAL FLIGHT UPSTAIRS TO GET TO YOUR APARTMENT.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT OR WOULD YOU CONSIDER IT PUTTING THE PARKING UNDERNEATH THE APARTMENTS? GREAT QUESTION.
RAIN FRANK, WHAT WOULD'VE TO THE HEIGHT OF OUR BUILDING, IT WOULD ADD, IT WOULD ADD ONE STORY TO THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, AND THEY ACTUALLY DID LOOK AT THE LAYOUT SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING, WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING.
FRANK, WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T WE, UM, GO TO THAT ALTERNATE SCHEME? UM, THE SCHEME WE HAVE DOESN'T SHOW THE PARKING UNDER IT, BUT NO, WE CAN SHOW THAT THE SUGGESTION WAS MADE TO FLIP, FLIP THE BUILDING.
AND WE DID THIS, THIS WAS AN ALTERNATE SCHEME WE LOOKED AT, WHICH IS, WHICH IS I BELIEVE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING.
AND IN THIS LAYOUT, WE TRIED TO LOCATE THE BUILDING.
SO IT COMPLIED WITH THE, WITH THE 40 FOOT SETBACKS ON ALL SIDES, WHICH WE, WE ALSO THOUGHT HAD SOME ADVANTAGES.
BUT AS WE DEVELOPED THIS, WE FOUND OUT THAT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF NEGATIVE ASPECTS TO THIS.
ONE IS THAT THIS CREATES A LARGER AREA OF DISTURBANCE.
UM, TWO, THE RETAINING WALL AROUND THE PARKING LOT BECOMES MUCH, MUCH LONGER.
UM, THIS SCHEME ALSO HAS MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES THAN THE, THE, UH, PREVIOUS SCHEME.
AND THIS SCHEME ALSO RESULTED IN NO USABLE OPEN SPACE.
WELL, I, SO WE DID, WE LOOK AT THIS, WE FOUND SOME NEGATIVES TO THIS.
UM, WE, WE, WE HAVE NOT, UM, STUDIED THE, UH, SPECIFIC SUGGESTION YOU'RE MAKING OF RAISING THE BUILDING AND HAVING PARKING UNDER, UNDER IT.
I BRING WE, THAT WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL THINGS WE DISCUSSED WHEN WE FIRST GOT THE PROJECT.
AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE CHIPPING INTO THE ROCK ABOUT EIGHT TO 10 FEET.
EITHER YOU CHIP AN ADDITIONAL 10 AND GET THE PARKING UNDER THE BUILDING, OR YOU RAISE THE PARKING AND PUT THE BUILDING ON TOP OF THAT, AND THEN THE BUILDING'S EVEN TALLER.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S THE SUGGESTION HERE, BUT THEN THAT RESULT IN A THREE STORY BUILDING, NOT A TWO STORY.
WELL, LOOK, YOU DON'T, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO RESOLVE THIS NOW, I'M JUST SAYING.
I MEAN, MAYBE, MAYBE YOU'LL NEED A VARIANCE OF A FEW FEET.
IF YOU HAVE TO RAISE THE BUILDING, MAYBE YOU'LL SOLVE A LOT OF OTHER PROBLEMS IF YOU DO IT, MAYBE IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA, JUST A SUGGESTION AND LET US KNOW WHAT THE NEXT WE, WE CERTAINLY, WE'LL CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT SHARE FRONT.
YOU WOULD NEED A VARIANCE FOR THE THIRD STORY.
LET LET US REGROUP ON THAT, PLEASE.
WE'RE RUNNING, WE'RE RUNNING CLOSE TO TIME HERE.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE WE CLOSE THIS DISCUSSION? THE LOADING, THE LOADING ZONE.
I'M SORRY, WHAT? THE LOADING AREA.
I THINK IT WAS LEFT OPEN ABOUT WHETHER, OH YEAH, YOU NEED A VARIANCE FOR THE LOADING AREA.
WHERE IS THE, WHERE ARE YOU PUTTING THE TRASH AND IS THAT A CLOSED TRASH BIN OR IS IT JUST, UH, THE GARBAGE CAN, LET ME SHARE THE SCREEN AGAIN.
YEAH, IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THERE WAS MUCH ROOM TO GET INTO IT IF IT'S A DUMPSTER.
IT HAS A SL RETAINING WALL AROUND IT, SO IT'S HIDDEN AND THEN IT HAS A, A FIVE FOOT FENCE AROUND IT.
SO HOW DOES THE TRUCK GET IN THERE? HOW DOES THAT, WHAT, HOW DOES THE TRUCK GET INTO THE DUMPSTER TO PICK UP THE TRUCK? SO THE
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TRUCK COMES, IT PULLS REAR-ENDED IN, AND THEN IT PULLS THE DUMPSTERS OUT THIS WAY.HOW WIDE IS THE OPENING? THE WHITING, THE OPENING RIGHT NOW IS SIX FEET AND WE HAD A MEETING WITH A CARTING COMPANY TO GO OVER THE DIMENSIONS TO SEE IF IT WAS FEASIBLE.
SO THEY DON'T BACK UP TO THE DUMPSTER.
THEY BACK UP ARM NEAR IT OUT, CORRECT.
THAT ARM THING PROBABLY THEY HAVE, YEAH, THEY ROLL IT OUT.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE, UH, THE LOADING SPACE? YOU SHOWED IT ACROSS THREE.
RIGHT NOW WE DO NOT HAVE A PURE DESIGNATED LOADING SPACE.
THREE OF THE SPACES WOULD HAVE TO BECOME AVAILABLE AND THEN THE MOVING TRUCK WOULD HAVE TO PARK DIAGONALLY.
YOU ALSO HAVE DELIVERY TRUCKS.
BUT IF YOU WERE USUALLY ON THE STREET.
THEY DON'T GO INSIDE PARK AND YEAH, THEY DON'T GO IN PARK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE CLOSE THIS FOR TONIGHT? OKAY.
SO WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING, UH, YOUR PLAN AND UH, WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
WE APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU GAVE US THIS EVENING.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND, UH, WE'LL RESUME FROM THE DAIS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WELCOME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, PORTION OF OUR PLANNING BOARD MEETING TONIGHT.
UH, MR. SCHMIDT, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT OUR ALTERNATE MEMBER, MS. DAVIS, IS IN PRESENT THIS EVENING.
UM, WE HAVE TWO CASES THIS EVENING, BUT WE'RE GONNA TAKE THEM TOGETHER BECAUSE, UH, THEY'RE SIMILAR PROJECTS AND HAVE THE, ACTUALLY SOME OF THE SAME B SAME ISSUES TO DEAL WITH.
UH, THEY ARE PB UH, CASE PB 2132 MIDWAY SHOPPING CENTER.
IT'S AMENDED SITE PLAN, SPECIAL PERMIT AND PLANNING BOARD SHIP
UM, AND THAT'S AT MIDWAY AND CASE 21 DASH 33, WHICH IS AT THE GREENSVILLE SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH IS FOR IDENTICAL BATTERY STORAGE, UH, FACILITY.
UM, WITH, UH, JUST SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ISSUES IN TERMS OF THE PARKING, THE SHARED PARKING WAIVER, ET CETERA.
UM, THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS PROJECT, THERE WAS ONE MAJOR ISSUE, WHICH WA AND CONCERN THAT PEOPLE HAD ACTUALLY THREE ISSUES.
ONE, THE FIRST ONE AND MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE WAS WHAT THE, UH, TOXICITY WAS, IF THERE WAS A FIRE AND HOW THAT RELATED TO OTHER FIRES THAT COULD HAPPEN IN THE SAME LOCATION, FOR EXAMPLE.
TO LET US KNOW ARE WE CREATING A MUCH GREATER RISK THAN WE WOULD HAVE IF IT WAS A CAR DEALERSHIP OR, OR, UM, ANY OTHER KIND OF FIRE IN THAT AREA.
AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION TONIGHT.
SECOND QUESTION, THERE WAS CONFUSION.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION TODAY TOO, OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD USE WATER TO SUPPRESS THE FIRE, UH, FOR THESE KINDS OF FACILITIES.
IT REALLY DEPENDS ON, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WHAT KIND OF LITHIUM ION BATTER BRAND OF LITHIUM AND IRON BARR BATTERY YOU'RE USING.
ORIGINALLY THIS PROJECT WASN'T USING TESLA BATTERIES.
AND TESLA, I BELIEVE RECOMMENDS NOT TO USE WATER.
AND THE THIRD ISSUE IS, UM, THE APPLICANT AGREED TO BUILD A, A, UH, RETAINING WALL AROUND THESE UNITS, A FIREWALL ACTUALLY AROUND THESE UNITS.
