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[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, November 16, 2022 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
RECORDING IN PROGRESS.GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AND WELCOME TO THE NOVEMBER 60 PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
UH, MR. SCHMIDT, WE CALL THE ROLE PLEASE.
UH, NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. SNAGS IS NOT PRESENT.
AND THEN MS. DAVIS WILL BE FULL VOTING, FULL VOTING NUMBER THIS EVENING.
DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? ONE COMMENT ON PAGE THREE.
I MADE A STATEMENT WHY I, UH, UP ABSTAIN.
AND THAT WAS BECAUSE, UH, BECAUSE OF MY ASSESSMENT THAT, UH, UH, THE BULK DENSITY WAS EXCESSIVE.
I GAVE A REASON WHY YOU DID DO THAT.
ACTUALLY, WE CAPTURED THAT IN DECISION, BUT, UH, I'LL MAKE A NOTE.
YOU KNOW, DON'T YOU GO AND, YEAH, YEAH.
TOM, DO YOU HAD A COUPLE COMMENTS, I THINK RIGHT? BUT YOU ALREADY GOT THOSE RIGHT? AARON? ARE THEY IN THERE? I DID, YEAH.
NOTHING SIGNIFICANT, BUT THEY'RE NOT ON WHAT'S HERE, SO COULD YOU DO NOT.
SO, UM, MY FIRST COMMENT WAS ABOUT, UH, ON THE FIRST PAGE, PB 2116, CAPTAIN LAWRENCE, UH, THE MIDDLE PARAGRAPH WHERE, UM, MR. SIMON ASKED WHAT THE DOWNSIDE OF KEEPING THE SPEED TABLE WOULD BE.
ONE WAS PLOWING, ONE WAS CARS MIGHT BOTTOM OUT, BUT IN THE, UH, THE MEETING LAST TIME, WE ALSO DISCUSSED THAT HAVING A SPEED BUMP SO CLOSE TO THE DRIVEWAY MIGHT CAUSE A CAR TO ENTER AND STOP QUICKLY, WHICH COULD RESULT, UM, IN A REAR END COLLISION SITUATION.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT AS ONE OF THE REASONS.
AND THEN ON PAGE FIVE, THE THIRD PARAGRAPH DOWN THE PARAGRAPH STARTS, UH, CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ.
BUT TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THE PARAGRAPH, THE LINE THAT STARTS WITH SCHWARTZ, SCHWARTZ ASKED ACCESS TO THE UPPER FLOORS.
JUST NEED TO INSERT HOW ASKED HOW ACCESS TO THE UPPER FLOORS WOULD BE PROVIDED.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY? CAN YOU JUST, MONA, LESLIE, ANYONE? YOU YES, MONA, GO AHEAD.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA INCLUDE THIS AS PART OF THE MINUTES, BUT WE DID HAVE SOME CONVERSATION LAST WEEK ABOUT THE CALENDAR MOVING FORWARD FOR NEXT YEAR.
I JUST WANNA GET THE MINUTES FIRST.
THE DRAFT MINUTES DO HAVE ON PAGE THREE THAT MR. SIMON ABSTAINED OPINING THAT THE BUILDING HAS TOO MUCH FAULT.
THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T VOTE NEGATIVE.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDMENT? NO, LET'S OVER A SECOND.
UM, COUPLE OF THINGS BEFORE WE GO ON.
UM, AS MODA WAS BRINGING UP, THERE IS A, WE NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE TO OUR, OUR 2023 SCHEDULE.
THAT'S JUST AROUND THE QUARTER.
UH, WE HAD IT ORIGINALLY ON APRIL 5TH, WHICH COINCIDES WITH THE JEWISH HOLIDAYS, I THINK THE FIRST OR SECOND DAY OF PASSOVER.
SO WE'RE MOVING IT TO APRIL 3RD THAT MONDAY.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO, TO MOVE THAT DATE TO APRIL 3RD? SO MOVED.
MONA, CAN I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, TOM SECONDS.
BEFORE WE GO ON, I JUST WANNA MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT A KIND OF A SAD ANNOUNCEMENT.
UM, VERY SAD ANNOUNCEMENT, ACTUALLY.
CAL WALKER, WHO HAD BEEN, UH, THE SECRETARY OF THE ZONING BOARD FOR 16 YEARS, AND ANYBODY WHO'S EVER WALKED INTO THE THAT OFFICE GOT TO KNOW CAROL PRETTY WELL, PASSED AWAY ON MONDAY.
UM, SO WE SENT OUT, YOU KNOW, A BLESSING TO HER FAMILY AND OUR CONDOLENCES TO HER FAMILY.
THERE WAS, THE FUNERAL ACTUALLY WAS ON TUESDAY, RIGHT? IT WAS YESTERDAY.
IT WAS, YEAH, THERE WAS A SHIFT.
THERE'S A SHIVA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DATES OF THE SHIVA ARE.
YOU CAN EMAIL HIM ONE MORNING.
BUT, UM, ACTUALLY SHE PASSED YESTERDAY MORNING AND THE FUNERAL SERVICE WAS YESTERDAY AFTERNOON.
I'LL TALK TO AARON ABOUT COORDINATING A DONATION FROM THE PLANNING BOARD TO WHOEVER THEY, THEY WANNA GIVE IT TO ME.
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START, UH, IL ON? YES, HE IS.AMELIA, YOU CAN SHOW YOUR, SHOW YOUR RIGHT HAND SOME FACE PLEASE.
AND I'LL BRING UP THE DRAWING.
THIS IS CASE PB 2205 SEEKER WOODS.
IT'S, UH, VACANT LOTS, UH, RE SUBDIVISION OF FOUR EXISTING LOTS INTO FOUR BUILDING LOTS.
SO WE'RE DOING, AND IT'S, UH, PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT A FEW DIFFERENT AREAS ON THERE THAT, UH, AARON AND, UH, MR. ESCALADES WILL TAKE US THROUGH HERE.
SO BEFORE WE TURN THINGS OVER TO MAY RECALL THAT THE, THE PLANNING BOARD HAD SCHEDULED THIS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, SO WE WOULD'VE BEEN HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING, HOWEVER, HAS IDENTIFIED THAT A, AN AREA OF VARIANCE IS REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT RELATED TO CITING THE DRIVEWAY WITHIN THE SIDE YARD SETBACK.
AND I CAN SHOW THAT ON THE SCREEN SO THAT BOARD MEMBERS ARE AWARE.
BUT, UM, IN CONNECTION WITH THE GEOMETRY OF THE ROADWAY TERMINATION, IT'S NOT A CONVENTIONAL CUL-DE-SAC THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY SEE.
IT'S GONNA BE A DEAD END WITH A TURNAROUND, UH, WHICH MEETS NEW YORK STATE BUILDING AND FIRE CODE.
AND THIS ANGLE HERE, OR CURVATURE THAT'S REQUIRED IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE RADIUS THAT'S NECESSARY.
UH, CLIFFS THE SIDE YARD SETBACK, WHICH IS 10 FEET IN THIS PARTICULAR ZONE.
WE CAN'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY SITUATED IN THE SIDE YARD SETBACK IN ANY ZONE OTHER THAN FIVE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS.
SO THEY NEED A REDUCTION FROM 10 FEET DOWN TO TWO AND A HALF FEET.
WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT AND SOME OF THE OTHER CHANGES THAT WERE MADE AT THE REQUEST OF THE BOARD AT THE LAST MEETING.
ULTIMATELY, PROCEDURALLY, WHAT THE BOARD SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT THIS EVENING IS DECLARING ITS INTENT TO SERVE AS THE AGENCY C B A HAS A MEETING TOMORROW SO THEY CAN QUICKLY SIGN OFF ON IT, ANTICIPATE THAT THEY WOULD, AND THEN AT OUR NEXT MEETING, DECEMBER 7TH, PLANNING BOARD CAN CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION AND A DETERMINATION SO THAT THE MAY MOVE FORWARD WITH PROPERTY.
MR. YES, I HAD A QUESTION YOU CAN ASK HIM.
IS, IS THAT TURN AROUND? IT GOES INTO THE PRIVATE? SO IT DOES, IT'S, IT'S SIMILAR TO, UH, THE VAN COTT AVENUE SUBDIVISION, WHERE WE HAD A VERY SIMILAR ROADWAY LAYOUT WHERE IT, IT DID ENTER INTO THE DRIVEWAY, BUT THERE'S GONNA BE AN EASEMENT THAT'S OVER THAT DRIVEWAY.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL USE THEIR TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES IN THE GARAGE.
YOU CANNOT PARK A VEHICLE IN THE EVENT OF EMERGENCY.
IT'S GOTTA BE CLEARED FOR EMERGENCY FOUR.
THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT QUE THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
I, I MEAN, HOW DO YOU STOP SOMEONE FROM PARKING THEIR OWN DRIVEWAY? SERIOUSLY, IT'S, THAT'S A, IT'S A CHALLENGE.
THAT'S A VERY INTERESTING QUESTION.
I I THINK THEY CAN JUST TAKE, TAKE THAT LAST, UH, LAST HOUSE AND THAT MAKES IT VERY CLEAN AND CLEAR BECAUSE THE WAY OH, YOUR MICS, UH, WE HAVE TO PUT OUR MICS ON AND PLEASE SPEAK.
I THINK, UH, MAYBE, UH, APPLICANT SHOULD CONSIDER WITH ALL THESE, UH, TIGHT, UH, RADIUS AND VARIANCE AND SO JUST HAVE A, UH, ONE LESS HOUSE AND HAVE ONLY THREE, THREE HOUSES, UH, SO THAT, UH, IT, IT, IT'S MAKES US A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORTABLE IN RELATION TO, UH, THE EMERGENCY VEHICLE TO, UH, COME AND OPERATE AND, AND, UH, BE EFFECTIVE.
THE, THE ONE THING, KURT, WE ALREADY DO HAVE AN APPROVED WALL OFF SUBDIVISION.
THEY JUST RECONFIGURING IT A LITTLE BIT.
IT WAS PRE, IT WAS ALREADY APPROVED PREVIOUSLY.
MAYBE, MAYBE IT SHOULD HAVE IT, UH, SMALLER HOUSE THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING THEY CAN DO TO KEEP IT OUT OF THE, WE DID APPROVE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT ON KOTT.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS MORE ROOM THAN THIS, BUT TWO NEGATIVE.
THE, THE DRIVEWAY ON VAN KOTT PULLED IN OFF THE ROAD AND THEN IT WAS ONE, A RIGHT HAND, LIKE A 90 DEGREE ANGLE IN TOWARDS A SIDE ENTRY GARAGE.
IT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT SO THAT YOU COULD PARK IN THE DRIVEWAY AND NOT, PROBABLY NOT.
AND P SOMEONE TRYING TO TURN AROUND IN A HAMMER HEAD.
I JUST THINK IT'S SOMETHING, AT LEAST IT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT LEAST A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION OF THE DRIVEWAY I AGREE WITH.
WHAT YOU AT LEAST BE LOOKING TO SEE SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVE TO FOR THE TURNAROUND.
MR. ESCALADES, DO YOU, DO YOU SEE THE POTENTIAL TO, DO YOU UNDERSTAND
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WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE, WHAT THE BOARD'S SAYING? YEAH, I, I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING.I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE AN EXISTING FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION.
UM, AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND BY SPEAKING TO A LOT OF FIRE COMMISSIONERS THAT I'VE MET, I'VE MET IN 75 YEARS OF LIFE, THAT THEY WOULD NEVER, EVER ENTER TO THE END OF ANY, UH, UH, UH, UH, CUL-DE-SAC.
THEY WOULD BACK THE TRUCK UP SO THAT THEY CAN EXIT STRAIGHT FORWARD.
UH, AND EVEN IN TURN, EVEN IN TURNAROUNDS THAT ARE A HUNDRED FOOT, THEY, THEY WANT TO GO STRAIGHT IN AND STRAIGHT OUT.
SO, ALTHOUGH TECHNICALLY THIS MEETS THE GEOMETRIC REQUIREMENTS, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN THAT A CAR MAY BE PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY.
THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THAT IS A FACT.
AND, UH, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING TO ACCOMMODATE, UH, THE TOWN'S WISHES AND TO BETTER SERVE THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF WHAT WAS NOT DONE, BUT WAS APPROVED AND FILED BACK IN 20 YEARS AGO, WE CERTAINLY CONCEDED TO TRY TO DO THE BEST WE CAN, GIVE THE BEST OPPORTUNITY, REDUCE THE LOTS WE HAVE.
WE HAVE PROBABLY LOST A BIT OF AREA, BUT THAT'S INCONSEQUENTIAL.
ALTHOUGH RIGHT NOW IT'S BEING MENTIONED THAT WE SHOULD LOSE ONE LOT.
I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO MY CLIENTS.
I HAVE NOT, I HAVE NO POWER TO SAY YES OR NO TO THIS.
ION I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE ONE ALTERNATE, THAT'S ONE ALTERNATE.
UM, I WANNA RESTATE SOMETHING YOU SAID BECAUSE WE HAVE A FORMER FIRE COMMISSIONER SITTING AT THIS TABLE AND, AND GET HIS REACTION TO IT.
WHAT HE SAID WAS THAT THE FIRE ON, ON DEAD END STREETS, THE FIRE TRUCKS TYPICALLY BACK DOWN THE STREET TO A FIRE.
I I'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IN A SECOND.
UM, THIS TURNAROUND THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ONLY FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
AND COULD YOU SHOW ME WITH A CURSOR HOW A VEHICLE WOULD TURN AROUND? LOOK AT THE RIGHT SIDE.
SO IF YOU WATCH THE RIGHT SIDE, YOU NEED AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE.
SO THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, PULL TO THE END HERE.
RIGHT? LOOK TO THE DETAIL TO THE RIGHT BACK.
EMILIO BACK, BACK INTO THE DRIVEWAY.
NO WAY TO DO THAT WITH A LADDER.
YEAH, THEY WOULDN'T, AND THEY WOULDN'T DO THAT TURN.
I MEAN, I HAD A SITUATION IN MY HOUSE ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
WE HAD THREE FIRETRUCK ON THE STREET.
THEY JUST BACK UP FIRE TRUCKS BACK UP ALL THE TIME.
THEY BACK UP INTO THEIR STATION HOUSE.
YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME THEY GO OUT, THEIR CLEARANCE ON THE SIDE IS PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR FEET.
THEY HAVE PLENTY OF GUYS TO DIRECT THEM OUT OF THE STREET.
I MEAN, IF THERE'S A FIRE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA BE ON THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE STREET, THE END OF THE STREET IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.
THEY'RE NEVER GONNA TURN AROUND.
IT SIMPLY HAPPENED ON MY STREET WHEN THEY CAME DOWN.
COULD WE JUST CONFIRM THAT WITH THE FIRE DISTRICT THOUGH, JUST TO BE SURE.
THAT'S THE SIMPLEST THING TO DO.
IF THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, WE, WE WILL BE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THIS, WE'VE HAD FIRE DISTRICTS WHO TOLD US WE NEED TO MAKE CUL-DE-SACS THIS HUGE CUL-DE-SAC WITH 96.
SO IT DEPENDS ON, ON, ON THE, ON THE, GOT ONE OF THOSE COMING UP.
WE GOT ONE OF THOSE COMING UP TONIGHT.
I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION REGARDING THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
COULD WE LET, LET AMELIA GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION OF WHAT HE DID FIRST, AND THEN JUST HOLD YOUR QUESTIONS.
I, I, UM, I DON'T HAVE THE IDEAL PLANTING DIAGRAM THAT, UM, WOULD BE ADVISABLE TO HAVE AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO MEET, AND I WILL HAVE A MUCH MORE, UH, DETAILED, UH, PLAN.
THE, THE, THE, THE REALITY OF EVERY SUBDIVISION.
AND I KNOW WHY YOU'RE ASKING IT, BECAUSE OF COURSE, YOU MUST MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE APPLICATION, UH, GOES WITH THE MEAN, THE, THE MINIMUM REQUIRED PLANTINGS WITH, WITH THE VERY STRICT LAW THAT WE HAVE NOW FOR TREE CUTTING AND TREE SUBSTITUTION.
UH, IT IS IN, IT IS INHERITED, INHERITED BY THAT LAW.
THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A PLANT JUST TO SATISFY AND CUTTING OF THE TREES.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF, UH, SERVING TWO MASTERS HERE.
UH, THIS, MY, MY CONSULTANTS, WE DID NOT, UH, WERE NOT ABLE TO GET, GET IT TO ME ON TIME.
THERE IS A PRELIMINARY, UH, UH, THREE SUBSTITUTION AND PLANTING PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE TREE PERMIT APPLICATION, THE TREE CUTTING PERMIT APPLICATION, WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED HERE.
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I WANT IT TO BE MORE COMPLETE, UM, FOR YOUR, FOR THE BOARD.UM, WE, THE, THE, THE WAY THAT THE TOWN OF GREENBERG OPERATES, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.
AND I, I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR FOR ANY HOUSE TO OBTAIN A C OF O UNLESS THE PROPER LANDSCAPING PLAN IS APPROVED BY THE, UH, BY AARON AND, AND THE TREE, UH, UH, UM, UM, UM, UH, LOGISTICS, THEY JUST WON'T ISSUE THE PERMIT.
SO I'M ALWAYS HAPPY BECAUSE AT THE END, EVEN IF I HAVE A, A, A, A CLIENT, A, A BUILDER THAT'S OBSTINATE OR, OR, OR FOOLISH, UM, I ALWAYS WARN HIM, I SAID, THEY'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE C OF O UNTIL THE TREES ARE PLANTED AND THE SCHEDULE IS SATISFIED.
SO, UH, I'M, I'M TELLING YOU A LOT, BUT WHAT I'M REALLY SAYING IS THAT NUMBER, THE NEXT MEETING WHERE WE MEET, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, I WILL, WITH PLENTY OF TIME, I WILL SUBMIT THE PLANTING, UH, LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT IS BEING PROPOSED FOR ALL FOUR LOTS.
UM, AND, AND YOU WILL, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO, UH, UH, REVIEW IT COMPLETELY.
AT THAT TIME, I JUST COULDN'T DEVELOP, I COULDN'T DELIVER IT.
UH, AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME MY CONSULTANTS FAILED ME.
AND, UH, BUT IT'S FORTHCOMING.
SO, UH, AMELIA, WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT AND, AND WE HAD SPOKEN AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THAT WOULD BE MORE FULLY DEVELOPED AND SUBMITTED AHEAD OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO NOW THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS OFF AND NOT THIS EVENING, THEY HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME TO FURTHER DEVELOP IT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS THE STANDARDS.
SO WHAT WE DO WANT YOU TO WALK US THROUGH QUICKLY ARE THE THREE, THREE CHANGES THAT YOU MADE TO THE PLAN AND THAT YOU SUBMITTED, BUT THAT THE BOARD HAS NOT SEEN.
THE THREE ITEMS, THE THREE ITEMS WERE FIRST OF ALL LIGHTING, UH, WHICH I THOUGHT, I ALWAYS THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA OF, OF, UH, LOCATING TWO LIGHT POSTS, THE DETAILS ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
UM, IT WAS PROVIDED BY YOU, AARON, BECAUSE, UH, I, I LIKED, I LIKED WHAT THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT, THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH.
SO WE'LL BE USING THAT DETAIL ON THE RIGHT.
UH, IT, IT'LL BE TWO OF THOSE, UM, LAMPPOSTS, UM, ONE CLOSER TO THE, TO THE CCO AND ONE, UH, NEAR THE, THE LAST TWO LOTS, UH, OF THE PROPERTY.
SO BETWEEN LOTS, UH, ONE AND TWO RIGHT THERE IN NEAR THAT ROUND CIRCLE.
UM, SO THAT WILL BE THE LIGHTING POST.
UH, THEN THE SECOND ITEM OF, OF CONCERN WAS, AND THE CORRECTION FOR THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS GONNA BE A PRIVATE ROAD, THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD IS 26.
'CAUSE THAT'S THE STANDARD FOR THE TOWN.
WE HAD 25, SO THAT WAS CHANGED OF COURSE, TO 26.
AND THEN THE, UH, THE OTHER ITEMS WERE THE SIGNAGE THAT WAS SUGGESTED, UH, FOR PROHIBITING PARKING ON ONE SIDE.