AND THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT THE AESTHETICS OF THIS FIREWORK WALL.
IT'S GONNA BE 10 FEET HIGH AND IS THIS SOMETHING WE COULD DO FROM AN AESTHETICS POINT OF VIEW? I THINK THAT'S ALL THE ISSUES THERE.
UM, ANY, BUT, SORRY, ONE OTHER, UM, WITH RESPECT TO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, SO THE TOP OF THE CONCRETE, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S OPEN, IT WAS OPEN MM-HMM.
THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, GLYCOL AND IF THERE WAS A LEAK, UM, HOW THE APP BE CONTAINED AND OR CLEANED UP.
SO WE'VE, UH, SPOKEN WITH THE APPLICANT AND THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK SINCE THE LAST WORK SESSION.
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UM, THEY'VE ALSO SUBMITTED THE FIRE HAZARD ANALYSIS REPORT THAT WAS REVIEWED BY THE TOWN'S CONSULTANT, ED LARKIN, WHO IS ON THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM.UH, THE PROJECT AS PROPOSED WAS, UH, REVIEWED BY MR. LARKIN AND DETERMINED TO MEET THE TOWN CODE, UH, AS PROPOSED.
SO AGAIN, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. LARKIN, UH, BEYOND THAT, WE DID FORWARD THE FIRE HAZARD ANALYSIS TO THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT, KEEPING THEM IN THE LOOP THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
WE HAVE YET TO RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS, UH, IN WRITING ON THAT ANALYSIS FROM THE DI DISTRICT OFFICIALS AS OF YET.
BUT I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH, UH, THE CHIEF THIS AFTERNOON AND, UM, THERE'S SOME COMMENTS THAT HE HAD AND I CAN RELAY THOSE TO THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC LATER ON THIS EVENING.
WHY DON'T WE START WITH, UH, HAVING THE APPLICANT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT I JUST, UH, JUST BROUGHT UP ISSUES.
IT, IT MAY BE HELPFUL FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, THOSE VIEWING AT HOME IF THEY GO THROUGH THE PLANS QUICKLY TO SHOW THE LOCATION OH, I'M SORRY, YES.
AND THEN, THEN DIVE INTO THOSE.
THOSE QUESTIONS PRESENT QUICKLY PRESENT THE PLANS SO THEY KNOW, UH, WHERE, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WHERE THESE ARE LOCATED.
AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO THE QUESTION.
MR. DELLY, I SEE YOU JUST UNMUTE YOUR MIC.
CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY NOW? YES.
UH, THE DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND, UH, AND, UH, THE PUBLIC HERE.
SO MY NAME IS ME DE I'M ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF I B P SOLAR.
WE ARE A SOLAR COMPANY BASED IN NEW YORK CITY.
WE'VE BEEN IN BUSINESS SINCE 2008.
WE FOCUS ON COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PROJECTS, UH, DONE A LOT OF SOLAR ROOFTOP PROJECTS AND SOLAR FARMS. UH, WE DID THE FIRST, UH, COMMUNITY SOLAR PROJECT COUPLED WITH ENERGY STORAGE IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK.
GOT A NICE RIBBON CUTTING WITH, UH, LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR HOKU, UH, FOR THAT PROJECT.
AND I CAN SHOW YOU PICTURES OF THAT.
UH, HAS BEEN OPERATING FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS NOW IN A VERY SAFE FASHION, UH, AT A SHOPPING CENTER IN YORKTOWN HEIGHTS.
SO, UH, WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS, UH, THIS PROJECT, UH, OR TWO PROJECTS, UH, AT THE MIDWAY SHOPPING CENTER AND THE, UH, GREEN BEACH SHOPPING CENTER WHERE WE HAVE TWO MEGA PACKS AT WHICH, AT EACH UH, SITE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT WITH THE PLANNING BOARD WHO HAS, I HAVE TO SAY, NOT, UH, PUT ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF EFFORTS, UH, BOTH IN TERMS OF DUE DILIGENCE AND, UH, TRYING TO FIND THE SAFEST POSSIBLE INSTALLATION FOR THIS PROJECT.
SO WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE WHOLE TEAM AT THE PLANNING BOARD, AND OF COURSE, THE PLANNING BOARD AS WELL, UM, TO, TO HAVE GOTTEN US TO THIS POINT OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
AND WE HOPE TO HAVE ACHIEVED, UH, AN INSTALLATION, UH, PROPOSAL THAT IS, UH, VERY SAFE.
AND OF COURSE, UM, WE BELIEVE IT'S COMPLIANT WITH, UH, WITH THE CODE.
SO, UM, UH, WE'LL BE VERY HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WITH REGARD TO OUR, UH, PROJECT HERE TONIGHT.
SO, UH, I, I NOW LEAVE IT UP TO YOU TO ASK US ANY, ANY QUESTIONS.
COULD YOU ACTUALLY SHOW ME THE SITE PLAN AND WHAT THESE BATTERY STORAGE ARE FOR THE PUBLIC, PLEASE ALL.
DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE THOSE PLANS AVAILABLE OR DO YOU NEED ME TO SHARE THEM? AARON, ACTUALLY AARON, ACTUALLY, IF YOU DON'T MIND DOING THAT, THAT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT IF YOU COULD JUST WALK US THROUGH, I'LL, I'LL GO TO THE MIDWAY FIRST AND THEN WE CAN TRANSITION TO THE GREENVILLE PROJECT.
ARE YOU SEEING IT ON YOUR END? IT'S, I CAN SEE IT VERY WELL.
SO, UH, IF, UH, IF EVERYONE CAN SEE THIS, WE ARE PROPOSING TO INSTALL THE TWO TESLA MEGA PACKS HERE ON THE, WHERE YOU HAVE THE RED RECTANGLE.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, IT'S AT THE LOCATION THAT WE BELIEVE IS OUT OF, OUT OF THE WAY AND, UH, RELATIVELY FAR FROM, UH, EVERYONE, UH, NEARBY.
AND, UH, WE ARE PROPOSING TO, UH, INSTALL THOSE TWO UNITS SURROUNDED WITH A
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CONCRETE WALL THAT WILL, WE BELIEVE IS GOING TO MAKE THIS INSTALLATION VERY SAFE FOR EVERYBODY.YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT SORT OF THE, THE, THE, THE BRIDGE.
AND, UH, AND YOU CAN SEE THE DISTANCES RELATIVE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
PERHAPS WE CAN POINT TO THAT, UH, ERROR.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, PROBABLY AROUND A HUNDRED FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND, UH, UH, YEAH, SO 98 FEET, ONE INCH, 98 FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO, UH, AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, IT'S SURROUNDED BY A CONCRETE WALL THAT IS 10 FEET TALL.
AND, UH, SO THAT'S FOR, FOR MIDWAY.
IS THAT 98 FEET TO THE WALL OR IS IT TO THE UNIT? IT'S 98 FEET, UH, UH, AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE? NO, BUT FROM THE WALL, NOT FROM THE UNIT, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, FROM THE, THE WALL.
THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE WALL AND THE PROPERTY, UH, UH, LINE IS ABOUT 98 FEET.
SO THE UNIT ITSELF IS OVER A HUNDRED FEET AWAY FROM, FROM THE PARKING, CORRECT? IT'S ACTUALLY MORE LIKE 104 FEET.
AND THEN, UH, TO THE BUILDING, IT'S ABOUT 41 FEET TO THE WALL? CORRECT.
AND THIS AGAIN, IS THE MIDWAY PROJECT? CORRECT.
SO JUST, UH, YOU WANT ME TO TRANSITION TO THE, WELL, IT'S A LITTLE CLOSER, UH, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE WALL NOW.
I KNOW YOU HAD SAID, UH, MR. SIMON INDICATED THAT HE THOUGHT IT WAS CLOSER TO 50 AND IT ACTUALLY IS TO THE UNITS, BUT TO THE OUTER EDGE OF THE WALL, IT'S 41.
ACTUALLY, WHAT IS THE WALL LOOKS LIKE? OKAY.
LET'S, LET'S SHOW THE OTHER SIDE THEN.
HOLD THAT QUESTION FOR A SECOND.
RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT WON'T COME UP.
LET ME TAKE THIS DOWN AND TRANSITION TO THE GREENVILLE REVISED PLAN.
SO THAT SHOULD BE COMING UP NOW.
THIS IS THE GREENVILLE SHOPPING CENTER, AND I'LL, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU, MR.
YOU CAN SEE THE RED, UH, RECTANGLE TOWARDS THE RIGHT SIDE HERE.
THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE, UH, THE TWO UNITS AGAIN SURROUNDED BY A CONCRETE WALL THAT IS RATED FOR FOUR HOURS OF, UH, UH, FOUR HOUR RATED IN, UH, UH, AS THE, AS INDICATED HERE.
AND, UH, AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THE DISTANCES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 70 FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE IN THIS CASE, AND A VERY SIMILAR DESIGN.
UH, AND, UH, YES, IT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PARKING AREA.
SO, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT PARKING AREA HAS LOTS OF TRAFFIC ON THAT SIDE.
UH, I SHOULD ADD THAT, UH, SUCH UNITS, THERE ARE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF THEM HAVE BEEN INSTALLED, ARE BEING INSTALLED ALL AROUND THE WORLD, UH, WORLD AS WE SPEAK IN THE PAST FEW YEARS.
UH, WE ARE ONLY AWARE OF TWO INCIDENTS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, CONTROLLED PROPERLY BY FIRST IN FIRST, UH, RESPONDERS.
SO THE PROBABILITY OF HAVING AN INCIDENT IS, UH, IS VERY REMOTE.
AND, UM, UH, I, I, I DON'T THINK ANYONE NEEDS TO INTRODUCE TESLA.
SO YOU, EACH UNIT IS ABOUT 23 FEET LONG BY FIVE FEET WIDE BY EIGHT, EIGHT FEET TALL.
SO THE CONCRETE WALL IS 10 FEET TALL, SO IT GOES ABOVE THE, UH, HEIGHT OF THE UNITS.
UH, WE HAVE ATTACHED HERE THE, UH, SPECIFICATIONS.
UH, IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THE BENEFITS OF THIS, UH, TYPE OF INSTALLATION.
UH, IN, IN, IN, IN SHORT, UH, YOU KNOW, CONSUMPTION OF ELECTRICITY IS JUST GONNA GROW VERY RAPIDLY FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.
UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO USE ELECTRIC VEHICLES, ELECTRIC TRUCKS, ELECTRIC BUSES OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
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WANT TO CONVERT THEIR GAS HEATING TO ELECTRIC, SO THE CONSUMPTION OF ELECTRICITY IS GOING TO GO UP.YET AT THE SAME TIME, UH, THE, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE TO BRING THE POWER FROM UPSTATE, UH, IS JUST VERY LIMITED IN CAPACITY.
AND SO, UH, WE CAN CONTINUE TO SPEND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO, UH, ADD MORE SUBSTATIONS OR BUILD MORE TRANSMISSION LINES AND CONTINUE TO INCREASE THE RATE PAYERS RATE THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE COST TO THE RATE PAYERS, OR WE CAN BUILD, UH, THESE, INSTALL THESE UNITS IN, IN ALL OF OUR, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, NEW YORK CITY AND WESTCHESTER AND LONG ISLAND TO, UH, ALLOW THE CHARGE TO ALLOW THE, THE, THE GRID TO EXPERIENCE LESS STRESS DURING THOSE PEAK TIMES OF THE YEAR, WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, THE HOT SUMMER AFTERNOONS WHERE EVERYONE IS, UH, PUSHING THEIR CONDITIONING TO THE MAX.
AND, UH, AND CONCEPTUALLY THE UNIT GETS CHARGED AT NIGHT WHEN YOU HAVE LESS DEMAND FOR ELECTRICITY.
AND THEN THE POWER IS DISCHARGED IN THE AFTERNOON WHEN, UH, THE DEMAND FOR ELECTRICITY IS HIGHEST.
SO BY DOING THESE INSTALLATIONS, WE ARE HELPING TO REDUCE THE STRESS ON THE GRID, UH, REDUCE THE NEED FOR MORE SUBSTATIONS AND REDUCE THE, UH, GROWTH RATE OF, UH, POWER PRICES IN THE STATE.
DO YOU WANT, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THOSE THREE OR FOUR ITEMS THAT THE CHAIRPERSON BROUGHT UP? UH, EARLIER, CERTAINLY.
AND, UH, I'M HERE, UH, BY THE WAY, UH, SUPPORTED BY OUR TWO ENGINEERS.
UH, YOU KNOW, UH, JOHN STOPPY, WHO IS A P FIRE PROTECTION ENGINEER, HE IS AN EXPERT ON EVERYTHING RELATING TO POWER, UH, TO, SORRY, TO FIRE, AND HE CAN ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ON THAT FRONT.
AND, UH, OUR OTHER ENGINEER, DAMIEN
HE USED TO BE AN ERDA INSPECTOR AS WELL.
AND, UH, WE'LL BE DELIGHTED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, SO PLEASE GO AHEAD.
WELL, I START WITH THE, THE, THE QUE FIRST QUESTION THAT WE HAD, WHICH IS ABOUT, UH, THE FUMES THAT COME OFF IF THERE IS A FIRE, HOW DANGEROUS ARE THEY ARE TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, AND HOW DANGEROUS ARE THEY RELEVANT TO OTHER THINGS THAT COULD BURN IN THE SAME AREA, THE COMMERCIAL AREA.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO HAND THIS OVER TO, TO JOHN.
JOHN, CAN YOU HEAR US? IS THAT MUTE? YEAH, I'M HERE.
HEY, JOHN, DO YOU WANNA INTRODUCE YOURSELF BRIEFLY AND THEN TAKE THE QUESTION PLEASE? YEAH.
UH, I'M A LICENSED FIRE PROTECTION ENGINEER IN 29 STATES, AND, UM, I WAS HIRED ON, ON BOARD FOR THIS PROJECT TO CONSULT FOR, UH, FIRE AND BUILDING CODE COMPLIANCE FOR THIS INSTALLATION.
AND I'M THE ONE THAT WROTE THE, UH, FIRE HAZARD REPORT THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER.
COULD YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION FOR US THEN? UM, THERE'S NO HAZARD TO SURROUNDING BUILDINGS OR STRUCTURES.
SHOULD A FULL FIRE SITUATION DEVELOP WITH THIS INSTALLATION? UM, THERE'S A NUMBER OF SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE, UH, TO PREVENT THAT.
UM, EVEN FROM A DISTANCE OF 45 FEET AWAY FROM THE, UM, ENCLOSURE DURING THE PEAK FIRE, UM, HEAT RELEASE RATE, THERE'S NO CHANCE OF GETTING BURNED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, ALL THE FIRE HYDRANTS THAT SURROUND, BOTH INSTALLATIONS HAVE BEEN TESTED AND CERTIFIED THAT THEY COULD ADDRESS, NOT DOUSING THE INSTALLATION, BUT IN CASE, UH, SURROUNDING STRUCTURES OR GROUND NEED TO BE SPRAYED, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, THE INSTALLATION IS CODE COMPLIANT WITHOUT THE WALL, BUT WE PROPOSED IT IN ORDER TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE HAD ABOUT FIRES AND SUCH.
AND WE KNOW ABSOLUTELY THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANY HORIZONTAL EXPOSURE TO ANY EMBERS DEBRIS OR, UM, HEAT FLUX BECAUSE OF THOSE FOUR HOUR WALLS BEING THERE.
WHAT ABOUT THE GASES FROM THE, FROM THE FIRE? THERE'S,
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THERE'S A HAZARD, YOU KNOW, FOR ANY SMOKE PRODUCED BY ANY FIRE, UM, THE CONSTITUENTS OF THIS FIRE WOULD HAVE SOME, UM, COMPONENTS IN THEM THAT WOULD BE ATYPICAL OF LIKE A WOOD ASH FIRE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY WAY MORE HAZARDOUS THAN LIKE A PLASTICS FIRE.OR EVEN IF A HOUSE WITH ALL THIS SYNTHETIC MATERIALS BUILT INTO A HOUSE CAUGHT FIRE, UM, THE FIRE HAZARD WOULD THE, THE, THE PLUME HA FROM THE SMOKE PLUME? UM, THE REAL HAZARD IS DEPENDING ON HOW THE FIRE WAS BURNING AND THE AMBIENT WEATHER CONDITIONS, UM, FOR THAT PLUME TO BE, YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY ABOVE GLOVE OR STREAMING INTO, UM, A STRUCTURE.
AND IN THAT CASE, THE, THE HAZARD WOULD BE MORE HEALTH RELATED OR, UH, YOU KNOW, TO POTENTIALLY DAMAGE PROPERTY AND NOT A THREAT TO LIFE SAFETY.
BUT IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO PRE PREDICT EXACTLY HOW SUCH A SMOKE PLUME, YOU KNOW, WOULD, WOULD EVOLVE.