I THINK AARON AND I DECIDED, AND I, I'M OPEN TO THE BOARD'S SUGGESTIONS WHETHER IT SHOULD BE NO PARKING ON THE ROAD, ON THE, UH, SIDE THAT IS CLOSEST TO THE HOUSES, WHICH IS WHAT WE PICKED, WE PICKED NO, NO PARKING THERE.
AND, UH, AND, AND ALLOWING FOR ANY EXTRA PARKING TO BE ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE, OF THE ROAD ITSELF.
UM, SO THE TWO SIGN, THERE WILL BE ONE SIGN, UM, UM, WHICH, UM, IT'S, IT'S, UH, GO TO THE, GO TO THE LEFT, AARON, SO THAT WE CAN RE WHAT THE SIGN WOULD SAY.
UM, THE SIGNAGE ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT.
YEAH, IT'S, IT, IT SAYS NO PARKING THIS SIDE OF ROAD, PRIVATE ROAD.
WE, I'M, I'M WELCOME TO ANY KIND OF, UH, TEXT, UH, CHANGES, UH, AS, AS PER THE BOARD MAY, MAY CHOOSE.
AND THEN THE OTHER SIGN, AS YOU CAN SEE, IS THE ONE THAT WILL BE PLACED IN THE REAR OF THE, OF, OF THE, UH, ROAD SO THAT IT WOULDN'T BE BLOCKED WHEN THEY START, UH, UH, REMOVING SNOW AND PLACING IT IN THAT CORNER.
SO THAT WOULD BE, UH, ANOTHER SIGN THAT, UH, WAS SUGGESTED TO BE INSTALLED FOR SNOW, SNOW, UM, REMOVAL.
THE DEBRIS LOCATION, OKAY, HOLD ON.
SO, SO EMILIO, YOU, YOU WOULD PREFER THE NO PARKING ON THE HOUSE SIDE OF THE ROAD, RIGHT? I, I THINK THAT'S BETTER BECAUSE OKAY.
I'M HOPING TO SUGGEST THIS LIO.
UM, THE ADVANTAGE OF THAT IS YOU GET MORE, YOU KNOW, ON STREET PARKING, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT'S WHY WE, BUT MY QUESTION TO YOU, AMELIA, IS THIS, IF WE HAVE CARS PARKING EXACTLY OPPOSITE OF DRIVEWAY, CAN THE GUY GET OUT OF HIS DRIVEWAY ON A 26 FOOT ROAD? WELL, YOU NEED, YOU NEED A 20.
BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE LENGTH OF THE DRIVEWAY AND YOU HAVE, UH, 26 MINUS SIX.
YOU, YOU NORMALLY NEED, UM, LESS THAN 20 FEET FOR AN AVERAGE CAR.
AND FOR A CADILLAC YOU NEED 22 TURNING RATE.
IT WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULDN'T BE AN IMPOSSIBILITY.
NO, IT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM WHERE SOMEBODY GETS TO A FIGHT AND WHATEVER.
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UM, THIS BEING A PRIVATE ROAD AND ONLY BEING OCCUPIED BY FOUR, FOUR HOUSES, I, I'M, I'M, AGAIN, I'M PRESUMING THIS, THAT EVERYBODY WILL KNOW THE HABITS OF EVERYBODY ELSE AND THEY WILL RESPECT THIS AND THAT.AND, AND, AND THE WORST CASE SCENARIO IS WHEN SOMEBODY HAS A PARTY AND, AND THERE WILL BE 10 CARS ON THE STREET.
THAT'S THE ONLY, THE, THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
BUT THAT HAPPENS IN EVERY STREET, UH, IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
AND SO, AGAIN, MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE, I WOULD NOT WORRY ABOUT THAT, NOR HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
AND YES, THERE IS A, A RADIUS THAT WOULD ALLOW THE ATTORNEY YES.
SINCE YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE, YOU CAN, UH, YOU CAN ACCEPT, UH, ONE OF THE SITE TO BE HAVE A PARKING.
SO WOULD YOU CONSIDER PARKING ON THE, THE HOUSE SIDE OF IT INSTEAD OF, UH, I LEAVE THAT UP TO THE BOARD.
I, LEMME FINISH, LEMME FINISH.
ONE IS THAT YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE THAT AREA CLEAR FOR SNOW AND ANY OTHER SERVICES ON THE KIND OF A STRAIGHT, UH, SURFACE, STRAIGHT LINE OF THE, UH, UH, ROAD RATHER THAN HAVING TO BE ON OTHER SITES.
SO FOR, UH, GENERAL MAINTENANCE AND SNOW REMOVAL, I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IF YOU CONSIDER ON THE HALF SIDE OF THE ROAD TO BE PARKING AND PUT IT LIKE, SAY NO PARKING ON THIS SIDE SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND AND IT BECOMES MUCH EASIER TO LOSE THAT.
WHERE I DON'T LIKE HAVING TO PULL OUT OF A DRIVEWAY WHEN THERE'S MAYBE TWO BIG CARS RIGHT THERE AND YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT MIGHT BE COMING DOWN THE STREET.
IT ALSO, YOU KNOW, MEANS LESS PARKING.
I DON'T HAVE A HUGE DISAGREEMENT, BUT I WOULD DO IT THE WAY THEY'RE PLANNING FOR THAT REASON.
'CAUSE I'VE HAD THAT SITUATION IN THE PAST.
I, I WOULD SAY ANOTHER THING ABOUT THE SNOW IS GENERALLY PEOPLE GET OFF THE STREET WHEN IT SNOWS BECAUSE THEY KNOW, BECAUSE THEY, BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHERE THE PLOW IS COMING DOWN.
IF THEY GET ON, IF THEY DON'T GET OFF THE STREET, THEY'RE GONNA BE PLOWED IN AND THEY'LL LEARN FOR THE NEXT TIME.
SO I DON'T THINK THE SNOW IS REALLY AN ISSUE BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER WILL GET THEIR CARS OFF THE STREET WHEN THEY KNOW THAT SNOW IS COMING.
I USED TO MAKE $20 A CAR IN QUEENS WHEN IT'S, WALTER HAS A QUESTION.
I KNOW YOU SAID YOUR LANDSCAPE IN PLAN IS NOT COMPLETE, BUT THERE'S ONE THING I THINK I CAME ACROSS, UH, IN THE READING IS THAT, UH, THE AREA AT THE END WHERE IT IS GOING TO BE STORAGE FOR SNOW, I THINK I SAW A COMMENT THAT THAT WOULD BE GRASS.
THAT WOULD BE WHAT? THAT WOULD BE GRASS OR THE PLOW WOULD JUST RIP THAT UP.
WELL, YEAH, IT CAN BE GRASS AND WE COULD EVEN DUMP.
THEY'RE JUST DUMPING IT THERE.
THEY DON'T, YEAH, THEY'RE JUST PUSHING IT.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO BLADE ALL THE WAY DOWN WHEN THEY'RE DOING THAT.
WE COULD SUGGEST PUT A WALL FOR VISUAL.
I'M JUST WITH MY POINT WAS IF YOU ARE PLOWING OVER THAT GRASS AREA, WOULD IT, WOULD THE PLOW JUST DIG UP THAT GRASS? THAT WAS MY COMMENT TO MY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE ROADWAY EDGE WILL BE CURBED, SO THEY'LL BE PUSHING IT TO THE CURB LINE AND THEN PUSHING IT UP OVER THE, ONTO THE SHOULDER, IF YOU WOULD.
IT'S, YEAH, I DON'T, DON'T THINK IT'S A REAL PROBLEM.
AND I MEAN, IF WE'RE GONNA GET THAT EXACT RECTANGULAR SHAPE WITH THE SNOW PILES, THEN THEY'VE REALLY DONE A GOOD JOB, YOU KNOW,
ALSO, I THINK IF YOU DO NO PARKING, THEN THE, AT THE END OF THE STREET, I THINK YOU SHOULD CONTINUE THAT SIGN.
SO NOBODY PARK AT THE END OF THE STREET WHERE THE SNOW, YOU'RE HAVING TO HAVE A STORAGE.
LET, LET ME ASK A QUESTION TO THE WARD.
IF, IF THE, WHEN THE PARKING SIGNS ARE UP, UH, IF, IF THERE IS, LET'S SAY THERE'S SOMEONE THAT'S FOOLISH ENOUGH TO LEAVE A CAR THERE OVERNIGHT, A WEEK, SOMETHING HAPPENS.
WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO TICKET THAT VEHICLE? IT DOES.
THE, DOES THE TOWN HAVE THE RIGHT TO ENTER THE PRIVATE ROAD AND EXECUTE THE LAW? OA CAN TOW IT.
H O A CAN TOW IT OUR COUNCIL'S TO.
YOU THINK YOU HAD TICKETED BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY.
SO THE POWER OF, THE POWER OF THE NEIGHBORS IS THE H O A, UH, DOCUMENT THAT ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE THE, THE REASONABLE POWER AFTER WARNING, WHATEVER, WHATEVER.
I LEAVE THAT TO THE ATTORNEYS TO TOW AWAY A CAR THAT IS NOT YES.
UH, RECOGNIZED, UH, AS, AS BELONGING THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ANYTHING ELSE THAT ON THIS ONE? YES.
THE BOARD SHOULD CONSIDER DECLARING ITS INTENT TO SERVE
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AS LEAD AGENCY, WHICH WE GET OFF TO THE ZDA MOTION.DO WE HAVE, DO WE DECLARE WHAT TYPE OF ACTION THIS IS ALREADY LISTED? YOU CAN PRELIMINARILY CLASSIFY IT AS UNLISTED, ALTHOUGH WE WOULD TO DO OKAY.
CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO DECLARE US AS, UH, LEAD AGENCY RECOMMEND INTENT, OUR INTENT TO BE LEAD AGENCY? SO MOVED.
ANYTHING ELSE? WE'LL GET THAT OFF, UH, TO THE Z B A TOMORROW.
AND WE'RE GONNA SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE SEVENTH.
NO, WHAT WE'LL DO ON THE SEVENTH IS SEEKER AND A RECOMMENDATION OF THE ZBA A OH, THAT'S RIGHT.
HE'LL GO OFF TO THE ZBA AND THEN COME BACK.
SO THERE'S NO REAL WORK SESSION EXCEPT FOR US, UH, DECIDING ON A RECOMMENDATION AND DOING AND DOING SEEKER.
IF THE, IF THE ZONING BOARD GETS TO SEE SIGNS OFF TOMORROW NIGHT, CORRECT.
IF NOT, WE, WE'LL LEAVE IT THAT'S RIGHT.
FOR ANOTHER, FOR ANOTHER TIME.
SO WE WILL GET THAT LEAD AGENCY, UH, DECLARATION OF INTENT OFF TO THE Z B A FOR TOMORROW SO THAT THEY CAN ACT ON THAT.
I, I JUST WANNA SAY, I JUST WANNA SAY, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED CAROL'S NAME BEFORE, BUT IT, I'M VERY UPSET AND I'M VERY SAD THAT THIS HAS HAPPENED.
UH, SHE WAS A TREMENDOUS HELP TO ME, MANY, MANY PROJECTS, UM, ADVISING ME AND, AND I'M SO UPSET BY THIS.
UH, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION HER NAME ONE MORE TIME.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE A BREAK, GO UP ON THE, UH, GO UP ON THE STAGE FOR, UH, UH, OUR PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF TONIGHT'S MEETING.
SO GIVE US ABOUT FIVE MINUTES, PLEASE SHUT OFF YOUR MICROPHONE.
ARE YOU READY? AND, AND I ASSUME THAT JAN READY.
WELCOME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR MEETING TONIGHT.
UH, MR. SCHMIDT, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE CHAIRPERSON SCHWARTZ.
HERE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. SNAGS IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING, AND MS. DAVIS WILL BE A FULL VOTING MEMBER.
IT IS, UH, PB 2209 METROPOLIS COUNTRY CLUB AT TWO EIGHTY NINE DOBBS FER ROAD.
IT IS FOR A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING ON TONIGHT, IS THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
UM, IT'S FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW FACILITY MAINTENANCE FACILITY ON, UH, THE GOLF COURSE.
IS, UH, MS. GERIS ON, ON KNOW? MS. GARRIS IS ASSOCIATED.
CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M AN ASSOCIATE AT ALBA AL AND WEINGART, AND WE AND WHITAKER HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF METROPOLIS COUNTRY CLUB.
JOINING ME IS ZACH PEARSON FROM INSIGHT ENGINEERING.
UM, WE WERE HERE A FEW MONTHS AGO, UH, FOR, ON A REFERRAL FROM THE TOWN BOARD FOR THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION.
UM, I'LL JUST REFRESH YOUR RECOLLECTION.
THIS IS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TURF CARE FACILITY AND MAINTENANCE BUILDING BETWEEN THE 12TH, 13TH, AND 14TH FAIRWAYS, UM, OFF JENNIFER HILL ROAD.
UM, THE TWO BUILDINGS, UM, IT'S THESE TWO NEW BUILDINGS AND 21 PARKING SPACES AND ONE LOADING SPACE.
UM, SO THERE'S APPROXIMATELY A DISTURBANCE OF 67,600 SQUARE FEET OF SLOPES.
AND I'LL HAVE ZACH WALK YOU THROUGH THAT PLAN AND WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT AS I SAID, THIS IS FOR THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT ONLY.
WE WERE ALREADY HERE ON THE SITE PLAN REFERRAL.
SHE JUST SAID THIS IS A DISTURBANCE, THE 67,000 OR IT IS, BUT NOT THE SAYS 52,000 PLUS 10 PLUS FIVE CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD PERMISSION TO SHARE MY SCREEN? YES.
YEAH, I COULD YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC A LITTLE BIT MORE? SURE.
UH, ZACH PEARSON INSIDE ENGINEERING AND SHARE SCREENS AVAILABLE.
JUST TO REFRESH YOUR BOARD'S MEMORY, THIS IS FOR A, AS ANDY SAID, THIS IS A, A MAINTENANCE FACILITY OFF OF JUNIPER HILL ROAD.
I'M JUST GOING TO, THIS IS FOR THE PUBLIC TOO.
SO YOU'RE NOT ONLY REFRESHING OUR MEMORY, BUT YOU'RE EDUCATING THE PUBLIC.
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OKAY, SURE.SO THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY OFF OF, UH, JUNIPER HILL ROAD, UM, DRIVEWAY ACCESS OFF OF JUNIPER, UH, MAINTENANCE FACILITY, UM, IN THIS LOCATION IN ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, BUILDING HERE, UM, STORMWATER.
UM, WE'VE GOT STORMWATER DESIGN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE STANDARDS, UM, WATER AND SEWER CONNECTIONS TO THE EXISTING UTILITIES IN JUNIPER HILL ROAD.
UM, I JUST WANT TO GO TO THE STEEP SLOPES PLAN REALLY QUICK.
UH, AS ANNIE MENTIONED, THERE IS STEEP SLOPES, DISTURBANCE, UH, THE EXISTING, UH, THE EXISTING SLOPES IN THIS AREA.
THERE'S AN EXISTING KIND OF CAVITY HERE NOW, UH, AS WE'RE PROPOSED TO KIND OF ENLARGE THAT CAVITY WITH GRADING, OPEN IT UP, LOWER IT, PUSH IT DOWN TO GET THE BUILDING IN THERE.
UH, WE ARE CREATING A BERM ON THE EASTERN SIDE, THE FAIR STREET SIDE, TO KIND OF SHIELD THE, THE NEIGHBORS FROM THE, THE VIEW OF THE, THE BUILDING.
UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, HERE'S KIND OF THE, THE, THE GRAY GRAY AREAS ARE THE AREAS OF THE STEEP SLOPE.
SO THERE'S A, A STEEPER SLOPE IN THIS LOCATION WHERE WE'RE COMING DOWN WITH THE DRIVEWAY.
THERE'S A
AND AGAIN, I THINK THESE AREAS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THIS AREA IN HERE IS AN EXISTING OLD BUNKER THAT'S BEEN FILLED IN.
YOU KNOW, THESE ARE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY WORKED OVER.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME STEEP SLOPES IN FRONT OF THE 13TH T WHERE THERE'S STORMWATER BASIN HERE.
AGAIN, THAT'S A, JUST A MODE EDGE OFF THE FRONT OF THE TEE BOX.
SO, UM, AGAIN, WE, WE, I THINK WE STATED THIS AT OUR LAST MEETING.
YOU, WE CAREFUL WITH THE EARTH WORK AND THE GRADING HERE TO TRY TO, UM, BALANCE THE EARTHWORK ON SITE, YOU KNOW, MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC IN AND OUT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT WAS A BALANCE BETWEEN THAT AND THE VIEW.
SO WE PLAYED WITH THE PAD A LITTLE BIT SO THAT, SO THAT PAD'S AT AN ELEVATION SUCH THAT THE BUILDING IS NOT VISIBLE FROM, FROM FAIR STREET.
IT WAS GONNA BE VEGETATION ON TOP OF THAT.
THE, THE, THE CLUB HAS, UH, HIGHER FESCUES IN AREAS ON, ON MOST OF THEIR LARGER MOUNDS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO.
AND THERE WERE TREES AND SHRUBS BETWEEN THE FACILITY AND THAT JUNIPER HILLS AND JUNIPER.
I CAN GO BACK TO THE PLANTING PLAN.
SO THERE'S PLANTING IN HERE ALONG THE JUNIPER SIDE, AND THEN THAT LARGER MOUND, WHICH IS GRADING, JUST KIND OF SHOWS UP WHERE THIS HAND IS HERE.
THE EXISTING VEGETATION ALONG THE 13TH HOLE BETWEEN FAIR STREET AND THE 13TH WHERE THE HAND IS NOW.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NO.
UM, WALTER, UH, UH, JUST A CUR CURIOUS.
WE DID, OKAY, THIS IS THE STEEP SLOPE, SO THAT DOESN'T DIRECTLY SPEAKS TO THE ISSUE OF THE, OF THE, THE ROAD, THE SIDEWALK.
SO, BUT I GUESS WE COULD INCLUDE THAT IN OUR RECOMMENDATION.
SO THAT WAS INCLUDED IN FACT, THAT WAS PART OF THE, YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD? OH YEAH.
ON THE AMENDED SITE PLAN REFERRAL AND THE APPLICANT WAS WILLING TO WORK IN COORDINATION WITH TOWN STAFF AND THE TOWN BOARD TO PROPOSE A SIDEWALK.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE AMENDED SITE PLAN.
COULD WE HAVE MR. PEARSON JUST EXPLAIN WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE SIDEWALK AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THAT GOING UP THE HILL? SURE.
UM, THE, I'M JUST GONNA ZOOM IN HERE A LITTLE BIT YOU GUYS TO SEE.
SO THE CLUB'S PROPOSING TO REPAVE JUNIPER HILL ROAD 20 FEET BEYOND THE ACCESS TO THE MAIN FACILITY.
UM, JUST BASICALLY DENOTED HERE IS THIS LINE REPAY FROM THERE OUT TO FAIR STREET, WE'RE PROPOSING TO PUT A CONCRETE SIDE, CONCRETE CURB, SIDEWALK ON THE CLUB SIDE OF THE ROAD TO, TO ALSO EXTEND FROM THAT LIMIT OF 20 FEET BEYOND THE ENTRANCE ALL THE WAY OUT TO FAIR STREET.
UM, AND AT THE END WE ARE GONNA HAVE A CROSSWALK ACROSS JUNIPER HILL ROAD, NEW SNOOP STRIP OF SIDEWALK HERE IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH PROPERTY, ANOTHER CROSSWALK THAT HITS AN EXISTING CURB RAMP IN THIS LOCATION.
SO WE KEEP PEOPLE AWAY FROM THE FAIR STREET CORNER, WE BRING 'EM ACROSS, WE BRING 'EM ACROSS ONTO THE CLUB SIDE.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ENDED UP WITH THE SIDEWALK.
WE DID HAVE A MEETING TODAY WITH TOWN STAFF ON SITE SERGEANT REX AND TRAFFIC, AND LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE THAT CONTINENTAL BAR STYLE CROSSWALK.
YEAH, BUT THAT DOESN'T EXACTLY ANSWER MY CONCERN ABOUT THE SIDEWALK BECAUSE THAT, UH, UH, GOING DOWN THAT ROAD IS THE, THE, THE BACK ENTRANCE TO THE SCHOOL AND KIDS.
THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT, I BELIEVE MR. PEARSON, RIGHT.