AND WELL, LET LET ME ASK YOU A DIFFERENT WAY THEN.
LET'S SAY COMPARE THIS, IF, IF THERE WAS A DUMPSTER FULL OF PLASTIC BOTTLES BACK THERE, THERE'S A RECYCLING THING BIN THAT SOMEBODY SENT FIRE TO, OKAY, THE WIND WAS GOING THE IDENTICAL DIRECTION WITH THAT VERSUS A FIRE THAT CAME FROM THE BATTERY STORAGE.
WOULD THERE BE MUCH DIFFERENCE OR ANY DIFFERENCE AT ALL? UH, IN, IN THE SAFETY OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS? UM, THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE IN THE EXPECTED DURATION OF THE FIRE.
THE EXAMPLE YOU PROPOSED WOULD PROBABLY BURN OUT IN ABOUT 30 TO 45 MINUTES MAYBE.
AND DURING ITS PEAK, IT WOULD RELEASE QUITE A BIT OF SMOKE, BUT IT WOULD, IT WOULDN'T BURN AS LONG AS WE'RE COUNTING, WELL, THE WORST CASE SCENARIO THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO THE DURATION WOULD BE, UM, THE, THE DIFFERENCE AND HOW THAT SMOKE COULD GET BLOWN OR SETTLE DURING THE COURSE OF THE FIRE AND AFTER THE FIRE TOO, IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU MENTIONED, UH, COMPARING IT TO A HOUSE FIRE, WHICH WOULD POTENTIALLY BURN LONGER.
UM, UNDER THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCE IF IT WAS THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO SOMEONE LIVING NEARBY AND THE WIND WAS BLOWING DIRECTLY AT THEM, YOU KNOW, HOW COMPARABLE IS THAT? WE'RE JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW, WE WANT TO REASSURE OURSELVES AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A HAZARD.
IF IT'S NOT, WHICH WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND.
UM, DEPENDING ON WHAT DEVELOPMENT YOU'RE IN AND HOW FAR THE HOUSES ARE SET BACK FROM EACH OTHER, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WITH ONE HOUSE FULLY ENGULFED OR AT LEAST ENGULFED ON THE SIDE THAT FACES THE ADJACENT HOUSE, THAT COULD ACTUALLY CATCH THAT HOUSE ON FIRE.
THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, POSSIBLE, UM, NOT HIGHLY PROBABLE.
IF YOU, I GUESS I WAS THINKING IN TERMS OF FUMES, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S NOT, YOU WERE COMING UP WITH EXAMPLE PIE IN THE SKY HERE.
IT'S NOT CLOSE ENOUGH TO START THE OTHER HOUSE ON FIRE, BUT THE WIND'S BLOWING DIRECTLY AT IT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT A COMPARABLE AMOUNT OF, UM, TOXICITY? NO.
IF THERE WAS A HOUSE NEXT TO ONE, UH, DIRECTLY NEXT TO IT, THE, THE CONCENTRATION OF SMOKE WOULD BE MUCH GREATER THAN ANY POTENTIAL SURROUNDING AREAS BEING AFFECTED BY THIS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF A HOUSE WAS BURNING NEXT DOOR, BLOWING DIRECTLY AT MY HOUSE, SAY IT WOULD BE MORE TOXIC THAN IF YOUR INSTALLATION WAS THERE ON FIRE? YES.
THAT GIVES ME SOME FRAME OF REFERENCE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS SUBJECT BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE? I, I THINK MINE IS ON THIS SUBJECT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE, IF I'M CLEAR ON THIS, UM, I WANNA ASK ABOUT THE, THE CEMENT THAT SURROUNDS THE UNITS.
IT'S OPEN ON TOP, RIGHT? AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE TESLA UNITS DO NOT GET WATER TO PUT OUT FIRE.
WHAT HAPPENS IF IT'S RAINING? NOW WATER'S GOING IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S OPEN ON TOP.
SO HOW DOES THAT AFFECT A FIRE IF IT, IF WE'RE GETTING RAIN DURING A FIRE, THE RAIN, DOES THAT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON A FIRE? IF, IF IT STARTS TO RAIN, NO RAIN ISN'T NEARLY SUFFICIENT TO SUPPRESS A FIRE, SO IT WON'T HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE FIRE AND IT WON'T DO ANYTHING TO YOU, YOU KNOW, SUPPRESS THE FIRE, IT WON'T HAVE ANY IMPACT ON IT.
IT WILL JUST CONTINUE TO BURN AT ITS NORMAL RATE.
IT'LL, UM, IT'LL AFFECT THE WAY THE SMOKE BEHAVES AND THE WAY THE SMOKE RISES IN THE AIR AND HOW HIGH IT GOES, AND POTENTIALLY WHICH DIRECTION IT GOES.
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THAT.BUT IN TERMS OF THE FIRE SEVERITY, IT WOULDN'T INFLUENCE THAT.
ANYBODY ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO ANOTHER QUESTION? OKAY.
THE SECOND QUESTION WE HAD WAS ABOUT, UM, THE WATER USAGE.
NOW, I KNOW THAT, UM, TESLA HAS DIFFERENT INSTRUCTIONS THAN OTHER LITHIUM BATTERY MANUFACTURERS.
UM, BE CLEAR WITH THIS, THESE TWO INSTALLATIONS THAT WATER IS NOT TO BE USED WHATSOEVER TO, TO, TO SUPPRESS OR FIGHT THIS FIRE.
IS THAT CORRECT? NO, WATER IS SUPPOSED TO BE SPRAYED ONTO THE UNITS THEMSELVES, HOWEVER, THE SURROUNDING AREAS CAN CERTAINLY BE DOUSED WITH WATER, BUT YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
THE THIRD ONE IS A, UH, QUESTION THAT, UH, CORRECT.
I'M CONFUSED BECAUSE, UH, UH, TESLA IS SAYING YOU SHOULD NOT SPRAY WATER ON IT, BUT MONA JUST RAISED THE ISSUE.
WHAT IF THERE'S A DOWNPOUR, A HEAVY RAIN, AND, UH, AND THE BATTERIES CATCH ON FIRE? SO WE SEEM TO GET SOMEHOW, I, I'M, I'M HAVING DIFFICULTY MESHING THE TWO RESPONSES.
SO THE, THE BATTERIES ITSELF AREN'T EXPOSED, THEY'RE ENCASED.
SO IF, IF IT DOES CATCH FIRE AND IT HAS TO BE, UM, UH, DISTINGUISHED, THEN THEY WOULDN'T BE APPLYING THE WATER DIRECTLY TO THE UNITS ITSELF.
IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE WETTING THE SURROUNDING THE WALLS AND THE AREAS SO THAT IT DOESN'T SPREAD.
IS THAT CORRECT? I LIKE THE JOHN, IS THAT CORRECT? THE, THE SURROUNDING AREAS, BASICALLY, IF, IF THEY GOT, WERE GETTING TOO HOT, YES.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SHOULD SPRAY WATER ON.
CORRECT? I, I THINK TO CLARIFY, I BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU'RE SAYING NOT TO PUT WATER ON IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA HELP, IT'S NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING.
UM, WHICH IS WHY IF WATER GOES ON IT, IT'S OKAY, BUT IT'S JUST NOT GONNA STOP THE FIRE.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I HAD READ.
IT'S, TESLA SAID DON'T PUT WATER ON IT.
MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT'S NOT THE WAY TO PUT IT OUT.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO, SO IT COULD HAVE RAIN, IT'S JUST NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S PARTIALLY, THAT'S PARTIALLY CORRECT.
UH, ONE OF THE REASONS YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SPRAY WATER ON IT DURING A FIRE IS DIFFERENT THAN THE RAIN SCENARIO.
THEY'RE DESIGNED TO OPERATE OUTSIDE IN THE RAIN.
UM, THE FIRE DURING A FIRE EVENT, THERE'S VENTING SYSTEMS AND FLAME ARRESTERS AND OTHER STUFF THAT ARE INTRINSIC TO THE SAFETY OF THE PACK THAT WOULD BE COMPROMISED IF A DAY LOSE SHOVE WATER, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING 250 GALLONS PER MINUTE TO 500 GALLONS PER MINUTE, UP TO A THOUSAND GALLONS PER MINUTE, WHICH IS USED TO FIGHT A FIRE.
UM, A A, A RAIN
AND THE, THE DEN, THE DENSITY IS ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT.
SO THE, THE RAIN IS A GOOD CONSIDERATION, BUT THAT THAT'S NOT ENOUGH WATER TO COMPROMISE THE SYSTEMS THAT WOULD BE COMPROMISED FROM ACTIVE FIREFIGHTING.