TO JUST DO LIKE A PATH, A PATH PATH BE ON THE SIDEWALK, THE PATH EXTEND.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE A CONCRETE, BUT THERE WILL BE A PATH THAT EXTENDS THE REST OF THE WAY ALONG ALL THE WAY, ALL THE WAY TO THE OPENING OF THE SCHOOL.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE DISCUSSED THE LAST TIME.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT NO, THAT'S FINE.
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, MONA OR ANYBODY? UM, HUGH, UH, WALTER ALREADY ASKED MY QUESTION SO I DON'T HAVE TO ASK IT.BUT JUST FOR THE LEFT, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT.
UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, DEVELOPMENTS HAVE COME BEFORE THIS, UH, BOARD AND ON A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTIES CONCERNED, AND IN EVERY CASE WE INSISTED THAT THE APPLICATION PUT IN A, A FULL SIDEWALK.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THAT WE ARE NOT MAKING THAT SAME CRITERIA THAT THE SIDEWALK IS EXTENDED ALL THE WAY UP.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE NOTE OF THAT.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT EVERY OTHER LARGE DEVELOPMENT THAT THIS BOARD HAVE APPROVED, IT INCLUDED FULL SIDEWALKS, I AGREE.
AT THIS POINT, THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S AN UNIMPROVED ROAD BEYOND THERE, YOU REALIZE THAT, I'M SORRY, IT'S AN UNIMPROVED ROAD BEYOND WHERE THEY ARE PUTTING THE SIDEWALK AS OF TODAY.
AND THAT'S REALLY AN ISSUE I THINK FOR THE TOWN BOARD AND THE SITE PLAN, FIGURING OUT, UM, WHAT, WHO'S, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY EVEN KNOWS WHO OWNS THAT STREET AT THIS POINT.
AND THAT'S REALLY NOT FOR US TO DECIDE.
THAT'S REALLY FOR THE, THAT'S A TOWN BOARD ISSUE.
BUT, BUT IF THEY KNOW WHAT SIDE, THEY KNOW WHERE THAT PROPERTY IS, SO I'M NOT, SO IF WE WERE, IF I WAS ADVOCATING A SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER SIDE, I TOTALLY AGREE, BUT THIS IS THE SIDEWALK ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN WHERE THERE ISN'T A ROAD EXCEPT FOR AN UNIMPROVED ROAD.
NOW THAT'S, SO WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEONE WANTS TO COME IN, BEN, BUILD THE ROAD AFTER THEY BUILD THE SIDEWALK? I'M NOT SURE THAT'S EXACTLY THE WAY YOU'D EVER WANNA BUILD A SIDEWALK, WHICH AS I SAID, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN RECOMMEND AGAIN TO THE TOWN BOARD IN THIS AND AT, AT, IN OUR APPROVAL LETTER TODAY.
BUT I THINK THAT'S A SITE PLAN ISSUE, NOT A STEEP SLOPE ISSUE AND ONE THAT REALLY SHOULD BE DEALT WITH WITH THE BUT YOU, WHEN, WHEN YOU SAY IT'S AN UNIMPROVED ROAD, DOES THAT MEAN IT'S A DIRT ROAD OR IT'S NOT A ROAD AT ALL TO THE PATH? IT'S IT, I WOULD SAY, AND I'LL LET MR. PEARSON SPEAK TO IT, BUT IT'S VERY CHEWED UP ASPHALT THAT IS NOT MAINTAINED.
AND CARS DO NOT DRIVE ALONG THAT TICKET.
NOT REGULAR TRAFFIC, BUT CARS.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE BACK ENTRANCE OF THE SCHOOL.
SO YOU HAVE FROM TIME TO TIME, UH, SCHOOL VER VEHICLES GOING DOWN THAT ROAD.
AT ONE TIME THERE WAS A HOUSE THERE WHERE THE PROP UM, THE CARETAKER, UH, CARETAKER, THE CARETAKER LIVED.
AND THAT ROAD WAS USED FOR MANY YEARS FOR THE CARETAKER TO GET TO THIS HOUSE AND FOR, UH, SCHOOL VEHICLES TO USE THAT ROAD.
DO WE KNOW WHO OWNS ROADS THE ROAD? NO, WE DON'T.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO GO THE SIDEWALK ON A ROAD.
SO WHO OWNS THE, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THE OWNER OF, SO WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY? WELL, AGAIN, IT'S A, IT'S A SITE PLAN MATTER.
JUST WANTED TO LIKE WHAT BEFORE US IF THAT ROAD WAS USED.
AND SO WHO OWNS IT FOR ITS RABBIT? THE TOWN DOESN'T HAVE ANY RECORD OF THE ROADWAY, UM, BEING OFFERED FOR DEDICATION OR ACCEPTED BY THE TOWN BOARD AS BEING DEDICATED THAT I'M AWARE OF.
WELL, THIS IS WHAT I, I'D RECOMMEND ON THE, THAT, THAT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING AS WELL.
THERE ARE SOME MAPS THAT SHOW IT AS BEING A TOWN ROAD.
SO THERE'S, BUT UM, WE ARE, WE, THE APPLICANT IS MAINTAINING THE SIDEWALK AND THE ROAD AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
UM, AND SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD THE SIDEWALK ON OUR SIDE OF THE ROAD, WHICH IS WHERE WE CAN BUILD IT.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE IS NO ACCESS, UH, VEHICLE ACCESS FROM THE BACK OF THE SCHOOL TO THIS PART OF THE ROAD.
SO THERE ARE CARS DO NOT REALLY HAVE ACCESS THROUGH, THROUGH THE ROAD TO ANY OTHER, THEY CAN'T GO DOWN THE ROAD TO THE SCHOOL.
AND THAT CARETAKER HOUSE HAS ALSO BEEN, UH, DEMOLISHED.
WE, OUR MAINTENANCE FACILITY WOULD BE THE ONLY THING ON THIS ROAD.
THIS IS WHAT I SUGGEST BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY THE PURVIEW OF THE TOM BOARD ANYWAY.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IN TERMS OF THAT, AND I DON'T WANT, I DO WANNA HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC.
I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC THAT ARE GONNA TALK.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT STOPPING THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO DON'T WORRY, JUST SIT THERE FOR A SECOND.
WHAT I THINK WE WILL DO IS WHEN WE, UH, APPROVE THIS, OR IF WE APPROVE THIS, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE, OUR DECISION IS HERE, WE WILL AGAIN RECOMMEND TO THE TOWN BOARD THAT, THAT THE ISSUE
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OF THAT ROAD BE INVESTIGATED AND WORKED OUT.AND THEY SHOULD TALK TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TOO ABOUT WHAT THEY EVEN WANT THAT ROAD.
SO THEY NEED TO TALK TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AS WELL.
BUT THAT'S A, TO ME, THAT'S A SITE PLAN ISSUE WAY BEYOND WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON TONIGHT.
THAT'S MY FEELING ON, ON THIS AT THIS POINT.
AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH TOWN PROFESSIONAL STAFF ON THIS, ON THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS ON THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROAD.
UM, AND WE HAVE AGREED TO MAINTAIN IT SINCE THIS
SO YOU COULD MAINTAIN IT TO, TO 20 FEET BEYOND? NO, WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN THE ENTIRE ROAD FOR PLOWING.
WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN THE ENTIRE SIDEWALK AND WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN THAT PATH FROM 20 FEET OFF.
THAT'S WHAT I MEAN, BEYOND THAT PATH, YOU'RE NOT MAINTAINING ANY ROAD BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ONE.
WELL, IT'S, THEY SAY THE PLOW UP A ROAD THAT DOESN'T EXIST.
THEY ALREADY DO PLOW THAT PORTION.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LIKE GRAVEL BEAT UP PAVEMENT.
SO YOU ARE ACTUALLY GONNA MAINTAIN IT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE SCHOOL.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE BOARD BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO THE PUBLIC? OKAY.
IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SPEAK? MANNY, COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME.
UH, UH, MY NAME IS MANNY RISI.
I'M A RESIDENT OF JUNIPER HILL.
I ALSO WROTE HERE, UH, AS, AS A MEMBER OF THE JPE CIVIC ASSOCIATION, UH, I, LOOK, I REALIZE THIS IS A STEEP SLOPE HEARING I GOT.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF YOU DON'T HAVE PROPER ACCESS TO YOUR PROPERTY, THE STEEP, SO ARE TALKING ABOUT SLEEP, SO IS ACADEMIC.
OKAY? AND THAT HAS TO BE WORKED OUT.
FIRST OF ALL, YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT A GUY WHO'S HAVE A SUBDIVISION AND HE'S PUTTING 26 FEET OF ROAD TO ACCESS A SUBDIVISION.
THESE PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING A DRIVEWAY THROUGH THEIR DRIVEWAY.
OKAY? AND, AND NOBODY'S TALKING ABOUT BUILDING A PROPER ROAD.
I IT'S, IT'S, NO, NOBODY HAS ACKNOWLEDGED IT, BUT THEY PUT WATER IN, THEY PUT FIRE, FIRE HYDRANTS IN.
THEY HAVE PUT LIGHTING ON THAT ROAD.
ALL THESE, ALL THESE SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED BY THE TOWN OF GREENBURG ARE IN EXISTENCE THERE.
OKAY? AND THEY NEED THE ROAD ALL THE WAY TO THE END.
THE REASON WHY THEY'RE APPLYING ALL THE WAY TO THE END BECAUSE THEY HAVE A PUMP HOUSE THAT THEY NEED ACCESS TO REPAIR AND MAINTAIN.
SO IT'S NOT OUT OF SOME KIND OF, OF, UH, UH, GOODWILL.
THE QUESTION OF, OF BUILDING THE ROAD PROPERLY HAS NOT BEEN CLEARED WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I'VE TALKED TO A FIRE COMMISSIONER, HE TALKED TO THE FIRE CHIEF AND THE, THE, THE FIRE ENGINES SITUATION HAS TO BE COVERED.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO PARK ON THAT ROAD.
IF THEY'RE BUILDING A DRIVEWAY THAT'S 20 FEET WIDE OR WHATEVER IT IS TO THEIR DRIVEWAY AND SOMEBODY PARKS ON THAT ROAD, YOU CAN'T ACCESS IT.
YOU CAN'T ACCESS IT WITH A FIRE ENGINE OR ANY OTHER WAY.
IT'S, THAT'S PART OF JUNIPER HILL ROAD.
IT HAS TO BE BUILT AS A ROAD, NOT AS, AS SOME WIDE DRIVEWAY TO THEIR DRIVEWAY.
AS FAR AS THE SIDEWALK IS CONCERNED.
I AM GONNA TELL YOU THIS, I'M GONNA TELL YOU THIS BECAUSE THE QUESTION OF, OF PLOWING, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SAFETY OF THE CHILDREN AND OTHER, OTHER PEDESTRIANS THAT USE THAT ROAD.
YOU HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT THE, THE, THE CONNECTORS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE RIDICULOUS.
'CAUSE THE FIRST ONE, FROM THEIR SIDE TO THE OTHER SIDE, IT'S GOING TO A GRASS KNOLL.
IT'S NOT EVEN GOING TO A SIDEWALK.
IT'S GOING, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, ITS MARKINGS THAT GOING THROUGH A PIECE OF THE CURB, WHICH IS GRASSY.
IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S SHOWING YOU TO GO TO ANOTHER, TO ANOTHER SIDEWALK.
AND, AND OF COURSE THEN THEY CONTINUE ON ONWARDS.
IF YOU PUT PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OR THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD, THEY MAINTAIN, THEY MAINTAIN MAINTAINED A TRAVEL LANE ALL THE WAY TO WHERE THE PROPER CROSSING SHOULD BE.
ANOTHER, ANOTHER BASIS IS THEY'RE TALKING, THEY'RE TALKING TO ALL THESE, ALL THESE PEOPLE AND THE COMMUNITY'S NOT INCLUDED.
THEY'RE TALKING TO POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS MAKING UP A STORY THAT THEY CAN PUT A STOP SIGN ON, ON FAIR STREET.
THEY CAN'T, BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MILLIONS OF TIMES OF DOING THAT.
THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO IT BECAUSE OF THE SLOPE ON THAT ROAD.
SO THE SAFETY IN CROSSING HAS MORE TO DO THAN THE STOP SIGN OR MARKING.
IT HAS TO DO WITH SIGHTLINES HAS TO DO WITH A DISTANCE TO THE CROSSING.
THERE ARE MANY OTHER FACTORS THAT MAKE A CROSSING SAFE.
NOT JUST BECAUSE YOU PUT MARKINGS ON THE SIDEWALK ON THE STREET, NOT BECAUSE YOU PUT A STOP SIGN, WHICH THEY CAN'T DO ANYWAYS.
IT'S BECAUSE OF THE SIGHTLINES, WHICH COMING UP JUNIPER HILL, THE SIGHTLINES ARE HORRIBLE THERE.
IF YOU, AND NOBODY'S GOING TO CROSS FROM, NOBODY'S GONNA CROSS BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH.
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TO THE FAIR STREET SIDEWALK.I'M TELLING YOU THIS, YOU CAN LOOK AT ALL THE SIGHT PLANTS AND ALL THE BUILDING PLANTS, BUT IF THERE'S NOT PROPER, NOT PROPER CONS, PROPER AWARENESS IN HOW THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN, WHETHER IT'S TRUCKS, WHETHER IT'S FIRE ENGINES, WHETHER IT'S EMPLOYEES, YOU SHOULDN'T BE MOVING PAST THIS.
THE SITE PLANT HAS TO BE DONE.
AND I'M TELLING YOU THAT IF THE COMMUNITY'S NOT INCLUDED IN THIS, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT.
THE COMMUNITY IS THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO LIVE WITH THIS PROJECT, NOT JUST THE APPLICANT.
SO I AM SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT THEY'RE HAVING MEETINGS AND NOBODY FROM THE COMMUNITY'S BEEN INCLUDED.
THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY HAS TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON AND, AND STORIES CAN BE TOLD WITHOUT THE COMMUNITY, UH, HAVING A SAY IN IT.
JUST FOR THE RECORD, UH, THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT WILL NOT BE ISSUED WITHOUT THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL ANYWAY, SO, OKAY.
SO YOU HAVE, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR CHANCE IN FRONT OF THE, THE TOWN BOARD AS WELL.
BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. PEARSON.
WE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, WELL BEFORE YOU DO, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO SPEAK? I'D RATHER GET THAT DONE.
AND THEN HAVE YOU RESPOND? NOBODY ON, ON ZOOM, RIGHT? NO.
MR. PEARSON, IF YOU'D LIKE TO RESPOND.
SO IT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE TO DO THE STEEP SLOPES.
I CAN RESPOND TO SOME OF THAT IF YOU'D LIKE.
UH, HE'S HERE, HE, HE HAD THE TIME TO ACTUALLY COME OUT HERE AND NOT BE ON ZOOM.
I THINK WE OWE, OWE HIM THAT, THAT MUCH.
SO AS I STATED BEFORE, WE, WE'VE MET WITH TOWN STAFF PRIOR TO THE LAST TOWN BOARD MEETING ON, AND THE PUBLIC WAS THERE AS WELL.
UM, WE WERE INVITED TODAY BY TOWN STAFF TO MEET WITH THE FIRE CHIEFS, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT TO LOOK AT THIS VERY AREA.
SO THE TR I, I DON'T BELIEVE, I DON'T BELIEVE FIRE HAD ANY ISSUE WITH, WITH OUR PROPOSAL.
UM, THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT GAVE US SOME, UH, SOME SIGNAGE THAT HE WANTED AND IT ADDED TO THE PLANS RELATIVE TO A DEAD END FOR JUNIPER HILL ROAD, A STOP SIGN TRUCKS LEFT ONLY COMING OUT.
UM, TO, TO GET INTO THE SIDEWALK CROSSING AGAIN, THERE'S AN EXISTING SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF FAIR STREET OR SOUTH SIDE OF JUNIPER HILL ROAD WITH A CURB RAMP PIER.
WE'RE PROPOSING A CROSSWALK ACROSS THE STREET TO A NEW STRIP OF SIDEWALK HERE TO A CROSSWALK TO THE SIDEWALK ON THE CLUB SIDE.
SO WHAT HE'S SAYING IS, NOW GRASS, YOU ARE GONNA DECIDE, WE'RE PROPOSING IT TO BE CURB.
YOU'RE PUTTING A SIDEWALK IN THERE.
RIGHT THERE, RIGHT WHERE THE HAND IS IS GONNA BE A SIDEWALK.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE CROSSING THAT NOBODY WANTS TO SEE HAPPEN.
COMING ACROSS FAIR STREET, THIS LONG CROSSING WHERE PEOPLE COME UP THE HILL AND JUST MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN.
WELL HELP ME OUT HERE AND ACTUALLY
YOU MEAN FROM THE SCHOOL TO BACK TO JUNIPER HILL OR WHAT? NO, IF THEY, IF THEY'RE GOING TO SCHOOL IN THE MORNING BOTH WAYS.
WHERE, WHERE, OKAY, SO WHERE THE HAND IS NOW, THERE'S A, THERE'S THE SIDEWALK, THERE'S A SIDEWALK THAT COMES UP FAIR STREET TO HERE, COMES AROUND THE CORNER AND THERE'S A CROSSWALK RIGHT HERE THAT COMES ACROSS.
THERE'S A SIDEWALK THAT COMES DOWN TO A CURB RAMP RIGHT HERE.
THEN HOW DOES THIS HELP THE PROBLEM CROSSING FAIR STREET? YOU CROSS IT, YOU CROSS IT HERE.
YOU DON'T CROSS IT ON THE SLOPE HERE.
SO PEOPLE YOU REALLY BELIEVE, AND I'M, I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION.
SO WE BROUGHT THIS I USED TO BE ONE.
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WALK ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE STREET AND THEN COME BACK ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT.
I, I FOUND THAT HARD TO BELIEVE.
SO WE BROUGHT THIS UP AT THE TOWN BOARD AND THAT'S A LARGER TRAFFIC ISSUE THAT HAS TO BE DEALT WITH.
THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, HOW IS THAT A STEEP SLOPE GOING UP? FAIR STEEP THERE COMING UP.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, SO THIS IS THE LOW POINT.
SO WHY CAN'T YOU PUT A STOP SIGN AT THE TOP OF THE HILL? I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.
I MEAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T STOP.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S ONE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONE AT THE TOP OF LIKE THAT LITTLE PIECE OF EDGEMONT ROAD GOING FILL IN WITH, THERE'S A STOP SIGN THERE.
IS IT, IS IT CORRECT THAT YOU HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT A STOP SIGN IN THAT LOCATION? THEY, WE, THEY DID AND THEY WERE NOT GONNA ENTERTAIN IT AT THIS TIME.
FOR THE REASONS PROBABLY THAT, THAT THE, UH, STOPPING ON THE HILL WAS ONE OF 'EM, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO I DON'T, I JUST, SO I, I MEAN I COULD GO TO STREET VIEW IF YOU GUYS WANT ONE CONVERSATION PLEASE.
WE'RE GONNA GO TO STREET VIEW.
UH, WALTER, WHAT DID YOU WANT SAY? HOLD ON FOR A SECOND, MR. PEARSON.
I'D JUST LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT, UH, ARM.
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SAID THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALWAYS DO, WE ASK WHETHER APPLICANTS SPEAK TO YOUR NEIGHBORS.DID YOU SPEAK TO YOUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR? BECAUSE A LOT OF, UH, THE ISSUES CAN BE RESOLVED JUST BY SPEAKING TO YOUR NEIGHBOR.
AS I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU, HAVE, YOU HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD.
HAVE YOU HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE, UH, UH, THERE'S A CHURCH ON THE CORNER.
THERE'S HOUSES AROUND, THERE'S A VERY ACTIVE CIVIC ASSOCIATION, THE JUNIPER HILL CIVIC ASSOCIATION FOR THAT AREA.
DID YOU HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM? THOSE WERE HAD DURING THE SITE PLAN PROCESS WITH THE TOWN? PARDON ME? THOSE WERE HAD WITH THE TOWN BOARD? YES.
WE HAD A GET A SITE MEETING ON SITE.
BUT I'M SAYING CIVIC ASSOCIATION, PRESENT THE SCHOOL.
UH, THE CHURCH WAS ALSO PRESENT ON SITE.