UM, QUESTION THAT, UH, WE ALL HAVE, AND KURT BROUGHT UP THIS EVENING, IS THE AESTHETICS OF THE CONCRETE WALL, IT'S 10 FEET HIGH, IT DOES FACE THE RESIDENCE IN THE BACK.
UH, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEA PLEASING THAN JUST A 10 FOOT WALL? THE ANSWER IS ABSOLUTELY.
IN FACT, THERE IS NO WAY ON EARTH THE OWNERS OF THE TWO SHOPPING CENTERS WOULD ALLOW A BARE CONCRETE WALL TO BE ERECTED THERE.
SO YOU CAN BE ASSURED THAT WE WILL HAVE, UH, EXTENSIVE WORK DONE WITH, UH, DESIGNERS LANDSCAPERS TO COME UP WITH AN AESTHETICALLY PLEASING DESIGN, WHICH COULD, FOR EXAMPLE, BE COVERING THE WALL WITH WOOD PANELS AND, UH, SOME, SOME GREEN ON THE OUTSIDE SO THAT THE AESTHETICS OF THE INSTALLATION ARE PLEASING THROUGH THE EYE AND NOT COMPLETELY INDUSTRIAL LOOKING.
DO YOU HAVE A RENDERING? OKAY, THERE'S NO RENDERING, RENDERING.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE PROVIDED, YOU KNOW, OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT, UH, COUPLE OF WEEKS, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST A PRELIMINARY RENDERING FOR THE BOARD? ABSOLUTELY.
WE, IN FACT, WE ALREADY HAVE SOME OF THOSE IN PLACE.
WE ARE JUST DEBATING ABOUT WHAT PATH TO TAKE.
BUT IF YOU COULD SHOW US BEFORE WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION, THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
YEAH, I RECALL ABSOLUTELY MANY MONTHS AGO
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WHEN THERE WAS A FENCE FENCING ENCLOSURE, THAT THERE WAS A DESIGN TO KIND OF DRESS UP THE FENCE WITH DIFFERENT COLORS AND, AND DESIGN.UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE ONE OR TWO OR EVEN THREE OPTIONS FOR THE BOARD TO LOOK AT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
YOU CAN BE ASSURED THAT, UH, LANDLORD WOULD BE MORE THAN ANYONE EAGER TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A TURNOFF TO ALL THE, ALL THE SHOPPING CENTER GUESTS.
AND THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE TO LOOK AT IT TOO.
DON'T FORGET YOU HAVE RESIDENTS ON DORCHESTER ROAD THAT HAVE TO LOOK AT IT, FOR EXAMPLE.
THE, THE ABSOLUTELY THE LAST ABSOLUTELY.
THE LAST QUESTION, ACTUALLY, IT'S, IT'S A TWO PART QUESTION.
WE HAVE, YOU'VE DONE WHAT THE WALL IS, YOU'VE ENCLOSED THIS, SO THERE IS GONNA BE RAINWATER GETTING IN THERE.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DRAIN THAT, THAT RAINWATER? WE ARE GOING TO PROPOSE, UH, STONE WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM AND, UH, DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
IT'S GONNA BE ESSENTIALLY LIKE A BATHTUB AND WE WILL HAVE A MEANS TO, UH, DRAIN OUT THE WATER, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE DETAILED DESIGN DESIGN ON THAT.
AND, UH, THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
WILL IT BE A PERMANENTLY OPEN DRAIN, OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL OPEN AT TIMES? THE REASON I ASK THAT IS WHAT IF YOU HAVE A SPILL? DO YOU WANT IT AS AN OPEN DRAIN? I THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING TO BE DISCUSSED BETWEEN OUR ENGINEERS AND THE TOWN ENGINEER AND LOOK AT VARIOUS OPTIONS.
I'M NOT, UH, EXPERT ON THE TOPIC, SO I CAN'T REALLY GIVE YOU A GOOD ANSWERS.
IF YOU WANT US TO COME UP WITH SOME HIGH LEVEL IDEAS FOR THE NEXT MEETING, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
UH, FINALLY, REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT, I KNOW IT, IT'S A SMALL POSSIBILITY, BUT THE POSSIBILITY OF METHYLENE GLYCOL LEAK AND HOW YOU WOULD HANDLE THE ETHYLENE GLYCOL LEAK.
AT ONE POINT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A TANK TO CAPTURE, CAPTURE THAT.
WHERE ARE YOU ON THE, ON THAT NOW? UH, JOHN, DO YOU WANNA TAKE THAT? UM, WELL, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ETHYLENE GLYCOL LEAK? UM, BECAUSE OF A FIRE OR JUST IN GENERAL? JUST IN GENERAL.
THE FIRE WOULD PROBABLY BURN OFF ANYWAY, BUT, BUT NO, IN GENERAL, WELL, THAT'S IMAGINING SUCH A POSSIBLY SYSTEM INTEGRATED WITH THE, A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO CAPTURE THAT.
IF IT, IF IT HAPPENED, HOW WOULD YOU SEGREGATE IT FROM THE STORMWATER THOUGH? OR, OR ISN'T IT ENOUGH TO, TO WORRY ABOUT TO GO INTO OUR STORMWATER, INTO OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM? I MEAN, WHAT'S THE QUANTITY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ANYWAY? RIGHT.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ABOUT 72 GALLONS FOR THE ENTIRE UNIT.
SO YOU CAN SEE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT REALLY LARGE AMOUNTS, BUT 72, 72 GALLONS FOR THE ENTIRE, YEAH, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU HAVE A HUGE HOLDING TANK OF THE SIDE, RIGHT? YEAH,
UH, IF YOU HAVE A, A LEAK, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, A COMBO WAY OF DEALING WITH THAT, AT LEAST IN THE CHEMICAL INDUSTRY IS THAT YOU HAVE A PAN, WHAT THEY CALL UNDERNEATH IT.
SO SHOULD IT LEAK, IT JUST GOES INTO A SMALLER PAN, A PAN, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, AND THIS IS WHAT SOMETHING, THEY USE THE CHEMICAL INDUSTRY FOR STORING CHEMICALS.
THEY'RE IN A TANK FARM AND HAS A, AND IT HAS A, A WALL AROUND IT.
SO IF A TANK LEAK, IT COULD CAPTURE ALL OF THAT, UH, CHEMICALS WITHOUT GOING INTO THE GROUND, LIKE A SHALLOW.
ONE THING TO HAVE IN MIND IS THAT FIRST OF ALL, IT IS, UH, IF THERE IS ANY LEAK, IT IS NOT GOING TO BE AT THE HIGH RATE.
SECOND, I'M SORRY, IT'S NOT GONNA BE AT THE, WHAT HIGH RATE.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IF THERE IS ANY LEAK, IT IS NOT GOING TO BE AT THE HIGH RATE, HIGH RATE.
AND IN THE MEANTIME, YOU HAVE MONITORING SYSTEMS THAT MONITOR, UH, THE BEHAVIOR OF ANYTHING THAT'S GOING ON AT THE, AT THE BATTERY UNIT.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WILL HAVE, UH, SIGNALS SENT INDICATING THAT THERE IS A LEAKAGE THAT WE COULD THEN, YOU KNOW, TAKE IMMEDIATE MEASURES TO, TO, TO, UH, UH, TO FOCUS ON.
UH, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ALL OF A SUDDEN IN, IN THE MATTER A FEW MINUTES, HAVING ALL THE GALLONS OF, UH, THE, THE LIQUID, UH, YOU KNOW, FALLING IN ON THE GROUND.
UH, JOHN, OH, OH, MY POINT IS, FROM THE TIME THE MONITOR GOES OFF AND THE TIME SOMEONE COMES TO THE FACILITY, THERE'S ETHYLENE GLYCOL, WHICH IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARD
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DRIPPING INTO THE GROUND.SO MY QUESTION, IT IT NOT INTO RIGHT, THAT IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
THERE WOULD BE A CONCRETE FLOOR BASE CORRECT.
NO, BUT EVEN, EVEN, EVEN WITH THAT, EVEN, EVEN IF IT WAS, EVEN IF IT WAS SEALED, THE PROBLEM IS YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A STORMWATER DRAIN IN.
SO ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE SOLUTIONS THAT COULD BE HELPFUL, WE'VE DONE THIS IN CAR WASHES, FOR EXAMPLE, AND IN OTHER AUTOMOBILE PLACES, YOU COULD PUT A SEPARATOR INTO THAT STORM DRAIN, FOR EXAMPLE, TO TRY TO SEPARATE OUT SOME OF THE NASTIES.
THERE ARE SEPARATORS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL WORK WITH ETHYLENE GLYCO.
I KNOW IT WORKS WITH THE OIL FROM A SCRUBBER OR SOMETHING.
I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYTHING THAT SEPARATES ETHYLENE SMOKE OR FOR OIL.
IT, IT'S WHAT OIL AGAINST, AGAINST LIGHTER WATER.
WELL, IT, IT'S SOMETHING YOU SHOULD, YOU SHOULD LOOK AT AND TO SEE HOW YOU DO THAT AND COME BACK TO US AND HOW YOU COULD CONTAIN THAT BY THE TIME WE MAKE THE DECISION.
OR AS YOU SUGGESTED BEFORE, THE POTENTIAL FOR A CLOSED SYSTEM THAT CAN BE OPEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT NEEDS TO RIGHT.
IF YOU CAN REMOTELY, IF THE SYSTEM WOULD CLOSE, WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS WHAT THE MORE THAN THE CONCRETE.
'CAUSE IF IT'S A CONCRETE PROBLEM, YOU MAY HAVE TO TAKE THE BASE OUT AND MITIGATE THAT AT SOME POINT.
ALTHOUGH I WOULD GUESS THIS STUFF PROBABLY EVAPORATES PRETTY QUICKLY TOO.
ETHYLENE GLYCOL DOES IT? NO, NO.
IT'S NOT A HIGH EVAPORATION RATE.
NO, BUT IF IT LEACHES INTO THE CONCRETE, YOU'D HAVE TO DO SO SOMETHING TO MITIGATE THAT.
THE IMMEDIATE CONCERN I HAVE IS GETTING INTO THE STORM WATER RIGHT.
SO IF THERE'S A WAY EVEN REMOTELY IF SHUTTING OFF THE DRAIN, IF, IF YOU HEAR THAT LEAK EXAMPLE, SOMETHING YOU NEED TO WORK OUT WITH THE ENGINEER, IT'D BE NICE IF YOU TALK TO THE ENGINEER BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME WE MAKE A DECISION.
DOES OUR NEW LAW HAS ANY PROVISIONS FOR WHAT NEW, THE NEW CODE FOR THE TOWN? I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TOWN CODES ARE, BUT, UM, GENERALLY IN INDUSTRY, IF YOU HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARD, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME WAY OF, OF CATCHING IT IF SHOULD, UH, YOUR CONTAINER LEAK.
YOU HAVE TO BE CLOSER TO THE MIC TOO, PLEASE.
SO WE, WE DO HAVE THE CONSULTANT, MR. LARKIN ON, AND HE CAN, YOU KNOW, REVIEW BRIEFLY WITH THE BOARD WHAT HE LOOKED AT FROM A CODE COMPLIANCE STANDPOINT.
I THINK THERE WAS EVEN A QUESTION, AND WE KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT YOU KNOW, WHETHER THE PROJECT MEETS THE NEW YORK STATE FIRE CODE, RIGHT.
AND THAT'S BUILT INTO OUR LAW, BUT MR. LARKIN CAN KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT.
WITHIN A FEW MINUTES, I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL PUBLIC.
GIVE, GIVE A COUPLE MINUTES OF THAT.
AND ALSO, MR. LARKIN, YOU'VE BEEN LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION AND THE QUESTIONS TONIGHT, AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT OR IN DISAGREEMENT WITH WHAT, WHAT YOU HEARD TONIGHT.
UM, I'VE BEEN TAKING NOTES AND LISTENING AS, AS YOU NOTED, UM, STARTING WITH THE, THE, THE PROCESS.
UM, I HAD TO REVIEW OUR ORIGINAL, OUR ORIGINAL ENGAGEMENT THAT STARTED IN MARCH OF LAST OF THIS YEAR, EXCUSE ME.
UM, WE STARTED WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ON THIS PROJECT, UM, IDENTIFYING SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED TONIGHT.
UH, WE'VE WORKED WITH 'EM OVER THE LAST, UM, NUMBER OF MONTHS TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE TODAY AS IT'S PREVIOUSLY, PREVIOUSLY BEEN STATED.
UM, WHILE THIS TECHNOLOGY IS RELATIVELY NEW, THE CODES AND STANDARDS GOVERNING IT ARE CATCHING UP.
UM, WHETHER IT'S THE NEW YORK STATE FIRE CODE, THE LOCAL LAW THAT YOU HAVE PASSED, UM, THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION N F P A ASSOCIATION OR THE UL 9 5 4 0 STANDARDS.
THERE IS A MA THERE'S A MULTITUDE OF STANDARDS NOW THAT DO REGULATE THE INSTALL AND FUNCTIONALITY OF BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO REVIEW THIS, THIS INSTALL AGAINST ESTABLISHED STANDARDS.
UM, AND AS THE, UM, AS MR. STOPPY SAID EARLIER, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE REACHED THE POINT OF HAVING A CODE COMPLIANT INSTALL BOTH IN TERMS OF YOUR LOCAL LAWS AND NEW YORK STATE LAWS.
UM, GOING DOWN THE LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT WERE DISCUSSED, UM, I I WILL BE BRIEF.
UM, AS IT'S BEEN NOTED, UM, TOXICITY OF A FIRE IS VERY HARD TO ASSESS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CODE DOESN'T SPEAK TO FIRE EVENTS.
WE DON'T DESIGN TO EMERGENCIES.
IF THERE IS A FIRE EVENT, UM, THERE WILL BE HA HAZARDOUS, UM, MATERIALS PRODUCED BY A FIRE OF THIS, OF THIS FACILITY AS THERE WOULD BE ANY OTHER INDUSTRIAL
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FACILITY IN MOST OF YOUR COMMERCIAL FACILITIES OR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT CONTAIN LARGE VOLUMES OF PLASTICS.UM, THE, THE FIRE INDUSTRY NOW IS BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND JUST HOW CARCINOGENIC AND HAZARDOUS EVERY FIRE IS.
AND FIRE STATIONS ARE ACTUALLY DESIGNED WITH DECONTAMINATION ZONES NOW SO THAT AFTER ANY FIRE FIREFIGHTERS CAN COME BACK AND CLEAN THEIR GEAR EFFECTIVELY BECAUSE OF JUST THE GENERAL HAZARD ASSOCIATED WITH FIRES.
SO, UM, WHILE I CAN'T GIVE YOU ANY GUARANTEES TONIGHT, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT ALL FIRES IN YOUR COMMUNITY ARE HAZARDOUS AND WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE FIREFIGHTERS AND EMERGENCY RESPONDERS WHO CAN SHOW UP AND USE THEIR EXPERTISE TO MAKE DECISIONS ON, UM, WIND DIRECTION AND IF SMOKE PLUMES ARE IMPACTING THE SAFETY OF YOUR RESIDENTS.
UM, I THINK THE WATER CONVERSATION HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN ARTICULATED VERY WELL.
UM, ONE OF THE REFERENCES I MADE EARLIER WAS TO UL STANDARDS IN THIS INDUSTRY.
IN THE BUILDING INDUSTRY IN GENERAL, WE RELY HEAVILY ON INDEPENDENT LABORATORY TESTING AGENCIES.
IF YOUR REFRIGERATOR COMES WITH THE UL CERTIFICATION, YOU ASSUME THE ELECTRIC WIRING IS ADEQUATE AND WE DON'T QUESTION IT.
UM, THEY DO HAVE UL LISTINGS FOR THESE, FOR THIS EQUIPMENT.
SO, UM, TO USE AN INDUSTRY TERM BLACK BOX WITHIN THAT, WITHIN THAT BLACK BOX, WHICH IS THE OUTER CONTAINMENT OF THAT SYSTEM, A THIRD PARTY ENTITY THAT IS QUALIFIED AND ACCREDITED HAS REVIEWED AND ACCEPTED THE INTERNAL WORKING COMPONENT.
SO WE AS AN INDUSTRY ACCEPT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE UNITS ARE COMPLEX AS, UM, AS, AS THE FIRE PROTECTION ENGINEER NOTED, THERE'S A SERIES OF SYSTEMS THAT ARE BUILT IN FOR SAFETY TO MONITOR THE TEMPERATURE OF THE CELLS.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE KEY COMPONENTS OF THERMAL RUNAWAY IS UNDERSTANDING HOW THE CURRENT SITUATION IS IMPACTING ADJACENT BATTERY SYSTEMS. SO MAKING SURE THAT THE SYSTEM CONTINUES TO OPERATE, NOT ONLY VENTING GASES AND MITIGATING FIRE WITH ITS INTERNAL SYSTEM, BUT ALSO ENABLING MONITORING.