SO YOU HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS AROUND THIS AREA? YES.
OH, IF YOU TALK ANYBODY FROM THE SCHOOL.
YOU SAID THE SCHOOL WAS, THE SCHOOL WAS AT THE, THE SCHOOL WAS AT THE SITE MEETING.
I WANT YOU TO COME UP FOR ONE SECOND, BUT MAKE IT BRIEF.
YOU HAVE TO DO IT FROM THE MICROPHONE THOUGH.
AND THIS ISN'T GONNA BE BACK AND FORTH.
LOOK, I'M, I'M, I'M, I WANT BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND, AND I, I, I WANT, I WANT METROPOLIS TO HAVE THIS FACILITY.
'CAUSE WE, WE NEED THEM TO SURVIVE.
THE POINT IS, THE ONLY REASON THEY WERE AT THEY WERE AT THE SITE, AT THE SITE MEETING WAS BECAUSE I CONTACTED THEM.
NO, THE POINT IS THAT THE APPLICANT NEVER MADE AN EFFORT TO CONTACT THESE PEOPLE.
I CONTACTED, I, I CONTACTED THE, THE, THE CHURCH.
I CONTACTED THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
BUT DID THEY TALK TO THEM? THEY DID TALK TO THEM.
BUT HE, BUT HERE'S, HERE'S THE OTHER PART.
THERE WAS A STORY DEVELOPED, A NARRATIVE DEVELOPED THAT WAS SUPPORTED BY, BY REON OFFICER REON THAT DIDN'T, DIDN'T FIT, DIDN'T FIT THE TRUTH OR THE FACTS OF THE MATTER.
BECAUSE WE'VE MET WITH REON A NUMBER OF TIMES BY HAVING MULTIPLE STOP SIGNS ON THAT INTERSECTION.
AND HE'S ALWAYS TOLD US THAT THEY CAN'T DO IT.
AND GUESS WHAT? AT THAT SITE PLAN, HE SAID, WELL, WE'LL LOOK INTO IT.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW WHAT MY POINT IS? THIS IS THE, I I GOT, I GOT YOUR POINT.
I THINK, I THINK IT IS PROBLEMATIC.
IT MAY HAVE TO, THE INTERSECTION HAS TO BE RE-LOOKED AT.
I DO, DO I I DON'T BELIEVE THE CONFIGURATION UP THERE.
I I, TOM, GO AHEAD BEFORE I CONCLUDE.
LET ME JUST ASK, 'CAUSE WE LOOKED AT THIS A COUPLE TIMES A WHILE AGO, AND MY RECOLLECTION, WHICH COULD BE FAULTY, IS THAT THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SIDEWALK AND THE ROAD KIND OF WAS THE TAIL ON THE DOG WHERE WE HAD, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE BUILDINGS, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE SLOPES, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF PARKING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
WELL, WHAT ABOUT A SIDEWALK? AND THEN YOU WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING A PLAN.
SO I'M NOT, UM, NEGATING WHAT WAS JUST SAID, UM, BY THE PUBLIC, BUT IT WASN'T THE GIST OF YOUR APPLICATION.
UH, IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ROAD, THE ROAD WAS ADDED ON.
SO I'M GUESSING THAT YOU WERE NOT ANTICIPATING, YOU KNOW, UM, A LOT OF CONTACT WITH THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT THE ROAD ITSELF BECAUSE IT CAME UP LATER.
SOME OF, SOME OF THESE THINGS WERE PART OF THE, WE CAN'T TALK FROM IT.
SOME OF THESE WERE PART OF THE BRIGHTVIEW PROJECT.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE, THE IMPROVEMENTS ALONG JUNIPER HILL AND THE RELOCATION OF THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY WERE PART OF THE JUNE, WERE PART OF THE, THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY PROJECT.
I, WE FOUND OUT SOME OF THESE THINGS THROUGH DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF THE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN THE CLUB THAT ARE, WERE ON DIFFERENT BOARDS.
SO BEING INVOLVED IN THAT PROJECT, THAT THE, THAT THE NEIGHBORS WERE REALLY INVOLVED.
THE TIME, TIME OF THE BRIGHTVIEW PROJECT.
THE CLUB TOLD US, YOU KNOW, THAT THESE WERE PART OF THE STIPULATIONS THAT WERE PART OF THAT PROJECT, WHICH I'M NOT, I WAS NOT PRIVY TO.
I I THINK THIS HAS VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH WHAT OUR DECISION IS.
I AGREE ON A STEEP SLOPE THAT, OKAY.
I DO THINK THERE ARE SOME ISSUES HERE THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN UP BY THE TOWN BOARD.
AND AARON, I THINK MAYBE WE COULD JUST SAY THAT WE, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THE TOWN BOARD.
A MEMO THAT WE CAN SEE ON THE SEVENTH.
UM, WHEN DID, DO YOU KNOW WHEN THEY'RE TAKING IT UP? YEAH.
IT'S UM, IT'S AT THE NEXT TOWN BOARD MEETING.
THEY'VE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND IS THAT NEXT WEEK SOMETIME? YES, NEXT WEEK.
THEY ALREADY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THEY ALREADY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING, YES.
AND WHEN WAS THE RECORD CLOSED? DO YOU KNOW?
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THE RECORD WAS CLOSED SEVEN DAYS AFTER THEY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.NOT THEIR LAST MEETING, THE MEETING BEFORE.
SO SOMETIME IN IT'S NOT MUCH OCTOBER.
WE, WE WILL, WE WILL, I CAN SPEAK TO THE COMMISSIONER RIGHT.
ON BEHALF THE BOARD AND, AND WE WILL EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT THE CONCERNS WERE TONIGHT, AND MAKE SURE THEY GET COMMUNICATED TO THE TOWN BOARD JUST SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.
I MEAN, THEY, THESE CONCERNS HAPPEN, COMMUNICATED TO THE TOWN BOARD AS RECENTLY AS THEIR LAST MEETING.
IT'S NOT DECISION, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT WHOLE THING, THAT PART OF IT IS THEIR DECISION.
I MEAN, IF WE HAD SITE PLAN APPROVAL HERE, IT'D BE DIFFERENT.
THEN IT WOULD BE BE OUR PURVIEW.
IT'S NOT, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO OWNS THE DARN STREET, WHICH MAKES IT EVEN HARDER AT THIS POINT.
I DO THINK THE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TRAFFIC GOES UP THERE.
I, I HAVEN'T SEEN TRAFFIC STUDY.
I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T EXPECT, I THINK WE TALKED BEFORE THE, THE NUMBER OF CARS COMING IN AND OUT OF METRO, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY MINIMAL.
ON THE TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE FEW DELIVERIES OCCASIONALLY.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT PART OF IT AT ALL.
ONE THING YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER TO THE POINT OF AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE HAVING TO GET ON THE METROPOLIS PROPERTY, THAT DIRECTION, YOU MAY WANNA CONSIDER NO PARKING SIGNS ON ONE SIDE SIDE OF THE STREET THERE.
WE DISCUSSED THAT WITH THE TRAFFIC AND THE FIRE CHIEF TODAY.
THEN YOU DON'T HAVE A WORRY ABOUT RIGHT.
I'M NOT SURE WHY ANYBODY WOULD PARK THERE, WHERE THEY'RE GONNA GO.
AND THERE, THERE'S NO INTENTION FOR CARS TO PARK ON THAT STREET.
AND SO YOU MAKE SURE WE HAVE PARKING ON AT OUR FACILITY, SO THERE SHOULD BE NO CARS PARKED ON THE STREET.
THE HIGH SCHOOL, THE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS COULD PARK ON THAT STREET.
SO THAT THE WAY TO STOP THAT IS TWO HOUR PARKING OR WHATEVER THAT STOPS A HIGH SCHOOL KITCHEN PARKING THERE TOO.
SO IT'LL GO BACK TO THE, TO THE TOWN BOARD.
WE WILL CONSIDER THE, THE STEEP SLOPE SEPARATELY FROM THAT 'CAUSE.
AND LET, AND, UH, AARON'S GONNA DRAFT A NOTE THAT WE WILL SEND TO THE TOWN BOARD.
JUST AGAIN, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS ONE AND MAKE THEIR DECISION.
THAT'S THE BEST WE CAN, THAT'S WHAT WE CAN DO.
YEAH, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T ACT ON THIS YET ANYWAY, SINCE THE TOWN BOARD HASN'T ADOPTED THEIR NEGATIVE ROOM.
UM, I, I'LL ACCEPT A MOTION TO CLOSE TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS AND LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN UNTIL THE 23RD OF NOVEMBER.
CAN I HAVE THAT MOTION PLEASE? SO MOVED.
TOM, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
CAN I HAVE A MO CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS MEETING? SO MOVED.
SORRY, MO ALL IN IN FAVOR? AYE.
JUST WANT TO OKAY, GO AHEAD QUICKLY.
JUST FOR THE APPLICANT'S BENEFIT.
SO IF THE TOWN BOARD DOES IN FACT ACT NEXT WEEK, THEN THIS BOARD WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO RENDER ITS DECISION ON DECEMBER 7TH.
IF NOT, THEN IT WOULD PUSH FROM THERE.
WE'RE GONNA GO BACK DOWN IN A WORK SESSION IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES FOR THE REST OF THE MEETING.
BE AWARE THAT WE'LL BE GETTING TO THAT.
TURN YOUR MICS ON GUYS IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY.
WE'RE GOING BACK IN A WORK SESSION NOW.
UH, WE'VE GOT THREE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA AND IF WALTER BEHAVES HIMSELF, WE'LL GET THROUGH THEM TONIGHT.
UH, FIRST ONE IS KATE, EXCUSE ME SIR, IF YOU WANT TO TALK, PLEASE DO IT OUTSIDE.
IT'S A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
IT'S FOR, UH, A PROJECT WHERE THEY HAD BUILT A WALL RIGHT.
AND IT HAD COLLAPSED AND THEY REPLACING THAT WALL.
UM, AND ALSO AT THE SAME TIME EXPANDING, I BELIEVE THE AMOUNT OF, UH, OF, UH, BACKYARD THEY HAVE HAVE AT THE SAME TIME.
AM I CORRECT ON THAT? THAT'S CORRECT.
IS THE A HERE, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, ON ZOOM? IS ON ZOOM THIS EVENING? THEY REMOVED OR IT'S STILL, WE CAN ASK.
THERE WERE PICTURES I THINK IN THE STAFF REPORT.
WE'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO YOU, SIR.
I'M JUST TRYING TO REPLACE THE WALL IN MY BACKYARD.
DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANYONE HERE PRESENTING ON YOUR BEHALF IN TERMS OF A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL? NO, I GAVE YOU GUYS ALL THE PLANS.
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I THINKSO WHAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL IS I WILL BRING UP THE DRAWING FOR THE PROJECT AND IF YOU COULD JUST BRIEFLY WALK THE BOARD THROUGH IT AND THEN I CAN KIND OF MAYBE FILL IN THE BLANKS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD.
JUST BEAR WITH ME JUST FOR ONE MINUTE.
WE MAY ASK FOR A SECOND WORK SESSION.
'CAUSE WE'D LIKE TO HAVE, THIS IS A VERY LARGE PROJECT IN TERMS OF THE SIZE OF THE WALL.
AND WE'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE DESIGN PROFESSIONALS DIRECTLY, NOT, NOT THROUGH, UH, THIRD PARTIES.
SO, UM, WE'LL SEE HOW FAR WE GET TONIGHT.
ALRIGHT, WELL IF I, IF I KNOWN THAT, YOU KNOW, BEFOREHAND, I WOULD'VE MADE ARRANGEMENTS TO HAPPEN.
WELL IT IS WHAT IT IS NOW, BUT IT'S A, THIS IS A PRETTY SAFE, EXTENSIVE WALL AND WE'RE, WE'RE VERY CONCERNED THAT, AND IT COLLAPSED ONCE.
SO WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT
IT WASN'T FINISHED WHEN IT COLLAPSED FROM WHEN WE HAD IDA.
BUT, BUT WE HAVE OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO DO AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE TECHNICAL DETAILS.
SO, I MEAN, IF YOU WANNA WALK THROUGH GENERALLY THE PROJECT TONIGHT, WE'LL SEE THAT AND WE'LL SEE HOW FAR WE GET.
BUT I, I HAVE A FEELING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A SECOND WORKING SESSION ON THIS ONE.
WE'RE BASICALLY JUST GONNA PUT A, THERE USED TO BE A FENCE THERE AND WE PUT UP A WALL AND UH, WE JUST WANT TO CONTINUE THE WALL AND LEVEL THINGS OUT.
UH, ON THE GREENBERG WEBSITE, IT DOES SAY THE WALL IN THE BACKYARD COULD BE UP TO EIGHT FEET HIGH WITHOUT A PERMIT.
I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT SECTION 2 85 DASH 40 C, IT SAYS RIGHT THERE, THE BACKYARD NOT TO EXCEED EIGHT FEET.
COUNSEL, COULD YOU ANSWER THAT FOR US PLEASE?
IT SAYS WALL, IT SAYS, IT SAYS FENCE OR WALL.
RIGHT? NOT A RETAINING WALL, A DECORATIVE WALL A WALL, WALL'S A WALL.
I MEAN, NO, ITS WALL IS NOT A WALL.
NOT WHEN IT STARTS TO GO BACK EARTH.
IT'S NOT, NOT JUST A NICE PRETTY STONEWALL IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE.
THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE, WHICH IS WHY WE, WE REALLY ARE VERY CAREFUL WHEN WE APPROVE THESE THINGS AND THAT'S WHY IT COLLAPSED.
WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER WALL? SO WHAT, WHAT WAS, WHERE WAS THE WALL BEFORE COMPARED TO WHAT'S ON THE PLAN NOW? WAS IT ALONG THAT SAME, SAME, SAME SPOT.
THE, THE PERIMETER WALL, CORRECT? YES.
THERE WAS NO, AND THEN THIS INTERIOR WALL THAT COMES ALONG, I HAD HIM THAT'S GONNA BE ADDED BECAUSE THE ENGINEER, WHEN HE WAS DECIDING IT, IT WAS STILL GONNA SLOPE DOWN.
SO INSTEAD OF HAVING, UH, PROBLEMS WITH WATER RUNOFF AND EVERYTHING, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE EVERYTHING FLAT AND TO BRING IT IN UP A LITTLE.
IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR DRAWINGS, AND I'M SORRY I DON'T HAVE THE OTHER DRAWING, BUT, UM, I CAN SPEAK TO IT A LITTLE BIT.
THIS AREA IN HERE, ON THE OTHER DRAWING, THERE'S A LIMITED DISTURBANCE THAT ROUGHLY CUTS THROUGH IN THIS AREA AND THEN GOES AROUND THE WALL.
THIS AREA WILL BE FILLED UP TO THE, THE, TO THE ELEVATION OF THE TOP OF THE WALL THAT'S PROPOSED.
SO THEN THE FACE OF THE WALL WILL BE ON THE OUTSIDE, AND THEN THIS WILL BE A FLAT AREA DOWN HERE.
AND THEN WHAT IS IT? AND THEN THIS SLOPE UP AT THE END OF
THE THE, THE AREA BETWEEN THE TWO WALLS ARE NOT FLAT.
WELL, THE, THE 3 0 4 CONTOUR IS A PROPOSED CONTOUR THAT WILL RUN BASICALLY THE LENGTH OF THE SIDE AND, AND THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE BACK.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT WALTER'S QUESTION IS, IS SO THEY, IT'S NOT FLAT.
ARE THEY GONNA LEVEL THE, THE IT'S LAND BETWEEN THE TWO WALLS? YEAH, IT'S ESSENTIALLY CLOSE SLOT.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S INDICATED IN THE, THE, IN THE DRAWING.
TE FIVE INDICATE THAT THERE'S A SLOPE.
YEAH, THERE'S A SLOPE BETWEEN THE TWO HERE.
THE BOTTOM OF THE WALL IS 3 0 5.
AND THERE'S A GRADING LINE AT 3 0 4.
HOW MANY FEET IS THAT? TO, TO ABOUT TWO FEET.
YEAH, IT'S A WHY WOULD YOU SLOPE IT? IF YOU LOOK AT S O YOU'RE NOT SLOPING IT.
IT'S, IT'S, THEY'RE NOT GRADING IT.
THEY'RE NOT, IT'S A, IT'S A, WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS GRADING INSIDE THE INNER WALL.
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TO, TO CREATE A FLAT BACKYARD.SO THIS AREA IN BETWEEN THE WALLS WILL STILL BE ON THE SLOPE.
IT'S A NATURAL, THE NATURAL CON CONTEND.
AND THEN, YEAH, HOW DO YOU GET FROM THE FLAT PART OF THE YARD DOWN THERE? HOW THERE'S STEPS IN THE DRAW PLANTS THERE.
SO THERE'S A STAIR RIGHT HERE.
SO, SO FROM THIS UPPER AREA, IF YOU WILL, YOU GO DOWN, YOU CAN WALK DOWN, DOWN THE STAIRS, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE ACCESS ACCESS DOWN THERE.
IS THAT GONNA BE LAWN AREA THAT'S MOWED AND MAINTAINED ON THE TOP? YES.
ON THE BOTTOM WE DID HAVE GRASS MOST LIKELY TO GRASS AND POT GRAVEL WITH TREES.
YOU'RE GOING TO PLANT DOWN THERE? YES.
WHAT ABOUT PLAN? PUT IN, UH, GREEN GIANTS ALONG THE EDGE.
AT SOME POINT WE'LL SEE A LANDSCAPING PLAN.
UH, THERE ARE NO TREES PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROPERTY.
DO YOU HAVE AN, UH, A SENSE OF SOMETHING THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE AHEAD OF A PUBLIC HEARING THAT COULD SHOW APPROXIMATELY WHERE THE GREEN GIANTS MAY BE LOCATED? JUST TO AID THE BOARD? YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA BE ALONG THE WALL BETWEEN THE, THE TWO WALLS.
HOW MOSTLY ON THE WEST END AND ON THE NORTH SIDE, PROBABLY HALFWAY UP BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY A 10 FOOT SPACE BETWEEN BOTH WALLS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE GREEN GIANTS WILL DO WELL THERE, WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE TO GO TO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PLANT.
SO ALONG THIS SIDE, PREDOMINANTLY THE, THAT SIDE'S DEFINITELY GONNA BE GREEN GIANTS AND UP, UP AT LEAST UNTIL THE, THE SECOND WALL STARTS.
YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THERE'S ONLY 10 FEET BETWEEN THE TWO WALLS AND THE GREEN GIANTS MIGHT NEED A LITTLE MORE ROOM FOR THAT TO GROW.
I MEAN, THEY WOULD FIT, BUT, UM, A LOT.
I ALSO DON'T WANT THEM PUSHING AWAY AT THE WALL TOO.
THEY, I MEAN, I CAN SHOW YOU SOME OF OUR LARGER GREEN GIANTS THAT WE HAVE AT TOWN HALL.
THEY'RE CLOSE TO A WALL AND, AND THE ROOT SYSTEM, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT SOMETHING THAT THAT TYPICALLY PUSHES.
IF I DON'T USE GREEN, IF I DON'T USE GREEN JAZZ, I'M GONNA USE, UH, SKIP LAURELS.
OKAY, LET'S GO BACK TO THE WALL THOUGH.
HOW HIGH IS THE OUTER WALL? THE, THE, THE HIGHEST PART IS EIGHT FEET, SIX INCHES.
WHICH IS AT THE CORNER AT THE, THE TURN THAT'S ON THE, THAT'S ON THE WEST? YES.
AND, AND SO THEN THIS CORNER, IT'S ABOUT THREE AND TWO THIRDS FEET.
WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER DIRECTION? AND THEN GOING IN THIS DIRECTION? AT THIS POINT IT'S ABOUT FOUR FEET AND CHAIN.
FOUR FEET HERE, IT'S A FOOT AND CHANGE.
WE'RE JUST, AND THEN, UH, AT THIS, SO IT GOES, THEN THERE'S A TRANSITION POINT, RIGHT? AND THEN IT'S FIVE FEET HERE.
YOU'RE, YOU'VE GOT A RESIDENCE THAT'S FACING RIGHT.
'CAUSE IT MADE HER PROPERTY LOOK GREAT AND EVERYTHING THAT, AND THEN WHEN IT FELL DOWN I WAS LIKE THE DEVIL.
WELL, SHE NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW TOO.