THIS IS WHY WE DON'T SPRAY THESE THINGS WITH A LOT OF WATER.
UM, AND I THINK JOHN COVERED THAT WELL.
UM, I, I WON'T TOUCH THE AESTHETICS OF THE FIREWALL OTHER THAN TO SAY THAT BY INSTALLING THE FIREWALL, WHICH THEY HAVE PROPOSED, YOU ARE NOW MORE ENABLED TO INSTALL STRAWBERRY OR OTHER AESTHETIC FEATURES CLOSER TO THE BATTERY STORAGE CONFIGURATION.
WITHOUT THAT WALL, THAT WOULD NOT BE A POSSIBILITY BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT YOU CAN PUT IN TERMS OF COMBUSTIBLE MATERIALS ADJACENT TO THESE.
UM, THE LAST ITEM BEING THE STORM WATER SLASH GLYCOL.
WE HAVE TALKED TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT THAT.
UM, THERE ARE MULTIPLE SCENARIOS WHERE YOUR STORMWATER SYSTEM, WHICH WILL, WHICH WILL HANDLE STORMWATER A REGULAR BASIS ON A REGULAR BASIS, CAN BE RETROFITTED AS WAS PREVIOUSLY NOTED, WITH DEVICES THAT ALLOW FOR THE SEGREGATION OF A SPECIFIC PRODUCT FROM THE STORMWATER SUPPLY.
THERE'S ALSO THE ABILITY TO ALLOW THAT STORMWATER DEVICE TO STOP FLOWING DURING A, A SEVERE EVENT, WHETHER THAT'S A LARGE DISCHARGE OF GLYCOL OR A FIRE INCIDENT, WHICH YOU'RE GONNA PRODUCE SOME, SOME VERY UNDESIRABLE, UM, YOU KNOW, CONTAMINANTS.
SO THE ABILITY TO CLOSE DOWN THAT SYSTEM AND THEN ALLOW IT TO BE A TRUE STORAGE SYSTEM AS OPPOSED TO A DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE IMPLEMENTED HERE.
AND THE DESIGN TEAM HAS, HAS ARTICULATED THE DESIRE TO COME UP WITH THAT DESIGN AND SUBMIT IT FOR APPROVAL.
UM, I'M SORRY, CHAIRMAN, DID I MISS ANYTHING ELSE? THAT WAS ALL.
NO, I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB, ED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE GO TO THE PUBLIC? I'LL KEEP IT QUICK.
UM, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION EARLIER TODAY WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR A CAMERA INSIDE THE UNIT.
OUR FIRE CHIEF AT THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT INDICATED A PREFERENCE TO HAVE, SO TO SPEAK, EYES IN THE EVENT, UH, INSIDE THE WALL IN THE EVENT.
AND, UH, MR. STAPE SPOKE, UH, ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR THAT.
SO I, I'D LIKE HIM TO JUST BRIEFLY OUTLINE THAT FOR THE BOARD AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
AND THE ONLY OTHER THING, IF THERE'S TIME, IS YOU HAD BEGUN TO PUT TOGETHER A DRAFT EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN WITH, UM, DIRECTIONS IN THE EVENT.
AND IF YOU WANT TO JUST SHARE THAT ON THE SCREEN VERY QUICKLY, I MAY HAVE IT AVAILABLE AS WELL.
WHAT SPECIFIC QUESTION DID YOU WANT ME TO ADDRESS AGAIN? BECAUSE YOU SAID A BUNCH FROM THERE.
THE, THE CAMERA INSIDE THE WALL.
SO, UM, AMONG FIRE DETECTION PRODUCTS, THERE'S ONE THAT BASICALLY HAS AN ENHANCED VIDEO CAMERA THAT WOULD QUICKLY DETECT ANY FIRE.
UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM LIKE AN INFRARED SENSOR, BUT IT ACTUALLY PROVIDES REAL TIME VISUAL FEEDBACK AND THAT COULD BE USED NOT ONLY TO DETECT THE FIRE AND SEND A FIRE ALARM SIGNAL, UM, TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE LOCAL ALARM SYSTEM, BUT IT COULD ALSO BE USED TO ACTUALLY VIEW, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THERE BECAUSE THOSE CAMERAS ARE DESIGNED TO OPERATE UP TO CERTAIN TEMPERATURES AND STUFF.
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HELPFUL, THANK YOU.AND THEN MAIER DID, WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS TO THAT? 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE FIRE CHIEF WAS INTERESTED IN AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESSED IT, UM, WITH VERY QUICKLY PLEASE.
UM, DID YOU, DID YOU WANT ME TO, UH, SHOW THE, UH, SORT OF CAN YOU SHOW THAT VERY QUICKLY AND JUST, JUST IN CASE PEOPLE WALK THROUGH A FEW POINTS? YEAH, SURE.
UH, LET ME SHARE MY SCREEN VERY BRIEFLY HERE.
I HAVE HERE, ALLOW ME FOR A SECOND.
UH, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY, UH, WHAT WE PUT TOGETHER FOR THE SISTER PROJECT UP THE UP IN, UH, YORKTOWN HEIGHTS.
UH, THE INSTALLATION WE HAVE WITH, LET ME JUST SHOW YOU QUICKLY THE, THE PHOTO OF THE INSTALLATION.
THIS IS THE INSTALLATION IN NEW YORKTOWN HEIGHTS.
AND, UH, IT WENT THROUGH EXTENSIVE REVIEW BY OBVIOUSLY THE PLANNING BOARD, THE FIRE DISTRICT, AND SO ON.
AND FOR THE BENEFIT, UH, OF THE FIRE DISTRICT, WE PUT TOGETHER THIS, UH, THIS, UH, BASICALLY TWO, THREE PAGES.
UH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ARE ON SITE AND IF THERE IS A, UM, YOU KNOW, A, A THERMAL RUNWAY, YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO START READING A 200 PAGE, YOU KNOW, GUIDEBOOK.
SO WE TRY TO COMPRESS IT AND MAKE IT AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE WITH REALLY THE DO NOTS AND THE DOS, YEAH.
ON THE SPRAY WATER, ON THE NEIGHBORING BATTERY ENCLOSURE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, THINGS LIKE THAT.
FIRST ADD MEASURES, UH, STEPS TO BE TAKEN AFTER FIRE IS EXTINGUISHED.
AND SO THESE SORT OF VERY SUM SHORT SUMMARY OF THESE THREE PAGES ARE, UH, MADE AVAILABLE, COULD BE MADE AVAILABLE AT THE LOCKBOX, UH, WITHIN 5,000 FEET, UH, OF THE INSTALLATION.
UH, AND THE FIRE DISTRICT, WE GET, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL PROVIDE THEM WITH ALL THE TRAINING THAT IS REQUIRED.
WE'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT JUST LIKE WE DID IT FOR YORKTOWN.
AND THEY WILL HAVE ALL THE MATERIALS IN THAT LOCKBOX WHERE THEY CAN COME IN AND JUST CONSULT, UH, THE, UH, THE, THE REALLY RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, IF THERE IS, UH, UH, UH, AN INCIDENT.
MR. DELLY, ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION, THEN I WANNA GO TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, I KNOW WE DISCUSSED LAST, I THINK MONA BROUGHT IT UP ABOUT, UH, HAVING TRAINING FOR SOME OF THE SURROUNDING SUPPORTING FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
UH, HAVE YOU AGREED, UH, THAT YOU CAN DO THAT FOR US? AB ABSOLUTELY.
IN FACT, LOOK, IT IS NOT IN OUR BENEFIT IF THERE IS A, AN INCIDENT THAT THINGS GO BADLY.
WE WANT AS DEVELOPER THIS THING IF GOD FORBID SOMETHING HAPPENS TO BE AS SMOOTH AS POSSIBLE.
SO, YOU KNOW, SPENDING THE, UH, THE FEE, THE AMOUNTS TO TRAIN THE, THE, THE FI FIRST RESPONDERS, IT'S JUST COMMON SENSE.
IT'S GOOD PRACTICE, IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, AND WE WILL DO IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS, UH, AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE.
UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A VERY PRODUCTIVE SESSION.
UM, IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? UM, I CAN INDICATE THAT THERE WAS NO ONE THAT SIGNED UP, UH, TO SPEAK OVER ZOOM.
I DON'T SEE ANYONE ON, BUT NOW WOULD BE THE TIME IF THERE WAS SOMEONE TO SPEAK TO INDICATE THAT THEY WISH TO DO SO NOW.
UH, I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A GOOD PROJECT.
IF THERE ARE OTHER ONES, IT SHOULD BE EASIER BECAUSE THIS IS, YOU'RE THE PIONEER.