SHE WANTS IT REBUILT LAST YEAR.
SHE WANTS IT FIXED 'CAUSE SHE'S TIRED OF LOOKING AT THE MESS.
UM, WHERE IT'S EIGHT FEET, ARE YOU PUTTING ANY FENCING ON TOP OF THE WALL RIGHT NOW? I DON'T PLAN ON IT BECAUSE, UH, THE GREEN JARS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, NICE ENOUGH.
SO, UM, THERE WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT TO PUT FENCING ON TOP OF, ON TOP OF IT, IT'S OVER SIX FEET.
WHY, WHY IS THAT FOR SAFETY PURPOSES? I MEAN, UH, KID RUNNING AFTER A BALL.
HOW HIGH DOES THE FENCE IS THERE? UH, WE'LL CHECK WITH OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE.
WELL, I KNOW, I KNOW IN THE BACKYARD YOU CAN GO UP TO EIGHT FEET.
IT, IT CAN, UM, BUT FOR SAFETY PURPOSES, I BELIEVE IT'S FOUR FEET.
IF THERE'S A, A CHANGE IN GRADE FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER.
IF IT WAS JUST GOING BLACK GROUND, IT'D BE DIFFERENT.
IT'S, IT'S THE SAFETY CONCERN ABOUT SOMEONE FALLING OFF.
AND HOW HIGH IS THE, HOW HIGH IS, IS THE INNER UH, WALL? INNER WALL IS FIVE FEET, FOUR TO FIVE FEET, FOUR FEET, SIX INCHES.
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SO IT'S FOUR TO FIVE FEET.IT, IT STARTS AT ONE FOOT HERE IN THIS CORNER.
STILL, STILL THINKING THEN IT'S FOUR.
THERE SHOULD BE A FENCE THERE TOO.
IT'S A FOUR TO FIVE FOOT WALL.
YOU GET REALLY HURT FALLING OFF FOUR OR FIVE FEET DOWN.
SO IN FACT, AND I APOLOGIZE, I JUST THOUGHT OF IT 'CAUSE I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
AND, UM, THE PLANS DO INDICATE RAILING BY OTHERS AS REQUIRED.
AND SO WE DO SHOW IT IN THE DETAIL AND I WANT TO RECORD TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT.
UM, SO IN BOTH INSTANCES, RAILING, SO THEN WE'LL, WE'LL PUT A FENCE UP ON TOP OF THE WALL.
AND, UM, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD, THIS WALL IS A GRAVITY FED WALL.
YOU MAY RECALL FROM PAUL RETI WHILE BACK WHERE THE GRIDS YEAH.
YOU KNOW, PULL BACK AND THEN THE WEIGHT OF THE SOIL.
I JUST WANT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF WALLS.
IT LOOKS VERY, UM, SUBSTANTIAL.
THE PLANS, THE, THE LAYERS OF THE FABRIC, THE, UM, THE METAL THAT WAS GOING IN BETWEEN CERTAIN LAYERS.
I MEAN, I THOUGHT IT WAS A VERY ROBUST WALL COMPARED TO A LOT OF THE ONES WE'VE SEEN.
HAVE YOU HAD ANY PROBLEM WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR IN TERMS OF, UH, RUNOFF FROM YOUR PROPERTY? UH, SHE COMPLAINED.
UH, YOU KNOW, SHE, SHE ASKED ME TO TAKE DOWN THE FENCE THAT WAS THERE.
'CAUSE THERE WAS A FENCE THAT WAS RUSTY.
AND THEN WHEN WE GET HEAVY RAIN, IT DID RUN OFF.
THAT WAS BEFORE WE PUT THE WALL UP.
BUT IF WE GET HEAVY RAIN, LIKE WHEN WE HAD THOSE STORMS, I MEAN, EVEN THE NEIGHBOR ABOVE ME, I MEAN I, YOU KNOW, MY, MY MULCH WAS WASHES OUT TOO.
SO WONDER IS, I'M JUST WONDERING, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT IN A FEW AXS TO HELP THE SITUATION BE GOOD FOR YOU TO MAY MAYBE A GOOD, GOOD FOR YOU TOO, ACTUALLY KEEP YOUR YARD, YOUR YARD DRY FROM WHAT? COMING FROM ABOVE.
JUST A, YOU OUGHT TALKED TO YOUR ENGINEER ABOUT A FEW OF THOSE, PUTTING THOSE IN.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE BOARD RIGHT NOW? UH, CHAIRPERSON SCHWARZ, I BELIEVE MONA HAS A QUESTION.
IS THERE ANY LIGHTING PLANNED FOR THIS? NO.
IS THAT IT, MONA? YEAH, THAT WAS IT.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT LIGHTING.
ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD HAVE A QUESTION? NO, NO.
THE RAIN, THE STAIRS GOING DOWN WILL HAVE A RAILING TOO.
SO RAILING FOR THE STAIRS? YES.
YEAH, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE TO RIGHT? DON'T, ISN'T THERE SUM PUMP AT THE BOTTOM OF THE STEPS? IS IT? NO, NO.
I'M NOT BE MIXING THAT UP WITH ANOTHER APPLICATION.
AND THEN I THINK MAYBE THE BOARD WANTS TO APPOINT SOMEONE TO GO OUT THERE.
I CAN MEET THEM, TAKE A LOOK, GET A LAY OF THE LAND REPORT BACK AHEAD OF A PUBLIC HEARING.
I CAN THINK OF ONE OR TWO PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL AT DOING THAT.
SO MY, MY THOUGHT WAS, YEAH, I'M SORRY.
SO, UM, WE WOULD, WE WOULD WANT YOUR DESIGN PROFESSIONAL TO BE PRESENT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOUR HONOR.
SO THAT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE TECHNICAL DETAIL ON IT, BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO MAYBE THE DRAINAGE AT THAT TIME.
UM, AS, AS WELL AS THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE WALL DESIGN AND THE FENCING OR THE, THE RAILING ON TOP.
AS LONG AS I KNOW, YOU KNOW IN ADVANCE WHEN THAT'S GONNA BE.
YOU'LL KNOW TONIGHT, YOU'LL KNOW IN ABOUT TWO MINUTES,
BECAUSE THE LA LAST EMAIL I GOT WAS, YOU KNOW, NO, NO FURTHER ACTION WAS TAKEN.
THEN I GOT AN EMAIL TODAY ABOUT THE ZOOM MEETING AND HE WAS GONNA COME ON.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF I KNOW, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST GIVE HIM A WEEK'S AHEAD OF TIME TO WE'RE GONNA GIVE, TO MAKE, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU THREE WEEKS IN A SECOND.
SO, AND THE ONLY THING I WAS, WAS CONVERSING WITH THE BOARD WAS, UH, APPOINTING MAYBE ONE BOARD MEMBER TO COME OUT TO THE SITE, TAKE A LOOK AND BE ABLE TO KIND OF REPORT BACK AT THAT PUBLIC HEARING YEAH.
ABOUT WHAT THE CONDITIONS LOOK LIKE IN, YOU KNOW, IN REAL LIFE AS OPPOSED TO ON PAPER.
WE DON'T HAVE TO PICK WHO IT IS TODAY.
I CAN SEND AN EMAIL TOMORROW, WE'LL DO IT BY SEE WHO'S AVAILABLE, WHO HAS DROP.
BY THE WAY, IS THE ADDRESS SCARSDALE, P O OR HASTINGS? YEAH, HASTINGS.
IT'S ON OFF OF D IT IT, IT IS ON THE STAFF REPORT.
THE APPLICATION MATERIALS SAID HASTING.
THE STAFF, THE, UH, AGENDA SAYS HASTING.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS, UH, SCHEDULE FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 7TH OF DECEMBER.
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OKAY.PLEASE BRING YOUR DESIGN PROFESSIONAL TO THAT MEETING.
IS THAT AN IN PERSON MEETING? I'M SORRY? NO, YOU CAN DO IT ON ZOOM IN PERSON OR ZOOM.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT IN PERSON.
BUT HE WILL HAVE TO MAIL SOME THINGS.
RIGHT? UH, I'LL SPEAK, YEAH, WE, SOME OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT.
UH, YOU SHOULD TALK TO ED COL, GET ON THE PHONE WITH AARON MAYBE TOMORROW AND JUST TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT.
AND, AND IF YOU COULD UPDATE THE PLANS BEFORE THAT MEETING OR HAVE YOUR ENGINEER UPDATE THE PLANS BEFORE THAT MEETING TO REFLECT THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT, INCLUDING THE FENCING, ET CETERA.
THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL OPPORTUNITIES FOR CALTECH.
AND ALSO TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR CAL TAX OR YEAH, DRAINAGE, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.
SOMETIMES A FRENCH DRAIN OR, OR CALEX OR SOMETHING.
WE'LL BE IN TOUCH EITHER TOMORROW OR FRIDAY.
WE'RE GONNA PREPARE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
NOTICE THAT YOU WILL MAIL OUT TO YOUR NEIGHBORS.
WE'LL GIVE YOU THE INSTRUCTIONS.
THERE'S GONNA BE A SIGN THAT YOU PUT IN THE FRONT YARD THAT SAYS THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING ON DECEMBER 7TH.
I THINK THIS ONE'S FOR THE BUILDING OF A POOL AND THE PATIO.
I SAID A LAST ONE, BUT IT WASN'T NO PATIO.
IT SHOULD BE, UH, I'LL GIVE YOU A MIC.
NOW YOU NEED ON TOP FOR TELEVISION.
COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME? STEVE STEPANOVICH.
FIVE CHALFORD LANE, SCARSDALE, NEW YORK.
TELL US ABOUT, UH, YOUR PROJECT.
EXPLAIN WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND I'LL BRING UP THE PLAN.
SO THE PROPOSAL, UM, BUT LET ME BRING THAT UP.
SO IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND JUST WALKING US THROUGH THE PROPOSAL.
WE WE'RE, WE, WE, WE HAVE SET THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY.
UH, WE'VE, WE'VE EXPERIENCED SOME FLOODING AT THE PROPERTY AND WE HIRED, UH, AN ENGINEER TO DESIGN A SYSTEM THAT WOULD, UH, MITIGATE THE FLOODING.
ADDITIONALLY, WE WOULD LIKE TO BUILD A SWIMMING POOL IN THE BACKYARD.
AND THE PATIO, THE PATIO IS EXISTING.
WE ARE MAKING THE PATIO SMALLER.
YOU'RE ACTUALLY MAKING IT SMALLER.
IT WASN'T CLEAR ON THE PLAN, SO, OKAY.
NO, THANK THE PATIO AROUND THE POOL THOUGH.
SO IS IT, IS IT MORE APPROPRIATE SURFACE AT THE END OF THE DAY OR, OR LESS? I BELIEVE IT'S, UM, A BIT MORE, BUT THEY DO HAVE A FAIRLY ELABORATE, UM, DESIGN FOR THE STORMWATER.
BUT ISN'T, ISN'T IS A POOL CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS? NO, NO.
BUT THE PATIO, THE PATIO AREAS ARE, THANK YOU.
YOU SAID IT SHOULD BE CATCHING FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE, OF THE PUBLIC.
WE GO THROUGH THE WHOLE DESIGN.
CAN YOU, SO I CAN, I CAN JUMP IN A BIT.
SO IF WE LOOK AT THE PLAN HERE, THIS IS THE PROPOSED POOL AREA? YES.
HOW BIG IS THE POOL? UH, LET'S SEE.
DO YOU KNOW OFFHAND, SIR? NO, I DON'T.
AND, UH, SURROUNDING IT IS A PATIO, A POOL PATIO, AND SOME RELATED RETAINING WALLS.
UM, THERE'S A YARD SPACE IN HERE, AND THEN THE PATIO, UH, OFF THE, THE REAR OF THE HOME.
THAT IS, WAS EXISTING REBUILDING IT, MAKING IT A SMALL WAY.
IT'S NOW IN A STATE OF DISREPAIR.
AND AS PART OF THIS PROJECT REBUILDING, IT'S PROPOSED TO BE REBUILT.
UM, THIS IS A FLAG, UH, FLAGSTONE.
AND THEN THERE'S A GRAVEL SECTION OF PATIO.
THEN THERE'S A SERIES OF RETAINING WALLS PROPOSED.
'CAUSE THERE'S A GRADE DIFFERENCE.
IN THE CURRENT CONDITION, IT'S JUST A SLOPE DOWN INTO YES, SIR.
THIS, THIS IS WHERE THE FLOODING OCCURS.
DO THE ALLIGATORS NOW? NO, WE DO, DON'T HAVE ALLIGATORS, BUT, UH, THEY MAY BE COMING.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT COLD FOR ALLIGATORS HERE AT CHAIRMAN, BUT,
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UH, UH, WITH GLOBAL WARMING, THAT MAY BE AN IN SCORE FOR US.SORRY, WE DON'T NEED THAT'S RIGHT.
WE DON'T NEED ALLIGATORS, BEARS.
SO THEN YOU'VE GOT AREAS, UM, AND INLET POINTS HERE AND HERE FOR STONEWATER MANAGEMENT.
AND HERE WHERE? STAIRS TO THE POOL.
AND THEN, UM, THEY ALL CONNECT AND TIE INTO A SYSTEM OF 12 OH WOW.
EVEN FROM PATIO PATIO, THE DRAINAGE OF THE PATIO IS HOOKED UP TO THAT.
IT ALL IS CONNECTED INTO THIS EC EVEN THIS, I GUESS THERE'S A YARD DRAIN THAT'LL TIE IN THAT IF, IF THE, IF THE COLEX, IF THE 12 COL TECHS OVERFLOW, THEN THEY GO INTO THAT SECTION.
YEAH, YOU COULD, YOU CAN, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SEE, UH, WELL, I DIDN'T, DIDN'T LOOK THAT CLOSELY, BUT THE DOTTED LINES SHOW THE ELEVATIONS AND IT, THE, THE PROPERTY SLOPES FROM THE BACKYARD DOWN TOWARDS THE STREET IN THE FRONT.
SO, SO EVERYTHING GOING FROM THE BACKYARD TO THE STREET IS GOING FROM HIGHER GROUND TO LOWER GROUND.
I HAVE A, OKAY, SO IF WATER COMES OUT HERE MM-HMM.
OH, I, I, I, OH, SHE PUT THAT UP.
I CAN SEE THE ONE MR. DE DECIDE NEXT ON THE OUTSIDE.
THE ONLY THING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IS TYPICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE AN, UH, AN OVERFLOW PIPE, WHICH YOU HAVE IN THIS INSTANCE YEP.
IF THERE WERE WATER TO EVENTUALLY MAKE ITS WAY THROUGH, UH, WE HAVE IN OTHER INSTANCES, YOU KNOW, REQUIRED SOME RIP WRAP AND OR VEGETATION AROUND THIS TO HELP SLOW, YOU KNOW, HELP SLOW THE FLOW.
WITH THE RATE, WE, WE, WE, WE, WE'VE LENT, WE DID THAT, UM, PLANTING STAIRS.
UM, WE DID THAT WITH IN CONNECTION WITH A POOL, RIGHT.
ON A SLOPE RECENTLY, ACTUALLY ON A SIX CHANCY CIRCLE.
COULD YOU, COULD YOU EXPAND THAT PORTION THERE? WHICH PART? IS THAT A STICK? IS THIS HERE STICK? NO STAIRCASES.
THIS IS THE ONE, THE, THAT'S WHERE THIS, THE SUMP PUMP PORT.
THERE'S, THERE'S EVEN MORE DETAIL.
UH, UH, ON, ON, ON, ON THE NEXT PLAN ABOUT HOW THAT PUMP WORKS.
IT IS ACTUALLY TWO SETS OF PUMPS IN CASE ONE ONE, RIGHT.
I SAW I HAD A PLAN, I JUST, YES, SIR.
I THOUGHT IT WAS NO, NO WORRIES.
BUT IT, IT IS A VERY ELABORATE SYSTEM.
THE, THE REASON, THE REASON WE'VE ASKED THE ENGINEER TO DESIGN IT THAT WAY IS, IS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES IN THE FUTURE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT, UH, KIND OF GLOSSED OVER THIS QUICKLY, BUT THIS AREA ADJACENT TO THE PATIO, THERE'S A STEP DOWN TO THIS AREA WHICH WILL BE GRADED.
AND IT'LL BE MORE OR LESS LEVELED OUT FOR FURTHER USAGE, ENJOYMENT, RECREATION.
AND, AND, AND, AND TO, AND TO LIMIT THE, THE, THE RATE OF FLOW OF, OF WATER FROM THE, THE TOWARDS THE HOUSE.
THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE PURPOSE, RIGHT? THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE STEPS WHERE, UH, UM, UH, MR. SCHMIDT HAS HIS CURSOR AT, AT, AT THE MOMENT ARE EXISTING, UH, UM, UH, AND, AND THE RETAINING WALLS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE STEPS ARE ALSO EXISTING.
BUT WHAT, WHAT WILL BE NEW IS, UM, UH, TO YOUR, UM, TO YOUR RIGHT TO, TO THE, TO THE NORTH SIDE OF, OF, OF THE, OF THE HOUSE WHERE THE WALL CURVES UP, UH, TO, TO, IF, IF I, IF I CAN POINT TO THIS, OH, I'M SORRY.
THE, THE, THE, YOUR LEFT, I, SORRY.
THE RETAINING WALL CURRENTLY ENDS ABOUT WHERE THE CURSOR THAT, UH, MR. SCHMIDT HAS, UH, IS AT, AT, AT THE MOMENT.
AND, AND, AND THE ENGINEER IS PROPOSING TO EXTEND, UH, THIS WALL.
IT WILL DIE DOWN AND SORT OF LEVEL WITH THE, WITH THE GRAY LANDSCAPING, IT'S NOT VERY HIGH.
BUT, BUT IT WILL LIMIT FLOW OF, OF, OF, OF WATER FROM THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE AT HIGHER ELEVATION.
HOW HIGH IS THE WALL IN THE BACK? AT THE TOP OF THE DRAWING? THE ONE ON THE NORTH SIDE? IT, IT'S, IT'S FOUR FEET.
ALSO SMALL, SIR, I DON'T RECALL THE EXACT, UH, HEIGHTS, BUT THE FOAM,
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YEAH, THAT'S FOUR FEET.THE REASON, THE REASON THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENCES IN, IN, IN THE HEIGHT IS, IS BECAUSE THE LOT IS SLOPED, IT WILL BE FLAT ON TOP.
BUT WHAT HAPPENS ON OTHER SIDE? IT'S, SORRY, WHAT HAPPENS ON WHICH SIDE, SIR? THE TOP OF THE SECTION, IT'S GOING UP SECTION RIGHT UP.
IT'S GOING UPHILL THERE, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT'S A, IT'S A LEVEL WITH THE TOP OF THE WALL OR IT'S A, I MEAN, IT'S THE TOP OF THE WALL HERE.
THE BOTTOM LEVEL WITH THE TOPOGRAPHY.
THIS BOTTOM IS ON THE POOL SIDE.
WHAT HAPPENS ON OTHER SIDE? YEAH, OTHER SIDE.
THE, THE WALL, THE WALL IS ACTUALLY QUITE THIN.
IT, IT JUST, JUST EXTENDS THE QUESTION IS, THE QUESTION IS WALL ABOVE, ABOVE THE GRAY, ABOVE THE, IS, IS THAT TREES ARE ABOVE THE SORT OF WALL? I'M, I'M, I'M NOT.
SO THERE THERE A SECTION TO THAT.
IF YOU, IF YOU YES, THERE IS IF, IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU FLIP, UH, IF I MAY, UH, UH, IF YOU COULD TELL US WHAT SHEET IT IS.
I, I'M, I'M NOT SURE'S TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I THINK, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S THE NEXT ONE.
THESE, SO, SO IT IS THAT GRADE, IT'S GRADUAL.
IT'S THAT GRADE, THE TOP OF IT.
IS THAT GREAT? IS THAT GREAT? RIGHT.
SO THE WATER WILL RUN DOWN ONTO THE WALL TO THE POOL? NO.
IS THAT RIGHT? NOT TO THE POOL.
HOPEFULLY IT DOESN'T GET THAT FAR.
IT COULD, THIS IS A POOL, RIGHT? SO THE WATER RUNS DOWN, GOES INTO THE POOL.
IT COULD, I MEAN, COULD THAT'S, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A SIGNIFICANT SLOPE.