THAT'S WHAT'S MADE THIS SO DIFFICULT.
SO, UH, YOU'VE BEEN TEACHING US MR. MARKIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP ON THIS PROJECT.
AND MRS. STOPPY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR HELP AS WELL BECAUSE WE DEFINITELY NEEDED, UH, EDUCATION IN TERMS OF THIS TO HELP MAKE A DECISION.
WHAT I WANT, WHAT I WANT TO DO, I, I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED TO BE QUITE HONEST, THAT WE DIDN'T HEAR OFFICIALLY FROM THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT, UH, EXCEPT FOR, UH, AARON REACHING OUT TO THE CHIEF TODAY.
UH, I WANT TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORT ONE LAST OPPORTUNITY TO JUST OPINE ON, ON, ON THINGS.
SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL, UH, NOVEMBER 16TH AND THEN, UH, COME BACK AND, AND FOR DECISION ON THE FIRST, UH, OUR ONLY MEETING IN DECEMBER, WHICH IS THE 7TH OF DECEMBER, AND THAT WOULD BE THE NIGHT THAT WE WOULD MAKE A DECISION, UNLESS SOMETHING SURPRISING COMES UP, THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD MAKE A FINAL DECISION ON THIS PROJECT.
SO TYPICALLY WE WOULD, THE BOARD, IF IT WERE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, WOULD LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN FOR ONE WEEK.
IN THIS CASE, THE CHAIR HAS PROPOSED LEAVING IT OPEN FOR A PERIOD OF TWO WEEKS, UH, TO CLOSE ON NOVEMBER 16TH.
ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS NEED TO BE SUBMITTED
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BY THAT DATE.UH, WE WOULD ASK THAT THE ADDITIONAL MATERIALS ASKED OF THE APPLICANT BE SUBMITTED BY THAT DATE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE AESTHETIC, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CONCRETE FIREWALL, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS RELATED TO THE DRAINAGE AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, UM, SYSTEM AND, AND OTHER ITEMS BE SUBMITTED BY THAT DATE SO THAT THE BOARD HAS TIME, IF ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS SUBMITTED OR WHEN THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IS SUBMITTED TO DIGEST THAT DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE A DECISION FOR ITS DECEMBER 7TH MEETING.
JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE CAN'T LEGALLY CONSIDER INFORMATION THAT COMES BACK AFTER OUR CLOSING DATE.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHY THERE IS A CLOSING DATE.
AND THE REASON WE'RE EXTENDING IT, I, I KNOW THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT HAS LOTS ON THEIR PLATE, SO WE'RE GIVING THEM A LITTLE EXTRA TIME TO ANSWER, BUT THAT, THAT WILL END ON NOVEMBER 16TH OF THIS YEAR.
THEY NEED TO, TO, TO RESPOND BY THEN OR FOREVER HOLD THEIR PEACE.
IF ANYBODY ELSE IN THE PUBLIC HAS ANY COMMENTS, THEY'RE WELCOME TO SUBMIT THEM.
I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL NOVEMBER 16TH.
ALL OPPOSED? I'LL ALSO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR TONIGHT.
COR UH, I THINK JOHANN, UH, MAKE A MOTION.
ALL OPPOSED? THANK YOU, BARBARA.
DO YOU HAVE A GOOD NIGHT? SO, THANK YOU.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP THAT ONE ITEM IN CORRESPONDENCE.
IT WILL NOT TAKE MORE THAN 10 MINUTES.
WE CAN DO IT FROM UP HERE AND I THINK WE CAN TACKLE IT IN LESS THAN 10 MINUTES.
SO, UH, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT IT.
YOU MAY RECALL THAT, UH, CAPTAIN LAWRENCE WAS BEFORE THIS BOARD, UH, A YEAR AND CHANGE AGO DURING THE PANDEMIC TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITIONAL PARKING LOT, RIGHT, UH, ON ITS SITE CLEAR, A WOODED AREA, UM, WITHIN THE APPROVED PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, THAT PROJECT, AT THE REQUEST OF A BOARD MEMBER, UH, DUE TO CONCERNS ABOUT POTENTIALLY SPEEDING INTO OR OUT OF THE LOT, THERE WAS A SPEED TABLE SHOWN ON THE PLAN, YOU KNOW, PRIOR TO THE PROJECT BEING APPROVED, A SPEED BUMP ON THE TABLE.
NOW, SPEED TABLE, IT COULD BE JUST, YOU KNOW, JIGGLES TOO.
IT DOESN'T GET LITTLE THINGS, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A BUMP.
IT'S A TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURE.
SO, UM, THE, THE PARKING LOT'S BEEN COMPLETED, IT'S FULLY DEVELOPED.
UH, THE LANDSCAPING'S BEEN INSTALLED AND THE APPLICANT'S, UH, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER REACHED OUT TO TOWN STAFF, UM, PRIOR TO THIS TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURE BEING INSTALLED AND SAID, I'D LIKE TO MEET OUT IN THE FIELD TO REVIEW IT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT IT'S NECESSARY, UH, IN THIS INSTANCE FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.
SO I WENT OUT TO THE SITE WITH, UH, SERGEANT NICK REON, GREENBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT, TRAFFIC AND SAFETY.
UH, I TOOK SOME PHOTOGRAPHS AND WE CAN SHOW THOSE.
SO THIS PICTURE, AND I'M, UH, I WILL SHARE IT.
BASICALLY THERE IS AN INCLINE AS YOU, SORRY THAT THIS ISN'T A LITTLE BIT BETTER REVIEW
SO THE, THE LOWER PART OF THE SCREEN WOULD BE CLEARBROOK ROAD.
AND AS YOU ENTER IN, YOU CLIMB UP AND THEN THERE'S A, A TURN, UM, TO GET TO THE MAIN PARKING FIELD, WHICH FUNCTIONS AS ITS OWN TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURE, BOTH IN THE CHANGE IN GRADE OR SLOPE AND THE CURVE.
UM, SO THAT'S NATURALLY GONNA SLOW DOWN VEHICLES ENTERING AND OR EXITING THE SITE.
FURTHER, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED IN LARGE EVENTS, THESE FOUR OR FIVE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE STRAIGHT IN FRONT OF THE ENTRY POINT, THAT THEY WOULD DEDICATE THOSE FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING ONLY SO THAT THERE AREN'T PEOPLE FREQUENTLY ENTERING OR LEAVING THOSE SPACES.
UM, WHEN WE MET WITH SERGEANT REON, HE AGREED THAT THE SPEED TABLE, UM, AS AN ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURE, LIKELY IS NOT WARRANTED.
UH, THE PARKING LOT CAME OUT VERY WELL.
THEY PUT IN THE STRIPING, THEY PUT IN THE LIGHTING THAT THE BOARD ASKED ALONG THE STAIRCASE DOWN TO THE LOWER PARKING AREA.
AND, UM, WE'VE SPOKEN WITH AMANDA ON THIS AND WITH STAFF.
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AGREEABLE, UH, TO THIS REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT, IT CAN BE CAPTURED AS A VOTE THIS EVENING WITH THE FINAL AS-BUILT PLAN BEING PROVIDED TO BOTH OUR OFFICE AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO BE FILED AWAY AS THE FINAL, UH, PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT.THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE JI THE SPEED TABLE, RIGHT? SO WHAT THAT WOULD BE WOULD SPEED TABLE.
WHAT ABOUT SPEED? JG ABOVE? UH, UH, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION THEN TO AMEND THE SITE SITE PLAN TO REMOVE THE TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURE AT THAT POINT.
DO I HAVE A SECOND COMMENT? COMMENT? DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YOU CAN, I HEARD SECOND NOW DISCUSSION.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY? OKAY.
THE, THE, THE THING IS, I DON'T SEE THE DOWNSIDE.
IT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT, UH, IT MIGHT NOT BE AS EFFECTIVE AS WE ORIGINALLY FLAW, BUT WHAT IS THE DOWNSIDE? PLOWING FOR PLOWING FOR ONE THING.
UM, DUE TO IT BEING AT THE TOP OF THE SLOPE, UH, YOU COULD HAVE BOTTOMING OUT SITUATIONS.
UM, ALSO THE
FOR PEOPLE COMING IN, YOU DON'T WANT TO SLAM ON THE BRAKES WHEN THEY SEE THE YEAH, THAT, THAT ADDRESSES MY CONCERN.
UH, CAN I HAVE A VOTE THEN? ALL IN FAVOR OF AMENDING THE SITE PLAN TO REMOVE THE TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURE.
ARE YOU ABSTAINING? YOU'RE IN FAVOR? YEAH.