WANT TO HAVE A EITHER THE WALL A LITTLE BIT HIGHER OR THE GRAPE LOWER SO YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE DIRT COMING DOWN ON YOUR WATER.
OR JUST, UH, WHAT, WHAT IS HERE? IT'S MOSTLY GRASS.
SO IF, IF SOME WATER COMES OVER, IT'S PERVIOUS.
IT'S JUST ALL THE WALL WILL LOOK DIRTY.
THE WALL, THE WALL MAY LOOK DIRTY.
YOUR YOUR, YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN.
ALSO, I, I WAS WONDERING WHY THE, WHY YOU PUT THIS.
I THINK THERE'S, IS THERE ANY, UH, VARIANCE REQUIRED? BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THE, THIS, THEY'RE BUILDING THE WALL IN THE SETBACK AND THE POOL IS NO, I THINK FROM THE, IT, IT'S NOT SET 10 REQUIRED.
NO, THIS THING IS PATIO SETBACK REQUIRED.
AND THEN THERE'S NO SETBACK FOR THE WALL.
BUT, BUT IT, IT IS FURTHER, IT'S FURTHER, IT IS 10 FEET EXCEED.
HE'S GOT, IF YOU FOLLOW, HE'S 15.44.
YEAH, I CHECKED PROPERTY LINE.
I CHECKED ALL THE, THE DISTANCE.
IT'S WITH, IT'S, IT'S, UH, WITHIN ALL THE DISTANCES AND THE SIDE, SIDE SIDE BACK IS OKAY TOO.
SO THAT WAS REVIEWED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE.
BUT I'M JUST WONDERING WHETHER, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE THAT YOU HAVE, YES, SIR.
UH, WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T BE BETTER IN TERMS OF PRIVACY TO HAVE A POOL ON THE TURN 90 DEGREES.
WE, WE, WE, WE PREFER TO HAVE A, A BIGGER LAWN BACK HERE.
WE, WE, WE CONSIDERED BOTH OPTIONS IN THE DESIGN PHASE, BUT ULTIMATELY DECIDED ON, ON THIS ONE.
BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES, THAT'S WHAT SENT WITH HIM.
IT LOOKS LIKE A, IT'S ALL, OR YOU GOING WITH SOME KIND OF SCREENING, IT'S GOING BE HERE.
UH, THIS, THIS PICTURE THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SEEING IS, IS THIS SECTION.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING.
SO THERE IS SOME KIND OF FENCE HERE.
UH, UH, UH, THE EXISTING FENCE, UM, IS RIGHT HERE AND THERE, THERE IS CURRENTLY QUITE A BIT OF VEGETATION HERE.
THERE ARE AZALEAS AND, AND, UH, RHODODENDRONS AND ALL KINDS OF FLOWERING SHRUBS THAT, THAT, THAT RUN ON THAT SIDE.
UH, AND, AND WE HOPE TO RETAIN MOST OF THOSE.
I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE AERIAL PHOTO.
IT'S THE FIRST SECOND PAGE OF THE REPORT.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S NOTHING WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M SAYING, NO STRUCTURE RIGHT THERE.
WHEN YOU LOOK, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND FROM, FROM AN AESTHETIC POINT OF VIEW, BUT YOU WOULD NEVER PUT, YOU WOULD NOT WANNA PUT THE JUST PLAY RUN AROUND.
THAT'S, THAT'S THIS AESTHETICALLY TOO, IF I'M SITTING IN THE PATIO, I WANT LOOK GREEN.
I DON'T REALLY WANNA LOOK AT THE POOL.
DEPENDS ON IT'S, IT'S A, YEAH.
I, IT'S COURT REQUIRES TO HAVE SOME
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KIND OF A FENCE.THAT, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS A NEW FENCE.
NO, THE FENCE AROUND THE, YOU NEED TO FENCE AROUND THE POOL.
YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE, THE POOL SECURE ARE FROM ANY WALK INTO THE PROPERTY.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE, THE, THE ARE TWO WAYS YOU CAN DO IT.
YOU FENCE AROUND THE WHOLE PROPERTY? YES.
OR FENCE OUT THE BACKYARD OR FENCE OUT THE POOL.
BUT YOU NEED, NOBODY CAN COME FROM THE STREET THAT, THAT'S RIGHT.
WE, WE, WE, WE DON'T PUT THE FENCE ON THE POOL.
WE PUT A FENCE AROUND THE BACKYARD.
SO SEE THIS, UH, THIS DOOR HERE? YES.
SO THIS IS THE FENCE OF THE BACKYARD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? PEOPLE HERE LOOK LIKE YOU'RE GETTING TIRED AND LIKE TO SAY IF YOU, OH, JUST THOSE CAL TECHS, UH, THEY DESIGNED FOR THE CODE IS ONLY 25 YEARS.
AND, BUT, UH, WE ALL KNOW 25 YEAR STORMS COME EVERY OTHER WEEK.
BUT YOUR CALTECH IS DESIGNED, DOES IT EXCEEDS THE CODE? IT, IT, IT, IT, IT, IT DOES, IT DOES, IT DOES NOT.
IF, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE, UH, TWO OF, OF THE, OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN AND DRAINAGE ANALYSIS DOCUMENT, UH, UNDER METHODOLOGY, IT EXPLAINS THAT IT'S, IT'S A 25 YEAR TYPE 3 24 HOUR STORM EVENT.
THAT IS, THAT IS, THAT IS THE CODE.
AND, AND, AND WHAT YOU HAVE DESIGNED MEETS THE CODE.
BUT, UH, UH, AND I JUST SAY THAT OUR CODE IS BEHIND THE TIMES IT SHOULD BE HIGHER.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, I ASK OF YOU, DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR DESIGN ACTUALLY IS AND, AND TO CONSIDER MAKING YOUR DESIGN IN EXCESS OF THAT 25 YEAR STORM, ALTHOUGH YOU ARE MEETING THE CODE.
SO, BUT, BUT WALTER, IF, IF I MAY, WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE SOME RESEARCH INTO THIS AND THE NATIONAL, UM, NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PUTS OUT THE INFORMATION ON THE VARIOUS STORMS AND THE DURATIONS AND ALL THAT DID RECENTLY UPDATE THE STORMS. SO WHAT WE'LL LOOK TO DO IS HAS THIS SYSTEM BEEN DESIGNED TO THE NEW 25 YEAR STORM, WHICH IS FAIRLY ACCURATE TO TODAY'S STANDARDS.
OR IS IT DESIGNED TO THE OLD 25 5 YEARS YEAR? SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT.
I CAN REPORT THAT WE MAY EXPLAIN TO THE APPLICANT SO UNDERSTANDS WHY WE'RE DOING THIS.
WE HAVE BEEN, WE TRIED TO STAY AHEAD OF THE CURVE BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD THAT 25 YEAR STORM AS A STANDARD FOR YEARS.
WHILE THE WEATHER SERVICE WAS KIND OF SLOW IN REDEFINING WHAT A 25 YEAR STORM IS, WHICH IS ONE THAT WE GET ABOUT ONCE A YEAR NOW.
UM, SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE PROACTIVELY AS A BOARD IS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO, TO OVER OVERBUILD VERSUS WHAT OUR CODE SAYS.
AND, AND WHAT WE, WE DISCUSSED AT OUR LAST MEETING IS MODIFYING OUR CODE TO 50.
THEN WHEN WE STARTED DOING RESEARCH, WE REALIZED THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS FINALLY CAUGHT UP WITH THE FACT THAT THERE IS, THERE HAS BEEN CLIMATE CHANGE AND THAT THAT A 25 YEAR STORM MAY ACTUALLY BE A 25 YEAR STORM.
WE MAY COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY, WE'RE, AND ASK IF YOU'RE MEETING THIS, THIS PARTICULAR STANDARD OKAY.
THE INCHES, YEAH, IT'S THE TERMINOLOGY THE SAME, BUT THE UNDERLYING CORRECT.
IT'S INCHES PER 24 HOURS, I THINK IS THE WAY THE STANDARD WORKS.
AND THERE'S A RANGE, AND THEN THEY, YOU KNOW, PICK THE MIDDLE.
IF IT'S 5.7 OR SIX, IT SEEMS LIKE, IT SEEMS, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S, I THINK IT DOES.
I WANNA SAY SOMETHING THAT I DON'T NORMALLY SAY.
YOU CAME WITH A, EVEN THOUGH YOU DIDN'T COME WITH YOUR ENGINEER YES SIR.
YOU DID AN ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL JOB IN PRESENTING WHAT'S HERE.
AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S A VERY GOOD PLAN.
UM, WHAT I'D LIKE, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS PUT IT ON PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 7TH OF DECEMBER.
UM, IF YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH YOUR ENGINEER BEING HERE, HE'S WELCOME.
DOESN'T HAVE TO COME, CAN BE ON ZOOM.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY HIM TO SIT HERE.
AND WE ARE PRETTY GOOD ABOUT TELLING YOU WHAT TIME TO, OKAY.
JUST IN CASE THERE'S QUESTION ABOUT THE DRAINAGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND WOULD IT BE OKAY IF I ATTENDED IN PERSON HE ATTENDED VIA ZOOM OF COURSE.
OR VICE VERSA? THERE'S NO ISSUE.
I, IT'S REALLY, REALLY NICE WHEN WE SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, SO WELL THOUGHT OUT, AND I DON'T SAY THAT VERY OFTEN.
UH, AND AARON WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU NOTICE AND
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STUFF LIKE THAT.WE, WE, WE ALREADY HAVE THE MAILING LABELS AND WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF ALL THAT ONCE WE, BEFORE WE GO, DO WE HAVE A LANDSCAPING PLAN WITH IT? RIGHT.
THEY HAVE SHOWN SOME LANDSCAPING AROUND PERIMETER THEY TALK TO.
CAN GET INTO IT A LITTLE MORE DEEPER.
THERE, THERE, THERE ARE SOME, THERE'S ONE TREE THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT GETS MOVED.
UH, WHERE THE SWIMMING POOL IS, UH, GETS RELOCATED.
I THINK THEY'RE PROPOSING TO TRANSPLANT IT.
VERSUS CUTTING, WHICH IS ANOTHER OUT, YOU KNOW.
OKAY, LAST BUT NOT LEAST FOLKS.
JEFF, GUYS, ACTUALLY, GUYS, WHAT IS IT? WHO'S THE GUY? OKAY.
JACK PB 2203 JACKSON AVENUE NURSERY, 2 79 JACKSON AVENUE.
UM, THIS IS AMENDED SITE PLAN P BOARD STEVE SLOPE PERMIT WATER CO PERMIT, ESSENTIALLY FOR A DRIVEWAY, UH, LEADING TO A, WHAT IS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE CALLING IT.
YONKERS, WE CALL IT A SUBDIVISION.
FOUR ARE FIVE BLOCK SUBDIVISION, DEPENDING HOW YOU'RE COUNTED.
UH, BUILDING FOUR NEW HOMES ON THE EXISTING PROPERTY.
AND THE HOMES WOULD BE IN YONKERS, BUT THE HOMES IN YONKERS, A DRIVEWAY.
UH, WHAT PROPOSED DRIVEWAY, THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY WOULD BE IN GREENBURG.
SO STATE YOUR NAME AND, UH, TELL US ABOUT THE PROJECT.
MY NAME IS WILLIAM SCHNEIDER AND I'M WITH P S N S ARCHITECTURE AND ENGINEERING.
AND I'M REPRESENTING, UH, ESCAPING GARDENS 2 79 JACKSON AVENUE, L L C.
THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY ARE HERE WITH THEIR REPRESENTATIVE AND WITH ME IS ALSO LAUREN FINNEGAN, ALSO AN ENGINEER WITH OUR COMPANY.
ON THE PHONE, WE HAVE ONE OF OUR CHIEF DESIGNERS, TROY BERNINGER.
HE HAPPENS TO BE LOCATED IN NEVADA, SO HE COULDN'T RUN OVER.
SO, UH, BUT HE IS OUR CHIEF DESIGNER, SO HE'LL BE ABLE TO ASSIST ME FOR ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT WE MAY RUN INTO.
BUT WE HAVE A RATHER UNIQUE SITUATION HERE.
YOU PROBABLY DON'T RUN INTO IT EVERY DAY.
IT INVOLVES A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S BOTH IN GREENBURG AND IN THE CITY OF YONKERS.
UH, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 32,000 SQUARE FEET IN THE CITY OF YONKERS IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY OF YONKERS.
UH, THEY WILL ALLOW HIM, IT'S IN AN S 50 ZONE.
IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY ZONE WITH MINIMUM 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS IN THE CITY OF YONKERS.
AND THEY WOULD LET HIM USE THAT IN ORDER TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AS PERMITTED.
UH, THE CAVEAT TO THAT IS OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS.
SO, UH, IN DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. LEE ELMAN, WHO'S THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER OF PLANNING IN YONKERS, HAS BEEN THERE OVER 40 YEARS.
HE'S HOPEFULLY NEVER GONNA RETIRE, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW.
I WAS WITH THE CITY FOR 16 YEARS.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, OUR INTENTION IS TO, UH, THEN USE IT AS PERMITTED IN THE CITY OF YONKERS IF WE CAN PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF ACCESS.
SO THE IDEA HERE IS TO PROVIDE A DRIVEWAY FROM JACKSON AVENUE MM-HMM.
UH, AND AS YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN, THERE WAS SOME SLOPE THERE.
SO IT'LL COME DOWN AT 8% SLOPE AND THEN GO BACK SLIGHTLY UP 4% AND THEN TO A CUL-DE-SAC, WHICH IS 90 FEET IN DIAMETER BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE.
UH, APPENDIX B OF THE NEW YORK STATE FIRE CODE FOR TURNAROUND WHEN YOU HAVE A, UH, FIRE ACCESS ROAD THAT'S MORE THAN 150 FEET IN LENGTH, WHICH WE HAVE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT.
UH, IT'S OUR INTENTION THEN TO HAVE THAT.
I SPOKE WITH THE FIRE CHIEF, UM, CHRIS DESANTIS, WHO'S THE DEPUTY CHIEF OF FIRE PREVENTION IN YONKERS.
AND HE CAN GET DOWN TO THOSE HOUSES.
HE WOULD SERVE THOSE HOUSES WITH A 26 FOOT WIDE DRIVE.
UM, IS THAT IN HIS FIRE DISTRICT, GIVEN THAT THE YES.
THE HOUSES WOULD EXACTLY, THE HOUSES WOULD BE IN YONKERS.
WELL, HOW DOES IT, HOW I, I WONDER 'CAUSE WE HAVE THESE SITUATIONS.
OH, THIS IS THE THIRD ONE OF THESE.
THIS YEAR WE HAVE REALLY? YEAH.
TWO OF ELSEWHERE, BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST ONE OF YONKERS.
UM, IS THERE ANY SHARED RESPONSIBILITY WITH GREENVILLE? BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE BORDER OF GREEN.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS.
AND SO I WONDER SHE'D ASK THE FIRE CHIEF, 'CAUSE YOU MAY ALSO WANT TO TALK TO THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT BECAUSE THERE IS MU I'M PRETTY SURE THEY GOT MUTUAL AID IN THAT AREA.
SO I THINK WE, YOU SHOULD JUST BE TALKING ON I CERTAINLY WILL.
WE'LL TALK TO THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT'S GOING ON AND, AND GET THEIR OPINION IN THE MATTER.
SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE INTEND TO DO.
I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE, AT THE, AT THE, AT THE, UH, AT THE PLAN, AND IT LOOKS LIKE CORNERS OF SOME OF THE HOUSE SLOTS ARE IN GREEN BROOK.
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WALL GOES AROUND THE YARD.THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT OH, THAT, THAT YESTERDAY.
IT LOOKS LIKE THOSE, THOSE ARE JUST, THOSE ARE NOT, THOSE ARE THERE FOR, UM, UM, ILLUSTRATED PURPOSES ONLY.
THE HOUSES HAVE NOT BEEN DESIGNED.
IT'S NOT THE HOUSES, THE RETAINING WALLS, THE RETAINING WALLS.
YOU DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A LOT LIKE NO, THE LOT LINE, NO, THE LOT LINE ENDS AT THE DIVISION OF THE TOWN AND THE CITY OF CALGARY.
WHAT IT'S, IT'S A RETAINING WALL THAT GOES OVER THE WALL THAT'S SHOWING THE RETAINING WALL THAT HAS NOT BEEN DESIGNED AND MAY NOT BE DESIGNED AT.
WE'RE HAPPY TO TEXT THE WHOLE HOUSE.
IN FACT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STILL HAS YET TO BE LOOKED AT.
AS FAR AS WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
WELL, IT'S SOMETHING THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE, OBVIOUSLY BE CONCERNED ABOUT IS ANYTHING THAT'S IN THE TOWN IS OBVIOUSLY NEW JURISDICTION.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS EITHER FROM A SCHOOL DISTRICT POINT OF VIEW.
I KNOW IF THE HOUSE IS HALFWAY IN THE, I THINK THEY HAVE A CHOICE OR SOMETHING.
YEAH, THERE'S SOME STRANGE THINGS WHEN YOU'RE ON THE BORDER, BUT THESE WOULD BE ENTIRELY IN THE CITY, SO I'D HAVE TO THINK THEY WOULD BE IN THE CITY FOR YEAH.
I THINK IN TERMS THE HOUSE IN THE CITY, THAT'S WHERE THE SERVICES COME FROM, I THINK.
SO THE INTEND, YEAH, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
IN TERMS OF SERVICE, UH, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR PLOWING THIS ROAD? WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR, UH, SANITATION AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR, UH, MAINTAINING THIS ROAD? WELL, THE ROAD WOULD REMAIN AS A PRIVATE ENTITY.
SO IT WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE OWNER, WHICH WHO WE'RE HERE NOW.
BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA, THE WAY YOU HAVE, THIS IS NOT A SUBDIVISION.
SO THEREFORE YOU GUYS WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE OF THE ROAD, ROAD AND THE FOLLOWING THE ROAD.
THE NURSERY WOULD BE THE WAY IT'S SET UP, WALTER, THE WAY THEY'RE PROPOSING IT, WE COULD DISCUSS THIS TOO.
THE WAY IT'S PROPOSED IS NOT AS A SUB SUBDIVIDED.
ONE WAY YOU COULD HAVE DONE DONE IT IS SUBDIVIDED OFF THE GREENBERG PORTION.
THAT'S A DRIVEWAY AS A SUBDIVIDED LOT THAT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN OWNED BY THE H O A.
THAT'S ONE OPTION THAT YOU COULD'VE, YOU COULD'VE PURSUED WHY YOU DIDN'T.
WE CAN DISCUSS THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY REMAIN AS PART OF THE NURSERY, BUT AN EASEMENT BE GIVEN FOR THE ROAD, WHICH MAKES THE NURSERY RESPONSIBLE.
BECAUSE IT'S A DRIVEWAY, IT HAS TO BE 20.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE, THE TOWN IS SERVICING THIS PROPERTY.
IS IT? RIGHT? UH, THE NURSERY.
SO WHAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR, I JUST WANT IT TO BE CLEAR IN MY MIND THAT ONCE YOU ESTABLISHED A SUBDIVISION AND WE BUILD THIS ROAD, THAT NOT NONE OF THE HOUSES, NONE OF THE SANITATION.
SO ALL THE, MY BOTTOM LINE, THE SERVICES TO ALL OF THESE FOUR HOMES WILL NOT BE, UH, WORRY INVITED.
I'M WORRIED ABOUT FIRE BECAUSE I WORRY ABOUT FIRE BECAUSE OF WHAT I SAID.
AND WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA, WE CAN ASK THEM TO ANSWER ON GARBAGE COLLECTION.
WE CAN ASK 'EM TO ANSWER ON PLOWING CLOUD, WATER SERVICE, SEWER'S.
THEY'RE TRYING TO GET WATER GREEN BIRDS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE AND PAVING THE ROAD THAT THAT'S LIGHTING.
WE'LL LET THEM GO THROUGH THAT.
IT'S ALL PRIVATE, BUT IT IS FULLY THE INTENTION OF THE OWNER TO MAINTAIN THE ROAD.
IT'LL BE PAVED, IT'LL BE DRAINED.
UH, WE'LL HAVE A SWIFT PLAN, A STORMWATER POLLUTION PREVENTION PLAN.
'CAUSE WE'RE DISTURBING MORE THAN AN ACRE.
UM, WE'LL HAVE IT, UH, ADEQUATELY LIGHTED.
UH, IT'LL BE AN EASEMENT TO SERVE THOSE DWELLINGS AND IT'LL, IT'LL GO WITH THOSE DWELLINGS.
SO, UH, IT WILL NOT BE EXTINGUISHED.
AND THE CITY OF YONKERS HAS SAID THAT THEY WOULD SERVE THOSE.
WE CAN CONFIRM THAT AS FAR AS GARBAGE, THIS, THIS WOULD BE ACTUALLY A MODIFICATION OF THEIR DEEDED, THE NURSERY'S DEEDED.
THERE'LL BE A, THERE'LL HAVE TO BE AN EASEMENT ON THE PROPERTY.
CAN I ASK WHY YOU WENT THAT WAY RATHER THAN SUBDIVIDED SUB? WELL, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT DOING A SUBDIVISION HERE, THEN I WOULD REQUIRE A 50 FOOT WIDE ROADWAY TO MEET THE TOWN STANDARDS ON THAT 26 RIGHT OF WAY.
26 FEET OF PAVEMENT WITHIN THAT RIGHT.
AND WHAT, AND THE OWNER IS DOING NOW IS HE'S GONNA BE ELIMINATING SOME OF HIS BUSINESS THERE IN ORDER TO DO THIS, INCLUDING THE SCREENING AND THE MULCHING, WHICH HE'S JUST GONNA DISCONTINUE.
SO APPROXIMATELY, UH, 30% OF, OF THAT AREA, HE'S JUST GONNA BE ELIMINATING.
I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE DOING NOW.
YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO TAKE A LOT, A LOT MORE PROPERTY THAN YOU WANTED TO FOR RIGHT, RIGHT.
SO, AND AS FAR AS THE UTILITIES, IT IS OUR INTENTION TO PETITION THE, UH, GREEN,
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THE GREENBURG WATER DISTRICT, NUMBER ONE FOR OUT DISTRICT USE.SO THAT IS OUR INTENTION RATES GO UP THERE.
UM, AND HOW THIS REDUCES THE WATER HIGHER.
SO, BUT THAT, THAT IS RIGHT NOW, THAT IS, UH, THE WAY WE'RE PROPOSING TO SERVE THESE DWELLINGS.
I MEAN, THERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF PIECES THAT NEED TO COME TOGETHER.
WHERE, WHERE, WHERE IS THE SEWER CONNECTOR? UH, WASTEWATER A DIFFERENT STORY AT THE MOMENT.
UH, THERE IS A, A MANHOLE AT THE CORNER OF FORT HILL AND JACKSON AVENUE, AND IT WAS OUR, UH, PLAN TO DO ENVIRONMENT, ONE LOW PRESSURE FORCE MAIN SYSTEMS, INDIVIDUALS, FOUR INDIVIDUAL CONNECTIONS THAT'S IN THE GREEN, THAT'S GREENBERG, UH, THROUGH THE GERST PROPERTY.
AND THEN GO UP THROUGH THE OWNER'S PROPERTY.
UM, THAT WOULD BE THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO THE ROADWAY.
AND THEN MAKE OUR CONNECTION THERE FOR INDIVIDUAL SERVICE CONNECTIONS.
BUT THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE IN GREENBURG.
IT WOULD BE, THOSE WOULD BE PLUMBING PERMITS THROUGH THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
SOMETHING YOU PROBABLY WANT TO TALK TO RICH ABOUT.
ONE SYSTEMS, THEY'RE, UH, THEY'RE A, UH, UH, PROGRESSIVE CAVITY, SEMI LIKE PROGRESSIVE CAVITY TYPE PUMP, MEANING THEY'RE VERY STRONG.
THEY'RE NOT LIKE THE KIND THAT'S JUST A STANDARD IMPELLER.
SO, UM, THEY'RE VERY, VERY STRONG.
THEY, THEY, UH, ACTUALLY CREATE A SLURRY, UH, WITH THE WASTEWATER.
AND WHAT ALSO IS GOOD ABOUT THEM IS THEY HAVE REPLACEABLE, UM, PUMP SYSTEMS UHHUH, SO THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS HAVE A SPARE.
AND IN FACT, YOU CAN DESIGN THEM AS DUPLEX FOR EACH DWELLING IF YOU WANTED TO.
SO THAT IF ONE SHOULD GO OUTTA SERVICE, YOU ALWAYS HAVE A SPARE.
THERE'S NO CONNECTION GOING BEHIND THERE, THERE.
SO YOU COULD
IF YOU NEEDED IT, YOU'D NEED SOME KIND OF EASEMENTS.
BUT WE'D STILL HAVE TO PUMP IT.
HOWEVER, IT IS A SHORTER DISTANCE TO GET TO THE, UH, CITY OF YONKERS SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM.
SHOULD THAT ISSUE SOMETHING, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL TALK WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS PEOPLE ABOUT
HAVE YOU HAD IN DEPTH DISCUSSIONS ON THAT? WITH OUR DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS AND BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, OR, I KNOW WE'RE STILL SOMEWHAT EARLY ON IN WE DID.
WE, WE DID MEET IN, UH, TOWN HALL, UH, ONCE BEFORE WE SAT, ALL SAT AROUND THE TABLE TO SORT OF JUST BRAINSTORM A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT WE COULD DO ON THAT.
UH, AND ALL THESE IDEAS WERE HASHED OUT AND WE GOT SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT.
UM, AT THE TIME, KENNY C O C WAS THE, UH, TOWN ENGINEER AND HE SAT WITH US.
AND, UH, SO HOW DOES, HOW DOES THE NEW, UH, NURSERY OPERATES? IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN, PARDON ME? HOW DOES THIS NEW BUSINESS WILL BE OPERATED? THE NEW BUSINESS? WELL, HE'S DEFINITELY GONNA BE, HE'S GONNA BE ELIMINATING THE SCREENING AND THE MULCHING.
AND THEN HE, I CAN HAVE THE, UH, THE OWNER COME UP AND TELL YOU WHAT HE INTENDS TO DO TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE.
THERE MAY BE, AND, AND IF YOU WOULD, MR. OLIVIA, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT THE SCREENING AND MULCHING HAS BEEN GOING ON OF LATE.
IF IT HAS, IT HAS, THAT'S FINE.
AND THEN PERIODICALLY YES, IT HAS BEEN.
UM, BUT I'M GONNA HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON THIS.
CAN YOU PUT UP C ZERO FOUR? YEAH.
LET, LET, UH, JUST STATE YOUR NAME.
HI, SALVATO, OLIVIA, THE OWNER.
AND JUST WITH RESPECT TO THE BUSINESS SCALING, HOW, HOW IT'S CHANGING.
SO IN THE SCALING OF THE BUSINESS, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE CUTTING BACK PORTIONS OF OUR RETAIL GARDEN CENTER PROPERTY, UM, UP IN THE FRONT PART OF THE, UH, LAND.
UM, GOING DOWN TO THE BINS, WE'RE GONNA BE SHORTENING THE BACKYARD AREA AND AREAS EVERYWHERE FROM MIDDLE OF THE DRIVEWAY TO THE CUL-DE-SAC.
THAT WHOLE PIECE IS APPROXIMATELY, WE MENTIONED ABOUT 33% OF THAT WHOLE ENTIRE PIECE OF LAND THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ELIMINATING OF USE OF THE NURSERY IN ORDER TO PUT THE DRIVEWAY IN THE CUL-DE-SAC INTO THAT PARCEL.
SO THAT PERCENTAGE OF THE LAND THAT WE WOULD BE STORING, UH, PLANTS AND TREES AND SO FORTH, ARE GONNA BE REDUCED SUBSTANTIALLY.
UM, THE AREAS IN THE CUL-DE-SAC IS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT THE BOARD, PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE WERE HERE, UM, FOR OTHER, UH, I REMEMBER, UH, SCREENING AND, AND MULCHING, UM, WE'RE DEDICATED FOR THOSE AREAS BECAUSE THAT AREA THERE WHERE THEIR CUL-DE-SAC IS, IS THE FARTHEST DISTANCE FROM THE WILLOWS AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY IN THE BACK.
WHEN WE DO THAT, AND AS WE DO IT, WE KEEP IT AS FAR AWAY ON THE LAND WHERE THERE'S NO, UH, PROPERTY HOUSES ON THE, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OUR NEIGHBOR.
SO THOSE AREAS THAT WE ARE WORKING THERE CURRENTLY WILL BE ELIMINATED, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE REDUCING, UH, THE OPERATION BY.
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WHAT ALL IS BEING STORED RIGHT NOW IN THOSE AREAS? YOU MENTIONED THERE'S MULCH, MULCH, MUL TREES, TOPSOIL TREES, KIND OF LIKE FERTILIZER.WHAT, WHAT DO YOU PLANT TO STORE IN THOSE? I SEE, UM, THE VENT, ALL THE BASE FREE STANDING, MODULAR BLOCK, RETAINING WALL.
WHAT DO YOU PLAN TO STORE ON THOSE? IF THERE'S
THOSE EXIST AS OF CURRENTLY TODAY, BUT THEY'RE BEING MODIFIED OF THE, BECAUSE OF WHERE THE DRIVEWAY'S COMING IN.
AND WE'RE JUST SHIFTING THEM OVER TO ALLOW THE DRIVEWAY TO PASS BY.
THE QUESTION IS WHAT KIND OF, WHAT KIND OF STUFF DO YOU PLANT TO STORE AND WHAT KIND OF
SO WHAT WE CURRENTLY STORE IS MULCH MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF COLOR MULCHES, BROWN MULCH, RED MULCH, BLACK MULCH, UH, GRAVEL SANDS, UH, ALL KINDS OF AGGREGATES.
UH, AS FAR AS TOPSOIL SCREENED AND UNSCREENED, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE SU THAT'S WHAT WE, UH, STORE IN THOSE BINS.
CURRENTLY, THEY'RE BULK MATERIAL.
AND I TAKE IT YOU GET DELIVERIES, BULK DELIVERIES FROM LARGE TRUCKS.
AND PICKUP TRUCKS OR SO AND SO FORTH.
I, I COULDN'T TELL FROM THE PLAN HOW YOU ACCESS THOSE BINS ON THAT TIMELINE.
WELL, CURRENTLY WE ACCESS THEM FROM TWO DIFFERENT NO, CURRENTLY, NO.
BUT, BUT IF THIS NEW DRIVEWAY IS GOING TO BE GOING TO THE HOMES, RIGHT.
HOW DO YOU ACCESS THE BINS IN THE FUTURE CONDITION? OUR ACCESS THAT WE ACTUALLY CURRENTLY USE TWO ACCESSES.
ONE ON THE, THE HOUSE SIDE WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS.
AND THE NURSERY SIDE, THE DRIVEWAY OF THE HOUSE IS IN NEW CURB CARMICHAEL.
THE, UH, NO, THERE'S AN EXISTING KIND OF RAMP DOWN.
THAT'S AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY WHERE THE BINS WERE, THAT GOES, GOES, GOES KIND OF DOWN THIS WAY AND THEN AROUND TO THE BINS.
HOWEVER, THAT WOULD EFFECTIVELY BE ELIMINATED.
THE ONE THAT'S ON WHERE THE DRIVEWAY'S GONNA BE GOING TO THE FUTURE DRIVEWAY.
THE ONE BY THE, AND WE'LL BE USING THE SINGLE DRIVEWAY ON THE OTHER SIDE NOW THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE BEEN USING.
THERE'S A GATE THERE, RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S A GATE.
JUST SO, AND THAT GOES RIGHT NEXT TO THE NEW HOUSE.
AND THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN USED FOR ALL THE TIME WE'VE BEEN IN OPERATION.
SO MY OTHER QUESTION, MY OTHER QUESTION IS THIS, UM, IT, IT, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? A TURNAROUND? THAT 96 CUL-DE-SAC CULDESAC.
UM, IT SEEMS ENORMOUS ON THE SITE AND I WONDER IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ANY POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE, UM, I MEAN, CAN YOU DO A HAMMERHEAD, UH, OR ANYTHING ELSE BUT A 96 FOOT? I KNOW WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS A FEW TIMES AND I HAVE THE SAME, IT'S AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF PAVEMENT.
AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS BOTH TO, YOU KNOW, TO YOU AND UH, TO HAR IS THERE ANY POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE THAN IT'S NOT A JURISDICTION? WELL, WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THE PAVEMENT, BECAUSE I NOTED ON YOUR AGENDA THAT THERE'S A SLIGHT INCREASE IN IMPERVIOUS SERVICE AND WE CAN CURE THAT.
SO THAT TO BE NO NEED FOR VARIANCE.
BUT WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS ON THE CENTER ISLAND, IS WE'LL, UH, TURN THAT INTO A GRASS AREA.
AND WHAT WE'LL HAVE IS MOUNTABLE CURBS, SHOULD IT BE NEEDED.
BUT, BUT, AND THEN I GOT THAT.
BUT LET ME, LET ME ASK A MORE BASIC QUESTION.
FOR EXAMPLE, I MEAN, THIS PROJECT WOULD WORK IF YOU JUST HAD A LITTLE DRIVE IN FRONT OF ALL FOUR HOUSES, WHICH KIND OF ENDED.
RATHER THAN THAT BIG TURNAROUND
THE, THE PROBLEM IS
IN CONSULTING WITH THE DEPUTY, UH, CHIEF DESANTIS AND MYSELF AS A FORMER BUILDING COMMISSIONER IN YONKERS, WHEN YOU HAVE THAT, UH, DRIVEWAY OF MORE THAN 150 FEET IN LENGTH THAT'S RIGHT.
IT'S REQUIRED UNDER APPENDIX B OF THE NEW YORK STATE FIRE CODE, WHICH NEW YORK STATE HAS, HAS ACCEPTED AS PART OF THE CODE.
SOME STATES HAVE NOT LIKE NEW JERSEY, IT'S OTHERS.
BUT THEY DID, UH, ACCEPT THAT, UH, APPENDIX D I'M SORRY, IT'S D, NOT B, UM, BUT ANYWAY, APPENDIX D, WHICH IS ABOUT THAT FIRE ACCESS ROAD, THAT ESSENTIALLY BECOMES THE FIRE ACCESS ROAD FOR THOSE FOUR DWELLINGS.
SO THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO ALTERNATIVE.
THERE IS A HAMMERHEAD DESIGN FOR THAT, BUT IT DOESN'T SAVE US ANYTHING.
WE LOOKED AT BOTH, AND THIS ACTUALLY LOOKS A LOT BETTER THAN THE HAMMERHEAD DESIGNED, WHICH IS ALSO PERMITTED BY THE CODE.
WE, WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD THIS ISSUE A WHOLE BUNCH OF TIMES WITH DIFFERENT FIRE DISTRICTS WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION.
WHERE EVERY TIME I AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS.
I KNOW I GO THROUGH THE WHOLE THING.
I MEAN, IF YOU CAN REDUCE SOME OF THE ASPHALT WITH
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PAVER A GOOD IDEA.WE DID RECENTLY HAVE, AND I CAN SHARE WITH YOU, THERE'S AN APPLICATION BEFORE THE BOARD AT THIS TIME FOR A 13 MONTH SUBDIVISION.
WHAT THE GENTLEMAN DID IS THE OUTER RINK FOR, I FORGET THE, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS 10 FOOT WIDTH, IS DOING PERMEABLE PAVERS.
AND THE BOARD IS FAVORABLE TO THAT.
THE FIRE DISTRICT WAS OKAY WITH THAT.
IT DOESN'T HELP WITH YOUR CALCULATIONS, UNFORTUNATELY.
'CAUSE THE CODE DOESN'T RECOGNIZE YEAH, BUT LOOKS BETTER.
DEPENDS ON THE SYSTEM THAT YOU USE.
SOME OF THE SYSTEMS THAT WE'VE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH ARE SOMEWHAT FINE, POOR, NOT REALLY THE GRIT AND AS BIG AS THE GRASS ROOT AND IT BECOMES A MAINTENANCE THING.
IF YOU DON'T MAINTAIN IT, YOU LOSE THE, UH, PERMEABILITY.
SO IT BECOMES A LITTLE MAINTENANCE.
THEY MAKE PAPERS, WHICH IS, YEAH, THEY MAKE THEM.
IT USED TO BE THAT IT BECOMES BUT DOWN.
IT'S LIKE, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THEM TOO BEFORE? UH, NO, JUST, UH, UH, JUST LOOKING AT THIS, UH, BINS AND SO WHAT SORT OF HEIGHT IT WOULD BE? SAY IF YOU'RE LOOKING FROM THE HOUSES SIDE.
SO IT'S LIKE WHAT, EIGHT FEET HIGH? THE BINS? YOU WON'T, YOU WON'T SEE THEM.
THEY'RE BELOW GRADE FROM THE HOUSE.
THEY'RE LOWER THAN, THEY'RE LOWER THAN THE DRIVE.
THEY'RE LOWER THAN THE CUL-DE-SAC.
OH, THEY'RE LOWER THAN THE CULDESAC.
SO THOSE, IT IS A RETAINING WALL.
THOSE ARE WALLS WOULDN'T SEE THE OUTSIDE OF THE WALL.
THAT WOULD BE GRADED UP TO IT.
AND WE WILL DOWN, AND WE DON'T HAVE IT HERE, BUT WE WOULD HAVE, WE HAVE A FENCE AND WE WILL ALSO BE HAVING PLANTED SHRUBS ALONG THE TOP OF THE RETAINING WALLS BIN AREA TO GIVE THE AREA PRIVACY.
DO YOU HAVE A CROSS SECTION TO IT SO IT BECOMES SAY CLEAR? HOW DOES THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? JUST SECTION TWO THAT WELL, WE HAVE SOME OH, BINS, NO CROSS SECTION.
WE DO HAVE TYPICAL SECTIONS OF WALLS THAT WE USE.
READY WALK WALLS AND VERT WALLS.
JUST A SECTION THROUGH THE SITE.
SO THAT EXPLAINS HOW THE BINS ARE.
AND SO, SO THE HOUSES ARE HIGHER.
THAN BIN THE ROAD ACTUALLY IS HIGHER AND THE THE NO, THE ROAD, THE ROAD GOES DOWN.
BUT, BUT, BUT THEN IT STARTS TO CLIMB BACK UP.
IT CLIMBS BACK UP, DOWN AND THEN CLIMBS UP A LITTLE BIT.
BUT THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA SCREEN IT ANYWHERE FROM THE BINS, SO IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
IT'LL, SO BETWEEN THE EDGE OF THE CUL-DE-SAC AND THE, THE GUIDE RAIL, ARE YOU SAYING THERE BE VEGETATION? YEAH, WE WOULD PLANT IN BETWEEN THERE WHERE THE CURSOR IS.
IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A NURSERY IN THIS AREA? YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
BECAUSE I DID HAVE A QUESTION ACTUALLY ABOUT VEGETATION.
I MEAN, I KNOW I DON'T THINK YOU'RE TAKING DOWN ANY TREES, AT LEAST WITHIN GREENBURG 'CAUSE IT'S MORE OR LESS DEVELOPED.
BUT YOU DO HAVE A, A WATERCOURSE THAT RUNS THROUGH YEAH.
AND IT'S AN OPEN CHANNEL LIKE WHERE IT SURFACES FROM THE WILLOWS AND IT'S IN THAT, YOU KNOW, 50 FOOT WIDE THE BASIN.
AND THEN IT'S PIPED THROUGH THE REST OF THE PROPERTY AND THEN OUTLETS AT THE PROPERTY LINE AND HAS CREATED A WETLAND AREA OFFSITE.
'CAUSE THERE'S A SMALL SECTION THAT'S ACTUALLY IN THE TOWN.
AND THEN THERE'S BUFFER AREA BEYOND THAT.
SO MY QUESTION IS THE HOUSES OUTSIDE OF THE BUFFER.
UM, WELL, WE CAN HAVE THEM PULL A DIMENSION.
I THINK IF WE WERE TO PULL A 100 FOOT DIMENSION OFF THIS SMALL SEGMENT.
THE HOUSE WOULD BE WITHIN, BUT AT A HIGHER ELEVATION.
BUT WHAT ALSO, WHAT HAPPENS IF THE HOUSES WITHIN OUR BUFFER, BUT THE HOUSES IN YORKERS, WHAT BUFFER? SO THEY, THEY NEED, THEY HAVE SOME SITE WORK WITHIN OUR BUFFER ANYWAY, SO WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT THEY NEED A WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT.
IT SHOULDN'T BE, MY THOUGHT IS WITH RESPECT TO POTENTIAL MITIGATION, I THINK THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, DUE TO ITS WIDTH AND YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SOME WALLS AROUND IT, IT MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT IN SOME WETLAND OR WATER LOVING TOLERANT PLANTS IN THERE TO DRESS IT UP.
ON THE WILLOWS SIDE, ON THAT WILLOW SIDE, YOU, YOU KNOW, SO LIKE THE, THE WATER PUSH RUNS THROUGH THE CENTER AND THERE ARE BANKS ON BOTH SIDES THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT VEGETATED.
COULD I JUST MAKE A GREAT SUGGESTION ALONG THE SAME LINES, MAYBE YOU CAN CONSIDER VEGETATION TO HIDE THE TRUCKS COMING IN AND OUT FROM THE HOUSES THAT YOU'RE GONNA BUILD SOME TREES.
THAT WAS WHAT WE PLANNED ON DOING.
THAT'S WHAT AARON AND I WERE, WE WERE JUST SPEAKING ABOUT.
ALONG THE TOP OF THE, UH, WALLS ALONG THE CUL-DE-SAC.
AND THEN WE WILL BE THE, THE HOUSE, I GUESS WHAT LOT IS THAT? LOT ONE THERE? THIS ONE DOWN HERE.
IN BETWEEN THERE, WE WOULD BE PUTTING SCREENING AS WELL.
SO IT'D BE GOOD TO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, IN ANOTHER ITERATION OF, OKAY.
AND WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU ON THE WETLAND PLANTINGS.
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WETLAND.UH, SO HOW DOES THAT, UH, UH, IF THERE IS A TRUCK IS DELIVERING THE MULCH OR THE GRAVELS, SO THEY COME, UH, IN, UH, IN THE SAME SORT OF, UH, DRIVEWAY YOU NO, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT, THAT IS GROWING ON HERE, WHERE THE HOUSE IS, CORRECT.
SO THE HOUSE USES THE SAME DRIVEWAY TO GO IN, CORRECT? NO, IT DOES, IT DOES.
SO THAT HOUSE, EXISTING HOUSE THE EXISTING HOUSE, YES.
WHICH IS OVER HERE ON, ON THE PLAN THAT THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN AN ENTRANCE AND EXIT ALSO AND WIDE ENOUGH TO MAKE SORT OF DO THE, THE TRUCKS.
TRUCKS AND YEAH, THEY DO IT NOW.
THEY'RE DOING, THERE'S, THERE'S A GARAGE FOR THE HOUSE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND IT, YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE PLAN I HAVE UP HERE.
SO THE, SO THEY COME IN NEXT AND YOU CAN TURN INTO THE GARAGE HERE, BUT THE TRUCK WOULD CONTINUE THIS WAY AND TO THE BACK.
SO, SO THAT'S A, THAT DRIVEWAY IS ACTUALLY GARAGE OPENS UP INTO THE GARAGE SO THAT YEAH.
AND THEN, SO, OKAY, SO THERE IS ENOUGH ROOM FOR YOUR PARKING, YOUR CAR.
AND, AND THE SORT OF, THAT ROAD IS A TO A POINT, IT'S A ASPHALT AND THEN BECOMES DOWN ROAD, OR YOU GONNA MAKE IT A NEW ROAD TO THE, TO THE BINS.
UH, SAY AGAIN? THAT'S ALL ASPHALT.
ASPHALT ALL THE WAY TO THE BEANS.
AND THEN THERE'S A TURNAROUND INTO THE OPEN AREA.
IT'S PRETTY WIDE OPEN, PRETTY WIDE OPEN LOT THERE.
I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND YOUR OPERATIONS.
IN THE BACK, THE LAST TIME I WAS OUT THERE, WHICH WAS PROBABLY A YEAR AGO OR SOMETHING, I THINK YOU HAD US OUT THERE, RIGHT? THERE WAS KIND OF LIKE A, KIND OF LIKE A CANOPY, ALMOST LIKE A TENT STRUCTURE THAT WAS OVER A
ONE OF THE BINS THAT BACKED UP TO THE, JUST FOR A DRY STORAGE.
DOES THAT STILL EXIST? YEAH, THAT'S JUST A TEMPORARY, IT'S NOT PERMANENT AND IT IS JUST FOR DRY STORAGE.
SO WHERE WE PUT, UH, MATERIAL THAT DOESN'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, IT CAN'T GET WET DURING THE DAY.
BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF SITS AT A HIGHER ELEVATION THAT MIGHT STILL BE VIEWED IN THE VIEW SHED.
SO WHEN YOU DO THE SECTION, IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO SHOW THAT.
SEE THAT? YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT.
JUST TO REMEMBER WHAT WE'RE APPROVING VERSUS WHAT YONKERS HAS TO DO.
THE HOUSES ARE NOT OUR PROBLEM.
I KNOW, BUT YOU WE'RE SCREENING ABOUT HOUSES, SCREENING THE HOUSE, THE HOUSES, LOOKING OUT FOR THE YONKERS PROBLEM.
WE HAVE ENOUGH OF OUR OWN ISSUES TO DEAL WITH.
WALTER, DO YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS? YES.
UH, DEAL WITH THE DRIVEWAY PLEASE.
THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY
UH, BECAUSE UH, WE GOT A LETTER FROM WESTCHESTER PLANNING BOARD.
WE DID TALKING ABOUT THE SIDEWALK, THE CURB ON THE SIDEWALK.
NOW I SEE ON THE PLAN CONCRETE SIDEWALK.
SO WHAT, WHAT IS, WHAT, WHAT ARE WAS THE PLANNING, WHAT THE OKAY.
SO WHAT THEY'RE REFERRING TO IS, IS THE POTENTIAL.
SO IF WE LOOK ON THE EAST SIDE OF JACKSON, ON JACKSON, ALONG JACKSON, THERE IS A CONCRETE SIDEWALK THAT RUNS IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
AND THEN, UM, TO THE EASTERN, MOST CURB CUT IN FRONT OF THE NURSERY.
BEYOND THAT GOING WESTERLY, THERE'S NO SIDEWALK.
SO IS THAT, IS THAT ON I IT'S ABOUT 20 OR 30 FEET WHERE YOU COULD POTENTIALLY BUILD A SIDEWALK.
IT'S NOT, NOT, IT'S NOT THAT MUCH.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE COUNTY WAS REFERRING.
SO EXTEND THE SIDEWALK BEYOND TO THE END OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT WITH YEAH.
ALL OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS, ALL OUR TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM.
PROCEDURALLY, NOW WE WE'RE KIND OF IN NEW, AS I UNDERSTAND THAT OBVIOUSLY YOU'VE TALKED TO YO, YOU HAVEN'T APPLIED FOR ANYTHING.
I CAN'T BECAUSE, UM, THERE'S NO ACCESS.
SO YOU HAVE TO, FIRST IT'S A CATCH 22.
SO, UH, THEY WOULD, THEY WANTED TO, UH, HAVE YEAH.
A COMMITMENT THAT THERE WAS ACCESS BEFORE BECAUSE THE LOTS CANNOT BE REAPPORTIONED IF THERE'S NO ACCESS.
UNDER THE, UNDER THE YANKS CODE.
WHAT DO WE DO? A EXPERT, WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT SEEKER IN THAT CASE? WE, WE DO IT AS A, A UNCOORDINATED REVIEW.
I, I, I THINK WE COULD DO IT AS UNCOORDINATED.
UM, I MEAN I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD BE DOING SEEKER THOUGH ON THIS PROJECT.
WELL THAT'S, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS, RIGHT? SO THERE'S NO LAND USE BOARD APPROVAL IN THE CITY OF YONKERS
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BECAUSE IT'S A LOT LINE RECONFIGURATION.OH, THERE IS A LAND USE VARIANCE HAS TO GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
NO, BUT IT HAS TO GO TO THE PLANNING BECAUSE TECHNICALLY IN ORDER FOR THAT ROAD TO APPEAR ON THE OFFICIAL CITY MAP, PRIVATE OR OTHERWISE HAS TO, IT HAS TO BE ON THE OFFICIAL CITY MAP FOR THOSE, THESE LOTS TO BE CREATED.
AND IN ORDER TO MAP THAT STREET, WE HAVE TO GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND DO UM, A SUBDIVISION, A MINOR SUBDIVISION THROUGH THAT.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S UNDER FIVE LOTS.
SO I REACHED OUT TO PLANT YONKERS PLANNING.
BECAUSE I HAVE TO PUT THAT PIECE OF ROAD ON THE MAP.
THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT LEE TOLD ME.
SO IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS UNDER FIVE LOTS BUT IT WAS ALREADY ON A ROAD, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO IT.
HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE PROCEED THOUGH? I'M CONFUSED.
I HAVE A PHONE CALL INTO THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER.
I DIDN'T HEAR BACK THIS AFTERNOON.
I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH HIM, TALK ABOUT SEEKER AND WHETHER OR NOT IT MAKES SENSE TO COORDINATE AMONGST THE AGENCIES.
WE ALSO HAVE THE TOWN OF GREENBURG ZONING BOARD, WHICH WE DIDN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT.
BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS BECAUSE THERE ARE VARIANCES REQUIRED IN CONNECTION, WHICH IF YOU HAVE A SENSE OF ANY OR ALL IT MIGHT HELP THIS BOARD.
'CAUSE THIS BOARD WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD IN CONNECTION WITH THOSE VARIANCES.
WELL I'D LIKE TO TRY TO CURE ANY THAT I CAN.
UH, THE IMPERVIOUS SERVICE ONE I CAN CURE.
IT'S THE ONLY ONE I WAS AWARE OF.
WELL, THE ONE WE NEED TO DO THAT HAVE ANY OTHERS? THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
GET THE BUILDING INSPECTOR TO LOOK AT THE PLAN.
GET HIM TO WRITE A LETTER YOU CAN HELP ME WITH.
WE HAVE A NEW BUILDING INSPECTOR.
SO WE HAD KIND OF BEEN WAITING FOR THE VARIANCE DETERMINATION MEMO, BUT THEY HAD BEEN WAITING BECAUSE THERE WAS A NEW BUILDING INSPECTOR COMING IN THAT THEY WANTED TO REVIEW IT.
SO I HAVE PLANS TO BE SITTING DOWN WITH HIM.
THIS IS WHAT I THINK WE CAN BRING YOU IN ON THAT.
THE FIRST THING WE SHOULD DO IS GO TWO THINGS.
ONE, WE SHOULD GO TO A BUILDING INSPECTOR.
FIND OUT THE, WHAT THE VARIANCES ARE.
THIS WOULD BE AN UNLISTED ACTION OR TYPE A TYPE TWO VARIANCE.
WHY WOULDN'T THIS BE 15 BY THE ZONING BRAND NEW? WE WOULD LIKE TRY TO CURE THAT.
WELL ALSO YOKER HAS TO DO NOT TO DO AVOID TO HAVE IT ZONING THEN IT'S AN UNLISTED ACTION.
'CAUSE IT'S A SUBDIVISION, RIGHT? FOR YONKERS UNDER SECRET.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT IS FOR US OR IT'S A TYPE TWO FOR US.
I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE IT'S NOT A SUBDIVISION.
WE'LL ABLE TO, WE'LL DOUBLE, DOUBLE.
BUT THERE ARE TWO WAYS WE CAN DO, WE CAN I, I'D RATHER US COORDINATE WITH THE MM-HMM.
THAT WE'RE LEANING IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION HERE.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING ON WITH YOU ON, ON IT, INCLUDING POTENTIAL VARIANCES.
BUT WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO DOING THIS.
WE DIDN'T MEET, WE DIDN'T THROW YOU OUT THE DOOR TONIGHT.
WE DID MAKE YOU GO LAST, BUT WE DIDN'T THROW YOU OUT THE DOOR.
SO, UM, WHY DON'T WE DO, WHY DON'T WE TAKE THE TEMPERATURE FIRST? I DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T MIND PUTTING THIS BACK ON FOR, FOR THE SEVENTH, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW FOR WHAT? SO I I THINK WE, YEAH, WE HAVE TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, IS THE, IS WHERE IS THE CITY STAND IN TERMS OF SEEKER AND COORDINATING.
DOES IT MAKE SENSE? IF WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO CONSIDER A LEAD AGENCY, GREENBURG PLANNING BOARD, THEN IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE YOU COME BACK BRIEFLY.
DON'T, I DON'T THINK SO ON THAT.
WE NEED TO DETERMINE THE VARIANCES.
IS THE ZONING BOARD INVOLVED? THAT'S, I REALLY NEED LIKE, TO KNOW ANY VARIANCE THAT'S FIRST TO SEE IF I COULD CURE THEM.
LET'S DO, THAT'S THAT'S FIRST.
I, MY GUESS IS BY THE TIME THAT'S DONE, WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE THE SEVENTH.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE WON'T STAY IN CONTACT WITH YONKERS.
SO YOU CAN GET YOUR PROCESS STARTED THERE.
YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE NOT ABOUT THAT AND BUT IF YOU NEED VARIANCES YOU NEED TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD, WHICH ONLY MEETS ONCE A MONTH.
AND WE, UNFORTUNATELY WE ALSO ONLY MEET ONCE IN DECEMBER AND GENERALLY MEET TWICE IN MONTH.
BUT DECEMBER IS, WE ONLY MEET ONCE.
I DON'T REALLY SEE A REASON UNLESS SOMETHING EXCITING HAPPENS BETWEEN NOW AND FRIDAY.
'CAUSE NEXT WEEK IS A SHORT WEEK.
UNLESS WE GET THE, WE HAVE THREE WEEKS.
IT'S POSSIBLE WE COULD HAVE YOU ON FOR PUBLIC.
WHAT WOULD IT BE? IT WOULD JUST BE ANOTHER WORK CONTINUATION OF A WORK.
IT WOULD, CONTINUATION OF A WORK SESSION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD.
BUT THEN WE NEED TO BE IN THE POSITION TO DO SEEKER.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD EITHER.
THEY'RE DEFINITELY NOT GONNA LEAVE
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AGENCY ON THIS.WE SHOULDN'T BE THE LEAD AGENCY.
IT SHOULD BE S IF WE DO OUR COORDINATOR WITH IT SHOULD BE RIGHT.
BUT, OR WE DO IT ON COORDINATOR SAID YOU SAID THEY DON'T WANT YOU REALLY FILING UNTIL YOU HAVE SOME PROGRESS WITH THE TOWN SOY.
WE HAVE TO SPEND MONEY DOING A SUBDIVISION AND A PLATT AND MYLAR AND, BUT AT, AT AT LEAST WE, IF AARON TALKS TO THEM AND EXPLAINS WHAT HAPPENED TONIGHT THIS EVENING.
ALL WE CAN HAVE SET UP A ZOOM WITH LEE AND OTHERS.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW I, IT'S VERY HARD FOR US TO DETERMINE WHAT, HOW WE PROCEED UNTIL WE GET THIS MAPPED OUT.
CAN I ASK YOU WHAT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH SEEKER.
WHAT DOES SEEKER MEAN? IT'S THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT.
STATE ACT ACTION BY A LANDLORD NEEDS TO, UH, BE REVIEWED UNDER THAT LAW.
THAT'S TO EVALUATE THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
THAT'S WHY WE FILLED OUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM, WHICH IS A 13 PAGE FORM THAT WE COMPLETE WHERE THE OTHER BOARD GETS TO LAND.
EVERY LAND USE DECISION HAS, IT MUST BE FOLLOWED BUT MUST BE FOLLOWED.
IT'S DONE SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH WHATEVER ELSE WE DO.
BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE A LAND DECISION WITHOUT A SECRET DETERMINATION.
JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANT WHEN YOU GUYS WERE TALKING ABOUT IT.
STATE AND ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW.
YEAH, WE CAN TALK A ABOUT THAT.
MY FINAL QUESTION IS WITH RESPECT TO THE ROADWAY, THE DRAINAGE IN THE SYSTEM DESIGNED TO PICK UP THAT ROAD.
WE TALKED EARLIER IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG THAT THE CODE SAYS 25 YEAR STORM.
CAN YOU TELL US WHAT YOU'VE DESIGNED FOR? WELL THIS, WE'RE FOLLOWING THE NEW YORK STATE STORMWATER GUIDELINES FOR THIS AND THE, IT'S DESIGNED FOR THE ONE, THE 10 IN THE HUNDRED YEAR.
WE HAVE A DETENTION SYSTEM DESIGNED, UH, TOGETHER WITH A, UM, A FILTRATION SYSTEM.
'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA NEED TO CERTAIN DO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE, IT'S A, UH, PROPRIETARY SYSTEM.
I KNOW I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THAT BEFORE.
AND THEN WE'LL DISCHARGE, IT'S GOT SOME CANISTERS FOR, UH, FOR, UH, PARTICULAR REMOVAL AND THEN THAT'LL BE DISCHARGED INTO THE EXISTING WATERCOURSE AFTER IT'S BEING DETAINED ON A SITE.
SO YEAH, WE'LL WANT TO MAYBE HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THIS BOARD'S VERY INTERESTED IN.
STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND WATER QUALITY AND HEARING ABOUT A NEW DESIGN, WHICH I'VE HEARD OF ONCE OR TWICE BEFORE.
BUT, UM, YEAH, STANDARD GIVE SOME INFORMATION ON THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, BENEFICIAL TO THE BOARD FOR THIS APPLICATION AND POTENTIALLY FOR FUTURE.
UM, I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION AND IT'S PROBABLY MORE FOR AARON AND AMANDA, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW THE ROAD OR THE DRIVEWAY HAS TO NARROW AT THE CURB BECAUSE A DRIVEWAY CAN'T BE MORE THAN 20 FEET.
WHAT IS IT? 20 FEET WIDE AND THE REST OF THE ROAD IS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO IF, IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET IT WIDER? WOULD THAT BE A VARIANCE THAT HAS TO BE REQUIRED? YES, BECAUSE IT, IT JUST FEELS LIKE A CHOKE POINT.
WAIT, IT'S, IS THAT ROAD EMERGENCY, IT'S NOT A STATE ROAD IS IT? IT'S A COUNTY.
UM, I'M SORRY, I JUST WANNA JUMP IN REAL QUICK.
I, UH, SPOKE WITH D P W ABOUT THAT.
UM, THE 20 FOOT WIDE CURB CUT THAT IS ACTUALLY NOT SOMETHING THAT A VARIANCE CAN BE OBTAINED FOR.
I DON'T THINK IT IS A REQUIREMENT FROM D P W.
UM, IT'S ESSENTIALLY SET IN STONE.
UM, THE LAW WOULD HAVE TO BE CHANGED TO ALLOW THAT.
UH, NO VARIANCE CAN BE PAID FOR IT.
A TOWN, IT'S A COUNTY ROAD THOUGH, SO I THAT LIKE IT.
IT'S NOT
WHAT JACKSON AVENUE'S A TOWN ROAD ROAD THOUGH? NO, THE COUNTY.
THE COUNTY LEY ROAD OR PORTIONS OF IT WERE COUNTY ROAD BENEDICT AVENUE.
WE'D HAVE A CHANCE WE GO TO D O T AND IT'S NOT UPSTATE AND GET AWAY
YOU DON'T WANT ANY PART OF D O T.
AND THANK YOU MATT FOR HELPING US.
HE'S A GOOD GUY BEHIND THE SCENES.
JUST SO THAT'S A WE KNOW HE'S GOOD.
SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP HIM FOR THE TIME BEING.
I'M SORRY, UH, MAR, WE'RE GONNA KEEP HIM FOR THE TIME BEING
I HEARD HE WANTS TO MOVE DOWN TO THE CAROLINA SOMEWHERE.
SO WE'LL COORDINATE ME FIRST THINGS FIRST.
SETTING UP WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, THE NEW BUILDING INSPECTOR.
MAYBE WE'LL PULL YOU IN SO THAT SURE.
WE CAN ALL TALK AND HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION AND THEN COORDINATION WITH THE CITY.
AND THEN WE'LL BE IN TOUCH TOMORROW.
WE'LL FIGURE OUT THE GAME PLAN FROM THEN.
ARE YOU GOING TO KIND OF DO ANYTHING EXISTING? MIKE? MIKE.